A: Okay , so
A: now we are on the conceptual design meeting .
A: Uh y getting close to the last
D: Mm-hmm .
A: is the penultim meeting .  D: B: How was lunch ? D: Thanks A: Mm great . C:   D: Don't be sarcastic . Mark . A: So um
A: I will again do the secretary part
A: uh we will have three presentation first um uh the industrial design , first Rama then Mark and then Sammy .
D: Uh Rama .
C: Ramaro .
A: Um um we have to take a decision on the control remote control concepts
A: and we have forty minutes .
B: Mm .
A: So
A: what we want to A: the decision we want to take on this meeting are on the um first on the component concept , so what kind of energy we use uh what kind of chip on print and one ki kind of case .
A: And also on user interface concept uh what kind of interface we use and if there is some supplements .
A: And at the end um Sammy will give um a trend watching on what he's he's been doing .
A: It's A: So ,
A: let's go .
A: First with Rama .
A: Participant two .
C: Yeah , participant two .
C: Component .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: Yep .
A: C: So
C: we're to mainly design f mainly need to know which components we'll use for energy , and the material and interface .
C: For energy there are maybe two or three possibilities .
C: First one , we can use simple battery ,
C: or we can use traditional solar cells
C: or C: mm and the material we can have plastic ,
C: rubber which is good for this R_S_A_
D: Ah .
C: and then uh titanium , which can be which have very good look
C: an and then interface we're to use push buttons or liquid crystal d L_C_D_ display .
C: And we can use some , moving kind of thing .
C: So ,
C: as we discussed before ,
C: we need to C: we would like to have some speech recognition s chip in our remote control .
C: So
C: this can be simple kind of programmable chip
C: and C: which can use microphone sensors .
C: And we also want to look at our remote control ,
C: so .
C: Still we are looking for possible uh technical uh specifications and how w easy we can do and within our pri range , like we're to in our twelve Euros or around that .
C: So we are looking for simple devices or simple technology to do the location of remote control in a room or in a house .
A: Mm-hmm , okay .
C: So uh
C: we discussed an C: Excuse me .
C: So
C: we would like to propose battery instead of solar cells
C: and it would be problematic uh to have enough energy with the solar cells
D: Mm-hmm .
C: and so we would like to just use simple battery .
C: And also we want to go for titanium design instead of rubber or C: and
C: well
C: the problem is with this design we found that we can't use double-curved shapes .
D: What is a double-curved shape ?
C: Like you can have two curves .
D: Uh-huh .
B: Why ?
C: Uh it's I think in manufacturing I guess it's problematic .
C: So ,
C: we want to go for simple push buttons
C: because it need a simple chip
C: and it's really lesser uh re really less expensive compared to L_C_D_
D: C: which are
C: uh which needs advanced chip technology
C: and it's more expensive ,
C: since we want to put some other features such as speech recognition
B: Mm-hmm .
D: C: we want to reduce uh cost .
A: Um I want to know why it b uh just uh sorry but for the point before uh why not the rubber , if it is something that it seems to be light .
D: The cost .
C: Uh Uh And also like in if you put a it's be difficult to do all the moulding of buttons and these things
A: Okay .
C: and A: You m titanium it's more uh C: Yeah .
B: W we can use something like you know the whole body's titanium
B: but there are some rubber or I dunno some rubber parts
B: like
D: Mm like this ?
C: Yeah .
A: Yes so mm B: to make it feel better
B: and to
B: you know C: Like in cell phones recently
D: Mm-hmm .
C: these you can with the rubber in four directions and B: Yeah . Yeah .
A: Uh-huh .
A: Okay . C: yeah .
C: But full assembly We'll use mainly for titanium A: Okay .
C: rubber is expensive
A: Okay .
C: and also it's bit difficult to do all the shapes uh .
A: Okay .
C: And this push buttons
A: Uh yeah so
C: we we would like to use push buttons instead of L_C_D_s
C: and so we want to mo
C: I mean we're we want to put speech recognition
C: so we want to reduce price on this technology
C: and so that we can have enough space or enough money
A: Okay , s so
A: simple button and uh speech recognition for the more complicated .
C: for C: S S
D: Speech C: Y yeah we have simple buttons and speech recognition technology ,
B: Mm-hmm .
A: Okay .
B: Okay ,
C: so B: and still we have B: mm can we still include the L_ L_S_D_ display ?
D: L_C_D_ .
B: L_C_D_ yeah L_C_D_ .
C: Uh l
D: Seems not ,
D: it's either L_C_D_ or push-button .
C: So uh
C: it's like a B: No ,
B: it's not gonna be a t no touchable
B: but still like a source of information or source for menus .
D: Ah .
C: Yeah
C: maybe maybe we can see depending on how we'll come up with our full design
C: then if we have enough money or like for and B: Okay ,
B: so let's try it ,
C: because the speech recognition technology will take at least five Euros or or something
B: let's t
C: so we want to reduce the cost on display
D: The L_C_D_ would C: or this inter
D: The display would only be display and not uh touch sensitive you mean .
B: Yeah , yeah ,
B: it's it's not gonna be a touch pad , uh just a display for giving you information .
D: Just uh for output ,
D: yeah .
D: Yeah .
C: Ok Yeah , that can we we can consider ,
A: Mm-hmm .
C: because like it won't take much money I guess ,
B: Mm-hmm .
C: because A: Okay .
C: Okay , yep .
A: Mm .
C: You have any further questions
C: or ?
D: I guess no
D: um . So
D: the batteries uh are going to be very light .
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah ,
C: we're to go for li
C: and now I think we have many options in the market
C: so we can go for small nickel or alkaline batteries
D: Okay .
B: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .
C: for really light batteries and with uh good price .
D: So
D: this device on n that can be used for speech recognition could also be used for just uh the finding it basically ,
D: instead of clapping why not just be ask .
C: Yeah ,
C: that's C: then the the one thing we want to know is like
C: because remote control is used for like in the household
C: so it it it will be it m maybe at least five , six people want to use it
C: so so how to uh uh how to define our re speech recognition
D: Mm-hmm .
C: whether we want to do s speaker independent or speaker dependent .
C: If we're going for more speaker independent then it would be like again cumbersome
C: and we need really m more technology
C: and so A: Okay ,
A: for the location .
C: Yeah ,
C: if if everybody in the house n to locate then we're to go for some speaker independent technology or something .
A: Hmm .
D: Okay . A: Okay . So
A: let's now go to the C: A: you don't have more question ?
D: No , it's okay .
B: No more questions .
A: Um mm thank you mm .
C: Yep .
C: Thank you .
D: Puts less of constraint on what we can do
D: but
B: Mm yeah , yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: it's always like that .
D: We have dreams
D: and the in the end we find out that it's not feasible . A: Yeah , but mm .
C: Oh . We have uh some limitations . D: Anyway .
D: Yeah .
B: But still uh L_S_D_'s already quite nice ,
D: L_C_D_ .
D: L_S_D_ is something else ,
A: Okay . B: L_C_ C:  D: and it's quite nice as well . B: I'm an artist ,
B: sorry . D: So ,
B: So uh ,
B: that's not A: Um yeah .
D: go on uh artist . B: I hope that's not too much .
A: Now let's talk about uh interface .
B: Okay . Uh
B: participant number three .
A: Three .
C: Three .
B: Uh
A: Which one ? C: D: Hmm . B: mm mm uh have a look at this C: A: B: no it's B: yeah .
A: Okay .
B: Uh so
B: the concept of the interface .
B: Generally I developed quite a broad concept not only for the interface , but for possible instruction or user's manual and uh all the complex things that come together with your T_V_ and remote controls .
B: So let's start with this .
B: We got our perfect remote control with a lot of buttons
D:   C: B: and uh we got explanation for every button
B: and you can use your time and uh it will take i some days to learn all this buttons