Industrial Designer: Um so um for the energy sources we can have a basic battery , a hand dynamo which is which was used uh in the fifties for torches , if you remember that kind of which wouldn't be v wouldn't be v v
Project Manager: I don't think any of us remember the fifties .
User Interface: Is it like a crank thing or something .
Industrial Designer: yeah , yeah . It wouldn't be very fancy .
Marketing: Industrial Designer: You can have a kinetic provision of energy , which is used on some watches these days . So if you have just a bit of gentle movement that it will give it the energy to work .
Marketing: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Or you can use solar cells , but I'm not sure about that indoors , really , but User Interface: Well , there's sometimes combinations , I mean , like calculators do combinations of battery with but also using some solar power .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Do sol solar panel things , do they have to work from the sun or can they work from a light bulb ?
Marketing: Mm .
Project Manager: Does anybody know ?
Industrial Designer: I dunno actually .
User Interface: Uh I think , it has to be on the on the solar energy , but I don't know .
Industrial Designer: I dunno . Um . Think the the uh what would cost the less would be the basic battery , really .
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: And uh if we want something fancier , I think the kinetic provision of energy could be nice ,
Marketing: Mm .
Industrial Designer: but I don't know if it's worth the cost . So we've got to discuss that .
Project Manager: Mm . Okay , jolly good .
Industrial Designer: For the case of the remotes itself , um they can be a general case , which is just a flat one . You can have uh a curved one or a double curved one , if you know what I mean , so Project Manager: What's a double curved one ?
Industrial Designer: You know , kind of more ergonomic , that kind of suits the palm of your hand , that kind of thing .
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: So  Um then the case material itself , so it can be uh uh either plastic or latex , uh rubber , wood , or titanium . And th for each of them you have uh cases where for example titanium , you can't use it for if you if we're choosing a double curved case , we can't choose titanium . And if we are choosing um solar cells then we can't choose latex for the case material , so we just have to take that into account . But if we're choosing just the flat case then we can go for anything . And I think we discussed earlier on the R_ S_ I_ problem thing , so we could uh Project Manager: So that might be an idea of using the rubber ,
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: but then it should , you know User Interface: Let's have a squeezable remote . Project Manager: yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . And also it doesn't break as easily maybe ,
Project Manager: when a T_V_ programme's got one Industrial Designer: I dunno User Interface: Project Manager: watching the match and your team's just lost , you can fuzz it across the room and it'll bounce off the wall back at you .
Industrial Designer: User Interface: Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah , I like that idea .
Marketing: Mm .
Industrial Designer: So rubber would be Okay .
Marketing: I think rubber's Project Manager: Rubber , we're all we're all going we're all liking that idea ? You think you can market that ?
Marketing: But after my after my fashion thing , I think you'll realise that rubber is more Project Manager: Ooh , we like rubber , ooh . Industrial Designer: Uh s so if d
Marketing: People . Industrial Designer: okay . And then there are the push-buttons , so you can have basic push-buttons or a scroll-wheels , like you have on a mouse , um or you could have um L_C_D_ , which gives you a display . Um scroll buttons , as well .
Project Manager: Uh-huh .
Industrial Designer: So if you use a rubber double curved case , you must use rubber push-buttons . So if we're going for rubber then we have to decide for the case . Um and if we choose double curved then we have to go for rubber push-buttons .
Project Manager: Well , we're gonna go with I think we've decided that it's gonna be a rubber case so Industrial Designer: So it's a constraint . Yeah , but is it a double curved one or not ? If it's not a double curved , then we've got the choice for the push-buttons , if it's a double curve , we've gotta go for rubber push-buttons . If that makes sense .
Project Manager: push buttons instead of the wheel ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah . .
User Interface: If it's rubber , isn't it malleable anyway , it doesn't matter if it's double I mean isn't a rubber case , mean it's completely flexed , I mean , it it flexes to whatever they want it to ? Mean so what's the difference between a normal rubber case and a rubble doub double rubber double curved case ? Project Manager: rubble double double . Industrial Designer: No , but na le you see , you've got , okay , the energy that's one thing ,
Project Manager: I'll have a Big Mac , please . Industrial Designer: then you have the case is uh , whether it's flat or curved . And that's  we don't care if it's rub rubber or not , but then we've decided that we going for rubber for the case material . So if we've chosen rub rubber and if now we have the choice for the case whether it's flat , single curved or double curved . And I'm just saying if it if we choose it to be double curved then we need to go I dunno why , but we need to go for uh rubber push-buttons . So , either User Interface: Okay .
Industrial Designer: I dunno we just need to decide on the on the case .
Project Manager: Let's have rubber push buttons , hey .
User Interface: Okay . Go rubber . Go rubber the whole way .
Industrial Designer: Let's go crazy . And then , do I have a last slide ? Yes , I do . Um so the push-buttons themselves they can be just simple or they can be so that's just the electronics between the but behind the push-buttons .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Um and the price that go with it with it , so the simple push-buttons are gonna be the cheapest . Uh if we get a scroll-wheel , that's a higher price range . If we get an advanced chip which is um used for the L_C_D_ , the display thing , then that's even more expensive .
Project Manager: Simple , yeah . Chip on print . It's a bit . Okay , uh what I'm not understanding here
Industrial Designer: Mm .
Project Manager: is uh , okay , advanced chip on print , which I presume is like one P_C_B_ and that's got all the electronics on one board including the um infra-red sender ?
Industrial Designer: . Yeah .
Marketing: Industrial Designer: The infra-red . Yeah .
Project Manager: Right . Um what a what alternatives do we have to that ? Y um what alternatives do we have to the chip on print ?
Industrial Designer: Well , if if it's not chip on print then , I guess , you get different chip components , and you build them separately and doesn't include the infra-red . It's less expensive mm Project Manager: so it sounds Industrial Designer: Technically speaking , it's not as advanced , but it does the job , too . Project Manager: So , why would we not go for that ? If it's something that's inside the the unit . I it doesn't affects whether the customer's gonna buy it or not .
Industrial Designer: Fo It doesn't , yeah , yeah , yeah . Totally . Yeah .
Project Manager: Um we wanna go for an i i all Industrial Designer: So let's not go for the Project Manager: so long as it works ,
Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah . I agree .
Project Manager: you know . So let's not let's uh not bother with the chip on print .
Industrial Designer: So it's either um the scroll-wheel or the push-buttons .
Project Manager: Yeah . S yeah , push buttons .
Marketing: What about the just developed uh sample sensor ?
User Interface: I think push-buttons is Project Manager: What about what ?
Marketing: G there , the sample sensor , sample speaker thing .
Industrial Designer: Well Project Manager: Well , what do we need a speaker for in a remote control unit ?
Marketing: Mm , I dunno . Be cool .
Industrial Designer: It'd be it'd be cool , but they are saying they've just developed it ,
User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: Channel two . Industrial Designer: I'm just guessing . But it's gonna be the most expensive option , probably and Project Manager: S
User Interface: Th the the speech recognition um option is it doesn't seem really very promising for us uh ,
Project Manager: Yeah . It's not something that we wanna t go into with this product .
User Interface: 'cause uh The yeah the example that they're already using it for is with the coffee machine , where , basically , you can program a sample wi um That when you say something it will give a response , and you program the response as well . Just uh clips of tha that you record yourself . So you can program your coffee-maker that when you say , good morning , to it it says , hello Rick , or whatever .
Project Manager: Yeah . User Interface: But , I mean , it's not Industrial Designer: Hm .
User Interface: it would be one thing if it was speech recognition where you say something and it turns the T_V_ on like , turn the T_V_ on , and i turns comes on , but it's not that . It just gives you a it just gives you a verbal response .
Marketing: Oh , it just gives an answer .
User Interface: So , yeah , I mean , like what's the point of saying , Hello remote , I mean , hello , how how are you ? Marketing: Oh , then then Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah . Industrial Designer: Just if you are really lonely , maybe . Marketing: I thought I thought it was when they said User Interface: Yeah , if you're really lonely , it is it's Marketing: I thought when they said , voice recognition , they meant um like ,
Industrial Designer: Channel five . And then it switches on .
Marketing: channel five , and it will change .
User Interface: No , tha that w that w that would be more promising .
Marketing: Like you talk to it . Can I have channel five ?
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: User Interface: It it's just a remote that talks to you .
Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .
User Interface: Uh . I mean to certain cues .
Marketing: Oh , then forget about it . Oh right okay .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Okay , so I'll go back , maybe , to the previous slide and we can decide for each problem , what we should choose . So for the energy source , do we go for the battery or the User Interface: 'Kay . Yeah , I'm fine with the basic battery .
Project Manager: Basic battery .
Marketing: Mm .
Project Manager: It's cheap , it's cheerful , it's worked , does work .
User Interface: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: Cheaper option . Are you happy with that ?
Marketing: Mm . Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Okay . So we'll go for the battery . Then the case , do you want it flat or curved or sing or double curved ?
Project Manager: We were go we were going with the late with the the R_S_I_ rubber , weren't we ?
User Interface: Yeah , so we want it rub rubber double curved . Project Manager: The the   Marketing: So it will look like something like this .
Industrial Designer: Double ?
Project Manager: The double whopper , please .
Industrial Designer: Okay , so then if we use double curved case , then we have to u choose rubber push-buttons ,
Project Manager: Yep , but we're going for the simple buttons .
User Interface: So rubber rubber keys , yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: and that's fine ?
Project Manager: And it's cheapest all round , it sounds kinda funky , and we can also market it
Industrial Designer: P
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: as i 'cause we were s saying earl you were saying earlier in your research that um the the people have the R_ people were getting the complaining about R_S_I_ , and this is anti-R_S_I_ .
Marketing: .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: So that's another marketing point that we can use .
Marketing: Well the rubber push-buttons . Don't you have to move your Project Manager: But anything is gonna have buttons .
Marketing: Mm .
Project Manager: Even if it's a jog wheel , it's still repetitive . You Industrial Designer: I thought they would give an option of flat buttons or a Project Manager: You see , you can still get it does you still get repetitive strain injury , whether you are pressing a button or pressing a flat bit of screen .
Industrial Designer: That they don't . Project Manager: It's the v it's the fact that you are pressing the same doing the same movement .
Industrial Designer: Mm .
User Interface: .
Project Manager: It's not actually what you are doing .
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: But the fact that this this rubber i is actually used in these anti-R_S_I_ ps specific Marketing: Mm .
User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah , the rubber's good .
User Interface: We're giving them a way to burn off steam , basically , yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah , so they can sit there and go like User Interface: Not that watching T_V_ should be that stressful .
Project Manager: And you know , yeah , you can fuzz it across the room and throw it at throw it at your children yeah .
Marketing: User Interface: Oh yeah , I guess T_V_ can be stressful , yeah , if you're watching sports .
Marketing: Industrial Designer: Alright , that's me done .

Summary: They discussed the energy source, which can be a basic battery, a hand dynamo, a kinetic provision of energy like that on watches, or a combination of battery and solar power. Each kind of energy source has its own advantages and disadvantages. The basic battery costs less, and the kinetic provision of energy could be cooler and fancier. Regarding the design of the case, Industrial Designer claimed that it could be a general fact one, a curved one or a double curved one which is more ergonomic. Concerning the material of the case, Industrial Designer claimed that it could be plastic, latex, rubber, wood or titanium. At last they decided that the control is going to be a double curved rubber case, with rubber push-buttons and basic battery.