D: Oh right okay .
D: I cover myself up . A: I feel like Madonna with one of these on .
A: I said I feel like Madonna with one of these on . B: D: .
A: D: I've always wanted one of these , I really have .
D: Where do you buy 'em from ? D: They're .
A: C: D: A: Right . Hello everybody .
C: Hello .
B: .
A: Back again for another wonderful meeting .
D: A: Is uh everyone ready ?
C: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
B: Almost . A: Okay ,
A: we c we can hold on for a minute .
D: D: Oh my gosh .
D:   A: I figured with the spam thing , if you can't beat it , join in . D: C: C: That's the kind of spam that everybody likes to receive .
D: D: D: B: Mm 'kay .
A: Are you ready ?
A: Okay , right , well ,
A: I take it that you are all ready now .
D: A: Um alright first off we'll just uh recap from our last meeting .
A: Um which was we got together just to basically decide on well to talk about what it is that we were actually uh supposed to be doing ,
D: A: and who we all are and stuff like that ,
A: mm get bit more of an idea together of what's going on .
A: Um what we are gonna talk about in this meeting is um
A: now that we know what it is that we are doing , now we know that it's a T_V_ remote and stuff
A: and you guys have just been off doing some some uh R_ and D_ for that ,
A: that's research and development for those that haven't heard that before ,
D: Mm-hmm .
C: A: see I'm learning all sorts of new technologi terms in technology today .
A: Um yeah , we're gonna hear your uh th three little presentations ,
D: A: whether they be on computer or on the whiteboard or whatever you want .
C: Hmm .
C: Do you have any preference uh of order ?
A: Um I'd like to um hear
D: A: o I'd like to hear who's g who's on the um from from uh Catherine actually first .
A: I want A: what I'd like to hear about is uh if we've finally decided on um what sort of energy we're gonna be using and
B: D: Batteries .
C: I think she is still finishing her . B: No no no no , it's fine I'm just preparing .
A: It's just that A: yeah , let's let's hear from you first .
C: Hmm .
B: Okay .
B: Where is that thing ?
C: Okay , it's uh  D: It's here .
B: Oh sorry , couldn't see .
D: B: Would that work ?
A: Get yourself in position . B: Okay , so that's me again .
D: Ah .
B: Um so um for the energy sources we can have a basic battery ,
B: a hand dynamo which is which was used uh in the fifties for torches ,
B: if you remember that kind of B: which wouldn't be v wouldn't be v v
A: I don't think any of us remember the fifties .
C: Is it like a crank thing or something .
B: yeah , yeah .
B: It wouldn't be very fancy .
D: B: You can have a kinetic provision of energy ,
B: which is used on some watches these days .
B: So if you have just a bit of gentle movement that it will give it the energy to work .
D: Mm .
B: Or you can use solar cells ,
B: but I'm not sure about that indoors , really , but C: Well , there's sometimes combinations , I mean , like calculators do combinations of battery with but also using some solar power .
B: Yeah .
A: Do sol solar panel things , do they have to work from the sun or can they work from a light bulb ?
D: Mm .
B: I dunno actually .
A: Does anybody know ?
C: Uh I think , it has to be on the on the solar energy , but I don't know .
B: I dunno .
B: Um .
B: Think the the uh what would cost the less would be the basic battery , really .
A: Okay .
D: Mm .
B: And uh if we want something fancier , I think the kinetic provision of energy could be nice ,
B: but I don't know if it's worth the cost .
B: So we've got to discuss that .
A: Mm .
A: Okay , jolly good .
B: For the case of the remotes itself , um they can be a general case , which is just a flat one .
B: You can have uh a curved one or a double curved one ,
B: if you know what I mean , so A: What's a double curved one ?
B: You know , kind of more ergonomic , that kind of suits the palm of your hand , that kind of thing .
B: So A: Okay .
B: Um then the case material itself , so it can be uh uh either plastic or latex , uh rubber , wood , or titanium .
B: And th for each of them you have uh cases where for example titanium , you can't use it for if you if we're choosing a double curved case , we can't choose titanium .
B: And if we are choosing um solar cells then we can't choose latex for the case material ,
B: so we just have to take that into account .
B: But if we're choosing just the flat case then we can go for anything .
B: And I think we discussed earlier on the R_ S_ I_ problem thing , so we could uh A: So that might be an idea of using the rubber ,
B: Yeah .
A: but then it should , you know C: Let's have a squeezable remote . A: yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: And also it doesn't break as easily maybe ,
B: I dunno A: when a T_V_ programme's got one C: A: watching the match and your team's just lost , you can fuzz it across the room and it'll bounce off the wall back at you .
C: B: D: Yeah .
A: Yeah , I like that idea .
D: Mm .
B: So rubber would be Okay .
D: I think rubber's A: Rubber , we're all we're all going we're all liking that idea ?
A: You think you can market that ?
D: But after my after my fashion thing , I think you'll realise that rubber is more B: Uh s so if d
A: Ooh , we like rubber , ooh . D: People . B: okay .
B: And then there are the push-buttons ,
B: so you can have basic push-buttons or a scroll-wheels , like you have on a mouse ,
B: um or you could have um L_C_D_ , which gives you a display .
B: Um scroll buttons , as well .
A: Uh-huh .
B: So if you use a rubber double curved case , you must use rubber push-buttons .
B: So if we're going for rubber then we have to decide for the case .
B: Um and if we choose double curved then we have to go for rubber push-buttons .
B: So it's a constraint .
A: Well , we're gonna go with I think we've decided that it's gonna be a rubber case so B: Yeah , but is it a double curved one or not ?
B: If it's not a double curved , then we've got the choice for the push-buttons ,
B: if it's a double curve , we've gotta go for rubber push-buttons .
B: If that makes sense .
A: push buttons instead of the wheel ?
B: Yeah . .
C: If it's rubber , isn't it malleable anyway ,
C: it doesn't matter if it's double C: I mean isn't a rubber case , mean it's completely flexed , I mean , it it flexes to whatever they want it to ?
C: Mean so what's the difference between a normal rubber case and a rubble doub double rubber double curved case ? A: rubble double double . B: No , but na le you see , you've got , okay , the energy that's one thing ,
A: I'll have a Big Mac , please . B: then you have the case is uh , whether it's flat or curved .
B: And that's  B: we don't care if it's rub rubber or not ,
B: but then we've decided that we going for rubber for the case material .
B: So if we've chosen rub rubber and if now we have the choice for the case whether it's flat , single curved or double curved .
B: And I'm just saying if it if we choose it to be double curved then we need to go B: I dunno why ,
B: but we need to go for uh rubber push-buttons .
C: Okay .
B: So , either B: I dunno
B: we just need to decide on the on the case .
A: Let's have rubber push buttons , hey .
C: Okay .
C: Go rubber . Go rubber the whole way .
B: Let's go crazy .
B: And then , do I have a last slide ?
B: Yes , I do .
B: Um so the push-buttons themselves they can be just simple or they can be B: so that's just the electronics between the but behind the push-buttons .
A: Yeah .
B: Um and the price that go with it with it ,
B: so the simple push-buttons are gonna be the cheapest .
B: Uh if we get a scroll-wheel , that's a higher price range .
B: If we get an advanced chip which is um used for the L_C_D_ , the display thing , then that's even more expensive .
A: A: Simple , yeah .
A: Chip on print . It's a bit .
A: A: Okay , uh what I'm not understanding here
B: Mm .
A: is uh , okay , advanced chip on print , which I presume is like one P_C_B_ and that's got all the electronics on one board including the um infra-red sender ?
B: .
B: Yeah .
D: B: The infra-red .
B: Yeah .
A: Right .
A: Um what a what alternatives do we have to that ?
A: Y um A: what alternatives do we have to the chip on print ?
B: Well , if if it's not chip on print then , I guess , you get different chip components , and you build them separately and doesn't include the infra-red .
B: It's less expensive mm A: so it sounds B: Technically speaking , it's not as advanced , but it does the job , too . A: So , why would we not go for that ?
A: If it's something that's inside the the unit . I it doesn't affects whether the customer's gonna buy it or not .
B: Fo
B: It doesn't , yeah , yeah , yeah .
B: Totally .
B: Yeah .
A: Um we wanna go for an i i all B: So let's not go for the A: so long as it works ,
B: Yeah , yeah . I agree .
A: you know .
A: So let's not let's uh not bother with the chip on print .
B: So it's either um the scroll-wheel or the push-buttons .
A: Yeah .
A: S yeah , push buttons .
D: What about the just developed uh sample sensor ?
C: I think push-buttons is A: What about what ?
D: G there , the sample sensor , sample speaker thing .
B: Well A: Well , what do we need a speaker for in a remote control unit ?
D: Mm , I dunno .
D: Be cool .
B: It'd be it'd be cool , but they are saying they've just developed it ,
D: Channel two . C: Yeah .
B: I'm just guessing . But it's gonna be the most expensive option , probably and A: S
C: Th the the speech recognition um option is it doesn't seem really very promising for us uh ,
A: Yeah .
C: 'cause uh A: It's not something that we wanna t go into with this product .
C: The yeah the example that they're already using it for is with the coffee machine ,
C: where , basically , you can program a sample wi um That when you say something it will give a response ,
C: and you program the response as well .
C: Just uh clips of tha that you record yourself .
C: So you can program your coffee-maker that when you say , good morning , to it it says , hello Rick , or whatever .
A: Yeah . C: But , I mean , it's not C: it would be one thing if it was speech recognition where you say something and it turns the T_V_ on like , turn the T_V_ on , and i turns comes on ,
B: Hm .
C: but it's not that .
C: It just gives you
D: Oh , it just gives an answer .
C: a it just gives you a verbal response .
C: So , yeah , I mean , like what's the point of saying , Hello remote , I mean , hello , how how are you ? D: Oh , then then A: Yeah .
A: Yeah . D: I thought I thought it was when they said B: Just if you are really lonely , maybe . C: Yeah , if you're really lonely , it is it's D: I thought when they said , voice recognition , they meant um like ,
B: Channel five . And then it switches on .
D: channel five , and it will change .
C: No ,
C: tha that w that w that would be more promising .
D: Like you talk to it .
D: Can I have channel five ?
A: Yeah .
C: It it's just a remote that talks to you .
B: C: Uh . I mean to certain cues .
D: Oh , then forget about it .
A: Yeah . Yeah .
D: Oh right okay .
A: Yeah .
B: Okay , so I'll go back , maybe , to the previous slide
B: and we can decide for each problem , what we should choose .
B: So for the energy source , do we go for the battery or the C: 'Kay .
C: Yeah , I'm fine with the basic battery .
A: Basic battery .
D: Mm .
A: It's cheap , it's cheerful , it's worked , does work .
C: Hmm .
B: Cheaper option .
B: Are you happy with that ?
D: Mm .
D: Yeah .
B: Okay . So we'll go for the battery .
B: Then the case , do you want it flat or curved or sing or double curved ?
A: We were go we were going with the late with the the R_S_I_ rubber , weren't we ?
C: Yeah ,
C: so we want it rub rubber double curved . A: The the   D: So it will look like something like this .
B: Double ?
A: The double whopper , please .
B: Okay , so then if we use double curved case , then we have to u choose rubber push-buttons ,
A: Yep ,
A: but A: we're going for the simple buttons .
C: So rubber rubber keys , yeah .
A: Yeah .
B: and that's fine ?
A: And it's cheapest all round ,
A: it sounds kinda funky ,
A: and we can also market it
B: P
C: Yeah .
A: as i 'cause we were s saying earl
A: you were saying earlier in your research that um the the people have the R_ people were getting the complaining about R_S_I_ , and this is anti-R_S_I_ .
D: .
D: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
A: So that's another marketing point that we can use .
D: Well the rubber push-buttons . Don't you have to move your A: But anything is gonna have buttons .
D: Mm .
A: Even if it's a jog wheel , it's still repetitive .
B: I thought they would give an option of flat buttons or a A: You A: You see , you can still get it does you still get repetitive strain injury , whether you are pressing a button or pressing a flat bit of screen .
B: That they don't . A: It's the v it's the fact that you are pressing the same doing the same movement .
C: .
B: Mm .
A: It's not actually what you are doing .
B: A: But the fact that this this rubber i is actually used in these anti-R_S_I_ ps specific D: Mm .
D: Yeah , the rubber's good .
C: Yeah .
C: We're giving them a way to burn off steam , basically , yeah .
A: Yeah .
D: Yeah , so they can sit there and go like C: Not that watching T_V_ should be that stressful .
A: And you know , yeah , you can fuzz it across the room and throw it at throw it at your children yeah .
D: C: Oh yeah , I guess T_V_ can be stressful , yeah , if you're watching sports .
D: B: Alright , that's me done .
C: Alright .
A: Okay , Gabriel . Let's um let's let's hear from you about the um it's the interface .
C: Alright .
C: Yeah , some of what I have to say ties into what Catherine was just talking about .
A: Great .
B: Sorry .
C: Okay , so I'm continuing with the user interface uh topic .
C: And so basically I consulted with our manufacturing division .
C: It sounded like Catherine was also speaking with them .
C: Uh I also took uh Reissa's marketing findings from the last meeting into consideration um ,
C: 'cause I think that's that's crucial as far as uh what keys we're going to inc inclu what buttons we are going to include and and how they're laid out .
A: Mm .
C: Uh and so the manufacturing division uh sent some some samples of of uh interface components that we might be interested in using that have been used in other products , uh like the coffee machine .
C: So I already mentioned the speech recognition interface .
D: C: I guess , we we basically vetoed that idea .
C: It's it's pointless .
A: Mm .
C: Uh it's just a sample sensor sample output .
C: It would just be probably the most expensive part of our remote without any actual interesting functionality as far as operating the T_V_ .
C: Uh so yeah , they they also give the uh C: they they suggested the idea of using a spinning wheel like you use on the side of an M_P_ three player like iPod .
D: Mm .
A: Mm .
C: Um so we've already addressed that
C: and I think that would actually be worse for something like R_S_I_
C: I mean you got that thumb movement that you're constantly doing .
A: Yeah .
D: Mm .
D: That does get annoying .
C: Um the other suggestion ,
C: and I I have a feeling that
C: we're interested in in something more general ,
C: but they suggested uh , you know , going i a little bit into a a niche ,
C: like either gearing our remote towards kids ,
C: where you could have lot of colours um , the keys might be you know , funny or or ,
C: or uh something for the elderly , where the remote's very large and the buttons are very large and there's only a few buttons .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: But you know we can we can discuss this ,
C: but it sounded like from our last meeting we really wanted something that was general , but done well .
C: Uh um A: Yeah .
C: So , the key layout and design are really crucial .
C: You don't want uh
C: you want people to be able to quickly access the buttons that they use a lot without uh always pressing the wrong one um .
C: And I didn't mention that we need a power button in our last C: I can give you an example here of uh , good layout and bad layout
B: C: uh
C: from our manufacturing department .
C: So this would be an example of bad layout ,
C: where you have volume up and volume down , but they have a V_ on both of them , so uh
A: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: it's sort of confusing for the user .
C: Uh this is the example of the giant remote that's impossible to lose .
A: Do we have an uh example of a good one ?
A:  Brilliant .
D: Uh-huh .
B: D: Well C: And for something for kids .
C: Yeah . Um .
A: Yeah .
C: And so ,
C: yeah , I th I think my personal preferences of we've all kind of talked about and seemed to be on the same page um .
C: Uh so I was against the speech recognition and against going uh towards anything in in a niche sense .
C: I think it should be more general .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: I didn't I didn't think the spinning-wheel or the uh L_C_ display were were crucial for us .
C: And , yeah , that's it for me .
A: Okay .
A: Well let's um A: so w what are our definite decisions on this then as a team ?
A: The um A: The the um the interface type we're going for C: So we're we're not gonna have any sort of display I think uh .
A: Just the simple s simple straight set of buttons .
C: So , yeah , it's just gonna be just gonna be push-buttons . Um .
C: I think we shall have a limited number of buttons ,
C: ideally , I mean a a power , channel up , channel down , volume up , volume down , and a numerical keypad .
A: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: Uh .
C: And some sort of C: it will either have a a lock button like we mentioned or or a cover or something like that .