B: Uh even when there is absolutely nothing to to s to say but the weather is good in Ore - in in Berkeley .
B: I 'm sure that it 's being appreciated in Oregon and maybe it will generate similar responses down here ,
B: like , uh C: We can set up a webcam maybe .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
B: What you know , nowadays ,
B: yeah .
B: It 's actually do - able , almost .
E: Is the um E: if we mail to " Aurora - inhouse " , does that go up to you guys also ?
B: I don't think so .
C: No .
B: No .
E: OK .
E: So i What is it B: So we should do that .
E: Yeah we sh
B: We should definitely set up A: Yeah .
E: Do we have a mailing list that includes uh the OGI people ?
B: Yeah .
C: Uh no .
C: We don't have .
E: Oh !
B: Uh - huh .
E: Maybe we should set that up .
E: That would make it much easier .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah , that would make it easier .
E: So maybe just call it " Aurora " or something that would B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: And then we also can send the the dis to the same address
B: right ,
B: and it goes to everybody
E: Mm - hmm .
E: Mm - hmm .
C: Yeah .
E: OK .
E: Maybe we can set that up .
B: Because what 's happening naturally in research , I know , is that people essentially start working on something and they don't want to be much bothered ,
B: right ?
B: but what the the then the danger is in a group like this , is that two people are working on the same thing and i c of course both of them come with the s very good solution , but it could have been done somehow in half of the effort or something .
E: Mm - hmm .
B: Oh , there 's another thing which I wanted to uh uh report .
B: Lucash , I think , uh wrote the software for this Aurora - two system .
B: reasonably uh good one , because he 's doing it for Intel ,
B: but I trust that we have uh rights to uh use it uh or distribute it and everything .
B: Cuz Intel 's intentions originally was to distribute it free of charge anyways .
E: Hmm !
B: u s And so so uh we we will make sure that at least you can see the software and if if if if it is of any use .
B: Just uh C: Mm - hmm .
B: It might be a reasonable point for p perhaps uh start converging .
C: Mm - hmm .
B: Because Morgan 's point is that He is an experienced guy .
B: He says " well you know it 's very difficult to collaborate if you are working with supposedly the same thing , in quotes , except which is not s is not the same .
E: Mm - hmm .
B: Which which uh uh one is using that set of hurdles , another one set is using another set of hurdles .
B: So . And And then it 's difficult to c compare .
C: What about Harry ?
C: Uh . We received a mail last week and you are starting to to do some experiments .
B: He got the he got the software .
B: Yeah . They sent the release .
C: And use this Intel version .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
C: Hmm .
B: Yeah because Intel paid us uh
B: should I say on a microphone ?
B: uh some amount of money , not much .
B: Not much I can say on a microphone .
B: Much less then we should have gotten for this amount of work .
B: And they wanted uh to to have software so that they can also play with it , which means that it has to be in a certain environment E: Hmm .
B: they use actu actually some Intel libraries , but in the process , Lucash just rewrote the whole thing because he figured rather than trying to f make sense uh of uh including ICSI software uh not for training on the nets
E: Hmm .
A: Oh .
B: but I think he rewrote the the the or so maybe somehow reused over the parts of the thing so that so that the whole thing , including MLP , trained MLP is one piece of uh software .
E: Mm - hmm .
E: Wow !
B: Is it useful ?
B: Yeah ?
A: Ye - Yeah .
A: I mean , I remember when we were trying to put together all the ICSI software for the submission .
B: Or B: That 's what he was saying ,
B: right .
B: He said that it was like it was like just so many libraries and nobody knew what was used when ,
B: and and so that 's where he started and that 's where he realized that it needs to be needs to be uh uh at least cleaned up ,
A: Yeah .
C: Mm - hmm .
B: and so I think it this is available .
A: Hmm .
C: Yeah .
B: So C: Well , the the only thing I would check is if he does he use Intel math libraries ,
C: because if it 's the case , it 's maybe not so easy to use it on another architecture .
B: uh e ev
B: n not maybe Maybe not in a first maybe not in a first ap approximation
C: Ah yeah .
B: because I think he started first just with a plain C C or C - plus - plus or something before C: Mm - hmm .
B: I I can check on that .
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
E: Hmm .
B: And uh in otherwise the Intel libraries , I think they are available free of f freely .
B: But they may be running only on on uh on uh Windows .
C: Yeah .
B: Or on on the C: On Intel architecture maybe .
B: Yeah , on Intel architecture , may not run in SUN .
C: I 'm C: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: That is p that is that is possible .
B: That 's why Intel of course is distributing it ,
C: Well .
B: right ?
B: Or  That 's C: Yeah .
C: Well there are at least there are optimized version for their architecture .
B: Yeah .
C: I don't know .
C: I never checked carefully these sorts of B: I know there was some issues that initially of course we d do all the development on Linux
B: but we use we don't have we have only three uh uh uh uh s SUNs
B: and we have them only because they have a SPERT board in .
B: Otherwise otherwise we t almost exclusively are working with uh PC 's now , with Intel .
B: In that way Intel succeeded with us , because they gave us too many good machines for very little money or nothing .
E: Yeah .
B: So . So . So we run everything on Intel .
E: Wow !
E: Hmm .
B: And E: Does anybody have anything else ?
E: to E: Shall we read some digits ?
C: Yeah .
B: Yes .
B: I have to take my glasses E: So .
E: Hynek , I don't know if you 've ever done this .
E: The way that it works is each person goes around in turn , <comment> and uh you say the transcript number and then you read the digits , the the strings of numbers as individual digits .
B: No .
B: Mm - hmm .
E: So you don't say " eight hundred and fifty " , you say " eight five oh " , and so forth .
B: OK .
B: OK .
E: Um .
B: So can maybe can I t maybe start then ?
E: Sure .