B: By the light switch , yeah .
C: Yep .
F: I believe that 's correct , yeah .
D: Yeah .
E: OK .
F: Linguine must be the one in the left - hand corner .
E: And A: It 's the one in in that corner , right ?
C: Linguine is the one in the corner .
D: In the c
A: That that has the PC D: Yeah , the one in the E: And then the f the far right corner as you walk in ?
A: Yeah , r Yeah , that 's that one 's got the the PC keyboard ,
A: and then the two on those sides have the , um , SUN keyboard .
C: Yeah . So , basically , right as you walk in the door , the one straight ahead of you is Amaretto .
A: Right .
E: Yep .
E: U u
F: Hmm .
C: And the one to the left of that against the far corner is Linguine .
E: Good .
E: OK .
F: Hmm .
E: And the one close to you is Basmati .
D: Yeah .
C: Right .
E: OK . So now , ha ha who would 've A: Yes .
E: So , if you have a strong E: Now you 're bi - keyboardal
E: so ,
A: Uh , yeah .
E: s but E: but , um ,
C: Nice .
E: who who would prefer the keyboard on Linguine ?
E: OK . We got two votes for Linguine .
E: And who would prefer Amaretto ?
E: Amaretto ?
E: So we got more more multi - keyboardal people ?
B: Ready .
F: I just have no preference .
E: Well , that 's lovely .
B: Yeah , it doesn't really matter .
E: Same here ?
A: Yeah .
F: Yeah .
E: Excellent .
B: Yeah .
E: OK , so i
F: It just goofs me up for like maybe a minute
F: and then I sorta get used to it .
A: Exactly , exactly .
D: I I I could get used to I could get used to it too .
C: Yeah , I could get used to it too .
E: OK .
A: Mm - hmm .
D: I just am very used to F: Huh .
C: i Right .
D: I don't know .
D: Cuz I always use it .
E: I pr I see .
E: I I have experienced this keyboard conflict ,
E: and f with me the things that are confusing are th where the control key is ,
E: so I end up
D: Mmm .
E: pressing shifts and control keys whenever I want the other one , whiche whichever it is .
A: Oh , that 's true .
D: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .
A: I forgot about that one ,
C: Oh .
A: yeah .
F: Mmm .
B: Mmm .
F: Mm - hmm .
D: Mm - hmm .
E: I could easily put a PC keyboard in there if anyone had E: I we already have one ,
E: I could add ane another one A: Right .
E: we so , w you know , maybe let me know if you want it to have it shifted .
A: I 'm E: But , um ,
E: OK .
E: That 's good .
E: Oh , let me see .
E: So , um , I I wanted to , um , m maybe comment a little more on the interface in terms of what aspects of it are helpful in this ,
E: unique the shapes of some of these things are . I know we had this interface for a time when people were doing marking of the numbers ,
D: Mm - hmm .
E: and , um , um ,
E: I 've forgotten Someone said that they could recognize a seven when they saw it . They could see the the waveform and " Oh , it 's gonna be a seven . "
A: Oh wow .
C: Oh yeah .
D: I I remember recognizing certain numbers .
E: Becau
D: I don mmm , I don't remember which ones ,
D: but I think it was maybe D: well , I could recognize when there was a fricative at the beginning of a number for some reason .
D: It was like , a little bit of energy , or some whatever you call it ,
D: and then it grew really big .
D: So like " four " and " five " and " three " all had this same characteristic ,
D: and " six " and " seven " o both had the same characteristics to their in the beginnings .
A: Hmm .
D: But " six " and " eight " ?
D: " Eight " , <comment> um , I remember tended that people tended to not pronounce the last " T " .
E: Oh .
D: And when they did , it was slightly farther away from the rest of the word than you would have es expected .
C: Mm - hmm .
D: Same with " six " .
D: The " X " , well the " KS " or whatever , at the end .
F: Hmm .
A: Hmm .
D: But D: Yeah .
D: That was a that was really interesting to notice that .
D: Uh ,
D: It 's a very different interface , though .
D: I mean , it seems very strange .
E: Mm - hmm . It is different .
E: Well , it w it would it had the benefit of it E: So , this this was to handle the digits , uh , only ,
A: OK .
E: which is what you figure .
E: And , um , did you I thought you might have done that , Joel .
E: Did you also ?
A: Nn - nnn . <comment> No .
E: So , two people did that , i um , I thought .
F: I did it a little .
E: Did you do it ?
E: I thought so .
E: Good , good .
F: Just a little bit .
D: Yeah .
F: Yeah .
E: OK .
D: Yeah , I only did it a little bit , too .
F: Yeah , what happened to that ,
F: you just stopped doing it ?
F: Or ?
E: Well , I think that we 'll bring it back .
F: Oh , OK .
E: The th
A: This was a different interface entirely ?
D: Yeah .
E: Uh , Adam wrote this as uh , using the same , uh , computer language as Channeltrans is written in ,
A: Mm - hmm .
E: and what it would do is present you with the digit string that the person was supposed to have said ,
E: and then you would listen to it ,
E: and everyth the j
E: there were two parts to the task ,
E: one of them was to see if that 's what they actually said ,
E: and to indicate , you know , in the i transcribe errors of it .
C: Mmm .
A: Hmm .
E: And then the other aspect was to tighten the timebins .
E: And those data were actually used in some analyses which showed uh , very very good results .
F: Right .
F: Good .
A: Oh wow .
E: And so it shows ,
E: I mean it 's it 's useful .
E: This is this is why we do these digits .
E: It 's a nice standard task ,
A: Mm - hmm .
D: Mm - hmm .
E: and you have lots of different voices ,
C: Mm - hmm .
D: Mm - hmm .
E: and it 's very clear .
E: You know what the canani canonical answer is when a person says a number ,
E: um , at least most of the time , you know what number it was they said .
E: So its
A: Right .
E: " ground truth " , as they call it , is very clear .
D: Mm - hmm .
A: Hmm .
C: Right .
E: So .
E: But i it was , um , really rather minimal .
E: I mean , I I like that interface .
E: Very efficient ,
E: and really is , um I th think that we 'll probably use it for getting the digits refined in terms of their timebins .
A: Hmm .
D: If I remember correctly , it seemed to be very efficient in the key strokes that you used to do certain things .
F: Mm - hmm .
D: I can't remember what they were , now ,
D: but I just remember that it was once you learned them , it was very neat and concise
D: and , th like E: Excellent .
D: couple keys that you used .
F: Yeah the hardest thing 'd be finding them .
D: Hmm ?
F: Cuz I would get the whole tr I 'd get the whole transcript of the meeting
E: Oh , that 's right !
F: and you had to find them .
F: You 'd have to find where the digits were .
D: Oh .
F: And they 'd usually be at the end somewhere ,
A: Oh wow .
C: Oh .
F: but you had to fig figure out where the heck in the meeting to to look for them ,
D: Yeah .
E: That 's right .
A: Mm - hmm .
F: so .
D: Yeah .
E: I also think that wasn't this a stage where some of these meetings hadn't been transcribed ,
E: so I don't think you could use a string search , right ?
D: Yeah .
E: I mean , I was trying to remember how that worked .
A: Mmm .
E: But it was difficult finding them for some reason .
F: Yeah !
D: Yep .
E: Well , y it was also , like you F: Yeah , the interface was different .
F: I I yeah ,
F: it was it was more complicated .
E: That 's a down side .
F: But anyway ,
E: Mm - hmm .
F: than what it would be now ,
F: so .
E: Actually , you you also did a different type of transcription i uh , with res respect to , um , our sister project ,
E: the SmartKom project ,
E: which involved listening to people who were supposed to be wandering through Germany ,
A: Oh , right .
E: and this is s supposed to be something that would be useful in developing an interface to help them find their way .
A: Mm - hmm .
E: So , um someone else did that too ,
E: I 've forgotten who who else did that ?
E: Did anybody else here do that ?
E: OK .
D: I feel like I did a little checking or something on that .
E: Actually , I think you might have done this also , as I think about it .
D: Yeah . I don't know I don't remember actually transcribing it ,
D: but I remember listening to E: Oh .
E: Mm - hmm . So actually we started with the words
A: Yeah .
E: and it was a matter then of trying to find the most efficient way to match the words up with the s with the actual sounds .
E: Cuz they were reading from a script .
D: Yeah .
D: Right .
C: Mmm .
A: Mm - hmm .
E: And then there was some conversation in addition , that that , um , needed to be transcribed .
B: Mmm .
A: Mm - hmm .
E: But , um ,
E: yeah .
E: One thing that you learn with this interface right away is that if you have really , really , really long utterances , it 's extremely inefficient to do anything .
B: Hmm .
E: Because you end up p p p
E: if you try to n go up in the transcript , you end up with this huge huge space of time
C: Mm - hmm .
A: Yep .
E: and things covering several screens
E: and it 's just horribly i inefficient ,
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
E: so .
A: Yeah .
D: One thing that I still can't figure out with the interface ,
D: it does this sometimes
D: but other times it doesn't ,
D: is when you click on D: you know , there 's a bar above where this sound wave is , that has , um , n the D: it has a little bar of where the meeting is ,
D: like in E: Yes .
F: Mm - hmm .
D: and it goes along as you 're listening to the meeting
D: and then it ends up the end .
D: And if you click on that bar to the right of that little marker then it moves forward ,
E: Mm - hmm .
D: if you click on the left it moves back .
D: But sometimes it moves two frames <comment> or two screens ,
E: Mm - hmm .
C: Mmm .
E: Oh yes .
E: Mm - hmm .
B: Hmm .
E: I 've noticed that .
D: and sometimes it doesn't .
E: I think that 's totally dependent w on how you have the resolution set .
E: So that little tiny thing .
D: Really ?
E: And if I increase the resolution so it 's spread out a bit more , then I seem to have more control over it .
D: OK .
E: But , I don't have A: Mmm .
D: Cuz I noticed that a few times it would do it it would move twice
C: That kind of makes sense
E: Yes .
D: and then in n sometimes i it wouldn't ,
C: because C: Yeah , i
D: and maybe i maybe I had resolution set differently
C: Cuz , yeah , if the s the resolution If it 's moving too slowly then , like , if you were to click on some place then it makes sense that it would get kind of confused .
D: or I s
C: But if it 's moving quickly , <comment> seems that it 's covering more ground faster ,
D: Mm - hmm .
C: so I don't know .
E: I 'm gonna report that to him ,
E: cuz I I 've I know E: that 's one of the reasons why , when I uh suggested to visual scan the record , that I suggested doing it by clicking on the right of the of that navigation bar you 're mentioning .
D: Mm - hmm .
E: Or , actually , clicking on the right of the sound wave and then letting it run past the boundary ,
D: Right .
E: because I had the same problem .
D: Yeah . That 's what I tend to do , is I use a soundwave ,
E: It 's D: but if I 'm trying to scan through a long period of what appears to be silence sometimes I 'll s ry and be sc try to scan it ,
E: cuz you always know E: Yes .
E: Yeah , much more E: Mm - hmm .
D: but I can't
D: because
E: Cuz you end up missing entire frames .
D: it skips . Yeah .
D: So then I end up clicking on the arrow , they have the arrow at the far right ,
E: Ye - I was surprised by that .
E: Yeah .
E: Yes , OK . OK .
D: and so I use that sometimes .
E: So , on the on that on that bar you were describing . Clicking D: Yeah .
D: Mm - hmm .
D: At the far right and far left there 's a little arrow that allows you to go like second by second or something ,
E: OK .
A: I didn't know about that .
D: I don't know .
A: Really ?
D: Not second by second ,
D: but little bit by bit , yeah .
E: So , is this the arrow on the right ,
A: Oh .
E: it would be underneath that little resolution bar ?
E: I mean , it 's like in that u cluster up there ?
D: Um , it 's not on the resolution part .
D: It 's where you have it 's where you have the marker of where you are in the meeting .
D: So you have this bar , uh , and then you have a time marker that moves along .
D: Say , you 're halfway through the meeting , it 's gonna be halfway along the line .
E: Mm - hmm .
E: I have to do something visually .
E: So , my I would say you have <comment> the transcript screen ,
E: and then you have a bar .
E: I think you 're referring to this bar , aren't you ?
D: I think D: Yeah .
E: And then there 's like this little resolution changer .
D: Yeah .
D: It 's D: Yeah .
E: And then down here you have the soundwave ,
E: and then something down here ,
D: Exactly .
A: Oh .
E: and then you got the cha the different channels come out .
D: So right at the right and left of that E: So r right in here you have this bar that you move and as y as you go along it D: Yeah .
E: OK , so , is Are you saying A: Oh that !
A: Yeah .
E: you saying that there 's an arrow right here ?
D: Yeah !
E: OK . And then there 's an arrow right here ?
D: Yeah . Yeah .
E: OK .
E: So you can @ @ D: Exactly .
A: Oh . Does A: That doesn't C: I usually just don't use that , I think .
A: Yeah , that skips A: Oh , is that what you 're talking about ?
C: Oh .
A: If you use that B: Mmm .
A: I 've never used been able to use that
A: cuz it I s feel like it skips such huge portions .
D: Maybe we have resolution set totally different .
B: Yeah .
D: Cuz I noticed when Jen and I have totally different resolutions ,
A: Maybe we do .
D: cuz hers moves so much quicker than mine ,
C: I tend to make it move fast .
A: Oh , I d I I Yeah , I wouldn't D: which means it 's more stretched out , right ?
A: I wouldn't use that unless I was trying to get to a whole different part of the C: Right . Right . Right . Right .
D: Yeah . I usually have it set to where it has , um , point five second intervals on the numbers .
F: Right . That 's when I use it too .
A: Yeah .
C: Hmm .
E: Oh . That 's interesting .
E: I haven't paid attention to the numbers .
E: I sort of like visually , i
E: it helps me to have it be separated enough that I could find a new breaking point if I needed it .
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah . That 's the reason I separate it out .
D: Yeah . I A: Right .
C: Yeah .
D: I do too ,
D: but sometimes if it gets too too for me too stretched out , um , I 'll tend to think that there 's a break in between a pause inside of a word or something .
E: Expanded ?
E: Mm - hmm .
C: Oh , yes .
D: I don't know .
C: Because the , uh the waveform becomes too stretched out .
D: Yeah .
C: Right .
C: Because D: So I prefer it to be a little bit tighter ,
C: Yeah .
C: It 's nice to have D: but I 'll stretch I 'll stretch it in a particular place if I need to , or something .
C: Right .
C: A sort of , like , happy medium , so you can make sure that the waveform has its , like , th g shape .
A: Uh , right .
A: Mm - hmm .
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
C: Now I know what you 're talking about .
D: Yeah .
D: That 's kind of interesting , though .
C: Yeah .
E: Well , we 're coming kind of close to the end of our time here .
E: Um , I did ask about dessert
E: and they told me it was ice cream
E: and it doesn't save well ,
E: so . I mean A: Oh .
D: Well if there 's any left we can grab it .
F: If there was pie again ,
E: That 's right .
F: if there was those tarts again , I 'd be like , " Set us some aside some there . "
D: Ooh , those were good .
A: Hmm .
D: Yeah .
F: But E: Yeah , there 's some Those are those are nice .
F: I 'm not a big ice cream fan .
C: Really ?
C: Oh .
F: Nah .
A: No ?
E: But I did I was thinking i you know , it is interesting to me to think about how each each of us have sampled different meetings ,
E: and yet , i i it 's intriguing to me to think that if I were to describe someone 's characteristics in terms of their speech patterns , I bet you , we would all agree on who it who it was .
C: Mm - hmm .
D: Mm - hmm .
E: You know .
E: I think that 's so interesting .
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
E: Yeah , it 's it 's a statement of speaker style , of course ,
A: Mm - hmm .
E: but .
D: And also that we can I don't know , that we have this shared realm of knowledge , kind of ,
D: and can laugh about things that other people would not understand whatsoever ,
D: or D: You know ?
C: Mm - hmm .
C: The little intricacies and idiosyncracies of people 's voices
D: Yeah . Yeah . I mean , i it 's really cool .
C: and D: Yeah , or even just about what we were talking about with the technical part , you know , the interface .
A: Yeah .
C: Right .
D: I don't know .
E: Do you have any favorite parts of these meetings ?
E: Things that you E: I mean , we di we talked briefly about this last time .
F: When people get really loopy ,
F: and start telling lots of jokes , I think .
C: Yeah .
F: I enjoy always transcribing those sections .
E: Is this do you think this is usually toward the end of the meeting ,
E: or does it vary ?
E: Cuz it could F: It 's yeah , it seems to be more at the end .
E: The the person C: Eah . <comment> Depends on the person .