D: You need some microphone ,
F: You can
F: use Um , but I think that any data that we spend a lot of effort <nonvocalsound> to collect ,
D: but I mean B: Mm - hmm .
D: Yeah .
F: you know , each person who 's interested in I mean , we have a cou we have a bunch of different , um , slants and perspectives on what it 's useful for , um , they need to be taking charge of making sure they 're getting enough of the kind of data that they want .
D: Right .
F: And So in my case , um , I think there w there is enough data for some kinds of projects and not enough for others .
B: Not enough for others , right .
F: And so <nonvocalsound> I 'm looking and thinking , " Well I 'd be glad to walk over and record people and so <nonvocalsound> forth if it 's to help th in my interest . "
B: Mm - hmm .
F: And other people need to do that for themselves , uh , h or at least discuss it so that we can find some optimal D: Right . So that C: Yeah .
D: But I think that I 'm raising that cuz I think it 's relevant exactly for this idea up there that if you think about , " Well , gee , we have this really complicated setup to do , " well maybe you don't .
D: Maybe if if If really all you want is to have a a a recording that 's good enough to get a  uh , a transcription from later , you just need to grab a tape recorder and go up and make a recording .
B: Yeah .
B: For some of it .
F: Right .
B: Yep .
D: I mean , we we could have a fairly We could just get a DAT machine and F: Well , I agree with <nonvocalsound> Jane , though , on the other hand that C: Yeah .
F: So that might be true , you may say for instance , summarization , or something that sounds very language oriented .
F: You may say well , " Oh yeah , you just do that from transcripts of a radio show . "
F: I mean , you don't even need the speech signal .
D: Right .
F: But what you what I was thinking is long term what would be neat is to be able to pick up on um F: Suppose you just had a distant microphone there and you really wanted to be able to determine this .
F: There 's lots of cues you 're not gonna have .
F: So I do think that long term you should always try to satisfy the greatest number of of interests and have this parallel information , which is really what makes this corpus powerful .
B: Right .
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: Special ?
B: Yep .
D: I I I I I agree .
F: Otherwise , you know , lots of other sites can propose individual studies , so D: Uh but I I think that the uh i We can't really underestimate the difficulty shouldn't really u underestimate the difficulty of getting a setup like this up .
B: Yep .
D: And so , uh it took quite a while to get that together and to say , " Oh , we 'll just do it up there , " F: OK .
D: If you 're talking about something simple , where you throw away a lot of these dimensions , then you can do that right away .
D: Talking about something that has all of these different facets that we have here ,
D: it won't happen quickly , it won't be easy , and there 's all sorts of issues about th you know keeping the equipment safe , or else hauling it around , and all sorts of o
F: So then maybe we should <nonvocalsound> try to bring people here .
D: I think the first priority should be to pry <comment> to get try to get people to come here .
B: Here .
F: I mean , that 's that 's F: OK , so
D: We 're set up for it .
E: Mm - hmm .
F: OK .
D: The room is is really , uh , underused .
F: Right .
D: Uh E: I thought the free lunch idea was a great idea .
B: Yeah , I thought so too .
F: Yeah , I And I think we can get people to come here , that D: Free lunch is good .
C: Yeah .
F: But the issue is you definitely wanna make sure that the kind of group you 're getting is the right group
F: so that you don't waste a lot of your time <nonvocalsound> and the overhead in bringing people down .
E: Mm - hmm .
A: No crunchy food .
D: Yeah .
F: So <comment> Well , it would be lunch afterwards .
E: Yeah .
B: Well , I was thinking , lunch after .
F: Right .
F: And they 'd have to do their digits or they don't get dessert .
D: Yeah , they have to do their digits or they don't <comment> get they don't <comment> get their food .
B: Yep .
F: Yeah .
D: Yeah
B: Um , I had a I spoke with some people up at Haas Business School who volunteered .
B: Should I pursue that ?
F: Oh , definitely , yeah .
B: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
B: So .
B: They they originally They 've decided not to do go into speech .
B: So I 'm not sure whether they 'll still be so willing to volunteer ,
B: but I 'll send an email and ask .
D: Tell them about the free lunch .
B: I 'll tell them about the free lunch .
F: Yeah .
F: Yeah .
B: And they 'll say there 's no such thing .
B: So .
F: I 'd love to get people that are not linguists or engineers , cuz these are both weird B: Right .
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: The the  The oth the other h
F: well , I know , I shouldn't say that .
B: That 's alright .
B: No , the they they 're very weird .
F: We need a wider sampling .
A: " Beep . "
D: Uh ,
C: Yeah .
D: " beep "
D: Uh , the the B: The problem with engineers is " beep . "
D: They make funny sounds .
D: The o the o the other The other thing is , uh , that we we talked about is give to them uh , burn an extra CD - ROM .
B: Yep . Let them have their meeting .
D: and give them So if they want a <nonvocalsound> basically and audio record of their F: Well , I thought that was I thought he meant , " Give them a music CD , " like they g Then he said a CD of the of their speech
D: Oh .
F: and I guess it depends of what kind of audience you 're talking to ,
F: but  You know , I personally <nonvocalsound> would not want a <nonvocalsound> CD <comment> of my meeting ,
B: Mmm . Of the meeting ?
F: but maybe yeah , maybe you 're
D: If you 're having some planning meeting of some sort and uh you 'd like F: right . <comment> Right . Right .
A: Oh , that 's a good idea .
B: It 'd be fun .
D: Yeah .
B: I think it would just be fun , you know , if nothing else , you know .
F: Right .
C: Yeah .
D: But it als It it it also I think builds up towards the goal .
B: It 's a novelty item .
F: Right .
D: We 're saying , " Look , you know , you 're gonna get this .
D: Is - is isn't that neat .
D: Then you 're gonna go home with it .
D: It 's actually p It 's probably gonna be pretty useless to you ,
B: Yep .
D: but you 'll ge appreciate , you know , where it 's useful and where it 's useless ,
F: Right .
D: and then , we 're gonna move this technology , so it 'll become useful . "
F: No , I think that 's a great idea , actually .
D: So .
C: Yeah .
F: But we might need a little more to incentivize them , <comment> that 's all .
A: What if you could tell them that you 'll give them the the transcripts when they come back ?
E: Alth
B: Oh , yeah .
B: I mean , anyone can have the transcripts . So . I thought we could point that out .
D: Oh yeah .
E: Yeah .
F: Well , that 's interesting .
E: I hav I have to uh raise a little eensy - weensy concern about doing th giving them the CD immediately , because of these issues of , you know , this kind of stuff , <comment> where maybe  You know ?
D: Good point .
E: So .
D: That 's a very good point .
E: We could burn it after it 's been cleared with the transcript stage .
D: So we can so we can D: r Right .
E: And then they they get a CD , but just not the same day .
F: Oh , right .
F: If It should be the same CD - ROM that we distribute publically ,
B: Yeah , that 's right .
B: That 's a good point .
F: right ?
B: Right , it can't be the internal one .
F: Otherwise they 're not allowed to play it for anyone .
D: Although it 's E: There we go .
E: Oh , I like that .
B: That 's right .
E: Well put . Well put .
E: So , after the transcript screening phase .
B: Yeah , that 's true .
E: Things have been weeded out .
F: Otherwise we 'd need two lawyer stages .
E: Yeah , that 's right , say <comment> " Yeah , well , I got this CD , and , Your Honor , I "
B: Yeah .
F: That 's a good point .
D: Yeah so that 's so let 's start with Haas , and Yeah .
F: Sorry to have to <nonvocalsound> Sorry I have to leave .
F: I will be here full - time next week .
D: Oh , that 's fine .
B: OK , see you .
D: OK .
B: No .
B: Bye .
D: That 's alright .
A: See you .
D: OK .
C: See you .
D: So , uh Let 's see .
D: So that was that topic ,
D: and then um , I guess another topic would be where are we in the whole disk resources question
D: for B: We are slowly slowly getting to the point where we have uh enough sp room to record meetings .
B: So I uh did a bunch of archiving , and still doing a bunch of archiving ,
B: I I 'm in the midst of doing the P - files from uh , Broadcast News .
B: and it took eleven hours <comment> to do to uh copy it .
C: Eleven ?
B: And it 'll take another eleven to do the clone .
A: Where did you copy it to ?
B: Well , it 's Abbott .
B: It 's Abbott , so it just But it 's it 's a lot of data .
D: Sk - It 's copying from one place on Abbott to another place on Abbott ?
B: Tape .
C: Tape ?
B: I did an archive .
D: Oh !
D: I 'm sorry .
A: Oh , on the tape .
C: Oh .
A: Ah !
B: So I 'm archiving it , and then I 'm gonna delete the files .
B: So that will give us ten gigabytes of free space .
C: Eleven hours ?
A: Wow !
C: Oh .
E: Yeah , the archiving m program does take a long time .
C: Yeah .
B: And and B: Yep .
B: And so one That that will be done , like , in about two hours .
B: And so uh , at that point we 'll be able to record five more meetings .
B: So .
C: Yeah .
E: One thing The good news about that that is that once once it 's archived , it 's pretty quick to get back .
C: Yeah .
E: I mean , it it it The other direction is fast , but this direction is really slow .
D: Is it ?
B: Right .
D: Hmm .
C: Yeah .
B: Well , especially because I 'm generating a clone , also .
E: Yeah , OK .
B: So . And that takes a while .
C: Yeah .
A: Generating a clone ?
E: Yeah , that 's a good point .
B: Two copies .
E: Yeah .
B: One offsite , one onsite .
A: Oh !
A: Oh !
A: Hunh !
E: Now , what will uh Is the plan to g to So stuff will be saved , it 's just that you 're relocating it ?
D: S
E: I mean , so we 're gonna get more disk space ?
E: Or did I ?
B: No , the the these are the P - files from Broadcast News , which are regeneratable regeneratable
E: OK .
E: Oh , good .
E: I see .
B: um , if we really need to , but we had a lot of them . And for the full , uh , hundred forty hour sets .
E: OK .
B: And so they they were two gigabytes per file and we had six of them or something .
E: Wow .
C: Yeah .
E: Wow .
D: W w we are getting more space .
D: We are getting , uh , another disk rack and and four thirty - six gigabyte disks .
D: Uh so uh but that 's not gonna happen instantaneously .
E: Wonderful .
B: Or maybe six .
D: Or maybe six ?
B: The SUN , ha uh , takes more disks than the Andatico one did .
D: How many B: The SUN rack takes <comment> Th - One took four and one took six , or maybe it was eight and twelve . Whatever it was , it was , you know , fifty percent more .
D: How much A: Is there a difference in price or something ?
B: Well , what happened is that we we bought all our racks and disks from Andatico for years , according to Dave ,
B: and Andatico got bought by another company and doubled their prices .
A: Oh !
C: Oh .
B: And so , uh , we 're looking into other vendors .
B: " We " By " we " of course I mean Dave .
E: Wow .
B: So .
A: Mm - hmm .
A: Hmm . I 've been looking at the , uh , Aurora data and , um , first first look at it , there were basically three directories on there that could be moved .
A: One was called Aurora , one was Spanish , which was Carmen 's Spanish stuff , and the other one was , um , SPINE .
B: SPINE .
A: And so , um , I wrote to Dan and he was very concerned that the SPINE stuff was moving to a non - backed - up disk .
A: So , um , I realized that well , probably not all of that should be moved , just the CD - ROM type data , the  the static data .
A: So I moved that , and then um , I asked him to check out and see if it was OK .
A: before I actually deleted the old stuff , um , but I haven't heard back yet .
A: I told him he could delete it if he wanted to , I haven't checked today to see if he 's deleted it or not .
A: And then Carmen 's stuff , I realized that when I had copied all of her stuff to XA , I had copied stuff there that was dynamic data .
A: And so , I had to redo that one and just copy over the static data .
A: And so I need to get with her now and delete the old stuff off the disk .
A: And then I lo haven't done any of the Aurora stuff .
A: I have to meet with , uh , Stephane to do that .
A: So .
D: So , but , uh y you 're figuring you can record another five meetings or something with the space that you 're clearing up from the Broadcast News ,
D: but , we have some other disks , some of which you 're using for Aurora ,
D: but are we g do we have some other other space now ?
B: Yep .
B: So , so , uh , we have space on the current disk right now , where Meeting Recorder is ,
D: Yeah .
B: and that 's probably enough for about four meetings .
D: Yeah .
A: Is that the one that has is that DC ?
B: So .
B: Yep .
B: No , no ,
B: well , it 's wherever the Meeting Recorder currently is .
B: I think it 's DI .
A: OK ,
A: I but the stuff I 'm moving from Aurora is on the DC disk that we B: I don't remember .
B: Th - I think it 's DC - It 's whatever that one is .
A: OK , DC .
B: I just don't remember , it might be DC .
A: Yeah .
B: And that has enough for about four more meetings right now .
D: Mm - hmm .
B: Yeah , I mean we were at a hundred percent and then we dropped down to eighty - six for reasons I don't understand .
B: Um , someone deleted something somewhere .
B: And so we have some room again .
B: And then with Broadcast News , that 's five or six more meetings ,
B: so , you know , we have a couple weeks .
B: Uh , so , yeah , I think I think we 're OK , until we get the new disk .
C: OK .
A: So should , um One question I had for you was , um , we need  we sh probably should move the Aurora an and all that other stuff off of the Meeting Recorder disk .
A: Is there another backed - up disk that you know of that would ?
B: We should put it onto the Broadcast News one .
B: That 's probably the best thing to do . And that way we consolidate Meeting Recorder onto one disk rather than spreading them out .
A: OK .
A: Right .
A: Right .
A: Do you know what happen to know what disk that is off ?
B: No .
A: OK .
B: I mean , I can tell you , I just don't know off the top of my head .
A: Yeah .
A: OK .
A: Alright , I 'll find out from you .
B: But , so we could ' jus just do that at the end of today , once the archive is complete , and I 've verified it .
A: OK .
B: Cuz that 'll give us plenty of disk .
D: Uh , OK , @ @ <comment> So , uh , then I guess th the last thing I 'd had on my my agenda was just to hear hear an update on what what Jose has been doing ,
C: Uh - huh .
D: so
C: OK .
C: I have , eh , The result of my work during the last days .
D: OK .
C: Thank you for your information because I I read . Eh , and the the last , eh , days , eh , I work , eh , in my house , eh , in a lot of ways and thinking , reading eh , different things about the the Meeting Recording project .
B: Yeah .
D: Uh - huh .
C: And I have , eh , some ideas .
C: Eh , this information is very very useful .
E: I 'm glad to hear it . Glad to hear it .
C: Because you have the the the distribution , now .
C: But for me , eh is interesting because , eh , eh , here 's i is the demonstration of the overlap , eh , problem .
B: I 've seen it already .
C: It 's a real problem , <comment> a frequently problem <comment> uh , because you have overlapping zones eh , eh , eh , all the time .
E: Yeah .
E: Yeah .
B: Yep .
C: Yeah .
B: Throughout the meeting .
C: Eh , by a moment I have , eh , nnn , the , eh , n I I did a mark of all the overlapped zones in the meeting recording ,
C: with eh , a exact mark .
B: Mm - hmm .
B: Oh , you did that by hand ?
C: Heh ? That 's eh , yet b b Yeah , by b b by hand by hand because , eh , eh " Why . "
B: Can I see that ?
B: Can I get a copy ?
D: Oh .
C: My my idea is to work C: I I I do I don I don't @ @ I don't know , eh , if , eh , it will be possible because I I I haven't a lot eh , enough time to to to work . uh , only just eh , six months , as you know ,
A: Wow !
C: but , eh , my idea is , eh , is very interesting to to work in in the line of , eh , automatic segmenter .
B: Mm - hmm .
C: Eh but eh , eh , in my opinion , we need eh , eh , a reference eh session to t to to evaluate the the the tool .
B: Yes , absolutely .
B: And so are you planning to do that or have you done that already ?
C: And No , no , with i
C: Sorry ?
B: Have you done that or are you planning to do that ?
C: No , I I plan to do that .
B: OK .
B: Darn !
C: I plan I plan , but eh , eh , the idea is the is the following .
C: Now , eh , I need ehm , to detect eh all the overlapping zones exactly .
C: I I will I will eh , talk about eh , in the in the blackboard about the my ideas .
E: Yeah .
E: Duration .
D: Mm - hmm .
C: Eh , um ,  eh This information eh , with eh , exactly time marks eh , for the overlapping zones eh overlapping zone , and eh , a speaker a a pure speech eh , eh , speaker zone .
C: I mean , eh zones eh of eh speech of eh , one speaker without any any eh , noise eh , any any acoustic event eh that eh , eh , w eh , is not eh , speech , real speech .
C: And , I need t true eh , silence
C: for that , because my my idea is to to study the nnn the  the set of parameters eh , what , eh , are more m more discriminant to eh , classify .
B: Right .
C: the overlapping zones in cooperation with the speech eh zones .
C: The idea is to eh to use eh , I 'm not sure to eh yet , but eh my idea is to use a a cluster  eh algorithm or , nnn , a person strong in neural net algorithm to eh to eh study
C: what is the , eh , the property of the different feat eh feature , eh , to classify eh speech and overlapping eh speech .
A: Mmm .
C: And my idea is eh , it would be interesting to to have eh , a control set .
C: And my control set eh , will be the eh , silence , silence without eh , any any noise .