B: And I don't have it quite right ,
B: but that kind of thing ,
B: where you have to draw the inference that , OK , there 's this time sequence ,
B: but also the the the causal aspects of the uh floor and and how it might have been the cause of the fall
B: and that um it was the other person who fell than the one who cleaned it
B: and it <comment> These sorts of things .
B: So , I looked through the transcript that we have so far , <comment> and um , fou identified a couple different types of things of that type
B: and um , one of them was something like uh , during the course of the transcript , um um , w we had gone through the part where everyone said which channel they were on and which device they were on ,
B: and um , the question was raised " Well , should we restart the recording at this point ? "
B: And and Dan Ellis said , " Well , we 're just so far ahead of the game right now we really don't need to " .
B: Now , how would you interpret that without a lot of inference ?
B: So , the inferences that are involved are things like , OK , so , how do you interpret " ahead of the game " ?
B: You know . So it 's the it 's i What you what you int what you draw you know , the conclusions that you need to draw are that space is involved in recording ,
G: Hmm , metaphorically .
B: that um , i that i we have enough space ,
B: and he continues , like " we 're so ahead of the game cuz now we have built - in downsampling " .
B: So you have to sort of get the idea that um , " ahead of the game " is sp speaking with respect to space limitations ,
B: that um that in fact downsampling is gaining us enough space ,
B: and that therefore we can keep the recording we 've done so far .
B: But there are a lot of different things like that .
G: So , do you think his interest is in using this as a data source ,
G: or training material ,
G: or what ?
E: Well , I I should maybe interject to say this started off with a discussion that I had with him ,
E: so um we were trying to think of ways that his interests could interact with ours
G: Mm - hmm .
E: and um uh I thought that if we were going to project into the future when we had a lot of data , uh and um such things might be useful for that in or before we invested too much uh effort into that he should uh , with Jane 's help , look into some of the data that we 're already have
G: Mm - hmm .
E: and see , is there anything to this at all ?
E: Is there any point which you think that , you know , you could gain some advantage and some potential use for it .
E: Cuz it could be that you 'd look through it and you say " well , this is just the wrong task for for him to pursue his "
G: Wrong ,
G: yeah .
E: And and uh I got the impression from your mail that in fact there was enough things like this just in the little sample that that you looked at that that it 's plausible at least .
B: It 's possible .
B: Uh , he was he he you know We met and he was gonna go and uh you know , y look through them more systematically
E: Yeah .
B: and then uh meet again .
E: Yeah .
B: So it 's , you know , not a matter of a E: Yeah .
B: But , yeah , I think I think it was optimistic .
E: So anyway , that 's that 's e a quite different thing from anything we 've talked about that , you know , might might might come out from some of this .
C: But he can use text , basically .
C: I mean , he 's talking about just using text
B: That 's his major B: I mentioned several that w had to do with implications drawn from intonational contours
C: pretty much ,
C: or ?
B: and that wasn't as directly relevant to what he 's doing .
C: OK .
B: He 's interested in these these knowledge structures ,
D: Yeah , interesting .
B: inferences that you draw i from E: I mean , he certainly could use text ,
E: but we were in fact looking to see if there is there is there something in common between our interest in meetings and his interest in in in this stuff .
E: So .
G: And I imagine that transcripts of speech I mean text that is speech probably has more of those than sort of prepared writing .
G: I I don't know whether it would or not , but it seems like it would .
E: I don't know ,
E: probably de probably depends on what the prepared writing was .
E: But .
B: Yeah , I don't think I would make that leap ,
B: because i in narratives , you know I mean , if you spell out everything in a narrative , it can be really tedious ,
G: Mm - hmm .
B: so .
G: Yeah , I 'm just thinking , you know , when you 're when you 're face to face , you have a lot of backchannel
G: and And B: Oh .
B: That aspect .
G: Yeah .
G: And so I think it 's just easier to do that sort of broad inference jumping if it 's face to face .
G: I mean , so , if I just read that Dan was saying " we 're ahead of the game " <comment> in that in that context ,
B: Well B: Yeah .
G: I might not realize that he was talking about disk space as opposed to anything else .
B: I you know , I I had several that had to do with backchannels and this wasn't one of them .
G: Uh - huh .
B: This this one really does um m make you leap from B: So he said , you know , " we 're ahead of the game , w we have built - in downsampling " .
G: Mm - hmm .
B: And the inference , i if you had it written down , would be G: I guess it would be the same .
B: Uh - huh .
B: But there are others that have backchannelling ,
B: it 's just he was less interested in those .
F: Can I F: Sorry to interrupt .
F: Um , I f f f I 've @ @ <comment> d A minute uh , several minutes ago , I , like , briefly was was not listening
F: and So who is " he " in this context ?
C: Yeah , there 's a lot of pronoun F: OK .
F: So I was just realizing we 've You guys have been talking about " he " um for at least uh , I don't know , three three four minutes without ever mentioning the person 's name again .
C: I believe it .
C: Yeah . Actually to make it worse , <comment> uh , Morgan uses " you " and " you "
F: So this is this is this is gonna be a big , big problem if you want to later do uh , you know , indexing , or speech understanding of any sort .
G: It 's in my notes .
C: with gaze and no identification ,
C: or C: I just wrote this down .
F: You just wrote this ?
C: Yeah , actually . Cuz Morgan will say well , " you had some ideas "
D: Yeah .
C: and he never said Li - He looked G: Well , I think he 's doing that intentionally ,
C: Right ,
G: aren't you ?
C: so it 's great .
F: Right .
C: So this is really great
D: Yeah .
C: because the thing is , because he 's looking at the per even for addressees in the conversation ,
F: Mm - hmm .
C: I bet you could pick that up in the acoustics .
C: Just because your gaze is also correlated with the directionality of your voice .
E: Uh - huh .
E: Could be .
E: Yeah . That would be tou
G: Oh , that would be interesting .
B: Can we
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah , so that , I mean , to even know um when C: Yeah , if you have the P Z Ms you should be able to pick up what a person is looking at from their voice .
G: Well , especially with Morgan , with the way we have the microphones arranged . I 'm sort of right on axis
G: and it would be very hard to tell .
C: Right .
G: Uh .
B: Oh , but you 'd have the C: Put Morgan always like this
C: and B: You 'd have fainter E: Well , these B: Wouldn't you get fainter reception out here ?
G: Sure , but I think if I 'm talking like this ?
G: Right now I 'm looking at Jane and talking ,
G: now I 'm looking at Chuck and talking ,
G: I don't think the microphones would pick up that difference .
C: But you don't have this this problem .
B: I see .
C: Morgan is the one who does this most .
G: So if I 'm talking at you , or I 'm talking at you .
E: I probably been affect No , I th I think I 've been affected by too many conversations where we were talking about lawyers and talking about and concerns about " oh gee is somebody going to say something bad ? " and so on .
G: Lawyers .
E: And so I so I 'm I 'm tending to stay away from people 's names even though uh B: I am too .
C: Even though you could pick up later on , just from the acoustics who you were t who you were looking at .
B: I am too .
G: And we did mention who " he " was .
C: Yeah .
G: Early in the conversation .
E: Yeah .
F: Right , but I missed it .
F: But it was uh G: Do Sh - Can I say
E: Yeah .
C: Yeah , yeah .
G: or or is that just too sensitive ?
F: Yeah .
E: Yeah . No no , there 's E: No no , it isn't sensitive at all .
B: Well E: I was just I was just I was overreacting just because we 've been talking about it .
B: And in fact , it is it is it is sensitive .
E: It 's OK to C: No , but that C: it 's interesting .
B: I I came up with something from the Human Subjects people that I wanted to mention .
B: I mean , it fits into the m area of the mundane ,
B: but they did say B: You know , I asked her very specifically about this clause of how , um , you know , it says " no individuals will be identified
B: uh , " in any publication using the data . "
B: OK , well , individuals being identified ,
B: let 's say you have a a snippet that says , " Joe s uh thinks such - and - such about about this field , but I think he 's wrongheaded . "
B: Now I mean , we 're we 're gonna be careful not to have the " wrongheaded " part in there ,
B: but but you know , let 's say we say , you know , " Joe used to think so - and - so about this area , in his publication he says that but I think he 's changed his mind . " or whatever .
E: b But I B: Then the issue of of being able to trace Joe , because we know he 's well - known in this field , and all this and and tie it to the speaker , whose name was just mentioned a moment ago , can be sensitive .
B: So I think it 's really really kind of adaptive and wise to not mention names any more than we have to
B: because if there 's a slanderous aspect to it , then how much to we wanna be able to have to remove ?
E: Yeah , well , there 's that .
E: But I I mean I think also to some extent it 's just educating the Human Subjects people , in a way ,
E: because there 's If uh You know , there 's court transcripts , there 's there 's transcripts of radio shows E: I mean people say people 's names all the time .
E: So I think it it can't be bad to say people 's names .
E: It 's just that i I mean you 're right that there 's more poten If we never say anybody 's name , then there 's no chance of of of slandering anybody ,
C: But , then it won't I mean , if we if we E: but G: It 's not a meeting .
C: Yeah . I mean we should do whatever 's natural in a meeting if if we weren't being recorded .
E: Yeah .
E: Right , so I So my behavior is probably not natural .
E: So .
C: " If Person X "
B: Well , my feeling on it was that it wasn't really important who said it ,
B: you know .
E: Yeah .
F: Well , if you ha since you have to um go over the transcripts later anyway , you could make it one of the jobs of the people who do that to mark
G: Well , we t we t we talked about this during the anon anonymization .
G: If we wanna go through and extract from the audio and the written every time someone says a name .
F: Right .
G: And I thought that our conclusion was that we didn't want to do that .
E: Yeah , we really can't .
E: But a actually , I 'm sorry . I really would like to push finish this off .
B: I understand .
B: No I just I just was suggesting that it 's not a bad policy p potentially .
E: So it 's B: So , we need to talk about this later .
E: Yeah , I di I didn't intend it an a policy though .
E: It was it was just it was just unconscious well , semi - conscious behavior .
B: Uh - huh .
E: I sorta knew I was doing it but it was F: Well , I still don't know who " he " is .
E: I I do I don't remember who " he " is .
C: No , you have to say , you still don't know who " he " is , with that prosody .
E: Ah .
E: Uh , we were talking about Dan at one point <comment> and we were talking about Lokendra at another point .
F: Oh .
B: Yeah , depends on which one you mean .
E: And I don't I don't remember which which part .
C: It 's ambiguous , so it 's OK .
E: Uh , I think G: Well , the inference structures was Lokendra .
F: But no . The inference stuff was was was Lokendra .
F: OK .
E: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .
F: That makes sense , yeah .
E: Um C: And the downsampling must have been Dan .
G: Yeah .
E: Good E: Yeah .
C: It 's an inference .
E: Yeah , you could do all these inferences ,
G: Yeah .
E: yeah .
E: Yeah .
E: Um , I I would like to move it into into uh what Jose uh has been doing
E: because he 's actually been doing something .
B: Yeah .
D: Uh - huh .
E: So . Right .
D: OK .
F: As opposed to the rest of us .
D: Well - <comment> OK .
D: I I remind that me my first objective eh , in the project is to to study difference parameters
D: to to find a a good solution to detect eh , the overlapping zone in eh speech recorded .
D: But eh , tsk , <comment> ehhh <comment> In that way <comment> I  I  I begin to to study and to analyze the ehn the recorded speech eh the different session
D: to to find and to locate and to mark eh the the different overlapping zone .
D: And eh so eh I was eh I am transcribing the the first session
D: and I I have found eh , eh one thousand acoustic events ,
D: eh besides the overlapping zones , eh I I I mean the eh breaths eh aspiration eh , eh , talk eh , eh , clap ,
D: eh <comment> I don't know what is the different names eh you use to to name the the n speech
A: Nonspeech sounds ?
D: Yeah .
G: Oh , I don't think we 've been doing it at that level of detail .
G: So .
D: Yeah .
D: Eh , I I I do I don't need to to to mmm  to m to label the the different acoustic ,
D: but I prefer because eh I would like to to study if eh , I I will find eh , eh , a good eh parameters eh to detect overlapping
D: I would like to to to test these parameters eh with the another eh , eh acoustic events ,
D: to nnn  to eh to find what is the ehm the false eh , the false eh hypothesis eh , nnn , which eh are produced when we use the the ehm this eh parameter eh I mean pitch eh , eh , difference eh , feature G: Mm - hmm .
A: You know I think some of these um that are the nonspeech overlapping events may be difficult even for humans to tell that there 's two there .
G: So it was D: Yeah .
A: I mean , if it 's a tapping sound , you wouldn't necessarily or , you know , something like that , it 'd be it might be hard to know that it was two separate events .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
G: Well You weren't talking about just overlaps
D: Ye
G: were you ?
G: You were just talking about acoustic events .
D: I I I I t I t I talk eh about eh acoustic events in general ,
G: Someone starts , someone stops G: Yeah .
D: but eh my my objective eh will be eh to study eh overlapping zone .
A: Oh .
G: Mm - hmm .
D: Eh ? <comment> n Eh in twelve minutes I found eh , eh one thousand acoustic events .
E: How many overlaps were there uh in it ?
E: No no , how many of them were the overlaps of speech , though ?
D: How many ?
D: Eh almost eh three hundred eh in one session
G: Oh , God !
D: in five eh in forty - five minutes .
G: Ugh .
A: Three hundred overlapping speech D: Alm - Three hundred overlapping zone .
C: Overlapping speech .
D: With the overlapping zone , overlapping speech speech what eh different duration .
A: Mm - hmm .
E: Sure .
B: Does this ?
B: So if you had an overlap involving three people , how many times was that counted ?
D: Yeah , three people , two people .
D: Eh , um I would like to consider eh one people with difference noise eh in the background ,
D: be
E: No no , but I think what she 's asking is if at some particular for some particular stretch you had three people talking , instead of two , did you call that one event ?
D: Oh .
D: Oh .
D: Yeah .
D: I consider one event eh for th for that eh for all the zone .
D: This th I I I con I consider I consider eh an acoustic event , the overlapping zone , the period where three speaker or eh are talking together .
G: Well So let 's B: For
G: So let 's say me and Jane are talking at the same time ,
G: and then Liz starts talking also over all of us .
G: How many events would that be ?
D: So - I don't understand .
G: So , two people are talking , <comment> and then a third person starts talking .
D: Yeah ?
G: Is there an event right here ?
D: Eh no . No no .
D: For me is the overlapping zone ,
D: because because you you have s you have more one eh , more one voice eh , eh produced in a in in a moment .
G: So i if two or more people are talking .
E: I see .
E: OK .
E: Yeah . So I think Yeah . We just wanted to understand how you 're defining it .
D: Yeah .
E: So then , in the region between since there there is some continuous region , in between regions where there is only one person speaking .
D: If
D: Uh - huh .
E: And one contiguous region like that you 're calling an event .
E: Is it Are you calling the beginning or the end of it the event ,
D: Uh - huh .
D: Yeah .
E: or are you calling the entire length of it the event ?
D: I consider the the , nnn the nnn , nnn eh , the entirety
D: eh , eh , all all the time there were the voice has overlapped .
E: OK .
D: This is the idea .
D: But eh I I don't distinguish between the the numbers of eh speaker .
D: Uh , I 'm not considering eh the the ehm eh , the fact of eh , eh , for example , what did you say ?
D: Eh at first eh , eh two talkers are uh , eh speaking ,
D: and eh , eh a third person eh join to to that .
D: For me , it 's eh it 's eh , all overlap zone , with eh several numbers of speakers is eh , eh the same acoustic event .
D: Wi - but uh , without any mark between the zone of the overlapping zone with two speakers eh speaking together ,
D: and the zone with the three speakers .
B: That would j just be one .
D: It One . One .
B: OK .
D: Eh , with eh , a beginning mark and the ending mark .
E: Got it .
D: Because eh for me , is the is the zone with eh some kind of eh distortion the spectral .
D: I don't mind By the moment , by the moment .
G: Well , but But you could imagine that three people talking has a different spectral characteristic than two .
D: I I don't D: Yeah , but eh but eh I have to study . <comment> What will happen in a general way ,
E: Could .
G: So . You had to start somewhere .
E: Yeah . We just w
D: I  I don't know what eh will will happen with the C: So there 's a lot of overlap .
G: Yep .
C: So .
G: That 's a lot of overlap ,
G: yeah ,
E: So again , that 's that 's three three hundred in forty - five minutes that are that are speakers , just speakers .
G: for forty - five minutes .
D: Yeah ?
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
E: Uh - huh . OK . Yeah .
B: But a a a th
E: So that 's about eight per minute .