F: Oh .
E: Right .
E: And it gets downsampled to sixteen .
G: OK .
C: And that 's actually said in your meeting ,
B: so
F: Hmm .
G: Oh OK .
C: that 's how I know that .
G: That 's exactly , and that 's how I know it .
B: Yeah .
C: I I It 's like are we downsampling to sixteen ?
B: It 's a digital audio orientation for the board
C: Right .
B: it 's in the monitor so it 's
A: Mmm .
C: Thank God it 's not more than that .
E: So F: Is eight kilohertz is is eighty kilohertz generally accepted as like standard for voice ?
B: Yeah .
E: And I have no idea what filter it 's using ,
E: so
E: Telephone .
B: For telephone stuff .
D: Telephone .
F: Yeah that 's what I was gonna say ,
F: I mean like F: so
B: So it 's it 's it 's just that they were operating from Switchboard which was a completely telephone database
F: Oh , I see ,
F: so .
F: OK .
B: and so that was a standard for that sixteen s
E: So sixteen seems to be pretty typical for with this sort of thing .
F: Right .
B: Sixteen is more common for for uh broadband stuff that isn't E: That isn't music .
B: that isn't music and isn't telephone ,
C: And I guess if you 're comparing like uh if you wanna run recognition on the PZM stuff you would want you don't want to downsample the wh that
B: yeah .
E: Why is that ?
C: right ?
B: I don't know .
C: Well I don I mean if it 's any better
B: No actually I would think that you would you would get better you 'd get better high frequencies in the local mike .
E: All the way around I 'd think .
B: Uh but who knows ?
C: Yeah
E: Yeah .
B: I mean we do we we we we we wanna find all this stuff out ,
C: well we could try it .
B: we don't know .
E: We 're gonna have plenty of low frequency on the P Z Ms with the fans .
C: OK .
C: Yeah .
B: Uh yeah .
B: Yeah .
C: Oh yeah
C: there was just one more thing I wanted to say which is totally unrelated to the recognition except that
C: um
C: well well it 's sort of related
C: but um
C: good news also
C: uh I got C: well Chuck Fillmore agreed to record meetings but he had too many people in his meetings
C: and that 's too bad cuz they 're very animated
C: and but uh Jerry also agreed so uh we 're starting on on
A: They 're less animated .
C: Well but he has fewer C: he he won't have more than eight
C: and it 's a meeting on even deeper understanding , EDU ,
C: so that sounds interesting .
E: Dot EDU ?
C: As a compliment to our front - end meeting
C: and um so that 's gonna start Monday
C: and one of the things that I was realizing is um it would be really great if anyone has any ideas on some kind of time synchronous way that people in the meeting can make a comment to the person whose gonna transcribe it
C: or or put a push a button or something when they wanna make a note about " oh boy you should probably erase those last few "
C: or uh " wait I want this not to be recorded now "
C: or uh something like that s
B: Weren't we gonna do something with a pad at one point ?
G: The cross pads ?
E: Yeah , we could do it with the cross pads .
C: Cuz I was thinking you know if if the person who sets up the meeting isn't there and it 's a group that we don't know
C: um and this came up talking to to Jerry also
C: that you know is there any way for them to indicate to make sure that the qu request that they have that they make explicitly get addressed somehow
B: Yeah .
C: so I don't know if anyone has ideas
C: or you could even write down " oh it 's about three twenty five and " B: Well what I was just suggesting is is we have these this cross pad just for this purpose
E: Yeah , and use that .
E: Not a bad idea .
B: and just use that
C: That would be great .
B: and if we sink it in B: The other thing is eh
C: That be great .
B: I don't know if you know this or if it 's a question for the mail to Dan
B: but is this thing of two eight channel boards a maximum for this setup or could we go to a third board ?
E: I don't know .
E: I don't know .
E: I 'll send mail to Dan and ask .
E: I I think that it 's the maximum we can do without a lot of effort
E: because it 's one board with two digital channels .
B: Oh it is one board .
E: E eight each .
E: So it it takes two fibers in to the one board .
E: And so w I think if we wanna do that more than that we 'd have to have two boards ,
E: and then you have the synchronization issue .
B: But that 's a question because that would B: if it was possible cuz it is i
B: you know already we have a a a group of people in this room that cannot all be miked
E: Right .
B: and it 's not just cuz we haven't been to the store ,
B: right
B: it 's D: What is the limit on each of those f fiber channels ,
D: is it the
E: Eight .
D: It just it 's eight channels come in ,
E: It 's eight .
D: does it have do with the sampling rate ?
E: I have no idea .
E: But each each fiber channel has eight eight channels
E: and there are two ch two fibers that go in to the card .
B: It might be a hard limitation ,
E: So
B: I mean one thing is it the whole thing as I said is is all structured in terms of forty - eight kilohertz sampling
B: so that pushes requirements up a bit
E: Yeah .
D: I was just wondering if if that could change .
B: but
E: I mean then we 'd also have to get another ADD and another mixer and all that sort of stuff .
D: If we could drop that .
B: Yeah .
E: So I I 'll send a mail to Dan and ask him .
B: Yeah .
E: OK on the uh
E: are we done with that ?
E: So the oth topic is uh getting more mikes and different mikes ,
E: so I got a quote
E: um
E: We can fit we have room for one more wireless
E: and the wireless ,
E: this unit here is three fifty three hundred fifty dollars ,
E: it I didn't realize but we also have to get a tuner the receiver the other end ,
E: that 's uh four thirty
E: um and then also
D: Wow .
C: For for each ?
C: I mean the tuner is four thirty for each .
E: Yep .
C: Wow .
E: And we just need one more so so
B: Yeah at least w we got the good ones .
E: Yeah .
E: So that 's you know something like seven hundred eighty bucks for one more of these .
B: Yeah .
B: OK .
E: Um and then also um It turns out that the connector that this thing uses is proprietary of Sony
D: Oh .
E: believe it or not
E: and Sony only sells this headset .
G: Mmm .
E: So if we wanna use a different set headset the solution that the guy suggested and they apparently lots of people have done is Sony will sell you the jack with just wires coming out the end
E: and then you can buy a headset that has pigtail and solder it yourself .
E: And that 's the other solution
E: and so the jacks are forty bucks apiece
E: and the he recommended um a crown CM three eleven AE headset for two hundred bucks apiece .
B: There isn't this some sort of thing that plugs in ,
B: you actually have to go and do the soldering yourself ?
E: Becau - the reason is the only only thing you can get that will plug into this is this mike or just the connector .
B: No I understand .
B: The reason I ask is these sort of handmade uh wiring jobs fall apart in use
B: so the other thing is to see if we can uh get them to do a custom job and put it together for this .
E: Oh I 'm sure they would , they would just charge us ,
D: Well , and they 'd probably want quantity too ,
E: so .
D: they 'd
B: Well
B: no they 'll just charge us more ,
B: so it 's this
D: Mmm .
E: So so my question is should we go ahead and get na nine identical head - mounted crown mikes ?
B: Not before having one come here and have some people try it out .
E: OK .
B: Because there 's no point in doing that if it 's not gonna be any better .
E: So why don't we get one of these with the crown with a different headset ?
B: Yeah .
E: And and see if that works .
B: And see if it 's preferable and if it is then we 'll get more .
C: Comfort .
E: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
C: Cuz I mean I think the microphones are OK
C: it 's just the the
E: Right ,
E: it 's just they 're not comfortable to wear .
B: Right .
C: Could make our own handbands and
E: Um , and he said they don't have any of these in stock but they have them in LA
E: and so it will take about a week to get here .
B: Yeah well it 's E: Um so OK to just go order ?
B: We 're in this for the long term ,
B: yeah .
B: Just order it .
C: It 's a lot of money for a handband .
E: OK
E: and who is the contact if I wanna do an invoice
F: Yeah .
E: cuz I think that 's how we did it before .
B: Uh we 'll do this off - line , yeah .
F: It 's a long time to get from LA .
E: OK .
E: And then nine channels is the maximum we can do ,
E: so .
B: Uh y right
E: Without getting more stuff .
B: cuz B: so one is for the daisy chain so that 's fifteen instead of sixteen
B: and there 's six on the table
E: Right .
B: so that 's nine .
C: Can I ask a really dumb question ?
B: Yeah .
E: Probably .
C: Is  is there any way we can have you know like a a wireless microphone that you pass around to the people who you know the extra people for the times they wanna talk that C: I mean B: That 's a good idea .
B: That 's not a dumb question ,
B: it 's a good idea ,
C: Well I mean A: Like uh like you know Jerry Springer thing ,
E: I 'm just not sure how we would handle that in the
B: yeah .
F: That 's like the Conch .
C: Well but D: Like at conferences
C: well but there might be a way to say that there are gonna be these different people
A: you know r
F: See , look .
D: so nail the chairs down .
C: um and I don't know identifying somehow ?
A: Yeah .
E: Yeah , somehow .
C: You know I was just thinking of Jerry Springer .
E: It 's not a bad idea .
B: No that no no
B: that 's a very B: if we can't get another board and even if we can I have a feeling they 'll be some work .
C: I mean for the few times that you might wanna have that .
D: The Springer mike .
B: Let 's figure that we have eight which are set up
B: and then there 's a ninth which is passed around to E: A hand - held ,
E: yeah .
B: that 's a good idea
D: Infinite expansion .
B: Right .
B: Kind of rules out overlap
B: but  but uh
C: Well or also for you know if people are not
B: Yeah .
E: Well we could just hand around the lapel .
B: Uh no E: Rather than get a B: no that 's E: do you want a handset ?
C: No not the lapel .
B: No .
E: Well I mean is the is the hand - held really any better ?
D: Liz hates the lapel .
B: Yes .
E: OK .
C: I don't know
C: but I d I know the lapel is really suboptimal .
B: No it E: Is awful ?
B: no it depends on the hand - held
B: but hand many hand - helds are built wi with sort of uh anti - shock sort of things so that it it is less uh susceptible to hand noises .
D: Mm - hmm .
B: If you hold the lapel mike i you just get all k sorts of junk .
C: Right .
E: OK .
C: I mean the ones they really pass around must be sort of OK .
B: so
E: So I wonder if they have one that will hook up .
B: Yeah .
B: They have B: What ?
E: I wonder if they have one that will hook up to this or whether again we 'll have to wire it ourselves .
D: Well , you wouldn't want it to hook there
D: you 'd just want it to hook into the receiver in the other room ,
D: right ?
B: No that 's uh B: you need a transmitter .
E: What ?
D: Is th isn't that built into the mike ?
B: Oh I see .
B: Get a get a different radio ,
B: yeah .
C: Yeah just these ones that they pass around with no you know wireless
B: Yeah .
B: But you need a ra but it has to correspond to the receiver .
D: Have a little antenna coming out the bottom .
E: It 's gonna be much easier to get one of these and just plug in a mike ,
E: isn't it ?
D: But then the mike has to h
A: Do you have to hand it around
A: and if you have two pieces of
F: Yeah .
B: No no C: Right .
B: so right ,
B: so this is a good point ,
B: so yeah you have these these mikes with a little antenna on the end
E: OK .
B: right ?
E: And do you think you would be able to use the same receiver ?
B: I don't know .
E: OK I 'll I 'll ask .
B: You 'll have to check with them ,
E: Yeah .
B: yeah .
D: It 's just a frequency .
B: But that 's that 's a great idea
B: and then just sort of have that as the and then you can have groups of twenty people or whatever
B: and and uh
C: Yeah because there 's only I mean as Andreas pointed out actually I think in the large the larger the group the less interaction the less people are talking um over each other A: Pretty soon .
D: Mmm , yeah .
C: it just there might be a lot of people that speak once or twice
C: and
B: Right .
A: Um Gotta go .
B: Off you go ,
B: yeah .
E: OK
E: so I guess people who have to leave can leave
E: and do we have anything else to discuss or should we just do digits ?
G: I I thought of some extra a couple of extra things I 'd like to mention .
E: OK .
G: One of them is to give you a status in terms of the transcriptions so far .
G: So um as of last night um I 'd assigned twelve hours and they 'd finished nine
E: uh Yep ,
G: and my goal was to have eleven done by the end of the month ,
G: I think that by tomorrow we 'll have ten .
C: Uh it 's great G: So they 're still working .
B: Pretty close ,
D: Wow .
C: I j and this I got this email from Jane at like two in the morning or something
B: that 's good .
E: that 's good .
C: so it 's really great
G: It 's working out , thanks .
C: It 's really great .
G: Thanks .
G: And then um also an idea for another meeting , which would be to have the transcribers talk about the data
G: It 's sort of a a little bit a little bit
C: That 's a great idea .
E: Yep ,
B: Super idea .
E: that 'd be very interesting .
F: Yeah .
C: That 's a great idea cuz I 'd like to g have it recorded so that we can remember all the little things ,
E: I 'd love to hear what they have to say .
G: Yeah .
D: So if we got them to talk about this meeting , it would be a meta meta meeting .
C: that 's a great idea .
G: Yeah .
G: Yeah , exa exactly
G: I guess nested several layers ,
B: Now you have eight transcribers and there 's ten of us
G: but
B: so how do we do this , is the only thing .
C: Or just have them talk amongst themselves .
D: Have them have their own meeting .
G: Well that 's what I 'm thinking ,
C: And have
G: yeah .
B: Oh .
G: Have them talk about the data and they and they 've made observations to me
C: that would be great .
G: like they say uh you know this meeting that we think has so much overlap , in fact it does
G: but there are other groups of similar size that have very little ,
G: you know it 's part of it 's it 's the norm of the group and all that
G: and they have various observations that would be fun , I think .
C: That 's a great idea .
E: Yeah , I 'd like to hear what they s say .
G: Yeah .
C: Be great .
G: OK .
B: So maybe we could they could have a meeting more or less without us that to do this and we should record it
B: and then maybe one or two of them could come to one of these meetings and and could you know could tell us about it .
G: Yeah .
E: Give us a status .
C: Yeah .
G: Oh good .
G: OK .
B: Yeah .
G: What what
E: That would be weird .
C: It 's they will get to transcribe their own meeting but they also get paid for having a break
G: yeah that 's right .
C: and I think that 's a good idea ,
G: Yeah exactly ,
G: yeah .
C: get them involved .
B: Yeah .
G: Great .
C: Um that 's a great idea .
G: Great .
B: Super .
C: I 'm really sorry I have to g
C: no I have to go as well .
B: OK .
G: And then I wanted to also um say something about the Fiscus uh uh John John Fiscus visit tomorrow .
G: And Which is to say that w it 'll be from nine to one
G: that I 'm going to uh uh offer the organization allow him to uh adjust it if he wishes
G: but to be basically in three parts ,
G: the acoustic part coming first which would be basically the room engineering aspects
G: um other things
G: and he 'll be also presenting what NIST is doing
G: and and uh then uh
G: number two would be sort of a the the transcription process
G: so this would be a focus on like presegmentation and the modifications to the the multitrans interface
G: which allows more refined encoding of the beginnings and ends of the overlapping segments
G: which uh Dave Gelbart 's been doing
G: and then um uh and of course the presegmentation Thilo 's been doing
G: and then um the third part would G: and again he has some stuff that 's i relevant with respect to NIST
G: and then the third one would be focus on transcription standards
G: so at NIST he 's interested in this establishment of a global encoding standard I guess I would say
G: and I want it ,
G: you know k
G: yeah
G: see what they 're doing and also present what what we 've chosen as ours and and discuss that kind of thing .
G: And so but he 's only here until until one
G: and actually we 're thinking of noon being uh lunch time
G: so basically hoping that we can get as much of this done as possible before noon .
G: S
B: OK .
G: And everybody who wants to attend is welcome .
G: So
G: yeah .
E: Oh , where you 're gonna meet ?
G: Here mostly
G: but I 've also reserved the BARCO room um eh to figure out how that works in terms of like maybe having a live demonstration .
B: OK
B: but the nine o ' cl nine o ' clock will be i be in here .
G: Yeah .
G: Mm - hmm .
B: Yeah , OK .
E: I assume we 're not gonna try to record it ?
G: Oh I think that would be hard , yeah .
B: Yeah , I think just adds E: Alright .
G: Yeah .
B: Um good .
G: Thank you though ,
G: uh - huh .
B: So maybe do digits and recess ?
G: Yeah .
E: Unless there 's anything else ?
G: Yeah .
D: Do digital ones ?
B: Uh OK .
G: Yeah .
E: Uh should y we make him wear Andreas ' mike or would that just be too confusing ?
B: Yeah .
B: No I don't think it 's confusing .
B: Well , it doesn't confuse me .
G: When we do this in the key in the key in the key it has to indicate that channel change ,
D: Does it mess up the forms ?
G: right ?
E: Uh yeah I just don't know how we would do that ,
E: so .
G: Well i have a time mark .
E: I mean other than free free form .
D: The on switch is here on the on the top there .
G: Yeah .
B: OK .
E: And just clip it to your collar .
B: That 's fine .
J: OK , my name is uh Espen Eriksen .
J: I 'm a Norwegian .
J: Um uh this is my second semester at Berkeley .
J: Currently I 'm taking uh my first graduate level courses in DSP
J: and um when I come back to Norway I 'm gonna continue with the more of a research project work kind of work .
J: So this semester I 'm starting up with a with a small project through uh Dave Gelbart which I 'm taking a course with
J: I got in touch with him and he told me about this project .
J: So with the help of uh Dan Ellis I 'm gonna do small project associated to this .
J: What I 'm gonna try to do is uh use use ech echo cancellation to uh to handle the periods where you have overlapping talk .
J: To try to do something about that .
J: So currently I 'm um I 'm just reading up on echo cancellation ,
J: s looking into the theory behind that
J: and then uh hopefully I get some results .
J: So it it 's a it 's a project goes over the course of one semester .
E: Great .
J: So I 'm just here today to introduce myself .
J: Tell about
J: I 'll be I 'll be working on this .
E: And are you staying at Berkeley
E: or is are you just here a semester ?
J: This is my second semester and last .
E: Ah second and last ,
J: So I leave
E: OK .
B: Yeah .
B: He 's in the he 's in the cour two two five D course .
J: Yeah , I 'm in Morgan 's course ,
B: So ,
J: yeah .
B: yeah .
E: Good .
D: Welcome .