Grad A: you know , say " this is what we 're thinking about for our transcription " , if nothing else . So , well w shall we move on and talk a little bit about transcription then ?
PhD B: Mm - hmm . Let 's .
PhD C: Yeah .
Grad A: OK , so {comment} since that 's what we 're talking about . What we 're using right now is a tool , um , from this French group , called " Transcriber " that seems to work very well . Um , so it has a , uh , nice useful Tcl - TK user interface and , uh ,
Undergrad D: Thi - this is the process of converting audio to text ?
Grad A: Right .
Undergrad D: And this requires humans just like the the STP stuff .
Grad A: Yes , yeah . Right , right . So we 're we 're at this point only looking for word level . So all all so what you have to do is just identify a segment of speech in time , and then write down what was said within it , and identify the speaker . And so the things we that we know that I know I want are the text , the start and end , and the speaker . But other people are interested in for example stress marking . And so Jane is doing primary stress , um , stress marks as well . Um , and then things like repairs , and false starts , and , filled pauses , and all that other sort of stuff , we have to decide how much of that we wanna do .
Postdoc E: I did include a glo {comment} uh , a certain first pass . My my view on it was when you have a repair then , uh it seems I mean , we saw , there was this presentation in the one of the speech group meetings about how Grad A: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc E: and I think Liz has done some stuff too on that , that it , uh  that you get it bracketed in terms of like well , if it 's parenthetical , which I know that Liz has worked on , then uh y y you 'll have different prosodic aspects .
Grad A: Mm - hmm .
PhD B: Hmm .
Postdoc E: And then also if it 's a r if it 's a repair where they 're like what I just did , then it 's nice to have sort of a sense of the continuity of the utterance , the start to be to the finish . And , uh , it 's a little bit deceptive if you include the repai the pre - repair part and sometimes or of it 's in the middle . Anyway , so what I was doing was bracketing them to indicate that they were repairs which isn't uh , very time - consuming .
Grad A: Mm - hmm .
Undergrad D: I is there already some sort of plan in place for how this gonna be staffed or done ? Or is it real is that what we 're talking about here ?
Grad A: Well , that 's part of the thing we 're talking about . So what we wanted to do was have Jane do basically one meeting 's worth , you know , forty minutes to an hour ,
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
Grad A: and Postdoc E: As a pilot study .
Undergrad D: Yourself ?
Grad A: Yeah .
Undergrad D: It this is this is like five times real time or ten times real time Postdoc E: Yeah , as a pilot study .
Grad A: Ten times about , is and so one of the things was to get an estimate of how long it would take , and then also what tools we would use . And so the next decision which has to be made actually pretty soon is how are we gonna do it ? So .
Undergrad D: And so you make Jane do the first one so then she can decide , oh , we don't need all this stuff , just the words are fine .
Postdoc E: That 's right , that 's right .
PhD B: That 's right .
Postdoc E: I wanna hear about these uh , we have a g you were s continuing with the transcription conventions for s
Grad A: R right , so so one one option is to get linguistics grad students and undergrads to do it . And apparently that 's happened in the past . And I think that 's probably the right way to do it . Um , it will require a post pass , I mean people will have to look at it more than once to make sure that it 's been done correctly , but I just can't imagine that we 're gonna get anything that much better from a commercial one . And the commercial ones I 'm sure will be much more expensive .
Undergrad D: Can't we get Joy to do it all ?
Grad A: Yeah right .
Postdoc E: No , that 's Grad A: We will just get Joy and Jane to do everything .
Undergrad D: Is tha wasn't that what she was doing before ? Yeah , that 's right .
Grad A: But , you know , that 's what we 're talking about is getting some slaves who who need money
Undergrad D: Right .
Grad A: and , uh , duh , again o
Postdoc E: I object to that characterization !
PhD B: Oh , really .
Grad A: I meant Joy . And so again , I have to say " are we recording "
Postdoc E: Oh , thank you . OK .
Grad A: and then say , uh , Morgan has has consistently resisted telling me how much money we have .
Undergrad D: Right . Well , the answer is zero .
Grad A: So .
Undergrad D: There 's a reason why he 's resisted .
Grad A: Well , if it 's zero then we can't do any transcription .
Undergrad D: But .
Grad A: I mean , cuz we 're we Undergrad D: Right .
PhD B: I have such a hard name .
Grad A: I mean , I I can't imagine us doing it ourselves . Right ?
Undergrad D: Well , we already we already  We already have a plan in place for the first meeting .
Grad A: N right .
Undergrad D: Right ? That 's Postdoc E: Well th there is als Yeah , really . There is also the o other possibility which is if you can provide not money but instructional experience or some other perks , you can you could get people to to um , to do it in exchange .
Grad A: Right .
Undergrad D: Well , i b but seriously , I I mean , Morgan 's obviously in a bind over this and thing to do is just the field of dreams theory , which is we we go ahead as though there will be money at the time that we need the money .
Grad A: Mm - hmm .
PhD B: Yeah .
Undergrad D: And that 's that 's the best we can do .
Grad A: Right .
PhD B: Right .
Undergrad D: i b To not do anything until we get money is is ridiculous .
Grad A: Right .
Undergrad D: We 're not gonna do any get anything done if we do that .
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
PhD B: Yeah .
Grad A: So at any rate , Jane was looking into the possibility of getting students , at is that right ? Talking to people about that ?
Postdoc E: I 'm afraid I haven't made any progress in that front yet .
Grad A: OK .
Postdoc E: I should 've sent email and I haven't yet .
Grad A: Yeah , right . So , uh Undergrad D: I d do So until you actually have a little experience with what this this French thing does we don't even have Postdoc E: And I do have Grad A: She 's already done quite a bit .
Undergrad D: Oh , we have .
Postdoc E: I have a bunch of hours ,
Grad A: Yeah .
Undergrad D: I 'm sorry . So that 's where you came up with the f the ten X number ?
Postdoc E: yeah .
Undergrad D: Or is that really just a guess ?
Postdoc E: Actually that 's the the one people usually use , ten X .
PhD C: How fast are you ?
Postdoc E: And I haven't really calculated How fast am I ?
Undergrad D: Yeah i
Postdoc E: I haven't done a s see , I 've been at the same time doing kind of a boot strapping in deciding on the transcription conventions that that are  you know , and and stuff like , you know , how much PhD B: Mmm .
PhD C: Right .
Postdoc E: There 's some interesting human factors problems like , yeah , what span of of time is it useful to segment the thing into in order to uh , transcribe it the most quickly .
PhD B: Yeah .
Postdoc E: Cuz then , you know , you get like  if you get a span of five words , that 's easy .
PhD B: Yeah .
Postdoc E: But then you have to take the time to mark it . And then there 's the issue of it 's easier to  hear it th right the first time if you 've marked it at a boundary instead of somewhere in the middle ,
PhD B: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc E: cuz then the word 's bisected or whatever and And so I mean , I 've been sort of playing with , uh , different ways of mar cuz I 'm thinking , you know , I mean , if you could get optimal instructions you could cut back on the number of hours it would take .
PhD B: Yeah .
Undergrad D: D does uh this tool you 're using is strictly it doesn't do any speech recognition does it ?
Grad A: No .
Postdoc E: No , it doesn't but what a super tool . It 's a great environment .
Undergrad D: But but is there anyway to to wire a speech recognizer up to it and actually run it through Postdoc E: That 's an interesting idea .
Grad A: We 've we 've thought about doing that
Postdoc E: Hey !
Grad A: but the recognition quality is gonna be horrendous .
Undergrad D: Well , a couple things .
PhD B: Wow .
Undergrad D: First of all the time marking you 'd get you could get by a tool .
PhD B: That 's true .
Undergrad D: And so if the if if the issue really
Postdoc E: That 's interesting .
Undergrad D: uh , I 'm think about the close caption that you see running by on on live news casts .
Grad A: Most of those are done by a person .
Undergrad D: You know , yo I know I know that .
Postdoc E: Yeah , I
Undergrad D: No , I understand . And in a lot of them you see typos and things like that ,
Grad A: Mm - hmm .
Undergrad D: but it but it occurs to me that it may be a lot easier to correct things than it is to do things from scratch , no matter how wonderful the tool is .
Grad A: Yeah . Yeah , we Undergrad D: But if if there was a way to merge the two PhD C: Well , I mean , but sometimes it 's easier to type out something instead of going through and figuring out which is the right Grad A: I mean , we 've talked about it
Postdoc E: That 'd be fun .
Grad A: but PhD C: I mean , it depends on the error rate , right ?
Undergrad D: Well s but but again the timing is for fr should be for free . The timing should be PhD C: But we don't care about the timing of the words .
Undergrad D: Well I thought you just that 's said that was a critical issue .
Grad A: We don't care about the timing of the words , just of the utterances .
Postdoc E: No , uh the the boundary PhD C: We cut it s s
PhD B: We don't we don't know , actually .
Postdoc E: boundary .
PhD B: We haven't decided which which time we care about , and that 's kind of one of the things that you 're saying , is like  you have the option to put in more or less timing data and , uh , be in the absence of more specific instructions , we 're trying to figure out what the most convenient thing to do is .
Grad A: Yeah , so so what what she 's done so far , is sort of more or less breath g not breath groups , {comment} sort of phrases , continuous phrases .
PhD B: Yeah .
Grad A: And so , um , that 's nice because you you separate when you do an extract , you get a little silence on either end . So that seems to work really well .
Postdoc E: That 's ideal .
Grad A: Um .
PhD B: Yeah .
Postdoc E: Although I was I you know , the alternative , which I was sort of experimenting with before I ran out of time , recently was , um  that , you know , ev if it were like an arbitrary segment of time i t pre - marked cuz it does take time to put those markings in .
PhD B: Yeah .
Postdoc E: It 's really the i the interface is wonderful because , you know , the time it takes is you listen to it , and then you press the return key . But then , you know , it 's like , uh , you press the tab key to stop the flow and  and , uh , the return key to p to put in a marking of the boundary . But , you know , obviously there 's a lag between when you hear it and when you can press the return key
PhD B: Yeah .
Postdoc E: so it 's slightly delayed , so then you you listen to it a second time and move it over to here .
Undergrad D: a
Postdoc E: So that takes time .
Undergrad D: i a
Postdoc E: Now if it could all be pre - marked at some , l you know , good Undergrad D: ar but
Grad A: Hmm .
Undergrad D: Are are those d delays adjustable ? Those delays adjustable ? See a lot of people who actually build stuff with human computer interfaces understand that delay ,
PhD B: Yeah .
Undergrad D: and and so when you by the time you click it it 'll be right on because it 'll go back in time to put the Postdoc E: Yeah .
PhD B: It could do that
Postdoc E: Yeah , uh , not in this case .
Grad A: We could program that pretty easily ,
PhD B: couldn't it .
Postdoc E: It has other Grad A: couldn't we Dan ? Yeah , mis Mister TCL ?
PhD B: Yeah .
Postdoc E: Oh , interesting point .
PhD B: I would have thought so , yeah .
Postdoc E: Ah ! {comment} Interesting point .
PhD B: Mmm .
Postdoc E: OK , that would make a difference .
Grad A: But , um Postdoc E: I mean , it 's not bad
Grad A: But , if we tried to do automatic speaker ID .
Postdoc E: but it does take twice .
Grad A: I mean , cuz primarily the markings are at speaker change .
PhD B: Yeah , yeah , but Grad A: But that would be PhD B: But we 've got we 've got the most channel data . We 'd have to do it from your signal . Right . I mean , we 've we 've got we 've got a lot of data .
Postdoc E: Oh , good point ! Ah !
Grad A: Yeah , I guess the question is how much time will it really save us versus the time to write all the tools to do it .
Postdoc E: We 've got volume .
PhD B: Right . but the chances are if we if we 're talking about collecting ten or a hundred hours , which is going to take a hundred or a thousand hours to transcribe Undergrad D: If Grad A: But Undergrad D: if we can go from ten X to five X we 're doing a big Grad A: We 're gonna need we 're gonna need ten to a hundred hours to train the tools , and validate the tools the do the d to to do all this anyway .
PhD C: Right . So maybe Postdoc E: Wow .
PhD B: If we 're just doing silence detection Postdoc E: But but it op
Grad A: I knew you were gonna do that . Just saw it coming .
Postdoc E: I 'm sorry . I wish you had told me wish you 'd told me .
Undergrad D: Put put it on your sweater .
Postdoc E: At what part ? OK , I 'm alright .
PhD B: Um , i it seems like Well , uh , I don't know . Yeah . I mean , it it 's it 's maybe like  a week 's work to get to do something like this . So forty or fifty hours .
PhD C: Right .
Postdoc E: Could you get it so that with so it would it would detect volume on a channel and insert a marker ? And the the format 's really transparent .
PhD B: Sure .
PhD C: Yeah .
Postdoc E: It 's just a matter of a very c clear it 's XML , isn't it ?
Grad A: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc E: It 's very I mean , I looked at the the file format and it 's just it has a t a time  a time indication and then something or other , and then an end time or something or other .
PhD C: So maybe maybe we could try the following experiment . Take the data that you 've already transcribed
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
PhD C: and Undergrad D: Is this already in the past or already in the future ?
PhD C: Already in the past .
Undergrad D: You 've already you 've already done some ?
Grad A: She 's she 's done about half a meeting .
PhD C: She she 's done one she 's one Postdoc E: Yes I have .
Undergrad D: Oh - Oh , I see .
PhD C: Right .
Undergrad D: OK ,
Grad A: Right ?
PhD C: Right .
Undergrad D: good .
Grad A: About half ?
PhD C: I 'm go
Postdoc E: S I 'm not sure if it 's that 's much but anyway , enough to work with .
PhD C: Right .
PhD B: Several minutes .
PhD C: Um , and and throw out the words , but keep the time markings . And then go through I mean , and go through and and try and re - transcribe it , given that we had perfect boundary detection .
Postdoc E: OK . Good idea .
PhD C: And see if it see if it see if it feels easier to you .
Postdoc E: OK .
Undergrad D: And forgetting all the words because you 've been thr
Postdoc E: Yeah , that 's what I was thinking . I 'd I 'd be cheating a little bit g with familiarity effect .
PhD C: Yeah , I mean uh , that 's part of the problem is , is that what we really need is somebody else to come along .
PhD B: Well , no , you should do it you should do it  Do it again from scratch and then do it again at the boundaries . So you do the whole thing three times and then we get PhD C: Yeah .
Postdoc E: No . Now , there 's a plan .
Undergrad D: And then then w since we need some statistics do it three more .
Postdoc E: OK .
Undergrad D: And so you 'll get you 'll get down to one point two X by the time you get done .
Postdoc E: Oh , yeah . I 'll do that tomorrow . I should have it finished by the end of the day .
Undergrad D: No , but the thing is the fact that she 's she 's did it before just might give a lower bound . That 's all .
PhD B: Yeah .
PhD C: Right .
Undergrad D: Uh , which is fine .
Postdoc E: Exactly .
Undergrad D: It 's And if the lower bound is nine X then w it 's a waste of time .
Postdoc E: Yeah .
PhD C: Right .
Postdoc E: Well , uh but there 's an extra problem which is that I didn't really keep accurate PhD B: Oh !
Postdoc E: uh , it wasn't a pure task the first time ,
PhD B: Yeah .
Postdoc E: so  uh , it 's gonna be an upper bound in in that case . And it 's not really strictly comparable . So I think though it 's a good proposal to be used on a new a new batch of text that I haven't yet done yet in the same meeting . Could use it on the next segment of the text .
PhD B: The point we where do we get the the the oracle boundaries from ?
PhD C: Right .
PhD B: Or the boundaries .
Grad A: Yeah , one person would have to assign the boundaries and the and the other person would have to Postdoc E: Well , but couldn't I do it for the next PhD B: We we we could get fake Grad A: I mean that 's easy enough .
Postdoc E: Oh , I see what you mean .
Grad A: I could do that .
Postdoc E: Well , but the oracle boundaries would come from volume on a partic specific channel wouldn't they ?
Grad A: No , no .
PhD B: That would be the automatic boundaries .
PhD C: No , no , no , no . You wanna know given Given a perfect human segmentation , I mean , you wanna know how well Postdoc E: Yeah .
PhD C: I mean , the the question is , is it worth giving you the segmentation ?
Postdoc E: Oh , I see what you mean .
Grad A: I mean , that that 's easy enough .
PhD C: Right .
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Grad A: I could generate the segmentation and and you could do the words , and time yourself on it . So .
Undergrad D: A little double - blind - ear kind of thing .
Grad A: Yep .
Postdoc E: I see . OK .
Grad A: So it that might be worth doing .
Postdoc E: That 's good . I like that .
Grad A: That would at least tell us whether it 's worth spending a week or two trying to get a tool , that will compute the segmentations .
PhD C: Right .
Undergrad D: And the thing to keep in mind too about this tool , guys is that sure , you can do the computation for what we 're gonna do in the future but if if UW 's talking about doing two , or three , or five times as much stuff and they can use the same tool , then obviously there 's a real multiplier there .
Grad A: Right .
Postdoc E: And the other thing too is with with speaker identification , if if that could handle speaker identification that 's a big deal .
PhD B: Well it w
PhD C: Right .
Undergrad D: Well , use it . Yeah , that 's why we s bought the expensive microphones .
Postdoc E: OK . Yeah , I mean , that 's a nice feature .
Grad A: Yep .
PhD B: Yeah , yeah .
Postdoc E: That 's a major that 's like , one of the two things that PhD C: I mean , there 's gonna there 's gonna be in the meeting , like the reading group meeting that we had the other day , that 's it 's gonna be a bit of a problem
PhD B: OK .
PhD C: because , like , I wasn't wearing a microphone
PhD B: Yes .
PhD C: f and there were other people that weren't wearing microphones .
Grad A: That Undergrad D: But you didn't say anything worth while anyway , right ?
Grad A: That 'll s
PhD B: Right .
PhD C: That 's pretty much true
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Grad A: it might save ninety percent of the work though .
PhD C: but but , yes .
Grad A: So .
PhD B: So I I need to we need to look at what what the final output is but it seems like we it doesn't it seems like it 's not really not that hard to have an automatic tool to generate the phrase marks , and the speaker , and speaker identity without putting in the words .
Grad A: Yeah . I 've already become pretty familiar with the format ,
Postdoc E: That 'd be so great .
Grad A: so it would be easy .
PhD B: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc E: Yeah . Yeah .
Grad A: If you 'd tell me where it is , huh ?
Postdoc E: We didn't finish the the part of work already completed on this , did we ? I mean , you  you talked a little bit about the transcription conventions ,
Grad A: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc E: and , I guess you 've mentioned in your progress report , or status report , that you had written a script to convert it into So , I when I i the it 's quickest for me in terms of the transcription part to say something like , you know , if  if Adam spoke to , um to just say , " A colon " , Like who could be , you know , I mean at the beginning of the line .
PhD B: Mmm .
Postdoc E: and E colon instead of entering the interface for speaker identification and clicking on the thing , uh , indicating the speaker ID . So , and then he has a script that will convert it into the the thing that , uh , would indicate speaker ID .
Grad A: It 's pretty cute .
Postdoc E: If that 's clear .
PhD C: OK .
Grad A: But at any rate . So , um ,
Postdoc E: It 's Perl script .
Grad A: Right . So so I think the guess at ten X seems to be pretty standard . Everyone more or less everyone you talk to says about ten times for hard technical transcription .
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
Undergrad D: Using wh using stone age
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Undergrad D: using stone age tools .
Postdoc E: That 's right .
Grad A: Using using stone age tools . I mean , I looked at Cyber Transcriber
Postdoc E: Yeah , well that 's true , but Grad A: which is a service that you send an audio file , they do a first - pass speech recognition . And then they they do a clean up . But it 's gonna be horrible . They 're never gonna be able to do a meeting like this .
PhD B: No .
Undergrad D: Right .
Postdoc E: What i just approximately , what did you find out in terms of price or or whatever ?
Grad A: Well , for Cyber Transcriber they don't quote a price . They want you to call and and talk . So for other services , um , they were about thirty dollars an hour .
Postdoc E: Of of tape ?
Grad A: Thirty So , yeah .
Postdoc E: Or of action ?
Grad A: For thirty dollars an hour for of their work .
Postdoc E: OK . OK . Oh , of their Grad A: So so if it 's ten times it 's three hundred dollars an hour .
Postdoc E: Oh !
PhD C: So that 's three that 's three hours .
Postdoc E: OK .
Undergrad D: D did you talk to anybody that does closed captioning for for uh , TV ?
PhD C: Right .
Grad A: No .
Undergrad D: Cuz they a usually at the end of the show they 'll tell what the name of the company is , the captioning company that 's doing it .
Grad A: Mm - hmm . Yeah , so so my my search was pretty cursory .
Postdoc E: Interesting .
Grad A: It was just a net search . And , uh , so it was only people who have web pages and are doing stuff through that .
Undergrad D: Well , you know , the the thing the thing about this is thinking kind of , maybe a little more globally than I should here but {comment} that really this could be a big contribution we could make . Uh , I mean , we 've been through the STP thing , we know what it what it 's like to to manage the manage the process , and admittedly they might have been looking for more detail than what we 're looking for here but it was a it was a big hassle , right ?
PhD B: Yeah .
Undergrad D: I mean , uh , you know , they they constantly could 've reminding people and going over it . And clearly some new stuff needs to be done here . And it 's it 's only our time , where " our " of course includes Dan , Dan and you guys . It doesn't include me at all . Uh . j Just seems like PhD B: Yeah , I mean I don't know if we 'd be able to do any thing f to help STP type problems . But certainly for this problem we can do a lot better than Undergrad D: Bec Why ? Because they wanted a lot more detail ?
Grad A: Right .
PhD B: No . Because they had because they only had two speakers , right ? I mean , the the segmentation problem is Grad A: Trivial .
Undergrad D: Only had two .
Grad A: They had two speakers over the telephone .
Undergrad D: Oh , I see . So what took them so long ?
Grad A: Um , mostly because they were doing much lower level time .
PhD B: Yeah .
Grad A: So they were doing phone and syllable transcription , as well as , uh , word transcription .
Undergrad D: Right . Right .
PhD C: Right .
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
Grad A: And so we 're w we decided early on that we were not gonna do that .
Undergrad D: I see . But there 's still the same issue of managing the process , of  of reviewing and keeping the files straight , and all this stuff , that which is clearly a hassle .
Grad A: Yep .
PhD B: Yeah .
Grad A: Right . And so so what I 'm saying is that if we hire an external service I think we can expect three hundred dollars an hour .
PhD B: Yeah .
Grad A: I think that 's the ball park . There were several different companies that  and the the range was very tight for technical documents . Twenty - eight to thirty - two dollars an hour .
PhD C: And who who knows if they 're gonna be able to m manage multal multiple channel data ?
PhD B: Yeah , they won't .
Grad A: They won't .
PhD B: They w they 'll refuse to do it .
Grad A: We 'll have to mix them .
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
PhD B: Yeah .
PhD C: Right .
PhD B: No , but I mean , they they they won't they won't they will refuse to transcribe this kind of material .
Postdoc E: And then there 's the problem also that PhD B: That 's not what they 're d quoting for , right ?
Grad A: Yes , it is .
Undergrad D: Well , they might  they might quote it PhD B: For quoting meetings ?
Grad A: Sev - several of them say that they 'll do meetings , and conferences , and s and so on . None of them specifically said that they would do speaker ID , or speaker change mark .
PhD B: Wow . Yeah .
Grad A: They all just said transcription .
Undergrad D: Th - th the th there may be just multiplier for five people costs twice as much and for ten people co {comment} Something like that .
PhD B: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
Grad A: Well , the the way it worked is it it was scaled . So what they had is , if it 's an easy task it costs twenty - four dollars an hour and it will take maybe five or six times real time . And what they said is for the hardest tasks , bad acoustics , meeting settings , it 's thirty - two dollars an hour and it takes about ten times real time . So I think that we can count on that being about what they would do .
PhD B: I see . Yeah .
Grad A: It would probably be a little more
PhD B: Right .
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Grad A: because we 're gonna want them to do speaker marking .
Undergrad D: A lot of companies I 've worked for y the , uh the person leading the meeting , the executive or whatever , would sort of go around the room and and mentally calculate h how many dollars per hour this meeting was costing ,
Grad A: So .
Undergrad D: right ? In university atmosphere you get a little different thing . But you know , it 's a lot like , " he 's worth fifty an hour , he 's worth " And so he so here we 're thinking , " well let 's see , if the meeting goes another hour it 's going to be another thousand dollars . " You know ? It 's Grad A: Yep , we have to have a short meeting .
Undergrad D: So ch So every everybody ta Talk really fast .
Postdoc E: That 's very interesting .
Grad A: Stop talking !
PhD B: Yeah .
Undergrad D: Let 's get it over with .
Postdoc E: Talk slowly but with few words .
Grad A: And clearly .
PhD B: That 's right .
Undergrad D: And only talk when you 're pointed to .
Postdoc E: There you go .
Grad A: Content words only .
Postdoc E: We could have some telegraphic meetings . That might be interesting .
PhD B: Yeah , it 'd be cheap .
Undergrad D :
PhD B: Cheap to transcribe .
Grad A: So . But at any rate , so we we have a ballpark on how much it would cost if we send it out .
Undergrad D: And we 're talking about do doing how many hours worth of meetings ?
Grad A: Thirty or forty .
Undergrad D: So thirty or forty thousand dollars .
PhD B: Well , for ten thousand dollars .
Postdoc E: Yeah .
PhD C: So , meanwhile Undergrad D: Oh . What Well , it was thirty times PhD B: Three hundred .
Grad A: Three hundred dollars an hour .
Undergrad D: Oh , I 'm sorry , three hundred .
Grad A: Right .
Undergrad D: Right , I w got an extra factor of three there .
PhD C: So it 's thirty dollars an hour , essentially , right ?
Undergrad D: Yeah .
PhD C: But we can pay a graduate student seven dollars an hour . And the question is what 's the difference PhD B: How how much lower are they ?
PhD C: or ei eight dollars . What do you know what the going rate is ? It 's it 's on the order of eight to ten .
Postdoc E: I think uh that would give us a a good good estimate .
PhD C: I think . But I 'm not sure .
Postdoc E: I 'd I 'd say PhD B: Ten .
Postdoc E: yeah , I was gonna say eight you 'd say ten ?
PhD C: Let 's say ten .
PhD B: Yeah , give them a break .
PhD C: Cuz it 's easier .
Undergrad D: The - these are not for engineering graduate students , right ?
Grad A: Right , these are linguistics grad students . Six .
PhD C: Yeah , I I I don't I don't know what the I don't know what the standard Undergrad D: That 's right .
PhD C: but there is a standard pay scale
Grad A: Mm - hmm .
PhD C: I just don't know what it is .
Postdoc E: Yeah , that 's right . That 's right .
PhD C: Um , so that means that even if it takes them thirty times real time it 's cheaper to to do graduate students .
Postdoc E: And there 's another aspect too .
Grad A: I mean , that 's why I said originally , that I couldn't imagine sending it out 's gonna be cheaper .
PhD B: No , it isn't . So .
Postdoc E: The other thing too is that , uh , if they were linguistics they 'd be you know , in terms of like the post editing , i uh tu uh content wise they might be easier to handle cuz they might get it more right the first time .
Grad A: And also we would have control of I mean , we could give them feedback . Whereas if we do a service it 's gonna be limited amount .
PhD B: Yep , yep .
Postdoc E: Mmm .
Grad A: I mean , we can't tell them , you know , " for this meeting we really wanna mark stress
Postdoc E: Good point .
PhD B: Yep .
Grad A: and for this meeting we want "
PhD B: No .
Postdoc E: Good point .
Grad A: And and they 're not gonna provide they 're not gonna provide stress , they 're not gonna re provide repairs , they 're not gonna provide they they may or may not provide speaker ID . So that we would have to do our own tools to do that . So Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
Grad A: I just PhD B: Yeah .
Undergrad D: Just hypoth hypothetically assuming that that we go ahead and ended up using graduate students . I who who 's the person in charge ? Who 's gonna be the Steve here ?
Grad A: I hope it 's Jane .
Undergrad D: You ?
Grad A: Is that alright ?
Postdoc E: Oh , interesting . Um , now would this involve some manner of uh , monetary compensation or would I be the voluntary , uh , coordinator of multiple transcribers for checking ?
Grad A: Um , I would imagine there would be some monetary involved but we 'd have to talk to Morgan about it .
PhD B: Yeah , out of out of Adam 's pocket .
PhD C: Yeah .
Postdoc E: OK .
Undergrad D: You know , it just means you have to stop working for Dave . See ?
Postdoc E: Oh ,
Undergrad D: That 's why Dave should have been here .
Postdoc E: I don't wanna stop working for Dave .
Undergrad D: To pr protect his people .
Grad A: Well , I would like you to do it because you have a lot more experience than I do ,
Postdoc E: Oh , cool . Yeah .
Grad A: but if if that 's not feasible , I will do it with you as an advisor .
Postdoc E: Uh - huh .
Undergrad D: W we 'd like you to do it and we 'd like to pay you .
Postdoc E: We 'll see .
PhD B: Yeah .
Undergrad D: Not being Morgan though , it 's Postdoc E: OK .
PhD C: Right .
Postdoc E: Oh , I see .
PhD B: We 'd like to . Unfortunately Postdoc E: Well Undergrad D: Yeah .
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Grad A: Yeah , six dollars an hour .
Postdoc E: Yeah , I see .
PhD C: That 's a Undergrad D: And and then Postdoc E: OK . Boy , if I wanted to increase my income I could start doing the transcribing again .
PhD B: Yeah , that 's right . Yeah .
Undergrad D: an an an and be and be sure and say , would you like fries with that when you 're thinking about your pay scale .
Postdoc E: I see . Good . Yeah , no , that I I would be interested in that in becoming involved in the project in some aspect like that Grad A: OK . More .
Postdoc E: more . Yeah . Uh - huh . Yeah .
Grad A: Um , any more on transcript we wanna talk about ?
PhD B: What s so what are you so you 've done some portion of the first meeting . And what 's your plan ?
Postdoc E: Yes . Mm - hmm .