Project Manager: Um Minimal number of buttons . I guess our , I guess our main um main thing that we should focus on until then is probably deciding on a certain look , you know .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Right . That's Project Manager: Did you have time earlier to to work on that . Did you guys feel you have enough time in between our meetings to get everything done that you need to get done ?
Marketing: Not really . User Interface: I'll yeah I'll have a look , try look at the actual appearance in the next break .
Project Manager: 'Kay .
User Interface: I th I I do still think it needs to be something that is ultimately one-handed . The ball is probably not a good idea .
Marketing: Mm .
User Interface: And even something that's held like that might be difficult .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: So that I think it still has to be a variation . On maybe a a rect on a rectangle but maybe not necessarily as boring , as plain as a rectangle .
Marketing: Mm .
Project Manager: Um Shall we maybe shoot for a a specific uh target group ? That way we could l I mean if it were , if we were shooting for young guys then it's um a certain look to the remote . Or girls or older people ? Um Would that you think that would help us find um a specific form ? That we would would wanna pick out ?
User Interface: D I don't know if that might cope with like the trend-watching . I find anything more on that .
Marketing: Mm . Yeah not yet but maybe by the next meeting we'll have some info on that .
Project Manager: 'Kay . So um we know that the remote's gonna have to be  we'll just say we've got a colour scheme for it . Um yellow and User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: you know yellow it's nice and bright , with the buttons being grey or black .
Industrial Designer: Mm .
Project Manager: And our slogan pasted somewhere on it , on the the bottom
Marketing: Project Manager: or the
User Interface: Bottom perhaps
Project Manager: you know . Um User Interface: yeah .
Project Manager: Maybe we could sketch a so basically all of our remotes all of our typical remotes now are just kind of a rectangular sort . You know . Um maybe we could flare it or something . You know . So it's more of course this will look like a bone then .
Marketing: Industrial Designer: Project Manager:  go ahead and erase this . Um Hope everyone memorised that uh  User Interface: You I mean it might be to look at sort of the the shape and trend of like things like mobile phones , and the shapes that the they've been going .
Project Manager: Yeah . Yeah .
Marketing: Mm .
User Interface: They've gone from big brick block things , which is a remote control is , to sort of slinky small things .
Project Manager: Yeah everybody's got a mobile phone right ? Except for me now . Uh User Interface: Marketing: Project Manager: But they are all ,
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: you know , mobile phones um they've kind of taken a turn to where they're really small . Um which may defeat our purpose for being able to locate our remote all the time .
User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Right .
Project Manager: But then again you don't want you know like the first mobile phone that was this big
Marketing: Project Manager: and you had a handbag to carry it around in . Um User Interface: Project Manager: So we've got basically what remotes look like now is kind of what we're what we're stuck with . Um  Maybe we could go with a square or something . Um Industrial Designer: Hm .
Project Manager: Um you know with minimal number of buttons . I guess you've got you know one through nine . For typing in your channels . Uh you've got volume , up and down . Channel up and down .
Marketing: Power .
Project Manager: Power . Usually at the top . Um a mute .
Industrial Designer: That's the classical design .
Project Manager: That's that's pretty much all you need I think . Um A menu button , maybe .
Industrial Designer: Right .
Project Manager: So you know . If you , if we want the remote to do other things like um or I guess the T_V_ to be able to change the tint and the colour and you know all those kind of things that are built into T_V_s , we just have that under one standard menu button where you go in , press the menu button , scroll up and down to select it .
Marketing: Yeah . Industrial Designer: Yeah . Project Manager: Um Industrial Designer: Talking of which maybe a scrolling function is not not too bad .
Project Manager: 'Kay so Industrial Designer: It's Project Manager: Um Industrial Designer: Talk about maybe  f look at that from the side , there maybe .
Marketing: Industrial Designer: Which is technically the easiest option . Would probably be like a scrolling , little scrolling wheel like this .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . So .
Project Manager: Like a wheel on your mouse .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , sort of like that .
Project Manager: Sort of .
Industrial Designer: You can even if we're coming from mice , we can even add a click function , where you , in order to verify the information you just press it down . Right .
Project Manager: 'S a good idea .
Industrial Designer: Also when it comes to the ergonomics of the whole thing , if you wanna make it square for the looks of it , then maybe to make it more comfortable to hold the whole thing , you add a little bulge down here . Just which maybe from an engineering point this could be holding the the batteries and so on .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: I know . You know what I'm getting at here ,
Project Manager: Look g yeah . Looks good .
Industrial Designer: fel look at it from the side . It's like that .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Right . Uh Then you hold it in your hand like this . And maybe you bring the buttons nearer to the or the imp more important buttons nearer to the to the side .
User Interface: Yes Project Manager: To the thumb . Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Right . Mm .
User Interface: To the thumb yeah . Maybe the buttons could like uh decrease in s the bigger ones you know they could actually be bigger in size than the ones that are less important , the smaller here .
Industrial Designer: Right . You can also have it , maybe , talking about mobile phones again , sliding open . With the lesser used functions on this part ,
User Interface: Yeah . Behind .
Industrial Designer: and then it slides into that part . And out .
User Interface: Definitely . just like o on a sort of side view . Something that you know it would sort of fit in the hand better . So you know you just sort of have your hand
Industrial Designer: Mm well I was just thinking , this this of course causes
User Interface: Yeah . Right on the and your thumb would be up here type thing .
Industrial Designer: causes a problem um for left or right-handed people actually . So .
User Interface: Yeah that's also true . instantly sort of always going for the right-handed person .
Industrial Designer: Right .
User Interface: But I mean the older so
Project Manager: Yeah is everyone who in here's right-handed , left-handed ? You guys all right-handed ?
Marketing: Right .
Industrial Designer: Right .
User Interface: Right-handed ,
Project Manager: Yeah . So
User Interface: yeah .
Project Manager: I'm left-handed but I , so I can say that most things are designed for right-handed people .
Industrial Designer:  That's right .
Marketing: Uh-huh .
Project Manager: Like the written language . Or English .
Industrial Designer: User Interface: Marketing: Maybe you could buy like a special left-handed version of the remote . Special order .
Project Manager: Maybe . Ow . I would say I mean it should be probably designed for a right-handed p person .
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: Um but that's that's good . That's w I think we've got a kind of a good plan there . Um At least for what buttons we're gonna use . Um So we've got uh I like the scroll , the scroll action and the  .
User Interface: I mean I'm just just thinking maybe if it was um circular um with the sort of that sort of  the sort of early idea we had , with the way that was more like that , whereas this is just a one-handed thing that you sort of almost wrap round the thumb . So you'd have your , you'd put your hand into there with the thumb there . And then your thumb would do you'd have all the buttons sort of round here . And that I think could work . On any hand . If you just had it like wrapped round there . Left or right .
Project Manager: Yeah . Kinda like holding a Marketing: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Right . That minimises it size-wise as well .
User Interface: Minimise its size . It could be you know really quite small .
Industrial Designer: Mm . Then there's maybe another point of making it a two-in-one kind of thing . If we have a smaller a smaller device that actually fits into the big one . You give it the full functions in here , and just a couple of functions in there . Like your zap zapping device is just u channels up-down , uh volume , and on-off .
User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: Hmm .
User Interface: Zapping functions .
Industrial Designer: That's it .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Maybe . Marketing: Could be good .
Project Manager: So two remotes in one . But then would be easier to lose one or the other .
Industrial Designer: That's right . Means the big one has to be sufficiently big . And perhaps heavy , so you can't move it around .
Marketing: Yeah , yeah . Project Manager: It actually is your coffee table .
Industrial Designer: Make it a piece of furniture .
User Interface: Industrial Designer:  yes . Yes , there you go .
User Interface: Industrial Designer: Or a statue or something . Project Manager: Okay . Well we need to finish up here . Um So for the next So for the next um before the next meeting w uh sh shall we work on you're watching trends to see what what kind of new information we've got going on . Um Marketing: Mm-hmm .
User Interface: Yep .
Project Manager: Manuel you're going to work on the components for for what we're gonna use .
Industrial Designer: Right .
Project Manager: Let's go with our our uh rounded kind of fit in your hand let's explore uh the the uh possibility of having the two-piece . So one for the the quick zapping um and possibly one you know with just that rounded part that fits into your hand . Um