Industrial Designer: Okay . Well , the working design . The method I used is uh search the web . Just the web page provided . Um Basically I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated , but uh I could figure it out . Um basically what happens is you press a button , uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button , uh like a switch . And by closing that certain circuit , the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed . So like you press a one , that circuit is closed and uh Then the chip produces a pattern . Like a Morse code to uh And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_ . That's the uh light emitting diode , I think . Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light . That's un uh invisible to the human eye . And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_ . However it has also an uh a visible uh diode that's uh blinking red if you look in it . And that's uh another diode , I believe .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Because infrared is not visible . So that's er uh do two different things
Project Manager: So we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it ?
Industrial Designer: but Yeah . I I think so . User Interface: Uh j Is Industrial Designer: I I'm not sure if it's the same thing .
Project Manager: Yeah , it's I think it's usable .
User Interface: Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting ?
Marketing: Yeah , that's active .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Or just a green one ,
User Interface: So Project Manager: because it's If you use it , it's green or the red , it's r green .
User Interface: Yeah . Maybe uh Marketing: I I think it's in the case that it's active . It's not uh Project Manager: Yeah , that's right .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , when you press it .
Project Manager: But if you Industrial Designer: So Marketing: I it's it's just uh the the Project Manager: Red's l shows up like something's wrong ,
Industrial Designer: Two ?
Project Manager: and green is like it's okay , you press the button .
Marketing: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , I dunno .
User Interface: Maybe depends on uh Industrial Designer: Ma on on most on most uh uh remote controls it's red .
Project Manager: Yeah , I know .
User Interface: Yes .
Industrial Designer: So Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: Okay , we make it red .
User Interface: But maybe Industrial Designer: So
User Interface: Well
Industrial Designer: I know .
User Interface: we don't have to make it red . Maybe integrate it in the design as well .
Project Manager: You have to The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons . Uh that's cool . Industrial Designer: I I think uh the batteries will be uh a little User Interface: Uh  Oh ,
Marketing: Empty .
User Interface: maybe it's it is would an e No . Just uh  Project Manager: No , we have a recharger in it , so User Interface: Oh .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , okay .
Project Manager: If we can still make that then  Industrial Designer: Uh maybe .
User Interface: Yeah , but it doesn't have to be red .
Marketing: Industrial Designer: User Interface: It's just to indicate something's on .
Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . That it's working . That it's not not the batteries are low .
Project Manager: But it's cool if it was green .
User Interface: Yeah . It's it's not very important ,
Project Manager: Green or red or whatever , it is cool . User Interface: so yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , I know . Just to indicate it's working .
User Interface: So mm Industrial Designer: And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern . So we have to understand what patterns are used to , you know , to make it universal . So that it can be used with all the T_V_s . We have to really understand what patterns are used , so we can uh o On the Otherwise it won't work .
User Interface: So we have to uh make buttons for that as well , to make it uh Industrial Designer: No . I I uh The chip um uh is producing the pattern . So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to , y you know , to User Interface: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: An automatically search function for each television , or something .
Industrial Designer: That are working . Yeah , or I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works . It wasn't explained there .
User Interface: Well , I I use a universal uh remote control ,
Marketing: Uh I kno
User Interface: and list of all the T_V_s you have , etcetera . And you have to put in a number , so it works on your T_V_ .
Industrial Designer: Yeah ? Okay .
Marketing: Oh , I have a modern one .
User Interface: Industrial Designer: Marketing: And the modern one you you uh you type uh search , and the LED began to blink blink blink . And uh uh uh after uh a short time the television turns off . And then you know , oh it it's the right one . And you can stop it ,
Industrial Designer: Ah okay .
Marketing: and then it's okay . So you don't have to search for your television or your code .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Marketing: It uh search uh the pattern for itself .
User Interface: Okay ,
Industrial Designer: Okay , yeah .
User Interface: so we use that .
Industrial Designer: So it uh We have to make a a s a bit more intelligent chip than the standard one . Because you have to Marketing: Yes .
User Interface: Yep .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: I just say Can you s just say it again , because I was just looking There's just a short Industrial Designer: Uh okay . Well uh y you have this chip .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: That's uh when the circuit is closed , it produces the pattern .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: But uh ma basically for uh brands of T_V_ these patterns are different . So like when you press a one on one T_V_ it go go to one . And on the other T_V_ it won't work , basically . So uh basically what you have to do is uh get these patterns right .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: And uh by d uh that can be done by uh just uh cha yeah , changing this pattern all the time .
Marketing: Changing the signal .
Industrial Designer: And um What he's doing when he's configuring this pattern , this chip , uh is trying to switch off the television . And when it's uh switched off , you can push a button as uh it's working now , so And then he saves that setting
Project Manager: Okay . Yeah .
Industrial Designer: and then um it's working .
Marketing: Yeah , that's the right uh option .
Industrial Designer: Okay . Well uh the components .
Marketing: Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's a bit technical , and I hadn't I w I was a little short on time . Um but I think I understand it . Um the energy source is uh the battery , basically .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Um that's connecting to all the components .
Project Manager: Industrial Designer: Because it has to be fed with energy . Okay . Uh the subcomponent is uh w I I think it is uh the button pressed . So basically when you press a button , a switch get closed . Um that's connecting to a chip . So the chip knows what button you pressed . And the chip sends out uh the pattern to the infrared bulb . I didn didn't put the description by this one . Th this is a normal bulb . So the normal flashing light .
Project Manager: Okay . So that's the LED , L_E_D_ .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah , and this is a LED too .
Marketing: Industrial Designer: But this one is producing infrared light
Project Manager: Yeah , okay .
Industrial Designer: that's invisible . And this one is producing normal light .
Project Manager: So we can make the normal one also a normal light . Not a LED light , but as a normal one . To flash up your  Industrial Designer: Yeah Marketing: Uh if you if you use the buttons , uh both of them works . But one you can't see and one indicates that you use a button .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , presu Yeah yeah yeah . Because uh when you button press a button and it doesn't work , it can Basically if the battery is low , it won't work .
Marketing: Yeah . Yeah , and Project Manager: Maybe you have to uh put uh a small light around the button you push . So you see green if you push that button .
Industrial Designer: Huh , that's a good idea .
Marketing: Mm I think it's unnecessary power uh you use then .
Project Manager: Yeah , but if you u if you do that , you know that you're uh sending a signal .
User Interface: No , y Yeah .
Marketing: Okay .
Project Manager: And it's you also know which button you p
Marketing: But then have to be on the in the all uh remote control have to be LEDs .
Project Manager: Yeah , that's right . But it Marketing: Everywhere in the r
Project Manager: But does it make any difference for the energy you use ? You got still one LED .
User Interface: No I don't think so , but Yeah , i it it will look different , and I think we need to find something else .
Project Manager: That looks different , yeah .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
User Interface: 'Cause otherwise we will just make another standard , and our uh motto also is Marketing: Is LEDs uh beneath the the buttons ?
User Interface: Yeah , w around the buttons , or in the buttons even .
Marketing: Yeah , okay .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , but mm like when you push it
User Interface: Yeah , then then won't Then you won't see it .
Industrial Designer: n n Yeah . You have your finger over the button . So you can see Marketing: It must be around it then .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . Or or m maybe on top of the A green light is flashing
Marketing: Yeah , then Industrial Designer: or Marketing: Yeah . Not not not not here , but here .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . There . Yeah .
Marketing: Maybe uh Project Manager: The same as a telephone , or a mobile phone , or what do you mean ?
User Interface: Yeah , we're thinking about it .
Project Manager: If you push User Interface: Uh on a mobile phone , in the dark uh
Project Manager: It lights up . Everything lights up . That's a good idea .
User Interface: everything lights up . Why ain't that on a remote control ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: It it only takes a l a little energy and it's not that much .
User Interface: Yeah , if uh a mobile phone a phone can do it , it's Marketing: Okay .
Project Manager: It's f Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Maybe that's a good idea for old people as well .
User Interface: Yeah , i if you're in the dark , you can't see the remote .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: It's only few LEDs . Only four or something . Four LED .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: No , I dunno . But if we use a battery station , which I think we will use Marketing: Yeah ,
Project Manager: Yeah , that's a good idea , okay .
Marketing: I uh Industrial Designer: Yeah . We'll have enough power
Project Manager: Everything agre
Industrial Designer: to Project Manager: Everyone agrees with that , or Okay .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah .
User Interface: Yep .
Marketing: Maybe what Paul said , uh under the on the on the home station , uh a button to uh to call your uh remote control , that it beeps .
Project Manager: Yeah , and then you Okay , yeah . But you have to make a sound device in it then .
User Interface: And also it's Marketing: Yeah , there must be sound in it .
Project Manager: But Industrial Designer: Hmm .
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: Okay , it shouldn't take much Marketing: I dunno .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . B maybe it's that that's a little too hard to make . Especially for that kind of money . Because it's i it has to be Marketing: Mm uh , twenty five Euros , I think we can make it .
User Interface: Uh I th
Industrial Designer: Yeah . Production cost is uh t uh twelve and a half .
Marketing: Bec Twelve and a half , okay . But but we only have to make it for television , and um we must have something special .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , okay .
User Interface: I think uh you also have uh remote controls with a lot of options .
Marketing: So User Interface: But we lose about ninety percent of those options . So I think you can uh Marketing: Uh . We have to give our customers some extras .
User Interface: Yeah . I think we will save money with that .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , okay .
Project Manager: Okay . Are you almost finished or just Industrial Designer: Yeah , the the personal preference , I didn't fill it out .
Project Manager: Okay . Okay .
Industrial Designer: Because I was short on time .
Project Manager: No worry .
Industrial Designer: But um Basically what we could do too is uh have a Bluetooth uh integration .
Project Manager: Yeah , I just want to talk some about some more . So maybe you have to Yeah ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah ?
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: So this Oh , sorry . Wh what's that ? So uh Oh , sorry . We have some new uh project requirements . We have to have a look what they are . They're still in um Uh teletext has become outdated since the popularity of internet . So a teletext option , maybe we have to skip that one . I'm not sure . I don't think so ,
Industrial Designer: No ,
Project Manager: but Industrial Designer: and I I think a lot of people use uh teletext , still use .
Marketing: No .
Project Manager: Yeah , and it's it's on your comp it's on your television . It's only one button . So I don't think it is User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: Uh .
Project Manager: We definitely should use it . Um Industrial Designer: Hmm .
Project Manager: Yeah , that's uh what I told you . The remote control should only be used for a television . So that's maybe easier . And um the the forty plus people , I already told you . Oh no , sorry . Oh , this is a problem . Oh sorry about that . The new product should reach a new market with customers are the younger than forty . So it should be flashy or just more interesting .
Marketing: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Oh . Mm .
User Interface: Okay , that's It changes things .
Project Manager: I'm sorry about that . I just I just didn't read it well .
Marketing: Project Manager: So does it make some decision about that ? Marketing: Changes .
User Interface: Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: Um Industrial Designer: That kinda changes the whole situation .
Marketing: Uh User Interface: Well yeah , then we have to make some nice features . I think uh the thing in the dark is a good way ,
Project Manager: That still stays .
User Interface: to make it more like a mobile phone . More modern .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: That's important I think and Marketing: L_C_D_ doesn't work for uh twelve and a half Euros I think .
User Interface: And I d I don't don't think it's very usable in a remote control , especially when you only have T_V_ functions on it .
Marketing: Oh .
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: So Industrial Designer: Mm ah I I don't y you'll use it often , because you can see on the television wh what channel you Marketing: Oh , I'm watching uh the channel one . Okay . No , it's not User Interface: Yeah , I tho I think that's not usable .
Industrial Designer: No .
User Interface: So , but uh Yeah . What other features can we put in ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah . I think you you have to make it a bit flashy and and popular . And uh then the usability is not that required , because the Like in the mobile phones , usability is not that good I think .
Marketing: But uh some of you had uh something to read about um uh speech uh recognition . About you said one and the television turns on one . Is that reachable maybe ?
Industrial Designer: I didn't read Marketing: That's very That's fancy . That's cool .
User Interface: It's very fashion .
Industrial Designer: I didn't read any
Marketing: Twelve and you've got twelve .
Industrial Designer: b Yeah . Yeah okay .
User Interface: Mm .
Industrial Designer: I I know .
Marketing: Only the numbers , only numbers . Uh furthermore nothing . But only the numbers , one to twenty or something .
Industrial Designer: Mm .
Marketing: That should be cool .
Project Manager: Yeah , maybe we have to integrate that as well . If it's possible . But Marketing: If it's possible ,
Industrial Designer: Yeah ,
Project Manager: I don't think it's very expensive actually .
Industrial Designer: I don't know .
Marketing: I dunno . I didn't read it .
User Interface: Mm .
Project Manager: Why should it ?
User Interface: Yeah , I think it's Marketing: Uh if i if i
Project Manager: You only have a microphone in it .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: I didn't have information about that .
Industrial Designer: But it has to work . And and and does it have to work only in English , or in Dutch too or Project Manager: Nah , maybe Marketing: Ah that's a problem , but Industrial Designer: And and uh w Yeah ?
Marketing: Uh only in English . Only in English I think .
User Interface: What But uh I dunno how that works then . Uh does your uh Does it lie in the centre of the room and can you scream from wherever
Industrial Designer: Yeah , it's probably my job to figure that out , but User Interface: uh one to have in channel one ?
Marketing: No , that Yeah , then th we have to think about that . But do do we do it ?
User Interface: Yeah ,
Marketing: It's more if we if we do it .
User Interface: I dunno . So , is it very usable ? That's what I'm looking at .
Industrial Designer: And and do you have to speak in in like in a thing
Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: or Project Manager: Maybe maybe it's too hard to uh to realise that .
User Interface: Is Project Manager: It We have short time to to put it on the market ,
Industrial Designer: Yeah , I dunno .
Project Manager: so that We have to do a lot of testing before we can do that .
User Interface: Mm Yeah well  Marketing: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , I think so . Project Manager: We make uh make uh , we can make th th the new remote control very flashy . Marketing: Yeah , and uh and uh User Interface: It's Marketing: In uh indeed uh the languages are a difficult thing . Uh because we we have a lot of languages .
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: I d Yeah . I don't think it's uh useful enough to take the effort to design something with uh speech recognition .
Industrial Designer: And and Project Manager: Yeah . I think so .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , and also if if you have a good speech uh speech recognition , you can just throw the uh Marketing: Yeah . A uh someone says that uh give me one Coke , and the T_V_ turns uh to one .
Industrial Designer: the remote away . Mm . Hmm . Mm . Yeah , okay .
Marketing: Yeah ,
User Interface: Yeah . Well yeah ,
Marketing: it's not uh User Interface: that's the right command . And then you have to say uh T_V_ channel one , or something . Not just one ,
Industrial Designer: But Hmm yeah , T_V_ one .
User Interface: but Marketing: Okay , but th that becomes your f Uh uh because that's very hard for uh speech recognition .
User Interface: Well I dunno . But I don't think , it just ain't useful enough .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: So
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: we have to make some decisions . So
Marketing: Okay , no speech recognition .
Project Manager: you can see on the uh So we have to know what we're going to put on . Do we , do we make uh a light under the under the n under the numbers and everything ? Do User Interface: Yeah , I think so .
Project Manager: If you press something , it lights up for a few seconds , so you can see what other but buttons there are , okay ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's good .
Project Manager: Okay , we just take that one .
User Interface: Yep .
Project Manager: And what else , we have User Interface: Also the one in the dark . So uh It lights up when it's dark ?
Project Manager: Yeah , but it's Oh th I thought would , that that would be the same .
User Interface: I didn't Project Manager: If you push something , it it all lights up .
User Interface: Okay .
Marketing: Yeah . Yeah yeah ,
User Interface: Yeah , but um Marketing: it it mustn't work all the time .
User Interface: Yes , that's what I mean .
Marketing: It uh uh it have to work only when you use it .
Project Manager: Or you can switch it on or something .
Marketing: So if you User Interface: Or maybe when you Marketing: No , if you use one button , it must turn uh on for twenty seconds , and then it must turn off .
User Interface: yeah . It lights up all .
Project Manager: Yeah , that's right . You have to Yeah , that's right . That's what I said . It's the same as the telephone . Yeah .
User Interface: Okay yeah . D Yeah , alright . Yeah .
Project Manager: And do we use a a Uh what's it called ? Like a iMac , if you can look through it . Or just a normal remote control .
User Interface: Maybe just as an option , w like we discussed , like iPod .
Industrial Designer: Mm , maybe it's a good idea .
User Interface: Different colours , uh maybe use even different fonts .
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: Like uh phones .
Marketing: Oh yeah .
Project Manager: Different colours . Okay ,
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
Project Manager: so y you just make it th through You look through it ?
Marketing: A see-through . Mm , that's cool .
User Interface: Yeah . Uh as an option maybe .
Project Manager: Okay . And so the buttons we have , this is , yeah , this is normal . We put in the the simple buttons on the top ,
User Interface: It's the standard Project Manager: and probably the the the more complicated buttons down there .
User Interface: Yeah , uh Yeah ,
Marketing: But you have You had a lot of different buttons .
User Interface: we but we don't We don't really have any complicated buttons .
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
Project Manager: Yeah , maybe you have you have to Uh when you use teletec teletext , you can press a green or a red button to go to the next one , or to go to the previous one .
User Interface: Yeah okay , but Yeah , well w I think the buttons are very easy . With just uh standard buttons we just have so little Project Manager: O but maybe you can put um the g the options of teletext on the second level of the remote control . Because you ne almost never use it .
User Interface: No , I don't need don't need Uh teletext options are only four buttons or something .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , but younger people I think um more often use the internet and elderly people often use teletext .
Project Manager: Yeah , that's right .
User Interface: I use teletext as well .
Industrial Designer: So uh Marketing: No , I use te teletext every day , I think .
Industrial Designer: Hmm . Okay .
Project Manager: Yeah . For me too , it is . So we just keep it one level then ? Okay .
User Interface: Yeah yeah , one level . And I think , uh 'cause um we don't have that many buttons ,
Marketing: Mm .
User Interface: I think the design is most important . You can d uh integrate the buttons in the design very much .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: 'Cause simple buttons .
Project Manager: Okay .
User Interface: If you put one above it , it's clear .
Project Manager: Okay . So that's it for toda for We're going to have a lunch lunch break . Um Marketing: User Interface: How long is lunch break ?
Project Manager: So yeah , you know what you have to do . This is uh this is it . You get your meal and everything , so Marketing: Trendwatching . Okay . That's fine .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Marketing: Yo .
Project Manager: So , we're finished for t for this time . We're going to have some lunch .
User Interface: Okay .
Marketing:  User Interface: Bye .
Industrial Designer: User Interface: Marketing: User Interface: Marketing: Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . User Interface: Marketing: Mm . Uh .
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