C: Mm-hmm .
A: Mm-hmm .
B: so we just have to offer as much as as well value for the for the customer uh he can have for twenty five Euro .
C: Functionality .
A: Okay so
A: look and feel , innovation  D: And now it easy to use .
C: Easy to use .
A: B: Mm .
C: target .
A: Mm-hmm .
A: And trends .
A: Oh ,
A: you following the idea of using the um removable covers on these ?
A: Is that part of both of them or ?
B: Um well
B: w w we can still discuss that .
A: Okay .
B: So um ,
B: and together with evaluating this uh we we might come with new ideas
B: I mean adding things or uh removing uh of options
A: Mm-hmm .
B: because they are too expensive ,
A: Mm-hmm .
B: but
B: um I've received uh a framework which we can do this .
B: I mean did you have this this Excel sheet ?
A: Mm-hmm .
C: No .
D: No .
B: No okay ,
A: No .
B: this is these are the the the latest prices of our production uh uh production unit for several components ,
C: B: so we can uh see whether the the price is is within the twelve Euro uh fifty cents uh .
A: Mm-hmm . Okay .
B: So
B: maybe we can start with this ,
B: uh , calling this one . A: Okay . Yep .
A: So
A: it's the pink .
B: Th th this is the first design .
A: And the other one's green .
B: Yes .
A: Okay , so
A: look and feel ?
A: Where um one is A: I've broken the pen again .
B: Uh there is another pen .
A: S
A: yeah .
A: Get that one .
A: Um w one's bad
A: and seven's the best .
A: Sorry ,
A: one's true
A: and seven's false .
A: One's the best .
B: Okay .
A: So on a scale of one to seven ?
B: 'Kay .
B: Okay . So .
B: Look and feel .
B: Well
B: you already feel that uh pretty much I think .
D:  B: In i in my opinion purely feel is is is very good , is very good in your hand ,
A: Mm-hmm .
A: Mm-hmm , yeah .
B: so I I I would consider two or or may maybe even one for feel .
A: Mm-hmm .
A: Mm-hmm .
B: But that's just half ,
B: we should also consider look ,
A: Mm-hmm .
B: and then i it looks quite conventional .
A: Mm .
B: Don't you agree ?
D: Mm yeah .
A: On the scale u it's between functional and fancy basically we're looking at ,
B: So
B: maybe two .
B: Hmm . Hmm .
B: Ma ma ma ma maybe say say five
A: so B: I B: It's my opinion ,
B: but I don't know what what
D: Well
D: I will give it maybe we have anyways D: the way we have designed it's like the surf as you say A: Mm-hmm .
C: Yeah .
D: you know .
D: It D: though the look is fine
D: but uh still I will give four in that case
C: Yeah . Four maybe .
D: you know .
A: Four ?
D: Four yeah
B: Four , four .
A: Okay .
B: Now we th th
D: that B: then we settle on four .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: Yeah .
D: I will gi
D: yeah .
A: C: Uh .
B: 'Kay .
B: Can you maybe fix the other C: Yeah .
A: Mm .
C: If you press like this not like this
C: then you C: A: No
A: that's the D: No .
D: C can you get the batteries ?
A: ink's dried .
D: No no
D: the battery has fallen down ,
A: Battery's low ,
D: that's i
A: isn't it the ink ?
A: The b
A: that's the that that one ?
D: Yeah .
A: battery there .
C: But D: No no it's not that ,
D: it's how to close a battery .
C: Okay .
D: Okay ?
D: Now it should be .
A: Mm .
A: No
A: I think it's lost a battery .
B: Mm , try it , just try it .
A: No
A: it's B: Oh it will not
A: It would still write
B: ri
A: but it wouldn't pick it up with the sensors .
B: mm ,
B: mm .
D: Is there another battery there ?
D: Oh yeah .
A: You got a second ?
C: Try a A: Well
A: we won't be able to tell .
B: Yes ,
B: it it has a mm .
D: C: Perfect .
A: Is that working ?
C: A: Did it come out ?
A: Good . Okay .
B: Good . Good .
A: Because we'll be able to see it still even if it wasn't working ,
A: it's just a normal whiteboard marker
C: Yeah , yeah .
A: but it wouldn't be picked up on the the actual whiteboard .
C: Yep .
B: Okay . So
B: then then A: And the other one ?
C: Wow .
D: A: B: Ah .
A: I think it's slightly better , um ,
B: Mm .
A: it's hard to tell from just the plasticine ,
B: I I I A: but B: When we want to include I I
B: I'm doubting about this this component .
B: It it it it breaks
A: Mm .
B: in your C: 'Kay
C: maybe D: No
A: Mm .
D: actually this is this is not going to protrude actually ,
A: Okay .
D: it it's n i it is jus
C: It's not a button
C: it's a led ,
C: it's a D: It's a led actually
D: which which 'll be covering in a curve C: Ac actually yeah it should be embedded .
B: Mm , yes I see , mm okay .
D: It's will be embedded there
A: Mm-hmm . Yeah .
C: Yeah . Oh
D: so it won't be really you know protruding or something .
C: you can push push it again , you can push it .
A: Yeah .
A: The other thing is , is the left hand one protruding ?
D: Yeah .
A: 'Cause if people are left handed they want to use the other hand ,
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
A: maybe it won't work so well .
D: No you it it not protruding actually ,
D: it will go in better into that A: Okay .
B: Well
B: r r
A: I'd say two or three for that one , personally .
B: Mm .
A: Probably more towards three than two .
C: B: I think the look is better
B: but the feel is is is worse .
B: So so I would also say this is four .
A: Okay .
B: But w w do you what do you think ?
D: Uh it's fine I think .
D: My just that um the feel is that um you D: right now you you don't see the feel
D: because right uh for example if you press it quite inside now like this , now it's embedded one .
C: Yeah .
B: Mm . Mm . Yes .
D: This is how embedded one will B: Yes ,
B: it basically is the same shape .
D: Yeah . It's a bas basically the same thing actually .
B: Mm-hmm . Mm .
D: You will be Except that in this c
C: And the L_C_D_ makes it better . Yeah .
D: Yeah D: And you might have a slight thing for to forward and B: Yeah . Yeah . Yeah .
A: Mm , okay .
C: So I will say two .
A: Yeah
A: it's d it's definitely more fancier than that one .
D: Yeah , yeah .
B: Yes , okay .
C: I would say two , three .
A: Okay .
D: Yeah .
A: So ,
A: consensus ?
A: Two or three ?
B: Two ?
B: Mm . Two's good
A: Two ?
C: Yep .
B: yes .
D: looking like A: Um , 'kay .
A: Innovation .
A: The first one , not really muc
C: Basically there is no innovation in the first one compared to what exists in the market ,
A: Mm .
A: Yeah .
C: right ?
D: No but except for the design of the surf .
A: Do we C: Yeah . The surf uh design .
A: Mm .
B: Mm .
A: What What features are we actually including ?
D: You should be rea A: Are we including like a location kind of thing like trying to find it ?
D: Uh no
D: I think it's more of the feel .
A: There's nothing like that ?
A: But th is there any there's no actual innovation in that at all ,
A: it's just a straight-out remote control .
D: Yeah , yeah .
D: Yeah .
B: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .
C: Yeah .
A: Okay .
B: The only innova innovation is the shape .
C: Yeah .
D: Say about that .
A: Okay .
B: S so that A: So
A: there's no A: this uh look and feel thing , though that's not a technological innovation .
C: Yeah . You're right .
D: Yeah .
A: So I'd be up for seven for innovation .
C: Yeah .
C: And the And the second one is really uh state of the art , uh in terms of innovation .
D: Yep .
B: Mm .
C: And um with many more functionalities ,
C: and can open and close the the bottom part .
D: Yeah ,
D: it gives it B: Yes .
B: A and the L_C_D_ screen is C: Yeah .
B: That's that's that's well it's quite innovative .
C: And all the scrolling uh buttons and menu and pro programmable device behind this .
B: Mm .
C: Uh could put it at one or two I would say . Personally .
A: Okay .
B: Yeah . Mm . Mm . Mm . Mm .
D: Yep .
A: So what is it , what are the innovations with this ?
A: Got the L_C_D_ screen .
C: Uh Yeah
C: automatic speech recognition .
A: Is that in this one though ?
A: Is this 'cause this is the D: No ,
A: Th th there were different options we discussed then ,
D: we ha
A: we discussed the one that was in budget and the one that was out of budget .
B: We just diske discuss it as you designed it
B: and then we will will try to get it in the budget .
A: Okay .
C: Yeah .
A: So the cost for these were C: So  A: what was the cost for the first one ? Eight Euros ?
B: Eight .
C: Eight .