C: some televisions don't accept uh that that A: Yeah , because that's i it's for television . It's exact the same thing .
C: No , no ,
C: but s
D: No no no . So some television respond differently .
D: Look , if uh i i
A: No ,
A: listen listen .
A: When you push the button , the remote control gives a signal .
A: I in th in the first place it gives a signal which it would also send when you put a separate button on it .
D: Yes .
D: Yes , that's true .
A: The one with dash ,
A: that signal gi
A: and when y whe when you don't push another button on the remote control within five seconds , then the remote control gives a signal for channel one .
B: Yeah .
B: True .
D: No A: I think it works that way , really .
D: No ,
D: it it it works uh if you haven't got uh a special button for it , uh if you push a one , then on your television there will appear a one and a a line , which is an empty space .
A: A: Yeah , but it's exact the same that w would appear when you put a separate button push a separate button .
C: Yes , but some some old televisions uh you have to uh click on uh a special button , uh then you go to a a next level , you can push two buttons .
A: Yeah , but you don't underst uh you don't understand my point .
D: Yep . True .
A: I think it's exact the same thing when y
C: You want C: Yes , but some television don't support it .
A: No , but then they would a would also support that button , because it's the same thing .
B: But the ex
A: Listen ,
A: with that that's
A: that special but button you're talking about , eh ?
A: That's just a signal to recei ju they send a t signal to the v tv T_V_ that they have to put a one in on your screen and a dash , which you can pu so you can uh still put another number on it .
A: When you don't have that separate button , and you push y one , it's exactly the same thing .
A: Do y you A: the remote control gives that same signal as it would give when you only had D: No , s some some televisions need the input first uh and and you c
C: No ,
C: a remote can A: Yeah .
C: Yes ,
C: so they need no , they need A: But you give the input .
A: You push the one .
A: That's the same thing as the button with the one and it D: No , that's not true .
D: It's simply not true . It's simply not true .
A: yes it it is .
A: Think about it .
B: Yeah .
C: No ,
C: but uh B: You uh you can wai when you push the one you can show on the telly a one and just a dash , and then wait uh two uh seconds or something D: Uh A: And it's the same thing what happens
A: and a g remote control gives another signal after five seconds that is just one .
D: No , remote control doesn't give signal after five seconds .
D: Remote control is a stupid thing .
D: If you push a button , it sends it immediately to to the television .
A: Yeah , that's true .
A: Yeah , but I m uh but it's A: I I know for sure that some televisions that w th th the remote control supplied , only ha has the c these buttons with a one and a dash and a two and a dash , but when you use a bu a n remote control that doesn't sport these buttons , it still works .
C: Yeah , it A: But okay , we we'll impl
D: No , definitely not . Definitely not .
B: We'll discuss them in the usability lab .
A: No ,
D: A: we'll apply them then for now .
B: Uh eva evaluation .
B: I don't know uh I don't know if if it's it's necessary .
A: Yeah , app just apply them next to the zero , the one and the two .
B: Yeah ?
A: Yeah , I think so .
A: Yeah , for now , if we don't know for sure whether  B: Okay .
C: And the button for the SCART uh audio video uh external input .
D: Yes .
B: Ach .
A: Yeah but D: Uh , you can access that uh via zero , and then minus , I guess .
A: okay . A: What I said about uh the remote control sending another signal , that that might not be true ,
D: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
A: but I still think i it it all T_V_s in some ways support it ,
A: I don't know .
C: No , no .
A: I think it's more c is m maybe we don't uh we both don't really understand how it i how it really works ,
A: but I think there's more to in than wha than what you just said .
C: Uh , remote control sends one signal at one button uh press .
A: I do think that uh m T_V_s support mur multiple kind of remote controls . M
C: Uh , some C: N some televisions when when you want to go further than uh ten A: Th won't work wi with uh C: No , you have to you have to uh give the television uh two or more signals .
A: to have that special button .
C: When you uh press one button , you give one signal .
C: And the older televisions need more signals to go a level higher .
C: But D: Yep .
A: Okay , well we'll see .
C: When you make the technology that that it will uh give more signals , it could work , but C: Just a basic idea of of of the most uh most y most common uh and simple uh operations on the remote .
D: Okay .
D: I kinda miss the docking station .
B: Yeah . C: Yes .
C: It's here on the  B: D: B: Well it C: B: yeah , uh there's nothing C: We came uh B: I think it's pretty basic ,
B: the the there's no fu
C: Yes .
B: there's one there's one button ,
D: No nothing really trendy about it .
B: that's wha there's there's
B: there's one function and that's n the one button when you want to find it .
C: But maybe we can maybe we can make the docking station uh uh a bit standard for for uh the other products we sell ,
D: The button .
C: because Real Real Reaction sells more products than only remote controls .
D: Yep .
C: So maybe we can uh use the docking station , for example , uh M_P_ three players or or uh
C: uh hearing devices .
D: I think that's very difficult , because of different shapes of uh uh devices .
C: Yes , but when you put that same volt voltages on it , you can put uh D: Yeah , of course .
C: when the when the when uh o the the the lowest part of it , when it's o the same as the other products , you can put it all on the same uh D: Mm-hmm .
D: Well it it got it it has got to fit into the shape , of course .
C: Yes ,
C: but we can make D: The technology and the voltage can be the same . That's uh that's true .
D: But uh i if you all make the m having a bottom like this , then they all fit .
C: No , we can make uh make the most lowest part all the same .
D: Yeah , that's true ,
D: but uh C: When when the the recharger has a has a bit what points out , we can place all on top of it .
D: Yes ,
D: but uh I I g
C: Just have to be big enough for the biggest D: Shouldn't it fall then ? It isn't going to fall down ?
D: That's a bit uh D: yeah , I think C: No , when you make it large enough no it it will not .
C: But then it's a little bit D: No , but if if D: like this , I'll I'll point it out ,
D: if you got uh a a a base a base like this ,
C: But it's just an idea .
D: I won't draw it really .
D: If you got a base which is uh as big as this C: But it's flat it's flat as as this ,
C: so we can p make all the products as flat as this .
B: You can .
D: Yeah sure ,
B: But i i i it's backwards .
D: but if you got if you got a tiny player , it can  C: Yes , but when you make uh uh a bit of big  B: But it's it's backwards .
B: It's leaning . It's leaning backwards , I think , in the in the docking station .
D: Yeah .
D: Uh , wha what you could do if you uh from the bottom D: oh , right , help .
B: That's text . A: But D: Uh , you could make like a hole in it , you know , of uh in in the B: C: Yes , little holer littler Uh , little products go deeper in it .
D: Yeah . That i that is possible , yep .
A: Well let's ha let's talk about the docking station later ,
A: because uh maybe we have we have to uh consider the docking station anyway , because we have some uh cost issues still to come .
D: Yeah , sure , you're right .
C: Yes .
C: And uh uh
D: Oh .
A: But we have to look n I don't know .
C: the f the look and feel would be great on this uh remote control ,
D: I don't like the colours .
C: because uh you always uh will uh pick up the remote control in the in the smallest uh area .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Yeah .
C: Then your uh left thumb of uh your right thumb is uh near the programme uh button ,
C: which is the most common used uh function ,
C: and all the other buttons are available for your uh thumb .
C: So it's it's it's really good design .
A: Okay .
D: Yeah . Alright .
A: Yes .
A: That's it ?
C: Yes , uh on the side uh there will be a strip of rubber ,
C: and in the middle uh there is uh a hard uh a hard material , a bit hard plastic with a light uh behind it .
D: The light .
D: Okay .
D: And other lights ?
A: I think added lights are gonna be a problem too .
C: Yes , we can make also n neon lights on it , or or the buttons that can make uh light on it .
D: No , o on the on the front .
D: Yeah , okay .
D: Maybe the uh the logo .
C: Yes .
B: lights ?
C: But , it will also uh uh use batteries ,
D: Yeah , why not ?
C: and do we want to