C: Huh ?
A: Yeah .
B: We 've been doing quite a bit of that .
A: Yeah .
C: Well I said . But that 's part of what the f
B: We have many jobs for you , Ro - Robert .
C: Yeah . Well , he 's gonna need this .
B: The conclusion .
A: Yeah , it seems to always land in your category .
B: Yeah .
C: Right . So . Right . So thing That 's part of why we want the formalism ,
A: You 're lucky .
C: is is because th it is gonna have implicit in it
A: Yeah .
E: Was I ? In the room ?
B: No , you weren't there on purpose .
C: Yeah .
B: Like A: Made it much easier to make these decisions .
B: Obviously .
A: Uh .
B: Yeah .
C: Right . Well I That 's tentative .
C: They aren't decisions ,
A: Yeah . Right , right , right .
C: they 're ju they 're just proposals .
B: No , they 're decisions .
A: Yes . Excuse me .
B: OK .
C: Yeah , that That 's the point , is is th
A: Yeah .
E: Constraints .
E: Let 's call them constraints , around which one has to C: Yeah .
C: Yeah . <comment> Anyway . But so that 's that 's w
B: Actually ,
B: yeah . There 's a problem with that word , too , though .
D: Yeah , but it he the decisions I made wer had to do with my thesis .
C: Yeah .
D: So consequently don't I get to decide then that it 's Robert 's job ?
C: No .
C: Uh .
A: Anyhow .
B: Well , I 'll just pick a piece of the problem and then just push the hard stuff into the center and say it 's Robert 's .
E: I 've always been completely in favor of consensus decisions ,
B: Like .
E: so we 'll we 'll find a way .
C: Right .
B: I can C: Well , we we we will ,
C: but um
B: I haven't . <comment> OK .
C: not E: It it might even be interesting then to say that I should be forced to um , sort of pull some of the ideas that have been floating in my head out of the , uh out of the top hat
C: Yes .
E: and , um A: Always good .
C: Right .
E: That metaphor is not going anywhere , you know .
C: So
A: Yeah .
C: Ri - No . Absolutely .
C: So , uh , wh you had you know you ha You had done one draft .
E: Yes , and , um , it 's Ha - None of that is basically still around ,
C: And a another draft
B: I didn't get
E: but it 's C: OK .
C: D i
A: That 's normal .
B: Oh , I guess it 's good I didn't read it .
C: I i
C: I this is I 'm shocked .
C: This is the first time I 've seen a thesis proposal change .
C: Right . Anyway , uh . So .
B: Really ?
C: But , yeah , a second that would be great .
C: So , uh , a sec I mean you 're gonna need it anyway .
E: Hmm .
E: Yeah , and I would like to d discuss it
C: and
E: and , you know , get you guys 's input
C: Right .
E: and make it sort of bomb - proof .
C: Yep .
B: Bomb proof !
A: Good .
B: Oh ! Oh , OK .
E: Bullet - proof .
E: That 's the word I was looking for .
C: Both proof .
A: Either way .
B: Both .
C: Right .
C: Uh
B: Good luck . Really .
C: So that , so th thi this I mean , so this is the point , is we we 're going to have to cycle through this ,
C: but th the draft of the p proposal on the constructions is is going to tell us a lot about what we think needs to be done by construal .
A: Yeah .
C: And , um , we oughta be doing it .
E: OK .
E: Yeah , we need we need some Then we need to make some dates .
E: Um .
E: Meeting regular meeting time for the summer ,
E: we really haven't found one .
E: We did Thursdays one for a while .
E: I just talked to Ami .
E: It 's - it 's a coincidence that he can't do couldn't do it today here .
B: Usually , he can .
E: Usually he has no real constraints .
E: So C: And the NTL meeting moved to Wednesday ,
C: cuz of of , uh
E: Yeah , it was just an exception .
C: Yeah , you weren't here ,
C: but but but s uh , And so , if that 's OK with you ,
C: you would A: It 's i Is it staying basically at the Wednesday noon ?
C: Yeah , it was th
A: OK . It was th off this week ,
B: Yeah . I always thought it was staying .
A: yeah .
C: Right .
B: Yeah , I thought it was just this week that we were changing it .
E: Mmm . Yeah .
C: OK .
E: And , um . How do we feel about doing it Wednesdays ?
E: Because it seems to me that this is sort of a time where when we have things to discuss with other people , there E: they seem to be s tons of people around .
C: The only disadvantage is that it may interfere with other
E: Or E: subgroup meetings
C: s you know , other other C: No , you Uh , people in this group connecting with with
B: Those people who happen to be around .
C: those people who who might not be around so much .
C: Uh , I don't care .
C: I I uh you know I have no fixed A: To tell you the truth , I 'd rath I 'd , I 'd would like to avoid more than one ICSI meeting per day , if possible .
C: OK .
A: But  I mean . I don't know .
A: Whatever .
C: No , that 's fine .
C: I mean that E: The I 'd like to have them all in one day ,
E: so package them up and then A: Yeah , I can understand that .
C: Well p
C: people people differ in their tastes in this matter .
A: Yeah .
C: I I 'm neutral .
A: Yeah .
B: Yeah . I 'm always here anyway ,
E: It 's OK , that B: so C: Yeah . @ @ That 's Me too .
B: It doesn't matter .
C: I 'm basically I 'm here .
C: So .
E: Well , if one sort of thing is , this room is taken at after three - thirty pr pretty much every day
E: by the data collection .
B: Oh .
E: So we have subjects anyway Except for this week , we have subjects in here .
E: That 's why it was one .
B: Oh .
C: OK .
E: So we just knew i
B: So did you just say that Ami can't make one o '
E: No , he can .
B: Oh , OK .
A: Oh .
E: So let 's say Thursday one .
E: But for next week , this is a bit late .
E: So I would suggest that we need to to talk B: Oh , oh ,
B: OK .
E: OK . About the c the th
B: Could we do Thursday at one - thirty ?
B: Would that that be horrible ?
E: No .
E: Yes .
B: Oh really ?
E: Because , uh , this room is again taken at two - thirty by Morgan .
B: Oh , OK . OK . You didn't tell me that .
B: OK , that 's fine .
E: And the s meeting recorder meeting meeting meeting recording on meeting meetings B: OK , OK , OK . OK . Yeah .
E: So .
C: Interesting .
A: Ah , yeah .
C: So you 're proposing that we meet Tuesday .
E: How about that ?
C: I I could
A: Next week .
B: Well , we 're meeting Tuesday .
B: I mean we usually meet Tuesday or l like , linguists um , at two .
D: Would it A: That 's right .
B: So .
D: And the s
B: Do you want to meet again here bef
E: I mean w
D: Is the Speech - Gen meeting still at on Tuesdays ?
E: Well , actually we w we we did scrap our Monday time just because Bhaskara couldn't come Monday .
B: Hhh . <comment> Maybe I do need a Palm Pilot .
E: So there 's Nothing 's impeding Monday anymore either .
A: That doesn't apply to a E: Get a fresh start D: Although I thought you wanted to go camping on Monday er , take off Mondays a lot so you could go camping .
E: Yeah , that 's another s thing . Yeah .
E: But , um . I mean , there are also usually then holidays anyways .
E: I mean like <comment> Sometimes it works out that way .
B: Usually ?
E: So . Hmm !
B: Well , I mean , the linguists ' meeting i happens to be at two ,
B: but I think that 's I mean .
A: That should be relatively flexible be
B: pretty flexible , I think .
A: Yeah . There 's just sort of the two to four of us .
B: So .
B: The multiple meetings
A: Right ?
A: Yeah .
B: yeah .
A: So .
B: Right .
A: And , you know , of course Nancy and I are just sort of always talking anyway and sometimes we do it in that room .
B: Yeah .
A: So , you know , I mean .
E: OK , so l forget about the b the camping thing .
E: So let 's eh , any other problems w w w ?
E: But , I suggested Monday .
E: If that 's a problem for me then I shouldn't suggest it .
D: Ha - ha - ha .
C: OK .
E: So .
A: Um , all of the proposed times sound fine with me .
B: Same here .
E: Monday ?
C: OK , whate I mean What I think Robert 's saying is that
A: Earlier in the week
C: earlier we C: At least for next week , there 's a lot of stuff we want to get done ,
A: Mm - hmm . Yeah .
C: so why don't we plan to meet Monday
E: Mmm .
C: and we 'll see if we want to meet any more than that .
A: OK .
E: OK .
B: What time ?
B: At o o o o one , two , three ?
E: One , two , three ?
E: Three 's too late .
E: Two - thirty ?
C: Oh , I i Yeah , I actually Two is the earliest I can meet on Monday .
E: OK , two .
C: Here I 'm blissfully agreeing to things and realizing that I actually do have some stuff scheduled on Monday .
A: Sure . Sounds great .
A: Uh , so that 's the eighteenth .
B: You guys will still remind me , right ?
D: No way !
B: Y you 'll come and take all the  the headph the good headphones first and then remind me .
E: W why do you ?
A: Yeah , exactly .
E: And
A: Sorry , two PM .
B: Why do I have this unless I 'm gonna write ?
E: do I get to see th uh , your formalism before that ?
B: Fine .
B: Yes .
B: Uh . Would you like to ?
E: Mm - hmm .
E: I wo I would like I would sort of get a get a notion of what what you guys have in store for me .
B: OK . I was actually gonna work on it for tomorrow like this this weekend .
B: Yeah .
C: Well m @ @ you know , w maybe Mond - Maybe we can put This is part of what we can do Monday , if we want .
B: Yeah . I
B: OK .
A: Alright .
E: OK .
B: I mean , I I I C: Is some some version
B: Yeah , so there was like , you know , m m in my head the goal to have like an intermediate version , like , everything I know .
A: Mm - hmm .
B: And then , w I would talk to you and figure out everything you know , that you know , see if they 're consistent .
A: Yeah .
A: OK .
A: Why don't w Maybe you and I should meet sort of more or less first thing Monday morning and then we can work on this .
B: Yes . Yeah .
B: That 's f fine with me .
A: OK .
B: So .
B: I might I might um ,
E: You - y
B: s You said you 're busy over th until the weekend , right ?
A: Yeah , sort of through the weekend
A: because Kate has a photography show .
B: That 's fine . So we might continue our email thing
A: Yeah .
B: and that might be fine , too .
B: So , maybe I 'll send you some A: Um , if you have time after this I 'll show you the noun phrase thing .
B: OK . That would be cool .
B: So .
B: OK , and we 'll You wanna m
E: So the idea is on Monday at two we 'll we 'll see an intermediate version of the formalism for the constructions ,
A: Yeah .
B: So that 's OK for you E: and do an on - line merging with my construal ideas .
B: Sure , sure .
C: OK .
A: Alright .
E: So it won't be , like , a for semi - formal presentation of my proposal .
B: That 's OK .
E: It 'll be more like towards finalizing that proposal .
E: OK , that 's fine .
A: OK .
B: Cuz then you 'll find out more of what we 're making you do .
E: Yep , and then A: Yeah .
D: Hmm , hmm .
E: Yikes .
A: Oy , <comment> deadlines .
B: We 'll make a presentation of your propo <comment> of your proposal .
E: Perfect . Can you also write it up ?
B: It 's like , " this is what we 're doing .
C: Abso
B: And the complement is Robert . "
E: I 'll I 'll send you E: I 'll I 'll send you a style file , right ?
B: OK .
E: You just B: I already sent you my fi <comment> my bib file .
B: So .
E: OK .
E: And , um .
E: Sounds good .
A: Someday we also have to we should probably talk about the other side of the " where is X " construction ,
A: which is the issue of , um , how do you simulate questions ?
A: What does the simspec look like for a question ?
E: Yeah .
C: Mm - hmm .
A: Because it 's a little different .
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah , now , we we w
A: We had to we had an idea for this which seemed like it would probably work .
C: Great . OK .
C: Yeah . Simspec may need we may n need to re - name that .
B: I Yeah . I A: Yeah .
C: OK ? So let 's think of a name for for whatever the this intermediate structure is .
C: Oh , we talked about semspec , for " semantic spec specification "
A: Mmm .
C: and that seems C: Um .
A: It 's more general
C: You know , so it 's a m minimal change .
B: Only have to change one vowel .
B: That 's great .
C: Yeah . Just B: All the old like graphs ,
C: Right .
B: just change the just , like , mark out the A: Cool .
C: Right , a little substi substi
C: You know , that 's what text substitution uh macros are for .
A: Yeah . It 's good for you .
B: Yeah .
C: Anyway , uh , so let 's let 's for the moment call it that until we think of something better .
A: OK .
C: And , yeah , we absolutely need to find C: Part of what was missing were markings of all sorts that weren't in there ,
C: incl including the questions C: We didn't we never did figure out how we were gonna do emphasis in in uh , the semspec .
A: Mm - hmm .
A: Yeah .
B: Yeah , we 've talked a little bit about that , too ,
B: which B: uh , uh , it 's hard for me to figure out with sort of our general linguistic issues , how they map onto this particular one ,
B: but A: Yeah .
B: OK , yeah , understood .
C: But that 's part of the formalism C: is got to be uh , how things like that get marked .
A: Mm - hmm .
B: W do you have data , like the the You have preliminary data ?
B: Cuz I know , you know , we 've been using this one easy sentence
B: and I 'm sure you guys have uh , maybe you are the one who 've been looking at the rest of it A: Um , I
B: it 'd it 'd be useful for me , if we want to have it a little bit more data oriented .
A: To tell you the truth , what I 've been looking at has not been the data so far ,
B: Yeah .
B: Mm - hmm mm - hmm .
A: I just sort of said " alright let 's see if I can get noun phrases and , uh , major verb co uh , constructions out of the way first . " And I have not gotten them out of the way yet .
B: Mm - hmm .
A: Surprise .
A: So , um .
B: Yeah .
A: So , I have not really approached a lot of the data ,
A: but I mean obviously like these the the question one ,
A: since we have this idea about the indefinite pronoun thing and all that , you know , I ca can try and , um run with that ,
A: you know , try and do some of the sentence constructions now .
E: OK . Do you wanna run the indefinite pronoun idea past Jerry ?
A: It would make sense .
B: OK .
A: Oh yeah , the basic idea is that
A: um , uh you know A: Uh , let 's see if I can formulate this .
E: So Mary fixed the car with a wrench .
A: Yeah .
E: So you perform the mental sum
E: and then , you know , " who fixed the car with a wrench ? "
E: You basically are told , to to do this
E: In the in analogously to the way you would do " someone fixed the car with a wrench " .
E: And then you hand it back to your hippocampus
E: and find out what that , you know ,
A: Means .
E: means ,
E: and then come up with that so who that someone was .
A: The WH question has this as sort of extra thing which says " and when you 're done , tell me who fills that slot " or w you know .
C: Mm - hmm .
A: So , um .
A: And , you know , this is sort of a nice way to do it ,
A: the idea of sort of saying that you treat from the simulation point of view or whatever you treat , uh , WH constructions similarly to uh , indefinite pronouns
A: like " someone fixed the car "
A: because lots of languages , um , have WH questions with an indefinite pronoun in situ or whatever ,
B: Use actually the same one .
A: and you just get intonation to tell you that it 's a question .
C: Alright , which is
A: So it makes sense
A: um
C: Skolemization .
A: Hmm ?
C: In in logic , it 's it 's @ @ <comment> it 's actual Huh ?
B: Mmm .
B: Right . Let 's put a Skolem  Skolem constant in ,
A: Yeah .
A: shko
C: What ?
B: yeah .
A: Sure .
B: Yeah . Right .
A: OK .
C: That - that 's not that 's not saying it 's bad ,
C: it 's just that A: Right . Right . No . Of course .
B: Mmm .
C: that that the logicians have have , uh A: That 's right .
E: come up with this
A: It makes sense from that point of view , too , which is actually better .
A: So yeah , um .
A: Anyway , but just that kind of thing
A: and we 'll figure out exactly how to write that up and so on ,
A: but
C: Good .
A: Uh , no , all the focus stuff .
A: We sort of just dropped that