D: M but , I mean I don't take them out if they 're already there .
E: You know ?
D: I don't F: c Yeah . It 's it 's good to C: If it sounds like a yawn .
C: I 've transcribed yawns ,
E: Mm - hmm .
F: Yeah .
D: Mm - hmm .
A: Yeah .
C: um C: You can hear , there 's like .
C: You know ,
C: it , like <comment> something like that .
D: Yeah .
E: Yeah .
D: Mm - hmm .
F: It Well , it 's communicative .
C: Uh F: Yeah .
D: Mm - hmm .
C: Yeah ,
C: or when it 's a laugh .
E: Yeah .
C: I mean , often in the Tigerfish there 'd it would si say " breath " ,
C: but it it w it actually seemed more like a laugh .
F: Yeah .
B: It 's really a laugh .
E: It 's a laugh , yeah .
D: But it 's a laugh .
A: It 's actually a breath - laugh .
D: Yeah .
D: And you can C: Um ,
C: cuz everyone 's laughing .
C: Someone has just said something funny
E: Uh - huh .
C: and everyone 's like , " Ah - ha - ha - ha - ha " .
D: And everyone else is laughing ,
D: and then the other person is like " ha - ha "
A: Right .
C: Yeah .
D: but it 's not a actual laugh ,
C: Right ,
D: but like C: it 's it 's not a very committed laugh ,
D: I don't know how you do it ,
E: Right .
A: Right .
C: but it 's still a laugh .
D: you know ?
A: It 's No , like ,
A: yeah , it 's like .
C: It 's like A: Yeah .
C: yeah , " I guess I 'll laugh cuz everyone else is laughing , "
C: I You know , who knows , but C: but yeah .
F: Have you noticed that Tiger
F: I 've noticed that Tigerfish uses " cough " a lot where it isn't really a cough .
C: It should be " clear throat " , or something .
F: You notice that ?
F: Yeah .
E: Yeah . Yeah .
A: Oh , yeah .
B: Mmm .
D: Oh yeah ,
D: mm - hmm .
C: Yeah , I I just fix that .
D: Mm - hmm .
F: Mm - hmm .
D: Yeah .
E: I 'd fix that too .
F: Yeah .
F: Do you find F: you 've F: i This has caused me to wonder .
F: So , in Tigerfish ones , do you find that where they 've where they have like " dot dot 's " cuz it 's segments they didn't hear , <comment> that that you add u
F: you probably do add things in those places where it 's where nothing is transcribed really , because they didn't even hear it .
E: Mm - hmm .
D: You mean in between the segments that they did transcribe ?
F: Yeah .
E: Oh . Yeah .
D: Yeah .
D: That 's where you f tend to find E: Mm - hmm .
F: Interesting .
F: Oh , interesting .
E: Yeah , you find little lost lost words in the middle .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
E: Huh .
F: Huh .
D: It 's it depends on the person ,
D: I mean , some people don't tend to do aren't that involved in the meeting , or something ,
D: and they don't tend to say as much ,
C: Mmm .
E: Mm - hmm .
D: um , m backchannels or whatever .
D: And some people D: I mean D: I remember transcribing one person ,
D: all they did was clear their throat and breathe .
A: Yeah .
D: And then read digits
D: and then it was like the end of the meeting .
A: Yo - yo yo .
C: I think I know who you 're talking about ,
C: but D: So .
D: But then some people tend to A: There 's one guy in particular who does that .
A: It 's really cute actually .
D: Mm - hmm .
C: Uh D: Mm - hmm .
D: But then there are some people who are Even if they 're not actually speaking , you can tell they 're more involved or interested or something ,
F: Yeah .
D: cuz they 're always , " Mm - hmm , oh yeah , really , mm - hmm " Um , reacting . Yeah .
A: Reacting .
E: Uh - huh .
A: Yeah .
F: It just occurred to me ,
F: this is a a different kind of question ,
F: but I w
F: from having listened to all these people ,
F: I mean , and it is kind of ab abnormal to be listening to them as if you 're they 're talking into your ear , really .
D: Mm - hmm .
F: You know , it 's this really unusual acoustic circumstances .
B: Mmm .
A: Right .
E: Uh - huh .
F: Um ,
F: I sort of end up feeling like I know these people better than I really do .
F: And it 's like you go out to tea and there they are
A: Yeah .
F: and , " Oh , you were so funny in that meeting "
F: and it it has this sort of unusual dynamic
F: because , you know , I I 'm privy to information which really by all rights I shouldn't be ,
B: Mmm .
F: except of course they they agreed ,
D: Yeah .
F: they signed ,
F: they were there ,
F: they agreed .
E: Mm - hmm .
D: Right ,
B: Mmm .
D: yeah .
F: But but it but it 's sort of an unusual relationship to say ,
F: you know , i i you know ,
F: if you 're in the meeting yourself , then you of course you 'd have access to all this information and all your inferences about , you know , whether they 're funny or not funny or whatever ,
D: I remember from the very beginning , I would go to tea and start recognizing voices .
F: but it F: Oh , that 'd be interesting .
D: And like turn around and be like , " Wait , that person doesn't look anything like I imagined them . "
C: Yeah .
A: Yep .
E: Mm - hmm .
A: Yeah , yeah .
F: Yes .
D: a eh A: Y you know who I kept wanting to meet ? Was Bhaskara .
D: Nnn .
F: He 's he 's on campus ,
F: I found this out .
A: Is he really ?
F: Yeah yeah yeah yeah .
A: He has such a nice voice .
A: I really like his voice ,
F: Yeah .
F: Nice guy .
F: Nice guy .
A: so I kept wanting to meet him .
A: And then John told me that he 's not around anymore .
F: Oh , but he is .
C: Mmm .
A: Or something ,
F: I went on I actually went on a hike with him two weeks three weeks ago .
A: so .
A: Neat .
C: Oh , cool .
A: Just curious .
F: Yeah .
F: Yeah yeah . Yeah .
F: Nice guy .
C: I just wanted to know what Liz looked like .
D: Mm - hmm .
C: I 've never gotten to see her .
D: Nn - mm .
F: Oh , she 's here .
E: I haven't seen most of them .
A: I haven't either .
C: She 's got a nice voice .
C: I know she 's here ,
C: I know she 's a big part of the Institute , right ?
C: So .
F: Yeah , I 'm sure you 've seen her ,
C: Um F: uh but C: I must have ,
C: I just don't know who you know , what she looks like .
D: Yeah .
C: Um C: Yeah , I think she 's got a nice voice .
F: Mm - hmm .
C: But anyway .
F: Yeah .
D: She always tends to get interrupted .
E: Hmm .
C: It 's OK if we say nice things about these people ,
A: Yeah .
C: right ?
F: Yeah yeah , that 's no problem .
F: I also find that some of the F: you know , if someone sits there and and
F: it th there 's this o one who doesn't say much ,
F: but she just is always pleasant .
F: You know ,
F: and it 's kind of a smiling voice and she laughs
A: Yes .
F: and A: I th I think I know who you 're talking about .
F: What a difference .
F: Yeah .
F: I mean it 's like F: Actually it 's F: um , she 's she 's just so pleasant .
F: And and , you know , adds a lot just by virtue of that .
E: Yeah .
F: You know , can People will talk on all these technical things
F: but she 'll she 'll say something technical and then laugh ,
F: and F: It 's it 's very interesting , the ambience that you can get through these these little things .
A: Yeah .
D: It 's really makes it a lot nicer to transcribe
D: because there can be a lot of heated discussions about these very technical issues
A: Yeah .
F: Mm - hmm .
D: and people will have their opinions
D: and , you know D: And then you can D: It 's really nice to have a little bit of humor ,
D: a little bit of break away from that
A: Mm - hmm .
B: Mmm .
D: because it 's hard to sit there and li see like , " But , don't you see h you 're being rude to this person , you 're cutting off this person
A: I know .
D: and it 's not nice ? "
A: I started like kind of making mental friends .
D: Uh - huh .
A: I 'm just like , <comment> " I really like that person .
A: You know what ,
A: I 'm gonna be his or her friend . "
F: I agree with you .
A: And then F: I agree ,
D: Yeah .
F: it 's it 's really interesting , Also ,
B: Mmm .
F: i it 's a persona ,
F: you get this B: Mmm .
D: Yeah .
F: there 's definitely a sense of persona .
D: You definitely get an image of D: uh Especially if you can relate it to what the person or y what you assume the person is uh interested in academically .
F: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
E: Yeah .
F: Yeah .
D: It 's really A: Some of that computer stuff , I just A: Oh , my God .
A: I 'll just sit there like going , " Oh fff ! "
A: It 's going right over my head .
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah ,
A: I just I start zoning out sometimes .
A: Like , I don't mean to ,
A: but I 'm just kind of going , " I don't know what any of these acronyms are
D: Yeah .
A: and no idea what you 're talking about . "
D: And there was a whole set of meetings that are like that .
C: Mm - hmm .
F: That 's right .
D: It Wasn't there ?
A: Yeah .
D: Yeah ,
D: those were really hard .
E: Oh , yeah .
A: And they 're writing stuff on boards and stuff that we can't see ,
D: Really hard .
D: Yeah ,
D: and it 's hard A: and so we don't know what they 're referring to ,
C: Right .
C: Yeah , all you hear is the squeaky pen ,
A: and so .
D: Yeah .
C: and you 're like , " Oh , no ,
A: Right .
C: something something 's going on that I don't know . "
A: Yeah , they 're referring to this or that and the other thing
A: and you 're just going , " No ,
D: Yeah .
A: I don't understand . "
D: U no .
F: Yeah , it 's difficult .
C: Yeah , you guys talked about doing a videotape .
F: Yes .
F: um , it 's mainly a matter of two things .
C: The
C: sort of F: First is the storage . It 'd be so huge that , uh , you 'd wanna be sure that it was of interest to someone ,
F: that it would be worthwhile doing .
D: Mm - hmm .
F: And that 's the other thing , that we don't have
F: someone currently doing the video thing .
F: It would really be interesting .
C: Yeah .
C: Cuz I know it was mentioned .
D: Mm - hmm .
C: Also having a meeting where you all wore blindfolds .
F: Yeah .
E: Oh ?
A: Really ?
C: Li - it was Liz 's idea ,
C: wasn't it ?
F: That was Liz 's idea .
C: Yeah .
D: What would be the point of that ?
F: Oh , well , it 's a question of feedback , and being able to give feedback .
D: Oh .
E: Oh , wow .
D: I think that would be really interesting .
A: Oh I see .
E: That would be interesting .
A: So you have to do it vocally as opposed to visually ?
A: Like you can't use gesture ?
F: Yeah .
F: Exactly .
B: Oh .
A: Ah .
F: Yeah .
E: Wow .
F: And , you know I mean , th that was the meeting where , um , @ @ <comment> you know the m the th y y Partitions wouldn't work .
F: Another possibility is pa partitions wouldn't work
F: because then it would cut off the P Z Ms from having the indirect D: Right .
E: Mmm .
F: so it 's like you have these unusual configuration problems that that you wouldn't normally have .
A: Right .
F: Yeah , blindfolds .
F: You know , and someone else said , " Well , maybe you could just turn the light out . "
C: There you go .
D: That 'd be kinda creepy .
F: But then , someone else said no ,
A: Cute .
F: cuz there are these m special lights that have to stay on all the time
D: Oh .
B: Oh .
A: Oh .
F: for the fire code or whatever it is .
E: Oh , wow .
D: Oh .
F: But then C: I would just be so worried that someone would cheat .
C: You know ,
C: it 's sort of like a prisoners ' di prisoners ' dilemnas game , where you know , everyone 's wearing their blindfold but someone could just cheat and look , see what 's  see what 's going on .
F: That 's right .
A: Are you raising your hand ?
C: Yeah .
A: Totally .
C: You know , someone just leaves ,
C: you know ,
C: gets coffee ,
A: Right . Right , right .
C: comes back ,
C: and no one knows .
A: Gets bored .
F: Yeah ,
F: I mean , there are other things we could expand on and with i in terms of the methodology .
F: It 's nice to have a core set of data though
F: and they 've d actually done some they 've had some good results in terms of the digits
F: which they do in terms of having a r a nice broad set of speakers doing the same thing , meeting after meeting after meeting .
A: Mm - hmm .
B: Hmm .
F: So , um D: That 's good .
F: I 'm wondering ,
F: um ,
F: so we still technically F: uh you know I mean , what should we do in terms of tea ?
F: Technically C: Mm - hmm .
F: if we could hang on for fifteen more minutes and have tea ?
A: Yeah .
D: That 's OK .
F: And then continue with this this next next week ?
C: Yeah , sure .
D: Mm - hmm .
E: OK .
C: Oh , yeah .
D: It 's OK .
F: That 'd be great .
F: OK ,
F: so , um ,
F: let 's see .
D: I had something that I could bring up .
F: Yes .
D: Um ,
D: as far as ideas about looking at the data and getting ideas about whatever you said hypotheses about how to figure it out .
F: Yes .
F: Yeah .
D: One thing that I I 'm you probably don't remember this that I was really interested in is the use of " so " and the use of " or " .
D: Because the way people use it in these meetings , I found , was D: I don't know if it was it if it 's different than other people .
D: I don't know if it 's a computer speech thing .
D: I mean , computer people speech thing ,
D: but um ,
E: Hmm .
D: people tend to end utterances quite often with " so " or " or " and trailing off .
A: Oh , yes .
E: M Mm - hmm .
B: Mmm .
A: A couple people in particular do that ,
D: Yeah ,
F: Mm - hmm ,
A: yeah .
D: mm - hmm .
F: that 's right .
D: And I found that really interesting ,
D: and I was curious to to figure out when that happened ,
D: if it happened in certain occasions and whatever ,
D: and I never really got around to it ,
D: but .
F: Do you people C: Uh - huh .
F: I mean , does everyone agree with that intu
F: I mean , I f I s share her intuition that 's it 's it is sort of unusual to have " so " used as a final , uh , part of a person 's turn .
E: Oh , yeah .
F: I mean , it 's D: It didn't sound stran
E: Hmm .
C: Uh - huh .
D: I mean , it doesn't sound like bizarre enough that I don't understand .
F: Mm - hmm .
D: But I don't think it 's something that happens in just everyday speech really .
A: I don't E: I don't A: no , I don't agree necessarily .
D: Really ?
F: I was wondering .
A: I do it .
D: Really ?
A: Yeah ,
A: I trail off with " so " .
D: Huh .
A: Um ,
A: I don't necessarily do it as often as the one speaker I 'm thinking of ,
A: um ,
A: but , I do do that because A: I think partly because I want to make sure that people know that my my thought my utterance is finished ,
D: Yeah .
E: Right .
A: but that it 's not necessarily final .
D: Like that you 're flexible ?
A: Like , you can A: Right .
A: Or you can build on it
E: Right .
A: or j d expound on it .
D: Mm - hmm .
E: I think it 's sort of a like you guys can take from here ,
E: you know ,
E: somebody somebody build on my thought .
A: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
E: It 's are you people also do it with " but " .
A: It 's kinda like a shrug .
D: Yeah , but it tends to happen A: It 's like a m it 's like a E: You know ?
D: I mean , " so " tends to happen when the person brings up a new idea that kind of goes against what the other people is saying .
A: so .
D: Or at least that 's what I found .
A: What do you mean ?
D: Like if someone in a meeting is talking about a certain thing and someone kind of interrupts or doesn't necessarily interrupt and says something either a new topic or a different take on the same topic will tend to use will trail off with " so " .
B: Oh .
A: Oh oh oh , yeah , OK .
B: Hmm .
A: Mm - hmm .
B: Uh like B: " So , you can see you might be wrong ,
B: but I don't want to actually say that . "
F: Yes , that 's possible ,
D: Yeah ,
B: Mm - hmm .
D: kind of ,
D: yeah , yeah .
F: yeah .
C: Huh .
F: Yeah ,
F: interesting .
D: Yeah .
D: And " or " tends to be used with questions more than So .
C: Yeah .
B: Mmm .
E: That 's true .
D: But .
D: I thought that was really interesting .
A: Or y
A: I 've heard you say " so " , in that sort of sense
A: like uh , um , " So in other words blah - blah - blah - blah . "
F: Mm - hmm .
A: Like a sort of an inad
F: Of course
A: uh , eh F: b but that 's not really an example of this ,
F: because they don't just say " so " .
A: Right ,
E: u Nnn .
A: but A: That 's true .
F: Is that right ?
E: Ending with " so " .
F: I mean , s I just wanna be sure .
A: Or I maybe I 'm misunderstanding what you were sa
E: When you end with " so " .
D: When you end the utterance .
A: When E: When you say something