C: C: Uh C: Note that the push-button requires a simple chip chip .
C: A scroll wheel requires minimally a regular chip , which is a higher price range .
C: The display requires a advanced chip , which is which in turn is more expensive than the regular chip .
A: Yeah , more expensive .
A: But how much ?
B: C: Doesn't say . A: A: Oh .
D: Huh .
B: Hmm .
A: Okay .
C: That's from my manufacturing division .
A: Okay .
D: 'Kay . C: A: Well , thank you .
D: My turn ?
C: Yes ?
A: Next .
C: D: Mm . So D: So D: Yeah .
D: So , my uh presentation is about trend-watching .
D: Uh , I did some trend-watching .
D: It's very important to uh keep up with latest trends . 'Cause if you don't , you won't sell .
D: So , well how we did do that ?
D: Uh , well we made an investigation of the market , by Trendwatchers .
D: They uh watch in uh cities like uh Paris and Milan .
D: Of course , well known for their uh trend uh trends .
D: And well , uh what did you find ?
D: Uh , we have two groups , young and trendy , and the old and rich .
D: Well th and the young and trendy , they uh they starting to like uh fruit and vegetables uh as a theme for n uh clothes , shoes , and also uh products .
D: And um , material ? That should feel have uh a spongy feeling .
D: And to get a feeling for what it is , uh here is an image of it .
D: Then the old and rich .
D: They like uh dark colours , and simple , recognisable shapes .
C: D: And um , they also like uh familiar material , uh especially wood .
D: Now , another picture .
B: D: To get a feeling for this .
D: Well , uh then already come to my personal preferences .
D: We uh aim at the younger market .
D: So , we should also be uh look at their uh trends .
D: However , with trends it's always if there's it's now .
D: It it it might last one year , and next year it be uh can be totally different .
D: And I think we want to sell our product for longer than one year .
D: So , we m must not just only look at what the trend is now ,
D: as it might be totally different next year .
D: So , that's uh one thing to keep in mind .
C: Changing covers . D: B: A: D: Yeah .
D: Any questions ?
C: Nope .
B: No .
A: No . It's clear .
A: So now , it's uh  A: Ah , let's see .
A: Now , w we have to decide
A: A: Well , we have to decide on the concept .
A: So , we have to look at 'S next . Components and user interface concept .
A: So A: Now , we have to make some concept .
A: Maybe one of you can paint it on the board .
A: First , uh user interface .
C: Uh , uh-uh .
C: How w how we how we make it ? Uh A: Yes , a concept on uh  C: D: C: Shouldn't we first discuss about like what w we all A: Just D: Yeah .
A: A: Yeah ,
A: but maybe we can paint it . Uh , what do we want ?
C: Yeah , but if I paint with A: I'll paint . Okay .
C: D: A: Well D: Mm .
A: Something like this ? Or B: Mm , yes .
A: Shapes or What do we need ?
D: Can make several uh concepts .
B: What ?
A: Yes , okay .
D: We have this , and we had the idea of an um a more uh uh uh like sh in the shape of your hand .
A: Okay .
C: More like something D: Yeah I I I uh yes . B: C: M like C: Yeah I can't dr I can't draw it .
D: C: Uh  A: And you have to .
B: C: I have to .
A: Yeah .
C: I'm not a designer .
C: It's more three D_ .
C: Like , um when you have
C: a part here .
C: This is the remote control .
C: And then you have something like th this under it .
C: So , it's easier to get it like this .
B: Mm .
B: Yeah .
A:  D: Yeah .
C:  It's like a gun . D: A g B: A: So , it has to be soft ?
D: Mm . .
C: And it has to be soft , yeah .
A: Okay .
C: So , you can squeeze in it and A: And uh , the buttons ?
C: Sorry ?
A: Buttons .
C: Buttons on top of it .
C: And here .
C: The scrolling . You can do it with your thumb .
A: No , it won't .
C: B: But but i that's the only scroll uh button on it then ?
C: But now we use one scroll button and the other one is here .
C: One till uh uh zero till nine .
A: But , well there one for the sound and one for the channels .
B: Yeah , okay .
B: But but how D: Yeah .
C: And the b
C: B: Yeah .
C: Yeah ?
B: How C: Or two buttons .
B: Okay .
D: And i if we go to uh  A: Uh , two scroll uh wheels .
C: If uh C: 'Kay c If we do C: If we use one , then we'll have just a switch on it ,
C: and you'll just switch it ,
C: and now it's the sound to switch back
D: B: Mm .
A: That's th that's more difficult .
D: But if we have uh a me Yeah .
A: It's better in D: If we have a menu , uh how do we uh choose other options ?
C: with the menu uh button .
C: And then you also can scroll uh scroll in it .
C: Just not like all the other ones , with uh this thing , and uh here an arrow , here an arrow , here an arrow , here an arrow .
D: Yeah .
C: Because uh , from h hundred uh remote controls , ninety nine have it .
A: But if we don't have a L_C_D_ we don't have a menu .
B: Yeah .
C: Uh , then we have it on the T_V_ , the menu .
D: Uh-uh .
A: Yeah , but again maybe th How do we know the T_V_ can handle it ?
C: B: A: You don't know .
A: So , there's no menu .
C: I don't know .
C: It's like some sort of uh teletext option , but we don't have teletext . A: No .
A: So you can't use it .
C: And if we put an L_C_D_ thing on it , then the costs will uh be much higher .
A: Okay ,
A: we make two concepts .
A: One with L_C_D_ . One without L_C_D_ .
C: 'Kay .
C: But you all like this kind of thing .
C: Uh A: Good concept .
A: But C: With the scroll button .
A: That's one .
C: And and this one has to be soft .
D: Uh-uh .
C: And this has to be harder ,
C: because when it falls , it mu mu must not burst .
C: Or some kind of rubber around it .
B: Mm-hmm .
A: It's one .
A: Two . Number two .
B: And you can and you can uh make the the power button as a trigger .
C: Yeah . Yeah .
A: B: Like uh  B:  C: Ah that's nice .
B: D: C: Here . Trigger . A: No .
B: Just to uh  A: But when you handle it , you put it on and off .
A: It's not good to use .
C: A: Yeah , but I'll zap .
B: Oh , like a  D: B: Yeah .
A: Fuck . Out . C: A: No , it's not good .
D: Yeah .
A: Now , second concept .
A: One with L_C_D_ , one without L_C_D_ .
A: Then uh B: A: Paint it . D: C: Paint it ?
B: C: With the scroll thing on , like this ?
A: One with two scroll buttons and one with without .
A: Yeah .
A: Uh , one with a with a menu , and one without a menu .
C: So ?
A: And the one with with a menu has an L_C_D_ .
C: Draw it . D: A: Unbelievable .
A: Do I have to do everything .
A: Blank .
A: You have  A: Not so difficult .
D: Yeah .
B: But if you put push the the menu button A: Uh , that's the menu .
B: Yeah , wh what A: There for the L_C_D_ screen .
B: Yes , but you don't know which of the scroll buttons you have to choose .
A: You have to A: For the menu .
B: Yeah .
A: Mm-hmm .
A: One that way .
A: And one that way .
A: So A: Then it depends on the cost .
A: S On and off .
D: C: But is it easy to use ?
C: When you have it on your left side ,
C: and A: When it's not too big .
A: Just like a a phone .
B: Mm-hmm .
D: M uh yeah , maybe it's better if the uh scroll-wheels are um
C: Separate , more separate , h yeah .
D: more separate , yeah .
A: Yes , okay .
D: Like , you have the menu button in between uh C: Yeah .
C: On the left a scroll button , and on the right a scroll button .
C: But would it be easy to use then ?
C: If it's like  you have a big uh A: C: A: Very good .
A: Is it better ?
A: When you uh the menu , you have to go there there there there .
C: I also think this concept is not what the young people were looking for .
D: Yeah .
C: They were like round curves ,
C: uh different uh A: Yeah , okay . That's that's the outside .
C: Okay , okay , okay .
A: But now the A: First the buttons .
C: Mm-hmm .
D: Think we have we have now two buttons missing .
D: The uh um D: The mute button .
A: Sorry ?
D: We have two buttons missing .
D: The mute button .
D: And um , the to to uh have to uh numbers
A: Mute . And the other .
C: B: D: Okay .
A: Yeah . Not so difficult .
D: But , uh C: Personally , I think two scroll buttons uh aren't easy to handle .
A: But how do you wanna solve it ?
C: With the switch button .
A: Yeah but on the menu that's not uh easy .
A: Then you go down , you switch , you go into the right , you switch , you go down .
C: No
C: like uh C: Oh , you mean like that .
A: Yeah .
C: Uh , then you can also have like uh th um A: A joystick .
C: Yeah , and joystick , I think .
A: Yeah .
A: But is it uh A: Does that break , a joystick ?
A: Or a small one just like in a laptop .
C: Yeah like in a laptop , s uh s some sort of thing .
C: A little bit bigger ,
C: with easier thi
A: Mean , it's better .
A: But how expensive it is ? C: I don't know .
D: A: Oh . Why do I pay you for ? C: A: Um , well um A: Better ideas . D: Okay .
C: Or no scroll uh things .
C: Just a shape .
C: And C: No , no . It won't work .
A: For the young peoples I think scroll button's good .
C: Yeah . Uh-huh .
A: So A: Think we have to keep them .
C: Or a remote control more like joystick .
A: Yeah , but is it A: That's not expensive than uh Joystick is better .
A: A small one .
C: A small one like this , like a Nintendo uh k
A: No
A: just like in a
C: Playstation thing .
A: a laptop .
A: Small , round .
D: A: Then it's not so big .
C: No , no , no .
C: I mean the the shape of the remote control .
A: Oh the sh
C: Just like a Playstation thing .
A: Yeah ,
A: but then you can C: Yeah .
A: So D: A: Maybe , if it's possible , it's not too expensive , I think a joystick is better .
A: A small one .
A: So , please look at it .
C: C: No , that's okay ,
C: I got D: And on the L_C_D_ , how much it costs ?
D: Uh , it costs extra ?
C: Uh  C: they're not uh in details .
A: C: It's more expensive or less expensive , huh ? A: Yeah we I think you get it .
A: So , after this meeting you have half an hour to uh fix it .
C:  Then I have to come with it .
B: D: A: Yes .
C: I got my personal costs .
C: I I don't I don't know the costs .
A: Your problem . Not mine .
C: D: C: Then I'll uh make something up .
A: Okay .
A: So , do we have other concepts ?
A: Then for the components , we use a normal battery .
B: Mm , yeah .
A: Then it's Ch cheapest way , I think .
C: Yeah , or the or the kinetic uh with normal battery .
A: No , no kinetic .
C: Yeah , I think it's uh , yeah ,
A: Kinetic is uh ch makes it more expensive .
C: more expensive . Yeah .
A: So we use a normal battery .
B: D: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
C: Okay .
D: Yes .
A: Chip . Depends on the L_C_D_ .
C: Depends on the scroll .
A: Scroll .
C: If we use a scroll , then we have the uh regular chip .
C: If we don't use a scroll , then we can use the simple chip .
C: And that's A: Yeah .
A: And uh , we If you use the L_C_D_ , we have to
C: Uh the most expensive .
A: Yes , okay .
C: Yeah .
A: So , depends on the L_C_D_ and the scroll .
C: If we C: Yeah .
A: Okay .
C: If we C: No okay scroll-wheel .
C: So , I have this .
C: So , it will be uh the advanced chip , or the uh regu uh or the regular chip .
A: Okay .
A: So , uh the shapes of the design depends on the L_C_D_
A: and A: But , it has to be small .
A: I think .
C: Or shall we just put it on the pistol thing ?
C: And then just put also on L_C_D_ on it ?
A: If you have pistol , it L_C_D_'s not easy .
A: Y y Yeah but C: Just use your thumb .
A: If you use a phone .
C: If you C: Yeah . I use my thumb .
A: k Yeah , but but then you have it .
A: Like , th if you have pistol , you have it so .
C: Yeah .
A: And the screen is A: Well , then you have to keep it this way to look at the screen .
C: If you have a joystick on C: No ,
C: if you have like uh an uh uh a ni a uh Playstation uh game controller .
D: A: Yeah .
C: And you move up , f forward , down , left .
C: Then you have uh just , yeah , a little bit curved .
C: It's not just uh straight .
A: No . No , no .
D: C: C: That's how we use it .
D: Uh C: That's why they make joysticks like that , I think .
A: Yeah , but then you look forward .
D: Uh , yeah , but A: And then you can y
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah ?
A: N well , if you have to look at it .
D: If you C: 'Kay . Here's our designer .
D: If we have uh then something standing here , with the L_C_D_ .
C: Yeah .
A: Then it goes like this .
C: Yeah , why not .
A: If th n well  C: It's for the younger people .
A: Yes , of course .
C: It's something new . B: It's uh A: That's good good .
A: But the um ,
A: it may not break .
C: Now we put uh rubber around it .
A: Okay . If that's possible .
D: Um , Yeah .
C: Hard plastic , uh the shape , and around it hard uh around it rubber .
C: And the uh the hand shape is also rubber .
D: A: Okay .
D: I can't see the .
B: Or you can uh turn it inside .
D: But , uh the easy of  B: But that's D: uh , th the ease of use wasn't uh the most important uh aspect of it .
C: Huh .
B: No , that's true .
D: Uh , for us it's about to sell it .
D: Uh A: Yeah of course .
C: This is something new .
D: A: Okay .
A: Then this is the design .
A: And the buttons are on the next page .
A: So , depends on the cost .
A: So ,
C: Costs are okay . A: um we have one minute .
B:  .
D: D: One .
A: I think .
D: No .
A: No .
D: You have more .
A: More . Seven .
D: You have still ten .
A: Next meeting . Thirty minutes .
A: So hurry up .
C: Oh , that's us together .
A: You two stay here . D: A: Paint it .
B: Okay .
A: Now you have to .
C: B: D: A: So A: I think it's clear .
A: Check your mail .
A: So D: Yeah .
C: Yes .
A: It has to be ready in the next meeting .
A: So  D: What ?
B: Cookie .
D: Okay .
A: Next meeting is called the detailed design .
A: So A: Everyth everything has to be ready .
D: Okay .
A: Thanks for your attention .  C: 'Kay .
D: See you at the next meeting .
C: Bye bye .