C: Which buttons are wanted ,
C: uh is our remote control universal
C: or should it be programmable .
C: Uh if it should be programmeab grammeale then we need um something like a mode that you can switch it .
C: Because then the buttons have to send out a different signal then they would normally do .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: And uh how big is the remote control uh going to be ?
C: I'll tell you why that's important to me .
C: Um there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control ,
C: so uh uh that's why I also would like to say uh go a little bit easy on the designs ,
C: uh I heard ab uh you talking about beeps and about uh video screens ,
C: but uh the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: So keep in mind that everything that you keep uh think of , it has to b to be built .
C: So
C: it's A: Yeah . Of course , hmm .
C: that's not as easy as it s might look like .
B: Okay .
C: Uh material study , I'm working on that um for the the costs .
C: I have to check out how far I can go with that .
C: Normally , a circuit board is made of fibreglass
C: uh and the wires are made of copper .
C: Uh that is how it is done
C: and all the remote controls work that way ,
C: I think we can just go on with that .
C: Um then I've read more integration of materials means less cost for the production .
C: The more we can make uh at once uh in one piece , uh that is cheaper .
A: You mean integrate them all into the circuit board .
C: Exactly ,
A: Okay .
C: so if we make a circuit board with the the connections already on it , then that's cheaper .
A: Yeah , okay .
C: So we have to make something that's not too difficult in design again .
A: So you have C: This is what look like uh looks like if you press one button ,
C: so this is not the entire thing .
C: You have the the power coming in ,
C: then you have like a switch .
C: The switch uh uh uh if you p press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor , that thinks over a Morse code ,
C: that's how you should see it .
C: The Morse code goes to the amplifier ,
C: then uh the signal is sent to two uh light bulbs .
C: You have infrared
C: and an interv
C: um uh how to say it ?
C: Uh a light in indication , light that you know that it's functioning .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: Uh here again , that's my story about the different modes ,
C: if you do want to make remote uh universal , then the processor has to uh make up a different Morse code when some button is pressed .
C: That makes it much more complex ,
C: so we really need to have a look , do we want that or not .
C: Uh I don't have any personal p uh preferences uh so far ,
C: except for uh the materials to be used uh light , that they are light .
A: Okay .
A: Okay .
A: That was it ?
C: That was it .
A: I'll get back to my thing then .
A: Uh Okay ,
A: back this up to the screen .
A: So
A: I got some new information on the project specifications
A: are changing a little .
A: Like you said uh teletext is not not very popular anymore
A: because the uh the internet ,
A: nowadays people don't use the teletext anymore or hardly ,
A: so it can either A: Well ,
A: I don't think we should remove the button ,
A: because there are always people who are using it .
B: Yeah .
A: But I don't think it should be very it should be one of the big buttons for example .
A: Just put it somewhere or under second option or whatever .
A: It's not important anymore .
A: Um we're targeting young people now ,
A: because our um A: This is a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people ,
D: Uh .
A: which are A: um the younger people were defined under forty .
D: Yeah .
C: Hmm .
A: I so I think it's D: B
A: that's also good with the fashion and everything ,
A: so yeah .
D: Yeah ,
D: and they want to pay for it
D: and uh A: They want to pay for it , people are willing to spend money actually to buy a um remote that they like .
D: With more Where A: If they like the way it looks , the way it functions , so they're actually gonna spend uh spend money on it .
D: with more technical specifications
A: Yeah .
D: in the A:  see how far we can go with it anyway , so
D: Yeah .
A: And one thing that should be important is that the corporate l colour and slogan are recognisable ,
A: which is apparently black and yellow ,
A: but I'm not sure if we
A: I think we should keep the the logo in mind ,
A: because with colours you can uh have a lot of uh fashionable colours and everything on it , which suits everybody's taste . So A: With that concept I started thinking , so why not just steal Nokia's idea
A: and just make changeable covers for your B: Oh .
A: I mean those cost hardly anything I think ,
C: Yeah .
A: and people could even spend extra money on buying a cover
A: and so have an entire new remote control that they like to see .
A: Or we can sh
A: for example we can make a different  a basic design .
A: And sell the covers separately , for example .
A: That's just a little marketing idea that could be applied ,
A: so you can p
A: it appeals to really everyone .
A: So you don't have to I think you don't have to make entire remote controls .
A: We make a basic one
A: and manufacture this cover separately .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: So
A: that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone .
C: Hmm .
A: So
A: just A: I'm not sure if you came up with anything in the meantime , after making a presentation .
D: Yeah .
A: Would you like to share ?
C: No ,
C: I think this is a good idea .
A: Okay .
C: But D: But oh ?
B: Is it manageable ? Is it easy ?
C: Go ahead .
D: Yeah ,
D: with with an L_C_D_ screen you can A: Oh yeah .
A: I think we should lose the L_C_D_ screen ,
C: Y Yes , I think so too .
A: like you said .
D: Why ?
B: Yeah .
A: I think for example it's it's huge I think the L_C_D_ is huge ,
D: Nokia w
A: it consumes batteries like hell .
D: Uh .
A: I think it takes up a lot of a lot of power .
B: And it costs too much to fabricate ,
A: It costs a lot , I think .
B: so we're on a tight budget here .
C: Okay , uh D: Okay .
A: What we could do , what could be possible , is maybe not an L_C_D_ screen but with a preview ,
A: but y I'm not sure if it's even possible .
C: Mm .
A: For example , a little T_V_ guide .
C: Hmm .
A: Like you have a little A: just just a text only , not colour , just a little text thing
C: Mm-hmm .
D: Yeah .
A: so you can use your remote as a T_V_ guide .
A: I'm not sure it's even possible ,
C: Hmm .
C: I have to check that out ,
A: but maybe okay , make it C: I'm not sure .
A: Yeah ,
A: find a little compromise in that ,
A: but D: Yeah .
A: What did I write down ?
A: I think the p yeah , the beep is a very simple thing to imple implement ,
A: just make a button on your T_V_
C: That must be possible .
A: and just hit the button , it beeps somewhere .
A: I think it's easy to implement ,
C: Ja .
A: we should go for that .
C: I'm sorry ,
C: whe where do you wanna hit the T_ you wanna  B: And it's A: Uh speech recognition .
C: we want a button on the television . A: I thin A: Yeah ,
A: I mean where else should you put it ?
C: In th
C: okay ,
C: but that rules out a universal remote control .
C: Because that's not possible uh .
A: Yeah ,
A: but how are you gonna use that if your A: I mean if your remote control is lost , how are you gonna press where are you gonna press the button ?
C: Uh .
C: Yeah .
C: Exactly .
B: Maybe just a slap-on sticker with a button which sends out a small signal .
A: A slap-on sticker .
A: Oh ,
A: you mean as like a separate thing you can attach to your T_V_ .
D: Mm uh .
B: Yeah , exactly .
A: Yeah , that could be possible .
A: A little little box you can attach to your T_V_ is fine then , okay .
C: Okay ,
C: then uh I'd I'd like to know now if we want the uh universal remote control or not ,
C: because that's uh determines everything I'm gonna do .
A: I think it's universal . I think we should go for universal ,
C: If not A: because apparently we're a separate company making separate c remote controls to sell to a lot of diverse people .
C: Okay .
D: Yeah .
A: I think universal remote control should be possible .
D: Um C: Okay ,
D: Everyone uh wants to buy it ,
C: then I go for that .
D: so we w
A: Yeah ,
A: I think we're targeting everyone ,
C: Yeah .
D: yeah .
A: so remote C: Okay .
C: No ,
C: it's fine with me ,
C: but then I know what to look for .
A: Okay , universal is good .
A: Speech recognition , I think it's very hard ,
A: because we're selling across multiple countries .
A: So I think implementing speech recognition is such a small um apparatus , it's very hard to do .
D: Yeah .
D: Or one .
D: Or when you say one two uh i it uh it's enough ,
B: And it's A: Yeah ,
A: but I don't see Arabian people speaking one , two uh whatever .
D: right ?
D: But D: Oh yeah .
B: Besides that , the technology isn't really super yet ,
B: so that is a problem in implementing this .
A: It's D: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
A: It's not a mature technology ,
D: Okay .
A: I think it takes a lot of memory and everything in in a remote control ,
B: It's a good idea ,
A: so B: but it's just not I don't think the market's ripe for that yet .
A: I don't think it should be implemented in a remote control yet uh .
C: Uh-huh .
D: Yeah .
A: What else do we have ?
A: Um well
A: you should you should look into the in into the materials that are real durable .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: So the the the symbols won't fade ,
A: maybe a little harder plastic
C: Exactly .
C: I already noted that .
A: or especially li we don't A: maybe we don't have have to do all the buttons ,
A: but especially the ones that are um the popular buttons ,
C: Mm , okay . Okay .
A: so those always fade first .
A: Mm the thing is the most important things that we have now .
C: Hmm .
A: Let's see .
C: If we uh make a remote control with changeable covers , then we can also make uh a cover for every language area .
C: That's fo is
A: For example ?
C: uh especially for older people , that they can read it read it in their own language .
A: Well ,
A: we're not we're not targeting older people ,
D: Yeah .
A: we should remember that .
A: Everything we target is under forty ,
C: That's C: okay , okay .
A: so .
A: You assume that that they read correctly
A: and I think they're C: Huh .
A: The most important thing about young people is that they're really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world ,
D: But b
C: Uh okay .
A: so B: But should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves
B: or just the A: No , of course . No ,
A: I think it's just something you you put over them ,
A: because C: Hmm .
A: Yeah we c Yeah , you ca Well ,
D: But every B: C
A: tha that's not a that's not a bad that's not even B: that's a problem with the with the text then .
A: it's not even a bad idea .
B: C: Hmm .
A: I mean , for example , if you're if you're into the durability issue you could A: For example , if your buttons are faded , after I mean if you make a durable remote , they are faded , you can just buy a new cover .
C: Mm .
A: Uh I'm not sure it's it's hard to make .
C: Okay .
C: Uh but I know that the buttons are like a Nokia telephone on uh one sleeve ,
A: So it's a good and a bad idea .
C: so you don't have to change your whole cover .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: Uh we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve .
C: Know what I mean ?
D: Oh .
B: Oh yeah , I know what you mean .
C: It works the same as a Nokia telephone ,
C: it's it's in my uh 'kay .
A: Yeah , I know ,
A: it's just just a one one piece of rubber for example ,
D: Yeah .
C: Exactly .
A: okay . Yeah ,
B: Yeah .
A: that's what I A: something I have to look into .
A: Either either change both the buttons and and the cover or just the cover ,
A: I'm not sure which which is easier ,
C: Hmm . A: so  A: Um anyway , yeah ,
A: this is what we're gonna do afterwards ,
A: just lunch break and have more individual work after that ,
A: so let's see what we let's see we A: So
A: you have to come up with a components concept ,
A: yeah .
A: I want some A: you should do some trend-watching ,
A: because even if we're if we're gonna do those covers and everything , what people really want , that's what we need to know in this phase ,
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
A: because that's gonna be the essential final design that we're gonna come up with .
D: Okay .
A: Um Yeah ,
A: I think user interface is fairly obvious .
A: I mean it should be very intuitive ,
B: Pretty straightforward .
A: s
A: Yeah ,
A: it should speak for itself .
A: Uh for example I bought a remote control last week with a new T_V_ ,
A: it was it l it's like all buttons
A: and you have no idea what it does at first ,
C: A: and I'm total T_V_ new , anyway .
A: So
A: I think it should be have less or l very little buttons
A: and maybe a second second level menu for the advanced things .
A: Or maybe just stick 'em under a menu ,
A: like you said the um the sound options and the surround and whatever , they're more complicated ,
A: just stick 'em under one menu
A: and uh give it a A: just put it in in s in a software piece ,
A: you can menu and you can uh select everything you want to to set on your T_V_ .
C: Mm .
B: Is it techni technically possible to uh send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu ,
A: C: Yeah .
B: because we're working with different types of television ,
B: so we're going to work with that ?
A: That is true .
C: I don't think so .
A: No , that's true .
C: No , I don't think so .
C: Because the television needs to respond to the signal ,
A: Yeah , that's true .
B: It's an in-built menu ,
C: and if it doesn't know how , it's B: isn't it ?
B: Yes .
C: Exactly ,
C: that's not possible .
B: So basically
B: we A: I'm not sure if it's impossible ,
A: but uh there's a chance it's not ,
A: so .
B: Or we could use a double-sided for less used functions
B: you A: A double-sided remote control ?
B: Yeah ,
A: I don't think that's useful .
B: with the cover . B: I
B: it's basically an idea to overcome these issues ,
B: because A: Yeah ,
A: but then you're gonna have a lot of wasted buttons .
A: For example you have a Sony T_V_ and the half of the buttons won't function if you have a for a Sony that won't for a Philips T_V_ .
C: Hmm .
B: No ,
B: but basic functions D: Yeah .
B: but functions which are not frequently used .
B: Because if we use a universal remote control , we're going to have to have most buttons on it ,
A: I don't think we should A: Yeah ,
A: for exam
B: so D: Mm yeah .
A: I'm not s
A: yeah ,
A: for ex
A: you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want a universal remote control that it should do what people usually do with their T_V_s , not not the very complicated settings
C: Mm .
A: that you can usually do that with uh either a old old remote control if they really hate that thing ,
C: Mm .
A: but you can't you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of T_V_s .
C: But that might be broken .
A: I think there's I think there is a standard for example between uh C: C: Hmm .
A: because usually the the menu is the menu button is is usable between different brands . Especially the big ones , the big brands ,
C: Hmm .
C: Hmm .
A: so .
A: 'Cause everybody A: I have a universal remote control
A: and it can use the menu button ,
C: Hmm .
A: so I think A: I'm not sure ,
A: if you can put some research into that , if it's possible .
A: Uh I think just a b
C: Mm okay . A: and the navigation is very basic ,
C: Mm . But I think there must be a way uh to invoke the more complicated functions of a television .
A: it's usually the same thing .
C: For instance , if your old remote control is broken and you buy ours , then uh you should be able to get everything out of the television that's in it .
A: Yeah . Yeah , that's true . I think so
D: Yeah . Yeah .
B: Yeah .
C: Because otherwise you'll lose functions by buying our A: uh we need to put some research into that if if we can open the menu ,
A: I think it's possible ,
C: Okay ,
A: just the way how to .
C: I thi I think so too .
D: Yeah , yeah .
A: Yeah ,
A: then then you could do everything I suppose ,
A: because usually the T_V_s have tha that inside in this other little piece of software ,
A: so it's okay .
C: And I think that our r remote control should not look like uh any other .
C: For instance uh Sony makes all their remote controls exactly the same for all their devices ,
A: Mm-hmm .
C: and you always grab the wrong one
C: because formatting of the buttons is exactly the same , only the labels are different .
A: Yeah .
A: Yeah I think it should be a little distinct from everything else ,
C: We should not do that .
C: Exactly .
A: because it's either it's both mayb
D: Yeah .
B: Yeah ,
B: I have some ideas . I have some ideas .
A: maybe the shape can be a little different .
A: Maybe it's a little more curves or whatever .
D: Um yeah .
C: Mm that's your uh division . D: And uh with different colours uh .
A: So um B: I'll put some on paper
B: and present them next time uh the ideas that I have .
A: Yeah ,
A: this .
A: Not sure what D: Okay .
A: because we have forty minutes ,
A: I'm not sure how much time we have left for the meeting anyway ,
A: so .
B: I heard a beep go .
A: Yeah ,
A: but it wasn't me ,
A: it was him closing something .
D: Yeah .
A: So anyway , yeah ,
A: we could do some i do some work now on on the design for example .
A: I mean what do you want ,
A: do you want , but B: Yeah ,
B: but we like some some curves
B: or A: Yeah ,
A: may maybe something like this .
A: But though smooth inside .
A: So you have the transmitter here for example .
B: Yeah .
A: Let's see that you what would be handy .
D: Uh . And a light uh A: I think that the the buttons should be the channel buttons should be uh on their own .
A: Let's see
A: one , two A: God damn it .
B: Oh ,
B: we get the general ideas , yes .
A: Yeah , okay . A: Another one here .
A: Let's see what A: I think this should A: these are always on top of the of the control ,
C: Hmm .
A: so they should be here .
B: Yeah ,
B: and since you're holding it like this , I suggest you put the channel up channel down and volume A: Think it's like this . D: Volume .
A: Withi within the B: yeah yeah .
A: Yeah ,
A: just take it .
B: So
B: you have the up channel the down channel B: the volume , do we want that horizontal or vertical ?
A: Do you take triangles
A: or D: Uh it's it's fine , I think .
A: Um I think it should be I think it  B: This is basically what people are accustomed to ,
C: Yeah .
B: so A: Maybe we should make 'em bigger or whatever .
B: Yeah ,
B: but this is just a g general idea .
D: Oh d A: Yeah .
B: Uh maybe the menu button can go i in the middle .
A: Yeah , in the middle .
A: It's it's usually uh there ,
A: but B: Whoa .
A: Mm .
C: Perhaps we should also make uh something like a flash on it , if you if it's lost , for people that are deaf .
C: They they won't hear the the beep .
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah ,
A: but for example if it's lost in your armchair , we'll not see the flash .
B: You won't be able to find it . C: Yeah .
A: And flash takes up a lot of batteries again .
C: Uh .
C: Yeah , it's true ,
C: but it's it's only has to do so when you press the button that it's lost .
D: Just A: Yeah .
B: We could make a combination that it goes beep and that you that some light lights up .