A: Yellow , okay . Um .
C: I mean I forgot i we're sort of uh C: I don't know what other standard silver kind of D: I think D: Mm .
C: Other parts or uh D: Yeah , the buttons
D: w like , 'cause there's gonna be the the cover the the rubber or the plastic casing and then the buttons in probably two different colours
C: Mm-hmm .
D: or i if we're having buttons actually ,
A: Mm' kay .
A: So yellow for the body ,
D: I don
C: Um .
A: and then what colour for the buttons ?
C: Um I quite like the multi-coloured buttons myself .
D: Yeah .
A: So multi-coloured buttons .
D: You do have ones like um play could be green or on and off is red , and stuff like that , yeah .
A: C: Yeah
C: or yeah a limit uh maybe even just a limited multi-colour so it it doesn't look too childish , perhaps .
D: Makes it easy to use .
D: Yeah , that's true ,
D: because that blue one did look quite hardish .
A: Okay .
C: Yeah .
C: Although I mean this uh uh also comes to shape as well .
C: I mean if we are gonna make it a novel C: I mean double-curved sounds good to me if we're talking about sorta ergonomic and easy use ,
A: Okay .
D: Mm-hmm .
D: Mm-hmm . Yeah .
C: a bit comfier , you know .
D: Yeah .
A: Mm 'kay so the shape we wanna go Um how exactly ?
A: Maybe double D: Like uh an hour glass kind of figure ,
D: is that what you're thinking of ,
D: or just like a C: Yeah it's uh , yeah , that that'd be that's sort of comfortable to hold , easy to hold so you don't drop it .
D: It's not A: What about a banana ?
D: Yeah .
C: D: We could make novelty remote controls .
A: Yeah ?
A: Okay , like we could have a big banana shaped remote control ,
C: Well , yeah ,
C: I mean like D: A: 'cause it's yellow fruit ,
C: Yeah , yeah .
A: right ?
C: Mm and a lemon might be a little hard to grip . Yeah . D: Yeah .
D: But then how would you point it ?
B: Ah
A: B: yeah . Mm-hmm .
D: How would you point it ?
A: Oh i it doesn't matter which end you point , I guess .
D: What A: We could have a little L_E_D_s on each end .
B: Yeah , I appreciate this idea ,
C: They only cost pennies .
D: C: B: because then this  this will help us in our advertisement also
A: B: and we can relate with fruits and vegetables , the people's choices .
B: That what our data shows that ,
D: Yeah .
B: so this w this w
D: y I'm I'm not sure about the banana idea .
C: Huh ?
B: C: Um .
A: So a spongy banana re B: C: I mean that that th D: Rubber banana .
A: Yeah .
D: Okay .
C: does
C: it does seem a bit uh again childish maybe . D: Yeah .
A: Okay , okay .
D: I think maybe just draw on the kind of fruit and vegetable shape .
D: And what else did you say about fashions ?
D: What was trendy ?
B: Uh the fashion trend shows that fruits and vegetables ,
C: S
A: See B: like people uh now C: And sponginess .
D: And spongy , yeah .
A: So maybe an an unidentifiable fruit or fiable fruit or vegetable
B: Spongy .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
A: like so it would have a stem perhaps
A: and a
D: Maybe , yeah .
A: maybe a it'd be s axially symmetric .
C: Huh .
D: Like what's what's that ,
D: I don't even know the name of it ,
D: some kind of , you know where it's like looks like a little snowman kind of thing .
D: I don't know the name of that .
A: So it'd look like this kinda .
D: Yeah , that's what I was thinking .
A: Like a gourd almost , or a squash of some sort ?
C: Uh .
D: Yeah , maybe that's what they are .
C: D: 'Cause that you can hold it in like the bottom bit
D: and A: Yeah ,
A: and it has a a clear top and bottom so y so you could say , you know , it transmits from this end .
D: Yeah .
C: C: Yeah , why the hell not .
C: Let's D: I don't know .
C: that'll make us fifty million Euros .
D: What do you guy What do you think ?
A: C: Um . Well ,
C: I guess it's kind of dra uh
C: you don't necessarily have to have it sort of clearly identified as a fruit just to have that kind of fruitish shape ,
D: No .
A: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
C: yeah ?
B: Yeah , then only we can relate it with something .
C: Yeah , we can relate it by advertising or B: Yeah . Exactly .
A: Okay , so double-curved , single-curved , what do we feel ?
C: Yeah .
B: Or we can do something , we can design two three shapes and we can have a public survey , let the public choose what they want .
D: Uh-huh .
C: There's a good man . There's a good idea .
A: Okay .
D: Okay .
A: Okay um , I guess , since you're the marketing guy .
B: Yeah , sure . I will be happy to do that .
C: A: We'll uh A: Okay , we could do that . Um .
D: Okay .
D: And buttons would , did we say ? Uh different shapes of buttons ?
A: C: Um I l I su
C: I mean for the specific functions , you know , up and down , uh play , stop .
D: Mm .
A: Okay , so
C: They've got , I mean , they've got standard sort of intuitive um
A: so buttons .
C: things that are always used .
D:  A: Okay , just like that .
C: That's cool .
D: Yeah .
C: I like it .
A: Okay .
C: Um . A: With the scroll-wheel or no ?
D: Yeah , what about the scroll wheel and speech recognition ? C: Uh speech recognition , I think ,
C: so we need a microphone presumably .
A: Okay
A: uh I could put the microphone here . C: D: Mm-hmm .
A: Okay there's the microphone .
C: Yeah .
A: Where should I put the microphone ?
C: I mean ho h h wel
C: are we sure that scroll wheel does give ease of use ?
D: Yeah , I'm not sure .
D: Um I mean those ideas I saw were just for inspiration , I think .
C: C: Glad , we're not doing this for real .
D: Um yeah , I can D: no I'm not sure .
A: Okay , well we can do some user test with scroll-wheels , right ?
D: I couldn
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
A: Okay .
C: And uh I think if this this new software for the sound recognition is the microphone D: Yeah .
A: Okay .
A: So should the microphone be just anywhere on it or C: I would put it sort of sub-centrally , so it's C: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
A: 'Kay there's the mic .
C: So it can be sort of held and w  D: That's cool .
A: C: We really need really gonna need to hold it , if it's gonna be voice recognition .
A: Um n well we can D: A: Whoops . C: Oops . D: A: Um .
C: Um .
D: So let's not use the whiteboard any more . C: A: Yeah .
B: A: Um .
C: Upsidaisy . B: A: Oops , sorry .
A: Okay .
D: And uh so what else was there ?
D: Um the D: What about the glow-in-the-dark thing , the strip around it ?
C: A: D: Are we just gonna leave that ?
C: I s I still like it .
C: Um but that's me . D: You still like it .
D: 'Cause we've got the uh technological innovation with the speech recognition system .
A: Right .
C: Yes , or maybe it's just going a bit uh too far .
C: I mean we are pushing it probably with funny fruit shapes .
D: 'Cause um it could D: Yeah .
C: Um don't wanna sort of overkill .
D: Especially with yellow .
D: Mm . I dunno .
A: Hmm .
C: 'Cause I mean like uh if we C: I mean how good is the speech recognition thing ?
C: Do we want to go for buttons at all ,
C: do we want to just have a device that maybe sits and pretends it's a fruit ? D: Then you put it in the fruit bowl ?
A: A:  They can work from a C: Yeah ,
C: you know , and then you just tal
C: I mean like everybody's got fruit bowl in front of the telly .
A: You don't have to hold it .
A: Yeah .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: D: A: I it could even encourage healthier habits for television watchers ,
C: Um . D: Yeah .
A: you know they have uh fruits all round them .
C: Yeah .
C: Make them make them think of fruit , yeah .
A: Now just make sure they don't eat the remote .
B: Yeah .
C: I mean uh some uh I
D: Yeah , do we need buttons ?
C: l like think of a fruit that could sit sort of independently on its own like uh , I dunno , an apple .
D: Mm .
C: Then it's just apple so sort of C: Uh , yellow apples though Hmm . A: Yeah . D: I quite like the shape . I quite like the design of that ,
D: uh 'cause that could sit on its own and it's quite got a quite steady base .
A: C: Yeah . Okay , yeah , that's good .
C: Groovy .
A: Okay . But yeah D: Um
D: and as we say we n we don't wanna be too ridiculous with the fruit things you know .
C: C: Yeah , . D: A: But yeah , about the speech thing , it doesn't have to be hand held or close .
A: It can sit at a distance and pick it up still .
C: Yeah .
D: Okay .
C: So I mean like you could actually C: Yeah , gives you the options .
B: Or we can B: we can do one thing ,
B: we can just have a remote control and casings of different different shapes ,
B: different fruit shapes in such a way that a any casing can be could be fit into this mobile general piece .
D: Mm-hmm .
D: Mm-hmm .
B: So whatever people want , like if somebody want it in banana shape , we will put that casing onto that mobile phone , okay ,
D: Mm-hmm .
C: So a selection of casings .
B: it will look l
B: Uh yeah .
D: Yeah ,
B: In that w
C: It kind of fi it fits with f fits with marketing um D: 'cause you said about disposable ,
D: didn't you ?
B: S s sorry ?
D: You said about disposable earli people want disposable things
D: so we could do that , like have a choice .
C: B: Uh like if this is a like if this is a mobile phone uh we will design casing in such a way like half of , we need not to have a full cover , we will just have a half of cover ,
D: Yeah .
B: okay ?
C: Like like mobiles , yeah .
B: If somebody wants it i in banana shape , we will fit banana shape casing onto that , so it will give a banana shape look .
D: Yeah .
B: If somebody wanted in apple shape we will design that , we will put we will put apple shape casing on that .
B: It will give apple shape look .
D: Okay .
B: So in that way you can have any , that means whatever you want ,
C: D: Okay .
B: without uh yeah .
D: We still need the buttons in the same places thought ,
B: Yeah ,
D: don't we ?
B: button will be on the upper side , buttons will be the on the upper side .
C: You can standardise those ,
C: I mean .
D: D: Oh , that's the other side . Oh , okay .
B: Yeah , buttons will be on the upper side , lower side we will just put the casing ,
B: so half of that will be look the D: Oh , half a fruit . Oh , okay , okay .
B: Yeah , not not the upper side .
B: So from lower you can ,
B: it means while you are holding of from this side you c you can have banana look or apple look , whatever .
D: Okay , okay .
B: So in that way we need not to d have different different shape mobiles everything , we will just design casings fruit shape .
D: Okay .
A: Yeah yeah .
C: I think tho I think if you're gonna have a facia then you'd want to have it so that it does go over the buttons ,
B: And C: 'cause when C: if you think about it if they're wanting it , 'cause they want to look at it , if they're using it , and what they want to look at is facing away from them . It doesn't really D: Mm mm .
C: You know 'cause that'd be in the palm of their hand and they wouldn't be able to see it ,
D: Yeah .
C: unless you have sort of you got the buttons options on one side , and you get the facia on the other side with a microphone so that you can place it face down .
C: And you've got the facia , and you can just talk at the D: Mm-hmm .
C: Maybe . A:  A: Okay , um so B: C: So you've narrowed it down to half a dozen options .
A: Yeah ,
B: A: s I guess we decided on material ,
A: right ?
A: So that that spongy latex rubber everything feel ,
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
A: and the colours we got down ,
D: Yeah .
A: and the shape , maybe we'll just make it kinda mix and match type of shape or C: Yeah .
D: Well , um because D: Well , I I'm not sure if we should go so far in the whole fruit thing ,
D: because I think we should maybe just take the inspiration from the fruit
D: and uh because what C: Okay ,
C: so we stick with what we've got there .
D: Yeah ,
D: w I think wh wha would D: we're trying to get to twenty five , thirty five year olds who want it quite trendy as well they said .
D: They wanted something that looks fancy
D: and I think maybe fruit could be a bit of a too much of a gimmick ,
D: but something ergonomically shaped and organic , like good to hold , based on fruits and natural things like that ,
C: Mm 'kay .
D: because al already we're going a bit gaudy with the yellow , you know .
A: Yeah .
C: Mm-hmm . D: I mean we could make it nice pale yellow .
C: Well , it's kind of gotta be our company's yellow . D: Okay .
A: Okay .
D: Okay .
C: So again I mean like we could have , uh I mean , we could quite easily have the the main body be a different
D: Yeah .
D: Maybe we could have that pale yellow and then an outside bit bright yellow with , you said , the logan the slogan .
C: colour , but have C: kinda going round , yeah .
A: Mm .
D: Because C: Um I mean e even if C: I mean not necessarily that the um the whole body has to be of the company colour ,
C: so you know um blue and yellow tend to go to we well together .
D: Yeah .
C: So you have the main body blue with the yellow logo and slogan running up one side of it kind of thing .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
D: Uh-huh .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: W sort of A: Great .
A: Um as for the energy source um , you know , almost every remote control uses just batteries ,
A: but we don't have to be limited by that .
A: We can use a hand-dynamo .
A: Um I don't know what that means ,
C: Uh It's I think it's basically the more you move i it , it's got a wee thing inside that just kinda powers it .
A: we crank it ? A: Right , it's like those watches that you c
C: Uh yeah .
A: So , this might be an idea for something that people really wanna grab , you can shake it if it's out of power .
D: Oh , a d a dynamo ?
B: Yeah , .
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah , I like that , yeah .
B: D: Yeah , like with those watches that you kind of twist .
C: Yeah .
D: Yeah that's quite cool .
A: Okay . So if it if it's not working , I guess people's natural reaction anyway is to just shake the thing . C: Okay .
B: But  C: You shake it and scream at it .
C: Yeah .
B: But but do you think that it will be a good idea to use dynamo , tha these type of cells ?
D: Yeah , it is , yeah .
B: Because then people have to , well like if the cell is out of bat
C: It does leave them with an obligation to B: Yeah , to
C: Especially if they want to use it uh uh sp uh specifically as um voice activated .
B: mo Yeah .
B: Yeah ,
C: Then if it's just sitting on the B: because most of the people A: Right .
D: Yeah , then they have to pick it up and then activate it and then Yeah .
B: Yeah . C: Okay , okay .
D: That's true .
A: Okay .
C: Right um what are the other options ?
A: Uh there's solar power . Um .
B: Uh , solar power will w also not be a good idea ,
B: because then they have to keep m their mobiles outside in solar energy ,
C: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
B: and the days when there is no sola sunlight  C: I'm I'm with uh Raj on that ,
B: Yeah . Yeah .
C: I think , you know ,
A: Okay , so probably just D: C: I've got I've got no I've got a north facing house , there's not really ever sun coming in my window .
B: What we w
B: yeah .
D: But w like just normal light ?
B: I think we should a rechargeable battery will be a good idea .
C: Oh that's true .
B: They can they can recharge it .
D: C: I mean I w I w uh
C: that idea that I thought C: um just on the basis of like ridding them of batteries and that kind of bother
A: Mm .
D: And we're a very environmentally friendly company , aren't we as well ?
C: is having a ,
C: yeah ,
C: having a rechargeable stand ,
B: Yeah .
C: so that not only it doubles as a stand , but um for using it as uh recharging it , but also for using it as sound recognition .
D: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
A: 'Kay .
D: Like like a hand D: like one of those portable phones kind of thing .
C: Yeah that kind of thing .
B: Yeah , that's Yeah , exactly .
A: Okay .
A: So uh a rechargeable battery .
C: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
A: Okay .
C: Rechargeable .
A: Um the user interface , the buttons , I guess we talked about this already .
D: Mm .
C: . What's chip on print ?
A: Um .
C: What's A: Hmm ?
C: Sorry , never mind . A: Uh th the uh
A: the electronics um , basically the more features we add um A: Oops , this one .
A: So the more features we add the fancier chips we need to buy and put in ,
D: Mm-hmm .
A: which adds to the cost as you can expect .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Um .
A: But uh I think we can keep it all under budget .
A: So uh yes ,
A: so the speech thing you said our our techno our research and development department came up with some break-through .
D: Mm-hmm .