Project Manager: No uh , not too much buttons or mm .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , not too much buttons and Marketing: Should it be , y you know these uh remote controls where um they are what they call a universal ret remote control
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: so y you can decide that now it's the remote control for the television , then it's the remote control for the the sound system , or for your refrigerator
Industrial Designer: Uh . Yeah .
Project Manager:  Yeah ,
Industrial Designer: Marketing: whatever Project Manager: that's Marketing: I dunno if it's Project Manager: Marketing: Or if we should have a targeted re remote control .
Project Manager: Okay .
Marketing: So colour , robustness , easy to use , size ,
Project Manager: So , I think there's Marketing: yeah , size matters , yeah . Industrial Designer: Yeah . Colour , size , sh
Project Manager: So you you think it's better if small than bigger .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , maybe at least n not bigger than this I guess . Marketing: Mm .
User Interface: Yeah , but without any extremes like n not of this size , not too large . Okay .
Marketing: Project Manager: No , not too small , yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah , at least it should hold in your hand n properly , like .
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: Hmm .
User Interface: Yeah , like a palm sized .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . User Interface: Just to hold it .
Marketing: Mm .
Project Manager: Okay .
Marketing: But uh what would be different from this , from the others ? I dunno if  Industrial Designer: Uh maybe we can change the colours that at least the frame . Mm . S so then it depends Marketing: Yeah , at least the colour would be different .
Industrial Designer: you are to Project Manager: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Mm I mean you c you can easily remove the frame .
Marketing: I think one thing important for instance in this remote control if you remember when people use it they're they never find a good button in the right place .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .
Marketing: For some reason they they they click the off button when they want to use the Industrial Designer: Yeah . Yeah .
Marketing: So there's a problem in the design of that kind of remote control somehow ,
Project Manager: Mm . So , some kind of idea uh with um um cellular phone with a a screen that will tell you what Marketing: I dunno .
User Interface: No ,
Project Manager: no .
User Interface: no screens , it's too complex .
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Mm . Too expensive , yeah .
Marketing: Too expensive for twelve Euro ?
User Interface: And n maybe not too expensive ,
Project Manager: And too expensive .
User Interface: well it's not my problem , but well okay .
Marketing: Ah .
User Interface: But no screens on remote controls .
Project Manager: Mm .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . I thought it could be only a screen which would change depending on uh uh the use or even the user .
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: So ma I prefer to have the off button at the top right ,
Industrial Designer: Ye yeah .
Marketing: so I would have my own design of the remote control because it's in fact just a a full touch screen remote control ,
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
Marketing: if you if you like .
Industrial Designer: I mean it it's like
Marketing: I don't know if it makes sense , but Project Manager: Mm-mm .
Industrial Designer: it's like two types no ? people are right handed or left handed so y because I am left handed I use like this , say if you're right handed you use like this
Marketing: Yeah , for instance , mm .
User Interface: Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm mm mm .
Industrial Designer: or so tha your switch on and off should be on
Marketing: Mm .
Project Manager: So adaptable  yeah something User Interface: Adaptable . Alright , good ,
Industrial Designer: yeah .
Marketing: Maybe , if if it's possible , yeah .
Project Manager: yeah .
Industrial Designer: Mm User Interface: so how many actions do we need to implement in it ?
Industrial Designer: huh .
User Interface: On off ?
Industrial Designer: Maybe I think even we can keep two switches and then we can uh only make one working .
Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: We can adapt only one switch , suppose here like we can make two switches and if I'm left-hander I use this switch to follow the main operations .
User Interface: I mean if it's less than three uh then we can make it uh like a
Industrial Designer: Two .
Marketing: Three buttons you mean ?
User Interface: like three mental states ,
Project Manager: Three option .
User Interface: yeah you know what I mean ,
Marketing: Ah . Project Manager: User Interface: we can just make it uh
Industrial Designer:  Yeah . Yeah .
Project Manager: Um .
User Interface: controlled by a brain , huh ? Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Marketing: Mm-hmm , yeah , sure . Project Manager: Maybe if it's more , if there is a software inside
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: that ask you three User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: Marketing:   Project Manager: If it if we want a r universal remote control that we sa like we say before it may may need more than three mm three button , three mm possibilities , ye yeah .
User Interface: Sh sure , sure .
Marketing: Yeah , more than three actions that you may want to do at a given time .
Industrial Designer: Mm yeah . Yeah . User Interface: But for standard actions you usually what do you do , you change channels , you adjust volume , and nothing else .
Marketing: Yeah but for instance when you change channels you can have you can just go to the next one or go to channel twenty five .
Industrial Designer: Mm . Yeah .
Project Manager: Mm . Marketing: And that's already more complex to go to channel twenty five . User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: User Interface: You do this ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Uh no .
User Interface: I usually just change channels .
Industrial Designer: Marketing: Because I'm only using three or four channels but  Industrial Designer: Yeah . But they keep generally their t slash slash uh this thing and then the dash dash and then you can put yeah , you can only have one bit .
Project Manager: Yeah . I change channel like this , m uh I want to go to twenty five , and then to ten , uh-huh mm yeah .
Industrial Designer: Dash .
Marketing: And then back to the one I was before ,
Project Manager: Also we can be here Marketing: so there's whichever it was .
User Interface: Uh-huh .
Industrial Designer: Yeah you can
Project Manager: yeah , that would be cool .
Industrial Designer: yeah .
User Interface: Go back button is good .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah . Uh uh we had that in in other countries .
User Interface: I once had it .
Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah , the previous button is .
Project Manager: Mm yeah .
Marketing: Yeah e even the history so you could like uh undo previous of the previous . User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Uh , okay . User Interface: History . Industrial Designer: Oh uh .
Project Manager: Marketing: Then you can watch what your ah you could also record your record your sequence of actions ,
Industrial Designer: Uh .
Project Manager: Industrial Designer: Yeah .  Marketing: that becomes more complex ,
Project Manager: Industrial Designer: Marketing: but you could look at what uh the other people have used there or  remote controls .
Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah , what the which channels the viewer  Project Manager: Mm-mm .
Marketing: Yeah Project Manager: Okay .
Marketing: maybe it's a Project Manager: So I think we have full of idea .
Marketing: Okay .