Postdoc E: Well , sss , {comment} you know PhD G :
Grad C: But that 's not really like Postdoc E: Hhh .
Grad C: No one really says " argh , " you know ,
Postdoc E :
PhD G: Yeah . Right , no one say
Grad C: it 's not Professor F: Well , you just did .
PhD B: Except for now !
Grad C: Well , there 's another there 's another word error .
Grad D :
Postdoc E: Yeah . That 's right .
Grad D: Yes , that 's right . We 're gonna have a big problem when we talk about that .
Grad C: Cha - ching .
PhD G: Ah .
PhD B: We 're gonna never recognize this meeting .
Grad D: In Monty Python you say " argh " a lot .
Postdoc E: OK .
Grad C: Oh yeah ?
Grad D: So . Well , or if you 're a C programmer .
Grad C: Mmm .
Grad D: You say arg - C and arg - V all the time .
Postdoc E: Yeah , that 's right .
Professor F: Yeah .
Postdoc E: That 's right .
Grad C: That 's true .
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Professor F: Yeah
PhD G: But it has a different prosody .
Professor F: Arg .
Grad D: It does .
Grad C: Mm - hmm .
Professor F: Arg arg - max , arg - min , yeah .
Grad D: Ah !
Postdoc E: Uh ,
PhD G: So , Jane , what 's the d
Grad D: Maybe he died while dictating .
Postdoc E: so .
PhD G: I have one question about the the " EH " versus like the " AH " and the " UH " .
Postdoc E: That 's partly a nonnative - native thing ,
PhD G: OK .
Postdoc E: but I have found " EH " in native speakers too .
PhD G :
Postdoc E: But it 's mostly non - native PhD A: H
PhD B: That 's " eh " versus " ah " ?
PhD G: S OK .
Postdoc E: Eh .
Grad D: Eh ?
PhD G: " Eh , " yeah right , cuz there were were some speakers that did definite " eh 's "
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
PhD G: but right now we PhD B: They were the Canadians , right ?
Professor F: Canadians , yeah , yeah , yeah .
Postdoc E: That 's right .
PhD G: So , it it 's actually probably good for us to know the difference between the real " eh " and the one that 's just like " uh " or transcribed " aaa "
Postdoc E: Exactly .
PhD G: cuz in like in Switchboard , you would see e all of these forms , but they all were like " uh " .
Grad D: You mean just the single letter " a " {comment} as in the particle ?
PhD A: The transcription or Grad D: Article .
PhD G: No , no , I mean like the the " UH " ,
Postdoc E: " UH " .
Grad D: Oh .
PhD G: or the " UH " , " EH " , " AH " were all the same . And then , we have this additional non - native version of uh , like " eeh " .
Grad C: All the " EH " 's I 've seen have been like that . They 've been like " eh " like that have bee has been transcribed to " EH " . And sometimes it 's stronger ,
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm , that 's right .
Grad C: like " eeh " {comment} which is like closer to " EH " .
Postdoc E: Mmm .
PhD G: Right .
Grad C: But .
Grad D: I 'm just these poor transcribers , they 're gonna hate this meeting .
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Grad C: I know . We should go off - line .
Postdoc E: Well , we 're not doing We 're not doing length .
Professor F: Quick Thilo , do a do a filled pause for us .
Postdoc E: Yeah , that 's right .
PhD A: Ooo {comment} no .
PhD G: But you 're a native German speaker so it 's not a not a issue for PhD A: Yeah .
PhD G: It 's only Grad D: Them Canadians .
PhD G: Onl yeah . No , only if you don't have lax vowels , I guess .
Grad D: Oh .
PhD G: Right .
Postdoc E: This makes sense .
PhD G: So it 's like Japanese and Spanish
Postdoc E: Yeah I I think you 've uh - huh , yeah .
Grad D: Oh I see .
Professor F: Uh - huh .
PhD G: and Grad D: I didn't get that ,
Postdoc E: That makes sense .
Grad D: OK .
Postdoc E: Yeah , and so , you know , I mean , th th I have there are some , um , Americans who who are using this " eh " too , and I haven't listened to it systematically , maybe with some of them , uh , they 'd end up being " uh 's " but , uh , I my spot - checking has made me think that we do have " eh " in also , um , American e e data represented here . But any case , that 's the this is reduced down from really quite a long a much longer list ,
PhD G: Yeah this is great .
Grad C: Mm - hmm .
Grad D: Yeah , it 's good ,
Postdoc E: and this is
Grad D: yeah .
PhD G: This is really really helpful .
Postdoc E: functionally pretty , you know , also It was fascinating , I was listening to some of these , uh , I guess two nights ago , and it 's just hilarious to liste to to do a search for the " mm - hmm 's " . And you get " mm - hmm " and diff everybody 's doing it .
Grad D: And just listen to them ? Yeah .
Postdoc E: Just I wanted to say I w think it would be fun to make a montage of it because there 's a " Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .
Grad D: Performance art ,
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm . "
Grad D: just extract them all .
PhD G: Right .
Postdoc E: It 's really it 's really fun to listen to .
PhD B: Morgan can make a song out of it .
Postdoc E: All these different vocal tracts , you know , but it 's it 's the same item . It 's very interesting . OK . Uh , then the acronyms y and the ones in parentheses are ones which the transcriber wasn't sure of ,
Grad D: Oh I see .
Postdoc E: and I haven't been able to listen to to to clarify , but you can see that the parenthesis convention makes it very easy to find them
Grad D: o How about question mark ?
Postdoc E: cuz it 's the only place where where they 're used .
PhD A: The question marks , yeah . What are those ?
Postdoc E: Question mark is punctuation . So it they said that @ @ Grad C: Mm - hmm .
Grad D: Oh .
Postdoc E: um , " DC ? "
PhD A: Ah .
Grad D: So they so it 's " PLP ? "
Postdoc E: Exactly . Exactly . Yeah , so the only Well , and I do have a stress marker here . Sometimes the contrastive stress is showing up , and , um Professor F: I 'm sorry , I I got lost here . What - w what 's the difference between the parenthesized acronym and the non - parenthesized ?
Postdoc E: The parenthesized is something that the transcriber thought was ANN , but wasn't entirely sure . So I 'd need to go back or someone needs to go back , and say , you know , yes or no ,
Professor F: Ah .
Postdoc E: and then get rid of the parentheses .
PhD G: Right .
Postdoc E: But the parentheses are used only in that context in the transcripts , of of noti noticing that there 's something uncertain .
Grad D: Yeah , P - make is PhD G: Yeah I mean cuz they they have no idea ,
Grad D: That 's a good one . That 's correct .
PhD G: right . If you hear CTPD , I mean , they do pretty well
Professor F: Yeah .
Grad C: Mm - hmm .
PhD G: but it 's Professor F: I I don't recognize a lot of these .
PhD G: you know how are how are they gonna know ?
Grad C: Yeah .
Grad D: I know ! I I was saying that I think a lot of them are the Networks meeting .
Professor F: I Postdoc E: I think that 's true .
Professor F: Maybe .
Postdoc E: Yeah , absolutely .
Grad D: I see a few .
Postdoc E: NSA ,
PhD G: Yeah .
Postdoc E: a lot of these are are coming from them . I listened to some of that .
Grad C: Yeah , we don't have that many acronyms comparatively in this meeting .
Grad D: Although I see I see plenty of uh
Postdoc E: Yeah . Yeah . I agree .
Grad C: It 's not so bad .
PhD G: Right .
Postdoc E: And Robustness has a fair amount ,
PhD A: Yeah .
Grad C: Mmm .
Postdoc E: but the NSA group is just very very many .
PhD G: The recognizer , it is funny . Kept getting PTA for PDA .
Grad D: Yeah , that 's pretty close .
Professor F: Yeah .
PhD G: This is close , right ,
Grad C: That 's not bad .
PhD G: and the PTA was in these , uh , topics about children ,
Postdoc E: Yeah .
PhD G: so , anyway .
Postdoc E: That 's interesting .
PhD G: Is the P - PTA working ?
Postdoc E: Right and sometimes , I mean , you see a couple of these that are actually " OK 's " so it 's it 's may be that they got to the point where I mean it was low enough understandable understandability that they weren't entirely sure the person said " OK . " You know , so it isn't really necessarily a an undecipherable acronym ,
Grad C: There 's a lot of " OK 's " .
Postdoc E: but just n needs to be double checked . Now we get to the comments . This Professor F: The number to the left is the number of incidences ?
Grad D: Count . Yep .
Postdoc E: Number of times out of the entire database ,
Professor F: Uh - huh .
Postdoc E: w except for that last thirty minutes I haven't checked yet .
Professor F: So CTS is really big here ,
Grad D: Yeah , I wonder what it is .
Professor F: yeah . Yeah .
PhD A: So what is the difference between " papers rustling " and " rustling papers " ?
Professor F: IP , I know what IP is .
Postdoc E: I 'd have to listen . I I I agree . I w I 'd like to standardize these down farther but , um , uh , uh , to me that sounds equivalent .
PhD A: Yeah .
Postdoc E: But , I I 'm a little hesitant to to collapse across categories unless I actually listen to them .
PhD A: Seems so .
Professor F: OK .
Grad D: Oh I 'm sure we 've said XML more than five times .
Postdoc E: Well , then , at least now .
PhD A: Now it 's at least six times , yeah .
Professor F: S s six now , yeah .
Postdoc E: Yeah . Six . OK well Professor F: Wh - the self - referential aspect of these these p
PhD G: I 'm wai
Grad C: Yeah .
Grad D: Yes , it 's very bad .
PhD G: Well this is exactly how people will prove that these meetings do differ because we 're recording , right ?
Grad D: Yes .
PhD G: Y no normally you don't go around saying , " Now you 've said it six times .
Grad D: Yeah {comment} that 's right .
PhD G: Now you 've said "
Postdoc E: But did you notice that there were seven hundred and eighty five instances of " OK " ?
PhD A: Seven hundred eighty - five instances .
Postdoc E: And that 's just without the without punc punctuation .
Grad C: Yeah .
Grad D: Yep .
Professor F: No , I didn't . Yeah .
Grad D: And that 's an underestimate
Postdoc E: Extra forty one if it 's questioned .
PhD B: Where 's that ?
Grad D: cuz they 're Yep .
Professor F: So th
Postdoc E: On the page two of acronyms .
Grad C: Is this after like did you do some uh replacements for all the different form of " OK " to this ?
Professor F: Yeah . Seven hundred eighty .
Postdoc E: Yeah . Of " OK " , yes .
Grad C: OK .
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm . So that 's the single existing convention for " OK " .
PhD B: Wait a minute , w s
Professor F: So now we 're up to seven hundred and eighty eight .
Postdoc E: Yeah that 's Grad C: Although , what 's there 's one with a slash after it . That 's kind of disturbing .
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Grad D: Yeah , we 'll have to look at it you know .
Postdoc E: That 's that 's I looked for that one .
PhD G: Yeah .
Grad C: Anyway .
Postdoc E: I actually explicitly looked for that one ,
Grad C: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc E: and I think that , um , I I 'm not exactly sure about that .
PhD B: Was that somewhere where they were gonna say " new speaker " or something ?
Postdoc E: No , I looked for that , but that doesn't actually exist . And it may be , I don't I can't explain that .
Grad C: That 's alright . I 'm just pointing that out .
Postdoc E: I i it 's the only Grad C: There 's Postdoc E: it 's the only pattern that has a slash after it , and I think it 's it 's an epiphenomenon .
PhD G: Well there 's not @ @ .
Grad D: So I 'll just I was just looking at the bottom of page three there , is that " to be " or " not to be " .
Postdoc E: Yeah .
PhD B: There 's no tilde in front of it ,
Postdoc E: Oh that 's cute .
PhD B: so .
Postdoc E: That 's funny . Yeah .
Grad D: OK anyways , sorry .
Postdoc E: OK .
Grad D: " Try to stay on topic , Adam . "
Postdoc E: There is th one Y well , no , that 's r that 's legitimate . So now , uh , comments , you can see they 're listed again , same deal , with exhaustive listing of everything found in everything except for these final th thirty minutes .
Grad D: OK so , um , on some of these QUALs ,
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Grad D: are they really QUALs , or are they glosses ? So like there 's a " QUAL TCL " .
Postdoc E: " TCL " . Where do you see that ?
Grad D: Uh
Postdoc E: Oh , oh . The reason is because w it was said " tickle " .
Professor F: What 's a QUAL ?
Grad D: Oh I see , I see .
Grad C: Hmm .
Grad D: So it 's not gloss . OK , I see .
Postdoc E: Yep .
Grad C: Sh - shouldn't it be " QUAL TICKLE " or something ?
Grad D: It wasn't said " TCL " . Of course .
Grad C: Like it 's not Postdoc E: On the in the actual script in the actual transcript , I s I So this this happens in the very first one .
Grad C: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc E: I actually wrote it as " tickle " .
Grad C: OK .
Postdoc E: Because we they didn't say " TCL " , they said " tickle " .
Grad C: Yeah .
Postdoc E: And then , following that is " QUAL TCL " .
PhD G: Right .
Grad C: Oh I see . OK .
Professor F: I f I forget , what 's QUAL ?
Postdoc E: Qual - qualifier .
PhD B: It 's just comment about what they said .
Grad C: Yeah .
Postdoc E: Comment .
Grad C: It 's not something you wanna replace with
Postdoc E: Comment or contextual comment .
PhD B: So they didn't mean " tickle " as in Elmo ,
Grad C: but PhD A: Tickle ?
Professor F: Yeah .
PhD B: they meant " tickle " as in Grad D: Yeah .
PhD G: Huh .
Professor F: Right .
PhD G: But at some point I mean , we probably shoul
Grad D: We 'll probably add it to the language model .
PhD G: But we should add it to the dictionar
Grad D: Yeah .
PhD G: No , to the pronunciation model .
Grad D: What did I say ?
PhD A: To the language model model .
PhD G: Language , uh Grad D: Well both .
PhD B: Add what , Liz ?
Grad D: We can go on lan lan add it to both dictionary and language model .
PhD G: Oh lan Oh OK - we OK
PhD A: Yeah .
PhD G: it 's in the language model , w yeah , but it so it 's the pronunciation model that has to have a pronunciation of " tickle " .
Grad D: Well " tickle " was pronounced " tickle " . Right ?
PhD A: " tickle " is pronounced " tickle " ?
PhD B: What are you saying ?
Grad D: It 's pronounced the same it 's pronounced the same as the verb .
PhD G: I 'm sorry !
Grad D: So I think it 's the language model that makes it different .
PhD G: Oh , sorry . What I meant is that there should be a pronunciation " tickle " for TCL as a word .
PhD A: Yeah .
Grad D: Oh I see .
PhD G: And that word in the in , you know , it stays in the language model wherever it was .
Professor F: Mm - hmm .
Grad D: Right . Right .
Professor F: Right .
PhD G: Yeah you never would put " tickle " in the language model in that form ,
Postdoc E :
Grad D: Right .
PhD G: yeah . Right . There 's actually a bunch of cases like this with people 's names and PhD B: So how w there 'd be a problem for doing the language modeling then with our transcripts the way they are .
PhD G: Yes . Yeah . Yeah so th th there there 's a few cases like that where the um , the word needs to be spelled out in in a consistent way as it would appear in the language , but there 's not very many of these . Tcl 's one of them .
Grad D: And and you 'll ha you 'll have to do it sychronously .
PhD G: Um , y yeah .
Grad D: Right , so y so , whoever 's creating the new models , will have to also go through the transcripts and change them synchronously .
Grad C: It 's just disturbing .
PhD G: Right .
PhD B: Hmm .
PhD G: Right . We have this there is this thing I was gonna talk to you about at some point about , you know , what do we do with the dictionary as we 're up updating the dictionary , these changes have to be consistent with what 's in the Like spelling people 's names and so forth . If we make a spelling correction to their name , like someone had Deborah Tannen 's name mispelled , and since we know who that is , you know , we could correct it ,
Grad D: You can correct it . Yeah .
PhD G: but but we need to make sure we have the mispel If it doesn't get corrected we have to have a pronunciation as a mispelled word in the dictionary .
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
PhD G: Things like that .
Grad D: These are so funny to read .
Postdoc E: Well , of course now the the Tannen corre the spelling c change .
PhD G: So .
Postdoc E: Uh , that 's what gets I I picked those up in the frequency check .
PhD G: Right . Right . So if there 's things that get corrected before we get them , it 's it 's not an issue ,
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm .
PhD G: but if there 's things that um , we change later , then we always have to keep our the dictionary up to date . And then , yeah , in the case of " tickle " I guess we would just have a , you know , word " TCL " which PhD B: Mm - hmm .
Grad D: You add it to the dictionary .
PhD G: which normally would be an acronym , you know , " TCL "
Grad D: Right .
PhD G: but just has another pronunciation .
Grad D: Yep .
Postdoc E: " ICSI " is is one of those that sometimes people pronounce and sometimes they say " ICSI . "
Grad D: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc E: So , those that are l are listed in the acronyms , I actually know
PhD G: Oh yeah .
Postdoc E: they were said as letters . The others , um , e those really do need to be listened to cuz I haven't been able to go to all the IC ICSI things ,
PhD G: Right , exactly .
Postdoc E: and {comment} and until they 've been listened to they stay as " ICSI " .
Grad D: Mm - hmm .
PhD G: Right .
Professor F: Don and I were just noticing , love this one over on page three , " vocal vocal gesture mimicking sound of screwing something into head to hold mike in place . "
Grad C: That 's great .
Grad D: It 's this , " rrre - rrre - rrre " . It was me .
Postdoc E: It was ! In fact , it was ! Yeah !
Grad D: A lot of these are me the the " beep is said with a high pit high pitch and lengthening . "
Postdoc E: He he s he said he said get PhD A: To head .
Grad D: That was the I was imitating uh , beeping out Postdoc E: Yeah , that 's it .
Professor F: Beep .
Postdoc E: Perfect . Yeah that 's it .
Professor F: Yeah .
PhD G: Oh there is something spelled out " BEEEEEEP "
Grad C: Um Postdoc E: That 's it .
Grad C: Yeah .
Postdoc E: Yeah , that 's that 's been changed .
PhD G: in the old Thank you . Because he was saying , " How many E 's do I have to allow for ? "
Grad C: You need a lot of Grad D: What I meant was " beep " .
Grad C: You need a lot of qualification Adam .
Grad D: I guess so .
Postdoc E: That 's been changed . So , exactly , that 's where the lengthening comment c came in .
Grad C: Subtext .
Grad D: Anyway .
Postdoc E: s chan brought it down .
PhD G: Right , thanks , yeah .
Grad D: So they 're vocalization ,
PhD G: Right .
Postdoc E: And those of course get get picked up in the frequency check
Grad D: glosses .
Postdoc E: because you see " beep "
PhD G: Right .
Postdoc E: and you know I mean it gets kicked out in the spelling , and it also gets kicked out in the , uh , freq frequency listing .
PhD G: Right . Right .
Postdoc E: I have the there 're various things like " breathe " versus " breath " versus " inhale " and , hhh , you know , I don't know . I I think they don't have any implications for anything else so it 's like I 'm tempted to leave them for now an and It 's easy enough to find them when they 're in curly brackets . We can always get an exhaustive listing of these things and find them and change them .
PhD G: Yeah .
Professor F: " Sings finale - type song "
Grad C: Yeah , that was in the first meeting .
Professor F: that 's that 's good .
PhD G: Yeah .
Grad D: Um ,
Postdoc E: Yeah , but I don't actually remember what it was . But that was Eric did that .
Professor F: Yeah .
Grad D: So on Postdoc E: Yeah .
Professor F: Tah - dah ! I don't know .
Postdoc E: I think maybe something like that .
Professor F: Something like that maybe , yeah .
Postdoc E: Well , that 'd qualify .
Grad D: On the glosses for numbers ,
Postdoc E: Yeah .
Grad D: it seems like there are lots of different ways it 's being done .
Postdoc E: OK . Interesting question .
Grad D: There 's a Postdoc E: Yes . OK , now first of all Ooo - ooo ! Very important .
Grad D: " Ooo - ooo . "
Postdoc E: Uh Chuck Chuck led to a refinement here which is to add " NUMS " if these are parts of the read numbers . Now you already know i that I had , uh , in places where they hadn't transcribed numbers , I put " numbers " in place of any kind of numbers , but there are places where they , um , it th this convention came later an and at the very first digits task in some transcripts they actually transcribed numbers . And , um , d Chuck pointed out that this is read speech , and it 's nice to have the option of ignoring it for certain other prob uh p uh , things . And that 's why there 's this other tag here which occurs a hundred and five or three hundred and five times right now which is just well n n " NUMS " by itself
Grad D: " NUMS " , yeah .
Postdoc E: which means this is part of the numbers task . I may change it to " digits " . I mean , i with the sed command you can really just change it however you want because it 's systematically encoded , you know ?
Grad D: Yep .
Postdoc E: Have to think about what 's the best for for the overall purposes , but in any case , um , " numbers " and " NUMS " are a part of this digits task thing . Um , now th Then I have these numbers that have quotation marks around them . Um , I didn't want to put them in as gloss comments because then you get the substitution . And actually , th um , the reason I b did it this way was because I initially started out with the other version , you have the numbers and you have the full form and the parentheses , however sometimes people stumble over these numbers they 're saying . So you say , " Seve - seventy eight point two " , or whatever . And there 's no way of capturing that if you 're putting the numbers off to the side . You can't have the seven and Grad D: So what 's to the left of these ?
Postdoc E: The left is i so example the very first one ,
Grad D: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc E: it would be , spelled out in words , " point five " .
Grad D: OK , that 's what I was asking . Right .
Postdoc E: Only it 's spelled out in words .
Grad D: Point FIVE , yeah .
Postdoc E: So i this is also spelled out in in words . " Point five . "
Grad D: Good .
Postdoc E: And then , in here , " NUMS " , so it 's not going to be mistaken as a gloss . It comes out as " NUMS quote dot five " .
Grad D: OK now , the other example is , in the glosses right there ,
Postdoc E: Thank you .
Grad D: " gloss one one one dash one three zero " .
Grad C: Right .
Grad D: What what 's to the left of that ?
Postdoc E: Well now In that case it 's people saying things like " one one one dash so - and - so " or they 're saying uh " two I mean zero " whatever .
Grad D: OK .
Postdoc E: And in that case , it 's part of the numbers task , and it 's not gonna be included in the read digits anyway ,
PhD B: So there will be a " NUMS " tag on those lines ?
Postdoc E: so I m in the uh There is .
PhD B: Yeah .
Postdoc E: Yeah . I 've added that all now too .
Grad C: There 's a " numbers " tag Grad D: Good .
Grad C: I 'm sorry I 'm I didn't follow that last thing .
PhD G: Wait .
Postdoc E: So , so gloss in the same line that would have " gloss quote one one one dash one thirty " , you 'd have a gloss at the end of the line saying , uh , " curly bracket NUMS curly bracket " .
Grad C: Right .
Postdoc E: So if you if you did a , uh , a " grep minus V nums "
PhD G: Oh , so you could do " grep minus V nums " .
Postdoc E: and you get rid of anything that was read .
PhD G: So that 's the yeah .
Grad C: OK .
PhD G: So there wouldn't be something like i if somebody said something like , " Boy , I 'm really tired , OK . " and then started reading that would be on a separate line ?
Postdoc E: Yes .
PhD G: OK great . Cuz I was doing the " grep minus V " quick and dirty and looked like that was working OK ,
Postdoc E: Mm - hmm . Good .