D: Older people will uh spend more money uh for uh something uh uh what's good .
D: Because younger people are more critical uh about uh uh where they spend their money money at .
D: Uh seventy five percent uh seventy five percent of the users say they zap a lot .
D: Well
D: okay , that's uh normal .
D: I think uh we we have to make uh good zap buttons .
D: But that's one of our requirements .
A: The last point is quite an interesting  D: Yes ,
D: fifty percent of users say they only use ten percent of the buttons .
D: Um Martijn alr already said it .
A: So
A: if we A: Yeah .
D: And uh maybe our uh fold open system is is a good one ,
D: but D: I don't think it's uh
A: Yeah ,
A: we should have the ten percent on the on the top ,
D: reachable .
A: then you're you're D: Yeah , the ten percent on the top , yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: That that's a good one .
D: Um uh page two .
D: Remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room .
D: That's exactly what we said about um maybe a home station for uh for it uh to uh recharge the batteries or something .
D: Uh I thought mo maybe we could make a clap system ,
D: so when you clap your hands it will beep or something .
D: Uh you must find it uh quickly .
B: Uh . Maybe just a button on the home station .
B: So remote control beeps when you click that button on the home station .
D: Okay , yeah . Yeah ,
D: we can uh combine that .
D: Uh it takes too much time to learn how to use a r new remote control .
D: Uh I think we must t uh take a look at this .
D: It's only uh th thirty four of the thirty four percent .
D: But it's uh a tough one .
D: Because if we make a ha whole new product , our own style , we we c uh this is so difficult , uh a difficulty I think .
D: Uh next , remote controls are bad for R_S_I_ .
D: Yeah , but only if they zap a lot , and they watch over five hours T_V_ or something .
D: I don't We we haven't D: Uh we mustn't look too much at uh the last point .
D: Okay ,
D: last page .
A: D: Uh the last uh experiment uh was about gadgets , like uh speech recognition .
D: We didn't uh think about that already .
D: And uh an L_C_D_ on the remote control .
D: We already thought about that .
D: Um uh they finally had a conclusion that younger people um uh under an age of f forty five are uh more interested in new features .
D: And
D: but they're more critical .
D: And older people uh want to spend uh more money .
D: But uh they uh they don't want to uh have a lot of uh new features ,
D: because they're in their old uh thinking way .
D: And they want to keep the old uh things the old things . A: So
A: we have uh a new uh age of forty plus .
D: But y But you but you already said that the uh company was about uh forty plus uh clients ?
A: People .
A: So
A: yeah ,
A: so we just can skip the L_C_D_ r on the remote control ,
D: I I think we can speak , uh we can skip speech recognition uh directly ,
B: Yeah .
A: because D: because it's not reachable for twenty five Euros .
A: Yeah .
A: It's too A: Okay .
C: Yeah .
D: Um then D: I have my personal uh preference .
D: Okay ,
D: that's not very good ,
D: because I thought about television , D_V_D_ player , stereo and V_C_R_ .
D: I had a question about .
D: But it's already out of the question , this .
D: Um my point is , well , I  If we ma uh make a a remote uh control for only television , I think it's hard to uh sell it for twenty five Euros .
D: But it's the exercise .
A: Because it's too expensive .
D: Yeah , only only for television uh A: Yeah , probably .
D: On the market you can now buy for twenty Euros a remote control for everything .
D: And we only make it for television ,
D: so we mi mm we m must made it make it uh very special .
B: Yeah ,
B: but good usability ,
B: so you can use it .
D: Okay ,
D: I told about the home station .
D: Uh it must be simple ,
D: because uh our the the elderly people uh needs to use it .
D: And I I found a motto .
D: And we put the fashion in electronics .
D: And that's uh the motto we are uh referenced to uh for our uh our style .
D: We we have to make a a new product .
D: We have to be um Yeah . One of a kind , I think .
A: So it has to look uh uh uh unique ,
B: Unique .
D: The company is about our uh th th their own fashion , their own style .
A: but B: Yeah , I reckon A: Yeah .
A: But old people are not looking for that .
B: Uh I think mm A: Not really .
C: Yeah .
B: Uh C: I think the main thing is the usability , that's where we can uh make it a special product .
B: Yeah .
D: Yeah ,
D: to k to keep it simple when you A: Okay . Yeah .
B: But uh we also have to stand out ,
C: Yeah .
D: Sorry
D: I thought about it , yes .
B: 'cause there are already , like you said , so many controls out that support lot of stuff .
B: But we have to make sure that we're better usability ,
B: and stand out by just looks of it .
B: So make it just a different colour or different shape ,
A: Yeah . Okay .
B: so D: Okay ,
D: this was uh my presentation .
A: Thanks .
C: Okay .
D: I don't D: Yeah .
A: So
A: Paul , you can do the next one if you want .
D: You can ask some questions or something .
B: Okay .
B: Yeah well Uh .
A: It's on the on the uh net net uh thing ,
B: There it is .
A: isn't it ?
B: Okay .
B: Technical functions design .
B: Okay , well , so
B: we have s mm uh broad audience .
B: Isn't that isn't true anymore .
B: But um we have elderly people ,
B: so we need to keep it simple .
B: Uh the way I want to keep it simple is to use the sen uh standard . So standardised uh methods like uh on all uh remote controls .
B: Not too full ,
B: like uh Jens already said , only ten percent is being used .
A: So
A: what do you think of only the numbers and the on-off button or B: Yeah ,
B: I have it on the next page .
B: But yes uh basic functions like numbers and that sort of stuff .
A: Okay .
B: Um so
B: the options that we put on there should be easy to use ,
B: and 'cause you have more room then ,
B: and for elderly people big buttons .
B: Uh an icon on it or text on it ,
B: so it's very clear what that buttons does .
B: So it doesn't take much time to figure out uh how to use it .
B: Um a way to find out uh what people use is maybe just to use uh questionnaires on the internet
B: or just ask some random people , elderly people what they use , what they want on a remote control
A: Yeah .
B: to find out .
B: But there is already in a one done .
B: Of functions I could think of . Uh volume , channels , the the basic according to . Just one two three etcetera . Uh text service options . Um basic on-off .
B: And I found an uh B: Could I think of favourites ?
B: I always look up the same um pages on text
B: and always have to click the number .
A: Okay .
B: But if you could make a new option , that you just have to press one button
B: and you get on your C: Yeah ,
C: but then you have to remember what favourite is what channel .
C: So you might as well remember the number .
C: Or not ?
B: No y
A: Maybe i maybe it's too complicated ,
A: but not sure .
B: Well
A: It's a good idea ,
B: it's B: It was just a thought .
A: but B: So
B: I'm , I u B: I would find it handy , I think , when you just press one button and you get on six six six .
C: Yeah , okay .
C: But um how can you remember what uh channel uh connects to what favourite button ?
B: Well uh
A: Uh  B: what I was reading on the page . Uh a remote control just sends commands , basics commands to uh the television .
B: So
B: switch to channel six .
C: Yeah ?
B: So uh
B: button six says says six .
B: And if you make favourites , it can say six six six in a row .
B: Just numbers .
B: That can be in the in the C: Yeah okay .
C: But uh uh for a user to to remember , if I press that button it goes to that channel .
B: Well
B: if you said a favourite C: Yeah ,
C: but isn't it hard to remember ?
C: Like favourite one and A: Uh mayb for me it's B: Well
B: i
A: If I use my telephone , I never use those buttons to to to call
B: Never ?
A: sh
A: Never .
C: No , neither do I .
B: Oh .
B: Oh are you ?
A: So A: And B: Okay now ,
B: m maybe not .
A: If I don't do it , maybe old people  B: No ,
B: maybe elderly people uh .
C: Yeah ,
C: I dunno .
B: Right .
B: They don't like new features .
B: So maybe not .
D: Mm-hmm .
B: Um well
B: play , pause . I dunno if that's usable
A: It's not , it's still not It's not anymore n uh B: when B: Not anymore for T_V_ .
A: B: Right ,
B: on off .
B: I dunno ,
B: miss Did I miss any other buttons , basic buttons ?
D: Um B: I couldn't think of any other , 'specially not for T_V_ .
A: Just on the front as well .
A: No ,
A: that's the only th the only thing you need .
B: Is C: Uh uh the p uh next and previous .
C: Previous I know ,
C: but next channel ?
B: Just the channel um uh What I mean is uh C: I don't thi
D: Forward .
C: Li like a web browser ,
B: Six seven eight or five .
C: so C: Oh , okay .
A: Just very simple .
C: But uh um there's also a button to uh go to the channel you've been before .
C: Like a web browser back button .
B: Um I dunno .
A: Uh Yeah ,
B: I don't have Uh I did A: I know what it is ,
A: but I think it's all too difficult for old people . D: No . Uh B: Yeah ,
B: I don't think you use that .
C: Yeah ,
B: Y only when you want to go to C: okay .
B: Yeah ,
B: just use uh when you wanna switch between channels all the time .
A: And how do you want to uh do it , like if you have a channel above ten ?
C: Yeah .
A: Normally you can press one , zero or B: Yeah ,
B: I think um f Especially for older peo elderly people use standard buttons .
B: So you have that uh A: A ten plus
A: or B: Yeah , the ten plus button .
B: Just uh one one pressing , or quickly after each other .
A: Okay .
B: To just keep it simple and standard uh features .
C: Yeah ,
C: w wouldn't it be a problem to uh Because you h have to be fast enough .
C: Maybe the elderly people B: Uh yeah mayb
D: It gets some seconds .
B: But I think that's in the T_V_ as well . That's how the uh the T_V_ T_V_ handles it .
B: But you can have a button that says um
B: two two st two stripes .
D: Yeah ,
C: Oh okay . Yeah .
D: it's it's no it's not a B: So you have uh like a five seconds period to press those two buttons .
C: Yeah ,
C: but that's th mm D: It's what Paul says .
D: It's not a remote control uh uh that um uh makes the T_V_ um do one two .
D: It's the T_V_ who depends that it must be two seconds or three seconds or one second that you must uh type one or two .
C: Okay .
B: So if you have a universal T_V_ controller , you needed one button that has two uh stripes .
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: So we have a a period of , I dunno , five seconds to press those buttons , and that And not for elderly people to look , one two uh press and aim and C: Yeah .
A: But do we still need a two level remote control ?
A: Because if we only have that l only f
D: It's only for television now .
B: So I I don't think so .
A: No .
D: No .
B: Uh I just thought of another one .
B: Most things in modern T_V_s are also on the menu .
A: Yeah .
B: So you also need a menu button .
B: And then uh navigation uh B: But we can integrate that with volume and previous and next ,
C: Yeah .
B: so you have
C: I I think you ha really have to divide between functions you often use , like um uh m maybe uh switch channels and uh volume and k that kind of things , and uh the menu button .
B: four arrows .
C: Because you n almost never use menu button .
B: Yeah , okay ,
C: So B: but um A: Maybe it's still still a good idea , I'm not sure .
A: You'll also have to use a mute button
A: to to B: Yeah , a mute button . Yes .
A: Maybe , not B: Don't think so .
A: I don't know where where you have to put it .
D: B: Yeah well ,
B: that's that's I think that's the layers that produce .
B: Now I have to figure out what's uh what to put on . What we're gonna use .
A: Okay . Yeah . Yeah . That's right .
C: Okay .
B: And later we can d uh do the design .
B: Okay , uh
B: now my personal preferences .
B: Uh using the standards , basic B: Um I think that we should stand out uh unique , being unique with the design .
B: So we have to , I dunno , uh make a different shape than usual .
B: So when you are in the shop and you see our T_V_ controller hanging , that it stands out .
B: Not just in in the row when you see all the same uh remote controls .
A: Yeah .
A: Does it have to be Uh it has to be uh with different colours
B: Um I dunno . Different colours um A: or D: Maybe we can give it out in different colours .
D: You can choose blue or yellow
A: It's like a iMac or something .
D: or A: Just to make it  C: Mm-hmm .
B: Yeah .
B: Well
B: why not ?
B: Or Yeah .
D: That's fa That's fancy . That's uh fashion .
A: But it looks cheap as well ,
A: because it's a small thing .
A: It's only twenty five Euros .
A: It looks very cheap if you make it B: Well ,
B: maybe you can look at uh mobile phones .
A: Oh ,
A: you just A: I dunno what happened .
B: Oh .
D: B: Who ?
A: Yeah , we have to look at mobile phones , that's right .
B: They they're uh designed very well .
A: Just B: And well basically are the same , just a bit smaller .
A: Yeah .
B: You think you can't make a T_V_ controller too small , 'cause then you will always lo always lose it .
A: Yeah .
B: But uh well , I think that's a good example .
D: Okay .
A: Okay , A: we hurry up a bit ,
A: because otherwise we won't make it .
B: Okay ,
B: sorry .
A: Is it fin
B: Well uh A: Are you finished ?
A: Okay .
B: Yeah , I I'm finished .
B: I think we discussed everything .
C: Okay . Well ,
C: the working design .
C: The method I used is uh search the web . Just the web page provided .
C: Um Basically
C: I'm I'm not very technical uh uh educated ,
C: but uh I could figure it out .
C: Um basically what happens is you press a button ,
C: uh then a circuit gets closed by pressing the button , uh like a switch .
C: And by closing that certain circuit , the chip knows uh what bu button is pressed .
C: So
C: like you press a one , that circuit is closed
C: and uh C: Then the chip produces a pattern . Like a Morse code
C: to uh C: And and sends that to the uh L_E_D_ .
C: That's the uh light emitting diode , I think .
C: Um and the light emitting diode is uh producing infrared light .
C: That's un uh invisible to the human eye .
C: And uh transmit that uh to the T_V_ .
C: However it has also an uh a visible uh diode
C: that's uh blinking red if you look in it .
D: Mm-hmm .
C: And that's uh another diode , I believe .
C: Because infrared is not visible .
C: So
C: that's er uh do two different things
A: So
A: we we also have to have a LED li LED light on it ?
C: but C: Yeah . I I think so . B: Uh
B: j Is C: I I'm not sure if it's the same thing .
A: Yeah ,
A: it's I think it's usable .
B: Ain't it just to to indicate that it's transmitting ?
D: Yeah ,
D: that's active .
A: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: So A: Or just a green one ,
A: because it's If you use it , it's green or the red , it's r green .
B: Yeah .
B: Maybe uh D: I I think it's in the case that it's active .
D: It's not uh C: Yeah , when you press it .
A: Yeah , that's right .
A: But if you C: So D: I it's it's just uh the the C: Two ?
A: Red's l shows up like something's wrong ,
A: and green is like it's okay ,
A: you press the button .
D: Mm .
C: Yeah ,
C: I dunno .
B: Maybe depends on uh C: Ma on on most
C: on most uh uh remote controls it's red .
A: Yeah , I know .
C: So B: Yes .
D: Yeah .
A: Okay , we make it red .
C: So
B: But maybe C: I know .
B: Well
B: we don't have to make it red .
B: Maybe integrate it in the design as well .
A: You have to A: The whole the whole uh remote control becomes uh green if you press the buttons .
C: I I think uh the batteries will be uh a little A: Uh that's cool . B: Uh  Oh ,
D: Empty .
B: maybe it's it is would an e No . Just uh B: A: No ,
A: we have a recharger in it ,
B: Oh .
A: so C: Yeah , okay .
C: Uh maybe .
A: If we can still make that then  D: B: Yeah ,
B: but it doesn't have to be red .
C: B: It's just to indicate something's on .
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
C: That it's working .
C: That it's not not the batteries are low .
B: Yeah .
A: But it's cool if it was green .
B: It's it's not very important ,
A: Green or red or whatever , it is cool . B: so yeah .
C: Yeah , I know .
C: Just to indicate it's working .
B: So mm C: And uh the receptor in the T_V_ senses the pattern .
C: So we have to understand what patterns are used to , you know , to make it universal .
C: So that it can be used with all the T_V_s .
C: We have to really understand what patterns are used ,
C: so we can uh o On the C: Otherwise it won't work .
B: So
B: we have to uh make buttons for that as well ,
B: to make it uh C: No .
C: I I uh C: The chip um uh is producing the pattern .
C: So we have to make a chip that produces patterns to , y you know , to B: Okay .
D: An automatically search function for each television , or something .
C: Yeah .
C: That are working .
C: Yeah ,
C: or C: I dunno how it's uh exactly how it works .
C: It wasn't explained there .
B: Well ,
D: Uh I kno
B: I I use a universal uh remote control ,