B: I give it a four now .
D: Six ? Six ?
C: A: So we are
C: Six , five , four .
A: six , five , four D: Six , so it's uh five point five , or less .
A: Yeah .
A: So C: Okay .
A: So and last question ,
A: will I change my rem change my remote control from Mando banana .
A: Um , zero .
A: No uh we can't . D: A: So one .
B: D: Actually yeah ,
D: I we A: Well if .
B: Yeah .
A: No uh let's say I'll put two .
B: I'd say three ,
B: I mean my remote control is kinda at home is pretty terrible .
B: If it was change my remote control of my D_V_D_ player for a Mando banana then I would be more inclined to
A: It's for the T_V_ .
B: but uh 'cause it's really bad but uh D: B: I'd say a three .
B: C: I'll still give it five .
D: Five ?
C: Yeah .
D: You are romantic , really .
A: Two three five two three fi and two .
C: So it's somewhere three point five I think .
D: I would say two .
A: So it's r
A: Yeah , three point five . D: Who is the outlier ?
D: Wh wh you said five ?
B: A: No no you say five , he is the outlier .
C: No I said five .
A: Okay just just do a sum .
D: I don't know if it's a B: It's not very promising but you know we're not young trendsetters . D: No because there are more D: yeah , we shouldn't sum like that .
A: Well maybe we should we should uh have a look globally glob
D: Because the the last two questions is much more important than the rest actually .
C: Mm-hmm .
D: Otherwise we wouldn't we will not sell .
B: Is there some some formula you're using that says you have to sum them up ?
D: Uh no I didn't anything .  B: Well just leave it at that then .
A: Yeah .
C: Oops .
D: Yeah ,
D: the uh A: So maybe maybe w we can we should stick to general feeling . We can had uh have a out of these numbers , which which is that well we should go for it .
D: Yeah .
A: Problem with connectors ? D: Do you want me to sum
D: o I think it's not C: Yeah it's it's funny . B: No .
B: I think it it kind of you just lose information if you sum it , so .
A: Okay
A: . So let's move uh let's move on .
C: Yeah , sure .
A: Okay , now now we have to mm to estimate uh the cost okay
A: . So I prepare an Excel sh uh an Excel sheet .
A: Um well we are going to calculate the production costs .
A: We should we should be below twelve point five .
A: So I already uh put some pu some numbers here , okay .
A: We are going to go through  A: so this is the number the mm number of components we need for this thing .
A: So it appears that there were things that we didn't thought about .
A: Uh and also things that I uh I d I forget to uh to put like solar cells .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: Well we decided against the solar cells so A: Oh yeah finally we say no .
C: Solar cells , yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah , we said no to that .
A: Okay so let's let's go let's go let go through all the lines .
A: So hand dynamo .
A: This something we didn't thought about .
A: But B: You mean , charging it by shaking the banana .
A: Yeah .
C: I think rechargeable batteries will take care of the power thing .
A: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
C: To bring the cost A: Okay so we we stick to battery , one .
C: Yeah .
A: No kinetic also .
A: I don't I don't see the difference between kinetic and dynamo .
B: Well maybe dynamo is like you have to actually A: Ah you have to ah okay I see so kinetic is really uh shaking the banana .
B: D: S
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
A: Crazy .
A: Okay .
A: So those banana is falling .
A: Let's go ahead .
A: So we we st only have one for battery .
A: Uh then for electronics um so I didn't put anything for the .
C: So we have the regular chip on the print , which is one .
A: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: And that's it .
A: Okay .
A: No so we hin
C: And we have sample speaker .
A: Yeah so one .
C: Yeah . Yeah .
C: the cost of that is very high .
A: Ooh ye ye ye
A: the cost is increasing .
B: Well actually that that no that sample speaker is not we we're not using that ,
A: So we are B: we're just using the the very beep simple beep ,
A: The beep .
B: that s that sample thing is like the voice recording and everything .
C: Uh-huh .
A: That's what C: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .
A: Okay
A: so I'll remove it .
B: So B: Yeah .
B: I say that A: S
B: Yeah .
C: And we have sev
A: So don't we need a A: Oh there is no listing for r radio frequency thing .
B: C: Yeah .
A: So C: So we we'll put some extras , if there is something .
A: Yeah maybe .
A: We'll see later .
B: Mm .
A: Okay so in for the case um
A: I put single curved .
C: Okay .
C: To reduce the cost , it's okay .
B: Well , wait a second ,
A: Because we have two things .
B: no , it's it's double curved ,
B: it's got a c , it's uh C: Oh it's got all the directions
A: No .
C: so don't worry . B: Well d yeah it's monotonic but
D: C: It's got a direction . B: it's got but if you hold it if you hold it that way that's two curved ,
B: one on this side , one on that side , but they're opposite sides .
A: Well .
D: Actually what's the differen
A: What a A: what i if I put one here .
B: This is actually I mean this probably
B: this probably actually costs more than three
A: Yeah
B: if you A: so let's put one here in the then instead of single
C: Okay . Okay .
A: oka all right .
B: Yeah .
A: So we stick to plastic , it cost nothing .
C: Yeah .
C: That's right .
B: Well  no didn't we say we wanted to do a rubber A: No ,
A: it's too A: no .
D: Too expensive .
B: if you drop it ?
A: It's too expensive .
B: Well when A: We're already at eleven .
B: okay .
B: Well we we'll come back we'll come back and see if we can fit it in .
A: Okay
A: so I put rubber one .
A: Okay so special colour , yellow .
B: Yeah .
A: Uh for the interface we have C: We don't have any push buttons .
B: No , we have two push buttons .
A: We have three .
C: No that is a scroll wheel itself , it'll be put in that .
B: Huh .
A: No no .
A: We have two scroll , and we have three push buttons .
C: Ah okay , okay .
B: Uh .
C: Okay , okay .
A: D: Actually whe whe when you wrote regular chip you should put two , because there is another chip here .
B: Okay it's gonna have to be plastic .
A: And A: No it's no chip .
A: This is just radio frequency .
C: Yeah .
A: Th This is no chip .
D: Yeah but
C: No . There's no chip there .
D: you need C: It just emits the signal .
A: It's just C: And the receiver accepts it and that's it .
A: Yeah .
D: Fo i it does nothing actually ?
A: No .
C: Just se sends the signal , that's it .
A: Just only .
B: It's a recharger thing
B: and uh A: Okay w we didn't think a thought about uh integrated scroll wheel push buttons .
B: Well I actually did um think about it myself B: but I thought you know because you could potentially you know you could be pushing it down as you scroll it for a instead of a turbo button
A: Yeah ,
B: but you know the turbo button does add that extra class .
A: so A: Yeah .
B: You know .
B: So I mean if we're if we're over budget then maybe we could we could rethink that .
A: Okay .
A: So no L_C_D_ ,
A: so for we have no button supplements ,
C: Yep .
A: right ?
C: No .
A: Uh A: well in fact could we could not we consider this button as a button supplement
A: because A: oh no ,
A: these are these are for colours , co and special forms , special colours and special materials .
B: Yeah .
B: No we're not B: we don't need anything special for the buttons .
A: So A: Okay so we are over budget .
C: Yeah .
C: So first thing which we should take care of is ,
B: Make it plastic instead of rubber .
C: instead of rubber , let it be plastic .
A: Yeah .
B: And then we're basically o on budget except for you know ten cents .
C: And uh that much money will be required for the base station , which is not there .
A: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
D: A: So mayb in fact n we have to put two here
A: because it cost nothing .
D: B: Yeah well pl the base station is made out of m many units of plastic .
C: Yeah .
C: That's right .
A: C: So might be ninety centimes for the the remaining things which the cord and everything which'll go A: Exactly exactly
A: so we have margin for that stuff .
C: That's right .
B: Does that include charging circuitry and everything ? A: Yeah maybe .
A: Okay good .
C: Yeah .
A: Wha
A: Excellent .
B: So what do we do with the extra profits ?
A: Um we'll invest in R_ and D_ .
B: Okay .
D: B: The next fruit .
A: Yeah .
A: So well we're under the the the cost .
A: So we can go to through to project evaluation .
A: D: Okay so now we have a product which nobody would would buy .
D: Would yeah , would buy .
A: Sorry ?
B: No we have a product which none of us would buy . D: Yeah because th th the evaluation project A: Which is different . Which is different .
A: None of us will buy it .
B: No it's people in in in Milan and uh in Paris that are gonna buy it .
D: Ah would buy , yeah .
D: Massively , yeah .
B: We're n
B: yeah .
B: We're not in Milan or Paris .
C: D: Yeah . Okay .
D: Uh you have been in Milan a couple of times , so .
B: Actually there were a lot of A: This is a battery . C: D: And you said the lowest .
B: A: This is what we which you can mm C: S
C: Detachable battery .
B: That's 'cause I'm sick of Milan .
A: It did yeah .
D: Yeah , for the batteries A: Extra battery , yeah .
C: B: Okay so um project process .
A: Exac
A: A: Well in fact I I did not know I didn't know really what to say here .
D: C: B: A: If uh if you have any ideas of what we can we can say .
A: So
A: I don't I don't I don't understand what what they mean by satisfaction um and for and for example .
B: B: A: Should it be more like um like a status of of the these meetings in fact .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah well in fact uh we we use a little bit the white board and the digital pen , not that much .
B: I dunno I think we had a fair bit of creativity .
A: Oh yeah it's really creative .
C: B: And uh but I think one thing we m missed out of this whole process was a um like a focus group with the actual people we're targeting .
B: We needed some of these kind of young trendsetters to come in and play with the banana and you know see if they
A: Yeah .
C: They like that .
B: see if they like it .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Yeah maybe we should go through , yeah an uh evaluation .
B: Because yeah the evaluation for us is is kind of
C: Biased .
B: pointless .
A: So maybe you should we should do a kinda evaluation in the streets like asking to young peoples well , do you like to have a banana as a remote control .
B: Yeah .
D: B: Because it it would also be interesting to uh you to know find out if we have a market in really young children as well , to see you know how to how to market this thing .
C: Mm-hmm .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Yeah .
B: 'Cause you know if B: well I mean maybe you don't wanna give all your kids their own remote because they'll be changing the channel all the time
B: but you know maybe in some households where there is you know a T_V_ for each kid , then you know , banana remote control could be fun for them as well .
B: Might have to draw a face on it .
A: Mm-hmm .
B: So but I think that's something we need to to work on next time is really finding out more about the target market .
A: Yep .
A: Any any new ideas we could uh we could investigate next time ?
A: Dunno , oranges ?
C: Yeah .
C: The cost of the thing can be made more than might be .
C: Because I think it's just the optimal , what we have done for the cost which we are looking forward to .
B: B: Yeah .
B: I think there are ways we could maybe simplify the C: Interface .
B: Well just the the the circuit board that we're using inside ,
D: Mm-hmm .
B: I'm not sure really how complicated our um
C: Mm-hmm .
B: our needs are .
B: I mean all we have is two push buttons and two scrollers ,
B: do we really need an integrated circuit to
A: Hmm .
B: you know to process that .
C: Mm-hmm .
C: Mm-hmm .
C: Mm-hmm .
D: So more general remote control instead of just focusing on uh on T_V_ .
C: That's right .
D: The complexity shouldn't be much higher .
C: Yeah .
D: For D: you said if it good for D_V_D_ then I would B: And also fo you know for mood lighting and and stuff ,
B: that would be rather cool .
B: I think that's actually something that should be in version two , is the ability to you know to control things other than the T_V_
C: Integrate .
B: and not just electronic equipment but you know the whole environment of the room .
C: Mm-hmm .
D: A: Okay .
A: Very good .
C: So A: So C: What else ?
A: Well done .
A: I think we we can go
C: Okay .
C: Home ?
A: home .
D: C: Happily satisfied . A: Yeah .
A: Maybe maybe we can hassle the the
A: production department to to make a a real prototype that we can use at home to to evaluate .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Okay so thanks very much .
B: Yep .
B: Okay .
C: Thank you .
A: Bye .
B: Thank you .
D: Bye .