F: So .
C: When When they 're wide awake , yeah .
F: Yeah .
C: Um ,
F: After coffee .
C: after coffee , you 're right .
C: Not after lunch .
F: OK , so , um , what I 'll do then is I 'll go ahead and enter , this data .
F: And then , hand off to Jane , and the transcribers to do the actual extraction of the digits .
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
C: One question I have that that I mean , we wouldn't know the answer to now but might , do some guessing , but I was talking before about doing some model modeling of arti uh , uh , marking of articulatory , features , with overlap and so on .
F: Hmm .
C: And , and , um ,
C: On some subset .
C: One thought might be to do this uh , on on the digits , or some piece of the digits .
C: Uh , it 'd be easier , uh , and so forth .
C: The only thing is I 'm a little concerned that maybe the kind of phenomena , in w i i
C: The reason for doing it is because the the argument is that certainly with conversational speech , the stuff that we 've looked at here before , um , just doing the simple mapping , from , um , the phone , to the corresponding features that you could look up in a book , uh , isn't right .
C: It isn't actually right .
C: In fact there 's these overlapping processes where some voicing some up and then some , you know , some nasality is comes in here , and so forth .
C: And you do this gross thing saying " Well I guess it 's this phone starting there " .
C: So , uh , that 's the reasoning .
C: But , It could be that when we 're reading digits , because it 's it 's for such a limited set , that maybe maybe that phenomenon doesn't occur as much .
C: I don't know .
C: Di - an anybody ? Do you have any ? Anybody have any opinion about that ,
B: and that people might articulate more ,
B: and you that might end up with more a closer correspondence .
C: Mm - hmm .
C: Yeah .
F: Yeah that 's I I agree .
F: That it 's just D: Sort of less predictability ,
D: and You hafta B: Mm - hmm .
C: Yeah .
G: Well it 's definitely true that , when people are , reading , even if they 're re - reading what , they had said spontaneously , that they have very different patterns .
F: It 's a Well Would , this corpus really be the right one to even try that on ?
G: Mitch showed that , and some , dissertations have shown that .
C: Right .
G: So the fact that they 're reading , first of all , whether they 're reading in a room of , people , or rea you know , just the fact that they 're reading will make a difference .
C: Yeah .
G: And , depends what you 're interested in .
C: See , I don't know .
C: So , may maybe the thing will be do to take some very small subset , I mean not have a big , program , but take a small set , uh , subset of the conversational speech and a small subset of the digits ,
C: and look and and just get a feeling for it .
C: Um , just take a look . Really .
B: H That could could be an interesting design , too , cuz then you 'd have the com the comparison of the , uh , predictable speech versus the less predictable speech
C: Cuz I don't think anybody is , I at least , I don't know , of anybody , uh ,
C: well , I don't know , the answers .
D: Hey .
C: Yeah .
B: and maybe you 'd find that it worked in , in the , case of the pr of the , uh , non - predictable .
C: Yeah .
D: Hafta think about , the particular acoustic features to mark , too , because , I mean , some things , they wouldn't be able to mark , like , uh , you know , uh , tense lax .
C: Mm - hmm .
D: Some things are really difficult .
D: You know ,
D: just listening .
F: M I think we can get Ohala in to , give us some advice on that .
B: Well .
D: Yeah .
B: Also I thought you were thinking of a much more restricted set of features , that C: Yeah , but I I I I was , like he said , I was gonna bring John in and ask John what he thought .
B: Yeah , sure .
B: Sure .
B: Yeah .
C: Right .
C: But I mean you want you want it be restrictive but you also want it to to to have coverage .
F: Right .
C: You know i you should . It should be such that if you , if you , uh , if you had o um , all of the features , determined that you that you were uh ch have chosen , that that would tell you , uh , in the steady - state case , uh , the phone .
B: Yeah
C: So , um .
B: OK .
F: Even , I guess with vowels that would be pretty hard ,
F: wouldn't it ?
F: To identify actually , you know , which one it is ?
B: It would seem to me that the points of articulation would be m more , g
B: uh , I mean that 's I think about articulatory features , I think about , points of articulation , which means , uh , rather than vowels .
F: Yeah .
D: Points of articulation ?
D: What do you mean ?
B: So , is it , uh , bilabial or dental or is it , you know , palatal .