D: Yeah .
D: And to See , thi this is really the way people sit on this table .
A: OK .
D: Th
E: Mm - hmm .
A: OK .
D: Uh .
D: Dot , dot , dot .
E: Which means two at each station .
D: Well that that 's the way people sit .
D: That 's how many chairs are in the room .
E: Yeah .
E: Yeah , I 'm just saying that for the recording .
A: Alright .
D: Yeah .
D: Right .
A: Right .
A: OK .
D: And certainly you could do a thing where all sixteen were plugged in .
D: Uh if if you ha if you had nothing else .
A: But then none of these .
A: Right .
A: N none of these and no P Z Ms then .
D: Yeah .
D: Right .
D: Right .
D: I agree .
B: Only if you had B: Well it depends on this box , right ?
D: Oh , true enough .
D: And actually , at the m my plan is to only bring eight wires out of this box .
B: Exactly .
D: This this box A: Oh , I didn't understand E: That being the wiring box .
D: Thi - thi thi this box is a one off deal .
A: Oh , I see ,
A: I see .
D: Uh .
D: And , uh , it 's function is to s to , uh , essentially a wire converter to go from these little blue wires to these black wires ,
D: plus supply power to the microphones
D: cuz the the he the , uh , cheap head mounteds all require low voltage .
A: So so you 'd imagine some sort of in some sort of patch panel on top to figure out what the mapping was between each d of these two and each of those one or what ?
D: Well I w I I
B: Hmm !
D: the simplest thing I could imagine , i which is really , really simple is to quite literally that these things plug in .
D: And there 's a there 's a plug on the end of each of these these , uh , ei eight cables .
E: What E: OK .
B: Yeah .
E: Each of the blue wires ?
B: But there are only four .
E: Mm - hmm .
D: An - and there 's only there 's only four slots that are you know , in in the first version or the version we 're planning to to build .
B: Yeah .
A: Mm - hmm .
D: So that that was the whole issue with the LED ,
B: Yeah .
D: that you plug it in , the LED comes on , and and and you 're live .
A: Oh , then it comes on .
A: I see , I see .
A: OK ,
A: good .
D: Now the the  the subtle issue here is that tha I I haven't really figured out a solution for this .
D: So , we it 'll have to be convention .
D: What happens if somebody unplugs this because they plug in more of something else ?
A: Mm - hmm .
D: Well the there 's no clever way to let the up stream guys know that you 're really not being powered .
D: So D: th there will be a certain amount of looking at cables has to be done if people , uh , rewire things .
A: Right .
D: But .
B: Yeah , I mean , we I had that last time .
B: But uh there are actually that you know , there 's an extra there 's a mix out on the radio receiver ?
D: Mm - hmm .
B: So there are actually six XLR outs on the back of the radio receiver
B: and only five cables going in ,
B: I had the wrong five ,
B: so I ended up not recording one of the channels and recording the mix .
D: How interesting .
D: D did you do any recognition on the mix mix out ?
E: Hmm .
B: No .
D: Wonder whether it works any B: But I subtracted the four that I did have from the mix and got a pretty good approximation of the @ @ .
D: Got the fifth ?
A: You g
E: Oh , how great .
D: Cool .
B: Yeah .
A: And did it work ?
D: Is it is A: Did it sound good ?
B: It 's not bad .
B: It 's not bad ,
B: yeah .
D: Ain't science wonderful ?
A: Wow .
E: That 's amazing .
B: Yeah .
D: So A: So what 's the schedule on these things ?
E: Wow .
B: But , you always D: Uh ,
D: well I was wrestling with th with literally the w number of connectors in the cable and the  the , uh , powering system .
D: And I I was gonna do this very clever phantom power
D: and I decided a couple days ago not to do it .
B: Hmm !
D: So I 'm ready to build it .
D: Which is to say , uh , the neighborhood of a week to get the circuit board done .
A: Mm - hmm .
A: So I think the other thing I 'd like to do is , do something about the set up
B: See
A: so that it 's a little more presentable and organized .
D: I agree .
A: And I 'm I 'm just not sure what that is .
A: I mean , some sort of cabinet .
D: Well I can build a cabinet .
D: The the difficulty for this kind of project is the intellectual capital to design the cabinet .
A: Mm - hmm .
D: In other words , to figure out ex exactly what the right thing is .
D: That cabinet can can go away .
D: We can use that for for uh kindling or something .
D: But if you can imagine what the right form factor is .
D: Dan - Dan and I have sort of gone around on this , and we were thinking about something that opened up in the top to allow access to the mixer for example .
A: Mm - hmm .
D: But there 's these things sticking out of the mixer which are kind of a pain ,
D: so you end up with this thing that D: if if you stuck the mixer up here and the top opened , it 'd be it 'd be fine .
D: You wouldn't necessarily D: Well ,
D: you s understand what I 'm D: the the you can you can start start s sketching it out ,
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah , I understand .
A: So .
D: and I can certainly build it out of oak
D: no problem ,
D: would it you know , arb you know , arbitrarily amount of A: I need a desk at home too , alright ?
A: Is that gonna be a better solution than just going out and buy one ?
D: Well , the as we found out with the the thing that , uh , Jeff bought a long time ago to hold our stereo system the stuff you buy is total crap .
D: And I mean this is something you buy .
A: Mm - hmm .
D: And and A: And it 's total crap .
D: It 's total crap .
D: Well , it 's useless for this function .
D: Works fine for holding a Kleenex ,
D: but it A: Right ,
A: Kleenex and telephones .
D: Right .
A: Um ,
A: so yeah , I g I guess it 's just a question , is that something you wanna spend your time on ?
D: Oh ,
D: I I 'm paid for .
A: OK , great .
D: I have no problem .
D: No , but w certainly one of the issues is is the , uh is security .
A: Hmm ?
D: I mean , we 've been been been lax and lucky .
A: Mm - hmm .
B: Yeah .
A: Lax .
B: Yep .
D: Really lucky with these things .
D: But they 're not ours ,
D: so D: the , uh the flat panels .
B: Yeah .
B: Oh , yeah !
A: I 'm telling you , I 'm just gonna cart one of them away if they stay there much longer .
E: Wow .
D: Uh , let the record show at uh at f four thirty - five Adam Janin says B: Well w yeah , exactly .
E: Tempting .
E: Tempting .
B: We 'll know we 'll know to come after .
E: Yeah .
A: So , um ,
A: j uh ,
A: then the other question is do we wanna try to do a user interface that 's available out here ?
B: Sorry ?
E: Use - user interface D: Slipped almost slipped it by Dan .
A: A user interface .
A: I mean , do we wanna try to get a monitor ?
B: Oh !
A: Or just something .
E: Oh .
B: Sure .
B: Well of course we do .
A: And how do we want to do that ?
E: You mean like see see meter readings , from while sitting here .
A: J just so we see something .
E: Wow .
D: How about use the thing that um ACIRI 's doing .
B: Yeah .
D: Which is to say just laptop with a wireless .
B: Yeah , yeah ,
E: Oh .
B: yeah . Sure .
B: Which we 'll borrow from them , when we need it .
D: What 's wrong with yours ?
D: If we bought you a a B: Oh , a Applecard .
B: Sure .
B: Right .
B: Yeah , you could use my machine .
C: Well D: What ?
A: I have an IRAM machine I 've borrowed and we can use it .
B: I or the D: N no ,
D: I 'm I 'm I 'm serious .
D: Does does the wireless thing work on your A: Wait , isn't that an ethernet connection or is that a phone ?
B: Uh , that 's an ethernet connection .
A: Well D: Yeah no no I 'm a I I I ain't joking here .
B: It 's going next door .
A: We jus
D: I 'm serious , that that  it it B: Yeah .
B: No , no ,
B: absolutely , that 's the right way to do it .
B: T to have it uh , just D: It 's very convenient especially if Dan happens to be sitting at that end of the table to not have to run down here and and look in the thing every so often ,
B: Yeah .
D: but just have the B: And given given that we 've got a wireless that we 've got a we got the field .
D: It 's right there .
B: Right .
D: Right ?
D: The antenna 's right there ,
B: Yeah .
A: Right .
D: right outside the B: Yeah .
B: I don't know .
D: Y I mean , we need obviously need to clear this with ACIRI
D: but , uh ,
D: how tough can that be ?
D: There it you 'd all you need 's web access , isn't it ?
B: W we don't need X access
D: In in theory .
B: but I mean that 's fine .
B: That 's that 's what it does ,
D: OK ,
D: great ,
B: yeah .
D: great .
B: So A: Um ,
A: right , so it 's just a question of getting a laptop and a wireless modem .
B: With a with a with a w
D: No ,
D: and he he had , reque @ @ D: my my proposal is you have a laptop .
B: No .
D: You don't ?
B: Yeah .
B: I do !
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah , yeah .
D: If if we bought you the thing would you mind using it with i the the B: No ,
B: I would love to
B: but I 'm not sure if my laptop is compatible with the wave LAN thing they 're using .
D: Really ?
A: To Mac .
D: Your new one ?
B: Well Apple has their own thing , right ?
C: He 's D: I 'm sorry ?
A: Airport .
B: Apple has their own thing .
B: And D: I thought it just came through a serial p or an Ethernet port .
B: Yeah ,
B: I think what B: I think you I think it just plug plugs in a PC card ,
B: so you could probably make it run with that ,
B: but .
A: The question is , is there an Apple driver ?
D: I e
B: Yeah , I 'm sure .
B: I imagine there is .
B: But uh anyway
D: But the two t
B: there are there are abs there are a bunch of machines at ICSI that have those cards
B: and so I think if w if it doesn't we should be able to find a machine that does that .
B: I I mean I know that
B: doesn't don't don't the important people have those little blue VAIOs that D: Well , uh , b that to me that 's a whole nother . That 's a whole nother issue .
E: Hmm .
E: Hmm .
B: Yeah .
D: The the idea of con convincing them that we should use their network i is fairly straight forward .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
D: The idea of being able to walk into their office and say , " oh , can I borrow your machine for a while " , is is is a non - starter .
B: Yeah .
D: That I I don't think that 's gonna work .
B: I see .
D: So , I mean , either either we figure out how to use a machine somebody already in the group already owns , a a and the idea is that if it 's it perk , you know , it 's an advantage not not a disadvan <comment> or else we we literally buy a machine e exactly for that purpose .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah , yeah .
B: Absolutely .
B: Yeah .
D: Certainly it solves a lot of the problems with leaving a monitor out here all the time .
D: I I I I 'm I 'm not a big fan of doing things to the room that make the room less attractive for other people ,
B: Yeah .
A: Right .
D: right ?
D: Which is part of the reason for getting all this stuff out of the way
A: Yeah .
D: and  and , so a monitor sitting here all the time you know people are gonna walk up to it and go , " how come I can't get , you know , Pong on this " or , whatev
A: Mm - hmm .
A: Right .
C: Well A: I 've I 've borrowed the IRAM VAIO Sony thingy ,
D: Right .
B: Yeah .
A: and I don't think they 're ever gonna want it back .
B: You 're kidding !
D: Well , the next conference they will .
A: So .
A: Sure .
D: Yeah .
A: But that does mean so we can use that as well .
D: Well , uh , the certainly , u you should give it a shot first See whether you you can get compatible stuff .
B: Mm - hmm .
D: Uh , ask them what it costs .
D: Ask them if they have an extra one .
D: Who knows , they might have an extra hardware s
B: I 'd trade them a flat panel display for it .
B: Yeah .
D: Good .
C: What is the , um , projector supposed to be hooked up to ?
D: Uh , the , uh Tsk .
D: It 's gonna be hooked up to all sorts of junk .
D: There 's gonna be actually a a plug at the front that 'll connect to people 's laptops so you can walk in and plug it in .
D: And it 's gonna be con connected to the machine at the back .
D: So we certainly could use that as as a constant reminder of what the VU meters are doing .
B: Huge VU meters .
D: So people sitting here <comment> are going " testing , one , two , three " !
D: It a
C: But I mean , that 's another that 's another possibility that , you know , solves B: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
B: That 's an end
D: But but but I think the idea of having a control panel it 's that 's there in front of you is really cool .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah , yeah .
E: Mm - hmm .
B: I think and uh , having having it on wireless is is the neatest way neatest way to do it .
D: R
D: As long as you d as l as long as you 're not tempted to sit there and f keep fiddling with the volume controls going , " can you talk a bit louder ? "
A: I had B: Yeah .
A: I had actually earlier asked if I could borrow one of the cards to do wireless stuff
B: Yeah .
A: and they said , " sure ,
A: whenever you want " .
A: So I think it won't be a problem .
B: Oh , cool .
D: And and it 's a a PCMCIA card , right ?
B: OK .
A: Yep .
D: PC card ,
D: so you can have a slot ,
A: PC card .
D: right ?
D: In your new machine ?
B: Yeah , yeah .
D: Is it with s
C: It 's it really come down to the driver .
C: I mean B: Yeah .
D: Right ,
D: i it 'll it 'll work A: Right , I mean , and if and if his doesn't work , as I said , we can use the PC .
D: It 'll work the first time .
D: I I trust Steve Jobs .
A: Good .
B: Um ,
B: well , that sounds like a d good solution one way or the other .
A: So A: So Jim is gonna be doing wiring and you 're gonna give some thought to cabinets ?
D: Uh , y yeah .
D: We we need to figure out what we want .
A: Great .
D: Uh B: We 'd I think D: Hey , what are those green lights doing ?
A: They 're flashing !
B: Uh - oh !
B: Uh - oh !
B: Does that it means it means it 's gonna explode .
B: No .
D: Cut the red wire ,
D: the red wire !
B: Um A: When people talk , it they go on and off .
B: This B: So again , Washington wants to equip a system .
B: Our system , we spent ten thousand dollars on equipment not including the PC .
B: However , seven and a half thousand of that was the wireless mikes .
D: Mm - hmm .
B: Uh ,
B: using using these D: And it and the f the five thousand for the wires ,
D: so if I 'm gonna do D: No .
D: It 's a joke .
B: Yeah ,
D: I have to do B: that 's true
B: but we haven't spent that , right ?
B: But once we once we 've done the intellectual part of these , uh , we can just knock them out , right ?
A: Cheap .
B: We can start  we you can make a hundred of them or something .
D: Oh , of the of the boards ?
D: Yeah , yeah ,
D: sure ,
D: right .
B: And then we could B: Washington could have a system that didn't have any wireless but would had what 's based on these
D: Mm - hmm .
B: and it would cost D: Peanuts .
A: A PC and a peanuts .
B: PC and two thousand dollars for the A - to - D stuff .
A: Yeah .
B: And that 's about cuz you wouldn't even need the mixer if you didn't have the D: Right .
B: Oh th the P Z
B: P Z Ms cost a lot .
B: But anyway you 'd save , on the seven seven or eight thousand for the for the wireless system .
B: So actually that might be attractive .
D: Right .
B: OK ,
A: Good .
B: I can move my thumb now .
E: That 's a great idea .
D: What ?
E: It 's nice it 's nice to be thinking toward that .
D: Oh , I thought like if we talked softer the disk lasts longer .
A: Well , actually shorten B: Yeah .
A: There 's a speech compression program that works great on things like this ,
A: cuz if the dynamic range is low it encodes it with fewer bits .
A: And so most of the time no one 's talking
A: so it shortens it dramatically .
A: But if you talk quieter , the dynamic range is lower and it will compress better .
B: Yeah .
A: So .
E: Oh .
E: Hmm .
D: It also helps if you talk in a monotone .
A: Probably .
D: Constant volume all the time .
E: Oh , interesting .
E: And shorter words .
A: Shorter words .
C: Now , shorter words wouldn't would induce more dynamics ,
C: right ?
C: You want to have B: Yeah , but if the words are more predictable .
A: How about if you just go " uh " ?
C: Huh .
D: Uh .
E: That 's a long word !
A: How do you spell that ?
E: I don't know .
A: OK ,
A: can you do one more round of digits ?
A: Are we done talking ?
D: Well it 's a choice if we get a choice , let 's keep talking .
D: Sure .
A: Do we have more to talk about ?
D: No ,
D: I 'm done .
C: I 'm done .
A: Are you done ?
E: I 'm done ,
A: I 'm done .
E: yeah .
C: Dan isn't
C: but he 's not gonna say anything .
D: But you you you there 's a problem a structural problem with this though .
D: You really need an incentive at the end if you 're gonna do digits again .
D: Like , you know , candy bars or something ,
D: or or or or or a little , uh you know , toothbrushes like they give you at the d dentist .
A: I 'll I 'll remember to bring M and M 's next time .
B: Mmm !
E: Or both .