Project Manager: look on that . Um and we're going to calculate the production costs , and if they are uh under or at twelve Euro fifty ,
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: we're good , and if they're not we're going to uh re-design ,
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: but we have to do that uh very very quick I think ,
User Interface: So we're going to erase features or something .
Project Manager: yes . Um I don't know if I
User Interface: Do you have the cost
Project Manager: put the Excel sheet in the
User Interface: or uh  Let's hope .
Project Manager: n not in the
Industrial Designer: Marketing: f fifty five Euros .
Project Manager: folder . I think it's
User Interface: We're going to be here at eight o'clock . Project Manager: I think it's still in my own documents folder .
Industrial Designer: User Interface: We're goin still going to be here at eight o'clock . Industrial Designer: Marketing: No .
Project Manager: Oh shit .
User Interface: I doubt it . Perhaps we've got features that don't exist in the Excel sheet .
Marketing: Yeah mm yeah , maybe .
Project Manager: So User Interface:  No ,
Marketing: The microphone . Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: it was in my uh my information , so uh Industrial Designer: It i It wasn't too much .
Marketing: Yeah ? User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: maybe you're going scrap scrap it .
Industrial Designer: As well as the L_C_D_ screen . Whoa . Project Manager: Okay , well this is it .
User Interface: Well , if it doesn't work Project Manager: Um maybe I could ask one of you to uh fill it in , so that I can also uh take minutes ,
User Interface: I want to fill it in , but uh Project Manager: and uh maybe the other can uh use that thing to count uh numerous functions .
Marketing: No prob . Ah .
User Interface: But you should uh direct Marketing: Count it ? Li like write it be
Project Manager: Well we have to count some things and we have to think about some things . But you have to fill in this column , huh ?
Industrial Designer: Count it . You got Excel to count . User Interface: The number of Marketing: Project Manager: No , uh count uh number of functions , because for every button you have to pay Industrial Designer: Oh okay .
Project Manager: and there are different screen shots , so or different different screens ,
Industrial Designer: Well I dra
Marketing: Ah , okay , cool .
Industrial Designer: uh Danny , Danny , I'll do that ,
Marketing: Huh ? Yeah ? Oh , yea yeah , you design it . Um Industrial Designer: because I draw the uh
Project Manager: so User Interface: We've got a battery , one or t two batteries , or not ? nee one battery , with two small batteries .
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah , but it's it's more about the energy source , huh ? Do you use a hand dynamo , a battery , kinetic or solar cells ?
User Interface: Yeah . I would do a battery we do . Right ?
Marketing: Solar cell . No
Project Manager: We'll wait .
User Interface: A battery . One battery ,
Industrial Designer: No , no solar cell , no no no no .
Marketing: it took a battery ?
User Interface: right ?
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: No hand dynamo .
Marketing: Yeah .
User Interface: Electronics , simple chip Industrial Designer: Hand  Marketing: We have User Interface: advanced chip , right ?
Marketing: No , we have sample speaker .
Industrial Designer: On advanced chip .
Marketing: But b al but we also have sample speaker , do
User Interface: Yeah ,
Industrial Designer: Yeah , yeah .
User Interface: so this one and this one . Uh we ha we have um single Marketing: Oh , we already on nine .
User Interface: what ? Are we ? Oh yay .
Marketing: We have double curved .
User Interface: The single .
Industrial Designer: Single nee single curved . Double curved was uh uh see uh ju three dimensional .
Marketing: Single .
Industrial Designer: But it isn't three dimensional ,
User Interface: Oh the the Industrial Designer: it isn't curved in a l
Marketing: This one is  User Interface: it's not going to work uh people . We have rubber .
Marketing: This one is curved like this ,
Project Manager: I'll just fill it in .
Marketing: right . It's curved like this .
Industrial Designer: No no no ,
Project Manager: Um rubber indeed ?
Industrial Designer: single curved is like this . Uh that's the only curve you made ,
Marketing: Yeah , bu what Industrial Designer: not th uh curved like that . That's uh Marketing: Oh , but we have curves like it and it .
User Interface: Thirteen ?
Marketing: There are two curves , right ? Oh , okay I understand , I understand .
User Interface: With a scroll wheel ,
Industrial Designer: Huh ?
User Interface: right ? Is he integrated ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Rubber .
User Interface: No , eh ? I don't know .
Industrial Designer: Yeah ,
Marketing: Push button . No , we don't have push button .
Industrial Designer: we gotta integrate scroll wheel and push button , because when you push it and you w it won't just pu uh makes possible to s
User Interface: Oh yeah , right , we want it to it's not it's not no . Industrial Designer: Not going to work ?
Marketing: L_C_D_ display .
User Interface: Yep .
Industrial Designer: Okay . Okay um User Interface: Fifteen , oh , too bad . Oh but with special colour we have . A special form , right ?
Industrial Designer: But now button supplements . We don't got the button supplements .
User Interface: Oh , we don't have any buttons , so Marketing: Eighteen and a half ,
User Interface: Yeah , we need to uh
Marketing: damn .
Industrial Designer: Damn .
Marketing: We have to lower it with six points .
User Interface: No , uh we have fifteen and Industrial Designer: Okay .
Marketing: Twelve and half .
User Interface: oh , right . Industrial Designer: User Interface: We could lose the curve .
Industrial Designer: Nah .
Marketing: We could use User Interface: Yeah , I would lose the curve .
Industrial Designer: We could lose the scroll wheel . You could make it just a regular scroll wheel .
User Interface: But you can't push it , so you have to tap .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , if you can't push it you have to tap the the options window uh button here and then uh scroll down with the d with uh with uh the button .
User Interface: Yeah , alright .
Project Manager: Yeah , I think that will be our best bet .
User Interface: So normal scroll wheel ?
Industrial Designer: Normal scroll wheel .
User Interface: And I think we should lose the curve .
Marketing: I think we should scrap the sample speaker .
Industrial Designer: Lose  Marketing: It's four pri it four units .
User Interface: Yeah , but if you would i it is a new feature , it it's something special .
Industrial Designer: Okay , so we don't exactly need the single We don't need a curve .
Marketing: But w d wha
User Interface: No , the curve doesn't really Industrial Designer: 'S possible to lose curve .
Marketing: Curved then it will be square .
User Interface: No , then it will won't uh stand up from the table . Then it would just Industrial Designer: Okay . Marketing: Was that does that mean to it , single curve ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah , that's meant with scr uh with s curve .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: The curve is uh in a dimension .
Marketing: Okay .
Industrial Designer: If you make it a flat one , s n it's no curve , you got no curves .
User Interface: So We would lose this one ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah , okay .
Marketing: Yeah , but tha that that only is one .
User Interface: Yeah , we could s yeah , a bit .
Industrial Designer: No , two .
Marketing: No , one .
User Interface: Sixteen point three .
Industrial Designer: Oh , okay , indeed .
Marketing: So we don't User Interface: So we still Marketing: Yeah , we also have to Industrial Designer: Is it possible to make  User Interface: Could could we do it on a regular chip on print or something ?
Marketing: No , otherwise we don't have an L_C_D_ screen .
User Interface: No ? Ma y you just can't do that , or uh Industrial Designer: No .
Project Manager: And what did you change ? You changed the uh scroll wheel
User Interface: We changed th
Project Manager: and User Interface: Yeah , and the single curved to uncurved .
Marketing: Single curved .
Project Manager: Oh , but it's just one
Marketing: Flat . Yeah , so that does doesn't doesn't that mu I think Project Manager: point , so maybe you should should uh User Interface: No .
Marketing: Scrap sample speaker ?
Project Manager: Yeah , you should you should drop the speech recognition .
Industrial Designer: The sample speaker is two d wait , f s four points .
Marketing: That that's uh User Interface: Yeah , but it's t
Marketing: Yes , four points .
Project Manager: And then you can keep the curve .
User Interface: Yeah , but it is uh it it is a new feature ,
Project Manager: Or can't you ?
User Interface: it is something special .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , uh becau uh when you lose the Marketing: Yeah , but what what else what else uh do you want to scrap ?
User Interface: I don't know .
Industrial Designer: Marketing: F You have to we have to scrap four points .
User Interface: Yeah , that's difficult . Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Or make it on a hand dynamo , but I don't think that will work .
User Interface: Yeah . Industrial Designer: Marketing: Ma make it with wood instead of rubber ?
Industrial Designer: No , that's no .
User Interface: Uh .
Industrial Designer: Make it w uh when you made it uh uh uh a remote control of wood ?
User Interface: We could make it titanium instead of rubber .
Industrial Designer: You don't make a remote control of Ah .
Marketing: Yeah ,
Project Manager: Yeah ,
Marketing: it it i
Project Manager: mm-hmm .
Marketing: Yeah , it also uh it also takes one point less .
Project Manager: Yeah , but uh a wooden remote control only helps for uh old people we discussed ,
User Interface: Oh . Oh can I ask something ?
Project Manager: yes ?
User Interface: What is special colour ?
Marketing: Yeah .
User Interface: Is that the wood uh wood uh Marketing: I think it is .
User Interface: this , we have to have that one too ?
Industrial Designer: It isn't .
Project Manager: Yeah ,
Industrial Designer: What ?
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: but it's only a half . But I think the only option is to drop the uh sample speaker .
Marketing: Yeah . Sample speaker .
Industrial Designer: To knock the sample speaker , yeah . And sample sensor .
User Interface: Th then we still have too much
Marketing: Yeah , okay ,
User Interface: if we use the uh Industrial Designer: But m yeah , course ,
Marketing: three . Point three .
Industrial Designer: but  User Interface: Yeah , we we scrap that one ?
Industrial Designer: What we'll have . Marketing: Huh ?
Industrial Designer: Let's make it thirteen or fourteen . User Interface: See , a po
Marketing: Point twelve .
User Interface: three . We need point three . Marketing: That's a scroll wheel . User Interface: Uh it's a colour . Don't make it wood .
Industrial Designer: A colour .
Marketing: Yeah , but a wood User Interface: Make it uh Marketing: we can make it brown , dark brown , not wood .
User Interface: Yeah , but it's it's special colour , is it a all kind of colours ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah , special colours , fruity colours .
User Interface: It's also green or uh Marketing: Is it also Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: no that that's just normal colour fruit colours .
User Interface: Yeah , but it's a special colour than just rubber colour .
Marketing: Normal colours , yellow User Interface: You have to add something to the rubber to make it green .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: You don't say here's green rubber .
Industrial Designer: They don't sell green rubber plants . Marketing: Yeah , but then I d I don't think we can ever make to a twelve and half .
Industrial Designer: Alright .
User Interface: Yeah , you can , you should you have to lose Marketing: But then we have to scrap L_C_D_ display , we have to scrap uh
User Interface: No , it is the scroll wheel , I guess .
Industrial Designer: No no no .
Marketing: s advanced chip . No then we have to scrap everything we got because how many colours we gonna make ?
Industrial Designer: If we lose the scroll wheel and make it totally uh depending uh dependent on uh the touch screen
Marketing: Five ? Then we have two .
User Interface: A push ,
Marketing: S
User Interface: yeah .
Marketing: touch .
Industrial Designer: then it's possible to make . And then you can and then you can add to the colours .
Marketing: Then we can make add two colours on it . Yeah , two colours it .
Industrial Designer: Special c
User Interface: Switch colours .
Industrial Designer: Okay , if you lose uh if you lose the User Interface: It was such a great idea . Industrial Designer: You lose this one , you got eleven point five
Marketing: They can add two colours .
Industrial Designer: and you make i and then you can make uh the spec single curve , for example .
Marketing: But the colours . Um how ma uh the colours like l she told , is that all the colours we add or Industrial Designer: How d uh uh how many colours ?
User Interface: What do you mean ?
Industrial Designer: Special colours , all the colours you want , because you want to make p
Marketing: Yeah , but we we we are we have yellow , red , uh black , titanium .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , but uh when you use more than one colour , it's a special colour .
User Interface: Oh .
Marketing: Ah okay .
User Interface: But I think when you use the colour that's not originally the rubber then you use special colour ,
Industrial Designer: I suppose .
User Interface: 'cause you have to add it .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah , but the rubbers alls original black .
User Interface: Yeah , so you always lose the special colour . You co you could make it always black , like normal remote .
Marketing: Yeah b Yeah , but we're gonna make it yellow uh red , and then you add you have two special colours on top of the one we have now .
Industrial Designer: Nee we we also want to make ano another colour .
User Interface: Oh right , yeah . Yeah , we should u
Marketing: Yeah , but m
User Interface: Yeah . We have to make this like four or five or something .
Marketing: Yeah ,
User Interface: That's what it means .
Marketing: because we have more colours than only black .
Project Manager: Yeah , but isn't it per remote that you pay ?
User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: I then I think I p I don I don't think they me mean they're special Project Manager: Half ?
User Interface: Oh right , yeah . Is it per remote ?
Project Manager: I think you pay half per remote .
User Interface: Yeah . Yeah , that's right ,
Project Manager: So each remote with a special colour .
User Interface: and you one colour per remote .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , indeed , yeah .
User Interface: So then it is one .
Industrial Designer: You don't need four of those uh four of those special colours in one in one remote .
Marketing: Yeah , okay okay , true . True , true .
User Interface: No .
Project Manager: I hope . Marketing: We have two points spare .
Project Manager: So the battery ,
Marketing: Nee one point .
Project Manager: we have um advanced chip on print .
User Interface: One . So it would be curved , single curve .
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: Because of thing User Interface: Or not ?
Project Manager: Yeah , well you can at least make it curved again .
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
User Interface: So y you just can't make a nice remote . Industrial Designer: Yeah , single curve .
Project Manager: Because that was very important ,
User Interface: It's too bad for the speaker .
Project Manager: huh ? So it's curved , it's still that so we we dropped the speech recognition together with the speaker .
User Interface: Should we change that tha that that's a one if not ,
Marketing: Mm yep .
Project Manager: We dropped the scroll wheel .
User Interface: or not ? Could you copy it ?
Project Manager: And the rest is the same ,
User Interface: And make it uh Project Manager: huh ? Am I right ?
Marketing: Y yea the scroll wheel is dropped .
Project Manager: Yes .
User Interface: The entire uh Industrial Designer: Uh . Huh .
Marketing: Yep .
User Interface: Perhaps you can then copy page or so . Ooh . No . Oh you you made the entire could you Industrial Designer: Okay . Undo , undo . User Interface: Oh
Industrial Designer: Undo .
User Interface: not Well .
Industrial Designer: So , 'kay .
User Interface: Would you ?
Industrial Designer: Twenty minutes ?
User Interface: By the Perhaps you can save this one , and then copy or something . Add it copy page . Select all .
Project Manager: No , but you c yeah .
User Interface: Alright , something went wrong .
Marketing: Tap .
Project Manager: Okay , but this this new remote we can afford . User Interface: It doesn't work . Let's forget .
Marketing: It should've work .
Industrial Designer: Okay , so you had this list at start ? Project Manager: Hmm ? No , I hadn't .
Industrial Designer: Alright . When did you receive this list ?
Project Manager: I just received it .
Industrial Designer: Ah okay . User Interface: Yeah . Oh
Project Manager: They don't work so hard at the finance department . User Interface: ignore that .  Well , so Industrial Designer: Ah okay . I suppose this is a User Interface: Too bad .
Industrial Designer: Okay , so we lose the scroll wheel ,
User Interface: Yeah . The microphone .
Industrial Designer: the s
Project Manager: Yeah , and that's it .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: And the microphone .
User Interface: A and we changed something , I guess , or not ? We Oh no .
Marketing: Yep .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: Twelve Euro fifty . Um and did you try to make a new design , or what were you trying to do ?
User Interface: Yeah , I tried to copy that one , but it didn't work .
Project Manager: It didn't work .
User Interface: So we could fix it like tha that it's like this . Project Manager: Hmm . Strange .
User Interface: You could select it all , but then you can't erase . Industrial Designer: Strange .
Project Manager: Oh , you can arrange Industrial Designer: You can only re erase ?
User Interface: Erase .
Industrial Designer: Oh .
User Interface: When you saw th li uh Earlier when we selected it , w I couldn't erase anything .
Industrial Designer: Uh , no .
Project Manager: Hmm , can't you then just say copy ?
Industrial Designer: Bling .
Project Manager: New page . Paste . Yes .
Industrial Designer: Ah .
Project Manager: Select none . User Interface: Just tap somewhere .
Industrial Designer: just up somewhere b uh besides it ,
Marketing: just tap somewhere .
Industrial Designer: right .
Project Manager: Okay ,
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: and now you can erase .
User Interface: I don't think I can , but uh we can try .
Industrial Designer: Uh , we already try .
Project Manager: Well it should be possible .
User Interface: Oh , yeah ,
Project Manager: Oh no .
User Interface: no , ha-ha .
Project Manager: Well you can draw over it with white uh pen . Marketing: No ?
User Interface: Yeah , we tried it earlier .
Project Manager: Oh .
User Interface: It's very much work .
Project Manager: Yeah . Sorry . User Interface: Project Manager: Well but that's also useful for the evaluation , because I think uh we have a prototype now
Marketing: Evaluation drops .
Project Manager: which we can afford and uh we only need to draw a little bit to get a good uh design . Doodle . And I think we should then move on to the production evaluation because of the time .