Professor A: Oh , OK .
Grad B: And , I have no idea whether it actually ever goes to anyone so you might just wanna mail to Mari
Professor A: No no , th I got I got , uh , little excited notes from Mari and Jeff and so on ,
Grad B: and Professor A: so it 's Grad B: OK , good .
Professor A: Yeah .
Grad B: So the moderator actually did repost it .
Professor A: Yeah .
Grad B: Cuz I had sent one earlier Actually the same thing happened to me I had sent one earlier . The message says , " You 'll be informed " and then I was never informed but I got replies from people indicating that they had gotten it , so .
Professor A: Right .
Grad B: It 's just to prevent spam .
Professor A: I see . Yeah so O OK . Well , anyway , I guess everybody here Are y are you are on that list , right ? So you got the note ?
PhD G: Mm - hmm .
Professor A: Yeah ? OK .
PhD G: Yeah .
Professor A: Um , so this was , uh , a , uh , proposal that we put in before on on more more higher level , uh , issues in meetings , from I guess higher level from my point of view . Uh , and , uh , meeting mappings , and , uh so is i for it was a proposal for the ITR program , uh , Information Technology Research program 's part of National Science Foundation . It 's the second year of their doing , uh , these grants . They 're they 're a lot of them are some of them anyway , are larger larger grants than the usual , small NSF grants , and . So , they 're very competitive , and they have a first phase where you put in pre - proposals , and we we , uh , got through that . And so th the the next phase will be we 'll actually be doing a larger proposal . And I 'm I I hope to be doing very little of it . And uh , which was also true for the pre - proposal , so . Uh , there 'll be bunch of people working on it . So .
Grad B: When 's when 's the full proposal due ?
Professor A: Uh , I think April ninth , or something . So it 's about a month .
PhD E: p s
Professor A: Um Grad B: Yep . And they said end of business day you could check on the reviewer forms ,
PhD G: u
Grad B: is that PhD G: Tomorrow .
Professor A: Tomorrow . March second , I said .
PhD E: Tomorrow ?
Grad B: I 've been a day off all week .
PhD C: Tomorrow .
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad B: I guess that 's a good thing cuz that way I got my papers done early .
PhD G: It would be interesting Professor A: So that 's amazing you showed up at this meeting !
Grad B: It is . It is actually quite amazing .
PhD E: Yeah .
PhD G: It 'll be interesting to see the reviewer 's comments .
Professor A: Yeah . Yeah . My favorite is was when when when one reviewer says , uh , " you know , this should be far more detailed " , and the nex the next reviewer says , " you know , there 's way too much detail " .
Grad B: Yep . Or " this is way too general " , and the other reviewer says , " this is way too specific " .
PhD C: Yeah .
Professor A: Yeah .
PhD C: Yeah .
Professor A: Yeah .
Grad B: " This is way too hard " , " way too easy " .
Professor A: We 'll see . Maybe there 'll be something useful . And and , uh Grad B: Well it sounded like they they the first gate was pretty easy . Is that right ? That they didn't reject a lot of the pre - proposals ?
Professor A: Do you know anything about the numbers ?
Grad B: No . Just just th
PhD G: It 's just from his message it sounded like that .
PhD E: Yeah . Yeah . I said something , yeah .
PhD G: Gary Strong 's Professor A: I
PhD G: there was a sentence at the end of one of his paragraphs
PhD E: Yeah .
PhD G: I Professor A: I should go back and look . I didn't I don't think that 's true .
Grad B: Yeah , OK .
PhD G: Mmm . He said the next phase 'll be very , competitive
PhD E: Very very ,
PhD G: because we didn't want to weed out much in the first phase .
PhD E: yeah . Yeah .
Professor A: Well we 'll have to see what the numbers are .
Grad B: Or something like that ,
PhD C: Mm - hmm .
Grad B: so .
PhD C: Hmm .
Professor A: Yeah . But they they have to weed out enough so that they have enough reviewers .
Grad B: Right .
PhD C: Yeah .
Professor A: So , uh , you know , maybe they didn't r weed out as much as usual , but it 's it 's usually a pretty But it Yeah . It 's it 's certainly not I 'm sure that it 's not down to one in two or something of what 's left .
Grad B: Right .
Professor A: I 'm sure it 's , you know Grad B: How how many awards are there , do you know ?
Professor A: Well there 's different numbers of w awards for different size They have three size grants . This one there 's , um See the small ones are less than five hundred thousand total over three years and that they have a fair number of them . Um , and the large ones are , uh , boy , I forget , I think , more than , uh , more than a million and a half , more than two million or something like that . And and we 're in the middle middle category .
Grad B: Mm - hmm .
Professor A: I think we 're , uh , uh , I forget what it was . But , um Uh , I don't remember , but it 's pr probably along the li I I could be wrong on this yeah , but probably along the lines of fifteen or that they 'll fund , or twenty . I mean when they Do you do you know how many they funded when they f in in Chuck 's , that he got last year ?
PhD G: I don't I don't know .
Professor A: Yeah .
Grad B: I thought it was smaller , that it was like four or five , wasn't it ?
Professor A: Well they fund PhD G: I I 'm Professor A: they PhD G: I don't remember .
Professor A: yeah . I mean Grad B: Uh it doesn't matter , we 'll find out one way or another .
Professor A: Yeah . I mean last time I think they just had two categories , small and big ,
Grad B: Mm - hmm .
Professor A: and this time they came up with a middle one , so it 'll there 'll be more of them that they fund than of the big .
PhD G: If we end up getting this , um , what will it mean to ICSI in terms of , w wh where will the money go to , what would we be doing with it ?
Professor A: Uh .
Grad B: Exactly what we say in the proposal .
PhD G: I I mean uh which part is ICSI though .
Professor A: You know , it i None of it will go for those yachts that we 've talking about .
PhD G: I mean Dang !
Professor A: Um , well , no , I mean it 's u It PhD G: It 's just for the research to continue the research on the Meeting Recorder stuff ?
Professor A: It 's extending the research , right ? Because the other PhD G: Yeah .
Grad B: Yeah it 's go higher level stuff than we 've been talking about for Meeting Recorder .
Professor A: Yeah . Yeah the other things that we have , uh , been working on with , uh , the c with Communicator uh , especially with the newer things with the more acoustically - oriented things are are are are lower level . And , this is dealing with , uh , mapping on the level of of , um , the conversation of mapping the conversations
PhD G: Mm - hmm . Right , right .
Professor A: to different kind of planes . So . Um . But , um . So it 's all it 's all stuff that none none of us are doing right now , or none of us are funded for , so it 's so it 's it would be new .
PhD G: So assuming everybody 's completely busy now , it means we 're gonna hafta , hire more students , or , something ?
Professor A: Well there 's evenings , and there 's weekends , and Uh . Yeah , there there would be there would be new hires , and and there there would be expansion , but , also , there 's always  for everybody there 's there 's always things that are dropping off , grants that are ending , or other things that are ending , so ,
PhD G: Right .
Professor A: there 's there 's a continual need to to bring in new things .
PhD C: Mm - hmm .
Grad B: Yep .
PhD G: Right .
Professor A: But but there definitely would be new new new , uh , students ,
PhD G: I see .
Professor A: and so forth , both at at UW and here .
Grad B: Are there any students in your class who are expressing interest ?
Professor A: Um , not clear yet . Not clear yet .
Grad B: Other than the one who 's already here .
Professor A: I mean we got  we have yeah , two of them are two in the c There 're two in the class already here , and then and and , uh uh , then there 's a third who 's doing a project here , who , uh But he he he won't be in the country that long ,
Grad B: Mm - hmm .
Professor A: and , maybe another will end up .
Grad B: Yep .
Professor A: Actually there is one other guy who 's looking that that 's that guy , uh , Jeremy ? {comment} I think .
PhD C: Mm - hmm .
Professor A: Anyway , yeah that 's that 's all I was gonna say is that that that 's you know , that 's nice and we 're sorta preceding to the next step , and , it 'll mean some more work , uh , you know , in in March in getting the proposal out , and then , it 's , uh , you know We 'll see what happens . Uh , the last one was that you had there , {comment} was about naming ?
Grad B: Yep . It just , uh we 've been cutting up sound files , in for ba both digits and for , uh , doing recognition . And Liz had some suggestions on naming and it just brought up the whole issue that hasn't really been resolved about naming . So , uh , one thing she would like to have is for all the names to be the same length so that sorting is easier . Um ,
PhD C: Yeah .
Grad B: same number of characters so that when you 're sorting filenames you can easily extract out bits and pieces that you want . And that 's easy enough to do . And I don't think we have so many meetings that that 's a big deal just to change the names . So that means , uh , instead of calling it " MR one " , " MR two " , you 'd call it " MRM zero zero one " , " MRM zero zero two " , things like that . Just so that they 're they 're all the same length .
Postdoc F: But , you know , when you , do things like that you can always as long as you have uh , you can always search from the beginning or the end of the string .
Grad B: The problem is that they 're a lot of fields .
Postdoc F: You know , so " zero zero two " Grad B: Alright ,
Postdoc F: Yeah .
Grad B: so we we have th we 're gonna have the speaker ID , the session , uh uh , information on the microphones ,
Postdoc F: Yeah , well , your example was really Grad B: information on the speak on the channels and all that .
PhD C: Uh - huh .
Postdoc F: i
Grad B: And so if each one of those is a fixed length , the sorting becomes a lot easier .
Postdoc F: OK .
Grad D: She wanted to keep them the same lengths across different meetings also . So like , the NSA meeting lengths , {comment} all filenames are gonna be the same length as the Meeting Recorder meeting names ?
Grad B: Yep . And as I said , the it 's we just don't have that many that that 's a big deal .
PhD G: Cuz of digits .
Grad B: And so , uh , um , at some point we have to sort of take a few days off , let the transcribers have a few days off , make sure no one 's touching the data and reorganize the file structures . And when we do that we can also rationalize some of the naming .
Postdoc F: I I would think though that the transcribe the transcripts themselves wouldn't need to have such lengthy names .
Grad B: Right .
Postdoc F: So , I mean , you 're dealing with a different domain there , and with start and end times and all that , and channels and stuff ,
Grad B: Right . So the only thing that would change with that is just the directory names ,
Postdoc F: so , it 's a different set .
Grad B: I would change them to match . So instead of being MR one it would be MRM zero zero one . But I don't think that 's a big deal .
Postdoc F: Fine . Fine .
Grad B: So for for m the meetings we were thinking about three letters and three numbers for meeting I Ds . Uh , for speakers , M or F and then three numbers , For , uh and , uh , that also brings up the point that we have to start assembling a speaker database so that we get those links back and forth and keep it consistent . Um , and then , uh , the microphone issues . We want some way of specifying , more than looking in the " key " file , what channel and what mike . What channel , what mike , and what broadcaster . Or I don't know how to s say it . So I mean with this one it 's this particular headset with this particular transmitter w as a wireless .
PhD C: Yeah .
PhD E: Yep .
Grad B: And you know that one is a different headset and different channel . And so we just need some naming conventions on that .
PhD C: Yeah .
Grad B: And , uh ,
PhD C: Uh - huh .
Grad B: that 's gonna become especially important once we start changing the microphone set - up . We have some new microphones that I 'd like to start trying out , um , once I test them . And then we 'll we 'll need to specify that somewhere . So I was just gonna do a fixed list of , uh , microphones and types .
PhD C: Yeah .
Grad B: So , as I said PhD E: OK .
PhD G: That sounds good .
PhD C: Yeah .
Professor A: Um ,  since we have such a short agenda list I guess I wi I will ask how how are the transcriptions going ? Yeah .
Postdoc F: The the news is that I 've I uh s So in s um So I 've switched to Start my new sentence . I I switched to doing the channel - by - channel transcriptions to provide , uh , the uh , tighter time bins for partly for use in Thilo 's work and also it 's of relevance to other people in the project . And , um , I discovered in the process a couple of of interesting things , which , um , one of them is that , um , it seems that there are time lags involved in doing this , uh , uh , using an interface that has so much more complexity to it . And I and I wanted to maybe ask , uh , Chuck to help me with some of the questions of efficiency . Maybe I was thinking maybe the best way to do this in the long run may be to give them single channel parts and then piece them together later . And I I have a script , I can piece them together . I mean , so it 's like , I I know that I can take them apart and put them together and I 'll end up with the representation which is where the real power of that interface is .
Professor A: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc F: And it may be that it 's faster to transcribe a channel at a time with only one , uh , sound file and one , uh , set of of , uh , utterances to check through .
PhD C: Yeah .