B: I mean do you want the whole thing yellow ,
B: maybe like yellow and white B: do you want something D: Mm .
C: So I reckon it'd look quite nice if we just had um this here , had a sorta background yellow ,
D: B: Uh-huh .
C: and then have sort of a nice bold colour for the buttons .
B: Okay cool .
B: Um and also I mean how are we going to incorporate the slogan in ?
B: The fact that it talks to you , I mean it might be quite cool if when you first start using it it says , what is it , putting fashion into electronics or something ,
B: I dunno .
B: Or when you like B: or if you turn it off or something if it can speak if it could actually say the slogan it might be a bit more powerful than just having it written on it somewhere .
C: I think that might scare me .
B: I d I d any thoughts on that at all ?
C: I think that'd probably scare me .
C: You turn it on your control possessed s .
B: I know .
B: Um unless an a I mean if you B: also would that work if we wanted to incorporate um an L_C_D_ display , where would we put that ?
B: Would we put that on the inside or C: Um A: Do we need an L_C_D_ display ?
A: What what's the functionality of that ?
B: It's bound to increase the cost of it a lot , I would've thought .
A: Yeah but the question is what are we using it D: What would it achieve ?
A: what would we what would we achieve from it ?
A: Putting in lights is cheap but putting in an L_C_D_ panel just to make it glow is a bit of a D: Well D: L_C_ well I'd D: when you used to mention the L_C_D_ I'd think I wonder what that would be about .
D: And the th the thing I could see it helping with would be if it was somehow connected with um listings .
D: So as you scroll through , 'cause we said we might have a jog dial , so as you scroll through your stations you can y it actually tells you what it is .
B: Yeah .
A: Mm-hmm .
A: I think that will be a problem because we don't have an input device to get the listings into it ,
D: Right , okay .
A: so um it's a bit nuts to get the Monday Tuesday Wednesday you know .
B: Mm oh yeah that's true .
B: Yeah .
B: So so no need for an L_C_D_ display ?
D: Mm-hmm .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Um I I'm not saying there's no need for an L_C_D_ display ,
A: but um it's what's what what would it tell the user ,
B: I think that would make it very complex .
A: 'cause the L_C_D_ tends to be an output as uh as opposed to an input so um does the remote control need to talk back to the user ?
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
D: Mm not real
A: We have the option of the speaker as well A: the sa the same thing goes for the speaker , is there a need for the remote control to to talk back ?
D: B: I don't know if there is really ,
D: Mm-hmm .
C: Nah .
B: no um A: Um B: I would say no need for a talk-back .
B: Uh does anybody disagree with that ?
D: No .
A: You could put a game on it .
B: No ? C: D: B: Easy .
A: When the T_V_ dies you can play with the remote control .
D: Mm mm .
B: Okay um right
B: so you're gonna have the three different sets of of functionalities ,
B: um I mean do you wanna group them into s head of the snowman , body of the snowman , inside of the snowman ,
B: is that what you're thinking ?
C: Um well I think the advanced ones the the ones you don't usually use could be hid inside .
B: Okay .
C: B um I think the we had were fairly basic ones ,
C: they'd have to go on the the front somewhere .
B: Okay
B: right um
B: what else do you need to talk about ?
D: Well i I was just A: Where would you physically position the buttons ?
A: Um I think that that has some impact on on on many things .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
C: Um A: Um maybe you wanna draw onto the B: So I'm just gonna um pop this in here
B: 'cause I have a slide about decision making which I'd forgotten about .
A: Yep .
B: Oh sh God
B: we've got five minutes
B: um okay uh
B: back we go .
B: Um energy what do you think that's suggesting we're how we're powering the thing ?
B: I really like the idea of this kinetic thing where you'd have the back-up of the battery , but have have kinetic power ,
D: Yeah ,
D: sure .
D: Um I've had kinetic things before ,
B: I mean what does anybody think about that ?
D: and the the the one issue we need to keep in mind with them is that you're committing the user to moving it ,
D: and watches yeah A: No ,
A: like I said we have a h hybrid kind of thing , so it's not gonna charge the battery , it's just D: Sure ,
D: okay ,
D: right , okay .
B: Okay .
D: Support for it .
D: I mean just A: Yeah .
D: it's just worth pointing out because like I've I've known I've known people to have kinetic watches that they wear all the time ,
B: Mm-hmm .
D: and it's just like magic because it's always powered and there's no battery .
D: I've also known people to have things like like a jewellery watch they wear from time to time ,
D: and they eventually just say it's just too much of a nuisance because I don't wear it all the time .
B: Yeah .
A: Yep .
D: Like remote control is similar , you're away on vacation , I dunno whatever , you something , and it just starts to get worn down .
B: Yeah .
D: So we should think about B: Well I suppose that if you're if you're away and you're not using it , then you're not using any power either .
B: So you'd have the battery as the kind of to keep it ticking over idea D: Yeah .
B: I'm really sorry
B: we're gonna have to wrap up quite quickly ,
B: we don't have as much time as I thought .
D: Yep .
B: Um so I think that's what energy is referring to here .
B: Chip on print , is that that's an industrial design thing , is it David ?
A: Yes yes .
B: Okay um as for the case , kind of discussed that D: And this size here , I'd suggest this be small , like quite small .
B: Yeah
B: I know we're gonna have like rubber buttons
B: that feel kind of C: Yeah I think so yeah .
B: Okay .
D: Um just a a lot of the um D: I mean one of the things running through my mind right now ,
D: I realise we're being efficient to wrap up the meeting and have lots of decisions made ,
B: Mm-hmm .
D: um but we are leaning quite a bit to the side of being low-tech , rubber buttons plastic frame ,
D: it's almost like we're reproducing the same old remote control that's out there .
B: Mm 'kay .
D: Should we think about how we are actually getting this high-tech user friendly uh um theme D: like what is it that we're u we're using to to achieve those goals ?
B: D: Like B: Could have things like backlighting the buttons and stuff like that .
D: Okay so so backlighting , that would be good .
A: Or even a clear case .
A: Um you know a a glowing a a glowing yellow type case where the yellow is showable ,
D: Yeah clear ,
B: Aye that would be a good idea .
D: Okay .
A: but in the dark it sort of , it's alive .
C: D: Yeah sure .
A: Um in in a slight subtle way .
B: S so like cur slightly transparent case , so it's yellow , like tinted yellow , but you can maybe see through it .
D: Yeah that'd be really good .
A: Yeah yeah .
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
B: Is that what you mean ?
A: Or or there might be a light running through it like a mouse .
D: Sure .
A: You know you have cordless mice and they don't eat that much power right .
D: Yeah , yeah .
A: So the power the battery in that sense ,
A: maybe you have one or two stratig strategically placed lights
D: Yeah .
D: Sure .
A: that sort of D: Yeah they they emanate a light through it .
B: Okay .
A: Yeah
A: but because the case is transparent so it gives it a little bit of a glow , doesn't make it freaky .
B: Lights .
D: 'Kay .
D: Yeah ,
D: mm-hmm .
B: Okay .
D: Um and then the other thing that we we're s we've committed ourselves to achieving is simplicity ,
D: and so I'm thinking maybe should we try and think about having something like um some kind of an innovative concept about how the um the volume and the channels are controlled ,
D: 'cause that's the main thing people will f wanna do .
B: Mm .
D: Could we use like a jog dial , like a nice just sort of round , somewhere on it where you just roll it ?
A: The question is when you're rolling it , how do you wanna roll it ?
D: Or A: Do you want 'em to roll it like that ?
A: Do you want 'em to roll it like that ?
A: 'Cause in a mouse your hand's in a position to roll it ,
C: Mm .
D: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
A: whereas the other thing about having it jog dial this way , it tends to get moved accidentally .
D: Mm-hmm .
B: Yeah if you are holding it in your hand you could you could do that , couldn't you ?
D: Well why don't we do it like a mouse then ?
B: If you're holding it in your hand you could A: That's a very unnatural motion to B: Do you think ?
A: yeah .
B: Okay .
A: Can you imagine you have to scroll a lot .
A: Um it might work for volume ,
D: Yeah .
A: and maybe some of the brightness controls and stuff like that ,
B: Mm .
A: but not for channels right .
A: If you have a Telewest box you've got like , you don't have to buy all the channels ,
D: Mm-hmm .
A: you've about fifty channels ,
A: can you imagine trying to .
B: Yeah
D: Yeah .
B: okay okay
D: Yeah ,
A: Um and I don't think having that you know too quick too slow kin it's confusing to the D: sure .
B: um  D: Mm .
C: Well , but then for um for skipping a large amount of channels you do have to uh to skip the channel button , the number part .