D: my investigation turns out that the younger people want a little bit uh material that that is uh spongy
C: Oh . Ah .
C: flashy and C: yeah .
D: and uh A: .
C: I think would be cool , scroll-wheel .
D: So A sc
C: It's not that much C: uh if we take a normal scroll-wheel without the pushing , then it's not expensive .
C: We can do that . Think .
A: But why do we need it ?
B: Yeah ,
B: but why would we use it ?
C: Ah we don't need it ,
D: Yeah .
C: but it's uh it's design a design thing .
A: If we don't need it , why put it in your why put it in your in your if it's if it's not something people are looking for or is useful .
B: D: Yeah ,
D: you get D: No .
C: I think they are looking for that .
C: Of course we have uh a young target group .
A: Are they ?
C: So they might find that attractive in a remote con
D: Scroll-wheel ? Uh I don't know .
A: Yeah ,
A: but if it's if it's not useful ,
A: I don't think it I don't think it gives an extra function to the remote .
D: Yeah , that's it .
A: Anyway C: Okay .
C: So push-buttons we will use .
C: Uh L_C_D_ screen ?
B: Perhaps .
B: I have t I have two different C: Is that s
A: What you what A: what'd you get on the L_C_D_ screen ?
D: Yeah .
A: Is it expensive ?
A: Does it C: Uh I only know that if we are using that , we need ano uh an advanced chip in it .
C: And that is more expensive .
A: And how much more expensive is that ?
C: I have no idea . I have no absolute numbers .
A: Or A: No absolute numbers ,
B: Okay .
C: I only have D: .
A: but it's just more expensive
A: and takes more room I suppose in your in your design .
C: Yeah ,
C: but I don't think room is really an issue .
A: Don't think it's an issue , okay .
A: Oh let's go for C: A: let's say because it is uh very hot in n our target group I think ,
A: we should take it take it t to consideration to build an L_C_D_ screen in it .
D: .
B: I have two designs ,
B: one including uh an L_C_D_ screen , wh which is basically the deluxe edition .
D: For the future .
A: Okay .
D: Yeah .
B: And then I also have a standard edition , which wi we can also choose to develop too .
A: Which basically has the same functionality , but lacks the L_C_D_ screen .
D: Yep
B: Exactly .
A: Okay .
B: But we'll A: We'll pick a we'll pick from uh A: we'll just combine everything later .
C: Mm-hmm . Okay .
C: Electronics ,
C: uh the first one is the chip .
C: Uh that's no longer an option ,
C: it has to be an advanced one now .
C: 'Cause we have the L_C_D_ screen .
B: Yep .
C: Then we have an infrared sender ,
C: I think that's basic ,
C: we cannot do without .
B: Basically ,
D: Yep .
B: it C: Otherwise it's not s a remote control .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: And we have the sample sensor and speaker , the voice recognition thing .
C: Are we gonna do that or not ?
A: Once again I was would ask you if it's expensive ,
B: Oh ,
B: I got A: but apparently you don't have any data .
C: I only have uh uh relative information .
A: So A: Well
A: what d what was exact what you got on the on the new component ?
B: I got an email that it's relatively small .
A: That's small .
A: So we can implement it .
B: Yes ,
B: let me just  Get back .
A: So why why A: if it's small and we can imp why shouldn't we ?
C: Oh
C: how did you A: And there's um  get your mar marketing report ?
C: That goes also for the scroll-wheel , by the way .
A: What was uh the last number
A: of how many people were interested in voice recognition ?
D: Um uh A: Although it's hard for different countries of course .
D: The most of them um A: But you have to programme it yourself , I suppose , with your own voice .
D: Um uh more than uh sixty percent .
A: More than sixty percent of the people would like voice recognition .
D: Yeah .
D: Mean of uh seventy percent I think .
C: Hmm .
D: Uh I'm D: I have to look it up .
A: If it's small , if it's fits , if if people like it , why not ?
C: Yeah .
C: Hmm .
C: But don't we have any w uh information about scroll-wheel ? Scroll-wheel . If people would like that .
A: So D: No . No ,
C: That's strange ,
C: because that's the same story .
D: only C: It's it's not necessary like an L_C_D_ ,
D: Ah . I don't know .
C: but it's just it adds something to the design .
A: Yeah ,
A: but we got some data on people that actually are int are interested in that ,
A: and I don't think a scroll-wheel offers new functionality ,
C: Hmm .
D: On the most spee
A: whereas speech recognition and L_C_D_ screen do offer new functionality in your product .
C: No
D: But C: Oh that's r
D:  C: But I think uh we now already have to uh implement uh an advanced chip .
A: Uh I think so ,
C: So it's m
A: because if I think we're specially w if you're going D: Yeah ,
D: for the future .
A: maybe uh if you have the two editions you wanna wanna give out , probably you have one with uh with speech recognition
A: and B: Well ,
B: they b
B: they basically can have speech recognition .
B: I mainly focused on the L_C_D_ uh aspect .
A: Um Yeah ,
A: hold on a minute .
A: Were were you A: we're finished ?
A: Or C: No ,
C: but that's that's okay .
A: Oh .
A: Because if there's something that C:  B: 'Cause you wanted to see them ,
C: There is still time .
A: 'Cause have B: right ?
A: did you have all the materials ?
A: Or everything that you desc
C: Yes ,
C: this was uh the last M_S_ .
C: I have a clear picture .
A: Okay , so uh
A: just just go for design for now .
A: Just m have a seat for a second . Uh C: A: We'll combine everything after this .
B: So this is basically the deluxe edition .
A: Why is it s why is it squared ?
B: I j
B: Why is it square ?
A: Why did you pick square ?
A: Or uh not square , but why is it  yeah , sharp corners .
B: It B: 'cause it's designy .
B: It's basically it has some futuristic Potentially ,
D: Yeah .
B: yeah .
B: I don't really know .
A: B: But I just thought that uh in normal remote controls you have like smooth curves and this and that ,
D: People A: Looks like a Star Trek phaser . B: and this is something new , this is something different , something fresh .
A: It's true .
B: And basically what you can see here is that it has a little , yeah , let's say gap
D: Ri
B: which you can put your finger in .
A: Yeah . Or Okay , so just yeah ,
D: So only r right-handed .
A: you can rest it on your finger .
B: So you can you can hold it really comfortable ,
A: Okay .
B: that's basically the idea .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: But it but it's only right-handed then . Not for the left .
B: Or left hand .
A: No ,
A: it just uh D: Or B: I
B: doesn't really matter .
A: it's a curve inside a thing .
C: Hmm .
A: So B: As you can see , this is the remote control
D: Where ?
D: Wher
A: It's on the back .
D: Oh in the back , okay .
B: Uh you can't really see it that well ,
D: Oh yeah yeah .
B: but this is the L_C_D_ screen .
D: Okay .
B: So just imagine it goes that way .
A: Yeah , I think it's okay .
D: Oh yeah yeah . Okay . Yeah . Yeah yeah . Yeah .
B: Then you can see you can hold it in your left or in your right hand .
B: And I also made a quick image , 'cause I did not have that much time , of the standard edition
D: I thought it B: which has basically the keys are pretty much the same .
A: Keys are probably the n the number keys , I suppose .
B: Yeah .
B: I had to do this really fast .
B: So excuse me for the uh inconvenience here ,
A: Okay . Well ,
B: but as you can see , the keys moved .
A: you can work on the actual concept or actual design later with him .
B: Yeah .
B: So
B: these are basically the two types we have .
A: But B: So if we were to select the L_C_D_ screen , the transmitter here , you can see the light i
A: Well ,
A: I think what you have to keep in mind is that um you're moving the the the number keys from the top .
A: Uh in the the simple design you have them at a top ,
A: and the uh complex design you have them at the bottom .
A: So it would that would give us a totally different design .
A: So which actually making a whole different product instead of two different models .
A: I think it would be very expensive to produce two whole different products .
B: Well
B: we can shift that .
A: So B: But normally , as you can see there , we put the uh number buttons right on top .
B: Whereas because we had the L_C_D_ screen here , we had to move them downward ,
A: Yeah , uh B: so what you could say is that A: or for example , why did you pick the mm the numbers uh all the way below , and the and the channels and volume control B: Because these are basically the functions you use the most .
D: Well
D: it it's D: yeah .
B: So if you hold it in your hand like this , you put your finger in the gap ,
B: this is the m most easy part . Bit . For zapping ,
A: Okay .
C: Hmm , I agree .
A: That's fine . That's fine .
D: Yeah .
B: cau
B: because people are zapping most of the time .
A: Just as long as you tak took it into consideration what people would prefer .
A: Uh , okay
A: if you all agree , I'm fine with it .
C: Hmm .
A: But D: Yeah .
B: Okay . So
B: that's pretty much ha which I had in mind .
B: As you can see here , this can be spaced for extra keys ,
B: which is the design thingys .
A: Okay . D: No
D: it D: maybe it's better to look uh what the people want .
A: Yeah ,
D: So I can uh show my uh investigation .
A: I think we'll A: I think we're going towards the deluxe edition anyway ,
A: because that seems to be what the people want .
D: Yeah , maybe it's better .
A: But let's see what's what they want now .
B: Yeah .
D: Especially for young people .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: Um where is that ? Where is th
A: That's mine .
D: Oh . Uh A: No ,
A: you should send it to the f to the folder first .
D: Yeah .
D: Mm I forgot that .
A: Okay um ,
A: let's just assume we go to forty one .
D: Okay ,
D: now it must be there .
D: Yeah , here it is .
D: Oh yeah .
D: Okay , uh
D: the investigation turns out that the most appear  uh people want um um uh look and feel likes is uh uh the s the same as before ,
D: but it must be w a little bit fancier than uh the the look of it .
D: Um the second important thing is um the it must be uh technol technological uh innova vative .
A: D: So that's the L_C_D_ screen is perfect , I think ,
D: and not uh B: Speech recognition .
D: Yeah , tha that's uh very important .
D: And a third thing is um yeah , it's uh should be easy to use ,
D: so not not too much bu buttons and uh channel selection .
D: I think that's uh what you showed is uh perfect .
D: And what the pe young people want is uh in Paris and and in Milan uh it showed out that the fruit and vegetables are uh are trendy .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: Th they D: you s you see it in the clothes and everything .
D: And um the contrast uh of it , it must uh the the buttons must a little bit spongy material .
D: So uh rubber , I think uh th that's the best .
C: Hmm .
C: No . Yeah , uh I agree .
A: Mm-hmm .
B: Then rubber would be the best as a material indeed .
D: No .
A: I think so .
D: So we are uh we were focussing uh on the younger people .
B: If that is the uh C: Okay , agreement .
A: Okay .
D: So the elder , yeah , they wanted a little bit of wood in it
D: and uh that's uh th that's not uh important now .
A: Okay ,
A: so we're definitely going for rubber .
B: It could be a c it could be a cover .
D: Yeah .
B: But it's not .
D: Yeah ,
B: Our focus is the young audience .
A: Let's just go
D: but B: So let's stick to that .
D: Yeah .
A: Uh-huh .
D: 'Cause uh n I I I I thought uh it makes a young uh classic remote with uh A: Nah ,
A: I think we're in this case you're losing the the focus on the young group ,
D: Yeah ,
A: because we're that's what we're focussing on .
D: that's why I I d uh decided With a fruit uh cover ov or something like that . Uh A: So I think the spongy feel gives us rubber .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Yeah ,
A: apparently A: yeah ,
A: maybe also A: yeah ,
A: I tend to disagree with with uh with a sharp form .
A: I suppose it basi if you're uh saying fruits and vegetables , maybe it's supposed to be a little little more round .
D: .
D: Yeah ,
D: in in form of an uh vegetable or an uh fruit , maybe .
A: Yeah ,
A: for exa
A: maybe like uh like a pear or something .
B: Yeah ,
B: but that's just more a se a seasonal , a trend thing .
D: And D: Oh ,
D: where is your C: That's true .
A: That's what we're doing .
B: The idea now is is is that you can uh put a cover on it , for example , with fruit , like a shape or whatever .
D: A trendy A: Mm .
C: Hmm .
A: I think shape is is important ,
B: But not D: Here he here you can put a B: 'cause a n next year it will it'll be something completely different .
A: because they s they really extend .
C: Hmm .
C: Oh , that's true .
B: And then you have your apple-shaped remote control , which is not trendy anymore .
B: So I think that's more something you can focus A: Yeah ,
A: but now you have your your like your Star Trek phaser thing shaped control .
D: A: So I I th the edges are really really sharp .
B: Well ,
B: you can s
D: Uh maybe it A: I'm uh not su
B: What you can do is smooth the edges indeed .
B: But that will bring extra c expenses .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Or maybe just make it make it up into into a low a smooth curve instead of just less sharp twist on the outside .
D: But D: Yeah .
D: All uh veg uh fruit and vegetables are round .
A: D: So it's better C: Mm-hmm .
A: I think I think there needs to be a little A: I think it's too too sharp . The edges are too sharp .
A: The bottom is fine of course if it's square .
D: Yeah .
A: But maybe just th make uh the top a little round it off on the sides .
A: So I mean y
C: But I think , according to my information , this would be two curves .
A: That would be two curves .
D: Two ?
C: We have one left and one right ,
C: and that disables what was it again ?
D: But it C: It's some it's something that we cannot do then .
A: One cur
A: you could also make the curve go through of course .
C: A: But that would make make the top round .
B: Well
B: we've got we've got like one curve here .
C: Okay ,
C: that's not a problem .
B: For the gap .
C: That's only for the titanium .
C: We don't have .
D: But it's that D: that's for the comfort .
B: And we could have one here .
D: It's it's not for the trendy thing of it .
B: No , no no no no .
B: What I'm just B: 'cause you mentioned that more curves the more expensive ,
B: so I'm just taking that into account .
D: Yeah ?
C: Yes
D: Okay , yeah .
A: But let's see ,
A: titanium would give us only one curve .
D:  C: Then w
C: yeah ,
C: but we don't have that .
A: So A: but we're not d we're not using titanium .
C: So we have D: So the no .
C: We have no .
B: Well
B: we picked rubber ,
B: right ?
A: Right , we did .
A: So C: But they uh D: We m
B: So basically what we can do is m make these edges a little bit less sharp .
A: Just doodle something on the board on the left .
D: form .
B: But the problem then is that it will start to resemble m the remote controls as we have them today .
B: We were looking at something fresh , something trendy A: Well actually ,
A: we're setting ourselves apart from by technology alone actually .
D:  A: So that D: A: let's see what you're doing .
C: They th
C: these wha are what they call the curves .
C: This side , this side , this is how they count .
A: Oh , okay .
B: Okay .
A: I don't think like that . Not not really the curves on the on the side of the remote .
D: C: No no .
C: This is what they uh what they mean .
B: Okay ,
C: Okay , that's not really a good .
B: so that's basically silly .
A: Okay ,
A: now I uh of course now I understand why they have more uh like um Why the curves um decrease the the um the size the electronics that can be inside . So Okay .
A: I don't think the outside would be called as a curve really .
D: Yeah .
C: It's like this .
A: I think it's for all the basic well , looking from the side anyway .
A: Well ,
A: if you see what A: I have to come up with some designs fast anyway .
A: So D: But you can make uh if you want to use a fruit in uh in uh C: Hmm .
A:  A: Okay . B: But isn't the f the fruit like a cover thing ,
D: Uh B: because we A: Well ,
A: you shouldn't focus on the mostly on the covers ,
D: Hey , you A: because lot of things we came up with ,
A: shouldn't be too really too much shouldn't be too focussed on the covers
D: You can make it like Like this .
A: because it's kind of an idea of our own ,
C: Hmm .
B: No ,
B: but A: but we're not sure if we can actually make that .
B: But if we put that directly into the design , we limit ourselves extremely .
B: Because it that's just for one seasonal trend .
A: That's the one thing I'm also afraid of with this one
D: Well A: because it the edges are really um they might stick out on the on the side for example .
D: Oh .
D: As a example .
C: Hmm .
D: But A: If you have a basic design , a little m a little smaller on the on the s on the edges , you could put more covers on it , y one one with square or um sharp corners if you want to .
D: I d
B: Okay ,
B: so that's A: So B: well ,
B: that's probabl
A: M
A: just round it off a little , I guess ,
A: because so we have more options I suppose .
C: Hmm .
B: , you'd just like it to go a little bit more like this .
A: I think so
A: because it looks leaner
A: and we should just go with that .
B: Okay .
A: Anyway , you have all the time in the world to make to make the final design in a minute with him .
D: Hmm .
A: So  So
A: we decided on what
A: what did you guys wanna know again
A: because this is um A: anyway ,
A: I'll fire up my thing .
A: So so
B: Did you present e everything you wanted to ?
A: we come to a decision .
C: Yep .
B: Okay .
C: So
C: I can uh qui
A: Uh what the C: oh .
C: I can quickly make a conclusion of what we have decided so far .
B: Uh we still need to decide on a couple of things you you needed to know .