C: We can't just make it openly available on the web .
E: No , no .
E: You 're missing the point .
F: Mm - hmm .
E: We 're We 're trying i We 're trying to make it less of an obvious just l l l l uh fall off a log , to do this .
F: Not everyone gets a password , unless they ask for it .
E: Right ?
E: So th so what I would see , is that first you contact them and ask them if they would like to review it for to check for the F: Yeah .
E: not just for fun ,
E: OK ?
E: but to to check this for uh things that they 're worried about having said or if they 're willing to just send an approval of it , at from their memory .
E: Um and , uh , and we should think carefully actually we should review go through how that 's worded ,
E: OK ?
E: Then , if someone uh wants to review it , uh ,
E: and I know you don't like this , but I 'm offering this as a suggestion , is that is that we then give them a print out .
E: And then if they say that " I have a potential problem with these things , " then , you you say " OK well you might wanna hear this in context to s think if you need that , " you issue them a password , i in the C: But the the problem with what you 're suggesting is it 's not just inconvenient for them , it 's inconvenient for me .
C: Because that means multiple contacts every time for every single meeting every time anyone wants anything .
C: I would much prefer to have all be automatic , they visit the web site if they want to .
C: Obviously they don't have to .
E: I know you 'd prefer it , but the proble
E: we have C: Yeah .
E: there 's a problem with it .
C: So I think you 're thinking people are going to arbitrarily start bleeping and I just don't think that 's gonna happen .
F: I 'm also concerned about the spirit of the of the informed consent thing .
F: Cuz I think if they feel that uh , it 's I th I th
F: You know , if it turns out that something gets published in this corpus that someone really should have eliminated and didn't detect , then it could have been because of their own negligence that they didn't pursue that next level and get the password and do that ,
F: um , but but they might be able to argue " oh well it was cumbersome , and I was busy and it was gonna take me too much time to trace it down " .
F: So it could that the burden would come back onto us .
F: So I 'm a little bit worried about uh , making it harder for them , from the legal standpoint .
E: Well you can go too far in that direction , and you need to find somewhere between I think ,
F: Yeah .
E: because C: It seems to me that sending them email , saying " if you have an O - OK reply to this email and say OK ,
E: Uh - huh .
C: If you have a problem with it contact me and I 'll give you a password " ,
C: seems like is a perfectly , reasonable compromise .
C: And if they want a printout they can print it out themselves .
F: Or we could print it up for them ,
F: I mean we could offer that A: Yeah .
F: but but there 's uh , another aspect to that and that is that in the informed consent form , um , my impression is that they that we offered them at the very least that they definitely would have access to the transcript .
F: And and I ha
F: I don't know that there 's a chance of really skipping that stage .
E: Yeah .
F: I mean I I thought that you were F: Maybe I misinterpreted what you said but it 's E: Having access to it doesn't necessarily mean , that having it
C: Having it .
F: Giving it to them .
E: right ?
F: OK .
E: It just means they have the right to have it .
C: Well the in F: Alright .
C: the consent form is right in there if anyone wants to look at it ,
F: Fine .
F: OK .
F: Fair enough .
C: so .
E: Yeah .
F: Sh - sh
C: D you want me to grab one ?
F: well I could F: I 'm closer .
F: I could C: Yeah , but you 're wired
C: aren't you ?
F: Yeah .
F: That is true .
E: Um . Yeah , I mean I don't wanna fool them ,
F: I don't know E: I just meant that e every ev any time you say anything to anyone there is in fact a a bias that is presented ,
F: Oh yeah yeah F: oh I know .
E: right ?
F: Yeah that 's true .
E: of and C: " If you agree to participate you 'll have the opportunity to have anything ex anything excised , which you would prefer not to have included in the data set . "
F: Yeah .
E: Yeah .
C: " Once a transcript is available we will ask your permission to include the data in the corpus for the r larger research community .
C: There again you will be allowed to indicate any sections that you 'd prefer to have excised from the database ,
C: and they will m be removed both from the transcript and the recording . "
F: Hmm .
F: Well that 's more open than I realized .
C: Well , I mean it C: The one question is definitely clear with anything as opposed to just what you said .
E: I A: Yeah .
E: Yeah , uh no that it tha
F: Tha - that 's true .
F: That 's more severe , but the next one says the transcript will be around .
E: that 's right .
F: And it doesn't <comment> really say we 'll send it to you ,
F: or wi it 'll be available for you on the web , or anything .
B: I think it probably leaves it open how we get it to them .
E: I I F: At least it more often .
F: Yeah .
F: It means also we don't have to g To give it to them .
F: I mean like like Morgan was saying they they C: They just have to make sure that it is available to them .
F: It 's available to them if they ask for it .
E: Yeah , OK ,
E: so . wh um I think I have an idea that may be sat may satisfy both you and me in this which is , um ,
E: it 's a it we just go over carefully how these notes to people are worded .
E: So I I just want it to be worded in such a way where it gives the strong impre it gives very , I mean nothing hidden , v very strongly the bias that we would really like to use all of these data .
C: Right .
E: That that we really would rather it wasn't a patchwork of things tossed out ,
F: Good .
E: that it would be better for , um , our , uh , field if that is the case .
E: But if you really think something is gonna E: And I don't think there 's anything in the legal aspects that that is hurt by our expressing that bias .
F: Great .
F: Great , great .
E: And then then my concern about which F: Yeah .
F: I agree .
E: you know you might be right , it may be it was just paranoia on my part , uh but people just E: See I 'm @ @ worried about this interface so much fun that people start bleeping stuff out <comment> just as just because they can .
C: It 's just a check box next to the text , it 's not any fun at all .
E: Yeah .
E: Well I don't know .
E: I kind of had fun when you played me something that was bleeped out .
E: You know .
E: I
C: Well , but they won't get that feedback .
C: All E: Oh they won't ?
C: no because it doesn't automatically bleep it at the time .
E: Oh good .
C: It just sends me E: So you haven't made it so much fun .
C: Right .
E: Oh good .
E: OK ,
C: It just sends me the time intervals .
C: And then at some point I 'll incorporate them all and put bleeps .
C: I mean I don't wanna have t ha do that yet until we actually release the data
E: Yeah .
C: because um , then we have to have two copies of every meeting
C: and we 're already short on disk space .
E: Yeah .
C: So I I wanna I just keep the times until we actually wanna release the data and
C: then we bleep it .
E: OK .
E: Alright , so I think E: Yeah so if we have if i
E: Again let 's you know , sort of circulate the the wording on each of these things and get it right ,
E: but but C: Well since you seem to feel heart uh , strongest about it , would you like to do the first pass ?
E: OK .
E: Uh , fair enough .
E: Turn about is fair play ,
F: Al - Also it ther there is this other question , the legal question that that Adam 's raised , uh about whether we need a concrete signature , or email c i suffices or whatever
E: Sorry .
C: Yeah .
F: and I don't know how that works .
F: i There 's something down there about " if you agree to "
E: I 'm I 'm I 'm I thought I I thought about it with one of my background processes
C: I don't think so .
E: and I uh it 's uh it 's uh , it 's fine to do the email .
F: Ah .
F: Fine .
F: Good .
E: OK .
C: Yeah because thi th they 're signing here that they 're agreeing to the paragraph which says " you 'll be given an opportunity . "
F: OK .
E: Yeah .
E: And C: And so I don't think they need another signature .
E: Well and furthermore I E: it 's now fairly routine in a lot of arrangements that I do with people on contracts and so forth
E: that that uh if it 's if it 's that sort of thing where you 're you 're saying uh " OK I agree , we want eighty hours of this person at such - and - such amount , and I agree that 's OK , "
E: uh if it 's a follow up to some other agreement where there was a signature it 's often done in email now
C: Right .
E: so it 's it 's OK .
F: Great .
E: Um .
C: So I guess I probably should at the minimum , think about how to present it in a printed form .
C: I 'm not really sure what 's best with that .
C: The problem is a lot of them are really short ,
F: Well C: and so I don't necessarily wanna do one per line .
F: Well I s
C: But I don't know how else to do it .
F: I also have this F: I I think it 's nice you have it uh , viewab her <comment> hearable on the on the web for those who might wonder about um , the non nonverbal side ,
F: I mean I I agree that our bias should be as as expressed here ,
F: and but I I think it 's nice that a person could check .
F: Cuz sometimes you know you the words on a on the page , come out soun sounding different in terms of the social dynamics if they hear it .
C: Hmm .
E: Mm - hmm .
F: And I realize we shouldn't emphasize that people <comment> you know , shouldn't borrow trouble .
E: Mm - hmm .
F: What it comes down to but C: Yeah I think actually C: my opinion probably is that the only time someone will need to listen to it is if the transcript is uh not good .
C: You know , if if there are lots of mumbles and parentheses and things like that .
F: Oh , you know , or what if there was an error in the transcript that didn't get detected and there was a whole uh i segment a against some  personal i th
C: Right .
C: That was all mumbled ?
C: I think Microsoft is
A: Yeah .
F: Yeah exactly
A: Oh ,
C: Sorry transcribers .
F: Or or even  or even <comment> there was a a line you know about how " hmm - mmm - mmm <comment> Bill Gates duh - duh - duh - duh . "
E: Yeah .
F: but but it was all the words were all visible , but they didn't end up i some there was a slip in the transcript .
A: Oh , God .
C: They 're gonna hate this meeting .
A: Yeah .
F: Yeah that 's true .
C: Actually Liz will like it .
C: You know , but .
E: Liz will like it .
E: We had a pretty strong disagreement going there .
C: Yep , yep , that 's right .
E: Yeah .
F: Yeah .
F: So I don't know .
F: I mean , I I guess we 're assuming that the transcript is a close enough approximation and that that my double checking will be so close to absolutely perfect that it that nothing will slip by .
C: Mm - hmm .
E: But it the E: some something might sometime , and they uh E: if if it 's something that they said , they might E: i i
E: I mean , you might be very accurate in putting down what they actually said ,
F: Mm - hmm .
E: but , when they hear it , themselves , they may hear something different because they know what they meant .
F: I don't know how to notate that .
B: Sarcasm ,
F: Yeah , that 's right .
B: how do you how do you indicate sarcasm ?
F: Yeah that 's right .
E: No , I 'm serious .
E: So the so i the E: so we might we might get some feedback from people that such - and - such was , you know , not not really what I said .
C: Yeah .
C: Well that would be good to get , definitely .
E: Yeah , but ,
E: Yeah , sure .
C: Just for corrections .
E: Yeah .
C: So um , in terms of password distribution , I think phone is really the only way to do it ,
C: phone and in person .
F: Yeah .
C: Or mail , physical mail .
F: Or if for
F: leave it on their voice mail .
B: Any sub - word level thing .
C: Any sub - wor
C: Yeah , OK .
C: I mean you could do it with PGP or things like that but it 's too complex .
F: You know I just realized something , which is of e th this question about the uh the possible mismatch of F: I mean i
F: well , and actually also the lawyer saying that um , we shouldn't really have them have the people believing that they will be cleared by our checks .
F: You know ?
F: I mean . So it 's like i in a way it 's it 's nice to have the responsibility still on them to listen to the tape and and hear the transcript ,
E: Mm - hmm .
F: to have that be the E: Well yeah , but you can't dep
E: I mean , most people will not wanna take the time to do that , though .
F: Yeah , OK , fair enough .
F: And they 're s they 're absorbing the responsibility themselves .
E: And they they have to F: So it 's not it 's not um F: Yeah , good .
E: But I mean if you were at a meeting , and and you you don't think , at least , that you said anything funny
E: and the meeting was about , you know , some some funny thing about semantics or something , or uh C: You probably won't listen to it .
E: Yeah .
F: It is true that tec that the content is technical ,
F: I and so i and we 're not having these discussions which E: Yeah .
F: I I mean , when I listen to these things , I don't find things that are questionable , in other people 's speech or in my own .
E: Yeah . You would think it would be rare ,
F: Just F: It should be very rare .
E: I mean we 're not talking about the energy crisis or something , people have F: Yeah .
F: Yeah , OK .
C: How about them energy crises .
E: Yeah .
E: I think we 're uh C: Done ?
E: Kind of done .
E: Actually , I was gonna E: Di - Did you have anything n that 's going on , or D: Not really .
D: No .
D: Um , my project is going along
D: but um , I 'm really just here to um fill the project uh the overall progress .
E: Yeah .
D: I don't really have anything specific to to talk about .
E: That 's fine .
E: I just didn't wanna go by you , if you had something .
D: Oh , OK .
E: You don't have anything to say .
E: Nah .
B: No .
E: Transcribers , he was rattling the b marbles in his brain back and forth just then this this C: Shall we do digits ?
E: Oh yeah .
C: Um , oh by the way I did find a bunch D: It um
C: Uh , we should count out
C: how many more digits to forms do we have back there ?
B: There were quite a few .
C: That 's what I thought .
B: Uh .
C: I f I was going through them all and I found actually a lot filed in with them , that were blanks , that no one had actually read .
B: Mmm .
C: And so we still have more than I thought we did .
B: Oh good .
C: So , we have a few more digits before we 're done .
B: You know having this headset reminds me of like working at Burger King or something .
C: Oops .
F: Oh , did you do that ?
C: I 'd like a burger with that ,
A: Burger King
C: do you want fries with that ?
B: No I never did .
E: Wow .
C: And B: But I feel like I could now .