E: Uh I don't know about that .
C: Yeah .
B: I don't know if I like that .
C: Well , the only other choice is that the person would say " no , don't distribute this meeting at all " ,
C: and I would rather they were able to edit out other people then just say " don't distribute it at all " .
E: But th what they signed in the consent form , was something that said you can use my voice .
C: Well , but if if someone is having a conversation , and you only bleep out one side of it , that 's not sufficient .
E: Right ?
E: Yeah .
E: Yeah , but that 's our decision then .
E: Right ?
C: Um , I don't think so .
E: I think it is .
C: I mean , because if I object to the conversation .
C: If I say " we were having a conversation , and I consider that conversation private , " and I consider that your side of it is enough for other people to infer , I wanna be able to bleep out your side .
F: The F: I agree that the consent forms were uh , I cons
F: agree with what Adam 's saying , that um , the consent form did leave open this possibility that they could edit things which they found offensive whe whether they said them or didn't say them .
E: I see .
E: OK , well , if that 's what it said .
F: And the other thing is from the standpoint of the l of the l
F: I 'm not a law lawyer ,
F: but it strikes me that uh , we wouldn't want someone to say " oh yes , I was a little concerned about it
F: but it was too hard to access " .
F: So I think it 's kind of nice to have this facility to listen to it .
F: Now in terms of like editing it by hand , I mean I think it 's i some people would find that easier to specify the bleep part by having a document they edited .
F: But but it seems to me that sometimes um , you know i if a person had a bad day , and they had a tone in their voice that they didn't really like , you know it 's nice it 's nice to be able to listen to it and be sure that that was OK .
C: I mean I can certainly provide a printable version if people want it .
E: Um I mean it 's also a mixture of people ,
C: Um .
E: I mean some people are r do their work primarily by sitting at the computer , flipping around the web ,
E: and others do not .
C: Yep .
E: Others would consider it E: this uh a a set of skills that they would have to gain .
E: You know ?
C: Well I think most of the people in the meetings are the former .
E: It depends on what meetings .
F: That 's true .
B: So far .
C: So .
E: In the meetings so far , yeah .
C: Yep .
E: But we 're trying to expand this ,
E: right ?
C: Right .
E: So I I I actually think that paper is the more universal thing .
C: And that F: Mm - hmm .
C: Well , but if they want to print it out that 's alright .
F: Yeah .
C: I think everyone in the meeting can access the web .
E: No , I think we have to be able to print it out .
E: It 's not just if they want to print it out .
C: OK , so does that mean that I can't use email ?
E: I I think C: Or what ?
F: Cuz you could send it through email you 're thinking .
E: I I th
E: well we C: Well , I don't think I E: there was this C: well I don't think we can send the text through email because of the privacy issues .
F: Good .
E: No .
F: For security ?
F: Yeah , OK good .
A: Yeah .
E: Right .
F: Good point .
C: Um . So giving them , you think a web site to say , " if you wanna print it out here it is " , is not sufficient ?
A: Yeah .
A: I
E: Certainly for everybody who 's been in the meetings so far it would be sufficient .
E: I 'm just wondering about C: Yeah , I 'm just thinking for people that that 's not sufficient for , what the only sufficient thing would be for me to walk up to them and hand it to them .
F: You could mail it to them .
F: Get an a mailing address .
A: Yeah .
C: Equivalent .
F: But I think it 's easier to drop in the box .
A: But A: Just put the button on on the web page which say " please send me the the scripts " .
F: Oh that 's interesting .
C: That 's right .
A: Yeah .
B: What um B: When you display it on the web page , what are what are you showing them ?
B: Utterances ,
C: Mm - hmm .
B: or ?
B: And so can they bleep within an utterance ?
C: No .
C: Whole utterances only .
B: Whole utterances .
C: And that was just convenience for my sake , that it 's uh , uh
C: it would end up being fairly difficult to edit the transcripts if we would do it at the sub - utterance level .
C: Because this way I can just delete an entire line out of a transcript file rather than have to do it by hand .
E: There 's another aspect to this which maybe is part of why this is bothering me .
E: Um , I think you 're really trying very hard to make this as convenient as possible for people to do this .
C: I mean that 's why I did the web form , because for me that would be my most convenient .
B: Mmm .
E: I I I understand .
E: I think that 's the bad idea .
B: I know where you 're going .
C: Oh .
E: See because you 're gon you 're uh E: Really .
E: You 're gonna end up with all these little patchy things , whereas really what we want to do is have the the the bias towards letting it go .
E: Because nob you
E: know it E: There was a E: one or twi once or twice , in the re in the meetings we 've heard , where somebody said something that they might be embarrassed by ,
E: but overall people are talking about technical topics .
E: Nobody 's gonna get hurt .
E: Nobody 's being l libeled .
E: You know , this is this we 're we 're covering E: We 're playing the lawyer 's game , and we 're playing we 're we 're we 're looking for the extreme case .
E: If we really orient it towards that extreme case , make it really easy , we 're gonna end up encouraging a headache .
E: That I think that 's E: I 'm sort of psyching myself out here ,
E: I I 'm trying to uh E: but I I think that 's C: I guess I don't see having a few phrases here and there in a meeting being that mu much of a headache , bleeped out .
E: Well , it 's C: So .
E: but i
B: I think what Morgan 's saying is the easier it is , the more is gonna be bleeped .
E: And and it really depends on what kind of research you 're doing .
E: I think some researchers who are gonna be working with this corpus years from now are really gonna be cursing the fact that there 's a bunch of stuff in there <comment> that 's missing from the dialogue .
C: Mm - hmm .
E: You know , it depends on the kind of research they 're doing ,
A: Yeah .
E: but it might be , uh it might be really a a pain .
E: And , you know where it 's really gonna hurt somebody , in some way E: the one who said it or someone who is being spoken about , <comment> we definitely want to allow the option of it being bleeped out .
E: But I really think we wanna make it the rare incidence .
E: And and uh , I am just a little worried about making it so easy for people to do ,
E: and so much fun ! that they 're gonna go through and bleep out stuff .
F: So much fun .
E: and they can bleep out stuff they don't like too ,
E: right
E: from somebody else , as you say ,
E: you know , so " well I didn't like what he said . "
C: Well I don't see any way of avoiding that .
C: I mean , we have to provi we have promised that we would provide them the transcript and that they can remove parts that they don't like .
E: Yeah .
C: So that the E: No , no , I I I don't C: The only question is E: You - you 've talked me into that ,
E: but I I just think that we should make it harder to do .
C: The problem is if it 's harder for them it 's also harder for me .
C: Whereas this web interface , I just get email ,
C: it 's all formatted ,
C: it 's all ready to go and I can just insert it .
E: So maybe you don't give them access to the web interface unless they really need it .
F: Well I guess E: So so so
F: Yeah .
E: I 'm sorry E: so so So maybe this is a s a way out of it .
F: Hmm .
E: You 've provided something that 's useful for you to do handle ,
E: and useful for someone else if they need it .
E: But I think the issue of privacy and ease and so forth should be that uh , they get access to this if they really need it .
C: Well B: So you 're saying the the sequence would be more like first Adam goes to the contact lists , contacts them via whatever their preferred method is , to see if they want to review the meeting .
E: Right .
B: And then if they don't , you 're done .
B: If they do , then he provides them access to the the web site .
E: W w
C: Well , to some extent I have to do that anyway because as I said we have to distribute passwords .
B: Or a printed - out form .
E: There 's there E: y
C: So ,
E: but you don't necessarily have to distribute passwords is what I 'm saying .
E: So C: Well , but B: Only if they want it .
C: what I 'm saying is that I can't just email them the password because that 's not secure .
E: No , no , no .
E: But you aren't necessarily giving them C: So they have to call me and ask .
E: Right .
E: But we don't even necessarily need to end up distributing passwords at all .
C: Well , we do because of privacy .