C: It has to do with fashion , I guess .
A: Yeah .
C: So
C: do B: It's trendy trendy , fun  D: And w
D: yeah ,
B: yeah .
D: w what they want wanted was uh colours and soft materials .
D: So in that way It it's fancy .
A: Yeah .
A: It applies .
A: It A: yeah .
B: Well ,
B: just give it a two .
C: Okay .
A: Yeah .
C: Yes .
C: I think I th I think it would have been I would have think uh
B: It's not the ultimate uh fancy two , but C: it could have been more fancy by using the double-curved case . It would have been even more fancy ,
C: but we decided not to ,
C: because if we use a double-curved case , we could not use solar .
B: Yeah ,
B: but that's sti that's uh C: So B: Looking at the user uh needs , we only uh don't we don't have the double-curved case .
B: We w we do have uh the rubber ,
B: we do have the colours .
B: That's two out of three .
C: Yes .
B: So I believe uh we are close uh to two .
A: Yeah , I I agree .
C: Yes , I agree too . It's okay .
C: We did  C: yes ,
C: we did good .
D: Okay , and uh
D: was it innovative ?
B: D: A: Well ,
A: with the voice recognition feature
A: and uh B: But that's not in it .
D: Yep .
B: Ov or can we A: No ,
C: Well ,
A: we are evaluating this this uh design now . This prototype .
C: let's let's this product .
B: Okay .
C: So I I I think it is . I think it's innovative .
A: Yeah .
B: And the scroll uh wheel . The solar B: not many remotes have the solar , I think .
C: No .
C: It could have been a little bit more innovative u by using the kinetic uh energy source ,
D: Yeah , and uh C: but it's it's way too A: That would have been a thrill .
C: yes ,
C: but D: So uh
D: also a uh two ?
C: I think uh it's a two .
A: Yep .
D: Is it easy to use ?
A: I'm not sure . I'm not sure .
B: Yeah .
C: D: B: Well yeah ,
B: the voice recognition of course is hard to learn , I think .
B: Well ,
B: hard B: it's not for the for the e for the elderly .
C: Well ,
B: They won't use it .
C: but there are two parts in this remote control .
C: What you see here is is the basic part .
C: Everybody can use it ,
C: so that's easy to use .
A: Yeah .
C: That's for a novice user .
C: When you have a more advanced , elaborate user , well , such a user really would like to explore all these additional functions .
C: So in that in that way it is advanced ,
A: Yeah .
C: and I think it's easy to use for for both uh types of users .
C: So uh B: I think I think a three .
C: It's maybe it's not very uh easy for B: Wouldn't give it more .
A: Uh I'm doubting doubting as well . Um D: Well
D: the p
D: the most important function is easy to use . The the zapping , channel switching , volume .
D: But the more advanced functions are probably a bit harder .
A: Okay . Uh
A: two
A: or three ? Three ?
A: Wha wh what would be your guess ?
A: I mean ease of use um does not only apply to the most basic functions .
C: Okay .
A: It's the uh it's it's overall .
A: Is the device easy to use ?
C: Yeah , that's right . You're right in that ,
C: but I  I guess uh an advanced user will will find the voice recognition function easy to use ,
A: Yeah .
C: because he is already he or she is already an advanced user .
A: Yeah .
C: So C: After all , I think personally I would give a two .
A: Um Okay .
C: But A: Uh Roo , a three ?
B: Yep .
A: Ruud ?
D: Good question .
D: Uh I'll go uh for the two .
A: Okay . D: C: So , it's two , two and three . Two threes .
B: C: So that's ten .
A: So
A: I could make it e easy ?
B: If you make it a four it will be three in general .
C: So that's w
C: No ,
C: two and a half .
B: If he makes it a four . Not a three .
C: Six and four . Six and four is ten .
C: Divided by four is two and a half .
C: So B: Darn .
B: Nee .
D: Hmm ? Huh ?
C: Yes . A: Roo . B: A seven , a three  B: No .
D: Yeah . I yeah .
B: A four and a three together .
C: Four ?
B: Yeah ,
B: you have a two , he has a two . Three ?
D: Yeah ,
D: two , two , three C: Two ?
B: And a three ?
A: No ,
A: I haven't said anything yet .
D: No . B: Nee . I know .
A: Okay ,
A: but if I would say a three , then it's six , and four is ten . Divided by four is two point five .
C: Divided by four .
B: Yes .
B: So if you want to have the conclusion as a three three . Then you would make a four .
B: If you fill out a four   C: That's not even A: But I'm filling in a three .
A: Does it will D: A: so it will be a two point five .
C: But that's not possible to fill in ,
A: Yes , it is .
C: so we have to round it . D: Is it easy to find ? A: I have a veto . A: Exactly .
A: It's not about the content ,
A: it's about A: okay , um
A: is it easy to f
A: Yeah , definitely .
C: Yes .
B: Yeah ,
B: we haven't re uh re uh really worked it out ,
B: but you c you can you can just say find and he repeats find .
C: It it most definitely is it's very easy .
A: Yeah ,
A: or beeps
A: or A: yeah .
B: Yeah ,
B: but that's the that's the the basic idea of the the speaker uh C: Yes .
C: Maybe C: Uh I I think I think A: I'm here , I'm here . C: something like that .
C: Maybe you have to uh programme it once , so to that l respond to uh a certain word or a certain sentence , something like where are you , and then it will sing I'm here . So something like that .
A: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
B: But even without it D: A: Yeah .
C: So ,
A: Well , I uh C: I th
A: we should not uh stay too long on this subject uh because of the time ,
A: but I personally give it a one .
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah , me too .
A: Um Sebastian ?
B: Me too .
D: Yeah , I agree .
A: Right , well .
A: The feel of the remote control is spongy .
D: A: Well , uh
A: it can't be more spongy .
A: So  C: Well ,
C: it can be .
C: There are cases um in which the outside casing is um can be uh how d how do you prono is is moldable .
B: Was it one of our options ?
C: No , it's not one of our option ,
D: No . Uh
A: No okay ,
D: this this was a most spongy option . C: but when you look in the market , when you look B: So , in the in A: but but
A: for the options given , it's the most spongy one .
C: Uh yes ,
C: but that's not that's not uh what they are talking about , I think .
B: Yeah .
C: Because we compare all these uh characteristics characteristics with uh market uh with with the real market .
A: Yeah . Yeah .
C: So
C: there are uh remote controls out there which are a lot more spongy . They're out there . A: They're out there . B: But I think in this case in this case we've done the best we could .
D: C: Yes , but it's not good enough ,
A: Yeah .
C: so it's a two .
A: I'll give it a one .
B:  I wan
B: I'll take one .
C: You take one ?
C: What do you give it ?
D: Well yeah ,
D: it depends ,
D: 'cause it's the most spongy we could A: Yeah , I know ,
A: but you have to name a fig uh a number . D: but D: yeah .
A: Because we need to go on in for the time .
D: Well ,
D: if I give it a one there'll be one hell of a calculation .
B: It will be a one . D: So I'll just give it a two
D: and make this a one point five .
C: No no no .
C: Uh I'll I'll change it ,
C: I'll make it m
C: my my mark will be a four . A: You are B: D: A: okay .
B: A: The remote control offers enough features .
B: A: Well ,
A: Ruud , what what do you think about it ?
D: Well ,
D: the basic layout doesn't offem offer much ,
D: but the voice recognition could add a lot .
D: So C: Basically it's it's completely programmable .
D: Yeah ,
D: depends .
A: Yeah .
C: You can add very m much functionality by uh using the voice recognition mode .
A: Yeah , I know .
C: So it's quite advanced .
A: What what we didn't talk about is um uh B: Yeah ,
B: but it ha doesn't has the digits .
B: I believe it's B: If you uh ask yourself it offers enough features , I don't I don't think it is it has all the features um a normal remote has .
A: I think it has .
D: Uh depends on what you uh implement in the speech feat
A: Yeah .
A: Bec because you can um A: we didn't talk about it ,
A: but you do have uh remote controls that are able to adapt another signal .
C: Yes .
A: So ,
A: you place a a regular uh remote control in front of the other one , hit the one or the two or the three , whatever , and it r records the uh the um  the the signals .
C: Has uh the signals sent to it .
D: Signal .
B: Yeah .
A: So you could uh uh uh enter any comment you like , as long it's able to as long as our device is able to reproduce the infrared signal .
A: So I think th this uh this is uh a a remote control with a very high level of features .
C: Absolutely .
A: Although there are i a few buttons ,
A: but the inside is is quite uh advanced .
C: Yes .
C: But that that's its power , I guess ,
C: because uh a regular programmable uh remote control contains , well , uh really a lot of buttons . At at least uh forty buttons .
A: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: So it's it's quite s complicated to get uh to get used to .
C: And this is quite s simple .
C: You can use your voice to to programme it .
A: Yep .
C: It's A: Yeah .
A: Okay , um
A: let's give it a number .
A: I'll give it uh a one . For for the for this t uh type of market , I think it's a one .
B: I'll give a two .
C: Yeah , I'll give it a one .
D: Um I think think a one ,
D: 'cause v with a voice recognition you could add anything you want ,
D: so that's like um C: Yes .
C: I I've I think we've uh succe succeed in in developing a product that's actually quite good , but not for this kind of market , and not for this kind of price .
B:  C: So A: Yeah .
A: So high quality , low acceptance .
C: Hmm .
A: The product is is is uh b high qua uh has a high quality and and is uh advanced .
C: Yes .
A: But whether or not our clients are are um willing to pay twenty five Euros for this kind of device is doub is well , is not sure .
C: Mm-hmm .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: D do you agree ?
C: Yes , I agree . I D: Maybe even because it doesn't look advanced .
A: Yeah .
D: C: Yeah , okay .
A: Maybe we should have a radar uh function . C: But C: Yes .
B: But we could couldn't uh what
B: what's the selling price ?
B: Fifty ?
A: Twenty five Euros .
B: Uh twenty five .
B: And costs were twelve fifty .
A: Yeah .
B: But even now , if only our production costs w uh were exceeded the double ,
B: Think . Production cost was were t uh was twenty two ?
A: Mm-hmm .
B: So uh B: selling price uh would be uh C: M about fifty Euros .
B: yeah .
C: That's quite ex
B: That's price , but w w
C: well ,
C: it's not it's not very expensive for a remote control that that has this functionality .
B: No .
B: An original remote control of any T_V_ kind , uh a Phillips remote control , y you pay uh C: Yes ,
C: it's more than fifty Euros .
C: It's quite expensive , yes .
B: Yeah ,
B: I kn I know uh from a few years ago , it it it costed hundred Gilders .
A: Bu but well A: yeah , I know ,
A: but you're paying for th for the brand ,
A: because there are uh remote controls which control your stereo , television , D_V_D_ , C_D_ player , for under twenty five Euros .
C: Yes . Yes ,
C: but you can you c
C: Yes ,
C: but you can learn this thing , all these functions .
C: And it's easier to use
A: Yeah .
C: because those uh remote controls don't offer voice recognition
A: .
C: and this one does .
A: Yeah .
C: So I think it's worth its price .
A: Okay .
A: Um you had an overall rating . Um D: Yeah ,
D: but uh with these ratings uh
A: That's counting .
C: Well ,
C: it's it's about one point five . Something like that .
D: should be about one point s seven ,
B: Four six seven eight .
D: yeah .
A: Okay .
B: Nine divided by six .
A: Okay . Um
A: we'll go further on with the the rest of the evaluation . About the project itself , not about the product .
A: Um What did you think about uh the process , the project process ?
A: Ruud ?
D: C: D: A: Try to translate that . C: Well  D: B: B: Hmm . A: Any any other A: Uh , Roo ?
C: Well ,
B: Yeah ,
B: I think uh C: I think D: Ye
A: Roo . C: B: The process was good .
B: But w um we weren't aware of the prices of the costs .
A: Yeah .
B: And and that was the the big deal .
C: Mm .
B: I if we knew that before , we c we could have made
C: Actually ,
C: we had B: the the choice between what A: Better decision .
C: Yes .
B: yeah .
C: We had we had too little information actually .
A: Yeah .
C: So And uh um
C: the the the C: well ,
C: looking at room for creativity , there was w way too the the choice of components was way too narrow .
A: Less .
C: So there was not really a process of uh A: Yeah .
A: So we could we we could be we could've been creative . But um it was tempered by the choice of components and the the price .
C: Well C: Yes .
D: The prices .
C: Well ,
C: in the first meeting we we already were very creative .
C: We we thought of possibilities who are not possible uh with the the current uh offer of uh manufacturing components .
A: Yeah .
C: So A: Yeah .
C: We're tempered by that , yes .
A: Okay ,
A: Roo ? Any other thoughts on that ?
B: No , no .
A: Ruud ?
D: I agree .
A: You agree , okay .
A: Uh leadership .
B: Fantastic . C: D: A: Okay , Roo's on for his promotion . B: D: B: C: Yeah , okay .
A: Okay .
C: I think we're a good team .
A: I think so too ,
A: it's it's it's uh of course a laboratory environment .
A: I missed it um to be able to contact you in between and uh say uh , hey Roo uh . Um C: Yes .
B: Yeah .
D: C: B: C: Well ,
C: I tried once ,
C: but that was not allowed . B: A: Yeah . So um D: A: Yeah ,
A: but but si uh w w w  A: when taken in account the the situation , uh I think we performed pretty well .
C: I think so too .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah . Um
A: the means , the SMARTboard , the digital pen . Did you like 'em ?
C: Uh . The digital pen was okay ,
C: but SMARTboard was really bad .
B: Yeah .
C: It it's A: Because of the response
A: or C: The response is very slow
B: Response
B: and C: and the possibilities are very limited .
C: It's not accurate .
A: Okay .
B: Uh it it has A: Uh B: yeah . Yeah , it's not accurate .
B: The p the pointing of the pen is not um the place where it it writes
B: its um uh where it uh D: Draws .
B: Yeah , where it draws .
B: It's uh B: the drawing on on the b on the board is r right from the pen .
A: Okay , so
A: it it had to be um better aligned , or what's the word ?
B: So uh  B: You to take in account that your you m
A: Uh yeah .
B: yeah uh C: Maybe it's it needs to be calibrateds .
B: It's too slow A: It it was calibrated just before this meeting . Uh the one before , the third meeting .
C: It is ?
C: Okay .
A: So uh it's not the calibration ,
A: it's the thing itself , I think .
B: Hmm .
C: Okay .
A: Uh Ruud , w uh did you use the pen a lot ?
A: Or not at all ?
D: No .
A: Not at all .
D: Not really .
A: Okay .
A: I thought it was quite a handy uh thing ,
C: I I think so too .
A: although I would like to see um O_C_R_ .
C: Yes . Yes .
B: Yep .
B: If it has O_C_R_ , uh I think uh I would use ,
B: but uh I I just uh took notes for myself and and and that's it .
A: Yeah .
B: It w it w
B: yeah .
B: It was necessary for me to uh A: To digitise them .
B: Yeah ,
B: because if I want something on the computer , I just type it .
A: Yeah .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: I type faster than I write .
B: So A: Yeah .
C: But I think it's a great solution for uh for uh a known problem , uh writing down some notes , some some inf uh information , and then um forgetting your notebook somewhere and losing all that information .
A: Yeah .
C: Because you have everything in one place
C: and it's quite easy quite easy C: it's it's possible to make this information digital
C: and share it with others in a quite easy way .
A: Yeah .
C: I think it's a good product .
C: I only think it's th the the shape of the pen is too big .
A: Yeah .
C: It's not quite uh ergonomic . Eco ergonomic .
B: Economic .
A: I know .
B: A: Yeah . Okay . Um A: What w
A: Uh Ruud , what did you think about the SMARTboards ?
D: Oh ,
D: I only use it to draw a rabbit ,
A: Yeah . Okay , you can't really decide . No .
D: so  can't say much about it .
B: A: I missed a feature to easily select uh a slide and uh distribute it to the laptops .
A: I think that would be very easy if you could say okay , I want to use this for my own work or my own presentation further on
A: or C: Yes .
D: No ,
D: or the other way around .
B: Yeah .
A: Or the other way around ,
A: that you could show but m
C: Yes , yes .
C: That's quite what PowerPoint does .
B: But y you can