C: Mm - hmm .
F: and F: And , uh ,
F: I still think we could do a lot of them .
F: I mean , it wouldn't surprise me if we could do a hundred of them or something .
F: But , probably when you include all the combinations , you 're actually talking about a thousand of them or something ,
F: and that 's probably more than we can do .
F: Uh ,
F: but a hundred is a lot .
F: And and , uh , um C: OK .
F: Yeah .
C: Yeah ,
C: and the the second thing was about scratch space .
C: And I think you sent an email about , um , e scratch space for for people to work on .
C: And I know that , uh , Stephane 's working from an NT machine ,
C: so his his home directory exists somewhere else .
F: His his stuff is somewhere else ,
F: yeah .
F: Yeah ,
F: I mean , my point
F: I I want to F: Yeah ,
F: thanks for bring it back to that .
F: My th I want to clarify my point about that that that Chuck repeated in his note .
F: Um .
F: We 're over the next year or two , we 're gonna be upgrading the networks in this place ,
C: Mm - hmm .
F: but right now they 're still all te pretty much all ten megabit lines .
F: And we have reached the this the machines are getting faster and faster .
F: So , it actually has reached the point where it 's a significant drag on the time for something to move the data from one place to another .
C: Mm - hmm .
F: So , you you don't w especially in something with repetitive computation where you 're going over it multiple times , you do don't want to have the the data that you 're working on distant from where it 's being where the computation 's being done if you can help it .
C: Mm - hmm .
F: Uh .
F: Now , we are getting more disk for the central file server ,
F: which , since it 's not a computational server , would seem to be a contradiction to what I just said .
F: But the idea is that , uh , suppose you 're working with , uh , this big bunch of multi multilingual databases .
F: Um ,
F: you put them all in the central ser at the cen central file server .
C: Mm - hmm .
F: Then , when you 're working with something and accessing it many times , you copy the piece of it that you 're working with over to some place that 's close to where the computation is and then do all the work there .
F: And then that way you you won't have the the network you won't be clogging the network for yourself and others .
C: Mmm .
F: That 's the idea .
F: So , uh , it 's gonna take us F: It may be too late for this , uh , p precise crunch we 're in now ,
F: but , uh ,
F: we 're ,
F: uh F: It 's gonna take us a couple weeks at least to get the , uh , uh , the amount of disk we 're gonna be getting . We 're actually gonna get ,
F: uh , I think four more , uh , thirty - six gigabyte drives
F: and , uh , put them on another another disk rack .
F: We ran out of space on the disk rack that we had ,
F: so we 're getting another disk rack and four more drives to share between , uh primarily between this project and the Meetings Meetings Project .
F: Um .
F: But , uh ,
F: we 've put another I guess there 's another eighteen gigabytes that 's that 's in there now to help us with the immediate crunch .
F: But , uh ,
F: are you saying F: So I don't know where you 're F: Stephane , where you 're doing your computations .
F: If i so , you 're on an NT machine ,
F: so you 're using some external machine
G: Yeah ,
G: it ,
G: uh G: Well ,
G: to G: It 's Nutmeg and Mustard , I think ,
F: Do you know these yet ?
G: I don't know what kind .
A: Nuh - uh .
F: Yeah , OK .
F: Uh ,
F: are these are these , uh , computational servers , or something ?
F: I 'm I 've been kind of out of it .
G: Yeah ,
G: I think , yeah .
G: I think so .
G: Mmm .
F: Unfortunately , these days my idea of running comput of computa doing computation is running a spread sheet .
F: So .
G: Mmm .
F: Uh ,
F: haven't been haven't been doing much computing personally ,
F: so .
F: Um .
F: Yeah ,
F: so those are computational servers .
F: So I guess the other question is what disk there i space there is there on the computational servers .
A: Right .
A: Yeah , I 'm not sure what 's available on A: is it A: you said Nutmeg
A: and what was the other one ?
G: Mustard .
A: Mustard .
A: OK .
F: Yeah ,
B: Huh .
F: Well , you 're the you 're the disk czar now .
F: So
A: Right , right .
A: Well , I 'll check on that .
F: Yeah .
F: Yeah , so basically , uh , Chuck will be the one who will be sorting out what disk needs to be where , and so on ,
F: and I 'll be the one who says , " OK , spend the money . "
F: So . Which , I mean , n
F: these days , uh , if you 're talking about scratch space , it doesn't increase the , uh , need for backup ,
F: and , uh , I think it 's not that big a d
F: and the the disks themselves are not that expensive .
F: Right now it 's A: What you can do , when you 're on that machine , is , uh , just go to the slash - scratch directory , and do a DF minus K ,
A: and it 'll tell you if there 's space available .
G: Yeah .
A: Uh , and if there is then , uh F: But wasn't it , uh F: I think Dave was saying that he preferred that people didn't put stuff in slash - scratch .
F: It 's more putting in d s XA or XB or ,
A: Well , there 's different there , um , there 's F: right ?
A: Right .
A: So there 's the slash - X - whatever disks , and then there 's slash - scratch .
A: And both of those two kinds are not backed up .
A: And if it 's called " slash - scratch " , it means it 's probably an internal disk to the machine .
A: Um .
A: And so that 's the kind of thing where , like if um , OK , if you don't have an NT , but you have a a a Unix workstation , and they attach an external disk , <comment> it 'll be called " slash - X - something " uh , if it 's not backed up
A: and it 'll be " slash - D - something " if it is backed up .
A: And if it 's inside the machine on the desk , it 's called " slash - scratch " .
A: But the problem is , if you ever get a new machine , they take your machine away .
A: It 's easy to unhook the external disks ,
A: put them back on the new machine ,
A: but then your slash - scratch is gone .
A: So , you don't wanna put anything in slash - scratch that you wanna keep around for a long period of time .
A: But if it 's a copy of , say , some data that 's on a server , you can put it on slash - scratch
A: because , um , first of all it 's not backed up ,
A: and second it doesn't matter if that machine disappears and you get a new machine
A: because you just recopy it to slash - scratch .
A: So tha that 's why I was saying you could check slash - scratch on those on on , um , Mustard and and Nutmeg to see if if there 's space that you could use there .
F: I see .
A: You could also use slash - X - whatever disks on Mustard and Nutmeg .
G: Yeah , yeah .
A: Um .
A: Yeah ,
A: and we do have A: I mean ,
A: yeah ,
A: so so you A: yeah , it 's better to have things local if you 're gonna run over them lots of times so you don't have to go to the network .
F: Right ,
F: so es so especially if you 're right , if you 're if you 're taking some piece of the training corpus , which usually resides in where Chuck is putting it all on the on the , uh , file server , uh , then , yeah , it 's fine if it 's not backed up
F: because if it g g gets wiped out or something , y I mean it is backed up on the other disk .
F: So ,
A: Mm - hmm .
F: yeah ,
F: OK .
A: Yeah , so , one of the things that I need to I 've started looking at A: Uh , is this the appropriate time to talk about the disk space stuff ?
F: Sure .
A: I 've started looking at , um , disk space .
A: Dan David , um , put a new , um , drive onto Abbott , that 's an X disk ,
A: which means it 's not backed up .
A: So ,
A: um , I 've been going through and copying data that is , you know , some kind of corpus stuff usually , that that we 've got on a CD - ROM or something , onto that new disk to free up space on other disks .
A: And , um , so far , um , I 've copied a couple of Carmen 's , um , databases over there .
A: We haven't deleted them off of the slash - DC disk that they 're on right now in Abbott ,
A: um ,
A: uh , but we I would like to go through sit down with you about some of these other ones and see if we can move them onto , um , this new disk also .
G: Yeah , OK .
A: There 's there 's a lot more space there ,
A: and it 'll free up more space for doing the experiments and things .
A: So , anything that that you don't need backed up , we can put on this new disk .
A: Um , but if it 's experiments and you 're creating files and things that you 're gonna need , you probably wanna have those on a disk that 's backed up , just in case something <comment> goes wrong .
A: So .
A: Um
A: So far I 've I 've copied a couple of things ,
A: but I haven't deleted anything off of the old disk to make room yet .
A: Um ,
A: and I haven't looked at the any of the Aurora stuff ,
A: except for the Spanish .
A: So I I guess I 'll need to get together with you and see what data we can move onto the new disk .
G: Yeah , OK .
F: Um ,
F: yeah ,
F: I I just F: an another question occurred to me is is what were you folks planning to do about normalization ?
G: Um .
G: Well , we were thinking about using this systematically for all the experiments .
G: Um .
F: This being ?
G: So ,
G: but G: Uh .
G: So that this could be another dimension ,
G: but we think perhaps we can use the the best , uh , um , uh , normalization scheme as OGI is using ,
G: so , with parameters that they use there ,
F: Yeah ,