C: Yeah .
B: anyway , it 's an hour and a half per C: Well , that 's probably .
A: So .
B: Well , I can't calculate on my , on my feet .
A: Do the transcribers actually start wi with , uh , transcribing new meetings , or are they ?
B: Well , um they 're still working they still have enough to finish that I haven't assigned a new meeting ,
A: OK .
B: but the next , m m
B: I was about to need to assign a new meeting
B: and I was going to take it from one of the new ones ,
A: OK .
B: and I could easily give them Jerry Feldman 's meeting ,
B: no problem .
B: And , then A: OK .
G: So they 're really running out of , data , prett I mean that 's good .
B: Mm - hmm .
B: Uh , that first set .
G: Um , OK .
C: They 're running out of data unless we s make the decision that we should go over and start , uh , transcribing the other set .
G: So C: There the first the first half .
B: And so I was in the process of like editing them but this is wonderful news .
A: Yeah .
A: OK .
C: Alright .
B: We funded the experiment with , uh B: also we were thinking maybe applying that that to getting the ,
B: Yeah , that 'll be , very useful to getting the overlaps to be more precise all the way through .
C: So this , blends nicely into the update on transcripts .
B: Yes , it does .
C: OK .
B: So , um , <comment> um , Liz , and and Don , and I met this morning , in the BARCO room , with the lecture hall ,
G: Yeah , please .
G: Go ahead .
G: And this afternoon .
B: and this afternoon ,
B: it drifted into the afternoon , <comment> uh , concerning this issue of , um , the , well there 's basically the issue of the interplay between the transcript format and the processing that , they need to do for , the SRI recognizer .
B: And , um , well , so , I mentioned the process that I 'm going through with the data ,
B: so , you know , I get the data back from the transcri Well , s uh , metaphorically , get the data back from the transcriber ,
B: and then I , check for simple things like spelling errors and things like that .
B: And , um , I 'm going to be doing a more thorough editing , with respect to consistency of the conventions .
B: But they 're they 're generally very good .
B: And , then , I run it through , uh , the channelize program to get it into the multi - channel format , OK .
B: And the , what we discussed this morning , I would summarize as saying that , um , these units that result , in a a particular channel and a particular timeband , at at that level , um , vary in length .
B: And , um , <nonvocalsound> their recognizer would prefer that the units not be overly long .
B: But it 's really an empirical question , whether the units we get at this point through , just that process I described might be sufficient for them .
B: So , as a first pass through , a first chance without having to do a lot of hand - editing , what we 're gonna do , is , I 'll run it through channelize , give them those data after I 've done the editing process and be sure it 's clean .
B: And I can do that , pretty quickly , with just , that minimal editing , without having to hand - break things .
C: Mm - hmm .
B: And then we 'll see if the units that we 're getting , uh , with the at that level , are sufficient .
B: And maybe they don't need to be further broken down .
B: And if they do need to be further broken down then maybe it just be piece - wise , maybe it won't be the whole thing .
B: So , that 's that 's what we were discussing , this morning as far as I Among G: Right .
B: also we discussed some adaptational things ,
G: Then lots of G: Right .
B: so it 's like ,
B: uh You know I hadn't , uh , incorporated , a convention explicitly to handle acronyms , for example ,
B: but if someone says , PZM it would be nice to have that be directly interpretable from , the transcript what they said ,
C: Mm - hmm .
B: or Pi - uh Tcl TCL I mean .
B: It 's like
B: y it 's and so , um , I 've I 've incorporated also convention , with that
B: but that 's easy to handle at the post editing phase ,
B: and I 'll mention it to , transcribers for the next phase
B: but that 's OK .
B: And then , a similar conv uh , convention for numbers .
B: So if they say one - eighty - three versus one eight three .
B: Um , and also I 'll be , um , encoding , as I do my post - editing , the , things that are in curly brackets , which are clarificational material .
B: And eh to incorporate , uh , keyword , at the beginning .
B: So , it 's gonna be either a gloss or it 's gonna be a vocal sound like a , laugh or a cough , or , so forth .
B: Or a non - vocal sound like a doors door - slam , and that can be easily done with a , you know , just a one little additional thing in the , in the general format .
G: Yeah we j we just needed a way to , strip , you know , all the comments , all the things th the that linguist wants but the recognizer can't do anything with .
G: Um , but to keep things that we mapped to like reject models , or , you know , uh , mouth noise , or , cough .
G: And then there 's this interesting issue Jane brought up
G: which I hadn't thought about before
G: but I was , realizing as I went through the transcripts , that there are some noises like ,
G: um ,
G: well the good example was an inbreath , where a transcriber working from , the mixed , signal , doesn't know whose breath it is ,
F: Right .
G: and they 've been assigning it to someone that may or may not be correct .
G: And what we do is , if it 's a breath sound , you know , a sound from the speaker , we map it , to , a noise model , like a mouth - noise model in the recognizer ,
G: and , yeah , it probably doesn't hurt that much once in a while to have these ,
G: but , if they 're in the wrong channel , that 's , not a good idea .
G: And then there 's also , things like door - slams that 's really in no one 's channel ,
G: they 're like it 's in the room .
F: Right .
A: Yeah .
G: And uh , Jane had this nice , uh , idea of having , like an extra , uh couple tiers ,
F: An extra channel .
B: Yeah .
G: yeah .
B: I 've been I 've been adding that to the ones I 've been editing .
G: And we were thinking , that is useful also when there 's uncertainties .
G: So if they hear a breath and they don't know who breath it is it 's better to put it in that channel than to put it in the speaker 's channel
G: because maybe it was someone else 's breath ,
G: or Uh ,
G: so I think that 's a good you can always clean that up , post - processing .
B: Yeah .
G: So a lot of little details ,
G: but I think we 're , coming to some kinda closure , on that .
G: So the idea is then , uh , Don can take , uh , Jane 's post - processed channelized version , and , with some scripts , you know , convert that to to a reference for the recognizer
G: and we can , can run these .
G: So when that 's , ready you know , as soon as that 's ready , and as soon as the recognizer is here we can get , twelve hours of force - aligned and recognized data .
G: And , you know , start , working on it ,
B: And G: so we 're , I dunno a coup a week or two away I would say from ,
G: uh , if if that process is automatic once we get your post - process , transcript .
B: Mm - hmm .
B: And that doesn't the amount of editing that it would require is not very much either .
B: I 'm just hoping that the units that are provided in that way , <nonvocalsound> will be sufficient
B: cuz I would save a lot of , uh , time , dividing things .
G: Yeah , some of them are quite long .
G: Just from G: I dunno
G: how long were G: you did one ?
E: I saw a couple , around twenty seconds ,
E: and that was just without looking too hard for it ,
E: so , I would imagine that there might be some that are longer .
G: Right .
B: Well n
B: One question ,
B: e w would that be a single speaker or is that multiple speakers overlapping ?
E: No . No , but if we 're gonna segment it ,
E: like if there 's one speaker in there , that says " OK " or something , right in the middle , it 's gonna have a lot of dead time around it ,
G: Right . It 's not the it 's not the fact that we can't process a twenty second segment , it 's the fact that , there 's twenty seconds in which to place one word in the wrong place
E: so it 's not E: Yeah .
G: You know , if if someone has a very short utterance there ,
B: Yeah .
G: and that 's where , we , might wanna have this individual , you know , ha have your pre pre - process input .
A: Yep .
A: Yeah .
A: Sure .
G: And I just don't know ,
A: I I I thought that perhaps the transcribers could start then from the those mult multi - channel , uh , speech - nonspeech detections , if they would like to .
B: That 's very important .
G: I have to run it .
G: Right .
B: In in doing the hand - marking ?
A: Yeah .
B: Yeah that 's what I was thinking , too .
G: Right .
G: So that 's probably what will happen ,
B: Yeah .
G: but we 'll try it this way and see .
A: Yeah .
G: I mean it 's probably good enough for force - alignment .
G: If it 's not then we 're really then we def definitely
A: Yeah .
G: uh , but for free recognition I 'm it 'll probably not be good enough .
G: We 'll probably get lots of errors because of the cross - talk , and , noises and things .
A: Yep .
C: Good
C: s I think that 's probably our agenda , or starting up there .
B: Oh I wanted to ask one thing ,
C: Yeah ? K .
B: the microphones the new microphones ,
B: when do we get , uh ?
F: Uh , they said it would take about a week .
B: Oh , exciting . K .
B: K .
C: K .
D: You ordered them already ?
F: Mm - hmm .
D: Great .
G: So what happens to our old microphones ?
C: They go where old microphones go .
F: Um G: Do we give them to someone ,
G: or ?
F: Well the only thing we 're gonna have extra , for now ,
G: We don't have more receivers ,
G: we just have F: Right , we don
G: Right .
F: so the only thing we 'll have extra now is just the lapel .
F: Not not the , bodypack ,
F: just the lapel .
G: Just the lapel itself .
F: Um , and then one of the one of those .
F: Since , what I decided to do , on Morgan 's suggestion , was just get two , new microphones , um , and try them out .
G: Mm - hmm .
F: And then , if we like them we 'll get more .
G: OK .
C: Yeah .
F: Since they 're they 're like two hundred bucks a piece ,
F: we won't , uh , at least try them out .
D: So it 's a replacement for this headset mike ?
F: Yep . Yep .
C: Yeah .
F: And they 're gonna do the wiring for us .
D: What 's the , um , style of the headset ?
F: It 's , um , it 's by Crown ,
F: and it 's one of these sort of mount around the ear thingies ,
F: and , uh , when I s when I mentioned that we thought it was uncomfortable he said it was a common problem with the Sony .
F: And this is how apparently a lot of people are getting around it .
D: Hmm .
F: And I checked on the web , and every site I went to , raved about this particular mike .
F: It 's apparently comfortable and stays on the head well ,
F: so we 'll see if it 's any good .
F: But , uh , I think it 's promising .
B: You said it was used by aerobics instructors ?
F: Yep . Yep , so it was it was advertised for performers
E: Hmm .
B: That says a lot .
C: For the recor for the record Adam is not a paid employee or a consultant of Crown .
F: and F: Excuse me ?
B: Oh .
F: Excuse me ?
G: Right .
C: I said " For the record Adam is is not a paid consultant or employee of Crown " .
F: That 's right .
G: However , he may be solicited after these meetings are distributed .
F: Well we 're using the Crown P Z
G: Don't worry about finishing your dissertation .
C: Yeah .
F: These are Crown
F: aren't they ?
F: The P Z Ms are Crown ,
C: Right .
F: aren't they ?
C: Yeah .
F: Yeah , I thought they were .
C: You bet . You bet .
F: And they work very well .
G: Yes .
C: So if we go to a workshop about all this this it 's gonna be a meeting about meetings about meetings .
C: OK .
C: So .
F: And then it we have to go to the planning session for that workshop .
C: Oh , yeah , what Which 'll be the meeting about the meeting about the meeting .
D: Oh , god .
F: Cuz then it would be a meeting about the meeting about the meeting about meetings .
C: Yeah ?
C: Just start saying " M four " .
C: Yeah , OK .
F: Yeah .
F: M to the fourth .
C: Should we do the digits ?
F: Yep , go for it .
C: OK .
A: S s
F: Pause between the lines , remember ?
E: Excuse me .
F: OK .
C: OK .
G: Huh .