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A: Yeah .
H: I just wanted to be sure .
A: And then the other thing might be , um , uh , technical versus administrative .
A: Cuz if I recorded some administrative meetings then that may have less overlap ,
A: because you might have more overlap when you 're doing something technical and disagreeing or whatever .
H: Mm - hmm .
H: Mm - hmm .
H: Well , I just as as as a contributary H: eh , so I I know that in l in legal depositions people are pr are prevented from overlapping .
H: They 'll just say , you know you know , " wait till each person is finished before you say something " .
H: So it is possible to lessen if we wanted to .
H: But but these other factors are fine .
H: I just wanted to raise the issue .
A: Well , the reason why I didn't want to is be why I personally didn't want to <comment> is because I wanted it to be as , uh , unintrusive as possi
H: Mm - hmm .
H: Mm - hmm .
A: as you could be with these things hanging on you .
H: Oh , yeah .
H: Yeah , I think that 's always desired .
H: I just want to be sure we don't that we 're able to process , i u uh , you know , as much data as we can .
H: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
D: Did they discuss any of that in the the meeting they had with L Liberman ?
D: What B: Mm - hmm .
D: What what do they B: And there was a big division ,
B: so Liberman and others were interested in a lot of found data .
D: Yeah .
B: So there 's lots of recordings that D: Yeah .
B: They 're not close - talk mike ,
B: but B: And and there 's lots of television , you know , stuff on , um , political debates and things like that ,
B: congre congressional hearings .
B: Boring stuff like that .
B: Um ,
B: and then the CMU folks and I were sort of on the other side in B: cuz they had collected a lot of meetings that were sort of like this
B: and said that those are nothing like these meetings .
B: Um , so there 're really two different kinds of data .
B: And , I guess we just left it as @ @ <comment> that if there 's found data that can be transformed for use in speech recognition easily , then of course we would do it ,
D: Mm - hmm .
B: but newly collected data would would be natural meetings .
D: Actually , th @ @ <comment> the CMU folk have collected a lot of data .
B: So .
D: Is that is that going to be publicly available ,
B: As far as I know , they h have not .
D: or ?
D: OK .
B: Um , but e
G: It 's also it 's not it 's not near - far , right ?
B: I 'm not sure .
B: Um ,
B: if people were interested they could talk to them ,
B: but I I got the feeling there was some politics involved .
G: I think @ @ gonna add that to one of my action items .
B: No .
D: Just to check .
D: Yeah . W we should know what 's out there certainly .
B: I I don't know .
G: Yeah .
B: I mean , the D: Yeah .
G: Cuz I had thought they 'd only done far - field ,
B: I think you need to talk to Waibel
B: and G: intelligent - room sorts of things .
E: Oh , really ?
E: It 's those guys .
G: I hadn't known that then they 'd done any more than that .
D: Oh , they only did the far - field ?
G: Yeah .
D: I see .
B: But they had multiple mikes
B: and they did do recognition ,
B: and they did do real conversations .
B: But as far as I know they didn't offer that data to the community at this meeting .
G: Mm - hmm .
B: But that could change
B: cuz Mark you know , Mark 's really into this .
B: We should keep in touch with him .
D: Yeah .
H: Yeah , I think D: Well , once we send out D: I mean , we still haven't sent out the first note saying " hey , this list exists " .
D: But but , uh , once we do that A: Is that an action item ?
D: Yeah . It 's on I already added that one on my board to do that .
D: So , uh D: uh ,
D: hopefully everybody here is on that list .
D: We should at least check that everybody here ?
G: I think everyone here is on the list .
D: Yeah .
F: I 'm not .
H: u e e
G: I think you are .
D: We haven't sent anything to the list yet .
F: Oh !
H: Yeah .
F: OK .
D: We 're just compiling the list .
F: I see .
G: I I added a few people who didn't who I knew had to be on it even though they didn't tell me .
E: Who specifically ask not to be .
G: Like Jane , for example .
D: Mm - hmm .
D: Yeah .
G: You are on it , aren't you ?
H: Yeah , I am .
D: Yeah .
H: So , I w uh , just just for clarification .
H: So " found data " ,
H: they mean like established corpora of linguistics and and other fields , right ?
B: What they mean is stuff they don't have to fund to collect ,
H: It sounds like such a t
B: and especially good H: Yeah , OK .
B: Well , I mean , " found " has , uh , also the meaning that 's it very natural .
B: It 's things occur without any B: You know , the pe these people weren't wearing close - talking mikes ,
B: but they were recorded anyway , like the congressional hearings and , you know , for legal purposes or whatever .
H: OK .
H: But it includes like standard corpora that have been used for years in linguistics and other fields .
B: Mark 's aware of those , too .
E: " Hey , look what we found ! "
H: OK .
B: That would be found data
G: Hmm .
H: Exactly .
B: because they found it and it exists .
E: " I found this great corpora . "
E: Yeah .
B: They didn't have to collect it .
G: " Psst . <comment> Want to buy a corpora ? "
B: Of course it 's not " found " in the sense that at the time it was collected for the purpose .
H: Yeah . OK , OK .
B: But what he means is that You know , Mark was really a fan of getting as much data as possible from you know , reams and reams of stuff , of broadcast stuff ,
H: That 's interesting .
B: web stuff ,
H: Mm - hmm .
B: TV stuff ,
B: radio stuff .
B: But he well understands that that 's very different than these this type of meeting .
G: It 's not the same .
B: But , so what ?
B: It 's still it 's interesting for other reasons .
H: OK .
H: Yeah .
H: Just wanted to know .
D: So , seems like we 're winding down .
D: Right ?
A: Mm - hmm .
D: Many ways .
E: So we should go go around and s
B: You can tell by the prosody .
A: Yeah .
E: We should go around and say something interesting that happened at the meeting ?
A: Oh .
A: Yes , we should do that .
B: Rrrh !
G: Now , I was already thinking about it ,
G: so D: Oh ! Good man .
B: This is painful task .
C: Hmm .
G: So , um ,
B: I G: I really liked the idea of G: what I thought was interesting was the combination of the CrossPad and the speech .
G: Especially , um , the interaction of them rather than just note - taking .
G: So , can you determine the interesting points by who 's writing ?
G: Can you do special gestures and so on that that have , uh , special meaning to the corpora ?
G: I really liked that .
H: Well , I I just realized there 's another category of interesting things
H: which is that , um ,
H: I I found this discussion very , uh , i this this question of how you get at queries really interesting .
H: And and the and I and the fact that it 's sort of , uh , nebulous , what what that what kind of query it would be
H: because it depends on what your purpose is .
H: So I actually found that whole process of of trying to think of what that would involve to be interesting .
H: But that 's not really a specific fact .
H: I just sort of thought we we went around a nice discussion of the factors involved there ,
H: which I thought was worthwhile .
E: I had a real revelation about taking pictures .
E: I don't know why
E: I didn't do this before and I regret it .
E: So that was very interesting for me .
H: Mm - hmm .
G: Did you take pictures of the boards ?
H: Yeah .
E: Not that I E: The boards aren't really related to this meeting .
E: I mean , I will take pictures of them ,
E: but H: That 's a good point .
A: They 're related to this morning 's meeting .
E: But H: Yeah .
G: To the pre previous meeting . That 's right .
E: OK .
E: Well , that 's why I 'll take pictures of them , then .
F: I 'm gonna pass
F: because I can't F: I mean , of the Jane took my answer .
G: Ah !
H: Oh .
F: So .
F: Um ,
F: so I 'm gonna pass for the moment
F: but y come come back to me .
E: For the moment .
B: Pass .
A: I think I think " pass " is socially acceptable .
A: But I will say uh , I will actually A: uh , a spin on different slightly different spin on what you said ,
A: this issue of , uh , realizing that we could take minutes ,
A: and that actually may be a goal .
A: So that that may be kind of the test in a sense , test data ,
A: uh , the the template of what we want to test against , generating a summary .
A: So that 's an interesting new twist on what we can do with this data .
C: I agree with Jane and Eric .
C: I think the question of how to generate queries automatically was the most interesting question that came up ,
C: and it 's something that , as you said , is a whole research topic in itself ,
C: so I don't think we 'll be able to do anything on it
C: because we don't have funding on it , uh , in this project .
C: But , um , it 's definitely something I would want to do something on .
G: I wonder if work 's already been done on it .
H: Like e expert systems and stuff ,
H: or ?
D: Hmm .
H: Uh - huh .
D: Well , being more management lately than  than research , I think the thing that impressed me most was the people dynamics
D: and not any of the facts .
D: That is , I I really enjoyed hanging out with this group of people today .
D: So that 's what really impressed me .
E: How are we gonna find that in the data ?
G: Well , if we had people wearing the wireless mikes all the time E: Oh , yeah .
G: Yeah , I think F: Well , I mean , one thing you could search for is were people laughing a lot .
F: Right ?
E: Right .
F: So .
E: How happy were they ?
D: Yeah .
D: I 'd probably search for something like that .
G: That actually has come up a couple times in queries .
G: I was talking to Landay
G: and that was one of his examples .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
G: When when did people laugh ?
E: That 's great .
D: Find me a funny thing that Jeff said .
G: So we need a laugh detector .
D: Yeah .
E: Yeah .
A: Mm - hmm .
H: Yeah .
E: Perfect .
G: Cuz that seems to be pretty common .
G: Not in the congressional hearings .
F: No .
G: Quiet sobbing .
D: So I think we 're done .
E: OK .
A: OK .
G: I think we 're done .
F: OK .
E: Great .
A: Great .
D: Great .
H: h Do we need do I need to turn something off here , or I do unplug this , or ?
D: Now these we turn off .
D: Right ?