A: It 's nice to actually measure it though .
G: Yeah .
D: I wonder about the cause and effect there .
D: In other words uh if you weren't going to pause you you will because you 're g being interrupted .
G: Well we 're ne
D: Uh G: Right .
G: There 's no statement about cause and effect .
D: Yeah ,
G: This is just a statistical correlation ,
D: right .
D: No , no , no .
D: Right ,
D: I I see .
G: yeah .
D: Yeah .
F: But he yeah , he 's he 's right ,
F: y I mean maybe
F: you weren't intending to pause at all ,
F: but  You were intending to stop for fifty - seven milliseconds ,
G: Right .
G: Right .
F: but then Chuck came in
F: and so you paused for a second
D: Yeah .
G: Right .
G: Anyway . <comment> So ,
F: or more .
G: uh , and that was basically it .
G: And and we so we wrote this
G: and then , we found we were at six pages ,
G: and then we started cutting furiously
B: Oops .
G: and threw out half of the material again ,
G: and uh played with the LaTeX stuff
G: and G: uh ,
G: and until it fi
A: Made the font smaller and the narrows longer .
B: Font smaller ,
B: yeah .
G: No , no .
G: W well , d you couldn't really make everything smaller
G: but we s we put B: Put the abstract end .
G: Oh , I I G: you know the the gap between the two columns is like ten millimeters ,
A: Took out white space .
B: Yeah .
G: so I d shrunk it to eight millimeters
G: and that helped some . And stuff like that .
D: Wasn't there wasn't there some result , Andreas F: Yeah D: I I thought maybe Liz presented this at some conference a while ago about uh , backchannels
G: Mm - hmm .
G: Mm - hmm .
D: uh ,
D: and that they tend to happen when uh the pitch drops .
D: You know you get a falling pitch .
G: Yeah .
D: And so that 's when people tend to backchannel .
G: Well D: Uh - i i do you rem
G: y We didn't talk about , uh , prosodic , uh , properties at all ,
D: Right . Right .
G: although that 's I I take it that 's something that uh Don will will look at
D: But G: now that we have the data and we have the alignment ,
E: Yeah , we 're gonna be looking at that .
G: so .
G: This is purely based on you know the words
G: and D: Mm - hmm .
C: I have a reference for that though .
D: Oh you do .
G: Yeah .
C: Uh - huh .
D: So am I recalling correctly ?
G: Anyway , so .
D: About C: Well , I didn't know about Liz 's finding on that ,
D: Uh - huh .
C: but I know of another paper that talks about something
D: Hmm .
C: that E: I 'd like to see that reference too .
D: It made me think about a cool little device that could be built
C: OK .
D: to
D: uh D: to handle those people that call you on the phone and just like to talk and talk and talk .
D: And you just have this little detector that listens for these drops in pitch and gives them the backchannel .
D: And so then you hook that to the phone and go off
A: Yeah .
D: and do the  do whatever you r wanna do ,
A: Uh - huh .
G: Oh yeah .
G: Well D: while that thing keeps them busy .
G: There 's actually uh there 's this a former student of here from Berkeley ,
G: Nigel Nigel Ward .
G: Do you know him ?
D: Uh - huh .
D: Sure .
D: Yeah .
G: He did a system uh , in G: he he lives in Japan now ,
G: and he did this backchanneling , automatic backchanneling system .
F: Right .
G: It 's a very D: Oh !
G: So , exactly what you describe ,
G: but for Japanese .
D: Huh .
G: And it 's apparently for Japa - in Japanese it 's really important that you backchannel .
G: It 's really impolite if you don't ,
G: and G: So .
F: Huh .
F: Actually for a lot of these people I think you could just sort of backchannel continuously
F: and it would pretty much be fine .
D: It wouldn't matter ?
E: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
E: That 's w That 's what I do .
D: Random intervals .
A: There was there was of course a Monty Python sketch with that .
A: Where the barber who was afraid of scissors was playing a a tape of clipping sounds , and saying " uh - huh " ,
A: " yeah " ,
A: " how about them sports teams ? "
G: Anyway .
G: So the paper 's on - line
G: and
G: y I I think I uh I CC ' ed a message to Meeting Recorder with the URL
G: so you can get it .
A: Yep .
F: Yeah .
A: Printed it out ,
G: Um , uh one more thing .
A: haven't read it yet .
F: Yeah .
G: So I I 'm actually  about to send Brian Kingbury an email saying where he can find the the s the m the material he wanted for the s for the speech recognition experiment ,
G: so G: but I haven't sent it out yet
G: because actually my desktop locked up ,
G: like I can't type anything .
G: Uh
G: b so if there 's any suggestions you have for that I was just gonna send him the D: Is it the same directory that you had suggested ?
G: I made a directory .
G: I called it
G: um G: Well this isn't C: He still has his Unix account here , you know .
G: He does ?
C: Yeah .
G: Yeah
C: And he and he 's G: but but but he has to C: I 'd hafta add him to Meeting Recorder , I guess ,
G: he prefe he said he would prefer FTP
C: but C: OK .
G: and also , um , the other person that wants it There is one person at SRI who wants to look at the um , you know , the uh the data we have so far ,
C: OK .
G: and so I figured that FTP is the best approach .
G: So what I did is I um   @ @ <comment> I made a n new directory
G: after Chuck said that would c that was gonna be a good thing .
G: Uh , so it 's " FTP  pub
A: Pub real .
G: real " G: Exactly .
G: MTGC G: What is it again ?
G: CR F: u R D RDR ,
A: Ask Dan Ellis .
G: Or F: yeah .
G: Yeah .
G: Right ?
G: The same the same as the mailing list ,
G: and F: Yeah ,
G: Yeah .
F: the  No vowels .
G: Um ,
G: and then under there F: Yeah
G: Um actually Oh and this directory , is not readable .
G: It 's only uh , accessible .
G: So , in other words , to access anything under there , you have to be told what the name is .
G: So that 's sort of a g quick and dirty way of doing access control .
A: Right .
F: Mm - hmm .
G: So G: uh , and the directory for this I call it I " ASR zero point one "
G: because it 's sort of meant for recognition .
F: So anyone who hears this meeting now knows the A: Beta ?
G: And then then in there I have a file that lists all the other files ,
G: so that someone can get that file and then know the file names and therefore download them .
G: If you don't know the file names you can't F: Is that a dash or a dot in there ?
G: I mean you can A: Don't don't don't say .
G: Dash .
G: Anyway .
G: So all I all I was gonna do there was stick the the transcripts after we the way that we munged them for scoring ,
G: because that 's what he cares about ,
G: and G: um ,
G: and also and then the the waveforms that Don segmented .
G: I mean , just basically tar them all up f I mean w for each meeting I tar them all into one tar file and G - zip them and stick them there .
A: I uh , put digits in my own home directory home FTP directory ,
G: And so .
A: but I 'll probably move them there as well .
G: Oh , OK .
G: OK .
D: So we could point Mari to this also for her March O - one request ?
G: Yeah .
G: March O - one .
G: Oh !
D: Or D: You n Remember she was G: Oh she wanted that also ?
D: Well she was saying that it would be nice if we had they had a D: Or was she talking D: Yeah .
D: She was saying it would be nice if they had eh the same set ,
D: so that when they did experiments they could compare .
G: Right ,
G: but they don't have a recognizer even .
D: Yeah .
E: Um G: But yeah ,
E: I
G: we can send I can CC Mari on this so that she knows D: Yeah .
D: So , for the thing that C: That 's good .
D: We need to give Brian the beeps file ,
G: Right .
D: so I was gonna probably put it A: We can put it in the same place .
D: Yeah , it
A: Just put in another directory .