C: And if it 's not in there yet well , it could be a suggestion
C: and then the hardware people will make it part u like the ETSI or whatever where U wherever UMTS is standardized they will d well , go for it .
D: Mm - hmm .
C: Of course , yeah , this this group could do that , too .
C: Could be ,
C: but
B: I have a an important doubt about the IP availability over UMTS .
B: I mean you know that the carriers and some manufacturers have done an important effort in developing this web thing
B: and uh I 'm not sure what they plan to do with next generation .
B: I mean , are they maintaining are they holding the same web technology ?
B: Or , are ju just they discarding this technology
B: and forgetting about the thing ?
B: I I don't know what will happen .
B: uh , I I don't have a clue .
B: Probably , if after searching a little bit on the on the net I can get the answer ,
B: but initially this is something to to to have in mind .
B: I mean . Because maybe this UMTS thing will appear on the market without IP as a native protocol .
B: And if this is the case well , thus seamless integration could be we strongly affected .
B: At least , uh , if you we want to use U M
B: I 'm I 'm just uh throwing the question .
B: uh I mean , looking for an answer
B: because I don't know if uh some of you have a clue about this .
B: I don't know what what carriers are planning to do about this .
C: I 'm not really sure ,
C: but I thought I I had the impression that we can throw away our Nokia stuff when our web gateways , when we g even go to GPRS ,
C: so
C: let alone UMTS .
D: Now , WAP is ja not only related now to available bandwidth .
C: That 's the impression I get .
D: That 's not the only thing .
D: It 's only the adaptation towards the capabilities of the end device .
D: Right ?
C: Yeah , definitely .
D: So .
D: uh I never was a friend C: But but still a le d it 's a it 's a fundamental
D: Huh .
D: Yeah .
C: uh it 's a part of a of design like the the C: the terminal has a WAP stick .
C: And there 's a box that has also a a WAP stick .
D: So yeah .
C: And they do sometime most cases , they do share an IP address .
C: But doesn't uh have to deal with IP at all .
C: It 's l just a thirty - bit number
B: Mm - hmm .
C: that a actually is an assigned number .
C: But it 's all only used for identification .
C: That 's the only thing .
C: It 's stored in a WAP cookie ,
C: much like HTP
C: in a cookie and from the WAP gateway
C: then it will be HTP real HTP or something .
C: So it 's it 's really a different uh type of connection .
C: It looks a little bit like uh the the well , WML looks a little bit like HTML ,
C: but that 's all what 's uh C: It 's not IP at all .
D: Right .
C: Because there is a gateway , you can access with almost the same microbrowser ,
C: the same i uh web servers .
C: If they provide the right content uh , spit out the right uh WML language .
C: So it 's it 's really a different network technology I think .
D: Yeah .
D: It 's transparent , in principle , what you can carry ,
D: but D: Anyway , you have the gateway .
D: It must be uh The ca uh c uh t conversion of the media
C: Yeah .
C: But @ @
D: of the contents , in principle .
D: But , I don't see that uh D: It 's too late , I believe .
D: If WAP was available in the beginning of GSM , then I think it was there would be a good chance that it is well - deployed .
B: Mm - hmm .
D: But now , the first generation of web - browsers are in the ha and and uh I would say " handies " ,
C: I i
D: so that 's wrong  in the mobile phones ,
D: but the the next generation of networks are still available .
D: and the ba uh the bandwidth constraints are no more applicable ?
C: Well C: Ri - right now there is still a lot of WAP , actually .
D: And C: So that the B: Mm - hmm .
D: Yeah , but The hype
D: but
D: pffft
D: uh
C: Well , users usage .
D: I never saw a user using WAP .
D: Please raise your hand , who is using WAP .
C: My colleagues are .
D: Yeah ?
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah , they are using WAP .
D: Yeah ?
D: OK , one of six .
D: So .
E: I don't have a mobile phone .
C: Yeah .
D: Oh .
C: i
A: Who is using mobile phones ?
C: Bu - well , you don't have a mobile phone in in the USA here .