Industrial Designer: Alright . So  Uh . The case uh le that's what I wrote first of all , could be plastic our plastic . Uh but later on we found out that um it can be rubber as well , or titanium or even wood . So uh we decide what it's gonna be . Probably plastic . Uh we need the infra-red transmitter . Get that off the shelf . Uh joystick we'll probably if we're gonna use it , um could be plastic w or rubber even as well . Um if you go on to the next slide . Uh  If you go on to f uh findings , it's like two or three slides down .
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Right . So , this is what I found we can use . Uh three different types of batteries . Um can either use a hand dynamo , or the kinetic type ones , you know that they use in watches , or else uh a solar powered one .
Project Manager: Okay . Now ,
Industrial Designer: Um .
Project Manager: the kinetic one , we've 'cause that's the ones where like you the movement causes it .
Marketing: Cost is Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Um the bat uh the battery for a a watch wouldn't require a lot of power , would be my one query .
User Interface: Mm .
Project Manager: Is a kinetic one going to be able to supply enough power ?
User Interface: There's also a watch moves around a great deal more .
Project Manager: Do you think ?
Industrial Designer: Uh .
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: W
Industrial Designer: Yeah , I don't think it would . Um . And solar cells , I dunno about that .
Marketing: yeah .
Industrial Designer: Uh . We should probably just use conventional batteries . Um , just like in usual remote controls .
Project Manager: Which I suppose as well would allow us to go off the shelf again , you'd say ?
Industrial Designer: Um . Yeah . Um . And these are three different types of or two different types three different types of shapes you can have . Uh one is a flat one , and then more original ones are single curved one or one with a double curved . Um the materials are tha there as you can see , but uh you can't have a titanium one for a double curved ,
Project Manager: Marketing: Titanium , the really strong metal , titanium ?
Industrial Designer: uh which would be Yeah ,
Marketing: Is it not also it's expensive ?
Industrial Designer: and light . Uh , i think so as well , yeah .
Project Manager: Um . Um .
Industrial Designer: They make mountain bikes out of that , don't they . So it's really light as well .
Project Manager: Curious . Um , I don't know if you'd be able to off the top of your head or not , the single curved and double curved , would you be able to give an example ?
Industrial Designer: Um . T yeah .
Project Manager: Um could you maybe draw something ? I you don't doesn't have to be perfect , it's just 'cause I'm not quite sure if I understand the difference between the two .
Industrial Designer: Uh . Well for a curved , well I was thinking to f for to sit in your the palm of your hand . Uh maybe like this , with the uh joy pad here . Joystick here . And maybe um an okay button around here , so that the thumb can uh use it quite easily . Um I don't exactly  Double curved . It probably means this is probably double curved . Uh whereas a single curved would be like that . I guess . Or not necessarily .
Project Manager: So it might literally just be Marketing: Two curves .
Project Manager: okay .
Industrial Designer: Yeah like that . Whereas this is two curves . Um so I guess that's what they mean by uh double curve .
Project Manager: Alright .
Industrial Designer: Um which obviously it looks better than the single curve , but uh you can't have it in titanium , which is uh a nice material . Uh
Project Manager: Mm .
Industrial Designer: and for the buttons , um it can have the scroll wheel which they use in mouses for com P_C_s . Uh but um it requires a more expensive chip to use , and if you wanna use L_C_D_ it's even more expensive . So you have to decide , there's trade-offs there . Um if you want the buttons to be oh yeah , if you have a double curve uh control and it's rubber , then you have these rubber buttons as well . But you're gonna ha I reckon you're gonna have to have uh key a number keypad anyway for the amount of channels these days . You wouldn't want to just have to scroll through all the channels to get to the one you want . You wanna enter just the number of it , if you know it . So um I reckon we're gonna have to have a number keypad anyway . Do you think ?
Project Manager: Okay , that was definitely something we can talk about . Um so you've got a little bit about the the chip that we might require as well ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah . So , depends where gonna spend the money if you want the f fancy L_C_D_ display .
Project Manager: Um , do you have any idea so far , like when we're saying that we'd need an advanced chip for an L_C_D_ , does that in shoot the cost up by a drastic amount ? Or ?
Marketing: Need an advanced chip for the L_C_D_ . Is that did I Project Manager: Well I think compared to say just pressing buttons .
Industrial Designer: Yep .
Marketing: Advanced , like three eight six advance .
Project Manager: if you press a button that sends a certain transmission through the infra-red , whereas I think if we're controlling the L_C_D_ we definitely require a much more powerful chip . Just compared to the chip you would use for pushing buttons I think is the the point being made .
Marketing: Okay . Okay , sure .
User Interface: Mm .
Project Manager: If I've not over-stepped . Yeah ?
Industrial Designer: Yeah i
Project Manager: Okay , um should I go on , or go back ?
Industrial Designer: Um  Marketing: Mm , if we only have twelve Pounds fifty , twelve Euros , not even twelve Pounds . Twelve Euros , what's that , like eight pounds or something like that , nine Pounds ?
Project Manager: Well we'd also be relying on the um the bulk buying in producement and such . I assume .
Marketing: Okay , that's good point .
Project Manager: We have to look into the costs of those . So , sorry .
Industrial Designer: Uh the previous slides just explain what's in the internal components of the uh remote control . If you go to the one before that uh so it just says what it does , translate the key press into an infra-red signal and this is received by the T_V_ . Uh the chip just needs to detect the signal or detect the key press and then uh it'll send it to the tr the amplifier .
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: And uh then the next slide just shows how the uh copper wires uh interact with the buttons , the rubber buttons , uh to uh get sent to the chip . So that's just how the control works inside . Um we have to decide on what buttons we're gonna use .
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: .
Project Manager: Um . . So in the information that you've been supplied , how feasible would you say that the idea of using an L_C_D_ looks ?
Industrial Designer: Um I think we can do it if uh we use conventional batteries and not have solar cells or kinetic . Um and then maybe use single curved uh case . Because we might need it to be curved for the uh thumb to use the joyst joystick easily . Um and then you'll need the advanced chip obviously for the L_C_D_ .
Project Manager: Um I mean that sounds like quite a good requirement to me . Um conventional battery would seem to make sense .
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Um I'm not sure if there's any cost differences between single and double curved and I'm I don't know about anybody else , but plastic or rubber as a traditional form of casing would seem to be a good way forward ? .
User Interface: Mm . Um I'm actually gonna be bold and go oo go straight for rubber um for reasons I'll go into uh in more detail .
Project Manager: Okay .
Marketing: I also have a preference for rubber .
Project Manager: Okay , well um Marketing: Based on my research .
Project Manager: Yeah , well will we move on to user interface , and User Interface: .
Project Manager: yeah ? Um sorry ,
User Interface: Mm .
Project Manager: as long as were you ? Yeah . Okay .
Industrial Designer: Yep I'm finished .
Project Manager: Um and d d d interface concept .
User Interface: Yep . Now I'm gonna have to work between the uh the slides and the uh and the white board
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: 'cause I actually I have some fairly concrete things this time . Uh um I was given a an H_T_M_L_ file giving um various ideas from uh from other previous remote control designs , and pretty much decided to just dump them all . I wasn't very impressed by them and they didn't seem to re uh nothing I saw seemed to meet the sorts of design specifications that we're going for today . Um so what I ra rather than looking at other remotes , uh ra oomp be better to simply look at the human hand . Um and try and f um and try and figure out a way of laying out the elements we've already decided on , um so that if r a if so that the finger is e each finger or thumb is wherever it needs to be already . Um so uh next slide , if you please . Um and what we've basically decided on was the the um the joy uh the joystick , two function buttons and the L_C_D_ , just keep it paired down to the absolute minimum . I don't actually think we need the um the numeric keypad because if you m because one of the menus that we could have available um v via via the L_C_D_ is one where you scroll through channels , so if there's something f and be bear in mind since this isn't meant to work for um
Marketing: digital .
User Interface: f f f for di for digital or um or for or for cable , whatever ,
Industrial Designer: Ah , okay .
User Interface: you're basically looking at four or five terrestrial channels , and then um your V_C_ uh and then the channel through your V_C_R_ and or D_V_D_ player . And or um box . So it's not I'm not really excessively concerned about that . You must have two two modes , basic mode , where um the joystick's uh left right left right for channels , up down for volume , um and the uh uh and the menu mode for uh further functions . Um now the reason I was particularly interested in using rubber for this is that if we're going to have a highly ergonomic design , um it needs to be ergonomic for left or right handed people . Um , so you
Project Manager: Can I just jump in slightly there ?
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: That would suggest the double curved design's probably going to be most appropriate , then .
User Interface: Yes , absolutely .
Project Manager: okay .
User Interface: Um , basi basically what I basically what the what be having um , I would say , the the whole thing articulated at two points , so that if you if you're handing it from a lef uh left or right handed user you can adjust it so that the um the L_C_ the L_C_D_ and the uh  The joystick would be in the right place . And also this is a rather nicer de uh design gimmick that the the um you know the whole thing you know it should have sort of organic feel to it
Project Manager: Mm .
User Interface: that it should be , you know , soft to touch and can be moved around all nice . Um okay
Project Manager: Okay .
User Interface: on to on to the next uh to the next slide .
Project Manager: Um , yeah . Just to let you know we'll probably be quite tight for time as well ,
User Interface: Okay .
Project Manager: because I think you've probably got a lot you'd like to say , I guess .
User Interface: Yeah , 'kay basically um  I can add pretty pictures to this . The um Assuming the hand the hand to be in about sort of this position , um hol uh holding the remote , the um the joystick unit should rest over the uh the joint of the f of the uh four finger so that it's directly accessible for the thumb . Um and it would need t there would need to be a it would need to be articulated just below that so that it could be switched around for uh left or right handed users . So . You then have a grip section that can be more or less the same irrespective of handedness . You just have big two big buttons that cover most of the area so it can in the upper part , one for the four finger , one for the middle finger . Um , and that Marketing: Is this the joystick ?
User Interface: Th this part here is the joystick . This would be the actual grip . Probably where you'd want to have the battery as well .
Marketing: Okay .
User Interface: That would be probably the bulkiest part . And you then have , at the uh at the bottom , the L_C_D_ , and this would need to be articulated as well . And basically I'd want this to rest here , right at the base of the wrist . So it would fit just nicely in the hand . And again , this part could be rotated , so it can  So so so that it can be adjusted to either left or right handed user . Um So the t uh the top function button in basic mode would be the on off switch and menu mode would be the enter button . And then the bottom function buttons switches between between modes . Um now programming it actually thi this is one thing I've found with um the replacement remote control . Programming them can be a right pain . So I thought th the simplest way around that would be to have um a cable to connect it to the computer some some fair iv fairly fairly simple software on the computer just so that you on your computer just so that you could um pr program it at a rather in a rather more comfortable interface . And you could download programs for it from uh for uh T_V_s from all sort of main manufacturers . Um though you i it would be necessary to have uh have a m uh have a ha have a mode for programming it without the computer , uh just in case there are there are still people left out there who don't have them yet . Um . But uh . Yeah .
Marketing: Mm .
User Interface: That's that's my idea .
Project Manager: Okay . Excellent , right . Um uh .