E: But it th it 's true that th segments are different too .
A: What about transcribing it that way ,
C: " Hmph . "
A: like " hmph " ?
B: Hmm !
F: Oh .
E: Well , now , y This is a good question .
E: I guess I would say th you know , sometimes we 've seen " hmph " in literature meaning in
A: Right .
E: but it 's a s a sigh a si uh , sorry . A sound of indignation .
A: Right .
D: Mm - hmm .
E: So , if it 's meant as a sound of indignation then I think that would be how I would capture it , with the HMPH thing .
A: Mm - hmm .
D: I usually tend to think that it 's a more of a D: Hhh . not indignation .
D: Something more positive .
D: I don't know exactly wha how to characterize it ,
B: Like D: but something more
C: Oh really ?
B: " Hmm !
E: a sort of like a sup uh , an uh , an elevated " hmm " ?
B: I hadn't thought of that . "
A: Right .
B: Yeah .
E: It 's like a m sort of more surprise , or engagement ?
D: Yeah .
D: " Hmm . "
D: Yeah .
D: Or B: Hhh .
D: I i I don't know .
A: I yeah . I guess it could have two meanings , sort of .
D: Maybe .
D: Yeah .
F: If it 's surprise then the exclamation point makes sense , too .
D: Yeah .
E: Mm - hmm .
E: And then there 's the other kind which sounds similar ,
E: but it 's really part of a laugh .
E: So , " Hmm - hmm - hmm - hmm - hmm " .
F: Hmm .
D: Yeah .
E: Which is I would just say " laugh " for that .
A: Yeah . Mm - hmm .
C: Laugh . Right .
D: Yeah .
A: Mm - hmm .
F: Yeah , once , Adam was laughing ,
F: and it was actually written out phonetically ,
F: and I changed it .
F: I 'm like " it 's just laughing " .
E: Good .
D: Yeah .
E: Well done . Well done .
F: Like somebody had written , like " hyuh - hyuh " or or or something .
F: And E: I 've run across that also .
E: And E: Right .
E: Change it to " laugh " .
A: That 's funny .
F: Yeah , i I it was maybe Tigerfish had done something
E: Well done .
F: like they had written out a phonetic laugh ,
C: Yeah , yeah .
F: and they didn't do it at any other place in the transcript .
C: That 's interesting .
D: That 's interesting .
E: I ran across a couple " ho " 's occ
F: It was just that one spot .
E: I 've seen " ho " 's
F: It was just a regular old vanilla laugh , you know .
A: " Ho - ho - ho " ?
E: and A: Oh , that is too much fun .
E: and " heh " .
F: It wasn't anything special .
E: Yeah .
E: Yeah , that 's right .
D: I noticed , i m as far as problems with laughs , is that a lot of them were marked as breaths .
E: W we D: Because a lot of people ,
E: Yes .
D: I think we already talked about this last time ,
A: Right .
B: Mm - hmm .
D: but E: Yeah .
D: but not so much as , I never saw that written out phonetically , or whatever .
E: Well i
F: Well F: well , here 's a question ,
F: and there 's been some variance in transcripts that I 've looked at .
F: When F: OK .
F: So when you laugh , you 're exhaling all this air ,
E: Yes .
F: and so you need to i inhale ,
E: Yes .
F: and so how do you transcribe the inhale ?
F: Some people are transcribing it as a breath .
F: I I used to , you know , back in the day back when I was do transcribing , I would do the whole thing as a laugh
E: Yeah ? Yeah , yeah , yeah ?
D: Yeah , that 's what I used to do too .
E: Uh - huh . Yeah , yeah .
F: because to me the breath is part of the laugh .
E: I agree with you .
A: Oh yeah .
C: Yeah .
E: That 's that 's what I prefer .
B: Mmm .
F: Um , so cuz i cuz in the ones I 've been che the one I 've been checking actually right now , that breath gets marked as a breath ,
A: Yeah .
F: and I 've been taking them out .
D: So you would have like " lef laugh , breath , laugh "
E: Good . Well done .
F: So that 's OK ?
E: Well done .
F: Actually , it 'd be a " laugh "
D: transcribed ?
F: and then two dots ,
F: like the next bin will be empty ,
A: Mm - hmm .
F: and then it 'll be " breath " .
D: Oh , I 've E: Mm - hmm .
D: Yeah .
F: And so it 'll be that C: s Yeah . I was gonna say , I put D: OK .
A: Oh .
D: I see what you 're saying .
A: Yeah .
F: it 'll be three d sort of separate units as opposed to I think it 's sort of one coherent thing .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
A: Mm - hmm .
F: So .
C: I put " breath - laugh " in the brackets when I don't know whether it 's a breath or a laugh ,
E: That 's good . That 's good .
D: Mm - hmm .
C: which is what I remember you telling me to do that .
F: Oh , well , yeah , that 's that 's a different thing .
E: That 's right .
D: Yeah .
B: Mmm . OK .
F: Yeah . S cuz sometimes it 's not clear .
E: That 's good .
D: Sometimes it 's hard to tell .
F: Like sometimes " Hhh ! " is a laugh .
B: Yeah .
C: Right .
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
E: That 's right .
C: Right .
F: Um , and if other people are laughing , then I 'll usually give them and say that they 're laughing .
B: Hmm .
E: And E: I agree with you .
C: Right .
E: And and I think that 's important
A: Yeah .
E: because we 're capturing then the communicative level .
D: Yeah . Exactly .
F: Mm - hmm . Exactly .
A: Right .
E: And it 's likely that it has a different contour than most breaths as well .
D: Yeah .
E: Because it 's sort of expulsive and and , uh , that kind of thing .
C: Mm - hmm .
F: Mm - hmm .
D: Yeah .
E: Ex - exactly . Exactly .
D: Yeah .
C: A lot of people go ,
E: Well done .
F: So .
E: Yes they do .
E: Yeah , the shyer ones sometimes will laugh i with the breath - laugh .
E: And you can see it .
C: Right .
E: You can see the little little peaks , which is interesting .
C: Right .
A: Mm - hmm .
F: Right .
D: Yeah .
E: But yes . Yeah , exactly .
E: I wouldn't , uh i That 's a case whe you know , I know generally with the Tigerfish things that they put " breath " and we leave it in .
E: But absolutely there , yeah .
F: Good . OK .
E: " Laugh " , change it .
E: And , you know , there are other places where it 's in the way , you know .
E: I I mainly said not to change their " breath " 's simply because it would take time to move them if E: and if they 're not in the way then don't don't mess with it ,
A: A lot of times , though , the breaths are , um , results of bad segmentation ,
E: but A: and there 's a segmentation of nothing ,
E: Oh yes !
A: and so they just write it as a breath when it 's clearly not a breath .
D: Yeah . I 've taken out some of those .
A: And I usually always take those out .
F: Yeah .
A: I mean , usually , um , it seems like the segmenter , um , often just sort of , um , segments E: Great .
A: when there 's really long spaces , <comment> it segments random spaces in between .
A: And th you know , they get that
A: and there 's nothing there ,
A: so they m s mark it as a breath when it 's really actually nothing .
A: So usually I take those out .
E: That 's right .
D: Yeah .
F: Well they give the segmenter , though F: cuz they don't have the the rich interface that we do ,
F: so the they must be giving the pre - segmenter sort of the benefit of the doubt ,
F: " Well , there must be something there , um , whether I can hear it or not . "
A: Right . Right . Exactly , exactly .
D: Oh , yeah . I 'm sure they are .
F: So , they just say , " Well , it 's a breath then " .
A: Exactly .
E: One wonders what it might be A: Mm - hmm .
D: Although , they did put a " missing segment " so sometimes in brackets .
E: Yeah .
E: Yeah , there are some where F: Yes !
A: Oh really ?
F: That 's true .
A: Oh , I always get I always get " breath " .
E: Yeah .
E: Well , see , I I do a previous filtering before I give the Tigerfish ones out ,
D: I 've gotten both .
E: and and I u I have tried to get the that particular the the " missing segment " removed .
D: Uh - huh .
E: But I don't always do it .
D: Yeah .
A: Mm - hmm .
D: Yeah . I 've seen a few of them ,
F: Hmm .
E: So yeah , you 've s they slip through .
F: Well , frequently that 'll also be a misattribution too , of voice .
D: but I 've seen a several " breath " 's too .
A: Hmm !
D: Yeah ! Yeah .
F: Cuz then you 'll hear  you 'll hear part of what another person is saying and th tha and that 's all transcribed on that one level ,
F: but then you 'll hear a little bit of it and then " missing segment " .
D: Yeah .
F: It 's like , " OK , well they just it 's in the wrong D: It 's just in the wrong place .
F: That person 's not talking at all " .