F: and we could do that later .
E: Yeah .
F: But I think the not inherently like the general principles still work though ,
F: that , um , we can have constructions that have sort of constituent structure in that there is like , you know , for instance , one F: Uh , you know , they they have constituents , right ?
F: So you can like nest things when you need to ,
F: but they can also overlap in a sort of flatter way .
F: So if you don't have like a lot of grammar experience , then like this this might , you know , be a little o opaque .
F: But , you know , we have the properties of dependency grammars and some properties of constituents constituent - based grammar .
F: So that 's I think that 's sort of the main thing we wanted to aim for
E: Mm - hmm .
F: and so far it 's worked out OK .
C: Good .
F: So .
F: OK .
A: I can say two things about the f
F: Yes .
A: Maybe you want to forget stress .
A: This my f
F: As a word ?
A: No , as as Just don't don't think about it .
F: As a F: What 's that ?
F: Sorry .
A: If A: canonically speaking you can if you look at a a curve over sentence , you can find out where a certain stress is
A: and say , " hey , that 's my focus exponent . "
F: Mm - hmm .
E: Right .
A: It doesn't tell you anything what the focus is .
F: Mm - hmm .
A: If it 's just that thing ,
F: Or the constituent that it falls in .
A: a little bit more or the whole phrase .
E: Mm - hmm .
A: Um F: You mean t forget about stress , the form cue ?
A: The form bit
E: Yeah .
A: because , uh , as a form cue , um , not even trained experts can always well , they can tell you where the focus exponent is sometimes .
F: OK .
A: And that 's also mostly true for read speech .
A: In in real speech , um , people may put stress .
A: It 's so d context dependent on what was there before , phrase ba breaks , um , restarts .
F: Yeah .
F: Mm - hmm .
A: It 's just , um A: it 's absurd .
A: It 's complicated .
F: OK ,
E: Yeah , I mean , I I 'm sort of inclined to say let 's worry about specifying the information structure focus of the sentence
A: And all F: I believe you , yeah .
F: Mm - hmm .
E: and then ,
F: Ways that you can get it come from th
E: hhh , <comment> the phonology component can handle actually assigning an intonation contour to that .
F: right .
E: You know , I mean , later on we 'll worry about exactly how A: Or or map from the contour to to what the focus exponent is .
E: y Yeah .
F: Mm - hmm .
E: Exactly .
E: But figure out how the E: Yeah .
A: But , uh , if you don't know what you 're what you 're focus is then you 're you 're hopeless - uh - ly lost anyways ,
F: Right .
F: That 's fine , yeah .
F: Mm - hmm .
A: and the only way of figuring out what that is , is , um , by sort of generating all the possible alternatives to each focused element , decide which one in that context makes sense and which one doesn't .
F: Mm - hmm .
A: And then you 're left with a couple three .
F: Mm - hmm .
A: So , you know , again , that 's something that h humans can do ,
A: um , but far outside the scope of of any anything .
A: So .
A: You know .
A: It 's F: OK . Well , uh , yeah , I wouldn't have assumed that it 's an easy problem in in absence of all the oth
A: u u
F: you need all the other information I guess .
A: But it 's it 's what it uh , it 's pretty easy to put it in the formalism , though .
A: I mean , because
F: Yeah .
A: you can just say whatever stuff , " i is the container being focused or the the entire whatever , both , and so forth . "
F: Mm - hmm , mm - hmm .
E: Mm - hmm .
F: Yeah . Exactly . So the sort of effect of it is something we want to be able to capture .
C: Yeah , so b b but I think the poi
C: I 'm not sure I understand
C: but here 's what I th think is going on .
C: That if we do the constructions right when a particular construction matches , it the fact that it matches , does in fact specify the focus .
F: W uh ,
F: I 'm not sure about that .
F: Or it might limit it cert certainly constrains the possibilities of focus .
C: OK .
C: Uh k uh , at at the very least it constrai
F: I think that 's that 's , th that 's certainly true .
F: And depending on the construction it may or may not f specify the focus , right ?
C: Oh , uh , for sure , yes .
C: There are constrai yeah , it 's not every but there are constructions , uh , where you t explicitly take into account those considerations