Postdoc B: and I had plan to go through with it , of of co coding the types of overlaps that people were involved in s just with reference to speaker style so , you know , with reference PhD D: Oh .
Postdoc B: and you know I said that on my in my summary ,
PhD D: That 'd be great .
Postdoc B: that you know so it 's like people may have different amounts of being overlapped with or overlapping
PhD D: Yeah , I remem Right .
Postdoc B: but that in itself is not informative without knowing what types of overlaps they 're involved in so I was planning to do a taxonomy of types overlaps with reference to that .
PhD D: That would be great .
Postdoc B: So , but it you know it 's like it sounds like you also have uh something in that direction .
PhD D: That would be really great .
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad A: Hmm .
Postdoc B: Is is it PhD D: We have nothing You know , basically , we got his environment set up . He 's he 's a double - E {comment} you know . So . It 's mostly that , if we had to label it ourselves , we we would or we 'd have to , to get started , but if  It it would be much better if you can do it . You 'd be much better {comment} at doing it also because you know , I I 'm not I don't have a good feel for how they should be sorted out ,
Postdoc B: Interesting .
PhD D: and I really didn't wanna go into that if I didn't have to . So if If you 're w willing to do that or or Grad A: It would be interesting , though , to talk , maybe not at the meeting , but at some other time about what are the classes .
Postdoc B: Well maybe we can OK .
PhD E: Yeah .
Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: Yeah .
Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: I think that 's a research effort in and of itself ,
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad A: Yeah , it would be interesting .
PhD D: because you can read the literature , but I don't know how it 'll turn out
PhD E: Yeah .
PhD D: and , You know , it 's always an interesting question .
Postdoc B: It seems like we also s with reference to a purpose , too , that we we 'd want to have them coded .
PhD E: I would think it 's interesting , yeah . Yeah .
PhD D: That 'd be great .
Grad A: Yep .
PhD E: Yeah .
Postdoc B: OK .
PhD D: That 'd be really great .
Postdoc B: I can do that .
PhD D: And we 'd still have some funding for this project ,
PhD E: uh uh
PhD D: like probably , if we had to hire some like an undergrad , because uh Don is being covered half time on something else Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: I mean , he we 're not paying him the full RA - ship for all the time . So . um If we got it to where we wanted we needed someone to do that I don't think there 's really enough data where where Postdoc B: Mm - hmm . Yeah , I see this as a prototype , to use the only the the already transcribed meeting as just a prototype .
PhD E: Yeah .
PhD D: Yeah .
PhD E: I I think a a another parameter we c we we can consider is eh the duration .
PhD D: But Grad A: Mm - hmm .
PhD E: Another e e m besides eh the the class of overlap , the duration . Because is possible eh some s s um eh some classes eh has eh a type of a duration , eh , a duration very short uh when we have  we have overlapping with speech .
Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: Yeah , definitely .
Postdoc B: Yeah , maybe It may be correlated . Mm - hmm .
PhD E: Is possible to have . And it 's interesting , I think , to consider the the window of normalization , normalization window . Eh because eh if we have a type of , a kind of eh overlap , eh backchannel overlap , with a short duration , is possible eh to normali i i that if we normalize eh with eh eh consider only the the eh window eh by the left eh ri eh side on the right side overlapping with a a very eh oh a small window eh the if the fit of normalization is eh mmm bigger eh in that overlapping zone eh very short
Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: Yeah , that 's true . The window shouldn't be larger than the backchannel .
PhD E: I I me I I understand . I mean that you have eh you have a backchannel , eh , eh you have a overlapping zone very short
PhD D: Yeah .
PhD E: and you consider eh n eh all the channel to normalize this very short eh Professor C: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .
PhD E: for example " mmm mm - hmm hmm " eh And the energy is not eh height eh I think if you consider all the channel to normalize and the channel is mmm bigger eh eh eh compared with the with the overlapping eh duration ,
Professor C: Mm - hmm .
PhD E: eh the effect is mmm stronger eh that I I mean the the e effect of the normalization eh with the mean and the and the variance eh is different that if you consider only a window compared eh with the n the duration of overlapping .
Professor C: Mm - hmm . You you want it around the overlapping part .
PhD E: Not Yeah .
Professor C: You want it to include something that 's not in overlapping
PhD E: Yeah .
Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .
Professor C: but but uh
PhD E: Yeah . I I don't know .
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD E: Is s If PhD D: Well it 's a sliding window , right ? So if you take the the measure in the center of the overlapped piece , you know , there 'd better be some something .
Professor C: Mm - hmm .
PhD E: Yeah . Yeah .
PhD D: But if your window is really huge then yeah you 're right you won't even PhD E: Yeah , This is the This is the the idea , to consider only the the small window near near near the the overlapping zone .
PhD D: The portion of the {comment} of the backchannel won't won't effect anything . But you Yeah . So . You know , you shouldn't be more than like  You should definitely not be three times as big as your as your backchannel .
PhD E: Yeah .
Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: Then you 're gonna w have a wash . And hopefully it 's more like on the order of Professor C: I 'm not sure that 's necessarily true .
PhD E: Yeah ?
Postdoc B: It is an empirical question , it seems like .
Professor C: Because because it because um again if you 're just compensating for the gain ,
PhD D: Yea
PhD E: Yeah .
Postdoc B: Yeah .
Professor C: you know , the fact that this this gain thing was crude , and the gain wh if someone is speaking relatively at consistent level , just to to give a an extreme example , all you 're doing is compensating for that . And then you still s And then if you look at the frame with respect to that , it still should should uh change
PhD D: Yeah , it depends how different your normalization is , as you slide your window across .
Professor C: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: I mean . That 's something we don't know .
Postdoc B: It 's possible to try it both ways ,
Grad A: Well , I mean we 're also talking about a couple of different things .
Postdoc B: isn't it ? in this small
Grad A: I mean , one is your analysis window and then the other is any sort of normalization that you 're doing .
PhD D: Yeah I was talking about the n normalization window .
Grad A: And the And they could be quite different .
Professor C: Right .
PhD D: Yeah .
PhD E: Yeah .
Professor C: This was sort of where where we were last week .
Grad A: Yep .
PhD D: Yeah . That 's true . Yeah .
Professor C: But , anyway We we 'll have to look at some core things .
Postdoc B: OK .
PhD D: Um . But that 'd be great if if you 're marking those
PhD E: OK .
Postdoc B: Great .
PhD D: and um .
Postdoc B: OK .
PhD D: But it is definitely true that we need to have the time marks ,
PhD E: Yeah .
Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: and I was assuming that will be inherited because , if you have the words and they 're roughly aligned in time via forced alignment or whatever we end up using , then you know , this student and I would be looking at the time marks
Postdoc B: Yep , I agree . Mm - hmm . Coming off of the other PhD D: and classifying all the frames inside those as whatever labels Jane gave
PhD E: Yeah .
Postdoc B: Good . So , it wouldn't be I wasn't planning to label the time marks .
PhD D :
PhD E: I can give you my transcription file ,
Postdoc B: I was thinking that that would come from the engineering side ,
PhD D: I don't think you need to .
PhD E: no ?
Postdoc B: yeah .
PhD D: Yeah . That should be linked to the words which are linked to time somehow ,
Postdoc B: There you go .
Grad A: Well we 're not any time soon going to get a forced alignment .
PhD D: right ? Not now .
Grad A: So .
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad A: Um If it 's not hand - marked then we 're not going to get the times .
PhD D: Well , it 's something that w Well , we we wouldn't be able to do any work without a forced alignment anyway ,
PhD E: Yes
PhD D: so somehow if once he gets going we 're gonna hafta come up with one
Professor C: Yes .
PhD D: and Yeah .
Grad A: I mean w I guess we could do a very bad one with Broadcast News .
Postdoc B: Good . Good .
PhD D: So whatever you would label would be attached to the words , I think .
Postdoc B: Great ! Good , good . Mm - hmm .
PhD E: Yeah .
Professor C: Well again for the close mike stuff , we could come up take a s take the Switchboard system or something ,
Grad A: That might be good enough . Yeah .
Professor C: and Um
Grad A: It 'd be worth a try . It would be interesting to see what we get .
Professor C: Just , you know , low - pass filter the speech and PhD D: Cuz there 's there 's a lot of work you can't do without that , I mean , how how would you Professor C: Yeah .
PhD D: You 'd have to go in and measure every start and stop point next to a word
Grad A: Yep .
Postdoc B: It would be very inefficient .
PhD D: is y if you 're interested in anything to do with words .
PhD E: Yeah .
Postdoc B: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: So . Anyway So that 'd be great .
Postdoc B: Good . OK .
PhD E: Yeah .
Professor C: There 's something we should talk about later but maybe not just now . But , uh , should talk about our options as far as the uh uh transcription
Grad A: Yep , if IBM doesn't Professor C: But . Well , w But we 'll do that later .
Postdoc B: OK . Good .
PhD D: Do we hafta turn Postdoc B: Yeah . Let 's do that later .
PhD D: Are we supposed to keep recording here ?
Grad A: Yeah Right .
Postdoc B: Yeah .
Professor C: We 'll talk about it later .
Postdoc B: Yeah .
Professor C: So uh Uh " forms " .
Grad A: Forms Next iteration of forms .
Professor C: You had something on forms .
Grad A: Oops .