A: So A: Hello . D: Good afternoon .
D: Sorry I'm a little late .
A: No problem .
D: Got stuck in the traffic .
C: B: A: Okay . A: That's possible on uh this time of day .
A: Starts at three o'clock . Uh  D: Yeah .
A: Uh , let me see .
A: Our fourth and last meeting .
A: There he is .
A: Yes .
A: Okay
A: this our last meeting .
A: In this meeting we will discuss our final design .
A: And we will do some evaluation about the , not only the product , but also the project .
A: And then we're going to close the project today as well .
A: So
A: after this you will be uh free to go
A: and uh spend all your money . B: D: C: D: A: And this uh design , detailed design meeting uh we will discuss uh the look-and-feel of the design , the usability interface design ,
A: and we will do the product evaluation .
A: Um , in order to do that we have this agenda .
A: We'll have the prototype presentation first .
A: Then we will set up some evaluation cri um criteria .
A: Then we will look at the finance .
A: Uh we will have to see if everything we wanna do is also possible within our budget .
A: Because everything costs money ,
A: and the more functions you wanna have the more money it will cost .
A: So we have to see if it fits within the twelve and a half Euro per remote .
A: But we will see that later .
A: Then we will do the project uh evaluation ,
C: A: and the closing after that .
A: We've got forty minutes .
A: So we will be finished at half past three .
A: But first um we will do the this is prototype presentation .
A: So ,
A: if some yeah if somebody wants step forward .
C: Okay .
C: Well
C: this is what me and Richard came up with .
C: The default spot for the on-off button .
C: The mute button just below that .
C: Then there's the volume and channel selectors .
C: Simple plus-minus button .
C: Uh we thought of a help button .
C: If you hold it and you press another button , uh the help goes to the L_C_D_ screen .
C: Then there's the zero to one to zero buttons . A button for teletext . A button for the subtitles . And the company logo .
C: So it's rather simple prototype .
C: And uh we'll have to see from testing uh how the users take it .
A: Okay .
D: Um , is this the moment where we ask or can ask questions about the functionality ?
B: So C: Sure
B: Yeah . Yeah .
C: uh just pop in at any time .
D: Um , when you're in teletext there usually are buttons where you just you just press it and you g go to the next teletext page .
B: Uh , that's just uh the normal uh as th as the normal uh remote controls uh B: So um B: You put it uh B: you um came in uh page uh one hundred . Now you can use the normal uh one to zero buttons .
D: Mm-hmm .
B: And you B: But you can also uh use the um button th for uh changing the the channel . S so uh the shifting uh button . Uh for uh yeah shif shifting up in uh on t on t uh teletext , and shifting uh down . So D: Okay .
D: Okay . Um Yeah .
A: Okay . Uh but um
A: I thought in a few meetings earlier we uh uh tried to keep it uh simple . Uh just a few buttons and large buttons .
B: Oh yeah ?
A: But uh I think these are altogether quite a quite a few buttons .
A: So I'm wondering if we if we neely really need all of those buttons .
B: C: I think if you look at most controls , they've got more buttons than this .
B: A: That's right .
C: And well
B: Yeah .
C: the on-off button , it's it's a necessity .
C: You can't drop that one .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: The volume and channel buttons , you need you obviously need those those .
A: Yeah .
C: The mute button could be replaced uh by pressing the volume-down button twice .
C: So we could cancel that one .
C: I think the help button really is necessary
B: Yeah yeah .
C: because there's no other way to know when someone wants to know what a button does .
A: Mm .
B: Uh , or you can build in uh when you press uh one button uh uh A: Long time .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
A: If you put B: But m
B: Yeah .
B: We disc discuss that already .
B: But uh we think uh old people uh don't know that uh option .
B: So uh they just put in uh put press uh the button and uh A: Yeah . Okay .
C: Well , C: you can't leave out the number buttons I guess .
B: And uh A: Yeah .
C: And  A: Uh teletext and subtitles are yeah necessary .
C: Yeah .
B: Oh .
D: Yeah .
A: Okay .
C: So it's rather basic already .
D: Yeah . Think so .
D: That's what I pointed out earlier .
D: If you just make a control for just the T_V_ there's just not much to gain here .
B: Yeah .
A: Yep .
A: Okay . So
A: we had somebody about th interfa Something about the design of the buttons there ?
C: Yeah ,
C: they're C: It's rather hard to draw on the white-board .
B: Yeah . Yeah ,
A: Just n normal plain buttons .
B: it C: But they're supposed to be equal sized , round , with a with a little logo on it for the for the volume , the the triangle and stuff .
B: Yeah yeah .
A: Yeah . 'Kay .
B: Just to recognise it ,
B: so uh C: Just for recognition .
B: Uh yeah
B: and now we don't need uh LEDs
B: or um Y uh
A: No .
B: s some uh remote controls uh do it also ,
A: No .
B: but um uh because we use the little display
B: we don't uh have to use it .
B: Uh so A: Yeah . Okay .
C: So
C: and for the materials we've just chosen for rubber buttons . With a a different colour than the case .
B: Nay .
A: Yep .
C: So they jump out .
A: Okay .
C: And uh that's about it .
A: That's nice .
A: Then because we only have thirty minutes left ,
A: I will move on to the finance part ,
A: which is pretty exciting , to see if it's all possible what we wanna do .
A: And I can tell you that we're going to have a pretty hard time producing this for twelve and a half Euros .
D: B: Mm .
A: If we see A: I don't know if I've filled in correctly ,
A: so just correct me if you see uh something wrong .
A: I counted two batteries .
A: But maybe we can also use one .
A: I don't know if it's possible .
D: Since it rechargeable .
A: It's rechargeable . That's right .
B: Yeah we can
B: u just uh  A: Okay .
A: That's two Euros off . B: 'Kay . A: We need the advanced chip .
A: So there's not much to uh to save there .
C: Yep .
A: Here we have the single curves .
A: Uh we can see that the difference between uncurved and the single curved is one Euro . Um ,
B: Mm .
A: I don't know ,
A: but I think the single curved is good for design , and also for the display to have a prominent place on the remote control .
B: Yeah .
C: Yes .
A: I think we have to keep that .
B: Yeah .
A: Then we have the case material supplements .
A: It's plastic .
A: It's the cheapest one we need .
A: So that's uh not much to save either .
A: But then the biggest costs are the buttons .
A: So maybe we really should try to discard some buttons to uh keep our costs low .
B: Okay .
B: Yeah .
A: Because you have to we will have to get the twelve and a half Euros at the end . Um ,
A: so if we A: Let's fir first count the buttons we have now .
B: Uh Sixteen , I believe so .
A: Because I  A: Sixteen .
A: Nah ,
A: that will be even more then .
A: Eighteen Euros .
A: So ,
B: Uh seventeen . Uh with the help button .
A: seventeen .
D: Um C: A: Okay , including the help ?
C: Yep .
D: Damn .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah . Uh seventeen .
D: A: I think we can uh discard the help and the mute button uh by pressing down volume long , or pressing down a a number long .
B: .
C: Yep .
A: That saves us uh one Euro already .
A: 'Cause then we have got fifteen I think ?
C: Yeah .
D: Wouldn't D: Yeah .
A: Fifteen buttons .
D: No . That wouldn't be an option .
A: And this is D: Uh , d I assume you'd count the volume and channel thingies for two buttons each ,
D: right ?
A: No those are one , I think .
B: Yeah .
D: Well ,
D: think actually there're two buttons ,
B: Where did uh  B: Uh , it's just one button .
D: aren't they ?
B: But , um Yeah .
B: There were uh two uh for one big button .
B: But they are uh more expensive than the small ones .
B: Uh , yeah . So A: Yeah
A: but th it's not stated in this files .
B: It's just a .
A: So maybe we can we can even make one button with the volume and the channel in one , by pressing
D: Well
D: I was thinking , maybe you could just integrate three of those numbers to one button .
A: That's possibility as well .
D: That would cut the cost .
A: So A: And it's good for the design as well .
A: So you can make A: Uh let's see .
A: If you make this A: Looks a bit like uh a cross . A: Plus . Min .
B: But I don't don't know if if it's cheaper .
A: Uh s yeah
A: channel .
B: So uh ,
A: Yeah
B: we've still got four buttons ,
A: w
B: but just um So A: Yeah
A: th I think they count uh the materials .
B: You got uh not not a butt button itself , but uh on the um A: Yeah
A: on the chip there .
B: Yeah .
B: On the chip you've got still uh four uh four buttons .
A: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: That's right . That's right .
B: So D: Yeah .
A: But I think because we have the advanced chip
B: Yeah ,
D: But , I think this really is four buttons anyhow .
B: but A: we can just count this as one button .
A: But A: No
A: but I think C: Yes .
A: Yeah . Maybe it is ,
A: but then it seems to me that it's impossible to get the twelve and a half Euros .