G: Cool .
A: Um ,
B: Yeah .
A: I actually I talked to Chuck Fillmore
A: and I think they 've what , vehemently said no before
A: but this time he wasn't vehement and he said you know , " well , Liz , come to the meeting tomorrow
B: Yeah .
A: and try to convince people " .
A: So I 'm gonna try . Go to their meeting tomorrow
G: Mm - hmm .
A: and see if we can try , uh , to convince them
G: Good .
B: Cuz they have something like three or four different meetings ,
A: because they have A: And they have very interesting meetings from the point of view of a very different type of of talk than we have here
B: right ?
G: Mm - hmm .
D: Talk A: and definitely than the front end meeting , probably .
A: Um E: You mean in terms of the topic topics ?
A: Well , yes and in terms of the the fact that they 're describing abstract things
A: and , uh , just dialogue - wise ,
B: Mm - hmm .
A: right .
E: Mm - hmm .
A: Um , so I 'll try .
A: And then the other thing is ,
A: I don't know if this is at all useful ,
A: but I asked Lila if I can maybe go around and talk to the different departments in this building
B: Yes .
A: to see if there 's any groups that , for a free lunch ,
A: if we can still offer that ,
H: You mean non - ICSI ?
B: Great .
A: might be willing A: non - ICSI , non - academic ,
H: Yeah , I guess you you can try
A: you know , like government people ,
H: but A: I don't know .
H: The problem is so much of their stuff is confidential .
A: So .
H: It would be very hard for them .
G: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
G: Also it does seem like it takes us way out of the demographic .
D: Yeah .
A: Is is it in these departments ?
G: I mean , it seems like we we had this idea before of having like linguistics students brought down for free lunches
H: Well , tha I think that 's her point .
A: Right , and then we could also we might try advertising again
G: and that 's a nice idea .
A: because I think it 'd be good if if we can get a few different sort of non - internal types of meetings
G: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
A: and just also more data .
G: Mm - hmm .
H: And I think , uh , if we could get E: Does does John Ohala have weekly phonetics lab meetings ?
A: So .
A: So I actually wrote to him and he answered , " great , that sounds really interesting " .
A: But I never heard back
A: because we didn't actually advertise openly .
A: We a I mean w
A: I told I d asked him privately .
A: Um , and it is a little bit of a trek for campus folks .
H: Yeah .
G: Mm - hmm .
H: You might give them a free lunch .
H: But , um ,
A: Um , so it 's still worthwhile .
H: it would be nice if we got someone other than me who knew how to set it up and could do the recording
A: So H: so u I didn't have to do it each time .
A: Exactly ,
G: Yeah . That 's right .
A: and and A: and I was thinking B: He - he 's supposed he 's supposed to be trained to do it .
A: Yeah .
A: Plus we could also get you know , a s a student .
H: OK , next week you 're going to do it all .
D: Yeah .
A: And I 'm willing to try to learn .
A: I mean , I 'm I would do my best .
A: Um , the other thing is that there was a number of things at the transcription side that , um , transcribers can do , like dialogue act tagging ,
H: It 's not that hard .
A: disfluency tagging ,
A: um , things that are in the speech that are actually something we 're y <comment> working on for language modeling .
A: And Mari 's also interested in it ,
A: Andreas as well .
A: So if you wanna process a utterance and the first thing they say is , " well " , and that " well " is coded as some kind of interrupt u tag .
A: Uh , and things like that ,
A: um ,
G: Of course some of that can be li done lexically .
A: th
G: And I also they are doing disfluency tagging to some degree already .
A: A lot of it can be done A: Great . So a a lot of this kind of G: Yeah .
A: I think there 's a second pass
A: and I don't really know what would exist in it .
A: But there 's definitely a second pass worth doing to maybe encode some kinds of , you know , is it a question or not ,
G: Mm - hmm .
A: or A: um , that maybe these transcribers could do .
A: So G: They 'd be really good .
A: Yeah .
G: They 're they 're very they 're very consistent .
B: Mm - hmm .
G: Uh , I wanted to whi while we 're Uh , so , to return just briefly to this question of more meeting data ,
A: That 'd be great .
G: um I have two questions .
G: One of them is , um , Jerry Feldman 's group ,
G: they they , uh , are they G: I know that they recorded one meeting .
G: Are they willing ?
B: I think they 're open to it .
B: I think , you know , all these things are A: Oh , yeah .
B: I think there 's B: we should go beyond , uh , ICSI
B: but , I mean , there 's a lot of stuff happening at ICSI that we 're not getting now that we could .
G: Mm - hmm .
B: So it 's just A: Oh , that we could .
A: OK .
B: Yeah . So the A: I thought that all these people had sort of said " no " twice already .
B: No , no . No .
A: If that 's not the case then B: So th there was the thing in Fillmore 's group
B: but even there he hadn't B: What he 'd said " no " to was for the main meeting .
B: But they have several smaller meetings a week ,
H: So .
B: and , uh , the notion was raised before that that could happen .
B: And it just , you know it just didn't come together
A: Just E: Well , and and the other thing too is when they originally said " no " they didn't know about this post - editing capability thing .
A: OK .
B: but G: Oh .
A: Right .
B: Yeah . Yeah .
A: Right . That was a big fear .
G: That 's important .
E: So .
B: Yeah , so I mean there 's possibilities there .
B: I think Jerry 's group , yes .
B: Uh , there 's there 's , uh , the networks group ,
A: OK .
B: uh , I don't B: Do they still meeting regularly
B: or ?
H: Well , I don't know if they meet regularly or not
H: but they are no longer recording .
B: But I mean , ha ha have they said they don't want to anymore
B: or ?
H: Um , ugh , what was his name ?
B: Uh , i i
G: Joe Sokol ?
H: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
H: When with him gone , it sorta trickled off .
H: They and they stopped B: OK , so they 're down to three or four people
H: Yeah .
B: but the thing is three or four people is OK .
A: Mm - hmm .
H: Yep .
G: We might be able to get the administration H: Well he was sort of my contact ,
H: so I just need to find out who 's running it now .
H: So .
B: OK .
G: I see that Lila has a luncheon meeting in here periodically .
G: I don't know A: Yeah , I mean , it One thing that would be nice
A: and this it sounds bizarre
A: but , I 'd really like to look at to get some meetings where there 's a little bit of heated discussion ,
A: like ar arguments and or emotion , and things like that .
A: And so I was thinking if there 's any like Berkeley political groups or something .
A: I mean , that 'd be perfect .
A: Some group , " yes , we must "
H: Who 's willing to get recorded and distributed ?
A: Well , you know , something F: Yeah , I don't think the more political argumentative ones would be willing to C: Yeah .
A: Um B: Yeah ,
D: Yeah .
B: with with with potential use from the defense department .
A: Well , OK .
H: Yeah .
F: Yeah . Exactly .
B: Yeah .
G: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
A: No , but maybe stu student , uh , groups or , um , film - makers , or som Something a little bit colorful .
D: Yeah .
G: Yeah ,
G: of course there is this problem though , that if we give them the chance to excise later we e might end up with like five minutes out of a f <comment> of m one hour
B: Yeah .    Yeah , th there 's a problem there in terms of , uh , the um commercial value of of st uh ,
D: Film - maker .
H: Of beeps ,
C: Yeah .
H: yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: Is G: of <comment> Yes . Really .
A: And I don't mean that they 're angry
A: but just something with some more variation in prosodic contours and so forth would be neat .
A: So if anyone has ideas ,
A: I 'm willing to do the leg work to go try to talk to people
A: but I don't really know which groups are worth pursuing .
G: Well there was this K P F A
H: No that 's G: but G: OK .
H: Legal .
G: OK ,
G: OK .
B: it it it it turned out to be a bit of a problem .
A: Or G: And I had one other one other aspect of this
G: which is , um , uh , uh , Jonathan Fiscus expressed primar uh y a major interest in having meetings which were all English speakers .
G: Now he wasn't trying to shape us in terms of what we gather
B: Mm - hmm .
G: but that 's what he wanted me to show him .
G: So I 'm giving him our , um our initial meeting
G: because he asked for all English .
G: And I think we don't have a lot of all English meetings right now .
E: Did he mean , uh did he mean and non - British ?
B: Of all all nat all native speakers .
H: Well C: The all native .
G: That 's what I mean , yeah .
H: Well if he meant and non - British I think we have zero .
G: He doesn't care .
G: No . Eh , well , British is OK .
G: But but E: He said British was OK ?