PhD F: the question I had about queries was , um , so what we 're planning to do is have people look at the summaries and then generate queries ? Are are we gonna try and o
Grad G: We we 've just been talking , how do we generate queries ?
PhD F: Yeah . Well , I mean ,
Grad G: And so that was one suggestion .
PhD F: so , the question I had is is have we given any thought to how we would generate queries automatically given a summary ? I mean , I think that 's a whole research topic un unto itself ,
Professor D: Mmm .
PhD F: so that it may not be a feasible thing . But PhD E: Hello . Dan here .
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PhD B: Shouldn't Landay and his group be in charge of figuring out how to do this ?
Professor D: Yeah .
PhD B: I mean , this is an issue that goes a little bit beyond where we are right now .
PhD E: OK .
PhD B: They 're the expert
PhD E: Mari ?
Professor A: Yeah ?
PhD E: Someone wants to know when you 're getting picked up . Is someone picking you up ?
Professor A: Um , what 's our schedule ?
Professor D: Well , you still wanted to talk with Liz .
Professor A: Let 's see , you and I need dis Uh , no , we did the Liz talk .
Professor D: And you and I need to Oh , oh . You already did the Liz talk .
Professor A: Yeah . So so that was the prosody thing .
Professor D: OK .
PhD B: We - I don't remember it .
Professor A: Um , we need to finish the Professor D: Oh , OK .
Professor A: It 's already four - fifteen .
PhD B: I have like no recall memory .
Professor A: Uh , after .
Professor D: Yeah .
Professor A: We need to finish this discussion , and you and I need a little time for wrap - up and quad chart . So ,
Grad G: And what ?
Professor A: um Professor D: I 'm at your disposal . So , up to you .
Professor A: Um , what what 's the plan for this discussion ? We should Professor D: Um , I think we should be able to wind up in another half - hour or something , you think ?
Grad G: At least . Yeah .
Professor A: Uh , less .
Grad G: m i Even if that much ?
Professor A: Yeah .
Professor D: Less ?
Grad G: Less .
Professor A: So , I think PhD B: It 's interesting that he 's got , like , this discussion free
Professor D: Well , I mean , we still haven't talked about the action items from here and so on .
Professor A: Action Yeah .  So ,
PhD B: yet it 's separate .
Professor D: And Professor A: e e why don't you say five - thirty ? I don't PhD E: OK , five - thirty .
Professor A: Is that OK ? We 'll probably hit horrible traffic .
PhD E: Sounds OK . h Thanks , bye .
Professor A: That 's not a lot of time ,
PhD E: That 's that .
Professor A: but Professor D: Yeah .
Grad G: Well , in answer to " is it Landay 's problem ? " , um , he doesn't have a student who 's interested right now in doing anything . So he has very little manpower . Um , there 's very little allocated for him and also he 's pretty focused on user interface . So I don't think he wants to do information retrieval , query generation , that sort of stuff .
Professor D: Yeah , well there 's gonna be these student projects that can do some things but it can't be , yeah , very deep . u I I actually think that that , uh , again , just as a bootstrap , {comment} if we do have something like summaries , then having the people who are involved in the meetings themselves , who are cooperative and willing to do yet more , come up with with with queries , uh , could at least give give Landay an idea of the kind of things that people might want to know . I mean , ye Right ? If he doesn't know anything about the area , and the people are talking about and and , uh PhD B: But the people will just look at the summaries or the minutes and re and sort of back - generate the queries . That 's what I 'm worried about . So you might as well just give him the summaries .
Professor D: Mm - hmm .
PhD B: And Professor D: Maybe .
PhD F: Well , I 'm not sure I 'm not sure that 's a solved problem .
Grad G: y Well , but I think PhD B: Oh , OK .
PhD F: Right ? Of how to how to generate queries from a PhD B: How to do this from the summary .
Professor D: Yeah .
Grad G: I , uh PhD F: That was sort of what my question was aimed towards .
PhD B: So what you want to h to do is , people who were there , who later see , uh , minutes and s put in summary form , which is not gonna be at the same time as the meeting . There 's no way that can happen . Are we gonna later go over it
Professor A: Hmm .
Professor D: Right .
Grad G: Right .
PhD B: and , like , make up some stuff to which these notes would be an answer , or or a deeper Yeah . I mean Grad G: Or or just a memory refresher .
PhD B: But that 's done off they have to do that off - line .
Grad G: Yep . I agree .
PhD B: You
Postdoc H: I 'm also wondering if we could ask the the people a a question which would be " what was the most interesting thing you got out of this meeting ? " Becau - in terms of like informativeness ,
PhD B: That 's a good one .
Postdoc H: it might be , you know , that the summary would would not in even include what the person thought was the most interesting fact .
Professor D: I would think that would be the most likely thing .
PhD B: Dan doesn't know what sex he is .
PhD E: Yeah , really .
Professor A: But actually I would say that 's a better thing to ask than have them summarize the meeting .
Postdoc H: I think you get two different types of information .
Professor A: You get two Yeah , that 's true .
PhD E: Yeah .
Postdoc H: Because you get , like , the general structure of important points and what the what the meeting was about .
Professor D: Hey .
PhD B: Ah
Professor D: Yeah .
Grad G: We 're still here .
Postdoc H: So you get the general structure , the important points of what the meeting was about with the summary . But with the " what 's the most interesting thing you learned ? " Uh , so the fact that , uh , I know that Transcriber uses Snack is something that I thought was interesting
PhD B: Going to see the kids .
PhD E: You you can keep it on .
Postdoc H: and that and that Dan worked on on that . So I thought that was really you know . So , I mean , you could ge pick up some of the micro items that wouldn't even occur as major headings
Professor A: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc H: but could be very informative .
Professor A: Yeah , that 's actually a really good idea .
Postdoc H: I think it wouldn't be too , uh , uh , cost - intensive either . You know , I mean , it 's like something someone can do pretty easily on the spur of the moment .
Professor C: Are you thinking about just asking one participant or all of them ?
Grad G: As many are willing to do it .
Professor C: Make it a voluntary thing ,
PhD E: Yeah . Cuz you 'll get cuz you 'll get very different answers from everybody , right ?
Professor C: and then Yeah . That 's why I was wondering .
PhD E: So Grad G: Well , maybe one thing we could do is for the meetings we 've already done I mean , I we didn't take minutes and we don't have summaries . But , uh , people could , like , listen to them a little bit and generate some queries .
Postdoc H: Yeah .
Grad G: Of course Jane doesn't need to . I 'm sure you have that meeting memorized by now .
PhD E: Yeah .
Professor A: But actually it would be an easy thing to just go around the room and say what was the most interesting thing you learned ,
Grad G: Mmm .
Postdoc H: Yeah . Yeah .
Professor A: for those pe people willing to stay .
Postdoc H: And that I think it would pick up the micro - structure , the some some of the little things that would be hidden .
Professor A: And and that might be something people are willing to stay for .
Professor D: Boy , I I don't know how we get at this Postdoc H: That would be interesting .
Professor C: Yeah , but when you go around the room you might just get the effect that somebody says something
Grad G: Or want to get up and leave .
Professor C: and then you go around the room and they say " yeah , me too , I agree . "
Grad G: Me too , me too , me too .
Professor D: Yeah .
Professor A: That 's fine .
Professor C: So PhD E: On the other hand people might try and come up with different ones , right ?
Professor D: Well PhD E: They might say " oh , I was gonna say that one but now I have to think of something else " .
Grad G: Well , you have the other thing , that that they know why we 're doing it . We 'll I mean , we 'll we 'll be telling them that the reason we 're trying to do this is is to d generate queries in the future , so try to pick things that other people didn't say .
Professor D: It 's gonna take some thought . I mean , It seemed  The kind of , uh , interest that I had in this thing initially was , uh , that i basically the form that you 're doing something else later ,
Professor A: Mm - hmm .
Professor D: and you want to pick up something from this meeting related to the something else . So it 's really the imp the the list of what 's important 's in the something else
Professor A: Right .
Professor D: rather than the PhD E: Mmm .
Professor D: And it might be something minor of minor importance to the meeting .
Professor C: Mm - hmm .
Grad G: Right .
Professor D: Uh , in fact if if it was really major , if it 's the thing that really stuck in your head , then you might not need to go back and and and check on it even . So it 's it 's that you 're trying to find {comment} You 're you 've now You weren't interested Say I I said " well , I wasn't that much interested in dialogue , I 'm more of an acoustics person " .
PhD E: Right .
Professor D: But but thr three months from now if for some reason I get really interested in dialogue , and I 'm " well what is what was that part that that that , uh , Mari was saying ? "
Grad G: Yeah , like Jim Bass says " add a few lines on dialogue in your next perf "
Professor A: Uh Professor D: Yeah . Yeah .
Professor A: Yeah .
Professor D: And then I 'm trying to fi I mean , that 's that 's when I look in general when I look things up most , is when it 's something that didn't really stick in my head the first time around and but for some {comment} new reason I 'm I 'm I 'm interested in in in the old stuff .
Grad G: But that that 's gonna be very hard to generate .
Professor A: Well , I That 's hard to generate
Professor D: So , I don't I don't know .
Professor C: Mm - hmm .
PhD F: Do we Professor A: and and I think that 's half of what i I would use it for . But I also a lot of times um , make you know , think to myself " this is interesting ,
Professor D: Mm - hmm .
Professor A: I 've gotta come back and follow up on it " .
Professor D: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .
Professor A: So , things that I think are interesting , um , I would be , uh , wanting to do a query about . And also , I like the idea of going around the room , because if somebody else thought something was interesting , I 'd kind of want to know about it and then I 'd want to follow up on it .
PhD E: Hmm .
Professor D: Yeah . That that might get at some of what I was I was concerned about , uh , being interested in something later that w uh , I didn't consider to be important the first time , which for me is actually the dominant thing , because if I thought it was really important it tends to stick more than if I didn't , but some new task comes along that makes me want to look up .
Grad G: But But what 's interesting to me may not b have been interesting to you .
Professor D: Yeah . So having multiple people might get at some of that .
Grad G: By so by going around Yeah .
Professor D: Yeah .
Grad G: Yeah , I I think you can't get at all of it ,
Professor D: Yeah .
Grad G: right ? W we just need to start somewhere .
Professor D: Yeah , and this is a starting point .
Postdoc H: Uh - huh .