A: Right .
A: Mm - hmm .
A: Right .
C: Hmm .
B: I mean , it seems to me that you can get both in in English depending o
B: You know , like , " in front of the car " could you know Like ,
B: here 's the car sideways to me in between me and the car or something 's in front of the car , or whatever .
B: I could see that ,
C: Absolutely .
B: but B: But anyway , so you know , I mean , this was this was a a very good talk on those kinds of issues and so on .
B: So uh .
E: I can also give you uh , a pointer to a paper of mine which is the the ultimate taxonomy of reference frames .
B: Alright !
E: So .
B: Cool !
E: I 'm the only person in the world who actually knows how it works .
C: Oh .
C: Oh .
E: Not really .
C: Great .
C: No , I 've not seen that .
E: It 's called a A: What do you mean . Um . " reference frames " ?
A: uh uh
E: It 's it 's spatial reference frames .
E: You actually have only E: Um . If you wanna have a E: This is usually um E: I should there should be an " L " , though .
E: Well actually you have only have two choices .
E: You can either do a two - point or a three - point
E: which is you You 're familiar with th with the " origo " ?
E: where that 's the center " Origo " is the center of the f frame of reference .
E: And then you have the reference object and the object to be localized .
B: Hmm .
B: Hmm .
E: OK ?
A: Mm - hmm .
E: In some cases the origo is the same as the reference object .
F: This was like C: So that would be " origin " in English ,
B: The origin .
C: right ?
B: Yeah .
A: Right
E: " Origo " is a Terminus technikus . in that sense ,
E: that 's even used in the English literature .
E: " Origo . "
B: Oh , OK .
C: Alright .
B: I never heard it .
A: OK .
B: OK .
E: And um , so ,
E: this video tape is in front of me .
E: I 'm the origo and I 'm also the reference object .
B: Mm - hmm .
B: Mm - hmm .
E: Those are two - point .
A: Right .
C: Mm - hmm .
E: And three - point relations is if something has an intrinsic front side like this chair then your f shoe is behind the chair .
C: Yeah .
B: Mm - hmm .
E: And , reference object and Um . No , from from my point of view your shoe is left of the chair .
B: Right .
B: You you can actually say things like , um , " it 's behind the tree from me " or something like that , I think , in in in certain circumstances in English ,
B: right ?
E: Yeah .
B: As sort of " from where I 'm standing it would appear that " E: Yeah .
E: So ,
F: Looks a little bit like Reichenbach for time .
C: Yeah , it sounds like it ,
C: doesn't it ,
F: It 's a lot like it .
C: yeah .
B: Yeah .
E: And then and then here you F: Um .
E: On this scale , you have it either be ego or allocentric .
C: Mm - hmm .
E: And that 's <comment> that 's basically it .
E: So . Egocentric two - point , egocentric three - point , or you can have allocentric .
E: So , " as seen from the church , the town hall is right of that um , fire station " .
B: Oh , OK .
E: aa - huh <comment> It 's hardly ever used but it 's w
A: I 'd love to see it if you if you have a copy kind of .
C: Yeah .
C: I see this is this is getting into Ami 's thing .
B: Yeah .
A: Uh .
B: Mm - hmm .
C: He 's he 's very interested in that .
A: Here
E: OK .
C: So .
C: Uh . Yeah .
B: Me too .
C: Well , why don't you just put it on the web page ?
C: There 's this EDU C: Right ?
E: Yeah
E: it 's or or just E: Yeah .
E: It 's also all on my my home page at EML .
C: Or a link to it .
E: It 's called " An Anatomy of a Spatial Description " .
C: Just
E: But I 'll send that link .
A: OK , great .
C: Maybe just put a link on .
E: Yep .
C: Yeah .
E: Yep .
C: By the way , there something that I didn't know until about a week ago or so , is apparently , there are separate brain areas for things within reach , and things that are out of reach .
C: So there 's there 's uh all this linguistic stuff about you know , near and far , or yon and and so forth .
B: Huh .
B: Mm - hmm .
C: So this is all This is There 's this linguistic facts .
C: But apparently , the Uh . Here 's the way the findings go .