A: Yeah .
C: you have the biggest uh A: Oh , well uh I've seen it done before .
A: Do you know th like the the bigger rem uh universal remotes , they have d L_C_D_ displays ,
B: Yeah .
A: but then it's very functional to indicate which what uh uh device you are controlling .
A: So it's that that's what I've seen .
D: Yeah , that's true ,
C: Yes , you can put uh a little L_C_D_ display on it with uh with lots of information .
D: if you uh Yeah .
A: But it just it j it doesn't doesn't match with the our whole basic concept .
C: But uh I haven't thought about it .
C: But whe but when you put a a a transparent uh plastic uh uh screen on top of it , it i it isn't vulnerable .
A: Well yeah , yeah , okay . That's maybe not the most important ,
C: You can throw with it and A: but it's just B: Is it fashion ?
C: When when you put uh maybe a colour L_C_D_ t uh screen on it , it's very special and very trendy to have uh a remote control from A: I don't think so .
B: I don't know .
B: That's not up to you . That's up to market if i if it's trendy .
A: Yeah , well do you ha do you have to  You haven't looked after the trendiness of L_C_D_ displays , have you ?
D: No . C: B:   Because our our motto is we put fashion D: Well , I think it's uh I think it's pretty trendy , to be honest ,
D: uh but um I don't know if if if D: well , I'm coming back to the costs again , but I think uh we gotta build a b pretty cheap design to to stay within our limits .
D: And I think uh especially colour L_C_D_ , which is indeed pretty trendy . But I don't think Uh , I think it will be too expensive .
C: But uh I've got a the email with uh with the possibilities . And L_C_D_ was a possibility for the remote control .
A: B: A: Yeah yeah yeah .
C: So why don't we use it .
D: Uh , did it say a price also uh for for uh monogramme uh L_C_D_ or uh coloured L_C_D_ ?
A: Yeah , but we're gonna if it B: Yeah , if you want to be trendy you have to be coloured .
B: Coloured D: Yeah really ,
D: if y if you c i
B: If you have black and white or something , or grey , that's D: I in in two thousand and four you can't uh put something on the market which is a monogramme .
A: Then uh then you better don't yeah , d
A: B: D: Really . C: No , but it doesn't sa say anything about a colour or C: But , mm , I alf I also got a possibility to put uh a scroll button on it .
C: But C: A: Uh uh I really don't feel the whole idea of an L_C_D_ display .
C: I didn't think that  D: A: I'm sorry .
A: It can't co you cannot convince me .
A: I don't know how well how to with you guys , but A: I don't really feel it .
A: We already we're uh B: It's too much uh maybe uh with with the L_C_D_ and the docking station and A: Yeah , we already have the the th th th base station gadgets ,
D: Yeah .
A: and want and it uh uh , do A: it has to be a simple design , which sturdy , which soft C: Yes , but o on the D: W we've we've gotta find a balance , of course .
B: With one thing special .
D: And I think B: Not a whole package of specialty .
A: I don't think A: I j uh ,
A: and really , I don't see how the the L_C_D_ display is gonna add anything , you know , on a design level .
A: Uh , I think it's slicker to have no L_ CEDs .
C: No , when y
A: Y we want to C: But it look A: it's simplicity , w you have two big buttons and you can do whatever you want with these two buttons , so you don't need an L_C_D_ .
C: Yes , but that remote controls are already on the market . The simple A: It doesn't fit in our philosophy uh behind the whole remote .
C: Yes , but but when you want to have something special A: Yeah , but we already have the docking station , which is C: Yes , but you had a picture of it from another company .
D: We have a pear .
B: And uh the A:  It has to be developed ,
B: Yeah . C: C: A: but no , but it that's  C: A: that's our that's our killer feature .
B: It's just an it's just an idea .
D: A: That's our what makes it special .
B: It's a it's C: Yes , it was already made . Tha the remote control on the docking station .
A: Yeah , we're gonna develop our own r n docking station .
B: True .
D: Is that so ? Was it  it wasn't just a prototype ?
C: Yes , he have a picture of it .
B: Well uh I uh B: Yeah , I dunno .
A: C: D: Exactly ,
C: D: I've never seen it in a store .
B: A: Uh , but re we really have to cut this off ,
A: I re I know you I I I I A: I get the idea you really like it , you know , the the L_C_D_ thing , but I I think it's it's not a good idea , and we have already mentioned all the arguments .
A: I don't uh ,
A: do you guys agre How do you guys think ?
A: I d
B: No , it's too much .
D: I think it's a little too much , yeah .
B: It's overdone .
A: Okay , we s skip the L_C_D_ display .
C: Okay .
B: D: Okay .
C: A: I'm sorry ,
C: B: Democratically .
A: maybe you can do something if we are at your own place , or make it make it make it happen in your basement or something .
D: No .
B: D:  .
C: Mayb D: C: I will rule the world with it . A: But A: Probably so .
D: Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .
A: Okay .
A: But for the technical part .
A: The m material , I think uh it was a good idea to use the plastic and uh the rubber . Uh
C: Yes , maybe a bit of a cushion is A: Yeah yeah yeah , p Exactly .
A: This is what it w Yeah , but it it was already what we're uh we're after , you know , to give it uh , you know , the soft touch in your hands
D: Yeah , for the spongy uh feel . Yeah .
C: Yes .
B: With a spongy Bob feel .
B: Yeah .
A: and also to , know , like A: Yeah , that is y the b airbag kind of thing .
C: Like a b
C: yes .
A: You can st throw it at your little brother's head .
D: Yeah , airbag .
B: Yeah , you just can drop it . Yeah .
D: If you drop it if you drop it the airbag comes out , yeah . B: Yeah . A: Yeah . No no no , not that comfy .
D: C: Maybe it C: but then we have to look that it uh w uh will not um be too childish to see .
A: Yeah yeah . Yeah . Okay , that's a that's a good point .
A: And that's why I like the dark t col dark colour bit , you know ,
D: Yeah .
A: because it may be the design uh , it's uh maybe it is a bit of the B: But not black I think .
A: it's a bit nineties maybe , what we're what we're up to rat fun to this point .
D: No .
B: Well if if it's fruit and vegetables , it have to be colourful .
A: Yeah , that's that's true , but but it has to be a little big solid .
D: Yeah , b yeah , that's what w I I was pointing at .
B: But can we ge uh uh A: It mustn't be too , n you know , th too overwhelming ,
A: then when you put it on your just B: Can we combine it or something ? Uh with uh yellow and black ?
A: Yeah .
A: Yeah , maybe so .
B: Make it a bee ?
D: What ?
B: A bee . D: Oh , a bee . Oh . A: No , uh I don't like the yellow and black combination .
A: But it is our company colours . Apparently . C: Yes , real real good colours . B: Yeah , it's our yeah . We we have to use yellow .
D: Yeah .
A: D: Hmm .
C: Hmm .
A: I don't like yellow ,
A: and uh maybe I don't know .
D: Well , we can as as I
C: But that's not really fruity .
D: draw really nicely over there .
D: We can put the logo on our uh on our base station .
D: Uh , yeah . And maybe very very tiny on the remote control itself .
A: But D: But , i
A: Okay , but what uh , what are other tef technical things we have to discuss ?
B: C: Uh fronts
A: C: of the C: We can have uh different uh uh fronts of the
A: Should we do that ?
C: telephone .
A: I don't think you we should do that .
A: Maybe just bring it out in different colours ,
B: Different fronts .
A: but not af that you can switch fronts afterwards , that's also too much .
D: Yeah . I guess that's that's enough .
A: People don't wanna spend more money on their remote control , I guess .
D: That's way too Nokia .
B: Yeah .
B: Uh , you can you can l uh let choose the customer which colour he wants , yeah .
C: Are these designs ?
A: Yeah , yeah .
D: Yeah , definitely . Just bring more designs on the market .
B: Yeah , Three three or four uh four uh colours , or something like that .
A: But uh , without gon uh
D: Why not , yeah .
A: okay .
A: So , are we through the technical part then ?
C: Yes .
A: Okay .
A: So we uh agreed upon uh n uh well , not u unanimously or how you call it , but Yeah .
C: It this a real uh young young and dynamic uh uh styles .
B: Well , yeah ,
B: the B: Three to one .
B: That's A: The materials you uh mentioned in your your personal preferences were all were quite okay .
C: Yes .
A: O o only only the last point your B: And tita uh titanium , is uh is is it a no ?
C: Yes ,  A: no titanium's not not out of question , I guess .
B: Is C: But also w
B: It's just like that , th this titanium .
C: Yes , b bu but when we use s soft
A: But is it possible to use both the the plastic and so uh soft things and t p titanium , as well ?
C: mm D: Sure .
A: Makes it in a homogeneous uh design .
C: Mm .
B: No , not all , not all of them .
C: But it it then it uh you can't throw it it . It will uh make a huge noise or break other stuff
A: C: when you throw with uh titanium  with your remote control .
A: It will it will break other stuff w when it's plastic , as well .
B: D: C: No uh ,
A: Yeah . C: titanium is a bit uh it's a bit harder .
D: Yeah , that's true .
A: No , but uh uh , you should ma Yeah .
C: But also on the colours , the young A: Okay , think of the possibilities and make it in completely titanium .
A: Well would it be more trendy ? More chic ?
D: Yeah , I think it I think it does .
B: Uh , I think titanium nowadays is way more often used than plastic .
C: Yes , but a titanium remote control , when you're uh watching T_V_ uh or your hands are a little bit sweaty , and the B: In trendy things .
D: Yeah , o
D: On the other hand , if you want to make fruit fruity stuff with uh B: Yeah .
B: It's cold in the winter . C: Yes . A: Yeah , but I I really like the idea of the the the plastic and the big kind of thing .
B: Yeah .
A: But the question is i then it's , you know , is is it fits in our s philosophy to make it uh sturdy and simple and uh , know , like uh D: Yeah , that's true , that's true .
C: Sports and gaming . Define
A: When you make it titanium , it becomes more like some kind of gadget you actually don't need .
A: And when it's big and plastic , it's like some fun stuff you can always have around .
A: It's always fun to have something big and plastic around .
D: Yes . Yeah .
B: You have that uh M_P_ three player of Nike , I saw .
B: Isn't that titanium with a little bit of rubber ?
C: Yes , it's w but it is uh plastic .
B: Isn't it B: Is plastic ? Well , it's titanium looking .
C: Yes , w we can do that on the on the D: What ?
B: Yeah , he is . Here he is .
B: Uh , the I don't know if you know the M_P_ three player of Nike .
B: 'Kay , uh that that's very uh with rubber , so it's very
D: Oh , yeah . Okay , yeah .
A: Yeah , that's beautiful .
D: Yeah , I see .
C: We can make this as a style too .
D: Yeah , but but but B: rough .
C: Uh , this is uh just a A: Oh , maybe th maybe this is an  D: Yeah , I th I think that's difficult ,
D: because uh that's different material , and then you gotta have like uh uh uh two material lines of of of C: No , we c we can make it from the same kind of plastic .
D: Yeah , if it's just a colour uh which you uh which you change then , I guess it's it's nice to have one of these .
D: Uh C: Uh A: No , I do like the idea of maybe a t titanium kind type of body w and then with s plastic colouration around it .
A: You know , like the the soft stuff ,
D: Yeah .
A: but I don't know if it's possible .
C: I don't have the information . Uh , I I didn't got it A: But you can't make the plastic give uh the ti titanium look .
B: True .
C: Yes .
A: But make it just like shiny .
D: Mm-hmm .
B: Yeah yeah , true .
A: Maybe we should uh shou
C: Like the M_P_ three player .
B: Yeah , maybe that's good idea , yeah .
B: But if you want to la uh yeah , last longer than two weeks or something like that , you can maybe D: Yeah .
A: And uh and
D: A: maybe we sh should we t I don't know if we should talk about uh ,
A: how how much time have we got left ?
C: Uh , in a lot of other uh
B: I don't know .
B: What time does A: Forty minutes .
C: in a lot of other product uh categories like uh even in b in bags industry . Uh , they began with uh t typical uh leather bags , but then they became stylish , with all all si all sort of colours ,
C: and w kind of fon of uh of fronts , like we can use on the telephone and it D: Yeah .
A: Okay .
C: Like Eastpack uh began a revolution with it with all this uh kind of bags and and colours and and A: You putting in different colours .
C: Yes , and and styles .
A: Okay .
C: They have uh also uh a kind of uh um
C: uh roses on it ,
C: a and uh D: Uh yeah , yeah .
A: Okay . Yeah , but w yeah .
B: A: Well , it is . It's a possibility .
A: But , let's think about the bas
C: Then we can always uh use the same design for a greater resemblance , but with new uh with new colours , new D: Yes .
D: New prints on it . Yep .
A: Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .
C: yes .
A: But wha th our basic idea y I mean , you gonna we're probably gonna have like two type of materials , like the d d b the plastic uh enclosure and then the the pads that surround it .
A: And and pro and lights . We have to incorporate the lights too .
A: But , uh do w gonna gonna are we going to give it a two-tone colour look , like the the plastic mould is in in one colour and the s the cushion pads around it are in another colour ?
A: Is that the idea ? Is that a good idea ?
D: How do you mean ?
D: Th th the uh base in a in another B: The rubber .
A: How many colours are we how many colours are we gonna we're uh uh f uh f
A: Only five minutes left , by the way .
D: Yes .
A: How many colours are we gonna give it ?
A: Like two-tone colour ? T
C: There there are three uh components three components type .
B: Yeah . Uh no , not too much I think .
C: You have the buttons , the the case uh itself , and the rubber and th
D: How the buttons yeah .
A: I think maybe the case itself should be in one colour and then the rubber of the buttons , and the cushions as well should be in another colour .
C: Yes .
B: Or you just make uh one colour , uh maybe with a a z a kind of like a big wave or something like uh D: Yeah .
A: Okay , but not more than B: In in another colour .
A: Well , yeah , it's  B: Not more than two colours I think .
A: No .
D: No , definitely not .
B: It's a g a little bit too flashy .
A: Maybe we should talk about it on a l in a later meeting .
D: Yes , definitely .
C: Yeah , or or when you use the buttons as black , it you can use two colours as well uh A: Okay .
A: But we have to uh think of some other uh important things .
C: A: Uh oh yeah , the the functionalities of the the buttons .
B: The funct yeah , I was I was thinking about th the st do we still want a joystick idea .
A: No .
D: No , I think that's too vulnerable .
A: B: Yeah .
A: I think this is okay ,
A: the A: so we have the basic .
A: Then we have the numbers . We have the power button . We have we have a teletext button .
B: The volume , teletext and A: And maybe want to access a a menu or something .
D: Yeah , but that's that's I was thinking that's gotta be on the television .
A: Most T_V_s have a menu .
B: A: Yeah , but I think you ha I really need a menu button .
B: Yeah yeah yeah yeah , b
A: That's just i the only button only B: Yeah , but wha what kind of menu ?
A: You know , I B: Is uh isn't that different from every television ?
A: No , I think most T_V_s have an uh a menu nowadays to access the uh uh screen settings . And so D: Mm .
D: Yeah , if it's c if D: Yeah , I think it's okay to to add a menu button for uh B: A: But that that covers all the all the other settings . It covers everything then .
D: and if the T_V_ doesn't have a menu , then C: But then you have to put uh up and down and uh left and right D: Yeah .
D: Yeah , you can put that on the two eight four and six or whatever .
A: No , you can use the A: And you al can also use the normal skip buttons for that .
C: Okay .
A: Th in that way we have like only the numbers , the power button , skip and volume , and then uh uh ten uh rem
D: Mm , yeah .
D: A mute and a teletext and a menu .
A: uh yeah , mute . A teletext and a menu , and then then i that's it .
B: Mute .
D: That's all .
A: It's all we need .
B: Yeah .
D: Hmm .
A: Okay , uh another stuf some stuff about the the the design of the docking station .
D: Great . Yeah .
B: Okay , that's not mu not much functions . So A: Something important about a s uh , no , uh which sh uh
A: should remind us of the remote itself , I guess .
D: Yeah , definitely .
A: Uh , in one colour .
D: Are we gonna do something with the uh spongy thing there ?
A: Just use A: I think the spongy thing already um comes forward in the in the in the cushions , pads and things on the s uh side .
C: Uh D: Yeah , that's true , that's true .
A: And we will make it spongy and A: and uh and uh well , the fruity thing is just the shape should be fru i did A: I think this is kind of fruity , you know . Just round shapes with uh B: D: Yeah , it's kinda fruity , and with th with catchy colours uh uh w
A: Yeah , but we're gonna have to we really have to think A: I think colours is very important , because it has to be flashy , but and but it d it doesn't have to be annoying ,
A: that when you uh , know ,