Project Manager: and uh now with David .
Marketing: User Interface: I think I'm cool .
Marketing: It's a shame the cable wasn't just in the middle  of the table ,
Project Manager: I know it'd be handy , wouldn't it .
User Interface: Marketing: huh ? Just um Industrial Designer: Oops .
Project Manager: Do y do you wanna sit in the the line of sight of this um Industrial Designer: Yeah okay . Let me just get this going first .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Ah there it is . Project Manager:   Marketing: It takes a second , doesn't it ?
Industrial Designer: 'Kay , that should be it . Okay um I guess the same thing again , I started with something very basic .
Marketing: Industrial Designer: So just so you guys have some idea of what's involved in my process , um and then you can just work through it
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: and we 'll either modify it or start from scratch um depending on what your needs are . Um the components are exactly the same .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Um I think , like what you guys said , um the most input that's needed is basically in the user interface . The rest of the components um they do have an impact in terms of cost and complexity . Um like you said time to market was a problem , um and how many components are physically in there in cost . And the power is basically a factor of that . Um and the lower components , the power , the logic , the transmitter , and the infrared , um they affect you in terms of the size of your device , um and that would have some inte impact on how y I think more how you hold rather than um the actual use using the the remote control because um like we've said we've defined , like we only want the basic things that to be visible , and the rest of them we try to hide . So um you know it's just a matter of working out space .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: So I guess three things , um cost , um complexity , and the size . These are the three things that um will have an impact on you . So just go through it in the components . Um these are the options that are available to you , um I'm not very sure about the voice thing 'cause I got another email and it was in fact quite sketchy on what n the voice options are .
User Interface: Right .
Industrial Designer: Um it said it could talk to you , but it never said anything about being able to listen . I it said something about a sensor but never clarified that .
Marketing: Mm .
Industrial Designer: So maybe if you Project Manager: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: well I could see the other email that they sent you , um 'cause they got back to me with like different requirements , or different offerings of what components availa Okay so your basic components are buttons ,
User Interface: Right .
Industrial Designer: okay and you have a wheel available , like a mouse scroll wheel ,
Project Manager: Mm .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: okay there's an L_C_D_ display ,
Marketing: Industrial Designer: um I think these are quite standard things .
Marketing: They're standard , aren't they ?
Industrial Designer: No um they're well in the sense that these are all the options available for you . I'll explain to you the complexity and the cost thing again a bit later .
Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Okay um then there's um how the case actually looks . It can actually be flat or it can be curved , um and then the different types of materials that you can use , um I don't think you can use them in a combination , um but um
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: I could check back for you , but I don't think you can actually use them in a combination .
Project Manager: We you couldn't have like plastic and rubber ?
Industrial Designer: Um I think plastic and rubber would be fine , but plastic , rubber , and wood , I wasn't I'm not very sure about the titanium .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: They had some restrictions on using the rubber and the titanium .
Marketing: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: Um the rubber was a restriction on the kind of power source you could use ,
Project Manager: Mm 'kay .
Industrial Designer: but the titanium had a different kind of things on the shape of the thing ,
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: so I think that there is some restriction on um I think you could probably group plastic and rubber together , wood and titanium ,
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: but you know it might be easier from a cost perspective and a complexity just to use one .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: You know as opposed to two .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Um and the other components are logic chips , um again I'll I'll go back to the component chips . The com how complex or how easy the logic is , it depends on how many functions you have on the on the unit um and that impacts cost . Um I don't think the logic chip has a issue about size 'cause they should be about the same size .
Marketing: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Power consumption should be about the same . Um I think the main impact is complexity ,
Marketing: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: um and the other thing is um the power options . Um the first one is a standard battery . Okay the second one I think is more of a gimmick then actually a useable thing , it's a wind-up you know , a crank .
Project Manager: I'll clear one of these things for you . Just by moving it yeah .
Marketing: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: Yeah but that that might be something  I think that's more of a look and feel decision because I don't think you can have one power source if you're using the alternative power sources . I think whatever it is you still need a battery 'cause I don't think anybody wants to keep doing one thing .
Project Manager: Mm .
User Interface: Marketing: No .
Industrial Designer: Okay the other ones are a solar powered cell ,
Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: which may not be a great idea in Europe or any country that has seasons 'cause half the year you'd be dead .
User Interface: Industrial Designer: So like what I said , you probably need like a battery and something else .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Um and the kinetic one I guess for me is the most interesting one
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: because it's movement and people like to fiddle with their and it's a nice sales gimmick I think .
Project Manager: Mm .
Industrial Designer: From a marketing gimmick it it's a technology thing ,
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: it's a shake it it doesn't work , shake it , knock it or something . You know
Project Manager: W yeah .
Industrial Designer: you know
Marketing: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: you have you had those balls , you know those stress balls where you bounce the ball and it and it lights up and it goes ,
Project Manager: Uh yeah yeah , I see .
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: Marketing: Industrial Designer: you know that might be a gimmick combined with rubber .
Marketing: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: You know just to if you get frustrated wi remote control you can throw it ,
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: kind of you know just uh you know um so . Um okay
User Interface: Project Manager: I know what you mean yeah .
Marketing: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: my from my role , I don't think that personal preferences but role preferences , I think um something comfortable to hold , um small and slim
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: I guess that's more in the sense of small and slim in terms of comfortable not so small you can't , you know like a phone or something , too small phone .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Um and the other thing is from a production point of view um the less components we use and the simpler the components means you reduce your cost and you increase your profit . Um and also the time to market and the complexity of developing designing and debugging it um so .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: Mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Um okay let me just go back and talk about some of the restrictions .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Um The user interface restrictions basically means that if you use more complicated features , like the buttons are standard okay , the L_C_D_ panel and the scroll wheel you need more complicated logic . Um the case okay with a rubber case you can't have the solar panels .
Project Manager: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Okay with the titanium case , let me just check that um ,
Marketing: Industrial Designer: titanium case can't be curved , it has to be square .
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Okay um there's no restriction on the plastic , and
Marketing: It can't be curved .
Industrial Designer: it can't be curved on the wood .
Marketing: Okay .
Industrial Designer: So that's again , I don't think you can use them in a combination , um especially the titanium
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: I I suspect they're very fixed to a particular need .
Project Manager: Right .
Industrial Designer: So um mixing them may not be a good idea um yep . That's it .
Project Manager: Okay . Right can I Marketing: Uh question on can I ask a question ?
Project Manager: Yeah well yeah it's just I'm quite keen to get the discussion going with the time we've left so but yeah you c ask away .
Marketing: Okay . Can we uh power a light in this ? Can we get a strong enough battery to power a light ?
Industrial Designer: Um I think we could because the L_C_D_ panel requires power , and the L_C_D_ is a form of a light
Project Manager: Mm .
Marketing: Okay .
Industrial Designer: so that Marketing: So maybe one of the things we can just try and include is a really good battery .
Project Manager: Why what kind of light do you want are you thinking of ?
Marketing: Well I mean I'm thinking it might be That for uh this to be a high-tech thing it's gonna have to have something high-tech about it
Project Manager: Uh-huh . Yeah .
Marketing: and that's gonna take battery power , and to make that to make that a realistic goal I think one of the issues that will come up later is , can the battery power it ?
Industrial Designer: Are you thinking are you thinking of of a light in the sense of um a light light , or a light in the sense of it glows kind of you know Frankenstein , it's alive .
Marketing: Illuminate the buttons . Yeah it glows . Well m I'm thinking along the lines of you're you're in the dark watching a D_V_D_ and you um you find the thing in the dark and you go like this ,
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Marketing: and that's what everybody does . Oh where's the volume button in the dark ,
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: Yeah yeah yeah .
Marketing: and uh y you just touch it , or you just pick it up , and it lights up or something .
Project Manager: Like a phone yeah , like the backlight in a phone .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Marketing: Like a phone , yeah yeah .
Project Manager: Okay cool .
Marketing: Whereas with phones , people charge them once a week .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Marketing: We're gonna need to put in a really good battery so people don't have to charge their r remote control every few days .
Industrial Designer: Um that's why I think the option of the the kinetic thing which basically means as long as you shake it like a watch , like an automatic watch
Project Manager: Mm .
Marketing: But are people gonna wanna shake their movie controller ?
Industrial Designer: um it's probably sensitive enough when you fiddle it .
Marketing: Right .
Industrial Designer: So you could trigger that to a light ,
Project Manager: Mm .
Marketing: Sure .
Industrial Designer: like I said the bouncing ball thing , or you could trigger that to use that to power the light
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: as opposed to Marketing: Okay .
Industrial Designer: so when they pick it up , right , and then that that sorta triggers the
Marketing: Right .
Project Manager: Okay .
Marketing: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Right
Industrial Designer: glowingness .
Project Manager: okay um well Marketing: Okay , great .