Professor E: Yeah .
Grad C: D you want me to grab one ?
Postdoc F: Sh - sh well I could I 'm closer .
Grad C: Yeah , but you 're wired
Postdoc F: I could Grad C: aren't you ?
Postdoc F: Yeah . That is true .
Professor E: Um . Yeah , I mean I don't wanna fool them ,
Postdoc F: I don't know Professor E: I just meant that e every ev any time you say anything to anyone there is in fact a a bias that is presented ,
Postdoc F: Oh yeah yeah oh I know .
Professor E: right ?
Grad C: " If you agree to participate you 'll have the opportunity to have anything ex anything excised , which you would prefer not to have included in the data set . "
Professor E: of and Postdoc F: Yeah that 's true . Yeah .
Grad C: " Once a transcript is available we will ask your permission to include the data in the corpus for the r larger research community .
Professor E: Yeah .
Grad C: There again you will be allowed to indicate any sections that you 'd prefer to have excised from the database , and they will m be removed both from the transcript and the recording . "
Postdoc F: Hmm . Well that 's more open than I realized .
Grad C: Well , I mean it The one question is definitely clear with anything as opposed to just what you said .
Professor E: I PhD A: Yeah .
Professor E: Yeah , uh no that it tha
Postdoc F: Tha - that 's true . That 's more severe , but the next one says the transcript will be around .
Professor E: that 's right .
Postdoc F: And it doesn't {comment} really say we 'll send it to you , or wi it 'll be available for you on the web , or anything .
PhD B: I think it probably leaves it open how we get it to them .
Professor E: I I Postdoc F: At least it more often . Yeah . It means also we don't have to g To give it to them . I mean like like Morgan was saying they they Grad C: They just have to make sure that it is available to them .
Postdoc F: It 's available to them if they ask for it .
Professor E: Yeah , OK , so . wh um I think I have an idea that may be sat may satisfy both you and me in this which is , um , it 's a it we just go over carefully how these notes to people are worded . So I I just want it to be worded in such a way where it gives the strong impre it gives very , I mean nothing hidden , v very strongly the bias that we would really like to use all of these data .
Grad C: Right .
Professor E: That that we really would rather it wasn't a patchwork of things tossed out ,
Postdoc F: Good .
Professor E: that it would be better for , um , our , uh , field if that is the case . But if you really think something is gonna And I don't think there 's anything in the legal aspects that that is hurt by our expressing that bias .
Postdoc F: Great . Great , great .
Professor E: And then then my concern about which Postdoc F: Yeah . I agree .
Professor E: you know you might be right , it may be it was just paranoia on my part , uh but people just See I 'm @ @ worried about this interface so much fun that people start bleeping stuff out {comment} just as just because they can .
Grad C: It 's just a check box next to the text , it 's not any fun at all .
Professor E: Yeah . Well I don't know . I kind of had fun when you played me something that was bleeped out . You know .
Grad C: Well , but they won't get that feedback .
Professor E: I
Grad C: All no because it doesn't automatically bleep it at the time .
Professor E: Oh they won't ?
Grad C: It just sends me Professor E: Oh good . So you haven't made it so much fun .
Grad C: Right .
Professor E: Oh good .
Grad C: It just sends me the time intervals .
Professor E: OK ,
Grad C: And then at some point I 'll incorporate them all and put bleeps . I mean I don't wanna have t ha do that yet until we actually release the data
Professor E: Yeah .
Grad C: because um , then we have to have two copies of every meeting and we 're already short on disk space .
Professor E: Yeah .
Grad C: So I I wanna I just keep the times until we actually wanna release the data and then we bleep it .
Professor E: OK . Alright , so I think Yeah so if we have if i Again let 's you know , sort of circulate the the wording on each of these things and get it right ,
Grad C: Well since you seem to feel heart uh , strongest about it , would you like to do the first pass ?
Professor E: but but OK . Uh , fair enough . Turn about is fair play ,
Postdoc F: Al - Also it ther there is this other question , the legal question that that Adam 's raised , uh about whether we need a concrete signature , or email c i suffices or whatever
Professor E: Sorry .
Grad C: Yeah .
Postdoc F: and I don't know how that works . i There 's something down there about " if you agree to "
Professor E: I 'm I 'm I 'm I thought I I thought about it with one of my background processes
Grad C: I don't think so .
Professor E: and I uh it 's uh it 's uh , it 's fine to do the email .
Postdoc F: Ah . Fine .
Grad C: Yeah because thi th they 're signing here that they 're agreeing to the paragraph which says " you 'll be given an opportunity . "
Professor E: OK .
Postdoc F: Good . OK .
Professor E: Yeah .
Grad C: And so I don't think they need another signature .
Professor E: And Well and furthermore I it 's now fairly routine in a lot of arrangements that I do with people on contracts and so forth that that uh if it 's if it 's that sort of thing where you 're you 're saying uh " OK I agree , we want eighty hours of this person at such - and - such amount , and I agree that 's OK , " uh if it 's a follow up to some other agreement where there was a signature it 's often done in email now
Grad C: Right .
Professor E: so it 's it 's OK .
Postdoc F: Great .
Professor E: Um .
Grad C: So I guess I probably should at the minimum , think about how to present it in a printed form . I 'm not really sure what 's best with that . The problem is a lot of them are really short ,
Postdoc F: Well Grad C: and so I don't necessarily wanna do one per line . But I don't know how else to do it .
Postdoc F: Well I s I also have this I I think it 's nice you have it uh , viewab her {comment} hearable on the on the web for those who might wonder about um , the non nonverbal side , I mean I I agree that our bias should be as as expressed here , and but I I think it 's nice that a person could check . Cuz sometimes you know you the words on a on the page , come out soun sounding different in terms of the social dynamics if they hear it .
Grad C: Hmm .
Professor E: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm .
Postdoc F: And I realize we shouldn't emphasize that people {comment} you know , shouldn't borrow trouble . What it comes down to but Grad C: Yeah I think actually my opinion probably is that the only time someone will need to listen to it is if the transcript is uh not good . You know , if if there are lots of mumbles and parentheses and things like that .
Postdoc F: Oh , you know , or what if there was an error in the transcript that didn't get detected and there was a whole uh i segment a against some  personal i th
Grad C: Right . That was all mumbled ?
PhD A: Yeah .
Grad C: I think Microsoft is
Postdoc F: Yeah exactly
PhD A: Oh ,
Grad C: Sorry transcribers .
Postdoc F: Or or even  or even {comment} there was a a line you know about how " hmm - mmm - mmm {comment} Bill Gates duh - duh - duh - duh . "
Professor E: Yeah .
Postdoc F: but but it was all the words were all visible , but they didn't end up i some there was a slip in the transcript .
PhD A: Oh , God .
Grad C: They 're gonna hate this meeting .
PhD A: Yeah .
Postdoc F: Yeah that 's true .
Grad C: Actually Liz will like it . You know , but .
Professor E: Liz will like it . We had a pretty strong disagreement going there .
Grad C: Yep , yep , that 's right .
Professor E: Yeah .
Postdoc F: Yeah . So I don't know . I mean , I I guess we 're assuming that the transcript is a close enough approximation and that that my double checking will be so close to absolutely perfect that it that nothing will slip by .
Grad C: Mm - hmm .
Professor E: But it the some something might sometime , and they uh if if it 's something that they said , they might i i I mean , you might be very accurate in putting down what they actually said ,
Postdoc F: Mm - hmm .
Professor E: but , when they hear it , themselves , they may hear something different because they know what they meant .
Postdoc F: I don't know how to notate that .
PhD B: Sarcasm ,
Postdoc F: Yeah , that 's right .
PhD B: how do you how do you indicate sarcasm ?
Postdoc F: Yeah that 's right .
Professor E: No , I 'm serious . So the so i the so we might we might get some feedback from people that such - and - such was , you know , not not really what I said .
Grad C: Yeah . Well that would be good to get , definitely .
Professor E: Yeah , but , Yeah , sure .
Grad C: Just for corrections .
Professor E: Yeah .
Grad C: So um , in terms of password distribution , I think phone is really the only way to do it , phone and in person . Or mail , physical mail .
Postdoc F: Yeah . Or if for leave it on their voice mail .
PhD B: Any sub - word level thing .
Grad C: Any sub - wor Yeah , OK . I mean you could do it with PGP or things like that but it 's too complex .
Postdoc F: You know I just realized something , which is of e th this question about the uh the possible mismatch of I mean i well , and actually also the lawyer saying that um , we shouldn't really have them have the people believing that they will be cleared by our checks . You know ?
Professor E: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc F: I mean . So it 's like i in a way it 's it 's nice to have the responsibility still on them to listen to the tape and and hear the transcript , to have that be the Professor E: Well yeah , but you can't dep I mean , most people will not wanna take the time to do that , though .
Postdoc F: Yeah , OK , fair enough . And they 're s they 're absorbing the responsibility themselves .
Professor E: And they they have to Postdoc F: So it 's not it 's not um Yeah , good .
Professor E: But I mean if you were at a meeting , and and you you don't think , at least , that you said anything funny and the meeting was about , you know , some some funny thing about semantics or something , or uh Grad C: You probably won't listen to it .
Professor E: Yeah .
Postdoc F: It is true that tec that the content is technical , I and so i and we 're not having these discussions which Professor E: Yeah .
Postdoc F: I I mean , when I listen to these things , I don't find things that are questionable , in other people 's speech or in my own .
Professor E: Yeah . You would think it would be rare ,
Postdoc F: Just It should be very rare .
Professor E: I mean we 're not talking about the energy crisis or something , people have Postdoc F: Yeah . Yeah , OK .
Grad C: How about them energy crises .
Professor E: Yeah . I think we 're uh Grad C: Done ?
Professor E: Kind of done . Actually , I was gonna Di - Did you have anything n that 's going on , or Grad D: Not really . No . Um , my project is going along but um , I 'm really just here to um fill the project uh the overall progress . I don't really have anything specific to to talk about .
Professor E: Yeah . That 's fine . I just didn't wanna go by you , if you had something .
Grad D: Oh , OK .
Professor E: You don't have anything to say .
PhD B: No .
Professor E: Nah .
Grad C :
Professor E: Transcribers , he was rattling the b marbles in his brain back and forth just then this this Grad C: Shall we do digits ?
Professor E: Oh yeah .
Grad C: Um , oh by the way I did find a bunch Grad D: It um
Grad C: Uh , we should count out how many more digits to forms do we have back there ?
PhD B: There were quite a few . Uh .
Grad C: That 's what I thought . I f I was going through them all and I found actually a lot filed in with them , that were blanks , that no one had actually read .
PhD B: Mmm .
Grad C: And so we still have more than I thought we did .
PhD B: Oh good .
Grad C: So , we have a few more digits before we 're done .
PhD B: You know having this headset reminds me of like working at Burger King or something .
Grad C: Oops .
Postdoc F: Oh , did you do that ?
PhD A: Burger King
Grad C: I 'd like a burger with that ,
PhD B: No I never did .
Grad C: do you want fries with that ?
Professor E: Wow .
PhD B: But I feel like I could now .
Grad C: And