Professor A: OK - OK . Speaking of action items , can we move on to action items ?
Professor D: Yeah . Mm - hmm .
Grad G: Sure . Can you hand me my note pad ?
Postdoc H: Yeah . yeah .
Professor A: Um , or maybe we should wait until the summary of this until this meeting is transcribed and then we will hav
Professor D: We we had I mean ,
PhD E: Yeah . Then we 'll know .
Grad G: Thanks .
Professor D: somewhere up there we had milestones , but I guess Did y did you get enough milestone , uh , from the description things ?
Professor A: I got Yeah . In fact , why don't you hand me those transparencies so that I remember to take them . eee ,
Professor D: OK .
Professor A: OK .
Professor D: And , you know , there 's obviously detail behind each of those , as much as is needed . So , you just have to let us know .
Professor A: OK . What I have down for action items is we 're supposed to find out about our human subject , um , requirements .
Postdoc H: Good .
Professor A: Uh ,
Grad G: Yep .
Professor A: people are supposed to send me U R for their for web pages , to c and I 'll put together an overall cover . And you 're s
PhD E: Right . We Professor A: Hmm ?
PhD E: we need to look at our web page
Professor A: And and you also need to look at your web page
PhD E: and make one that 's that 's p
Professor A: and clean it up by mid - July .
PhD E: PDA - free .
Grad G: Right .
PhD E: Yeah .
Professor A: Um ,
Professor D: Right .
Professor A: let 's see . Choo - choo - choo . We Grad G: Mailing lists .
Professor A: Mailing list ? Uh , you need to put together a mailing list .
Professor D: Three of them .
Professor A: Uh , I think w
Professor D: Well  I mean ,
Professor A: Yeah .
Professor D: uh ,
Professor A: Um ,
Professor D: mostly together .
Professor A: uh , I need to email Adam or Jane , um , about getting the data . Who should I email ?
Grad G: Uh , how quickly do you want it ?
Professor A: Um .
Grad G: My July is really very crowded . And so , uh Professor A: How about if I just c Uh , Right now all I want I personally only want text data . I think the only thing Jeff would do anything with right now But I 'm just speaking fr based on a conversation with him two weeks ago I had in Turkey . But I think all he would want is the digits . Um , but I 'll just speak for myself . I 'm interested in getting the language model data . Eh , so I 'm just interested in getting transcriptions .
Grad G: Mm - hmm .
Professor A: So then just email you ?
Postdoc H: OK . So y Sure , sure , sure .
Professor A: OK .
Professor D: Wh
Postdoc H: You could email to both of us , uh , just I mean , if you wanted to .
Professor D: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc H: I mean , I don't think either of us would mind recei
Professor A: OK .
Professor D: i
Grad G: That 's right .
Postdoc H: but but in any case I 'd be happy to send you the Professor A: And your email is ?
Professor D: i
Postdoc H: Edwards at ICSI .
Professor A: OK .
Professor D: w
Grad G: Dot Berkeley dot EDU , of course .
Professor A: And then Professor D: In in our phone call , uh , before , we we , uh It turns out the way we 're gonna send the data is by , uh , And , uh and then what they 're gonna do is take the CD - ROM and transfer it to analog tape and give it to a transcription service , uh , that will Grad G: Oh , is this IBM ?
Professor D: Yeah .
Postdoc H: Yeah , using foot pedals
Professor D: Yeah , foot foot pedals
Postdoc H: and Professor D: and Grad G: Uh , so do they How are they gonna do the multi - channel ?
Professor D: See , that 's a good question .
Postdoc H: Yeah . They they don't have a way .
Grad G: I thought so .
Professor D: No , I mean , it 'll be
Postdoc H: But they have a verification .
Professor D: probably about like you did ,
Grad G: Mix ?
Professor D: and then there will be some things you know , many things that don't work out well . And that 'll go back to IBM and they 'll they 'll , uh they run their aligner on it and it kicks out things that don't work well , which you know , the overlaps will certainly be examples of that . And , uh I mean , what w we will give them all of it . Right ?
Grad G: OK . That 's , uh , my question .
Professor D: We 'll give them all the the multi - channel stuff
Grad G: So we 'll give them all sixteen channels
Professor D: and Grad G: and they 'll do whatever they want with it .
Professor D: Yeah .
PhD B: But you also should probably give them the mixed You know , equal sound - level Professor D: Yeah . Good idea .
Professor A: Mm - hmm .
PhD B: I mean , they 're not gonna easily be able to do that , probably .
Grad G: It 's not hard .
Professor D: Well PhD B: Ah , yeah .
Grad G: So .
PhD B: Mm - hmm .
Professor D: It 's also won't be adding much to the data to give them the mixed .
PhD F: But w
PhD B: I
PhD F: It 's not Professor A: Right .
PhD F: Right . It doesn't it isn't difficult for us to do ,
Grad G: Yep . Absolutely .
PhD B: i You should Yeah .
PhD F: so we might as well just do it .
PhD B: You should that may be all that they want to send off to their transcribers .
Grad G: Absolutely . So , sure .
Professor A: OK . Related to to the conversation with Picheny , I need to email him , uh , my shipping address and you need to email them something which you already did .
Postdoc H: I did . I I m emailed them the Transcriber URL , um , the on - line , uh , data that Adam set up , The URL so they can click on an utterance and hear it . and I emailed them the str streamlined conventions which you got a copy of today .
Professor D: Right . And I was gonna m email them the which I haven't yet , a pointer to to the web pages that we that we currently have , cuz in particular they want to see the one with the the way the recording room is set up
Postdoc H: Good .
Professor D: and so on , your your page on that .
Postdoc H: Oh , excellent . Good .
Grad G: And then p possibly Postdoc H: I C - I CC ' ed Morgan . I should have sent I should have CC ' ed you as well .
Professor A: OK .
Grad G: Not an immediate action item but something we do have to worry about is data formats for for higher - level information .
Professor A: OK .
Professor D: Oh , yeah . We were gonna Grad G: Well , or d or not even higher level , different level , prosody and all that sort of stuff . We 're gonna have to figure out how we 're gonna annotate that .
Professor A: Yeah . We never had our data format discussion .
Professor D: Yeah , we w Right .
Postdoc H: Oh , I thought we did . We discussed , uh , musi musical score notation
Professor A: Oh , OK .
Grad G: But that 's not That 's display .
Postdoc H: and and its XML Grad G: That 's different than format .
Professor A: That 's Postdoc H: Well , um Professor A: W My my u feeling right now on format is you guys have been doing all the work
PhD E: Well uh , yeah .
Professor A: and whatever you want , we 're happy to live with .
Postdoc H: Yeah .
Professor A: Um ,
Postdoc H: OK , excellent .
Professor A: other people may not agree with that ,
Professor D: OK . So , what n important thing Professor A: but Cuz I 'm not actually touching the data ,
Postdoc H: Well , it c
PhD E: Right .
Professor A: so I shouldn't be the one to talk . But Professor C: No , I think that 's fine .
Professor D: So a key thing will be that you we tell you
Postdoc H: Great .
Professor A: Yeah .
Professor D: what it is . Uh , we also had PhD F: " Here 's a mysterious file
PhD E: Yeah .
PhD F: and "
Professor D: We also had the , uh , uh that we were s uh , that you were gonna get us the eight - hundred number
Professor A: Oh , yeah .
Professor D: and we 're all gonna we 're gonna call up your Communicator thing and and we 're gonna be good slash bad , depending on how you define it , uh , users .
Professor C: Now , something that I mentioned earlier to Mari and Liz is that it 's probably important to get as many non - technical and non - speech people as possible in order to get some realistic users . So if you could ask other people to call and use our system , that 'd be good . Cuz we don't want people who already know how to deal with dialogue systems ,
Professor A: Yeah . Or , like if you have a Professor C: who know that you shouldn't hyper - articulate , for instance , and things like that .
Professor A: Or , like if you have somebody who makes your your plane reservations for you ,
Professor C: So .
Professor D: Yeah .
Professor A: um , which is
Professor D: Yeah , we can do that .
Professor A: the n
Grad G: Get my parents to do it .
Professor A: Yeah . Yeah . Seriously .
Professor C: Yeah , for instance .
Professor D: Yeah .
Professor C: Your grandmother .
Professor D: Hmm .
Professor A: Yeah . e You know , it could result in some good bloopers , which is always good for presentations . So Um , anyway Professor D: Yeah .
Grad G: I think my father would last through the second prompt before he hang hung up .
Professor A: Mmm .
Professor D: My mother would have a very interesting conversation with it
Grad G: He would never use it .
Professor D: but it wouldn't have anything to do with the travel .
Professor A: OK . Um , other Professor D: OK .
Professor A: Let 's see , other action items . So I have the Professor D: We talked about that we 're getting the recording equipment running at UW . And so it depends , w e e e they 're you know , they 're p m If that comes together within the next month , there at least will be , uh , uh , major communications between Dan and UW folks
PhD E: Yeah . I mean ,
Professor A: I 'm I 'm shooting to try to get it done get it put together by the beginning of August .
Professor D: as to PhD E: we should talk about it , but Postdoc H: Mmm .
Professor A: So , um , you know , if
Professor D: But we have it it 's it 's pretty We don't know . I mean , he he s uh , he said that it was sitting in some room collecting dust
Professor A: We don't know .
Professor D: and and so we don't know ,
Professor A: i It 's probably unlikely that we 'll pull this off ,
Professor D: i e
Professor A: but a at least it 's worth trying .
Grad G: Mm - hmm . What is it ?
Professor D: We don't know .
Grad G: Oh , OK .
Professor D: " Recording equipment . "
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad G: It 's a tape recorder .
Professor D: W We know it 's eight channels . Uh , we know it 's digital .
Grad G: It 's eight tape recorders .
Professor D: We don't even know if there 're microphones . So , we 'll find out .
Professor A: OK . Um , and I will email these notes Um , I 'm not sure what to do about action items for the data stuff , although , then somebody I guess somebody needs to tell Landay that you want the pads .
Professor D: Yeah , OK . I 'll do that .
Professor A: OK .
Professor D: Um , and he also said something about outside there that came up about the outside text sources , that he he may have
Grad G: Mm - hmm .
Professor A: Oh !
Professor D: some text sources that are close enough to the sort of thing that we can play with them for a language model .
Professor C: Hmm .
PhD E: Yeah , that was uh , that was What he was saying was this he this thing that , uh , Jason had been working on finds web pages that are thematically related to what you 're talking about . Well , that 's the idea . So that that that would be a source of text which is supposedly got the right vocabulary .
Professor D: Mm - hmm .
Professor A: Right .
PhD E: But it 's obviously very different material . It 's not spoken material , for instance ,
Professor D: Yeah . But it 's p it might be PhD E: so Professor A: But but that 's actually what I wanna do . That 's that 's what I wanna work with ,
PhD E: OK .
Professor A: is is things that s the wrong material but the right da the right source .
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad G: Yeah .
PhD E: Yeah .
Grad G: Un - unfortunately Landay told me that Jason is not gonna be working on that anymore .
Professor A: Yeah .
Grad G: He 's switching to other stuff again .
Professor A: Yeah . He seemed when I asked him if he could actually supply data , he seemed a little bit more reluctant . So , I 'll I 'll send him email . I 'll put it in an action item that I send him email about it . And if I get something , great . If I don't get something Grad G: Who ? Landay or Jason ?
Professor A: Landay . And , uh , um ,
Professor D: OK .
Grad G: OK .
Professor A: you know , otherwise , if you guys have any papers or I could I could use , uh I could use your web pages . That 's what we could do . You 've got all the web pages on the Meeting Recor
Professor D: Yeah , why search for them ?
Professor A: Yeah !
Professor D: They 're we know where they are .
Grad G: True .
Professor D: Yeah , that 's true .
Grad G: Absolutely .
Professor A: Oh , forget this !
PhD E: Sure .
Grad G: Well , but that 's not very much .
Professor A: I One less action item . I can use what web pages there are out there on meeting recorders .
Grad G: Yep .
PhD E: Right .
Grad G: I mean , that that 's Yeah . Basically what his software does is h it picks out keywords and does a Google - like search .
Professor A: Yeah .
PhD E: Yeah . Yeah .
Professor D: Yeah . So we can we can we can do better than that .
PhD E: We can do that . Yeah .
Grad G: So you could Professor D: Yeah .
Grad G: Yeah .
Professor C: Mm - hmm .
Professor D: There 's there 's some , uh , Carnegie Mellon stuff , right ? On on meeting recording ,
Grad G: Yep .
PhD B: And Xerox .
Professor A: So , there 's there 's ICSI , Xerox ,
Professor D: and PhD B: And there 's You should l look under , like , intelligent environments ,
Professor D: And Xerox . Yeah .
PhD B: smart rooms ,
Grad G: Um , the " Georgia Tech Classroom Two Thousand " is a good one .
PhD B: um Professor A: CMU ,
PhD B: Right . And then Right . J There 's th That 's where I thought you would want to eventually be able to have a board or a camera ,
Professor A: Mm - hmm .
PhD B: because of all these classroom Grad G: Well , Georgia Tech did a very elaborate instrumented room .
Professor A: Mm - hmm .
PhD B: Yeah .
Grad G: And I want to try to stay away from that . So Professor A: OK . Great . That solves that problem . One less action item . Um OK . I think that 's good enou that 's that 's pretty much all I can think of .
Postdoc H: Can I ask , uh , one thing ? It relates to data data collection and I and I 'd and we mentioned earlier today , this question of um , so , um , I s I know that from with the near - field mikes some of the problems that come with overlapping speech , uh , are lessened . But I wonder if Uh , is that sufficient or should we consider maybe getting some data gathered in such a way that , um , u w we would c uh , p have a meeting with less overlap than would otherwise be the case ? So either by rules of participation , or whatever .