Postdoc A: OK .
Grad G: How about channel
Professor C: Yeah , go ahead .
Grad E: We 're recording .
Grad G: Alright .
Professor C: Alright , and no crash .
Postdoc A: Hmm .
Grad E: I pre - crashed it .
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD F: Pre - crashed !
PhD D: It never crashes on me .
Grad E: I think it 's actually PhD D: What is what is that ?
Grad E: it depends on if the temp files are there or not , that at least that 's my current working hypothesis ,
PhD D: Ah .
Grad E: that I think what happens is it tries to clear the temp files and if they 're too big , it crashes .
PhD D: Ah .
PhD B: When the power went out the other day and I restarted it , it crashed the first time .
Grad E: Oh , that 's right .
PhD B: After the power out
PhD D: So then there would be no temp files .
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD D: OK . {comment} Hmm .
Grad E: Uh , no , it doesn't it doesn't clear those necessarily ,
PhD D: Oh wait It it doesn't clear them , OK .
Grad E: so .
Professor C: Hmm , no connection .
Grad E: It 's i they 're called temp files , but they 're not actually in the temp directory they 're in the scratch , so . They 're not backed up , but they 're not erased either on power failure .
PhD D: But that 's usually the meeting that I recorded , and it neve it doesn't crash on me .
PhD B: Well this wasn't Actually , this wasn't a before your meeting , this was , um , Tuesday afternoon when , um , uh , Robert just wanted to do a little recording ,
Grad E: Oh well .
PhD D: Oh Oh , right .
PhD B: and the power had gone out earlier in the day .
PhD D: OK . Huh , OK .
Professor C: I don't know when would be a good excuse for it , but I just can't wait to be giving a talk t and and and use the example from last week with everybody t doing the digits at once .
Grad E: Yeah .
Postdoc A: That was fun .
Professor C: I 'd love to play somebody that .
Postdoc A: That was fun .
PhD D: It was quick .
Professor C: It was . It was really efficient .
PhD B: Talk about a good noise shield . You know ? You wanted to pe keep people from listening in , you could like have that playing outside the room . Nobody could listen in .
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD D: Well , I had this idea we could make our whole meeting faster that way .
Professor C: Yeah . Everybody give the reports about what they were doing at exactly the same time ,
PhD D: And we 'll just all leave ,
PhD B: And then we 'll we 'll go back later and review the individual channels ,
Professor C: yeah .
PhD D: and Grad E: Yep , and then everyone can listen to it later .
PhD B: right ?
Grad E: Yes . Absolutely .
PhD B: If you wanna know what Professor C: Actually isn't that what we have been doing ?
PhD D: Yeah .
Grad E: It 's what it sounds like .
PhD B: Practically , huh . With all the overlaps .
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Professor C: What are we doing ?
Grad E: I Since I 've been gone all week , I didn't send out a reminder for an agenda , so .
Professor C: Yeah , and I 'm just Grad E: Do we have anything to talk about or should we just read digits and go ?
PhD B: I wouldn't mind hearing how the conference was .
Professor C: What conference ?
PhD D: Uh , I had one question about Grad E: Yeah , really . It 's all a blur .
PhD D: Aren't the UW folks coming this weekend ?
Grad E: Yep .
PhD F: No . The next ,
PhD D: Next weekend ?
Grad E: Next weekend , week from PhD F: right ?
Professor C: That is right . The next weekend .
PhD D: Sorry , not not not the days coming up , but PhD F: It 's like the Grad E: A week from Saturday .
PhD D: Yeah ,
Professor C: That 's when they 're coming .
PhD D: within ten days .
Professor C: That 's correct .
PhD D: So , are we do we have like an agenda or anything that we should be Professor C: No , but that would be a good idea .
PhD D: OK .
Professor C: Why don't we w
PhD F: So so the deal is that I can , um , uh , I can be available after , uh , like ten thirty or something . I don't know how s how early you wanted to Professor C: They 're not even gonna be here until eleven or so .
Grad E: That 's good .
PhD F: Oh , OK . So Professor C: Cuz they 're flying up that day .
PhD D: Wait , this is on on Sunday ?
Professor C: Saturday .
PhD D: Or Saturday ?
Professor C: Saturday .
PhD F: Saturday .
Professor C: S Saturday .
PhD D: OK .
Grad E: Well , y
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD F: Mm - hmm .
Grad E: Eurospeech is due on Friday and then I 'm going down to San uh , San Jose Friday night , so , if you know , if we start nice and late Saturday that 's a good thing .
Professor C: No , I mean , they 're flying up from from Grad E: Seattle .
Professor C: down from Seattle .
Grad E: They 're flying from somewhere to somewhere ,
Professor C: Yeah , and they 'll end up here . So b and also Brian Kingsbury is actually flying from , uh , the east coast on that that morning .
Postdoc A: Excellent .
Professor C: So , i I I will be I mean , he 's taking a very early flight
PhD F: Oh .
Professor C: and we do have the time work difference running the right way , but I still think that there 's no way we could start before eleven . It might end up really being twelve . So when we get closer we 'll find people 's plane schedules , and let everybody know . Uh , So . That 's good .
Grad E: But , uh , yeah maybe an agenda , or at least some things to talk about would be a good idea .
Professor C: Well we can start gathering those those ideas , but then we we should firm it up by next next Thursday 's meeting .
Postdoc A: Will we have time to , um , to prepare something that we in the format we were planning for the IBM transcribers by then , or ?
Grad E: Oh yeah . Absolutely .
Postdoc A: OK .
Grad E: So have you heard back from Brian about that , Chuck ?
PhD B: Yes , um , he 's I I 'm sorry , I should have forwarded that along . Uh , oh I I think I mentioned at the last meeting , he said that , um , he talked to them and it was fine with the beeps they would be That 's easy for them to do .
Grad E: Great . OK . So , uh , oh , though Thi - Thilo isn't here , um , but , uh , I I have the program to insert the beeps . What I don't have is something to parse the output of the channelized transcripts to find out where to put the beeps , but that should be really easy to do . So do we have a meeting that that 's been done with ,
Postdoc A: He 's he 's Grad E: that we 've tightened it up to the point where we can actually give it to IBM and have them try it out ?
Postdoc A: He generated , um , a channel - wise presegmented version of a meeting , but it was Robustness rather than EDU so I guess depends on whether we 're willing to use Robustness ?
PhD B: Well for this experiment I think we can use pre pretty much anything .
Grad E: Mm - hmm .
Postdoc A: OK .
PhD B: This experiment of just Grad E: Well we had we had talked about doing maybe EDU as a good choice , though . Well , whatever we have .
PhD B: Well we 've talked about that as being the next ones we wanted to transcribe .
Grad E: Right .
Postdoc A: OK .
PhD B: But for the purpose of sending him a sample one to f
Grad E: Yeah , maybe it doesn't matter .
Postdoc A: Great .
PhD B: I I don't think it matte
Postdoc A: I 'll I 'll I 'll , um , get make that available .
Grad E: OK , and has it been corrected ?
Postdoc A: Oh , well , wait . Um Grad E: Hand - checked ? Cuz that was one of the processes we were talking about as well .
PhD B: Right , so we need to run Thilo 's thing on it ,
Postdoc A: That 's right .
PhD B: and then we go in and adjust the boundaries .
Postdoc A: Yeah that 's right . Yeah , we haven't done that . I I could set someone on that tomorrow .
PhD B: Right .
Grad E: And time how long it takes .
PhD B: OK .
Postdoc A: I think they 're coming PhD B: And we probably don't have to do necessarily a whole meeting for that if we just wanna send them a sample to try .
Postdoc A: OK . What would be a good number of minutes ?
PhD B: I don't know , maybe we can figure out how long it 'll take @ @ to to do .
Grad E: Um , I don't know , it seems to me w we probably should go ahead and do a whole meeting because we 'll have to transcribe the whole meeting anyway sometime .
Professor C: Yes except that if they had if there was a choice between having fifteen minutes that was fully the way you wanted it , and having a whole meeting that didn't get at what you wanted for them It 's just dependent of how much Grad E: Like I I mean I guess if we have to do it again anyway , but , uh
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD B: I guess , the only thing I 'm not sure about is , um , how quickly can the transcribers scan over and fix the boundaries ,
Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .
PhD B: and I mean , is it pretty easy ?
Grad E: I think it 's gonna be one or two times real time at Wow , excuse me , two or more times real time , right ? Cuz they have to at least listen to it .
Professor C: Can we pipeline it so that say there 's , uh , the transcriber gets done with a quarter of the meeting and then we you run it through this other other stuff ? Uh ,
Grad E: Well the other stuff is I B I 'm just thinking that from a data keeping - track - of - the - data point of view , it may be best to send them whole meetings at a time and not try to send them bits and pieces .
Professor C: OK , so . Oh , that 's right . So the first thing is the automatic thing , and then it 's then it 's then it 's the transcribers tightening stuff up ,
Grad E: Right .
Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .
Professor C: and then it 's IBM .
Postdoc A: Mm - hmm , mm - hmm .
Grad E: Right .
Professor C: OK , so you might as well ha run the automatic thing over the entire meeting , and then and then , uh , you would give IBM whatever was fixed .
Postdoc A: And have them fix it over the entire meeting too ?
Grad E: Right .
Professor C: Well , yeah , but start from the beginning and go to the end , right ? So if they were only half way through then that 's what you 'd give IBM .
Postdoc A: OK .
Professor C: Right ?
PhD B: As of what point ? I mean . The I guess the question on my mind is do we wait for the transcribers to adjust the marks for the whole meeting before we give anything to IBM , or do we go ahead and send them a sample ? Let their Professor C: Why wouldn't we s @ @ w i if they were going sequentially through it , why wouldn't we give them I mean i are we trying to get something done by the time Brian comes ?
PhD B: Well I I I mean , I don't know .
Grad E: That was the question . Though .
Professor C: So if we if we were , then it seems like giving them something , whatever they had gotten up to , would be better than nothing .
PhD B: Yeah . Uh . That I agree . I agree .
Grad E: Well , I don't think I mean , h they they typically work for what , four hours , something like that ?
Postdoc A: Hmm , I gue hmm .
Grad E: I think the they should be able to get through a whole meeting in one sitting . I would think , unless it 's a lot harder than we think it is , which it could be , certainly .
Postdoc A: If it 's got like for speakers then I guess I mean if PhD B: We 're just doing the individual channels ,
Grad E: Or seven or eight .
PhD B: right ?
Postdoc A: Individual channels . Yeah .
PhD B: So it 's gonna be , depending on the number of people in the meeting , um ,
Postdoc A: I guess there is this issue of , you know , if if the segmenter thought there was no speech on on a particular stretch , on a particular channel ,
Grad E: Well Postdoc A: and there really was , then , if it didn't show up in a mixed signal to verify , then it might be overlooked , so , I mean , the question is " should should a transcriber listen to the entire thing or can it g can it be based on the mixed signal ? " And I th eh so far as I 'm concerned it 's fine to base it on the mixed signal at this point , and Grad E: That 's what it seems to me too , in that if they need to , just like in the other cases , they can listen to the individual , if they need to .
Postdoc A: And that cuts down the time . Yeah .
Grad E: But they don't have to for most of it .
Postdoc A: Yeah , that 's good . So . Yeah . Good , good , good .
PhD B: I don't see how that will work , though .
Postdoc A: What what aspect ?
Professor C: So you 're talking about tightening up time boundaries ?
PhD B: Yeah .
Professor C: So how do you Grad E: So , they have the normal channeltrans interface where they have each individual speaker has their own line ,
PhD B: Yeah .
Grad E: but you 're listening to the mixed signal and you 're tightening the boundaries , correcting the boundaries . You shouldn't have to tighten them too much because Thilo 's program does that .
Postdoc A: Should be pretty good , yeah .
PhD D: Except for it doesn't do well on short things , remember .
Grad E: Right , so so you 'll have to I PhD D: It will miss them . It will miss most of the really short things .
Grad E: Uh - huh .
PhD D: Like that .
Postdoc A: But those would be those would be PhD D: Uh - huh . It will it will miss Grad E: Uh - huh !
PhD D: Yeah , you have to say " uh - huh " more slowly to to get c
Grad E: Sorry .
PhD D: No , I 'm s I 'm actually serious .
Grad E: I 'll work on that .
PhD D: So it will miss stuff like that which PhD B: I Grad E: Well , so so that 's something that the transcribers will have to have to do .
Postdoc A: Yeah , but presumably , most of those they should be able to hear from the mixed signal unless they 're embedded in the heavil heavy overlap section when in which case they 'd be listening to the channels anyway .
PhD B: That 's that 's what I 'm I 'm concerned about the part .
PhD D: Right , and that 's what I 'm not sure about .
Postdoc A: Yeah , I am too . And I think it 's an empirical question .
PhD B: Can't we uh couldn't we just have , um , I don't know , maybe this just doesn't fit with the software , but I guess if I didn't know anything about Transcriber and I was gonna make something to let them adjust boundaries , I would just show them one channel at a time , with the marks , and let them adju
Postdoc A: Oh they can Grad E: Well , but then they have to do but then they for this meeting they would have to do seven times real time , and it would probably be more than that .
Postdoc A: Yeah , that 's it . Yeah .
Grad E: Right ? Because they 'd have to at least listen to each channel all the way through .
Postdoc A: And if PhD B: But i but it 's very quick ,
Postdoc A: Uh - huh .
PhD B: right ? I mean , you scan I mean , if you have a display of the waveform .
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Grad E: Oh , you 're talking about visually .
Postdoc A: w Well , the other problem is the breaths
Grad E: I just don't think Postdoc A: cuz you also see the breaths on the waveform . I 've I 've looked at the int uh , s I 've tried to do that with a single channel , and and you do see all sorts of other stuff besides just the voice .
PhD B: Uh - huh .
Grad E: Yeah , and I I think that they 're going much more on acoustics than they are on visuals .
Postdoc A: Well that that I 'm not sure .
Grad E: So .
Postdoc A: What you the digital what the digital task that you had your interface ? Um , I know for a fact that one of those sh she could really well she could judge what th what the number was based on the on the waveform .
Grad E: Yeah , that 's actually true . Yeah , you 're right . You 're absolutely right . Yeah , I found the same thing that when I was scanning through the wave form I could see when someone started to read digits just by the shapes .
Postdoc A: Yeah , she could tell which one was seven .
Grad E: Um , maybe .
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Professor C: So I don't I 'm I 'm now entirely confused about what they do .
Grad E: But Professor C: So , they 're they 're looking at a mixed signal , or they 're looking what what are they looking at visually ?
Postdoc A: Well , they have a choice . They could choose any signal to look at . I 've tried lookin but usually they look at the mixed . But I 've I 've tried looking at the single signal and and in order to judge when it when it was speech and when it wasn't ,
Grad E: Oh .
Postdoc A: but the problem is then you have breaths which which show up on the signal .
Professor C: But the procedure that you 're imagining , I mean , people vary from this , is that they have the mixed signal wave form in front of them ,
Postdoc A: Yes .
PhD F :
Postdoc A: Yes .
Professor C: and they have multiple , uh , well , let 's see , there isn't we don't have transcription yet . So but there 's markers of some sort that have been happening automatically ,
Postdoc A: Yes .
Grad E: Right .
Professor C: and those show up on the mixed signal ?
Postdoc A: Oh ,
Professor C: There 's a @ @ clicks ?
Grad E: N the t
Postdoc A: they show up on the separate ribbons . So you have a separate ribbon for each channel ,
Professor C: There 're separate ribbons .
Grad E: Right .
Postdoc A: and and i i it 'll be because it 's being segmented as channel at a time with his with Thilo 's new procedure , then you don't have the correspondence of the times across the bins uh across the ribbons uh you could have Professor C: And is there a line moving across the waveform as it goes ?
Grad E: Yes .
Postdoc A: Yes .
Professor C: OK , so The way you 're imaging is they kind of play it , and they see oh this happened , then this happened , then and if it 's about right , they just sort of let it slide ,
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Grad E: Right . Right .
Professor C: and if it if it there 's a question on something , they stop and maybe look at the individual wave form .
Postdoc A: Oh , well not not " look " .
Grad E: Right . Well , they wouldn't look at it at this point . They would just listen .
Professor C: They they might look at it , right ?
Grad E: Well , the problem is that the the interface doesn't really allow you to switch visuals .
Postdoc A: Not very quickly .
Grad E: The problem is that that the Tcl - TK interface with the visuals , it 's very slow to load waveforms .
Postdoc A: You can but it takes time . That 's it .
Professor C: Uh - huh .
Grad E: And so when I tried that that was the first thing I tried when I first started it ,
Postdoc A: Oh , oh . Visually . You can you can switch quickly between the audio ,
Grad E: right ?
Postdoc A: but you just can't get the visual display to show quickly . So you have to It takes , I don't know , three , four minutes to Well , I mean , it takes it takes long enough PhD D: Yeah , it 's very slow to do that .
Postdoc A: It takes long enough cuz it has to reload the I I don't know exactly what it 's doing frankly cuz but it t it takes long enough that it 's just not a practical alternative .
PhD D: That w
Grad E: Well it it does some sort of shape pre - computation so that it can then scroll it quickly ,
Grad G: But you can cancel that .
PhD D: Yeah .
Grad E: yeah . But then you can't change the resolution or scroll quickly .
Grad G: Oh , really ?
Postdoc A: Now you could set up multiple windows , each one with a different signal showing , and then look between the windows .
Grad E: So .
Grad G: Huh !
Postdoc A: Maybe that 's the solution .
Grad E: I mean , we we could do different interfaces ,
Grad G: What if you preload them all ?
Grad E: right ? I mean , so so we could use like X Waves instead of Transcriber ,
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Grad E: and it loads faster , certainly .
Grad G: What if you were to preload all the channels or or initially Grad E: Well that 's what I tried originally .
Grad G: like doesn't Grad E: So I I actually before , uh , Dave Gelbart did this , I did an interface which showed each waveform and ea a ribbon for each waveform ,
Grad G: Mm - hmm .
Grad E: but the problem with it is even with just three waveforms it was just painfully slow to scroll . So you just scroll a screen and it would , you know go " kur - chunk ! "
Grad G: Oh , OK .
Postdoc A: Mm - hmm .
Grad E: And so it just was not doable with the current interface .
Postdoc A: You know , I am thinking if we have a meeting with only four speakers and , you know , you could fire up a Transcriber interface for , y you know , in different windows , multiple ones , one for each channel . And it 's sort of a a hack but I mean it would be one way of seeing the visual form .
Grad E: I think that if we decide that we need that they need to see the visuals , we need to change the interface so that they can do that .
Postdoc A: Yeah . Yeah .
Professor C: So PhD D: That 's actually what I thought of , loading the chopped up waveforms , I mean , you know , that that would make it faster Grad E: An But isn't Grad G: Hmm .
Grad E: The chopped up waveforms .
PhD B: The problem is if if anything 's cut off , you can't expand it from the chopped up PhD D: So .
Grad E: Isn't that Grad G: Right .
PhD D: Right , but if you a at some point Grad E: And wouldn't that be the same {comment} as the mixed signal ?
PhD D: No , I mean the individual channels that were chopped up that it 'd be nice to be able to go back and forth between those short segments .
Professor C: Mm - hmm .
PhD D: Cuz you don't really nee like nine tenths of the time you 're throwing most of them out , but what you need are tho that particular channel , or that particular location ,
Grad E: Yeah .
PhD D: and ,
Postdoc A: Yeah .
PhD D: um , might be nice , cuz we save those out already , {comment} um , to be able to do that . But it won't work for IBM of course , it only works here cuz they 're not saving out the individual channels .
Postdoc A: Well , I I do think that this this will be a doable procedure ,
Professor C: Yeah .
Postdoc A: and have them starting with mixed
Professor C: OK .
Postdoc A: and , um , then when they get into overlaps , just have them systematically check all the channels to be sure that there isn't something hidden from from audio view .
Grad E: Yeah . Yeah , hopefully , I mean The mixed signal , the overlaps are pretty audible because it is volume equalized . So I think they should be able to hear . The only problem is is , you know , counting how many and if they 're really correct or not . So , I don't know .
PhD D: I don't know that you can locate them very well from the mixed signal ,
Grad E: Right but but once once you know that they happen , you can at least listen to the close talking ,
PhD D: but you would know that they were there , and then you would switch . Right . And then you would switch into the other Grad E: so .
Professor C: But right now , to do this limitation , the switching is going to be switching of the audio ? Is what she 's saying .
Postdoc A: Yeah .
Grad E: Right .
Professor C: So Grad E: Right , so so
Professor C: so they 're using their ears to do these markings anyway .
Grad E: did Dave Did Dave do that change where you can actually just click rather than having to go up to the menu to listen to the individual channels ?
Postdoc A: Yes . Yes .
PhD D: Yeah .
Postdoc A: Click Um ,
Grad E: I had suggested it before . I just don't know whether he did it or not .
Postdoc A: I 'm not sure what click what click on the ribbon ? Yeah , you can get that Grad E: Yeah .
Postdoc A: oh , oh , get you can get the , uh you can get it to switch audio ? Uh , not last I tried ,
Grad E: Yeah .
Postdoc A: but , um , maybe he 's changed it again .
Grad E: We should get him to do that because , uh , I think that would be much , much faster than going to the menu .
Postdoc A: I disagree . There 's a reason I disagree , and that is that , uh , you it 's very good to have a dissociation between the visual and the audio . There 're times when I wanna hear the mixed signal , bu but I want to transcribe on the single channel . So right now Grad E: Then maybe just buttons down at the bottom next to it .
Postdoc A: Maybe , I just don't I don't see that it 's a Grad E: Just something so that it 's not in the menu option so that you can do it much faster .
Postdoc A: Well , I mean , that 's the i I I think that might be a personal style thing . I find it really convenient the way the way it 's set up right now .
Grad E: Well it just seems to me that if you wanna quickly " well was that Jane , no , was that Chuck , no , was that Morgan " , right now , you have to go up to the menu , and each time , go up to the menu , select it , listen to that channel then click below , and then go back to the menu , select the next one , and then click below .
Postdoc A: That 's fine . Yeah , it 's true .
Grad E: So you can definitely streamline that with the i with the interface .
Postdoc A: Yeah , it could be faster , but , you know , I mean , th in the ideal world Yeah .
Grad E: What ?
Postdoc A: No I I agree that 'd be nice . Yeah . OK .
Grad E: OK .
Professor C: So , um , Done with that ?  Does any I forget , does anybody , uh , working on any any Eurospeech submission related to this ?
Grad E: I would like to try to do something on digits but I just don't know if we have time . I mean , it 's due next Friday so we have to do the experiments and write the paper . So , I 'm gonna try , but , uh , we 'll just have to see . So actually I wanna get together with both Andreas and , uh , uh , Stephane with their respective systems .
Professor C: Yeah . Yeah there was that we that 's right , we had that one conversation about , uh , what what what did it mean for , uh , one of those speakers to be pathological , was it a Grad E: Right , and I haven't had s chance to sit down and listen .
PhD F: Oh , I haven't I haven't listened to them either ,
Grad E: I was going to do that this afternoon .
PhD F: but there must be something wrong , I mean ,
Grad E: Well , Morgan and I were were having a debate {comment} about that .
PhD F: unless our Grad E: Whereas I think it it 's probably something pathologic and actually Stephane 's results , I think confirm that . He s he did the Aurora system also got very lousy average error , like fifteen or or , uh , fifteen to twenty percent average ? But then he ran it just on the lapel , and got about five or six percent word error ? So that that means to me that somewhere in the other recordings there are some pathological cases . But , you know , we th that may not be true . It may be just some of the segments they 're just doing a lousy job on . So I 'll I 'll listen to it and find out since you 'd actually split it up by segment .
Professor C: Right .
Grad E: So I can actually listen to it .
PhD F: Yeah .
PhD B: Did you run the Andreas the r SRI recognizer on the digits ?
Grad E: Oh , I thought he had sent that around to everyone ,
PhD F: Yeah .
Grad E: did you just sent that to me ?
PhD F: No , I d I didn't .
Grad E: Oh .
PhD F: Since I considered those preliminary , I didn't .
PhD B: I it wasn't PhD F: But , yeah , if you take Grad E: It was bimodal .
PhD F: So if you Yeah , it 's actually , um , it uh it was trimodal , actually Grad E: Oh , was it trimodal , OK .
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD F: trimodal , so
Professor C: There 's zero , a little bit , and a lot .
PhD F: there were  t there was there was one h one bump at ze around zero , which were the native speakers ,
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD B: Zero percent error ?
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD F: the non - pathological native speakers .
Professor C: Y yeah .
PhD F: Then there was another bump at , um ,  oh , like fifteen or something .
PhD B: This is error you 're talking about ?
Professor C: Oh was it fifteen ?
PhD F: whe
PhD B: OK .
Professor C: Yeah .
Grad E: Yeah .
PhD F: Yeah . Those were the non - natives . And then there was another distinct bump at , like , a hundred , which must have been some problem .
Postdoc A: Oh , wow ! Oh , OK .
PhD F: I can't imagine that Grad G: What is patho what do you mean by pathological ?
Grad E: Just just something really wrong with Grad G: I 'm sorry , I don't Grad E: A bug is what I mean ,
PhD F: In the recording
Grad G: Oh .
Grad E: so that it 's like Grad G: Oh , OK .
PhD F: And there was this one meeting , I forget which one it was , where like , uh , six out of the eight channels were all , like had a hundred percent error .
Grad G: I see .
Grad E: Which probably means like there was a th the recording interface crashed ,
Grad G: Right .
Grad E: or there was a short you know , someone was jiggling with a cord
PhD F: But Grad E: or , uh , I extracted it incorrectly ,
PhD F: But Grad E: it was labeled Grad G: Mm - hmm .
Grad E: it was transcribed incorrectly , something really bad happened , and I just haven't listened to it yet to find out what it was .
Grad G: OK .
PhD F: So , if I excluded the pathological ones , by definition , those that had like over ninety - five percent error rate , and the non - natives , then the average error rate was like one point four or something ,
Professor C: What we 're calling .
Postdoc A: Oh . Oh .
PhD F: which which seemed reasonable given that , you know , the models weren't tuned for  for it .
Grad G: Hmm !
Professor C: Yeah .
PhD F: And the grammar wasn't tuned either .
PhD B: And it didn't matter whether it was the lapel or whether it was the PhD F: It was just a @ @ . I haven't split it up that way ,
PhD D: But there 's no overlap during the digit readings , so it shouldn't really matter .
PhD F: but it would be PhD B: Yeah .
PhD F: Right .
Grad G: Right .
Professor C: No , but there 's a little difference ,
PhD F: So it should Grad E: There 's a lot .
Professor C: and we haven't looked at it for digits ,
Grad E: Yeah .
Professor C: right ?
PhD B: Yeah , so I was curious about that .
Professor C: And so , cuz because what he was what I was saying when I looked at those things is it it I was almost gonna call it quadrimodal because  because there was a whole lot of cases where it was zero percent .
PhD F: Mm - hmm .
Professor C: They just plain got it all right . And then there and then there was another bunch that were couple percent or something .
PhD F: Yeah . But if you p if you actually histogrammed it , and it was a nice uh , you know , it it was zero was the most of them ,
Professor C: Yeah .
Grad E: A normal . Yeah .
PhD F: but then there were the others were sort of decaying from there .
Professor C: Yeah , yeah .
PhD F: And then there was the bump for the non - natives and then the pathological ones ,
Professor C: I see . I see .
PhD F: so .
Grad E: Yeah , cuz some of our non - natives are pretty non - native . So .
Postdoc A: You did you have , uh , something in the report about , uh , about , uh , for f uh , forced alignment ?
Professor C: Yeah .
Postdoc A: Have you have you started on that ?
PhD F: Oh , well , yeah , so I 've been struggling with the forced alignments . Um .  So the scheme that I drew on the board last time where we tried to , um allow reject models for the s speech from other speakers , um ,  most of the time it doesn't work very well . So , um , and the I haven't done I mean , the only way to check this right now was for me to actually load these into X Waves and , you know , plus the alignments , and s play them and see where the Professor C: Hmm .
PhD F: And it looks And so I looked at all of the utterances from you , Chuck , in that one conversation , I don't know which You probably know which one I mean , it 's where you were on the lapel and Morgan was sitting next to you and we can hear everything Morgan says .
Postdoc A: Hmm .
PhD F: But and and some of what you I mean , you also appear quite a bit in that cross - talk . So , I actually went through all of those , there were I think fifty - five segments , um , in in X Waves , and and sort of did a crude check , and more often than not , it it gets it wrong . So there 's either the beginning , mostly the beginning word , where th you , um , you know , Chuck talks somewhere into the segment , but the first , um , word of what he says , often " I " but it 's very reduced " I , " that 's just aligned to the beginning of someone else 's speech , uh in that segment , which is cross - talk . So , um , I 'm still tinkering with it , but it might well be that we can't get clean alignments out of this out of those , uh , channels , so .
Professor C: Unless maybe we do this , uh , um , cancellation business .
PhD D: Right , but that 's I mean , that was our plan ,
PhD F: Yeah , right .
PhD D: but it 's clear from Dan that this is not something you can do in a short amount of time .