B: we uh need some uh new a attractive functions
B: uh uh which attract uh uh people for using it .
B: So uh
B: it's uh like a speak uh speech uh recognition and um a special button for selecting uh subtitles .
B: Just uh what we uh mentioned uh last uh meeting .
B: Um and yeah
B: overall um user-friendly .
B: So uh
B: using uh large large buttons . Um B: It's uh possible to uh uh to make um quite cheap uh system for uh speech uh recognition .
B: Um you can think about um uh when you lost your um remote control , you can uh call it and um it gives an um sig signal .
B: So uh uh yeah .
B: And and uh for uh shifting up a sen uh c ch channel or uh for um uh putting out uh sound or something , you can uh just give a sign uh say um sound off
B: or A and
B: uh yeah .
B: Television uh put the sound off uh put the sound off uh . Um B: Let's see . Uh yeah .
B: I was thinking about the special uh button for uh subtitles ,
B: um just one button to keep it uh simple .
B: Uh one push on the button uh you get uh uh small uh subtitles .
B: Um double push push um , if double click , um so uh you get uh big uh subtitles , for uh people uh um uh which c f uh who can't uh read small uh subtitles .
B: So uh Um Yeah
B: and w we have to keep uh in general buttons
B: uh so um
B: we've got um the buttons we have to use . The on-off , sound on-off , sound higher or lower , um the numbers , uh zero to uh uh nine . Um the general buttons m more general b one button for shifting up and shifting down uh channel .
B: Um also we want to uh use a little d display uh for um for displaying the uh the functions of the buttons .
B: And um we can uh build in a function f which uh shows the channel or some uh which the t television is on .
B: So um
B: made a little uh picture of uh it .
B: Um See . Um yeah .
B: Just um we can put uh the on-off button uh over in this uh corner ,
B: um almost uh e all uh remote controls uh are using a on-off button on that place .
B: Um so uh people uh will uh recognise uh um the button .
C: B: So um B: D display uh of it , it's uh just a small display .
B: Uh um you can put it uh on top .
B: Um it's uh most uh uh place where people uh , most of looks at .
B: So uh um
B: and a special uh button for shifting up uh and uh shifting down uh channel , um it's uh on place where um the thumb of of the B: So you you can uh easily uh shift up or shift down .
B: Um it's uh quite uh handy place .
B: So um and uh
B: all the f functions for subtitle uh one button , uh for sound uh B: Uh and uh for our design , um uh we have to discuss about it uh I think uh so uh the form of it
B: so A: Okay .
B: And that's it .
A: Uh thank you . C: Okay .
C: About the components design .
C: Um for the energy source we can use a basic battery
C: or , a as an optional thing , a kinetic energy , like in a watch ,
C: which you just shake and it produces energy .
C: But if we choose for that option , the docking station would c become obsolete .
C: So I don't think it's really an option .
C: Uh for the casing , uh the uh manufacturing department can deliver uh a flat casing , single or double curved casing .
C: It's really up the the design that we're gonna use .
C: It's uh doesn't uh imply any technical restrictions .
C: Uh as a case supplement , we could um , I thought of that l later , uh a rubber uh belt , like a anti-slip .
C: Uh for the b buttons , we can use plastic or rubber .
C: And the chip-set , um it says simple here ,
C: but it should be advanced ,
C: because we're using an L_C_D_ uh screen .
C: And as uh the trend-watcher presentation showed , um people like wood ,
C: but it raises the price
C: and it doesn't really fit the image , unless we would start two product lines .
C: Form should follow function overall .
C: Um well the kinetic energy source is rather fancy .
C: But depends on what we want .
C: I think we should disc discuss that .
C: Um for the case , uh the supplement and the buttons , it really depends on the designer .
C: And the chip-set uh really should be advanced
C: because otherwise uh it would really be a simple uh remote control .
C: And that's it .
A: Okay .
A: Thank you .
A: So
A: that brings us to the discussion about our concepts .
A: Mm .
D: A: 'Kay . So
A: these are the points we have to discuss .
A: Um first I think we can talk about the energy source ,
A: since that's um has a pretty big influence on production price , uh and image .
B: A: Uh so
A: uh f I think first of all we have to see uh it is possible to introduce kinetic energy in our budget , I think .
C: Yes
C: w
C: there there are four options .
C: We could use the basic normal battery .
A: Yeah .
C: Uh a hand dynamo .
C: But I don't think that's really an option .
A: Okay . B: D: C: You don't wanna swing before you can watch television .
A: A: Yeah .
C: Uh solar cells .
C: But not every room is very light
B: Mm .
C: so it's not a very good option .
A: No .
C: Or the kinetic energy .
A: Yeah . Okay .
D: And how exactly does the kinetic energy work ?
C: Well
D: You just C: y you basically shake your remote , and then it powers up .
D: You use it and it works .
B: C: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
D: Okay .
B: Nah .
D: Well
D: personally I don't think that older people like to shake their remote control before they use it .
B: C: Yeah . That's true .
D: And besides that you mentioned it would make the docking station obsolete .
C: Oh .
D: And I think our docking station could be one of the marketing issues with which we can um
D: get great popularity for our product .
A: Yeah .
B: But
D: Um wel
B: what's the function ?
B: Yeah f for loading up uh the batteries
B: .
D: Yeah
D: you could load up the batteries ,
B: B b
D: you could um insert the find the lost remote control function in there .
B: Okay
B: but uh it won't use uh much e energy uh I I believe .
B: Uh it's uh just a small display
B: so I believe uh it will run on one battery for um six months or f or or more .
B: So I believe one battery uh is just enough .
A: Uh B: Uh so A: Uh well
A: I think uh elderly people just like to have everything in place .
D: That's true . A: And I don't think they they like uh remotes just laying everywhere in their rooms .
B: Okay .
A: So maybe a docking station will help them give the remote a place .
B: Yeah . That's true . Yeah .
A: And also what you said . Um you can introduce voice recognition by uh finding back your remote .
B: Mm-hmm .
B: Yeah .
A: But I think it's um more efficient and cheaper to put it in the docking station .
A: So you have a but button on your docking station which you can push , and then it starts beeping .
B: Okay .
A: And then we can we can still use the voice recognition , but maybe then for only the the channels .
B: Yeah .
B: Uh .
A: That's safe .
D: I'm wondering um what will the voice recognition mean for the production price ?
A: Yeah . That's a good point .
C: Mm I don't have any information on pricing .
C: So I'll have to ask the manufacturing department .
B: Mm .
D: 'Cause in our earlier um market research ,
D: if you'd allow me to go to the flat board , SMARTboard .
A: Yeah , sure . Go ahead .
D: Um so
D: it was open here .
D: Um we also um asked if w they would , if people would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control .
D: Well
D: you can see here , our target group would not do that .
A: No .
D: So if that would increase the price for which we're selling our remote control
B: Mm .
D: I would greatly advise not to do it .
A: Yeah .
D: I think that would be better to uh insert in our other product , that is meant for the
B: A: Yeah .
D: younger people .
C: But that would also go for the L_C_D_ screen then I guess .
B: 'Kay .
C: It's a bit higher percentage ,
C: but D: Um well
D: this is
D: Yeah
D: but this is
D: here the question was , would you prefer it .
D: So that doesn't really mean they wouldn't pay extra for it .
D: And on top of that the L_C_D_ screen would um help in making the remote control easier to use .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
D: And I think a voice recognition function would not make the remote control much easier to use .
C: Okay .
A: Easier to use ?
A: No ,
A: I think that's a good point .
B: But uh is uh our uh research um about um bi large uh L_C_D_ sh uh display , or uh just a small one uh we want to uh use ?
D: Um well
D: this was for like an L_C_D_ screen like you would have on a on the the most advanced mobile phones .
B: Okay .
D: So pretty large .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
A: I personally think the L_C_D_ screen we wanna use , with the extra information , I think nobody has anything against it .
A: Because it's just uh some extra information ,
B: No .
A: and it's easy to ignore as well .
B: Yeah .
A: So if you don't wanna use it you just don't use it .
A: And um yeah
A: I think the um A: Maybe we have to uh discard the voice recognition .
A: Because it will increase cost uh signifi uh significantly .
A: And I don't think the I don't think it will be a lot easier to use , as well .
B: Yeah .
A: So
A: that brings us back to the energy .
A: If we don't have the voice recognition , it will it won't use a lot of energy to use . Um B: Mm-hmm .
A: So
A: in that case we could use kinetic uh energy ,
A: but I think just a simple battery which you can reload on a docking station is just as good .
A: And much cheaper as well .
B: Yeah .
A: So C: And that's the best choice .
A: Okay
A: let me just choose for the battery .
A: That brings us to the chip .
C: Well
C: there isn't any choice there
C: because we're using the the the the display .
A: Just the advanced .
C: So it's gotta be advanced .
A: Okay
D: 'Kay .
A: , advanced chip .
A: And then we get to the point of the case .
A: Um which brings us a little bit back to marketing as well .
A: Uh if we wanna choose for wood or the black and grey . Or both ?
A: Um as we saw there is not A: Yeah
A: wood is a lot more expensive to produce .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Um but I think it will attract elderly people who wanna have something exclusive ,
A: which they can show off to their grandkids .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Look I've got a new remote control , and uh C: D: Well
B: Uh I dunno .
D:  And I think most important factor there is the wooden colour .
D: So it wouldn't actually have to be wood ,
A: Yeah . That's right .
D: if it's just
D: wood-coloured .
B: Mm .
A: But with colour was a lot more expensive ? Or ?
C: Mm I dunno .
A: You don't know ?
C: I'll have to uh research .
A: I think so
A: because A: Yeah .
D: Probably .
B: Mm .
A: It's a lot more difficult to to handle and to to get in the right shape .
B: Uh is it possible uh to make um changeable uh case .
B: So um uh
B: you 'cause
B: uh Yeah
B: with uh mobile phones uh uh so uh like the Nokia mobile phones , uh when you can change the case of it .
A: Yeah .
A: Change the cases . Yeah .
B: So
B: maybe it's possible uh possibility .
B: So um um
B: you have just to make one um standard um remote control ,
B: and um yeah you can sell uh few uh A: You can sell the cases .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
A: I think that's a very good option .
A: Because um then you can advertise as well
A: with the A: Give your grandfather a new case for his remote control , or whatever . B: Yeah .
C: D: A: Because that's a it's something extra ,
A: it's something other remotes don't have ,
B: Yeah .
A: which we can get a great advantage point .
D: Yeah that is true .
A: So
A: and then you can make them with colour . Black and grey , other colours as well .
B: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
D: We would have to look carefully into the design though .
A: Costs .
D: 'Cause we would have to make one w uh control which would fit in with a wooden cover and a plastic cover . The more original one , or the more standard one .
A: Yeah .
A: Yeah . So
D: So that would A: you suggest we should design two different telephones
A: on which you can apply , yeah remote controls , on which you can apply different case covers , for example .
D: Well
D: I wouldn't design a telephone
C: D: but  B: D: Well
D: no
D: I think w we should just , we should then just design one um
A: Remote .
D: one remote ,
D: but it would have to be fancy with either the wood cover or the plastic one .
A: Yeah .
A: Okay .
D: So ,
D: but that shouldn't be too much of a problem .
A: So
A: everybody's okay with the changing covers ?
C: Yes .
A: I think that's a good uh good option .
B: Yeah .
A: Changing case covers .
D: Um I heard our Industrial Designer talk about uh flat , single and double curved .
C: Yes .
A: Yeah .
D: Could you explain that a little more ?
C: Well
C: the the general like most older remotes are flat , just straight .
D: Mm-hmm .
C: And uh our d manufacturing department can also deliver single curved or double curved ca curved cases .
D: And what would single curved and double curved mean ?
C: Um it would just only affect the form , for as far as I know .
C: So
C: it's j really just up to the design department what we're gonna use .
D: Okay .
C: It doesn't really matter for the price or the functionality .
D: So
D: we can pretty much just do whatever we want .
C: Pick one you like ,
C: yes .
A: Mm . Okay .
D: 'Kay .
D: That's good .
A: Uh but the form has to be um It has to A: It's has to be possible to stand up ?
A: Or just only to lie down ?
D: No
D: just to lie down .
B: okay .
A: And the the cover of the the docking station is also
D: We'll go for that .
A: on top of the television then ? Or not ?
D: Well
D: or besides it .
A: And you can just yeah then click it in .
A: That's okay .
A: Um so
A: the interface . What type of interface do we want to use ?
A: Um maybe you can make a little drawing of it on the
D: D: Mm-hmm .
A: on the the board .
B: Mm .
A: Does somebody have ideas for a form
A: or
B: Uh we can just use the regular form of it ,
B: but it's um not quite uh fancy .
B: So um B: Yeah .
D: Um you uh said you wanted to put the um changing channels button on the right side ,
D: so you could , so your thumb would be easily B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
D: Well uh
D: I think that was a very good point
D: 'cause I pointed out earlier that a lot of remotes cause R_S_I_ .
D: So that would be great for that .
B: D: Um I thought maybe we could just make one of those buttons on both the left and the right side .
B: For uh Uh for D: For left-handed users also .
B: Yeah yeah .
A: Yep .
B: Mm .
B: Yeah
B: we
B: Is it possible to um program it s so uh you got on the left side uh or on the right side uh buttons for for shifting u up and shifting up ? And on the uh other uh uh o other side uh buttons for uh shifting , uh for for the sound ?
D: For the volume .
B: Or Or isn't it ?
D: Um well
A: Mm .
D: that could
D: Yeah
D: we could do that
D: but I'm not sure if that would be very good for the easy , ease of use .
A: Usabili
A: Yeah ease of use will be a lot more difficult ,
B: Yeah okay .
A: and then it's B: Uh .
A: D: But if we would make um a changing channels and changing volume button on both sides , that would certainly yield great options for the design of the remote .
B: Mm .
D: 'Cause it could be made all symmetrical and stuff .
B: Yeah
B: but A: But you have extra buttons .
B: B: Yeah .
A: So people can get confused .
B: Yeah .
D: That is true .
B: Yeah .
A: Especially if they have the same writings on it .
B: See um yeah .
B: Or we have to make a left uh For lefties
A: Can't we make uh Can't we make a remote which you can flip over and use on the same
B: and  B: Um A: functions as the normal one ?
B: B: You mean um A: Then you have to B: Yeah
B: if A: Let's see if I ca
A: A blank one .
A: And then you get A: Here's a little L_C_D_ screen .
A: Uh now I have to think .
A: It's a plus and a min .
A: No it's not very handy I think .
B: Mm no .
A: Because the plus and the min will be opposite
A: and all kinds of B: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
D: A: No that's not gonna work . I guess .
A: Maybe we should B: Um A: Yeah .
A: But is it a problem that left-handed persons use a different hand ?
A: I think the functions are
A: that basic that nobody should have any problems with uh choosing a channel
D: Yeah . That is true .
A: or B: Yeah .
B: It's just uh u using uh your thumb .
A: Y yeah . Yeah .
B: So um
B: it's A: I think we could just uh leave it a normal shape .
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
A: Uh but maybe we have to make it a l a bit more fancy . In one or ano another way .
B: Yeah .
B: Um C: I think we should start by by choosing a case .
C: Because that's the basis you're building on .
B: Yeah yeah .
A: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
A: Um yeah
C: So
C: I could draw them out .
A: just C: Let's look at the flat case .
C: Oh .
C: It's from the side
C: so it's rather normal .
B: Mm-hmm .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Yeah .
C: The the single curved so I'm not really sure what they're gonna look like , but I think it's something like this .
C: So
C: this type should be better for you
C: or better Should prevent repetitive strain injury a bit .
A: Easier ?
C: And the double curved s looks something like this I guess .
B: Mm .
C: So
C: th those are the three options we have .
A: 'Kay .
D: Mm .
A: I suggest um the single curved ,
A: because maybe the curve is pretty good to put the the screen in .
B: A: Uh so that elderly people can uh use the remote control
A: and at the same time look easily at the screen ,
A: because it's a bit , it has a bit of a angle .
B: So um B: Do you say this
B: um S uh Uh
B: you got like uh sort of a I believe  There ?
D: Mm-hmm .
B: So um
B: you want to put a display over here ? Or not ?
A: Yeah . I think so . Yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: Um Yeah . Uh
A: But now it's B: we can make it um A: Do you have it upside down
A: or B: Mm ?
A: Do you have it
B: That's the top .
B: So uh
A: this that's top ? Okay .
B: this top .
B: This down .
B: Um maybe it's possible to uh make this side like
B: um Let's see . Um B: Colour uh
B: okay .
B: Uh to make this side um like mm the right colour .
A: B: Um bit like so uh um in the form of your hand .
B: So um B: Uh it's an A: Yeah .
B: So so
B: the remote control have to um lay in your hand .
B: So uh
B: it's possib um yeah for s so and
A: So
A: get your mouse .
A: Yeah .
B: And to put uh the the buttons for um changing uh the channel uh over here uh A: Yeah . That's a good one .
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
A: But I think it's better to put the screen uh on top .
B: Uh rem
A: So
A: just flip it a hundred and eighty degrees around
A: then you get  here .
B: Yeah
B: but this place um A: If you can have this one , you turn it like this .
A: And then flip it upside down .
B: Uh it's B: Yeah
B: I dunno um A: Because uh maybe your hand is in the way , if you have the display here .
B: Yeah .
D: Mm-hmm .
C: It's more logical to have it on top as well
B: C: because , like on your mobile phone , it's always above .
A: I think i
B: Yeah
B: so D: Yeah .
A: On top .
B: So A: Yeah . B: C: Oh
C: maybe you should just s start on a blank page .
A: . So
D: Yeah .
A: then we get A: Here's A: That's the curve .
B: Five minutes . A: Here the display , and then buttons .
A: Yeah
A: and then we can have a little bit off here and here maybe .
A: Just that's for left hand and right hand users .
B: Yeah .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: And then h the rest of the buttons over here .
B: Yeah .
B: But um the on-off button , um still on the top uh A: Yeah still here
B: Yeah .
A: jus
B: Yeah .
A: That's