C: I forget who .
C: Uh .
A: Oh ,
A: isn't Ben ?
D: Ben ?
D: I think it 's Ben actually ,
A: Ben , then ,
A: Ben .
D: yeah ,
B: Ah !
D: um ,
D: giving his job talk I think .
D: um ,
D: Sorry .
D: I was just reading the screen .
A: OK .
C: Oh .
B: Yeah .
A: So the uh A: That will be one one thing we could do .
A: I actually uh , have Um ,
A: also we can uh , start looking at the SmartKom tables
A: and I will B: Right .
A: I actually wanted to show that to you guys now
A: but um .
B: Do you want to trade ?
A: Um , no
A: I I actually made a mistake because it it fell asleep
A: and when Linux falls asleep on my machine it 's it doesn't wake up ever ,
A: so I had to reboot
D: Oh , no .
A: And if I reboot without a network , I will not be able to start SmartKom , because I need to have a network .
B: Uh A: So we 'll do that t maybe uh C: But .
C: OK .
C: But once you start sart start SmartKom you can be on You don't have to be on a network anymore .
C: Is that the deal ?
A: Yep .
C: Ah , interesting .
B: Why does SmartKom need a network ?
A: Um  it looks up some stuff that , you know , is is that is in the written by the operating system only if it if you get a DHCP request ,
A: so it you know , my computer does not know its IP address ,
A: you know ?
B: Ah .
A: You know . So .
A: Unless it boots up with networking .
B: It 's plugged in .
B: Yeah .
A: And I don't have an IP address , they can't look up A: they don't know who localhost is , and so forth and so forth .
D: Hmm .
A: Always fun .
A: But it 's a , um , simple solution .
A: We can just um , go downstairs and and and look at this ,
A: but maybe not today .
A: The other thing um I will A: oh yeah ,
A: OK , I have to report um , data collection .
A: We interviewed Fey ,
D: Mm - hmm .
A: She 's willing to do it ,
A: meaning be the wizard for the data collection ,
A: also maybe transcribe a little bit , if she has to ,
A: but also recruiting subjects , organizing them , and so forth .
A: So that looks good .
A: Jerry however suggested that we should uh have a trial run with her ,
A: see whether she can actually do all the uh spontaneous , eloquent and creativeness that we uh expect of the wizard .
A: And I talked to Liz about this
A: and it looks as if Friday afternoon will be the time when we have a first trial run for the data .
C: So who would be the subject of this trial run ?
A: Pardon me ?
C: Who Will there be a Is one Is you one of you gonna be the subject ?
C: Like are you A: Um Liz also volunteered to be the first subject , which I think might be even better than us guys .
D: Good .
B: One of us ,
B: yeah .
A: If we do need her for the technical stuff , then of course one of you has to sort of uh jump in .
B: I like how we 've you guys have successfully narrowed it down .
B: " Is one of you going to be the subject ? "
B: Is one of you B: jump in .
D: Reference .
D: I haven't done it yet .
C: Well I just figured it has to be someone who 's , um , familiar enough with the data to cause problems for the wizard , so we can , uh , see if they 're you know good .
D: Oh plants ? e u someone who can plant difficult things .
C: Yeah .
C: I mean that 's what we wanna check ,
C: right ?
A: Um ,
D: Well , in this case it 's a p it 's a sort of testing of the wizard rather than of the subject .
C: Isn't that what it is ?
D: It 's uh A: yes w we we would like to test the wizard ,
A: but you know , if we take a subject that is completely unfamiliar with the task , or any of the set up , we get a more realistic
C: I guess that would be reasonable .
D: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
A: you know , set up as B: I know .
B: That 's probably a good enough test of D: Uh - huh .
C: Sort of having an actively antagonistic , uh A: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
D: That might be a little unfair .
D: Um .
A: Yeah .
D: I 'm sure if we uh , D: You think there 's a chance we might need Liz for , whatever , the technical side of things ?
D: I 'm sure we can get other people around who don't know anything um , if we want another subject .
A: Yeah , yeah .
D: You know . Like I can drag Ben into it or something .
D: Although he might cause problems
D: but .
D: So , is it a experimental setup for the um , data collection totally ready determined ?
B: I like that .
B: " Test the wizard . "
B: I want that on a T - shirt .
A: Um I think it 's it 's it 's I mean A: experimental setup u on the technical issue
A: yes ,
A: except we st I think we still need uh a recording device for the wizard ,
A: just a tape recorder that 's running in a room .
D: Mm - hmm .
A: But um in terms of specifying the scenario , um uh uh we 've gotten a little further
D: Mm - hmm .
A: but um we wanted to wait until we know who is the wizard ,
A: and have the wizard partake in the ultimate sort of definition probe .
A: So so if if on Friday it turns out that she really likes it and and we really like her , then nothing should stop us from sitting down next week and <comment> getting all the details completely figured out .
D: Mm - hmm .
A: And um D: OK .
D: So the ideal task um , will have whatever
D: I don't know how much the structure of the evolving Bayes - net  will af affect D: Like we wanna we wanna be able to collect as much of the variables that are needed for that ,
A: Mmm - yea - some .
D: right ?
D: in the course of the task ?
D: Well not all of them
D: but you know .
A: Bu - e e e I 'm even This this Tango , Enter , Vista is sort of , itself , an ad - hoc scenario .
D: Mm - hmm .
D: Mm - hmm .
A: The the basic u um idea behind the uh data collection was the following .
A: The data we get from Munich is very command line ,
A: simple linguistic stuff .
D: Mm - hmm .
A: Hardly anything complicated .
A: No metaphors whatsoever .
D: Mm - hmm .
A: Not a rich language .
A: So we wanted just to collect data , to get that that that elicits more , uh , that elicits richer language .
D: Mm - hmm .
A: And we actually did not want to constrain it too much ,
D: Mm - hmm .
A: you know ?
A: Just see what people say .
A: And then maybe we 'll discover the phenomenon the phenomena that we want to solve , you know , with whatever engine we we come up with .
A: Um . So this this this is a parallel track ,
D: OK .
A: you know , there they hopefully meet ,
D: So in other words this data collection is more general .
A: but since D: It could it could be used for not just this task .
A: It should tell us , you know , what kind of phenomenon could occur ,
A: it should tell us also maybe something about the difference between people who think they speak to a computer versus people who think they speak to a human being
D: Mm - hmm .
A: and the sort of differences there .
A: So it may get us some more information on the human - machine pragmatics , um , that no one knows anything about , as of yesterday .
A: And uh  nothing has changed <comment> since then ,
A: so .
A: Uh . And secondly , now that of course we have sort of started to lick blood with this ,
A: and especially since um  Johno can't stop Tango - ing , we may actually include , you know , those those intentions .
A: So now I think we should maybe have at least one navigational task with with sort of explicit uh
D: Mm - hmm .
A: not ex it 's implicit that the person wants to enter ,
D: Mm - hmm .
A: and maybe some task where it 's more or less explicit
A: that the person wants to take a picture ,
D: Mm - hmm .
A: or see it or something .
A: So that we can label it .
A: I mean , that 's how we get a corpus that we can label .
D: Mm - hmm .
D: Exactly .
A: Whereas , you know , if we 'd just get data we 'd never know what they actually wanted ,
A: we 'd get no cues .
A: Yep .
B: Alrighty .
C: OK .
A: That was that .
B: So is this the official end of the meeting now ?
C: Yep .
D: Looks like it .
C: So what 's " Economics , the fallacy " ?
B: I just randomly label things .
A: Ma
B: So that has nothing to do with economics or anything .
C: Oh , really ?
C: OK .
A: Maybe we ought to switch off these things before we continue .
D: OK .
D: Switching o