Grad E: How exactly does the data collection work ? Do they have a map , and then you give them a scenario of some sort ?
Grad B: OK . Imagine you 're the the subject . You 're gonna be in here , and somebody And and you see , uh , either th the three - D model , or uh , a QuickTime animation of standing u in a square in Heidelberg . So you actually see that . Um . The uh , um , first thing is you have to read a text about Heidelberg . So , just off a textbook , uh , tourist guide , to familiarize , uh , yourself with that sort of odd - sounding German street names , like Fischergasse and so forth . So that 's part one . Part two is , you 're told that this huge new , wonderful computer system exists , that can y tell you everything you want to know , and it understands you completely . And so you 're gonna pick up that phone , dial a number , and you get a certain amount of tasks that you have to solve . First you have to know find out how to get to that place , maybe with the intention of buying stamps in there . Maybe So , the next task is to get to a certain place and take a picture for your grandchild . The third one is to get information on the history of an object . The fourth one And then the g system breaks down . It crashes , And Grad D: a At the third ? Right then ?
Grad B: After the third task .
Grad D: OK .
Grad B: And then Or after the fourth . Some find @ @ {comment} Forget that for now . And then , a human operator comes on , and and exp apologizes that the system has crashed , but , you know , urges you to continue , you know ? now with a human operator . And so , you have basically the same tasks again , just with different objects , and you go through it again , and that was it . Oh , and one one little bit w And uh , the computer you are you are being told the computer system knows exactly where you are , via GPS . When the human operator comes on , um , that person does not know . So the GPS is crashed as well . So the person first has to ask you " Where are you ? " . And so you have to do some s tell the person sort of where you are , depending on what you see there . Um , this is a a a a a bit that I d I don't think we Did we discuss that bit ? Uh , I just sort of squeezed that in now . But it 's something , uh , that would provide some very interesting data for some people I know . So .
Grad D: So , in the display you can Oh , you said that you cou you might have a display that shows , like , the Grad B: Yeah . a Additionally , y you have a a a sort of a map type display .
Grad D: a w your perspective ? sort of ?
Grad B: Uh , two - D .
Grad D: And so , as you Grad B: n
Grad D: Oh , two - D . OK .
Grad B: Two - D .
Grad D: So as you move through it that 's - they just track it on the for themselves
Grad B: Yeah . b y You don't That 's Grad D: there .
Grad B: I don't know . I but y I don't think you really move , sort of .
Grad D: OK . So
Grad B: Yeah ? I mean that would be an an an enormous technical effort , unless we would We can show it walks to , you know . We can have movies of walking , you walking through through Heidelberg , and u ultimately arriving there .
Grad D: Mm - hmm .
Grad B: Maybe we wanna do that . Yeah .
Grad D: Uh , I was just trying to figure out how how ambitious the system is .
Grad B: The map was sort of intended to You want to go to that place . You know , and it 's sort of there .
Grad D: Mm - hmm .
Grad B: And you see the label of the name So we get those names , pronunciation stuff , and so forth , and we can change that .
Grad D: Mm - hmm . Mm - hmm . So your tasks don't require you to I mean , uh yo you 're told So when your task is , I don't know , " Go buy stamps " or something like that ? So , do you have to respond ? or does your Uh , what are you ste what are you supposed to be telling the system ? Like , w what you 're doing now ? or Grad B: Well , we 'll see what people do .
Grad D: There 's no OK , so it 's just like , " Let 's figure out what they would say under the circumstances " .
Grad B: Yeah , and and we will record both sides . I mean , we will record the Wi - the Wizard Grad D: Uh - huh .
Grad B: I mean , in both cases it 's gonna be a human , in the computer , and in the operator case .
Grad D: Uh - huh .
Grad B: And we will re there will be some dialogue , you know ? So , you first have to do this , and that ,
Grad D: Yep .
Grad B: and and Grad D: Mm - hmm .
Grad B: see wh what they say . We can ins instruct the , uh , wizard in how expressive and talkative he should be . But um , maybe the maybe what you 're suggesting Is what you 're suggesting that it might be too poor , the data , if we sort of limit it to this ping pong one t uh , task results in a question and then there 's an answer and that 's the end of the task ? You wanna m have it more more steps , sort of ?
Grad D: Yeah , I I don't know how much direction is given to the subject about what their interaction I mean , th they 're unfamiliar w with interacting with the system .
Grad B: Mm - hmm .
Grad D: All they know is it 's this great system that could do s stuff .
Grad B: Mm - hmm .
Professor C: Oh yeah , but to some extent this is a different discussion .
Grad D: Right ? So Professor C: OK ? So . Uh , we we have to have this discussion of th the experiment , and the data collection , and all that sorta stuff
Grad D: Uh - huh .
Professor C: and we do have , um , a student who is a candidate for wizard . Uh , she 's gonna get in touch with me . It 's a student of Eve 's . FEY , Fey ? Spelled FEY . Do you do you Grad D: Oh , Fey Parrill .
Professor C: You know her ?
Grad D: Yeah . Uh - huh .
Professor C: OK . Sh - Is sh
Grad D: She started taking the class last year and then didn't um , you know , didn't continue . I g She 's a g
Professor C: She 's graduated .
Grad D: Is she an undergradua She is a graduate , OK .
Professor C: Yeah .
Grad D: Yeah , I m I know her very , very briefly . I know she was inter you know , interested in aspect and stuff like that .
Professor C: OK . So , anyway , she 's looking for some more part time work w while she 's waiting actually for graduate school . And she 'll be in touch . So we may have someone , uh , to do this , and she 's got you know , some background in in all this stuff . And is a linguist st and , so So . That 's So , Nancy , we 'll have an At some point we 'll have another discussion on exactly wha t t you know , how that 's gonna go .
Grad D: Mm - hmm .
Professor C: And um , Jane , but also , uh , Liz have offered to help us do this , uh , data collection and design and stuff .
Grad D: Mm - hmm . Mmm .
Professor C: So , when we get to that we 'll have some people doing it that know what they 're doing .

Summary: The computer navigation system will work as follows. The subject of the experiment will familiarize themselves with information about a city. Then, they will be introduced to an advanced navigation system through which they can navigate the city, and they will be given several tasks, like buying stamps. The navigation system will crash, and the subject will be connected to a human operator. Then, the human operator will control the system based on the subject's requests as the subject tries to complete their tasks. Both sides, the assistant and the subject, will be recorded for data collection purposes.