B: so it's quite good if you like searching quite a lot of stuff .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Right .
D: Uh-huh .
B: Do you know , if you're lookin if you're th scrolling through the A_ to Z_ of your music and you're looking for something at T_ , then it's a lot faster than the wheel ,
A: Mm-hmm .
B: but you've got a lot less control over it .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Right .
A: So maybe I should include that here as well ,
D: Mm .
A: L_C_D_s um plus spinning .
C: Yeah .
D: Uh C: Yeah .
D: Okay , and the personal preferences are pretty much the same as as as last time .
C: Mm-hmm .
D: It it has to be small , simple .
D: Okay , we decided to include voice recognition ,
D: so to have the standard uh major buttons like on , off , um ch the channels and and then um volume
D: and then the rest would be a menu on the screen .
D: Um and I I also thought uh if we want to keep it small and nice um
D: and actually I I quite like the idea of a scroll a scrolling button ,
D: I thought it could be for for voice like , I dunno , it mm like on a um i like it used to be on Walkmans or something .
D: There is uh I think there is no reason why we couldn't use something like this for for the remote control .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: Mm-hmm .
D: So yeah , that's uh that's it .
C: Excellent .
C: Okay , straight to trends ,
C: and then we can discuss it all at once .
A: Right .
B: Okay , I've put the copy of the presentation in um the C: The project documents .
B: yeah .
C: Excellent .
C: If you two could both do that as well , in case we need to refer to it .
A: Mm-hmm .
B: Cool .
C: Here it comes .
C: Okay .
B: Fabulous . Okay , cool .
B: Um so what I did was to search the internet to come up with market trends and you know what users are gonna be wanting in the the near future .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: Okay .
B: Right .
B: Now , the first aspect is apparently twice as important as the second aspect , which is twice as important as the third a aspect .
C: Okay .
B: So , I mean the the easy to use thing is fairly low down on the A: Mm-hmm .
B: which I think given the target group is what you would expect , really .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: Um , you know , people want something new ,
B: something technologically innovative and different ,
B: so the whole idea with the L_C_D_s and the spinning and the colours and the voice recognition is quite like , quite the thing to go for .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Okay .
B: And um , yeah it wants to look fancy , fancy look and feel .
A: So um uh maybe uh as you're discussing things , is it okay if we just uh keep highlighting things here ?
B: So C: Yeah , yeah , sure . Yeah .
B: Yeah , yeah .
A: Right . So mm uh so it C: That's over on the interface ,
C: if if you could put A: yeah ,
A: so probably voice recognition is is kind of important , right ?
C: Yeah .
A: Um and an
C: And maybe the L_C_D_ and spinning A: yeah .
C: so that means we need an advanced thing .
A: Okay , I I have a point about L_C_D_ ,
A: I dunno if it is the right point to take it up .
A: W uh L_C_D_s are basically for feedback , right , to the user who's pressing buttons ,
C: Mm-hmm .
B: Mm .
A: and the feedback can come through television itself ,
A: so do we need an L_C_D_ on the remote ?
B: Depends how fast your television runs , really ,
B: don't don't you think ?
B: I mean we've got one of those um Telewest boxes
B: and you put the number in the remote
A: Mm .
B: and then you wait
B: and then it goes to the T_V_
B: and then you wait ,
B: and then it comes ,
B: so i it actually takes quite a long time .
C: Mm .
B: And if you get the number in wrong , then it's a bit of a pain ,
A: Right .
A: B: so I think , you know , a screen on the remote would probably cut down your time on that .
B: But like remotes do tend to get f thrown about a bit .
A: Right .
C: It it is also quite nice though to to have something here so you don't interrupt the picture on the screen ,
B: You know ?
C: so if you're watching something B: Yeah .
A: That's true , yeah ,
B: And i it would be like A: that's also B: I mean if you could make it integrate with the T_V_ then it could come up with new information about what's on ,
B: and you could just see that on the remote rather than C: Yeah .
C: Rather than having to interrupt your viewing pleasure .
B: Yeah .
B: But um I think maybe a way to do it would be a similar way to how you have your mobile phone , you know ,
A: Right .
B: like you have the slidey ones
B: and you have the flippy ones
B: and then the screen's protected so it doesn't actually get scratched .
C: Mm .
A: Mm-hmm .
B: So you can have like what looks like a normal remote control , you know
B: or like a minimalist remote control .
C: Yeah .
B: So you got your buttons one to nine , your on and off and your volume on that
A: Mm right .
B: and then if you want to mess about with it , you flip it open and ,
C: And then you can flip it open .
B: yeah .
A: Okay .
A: So now we seem to have a consensus that L_C_D_s are definitely the way to go
C: Yeah , I think so .
A: because of style and B: Yeah ,
B: so that kind of decides your whole chip thing .
A: Right .
C: Yeah .
A: You you agree ? Maarika , yeah ?
D: Yep , yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: Right .
A: So L_C_D_s , yeah , definitely .
B: Okay ?
A: Go on .
B: Cool .
B: Okay , apparently , fruit and vegetables will be providing inspiration .
C: B: Sorry ,
A: B: I discovered clip art .
B: Um so these will be an important feature for clothes , shoes and furniture .
B: So I mean , I'm taking this to mean , you know , curviness .
B: Do you know ?
B: 'Cause you don't tend to get flat vegetables . You know ?
C: Yeah ,
C: and possibly even uneven ,
A: Mm-hmm .
C: like not not symmet
B: Yeah ,
B: bit of asymmetry and stuff .
C: yeah .
B: But that would be a good way to to get in the whole um R_S_I_ issue in there ,
C: Mm-hmm .
B: because I mean if you think most people use the remote control with their right hand ha right hands
A: Right .
B: so you wanna you curve it so that it's suitable for use with the right hand .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Mm .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: Um yeah
B: , I'm not quite sure about the relevance of material will be spongy .
B: Um C: Something a bit squishy and B: Yeah ,
B: but I mean y you have to A: Yeah ,
A: we we have
D: So it could be like a rubbery A: we have rubber ,
D: yeah , uh-huh .
A: but there is a problem that I forgot to discuss with the um with using B: Well I suppose you wouldn't get a remote uh an electric shock off your remote control if it was made of rubber . C: Yeah ,
C: and it'd help if you drop it ,
C: it protects it as well .
B: Yeah , yeah .
C: To some degree .
A: So if if we use uh latex cases , they won't allow us to use solar cells , as an energy source
A: that is the constraint ,
C: Uh-huh .
A: so um we could use titanium , wood or plastic uh or uh C: Or if we want to use the the latex , then we have to go with one of the other um power things .
B: If it's made of rubber you could get the kinetic energy fairly easily there ,
A: Yeah ,
A: w energy source .
C: From from bouncing it .
B: you could just bounce it up and down .
A: Yeah , tap it on the desk , yeah . C: You can have it as like a little ball to bounce , that flips open . D: B: Yeah . Um so yeah , um okay .
D: A: Mm .
A: So probably double curved surface is the way to go ,
A: yeah , .
B: Yeah , yeah .
C: Mm yeah .
A: Or or curved at one end and flat on the top ,
A: because I I'm not sure if it is flat on both both the sides , then ho how much easy would it be to reach for buttons , etcetera .
A: Um B: You have to have a certain element of flatness , I think .
A: Yeah .
B: It it depends on the whole ergonomics of it , you know ,
B: it's like how you put your hands so y it's the least movement basically .
A: Yeah . Yeah ,
A: singe single side curved or double side curved does not say too much , does it ?
C: Uh-huh .
A: It uh B: No ,
B: I d I don't think it makes a lot of difference .
B: I I have one of those s slidey phones
B: and I mean the back is essentially straight ,
C: Mm .
B: but it's curvy , so .
A: Mm .
A: Uh I think uh B: Besides , you have four sides to a thing ,
C: Yeah , 'cause the B: so I mean does curved one side mean one side is straight
C: Yeah .
A: Right .
B: and , you know curved two sides means the whole thing is just a big curvy p thing ?
A: Right .
C: Dunno .
A: Di now did it say anywhere in your research material about this sliding stuff uh
A: because um according to the information that I have , I think uh the onl only options that we have with the case is are these three .
B: Yeah .
A: Uh eith either we have uh a flat surfaced uh case or a curved surfaced case .
A: It does not say anything about uh whether technically , you know , this this stuff is available at all .
C: Nothing to open them .
B: Yeah .
B: Uh it's it's more about the protecting the L_C_D_ , which I think is where it came from .
A: Right , yeah , yeah .
B: But no , my research didn't tell me anything ,
B: which is why we have all the pictures ,
A: B: 'cause I had nothing better to do with my time .
C: A: Right .
A: Okay .
B: Okay , cool .
C: Anything else ?
C: What've we got ?
B: Uh combine style with a level of functionality ,
B: um beauty and practicality
B: and a thing of beauty and p function .
C: Okay , so .
A: Cool , thanks .
B: Okay ?
D: Thanks
C: Looking at what we've got , we we want an L_C_D_ display with a spinning wheel .
A: Yeah .
A: Let's let's try to r rub off things and C: Yeah ,
C: rub off some of those .
A: yeah ,
D: A: so um A: hand dynamos are definitely out , right ?
C: Yeah ,
A: You you got a wind dynamo , yeah .
D: Yeah uh-hum yeah .
C: it's not that's not streamlined and sexy , having a having a wind up .
A: Okay .
A: Um A: kinetic energy does seem to have some kind of uh uh appeal ,
C: I think tha
A: but uh
B: It's about the practicality of it really , isn't it ? You know ?
A: it's A: Yeah .
A: As against a watch , which constantly keeps moving ,
B: I mean if A: this this thing will have to be tapped every time ,
A: which which might be very frustrating for the user .
C: Depends how much how much movement it really needs .
A: Kinetic energy it needs C: Pr presumably if they're suggesting it , then we could use it .
A: I don't have too much technical information on that ,
A: yeah , right .
A: Okay , let's keep it option uh keep an option ,
C: I'd I'd keep it on .
A: yeah .
A: Um the flat co completely flat case is definitely out , right ?
D: Yeah
C: We don't want that
A: It has to be at least curved from one side , yeah .
C: it's no it's not not vegetable .
D: it's D: yeah .
D: A: Um okay ,
A: we still have all all the options .
A: Wood , do you think wood will be a good idea ?
C: D: N wood is D: I can't n D: how do you
D: uh I mean you can't keep it really small uh
A: Mm .
D: you can't make it like thin and A: Right .
D: The wood thing .
C: Mm .
B: I can't imagine a m wooden remote control .
D: Because you need to you n you need to put all the technology in ,
D: so I mean if the case you add the case and it it becomes a bit bulky
A: Yeah A: if if it is really thin if it is really thin it it's likely to break ,
D: wi mm-mm yeah .
C: Mm .
A: it's it's much more uh D: Yeah , yeah .
C: Yeah ,
D: Yeah .
C: and given that we're we're looking at more spongy material preferences , I ha would think maybe rubber or plastic is more A: D: U yeah wood is not really yeah .
A: Right .
B: Well it's not very cleanable either ,
C: Yeah .
A: That's true .
B: do you know .
D: Yeah .
B: It's it's not a practical B: I mean it's it's alright for a table ,
B: but for a remote control , you know .
A: Yeah .
B: And splinters and stuff and A: Yeah ,
C: Yeah .
A: okay wood is out .
B: It just m doesn't make any sense , I think is the thing with wood .
A: Right .
D: Yeah , yeah ,
D: in the case of remote control not really .
C: Yeah .
A: Okay , now for the really interesting stuff , the interface .
C: Yeah .
A: Right , so uh the the push-buttons is is our expertise uh in the industry ,
A: but uh it seems to be out of trend , you know ,
A: nobody seems to be B: You have to have some push-buttons , don't you ?
D: Yeah , but
D: you um
D: I think for for the channel numb uh channel numbers you still need them , wouldn't you ?
C: Mm-hmm .
B: G
B: yeah , yeah .
A: Mm right .
D: Yeah , so for channel numbers but A: Oh , if if we have L_C_D_ displays , that opens up a whole world , you know ,
A: if you have an L_C_D_ display , then mm you can select almost everything on the L_C_D_ display .
D: But I th
D: yeah
D: but I think the L_C_D_ display is kind of yeah , it's faster
C: Just for fast D: with a m yeah and w if we dis and
D: when we s um discussed that we might like this flipping open thing , then I mean y you can use it as a normal remote control ,
B: A: Right .
C: Yeah .
A: Okay .
C: Yeah .
D: but if you do want to use L_C_D_ , then you flip it open ,
B: D: but it's it it's more time-consuming .
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: I think this is going back to the the graph at the beginning that I made , where , you know , the buttons that people use all the time , you want buttons for them and everything else menu-driven .
A: Mm right .
D: Yeah .
C: And it C: yeah
C: L_ L_C_D_ .
A: So uh in in the buttons we have for the channels also we have options .
A: Do you do we enumerate everything from zero to nine ?
A: Or do we have just uh channel plus , channel minus , just to just to scroll ?
D: No , no ,
D: I mean mm we we definitely need the the numbers ,
D: because it's uh otherwise people don't want to flip through all the channels . Um A: The numbers .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
C: Do we need them on as buttons or do we need them as L_C_D_ ?
A: Right .
A: Or A: on the L_C_D_ we can , you know  B: G yeah ,
D: Yeah ,
D: I would say buttons ,
B: I would think buttons ,
B: yeah .
D: because it's C: Buttons .
D: yeah .
A: Okay .
B: It's it's the D: I
B: I think the thing is , so if someone just wants to turn on their T_V_ and put on a channel , then it should be easier to use than any other remote ,
A: So mm C: Mm .
C: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
B: and then if someone wants to , you know , change the contrast on their T_V_ and they should be able to do that and it should be accessible ,
A: Alright .
B: but , you know , I mean most of the time D: Mm-hmm .
B: I mean there's a limit to how much the biggest techno geek can spend fiddling with the T_V_ , I think is the the the issue there .
C: Yeah .
A: Right .
A: Okay , so buttons definitely in
A: but oh shall we uh try to draw a prec um C: I think that's what you guys are gonna do next ,
A: Uh okay .
C: so if we put down the key um things that we want .
A: Okay , okay , so the components .
D: Yeah .
A: Right , so uh what about the the scrolling uh ?
D: Yeah but n I I'm not completely um completely clear uh I yeah , about the spinning wheel .
D: So I think it it doesn't make sense to have both like a scrolling and spinning thing ,
B: E either or D: it's uh D: you can al include everything in the spinning if you
C: Just spinning and not scrolling , I would say .
B: G yeah .
D: yeah , yeah ,
B: I would say the s the s the spinning goes at a high speed to th to the scrolling wheel ,
D: in that case .
C: Yeah .
B: so you have to decide whether you you know , you want to be going so fast or not .
B: But I mean the the thing with this whole if y you're planning on making it out of rubber , on the basis that it's spongy , then I'm not sure how well a scrolling wheel would work .
C: Hmm .
A: Mm um C: But if you've got a if if you've got a flipped thing , effectively it's something that's curved on one side and flat on the other side , but you folded it in half .
D: Ah , but I mean you can  B: B: Yeah ,
B: but y your spinning wheel tends to go to one side .
C: Th that would be on one side , uh-huh .
A: I'm not sure it'll be a good idea to construct the whole thing out of rubber .
D: Yeah , I um I think so too ,
A: Uh i it C: No , I think it's just the casing rubber on the outside .
D: I mean the case would be D: yeah
B: You want an outside of rubber
D: the case would be rubber and the the buttons ,
B: and then open it up and A: Or or at the corners , edges , just the edges covered by rubber or something like that .
C: Yeah .
D: rubber buttons , but then C: Yeah .
A: Everything else in plastic or even titanium if we want to use it .
D: Yeah .
B: Or maybe like interchangeable cases .
A: Mm-hmm .
B: 'Cause I know like we're going back to iPods again n the whole spinning wheel ,
B: but I have like a  you know , obviously my iPod's not made of rubber ,
B: but then I have a little rubber case that goes over the top of it
B: and I can change the colour , theoretically , to match my outfit .
A: Right , right .
C: Mm .
D: A: Right ,
C: A: okay , so so that gives us a more trendy look as well .
A: Um B: Yeah ,
B: I think the spinning wheel is definitely very now .
A: Right .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Yeah , and uh we're going more for the trends than for the usability anyway , right ?
D: Mm-hmm .