B: We need power and volume .
B: And let us include two nice features into this device ,
B: first , power on and off can be made fully automatic .
B: When you go to the sofa , take your control
B: and point it to the T_V_ ,
A: It's off .
D: Hmm .
A: It's on .
B: the T_V_ turns on .
D: And when does it turn off ?
B: When you don't touch the control
B: but you go out of the D: Oh
B: For for enough time
D: so you have a
B: like uh you D: sensing sensor machine that uh knows B: It's a question to our technical design , our two engineers .
C:  D: Tech A: B: And another nice feature that I would like to implement is uh volume control .
B: Suppose you set u you set up some volume
B: and then you move out or you move to the other corner of the room
B: and take your control with you .
B: Like , you want to to change the chair or you want to move to the armchair from the sofa or something , and then the volume changes .
A: Or you want to go to the kitchen . D: Mm-hmm .
B: It's easy to do ,
B: you just control the D: According to your distance to and the angle maybe , if you have a stereo system .
C: Distance .
B: According to the distance . B: Yeah yeah yeah .
D: Uh I'm not sure about the screen ,
B: So D: wha what is the use usefulness of the screen ?
D: Uh is it a touch screen by the way ?
B: I think it can be just a menu which can be controlled with a left , right , up , down and enter .
D: So it gives instructions
C: Yeah .
D: but uh it has to be with an back light somehow . B: So ,
B: its main purpose in fact is a back light ,
C: Mm-hmm .
D: Okay .
B: which change colours ,
B: which makes it easier to find ,
B: and each can B: it can respond for your voice ,
B: like it can turn on the light for you just to f find it easily ,
B: yeah ?
D: Okay .
A: Mm .
B: So basically that's it .
A: Um I see that you target uh several s application not only T_V_
A: but i like we talk about um universal uh remote control .
B: Can be easily done ,
A: Yeah .
B: 'cause
B: you got simple designs ,
B: y
B: we should put it to simple actions .
A: Hmm .
B: Let it be universal ,
B: so you want to use it for your hi-fi system .
B: You want to change tracks
B: and you want to adjust volume .
A: Mm-hmm .
A: B: Just few actions , a few actions for everything .
C: Mm .
A: Hmm . S
B: All the rest , we sh we'll put it into this menu on the screen .
A: Mm .
A: Since we were targeting a really soon uh uh date for the the the um i issuing of this uh remote control
A: I think we will only concentrate on T_V_ for the moment
C: Mm . Yeah and it mm .
A: and then maybe m make it more generalised yeah .
B: Okay , okay .
B: Okay ,
B: but it's quite universal you know .
C: Mm .
B: We can just extend it to any device .
C: Mm .
D: So
D: for instance if I want to go to directly to channel twenty five , how would I do can I do that with this ?
B: Uh twenty five .
D: Yeah
D: mm let's say I am uh on channel eight now .
D: You know these days we have hundreds of channels ,
D: that's not so easy to go just next next next when you have hundreds of channels .
B: Mm-hmm .
B: In fact I would propose another solution .
D: Or is it ?
B: Basically you use just four or five channels ,
D: Most people B: right ?
D: yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: So uh
B: set up your T_V_ set like channels that you use they're one , two , three and five ,
B: and you will never have to go to a twenty fives channel .
D: In fact in in one uh remote control that I've seen , instead of doing that d you could just say these are the cha ch channel three , twenty eight , forty eight and uh sixty four are those that I want to by cycled with my next button .
A: Yeah
A: it's it's the same solution , I think . Hmm .
D: I uh C: Yeah .
D: B
D: yeah .
C: But even we can have some uh L_C_D_ display ,
C: like you can uh de you can just button the number
D: Go to channel twenty five .
C: and then it go
D: One thing is that as I said in my presentation people really do like to z zap .
C: t because D: So even if they are only watching four or five channels , I think they want to zap out of the one hundred channels ,
C: Yeah .
B: Mm-hmm .
C: But still C: Yeah .
D: just because this is one kind of thing they do , zapping .
A: Yeah uh
A: on zap it's only next next next next next , yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: And it's only next .
C: Yeah .
D: Yeah
D: so but you have to B: Mm . We got these buttons here . Next next .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: Okay .
C: Yeah. .
B: Or say this can be back .
C: Yeah .
C: But otherwise like we can put some display on numbers
C: and then they can just press suppose two five they just press two and five
D: So it would be C: and then D: Okay .
C: Yeah .
A: Maybe we can make uh different modes for each button
A: and you can change mode zapping mode or
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah , yeah .
D: Mm-hmm . Alright .
A: uh current chan
C: Yeah , yeah .
C: Yeah
D: Listening more .
C: but since we are focusing only on T_V_ remote controls
A: Yeah .
C: so we can have more functions for T_V_
D: Mm-hmm .
C: uh if you want to go for a universal then we ought to limit for functions for each of our devices .
D: Okay .
A: Mm-hmm .
B: Could we carry out some research if we w really need this ,
B: like how many people really need to go to channel number twenty five and then to sixty four ?
D: Well
D: I could could uh have a look at that maybe .
B: Okay .
A: C: Yeah . Yeah .
D: I'll check in my department if there's someone specialist in that . B: Okay .
C: A: Okay .
D: Although I don't know . B: Alright ?
B: Thanks for your attention .
A: Uh you're finish ?
A: Okay .
A: So now the technical aspects of this new device .
A: Mm .
C: Two .
C: Yeah ,
C: if C: Sorry .
A: You prefer it . C: Yeah .
C: Uh as you know , I am mister Ramaro .
C: I am an expert in uh industrial design of all electronic devices
C: and I previously devised many uh like digital calculators and electronic calculators .
C: So now I'll briefly describe the working design of our remote control .
C: Well ,
C: as you know the basic function of remote control is sending some message to the the device , like T_V_ or V_C_R_ or D_V_D_ player etcetera .
C: So we will have a p portable device which will send message to the the main device like T_V_ .
C: So we need to have some energy source to do what to do the functions , what we want on this portable device . C: And usually this C: so to do these functions we need an interface ,
C: which basically some kind of pressing buttons or keys or like moving jack or something like that .
C: And then these messages these key buttons can be transferred into some kind of message
C: and then it will process by the chip
C: and then it will generate some information to the main device .
C: It's generally in the form of infrared or some kind of s sensor information .
C: Then we will have the main control in the main device to do the particular action what we want .
C: So ,
C: basically we need
C: uh since we are focusing on our interface device remote control
C: mainly the energy source like the battery
C: and then we have user interface like uh the keypad and you know buttons we want ,
C: and then we have some chip ,
C: it's mainly digital signal processing chip because
C: since we are I am one doing mostly digital uh devices
C: we ought to have some kind of processor
C: which take care of all these functions
C: and put it in some digital format .
C: And then we'll have the infrared L_E_D_ source
C: which sends the information to the main device .
C: Then we'll have switch in our main uh um device to do particular operations ,
C: and we ought to do different codes for different T_V_s ,
C: so some T_V_s will have different encryption codes for doing s s uh channel changing and these things .
A: Mm-hmm .
A: Okay .
A: To make it quite uh an universal uh device uh .
C: Yeah yeah ,
C: because the people don't use one particular brand so
A: Mm .
C: or at least we have more more than five brands , which are really good .
A: Okay .
C: So we need to check their specifications
C: and do their uh encryption
C: that's passing information to the T_V_ device .
C: So we need to have particular encryption codes .
A: Okay .
C: Then , components ,
C: so we have the main uh energy source
C: and then we will have some buttons
C: and then we will have infrared uh source
C: and then we have some inside some chip in in the device .
C: Uh since I don't have much time
C: so I'll input the connections to all this components .
C: And since I also want to know feedback from our Marketing Expert and User Interface ,
A: Mm-hmm .
C: so if you want to add some more components we can incorporate them .
A: Mm-hmm . And from from the discussion we had do you can you make it on the whiteboard , or mm .
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah , I'm sure ,
C: because since our User Interface speech recognition
C: and also Marketing Expert for the speech recognition is really handy ,
A: Mm-hmm .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: so
C: we can have another , like uh s simple speech recogniser on our D_S_B_ chip .
A: Mm .
C: Since we have some kind of uh energy
C: this is our
C: this normal battery ,
C: so this battery , once you s switch on it will take power
C: and we can have some speech recognition and in our g generally small digital signal processing chip
C: so that and we will put uh the small uh simple speech recogniser
C: and we can also train the speech recogniser for particular user
A: On C: so you just A: Uh train it , okay .
C: yeah ,
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: so that we just use simple recog
B: Too complex .
D: A: C: no
D: But uh very very good to sell . C: but but C: Yeah .
C: No ,
C: even in C: you can find even simple mobile device like any mobile brand you can have these voice dialers or these things , yeah .
D: Think of a all these young people who would love to say that this remote control only works for them ,
B: Okay .
B: Okay .
C: Yeah .
D: and ha ha you cannot use my remote control ,
D: because it's targeted to me . Whatever . A: Mm . C: Yeah .
A: And what about the price of this component ?
C: So C: Uh maybe we can make uh it in five Euros and even less than that ,
A: It mm A: okay .
D: Hmm . Cheap .
C: because we want to have uh millions and in bulk ,
D: Millions . A: Mm . C: so we can make really simp
A: Okay .
C: and we want to make really simple device
D: Cheap .
C: because we have only very few words like like power , switch on or some like
A: Mm-hmm .
C: then we'll have something like this um
C: we'll have volume
C: and then we will have s particular channel ,
C: so users can listen .
D: The user uh will just be able to say uh please can you uh pump up the vo pump up the volume
A: Mm-hmm .
D: or or it will be something like volume , up , down .
C: Ye
C: No ,
C: yeah ,
C: a user can use any kind of sender
C: but they should have this prompt volume and then  D: Okay .
A: With a keywords and yeah .
C: yeah
C: volume and decrease or increase ,
C: so we try to only recognise those words
D: Okay .
D: Couple of words .
C: and and because we can't really say user to say same wording
A: Mm-hmm mm .
C: then it become more mechanical and yeah .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: Okay .
A: Okay .
B: Um .
C: And then we can have channel they can say , okay I want eight ,
C: because we don't know like users have different programmes ,
C: I mean they don't really follow same channels strict uh
C: so we just want channel number ,
B: Okay .  A: Okay .
C: we don't want like B_B_C_ or C_N_N_ or something else
D: Of course uh it has to be C: because
C: it will be complicated
C: so we'll have only these three uh main basic
C: uh anyway volume is not really speech recognition problem ,
D: Okay .
C: it's it it will be take care of our main mm .
B: No you know
B: it's a conceptual question ,
B: 'cause now I see th this the picture in front of my eyes
B: like a user taking his remote control
B: and shouting into it , volume up , volume up ,
A: D: But then I think you you  B: and and he's coming you know , he's really annoyed with this , down , up , down . A: D: First of all I I think this is not uh functionality that it is going to be instead of using the buttons .
A: No , in no not only speech , yeah .
D: It's on top of using the button .
B: Okay ,
A: I it's an option .
B: for this budget like twelve Euros .
D: Well ,
D: I dunno . C: Yeah
C: actually we we can have one switch to like uh switch on , on and off , this processor
C: and This really ,
C: suppose like here we have our main chip
C: which controls power , volume and this part and this D_S_P_s .
B: Mm-hmm .
C: Again , this to have some interaction like suppose people use D_S_P_
C: then it particularly sends some information to the chip like in some form , like volume and like this key .
C: So it may not be like very expensive ,
B: Okay. .
C: because since we are only focusing on T_V_ remote control
D: T_V_ .
C: so A: Okay .
B: Mm-hmm , mm-hmm .
C: and we have only few things here A: Sho to to train , okay .
C: Yeah .
B: Did you consider the r gest uh gesture recognition ?
D: B: Like , if I want to put volume up I like do mm I take my remote control do like something like
C: Um uh uh this point we didn't consider
B: roll 'em up
B: or roll 'em down .
A: Mm .
D: Very expensive ,
C: because it's it's very expensive
D: no ?
C: because v our target is only like twelve point five Euros
A: And well ,
A: what about the idea of automatic on off on the button , yeah .
B: Mm why ?
C: and B: That's just D: And volume control .
C: Yeah ,
C: even automatic on off is also a bit problematic ,
C: because it different criteria for different people
C: like so suppose people are really uh they just uh they don't touch the remote
C: and mm y you don't know how much time you need to switch on or switch off
D: So but uh C: and D: Sh should we target a a user personalised uh uh remote control ?
D: So in in a given room there might be more than one remote control .
D: We would uh have each one and uh with our own personal uh settings .
A: C: Yay yeah .
C: Yeah that can be possible , especially for power settings ,
C: so user can say okay , suppose they're watching a tennis match or something then they can say okay uh after one hour I D: Hmm .
A: Wouldn't that make uh arguments ?
C: They can make D: Yeah , of course .
A: I want uh B: C:  Yeah we can have D:  That's no problem , we will sell more . A: And we can increase this the strength
B: We got a really good Market Expert .
D: Yeah exactly .
C: A: y you can buy one with C: Yeah . B: Let's send more , let's sell more .
B: Okay .
A: Mm-hmm . Okay .
A: You have mm something else to say ? Uh .
C: Uh , not very much ,
C: like yeah .
A: No .
D: Okay .
D: Thanks .
A: Okay ,
C: Thank you . Yep .
A: thanks .
C: Thank you .
A: So
C: Can you just C: yeah .
A: mm
C: A: mm I think , okay , we're just on time .
A: Um mm mm . So ,
A: we're now going to l have the lunch break .
D: Mm great . A: Then we will work again for thirty minutes individual work ,
A: and um we will uh meet again for the next meeting ,
A: and uh in this one want to to be more focused on the individual actions the um on the components
A: so uh
A: you will focus on the component concept um
C: Yeah yeah .
A: uh of course the U_I_D_ Mark will be uh focused on the user interface concept
C: Mark will A: and uh our m Market Expert Sammy Benjo uh on the trend watching .
A: So um
A: of course like before specific instruction will be sent to you by your personal personal coach .
A: Well
A: I think that's all .
A: And we have um maybe we have to we say , only for T_V_ , not teletext ?
D: A: Uh I think automatic on off control uh it's not possible .
C: Uh it's in current price , yeah .
D: Difficult .
A: Yeah ,
A: maybe in the next uh step if we make it work um .
C: Yeah .
C: But speech recogniser can be possible .
A: Yeah , implemented .
A: O okay ,
A: we can think about that .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: And um
A: do you see something else ?
D: No .
B: Uh , should it be equipped with the uh , with uh speakers ?
D: Speakers in the remote cont
B: Like , you want to find it , you shout
D: Oh yeah .
B: control ,
A: Uh yeah
A: that's B: and it answers is I'm here ? Or D: It just beeps .
D: That would be enough .
B: Just beeps ?
A: Or maybe you want to phone him .
D: Something very cheap .
D: But that's ex that's expensive . Uh .
C: Yeah yeah yeah .
A: Since now all A: yeah ?
C: Yeah ,
C: especially the power , it really consumes
A: Think
C: because it should be all the time on
A: Uh-huh .
C: and D: Well
D: I I heard of devices where you just uh whistle them
A: And uh D: and and they A: And it's answered .
D: because of the the frequency they they just answer to that .
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: I can't whistle .
B: No , no , I can't .
D: You can't whistle .
D: Uh-huh .
A: D: Or a clap .
B: Mm .
A: Clap clap clap it's a good D: You can clap . Can you ?
C: Yeah .
D: Clap is good .
A: I I think it's universal .
C: Yeah .
D: Tak
D: Just a suggestion .
B: Okay .
A: What about people without hand ?
C: Yeah I think it's good .
A: Yeah . D: With only one hand ? D: These are not our target people . A: Mm uh okay .
C: But it's a good feature I guess yeah
C: we need to think about more how to incorporate it .
A: Mm-hmm . Okay .
B: Just don't interfere with other devices like
B: 'cause like all these people do that their lights are turning on with clapping .
D: Mm-hmm .
D: Oh
C: Oh .
D: that's e that already exists
B: Yeah ,
D: okay okay .
B: I got it at my home , like  .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: Oh yeah , you do have .
B: Oops .
D: Wow . You're trendy . C: Ah it's  A: Mm-hmm , so A: let's to think
A: s so that D: Think about it .
D: Yeah , okay .
A: yeah .
A: I think that could be in the component uh concept uh .
C: Yeah .
A: It yes .
A: Okay .
D: Okay .
D: Good
D: we're done ?
A: So ,
A: yeah ,
C: Yeah .
A: let's go to lunch .
D: Right ,
D: thanks .
C: Thank you , thank you very much .
A: