A: A: C: You also uh see uh this device , it's not very round and C: Fruity of course .
C: Yeah , it uh A: It's t terrible .
C: That's true .
A: Alright .
C: And uh well round shapes , primary colours .
C: You can see it all here .
A: C: And of course uh this famous device .
A: Hmm ?
C: I think as you know something uh some devices like this .
A: Yeah , alright .
C: So to give you an idea of uh D: Well it's got a strong look , this . Yeah .
C: This has a strong look .
C: Although it's plastic , it's it's grey to to to give it iron look .
D: Yeah , it still has a strong look .
A: Yeah . And it's round .
C: That's uh D: But then you are losing your fruity colours .
C: Yeah .
C: Well we have to make a A: Well you can make th th th that middle ring can you you can make another colour .
D: That's true .
A: So uh those kind of things you can you can combine .
C: Well we can't really make a round uh a round remote control .
C: I don't think that's very practical ,
C: but But uh it's important to to uh to think about the colour .
A: No , it isn't .
A: Okay .
C: Because if we make it grey or or silvery looking , it it does make it a lot more uh does make it looking a lot more stronger .
D: Yeah but the A: Yes .
C: 'Cause if you look at this , it it doesn't look very very strong ,
C: becau But this is plastic , and and this too , but D: But it doesn't have to look strong .
D: The the results are , the feel of the material is expected to be strongy .
C: The feel ?
D: The feel .
C: Uh alright .
C: Well A: So , if you ti
B: And it it doesn't have to be strong , also .
A: Well D: Nah yeah the feel A: You you B: Only the feel . A: Maybe you should have uh some some coloured titanium or something .
A: So it it looks pretty but it feels strong .
B: D: Right .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: Oh .
D: I agree .
C: And I Then I have some more findings . Um uh about the energy energy source of the of the device ,
C: uh I uh suggest uh the basic battery .
C: I uh got some other um uh uh energy sources of course .
C: But solar energy is not very practical inside a house ,
C: because you don't have a have a lot of uh sun .
D: C: And uh kinetic and and and dynamos are are not very practical , I think , for uh for a simple remote ,
D: C: that's a bit , oh , that's a bit uh That's a bit uh much .
A:  No titanium . B: C: And I also suggest uh as a shape uh a double curved case .
A: C: Uh the disadvantage of that that you can use no titanium .
C: That that's the information I received .
C: If you use the curved case , uh a curved case , double curved then you can't use titanium .
A: What do you exactly mean with double curved ?
C: Now uh this uh to give it a more modern look .
B: C: And uh now the the shape , yeah , a curved case .
C: Um yeah I think uh sort of triangle-shaped bottom or something .
C: Uh a more modern look not plain , long box style , but D: I dunno .
A: Double curved ?
C: I'll draw it ,
B: Yeah . Yeah . A: It it mean C: but maybe later .
D: A: Yeah , well okay . C: And it makes uh it gives it a more u user friendly shape , than if you have uh .
C: Um anyway D: B: C: Um f as uh for the buttons , simple push buttons .
C: No uh otherwi uh no um difficult scroll things or some uh things like that ,
C: because it makes more complex and expensive .
C: And , uh as we agreed , we don't use a speaker or a sensor or um uh speak uh speech uh controlled device .
D: Yeah right .
D: C: Because it makes it also more complex and expensive .
C: But we do use an L_C_D_ screen ,
C: so we uh we do have to consider uh of we have to use a more advanced chip ,
C: which is more complex and expensive .
C: But It's worth the trouble I think ,
A: Well B: The buttons can be made of an uh a soft material .
C: because B: Because people like that .
A: This soft material thing from uh Yeah .
C: Uh rubber is a soft material , I guess .
D: Yeah . Right .
C: Uh soft enough .
B: Yeah . Right . Yeah .
C: So that's uh basically what I want to talk about .
A: Alright . Okay .
A: We will take that .
A: And then uh Mike ?
A: Okay .
B: Yeah .
B: Well um nah the method um we will um include the buttons as we discussed uh earlier .
B: Um an L_C_D_ s screen will be implemented .
B: Um we must decide where , this meeting .
A: D: B: Um there are new developments in speech recognition um systems ,
B: um and they are already being uh used on uh coffee machines .
B: And um well they're cheap ,
B: so we could use them now .
A: Oh B: Um it's not really speech recognition ,
A: That's interesting .
B: it's more um like you can um talk to the chip , uh record the message and record an answer ,
B: and then once you uh talk to the remote , then um he will a answer with the the prerecorded message that you left .
B: So if I say hi Mike , and you have recorded uh hi Mike back , then you will get that .
C: Oh , yeah , I understand . Yeah .
D: Oh okay .
D: A: Okay . But you can also say that , when you say something , it does some function .
D: Right .
B: No it doesn't does not do anything .
D: No .
A: Oh .
B: But i it's just a A: That's a bit uh D: But that that makes it cheap .
D: It's it's just a an extra function ,
C: Yeah . B: Yeah it's it's cheap .
A: Yes . I understand .
D: and it's cheap .
A: But it has no functionality for our remote at all .
D: No but  B: No
B: but that's the gadget they want , or the gimmicks .
D: Yeah , right . C: But it it's n nice for young people .
D: Young people love them .
B: Yes , we we should really uh include that one , I think . Um C: They like gadgets .
D: Yeah , ple
C: Yeah .
D: Right .
C: If it's cheap . Yeah .
A: Hmm .
B: Well , as I said uh earlier I think the uh L_C_D_ screen should be uh positioned at the lower end of the remote .
A: B: Um the buttons for screen width and general settings and uh and that kind of stuff D: B: um we can also do let that kind of functions um be shown in the L_C_D_ screen , uh instead of uh extra buttons .
A: So you put a menu in the L_C_D_ ?
B: I think young people and yeah w well every user would like that .
B: Um the buttons um should be positioned uh positioned the same way as they are on a , well , conventional remote , I think .
B: For the learnability
B: and uh well to keep it recognisable .
B: A voice recognition can be uh implemented .
B: And uh I drew an example ,
C: B: but it did not work quite the well uh the way I wanted it to do .
D: Alright .
C: Can you draw it now of uh D: How How B: Hmm ?
C: Can you draw it now ?
A: Ah .
B: Well I have the I can draw it again ,
B: and I know what I did wrong .
B: I didn't tick the note bo box in the . Um C: Mm . Alright .
D: How do you uh uh give input to the menu on the L_C_D_ screen ?
B: Um with the uh the up and down and and well buttons and the D: Alright .
D: So you have a menu button ,
D: and then you can go up and down .
B: Well I will draw what I had drawn on the screen .
A: But then we should also have an uh an Okay button .
D: Yeah right .
B: Yes .
B: Um I shall draw this . If it uh works .
C: button , yeah .
A: Just uh  A: There is already a blank . Yes ?
A: So Yeah .
D: Yeah . B: Mm so have I .
B: D: A: B: Nah .
D: .
D: You have to push hard .
A:  D: D: C: I suggest a banana shape .
B: A: C: Because of the fruity uh fashion .
D: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
A: No
A: m Next year that's out .
D: C: Yellow and  B: C: Yeah alright , yeah .
C: Just a hunch . A: B: Well these little buttons are a bit difficult to uh draw uh correct .
A: Yeah .
C: Those are the the cha the channel buttons of course ?
B: Yeah just uh the numbers .
B: C: And then below is the L_C_D_ screen ?
C: B: These these will be bigger in the the real design .
A: C: Alright , yeah .
B: This must be the Okay button used to uh interact with the L_C_D_ screen .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: And with this you can uh , yes , go to through the menus
A: Yeah .
B: and that can
B: Um the video button should be uh an apart button ,
D: You've A: Yes .
B: because you want it to uh t , yeah , to use it fast within one uh click .
D: Right .
A: And what's the menu button ?
D: And you you need a you need a speaker .
B: Um it's  D: For the  B: Hmm ?
B: This button can also be the Menu button , we use in the menus C: A: But how did How do you get out of the menu then ? Yeah .
B: Well we we can add another button here , but A: Maybe I you could j just do an an exit with Okay . Uh C: Uh by pe pressing the menu button again .
C: By pressing the menu button again , you go uh out .
D: Yeah . Yeah .
B: Yeah .
C: It's usual the the the d kind of the way it works .
A: Yes , well but
A: bec because when you push Menu you get in ,
C: Yeah ? Yeah ?
A: and then you have to push Okay when you get to a choice .
B: Ah right .
C: Yeah .
B: Well you you C: But you can men you can press menu again to get out .
A: Well that's also the Okay button .
A: That's you you should have uh B: No no ,
C: No .
B: we we we should uh add uh a extra Menu button
B: and this the Okay button .
A: Or you can put in the L_C_D_'s uh window an option Get Out .
D: Exit .
A: Exit .
B: Ah once you have an extra Menu button , you don't need that that extra option .
A: Well , it's just a choice .
B: You have uh redundancy .
D: But we need a we need a a recording recording button for the speech uh part .
C: D: Or don't B: Yeah ,
B: if we decide to uh to implement that , maybe we should .
C: Why would you put it uh then ,
C: and where is the recording uh the microphone ?
C: Where would you put it ?
B: Well they that could be anywhere .
B: That's very small .
B: It could be uh down here .
C: Uh-huh .
B: Um . Well , not here .
B: I yeah I suggest here .
B: But that's just a little gap . Yeah .
D: Right ,
D: and spea speaker at the back , or something .
C: Microphone , yeah .
B: Well the speaker and the microphone , I think , are the same uh little hole thingy .
C: Yeah I understand .
A: D: Alright .
B: Yeah .
C: Uh but uh we could uh d do , but it's perhaps more expensive , uh the speaker on the back or something .
B: Well i
B: Um there are a all already being implemented in in coffee machines ,
B: so they won't be uh very expensive . But A: Huh ?
C: Alright .
D: Alright .
A: Yeah ? Okay .
B: This is my suggested design .
A: Well , okay , alright .
B: Um Yes .
A: Um then let's have a look at the decisions we are going to have to make .
B: And oh I think as you can see so , the L_C_D_ screen does look better uh at the lower end , or at the bottom .
A: I'd I agree .
D: Yeah , fine . B: But  A: Fine . D: Move on . C: Well yeah yeah yeah .
A: Yeah .
B: Oh , um I had some uh examples .
A: C: I can live with it .
B: You can uh A: Yes ?
D: B: But I did not like it very much , but B: Well these are quite obvious , very ugly remote . Um A: Too big .
A: D: Yeah .
C: They do they don't look fruity enough .
D: Nei They're n they're not trendy .
B: No , well th
A: They're all black .
B: Yeah .
B: Well not all . A: Hey , that one I like . B: Uh this is for children but th
C: Tho Yeah those D: It doesn't look strong . B: No .
A: No .
C: But it doesn't uh the B: W but with the colours i it's a bit the way we're going to .
A: The remote . D: Yeah right .
C: Yeah , ok Yeah .
B: Well this is a terrible A: Terrible .
D: This is just crazy .
C: But it it must not look too childish of course huh ?
A: It's it's all too much buttons .
B: Um this looks A: Too many buttons .
B: Yeah .
A: That's B: This uh these are the L_C_D_ screens .
B: I think we should , if it's um possible , uh one with colours , but D: Nah th It's too expensive .
B: I don't know uh A: Well , that's too expensive I think .
B: Too expensive ?
D: Yeah .
B: Alright .
B: Well Nah .
C: But it Yeah . A: Alright . Yeah .
A: Okay .
B: Ha , even more . N
A: Huh .
A: Mm no . D: But are we going for a strange uh form ?
A: 'Kay .
A: No , not very strange .
D: 'Cause people like that .
C: Not not too strange . No .
D: Not too strange .
D: You can make the the underside , you can make it more round , where the L_C_D_ is .
A: It still has t
A: Yes .
A: Th
A: a a kind of bridge .
A: So it f falls over the hand .
D: I dunno if you know the No Nokia telephone , with uh the round uh thing at at the bottoms , s something like that .
B: Well A: Yeah ? Yeah ?
A: Yeah .
D: You know ? A: Well I have at home a remote with a bridge .
A: It's just a half round half half circle at A: And then it falls exactly over the hand ,
A: and that's very nice .
A: That's It feels comfortable .
D: Yeah ,
D: but people like something uh new you know .
C: Exotic yeah .
D: Yeah , different .
C: We have t
C: Yeah , yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: I will design it , we design it later .
D: Y yis
C: So we'll get to that later I guess .
D: Alright . Great .
A: Yeah , alright .
A: Um where did I put it ?
C: The specific shape . The A: Um conceptual phase , I think this is it .
B: A: I got this from our friends .
B: A: So  Uh yeah the conceptual design .
C: Our sources .
A: These are a few examples which we have to decide about .
A: All the the materials from the case , uh the electric cable that's all your uh your side of the story .
A: Um D: Your bag . A: Yeah .
A: Um now from the user interface , your uh package ? A: Um where A: No well , that's more like the buttons where they have to come .
A: And um B a bit of , yeah well , a bit of uh design .
B: Yeah , this is what we've just done . Right ?
C: But uh we should decide now .
A: Yes ,
A: but we have to decide about these now .
B: Ah right .
D: Yeah .
D: Materials are the most , most impor
A: And uh the trend-watching .
A: So as you said , fruity is in ,
A: well sells good .
B: A: Wow .
D: Yeah .
A: Uh these things .
C: So we have to uh put it in one uh document . A: Uh yes .
A: Um so if we uh go through them C: Copy paste uh this story into a into a Word document ,
C: and then uh put the answers after the subjects .
C: Yeah .
A: B: Not everything .
C: Well we have to decide all these things ?
B: Yeah but all these examples are uh of a coffee machine .
A: Yeah well uh C: W we can uh override them ?
A: Why should I uh D: A: Yeah .
D: A: So C: Well a case ? Uh that's me .
C: Uh I suggest C: Well what do I suggest actually ? A: What what kind of properties should it have ?
C: Uh s solid ,
A: Well we just listened .
B: I think we  C: yeah . Yeah .
B: Why don't we um use uh titanium
B: or or a hard , yeah , some kind of metal for the uh the the whole remote except the front .
D: Do you know the new uh B: That B: Just like um most cell phones are .
C: Yeah , I understand .
D: No no C: Yeah .
C: So we have titanium . D: The front is the most important .
C: Yeah but the non-removable elements of the of the remote , so not the front , could be titanium ,
C: to give that uh strong look .
B: Yeah .
A: You know what ?
C: And then the front is made of plastic .
C: And you can put that on and off ,
C: and switch it .
B: Yeah .
D: But the feel of plastic isn't strong . C: No but you have titanium of course .
B: No but you you have this B: Yeah .
C: Uh you have the best of both worlds .
D: Yeah alright , alright . 'Kay .
B: Yeah , you have the re remote in your hand like this .
B: So you feel titanium . C: And of course , yeah , you have the the the plastic front end .
C: But you also have the titanium .
D: Yeah . D: Fronts are are cheaper than when they're from plas
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah of course ,
C: but yeah you have to make a decision .
B: And I don't know if you can make steel just any way you want it to .
D: Yeah , but it it's expensive .
C: I guess so .
C: Uh titanium I sh I think uh B: Yeah .
D: Bendable .
C: Huh ?
D: Bendable .
C: Well , well the B: Well any colour  C: According to my sources , uh it's it's totally possible to make an entire uh uh uh Titanium is available , and uh we can uh make uh an entire remote out of it , if we want .