A: Okay , so uh
A: what we know is that we have to sell this uh remote control for about twenty five Euros .
C: Excuse me .
A: Okay ,
A: that's .
A: And uh we have to make a profit of fifty million Euros ,
A: so we have to uh use a big market in Europe .
B: Piece of cake .
A: The production cost are about half the price of selling price ,
A: sorry .
B: Uh easy .
A: So
A: can someone make a a calculation about how many we have to sell of these to make fifty million ,
A: I dunno .
A: Uh so
A: we're gonna have a little discussion about um what experience are with a remote control the and everything ,
A: so just have a look how it we think about remote controls .
D: Yeah ,
D: my first question was does it have to be a a universal remote control ?
A: Oh yeah ,
A: that's a good question .
D: Because we sell it uh uh uh lonely from the t and not with the television , we sell it uh apart .
A: I think it's A: I'm not I'm not sure ,
D: So
D: I A: it's not mm I think C: Yeah , it probably would be universal .
B: Universal .
D: Because  B: And only television ?
B: Or more devices ?
A: I don't think you can buy a a a universal uh remote control for twenty five Euros ,
A: so A: not sure ,
A: but C: Hmm , maybe ,
D: Yeah ,
D: I know uh you can buy a re a universal uh control for uh only twenty uh Euros
C: I don't know .
A: Okay ,
A: so
A: we we just say we just say that's universal remote control .
D: Yeah , I think .
B: Ah okay .
A: Okay , perfect .
C: And uh also for the V_C_R_ and uh D_V_D_ player
C: and A: Yeah , everything
A: just C: okay .
A: so a lot of buttons on the remote control .
C: Yeah , probably .
B: Not just a T_V_ .
A: No ,
A: just everything .
B: Okay .
A: . so yeah ,
D: Okay .
A: what what what's a remote control ,
A: it's just a black thing with some buttons on it ,
A: it's not nothing very special ,
A: but um B: Well
B: we can try to make it special .
A: yeah , that's right .
D: C: A: So
A: do you have any ideas how it has to look for for usability
B: Well D: Well
D: I th I thought about um making it the same uh style as the television ,
A: or user D:  we don't have uh the same television uh all the time ,
D: so uh that's no matter .
D: Um if we uh control the V_C_R_ and the D_V_D_ player player with it uh it has to be clear ,
D: because uh kids and uh elderly are gonna use it ,
D: so uh
D: it's not only for the uh technical persons .
D: Um I think it must be a very good control ,
D: so you can uh uh uh act uh use it from uh everywhere in your room ,
D: the the infrared uh thing must be from very good quality .
A: Hmm yeah .
B: A: That's right . Should be a good point .
B: Yeah .
C: Okay .
B: Nothing C: And how big should it be ?
B: N
D: No . Yeah .
B: It shouldn't be too big ,
D: I dunno um B: but I don't think we can make it too small ,
B: 'cause it has to have a lot of functions ,
B: so .
C: Yeah .
B: We can't make it smaller than the things we see now I think .
A: Just big enough for the buttons we have , that's that's it .
B: Yeah .
B: Or we have to make something uh like uh mobile phones that you can uh fold it opem .
C: Yeah . Yeah .
B: Maybe then you can make it s smaller and uniquer ,
D: Yes
B: maybe more trendy .
A: But you you you you think about uh uh one you can fold open .
B: Fold open ,
B: where you can see uh more options . I think A: Okay ,
A: yeah , that's cool .
D: Ah
D: that's that's C: Yeah
A: Maybe for the D_V_D_ pla player or something ,
C: n
B: Yeah ,
A: if you just B: something uh on top , just dren general things like volume and T_V_ channels and inside things you don't use that often .
D: Ah right right .
C: Yeah ,
C: or you c
A: Yeah .
D: Oh
C: O or you could th think of an uh uh a small touch screen on the remote control .
D: that's good , yeah .
B: Yeah
B: b I wanted D: Yeah .
A: Why should you use a touchscreen on a remote control ?
C: Uh maybe be uh it's it's A: There are buttons on it .
B: No
B: you can make an uh manual in it .
C: Yeah ,
C: or um maybe to keep it uh easy and uh small .
A: Okay .
D: Yeah ,
A: But it's not t t t too expensive to put a touchscreen on it .
D: but
B: But that's C: Uh like a a to have B: Yeah , I think it's much uh too expensive .
D: Yeah
C: Yeah , maybe it would .
D: but it's not reachable I think , touch screen .
A: D: And we have to care for uh the strength of the remote control ,
A: Yeah .
D: because uh uh remote controls are most uh things in the house that falls down on the ground and it get often uh broken .
A: Yeah .
A: So .
A: And if you have a touch screen in it , it's definitely too too fragile uh fragile .
B: Yeah , too fragile .
D: Yeah
D: and a lots uh uh lots of kids use it
D: and touchscreen is not uh kids uh A: No .
A: You can put games on your remote control . Whatever . C: Kid-proof .
D: B: Yeah .
C: And uh how about the batteries ?
D: Um C: Uh should you put it in a recharger
C: or a just A: Oh
A: maybe that's a good idea ,
D: Ma maybe a home station .
A: just to put it on your television and just s recharge ,
B: Yeah .
A: you never have to use any batteries .
C: Mm yeah .
B: Maybe that's a good idea ,
B: but yeah , we have to look at the price now I think .
A: Yeah ,
A: how m how mu how how expensive uh is a normal recharger ?
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah ,
C: I dunno .
B: Well
B: uh how much is your uh standards uh mobile phone recharger ?
A: I dunno .
C: Yeah ,
C: if you buy it uh separately from your phone it's probably expensive ,
A: D: Ah yeah .
C: but I don't know what the project uh projection costs are for such a thing .
D: B: Maybe have uh D: A: Uh if you th look at the market , it's probably it's still the best way just to put batteries in it ,
A: because maybe it's too expensive .
B: Yeah ,
B: 'cause well C: Yeah .
D: Yeah ,
D: but a home station is uh a really good idea ,
D: because uh lots of people are uh lose their remote control and don't know where it is ,
D: and now you can put it always at the same place .
A: Yeah , that's right , yeah .
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: Maybe it's D: Therefore it's a good idea ,
D: but maybe it's expensive .
B: Maybe uh use it as a separate option . Sell it uh separately .
D: Yeah .
D: You can D: yeah ,
D: you can buy it with it .
C: Yeah ,
C: but I have a mouse that's uh uh also uh B: Rechargeable .
C: Yeah ,
C: and and you just have normal batteries that you can recharge and just put it in the station ,
B: Yeah .
C: or you can change your batteries ,
D: Oh yeah .
C: so .
A: The option , just the option , that's cool .
C: Yeah .
D: Uh I I set something on paper already , size , looks , uh usable ,
D: uh the buttons on usable places ,
D: uh the the on off button must be on top ,
A: Yeah .
D: uh it has to lay good in the hand ,
B: Yeah .
D: you you have to uh A: Has it be has A: does it has to b have to be um uh like a different form than a normal remote control
D: Yeah ,
D: I don't I don't know I don't know
A: or B: Well
D: if we B: I think we have to look at that ,
B: 'cause well you can do the standard way ,
B: but then you won't D: You can make it very special , to create our own um looks ,
A: Yeah
D: but it's very hard to C: N
C: uh if if we want to make it special , we probably have to do a lot of testing , if it really works .
D: Nah .
B: Well
B: you can um have uh the basic things on the same place , like on off button on top and the T_V_ channels one two three four as a block , and then the volume uh obviously on t on top , so you can see .
C: Yeah .
B: But the rest is uh you don't use that often ,
B: so if you have a clear button with an good icon on it , it should be clear as well .
C: Yeah .
B: So it doesn't matter what place it is on the remote control I think ,
A: Yeah .
B: so you can do something unique with that .
C: And what we have to think about too is uh uh buttons that you use often are um maybe uh like when you fold it open ,
C: when you have it closed , you can still uh do the th the functions .
D: Yeah yeah ,
D: what Paul already said .
D: Uh on on top are the the basic options on top ,
C: Yeah .
A: Yeah , just for the T_V_ and just the normal function , that's fine .
C: But n C: yeah ,
B: Yeah , yeah .
C: but uh i D: and if you fold it open C: basically when I'm watching T_V_ I'm just using like five buttons or so ,
A: But maybe it's
D: B: Yeah .
B: That's what I meant .
C: so .
A: maybe it's very hard to to make it fold open and to l look like it's very uh uh