A: Right .
E: And so , you know F: I mean , the down - side to that is that he sort of indicated that the , uh , quality of the handwriting recognition was quite poor .
A: Well G: But that 's alright .
G: I don't think there 'd be so many that you couldn't have someone clean it up
A: So G: pretty easily .
A: Yeah . We also could come up with some code for things that people want to do so that for frequent things .
F: Yeah .
A: And the other things , people can write whatever they want .
A: I mean , it 's to some extent , uh , for his benefit .
A: So ,
A: if that you know , if if we just keep it simple then maybe it 's still useful .
F: Right .
G: Yeah .
D: I just realized we skipped the part that we were saying we were gonna do at the front where we each said who we were .
H: The roll call .
A: Right .
D: Roll call .
A: I thought you did that on purpose .
A: But anyway , shall we do the roll call ?
D: No , not a
D: No , I just My mind went elsewhere .
D: So ,
D: uh , yeah , I 'm Morgan ,
D: and
D: where am I ?
D: I 'm on channel three .
G: And I 'm Adam Janin on channel A .
H: I 'm Jane Edwards , I think on channel B .
E: I 'm Dan Ellis .
F: Eric on channel nine .
B: Liz , on channel one .
A: Mari on channel zero .
C: Katrin on channel two .
H: Should we have used pseudo - names ?
H: Should we do it a second time with pseudo
H: No . No .
D: I 'm Rocky Raccoon on channel G: And , uh , do you want to do the P D As and the P Z
E: Let me , uh , turn that off .
E: Oh . PZM nearest , nearest , next nearest .
E: Next one .
H: Next nearest .
G: Far .
E: Furthest .
E: PDM - right ,
E: PZA - right E: PDA - right ,
E: PDA - left .
H: OK .
E: Thanks .
G: Yeah , and eventually once this room gets a little more organized , the Jimlets <comment> will be mounted under the table ,
G: and these guys will be permanently mounted somehow .
G: You know , probably with double - sided tape ,
G: but So .
G: You So we won't have to go through that .
A: Hmm .
H: I have a question on protocol in these meetings ,
H: which is when you say " Jimlet " and the person listening won't know what that is , sh shou How how do we get Is that important information ?
H: You know , the Jimlet H: I mean , the box that contains the D: Well , I mean , suppose we broaden out and go to a range of meetings besides just these internal ones .
D: There 's gonna be lots of things that any group of people who know each other have in column common <comment> that we will not know .
H: Mm - hmm .
A: Right .
H: OK .
A: Right .
A: So the there will be jargon that we he There 'll be transcription errors .
H: Good .
D: Yeah .
H: OK .
D: I mean , we we were originally gonna do this with VLSI design ,
D: and and and the reason we didn't go straight to that was because immediately ninety percent of what we heard would be jargon to to us .
D: So .
G: Well , that was just one of the reasons .
G: But , yeah , definitely .
D: Yeah .
H: OK . Good .
D: That that 's right .
D: There were others of course .
D: Yeah .
H: OK , so we were on the data collection <comment> and the summary issue .
D: Right .
D: We can go back .
A: So ,
A: uh , u u
A: So , actually there 's kind of three issues .
A: There 's the CrossPad issue .
A: Should we do it and , if so , what 'll we have them do ?
A: Um , do we have s people write summaries ?
A: Everybody or one person ?
A: And then , do we ask people for how they would query things ?
F: There 's there 're sub - problems in that ,
A: Is that F: in that where or when do you actually ask them about that ?
F: I mean , that was One thing I was thinking about was is that Dan said earlier that , you know , maybe two weeks later , which is when you would want to query these things , you might ask them then .
A: Right .
A: Right .
F: But there 's a problem with that in that if you 're not F: If you don't have an interactive system , it 's gonna be hard to go beyond sort of the first level of question .
A: Right .
F: Right .
F: And furth id explore the data further .
A: Right .
F: So .
G: And D: There 's there 's another problem
D: which is , um , we certainly do want to branch out beyond , uh , uh , recording meetings about Meeting Recorder .
D: And , uh , once we get out beyond our little group , the people 's motivation factor , uh , reduces enormously .
D: And if we start giving them a bunch of other things to do ,
D: how you know , we we did n you know another meeting here for another group
D: and and , uh , they were fine with it .
D: But if we 'd said , " OK , now all eight of you have to  have to come up with , uh , the summar "
G: Well , I asked them to
G: and none of them did .
D: t See ?
H: Mm - hmm .
G: So , I I asked them to send me ideas for queries after the meeting
D: There we go .
A: They G: and no one ever did .
E: Mm - hmm .
G: I didn't follow up either .
G: So I didn't track them down and say " please do th do it now " .
A: Yeah .
G: But , uh , no one spontaneously provided anything .
D: I
D: I 'm worried that if you did even if you did push them into it , it it it might be semi - random ,
A: Right .
D: uh , as opposed to what you 'd really want to know if you were gonna use this thing .
E: Right .
G: I just don't know how else to generate the queries other than getting an expert to actually listen to the meeting and say " that 's important ,
A: OK .
G: that might be a query " .
H: Tsk .
H: Well , there is this other thing which y which you were alluding to earlier , which is , um , there are certain key words like , you know , " action item " and things like that ,
H: which could be used in , uh , t to some degree finding the structure .
E: Although A: Yeah .
A: W
H: And and I also , um , was thinking , with reference to the n uh , note - taking ,
H: the advantage there is that you get structure without the person having to do something artificial later .
H: And the fir third thing I wanted to say is the summaries afterwards ,
H: um , I think they should be recorded instead of written
H: because I think that , um , it would take so long for people to write that I think you wouldn't get as good a summary .
A: How about this idea ?
A: That normally at most meetings somebody is delegated to be a note - taker .
H: Yeah , good .
H: Good point .
H: Yeah .
A: And So why don't we just use the notes that somebody takes ?
G: I mean , that gives you a summary
G: but it doesn't really G: How do you generate queries from that ?
E: Well . But , I mean , maybe a summary is one of the things we 'd want from the output of the system .
H: Yeah .
E: Right ?
A: Right .
E: I mean , they 're something .
E: It 's a a kind of output you 'd like .
B: Actually G: Uh , James and I were talking about this during one of the breaks .
B: And so G: And the problem with that is , I 'm definitely going to do something with information retrieval
G: even if it 's sort of not full full - bore what I 'm gonna do for my thesis .
A: Right .
G: I 'm gonna do something .
G: I 'm not gonna do anything with summarization .
G: And so if someone wants to do that , that 's fine ,
G: but it 's not gonna be me .
D: Well , I think that we I mean , the the f the core thing is that you know once we get some of these issues nailed down , we need to do a bunch of recordings
A: Well D: and send them off to IBM
D: and get a bunch of transcriptions
D: even if they 're slightly flawed
G: Yep .
D: or need some other D: And then we 'll have some data there .
D: And then , i i we can start l looking and thinking , what do we want to know about these things
A: Yeah .
D: and at the very least .
E: Mm - hmm .
B: I actually want to say something about the note pad .
A: Yeah B: So , if you could sense just when people are writing , and you tell them not to doodle , or try not to be using that for other purposes , <comment> and each person has a note pad . They just get it when they come in the room . Then you c you can just have a fff <comment> plot of wh you know , who 's writing when .
D: Hmm .
E: Activity .
B: That 's all you E: Yeah .
B: And , you can also have notes of the meeting .
B: But I bet that 's that will allow you to go into the sort of the hot places where people are writing things down .
D: Mm - hmm .
G: Oh , I see .
B: I mean , you can tell when you 're in a meeting when everybody stops to write something down that something was just said .
A: Mm - hmm .
B: It may not be kept in the later summary ,
B: but at that point in time is was something that was important .
H: Mm - hmm .
B: And that wouldn't take any extra H: That 's a nice idea .
B: Or someone could just pu you could just put your hand on the pad
D: It A: Mm - hmm .
C: Mm - hmm .
B: and go like that if you want to .
D: That 's a good idea
B: It 's D: but that doesn't D: Maybe I 'm missing something ,
D: but that doesn't get to the question of how we come up with queries , right ?
B: Well , then you can go to the points where the you could actually go to those points in time
A: Well , what it does B: and find out what they were talking about .
B: And you r
D: Yeah .
A: Well , what it does is provide a different B: And G: Uh , y
A: I I think it 's an interesting thing .
A: I don't think it gets at the the queries per - se ,
A: but it does give us an information fusion sort of thing that , you know , you wanna i say " what were the hot - points of the meeting ? "
B: Yeah .
D: That that 's what I mean , is that I think it gets at something interesting
D: but if we were asking the question , which I thought we were , of of of , um , " how do we figure out what 's the nature of the queries that people are gonna want to ask of such a system ? " , knowing what 's important doesn't tell you what people are going to be asking .