A: Hi everyone , hope you had a nice lunch .
A: Um .
C: A: Alright we're moving on to conceptual design .
C: 'Scuse me .  A: D: Bless you .
A: Um , I'll just review what we did in our last meeting .
A: Um , under marketing we targeted our audience ,
A: and Um , yeah .
D: A: That was generally  how helpful that was .
B: A: Um , then we considered some design options with how it should look ,
A: um , we discussed an iPod-like button system
A: which , uh , we haven't concluded but we're A: Right , um A: So , if you all have presentations to do , we can see what where you've come from our last time .
A: Does everyone have presentations ?
B: Hmm .
D: Yeah .
C: Yes .
A: Okay .
B: Yes .
A: Would anybody like to go first ?
B: Sure .
A: Okay .
B: So I've been looking at the components design .
B: Um . Mostly by consulting remote control diagrams from the internet
B: and also by incorporating design ideas from the last project meeting .
B: Um , so we need some custom design parts , and other parts we'll just use standard .
B: Um , I assume we'll be custom designing our case ,
B: probably a hard plastic or some other material case , to protect the remote and the locator .
B: And we'll need to custom desi design a circuit board ,
B: because the circuit board has to take the button input and send it to the output so you have to design that each time .
B: But once we come up with a design we'll send it to the circuit people and they'll just print it out .
B: Um , standard parts include the buttons and the wheels , um the iPod-style wheel .
B: The infrared L_E_D_ is actually gonna be included in the circuit board that comes with it .
B: Um , we need a radio sender and receiver , those are standard .
B: And al we also need a beeper or buzzer or other sort of noise thing for locating the remote .
B: So we have some material options .
B: Um , we can use rubber , plastic , wood or titanium .
B: Um , I'd recommend against titanium
B: because it can only be used in the flat cases and it's really heavy .
B: Um , and the rubber case requires rubber buttons , so if we definitely want plastic buttons , we shouldn't have a rubber case .
A: And why not wood ?
B: And ,
B: hmm ?
A: And why not wood ?   B: Uh , well we can use wood .
B: I don't know why we'd want to .
B: Um and also we should note that if we want an iPod-style wheel button , it's gonna require a m qu slightly more expensive chip .
B: We can't use the minimal chip , we need the next higher grade , which is called regular .
B: I don't think it's much more expensive , but it is more expensive .
B: So that's what I've got on design .
A: 'S good .
D: Um , can I do next ? 'Cause I have to say something about the material
A: Hmm .
B: C: Yeah .
D: which is quite shocking .
B: D: Ha . Mm .
D: Right , um , I have been searching the current trends , um , both on the web and via fashion-watchers ,
D: and the findings are that the first thing to aim for is a fashion uh , fancy look and feel .
D: Um . Next comes technologic technology and the innovations to do with that .
D: And th last thing is the easy to use um factor .
D: Um , fancy look and feel goes far beyond the functionality of the thing ,
D: but I suppose that is included in in the ease of use .
D: Um , our fashion-watchers in Milan and Paris have decided , well noticed , that f the fruit and vegetable theme is the is the current trend
A: C: C: A: B: D: and and therefore um we need to go for that if we want , you know , wh whatever our motto is . Um .
D: For fashion , we go for fashion .
A: Mm .
D: The fashion in electronics .
D: So we want to put the fashion electronics , we need to go fruit and vegetables .
D: And also go for a spongy feel ,
D: so the the question of our technology whate is Industrial Designer .
D: As to the material should be limited to D: I don't know how spongy it can be ,
D: should discuss this together ,
D: I don't know how spongy can be achieved but apparently that's the way to go .
D: Um . I I have been thinking about this fruit and vegetable thing and I prefer fruits to vegetables ,
B: D: but that's just a personal opinion .
C: D: I think
A: D: I think people like to have a fruit instead of a vegetables in their sitting room .
B: D: Uh those are just suggestions
D: and also we need to decide whether this should be printed ,
D: so that still has to do with the material discuss
D: should we print the fruit stuff , or should the actual remote look like a fruit ?
A: B: D: Um , and finally again with the spongy .
D: It has to be technologically innovative so maybe again our Industrial Designer should look into that
D: or find come up with a solution that's better than mine .
D: Um , yeah , to summarise these are the points that need to be um , touched in order to get a good decision ,
D: and hopefully our User Interface has more to say about the matter .
C: Mm-hmm .
D: Thank you for your attention .
C: So .
A: I think it's the next it's the blue one , yeah .
C: Oh , uh , there we go .
C: Uh .
C: Okay . Um .
C: Well so that fruit and vegetables thing huh .
D: A: B: C: I actually wasn't aware of the new trends in electronics
A: B: C: and and uh   D: Neither was I .
D: Well it's a trend in fashion , in clothing and um fabrics . A: Yeah but you're not gonna wear your remote control . B: C: So so okay , let me get this right .
C: Okay , uh C: Okay , alright anyway .
C: Um here we go .
C: Conceptual User Interface .
C: Trying C: we're gonna try to talk about , um what kind of uh how people are actually going to be using this iPod-ish remote control , based on fruit vegetable design .
A: C: And , um , basically , so , this is a touched ba a touch-based graphical interface system .
C: Uh , so people are going to be looking at this little screen .
C: Um , kind of C: I mean I assume , are we still on the screen idea ?
A: Oh we s hadn't discussed it last time .
C: 'Cause if we're gonna have to ha if we have this it just seems like in order to have someone going around and using the um the wheel
A: You need a screen for it ?
C: you C: it seems like you would need a screen .
B: You need a screen with music because you're looking for a specific song ,
B: like you know that band or whatever .
C: But like if you think about it B: With T_V_ channels it's , you know , one two three . So C: yeah but if C: so is it just okay .
C: So , b you you're gonna have to switch to like D_V_D_ and like other things like that , aren't you ?
A: We're , um , we're actually not having D_V_D_ ,
C: Are we A: that was one of th I I was B: Yeah .
C: Okay .
D: A: sorry ,
B: A: I I meant to update you on that . Um .
C: Alright . Okay .
D: But the screen can come up on the telly , the she said .
C: Okay . Okay .
D: That correct ?
B: Yeah .
C: So anyway if C: well we just C: we need to C: Okay so if we're not gonna have a screen I think C: I was thinking okay .
C: So basically it's just gonna be a wheel then ?
C: And you're just gonna C: I mean I think you're gonna have to have some kind of a D: Graphical interface ?
C: right .
C: Yeah
D: Uh on the C: like you're g
D: you can have it on the telly though .
C: yeah
A: Yeah .
C: like you're gonna have to be able to switch to like a mode where you can C: okay we're not choosing that , I guess .
C: But like choose channel control ,
C: like if you wa
C: Because people aren't gonna be able to have like , um , you know , channels one two three four five six seven eight nine .
A: Yeah .
C: So that  C: people seems to be well A: You've A: Yeah , I know what you're saying ,
C: You know .
A: you have to C: But you're gonna have to scroll to get channels .
C: So um C: I guess that's wh why I was thinking you may need to have some kind of a screen
C: because C: So that people can go arou go back and forth and choose if C: or or C: then again if you just C: I guess I c
C: I can see like some kind of a thing where like you sort of have like the number come up on the T_V_ like what channel you're on .
D: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
C: You can just scroll and you can just get to like five or like twelve or B: Yeah .
D: Yeah , yeah .
A: But but imagine someone with s
B: My flatmates actually had one with a wheel , and it it did show up on the T_V_ .
C: I oh yeah ?
A: But i what if you have satellite and you have like two hundred channels .
B: A: Then to get to channel one eighty nine you have to C: 'Cause you'll have to like D: Yeah .
B: They have to r wheel really fast .
C: but you can quickly s you can  A: Yeah . B: But I think the wheel goes through like a hundred channels ,
C: Yeah .
D: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
B: at least on theirs .
C: Yeah if you do , it w so it would have to be you C: I mean so you basically just kinda need to figure out like what kind of , you know , range we need to have on the wheel ,
C: and um C: So you're either you're you know , th you're either doing this motion to like control the channels or like once once you stop that , you know , you can like tap for , um , different
A: Yeah .
C: uh , whatchamacallits , different um , you know , functions like volume
C: or , like you can tap just to get to different channels .
C: Like if you just wanted to go to like from five to six you could tap or someth
A: Right .
C: And then there's also the concern about you know um how do you get to the menu if you wanna change the brightness of your television ,
C: or if you want to um you know switch around , I don't know , like , these different modes
C: like turn on the timer or like something something like that ,
A: Yeah
C: like A: I mean with that many options , you'd  uh I'd think that the screen would be better ,
A: because you could have that menu option , sort of C: I would think so too , like C: So I mean C: and it seems it w
C: it does seem a little silly to have this screen if you hardly are ever using it , you know ,
C: because A: Yeah .
C: but then again it would C: it does make kind of C: if the screen's sort of just like an option that , like , is just there and you're not really using it , that's kind of A: Yeah .
B: It's more expensive according to the design people .
C: m yeah .
A: Uh . C: Yeah , that's the only thing though .
B: You have to get a an advanced chip if you wanna have a screen in ,
B: which is more expensive than the regular chip , which is more expensive than the minimal .
C: Yeah .
C: So then basically it has to have some way to get to get to a mode on the television where you're doing , um A: Mm .
C: You can get to you know , you can C: Like maybe it'll be that central button
D: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
C: that , like , then you hit that and then you can it brings up like the menu on the T_V_
B: Mm-hmm .
A: Mm .
D: Yeah .
C: and you can just scroll around , like , to do the timer , to do the A: Yeah .
A: So the T_V_ is the screen , that C: yeah , yeah .
A: yeah
A: So it would have all these different options of changing
C: Yeah .
C: But the remote itself isn't really cluttered up .
A: to D: Look it even has settings .
A: Okay .
C: Hmm ?
D: On the A: Yeah .
B: D: you can just take theirs and just  C: Yeah , well we don't want the screen I guess ,
A: Yeah .
C: but um C: 'cause that just C: it does seem like , it that would be , like , incredibly expensive ,
C: but I dunno ,
C: and then so ,
C: it just im really all you need is , like , this little wheel then , and you can control everything .
B: C: So A: Um , right .
A: What if A: I mean , if you're thinking of the design of it now , like the a you know , physical attributes ,
C: Yeah .
B: A: um , and you just have this , it's like just a long silver thing ,
A: or whatever we're thinking .
A: I mean are you you gonna have any buttons on that besides power and this thing ?
A: Or C: It doesn't seem that you would need anything besides pow
C: I mean and the power button could even be like hold down the menu button for like longer than one second and it turns on the T_V_ .
A: Yeah .
A: So can we imagine that this would be smaller than the remote controls that you showed us before .
A: I mean C: Yeah . Yeah definitely .
C: Like , I think we're looking at something that could be , like like even maybe like a cir I'm f I'm seeing almost like a circular sort of like handheld like thing .
A: okay .
D: Yeah but should be comfortable .
C: I mean it it needs to be easy to A: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: somehow it needs to be easy to like manipulate
C: and use your A: Yeah .
C: I mean how do how do C: I'm not really C: Like when I use an iPod , I end up just kind of using my index finger to like control it . So A: Yeah ,
A: I've seen some people just going like that with their thumb , yeah .
C: Yeah . Or your thumb or something . So B: D: Yeah
D: I use it like that .
B: W when we had the wheely remote control , we it was on the top I think , if you held it like that .
A: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
C: Yeah , so A: But , were there buttons on there as well ?
B: Yeah well it had the wheely thing and then it had those eighteen different buttons that I don't know what they do .
A: Mm .
A: Yeah .
C: Mm yeah .
B: So we just used the top part .
A: Yeah .
C: Yeah ,
D: Uh .
C: so C: but I mean I think it could be pretty small .
C: Like , I d I mean , you you want it to be large enough that
C: you can A: What if , um , you had like a b a cover that went over buttons that you don't use very much ?
A: Like you A: so you could slide it up if you needed to like change the contrast or something like that ?
A: So the options are there but they're not in interfering with the design and the practicality of it .
C: But can't you just get A: Do A: do you know what I'm talking about though ?
B: Yeah .
A: Like , uh , yeah just something B: Yeah like maybe something on the side where you slip a panel down and it's got a whole bunch of C: K
D: Well you can have it on the settings ,
A: Yeah , that you can flip over , yeah , yeah .
D: no ?
C: Yeah ,
C: But , I mean , do you need that ?
C: If if you can get to , you know if C: so long as you're able to bring up the menu on the T_V_ screen .
A: Yeah I mean I guess that's the thing
B: Yeah .
C: That keeps it
A: is is if w I C: really A: if we can do this , that'd probably be C: Yeah .
C: Uh you wouldn't C: I don't C: I just don't think you would even need it .
A: Yeah , yeah .
C: So A: So I guess we have to look into the , um , like , the programming , how this how they actually programme these things , and if that's C: Mean B: Oh how they make the menu show up on the T_V_ ?
A: yeah .
C: I mean you can do it ,
B: I don't know .
A: I mean it would y would that would be D: They already do it .
C: you it's B: I believe it's ins it's gotta be inside the T_V_ , not inside the remote .
C: it doesn't seem that hard .
C: I mean I've never bought a remote .
B: I'm not sure .
C: It sounds like this remote's going to be purchased separately from the television ,
B: D: A: C: which is a little B: Well they usually are .
B: Well C: My C: I've never bought just a remote , like , so I don't I don't really know .
D: No .
A: Huh .
C: But um B: I guess that's right . It always comes with the T_V_ . C: So , um A: C: but I mean it's C: I've never had a hard time with like my remotes ,
C: like bringing up the menu screen if you need to like change the date or whatever , you know .
C: And I don't think that should uh that should be too hard .
B: Yeah ,
B: it B: most of the ones we've had have had the menu button ,
B: 'cause it's not like you need to have a button access to like change the contrast or something .
C: Yeah .
B: 'Cause it just doesn't come up every day or something .
C: Yeah .
C: Well so C: So , do we need C: I dunno .
C: Well I guess we have to you know think about C: But I mean you just basically need the output signal you know to be able to bring it up .
B: Mm-hmm .
A: Yeah .
A: Okay .
C: That's what it does anyway .
B: D: But also if you have it on the screen you can actually write everything out ,
D: because the problem with buttons is you like , they have these sort of abbreviations and codes that you're supposed to understand ,
C: Yeah .
B: Yeah . A: Yeah ,
A: you don't know they mean , yeah ,
D: and I never get it .
B: A: it's like C: Yeah .
D: Never ever .
A: yeah .
D: So C: So , but C: oh , you mean if we have this screen like the iPod screen ?
D: Well on the telly .
B: Or on the T_V_ too .
C: On the telly , okay , yeah .
C: So yeah I think , I mean , I think I think the touch-based graphical interface is a really uh cool idea
B: C: because you know it is so obnoxious to like have to push those like okay now I hit this you know , you have your little guide out and you're like , hit this button twice , like to activate the date .
A: Mm .
D: Mm .
A: And it is technologically innovative in a way ,
A: so that fits with the B: C: Yeah . I guess .
C: And it is trendy , the iPods are really hot right now , so