Industrial Designer: So which vegetable ? Project Manager: Well I mean we could make a User Interface: Yeah , I know , carrot .
Project Manager: Yeah . Industrial Designer: Okay . Project Manager: Well , si since we're going for the uh the k the sort of company colours , I think your lemon wasn't that far s Industrial Designer: The the lemon . Well what are the options ?
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: And if it doesn't work you know , we've just made a lemon .  User Interface: But we don't want it to be Yeah . Um the child-friendly , yeah . Easy to use , it seems quite easy to use . I like the d the different shapes of the buttons and stuff .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm . I like I like the colourful buttons as well .
User Interface: I think that's a good idea to go for . Yeah . And the mouse one , I thought it was a good idea , because people use mo mice mouses now with the scrolling thing . Um .
Project Manager: Yeah . I mean we are marketing to sort of twenty five to thirty five ,
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: so most people will have come in contact with that kind of use .
User Interface: S yeah . So they'd be able to use that um , as I said I think i I'd presume it would come up on the screen .
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: Um so there you go .
Project Manager: And that means tha that means you get to bump that bit to the T_V_ maker , so User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Oh .
User Interface: So that's um the user interface
Project Manager: 'Kay .
User Interface: design .
Project Manager:  Industrial Designer: Okay .
User Interface: So okay , I'll take this out now then .
Industrial Designer: Um so
Project Manager: User Interface: There you go .
Industrial Designer: I guess there are a lot of options that we're gonna have to choose from among ,
Project Manager: Yeah , looks like it .
Industrial Designer: and I'll I'll give you the uh , I guess , technical considerations for those .
User Interface: Mm .
Project Manager: Uh User Interface: Industrial Designer: And I'm gonna use the whiteboard , just 'cause we haven't used it .
Project Manager: Yeah , I was just thinking the self same thing . User Interface: Industrial Designer: Right . So , the way I'm gonna do this is uh we're gonna take a look at some old remote controls , see how they work , uh reuse the the vital kind of um essential pieces of it ,
Project Manager: Industrial Designer: and then we'll throw in our new innovations um and keep it all within budget .
Project Manager: Magic man .
Industrial Designer: So uh yeah , looking inside a a very simple remote control . Um this is what they sent me . 'Kay . Here's uh the competition , I suppose .
Project Manager: Industrial Designer: Um you open it up , there's a circuit board inside ,
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: um and there's a a chip , a processor , the T_A_ one one eight three five , which um receives input from the buttons , and ch
Project Manager: So this is a standard off the shelf kind of a chip , is it ?
Industrial Designer: Right , it's very they're very cheap remote . This remote costs nothing , you know . Um so that takes a signals from the buttons and translates it into a sequence of pulses that it then sends to the to the amplifier , which is made of some transistors and amplifiers , op-amps , and then that gets sent to the uh to the L_E_D_ light , which I can kinda see is that little red light bulb at the end ,
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: and that sends out the infrared uh light signal to the television .
Project Manager: Right .
Industrial Designer: Oh here it is . Um so this is kind of the the bear essentials that we need to have in our remote control , because it it defines the uh Project Manager: Okay . So can we make them to pretty much any size we like or is there a minimum or ?
Industrial Designer: R Um no , I mean this is a very old one , so now with the new technology this is a a minimally small and cheap thing to make .
Project Manager: They gotta be  Almost a key-ring . Industrial Designer: Right . So this is what we need to have for certain .
Project Manager: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Um . So you know , as we said , we got the outer casing , which we have to decide , you know , what's it gonna be , um the board we have to use basically uh the same set-up , processor , um we'll probably use the more advanced processor than they had , amplifier and transmitter are all standard . Um so for the casing , uh this an e-mail I got from our manufacturing team uh , you know , we have a bunch of options from wood , titanium , rubber , plastic , whatnot , um latex , double-curved , curved . So lots of choices ,
User Interface: Project Manager: 'Kay .
Industrial Designer: what do we think ? Uh or sponge , I guess , isn't on there , right .
Project Manager: Well .
User Interface: Mm . I'm not sure about the sponge .
Industrial Designer: Organic sponge . Project Manager: Well , I mean like la latex has a kinda spongy feeling to it , doesn't it .
Industrial Designer: Uh yeah , it's very elasticy for sure .
Project Manager: Um Yeah . And that would k also give it kinda durability
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: and
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Um .
Project Manager: and ther that's also f sorta relatively cheap to cast .
Industrial Designer: Yeah so Project Manager: Um so maybe s uh a sort of uh plastic initial plastic with a a latex kinda sheath ?
Industrial Designer: Okay so , here are a a plastic , uh latex User Interface: I like the rubber , the stress balls , I think ,
Project Manager: Oh right , okay .
User Interface: you know , that could be a bit of a gimmick like it's good to hold and Industrial Designer: Oh right .
Project Manager: I don't know what that stuff is . Industrial Designer: So something with give to it .
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Okay . And
User Interface: And that might be quite durable and easy to chuck around .
Industrial Designer: and the colour is yellow , right ?
User Interface: Yeah ,
Project Manager: Or at least incorporating , yeah . User Interface: y yellow incorporated , yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yellow , okay . Um .
Project Manager: I mean I forgot i we're sort of uh I don't know what other standard silver kind of User Interface: I think Project Manager: Other parts or uh User Interface: Mm . Yeah , the buttons w like , 'cause there's gonna be the the cover the the rubber or the plastic casing and then the buttons in probably two different colours
Project Manager: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Mm' kay .
User Interface: or i if we're having buttons actually ,
Industrial Designer: So yellow for the body ,
User Interface: I don
Project Manager: Um .
Industrial Designer: and then what colour for the buttons ?
Project Manager: Um I quite like the multi-coloured buttons myself .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: So multi-coloured buttons .
User Interface: You do have ones like um play could be green or on and off is red , and stuff like that , yeah .
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: Yeah or yeah a limit uh maybe even just a limited multi-colour so it it doesn't look too childish , perhaps .
User Interface: Makes it easy to use . Yeah , that's true , because that blue one did look quite hardish .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: Yeah . Although I mean this uh uh also comes to shape as well . I mean if we are gonna make it a novel I mean double-curved sounds good to me if we're talking about sorta ergonomic and easy use ,
Industrial Designer: Okay .
User Interface: Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm . Yeah .
Project Manager: a bit comfier , you know .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Mm 'kay so the shape we wanna go Um how exactly ? Maybe double User Interface: Like uh an hour glass kind of figure , is that what you're thinking of ,
Project Manager: Yeah it's uh , yeah , that that'd be that's sort of comfortable to hold , easy to hold so you don't drop it .
User Interface: or just like a It's not Industrial Designer: What about a banana ?
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: User Interface: We could make novelty remote controls .
Industrial Designer: Yeah ? Okay , like we could have a big banana shaped remote control ,
Project Manager: Well , yeah , I mean like Industrial Designer: 'cause it's yellow fruit ,
User Interface: Industrial Designer: right ?
Project Manager: Yeah , yeah . Mm and a lemon might be a little hard to grip . Yeah . User Interface: Yeah . But then how would you point it ?
Marketing: Ah
Industrial Designer: Marketing: yeah . Mm-hmm .
User Interface: How would you point it ?
Industrial Designer: Oh i it doesn't matter which end you point , I guess .
User Interface: What Industrial Designer: We could have a little L_E_D_s on each end .
Marketing: Yeah , I appreciate this idea ,
Project Manager: They only cost pennies .
User Interface: Industrial Designer: Marketing: because then this  this will help us in our advertisement also
Project Manager: Marketing: and we can relate with fruits and vegetables , the people's choices . That what our data shows that , so this w this w
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: Huh ?
User Interface: y I'm I'm not sure about the banana idea .
Marketing: Project Manager: Um .
Industrial Designer: So a spongy banana re Marketing: Project Manager: I mean that that th User Interface: Rubber banana .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: does
User Interface: Okay .
Project Manager: it does seem a bit uh again childish maybe . User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Okay , okay .
User Interface: I think maybe just draw on the kind of fruit and vegetable shape . And what else did you say about fashions ? What was trendy ?
Marketing: Uh the fashion trend shows that fruits and vegetables ,
Project Manager: S
Industrial Designer: See Marketing: like people uh now Project Manager: And sponginess .
Industrial Designer: So maybe an an unidentifiable fruit or fiable fruit or vegetable
User Interface: And spongy , yeah .
Marketing: Spongy .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: like so it would have a stem perhaps
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: and a
User Interface: Maybe , yeah .
Industrial Designer: maybe a it'd be s axially symmetric .
Project Manager: Huh .
User Interface: Like what's what's that , I don't even know the name of it , some kind of , you know where it's like looks like a little snowman kind of thing . I don't know the name of that .
Industrial Designer: So it'd look like this kinda .
User Interface: Yeah , that's what I was thinking .
Industrial Designer: Like a gourd almost , or a squash of some sort ?
Project Manager: Uh .
User Interface: Yeah , maybe that's what they are .
Project Manager: User Interface: 'Cause that you can hold it in like the bottom bit
Industrial Designer: Yeah ,
User Interface: and Industrial Designer: and it has a a clear top and bottom so y so you could say , you know , it transmits from this end .
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah , why the hell not . Let's that'll make us fifty million Euros .
User Interface: I don't know . What do you guy What do you think ?
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: Um . Well , I guess it's kind of dra uh you don't necessarily have to have it sort of clearly identified as a fruit just to have that kind of fruitish shape ,
User Interface: No .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: yeah ?
User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah , then only we can relate it with something .
Project Manager: Yeah , we can relate it by advertising or Marketing: Yeah . Exactly .
Industrial Designer: Okay , so double-curved , single-curved , what do we feel ?
Project Manager: Yeah .
Marketing: Or we can do something , we can design two three shapes and we can have a public survey , let the public choose what they want .
User Interface: Uh-huh .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: There's a good man . There's a good idea .
User Interface: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Okay um , I guess , since you're the marketing guy .
Marketing: Yeah , sure . I will be happy to do that .
Project Manager: Industrial Designer: We'll uh Okay , we could do that . Um .
User Interface: Okay . And buttons would , did we say ? Uh different shapes of buttons ?
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: Um I l I su I mean for the specific functions , you know , up and down , uh play , stop .
User Interface: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Okay , so
Project Manager: They've got , I mean , they've got standard sort of intuitive um
Industrial Designer: so buttons .
Project Manager: things that are always used .
Industrial Designer: Okay , just like that .
User Interface:  Project Manager: That's cool .
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: I like it .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: Um . Industrial Designer: With the scroll-wheel or no ?
User Interface: Yeah , what about the scroll wheel and speech recognition ? Project Manager: Uh speech recognition , I think , so we need a microphone presumably .
Industrial Designer: Okay uh I could put the microphone here . Project Manager: User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Industrial Designer: Okay there's the microphone .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Where should I put the microphone ?
Project Manager: I mean ho h h wel are we sure that scroll wheel does give ease of use ?
User Interface: Yeah , I'm not sure . Um I mean those ideas I saw were just for inspiration , I think .
Project Manager: Glad , we're not doing this for real .
User Interface: Um yeah , I can no I'm not sure .
Industrial Designer: Okay , well we can do some user test with scroll-wheels , right ?
User Interface: I couldn Yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: And uh I think if this this new software for the sound recognition is the microphone Industrial Designer: Okay .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: So should the microphone be just anywhere on it or Project Manager: I would put it sort of sub-centrally , so it's Yeah .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: 'Kay there's the mic .
Project Manager: So it can be sort of held and w  User Interface: That's cool .
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: We really need really gonna need to hold it , if it's gonna be voice recognition .
Industrial Designer: Um n well we can Whoops . Project Manager: Oops . User Interface:  Industrial Designer: Um .
Project Manager: Um .
User Interface: So let's not use the whiteboard any more . Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Marketing: Industrial Designer: Um .
Marketing: Project Manager: Upsidaisy . Industrial Designer: Oops , sorry . Okay .
User Interface: And uh so what else was there ? Um the Industrial Designer: Project Manager: User Interface: What about the glow-in-the-dark thing , the strip around it ?
Project Manager: I s I still like it .
User Interface: Are we just gonna leave that ?
Project Manager: Um but that's me . User Interface: You still like it . 'Cause we've got the uh technological innovation with the speech recognition system .
Industrial Designer: Right .
Project Manager: Yes , or maybe it's just going a bit uh too far . I mean we are pushing it probably with funny fruit shapes .
User Interface: 'Cause um it could Yeah .
Project Manager: Um don't wanna sort of overkill .
User Interface: Especially with yellow . Mm . I dunno .
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
Project Manager: 'Cause I mean like uh if we I mean how good is the speech recognition thing ? Do we want to go for buttons at all , do we want to just have a device that maybe sits and pretends it's a fruit ? User Interface: Then you put it in the fruit bowl ?
Industrial Designer:   They can work from a Project Manager: Yeah , you know , and then you just tal
Industrial Designer: You don't have to hold it .
Project Manager: I mean like everybody's got fruit bowl in front of the telly .
Industrial Designer: Yeah . User Interface: Mm-hmm . Industrial Designer: I it could even encourage healthier habits for television watchers ,
Project Manager: Um . Industrial Designer: you know they have uh fruits all round them .
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah . Make them make them think of fruit , yeah .
Industrial Designer: Now just make sure they don't eat the remote .
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: I mean uh some uh I
User Interface: Yeah , do we need buttons ?
Project Manager: l like think of a fruit that could sit sort of independently on its own like uh , I dunno , an apple .
User Interface: Mm .
Project Manager: Then it's just apple so sort of Industrial Designer: Yeah . Project Manager: Uh , yellow apples though Hmm . User Interface: I quite like the shape . I quite like the design of that , uh 'cause that could sit on its own and it's quite got a quite steady base .
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: Yeah . Okay , yeah , that's good .
Industrial Designer: Okay . But yeah Project Manager: Groovy .
User Interface: Um
Project Manager: User Interface: and as we say we n we don't wanna be too ridiculous with the fruit things you know .
Project Manager: Yeah , . Industrial Designer: But yeah , about the speech thing , it doesn't have to be hand held or close .
User Interface: Industrial Designer: It can sit at a distance and pick it up still .
Project Manager: Yeah . So I mean like you could actually User Interface: Okay .
Marketing: Or we can Project Manager: Yeah , gives you the options .
Marketing: we can do one thing , we can just have a remote control and casings of different different shapes , different fruit shapes in such a way that a any casing can be could be fit into this mobile general piece .
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: So whatever people want , like if somebody want it in banana shape , we will put that casing onto that mobile phone , okay ,
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: So a selection of casings .
User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Marketing: it will look l Uh yeah . In that w
Project Manager: It kind of fi it fits with f fits with marketing um User Interface: Yeah , 'cause you said about disposable ,
Marketing: S s sorry ?
User Interface: didn't you ? You said about disposable earli people want disposable things
Marketing: Uh like if this is a like if this is a mobile phone uh we will design casing in such a way like half of , we need not to have a full cover , we will just have a half of cover ,
Project Manager: User Interface: so we could do that , like have a choice . Yeah .
Marketing: okay ? If somebody wants it i in banana shape , we will fit banana shape casing onto that , so it will give a banana shape look .
Project Manager: Like like mobiles , yeah .
User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: If somebody wanted in apple shape we will design that , we will put we will put apple shape casing on that . It will give apple shape look . So in that way you can have any , that means whatever you want ,
User Interface: Okay .
Project Manager: User Interface: Okay .
Marketing: without uh yeah .
User Interface: We still need the buttons in the same places thought ,
Marketing: Yeah , button will be on the upper side , buttons will be the on the upper side .
User Interface: don't we ?
Project Manager: You can standardise those , I mean .
User Interface: Marketing: Yeah , buttons will be on the upper side , lower side we will just put the casing ,
User Interface: Oh , that's the other side . Oh , okay .
Marketing: so half of that will be look the User Interface: Oh , half a fruit . Oh , okay , okay .
Marketing: Yeah , not not the upper side . So from lower you can , it means while you are holding of from this side you c you can have banana look or apple look , whatever .
User Interface: Okay , okay .
Marketing: So in that way we need not to d have different different shape mobiles everything , we will just design casings fruit shape .
Industrial Designer: Yeah yeah .
Marketing: And Project Manager: I think tho I think if you're gonna have a facia then you'd want to have it so that it does go over the buttons ,
User Interface: Okay .
Project Manager: 'cause when if you think about it if they're wanting it , 'cause they want to look at it , if they're using it , and what they want to look at is facing away from them . It doesn't really User Interface: Mm mm .
Project Manager: You know 'cause that'd be in the palm of their hand and they wouldn't be able to see it ,
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: unless you have sort of you got the buttons options on one side , and you get the facia on the other side with a microphone so that you can place it face down . And you've got the facia , and you can just talk at the User Interface: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: Maybe . Industrial Designer:  Okay , um so Marketing: Project Manager: So you've narrowed it down to half a dozen options .
Industrial Designer: Yeah ,
Marketing: Industrial Designer: s I guess we decided on material , right ? So that that spongy latex rubber everything feel ,
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: and the colours we got down ,
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: and the shape , maybe we'll just make it kinda mix and match type of shape or Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: Yeah . Well , um because Well , I I'm not sure if we should go so far in the whole fruit thing , because I think we should maybe just take the inspiration from the fruit and uh because what Project Manager: Okay , so we stick with what we've got there .
User Interface: Yeah , w I think wh wha would we're trying to get to twenty five , thirty five year olds who want it quite trendy as well they said . They wanted something that looks fancy and I think maybe fruit could be a bit of a too much of a gimmick , but something ergonomically shaped and organic , like good to hold , based on fruits and natural things like that ,
Project Manager: Mm 'kay .
User Interface: because al already we're going a bit gaudy with the yellow , you know .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm . User Interface: I mean we could make it nice pale yellow .
Project Manager: Well , it's kind of gotta be our company's yellow . User Interface: Okay .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
Project Manager: So again I mean like we could have , uh I mean , we could quite easily have the the main body be a different
User Interface: Okay . Yeah .
Project Manager: colour , but have User Interface: Maybe we could have that pale yellow and then an outside bit bright yellow with , you said , the logan the slogan .
Project Manager: kinda going round , yeah .
Industrial Designer: Mm .
Project Manager: Um I mean e even if User Interface: Because Project Manager: I mean not necessarily that the um the whole body has to be of the company colour , so you know um blue and yellow tend to go to we well together .
User Interface: Yeah .
Project Manager: So you have the main body blue with the yellow logo and slogan running up one side of it kind of thing .
User Interface: Yeah . Yeah . Uh-huh .
Industrial Designer: Mm-hmm .
Project Manager: W sort of Industrial Designer: Great . Um as for the energy source um , you know , almost every remote control uses just batteries , but we don't have to be limited by that . We can use a hand-dynamo . Um I don't know what that means , we crank it ? Project Manager: Uh It's I think it's basically the more you move i it , it's got a wee thing inside that just kinda powers it .
Industrial Designer: Right , it's like those watches that you c
Project Manager: Uh yeah .
Industrial Designer: So , this might be an idea for something that people really wanna grab , you can shake it if it's out of power .
User Interface: Oh , a d a dynamo ?
Marketing: Yeah , .
Project Manager: Yeah , I like that , yeah .
User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: User Interface: Yeah , like with those watches that you kind of twist .
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: Yeah that's quite cool .
Industrial Designer: Okay . So if it if it's not working , I guess people's natural reaction anyway is to just shake the thing . Marketing: But  Project Manager: Okay . You shake it and scream at it .
Marketing: But but do you think that it will be a good idea to use dynamo , tha these type of cells ?
Project Manager: Yeah .
User Interface: Yeah , it is , yeah .
Marketing: Because then people have to , well like if the cell is out of bat
Project Manager: It does leave them with an obligation to Marketing: Yeah , to mo Yeah .
Project Manager: Especially if they want to use it uh uh sp uh specifically as um voice activated .
Marketing: Yeah ,
Industrial Designer: Right .
Marketing: because most of the people Project Manager: Then if it's just sitting on the User Interface: Yeah , then they have to pick it up and then activate it and then Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah . Project Manager: Okay , okay .
Industrial Designer: Okay .
User Interface: That's true .
Project Manager: Right um what are the other options ?
Industrial Designer: Uh there's solar power . Um .
Marketing: Uh , solar power will w also not be a good idea , because then they have to keep m their mobiles outside in solar energy ,
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Marketing: and the days when there is no sola sunlight  Project Manager: I'm I'm with uh Raj on that ,
Industrial Designer: Okay , so probably just Marketing: Yeah . Yeah .
Project Manager: I think , you know ,
Marketing: What we w
Project Manager: I've got I've got no I've got a north facing house , there's not really ever sun coming in my window .
User Interface: Marketing: yeah . I think we should a rechargeable battery will be a good idea .
User Interface: But w like just normal light ?
Project Manager: Oh that's true .
Marketing: They can they can recharge it .
Project Manager: I mean I w I w uh
User Interface: Project Manager: that idea that I thought um just on the basis of like ridding them of batteries and that kind of bother
Industrial Designer: Mm .
Project Manager: is having a ,
User Interface: And we're a very environmentally friendly company , aren't we as well ?
Project Manager: yeah ,
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: having a rechargeable stand , so that not only it doubles as a stand , but um for using it as uh recharging it , but also for using it as sound recognition .
User Interface: Yeah .
Marketing: Yeah .
User Interface: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: 'Kay .
User Interface: Like like a hand like one of those portable phones kind of thing .
Marketing: Yeah , that's Yeah , exactly .
Project Manager: Yeah that kind of thing .
Industrial Designer: Okay . So uh a rechargeable battery .
Marketing: Yeah .
Project Manager: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Okay . Um the user interface , the buttons , I guess we talked about this already .
Project Manager: Rechargeable .
User Interface: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Um .
Project Manager: . What's chip on print ? What's Industrial Designer: Hmm ?
Project Manager: Sorry , never mind . Industrial Designer: Uh th the uh the electronics um , basically the more features we add um Oops , this one . So the more features we add the fancier chips we need to buy and put in ,

Summary: In the second half of the meeting, the team discussed the details of the features and appearances of the new remotes. Lots of ideas and proposals were raised, but many of them were denied or modified later. In the end, the team reached a consensus that their new remotes would have batteries that could be recharged, pale yellow slogans, fruits-based shapes and sponge rubber material.