Industrial Designer: Okay , what does the interface look like ? Um well push button , that's that's the one we're all familiar with . Um we can have scroll buttons and the the scroll button can incorporate a push ,
Project Manager: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: so you can have it like on a mouse where you can use it to go up and down , change volume or channel or something like that and push to select something . Um you can have multiple scroll buttons , um this is maybe getting a little bit complicated , but um it's it the technology is there . And we can also incorporate an L_C_D_ display in the remote , but this will increase the cost .  Um the electronics that actually makes the device work , we've basically got three , simple , regular , advanced , and the price goes up as we choose each of this . If we want the nice cheap one , the simple , then we can only have push buttons . All the other fancy interface designs go out the window , I'm afraid . Um pay a little bit more for a regular chip and you can have scroll buttons . If you want the advanced chip it obviously costs more , but it that's what you need if you want the L_C_D_ display . And the manufacturing devision tell me that they have recently developed um sample sensor sample speaker devices . Now I don't know what that is , but I think they think it's quite important and we might want to incorporate it somewhere . Um ou our real expertise is in push buttons , I have to say , but maybe you think that's old technology . Marketing: Mm .
Industrial Designer: And well I I think we've got two options . We can either go for a really cheap model , keep all of the costs down , um which means a flat plastic case with an ordinary battery and simple push buttons . Or we can have something that looks a bit nicer , I think it , um won't necessarily l uh look like a pineapple , but um that may or may not be a good thing .
Marketing: User Interface: Industrial Designer: Sorry . Um but it could have an L_C_D_ screen and it could have multiple scroll buttons , and it could have the the company's new development of the um sample sensor and speaker . So , thank you .
Marketing: That sounds good . Any idea  you you mentioned that there would be a cost difference .
Industrial Designer: Yeah ,
Marketing: Um do you have any idea if if this could if the fancy model could be done in twelve Euros fifty ?
Industrial Designer: I'm afraid I don't have that information available . Um manufacturing didn't actually give attach any prices to any of this , I'm afraid .
Project Manager: Hmm .
Marketing: Hmm . Because , you know what , I'm being quite serious when I say that that um the things I mentioned are hot . But I think the important thing might be to choose one .
Industrial Designer: Yeah mm-hmm .
Marketing: You know , if if what you're telling me is is um some of these things aren't just f aren't feasible , maybe we could something about naming , we could call it , you know , Blackberry .
User Interface: Bear bear in mind it has to be the colours and styles of the company ,
Marketing: That's uh User Interface: so what I had been thinking was something chunky and yellow and plastic with black buttons with a logo on it .
Industrial Designer: Banana ?
Marketing: Alright , well let's see then .
User Interface: But um I I don't know how important that is to keep it exactly the colours of the Real Reaction company .
Marketing: Yeah .
User Interface: It's just what I'd understood we'd be doing . That's before I heard about all this hot tips about the future , fruit-wise .
Marketing: Yeah . But yeah ,
Industrial Designer: We we could we could do um a double curved rubber one ,
Marketing: I'm trying to streamline mine a little bit .
Industrial Designer: which would allow um say a banana , but um unfortunately I see from my notes that if we do that , we have to have a push button as the interface ,
Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: we can't do anything fancier .
User Interface: Shall we wait 'til I've 'til I've showed you what well , my extensive presentation on what sort of interfaces are available .
Marketing: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: Marketing: Yeah .
Industrial Designer: Yep .
Marketing: Mm . Thank you , Kate .
Project Manager: Thank you , Kate .
Marketing: Mm .
User Interface: You did seem to include just in more detail what I've got though . So so mine's a bit pointless . Right . Industrial Designer: User Interface: F_N_ and F_ eight , did you say ?
Project Manager: Yes . There we go .
Industrial Designer:  User Interface: I don't have it on mine though .
Marketing: Oh I think um Florence resolved it by
Industrial Designer: I If you do F_ uh F_N_ F_ eight again , it's it'll Project Manager: Do it again .
Marketing: F_ eight again .
Project Manager: Keep doing it until you get it in both you get it there , you get it yours without that one ,
Industrial Designer: I think it yeah , you you will do an Project Manager: and then you get it with both .
User Interface: Should I do it again ?
Project Manager: Yeah .
Marketing: Maybe .
Industrial Designer: Project Manager: This time it should come up both .
User Interface: Right then . I don't actually have a huge amount of different information then what Kate says ,
Project Manager: Okay .
User Interface: just that my method was to look at the , well , my my inspirations , which was a big collection of lots of different models of remote controls and other things that use a similar sort of thing , including M_P_ three players , uh like you know , hi-fi remotes , not just television and these things .
Project Manager: Mm-hmm . Mm .
User Interface: Uh having a think about the feature of ea the features of each ones , um what functions we actually need , and then how to group and arrange these on the actual the actual plastic or rubber hand-held piece . Uh I've been especially interested in the iPod style scroll wheel , which Well , I couldn't find a the picture of the iPod w only linked to a web browser , so I couldn't copy and paste it , but it had a similar thing to this thing on the right . It has uh scroll wheels without without a display , but they they scroll like a computer mouse .
Project Manager: Hmm .
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
User Interface: So I was thinking that uh um a really simple a really simple interface with just a couple of scroll things on it um and then instead of a display the display could appear on the television screen . Like I guess an existing Sky or cable one does . Like , you know , you press enter and it comes up with what's showing on that channel at the moment , and you can do you can scroll along and it'll show you what's on in the next half hour , and you scroll up
Marketing: User Interface: and you can see what's on the other channels while you're watching the same channel on the screen . Uh but I'm also equally taken with this chunky plastic kiddie remote ,
Marketing: Mm .
User Interface: um which is really nice and fun and good to hold and nice , big , easy buttons to press , but still quite simple and quite cost effective . So
Project Manager: User Interface: what seems kind of ideal for me would be to just have a fairly simple , uh not fancy but not totally minimalist , I mean just pretty simple plastic , probably , I was thinking , yellow and black , just because that's the company's colours , with very very few buttons , but that would correspond to a screen that would appear on the television screen , like , you know , just small along the bottom instead of instead of having the iPod style display screen on the actual remotes , which is far too expensive .
Project Manager: Mm .
Industrial Designer: Hmm .
User Interface: And when you've got a screen sitting there in front of you , you might as well have it appearing uh on the screen in front of you , it doesn't obscure much of the actual picture you're watching .
Industrial Designer: Yeah .
User Interface: And so on that you can , just much in the same way as an existing Sky remote , scroll along , scroll up and down .
Industrial Designer: Yeah , I'd I'd certainly support that idea .