F: SUN - Blades .
F: Yeah .
D: Yeah .
F: They came in the other day .
A: They came in but they 're not set up yet .
B: Oh .
A: And so it seems to me we could hang scratch disk on those because they 'll be in the machine room ,
A: they 'll be on the fast connection to the rest of the machines .
A: And if we just need un - backed - up space , we could just hang disks off them .
F: Well , is there F: Why not just hang them off of Abbott ,
F: is there a B: Yeah .
A: Because there 's no more room in the disk racks on Abbott .
F: Ah .
F: Ah , I see .
B: Weren't we gonna get B: Well , maybe it should get another rack .
D: But you still need to store the disks somehow .
A: Well , but the SUN - Blades have spare drive bays .
D: So F: You can put two A: Just put them in .
D: Oh you mean you put them inside the pizza boxes for the C: Internal .
A: Sure .
C: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
D: Oh .
A: Cuz the SUN uh , these SUN - Blades take commodity hard drives .
A: So you can just go out and buy a PC hard drive and stick it in .
D: Mmm .
B: But if Abbott is going to be our disk server it it file server <comment> it seems like we would want to get it , uh , a second disk rack or something .
D: Plus we 're talking about buying a second dis uh , file server .
A: Well , I mean there are lots of long term solutions .
A: What I 'm looking for is where do we s expand the next meeting ?
C: Yep .
D: I see  Oh , I see .
B: Well , for the next meeting you might be out of luck with those ten ,
B: mightn't you ?
B: Uh , you know Dave Johnson is gone for , like , ten days ,
A: Oh , I didn't know he had left already .
B: Uh , well , tonight .
A: Oh , oh well .
D: You mean he won't set up the D: mmm .
E: How much space do you need for these ?
B: I don't know .
B: I don't know what his schedule is .
A: You we need about a gig per meeting .
B: I 'm just saying he 's gone .
F: I I thi
C: Yep .
E: I have um I have an eighteen gig drive hanging off of my computer .
A: Alright !
E: So A: What 's your computer 's name ?
E: Uh , Samosa .
B: You had an eighteen gigabyte drive .
E: Yeah , I had .
E: Well it 's about I think there 's about twelve gig left .
A: So it And you have an X drives installed ?
E: Yeah .
A: OK .
E: So , I didn't realize it was so critical .
A: And you 're o you 're offering ?
E: I mean I 'm not doing anything on it right now until I get new meetings to transcri or that are new transcriptions coming in I really can't do anything .
A: OK .
F: I I jus I just gave Thilo some about ten gigs , the last ten gigs of space that there was on on uh Abbott .
E: Um not that I can't do anything , I jus
F: Uh And uh F: So but that But A: Which one was that , X G ?
A: X G ?
C: XG .
F: XG .
A: OK .
F: Yeah .
D: XG ?
D: That 's also where we store the The uh Hub - five training set waveforms ,
C: Oops .
F: No .
D: right ?
A: But that won't be getting any bigger ,
F: I don't think that 's on XG .
A: will it ?
D: Right .
F: On XG is only Carmen and Du - and Stephane 's disk .
C: It 's D: But I 've also been storing I 've been storing the feature files there
C: Yeah .
D: and I guess I can s start deleting some because we now know what the best features are
E: Well D: and we won't be using the old ones anymore .
F: Yeah , I do I don't think it was on XG .
E: I have a lot of space , though .
D: Uh Oh thats XA Oh that 's X C: Isn't that XH ?
F: I th
E: I have a lot of space and it 's not it 's n
A: Not not for long .
E: There 's very little uh E: Yeah
E: not for long .
E: But I mean it 's not going f
D: Maybe I 'm confu
D: Oh no I 'm sorry .
E: It 's not being used often at all .
C: But I 'm using XH H , too .
A: Yeah , it 's probably Probably only about four gig is on X on your X drive ,
C: So .
D: Oh OK .
A: but we 'll definitely take it up if you E: I th
D: I think you 're right .
E: I think it 's about four or five gig
D: It 's XH and D E: cuz I have four meetings on there ,
D: The b
D: I 'm also using DG
D: I got that confused .
E: three or four meetings .
D: OK .
A: Great .
E: So .
B: We need A: OK , so that will get us through the next couple days .
B: We need another gigaquad .
A: Yep .
A: At least .
B: There should I d There should just be a b I should have a button .
B: Just press Press each meeting saying " we need more disk space " " this week " .
A: The " more disk space " button ?
A: Yep .
B: Skip the rest of the conversation .
F: Well we 've collected so far something like uh sixty - five meetings .
F: And it 's about a gig uncompressed .
B: And And how much does each meeting take ?
C: It 's It 's a little bit more as I usually don't do not uncompress the all of the PZM and the PDA things .
F: Is a little more ?
F: Right , yeah so if you uncompressed everything it 's even more .
C: So .
C: It 's C: Yeah .
C: One point five or something .
F: U Uh compressed how much are they ?
F: Like A: Half a gig .
F: About half ?
A: For all of them .
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
C: Yep .
F: So we 're definitely are storing you know , all of those .
F: So there 's what
F: thirty some gig of just meetings so far ?
B: So - so So maybe there 's a hundred gig or something .
B: Or F: Mm - hmm .
B: I mean . Cuz we we have the uncompressed around also .
F: Right .
C: Yeah .
B: So it 's like F: Right .
F: Well we We haven't uncompressed all the meetings ,
F: but A: I would like to .
B: Yeah .
B: Well I mean it 's the they really are cheap .
B: I mean it 's just a question of figuring out where they should be and hanging them ,
F: Right .
A: Yep .
B: but But uh , we could You know , if you want to get four disks , get four disks .
B: I mean it 's it 's small I mean these things ar are just a few hundred dollars .
F: Yeah .
F: Well I sent that message out to , I guess , you and Dave asking for if we could get some disk .
B: Yeah .
F: I s I sent this out a a day ago
A: And put it where ?
B: Right .
F: but and Dave didn't respond so I don I don't know how the whole process works .
F: I mean does he just go out and get them and if it 's OK , and A: Yep .
F: So I was assuming he was gonna take over that .
F: But he 's probably too busy given that he 's leaving .
B: Yeah , I think you need a direct conversation with him .
B: And just say an - e just ask him that , you know , wha what should you do .
B: And in my answer back was " are you sure you just want one ? "
B: So I mean I think that what you want to do is plan ahead a little bit and figure " well , here 's what we pi figure on doing for the next few months " .
F: Yeah .
A: Wa - a I know what they want .
A: The sysadmins would prefer to have one external drive per machine .
B: Yeah .
A: So they don't want to stack up external drives .
A: Um  And then they want everything else in the machine room .
B: Right .
A: So the question is where are you gonna hang them ?
F: Mm - hmm .
F: I don't know what the space situation is in the machine room .
A: Right .
F: So .
B: Right .
B: So this is a question that 's pretty hard to solve without talking to Dave ,
D: Th - The F: I think part of the reason why Dave can't get the the new machines up is because he doesn't have room in the machine room right now .
B: cuz it D: One D: Mmm .
A: Yep .
D: One One On - One thing to in to um t to do when you need to conserve space is
F: So he has to re - arrange a bunch of stuff .
D: I bet there are still some old , uh , like , nine gig disks , uh , around
D: and you can probably consolidate them onto larger disks
D: and and you know recover the space .
A: Yep .
B: Yeah .
B: No .
B: I think Dave Dave knows all these things , of course .
D: Right .
B: An - and so , he always has a a lot of plans of things that he 's gonna do to make things better in many ways an and runs out of time .
D: Mm - hmm .
A: But I I know that generally their first priority has been for backed up disk .
A: And so I think what he 's been concentrating on is uh the back the back up system , rather than on new disk .
D: Mmm .
D: Mmm .
A: So .
B: Well .
B: So .
A: Which B: But this this is a very specific question for me .
B: Basically , we can easily get one to four disks ,
B: I mean you just go out and get four and we 've got the money for it ,
B: it 's no big deal .
B: Uh , but the question is where they go ,
B: and I don't think we can solve that here ,
D: Maybe we can put some disks in the in that back room there .
B: you just have to ask him .
A: Yeah really .
B: Attach to A: Popcorn .
D: To the machine that collects the data .
B: Yeah ?
D: So then you could , at least temporarily , store stuff there .
D: The only F: Hmm .
A: Yeah , it 's just It 's not on the net , so it 's a little awkward
D: What do you mean it 's not on the net ?
A: It 's not C: It 's not bad .
A: It 's behind lots of fire walls that don't allow any services through except S S
D: Oh because it 's because it 's an ACIRI machine ?
A: Yep .
D: Oh , oh oh .
B: Yeah .
A: And also on the list is to get it into the normal ICSI net ,
A: but Who knows when that will happen ?
F: That might be a good short term solution , though .
D: But that can't be that hard .
D: I mean A: No , the the problem with that apparently is that they don't currently have a wire running to that back room that goes anywhere near one of the ICSI routers .
D: Oh ,
A: So , they actually have to run a wire somewhere .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah , e again , you know , any one of these things is certainly not a big deal .
B: If there was a person dedicated to doing it they would happen pretty easily but it 's it 's jus every ever everybody everybody has a has A: But Dave has to do all of them .
B: Well all of us have long lists of different things we 're doing .
B: But at any rate I think that there 's a there 's a longer term thing and there 's immediate need
B: and I think we need a a conversation with B: Uh , maybe maybe after after tea or something you and I can go down and and talk to him about it
B: Just say " wha you know , what should we do right now ? "
F: How long is David gonna be gone ?
B: Uh , eleven days or something ?
A: Oh my !
B: Yeah
B: basically tomorrow and all of the week after .
A: And that 's all I have .
B: Um B: Let 's see .
B: The only oth thing other thing I was gonna add was that um uh , I talked briefly to Mari
B: and uh we had both been busy with other things so we haven't really connected that much since the last meeting we had here
B: but we agreed that we would have a telephone meeting the Friday after next .
B: And I I I wanted to make it , um after the next one of these meetings ,
B: so something that we wanna do next meeting is is uh to put together um , a kind of reasonable list for ourselves of what is it , um , that we 've done .
B: I mean just sort of bulletize I mean o e do do I can I can dream up text but this is basically gonna lead to the annual report .
B: So Um If w
D: Mm - hmm .
A: This is the fifteenth ?
B: Um , that would
A: So just a week from tomorrow ?
B: Yeah .
A: OK .
B: Yeah .
B: So , uh , we can B: This D: Is this gotta be in the morning ?
B: So that 's an B: Um D: Or D: Because you know I Fridays I have to leave uh like around uh two .
D: So if it could be before that would be be
B: No , no but I I I don't need other folks for the meeting .
B: I can do it .
D: Oh , OK , alright .
B: A A All I 'm saying is that on D: Oh I 'm sorry , I misunderstood .
D: I thought you are B: Yeah
B: so what I meant was on the me this meeting if I wa something I I I 'm making a major thing in the agenda is I wanna help in getting together a list of what it is that we 've done so I can tell her .
D: OK .
D: Alright .
D: Mm - hmm .
D: OK .
B: I think I have a pretty good idea
B: but but um B: Uh , and then the next day uh , late in the day I 'll be having that that discussion with her .
D: Mmm .
B: Um . So .
D: Um Uh One thing I mean we   in past meetings we had um also a you know various variously talked about the um work that w uh was happening sort of on the on the recognition side
D: um but isn't necessarily related to meetings uh specifically .
B: Mm - hmm .
D: So . Um . And I wondered whether we should maybe have um a separate meeting
D: and between you know , whoever 's interested in that
D: because I feel that uh there 's plenty of stuff to talk about
D: but it would be sort of um maybe the wrong place to do it in this meeting if uh B: Think so ?
D: Well , it 's that It 's just gonna be ver very boring for people who are not you know , sort of really interested in the details of the recognition system .
A: I 'm interested .
C: Me too .
B: Well , OK , so how many how many people here would not be interested in uh in a meeting about recognition ?
F: Jane may not be .
A: Jane , I think .
D: Well I know Well , Jane an
C: Yep .
D: Well you mean in a separate meeting or ha ha talking about it in this A: No .
A: If we talked about it in this meeting .
F: He 's wondering how much overlap there will be .
D: OK .
B: Yeah , so you 're su
B: So .
D: So ,
D: uh , uh ,
D: Liz and Jane probably .
B: OK , so we 're gonna have a guy 's meeting .
D: Uh . Uh , if you wanna put it that way .
F: Good thing Liz isn't here .
B: Real E: Watch a ball game ?
B: Yeah , real real real men " Real men do decoding " or something like that .
F: Don't listen to this , Liz .
D: Right .
B: Uh .
D: I mean it it 's sort of I mean when when the talk is about data collection stuff , sometimes I 've you know , I I 'm bored .
B: Yeah .
A: The Nod off ?
D: So it 's I c I can sympathize with them not wanting to i to to be uh you know If I cou you know this could B: It 's cuz y you have a B: So you need a better developed feminine side .
D: I 'm
D: not sure I wanna B: There 's probably gonna be a lot of " bleeps " in this meeting .
A: Yeah , I would as <comment> I would guess .
B: Uh . Um .
D: Yeah
D: and B: I think it must be uh nearing the end of the week .
B: Um . Yeah .
B: I You know , I I 've heard some comments about like this .
B: That m could be .
D: Mm - hmm .
B: I mean the B: Um . U
D: And we don't have to do it every week .
F: Could we D: We could do it every other week or so .
F: Right , I was D: You know , whatev or whenever we feel like we F: Why don't we alternate this meeting every other week ?
A: Or just alternate the focus .
F: Tha - That 's what I mean .
A: Yeah , so on even weeks have basic on data .
B: Yeah .
D: We could do that , yeah .
F: Yeah .
D: I I Personally I 'd I 'm not in favor of more meetings .
D: Um . Because , uh .
B: Right .
D: You know .
A: I am .
A: Oh sor
F: But I do I don't I mean a lot of times lately it seems like we don't really have enough for a full meeting on Meeting Recorder .
D: Right .
F: So if we did that A: Well , except that we keep going for our full time .
C: Yep .
F: Well , cuz we get into these other topics .
E: Yeah .
D: We feel We feel obligated to collect more data .
A: Yeah .
F: Yeah .
A: Ugh .
F: So if we could alternate the focus of the meeting A: I don't .
A: Let 's read digits and go .
B: Why don't we just start with that .
D: ummh . <comment> ummh . <comment> OK .
B: And then if we find , you know we 're just not getting enough done , there 's all these topics not coming up , then we can expand into another meeting .
D: Mm - hmm .
B: But I I think that 's a great idea .
B: Uh . So uh . Um . Let 's chat about it with Liz and Jane when we get a chance , see what they think and D: Mm - hmm .
F: Yeah that would be good .
F: I mean Andreas and I have various talks in the halls
F: and there 's lots of things , you know , details and stuff that would I think people 'd be interested in
D: Mm - hmm .
F: and I 'd you know , where do we go from here kind of things and F: So , it would be good .
B: Yeah , and you 're you 're attending the uh the front - end meeting as well as the others so you have you have probably one of the best B: you and I , I guess are the main ones who sort of see the bridge between the two .
A: Bridge .
D: Mm - hmm .
B: We are doing recognition in both of them .
B: So .
F: Mm - hmm .
D: Right .
B: Uh .
D: So um .
A: OK ?
D: So so we could talk a little bit about that now if if there 's some time .
A: No , no that would be for next week .