A: So
A: let's start our second me meeting on conceptual design .
B: D: Mm-hmm .
A: So ,
A: as the previous meeting I will be the secretary
B: Mm-hmm .
A: and we will have three presentations
A: and we'll have to decide on the remote control concept
A: and finally we'll close the decision .
A: So
A: I will first uh D: No
D: y you do the minutes first ,
D: or ?
A: What ?
D: No ?
A: I I think I will let uh our User Interface Designer speak first , Mister David Jordan .
D: Okay .
C: Yep .
A: So ,
A: we'll C: Yeah .
A: S
A: technical accessoire ?
C: No no no .
A: Interface ?
C: Yeah .
A: This .
C: Mm .
C: So uh
C: first I will present the concept of user interface .
C: Um there's three concepts in the user interface .
C: So first one it's a Google controller .
C: The second is a fancy controller .
C: The last one is uh intelligent controller .
C: So there are three concepts in our controller .
C: Um n next I will explain one by one ,
C: the first is Google controller .
C: Um , so
C: I want the controller to be easy to use , but with sophisticated functions .
C: So it's a combination of easy to use and um sophisticated functions .
C: Uh this is a first concept of our controller .
C: The second concept is a fancy controller ,
C: um so
C: we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive ,
C: um they can easy recognise our controller among a lot of products ,
C: so so
C: the u the user f the the u user interface should be very very cute , very very g um
D: Mm .
B: Mm .
B: A nice one .
C: attractive .
C: Such like this , there are several uh examples in the slides .
A: I'm not sure the one in the middle is very attractive .
D: B: C: Yeah ,
C: it's very ,
C: you know
C: if you're A: It's very big ,
A: yeah .
D: C: Yeah .
C: It's hard f i
C: it's easy for you to remember it . Or to recognise it ,
D: A:  Okay .
C: yeah .
A: Yeah , why not . C: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
A: We'll have big discussion I suppose after that ,
B: Yeah . Yeah .
C: Yeah .
A: so .
D: Mm .
C: So
C: the last uh concept is intelligent .
C: We want uh we want our controller to be smart ,
B: Mm-hmm .
D: Mm .
C: so maybe we should uh use um uh
C: technology , such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology ,
C: so we need to have coop some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and um gesture recognition . Um
C: With this advanced features we I think we can attract a lot of user .
A: Okay .
C: Okay .
A: Something else ?
C: No .
C: There C: this is the three concepts of our controller .
B: Yeah .
A: I just have one question ,
C: Yeah .
A: because for the intelligent controller , you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition ,
C: Yeah .
A: but as the um expert told us , most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t to zap between channels .
C: Yeah , so A: Do you think they will be able to use gestures ?
A: Because , if they do all the time the same gesture , as you said previously in the last meeting , maybe they will get injuries because of that ?
C: Y
D: B: Yeah . Maybe .
A: or if you say channel three channel three two three four six five , I think they will be bored after a while .
A: You don't think so ?
C: Uh I think some time it's very uh convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button .
A: Yeah , sure .
C: For example , if you cannot find your uh controller , you can just uh just just uh speak something such as , yeah , one two .
A: I
B: Oh yeah , that's a good that's a good point , so .
A: That's true . B: One and A: Yeah ,
A: but suppose you got a cold . You have a mute remote controller .
C: Yeah .
B: D: Mm .
C: So you can use your gesture .
C: That's no problem . B: D: Yeah
D: but how how is how risky is it to trust like speech recognition or gesture recognition ?
A: Broken arm ?
C: For limited vocabulary speech recognition is very reliable and for s limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also very D: Okay . Okay .
A: Yeah ,
A: but suppose you have a family watching T_V_ , and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time , do you think it will work ? Everybody wanting to change channel in the same time ?
C: Yeah .
B: Yep . D: But this this but this would never happen anyway .
C: Yeah ,
C: they cannot speak at the same time .
A: Why ?
D: Yeah A: If you have one brother and one sister
A: and they want to watch their favourite uh T_V_ programme ,
D: Yeah ,
D: but the A: so they say oh channel four channel three channel four channel three all the time ,
B: Yeah but Yeah
C: Yeah ,
C: it's very interesting . D: Yeah
D: but this A: so .
B: but the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control
D: Yeah .
B: because the C: Yeah .
D: I don't think it A: Yeah ,
A: but you have the remote control ,
A: so maybe you can keep it f with you .
B: That's right .
A: You're not you're not obliged to share it .
D: Oh , okay , okay ,
D: you mean it could be a problem for this kind of stuff .
A: Yeah ,
A: we can C: Yeah ,
C: that's that's the advantage of intelligent controller .
A: yeah .
C: Even you h you have the controller , I can I can say channel three ,
D: No .
B: It's it's  C: so it's c come to channel three ,
D: No , but this is disadvant disadvantage .
C: I don't have to  A: Yeah , I think it's a disadvantage .
C: It's advantage .
D: Yeah .
B: And mayb maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to
A: Yeah ,
A: but one other question .
B: manual controllers , eh .
A: How how much will it cost ?
B: No ,
B: more expensive maybe .
C: How much ?
A: Yeah .
A: Because I suppose we need to do research to have something working .
C: No no
C: we we d we we just are use um D: Uh if you if if you use the basic A: Some some efficient .
C: No no
C: we just um have some cooperation with some research institute ,
C: we don't have to do some basic research on this field .
A: So
A: you think it won't cost an Not a lot for us ?
A: Or ?
C: Yeah ,
C: I think it's uh C: because uh this technology is uh um for limited wor or limited wor uh lexical recognition ,
C: it's very A: Yeah ,
A: but uh uh C: it's uh C: yeah .
D: But it's it's changing how the remote control is gonna be built .
C: It's D: Because then you need uh D: I mean this doesn't have uh the power to do recognition , for example .
B: Well
B: y y you have also the language problem ,
C: No
C: it's uh C: Even for the f um because the the vocabulary the B: you know
B: when you A: Mm-mm .
B: 'Cause it it have to be universal ,
B: so .
A: Yeah . I agree with uh C: The vocabulary is very small ,
C: so that's not a problem .
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah ,
A: but there is one problem that uh Baba talked about is the international
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: B: A: remote control .
A: We need something that is international .
A: Suppose we're we want to sell it in France .
C: Yeah .
A: The recognition system will be able to understand French .
A: If you want to go to England , it will be able to understand English ,
C: Yeah .
A: so .
C: Yeah ,
C: the key , the key um the key of our the key feature of our controller is that it's it has some some um adaptation
D: Yeah ,
D: this could be downloaded by the web maybe ,
D: or B: Yeah
C: mechanism .
B: but you know . The product The pro
C: It's It's it means when you when you sell this controller in China it's can recognise Chinese .
C: It's r if you sell this controller in France it can recognise French .
B: It's a very smart , it's a very smart controller maybe D: Yeah .
A: Mm , okay .
C: Yeah ,
C: it's A: And with no increase in the pri production price of the remote control ?
B: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah .
C: Because of this product uh this technology has already been developed .
B: But A: Yeah ,
C: So A: but how will you B: Yeah
B: but the problem is how to s
B: you know
B: if this is a push button controller , you can send this con this remote control everywhere in the world , the same one .
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
D: Mm .
B: If you have the language , you have to develop for each country .
C: Oh n Yeah , yeah
C: tha that's why we have to do language adaptation .
B: Yeah ,
B: but for each country you have to do one ,
C: Yeah .
B: because uh the for example for Se C: Even for each f for even for different family we have to do d yeah we would we have to do adaptation to B: Oh really ?
B: That's  A: Oh .
D: Yeah ,
D: but then w
A: Seems to be quite complex .
D: Yeah ,
D: we have to take care of the twelve Euros
B: Comple
C: No , it's not so complex .
D: problem .
A: And what about voice recognition , do we have microphones ?
A: And where will be they ?
A: Do you think if we're far from television it will work ?
C: No no no
C: it's not C: I think that's n that's not a problem
C: because you you don't have to wear a microphone .
C: It it just the microphone is embedded in the controller .
A: Yeah ,
A: but where is the controller ?
D: Okay .
C: Where is the controller ?
A: Yeah .
C: It's in your family , in your home . B: D: No ,
D: but then it's it's like this uh A: Yeah ,
A: but we're A: here it's uh an object .
A: But here you say you want to use i uh s technology .
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah
C: you can you can embed it uh microphone here .
B: A microphone maybe .
A: Yeah ,
A: but wha what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li like this , if you have an object .
A: If you want to use voice or gesture you need to be free , without any object .
B: To talk to the to the T_V_ maybe .
A: You just want to interact with television .
C: Yeah yeah
C: just you just put the controller here ,
C: then you
B: I if you say one , he switch to channel ,
C: you use your command
A: Yeah ,
B: yeah .
C: and you do s your gesture .
A: but you can lose it .
C: No no
C: it's n y  if you lose it A: B: So well
B: for example if it is somewhere in the room if i maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s channel one and the t the remote control gives the order to the T_V_ to switch to channel one .
D: C: Yeah .
A: Okay
A: you so you can build a kind of black box
B: Devic
A: and put it on T_V_ and just to recognize gestures and voice .
D: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: Yeah
B: but so you need a camera and you know a microphone inside your remote control .
C: Yeah .
A: Ah .
D: But you would still have the buttons .
D: Or is it D: do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition ?
D: Or you you still have the possibility to use buttons ?
C: think it we should give the uh flexibility to the user
D: Okay ,
C: and we think D: so you C: yeah .
D: yeah .
A: Yeah ,
C: You can see they can switch form one modality to another .
A: Mm .
D: Yeah ,
D: I dunno .
D: It's a bit risky risky .
B: Yeah .
A: I think so .
C: No ,
C: that's quite inter quite attractive .
A: And maybe it will be quite B: But I think that , you know , switching from one country to to another will be a problem ,
B: so although y y
C: Well ,
C: if you do language adaptation , there should be no problem . D: Yeah ,
B: Yeah
B: but i i A: Okay . D: I dunno .
C: We should have confidence in technology . B: Yeah , we should . Uh .
A: Hmm . So ,
A: what do you think ?
A: We'll try the controllers you'd prefer .
B: Mm .
D: What ?
A: Which kind of controller would you prefer to use , you as a remote control user ?
D: If if D: I mean , uh
D: I'm sure if the user pays the same price , he's happy to have recognition .
C: More features ,
C: yeah .
D: But if if if it like doubles uh
B: Yeah , but B: I think he need a control that is very reliable ,
D: no one would would be interested .
B: so .
A: So
A: I think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller
A: and to stay with the Google controller or a fancy controller .
A: Maybe try to mix the Google controller and the fancy controller ?
A: Hmm ?
C: B: Yeah . Yeah .
A: Just want to have something controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller , easy to use , sophisticated and fancy .
C: Yeah
A: You think it's possible ?
C: but if if you stick to um C: stick to the first two parts . So what's the difference between our controller with other products in the market ?
C: There's no k features of our controller ,
C: so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features ?
D: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
D: No ,
D: I mean C: Would y would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some some function inside it that B: It's not really the we
D: Y
B: we can add for example some function like for browsing in internet , so or something like that .
B: But uh I think a user need C: Yeah ,
C: you y that's a fun that's not the function of the controller ,
C: that's a function of T_V_ .
C: You can replace your T_V_ with a new T_V_ with internet browsing function ,
D: No ,
D: but you need you need new remote controller then . Because if you wanna browse internet or , I don't know , if you wanna type something ,
C: but B: Don't have a the the D: or C: Okay .
B: Yeah
B: if we can send email from it .
C: But it's not the only the problem only the issue of controller , it's it's also the issue of the T_V_ .
D: No . No .
B: Because the p the problem I can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh what can happen in a family i i for example if D: Cause for example yeah .
C: Yeah ,
C: but we do we do we we
C: we cannot rely one hundred percent on these features to u to use the controller ,
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah ,
A: but uh we want so
C: but with the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it , your mobile ,
C: but you when you choose a new mobile , you choose the one with voice recognition .
D: Yeah ,
D: you wou you would D: True .
C: That's C: the feature is not one hundred percent reliable ,
C: but it's a feature to distinguish our product from our from other products .
A: Yeah ,
A: but w we we want something th that works all the time , every day , every hour , for everyone .
B: Yeah C: Yeah .
B: C: Yeah , uh B: And for all the person of the family maybe ,
C: Yeah ,
C: if if if if you're if you ar if you already have a product it works one hundred percent reliable , would you replace it with another one ?
A: You don't need to tune it .
B: so ,
B: yeah .
A: Yeah , why not ?
D: I mean , for example the goo y
A: If it's B: Because you have new D: you say we would we would to have a Google-like controller .
C: Yeah . Yeah .
D: I don't see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like Google .
D: Google is is simple ,
D: works fine ,
C: Yeah .
D: so I I guess if can have a remote control that is really basic , simple and works fine , it's already a lot .
C: Yeah .
C: Oh yes ,
C: but there's no big difference between the traditional controller .
D: Uh thi this D: I mean ,
D: the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition
D: or C: The then nn
D: if he has something that works fine and is really fancy , looks nice and it's easy easy to use , easy to use .
C: no .
C: Tha
A: Not too expensive too .
C: But the there's there's n there's n not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one if there's no key feature in the new controller .
D: See  D: That's the problem ,
C: That's the same C: yeah .
D: yeah .
D: I mean , I I know it's more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever .
C: Yeah .
B: Ye D: But you have to think , the user is the one who gonna buy the product
D: and so .
C: Yeah .
A: Okay . So
D: I mean , that's the point .
A: let's go to the Industrial Designer .
C: C: Okay .
B: Okay .
A: Maybe we'll be able to take a decision after that ,
B: Okay .
C: Yeah .
A: so .
A: Two ?
B: Yeah , participant two um A: Working ?
C: B: Yeah , working design ,
B: so .
D: B: So
B: I think A: I can B: Can you go to the next one ?
B: I uh B: it's not this one .
B: It's uh oth the oth so I A: Okay .
D:  B: It's the working design .
B: Sorry .
B: Component design .
A: It's okay B: So this yeah so this is the described use B: What ?
A: B: Are you inst
A: Uh I think there's something wrong with your C: It did didn't r receive it . Didn't receive it .
A: Maybe you you record it somewhere else .
B: I don't think so .
C: Participant one . Participant one .
A: Interface concept .
A: No .
D: Hmm .
A: Mm mm .
B: Oh .
B: Maybe I record recorded directly on the Computer .
D: Yeah .
A: Uh . D: Dunno .
A: Nope . B: Okay , okay . Yes .
A: It seems that we have a problem with the D: I dunno if you remember what you had to say
D: or B: I can say it to you without .
A: Yeah ,
A: so C: Yeah ,
C: maybe we can first come to
A: No ,
A: I think it will be more interesting to start with uh C: uh to Frahan . With Frahan ,