E: Detail ,
D: Right , right .
E: yeah .
E: Overall .
A: I did go through one of these meetings .
A: I had , uh , one of the transcribers go through and tighten up the bins on one of the , uh , NSA meetings ,
A: and then I went through afterwards and double - checked it
A: so that one is really very very accurate .
D: Oh .
A: I men I mentioned the link .
D: Oh ,
A: I sent You know that one ?
D: so G: The which one ?
G: I 'm sorry .
A: Um , I 'm trying to remember E: Those are all A: I don't remember the number off hand .
A: It 's one of the NSA 's .
A: I sent email before the conference , before last week .
G: Oh , OK .
D: That might might have been the one one of the ones that we did .
A: Bef - What I mean is Wednesday , Thursday .
G: Mm - hmm .
A: I 'm sure that that one 's accurate ,
A: I 've been through it myself .
G: OK .
D: So that might actually be useful but they 're all non - native speakers .
F: So we could compare before and after
F: and see E: Yeah .
E: Yeah , that 's what I was gonna say .
G: Yeah , that 's the problem with the NSA speakers .
F: oh , Darn !
E: The problem with those , they 're all German .
D: And e and e and extremely hard to follow , like word - wise ,
E: So .
G: Yeah .
D: I bet the transcri I mean , I have no idea what they 're talking about ,
D: so ,
A: I corrected it for a number of the words .
D: um ,
A: I 'm sure that , um , they 're they 're accurate now .
F: Uh , actually I have to  to go .
D: I mean , this is tough for a language model probably G: Right .
D: but but that might be useful just for speech .
C: Well .
E: OK , Andreas is leaving leaving the building .
E: Mm - hmm .
C: Yeah .
E: See ya .
C: See ya .
E: Um , oh , before you l go C: I don't think we 'll go much longer .
E: I guess it 's alright for you to talk a little without the mike E: I noticed you adjusting the mike a lot ,
E: did it not fit you well ?
E: Oh .
A: Well I won I noticed when you turned your head , it would it would tilt .
E: Maybe it wasn't just tightened enough , or D: Maybe the yeah , the s thing that you have tightened @ @ ,
B: Actually if if you have a larger head , that mike 's gotta go farther away which means the the balance is gonna make it wanna tip down .
D: oh .
E: OK .
E: Anyway .
C: Yeah .
C: OK ,
E: Cuz , I 'm just thinking , you know , we were we 're we 've been talking about changing the mikes , uh , for a while ,
C: see ya .
A: Yeah .
E: and if these aren't E: acoustically they seem really good ,
E: but if they 're not comfortable , we have the same problems we have with these stupid things .
A: I think it 's com
A: This is the first time I 've worn this ,
A: I find it very comfortable .
E: I find it very comfortable too , but , uh , it looked like Andreas was having problems ,
E: and I think Morgan was saying it C: Well , but I had it on I had it on this morning and it was fine .
B: Can I see that ?
E: Oh ,
E: oh you did wear it this morning ?
C: Yeah .
E: OK , it 's off , so you can put it on .
B: I yeah , I don't want it on ,
B: I just I just want to , um , say what I think is a problem with this .
B: If you are wearing this over your ears and you 've got it all the way out here ,
B: then the balance is gonna want to pull it this way .
D: Yeah .
E: Right .
B: Where as if somebody with a smaller head has it back here ,
E: It 's more balanced .
B: right ?
D: So we have to
A: Oh !
B: Yeah .
B: Then it then it falls back this way so it 's E: Well wh what it 's supposed to do is the backstrap is supposed to be under your crown ,
E: and so that should be should be E: if it 's right against your head there , which is what it 's supposed to be , that balances it
A: Ah .
E: so it doesn't slide up .
B: So this is supposed to be under that little protuberance .
E: Yep , right right below E: if you feel the back of your head , you feel a little lump ,
E: um , and so it 's supposed to be right under that .
B: Yeah .
B: So it 's really supposed to go more like this than like this .
E: Yes , exactly .
B: But then isn't that going to E: That that that tilts ,
B: Well , I guess you can control that .
E: right ?
E: In lots and lots of different ways .
D: So I 'm not saying anything about bias towards small headsize ,
E: About heads ?
D: but does seem , uh B: It would be an advantage .
A: Well , wonder if it 's if if he was wearing it over his hair instead of under his hair .
C: Well , we should We shou we should work on compressing the heads , and E: I think probably it was E: Yeah .
E: It probably just wasn't tight enough to the back of his head .
E: I mean , so the directions do talk about bending it to your size , which is not really what we want .
B: The other thing that would do it would be to hang a five pound weight off the back .
C: Yeah
D: Right .
C: that 's good !
A: What did you say ?
E: wh
D: A little ,
C: Hang a five pound weight off the off the back .
E: We did that D: um ,
B: Hang a five pound weight off the back .
E: We at Boeing I used I was doing augmented reality so they had head - mounts on ,
C: Weight .
E: and we we had a little jury - rigged one with a welder 's helmet ,
B: Counter - balance .
E: and we had just a bag with a bunch of marbles in it as a counter - balance .
C: Or maybe this could be helpful just for evening the conversation between people .
C: If people those who talk a lot have to wear heavier weights or something ,
E: Yeah !
C: and C: and um ,
E: Anyway .
C: um , so , uh , what was I gonna say ?
C: Oh , yeah , I was gonna say , uh , I had these , uh , conversations with NIST folks also while I was there
E: Yep .
C: and and , uh , um , so they they have their their plan for a room , uh , with , um , mikes in the middle of the table , and , uh , close - mounted mikes ,
C: and they 're talking about close - mounted and lapels , just cuz
D: And arrays ,
E: And arrays ,
C: sort of and the array .
C: Yeah , so they were E: yep .
D: which is the i interesting E: And cameras .
D: and video , right .
C: And yeah , like multiple multiple video cameras coverin covering every everybody every place in the room ,
C: uh , the yeah the the mikes in the middle , the head - mounted mikes , the lapel mikes , the array , uh , with C: well , there 's some discussion of fifty - nine ,
E: Fifty - nine elements .
C: they might go down to fifty - seven
C: Because , uh , there is , uh , some pressure from a couple people at the meeting for them to use a KEMAR head .
D: Mm - hmm .
C: I forget what KEMAR , uh , stands for ,
C: but what it is is it 's dummy head that is very specially designed ,
E: Oh , that 's right .
E: Yep .
D: Right .
C: and and and , so what they 're actually doing is they 're really there 's really two recording systems .
D: That 's a great idea .
C: So they may not be precisely synchronous , but the but there 's two two recording systems ,
C: one with , I think , twenty - four channels , and one with sixty - four channels .
C: And the sixty - four channel one is for the array ,
C: but they 've got some empty channels there ,
C: and anyway they like they 're saying they may give up a couple or something if for for the KEMAR head if they go go with that .
E: Right .
E: Yeah , it is a good idea .
E: Yeah , h uh , J Jonathan Fiscus did say that , uh , they have lots of software for doing calibration for skew and offset between channels
C: So .
D: Mm - hmm
E: and that they 've found that 's just not a big deal .
C: Yeah .
E: So .
C: Yeah , I 'm not too worried about that .
C: I was thinking D: But they 're still planning to do like fake E: Scenario - based .
D: they have to do something like that ,
E: Y right .
E: Their their legal issues won't allow them to do otherwise .
D: right .
C: Yeah .
E: But it sounded like they were pretty well thought out
D: Yeah , th that 's true .
E: and they 're they 're gonna be real meetings ,
E: it 's just that they 're with str with people who would not be meeting otherwise .
A: Mm - hmm .
D: Mm - hmm .
B: Did did they give a talk on this or was this informal ?
E: So .
E: No .
D: No .
E: It 's just informal .
C: No , we just had some discussions , various discussions with them .
A: Mm - hmm .
A: Mm - hmm .
A: Yeah .
E: Yeah , I also sat and chatted with several of the NIST folks .
E: They seemed like a good group .
B: What was the , um the paper by , um , Lori Lamel that you mentioned ?
C: Um , yeah , we sh we should just have you have you read it , but , I mea ba i i uh , we 've all got these little proceedings ,
A: Mmm , yeah .
C: but , um , basically , it was about , um , uh , going to a new task where you have insufficient data and using using data from something else , and adapting , and how well that works .