B: But B: Yeah , but the infrared , it's uh , well , a little bit old-fashioned , if you would call it like that .
C: Mm-hmm .
C: But it's cost-effective .
B: But all the T_V_s are uh equipped with infrared , so
C: Yes .
C: Mm-hmm . Well , not all , not all .
B: y you you can C: So that's the point .
B: Most of them .
C: So B: Or you shou sh use a D: B: you should equip infrared and Bluetooth together in one remote .
C: Maybe ,
C: but that's uh something we should discuss
B: Yeah .
C: and uh about every everybody should think about it .
C: So that's just my role ,
C: I'll just uh give you uh everybody some technical input ,
C: and I think now the time is to have a little discussion about what uh the product should be and how it should look ,
A: Yeah .
C: but take these things into account when you start the discussion .
A: Okay ,
A: so the the main por uh the main points you are uh telling us are focus on the inter uh operability ,
C: Yes ,
C: so one thing uh one remote control should uh control one or more uh pieces of equipment ,
A: and A: Okay ,
A: and and uh C: and the way of communicating with these equipments .
A: Okay . Okay , good .
C: Okay .
A: Um A: that was your presentation ?
C: That's it .
A: Okay , okay .
A: Um okay . Great . Um
A: I'll go back to my own presentation .
A: Um A: Mm . Okay .
A: Um I I do think it's time now to to discuss uh mm some things .
C: A: Um Sebastian told us a few things about the technical implemen uh implications .
A: Um there are other things like um how to make it trendy ,
A: which is I think uh um most uh Ru uh Ruud's uh role .
A: Um the way how it should be controlled by the user ,
A: which is uh Roo uh r uh during this part .
B: Mm-hmm .
A: Um so let's start with you .
A: H how do you think the remote should um function for the user ?
B: Well , I had a few uh things in mind .
B: Um well , the interoperability , just like uh Sebastian said ,
B: um the remote should work on different T_V_s or even different
B: uh um B: Yeah uh , what is it ,
B: devices ?
A: Yep .
B: Um so i i
B: I think it's a universal remote control for customers to buy just new in uh a store .
C: Yes , I think it should be something like that .
B: It's not for uh for uh for uh Philips or whatever to buy our remote for their own product ,
B: right ?
A: Okay , so we're we're going business to consumer ,
A: not we're we're it's not a B: Yeah , I do I don't know that .
B: It's no I have uh C: We're not developing this product for a specific vendor , are we ?
B: don't have the information for it .
A: No . No .
C: No ,
C: we're just developing this product , and we want to sell it to a very broad uh public ,
B: No , okay .
C: so it should fit to every device .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
A: Uh Ruud , y do you agree ?
D: Yeah , I think I think they're right , yeah .
A: Okay . Okay .
B: Um B: Well , the techni fu technical function uh  what you said is just by pressing the button you should change the state of the T_V_ .
B: That's just the basic f technical function .
A: Yeah .
B: So that was my really my part for uh this session .
B: Um A: So is that ease of use or uh is that more like um C: Yeah . C: B: Well , that's just the fu the technical function is pure what should the remote control do ,
B: wh what is his task uh as an uh as an uh device .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: It just should change the T_V_'s state .
A: Okay .
B: So that's it .
B: Um but furthermore C: And you you see uh the buttons as a as a means of doing this ?
B: Yeah . Yeah , with buttons .
C: Or are there any o other controls ?
C: Are there only any other cont
B: Yeah , or maybe you want a touch-screen or C: Well , B: But C: I I've seen these remote controls with uh this little stick uh which you can move forward , sidewords .
B: Yeah .
A: Uh-huh .
C: You know these things .
C: And um it's very easy for a user to to switch B: They're very vu vulnerable .
C: w yes ,
B: Yeah .
C: to to switch b uh between uh channels
C: or uh change uh between tracks on a on a C_D_ ,
C: on on a chapters , you know , on a D_V_D_ player .
C: So maybe that's an idea ,
C: I don't know .
B: Yeah .
B: And for other user interface I had um , well , it's more industrial thing .
B: Uh point at a T_V_ , I think it's it's quite disturbing when you always have to point directly to the T_V_ ,
C: Mm-hmm .
B: so you must point everywhere ,
B: so maybe infrared is C: Okay .
A: Maybe not even pointed .
B: Yeah , just don't even point it ,
A: Yeah .
B: so in that case infrared should uh maybe uh be restriction to that .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: Okay
C: Uh is that uh A: Uh C: are there restriction for the range , the operating range too ?
C: So when you're not able to point at the device um the range is very limited .
B: Yeah , if you g if you go to radio or or yeah .
B: For T_V_ , you're always in in the neighbourhood of a T_V_ ,
B: so I don't think think the range should be a problem to that ,
C: Mm-hmm .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: but if you want to uh get it working with a radio , and you're in outside your garden with just one uh speaker , then maybe the range should be uh C: Mm-hmm .
C: Okay .
A: Okay , gentlemen , um uh just a reminder , we d we have five minutes left for this meeting
B: But C: Okay .
B: Yeah .
A: um B: Two more things .
A: okay .
B: Um
B: You should able to feel the buttons without uh it mis um  B: you have to know what you do without looking at the buttons ,
B: so it should be as user interface um for feeling should be uh good to understand .
B: You must feel the buttons for volume or whatever , I think .
A: Okay , s yeah .
A: Yeah .
B: And of course you don't always know where all buttons are ,
B: so it should be visible al um in dark too .
B: So when it's dark A: Okay .
B: Those are two really uh user interface A: A: Uh I'll write down glow in the dark .
C: B: Yeah .  That's perfect . A: Is tha C: Okay .
A: Okay .
A: Okay , um uh I just want to hear uh Ruud's um input for this meeting .
C: Do do you A: Um do you have anything already w um ab idea about how the market uh will respond to the such a product ?
A: Or what we should take um in account when developing such a product ?
D: Uh I think most most things have already been said ,
D: like uh control multiple devices .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: And uh , yeah , infrared might be an issue .
A: Because ?
D: Uh well , he said about n abo
D: what he said about pointing .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: But uh lots of devices already use infrared .
D: So D: we'll probably have to implement that .
A: Okay .
A: Okay .
A: Okay , Sebastian , did you have any other ideas ?
C: Um well yes , I had , uh about three minutes ago ,
C: but I've seem to forget them  forgot them .
A: B: C: Um C: oh yes , I remember .
C: Um you said something about visibility in the dark .
C: Um
B: Yeah .
C: uh would it be nice for a user to have display on this uh remote control , on which you can see functions ?
C: Which makes it easier to operate it .
B: Yeah . Well , maybe I um B: but it it can be quite simple ,
C: I I don't know .
B: you can just have white buttons with a black mark on it .
C: Mm-hmm .
C: Okay .
B: The uh the the digits in black .
C: Mm-hmm .
B: Uh then it's already visible in dark .
C: Okay .
B: So it it don't have to be a lightning or or a fancy
A: B: well , it can be for design , of course .
C: Okay .
A: Okay .
A: Yeah , yeah , okay ,
A: because because we wa we want to develop a trendy product .
C: Yes , but there's a cost limitation too .
A: So C: Well , that's more A: Yeah ,
D: Yeah .
A: twelve Euro fifty , yeah .
C: So that's a big problem , I think .
C: I think the the financial part of this project uh implicates that it's not going to be a high high-end product .
C: The cost price is very low .
A: Okay .
C: Um B: Just remind something .
B: The digits of uh the the painting on the buttons should not fade .
A: Okay , okay .
C: Okay . Very good point . Yeah .
B: You have a m uh B: Always have s the soft buttons , always uh clear the the the paint on it .
B: The marks .
C: Okay .
A: Okay , um
A: I ha I have one point f um which which comes in mind now .
A: Um uh d I think the device should either be rechargeable very easily
C: Mm-hmm . Okay .
A: um or it should not consume too much um power .
A: Because it's very annoying if you need to change the batteries every s uh uh every other week .
B: Yeah .
C: Okay .
A: So um
A: maybe we could um for example uh only light the buttons that are um uh applicable at that moment or B: But um B: Necessary , yeah .
A: yeah .
A: I dunno ,
A: it's uh  A: that's more Sebastian's uh um B: Yeah .
C: Hmm .
B: But then Bluetooth uh might be problem .
B: 'Cause I think Bluetooth uh C: It's use uh a lot of uh B: Yeah ,
A: Well does it ?
C: well B: I know it from the cell phone .
A: I'm not sure .
C: Well , cell phones have uh integrated Bluetooth also and , well , it's it seems to work uh quite okay .
A: Uh A: Yeah .
C: So uh technically it will be possible .
B: But you can't you can't use Bluetooth all the time , twenty four hours a day .
C: No , you cannot .
A: Okay . Gentlemen , I'm afraid we do not have any more time .
B: Does it B: It's over ?
C: Okay .
D: A: Um
C: Okay .
A: so we will go back to our own uh work .
A: Um next meeting starts in thirty minutes
A: and um , well , you know your o your individual actions
A: or your personal coach will probably email you about th it .
A: Um so
A: this was it .
B: Okay .
A: See you in thirty minutes .
B: Great .