A: Thoughts ?
C: Well ,
C: another thought I D: Would C: oh ,
C: sorry ,
C: go ahead .
D: Oh
D: I was just gonna say mayb maybe it sh like um D: maybe we can like cut corners somewhere else to bring in over cost .
A: I mean do w do we think that the voice technology is fundamental to the project ?
B: Uh it's fundament
B: well I mean
B: I guess it it's something we've discussed uh since the the sort of the beginning ,
B: so I th I think in in our in our minds it's it's fundamental ,
B: but I don't know that the uh the upper echelons of the company would necessarily agree with that ,
B: so I think you have to A: I mean I think we  C: Oh yeah .
B: C: A: Mm .
B: Hm .
C: Okay .
B: C: Well ,
C: I kinda think if we're gonna have the voice recognition for part of it , then maybe we should have it for the whole thing .
A: Yeah ,
A: I I I I I think that's uh B: Mm .
C: And we've been talking about it the whole time .
B: Mm , mm .
A: Yeah , yeah .
C: Anyway , I'm I'm incli kinda inclined to say that we should just go for it .
A: Mm , right , okay .
B: Mm .
D: Uh yeah ,
D: it's the second most important aspect to users that the device should be technologically innovative .
C: Yeah .
A: D: From uh my presentation show , so .
A: Yeah ,
A: it should be D: Uh technologically innovative .
A: Right , okay ,
A: so .
B: No ,
B: that sounds good . Mm .
A: Fine . Okay .
A: I
A: it will have voice recognition um uh
B: Mm . Cool .
C: Okay .
A: if if that means uh if that means we can't afford buttons but I mean b b  B: Um A: second question ,
A: do we need the five buttons for channel change , up down , volume up down and on off , just as a a backup or just so that people can uh j j just sit there pressing buttons ?
C: Yeah .
B: Yeah , I I would say we do , yeah .
C: I think so .
A: Right .
A: Okay .
A: Sorry ,
A: d did you want to say anything ?
B: Uh nope ,
A: No ?
B: that was it , that was it .
A: Okay .
A: Shall we move rapidly on to uh Kendra ?
B: Okay .
C: Okay .
A: Uh um ra rapidly move the cable over .
C: Let's see .
A: Mm . Oh good .
C: Oh . Yes .
C: Is it gonna work ?
B: Yeah ,
A: Mm yeah ,
B: it's thinking about it .
A: it'll get there .
A: Yep .
C: Okay . Okay ,
B: Yeah .
C: so I did some research on the internet
C: and um
C: what  C: you know ,
C: the interf user interface are just aspects that are seen by users ,
C: um commands and mechanisms for the operation ,
C: and there're just kind of a variety of choices .
C: Um findings ,
C: so
C: a lot of times they tend to look cluttered
C: and these were just a couple examples of um different kinds that are a little bit more unusual .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: There're some special ones available , like this one right here ,
A: Mm , yeah .
C: which is marketed towards children , um different designs ,
A: Uh-huh .
A: Alright .
C: and one of the things that n we need to watch out for is a V_ in volume
C: because people some
C: Bring a little picture of what I thought ours could look like .
B: C: So
C: just kind of minimise the clutter ,
A: Mm-hmm .
C: avoid too many buttons
C: and also um one of the things that people have used is a slide button , like you have on a mouse ,
C: that possibly we could use that on the sides for volume , for example , have the slide button on the side ,
D: Mm .
C: and then you can pre-programme the channels , the voice recognition and then the voice response sample locator .
A: Mm yeah .
A: Sorry
A: y y yeah ,
A: if I can interrupt you .
A: Well
A: d p
A: 'kay ,
A: do you wanna say anything about um slide controls ?
B: Mm .
A: I mean I think the reason everybody uses pushbuttons is that they're they're si simple , cheap and reliable .
B: Uh  Uh
B: I think they're they're about the same cost really .
B: I I mean ,
B: I think it's just sort of the the  B: there's a lot of slide buttons out there .
B: I think it's pretty much the same sort of connection . Mm yeah . A: Okay , fair enough , fine .
C: Just because I n
C: for example if I'm using a mouse I like to be able to slide it up and down
B: Mm .
C: so I thought it might be good for volume to just be able to kind of roll it and then have the up and down
A: Yeah .
A: Good , good .
C: and then the A: Yeah .
C: this is my great little drawing .
A: So three three there's three buttons on a slider .
B: A: Three buttons , channel up channel up down and C: Y yes , yes .
D: Well ,
D: if you g if you if you got a channel up down , we can have a slider in that as well .
D: Because if it if you no
C: D: if you notice on the thing it it kind of like has got kind of if you you know it s kind of like sticks ,
D: if you know what I mean ,
D: up like one unit ,
D: if you see what I mean .
C: Yeah .
B: Mm .
D: So it kinda goes up one ,
D: then y like you can keep rolling it up ,
D: but it's like like like like a cog or something .
A: Uh-huh .
D: So you kinda take it up one at a time .
A: Okay .
C: The only advantage I was thinking of to having the buttons , like the buttons on one side for the channel , and then the slider is that if you're just holding in your hand , and you pick it up , it's easy to n s know , okay , this is just the volume and this is the channel .
D: D
A: Um A: Mm-hmm .
D: Oh .
A: This one on the one side and one D: Uh you could you could as l as like a mouse you could A: yeah . Okay .
B: Ye yeah ,
B: 'cause I've definitely picked up remotes and like meant to change the channel and turn the volume , or vice versa ,
A: Yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: so it'd be kinda good to have them be feel completely different .
A: Yeah .
B: You'd know what you were fiddling with .
B: Yeah .
D: Yeah ,
D: like the shape of it almost like a mouse ,
A: Yeah ,
C: That was A: or yeah uh th th the I mean thi this is what the D: with a A: we have to come up with is the the actual shape
A: that people can ins instantly pick it up and and know know uh know what it's going to do .
B: Mm .
C: Yeah .
A: Okay ,
A: so we we're looking at sliders for both a uh volume and channel change
C: Um well
C: I was thinking kind of just for the volume ,
A: of one sort .
A: Just for the volume , uh .
C: but what what do you guys think ?
B: Mm .
D: Dep I dunno if it C: We could D: depending on the final shape of it ,
D: 'cause you could have like , I dunno , it looks like you can c control the volume with your thumb ,
C: D: and then you could control the buttons with your fingers .
C: Yeah , yeah .
B: Yeah ,
A: Fingers ,
A: yeah .
B: 'cause if B: yeah ,
B: in that kinda position the fingers would be better for pressing and the that for rolling ,
A: It A: yeah , I mean
A: it it it seems to me that uh it uh it al also has the advantage that it it the two are clearly different ,
C: B
B: just the way it would C: Yeah .
B: Mm yeah , yeah , yeah .
C: Yeah .
A: um that there's no no possibility of uh confusing the two .
D: Oh yeah ,
D: yeah .
A: So okay . Right so uh
C: I'm just gonna pass this along .
A: that's A: sorry
A: is that that all you want to say at the mo
C: Yes .
A: okay , fine .
C: Yeah . B: D: A: Mm right .
D: B: D: Here we go .
A: Right .
D: Uh yeah ,
D: this is my report on trend watching .
A: Mm-hmm .
D: The data's come off internet uh from executive summary for us on the top three things wanted by the consumer .
D: And we got reports from Paris , Milan on new fashions .
B: D: And uh the most important aspect is the l the look
D: it has to look fancy , look and feel
A: Mm-hmm .
D: uh instead of the current functional look and feel .
D: This is a st
D: well
D: I was gonna say yeah twice as important as the second aspect ,
A: Mm .
D: which is the technologically innov innovative um side of it .
D: So uh
D: and the third being easy to use is probably a given ,
D: we have to try and incorporate ,
D: so uh A: Well I I mean
A: I th
A: I think that what we're suggesting ought to address all three of those .
D: Uh exactly , yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: Mm .
A: Okay .
D: I s that out of sequence ?
D: Uh yeah ,
D: sorry .
D: Uh yeah , and uh
D: from the fashion watchers from Milan and Paris have said fruit and vegetables are an important theme for clothes and furniture and shoes , et cetera .
B: C: Oh .
D: Uh sorry ,
D: clothes , shoes and furniture
A: Uh-huh .
D: and uh a spongy material to be used on the on the outside .
B: A: Mm
A: I hadn't thought of that ,
A: that's different , certainly .
D: Yeah .
B: Mm .
D: But uh I was gonna say
D: um yeah ,
D: fruit and vegetables , uh important to this year um important to furniture ,
A: What ?
D: I'm just gonna say
D: uh D: f like it's in if if fashion D: if we're going for the it looks fancy , then fashion is obviously the line we gotta be going through .
A: Yeah .
B: Mm-hmm .
D: But fashions do don't last very long .
B: Well
B: that can kinda tie into our changing uh face things ,
B: like we could have the fruit and vegetable theme this year
D: Mm .
A: D: Yeah .
B: and uh whatever happens next year , we can have the face plates ,
C: Yeah .
D: Yeah ,
D: we can have a sp like a spongy skin on it
B: yeah .
D: and then we can just whip that off and B: Yeah ,
A: Uh .
B: yeah .
C: Yeah
C: like the kind you get on like hand weights . You know , that kind of spongy B: Mm , yeah ,
B: that weird I dunno what that is ,
A: Uh .
B: but yeah .
C: yeah .
D: A kind of D: yeah .
B: Mm .
A: Also means you can drop it without damaging it .
D: Oh D: Yeah .
B: Uh , yeah , it's good as well . Mm-hmm .
D: That's c cool .
C: Yeah , that's true .
D: Um you have we could if we could save D: depending on the cost of the product itself , you know , could we have uh a cheaper b cheaper power source and then just have it annually renewed ? Instead of having a ten year guarantee ?
D: With interchangeable covers , could just buy a new one every year , a new one when new fashions come out .
C: Yeah .
B: Mm .
C: A: I I mean it its uh I that's an interesting idea ,
A: it's like the old Swatch watch
A: where uh um on only batteries ever got changed in those ,
A: 'cause people just bought a new one when it went out of fashion ,
A: but it's just never been seen as a a fashion item before .
B: Mm .
D: Yeah .
A: Um that's C: Wh
A: yes if if if they're made in sufficient quantity B: I I think it's easier sometimes to have them buy changeable covers for it than to buy a whole new one ,
B: because you don't feel like you're investing in a whole new product .
A: W I mean we we can uh uh b but
A: I mean my feeling is that current power sources are such that for relatively little cost you can make it last , you know , a long time .
B: Yeah .
B: Mm .
B: Yeah .
A: Um but if we also make it cheap enough that people either change the cover every year or even buy a new one every year then it it's it's even better .
B: Mm .
B: Mm .
C: What if we included the batteries in the cover ?
D: Mm-hmm .
B: Oh yeah . I like that .
C: So um
B: That all c also kind of encourages 'em to buy new covers
C: like B: and B: yeah .
C: Yeah , so
C: can I see that thing ?
B: Um .
A: S
C: Just this as examples .
A: Yeah , yeah ,
A: I n I know the only p
C: So f
A: I mean the the the the immediate thing that comes to mind with that is that it it it y you've then got the connection
A: and you've immediately got a sort of unreliability ,
A: whereas the advantage of having it plumbed in is that that the whole thing is all , you know , completely soldered together
B: Uh yeah .
C: Yeah , I guess that's
B: Mm .
A: and it it it you know , total reliability ,
C: true .
A: but I mean I d I I uh
A: I know what you're saying and uh understand where you're coming from .
D: Or well ,
D: but like uh like more than just the battery , like a complete different like you've only got
D: like , you know like th uh
D: this bit's the bit you keep ,
D: and this is the expensive bit ,
D: this is like the chip
D: and this is the microphone .
B: Mm-hmm .
D: And then this is the power source
D: and the bit everyone sees .
D: And then A: I th I s
A: I think if we're gonna go down that route , then we're talking about uh even if it costs slightly more than that , um just building the whole thing in one ,
D: Yeah , you probably are right .
A: then having getting cheaper production costs
A: um and , you know giving people the option of buying a new uh a a complete new thing ,
A: the advantage of a replaceable cover is that even if they don't it doesn't have a cover on at all , it will still work um totally .
B: Mm .
C: Yeah , that's true .
B: Mm .
A: Um then if , you know , if people lose the cover , I mean they they might be well inclined to go out and spend however many Euros on a on a new one um rather than a a complete new re remote .
C: Yeah , yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: Well
B: that that's just it with the covers , you're sort of tricking 'em into continuing to spend their money on our products without making 'em feel like they're being ripped off having to buy a new product .
C: Yeah .
A: Yeah ,
A: I mean it is it's up to it's up to C: Yeah ,
B: So ,
C: just another five Euro to get B: yeah .
B: Yeah .
A: Yeah ,
A: it's it's up to our marketing people to to ma to ma turn it into a a fashion item .
B: Mm .
C: Right .
B: Mm , yeah .
A: Um and , you know , as as external fashions change , then we get new new covers on the market and , you know , readily available .
B: Mm .
C: Yeah .
A: And um B: And that's the sort of thing , once you get the mould set , you can just whip out different colours , different pictures very very quickly .
A: that's that's right , yeah , yeah .
C: Yeah ,
C: like they have for mobile phones
B: Yeah , yeah , exactly , exactly .
C: that are just fruits and animal prints and colours .
B: Yeah .
C: Yeah , okay .
A: So uh i so uh okay . Um right ,
A: sorry .
A: Um we hadn't finished your D: Um oh , don't worry
D: it's all said ,
D: I was just gonna say
D: uh yeah ,
D: are we gonna make this as part of like like uh a part of the f like it it D: the fashions apply to furniture ,
D: so are we gonna make this part of the furniture ?
A: It's the sort of thing that we want people to have prominent dis displayed on their um coffee table to say this says something about me .
B: Mm . Mm-hmm .
A: Um this is fashionable .
D: Yeah .
D: This is fashionable
D: with B: Yeah .
A: I , you know , I'm I'm I'm with it , I'm up to date .
A: And you know , th the the design that I've got , and and it could be a a home-made design , um you know this says this is not just a a television remote control ,
A: this is , you know , a fashion accessory . Um ,
A: so I mean
A: the the the basic shape i is is what we uh A: I mean given that we've got you know one one on off button presumably , two buttons for uh channel change and one slider and basically nothing else ,
B: Mm .
A: um w we need to decide on the just the basic shape of the thing .
A: And , know whether we go down the fruit and veg route ,
A: and I don't suggest we make it look like a banana ,
B: C: D: A: but um know sort of the the organic , you know , curved look ,
B: Mm .
A: you know ,
D: Oh yeah .
A: t to deliberately get away from the uh um uh you know , the the the the square look of most um current uh remotes
A: and , you know , whether whether the you know , the the fixed part of it is the corporate yellow . Um
A: mm or uh A: 'cause there's certainly you know , the the corporate logo needs to be prominently uh displayed
A: so that people s th looked at it and say right , that's a Real Reaction remote control , I want one of those .
B: I dunno that we should make the whole thing yellow
B: I kinda thought with a you'd have like a yellow circle with the R_R_ in it somewhere on it ,
A: Yeah
A: uh the the uh  or or b
C: Yeah ,
C: like an .
B: but I'd B: yellow seems a bit of a strong colour
A: Yeah ,
B: to make the ent like the thing A: I'd I'd um C: Yeah .
B: no ,
A: yeah . Uh no
B: but I mean just like white or grey or black or some sort of blah colour .
A: I d I I agree ,
A: I mean we're we're we're simply it's simply required to incorporate the the the the corporate logo prominently um .
B: Yeah , yeah .
C: Yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: Mm .
D: And make that a fashion symbol as well . C: Well
C: n
A: Well ,
A: th this is this is the whole point ,
A: yes ,
A: you know ,
A: I'm A: I've got a a Real Reaction uh remote control to go with my Real Reaction coffee maker or or whatever .
B:  D: C: A: And uh then people , you know , people demand more Real Reaction stuff .
B: Mm-hmm .
C: Well
C: I was sort of mm kinda picturing like maybe um a shape that's almost like a mouse .
B: Mm . Yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: So that , you know , when they hold it it's C: because a mouse is pretty comfortable to hold in your hand
C: um maybe we could make it a slightly different shape
C: so they could hold on to it ,
C: but that way they can have the volume on the side and then the channel buttons and
A: Yeah . Yeah .
B: Mm .
C: have the power , wherever , somewhere .
B: Yeah .
C: I mean that was just an idea that I had .
A: I mean I've uh yeah .
A: Oh no
A: that A: well
A: there's the sim my
A: my idea was something a b probably you know a bit fatter than this but sort of tha that sorta shape
C: Yeah . Yeah , maybe .
A: so that you can just sort of ho hold it .
B: Yeah ,
B: you'd want it narrower than a mouse though
C: Kind of a c
B: 'cause it a mouse you're kinda just resting on it ,
B: you want something you can definitely grip .
A: W it B: So maybe it'd be C: Yeah .
A: I mean well
A: it's sort of it's it's sort of uh a a mouse ,
C: Sort of a combination .
B: Yeah , yeah .
A: but held , you know ,
B: Yeah .
A: so it's you sorta hold it in your hand like that , i with , you know , and fiddling with the buttons .
C: Yeah .
B: Yeah ,
B: and fiddle around with it
B: and press it .
C: Yeah so yeah ,
C: kind of maybe maybe a little wider than this ,
C: 'cause this is pretty comfortable to hold ,
C: and then if you had B: Maybe almost like a hairbrush , like you could get the about the width of that end of the pen
C: Yeah ,
B: and then it widens up top
C: then wider up here .
B: and you can fiddle
B: an
C: And then it would have a l uh wider thing to uh have the light , the infrared light at the T_V_ and just kinda change channels and adjust the volume
B: yeah .
B: Yeah ,
B: yeah .
B: Yeah .
B: Mm .
C: and the power could be wherever , up up the top or something .