C: So ,
C: I will open our functional design meeting .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: So ,
C: I will play role of the secretary . As also Program Ma Manager .
C: So ,
C: we will have the three presentations from the In Industrial Designer , User Interface Designer and um
B: Industrial Design .
A: Marketing Expert .
C: What's your talk ?
D: Okay .
C: Marketing Experts . A: Mm .
C: And after that we uh will have the uh new product requirements ,
C: the decision on the remote control functions ,
C: and we will close the meetings after .
C: Mm so um
C: I suppose the first to do the presentation will be the User Interface Designer .
D: Okay .
C: Um , so you're participant two ?
B: One one .
D: No no no .
C: No
C: you're D: One .
C: No ,
C: I'm participant one . B: Three three , it's three
B: sorry .
D: I I think I'm a .
C: Okay , never mind .
A: Okay .
C: 'Kay ,
C: did you save your presentation ? D: In one .
B: In one ,
B: sorry .
A: Yeah .
C: Isn't that technical functions ?
A: No sure .
B: So you didn't save it maybe .
D: It's mine .
A: Uh
B: Alright , so A: it's David Jordan . Course .
C: Name's Jordan .
C: So
B: David Jordan ? Mm-hmm .
D: Mm yeah .
A: Mm-hmm .
C: so I'll I let David Jordan do his presentation .
D: Okay .
A: No , no .
A: Uh this one doesn't want to be moved , I think .
C: Uh .
B: Too great for email then .
D: Okay , so .
D: The first I will present the technical function design for user interface for our uh remote T_V_ control .
B: Yeah .
D: Uh I I will focus on user interface design .
D: Um so move to the next slide .
C: Mm .
D: As we know our
D: remote c rem remote T_V_ control it's very has very soph sophisticated functions ,
D: as we show from this picture .
D: There's a lot of functions .
D: Over , I think over s twelve or twenty s functions of a remote T_V_ control .
D: So how can we um design a user interface with so sa with so many sophisticated functions ?
D: Um , let's move to next slide .
D: Um . Yeah . So
D: I D: so we want to design uh elegant , easy to use inter interface .
D: A very good example is Google .
D: As we know uh Google it's a very successful
D: because his um powerful function ,
D: but with very easy to use user interface .
D: Um so
D: move to next s slide .
C: D: So my job is to uh design a Google T_V_ controller D: which I want to have sophisticated functions while with very easy to use user interface .
D: So D: That's the end of the talk the end of the presentation .
B: C: So you propose to to have the
D: Uh C: remote control which will be powerful .
D: With sophisticated functions ,
D: but with very C: So powerful ,
D: yeah powerful .
C: many functions
D: Yes .
C: and very easy to use .
D: Yep .
A: So ,
A: I dunno ,
A: it's maybe difficult to have both ,
B: To merge the two system huh .
A: I mean the the one on the right doesn't look so simple
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
B: C: You mean this one ?
A: Yeah .
C: Yeah
C: you have to learn the manual before using this remote control , I suppose .
B: Mm yep .
A: B: But But this is D: But if we have very very good user interface
B: Yeah .
D: it take less time for user to learn how to use it .
A: Yeah ,
A: and then A: Yeah .
B: Yeah
B: you maybe you have some international standards ,
B: where you know , if you can use one is the other are or almost the same , so the sign .
C: Oh
C: you mean for the yeah pic pictograms or things like that ?
B: Yeah , yeah .
B: For example , I dunno here , escape , you know , you have escape in computers you have ,
B: so if you see escape , you know that it should be the same .
A: Oh it should okay , yeah .
B: So you have to The sh the user there A: The user should know .
B: for example the power off button it is something very international ,
B: you know that B: So .
C: Yeah um
C: such as maybe the B: Yeah . So .
C: Go on , go back
C: and B: Yeah ,
B: but the question is how to merge you know the Google system to the system , alright .
A: Yeah ,
D: Yeah ,
D: that's my job . A: that's gonna be the trick . B: That's your job D: That's my job .
D: It's not the easiest I've got to .
B: It you  A: C: So ,
C: you will propose us something which is yeah so powerful and easy to use .
D: Yep .
C: Okay .
A: Okay .
D: Powerful and easy to use .
A: So that's the point .
D: Yeah , that's the point .
C: So ,
C: next I propose the Industrial User Interface to present things .
B: Okay , okay .
C: So you you're B: Participant two .
B: Yeah .
C: Um . Okay .
A: B: B: The rationale must be design , or C: So ,
C: Baba is the uh the Industrial Designer . Okay .
B: So
B: we can move to the next slide .
B: As you all know , you know m my job is to design you know uh to give an industrial design of the remote control .
B: So the re basically the remote control will be , you know , infrared control ,
B: so the problem is how to relate the
C: Mm-hmm .
B: how to relate the remote control device , like for example this one I h I'm holding in my hand and the T_V_ .
B: So ,
B: this one is leather bu based
B: but A: Mm .
B: I propose a nifra infrared base B: you know , so so
B: for me I think that it is better it's bet it's better to control T_V_
C: A: B: so you know , so
B: it's it will be cheaper
B: and it is less technology than , you know B: For the cheap price we have , for the cheap price we want to A: True .
C: So you mean that infrared control is a cheap technology ?
B: I think it's cheaper than laser , so .
C: Yeah .
A: Okay .
C: Do y you know the requirements for the remote control ?
C: Twelve , nearly thirteen ,
A: What the cost is ?
C: yeah . The cost B: Yeah ,
B: I think for the cost we want for the cost we want  it's better to have uh uh
A: Twelve , twelve a half .
B: Let's see . Yeah .
B: You can move to the next slide , so .
B: So the di the differen the findings
B: you know
B: what you find inside the re i the the system here inside it is just , you know a bulb and an infrared bulb ,
B: so here for example the infrared bulb will be here
C: Mm-hmm .
B: and the bulb it will be somewhere inside .
A: That might just So .
B: You can go to the next slide .
C: Okay .
B: I have some kind of pictures
B: you know ,
B: here .
B: You have the b the bulb ,
B: it is a blue the blue stuff here
B: and the infrared and the infrared bulb it is the red stuff
C: Yeah .
B: you know
B: and so
B: and you have the other subcomponent
B: that are not really here so important , so .
C: What is this ?
B: This is in fact some other component
B: that are in between the electrical de the electronic device .
C: Okay .
B: Look .
B: But here what I wanted to emphasise it is just you know the bulb and .
C: Okay .
B: So
B: and the next slide ,
B: it is the last one
B: it's So it's B: I think it should be wire wireless re remote con B: Because you know , it's easier to manage
B: and you know because you f the b the the battery problem can hold you know will you use a battery or the a wire to connected you .
B: Or maybe some kind of thing that we can have both ,
B: but you know , I at my side prefer a wireless .
C: Okay .
B: Okay , so
A: Okay .
B: if you have some question I didn't answer ?
A: What's the average price of this technology then ?
B: Well
B: the avera the average prices
B: I think that this technology will cost , I dunno , around eight Euros , so .
B: Or at least you know , the
D: So what , the wireless remote control ?
D: There's a wire with remote control ? B: You'd B: yes , you can .
B: It's so so bres
B: you have to decide how how you will you know , put some energy inside ,
B: so
B: you can think about wireless
B: or you know
B: it's it's a question that we can raise , so .
B: We can think that you know , with the wire , you know , without a wire .
B: We can have both also .
D: Okay .
C: So you think that uh a cable between the remote control and the T_V_  won't be a good idea .
B: D: D: Okay .
D: Okay .
C: No
C: it wou
C: maybe it will be cheaper I dunno
C: , I just may maybe you making a solu
A: But this is what you would like to ask the user first
A: and I don't think the user would be ready to have a B: C: Yeah ,
D: Wireless remote control .
C: but B: Yeah ,
B: but some pa
A: I don't think well , yeah , I don't think he would ,
B: I always want to have you know ,
C: A: but in a sense B: sometime I want to have wire
B: because you know .
C: Yeah
C: but as Industrial Designer , do you think that it will be feasible to have uh linked or to have link between the remote control and the television ?
B: B: C: I'm just asking you .
C: Do you think it will be cheaper ?
B: Uh , I don't think it will be too much .
D: C: Could you answer please ? D: Okay .
B:  B: Have to think about the question ,
B: you know ,
B: 'cause it's I think that you know you can always you know C: Okay .
B: I think wha wha with the wire it's mm cheaper
B: but you know the wireless it's more practical , so .
C: Yeah ,
C: but I think the wireless problem is more the um David Jordan's problem .
D: Mm-hmm .
C: As it's A: The wire ?
C: yeah .
A: Yeah . True .
B: Okay , yeah .
C: I think it's more your problem .
C: Mayb maybe you have just to to kind of research
C: or try to ask people if they will like something wireless or not .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Uh
A: that's my job .
C: Okay ,
A: That's the C: I'm sorry .
C: So A: Now the B: Yeah
B: but , it should be an agreement ,
B: you know ,
B: because even if you can think of the wireless , it is it's it is the job of the the the g Graphical User Designer ,
B: but you know .
B: If it is a lot cheaper and if you want to reach for example some the the money you have , if you want to use , so it can be good to have a wireless ,
B: it it is a question .
D: Okay .
C: So
C: just think of um the usability .
D: Design a wireless remote control . C: Yeah .
C: Just think of the problem .
C: If when you have wireless remote control and if you lose it ?
D: Yeah .
A: Yeah .
C: I think it's would be easier to have a link between the remote control and the television ,
A: Well
A: that's actually one of the point ,
A: yeah ?
C: yeah .
A: True .
A: This you will see in my presentation then .
C: So I will let you to do your presentation , so .
A: Yeah .
B: Okay .
A: Which is participant four .
A: So just trying to answer all the questions ,
A: if the user would be happy to have something or something else uh .
A: We've made a study ,
A: so could you go to next slide .
C: A: Sorry for the functional recurrence .
A: So that's the standard method for marketing ,
A: okay .
A: We had one hundred subjects ,
A: um , we observe their remote control use in a lab
A: and then after all the experiments they had to fill up a questionnaire , um ,
A: and see what was okay or not for them .
B: Mm-hmm .
A: Okay .
A: So then it's some statistics about what we observed and what they answered .
A: Um actually seventy five percent of the users find m the most remote controls uh ugly ,
A: okay ,
A: so that's C: You mean the loo the look , the outside ?
B: The look , how it look like .
C: Okay .
A: Yeah , the the look is is bad for them
A: so uh
A: it's your job , David , maybe .
A: Then eighty percent of users would spend more money um actually if if the remote controls were not so ugly .
A: So this is where we could have uh yeah , good market , I guess , if people are ready to pay more .
B: Yeah .
A: So
A: it's it's interesting information , I think .
A: And then um yeah , the remote controls like the one you've shown previously it's not so doesn't fit the user requirements sometime ,
A: because it's too many buttons and so on .
A: So
A: we should change this as well .
A: And uh users are actually zapping a lot ,
A: so they're using the device intensively ,
A: that's something to take into account as well .
A: And um , you know ,
A: ten percent of the buttons are actually used in the remote control .
A: And uh this is one of the main point for me .
A: But I'll come back to it later .
A: 'Kay .
A: Could you go next slide ?
A: Uh , so as you said uh ,
C: Mm-hmm .
A: remote controls are often lost somewhere in the room .
C: A: So
A: this is from the experiments we've done ,
C:  A: so if we could solve this problem this would be interesting for the user , I think .
A: Um it takes too much time to learn how to use the remote control for thirty five percent of the people .
A: And uh remote control are really bad for R_S_I_ problems for twenty six percent of the users .
C: What is R_S_I_ ?
A: R_S_I_ is like , when you're using the same um doing the same movement several times , then you get injured .
B: Yeah .
C: Ah um okay . A: Okay ?
A: So ,
A: those numbers are less important then the previous one ,
A: but still it has to be taken to count .
A: So
A: last slide .
A: Um so my pres personal preferences for this problem is we have to meet the user needs .
A: If we can make it look fancy then we might sell more than our uh concurrent ,
A: okay .
B: Okay .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: And definitely if it could have less buttons , still maybe the same number of um functions , but less buttons ,
D: Functions .
A: this would definitely be a good way of selling more .
B: Okay .
A: Okay .
A: So C: Mm okay .
C: And just to have uh an idea , do you think you as the User Interface Designer to would it be possible to have less buttons and still have the same functionality and to have powerful remote control , you think it's possible ?
D: Yeah .
C: Sure ? Yeah ?
D: Yeah , I think possible .
D: Because we can We can uh mix uh several function in one button .
C: Yeah .
D: So lets you then you have less buttons .
C: Yeah ,
C: but do you think it will be easy to use ?
D: But I'm not sure C: Because if you have many functions just for one button it would be quite difficult for the user to know .
A: Yeah ,
A: remember
A: the user is not happy to read the
C: Yeah ,
B: The manuals .
C: I think the A: manual .
A: It's D: No
D: you you can have a switch menu ,
D: so you can
C: Yeah ,
D: well
C: but it has to be intuitive .
D: for example D: Yeah , I think so .
D: Like for for example you can uh you can category the function i i into several classes .
D: Then for um you can have a switch menu ,
D: so you put the switch menu to it it tend to this kind of this category of functions .
C: Yeah , okay .
C: Okay ,
D: Then you you put the switch button ,
C: but D: then it
D: switch to another category of functions . Yeah .
D: For example , if you have remote control you you can rem you can control your T_V_
D: and also you can control your uh recorder .
B: With a D: So there's a different functions ,
D: but i if you you there's a button you can switch between control T_V_ and control your recorder .
D: So we can has less buttons .
C: Yeah ,
D: But what I'm not so sure is about how to make the remote control look funny look fancy , not funny .
C: but B: Look fancy .
A: B: This is a question that should be asked to the If you ask the people , maybe the the marketing people .
D: Because different people have a different opinion about fancy . You know .
A: Yeah .
D: A: Yeah ,
A: this is something we sh
D: Because maybe a colourful is fancy for some people ,
D: but maybe simple and uh uniform colourful is fancy for some for other peoples , so .
C: Mm-hmm .
A: But this was first step and A: This was the first step , yeah .
B: I think the solution is to have many colours of you know instead of having one grey standard C: Yeah ,
C: but I think it will increase the price of the production of the remote control .
A: Specially distribution , yeah .
B: Yeah , yeah , maybe . Yeah , maybe .
C: If you need to have special colours for remote controls it will cost more .
A: Uh D: Yeah , personalised colour . Because you know C: Yeah , it will cost little bit more .
D: Yeah ,
D: because maybe some people prefer a red remote control ,
B: Yeah , yeah , yeah .
D: some people prefer black remote control .
A: Yeah ,
A: but this is what we would ask to the users , so .
C: And also f
D: Maybe we can have di di we can have uh several options ,
A: Yeah .
D: so user can select which colour they prefer , so .
C: Yeah ,
C: but as soon as you speak about options , it means that the price increases ,
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Yeah ,
A: remember it's twelve Euros .
C: and we don't really want the price to be too too high ,
C: because we wanna be able to produce it .
C: So ,
C: we want something fancy ,
C: as uh previously said , Florent ,
C: something very easy to use , powerful
C: and also as uh it's written here ,
C: seventy five percent of users , they zap lot ,
C: so maybe just having many functions in one button is not that good if you want to zap a lot .
D: Mm-hmm .
A: Hmm .
C: And they don't really want to zap between functions of their remote control ,
D: Mm-hmm .
C: they want to zap between channels on T_V_ .
C: So C: I think you have quite lot of points to to think about
B: Yeah .
C: and to discuss it with uh the other members .
B: Yeah , hmm .
D: Yeah .
C: So ,
C: is it okay for your presentation ?
C: Nothing else to to add ?
A: Yeah , it's done ,
A: just yeah . If we would if we could remember like , not too many buttons and make it look fancy , I think it would make it .
C: Mm-hmm .
C: Okay .
C: Mm so C: So ,
A: So .
C: I had some
C: new information about the product requirements ,
C: so you will have to take care of it of it in your thinking , in your designing of the remote control .
C: So
C: the first one is that um for the designing of the remote control we don't really want to use the teletext anymore ,
D: Mm-hmm .
C: as it's something that's