C: Uh , so in in fact it was pretty related to what Liz and Andreas did , uh , except that this was not with meeting stuff , it was with
E: Right .
C: uh , like I think they s didn't they start off with Broadcast News system ?
E: The - their Broadcast News was their acoustic models
C: And then they went to E: and then all the other tasks were much simpler .
C: Yeah .
E: So they were command and control and that sort of thing .
C: TI - digits was one of them , and , uh , Wall Street Journal .
E: Yep .
B: What was their rough what was their conclusion ?
E: Yeah , read Wall Street Journal .
E: It works .
C: Yeah .
D: Well , it 's it 's a good paper , I mean E: Yeah .
C: Yeah , yeah .
E: Yeah , that was one of the ones that I liked .
D: Bring the E: That It not only works , in some cases it was better ,
E: which I thought was pretty interesting ,
E: but that 's cuz they didn't control for parameters .
E: So .
E: You know , the Broadcast News nets were not nets ,
C: Probably .
D: Right .
E: acoustic models <comment> were a lot more complex .
B: Did they ever try going going the other direction from simpler task to more complicated tasks ,
E: n Not in that paper .
B: or ?
C: That might be hard .
E: Yeah , well , one of the big problems with that is is often the simpler task isn't fully doesn't have all the phones in it ,
E: and that that makes it very hard .
C: Yeah .
B: Mm - hmm .
C: Yeah .
E: But I 've done the same thing .
E: I 've been using Broadcast News nets for digits ,
C: Yeah .
E: like for the spr speech proxy thing that I did ?
E: That 's what I did .
C: Yeah ,
C: sure .
E: So . It works .
C: Yeah .
C: Yeah , and they have I mean they have better adaptation than we had than that that system ,
E: Yep .
C: so they C: um ,
E: You mean they have some .
C: yeah , we should probably what would C: actually what we should do , uh , I haven't said anything about this ,
C: but probably the five of us should pick out a paper or two that that , uh , you know , got our interest ,
C: and we should go around the room at one of the Tuesday lunch meetings and say , you know , what what was good about the conference ,
E: Present .
E: Yep .
E: Do a trip report .
C: yeah .
D: Well , the summarization stuff was interesting ,
D: I mean , I don't know anything about that field ,
D: but for this proposal on meeting summarization ,
D: um , I mean , it 's sort of a far cry
D: because they weren't working with meeting type data ,
D: but he got sort of an overview on some of the different approaches ,
E: Right .
B: Do you remember who the groups were that we 're doing ?
D: so .
D: Well there 're E: A lot of different ones .
D: this was the last day ,
A: R I think D: but , I mean , there 's that 's a huge field and probably the groups there may not be representative of the field ,
A: Mm - hmm .
D: I I don't know exactly that everyone submits to this particular conference ,
B: Was were there folks from BBN presenting ?
D: but
D: yet there was , let 's see , this was on the last day , Mitre , BBN , and , um , Prager E: Mitre , BBN , IBM .
E: Uh ,
A: Maryland .
D: um , I wo it was C: Columbia have anything ?
C: No .
D: no it was E: Wasn't Who who who did the order one ?
D: this was Wednesday morning .
D: The sentence ordering one , was that Barselou , and these guys ?
E: Ugh ! <comment> I 'm just so bad at that .
A: Oh .
D: Anyway , I I it 's in the program ,
D: I should have read it to remind myself ,
D: but that 's sort of useful
D: and I think like when Mari and Katrin and Jeff are here it 'd be good to figure out some kinds of things that we can start doing maybe just on the transcripts
D: cuz we already have E: Yeah , we do have word transcripts .
C: Mm - hmm .
D: you know ,
E: So .
D: yeah .
A: Well , I like the idea that Adam had of of , um , z maybe generating minutes based on some of these things that we have
A: because it would be easy to to to do that
A: just , you know ,
D: Right .
A: and and
A: it has to be , though , someone from this group because of the technical nature of the thing .
E: Someone who actually does take notes ,
E: um , I 'm very bad at note - taking .
D: But I think what 's interesting is there 's all these different evaluations , like just , you know , how do you evaluate whether the summary is good or not ,
E: I always write down the wrong things .
A: I do take notes .
D: and that 's what 's was sort of interesting to me is that there 's different ways to do it ,