Говернадор-Валадарис
Later, after working in the mechanical function, since as an employee of the DNER, he moved to Governador Valadares, where he participated in all local radio programs, "Educator Rio Doce", especially in "Sunday's Day Off", skippered by John Dornelas, who believed in the future of "Bullfinch Caratinga" – his nickname at the time.