Purchased these for work. I'm on my feet 10+ hours, 4-6 days per week, doing very physical work. I'd purchased the loafer style of these shoes in the past but thought the higher ankle support would be better. It wasn't. I also think the toe box is narrower which means the fit is more cramped than the other style. Live and Learn. I should have repurchased the other style. I use orthotics and they do not work as well in these as the other style. Not sure why, which leads me to think the toe box is narrower. I still use but not as much as I'd anticipated. Manufacturer needs to work on getting the fit more universal.