I should have listened to reviews- the fit of these shoes is odd. I thought I' try an 8 1/2 since I normally wear an 8 (8 1/2 in some shoes) and some reviewers said they were too small. They are comfortable when first put on, but my toes are up against the front.  In less than 1 hour of wear, these rub against the outer toes especially (even after a month of trying to break them in) and my feet hurt because the arch support is in the wrong place. My feet then have to take a break from the shoes for a few days. I have liked Ryka shoes in the past because they support my feet right, but not this pair!  Choose something else!