I have an E width high volume foot. I have to by 3E and 4E widths to make room for my for volume more than for its width. These were size 13, 4E and weren't tight but the toe box was too loose. Tightening the laces caused a small wrinkle in the leather over my toes. I didn't particularly feel that these were going to work out even in a smaller width, so I returned the and got  a pair of &#34;Propet Men's M1019 Commuterlite Walking shoe,Black,13 3E&#34;, which fit great with my custom orthotics. If these came in a 3E, they would probably have fit better.