ok shoe. however there is NO ARCH SUPPORT. Normally wear 13 and my feet are on the wider side but becuse of reveiws I got a 12. it is snug around the ankles and roomy at the toe as I expected. took some breaking in and I was sore  rubbing around my ankles,  on the other hand ankle support is nice! Taking the inserts out and putting a different arch support made these perfect shoes for long days working construction. they are light and cool enough for hot summer work (90+) I was happy until  the first month the toe collapsed and was bent up due to my work bending down, my wife thought they made me look like a transient. About 4 months later the shoe needed to be repaired it started to tear from the sole around the toe. worked for a few more months and fell apart once more.