At the end of the day, after wearing for a couple of years, I came to the realization that they weren't really boots - they were high top tennis shoes that look like boots. That's not bad, if you are looking for a comfortable shoe that is light, looks like a boot and has excellent tread that really grips. But, I wanted more arch and overall foot support, didn't want to feel each rock, and at the end of the day I relegated them to lawn mowing and light construction activities. Until the smell from use was over-powering and I decided not to fake it anymore.