These shoes were HUGE.  even with thick hunting socks.  I measure a perfect 8M on the device at the shoe store.  Generally I do buy a 38 in Dansko, but sometimes a 39 those will require thick sock.  I would say these Norma boots run 1 size larger at the minimum.  The heel is relatively wide but that can always be fixed with an insert.  that said they felt extremely comfy....if they had fit I would have been one happy camper.  the burgundy color is gorgeous and the workmanship perfect.  Sure the ankle opening is a tad wide but with pants no one would see that.