Was much smaller than I expected.  Where fine for a couple of days but once I got the pack on and started descents on the trail I had a lot of rubbing and jamming of my toes to the front toe box to spite whatever lacing technique I used.  My last boots where a 12 regular without this problem and I also had toe room in those.  I would not have been able to get them on without ordering these in a wide so, I bought these in a 12 wide thinking I would have the same room but these where right up to my toes.  I need the 13 Wide in these.  So I will need to return and swap them.