I got them in black, and they are beautiful, well-made boots.  But I returned them as my heels slipped up about 3/4&#34; with every step and I could even take them off while zipped, with little resistance.  It was the same with very thin socks as well as light & medium cushioned ones.  My heels are on the slim side, but my other ankle boots and a different Frye pair tried on in a store fit OK.  Frye's website says some heel slippage is normal and will decrease with use, so I called them.  The rep said more than 1/2&#34; initial slippage is too much and they shouldn't pull off this easily while zipped, so I should try a different style.  Otherwise, the length was good in my normal 8.5M and my toes had just enough room (actually the medium cushioned socks crowded them), so sizing down was not an option.