i like the shoes, i ordered a 9.5, 4E, my last pair was 10, 4 E and they were just a little long so i went down a half size, i should have stayed with the 10, the 9.5 is a little too short. coming down hills my toes hit the end of the shoe. love the shoes though, nice cushioning, nice looking. i under pronate, the cumulus is awesome for those of us who suffer with that condition.