Although I already have this same brand and style shoe in a different color (grey) and the 8.5W fits fine, this 8.5W is WAY TOO SMALL and I have returned this pair. Please note: I then ordered the 9W which was ENORMOUSLY LARGE and have sent that back as well! It's very disappointing because the color and look of these shoes is lovely (and they actually appear well-made). I really like them; nevertheless, the sizing is so out of kilter that the shoe in either size was unwearable.