Quality of this shoe is bellow average. I pulled the shoelaces right through the top of shoe lace holes. To thin and no material to support the lace properly. This was the first time i put on the shoes.....very disappointing. Also food for thought........don't buy half a size smaller as suggested is previous review. (Steve How) You will end up with painful toes. Altra has a lot of work to do to improve the quality of the shoes.....I returned the shoes today to Amazon.