I ordered these in a size 5 and they are bigger than my ladies size 7 nikes! I reordered in size 4 and they are still too big! The size 4 kids is equivalent to a ladies size 7. They seem to be good quality and it's hard to find kids Velcro sneakers in larger sizes so I'm keeping them until my 12 year old grows into them. Size 3 kids should be the equivalent of a normal size 5.