UPDATE These shoes are terrible. They split at the seams within a month of purchase. Have had three pairs do the same thing. Will attempt to return them all. DO NOT BUY. Shoes are defective, and having trouble with Amazon customer return page. At this point I would tell you not to buy shoes from Amazon. Shoes last just Beyond amazon 30 day return and you are stuck with them. WASTE OF MONEY. NO GOOD. Do not buy these shoes from Amazon. No satisfaction guarantee with these guys. 30 days and out.