I returned the shoes and found a pr a half size larger...I usually wear ann 8.5. But have other shoes like these all size 9...I have 6 pr of this type of shoe... I painted a black pair. navy blue.  J41 are the best. I work in a library so I'm on my feet all day..These are great shoes...yea! I used simple craft paint and put a clear satin gloss to seal the paint...