I ordered them 1/2 size larger than normal in wide width as I need a wide shoe.  The cap toe seems to make them tighter and even after several time of wearing they do not break in under the cap.  Not that I think they should.  My fault for not thinking through the cap making it firmer which makes it less comfortable.  Had I ordered in my normal size I would not be able to put them on.  I do not consider the fairly flat insole to have much support for arch.  I normally replace the supports in some shoes but these appear to not be removable.