Do not buy these. Their cheap plastic hardware will break easily and Tim will not replace them. I bought these and after one week one of the hooks broke. I sent them to tim for replacement and they determined it was not a manufacturing defect. WHAT A JOKE! Will never buy from Timberland again. Be warned. They are to expensive and don't last. They are comfortable and everything else but if you want to crazy glue the plastic parts, these are for you.