Shoes appear to be youth shoes. About 75% as wide as all my other D width shoes. By mistake I put the box in the recycling bin and now am unable to return them I'm told as I don't have the flimsy cardboard box. Doesn't make sense as there are local retailers that have shoes without boxes all the time. It's a simple excuse to deny a return. Avoid these shoes they are junk and the vendor as their return policy isn't the best.