I ended up giving these away to someone else.  When I bought these, I thought I was getting a steal of a deal, but you get what you pay for.  The shoes looked like a experiment trying to look like the picture I'd seen.  They looked cheap and like counterfeits...  they felt like house shoes...  looked like house shoes...  they didn't feel or look stylish as they did advertised.  I'm sure the person that was given these for free appreciated the gesture...  one man's trash...