I generally like this brand, always order a size bigger than I normally wear. I bought these shoes with another pair in a different style, both the same size, the other pair fit as expected, but this pair looked small from the get go. Checked the box, said the size I ordered, checked the shoe, said it was the size ordered. They are absolutely small. I think if wear them with a nylon on a non retaining water day could wear them, that is not how shoes should fit, see a lot of blisters in my future. Would say to order two sizes bigger in this shoe's case. It's bizarre. They of course are the more expensive ones of the two.