This is a really cute shoe.  I normally wear an 8 1/2 but with J Renee I can usually get by with an 8W.  So they 8W was on sale a lot cheaper than the 81/2 so I bought them.  I did expect them to be a bit short since I was going down 1/2 size but ordering the wide would compensate for this.  Not in this shoe.  Even for a wide they were extremely tight. Had to send them back. I think if I ordered my reg 8 1/2 they would have been to tight.