They are the most awful shoes Timberland I've ever bought.  They fit tooo large, I didn't even use once, they feel like you would be using a weekend boat.  The width is not as expected, I thought it was wide.  The tip doesn't look like the picture, when you open up the box it seem like you have asked for a clown shoes.  Very very disappointed....  I have always bought 8.5D, but the shoes were looking like 9.5 W, for clown, only that in brown color. The picture looks very very beautiful, but when you have them in front, the tip is round and awful... I guess they are comfortable.  I just use them to try in a mirror....