Finally found a pair of boots that fit my small calves but the 8.5 was too small.  I ordered a size 9 but the goring was too big so these were loose around my calves.  Unfortunately both pairs went back.  I also found the quality a little poor.  Personally, I think pebbled leather looks cheap but what I'm aiming to find is a pair of boots that my calves aren't swimming in.  I was also put off by the box the boots came in - true American craftsmanship Made in Mexico.