So, the Chinese are fabulous in many things like electronics, but making fashionable shoes, they are NOT!  The opening the box experience resembled opening a computer: plastic bags, foam, paper, plastic sticks even.  Once I got to the shoes, I was disappointed in big ways.  Pliner is/was a quality brand, but these shoes are missing that quality.  To be complete, the shoe construction looks decent/good, but the overall &#34;look&#34; is like 1970s pleather.........  If it did not have the Pliner name on it, I would have brushed it off as cheap shoes.