Lately buying J Renee has been a hit or miss for me.  I usually wear an 8 1/2 but with this brand I can usually get by with an 8W if they do not have my size or the 8W is on sale.  The 8W was on sale and they were really tight all over even for a wide. They were short which I kind of expected going down a 1/2 size. However they were really tight over all.  I had to check inside the shoe to see if it was an 8W. Really cute shoe but sent them back.