I just got these shoes, so I don't have a long history with them.  However, I absolutely LOVE J-41s, and have worn them for years.  I have to wear orthotics for arch support, and the shoes are comfortable with my orthotics in them.  Fortunately, I have narrow feet because these run a little narrower than I expected.  I probably won't wear thick socks with them, but thin socks and my orthotics will work great.<br /><br />I marked them only 4 stars because they run narrow.