For the price, great shoe, but I went to a new balance store and got an even better pair for arch support (also about twice the price!) that if my foot is hurting I combine with the supports and it helps immensely with the pain. These shoes have become my go to for anything that might get me muddy/dirty/covered in grass. If you have a really flat foot and need more support even with custom orthotics then find an actual new balance store and be prepared to spend about 175 for a fantastic pair of shoes.