Toa and Jerzeykydd have gone to great lengths to establish a false consensus on various election articles When users challenge them on it they point to the discussions where they pushed through their ideas but never to the multiple articles where they failed Until some type true consensus is established we are working on an electionbyelection article basis 

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Toa and Jerzeykydd have gone to great lengths to establish a false consensus on various election articles When users challenge them on it they point to the discussions where they pushed through their ideas but never to the multiple articles where they failed Until some type true consensus is established we are working on an electionbyelection article basis 

