 WikipediaArticles for deletionCheongye Kwan Your post at the above AFD on a new martial art bothers me This was the version at the time that you based your post on You posted I just read the article and to be quite honest feel that it does satisfy Wikipedias guidelines it is reliably sourced Since I believe the notability of the article is satisfied It now has 11 independent sources And to refute the argument posed by Wayne it is determined by the Phillip Rhee source that the martial arts is not localisedPlease consider the concerns this post raises Simple matters like references notability and noobie basics of AFDs should be routine for any moderately experienced user and breadandbutter for any admin In fact a cursory check shows that almost everything you stated was I dont have a word for it Unreal is closeThe eleven independent sources that you stated established notability and nonlocalization at the time were Three references from 2004 coates robinson shaw certainly before the topic even existed  and all related to a passing piece of news about its founder being on the team of a completely different sport in any event  Two references from 1st half 2005 davies white almost certainly identical and identically irrelevant to the topics notability The promoters personal page on his local town website almost certainly selfpublished official village website A 2008 casual interview in a nonnotable and possibly nonreliable university magazine apparently of the promoters travels to see experts in a different sport with tangential tiny  1 sentence mention that hed discussed his new sport with them too  the Lau Philip LA interview 3 entries marked Reference and support of  Written Reference chris cook rhee obviously a request by the founder to a friendcolleague write a letter of support that was never published anyway and isnt cited so you cant have read it not that it was even possibly valid evidence A short writeup of a local information kind on the award of the first 4 black belts by the school in its local paperIn brief of the 11 5 were before the sport existed and were not even remotely to do with the topic itself much less sourced material on it or substantial coverage they had precisely zero coverage  3 were claims of personal I think  is a great guy letters of support evidently solicited andor written on request with zero evidence of verifiable existence and certainly in no way reliably sourced or independent  1 was selfwritten 1 was the briefest of nonmentions in a nonreliable source pretty much I discussed the topic with them in a college magazine interview 1 is local press coverage of his courses thats not even news for a day  or evidence of anything beyond a course by this name is taught twice weekly in our local village hallYour assessment of these at AFD was It is reliably sourced styleborderc0c0c0 solid 1px width90  There is barely one reliable source in all of those 11 that the sport even exists in the first place   a local newspaper mention that it meets in a village hall on tuesdays and fridays and just awarded its first 4 black belts Probably via selfpromotional input  There is zero reliable sourcing for any of the rest That the cited pages are evidence of notability styleborderc0c0c0 solid 1px width90  They dont mention it or even date from a time the topic existed nor are online versions provided How on earth could they reliably evidence it That the 11 sources are independent styleborderc0c0c0 solid 1px width90  3 are claims that please support me letters exist they are even stated to be personal references unpublished and uncited 1 is his own clearly selfwritten web page on a local village web host That the cites show it is nonlocalized styleborderc0c0c0 solid 1px width90  The page doesnt list a link so you cant have checked the cite yet you say the citation proves it  The reference openly stated Cambridge University and Bristol Taekwando  a big indication of its actual source When a link was provided on request  it turns out it

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 WikipediaArticles for deletionCheongye Kwan Your post at the above AFD on a new martial art bothers me This was the version at the time that you based your post on You posted I just read the article and to be quite honest feel that it does satisfy Wikipedias guidelines it is reliably sourced Since I believe the notability of the article is satisfied It now has 11 independent sources And to refute the argument posed by Wayne it is determined by the Phillip Rhee source that the martial arts is not localisedPlease consider the concerns this post raises Simple matters like references notability and noobie basics of AFDs should be routine for any moderately experienced user and breadandbutter for any admin In fact a cursory check shows that almost everything you stated was I dont have a word for it Unreal is closeThe eleven independent sources that you stated established notability and nonlocalization at the time were Three references from 2004 coates robinson shaw certainly before the topic even existed  and all related to a passing piece of news about its founder being on the team of a completely different sport in any event  Two references from 1st half 2005 davies white almost certainly identical and identically irrelevant to the topics notability The promoters personal page on his local town website almost certainly selfpublished official village website A 2008 casual interview in a nonnotable and possibly nonreliable university magazine apparently of the promoters travels to see experts in a different sport with tangential tiny  1 sentence mention that hed discussed his new sport with them too  the Lau Philip LA interview 3 entries marked Reference and support of  Written Reference chris cook rhee obviously a request by the founder to a friendcolleague write a letter of support that was never published anyway and isnt cited so you cant have read it not that it was even possibly valid evidence A short writeup of a local information kind on the award of the first 4 black belts by the school in its local paperIn brief of the 11 5 were before the sport existed and were not even remotely to do with the topic itself much less sourced material on it or substantial coverage they had precisely zero coverage  3 were claims of personal I think  is a great guy letters of support evidently solicited andor written on request with zero evidence of verifiable existence and certainly in no way reliably sourced or independent  1 was selfwritten 1 was the briefest of nonmentions in a nonreliable source pretty much I discussed the topic with them in a college magazine interview 1 is local press coverage of his courses thats not even news for a day  or evidence of anything beyond a course by this name is taught twice weekly in our local village hallYour assessment of these at AFD was It is reliably sourced styleborderc0c0c0 solid 1px width90  There is barely one reliable source in all of those 11 that the sport even exists in the first place   a local newspaper mention that it meets in a village hall on tuesdays and fridays and just awarded its first 4 black belts Probably via selfpromotional input  There is zero reliable sourcing for any of the rest That the cited pages are evidence of notability styleborderc0c0c0 solid 1px width90  They dont mention it or even date from a time the topic existed nor are online versions provided How on earth could they reliably evidence it That the 11 sources are independent styleborderc0c0c0 solid 1px width90  3 are claims that please support me letters exist they are even stated to be personal references unpublished and uncited 1 is his own clearly selfwritten web page on a local village web host That the cites show it is nonlocalized styleborderc0c0c0 solid 1px width90  The page doesnt list a link so you cant have checked the cite yet you say the citation proves it  The reference openly stated Cambridge University and Bristol Taekwando  a big indication of its actual source When a link was provided on request  it turns out it

