as he put it this is a question that seems to be forgotten in the quest to compare and measure and to justify what educators do he added where we can expect to lose the plot is when we move away from an understanding of those core values and what they are supposed to achieve in education and training to a process that bureaucratises indebtedness looking across its universities and more than schools south africa has become very good at giving the impression of achieving particular outcomes while having not achieved them at all