'Missing the point, once again.  Not worth the debate = whether Himmler is wimpy or not Worth the debate / Purpose of my questions or meta-discussion = whether the issue of Himmler being wimpy or...|||Thank you for sharing your analysis of the matter, Naskad. You are correct that I am first planning out long-term all the possibilities of association with this ENTJ. I find it interesting how the...|||Hmm. Contrary to your perception, I did indeed say something, albeit between the lines, which I now detail, step by step:  1. People make up informed/uninformed opinions all the time. 2. There...|||Hmm. You must forgive me, but I do not believe I understand the point you are driving at, and its significance...  I mean, for me, something like judging wimpiness would be easily dismissed as...|||Why, thank you. I haven't heard of it put that creatively...|||Thanks. Jeez, I'd have to say it's very difficult to give a gift to an ISFJ... you guys are probably the hardest to gift. :)|||Interesting point, but I'd say it was at least debatable. It would require a proper, accepted definition of wimpiness at least.  I'd say in comparison to the rest of the world, Himmler still...|||...yes? I don't know why anyone would think Himmler was a wimp.|||Yes, it made sense to me. Thank you :)  I got to talk to him more earlier, he seems like a really reasonable and mature person. His father had died in the previous year so he seems very wise and...|||I am not very generous with forgiveness. I believe INTJ in general are very ambitious people who do not like wasting resources, and if anyone had wasted our effort, trust, love and time (could sound...|||Thanks! That's a good idea, I think he's been eyeing some sort of metal racks for his aquariums or something... :)|||I'm sorry...what did you say again?  Haha kidding. I tend to be absent-minded and require my ISFJ partner to repeat things often. It makes him ballistic. I've learned to listen to every 4th or 5th...|||Hi guys! So my beloved ISFJ bf is going to have his birthday soon. And frankly I am completely out of ideas on what to give him. He has so many of everything already (pretty common for ISFJs I hear)....|||I have a soft spot for ISFJ. If you really want to get your INTJ back, here is a possible way:  INTJ are moved by LOGIC, and REASON. It is their god. Since you are a Sensor, think of it this way:...|||You're missing out on a lot. They're my favorite type. I generally dislike everyone except ISFJ.    Hi lenabelle :)   I'm getting to know this new ESFJ friend so I'm monitoring this thread......|||Deleted - duplicate|||Thanks Tea Path. To be fair, I am much more confident with being behind the scenes if an ENTJ is leading the group. I tend to work well with ENTJs unless they are my enemies. But it's quite true...|||I usually reserve directness for people I really care about. I don't know, maybe it's an INTJ thing. But I won't usually give around people the privilege of straightforwardness just because they...|||Thank you all for your wonderful points. It's enlightening to discuss this with such logical people.     Thanks, Mr Canis. Just earlier in class I was sitting at a distance from him, and I could...|||It's actually a little more complicated in my head. I was aiming to form some sort of alliance with this ENTJ. We work well together professionally and I kinda need that in this environment...|||So, I'm currently studying law and I have this classmate who is quite intelligent, tested as ENTJ, and also 18 years older than I am. He's also married and has 1 kid.  I've been noticing recently...|||I spent years being mistyped as ENTJ, typically associated with Enneagram type 8. When I took Enneagram, I turned out to be a 5, typical for INTJs. There were also other factors making me accept my...|||I'm guessing it may be because I have had a short temper in recent years due to stressful situations, so the ESFJs might tend to avoid me. Though on second thought, I think I have one ESFJ friend......|||Oh, I'm glad to hear then that our renter seems to like me :)  Maybe it's really the S-N divide. :) I find it quite intriguing sometimes. I'm guessing your INTJ dad is mentioning something...|||Sorry for the long break guys! I was pretty busy...  Wow, this post took off! I'm glad. I love this group.     I think we may be in a similar meaning to this. I also see compassion as an...|||You're welcome. I didn't mean to come off as heartless in my suggestion, perhaps you may allow me to extrapolate a bit.  My philosophy in life is: you cannot care for everyone; you will have to...|||When I was about 5 or 6, my dad would sometimes come home from work with a book for me, because his office was right beside a bookstore. He would bring me beautifully illustrated encyclopedias of...|||Wow, living in your house seems difficult. I can't see any wrong thing that you have done. But it depends on how dependent you are on your parents anyway. Since you buy most of what you need with...|||Wow, thank you for this very informative post. I've read some of your posts before and I admire how you are totally against the stereotypes of ESFJ. I am also in my own way battling this stereotype...|||UPDATE: I've made efforts to control my impulses to want to know everything about him, and so far I've been successful. I've managed to detach myself a bit and be more realistic about my...|||True, if I had a dollar for every self-professed INTJ I came across whose perception of his intelligence greatly eclipsed that of its reality... I would be very rich.  Thank you for your...|||I forgot to mention that studying the Enneagram also helped.  True. Aside from strong shadow functions, even an emphasis on a TERTIARY function can drive one into confusion. I happen to have strong...|||One probability is that the INTJ typical characteristics are more in tune with the idealized version of the male in society, and the ENFP typical characteristics are more in tune with the...|||Hi guys! I'm not ISFJ but I love you guys and I keep saying that I do whenever I post something ISFJ related so I've probably begun to sound pathetic at this point.  My problem is, whenever I...|||No, no, Reese is an F, not a T. He is always arguing with Finch about wanting to save even the bad people.  Quote:  Finch: Mr Reese, don't let your personal feelings get in the way.  ISTPs...|||I believe in the supernatural and always make experiments about it. I've studied astrology for 7 years.|||Dear ISFJ,  You tell me you love me. I don't know what exactly constitutes that. But: You're the most wonderful being I have ever met.  I am never as happy as when I am beside you. When I lose...|||Teacher, the newt exists and is an amphibian - when I was 8|||I love ISFJ. I would wear a t-shirt saying it. They've done so much for me. Sorry to hear about your experience with your friend.  I don't want to generalize, but I have a few ENFx friends, and...|||Hmm, I may have an idea what you mean.  I believe Intuition is a little too overrated sometimes. I have observed some Intuitives somewhat demean Sensors because of their weakness in identifying...|||I don't think I'll ever be in a relationship with an ENFP.  They're great as friends and conversation, but they have these commitment problems and I really want some consistency in my...|||Extraversion and introversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  Eysenck proposed that extraversion was caused by variability in cortical arousal. He hypothesized that introverts are...|||I've started to love this show recently, and I had been wondering about what the types of the characters are. I don't believe I've seen any discussion about this show and MBTI.  Here are my two...|||I'm an astrologer so maybe I can give some extra input to the question.  My Sun sign is Aries but I'm Pluto dominant and have strong Scorpio influences. My type is INTJ.  I have two Libra...|||It's weird how ISFJs are underrepresented in this poll. I find them to be quite badass when they're fighting for a passion.  They're even called The Defender!  Examples would be: John Reese,...|||I'm not single, but if I were, I would.  I'm nuts about ISFJ men. I'd follow them to the ends of the earth and possibly discard all others.|||Haha, I have Leo rising, Venus and Mars in Pisces, is that enough?|||I feel this way sometimes. It can be depressing being INTJ.  If you envy INFJs so much, maybe they see that in you too, and envy you as well. INFJ being the rarest type can feel out of place and...|||Hmm, my understanding of the shadow type is reversed functions and order. Could be wrong though.  For example, me as INTJ would be Ni Te Fi Se My shadow type would then be Si Fe Ti Ne  Using...|||My hypothesis is ENTP. Creativity fits in ENTP. One of its names is The Inventor.'