'Well said. Going to gnaw on that for awhile. Thank you Jeremy!|||Yep. As much as it irritates me to concede to that point, I do agree. Value judgements are challenging for me and I still tend to be black & white in my thinking as a starting point to build on. But...|||In response to Jeremy8419's 1st post This response took me a while to process. I like the step by step, practical, cut to the chase advice. And yes, we are so busy defending ourselves that our flaws...|||Lol!!! Now I like INFJ's even more...you had me at young lady... lets just say I am more seasoned than I'd like to admit :) bless your heart! Yes, ISTPs do say things bluntly esp about things...|||That's exactly what I was doing...I like that image!   I understand she gets relationships and she has helped me in some very political work situations in the past. Appreciated in that situation,...|||Smile You made me actually smile...a simple and easy solution, I can handle that! I also appreciate your sense of fairness in that this is a 2 sided issue. Indeed we both need to do our part in...|||Hello INFJs! I've been reading up on your posts and you seem to bring a lot of insight to bear and listen with patience. Would like to hear what you think.   I am an ISTP who has been placed with...|||I can fulfill the nurse role AND also be a pretty good caser/observer|||I share the same perception of the INFJ that I spend a lot of time with. It seems like there is a deep underlying thread of insecurity that constantly rears it's head internally. She expends a lot of...|||It is interesting that you used the phrase break down that wall. I have had several conversations in the past with a close friend about my testing his sincerity about his feelings for me. As much...|||The older I get, the more I think that faith is a gift of grace from God. This gets me into trouble if I think too long about it because it's a very circular argument of which comes first, the gift...|||It is intersting how a few of my top strengths do contradict themselves. I often am at internal war, and most of the time I am the casualty since Harmony often wins the day.  As an aside, I just...|||[QUOTE=HonestAndTrue;3250995]I'd be interested to hear what type or role you were in before and the type of role you are in now. It's amazing how some people can own, function, even excel in a role...|||I am glad someone decided to resurrect this thread. I am fascinated by both instruments. We took the StrengthsFinder test for work and I realized how much I was not wired for the role I had at the...|||Me too. More productive and sharp in the morning and wind down considerably by 1pm from constant interaction. especially can relate to the not being able to think clearly. That alone will cause...|||I agree. I came here to better understand my ex-boss after I decided to leave my former job, and to do this I needed to find some common ground with other ISTPs (often by just reading posts) to...|||43 and I prefer the noogie.|||^^this! Absolutely agree. I love being an ISTP, wouldnt dream about being anyone else. It took me awhile to get to this point though. I am over 40 and went through many adjustments trying to meet...|||This is an untrue statement. In the Christian and Jewish traditions, the 10 commandments are a set of moral codes or rules. Please explain to me how any of these don't cause harm to someone if...|||You obviously dont need my permission to be non-religious, knock yourself out. I just dont follow your arguments against religion when you at times are using religious-based arguments and terms to...|||I find it interesting that you use the word morals in your argument and that you have true morality to offer vs a belief in an oppressive God. I submit an interesting article that does a nice job...|||As far as Im concerned, you have entirely discounted your arguments against religion by your stance here. Youve created quite the division all by your lonesome, without the evil of religion....|||Seamaid~I am sorry that youre going through this mess, my heart goes out to you! I dont have much to add as far as advice goes but I do have a question. Is it possible for you to move out? I realize...|||@INFpharmacist, I am very adept at predicting what will potentially back-fire and equally good at discerning the right course to take at work. Nothing frustrates me more than wasting time on cleaning...|||Thanks for expressing your frustration the way you did! That makes a whole lot of sense to me...the overwhelming with details that drowns the actual point...hmm. My past ENFP boss often would...|||While reading these perceptions of S's is annoying, your explanations do help me to understand why some N's respond to me the way they do. Instead of jumping to the conclusion that S's arent...|||In my past professional life, I was surrounded by peers who are INtuitives (who were mostly ENF's). I was often in awe of their ability to see the possibilities and to strategize around...|||Am a nurse. Bedside manner just fine. Most sick people dont want to talk anyway-just meet their needs, keep them comfortable and let them rest. We also do well in ORs, cath labs and other...|||Khys-thanks for the thread! Being one of the mature ISTPs in the crowd (seasoned seems a more accurate description as I can't claim mature most of the time) I have felt the same way about the...|||Only if you take out the options of being an ER or trauma nurse-or any high paced specialized life or death role... those are pretty darn ISTP entreched...|||Up until 7 months ago I was a VP in a hospital for a 9 year stint. I learned to be efficient and good at meeting outcomes and speaking to Drs and suits. I am a nurse by training with a masters in...|||Save and spend conservatively. Except when I want something expensive, then I save until I have enough and get it-rarely happens. I hate depending on another person to provide for me.|||Mostly I remove myself from the fray and expend energy all by myself (run, walk, drive) but usually it takes motion to dissipate my anger. I try very hard not to react verbally or physically in front...|||^ditto. Never underestimate the physical contact thing. Also timing is everything when it comes to working out relationship problems. Are there times when he is more open to hearing you than others?...|||Thanks jungify! Your response certainly solidifies my experience with this ENFJ. The funny thing is, when I did all I could to honestly convey my openness to his honest performance feedback, he still...|||^yep. When it comes to friendships, I tend to be very passive. I instinctively watch people. If someone shows interest in being my friend, over time (like 2 years or more) I will interact with them...|||Wow! Now that was an enlightening explanation, one that I had never heard expressed so well before. You have given me a lot to think about, enough that I am not sure what his reason would be in a...|||I got ya and certainly feel your pain! It sounds like you are making a healthy decision to leave your current job. The only consoling thought that I have about my former boss is, what goes around...|||ok, so its more of a self-preservation decision to not share his whole opinion? That it would reflect poorly on him instead of me? Did I catch that correctly? hmmmm. He had stated that he wasnt...|||Hello ENFJs!  Hoping that you all could give me some insight. I had a boss who typed as an ENFJ (and maybe an ENFP at times) He had a very difficult time giving me (and others) honest,...|||I am curious, how old is your boss? Has he been in this position long? I ask because I had a very similar experience with a former boss (who vascilated between ENFP and ENFJ) who had serious boundary...|||This describes well my experience with ENFPs alot better than I tried to describe it yesterday. Well said, Khys.|||Seems most of the folks around me are ENFPs. I do ok with them on an aquantance level but not any more. They do have some great qualities that I definately dont have, i.e.: socializing easily with...|||Dear ENFP and INFP, Yes, I completely get that neither of you want to actually be responsible for doing the dirty work of being The Bosses but guess what, you ARE the Bosses. You have...|||The Ns in my life (both extroverts and introverts) seem to forget the immense value of just being in someone's presence, just doing something together or going somewhere WITHOUT having to talk all...|||Catholic. I find it incredibly logical and profound-I needed to get through the stereotypes, misunderstandings and hypocracy surrounding it though. Once I understood the foundations of the faith...|||Hopefully I wont derail this conversation too much by adding my ISTP experience with an ENFP friend whom I really respected. He did the very same hot-cold act (without disappearing) to me. I guess...|||I have one other ISTP female friend that I connect with. But I wouldnt say that the connection is what other types might look for. Its more of a parrallel in-synch vibe that goes unspoken than an...|||The differences are glaringly obvious in almost every interaction with her. Thanks for the reminder to be gentle...Its amazing how much energy is sucked into my being conscious of reigning myself in...|||Gotcha! Thanks again. You've given me a lot to process. I appreciate it!'