'I also think he's 8w7 So/Sp which is exactly what I think my type is. But I don't think I have that much narcissism in me (at least consciously.) This is interesting because I keep asking myself:...|||Hey! good seeing you on here. Good to be back. I'm running into real life situations where I need to brush up on my Enneagram knowledge. Also want to learn more about the instincts which I didn't...|||Right, almost like he wants people to think he's sexual but he's not really sexual.  I read that in college, he spent most of his free time working, not chasing women. A long time friend said he...|||interesting, I often feel if the individual is solid or not after meeting him. The solid ones can be tough but I always feel at ease with them. This solidity is almost physical, it's more than...|||First of all, I never say anything personally. I like TS, that's why I'm going out of my way to be sincere and call him out when I think he's being slick, intellectually slick. I've seen this trend...|||hey y'all, first of all I like to think we are all here in the pursuit of knowledge. So I would like to be as objective as possible about what I observe:  Remember back when.. in the dark age of...|||??? I still don't know where you get your stuff but OK, we're just gonna part here :)|||well I don't really subscribe to the dominant-wing theory. I believe I'm influenced by both wings. But if I had to pick, it'd have to be 7 because the charlatan attributes are strong in me :) But...|||lol, when I struck a kid, I always felt like I wasn't responsible because it felt like something else was doing the striking and I was watching it, like I blanked out during the process. It's a very...|||I'm going in and out of paradigms as I often turn off my Enneagram mode when talkng real life situations but we are in an Enneagram forum so I should have clarified :)  The counter thing that...|||Inconsistent with his personality, not his Ennea-Type. I don't know what it is yet :) You know my friend better than I do? :)  From an outside observer, if someone is gluttonous about everything...|||good stuff. I see this in a friend of mine who I think is a 7: he is gluttonous about everything in his life except for his diet. He's the strictest dieter I know. It seems so inconsistent with his...|||yeah, could be that I consider it as a mental model therefore turn it off in real life scenarios.|||Absolutely, every person was born with a hole in their heart, a void in their soul that cannot be filled by the ordinary . Because the soul knows where it came from. The finite always yearns to be...|||y'all catch me at a lazy time in my life :) Wish it was 2 years ago when I was in my Enneagram mode  I guess I won't be able to do your post justice...  Speaking of justice... let me do this...|||Interesting that a Five considers things leaving him a loss of power, like it's a zero-sum world: anything gained from some where has to be lost from some where because there is no source that the...|||shape the world.|||just to add on to the notion that mistypes can be beneficial. Since the Enneagram is just a mental construct and not reality, there is no mis anything. Mis reinforces the dichotomy of right and...|||hey, I resent that.|||ok|||I'd argue that it is still very hard to have any values not influenced by or derived from one's compulsions. Within each of us, there are values more important than other values. My biggest, most...|||OK, just jotting this down before the idea escapes my head :)  The mixing, blending of compulsions and values, I believe can be very fluid. Maitri, as learned from Naranjo does mention how Eight's...|||OK, I meant you as in we, all of us. What I feel is the compulsions vs values thing is more fluid and not as clear cut as we think.  When you/we say what our values are, they are the values of...|||Ok, just to muddle the water... don't your values come from your super ego? May be it's just the battle between the id, ego and superego? :)  Back to Enneagram land, we have the personality vs...|||the 142857 line is organic to the Enneagram even before it was applied to the Enneagram of Personalities (1/7=0.142857142857...) so I think as long as we take the leap of faith to be here, we should...|||It is the best analogy that I can use to relate the concept to popular culture, as it is in the mind of most people. We don't know the real intention of the writer, but I do know there have been a...|||It is more freedom. Neo's extra ordinary powers only works when he's inside the Matrix but that only happens AFTER he realizes there's a Matrix. The people who took the blue pills just carry on their...|||Space and time are part of the universe. You cannot run away from the universe, it's everywhere. There's also no chaos out there, it's all order but the rules are far beyond your comprehension for...|||Yep, and this not some ideological stance, it is reality when you really look at it. The reason it is opposed is because it offends the equality crowd. They cannot accept that all roles are unequal...|||Self observation! some times you catch it later, some times during or even before the act. That means you see things that your personality usually doesn't allow you to see. The more this happens the...|||OK, forgot to touch on the connection of one to the universe:  If we lived in a 2 dimensional world, that is we can not see anything in the 3rd dimension: we can only see length and width on the...|||well, a little more general than that. I'm talking about the realization that the universe is not 100% mechanical, at least not mechanical in the way we expect.   It's not like a vending machine:...|||It's not a question of should. You have been connected to the universe whether you like it or not. It's perfectly fine to believe what one believes. Some things are meant to be known by some and not...|||Almaas has his whole school of Diamond Approach thing. Facets of Unity is the intersection of the Enneagram and that, all from Eastern philosophies. Facets of Unity is a great alternate perspective...|||absolutely.|||Before anyone too quick to doubt Naranjo, he's spent years and years counseling and studying people before and after he was introduced to the Enneagram. His knowledge base of actual cases is HUGE....|||Maitri has some unique insights that neither Almaas nor Naranjo have. Both of those are up in the clouds somewhere and she is more down to earth. She has the sensibilities of a normal person. She...|||Awesome. I have Beelzebub's Tales, In Search of the Miraculous and the Fourth Way and a bunch of others by his students.  In Search of the Miraculous and the Fourth Way are the more readable of the...|||Good stuff. I did a bit of research into temperaments & physical typologies. Fascinating stuff. Too bad they were discontinued.|||strangely, this reminds me of my post few years back, lol http://personalitycafe.com/type-8-forum-challenger/75832-what-type-eight-really-about-3.html#post1867193  Type 9 is at the top of the...|||I believe R&H only talk about the Harmonic Groups in Wisdom of the Enneagram. I didn't see any mentions of them in Personality Types. Personality Types is the predecessor of Wisdom of the Enneagram....|||And where did you get this? from experience? from R&H? How do you go from 8's fixation and passion to reactive harmonic style? Where is the link connecting the harmonic groups to the Enneagram...|||Edit: just to clarify, I wasn't talking about the Head/Heart/Gut triads, those are organic to the Enneagram. It's the other two added on layers by R&H.   For example: new Enneagram guy: I'm a...|||OK, just a quick comment... in Wisdom of the Enneagram... R&H make things way too convinient.. they have a bunch of triads that they lay over the 9 types without explaining how or why. It's like...|||Any kind of online test is inaccurate. Test questions are finite points used to extrapolate an entire curve/line that has an infinite number of points. Esp. the multiple choice questions that have...|||This is what Maitri also said about 2 in the same book:    From my limited understanding of superego, it's the should part of your psyche. There are a lot of should's there quoted above.  ...|||Awesome... let's talk about what you find out.. :)|||Yes, you would, being a Devil's Advocate (Palmer) lol, J/K  Both the Enneagram and Jung's work have roots in spirituality and mysticism. Read any of the Fourth Way book, better yet, read Jung's...|||The Enneagram and MBTI are just as magical thinking as astrology. But we're here aren't we? :)     I'm intrigued...which book are you talking about? Have you read Zannos's book?|||I think so too. Zannos and even Collin did not mention any Libra or  Taurus in their books as far as I can recall. I think they're pointing  to something more fundamental. I did not mention them...'