'I meant that you are trying to tell us to type Einstein as ILI in a socionics forum because Tellionics says Einstein is ILI.  They are different branches from the same trunk, and no the link is not...|||Yes, the idea that INxJs and ENxPs will be more intuitive than both INxPs and ENxJs is kind of dumb in general.  Even the function model (which I happen to not like) was set up by Myers so that...|||Ah I found it quickly anyway, didn't end up typing too many of the characters.  I find it interesting how we have the ENFJ and ESFP flipped, but I don't remember either character particularly well. ...|||My memory of it is pretty bad, I personally just remember being between both IxTJ types for him and never really questioning the rest (except perhaps E) because it seemed pretty obvious.  I can tell...|||He's not true to Jung, but being true to Jung in function descriptions for these 4-function MBTI stacks is not a desirable thing, because in order for the stacks to describe people who relate to the...|||So you’re openly rejecting socionics functions, yet still trying to tell us how to type people in socionics?  What is the endgame here?  You keep bringing up things that have nothing to do with...|||The only way you really get that as a defining trait is if you equate ILI to INTJ (which it isn't), and then start describing MBTI J stuff or definitions of Ni outside of socionics.  Everyone goes...|||Mr. Castelo I thought Toshio Ozaki was a clear-cut TJ type, what gives you INTP?|||And now you bumped a 9 month old thread :crazy:|||I don't like typing by quotes but...  Sounds like something anyone could say. What does it have to do with Ni specifically?   Seems pro-perception, as in don't try too hard for specific things...|||Do you even read what you write before you click the post button?  Is some deep visionary concept getting in the way of processing reality?  Yep, disconnected ideas, not the same level of depth...|||Just to add on, the actual lone voices in the wilderness don't market themselves as such.  They actually are the real deal, and that is why they remain lone.  Manson is an image projector, a...|||The point is not that this kind of person doesn't rely on their internal vision, but rather that such a thing is not by any means exclusive to them.  As for MM, I don't see a strong, stable...|||All I see here is mystifying Ni with this vision concept as if it's some sort of third eye that other people just could never possess.  2 eyes and Ni:...|||What does Ni user even mean to you here?  And what about MM makes him one?  What is this supposed to infer about their MBTI type, that they can't be xNTP?  This is a fallacious mess.  You don't...|||Einstein wasn't a Ti first type (LxI), but you can't just make up stuff about the scientific method and leave Ti out of it.  In fact, prioritizing such a method is a sign of a T-dominant type.|||Shouldn't extroverted feeling should actually accept objective (as in of the masses Feeling) more as-is, while extroverted perception is the kind of function that would seek to manipulate it?  From...|||Ne|||I think as a brute generalization, 6's are more about taking direct actions to feel secure while 5's feel like understanding the core truth behind something holds personal value in itself.  Thus, 6's...|||If you followed Myers's convoluted logic for putting Ni on top for INxJs, you probably wouldn't be saying they are more dominant (conventional sense) in intuition than INxPs.  You should do PR...|||Your entire post reads like please type me as a 9, to the point where I question if you were writing it with descriptions of Nines in mind.  However, regardless of that aspect I don't know how I...|||Probably 1, maybe 6, definitely not 5 or 8.  People who believe 2 are smoking something really strong.|||To be quite honest I don't know why you are even considering 9.  Even the things you describe for 9 seem more 5 than 9, especially with how 9's seek comforting thoughts while you seem to prioritize...|||Not sure what you are arguing against.  Nobody is saying Einstein is INTJ, because this is a socionics forum not an MBTI one.  INTj/LII is more resolute than INTp/ILI and especially ENTp/ILE.|||It's really, really hard to imagine Einstein as leading with a Thinking function.  He seems very much like an intuition-leading scientist, which would mean ILx most likely.  He wasn't nearly as...|||Stevester  aus2020 as STJs what do you think of the possibility of her being ESTJ?  It's the only non-ESFJ type that I could buy.  She seems to have this sort of way of not really looking at people...|||What is cognitive function theory anyway?  What is the hypothesis and how do we go about testing it?  Why should we be using it to give people MBTI types?  I don't have anything against people...|||Why not ISFJ?  He didn't seem to be laid back like I would expect of a IxFP, and his focus also seemed to be more in the direction of sensing than intuition.  ISFx types can be quite poetic, often...|||Only Ni-Doms are capable of having a vision, so it makes sense.|||Yeah, Light is extremely J in every sense, it's just that those qualities lead him to be a J-dom in socionics.  Even if you type him as Te first which I disagree with in that interpretation.  He's...|||L can't really be LII in my opinion because he's too sporadic with his attention and synchronizes with an internal flow (Pi) rather than an internal structure (Ti).  He only takes on cases that he...|||Wisteria, I'm afraid you misread what I said.  I said Light was ISTj (LSI), and even listed out the functions Ti and Se in his ego block.  Lelouch probably INTp (ILI) which would be Ni and Te ego...|||Someone mentioned the possibility of ESFJ to me.  While I disagree with that (I think he's ESTJ) I still sorta see where they are coming from.  He's not really guided by logic much at all.  He's...|||Dracobane I am pretty sure that his main gripe against Misa was her complete lack of meticulousness. She was simply not putting her due diligence and effort into this task of utmost importance. ...|||Dracobane   Alassea Telrunyaa In terms of functions, Light has to be a judging dominant.  What else makes sense?  It's his decisive black-white judgment of morality alongside being handed god powers...|||It seems hard to make a character more ESTJ than Katsuki yet neither of you typed him as such?|||The problem with that is he doesn't seem to be constantly trying to achieve any particular goal, as shown by his lazy, somewhat complacent behavior.  I think he has a very low desire to control,...|||Huh, so he looks at situations and predicts outcomes so he's INTJ, despite all the obvious P traits about him?  Yes even though he is a perceiver...  Wow he tried something which involved getting...|||No, he is probably more ISTP though.  No type (INTJ included) implies a magical power of knowing what will happen.  He's mainly aimless and unfocused living day-to-day, and that is how he prefers...|||Motoko's 1995 movie character is ISTP, but is very intuitive in SAC, probably due to Puppetmaster (INTx).  She's like the improvisational brains of the crew, entertaining a bunch of theories (a...|||What else would she be?  INTJ?  I don't see it.  She seems pretty clearly INTP to me.|||Episode 18 of LWA update: Constanze (the inventor that I said was xNTP) is actually INTJ which is not clear at all until this episode.  Croix is seeming more like she can be introverted herself,...|||Good point.  I don't think she's N because she's clumsy though.  It's more like she is always looking at impossible stuff and trying to make it happen in a really idealistic sort of mindset.  I think...|||Xcopy I think your argument against INTJ is more like an argument against him being N, without much else.  And of course I'd agree with you there, as I think he is ISTJ.  Sensing can lead one to be...|||I am fairly certain that Madison is INTP and Jefferson is INTJ.  Jefferson seemed ridiculously more conscientious, as would be expected of a judger.  As someone already mentioned here, the intense,...|||...because he's not F and not P.  As a child sure but that's not the person he became.  Can we talk about it here though? ...|||To those suggesting to look at functions rather than the test: why?  Is the implied binary factor of Ti-Fe-ishness vs. Fi-Te-ishness more robust, and therefore more useful, than letters, in the face...|||We're using different systems here.  Jung came up with the 8 types (extraverted thinking type, etc), and the 4 functions (T, F, N, and S), which acted as most of the foundation of MBTI.  I...|||There was a study that gave people function orders and 1 in over 500 actually matched an ordering that fit one of the typical function stacks, which is actually 5 times rarer than if one just...|||He's not ISTJ because he lives in the past.  He's ISTJ because he's I, S, T, and J.  Although he is close perhaps to as ESI (Fi+Se) in Socionics although LSI (Ti+Se) still is quite a better fit,...'