'Vigilant>Idiosyncratic>Aggressive>Sensitive>Adventurous=Conscientious|||Viggo and Iosef Tarasov from John Wick seem like 8 and 6, respectively.|||Si is an ingrained mental habit, instinct is instinct. Neither is per se real, just comvenient categories for us to lump stuff into.|||ITT: Not having Te or Se and a cognitive makeup built to make elaborate, complicated mental systems is totally congruent with a direct no-nonsense simplifying style of reasoning and conduct.  ITT:...|||daleks_exterminate getting mistyped sounds fun. Gimme one!|||Symmetry is annoying. People keep stuffing any and every enneagram-related idea they get into clean triads and it gets on my nerves :angry:|||.|||Most people look at types as types do things - it's why you see threads like what's the most precocious type / what type is most XYZ etc. everywhere. 5 is pretty much I think about stuff,...|||Give people an option that sounds like sheeple and one that doesn't and, well. You get 45x INJ soc-lasts.    If I got a coin every time someone tried to defend the skewed numbers with but...|||It's not, just a good idea to listen to people who have a case, whether you're sure of yours or not. Worst case, you have something to think about, otherwise you learn something about yourself or...|||1 is more about imposition - IFP is more often depicted as bringibg the inner life to the outer world: expressing that which is within, while 1 is less about turning a seen thing into an unseen thing...|||Commend for doing tve work, but the work is on forum stats which I firmly consider to be useless or worse.|||I have a thought in my head, therefore I am a 5.|||On one hand I want to commend this, on another, it's forum stats... D:|||I've always had trouble seeing actual people in most of her descriptions. Just something about the wording and the ideas doesn't click. They feel more like hey, here's an idea and then riffing on...|||Most new Enneagram books are simple introductions to the subject, not much else, so...|||You can look at some old topics and compare people's As a # statements against what shows in the sidebar. It's funny stuff.|||I specifically didn't discuss any typings for a reason, just wanted to underline that I don't dislike you or most anyone else due to typing-related squabbles.|||Sounds familiar :P    This is spot on. Perhaps the most frustrating conceit of many typology forums is that they deal, presumably, with personality, yet have a membership that insists that...|||I've usually seen that reaction from image types, yeah.|||Most Si dominants I've seen online are fairly sure they don't lead with Si. ^^ Not saying I have a definite Si dom read but I'd definitely keep my mind open to that possibility.    853, maaaaybe...|||The questionnaires doen't really ring INTJ to me at all. ISFJ could work, INFP I'm skeptical of. ENFP or ISTJ might work as well. Si/Ne axis seems clear overall.|||Any reasons why?|||1: Figure 4: Animal 5: enneathusiast|||That's what this forum does to people. I visit mostly out of boredom myself, genuine learning opportunities are vanishingly rare nowadays, as are serious students (to use the term loosely). Most I...|||He's retired, got tired of the posers and anyone can be aaannyyything mentality.|||I explicitly said that the two are different. Gut type self-forgetting, as I see it, means an underlying issue of thinking their presence has little worth and develop strategies to deal with it, such...|||Did someone say shots fired?  Test-ENTP 8 works. Test T being a measure of disagreeableness.  Ne-Ti-Fe may be less complicated than Ti-Ne-Si, but has little in the way of blunt forthrightness...|||That is raw materials typing, though, isn't it? I'm already Fe, if I add another pinch of friendly other orientedness I'll be way too super friendly other oriented. It's really easy to think like...|||The Enneagram stands alone, yes. The whole reason Jungian typology, MBTI testing, Big Five and the Enneagram can correlate is because each one stands alone. Each system, from the get-go, is built to...|||Doesn't seem soc last (according to the understanding of the instincts I use, some of which was outlined in the recent thread I posted), doesn't have the suffocating claustrophobia you'd often get...|||I think the biggest mistake people make when looking at collages is the usual many do when doing typology: They look at the what instead of the how. The things that were consciously chosen instead of...|||This ten times over. People have an innate character, we have grown/conditioned responses, we have adopted ideals. Most of what we'll be dealing with in studying personality, pretty much regardless...|||Way Farer. The main thing that comes to mind is studious appropriateness. I would look into the top right corner (9, 1, 2). This is not Eightish in the least.|||Yea. The 8 description is another annoyance. Hers is one of the justice justice justice ones which just doesn't feel right - Naranjo, R&H, Condon all play moreso the angle of needing to prevail over...|||The authors I find to be most on point are Riso & Hudson (moreso in Wisdom than on Personality Types - a part of it is just writing style) and Naranjo on Character & Neurosis. Both books just seem to...|||These are excellent additions - I don't think the ones I posted are wrong, per se, but these nail down the tone and some extra content really well.     The need to have something to give to...|||sx/so is unlikely - it has a flippant, playful, ungrounded air to it in visual expression, and the people themselves do feel kind of ungrounded or unable to settle down and take root.  soc-last...|||I wonder why the retort to paying attention to the literature seems to always be the so lets take the literature as perfect gospel strawman. That shitty thing needs to die. Yesterday.|||Many. Type is not so much about what, as much as how.  Ones want to improve themselves so as to be beyond reproach. Threes want to improve themselves so they can accomplish more and show to the...|||Even if you don't use personal experiences as examples, a mistaken self-typing will still bleed into a misunderstanding of at least two types - your own and the one you're mistyped as.  It's why...|||Immolate  Fiveish influences, but not Five as a core type. I'd say attachment triad core, 2 fix if not 3 core, 5 or 6 for head. Instincts likely sx last, tough to suss out if sp or soc first. Do...|||That's a very unique set of color choices.|||Nope, it's the tone, the vibe of it. An amused Five is amused differently than an Eight or Seven.  This all of course only to a point. We're all human, typology is less putting people into a...|||9 isn't quite as much about peace as it is about not being bothered. One good nickname for the type could be stubborn unwillingness.|||My favourite method is to look for Tom Confon's typings and look for long 1-on-1 interviews with the person on youtube. Charlie Rose's show has been a goldmine thus far.|||Eights can be really pathetic. Everyone can.|||But it is helpful. The thing is, you definitely can confuse 7 and 8 - they're neighbors and motivations and text descriptions can be hard to parse out. That said, it is confusion between 7w8 and 8w7...|||So you're torn between a friendly, amiable and quite fretful type and the most un-fretful type in the system?|||Not intentionally, no. But simply through lacking self-awareness and identifying with things you like and value - what drives us on an unconscious level is not at all always the same as what we value...'