'Exactly. There are also many ways in which sevens and fours are different, so if people are confused about their type, they should think about that, too. I have a dear friend who is a four who cannot...|||You're a seven, yes? (According to your profile..) I think fours and sevens have a ton in common, personally, and I know several who could very easily mistype as the other. The thing about them both...|||Not all that useful. I don't think many enneagram tests are. The RHETI has given me different results almost every time. You really just have to read about it and talk it out with people. Watch...|||Finding this vid series by carolyn zakowski really useful and interesting. There's a new vid up about the dynamic between four and nine and how they can spin out and go to a bad place with each...|||You basically just described my experience, especially with the irrational productivity streak. I've been trying for many years to create a balance with this...to be able to be productive is...|||Thank you for sharing your experience.   When you say that Se is a natural servant to Ni, can you say more about what exactly you mean? Like, can you think of any concrete or everyday examples of...|||Hi, all.   What is your experience with going into Extraverted Sensing?   I am the epitome of the INFJ who gets out of touch with my body, forgets to eat and drink, forgets to take care of...|||Such an interesting question.   1-Moralist 2-Mother archetype 3-Marketer  4-Tortured Romantic 5-Mad Scientist 6-Skeptic/Cynic 7-Manic Depressive 8-Father Archetype|||Ok. Yes. Let's move on. Let me ask it yet another way!   Does anybody know any fives who are:   ENTJ ENFJ ENTP ENFP ESTJ ESFJ|||Of course, any MBTI type is going to have some function that is extroverted according to cognitive function theory. And yes, I get what extroversion versus introversion means.  Let me clarify my...|||Do you know a type 5 extrovert? Are you one? I'm curious. I've met type 5s who are sociable and have lots of friends, but none that are true extroverts. Thoughts?|||Yeah, that's my initial reaction, too... they're so poorly defined and I can't understand the relationship to the shape of the Enneagram (though maybe I'm missing something.) Also, I don't have a...|||lol!  (edit: erm, sorry I posted this twice by accident. Computer going crazy over here.)|||lol!|||Yeah... I guess I'm confused because the 12 types are so vaguely defined and I don't understand why the person is using planet names. It seems like this theorist is just asking for their ideas to...|||I came across some information about a person who is writing about and making videos about the 12 type Enneagram. I have been studying the Enneagram for a long time and have never heard of such a...|||My friend and I call this Nine Rage. It's very common for people who are conflict avoidant to freak out when they're not feeling good. Pressure cooker syndrome. You don't need tritype theory. Nines...|||No. It's not necessary and doesn't have a base in the original texts. Helen Faurve wrote about it based on some short studies then registered it as a copyright trademark. If you know anything about...|||I can promise you that writing isn't based on whether or not someone is a thinker or feeler. Like, not even a little bit. I'm not trying to be snarky I was just really surprised to see that...|||Yes, I would save him. Why is killing him/letting him die any of my business? Why should I be the one to get to decide whether he lives? Why am I so special that I know letting him die is a good...|||Oh--sorry for the typos in my above post. I was on my smart phone. Regarding John's MBTI: ENFP is really interesting. I'm still trying to figure out their MBTI types.   I suppose I don't know...|||Ok we all know those Ringo songs would never have been what they were without him...I think that's the point. Even the beatles knew it, that's why they gave him the songs. Plus those were his drum...|||So this is a really thorough video commentary on the Beatles' Enneagram types and weirdly funny. Thought I'd share.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yspzX0DP_CY  The verdict according to this...|||I feel you on so much of this. I think it's so great to just talk about it. I really think that a lot of this emotional sponge stuff comes out of trauma and therefore has to be healed in very...|||I think all of those three options you mentioned make a lot of sense. Particularly, he seems to think his way of thinking about things is objective and that they're the only right way...this often...|||Thank you for the link to the article. I can see a lot of what you're saying. What I got from the vid was that with empathy there is still a sense of getting close and even a tiny melding of the...|||I mean, you make some good points, but he would be fine with what I'm saying here and he knows all of it... we've talked about it all before. I understand why somebody else or a stranger might not...|||Hm...you're probably right. It does seem like it can be anything...but maybe it's the thoughts and logic...and that can apply to a lot of things. He doesn't tend to get too opinionated on values and...|||So interesting... I don't tend to think of him as the type of guy who would be afraid/against weakness because he is artsy and does not want to be seen as a typical guy guy. And I should say, he...|||You've just described him perfectly!|||(edit: response to elight)  Thank you. He is older. I've considered that he might be an ISTJ but he relates to INTJ more...he has a lot of S-ness (a lot of attentiveness to space, really great at...|||Thank you, this is smart advice. If I'm being honest I am probably almost as stubborn as him though I don't think I share his trait of being so randomly reactive and opinionated. Like it makes a lot...|||Not at all. I'm still trying to learn about the MBTI.   What's the type most likely to be cynical?|||Hi, INTJs! I'm pretty positive my partner is an INTJ. I love him so. We are soul mates. There are some things I don't understand about him. He is very, very intelligent and very loyal and deep. When...|||Interesting...thank you. I recently had a frustrating argument with a friend who is an ENTP and I think everything you're all mentioning here basically summed up what happened.|||susugam do you know what your enneagram type is? You might be a 9...|||What do you relate to, TheProphetLaLa? And does it relate to your type at all? I'm interested in this phenomenon...|||What MBTI is the person? She says she's a four but doesn't exactly say an MBTI type.|||Agreed. PTSD is really related to a lot of tendencies that can trickle down through personality type. Also think it's important to talk about how there are types who might not realize they are doing...|||Interesting video I just found about being an emotional sponge which a few different types, especially INFJ, might relate to. Also talks about Enneagram type 4 and 9. Thought of some of you who've...|||A couple of people think I'm an ENFP. I can see why they might think that if they've seen me in an unhealthy stage of my life. But it always surprises me when people think I'm an extravert; I think...|||This is what I mean.  The objective principle doesn't go away...this is how I am, too. This seems different from INFP...as I understand it, INFP would be more likely to actually validate the other...|||UnicornRainbowLove: Exactly. If that was the case, I would assume you meant something different or very specific by justice and I'd try to figure that out if you seemed serious. Are you an...|||I'm confused about why this matters. If people want to think they're a type and that helps them grow as a person, how is that harming other people? Built into the stated MBTI ethics is an...|||Thanks for helping me understand this. I often find myself thinking--and actually saying--not everybody is entitled to their opinion. By which I mean, opinions should be substantiated with facts or...|||Interesting example! See, to me, the justice thing just isn't true, end of story. It seems absurdly false to me (obviously you were looking for an extreme example and don't actually believe that,...|||This is what I was trying to get at--thank you. There's this thing about objectivity and subjectivity that I'm trying to figure out with INFJ/Ps. It seems like they both can have really strong morals...|||Okay, so all these types are really different. If you learn more about it you will see that you can't really mistake yourself for a four if you're a seven, and vice versa. Fours are the deep-sea...|||Thank you for these super interesting answers, everyone. Can someone explain to me why it is that INFJs would be more emotionally expressive in terms of body language, etc., than INFPs? Does that...|||Fascinating food for thought, particularly re: opinions vs. truths. Thank you.'