'That's a pretty good summary. Your write-up for sensing is spot on. On feeling, I'd say feelers are not necessarily more emotional (since thinkers can have terrible emotional outbursts), but rather...|||I'm at three confirmed ESFJs, and they're so ridiculously humble and mellow that idfk what people are on about. It's like if people on the internet dislike someone, they're immediately an ESFJ if...|||That's the most BS excuse for unmerited sass I've ever heard lol. It's an incredibly simple equation.    Ixim can you go more in-depth on those variables? Does 'a' have defining criteria in...|||Yass. There are many instances where I could link this post.|||TPs lmao  Cunning involves achieving one's goals. TJs, ENTJ #1.|||That is true, although I think it's somewhat more of an Fe+Ni thing.|||Elistra  Your first paragraph applies equally, if not moreso, to Ti. The difference is that the 'rigid rules' are construed in one by feelings and in the other by thought. I also think you...|||Okay. I thought you might be an INTP, since Ti and Fi are easily confused, but I don't think there's anywhere near enough evidence for that.  I've never heard anything like that about Fi... it does...|||u wot m8|||I had to read this over a couple time to understand properly. I'm not sure why my shitpost prompted this, but it's hella interesting.  You're saying the INTP's rampant nihilism/absurdism comes from...|||This thread has pulled a 180 and become an Fi circlejerk. In response, I redact my previous comments; Fi is shit. While we're at it, Fe is shit, too. Everyone is shit.|||Simpson17866  You're still putting far too much stock into a BS experimental self-report test.  To a degree, same with OP. In general, if you get different results on the same test in a small...|||Lol neither do I, I just like asking people shitty questions|||Ok, that's more or less what I thought. Attention to detail is sort of related to a sensing outlook, but both memory and knowledge have zilch to do with any cognitive functions. Sensing is...|||I can't cry on command or otherwise.|||ferroequinologist  Octavarium Also, isn't culture the sum of it's individuals? If there actually are more SJs, would that not create an SJ culture? Chicken v egg basically.|||I go to Fe types for practical relationship advice.  I go to Fi types when I really need some hardcore emotional support.   It's as though I can always exploit FJs for love, a quick easy fix,...|||When you say developed Si, what do you mean by it exactly?  I'm under the impression that you can't really develop specific function-attitudes like that... intuition necessarily represses...|||Because function tests are not empirically valid and don't work? They always give me a shit ton of Fi because I'm not, you know, a heartless godless no morals robot. On the contrary, Introverted...|||This is a hard pill to swallow, but it might well be the case... She sure likes me as a friend, that much is obvious. I've never been anything but hella kind to her, which I think impresses her in a...|||This is gonna be a big one. I'm sorry.  I met an ISFP girl last summer, and although I hate to use the term, it started as something of a fling. Hitting it off quickly, getting drunk with our...|||:shocked:... :unsure:... :proud:(:frustrating:)|||I feel my 9 point much, much stronger than my obligatory INTP 5 point, but I've read opinions that stated that as an impossibility. I'm sure anyone typing me would initially peg me as an IFP or some...|||Someone's gotta bring duality to these MBTI heathens once and for all. People believing they shouldn't get along with their four-letter opposite feels like such a waste.  IME ISTJxENFP is highly...|||Yes, I do mean more behavioural than rationality/irrationality. This is presented metaphorically in the terms themselves; judging and perceiving are verbs while rational and irrational are...|||Yes. It's in the posture, movement, speech, styles of dress, and a little in the eyes and smile.  Socionics - the16types.info - Visual Type Identification  EDIT: disposition is similar to...|||I'm sorry but I disagree with you so much, your approach is the bane of my existence. I'm fully willing to debate you rite nao but I gotta go for a few hours.|||Yeah, J and P are frustratingly imperfect indicators. As a rule of thumb, J/P has more to do with behaviour and j/p has more to do with disposition and has a visual component.  Yes to the last...|||In MBTI the J/P designates whether someone's first extroverted function (how they interact with the world) is a judging or perceiving one. In Socionics the j/p designates the type's rationality or...|||INTP  What a great bunch. I still don't know any others IRL except maybe my absent-minded astrophysics teacher who never had his shit together. The subreddit is pretty disconnected from reality and...|||This is true, so instead of making assumptions I'm just gonna pULL SOME JUNG OUT OF MY ASS!! :shocked:    Actually this is still written by a Ti dom, but hey. It's something.|||Yes, because Ns are clouds of floating consciousness and do not possess physical bodies with which to do things like dress up.  Holmes - INTP BBC, ENTP RDJ. Ti-Ne is his whole deal. He sees all the...|||The ISTJ's dual is the ENFP, ENFJ is the confictor. If you read about duality on Socionics websites, it'll say ISTj->ENFj, but there's a j/p switch for introverts when translating MBTI to Socionics...|||I love this. ENTPs get too much of a good rep on the internet. I must tear them down :exterminate:|||Cause them ENFPs love dat SiTe (they do).  Maybe you found a dual! Or maybe they're an ESFJ and they're friends with everybody. Those types look the same on the surface.|||How do I know when an ESFJ is interested in me, or even flirting, or if they're just being an ESFJ? 17-8 yo. We didn't talk all that much (only when we happened to see each other) until I started...|||There's a monster discrepancy between this place and the real world. INTJs, INFJs, and INTPs collectively make up about 7-8% of the real world (supposedly) but easily make up 60+% of online MBTI...|||Accept your dual! aCCEPT IT! :angry:  Jokes. I wish I knew any ESTJs though, I have no reference point for that type and their stereotypes are jank af.|||Well, a type's shadow is all the functions that are not part of their stack (or ego-syntonic functions or what have you). Letters have nothing to do with it.  Usually when people refer to a shadow...|||I personally dislike these quotes, but... (from Micheal Pierce)  Te/Fi asks ‘what do you want, and how can we get it?’ Fe/Ti asks ‘what do you think, and how can we communicate that?’  They...|||I think that's totally false. The reason you have one introverted judging function and one extroverted judging function in your ego-syntonic stack is because they don't interfere with each other. One...|||A very Fi argument :wink:  My Ti rebuttal is that ITR isn't trying to sway people's judgement, but classify patterns. Socionics in general is not viewed as a heuristic tool the way MBTI is, it's...|||You basically just defined shadow pairs (or contrary relations in Socionics). Cool. I hope you guys are on good terms.|||As someone somewhere put it, nature has played a trick on us. Superficially, duality pairs are opposites. When people first meet their duality, they assume they have nothing in common, but it takes...|||I do think it's funny that a lot of MBTI people and blogs abhor duality pairs, while those socionists over there are just tearing their hair out at all the perceived soulmates people are missing.|||Every type CAN get along with every type is a valid argument, but between any 16 individuals of equal health, attraction, etc. where the ONLY variable is type, I think you'd get along best with...|||Based on people I know...  ISFJs - Cool ESFJs - Awesome INTPs - I am the only one. And clearly, I am the best. ENTPs - Rude. TBH I don't get the ENTP boner online. I guess they could be like,...|||I'm very in favour of Socionics duality as the inner you type. Regardless of any conversion problems, functionally, it makes sense.  I think they have a ton of potential provided both people are...'