'I think it's difficult to derive something from your examples to answer this question you posted.  Reason being, I think this isn't about going with others' decision, but that it is about making...|||I've read the descriptions, but I'm still fairly confused, since there are other things that come into play. If w1 is about the right thing to do, what would w3 be about?    I think this is...|||I saw your thread yesterday and have been thinking whether to respond, since I don't know any type 2 INTJs but I do have a type 2 ISTJ parent and an ISFP friend. While I'm not type 2, I'm core fix 4...|||People are always looking for a way to organize information, and that includes information on groups of people. Regardless if we're N or S or TUVWXYZ, we automatically look for patterns. The reason...|||I think these are the reasons for that:  - ISTJs don't question the point of the thread unless the thread begins with a dubious premise. / INTJs either ponder the point of the thread, or the point...|||Taking a shot at NFs and NTs:  xNFJs - Personally want to investigate how people see and what they think of strippers, so they try to be one, understand what it's like to be strippers, then become...|||It's a cycle under a different name or context.  First, people subscribe to the stereotype (since top Google searches are the first sources of reference.) Next, they find a community to find...|||Reminds me of the motto, The person is not the problem, the problem is the problem.  It makes a lot of sense to me - if every action is an evaluation of a person's character (e.g. you forgot the...|||Very much agree, that typology can have positive/negative effects depending on which hands it lands into.  Scenario A: I introduced MBTI to a friend, who was repeating a self-sabotaging pattern...|||Jumping to conclusions. There's a lot of it around here recently.|||Does that mean both of you are not officially together? It doesn't sound mutual to me at all if you are in love with him while he thinks you two are a wannabe couple. It seems that your account...|||Their sense of humor.  After some theorizing, my ISTJ friend is convinced that my puppy is a dangerous being from outer space. As such, she has warned me to get an armor from eBay, but when I said...|||Being unable to identify momentarily would be more accurate than misreading. I know I'm feeling something, but what it is and where it's come from might be unclear.  I do not think of it as an...|||I was playing this online game and in a squad of random people. There were four of us. Two left the dungeon for a while for some troublesome thing that was unnecessary and a waste of time, and so I,...|||You haven't. I know I have a problem of not conveying things very well, and I tend to realize that only after someone has pointed things out.  I am not sure how to explain this reactivity....|||Thanks all, that was clear.    marzipan01 Although your comment that reactive ennea-types cannot control their reactivity is directed to SOM, I thought I'd share what I think. As a 4, I pick up...|||Interesting thread.   TBH I am confused at the definition of reactive of reactive triad in this thread. From what I understand, this reactivity is more about noticing something and wanting to...|||choccrunchie  Are you currently under any form of stress? That can make finding your type harder.|||I don't know how much help I can be but I'll give my personal account on this disconnect I used to and sometimes still do experience.  As a child, I was emotionally expressive and quite intense....|||I could barely read anything in the middle of the entire thread, so I've skipped it. Apologies for anything that may have been repeated.   I don't know how off the track I am, but the Fi-doms I...|||mizzcasual  Did you notice how the ISTJs in here have been tactful to you? It's likely a similar thing with your friend, except the situation is more delicate because he's been a friend of yours. ...|||Ugh.  It's bad enough when a friend with a loose mouth randomly bitched to me about a stranger in detail, especially when I know she often doesn't get her facts right, and even worse when she had...|||I think Goku is an ISTP. As mentioned, he lives in the moment and doesn't worry so much about the future. The thing that stands out to me though is that most of his thinking is done internally and...|||I know I've been there. Knowing is a start.    Enneagram certainly helped me understand the flaws I have in ways MBTI couldn't. It was ironic that I didn't know I, as type 6w5, came across as...|||I think you might be an xNFJ, but I'm not really sure. I'm supposing you're new to type, so hopefully the rest of my post doesn't look confusing.  You seem to use a lot of Fe (extraverted feeling)...|||The lack of paragraphing, not the content, made it a tad bit confusing to read for me. The long post looks like a direct translation of inner thoughts though, so if it is, it looks similar to my...|||Colleague had a farewell dinner. During idle chat afterward, I started reading Dilbert comics on my ISTP sister's phone.  I don't recall which particular comic, but an original message was...|||I don't really understand your example. I'd say that the cue is Te, not Ni. I don't play snooker either, but I'll attempt to relate to your example.  Ni does care about the directions of where the...|||I don't notice the obvious enough apparently. It amazes and appalls myself sometimes. It's like looking at the full picture and having your eyes go everywhere and eventually spiral down to the main...|||Oh my god. This is the first time I'm seeing this thread, somehow. It's so much a better read than most threads around in this sub forum! Now I can't figure out why I didn't see this earlier...|||Observations of myself: The repeated use of metaphors and analogies, asking several questions and having ambiguous speech patterns. Saying never mind/forget it a lot and choosing a course of action...|||Reading this thread.  The massive amount of misreading is disturbing.|||This!  I've always felt that introspection makes a lot more sense to me. For a long time, friends and family alike ask me to express my feelings, but I don't know how to - it tends to come out in...|||Sorry, I just had to edit this:    Why of all NTs did you have to choose this guy...ah well... Carry on!|||Your response to Napoleptic confused me for a while.  They were just saying what they think and feel in response to your open letter. The you they were referring to in their post is a general...|||Nothing's wrong with your approach. Something's wrong with your assumptions and the way you're looking at this. My guess of your assumptions based on what you wrote:  1. That we all have a lot of...|||Corrected for you.|||I find it funny that when lirulin says something to the effect of the above, she usually gets a response as below:|||This is a standpoint I find interesting to consider. But at this moment, I'm inclined to disagree with the notion that the F way is any more real than T; I find it far more abstract than T (this is...|||You phrased your title as Why the mind games. Why do you not instead phrase it as, Is this INTJ playing mind games with me? It makes a whole lot of difference to perception. Are you just grabbing...|||Yeah, precisely. There was a period of time that I was reading up on the subject of emotional blackmail and manipulation. I wanted to understand why people engaged in it - is it necessarily malicious...|||A lot of things to address, but I'm having some problems synthesizing everything into proper words, so I might leave out things in the midst.    I'm unsure how to respond to this (the part in...|||A few months ago, both before and after I joined the forum, I read the threads. I learnt a lot from them, and I was prompted from then to figure out the entire mess that made up my history.  It's...|||I would attribute it to popular notions of confidence and arrogance, projection and comparisons.  Confidence is trust in one's ability, while arrogance is exaggerated opinion of oneself. Both I...|||Doesn't that mean the INTJ's gonna die in the end? I play a decent cleric though...|||teddy564339 Thanks for the explanation. It's very comprehensive.  I'm going to rearrange your post for a bit and edit for length. (Rest assured though, I'm not disregarding them.)    I think I...|||I don't know about other NTs, but I don't reject details. The issue for me is not about the amount of details, but what kind of details, and in what order of priority they're put into.  I need to...|||I see what you mean by the manipulation. I'm not sure what to explain here, except that while Riku seemed to change, I'd say that he realized the mistakes he was making, and he wanted to make up for...|||I can only work with what little you've provided, so consider my speculations, but don't treat them as facts or truth. Remember that every type faces esteem/confidence issues.  - Being emotional...|||My confession:  When I hurt, I want to be hugged by a child, who expects nothing in return.  When wronged and cornered, I feel I have no voice of my own and need someone else to be my voice, but...'