'Hmm, well, this might be a crappy example because it makes Fe look bad in a way, but maybe this will help...  Fe-dom can sometimes feel like pressure to me.  There was one time in college where I...|||Yikes.  Why did you decide you can't be together?  I was going to say that it's usually better to just cut bait and end it to avoid further hurt, but you said you have to work together, so... (maybe...|||I first wanted to say yes, but maybe they aren't as focused or aware of them as us.  But, then I thought about my zen ISTP husband, and I can't imagine he is feeling stuff as much as I am.  I guess...|||BranchMonkey - Wow.  Thank you.  That is some hard shit.  I honestly can't imagine what you have been through.  Another would have easily collapsed under all of that weight, I'm sure.  The fact that...|||Hello, I'm going to need a copy of that Video Project. :popcorn:|||neutralchaotic - What you say is really good.  Reading this is very helpful to me.    Deep thinkers - yeah, I hear ya.  I'm sure that why we like those INTPs so much because they Ti while we Fi,...|||And, you KNOW they love it.  They LOVE that they are seen as enigmatic.  Sigh.|||Umm, I just read this.  This is amazing, by the way.  I love the grey space of mental fluidity - lol.|||Nothing for me to add here.  Only to echo what  entheos said about looking into Ti is good.  I think Ti is easier to understand, and they are pretty similar.  And, heroindisguise   Very good,...|||Hmm... that's a good filter.  I will try to remember that.  I think subconsciously I do it.  Still, I think it's hard for me to know if it will hurt or not, so I err on the side of hurt and don't...|||neutralchaotic - Yeah, it is so hard for me too.  Do you think it is prideful not to share?  I wonder if I think about it that way if it might push me to share more..  (although, I guess I have...|||Ya, people like us the longer they know us, it seems.  As much as I want close friends, I really don't want to share, but I do want to be known.  I feel like there may have probably been...|||Lol.  WHY are we like this?!|||dlb - Hmm, you know, I think it depends on the stranger.  Do you mean actually sharing in-person?  Are these people you will never see again?  I think I get what you mean though.  I think it comes...|||neutralchaotic - So true what you said about the feelers rarely being straight with each other unless the other person asks.  I could have written what you said - tiptoeing is exactly how I feel...|||I think I'm pretty secretive in my real life.  I really don't share much of myself with others to the point where basically every single relationship I have (except my husband) is one-sided.  No one...|||I feel that is a very bold thing to say out loud, and I don't think I could.|||Thank you for asking!  He is supposedly going to look at a dreamland dumper on Friday.  I'm sorry if I made it sound like a bigger problem than it actually is in my initial post.  I probably was...|||So true!|||Ya, my ISTP says to just do it.  He is male - ISTP or not.  If he doesn't want to mess up the arrangement, he will be nice.|||As INFP with two close ISTPs, I would imagine we probably would be the ones to check-in first in that Ne sort of random way.  Although, my husband did just message me and said, oh, I forgot to tell...|||Ya, like entheos.  It just happens.  I automatically do it in my brain and can't stop myself.  If I am confused, I will make them take the test to give me a jumping off point.  It's one of my great...|||ISTP loves the gym, so sometimes I will drag myself.  Usually, what happens is I go once and get super into it (Let's go every day!!) -- but, when the time comes to go again, I have lost complete...|||Loved this.|||Thank you! Yes, my tritype is 692, so I am sure it attributes to my passive (ugh) behavior and way of being.  This is scary to me, but I will do my best to beat it into myself.|||Wow, after reading all who have posted before me, I have very little to add.  I totally suffer from social anxiety.  But, it's random.  I agree with    entheos - I usually Feel the fear and do...|||That's funny.  My ISTP husband and I just got in a tiff over whether or not she's a P.  He thinks she's a J.  He'll be glad to know that you agree.  Ha.  She could be, I guess - or, at least on the...|||Could you give me an example of a decline that wouldn't be lying?  My coworker asked me a week or so ago, Do you go by such and such road on your way home?  And, the suspicious part of me felt like...|||Vive - Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply.     Yes, definitely.  I think another part of the problem is, as I posted above, is that I really don't know what I think yet in full (or how I...|||Yes, I definitely struggle with self-confidence.  I try to be assertive with my boundaries, but it usually comes out awkward because I am so anxious.  It is also difficult for me to know what my...|||This is called ISTP dreamland.  Nothing has even happened yet.  He is looking up houses to buy and wants to tear down the whole thing and make it new: Kitchen, Bathroom, Landscaping, Basement. ...|||Owtoo - Ahhhh, what are you!  I want to know.  (Based on very little) you seem quieter and more introspective than me - traits I probably attribute to 4s and 5s.  I guess it always comes down to what...|||I only do this with those who are very close to me and/or I am 99.9% certain they would be interested in whatever it is.  It is a way of sharing my life with others.  I do not force it as I would...|||Haha.  I did suggest something similar to that actually.  I said... what if we were to budget things so I could stay in an apartment while he does the major work... while this may still be an option,...|||YES!  1.5 years!  THAT is the hell I am trying to avoid.  Lol.    No room renovations of OURS have been successfully completed.  As for proven ability, ISTP would probably say YES  - as he has...|||Ha, I love your uncertainty (humility)!  I don't really know either.  He loves researching and seeing the possibilities.  I think I am like that too, actually, but one of us has to lay the smack down...|||I'm phobic 6 and struggle with speaking the truth at times when I should.  I truly have a hard time discerning when to say the truth out loud or even what the actual truth is.    For example, a...|||I was afraid of that.    Yeah, we argued about this last night.  It's not the end of the world ever with us because we are both flexible Ps - seeking our own and stubborn in some ways, but still...|||I noticed that I have a lot of 9s and 2s in my life - most of which I have intentionally collected for myself.    I am curious about the other types, but I think that when it comes to my need for...|||I feel like they can always see straight through me when I pretend not to notice someone being a jerk to me.  Haha.  It is VERY uncomfortable.  ENTPs seem to detach so easily.|||I wonder about this as well.  I just posted on the INFP Forum about 6w7 (wondering if instead I might be 6w5).  I am pretty certain I am 6w7 like you, but I also seem to identify with 5 on its own...|||Too late.    And, it's not that he's incompetent by any means.  It's the speed at which things move...|||I can't get into them solo.  They often smell funky to me, and I get bored.  However, if I was with someone who liked them, I think I would do my very best to catch his or her wave of inspiration and...|||I preferred to commit ASAP regardless of any potential issues I might have identified prior to committing.  Something about a spoken commitment made me feel like there was an added coverage and space...|||I agree with this and with what others have said about Fi being interesting.  Trouble is, interesting can get to be exhausting if you aren't being transparent.  Is it that Fe just hides less than Fi?...|||https://www.typologycentral.com/forums/enneagram/83022-269-692-926-samaritan.html  This cites some differences.  Both the 469 and 269 tend to be passive. The 269 is more ingratiating. The 469 is...|||Thank you!  Yes, I am definitely 6.  Just not sure about wings.  But, as you said, there is a TON on core type that I still need to read.  Thank you for linking me.  That description is completely...|||Do ISTPs like renovations?  I think so, yes.  Why?  Being a P with a P, the whole idea of renovations freak me out.  My ISTP loves bopping around ideas, getting a good deal, showing me how he could...|||Lol.  I was going to write you an affirming note, but since you are better now I will respond like your ISTP and say nothing nice at all.|||My ISTP doesn't say thank you as much as I do.  I am QUEEN of thank you, and he replies, You don't have to thank me, twirler.  Every. single. time.  I think he only may say thank you now because I...'