'Oh man, I guess I gotta knock back that 100% on mbti. What do you type as? How far off was the mbti?  I'm not surprised the enneagram test was wrong. It's always wrong for me, in order I think it...|||I'm not sure if people already use this test: http://similarminds.com/embj.html , but I've found that it is almost 100% accurate on mbti, for me and other people that I've asked to take it.  I was...|||This was an interesting enough of a summary of 529 and 539 that I started to question my previous typing of myself. I checked out the 27 archetype descriptions post and the 162 tri types, and I have...|||So I'm not a trityper... I just have devoted more time into wings and instinctual stackings. I was wondering if people do instinctual stackings with tri types.  I relate to so/sx probably 594, but...|||Hmmm, maybe it is more of a so/sx thing to relate to heart types.|||So I'm a so/sx 5, and I have mistyped myself in the past as first a 2w3, then maybe a year later as a 4w3, then maybe another year til so/sx 5w4 made the most sense to me.   If one were to group by...|||I'd be interested to see an attempt of 108. I think the description would be very refined and more specific, although probably more subjective.   But maybe writing 12 descriptions for each type...|||I want a book with 108 descriptions 6 stackings x 2 wings x 9 types.    The way I look at it, if a book like that isn't out yet, then more need to be made until someone makes that one.  I figure...|||[/QUOTE]  Here, I didn't use the exact same language as before, but I was 100% properly descriptive.    Context is extremely important when reading someone's post. In this quote, I'm talking...|||Yeah, I was not necessarily advocating for the counters to be the same as types, just that the experience of one instinct can disagree with core values in those groupings.    Tyvm     I've...|||Has anyone considered that the instinct which causes the counter type actually says a lot about the motivation of each type?  SP Counters: 2, 3, 4 This one is already the heart group, but, instead...|||I guess I was trying to separate SX and SO, as SX is much more ok with non-conforming and isn't necessarily group oriented.  Maybe I can explain SO through myself. As a SO 5, I want to indulge in...|||Yeah you're kinda confirming what my point was. If you identify with feeler, you'll tend towards SX.  If you're a blank slate, then you'll take the instinct at face value and not impose other ideas.|||Cause I thought you'd be an F if you were initially leaning towards SX.|||That does strike me as absurd since the first doesn't imply the second. I'm not sure where your leap in logic comes from. Maybe reread what I've said.  I was saying that devoting your life to...|||I think what happened here is that you knew you were a 1 first. Knowing the type definitely makes the instincts more difficult to pin down.  What do you think may have initially clouded your...|||Yeah when you take it out of context like that you can really lose focus of my point.  The point is that a SO 4 is doing things for the group that they identify with. I was trying to say that he...|||What star tripper is trying to say, perhaps, is that social instinct doesn't mean blind conformity to it, but more a desire to find the ideal society that cares about and accomodates the relevant...|||My last paragraph was not making that claim. I come from a firm position that 1) other people don't determine your instinct and 2) the instinct relates to how you interact with people, and the focus...|||Yeah so when you look at one type specifically there are definitely nuances. Like my example in the original post about the SP 6.  I can explain the SO 4 through my lens. The SO 4 has a sense of...|||SP: Making sure your needs or wants are met first before anyone else's. Not saying selfish, but I'm also not saying compeltely selfless. SX: Wanting to make connections with people, opening up to...|||Nice quote.|||I'm sorry you can't think of a real argument and throw whatever I say back at me. You have now gone from nuh uh to I know you are, but what am I?|||Here is an example of what it means to reasonably order an argument. Notice the language, first think of x, then think of y.  I challenge you to quote yourself organizing your argument. But that...|||Really though, actually try to organize and argument and list out your reasons step by step. Maybe you'll make a good counterpoint and I'll say you're right. But that hasn't happened yet.|||Lol you actually ignored everything that I just said. That's fine. It was for your education, so it really only hurts you.  I was saying pm me because you're just going around in circles and using...|||Whenever I'm trying to type someone, I've found that the best approach is to explain the instincts and ask for the person to order them based on preference. Afterwards I crosscheck the motivations of...|||Yeah, and I'm saying people with certain instincts tend to different manifestations of fear. It seems like you're saying people don't have tendencies. People don't just choose the best expression for...|||Sorry, this was a bit unclear in post.  I didn't mean to imply that sp or sx 9's won't rise to the occasion. But they definitely won't go out of their way to find a group to associate with out of...|||It is reframing. You have no explanation. You're just saying you can look at it that way if you want.  Taking a different approach is something like applying a different instinct.  Challenge...|||Yeah, so I said this person will be indecisive, implying a pull towards acedia.  What is counter is the willingness to be involved and decisive when the group needs them to do so.  This may be...|||That is definitely an interesting way of reframing fear. I wouldn't say that counterphobia  is simply the fight response, but a notion of pushing away or challenging people on an interpersonal...|||Yeah I guess it all depends on what you consider to be the fundamental basics... there are fundamental basics of stackings as well. There are people who aren't published that believe in them.  I...|||I personally relate to everything you've said here.  It would be great if you could respond to my post on the 5 thread where I'm asking for insight from social 5's.|||I wonder why people don't believe in counter types, but so many will entertain the idea of a counterphobic 6.  Also, some of the people that I'm closed with are 9's, including a sp 9 and a so 9. ...|||I'm saying my response from 5's on this website is skepticism and rigidity.   Any sort of out of the box thinking is quickly ignored or shut down, and trendy content supporting sp 5 traits are...|||I get that you're trying to say they are just flat out wrong, but would you be able to elaborate on what specifically does not work?|||So glad someone is posting about BC subtypes.   I've been trying to relate to the 5's in this community, but it's horribly difficult.  Most 5's on this website are sp/so 5w6, or they highly value...|||I started out with MBTI first and had no idea what the enneagram was. As an ENFP, the Ne dom backed up with Fi pointed straight towards 7.  I realized that my energy was pointed at people, and...|||There was a part in the original post saying that these interpretations of the subtypes are different than Naranjo and Chestnut. I would like some clarification on this point, since they seem to be...|||I have had a few disagreements here about the core traits of a 5. I think the average 5 description is riddled with sp 5 traits, losing sight of anyone who has sp last on their stacking.  I relate...|||Huh for a bit I was beginning to think that people didny believe in stackings on this website. Thanks for proving me wrong.  I enjoyed how you compared and contrasted sx and so, which is usually...'