'I am IN!     Pretty much my ideas too.  I like to gather information from mine and other people's experiences as well.  I like a more street view of the world in some cases.  It's a...|||Most of it is not, in general.  Yea, it seems sweeping, the way I said it..... but I explained that in later posts.  I assume most people know there can be some rarities and differences here and...|||I've told you, go read.  Why do I have to lead a horse to water?      I'm so hurt, I may just cry.  All that bashing!   I'm a big girl, I can handle people pointing out my negatives.   Why so...|||A good percentage of salespeople will be ESTP, and a percentage will be sociopaths. They gravitate towards the field.   No, not all of them are.  I assume when I am writing that the other person...|||I'm scared.  I've dug myself nowhere.... at all.  I wouldn't expect you to tell it like it is.  It's not your way.  And that's the way nature intended it.    Persuasion is in your blood. ...|||Function, while I can understand your skepticism, I am no longer unhealthy.  I spent 5+ years in therapy.  I have a loving SO of six years (ENTJ), who I live with.  He is Director of Engineering for...|||I have to admit, I burst out in laughter when I read this.    Neither am I!|||You know it's true, Tree.... you're a flake and you know it.  Why the lies?  :tongue:  Oh I forgot, it makes you guys feel weak to admit it (therein, lies the weakness to be exploited).  Poooooooor...|||All the ones I have ever met have been flaky.  I'm not claiming to know them all.    Go hang out with some salespeople sometime.  Maybe you will learn a thing or two.|||Disagree.  I call a spade a spade.  Been there, seen it, know it.  The salespeople at my bf's corporation are the exact same way.  Flaky, shallow, (to me and my bf, untrustworthy) people.  They will...|||The flakiness and shallowness is documented if you go read.....that's just their type.  They don't create depth, and they don't mind flakiness themselves, so they don't understand why you wouldn't. ...|||My dad and my friend are both confirmed.  The others I know, yes, some  of it is assumed.  If it looks like a duck, and it acts like a  duck....., of course it might not be a duck.  Like I said, it...|||I've known a ton of ESTP's.  One of my best friends in school was one.  My dad was one.  I used to sell timeshares and work in retail, and there were many.  I would nevah date one.  Why?  Because...|||Yea....  But I've been thinking about how I missed the boat.  I feel like I've missed the boat.  Why?  Because I am supposedly good at athletics, right.  But I haven't played any sports in...|||OH YESSSSSSSSSSSSS....   I grew up in hell.  My mother was an ISTJ, and my father was an ESTP.  He was an abusive alcoholic for most of my childhood.  It ruined my life for many, many years (39, to...|||Yea, I see your point, and I think some ISTP's can be just as happy behind a desk as they are moving about.  I think alot want to be more active than that tho.... I want something active, hence me...|||Oh I am sure there are some interesting challenges and stuff.  Flying jets would be a ball.  You must've had some really serious parents, because at your age, doing what you are doing was not...|||OMG, the laws are unreal.  There are many more laws here, to protect the people.  It's unreal.  Businesses and people move out everyday because there are so many laws, it becomes too expensive to...|||LOL.  Yes, I think this is probably true, that those happy with their life plans (careers, families, etc.) need less extreme sports.    I can understand your distaste for judgers.  Some of them I...|||LOL not totally.  But I think just a bit here and again......  (I can be subject to generalizing at times - especially when it comes to things that haven't worked for me, but that also works for me...|||Yes, I understand this also.  My mom is an ISTJ, and my dad was an ESTP.  I ended up with 50/50 N anyways, I think I gained the N in my 20's.  I lived with someone who was much more S than I ever...|||I've exercised.... I used to strip for a living lol if you call that an extreme sport.  There are some thrills initially, but like everything else I've tried, I get bored after a couple of weeks. ...|||I agree with the others in that I've never been into adrenaline sports.  Not that I wouldn't.... things have never quite fallen into place on that end.  I have been into video games, however, since I...|||Holy cow... I never knew you guys were the angry postmen who shot up the post office....  my mother is an istj.... and she can be oh-so-bitter and cold sometimes.  I just remember being a teen and...|||I don't think I've ever been inactive, but I think I've always been a lot less active than I would like to be.  Yes, at different parts of my life, I think inactivity led to depression for me.   ...|||I used to have very elaborate dreams.  Ones with extravagant multi-level homes with fancy pools, or shops full of extravagantly-designed dresses and women's wear lol.  I always thought if I could...|||I think we like to share hobbies.  That's about it.  I will converse on social occasions, just because it is novel and not usually what I do.  But I can only do that so much!  It tires me out.  I...|||Yea, definitely have to be a good judge of character to do it.....my SO was already successful and stable, and we were both 30+.  It was pretty obvious it was going to be right.  He offered me a...|||I met my SO of six years on an internet forum!  HeeHee!  He lived on the west coast and I lived on the east......  I moved here and we've been together ever since.  Happily ever after!  :happy:|||Go over to the ENTJ forum....  you will find all the attention and friends you could ever want.  :wink:  Seriously, ENTJ's love us.  :happy:  Everytime I meet one, they are enthralled. ...|||:happy::happy::happy::happy::happy::happy::happy::happy::happy::happy::happy::happy::happy:|||I personally don't care that much.  I'm just giving you an example of  how the world can be.... this ain't Kansas!  LOL.    I don't personally agree with the question being asked in the first...|||As far as the misogyny matter, I think it should have come up, I feel ok with it, and I make my own decisions about what I say.  There is alot about this thread that might point alot of people toward...|||Go read what I said.  I didn't charge anyone with misogyny.  I simply stated it as a possibility.  I've been all over the net, and I've seen a ton of it, so when I start seeing what could be pieces...|||Yea? Well, now maybe you can see how it feels to be judged.  And I don't agree it was a mis-step, as I said, I think it's who you are.  I agree to disagree.  No, I didn't intend to jump on you, I...|||Do you have an outside interest where you can get out your rebellious tendencies?  I have found it works if I am very rebellious outside of work and a good little camper at work.  If I am going...|||The one I have - work comes first.  That's that.  No risk involved.  He can look at people in an interesting way sometimes, with interest.  Usually, it means he likes your mind or the way you work...|||Expected answer.  Hell, the thread is about what people don't like about entj's, so if someone didn't want to know, they wouldn't have asked!  I'm simply answering the gd question.  If you want to...|||I am in a relationship with one.  Honestly, what I dislike about it is this:  I can't grow as fast because he wants to do/ oversee all the work. It's a bit stifling. He is too rigid and...|||I am going to be completely honest (which you may appreciate) and blunt (which ISTP's are known to do)....  I find you guys adorable, BUT....   I also find you guys funny.  Why?  Because most of...|||No, I'm not offended at all.... by any of it.    At one point, I got kindof angry by one person's comment (not yours or Charley's), because it was judging, and I don't understand why it's important...|||I didn't say you were a monster, and don't think you are.  I just meant you may use any information I give for negative.  That's all.  The monster is just something you could become, given the...|||It's not my trust in others that's eroded.... I trust certain people in 5 minutes, and don't trust others ever.  I trust myself to know what's best and what's not.  People's actions and words are...|||I'm going to refuse.    Someone like you (and I don't mean in a bad way, I mean in regards to personality type, geographical location, etc.), may use the information to further their efforts (in a...|||Because you have done and said many things that make me believe you are not being sincere.  I honestly don't think describing/explaining them all is going to do anything but make things worse.  I...|||I believe you.  You're just trying to weasel your way out, which is what you might see as the easiest way to operate.  I don't think you're looking for approval (especially from me, because I'm not...|||Yea, I'm hearing you guys.... don't really believe what I'm hearing, but....:laughing:  Lies will not save you in life.  (Maybe they will in the South, but not in the real world).... lol.  I...|||I can't help but ask.... because I don't understand this pov....  I don't wear make-up everyday, first off, so this isn't about me.  But, there are people who enjoy the act of putting on makeup. ...|||I think it's about acceptance.  Accepting that other people have different beliefs from you, but that doesn't make either of them wrong, just different.  Nature assures differences, and that is...|||Sounds exactly like I used to be lol.'