Yeah, this happens to me with relatives and some friends. Then when I need help with something they act like I'm able to deal with it alone, so it annoys me when they wonder why I never bother...|||Yeah, while the other 4w5s have more type 1 or 9 influences, which tone down this and can cause lots of confusion. This plus being NFs will change things a lot. So really it's better to factor other...|||One thing that also can confuse things is that cognitive functions influence how Enneagram manifests, even if some people try to see them as totally different. They handle different aspects, but...|||I think they actually feel like outsiders, so that's not the main issue that I see as a non-4. What tends to worry me about a friend that's a 4, is when she becomes too self sabotaging, feeling...|||I was bullied at school, and I'm sure that wasn't a challenge as my classmates had an ill intent behind their actions. They wanted to bring me down with their comments, making fun of things that I...|||I don't like the taste of alcohol, and I've seen my classmates acting stupid thanks to it. The social pressure here is very high, but I refuse to follow that social norm just for pleasing other...|||I see, and it's true that weak Ti means that they only have their own experience as reference for logic, so if someone for example has lots of practice coding, then their logic would seem less weak...|||I think that a SEE won't create a new code/system in a Ti sense from scratch, but I know SEEs that are able to code decently and their overall logic (considering both Ti and Te) isn't as weak as you...|||I've thought today about the whole self deletion issue of gut types, and how it has fucked me up badly. This seems to be mentioned more for type 9, but since all gut types do it I've pondered about...|||If you have a pet peeve about peer-review, I can understand it as many of the current magazines just publish topics that are popular, leaving more obscure research gathering dust. I've checked...|||That's one way to get a clue of your core type, as disintegration point should usually manifest the darker side instead of both the good and bad parts of it.   Wanting to move to a specific place...|||I haven't run into many INFJs online, and I only know one that probably has Aspergers, but she's actually a 9w1. I tend to run more into Fi valuers than Fe ones, except in some card games chats, but...|||6w7|||Yes, my favorites are Tamers and Savers. Now I'm watching Appmon, which despite the childish humor it touches stuff about AIs and how they could surpass humanity and enslave it if it went out of...|||Yeah, more as at times it's difficult to react in the most adequate way and in my case I either freeze or run away when I hear a dude being creepy. I went usually to a card shop for playing Vanguard,...|||That sucks a lot, as those dudes are getting the wrong idea or show how creepy they are deep down. It reminds me of the dudebros that I see here, who think that women are nothing more than a...|||For owlet I think that grumpy IEE can work xD|||My mom let me go to religion class despite being an atheist, so I could see for myself if that made sense to me or not. What I learnt there and also dealing with a shitty teacher that tried to bribe...|||I never make my own characters based on enneagram or MBTI, as that way you only end with a caricature that doesn't represent someone that could be real. So better flesh out their personality and...|||brightflashes I think that the lack of 8 may be the result of when there was lots of crap going on for anyone that dared to check type 8, and most of them were labeled as cp6 years ago. I don't know...|||It reminds me of the bias about type 5 being intellectual and type 8 being seen as some badass from an action movie. One of my friends is likely a type 4 and she struggles with the issues that you...|||I mistyped during years between 1 and 7, as there was so much bias about newbies mistyping at 4, 5 and 8 that I avoided those options like the pest after my mistype at 5. I knew that I would need a...|||Paradigm BTW, your link about directional theory confirmed that I'm not a frustration type, as reading about the stuff about moving against long term hit uncomfortably close home to me (the...|||Yeah, my mom definitely matches the hypercritical parent thing as well. She always punished me when I forgot to do things for school and she was critical when I didn't get a perfect score. Later she...|||I mean in a broader sense, like being able to solve problems efficiently (including random stuff like videogames), understanding concepts without much trouble and analyzing well. Academic sucess is...|||I still think that some gut type fits me, so from that angle identity isn't my main concern. However, there are times that I can't shake away the feeling of being a weirdo that never will be normal....|||I forgot to mention that this also could lower the prices of meds in the long run, as industries would invest less money if their basic properties could be tested with a simulation and they could...|||Oh yeah, the school system is awful here, so without the extra info that I learnt I would have a harder time with college as the level was really low. I agree that it could be anything, so that's why...|||Paradigm The Night's Queen Stellafera I've forgotten to mention something relevant about my childhood, and it is that I always liked to read about topics that weren't taught in depth at school. I...|||The part of being aware of not fitting in, but also not caring is quite relatable. I don't relate to the need to openly demostrate superiority, as most of the time I'm too bored for even trying that...|||The Night's Queen BTW since you mentioned some 3 like stuff about one of my posts, the only fix that I haven't found any decent evidence for doubting even since I started with Enneagram was my heart...|||I had to learn the tactful way, as I'm too blunt normally and I my vocabulary isn't the best, in the sense of using curse words as it's common in chilean Spanish. I only try to be polite when I know...|||I think that type 1 too can do this stuff, as they're competency oriented and take action when things go wrong. That's why I'm reconsidering it after thinking that it sounded too rigid and stick in...|||About taking charge IRL, I've decided to personally ask and negotiate things when other classmates may not be able to leverage stuff properly, as I'm aware that professors usually are more willing to...|||The anxiety part makes lots of sense to me, as my mom always hated when I watched anything that she considered too violent and she tried to beat anything masculine out of me, and she keeps making a...|||Paradigm since you mentioned female 8s, which other things have you noticed about them? I'm curious as I'm biologically female despite not identifying with girly stuff and I actually come across as a...|||I'm finishing my chemistry undergrad studies at the moment, as I got my BSc and now I'm doing the industrial part of my career that I probably will complete next year. I also studied biochemistry...|||@Brains  one thing that I agree with is that even some surface like traits can point out to deeper issues, so observing is quite important while typing and refining archetypes. There are things that...|||Rose for a Heart that information about gut types helped me to confirm that at least I'm not a head type despite suffering of anxiety disorder, as I'm stubborn, refuse to let others mold me into the...|||I don't mention my hobbies much to most people, as I've gotten crap for the most simple things thanks to my mom's comments about me liking things that she find childish or not good for women, like...|||BTW since I've been a bit more active over here, feel free to throw type suggestions at me on this thread. For reference, my past nicknames were Blue Flare and Mordred Phantom. Only extra info is...|||You express well why I also quit, I bothered mentioning stuff that I've noticed talking to my own friends, but nope they get dismissed to the point that I feel like I'm punching a brick wall. It's...|||She shows the outer direction of how she focus on stuff here, and the conflict part clearly can't be forever avoided so that's more of a trend than thing that always happens. Anyway, I won't reply...|||Those points aren't that common to reach, and even a healthy type may later decline to average depending of their life circumstances. So my issue is that really striving to be better is more of a...|||Dunno which theory and authors do you follow, but this concept from Maitri's excerpts mentions that wings aren't a lesser influence:    So this pull and push between the wings aren't a thing that...|||I'm not trolling, I'm just mentioning that integration is a process that takes a lot of effort to achieve and that won't be permanent. One thing is to adapt some traits of your integration point, and...|||Lol, this misses the point as integration is a very hard process and clearly it won't be done easily by a type 4. What she mentioned sounded more like her natural state than a rare occurrence, which...|||What you mentioned though sounds more like merging, and striving to be better is a type 1 concern. Type 4 sticks to their issues as they reject the idea of becoming better as something not possible...|||This sounds more like what my type 9 friend does, and dunno if you've ever felt like you're a blank slate. She always mentions that her sense of self gets quite influenced by external circumstances...|||Ok, mostly I wanted to show that usually this tendency to write dark stories tends to be tied to types 4 and 5, when it's not type related unless you can see what drove the person to explore those...