'That is actually a false understanding of the theory (and a very common mistake in these internet forums). Theoretically speaking, if your N/S preference is somewhere in the middle, your preference...|||There is no reason why you can't be somewhere between ENFP and ENTP. MBTI/Jungian typology is not clear cut, fundamentally speaking. There are always gray areas. In the cognitive functions terms, it...|||Wow, another victim of the axis-based false typing shithole right there.  Being an ISFJ would mean, at least theoretically, you devalue Ne and Ti. Your Ne and Ti may be quite underdeveloped. Ne and...|||You could say science is one opinion and flying spaghetti is one opinion - and we all fall into moralistic fallacy. No, Jung & Myers only used cognitive function idea to explain their theory better,...|||That's a very skewed way of typing yourself (in other words, WRONG). Don't fall in that shithole, which in fact lots of forumites here are locked in. Note that the Tertiary and the Inferior functions...|||I see some interesting stuff going on, I should join soon when I have some time..|||Count me in :)|||No wonder you can't understand it - No such thing as cognitive loop or Dom-Ter loop really exists in the theory. This really comes from a false understanding of the so-called function stack....|||- Posts like above will cause misconceptions that one would use either Te/Fi or Ti/Fe only (a very popular misconception here in PC, usually called tandems or function axes).  you can refer to...|||Let me make an assumption here: INFJ's are most loyal to ENTP's, if they chose to be loyal to them.  ISFJ's are loyal too, but don't understand ENTP's N world as much. (S's generally don't care...|||- I will speak of my inferior(Si) in terms of my default mode of operation (Ne+Ti) only - since that's what seems to be relevant here.  It is used on a shallow and artificial level to TUNE DOWN my...|||I agree, idolization is usually very irritating - Especially when it's directed towards a person or a group of people (eg. a country). Idolization of an object (a thing or an idea) is a lot...|||I'll be away for the next few days and won't be able to reply. I think reckful can help us out in the meanwhile, if he doesn't mind.|||Normal vs Under Stress is a black/white logic. There must be something in between, like a light pressure.  In a normal situation, I'd rather use Ne than Ni. If I need to use Ni, why not. I'll use...|||What I bolded is what I thought so too, now I think there can be a variation - which is, ENTP with a strong E will turn into ENTJ upon the defensive mindset, rather than INTJ. When Ne+Ti turns into...|||How so? Why wouldn't he switch to a hormonal state of an ENFP, using Ne-Fi??    Ok, Although I disagree with the above statement, I wouldn't totally disagree with it. It's something we can...|||Hmm. So Fi is sort of an alternative for INTP, but suddenly becomes the most unconscious for ENTP? What about for XNTP?     It seems you're basing your reasoning on Socionics. Can you...|||It's simple - he is an ENXP. My suggestion is - do not buy on those who say you HAVE TO belong to either. (Although it seems you need to learn more about the functions for now)    In my opinion...|||Interesting, I always have thought so too. Although here, more introverted seems to mean socially introverted, which is more related to typical everyday usage of introversion. As we all know,...|||Top 3 is the part I disagree here, and I think this is the part that can bring some misunderstanding about the functions.   Let's think of it this way. Do you then think Inferior function is...|||Just like how preference level varies in MBTI, the shadowness of the shadow functions varies for each individual.  For me, even though I prefer Ne the most, I'd use Ni if there's a reason. The...|||I agree. But I disagree with:  ENTP=Ti/Fe ENFP=Fi/Te  If there is no further explanation. Such juxtaposition make it seem that the functions are used in tandem, both in the same direction and...|||Ambivert, why not. But before going there, I suggest you these questions to think about:  Is your Ti a result of your Ne? or is it more the other way?  Also, do you tend to seek...|||You seem to say ENTP=Ti/Fe, and ENFP=Fi/Te, for every case.  But what about those who have introverted judging attitude in general (Pi), all before having that much of a clear-cut preference for...|||Let the quote from Jung give you some answers, hopefully.  There is, finally, a third group, and here it is hard to say whether the motivation comes chiefly from within or without. This group is...|||Do you think there is nothing on the line of the 16 types at all, even for let's say between ENTP and INTP?|||T and F does not always contradict each other, they can actually collaborate quite well. A lot of people here in this forum seem to think T and F are so contrasting and cannot co-exist.. Let me add a...|||If you're saying one really has to be one or the other and there is nothing in between, I'd like to know why.|||Glad to know you don't think of it as black/white (sounded like it when you first replied).  Let's go back to your comment, where you say They don't have Ti, they have Te    Now theoretically...|||Hmm you make it sound too complicated. I'd rather prefer a more intuitive and holistic approach. Your explanation may work for ENTP, but it's too specific to be applied to other types.  By the way...|||Let me ask you - is your Si stronger than your Ni, since you have Si in your function stack and not Ni?|||Classic misconception.  I'd say - INFPs don't have Te, they are rather unwillingly forced to use their shaky Te to disguise their excessive Fi.  To me that sounds closer than have when it...|||INFP with lack of T (Ti) - Not sure.  INFP with intelligence and well-developed T (Ti), sounds awesome.|||Very common misconception here in PC. This is because people here type themselves FIRST, and THEN look at the functions.   Let me put it this way. EVERYBODY uses all of the below for cognitive...|||Personally I don't think the so-called loop theory is very logical.  It usually starts from the common misunderstanding about the tertiary function, that:  1. The tertiary function is the 3rd...|||Thank you, but that's too much detail for me. I personally prefer more intuitive and comprehensive explanation (like the very basic cause/relationship/reasons).   BTW You seem to claim that INTJ...|||Axis-system hmm.. Are you saying INTJs and ESFPs have something specific in common, since they both have Te/Fi axis? I'd like to know. I'd think of them as rather polar opposite.|||My view is that Fi and Ti are not necessarily contradictory. They would collaborate quite often in certain occasions, just like how Fe and Te collaborate.  Such statement that Ti and Fe goes...|||I guess we do agree on the sense that Tertiary and Inferior functions have a different nature compare to Dominant and Auxiliary which are pretty much genuine.  But I wouldn't call it powerful...|||(I wrote basically the same post somewhere else before, I'll repeat it since I think it fits quite well here)  I consider the function stack (dom-aux-ter-inf) valid, but NOT in the order of the...|||Jazz here too. I don't know, something about jazz is just appealing to me. I think it's because it's a kind of music that improvises. Which means, it constantly throws out new rough ideas all over....|||I kinda thought about this a little for the last few days, here are some ideas so far:    - This is Ne working at its fullest.  As an Extraverted Perceiver, I need to experience/learn as much...|||It's funny, this is exactly what I was thinking after coming back from a trip recently.  When it comes to travelling, I just suddenly become a totally different person.  Part of the reason is...|||You're right about the point that the meaning of ENTP is directly associated with the function stack (I personally don't like the word stack here, it's too 1-dimensional).  I don't disagree...|||No. I'm implying that tertiary and inferior are not necessarily third and fourth. If you firmly believe that (I hope you don't mean this), say, Si is really the 4th strongest function for ENTP...|||Try to read IDontThinkSo's signature link, it's up the page. I think it might help you understand more about the variety within ENTP (regarding the use of Ti/Fi).|||They say ENTPs are the most introverted extroverts (Thanks to Ne+Ti). (Some say INTPs are the most introverted introverts too) This is maybe why many ENTPs are confused whether they are INTP. ...|||I agree that it's very frequent that many people only reinforced their former strategies. It's almost sad in some cases.  Ideally this counter-force would have to get trained and utilized to some...|||Your signature link seems very interesting to me. I can't say that it is THE truth, but it's logically very consistent and correct.  I have one thing to ask about your opinion though.  I too...|||Sorry for a late comeback.  I understand too how the word conceptual/fact can be confusing too, if J/P distinction is not made.  Btw I think the initial problem in this debate was that...'