'I don't drive.   Never bothered to get my license, and still can't be bothered to do it. I can get around in the city faster on the train than I could in a car, and more predictably (no worries...|||[duplicate post]|||Not sure if I agree. I'd be *incredibly* frustrated if someone moved stuff around my desk, friend or otherwise. My work space is sacred. Mess up your own space. :P|||I don't see how this information will show anything of the sort, without a baseline for everyone on the forum.|||I think this actually gets to the heart of the original question. And while my opinion likely differs from yours, it seems to be based on the same assumptions.   OP and most men in this thread do...|||Meh. ISTJs get that designation, sorry. ISTPs might have plenty of common sense but it's not your defining quality like it is for ISTJs. They're more decisive, which makes common sense an actual...|||I think this is an interesting point, because along with saying women aren't necessarily effective at their work (which makes me think of jobs like firefighting, and other positions with physical...|||Because your parents weren't like the most parents I mentioned, I guess.  I'd say the same is true for me. I grew up climbing trees and wearing pants. Mind you, I didn't get everything I wanted...|||Children aren't any indication of (lack of) social construct, because they are subject to it as well. Most parents implement/adhere to gender stereotypes from the moment their kid is born, so...|||Eh, that doesn't bother me.   Actually, I think it's admirable when people are realistic about their abilities, and set a goal that's suitable for them.|||Whoa! Hold up.   Per the quoted text, I was referring to you taking the earlier comment to heart, about being offensive for saying we felt sorry for those that miss out on the rich detail that we...|||Wow, you really took that to heart eh?|||This doesn't apply to me.  I build a new structure for just about everything I do.   Mind you, you're right in that the actual planning and prep is primary. The structure I build is formed around...|||As a female INTJ, I don't think I differ much at all from a male INTJ. There are different social expectations placed on me which I learn and generally go along with, but as a type in general I think...|||Do you spend every minute of your day enjoying everything around you?  While some people certainly don't stop to smell the flowers, many of us dox97even us iNtuitives. Yes, if I'm going somewhere I...|||Your intentions seem to be in the clear, so I'm unbothered. I don't think you're trying to be offensive.   That said, I'll examine a few of your comments here individually:    Yes, pity was a...|||I gave the example about violets because I thought it would be useful to show how I think, and I thought it would be a simple enough example that most people could identify with it, and see how they...|||I'm an INTJ (Ni Te Fi Se), and unlike my ISTJ husband, I don't notice things around me at all. He will pick out the slightest change in his environment, and it definitely comes across as a superpower...|||I missed this nuance the first time I read this.   I do think an incorrect Ni interpretation can exist. Absolutely Ni can lead us astray. However, I don't think this means Ni is flawed. Ni does...|||You're misinterpreting my example, which may be my fault. I'm saying, to the person who has only seen violets under UV light, the violets look like other flowers which they know to be red (not the...|||I do second-guess myself, but I suspect I don't as much as most other people do. The reason I say this is that I have a tendency to throw out irrelevant information (both positive and negative)....|||No. The twelve year old would be led to exactly the right place given the information at hand.   The information might not be at hand because of lack of experience or context, but that doesn't make...|||What an odd thing to say... that INTJs need to be happier. I don't know whether it's because I'm an INTJ or because I'm optimistic or have a generally cheerful outlook, but I'm a very happy person,...|||Have you seen  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QLcTizAVa8?|||I don't think it's necessary to change your love language or to find someone using the language you are asking for, because wanting to make someone happy means wanting to do the things that work...|||No, no no, no. No. Ti and Ne and Te and Ni are just preferences for how to address thingsx97not something that can be flawed in and of themselves.   Yes, a person can lack experience and as a...|||You do so many things to make people happy. You genuinely care. :)|||Hmm... I have a question for my fellow INTJs:  How do you guys feel about having your photo taken?  Because I hate it, and I can't entirely figure out why. I know it has nothing to do with the...|||Ignas39  Thank you for that. I actually really needed that boost this afternoon. :)|||THIS A THOUSAND TIMES.   I do structural design, but I would never call myself an engineer. I am fully aware of the amount of extra school and other requirements the designation of engineer...|||I think I see where @BigApplePi was coming from, if I'm interpreting correctly: He wanted to force an example of failed intuition, which is something often evident in INTJs when dealing with a large...|||amoon   At least he's an equal-opportunity goader.  The F in NF stands for Fun I'm guessing?|||*grumbles*|||Are you goading me? :P  Or do you mean that? If you mean that, it sounds like something I should put some thought into. What side of myself would I be repressing? Perhaps it's something I...|||This sounds like a problem with impatience. Why not wait until the thought is fully formed? It appears you want to get the context from us; I hope you can see that this is inherently unfair.    ...|||I don't know how I would go about guessing or figuring out my sister's type, but she's convinced she's an INFJ, has confirmed only using online tests, and identifies with the associated type...|||Bleh, I really don't understand all that you must forgive everybody stuff...   I don't tend to forgive, but I can decide to be okay with things, which may be similar. For instance, my dad's a...|||SAME HERE.   I've done some things that have really bothered me and while it's usually been a case of being too shy to say what I meant (back when I was more shy), or something similar, then end...|||Superstars and cannonballs running through your head  Television freak show cops and robbers everywhere  Animals and children tell the truth, they never lie  Which one is more human  There's a...|||This is an interesting comment... my sister is an INFJ, and I know her well and she's actually a LOT more private than I am. She has issues with public displays of affection, she doesn't share much...|||I'm not sure about this. I don't usually have a full schedule, but I do overcommit myself sometimes and I've been in a similar situation to the one @DaBallerina described (although admittedly I...|||The question is still too open-ended.   But I'll give you my opinion on something related, since there's an issue in that general subject area which I have strong opinions about: Today's...|||Aw, you got all serious with me.  You're fine. :) I'm just feeling frisky this afternoon.|||I need to know why you hold this opinion.  Please explain. :p  Edit for clarity: Why are you of the opinion that these people are worth your frustration? Except there's really no need to answer...|||But that's a developed skill, which not everyone has.  I certainly didn't have that skill for a long time. The only reason I didn't get into major trouble with being aggressively blunt is because I...|||The tired of myself thing happens to me a LOT. Although, more often than not it's in situations where I'm arguing and it's not really a good discussion. I think why did I bother followed by...|||I'm calling BS on this one.  You know exactly what he meant. :p|||I think that if an INTJ and INTP were given an infinite amount of time and resources to solve a given problem, the INTP would probably come up with a more polished, perfected solution by the end of...|||I think INTPs in general don't have a hidden agenda because they don't tend to have an agenda at all (which is annoying in itself). Thing is, us INTJs typically do have an agenda (at least, I...|||Ne Ti would be more relevant in BigApplePi 's case. Which I think is an important distinction because while we INTJs are saying what is it you're looking for? What kind of conclusion are you trying...'