'https://www.capt.org/research/article/JPT_Vol69_0109.pdf  Let's discuss the logical problems of the J-P preference, page 4.   What does Lowen mean by yet both are contained in P?|||Functions vs. dichotomies  http://personalitycafe.com/cognitive-functions/866826-can-anyone-point-me-towards-scientific-literature-cognitive-functions.html#post28826122 ...|||Let's continue this discussion here:  http://personalitycafe.com/myers-briggs-forum/749410-jungian-cognitive-function-theory-vs-mbti-dichotomies.html|||Are you only arguing against Harold Grant function stack? There could be other models (with functions) that work, right?  What is your view on this? ...|||First of all, what I said back then is not necessarily my point of view today.   Are you referring to this thread?  http://personalitycafe.com/socionics-forum/638818-mathematics-socionics.html ...|||What on earth are you talking about?|||bla bla bla  We disagree on the definitions of the functions, so it is pointless to discuss Einstein's type any further.   Personality Cafe should have more sub-forums like the16types.info:...|||Let's end this thread.|||I don't tell you how to type people in Socionics.    First of all, Socionics is based on Jungian typology (and  Antoni Kępiński's theory of information metabolism). And Myers-Briggs type theory...|||Physics: almost exclusively ILI, perhaps 1-3% LII  Mathematics: perhaps 75% LII, 24% ILI, 1% ILE...IEE...LIE  Pure math: 95-99% LII  Applied math: approximately 50% LII, 50% ILI  Chemistry:...|||I have said this before. I am referring to that group of people who identify with ILI AND INTJ (mbti), i.e. leading NiTe, white intuition-black logic, TP, internal dynamics of fields-external...|||If Ti is about both logical structure AND logical reasoning, then Ni should be about both alternatives/possibilities AND scenario thinking/thought experiments/new patterns, right?   But ILIs /...|||Watch this documentary about John Nash (ILI) at 15:15-16:00. I think ILI mathematicians are using a top-down approach. This is what I mean by backwards.  ...|||Blocks | School of System Socionics  It is difficult to plunge into thinking over the information of vital track information elements. You get pushed to the mental track as if a cork from a bottle...|||Okay, so Te is about thinking over theory publicly (in your view)?   It is rather pointless to discuss Einstein's type if we don't agree on the definitions of the functions.|||Yes, I think SLI and ILI are the most common types among scientists (and physicians). But there are, for example, chemists who are LII. I think they do chemistry backwards ... in a sense (structure...|||I don't think obstinate/yielding applies to this.    Are you suggesting that all ILEs type Einstein as an ILE???   Post 28 in this thread:   I don't really have a perfect understanding of...|||What exactly do you mean by 'standing outside the hypothesis deciding subjectively what the hypothesis should say'?|||Okay, but we are discussing Einstein and his observations/thought experiments.|||This is important. We don't leave out Ti from 1-5, since it is an unconscious (or preconscious) function for ILI and SLI. Ti brakes/controls Si and Ni.   Consider any pattern... the number '3'...|||What is the ``scientific method''?  The scientific method:  1. Observe some aspect of the universe. (Si, Ni) 2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what...|||This explains why SSS thinks Richard Feynman was an ILE.   Richard P. Feynman : English forum â€¢ Ð¨ÐºÐ¾Ð»Ð° Ñx81Ð¸Ñx81Ñ‚ÐµÐ¼Ð½Ð¾Ð¹ Ñx81Ð¾Ñ†Ð¸Ð¾Ð½Ð¸ÐºÐ¸  http://socionicasys.org ...|||Seth Lloyd is a theoretical physicist (and engineer), who is an LII / INTP (mbti).  ILE / ENTP (mbti): Rowan Atkinson, John Cleese, Stephen Fry, Amy Poehler, Salma Hayek, Rose McGowan, Jeremy...|||What are you talking about?  https://worldhistoryproject.org/1907/albert-einstein-begins-to-apply-laws-of-gravity-to-theory-of-relativity  In 1907, while still working at the patent office,...|||Absolutely not!|||This is beyond ridiculous!  What if another ILE types Einstein as an ILI?  Are you saying that SSS theory isn't Socionics? Vladimir Yermak is an LII.  Btw, I have never claimed that my views...|||Originally, I was referring to this link:  Process and result - Wikisocion  Process types: Immersed to a process and inclined to single-tasking.   ...which implies sticking with problems...|||Good. You are  confirming this dichotomy.    Wikisocion:   Result types are inclined to make intermediate and final estimates, to sum up the results or outputs. They are oriented towards the...|||Aušra Augustinavičiūtė:  Introverted logic   We shall call 'logical' those feelings that arise in the process of comparing one object to another on the basis of any objective parameter — for...|||Again, it is about new patterns (Ni) and logical reasoning (Te). First you must establish new patterns, then you can consider structural logic, Ti (length, size...).    'In 1920 Einstein commented...|||Who says he is ILE? A socionist? They are notoriously bad at typing people.|||That's exactly what an ILI / INTJ would say. LIIs usually avoid any such comments altogether. It's too presumptuous...  Also, LII is a Result type and ILI is a Process type ... I stay with...|||INTP (mbti) corresponds to LII / INTj (socionics).   I am (usually) not referring to the theoretical type (e.g. LII), but a group of people who identify with that theoretical type.|||First of all, you should not take the Reinin dichotomies and Gulenko's cognitive styles too seriously.  Secondly, you are misinterpreting the meanings of these dichotomies/descriptions.|||Yes   Yes   Einstein observed new patterns (Ni) and drew conclusions (Te). Logical reasoning/conclusions and 'organizing objects' are directly related. The former: you know A and B, then you...|||Yes    The key words here are convenient manner. The objects relate to us in a certain way.   If we consider how they relate to each other, then we categorize them. For example, a screwdriver...|||You can organize without physical action. But there is always an intention to act/interact when you use an extroverted funtion.   Both cognitive processes/functions (e.g. Te and Ti) are mental...|||I have not stated that Te is a physical action. Te plans/prepares action (and interaction, behavior...). Se, Fe and Ne also plan/prepare action ... in my view.|||Let's focus on 'categorize' vs. 'organize' first. Aristotle was probably an ILI, but that's not important. All types use all functions! The problem here is that 'comparing screw, nuts etc' is a...|||http://mbtitoday.org/carl-jung-psychological-type/  (defunct)  Exercise  Se: Explore the object with your five senses as you are experiencing the object right now; look at the object, taste it...|||I should add a comment here. You are assuming that there are objective and subjective cognitive processes/functions AND something more (e.g. the empirical foundation). Socionists and I are assuming...|||You claimed that '1+1=2' is an axiom. I still don't think it is an axiom.   Response to Is 1+1=2 an axiom? - CTK Exchange  Is 1+1=2 an axiom?  One thing you have to realize is that there is...|||I agree with you here.    I think we partially agree about Xe and Xi. Are you saying that Xe itself is not extroverted, and Xi itself is not introverted?    Who says the Aha moments are...|||How is your 'short-term / long-term' (and the other concepts) relevant to typology and personality psychology?    Both mainstream Socionics and SSS are partially wrong.    Let me rephrase the...|||You are still not getting it. The sensory impression (Si) itself is the fact (i.e. what you have objectively experienced). the sun is hot is another sensory impression (i.e patterns of sounds),...|||INTP (mbti) corresponds to LII / INTj (socionics).   I am (usually) not referring to the theoretical type (e.g. LII), but a group of people who identify with that theoretical type.|||...or the connections are too complicated. What is the connection between short-term / long-term and LII, ESE, SEE...?   SSS's definitions of the information elements (or functions) are based on...|||Yes, I am referring to those definitions and descriptions of 'plus' and 'minus'.    SSS:  The «quality» feature of a «plus» signed function is a «positive», the competence in the positive area...|||Yes. Let me rephrase it. Sometimes information goes from Ni directly to Te. Right?    But how is Te informed about the reality itself?   Te is judging function!|||Yes, 'subjective' and 'objective' are problematic. Jung used these in a very specific way. (see quotes I have posted in this thread and the Mathematics: Te vs. Ti thread)  My point is that if you...'