'^ That was VERY helpful! That's exactly how I feel. I have been going against who I am and it has made me miserable, confused, depressed... A person just cannot live like that. I have to be able to...|||I took what lirulin posted as a statement with feeling. She's been hurt and confused by feelers and some relationships in her life and that's why she vented here.  It wouldn't be that complicated,...|||I get it. INTJs sometimes make things complicated from my POV. That in turn confuses me. I think it's funny how hard you guys took my slight about the coldness and the discussion just turned quite...|||What is it? It's ok. Why make it so very complicated? It's so difficult, It's so hard... It isn't. It's quite alright. I should always stick to what I know. I realize it more now after all of...|||I didn't want to go into this then, because I thought it wasn't my place, but all I could feel was upset that you have been trying to be in relationships with some people and you've been hurt,...|||Honestly, I think this whole discussion is going around in circles at this point. I hear upset in the INTJ posts, too. Yeah, you guys frame it like it's always rational, but sometimes it's just...|||Maybe if I'll post once again (and possibly answer, if anyone has questions for me) and I'll then delete my account from PerC, because I am utterly embarrassed about all this commotion. I started to...|||This is all I can do. Maybe I have some childhood issues, but that's not the concern of people on this board. I didn't even understand myself that I was being like this.|||Ok, I'll stop posting now. I'm really sorry for all this confusion! antiant was probably more right here than anyone else. I was wrong to get so defensive and I was wrong to insult you. I was being...|||Yeah. I'm just confused, because I have nothing to add. Maybe you, or someone else could try to answer those questions?|||This frustrates me about INTJs. You keep pushing for answers when I've got nothing more to give you. I've done my bit. It's been mentioned that I'm trolling this thread. I'll just let someone else...|||*sigh* There are no sides here, only different people. Don't look for one, because all has been said already about this. What part would you like me to clarify? Do you mean why I took offense? I read...|||What INTJs do to me: You make my brains hurt, because you're too da*n smart... LOL  And regardles...   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p41xLRmEPoY  :laughing:|||Tired. My brains hurt from talking with thinkers. :crazy:|||No one needs to be perfect, or perfectly understood. I can't always find the right words and I mess up. It's life and I'm sorry I hurt you guys. (Sorry that this is again personal like this, but...|||There's one thing I want to add. It's OK to be emotional sometimes. It's perfectly fine.|||(I feel reluctant to post, because people now think I'm trolling.)  I was getting emotional, but after Now And Then posted, I calmed down. I didn't expect the discussion to continue the way it did....|||I was just trying to participate in the discussion. I thought I explained my point of view, or tried to. I'm not going to go further into this anymore, because you guys will think I make it about me...|||No, I don't think so. It's Chinese and Hindi. A translator would be nice sometimes... I tried to read all those posts again.     It's just that your and antiant's posts came off as rather harsh...|||I think I get this. I kind of feel like this, also.|||I'm sorry, but I don't understand half of this. Ok, so carry on and sorry if ive been offensive. Bye lol|||Lol. I think MBTI is bunch of crap anyway. Its not scientific.|||I might be too dumb to understand, I think, or then I just don't understand the language. I understood what Now and then wrote, but maybe it was because she wrote she understood some of what I was...|||Wow. Now I understand why you guys like to keep to yourselves... Those last two posts were the coldest things I've ever read in my life.|||^ Yeah. Thanks. I just took offense because I never want to hurt others and I've had bad experiences. I have a lot to learn, obviously. :frustrating:|||Snakecharmer I'm sorry. I think emotional manipulation sucks and I think I've experienced something like that, too.  lirulin I don't get what you mean by this:  I don't require people to expend...|||You don't think Ts can't be hypocritical as well? It's so easy to fall back on the I don't understand people attitude... I think there should be effort made from both sides. I just feel like...|||In my experience, usually people just wish to be heard. I always assume that if someone lashes out to me, they're hurt for some reason and are trying to let me know it, rather than trying to...|||Well, I'm obviously going to answer only for myself, not in behalf of all feelers. I don't think many people want and choose to hurt someone. That's a sad thought. I think it's mostly...|||That's a bit much. I at least can say that I have my faults, but wanting to hurt other people isn't one of them.|||good. :proud:|||I get nervous.|||I don't think so. When you get to know them, you'll see they're helpful and considerate.. When it comes down to it, I actually think they're INFP at heart.. :blushed:|||aww... and the not so flattering do i have to watch over you all the time .. Um, lol..|||lol  thanks for the light. *smokes a virtual cig and chills* :happy:|||^ Aww, come on :laughing:  Lighten up. A Good hug can even do that to me (and I'm a depressed INFP). :crazy:|||It's horrible.  I've felt like this (VERY DEEPLY) twice. It is the most awful thing, as it's not... For me it wasn't about my expectations, but everything else. If I feel very deeply and it cannot...|||Isn't this the best thread ever? You can relate to every post!|||A bit tired... preoccupied... longing... frustrated... still peaceful.|||I don't know what you mean by depersonalization here, but I could imagine it being a state in which you are living completely in your emotions (or Fi-Si looping) to the extent that you're not even...|||Wow... So this is what I've been experiencing. :shocked:  Anyway, it's getting better. It's weird, though, because I feel like I was such an idealist before. I was quite blind to some of my own...|||I'm... *hugs back*  I needed to cry, so it was good.  :happy:|||^ Thanks for that. Made me cry.|||Apathetic.|||Mmh, lol. It's better to not make things about feelings that much. I kind of had to come to that conclusion in the hard way. I can feel something deeply, but it's better to show it toned down, I...|||I don't know, but good luck!  I've been going through stuff and have written here... I... My friend, this one INTJ woman I was friends with before, but it sort of got weird and... Anyway, I don't...|||Yes, I think so. I've also gone through this leaving a religious community and the adjusting of beliefs afterwards. I've studied philosophy and other religions, psychology... My own values are pretty...|||OT: So you apparently can't delete posts?  Sorry for this spam post, then.|||1. Is it easy for you to maintain eye contact during conversation (in general)?   If I'm very interested in what the other person is saying, feel comfortable, it comes naturally. I always look...|||Yeah, just a little moderation, I think. It's usually alright, anyway. :happy:'