'I don't have much time, so I'll be short, and possibly not as thorough as I could be...        There are facts.  How could there not be?  In this universe, things work a certain way.  Facts...|||1.  Yes, it is feelings, not logic, that drives you to learn.  I suppose that means Humanity only exists because of feelings...interesting. But that means that instincts are a feeling, too, since...|||Hallo, dropping in on ur conversation.  :D  affinity:  FEW ULTIMATE TRUTHS???:shocked:  Every fact is its own truth, though...|||So you are saying that you want to learn because once you learn everything, there is no longer a reason for existence, and thus, you are then ready to die?  That makes sense on a personal level,...|||So...what you are suggesting is that we are all one?  That seems like an oxymoron in and of itself...all one.  I'm sorry, my computer-like brain isn't sure how to process this...  Here's how I...|||My projects are usually better than the groups', too.  ^^|||I do kinda the same thing, but I wouldn't describe it as a trance.  It's more...my mind doesn't want to shut down because it's trying to rationalize, categorize, file, and sort the info gathered over...|||I know that feeling...that's the feeling I've had recently.  I know I need to do better too, due to the fact that I'm losing debates on this forum...I actually jumped into a debate that I did not...|||When people you're arguing with know you well enough to know that you want them to get a point, but they don't know you well enough to know that you're going to use that point later in the argument,...|||That's what I do, and then occasionally they say something important (but still not interesting) and I get screwed for not hearing it.|||My point, though it isn't a pleasant one, is that when you accumulate that knowledge, what happens to it when you die?  It's gone.  It doesn't matter to you anymore.  And even if you share that...|||That makes a lot of sense, now that I think about it.|||Well in this field, that's pretty close to all you CAN do.  xD|||Good heavens...  Now I see what it's like to not be objective. o.0  I'm amazed you INTPs' heads don't explode from all that; you think too much about possibilities and not enough about necessities. ...|||I never found High School difficult or challenging in the least, at least not academically.  I have confidence that I'll survive college; really, what I'm worried about is the cost, not the academics.|||This is a much better way of putting what I am thinking.|||If, hypothetically, those points were all true, you would be correct.  However, I am contending whether they are true, not which direction they point.  A:  Time and the universe are illusions...|||Forgive me if I misunderstand you, but...are you saying that we control everything, simply because we percieve everything?  When you are born, you do not have control over where you are born. ...|||Yeah, that makes sense to me, kinda.  More the being aware of my breathing than the pattern of short bursts, though.|||Thanks.  I think...xD  Well, despite my brain's ardent protests, I couldn't keep away from a debate like this.  In that respect, I am extremely INTJ.  Heh.  I read the first page...and then gave up...|||Ouch...my head...  I just wandered into this thread after 5 hours of standardized testing.  Sorry, but not in the mood for THIS much thinking right now...|||Just got done taking the ACT for the third time, this time after 3 months of no school and on about 6 hours of sleep.  I think I did better than last time. :cool:  Though, I had this one piece by...|||Precisely.  But, ultimately, we are going to die anyways.  And anyone or anything we might care about enough to die for will eventually fade away as well.  So, sacrifice or not, it really doesn't...|||If you get over and do it, though, and you are terrible at ad libbing (I am), you'll end up looking stupid.  And to me, at least, confident and stupid doesn't seem attractive.  And planned...|||Thank you!!!  Ultimately it doesn't matter.  Finally, someone else who sees it!  I feel like this is just argued because neither side wants to give an inch to the other.  We could have been created...|||Interesting.  I just have a hard time getting to sleep at any reasonable time, so I stay awake doing stuff until I get tired, and then go to sleep.  I figure, why spend your time trying and failing...|||Well, actually, despite the fact that we are supposedly able to acheive world domination, I don't really feel like it would be a worthy pursuit.  I assume other INTJs either feel the same way, or...|||Sounds like the typical INTJ evil mastermind's childhood.  :wink:|||I have this too.  I stay up 'till all hours of the night taking notes about this, designing that, researching the other.  And not even for stuff related to school.  The next day I frantically work on...|||A little more on the subject.  I think surprisingly often (surprising to me, anyways) about immortality, and thus about death.  I think that, rather than fear death, we should be thankful for it in...|||I think words and actions both lie.  You just have to figure out which parts of what both of them are saying is real, and the patterns associated with each person or type of person, and you'll have...|||Hey, as some random Greek philosopher said:  Choose a job you like and you won't work a day in your life.  (Hey, there are way too many Greek philosophers for me to remember all of them, much...|||-return introvert fistbump-  I forgot to mention my reading stuff.  I read a LOT.  I learned to read books (like, the 10 page kids' ones) by myself at around 3 or 4 years old.  By 1st Grade, I was...|||When I'm exhausted, I can still think, but I start missing details a lot and because of that I often come to incorrect conclusions, or worse, sound like I don't know what I'm talking about.  Usually...|||That seems like a more complicated method of what I do in my head.  Possibly more effective too, but I'm not about to start studying until I know I need to.  It's a waste of time otherwise, IMO.|||My thought process:  1.  This thread is fun(ny). 2.  Latin!!!!????!!!! 3.  I LOVE LATIN OOOOOOH GOODNESS 4.  -laughs hysterically at poor translation from Latin- 5.  There was a question?   6....|||Oh my word, that's an incredible coincidence.  My teacher and a few classmates were just discussing that.|||Well, I feel like I don't really understand what you're trying to tell me, but assuming that my interpretation is correct, I would say you are doing something similar to what I do.  Especially when I...|||I take a certain amount of pride in my occasional bouts of succinctness. :cool:|||Speaking is an action.|||This.  I see no point in worrying about the inevitable, as my time is better spent on other things.  Slightly ironic, as from an atheistic viewpoint it ultimately doesn't matter how you spend your...|||I shut up and refrain from talking when I'm around a girl I like.  As has been mentioned, it is not because I DON'T like her (I just said I did, duh), but because...well, here's my logic.  I fear...|||So this is the venting thread.  Time to vent.  Fourth day of Spanish class.  Extrovert teacher is extroverted.  And expects everyone else to be as well. :bored:  Everyone in class got a Spanish...|||I was very...strange.  Two things that stand out to me are that I disagreed with my father a LOT, because his favorite reason for me to do things was because I told you to do it, which was not a...|||Well I certainly don't.  That's my PROBLEM.  Just asking my own question here, but what should I do when girls that I'm good friends with start liking me?  And I don't like them that way?  I'm...|||Each one of those describes me either with 100% accuracy (1,2,3,4,6,8,10,12,13), or 0% accuracy (5,7,9,11).  Specifically regarding self-help books, I find them to be a useful source of information...|||Breathe?  Well, I suppose being biological organisms, we have to.  But I think many of us would prefer not breathing.  I would.  I mean, it would decrease the overall amount of noise I make, I could...|||I joined Facebook enthusiastically, but was disappointed.  At first, I got to find and talk to lots of people that I hadn't seen for years.  But the conversations stagnated, and nothing came out of...|||This.  Exactly this.|||The only time I would willingly sacrifice my life was if someone I really REALLY cared about was in trouble, or if I knew I was going to die soon anyways.  It's hard to say anything more without a...'