Hmm…kept my post to (what I think is) the SO idea of 'connection' because I have to think more about the other instinct stuff.     Ah, I think we mean different things. 'Connection' for me is...|||Not being an SX-first, I don't know if my word on this is that valid, but…that sounds SX-ish to me! I know that, even in text, SX-strong people can really make an impression on me because everything...|||I really just had to talk to people. I did with that with my Enneatype, too. To make sure that (1) I had my understanding correct and (2) I wasn't lying to myself because I wanted to be one type over...|||You're welcome :).   Yeah, I think it does make sense*— eventually, anyway. I know that it was confusing to me at first because I don't consciously think of SO things at all. I can be paranoid...|||I've heard that this is more an SO trait than an SX one; that SX is almost solely concerned with attraction/repulsion and not that kind of consideration of others. I'm not an SX-dom, though, so I...|||Here's a discussion on the instincts.   Excerpt:    There still seems room for confusion or blurring, though. The first and third variants can potentially get associated with shame and/or...|||Yeah, it was me, haha.|||If it helps any, the descriptions aren't very useful. Enneagram strikes me as useful only as a self-diagnosing tool. 'Where does all my focus go and why? What am I fixated upon in life? What...|||About SOC instinct: I've heard it as keeping an eye on the pulse of a group. If you then take this information and use it to be compliant to the group, then that's up to the person, their...|||I actually thought he was an ISTJ.|||I agree a lot with caffiene_buff's stuff on SX but perhaps to a lesser extent since SX is my second instinct (— I'm SO/SX). E.g. (taking caffiene_buff's points as a guide):    SO/SX: I feel...|||I don't know if this is helpful. A fellow INTP (I think) and professor mentioned that she thought in 3000 word portions. Maybe you could think of ideas that fit 3000 word portions and move them...|||Touché.   10char|||Maybe you should be careful about who you're trying to fool, haha. My ISTJ brother saw through an ENxP doing something like this pretty quickly. I got all the rage-y, derisive stories about it at the...|||I know what you mean about the mystery! And I certainly don't mind continuing :D. Just difficult to gauge over the interwebs whether the other person is still into it.   Yes, I think I know what...|||Hmm. I see what you both mean. Especially about what INFJs are capable of. And I certainly accept your point, darkewe, about the feeling functions being difficult to grasp especially since INTJ/Fi,...|||Ah, I see where you're coming from, I think. I disagree with your definition, though. Both Fi and Fe are internal compasses of a sort, I think. But one is concerned with the self first; Fe is...|||Mm. I think it's still very possible that LeelaWho's sister is an INTJ. And I don't see any reason why LeelaWho herself isn't an ISTJ.   ChanceyRose: From the sounds of it, the OP's sister is using...|||Okay. The only other thing I can suggest is maybe lean on your Fe a bit? INTJs and ISTJs share Fe as their seventh function. For my INTJ friend, there are two main functions to use when having to...|||There's no reason being on friendly speaking terms isn't possible. By no means are all INTJ/ISTJ relationships like that!   What are the arguments about, out of curiosity? If you'd prefer not to...|||That, too. I just figure this is an MBTI forum so people come looking for a specific kind of answer.   Plus, I don't see why function differences and asshole-ry can't work together to create a bad...|||I don't know if there's anything to be done. So far as I've seen, it's the Ni/Si difference. The INTJ and ISTJ I know are positively disposed to one another but it's pretty clear they're not going to...|||I like that your mood setting is currently 'paranoid' :P…|||To be fair to the INTPsx85I sometimes get the sense that they don't mean to sound troll-y.   But then, sometimes they do.|||My vote goes to the INTPs, lol. I think it's the inferior Fe. It makes Fe a magical, misunderstood thing for the INTP…and must therefore be prodded until understood. Trolling is a good way to do that.|||Hehe, well you invited a lot of talk for someone who wasn't expecting a friendly response :).|||Yes, I tend to think that Fi and Ti are similar. I've mutilated Rim's OP to show where Fi and Ti look similar—to me, who is also an INTP, anyway. I notice that INFJs employ their Ti differently.   ...|||I don't agree so much with the assessment of thinking ;) but I second everything else Rim says. It's definitely worth thinking about, Awesomeste.|||And even if Fi were about emotions, ENFPs have Fi, too, hehe.   Fi is a rational function. It's more to do with how and what you rationalise than it is about how you feel, per se.|||I'm less certain about Enneagram things but I think one of the core fears for the 4 is that there is something indefinably wrong with them and that this makes them different from everyone else. So, I...|||Lol! If you are really interested, you can certainly look into the functions. There's quite a bit written about how the types relate to the individual functions—how they show up and things. I think...|||Oh, no. If you are an INFP, it wouldn't be too odd to be more aware of your Si. Fi and Si would reinforce one another. One is a judging function; the other is a perceiving one. Si creates a database...|||ENFP as per my first feeling. If you use Fi but lead with Ne…well, that's what the letters mean! Ne-Fi-Te-Si. But, yeah. Just my impression.|||I think it's a common mistake to make :P. The 'J' at the end is not a function (just like the 'I/E' is not a function). It tells you which function is extraverted…not which is dominant. 'J' at the...|||Oh, I realised I didn't say explicitly. I was thinking ENFP.   If you feel that Fi, Ne and Si are your main functions, though, that's INFP.   The way you're talking about yourself still don't...|||Mm, yes. I did see that. The thing is 'E' and 'I' in MBTI doesn't mean 'socially extraverted/introverted'. They refer to the functions. Ne =/= socially extraverted. It's a way of dealing with...|||Well, you seem awfully willingly to just come here and brainstorm ideas. That seems more perceiver/Ne-like to me. INFPs are (introverted) judgers first…and they tend to strike me as having a greater...|||I think you had better hear about it from someone else. I'm obviously not doing a very good job of it.     There are schools of thought that don't think the tritype or trifix is useful and that...|||Haha, you have a point. But in a way, it is what you are suggesting, too. It is simply a way to relate to other people—a way of saying to yourself, 'Factoring in different circumstances, a different...|||I feel that you're not quite grasping the bigger picture here about the motivations. If you mean only to negate the details of what I put forward, then we won't get anywhere.   You did make some...|||The purpose of my post was to suggest that your understanding of 3s was limited. The details I provided were in support of that purpose. I was also more interested in providing information than I was...|||Read fiction?   Actually, I thought empathy would be pretty easy for INTPs to pick up. Empathising Fi just seems like the people-version of Ti. If you can figure out a person's motivations and...|||Both. The descriptions are too vague to give me anything but a rough sketch that needs refining. Then I find a real life example of the type and keep them as my default model until I find others to...|||To be honest…I think so does every other 3. If I'm right in my estimation, 3s go far, far beyond compliments. It's not as though 3s don't take pride in their work. They have to. Their self-esteem...|||You seem to be leaning toward ESFP, so—I really don't know how anyone could persuade anyone with regards to MBTI. You either get interested in the functions, or just treat it as a broad 'personality'...|||ESFP?     Lol! I wonder why.|||Then we are kind of in agreement, haha!   Anyway, my stance with regards the original post: unhealthy types can look like almost anything, depending on what shadow functions they're leaning on. To...|||I'd agree with that. Haha! I don't know if I'd even be comfortable enough with my Te-Ni to look anything like an ENTJ x.x. Way too difficult. As for the SFJ bit…well, I outlined those instances in my...|||Ah, I see what you mean. I was assuming that the original post was only taking the first four functions into account since we were talking about ESFJ-looking INTPs. I know that some theories do...|||I agree with this statement. I actually don't like making such a big distinction between healthy/unhealthy, shadow/not-shadow behaviour. I think part of the reason so many people mis-type is because...