'Rock the Casbah.|||I am humbled by your genius.   Boss level pun. hahaha|||Rock != definition of rock. True.  I still wouldn't define a rock as A squishy, edible tuber highly prized for baking cakes.   That's just inviting problems.  By cited definitions, Reality...|||@DarkBarlow   My point is that I really do find that thoughts are objects. You can pick them up, drop them, observe them, compare them, build them up, break them down. The thoughts and beliefs you...|||That was my point, yes.  The argument was made that they are different fundamental things. I was attempting to point out the difficulty in supporting that idea. They appear in different forms, but...|||All the same thing. =) Much simpler now. Lol.|||So they are objects of thought as opposed to objects of the senses, then?   Do they have a different source?   Just a thought: Treating Thoughts as Material Objects Can Increase or Decrease Their...|||Perhaps for some. For me it's interesting.   I enjoy life quite a bit, thank you; although not because I'm not going to die in a war... is that real enjoyment?  Well at least I'm not doing some...|||I find practicality to be a worthy ideal.   I find it impractical to use contradictory definitions.   Using one hand to build a house won't prevent you from building a house; it'd be more...|||I'm unsure if you're saying this as a sort of extrapolative support of what I am saying, but that's pretty much how I see it.   The map is not the territory, and we can't know the territory, we...|||Glad we are in agreement. The standard definitions which I cited don't make much sense.|||@Stickman    To be honest, all that I really perceive in your post is a bunch of overcomplicated false dichotomies. Thanks for sharing, though. I'll try to put myself in your mental shoes when I...|||Precisely! =)   Although I tend to think in more of a Wim Hoff, maybe Shaolin Monk type of direction, than Goku.   Perhaps Goku, eventually, though. =) Give me a few lifetimes.|||At the party I'm the one playing the music, and after that I'm either being intimate with a person from the party or a book and some tea. =P I'm not at all worried about it, nor am I at all worried...|||Lol I made a typo in the thread title.   That's a bit upsetting.|||Has anyone else ever realized how we appear to be getting programmed with this bullshit dichotomous definitions about the very nature of the world itself?    Check it (All definitions via Google):...|||Godel's Incompleteness Theorems, man. I say it again and again but it's really all you need if you can wrap your head around its multiple dimensions.|||Hahaha. Right! Not only are you already a time traveler; it's by time traveling that you're able to experience the Universe in a sequential manner at all, but because each point in time is its own...|||In a sense, but you're coming at the idea from a perspective within which time is integral. You're talking about growth, which is a bit like if I were to say isn't time objective because it's...|||In a psychological sense; yes. It exists because we experience it. However, the idea is more that mechanically speaking it isn't an objective process in the Universe. Time doesn't exist outside...|||nobruisesonherego Interesting! Did you read my little post about this very thought process?   We come from similar spaces.  ...|||I'll write a longer response to this question, as it is interesting. As I have to get going soon, though, I'll just say:  I find in Science the truth that the mind is a useful tool in guiding and...|||Precisely. Godel's Incompleteness; all knowledge must be based on unprovable axioms. Knowledge is the extrapolated product of a belief in an axiom which is itself unprovable. If you believe one...|||Exactly. For the record, I do not believe the experience is in any way meaningless. In fact I feel the ideas within this thread grant a greater depth of meaning and appreciation for life and...|||In any case, I had a thought process last night, after sharing these ideas.   I, personally, rarely say that I know anything. I prefer to say I believe things. This is partly because of this...|||@Iama @Carlton You have both stated that no matter one's mental state, you cannot believe away pain.   First off, I cite an individual whose mental state allows him to do just that:  ...|||I've come to very much this same conclusion, myself.|||Let's have some fun.   According to Wikipedia (On Epistemology);  Whether someone's belief is true is not a prerequisite for (its) belief. On the other hand, if something is actually known, ...|||Annnnddd this is exactly what I am saying.   The divergence is semantics. It's just on how we are defining real, and how (in my mind) it appears as though you are shifting your definition of...|||Also, the analogy of the dream here works well.   You dream at night, you're creating a Universe of sorts. I would say it's not that you create the dream upon falling asleep and then cease...|||Somewhat mitigated in my mind by the idea that only the moment exists. The creation happens every moment, as the time we use to relate to the rest of the creation is part of the creation. It isn't...|||=)  Actually, my favorite analogy for these sorts of things is Tolkienic myth. Eru Illuvatar!  You might read the Silmarillion with these thoughts in mind and see what connections can be made of...|||Hahaha yea. This thread is actually quite old. I'm mostly here for new conversations and explorations, not so much to inform, so I won't be sending you anywhere.   On informing people being an...|||DarkBarlow  Very interesting to reread this thread and our conversations in it. It's been years. It's nice to feel change, feel like I wouldn't have said some things or maybe don't think entirely...|||Let us forgo such formal and dichotomous notions as 'correct' and 'incorrect' in this discussion, no? Your inductions are correct for you given your thought processes and viewpoint; I'm sure you will...|||I prefer to think of even the ebb and flow as a product of experiencing the Universe as a component rather than as the whole mind that we actually are.   It reminds me of Kirchoff's laws in...|||Never staying out of trouble! =) I'd hope you're not playing it too safe! =P  Indeed I feel this is very true within a certain paradigm of thought, I feel you are correct as it relates to our...|||If time is indeed not an objective process in the Universe, but rather a subjective perception; it would not appear to be possible for the brain to be the source of consciousness. As the brain is...|||Some will answer.   Some already have.     For my whole life I have been driven to distill. To question everything  I come across and attempt to break it down into its most essential and ...|||Love your darkness, for it makes you whole.|||Wait until you get to the Wheeler-Dewitt equation. =P  Also, Godels' Incompleteness Theorems, once again. It actually is interesting in that it has a few levels of understanding. At first glance it...|||I think a lot of people SEE INFJ's as flirtatious, but you're really the only person who can decide that, right?   The Ni/Fe tandem requires a sort of connection in order to function correctly,...|||Understand Godels Incompleteness Theorem and you understand why it isn't possible.  A system is finite and possibilities are infinite. No equation or idea can ever encompass infinity. Of course...|||162002  Relevant.|||I'd say it'd be perfection.   The shadow of Ti is that it wants the perfect explanation, perfect system, and perfect answer, one with no contradictions and with impeccable and unassailable logic. ...|||We are generally selective, but not in the way INFJs tend to be.  We also really like word play for the sake of it, and sometimes that comes across as flirtatious. (It usually kinda is. hahaha)...|||Ti motivated by wealth?   With all due respect, brother; that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time.|||Be careful.   While it isn't true for all INTP's, those who are in tune with their Si are pretty damn good at reading expressions. People often think I'm psychic by the way I can pick up on what...|||It's not an opinion. =P However I understand the J mentality enough to understand why you take that stance.  I see a world in which all things are either equally imperfect or equally perfect. None...|||:: deep breath :: Reading this is bringing me back to my teens. It's funny because I've acted similarly towards people I actually really liked when I was younger, and I'll never know if they felt...'