'Well, actually I did read up on all of the types first. It doesn't take long, there are only nine after all. Most of them are so obviously NOT what I am (or ever have been) like that the process of...|||Oh don't misunderstand me at this: If I say 514, that doesn't mean I am just finished and wear it like a badge. It is only the beginning of the discovery process. It is that which the evidence points...|||Ah ok so there's quite a few combinations then if order matters. And I'd say that my current guess is 5-1-4 for me. Definitely the intellectual and I love my freedom to think how I please, so I will...|||Yep, I plan on going through all that material and the test. Good stuff, thanks! Reading about the 514's if its true, it would explain a whole lot. Eccentric and quirky only begins the story. Very...|||Paradigm Don't worry about me being confused with the tritypes. I'm more confused if there is an incomplete match (as is the case with pure 5 and pure 1 with me). There's no doubt that I've got...|||Wow, that's really interesting! I'm going to have to dig into this and figure it out. You may be right - I have some traits which I haven't mentioned yet which may apply to this heart side. As an...|||Ok so I understand the differences now and agree that you're probably right in that the types of one system are describing different things than the types of another system. Correlations are bound to...|||I'm new to the Enneagram side of typology, so I'm seeking a bit of insight. From what I've read, there's some dispute as to the whole wing theory part of it, but I understand it as that your w...|||Still waiting for that evidence, hotshot. I say your paradigm is false and you need to change it. You just don't realizes you're wrong.   Put up or shut up.  Maybe you'd like to explain for us...|||Its well known that under high stress, we can exhibit traits of our demon function (seriously who comes up with these names?) which is our 8th function or rather, the reverse polarity of our...|||Real quickly, as I'm getting ready for a busy day and can't reply to more than one thing:   Ahhhh!  I see. Well that's very interesting but there is an alternative explanation. What you're seeing...|||Whoo boy I go do other things for two days and the fire hasn't died down here at all.  Much of this is going to sound unfairly harsh to wiarumas . I replied in sequential order, and I know he...|||The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that the two are mutually inclusive. God is the inventor of marriage, and he sets up the parameters of what makes it work. People...|||@LostFavor Thank you for that. I'm approaching this as a topic with her. Dialog is slow-going recently due to her extra busy schedule. ENTJs seem to love them some intense work, eh? ;)  I did explain...|||See what I mean? Why do so many of you people insist that the gender roles are wrong? God says that this is the way it is, and that settles it. Its the way he designed men and women to be in...|||Belladonne Yes, I will grant that I do have a strong tendency to over-think things. And yes, INTJs are very prone to this, because being Ni dominant can REALLY make you do this. In my particular...|||Inadequate? Seriously? I am most certainly not inadequate. I don't feel inadequate either. What possible area of being a husband might I feel inadequate in? I can't think of any.  But I am...|||I understand your definition of general leadership and I agree with it. That's great. The role the Bible gives the husband as head is a lot deeper than that though. Its not about success and...|||No time to properly reply to everything now, but I have to say... y'all are definitely reinforcing my false stereotype that ENTJs are all cold blooded and insensitive by default. Man, and I thought...|||I never said anything about condemning the Old Testament. I was talking about the culture of the day which was far, far from the original commandments of God.  Jesus revolutionized everything in...|||This isn't about tradition. I hate tradition. Its about following our authority who is God, and playing out the roles which he has set for us.  Besides  *shudder*... ISFJ and ESFJ are the two most...|||Yeah that's why I said both people are hoping for male leadership. Headship, really. Being the head is a servant/leader role. The wife's role is lover/helper. Its gender roles we both believe in...|||Question for anyone who might know... So, I'm getting to know a woman online for a potential relationship, and from how she describes herself and her life, she sounds a whole lot like an ENTJ to me....|||I just wanted to mention something which I don't see talked about much but I think may be observed.  Sometimes I think there are pairs of functions which never show up in the same person, but...|||@reckful wow I'm genuinely surprised to hear that. From what I've seen and read, I would have guessed that the Jungian function theories are on more solid ground than the MBTI letter theories. And...|||No defenders eh? So, is the general consensus of MBTI fans that MBTI is pop psychology and not to be taken seriously? I would have thought on this forum if anywhere, people would speak up about its...|||How can there be a middle ground between INTP and INFP? The two types are miles apart in terms of cognitive functions. Either you have massive Ti and pretty much no Fi, or you have massive Fi and...|||Well, it could be demonstrated that any field of interest or study, which has enthusiasts is going to be misrepresented by a fair number of them. That isn't any more a discredit than a credit to...|||I truly don't see how anything I said could be considered talking down to you. I never mentioned you by name in any of my comparisons; and generalities I've made are established facts. So what was...|||I've noticed in more than a few places, the apparent disdain for MBTI personality typing and discussion. For example, bringing it up in a public discussion as a side topic will get comments like...|||I don't think its particularly high standards to expect kids to obey their parents. Sure kids misbehave but not to this extent unless the family has some serious problems. Also, just because the...|||bing! That's it, thanks. You hit the nail dead on I think.  It would be pretty sad if she forced the latter Plan B idea though eh.  But yeah, she may not be interested in changing, and for the...|||Oh good grief no.  I didn't expect y'all to take anything like that personally. To clarify, I was trying to say that if you mistype someone, and then observe their behavior, that they can appear...|||To flesh out the context a bit more (since we've gone off the rails just a bit, due to a lack of detail) the father in this situation does generally end up picking up the slack here. And you're...|||It was a simple question to a legitimate problem. The details were to provide that context which you say is everything. If you don't have an answer, then lets see if maybe someone else does. :dry:...|||Out0fAmmo ok well, as an INTJ, I also share auxiliary Te and tertiary Fi with the ISTJ, so I know how that feels. Yet I tend to think that I'm very nurturing to my six year old daughter. But I had to...|||Just had a long conversation with my INTP buddy regarding his wife, who we have long assumed to be an ISFJ who is mysteriously very unlike the stereotypical ISFJ. After some discussion, we came to...|||You actually have leveraged your bad luck. For example, you are impatiently waiting for an important phone call. So you go use the toilet because you know it will increase the likelihood that you'll...|||I have a hard time imagining a socially awkward ESFP. Thoughts?|||Weird hybrid - probably why we can't nail it down. That's the thing about fictional characters. They can be written to be anything. Its amazing any of them have MBTI consistency at all.  Regarding...|||Don't be silly - Its not a want as much as its an observation. I don't think Ne people are necessarily crazy; I've made a fair number of ENFP friends on this board. But Se doms are pretty...|||I think what you're describing as Se is actually Te. Think of the ENTJ, and their dominant Te. Its that extremely tangible, pragmatic, execution of ideas (from Ni) which is so very visible in the...|||I did a video project today, which was rather fun since I had some time on my hands and wanted to experiment with the video editor. Essentially the video (split into 2 parts due to size) shows the...|||Regarding the whole ESFP/ENFP thing - I did not see any ESFP in Anna in the movie. ESFPs are entertainers and attention seekers. They love being in front of people and soaking up attention. Remember,...|||Just watched this movie for the first time today with my six year old daughter, and I immediately thought of ENFP with Anna. I was undeniably drawn toward her character, which makes sense because I...|||Oh I understand that most journals are somewhat narcissistic. But if I may make a minor quote:  About 50% of the journal is written supposedly from God's perspective. She truly and sincerely...|||@luemb Yes thanks. I have considered that myself, but because I do not know what the Lord's intentions are in terms of who's job it is to find the right woman (his or mine) I have decided that if its...|||The chilling thing is - you hit the nail on the head. No emotions. Lies like its second nature. It was my error in describing her as a psychopath, as I sometimes forget the distinction. The former is...|||bethdeth I am forming an image in my mind based on what you're saying that explains a whole lot, and in the process is actually assisting in further self discovery. Thanks.  I've got some new...|||Your intentionally slanderous objections are starting to look a bit tepid. Are you sure you can't come up with something that has a bit more sting to it? Come on, you have a reputation to uphold. ...'