'Am I the only INTJ who repeatedly gets mistaken for an extrovert because she has methodically built good relationships (at least working ones) with virtually everyone at work?  people don't seem to...|||Even if it were intuitive or spiritual, clarity would most certainly figure.|||that quite made me goggle with disbelief! :) okay, so then what characterises the kind of thinking you're referring to? what is the spectrum like from the lowest to higher levels? and are you sure...|||this is about something i noticed at my workplace.   2 people were having a rather 'typical' conversation in that it followed a format typical to them.   please keep these descriptions in mind...|||somehow, this is the information hierarchy (so to speak) that i think exists:   Data (the most basic kind of information) Data + basic elaboration = Information Information + dimensions and...|||this question is pointless... haven't we already made the choice? :wink:|||i can almost relate...just one question: are you sure you're reading the tone correctly? is it that they're trying to reassure you or that tying to tell you to back off a bit and not be so...|||i deeply disagree with the descriptions and misleading crappola that talk about our manipulativeness and love of playing puppet master. the INTJs i know in reality are not like this. we don't tell...|||when you're alone and feeling lonely, you can still hope and tell yourself that the ideal is unaffected - it's theoretically possible to have that one really good bond, it just hasn't happened yet in...|||mob violence. there's just nothing you can do if a mob decides to attack you. i can't remember the last time i was part of the majority in anything, and there's no reasoning or interacting with a mob...|||i've a suggestion for the perc android app: there doesnt seem to be a way to exit without logging out. so unless you brute force the application and exit, you need to sign in each time. can you...|||at work:  But... that doesn't even make sense! (in a slightly appalled tone, when someone i'm mentoring blabbers)  Don't tell me why you like the design, tell me why it works (when i'm teaching)...|||i would like to share more specific observations on the topic i raised, so i'm going ahead and posting again. also, i feel the sense in which i'm referring to INTJ love being masculinised is being,...|||i don't know about the rest of you guys, but i'm starting to get this slight reality warp sort of feeling hearing the forum talk about us when we're in love.   i'm intj and i'm a woman. i don't buy...|||skilled. and i make it a point to drive better than most men i know because cliches about women drivers piss.me.off.   Yes and yes.   aggressive if someone else is discourteous or idiotic a...|||just because a broken toaster didn't kill anyone before, it doesn't mean it can never happen. stop being so obsessed with reality! it's just another construct yknow... a collaborative illusion.|||uses the abbreviation emo and american spellings - criticize. innnteresting. and what she seeks is knowledge. probably another frustrated grad student in the us searching for a way to connect...|||i'm sure there will be some very impressive serious thoughts on this thread, but i feel like being flippant right now:   that religion was like your panties. it ain't good form to flaunt it in...|||ah thanks. then i'm one of you/us. so the first question stands.   unless you're talking about nerdy indepth research about areas of interest which yes i do. only today a colleague was making round...|||dedicated, supposed-to-be-insightful, sticky threads about INTJs becoming arbitrary spam centers :(|||what kind of experiences?   osso.. i read that 458 was the same as 548/854. is that true?|||As far as poss, this is probably my process:   first check: do they really want advice or do they need to just vent.  then if it's the latter...   identify all the elements  identify how they...|||NaughyChimp: interesting observation re touch being more significant to our type.   mine is too is primarily physical touch. second is quality time (ennea 8 happening there?) and then close behind...|||my sister, who is an INTP, is the only person I can really speak my mind to - and be understood, and not shock her. She's the only other person I know who gets it when a perspective is just about...|||when having an endearment thrown at you (especially dear) randomly by people you consider relative strangers makes you cringe and wonder how people use words so loosely...|||Pink Floyd's Hey you - open your heart, i'm coming home.  'tis the 8w7 sx anthem!|||854: http://www.just-marvel-x-men.com/image-files/astonishing-x-men-cyclops-2.jpg :))|||most certainly there can be.  my sister, one of the people i'm closest to, is probably sp. i'm pretty emphatically (like in all things!) sx. we're close because of the space we've built as adults...|||SX: i have constantly battled with my impulse to push to know the other person when i am interested in them. i see such a person hiding something from me when we're supposed to be close, i...|||http://images.cryhavok.org/d/2679-3/LOLcat+-+flying+bitchslap.jpg  i keep thinking of this and chuckling to self. somehow, nobody around me seems to think it's all that funny.|||Jennywocky, you are an amazingly understanding person! :)     well... fragmented in the sense that sometimes there are pieces in the present that just don't fit with the mental self-concept. for...|||not a-tall! i don't give a damn about validation and i'm pretty uncomfortable with being in the spotlight.  :)|||Jennywocky: thank you so much... your response was very understanding. i keep thinking this is a ridiculous amount of emotion to feel, that normal people move on and don't feel disabled like this by...|||hey. i've been struggling to come to grips with this ever since my divorce (about 3 years ago now). if someone can help, i'd be SO grateful.  ever since the divorce, each time i go out with more...|||i wasn't bullied in school as much as regarded as a sort of freak. i could hold my own against all the teasing because most of it was good-natured, and the parts that weren't i could ignore in...|||when i was young i used to completely tune out the world because i was daydreaming... a bus driver once got out of his vehicle to pinch me into awareness because i hadn't even heard him honk when i...|||oh dear. i'm high mach too. and i didn't pick any extreme stances (or i don't think i did). i think this thing casts cynicism as evil intent!|||i wasn't tested at work, but i have persuaded some colleagues to take the test. as a result:  1). meetings are less frustrating because now at least i have a clear idea ahead of any meeting as to...|||Sanityhatesme: i used to be in a similar position from high school to college. i used to be everybody's counsellor. even people i didn't like, because basically they used to find me comforting to...|||counselling. only with clients who think in hyperdrive... kinda like House! :d|||YourVeryFlesh: OMG yesh!! i just realised i do that every time i order home delivery: check the list twice in my head, work out the total, check my wallet to see if i've correct change, or ensure...|||i'm somewhere in between:  when i've let someone into my innermost circle, it's usually not a deliberate decision - it's intuitive. and that's when reason kicks in screaming and howling doubts. the...|||oh good... i'd been meaning to ask this! i find other INTJs more comfortable to work with, while their INTJ-ness is not a guarantee of our being able to bond on a personal level. i know several INTJs...|||my happy making stuff: sunlight.  water bodies - especially seas and rivers and pools.  things and people who make sense. in the people dept, especially people who aren't trying to play games, who...|||i wouldn't at all agree in the first place that being self-centered is the same as being selfish. i think you're only selfish when you don't concede that everyone else also has a right to be...|||oh! just remembered - a good friend of mine, also an INTJ, has a tattoo as well. it's of a guitar. at first that seems a fairly ornery kind of symbol, but i personally think his love of music and the...|||i have a tattoo which i designed myself. i wanted to celebrate having made it out of one of the worst patches of my life. i also wanted to celebrate the feeling of being reborn and of getting over...|||for unforgivably deep hurt that was caused with vicious/deliberate intent?|||Thanks! Those were interesting answers. I can see most of you (like me) typically seem to use detachment and rationalisation as defense mechanisms. Discussion of this with the counsellor was what...|||i've caught this thread rather late but anyway...  i found when i was a teenager that i could effortlessly sense the chinks in people's armours. i just sort of intuitively sensed their vulnerable...'