'Honestly, the concept to me is hideous.  Because love is so conditional.  At least, this is how I experience it.  We don't talk much about the outer-world influence on 4s, and how...|||So....after the LONG journey into typology, personal therapy, and academic/intellectual exploration I am pretty confident that I am an IEE, not SEE (some kind of Fi-subtype, although, I have not...|||Red Magician  Well, I've never believed in a single truth, but I do think it is important to understand and honour the subjective truth of the individual.  However, the way I see it is that...|||Me. ^_^  Seriously, aren't they just extensions of evolutionary and biological maps of human development?|||Sorry for being scattered!  No, it's not a different persona, it's actually a split-off part of personality/identity. To try and explain.....  The human mind is pretty awesome. With dissociation,...|||@Lord Fenix Wulfheart  Sorry, I don't come on PerC often (only when I am in certain moods!)  I just want to say that what you said about multiplicity is very interesting and I agree! In fact, a...|||It is absurd.  But why?  The obvious in now a novelty?  What is this world?|||My husband (INTJ) found this soo funny. Every time I say kitkat in a cone, he pisses himself, lol.  I don't understand it but I do love it.  Kit Kat Ice Cream Cone is Seriously Just a Kit Kat...|||I forgive you.  Sort of.   Kind of.  This will be as good as it gets.|||So, many people have settled on their enneagram type. Some haven't.  It's all gravy. :crazy:  Let's talk about the NEXT option. Let's explore that....it might be interesting?  P.s. - I'm really...|||You ask whatever you want. :)  To clarify, I have not been diagnosed with DID, but I have been 'labelled as suffering from DDNOS, which may have changed it's name recently to OSDD-1 (I think). I...|||I should also talk about the fact that I have a dissociative organisation of personality, which is quite common for people with history of trauma. In simple terms, in means that I don't have a...|||For me, every model is just another tool in my arsenal. I don't believe that one way of viewing life is more superior to another. It's just a different fragment of perception and understanding. ...|||My heart is overflowing, full of rage and sadness.  the Grenfell tower tragedy strikes close to my heart. I spent the last two hours panicking about my fucking brother who lived there, only to be...|||I haven't, I'm afraid, I don't like those questionnaires!  I'm a practising therapist and I would  like to get get to the nitty gritty of things (when I say that in my British accent it sounds very...|||I am really interested in discussing my type right now. I have been in therapy for the past year and think it will be an interesting angle to bring to the self-typing process.   I don't expect...|||can I go back to Kintsugi please|||I'm a therapist and I feel there are different levels that I work with people.  For example, some people come to me and they have a specific problem they want to work on. We can use cognitive tools...|||For me, Enneagram is one of many tools that may be utilised in the process of self discovery/knowledge (I make the distinction here between the humanist's belief in the inherent goodness of humanity...|||Don't let the number be a guide.  You are stronger and more powerful than you realise.   Don't get stuck on this number. It's just a concept. It's a way we make sense of existence. Taking it...|||idk, 4 or 5?|||Sx being VERY sexual is a new and interesting concept to me! I was always told that it was about intensity and that confused me because I am extremely intense and, whist being typed sx-first by many...|||Ahh the conversations in this thread feel nostalgic. In a good way. ;)|||Unfortunately it is! It's a manifestation of spiritual bypassing, I believe. Seems more prevalent these days, perhaps because things like yoga and new-age self-help quick-fixes are all the range.|||I guess when I use the term ego I am thinking about self-concept. Almost like a self-ideology, if you will. I don't think ego is a bad thing, I completely disagree with the idea that in order to...|||Interesting.  I relate to the push/pull aspect but I'm not sure what my instincts are, lol. I suspect that contra-flow makes more sense for me but I've only really just started taking instincts...|||Another thought, I think trauma reactions can often look and be mistaken for reactive types when viewed through the lens of Enneagram. That said, perhaps there is a conversation to be had about...|||Interesting. Does this mean contraflow types are more likely to feel internally conflicted in some way?|||Yes, definitely.  I'm currently in therapy and working on overcoming my own issues related to complex trauma and I have found that it has complicated my typing process. I've recently only started...|||I've become an instinctual-stacking whore.   I feel like there is so much difference within type, with regards instinctual stacking. Yes, philosophically, I understand that the number is meant to...|||Enneagram is an interesting map of an aspect of reality. But it is just a map.  The map is definitely not the territory.|||One thing I would ask is how much trauma have you experienced in your life? Sometimes, we protect against trauma through numbing (dissociation), and this can lead to impulsive and intensity seeking...|||Alex the Kid|||Well, anger is emotion/feeling.|||You can be in denial and still think the world is full of evil. 8 is driven by anger, and something has to be driving that anger in the first place. They aren't apathetic like 9s.|||the rest seem good|||I would have thought the 8 response would be more intense/passionate (reactive type). 8 is about feeling as though the world has done you wrong, it's a very vindictive type and reactive type....|||Ask me questions, etc.  This seems interesting.|||Se|||well, Pink is xSFP before she is anything else.  I have seen arguments for 4 and 8. But all I see is the Se/Fi in some order.|||Cinton is just....hmmm. Well, she's a liar. Don't get me wrong. I ain't no Trump supporter, lol.  I think they all got issues that run deeper than typology.|||There are similar patterns, sure. I don't think it's helpful to compare the types.|||Stereotypes work from a disconnected and broad-view sense, sure.   You'll probably find that that when you start to get to know someone personally and intimately, that stereotypes fly out the...|||Donald Trump seems to have what we call a personality disorder which makes it hard to type him.|||For fun...  1. The righteous   2. The desperate  3. The mask/charlatan  4. The abandoned/alienated|||Well, of course.  You put anyone in any box and you fall prey to bigotry (c'est la vie). Calling someone a bigot is an interesting thing. What is bigotry? To me, it's about the inability to...|||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvvZsHwrngA   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFko_Xf-H30   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEOKgjoxoto|||Putting emotions aside to get the job done.|||Listen...   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJipvjt4w4   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEZxnAwbYbw   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaB-bkAWNfA|||Not a picture, a song (sorry!)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg90Okk0fhw'