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Our 5k-node cluster jobs recently started failing even before the e2e tests start. The reason is the step which checks that all kube-system pods are running is timing out: cc
From the scheduler logs I'm seeing that the pods are being scheduled quite slowly, getting worse with time: 2-3 pods/min looks quite bad. cc
Also finding such traces: Seems like most of the time is being spent in priority calculation.
From the pod spec, I'm seeing soft inter-pod anti-affinity at node-level topology: I'm almost sure this is the one causing the mischief. We've been having performance issues with anti-affinity traditionally :p
Ok... PR is the cause. It introduced anti-affinity to kube-dns. I think we should revert this change given known issues with anti-affinity. - Opinions?
FYI - it is taking 80m until the last pod is scheduled when I'm running 5k-node cluster locally.
That's quite unfortunate. It looks like we should revert the change until the anti-affinity change is scalable enough to be used more broadly, unless the scheduler folks have a target fix for this use case.
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We are very well aware of the performance issues in our affinity/anti-affinity functions, but I am not aware of a concrete solution at this point. This is partly due to the flexible design of affinity/anti-affinity concept. My humble opinion at this point is to drop some of the flexibility as they are rarely used, in order to streamline the algorithm and improve performance. Anyway, I think the proper solution to this problem needs more time than your requirements to address the issue in hand. So, you may want to change your configuration and drop the anti-affinity rule.
would it make sense to add a note to the anti-affinity user documentation to hint at performance problems at large scale, until this is fixed?
Re-opening this issue as this problem has struck again. The following runs of our 5k-node scalability jobs failed to bring up the cluster on time: https://k8s- https://k8s- https://k8s- https://k8s- And the reason is kube-dns pods pending to be scheduled for a long time:
These failures started happening about 4 days ago and I'm pretty sure it's this one: Add self anti-affinity to kube-dns pods Sadly, we'll have to revert it again for now :( cc - Seems like the improvements to anti-affinity performance made under weren't enough?
We need to find other improvements for the predicate. If we cannot find major improvement opportunities, we may have to change its design to be more scalable at the cost of the reducing its flexibility.
- my personal opinion is that we need to change the design anyway. Having it work both ways (i.e. existing pods everywhere impacting placing of our pod) will always be painful (especially for things like cluster autoscaler)
I agree. The symetrical application of anti-affinity is problematic. I also think we need to change it.
Great. - do you agree with that too?
, I'm wondering after some affinity/anti-affinity optimization in scheduler, do you think if it's fine to test coreDNS with anti-affinity policy in large cluster with 5000 nodes?
We probably should try to see where we are - but this requires testing before enabling that.
I agree with - Could we first try checking with a benchmark integration test () as a proxy for real cluster test?
I'm wondering how many real nodes are required for testing?
Since the integration tests fake out the nodes, I think it's safe to crank it up to 5000 (that's the current largest integration test benchmark size) I'm also hoping to refactor our benchmarks soon, so let me know if you have any thoughts about them.

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text: annotations: scheduler.alpha.kubernetes.io/critical-pod: '' spec: <del> affinity: podAntiAffinity: preferredDuringSchedulingIgnoredDuringExecution: - weight: 100 podAffinityTerm: labelSelector: matchExpressions: - key: k8s-app operator: In values: ["kube-dns"] topologyKey: kubernetes.io/hostname </del> tolerations: - key: "CriticalAddonsOnly" operator: "Exists"