Code change:
Two approvals, merging now.
The text currently says: It must by the Issuer's choice to support either x5c, jwt-vc metadata or both, this is also how HAIP defines it. Extending this thought, the Verifier has no means of understanding what the issuer supports, given that may be an HTTPS URI but no support is avaiblable for jwt-vc metadata. This is because is the best indicator but in Section 5 only described as RECOMMENDED. Proposal is that the Issuer may chose this and that the presence of in SD-JWT VC indicates jwt-vc metadata.
This is from HAIP: By following the HAIP text, I don't understand how an issuer can support both options in an SD-JWT VC? Can you give an example? Furthermore, DNS name is not a URI and strictly speaking is this not allowed as per SD-JWT VC where has to be a URI. For that reason, SD-JWT VC says that the value needs to be encoded using the dns URI scheme. I'm not saying SD-JWT VC should not be changed in that regards because I do see some potential for improvement and I think as well that an issuer might want to support both and that needs to be addressed. We should discuss ways how this can be achieved. But I don't think is appropriate for this to control whether a verifier fetches well-known or not. I would assume that a verifier will likely know which issuer ( value) to trust and also know if the issuer is part of some trust framework that supports well-known. If not, the verifier will have to try in the same way as they try other well-knowns. I don't see the need to connect the presence of with the presence of well-known if this is what you suggested. Furthermore, I believe your specific use cases is already supported by: using an HTTPS URI for the value hosting a well-known for that URI including a x5c header with a URI SAN entry that matches the value
I don't think using to indicate whether well-known is supported is a good solution. I don't think we need this indication for the reasons pointed out above. (we can discuss whether URI scheme is a good solution in general but this is a separate topic and whether we should not limit to be a URI)
NAME at least for using kid with openid federation is resonable, because that kid is resolved within a federation trust chain
I think there is nothing wrong with: using an HTTPS URI for the value hosting a well-known for that URI including a header with a URI SAN entry that matches the iss value adding to the header In that case, using the to indicate whether well-known is supported or not would not work because like NAME mentioned, apparently OpenID federation uses as well and I believe in that case, well-known is not required. Please correct me if I'm wrong. NAME Can you explain how OpenID federation resolves the ?
To be clear, the above is valid. To be clear, the above just means that using to control how the verifier has to resolve the key does not work because people using OpenID federation might not host a well-known endpoint but will also need a .
NAME sure, thank you for asking imagine the federation trust chain like an object, related to a subject (giuseppe, a trustable entity) linked to a trust anchor (a trusted party over all the others), wwhere in the middle we may have zero, one or more intermediaries between the subject (leaf) and trust anchor. the leaf's metadata can be overloaded by the statements within the chain, along the trust anchor. Therefore the jwks the leafs claims to use, and any other protocol specific metadata, can be dynamically overloaded within the trust chain, by applying the metadata policies. once the policies are applied, the resulting metadata is called final metadata and contains all the jwks related to an entity, for each protocol (since a federation entity configuration may have more than a single metadata creafted for a speicifc role, such as VCI, RP, OP and so on). using the final metadata, the kid is needed in the form of lookup parameter within the JWKs provided within the final metadata
the resolution of the kid is interesting we may have a discovery, using well known endpoints we may have a static trust chain, provided like a x.509 certificate chain
NAME To be even more clear, they might not host a SD-JWT VC Issuer Metadata well-known endpoint but they might host an OpenID Federation well-known endpoint.
Thank you for this elaboration! It means that in this case, you won't need SD-JWT VC Issuer Metadata well-known, right?
using federation the metadata must be signed and evaluated within the trust chain, therefore, yes, there are no direct dependencies with the SD-JWT VC Issuer Metadata well-known endpoint, even if these two can cohexist within the same entity.
I'm supportive of changing value requirements for the following reasons: using could be a bit misleading using to match against the SAN DNS value is error prone (some devs might forget to do and instead do ) and perhaps misleading if does not exist (although the domain exists). Perhaps an edge case but it might have security implications.
to chage the requirement to be not a URI but a string for cases when is a DNS SAN value? the point of in HAIP was that the issuer can use the same value in sd-jwt vc to support various key resolution mechanisms - web-based key resolution (.well-known/jwtvcissuer with or without openid federation) or x509. so I am supportive of keeping a URI in sd-jwt vc, but change the scheme to as opposed to regarding your points 2 and 3, for example, in HAIP, the idea was for the issuer to support both key resolution mechanisms, so the chance of devs forgetting doing is low, and the verifier supporting x509, would have to extract dns name from as part of validations steps, so I see your points, but still think the the benefits of the same with different key resolution mechanisms is strong.
I support this, see my reasoning here: URL
NAME and I chatted briefly and are leaning towards keeping the requirement on iss to be a URI while using an https scheme for both key resolution mechanisms.
NAME said she might have some suggested text or a PR along those lines
NAME I'm going to work on this tomorrow (hopefully) so if you have anything that might help in that effort, please comment or post it or whatever works.

Related discussion:
text: 6. <del> A type is associated with metadata defining, for example, information about the type, a schema defining which claims MAY or MUST appear in the SD-JWT VC, and how they can be displayed. </del> <ins> A SD-JWT VC type, i.e., the value, is associated with Type Metadata defining, for example, information about the type or a schema defining (see schema- definition) which claims MAY or MUST appear in the SD-JWT VC. </ins> This section defines Type Metadata that can be associated with a type <del> of a SD-JWT VC as well as a method for retrieving the Type Metadata </del> <ins> of a SD-JWT VC, as well as a method for retrieving the Type Metadata </ins> and processing rules.  This Type Metadata is intended to be used, among other things, for the following purposes: <del> Applications using Type Metadata defined in this specification are called "Consumers" in the following.  This typically includes Issuers, Verifiers, and Wallets. </del> <ins> Type Metadata can be retrieved as described in retrieving-type- metadata. </ins> 6.1. All examples in this section are non-normative. <del> Type Metadata about the value of a </del> <ins> The following is an example of an SD-JWT VC payload, containing a </ins> <del> claim value can be retrieved as described in retrieving-type- metadata. </del> <ins> claim with the value </ins> <del> Here, the type is </del> <ins> : </ins> <del> . The Type Metadata is retrieved from the URL </del> <ins> Type Metadata for the type </ins> <del> . </del> <ins> can be retrieved using various mechanisms as described in retrieving- type-metadata.  For this example, the well-known URL as defined in retrieval-from-vct-claim is used and the following Type Metadata Document is retrieved from the URL : Note: The hash of the Type Metadata document shown in the second example must be equal to the one in the </ins> <del> The following is an example for a Type Metadata document: </del> <ins> claim in the SD-JWT VC payload, . </ins> 6.2.