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They wrote:
>In article <6cd0d9$h2b$1@nw003t.infi.net>,
>Aaron Wessells <wessells@richmond.infi.net> wrote:
>>The problem is that almost none of these moves can be refuted in only one
>>moves or even a few moves.  It is only apparent in the middle-game where
>>these time-wasting moves will hurt you.
>
>Well...  I just can't accept such a broad generalization.  Without
>further evidence, it would seem equally possible that one of the "time
>wasters" could someday be developed into a new opening.  With so much
>emphasis on extending known lines, and apparently without standard
>refutations of these few unknowns, isn't it likely that we're missing
>something?  Any examples from experience or from published games
>appreciated.
>
>>Jeffrey A. Young wrote in message <6ccva1$8p1@ultra0.rdrc.rpi.edu>...
>>>After 1 e4 e5, there are 29 legal moves for white's 2nd move.
>>>Only 7 of these seem to be considered acceptable/interesting
>>>enough to be given names and included in books on openings.
>>>What about the rest?  Are they ALL horrible?  Even if so, it
>>>would seem an interesting/instructive/easy task to come up with
>>>the best single-move refutations for each one.  Any takers?
>>>
>>>Also, which "acceptable" 2nd moves am I missing, if any?
>>>
>>>2 Bb5 Portuguese Opening
>>>2 Bc4 Bishop's Opening
>>>2 Nc3 Vienna Game
>>>2 Ne2 Alapin's Opening
>>>2 Nf3 various
>>>2 d4  Center Game
>>>2 f4  King's Gambit
>>>
>>>It seems that a3, b3, g3, and h3 would not be so bad.
>>>How about c3, d3, and f3?
>>>
>>>The remaining 15:
>>>  a4, b4, c4, g4, h4,
>>>  Be2, Bd3, Ba6?,
>>>  Qe2, Qf3, Qg4, Qh5,
>>>  Ke2,
>>>  Na3, Nh3
>>>
>>>Jeff
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Subject: Re: Unknown Openings?
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The question of immediate interest is: "Do I want to come up with a
definitive answer, by myself (or with friends), for one of the "time waster"
moves, and how would I/we go about it?"
Take, for example, [after 1.e4 e5] the move 2.a3.  The initial difficulty
would be in finding the resulting position in any of the currently available
large databases.  Maybe a few games could be found, but not many.  So then
what else could you try?  Another try would be to create a database
consisting of games in which: (a)  white pawns were on a3 and e4, but not on
a2, e2, and e3, and where a black pawn was on e5 but not on e7 and e6 and
(b)  only a few moves [let's arbitrarily pick six for each side] had been
played.  Then it would be a matter of searching for ways to transpose into
those positions without playing dumb moves.   Still, this would only be the
beginning and it would take a lot of work to produce a practical opening
repertoire based on the "time waster" sequence.  Obviously, if the analyst
were a GM, then the results would have a better chance of legitimacy.
Maybe someone else has some ideas on how this CHESS ANALYSIS task could be
performed to produce a definitive (i.e.:  non-speculative) answer as to the
merit or lack thereof of a given "time waster" move?
Jeffrey A. Young wrote in message <6cd38h$8sm@ultra0.rdrc.rpi.edu>...