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assistant: From: hheagy@delphi.com
Subject: treatment of dog guide users
As some of you know, a Canadian lady attending the N.F.B.
convention in New Orleans was bodily thrown out of a cab upon
attempting to return to the airport because the cab driver
refused to accept her guide dog to which she refused to leave the
cab.  The cab driver's trial was due to begin yesterday August 20
but it has now been moved back to September 30th.
The Iranian cab driver gave as his reason that in the Islamic
faith dogs are considered highly unclean and he refused to take
it for religious reasons.  I do not know the woman's name or the
name of the attorney handling the case.  I'll keep you posted.
Harvey
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assistant: Jim here is a different perspective from someone who lives in a state
where they don't have a federation sponsored center.  I think the
Colorado folks did a smart thing in that the director of the Colorado
Center was not the state President.  I think it was a smart move
organizationally because we need to maintain our independence as an
advocate.  I think we need more federation centers around the country
because considering the fact that there are only 4 centers in the
entire country and the need for quality rehabilitation is so great.
How do we solve these gargantuan problems while maintaining our
independence as an advocacy organization.  I hope we don't have a
repeat of the Iowa experience in some of these states.
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assistant: The alt.disney newgroup is a good place.  There is already some there,
especially in the "Disney hurts blind people" and "Disney hurts sighted
people" threads.
Good luck.  It can be fun.
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assistant: The alt.disney newgroup is a very good place.  Most of it is there.
Go to it.
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assistant: Harvey,
It never ceases to amame and amuse me how people who cannot get the votes
always blame those who can as being undemocratic.  I didn't see the beginning
of this, so I don't know what your problem is.  However, I do know that
crying "undemocratic" about it won't help.
As someone who has stood for election every two years since 1974, I can tell
you the way to get elected (or get someone you favor elected ) is to get out
and work at it.  Don't cry about it.  If others don't agree with you, then
you better wonder about your position.
It's like the Republicans cried about lack of democracy and the need for term
limits when the Democrats held the majority in Congress for 30 years.  It's
funny how everything was suddenly democratic and the need for term limits
disappeaed when they finally won.
It is the same in the Federation.
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assistant: From: Buddy Brannan - KB5ELV <davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: fighting magoo on the internet
Check out also "How to quesiton assumptions", "Freedom of speech", "Should
Disney be censored", etc.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | Voice: (512) 441-3246
with Karl and Zoe!...        | davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
=================================================================
It's OK to be mean to the evil people
Who make life unbelievable,
But try to be nice to me. --The Nields
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user: You are replying to Kevin Larose about "Re: Conflict of Interest".

They wrote:
KL> Harvey does raise a good point here.
KL> You allude to the "democratic nature"
KL> of the Federation, but I totally fail
KL> to see that. There is absolutely no
KL> way a powerful state President,
KL> especially one in a state where one of the
KL> NFB training centers is located, could
KL> be even challenged, much less
KL> defeated, in an election. She has the
KL> job for as long as she wants it, no
KL> matter what happens.

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assistant: On 15 Aug 97 12:18, Kevin Larose wrote:
Hi, Kevin.
First, I note you have an "eskimo" address.  Are you in the
Seattle area?  If so, have you attended a NFB of Greater Seattle
chapter meeting?
Second, an affiliate president holds office only so long as s/he
wants the office and the electorate will have him/her.  I know; I
*am* an affiliate president.  I'm gone tomorrow if the electorate
doesn't want me.  My only real weapon is the power to persuade.
(President Truman noted this of the Presidency of the United
States also.)  Use of other strategems to maintain so-called
control generally backfires. In turn, my power to persuade rests
upon my ability to form my arguments logically and persuasively
and upon the respect that the electorate holds (or does not hold)
for me.  If I'm not persuasive or if I've lost the respect of the
affiliate membership, I'm history!
Mike Freeman
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user: You are replying to Wq6R about "Re: Conflict of Interest".

They wrote:
Wq> I have attended two national NFB
Wq> conventions, and several NFB of
Wq> California conventions, and have never
Wq> seen anything that resembles an
Wq> open election, unless you consider
Wq> elections in the old Soviet Union to be
Wq> open. It would be physically
Wq> impossible to nominate anyone from the floor,
Wq> and the incumbants are already lined
Wq> up at the podium before the election
Wq> even starts.

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assistant: On 15 Aug 97 19:44, Wq6R wrote:
A most neutral and intellectually even-handed analogy, don't you
think? NOT
C'mon, Andy.  I must respectfully submit that you're spouting
drivel here.  To be sure, it's tough at national conventions given
the size of the gathering, to nominate from the floor.  But it has
happened.  Everyone knows when elections are being held; it is
easy to find a microphone and/or someone with lung power.
Now let's consider state conventions.  How is it impossible to
nominate from the floor?  I've been at state conventions of the
NFB of Oregon, the NFB of Idaho, the NFB of Washington and the NFB
of New Mexico.  Nominations are called upon three times from the
floor.  That fact is regularly taken advantage of in our state.
Candidates other than those recommended by the Nominating
Committee are regularly nominated.  Yes, most often, the choices
of the nominating committee prevail in the general election.
That's only because the electorate generally respects the
leadership and those serving on the nominating committee.  The
results are never certain, however.  I'm sure veterans of the
movement could tell you many war stories.
Huh?  In my experience, everyone is in the audience except the
presiding officer.
Incidentally, generally-speaking, those giving the shortest
acceptance speeches get cheered the most in the Washington state
affiliate.
Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington
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... I doubt, therefore I might be.
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user: You are replying to Hheagy@Delphi.Com about "Re: Conflict of Interest".

They wrote:
Hh> Granted, it is possible to nominate
Hh> someone from the floor.  I
Hh> have seen that done many times since I
Hh> began attending national
Hh> conventions in 1975, however, have you ever seen a floor
Hh> nomination succeed?  I haven't.
Hh> Also, again it may be technically true that incumbents are
Hh> generally but not always elected,
Hh> their replacements must have the
Hh> endorsement of the nominating
Hh> committee before their nominations
Hh> have any chance of succeeding.
Hh> And unless an incumbent voluntarily
Hh> gives up their position they
Hh> can have it for as long as they want
Hh> it except in a few rare
Hh> cases.
Hh> Again, while this may be true in
Hh> political elections at all
Hh> levels, there is a growing mistrust of
Hh> incumbents that they
Hh> should not be making a career of what
Hh> is supposed to be a public
Hh> service and their numbers of terms
Hh> have been limited in some
Hh> states with proposals to do so at the
Hh> national level as well.

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assistant: On 19 Aug 97 23:03, Hheagy@Delphi.Com wrote:
The fallacy here is to blame this on "the organization" or the
leadership or some artifact of electoral or constitutional
procedure -- anything but the real cause:  those nominated from
the floor did not have the confidence (for whatever reason) of the
electorate!  Voters are people, after all, and tend to vote for
those they know unless said people have been tainted with some
sort of opprobrium.  True, NFB doesn't have term limits; we
believe in allowing members to vote for whom they will!
Generally, this is true.  But not always.  As I've said elsewhere,
one tends to vote for those one knows and has confidence in.
Generally, nominations from the floor are relatively spontaneous.
Thus, nominees thus submitted generally don't have time to network
ahead-of-time and advocate their virtues.  In other words,
politicking generally has not taken place.  But, believe me, when
an affiliate presidency changes hands without the consent of those
currently in power, plenty of politicking goes on beforehand and
*then* nominations from the floor often succeed.
So NFB gets criticized because it's like most elective
organizations.
Have you ever considered what advocates of term limits are
*really* saying?  It boils down to this:  I am unable to resist
the wiles of those currently holding office who are seeking
re-election.  I am insufficiently responsible to make my own
choices.  Please enact statutes preventing me from voting freely
for any candidate I wish!
resist the wiles of those holding elective office.
Mike Freeman
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user: You are replying to Brian Lingard about "elections".

They wrote:
BL> In a good number of organizations, the
BL> bulk of the candidate
BL> selection is done quite a bit ahead of
BL> time and the slate of
BL> candidates presented for election has
BL> pretty much the exact
BL> number of candidates to be elected, so
BL> the election process is a
BL> formality.
BL> As examples of pre-selection I'd consider:
BL> -U.S. elections for Congress and the
BL> res.  Like Americans don't

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assistant: On 16 Aug 97 10:19, Brian Lingard wrote:
Ever hear of Congresswoman Linda Smith of Washington state's Third
Congressional District?  She won the state primary for her first
term in Congress by a write-in victory!
Mike Freeman
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assistant: Jenny:
The reason you get what appear to be duplicate messages is that
some folks send the same message to both lists.  There ain't much
can be done about it except to jawbone them into picking which
list is appropriate for each message and/or just slogging thru the
detritis!
Mike Freeman
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assistant: From: Jim Gashel <jgashel@blazie.com>
Subject: Re: Conflict of Interest
hello harvey:
why is it that you think that the ability to cary out a political strategy
and win votes is somehow in conflict with democracy.  Take our nation.  by
tradition, we have a two party system.  ask anyone who has ever tried to
be elected but is republican or democrat how far they got.  almost without
exception they were not elected.  Try being a republican and winning
elective office in baltimore city.  democracy does not mean that
everything is left strictly to chance.  planning, organizing, and getting
yourself into the inner workings of the politically inside group is the
essence of democracy.  apparently you don't like it that way because you
can't seem to do that.  however,  just because you lack the political savy
to become a political insider does not mean that we don't have a democracy
in the contry as a whole or in the nfb.
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They wrote:
>
>
> As a political insider I have found the discussion interesting.  To begin
> with we live in a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy not a pure democracy.  I have
> involved in everything from PTA to Statewide Political Conventions.  If you
> think that the NFB is rigid you have had very little experience with
> representative organizations.  It is of interest that there is a clause in
> the model state affiliate constitution that says that Robert's Rules of
> will not be used to subvert the will of the membership.  I have seen that
> take place in political conventions.  It has always been refreshing to see
> how open and fair our National Conventions have been over the past 20 odd
> years.  The rank and file members of our organization know more about
> and respectful meeting etiquette than most of the elected officials that I
> know.  I also know that chaos does not allow for any kind of voice in an
> organization.
> The National Federation of the Blind in my long experience of 27 years of
> participation is an open, disciplined and orderly organization.  This
> in the effectiveness and influence which we are experiencing at this time.
> can remember many instances of nominations being taken from the floor.  I
> also recall, including this past year in New Orleans, resolutions resulting
> in lively and thought provoking discussion.  I especially recall the
> resolution concerning the setting up of a center in Baltimore that
> was defeated.  I remember this discussion very clearly because Gary and I
> were on opposite ends of view.  I must say that I have no patience for
> criticism for citicisms sake.  Constructive criticism proposes a problem
> then proposes possible solutions.  Our world is no longer very simple and
> issues have many sides.  Until all sides can be observed and dealt with
> solutions are difficult to reach.
> I apologize for the length of this post. Thank you for your time.
> Denise Mackenstadt
>
>

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assistant: From: Andy Baracco <Wq6r@cris.com>
Subject: Re: Conflict of Interest
Oh Christ with a crutch!  Give me a break!  We're not stupid!
On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 MACK73DEN@aol.com wrote:
been
Order
orderly
results
I
can
eventually
nd
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assistant: From: Jennie milburn <jenmilb@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Conflict of Interest
I understand what you mean about people being unhappy with services.  If
the clients don't speak about their training, then things will never
change.  I'm not saying this is too much of an issue with the NFB centers,
but the state angencies big time.  There is sooooo much that needs done
here in Idaho, I could scream.  I think I will.  Some one needs to spread
the word.  How do you all feel about that?
Jennie
and
the
Aspen express! !
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assistant: From: hheagy@delphi.com
Subject: Re: Conflict of Interest
As I pointed out in another post, we are supposed to be an
interactive consumer organization; led by the national but not
dominated or controlled by it.  There is a difference.
I also agree that Roberts Rules of Procedure should not be used
to circumvent the will of the convention, but neither should
intimidation tactics.  Shouldn't we be allowed to state our
disagreement with the national leadership or with individuals
thereof without fear of reprisal or intimidation as long as we do
not engage in public personal attacks?  Why should we have to
fear writing a disagreeing letter because it later may be used in
a leadership seminar, or in a Monitor, or banquet address or
presidential release?  And take my word, no matter what is said
about sensitive information being used in seminars, it always
gets back to the people involved.
As far as the resolution about the National Center, I think that
is a classic example of when a resolution should be sent to the
floor without prejudice so that a true decision of the convention
can be arrived at.  I personally will not support a national
center as long as there are civil rights cases left untouched due
to lack of funds.
Harvey
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assistant: From: Julie Dawson <jdawson@IDT.NET>
Subject: Human Services Lists.
I remember a posting on this list about coming Human Services Lists
in the organization.  If there are any such laws comparable to
bllaw or orhter divisions, please email me privately or post on the list
for others who also might have such interests.  I have a M.A. in
Counseling
Services and am  AER certified in rehabilitation teaching.
Many Thanks in Advance,
Julie Dawson
Also completely off topic, does anyone know what a sx.se directory is?
It seems to have some wp beginnings to files and cio extensions.
"Out of many''''one people."
We give of ourselves to share with each other.
we receive from each other to empower ourselves.
Blessed be the Almighty who blesses His people.
Julie, AKA Magnolia in New York.
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assistant: From: MACK73DEN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Conflict of Interest
As a political insider I have found the discussion interesting.  To begin
with we live in a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy not a pure democracy.  I have been
involved in everything from PTA to Statewide Political Conventions.  If you
think that the NFB is rigid you have had very little experience with
representative organizations.  It is of interest that there is a clause in
the model state affiliate constitution that says that Robert's Rules of Order
will not be used to subvert the will of the membership.  I have seen that
take place in political conventions.  It has always been refreshing to see
how open and fair our National Conventions have been over the past 20 odd
years.  The rank and file members of our organization know more about orderly
and respectful meeting etiquette than most of the elected officials that I
know.  I also know that chaos does not allow for any kind of voice in an
organization.
The National Federation of the Blind in my long experience of 27 years of
participation is an open, disciplined and orderly organization.  This results
in the effectiveness and influence which we are experiencing at this time.  I
can remember many instances of nominations being taken from the floor.  I can
also recall, including this past year in New Orleans, resolutions resulting
in lively and thought provoking discussion.  I especially recall the
resolution concerning the setting up of a center in Baltimore that eventually
was defeated.  I remember this discussion very clearly because Gary and I
were on opposite ends of view.  I must say that I have no patience for
criticism for citicisms sake.  Constructive criticism proposes a problem and
then proposes possible solutions.  Our world is no longer very simple and
issues have many sides.  Until all sides can be observed and dealt with
solutions are difficult to reach.
I apologize for the length of this post. Thank you for your time.
Denise Mackenstadt
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assistant: From: David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Subject: Re: Conflict of Interest
Harvey:
I understand your concern with the NFB of LA running a training center.
This and related topics have been, and remain to be controvrsial within the
organization.  We all remember the heated debates in the 1980's.  Are we a
watchdog organization, a service provider, or both?
As we get larger, and more powerful, our position in the field of blindness
has changed.  As some of our traditional oponents go away -- NAC etc., we
need to offer different services to our members.  I think these reasons, and
others, including frustration with the present rehab system, are why we have
gotten into training centers.
No one person is all good, or all bad.  I am sure this is true of May Nelson
or whatever her name is.  The same could be said of Joanne Wilson, Suzanne
Mitchell, myself, or even you.  The question then becaomes how do we support
the good, and change the bad.  Much of the disagreement on this thread comes
down to substance and style in how we do that.
DA
David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com)
or BBS: (telnet to nfbnet.org) or call (612) 696-1975
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