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system: You are Ian Hoare, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dave Sacerdote about "Cookbook".

They wrote:
->> Hey, there, how many recipes have you got so far for the cookbook?
->> Coming in at a satisfactory rate?
DS> people reading the culinary echos are concerned about cholesterol and
DS> fat to the point of eating lots of chicken rather than beef...and that
DS> they're so happy with their healthy diet they feel they can splurge on
DS> a fancy dessert.  <g>

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assistant: *** Answering a msg posted in area COOKING (Fido Cooking).
Hello DAVE!
Friday June 07 1996 00:23, DAVE SACERDOTE wrote to MICHAEL LOO:
If you would like me to try to redress the balance a bit, I can easily pop up
a few pork, beef, lamb and fish recipes. Just tip me the wink. Of course, if
everyone is sending up chicken recipes, it implies that recipes for other
meats are of less interest.
I would have thought of Pork a la Vosgienne and Thai pork and bamboo shoot
soup
beef bourguignon and a real recipe for Cottage Pie
Lamb cutlets shrewsbury and Roast leg of lamb with eggplants and peppers
Fish Pie and Shellfish Moolee (indian)
All the Best
Ian
system: You are Ian Hoare, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Christine Kasupski about "Help!".

They wrote:
>> That's a real shame. So many of the old skills are being lost
>> nowadays.
CK> Fortunately for myself, I was taught a lot by my grandparents, and
CK> on passing this knowledge down to my kids. When my husband shot a deer
CK> this year, we let them see it in the basement, before I
CK> dressed/skinned it and they ate it.
CK> starting to teach my eldest child <8> some basic survival skills and
CK> some basic knowledge on what can be found in nature. I hope she pays
CK> attention! =+}

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assistant: Hello Christine!
Wednesday June 05 1996 02:54, Christine Kasupski wrote to Ian Hoare:
I hope you realise how lucky you are. I am half hungarian, and while my uncle
taught me quite a lot of hungarian recipes, there is a whole load of stuff
I'll never discover. I don't know if you know it, but Hungary was arguably
THE place for sauerkraut - I've never made it, though I may try, having
recently been sent a very interesting netmail about it. So I have recipes
which call for a whole head of soured cabbage stuffed for example. Another
skill I've never learnt, though I saw it once being made by my maternal
grandmother when I was 6 years old, is retes (called strudel throughout the
rest of the world).
How right you are. without endorsing _all_ his philosophy, I think Robert
Heinlein was absolutely right when he listed a whole bundle of things that a
human being should be able to to do to be confident in her ability to
urvive.
His attitude was fundamentally that humans are _the_ great generalists and
that specialisation was for insects!
I learnt from the age of 10 how to lay a fire, finding my own wood, and
lighting it (ending up with only one match and wet wood), camp fire cooking,
how to handle axes, make tents, navigate by compass and stars. I can't
pretend to be a great outdoorsman, in the great american pioneer mould, but I
do feel that if catastrophe struck, I'd have a fair chance of survival. At
least, if I had a chance to go raid a store, I'd take salt, preserving jars,
fish hooks, seeds and items that gave me a _chance_, rather than sugar,
flour, tins of coffee and other luxuries. Certainly here in this area, we are
amongst a population of self sufficient people.
All the Best
Ian
system: You are Dave Sacerdote, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ian Hoare about "Cookbook".

They wrote:
IH> If you would like me to try to redress the balance a bit, I can easily
IH> pop up a few pork, beef, lamb and fish recipes. Just tip me the wink.
IH> Of course, if everyone is sending up chicken recipes, it implies that
IH> recipes for other meats are of less interest.

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assistant: Scriven on electronic parchment are Ian Hoare's words to Dave Sacerdote:
Ian -
I'd love the Cottage Pie and the Lamb cutlets shrewsbury.  As of yet there
are no recipes for lamb!  Amazing!
Dave
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system: You are Dave Sacerdote, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ian Hoare about "Gas Marks".

They wrote:
IH> I have looked in a couple of my american cookbooks and couldn't find
IH> any Gas settings, so assume that you use fahrenheit over there. If you
IH> don't I'm sure you can easily lay your hand on the info.
IH> As described in the "recipe", the temperatures are not exact, but
IH> functional equivalents. A temperature of 177C is not much help, if your
IH> oven temperature gauge goes 150 175 200! In effect, I've rounded to the
IH> nearest 5C. The gas regulo temps are exact equivalents of the
IH> Fahrenheat temperatures.
IH> === Cut ===
IH> MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.02
IH> Title: Oven Temperature Equivalents
IH> Categories: Information
IH> Yield: 1 list
IH> Text only
IH> Oven Temperature functional equivalents.
IH> Fahrenheit     Centigrade    UK Regulo   French Regulo   Name
IH> 210             100           --               1      Very slow
IH> 225             110          1/4               2      Very Slow
IH> 250             120          1/2               3      Slow
IH> 275             135            1               3      Slow
IH> 300             150            2               4      slow
IH> 325             165            3               4      Very
IH> Moderate 350             180            4               4
IH> Moderate 375             190            5               5
IH> Moderately Hot 400             200            6               5
IH> Hot 425             220            7               6      Hot
IH> 450             230            8               6      Very Hot
IH> 475             245            9               6      Very Hot
IH> 500             260           10               7
IH> 525             275            -               8
IH> 550             290            -               9
IH> The above temperatures are not exact equivalents. To convert exactly
IH> from Fahrenheit to Centigrade (Celsius) (F-32)*5/9=C To convert
IH> exactly from Centigrade (Celsius) to Fahrenheit (C*9/5)+32=F.
IH> Chart by IMH Georges' Home BBS 2:323/4.4
IH> MMMMM
IH> === Cut ===
IH> All the Best
IH> Ian
IH> -!- GoldED 2.50.A0918 UNREG
IH>  ! Origin:  A Point for Georges' Home in the Correze  (2:323/4.4)

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assistant: Scriven on electronic parchment are Ian Hoare's words to Dave Sacerdote:
Yes.  It's odd, really.  In our schools, the culinary classes teach in
cups, spoons, and degrees Fahrenheit.  In the science labs, they teach
in grams, litres, and degrees Celcius.  My seven-year-old daughter uses
metric and US measurements interchangeably.  I, however, "think" in
US and must convert to metric.
This chart is EXACTLY what I was looking for, and I plan to include it in
the cookbook.  Thank you!!
Dave
... "Ask me anything."       ,,Anything?''        "Thank you."
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system: You are Ian Hoare, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ruth Hanschka about "Food of love".

They wrote:
IH> Oh NO, stuff written after 1610. (Date of Monterverdi's Vespers) ;-)
RH>> I like stuff written either before that date, or after 1940,
RH>> generally....

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assistant: Hello Ruth!
Saturday June 01 1996 19:38, Ian Hoare wrote to Ruth Hanschka:
And in Cooking, I saw from Michael's comment that you replied to me, but
unfortunately your reply never reached me :-(((
I wonder if you could possibly resend it for me, if you do as I do, which is
to keep a copy of all correspondence to and from me directly.
What can I send you? As we're still talking about love, how about an iced
summer tomato soup?
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MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.02
      Title: Summer Tomato Soup
 Categories: Starters, Soups, British, Fruits
      Yield: 4 servings
      2 lb Ripe tomatoes
      1 tb Sugar
      2 ts Salt
    1/3 ts Onion juice
      4 fl Double cream
      2 sl Ham (cooked), diced
    1/4    Cucumber, diced
    1/2    Lemon, juice & rind
           (chopped parsley)
  Puree washed tomatoes in electric blender; pass through a fine sieve.
  There should be a little over 1 pint puree. Chill thoroughly in
  fridge, and just before serving add sugar, salt, onion juice and the
  juice and grated rind of lemon. Beat well until smooth; stir in cream
  and add diced ham and cucumber. (Garnish with freshly chopped
  parsley.)
  I mix sugar, salt, lemon and tomato before hand, then at the last
  minute, I add double cream and onion juice (finely grated onion).
  After a good
   stir, I add the cubed ingredients and serve forthwith.
  Recipe Robert Carrier Cookbook
  MMed IMH Georges's Home BBS 2:323/4.4
MMMMM
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Ian
system: You are Helen Peagram, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "WANTED! BRANSTON PICKLE RECIPE!".

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assistant: * Crossposted from: ALT.COOKING-CHAT
Anyone?  Branston Pickle Recipe, please
HP
... Stoney Creek, just east of Hamilton, Ontario at 12:17:51, 15 Jun 96
system: You are Ian Hoare, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dave Sacerdote about "Gas Marks".

They wrote:
IH>> find any Gas settings, so assume that you use fahrenheit over
IH>> there.
DS> Yes.  It's odd, really.  In our schools, the culinary classes teach in
DS> cups, spoons, and degrees Fahrenheit.
DS> in grams, litres, and degrees Celcius.
DS>  My seven-year-old daughter uses metric and US measurements
DS> interchangeably.
DS>   I, however, "think" in US and must convert to metric.
DS> This chart is EXACTLY what I was looking for, and I plan to include it
DS> in the cookbook.  Thank you!!

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assistant: Hello DAVE!
Tuesday June 11 1996 14:00, DAVE SACERDOTE wrote to IAN HOARE:
What I meant by my remarks was "I assume that your ovens are calibrated
directly in degrees fahrenheit, rather than some regulo setting diffrent
either from French or British"
Hope that was a typo                  ^
It should read "Celsius" I'm only correcting for the sake of the book :-)))
She's lucky. I find it hard to envisage 150 gms, whereas I can easily do so
for 5 oz.
Me too. That said, when I think to do it, I prefer to put up recipes in a
sort of bastard metric, with ts, tb, ml and gms which is about the most
accurate method of measurement. Despite comments elsewhere about using volume
for cooking, I greatly prefer using my electronic balance for all solid
foods, volume (in mls or litres) for liquids and ts/tb for small quantities
of powders or liquids. But _my_ criteria for recipes are particular, and I
wouldn't dream of seeking to impose them on anyone else.  What I do care
about in publishing a recipe, is that it should be able to be followed
accurately enough for YOUR version in the USA to taste substantially the same
as MY version over in France. Once you have decided what "my version" as
written tastes like, I am delighted if YOU like to change it. But you can't
change intelligently away from something if it isn't precise enough for YOU
to know what it "should" taste like.
I'm so glad that's what you wanted. You're most welcome.
All the Best
Ian
system: You are Ian Hoare, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dave Sacerdote about "Cookbook".

They wrote:
IH>> easily pop up a few pork, beef, lamb and fish recipes. Just tip
IH>> me the wink.
DS> I'd love the Cottage Pie and the Lamb cutlets shrewsbury.  As of yet
DS> there are no recipes for lamb!  Amazing!

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assistant: Hello DAVE!
Tuesday June 11 1996 13:53, DAVE SACERDOTE wrote to IAN HOARE:
Err... Cottage Pie, strictly should be made with beef mince (hamburger).
Shepherd's Pie is the same thing but with lamb mince - as for moussaka.
 Anyway, I was so shocked to hear of your lack of Lamb recipes, that I have
gone slightly OTT and found two others over and above Cottage Pie and the
cutlets. So here are four recipes. If it would "help" they could be recipes
from my wife Jacquie Hoare. ;-)))))))
The two roast lamb recipes are real favourites both with us and with our
clients and are both really easy to finish off in the heat of a meal. As you
know only too well, if you've got a lot of last minute fiddling for a main
dish, it can be a nuisance. That's the great problem with roasts.
Anyway, here are the four recipes.
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MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.02
      Title: Lamb Cutlets Shrewsbury
 Categories: Main dish, Lamb/mutton, British, Casseroles
      Yield: 4 servings
      8    Lamb cutlets/chops
    1/2 oz Fat/oil
      4 oz Button mushrooms
      4 tb Redcurrant jelly
      2 tb Worcester sauce
      1    Lemon, juice
      1 tb Flour
    300 ml Stock (or less)
           Salt & Pepper
           Nutmeg
           Chopped parsley
  Trim cutlets and brown on both sides in fat or oil. Slice the
  mushrooms and soften them in the same pan. Put the meat & mushrooms
  in a casserole. In a small pan, heat worcester sauce, redcurrant
  jelly and lemon juice. Blend together. In the remaining fat in the
  pan, fry the flour until it is golden - 10 mins on gentle heat. Stir
  in the mixed liquids. Bring to boil, stirring. Add enough stock to
  make a thick sauce. Season to taste and strain over cutlets. Cook in
  pre-heated 170 C oven till tender (1 1/2 hrs or so). Sprinkle with
  parsley and serve.
Recipe Jacquie Hoare
MMed IMH Georges' Home BBS 2:323/4.4
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Ian
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assistant: Hello DAVE!
Answering a msg of <Tuesday June 11 1996>, from DAVE SACERDOTE to IAN HOARE:
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MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.02
      Title: Roast Lamb with Peppers & Aubergines
 Categories: Main dish, Lamb/mutton, British, Vegetables
      Yield: 4 servings
     50 g  Butter; softened
      1 tb Chopped fresh oregano-=OR=-
      1 ts Dried Marjoram/oregano
      1 tb Whole grain Mustard
  1 1/8 kg Half leg Lamb
    450 g  Red peppers
    450 g  Aubergines
    100 ml Olive oil
MMMMM--------------------------OPTIONAL-------------------------------
      2 tb Chopped fresh oregano -=OR=-
           Chopped fresh parsley
  Beat the butter with the first lot of oregano/marjoram and the
  mustard. Trim lamb and cut slits 2 cm deep over the surface.
     Spread the butter all over the meat, and push it into the slits (I
  like to do this a couple of hours before cooking). Place on a wire
  rack that will fit over a roasting pan.
     Halve, core and deseed the red pepper then cut into chunks. Cut the
  aubergines into similar sized chunks. Pour the olive oil into the
  roasting tin and stir into the vegetables. (I used half an onion as
  well, and it worked well).
     Place the wire rack and lamb on top and roast at 200C (400F) mark
  6 for 20mins per pound plus 20mins for medium cooked lamb. Stir the
  vegetables twice during cooking.
     Turn off the oven and transfer the meat to a serving dish and
  leave in the turned off oven for 15 mins. If necessary, brown
  vegetables over a high heat, stirring all the time. Spoon the
  vegetables around the lamb. Stir in the oregano and serve immediately.
Recipe Good Housekeeping (UK Edition)
Mmed IMH Georges' Home BBS 2:323/4.4
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Ian
system: You are Ruth Hanschka, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ian Hoare about "Food of love".

They wrote:
IH> Oh NO, stuff written after 1610. (Date of Monterverdi's Vespers) ;-)
RH>> I like stuff written either before that date, or after 1940,
RH>> generally....
IH> And in Cooking, I saw from Michael's comment that you
IH> replied to me, but unfortunately your reply never
IH> reached me :-(((
IH> I wonder if you could possibly resend it for me, if you
IH> do as I do, which is to keep a copy of all
IH> correspondence to and from me directly.
IH> What can I send you? As we're still talking about love,
IH> how about an iced summer tomato soup?

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assistant: He moved his reply over there.  FIDO has been chewing the newspaper again,
methinks.
I would if I could, but right now I don't even have a functional offline
reader.<grimace>
My father will like this one; he's the household tomato junkie.  We've also
planted regular, cherry, and plum tomatoes.  I fully expect to be swimming in
love apples this summer!
Hmmm, anything handy to send back?  Michael just got bombarded with
chow-chow-recipes, so I'll lay off those.[had him complaining about lima
beans....]
Hmmm, how about this turn of the century Pennsylvania German recipe?
Spiced Cantaloupe
6 pounds of cantaloupe [musk mellon] cut as nearly one size as possible, 4
quarts of water, 1 ounce of alum; bring to the boiling point, drop in your
fruit, cook 15 minutes, lift and drain a short while.  Then take 1 quart
vinegar, 3 pounds white sugar, 3 teaspoonfuls of yellow mustard seed, 1
teaspoonful of black mustardseed, 1 teaspoonful whole mace, 8 inch stick
cinnamon, 9 whole cloves, about a dozen whole allspice.  Place the fruit in
it and slowly cook until clear requires about 2 hours.
[all typos mine, all pre-1900 measurements, the author's]
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user: You are replying to Joel Ehrlich about "Lamb".

They wrote:
JE> Lamb, you say. Well, here are two. The first from Restaurant
JE> Campanille, the second from The Inn at Little Washington:

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assistant: Scriven on electronic parchment are Joel Ehrlich's words to Dave Sacerdote:
Splendid!  It fills a big empty space in the cookbook.  Thanks!
Dave
... I'm a kleptomaniac...but I'm taking something for it.
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system: You are Dave Sacerdote, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ian Hoare about "Measurements".

They wrote:
IH> What I meant by my remarks was "I assume that your ovens are
IH> calibrated directly in degrees fahrenheit, rather than some regulo
IH> setting diffrent either from French or British"
IH> Me too. That said, when I think to do it, I prefer to put up recipes
IH> in a sort of bastard metric, with ts, tb, ml and gms which is about the
IH> most accurate method of measurement. Despite comments elsewhere about
IH> using volume for cooking, I greatly prefer using my electronic balance
IH> for all solid foods, volume (in mls or litres) for liquids and ts/tb
IH> for small quantities of powders or liquids.

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assistant: Scriven on electronic parchment are Ian Hoare's words to Dave Sacerdote:
Ah.  Sorry.  Yes, they are.
Yes, I understand...that seems to be the way recipes show up from Australia.
At any rate, I plan to continue posting recipes in COOKING - where your
absence is keenly felt <g> - with both US and metric measurements.  You
may pick and choose measurements as you please.  :-)
Dave
... "Ask me anything."       ,,Anything?''        "Thank you."
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system: You are Bill Swisher, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Inter. Cooking message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ian Hoare about "Re: Gas Marks".

They wrote:
IH> if it isn't precise enough for YOU to know what it "should" taste like.

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assistant: ^^^^^^
My wife and I went on a trip to Rara Tonga (Cook Islands) a couple of years
ago and found a "Mexican" resturaunt there.  The burrito looked like a
burrito...but it sure did taste strange.  My guess at the time was that they
had the recipe, the picture but not quite the correct ingredients or any
understanding of what a burrito "should" taste like.  Heck they tried...I
didn't complain.
Have you ever heard of a spice called "Mustard Flour"?  We used to have some
but have run out.  It was a pale yellow color and may have actually been a
mixture of dry mustard and flour...we aren't sure, but would like to either
get more or make it ourselves.
bswisher@anc.ak.net
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IH>        Title: Colonial Goose

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assistant: Great title ... if I were inclined to fix a lamb roast, I'd more
likely try something similar to the one you previously posted with
the eggplants. Where have you been, btw?
Insofar as you seem to have in your database all my favorite
Continental recipes, here's one from my neighborhood:
Aunt Dade's cranberry-raisin-apple pie
Yankee Magazine 7/81, Great New England Cooks: Mary Bosqui
1     c cranberries
1     c raisins
  3/4 c boiling water
1     c sugar
2 1/2 T flour
  1/2 t salt
4       apples, peeled, cored, sliced
2     T butter, optional
1     t vanilla
1       one-crust pie shell, unbaked
Boil cranberries and raisins in water until they have plumped.
Combine sugar, flour, and salt and add to hot mixture, stirring
constantly until it thickens. Add apples, butter, and vanilla.
Fill an unbaked pie shell and bake at 450 for 10 min. Reduce
heat to 375 and bake until filling is bubbly, about 20 more min.
Serve warm as is or with vanilla ice cream.
 * KingQWK 1.05 # 187 *