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system: You are Dan Ceppa, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Hap Newsom about "C-Lark".

They wrote:
-> On 09-09-95  15:34, Hap Newsom got back to Dan Ceppa
DC>It's sloop rigged.  However, the jib, at least the one I have,
DC>doesn't reach to the shrouds.  I think there is a larger one
HN> Thats gotta make it crowded when you have a full crew eh?<G>!
HN> I'm not so sure what "Big Red" is, but a 300% genni is a lot of cloth!
HN> will the boat be big enough to hold it when you're not flying? <G>
DC>the whole fleet and gave them a scare!
DC>Oh well, there's need summer season to look forward too!
HN> You've got all winter to plan strategy and visit the library and look
HN> up books on racing strategy! I'll bet your're gonna be a wizard by
HN> spring!

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assistant: Not too bad, actually.  The stays are not that far behind the
mast.  With the small jib, the entire cockpit is clear.
The guy I sail with on Thur. had set his up with that once.  He
said it was great in light air, but was almost impossible to
jibe.  I think I'd rather find that spinnaker, though!
I hope so!  We haven't been in the first starting sequence
all this year, so I'm a bit out of practice.  We pretty much
watch the A fleet's tactics and judge our start from them.
Also, our starting sequence is only 3 minutes as compared
with the 10 warning we get on Thur.
With luck, I'll be able to get both days off so I can race
each of them.  If not, I think i can get out of work early
enough to make the Thur races.  As I have to rig the dinghy,
I'll try to arrange that for a regular day off...
the Thur
... When sailors dream, they dream about sailing.
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system: You are Dan Ceppa, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ed Debee about "fast Siren?          1/ 3".

They wrote:
-> On 09-09-95  10:18, Ed Debee got back to All
ED> of 1.34 times square root of waterline length is only an average.  For
ED> instance, my Precision is a semi-flat bottomed hull with shoal draft
ED> keel.  Computed hull speed is 5.95 knots.  However, if the heel is kept
ED> at 15 deg. and the wind is on some part of the beam, I can usually hold
ED> 6.2 knots.  This is due to the hull starting to rise up in the water,
ED> reducing the wetted surface drag. Downwind, with gusts and surfing, we
ED> have seen 9.2 knots.  But this skipper doesn't like the feel of the
ED> helm.  Tricky.

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assistant: Ed, that's part of it.  However, the effective water line length
is raised as well because of the heeling.  There have been a
few "rules breakers" build with very long overhangs both
forward and astern that used that technique.
The surfing aspect is not taken into consideration at that point.
That ability is partially a function of displacement.  For our
last weekend regatta, the A fleet was broken into 2 divisions:
Heavy and Light.  It was a great move, as the air was light and
the smaller light displacement boats would have eaten the
heavier big boys alive.  It turned out that each division was
close in itself, adding to the enjoyment of the event.
... Hey Racers... it's MYLAR time!
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system: You are Gene Gruender, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Don Duckett about "Re: Crusing".

They wrote:
DD> We have the same dream. I purchased a Hughes 35 "DNA" for the
DD> trip and am learning how to sail it while I install additional
DD> gear. So far i've installed an Autohelm Autopilot w/remote and
DD> interfaced it with a Magellan 5000DX. The water maker is next on
DD> the list.
DD> DNA is currently a pure DC boat with solar panels. I also work
DD> in computers and am not sure if this setup can support all the
DD> toys I want.
DD> Did you install a radar, weather fax, life raft, EPEB, and/or
DD> ham radio. If so which ones did you select. I have about reached
DD> the conclusion that all are required for the type of sailing I
DD> plan. Your thinking would be appreciated. I have also looked at
DD> the air-bag float systems. The thought of leaving DNA for a small
DD> raft in a storm is not something I like to think about.
DD> P.S. Ho! What of batteries did you select.

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assistant: I bought my Hunter in Florida, then sailed it across the Gulf to
Texas.  Somewhere along the way I guess I got some idea of how to sail
it, as I'd never sailed before.  I'm still installing equipment, such
as the windlass, below decks auto pilot and the water maker.
I have a ssb radio, weatherfax that runs on my laptop pc from the ssb,
no radar, and will get a liferaft and epirb, but don't have them yet.
I have 6 trojan T105 golf cart batteries.  They give you the most for
your money that I have found.  If you check your local golf cart
supplier, they are about 1/2 of the $105 or so West Marine wants.
I have a starting battery, also.  I have 2 alternators, one a 150 amp
version hooked directly to the house bank, the original 35 amp hooked
directly to the starting battery.  The two banks are totally separate.
I also have a 1500 watt statpower inverter for 110 volt power.  It
runs most any power tool, microwave, or anything else I need.
I've run out of time now, write with more questions and I'll try to help.
Gene Gruender
gene.gruender@connectamerica.com
... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander.
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system: You are Hap Newsom, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dan Ceppa about "looking at a boat".

They wrote:
DC> HN> wifey, daughter and me (we took the class 4 yrs ago so we NEED
DC> HN> refreshing <G>). In addition, we can even "lease" the boat back to
DC>Not a bad buy, from what you said...
DC> HN> like a pretty good deal....now I gotta talk Annie into it....AJay
DC> HN> a freshman in HS) is allready sold on the idea.
DC>So's Natasha, but she was the first time she was on the
DC>water...
DC>Remind me to tell you how I destroyed the C-Lark this
DC>afternoon!
DC>Seems like the marina doesn't have enough depth to take
DC>a turtled boat in....   (Damn!  I'm still cold!)
DC>But....... a lot wiser, fer sure!

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assistant: e
Not too bad a deal, but we are still debating with Anne <G>. Any time
it's a "lot of money" she has to debate it for a time <VBG>!
now
Ditto for AJay, <G>, she's ready to sail at a moments notice! With
teenagers however, you can never count on that remaining stable <G>.
Ahhh, hope you were alone when you dumped it....Lemme go get a cup of
coffee......ok, now I'm ready to listen to the tale of your fatefull
trip <G>.
chat with you soon
hap
 * SLMR 2.1a * I'll have spam, spam, spam, beans, and spam!
system: You are Richard Wheet, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dan Ceppa about "fast Siren?          1/ 3".

They wrote:
> last weekend regatta, the A fleet was broken into 2 divisions:
> Heavy and Light.  It was a great move, as the air was light and
> the smaller light displacement boats would have eaten the
> heavier big boys alive.  It turned out that each division was
> close in itself, adding to the enjoyment of the event.

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assistant: Wouldn't the handicaps take care of that situation.... the boat is
cross-referenced to the max-wind speed for a given race, and the handicap
applied....
system: You are George Skinner, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Edwin Auty about "Custom Keels".

They wrote:
->  I'm changing boats, so it is not now a problem. Yes, too
-> soon we haul out. We are out of the water about the third weekend in
-> October.

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assistant: Edwin: So you got a new boat, I am still working on the one I got. I
picked up a new working jib sail, and I want to get some jam cleats and
blocks so that I can run up the sails from the cockpit. It will make it
easier to sail the boat single handed. I have the tools so I will be
doing it myself. Since the boat is on a trailer to start with I don't
have to worry about hauling it out at the end of the season. Depending
on the weather I will put it away when it starts to get cold!
                                         George
system: You are George Skinner, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Robert Rayfield about "Custom Keels".

They wrote:
-> It is likely that Edwin would see little performance improvement out
-> of an marginally improved keel.  His wallet weight, however, would
-> definitely be reduced! <g>
->
-> Back to my original argument.  If you want a boat that sails
-> differently from the one you have, buy another boat!
->
-> I do know of one boat, a 28 footer, that had a bulb added to the
-> keel. It did go a fair bit faster after the modification.  The fact
-> that he used the extra stability to add 3 feet to the mast may also
-> have had something to do with the improved performance! <g>  (The
-> boat was undersailed to begin with.)  This change was expensive
-> because he had to get all new sails.

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assistant: Robert: You are most likely correct on all counts. But my Sandpiper has
the keel very flat at the bottom and it is level to the keel of the
boat. I think all they would have to do is mold a bulb that could be
bolted to the bottom of the keel and that would probably be a lot
cheaper that buying a whole new keel or I guess it should rightly be
called a centerboard. But Edwin has already solved the problem buy
buying another boat.
                                           George
system: You are George Skinner, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Robert Rayfield about "fast Siren?          1/ 3".

They wrote:
-> With that little weight, it could be possible for your boat to plane,
-> like mine does, in a big gust.  But, if your hul is fairly flat, the
-> boat would have to be upright, less than 10 degrees heel.  I would
-> dare say that in 30 knots of wind you could do it.  The power of the
-> wind goes up with the square of the speed, I believe.
-> The placement of the speedo transducer is very important.  The only
-> way to REALLY check it out is to motor on a measured course.  Even
-> then your speedo may read high when the boat is heeled. You can't
-> trust them.  I think mine is pretty close because it roughly agrees
-> with what my boat should do according to waterline length, etc.
-> However, I only use it as a guide, or a reference point, when I am
-> trimming sails in unusual

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assistant: Robert: I know the boat is very light, that is part of the reason why
they have a tendency to heel over so much is light to medium breezes.
The draft with the keel raised is only 10 inches and 2 feet 9 inches
with the keel lowered. But still they are a lot of fun to sail. I took a
basic keel-boat course and we were using J22 (?) which had more sail and
about a 4 foot keel.
  It is very funny but I have never seen any books with more information
on the Sandpiper 565, and its smaller sister the Siren, I know my boot
was made in Pickering Ontario in '81 and they are no longer being made.
The company was called C&L Boatworks.
Robert: Although I can't be sure the speedo is incorrectly located, but
I am quite sure that is not a problem. It is located very close to the
centerline of the boat and in front of the keel. I realize that they
cannot be very acurrate due to various reasons but at least it gives me
a good idea what the boat can do. This is especially important to me as
this is the very first sailboat I have owned. I am glad I didn't
purchase the smaller boat (Siren) that I was planning to buy and the
interior of the boat is so much larger than the Siren. Although a lot of
times I wish I had more interior space.
                                                 George
system: You are Chris Kagy, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Bob Andrews about "Raise the sails, winds up".

They wrote:
BA> For $75 bucks a
BA> year you get unlimited use of the boats, life jackets and safety gear
BA> provided, eligibility to race for trophies if you like, no dock or
BA> permit fees and no maintenance. Pretty good deal, huh? ;-)
BA>
BA> --- GoldED 2.40.P0720
BA>  * Origin:  The Decatur Connection  (1:233/26)

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assistant: Oh Mah Ghawd!  That's a great deal!  It'd be tough to find that kind of a
deal here in the DC Metro area...
-chris
system: You are Ed Debee, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Richard Wheet about "fast Siren?          1/ 3".

They wrote:
>> Enjoy the posts on boat speed.  I would add that the standard formula of
>> 1.34 times square root of waterline length is only an average.  For
>> instance, my Precision is a semi-flat bottomed hull with shoal draft
>> keel.  Computed hull speed is 5.95 knots.  However, if the heel is kept
>> at 15 deg. and the wind is on some part of the beam, I can usually hold
>> 6.2 knots.  This is due to the hull starting to rise up in the water,
>> reducing the wetted surface drag. Downwind, with gusts and surfing, we
>> have seen 9.2 knots.  But this skipper doesn't like the feel of the
>> helm.  Tricky.
RW> Remember that the formula is for THEORETICAL boat speed... under the
RW> assumption that the boat cannot pass over its own bow wave... what you
RW> describing is called "hydroplaning"....
RW> THEORETICAL is not an average... it is the max speed under normal keel
RW> conditions....

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assistant: 11 Sep 95, Richard Wheet writes to Ed DeBee:
Richard,
Thanks for the reply.  In response I quote a paragraph from the book "Boating
Facts and Feats" by Peter Johnson.  The quote will follow our posts for
continuity of thread.
are
The following is quoted from "Boating Facts and Feats" by Peter Johnson...
An accepted measure of speed in displacement vessels (as opposed to planing
craft) is the ratio of velocity, "V", to the square root of the load
waterline,
system: You are Ed Debee, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "fast Siren?".

They wrote:
>> Enjoy the posts on boat speed.  I would add that the standard formula of
>> 1.34 times square root of waterline length is only an average.  For
>> instance, my Precision is a semi-flat bottomed hull with shoal draft
>> keel.  Computed hull speed is 5.95 knots.  However, if the heel is kept
>> at 15 deg. and the wind is on some part of the beam, I can usually hold
>> 6.2 knots.  This is due to the hull starting to rise up in the water,
>> reducing the wetted surface drag. Downwind, with gusts and surfing, we
>> have seen 9.2 knots.  But this skipper doesn't like the feel of the
>> helm.  Tricky.
RW> Remember that the formula is for THEORETICAL boat speed... under the
RW> assumption that the boat cannot pass over its own bow wave... what you
RW> describing is called "hydroplaning"....
RW> THEORETICAL is not an average... it is the max speed under normal keel
RW> conditions....

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assistant: 11 Sep 95, Richard Wheet writes to Ed DeBee:
Richard,
Thanks for the reply.  In response I quote a paragraph from the book "Boating
Facts and Feats" by Peter Johnson.  The quote will follow our posts for
continuity of thread.
Ed said:
are
The following is quoted from "Boating Facts and Feats" by Peter Johnson...
"An accepted measure of speed in displacement vessels (as opposed to planing
craft) is the ratio of velocity, "V", to the square root of the load
waterline, (SR) "L".  The speed/length ratio is V/(SR)L.  This is an
empirical ratio and the maximum achieved in conventional craft is usually in
the region of 1.4. But this depends on the many facets of the design of any
particular boat and the maximum may be lower or as high as 1.7.  The value of
the speed/length ratio is as a comparison within generic types of craft."
I thought you might find this interesting.
Ed
Skipper of Revelation
V/(SR)L = 1.39
system: You are Ed Debee, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dan Ceppa about "fast Siren?".

They wrote:
DC> @TID: WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12  92-0416
->> On 09-09-95  10:18, Ed Debee got back to All
ED>> of 1.34 times square root of waterline length is only an average.  For
ED>> instance, my Precision is a semi-flat bottomed hull with shoal draft
ED>> keel.  Computed hull speed is 5.95 knots.  However, if the heel is
ED>> kept at 15 deg. and the wind is on some part of the beam, I can
ED>> usually hold 6.2 knots.  This is due to the hull starting to rise up
ED>> in the water,
DC> Ed, that's part of it.  However, the effective water line length
DC> is raised as well because of the heeling.  There have been a
DC> few "rules breakers" build with very long overhangs both
DC> forward and astern that used that technique.
ED>> reducing the wetted surface drag. Downwind, with gusts and surfing, we
ED>> have seen 9.2 knots.  But this skipper doesn't like the feel of the
ED>> helm.  Tricky.
DC> The surfing aspect is not taken into consideration at that point.
DC> That ability is partially a function of displacement.  For our
DC> last weekend regatta, the A fleet was broken into 2 divisions:
DC> Heavy and Light.  It was a great move, as the air was light and
DC> the smaller light displacement boats would have eaten the
DC> heavier big boys alive.  It turned out that each division was
DC> close in itself, adding to the enjoyment of the event.

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assistant: 11 Sep 95, Dan Ceppa writes to Ed Debee:
I know what you mean.  In this years Turnback Canyon Regatta, (TCR is a 2 day
long distance regatta.  First day is 17 miles up river, and return on 2nd
day, after big overnight party) we were in contention with a boat that had a
higher PHRF handicap but had a longer LWL when heeled.  So under meduim
winds, he would eat our lunch.  Under light or heavy winds, he would fall
behind. Because of the mix of winds on both days, he took 1st and we 2nd.  He
chuckled about the RC not catching the long overhanging bow and stern
changing the handicap when heeled.  A big lesson for me, but a good battle,
none of the other boats were near us in line postion or corrected time.
I wish they would break us out like that.  We do surf well, but those
conditions on our narrow lake/river are rare.  It is a hoot when the knot
meter jumps up above 7 knots however.
Another good example of the 1.34 rule violation are the hulls of catamarans.
While they don't plane, the narrowness allows them to overcome the standard
displacement rule.
Fair Sailing,
Ed
system: You are Bob Andrews, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Chris Kagy about "Raise the sails, winds up".

They wrote:
CK> Bob, I'm curious about your Sunfish racing.  Do you guys race them stock
CK> or do you modify them?  The first thing that comes to my mind about
CK> the Sunfish is that lanteen sail - you don't have a lot of control over
CK> sail shape with them.  Can you add a boom vang or cunningham or outhaul
CK> Seems to me that racing a stock Sunfish would be pretty pure.  With so
CK> Sounds like fun!

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assistant: 08 Sep 95 17:57, Chris Kagy wrote to Bob Andrews:
to CK> them?
The races are sponsored by the local park district and most of the boats are
theirs so they are pretty much stock boats. A few of us have our own boats so
we've added a few things, but very few.  I've got a jamb cleat on mine and
se
a neat little telltale that hangs down from the lower spare, but that's about
it.  If you don't own a boat, it's first come, first served for boats, sails
and rigging. For $75 bucks a year you get unlimited use of the boats, life
jackets and safety gear provided, eligibility to race for trophies if you
like, no dock or permit fees and no maintenance. Pretty good deal, huh? ;-)
few CK> controls to tweak you would have to rely on just skill and experience
to CK> read the course better than the next guy/gal.
That's about it.  Rules and tactics are pretty important too.  With the
generally light summer winds, the skipper who can keep his/her sail full and
the boat moving well all the time has a big advantage.
Loads of it!
system: You are Janine Schlador, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Angela Boudreau about "Sea Sick- Yuck".

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assistant: Sometimes you can get sea sick if you are fatigued or have a cold that]
affects your ears.   Anyway,  I hope you will try it again with
medicine ahead of time.  But I do know some people are very easily
affected.  My sister in law always gets sea sick no matter what.
Good luck
system: You are Janine Schlador, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Sailing message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dan Ceppa about "Raise the sails, winds up".

They wrote:
-> Also, age is a factor.  It can be tough on the more acrobatic
-> boats to keep up being the "old man" with too young of a group
-> Are they "blood and guts" with a pre-rigged protest flag?  (true
-> story, BTW, though it does have a happy ending!)  Are they willing
-> to help you to learn the techniques to make you competitive?
->
-> Well, to cut it short, at least give it a go and keep the long
-> thing with the cloth more or less out of the water!

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assistant: that is a good point,  I am not a spring chick anymore,  getting closer
to the big 50 mark every year.  I will keep that in mind.
so tell me the story,  I love good stories that end well.
Well  that does seem to be a major problem sometimes   :)
Thanks for the input.   later,  Janine
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user: You are replying to Robert Rayfield about "fast Siren?          1/ 3".

They wrote:
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RR==>my tact not to use in this latest tapping!
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assistant: taxing
 8 - D
And you *had been*  doing so well 'til now!  <g>
Thanks, r ;-)
Murray.
=)
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