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system: You are Regina Finan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Bryan Mcgoon about "ADHD".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting Bryan McGoon to Regina Finan <=-
RF> This is good to hear.  We as parents look really hard to find
RF> something that brings us closer to the answer.  We know its not going
RF> to disappear, but its hard to see our kids struggle.  BTW did any type
RF> of  discipline for unacceptable
RF> behavior work for you?  I always wanted to ask that question.
BM> Dear Regina,
BM> Discipline for was usally to be grouned and then mom and I
BM> talked about my behave after the "blow up".  But thanks have
BM> gotten much better though!
BM> ... MONEY TALKS ...   but all mine ever says is GOODBYE!
BM> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
BM> -!- Maximus/2 3.01
BM>  ! Origin: The Rock BBS--San Antonio, TX  210-654-9792/3 (1:387/31)

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assistant: Grounding never worked for my kids, they would just roll their eyes back
 and tell their friends OH I'm grounded.  Time out is like grounding, but
 it is a much shorter time and helps keep the problem in perspective.
 Good to hear you are better though.  I suppose thats also attributed to
 you growing older and wiser, uh.
 Regina
system: You are Regina Finan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Bryan Mcgoon about "Normal".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting Bryan McGoon to Regina Finan <=-
RF> many problems too.  They just don't know how to handle or care about
RF> them.  Because they are not sterotyped as having a disorder there
RF> parents assume this is "normal" behavior.  I wouldn't trade one of my
RF> kids for one of those "normal" one. My kids may have problems but this
BM>
BM> Not to say I have a child but I agree!  I have dear friend and
BM> his son is very close to me and I stand up for him always and
BM> would NEVER bring him harm.
RF> only brings us closer together and at least we are working together.
RF> Which is more than I can say for some of the kids whos parents do
RF> nothing until their child finally feels so rejected or ignored by their
RF> parents that in some cases it becomes too late.  If you work together
RF> on what ever problems you have, respect each other and love each other
RF> than normal is only hypothetical.  Be the best you can be and you will
RF> have contributed to society more than most people will.
RF> Regina
BM> WoW Regina I agree with you so much being close is the way to
BM> be! I wish (also) alot of familes could work together I think
BM> this would be alot better place to live.

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assistant: Do I remember, correctly that you are 17?  You are alot wiser than many
 people 3 times your age.
 Regina
system: You are Trish Taylor, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Amber Floyd about "6 Year Old".

They wrote:
AF>>> destructiveness by a six year old to the degree described by the mother
AF>>> is not typical of ADHD, but is typical of other problems, and, perhaps,
AF>>> she should look beyond the diagnosis of ADHD.
AF>    Looked pretty typical to me, not only to Tamara, but to our older
AF>ADHD friend.  Does it seem out of line to anyone else?

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assistant: Amber and Mark were discussing destructiveness:
My son who is 17  has always done this.  It doesn't seem to be out of
the need to be destructive, but just something to be unconsciously doing
with his hands.  I have found edges of tables and cabinets gouged out
with knives, and such things as that.  When I point out what he is done,
he always seems contrite  and somewhat puzzled as to why he did it.  I
was suprised to see that other ADD kids do this.  I never thought to
attribute it to ADD.
Trish
system: You are Trish Taylor, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Amber Floyd about "Thank YOU".

They wrote:
AF>    As far as i can tell, it does that in EVERYONE that takes it, but in
AF>kids with ADD, that is what they need to combat a brain that is
AF>underdeveloped in a specific (Attention focusing) area.
AF>    It seems that kids without AD(H)D also have grade improvement while
AF>on Ritalin, but they DON'T need it to handle school, where most of our
AF>kids do.

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assistant: Amber said to Jerry:
My doctor told me about a study that she knew of where they gave
Ritalin to college students, both those  who had ADD and those who
didn't.  All the students  who took the Ritalin, ADD or not, scored
higher on tests than the students that were given placebos.  She said
she thinks it ought to be put in the water.
Trish
system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Amber Floyd about "ADD in Children".

They wrote:
AF>>> However, it has been clinically demonstrated several times that
AF>>> sugar does not have any effect on ADHD.
AF>>> it was clear that the ADHD brain was not using enough glucose, I
AF>>> asked him if maybe a diet high in glucose would help. The answer
AF>>> was: "Probably, but it would rot the kids teeth."
AF>    These two statements don't seem to match.  Could you explain
AF>better?
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: AMBER FLOYD was thinking about ADD in Children and keyed into
cyberspace:
Yes, there are many old wives around who swear that too much sugar is
the cause of ADHD. There have been numerous clinical studies that have
shown that it (i.e., sugar ingestion) does not cause ADHD.
However, when the PET scanning shows that there are areas in the ADHD
brain are running slower, the scan is looking for tagged glucose as an
indicator of brain activity. When medication is thrown into the picture,
the CNS stimulants, the ADHD brain scans normally. Thus, the glucose is
being used at the same level everywhere in the brain.
IOW, sugar does not cause ADHD, but may actually treat it. If you want
to rot your teeth, and have that high a caloric intake.
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system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "ADD in Children".

They wrote:
RF> -=> Quoting MARK PROBERT to REGINA FINAN <=-
RF> MP> REGINA FINAN was thinking about ADD in Children and keyed into
RF> MP> cyberspace:
RF>
RF> RF> My kids react bad to chocolate and caffine (such as pepsi).
RF> RF>Sugar is not  really the problem.  But caffine can hype any child
RF> RF>up.  And chocolate  seems to react bad with children who are on
RF> RF>ritalin.  This has been my  experience.
RF> MP> Chocolate may react badly for some kids with an allergy to
RF> MP> chocolate.  ADHD has NOTHING to do with it. I have picked apart
RF> MP> just about every  study, include the infamous Rowe & Rowe study
RF> MP> that the  additives/nutrition/diet/sugar crowd like to spout
RF> MP> when they claim that  the link was proven. There is no link
RF> MP> between diet and true ADHD.
RF> MP> ===>Mark Probert<===
RF> MP> email at MSProbert@aol.con
RF> According to the book Complete Guide to Prescription &
RF>Non-Prescription  Drugs;New 6th Edition;Page 643;Possible Interaction
RF>with Other Substances;  Foods:Foods containing tyramine may raise
RF>blood pressure.  On Page 1099 of  the glossary-Tyramine-Normal
RF>chemical component of the body that helps sustain blood
RF> pressure.  Can raise to fatal levels in combination with some
RF>drugs.Some of  these foods are: Beverages-Alcohol, especially Chianti
RF>or robust red wines, vermouth,
RF> ale, beer. Breads- Homemade bread with a lot of yeast and breads or
RF>crackers   containing cheese.  Fats-Sour Cream.  Fruits-Bananas, red
RF>plums, avocados,  figs, raisins.  Meats and meat substitutes-Aged
RF>game, liver, canned meats, salami,
RF> sausage, cheese, salted dried fish, pickled herring.
RF>Vegetables-Italian   broad beans, green bean pods, eggplant.
RF>Miscellaneous-Yeast concentrates or  extracts, marmite, soup cubes,
RF>commercial gravy, soy sauce. any protein food   that has been stored
RF>improperly or is spoiled.  Now I am not suggesting all children with
RF>ADHD have reactions to these foods.  And certainly if a person had
RF>ADHD and had a reaction without taking medica-  tion I would say they
RF>are allergic.  But my child was taking ritalin and  (caffine was
RF>listed on Page 643) chocolate contains a type of Caffine.    This and
RF>other foods reacted badly.  Giving him severe headaches.  These
RF>headaches came only when he ate such foods.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: REGINA FINAN was thinking about ADD in Children and keyed into
cyberspace:
I guess we agree. Headaches as a result of food ingestion. No problem.
ADHD as a result of food ingestion. No way.
For a diagnosis of ADHD to be properly made, the clinician must rule out
each and every cause of the symptoms that can be ruled out. If food
causes the problem, fine.
But, when nothing can be shown to cause the symptoms, and the symptoms
complex meets the criteria for ADHD, then you have a case of true ADHD.
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user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "Downtown".

They wrote:
RF> MP> Remember, ADHD can make a good parent look bad.
RF> Yes, I know this, but this information my help you understand, but
RF>doesn't  solve the problem of finding a way to created an enviornment
RF> that is less stressed for the child.  If the child feels less stress
RF>and we can help  them learn to cope and manage their disorder Stress
RF> is greatly reduced in the home .  This is what I have been striving
RF>to obtain.  I know I can't  cure it, I know it won't go away, but I
RF>know that knowledge and looking  for a way to lessen the tension will
RF>help us all.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: REGINA FINAN was thinking about Downtown and keyed into cyberspace:
Absolutely. That is why I tell people that they owe it to themselves and
their kids, and especially their ADHD kids, to take some time off from
the house. My wife and I go out for an hour every evening. To the
library, to shop, something. My ADHD 12 year old watches is 7 year old
brother who has CP. Josh blossoms when I give him this responsibility
and we never have a problem. Of course, the cellphone does keep us a few
minutes away.
I bought a boat two years ago. I just finished restoring it (it was sold
after being seized by the Coast Guard and DEA for drug running) as it
had some major damage. I plan to use this as a change of scenery for de-
stressing time.
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user: You are replying to Amber Floyd about "Thank YOU".

They wrote:
AF>    Yep, it is speed.  Stripped of the medecalese, here is my
AF>understanding of what is going on.  In an ADHD kids brain, the part
AF>that should help them slow down and pay attention dosn't work well.
AF>Their "Breaks" are mushy.  Ritalin speeds up the brain, in ALL people
AF>it takes, but it speeds up THIS part of the brain a bit more than it
AF>does the other parts, and for our kids, that is what they need.  More
AF>power to the breaks.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: AMBER FLOYD was thinking about Thank YOU and keyed into cyberspace:
The street term "speed" pertains to methamphetamine. Ritalin is
methylphenidate, with very few of the same characteristics as
methamphetamine. For those characteristics that they share, the chemical
actions are somewhat different.
Please do not refer to Ritalin as speed as it is not. The mass media,
the anti-Ritalin crowd, and the "ADHD is a made up condition" routinely
do this in a most derogatory manner. ADHD kids, addults, etc. have a
hard enough time obtaining acceptance of the condition as a real
disorder and our use of terminology can actually help this. If we use
the negative terms, then we are not helping.
This also goes for the issue of destructiveness. That word carries all
sorts of negatives that the ADHD child does not need. If the child
fidgets, and breaks something inadvertently, then they were careless.
Destructiveness sounds intentional and, when we try to explain the
behavior, it comes off as if we are making some lame excuse.
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system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dan Triplett about "Add Gene".

They wrote:
DT>Interesting stuff Martin.  I am not that familiar with the history of
DT>ADD or ADHD.  Has this been a disorder that has just been discovered
DT>or  is it a disorder related to drugs or alcohol?  I work in the
DT>public  school system and it seems that kids get "labeled" adhd when
DT>they have  varying attending difficulties and/or behavioral problems.
DT>Many are  impulsive and have difficult time organizing their time and
DT>materials.   Seems to me this is nothing new.....thoughts???
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: DAN TRIPLETT was thinking about Add Gene and keyed into cyberspace:
ADHD has been around for a long time. There is indication in the old
medical literature that it was identified as early as the late 19th
century. While it appears that it is "nothing new" the idea that there
is a treatable condition is *something new*. It shows a growth of
knowledge of the human condition. It shows that we understand human
behavior better.
A child who is having problems with attention, impulsivity and
organization in school is probably not learning very much. Instead of
them wasting their lives, there are ways to help them cope with these
problems and focus their energies on what kids should be doing:
learning.
And we do not label kids. A child who is having problems caused by ADHD
is *diagnosed* as such. Labeling is a word used because it has some
negative connotations. Finding out that there is a treatable condition
is a positive event.
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user: You are replying to All about "ADHD and the Education De".

They wrote:
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assistant: I have a copy of the memorandum from the US Department of Education that
classifies ADHD as "other health impaired". It is a useful weapon in
fighting with the school system.
If there is no objection, I will upload it. It is long, and may take up
several messages.
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system: You are Julie Decker, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Gary Cassidy about "In Tears".

They wrote:
GC>I woul dbe most appreciative if you would email me a copy of that file
>Julie.  My e-mail is gary.cassidy@blessed.midilink.org

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assistant: Sent it out 5/18. Let me know if it didn't reach you.
                                  :)Julie
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 X QMPro 1.53 X There is never enough Pepsi, sex or disk space!
system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to John Prather about "Re: Rittlen Question".

They wrote:
JP> MP> The slow growth problem is addressable by proper food and
JP> MP> medication  management. Meals should coincide with the
JP> MP> medication being taken, so  that they are eaten.
JP>We use the 20 mg SR tablets.  They last about 7 to 8 hours.  Ross
JP>just won't eat after they kick in.  His appetite is like a roller
JP>coaster, on or off the ritilin.
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assistant: JOHN PRATHER was thinking about Re: Ritalin Question and keyed into
cyberspace:
Then it doesn't matter. However, when he decides to eat, start
shoveling. We make sure Josh has a good breakfast and a good dinner. He
snacks in the evening, and we load that up with something good for him.
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user: You are replying to Ryan Williamson about "Thank YOU".

They wrote:
RW> SS>  Were you serious when you said ritalin was =pure speed, or
RW> SS> just  joking? I thought the stuff calmed down the brain ?? I
RW> SS> don't understand here, sorry.
RW>  ***From what I been told*** ritilan=pure speed.   That's why if a
RW>  person who is NOT suffering from ADD,etc.. takes it they will
RW>  "bounce off the walls".  For some reason it SLOWS down the brain in
RW>  people with ADD.
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assistant: RYAN WILLIAMSON was thinking about Thank YOU and keyed into cyberspace:
Hello Ryan. You have been misled. Ritalin, or methylphenidate (MPH), is
NOT pure "speed". "Speed" refers to the use of certain medication while
not under the care of a doctor. The line "Ritalin is pure speed" is used
to place the Ritalin user on the defensive as implying they are some
sort of criminal.
In actuality, there is very little in common between MPH and
methamphetamine (which is the usual for of "speed"). If a non-ADHD
person takes MPH (Ritalin) they will not be bouncing off the walls.
Also, MPH does not slow the brain. It actually makes the brain use
certain normally occurring brain chemicals work more efficiently at the
level of the non-ADHD brain.
Whoever is feeding you this information is not being honest with you.
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user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "IEP Hell".

They wrote:
RF> Well you are probably right, all I can say is since most parents, ME
RF>included  don't know all the rules, we seem to get stepped on and of
RF>course you want to  accept a professionals (this is what they call
RF>themselves) explanation.  Now if
RF> a child has a low IQ and the apptitude is much higher, wouldn't you
RF>say more  testing needs to be done to determine why there is a
RF>descrepancy?  I am only  learning about what is the law and what is
RF>not.  I am also trying to under-  stand what the school system has to
RF>do (under the law) to help an ADHD  child.  I can't for the life of
RF> me get it through my head how one district can say my child is SLD
RF>and another tell me he's not.  Also I just received  my AT & T
RF>internet package.  I will try to learn more about all this.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: REGINA FINAN was thinking about IEP Hell and keyed into cyberspace:
Here is the URL for CHADD:  http://www.chadd.org/. Promise me, though,
when you find out what the district has to do, you will not blow up any
of the administrators. It is a natural reaction to finding out how your
child has been shafted for so long and if you do, I'll get on the jury,
and make sure you are found not guilty. :)
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user: You are replying to Lawrence Dumas about "Re: Add Gene".

They wrote:
LD>     This is bang on, but to quibble a bit I maintain that the
LD>     "qualities" that come with this "condition" aren't behavioural
LD>     problems unless you take a child and force/expect him/her to sit
LD>     at a desk for hours on end ad nauseum.  I have become a fan of
LD>     Thom Hartman's theories as laid out in his book: "Attention
LD>     Deficit Disorder: A Different Perception". It is a good read and
LD>     I recommend it highly.  My interpretation of his thesis is that
LD>     ADHD is adaptive in an environment that is stimulating and
LD>     mal-adaptive in an environment that is not-stimulating.
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assistant: LAWRENCE DUMAS was thinking about Re: Add Gene and keyed into
cyberspace:
HOWEVER, to quibble a lot, a problem in school is not the sole criteria!
Read the DSM IV for what is required for a diagnosis of ADHD. Its
requirements are far more than the symptoms being present in school!
They also have to be present elsewhere. Elsewhere as in placers where a
child is NOT required to be sitting at a desk. And, with the repeated
use of the word often, a specialist in ADHD could clearly distinguish
ADHD behaviors from routine restlessness.
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user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "Help!".

They wrote:
RF> This is why disciple should be given in choices.  My children are
RF>accepting  the time out in their room without putting up a big fuss.
RF>They know that  certain behavior will give them a time out.  But they
RF>also know that they are  first given an opportunity to correct that
RF>behavior before a time out is  given.  I try to teach my children
RF>that mistakes are human, but when we make  a mistake we should
RF>correct it.  If we do not there are consequences to that  behavior.
RF>What you are doing is giving them the power to to control them-
RF>selves.  No I understand that they can't always do that.  Hence, that
RF>is  why they are givin two opportunities to try and of course, the
RF>tion  must be considered.  So far it is working with my children.
RF> LD> (1:229/510)
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RF> * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534)
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assistant: REGINA FINAN was thinking about Help! and keyed into cyberspace:
situa
Absolutely well put! The child is in control of their behavior, you give
them a chance to use the control (which, for the ADHD child may take a
little longer) and, if they then choose not to behave, they receive an
immediate response. Now, throw a little reward onto the fire, like if
they permanently stop something that you want permanently stopped, give
them a reward, and let them know why.
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user: You are replying to Trish Taylor about "Thank YOU".

They wrote:
TT>My doctor told me about a study that she knew of where they gave
TT>Ritalin to college students, both those  who had ADD and those who
TT>didn't.  All the students  who took the Ritalin, ADD or not, scored
TT>higher on tests than the students that were given placebos.  She said
TT>she thinks it ought to be put in the water.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: TRISH TAYLOR was thinking about Thank YOU and keyed into cyberspace:
Shhhhh! It IS in the water. It is put there by the CHADD-Ciba-Geigy-
Medical Establishment Conspiracy! <BG>
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