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system: You are Judith Labonte, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Lazarus Long about "Ian Begg 4".

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assistant: THank you for posting this.  Is there any way I can get a copy of
this?
I would really appreciate it.
About the part that says how people hear someone is accused of
molesting or abusing a child in a locker room and immediately everyone
is saying how they want two minutes alone with that person really made
me think.  Perhaps this is why we can't see the real perpetrators in
our society.  It is because we want to see them as monsters, we don't
see them as people.  I have never understood the desire to get even
with those who ARE real perps as studies have proven that perps were
often once victims themselves.
I really need a copy of this - it might help someone in my family win a
court appeal, possibly.
system: You are Lazarus Long, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Judith Labonte about "Re: Ian Begg 4".

They wrote:
JL> THank you for posting this.  Is there any way I can get a copy of
JL> this?
JL> our society.  It is because we want to see them as monsters, we don't
JL> see them as people.  I have never understood the desire to get even
JL> with those who ARE real perps as studies have proven that perps were
JL> often once victims themselves.
JL> I really need a copy of this - it might help someone in my family win
JL> a court appeal, possibly.

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assistant: sure... I could send it to the bbs you are posting from. I will do it
     tonite.
    Glad to help...I will be transcribing another presentation by a lawyer
    who has defended many false accusation cases in Canada. Look for it
    soon.
lazarusl@vaxxine.com
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system: You are Hank Ball, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Valery Frosty about "Re: Civil Suits & Social Services".

They wrote:
VF> Dear Hank,
VF> Thank you so much for writing.
VF>
VF> How horrible for all of you.  How is your wife doing now?  I
VF> know so many  people now that have served time for things
VF> they didn't do.
VF> just system."
HB> CPS workers here in Texas do not even have to have a degree in that
HB> field...ANY college degree will work!
VF> Here, a barber must have a FOUR year degree, and pass at
VF> least TWO state  licensing boards in order to be allowed to
VF> remove so much as one inch of  HAIR.  Yet a social worker
VF> needs only a two year degree, in any subject,  and there is
VF> no state licensing required to remove a CHILD.
HB> I also found out that the worker on our case had a degree in interior
HB> design!
VF>
VF> Maybe she/he didn't like your decor.  (No that was not an
VF> attempt at  humor, it is simply how they seem to rationalize
VF> things.)
VF>
VF> us can organize something and then we'll take it from there.
VF>  One  friend of mine suggested loading box cars (trains)
VF> full of case files of people that were victimized by CPS and
VF> sending it to the White House. There could be a whole lot of
VF> media attention and I think it would really generate a lot
VF> of interest, but who knows how much good it would do?   It
VF> also helps to have a reasonable alternative or another plan
VF> to follow if we should manage to pull CPS down, as there are
VF> children who do need protection from their families, and we
VF> don't want to leave them stranded in bad situations.
VF> Whatever we do, it HAS to be done right.  If you  have any
VF> ideas, I'd love to hear them.
VF> Talk to you later.  Say HI to your wife and kids for me.

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assistant: Valery of 1:161/19.0, writing to Hank typed:
MUCH better, now, thank you.  She, in fact, has started her own company and
is doing quite well, considering...
 ... "That truth and justice would prevail." and "That the legal system is a
The Texas judicial system is such a crock!  I'm teaching my children about
the way the Texas system really is; not the way we were led to believe in
school...Unfortunate, but true...
I'll try to think of something, I assure you!
I'll tell them!   BTW, when Jan had to go to prison here, her college
education was actually a hinderance...she and I are so much better educated
than the guards that they resented her and really felt like she and I were
looking down on her (especially when they found out that we were not only
educated, but also were business owners, homeowners, and I also have held an
extremely well-paying job for about 15 years.).  They just didn't seem to
have a category to fit us in to...
Val, good luck, and in any case, please keep the faith and keep us
informed...Our prayers are with you and your family...
Sincerely,
            Hank Ball
system: You are Lazarus Long, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Judith Labonte about "Ian Begg 4".

They wrote:
JL> Sending it to the BBS - that piece about false accusation -
JL> probably  won't help as I don't know how to download and
JL> upload.  However the  P O Box might help.  My mailing
JL> address for snail mail is PO Box 682 Worcester MA 01602.  I
JL> now have permission to say who it is that was  falsely

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assistant: Judith Labonte pontificated in a message to Lazarus Long:
   Ok...it's in the mail... hope it gets to you soon.
Good luck.
Rationally Yours,
Lazarus Long
system: You are Roger Brown, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Judith Labonte about "Where things are headed".

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assistant: Thank you for the response.  I agree with you.  These people refuse to see
that they are destroying our entire civilization.  The family is the basic
unit of civilization, destroy it and you destroy everthing.  My greatest fear
is that these people will resist any sane solution and the malitias will be
the only viable solution.  Many people think I am some kind of slime ball for
fighting this so hard.  I have two reasons.  If I never see my daughter
again, I do not want her to grow up in a country that looks like Beruit or or
the mess in the former Russian Empire.  The other is that it is my duty as a
Christian to fight evil in the world.  Somehow, I doubt many of the child
abuse hysteria supporters will believe either reason.  It would be too
uncomfortable for them.
system: You are Joe Sager, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Hank Ball about "Civil Suits & Social Services".

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assistant: Hello Hank!
I just noticed you're from Texas also have you had bad experiences with CPS?
Joe
... Liberal: one who lies about the past, and then tries to repeat it!
system: You are Roger Brown, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Bob Hirschfeld about "Ranting".

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assistant: If I am in error, I will apologize in advance, but I believe you responded to
a message I ssent to Barb Murphy.  I intended to respond to it, but it is off
the que now.
It was not my intent to be ranting.  Barb asked me if I had been abused.  My
response in part was to ask for her criteria for determining if abuse had
occured.  If she had responded, I intended to point out the problem in
determining what was abuse.  The first principle of Bhudism is that all life
is sorrowful.  There is a sound reason for stating that as a First Principle.
We live at the expense of other organisms and other humans.  There are
injustices that are structural and those that are personal.  My question,
"Was I abused when forced in to the Army for two years and trained to kill
people for your protection" raised such a distinction.  My answer to this
would be no.  This is structural injustice, not the result of an individual
act.  Commiting child abuse, and falsely accusing someone of child abuse are
both individual acts and I would argue are abuse - the same class of abuse.
Eliminating structural abuse, such as institutional and institutionalized
child abuse are collective decisions that have to be made.  Falsely accusing
someone of child abuse, even if wide spread, is still an issue of individual
responsibility.  ANY individual falsely accusing someone child abuse should
be held accountable.  I like the Hungarian solution.  If someone falsely
accuses anyone of a crime, they recieve the same sentence the falsely accused
individual would have recieved if he had been guilty.  I hope this corrects
any misperceptions./
system: You are Allen Cowling, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Don Frosty about "Case Update".

They wrote:
DF>Well, that's it.  Court is August 2nd, from 10 am PST until we finish
DF>sometime in the afternoon.  Wish us luck.

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assistant: Hi Don.  I read your update just after writing to Valerie and needless
to say, my heat goes out to you.
August 2nd is court?  Let us know wht happens.  You guys are in our
prayers.
Allen
system: You are Allen Cowling, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Valery Frosty about "Civil Suits 1/2   2/2".

They wrote:
>>> Continued from previous message
VF>I've been hearing a lot about the DAUBERT decision lately.  It must be a
VF>pretty good one.  I'll have to look into that one.  It doesn't apply in
VF>our case, but I know of others where it may.
VF>(sarcasm mode on)  How wonderful!  (mode off)  Get this, my "friends" case
VF>supposedly involves sexual abuse, and her family has the backing of the
VF>local MASA representative for their case.
VF>Oh brother!  (sarcasm mode on again) I guess this makes me a child
VF>too then.  My father definately was a child molester and two of my sons
VF>were accused of it!  I guess there's no doubt about it now.  I MUST be a
VF>child molester!  Perhaps I'm doing it in my sleep and even the victim is
VF>unaware of it. (sarcasm mode off now)  I really wonder what line some of
VF>these people were standing in when brains got passed out.

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assistant: I commented earlier about DAUBERT, but as I understand it, DAUBERT
basically turned expert testimony upside down and personally, I think
it's the best ruling to appear in a while.  Think about it.  A person is
accused of sexually molesting a child.  The state has a psychologist as
does the defense.  One says the child was molested and the other says,
not.  Where is the scientific proof?  There is noe and it becomes a
question of "Who the jury likes best."  Something wrong with that
system!
Fantastic.  I guess we would to except for the fact they appeared to be
on the prosecutor's payroll <G>.
olester
Well, most of them thought the good Lord said "RAIN" instead of brains,
and ran for cover.
Hey I just noticed your tag line; Pittsburg, CA.  Is that where you are
from.  If so, I was in your area not long ago and met some of the most
fantastic people.  We started in San Diego (the grand jury) and kind of
worked our way up-state.  Some of our best help came from San Diego.
Met a woman named Carol Hopkins who served on the grand jury during
their studies into the false accusations of child abuse.  She had a
wealth of information and a world of great contacts.  You could not meet
a finer woman anywhere.
Well, I've all but turned this into a short BOOK <G>, so I'll let you
go, but good luck and I'll be praying for YOUR FRIEND! <G>.  Hang in
there and never give up the fight.
It was great hearing from you and tell your husband hello.
system: You are Hank Ball, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Don Frosty about "Case Update".

They wrote:
DF> Well, that's it.  Court is August 2nd, from 10 am PST until
DF> we finish  sometime in the afternoon.  Wish us luck.

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assistant: Don of 1:161/19.0, writing to All typed:
Don, I've posted to Val a couple of times and received replies...Good Luck
and our prayers are with you...
Sincerely,
            Hank Ball
system: You are George Hero, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "For your info...".

They wrote:
>> CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE <<

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assistant: ========================================================================
 Forwarded here by George Hero (1:396/17.27)
========================================================================
 Area:    NETMAIL
 Date:    22 Jul 95  19:57:23  Private
 From:    tgrant@COMTCH.IEA.COM                             (396/17)
 To:      George Hero                                       (396/17)
 Subject: Wenatchee                                                [2]
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and the whole pile of sex ring allegations could collapse if the defense
gets the best of him.  However, because this trial is in Douglas County
(East Wenatchee) and the majority of cases are in Chelan County (Wenatchee
proper), I believe Chelan County prosecutors will want to take their own
shot no matter what happens in the Sims case.  And if Sims is convicted, I
believe a number of the accused would begin scrambling to cut a deal.  At
this point however, the Sims defense appears quite confident while the
prosecutor appears to be a bit off balance.
        One note on the trial: The first newspaper account of the story led
with an account of the judge admonishing the defense for going too hard on
one of the child witnesses.  In court the next day, the defense told the
judge that he'd like a better signal when he was being admonished.  And the
judge said, funny, he didn't recall admonishing him.  The reporter later
told people at the trial that her editor had written the first five
paragraphs himself, over her objection, because he was trying to juice up
the story. The reporter says she won't let it happen again.
        Tom
Tom Grant  tgrant@comtch.iea.com
Reporter, KREM-TV, PO Box 8037, Spokane, WA 99202
Phone: 509-838-7373
-+- GIGO+ sn 234 at nopc vsn 0.99.950303
system: You are Rick Thoma, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Allen Cowling about "Civil Suits 1/2   1/2".

They wrote:
> Milton Silverman ripped away at a prosecutor's immunity in a case
> in California . . .

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assistant: Please provide a pointer toward this particular case.  It ought make for
interesting reading.
system: You are Rick Thoma, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Allen Cowling about "Civil Suits 2/2".

They wrote:
> VF>. . . Somehow or other, my "friend" just happened to tape
> VF> the social worker admitting . . .
> No they had no idea they had been taped. . .

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assistant: In Virginia, the statute holds that prior to recording a social worker, under
circumstances of an investigation in progress, that you must notify the
worker that the tape is being made, and that acknowledgment of same must be
recorded before any further discussion takes place. It may be prudent for all
to check their local statutes for similar provisions.
I think it reasonable to presume that the defense will render motion for
suppression of such a tape as evidence, and that one ought be prepared for
such a contingency.
system: You are Rick Thoma, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Virginia:JHR 481 history".

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assistant: * Forwarded from "CHILD_ABUSE_ISSUES"
DOCUMENT TITLE: HJR 481 Study- allegations of child abuse.
HJR 481 Study- allegations of child abuse.
Patron-Delegate Stephen D. Newman
Summary at end of session:
Study; false allegations of child abuse.  Directs the joint
subcommittee studying child protective services pursuant to House
Joint Resolution No. 502 (1995) to examine the use of allegations of
abuse to obtain child custody.
01/19/95  Presented & ordered printed LD4764382
02/03/95  Committee substitute printed LD3706382-H1
02/19/95  Committee substitute printed LD3038382-S1
03/17/95  Enrolled bill text (HJ481ER)
Status:
01/19/95  Referred to Committee on Rules
01/27/95  Assigned to Rules sub-committee: 3
02/02/95  Reported from Rules with substitute (9-Y 0-N)
02/04/95  Committee substitute agreed to LD3706382-H1
02/04/95  Engrossed by House - com. sub. LD3706382-H1
02/04/95  Agreed to by House (Block Vote) (100-Y 0-N)
02/04/95  VOTE: BLOCK VOTE PASSAGE (100-Y 0-N)
02/04/95  Communicated to Senate
02/06/95  Read first time
02/06/95  Referred to Committee on Rules
02/17/95  Reported from Rules with substitute
02/20/95  Reading waived (40-Y 0-N)
02/20/95  VOTE: (40-Y 0-N)
02/21/95  Read third time
02/21/95  Reading of substitute waived
02/21/95  Committee substitute agreed to LD3038382-S1
02/21/95  Engrossed by Senate - comm. sub. LD3038382-S1
02/21/95  Agreed to by Senate with substitute by voice vote
02/22/95  Placed on Calendar
02/23/95  Senate substitute agreed to by House (98-Y 0-N)
02/23/95  VOTE: ADOPTION (98-Y 0-N)
system: You are Bill Swan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Zaynab Richmond about "Re: CPS".

They wrote:
ZR>I am just glad to see another message about a man making the false
ZR>accusations.  It is my hope that those who see this problem only as a
ZR>lying-woman problem will take note.  Men make false accusations too.

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assistant: This may be an old thread by now, but I will back Zaynab up here.  Though
the accusations are predominantly by the wife against the husband, it does
go the other way also.  We know a woman in prison since '89 (with about
two years to go) who was victimized by such an accusation, cooked up by
hubby and his girlfriend (later wife) to get the house, the kids, every-
thing, and Debbie out of the way.
The case of Debbie's DayCare snowballed (back in '85) and by the time it
went to trial we were hearing lots in the local media about this "Satanic
Lesbian Child-Molesting Daycare Owner."  We met Debbie a year later, on a
protest march in Olympia (she recognized us and felt it was safe to reveal
her identity to us, such was her state of mind back then), and finally got
to hear the other side of the story.
I will say, though, that of all the false-accusation cases which come our
way, it is predominantly women who make the false accusations.  There are
multiple reasons for this which I shan't go into here.
 * OLX 2.1 TD * Cycling: The shorter the route the steeper the hills!
system: You are Bill Swan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Allen Cowling about "WITCHHNT Internet list".

They wrote:
AC>Hi Bill,
AC>Well, finally made it to California.  am in San Diego right now and then
AC>headed up state to Sacramento.  I planned to come on up through
AC>Washington after Sacramento, but because of a late start, we are going
AC>from there to Colorado, Kansas, Texas and then back to Mississippi so,
AC>believe me, I hate it, but I don't guess I'll get to meet you this trip.

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assistant: Sorry to hear this Al, and I'm sorry to be SO slow in responding.  My FIDO
connection went down in late March, I got *busy* what with two jobs (which
is still going on, but I'm close  --I hope-- to winding down the contract
job so I can get back to a five-day work-week, from seven), and so I just
got back on.. with *hundreds* of messages in this echo (I've dropped all
the others) to catch up on.      I will try to make regular (weekly) contact
with this echo again.
In the meantime, if you or anyone else is interested, I have learned about
an Internet mailing list:
"(Is there a child sex abuse witchhunt?)"  WITCHHNT@mitvma.mit.edu
Issues related to this question include:
        Ritual abuse in nursery schools (eg. McMartin preschool,
             Little Rascals, and Fells Acres cases).
        Other potential sources of false accusations of child sexual abuse.
        "Recovered vs Implanted memories"
        Are defendents in these cases treated fairly?
        Are the allegations themselves true or false?
        What is the scientific basis for verifying/falsifying and allegation?
        What has happened in a given case?
To subscribe, send the following message to listserv@mitvma.mit.edu:
subscribe witchhnt Your Name
If you want the daily digest instead (I recommend this; I get one piece
of e-mail instead of dozens a day) send this:
subscribe witchhnt Your Name
set digests
Lately the list seems to have been taken over by a yelling match between
some of the participants, and it has mostly centered on False Memory
Syndrome issues, but other cases crop up.  There has, for example, been
some discussion of the East Wenatchee (WA) witchhunt, wherein some 37
adults, mostly members of a particular church, have been accused of
molesting their various children under the guise of Friday night services
(and other bizarre allegations).
-Bill
 * OLX 2.1 TD * "Erring on the side of the child" is also child abuse!
system: You are Rick Thoma, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Victims/Falseacc message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Their Satanic Majesties Request:01".

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assistant: I recall with fondness my first visit to Central Florida, circa 1975.
The Haunted Mansion in the DisneyWorld Resort left me stunned, the
ride tossing me into the tree lined avenues of AdventureLand in a
daze, so realistic seemed the special effects the Imagineers employed
in its construction.
It's apparent realism notwithstanding, I knew it was but fantasy.  An
important distinction, as I discovered today a ride that rivals even
the imagination of the long departed, albeit cryogenically preserved,
Walt Disney.
Lest our esteemed moderator think me having taken to rambling, I'll
get to my point.  While surfing the Internet this morning I came upon
rather a unique site located at www.xroads.com; none other than the
Ritual Abuse Home Page.  Reasoning that any opportunity to "get into
the minds" of the individuals who adhere to such a belief system may
serve as illuminating, I clicked the mouse to take the ride.  And what
a wild ride it was!
In order to apply some perspective, let us first refresh our memories
as to the findings of the San Diego Grand Jury, 1991, insofar as its
findings have applicability within the context of this journey.  Let
us also keep in mind recent the events in Massachusetts which oddly
enough serve to parallel the events of Salem, Massachusetts, of a
thought to be bygone era.
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