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>DB> If we keep making the film smaller, does the dot keep getting
>Nice catch, but within those limits, going from 8 x 10 to Minox should
>result in a much brighter image at the same field of view.
>
>BD> The area involved might cause an illusion of greater brightness
>BD> for the smaller image but the result would be the same.
>Wouldn't a smaller number of grains of film be used to make the same
>image...
>... with more light falling on each grain?
>BD> If the sensitivity changes so does the ISO, else the system is
>BD>without merit.  ASA or ISO is a measurement denoting a relative
>BD>sensitivity to exposure.
>In the Minox format, is each grain less sensitive than each grain of
>the same ISO film in 8 x 10?
>My guess is that the change in focal length (to keep the same field of
>view) results in a change in the size of the lens opening (to keep the
>f-stop) that equalizes everything.
>If this is true, then the ISO 100 in the Minox is the same as the ISO
>100 in the 8 x 10.
>BD> From the apparent drift of your questions, I'll volunteer that
>actual sharpness (in definition, acutance) of a lens need not be as
>larger formats as what is required for smaller.

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assistant: From: edsukach@juno.com (Edward Sukach)
Subject: Re: Brightness/ Don Burke
brighter?
I agree.  To answer here, you have to be very careful of the specific
conditions you are talking about.  The *brightness* will be the same...
no matter what the *size* of the image, IF NOTHING ELSE is considered.
Remember that the primary control for "brightness recording" on film
(translates to "density") is the EXPOSURE.  An image of the sun two
meters in diameter will contain the same amount of light per unit of area
as an image one millimeter in diameter.  If an image is captured at a
given exposure, on a given film, the density will be the same, no matter
what the format size.
Yes.
No.  Where would the "extra light" come from?  There is no optical
"mechanism" that would automatically increase the amount of energy, in
the form of light, purely from the reduction in image size.
degree of
Yup.
No. They are the same.... same film, same grains...
same
True.  "f/stop" is exactly that; DEFINED as: The focal length of the lens
(actually, aperture-to-film distance) or "f", divided by the diameter of
the lens aperture, "d"... "f/d".
Yes.
great for
Also true.  The characteristic determining the design requirement here is
"resolution", and it is given in terms of the "circle of confusion".
Generally, 1/30 mm is accepted as the norm for 35mm lenses... I can't
remember.... something like 1/20 mm for 2 1/4..... more for 8" x 10";
less (much) for "Minox".
The one saving aspect here is that a smaller lens with the increased
resolving power is easier to produce than a "large" one.
Ed, H.B.
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