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system: You are Jeff Hunter, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mary Beth Parisi about "Re: cravings???".

They wrote:
> I've written in here a few times but haven't gotten many responses
> back.
> ..right now this is me putting my hand out to others in the program
> for suggestions/help...I have a little over 3 1/2 yrs sober...not really
> important but a fact that may help...I am about to graduate college and
> am under alot of stress...I'm meditating, doing alot of meetings, talking
> with my sponsor and others everyday...but when the stress gets high I
> taste scotch...this is scaring the heck out of me...no one seems to be
> able to understand this or has ever gone through it...can anyone tell me
> anything??? I appreciate any of your ES&H you are willing to give me on
> this...

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assistant: Hello Mary Beth,
I can relate to that, it happens to me also. <smile>
That is frightening isn't it? It has not happened to me is a long time, I
think it had something to so with a specific situation that I drank "at".
With this in mind, did you drink to relieve or to overcome stress and any
or all stressful situations in the past?
Apart from this,  I'll bet you are busy  burning the candle at both ends,
not geting enough sleep,  not eating peoperly,  not taking time to simply
relax for a few minutes and so on.  Any, and especially, all of the above
are potentially detrimental to one's soberity. Is there something you can
find the time to do that will help out with the stress? Meditation should
help, but apparently in your case it is not working so well. Have you had
a moment to try excercise? This sometimes is helpful; its opposite can be
true also; lying down and taking a short nap, for example.
Hopefully this may stimulate some ideas that will work for you. <smile>
Jeff
system: You are Jeff Hunter, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Tree Walsh about "Re: process".

They wrote:
> It's true. The 12 step framework, while an excellent model does not
> necessarily work for *everyone*.  I think the founders recognized this
> and had the wisdom to add: 'take what you need and leave the rest'.
> Don't get me wrong.  By saying that the 12 step 'framework' doesn't
> work for me doesn't mean that I don't heve to do what is outlined in
> underlying principals of the steps.  I firmly believe that if one does
> not do the self examination and behavior changes described in the
> steps they are simply not on the road to recovery...they may be clean
> and/or sober....but that's *not* recovery.

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assistant: Hi Tree..
Forgive my jumping in here, but I gotta ask...
Perhaps I am incredibly dense or something; I see you saying that the 12
step framework does not work for you. OK, then I see you saying that you
believe one must do the "self examination and behavior changes described
in the steps."
What else is there? I see the steps, the whole program, in fact, as being
about self examination, discovery and change.  I think that is why we are
here, to change old thinking patterns,  old behavior patterns and to dump
old resentments and so on;  all this to force the basic changes that will
allow us to live without the aid of alcohol.
Will you please expand upon the thoughts posted in the two paragraphs you
see quoted above? Honestly, I do not understand where you are coming from
and as I think you may have an important idea, I thought it worthwhile to
ask this special favor. <smile>
Jeff
system: You are Pat Winstanley, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Tim Dill about "Re: New Prespectives".

They wrote:
TD>  However there is a program known as Clutterers Anonymous...

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assistant: Hi Tim,
Friday April 12 1996 12:27, Tim Dill wrote to Richard Ward:
That reminds me of when I was about 16 or 17, and *had* to pass an English
exam. (About similar to High School Graduation, I think). It was my third
attempt, and none of the essay subjects appealed to me. The only one that
seemed faintly possible was "My collection of...".
I wrote about the collection of rubbish in my bedroom, just for the sake of
writing something, anything, and I passed! :-))
All I can think of is that the marker had teenage children and identified
with the portrayal I gave of my Mum's exasperation with me...
Perhaps it was an omen... the clutter and rubbish hasn't decreased over the
years - now I have a whole house to mess up, instead of just one bedroom...
and it is *definitely* unmanageable!
Pat
system: You are Andrew Dettman, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Esther Lindenfeld about "Re: multi-program recovery".

They wrote:
JL>> coming on nine years clean and sober by the grace of my Higher
JL>> Power, whom I choose to call God, on April 18th
EL> ................. Well needless to say I didn't pick up and
EL> I thank my Higher Power for that, whom I choose to call Goddess. It
EL> is so hard sometimes to feel this stuff and every instinct in me
EL> wants to run and escape cause the feelings scare me so much.
JL>> .................................. That relapse was good
JL>> for me - it got me desperate enough to try anything, even those 12
JL>> steps everyone kept talking about. And they work for me when I
JL>> work at them.
EL> Thanks for sharing and allowing me the opportunity to share
EL> with you as well. Again Congratulations on your 9 yrs. of being
EL> clean and sober. I relate to the fight of staying that way as well.

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assistant: ~
Hello Esther Lindenfeld, keep coming back...
Wednesday, 10 April 1996 05:37:38, Esther Lindenfeld wrote to JUDITH
LABONTE Subject: Re: multi-program recovery
Your story touched me so deeply as you shared with Judith that I am
drawn to make some kind of contact with both of you. The fact that,
between you, you have united the Higher Power of the 12 Step Programmes
by one of you choosing to call the Higher Power *God* and the other
choosing to call the Higher Power *Goddess*, transmits such real hope to
me that this Higher Power which heals through all of the Fellowships
which work the 12 Step Programme is none other than The Holy Spirit.
In my understanding The Holy Spirit connects everything both seen and
unseen in an all encompassing Whole, as such It is also a *compass* due
to It being all encompassing and thus It does not leave us floundering
in a mush of confusion with no distinction between sickness and health;
rather there is the possibility for there being a solution to every
problem and a healing for any lack. That this healing is primarily one
of our own *understanding*, then we are released from wanting every
material and physical problem resolved absolutely. This is not a matter
of dogged acceptance of physical adversity with a kind of sullen
resilience, rather for me it is an evolution of energetic transformation
which needs only the courage to dare to be opened to a Loving and Caring
Higher Power of our own understanding that such an evolution may be
catalysed in every area of our lives.
In this fight which is fought in the inner battleground we are not left
alone, at least this has been my experience. We lose many battles, but
those of us who believe in the God of our understanding shall win the
war, wherever that war is fought and whatever the real nature of the
adversary may or may not be.
Love to you and yours.
Best wishes,
Andrew.
.!. Let each man exercise the art he knows.      Aristophanes
system: You are Shadowcat, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "I've moved!".

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assistant: Hi! This is the same shadowcat calling from a new origin point! I have
incredible gratitude to Ron A. in  Tacoma who's bbs introduced me to
FIDONET...  but will be here from now on... because, sad to say, it's less
costly to make a call in B.C. than to call down to Washington State.
So.... I keep coming back... but have moved. Also, this bbs has other echoes
that the other didn't (like the Meeting After!) so I am happily reading many
postings.
I really enjoy this discussion, and thank you to everyone who writes to me!
Have a great 24 everyone!
:)
Shadowcat
system: You are Kitty Jones, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mary Beth Parisi about "cravings???".

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assistant: Hello Mary Beth. I'm an alcoholic and my name is Kitty. I know what you are
going through, I've been through it. I also, have 3 1/2 years of soberity
(I'll have 4 years Aug. 22, 1996) and there are days when stress gets to much
and I too can taste and even smell the liquor I use to drink, but luckly it's
only in my mind, and not really in my mouth. I've come to far to let stress,
anger or anything/anyone get me to pick up a drink of alcohol. I haven't been
able to make many meetings lately, but I do speak w/my sponsor often and read
all the AA stuff on the computer I can. Anyway, writing, reading on here
helps. Hope to hear from you again. When is your 4 year anniversary?
GLYSDI
Kitty
system: You are Kitty Jones, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Judith Labonte about "Re: Day by Day".

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assistant: Thank you, I really needed to hear that tonight. :))
GLYSDI
Kitty
system: You are Kitty Jones, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Pat Winstanley about "Re: New Prespectives".

They wrote:
PW> TD>  However there is a program known as Clutterers Anonymous...
PW>That reminds me of when I was about 16 or 17, and *had* to
PW>pass an English exam. (About similar to High School
PW>Graduation, I think). It was my third attempt, and none of
PW>the essay subjects appealed to me. The only one that seemed
PW>faintly possible was "My collection of...".
PW>I wrote about the collection of rubbish in my bedroom, just for the
PW>sake of  writing something, anything, and I passed! :-))
PW>All I can think of is that the marker had teenage children
PW>and identified with the portrayal I gave of my Mum's
PW>exasperation with me...
PW>Perhaps it was an omen... the clutter and rubbish hasn't
PW>decreased over the years - now I have a whole house to mess
PW>up, instead of just one bedroom... and it is *definitely*
PW>unmanageable!

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assistant: I just had to stick my 2 cents in this :), Hi I'm an alcoholic and my
name is Kitty. I read your message when I needed to, meaning, I've been
really down on myself lately for having the house such a mess (there's
only my son and I) and I thought I was the messiest person in the world
and that I don't deserve to have this place as I can't even keep it
clean, anyway, reading your message has helped alot, thank you. It's not
that I like the mess, I just can't seem to keep it clean, not from
lacking of trying mind you. I hope I made sense. Thanks again.
___
 * POW 1.1  On Trial * GLYSDI
system: You are Kitty Jones, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Andrew Dettman about "Thankyou.".

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assistant: There's not always Sunshine down here, but most days are nice. What's the
weather like there? Well, you almost have a year :))), Congratulations early.
I know, this is suppose to be one day at a time program, I'm jumping the gun,
oh well, I guess there's still alittle bit of rebel left in me too :) Well,
need to get going, keep coming back. :)
GLYSDI
Kitty
system: You are Harriet Levy, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mary Beth Parisi about "CRAVINGS???".

They wrote:
==> A hush fell over the room when Mary Beth Parisi said to All <==
MBP> when the stress gets high I taste scotch...this is scaring the heck
MBP> out of me...no one seems to be able to understand this or has ever
MBP> gone through it...can anyone tell me anything??? I appreciate any of
MBP> your ES&H you are willing to give me on this...

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assistant: Hi Mary Beth,
I've experienced that.  Not in a while, though.  However, when I was,
I guess, around 2-3 years sober, when I'd get stressed out, I would
be able to *taste* gin.  The first time it happened, it scared the
crap out of me....I rushed home, called my sponsor, who replied with
a "Oh, that's just a different kind of drink signal".  He calmed me
down, and convinced me that I didn't *have* to ACT on it....that my
disease was just looking for a different way to get me to drink.
Hope this helps...
BTW, are you related to a Cathy Parisi in Woodstock, NY??
Harriet
... The elephant said to the naked man, "How do you eat with that thing?"
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system: You are Gary Clark, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mary Beth Parisi about "cravings???".

They wrote:
MBP> but when the stress gets high I taste scotch...
MBP> this is scaring the heck out of me...no one seems to be
MBP> able to understand this or has ever gone through it...can anyone tell
MBP> anything??? I appreciate any of your ES&H you are willing to give me
MBP> on this...

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assistant: Hello Mary!
14 Apr 96 15:37, Mary Beth Parisi wrote to All:
e
I think they call that a craving right ? :) Since alcohol is how we've always
tended to handle high stress situations then something real big like a long
term deal like graduation deserves a real big reward... after all we've
worked long and hard at it right ? Makes sense that the craving would be
equally as strong.
Why does it happen ... cause we are alcholics... what can we do about it ?
Well it seems to me whenever that kind of thing has happened to me I revert
to thinking that TODAY isn't the day that I am concerning myself with.
If you can keep your head and heart in today, then the real day will come and
go quite nicely.
Ask how many folks on a hot summer day if they get a real solid craving for a
cold beer because it would just taste good .. forgetting all about the other
things that happened after "the" cold beer. ;)
Gary
system: You are Linda Glover, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Richard Ward about "Re: New Prespectives".

They wrote:
> JL> called "Messies anonymous" - I was wondering if you or anyone else
> RW> Never heard of them!  Sorry ....   ;-)
> TD>  However there is a program known as Clutterers Anonymous...
> Those of the "pack rat" nature, I suppose.  ;-)

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assistant: That's me...where do I sign up.  Actually, that's something I'm making more
progress on than other programs sometimes :-)!!!!  Can't stand the clutter
anymore...need some order in my life and I think I'm finally managing it
:-)!!!
Hugs,
Linda
system: You are William Kinmond, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mary Beth Parisi about "cravings???".

They wrote:
MP> I've written in here a few times but haven't gotten many
MP> responses back...right now this is me putting my hand out to
MP> others in the program for suggestions/help...I have a little over
MP> 3 1/2 yrs sober...not really important but a fact that may
MP> help...I am about to graduate college and am under alot of
MP> stress...I'm meditating, doing alot of meetings, talking with my
MP> sponsor and others everyday...but when the stress gets high I
MP> taste scotch...this is scaring the heck out of me...no one seems
MP> to be able to understand this or has ever gone through it...can
MP> anyone tell me anything??? I appreciate any of your ES&H you are
MP> willing to give me on this...
MP>

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assistant: Hello Mary!
Sunday April 14 1996 15:37, Mary Beth Parisi wrote to All:
    I can't say that I have the same thing here but I can tell you that there
are times in my life now where the stress is so high for me that I feel the
rush of a shot of cocane.  I was into drugs a lot more then I was into boze
but it is all the same.  I was under stress today and I did feel what your
talking about.  It felt to me like I was shooting up right there in the
middle of the place that I was.  I know that I had to end it right then and
there for if I did not then I would be out there looking for the real thing.
I had to start to play the whole tape that was running in my head.  For it
was just that a tape of what it would feel like to do that.  I played it to
the end to see that if I did go and get it I would be at the bottom again.
For me it was a way to let me know that my monster is still there and looking
for me to feed it again. It has been 2 years and 3 months for me.  It tells
me that I still have a lot of work to do here.
William
... It's not the money I want, it's the stuff.
system: You are William Kinmond, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Peggy Peach about "Hello".

They wrote:
PP>
PP> Hi Daile.
PP>
PP> Just found this 12-step echo.  Want to talk about the steps and
PP> recovery?
PP>
PP> Gone to any meetings lately, or are you still isolating?
PP>
PP> Use your phone or post here, I know you lurk.
PP>
PP> Peggy

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assistant: Hello Peggy!
Sunday April 14 1996 14:44, Peggy Peach wrote to Daile:
    Welcome to the echo and I do hope that it has a few things that you would
like to talk about here.  I like it here and have been here for a while.  I
don't post as much as I would like to but I do get in there and at least let
every one know that I am here.
William
... Captain, why not just give the Borg Windows 3.1?
system: You are Mary Beth Parisi, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Kurt J. Tischer about "cravings???".

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assistant: I think you are right...after I took care of all that was building up and
stressing me out it passed...talked with my sponsor and he said that i have
the habit of not telling people what is bothering me unless it is alcohol
related and things build up to pressure cooker level...so, I have made a
commitmentment to talk more to my sponsor ans support system and use this
forum more often...I appreciate that someone else went through a similar
thing and that I'm not going bonkers...thank you for the suggestions and
please, keep in touch
MB
system: You are Mary Beth Parisi, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jeff Hunter about "Re: cravings???".

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assistant: Jeff...thanks for responding...glad I'm not in a vacume here...the fact is I
am graduating in a month from college and working as well as doing an
internship...the situation I was in that brought back the taste of scotch was
one that I usually did drink at...took some time off this weekend to just
abng around with my kid and relax...it helped emensely and then I took care
of bussiness...have made a commitment to my sponsor and support system that i
will talk to them more and think things are too insignificant to talk about
less...I appreciate you taking the time to let me know you are
there...please, keep in touch
]
MB
system: You are Mary Beth Parisi, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Tree Walsh about "cravings???".

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assistant: Hi Tree...thanks for letting me know this...actually I tell clients this all
the time but forgot it for myself...but now I realize that I am not
superwoman and need to relax more and take more time with friends...I'm glad
to hear from you and that i'm not going nuts...the fact that this never
happened to me in 3 1/2 years doesn't make me inmune...needed to hear it from
others in the same situation to calm my jets...thank you
Keep in touch
MB
system: You are Joan Rea, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Tree Walsh about "cravings???".

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assistant: Thank you!   This is a thing which has come up once in a while for me for 26
years and I've never had any explanation, just weird looks.  I'm a diabetic
as well as alcoholic and, when my blood sugars drop too low or get very high,
I can taste blackberry brandy.  Even doctors have just ahemmed and said
'strange.'  AA members used to give me weird looks so I haven't talked about
it for several years.  Live & learn eh?
system: You are Pat Winstanley, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mary Beth Parisi about "Re: cravings???".

They wrote:
MBP> over 3 1/2 yrs sober...not really important but a fact that
MBP> may help...I am about to graduate college and am under alot
MBP> of stress...I'm meditating, doing alot of meetings, talking
MBP> with my sponsor and others everyday...but when the stress
MBP> gets high I taste scotch...this is scaring the heck out of

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assistant: Hi Mary,
Sunday April 14 1996 15:37, Mary Beth Parisi wrote to All:
Change! Change is scary. When one is scared, what is the first reaction? Run
for safety. If, in the past, safety was found in the bottle, then that's what
you will head for subconcsiously. Simple really.
(I am having exactly the same problem for the same reason, though the
difference in my case is that I don't have any 'time').
I haven't a clue how to solve the problem, but would love to hear any
practical suggestions.....
Pat
system: You are Ken Stuckas, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Recovery message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Tim Dill about "Archivist".

They wrote:
-=>New prespectives must be true.  I heard it from Tim Dill.
TD> On (13 Apr 96) Richard Ward was mumbling to Tim Dill...
RW> Those of the "pack rat" nature, I suppose.  ;-)
TD> I prefer the word "archivest"....

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assistant: Love it.  Stolen for a tagline.
... I'm not a pack rat!  I prefer "archivist."