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LB>Hap!
LB>HN> LB>I have a few specialized cameras - ultra-wide, view
LB>HN> LB>and panoramic, that have no built-in meters, so a hand-held
LB>HN> LB>is very useful - though I have been known to take a reading
LB>HN> LB>with the Nikon's internal meter and transfer it to the Linhof
LB>HN> LB>or WideLuxe.
LB>HN> When was the last time you used the Widelux?
LB>Quite a while ago. Without my own lab currently, getting prints
LB>made is a major hassle. However, it is paid for - several magazine
LB>shots spread across two pages and at least one gatefold cover and
LB>many, many shots in the newspaper where I worked.!
LB>It may be currently inactive, but it is far from permanently on
LB>the shelf. As I may have mentioned in the past, I scored a couple
LB>of gallery shows of photography rather uniquely altered via image
LB>processing and printed via ink-jet. These were very small prints
LB>done on a HP500C printer and therefore very delicate.
LB>The major art dealer in Western Canada contacted me about being
LB>my rep - providing I can do very large format prints with inks
LB>that are archival. This put the project on hold until computers
LB>gained enough power to handle the huge image files efficiently
LB>and large format printers came down in price to the level that
LB>mere mortals could afford them.
LB>Encad now supplies two levels of archival inks for their printers
LB>and actually has 24" x X" printers in the $2,000 range now. Epson,
LB>Canon Lexmark and HP have printers that use six or seven inks to
LB>do near continuous tone quite well. I expect to see this tech trickle
LB>up to large format printers along with archival inks - probably in
LB>the next year. Since these printers can handle roll paper or very
LB>long sheets, I expect that I will do a lot of panoramic prints in
LB>the near future. The WideLuxe neg is 24mm x 59mm - perfect for
LB>a 2' x 5' print!!!
LB>Digital Equipment Corp. (DEC) has announced a next generation CPU
LB>for their Alpha workstations which will be shipping in systems
LB>this summer some time. I am planning to buy a graphics workstation
LB>shortly thereafter for both 3-D and image processing. This hairy
LB>beast will have no problem handing huge files with stunning speed.
LB>I may consider trading in the WideLuxe on one of the new Noblex
LB>cameras that will allow me to use 120 film. I am getting so close
LB>to re-entering printmaking that I can almost taste it!
LB>HN> I'd love to have a
LB>HN> panoramic camera, but the cost yiyiyi! As it is now I have a 17mm shot
LB>HN> that I enlarge to 8X10 and cut to fit<G>! It's the poorman's panoramic
LB>HN> camera!<G>
LB>Of course, the Noblex and WideLuxe are true panoramic cameras
LB>like the old Cirkut (sp?) cameras, with rotating lenses and
LB>curved film planes. Both Linhof and Fuji make 6 x 17 rectilinear
LB>wide angle cameras that do what you do with the 17mm. They just
LB>do the cropping in advance. Linhof also makes a nice 6 x 12
LB>camera.
LB>I have a superb old Brooks VeriWide with a 47mm SuperAngulon
LB>that shoots seven 6 x 10 images on a roll of 120 that does the
LB>task for me. The 47mm is roughly the equivalent to an 18mm lens
LB>on a 35mm camera. Awesome! A 65mm SuperAngulon would give you
LB>similar coverage on your 4x5, as long as you can drop the front
LB>track sufficiently to get it out of the image! IIRC, the 65mm
LB>will just cover 4x5 if it is stopped down, but allows no movements.
LB>The Linhof 6 x 12 uses the 65mm as well.
LB>I have one with my Linhof, but of course it only has to cover
LB>6 x 7. There is a 75mm XL SuperAngulon that would be quite
LB>comfortable on a 4x5 - equivalent to a 20mm on a 35mm camera.
LB>Looking at an enlarged negative from the Brooks through a 25x
LB>grain focusing magnifier, one reaches for the eye protectors
LB>because it is so sharp!
LB>There is considerable fall-off of light in the corners due to
LB>the rules of physics, and one can get a stunningly expensive
LB>filter that has a stop of density in the middle with a gradient
LB>to clear at the edges. You lose a stop of lens speed, but get
LB>even coverage. In fact the fall-off seems to enhance a lot of
LB>landscapes just as if you did a little burning in the corners.
LB>The Brooks has also served me well as a camera for environmental
LB>portraits. Since the lens is about the same focal length as the
LB>normal lens on most SLRs, working AT THE SAME DISTANCE, one gets
LB>the same perspective. However since one has seven times the
LB>negative area, a lot more information is captured in the image.
LB>This information can tell a great deal about the world in which
LB>the subject lives. Since one is working at only three or four
LB>feet from the subject - well within their "personal space" to
LB>talk Californian - the picture has a powerful intimacy. Since
LB>foreshortening is a constant factor in super-wide photography,
LB>it is well to compose so that the subject's face is in the
LB>central area of the frame and the rest of the subject is
LB>pretty much parallel to the film plane. This you can certainly
LB>experiment with using the 17mm. Furthermore, since it is on a
LB>SLR, you can judge the point when foreshortening goes over
LB>the edge.
LB>On the other hand, I once did a portrait of Joe Louis, the boxer,
LB>using a 50mm lens on an RB67. I had him extend his famous fist
LB>toward the lens until it filled the bottom half of the frame.
LB>His head was still close enough to  the centre that there was no
LB>objectionable foreshortening.
LB>I used a similar technique to do a shot on a karate instructor,
LB>who was just in process of opening an new school. He did a
LB>series of choreographed movements - something like a 'kata' IIRC,
LB>(Karen?) - ending in a power blow aimed just short of the bottom
LB>of the lens shade on the Brooks. All the energy gathered during
LB>the moves that lead up to the blow was released into the shot.
LB>The reporter complimented that I only flinched AFTER the exposure!
LB>;-}
LB>larry!
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assistant: Helloooooooo Larry!
Hmmm, that means I have no chance of getting it from you?<G>
Now it's sounding like you are gonna start using it again tomorrow!
Tell him to cough up the sheckles to supply you with what you require
and you'll pay him back out of the first show. I of course expect a free
signed artist's proof for coming up with such a grand scheme, er, um
IDEA yeah, idea! Unless of course you want to donate a camera or two to
my user bag<G>.
or 4'X10'!
I can see now that I have completley talked my self out of getting any
of the cameras now...oh bother!<G>
When I was up shooting flowers this last week, with Jim Cochran, a
fellow showed up with a fuji 617...uses 120 film. Looked nice.  He
wouldn't give it up either <G>.
I still haven't found a 90mm that I can afford yet..but I'm looking!
I don't suppose I could talk you out of the brooks either eh?<G>
I have seen shots both with and without the filter, and you're right the
fall-off does lend a certain something to the shot.
I can see now I have no chance of scamming this one from you either <G>.
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