system: You are Neeti Ray, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Unix message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Yousuf Khan about "Unix's problems".

They wrote:
YK>YK>Exactly. The DOS world has emerged from it's own obsession with
YK>YK>compatibility, the Unix world hasn't yet emerged from its own.
YK>
YK>>    Like what?
YK>
YK>Like every Unix problem we'd been arguing about until recently. Just to
YK>refresh your memory, here's the list of Unix problems: lack of object
YK>orientation; unlikeliness it'll ever be OO; unwillingness to ever
YK>discard its own legacy; severely complicated maintenance requirements;
YK>YK>The only problem is that nobody is listening. People have been telling
YK>.YK>the Unix world that this operating system is way too complicated and
YK>YK>cumbersome to be practical for most purposes, for at least 20 years
YK>
YK>>    Beauty of the Unix system is, you don't let the user administrate
YK>>his _own_ system... he doesn't have one.  Just a month ago, I get a call
YK>>from a friend of mine who's cousin's computer stopped working.  I talk
YK>>to the kid and he says "I wanted to clean up the harddrive, so I
YK>>formatted it... now it won't boot, I can find WordPerfect".  I guess
YK>>"format c:" is real user friendly huh.
YK>
YK>You can do just as stupid things under Unix like doing a recursive
YK>deletion and finding out later that you've removed an entire parent path
YK>which you never intended to remove because you should've used a slightly
YK>different syntax, eg. "rm -fr path/*" vs "rm -fr path/".
YK>Or how about the old root filesystem gets full, and you try and save an
YK>important /etc/ file like passwd or hosts or fstab and it disappears
YK>from existence. Let's see you try an even get into your Unix system
YK>without reinstalling the operating system.
YK>Anyways, you can get into trouble with any operating system, and don't
YK>you for a minute believe that Unix protects you from harm. This echo
YK>wouldn't exist if Unix weren't full of problems.

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assistant: Yousuf on 02/12/96 said to Neeti,
backwards
    No no no no... *You* have been saying most of these things, not me.  I
don't like OO for bloat, but I made it clear that Unix is in fact *better*
suited for OO than most.  In fact, it's laughable that the 1st alternate OS
on
the PowerMac is going to be OSF's Mach Linux, and it's possible because it is
OO.
    A quick rumage thru the OO-Faq lists several hundred OODMS's, languages,
systems and they're all available on Unix machines, many even limited to Unix
machines.
us
ow.
    Yes you can, but unless you're root, the damage is limited.  Also, *just*
root is able to cause the damage, no one else is.  I have no problems w/
letting my 4 year old niece on my Linux box to play Xpatience, but I'm not
about to walk away if I put her on my Windoze box.
    Never used a boot floppy?  I can use the boot tape on my Sun for that
too.
 In fact, on my Sun, I can drop into the boot monitor and select whether I
want
to boot from tape, disk (including which one, which slice), or ethernet.
    Even better, is that on my Linux box, 5% is reserved for root anyways, to
prevent such stupid things from happening.  Or you could just mount /var,
/tmp
and /usr *separately*.
    Full of problems?  Most messages I see here are related to "newbie"
questions like "What's Unix?", exceeding simple things, or request for info,
"Where can I find X for Y?", or recommendations.
    A fool is a fool on *any* OS.  Unix can at least *prevent* that fool
from screwing things up for everyone, I call it damage control.
    Kin Lau (gabe@io.org)