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system: You are Lucia Jameson, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "Re: Adhd meds & the milit".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting Mark Probert to Lucia Jameson <=-
MP> LUCIA JAMESON was thinking about ADHD Meds & the Military and keyed
MP> into  cyberspace:
LJ>This has put my teenager in a bit of a tizzy, as he has his heart set
LJ>on enlisted in the Army and taking advantage of the educational
LJ>benefits after his term of service is over.  Short of lying, I don't
LJ>see any way around this. (we do not advocate lying on official
LJ>documents btw :-* )
LJ>I remember that there was a thread going on this a while
LJ>back...wanted to get the "straight poop" out.
MP> Your "poop" is just that, POOP. Do not step in it.
MP> Lots of bogus information is floated around about ADHD. As I spent a
MP> few years in olive drab, and, as I was certain that there were several
MP> people who had some form of emotional, etc. condition, I decided to
MP> check out what the real scoop is.
MP> Also, a colleague of my wife has a son who is bi-polar, went off meds
MP> one month and was in Marine boot camp the next.
MP> After some checking, I found "Attention Deficit Disorder and the Law:
MP> A Guide for Advocates," by Peter S. Latham, JD and Patricia H. Latham,
MP> JD; Chapter 10 - The Selective Service Act, pp 88-93. You can get a
MP> copy of  this from the ADD WareHouse Catalog at 1-800-223-9273, or from
MP> Hawthorne Educational Services at 1-800-542-1673.
MP> Latham and Latham.  They have *pages* on this issue.
MP> Bottom line seems to be that the ADD would have to *seriously*
MP> interfere  with the performance of *entry* level military duties AND
MP> could not be  adequately corrected by medication.
MP> As for the two articles referenced, both were followed up by letters
MP> to  the editor contradicting them. This fairy tale has floated around
MP> the  internet for a few years.
MP> Also, I personally know of one young man who was inducted into the
MP> Marines with a full disclosure of his medical history.
MP> One of the people who reads this conference is in the military.
MP> Perhaps  he would care to check with personnel for an official version.
MP> ===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: Mark,
I posted a reply to this (your)message but apparently it got lost in
cyberspace when I moved it from my download directory to the local node on my
bbs. :-*
I got a message in this forum from Jerry Schwartz indicating that he got
different info from his local recruiter than we got from ours.
<snipped for brevity>
<another snip>
Well, the Dayton Daily Fishwrap...I mean News didn't have a followup, so I
was unaware of contraditing info.
I have told my son to tell them whatever they need to know about his medical
history.  I would rather fight the results than have him give false
information on an official military document.
... I'll take 'Famous Taglines' for 1000, Alex. --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
system: You are Lucia Jameson, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "Re: Adhd meds & the milit".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting Mark Probert to Lucia Jameson <=-
MP>
MP> LUCIA JAMESON was thinking about ADHD Meds & the Military and keyed
MP> into  cyberspace:
LJ>I just thought I would post some info we received from the local Army
LJ>recruiter regarding the use of ritalin, dexidrine, etc by an
LJ>individual and its relationship to acceptance for enlistment in any
LJ>of the military services.
MP> Oh, I forgot to ask, what is your interest in ADHD?
MP> ===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: Same as most of the other moms in this echo...got a wild child! :-) And he's
old enough to drive now! IEEEEEEEEEEE! <BG>
Seriously, my son is a pretty good kid.  He has grown out of some of the ADHD
symptoms, and some of them he has learned how to manage.  He realizes that he
isn't an office worker type (paperwork bores him to tears) but there are a
lot of other jobs he can do where his ADHD won't be a hinderance and may be a
help.
On the military angle, Jesse took his ASVAB test (general military aptitude
test) yesterday.  When we find out if the Army will let him enlist or not I
will be sure to post here.  Nothing like first hand information, eh?
Cheers,
Lucy
... Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat? (y/n) --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
system: You are John Prather, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Georgette Becker about "Re: ISSUES".

They wrote:
JP>Hey Georgette.  Could you send my some netmail on this.  How does
>the RAVEN IQ test compare with the the standard scale of 200 max.  I
GB>
GB> Hi John -- Will do!  I'll have to dig up my info on IQ tests. My
GB> Christopher is sick and I'm just getting over a 5-day plague, but I'll
GB> get you some info as quickly as possible.  Do you have an e-mail
GB> address?  Mine's cybergal@isat.com.
GB>

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assistant: Georgette Becker wrote it for John Prather to answer..
  How about this one....
Sure do.  It's rodp@iquest.net
Be looking forward to hearing from you.
system: You are John Prather, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ketira about "Re: ISSUES".

They wrote:
JP> Hey Georgette.  Could you send my some netmail on this.  How does
JP> the RAVEN IQ test compare with the the standard scale of 200 max.  I
JP> have a kid with about a 140 on a standard scale and his teachers
JP> have a bit of trouble getting him out of his shell in many
JP> circumstances.  The ones that succeed find him inquisitive and
JP> witty.  The one's that don't face a MEAN WIDDOW KID.
Ke> I know *exactly* what you mean..... it sounds like *me* when I was
Ke> growing up!  I wasn't mean, however; I was (and still am) sensitive.
Ke> If the teachers --and you-- keep at it, he'll come out of his shell
Ke> eventually.  I know I did.... and I was tested on the Standard at
Ke> the same spot he's at.  Don't be surprised if, when he gets older,
Ke> this goes down a bit; I was recently tested at 125.  :>
Ke> Have you tried telling him that being mean is *not* a good thing to
Ke> do? Just curious....

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assistant: Ketira wrote it for John Prather to answer..
  How about this one....
Ross is a tough little cookie unless he is in class an on ritilin.
He is typically very talkative except the meds seem to quell him a
bit.  And he can be mean.  Ross is not exactly the sensitive type.
That is me and my oldest.  He is quick, witty and agressive except
in school.
Of course.  Like most ADHD kids, his gut reactions tend to rule.
Act first, think later.
system: You are John Taylor, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "Re: AD(H)D".

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assistant: Hi Regina,
       Hope you don't mind me butting in but, I saw your post on the
PSAP. Do you have the address for the organization that sponsored it ?
I'd like to know if they are doing the same type training in my area.
       Thanks for any help you may provide.
                                           John T.
system: You are Jacky Grandy, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "ad(h)d".

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assistant: hi all parents,friends, and those with add or adhd. My name is jacky
grandy and i have been indenified for over 10 years as adhd. I am 16
years old and have a grade point avarage of 3.1. I am also classified as
being a gifted student for the past 10 years. growing up with this
disordered and living with it i have learned a lot and i feel as a
person who lives with it and still goes to school everyday and has
problems i can maybe help someone out there. I have research the
subject of adhd and add for years and my first hand experience and how
i keep myself together and methods i used maybe can help you or
someone... so i just want to say hey i am here
system: You are Moonshadow, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "Re: ADHD".

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assistant: Thank you Regina for your help and advice on how to handle Lindsey. It
s
greatly apprecited and I will let you know the progress we make. She is
eeing
a Psyciatrist, but he is just for the medicine. She also sees a therepist,
that has seen her for the last 3 years, he accepts what the insurance pays
nd
we don't have to pay the rest so I continue to take her to him but haven't
seen any behavior modification that he has tried... actually I haven't seen
him help her much other than telling her what may happen if she doesn't
improve such as inhouse, or residential treatment.  It scares me to death
to think I may have to resort to that..
    She just got her report card..in the forth grade they still give "N's"
or
needs improvement and "U's" for unsatisfactory that is all she got on
everything except behavior and she got A's in that from three teachers. She
just can't or won't learn. I will try to use the contract and see how that
goes...Thank you again!!! I will be happy to hear from you anytime!!
                                       ***Sheree***
system: You are Stephen Kirkpatrick, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jacky Grandy about "ad(h)d".

They wrote:
JG>hi all parents,friends, and those with add or adhd. My name is jacky
JG>grandy and i have been indenified for over 10 years as adhd. I am 16
JG>years old and have a grade point avarage of 3.1. I am also classified a
JG>being a gifted student for the past 10 years. growing up with this
JG>disordered and living with it i have learned a lot and i feel as a
JG>person who lives with it and still goes to school everyday and has
JG>problems i can maybe help someone out there. I have research the
JG>subject of adhd and add for years and my first hand experience and how
JG>i keep myself together and methods i used maybe can help you or
JG>someone... so i just want to say hey i am here

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assistant: On 03-04-97 16:20, Jacky Grandy said to All about ad(h)d:
Hello Jacky:
Thanks for writing. It's really nice hearing from you. It sounds like there
are
probably a few things I can learn from you regarding ADHD and children.
If you'd like to share some of your strategies in dealing with ADHD, feel
free
to write to me here, email me at srknawlins@juno.com, or send me a letter to:
P.O.
Box 58312, New Orleans, La. 70158-8312.
Take care,
Stephen
___
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system: You are Gwenna Bowers, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Moonshadow about "ADHD".

They wrote:
->she doesn't
->improve such as inhouse, or residential treatment.  It scares
->me to death
->to think I may have to resort to that..
->    She just got her report card..in the forth grade they
->still give "N's" for
->needs improvement and "U's" for unsatisfactory that is all she
->got on
->everything except behavior and she got A's in that from three
->teachers. She
->just can't or won't learn. I will try to use the contract and

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assistant: That is almost a certiny (sp) for my daughter (ADD).
Down here forth grade is the first year that they get grade letters.  Deannas
last report card was the worst ever. 4 f's and one d.
Same here stuff just does not sink in with her.  Her brother however who is
ADHD is a sponge in school he just asorbs everything and anything.  He was a
almost straite A student with a b here and there and this year I was able to
get him into all advance classes so he grads went down a little as the
classes are harder.
We just started Deanna on a new med Dexedrine 15mg spansules once in the AM.
she goes back to see the Dr monday to see how she is doing.  He also gave
here a list of must does or else.  the or else is something we had been
threating for a while now but he will do it.  the or else was reform school.
I will hate for that as she is not bad (she has not robbed anyone she has
taken money out of my purse but I have not told the doctor or her dad that)
or broken any laws she is just stubbern headed.  But she will not listen and
she may straine up if sent there.
Also she has problems with minding at home so the reform shool is not that
drastic.
system: You are Desiree Louvre, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "Behavior".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting Regina Finan to All <=-
RF> Well I finally found something that works perfect for my child,
RF> Jeremy. Jeremy loves the computer, but in particuliar he loves Sim City
RF> 2000. This is a game in which you have to build a city with a mayors
RF> house, parks, train stations, houses, the whole bit.  And you must make
RF> it interesting enough to have people move into your houses.  He can
RF> Another thing I liked about it is that his brother and sister sit with
RF> him sometimes and they kinda play together with it.  Giving suggestions
RF> and stuff. This seems to be helping them get along better too.
RF> Anyway if any of you guys have a child that really likes computers and
RF> games I suggest you try it.  Couldn't hurt.  Except than both of you
RF> may be in competition for the computer.

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assistant: ___-----------<SNIP>--------------
I have used the Sega Genesis for this in the past, but his father lets him
play just about whenever to keep our son distracted. It has gotten to the
point that he obsesses about the Sega in his dreams, at school, playing in
the back yard. I regret that we have the darned thing! I have seen Sim City
but never bothered to pick up the box... I think I will now. <G> Since my
son lost his lego about 2 months ago for refusing to clean it up and for
spitting the blocks out of his mouth at his sister. At least this way my
room stays neat and tidy! <VBG> The learning games we have are not advanced
enough for our son (Math Rescue/Word Rescue) so maybe this will be the
neccessary distraction we ALL need. On top of all of that it looks like
we will be changing his meds... Cory's behaviour has been steadily deter-
iorating since before Christmas. <SIGH> Here we go again. I dread the weaning
off period. :( Cory is on Clonidine for ODD as well as Nortriptyline
for the ADHD. Lord knows what will be next since we have tried Ritalin (3
times), Pemoline, Imipramine, and Thioridazine.  The problem Cory has had
with alot of meds is that he is hypersensitive to begin with, alot of the
meds exagerate this condition... which is why the Nortriptyline was chosen.
It doesn't play havoc with these sensitivities. Do you know of any children
who are taking prozac? What were the results? It is an option because I am
on it and it has worked wonderfully for me for 3 years now.
I'm gonna try the Uno and some other memory/concentration games too! Thanks
for the tips. :)
Take care,
Desiree
system: You are Desiree Louvre, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "Punishment".

They wrote:
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MP> I recently wrote Russell Barkley about something that has disturbed
MP> me  for some time. Regina's post (which I quoted from in my letter to
MP> him),  along with what happened to Josh, provoked this. Why do our kids
MP> seem to  be punished more often and harsher? Are they really that
MP> "bad"?
MP> So I wrote to Barkley. If you all are interested, I could post the
MP> letter here. If you have any comments, I will gladly forward them
MP> along.  He has done some studies in this general area and I have a
MP> hunch he has  some important things to say.

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assistant: Please, SEND AWAY... or E-mail me at rscott@axionet.com
Thankyou... I think this would make a VERY interesting read for the aides
and teaching staff that deal with my son and the 8 other ADHD/ADD kids in
his class. They are already pouring over the e-mail from Bob (NIMH report).
Thankyou again,
Take care,
Desiree
... It's great to be smart, because then you know stuff.
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]
system: You are John Pummill, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Stephen Kirkpatrick about "Expiration Warning".

They wrote:
SK> where the heck did you come up with this idea? If you would
SK> do something
SK> as simple as read down a few lines from here you'll see that
SK> I told
SK> Bob, amongst other things, "Heaven only knows I've been
SK> wrong before
SK> though.......and close to dead wrong at that."
SK> guess we better tell that to the numerous doctors she's seen
SK> over the years....and there are many things she's gone
SK> through
SK> connected with ADD that were not included in my letter to
SK> the conference.
SK> It would seem, with all due respect, that your layman's
SK> diagnosis is
SK> based in part on guesswork and/or assumptions. If you have
SK> fairly so. Like I told two of our readers here via email,
SK> the ADD part of
SK> her is what she did share with me prior to the wedding. Only
SK> *after* the
SK> wedding did I learn about other parts of her
SK> personality....parts that she
SK> had done a *very* good job in hiding from me.
SK> I'll give you just a
SK> small idea of what the child (my stepson) has done. To say
SK> he is, has been, can
SK> be, and will be violent is an understatement. He's in an
SK> institution and probably
SK> will be there until he is of legal age.
SK> view whatever it may be. Where have you come to the
SK> conclusion that I find
SK> "everyone else inferior in their opinions and education??"
SK> I'm getting pretty
SK> interested in your sources here John.

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assistant: Just the tone to the messages. We are a small group here who have some
children that require a great deal of attention. By the time we have dealt
with our kids, the schools, neighbors, etc. the last thing any of us want is
another fight HERE. We try and support each other, give ideas, listen.
 I lived with a similar creature. The things you defined are more related to
mania than ADD.
 Based on what you gave out. A theory can only come from the input data.
 As I said, I lived with a similar one. I know how well things like homicidal
tendencies (tried to stab first husband, tried to shoot second, tried to do
both to me) and agressive behavior just show up.
 Fortunately David is not that mischevious or violent. He did get the mania
from his mother and living the first five years of his life in a violent
atmosphere did not help.
 Your messages came across extremely strong and give the impression of one
that does not work and play well with others. Remember it is EASY to get off
on the wrong electronic foot.
system: You are Steve Kruzich, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "Re: ADHD".

They wrote:
>Unless her IEP showed she has a very severe learning problem I am sure
>  she can learn.  It is a matter of motivation and in part that is the
>  teacher's and your job to help her with it.  You can use a reward system,
>  but that will work for a short time.  Everytime she completes an
>  on time or writes a paper with good handwriting or brings a paper home
>  a C on it you can praise her for it.  Let her know that her behavior
> reflects
>  the type of person she is or will become.  Also let her know that what
>  expect from her is her best.  Not always A's, B's or C's but her best.
>  fact usually anything they do for school you may be able to find
>  about it to compliment her on.  Also, try a smile when she walks in the
>  room or in the door.  I know that can be very hard at times, but if you
>  picture some kind of improvement on your daughter, think about how happy
>  that would make you feel.  I would make my son finish papers even if the
>  teacher would not accept them anymore and I also made him turn them in.
>  I wanted him to understand he was going to do the work regardless and he
>  could either get a grade or do the work and get nothing.
>  Right now, I am working with a woman who's son does his darnest to get
>  on her.  Her biggest problem is that after sticking to a discipline for
>  so long she ends up giving in to him, because he can manipulate her into
> it.
>  A call from her could take hours because of her frustrations.  I have
>  there with no one to talk to.  This echo many times has been like a
> salvation
>  knowing people understand because they are going through it too.  OBTW,
> this
>  child knows he can't pull the wool over my eyes and backs off once I open
> my
>  mouth.  He also gets afraid sometimes when I talk to his mother, because
> she
>  is getting stronger, not much, but it will come.  I had her talk to
>  women in a support group and she is going to take her son to therapy.  It
> is
>  a two month wait, but it is the only thing left for her to try.  I can't
>  with her 24 hours a day to help her.  And this child does need behavioral
>  modification.  Plus there was another problem in his earlier years which
>  could very well be the cause of his anger.
>  Good luck and let us know how things go. Oh also remember sometimes you
>  take a step forward and go back two for a while.  Just keep pluggin in.

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assistant: Has anyone there considered that the child might be bored?  I found that my
two sons that have ADHD were absorbing the information and getting bored when
the teacher didn't move on.
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system: You are Bob Moylan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "Punishment".

They wrote:
MP> So I wrote to Barkley. If you all are interested, I could post the
MP> letter here. If you have any comments, I will gladly forward them
MP> along. He has done some studies in this general area and I have a
MP> hunch he has some important things to say.

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assistant: Mark Probert (On 05 Mar 97) was overheard expounding to All
 yes..your letter and any response either here or directly to me at
 bob2473@msn.com
Bob
... Smile they said, it could be worse.  So I did and it was.