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user: You are replying to Curtis Johnson about "Chinese Hegemony      1/2".

They wrote:
CJ>        The WWI scenario.
CJ>        Remember when Vietnam invaded Cambodia and chased out Pol
CJ> Pot?  PP's Cambodia had actually been raiding Vietnam.  The US
CJ> then allied itself with Pol Pot against the Vietnam-imposed
CJ> Cambodian government.  China was then backing Prince Sihanouk. . .
CJ> Nobody was willing to go to war over Cambodia's human rights
CJ> then.  Of course, one reason was that China had tried to invade
CJ> Vietnam, but got its military assets kicked.
CJ> CT> Actually, I've been reading techno/political/thrillers lately to see
CJ> CT> what sort of scenerio's they come up with, in an effort to keep the
CJ> CT> genre afloat.
CJ>        Actually, none of the above sound particularly credible to me,
CJ> the most likely being the North Korean example.
CJ>        Now, a Russian-Chinese war, particularly with Siberian
CJ> territory becoming more agriculturally valuable because of global
CJ> warming. . .
CJ>        What is more worrisome with China, over the next decade
CJ> or so, will be the shortage of Chinese women.  This will heighten
CJ> greatly the chances of civil unrest--which is why they're trying
CJ> everything for short-term economic gain.  They do have culturally
CJ> traditional means of dealing with shortages of women.
CJ>        I may be too cynical in thinking that there may have been
CJ> a hope on the part of the authorities that avian flu might spread
CJ> within China. . .
CJ>        Interesting scenarios, though, could be played out with
CJ> the Spratley Islands, claimed by about five different countries,
CJ> including PRC.  And let's not forget Taiwan.
CJ> CT> Hmmm, if everyone was dying anyway, what kind of force could you
CJ> CT> project?
CJ>        If you take a look at history, plagues and famines have
CJ> never stopped wars. . . in fact, wars have been the cause of a lot
CJ> of them, but the wars went on anyway.  Troops have a way of making
CJ> sure they're fed, hang everybody else.
CJ> CT> Naw, that's FUN. <G>  It's called "writing" and involves reaching
CJ> CT> back, sticking your arm in up to the elbow, and pulling out a plot!
<G>
CJ>        We're one-man think tanks.  Or is that thinking tanks?
CJ> MN>sailing through the solar system.  I very shamelessly rip off a point
CJ> MN>Heinlein made in his speech as guest of honor at a WorldCon for the
CJ> MN>second time.  "The cowards never started and the weaklings died along
CJ> MN>the way."
CJ> CT> And people wonder why I like Heinlein so much.  Sigh.  That one
CJ> CT> be above the doors of our nation's schools.
CJ>        Maybe along with "And those who respected the property rights
CJ> of their fellow humans never thought of moving on their territories."
CJ> MN><sigh>  Bunch of damned, swine's drool for brains, idjits should read
CJ> MN>more science fiction.  There are more ideas in the works of Asimov and
CJ> MN>Clarke than the scientific community would be able to keep up with,
CJ> MN>which, if they had been used, would mean lunar settlements already.
CJ>        Asimov?  He was short on original ideas of initially
CJ> exploiting immediate space.  Even his vaunted robot series gave
CJ> nothing more than a "positronic brain."  I've had PET scans done
CJ> on me--look, ma, I've got a positronic brain, BWAHAHA!
CJ>        Clarke--you're on much more solid ground.  But even there
CJ> I would suggest that one should look more to his nonfiction to his
CJ> fiction.  He was, of course, the originator of the concept of
CJ> geosynchronous communication satellites.  His _Exploration of Space_
CJ> is still a classic primer for wannabe rocket scientists--and sf
CJ> writers.
CJ>        But really, there is a question as to whether lunar
CJ> settlements or near-earth orbitals is the best way to go.  For
CJ> that one would want to read, for instance, GK O'Neill's books.
CJ>        BTW, Clarke just got knighted.  It took a Labour government
CJ> to recognize his contributions.
CJ> CT> I was one of the few who were totally disgusted by the Space Bus, er,
CJ> CT> I mean Space Shuttle program.  We put all our marbles into a
CJ> CT> low-earth-orbit system and forgot the exploration part.  Frankly, I
CJ> CT> think the main reason was that the shuttle could be used to put
CJ> CT> military-related technology into space, and that's where the REAL
CJ> CT> money was for the government-suckers out there.  "Future?  What the
CJ> CT> hell you talking about future?  We got a quarterly report due in two
CJ> CT> weeks!" Fooey.
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assistant: Well, someone once said that humans prepare to fight the last war.
Er, China didn't get anything kicked.  They ocassionally make a 100
mile-deep swath through the north end of Vietnam to remind them not to
get too uppity about that piece of ground.
[...]
Actually, nearly all of them are possible, although not tremendously
likely.
Countries rarely go to war for territory per se any more.  More likely,
the war would happen because of the oil under the tundra.
I've been wondering how they're going to handle that one.  Do you know
what the traditional means are?
I read somewhere recently that to achieve a sustainable population,
China would have to lose anywhere from 400 to 500 million people.  When
you consider that the population of the U.S. is running at about 250
million, that gets scary pretty fast.
Oh, you mean the 19th province? <G>  They're just acting up.  Nothing
serious.  In fact, there is a chair in the Chinese govt. that's
currently occupied by a representative from the province formerly known
as Formosa....;-)
So it would seem.
Or could it be that you dropped the "s"? <G>
hould
Those who respected property rights invariably applied them to property
owned by members of the same group, and almost never applied them to
their neighbors.
ut
You've got an anti-matter brain?
Has anyone ever sat down and figured out exactly how many of the wonders
of modern life were first written down as SF?  I would count cable t.v.,
microwave ovens, most of what we know of as computers, celular phones,
etc.  The list has to go on for a while....
It seems moot right now.  About all we're doing is shipping duct tape
to the Mir.
Let's have a rousing round of, "'Bout Time!" here....
 * SLMR 2.1a * "Bother" said Pooh. "It's your husband, and he has a gun"