system: You are Alan Fletcher, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Altern. Medicine message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Alcohol As An Alternative".

They wrote:
> AF> So I gathered. ;-) I was just wanting to point out that mandatory
> AF> health insurance also has its disadvantages. I for one have paid
> AF> a small fortune into it over my working life to date (I have paid
> AF> the highest contributions possible..based on earnings.. for the past
> AF> 15 years). If I had invested that money with even only 5% interest
> AF> (the same goes for mandatory pension insurance) I would have been
> AF> almost a millionaire by the age of 60!!
> The problem with humans appears to be that by the time they realize the
> need to save and invest money, they are too old to enjoy spending it.
> Instead, it goes for medicines and doctor bills :).
> Therefore, unless there is some sort of group effort made while they are
> young, they will not save or invest.  Saving money just doesn't seem to
> work for most of us around here as the temptation is there to spend what
> is in the bank.  However, if there is some fund that both the worker and
> the company pay into, that will accumulate as the worker usually has no
> idea of what his part of that fund is worth.
> We have social security, which, incidently, is supposed to be changing
> into something more like a mutual fund,
> I got Medicare at 65, don't believe in paying the grossly expensive fees
> for any medical insurance supplement.
> It would cost me more to obtaint
> that than I spend on doctor's bills in a year.  The fees for the
> accident I had on Christmas (went bathing inside my pickup in a local
> creek when I hit a stretch of black ice and got a nasty cut on the top
> of my head) were paid by the auto insurance company.
> It is important that older people own outright their own homes and not
> be making huge mortgage payments.  The cost of the medical care starts
> to creep in the late 50's and 60's.
> Lest anyone think that alternative medicine is cheap, let me assure you
> that those herbal remedies and vitamin supplements also have a price tag
> on them.  And they can cost quite a bit when added all up.

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assistant: Hi Jane,
 Many people here start paying small monthly payments into low-interest
 mortgage schemes at an early age (also for their kids) and can thus
 get a substantial low-interest and fixed interest loan to buy a new
 house or buy and renovate an old house. The cost of land and building
 (no wooden houses here and all houses have underground cellars) is
 fairly expensive (but a good investment).
 We have such a fund where the employer provides a set amount (about
 50 dollars) per month, the employee provides the other 50 dollars
 and the government adds a bonus to this at the end of the five-year
 saving period. The 5,000 or so dollars always come in handy.
 So do we...and the pension is based (to date) on the last salary
 before tax minus about 20%. The drop in the birthrate since the pill
 was introduced is now endangering this scheme and it is said that
 it will probably end up as uniform pensions for all by the year
 2030 (so many will have paid a small fortune based on a percentage
 of their salary for nothing). If this had been saved in a bank or
 invested in government bonds etc. many would be millionaires by the
 time they were about 60.
 You would be a high-risk client at that age.
 Fully comprehensive care insurance is so expensive over here that most
 just take it out when they buy a new car and then drop it after about
 two years (the insurance then only covers any damage you do to others).
 This is why these low-interest mortgage schemes are so popular here.
 Also any children can inherit a house which is only, say, half paid
 for as the value has usually increased so much by the time they
 get to inherit it from the parents that selling the house and paying
 off the rest of the debt still leaves a pretty profit.
 Alternative medicine costs nothing if you gather it in-situ. I do not
 consider processed herbs..and certainly not vitamin etc. supplements..
 to be alternative medicine (they are allopathic medicine).
 Alan