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system: You are Jim Gashel, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Nfb Blind News message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

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>
>
> there is something to be said about our resources being used to
> get A.C.B. messages out, but any such resources would be
> negligible.  In fact, they would probably be no more and possibly
> less than my having to plow through spam e-mail which counts
> against my time which I have paid for.  But I submit that those
> resources are a lot less than we have spent on this Mr. Magoo
> foolishness which is making us look incredibly stupid
>
> As a matter of fact, along that line, I heard from a friend of
> mine who attended a state leadership seminar in which Marc Maurer
> participated.  He brought with him a letter criticizing the Magoo
> matter as well as his response and according to the report I
> heard, his written response to the person was something to the
> effect that he had to defend the convention's decision whether or
> not he personally agreed with it since the convention passed the
> resolution.  I think everyone on this list knows that if this is
> true, his response is a cop-out.  The national leadership sets
> the direction in which the organization goes and in fact
> instituted this resolution.  If they didn't like it they could
> have killed it by speaking against it.  I think maybe our
> leadership has seen that the general public is not with us on
> this one and they would like to back out of it but can't find a
> way to do it other than the obvious one, admitting they made a
> mistake.
>
> Regarding the Levi Straus ad which represents at best a
> misrepresentation and at worst a clear danger to dog guide users,
> this is something both organizations could work on together in much
> the same way we have formed a committee with R.S.V.A. and Sagebrush
> to help preserve the Randolph-shepherd program.
>
> Harvey
>
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assistant: From: Jim Gashel <jgashel@blazie.com>
Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)
hello harvey:
concerning the question of resources, no matter how few, the nfb has not
voted to approve the use of those resources for the redistribution of acb
washington connection messages.
as for the use of resources for dealing with the magoo business, the
national convention did vote for the uses of resources to deal with that
issue.
the fact is that andy's redistribution of the acb messages is a calculated
political act by him.  anyone who wants to read acb messages can subscribe
to their lists or even join that organization if they want to.  the
problem that I have with their redistribution here is that the messages
were passed off as representing a strategy that all of us should by in to
because we are blind.  however, in this case, as in many others, the acb's
strategic choices are not the same as ours.  Apparently andy disagrees
with our approach and would like it to be more like the acb's.
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 hheagy@delphi.com wrote:
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assistant: From: hheagy@delphi.com
Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)
My point is that in this era of the internet with so many
people posting on it through so many gateways we really can't
stop it realistically speaking.  Even if one person were removed
from all our server lists for doing it there might be more to
continue the practice.  It's the same with our presidential
releases.  I knew of an instance several years ago wherein a
person was playing them for members of the A.C.B.  They may have
been duplicating them and giving them to these people I don't
remember for sure, but when another person and I reported this to
Mr. Maurer he said that while he didn't like it, there was no
real way to stop it with so many copies of it going out to so
many people that they really weren't private communications in
the practical sense.
Harvey
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assistant: From: hheagy@delphi.com
Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)
I agree that the convention did vote, at the national's
direction, to use resources on the Magoo matter, and that it did
not vote to use our resources for the redistribution of A.C.B.
materials, However, the convention also did not vote on building
bedrooms in the
center along with all the accompanying support they required at an
expense
of about 1.5 million dollars, but we have them.
It also didn't vote on keeping the materials center open only
during the hours of 12-30 P.M. till 5 P.M . Eastern time, but it is
being done that way.
The clear sense of the convention in 1990, the way I and many
others saw it, was not to return to the Hyatt-regency D.F.W. in
1993 but we did and are doing so again next year.
In fact, I have heard many objections to both the latter items I
mentioned, but they are our policy nevertheless.
Again, I am well aware that we elect officers and a board of
directors and hire an Executive Director to do certain jobs
between conventions and it is not practical for the membership to
vote on every issue any more than it is for the public at large
to vote on every political issue and I don't think any member of
this organization expects this, but we shouldn't tote this
banner that the convention did or didn't vote on a given issue
only when it suits the national leadership's convenience.
I've always been curous to know what would happen if we could
have electronic voting at our conventons wherein everyone would
have an individual private vote how much of the national agenda
would pass?  I think in that situation, it would be doing well to
get half its agenda.
Harvey
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assistant: Hi Julie,
I got your resume and printed it out the best I could on this system.  If you
send it a a message at my internet address, I will be able to print it
exactly as it is so it will look good when I give it to the deputy director
of rehab here in Arizona and a friend of mine who manages a rehab office in
the Tucson area.  Don't iknow if it will help or not, but I will give it my
best shot.
Hope all is going well with you and yours.  All is ok here and we are
thankful that the tropical storm Linda completely missed Tucson.  I worked a
radio for both Salvation Army and the Red Cross during the flood in 1981 and
just missed the real mes in 1993, and I will be quite happy if I never go
through that again.  I feal bad about the people living in the western part
of the state who got hit by the storm, and I keep them in my prayers.
Must run for now but ho-e to hear from you and get a good copy of your
esume.
                                       Lee
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assistant: From: Jonathan Mosen` <jmosen@globe.co.nz>
Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)
I've read "Walking Alone and Marching Together", and most of the material
I've been able to get my hands on from the NFB.  As an overseas observer of
the Federation, I'd be most interested to know what became of Mr Sanders,
and to what Harvy is referring when he talks about "what Mr Sanders did
afterwards".  If this is too sensitive a question, feel free to ignore it.
Jonathan Mosen
work: +64-4-389-0902
fax: +64-21-789-797
Mobile: +64-21-643-797
http://www.rnzfb.org.nz/jmosen
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user: You are replying to Pete Donahue about "Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)".

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PD> even World Wide WEb pages are brought down and stored on your hard
PD> drive.  and for some people disk space is at a premium.  Hence we
PD> don't need un necessary messages clutttering up the hard drive.
PD> BEyond that I can't add any more than what has all ready been
PD> said.

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assistant: Hi Pete, how are you
26-Sep-97 14:38:10, Pete Donahue wrote to All
          Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)
     Well as a sysop running a bbs I get a little anoyed concerning the
     duplicate messages.  They are well meaning but just a little anoying
     when you have to read basicaly the same message 5 or 6 times.
Yours sincerely
Walt Cone
Fidonet         : 1:138/317.1
Internet        : cones@aa.net
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assistant: The first public reference to Mr. Magoo I remember hearing was in the 1975
banquet address delivered in Chicago at the Palmerhouse Hotel by Dr. Jernigan
called, "Blindness is the public against us."  It is available on our web
sight http://www.nfb.org at link 22.  That was my first national convention
and I remember being there listening to that speech and wondering why we are
making such an issue of a cartune character.  The current version will
probably be no different.
And speaking of banquet speeches, I noticed that our sight has every banquet
address from the most recent one through 1975's speech with one exception,
the 1978 address given by Ralph Sanders in Baltimore who was president for
one year between 1977 and 78.  Regardless of what he may have done later on
he was still president for that time and deserves the credit and recognition
for that.  We don't throw out the Nixon presidency just because he resigned
in disgrace.  He was still president of the United States for those 5 and 1/2
years whether we liked or voted for him or not.  We don't negate O. J.
Simson's or Pete Rose's accomplishments on the athletic field just because of
what they did after the fact.  And in our own movement, we also don't disgard
our own John Taylor, Perry Sunquist or Russell Klutzing presidencies just
because they were contriversial.  Ralph Sanders should be treated no
differently.  we have never had better Public Relations than we did when he
was affiliated with our organization and as I said, no matter what he may
have done afterwards, he still deserves his due.
btw, I did not find that article about Social Security, Emphasis on vendors.
Harvey
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assistant: From: Pete Donahue <pdonahue@texas.net>
Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)
Hello Harvey and listers,
It seems like all you want to do is critisize, and undermine what the
Federation is trying to do.  I for one resent reading ACB posts here in
light of what they are doing to us in Missouri, and what they have done to
us in the past.  It seems like if you don't like the way the Federation
conducts it's business perhaps you would do well to get out and join a
group that is more to your liking .  WE don't need any more of this kind
of junk here.
Peter donahhue
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assistant: From: "George Cassell" <g.cassell@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: ACB Postings
If I may, I'd like to chime in on the topic of ACB info being posted to
this and/or any list pertaining to the blind and visually impaired.
The reason why I subscribe to this list is to LEARN.  I learn from everyone
who posts anything to this list, whether it pertains to NFB or not.
Knowledge is not selective.  Closed-mindedness is.  The source of the
material is not important or relevant.  The CONTENT is.
ACB, whether you agree with what it has to say or not, does it's best to do
what it can to benefit the blind community, just as the NFB does.  I don't
agree with either organization 100% of the time, nor would any intelligent,
independent-thinking human being.  But I can't make intelligent decisions
unless I am first provided with the information.
This list is available to all of us to post, within established guidelines,
information that may be of interest and benefit to us all.  I don't recall
seeing anything in the guidelines that specifically and selectively
prohibited information provided by the ACB from being posted here.
I should think that we would all be grateful to anyone who provided us with
such worthwhile information.  For those of us who wish to read it, such a
service is an invaluable resource from which we can all draw.  To those who
are so unreasonable and intolerant as to object to it's very presence, I
would simply remind them that they have the power, judgment, capacity and
capability to simply press the "delete key", and their problem is solved.
As for me, I prefer not to stick my head in the sand.  When one does that,
you know what part of their anatomy is exposed!  :)
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assistant: From: hheagy@delphi.com
Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)
I'm not necessarily saying that other disability groups do not
deserve better benefits, but that they have to make their own
cases for them.  It is not our place as an organization to argue
the cases of other disability groups.  We have enough problems
and few resources enough to deal with our own needs.
The very fact that we have better benefits is because we worked
for them.  And while a lot of people are objecting to the cost of
such programs, remember that if the earnings test were
eliminated, it would encourage more people to go into the work
force and thereby pay more into the S.S.A. system.
I could never have taken a job as an all night D.J. had I not been
getting my S.S.D.I. benefits.  My taxi bill, which is the only
form of transportation available for that time of night at the
particular location I worked at, came to over $500.00 a month.  I
could never have paid that on a salary of $7.00 an hour.
And you want rehab or the employer to pay those costs?  I don't
think so.  Employers have voiced the cost objection numerous
times and we have for the most part been able to beat it back.
Rehab is an inefficient bureaucracy as it is.  You want them to
take on more when it has failed so miserably as it is?  We would
never get meaningful work if either were the case.
Harvey
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assistant: From: hheagy@delphi.com
Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)
I don't know how the practice of rent free, utilities free space
began, but maybe it is time for that to be looked at.  After all,
how can we develop the Randolph-shepherd program to its fullest
if buildings managers can bring in Pizza Hut, McDonald's, Etc.
for rent while we have to have rent free space?  I am referring
here to private buildings not federal ones.
And the reason why we do not want the program opened to other
disabled groups, I believe, is for 2 reasons:  1.  that the
A.D.A. has defined so many people as disabled that we would be
hopelessly outnumbered, and 2.  That those groups would quickly
squeeze out blind people from the program within a year or so.
That's been the case with most job programs for the disabled.
When section 503 of the Rehab Act of 1973 as amended was in
force, the companies with federal contracts hired just about
every disabled group except the blind.  Now with even more people
defined by law as disabled, the problem would probably be much
worse.
Harvey
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assistant: From: Harvey Heagy <hheagy@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: ACB Washington Connection (fwd)
Actually, the original intent of the law was to allow blind
persons a business opportunity.  As I understand it, when you got
to the level you wanted to be at, you were supposed to have the
option of buying your facility from the agency and going out on
your own, but most states have never implemented that provision
of the act.  That's because they are making too much money on set
asides at least those that have them.
I don't know what the reasoning was on the non payment of rent
except that at one time, the facilities were not nearly as big as
some of them are now.  They were not originally full fledged food
service facilities and were little more than candy, cigarette and
newspaper stands in their early days.
Harvey
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user: You are replying to Lisa Hall about "Re: help with scandisk.".

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LH> From: Lisa Hall <lisahall@texas.net>
LH> Subject: help with scandisk.
LH> I have been using DOS 6.22 with Windows 3.1 since January 1997.  I had
LH> a situation that happened last week when I went to download messages
LH> with Eudora Lite.  It tried to download messages but it landed me back
LH> in DOS. I reran the program, called my ISP, and commanded Eudora to get
LH> mail. It locked up my system.  I did a warm boot and everything is ok.
LH> However, when I ran scandisk there were some bad clusters on the hard
LH> drive. Should I continue to run this program to its fullest? So far I
LH> had somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 bad clusters.  Should I have a
LH> technician take a look at this.  I have  never done a total backup
LH> before.  Does anyone have any suggestions?   Please help me as soon as
LH> possible since I am trying to get my machine ready for the Internet

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assistant: I would run Scandisk to completion, and see how it comes out.  If you have an
abnormally large number of bad sectors, I would talk to a technician.  if it
is high.  Thirty is more then I would normally expect, but not unreasonable.
if you have Windows 95, be sure and use 32 bit utilities, not those from dos
6.22.
David Andrews
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user: You are replying to "George Cassell" about "Re: ACB Postings".

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"C> From: "George Cassell" <g.cassell@worldnet.att.net>
"C> Subject: ACB Postings
"C> If I may, I'd like to chime in on the topic of ACB info being posted
"C> to this and/or any list pertaining to the blind and visually impaired.
"C> The reason why I subscribe to this list is to LEARN.  I learn from
"C> everyone who posts anything to this list, whether it pertains to NFB or
"C> not.
"C> Knowledge is not selective.  Closed-mindedness is.  The source of the
"C> material is not important or relevant.  The CONTENT is.
"C> ACB, whether you agree with what it has to say or not, does it's best
"C> to do what it can to benefit the blind community, just as the NFB does.
"C> This list is available to all of us to post, within established
"C> guidelines, information that may be of interest and benefit to us all.
"C> I don't recall seeing anything in the guidelines that specifically and
"C> selectively prohibited information provided by the ACB from being
"C> posted here.

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assistant: George:
You say the ACB does what it can to benefit the blind.  I am not sure this is
always the case.
First, you must realize that the ACB split off from the NFB in the early
1960's.  There reason for being was to oppose the NFB.  If you take away that
opposition, there is little left.
In this state, the ACB opposes virtually everything the NFB proposes, despite
its merits.
In another state, recently, that being Missouri, the agency for the blind
sometimes handed out NFB literature.  It did this because the materials had
something to say.  The ACB of Missouri opposed this and eventually pressured
the Missouri agency to stop handing out anything.  They, the ACB had nothing
of their own, but didn't want blind people to get material that might help
them, simply because it was from the NFB.  So, does the ACB always help the
blind.
This list is for NFB members and our friends to discuss things of mutual
interest.
I personally know many ACB members, and like quite a few of them.
Nevertheless, the ACB is not our friend by any stretch of the imagination.
David Andrews, Moderator
... I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere!
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assistant: From: Barbara Freeman <barbie@pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: ACB Postings
On 1 Oct 1997, David Andrews wrote:   This list is for NFB members and
our friends to discuss things of mutual interest.   I personally know
many ACB members, and like quite a few of them.  Nevertheless, the ACB is
not our friend by any stretch of the imagination.   David Andrews,
Moderator  ... I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape
somewhere!
Thank you David!  Good grief every other list and newsgroup on the
internet has list of rules concerning what the list is about.  Why can't
we?  Frankly I think it is a very bad idea to allow ACB post on the NFB
list at all because some new NFB members might get mixed up and think that
they were to follow the actions outlined on the ACB post becaues it is on
the NFB listserve. We have our own alerts on this list all the time and if
the readers of this list have the time to write half the letters that they
are asked to by own alerts I would be suprised.  I encourage anyone who
has the time to read as much as they can of ACB list and The Braille
Forum.  There can be on censorship on the internet even if someone wanted
it.
	We need to keep our own message clear so we can act as the
disciplined unit we are to better the lives of the blind.  The ACB may
jump up and down and make noise but we get the work done.
Barbara Freeman
barbie@pacifier.com