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system: You are Chris Jones, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Audra Mcmaster about "school".

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assistant: I just read your message and had to let you know that I got angrier and
angrier at every word you had to say about this inept school system and
it's antiquated and barbaric methods of education!
I've been down that path myself and finally ended up moving to a
different school district.  (I was in a position to do that, as I was
renting at the time and just didn't consider buying a house in his
former school district.
In his previous school, my son was smacked on the rear for standing and
daydreaming in class.
When I asked the prinicpal about the matter he started to get real smug
and tell me that paddling was allowed in schools.  I was able to shoot
back and tell him I was aware of that and as a former school
administrator I was aware that there was also a written policy and
procedure for this brutalization.
I told him if my kid was hit again, I would investigate it to see that
**EVERY** policy and procedure was carried out.  If it wasn't I was
going to the school board and complain about his negligence.  If my kid
had a bruise I would report the matter to the Children's Services
Department, who would have to investigate the matter for possible
criminal wrong-doing.  And, to top it off, for $25 I'd sue him and the
teacher and ask for punative damages as well.
When he started whining about how parents were supposed to be supportive
of the school, I informed him I would be.  If my kid is breaking rules,
or causing trouble, they are to tell me.  I will deal with his behavior
and be very supportive of their rules and regulations.  I said, "Your
job is to teach, mine is to discipline"
Two years later, Ohio has all but abandoned corporal punishment in it's
schools!
system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Sue Hermanson about "Re: True Cause Of ADHD".

They wrote:
SH>I am sorry to disagree with you, but kids don't just "grow out of the
SH>systoms from ADD."  Believe me he still is ADD and probably will be
SH>the rest of his life.  The Pycnogenol he takes helps him focus and
SH>concentrate and it is not a drug.
SH>Our kids today are mal-nourished
SH>no matter how well they eat.  With all the vitamins and minerals
SH>practically depleted with the processing of foods now days.  All the
SH>chemicals used to grow food has to have some marked effect on our
SH>nutrition.  A farmer friend of mine stated that the ground tested
SH>today against the ground used thirty, even twenty years ago would be
SH>tested nutrient deficient.  Even the food he used to grow corn,
SH>beans, etc. looks and tastes different today than when it did 20-30
SH>years ago. Think about all the new diseases that have come about in
SH>recent years. Myself I would rather take natural vitamins and
SH>minerals be it pycnognel, blue green algae, or V-C, whatever, than
SH>leave myself and my family open for disease and illnesses.  When the
SH>flu goes around, we don't catch it.  We deal with colds with herbal
SH>teas(I know this is another echo).  I have gone on long enough but I
SH>am sure my friend that with an open mind some of what I say does make
SH>sense. Sue :)  Good Health and Blessings.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: SUE HERMANSON was thinking about Re: True Cause Of ADHD and keyed into
cyberspace:
I misstated my point. Your son was taken off ritalin at a time in his
life where many of the coping mechanisms "kick in" because he has
reached a higher level of maturity. Thus, Pycnogoo probably had nothing
to do with it.
Eating healthy is one thing. Thinking that diet plays any part in true
ADHD is totally another. It is like believing in Santa Claus, The Easter
Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Once you have some real knowledge of these
things, you know they are wonderful fables made up to make you feel
good.
              email at MSProbert@aol.con
system: You are Bob Moylan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Julie Decker about "In Tears".

They wrote:
JD> Just thought I'd let you know that the NIH BBS has shut down as
JD> of May 1st.
JD> I have the ADHD TXT file saved to disc with many other NIH
JD> files and would be happy to send it e-mail to anyone interested. I've
JD> never net-mailed before, but I'm sure my sysop would help me out if
JD> someone didn't have e-mail and was interested. It is a long file.

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assistant: Julie Decker On (13 May 96) was overheard to say to All
  Another resource gone...I tried calling it again a week or so ago
  and got nothing
 I also have the ADHD file in zip format.  I also will be happy to
 make it available to anyone who is interested on this side of the
 country..
 Bob
... I had a tagline to put here but I forgot what it was.
system: You are Ryan Williamson, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Nancy Mcvicker about "50 ADD Tips".

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assistant: Nancy,
I'd like to thank you for uploading the 50 Tips for ADD Adults, however
I noted that #13 was not included within the text.   Wondered if you would
upload that one... I've found it to be such good information that I hate to
miss any of it.
Thanks!
Ryan Williamson
... "Mr. Worf, fire phasers at nancy" ... Zzzzzap!
system: You are Dieter Mirbach, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Audra Mcmaster about "Letters To Editor".

They wrote:
AM> * Regina Finan was last heard rambling about:
RF> I do understand, somewhat of what you are saying, but the
RF> problem here is
RF> problem.  We as
RF> parents want to help the teachers out, but for some reason
RF> we keep getting
RF> SHUT OUT!!!
AM> Very well said!!!!! clap, clap, clap

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assistant: On the 05/14/96  22:06, Audra waffled to Regina..
 Hello Audra,
  <chomp>
 Indeed - it's the same the world over. More's the pity.
 Dieter     (dieter@intelligent.com.au)
... oneAustralia - world's first deep water yacht. Real deep.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
system: You are John Pummill, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "Help!".

They wrote:
MP> Corporal punishment on an ADHD child is reprehensible. It is
MP> also
MP> useless. It does not work. Is you child classified special
MP> ed? If he is
MP> not, get him classified. He is entitled to the protection
MP> from this
MP> abusive school.
MP> David could not be suspended without a hearing if he is
MP> special ed
MP> identified. And, demand getting discipline rules (i.e., no
MP> spanking or
MP> corporal punishment) into his IEP. Some researchers have
MP> called ADHD one
MP> of the disorders under the "Reward Deficiency Syndrome".
MP> IOW, these kids
MP> respond to positive discipline, rather than negative. They
MP> will want to
MP> earn rewards.
MP> Take no prisoners. Go to public school board meetings and
MP> name names
MP> (and, let the press know you will be there). This is one of
MP> my favorite
MP> guerilla tactics. Works wonders.
MP> certified, return receipt. You should also do this when your
MP> son is
MP> disciplined in any way. This way you have documentation.
MP> Good luck. And give them hell.

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assistant: It does work with David. The mere sight of a paddle can and will calm him.
 I am amazed that you have to call a normal disclipinary action abuse. We all
went to schools were licks were dispensed and we all lived through it. Now,
suddenly, because this is the "fight for a cause" generation a paddling has
to be called abuse.
 First we have to get the principle to stop lying about what they have and
have not done for David this year. They told the board that they have done
all of these wonderful things that we have not seen the first of. They told
the board that we were not sending him to school medicated and that we were
not sending his medicine with him. All sorts of wonderful lies. I asked for a
copy of this and was told that it was an inter-office memo and I could not
have it... we will see.
 At present it works with David.
 All kids want to earn rewards. We have tried all of the passive disclipine
(sending him to his room, etc) and they work much better if the thought of
the paddle is also put to him. Otherwise he runs out of his room constantly
to tell us the wind is blowing, etc.
 hehehehhe I like it. I am a rather outspoken person and have a good network
through the community.
 (got the part on the letters) They send home a disciplinary referral when he
is punished, has a conference, etc. Next year we will be armed. The board
sent a psycholigist to watch David. She said his disruption in class amounted
to looking and playing with his pencil and looking out the window. The
reports that we have given her Vs. what the principle SAID were greatly
different... lemme get ahold of that memo and we will start a very ugly
process.
 Thanka, I enjoy this. <G>
system: You are John Pummill, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Julie Decker about "diagnosis'".

They wrote:
JD>   The clonidine helps with that as well as attention. For my
JD> daughter
JD> the combination works real well. My oldest boy is on the
JD> Paxil and Tenex.
JD> Tenex calms, but does not put him to sleep.
JD>   Paxil can take several weeks to reach maximum
JD> effectiveness.
JD> That's great that you two can talk these things out. I have
JD> a
JD> wonderfully supportive and involved husband. I wouldn't have
JD> lasted this
JD> long without him. We don't always agree, but like you he is
JD> more objective
JD> at times. It is a good quality to have a nice resource for
JD> me as well.

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assistant: I will keep this in mind of the present does not work.
It seems to be working, one half in the morning and one half at noon.
 We try. She is more emotional about it and I am more meticulous. (sp?) She
wants to beat up the principle and I want to beat her up through the legal
channels.
 It also helps when you just want to scream at someone. <G> We try to deal
with this together, we have different ideas but as she talks to the psych
more than I do I let her do all of the adjusting and the complain to her when
it does not work. <G>
system: You are John Pummill, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Lawrence Dumas about "HELP!".

They wrote:
LD>      Maybe you are just a glutton for punishment. :)
LD>      More seriously.  Moderation in all things seems a wise
LD> path to follow.
LD>      The problem with corporal punishment for ADD behaviours
LD> is that a
LD>      child may not be in control of the behaviour and so
LD> that "punishment"
LD>      is something which they CANNOT AVOID.  This is a
LD> problem because the
LD>      usual response is to "increase the punishment because
LD> they didn't
LD>      learn a thing the last time".  Sound familiar?
LD>      Am I correct in understanding that you think that the
LD> safety equipment
LD>      you list shouldn't be used because they take the
LD> reality out of life?
LD>      John, that is the purpose of safety equipment to take
LD> the reality of
LD>      head injuries, broken arms and skinned knees out of
LD> life.

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assistant: It made me a survivor. <G>
 Yes, but my point is that we all made it out of this phase of life and they
can also. Yes, we want better for our kids but they must also learn the
lessons of life as they go. I pity many children who grow up sheltered (white
flight is extremely bad here) as they will eventually have to deal with the
other races in the real world and will have no clue.
 I disagree TO A POINT. Yes, they are different. They also must learn that
there are rules and manners. They must adhere to them. Punishment is also a
deterrent (punishment vs. crime) to these things.
 In some cases. What we have at the school is a lack of education on the
educators part. We are about to change this for them and at present have the
school board backing us.
 Bumps, bruises, scrapes are part of the reality. Every year I get parents to
my soccer team that are new to the game. Every year they complain after the
first game or two as to how rough the game is. I nicely explain to them that
there are many tennis facilities around. (funny how they always see the other
team as violent but their children are sheep in a pasture <G>)
 I was involved in many sports. I received many injuries. I learned from each
of them what the consequince was of what I did. My problem is that many
parents today shelter their kids tooooo much. They do not know how to deal
with bumps, bruises, scrapes, etc.
system: You are John Pummill, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jake Langille about "JP> I am ready...".

They wrote:
JL>             This quote in this echo is absurd!
JL>                           ^^^^^^^^^
JL>       Woah! Seems your humble opinion outweighs the
JL>             basic safety needs of your children.
JL>                          ^^^^^
JL>                 This was your time John, as well as mine.
JL>                          ^^^^
JL>                 I chose not to make it culture for my kids.
JL>                         ^^^

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assistant: Because David is ADHD is no reason that he cannot learn the lessons of life.
He will not be sheltered or miss any of the chances of any other kid at this
stage of their life.
 Balderdash. Please explain why any child NEEDS more than we did. Show me
where the earth has changed so much that a bicycle helment is now needed
where it was not before.
 Your decision. When mine can deal with bumps and bruises yours will be
looking for a more effective plastic bubble to crawl into.
system: You are John Pummill, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Cathy Hettinger about "In Tears".

They wrote:
CH> Mark, I can point out the kids that are on Ritalin.  I
CH> watched a cousin on it.  It is a look which could well be
CH> described as "stoned".  It makes the kid so sped up he can't
CH> move.  And the medline articles see things like a kid with
CH> ADD doesn't pay enough attention to browse  and get in
CH> trouble.  Put the kid on Ritalin and he can concentrate well
CH> enough to do damage.  It is a myth that drug usage will help
CH> moral character. Teachers are earning a living, better than
CH> 3/4ths of the parents here in Florida.  I am amazed that
CH> people are well aware that coworkers can slack off but
CH> schoolteachers magically never do.  Like any job, if there
CH> is a way to make it through the day easier many will do it.
CH> Especially for one relative where 25% of the boys are on
CH> Ritalin in his class, one should be suspect.  I do
CH> understand that a vacuum has been created.  Corporal
CH> punishment is out the window but there is little to replace
CH> it. Filling that is a million kids on Ritalin.  Why are
CH> people wary of the federal govt but somehow think the local
CH> school system is only trying to help- them?  Perhaps because
CH> of the genetic component parents of ADHD kids are often that
CH> way themselves and don't have the best coping methods for
CH> dealing with massive bureaucracies.  But come to think of it
CH> , who does? Cathy.

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assistant: Cathy, thanks for the reality check. With us in the middle of a battle with
the above mentioned people it helps for someone to put it into perspective.
system: You are Audra Mcmaster, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Julie Decker about "Thanks".

They wrote:
JD> Hi Audra,
JD> I did a drug interaction analysis on the meds. David
JD> is on and thought you might find the results interesting.

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assistant: Yes I did. Thank you very much I was reading anything I could get my hands on
to try and find which two combined were making him hyper. I finally eased him
off of the dexadrine and kept him on the paxil and mellaril. It has worked to
a point. He is still very testy when you tell him to do something. He will
stand there and dare you to get on to him if he doesn't do it. I hate that,
cause the hole time he is daring you he has this evil smile on his face.
I don't know what else to do except give it some time and see how this works.
The dexadrine has really improved his thinking process. He sits around and
does math problems and spells whatever he sees to sound it out. He never
would do that before. The paxil has really made him mentally alert, but hyper
and I'm hoping to counter act the hyperness with the mellaril.
Thanks for the info.
Audra
system: You are Audra Mcmaster, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Cathy Hettinger about "ruling out other med problems".

They wrote:
CH> Hi Andrea.  I've been trying to find on medline any info. on
CH> behavioral problems and physical illness.  Not much there.
CH> My experience is that I had angry outbursts as a kid and am
CH> now diagnosed with Tachycardia.
CH> I've probably had it my whole life. The same kind of anger I've seen in
CH> A way to describe it is it starts in your toes
CH> and goes up your body taking over your body.  You are "swept
CH> away" with this anger.
CH>     It might not look like I have a problem
CH> because I've learned to be a stoic and just not get upset.
CH> Be next to me in a hurricane or emergency I'm the one
CH> breathing normally.  Cathy.

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assistant: You are in the right place for it. I am a manic depressive with ADD. The
paxil takes care of alot of my anger. It is still there though and when it
pops it's ugly little head up WATCH OUT.
That's a new one on me. What is it?
  my daughter.
Yeah, I see it in my son only his is a little worse because he can't quite
control his fits yet.
Damn, I know that feeling well. Almost too well, people around me hate to see
me when it starts (they all begin to scatter).
I need to learn that trick. When mine hits there is no controlling it.
Yes, I can do that. It makes people wonder why I'm so effected by little
things.
Tell me more. Need more input.
Audra
system: You are Tom Warren, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "Re: ADHD and the Education De".

They wrote:
-=>Today, we are quoting MARK PROBERT to ALL <=-
MP> I have a copy of the memorandum from the US Department of Education
MP> that  classifies ADHD as "other health impaired". It is a useful weapon
MP> in  fighting with the school system.
MP> If there is no objection, I will upload it. It is long, and may take
MP> up  several messages.

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assistant: Yes Mark, I for one would like to see this.  My wife and I are raising 4
 grandchildren and 2 of them (boys age 4 & 8) are ADHD.  So far the 2 girls
 seem fairly stable.
Thank you.
Tom
... Grand Kids are so much fun, wish I had had them first
system: You are Theresa Hamman, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Julie Decker about "Re: letters to editor".

They wrote:
>  >     (insert narrow-minded/prejudiced/paranoid behaviour of your
JD>   Strange, Sad little people.
JD>LD> JD> I will be talking to a lawyer with the Arizona Center for Law
>  > JD> in the Public Interest tomorrow.
JD>LD>     Good for you! And.... good for Arizona.
JD>      The school certainly won't think so <G>
JD>LD>     It is useful to keep in mind that many educational staff are
>  >     sympathetic but money has to be re-allocated (not added) from
>  >     the genereal budget to special needs. That is to say that the
>  >     is not to put more money into education but to make the best use
>  >     of the moneys that are available.
JD>   The school here tries not to use them at all. They call and harass
>the parents until they come and pick up their child, then the school
>says, "Don't send them back!" The school dist. here certainly doesn't
>add any money to Special Education. I wouldn't be surprised if they take
>it *From* Sp. Ed.
JD>LD>     Ask a sympathetic school board trustee to attend as an "observer".
>  >     Here in Canada, our services are under attack.  It is my opinion
>  >     that we waste a lot of time by thinking of situations like this as
>  >     strictly "educational" when, in fact, the situation is really
>  >     political. At least, the solutions are political.
JD>    I'm trying to find a volunteer trained advocate. I live in a rural
>area. Here that means out in the desert at least 3 hours from the
>nearest large city. Our city is a resort community about 35,000 strong.
>Emphasis here is on tourism, not children. Even an advocate would have
>to drive 1-3 hours to get here. I plan to travel to Phoenix at the first
>available opportunity and go through the advocate training. I need it
>for my own children and so I can help other families as well. I'll talk
>my cousin Theresa into going with me and then we can advocate for
>each other. I will see if there is a School board member willing to come
>to the meeting. It's a bit last minute so if not for this one I'll ask
>for the next one. Something tells me we will not agree at this one and
>another will be necessary.

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assistant: Julie and Lawrence were discussing Letters to the Editor, when Theresa
heard her named mentioned:
choosing
soluti
That's all I heard when I first began fighting for Mara...how much money
it was going to cost to place her is SpEd. ARGH!!
Hey...I'm ready, when do we go and what is all involved!  I think that
becoming advocates is a great idea...sure would be alot easier fighting
for the kids if we had each other backing up one another.  Let me know
what you find out, and I'll do everything I can to make it so I can come
with you. :)
Your readyforadvocatetrainingCuz Theresa :)
___
 X QMPro 1.53 X You can't scare me... I have children!
system: You are Audra Mcmaster, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dieter Mirbach about "Letters To Editor".

They wrote:
DM> RF> problem.  We as
DM> RF> parents want to help the teachers out, but for some reason
DM> RF> we keep getting
DM> RF> SHUT OUT!!!
DM> AM> Very well said!!!!! clap, clap, clap
DM>  Indeed - it's the same the world over. More's the pity.

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assistant: Yeah, I'm in a battle with the school right now that I'm not about to let
them weasle out of.
Audra