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system: You are Mark Bunner, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Victim Shoots Back".

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assistant: The Daily Times
Weirton, WV 26062
06/24/96
	VICTIM RETURNS FIRE: A Raleigh County woman shot
three times by a former boyfriend managed to shoot back,
wounding him twice, sheriff's deputies say.
	Dorothy Collins, age unavailable, of Bradley was taken to
Charleston Area Medical Center, where her condition was not
available. Roger Watson, 43, of Mount Hope was in stable condi-
tion at the Charleston hospital.
	Collins was drivng away from her home Saturday when Wat-
son shot her and tried to get into the moving car, but Collins
pulled out a weapon and shot him, said sheriff's Detective J.R.
Bare.
	Watson fled, and Collins drove into a ditch, then went to a
neighbor's home for help, Bare said.  Watson was arrested about
five hours later.
By The Associated Press
system: You are Mark Bunner, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Town Meeting Alerts".

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assistant: Town Meeting Alerts for Illinois and New York:
Across the country, lawmakers who voted to repeal the Clinton gun
and magazine ban are facing attacks for their vote.  Members are
urged to attend the meeting in your area, and show pro-gun
lawmakers your support for their efforts.  Other meetings are
listed to give members an opportunity to address to their
representative concerns about their vote on this important issue.
Illinois:
U.S. Congressman Bill Lipinski of Illinois's 3rd Congressional
District will be holding a town hall meeting:
(Voted NO on HR 125, the repeal of the Clinton gun ban.)
Saturday, June 29, 1996
(no time given)
Hale Elementary School
5312 W. 135th
St. Crestwood, IL
New York:
U.S. Congressman Carolyn Maloney of New York's 14th Congressional
District will be holding a town hall meeting:
(Voted NO on HR 125, the repeal of the Clinton gun ban.)
Monday, July 1, 1996
*  5:30 pm, Abraham Joshua Heschel School, 270 W. 89th St., 3rd
Floor, New York, NY
*  7:30 pm, Holy Family Church Auditorium, 315 E. 47th St., New
York, NY
Monday, July 8, 1996
*  5:30 pm, Senior Center, 541 Main St., Roosevelt Island, NY
*  7:30 pm, 222 E. 93rd St., Community Room, New York, NY
If your representative is having a town meeting in your area, and
you do not see it posted to NRA Alerts, we would appreciate it if
you would let us know about it.  You can send your information to
nra-contact@nra.org, or call NRA Grassroots at 800/392-8683.
Please dress appropriately; suits and/or ties make a better
impression than sports or outdoor wear.
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This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle
Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA.
This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is
available at http://www.NRA.Org .
system: You are Mark Bunner, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "ALERT: MA".

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assistant: Massachusetts:
ALERT FOR SB 2282/HB 5850 (Jacques)
As you know, on Wednesday, June 19th, the Senate gutted the gun ban
portion of this bill by a vote of 26-13.  At the same time, they
amended SB 2282 to provide serious punishment for those who use
firearms during the commission of a crime.  Unfortunately, yesterday,
June 26th, the Senate voted 20-19 to place the gun ban back into the
bill with Senate President Thomas Birmingham weighing in with the tie
breaking vote in favor of the ban.  Furthermore, the Senate amended
into the bill restrictive safe storage language, a ban on laser sights
and additional restrictions on the Firearms Owner Identification Card
(FID) system.  On Monday, July 1, the bill will be back up for a
straight "up or down" vote, so it is critical that members keep the
calls going into the Senate offices in opposition.
Senate President Thomas Birmingham had agreed to postpone the vote due
to the untimely death of the wife of pro-gun Senate Majority Leader,
Thomas Norton, who is a vocal opponent of this legislation and was not
present.  You can be sure that unregistered lobbyist Sarah Brady,
Attorney General Harshbarger, and members of the Kennedy family will
be hard at work in the Capitol and with the media to drum up support
for this legislation.
system: You are Mark Bunner, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "INFO: G. Gordon Liddy".

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assistant: Subject: INFO: G. Gordon Liddy and HCI's Friend of Court Brief
June 19, 1996
The following was read by G. Gordon Liddy on his syndicated talk radio
show on June 18, 1996:
"In a friend of the court brief filed in the Sheriff Printz case, the
Center to Prevent Handgun Violence (the 'education' arm of Handgun
Control, Inc.) stated, and I'm quoting with care,
     '27 percent of armed felons claimed to have bought their
     buns at retain outlets.' (misspellings in original.)
"Now that's getting to the bottom of things.
"Three points in earnest:
"Point One.  The Brady lawsuits are focused on constitutionality,
namely whether the Congress can commandeer state and local officials
and force them, against their will, to carry out unfunded federal
mandates.
"Point Two.  'It is hard to see the Brady law ... as ... anything more
than a sop to the widespread fear of crime and to the feeling that
'something must be done' about guns.... [T]he premise underlying
federal gun control policy -- strong gun laws keep guns out of the
wrong hands -- has little, if any effect, in disarming ex-felons and
other ineligibles.' ["Keeping Guns Out of the 'Wrong' Hands." Jacobs,
Potter.  Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology.  Fall 1995.]
"Point Three.  If the country's biggest gun ban group is so careless
in making a case before a U.S. District Court, imagine how careful
they'll be in safeguarding your right to defend yourself.  Answer: not
at all."
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This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle
Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA.
This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is
available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org
Mark Bunner; West Virginia
mbunner@weir.net
RIME: ->MINDLESS
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system: You are Mark Bunner, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "ARMEDCITIZEN: July 2/2".

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assistant: (continued previous message)
 Redlands, California, sheriff's deputies credited an armed
citizen with helping them capture four men and two juveniles who
had just robbed a convenience store and pointed a gun at a plain
clothes police officer as they made their initial getaway.
Following a short chase all the suspects were captured. "One of
the guys was detained at gunpoint by a resident who really helped
us," Sheriff's Sgt. Bobby Phillips said. "He kept him there on
the ground until we got there." (The Daily Facts, Redlands, CA,
3/11/96)
 The teenage hoodlum began his attack on Madera, California,
shopkeeper Moon Yang by spraying him in the face with a chemical
spray, and then kneed him in the stomach. The assailant then
turned to Yang's wife, Soon, spraying her in the face as well.
Fearing for his wife, Yang grabbed a .38 and unleashed four of
the five rounds in his revolver. The suspect was found dead
outside the store and two accomplices were arrested. (The Bee,
Fresno, CA, 3/29/96)
 An Antelope Valley, California, judge was forced to dispense a
different type of justice after a parolee chose his house as the
site of his next burglary. Municipal Court Judge William Seelicke
had already warned the man to leave after spotting him in his
yard, but the man chose to attempt entering Seelicke's home
anyway. A few shots from the judge 's .38 changed his mind
though, and the man fled. Police arrested the housebreaker a
short time later. "Any normal bad guy would have heard the
warnings, but this guy just kept coming," said a Sheriff's
Department detective.  (The Daily News, Lancaster, CA, 3/2/96)
system: You are Mark Bunner, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Re: Okc bombing".

They wrote:
MB><<<Quoting what Richard said to Cloyce>>>
MB>
MB>
MB>RK>>Once again, please provide plausible documentation for this.
MB>RK>
MB>RK>I'd LOVE to see the documentation for this too as I live 50 miles
MB>from
MB>RK>Pittsburgh and spend much of my work day in Pittsburgh.  This is
MB>just
MB>RK>non-sense and propaganda that is being used to future someone's
MB>RK>-cause-!!
MB>RK>
MB>
MB>Call any of the TV news departments.  I live in WV just east of
MB>Pittsburgh and saw references on the news about it.

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assistant: <<<Quoting what Mark said to Richard>>>
That should have read "just West of Pittsburgh."
Really, I *do* know where I live.  :-)
Mark Bunner; West Virginia
mbunner@weir.net
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system: You are Jackson Dryden, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jeff Tapke about "kevlar vests".

They wrote:
JT>  JP> (and qualified annually) at the same standards mandated by NY for
JT>  JP> police.  IMNSHO, said standards were pretty damn minimal.
JT>
JT> normally 70 percent on a _really_ _really_ easy course.
JT>
JT> Seriously, if you can't pass the "standard" here in Illinois, you have
JT> to be blind in one eye, very near sighted in the other, and have a grip
JT> your gun like mother theresa, shaking like a tree limb in a hurricane.
JT> it's pathetic.

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assistant: ot
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Jeff,
Are you saying that those that are possessed of those qualities do not have
the right to the use of deadly force in self defense? I would like to see
everybody trained to the hilt, but the fact of the matter is that we (or
the government, or anybody else) do not have the right to disarm anybody
based upon competence (excepting the mental variety).  The law does not
agree with me. If it did, we would be using this fido to trade tapioca
recipes.
jackson
system: You are Jackson Dryden, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Paul Nixon about "Another anti-gun site".

They wrote:
PN>  * Originally By: RIC DUNCAN
PN> BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Invite the criminal in.....that's funny!!
PN> Live in a gun-free home? Want to ensure the highest level of safety
PN> during a home invasion? Be sure to check out our model for a sign you
PN> may place on your property.                                   |

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assistant: Paul,
I detect a strong tongue in cheek component to this. If not, whoever wrote
it must be overdosed on Prozac.
jackson
system: You are Clyde Jones, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to John Perz about "10 / 22 stuff catalog".

They wrote:
JJP>Brownels.  Their catalog lists over 19,000 goodies, including
JP>anything you can think of for 10/22s.

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assistant: Thanks John, this will do nicely.
                                  c.j.
system: You are John Perz, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Paul Nixon about "vest".

They wrote:
-> "I do believe that where there is a choice only between
-> cowardice and violence, I would advise violence."
->
-> First person who can correctly cite the person who stated the above
-> wins an all expense paid two-week vacation for two to Philadelphia.

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assistant: Mahatma Ghandi.  And no thanks, nobody in their right mind wants to
spend two weeks in Philadelphia.
Regards
John
system: You are John Perz, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Daniel Digriz about "P-38 / P-1 grain safety?".

They wrote:
-> I'll avoid anything marked "burp-gun ammo". However, my P-1 is a 64
-> steel-framed model. It might stand up to a little more abuse. Still,
-> I don't want to risk it. I don't know what +P's and +P+'s
-> are,`however.

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assistant: These refer to cartridge pressure levels.  To use 38 special as an
example:  regular 38 special rounds will generate 18,000psi.  38 special
plus P's will generate 22,000psi.  38 special +P+ may run 27,000psi.
+P's are sold over the counter, +P+'s are not, they are sold directly to
police agencies, which sign a blanket release absolving the ammo maker
from all liability.  Generally, they only shoot them in 357 magnums, not
regular 38 specials.
As far as 9mm ammo goes, generally speaking, European ammo is loaded to
NATO spec, which is said to be "hotter" (higher pressure) than american
ammo, which is loaded to SAAMI spec.  (Shooting Arms & Ammo Makers
Institute)
Also, the Europeans have a tendency to load some 9mm ammo extra "hot"
specifically for use in sub-machine guns.  (The Europeans may refer
to them as "machine carbines" or "machine pistols") The boxes are so
marked, but I don't believe the cartridges themselve are.
Regards
John
system: You are Htom Trites, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Earnest Padgette about "Congressional Blather".

They wrote:
EP> (clip)
HT>Well, they could start by publishing the final form of the bills before
HT>they are voted on, say 14 days before.  If they want to change it, that's
HT>fine, they have to make the changes, and then publish the entire thing
HT>again, and wait another 14 days.
EP>         Not a bad idea. Let them have a waiting period *for*
EP>         legislation, instead of the other way round. EP
HT>But since a bare majority in either house can split a bill into parts,
HT>there's little need for such.  They don't need to be made to do things
HT>properly, because they can.  They need to *want to do them this way --
HT>and then it wouldn't matter if they did or not!
EP>         That's the key. If they want to, any rules will do. If they
EP>         don't want to, no rule is good enough to stop them.
EP>         Responsibility and self discipline goes a long way. Ernie P.

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assistant: [rotfl]  I hadn't thought of it that way!
The older I get, the more respect I have for Gandhi (although the idea
is as well preached by others, as well.)
The delusion is that there is any control other than self-control.
system: You are John Rickards, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Nolan Penney about "Nra vote".

They wrote:
NP>JR>Must be based on the fact that I am a Life Member.  Every "Life
NP>JR>Member" get a ballot.  Annual Members have to meet the "5 year"
NP>JR>rule.  I would imagine that is why those were mailed
NP>JR>individually.                   JR
NP>That may well be.  It would be pretty easy to control based on that.
NP>They may well send you a somewhat different magazine too because of
NP>that.  Several magazine subscriptions I've got do that.  The shelf
NP>version is sometimes substantially different then the subscription
NP>version.  The subscription having special goodies or such that the shelf
NP>version didn't.  So I could see the NRA doing that with their life
NP>members.

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assistant: I'm sure the magazine is the same as I've seen other copies from persons
who were not life members.  Nothing in mine that I would consider
"goodies" based on being a life member.
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system: You are John Perz, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Max Lake about "Food for thought . . .".

They wrote:
-> JP> -> However, I can (usually, depending on the gun) toss a safety
-> on
->  JP> -> which might give me an extra moment of time should someone ma
-> JP> -> to get their hands on the gun.
->
-> JP> Better yet, hit the magazine release and let the mag drop, this w
-> JP> render it harmless while you go for your backup.
->
-> I missed the first part. What type of weapon is being discussed? Many
-> semi-autos do not have a magazine disconnector. I took it out of my
-> Browning.

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assistant: Actually, I don't specifically know which gun John was refering to, we
were more or less talking generic semi-auto, at least **I** was, so you
are quite right to call me on this.  I pretty much stick to wheelguns,
but have a passing acquaintence with Colt semi-autos.  The more modern
stuff tends to blur together in my own mind as "another one of THEM".
You're right of course, some of them don't have magazine disconnects, I
guess.  Come to think of it, some of them don't have safety's either,
just decockers.
Bottom line here is that you've really got to know any gun you are
carrying.
Why'd you disconnect the magazine safety on your Browning?
Regards
John
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user: You are replying to Guy Putnam about "NRA".

They wrote:
-> No, but its an excellent idea, since I use WP as my editor.  I just
-> didn't think I'd run into so many Sheeple (that vote for
-> anti-gunners) on a supposedly "pro"-gun echo, that I would need
-> macros on basic firearms politics.

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assistant: Guy, is there a point to this?
I don't recall seeing any specific recomendation from you as to who we
SHOULD vote for, just that you're not happy with either Clinton **OR**
Dole.
So, specifically, who are you going to vote for for president in
November?
Regards
John
system: You are John Perz, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dennis Jenkins about "P-38 / P-1 grain safety?".

They wrote:
-> I have a 1983 S&W stainless steel model 60 revolver.  The owners
-> manual has a warning about +P+ shells.  Does this mean that I can
-> use regular +P shells?
-> What would be a good commercial round for this gun?

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assistant: The general rule of thumb is:  Plus P's are ok in modern steel framed
guns, NOT a real good idea in aluminum framed guns.  Also not a good
idea in the OLDER steel guns, say pre-war.
The 158 grain lead HPSW (Hollow Point Semi-Wadcutter) +P, also known
variously as the "Chicago Load" or the "FBI Load"  has a first rate
reputation for effectiveness.
Any of the 125 grain Hollow Point +P's are good loads, much better than
the regular, non +P 38's.
Among the regular, non +P 38's, Federal's NYCLAD stands out as one of
the best.  This is a soft lead hollowpoint coated with nylon to keep it
from fouling the bore.  It seems to expand reliably even when fired from
a short barrel, something not all the regular 38 bullets will do.
I'm not a big fan of exotic bullets like the Glasser, but as a purely
anti-personel round, for close range defense, it makes a lot of sense in
a 38 snub.
A couple of points to bear in mind:
The fixed sights on a snub 38 are usually factory designed for 158 grain
loads, most others will not shoot to the same point.
+P loads are gonna recoil a fair bit more than regular 38's.  You're
gonna want to replace the stock wood stocks with something like
Pachmayers.
Regards
John
system: You are John Perz, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Nolan Penney about "Nra vote".

They wrote:
-> JP>As long as we're talking radical ideas, why not the proxy system?
->
-> It sounds interesting.  But I've never seen a proxy system in operati
-> so I don't have any idea how well they actually work, or don't work.
-> you have any experience with it?

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assistant: No, but it's the basic system all US corporations use with their
shareholders.  Which, come to think of it, may not be the best
recomendation in the world . . .
Regards
John
system: You are John Perz, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dan Arico about "Kevlar Vests".

They wrote:
-> JP> they attributed this largely to having switched, in 1970, to the
-> JP> simple Turret Technique.  LAPD, with an even higher officer survi
-> JP> ratio, also uses the Turret."
->
-> I'm not familiar with the term. What is meant by the "Turret"?

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assistant: It's also called the Isocoles Technique.  Its the alternative to the
Weaver, where the gun is held two handed, with both arms fully extended.
Regards
John
system: You are Bill Frenchu, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to John Perz about "Re: Vest".

They wrote:
>> "I do believe that where there is a choice only between
>> cowardice and violence, I would advise violence."
>>
>> First person who can correctly cite the person who stated the above
>> wins an all expense paid two-week vacation for two to Philadelphia.
> Mahatma Ghandi.  And no thanks, nobody in their right mind wants to
> spend two weeks in Philadelphia.

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assistant: Even if *second* prize is *three* weeks in Philadelphia?  :-)
... What if there were no hypothetical situations?
...
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system: You are Jeff Tapke, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to John Perz about "kevlar vests".

They wrote:
JP> Actually, when I was riding around in the armored car, we always figured
JP> that if the excrement ever hit the impeller, we were on own.

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assistant: Which pretty much describes my situation.
And, without going into detail, I'm better prepared then most.
:)
jeff
system: You are Carlos Martinez, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Guns message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Guy Putnam about "Tommy Gun".

They wrote:
GP> What you could turn would be 10'n10 . . . . $10,000 of your
GP> money, & 10
GP> years of your time.  Ask him to produce an ATF Form 4 on the
GP> gun.

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assistant: it's not an original ):
  -Los
  could I be so lucky?...nope