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NF>Harvey:
NF>I think you are to quick to judge a "voice vote."  My recollection
NF>of the 1990 voice vote was that the people wanting to come back won
NF>by a little. With voice votes, I think it depends on where you were
NF>sitting.
NF>I remember talking to two other people about a recent voice vote,
NF>in the last couple years, a close one, I don't remember which,and
NF>we all three had different ideas on what had happened.
NF>David Andrews

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assistant: From: Harvey Heagy <hheagy@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
As they say, you have your opinion, I have mine to which we are
both entitled.  I believe the consensus of the convention was
clearly "no," but no matter what the convention said, Dr.
Jernigan was committed to returning to Dallas in 1993 anyway or
he would not have been in the middle of negotiations to return
there as he told us he was.  He barely got that sentence out when
the chorus of "No's," started.  So he opened that door and as
such should have abided by the convention's wishes or not opened
that door in the first place.  I would not be surprised if he
rather than being in the midst of negotiations had already signed
the deal to return.  As I said, we were going back there whether
the convention wanted to or not.  And as long as the membership
keeps putting up with this kind of thing our leaders are going to
keep doing it.  I think it is time for the membership to reclaim
some of its power.
On 1998-04-14 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
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assistant: From: Daveed Mandell <daveed@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
Sadly, Harvey, while I consider this to be a rather gross comparison, I've
heard many people refer to the NFB in reference to the Nazis.  Sadly, too,
the NFB has adopted some of their tactics, namely, that efficiency seems
to be more important than freedom and democracy.
g
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assistant: From: empower@smart.net
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
Well said, Al!  Politicians sometimes gain credibility by being forthright
about errors in judgment, and even apologizing on occasion.  For
example, if facts about Clinton and Lewinski come out that
contradict the Presiden's public statements, he will surely be
worse off than if he had told the American people up front
about a lapse in judgment he had, regrets, and is seeking to
correct in some way.
One thing I hope we consider is that organizational processes that may
have been appropriate in the past might not be optimum any longer.
Forces in the field of blindness have shifted considerably over the last
decade.  Civil rights laws have fundamentally changed.  Information
technology has altered the daily business and personal environment of
our lives.  I know the Federation  is cogniscent of the times and
committed to an ongoing record of accomplishment for blind people.  As
we look toward the next century, perhaps we should consider more
deliberately how we should best adapt our means to achieve the ends of
first class citizenship in the world of 2000.  I appreciate this list
as a forum for such discussion.
Regards,
Jamal
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assistant: From: "Sir Sean " <sirsean@mail.oix.com>
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
Daveed
Any organization you are part of or have to deal with has to have some
regard for efficiency or they literally would never get anything
accomplished.  Your point that democracy shouldn't be sacrificed is
certainly valid, but comparing the N F B to Nazism isn't helpful.  No
doubt, there are people within the big political parties like the Democrats
or the Republicans who feel disempowered or that their voices aren't being
heard, but if they started using terms like Nazi, what would happen to
their credibility?
I am certainly not pleased by some of the policies of the N F B,
particularly its anti guide dog mentality, and this issue isn't helped when
people respond to me by saying, oh we're not really anti dog, in direct
contradiction of the way their training centres treat guide dog employers.
So I point out the obvious, that you can't say you're not anti dog if your
policies are anti dog, and then I work for change.  If I called them Nazis
because they disagreed with me, do you think they'd now be asking me what
can we do to make the training centres more accommodating to guide dog
employers?  I think this is how progress happens.
More importantly, what is it about the N F B that you like?  why are you on
this list talking to people about blindness?  Obviously, you care a great
deal about improving conditions for blind people or you wouldn't be making
the effort to comment on areas which concern you.  What are some of the
areas where you feel the N F B philosophy has been helpful to you and where
do you think the N F B has already had some success in changing what it
means to be blind?
Sean
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assistant: From: Daveed Mandell <daveed@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
I don't use that term for anyone, since what the Nazis did was abhorent,
mass genocide.  I don't like people using that terminologyk, but I know
many who do when referring to the NFB.
Perhaps they mean to pint out the group's growing lack of humanity,
feeling, caring about its members (we're not talking rank-and-file folks),
and overall concern for clockwork and smooth operation at the expense of
the members.
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assistant: From: empower@smart.net
Subject: Edupage, 19 April 1998
In case anyone on this list is unaware of this newslettr, I thought
you may be interested in this sample, current issue.  Subscription info
for this free, 3times-a-week publication is at the end.  I recommend
Edupage as a way of keeping abreast of newsworthy developments related
to technology.
Regards,
Jamal
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assistant: From: Daveed Mandell <daveed@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Why The NFB
I do not think that the l
leadership respects the membership, Jamal.  Respect is a two-way street!
I'm sorry you left the ACB to return to a clistered, well-garded,
closed-minded movement.
I don't foresee much change in the Federation very soon.
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assistant: From: Daveed Mandell <daveed@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
So, Eteve, we've gone full cirlce, and Jamal is back in the fold.  And
what did this get the NFB?
It's as undemocratic as ever!
He's going to have to go along with "official policy".
I see no victory here.
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assistant: From: Daveed Mandell <daveed@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Why The NFB
I think your courage, Harvey, flies in the face of Jamal's now somewhat
meek attitude as a rank and file federationist who must follow
and adhere to "official policy".  Keep it up, Harvey.  Federationists need
you.  Maybe one day they'll wake up and make the movement a democracy to
be proud of!
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assistant: From: Daveed Mandell <daveed@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Why The NFB
I believe some sort of cab script system would work for us.  Remember that
according to the ADA, if very little public transit is available in a
given area, then inadequate paratransit will also be available.
If the bus service is cut, so, too, is the paratransit service.
I frankly feel the paratransit budgets are too bloated, resulting in very
substandard service, lumping
all disabled folks together.  Subsidized cabs for blind folks might be
something the NFB would be willing to accept. I hope.
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>
>
> I do not think that the l
> leadership respects the membership, Jamal.  Respect is a two-way street!
> I'm sorry you left the ACB to return to a clistered, well-garded,
> closed-minded movement.
> I don't foresee much change in the Federation very soon.
>
>
>

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assistant: From: Monthian Buntan <mbuntan@rs.mahidol.ac.th>
Subject: Re: Why The NFB
I disagree with Daveed regarding Jaml's  decision.  The federation might
be imperfect as any organization in the world, but it has proved to be
more effective and useful to blind people, not only in the US, but around
the world with its philosophy.  I think it's better to work within a more
effective organization to get better result than trying to raise the
standard of the other one which may or may not guarantee anything
philosophically or even realistically.
Regards,
Thian.
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Daveed Mandell wrote:
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>
>
> So, Eteve, we've gone full cirlce, and Jamal is back in the fold.  And
> what did this get the NFB?
> It's as undemocratic as ever!
> He's going to have to go along with "official policy".
> I see no victory here.
>
>
>

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assistant: From: Monthian Buntan <mbuntan@rs.mahidol.ac.th>
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
Sorry folks,
As an nfb member who is living outside the US, I'm trying to be as opened
to different view points as possible.  However, I don't find most of
Daveed's posts anything productive for our discussion.  I don't see any
purposes out of his personal bashing on the organization.  Anyone with
different view points from me, please counter my statement.
Regards,
Thian.
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Subject: Re: Why the NFB (fwd)
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assistant: From: Harvey Heagy <hheagy@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: Why The NFB
The Only reason Don Capps wanted a camp for the blind in South
Carolina is because of Camp Dogwood in North Carolina which is
also for the blind.  I think that while he is a nice man, he is
very ineffective and has been for many years.
Whether South Carolina is wealthy or not, I would think that it
would have to be one of the most endowed affiliates in the nation
considering California's problems in recent years.
Harvey
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They wrote:
>
>
> Sorry folks,
>
> As an nfb member who is living outside the US, I'm trying to be as opened
> to different view points as possible.  However, I don't find most of
> Daveed's posts anything productive for our discussion.  I don't see any
> purposes out of his personal bashing on the organization.  Anyone with
> different view points from me, please counter my statement.
>
> Regards,
>
> Thian.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Daveed Mandell wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > So, Eteve, we've gone full cirlce, and Jamal is back in the fold.  And
> > what did this get the NFB?
> > It's as undemocratic as ever!
> > He's going to have to go along with "official policy".
> > I see no victory here.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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assistant: From: Cynthia Handel <cindy425@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
I agree!  It seems that Daveed has chosen this list to vent his dislike of
the NFB.  Yes, we all may have aspects of the NFB with which we disagree
and this list is a good forum for discussion.  But to always be negative
about the NFB policies and philosophy and leadership, seems to me, to be
distructive.
"Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then...find the way."
Abraham Lincoln
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Subject: Unsubscribe
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NF>The incident you are beating to death happened 7 years ago, and
NF>Jamal is in the organization again.  Let it go, he has!
NF>David andrews

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assistant: From: Harvey Heagy <hheagy@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: Why The NFB
On 1998-04-21 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
Yes, but some of us would like to be assured that a similar abuse
of power by our national leadership never happens again, and
unless people know what happened, it probably will.  If a mistake
was made the national leadership should have apologized for it
not back peddled all the way as it clearly did.
Harvey
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>
>
> Dave, I think it's time for me to express my appreciation for how you
> moderate this conference.  There has indeed been a good deal of
> freewheeling debate here, and I'm glad of it.  I suspect that we could use
> more time for such discussions during national convention sessions, but
> I'm sure this conference can help many of us to be more productive and
> fine-tuned in whatever discussions we do have at convention time.  Thank
> you for your work!
>
> Al
>
>
> On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, David Andrews wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > There have been assertions here that the NFB doesn't allow debate.  I was
> > just saying that it isn't true.
> >
> > David andrews
> > At 11:55 AM 4/15/98 +0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On 1998-04-15 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
> > > NF>I see lots of debate here, and this list is sponsored by the
> > >NFB,
> > > NF>and paid for largely by the NFB.
> > > NF>David Andrews
> > >What does that have to do with anything?  Are you implying that
> > >we shouldn't have debate because the N.F.B. pays for the list?
> > >Or are you saying that the N.F.B. leadership has done nothing to
> > >stop the ongoing debate even though it pays for the list?  They
> > >know they can't stop this discussion by any other means other
> > >than shutting down the list or by removing those of us who voice
> > >differing views which would confirm what we are saying.
> > >
> > >Harvey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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assistant: From: Steve Zielinski <stevez@ripco.com>
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
My vote goes to Dave regarding your moderation as well.  Very well done,
and fair.  You can be sure I appreciate that.
On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Al and Masha Sten-Clanton wrote:
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|  Steve Zielinski  (N8UJS)  |
|      stevez@ripco.com      |
+----------------------------+
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>Dave, I think it's time for me to express my appreciation for how
>you moderate this conference.  There has indeed been a good deal of
>freewheeling debate here, and I'm glad of it.  I suspect that we
>could use more time for such discussions during national convention
>sessions, but I'm sure this conference can help many of us to be
>more productive and fine-tuned in whatever discussions we do have
>at convention time.  Thank you for your work!
>Al
>On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, David Andrews wrote:
>> There have been assertions here that the NFB doesn't allow debate.
>>I was  just saying that it isn't true.
>> David andrews
>> At 11:55 AM 4/15/98 +0500, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On 1998-04-15 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
>> > NF>I see lots of debate here, and this list is sponsored by the
>> >NFB,
>> > NF>and paid for largely by the NFB.
>> > NF>David Andrews
>> >What does that have to do with anything?  Are you implying that
>> >we shouldn't have debate because the N.F.B. pays for the list?
>> >Or are you saying that the N.F.B. leadership has done nothing to
>> >stop the ongoing debate even though it pays for the list?  They
>> >know they can't stop this discussion by any other means other
>> >than shutting down the list or by removing those of us who voice
>> >differing views which would confirm what we are saying.
>> >
>> >Harvey
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >

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assistant: From: empower@smart.net
Subject: Re: Why the NFB
I'd also like to express my appreciation for the excellent work Dave
Andrews does in establishing and moderating NFB sponsored mailing lists,
as well as his maintenance of the NFB-NET BBS, which is rich in content and
capabilities!
Regards,
Jamal
On 1998-04-16 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
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Subject: NFB to testify at Senate hearing on assistive tech
04/29/98  9:30 AM
 Senate Committee on Labor and Human Resources
  Hearing
  430 Dirksen Senate Office Bldg.
   Topic:
     Assistive Technology Act
   Bills:  Currently, none
   Scheduled Witnesses:
     Judith Heumann - Assistant Secretary, Office of Special Education and
       Rehabilitative Services, Department of Education
     Sam Jadallah - Vice President, Organization Customer Unit, Microsoft
       Corporation
     Carol Smith
     Corey Rowley - Chairperson, National Council on Independent Living
       Assistive Technology Task Force
     James Gashel - Director, Government Affairs, National Federation of the
       Blind
     Lynne Cleveland - Project Director, Assistive Technology Project,
ermont
     Cris Fulford - Project Manager, TECH ACT, ATTAIN Project
     Marion Pawlek - Coordinator, Assistive Technology Project, New Hampshire
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Subject: Re: COMISSION BILL IN ARIZONA
Hi Andy,
I wrote the message and I didnh't say anything about hair color.  I might
ave
missed something when I re read it.
Anyway, we are waiting for the bill to be passed and sighed.  Will send more
later when the victory is achieved.
                          Lee
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assistant: From: Harvey Heagy <hheagy@delphi.com>
Subject: windows 95 seminar
In the Convention Attractions article in the April Monitor, there
is listed a "Windows 95," seminar for Saturday July 4 from 1-5
P.M.  I think serious consideration should be given to repeating
that seminar for the benefit of those not able to arrive at the
convention early enough to attend this one.  Windows 95 is
becoming a serious factor in all our lives and while this seminar
won't make anyone a windows whiz it will give us some idea how to
use it.
Harvey