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system: You are Edward Sott, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Phillip Kenney about "Re: Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
ES> I know from personal experience that ADHD, ADD, Alcoholism, Drug
ES> and/or mental illness can be deadly to a person, if not correctly
PK>
PK>          Do you seriosly know somone who has died from ADD?
PK>          Is Ritlin The Awnser? My opinion is NO!

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assistant: adictions,
reated.
Actually I can say from personal experience that it can contribute to death.
In some severe cases in children violent physical reactions occur.  In MY
ase
it was severe self abuse bordering catching myself and my brother on fire,
crushing my fingers in a thumbscrew, slicing into my skin repetatively with
knifes.  Or even violent fits of rage where battering my head into walls, &
even walking through plate glass windows.  So yes I can say ADD/ADHD as well
as the other diseases I have mentioned, some also extending from same, can
and will cause death.  Thus are if untreated are potentially deadly.
As for medication, such as Ritalin, Thorazine, Zanax, Ludiomil, and other
psychotropics, if they are absolutely necessary in use to control these
tendencies, and they are moderated and prescribed profesionally and carefully
by a certified Physician, they can be extremely beneficial.  But incorrectly
used and often time they are.  They can be a detriment as well.
In my case, I self medicated thus becoming a drug addict and alcoholic.
eing
a recovering alcoholic addict with 11 years of sobriety, I still suffer from
ADHD.  Due to medical reasons, I personally am unable to take psycotropics of
any sort.  But have learned through years of dealing with the symptoms to
control my responses and reactions: Without the use of medications
Edward Sott
system: You are Sharyn Noakes, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Marie Weidemann about "Re: Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
MW>  Jane...I am the mother of 9 children..3 are ADD and ADHD..I have 15
MW>  grandchildren that are ADD and ADHD...I HAVE NEVER TOUCHED COCAINE OR
MW>  ANY OTHER DRUG IN MY LIFE...The only "drug" that I took while pregnant
MW>  was asprin..and damn little of that..I had a natural births..no drugs at
MW>  all..and STILL have children that are ADHD...My parents didn't drink and
MW>  my mother never used any drug other than asprin either..So please..STOP
MW>  linking all mothers in the same group..there was one daughter-in-law tha
MW>  DID use drugs while pregnant...and her son (my grandson) is NOT ADHD...
MW>  Not all mothers with ADHD children have, or are, using drugs, nor are
MW>  all mothers drunks. You seem to think we are. I resent that.

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assistant: Hello Marie!
In a message to Jane Kelley <04/24/98> Marie Weidemann wrote:
Very well put Marie and my hat is off to you.  I only have one child
and she is ADHD.  Both my parents were very..very intelligent...my
father alone had a 154 I.Q. and both he and my mother were very
successful in live.  Neither one touched drugs etc...they had two
children...my brother and me...I have ADHD and my brother does not.
Both my brother and I are very intelligent...however I'm the slow one
(that's what they labeled me when I was younger).  My ex husband is
very intelligent...but he too has ADD.  His mother had 4 children and
he was the only one with ADD.  My daughter too is very
intelligent...I.Q. 144, but with ADHD keeping her attention is the
biggest problem...she holds a 98 percentile in mathematics too.
Personally I think it could be a gene that is passed down, but I'm no
doctor so this is only a thought.  It has also come to me that most
people with ADD are very intelligent...what are your feelings about
this?
I agree with you fully especially the last comment...However, let me
warn you Marie...Jane will come up with something countering your
posts or she my even call you a lair stating "how did you know what
your mother did"?  Best thing to do is not even grace her with a post
back.  We all "know" the truth and that's all that counts.
Sharyn
SNoakes78@MCI2000.com
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system: You are Butch Walker, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
JK> We have this damnable insane attitiude about addiction in
JK> this nation that says it is a moral question.  It isn't.  It
JK> is a public health problem just like every other public
JK> health problem, and your attitude stops all sanity toward it
JK> for all times sake.
JK> Do you believe you are somehow better or more moral than
JK> someone who has become addicted to a drug or to alcohol?

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assistant: You are certainly entitiled to your opinion.  I also accept that it's
something that you feel strongly about.  However it seems to me that you'd be
better off stating your opinion in another echo that deals with addiction or
substance abuse.
    Granted I haven't read every message that you have posted.  I have read
enough now to get a sense of your direction.  The bulk of your messages are
meant to create discord in the conference, offer nothing constructive and
certainly have no intent to offer support or comfort.
    I would suggest that you either change your attitude, modify your style
and content or move along.
    Thanks.
system: You are Butch Walker, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Mellow out".

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assistant: Okay, let's all settle down now and get back to business.
    Everyone has opinions.  Just because we have opinions doesn't mean that
we have to subject others to them.  On the other hand just because we are
subjected to them doesn't mean we have to rise to the bait if we disagree.
    I try to let the conferences that I started and continue to moderate find
their own level as long as they stay on course.  The course is simple... the
exchange of support, comfort and information.  Let's get this puppy back on
course.
system: You are Sharyn Noakes, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Bob Moylan about "Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
BM>   Neither ADD/ADHD are 'life threatening' disorders.  Can you say that
BM>   there has been no one who died as a consequence of either?  The
BM>  PK>          Is Ritlin The Awnser? My opinion is NO!
BM>  On what do you base your opinion?
BM>  MPH/Ritalin, or any of the other medications used _alone_ are not an
BM>  answer.  I am not naive enough to believe that _every_ child who takes
BM>  this med is also receiving all the ancillary services that encompass a
BM>  comprehensive treatment program.  There are undoubtedly some who do
BM>  believe that meds are the total answer.

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assistant: Hello Bob!
In a message to Phillip Kenney <04/24/98> Bob Moylan wrote:
I'll agree with you here Bob.  About the only thing that I would
consider is when the child becomes of driving age.  From personal
experience this is exactly what happened with my daughter...She,
without thinking turned in front of an on coming car and totaled the
car.  There were two other instances where she had automobile crashes
and I have spoken to many parents that have had their children in
these same types of accidents.  It is my opinion that children that
have ADHD be required to take special driving education classes. My
daughter is almost 20 and still drives like a manics.
Once again I highly agree.  My daughter not only received a complete
medical exam through a Neurologist, but outside counselling, medication
(Ritlin) as well as the guidance of parents and teachers.  ADHD is not
a simple treatment of medication.  There is much more required for
these children/adult to live a normal life.  The counseling helps the
person/child to slow down and not understand what they are
doing/saying etc., but how to handle it.
Sharyn
SNoakes78@MCI2000.com
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system: You are Pat Tan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Roxanne Spear about "Burnaby Remote BBS".

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assistant: You do usually call there right?  Can u do me a favour?  U see my acount
there as PAT TAN is corrupt, when I log on to that BBS, I can hardly see REAL
WORDS. I must a hit something that cause that garbage.  Can yo just like
write a note to the sysop telling hime my problem?  Thank you very much!
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system: You are Sharyn Noakes, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Alan Rackmill about "Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
AR> MR> hey sharyn are you the new moderator of adhd
AR>  SN> No and there is a current moderator.
AR> Yes there is.
AR> Butch Walker is the moderator, and he usually lets the conferences he run
AR> alone.
AR> Until a problem arises.

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assistant: Hello Alan!
In a message to Sharyn Noakes <04/25/98> Alan Rackmill wrote:
Gosh Alan...I hope you didn't take my answer to the above as the
wasn't a moderator here...just was telling the person I wasn't the
moderator and yes there is a moderator...guess I should have been more
clear on this..
Sharyn
SNoakes78@MCI2000.com
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system: You are Sharyn Noakes, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
JK> AS long as your attitude remains as Purianical as that of the folks who
JK> landed on Plymouth Rock in the early 1600's, we aren't going to make much
JK> progress in treating ADD or any other disease.
JK> They tried to cure addiction by placing drunks in stocks.  Their
JK> descendants  are still trying to cure addiction by locking addicts up in
JK> modern jails.
JK> so please spare me your comments about my attitude.

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assistant: Hello Jam!
In a message to Sharyn Noakes <04/25/98> Jane Kelley wrote:
Well I think you need to check into this for the "real" facts Jane.
There has been an overwhelming progress with the treatment of ADD or
should I say a more understanding of how these children can be help.
Not only with medications, but there are other factors that are needed
as well.  Oh!  By the way...it's Puritanical...you fogot the "t".
Seems to me Jane you are fixed on addicts and drunks...is there a
personal reason why you seem to link them to people/children with ADD
and ADHD?  Are we now taking on the role of law enforcement too???
My..my..you "are" a woman who wears many hats.
Ahhhh...never mentioned attitude...but now that you have mentioned it
you do have one I see.
Can we please get back on tract and discuss the real reason we are
here?  ADHD, not drunks and addicts....
Sharyn
SNoakes78@MCI2000.com
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system: You are Louise Braybon, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "not mandy".

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assistant: hi Mark my name isn't Mandy its Louise I think you were given the wrong
address or it might be my mistake did I speak to you on the telephone the
other night please for you me I'm pretty good with names I can't remember
talking to you however that doesn't mean we haven't spoken
catch up with you soon maybe Louise
system: You are Edward Sott, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Re: Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
JK> Got news for you, ADD and ADHD are linked to cocaine use, and other drugs
JK> well, by women during their pregnancies.  THAT IS IN THE AREA Of CHEMICAL
JK> DEPENDENCY AND SOMETHING THATALL OF THE FANCY RESEARCHERS are ignoring!!!

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assistant: a
Oh what an interesting statement you have made here.  If this is an actual
case in all cases of ADD or ADHD.  Then it says that my mother, also did
illicit substances while she was pregnant with me.
I wonder how this could possibly be, considering my mother never took drugs
n
her life.  She was a vegetarian most of her life, she never drank, smoked, or
did drugs.  Furthermore she is a firm beleiver in natural, hollistic healing,
and refuses to this day to take any medications, not discluding a simple
ouph
suppressant, or acetominophen.
So I suppose my mother was a cocaine addict.  BOY THIS CLARIFIES A GREAT DEAL
FOR ME!!! NO WONDER I SUFFERED FROM SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS, ALCOHOLISM,
ADDICTION, AND ADHD.
Sorry, But I find this tripe highly insulting and utterly ridiculous.  ANd
seeming that you tend to validate your status using this as some claims to
your inherent knowledge, I am very disturbed knowing that you are an
addictions counselor, or that your in the medical field.  I offer my
condolences to the families of the many people you claim to be trying to
lp.
Edward Sott
system: You are Lettuce Head, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Re: Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
JK> Got news for you, ADD and ADHD are linked to cocaine use, and other drugs
JK> well, by women during their pregnancies.  THAT IS IN THE AREA Of CHEMICAL
JK> DEPENDENCY AND SOMETHING THATALL OF THE FANCY RESEARCHERS are ignoring!!!

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assistant: a
Is that true? Isn't it a shame what some people do to their bodies.. and even
worse of a shame is when it affecte mre then theirselves, their un-born
children.
system: You are Lettuce Head, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Sharyn Noakes about "Re: Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
SN> One thing I have found that can really catch my child's and my
SN> attention is the computer.

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assistant: You know, that is so weird. Me, and some of my other friends who have ADD
ave
almost been drawn towards computers like metal fileings toward a magnet. I
have always wondered why it is so... do you have any ideas?
system: You are Valerie Johnson, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Sharyn Noakes about "Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
SN> Hello Jane!
SN>
SN> In a message to Sharyn Noakes <04/13/98> Jane Kelley wrote:
SN>
JK> The VA does not recognize alcoholism as a disease.  It can't as the
JK> resulting  cost to the U.S. government for abuse of alcoholics would
JK> bankrupt this  nation.
SN>
SN> Since when???? 1979?  And to be honest I "never" said it did...all I
SN> said was my grandfather was chief of Staff of the VA in Los Angeles
SN>
JK> Whoopee on being a cerfified NA. And just how many hours did you spend
JK> sitting and listening to qualified folks lecture you on addiction and jus
JK> how many hours did you spend in doing internships in qualified treatment
JK> units before being turned loose?
SN>
SN> Perhaps not as many as you have my dear...but let's get real and get
SN> into the 90's.  How long has it been since you upgraded your R.N.
SN> degree????  Well since ADD is "NOT" an addiction then perhaps you are
SN> in the wrong Fido echo...perhaps you need to move to that echo and let
SN> those of us who have been dealing and researching ADD and Hyperactivety
SN> and meeting with support groups get on with what we are "more"
SN> knowledgeable about??? Hmmmmmm??????
SN>
SN> Look Jane...I realize and respect your age, however this is an echo to
SN> help and support...not "attack" as you have.  Take your medication and
SN> calm down and get with the picture here.
SN>
SN> Oh, by the way...the only reason I went to school to get my N.A. was a
SN> form of theropy...when my mother had a massive stroke at age 54 I had
SN> a difficult time with it...it seemed to help me to help others while
SN> the lazy R.N. gave injections. Oh...sorry, that was rather nasty, but
SN> it was true...N.A.'s did all the dirty work and also conversed more
SN> with the people who were sick.  We listened and consoled them...
SN>
SN> Sharyn
SN>
SN> SNoakes78@MCI2000.com
SN>
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SN>
SN> --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12
SN>  * Origin: Home Of TIMENET! FL. U.S.A. (352) 473-9472  (1:3601/78.0)
SN>

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assistant: sharyn I agree with you about jane. I think
we need a new moderator
system: You are Valerie Johnson, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
SN> Since when???? 1979?  And to be honest I "never" said it did...all
JK>
JK> You have just indicated your complete lack of understanding of this
JK> Therefore, you haven't got anything to say that I care to listen to on
JK> this subject.
JK>
SN> I said was my grandfather was chief of Staff of the VA in Los
SN> Angeles
JK>
JK> And one of mine was an attorney.  That and a dollar will get me a cup of
JK> coffee, nothing more.
JK>
SN> JK> how many hours did you spend in doing internships in qualified
SN> treatment
SN> JK> units before being turned loose?
JK>
SN> Perhaps not as many as you have my dear...but let's get real and get
SN> into the 90's.  How long has it been since you upgraded your R.N.
JK>
JK> I stopped doing nursing and specialized in addiction in 1979....have
JK> some chemical dependency nursing since then.  I have ad to take 30 hours
JK> of studies a year ever since.  That is at least one quarter of classes.
JK> The list now fills two typewritten pages, and the last all day seminar
JK> was in Februrary, on "Emotional Intelligence, Health & Relatioships".
JK> Most of what I took in nursing was given to someone at City College and
JK> then lost and that included all of the inservice I attended at Swedish
JK> Hospital in Seattle.
JK>
JK> Yesterday was the last time I was on the Internet, downloading such
JK> things as "Atomic images may offer new route to cure colds", "
JK> carry risk of false alarms" which I just may make a suppository of and
JK> place where the latest M.D. I've been to see might have to pay some
JK> attention to its contents, and "Mammogram readings faulted". Then there
JK> was something on a suicide prevention workshop for teens.  I'm working
JK> with one that is coming off crank. Ever try that?
JK>
SN> let those of us who have been dealing and researching ADD and
SN> Hyperactivety and meeting with support groups get on with what we are
JK>
JK> Got news for you, ADD and ADHD are linked to cocaine use, and other
JK> as well, by women during their pregnancies.  THAT IS IN THE AREA Of
JK> CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY AND SOMETHING THATALL OF THE FANCY RESEARCHERS are
JK> ignoring!!!
JK>
JK> And not asking the right questions about when the research is being
JK> done!!!
JK>
JK> Therefore, the research and its results are faulty.
JK>
JK> But go take some of the courses available in your own area on C.D. and
JK> find out what you think you already know.
JK>
JK> ---
JK>  * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA  (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255)
JK>

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assistant: issue.
one
ammograms
rugs
jane where did you get the dollar from in this message
system: You are Bob Moylan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Ritalin and NIMH".

They wrote:
SN> let those of us who have been dealing and researching ADD and
SN> Hyperactivety and meeting with support groups get on with what we are
JK> Got news for you, ADD and ADHD are linked to cocaine use, and other
JK> drugs as well, by women during their pregnancies.  THAT IS IN THE AREA
JK> Of CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY AND SOMETHING THATALL OF THE FANCY RESEARCHERS
JK> are ignoring!!!

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assistant: Jane Kelley (On 17 Apr 98) said this..? to Sharyn Noakes
 Once again Jane you show that you are poorly educated in what you
 claim to be your 'current' area of expertise.  You have just
 succeeded in labelling all women who have children with ADs as
 abusers of cocaine and 'other drugs'.  You really are an intolerant,
 narrow minded hold over from the days when when medical ignorance was
 the rule rather than the exception.
 It has been said to you, at a guess, more than 100 times that this is
 a support area for parents of children with ADs and for adults with
 ADs.  I, and I'd guess others, frankly don't give a damn what you
 think you know.  You demonstrate your ignorance of ADD/ADHD and
 arrogance with every post.
 The only reason some of us continue to respond to you is to keep
 newcomers from believing anything you say.  Frankly I think the only
 hard seat you have placed your backside on in the past 20 years is
 the one in your bathroom..which you must visit frequently.  Perhaps a
 self administered Fleets is in order.
... And how can this be?  For he IS the Kumquat Haagendaz!