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assistant: From: "Christine M. Faltz" <cmfaltz@panix.com>
Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
Hmmm, do I smell flame-bait or what? (grin).
Civil rights organizations have broad agendas, and the rights and
first-class citizenship of marginalized individuals are more than
opportunity and accessibility (education, jobs, training, technology) --
in fact, all of these are rendered more easily attainable by changed
perceptions and attitudes.  I don't think anyone believes we're going to
stop Disney from making this m ovie, but the idea that powerful, wealthy
corporations and/or individuals can do whatever they wish and should be
unopposed because it would be futile is simply defeatist and wrong.
Recent case in oint: tobacco industryl.  Not so recent: automakers -- does
the name Ralph Nader ring a bell?
Provoking thought and ebate about Mr. Magoo and the reinforcing of
stereotypes about the blind is far better than saying and doing nothing.
And of course it's very easy to use this issue to make blanket statements
about an organization of which you clearly are ill-informed.  The
convention agenda had plenty of job and technology items on it; and I had
numerous opportunities to discuss these issues at length at the
convention.  It's all connected, part of the same bundle.  The NAACp, the
Jewish Anti-Defamation League -- and similar groups have and still do
oppose media which portray stereotypes of their members.  We all can't be
happy all the time with the prioities a large organization makes, but to
become ad hominem and spew blanket generalizations because you disagree
with a particular policy is not going to resolve anything.  How about some
suggestions rather than name-calling and baiting?
Christine
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>
>
> I would like some fellow Federationist feedback on some concerns I am
> having with respect to the Mr. Magoo situation.  It has been my
> observation, and is historically so (as I have been remined by numerous
> friends and family members) that publicity and controversy of thisnature
> (threatened boycotts, etc) lead to a greater interest than might have
> otherwise exiwsted in the offending movie, song, commercial, book, etc.  I
> firmly believe we should oppose this movie, but I am uncertain as to the
> method we should employ to do so.  What do others think?
> My current musings center around the idea of picketing with posters that
> make analogous statements/proposals for mock movies that would potentially
> offend other groups.  There are obvious problems with this method, the
> main one being that we shouldn't have to potentially offend in order to
> demonstrate to others why this movie is insu.ting to the blind.
> Christine
>
>
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Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
Christine,
	I'm not certain of the best way to go about this.  For my part, I
am currently working on a folk song which will hopefully illuminate the
problem with this character.  It will be my plan to do a performance of
it in a master voice class, and explain what I'm getting at.  My hope
would be that this will increase the awareness at least here in Glendora,
of the problems with this character.  It is still in the extremely early
stages of development, and only has a chorus so far (which is itself
subject to minor grammatical changes).  When it is finished, however, I
will post it to this list along with a MIDI file of the tune to which I
wrote it.
Theresa.
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CF>I would like some fellow Federationist feedback on some concerns I
CF>am having with respect to the Mr. Magoo situation.  It has been my
CF>observation, and is historically so (as I have been remined by
CF>numerous friends and family members) that publicity and controversy
CF>of thisnature (threatened boycotts, etc) lead to a greater interest
CF>than might have otherwise exiwsted in the offending movie, song,
CF>commercial, book, etc.  I firmly believe we should oppose this
CF>movie, but I am uncertain as to the method we should employ to do
CF>so.  What do others think? My current musings center around the
CF>idea of picketing with posters that make analogous
CF>statements/proposals for mock movies that would potentially offend
CF>other groups.  There are obvious problems with this method, the
CF>main one being that we shouldn't have to potentially offend in
CF>order to demonstrate to others why this movie is insu.ting to the
CF>blind. Christine

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assistant: From: David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
Hi There:
I think you raise some good concerns.   While I have reservations about this
movie, unfortunately, we will look like hyper-sensative politically correct
zealots to most people.
Instead of picketing or boycotting, I think we should go to theaters and
hand out information about the capabilities of blind persons.  We should
make it a positive thing, not a negative thing.
David Andrews
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SK>I guess the nfb doesn't have the power anymore to work tord jobs,
SK>or technology. so they have to gripe about something  so people
SK>will think they are doing something.
SK>no matter how silly it is.
SK>i just wish they would find something they can win, instead of
SK>something they will surely fail on.
SK>it seems like it would be like me.
SK>apposing  coke or someething, they disney has enough money to drown
SK>the nfb. At 01:37 PM 7/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
SK>>Christine,
SK>>In my opinion, I think using the media is the best option.  We get
SK>>our message out to the press and we atleast increase the awareness
SK>>of Mr. Magoo's poor resemblence to the blind.  If Disney still
SK>>puts the movie out, at least the public may have an awareness why
SK>we disagree with them. >
SK>>I don't believe this is the only thing we should do, but I'm not
SK>>sure what else we should do at this point.
SK>>Later,
SK>>Keri
SK>--
SK>Shawn Keen
SK>orange@texas.net
SK>--http://www.eden.com/~orange
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assistant: From: David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
Your coment about NFB not having the power any more to help with jobs or
technology is laughable and petty.  We registered just under 3350 people at
our most recent convention and are undoubtedly the strongest force in the
blindness field.
You can get involved, if you disagree instead of taking pot shots from the
sidelines.
While it is a difficult situation, the portrayal of visually impaired
persons by Mr. Magoo isn't something that does any of us any good.  He is
bumbling and incompatent, and his only solution is to see again.
What is to be done, or how effective it is are complex matters.  However,
would you have us do nothing, and us is all of us as blind people, this
effects you too.
Part of the problem with jobs is people's attitudes about blindness.  My
boss wouldn't hire a Mr. Magoo, and that is the only visually impaired
person many people know.
David Andrews
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AB>Hi Shawn. I'm really torn about this one. I do agree that with a
AB>75% or higher unemployment rate among the blind, that the NFB could
AB>make better use of its resources. I shutter to think of all that
AB>PAC, SUN, and candy money going to fight Disney. However, I do
AB>remember my childhood. I wore thick glasses, and the other kids
AB>always called me Mr. Magoo, so it is true that people, especially
AB>children, are influenced by this kind of thing. I would hate to
AB>think of another generation of near sighted kids being called "Mr.
AB>Magoo". Andy Baracco

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assistant: From: David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
Andy:  Why is it that you think our unemployment rate is so high, which it
is.
I for one believe that it is in part because of negative stereotypes and
images that employers have.  I have been rejected for jobs by employers who
were afraid of me, who didn't understand how I would do things without
sight, etc.  Where do you think those notions come from.  They come from
literature, movies, TV, etc.
If the media portrayed all black people like Amos and Andy, as they did in
the 30's and 40's, do you think they would have made any progress in getting
ahead.  It, the Magoo thing, is an image that is outdated.
David Andrews
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SK>yeh, but i don't beleive that is going to change over a movie.
SK>kids are kids, and kids are going to be crewl.
SK>drugs are here, making stricter laws isn't going to change that.
SK>about 75% of teens have sex.
SK>sex education in school isn't going to make tthat go away.
SK>i just don't see wasting lots of money or this thing, is even going
SK>to make a difference.
SK>why doesn't the nfb go after microsoft.
SK>hell both have just about as much money.
SK>that is disney and ms.
SK>why not fight something thats going to improve our chances of using
SK>computers, and staying in the work force.
SK>/s
SK>At 03:21 PM 7/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
SK>>Hi Shawn. I'm really torn about this one. I do agree that with a
SK>>75% or higher unemployment rate among the blind, that the NFB
SK>>could make better use of its resources. I shutter to think of all
SK>>that PAC, SUN, and candy money going to fight Disney. However, I
SK>>do remember my childhood. I wore thick glasses, and the other kids
SK>>always called me Mr. Magoo, so it is true that people, especially
SK>>children, are influenced by this kind of thing. I would hate to
SK>>think of another generation of near sighted kids being called "Mr.
SK>Magoo". >
SK>>Andy Baracco
SK>--
SK>Shawn Keen
SK>orange@texas.net
SK>--http://www.eden.com/~orange
SK>--

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assistant: From: David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
While not perfect, Microsoft is actually doing quite a bit for blind
persons, and is improving.  I think it would be foolish to "go after them"
at this point.
Even if we had a raft of more accessible software, that wouldn't change
people's negative attitudes.  We have to fight descrimination on a bunch of
fronts at the same time.  There isn't just one answer.  It won't all be done
by computers, by legal cases, by public education, by protests, ..... etc.
etc. etc., but by a combination of all those things and more.
David Andrews
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SK>negative and full of hate.
SK>yeh we can all see that your a true nfb member.
SK>getting ticked cause someone dairs to dissagree with you.
SK>no wunder the nfb has lost  so much crreditability.
SK>At 05:58 PM 7/7/97 EDT, you wrote:
SK>>Apparently some people just don't get it.  I am concerned that my
SK>>daughter and her play mates will see the film, or even promos for
SK>>it, and draw conclusions about me and visually impaired people
SK>>because of how Mr. Magoo acts in the film.  I have endured taunts
SK>>like "he's like Magoo", when I was a child in a public school
SK>>classroom.  what about those blind children struggling for
SK>exceptance by their clasmates. >
SK>>I ran into a man in the elevator at convention who told me he was
SK>>ridiculed by a neighbor in his town, and called a "Mr. Magoo",
SK>>with all the bitterness and venum of someone who didn't like him
SK>>and was afraid of him because of his blindness.
SK>>I don't believe we can stop disney from putting out this film, but
SK>>the publicity we get from this may get people thinking about the
SK>issue. >
SK>>For those who think we don't have the "power" to help people with
SK>>getting jobs, and all the other things we do, I would say,
SK>>youmissed a great convention last week--full of positibe reports
SK>>of progress based on NFB's efforts.  Sory you are so negative and
SK>>full of hate. Your efforts would be better spent helping all of us.
SK>--
SK>Shawn Keen
SK>orange@texas.net
SK>--http://www.eden.com/~orange
SK>--

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assistant: From: David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
I thought his message to you was reasonable and polite.  You on the other
hand trot out the old argument that people can't disagree with us.
You have just thrown stones from the side, telling the NFB what it should
and shouldn't do.
David Andrews
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assistant: From: "Theresa (Contralto)" <contralto@cruznet2.cruznet.net>
Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
I see a problem with "handing out fliers and such in theaters.  People,
at least from what I know of myself and others, tend to ignore things
which they are just HANDED in public places.  That might work to an
extent, but that may come in as a problem.
Theresa
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Also, if you look at the folk-style music of the NFB, you will see that
it is filled with references to adequate employment.
Theresa
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Hi,
I think that fighting the Mr. Magoo movie is an important use of NFB's
resources.  Keep in mind that today's sighted and blind children are
tomorrow's potential employers and employees.  If a sighted or blind child
watches Mr. Magoo, and allows him/herself to be brainwashed against the
blind, then our potential employment and social opportunities will be
somewhat hampered unnecessarily.  We must do everything we can to try and
stop this ridiculous portrayal of blind people.  Regards.
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> Instead of picketing or boycotting, I think we should go to theaters and
> hand out information about the capabilities of blind persons.  We should
> make it a positive thing, not a negative thing.
>
> David Andrews

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On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, David Andrews wrote:
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O, good idea even if we do picket.  This way the local chapters could be
involved.  This is the way to go!
cyberspaced Barbie
barbie@pacifier.com
Barbara Freeman
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assistant: From: Richard Webb <elspider@interl.net>
Subject: >I'm not certain of the best way to go about this.  For my part, I
problem with this character.  It will be my plan to do a   >performance of it
in a master voice class, and explain what I'm   >getting at.  My hope would
be that this will increase the awareness   >at least here in Glendora, of the
problems with this character.  It   >is still in the extremely early stages
of development, and only has   >a chorus so far (which
If you like Theresa, it might be worthwhile to get a recording of it,
and send it to places such as npr.  I'll definitely take a look, and
contact you if it's something my basso profundo voice can handle, as
I've a small recording studio.
It might be worth getting out to such organizations as they, and
hopefully, they'd play the piece on something such as All Things
Considered or morning edition.  If you can find someone at your
college in a music recording class, maybe you could get them to record
the piece for you.
I'm sure you'd sound better singing it than I <grin>.  If not, I'd see
what I can do to find a female voice, or another voice to sing the
darn thing for you.
I don't know if I'd send the binary of the midi file to the list, as a
lot of folks still get this list as a fidonet conference, and Fidonet
doesn't really like routing binaries through their message backbone,
but if you send the midi file to me, and to Dandrews@vici.com, David
could maybe zip it up with the text file of the lyrics and make it
available for download on nfbnet, the bbs where this listserv
originates.
How 'bout it, David?  Would that be better than sending the binary to
the list as a whole?  Not sure what Fido policy is these days, as I've
been out of Fidonet for a little over a year.
Regards,
Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
Library music, voice-overs, jingles, demos, music-on-hold.
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I thought this might be of interest to some of you.
"Out of many''''one people."
We give of ourselves to share with each other.
we receive from each other to empower ourselves.
Blessed be the Almighty who blesses His people.
Julie, AKA Magnolia in New York.
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Subject: NFB Banquet Live on the Internet
     For the first time, the National Federation of the Blind
will offer its annual convention banquet, live on the Internet
via a Real Audio data stream.  You will need real audio software,
or a browser with Real Audio built in, such as Microsoft Internet
Explorer or PW Webspeak to hear it.
     The banquet will be held in New Orleans on Friday Evening,
July 4, 1997.  It starts at 7:00 p.m. and the banquet address,
which this year will be from Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, President
Emeritus of the NFB, should start at between 8:30 and 9:00 p.m.
central daylight time.
     The URL to hear the address is:
http://audio.grit.net/grit.ram
If you do not have the Real Audio software, you can download it
from the following URL:
http://www.grit.net/nfb.html
The software is shareware and the software you download is easy
to install and use, and immediately available.
See you on the Internet.
David Andrews
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assistant: Hi Shawn,
      I couldn't agree with you more in your ccomments regarding the NFB's
reaction to Mr. Magoo cartoons.
      If, as the NFB suggested through its participation in the recent
meeting of the World Blind Union,held in my country last year, the
organization is truly interested in "cChanging What it Means to be Blind,"
it's time for a reality check.  Those cartoons represent highly exagerated
behaviour.  Theyt were very popular when Iwas a child, but I don't ever
recall them having a detrimental effect on me as a blind person.  I think
almost forty-five years of experience gives me at least some right to make
      such a claim.
      If the NFB really has an interest in working with blind people in other
countries, that sure isn't the way to do it.
... I only counted 100 dalmatians...!!!
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Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
If Disney wouldn't be phased by the Southern Baptists, what makes you
think they'll listen to the NFB?