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user: You are replying to John Boone about "Fuzzy Logic".

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>>> John Boone on Fuzzy Logic
WE> Hm.  Can you also archive it in a file?  May be useful for
WE> inclusion in subsequent discussion.
JB> Yep, but would require me to type and save with some sort
JB> of editor.
WE>  WE> First there is fuzzy set theory in which a set is an
WE>  WE> assignment of a degree of belonging to each element.  For
WE>  WE> simplicity, elements are consider to be distinct from sets.
WE>  WE>  The second notion is fuzzy logic or multi-value logic
WE>  WE> which assigns multiple truth values to statements.
WE>  JB> Yes, but I do believe they are related.   For example,
WE>  JB> when I examine a system of statements, I often use set
WE>  JB> theory to help me.
WE> Yes they are.  The non-fuzzy propositional 'and', 'or', 'not', and
WE> 'implies' are in parallel with the set multiplication, addition,
WE> complimentation and inclusion.  not(x or y) = notx and noty
WE> or -(x + y) = (-x) * (-y) is true for both sets and
WE> propositions.  Indeed, the duality theorem of set theory is
WE> a rerun of the duality theorem for the propositional
WE> calculus.  However note the difference.  Logic will go into
WE> (x)P and (Ex)P while sets are concerned about x e A.  For
JB>
JB> Not sure what you mean by (x)P and (Ex)P??????
WE> all x P, there exists a x such that P, x is a member of A.
WE> Here we see divergence.
JB> Are these set statements or propositional statements?
JB> At points such as "x is a member of A" reminds me of
JB> set theory, while "For all x P", leaves me wondering what
JB> P is (the set of Propositional statements)?

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assistant: Shouldn't.  BlueWave offline reader has a save to file feature.  My
communication software has a screen capture feature.  If you're using windows
you ought to be able to cut and paste a whole message.  Additionally, BBS
read messages software may allow a download of messages but this may be
little different than having offline message reading software.
Let P be the statement (x is weird).  Then (x)(x is weird) is 'all is weird'
and (Ex)(x is weird) is 'something is weird', or formally 'for all x, x is
weird' and 'there exists an x such that x is weird'.  Note that (x)P is
equivalent to not (Ex)(not P) and (Ex)P is equivalent to not (x)(not P).
Perhaps I should write P(x) for 'x has the property P', 'P is true for x',
etc.  Then (x)P(x) is 'for all x, P is true of x'.
They are quantifiers in the sense that 'for all', and 'there exists' quantify
how many.  Another quantifier in use is (E!x)P 'there exists exactly one x
such that P'.  These are logical statements.  They are not part of
propositional calculus, they are included in an extension called quantifier
calculus.  P or actually P(x) is a property of x such as 'blue' or 'x is
blue'.  When you take a thing, a, and apply a property P to a, just as with a
function, you get P(a) which is a statement (about a).  This statement is
true or false according to whether a has the property P or not.
... I think, therefore the universe thinks.