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system: You are Shawn Keen, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Nfb Blind News message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS".

They wrote:
>
>
>On 1997-07-07 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
> NF>I would like some fellow Federationist feedback on some
>concerns I
> NF>am having with respect to the Mr. Magoo situation.  It has been
>my
> NF>observation, and is historically so (as I have been remined by
> NF>numerous friends and family members) that publicity and
>controversy
> NF>of thisnature (threatened boycotts, etc) lead to a greater
>interest
> NF>than might have otherwise exiwsted in the offending movie,
>song,
> NF>commercial, book, etc.
>This is also my opinion.  I agree that the Magoo image is poor
>and that we should oppose it.  However, like Dr. Jernigan said in
>his banquet speech, sometimes we have to pick our battles, and I
>think we should get our picketing priorities straight.  If we
>need to picket something it should be something more important.
>For instance the large corporations with the funds and
>wherewithal to employ and adapt facilities for blind persons but
>do not.
>
>Or the Lighthouses and other such industries that lay off blind
>people but keep sighted workers as was the case here in New
>Orleans in 1991.  After all, what is more important, opposing Mr.
>Magoo or getting blind persons jobs?
>
>In this case, we aren't going to stop Disney from making the film
>and I feel that the more attention we call to it the more
>interest it will spark.
>
>A classic example is the low budget film, "The Last Temptation of
>Christ," which probably would have gone nowhere had the Christian
>element not called so much attention to it.
>
>Harvey
>
>
>
>

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assistant: From: shawn keen <orange@texas.net>
Subject: Re: MR. MAGOO CONCERNS
amen
At 05:50 AM 7/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
Shawn Keen
orange@texas.net
www.eden.com/~orange
"love isn't blind, but the braille sure is fun."
system: You are Tom Scanlan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Nfb Blind News message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ron Smith about "Re: Fight Magoo on the Internet".

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assistant: Yes, let's talk about employment -- and Magoo.  I don't know your age, so you
may not be old enough to remember Magoo.  I am.  So are the executives in
their 40's and 50's who are making lots of hiring and promotion decisions.
Magoo reenforces all the sterotypes and misconceptions about blindness,
expecially that blind people are out-of-touch and not too smart.  That bears
directly on someone's attitude toward hiring blind people.
Employment does not exit in a vacum.  You can't work on employment without
dealing with the underlying attitudes employers have.  You are kidding
yourself if you think you can.
So, ignore Magoo at your own peril.  And if you really think it a problem
only for "partials," then you really haven't considered the attitudes of
employers.
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assistant: From: Mary Shandrow <mshandro@henge1.henge.com>
Subject: Re: Fight Magoo on the Internet
I do not think that anything that insults the blind whether they be
partially sighted or not is a waste of time.  As it has previously been
pointed out on the list, today's children are tomorrow employers.  If we
don't fight this now, then the problems of employment for the blind will
be even bigger than they are now.
There is a pretty good chance that I may have a blind child, and I do not
wnt him or her to live with the amount of ignorance that her father and I
have dealt with.  I say that if the NFB can make it better forblind people
now, and in the future by fighting this Magoo thing, then I say two
things.  First, GO FOR IT!!! Second, Is there anything I can do to help?
system: You are Harvey Heagy, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Nfb Blind News message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Tom Scanlan about "Re: Fight Magoo on the Internet".

They wrote:
TS> Yes, let's talk about employment -- and Magoo.  I don't know your age,
TS> you may not be old enough to remember Magoo.  I am.  So are the
TS> in their 40's and 50's who are making lots of hiring and promotion
TS> decisions.
TS> Magoo reenforces all the sterotypes and misconceptions about blindness,
TS> expecially that blind people are out-of-touch and not too smart.

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assistant: In a message Tom Scanlan typed to Ron Smith
so
executives
That may be true, but what the N.F.B. has largely overlooked is that we have
our own live version of Mr. Magoo namely Tom Sullivan.  He has made an entire
career of making money off the stereotypes about blind persons under the
guise of "laughing at ourselves."  If this is true, then we are really like
this and the stereotypes about us are really true and we should admit it.  He
has also flaunted his blindness on talk shows and during interviews when he
could just answer the questions as they are put to him and he never misses an
opportunity not only to flaunt his blindness but to interject some old myth
or stereotype about us.  that contemptable book and later movie, "if you
could see what I hear," is a classic example.  Yet the N.F.B. was relatively
quiet about that.
Also, Betty White, a prominent actress has been singing his praises to the
media and the general public about what a positive image he portrays of blind
people.  This hurts us much worse than a cartoon character and yet we were
relatively quiet about all that.
And recently, the A.F.B. gave him their Helen Keller award as a positive role
model for blind persons which shows that we have a long way to go in mending
fences with the A.F.B.
Harvey
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user: You are replying to All about "Re: Fight Magoo on the Internet".

They wrote:
>
>
> Yes, let's talk about employment -- and Magoo.  I don't know your age, so
>
> Magoo reenforces all the sterotypes and misconceptions about blindness,
>
> Employment does not exit in a vacum.  You can't work on employment without
>
> So, ignore Magoo at your own peril.  And if you really think it a problem
>
>

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assistant: From: Andy Baracco <abaracco@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Fight Magoo on the Internet
Oh Christ!, Tom, give me a break! I really think that executives have alot
more on their minds than Mr. Magoo when they make hiring decisions. I
really think that the NFB has lost perspective on this one. Or maybe they
haven't. After all, it has garnered and will continue to garner a fair
amount of free publicity. But, in the long run, is it the kind of
publicity that we want. Do we want to be taken seriously, or do we want to
be considered a bunch of crackpots?
Andy Baracco
On 31 Jul 1997, Tom Scanlan wrote:
you may not be old enough to remember Magoo.  I am.  So are the executives in
their 40's and 50's who are making lots of hiring and promotion decisions.
expecially that blind people are out-of-touch and not too smart.  That bears
directly on someone's attitude toward hiring blind people.
dealing with the underlying attitudes employers have.  You are kidding
yourself if you think you can.
only for "partials," then you really haven't considered the attitudes of
employers.
system: You are Andy Baracco, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Nfb Blind News message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Re: Fight Magoo on the Internet".

They wrote:
>
>
> I do not think that anything that insults the blind whether they be
> partially sighted or not is a waste of time.  As it has previously been
> pointed out on the list, today's children are tomorrow employers.  If we
> don't fight this now, then the problems of employment for the blind will
> be even bigger than they are now.
>
> There is a pretty good chance that I may have a blind child, and I do not
> wnt him or her to live with the amount of ignorance that her father and I
> have dealt with.  I say that if the NFB can make it better forblind people
> now, and in the future by fighting this Magoo thing, then I say two
> things.  First, GO FOR IT!!! Second, Is there anything I can do to help?
>
>
>
>
>

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assistant: From: Andy Baracco <abaracco@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Fight Magoo on the Internet
I am Italian, and a Roman Catholic. All of my life, I have had to listen
to Mafia jokes and jokes about the Pope. You just have to get past it and
go on. What ever happened to  "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but
names will never hurt me?.
 On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Mary Shandrow wrote:
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user: You are replying to All about "Re: Sambos restaurant".

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assistant: From: Andy Baracco <abaracco@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Sambos restaurant
Yes, I remember Sambo's well. It was one of my regular haunts when I lived
in San Jose. It was sad that because of a symbol, a thriving business
concern bit the dust. They changed the symbol to a neutral colored Sambo,
and renamed him Little Brave Sambo, but by then the damage was already
done.
Andy Baracco
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assistant: From: "Melvin Lumbardy" <chief@crown.NET>
Subject: Sambos restaurant
Hi Everyone,
Does anyone remember  Sambo's restaurants? I seem to remember that
they went out of business largely due to the fact of the black
population not liking the reference to "Little black Sambo"
Deb
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user: You are replying to All about "Re: Sambos restaurant".

They wrote:
DL>Priority: normal
DL>X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40)
DL>Hi Everyone,
DL>Does anyone remember  Sambo's restaurants? I seem to remember that
DL>they went out of business largely due to the fact of the black
DL>population not liking the reference to "Little black Sambo"
DL>Deb

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assistant: From: David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Subject: Re: Sambos restaurant
Actually, I think Sambo's became Denny's which has had its own share of race
relations and descrimination problems.
David Andrews
On 1997-08-01 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com)
or BBS: Fidonet 1:282/1045 (612) 696-1975
Net-Tamer V 1.09  - Registered
system: You are "Melvin Lumbardy", a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Nfb Blind News message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Re: Sambos restaurant".

They wrote:
DL>Priority: normal
DL>X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40)
DL>Hi Everyone,
DL>Does anyone remember  Sambo's restaurants? I seem to remember that
DL>they went out of business largely due to the fact of the black
DL>population not liking the reference to "Little black Sambo"
DL>Deb

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assistant: From: "Melvin Lumbardy" <chief@crown.NET>
Subject: Re: Sambos restaurant
From:          David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Date:          Fri, 01 Aug 1997 08:37:23 -0700
X-To:          NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org
Subject:       Re: Sambos restaurant
To:            NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org (Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk
Mailing List)
Reply-to:      NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org (Multiple recipients of NFBnet NFB-Talk
Mailing List)
Hi David,
Thanks for clearing me upn the Sambos thing. I know it happened a
very long time ago and wasnt exactly sure what happened. And yes
Dennys has had its problems.
Deb
Actually, I think Sambo's became Denny's which has had its own share of race
relations and descrimination problems.
David Andrews
On 1997-08-01 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com)
or BBS: Fidonet 1:282/1045 (612) 696-1975
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user: You are replying to All about "Re: Sambos restaurant".

They wrote:
NF>Thanks for clearing me up the Sambos thing. I know it happened
NF>very long time ago and wasn't exactly sure what happened. And
NF>Dennys has had its problems.
NF>Deb

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assistant: From: hheagy@delphi.com
Subject: Re: Sambos restaurant
On 1997-08-01 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
a
yes
Actually, Denny's and Sambo's were 2 separate chains although
they may have had the same corporate owner.  I remember my
parents stopping at a Sambo's in LaFayette La. on the way to New
Orleans from Houston and there were also Denny's restaurants in
the area.  I don't know the story behind Sambo's bankruptcy, but
I think they were two entirely separate chains.
Harvey
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assistant: From: Pete Donahue <pdonahue@texas.net>
Subject: Re: Sambos restaurant
Hello Deb and listers,
We had some Sambo's Restaurants in Massachusetts where I am from.  Mary
told me that there were some in Wisconsin as well.  Mary is not sure what
happened to their restaurants in Wisconsin, but in massachusetts the chain
changed the name to Family Sam's, and as fqar as I know they are still in
business; at least in New England.
Peter Donahue
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assistant: From: Andy Baracco <abaracco@netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Sambos restaurant
Actually, Sambo's declared bankruptsy and closed the business. Many of the
locations were sold to other restaurant chains. No one chain bought all of
the Sambo's locations. Again, a sad story, as Sambo's put out a reasonably
good product at a reasonable price.
Andy Baracco
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user: You are replying to All about "A Question of Security".

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assistant: From: "George Cassell" <g.cassell@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: A Question of Security
I need your advice.  I'm legally blind, and I'm very concerned about
security (both home and personal).
Where I live, it is legal to own and use a gun in self-defense in one's
home.
But one may not carry it on one's person outside the house without a
permit, which is almost never issued.
I live alone, and nobody should or would ever be in my home at night,
unless that person broke in.
So, the question is, should a blind or legally blind person own and/or use
a gun for personal protection / self-defense in the home?  If not, how
should we protect ourselves?  And PLEASE, don't say "Dial 9-1-1."  That's
like saying "Just die and accept it."  No thanks.
-- George
Life is what you make of it.  Make the best of it!
"Failure is not an option."  -- Apollo 13, Mission Control
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They wrote:
GK>I need your advice.  I'm legally blind, and I'm very concerned about
GK>security (both home and personal).
GK>Where I live, it is legal to own and use a gun in self-defense in
GK>one's home.
GK>But one may not carry it on one's person outside the house without a
GK>permit, which is almost never issued.
GK>I live alone, and nobody should or would ever be in my home at
GK>night, unless that person broke in.
GK>So, the question is, should a blind or legally blind person own
GK>and/or use a gun for personal protection / self-defense in the
GK>home?  If not, how should we protect ourselves?  And PLEASE, don't
GK>say "Dial 9-1-1."  That's like saying "Just die and accept it."  No
GK>thanks. -- George
GK>Life is what you make of it.  Make the best of it!
GK>"Failure is not an option."  -- Apollo 13, Mission Control

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assistant: From: David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Subject: Re: A Question of Security
Whether a blind person should own a gun or not, seems to me to be a personal
decision.  I personally wouldn't do so.  If I go and shoot "blindly" no pun
intended, then I might get myself in bigger trouble then if I didn't.  It
would seem wiser to me to spend my money on making my home secure in other
ways, or by moving to a safer neighborhood.
David Andrews
On 1997-08-01 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said:
David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com)
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assistant: From: "Christine M. Faltz" <cmfaltz@panix.com>
Subject: Re: A Question of Security
George, why are you so concerned about your security?  Do you live in a
high-crime area?  Have you been threatened/assaulted?  Or is it a general
fear?
When you say "legally blind" what do you mean?  Would you be able to hit a
target with a gun using your vision?  If not, a gun is not advisable --
aside from the fact that if it is gotten away from you -- very possible
and probable if you are surprised by more than one hoodlum -- you are
pretty much dead.
What about a  Model Mugging course?  They teach you up close and personal
self-defense that works wonderfully if you can't retreat or want to injure
and attept retreat -- and if you want to do worse.  In fact, there is a
group in California called Blind Ambition which runs classes with
one-on-one instruction for blind people.  I don't know if they've got a
course in your area, but if you're interested, drop me a line and iI'll
find their e-mail address for you.
In the long-term, you could consider aikido, judo or jujitsu, all of which
are mostly or completely doable by blind people.  In Model Mugging
courses, the assailant dresses in a protective suit and "attacks" you,
enabling you to go all out so that the instructor can assess your ability
to protect yourself in a real-life situation.
Christine
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user: You are replying to Andy Baracco about "Re: Sambos restaurant".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting Andy Baracco to All <=-
AB> lived in San Jose. It was sad that because of a symbol, a thriving
AB> business concern bit the dust. They changed the symbol to a neutral
AB> colored Sambo, and renamed him Little Brave Sambo, but by then the
AB> damage was already done.

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assistant: Andy,
Part of being a smart business person is to have a good handle on what
symbols to use and not to use.  Sambo's blew it.
By the way, in an earlier message someone noted that executives were smart
enough not to be swayed by stereotypes and the like.  How, then, does
one explain the fact that when I was looking for a job, one company told
me outright that they did not have a staff member to get me to and from
the bathroom.  The company for which I eventually worked expressed a
preference that I not use the escalator.  If you care, I am sure others
on this list will verify that I am a good traveler, so it is unlikely
not to have been my travel skills.  It was the stereotypes.
Secondly, nobody says much about this, but what message is conveyed by
our silence.  Silence says it's okay.  When considering the pros and
cons of what to say, we must also consider those of silence as well.  I
think we had to say something, even if it doesn't seem to change
anything, because saying nothing would have been taking a step back.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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assistant: From: David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com>
Subject: Wall Street Journal Article
Here is an article which appeared in a recent Wall Street Journal.
David Andrews
                     The Wall Street Journal
          Copyright (c) 1997, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
                     Thursday, July 31, 1997
  The Vision Thing: Mr. Magoo Watches U.S. Cultural History And
Struggles to Adapt
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assistant: Of course hiring executives have more than blindness on their minds when they
interview a blind person.  But if you don't think their images,
misconceptions, and sterotypes don't enter into hiring decision, then you
have never sat on either side of the table.  I have sat on both sides, and it
is more fun on the hiring side.
Magoo has and will influence these executives.  If it "crackpot" to try to
prevent the reinforcement of sterotypes and misconceptions about blindness,
then I plead quilty.  But I'm not going to just sit around and whine about it
or try to agnore it.  I prefer to DO something.  I have posted to the
alt.disney newsgroup.  So far, I feel very lonely out there.
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user: You are replying to Harvey Heagy about "blindham needs help".

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assistant: Harvey, I'm not familliar with the Kennwood ts870 although I believe
its predecessor rig the ts850 is a much more blind friendly rig to
operate.  The vs3 speech synthesizer works on the 870 and I don't know
how much information it reads on the display.  The 850 not only gives
you the frequency but when you push the speech button at the same time
you turn on the rig, the majority of the function buttons give you
information in morse code.  73- KK3F
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user: You are replying to Warren Figgueredo about "napub dues and other things".

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assistant: Warren, back in June, I sent you my napub dues and I was wondering if
you got the money for the restaurant guide.