system: You are Jay Emrie, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Automotive message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Logsdon about "Battery sizes".

They wrote:
ML>JE> ML>I believe the idea is to use the running car (let's call it car A)
ML>JE> ML>to do some charging of the low battery (on car B) for a few
ML>JE> ML>Then after some charging, turn off car A's engine, leave the cables
ML>JE> ML>connected, and try to start car B.  The idea is to use ONLY car A's
ML>JE> ML>battery and car B's battery and NOT to use car A's alternator.
ML>JE> ML>Otherwise during starting of car B, you might draw too much current
ML>JE> ML>through the diodes in car A's alternator and cause a failure.  I've
ML>JE> ML>never seen it happen, but that's the prevailing wisdom.
ML>JE>
ML>JE> Mark, I don't think your analogy will float. I've been there and done
ML>JE> that. Tried to jumper a car with a dead battery. The jumper cables got
ML>JE> too hot to touch in just seconds. Turned out the car battery that was
ML>JE> "dead" actually had a direct INTERNAL short. Didn't affect my battery
ML>JE> alternator one iota (that a bit of recharging didn't correct).
ML>What analogy?  All I'm stating is what I've read as the conventional
ML>wisdom nowadays.  I've been there and done that many times myself,
ML>and like you I've never had a problem.  On the other hand, why not
ML>be safe rather than sorry and do the starting with the engine off?
ML>Consider the situation.  You install your jumper cables on the dead
ML>battery while your engine is running.  The voltage immediately drops
ML>across your good battery since it is now supplying current to the
ML>dead battery.  The alternator begins to supply more current since it
ML>senses the lower voltage.  This is heating the diodes in the
ML>alternator.
ML>Next you try to start the dead car, further more increasing the load
ML>and the current out of the good battery.  That causes another
ML>voltage drop and even more current out of the alternator.  By this
ML>time the alternator is probably delivering about as much current as
ML>it possibly can.  Will you fail the diodes?  Probably not, but if
ML>they're degraded and near failure, this might be the straw that
ML>breaks the camel's back.
ML>As I said, I usually do jump a dead battery with my engine running,
ML>so I seldom follow this advice.  Obviously I don't believe it is
ML>such a serious scenario as has been described.  I'm just relaying
ML>what seems to be the conventional wisdom.
ML>However, I'm amazed at the number of people who insist that this
ML>scenario "just can't be possible" because they've not damaged their
ML>alternators.  I wonder if these same people would conclude that a
ML>drunk driver moving at 100 mph is safe just because they once
ML>survived such a trip with such a driver.
ML>Here is one final note on the subject of jumping batteries.  There
ML>is a second potential problem and it is OVERSHOOT.  When the second
ML>car starts, its alternator immediately provides some current.  If
ML>the first car's voltage regulator cannot react quickly enough, then
ML>it can momentarily supply too much current and cause a large voltage
ML>overshoot.  This high voltage can damage some sensitive electronic
ML>components.

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assistant: inutes.
Neither do I believe it. I have been involved in jumpering cars for
about 65 years (starting with watching my Dad do it when I was about 7).
At the time, it was generators and 6V batteries. Since the advent of
Alternators and 12V batteries I've jumpered many many cars, almost
always leaving my engine running AT HIGHER THAN IDLE so as to ensure max
output from the alternator. So far (knock on wood) I haven't clobbered
an alternator. Far be it from me to say it is NOT possible, just that
either I have been extremely lucky or the chances are rather remote.
Guess I've never had that happen either.
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