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system: You are Jeff Richter, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Attention/behavioral Diso".

They wrote:
> Punishment doesn't cure disease, no matter what the problem
> is.  Find a
> medical person you can trust and go from there to find a
> therapist that
> can work with the entire family.

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assistant: he is currently seeing a Child Psychiatrist. We have found out what his
problem is. We had a staffing with the school, and they did some tests. He is
extremely bright in reading, but his comprehension is not so good. He tends
to daydream often. He is now working in a special class that he loves. He
still attends the same classroom, but has teachers sit with him one on one in
certain subjects. The results are indeed a big relief. I think he has a hard
time paying attention with alot of distractions. I will work with him on
hat.
 Thankyou for the advise. I believe family counseling would be a big help
also. We are getting ready to go to Germany in March, and I think this will
bring us all together because we will experience another culture with each
other. I am really excited for this. TTYS
                                          Jeff
system: You are Bernie Crowley, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Bob Moylan about "That Kelley person...".

They wrote:
BM> Hey Mark...
BM> I'd twitted this person out but a response you made to something she
BM> had written caused me to turn her on again...what do I see but yet
BM> Back to the twit file she goes ... she's just to tiresome to bother
BM> with.  I wish you success in educating her but you've heard, I'm sure

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assistant: Bob,
      Are you moderator of this echo, or is it that JK, the person to
 whom you refer, is a user on your system?
                  -Bernie-
system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Caffine".

They wrote:
JK>MP>Try the NE Journal of Medicine for February 3, 1994. You could
JK>MP>also read the extensive editorial vis-a-vis ADHD and the citation
JK>MP>from both the study and the editorial. I have. Every single one of
JK>MP>them.
JK>There are three of four journals for addiction which you have yet to
JK>find let alone open.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: JANE KELLEY was thinking about Caffine and keyed into cyberspace:
What has been written in the leading medical journals vis-a-vis ADHD is
absolutely valid. While you fear *causing* addiction in children by the
use of pharmacotherapy, the reality of it is that the failure to
adequately treat ADHD with the necessary pharmacotherapy, and adjunctive
behavior modification, counselling, etc., leads to these people seeking
"self-medication" albeit caffeine, pseuodephedrine, or the illicit use
of drugs.
Thus, proper medical management of the underlying ADHD often *cures* the
drug abuse, as there is no need to further self treat. This is fairly
well established.
So, if you cannot accept the NEJM or JAMA, there is little point in
trying to persuade you.
However, since I know that your agenda is inherently dangerous to
children, I will do everything to make certain that you are continuously
refuted.
              email at MSProbert@aol.com
system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Sugar".

They wrote:
JK>ADHD children and adults also can benefit from adrenaline stimulation
JK>as a treament for their symptoms.  The physical and emotional
JK>challenges may include sports and games, and stimulating books and
JK>movies, but may also include several periods of strenouous to
JK>moderate exercise daily, depending upon the physical fitness of the
JK>patient.  Physical work- especially when done out of doors, also
JK>stimulates the serotonergic system.
JK>Sunlight is a wonderful stimulator of serotonergic activity.  both
JK>children and adults with these disorders will feel more comfortable
JK>and experience less symptomatology with moderate daily exposure to
JK>sunlight.
JK>I've got papers by Kenneth Blume, Terry Nehr and others who have done
JK>the research on addiction and anything connected to it.
JK>The result?  Build up the supply of neurotransmitters that the
JK>children of addicts do not get at birth and avoid most of the
JK>problems they will develop otherwise.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: JANE KELLEY was thinking about Sugar and keyed into cyberspace:
This is also recommended by Hallowell and Ratey, as well as Barkley. You
know who they are?
This claim requires documentation. Document it.
It is Kenneth Blum, not Blume. Blum is a geneticist.
This is not the cause of the ADHD. ADHD is caused by genetic anomalies.
THe research at this time does not show if it is lack of
neurotransmitters or just an inefficient use of them. Thus "building up
the supply" may not make any difference.
              email at MSProbert@aol.com
system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Moderator about "Article Posting".

They wrote:
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: Are there any rules about posting articles?
              email at MSProbert@aol.com
system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Bob Moylan about "For your info...".

They wrote:
BM>ADULT ADD--The Complete Handbook: Everything You Need to Know
BM>About How to Cope and Live Well with ADD/ADHD
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: BOB MOYLAN was thinking about For your info... and keyed into
cyberspace:
Just to let you know, this book got pretty well trashed by many who
write in alt.support.attn-deficit.
Seems the authors are very prolific and like to write the "book of the
month", depending on what's selling.
              email at MSProbert@aol.com
system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Re: Adhd....76".

They wrote:
JK>RF> JK> For more information, call Mickey Nall at the American
JK>RF> JK> Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, 202/966-7300.
JK>RF> And most supplement labels I have every read tells you not to
JK>RF> give it to children, which usually includes the fact that not
JK>RF> enough research has been done on them.
JK>Labels on what?
JK>  So how does that help a parent?  So what do you do,
JK>RF> go to a nutritionist who makes your child into a guinea pig for
JK>RF> the purpose of finding truth?
JK>Since your doctor doesn't study nutrition, you'd best find someone
JK>who has to advise you.  There is no making any kid into a guinea pig
JK>when you work with someone who knows exactly what they are talking
JK>about.
JK>Those who are into remedial diet these days are the Ph.D.s  who are
JK>into the research.  They also publish papers.
JK> I have read about the other drug for high
JK>RF> blood pressure showing proof that it works without the high side
JK>RF> effects of Ritalin.  This I am in an agreement with you.  I do
JK>RF> know that diet can play a role in our lives, but how much it can
JK>RF> reverse certain problems, diseases, or behavior just has not been
JK>RF> researched enough or proven.
JK>It will not reverse a genetic problem.  It can make this problem a
JK>lot easier to deal with on a daily basis.
JK>You have a choice.   You can either find out what I am saying or take
JK>your chances that the child will go to its peer group for a fast fix
JK>of whatever brain chemistry it finds objectionable to it.
JK>And there are plenty of choices out there as well as those handed to
JK>folks by doctors.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: JANE KELLEY was thinking about Re: Adhd....76 and keyed into cyberspace:
Labels on the jars, cans and bottles that the supplements come in. You
know, round things, with tops on them.
Of course that assumes they they have any medical research to back up
their claims and we know that there is no real medical research.
No, they print papers. Medical journals which are peer reviewed PUBLISH
papers. Heck, there is even one company that did its own research that
will sell you the proof.
Well, since ADHD is a genetic problem, I am glad to see that you agree
that it cannot be reversed. Diet affecting ADHD, pro or con, has been
debunked.
Absolutely, that is why proven treatment is so important. Herbs, potions
and brews are not proven treatment.
Of course, your choice is between what works (from doctors) and what
does not work (from charlatans.)
              email at MSProbert@aol.com
system: You are Mark Probert, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Caffine".

They wrote:
JK>TC>I agree whole heartedly.  To see children overweight and eating
JK>TC>candy, ice cream, or some cereals makes me sad.  I do monitor
JK>TC>my children's consumption of sugar products.  For snacks, I
JK>TC>let them eat cheese, or bananas, or apples.
JK>Sugar in children with family history of low blood sugar will just
JK>lead to problems with the kids self medicating later on with drugs.
===>Mark Probert<===

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assistant: JANE KELLEY was thinking about Caffine and keyed into cyberspace:
Of course it will. Sure. You said it, you prove it.
              email at MSProbert@aol.com
system: You are Bob Moylan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Bernie Crowley about "That Kelley person...".

They wrote:
BC>       Are you moderator of this echo, or is it that JK, the person to
BC>  whom you refer, is a user on your system?

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assistant: Bernie Crowley On (04 Dec 96) was overheard to say to Bob Moylan
 Hello Bernie:
 Neither actually.  Butch Walker is the moderator here; you won't see
 much from him in the echo, he's a netmail kinda guy...
 I've just twitted her on my system, all that means is that the
 software deletes anything with her name in the FROM line so I don't
 see it and get heartburn... 8-)
 Bob
... Artificial Intelligence: The other guy's opinion.
system: You are Jane Kelley, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jerry Schwartz about "Adhd....76".

They wrote:
JS>Cows don't get their protein or iron from red meat, either: so what?  I
JS>that if you cannot obtain some essential nutrients from the most obvious
JS>source, that you need to seek out other sources; but that's a far cry from
JS>saying that every ill can be cured by "supplements" which in some vague
JS>are different from medications.  So far as I can see, the only difference
JS>the purity: medications are at least supposed to be exactly what they
JS>to be with regard to active ingredient and dosage, whereas supplements are
JS>rather catch as catch can by comparison.

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assistant: agre
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is
purpor
Really?  That is news to the Schiff Company and other large
pharmaceutical firms that make them.  I suggest that you find our what
you think you know about all of this and then get back to me.
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system: You are Jane Kelley, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jeff Richter about "Attention/behavioral Diso".

They wrote:
JR>extremely bright in reading, but his comprehension is not so good. He
JR>to daydream often. He is now working in a special class that he loves. He
JR>still attends the same classroom, but has teachers sit with him one on one
JR>certain subjects. The results are indeed a big relief. I think he has a
JR>time paying attention with alot of distractions. I will work with him on
JR>that.
JR> Thankyou for the advise. I believe family counseling would be a big help
JR>also. We are getting ready to go to Germany in March, and I think this
JR>bring us all together because we will experience another culture with each
JR>other. I am really excited for this. TTYS

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hard
Sounds as though you are getting a handle on it.
ill
Depends upon the therapist again.  Some are wonderful and then there are
others.
There are cultures that have substitutes for this which have worked for
years.  You may find that Europe provides some things which we don't
have here.
Good luck.
 * SLMR 2.1a * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a
system: You are Jane Kelley, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "Re: Adhd....76".

They wrote:
RF>I am sure you are a well meaning person to point out to me about what
RF>you seem to believe a connection between disorders and alcohol and diets.
RF>I for one have not seen nor believe it.  I am asking you to please stop
RF>posting to me about it as we seem to not be getting anywhere with this.

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assistant: And I suggest that before you stop someone from learning something very
worthwhile, that you contact Dr. Terry Neher and start learning from him
what can be done with a remedial diet.  Or you can contact C.A.R.E. or
Chemical Abuse Resources & Education, P. O. Box 1141, Tacoma WA (206)
572-2273.  Talk to Craig Wills, the Community Outreach Specialist who
does prevention and education in the local schools.  He is really into
remedial nutrition.
I have been studying alcoholism and addiction with related problems for
well over 25 years now, and I think that I have a much better handle on
what is going on in this field than you do.
If you get the home page for the National Alliance of the Mentally Ill,
or NAMI at www.nami.org you will find that the neurotransmitter,
glutamate, has just been found linked to the underlying pathology in
this disease.
What has been going on for far too long is the misdiagnosis and
mistreatment of all genetic alcoholics and their family members as well
as the mistreatment of some of the mentally ill. I will keep posting to
anyone I see who keeps that going.
 * SLMR 2.1a * All wiyht.  Rho sritched mg kegtops awound?
system: You are Garry Freemyer, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Jane Kelley about "Adderall".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Mark Probert <=-
MP>JK>IF THE FAMILY HAS A HISTORY OF ALCOHOLISM OR THE BIPOLAR DISORDER,
MP>JK>then certain drugs are
MP>JK>counterindicated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JK> Prozac and any other similar antidepressant will result in a temporary
JK> elevation of the serotonin levels causing an instant and temporary
JK> period of insanity.  This leads to different results in each patient,
JK> some of them just scary and others damn serious.
MP>List the drugs and list where the contraindication is for a family
MP>history of ethanolism or bipolar disorder. I'll go look for myself.
JK> You get you fanny off the chair it is parked in, go find a medical
JK> library or the nearest pharmacist and do your own damn research. I
JK> gave you one freebe, now do the work necessary for you to remember the
JK> rest.
JK> While you are at it, visit the NAMI web site at www.nami.org and find
JK> out that glutamate, a neurotransmitter, is now linked with
JK> schizophrenia.
JK> That came from On the Brain (Harvard Mahoney Neuroscience Institute)
JK> summer 1996.
JK> That is also available at www.nami.org.  I heartily encourage every
JK> parent reading this to find that web site and pay attention to most of
JK> what is written there.

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assistant: <Bahahahahahahahahahahahaha> ... Um, Ahem!, Sorry bout that. It must
have been the insanity. You didn't warn me how short it could be. If I
had blinked my eyes I might have missed the whole thing!
Seriously, I took Prozac for ADHD for awhile but I don't recall any
period of insanity. After a few months it didn't do anything I could
sense so I quit it. I take nothing now. Everything I tried was either
fleeting or too week in benefit.
The only thing I can say about it is that while I was on the few meds
that did work for awhile I learned how it felt to be focused and ever
since I can sit through two hour meetings and long 3 day conventions and
actually get something out of it. Before I could never sit through one
and would spend %90 of my time standing up in the back trying to deal
with the anxiety and I would remember nothing that any of the speakers
said 90% of the time and the other ten percent of the time it was maybe
30-60 seconds of what was said.
Interesting!
Thanks for the web site.
... ADD Mind: Like a car without a steering wheel!
system: You are Marie Weidemann, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "Re: That Kelley person...".

They wrote:
MW> She is not a stupid woman, just very narrow minded when it comes to
MW>drugs  of _any_ kind. Even ones that are doctor prescribed. She feels
MW>people can  be healed better through natural herbs. I know herbs can
MW>help but the drugs  that are prescribed for AD(H)D are needed by most
MW>of the children. I have  7 grandchildren that have either ADD or
MW>ADHD. They are on different meds.
MP> Agreed that she is not stupid. What she spouts is dangerous, and made
MP> more dangerous because she cloaks herself in the aura of a medical
MP> professional and sounds like she knows what she is talking about.
MP> Herbs  have nothing to do with ADHD.
MP> As for your seven grandchildren...I know someone who says that there
MP> is  no genetic factor in ADHD. Could you have him over for dinner, and
MP> forget to give the kids their meds?
MP> :)

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assistant: I understand exactlly what you are saying. I have been in the health field
 myself for over 8 years. I read the journals but I would never profess to
 know everything about anything...Whatever information I get, I share it
 with others and let them make their own decisions.
 Send him over...I live in Pennsylvania but it may be worth the trip. I must
 tell you I have 17 natural grandchildren, which the 7 in question are, and
 I have 15 step grandchildren. I have 8 children, 3 which are still ADD and
 ADHD, and one that has some of the symptoms. I, myself, seem to have a few.
 We were told by the doctors here that ADHD is genetic.
 Actually when the grandkids are here with me, they behave very well. I am
 very strict with them and it seems to work "with me"...I never hit them,
 but I do make sure I have their attention and let them know that I am
 displeased with how they are acting. They usually quiet down for me. Takes
 one to know one, perhaps....:)
 Marie
... If Love is given, Courtest and Respect will always be there.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
system: You are Thomas Kish, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Regina Finan about "Re: That Kelley person...".

They wrote:
-> Well she is trying hard to tell me Jeremy can be helped with diet and
-> suppliments.  Fortunately, I am not easily swayed.  I found out what helps
-> Jeremy though.  Our cat had kittens and he has become extremely fond of
-> in particular.  Often, he will just lay on the couch with this cat
-> on him and quietly watch TV.  This is a tmp solution because of course it
-> only helps his emotional needs.
-> As far a Ritalin is concerened.  I got the impression she feels that
-> everyone who has an ADHD child has some kind of alcoholism in the family
-> that this kind of med would not work.  Well my Jonathon was on Ritalin and
-> it did work.  That was all the proof I needed.

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assistant: ne
leeping
and
Yes, I know what you mean about the ritalin.  I am currrently taking it, as
well as my oldest daughter.  My daughter has turned a complete 180 degrees
around since starting the ritalin treatments.  She was having a very
ifficult
time in school, and her grades were showing it.  Once she started on the
ritalin, her grades imediately improved from D's & E's to A's & B's.  These
people out there pushing these supplements are stuck in these network
marketing
scams, and would tell you their product will bring you back from the dead.
Now I just wish I could get some help for my youngest daughter.  She is
extremely hyperactive, but her school work is extrodinary, so the doctors
won't
do anything until her school work starts to suffer.  If anyone out there has
any suggestions on how to keep a hyperactive under control without physical
restraint & or medicine your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
system: You are Bob Moylan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "For your info...".

They wrote:
MP> BM>ADULT ADD--The Complete Handbook: Everything You Need to Know
MP> BM>About How to Cope and Live Well with ADD/ADHD
MP> Just to let you know, this book got pretty well trashed by many who
MP> write in alt.support.attn-deficit.
MP> Seems the authors are very prolific and like to write the "book of the
MP> month", depending on what's selling.

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assistant: MARK PROBERT On (07 Dec 96) was overheard to say to BOB MOYLAN
 Thanks for the info ... local library doesn't have a copy and neither
 did one of the major booksellers.  I keep intending to ADD asa-d to
 my regular list but....
 Bob
... Whoops another reality check came back NSF...
system: You are Bob Moylan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Attention Def. message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Probert about "Caffine".

They wrote:
MP> However, since I know that your agenda is inherently dangerous to
MP> children, I will do everything to make certain that you are
MP> continuously refuted.

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assistant: MARK PROBERT On (07 Dec 96) was overheard to say to JANE KELLEY
 Damn.... I've turned her on again will help with this when and where
 I have something (and I've got quite a bit) in front of me.
 Bob
... Just when you think it's hopelessly broken it works