system: You are Dennis Mccunney, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Unix message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Lawrence Garvin about "UNIX Machines".

They wrote:
DM> I'm from the SysV world, where the assumption is that applications
DM> will  be installed in directories under /usr.  The idea of putting
DM> applications under /opt is a bit foreign to me.
LG> Yeah, I had a hard time dealing with it in the SCO OpenServer release.
LG> I'm still not sure what I really think.
DM>  I'm more concerned about what applications will think, since some
DM> do  seem to expect to be under /usr.
LG> Well, so far, every Solaris 2 app I've installed has been quite happy
LG> to install into /opt.
LG> In fact, I was quite surprised when Netscape Communicator v4.0.3
LG> defaulted to install in /opt/netscape!
DM>  It depends upon hom much the users are likely to keep in their
DM> home  directories.  50MB might be adequate.
LG> Ah.. but I have a whole 'nother collection of servers for user file
LG> storage. Each one of them has a 2GB drive dedicated to user file
LG> storage -- so, rule number one would be -- personal file storage on the
LG> Solaris machine is striktly verbotten.
LG> Yeah.... we've gone through three system boards in the past two years.
LG> They keep dying. :/
DM>  How is service and support on them when they do die?
LG> Better from Tatung, than the local vendor who sold me the thing
LG> originally.
LG> First time, they made us ship the machine back to them (it was still
LG> under warranty). So I pulled the hard drive and had it shipped
LG> diskless. Unfortunately, my not-so-brilliant-at-times boss, had it
LG> shipped via Greyhound.
LG> Well.... seems that Tatung's headquarters is in a city sans Greyhound
LG> service, and it sat in the Santa Barbara bus station for about three
LG> weeks before somebody from Tatung got around to picking it up. In fact,
LG> Greyhound sent us a postcard asking us what to do with it, since it had
LG> been unclaimed for so long.
LG> We did get it back a few days later, and it worked fine for about a
LG> year.
LG> Then... second time, since it wasn't covered by warranty, I demanded
LG> that the vendor get us a -new- systemboard delivered and -I- would
LG> install the systemboard.
LG> Well, it took the vendor about three weeks to accomplish this major
LG> feat, and when they did deliver the systemboard, it was the wrong
LG> model. Chunk off another week to fix that problem.
LG> Then... not eight months later (August '97), after being moved (and
LG> possibly somewhat carelessly by our facilities geeks), the 'new'
LG> systemboard failed yet again. This time, though, it's under warranty
LG> again.
LG> And unlike before, this time I, once again, demanded that they ship
LG> the systemboard to us so I could install it. Miracle of miracles, this
LG> time the vendor delivered in four days (could also be cuz I was holding
LG> a $3,000 invoice over their head for our last purchase <g>).
LG> Aside from those minor fiascos, though.. the box itself has been very
LG> reliable.

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assistant: ** From Lawrence Garvin to Dennis McCunney on 19 Oct 97  17:11:00
 ** Re: UNIX Machines
 I'm not sure I understand *why* they decided to make that switch, but
 it makes as much sense as any other form of organization.  At least it
 makes a clear distinction between "came with the Solaris distribution"
 and "third party application", which may be the point,
 I would expect Solaris 2 applications to be well behaved.
 That's interesting...
 You can do that.  I have the biggest collection of personal files on my
 server.  Most of the users have *no* personal files in their
 directories, since they are end users of an applications, and aren't
 even aware of UNIX or that they have a home directory.  Most
 development work is done in dedicated project directories on a seperate
 file system.
 Greyhound, rather than FedEx, UPS, DHL Airborne or the like?  That
 level of oddity takes some doing.
 At least they asked, rather than junking it.
 Lemme guess: they had no spares in stock, had to order from Tatung, and
 ran into language problems.  I had a case like that years back working
 for a systems house when a batch of PC clones we sold started failing
 in the field.  The symptom was a spontaneous reboot.  One client lost a
 30 page proposal he hadn't saved yet when it happened.  He was
 remarkably nice about it, considering.  I called the distributor and
 the Tech Support Manager said, "Don't worry.  We stand behind our
 products!  Ship 'em back and we'll replace them.  Now I gotta call
 Taiwan and hope I can get someone who speaks English..."
 Possibly.  I've played games like that with vendors.  I don't like
 doing it, but it can be effective.
 Except for the system boards...