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system: You are Dennis Menard, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to William Elliot about "Re: Ethics".

They wrote:
WE> Yup, didn't find anything yet about Waco or Oklahoma in
WE> www.amnesty.org but there are plenty of other things there even some
WE> pepper spraying in Canada.
WE> So how are you being out raged?  Hear something about Vancouver
WE> Island, little about BC.  It takes the muddying of a medium size town's
WE> water supply to get even slight note.  Even land slides that wipe out a
WE> whole family are little considered.

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assistant: -[ Quoting William Elliot <01-11-98  01:59>, to Dennis Menard ]-
You'll have to direct me to "... pepper spraying in Canada."  I must have
missed it ... especially the APEC incident in Vancouver, B.C. in Nov 97 ...
although I did notice there's a summary of other human rights concerns.
You mean Vancouver Island is not part of B.C.?  :)  Victoria has an awful
reputation for its position on sewage treatment ... yet is known for a good
many demonstrations re: environmental concerns.  I say: If you want to be
taken seriously, your behaviour had better be an exemplary illustration, OF
the views you would have others adopt.
-< Dennis >-
... Use DEVICE=EXXON to screw up your environment.
-=- Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
system: You are William Elliot, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Clarence Hogan about "Circular Argument".

They wrote:
>>> Clarence Hogan on Circular Argument
WE> Indeed, a fertilized ovum is created out of a squirmy sperm cell and a
WE> horny ovum.
CH> Hummmmm, I thought we just agreed that a fertilized ovum was NOT
CH> created???????
WE> This hair splitting is of no interest to the pregnant woman.
CH> It is when she is trying to collect child support, BELIEVE ME!
CH> Yup, that's what my daddy said when he got me, but the fun was
CH> over with after about 3 minutes and he paid for it for 17 years!
CH> Hey, maybe that's why my only brother didn't come along for another
CH> 15 years, ya' reckon?  :)  After 15 years he had forgotten his first
CH> lesson!  :)
CH> And yup, every time The Creator gave us a GOOD thing we
CH> always found a way of defiling it or changing it into something that
CH> it was never intended to be used for, right?  :'(

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assistant: If god made the fertilized ovum, she'd have trouble with that claim.  Likely
be consider as crazy as the Virgin Mary.  So she will avow that a man created
her situation.
Likely so.  Makes me wonder why they start anything like that in the first,
considering what years of bother it brings.  Must have been tempted by a
devil, likely that little imp Cupid.
Grow up?  Be an adult!  What for, to become adulterated? -)
... Life after death?  No way, if you're still alive you haven't died yet.
system: You are William Elliot, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Frank Masingill about "Universes".

They wrote:
>>> Frank Masingill on Universes
FM> I'm fascinated as to how consciousness as a part of reality could be
FM> "different" from it!!
WE> So have mystics and philosophers thru the ages!  Really it depends upon
WE> your viewpoint.  A subjective viewpoint would note that consciousness is
WE> ubiquitous in everything we observe for our observing brings to the
WE> observed our consciousness.  So consciousness permeates all that we
WE> observe.  An objective view will hold that the rock isn't conscious and
WE> indeed it isn't.  Neither are we when we are unconscious.
FM> William, it seems to me that you went immediately from my question
FM> into a kind of subjective dichotomy between subjective and objective
FM> and never got around to mentioning reality at all.
FM> My question was meant to show my surprise that consciousness COULD
FM> be different from the reality of which it must be a participating part.
FM> The minds which imagine themselves either detached from
FM> reality or standing over reality like a strong, independent monarch are
FM> the most easily fooled into mistaking the shadows for reality.
FM> How *I* view the world from an immanantist point of view doesn't
FM> necessarily reflect reality, does it?

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assistant: I said that it would stir up some confusion.  You have verified my point.  So
what is your viewpoint, objective?  As indicated, mystics and sages of the
ages are still pondering this.  The mystics have a subjective view.
This is an objective view, that consciousness is a participant.
Reality and shadows, is this objective thought?  I think it's a subjective
moan about the 'trial and error' of human perception.
                  Error Free Thought
Results are always obtained by successive approximations.
    If at first you do not succeed, try, try, try again.
No matter how well first approximations are made, some will require a second.
    The best you can do is get it right the first time, but nobody's perfect.
Don't know.  What's an immanantist?
system: You are William Elliot, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dennis Menard about "Quebec".

They wrote:
>>> Dennis Menard on Quebec
WE> Yes, and cabbage keeps well.
DM> Root vegetables do fine.
DM> First Nations folk call us
DM> "White Man" and think we, foolishly, throw away all the best parts of
DM> fish/game we harvest. I reckon they are probably right.  :)
DM> Our snow has been light this year; much too light.  I dread next
DM> summer if the doesn't increase within the next two months or
DM> so.
WE> Err, no thanks, the most I ever seen is 8 F.
DM> Hmm ... I do not see any negatory indicator preceding that "8 F"; am I
DM> to SUPPOSE, then, that that "8" represents a pository integer (ie,
DM> suppository number)?  This morning (Jan 12/98) it is a balmy -20C.  +8F
DM> OR C would be a gorgeous spring day.  :)

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assistant: Cabbage, beets, parsnips, turnips, carrots.  Hm.  Ought to go well with elk.
Gosh, what are the best parts?  Fish heads, eyeballs?  Sure are wasteful us
palefaces.  Likely we'd find appetite for such if pressed with stringent
living conditions.
Dread?  Why?  Swarms of mosquitoes?  Greenhouse effect is everywhere.  We've
had a dry winter also.
Well it was below zero C, now wasn't it?  Three days of 20 F and four inches
of snow.  45 F today and slop all about.
Quebec has taken quite a beating, even worse that the USA east coast.
system: You are William Elliot, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dennis Menard about "Amnesty International".

They wrote:
>>> Dennis Menard on Ethics
DM> I noticed a little about Canada; nothing about the use of pepper spray
DM> in Canada, though ... not even the fact, it seems to have become
DM> popular with increasing use by the criminal element.

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assistant: Did you do a search on Canada?  I may have noticed it there.  There seems to
be three parts to AI, the recent reports, accumulated reports of the last few
years and a search facility.
system: You are William Elliot, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dennis Menard about "Therapist".

They wrote:
>>> Dennis Menard on Therapist
WE> Authority, heros and celebrities, conformity, repetition and
WE> imitation. A lot of this has group survival value, especially for those
WE> on top. Cooperation is nice but I don't see how a child can be raised
WE> without some coercion.
DM> True.  But independant thinking should be acknowledged, encouraged
DM> and, if I may say so, rewarded.

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assistant: Independant thinking?  Isn't that a euphemism for non-conformist?  The
politically correct expression is outside talent.  BTW, what reward do you
recommend for Quebec?
Perhaps Joseph Cambell discussed this in his book 'The Hero with a Thousand
Faces'.  Basically, the hero's revelation is profound insight for the
community.
system: You are William Elliot, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Dennis Menard about "Ethics".

They wrote:
>>> Dennis Menard on Ethics
DM> You'll have to direct me to "... pepper spraying in Canada."
DM> You mean Vancouver Island is not part of B.C.?  :)  Victoria has an
DM> awful reputation for its position on sewage treatment ... yet is known
DM> for a good many demonstrations re: environmental concerns.  I say: If
DM> you want to be taken seriously, your behaviour had better be an
DM> exemplary illustration, OF the views you would have others adopt.

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assistant: Do a 'search' on Canada.
You sound like a third world country talking to the USA on global warming. -)
 Yet we know example is the best teacher.  In fact it is the first teacher.
That's how young learn from their parents.
system: You are Richard Meic, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to John Boone about "Ethics".

They wrote:
AC>> I seriously have a hard time believing that people as stupid as
AC>> you (and Menard) really exist.  At least I understand Mama
JB> An interesting bit of information according to Sowell. Such
JB> -assumptions- by liberals allows them to blame -others- (external
JB> factors) for -their or others- plights as to believe otherwise
JB> leaves them with great "pyschic pain" (see "A Conflict of Visions"
JB> Chapter One); as, -an- alternative explaination is a -process-one,
JB> e.g, the free market.  [snip]  Take care, John  * OFFLINE 1.54

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assistant: Salutatio John!
12-Jan-98, John Boone wrote to Andrew Cummins
          Subject: Ethics
You don't honestly expect him to look it up do you?
 Dicere...
 email address (vrmeic@spots.ab.ca)
Richard Meic
system: You are Richard Meic, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Frank Masingill about "Back to Apes".

They wrote:
RM>> Many people find it hard to face simple non-existence after
RM>> death. They
FM> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
RM>> Oh my dear friend, you will have to show me where I stated that I
RM>> KNEW what happens after death.  I merely said that religion is
RM>> the result of the fear of nothing after death.  Not that there
RM>> WAS nothing after death.
FM> O.K., Richard, (grin) look at the careted sentence above.  Are you
FM> contending that I should not have understood that as a statement
FM> of a known fact?  If so, then, of course, I misread you.
FM> I
FM> believe that if I had stated such and wanted it to be clearer I
FM> would have inserted "possible" between "face" and "simple."

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assistant: Salutatio Frank!
13-Jan-98, Frank Masingill wrote to Richard Meic
          Subject: Back to Apes
You *assumed* that is what I meant, Fank ol' boy.  You simply read more
into what I wrote.  Should I have to put some kind of disclaimer
specifically for you benefit?  No where in there did I state "fact" or
"truth" or any assumption of that kind.
It would have been too wordy.  What I stated stands all on it's own and
retains the same meaning (provided the one reading it is not you, of
course ;).  You can go right ahead and put "possible" in there, but it
is a waste of time.
 Dicere...
 email address (vrmeic@spots.ab.ca)
Richard Meic
system: You are Clarence Hogan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to William Elliot about "Universes".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting William Elliot to Clarence Hogan <=-
>>> Clarence Hogan on Universes
WE> That which is the universe is ever persistent clarity of mind,
WE> orderly yet elusive.  Chaotic the multiverse, perpetually random
WE> confusion persistently intruding upon the universe.  For respite from
WE> both is the nulliverse, the never present, perceivable only at its
WE> gateway transitions of sleep, death, birth, unconsciousness, and
WE> trance.  Clarifying all of this, however, creates yet additional
WE> confusion.
CH> Does not the universe represent perfect harmony and clarity
CH> of mind?  Has it not been made to operate by the only perfect
CH> equations known to man, viz., mathematics, for is it not a
CH> known fact that thoughts in words can lie, but thoughts in
CH> figures cannot lie?  So in consideration of this, wherein is
CH> the universe elusive?
WE> No, there are pockets of chaos or as you might put it hell.
WE> No,
WE> mathematics doesn't rule the universe, it describes only a portion of
WE> the universe to which we can apply mathematics.
WE> The universe often
WE> eludes mathematical description, economics being an example.  But so
WE> also sociology, psychology, ethics, aesthetics elude mathematical
WE> analysis.
CH> As to multiverse and nulliverse, please give a definition for
CH> these two words and then we may possibly proceed from there!
WE> The multiverse is just too dang confusing to define while the
WE> nulliverse has been nullified by it's very nature.
WE> As you believe in
WE> life after death, that death isn't death, then you deny that you can
WE> experience the ultimate nulliverse.
WE> ... Life after death?  No way, if
WE> you're still alive you haven't died yet.

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assistant: Hummmmm, ok, now can you describe the pockets of chaos or this
 hell that you believe I might believe in?
 If you say so, but you sure could have fooled me for I thought that
 mathematics explained it all!
 And just how do we go about applying these other attributes to the
 universe itself?  Or do you consider the universe to be a thinking
 entity?
 Hummmmm, since you have not defined multiverse and nulliverse as of
 yet, I would be hard put to make any speculation as to the validity
 of your statement here!
 How so do I believe in life after death or that death isn't death?
 Since I have yet to comprehend the term nulliverse, how can I possibly
 deny that which I do not fully understand?
 Now a truer statement could not be said!  :)  For when you are dead,
 you are just like Rover, you are dead all over!
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        Abraham (abe)
... Once upon a time there was no time and so it shall be again!  :)
system: You are Clarence Hogan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Bloss about "Random values".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting Mark Bloss to Clarence Hogan <=-
>
>Clarence Hogan wrote to Mark Bloss about Random values
CH> Thanks Mark and how are the folks doin, fine I hope and say
CH> Hey for me!  :)  Yup, he and I have already established a
CH> lovely relationship and I am tickled to death with him as
CH> we seem to be birds of a feather and have much the same thorns
CH> in our flesh as Paul might put it!  I am happy to know that
CH> you and he are good friends also!  I got me a new Pentium
CH> 200 MMX with Win95 and other nice things along with the new
CH> Argo Win95 Keyboard with built-in TouchPad and new "V" shaped
CH> keyboard and is it giving me a fit, but I am going to whip it
CH> or die trying for it has cut my typing speed to practically
CH> a hunt and peck mode and the TouchPad is so erratic that it
CH> is driving me crazy but I am trying to get some advice from
CH> others in the echoes on what to try and do about it!  You
CH> don't by any chance know anything about them do you?
MB> I know what they look like.  I think they're too pricey too.  That's
MB> about all I know about them... ;)
CH> BTW, * W * H * E * N * ?  :)
MB> * V * E * R * Y * Soon...

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assistant: Well I caught mine on sale at Computer City for $49.99 and ordered
 it just before it went off sale and it is getting better each day,
 so I think that I will keep it even if it is moody like someone we
 both know!  :)  Just kidding girls, just kidding!  :)
 * V * U * N * D * E * R * F * U * L * !
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... Friendship:  People who know all about you but like you anyway!
system: You are Frank Masingill, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Mark Bloss about "Random values                           03:42:5501/14/98".

They wrote:
MB> All things are "solved by consciousness".  Whether anything is solved by
MB> intuition or intellect, the subjective or the objective, is the
MB> question.  It is true that only the objective can be refuted
MB> exteriorily.  The subjective must rely upon the "I am".
FM> tension in man's existence as existence in what Plato called the metaxy
FM> (in-between the divine and the human) is well documented as is the
FM> differentiations of the symbols generated by such tension over epochs of
FM> the past occuring in various parts of the world.  Attempts to "solve"
FM> the problem of what constitutes the totality of reality is PRECISELY
FM> what results in the various "philosophical SYSTEMS" which have proven to
FM> be illusory and wrong. "History" only makes sense when
MB> Yet, they have also resulted in various philosophical systems which have
MB> proven to be right!  This is merely analogous as pronouncing that the
MB> advent of the automobile has proven to be dangerous and inhumane,
MB> because  of all the bad drivers which have been produced by such an
MB> awful machine.

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assistant: Mark, I am printing out and saving your entire post because I'm having
trouble understanding your meaning and distinctions between the
intellectual"
and the "intuitive" in consciousness as it respects the human experience and
the symbolization of experience so will make no overall response here.
     I am especially concerned with your curious statement that some
"philosophical SYSTEMS have proven to be right!"  What does this have to do
with the advent of the automobile?  Could you elaborate on the analogy a bit
more but more to the point WHAT philosophical systems have proven to be
"right?"
      Sincerely,
                                     Frank
system: You are Clarence Hogan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to William Elliot about "Circular Argument".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting William Elliot to Clarence Hogan <=-
>>> Clarence Hogan on Circular Argument
WE> Indeed, a fertilized ovum is created out of a squirmy sperm cell and a
WE> horny ovum.
CH> Hummmmm, I thought we just agreed that a fertilized ovum was NOT
CH> created???????
WE> This hair splitting is of no interest to the pregnant woman.
CH> It is when she is trying to collect child support, BELIEVE ME!
WE> If god made the fertilized ovum, she'd have trouble with that claim.
WE> Likely be consider as crazy as the Virgin Mary.  So she will avow that
WE> a man created her situation.
CH> Yup, that's what my daddy said when he got me, but the fun was
CH> over with after about 3 minutes and he paid for it for 17 years!
CH> Hey, maybe that's why my only brother didn't come along for another
CH> 15 years, ya' reckon?  :)  After 15 years he had forgotten his first
CH> lesson!  :)
WE> Likely so.  Makes me wonder why they start anything like that in the
WE> first, considering what years of bother it brings.  Must have been
WE> tempted by a devil, likely that little imp Cupid.
CH> And yup, every time The Creator gave us a GOOD thing we
CH> always found a way of defiling it or changing it into something that
CH> it was never intended to be used for, right?  :'(
WE> Grow up?  Be an adult!  What for, to become adulterated? -)

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assistant: You gotta' be kiddin', you don't truly believe that He would try to
 lie out of it, DO YOU?  :'(   :)  And you don't believe that she
 would lie either, do you?  Or are you saying that she didn't believe
 the angel?
 HeeHee, ya' reckon?
 You got that right, for He didn't say what He did in Mt 18:3, 19:14,
 Mr 10:14 and Lu 18:16, just to be flappin' His lips, right?
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... DO I   sss ^ rrr   YOU?
... It ain't wise to tick-off the one who controls your heart beat!  :'(
system: You are Clarence Hogan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the Philosophy message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to William Elliot about "Universes".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting William Elliot to Frank Masingill <=-
WE>              Error Free Thought
WE> Results are always obtained by successive approximations.
WE> If at first you do not succeed, try, try, try again.
WE> No matter how well first approximations are made, some will require a
WE> second. The best you can do is get it right the first time, but
WE> nobody's perfect.

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assistant: ... .......>>>=======>  MD2SP  <=======<<<.......
 HEY Will ole man, I like it, but why can't I try to be perfect!
 I always tried to teach my carpenters to measure ten times if
 necessary and mark ten times if necessary, the cut the board
 off on the right mark, cause they just hadn't invented board
 stretchers yet!  :)
Just another humble servant of The Kingdom.......clarence.......
... If you aren't perfect, how much more do you like getting converted?