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system: You are Jerry Coffin, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Sunir Shah about "Sunir ventures into C++".

They wrote:
JC> Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how being
JC> implementation defined makes things much (or really ANY) different
JC> from how they've been all along.  If a particular implemenation
JC> wants to accept a different form of main, it's always been able to
JC> do so.
SS> Yes, but not with the /ansi switch on... well, in C, anyway.  I need
SS> to read the C++ specs.
JC> Sure.  If you're interested in portability, you don't use things
JC> that are implementation defined.  Can you explain how `void main()'
JC> being undefined is ANY different from it being implementation
JC> defined? If there's a real difference, I'm missing it...
SS> Implementation defined doesn't flag an major error.  In fact, it
SS> doesn't flag anything unless you have megawarnings on.
SS> If C++ has no mandate for portability, so be it.  In that case, I'll
SS> stop complaining. <-- yeah right. :)

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assistant: On (22 Jul 97) Sunir Shah wrote to Jerry Coffin...
I know of exactly ONE C compiler that complains about main returning
void in C under ANY circumstances.  Under the same circumnstances, the
same compiler complains about a number of implementation defined things
as well...
Undefined doesn't flag a major error, or anything else necessarily.  In
fact, they specifically separated "undefined behavior" from an "error"
so signify that undefined behavior won't be (dependably) diagnosed or
flagged in any other way.
The one difference is that with the possibility of other return types
undefined, the implementation can do so without ever giving you any kind
of warning at all.  By contrast, with the effect of other return types
being implementation defined, the implementation must define what other
types of returns it'll allow.
There's no difference in portability at all.  If you want portable code,
in both cases you use the return type mandated by the standard.  In the
case of C, an impmentation may accept other forms of main, but has no
(officially accepted) way of telling you whether it does or not.  In the
case of C++, the implementation can document other forms of main that it
accepts in addition to those the standard requires.
This simply gives an implementation a spot to officially document any
other forms of main it accepts, and encourages any implementation that
does accept other forms to document the fact.  There is _absolutely_ no
difference in portability either way.  Making something implementation
defined instead of undefined places MORE responsibility on the vendor,
NOT less.
    Later,
    Jerry.
... The Universe is a figment of its own imagination.
system: You are Jerry Coffin, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Sunir Shah about "Sunir ventures into C++".

They wrote:
SS> /* 1. Passing by reference */
SS> void foo( int& HeyIMagicallyAlterYourVariableWithoutTellingYou )
DM> It can be avoided.
SS> Not if you buy a third-party library it can't.
SS>     /* 2. Declaring data in random places */
SS>     int HiIAmRandomlyDeclaredHere;
DM> Well C++ allowes it.  Its up to the programmer to do it :)
SS> And they will.  And then I'll have to maintain it.
SS>     HiIAmRandomlyDeclaredHere = ButICannotFindWhereHereIs; // a=b
SS>                                        /* 3. Assembly comments */
DM> I like them actually...
SS> But they don't mean anything!
SS>     /* 4. C-style casts are outlawed as of the latest draft
SS>      * proposal */

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assistant: On (22 Jul 97) Sunir Shah wrote to Dan Mcgregor...
If you buy a third party library, it's up to you to decide what quality
of library you buy.  I think we can all agree that it's possible for
somebody to have written arbitrarily awful code in virtually any
language.  The quality depends on the library, NOT the language.
Declaring variables as close as possible to where they're used is, at
least IMO, a real advantage to C++.  Like almost anything else with good
uses, it can be abused.  If you want a language with little that's open
to abuse, neither C nor C++ is a good choice for you.
Again, anybody who wants to write lousy, meaningless, perhaps even
misleading, comments can do so.  Signifying a comment with // instead of
/* makes absolutely NO difference to the contents.
[ ... ]
There is NO truth to this assertion whatsoever.  I put off replying
until I had a chance to re-read the relevant section of the draft
standard to check, though my first reaction involved the manure of male
animals of bovine species.
Examination of the standard reveals that my initial reaction was
basically correct.  C++ adds a number of new casts to the language, but
does NOT make C-style casts illegal at all.
    Later,
    Jerry.
... The Universe is a figment of its own imagination.
system: You are Cameron Clark, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Wade Carpenter about "Re: How would I...".

They wrote:
WC> When I enter a directory, it messes it all up and all my
WC> char strings get mixed together, like for example my
WC> Now, what I tried to do was to enter double \\, like must be

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assistant: use array's of characters and not pointers. It sound like an
    allocation error to me.
    Remeber char* is just a pointer. You have to "new char[xxx]" to give
    it memory or strdup() (but that uses memalloc()).
    The directory name might require it to be ended with '\' - this is
    nasty to test for.
    if it ends in '\'       dont add one
    if it doesn't end in '\'
         add one only if the string is not empty
         '' could default to relative directory and adding '\' makes
         it the root directory
system: You are Jerry Coffin, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Balog Pal about "mutable".

They wrote:
BP> So that mutable proposal can really help. The only problem is that
BP> it's not yet supported in compilers.  Or did anyone see it
BP> implemented?

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assistant: On (21 Jul 97) Balog Pal wrote to Jerry Coffin...
[ ... ]
Yes - VC++ 5.0 supports it.  I haven't put this support to any serious
testing, but at last simple versions of its use seem to work.
    Later,
    Jerry.
... The Universe is a figment of its own imagination.
system: You are Jerry Coffin, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Christian S. Pedersen about "Mutually class definition.".

They wrote:
CS> Hello All.
CS> I want to define two classes like the following:
CS> class A
CS> {
CS>    A(int a) { <code> };
CS>    B func1() { return B(1); };
CS> }
CS> class B
CS> {
CS>   B(int a) { <code> };
CS>   A func2() { return A(1); };
CS> }
CS> two classes which each contains a function which return a instance of
CS> the other class. I get a "typename expected"-error in class A. I
CS> believe I have to use the "typename" keyword, but I can't get it to
CS> work.

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assistant: On (23 Jul 97) Christian S. Pedersen wrote to All...
Nope - you just have to do a forward declaration that B is the name of a
class before you try to use it as a return type:
class B;
class A {
    B func1() { return B(1); }
};
class B {
    B(int a) { /* ... */ }
};
should do the trick.
    Later,
    Jerry.
... The Universe is a figment of its own imagination.
system: You are Daniel Jones, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Kurt Kuzba about "Signs of numbers".

They wrote:
KK>    This, however, is a design problem easily surmounted
KK>    by the individual without the use of multiple functions.
KK>    Some older C++ compilers, such as Borland 3.1, do not
KK>    support templates, so that avenue, while available, is
KK>    not an overall solution either.

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assistant: Correct in general but specifically erroneous.  BC++ 3.1 does support
templates.  There are some problems with it's implementation, as there
are with (almost?) every implementation currently available, but it does
support them.
Regards,
Daniel              ddjones@pinn.net
system: You are Daniel Jones, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Sunir Shah about "Sunir ventures into C++".

They wrote:
SS> I hate five major things about C++ so far:
SS> /* 1. Passing by reference */
SS> /* 2. Declaring data in random places */
SS> /* 3. Assembly comments */
SS>     /* 4. C-style casts are outlawed as of the latest draft proposal
SS>     long bar;
SS>     /* 5. Weird new commands and stuff because I hadn't bothered to
SS>     ** call ANSI to see what they threw in this morning.
SS>  SS> 2) Is the icky void main(void) actually allowed in C++?  Ugh...
SS> No surprise. Borland is evil.

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assistant: These are two of the reasons I never use pure C anymore.  I feel limited
without these abilities.  I really hope these, along with function
overloading, get added to the next C standard.
References are quite powerful.  I suspect that once you get used to them
and really start using classes, you'll come to appreciate them as well.
As for declarations, why shouldn't I be able to declare a variable where
I use it?  I especially like for(int i = 0; i < 100; i++) type
declarations.  It makes it quite clear that i is simply a placeholder.
Certainly, you could randomly declare variables in places that make no
sense.  However, you can also write spaghetti code in either C or C++.
You sound like a Pascal weenie: "I want the compiler to protect me from
myself!" <GD&RVFVF>
Not a big deal either way.  Stylistic differences.  I use them and like
them, but wouldn't be lost without them.
Jury is still out.  I haven't upgraded my compiler yet, so I haven't
used C++ casts much.
There haven't been THAT many changes, at least not to the basic
language. Most of them are nit-picky technical details.
Hey! Bite your tongue!
Regards,
Daniel              ddjones@pinn.net
system: You are Daniel Jones, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Ken Waugh about "Sunir ventures into".

They wrote:
KW>  SS> /* 1. Passing by reference */
KW>  SS> void foo( int& HeyIMagicallyAlterYourVariableWithoutTellingYou
KW>  SS> {
KW> You aren't gonna like this one bit then... What you mention above pa
KW> reference, I posted a C example of it happening just this week. C do
KW> also. Check out the Pointer cheat sheet I posted it gives you all th
KW> possibilites.

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assistant: <Soliloqy>
I may end up hating myself for starting this back up again.  If not,
others will definitely hate me for it. Oh well. Here goes.
</Soliloqy>
C does not support references.  It does supports passing pointers, which
the programmer can then use to accomplish the same thing a reference
accomplishes. Very similar, but not the same.
Regards,
Daniel              ddjones@pinn.net
system: You are Christian S. Pedersen, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "Conversion of pointer.".

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assistant: Hello All.
Behold, a function which returns a pointer:
int* test()
{
    int i=5;
    return &i;
}
Why do I get a "Suspicious pointer conversion"-warning ? The functions using
this concept seems to work OK. Should I make them differently.
Christian...
system: You are Wade Carpenter, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Rajesh Dhawan about "Re: How would I...".

They wrote:
-=> Quoting Rajesh Dhawan to Wade Carpenter <=-
RD> Where dirw is 'char *dirw', I guess ?
RD> If you are using 'char *dirw' try 'char dirw[50]' or if you must
RD> user 'char *' then malloc it properly before passing it to gets(dirw)
RD> I hope the above suggestions work for you. If they don't then please
RD> pass on some more lines of your source and someone might be able to
RD> help you (including me )

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assistant: yep... right on
Yep.. It worked like a charm!!! Thanks so much for the help, because I never
would have thought of that!!  So, would it generally be better then, to
use 'char any[50]' instead of using 'char *any'?  Before now, I never knew
any reason to specify the length, other than writing to files...  Well,
hanks
again.  cya
... Initialize: Carving your initials on a floppy disk.
system: You are Neil Heller, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Erik Warmelink about "DATABASE STUFF".

They wrote:
EW> I meant a preprocessor can be told to behave civilized, if it can,
EW> I don't see a reason to leave SQL.

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assistant: ODBC is a delivery system for sending SQL to databases.
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system: You are Frank Swarbrick, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Cameron Clark about "Re: Signs of numbers".

They wrote:
JC> There has been a proposal for a standardized format for binary files,
JC> and I believe it was formally placed before the C9X committee, but I
JC> believe the proposal was placed before the committee after they'd said
JC> they weren't going to accept more proposals for extensions, so it died
JC> a'borning, so to speak.
CC> You mean like sequential,indexed sequential, and so on? If so,
CC> bad idea - dos systems and the like only have sequential files
CC> natively.

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assistant: On 07-20-97  22:58, waiting for 22, Cameron Clark said:
Hmm, I don't know about that.  COBOL uses indexed files and they seem to
work fine on my DOS machine.   Probably more effort for the compiler,
but that's what compilers are for, eh?
        Frank
... "How may I be honest with you today?" --Tuvok
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system: You are Thomas Maeder, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Sunir Shah about "Sunir ventures into C++".

They wrote:
SS>  SS> void foo( int& HeyIMagicallyAlterYourVariableWithoutTellingYou
SS>  TM> Hey, look again! I tell you I alter your variable! I'm a refere
SS> Hey, look again!  The caller doesn't have a clue.
SS> Yes/no... it would be ok if everyone programmed in nice blocks.  It'
SS> a major issue, it's just annoying that I lose track of data.
SS> I must drill that into my head.  I must drill that into my head.
SS> Yes, but where is ButICannotFindWhereHereIs? ;)
SS>  TM> //  comments are quite handy, because you can easily temporaril
SS>  TM> sequence of code lines containing them using /* */.
SS> Ah, that's rare.

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assistant: Isn't the '&' clue enough?
Well,  I  don't  know  any  language  that  prevents  you  from saying
something nasty, neither natural nor programming language.
Read the tagline of this message.
Maybe, I have misunderstood this item.  Could  you  ask  the  question
again in a more verbose style?
Not if you (or I) try different alternatives.
Thomas
system: You are Thomas Maeder, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Asher Densmore-Lynn about "Sunir ventures into C++".

They wrote:
AD> Code readability, and it makes it easier on the compiler, but the fi
AD> the real one. Nothing but code readability. I programmed in BASIC fo
AD> long; it was very painful to convert to C, but once I managed, I was

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assistant: I  find  code  more  readable if variables are declared where they are
used.
Thomas
system: You are Thomas Maeder, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Darin Mcbride about "template hell?".

They wrote:
DM>  TM> Download a public STL. You can learn a lot about using template
DM>  TM> looking at the code.
DM> However, what you're more likely to get by looking at the code is a

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assistant: Ok. The STL is well enough documented to use it without  understanding
every  line of code. But I'm not only a software developer, but also a
C++ teacher, so I think that I have to understand the STL code.
Thomas
system: You are Thomas Maeder, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Cameron Clark about "exceptions in c++".

They wrote:
CC>     Given situation: get a character and build a token until white s
CC>     is reached. White space can be an actual space, tab, or newline
CC>     character.
CC>     No token can be over MAX_TOKEN_LEN in length.
CC>     If you don't check for end of file you will run into an infinite
CC>     // assume inf = ifstream
CC>    char c;
CC>    do {
CC>       inf.get(c);
CC>       if (inf.gcount() != 0) {
CC>          if (current < MAX_TOKEN_LEN) {
CC>            token[current++] = c;
CC>          }
CC>       }
CC>    } while (((strrchr(" \t\n")==0) && (inf.gcount() != 0) &&
CC>             (current < MAX_TOKEN_LEN));
CC>    if ((inf.gcount() != 0)) {
CC>      inf.putback(c);
CC>    }
CC>    Notice that there will be _only_ one end of file reached per file
CC>    If I check every character read from the file 3 times I have a sl
CC>    slow, slow piece for code.

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assistant: What about something like the following:
char token[MAX_TOKEN_LEN+1];
while (inf >> setw(sizeof token) >> token)
    if (isspace(inf.peek())
        // process token here
    else
        // token too long
Feel free to use this design, but you should test it first!
Have  you  tested the speed of exception handling? I haven't, neither,
but it's said to be slow, slow, slow.
Thomas
system: You are Larry Rink, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to All about "APL".

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assistant: I know this is off topic, so I'll be brief..
Anyone who knows a programming language called A.P.L. or
Dyalog or Dyalog Prefect, please netmail me at
                        1:154/500
THANKS!!
Larry Rink
Sysop
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system: You are Asher Densmore-Lynn, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Thomas Maeder about "Sunir ventures into C++".

They wrote:
AD>> Code readability, and it makes it easier on the compiler, but the
AD>> fi the real one. Nothing but code readability. I programmed in
AD>> BASIC fo long; it was very painful to convert to C, but once I
AD>> managed, I was
TM> I  find  code  more  readable if variables are declared where they are
TM> used.

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assistant: 23 Jul 97 20:03, Thomas Maeder wrote to Asher Densmore-Lynn:
<shrugs> Personal habits. I interpret, debug, and adapt many, -many- more
lines of code than I write, so I want to be able to grasp functions quickly.
Well-named variables all grouped together at the beginning of a function go a
long way to doing that. (:
Asher Densmore-Lynn <asher.d@chrysalis.org>
... Constants aren't;  variables don't.
system: You are Peter Haywood, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Brendan Lambourne about "Re: Good C++ Compiler".

They wrote:
BL> I would like to know what your recommendations of a good compiler are?

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assistant: Groovy hepcat Brendan Lambourne jived with All on 23 Jun 97  22:02:34!
Good C++ Compiler's a cool scene. Dig it!
  Watcom. But don't get version 11, it's full of bugs and silly
inconsistencies, by all acounts. I don't think you can get an earlier
version directly from Watcom, but you may find a second hand one. I
have version 10.6, and it's very good. The only things I'd complain
about are documentation (all in so called "help" files) and support
from Watcom.
                                                  Wolvaen
... Beat's me!!! I never read the documentation.
system: You are Rajesh Dhawan, a caller on a 1990s BBS posting in the C++ message echo. Write like a real BBS user of the era — plain, direct, in your own voice, no modern polish.

user: You are replying to Wade Carpenter about "Re: How would I...".

They wrote:
WC>
WC> Yep.. It worked like a charm!!! Thanks so much for the help,
WC> because I never
WC> would have thought of that!!  So, would it generally be better then, to
WC> use 'char any[50]' instead of using 'char *any'?
WC> Before now, I never knew
WC> any reason to specify the length, other than writing to files...

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assistant: Hi again Wade::
  Wade Carpenter,
  In a message on 24 July, you wrote to me :
The -- char *any -- has the advantage in that you could change the amount of
memory allocated to it by calling -- realloc() -- or you could return the
memory occupied by it back to the system with -- free() --
But if you have an object that's gonna occupy more or less same a fixed
amount of memory then using the -- char any[50] -- is better. Then you
don't have to call any -- malloc() -- or -- realloc() s--
TIP::
Also, when you want to pass 'any' as an argument to a function say
foo(char *gimmeAny) then you could use foo(any) where any is either a
char * or char any[].
So you see, there's no *general* way of doing things in C.
Well, good things come to those who wait.
For C/C++ beginners learning how pointers work is the biggest challenge.
Keep it up
Bye
Rajesh
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