Interviewer(s): I004
Interviewee(s): P463

I004: Mother, how you are?

P463: I am fine.

I004: First, I want to know which year you were born.

P463: I was born in 1989.

I004: You were born in 1989 …and how old are you now?

P463: I am 48 years old.

I004: Oooh you are 48 years old?

P463: Yes.

I004: Okay now during the time you were born what was the major thing that happened?

P463: There was nothing bad happened it was only good things.

I004: Was there something like a ceremony or?

P463: It was only good things because by then for us we were looking after the cows we had food to eat because we could eat meat drink milk and go look after the cows by that time we did not even have a bad flu we were just good but when we grew older it is when we have come to get some rough time because we have now known what money is and what a fever is because you can see your child having a flu and you take her to the hospital and so today that complain saying that our country has been invaded with drought it is true and so we need to look for ways of getting a living so that we overcome drought.

I004: Okay now since you were born have you ever heard of anything like a ceremony that happened in this area?

P463: I have never heard.

I004: Okay and where were you born Mum?

P463: Parakuyo or we can say Mnazi.

I004: It is in which district?

P463: Kilosa.

I004: In Kilosa district

P463: Yes.

I004: Aaah in which ward?

P463: Mhhhh.

I004: Which Region?

P463: Kilosa Region, then when I got married I moved to Mvomero.

I004: Can you explain to me when you were young back at home which kind of a family did you have was it father, mother and children or was it you and your mother alone or it was father mother children and your Uncles and aunties in the same house or how was it?

P463: We stayed father, mother and us children until I got married and gave birth to my first born child and later on I had our second born child. So we stayed together until we have grown old and I have not seen any problem we are just okay.

I004: Okay

P463: There were some little problem here and there but we overcame them.

I004: Okay what were you doing in order to earn a living?

P463: We practiced pastoralism.

I004: What were your parents doing in order to earn a living?

P463: Just pastoralism.

I004: Pastoralism?

P463: Yes.

I004: What were the responsibilities of men in your family?

P463: Men were bulling women.

I004: When I say responsibilities I mean the work that the men were doing like this is the work of men and no woman should do it or any other person apart from the big men only which ones?

P463: Looking after the cows.

I004: Looking after the cows?

P463: Yes and also treating the cows whenever they are sick.

I004: What about women, what were their responsibilities?

P463: They go and fetch water, cooking and sweeping the house. That was the work of women only.

I004: When you were young during that time you were staying with your parents what kind of work were you and your other sisters doing?

P463: Our work was just playing looking after the small children taking them to the river playing with them and going to fetch firewood and back. That was the work of the children.

I004: And what about those young boys which kind of work were they doing?

P463: Those small boys when they grow up they start looking after the small goats when he grows he looks after the big goats then when he is old enough he now starts looking after the cows.

I004: How old were they when they start looking after the small goats?

P463: 5 to 6 years but when they reach 10 years they start looking after the cows.

I004: Okay and in your family who got a chance of going to school?

P463: let us say my siblings did not get a chance to go to school.

I004: What about you?

P463: When I grew up it is only our children whom we have taken to school because even my sister’s children have also gone to school.

I004: Can you explain to me the kind of food you were eating when you were young?

P463: I cannot remember but when we grew up maybe I can answer that.

I004: Okay, which kind of food were you eating before you got married?

P463: When we grew up we came to know that we have a farm that we grew maize and vegetables and so by that time we could eat rice today then tomorrow we take ugali then we had a farm that we grew bananas I can remember that very well because there was a friend to my parent who was also a Swahili and now we could eat maize, sorghum, bananas, ugali and we mix with milk, we could also eat meat.

I004: Who was farming?

P463: My father.

I004: Your father and what about your mother was she also do the farming?

P463: Yes.

I004: What about you the children?

P463: We could go and look after the cattle, look after the children and do the small work at home then when we grew up is when we also went to the farm.

I004: Okay which kind of food were you eating most of the time?

P463: Milk.

I004: And which food were you eating once in a while?

P463: Ugali.

I004: Ugali is what you did not take most of the times?

P463: Yes we could only take ugali during the day then in the evening we take milk and also in the morning when we wake up we also take milk then we take ugali during the day like that.

I004: And which food was prepared for special people only for example food for the women or men alone or for the children alone and no one else was to take because it is specifically for only the children which food is that?

P463: Meat.

I004: Meat?

P463: Yes.

I004: Which kinds of meat, kindly explain?

P463: A cow can be slaughtered and we take stew for 4 to 5 days then we fry meat that was taken most of the times then when it’s over, another one is slaughtered again.

I004: Which kind of meat I mean which part of the cow do you eat the meat from most of the time?

P463: Stake is fried with cooking oil then when it is dry they preserve them.

I004: Meat was important to which kind of people?

P463: It was important to everyone because if you want to eat you just take then eat.

I004: Which kind of food was important to the children alone and no one else could take it?

P463: To the small kids there was not any but when a cow is slaughtered, there is meat for the children.

I004: Which meat is that?

P463: The kidney.

I004: Kidneys are the meat for the Children?

P463: Yes.

I004: kids of which age took the kidneys?

P463: They were cut into small pieces for the children to have them.

I004: Which kind of meat was meant for only women?

P463: Liver.

I004: Liver?

P463: Yes.

I004: Liver was being eaten by which group?

P463: Mother’s.

I004: Mothers’ of which age?

P463: Older women.

I004: Like the grandmothers or?

P463: Yes the grandmothers or even a person of my age when the cow is slaughtered the liver is cut into pieces and we take it like that.

I004: When it is still raw?

P463: Yes.

I004: Why did you take it when it is raw?

P463: It was very sweet.

I004: When it is raw?

P463: Yes.

I004: Okay, I would also want to know where you were sourcing your food apart from the one you were growing because you told me your father was a farmer.

P463: We did not buy food because my father used to farm by himself and after harvest we store the food.

I004: So you did not buy food?

P463: Yes.

I004: Were there food that you could look for in the forest for example wild fruits vegetables?

P463: Most of the time we could eat vegetables when it is raining but when there is drought like now we do not, we only take milk.

I004: And which kind of vegetables were you taking?

P463: Amaranth.

I004: What else apart from amaranth?

P463: Amaranth mixed with meat and sweet potato leaves that are what we mostly take.

I004: And what about wild fruits you were using?

P463: Wild fruits that we ate were ngum I do not know the Swahili name.

I004: You have said they are called ngum?

P463: Yes and the others were makore I do not know their names.

I004: I would also like to know when you were young you have said that your parents were doing farming who was making the decision that this amount of food we use it at home then this amount of maize maybe we can sell it or this other amount we can exchange with someone and he gives us something else.

P463: It is my father.

I004: Your father was the one who made decision?

P463: Yes.

I004: Who else was involved in decision making?

P463: My mother.

I004: Your mother?

P463: Yes.

I004: And who made the very last decision?

P463: Just the father.

I004: Just the father?

P463: Yes.

I004: Okay and when you were growing up back at home in Kilosa, how did you know that this girl or boy has grown big are there things that you were supposed to see or how was it? Let us start with are girl.

P463: Her breast become large and she starts her menstruation period then we know that this girl has grown up.

I004: Okay is there a ceremony that you will do for her to celebrate that she has now become a grownup?

P463: Nothing was done it was just if you have got a man then he is welcomed to marry you.

I004: What about being danced for?

P463: Going for a dance is the first thing so the father held the dance then when you get your husband you go and get married.

I004: What about the boy child what was the indication that he is a grownup man and he is ready to marry?

P463: He just grows till we see he has grown.

I004: What do you see?

P463: The voice, when a man grows his voice also changes.

I004: Will he be danced for?

P463: Yes, he is danced for.

I004: Okay and what about you? What were the indications that you are now a grown up person?

P463: I do not know for myself but I can see others.

I004: Looking at yourself what did you see that made you say that now I am a grown up what made you know that?

P463: For me I don’t know I only heard people saying that now you should be danced for.

I004: Okay we done with our first part and we going to the second part. In our second part we want to know the kind of life you were living after you have become a grown up person. At first you told me you came to Mvomero after you got married to your husband.

P463: Yes.

I004: Do you remember the year you came to Mvomero?

P463: I came to Mvomero in 1973.

I004: 1973?

P463: Yes.

I004: And till you came to Mela how many years are those?

P463: I now have 30 years.

I004: 30 years in Mela?

P463: We first stayed in Mlandizi then we came to Mela.

I004: So how many years did you live in Mela?

P463: 10 years.

I004: You have 10 years in Mela?

P463: Yes.

I004: Okay and what made you move from Mlandizi and came to Mela?

P463: It is just because they wanted to separate farmer from pastoralist so they were giving people land so that they can farm that is what made us came to Mela there is no any other problem.

I004: And now, whom do you stay with?

P463: I stay with my Child.

I004: You stay with your Child?

P463: Yes, Salamba is my first Child because at first I gave birth to 5 Children then we separated with my husband so now I only remained with only one boy.

I004: Okay Mum. Which kind of work do you do so that you can earn a living?

P463: Just farming.

I004: Just farming?

P463: Yes.

I004: What about animal rearing?

P463: We also keep cattle but it does not have a lot of income because of drought like now in Mela is dry and there is no pasture for our cows to feed on, so sometimes we go to another village searching for a place to graze our cattle. Our plan is to reduce the number of cows because it is difficult to feed them and concentrate with farming.

I004: Okay Mum when you look at the kind of life you are living now here at your home and when you were staying with your parents do you see any change?

P463: Yes especially in farming because you have to wake up early in the morning and do farming in to get food for your family.

I004: What were you doing in the past?

P463: We were farming and also livestock rearing, we had many cows and there was plenty of food by then we could not sell cows because we had food.

I004: So nowadays you rely on farming and not pastoralism?

P463: Yes, we only remain with few cows for milking and selling once we get a buyer.

I004: Okay, apart from weather changes that makes you reduce the number of cows, what else have made you change the way you used to live in the past?

P463: We do not even understand what has brought about the changes because when we look at the rules that have come to our country is what has brought the change of not having many cows I mean it has made life to be very hard.

I004: And what are the responsibilities of a woman in your household?

P463: A woman?

I004: Yes in your household what are the responsibilities or the work of a woman?

P463: There is a lot of work both household chores and outside because I am the head of my household I am both a father and a mother so it is me who tell my child to take the cows to the field and now that there is drought I take the calves to go and suckles their mother’s milk there is no grass because of drought so when the cow comes back home in the evening I cannot even look at them because there is no time so I have a lot of work to do.

I004: You have a lot of work?

P463: Ohh yes.

I004: Like which work?

P463: Like household chores, going to the river to fetch water, fetching firewood, cooking, I go to the market and back then when the cows come back I count them and make sure that they are safe.

I004: And what are the responsibilities of your boys what kind of work do they do?

P463: One look after the cows and the other one operate a small business.

I004: Okay. Mum when we were here in the February this year, we heard that people in Mela have really changed the food they eat like now there are new types of food that have come up which were not there in the past and so it means the maasai in Mela nowadays the eat chicken, fish and others even chips enriched with eggs and also the preparation of food has also changed this days the maasai have stopped boiling food and they now fry them I would like to know in your opinion because you have stayed here in Mela for more than 10 years which changes have you seen or experienced both in the preparation and the types of food?

P463: Yes there are changes in the past we did not know how to fry vegetables or anything else but for now we know how to fry we can put onions we cook and eat. If you want fried potatoes you can fry them and eat but in my family they do not take fish and chicken but my brothers takes them I cannot lie there are those who eat fish, chicken and pig.

I004: And what has changed this days that you people fry food?

P463: Education.

I004: Education?

P463: Yes.

I004: How has education made you change the way you cook?

P463: Yes, just like the way we see people doing things we learn from them for example now we are trying to talk in Kiswahili well but in the past we couldn’t speak or understand what they say but nowadays at least can answer them and that is what has brought the change because for now our children have gone to school.

I004: How have your children going to school changed the way you eat?

P463: It has changed what we eat for example we can eat chicken we can eat fish and it has also changed on how we cook at home because we used to add milk in the food and we eat but today we can fry food and eat.

I004: I would like to understand due to your children going to school how have they come up with the idea of frying food because now you do not need to boil again where did you get this style of cooking food?

P463: They are taught in school.

I004: Okay what other reason that made you change the way you eat apart from education?

P463: I do not know.

I004: What about the mixture of tribes do you think it has also contributed to the change of your eating lifestyle for example you now stay with the Swahili’s could they have influenced your style of cooking and the kind of food that you eat?

P463: Yes, because they are the ones who have brought this.

I004: What about the availability of food could it has also made you change the way you eat?

P463: Yes.

I004: How?

P463: Mmmh I cannot even answer that.

I004: Why cannot you answer? Just answer the way you know how, is availability of food has made you change the way you eat?

P463: We are also surprised.

I004: May be food is not found because of climate changes or because you do not have money to buy food so does the in availability of food affected you till you changed the way you eat?

P463: We do not know may be the development that has come, has found people like us who do not even know how to embrace development we only follow what we do not even know it will lead us to which direction.

I004: Okay, you have mentioned many things Mum that made you to change the way of eating you have mentioned education, the interaction with other tribes and also the availability of food. I would like to know how the changes have affected you personally and your family?

P463: It has not affected me and my family.

I004: It has not affected you?

P463: Yes.

I004: And what are the benefits?

P463: Yes I have benefited a lot because my children are now educated.

I004: Okay we are talking about changes in your eating lifestyle, what are some of the benefits that you got?

P463: Mhhhh.

I004: In the past you used to boil food but now you can fry using cooking oil and onions what are the benefits that you have got from frying food using oil and onions, cooking different foods what are the benefits that you have experienced?

P463: We not got any benefit.

I004: You have not got any benefits?

P463: Yes.

I004: What about getting good health or eating tasty food?

P463: That is the only thing we got but there is no other benefit we are just like how we were in the past.

I004: So mother you want to tell me if we do away with this style of cooking using tomatoes and you are told just to boil food and put salt and milk will you go back there?

P463: Yes we shall go back; in fact I like adding milk to vegetables it is very sweet. Have you ever eaten that? It is very nice try one day.

I004: Okay Mother let us discuss about milk. I would like to know if milk is important to you and your family.

P463: Yes milk is very important.

I004: It is very important?

P463: Yes.

I004: What makes you say that milk is very important?

P463: What makes it important is because, when am taking ugali I need to have milk so that I can take ugali with milk.

I004: Okay.

P463: Mmmm when it comes to tea, I do not want to take tea without milk I prefer taking tea with milk and also before I take food I want to take milk first then I eat that is what makes me healthy.

I004: That is what makes you healthy. What other reason makes milk important in your family?

P463: When I do not take milk like the whole month I lose weight and I feel weak like something has affected my body.

I004: Something that affects your body what is that thing that you see affecting your body mostly?

P463: I feel like I am having pain is like I am sick.

I004: Why do you say milk is very important in your body?

P463: I do not know I am even surprised because I just like it you see now I have grown thin because there is no milk because of drought.

I004: What about in the preparation of food, is milk important in the preparation of food?

P463: Yes.

I004: How is it important?

P463: Milk is important to a person because even if you eat food you also take milk but for vegetables when you eat them and you do not have milk they are not good. So you must eat and take milk at the same time.

I004: Why is it that vegetable without milk are not good?

P463: We are used to add milk in our food.

I004: In every food or vegetables?

P463: Yes.

I004: When you cook you add milk?

P463: Yes.

I004: When you cook amaranth you add milk?

P463: Yes.

I004: Okay Mum I would like to know what has led to unavailability of milk because when we came here in February we found out that people here in Mela have a problem in getting milk and also the is an increase in the price of milk and so I want to know what is main reason that contributed to the shortage of milk?

P463: There is no pasture.

I004: There is no pasture?

P463: Yes.

I004: Any other reason that has led to the unavailability of milk?

P463: It is only that there is no pasture.

I004: What has led to the loss of pasture?

P463: I am also surprised why is it that grass does not grow here in Mela?

I004: What makes grass not to grow here in Mela?

P463: We are also surprised may be it is because many cows have stepped on them till they do not grow again.

I004: A part from cows stepping on all the grass what else has led to the reduction of milk here in Mela?

P463: We are also surprised you think we have the answers? We are also having problems because at first there was a lot of grass and the cows were just many but we have seen as the year goes by the grass reduces.

I004: May be due to climate change do you think it could be the reason why grass has reduced?

P463: I do not know because last year it did not rain as expected we had very little rain so it was dry almost thought out the year.

I004: What about conflicts have it also led to the reduction of milk in Mela?

P463: Conflicts?

I004: Yes, may be conflicts among the communities?

P463: I do not know because it is also there.

I004: It is also there?

P463: Yes.

I004: Why do you say it is there?

P463: Conflicts?

I004: Yes.

P463: Do you know who the first people in Mela were? They were the Swahili people then the Maasai came so conflict are very many.

I004: Which types of conflict are many?

P463: Because everyone wants to stay in Mela.

I004: Everyone wants to stay in Mela?

P463: Yes.

I004: That is what has made everyone to stay in Mela?

P463: That is why we do not have enough pasture for our cows to feed on and when cows lack enough grass they reduce the production of milk but when they get enough pasture they produce a lot of milk.

I004: When you say that everyone wants to stay in Mela and so the rate of milk has reduced I do not understand can you please explain to me how does the people come and stay in Mela affects the reduction of milk.

P463: Everybody wants to stay in Mela and we feel that some of them have come to bewitch Mela.

I004: They have come to?

P463: Bewitch.

I004: Bewitch?

P463: Yes that is why maybe there is no grass growing in Mela.

I004: Okay Mum I thank you for your good answers. I want us to talk a bit about buying of food. Who from your homestead buys food?

P463: My elder boy.

I004: Your elder boy?

P463: Yes.

I004: Which kind of food does he buy?

P463: He only buys maize.

I004: Only maize?

P463: Yes.

I004: What about vegetables and fruits?

P463: He brings vegetables most of the time because he can bring amaranth, meat and sometimes he brings beans.

I004: Okay and who makes the decision that this amount of money should be used to buy a certain amount of food?

P463: It is just my boy.

I004: And who else helps in making decisions?

P463: Me.

I004: And who makes final decision that this money should be used in buying food?

P463: Me.

I004: It is you?

P463: Yes.

I004: Okay Mum, I would like also to know the distance between here and the market place and the distance between your parent’s home and the market where you go to buy food where is far?

P463: Going to the market it is far.

I004: So where is far between your place to the market and your parents place to the market?

P463: Here.

I004: It is here?

P463: Yes.

I004: Okay the way you buy food in market here in Mela and the way you used to buy food back in Kilosa with your parents is there any difference in the buying of food?

P463: Yes.

I004: Which ones?

P463: In Kilosa food was cheap but here in Mela food is expensive.

I004: How was food cheap in Kilosa?

P463: We bought it at a lower price.

I004: Which kind of food were you buying at a lower price?

P463: Even rice, maize, vegetables the price was lower but here we find that the price is higher.

I004: what is the reason that food in Kilosa was of a lower price while here it is of a higher price?

P463: In Kilosa they plant food like sorghum, maize is also planted even a lot of vegetables.

I004: Okay and which kind of food that when you go to the market nowadays you cannot find them and in the past you could find them?

P463: T	hey are all there.

I004: They are all there?

P463: Yes.

I004: Even eggs of a duck?

P463: Yes.

I004: Do you know eggs of a duck?

P463: Yes.

I004: Have you ever eaten eggs of a duck?

P463: No, I have not.

I004: Why have you not eaten them?

P463: I only see them.

I004: Why have you never eaten them?

P463: Aah I do not want them even for the chicken I do not eat.

I004: Have you found out why you do not take chicken eggs?

P463: My heart does not like.

I004: Your heart does not like it?

P463: Yes.

I004: Mum I would like us to talk about the way we prepare food especially in your family how do you prepare food?

P463: When it is harvesting time it is when you go and buy food and bring home.

I004: You have said that for now you are dealing with farming does it mean you do not use your products for food?

P463: We use them as well as we buy because you will find that sometimes there is a lot of food especially when it is harvesting season so we buy food a lower price so we sometimes decide to sell our cow and buy more food so as we have enough food until the rain comes again, as well as you plan for any eventuality like drought because we do not have control over that.

I004: When we talk about the time that you have harvested how do you prepare food for your family how do you cook it so that people can eat it?

P463: You take maize to the milling machine so as to grind them and get maize flour then you bring it home.

I004: What about cooking how do you cook?

P463: When it reaches that time of cooking food you go and cook.

I004: Okay how do you cook?

P463: Like ugali you put a cooking pan on fire put water then when the water boils you add flour and you cook.

I004: What about rice?

P463: For rice you also do the same you put water in the cooking pan when it boils you put rice in.

I004: You do not put cooking oil?

P463: We put it early.

I004: I would like you to explain the procedure you use in cooking your green vegetables.

P463: Vegetables there are those you start by boiling first.

I004: Which ones do you boil first?

P463: Pumpkin leaves you wash them then you boil when the water get finished, you now cut onions and tomatoes and you start frying them then if you have milk you add then when it boils you remove and cook it’s accompaniment either ugali or rice.

I004: What about those that you do not boil how do you cook them?

P463: You just wash then you put on fire when the water that it had gets finished you now put in cooking oil and all the other ingredients.

I004: Okay Mother I thank you for your good answer but I would like us to look at how you prepare food day by day in your homestead. What makes you cook the food that you cook for example when you want to cook ugali or rice what pushes you to cook those foods for your family?

P463: Hunger.

I004: Hunger?

P463: Yes.

I004: Any other reason that makes you cooks what you cook what is it?

P463: It is hunger because you can cook food now and eats then you stay a bit and feel hungry again so you go back and cook again even if it is vegetables or beans you cook and eat. Sometimes you have a lot of food in the house sometimes you buy flour, maize, bananas so the children can say today we want bananas then I cook the following day they say today we want rice okay we cook if today we want ugali we cook so that is also there that is if you have a lot of food in the house because children will tell you today we want this food tomorrow we want that.

I004: At first you told me if there is no food in the home then second what the kids like which other reason makes you cook what you cook in your home?

P463: The children.

I004: From these reasons of having food in the house and also children choices which is the most important reason that makes you cook what you usually cook at home what comes first?

P463: What comes first?

I004: Yes.

P463: The children.

I004: Children?

P463: Yes.

I004: Why do you say children are the main reason of you cooking what you cook?

P463: They can cry over it and when a child cries for something you can even cook even when you yourself do not want to cook.

I004: Mother, thank you for your good answers we are done with our second part and now let’s go to the third part which is about how you can handle the different problems that deal with food in the family since you were young and now that you have your own home. Did you ever encounter food shortage in your community or have you ever experienced hunger when you were growing up and also currently and if so when was it?

P463: I cannot remember that.

I004: You cannot remember?

P463: I cannot remember because there are years that there was hunger but I do not remember the year.

I004: Okay, like when you a grownup person which time did you people of Mela experienced hunger?

P463: There is the year that we experienced hunger in the year 2005.

I004: It was like how many months that you experienced hunger in 2005?

P463: so many from the month of October November December January 2006 February then it rained in March.

I004: During that period what made you to have food problems?

P463: There was no rain.

I004: There was no rain?

P463: Yes.

I004: Okay and how did you get food?

P463: We could sell cows and then go buy food in the market.

I004: Any other work that you did in order to get food a part from selling cows could you take the children to your brother’s place maybe?

P463: It was just us ourselves we go sell the cow then go to the market buy food and bring home.

I004: And in that period how many meals did you have in a day?

P463: We just use a small amount of money because my family is not big.

I004: Okay how your portions like? Was it a small portion or you were eating until you get full?

P463: We ate that which we could get full.

I004: Okay and who was mostly affected during that time when there was hunger in your household?

P463: My father Mambega, do you know Mambega?

I004: Were you staying with him in the same house?

P463: No, he stays near us.

I004: I am talking about you family who in your household was most affected by hunger?

P463: Me.

I004: you?

P463: Yes.

I004: Why do you say it was you who was really affected?

P463: Because by that time my boy was still young and as a child he could only go and look after the cow then I was the one who could sell the cows and buy food for the family and at the same time I was doing a small business.

I004: Which kind of business did you do?

P463: I could sell soda and also food.

I004: Do you still sell soda and food nowadays or you have stopped?

P463: I stopped because we had already moved to Mela and back at home I had been taken to my uncle and I had children so I could not continue with the work because no one could take care of my children.

I004: Okay Mother, I would like us to talk about our last item which is about how the information or education about healthy eating lifestyle for good health in your household or in the community of the people of Mela, have you ever heard about this news?

P463: I have heard it here in Mela.

I004: And where did you hear about healthy lifestyle and nutritious food from?

P463: There were people who came and training just like you.

I004: Training like us?

P463: Yes.

I004: What is the importance of this information to you?

P463: It helped us because you know what you can do in order to get food and get prepared for the next season earlier enough you can also go and buy your vegetables and preserve them we have got the training and we have them here.

I004: Mhhh and do you think this trainings or information in important to you?

P463: It is of importance to us because at first we did not know but now because of these teachings we have known.

I004: Okay and how can we bring this information or education to the people of Mela in order for you and your community to hear about them and also work on them as one?

P463: I do not know how it should be brought.

I004: What are your views on it so that the news can reach them and they are able to change their way of eating so that they can have good health what do we do so that it can reach the people of Mela?

P463: They build for us markets for us to know.

I004: What about taking them to schools, hospitals, churches, mosques do you think this information will reach people of Mela?

P463: I have not heard from them buy it is okay you can still use them.

I004: So how can we bring them so that you can hear about them how do you want them to come?

P463: Even in the hospitals it is good even if it is in the churches because that is also good.

I004: And you how will this news reach you?

P463: they will reach me because I go to the hospital I go to church and so I will get everything.

I004: Okay and whom do you think can be of help to make this information reach you?

P463: Will be of help to what?

I004: Will be of help to make this information reach you whom do we take or use so that it can reach you?

P463: Pastors and doctors.

I004: Pastors and doctors?

P463: Yes

I004: Thank you very much Mother we have come to an end of our interview.