Interviewer(s): I003
Interviewee(s): P474

I003: If we may start our interview. You have said that you are 30 years old, you were born in this village, you have five children and you have attended school up class seven and your main economic activity is livestock keeping but you also engage yourself in farming.

P474: Mmmm…

I003: If we may continue with the interview, in the past before you met [Husband] and got married to him, which type of homestead did you live in…were there more than one household where for example you would go to uncles, aunties or grandmothers house to eat food or it was just an independent household just there at home?

P474: It was just there at home.

I003: There were no other homesteads around?

P474: No.

I003: And where did you come from?

P474: Just here Kambala.

I003: You came from Kambala village?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: And how many were you born in your family?

P474: We are 4 girls and 4 boys.

I003: Therefore, you are eight in total?

P474: Yes.

I003: How many are educated?

P474: Only two children.

I003: Who are the two?

P474: Me and my sister.

I003: Therefore, the boys are not educated?

P474: Yes, they do not want.

I003: They do not want or they were denied education?

P474: No. They refused themselves.

I003: Really?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: So why did you like school?

P474: I even do not know myself but I found myself just liking.

I003: I would like to know the work that the male and female children did you as a girl child, what was your major role?

P474: The roles we played?

I003: Yes for instance when you wake up in the morning, which work did you do?

P474: We washed clothes, we cooked.

I003: That was your work, another one?

P474: Fetching firewood and water from the river.

I003: That was now the role of female children?

P474: Eeeeeh.

I003: Okay, and what was the role of male children?

P474: There work was to look after livestock.

I003: Therefore, that was their work?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: What about at home, what role did they play?

P474: They treated cattle’s.

I003: You mean they injected with needle?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: That was there major role?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: What about constructing a house or a homestead, whose work was that for instance constructing a house like this one?

P474: They would look for Swahili’s to construct.

I003: What did they construct or they did not construct anything?

P474: They have never constructed anything.

I003: Who constructed a cattle yard?

P474: It is them the boys who constructed it.

I003: Didn’t the girl child construct it too or it was a difficult work?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: And what was father’s major role?

P474: The father?

I003: Mmmm, what was father’s major role?

P474: It was just farming.

I003: He never went to look after cattle?

P474: No, he did not.

I003: Hahahaaa…! Who brought food home?

P474: It was him my father.

I003: What about the mother, what was here role?

P474: She assisted the female children.

I003: Eeeeh, therefore you assisted each other with the girls?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: Ooooh, therefore the girls helped each other with the mother and on the other side the boys assisted the father?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: The father cannot assist each other with the female children?

P474: No.

I003: There is no work that you can help each other out with the father?

P474: No.

I003: Therefore, it was the male child that assisted the father?

P474: Yes.

I003: It is okay. Now if we may look at other issues of food there at home, which meals (foods) was your favourite?

P474: It was ugali, rice and kande.

I003: But which food was the most favourite?

P474: It was ugali.

I003: You ate ugali with which vegetables?

P474: We ate with milk.

I003: Mmmm, which foods did you eat rarely?

P474: It was rice.

I003: Rice?

P474: Yes.

I003: With which vegetables for instance?

P474: With beans.

I003: That is what you ate rarely?

P474: Yes.

I003: How was it that day when rice and beans were cooked?

P474: It was just okay.

I003: Didn’t you feel bad and may be you wish it was ugali.

P474: No.

I003: How is ugali, is it sweet or why do people like it?

P474: It is sweet.

I003: Because is it added salt?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: Hahahaaa! Now if it added salt, don’t you think people will like it/prefer it more than rice?

P474: No.

I003: I also want you to tell me which foods do the male or female children like or preferred most?

P474: It was ugali and fermented milk.

I003: May be if we go to another question, you have said you used to eat ugali most of the time, did you practice farming?

P474: Yes.

I003: Which crops did you grow?

P474: Maize.

I003: Did you used to buy the food too?

P474: No. We do not buy.

I003: Therefore, they are just what you cultivate?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: You planted how many acres of maize?

P474: Like five acres of land.

I003: Therefore, that food is enough for a whole year?

P474: Yes.

I003: That is fine. Which foods did you buy?

P474: We used to buy rice.

I003: What of vegetables?

P474: We bought.

I003: What of beans?

P474: We bought Amaranth vegetables.

I003: Did you grow beans?

P474: No, we do not grow.

I003: Therefore, you only buy beans?

P474: Yes.

I003: Then you also buy amaranth vegetables?

P474: Yes.

I003: But there also have vegetables that are found in the bush/wild?

P474: Eeee.

I003: Like which one?

P474: like wild amaranth.

I003: And which other one? Name them.

P474: Embokasirkoy

I003: Mmmm, another one that embokasirkoy is the one called jute mallow (mlenda)?

P474: That is not jute mallow although jute mallow is also available.

I003: How do you call jute mallow in Maasai language?

P474: It is called Ngirende.

I003: Any other?

P474: They are just those ones.

I003: What about bitter lettuce. Do you know them?

P474: Yes.

I003: I hope you also eat them.

P474: Yes.

I003: So were you the one who used to fetch them?

P474: Yes.

I003: So, who else used to get them?

P474: Ourselves.

I003: What of the male children?

P474: No. They did not.

I003: You said when you were young your father provided for the family and he was responsible to provide food for the family?

P474: Yes.

I003: Now who decided that this is the food that we will buy or they both discussed?

P474: Yes. Both of them discussed.

I003: You the children were not involved?

P474: No.

I003: Now we look at another issue. We have different communities whereby they now say that a child is now an adult. What is it that made this girl or boy child now become an adult person. Beginning with a female child, what is it that made you know that she is now a grown-up woman?

P474: You will just know by looking at her body.

I003: You will know by looking at the body size, by years or what is it?

P474: By years.

I003: Like how many years?

P474: 20 years.

I003: And when she grows to an adult woman, what happens?

P474: She gets married.

I003: Is the traditional dance (initiation) still there today?

P474: Yes, it is still there.

I003: How is it when you finish?

P474: You are married off.

I003: After the initiation?

P474: Yes.

I003: Can someone be initiated (danced) even before she completes schooling?

P474: Yes she can.

I003: You were initiated when you completed studies then married off?

P474: One could still be initiated to adulthood while still in school.

I003: Now what did they look at before being initiated to adulthood because you said others were initiated after completing studies while others were initiated while still studying…what did they look at?

P474: They look at the age.

I003: At what age do they initiate now?

P474: Others are initiated when they are 19 years old while others when they reach 20 years old.

I003: Now at what age is a girl initiated to adulthood? Is it when she is in class one or when she gets to class seven?

P474: Others are initiated while still young.

I003: So they will still be danced for even when she gets to secondary school?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: Ahaaa…so when she is initiated is when she now graduates to adulthood?

P474: Ohh yes.

I003: What of a male child, are they initiated when they are what age?

P474: Yes. When they are grown up enough.

I003: When he is now initiated, what does he become afterwards?

P474: He becomes a Moran.

I003: They graduate from what stage to become a Moran?

P474: From Layon to a Moran.

I003: He graduates from Layon to become a Moran?

P474: Yes.

I003: What happens, do they go through traditional dance?

P474: Mmmm

I003: What happens when they dance?

P474: They are circumcised the same happens to girls.

I003: Even the girls are circumcised?

P474: Yes.

I003: Okay. How many days does the initiation ceremony last?

P474: It takes 2-3 days.

I003: Why is it that some takes 2 days, others 3days?

P474: It depends with the traditions of the people others even take 4 days.

I003: So, that is the reason?

P474: Yes.

I003: Now lets us get out from those days when you were still a young girl, so were you initiated into adulthood?

P474: Yes.

I003: For how many days?

P474: For four days.

I003: Okay, So you are married for how many years?

P474: For 19 years.

I003: And here at home, apart from farming what else do you do?

P474: Farming and livestock rearing.

I003: Another thing, if you look at the environment here and your original home where you came from, is it the same or it is different?

P474: It is the same.

I003: Don’t you think your life changed since you came here?

P474: No, it is still the same.

I003: The environment has not affected you in any way?

P474: No.

I003: Now lets us talk about the work that you used to do while at your home and what you are doing now. Is it the same or it is different?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: Really? How old is your elder child?

P474: He is 11 years old.

I003: If he is 11 years old, does he go to school?

P474: Yes.

I003: In which class?

P474: He is in class 2.

I003: Ahaaa, does he do any work?

P474: No.

I003: His work is just schooling?

P474: Eeeeh .

I003: Now who looks after cattle and goats?

P474: The two young boys you see them here.

I003: Where did you get them?

P474: They belong here, they are mine.

I003: Are they grown-ups?

P474: No. They are still Layon.

I003: And they take the cattle that far for grazing or just goats?

P474: Goats alone.

I003: But don’t you have cattle too?

P474: I do own cattle but they don’t take them for grazing, they only look after goats.

I003: Who takes the cattle to the river?

P474: They go themselves.

I003: They go themselves?

P474: Yes.

I003: Really?

P474: Yes.

I003: You have really train them. Don’t you fear people will still them?

P474: No.

I003: I just hear that you can leave your cattle to your fellow herders to graze for you then you travel elsewhere?

P474: Yes, others do so but for us no.

I003: You just leave them to go on their own?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: Don’t you fear they might go and not come back home?

P474: No.

I003: They do not get lost on the way?

P474: No, they come back home themselves.

I003: Okay so you have really train them! Therefore the role of these young boys is just to graze?

P474: Yes.

I003: They have not reached school going age?

P474: Not yet.

I003: Okay, Let us go to another topic about food matters. If we may look at the food (diet) in the past, you will find out that there were some foods which you used to eat but you no longer eat them nowadays or, there were some foods which you never used to eat in the past days or were not available but you eat them nowadays or, there were some foods that you used to boil in the past but today you fry them with fat, onions, tomatoes….you fry it well. Is it true or false?

P474: It is true.

I003: What about the foods that were not available in the past but you eat them nowadays?

P474: For example, cassava, arrowroots.

I003: And which foods did you eat when there were ceremonies but are prepared nowadays in your households and you just eat them well?

P474: White rice.

I003: Mmmm…but today how is it cooked?

P474: Nowadays, it is cooked with oil, added onions.

I003: Ahaaa…therefore even the cooking method has changed in that the way food was prepared in the past is different from how it is prepared today?

P474: Yes.

I003: Okay, you have acknowledged that there are changes that have occurred maybe I should ask you if you are eating chicken.

P474: Yes.

I003: And what else didn’t you used to eat in the past but you eat them nowadays?

P474: Eggs, fish.

I003: Why don’t you eat fish?

P474: It smells.

I003: What of pork?

P474: We do not eat.

I003: Why don’t you eat pork?

P474: It is bad.

I003: Bad?

P474: Yes.

I003: What is it that has made you think you can eat this and you cannot eat fried food, green vegetables which you did not eat in the past? The fried eggs and chips which were not there in the past but is now available, do you eat them?

P474: Yes.

I003: What made you change and eat these foods? Have you ever asked yourself?

P474: It is because nowadays we have varieties of foods.

I003: What about availability?

P474: Yes.

I003: You mean these foods were not available in the past?

P474: Yes, they were not available in the past.

I003: So you mean people are eating these new foods (meals) because they are available?

P474: Yes.

I003: Another reason…do you think it is because in the past the Maasai’s alone lived in this village but today there are many tribe and could have contributed to these changes?

P474: Ohh yes.

I003: Like which tribes? Gogo’s?

P474: They are here.

I003: Which other people are here? what of the Lugulu’s?

P474: I do not know but the Pare’s are in this village.

I003: Don’t you think the coming of these other tribes like the Pare’s and the Gogo’s could have contributed to these changes in the diet?

P474: Yes, they have contributed.

I003: Okay, Another one? Maybe drought whereby for instance you need milk but you don’t get?

P474: The drought?

I003: Yes, do you think drought contributed to these changes?

P474: Yes.

I003: Really?

P474: Yes.

I003: Therefore, out of all those that I have named for example the foodstuffs that you find in the market, shops, cows not producing milk as a result of drought, or people eating vegetables or you go to another family/ceremony and you find people eating different meals like the kande etc. What do you think is the major reason that has contributed to these changes? Do you think drought is a major factor that has contributed to the change of diet or what is it?

P474: Mmmm, It is drought.

I003: Another thing? Don’t you think it is because people are educated?

P474: Yes, education has also contributed to others.

I003: Really? for others when they educated enough they change diet?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: Really?

P474: Yes.

I003: Okay, is it the more education that people acquire is what has contributed much to the change in the diet or there is something else that has contributed?

P474: No.

I003: Between drought and education, which one has contributed most?

P474: It is drought.

I003: Just the way you mentioned about these changes, whom do you think is mostly affected? These foods for instance you see people eating rice, pilau, chips etc.…do you think it affects the Maasai very much?

P474: No.

I003: It has no harm at all?

P474: Not at all.

I003: Really?

P474: Yes.

I003: The Maasai of the past is the same Maasai today?

P474: Yes.

I003: He has no problem?

P474: Yes.

I003: When it comes to livestock rearing, is it doing well as a result of these changes?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: Now if we may talk about the availability of milk. We have seen that it has become scarce because of the persistent drought in that if you buy milk, it is expensive unlike in the past where one could go to a brother/sister and borrows milk and he/she is given but nowadays you buy, is it true?

P474: Yes.

I003: Therefore, of what importance is the milk to you do you think it is of any help in your life?

P474: Ohh yes.

I003: Of what importance is the milk?

P474: It is used as food.

I003: It is important because it is used as food?

P474: Used as food, it substitutes vegetables.

I003: Okay…of what importance is milk to your family?

P474: It is used to feed the infant children.

I003: You use it to feed the children. Do you sell the same milk?

P474: No.

I003: Is it milk from cows or goats?

P474: It is milk from cow.

I003: On a good season when milk is in plenty how many litres of milk do you get in a day in this family?

P474: 10 litres in a day.

I003: Do you consume all the milk here at home?

P474: Yes.

I003: Really?

P474: Yes.

I003: You said you get 10 litres. Do you consume all the ten litres here at home?

P474: Yes.

I003: In the morning and evening?

P474: In the morning alone.

I003: How many times do you milk the cows in a day?

P474: we milk them in the morning and evening.

I003: How many litres do you get in the morning?

P474: 10 litres.

I003: What of evening?

P474: Still 10 litres.

I003: 10 litres again therefore making it 20 litres. Do you also take milk?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: Hahahaaa! So all of you in this family have milk, even these kids?

P474: Yes, I even teach them how to make ghee.

I003: Do you have ghee in your household?

P474: No.

I003: Okay do you sell it?

P474: Yes but when I have in excess.

I003: How much do you sell a litre?

P474: We sell 5 litres at Tsh 30000.

I003: Who is selling ghee right now?

P474: Right now, it is not there.

I003: Don’t you know any neighbour who sells ghee now?

P474: No.

I003: Are these children twins?

P474: Yes.

I003: Therefore, it is drought that mostly contributes to these changes?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: Another thing which contributed to this?

P474: It is just that one.

I003: What if you talk about the type of cows that you have don’t you think it has contributed to the milk shortage?

P474: Not at all.

I003: You say not at all. Could you kindly elaborate or you only look at dry spell as a major factor that led to milk shortage?

P474: Yes it is.

I003: Is there another reason?

P474: No.

I003: Like conflicts between the farmers and herders. Is it there?

P474: Yes.

I003: Does it lead to milk shortage?

P474: When cattle are taken for grazing, the farmers do not want.

I003: So you find that the cattle just remain in the dry areas?

P474: Yes.

I003: Another reason?

P474: When the calf stops suckling its mother early.

I003: Why does it stop early?

P474: Because the mother denies its calf milk.

I003: Another reason that contributes…what of diseases like the respiratory diseases etc. Do you think they contribute to low milk productivity?

P474: Yes.

I003: Do we have livestock diseases today compared with the past?

P474: Yes.

I003: Like which diseases?

P474: Magoku, Ukuluk…

I003: Ukuluk?

P474: Eeeh.

I003: Those are the diseases?

P474: Yes.

I003: What are the symptoms?

P474: Mucus discharge, pain/swollen of cattle hoofs, and sometimes their hoofs has wounds?

I003: Is it the one that causes a crack?

P474: Yes.

I003: Okay another one?

P474: Another is pangpang.

I003: Pangpang?

P474: Yes.

I003: How is it, does it pain much?

P474: Ohh yes.

I003: Mmmm. Do you treat them?

P474: Yes.

I003: And they get healed?

P474: Yes.

I003: While still under treatment, does milk production increase or decrease?

P474: It decreases.

I003: Now do you think all these factors like diseases, dry spell, and early delectation by calves and conflicts contribute to the milk shortage?

P474: Yes.

I003: Which one is a major factor?

P474: Of course it is the drought.

I003: Okay. Then followed by?

P474: Diseases.

I003: Mmmm do you think conflicts also contribute?

P474: Yes.

I003: Let us now look at the issue of food. Here at home, which foods do you cook most of the time (favourite food)?

P474: It is ugali.

I003: If it is ugali, with whom do you decide that today I will cook ugali or you just make the decision alone?

P474: I decide myself.

I003: It is only you who makes a decision?

P474: Eeeeeh.

I003: Does the husband also decide?

P474: Sometimes he also decides.

I003: And who goes to the market to buy food?

P474: It is my husband.

I003: You send him or he goes himself?

P474: He goes himself.

I003: Why don’t you as a mother go and buy food is it because of money or there is something else?

P474: I do not know, may be because he is the one with money.

I003: Therefore, a woman is not supposed to go to the market to buy food so your work is to stay at home

P474: Yes, my work is to stay at home.

I003: And the food is brought?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: Why don’t you tell him to go and fetch green vegetables?

P474: No, he cannot accept.

I003: So he will refuses, who goes then?

P474: I am forced to go and bring home

I003: So you have to go?

P474: Yes.

I003: If you look at the past when you were young then compare with today, do you think it was easier to get food today or it was easier in those days?

P474: It is easier today.

I003: Why do you say it is easier today? Is it because of the many shops today or?

P474: Yes we have many shops today compared with the past and also nowadays we have a variety of foodstuff in the market.

I003: Do you have a food market here in Kambala?

P474: Yes.

I003: Another reason, do you have people who pass here with bicycles hawking food?

P474: Yes, we have them.

I003: Therefore at the moment you eat chicken?

P474: Yes.

I003: Even your husband?

P474: In fact he likes it much.

I003: Therefore, everybody in the family now eats chicken?

P474: Yes.

I003: Do children eat chicken and eggs?

P474: Yes, they eat.

I003: Even your husband eats them all?

P474: Yes.

I003: So chicken does not smell like fish?

P474: the fresh one smells but the dried ones no

I003: Okay. I kindly request you to tell me one thing…you cook a variety of food like ugali, the following day you may decide to cook rice, kande, after some time again cassava and banana etc. What is it that makes you cook these different meals?

P474: It is because of appetite.

I003: Appetite?

P474: Yes.

I003: Appetite on your side only or even the children and the husband?

P474: It is on all of us.

I003: Another thing that makes you cook these foods for instance why cook rice on certain days instead of ugali or why cook ugali on some days and not rice?

P474: It is because of appetite

I003: Appetite only?

P474: Yes.

I003: Therefore, let’s say if you wish to eat rice for one whole week you can do so, don’t you think it is because maybe you do not have enough money or it is because you have appetite for rice?

P474: No.

I003: Don’t you think it is drought that causes this situation?

P474: No.

I003: So appetite is the major reason that you cook the food you want to eat.

P474: Yes.

I003: Lets us look at another issue. We are almost concluding. If we may go back to the past when you were still a young child, could you tell me if there was a time you experienced acute hunger the time people were sleeping hungry because there were no food and sometimes you were forced to eat kididio? Do you know kididio?

P474: Yes. I know Kididio it is a food that is cooked like a porridge that is used as relish so you can eat with Ugali

I003: Okay. Which cheap food did you eat; I mean type of food that if one could see, he would say it belongs to the poor, which food was it?

P474: It was that kididio.

I003: Which other food that one would consider was eaten by those without money?

P474: It was still Ugali.

I003: Ugali?

P474: Yes.

I003: It is okay. Now tell me during which period did you experience a difficulty whereby there was no food? Have you ever slept hungry?

P474: You mean while still young children?

I003: Yes.

P474: Yes we have.

I003: How was it and how many days did it take?

P474: On some days.

I003: Lets us now talk of when you were grown-ups. Was money a big problem, food was expensive, there was drought and you would eat ugali rarely, which year was that? did it happen in the first place?

P474: Yes.

I003: Which year?

P474: In the past years.

I003: When you were married?

P474: No.

I003: Was it like last year?

P474: Yes.

I003: How was it? There were no foods?

P474: Yes.

I003: now how did you survive?

P474: We used to take porridge.

I003: You added water and little milk as there was no milk?

P474: Yes.

I003: Therefore, that is what you took during that time?

P474: Yes.

I003: What did your father (parents) do in order to get food? Did they sell cattle or what did they do?

P474: Yes, they sold cattle.

I003: Now who was much affected during that time? Was it the father, mother, children or the old people? …or it didn’t take many days?

P474: It took long.

I003: It took many days?

P474: Yes.

I003: I hear some people say it last year there was a worst drought that killed livestock?

P474: Yes. It was last year.

I003: You mean there was food shortage?

P474: There was no food shortage.

I003: There was no food shortage?

P474: Not that much but the livestock (cattle) died.

I003: So the human beings had food?

P474: Yes.

I003: So what of other people?

P474: Some people did not have food.

I003: So, they took porridge, milk?

P474: Yes.

I003: And you what did you do to overcome the situation?

P474: We just ate ugali.

I003: Ugali with what?

P474: With vegetables.

I003: It means you had lots of cash. You were rich?

P474: Hahahaaa...! We did not have cash. It was the husband who ran up and down to look for food.

I003: Okay. I now request that we go to the last question. In this village, if one wishes to acquire education concerning matters of food and good balanced diet like eating vegetables, fruits etc. Where do you get such education?

P474: We consult a doctor.

I003: Have you ever attended a seminar where there is a group of people then you are taught?

P474: No.

I003: what if you go to the hospital, don’t they advise you to eat for instance this and that?

P474: They do tell us.

I003: Where is the other place where they tell you that?

P474: I do not know.

I003: Are you educated?

P474: Yes.

I003: Haven’t you been taught in school?

P474: Ooh yes! We have been taught…. Hahaaa!

I003: Therefore, you are taught in school?

P474: Yes.

I003: What about at home or through your friends for instance?

P474: There is no friend who tells you eat this is good for your health.

I003: What of in ceremonies, don’t you have friends who advice you on diet?

P474: No.

I003: What of church?

P474: No.

I003: Therefore, it is mostly in schools and hospitals?

P474: Yes.

I003: What did they say/teach in the hospital?

P474: That we eat green vegetables

I003: That is what the doctor said?

P474: Eeeeh.

I003: Now after eating green vegetables did it help?

P474: Yes.

I003: Okay thank you. For instance want to bring a project here will you be interested in the project or you don’t want?

P474: We want it.

I003: You want it?

P474: Yes.

I003: Fine. If you may suggest, what should we do so that the information is disseminated to all people? I mean so that every woman, man or the whole family attend the project, what should we do?

P474: You just train them.

I003: I mean how should we call them in which way? What should we do to ensure that everybody comes or attends to the seminar or we move from house to house or what should we do?

P474: You make public announcements and we come there.

I003: Ahaa…we announce then you come to the seminar?

P474: Yes.

I003: Now in your community if we call them will they come or we need to do something so that they come?

P474: No, you just call them and they will come.

I003: If we call them, they will just come.

P474: Yes.

I003: Okay. Now if they will come, should we pass the information through pupils in schools so that they deliver the message to the parents or what should we do?

P474: Yes.

I003: Do you think it will reach everyone Village?

P474: Mmmm.

I003: Do many children go to school?

P474: Yes.

I003: What of churches?

P474: Even through churches.

I003: And what about mosques. Do you have mosques here?

P474: No. We don’t have mosques in this place.

I003: Do we have radio stations in this place?

P474: We don’t have radio stations.

I003: Now for instance, who should we target most in our teachings Is it the women, men, children or the elderly?

P474: The women (mothers) mostly.

I003: Why mothers?

P474: Because she is the one who cooks.

I003: So men should not be trained?

P474: No.

I003: But they the ones who go to buy food?

P474: I can still go.

I003: Hahahaaa! Therefore, the most important person is the mother (woman)

P474: Yes.

I003: Now who would you wish to train you? Is it us or you want to train yourself?

P474: We want you to teach us.

I003: You want us to teach you?

P474: Yes.

I003: Don’t you want to teach yourselves?

P474: No.

I003: I appreciate your time I have completed my interview, unless you have any questions.

P474: I have no questions.

I003: You have no question?

P474: Yes.

I003: I thank you for answering my questions well and God willing we will meet another day. Thank you