Properties of materials - definitive reference? - Page 1
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author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2022, 08:26:25 am
content: HiDoes anyone know of a definitive or comprehensive reference table listing a wide range of engineering materials and their properties (eg. density, strength, speed of sound, resistivity, dielectric constant etc...)?It feels to me as though there should be a big, fat book out there somewhere, probably published by a national laboratory, university or trade association, which lists hundreds if not thousands of materials along with the fundamental, quantifiable things which are known about them. Ideally it would include proper citations showing how each figure was obtained. Want to know the yield strength of balsa wood, or the speed of sound in mercury at room temperature? This is where you'll find it.I don't doubt that such a reference would be expensive, as there would be a lot of work involved in putting it together and keeping it up to date. This is OK.I can always google individual figures, of course, but the results are usually less than helpful, especially if I don't know exactly what I'm looking for (eg. 'what material has property X closest to value Y?'). Plenty of sites list little snippets of data, maybe a table showing a few related properties for a handful of materials, but no information on where those figures came from or where to find more.I'm sure I'm missing something - the hardback book that every lab has somewhere, and that engineers pass down from father to son as they retire. But I can't find it.Any hints please...?

author: Andy Watson
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timestamp: July 19, 2022, 09:36:55 am
content: I doubt that such a thing exists. Have you considered how "fat" it would have to be to cover the spectrum of modern materials? And how would it be kept up-to-date?Once-upon-a-time, the go-to book that a "proper" lab wanted have access to was "The Rubber Book" - CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. Although I gather that recent editions have pared-back on what is now considered to be common knowledge.A second requirement was often "kaye and Laby" - I remeber this as being more focused on the fundamental physics of materials and constants.

author: jpanhalt
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timestamp: July 19, 2022, 09:57:48 am
content: Sad to hear that about the CRC Handbook.In addition and also very dated is Machinery's Handbook (Industrial Press, Inc., NY, NY). I keep the 21st edition (copyright 1979) on my shelf. Later editions went CD. I don't know what the latest edition is.

author: Andy Watson
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timestamp: July 19, 2022, 10:19:44 am
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on July 19, 2022, 09:57:48 amI should make it clear that that is second-hand opinion - I've not seen a copy for 30+ years.Another vote for Machinery's Handbook - for the more practical mechanical stuff.

author: nfmax
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timestamp: July 19, 2022, 11:20:59 am
content: I have the 97th edition CRC handbook (2016/7) which is still useful. However it doesn’t have much on engineering materials. My favourite datum is the comprehensive list of materials incompatible with fluorine: Everything

author: mag_therm
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2022, 11:26:13 am
content: For Metals,American Society for Metalshttps://www.asminternational.org/search/-/journal_content/56/10192/15468704/DATABASEASM Alloy Center Database™Claimed to be world's largest collection, Subscription US$500/year.The 1998 ASM book "Properties of Metals" is still available $30.

author: beanflying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2022, 12:03:15 pm
content: I still have about 2' of Dead Tree Data on Chemical Resistance of materials data alone (my former life) before you even get to Physical Properties of materials and I have a similar shelf length I guess of that sort of data along with a few Bearing and other speciality Item Reference books.The issue even if you narrow it to metals for physical data is the 'standard' ones vary around the world a little for composition and availability before you get to specials and different prep (temper, heat treat, normalization etc).One reference to keep an eye out for is "Machinery's Handbook" used Dead Tree exists on evilbay or Amazon but I picked up a new edition large Print one 6 months ago (the type is still small and 3000+ pages). There is also some slightly earlier edition bootleg PDF's going around on the web if you just want to take a look at what is inside.The reality is the non Dead Tree option makes a lot of sense but the constant need to filter out the crap to get to what you need is getting tougher not easier.

author: TimFox
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timestamp: July 19, 2022, 01:50:58 pm
content: Another useful book is "Reference Data for Engineers"https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780750672917/reference-data-for-engineersOlder editions were titled "Reference Data for Radio Engineers", and were originally published by International Telephone and Telegraph Corp.Of course, the data tabulations are mainly electrical properties (dielectrics, insulation, conductivity, etc.).

author: armandine2
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timestamp: July 19, 2022, 02:28:14 pm
content: Ashby and Jones is a bit abstract/theoretical, but you may find useful from an education/design view.

author: Alex Eisenhut
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timestamp: July 19, 2022, 03:01:04 pm
content: RFCALC gives some values for some materials.

author: T3sl4co1l
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timestamp: July 19, 2022, 11:14:21 pm
content: Matweb is handy (and free) for a lot of things, especially metals, but you can find a lot of things in there I think. Mind, many of the data are partial, just a few relevant parameters the manufacturer decided to throw in there or whatever.Tim

author: Neomys Sapiens
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2022, 03:33:15 am
content: While the above suggestions included some of my primary references too (and are excluded from this list), here is what my database of literature holdings spat out under 'Materials':Materials Science and Engineering Handbook Shackleford/Alexander (Eds.) CRC Press 3rdEdApplied Materials Science - Applications of Engineering Materials in Structural, Electronics, Thermal, and Other Industries Deborah D-L. Chung CRC Press 2001Encyclopedia and Handbook of Materials, Parts, and Finishes M.Schwartz CRC Press 3rdEd 2016Electronic, Magnetic, and Optical Materials P.Fulay, Jung-Kun Lee CRC Press 2 2017Plastics Technology Handbook Manas Chanda, Salil K. Roy CRC Press 2007Polymers for Electronic Applications Juey H. Lai(Ed.) CRC Press 2018Modern Ceramic Engineering - Properties, Processing, and Use in Design David W. Richardson, William E. Lee CRC Press 4 2018Mechanical Properties of Engineered Materials Wolé Soboyejo Dekker 2002Handbookl of Engineering Polymeric Materials Nicholas B. Cheremisinoff (Ed.) Dekker 1997Werkstoffe in der Elektrotechnik - Grundlagen, Struktur, Eigenschaften, Pruefung, Anwendung, Technologie Hansgeorg Hofmann, Juergen Spindler Hanser 7.Ausg. 2013Properties of Electrical Engineering Materials G. C. Jain Harper International 1967Aerospace Materials (Series in Materials Science and Engineering) Brian Cantor, Hazel Assender and Patrick Grant (Eds.) IOP Publishing 2001Handbook of Plastics, Elastomers, and Composites; McGraw-Hill 4 2004Materials Handbook (predominantly Metals) Brady Clauser Vaccari McGraw-Hill 15 tbdHandbook of materials and product design Charles A. Harper, editor in chief McGraw-Hill 2001Handbook of Ceramics, Glasses, and Diamonds Charles A. Harper, editor in chief McGraw-Hill 2001Materials Handbook - A Concise Desktop Reference F.Cardarelli Springer 2nd Ed. 2008Springer Handbook of Materials Data Warlimont, Martienssen Springer 2nd Ed. 2018Werkstoffe - Aufbau und Eigenschaften von Keramik-, Metall-, Polymer und Verbundwerkstoffen Erhard Hornbogen Springer 8.Ausg. 2006Composite Materials - Science and Application Deborah D.L. Chung Springer 2ndEd 2010Technologie der Werkstoffe - Herstellung, Verarbeitung, Einsatz J.Ruge, H.Wohlfahrt Springer Vieweg 9.Ausg. 2013Materialien der Elektronik und Energietechnik - Halbleiter, Graphen, Funktionale Materialien Peter Wellmann Springer Vieweg 2017Electrical Degradation and Breakdown in Polymers L.A.Dissado, J.C.Fothergill The IET 2008Advanced Dielectric Materials for Electrostatic Capacitors Qi Li The IET 2020Werkstoffkunde - Strukturen, Eigenschaften, Pruefung W. Weissbach M. Dahms Vieweg+Teubner 17.Ausg. 2010Werkstoffe der Elektrotechnik Ellen Ivers-Tiffée, Waldemar von Münch Teubner 11.Ausg. 2007Handbook of Materials Selection ed. by Myer Kutz Wiley 2002Dielectric Materials for Electrical Engineering Juan Martinez-Vega (Ed.) Wiley/ISTE 2010Advanced Electrical and Electronics Materials - Processes and Applications K.M..Gupta, N. Gupta Wiley/Scrivener 2015Electroceramics - Materials, Properties, Applications A.J.Moulson, J.M.Herbert Wiley 2 2003Characterization of Materials Vol.1+2 Elton N. Kaufman (Ed.) Wiley Interscience 2003Concise Encyclopedia of Composite Materials Ed. by A. Mortensen Elsevier 2ndEd 2007Concise Encyclopedia of Magnetic and Superconducting Materials Ed. by K.H.J. Buschow Elsevier 2ndEd 2005HANDBOOK OF ADHESIVES AND SEALANTS - Basic Concepts and High Tech Bonding (Handbook of Adhesives and Sealants – Vol. 1) Editor Phillippe Cognard Elsevier 2005HANDBOOK OF ADHESIVES AND SEALANTS - General Knowledge, Application Techniques, New Curing Techniques (Handbook of Adhesives and Sealants – Vol. 2) Editor Phillippe Cognard Elsevier 2006Encapsulation Technologies for Electronic Applications Haleh Ardebili and Michael Pecht Elsevier 2009Functional Dielectrics for Electronics - Fundamentals of Conversion Properties Y. Poplavko, Y, Yakymenko Elsevier 2020Plastics engineering A.J. Crawford Butterworth-Heinemann 3rdEd 1998Mechanics of Materials James M. Gere Thomson Learning 6 2004Werkstoffe fuer elektrische Kontakte Stöckel et. al. Expert-Verlag 1980Taschenbuch der Werkstoffe Merkel/Thomas Fachbuchverl. Leipzig/Köln 4.Ausg. 1996Kunststoff-Tabellen Carlowitz Hanser 3.Ausg. 1985Werkstoffkunde der Elektrotechnik Döring Vieweg 2.Ausg. 1988Werkstoffe der Elektrotechnik W.v.Münch Teubner 5.Ausg. 1985Taschenbuch fuer Chemiker und Physiker, Band1: Makroskopische physikalisch-chemische Eigenschaften D'Ans, Lax Springer 3.Ausg. 1967Taschenbuch fuer Chemiker und Physiker, Band2: Organische Verbindungen D'Ans, Lax Springer 3.Ausg. 1964Taschenbuch fuer Chemiker und Physiker, Band3: Eigenschaften von Atomen und Molekeln Schaefer/Synowietz Springer 3.Ausg. 1970Moderne Werkstoffe Spektrum d. Wissenschaft 1996I did not delete the German publications as there might be an English translation available or they could be useful to someone.(Format is basically: Title, Author(s), Publisher, Ed./Version, Year of publication)

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2022, 07:16:02 am
content: Wow...!Thanks everyone, that's a huge help.

author: Conrad Hoffman
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2022, 06:44:53 pm
content: Biggest problem I have looking things up is disagreement between sources, usually for metals.

author: mclute0
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2022, 07:10:33 pm
content: definitive is a relative term. I usually start looking for material information at ... but a lot of people don't trust quasi-governmental run sources like this one....https://materialsproject.org/