First oscilloscope - Page 1
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author: NiaDebesis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2016, 09:20:32 pm
content: I never use a oscilloscope, but i am buying the equipment for my lab, i have found this Philips PM 3267 100mHz 2 channel, it semms to be good for 100$ dollarI ll work witch stereo amolifiers, arduino, micro contr, and other circuitsBut if this isn' t good my budget is of 200$

author: rx8pilot
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 09:28:13 pm
content: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DS1052E-50-MHz-Digital-Oscilloscope-Osciloscopio-/252602448006?hash=item3ad0477886:g:lfQAAOSwx2dYDiBOThis may be a more flexible and modern choice as a first scope.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 09:32:38 pm
content: Quote from: rx8pilot on November 03, 2016, 09:28:13 pmI prefer analogue, i can get better with less moneyIs my first scope

author: P90
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 09:42:49 pm
content: No good. Get a Rigol 1052

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 09:49:03 pm
content: Quote from: P90 on November 03, 2016, 09:42:49 pmAn other choice? Only this at this price?

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 09:52:52 pm
content: Quote from: P90 on November 03, 2016, 09:42:49 pmTEKTRONIX 2225 this?

author: PA4TIM
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 10:04:09 pm
content: I had a Rigol 100 MHz and I hated that piece of shit so much I gave it away within a year. I have a PM3265 here for repair from a friend, he has a Rigol to but preferes this Philips. And I must say it is indeed a very nice scope. But many people love the RigolI'm not pro analog or pro digital. I have several analog scopes. I need a scope for my work (repairing measurement and calibration gear) and my main scope is a 350 MHz HMO from Hameg. But I always have an analog scope powered on too. Most times a Hameg 1004-2 or a Tek 7603, sometimes a Tek 7704 and for special things a Tek 547 (I have 15 plugins for that)A DSO has several advantages for me because it can do things an analog scope can not do but in other cases I prefere the analog scope. But I can not say what will be best for you. You have to find out your self. The Philips is a nice scope but old, sooner or later it will need some repair, but on the other hand, it probably outlasts a Rigol.Just buy it, use it , learn working with a scope and maybe buy a DSO too after some time if you want and know more about scopes.A tek 2225 is also a nice scope to work with.

author: SaabFAN
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 10:04:13 pm
content: For 100€, I would try to get a Combiscope from Philips: PM33XX-Series. They have both analog and digital modes and are really easy to work with and compared to other brands rather cheap despite their capabilities. I guess because Philips is not too well known as a brand for Test Equipment.The DS1054Z is very nice if you want to go modern digital scope, but also expensive. Its predecessor, the DS1052, has a too small screen for my taste.From my personal experience, the DS1054Z is a good scope if you want to debug Power-Supply stuff, whereas the older Philips ones, I have a PM3320A, is better when looking at basically everything else. The interface is much more ergonomical.Only if I need to see some additional detail that requires long recording-times at high sample-rates (the PM3320A has only 2048 Sample-Points), I use the Rigol Scope after determining the basic shape and characteristics of the signal with the Philips Scope.

author: omgfire
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2016, 10:45:20 pm
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 03, 2016, 09:20:32 pmQuote from: NiaDebesis on November 03, 2016, 10:14:01 amQuote from: NiaDebesis on November 02, 2016, 08:01:00 pmInstead of oscilloscope for $200 and multimeter for €500, consider Brymen BM869S for€200.14and Rigol DS1054Z for €339 + tax, shipping, etc.

author: Lightages
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 10:50:29 pm
content: Yes, I find it a bit out of balance to spend less than one third of a budget on an oscilloscope rather than on the multimeter. This is not logical.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 10:54:03 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 03, 2016, 10:50:29 pmI have never used a oscilloscope, this is something..like a test to learn how to use one of those, when i have learned more less what i need I ll buy a good scope

author: P90
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 10:55:25 pm
content: Quote from: omgfire on November 03, 2016, 10:45:20 pmThey gotta get that 0.14€ in there, don't they? LOLOff topic, but god I hate that. Just price things at round numbers. Fu**ing retailers!

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 10:57:05 pm
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 03, 2016, 10:54:03 pmIf I want I can take a 800$ scope but...usless for now

author: Lightages
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:01:38 pm
content: Ask almost anyone here, $1000 multimeter and old analog scope or two $150 multimeters and a DS1054Z. I know that the answer will be.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:05:22 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 03, 2016, 11:01:38 pmI need of that tester, somethimes i go to cech distribution panel and other thing like this...AND also usefull for my laboratory...i can take the rigol Z but is usless for me

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:05:57 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 03, 2016, 10:50:29 pmNo it's not logical.DMM's are for measurements, DSO's are your eyes, but as yet the OP is blind to that.Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 03, 2016, 10:57:05 pmI'd happily dowithouta DMM but not a scope and if I had to have both, a $50 DMM would be more than enough, $150 tops.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:09:41 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 03, 2016, 11:05:57 pmI don' t need of an oscilloscope for now..but a dmm is wat I need KNOW, i want to take a oscilloscope only to learn how to use, and for the fist uses, I don' t need of an expensive oscilloscope

author: Lightages
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:10:03 pm
content: So you need a tester but in the other thread you ask if you should get a bench meter insteadFor checking a distribution panel, get a Fluke 101, and get another mid priced meter for other electronics work. Then you have money for a DS1054Z and a DER EE DE-5000 LCR meter. We are trying to help you but you are all over the map with ideas. People with experience are telling you things and you seem to be wanting us to just confirm your naive ideas.You also said in your other thread than you won't buy things that are used, but in this thread?I am beginning to suspect you are a troll.

author: P90
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:10:06 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 03, 2016, 11:01:38 pm$1000 you can get two $150 DMM, a DS1054, and money left over to get an analog scope that comes in very handy sometimes, and a soldering station.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:14:41 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 03, 2016, 11:10:03 pmI need to be simple because i don' t speek a very well english and i don' t undersatnd very well too..I don' t buy used thing from OTHER country and if i can' t check witch my eyes, for the multimeters, i have a little bit confised, I want to get a dmm to ceck panel and a bench multimeter to use only in my laboratory (with the portable)

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:16:37 pm
content: Quote from: P90 on November 03, 2016, 11:10:06 pmI have a weller desolder and solder stations ^^

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:20:01 pm
content: Then read each thread again and see that you are trying to spend your money on the wrong things. A DS1054Z will be far more useful than a high end bench meter to you. Read the advice again but spend your money any way you want.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:23:54 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 03, 2016, 11:20:01 pmI can take the Gossen and the Rigol Z witch a lcr multimeter and another gossen or a bench multimeter, i haven't problem witch budget

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:24:40 pm
content: OK, now I really think you are a troll.

author: P90
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:27:34 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 03, 2016, 11:24:40 pmPerhaps just misunderstanding because of language barrier???

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:28:30 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 03, 2016, 11:24:40 pm...Ok think what you want, but repeat...I dont have problems with budgetI only think at long termNothing more

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:34:53 pm
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 03, 2016, 11:28:30 pmThen your first scope choice IS even more important, you need to set your sights above the cheapest entry level DSO'sandany thoughts of secondhand equipment in the same class including CRO's.A scope is a scope is a scope, they all work and are used in much the same way, there's a pile of advice for scope newbies much like you in the forum, use the search button, not the box.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 03, 2016, 11:37:03 pm
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 03, 2016, 11:28:30 pmIll buy the Gossen, Lcr multimeter and the rigol z

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 12:10:35 am
content: Quote from: tautech on November 03, 2016, 11:34:53 pmOne day the oscilloscope will be necesseraly for my lab, for this I take the gossen, the Rigol z and the lcr tester

author: P90
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 12:14:13 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 12:10:35 amBut let me ask you, do you have a soldering station?

author: Muttley Snickers
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 12:16:57 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 03, 2016, 11:37:03 pmSounds like a good plan, please come back and post some pictures of the new equipment and one of your existing Hioki meter once you have obtained them. Otherwise people here may get tired of your ongoing requests and banish you to the tyre-kickers category which is a really bad label to have.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 12:32:45 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on November 04, 2016, 12:16:57 am

author: tautech
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 12:37:05 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 12:32:45 amTire kicker; like this one:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/advice-about-oscilloscope-to-buy/Nearly 3 weeks later he still has little idea of what to do.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 12:45:39 am
content: Quote from: tautech on November 04, 2016, 12:37:05 amToo complicated for me to understand...in pratically is who take a lots of post about one thing?

author: tautech
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 01:15:48 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 12:45:39 amAt least you're listening.

author: nctnico
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 01:42:02 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 03, 2016, 11:28:30 pmBuying test equipment is like buying anything nowadays: it will be outdated in a couple of years. I buy a different oscilloscope every few years (so far mostly used ones). The same goes for other test equipment. When I have a need for a certain piece of equipment I buy it. When I no longer need a piece of equipment (upgraded or not used for a long time) I sell it again. My point is: focus on what kind of projects are on your workbench right now and figure out how much you want to spend to get those projects finished (quicker). Also realise that test equipment depreciates faster than a car so you'll never get back what you have spend.Better tools will help to do a job quicker but the value for money decreases exponentially. If you have no hammer then any cheap crap hammer will be a major improvement. If you already have a hammer, a hammer with a more ergonomic grip (less strain on your hand) might allow you to put in 20% more nails on a day so there is a benefit but less than going from no hammer to having one cheap crap hammer.

author: alsetalokin4017
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 02:17:10 am
content: No problems with budget? That must be nice.Then by all means get the best, most expensive scope you can find. LeCroy makes some great high-end scopes, as do Tek and Agilent. Some of these can cost more than my home and my car combined.

author: Lightages
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 03:00:00 am
content: I still don't believe a word the OP says. He says no more than $200, then says no budget. In another thread he says he wants a Gossen or a Fluke. He only wants to spend $200 on an oscilloscope but can buy a DS1054Z, two Gossens and an LCR meter. This is either a troll or a "tire kicker" waste of time.

author: P90
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 04:14:15 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 04, 2016, 03:00:00 amBut that's the beauty of the internet... anyone can pretend be a big spender... or anything he wants... :-)

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 06:17:13 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 04, 2016, 03:00:00 amI know I know is difficult to understandFort the 10 time I ll repeatI saw 200 NOT for my money but because i Tgought the best choice for a begginner was to rake some old analogue oscilloscope, but some guys here have tell me a oscilloscope will be necessary, tou have understand?

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 06:24:47 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 04, 2016, 03:00:00 amI can buy what I want, with no budget, if i want I can buy equipment for 100k but, is a waste of mone, I have the money, bit I don' t want to waste my money

author: Lightages
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 06:25:43 am
content: OK, if you are to be believed:Buy a DS1054Z and hack itBuy 2 BM257S (or BM869S) fromwww.tme.euBuy a DER EE DE-5000This will be your best buy for the money.If you want to spend lots of money for no reason:Buy some high priced oscilloscope for no reason other than you have too much money and have no idea what you wantBuy 2 Gossen multimetersYou will have no more idea what to do with these things but you will be happy you spent lots of money.If you don't know what to buy and why you should buy it, then ask the questions and follow the advice of the people here. If you have too much money and don't care about costs and what you know, buy what you want and stop bothering other people with your naive questions and/or contradictory requirements and arguments.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 06:30:19 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 04, 2016, 06:25:43 am

author: Lightages
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 06:36:41 am
content: I tried.....

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 06:43:13 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 06:30:19 am

author: tautech
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 06:49:59 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 06:24:47 amAnd you are somewhat unusual in that respect, most have very limited funds and are satisfied with equipment that's only "good enough" for their needs and that's OK too.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 06:51:25 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 06:30:19 amI don' t know how well is BMSIll buy the rigol ZThe lcr testerAnd the gossen and another multimeter (2 gossen is usless)

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 06:53:20 am
content: Quote from: tautech on November 04, 2016, 06:49:59 amThis! I want to buy what I need (I want to take the gossen because I want a very high end multimeter for every work)

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 07:12:17 am
content: Quote from: tautech on November 04, 2016, 06:49:59 amI don' t want to open a new post, for me (beginner) what power supply i should to buy? I have cecked elv

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 07:23:22 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 07:12:17 amElv ?How many outputs do you want/need ?I didn't think these would be popular in my market but I've sold a couple of SPD3303X-E's lately to very satisfied customers.http://www.siglenteu.com/pdxx.aspx?id=1116&T=2&tid=17Don't know if that's what you're looking for or is even within your budget.

author: P90
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 07:25:56 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 07:12:17 amI'm not sure if Gossen makes power supplies

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 08:19:41 am
content: Quote from: tautech on November 04, 2016, 07:23:22 amNo Budget, but i want something to learn ^^2 is even more ^^

author: Muxr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:25:31 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on November 04, 2016, 01:42:02 amOscilloscopes have gone through a bit of a revolution in the past decade of so.. but I don't think whatever you buy today will be outdated in just a couple of years. Will scopes continue to get better and cheaper over time? most likely, you will also have better capabilities. But I think any decent scope you buy today will probably be fine for quite a bit longer than a couple of years. I don't plan on upgrading my scopes any time soon for instance.Multimeters can usually last you decades as well. Heck in a pinch I could still get away with using my old 8020 Fluke for most stuff, and that design is 40 years old, 20 year old Fluke 87s are still pretty capable DMMs.Not to mention all the other usual lab gear, like power supplies, DC loads, sig gens, SAs etc.It really depends on your use case at the end of the day. If you're working on stuff that requires pushing the envelope in terms of measurement capability, or if you really could use some new features. But most of us don't. For your general electronics lab.. the gear you invest in today.. will last you quite a while, provided you invest well and the gear doesn't fail in a way which makes it unrepairable.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:34:22 am
content: Quote from: tautech on November 04, 2016, 07:23:22 amI was thinkig about Elv 5330 because it look pretty good

author: tautech
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:41:47 am
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 09:34:22 amAh, I see now.It's mentioned here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/please-advise-on-cheap-and-good-variable-power-supply/msg138446/#msg138446

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:52:36 am
content: As my first power supply is good? Or you have something of more good at 200 or something like that? (I don' y want to spend too much for my first power supply)

author: Assafl
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 11:08:58 am
content: Waiting a long time I was able to score a local TTi PL330TP (triple) power supply for about 160$. Looked for local as I didn't want the cost of delivery (Linear Power Supplies are heavy). Use eBay advanced to limit the results to Italy and you'll find a whole host of power supplies.Seller wanted 400$. Talked him down to $160 or so. it is not unusual on these forums.If you are planning to prod distribution panels get a CAT III or CAT IV rated DMM. If you plan to prod the same with scope you have to be careful. Either a CAT rated floating isolated Scopemeter or use differential probes (expensive).In any case, I wouldn't use an analog scope for "learning". These are going the way of the dodo. Loved them in the 80's but in the 90's the writing was on the wall (the digital scopes were still horrible back then). Why bother learning what Alt & chop are???

author: rx8pilot
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 05:31:32 pm
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 03, 2016, 09:32:38 pmHow do you know that if you don't yet know what a scope does or how to use it? More Mhz is not necessarily better if that is what you mean. Even low-end entry level digital scopes have features that analog scopes simply do not have and cannot have. Whatever you get for <$200 you are going to outgrow fairly quickly.

author: BravoV
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 05:40:31 pm
content: Quote from: rx8pilot on November 04, 2016, 05:31:32 pmAnd ... imagine the old scope stopped working after few days of used.In order to fix a scope, usually you need "ANOTHER" scope .. and of course the skill, and that also does not guarantee it can be fixed.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 05:44:31 pm
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 07:12:17 amI tend to like lightweight power supplies which aren't too big and don't make noise. Ebay has many used ones from Agilent/Keysight. I'm considering getting a small dual output power supply myself so I have given this question some thought lately. My mostly used power supply is a Voltcraft PS-1302 (30V 2A) but all my other power supplies (ranging from 45W to 2kW) are from HP/Agilent. I'm thinking about a PSU with 2x25V 1A for powering small projects.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:14:01 pm
content: The Array 3644A is better than the elv ppm 5330 ?

author: P90
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:20:46 pm
content: A juicy transformer, few diodes, an LM317, a pot, and large capacitor... and Bob's your uncle...

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:29:23 pm
content: Quote from: P90 on November 04, 2016, 09:20:46 pmI prefer to buy something like (professional for the begginers)

author: P90
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:31:46 pm
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 09:29:23 pmWhat better way to learn electronics...

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:42:30 pm
content: I have already done a power supply ^^ but i need something of..better XD is a piece of **** too instable, and is not worth to fix it

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:43:16 pm
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 06:17:13 amUsed analog scopes will have much higher bandwidth for the same cost as a new DSO. That's true! But, that's used analog vs new DSO!I bought a used Tektronix 485 350 MHz scope for $200 about 12 years ago and it has served me well. I will keep it forever!But I recently bought a DS1054Z for the features. My old scope was dual channel and I wanted 4 channels for looking at SPI. My new scope has decoding for various serial protocols and it has single shot mode. It also has a lot of arithmetic functions, measurement capability and numerous trigger functions that my old scope could never have. There is no comparison on features. Yes, the 485 has higher bandwidth and the DS1054Z only has 100 MHz (after unlocking) but that is a tradeoff I can live with. When I need the higher bandwidth, I probably don't need the features. And the other way around, I usually run SPI in the 10 MHz range and 100 MHz is plenty of bandwidth for my microcontroller and FPGA projects.I certainly didn't NEED a new scope but I'm real glad I bought it. I have a lot to learn re: DSOs but, in the meantime, it isn't significantly different, in concept, that any other scope. It just does a LOT more!I also have multimeters, several in fact, including a Fluke 189 which is a very nice meter. I don't have a bench meter and my latest DMM is the EEVBlog branded Brymem BM235. That Brymem is a pretty nice meter. There are others in the $100 range that I would consider. The Fluke is excellent but it is very pricey and I'm not really sure it is that much better for the extra $300. Maybe I just bought it as my first truly decent DMM and didn't care about the price. I'm not sure I would buy it today. I might buy 3 of the BM235s and call it good.There are dozens of good scopes and I only own two so I can't say anything about the others. If I were rich, I would be buying Keysight something or other. Certainly something in the 500 MHz 4 channel range. Alas, I'm not! The DS1054Z will get me by quite nicely.If budget is a limiting factor and the $400 cost of the DS1054Z is an issue, an analog scope is still a viable solution. The problem is, how do you know you didn't just order a box of rocks? Even if you get a scope, what if it doesn't work? Knobs missing, switches dirty, etc. Can you fix it? You take a huge risk when buying something off of eBay.Anyway, it's your choice and there are certainly a number of candidate scopes.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:46:39 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on November 04, 2016, 09:43:16 pmNono I have already ordered the Rigol Z ^^ and probably a friend will give me an analogue fluke or tektronix oscilloscope

author: nctnico
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:52:00 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on November 04, 2016, 09:43:16 pmThere is always buyer protection which works well if an item is not as described but the older the equipment is the bigger the chance of something being wrong. The trick is to buy something which is easy to fix but looks like a wreck.

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:55:59 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on November 04, 2016, 09:52:00 pmIll buy a very hold fluke multimeter in one of those days, I think he have only the broked trasformer

author: Lightages
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 10:16:35 pm
content: Really, NiaDebesis seems to be playing games and you guys seem to be falling for it.He started this thread by saying:QuotethenQuotethenQuoteI said:Quoteand he replied:Quotethen:QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWhen it was suggested in his other thread on multimeters that he should buy a Gossen and a Fluke:QuoteWhat does it take to see this guy is either just tire kicking or trolling?

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 10:34:31 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 04, 2016, 10:16:35 pmHm yeah, you have some problems, nothing more, if you don't understand I don't care, read all, don't post these segments

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 10:36:30 pm
content: And with these tire kick...please shut up, today i have ordered the Rigol, the Gossen, the Der ee 5000 and a power supply from elv

author: NiaDebesis
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timestamp: November 04, 2016, 10:38:48 pm
content: All the time he repost withTire kickerTire kickerTire kickerDo other things ^^

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 10:49:42 pm
content: Take a deep breath - all is well. Congrats getting to a decision that you are comfortable with. You will have some fun now.

author: NiaDebesis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 10:51:44 pm
content: Quote from: rx8pilot on November 04, 2016, 10:49:42 pmYea but all the time Tire kicker...hm dunno because he doesen't understand, wait 2 week or less and i post all ^^ (now i am crafting the bench)

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 10:53:16 pm
content: If I am wrong I will apologize. I look forward to seeing your new equipment sitting on your bench. You made good choices.

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 10:54:01 pm
content: Quote from: NiaDebesis on November 04, 2016, 10:51:44 pmThis is the internet combined with a language and culture barrier. You are worried about the wrong things. Get to work learning electronics and have some fun.

author: NiaDebesis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 10:54:41 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 04, 2016, 10:53:16 pmI don't have nothing wrong with you, I don't know if is my poor english, but i am sure, i wasn't doing the tire kicker or what else