12Bit Scope additional/replacement to Siglent 2104X Plus & Rigol DS1054Z - Page 1
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author: Markus2801A
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 10:16:33 am
content: Dear Friends,As stated in the topic, I actually use theSiglent 2104X PlusandRigol DS1054Z(which I bought before the Siglent) oscilloscopes, so im quite familiar with them.Now I`m thinking of getting into the new 12bit era of affordable scopes.After reading so many pages here, I kindly ask you again to assist me in getting a 12bit scope that would be a good addition and/or replacement for my Rigol or even Siglent scope.I am considering Siglent SDS800X HD series (maybe 1000X HD) and Rigol DHO800 / DHO900 / DHO1000 series?As far as I have found out, there are some limitations in hardware (memory depth) regarding software update (hack) which cannot be upgraded.Regarding price and performance, quality and stability also hackability ;-) which one should I choose?Thanks in advance ;-)Best regards,Markus from Lower Austria

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 10:43:13 am
content: (post was fixed ...)Regarding the Rigol models: I don't think the DHO900 is good value for money, and I'm not sure if the DHO1000 is being phased out.Memory depth is completely hackable. You can get all DHO900 features on a DHO800 except for the extra connector on the front (and some people have even added that).The Siglent sales force will be along shortly to tell you you'd be completely mad to get a Rigol but I don't think they're 100% right. The Rigol can do a few things the Siglent can't do and nobody's ever answered the question "what scenario would mean the Rigol couldn't get the job done and I'd be forced to buy a Siglent instead".Both of them are abigstep up from the DS1054Z.The questions are: What will you mostly use it for?nb. The Rigol is Android based so it's way more hackable. People are busy modding the UI and even writing their own apps for it to get (eg.) fullscreen modes and fancier FFTs. See other threads.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 11:25:46 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 23, 2024, 10:43:13 amTheSiglent-SDS2104X Plushe has is quite a scope.What, apart from the 12bit, would the "big step up" in your opinion?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 12:10:42 pm
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on June 23, 2024, 11:25:46 amBrain fart, I thought he said SDS1104X...Yeah, the 2000 series is a different beast. Post fixed...

author: Martin72
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timestamp: June 23, 2024, 12:24:58 pm
content: Because he has the SDS2104Xplus, I would say:Inadditionto that, just to want the 12bit,DHO800/1000would be my suggestion.I wouldn't recommend any of the above as areplacement, neither Rigol nor Siglent.In order to achieve a significant "improvement" over the SDS2000Xplus, you would have to go for at least the 2000X HD.

author: Aldo22
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timestamp: June 23, 2024, 12:29:00 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 23, 2024, 12:10:42 pmYes, it even has a 10-bit mode afaics, so I wonder why he wants an additional "affordable scope" at all, since this is generally (apart from the 12-bit) rather a step backwards.

author: KungFuJosh
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timestamp: June 23, 2024, 02:17:03 pm
content: I agree. I'd say sell both scopes and buy the SDS2000X HD with the bundle while it's still on sale...if you really need 12bit. I have the plus and I'm in no rush for another scope.

author: Markus2801A
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 06:32:19 pm
content: Thank you all for your suggestions, opinions and fast replies to my topic.I thought those new Oscilloscopes would be an "update" also regarding user interface and FFT-Capabilities.I also want to be up to date with the new capabilities of the oscilloscopes.Quote from: Martin72 on June 23, 2024, 12:24:58 pmWon't the Siglent 2000X HD soon be replaced by a new one? After all, it's been on the market for a while now.Kind regardsMarkus

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 06:58:55 pm
content: QuoteI don't know through what.The SDS3000X HD is a different class, not the successor.QuoteThis month marks 2 years, which is not that long ago.QuoteRather not.The FFT capacities are the same, even less for the Rigol models.The only thing the SDS2000Xplus lacks in comparison are the aforementioned 12-bit, then 4 math channels, as well as digital filters (SDS800X HD, SDS1000X HD, Rigol DHO800/900/1000).That's the "stupid" thing for SDS2000Xplus owners, there is not "more" for the same money at the moment, because the Plus model is not that old yet.

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: June 23, 2024, 10:23:27 pm
content: I imagine that there are many cases where a good 8 bit scope continues to be a useful tool. As much as I like having the newest thing, I think I’d want a specific need for finer detail before spending money just to have it. The SDS2000X seems like a very capable scope - it might be interesting to hold out to see what the next releases bring…

author: Fungus
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timestamp: June 23, 2024, 11:12:18 pm
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on June 23, 2024, 12:29:00 pmHe says he"uses"them, not that he owns them.

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: June 23, 2024, 11:15:02 pm
content: Ah… it’s always the small details that matter lol

author: KungFuJosh
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timestamp: June 24, 2024, 12:40:53 am
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 23, 2024, 10:16:33 amQuote from: Fungus on June 23, 2024, 11:12:18 pmRead the rest of the sentence he wrote. 😉

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2024, 01:01:09 am
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on June 24, 2024, 12:40:53 amMaybe something is lost in translation. Clarification needed...

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2024, 01:30:36 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 24, 2024, 01:01:09 am"which I bought before the Siglent" - he bought the Rigol, then he bought the Siglent. There ya go. 😉

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2024, 02:02:09 am
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on June 24, 2024, 01:30:36 amDoesn't mean he bought them for himself to use at home.

author: Geoff-AU
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timestamp: June 24, 2024, 04:40:07 am
content: Not sure what the benefit of all this conjecture over semantics is..2000X Plus series is very capable for 8-bit, and it has 10-bit mode as well.2000X HD is a great scope. It's an older, more expensive architecture compared to the 800HD/1000HD.. but that architecture seems to provide slightly better performance in some areas (screen update rate, hardware ERES etc) that may or may not be important to the individual. But the 2000X HD also suffers from infrequent firmware updates, and its connection for logic analyser is the "old" style which may be a concern for future-proofing.It all comes down to where your priorities live on the performance vs cost scale. If I had 12-bit yearnings but without 12-bit pockets I would head straight for the 800X HDBut it might not be such a leap over the 2000X Plus with 10-bit mode (depending on the bandwidth you're interested in).

author: tautech
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timestamp: June 24, 2024, 07:01:30 am
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 23, 2024, 06:32:19 pmYes in dark clothes and now available.TBH there is little to be gained with SDS1000X HD vs SDS2000X Plus.One is a 200 MHz design and the Plus is 500 MHz.Plus has more features apart from the 12bit of 1000X HD and some might find HD encoders nicer to use.Quote from: Geoff-AU on June 24, 2024, 04:40:07 amLimited to 100 MHz BW, all models.QuoteThe HW/architecture is not so different as you might think.Initially 2000X HD was a pricer DSO but now with many models in the Siglent range using the same 12bit ADC's pricing has been pulled back to reflect the better buying power from sourcing 12bit ADC's in greater volumes.QuoteOld, as in used in all the higher priced Siglent models....and for other brands also ?SPL2016 is a top class LA probe configuration greatly surpassing SLA1016 used in 800/1000X HD models, IMHO.Quote100% if you only needed 12bit performanceQuoteThis too and the 2kX Plus will always be more scope than its 800/1k siblings.Yet if Markus2801A needs to have a 12bit forsomework the 802X HD for $340 would be a good starting point.

author: Markus2801A
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timestamp: June 24, 2024, 01:51:09 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on June 24, 2024, 07:01:30 amSo maybe the SDS800 Series as replacement for the RigolDS1054Z?Which Model (maybe SDS814X HD) should I get regarding full „upgradeability“ (hack) as I‘ve read the memory is not upgradable via software hack.Just to get it right: Rigol DHO800 & 900 Series utilize the same Hardware. So the cheapest Model can be unlocked to highest price Model?

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: June 24, 2024, 01:57:47 pm
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 24, 2024, 01:51:09 pmNot sure what you read, but the SDS800X HD series is completely upgradable simply by entering license codes generated by a Python scrip available in the forums here. It took me about 5 minutes to 'upgrade' my 70 MHz 50 Mpt SDS804X HD into a 200 MHz 100 Mpt SDS824X HD ;-) So simple I hesitate to even call it a 'hack'.Edit - I have no affiliation with this website, but rather than set up a Python compiler on my pc I just copied the code from the forums and ran it on the free online compiler athttps://www.programiz.com/python-programming/online-compiler/Note you need to edit the code to include your specific machine ID and serial number,

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2024, 02:03:38 pm
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 24, 2024, 01:51:09 pmYes, the RigolDS1054Z feels like an antique compared to the new "12-bits".The upgrade ismuchmore than just the number of bits in the ADC.Quote from: Markus2801A on June 24, 2024, 01:51:09 pmYes, a DHO804 can become a DHO924 via a simple hack.(the model is stored in a file so just substitute the file and restart the 'scope app).nb. You can't get DHO924S- the signal generator needs extra internal hardware.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2024, 09:34:19 pm
content: QuoteI wouldn't do that.There is no need, with the 900 series you get 2 more decoders, but he already has them anyway with his SDS2000Xplus.Over 200Mhz bandwidth can cause problems if you don't remember that the sample rate on the Rigol is drastically reduced when using multiple channels.If the seeker had no scope or only the DS1054Z, I would clearly recommend the SDS800X HD, as I think it is the best scope on the market for the price,overall.But he still has the SDS2000Xplus, so I would make a different decision and get a DHO800.A DHO804 and "gently" upgrade it to the 814.If it's all about the low-noise 12-bit, then the Rigol.For a single reason, which I won't mention, you'll have to come up with it yourself.If you know my review of the DHO800 and read my posts in the SDS800 thread, especially the last ones before I sold it, then you'll figure it out.And I still think that if he wants to experience a general "over-all" improvement, then he should sell his two scopes and get an SDS2000X HD.But that's not up for debate.

author: 2N3055
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timestamp: June 24, 2024, 10:08:45 pm
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 24, 2024, 01:51:09 pmIgnore anybody that tells you that you can "upgrade" DHO800 to DHO900. They are NOT same hardware, and DHO900 is horrible and failed design. Either get DHO800 and stick with it or get something else.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2024, 10:12:52 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on June 24, 2024, 09:34:19 pmYes, I was just keeping the answer simple ("yes!") but the 814 with memory upgrade is the sanest variation of these 'scopes.If you ever need the extra serial decoders (the only advantage the DHO900 has) you can switch to a DHO900 while you do that job then switch back.

author: Fungus
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timestamp: June 24, 2024, 10:34:54 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 24, 2024, 10:08:45 pmYou can enable all DHO900 software options and all DHO900 bandwidth/memory options.

author: points2
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 05:09:33 am
content: Hi,about "what 12b scope to replace by 8bit scope ?"(maybe I'm wrong, please correct me if so)my answer is : 12bit vs 8bit, no one cares about that !what matters is "GS/s" !12bit vs 8bit = the cosmetic stuff => on the Y-axis.But what costs much is the X-axis resolution ! <= the bottleneck (cost related) of any scope is the X-axis, not the Y-axis !

author: Markus2801A
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timestamp: June 25, 2024, 06:23:59 am
content: Quote from: TomKatt on June 24, 2024, 01:57:47 pmThanks for the clarification!It will save me moneyQuote from: Fungus on June 24, 2024, 02:03:38 pmOkay, but than there are statements like this:Quote from: Fungus on June 24, 2024, 10:34:54 pmQuote from: Fungus on June 24, 2024, 10:12:52 pmNow I'm confused, are DHO800 fully upgradeable to DHO900 Series or do the DHO900 Series have different Hardware, so an upgrade is not possible via software hack?Also I don`t get it why you only should gently upgrade to DHO814?Quote from: points2 on June 25, 2024, 05:09:33 amThanks for that, I second that but additional to GS/s I think 12Bits are really "nice to have" and nowadays affordable.Just to bring a this Idea in in:Quote from: Martin72 on June 24, 2024, 09:34:19 pmSomewhere here on eevblog I read "SDS2000X HD backdoor closed", so it's not possible to upgrade bandwidth like I was able to do on my SDS2104X?

author: Geoff-AU
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timestamp: June 25, 2024, 06:45:02 am
content: Quote from: points2 on June 25, 2024, 05:09:33 amGive the man a fast comparator and he's happy

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 07:56:07 am
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 25, 2024, 06:23:59 amLet me repeat.Quote from: 2N3055 on June 24, 2024, 10:08:45 pmDHO800 has maximum sample rate of 1.25 GS/s that drops to quarter of that when using 4 ch. So you are sampling at 312.5 MS/s. Meaning no more than 150 MHz can be sampled.Which DHO814 has about 150-170 MHz BW and that combination seems to work fine.SDS800xHD from Siglent samples at 2GS->1GS->500MS/s as you go so that one can support up to 240 MHz without problems with all 4 Ch on.If you want simple, cheapest 12 bit scope, DHO814 will give you low noise and basic functions. I don't know what is the state of bugs at this moment, I gave up on tracking that.DHO800 also has HDMI monitor output if that might be important to you (for school presentations, for instance).SD800xHD has very good Web interface OTOH, that can be used for presentations too.If you want scope that will have quite advanced analysis and math capabilities, mapping of network drives for easier data sharing, good BODE plotting (you'll need additional AWG for that, but any number of Siglent AWG work for this) etc, than SDS8000xHD is the choice.Since you already have SDS2000X+, 800xHD drives pretty much the same..

author: tautech
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timestamp: June 25, 2024, 08:17:23 am
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 25, 2024, 06:23:59 amNo.Hack is not public yet.For now if you must have 12bit SDS800X HD or 1000X HDandupgrade BW capability are your best bets.

author: Fungus
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timestamp: June 25, 2024, 09:49:30 am
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 25, 2024, 06:23:59 amYes.Quote from: Markus2801A on June 25, 2024, 06:23:59 amOnly the extra connector on the front is different.Quote from: Markus2801A on June 25, 2024, 06:23:59 amBecause the measured bandwidths of these 'scopes are MUCH higher than what the stickers say on the front.The "DHO814" configuration has 200MHz real bandwidth and that's the best choice for this hardware.

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: June 25, 2024, 10:23:40 am
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 25, 2024, 06:23:59 amI think what people here are trying to tell you is that because the DHO800 AND DHO900 series have 1.25 Gb/s sampling, as you use more channels that sampling rate drops to 312.5 Mb/s at 4 channels, which is not sufficient for accurate 200 MHz BW work. The DHO814 is rated for 100 MHz so is in the 'safe zone' for accurate sampling using 4 channels. Rigol seems to be playing a little game advertising BW because both DHO800 and DHO900 can only accurately sample 200MHz with 2 channels due to 1.25 Gb/s sampling shared across all channels. So if you upgrade DHO804 to DHO900 series and use 4 channels for 200 MHz BW work you may not realize the results are questionable - safer to limit BW to what sampling is capable of.But nothing stops you from upgrading DHO800 to DHO900 for other features if you keep that in mind. The problem is you can easily forget.Siglent has 2 Gb/s sampling, so can more safely use 4 channels for 200 MHz BW work. Of course, not everyone need such high BW to begin with.

author: Markus2801A
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timestamp: June 26, 2024, 07:49:23 pm
content: Too bad the Siglent SDS804X HD seems to have a long delivery time and the SDS814X HD costs almost +100€ more.So I will have to wait and have more time to rethink my whole purchase decision.Are there any other suitable models out there that I may have overlooked?Kind regards,Markus

author: Martin72
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timestamp: June 26, 2024, 08:10:13 pm
content: QuoteYou would recoup this with the sale of your DS1054Z...

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: June 26, 2024, 08:52:24 pm
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 26, 2024, 07:49:23 pmIt’s worth 100 Euros if you can wait - the SDS804X can be upgraded to the 200 MHz SDS824X version for free…. That’s nearly a 25% savings compared to the SDS814X.

author: Martin72
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timestamp: June 26, 2024, 09:10:32 pm
content: QuoteCertainly not when it comes to affordable "real" 12bit (i.e. without restrictions).At the moment, the 12-bit is really hyped.In this hype, it's easy to overlook the pitfalls of higher resolution, especially when it has to be cheap.The signal display on the SDS2000X HD, for example, is not comparable with that on the SDS800X HD, although both displays have the same resolution and a smaller display would normally have an advantage, which is not the case here.Also, during the time I had the SDS800X HD in the house, I could not find a clear test situation where it clearly stands out from a low-noise 8-bit scope like the SDS1104X-E in terms of signal presentation.And that is the point.What do you expect from the higher ADC resolution, but what the brochures of all manufacturers always emphasize?A clearer representation of the waveforms.If I have the same display on the screen as on my old 8-bit scope, then the 12 bits are of little use to me.But I experienced this difference with the 2000X HD.

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: June 26, 2024, 09:53:13 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on June 26, 2024, 09:10:32 pmSince the resolution is the same, do you attribute the difference in display quality to be due to size, or does the SDS2000X draw the same signal differently?

author: Martin72
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timestamp: June 26, 2024, 10:14:39 pm
content: The last.In the SDS800X HD thread I´ve posted the difference, will search for it tomorrow.

author: points2
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timestamp: June 30, 2024, 12:06:42 am
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on June 25, 2024, 06:23:59 amhi Markus,you have a Siglent 2104Xplus... me too !So, I guess that, like me, & thanks to smart guys from the forum, your 2104X+ has beeen converted to a stunning 2504X+ ("stunning" given the price you paid for the 2104X+...) : correct ?If correct (you have a 2504X+), why are you looking for a "cheap" alternative to your 2504X+ ?Back to basic : the price of a scope is related to : BW & sample rate. Only these 2 features... simply because only these 2 matter !(1)based on that : a 2104X+ converted in a 2504x+ is still a bargain !So, given that I have a 2504X+, me too, I was looking for an alternative a few months ago.But, given (1), I looked for a scope that would go far above the feature of my 2504x+ => to get a duo of scope : the 2504x+ to measure basic stuff / the other to measure way above the limits of the 2504x+What was "far above" at "fair price" ? the GigaWave sampling scope ! but I bought instead an old Picoscope 9211a (same price & more features... I wanted a Pico for a long time because of display/remote/etc), and it's a gem, like the GigaWave (price tag = 3kEur))Of course,I'm talking about these alternatives because I get stuck @ the lower end of the 2504x+ : 1ns & belowIf it's not your case, looking for an alternative to your scope is uselessIf it's your case : get the GigaWave to backup the 2504x+ & go deeperif this post is not ok somewhere, please reply to explain where I'm wrong

author: Markus2801A
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timestamp: June 30, 2024, 07:35:58 am
content: Quote from: points2 on June 30, 2024, 12:06:42 amYou're completely right!Quote from: points2 on June 30, 2024, 12:06:42 amI thought it would be a good idea to keep me up2date also with new interface/gui options etc.Quote from: points2 on June 30, 2024, 12:06:42 amExactly! AFAIK It's the best DSO out there, capable of high BW (with hack) for around €1,250.But I really would like to have a new DSO with stronger and better FFT capabilities and also state of the art GUI and features.Maybe I also should take theMagnovaDSO´s into closer consideration? They are higher priced, of course, but look very promising.

author: Martin72
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timestamp: June 30, 2024, 10:04:23 pm
content: Hi,QuoteWhat don't you like about the Siglent GUI?What could be different, "state of the art"?The GUI of the touchscreen models is basically the same, whether SDS800X HD or SDS7000A.The only option would be to switch to a different brand.And what is meant by "stronger and better FFT capabilities"?In terms of features, the Siglent FFT function is one of the best.You can control the speed yourself by selecting the memory points.If you have watched a normal spectrum analyzer at work as it "cycles" through the frequencies, you know that "slow" is relative.QuoteMagnova is (still) an unknown component, but there is a lot to suggest that Scope is taking a different approach to the rest of the scene.

author: Markus2801A
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timestamp: July 01, 2024, 05:39:23 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on June 30, 2024, 10:04:23 pmThe Siglent GUI is very good indeed, I was hoping for some updates in the newer models in terms of usability etc.You know how "iOS" evolves with each version.So I think Rigol has changed it`s user interface in the newer models, may have to go with this one as a STEP UP from DS1045Z as FUNGUS stated here in the very first answer I got.Quote from: Martin72 on June 30, 2024, 10:04:23 pmRegarding the FFT: I am always looking for new improvements in its implementation.I think MAGNOVA is actually taking a different and innovative approach.Quote from: Martin72 on June 30, 2024, 10:04:23 pmThat's exactly what appeals to me! I could imagine that BATRONIX is the only company to have invented and designed the oscilloscope from scratch. Just as they advertise it.I just need to save up a little more money :-)

author: hpw
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timestamp: July 01, 2024, 08:13:36 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on June 30, 2024, 10:04:23 pmSDS2000 HD 2M FFTSDS3000 HD 4M FFTSDS7000A 32M FFTand all with only FFT Window: Rectangular, Blackman, Hann, Hamming, Flattop, as we need for sureany better performing FFT Windowslike BH7...Hp

author: 2N3055
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timestamp: July 01, 2024, 08:27:09 am
content: Quote from: hpw on July 01, 2024, 08:13:36 amWhich scopes are better?What are you comparing to? Imaginary dream device?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2024, 08:46:38 am
content: Quote from: Markus2801A on July 01, 2024, 05:39:23 amAnd 5 Siglent FW updates were released a few days ago.Each offered an improvement and/or new features...... just part of ongoing product development.

author: hpw
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timestamp: July 01, 2024, 03:26:34 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on July 01, 2024, 08:27:09 amWell, wellmay look attached, as you may than understand ... the gear required to go any better on PN & AN measurements.Picture note: Spectrum from equal samples. Used coherent measurement of ADC & DAC 24/32 bit. Signal at fs/4 where SR is about 40kHz. ENF means enhanced noise floor.As this forum has a broad user experiences, as from turtles to professionals.So what is the best, as maximal budget with acceptable performance?Any professional would do any sheet with list of MUST HAVE and each weighted and also nice to have.I currently own a WM8600 & SDA6020 LeCroy with nice RIS (200Gs) and Jitter analysis. But those are only 8 bit.In addition for fast signal checks the SDS2000X Plus as 10bit acquisition is nice.This means a LeCroy WavePro HD would be the next best as for me Siglent is for away getting into this figures while simple noperformance specification given.Even the LeCroy WavePro HD now 12 bit but ENOB still not the yellow on the egg. So for may 12 hours of measurement using this xxk$ gear,no ROI is given so it would be any better to rent it or waiting again 20 years until they get cheap.At the end of the day, using my own weighting list (performance & service & support & long term behavior with Asia), many affordable fails soon out of the list as no value.Hp

author: points2
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timestamp: July 03, 2024, 02:45:40 am
content: hi markus2801A,Quote from: Markus2801A on June 30, 2024, 07:35:58 amthanks to say to me that I'm right, but like most of engineer... I think that I missed a big shity piece of thing somewhereback to subject :why are you looking for a DSO that has "top-notch" spectrum analyzer features ?...On my side : I have a 2104X+ converted to 2504X+ ...and I can't replace it because vs GSample & BWith, it is a bargain !then, how to upgrade my scope ?I found the answer "easily" => get the device that does the job you want !As simple as that !To sumup :- you have a DSO (not cheap !) => cool- you get a TinySA Ultra (>100Eur) => you have a nice SA- you get a TinyPFA (70Eur) => you have a wonderfull device ... if it fits your needs...- you get a LiteVNA (>100Eur) => you have a top-notch VNAso, if you don't have those last 3 into the list => get them b4 swaping to another DSO (my2 cents)time related display (oscope), can be usefullbut frequency related display can be more usefullmy 2 cents !...hope it helps / or feel free to correct if I'm wrong / no brainer