TESLA FSD beta - Page 1
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author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2020, 09:53:13 pm
content: Tesla full self driving closed (early) beta.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2020, 10:08:01 pm
content: I want to see that in a real dense traffic in more challenging weather conditions. Driving on well maintained empty roads in California manually is not a huge deal really.I understand that not everything can be done at once and all that, but this again starts to look like false advertising. I'm fine with that as long as it stays in beta until it actually works.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2020, 10:19:09 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on November 07, 2020, 10:08:01 pmThose roads were not empty BTW. It was literally driving around a car standing in the middle of the road.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2020, 10:25:29 pm
content: This is cool. But I meant like pot holes. On my commute (when it was a thing) I had to strategically change lanes to avoid suspension-killing pot holes. Human can learn this stuff after running into one a couple times. I'm not sure about auto pilot.With pure gravel road you have consistently slower speed.Also, temporary traffic cones, temporary road markings during construction time, reroutes. Stuff that is sometimes hard to figure out as a human.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2020, 10:30:05 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on November 07, 2020, 10:25:29 pmSeems to deal fine with those already. There are plans to implement pot hole avoidinghttps://cleantechnica.com/2020/10/03/tesla-full-self-driving-will-include-pothole-avoidance-vector-space-birds-eye-view-what-else/

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2020, 10:40:49 pm
content: Speed bumps:

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2020, 07:19:07 am
content: The videos I've seen of "FSD" so far have been like a teenager getting behind the wheel for the first time. Yes, the beta, not people using current version wherever. Is it an uninterrupted drive from getting in to parking in these videos?

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2020, 08:23:39 am
content: Yes, it drives a bit like a nervous teenager right now and requires assistance from time to time. But it is still fairly impressive that this is done with vision alone.Waymo vehicles drive more like an experienced, but safe driver. In the US the biggest difficulty they have are unprotected left turns. (Right turns in the UK/Aus/etc.) In some ways, these are 'unsafe' - you just have to gun it to be able to make a gap in heavy traffic, while hoping no one in the car park you're turning into steps out.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 09, 2020, 01:11:43 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on November 09, 2020, 08:23:39 amThe difference with Waymo is that Tesla can drive anywhere. Does not need high detail mapping. And Waymo technology is unrealistic for wide use because of the price of that hood on top and no realistic possibility to pre-map everything.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2020, 10:20:45 am
content: Quote from: wraper on November 09, 2020, 01:11:43 pmTesla are still using HD maps. It needs to know lanes for turns, traffic signals etc. The map is 'fitted' to the vision so the car can then read where cars are and what traffic signals are set to.The big disadvantage with Waymo is that it requires quadruple LIDAR sensors which are like $20k USD each. Whereas Tesla is using vision alone using conventional automotive cameras (<$100/piece, RCCB CMOS sensor).

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 10, 2020, 02:20:09 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on November 10, 2020, 10:20:45 amNo it does not. There are no HD maps. Those are usual maps as in GPS navigator.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 10, 2020, 04:36:00 pm
content: Quote

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2020, 11:13:26 pm
content: OK, I suppose it's a matter of terminology there, perhaps they aren't HD maps but there is vision fitting to maps at the very least.I do believe Tesla will crack this but like all self-driving car projects it is the long tail of "what does it do in situation <X>?"Waymo have been comparatively slow to develop the self-driving vehicles that can only navigate in Phoenix, AZ, in mostly good weather. (LIDAR doesn't handle heavy rain or snow well.)

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2020, 12:10:41 am
content: Quote from: tom66 on November 10, 2020, 11:13:26 pmMaps are for navigation. But driving happens according to vision/radar (road, it's marking and and sign recognition).

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2020, 12:23:48 am
content: At 16:30 you can see how it drives around debris on the road. And at the other parts of the video you can see that sometimes it takes a wrong lane on intersections.