WTB (UK/EU): Engineer PA-09 crimp tool - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 07:54:41 pm
content: I am looking for anEngineer PA-09crimp tool, and thought I would see if there is anyone here who has one they don't need any more and are willing to sell.Alternatively, the PA-20 would mostly satisfy my potential needs, so might consider that instead if the price is right.

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 08:27:14 pm
content: you know you have an seller for these in UK, right?http://www.precisehandtools.com/

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 08:57:48 pm
content: They have an Ebay store too. I bought one a few weeks ago.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/universal-mini-micro-crimping-tool-molex-kk-zh-jst-xh-sl-amp-jst-engineer-PA-09-/251268499824

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 09:05:19 pm
content: yes, I bought loads of stuff from them, got good deal on shipping to Norway even.Had to do it through email since ebay (atleast then) just added shipping on each item.Great people to deal with.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 09:18:56 pm
content: I bought them directly from the manufacturer through amazon, I got a very polite and nice thank you and have a wonderfull life with some original green japanese tea.

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 09:41:17 pm
content: Yes, I am aware that they are readily available to me on eBay or Amazon. But I'm looking for a used one for less money.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 10:13:32 pm
content: That is a nice looking crimp tool for small terminals.Thanks for sharing this one, I ordered one.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 10:47:39 pm
content: I'd never use a non-ratchet crimp tool! Crimping is a cold welding process which needs to have a certain amount of pressure applied. Also a ratchet tool usually crimps both the contact and the strain relief in one go.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 07:05:05 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 22, 2017, 10:47:39 pmIn theory I agree with you which means that you have to order the manufacturers dedicated ratchet crimp tool for each and every connector costing over $200 each up to $800 for each and every single type of connector out there. This might be feasible for a small or large business making money out of them but for hobbieists this is a big no-go.Alternatively there are clones, so I bought Chinese clones costing $25 and throw them away because they were garbage and messed up the crimp, there are many topics on this forum about this, search for Dupont and SJT.The Engineer PA tool has a very good die which means although you have to manually apply the force and for some connectors have to crimp twice the crimp is good and decent.The under or overapplication of force might take some work in practice it works fast.What I do not like is that the connector is not hold in place which is the case with the expensive manufacturers ratchet crimping tools so three hands would be usefull

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 07:39:37 am
content: Number of crimps required to get the job done = 4Required quality level = laboratory use by me onlyPrice of genuine Molex crimp tool, ~£300Price of PA-09, £40

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 08:12:05 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 22, 2017, 10:47:39 pmFor many terminals I have the expensive ratchet crimp tools.But for some laboratory (One-At-A-Time) terminals it just does not make sense to invest in every single special tool. So, this one might be perfect for that.I find some of these ratchet crimp tools outrageously expensive. Having a full drawer of it makes it a small investment. And it even does not make any sense, that they are so expensive these days.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 08:20:41 am
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on August 23, 2017, 08:12:05 amNumbers sold are low, but what I really really would love is a very good ratchet tool with multiple replaceable diesets for the most common connectors.If the tool itself is $200 and the dies are around $40 each that would be a very good expandable base system. Unfortunately every connector manufacturer sells their own crimptools and they are all targeted for major businesses.

author: nali
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 09:43:26 am
content: I bought a PA-09 and PA-21 (bigger) for prototyping / proof of concept, they're pretty good all rounders.Not quite so good for some connectors e.g. JST which have especially long "ears" for the strain relief part of the crimp. But a quick snip prior to crimping sorts that out.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 10:37:38 am
content: Quote from: Kjelt on August 23, 2017, 08:20:41 amLook at Knipex and Rennsteig (High Quality section of Knipex)All made in Germany and they have a huge selection of tools and replaceable dies.https://www.rennsteig.com/en/products/crimpingAnd these are really nice universal ratcheted crimp tools, made in Germany.And the prices are acceptable.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 11:22:53 am
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on August 23, 2017, 10:37:38 amThanks I have one of those for the (don't know the english names) isolated and non-isolated shoeconnectors used in cars, aderendhulzen (cableend connectors ) and sorts.But I was talking about the specialty connectors from Amp, JST, Molex, Dupont, those that need sometimes a double crimp, one for the cable and one for the conductor, I have not found a universal die system that can handle those. For those connectors I use the pioneer.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 12:41:45 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on August 23, 2017, 11:22:53 amaderendhulzen = ferruleQuoteI heard that some of the terminal manufactures have protected their intellectual properties with patents, copyrights and trademarks so that nobody is allowed to copy their special crimping tools / dies.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 01:49:03 pm
content: QuoteThat is probably the reason there are no generic tools with exchangable dies available

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 06:37:13 pm
content: Now everyone has debated the merits of ratcheting vs non-ratcheting, the absurd pricing of manufacturer tools, and swappable dies... back to theactualsubject of this thread:Does anyone have a used PA-09 they want to sell?

author: donkey77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 08:55:30 pm
content: I know, I know, sorry to go back off topic but don't these pressmaster multi die tools do both the conductor and the insulation?http://www.pressmaster.se/product/mct_die73#.WZ3q7XOIuW0.link

author: Dave
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2017, 03:39:48 am
content: Last year I bought this tool directly from Japan from a seller on Rakuten. The total with shipping was 4415 JPY, considerably cheaper than most eBay offers.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 09:05:20 am
content: You can also look at the HOZAN P-706May be it is cheaperIt is also a very nice tool from Japanhttp://www.hozan.co.jp/E/catalog/Crimpers/P706.html

author: mr.os
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 11:36:08 am
content: There is also a HOZAN P-707 with ratchet. At first look it's promising. You can buy it on ebay for around 80$ which is in my opinion not cheap but okay for this type of tool. It is not so much more than the Engineer or the simpler Hozan crimp tool.When I read it right Hozan should be a brand manufacturer with good tools? Than (after a couple of cheap different chinese crimping tools) I will try the ratchet one...

author: noidea
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 01:40:58 pm
content: I have some Hozan bicycle repair tools, they are good quality so they should be ok

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 01:58:24 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on August 23, 2017, 08:12:05 amYou can buy decent ratchet crimpers for $50 to $100. As a bonus they typically crimp the conductor and insulation in one go.

author: WackyGerman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 03:37:42 pm
content: Just look for the CIMCO click n crimp tool , Nr. 10 600 2 . It s a really good tool and you can crimp almost everything because you can buy many different crimping profiles and just click the right one in the tool to go ahead . And it is not that expensive , the price is 99 Eur. at Ebay

author: KNSSoftware
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 01:31:10 pm
content: A match made in heaven... think of all the crimping babies you could have!https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/fs-(uk)-klauke-ek-50ml-electromechanical-crimp-tool/

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 02:04:23 pm
content: Quote from: KNSSoftware on August 29, 2017, 01:31:10 pmOnly for the car type of clamps, the PA-09 is much more suited for the open barrel double crimp type miniature connectors.

author: RobIII
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 12, 2018, 01:14:44 am
content: I came here looking for the same thing; a used PA-09 (or PA-21).These can't be beat by the ratcheting and other crimping tools; If you look at youtube there's tens of video's comparing them and the Engineering PA-09/PA-21 always come out on top. 2 Examples:***(Sorry for the embedded video's; I tried to post a link only but it gets turned into embedded video's)...I normally don't mind spending a little extra; a good tool is half the battle and good tools may cost a little extra. However, I rarely crimp such connectors (in my case: dupont connectors) which would probably come down to $2 per crimped connector after about 5 yearsSo if there's a place where I could get my hands on a used PA-09/PA-21 for half the money that'd be great. Unfortunately my search hasn't turned up anything useful (yet). I could go for the clones or ratcheting stuff etc. but I would rather get my hands on the right tool for the job in the first place. I know I want to have my cake and eat it too, but, hey, one can dream, right?

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2018, 01:34:52 am
content: I doubt anyone will want to part with one!Once you can quickly and reliably do these crimps you may find yourself doing a lot more of them..