Manncorp PnP Help! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: mendez
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 21, 2021, 01:53:22 pm
content: I recently bought a Manncorp 391 (should work similar to newer Manncorps since It uses the new smart feeders) and as soon as I open the software I get an error message "Hardware Missing" (see attachment).This error is BEFORE I home the machine; it's the first thing that pops up after I open the software. After I click OK, I can home the machine and use it.My question is: As soon as you open the application, and before the homing operation, anyone knows what kind of checks the machine does? Ex. Does it operate the vacuum, turn the lights, etc?Thanks for the help!

author: mendez
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 22, 2021, 05:52:50 am
content: Looks like no one owns a manncorp

author: kylehunter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 22, 2021, 02:57:18 pm
content: It's been a day, on a used machine, that isn't widely used in production.. I'd be a bit more patient.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 22, 2021, 04:16:33 pm
content: Seeing the error you might want to ask AutoTronik what error 1303 means or even better for future mishap a detailed list of error codes.Did you not get a manual with the machine when you bought it?Sometimes it is on the computer itself, look around for documentation and back everything up.https://www.autotronik-smt.de/en/products/smd-bestueckungsautomat

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 22, 2021, 04:39:35 pm
content: First, I know nothing about Manncorp. But, guessing from the fact that it works after you get out of the error dialog, I'm guessing there's a config file in the software that has a particular machine option turned on, but that option is not actually present in the hardware. You might look for the config/option/settings file and see if it is human-readable. Or, maybe you can access the machine options list through the software, and see if there's an option checked that your machine doesn't have.Yes, as others said, you DEFINITELY want to get all the manuals you can get for your machine, otherwise it's like driving with a blindfold on.Jon

author: lwatts666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 23, 2021, 09:20:49 am
content: Error 1303 is very often used to indicate that the user does not have access rights to a file or directory - it comes from deeper inside windows.It does not quite match with the missing hardware part of the message though.Make sure you have admin rights on the machine.

author: mendez
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2021, 09:20:29 pm
content: Thanks everyone for the help.I was able to talk with Airtronik since Manncorp policy is not to help. They told me that looks like a software bug because the machine seems to work fine.I have the User and Service Manuals. I plan on re-installing the software but first I will backup the harddrive to make sure I don't fup something.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2021, 09:31:46 pm
content: I would recommend to Buy a new hdd or an ssd if your os is win7 or higher , they are very cheap nowadays and clone the originaldisk, keep the original disk in the vault as master.

author: mendez
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2021, 03:05:24 am
content: Quote from: Kjelt on January 24, 2021, 09:31:46 pmThat is exactly what I'm doing. The OS is Windows 2K, and I purchased the same new Harddrive (old IDE style) that I plan to clone it (2 HDDS). Later I plan to buy the IDE to SATA conversion and try to use an SSD to see if it works.Anyone knows if there are replacement nozzles out there?

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2021, 07:20:27 am
content: That is an old OS that does not "know' SSDs and does not know TRIM.It writes a lot of times the same file in the same location so a normal non trim ssd will wear out quickly.You need a rather expensive indystrial Transcend Pata ide ssd, it has buildin trim, smallest is 32GB and costs around $50.-

author: mendez
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2021, 07:47:21 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on January 25, 2021, 07:20:27 amThat makes sense. I plan on using one of my spare drives and upgrade to windows XP. XP is what newer manncorp runs with. I might buy one 128gb Transcend to test it out. Also, the current PC has 256gb and I plan to upgrade it to 1GB ram; it should at least make things run a bit smoother. Agreed?

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2021, 09:31:46 pm
content: Yes the 128GB might be overkill depending on how large your current hdd install is, for data you can add a second hdd.RAM put in what you can afford, upto about 4GB will be supported by XP.While your at it, replace the cmos battery if your motherboard has one.Make a note of the motherboard and try to score a spare one the coming years. Just in case.

author: mendez
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2021, 11:28:48 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on January 25, 2021, 09:31:46 pmDo you recommend me buying the complete PC in spares ? I think I can find it but I will be spending ~2-3K, easy.

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2021, 11:46:23 pm
content: Is there any special hardware in the PC? You might find any old PC works, depends if you need something like old school PCI slots or worse ISA or if dedicated hardware has difficult/impossible to install drivers on a fresh install. Anything that plans for future problems is wise, how much you should spends depends upon what you think that machine is worth...

author: mendez
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2021, 12:04:10 am
content: Quote from: SMTech on January 25, 2021, 11:46:23 pmHonestly Speaking, I really like the machine. It's a 391V1-V and uses the newer version smart feeders. I only used a few hours and is dead solid. Runs out 110V and is not that big (48x48in). It does have some ISA boards and I check replacement parts and they are quite expensive. I think I will plan on keeping the machine for 5 years at least

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2021, 06:00:31 am
content: Quote from: mendez on January 25, 2021, 11:28:48 pmOuch that is quite a heavy price tag.It is up to you like smtech says. My recommendation was just to look for the parts over time for normal low prices on Ebay etc. Perhaps ask here on the forum or old retro pc fora or sites and like a collector take the time. When something does break you can swap and be up running in hours. If your business can sustain a week downtime then you can wait till something goes wrong.Ask other people with older pnp machines about their spare parts strategy and experience.