New HAMEG HMC8012 Digital Multimeter - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: zaoka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 01:12:16 pm
content: Looks nice and price is not that bad for Hameg: around 650EURO.5 ¾-Digit Display (480,000 Counts)Simultaneous Display of 3 Measurements, e.g. DC + AC + StatisticsUp to 200 Measurements per SecondDC Basic Accuracy 0,015%12 Measurements Functions: DCV, DCI, True RMS, ACV and ACI, Frequency, 2- and 4-Wire Resistance, Capacitance, Continuity,Diode Test, Temperature, PowerCrisp color TFT display for excellent readabilityResolution: 1?V, 100 nA, 1m?, 1pF, 1Hz, 0,1 °CTrue RMS Measurement AC, AC + DCMathematic Functions: Limit Testing, Minimum/Maximum, Average, Offset, DC Power, dB, dBmTemperature Measurements with Platinum Sensors (PT100/PT500/PT1000)Data Logging in .CSV-Format to Internal Memory or USB-StickInterfaces: USB-TMC and Ethernet (LXI in Preparation), optional IEEE-488 (GPIB)SCPI commands widely compatible with Agilent 34410A[HMC8012-G]: HMC8012 incl. IEEE-488 (GPIB) interfacehttp://www.hameg.com/716.0.html?&L=0Like them on Facebook and enter a chance to win 1 of 5 DMMs!

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 01:27:21 pm
content: Very nice, I'm liking that!Assuming it doesn't run any version of Windows (already sent them an email), I will order one today.

author: zaoka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 01:30:34 pm
content: Is it available in USA?I have very best experience with Hameg.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 01:33:08 pm
content: Not sure if available, I didn't have any issues getting the HM8118 LCR meter.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 07:01:20 pm
content: A nice german design.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 07:25:41 pm
content: way too expensive for 5.5digits from their webstore but it's probably a good indicator of the general price point we're talking about.

author: DaveW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 09:29:06 pm
content: I've been playing with one (am filming a full review at the moment). It's a very nice meter overall. A couple of unusual things, it can measure voltage and current simultaneously and display power. The logging is also nicely done, the logging length is only limited by the size of the USB stick which is a handy feature, have tried running it for several days continuously. Ethernet by default is a nice touch as well

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 09:34:39 pm
content: Quote from: DaveW on October 21, 2013, 09:29:06 pmPlease post back when you have it uploaded.

author: sprocket
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 12:51:31 am
content: The price seems to be about the same as for rigols DM3068 top model. And at a quik glance the spec's is about the same too.The Hameg got 4-Wire Resistance measurent which I can see could be very handy, the rigols as far as I can tell, dosnt have that.. Other then that I cant really see any differance between them except the hamag has a much nicer front display panel.

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 01:35:44 am
content: Quote from: DaveW on October 21, 2013, 09:29:06 pmWhat's the boot timeI truly dislike the recent trend in test instrument makers to put a full fledged OS in there...[ Yes, I am a software engineer and a hardware engineer, and I fully understand the time-to-market benefits of being able to develop software in a familiar desktop environment and move it onto the embedded platform for execution.. but... I find that many of the developers of these platforms make no effort to choose an OS that is more suited, or if they go with Linux or Windows CE (blech!!!) they don't make any effort to trim the boot times. ]

author: mimmus78
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 09:15:15 am
content: Problem is not Linux ... here an example of:Super Fast Boot of Embedded Linux - 300 milliseconds - from boot loader to shellhttp://www.makelinux.com/emb/fastboot/omap

author: psycho0815
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 12:47:15 pm
content: Looks pretty nice. However according to their website it's 649€ + Tax. Here in germany that puts it at a whopping 772€. That's a lot. Might still be worth it i don't know.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 05:06:39 pm
content: Over US800 for a 5.5 Digit multimeter? Even A new Agilent or Fluke 5.5 digit would cost less.. Or buy 6-7 3478/8840s

author: casinada
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 05:15:10 pm
content: http://www.keithley.com/products/dcac/dmm/broadpurpose/?mn=2110-100They are in the price range.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 05:16:29 pm
content: Quote from: echen1024 on October 22, 2013, 05:06:39 pmA new Fluke/Tek 8808A is $1040 with SW and cable, about $800 without. The Agilent 34405A is right at $800 as well.This new Hameg is more compact, which is a HUGE plus IMO (cause of the depth). I've requested a price quote, so far no responses. Also need to see how well it stacks up, the Fluke/Tek/Agilent listed above are 100% proven meters, hard to beat proven at the same price.I typically prefer VFD vs the LCD on the Hameg, but it looks like their contrast and coloring is unique, kinda like my console windows!

author: owiecc
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 06:01:45 pm
content: Quote from: DaveW on October 21, 2013, 09:29:06 pmThis is nice. It is a good choice for power electronics engineers. Two measurements for the price of one.It would be even nicer if you could connect two of them via ethernet or whatever and automatically display efficiency.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 06:06:24 pm
content: Quote from: owiecc on October 22, 2013, 06:01:45 pmIt does have ethernet logging to .csv, so you could at least combine them afterwards, or live via LXI.

author: owiecc
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 06:25:51 pm
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on October 22, 2013, 06:06:24 pmBut a multimeter that is so nicely designed to measure power ought to have is built in. Like when power supplies can work together as master/slave using an interconnect cable.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 06:44:04 pm
content: Sure, I don't disagree. A nice web based "Math" configuration menu where you can select from an array of compatible test equipment?Sounds like a winner to me

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 11:09:37 am
content: I know most don't care about this, but here is Hemeg's response to my base OS query:"The operating system of the HMC8012 does not based on a Windows system. It is an Hameg ownoperating system."Good news indeed

author: Attorney
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 04:27:14 pm
content: Looks like a very nice DMM. I'm still waiting for the day when a decent bench DMM is made with a depth of only a few inches -- kinda' like the depth shrinkage that's been happening with DSOs and spectrum analyzers. Sure, I can use a high-quality handheld DMM, but a short-depth bench DMM would be a great alternative.Paul

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 05:25:06 pm
content: Quote from: mimmus78 on October 22, 2013, 09:15:15 amYep. That is exactly what I meant when I said that they DON'T tune it. It can be fast, but they don't bother.

author: Zbig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 05:50:48 pm
content: The UI looks awful. The faux-3D, "raised" panels with rounded corners remind me the mid-nineties crop of Windows shareware programs or button-shaped links on Geocities homepages of the past. They even put a screenshot in the user's manual where the text doesn't actually fit in these panelsThat said, it really looks like a nice meter feature- and quality-wise.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 06:02:05 pm
content: I got a quote back from R&S (parent company of Hameg) themselves, still waiting on another US dealer to come back.HMC8012 $836.57Ethernet/USB, USB stick connectorHMC8012 $939.85IEEE-488(GPIB), USB stick connector

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 12:03:14 am
content: Quote from: DaveW on October 21, 2013, 09:29:06 pmYou mean someone actually uses these things? I thought all you were supposed to do is measure the boot-up time.Look forward to the review

author: zaoka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 04:29:56 pm
content: Hameg had good US dealer with affordable prices. I could not find it anymore on the Google.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 04:41:45 pm
content: Straight from R&S was the cheapest, with free shipping, it's on order.7-10 days they said...

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 05:10:18 pm
content: Awesome, that means it will be review time in 7-10 days right?

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 05:14:18 pm
content: Quote from: robrenz on October 24, 2013, 05:10:18 pmYou betcha! It comes flying apart the day I receive it!

author: zaoka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 08:30:39 pm
content: hahaah good !!!

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 11:53:39 pm
content: "The day the equipment comes through my door is the day the cal seal is broken."

author: mimmus78
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 25, 2013, 07:14:31 pm
content: Or maybe it was never there ;-)

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 26, 2013, 09:13:42 am
content: I'm on the hunt for a bench multimeter in that range. And I have a fried who works for R&S. I smell profit here...

author: DaveW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2013, 09:12:22 pm
content: It took a bit longer than I hoped, but as promised,Basically it's a very nice multimeter indeed and will probably get better with firmware updates. The downsides are that the probes are a bit rubbish and the continuity buzzer could be louder. Hope it's of interest!David

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 14, 2013, 06:24:01 am
content: Nice review and thanks for making it.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2013, 01:40:03 pm
content: I should really do a complete review myself. As Dave said the meter is excellent and the videos just don't do the display justice.I'm really anxious to see what is next in the HMC line up.

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2013, 04:13:02 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on December 14, 2013, 06:24:01 am+1