Spoof of a corporate add for Ausie Coal - Page 1
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author: JonnyBoats
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2014, 02:25:28 am
content: This is quite funny:http://www.upworthy.com/the-most-honest-and-awful-corporate-ad-i-have-ever-laid-my-eyes-on-no-they-arent-drunk-i-swear

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 16, 2014, 01:54:20 pm
content: , That IS funny, even though, on the other hand, it is true. Still funny, however.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2014, 02:23:22 pm
content: Ha ha, yes funny, even though underlying assumptions are NOT true. Actually quite surprising to see Warmists being relatively subtle.When walking through coal mines and looking at all those massive seams of compressed plant matter, billions of tons of carbon, its very impressive to consider that it all was in the atmosphere as CO2 originally. Before fungi first evolved the metabolic pathways to break down Lignin , and so fallen tree trunks and stuff didn't decay much at all, but instead built up in huge deposits, to be buried and compressed to coal. That evolutionary development by fungi ended the Carboniferous Era, about 300 million years ago. No more future coal seams are being laid down.Today we are just reaching 400ppm atmospheric CO2, up from around 280ppm prior to the Industrial Revolution.Sounds bad, right? Well, actually, no. Most plants simply cannot survive below around 180 to 200ppm of atmospheric CO2, and 280ppm is getting very close to that starvation boundary.  With higher levels, plant growth vigor increases, and plant's requirements for water also diminish, allowing greening of drier environments. Which is why global pant growth and reclaiming of desert areas has been increasing recently. To listen to the Warmists, you'd think that rising CO2 was a big disaster, andany moment nowit will hit some critical level that will kill the planet. Because 400ppm, by god, it's never been that high before, right?Rubbish. In past ages Earth's atmospheric CO2 has routinely been over 2000ppm, and even as high as 5000ppm. It would be highly beneficial to get it back up to around 1000ppm. We should burn more coal!I used to believe the AGW panic story, until around 2008 when I found out how high CO2 has been in the geological past, and also that Earth's temperature in past ages hasn't correlated with CO2 levels at all.Here's the chart that first made me think 'wait a minute, something's wrong here. Either this chart is bullshit, or AGW is bullshit.'That's fromhttp://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.htmlDo you see the point? Actually several points. One is CO2 levels have almost never been as low as they are recently. Another is Earth's temperature - you should recognize that kind of signal. It's 'clamped noise', and most definitely not being driven by CO2 levels.On further investigation (years of it ), guess which side turns out to be a deliberate fabrication, pursued for money (lots of it) and ideological motivations?It's getting quite comical these days, since the Earth's temperature hasn't risen at all for the last 15 years, and is actually looking more like we're in for another 'little ice age' as solar output goes into a significant dip.As the CO2-Warmists' case gets thinner, they are getting ever more shrill. Their latest absurdity is they've announced that since global temperature isn't conforming to their models, they're going to switch to other metrics - whatever seems to be possibly going to work to support their agenda. Anyway, it's my experience that people who are belief-prone will generally refuse to consider information contrary to a belief in which they've emotionally invested. Usually this denial process involves anger. So now a bevy of outraged Warmists will insist I'm betraying the planet's future and betraying all our children by suggesting AGW is poppycock. Fine, go ahead.At least no one can claimI'mincapable of changing my views given new evidence. Heck, I remember back in the 60s and 70s the big scare was 'Snowball Earth' - the popular environmentalist idea that by messing with the environment we might cause Earth to ice over, and that would be a locked-in state due to high albedo. I believed it! Then the planet's temperature rose for a while (and we found out later that some people at conferences decided we all needed a damned good scaring in order to stop humans doing that nasty Industrial thing) so the new big scare was Global Warming. Which I too believed for years... until discovering inconvenient facts like CO2 has been immensely higher in the past with no ill effects, the Maunder Minimum, Little Ice Age, Medieval Warm period, no historical correlation over geological timescales between CO2 and temp, and the CRU emails leak in which the core AGW scare-mongers chatted among themselves about how they'll distort the science and what lies they'll push to further their agenda. The 'hockey stick' for example.And then that the temperature stopped rising back in the late 1990s, despite all the blatant efforts to fudge it higher by relocating measurement stations to hotter locations, and outright fraudulent data manipulation.Oh, and my favorite- that plain old water vapor vastly overwhelms any effect CO2 has on atmospheric transmission of infrared heat. Which incidentally has to come IN through the atmosphere, then go OUT through it again, so how is any transmissivity factor with no short term variation going to have any ground-level effect anyway? Not to mention a pile of research on factors which actually do modulate atmospheric IR transmissivity, like cosmic ray flux (controlled by the Sun and Solar Wind) causing cloud nucleation in the upper atmosphere.Anyway, it's all certainly been a learning experience. Ultimately, in how effectively mainstream media can manipulate public opinion. Especially when the small ownership clique of the MSM (6 corporations) have a common agenda with major governments.But mainly, the lesson is that belief itself is unscientific. When you can't actually do controlled experiments, then impartial investigation and consideration of all information sources (bearing in mind their revealed biases) is the only path to understanding.Referenceshttp://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=124570http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/greenhousegases/industrialrevolution.htmlhttps://sites.google.com/a/sheffield.ac.uk/djb-group/ecosystem-co2-starvation/joe-quirkhttp://www.climatedepot.com/2012/07/13/greenpeace-cofounder-dr-patrick-moore-thank-goodness-we-came-along-reversed-150-millionyear-trend-of-reduced-co2-levels-in-global-atmosphere-long-live-the-humans/http://everist.org/archives/links/__AGW_links.txthttp://everist.org/archives/links/__AGW_quotes.txthttp://everist.org/archives/links/__AGW_CRU_emails_links.txthttp://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/14/stunning-admission-and-a-new-excuse-for-the-pause-lousy-data/(And of course, on any point you should try picking a few keywords and googling around.)

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2014, 02:45:13 pm
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on June 17, 2014, 02:23:22 pmOf course not, it's yet another AGW alarmists propaganda piece. I think the general public fail to it less and less and even the alarmists recognize ithttp://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/01/global-warming-pause-climate-denial-public-opinion

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2014, 05:01:02 pm
content: IMHO global warming is used to make people use less energy. Even though there is still lots of coal and other fossile fuels left they will run out eventually. Secondly too much CO2 isn't good for humans (and animals). 5000ppm is right on the level where we start to feel the effects of CO2.

author: DenzilPenberthy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2014, 05:06:31 pm
content: I'll just leave this here...http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/environment/ig/Environment-Cartoons/If-Global-Warming-Is-A-Hoax.1-Bh.htm

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2014, 05:21:15 pm
content: Quote from: DenzilPenberthy on June 17, 2014, 05:06:31 pmJust another piece of propaganda that ignores the cost and exaggerates the outcome.One more similarity between the global warming alarmists and religious peoplehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_WagerI'll just leave this here...

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2014, 08:14:58 pm
content: QuoteNot sure if it a hoax but it is certain a religion and/or business for some.

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 19, 2014, 12:58:07 pm
content: We don't need another pointless global warming thread, they never end well.