"Gold" plated connectors....When and why? - Page 1
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author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 11:45:13 am
content: So what's really going on with these connectors? We all know that gold doesn't tarnish. But, on the other hand, it's not the best conductor. Also, I notice that very few pieces of test equipment has them. I assume it's a tin coating mix with something - all over brass, steel, or copper? - someone chime in on that....but the bigger question is:So gold.....Things we all know:a.) It's a marketing wank thing for consumers.b.) Oxidation is a real thingc.) I assume that gold plating is on the micro, thinnest of coating. So resistance is almost zero between a coated and non-coated contact.But when and where is a gold coating appropriate? For sure it's not on the lugs of an 8.5 digit mulitmeter. So....I'm confused. I'll just use an example we all know off hand of Dave's ucurrent "GOLD", and the golden lugs he used. Was there any practical advantage to that?My last question, is some of the "gold" connectors actually not gold at all?

author: VK5RC
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 11:49:57 am
content: I thought they were used mainly in RF connectors where the skin effect is active and a tarnished surface may be high resistance.

author: rs20
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 11:54:31 am
content: Oh, they're commonly available for non-RF uses as well -- USB & audio cables & plugs, 0.1" pin headers -- I like ordering gold-plated things because they're so damn shiny and gold!Well-designed, non-RF connectors will scrape through typical corrosion, if it is present. So industrial/marine/RF applications aside (i.e., for my purposes), it's just marketing and shininess as far as I know.

author: Zero999
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 11:57:24 am
content: Contact resistance, especially at very low voltages. With other metals the non-conductive oxide increases the contact resistance. At lower voltages it's even worse because the voltage is too low to breakdown the oxide layer so the resistance is even higher.Gold doesn't oxidise so even if it's slightly more resistive than copper, the contact resistance will be lower.I imagine at RF the best possible coating would be a layer of silver (the skin effect means most of the current flows through the outer layer) followed by a layer of gold to protect it but I admit I'm no RF expert.

author: PeterFW
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 12:14:00 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on March 15, 2015, 11:57:24 amI allways wondered why industrial audio connectors are silver plated.

author: jpb
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 12:50:55 pm
content: Quote from: VK5RC on March 15, 2015, 11:49:57 amWhen I worked on GaAs MMICs the test jigs were gold plated brass. I think that there were two reasons, one is to reduce resistive losses and I'd guess also that gold being soft makes a good contact. The pads on the chips themselves were gold and connected with gold bond wires.But I think when the move was made to microwave wafer probes (which were coplanar 50 ohm line essentially) a different, harder material was used for the contact.As a young engineer I rather liked using gold plated kit.The other thing I liked were the vibration resistant tables they used in clean rooms to mount the probe stations on - the tops of these were massive slabs of polished granite or marble.

author: coppice
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 12:55:32 pm
content: Quote from: PeterFW on March 15, 2015, 12:14:00 pmIndustrial audio connectors aren't silver plated. It became a stupid fashion for headphone sockets on consumer equipment, but it corrodes too much for any serious audio use. Cheap industrial connectors are gold plated, and the good ones for small signal things like mics use expensive exotic alloys.

author: wraper
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 01:02:22 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on March 15, 2015, 11:57:24 amRather low current, not voltage. Like in relays with wetting current rating.

author: wraper
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 01:07:38 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on March 15, 2015, 11:57:24 amYou cannot plate anything over everything. That's why ENIG on the PCBs consists of gold over nickel. It won't hold on bare copper. The same with connectors, there is nickel layer underneath the gold.

author: coppice
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 01:23:29 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on March 15, 2015, 11:57:24 amSilver is an awful coating for RF connectors, unless you are in a fairly dry location. In high humidity (e.g coastal areas) they blacken in days, and disintegrate in weeks. If you coat gold over silver the gold will be where the skin current flows. It defeats the resistance benefits of the silver.

author: PeterFW
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 02:30:37 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on March 15, 2015, 12:55:32 pmI knew i should have phrased that differently, let me try again.I allways wondered why the thounsands of dynamic microphone and balanced signal xlr connectors i soldered and used in the past 20 years were mostly silver plated.Ranging from wannabe dj, over band touring equipment to small small tv broadcasting stuff.I only noticed that they go for gold plating in the past... maybe 5 years.Until then most of the rugged, solid, expensive, water resitant stuff from name brand big time companies was silver plated.At least the stuff i bought, was given or came across.But yes, the Harting, Socapex and other high densitiy stuff was mostly nickel(?) or gold.

author: max_torque
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 02:33:05 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on March 15, 2015, 01:07:38 pmPure gold is also too soft to withstand the mechnical loadings in a connector contact set, hence it's normally a gold alloy, thinly plated over a thicker base layer, often as you say, of Nickel.

author: splin
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 05:06:56 pm
content: This AMP white paper 'Golden Rules: Guidelines For The Use Of Gold On Connector Contacts' is useful:http://www.te.com/documentation/whitepapers/pdf/aurulrep.pdfSummary: Gold plated contacts have excellent properties with some exceptions:1) Hot make and break circuits2) High contact force connections where the relatively soft gold suffers physical damage.3) Gold contacts should not be mated with tin contacts due to fretting corrosionAs you may expect, the details are important including the materials alloyed with the gold to harden it, the quality of the underplating (usually nickel) and the thickness of the gold. Cheap unbranded gold plated connectors probably have very thin (possibly soft) gold plating and thus may not be durable and may allow corrosion of the underlying copper due to the porosity of the gold plating.An important issue not mentioned in the white paper is that when gold plated metals are soldered, the resulting solder/gold alloy joint can be embrittled if sufficient gold is present reducing the reliability of the joints. This could be a particular problem for connectors where the solder joints will be stressed when the connectors are mated and seperated.Thin plating (such as sometimes used as a surface coting on bare PCBs) isn't a problem, but in the telecommunications manufacturer I worked at, gold in soldered joints was forbidden - to the point that the gold plating had to be removed from components which came with gold plated leads as standard - such as some TO-18 metal can transistors including BC109s etc.And as for the skin effect for RF applications, whilst the resistivity of gold is approx 45% higher than copper, this is ameliorated by the fact that the skin depth is proportional to the square root of the resistivity. Thus gold will have approx 20% more resistance than copper or 24% more than silver at high frequencies.Splin

author: Siwastaja
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 05:20:07 pm
content: Quote from: PeterFW on March 15, 2015, 02:30:37 pmI have never seen a silver plated audio or video connector, and I have worked with audio/video connectors quite a bit. Either they are something relatively recent, or you have some weird-ass niche source of those connectors, or, as I suspect, you have just been mistaking something else as "silver" for those 20 years - probably nickel, which, alongside gold, is the most common plating in audio connectors. Gold plating started appear more in the late 90's. Both are good. Silver plating would kinda suck, as already stated by others, that's why it's not normally used in audio connectors. It's like copper, it oxidizes too easily and forms a semi-conductive oxide.Material DC or AC resistance has nothing to do with this. Any of those materials, gold, silver, copper or even nickel has good enough resistance for practically every purpose. It's only about corrosion and mechanical durability.

author: PeterFW
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 05:41:02 pm
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on March 15, 2015, 05:20:07 pmTake a look in the datasheets, amphenol, neutrik, hicon or switchcraft.It says "silver" in the datasheet, not "silvery metal".It looks like silver on the connector.The tarnish looks like silver.Even heavily "corroded" silver contacts still work fine, even with dynamic microphones that pick up a fart from the fly on the wall.

author: dannyf
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 05:42:15 pm
content: Quoteto help you part with more of your money more quickly.

author: Siwastaja
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 06:02:05 pm
content: Quote from: PeterFW on March 15, 2015, 05:41:02 pmOK, my bad - then, this is a thing now. I mostly use cheap connectors.QuoteOf course they work - because audio is not critical. That's how the audiofool business works; you can sell anything as high-tech. They will tarnish, increase contact resistance and possibly cause heavy distortion. But people will be fine. Increased resistance doesn't show up, and if there ever is distortion, people will juggle the connectors or just buy a new cable. No big deal. Getting rid of bad cables and jiggling the contacts is everyday life even in professional audio. Everybody knows the scratching sound of bad contacts. We are just so used to it that we don't complain. It's only a source of nuisance. If it was a real security issue, the connectors would just work. This would mainly happen by physical design, correct plating being secondary. (For example, the XLRs work much better regardless of plating, whereas 1/4" instruments plugs are always a PITA, more or less, but still "ok enough" so we live with them.)And, to be fair, Ihaveseen silver-plated connectors - but they have all been a lot older than 20 years, something from the 70's.But, this thread is kind of theoretically discussing about plating and whether it makes sense to gold plate or not. And to answer that, yes, gold plating really actually makes some sense, it's not merely a marketing trick (as anyone designing a PCB card edge connector knows!). But I guesssilverplatingisa marketing trick, even more than gold plating ever was, because unlike gold plating, silver plating doesn't make sense, or at least I can't see it. I might be wrong.And, in professional installations, I have only seen nickel and gold - and no tarnish. But I haven't seen much of the scene in the last 10 years or so.

author: SeanB
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 06:08:27 pm
content: Rhodium gold contacts are very common in low current low voltage precision relays, though there you typically also are using them inside a sealed glass reed relay enclosure. Gold flash over German silver ( a silver copper alloy used for contact material) is also common, though there the gold flash is there for the use of the relay in low signal use, the flash will evaporate leaving the silver slug under it if you pass more than 10ma at over 20v through it. Silver contacts are used in wiping applications as they are soft yet durable, the wiping as the contacts are mated or the relay closes ensures good contact with impurities becoming embedded in the coating rather than forming an insulating film.

author: PeterFW
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 06:12:41 pm
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on March 15, 2015, 06:02:05 pmThat is not a new thing...QuoteThis has nothing to do with audio voodoo...Why dit i say that?I have seen nickel, chrome or brass connectors that looked as bad as the silver see fail were the silver plated still worked.Why dit i say dynamic microphone? Because they tend to have a output in the mV range.Edit: If you say "audio is not critical" you should do some reading... it may be that you put a bunch of stuff that is considered industrial audio into the realm of voodoo.

author: Siwastaja
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 06:19:44 pm
content: Silver plating can work very well if the connector has enough spring pressure and the mechanical design is self-cleaning. The idea is that the silver contacts scrape against each other, removing any surface tarnish, and provide kind of a "cold weld" - an almost continuous metal from one connector to another. This works because silver is soft, so this is kind of the opposite of how a gold plated contact works (it's not soft gold - it's a hard alloy).The limitation here is the durability in contacts that are frequently reconnected, and the usage outside of proper connector types where this scheme works (i.e., not enough pressure or incorrect insertion path). Also, sometimes the tarnishing can be bad enough that the self-wiping action is not enough.I have seen any type of surface plating fail, too.

author: PeterFW
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 06:38:19 pm
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on March 15, 2015, 06:19:44 pmJust to be clear, i dont want to say "silver is better".But silver will work in some cases and is cheaper.Locally, in a 500km radius, when i see a XLR connector, it will most likely be a Neutrik.They are extremely popular, they mostly have silver plated contacts, they can take a beating and get plugged in and out of the socket on a daily baisis during a road show.Yes, they do sell gold ones, they are very slightly more expensive.But once there was a huge price gap between gold and silver.But we are running in circles, i am out now...

author: splin
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 06:46:18 pm
content: Ok. Here is TE Connectivitie's white paper on when silver plated contacts are appropriate and their characteristics:http://www.te.com/documentation/whitepapers/pdf/Ag_use_connectors_503-1016.pdfQuoteQuoteQuote

author: dom0
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 07:11:38 pm
content: I never heard of a XLR connector electrically failing. Mechanical failure (i.e. hit with a large bolt, sledge or beam, because you can't really destroy them otherwise), yeah, happens, rarely. But contact failure? Nahh...

author: SeanB
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 07:58:27 pm
content: I have had them melt, mostly because they were used as speaker connections and the solder joints came loose inside the backshell, arced and cooked the lot together.

author: TimFox
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 10:26:45 pm
content: Gold-plated connections (binding posts and banana jacks) are used in precision DC applications due to the low thermal emf (about 0.5 uV/K) against copper. Many "silvery" connectors (such as standard banana plugs) are nickel plated, which has a higher thermal emf against copper (about 10 uV/K). Actual silver against copper is similar to gold against copper, but silver surfaces in normal urban/industrial environments react with atmospheric sulfur to get the familiar "tarnish" (not oxidation under normal conditions at room temperature).

author: Pjotr
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timestamp: March 15, 2015, 10:47:51 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on March 15, 2015, 12:55:32 pmThe original Cannon X, XL and later XLR connectors were silver plated, sure! Just for their low contact resistance and low thermal voltage. The scraping action is more than adequate to "clean" the contacts when mating. Many connectors are very thin gold plated (< 1um) just for preservation to avoid oxidation laying on the shelf. When used several times the gold is scraped off anyway then.

author: Unknown
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timestamp: March 16, 2015, 12:11:08 am
content: Quote from: wraper on March 15, 2015, 01:07:38 pmAIUI, gold plates onto copper quite well - the problem is it alloys relatively quickly due to migration of the copper and (above a couple of %, if memory serves) the alloy becomes a worse conductor than pure gold (and, above ~20% Cu, worse than nickel). Hence the intermediate plating of nickel, which acts as a barrier to electromigration( & also adds a degree of wear resistance).