Girls Who Code (New YouTube Series) - Page 1
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author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 03:41:10 am
content: Did anyone else see the article today on CNN (http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/07/technology/girls-who-code-youtube-series/index.html?sr=cnnmoneybin051016girlswhocode930aVODtop) and also a new YouTube channel and video series launched (https://www.youtube.com/user/GirlsWhoCode) which follows the initiative of the "Hour of Code" school activity?As the name implies, it's about Girls Who Code. Is it to encourage more girls to enter computer science degrees? "Girls Who Code" will hopefully be a serious legitimate resource for young ladies, and not make the mistake of "Barbie - Computer Engineer".... as this Gizmodo article nicely sums up:http://gizmodo.com/barbie-f-cks-it-up-again-1660326671Anyways, I have two girls and a little boy.... I have been encouraging them to do more math, science, electronics, Raspberry Pi, Arduino, and coding fits right in to that learning path. I'm not expecting them to be engineers but I think it is important that they get exposed to it, so they can make up their own minds. I've had a look at a few videos so far I'm not seeing too much substance, only glitz and glamour of "coding".... Generic stuff, only 1-3 minute videos each, mostly just talk about how "cool" it is to "code".... but nothing concrete. I sure hope it helps develop some more fundamental concepts and perhaps even picks a language or two to demonstrate examples. We'll see!Here's the YouTube video promo:

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:07:38 am
content: "Join our sisterhood" ?Going through some videos, but haven't seen any actual code yet, just short (they call it "extended cut"!) talking head style waffle about what code is.Needs more substance.UPDATE: I'm up to episode 5 now and still no code or demos etc 23 videos into it

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:11:05 am
content: Ah, I read the article:QuoteSo yeah, no actual code or how-to's or demos it seemsWhy can't they just actually show what cool stuff you can do with programming? Demos etc that might actually spark the interest of girls (or anyone for that matter).Results = 0;

author: XOIIO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:27:14 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 13, 2016, 04:11:05 amPretty much confirmed what I figured this would end up being lol.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:36:07 am
content: I watched a whole pile of the videos, right up to the end. I would have liked some graphics or at least some visual aids. Instead, all I see are the 4 girls talking about stuff. They should have put up some slides or animations with the names of the languages and special words they use (like "syntax", etc.). It would be easier to understand and follow.If they are talking about coding, they should give examples, like simple commands. They should be talking about algorithms or flow charts or flow diagrams. They should be talking about IF, THEN .... LOOPS, etc. Basic building blocks for coding, irrespective of language.There is so much potential here to make a really good online resource, not only for girls but all kids wanting to learn more about coding. Let's see how it evolves. Otherwise another failed attempt I think... I would rather teach my kids how to code so they can see results for themselves, rather than spend the time watching these videos. Like we do with "Scratch" on RasPi.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:38:22 am
content: Quote from: edy on May 13, 2016, 04:36:07 amSadly I don't think it will. It's supposed to be a 10 part series and they are already up to episode 4 with no substance at all.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:40:36 am
content: Oh dearhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CodeBabes

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:43:21 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 13, 2016, 04:40:36 amNOW THAT....... I WOULD WATCH.Man... I thought that was a joke!I am simply shocked and amazed at the same time!

author: Brumby
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timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:46:13 am
content: Double Oh Dear ...

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:47:19 am
content: Quote from: edy on May 13, 2016, 04:43:21 amI thought so too, but nope, they are serious. 40k subs and over 3 millions views.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:54:57 am
content: I'm pretty sure it has been raised before.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:56:56 am
content: I hate to say it, but their actual code content isn't bad

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 06:16:47 am
content: All of the channels posted so far is absolutely terrible.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 06:32:25 am
content: Fail fail fail.You know what the actual problem will become? That girls but also boys think they will learn to code just from watching youtube clips and not having to actually do it. I see it with my kid, his passion is minecraft and now he doesn,t do it anymore he just watches some experts build the 7 wonders of the world or whatever in minecraft on youtube. He actually says it gives him more joy to see others do it than do it him self. He should become a managerAnd the makers of the videos only want high viewing numbers for income, so above videos are not watched by girls, perhaps teenage boys but i guess mostly old perverts, nine of them ever going to code or contribute.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 06:49:46 am
content: I have come across several good female software engineers so far so I'm not worried about women not be able to create software. I've never met a female electronics engineer though so I think we need more women who solder.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 06:54:50 am
content: Quote from: Kjelt on May 13, 2016, 06:32:25 amThat's kinda different from educational videos though. Best analogy for that is like watching sports on TV. You watch it for the funny commentary, the entertainment value, the reviews and also see how the pros work.

author: XOIIO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 07:22:01 am
content: Quote from: Kjelt on May 13, 2016, 06:32:25 amI watch gamers on youtube all the time, mainly because I'm too damn broke all the time and it's the only way I can get any content from the multitude of games I want to play

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 11:59:58 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on May 13, 2016, 06:49:46 am

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 12:15:08 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on May 13, 2016, 06:49:46 amThere were three in my class that stuck with it through to graduation to get a BSEE degree. That was 28 years ago.These "get girls to code" sites seem to all be following the same misguided thought process that led to the Lionel "Girl's Train" in the 1950's - a model train in all pastel colors. Girls who like model railroading (there aren't many...see a parallel here?) like it for the same reason guys do. They want realistic models, not some crazy color-coordinated mess. And so it is with girls who are genuinely interested in coding, or electronics, or whatever. The same thing happened a few years back when I was still married. My ex has double degrees in biology and chemistry. We were both shopping for cars as we were both interested in higher performance vehicles. We each went to different dealers after work, since we didn't work near one another. The place I went to, the salesman who took me out was all about the performance and handling of the car I was driving. The salesman who talked to her? Most of the time was spent on explaining all the convenience features like the cupholders and lighted mirrors. It's the way they are programmed to act, because that seems to be more interesting to MOST women, but it falls flat as a strategy when you get someone who is every bit as interested in how well the car handles, accelerates, and stops as the "typical guy". I doubt those 'cutesy' videos will attract more girls to coding - it may in fact do the opposite, because girls who are interested in learning to code are just that - interested in learning to code. Not sit around and have girly chats about coding.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 12:28:08 pm
content: Why not just continue along the idea of Hour of Code and make a channel geared for ALL kids (both girls and boys) with practical step-by-step lessons? The last thing you need is to pander to one sex or another. Kids need to SEE other kids of both sexes participating... they will identify with the kids in the video if there is diversity. No need to explicitly point it out. And do projects that would be considered more gender neutral (not only cars or dolls)... that kids can expand on and apply to whatever interest they have.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 12:35:58 pm
content: My daughter went to a girls who code camp and really liked it.they taught a lot of hands-on lessons on different tools, from building websites, controlling robots, mobile apps and game development, I think over a summer. Lots of visits to tech companies and meeting tech employees and executives, and the final project is a presentation before the class + executives from top tier companies.They have multiple sites in multiple cities, each with slightly different focus / concentration - her site was more about biology / life sciences for example.I really liked it and more importantly my daughter really liked it. I was teaching her Arduino before hand but quite frankly she wasn't that into it. Girls who code really got her interested in and excited about coding, and computers in general. so much so that she and her friends participated in a coding marathon and she decided to go to an engineering school for college.after returning from the girls who code site, she started a girls who code club locally, with the support of the girls who code mothership.I think it is a good thing to try to get girls interested in computer coding and / or engineering. girls, as well as boys, bring different perspectives into an industry that will benefit all.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 12:40:35 pm
content: during her college interviews, many of the interviewers were very interested in her girls who code experience and i think it made a difference for her admission.another interesting observations. The site my daughter went was in the poorest neighborhood of a rich city. every day, you see parents dropping off their kids in Benz or BMW or Porsches, and picking them up later in the day. Her class was 50/50 white and asian kids, with a couple black girls - and it is quite obvious they come from well off families ("Harvard black" if you will).Talking about an educational divide and poor folks' access to quality education.BTW, the admission to girls who code is free but incredibly competitive.

author: John_ITIC
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 04:32:46 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 13, 2016, 04:40:36 amI think if one needs this to be attracted to coding then one is not really attracted to coding but to other things...Personally, I have no clue what she was talking about - And I have been a professional programmer for 20 years!

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 04:51:18 am
content: Frankly, I didn't care WHAT she was talking about...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 04:59:03 am
content: Quote from: rrinker on May 13, 2016, 12:15:08 pmThe same thing happens all the time in society, and it's often got nothing to do with gender.When someone at a party asks you want you do for a living, you assume they know nothing about electronic engineering, so you try and explain in simplistic common denominator terms.When someone at a trade show asks the same question, you answer differently, because you have weighed up the likelihood they are more technical and will know what you are talking about.Nothing wrong with this, except when it involves the modern day gender police

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: May 14, 2016, 05:01:29 am
content: Quote from: dannyf on May 13, 2016, 12:35:58 pmSounds good. So why do their videos suck so badly?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 05:02:21 am
content: Quote from: edy on May 13, 2016, 12:28:08 pmThis.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 07:41:50 am
content: Well if I look around in my direct surroundingsHW eng: 0 woman 85 manSW eng: 1 woman, 1 transgender and 100 manand then they have this fight in the top why there are only two female boardmembers

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 10:53:27 am
content: QuoteThe federal government is trying hard to solve that problem: gender identity is a social construct now for the federal government so if half of the engineering staff and board members claim they are girls, problem solved.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 11:31:47 am
content: additional part of a contract for new CEO's: they should manditory take a genderchange operation before starting.

author: colotron
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 12:32:48 pm
content: Quote from: dannyf on May 13, 2016, 12:35:58 pmGreat experience. You have the contrast between you doing the teaching, and the camp code. Did you saw different teaching methods than those used with boys? (how materials were used, relationship with instructors, course structure...).On one hand I think that gender preferences are not bad per se, but if differentiated teaching methods/environments make the difference, hey, I would like to know more...

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 12:41:39 pm
content: The real girls that code go to stackoverflow.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 01:03:37 pm
content: QuoteEveryone in a company should get allotment of alternate gender identity that they can use to sign into work so that the workforce is always 50/50 male / female. From the CEO down to the engineering staff and assembly line workers.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 01:11:52 pm
content: QuoteI was trying to teach my son and my daughter to code and my son caught on much faster than my daughter - and the fact that my son got it quickly might have discouraged my daughter a little bit.When we visited Wellesley, computer science and the teaching of computer science was brought up. The point they made was that girls actually dominated computer science classes in its earlier days. Boys then came in and being more interactive and showy, they started to drive how computer science classes were taught in a way that is easier for the boys to understand - boys tend to ask how things work and girls tend to ask how things can be applied to achieve certain goals / applications.So designing a class specifically for girls and engineering it so that it is easier for girls to learn has its merit. The fact that girls work in groups at girls who code and can feed off of each other is also a big deal: my daughter was very excited about her projects at girls who code, as were her friends there, and I had to often drive her earlier into the city or late at night to go home. I don't think she was ever as excited about her regular computer science class at school: she is the only girl in a class of 20+ boys.QuoteI would encourage you to reach out to those people at girls who code. Very nice and helpful.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 03:31:39 pm
content: Quote from: dannyf on May 14, 2016, 01:11:52 pmFor most good software developers I know, programming started much earlier than formal classes, more passion and fire in the belly than a calculated career choice. The differences is also reflected later in their career, some do it 8-5 and forget about it until next day while others program in their spare time and are eager to learn and try new technologies.Coding is not for everybody, and so are basketball, cooking, car mechanics, practicing law, gardening and rock climbing.

author: BobsURuncle
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 05:29:07 pm
content: I suspect the series is about combating the popular notion that coding is not cool. Being cool, attractive to the opposite sex and generally popular is a teenage obsession. The thinking is that attitude prevents a lot of otherwise inclined girls from going into technical fields - particularly the physical sciences and engineering. This is not the case in some other countries. The video is not designed to teach coding or necessarily interest girls in the process of coding; there are plenty of resources for that and if you need to be convinced then you probably aren't the type to do that kind of work anyway.

author: timgiles
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 05:57:48 pm
content: Firstly, I think some here have missed the point. It is NOT a 'teaching girls to code' set of videos. They say that in the first 20s of the promo video. The series is to show girls/young woman what it is like to be a programmer. I quote 'to support each other', 'talk about our experiences'.... It is clearly about bringing woman who might be interested in pursuing computer programming as a career together - networking. No bad thing.Second. They are boobs chaps. It is highly likely we (the male race) suckled on our mothers and if you have a wife, more than likely you have gotten to know a pair pretty well. So, I wish the second video series (CodeBabes) the best of luck, but lets try to stay on track maybe. I dont believe having woman dressed provocatively does anything other than distract but perhaps for some brains it is the key to learning...It is great that there is a series aimed at encouraging woman in to Programming (or electronics or any other male dominated industry) and showing them that they can make it, get a good career and be accepted in the industry. Helping them network, even from a young age, means less will be turned off. We need good programmers, we need good electrical engineers and designers. Whether they have boobs or balls - let their expertise shine.

author: vodka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 05:45:25 am
content: I believe that with this documental we will find the truth because there are more engineer women at the India than at Scandinavia countries."Brainwash: The Gender Equality Paradox"https://youtu.be/tiJVJ5QRRUE

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 07:02:50 am
content: Engineers are a self selecting group. You can't push it on somebody. If they have the interest it should be supported, but you have to let people find their own path and they will seek out the answers they need.

author: rs20
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 07:17:23 am
content: Quote from: calexanian on May 15, 2016, 07:02:50 amWhat about people who don't even know that engineering is an option? Kids with engineering-ignorant parents will never fill their kids in on these opportunities; if a video series like this pulls in prompts 10 kids to start finding their own path, then that's a good thing, right? I'm as much of a self-made engineer as anyone, but I don't pretend for a second that the support and inspiration of my (computer programmer, electrical engineer and chemistry professor) parents and siblings weren't utterly critical to getting me started. For people who don't have a family like that, stumbling on videos like these might serve as some sort of prompt to start carving their own path.I'm not defending the specific content of these videos though; I agree that they're awfully light on content.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 08:15:43 am
content: Quote from: rs20 on May 15, 2016, 07:17:23 amTaking off my biased hat, the same can be said for hundreds of other professions.QuoteAlthough all content is potentially good, the problem is these videos are pretty badly executed. I don't really see anything in them that would encourage a kid to take up coding. But then again, I'm not and have never been a 13yo girl.

author: rs20
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 08:19:44 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 15, 2016, 08:15:43 amAbsolutely; I agree on all three points

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 08:19:57 am
content: Quote from: BobsURuncle on May 14, 2016, 05:29:07 pmIMO then I think they are failing at at.They need more than just having young girls talking about coding, they need to show them building and creating cool stuff. That I'm sure will excite alotmore girls (or boys) then just some teen talking about "experiences" or whatever.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 10:23:34 am
content: I have never met a bimbo who can code. Bimbos cannot code because in general they lack the education, IQ and logical thinking skills. The women I know who can code are intelligent, decent, honest, hard working, down-to-earth and worthy of due respect by their colleagues.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 12:44:37 pm
content: "Bimbos cannot code because in general they lack the education, IQ and logical thinking skills. "We tend to over estimate our ability to judge others.It pays to be humble.

author: bitslice
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 12:56:44 pm
content: http://kodewithklossy.com/A New York model with an interest in coding

author: steve30
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timestamp: May 15, 2016, 01:46:50 pm
content: Just out of interest, why do they call itcodingthese days, rather thanprogramming?

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 02:22:14 pm
content: I learnt to program mainly by reading the QBasic help-files in MS-DOS as a kid because I wanted to, no encouragement and hardly any help from anyone. These days it's so easy, so much information available on the internet and everyone and their dog has a computer, and as far as I can tell it's even considered cool? If girls want to program they will learn it, it's not like they can't or anyone is stopping them.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 04:03:26 pm
content: Quote from: apis on May 15, 2016, 02:22:14 pmAll is needed is a connected computer and the fire in the belly. We live in great times.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 04:07:21 pm
content: You shouldn't make a kid an engineer or whatever because you think it would be a good profession. You should try to find out what your kid likes, what he/she is good at and support that. This "we need more women in MINT" is BS! I'd love to see more female engineers, because it's a gain, but we can't force that. The point is, that not much girls are interested in engineering. Maybe it could be a few more with some encouraging and breaking out of the stereotype thinking. IIRC, after school one girl of about 100 students in my year went for EE (working for R&S later on). At the university there were 4 or 5 girls in the whole EE faculty.Have you been in a hospital lately? Still much more female nurses than male ones. So what? It's a profession not many men are interested in. Let your kid decide! Please stop trying to persuade kids what profession to choose. It should be their own choice, not your's, because they have to live with that.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 09:18:00 pm
content: Quote from: vodka on May 15, 2016, 05:45:25 amit takes a lot of double think to keep up with the gender talk, the same people who claim gender is a social construct that has nothing to dowith chromosomes will claim that being trans is a physical thing where the brain doesn't match the chromosomes.I don't care either way, but it can't be both

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 10:26:26 pm
content: There isn't many that claim that, it's just that some define the term "gender" as the social construct part and "sex" as the chromosome/biological part. I.e. they recognize there are biological differences, but the word gender only refer to the social norms. (As far as I have been able to tell).

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 11:04:53 pm
content: Quote from: madires on May 15, 2016, 04:07:21 pm+1This was essentially the message of mr Robinson, the best watched Ted speach with 39 million views,Myst see very funny and educational!https://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity?language=en

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 11:08:42 pm
content: Thank you for that boobz.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2016, 11:37:34 pm
content: Quote from: vodka on May 15, 2016, 05:45:25 amWell, after having watched that maybe there are more that think so than I thought.But I'm a bit sceptical to such tv-programs since they try to find people with extreme views and pitch them against each other giving the impression such views are common and all academics are nuts when in reality most have a rather balanced view (well, not being any better/worse than non-academics). But who knows, the world is full of crazy people.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 02:15:45 am
content: On the next episode of Engineering Bimbos, brought to you by FOX. Hahahaha

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 03:53:31 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on May 16, 2016, 02:10:29 amIn this case it seems the girls in the video are not the ones behind it. Most likely paid models.Whoever is behind it, it seems to have failed, at least as a Youtube channel. But who knows how many they had sign up to their course on the website.

author: John Heath
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 04:18:18 am
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on May 15, 2016, 11:08:42 pmIf I had her when I was in college perhaps I would be better at writing code today. And it is easy to make it gender neutral. Just throw in a muscle guy. Dumb him down a bit so that she is always correcting his mistakes. Now the girls are happy making it politically correct for our times. Maybe colleges can learn something from this? The cleavage approach to teaching.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 05:09:03 am
content: I don't mind a bit of smut now and then, but there are dedicated sites for it. Coding (or any subject for that matter) presented in such a manner just makes me cringe.

author: at2marty
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 09:06:50 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 16, 2016, 03:53:31 amThat's the ultimate goal. However, generally speaking, they aren't exactly attracting the "smartest" or the "brightest". I mean, what would motivate a person to sign up for their "course"? Actually learning how to code or seeing a pretty girl "get nekid" or close too it?

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 09:35:28 pm
content: Quote from: John Heath on May 16, 2016, 04:18:18 amIf you want girls to code, then turn CodeBabes.... intoCode Dudes!!Either way, I think it's inappropriate to combine the two. But hey if it makes more women interested in learning this stuff, go for it. Not my cup of tea though.I mean, look how many women are reading those sexy novels these days... Like "Fifty Shades of Grey" stuff.... There has been a surge in readers. So there is obviously motivation but I think we'll just end up with a bunch of 50-year-old women programmers.

author: rfeecs
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 10:14:19 pm
content: Just google "brogramming":https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=brogramming

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 11:10:25 pm
content: Quote from: rfeecs on May 16, 2016, 10:14:19 pmThat sounds a lot like the geeky nerdy guys who were too shy to socially interact with the opposite sex ended up using their newly-found riches to buy themselves their teenage fantasy. Add a few Lambourghini's and you've got the makings of the next Hollywood movie, if you ask me.Not the way to create an environment that supports people based on their programming skills alone. It reminds me of this classic movie:

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2016, 11:58:21 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 13, 2016, 04:07:38 amJoin the Dark Brotherhood of Solder. Metcal by moonlight at the witching hour.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2016, 12:11:34 am
content: Quote from: dannyf on May 14, 2016, 01:03:37 pmDanny, if you get your way you'll have to go to work in a dress every other day. But hey, if you want to that's fine by me.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2016, 12:24:41 am
content: Quote from: steve30 on May 15, 2016, 01:46:50 pmI like to think it's out of consideration for us old hands, so we can quickly tell if we're dealing with a clueless noob.But on a more serious note, next time you hear someone prefix something 'cyber' ask them what cybernetics is. The probability that they don't know, or get the definition wrong is near 100%. It's a very useful kind of reverse shiboleth for knowing if you're talking to somebody who only has buzzwords and no 'clue'. Politicians use the 'cyber' prefix alot.

author: Macbeth
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timestamp: May 19, 2016, 01:48:04 am
content: "cyber" - isn't that something to do with putting on your robe and wizard hat?

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2016, 07:35:56 pm
content: Quote from: madires on May 15, 2016, 04:07:21 pmYes, exactly, and even less based on what someone's sex is, just let people do what they like to do and are good at and support that.It's easy to learn programming today, everyone has a computer and the internet, which is all you need if you have the will (search the web for tutorials on html and javascript -- everyone already have the software necessary: a web browser and a text editor).It's different with other crafts though, like electronics and chemistry. For that you need special gear, you need to know what to buy, and you need components and a breadboard and some way to make circuit boards and maybe a good book (like AoE) and basic mathematics skills (and $$$). The prerequisites for learning electronics are just a lot higher than for programming unfortunately. So in that case, a mentor that can help you out would make a huge difference (whether you're a boy or a girl).The same is true for chemistry which is almost impossible to learn or as a hobbyist nowadays. My dad's a chemist and he used to have his own lab where he did experiments as a kid. Today that would be impossible, if you managed to buy any chemicals you would have cops knocking down your door within weeks because some neighbour think you're making drugs or planning a terrorist attack.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2016, 08:09:10 pm
content: QuoteI think venues like girls who code are just that, a support function for those wanting to explore.It is tempting to project our experience onto others. The fact that I learned coding without having any formal training by itself is no repudiation for formal training for others, and vice versa.I tend to think that anyone wanting to learn something constructive is always a good thing. As a society, we all benefit from having a group of programmers who are different, especially in their perspectives.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2016, 09:06:51 pm
content: Quote from: dannyf on May 19, 2016, 08:09:10 pmVenues exclusively for girls.My point is: the reason there are few female programmers is not because boys are preventing girls from programming or that girls are not introduced to programming, or that there are not special girls-only-programming clubs: it is because most girls do not want to program. If you think it would be a good thing if more women were programmers then start by figuring out why girls do not want to program.Nothing is preventing girls from learning programming (except maybe stupid parents, but in that case this will not help either, and any parent trying to make their girl a programmer or boy a nurse just because there are more men/women in that field is just as bad). All these girl-only this or that are stupid and counter productive. Can anyone imagine a boys only programming club? seems kind of 18-century to me.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2016, 09:20:40 pm
content: Quote from: dannyf on May 19, 2016, 08:09:10 pmFree individuals are free to code and have their own perspective.

author: BU508A
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2016, 05:06:43 am
content: Here explains somebody, why girls can't code:

author: @rt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2016, 08:37:54 am
content: It’s a shame Jerri Ellsworth went on to bigger things.I’d take her quirky old electronics videos over any of the any day.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2016, 09:32:01 am
content: Quote from: BU508A on May 24, 2016, 05:06:43 amBoys and young men can't code either since their brain thinks about sex almost the entire time, no cycles left for coding.It is untill they are going steady or married they find out one woman is more than enough and that this woman trains their tolerance levels till the max, and when they get older they have the perseverance to write decent well documented code.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2016, 11:07:59 am
content: Quote from: Kjelt on May 24, 2016, 09:32:01 amI was a lousy coder as a boy. Still am even now.