Need manual for Quad QSA30 - Page 1
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author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2020, 10:26:16 pm
content: I just won the bidding for a Quad QSA 30A P&P machine. Does anybody know where I can download the operators/setup manual so I can start learning how to use it?Thanks,Jon

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2020, 10:50:25 pm
content: Dont know anything about quads but I picked up a Samsung CP60L, feeders and pcb buffer at that auction.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2020, 11:37:48 pm
content: Quote from: Reckless on July 16, 2020, 10:50:25 pmGreat! The CP60L is a BIG machine, so i really couldn't handle that. The QSA-30 is slightly bigger than my Philips CSM84, and I think I'll be able to fit it in with a little rearranging.I'm still dealing with Dovebid to get the sales tax taken off my invoice. They seem to be a sloppy outfit. The web site says to send the tax forms to one email address, then they told me to send it to a different one. They make you jump through all sorts of hoops with dire consequences if you don't follow the rules to the letter, but they can't be bothered to tell you how to properly arrange things.I hope you are having better luck with them.Hmm, looking again, maybe the CP60L is NOT any bigger than what I got. The Quad QSA-30 is actually made by Samsung, and is on a similar frame to the CP40 CP45 series, at least. But, it uses Quad's electric feeders, instead of Samsung's mechanical feeders and air cylinders.Jon

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2020, 01:40:54 am
content: Typical issue with them, got my sales tax waived today. New issue is how to ship with no pallet jack or fork lift (only reason I didnt buy the Fujis). Some of the Quads looked terrible at the auction. I didn't think actual businesses used them as they are very slow but these guys had tons.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2020, 02:39:40 am
content: Quote from: Reckless on July 17, 2020, 01:40:54 amI'll have to rent a fork lift at this end to unload from the truck. Ordinary 2.5 ton forklifts are quite cheap, about $100 a day. I have to move the machine about 150 feet from curb to basement door over soft ground. 5/8" plywood sheets keep the truck from sinking.My Philips has both wheels and feet, so I could roll it as soon as I got it on the shop floor. It seems that Quad IV C machines do NOT have wheels, not clear on the QSA-30 machines. Samsungs have wheels, and the QSA was made by Samsung, so maybe they have wheels, too. I don't know if they are going to want to put the machine on a pallet or just send as is. It would take a pretty solid pallet to support the QSA at 2200 Lbs. Strapping the machine down to a pallet doesn't look like a great idea, either, with all that plastic top and side covers.How are you going to have your machine shipped?Thanks,Jon

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2020, 03:43:08 am
content: You can get a truck with lift gate services for $75. Use skates to move it in place if necessary. I'm checking prices on uship.

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2020, 09:15:03 am
content: And if it doesn't work out come over here, buy this puppy, load it on big canoe and paddle it back...https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-Pick-And-Place/124261845178?

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2020, 01:42:21 pm
content: Quote from: Reckless on July 17, 2020, 03:43:08 amWell, it will arrive on some kind of truck to my curb, and I'll have to get it off the truck and into my basement.150 feet across soggy earth. So, a fork lift really is the way to go. That's how I did the Philips CSM84 12 years ago, and itwent smoothly.Jon

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2020, 03:05:48 pm
content: Quote from: SMTech on July 17, 2020, 09:15:03 amIf it was a Fuji I might have. I just shipped parts from Germany and shipping was soo expensive.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2020, 03:53:39 pm
content: Quote from: Reckless on July 17, 2020, 01:40:54 amUgh! I got the first bid for rigging and shipping -- $6500 ! I hope somebody comes in with a sane bid, otherwise I may have to fly down there and rent a truck to bring it back. Not sure how much that would cost, but it has to be less.If anybody has any suggestions or contacts, please let me know.Thanks,Jon

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2020, 06:26:04 pm
content: My bids are coming in $1700 which I think is too high. I had one on Friday for $1250. Where are you located?Texas is on the 14 day self quarantine list for Illinois with sizable fines.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2020, 01:43:45 am
content: Quote from: Reckless on July 19, 2020, 06:26:04 pmYeah, the virus thing is a big issue. I don't think there is anything in Missouri about mandatory quarantine, but I would not be able to go into work for 2 weeks. I'm not going in often, anyway.I'm in the St. Louis area. I think there may be a benefit to going there, I can secure the parts of the machine myself, and then I can hunt around for manuals, accessories and maybe strike a deal on the feeders, which didn't sell.Ryder will rent a 16' truck one way for $486, with no mileage charge. I think those have a lift-gate, or you just have to ask for one with the lift.I'm still waiting for the other outfits to give me a quote.Jon

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2020, 03:08:19 am
content: if you go let me know, ill pay you $500 to grab my stuff. I am visiting St Louis in 2 weeks and have a friend out there to drop off my stuff. You will want a dock high truck no lift gate I would think so you can just roll it in.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2020, 07:47:20 pm
content: Quote from: Reckless on July 20, 2020, 03:08:19 amOK, if this does happen, I will need that document from DoveBid to release your lot to me.I will get a lift gate truck from Ryder, they don't charge for miles. I have to put this machine into my basement. Oh, this might require a larger truck to move TWO machines! At least the CP60 should be on wheels. Can you get me the dimensions and weight of your machine?Jon

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2020, 11:42:06 pm
content: jon,I got three things: 210 samsung feeders on 3 carts, 1 cp60L 4100# (6'x5'x5.5') and a pcb buffer 200# (3x2'x6'). Happy to send the documents. I would imagine a ryder truck should handle all of this easily. Arent they normally 16'? You should take skates $35 and a hydraulic jack (good quality car one will work). I talked to Walter they have a ground level dock but I don't think lift gates pickup more than 2500lb. He has no fork lift or pallet jack on site.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2020, 04:56:18 pm
content: Quote from: Reckless on July 20, 2020, 11:42:06 pmWow, I don't know. 4100 + 2250 + 200 = 6550. Also, the lift gates will just barely handle my QSA-30 (2500 Lb capacity) but they will NOT handle yourCP60L. I would have no way to get it off the truck when I got it here.I have offered the Austin people a price on the Quad feeders, I have no idea whether they will accept it. I might be willing to go a little higher on them.I also have them looking for the manuals. That seems to be a hard thing to find for the Quad QSA-30 model.I got a shipping bid from moveit.com for $1200 for just the machine. it will go up if I get the feeders, too. The feeders are not palletized, I likely would have to do that to get them shipped safely. They are locked into feeder carts, so just strapping to pallets might be all they need. It is possible we could get a combined shipping quote for both our machines, but have them delivered to two different locations. Where is your friend's location?So, I'm still on the fence whether I go get it or have it shipped. The Covid thing means I'd have to quarantine from work for 2 weeks when I got back.I'm working mostly from home but go in one day a week. So, that is another issue.Also, maybe we should continue these negotiations offline. My email is :elson (at) pico (hyphen) systems (dot) comJon

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2020, 06:08:28 pm
content: You know plan A, plan B? Well, I'm down to plan G, at least, by now.The auction outfit notified me that the seller would not take post-auction bids on anything -- my guess is they heard of some outside dealing and were afraid they would not get their cut. I would have been willing to give them their premium, but they didn't even ask for that.So, I think I am going to let a shipper pick the machine up and deliver it. Maybe, with a little luck, they will find the manuals.Jon

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2020, 08:06:49 pm
content: I fully understand. I am also trying to find a shipper for a reasonable fee. $1200 is a bit high in my book for 1 machine. Most truckers keep a pallet jack on the truck so it should be ok for them to do inside pickup. I got a quote $1200 for all 3 of my things to Chicago.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2020, 12:05:28 am
content: Quote from: Reckless on July 21, 2020, 08:06:49 pmYup, it sounded a little high to me, too. But, that is the best bid I have gotten so far, and I just wanted to get this DONE. Your machine is almost twice as heavy as mine, and the lot of feeders will take some careful packing or they will make a mess of them. It looks like they are just SITTING on shelves.Note that Dovebid does not do any packing, loading or handling, you have to engage a rigger to deal with that.I finally saw part of a wheel peeking out under the machine I bought, so it DOES have wheels after all. I was thrown off by the pallet jacks, I guess they just used those for convenience. The shipper has agreed to have their driver tie the gantry in place. Wwll, I hope your move goes smoothly!Jon