Glitter bomb - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / projects

author: texaspyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 01:57:29 pm
content: It's not mine, but way cool:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxhDk-hwuo&amp=&frags=pl%2Cwn(Mine would use continuous CN+dye tear gas spray instead of pulsed fart spray).

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 03:57:27 pm
content: i would throw a brick at their car

author: hlavac
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 03:58:44 pm
content: Mine would spray gasoline. Then light a match

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 04:00:21 pm
content: they can probably sue for getting glitter in their eyes or some stupid shit if its all on video

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 04:06:57 pm
content: I will say though its absolutely fascinating to see the map of how they used the parking garage as some kind of rendezvous point. I always wondered how these types of criminals operate.I wonder why they go there, its probably a ring that uses that location to swap packages?

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 04:18:38 pm
content: Yes, quite an amazing project. It is making me jealous.Because their faces seem to be blurred out, it may not be so easy for them to prove they were the ones in the video. So suing is not so easy.On the other hand, it could be worrying that angry thieves/criminals, who might remember where the package was stolen from, might get their revenge.

author: LaserSteve
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 04:19:36 pm
content: They are lucky its not me... Mine would spray a highly florescent dye , Rhodamine 6G, used in liquid based laser systems. The car interior would be ruined, their clothes would be ruined, their shoes and their skin would be a bright pink for say four days. Under any green light source they and their stuff would glow at 575 nanometers, 200 mL of water and less then 50 mg of the dye would do all this. Heck, the stuff stains concrete and tile, too. Common Jokes at laser conferences, What color is your jeans? What color is your floor? Have you ever been caught red handed working on a Laser?Glitter often is made of tiny glass squares, I would not want it in my eyes.I will give it an A+ as a design project. Needs a tracking transmitter, if it does not have one.Steve

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 04:27:19 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on December 18, 2018, 04:18:38 pmits a good idea not to post picture of booby traps effecting criminals on youtube so the faces are blurred to make sure there is no real legal evidence in case its someone that can stand being in a court lying all day to try to make you miserablewhat these types of low level thugs do for revenge most of the time from when i heard people messing with hoods and stuff drinking on the street causing problems is they follow you home and break a window at night or something like that. its usually small but annoying.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 06:00:50 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on December 18, 2018, 04:27:19 pmThat would be a very BAD idea.If they did that, breaking the window would probably activate the MK2 version of this device. The (MK2) drone would activate, and rapidly fly out of the window, and its AI system would follow the crook/bad person home.It would then following them inside, and wreak horrible revenge, on a similar, but somewhat worse, than the MK1's capabilities.Apparently, the ex-NASA inventor, has had a future planning meeting, and decided to continue this up to the fourteenth generation.AKA, the MK14 unit.Which is not only rumored to have AI so good, that it can even go online and any forums which mention about the MK1, it can participate in the discussions.Rumor has it that he has already built the MK14 unit, and it is active. So look out for it.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 06:26:16 pm
content: The phones inside have GPS, so that's the tracking transmitter.I also would have gone with a more destructive solution. Due to the laws that tend to favor the crooks over the decent people I would not want it to actually injure someone but certainly some fluorescent dye, spraypaint or superglue along with the glitter would be an improvement. I also think I'd install a whole array of cans of fart spray and have them dump the entire contents as quickly as possible.

author: texaspyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 07:01:45 pm
content: My version would have CN + dye tear gas (and not pulse the plunger). Replace glitter with DayGlo orange paint pigment powder... you haven't seen a mess until you see what that stuff can do. Vacuum cleaner just spreads it more. Cheaper version would be printer toner.Disposable ghetto version... no electronics... just battery, microswitch, solenoid, cheap DC motor and a little 3D printing.

author: LaserSteve
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 07:01:57 pm
content: My above mentioned R6G is very similar to the Dayglow molecule....Ok, Some One has to Do It. Miss Moneypenny, Please Inform "Q" that Double OH Seven chose a bad parking place again.One of my favorite movie scenes as I used to work in a place that was number Sevenin the nation for car theft.Steve

author: ogden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 07:17:08 pm
content: Is there any other country besides US where your iPad can be dropped by courier *on* the doorstep without confirmation/signature?DHL.dewould not drop your package like that

author: texaspyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 07:22:56 pm
content: Quote from: ogden on December 18, 2018, 07:17:08 pmDHL is known as Drop, Hide, LoseOh, the stories I could tell you about DHL experiences in the US.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 07:29:06 pm
content: Quote from: ogden on December 18, 2018, 07:17:08 pmI'm wondering about that too. In the NL courier services don't even deliver parcels to the neighbours.

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 07:31:52 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on December 18, 2018, 04:00:21 pmGlitter is actually pretty dangerous because of its sharp edges. People have lost their eyesight because of it.Quote from: LaserSteve on December 18, 2018, 04:19:36 pmI was thinking gentian violet and methyl mercaptan.Quote from: MK14 on December 18, 2018, 06:00:50 pmOr in the US, the MK870 version of the device which features an organic control system.

author: ogden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 07:32:52 pm
content: Quote from: texaspyro on December 18, 2018, 07:22:56 pmHey! You shall not change contents, whole meaning of citation. I did talk about *German* branch of DHL, not whole company as such:Quote from: ogden on December 18, 2018, 07:17:08 pm

author: texaspyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 07:51:48 pm
content: Hmmm, I was at a gun show in a large (100,000+ sq foot) convention center. Some people were selling packages of 6 small (1 ml?) glass ampoules of some stinky, REALLY stinky, REALLY REALLY STINKY sulphur compound. Somebody broke one of the ampoules. It filled the whole place with super-skunk-stank... really impressive stuff. Of course, I bought a package. I think I know where they are...Also, maybe toss in some tellurium. Google "tellurium breath". A few micrograms of the stuff will give you super-garlic-breath / body odor for a month.Then there are those thiols and selenium compounds that made their way to Derek Lowe's "Things I Won't Work With" Apparently a few grams can stank up a whole town.

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 08:52:44 pm
content: Quote from: texaspyro on December 18, 2018, 07:51:48 pmThat was probably methyl mercaptan aka methanethiol or the odorizer they put in natural and propane gas.John Clark had some things to say about using mercaptains in rocket fuel:But then Pino, in 1949, made a discovery that can fairly be de-scribed as revolting. He discovered that butyl mercaptan was veryrapidly hypergolic with mixed acid. This naturally delighted Standardof California, whose crudes contained large quantities of mercaptansand sulfides which had to be removed in order to make their gasolinesocially acceptable. So they had drums and drums of mixed butylmercaptans, and no use for it. If they could only sell it for rocket fuellife would indeed be beautiful.Well, it had two virtues, or maybe three. It was hypergolic withmixed acid, and it had a rather high density for a fuel. And it wasn'tcorrosive. But its performance was below that of a straight hydro-carbon, and its odor — ! Well, its odor was something to consider.Intense, pervasive and penetrating, and resembling the stink of anenraged skunk, but surpassing, by far, the best efforts of the mostvigorous specimen of Mephitis mephitis. It also clings to the clothes andthe skin. But rocketeers are a hardy breed, and the stuff was duly andsuccessfully fired, although it is rumored that certain rocket mechan-ics were excluded from their car pools and had to run behind. Tenyears after it was fired at the Naval Air Rocket Test Station — NARTS— the odor was still noticeable around the test areas. (And at NARTS,with more zeal than judgment , I actually developed an analysis for it!)California Research had an extremely posh laboratory at Richmond,on San Francisco Bay, and that was where Pino started his investiga-tions. But when he started working on the mercaptans, he and hisaccomplices were exiled to a wooden shack out in the boondocks atleast two hundred yards from the main building. Undeterred andunrepentant , he continued his noisome endeavors, but it is verymuch worth noting that their emphasis had changed. His next candi-dates were not petroleum by-products, nor were they chemicalswhich were commercially available. They were synthesized by hisown crew, specifically for fuels. Here, at the very beginning of thefiO's, the chemists started taking over from the engineers, synthesizingnc:w propellants (which were frequently entirely new compounds) toorder, instead of being content with items off the shelf.Anyhow, he came up with the ethyl mercaptal of acetaldehyde andthe ethyl mercaptol of acetone, with the skeleton structuresrespectively. The odor of these was not so much skunk-like as garlicky,the epitome and concentrate of all the back doors of all the bad Greekrestaurants in all the world. And finally he surpassed himself withsomething that had a dimethylamino group attached to a mercaptansulfur, and whose odor can't, with all the resources of the Englishlanguage, even be described. It also drew flies. This was too much,even for Pino and his unregenerate crew, and they banished it to ahole in the ground another two hundred yards farther out into thetule marshes. Some months later, in the dead of night, they surrep-titiously consigned it to the bottom of San Francisco Bay.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 09:06:18 pm
content: Quote from: ogden on December 18, 2018, 07:17:08 pmLeaving on the porch has been common practice for a long time, most people are not home during the day when the deliveries come and in most areas people have the decency to not steal something off someone's porch. Unfortunately these thefts have been getting more common in recent years, thankfully I have not personally ever had anything stolen. I have had packages delivered to a house with the same number on the next street over on numerous occasions though and I've received some of their stuff. USPS and UPS mostly.

author: ogden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 09:46:01 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on December 18, 2018, 09:06:18 pmSo you confirm that this kind of parcel delivery is specific to US only? Fun fact (Dec 2017):Quotehttps://www.countryliving.com/life/news/a46014/porch-pirates-stealing-packages/

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 10:36:11 pm
content: Quote from: ogden on December 18, 2018, 09:46:01 pmIt has been common for at least 40+ years in the US for single family homes. If you live in an apartment building, the package could be left with the management. My solution has been to have things shipped to me at work but that is not feasible for everybody.

author: texaspyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 10:45:20 pm
content: Quote from: David Hess link=topic=158206.msg2050591#msg2050591Nope, those are Chanel No 5 compared to these charmers:https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2012/05/15/things_i_wont_work_with_selenophenolhttps://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2005/03/03/things_i_wont_work_with_carbon_diselenidehttps://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2009/06/11/things_i_wont_work_with_thioacetoneGawd, I love Derek's writing...

author: Jr460
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 10:51:02 pm
content: Quote from: David Hess on December 18, 2018, 10:36:11 pmI tried that shipping to work years ago at the suggestion of a vendor. Little did I know how UPS works internally. That said they may have changed as the shipping to home market has heated up.Without going into the whole story. They ship to an address, not a person. If it requires a signature, anyone is fine. Package didn't come to the address because the local UPS guy on his own took it the plant dock in a building 1/2 mile away. Internal dock people said, "Well we can't have them walking around the plant being the mail department." No one said they had to deliver it to a desk, just to the front door at the address, not make up a different address. If you need to change the address after it ships, you have to wait until they try at least once to deliver it the first address. It is only then it pops up in the system and they get a new label to put on it.FedEx was good, if you missed, it they had it at the local office, just stop by and get it. They changed that with FedEx Home. The end delivery are bunch of independent contractors.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 11:22:24 pm
content: careful spraying people with chemicals because they can freak out about cancer and poisons

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 11:30:37 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on December 18, 2018, 11:22:24 pmGentian violet will cure their thrush. They should pay me.

author: Jr460
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 11:54:22 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on December 18, 2018, 11:22:24 pmYou say that like it is a bad thing that criminal might get upset when the fruits of their behavior comes back to bite them.

author: texaspyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 12:23:59 am
content: How about a video camera and using a little image processing / AI to deploy the "flying crotch finder grinder".Surely, nobody would complain about free ground sausage for lunch?

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 12:24:27 am
content: no the problem is you might get hassled to go to court to explain yourself over 50$ of mailand end up paying like 1000$ for a lawyer if you are smart. and possibly end up with anger management classes or court mandated psychological therapy (why did u not just call the useless cops hur dur)If you make some kinda chemical land mine they might think your a bit off because its just kinda weird. It's really really really premeditated. You would have to explain yourself alot if it went the wrong way. No one really knows how easy it is to do this so they might think your the count of monte cristo planning revenge for 3 months over 50 dollars.

author: texaspyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 12:49:40 am
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on December 19, 2018, 12:24:27 amJust go to court and thank the mail thief from saving you from that unexpected evil package that some unknown stranger sent to your address.Oh, and mail theft (and just about everything else) is a federal crime in the US with like a 10 year all expenses paid vacation in Club Fed. At one time the mail inspectors were rather relentless in their pursuits... now, I think that they (like most policey places these days) aren't even phoning it in... unless you commit that most heinous of crimes... downloading a video.

author: radioactive
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 12:59:28 am
content: I admit that the video is funny and seems *just* at first glance. I hope it doesn't backfire though. Pranks like this can always go wrong. First, I have to ask where does this guy live? I might believe a single instance of theft, but multiple thefts and recoveries? Don't know... seems kinda youtube-world-only to me. What if the thief was a mother with newborn in the passenger seat? If people really are stealing packages all over the place, I understand the concept. In any case, I think this idea and similar could go wrong and harm innocent people if they become widespread.

author: texaspyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 01:10:43 am
content: It's so common in a lot of places that even if you killed somebody, they would have a tough time finding a jury willing to convict. A couple of weeks ago they busted a local "porch pirate" gang and recovered a warehouse full of booty.And people wonder why all my mail goes to a PO box. And twice I have gotten notifications of stolen mail recovered from crooked post office workers... and notifications of when they were released on parole. One of them still owes me 5 bucks stolen from poor, dead granny's christmas card 30 years ago.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 02:25:53 am
content: There are some places where if you leave something of value out in plain sight, it's practically guaranteed to be stolen. I'm fortunate to live on a large hill with my front porch not really visible from the street but package theft is certainly an issue elsewhere. I have no trouble believing that a device like that could be stolen and recovered multiple times in a week.I always liked those bait car and bike programs, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

author: texaspyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 02:39:02 am
content: It doesn't have to be something of value. One guy boxed up all his dog poop and left it out to get stolen... what does doberman doo bring and the pawn shop these days?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 02:50:14 am
content: If legal to own but not to operate, how about a FM jammer that activates when the package is stolen? The thief won't know until the FCC goes after him.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 03:18:29 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 19, 2018, 02:50:14 amIf only. The FCC is spread so thin, it would take years of complaints to go after a broadcast-band jammer.I have had many packages disappear from my porch. It encourages me to buy from Amazon so that I can have the packages delivered to a secure Amazon locker. There is now one within walking distance of my house.I propose to put up a camera on the porch to view people coming to the door. I will monitor it online from my office. If it is someone delivering a package, fine and dandy. But if it is someone coming to the door without a package, I will remotely trigger an extremely loud siren and flashing red strobe lights. I don't think there would be any legal repercussions, and it would at least put the fear into them.

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 03:20:48 am
content: Quote from: texaspyro on December 19, 2018, 12:49:40 amBut Fedex and UPS are private delivery services. They are not even allowed to use a mailbox.

author: radioactive
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 03:36:33 am
content: Quote from: texaspyro on December 19, 2018, 01:10:43 amDon't get me wrong. I wouldn't vote guilty if I was on one of those juries as long as the person was proven guilty... just need a video for that. I guess I live in a really good neighborhood. My neighbors regularly target practice out back, so that might be one factor that keeps would-be thieves at bay. I was just trying to make the point that sometimes revenge plans backfire.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 06:01:18 am
content: Quote from: texaspyro on December 19, 2018, 02:39:02 amWell if the box was labeled "Dog Poop" or had a window so you could see inside, I think it's highly unlikely for it to get stolen. Perhaps I should restate and say leaving something *potentially* valuable in plain sight makes it very likely to be stolen.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 06:23:23 am
content: I don't know how it ties in legally but in the spirit of the constitution this would seem to be related to 8th amendment issues in the USA.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 06:23:52 am
content: Unfortunately if they died you could be charged with murder, which is probably not worth it compared to having a few packages stolen.There are loads of simpler ways to make bait packages that accomplish something similar without the complicated video link and tracking. A <$1 microcontroller, some cheap generic alkaline batteries and toy motor could accomplish most of the same thing, or go even cheaper and just use a springloaded contraption.His over-engineered solution produced some fantastic video clips though, and given the vast number of views it has generated it probably paid for itself in advertising revenue.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 09:03:50 am
content: Until a couple of years ago, parcel services dropping the package at the entrance wasn´t a thing over here, they rather had 3 tries to deliver (which doesn´t make much sense, as you are likely to be e.g. at work at the same daytime in these 3 days), after which you could fetch it from the post office. Now you only get 1 try (depends on their route if you are lucky to be at home when they come), but you could give consent in advance (online) to put it somewhere, alternatively a neighbour signs for reception and you get a written notice which one has it.A saying here goes: It´s the opportunity that creates the thieves.If you give consent to have it dropped at the front porch you more or less take responsibility - a theft is still a theft, but it is not the parcel service´s liability then. It might even be considered careless behavior and you will pay for it - might explain the police officers reaction to it. When all security and liability is replaced by convenience, it might be seen as the majority of the cause for such crimes.When looking at these people... they seem to just drive around and collect it as if it was their right. Of course this means there are low moral standards, low security, "the insurance will pay for it", "making couple of hundred dollars per hour off stupid, lazy people" and such reasoning. However, last thing you want is the law enforcement protecting or ignoring the criminals because the only existing evidence was tampered with.I mean the video was funny, relatively harmless and interesting to watch, but building trap devices is of course a double edged sword in what they are used for and why. There is no guarantee that such a device is not encountered by underaged, stupid kids (in countries in which kids are actually allowed to go outside alone), animals, drunk people and such. It might hit the wrong target.

author: Kilrah
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 09:59:49 am
content: That is just perfecty designed!Highly annoying glitter, fart spray to more or less ensure it becomes sufficiently more annoying and doesn't stop being so for people to throw the thing out so it can be recovered, YET nothing permanent, actually damaging or dangerous, glitter and fart spray cans are perfectly safe standard commercial products.Those here who want to use charged caps, fire, marking dyes, paint, random chemicals etc would all make themselves seriously liable to injury or property damage claims, but here there's really nothing that can be held against him, it's annoying but innocent.Quote from: SparkyFX on December 19, 2018, 09:03:50 amThey are all right targets, none of those somehow have a right to steal a package...

author: timgiles
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 10:28:59 am
content: I happened to watch this yesterday and agree that it is a great design.I also read that amazon is teaming up with local police across the US to drop delivery fake packages with trackers inside them to catch these criminals.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 10:33:25 am
content: What's great is that he went for a harmless yet effective payload. It'd be too easy to opt for some nasty chemical, paint or other substance. In this case they're two things people would buy for their kids, yet it still gets the job done wonderfully. People seem to willingly throw out a cube with a handful of mobile phones in it.

author: photomankc
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 03:50:51 pm
content: Quote from: radioactive on December 19, 2018, 12:59:28 amThis is not aimed only at your statement....this is the mindset that has made society more and more intolerable as time goes on. This hand-wringing worry for the safety of criminals. There really isn't a legitimate reason for a mother to be snatching packages from the porches of people's homes and opening them in her car. Nor is there any reason the law should allow her to expect that situation to be one that is safe for her child. If she opens it and an angry wolverine emerges, then the ONLY person responsible for injury to herself or her child is her.It's astonishing to stand back and look at where we really are today. Just listened to my wife tell a tale of a school SRO that is now fighting a complaint filed against him for cuffing a student after they threatened to attack another student in the office, flung themselves into the deputy multiple times screaming, and the last time with a running start. Who is the mother, local press, and several parents now upset with? The officer that cuffed the little @#$^ after being rammed 4 or 5 times and warning the kid to stop it. I mean the kids are close to discovering that there *really* is not much anymore that can be done to them by litigation-fearing staff. Same with shoplifters and other thieves. They are just brazen because there are no consequences. All around it's the same. Good people being told they have to tiptoe around the worthless thieves because the thief might get a splinter.This package theft behavior is 100% ignored by police and authorities. You can have the face, address, and GPS data to back it all up and they will still tell you to pound-sand. There is currently absolutely no deterrence to doing this even if it's on video. I order stuff and have deliveries multiple times per month. I can't take off work to pick up all the packages and my shipping department at work would have a fit if people were using them to deliver personal packages. It's 10,000 person campus. They would be swamped if even 10% did that. I'm not sure what the answer here is. Maybe some type of secure container people can install at home to allow delivery services to drop off securely (reasonably) without just leaving things on the porch? My regular UPS/DHL folks tend to try and keep the package out-of-sight, but once the holidays hit and the extra hands come on I'm lucky if they only toss it from halfway down the driveway onto the porch.

author: LaserSteve
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 03:58:37 pm
content: Package theft is getting rampant. Even in our nice safe rural area, The post office now sends me a scan of my expected mail, and an email the day it is to arrive.My new "federally mandated" secure Ohio drivers license was stolen out of the mail. Really dumb idea to mail them without signature required or tracking. . Due to the feds DHS mandate, they all have to be printed at one central secure printer instead of on site at the DMV, the way it used to be. Now they hand you a laserprinted 8.5x11 piece of paper at the DMV as your temporary license.As for the missing one, I Had to have another one issued, took 21 days. Had it sent to work. Just got it.OH, BTW, a Biometric US Passport is not good enough to be considered Photo ID at the Ohio DMV. It gets me on Airbases and into National Labs, but Noooo... Not at the DMV. Instread bring a phone bill, a trash bill, or car insurance card as proof of residence.Please tell me how this IMPROVES security?BTW, DHL stands for DOESNT HANDLE LASERS. My friend has video of them dropping his crated laser off a plane.Steve

author: photomankc
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 04:02:13 pm
content: Quote from: timgiles on December 19, 2018, 10:28:59 amThat's good. Their business model more or less depends on being able to *quickly* deliver packages to homes while people are out, and the vast majority of homes are empty in the day time. Fast delivery and then 2 days of "We missed you" back-and-forth ruins it's effectiveness. That's a dang big business here. The police just shrugging and saying... "too bad, don't order online goods, or just accept them getting stolen" is not good for that and it's spawning an army of these people because they know there is currently effectively zero risk in doing it.

author: photomankc
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 04:05:51 pm
content: Quote from: LaserSteve on December 19, 2018, 03:58:37 pmLike most laws, it doesn't have to make sense. You just have to do it.

author: Tom45
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 04:33:56 pm
content: Quote from: LaserSteve on December 19, 2018, 03:58:37 pmThis actually does make sense. The Passport is good evidence of who you are, but it says nothing about where you live. Ohio's DMV rightly wants to limit Ohio driver's licenses to verified Ohio residents.

author: Tom45
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 05:11:31 pm
content: I'm self employed working at home with computer vision and controls.One time a customer sent me a $15000 camera for testing. I wasn't at home, so the UPS driver left it on my porch. Not a problem as I live in a rural area on a dead end road and my porch isn't at all visible from the somewhat distant road. UPS could have dropped off an unwrapped bar of gold with no problem.However, the next day someone at a UPS office saw that a $15K delivery had been left on a porch and had a cow. Actually she had a whole herd of cows.The first I knew about the "problem" was a phone call asking if I got my previous day's delivery OK. I said yes, no problem.A day later my UPS driver stopped by and said he didn't have a delivery. Just a piece of paper to sign saying that I had indeed received the package. I explained to him what had happened and we had a chuckle about it. It was obvious to both of us that there was little risk at my location.And before someone tries to track me down, I've never had any deliveries of gold (wrapped or unwrapped) in any quantity.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 06:00:53 pm
content: Quote from: texaspyro on December 18, 2018, 01:57:29 pmHe needs to add a claymore mine.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 06:23:52 pm
content: Just need to add another common item to the glitter area, itching powder. Or cinnamon or white pepper, all commonly available items. Can put on the package label "contents, spices" to cover the contents.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 07:12:29 pm
content: Quote from: Tom45 on December 19, 2018, 04:33:56 pmIt has never occurred to me to try, but couldn't someone register a phone, trash service or other utility at any random place they want? Find a vacant house somewhere, order garbage service, get a bill in the mail, there you go.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 07:51:53 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on December 19, 2018, 07:12:29 pmAccessing a mail box for a location that you don't legally own or occupy is a Federal Offense at least here in the USA.Remember that infamous mob bosses were finally convicted on relatively minor offenses like mail or tax fraud.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 10:49:37 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on December 19, 2018, 07:51:53 pmThat doesn't really seem to stop many mail or package thieves and actual investigation or even prosecution doesn't appear to be a priority or happening on a relevant scale. Rather than taking random packages it makes sense to get what you want on order. In for a penny and all that.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2018, 11:40:35 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 19, 2018, 10:49:37 pmI finally got myself a large locking mailbox to deter mail theft.OTOH, packages (even from the post) left on the front porch aren't exactly in a "protected location".

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2018, 01:18:50 am
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on December 19, 2018, 07:51:53 pmIt's obviously not legal, but if you need to establish a fake address you're probably up to no good in the first place. If everyone was honest they wouldn't need to ask for proof of residence in the first place. The question is whether it's likely to work, not whether it's legal or morally right to do so.

author: oPossum
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2018, 02:38:25 am
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on December 19, 2018, 07:51:53 pmAll my utility bills arrive by email, not postal mail. When I moved a few years ago and had to change address with various government agencies they all accepted a printout of the email without question. So no need to even establish fake residency, just edit the html in the email.

author: scuzzyTerminator
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2018, 09:27:07 am
content: Note to Dave:Some people don't like dumpster divers.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2018, 09:47:33 pm
content: Quote from: Kilrah on December 19, 2018, 09:59:49 amAnd you got no right to cause injury to other people, neither are you police, district attorney and judge in one person. This is what this is about... or what it could be seen as. Next time it could not be glitter (read some posts in this thread...) or not a thief (like: just someone who found it in the trash).That´s probably not going to have any serious consequences for Mark Rober, but multiplied thousands of times the probability of hitting the wrong person will be a statistical truth. Unfortunately most engineers have that mindset of an "acceptable" rate for death and injury - and think they are the ones to define it or declare their assumptions as facts. Sorry, but simply "nope".

author: Kilrah
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 20, 2018, 09:59:18 pm
content: Quote from: SparkyFX on December 20, 2018, 09:47:33 pm"Next time something else more dangerous by someone else to someone unrelated" is completely irrelevant to the subject, we're discussing what was done in this case and how it was perfectly fine, not one of 100 million other scenarios that may or may not be.Next time it can be a government throwing a bomb on someone they don't agree with, and there's no more reason for them to be right about it but it's somehow usually considered OK..

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2018, 10:03:34 pm
content: Quote from: SparkyFX on December 20, 2018, 09:47:33 pmOf course there's not going to be consequences for Mark Rober. It's glitter and fart spray, for fuck's sake! Nobody is going to get killed by that. People on the internet really seem to love coming up with imaginary dangers and then convicting people for those dangers. What's next, people saying I can't throw a plastic bag in a waste container because a child could pick stick his head in it and choke and I'd be liable for the death?

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2018, 10:09:34 pm
content: Quote from: SparkyFX on December 20, 2018, 09:47:33 pmimage the lawsuits if someone open that package while driving crashed and some got killed

author: ruffy91
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2018, 10:23:27 pm
content: If you'd open a package while driving you'd get other problems in Countries with sensible laws...

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 21, 2018, 05:01:19 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 20, 2018, 10:03:34 pmThe fact that it would even be considered to allow someone who stole something, broke into someone's house, etc to sue if they get hurt is something I've always found ridiculous. There's a *real* easy way to prevent this from ever happening, don't steal something that doesn't belong to you! If somebody steals a package and it injures them, you can bet I won't be losing any sleep over it. Some people seem to care more about the rights and well being of criminals that victimize innocent people without a second thought than about the people who are victimized.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 21, 2018, 06:46:43 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on December 21, 2018, 05:01:19 amMe too. I am not concerned about playing a prank on people that "deserved it" and were not injured and were filmed doing so, i am concerned about everybody else that was not thought of and question if the consequences in relation to the damage are still proportional and who defines who deserves what.QuoteSure... but in the moment the injury is premeditated, you define that a financial loss equates to injure someone. You´d be in bigger trouble then - locked up in psychatry or jail. Because the proportion of this is not to be defined by the perpetrator. How many dollars for an arm/leg/eye, whats the rate today? I am sure this looks cool on the big screen, but this is real life.There is obviously a cultural gap when even on a forum with plenty of time to think of an answer people can not distance themselves from an initial, emotionally determined reaction of taking blind revenge. That alone is hard to discuss and ends strongly political. I´d personally rather leave the discussion then.QuoteBetter read those posts again. They are secondary toward the INTENDED target, they question who else has a realistic chance to be hit, that someone simply did not have in his mind when taking these decisions and building such a trap device. If all your intentions work out the way you want... go play lottery, you would not need to take care of stolen packages.

author: Kilrah
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 21, 2018, 07:44:05 pm
content: Once again this is about a device that was precisely engineered to NOT risk injuring anyone.Yes there are people saying "I'd nuke/burn/cut them haha" but people who say that would never actually do it.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 21, 2018, 07:51:33 pm
content: Quote from: texaspyro on December 19, 2018, 02:39:02 amThis one is good!

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 21, 2018, 08:59:25 pm
content: It's a neat project, really well done. However, I think the actual uses of the box were staged. I could be wrong of course, but I don't think anyone smart enough to be employed by NASA would be dumb enough to set themselves up as a target for revenge by persons with an obvious criminal mindset.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 21, 2018, 09:45:23 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 21, 2018, 07:51:33 pmI know that I won't be bringing my Doberman's poop to a pawn shop to find out. That dog could knock a buzzard off of a corpse wagon at 20 paces.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 21, 2018, 10:08:22 pm
content: Quote from: SparkyFX on December 21, 2018, 06:46:43 pmWell let's remember that in many states in my country, it is perfectly legal to shoot and kill somebody who enters your properly illegally. It should be common sense not to walk onto someone's property uninvited and steal something off their porch, and indeed in areas where this sort of thing is widely permitted, it very rarely occurs. It's more than simple material possessions, it feels extremely violating to be a victim.There are certain activities, climbing up a power pole, scaling a cliff, pointing a weapon at a police officer, trying to walk across a highway, etc that are very likely to be lethal. Sensible people don't attempt to do these things, they are very easily avoided.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2018, 02:31:40 am
content: There is an article that part of the video was a fake anyway:https://gizmodo.com/viral-video-of-glitter-bomb-for-package-thieves-exposed-1831254130Quote from: james_s on December 21, 2018, 10:08:22 pmTrespassing laws, of course they are there to be able to react to a threat to yours and your family´s health and life, so you have it legally sorted out. But i don´t think they cover building trap devices in packagings that bait thieves.Quote from: james_s on December 21, 2018, 10:08:22 pmI know, but feelings can go away, money and most items can be replaced. Limbs however do not grow back and usually people do not arise from the dead. It is a questionable judgement to put these things equal.Of course i despise thieves and a slap on the wrist alone is not sufficient. But jail time, the subsequent criminal record & employment problems and paying the debt back is also a punishment - absolutely no need for vigilante justice that gets oneself into jail.

author: radioactive
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2018, 03:05:40 am
content: https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/12/21/youtuber-admits-aspects-of-viral-homepod-glitter-bomb-video-were-faked

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 22, 2018, 03:42:21 am
content: Quote from: radioactive on December 22, 2018, 03:05:40 amThere is a description under the video where he explains that in a few cases acquaintances of acquaintances faked it because there was monetary reward for returning it back. Those parts are no longer present in the video.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2018, 05:37:57 am
content: Quote from: SparkyFX on December 22, 2018, 02:31:40 amI was not saying that it's legally ok to boobytrap something, more like lamenting that there are potential legal consequences for doing so. I don't actually want to kill somebody, however it would not personally bother me if a package thief got injured, aside from the legal consequences to the person who set up the bait device.

author: m98
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2018, 12:38:21 pm
content: I'd have used holi color powder, as that's relatively harmless for the eyes and is probably even more difficult to get rid of entirely than glitter. For the appropriate smell, spray out a few cl of fish sauce. Also completely harmless, but they can basically go scrap their car or have much fun at least throwing away part of the furniture that came in contact.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2018, 12:35:31 am
content: What innocent people were harmed by the package, exactly?