Victor 86E - Anyone has it? - Page 1
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author: ablacon64
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2014, 02:48:43 pm
content: I wonder if anyone here has a Victor 86E DMM. I've read here some people telling it's crap but I did not see a review or teardown. Why is it crap? Just because it's chinese?The specs and range seems pretty good to me, I'd like to know if some owner could post his/her impressions about it.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 13, 2014, 03:29:49 pm
content: Victor is a small step above Vichy IMHO. That is not saying much as Vichy makes really cheap meters that aren't made to last. I have a Victor and it is just OK but for the $90 I found the Victor 86E online I think there are much better buys and less risk. I have no experience with that model and I would nt spend the money on it without knowing more.I know the prices in Brazil are crazy and that you are probably looking for a reasonably priced alternative. If you can pay a bit more there are much better alternatives IMHO.

author: ablacon64
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2014, 05:54:36 pm
content: Thanks for the reply. What catches my attention to it was that it has most of the functionality I want:- up to 80 MHz frequency- high capacitance support- temperature up to 1000ºC- data logging (RS232 interface)- Min/Max- analog bar- backlightHow bad can it be? It's almost all in one.I though it would be nice to take to the road. Money is an issue, since I'll pay 60% tax on everything (including shipping).I don't design, I just fix broken electronics, can't afford a top of the line Fluke and, to be very sincere, I don't think I need such an expensive meter for what I do.Maybe you could indicate me another model in the same price range.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2014, 10:32:11 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on March 13, 2014, 03:29:49 pmLightages is likely to recommend a Brymen 257.Since you live in Brazil, do you have access tohttp://www.minipa.com.br/1/5/63-Minipa-Multimetros-Digitais-ET-1649without paying much tax? The link above is a rebranded Brymen.They also have other meters including rebranded Uni-T, Fine Instruments, APPA, and CIE Instruments all in blue color schemes.http://www.minipa.com.br/1/5/Minipa-Multimetros-DigitaisEDIT: I haven't check the specs of the Brymen 257 to see if they meet your wants/needs list, but I do know that the Brymen will support logging with an optional cable.EDIT2: I have no experience/dealings with the seller so caveat emptor. I ran across their website a few months ago while researching the Minipa brand name.

author: ablacon64
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 01:11:30 am
content: Quote from: retiredcaps on March 13, 2014, 10:32:11 pmI can get it for around US$ 200.00 not bad for Brazil (but taxes are already included, we cannot scape that in here), but I have a doubt, the specs say it has 1 MHz frequency range, but sellers sell it as if it had 100MHz. I'll take a better look at the specs and some other meters I saw there.Quote from: retiredcaps on March 13, 2014, 10:32:11 pmI know the brand, have some MMD from them (not quite good), but did not know that one. I liked it, except for the frequency.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 01:20:37 am
content: Quote from: ablacon64 on March 14, 2014, 01:11:30 amBrymen website says 1Mhz for logic level frequency. Seehttp://brymen.com/product-html/cata250/Bm250L2.htm

author: iloveelectronics
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 01:33:33 am
content: I have no experience with the Victor 86E, but curiously the it's missing the "REL" button. It's one of the things users on some Chinese forums whine about. It seems to be based on the same chipset as the Uni-T UT61E.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 01:45:20 am
content: Yes, i would recommend the BM257 amongst other meters over any Victor meter. If you can get a BM257 or its rebranded equivalent for $200 including taxes in Brazil then that is a bargain in your country.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 02:15:41 am
content: Quote from: ablacon64 on March 13, 2014, 05:54:36 pmI rarely measure frequency, but looking through Wytnucls' spreadsheet HZ columnhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/I don't see a single multimeter, including Agilent, Gossen and Fluke, that come anywhere near close to 80 Mhz.The BK 2709B, the $100 meter shootout winner, is closest at 66 MHz.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 02:17:34 am
content: Quote from: iloveelectronics on March 14, 2014, 01:33:33 amCan you share some of the forum links that are more geared towards multimeters? Obviously, I will rely on Google Translate for reading.

author: iloveelectronics
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 03:41:41 am
content: Quote from: retiredcaps on March 14, 2014, 02:17:34 amHere's one that's the most relevant:http://bbs.38hot.net/forum-2-1.html

author: ablacon64
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 08:39:28 pm
content: I just discovered Minipa ET-2507A is Brymen 257, but it will cost me close to US$ 450.00.Got their catalog:http://www.minipa.com.br/Content/img/Catalogos/Arquivo/catalogo_2013_2014.pdfET-2550 is a dream but it's about US$ 750.00. I loved it (see catalog), do you know if it's a rebrand?That's why I like to buy on ebay, stores in Brazil gets too expensive.

author: iloveelectronics
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 03:01:33 am
content: Quote from: ablacon64 on March 14, 2014, 08:39:28 pmThat looks like a rebadged Uni-T UT71D. $750 is outrageous! I am just getting one for a customer in the UK for less than $150...

author: ablacon64
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 03:23:30 am
content: Quote from: iloveelectronics on March 15, 2014, 03:01:33 amIt's the DMM price + seller profits + shipping + 60% tax over everything (including shipping)... The only way to not be taxed is to buy something cheaper than US$ 100.00 (including shipping).Is the difference between UT71C and UT71D only accuracy?

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 04:36:34 am
content: Accuracy is the same. The only difference is internal logging. 9999 data points instead of a 100.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 05:07:41 am
content: Yes, the prices in Brazil are more than robbery. $450 for a BM257? WOW!

author: ablacon64
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 01:29:26 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on March 15, 2014, 05:07:41 amYes. It looks like everyone here is super-rich, right?We also have the world's most expensive cars without any accessories. Apartments here are half the size and double priced, as compared to US, for example (depends on the region).

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 07:08:40 pm
content: I think it is like everywhere in South America. The rich are VERY rich and they get their money by robbing their customers. It is similar in Chile. The prices here are sometimes double the prices of North America but one year or two year old technology and/or the worst quality and service. Until the sheeple of South America sya "no more, we aren't going to buy at these prices", it will continue.As far as getting a meter in under $100 US to avoid taxes and customs, and with good quality, talk to Franky, AKA iloveelecronics here on the forum.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 07:17:44 pm
content: Maybe you want to look at the Uni-T UT136 that he has. It looks like quiet a reasonable meter for the money, and safe too.http://www.ebay.com/itm/Uni-T-UT139C-True-RMS-Digital-Multimeter-Temperature-NCV-Backlight-/171213085325?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27dd185a8dor if you are not going to measure high energy things I can recommend this:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digitek-DT-2843R-AC-DC-True-RMS-Multimeter-Backlight-and-Temperature-/171080136251?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d52bb63b

author: ablacon64
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 07:57:39 pm
content: Thank you very much for the advice. I'll wait a couple of weeks and invest in something a little better. Maybe figure out a way to get the UT71D in my hands without getting ripped off by the government.

author: guslimons
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 08:04:40 pm
content: yeah i live on brazil too...(sad) and everything is expensive but... china is there right?recently i bought a uni-t UT-61E on dealextremehttp://dx.com/p/ut61e-2-6-lcd-digital-multimeter-red-black-1-x-9v-6f22-battery-113306#.UySu6vldV8Ei'm waiting now, it was shipped from sweden yesterday... anyways.The ut-61e isn't a bad DMM (as everyone says) has some "problems", as it doesn't have backlight (moddable), thermometer and has cheap test leads (but you can buy some, they aren't expensive).And the price of course US$62.95 (R$147.37) and free shipping on dx.comAbout the taxes... well someone recently discovered a law (yes law) that you can buy US$100 from anywhere without tax (what compares to the US$300 by land or US$500 by air). And they give you a text to send to the customs if they tax you even if your order was under 100 bucks!And sorry for my English i'm not quite "fluid" yet...