LBRY is full of pr0n. A virtuous Linux creator ups and leaves.. - Page 1
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author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 05:41:50 am
content: Who knew.... I never signed up or signed in, and I never thought to look at the SETTINGS button which lets you change content settings. Lo and behold, there is a checkmark (which was left unchecked) for "Show mature content" which was unbeknown to me and perhaps most people who visit LBRY for the first time. The video linked above does open one's eyes.I was considering maybe using LBRY as a secondary site for my channel, after Dave mentioned he uses it for EEVBlog. However, my understanding is that LBRY will let you monetize but viewers have to pay to view, as there is no ad-supported monetization. While it may be insignificant to charge people even 1 penny, the fact that they need to pay somehow may be too much of a hassle for most people to bother. Perhaps if their site injects bit-mining code into your browser so that it mines some bitcoin while you are on their site, it will "pay" for the video views automatically that way?Maybe LBRY will be forced as it grows to drop more "questionable" content from the site. However, having a completely open unfettered site does have some advantages for content creators. I guess we'll see what happens.By the way.... has anyone noticed that you can right click on any video and choose "Save video as..." which will save a stream.mp4 file to your computer. It's not the greatest quality but it's still pretty good. I know there are tools to download YouTube videos, but this option on LBRY makes it ridiculously simple! Not sure if I would like that as a content creator.

author: KaneTW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 08:54:58 am
content: Honestly I approve of not restricting what content is allowed on your site. Add some visible content filters and you're fine.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 09:40:22 am
content: Quote from: KaneTW on February 18, 2020, 08:54:58 amAbsolutely.I see porn on LBRY as a positive thing, not a negative thing (and not for the reasons one would normally assume).

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 09:54:31 am
content: I just want to know why I wasn't informed earlier.

author: KaneTW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 10:32:58 am
content: Yep. My main reasons area) restricting content paves the way to pseudo-censorshipb) it combats the negative stigma of sex workc) explicit content shouldn't be something frowned upond) the line between educational and explicit content can be rather thin sometimes

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 11:24:42 am
content: Rule of thumb: if organised crime adopts a comms technology, then it will probably be successful. Examples:long distance telephones for bootleggingVCRs for images with lots of pinkpagers for drug drops

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 11:51:09 am
content: Gosh, man discovers that something on the Internet that can be used for porn is used for porn. Stop the presses.I can happily cope with the idea that someone who identifies as <insert religion> and finds that something they are using conflicts with <insert religion> and chooses to stop using it. The only comment that is necessary on their part is something like "<insert platform> carries content that I'm not comfortable with because I'm an adherent of <insert religion> so I've stopped using it. The content is <insert religious restriction> and as an adherent of <insert religion> I'd advise you to avoid it too." and then they should shut up.What galls me is that by 4 1/2 minutes into his 24 minute video I've already heard too many times about how virtuous he is because he's leaving money on the table while his channel is climbing the ratings, yadda, yadda, yadda. Strangely the very founder of his particular religion expressly told peoplenotto go around telling people how virtuous you are when you're going something that is regarded as 'good' (Matthew chapter six for those who want to look it up).It never ceases to amaze me how much more timesomereligious types will spend on obsessing about what they see as bad behaviour on the behalf of others rather than on going out and doing something good themselves. Oh wait, didn't that founder guy have something to say about planks and splinters? it's notable that those who do go out and do something to actively help other people tend to be the quiet ones not shouting about what they're doing or shouting about what other people shouldn't do.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 11:52:30 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 18, 2020, 11:24:42 amDo you mean "My Little Pony"?

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 12:45:19 pm
content: I don't specifically care what is on LBRY... the settings are there for people to use as they see fit. I'm just wondering if you put videos on it, is it possible to monetize for people who haven't bought LBC (LBRY bitcoins?). Perhaps they can include ads on a video-by-video basis if you choose the option... but that could introduce censorship based on who wants to advertise with you or on their site. Alternatively putting a bitcoin miner on the page perhaps could create revenue, although that would also slow down computers. It's good to have a repository of content independent of YouTube but will creators feel the pinch financially? People don't particularly want to sign in, buy LBC's and so on. But if they don't, nothing they watch gets any money either. I guess it could be where you put up a shorter free commercial video for your main video, which you then charge for... that could work.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 12:58:59 pm
content: Quote from: KaneTW on February 18, 2020, 10:32:58 amWell, there is one gay "educational" music video on Vimeo. Which in the end turns out to be gay pr0n. I'm quite amazed how it passed. Seriously, don't watch it as it cannot be unseen vimeo.com/200672866

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 01:33:06 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 18, 2020, 11:24:42 amand they all have one thing in common; the government trying to prevent people from getting something they really really want, failing miserably and accomplishing nothing but giving organized crime a monopoly and giant profitshere "images with lots of pink" were legalized in 1969, I don't think there were many VCRs around back then

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 01:49:35 pm
content: Quote from: KaneTW on February 18, 2020, 10:32:58 amHow about child pornography ?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 01:52:59 pm
content: Quote from: edy on February 18, 2020, 12:45:19 pmWhat I would like to see is a coin that's "mined" by sharing bandwidth, since that uses a lot less electricity than compute intensive mining. Just that so far, nobody has made that work in practice. Perhaps it would be done by hosting public hotspots that require payment to connect (albeit at a far cheaper rate than cellular) with Tor as a backend to get around the usual problems of hosting an open AP on your home connection.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 03:01:32 pm
content: I might join LBRY and put up content that I have uploaded to YouTube but for whatever reason YouTube has refused to monetize. For example, stuff that is not obscene, but may not be advertiser-friendly. Things like surgical procedures, target shooting or reviews on firearms, and so on. So completely viewable on YouTube without any restrictions on age, but just unable to monetize due to advertiser limitations. What do I have to lose in that case?

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 03:19:17 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on February 18, 2020, 07:03:33 amMost alternatives to YouTube position themselves as free speech platforms. The only lax attitudes you can have on a free speech platform are poor reliability and censoring stuff.Youtube is brimming over with material I find quite offensive, but I don't want that material to be suppressed.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 03:55:20 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on February 18, 2020, 03:32:50 pmWhat other interpretation do you expect the reader to see in the term "lax attitude" to describe something which is actually policy?

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 04:22:46 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on February 18, 2020, 12:58:59 pmiANAL (® Apple)

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 04:24:55 pm
content: Ok so I joined LBRY to see what it is all about and have it syncing the YouTube channel where I put up my old ALL ORIGINAL music compositions (mostly stuff I did in high school and university using MIDI synthesizers). I barely get any views on the music anyways, so I don't really care that LBRY now has it. We'll see what happens! I earned a few LBC's as a sign up bonus, but I don't expect to make any money with this at all. The main point is to understand how it works as a creator.I sometimes do piano covers as well but worried to place it on my main channel as I always wonder about the extent of copyright law on YouTube. It is probably rare to get a strike on a piano cover and the algorithms probably wouldn't detect it as a "match" to any copyrighted music library... But could be that copyright holders do blanket searches for video descriptions and flag based on that too. Also it may raise flags if a video starts getting very popular and gets many hits.So the question remains, how likely is copyright on piano covers enforced by LBRY, YouTube or anyone for that matter? And LBRY has to comply still to copyright, I don't think it's a free-for-all on there? I see they have a section dealing with copyright and DCMA requests and so on, but I can't understand the decentralized nature of the service and "seeders" and how this differs from YouTube. Maybe they also don't auto-scan audio from your video... so unless somebody actually watches it and files a complaint, it is not going to be flagged. YouTube has put copyright claims against some of my videos just because in the background on a cruise-ship there was some music playing over the PA system (very crappy quality for that matter, with people talking all over it)!One of the weird things I've noticed is that to login to LBRY you have to type in your email and get a verification link to your email to sign in each time. Is there no username/password page to login? There are also a number of other issues I've noticed... The LBC is not showing up properly. I have a list of transactions but it now shows 0 LBC. Not sure why I'm getting all sorts of glitches... is the site ok or do I need to refresh my cache or restart browser? Anyone else find it is not ready for prime time?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 04:58:19 pm
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on February 18, 2020, 02:40:38 amWhat's the gist of that 24 minute video?

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 04:58:49 pm
content: If they ever become as popular as youtube, they'll do the same things as youtube.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 05:33:42 pm
content: QuoteChap's too lazy to think of typing owt and expects his viewer to spend half an hour finding out not a lot.It's a bit like subscriptions: who could begrudge a measly 25 mins? Just as who could begrudge a paltry £3 a month or whatever? 'S OK for just the one, but lots of them soon add up. I really wish 'creators' (they ain't, they're just very lazy boys) would leave the videos for stuff that demonstrates and just provided a blog or transcript for stuff where only their lips move. Better, just a precis and executive summary.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 05:46:54 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 18, 2020, 04:58:19 pmThe gist is... "I don't want my content on a site that has adult (explicit) videos on it as well"... and he argues this from a moral ethical standing. On the other hand, there are settings which you can use to filter out this stuff, although a few things still get through (due to inadequate content descriptions/tagging by the uploader) but usually sort out after the community reports it as being NSFW. Also, he received some questionable emails/spam alerting him to adult content on LBRY which he didn't like either.What the video SHOULD HAVE argued, perhaps also making a better case, is not about the morality of posting to a site that tries to be as uncensored as possible, but as to the LBRY platform as a whole and how it can benefit creators... or whether there are issues with it. How is it better? How is it worse? What are the limitations/weaknesses and strengths? Is monetization practical and can creators earn enough on it? Is the technology robust enough, glitchy, and what can be done to make it more relevant and attractive as an alternative to YouTube for viewers?That would have been more interesting than talking about one's own moral beliefs about whether or not LBRY should or shouldn't be hosting adult content or not. While that may be important for some people, what is important to all creators is some of the other points I touched upon above.I am curious to know what Dave has experienced so far with LBRY and how much has it helped his channel (to which I just subscribed on LBRY), whether it cannibalizes from his YouTube viewers or actually grows his following, and his thoughts regarding LBC's versus YouTube adsense revenue. I feel like it is still a big experiment and could implode any day.[EDIT:Ok I'm starting to understand how LBRY works... very different than YouTube, completely different underlying technology and system for making it work, and how it uses everyone's computers to distribute content across the entire web. You get "paid" by viewing videos because you are actually downloading and become part of the hive, like bittorrent... you host the videos!!!! And have to "pay" to publish a video.I started viewing Dave's LBRY EEVBlog videos and stepped away from the computer... a few hours later and I have about 3 or 4 of Dave's videos on my computer, since it keeps playing the next video... Using up my hard drive and bandwidth. I ended up gaining another LBC... and had to open up port 3333 which is what the LBRY app uses. Not sure if I love this model but I get it.]

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 11:05:30 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 18, 2020, 04:58:19 pmI thought the thread title would have self explanatory enough for those interested enough. I realize now he takes too long to get to the point.In this case, there was concern that if I added my own commentary, I risk filling the thread with replies confirming or denying certain beliefs. I was actually hoping to hear more from creators moving from youtube to LBRY.A time code link at the point of knot several minutes in might have been the shot.Sorry about that.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2020, 11:07:12 pm
content: Quote from: edy on February 18, 2020, 05:46:54 pmThanks, man.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2020, 07:51:56 am
content: Quote from: edy on February 18, 2020, 05:46:54 pmIf the police take a look at your computer, what would they find?How would you explain what they found?If you refuse to hand over encryption keys (or they think you are refusing), go to jail.And apart from that, if you are trying to build a brand, you reallyreallydon't want it polluted by association.Large companies get very irritated when legal but inappropriate adverts are shown alongside their stuff.

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2020, 09:19:28 am
content: I must admit I followed the link on mailbag and then saw where he had clickbaited me to and thought...No... No... No.No thanks

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2020, 11:39:13 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 19, 2020, 07:51:56 amYou have an option to delete anything from your computer... but still I don't like that everything you watch gets fully downloaded and stored and accessed by everyone else half a world away. It's not stuff on my computer I'm worried about... if a criminal on the other side of the world is being traced and they see connections to my IP address they may wonder what is going on.The other thing is you have to keep deleting stuff or it will keep downloading. Pretty soon not only fill your hard drive but as people watch content you are also "seeding" so your bandwidth is getting used up too. Most people have better download speeds than upload speed. If you are doing a lot of uploading you may feel a further bottleneck. Lastly, my understanding is that all activity including who downloads and uploads and watches and pays is being added to the block chain. Does that mean everything you do on LBRY is open by everyone else to see? Or only transactions? How private are your viewing habits and what you choose to host or pay for?So on the flip-side remember the whole point of this is to make it a robust platform that cannot be easily taken down. Because files are hosted everywhere, ports can be changed, seemingly it can thwart some basic attempts at blockage. I assume all the packets are encrypted end to end so it would be difficult to packet-scan and see what protocol is being used. Maybe they have a specific signature. Anyways, it is not a substitute for YouTube... we can all agree to that. It is an very DIFFERENT alternative distribution method that is trying to cater to the needs of creators and viewers and has introduced an interesting way to allow monetization.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2020, 12:51:16 pm
content: Quote from: edy on February 19, 2020, 11:39:13 amThat, of course, is one obvious mechanism that could cause the authorities to look at your computer."I didn't put it there", "I didn't know it was there" are going to be difficult to sell to a typical jury.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2020, 02:56:45 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 19, 2020, 12:51:16 pmI don't know. I think it would probably be quite easy to get a typical jury to accept that there's stuff buried on your computer that you haven't a clue is there because you could demonstrate to the average juror that they have lots of 'stuff' on their own computers that they have no clue is there. That, however, may not be the problem.Child pornography is a tricky one here in the UK. As it stands mere possession of child pornography is an offence. You can be in possession, not know it, and still be committing an offence. There are real issues with this. I was involved peripherally in early UK efforts to stamp out child pornography online. During this time the law in the UK changed, and where before the law made it illegal to make such an image with criminal intentions, the aspect of intent was removed making this act an absolute offence. Taking a copy by downloading something had been held to be "making" under the law. This caused both us and the police problems, as it was now illegal to possess such indecent images even though yourintentin possessing them was to seize them as evidence, or use them to create automated filters to detect child pornography, or for any other legitimate purpose associated with trying to stamp them out.This trap was hedged around by a tacit understanding that if you were known to be 'one of the good guys' then you wouldn't be prosecuted - it should be obvious the myriad ways in which this was unsatisfactory and the potential for abuse that it introduces. When the Met made a complete pig's ear oftreating a family in Forest Gate as suspected terrorists, raiding their house, ripping it apart to search every crevice and even shooting one of thema computer that had been seized, searched comprehensively for terrorist materials and found clean, suddenly had child pornography found on it after it had become clear that the police had made a horrible mistake and ripped a completely innocent family's lives apart. Eventually, no action was taken on the possession of child pornography charges and it all went very quiet on the subject. What everybody suspects is that a police officer had planted evidence in an attempt to 'rescue' the massive violent raid against completely innocent people because paedophiles are so hated that it would be OK in the public eye that the police had treated them so horribly.The issue ofknowingthat you are in possession of child pornography has thankfully now been dealt with in case law and it is now recognised as a legitimate defence if you don't know you have it. However, by the point you are in court proving this your life has already been ruined. It is disappointing that this has not been dealt with by statue and this tells you all you need to know about the state's attitude towards people they incriminate by careless drafting of laws.As it stands, in the UK the quickest way to utterly destroy someone is to hide a stash of child pornography on their computer and tip the police off. If you're the victim of this don't expect the police or the public to treat you in any way fairly as they will have all gone 'red mist' at the moment that they hear you are accused of possessing child pornography.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2020, 03:12:59 pm
content: Some of these issues should be huge concerns for anyone wanting to actively participate in the LBRY network. It's easy to just have them copy over all your YouTube content and then take a backseat approach, not watch anything or removing all files from your computer (there is a setting which disables all downloads to local storage). Of course, this weakens the network and if everyone did that, LBRY would no longer function. This may also hamper efforts to earn LBC rewards. If you have a big audience, popular videos and lots of subscribers maybe you can eke out a few LBC's passively this way. But if you are just starting out, you will need to be actively engaged in LBRY, viewing lots of videos, grabbing rewards daily and spending a lot of energy and time on it. The current value of LBC is $0.018266 US. We haven't yet heard from Dave (although he promised in his recent mailbag) that he would compare YouTube and LBRY and perhaps he may report on the revenue potentials and whether he has observed some of the same issues we are talking about in this thread.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2020, 03:14:25 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 19, 2020, 07:51:56 amPollution by association and the resulting irritated companies are just institutional cowardice and virtue signalling. Instead of ignoring the idiots who can't tell their arse from their elbow the lowest common denominator is catered to, dragging the whole down to rock bottom. Everything becomes drab and safely PC for fear of someone brandishing their cultivated outrage as a weapon.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2020, 03:35:15 pm
content: So with BitTorrent you can usually see the number of seeds/peers/availability and other parameters of the files. With LBRY it appears that once you start viewing a file, you download it *IN FULL* and from start to finish (not in pieces). So I am assuming that UNLIKE BitTorrent, LBRY treats a file as a single piece (or at least as a bunch of sequentially-prioritized pieces) that will be completely downloaded eventually by the viewer (although you can start watching partial files when they are mp4 streams).That seems to suggest that "availability" will have to be at the very least 1.0 for any file that you can actually start to stream... at least one person on the net is letting you download it from them (how could they possibly have an incomplete file, if so it would be unviewable in whole which kind of sucks if you are providing content that stops midway through). Anyone not online would not have the file available... but LBRY could keep track that the person "potentially" could still have it when they log back in. However, once they do, if it is no longer on their machine (they deleted it) then it would update both the "real" availability and "potential" number.Once you view the file, assuming it is now downloaded to your computer (which LBRY by default does unless you manually delete them or uncheck the option to help the network) then availability should increment by 1 theoretically (you and the original pool of seeders). Should I then assume that availability will always be WHOLE NUMBERS with LBRY depending on how many people are online and have kept the file on their machine? And do you always connect to a single machine to download the file or are "pieces" still being downloaded from a number of places, just prioritized with first pieces first in order to allow the quickest possible time to allow the stream to start?Is there any way to determine this in LBRY (like torrent apps often show) so you can see how many copies of the file are available online at one time? I wonder how redundant/robust LBRY is given that it depends on users to keep massive amounts of content on their machines. I am guessing LBRY itself probably has a bunch of servers holding content too, or 3rd parties who want to contribute to the network... I can't imagine this is relying on private users online only. I remember from the BitTorrent days how sporadic access to files was, and how connections were often slow or availability was below 1.0 until some user with the complete file logged on. And how many files would disappear from the network once everyone downloaded it and then archived it.The other reason there must be some main repository is because when you PUBLISH a video, if you then turn off your computer before anyone else watches the file, does that mean it has availability zero? It must be going somewhere? What about all my YouTube channel videos that I asked LBRY to pull out from there. Are they actually pulling the files over to their servers and keeping them until enough users watch and get copies, or are they just relying on YouTube hosting the files until people on the LBRY network start viewing and then pull them out that way? There must be large LBRY servers still out there doing most of the heavy work... I can't imagine individual users are supporting most of it.LBRY worked on a distribution protocol network system based on how Torrent works and applied it to real-time media streaming, an improvement on how regular Torrent works... since with regular Torrents you could have 90% of a file but missing a piece in the middle or beginning and your content will not play. With LBRY it seems they prioritize what pieces you download so you can view the file in real-time while still collecting more of the file, eventually catching up so the entire stream is all there. For example, if I start viewing a file and then "jump" to the end, my downloaded file is still continuing to download exactly the same while I am simultaneously viewing the end of the file. My computer is therefore downloading BOTH the file from beginning to end, and simultaneously the END of the file that I am actively watching... but that END content may be cached somewhere else and then spliced into the existing download when it gets up to that point.Any ideas on these stats with LBRY and how it works?

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 04, 2020, 09:45:45 am
content: Congrats on cracking 10,000 subscribers on LBRY Dave.https://lbry.social/lbrynomics/top-lbry-channels/I love the ad-free viewing. Plus does the video quality look a little better or is it my imagination?

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2020, 03:08:27 am
content: Yes congratulations Dave, that is superb! Will you be sharing with us what is in that "box surprise" they announced last week when you get it? Many people assumed an electronic wallet or something like a LBRY logo plaque to hang on the wall, or a special USB key, maybe a multi-tool?I am on there as well now with my @winegaming channel... up to 9 subscribers, woo hoo! And I think I have about 100 LBC at this point mostly from following EEvblog and others (Naomi Sexy Cyborg is on there) and daily rewards from viewing videos. So that's like $2?I'm having fun figuring out how this whole LBRY thing works and supporting others on the platform.https://lbry.tv/@winegaming:b

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2020, 05:43:04 pm
content: Quote from: edy on March 06, 2020, 03:08:27 amOk wow now I'm quoting myself....Thank you Dave for posting your video on the LBRY gift! Perfect timing after my previous post's question! Congratulations on receiving 100,000 LBC's... even today at 15 cents an LBC that's a nice $1500 USD bonus! It sounds like they are "locked down" for 2 years... so in 2 years that may be worth way more. If it goes the way of Bitcoin, you may be sitting on a fortune!!! Woo!!!From your video I gather that you can check to see the cryptocurrency is there but it won't actually be transferable to your LBRY account for 2 years? If that is the case, how can you "use it" to influence LBRY (which I gather can only be done by using LBC's to promote video, stake claims, tip, etc...). Or does it mean you can have it in your LBRY wallet and use it in your LBRY app but can't "cash it out" (i.e. convert from LBC to some other cryptocurrency or sell it for fiat currency) for 2 years? I'm a bit confused as which is the case.I don't know how that compares to your YouTube ad revenue, and whether you are feeling yet if LBRY is cannibalizing some of your YouTube views because you share the same content on both. I am trying to make DIFFERENT content on my LBRY channel although for now there are a few overlaps (although I am trying to separate the 2 contents). What is the best strategy? Is it better to have LBRY and YouTube be exact duplicates of each other? Essentially... are you reaching out to build 2 different audiences, or just splitting the same audience between 2 sites? Does LBRY then give a better return than YouTube ad-revenue? Or is this just a way of having a "backup" in case of the ad-pocalypse? Given that your content is advertiser-friendly and you should be able to do fine on both platforms, what do you do? Any metrics thus far?As for me, I'm not a professional YouTuber, I'm just helping to be a part of the experiment and interested to see how this all plays out.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 01:22:10 am
content: Quote from: edy on February 18, 2020, 05:41:50 amErr, my content on LBRY is free, as are all the other channels I subscribe to on there.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 01:25:16 am
content: Quote from: edy on March 06, 2020, 05:43:04 pmLBC is nowhere near 15cQuoteYes, I can see it on the blockchain.No I can't use it to support my content unfortunately, I just guessed I could.QuoteI don't care if other platform "canibalise" my Youtube views, that's up to the viewers, I just give them a choice.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 01:27:04 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on March 04, 2020, 09:45:45 amIt should not be better, it is downloaded from Youtube and is a much smaller file size than my upload to youtube.As an example, my upload for a recent video was 700MB, but the imported LBRY version was 160MB.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 01:28:27 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 07, 2020, 01:27:04 amAh I thought you might be uploading the master files. In that case, it's all in my head.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 01:33:06 am
content: Quote from: edy on February 18, 2020, 04:24:55 pmThat's lbry.tv andnotlbry itself. LBRY is protocol, just like https is. You can use a LBRY app on any platform to view content on LBRY network without having to log into lbry.tv

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 01:34:38 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on March 07, 2020, 01:28:27 amNo, and that's the beauty of LBRY (and Bitchute), the creator doesn't have to do anything to post content, it's fully automatic, it pulls the video, the description, the thumbnail and description for you.Bitchute only pulls a 480p version though, whereas LBRY pulls a full 1080p version.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 01:40:10 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on February 18, 2020, 02:40:38 amI stopped watching at "I am a christian and I take my faith very seriously".As for porn on the LBRY network, I have seen it show up occaisonally, but I have the NSFW filter turned on (I believe it's on by default in both lbry.tv and the Windows desktop app).As for the top channels on the network, I have to go all the way to 144 on the list to find the first NSFW channel (@p0rn), and they don't even let you click on that link, so they are at least taking this stuff seriously.https://lbry.social/lbrynomics/top-lbry-channels/If his argument is that LBRY is a "dumpster fire" because it's filled with porn, he's demonstrably wrong.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 02:08:14 am
content: I just skipped through the video, and he seams to mention various things that LBRY are promoting in terms of sexual content and sexual references. I actually agree with this, and I actually posted a comment on an LBRY update video about the CEO's use of potentially obscene gestures in the video and title. Not because I'm offended by that kind of thing, I couldn't give a rats arse, but that it just was appropriate for the CEO to talking like this in a public update video about their new thing. And it seems other creators agreed with me on that.But in that video he also shows 4 porn channels on the Top 200 list, all of which have now ironically dropped in ranking, two off the list completely since he shot the video. So the network is growingoppositeto what he thinks it's being destroyed byTLDR; he's just a christian who's offended by porn.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 02:16:23 am
content: The LBRY response:and his response:

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 10:38:55 pm
content: I believe the correct response to the whole issue of sexual imagery being offensive to some people is:Booo hooo. Neeeext!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 11:20:18 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on March 07, 2020, 10:38:55 pmI would agree with him howeverifthe site was actually filled with that stuff and it dominated the top channels and search results, that means both Joe Average viewer and creator isn't going to want to use it. But that's not the case, in fact it's the opposite.This would be similar to BitChute that I have complained about in a video, it's filled with nazi and other crackpot stuff, and they really don't seem to care. In this respect LBRY is a much friendlier place, it hasn't attracted the crackpots. At least LBRY know this and have a system to tag NSFW content and not display by default. And if it got too much they could then choose not to display it at all on lbry.tv

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2020, 09:38:06 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 07, 2020, 01:25:16 amOops... off by 1 order of magnitude! It was actually 1.5 cents at the time of my posting. Interesting figures... All-Time High $1.60 (Jul 14, 2016) and All-Time Low $0.00545793 (Dec 20, 2019). Based on those figures... at an all-time high the 100,000 LBC gift would have been worth $160,000, and at an all-time low $545. Let's hope in 2 years when you can "cash in" on this reward it will be significantly higher!As far as "pr0n" is concerned, I believe if your content filter is not changed from the default, it will NOT show any questionable content (although some are miscategorized and I believe a reporting mechanism should be in place to ensure this doesn't show up if you choose to filter it out).I am hoping that the creators of LBRY don't suffer from a misogynistic Silicon-valley "boys club startup culture" which we have seen plague other companies in the past. This may be a reason for their titillating emails. I have no problem with "pr0n" on the site but it needs to be properly filtered. It could also be that they are trying TOO HARD to be "counter-culture" and "edgy" and "in your face" to get their site promoted. I think if it is to gain a solid foundation of creators (especially those from YouTube) it will need to promote more normative content. Otherwise the site will be full of content that is self-promoting either LBRY, cryptocurrency, pr0n, conspiracy theorists, alt-right, anarchists and every extremist view out there (that would likely be bumped or demonetized on YouTube).Perhaps it is just that in the initial growth spurt of LBRY, it attracted this stuff but as the platform grows it will become more main-stream. The LBRY executive need to do their part though to help brand it that way, otherwise it will scare away potential viewers. I am hoping these fringe elements will be diluted in time.One more thing... if you have ads embedded in your video as opposed to just being served up (like YouTube does) it could also make a difference. A sponsor would automatically make your video demonetized on YouTube, but they may have issue with the LBRY platform (like the Linux guy) and choose not to follow a creator there. So any creators with embedded sponsors will be more restricted in general by the whims of their patrons. You will have to hope view counts and LBRY tokens make up for any such sponsor withdrawal or go for the platform they prefer.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2020, 01:55:03 am
content: Quote from: edy on March 08, 2020, 09:38:06 pmYep, I think it's that. A bad move.QuoteYes, and it's easy, just target certain genres like tech and science for starters.This is why Bitchute is not a great place for content, they have encouraged just the dregs of the banned internets and that's the stuff that dominates.LBRY already has science and tech channels in the top 10 list, so it pays to capitalise on this.Whilst LBRY can't and shouldn't control what goes on the actual LBRY blockchain, they can control what stuff is posted and highlighted on lbry.tv and the app etc.

author: Refrigerator
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2020, 08:01:21 pm
content: Not sure what's the big deal with pr0n, you can find it on YT without much effort.Wasn't it on some vSauce video that i heard 30% of all content on the internet is pr0n ?It's not like you get blasted with all manner of it as soon as you open the site up, no?Also, whenever someone goes out of their way to outline how religious they are i tend to avoid them.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2020, 09:17:02 pm
content: Quote from: Refrigerator on March 10, 2020, 08:01:21 pmThere is a very big difference between "finding it" and "being presented with it".That hasalwaysbeen the case.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2020, 09:40:45 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on March 10, 2020, 09:17:02 pm"being presented with it" generates a image in my head of a Jeeves type butler character leaning forward presenting a silver salver on steepled fingers saying "Your pornography sir."

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 10, 2020, 09:51:05 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on March 10, 2020, 09:17:02 pmIn this case you aren't "presented with it" on LBRY, it's hidden by default.Our Linux christian fundamentalist friend is taking exception to the wording of some email sent out by the LBRY team, he can't handle double-entendre.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2020, 10:30:07 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 10, 2020, 09:51:05 pmSnicker!