Fluke 87V causes cancer! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 06:20:41 pm
content: Check the warning on the side of the latest Fluke 87 packaging:

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 06:33:13 pm
content: It does not cause cancer, but contains chemicals known to cause cancer. There is a difference.

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 06:37:54 pm
content: Not only that, but the state of California has much different standards than the federal EPA or the IARC for what constitutes a carcinogen. Basically, just about everything causes cancer in California.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 06:39:59 pm
content: There is the list.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_65_list_of_chemicalsThe list has testosterone.I contain materials known to the state of california to cause cancer.My other favorite materials are wood dust and PVC and Asphalt. I guess you should not eat your multimeter.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 06:41:10 pm
content: Apart from putting this label on buildings where people can potentially smoke, I don't really see over-use of the label. So I wonder what exactly Fluke put into their meter. If there is an improvement can be made to that system, that would be the one - be more specific.They also made similar warning recently for BPA. That stuff can be in the plastics, I guess.EDIT: BPA is apparently on the list already, so I'm not sure why they needed separate prop and a label for that.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 06:46:52 pm
content: Standard California prop 65 warning. Old news - they've been around for 30 years.Quote from: helius on July 31, 2017, 06:37:54 pmYes, thankfully.QuoteNot quite.Here's the current list

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 06:51:36 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on July 31, 2017, 06:39:59 pmAlso estrogens and other naturally occurring hormones, as it should:QuoteSource

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 07:23:39 pm
content: The proponents of Prop 65 had good intentions. It sounds good on paper. Drag everything out into the light, and let people make educated decisions. However, it has become yet another case of information overload. When almost everything you buy (slight exaggeration) has a Prop 65 warning label on it, the signal-to-noise ratio is so low that the warning labels are effectively useless.Not to mention the stupidity of representing carcinogenicity as a boolean. So even the most carcinogenic substance on the list gets the exact same Prop 65 warning label as the least carcinogenic substance. In terms of your actual risk of developing cancer from said substances, that's a pretty huge range. At the high end, you have the usual things like industrial solvents, etc. And at the low end, things like food coloring that has only been shown to cause cancer in lab rats getting massive daily injections of the stuff.And of course, the whole thing is premised on the idea that people are going to see the warning label, decide to go do some research, and then make an informed decision. That's laughable. The vast majority of Californians (including me) just ignore the labels entirely. Most of the rest probably just get scared off of buying anything with a Prop 65 label on it. Maybe there's some really tiny percentage of people that actually do the research, but those are just the same people who'd be doing it anyway, and I sincerely doubt that those people find the warning labels to be useful, since you basically just have to research everything.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 07:24:42 pm
content: The state of California is known to cause cancer.

author: WastelandTek
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 08:41:21 pm
content: only in California, you are safe everywhere else

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 08:44:49 pm
content: Quote from: WastelandTek on July 31, 2017, 08:41:21 pmYou are oblivious and misinformed everywhere else.Don't get me wrong Prop65 is not the best example of a good implementation, and that's something to work on. But it is important to provide information to consumers.Same way as nutrition facts on the food provide valuable information in a standardized format.

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 08:58:40 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 31, 2017, 08:44:49 pmDespite my misgivings regarding Prop 65's usefulness, I agree with this. I'd rather see it improved than scrapped.Edit: I think a good start would be to classify things into a couple/few categories, ranked by your actual risk of getting cancer. I know, that's not necessarily an easy thing to quantify, but there needs to be some way to distinguish the risk of getting cancer from arsenic, formaldehyde, and asbestos from the risk of getting cancer from something like a ubiquitous food additive that's only been shown to cause cancer in some very specific lab setting, and only in lab animals.

author: WastelandTek
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 08:59:21 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 31, 2017, 08:44:49 pmyou are one of the more literal individuals I have interacted with of late

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 09:03:45 pm
content: I strongly agree with @deflicted. It is a textbook example of information overload. When (practically) everything is labeled as "potentially carcinogenic" then the label has lost its effectiveness. It has turned into a joke. Do you really think many (any?) people stopped smoking because every pack of cigarettes had a warning label on them?

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 09:14:29 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on July 31, 2017, 09:03:45 pmNot sure about the US, but there is a strong drop in smoking population in Russia. But it is hard to attribute it to specifically new packaging markings, since a number of other measures were implemented at the same time (limits on advertising, placement is stores, higher prices, etc). I'm sure it did not hurt, especially stuff with pictures of smoker's lungs.Toning it down and making labels more specific will be better, obviously. At least now you know that if there is no label, there are none of of those chemicals in the product. Whether is makes a difference - hard to tell. I don't remember seeing this label on things I buy anyway, so it is not that common.

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 09:28:34 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 31, 2017, 09:14:29 pmThere has definitely been a very significant decrease in smoking rates in the US over the last several decades. I have no way of measuring just how much of that decrease is due to warning labels, but personally I think the effect of the warning labels is probably pretty small compared to just the general increase in public awareness of the association between smoking and cancer, heart disease, stroke, etc. And it's pretty obvious that reading warning labels is NOT the primary means by which Americans have become aware of these dangers. In fact, I would actually be surprised if there's a single person, ever, who first learned of the dangers of smoking by reading a warning label. Which means that, at best, the warning labels are just there to reinforce the message. That is, they're there to nag smokers and get them to think about the fact that they're jeopardizing their health every time they open up a pack of cigarettes. But again, how effective is that really? I'm not saying the answer is zero. But if you're trying to draw some correlation between warning labels and overall smoking rates, I think it's probablynearzero.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 09:39:07 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 31, 2017, 09:14:29 pmIn Brazil that was the biggest factor in reducing cigarette consumption. Government heavily taxed it and sales took a severe dive.Quote from: deflicted on July 31, 2017, 09:28:34 pmAnedoctal evidence from some smoker friends match your opinions. In addition, most of them felt more compelled to drop or simply nagged due to peer pressure from family/friends - in this case I can see that awareness campaigns and even the stamped photographs on the packs are a key influencer to peers.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 12:04:29 am
content: Send them all to meguys, I'll dispose of them in a responsible mannerand ensure they don't go into dumpsters, sewers, rivers, 3rd world landfills, stripped for parts and flogged on Ebay,nor shipped to outer space into the sunIf you're short on cash, I'll pay the shipping charges to get those cancerous meters to me, because that's the type of guy I amBut don't hesitate, DO IT RIGHT NOW before some growth appears on your bodyand... it's TOO LATE!

author: kcbrown
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 12:28:22 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 31, 2017, 08:44:49 pmWell, not quite the same way. The nutrition labels give you actual quantities to work from. The Prop 65 labels don't. That's why they're essentially worthless. Their over-inclusiveness eliminates the possibility of their usefulness in their current form, because there is no way to meaningfully distinguish the risks arising from an item that has the label versus an item that doesn't.

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 12:46:50 am
content: The Prop 65 labels in Cali are worse than worthless. They provide negative value since their overuse has or will prevent people from paying attention to things that do matter. They also add small costs to each item affected. The incremental cost is tiny, but the cumulative cost are actually enough for fabulous vacations for just about every member of this forum.Two terrible examples of this signage doing its negative job.1. Virtually every convenience store, grocery store and filling station has a sign like this at the entry. Zero value added because after reading this sign I don't know which of the thousands of products inside are the guilty parties. Is it the motor oil (small but real danger here, but who needs a sign), the peanut butter (really, really small danger and it doesn't mention the allergy risks which are much larger) or something even more innocuous. Because of this, I and virtually everyone else who encounters this sign and its brethren develops a tendency to ignore it since there is no useful information conveyed on what to avoid.2. I recently bought a pallet of Douglas fir lumber. Not treated, just dimensionally sized lumber. Each and every piece of wood in this pallet had a little paper Prop 65 warning stapled to the end. Hard to say whether the warning pertained to the potential for wood dust or the terpenes and other chemicals found naturally in all conifers. But I had to go through and pry the staples out of each one to avoid damage to my saws and to get rid of an unsightly piece of paper. Someone on the production end had to staple each one on. What a waste of time and resources.California could save a lot of time and effort and get equal value by putting signs at the state lines warning that this state contains chemicals known to cause cancer and eliminating all of the internal warnings.If they really wanted to get smart they would rewrite the law to require labeling only those things which cause a significant (say 10%) increase of cancer at normal levels of exposure. Forget trying to protect those people who drink 40 liters of artificially sweetened drinks a day.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 04:11:06 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 31, 2017, 06:41:10 pmProbably the plasticizers used in PVC, which is almost certainly what the rubber bumper is made of.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 04:19:14 am
content: I know its very subjective, has anyone feel that at Fluke's handhelds, the plastic are just feels different and "better", say compared to Keysight/Agilent's ?I mean starting from the yellow holster, the rubber feels nice even for years, and the grayish hard plastic for the case too, feels strong say compared to Keysight's.

author: ADT123
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 05:21:56 am
content: Even Mickey Mouse causes cancer in California

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 08:59:34 am
content: Don't eat anything there, bring your own rainwater,and don't bonk back at the hotel/motel,lest someone gets knocked up and pops out zombie twins(lose Disneyland and go to Queensland Australia next time, for a real holiday that isn't chemohazardous to your health and wallet)

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 09:10:23 am
content: I bought a pair of brake discs at a dealership spares dept in LA, and before I could pay & leave had to sign a release that the products I purchased were not intended for human consumption...??!Just slightly crazy.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 09:43:21 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on August 01, 2017, 04:19:14 amThe Fluke meters and their holsters do stink less, 'feel better' and last ages,even though the ridiculous penny pinching self tapping screw holes crack with ageand weaken the meter's ability to contain a goodBANG!Some of the Taiwan stuff isn't bad either

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 10:50:07 am
content: Proposition 65 needs either a serious overhaul or to be revoked. It is a joke and a complete waste of time and money.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 12:23:19 pm
content: Dumbest and most uninformative warning in history, well down California

author: Gary350z
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 12:39:21 pm
content: I live in California.Proposition 65 is ridiculous.Most everything has this warning.At lumber yards there are warning signs saying "sawdust causes cancer".Restaurants have this warning on the door.

author: MrW0lf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 01:59:52 pm
content: This looks almost like a psyop. If you want some real issue under the carpet - overplay it - hard! "Annoyed masses" will soon ridicule "lone madmen" pinpointing at original issue... This has been recently done on large scale on two other fundamental subjects, quite successfully...

author: WastelandTek
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2017, 02:24:58 pm
content: don't even get me started on what they have done to the portable petrol can

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 01:09:50 am
content: Quote from: WastelandTek on August 01, 2017, 02:24:58 pmLet me guess..sniffing or drinking gasolene from a portable petrol can, may cause cancer?LOL, Whatever 'game' these alarmist d!ckheads on good incomes bled from taxpayers are playing,the best defence is to hold on to your wallet till the farce blows overand wait for the next big one, maybe it will be a legit concern..

author: eugenenine
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 01:53:29 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on August 02, 2017, 01:09:50 amIts even better than that. It has a special spout which was so poorly designed it causes more spills.They ban lead ammo and sinkers because you don't want any lead going in the ground from fishing and hunting. I supposed they have mined all the ground to get rid of all the lead occurring naturally.

author: BMack
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 02:32:21 am
content: Coincidentally, California is a cancer on the US...not quite as bad as Washington DC but still cancer.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 02:40:49 am
content: Quote from: eugenenine on August 02, 2017, 01:53:29 amLOL, yeah I can see their concern at the rabble with no permits littering the ground with lead-Tar and Feathering- is overdue for a big comeback

author: RedSky
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 02:53:32 am
content: I think the lack of deviation in calibration is causing cancer not the materials.Symptoms of this variant of Cancer include:-Moths in pockets.-Overwhelming Smugness.-Evil thoughts (about all other meter manufacturers)

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 04:42:46 am
content: Quote from: BMack on August 02, 2017, 02:32:21 amLOL. Without California's contribution to the US economy , we'd have been in recession for most of the past few decades and even further in debt than we already are.

author: hikariuk
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 05:01:07 am
content: California would be in the top 10 world economies if was an independent country, iirc.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 05:21:58 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 01, 2017, 12:23:19 pmDave and I have been ignoring those warnings for decades and haven't suffered any brain dramage.

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 05:30:01 am
content: Quote from: mtdoc on August 02, 2017, 04:42:46 amYes yes, thanks to a handful of tech companies, primarily. California has long suffered from the largest outflow of both individuals and companies in the western US, both acting in what each deem their best interests.Stop posturing over geography, regardless over the accuracy or context of your claims of California's economy and the wondrous effects of overregulation, you had little to do with it.

author: jh15
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 05:36:19 am
content: don't parking garages in California have the cancer signs too? Heard that.My Tesla s did not come with paper manuals, never noticed that it came without stickers or manual to throw away in 27 languages about safety.Maybe I should "read the instructions".

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 05:49:13 am
content: Quote from: GlowingGhoul on August 02, 2017, 05:30:01 amIncorrect. California has an incredibly broad and diverse economy.See here.QuoteWrong again. For example,see hereorhereQuoteWTF? You seem to be poisoned by politics. I'm not sure why else you'd find the facts so unpleasant that they'd cause such a response.

author: jh15
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 06:05:51 am
content: I meant to mention the car was built in California, and did not come with annoying stickers about causing cancer in California. Maybe because it was being shipped here.Now I'm worried, I lived in California in my formative years, around 6. Am I susceptible to my cars fumes? will I become allergic to peanuts or something?Also, I thrice again bought a car made (mostly) in america. burned twice before and wife never with aissan made ones. 3k miles so far, (maybe 200 miles for me)Now I am paranoid about computer type cables burning my house down. Will use ohmmeter or maybe better my Ucuurent eevblog device to check out.

author: max-bit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 08:47:32 am
content: Life = CancerNOTE:WARNING ! Homosapiens!Further use of life can mean cancer.What's in the US?More money cash for medical diagnostics.Be afraid to get cancer, do medical research every day ... thousands of dollars !!!You will be healthyCorporations fool you as much as possible, just to earn as much as possible.

author: NottheDan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 09:51:05 am
content: So basically it is just another checkbox for companies to cover their collective arses from potential lawsuits.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 10:40:37 am
content: Does this mean waving a Fluke around to gain easy access to any job site and reap free tradie benefitsis now aCancer Alertat the security gates.. arrest and quarantine ?What's the world coming to ?

author: macboy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 01:23:50 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 31, 2017, 08:44:49 pmDon't compare relatively informative nutrition labels to prop 65 labels. If they were analogous, then the nutrition label would read simply "Warning: this product contains chemicals known to cause weight gain, increased cholesterol, increased blood pressure, or other health issues". And of course, the same exact label would be on every food item sold.

author: N2IXK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 02:08:58 pm
content: The entrances to beaches in CA have the Prop 65 warning signs, as well. Crystalline Silica (aka SAND) is on the potential carcinogen list....

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 02:53:52 pm
content: http://drsircus.com/general/the-air-we-breathe-causes-cancer/http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Californication

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 04:26:51 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on August 02, 2017, 04:42:46 amJust think how large California's economy would be, and how sound it's finances would be if time and energy weren't wasted on drivel like Prop 65. I suspect the waste is larger than the economies of our poorest states, certainly larger than the Indian reservations.

author: WastelandTek
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 05:40:40 pm
content: I wholeheartedly agree that the problem is the implementation not the intent. Prop 65 is not the only example.I was involved in a large construction project some years ago near Mojave CA. Some agency was requiring the use of these coco fiber erosion mats wherever the ground was disturbed. They had conga lines of 18 wheel trucks bringing in these mats sourced from god knows where to prevent erosion...in the middle of the Mojave desert...in the middle of summer.I am all about the environment. All I could think of was the amount of diesel that went into this absurdity. /:rant:

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 06:07:12 pm
content: Quote from: CatalinaWOW on August 02, 2017, 04:26:51 pmGovernment waste and bureaucratic overreach are ubiquitous- present in every state and country. Prop 65 is just one example of good intentions poorly implemented. This in no way contradicts the fact that California is an economic powerhouse and leader in many areas, including technology. Comments like the one by BMack and others, just reveal a political ideologue who can't stand the fact that a state whose political leanings they dislike is so successful.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 06:35:16 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on August 02, 2017, 06:07:12 pmmtdoc, don't waste your time... It is the same preconceived drivel that happens anytime Texas shows up in the news about anything.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 06:45:54 pm
content: Yes, California WAS an "economic powerhouse" for over 100 years. But they are becoming so anti-business that companies are bailing out left and right. And they are so deep in debt they are trying to tax anything and everything. The headline "California declares a tax on....." is just click-bait anymore. I'm glad I left 40 years ago, although my present state isn't much better. The tree-hugger, bicycle-riding "progressives" in this state are shocked that the (Democrat) governor has now declared a tax on bicycles.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 07:47:32 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on August 02, 2017, 06:45:54 pmPolitically motivated myth and factually incorrect - see links in prior post.Of course companies are always relocating from state to state or out of country, but net- net California has been creating more new jobs and growing it's economy faster than most of the US and faster than almost all other countries. That's why as of the end of 2016 it ranks just behind the worlds 5th largest economy Great Britian (up from 7th the year before).While almost all states are heavily in debt (as are most countries), California does not rank very highamong states based on debt/GDP ratioand in that regard is in much better shape than many "low regulation" states. That is why the bond market (the ultimate arbitrator of fiscal health) has rewarded California with very low borrowing costs compared to most states.BTW, I don't at all condone the current borrow and spend Ponzi scheme economy present throughout the US and globally, but it's just not factually correct to say that California is doing poorly economically - when overall it remains a US economic powerhouse and the facts show that it's contribution to the US economy has proportionately been increasing in recent years.

author: vinicius.jlantunes
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 09:07:36 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on July 31, 2017, 09:39:07 pmSorry to derail such a high level debate - but the warnings on cigarette packs reminds me of a funny story. In Brazil there was a variety of different pictures and messages. Among then was one of a smokers lung with the message "Smoking causes lung cancer", and also one of a sad looking man in bed with a woman with the message "Smoking causes erectile disfunction".Some smokers started to joke when buying their packs and ask the seller "give me the one that causes cancer, not the one that causes erectile disfunction"Goes to show how serious people took those warnings...

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 09:36:04 pm
content: Quote from: vinicius.jlantunes on August 02, 2017, 09:07:36 pmHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That is a great story!

author: BMack
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 11:56:25 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on August 02, 2017, 06:07:12 pmYou are entirely wrong in your assumptions on my political stances and I'd appreciate you to not make those assumptions or mentioning my name any further. Thank you.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 02, 2017, 11:58:33 pm
content: That meter has beenCali-fornicated

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2017, 03:29:18 am
content: Caution Alert:Users may be exposed to a double dose of cancer if removing theCalifornication Approval'CAL' sticker with fingernails,when it's time to change a fuse and check if the installed HRC fuses were real or fake.And while users are coughing and slowly wasting away from the onset ofmultimeter cancerthey may as well do some last minute pre-RIP curiosity checks of parts and manufacturing origin,post the observations with pictures on EEVblog as a lastfarewell to comradesgoodwill gesture,and see what happensIndustry Insider Tip:buy an older often used Fluke, from someone still alive and healthy

author: max-bit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2017, 05:03:17 am
content: One big scam! Made in USAListhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_65_list_of_chemicalsPlaese find Glyphosate ? (Rundup ... etc )Of course NO ! (monsanto $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$) more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlyphosateAnd Read :March 2015 the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer classified glyphosate as "probably carcinogenic in humans" (category 2A) based on epidemiological studies, animal studies, and in vitro studies.

author: Kryoclasm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2017, 03:40:02 am
content: Only if you eat the multimeter.Sad to say, in California, apparently this is a problem.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 08, 2017, 02:31:55 pm
content: Quote from: max-bit on August 03, 2017, 05:03:17 amKeep in mind that in most of the world Science is up for sale to the highest bidder, the United States is no exception.

author: Gary350z
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2017, 08:45:35 am
content: I just had to post this:I went to the eye doctor today to get my glasses fixed. While waiting, I looked around at the new glasses on display, there were many of them. Next to each display was a sign saying "Items in this display are know by the state of California to cause cancer, birth defects, and reproductive system harm." These signs were about 9" x 12", and I countedSEVENof these signs.

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2017, 10:22:40 pm
content: Quote from: Gary350z on August 19, 2017, 08:45:35 amI don't know if this is a direct quote or a paraphrase. If it is a direct quote it is an example of idiocy creep. Many earlier signs said something to the effect of: "Items in... contain chemicals known by the state of California ....". This statement, while inane, is quite possibly true. I can believe your statement is a direct quote, I think I have seen similar. But there is no chance whatsoever that California has run exposure tests on eyeglass frames and knows that they cause cancer, birth defects and reproductive system harm. . Someone with little concern or understanding put words on a sign and posted it.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2017, 04:48:35 pm
content: Likely the frames either have a VOC containing paint finish, or have brass or bronze parts, or the PVC in the nose pads has a BPA plasticiser in it, or the case plastic has a BPA conaining plastic in it, or the glass powder used as filler in ithe plastic is the reason. Also a lot of lens coatings are heavy metal oxides, along with them being present in the glass or plastic as a refractive index modifier.

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2017, 12:28:43 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on August 20, 2017, 04:48:35 pmAs I said, they contain materials which have been shown to be carcinogenic. I will stand by my statement that it is extremely unlikely that these products have been shown to be carcinogenic. I doubt that anyone has forced rats to live in physical contact with glasses frames and done statistical studies on their cancer rates. Probably no one has done a study of the relative cancer rates of eyeglass wearing populations to non-eyeglass wearing populations, correcting for other involved factors. A naive version of such a study would probably show that glasses prevent cancer since at a guess those who wear glasses get less sun exposure than those who do not, and skin cancers are one of the most common cancers. It is not just the materials involved, it is how people are exposed to those materials. I can take polonium, one of the most carcinogenic substances there is, encapsulate it in glass, encapsulate that in stainless steel and make a paperweight that has no measurable chance of causing cancer.The original sign would be consistent with your comment. The glasses contain materials known to cause cancer. The statement is inane because it doesn't provide any meaningful risk information. When the sign is changed to read as it does in the ophthalmologist's office to that the products are known to cause cancer the sign has gone from inane to outright wrong.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2017, 07:11:56 am
content: Might as well put a sign on both sides of your front door that says "Warning: You are entering an area where carcinogenic materials will be encountered." That applies to inside your house as well as the rest of the world. In other words, a completely useless "warning". But completely consistent with the distorted thought(?) processes that pass for government regulation here in the 21st century.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2017, 08:23:57 am
content: Just got back from the doctor after a suspect bout of the Fluke Flu,coughing, sneezing, stomach pains, headaches, vomiting, low libido, vertigo, no appetite, lethargyHe could not confirm whether it was Fluke based, a bad lifestyle, or both..and advised I use Brymens and Meggers for a few days, expose myself to some CRT radiation, avoid $20 multimeters like the plague, and the symptoms should clear up.i.e. NO CANCER !Next time I won't use two 87Vs side by side, and mash it up with different meters

author: CopperCone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 08:55:00 pm
content: I wonder if chemicals that appear in the body natural might be confined to certain regions. I..e maybe testosterone does not belong in certain places. Your body is not exactly homogenous.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 10:52:59 am
content: Quote from: CopperCone on August 22, 2017, 08:55:00 pmDon't be silly! Nothing is ever more complicated than it appears at first glance!

author: WhichEnt2
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 03:09:45 pm
content: Found this California-targeted cancer warning on the date sticker on ups battery.Looks like this Proposition 65 is circulating throughout the world.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 04:39:39 pm
content: We seem to have raised a couple of generations of idiots who need warning labels like: "Do not use toaster in bathtub."

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 04:41:50 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on August 28, 2017, 04:39:39 pmNah, the idiots were always there.The problem is a new generation of lawyers who see idiocy as a get-rich opportunity.

author: The Soulman
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 04:52:21 pm
content: When is the title going to be to changed to: "Fluke 87Vcancause cancer"?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 05:08:17 pm
content: Quote from: The Soulman on August 28, 2017, 04:52:21 pmIf the sample size was 'one' you'd be correct, but is isn't.In any statistically significant group of engineers a Fluke 87willcause cancer.

author: The Soulman
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 05:56:06 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2017, 05:08:17 pmStill a far fetch but ok."Will cause" is something different than "causes" tho.

author: ConKbot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2017, 11:05:59 pm
content: You probably shouldnt handle the manual either, as it's printed on paper and Caffeic acid is on the list.Quote

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 06:00:59 am
content: There are other risk issues with the Fluke 87V to beware of, before any slow onset of canceror VD, roids, scrotum rash etckicks inAccidental Self Strangulation with the leadsStabbing oneself with the probes and bleeding profuselyLung damage and nostril burn from yellow holster sniffingUpdate Edit:Foot injury from such a heavy meter drop, and or long term incapacitation from nerve and bone damageSterility in the event the meter falls and swings hard into one's private parts, whilst holding the probes tightly to save the 'expensive meter' from the awaiting concrete peril belowAny of the factors above may contribute to unemploymentand a bad day in the sackworst case the destitute owner resorts to crime, using the probes as weap0ns to threaten greedy evil rich people, the leads to tie up h0stages etc...or if the p0lice and Sw@t rock up, claim the meter is a b0mb and will go 0ff on the third BEEP if/when probes get shorted, once the device gets selected to the deadly [ ____ ] orDIE->ODEposition.(FYI to dummies: that's the only way you might have a slim hope to bail out of there, after requesting a helicoptor, bikini clad female pilot, bag of unmarked cash, tub of KFC and coke..)At least my 87Vs measure right every time, otherwise I would Ebay the suckersand drag out the AVOmeter, and safely prod away... wearing a full nuke suit and breathing gear