New 6 in 1 Scope From Tektronix - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 05, 2014, 08:47:42 pm
content: Well, looks like Tek aren't dead yet:http://info.tek.com/www_futureofscopes.htmlLooks like a high end model though, a variant on the existing MDO.Lets guess on features and price and try and find a datasheet before it's released in 19 days...P.S. No, I didn't know about this.

author: JoannaK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 08:57:46 pm
content: 6 instruments? Well. Obviously it's a combined Scope/Logic +Spectrum -analyzer.. Perhaps even multimeter and arbitrary waveform generator... What else?

author: armandas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 08:59:07 pm
content: Let's see:ScopeLogic analyserFunction genSpectrum analyserMultimeter?Power supply?

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:04:24 pm
content: They classify arb gen as a separate instrument maybe?

author: AG6QR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:04:36 pm
content: I was wondering about the 6 instruments, as well. The five listed by JoannaK are what I would have picked. The sixth? Maybe a data logger? That's kind of a logical extension of a multimeter/scope type instrument.A DC power supply is another bit of test gear that's on everybody's workbench, but it doesn't seem like a such a logical thing to cram into a scope.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:05:12 pm
content: Quote from: armandas on February 05, 2014, 08:59:07 pmIf it is it's going to suck not having the terminals on the front.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:08:07 pm
content: Quote from: AG6QR on February 05, 2014, 09:04:36 pmYep, I don't see that as being viable. At least not anything over say 10W or so.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:10:50 pm
content: I think one of the instrument is the input noise generator, what they already had on every other scope they made.

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:14:05 pm
content: LCR meter? using the 4 bnc's switched out from the scope inputs?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:14:40 pm
content: Gee, that was far too easy, first hit on google search!:http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3MuiHId2TYQJ:media.wix.com/ugd/d9e085_71c17aea7e5c4369b49097ad905b10f5.pdf+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=auIt's the MDO3000Protocol Analyser is the extra instrument.Quote

author: armandas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:19:58 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 05, 2014, 09:05:12 pmI was running out of options there. Wouldn't expect a PSU in a scope, really. A data logger or a component tester would probably make more sense.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:23:22 pm
content: A PDF copy of that page

author: MrAureliusR
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timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:23:54 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 05, 2014, 09:23:22 pmLOL small minds think alike.EDIT: Removed my copy, Dave's was better anyway

author: cidcorp
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:38:20 pm
content: I appreciate the whole 'customer's expect equipment to be field upgradeable', but this just means that they're going to charge more for the base unit?If someone grabs one of these units in the low end ie 100Mhz 4 Channel and someone eventually hacks the licensing...well then this device definitely becomesworth the price. Unless the large bandwidth upgrades are factory done (replacing the front end).These scopes are typically, with both Tek and Agilent, outside my sanity price range. But look forward to see the review Dave - think they'll forget about thelast bashing? Hopefully one comes your way.Chris

author: ChrisGammell
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timestamp: February 05, 2014, 09:55:04 pm
content: What was the magical search term you put into the googlefinderthing?

author: JoannaK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 10:24:02 pm
content: IMHO it looks like they try to bait/switch .. This thing is told to be 6-in-1 but you get only like 3 and half unless you pay a $$$ premiums of all those upgrades. The upgrades to open up fully functional unit (vasic protocol analyzers, Logic, ARB, spectrum-BW ) make easily much more than double the basic 100Mhz/2channel variant of the Tek MDO3000.And that's even before the Scope bandwidth options.. From 100MHz upto 500Mhz BW it's pure software upgrade, though the price is not mentioned.

author: cidcorp
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 10:30:37 pm
content: Well definitely searching on the code name and Tektronix confidential.Searched: Laguna Tektronix Confidential, got me the first hit but the PDF has been removed so you have to use the cached version.But without the name I'm not sure how Dave found it. 6 in 1 MDO?Chris

author: pmcouto
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timestamp: February 05, 2014, 10:55:04 pm
content: OK people,Let’s talk seriously:How will we hack this new scope?

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 05, 2014, 11:57:08 pm
content: Quote from: ChrisGammell on February 05, 2014, 09:55:04 pmIt was easy. It looked like an MDO, smelled like an MDO, and you can can count on big companies to stick with their product line numbering schemes, so I simply guessed and typed in "Tektronix MDO3000", and bingo, there is the media kit on the very first link.

author: jadew
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timestamp: February 05, 2014, 11:58:12 pm
content: Quote from: JoannaK on February 05, 2014, 10:24:02 pmIt's really not, it's just a very expensive piece of equipment, with 1Ghz bandwidth and lots of other goodies. However they're also offering a stripped down version, if you can't buy the full, original design.So no, in this case it's not bait/switch because they didn't say it has lots of stuff and costs scrap, they just said it has lots of stuff.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:02:26 am
content: The other big thing to come out of this is their realisation the MDO was far too expensive. They mention the existing MDO400 is being lowered to the price point of the existing MSO4000.Of course, the MDO is great technology, but two things will make or break it in the regular marketa) price pointb) speed (which was an issue with the MDO4000 everyone complained about except Tektronix of course)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:04:39 am
content: and the old MSO/DPO3000 models are gone come release date, only the MDO will be available.You get the DVM for free!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:06:25 am
content: it's interesting to note that the spectrum analyzer bandwidth is limited to whatever bandwidth scope you buy.So buy the 100MHz scope and you only get 100MHz spectrum analyser. That's a marketing FAIL.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:08:57 am
content: QuoteUmm, what's the point of having an MDO then?This is opposite to the MDO4000

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:19:25 am
content: Prices:MDO3104 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope; (4) 1GHz analog channels, (1) 1GHz RF channel, 10M record length, 6% $15,000MDO3102 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope; (2) 1GHz analog channels, (1) 1GHz RF channel, 10M record length 2% $12,100MDO3054 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope; (4) 500MHz analog channels, (1) 500MHz RF channel, 10M record length 18% $11,300MDO3052 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope; (2) 500MHz analog channels, (1) 500MHz RF channel, 3% $9,420MDO3034 10M record length 24% $8,940MDO3032 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope; (2) 350MHz analog channels, (1) 350MHz RF channel, 10M record length 7% $7,430MDO3024 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope; (4) 200MHz analog channels, (1) 200MHz RF channel, 10M record length 6% $4,790MDO3022 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope; (2) 200MHz analog channels, (1) 200MHz RF channel, 10M record length 3% $4,300MDO3014 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope; (4) 100MHz analog channels, (1) 100MHz RF channel, 10M record length 24% $4,300MDO3012 Mixed Domain Oscilloscope; (2) 100MHz analog channels, (1) 100MHz RF channel, 10M record length 7% $3,610Who's going to pay $3600 for a 100MHz scope with a next-to-useless 100MHz spectrum analyser?Only if you though you upgrade at a later point.MDO3AERO MIL-STD-1553 serial bus triggering and analysis module for the MDO3000 $1,180 YesMDO3AUDIO Audio serial triggering and analysis module for the MDO3000 $1,180 YesMDO3AUTO Automotive serial triggering and analysis module for the MDO3000 (CAN, LIN) $1,180 YesMDO3COMP Computer serial triggering and analysis module for the MDO3000 (RS-232/422/485/UART bus support) $1,180 YesMDO3EMBD Embedded serial triggering and analysis module for the MDO3000 (I2C, SPI) $1,180 YesMDO3FLEX FlexRay serial triggering and analysis module for the MDO3000 $1,180 YesMDO3USB USB2.0 (LS, FS) serial bus triggering and analysis and (HS – 1GHz models only) analysis module for the MDO3000 $1,180 YesAnalysis MDO3LMT Limit/mask test for MDO3000 $808 YesMDO3PWR Power measurement package for the MDO3000 $1,510 YesMDO3AFG Adds arbitrary function generator to a any MDO3000 $808 YesMDO3MSO Adds 16 digital channels to a MDO3000; includes P6316 digital probe and accessories $1,620 YesMDO3SA Increases input range of spectrum analyzer to 9kHz - 3 GHz $2,690 Yes

author: jadew
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:21:15 am
content: Only a 3.5 digit meter with 5 digits frequency measurements

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:21:37 am
content: The 1GHz is physically different to the 100-500MHz models.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:33:31 am
content: Quote from: DiligentMinds.com on February 06, 2014, 12:25:57 amSeems that way. I just don't get it.It seems as though they are protecting their MDO4000 line's marketability at the higher end."Oh, you need to acquire both at once?, we have another model for that Sir..."Either that, or they somehow found a way to cut manufacturing costs by having them separate, but I find that rather unlikely.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:39:08 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 06, 2014, 12:33:31 amYeah, it's called the DS2702A+DSA815-TG. Captures in both time & frequency domain simultaneously AND has double the screen real estate as competing models.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:58:28 am
content: Quote from: mrflibble on February 06, 2014, 12:39:08 amThe DSA815-TG goes to 1.5GHz AND has a tracking gen.So the 100MHz DS2102A-S scope with 2 channel source is $1500 + another $1500 for the DSA815-TG, that's $3K total.That doesn't even buy you the cheapest 100MHz model MDO3000 with 100MHz spec analyser. Want the 3GHz option with your 100MHz scope?, that's $6300 compared to $3K for the Rigol option.Not even in the same ballpark.Heck, even the Rigol 3GHz DSA1030 with DS2102-S is only $5500 total. Still almost 1K less than the Tek option.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 01:00:36 am
content: Quote from: DiligentMinds.com on February 06, 2014, 12:46:47 am250K wfm/s is no slouch though.Once again with Tek, clearly the only reason you'd buy this is if you had fairly niche requirements. Otherwise better value is to be had with a separate spectrum analyser.

author: taemun
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 01:22:12 am
content: Interesting! I wonder how responsive the UI is. If I had to guess, I think it'll be cut-down MDO4000 hardware all around, so probably just as mediocre.3.9pF passive probes seems a lot lower than Agilent's offering with the MSOX3000 series. The entire spec sheet reads like MSOX3000 +1 (over than the wfm/s).They support software key bandwidth upgrades, but I'm not sure what to make of this:QuoteAre they actually saying that if I go from a 100MHz unit to 200MHz (MDO3BW1T24), then want to go to 500MHz, I need to buy the 100 -> 500 upgrade (MDO3BW1T54)? That seems insane.As mentioned before, what's the point in having aMixedDomain Oscilloscope, if you can't do both simultaneously!?

author: hpux735
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 03:11:12 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 06, 2014, 12:58:28 amTo be fair to Tek, the simultaneous thing is more than just simultaneous measurements, it's simultaneous and correlated. Here's a jaw-dropping (in my opinion) demonstration:Keep in mind that this guy is an applications engineer for Tek.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 03:21:28 am
content: Quote from: hpux735 on February 06, 2014, 03:11:12 amFor sure.I've always said the MDO4000 is very impressive in this respect, the only thing on the market really.But this doesn't look to be the same case for the MDO3000 series.

author: GiskardReventlov
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 04:46:02 am
content: Not to rain on anyone's parade but as far as N-in-1 devices go I've never liked them. But maybe it doesn't matter if one of the six doesn't work?? Or more importantly maybe it's just not a factor on these devices. As for the technical side of this does it substantially simplify the workflow to have a multifunction device like this or is it part marketing and part "we do it because we can"?

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 05:08:15 am
content: I think i am going to beat the Christmas rush and not really care for it now. Once again Tektronix puts all the effort into the bells and whistles nobody will use but managers like ticking off the boxes for and not just making the best scope they can with the longest life. Yeah, we still buy them, but we no longer get them optioned up. Heck, I am starting to like my cheap arse Siglent more and next time may see if one of their higher range models waves my flag.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 08:57:03 am
content: Quote from: GiskardReventlov on February 06, 2014, 04:46:02 amThey are good, if the manufacturer adds some intelligence to it. Like if you already have a scope and a siggen in one package, let's make it do one button Bode plot. If you have a programmable DC power supply and a multimeter it has to do DC transfer characteristic. Usually theese require a computer and programming, if it has it built in, that is great.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 09:04:58 am
content: Just saw this thread, and while reading it was thinking Protocol Analyzer, TDR and optical fiber head.But on reading that doc, it seems they are just talking about a plain serial protocol analyzer? Not TCP/IP, with an RJ45 port?That's a pityAh well. It will be vastly out of my financial reach anyway.

author: JoannaK
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 11:10:31 am
content: This pricing is obviously for those 'purchase.budget' corporations, where a 'small' purchase (like <5000usd) can be made with minimal fuss, but the bigger ones are next to impossible to push trough corporation bureaucracy.First 5k .. 4 channel 100Mhz scope.+ 5K bandwidth upgrade (500Mhz?)+ 5k Spectrum and logic -analyzers + ARB+ 5K Some protocols (like RS232, Can, USB, I2C) ..+ 5k Even more protocols + pass/fail test.

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 03:28:58 pm
content: If I win the giveaway I will keep it

author: JoannaK
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 05:33:01 pm
content: Quote from: robrenz on February 06, 2014, 03:28:58 pm+1

author: Frost
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 05:57:41 pm
content: Quote from: hpux735 on February 06, 2014, 03:11:12 amHere is another great demonstration from Alan, whats possiblewith the mixed domain function at the MDO4000 series.That would be my use case, if i could afford this thing

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 06:02:41 pm
content: Quote from: robrenz on February 06, 2014, 03:28:58 pmI entered as well. But hey, free Tektronix T-shirt!

author: electronics man
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 06:10:30 pm
content: Quote from: robrenz on February 06, 2014, 03:28:58 pmso will i

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 07:37:03 pm
content: Quote from: robrenz on February 06, 2014, 03:28:58 pmIf I do win this I am sure I will start receiving bomb threats after winning (earning) the Keithley 2450

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 11:00:55 pm
content: I'll be getting one of these before the release date

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 11:01:59 pm
content: Quote from: Frost on February 06, 2014, 05:57:41 pmMy fear with the 3000 is that that can't do all the cool stuff the 4000 can.

author: dr.diesel
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 11:21:25 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 06, 2014, 11:00:55 pmDo I need to remind you of your motto?

author: Frost
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timestamp: February 06, 2014, 11:50:17 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 06, 2014, 11:01:59 pmWithout the MDO3SA option, for additional $2,690(increases input range of spectrum analyzer to 9kHz - 3 GHz), that's for sure.So maybe they only removed some of the high end functions.The question is, are the two domains correlated and linkedtogether within the sample memory? If not, it's useless.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 07, 2014, 12:30:03 am
content: Quote from: Frost on February 06, 2014, 11:50:17 pmSee previous post, it appears that the 3000 differs in this respect, it seems both time and frequency domains can't be captured at the same time. Remains to be seen what the actual limitation is.

author: Frost
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2014, 12:56:03 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 07, 2014, 12:30:03 amOk, if it's only two devices in one case, than it's "useless"and the MDO acronym is misleading

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 07, 2014, 01:01:22 am
content: Quote from: Frost on February 07, 2014, 12:56:03 amIt'll have some sort of cross-functionality, surely?

author: taemun
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timestamp: February 07, 2014, 01:50:17 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 07, 2014, 01:01:22 amIf you listen carefully, you can hear a thousand firmware typewriters tapping away.

author: JoannaK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2014, 12:02:40 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 07, 2014, 01:01:22 amWell. at least it saves desk space to have those instruments on the same box.

author: Omicron
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2014, 12:22:16 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 07, 2014, 12:30:03 amIt kinda makes sense though. In the MDO4000 they use half the ADC throughput for the RF path. The original 4000 range had 4 times 5 Gsa/sec or 20 Gsa/sec total. Half of that total capability went to the RF part in the MDO4000 so it can still capture the analog channels at 2.5Gsa/sec each. The 3000 range seems to top out at 4 times 2.5Gsa/sec, so there's only a total of 10Gsa/sec to play with. If they use the same RF implementation as the 4000 they need all of that for the spectrum analyser alone.Also to use both at the same time you really need a big screen. Even on the 4000 the display can become crowded real quick with both time and frequency domain traces. I'd hate to have to implement that on the much smaller screen of the 3000. Especially since it's a landscape form factor and you really need the screen height.

author: Hydrawerk
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timestamp: February 11, 2014, 01:19:43 am
content: Will there be pushable rotary knobs?

author: echen1024
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timestamp: February 11, 2014, 02:51:01 am
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on February 11, 2014, 01:19:43 amI'm guessing no.

author: w2aew
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timestamp: February 11, 2014, 03:33:07 am
content: Quote from: echen1024 on February 11, 2014, 02:51:01 amHmmmmm... Oh wait, I can't say anything about it yet...

author: marshallh
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timestamp: February 11, 2014, 03:50:21 am
content: I don't think Tek would make that sort of amateur mistake.

author: echen1024
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timestamp: February 11, 2014, 04:08:29 am
content: Quote from: marshallh on February 11, 2014, 03:50:21 amYou'd be surprised.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 18, 2014, 06:58:31 am
content: Update: I have been promised a unit before the release date, but it's the 18th today and haven't heard anything, so it's getting more unlikely now that I'll have a video by the release date...

author: sportq
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2014, 12:49:39 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 18, 2014, 06:58:31 amDave,While you're waiting for the Tek, why not dig out the Digilent Analog Discovery you got in the mailbag last year. I bought one after seeing it on your mailbag and then looking up what it did.It's also a 6-in-1 device, though limited to <10Mhz : oscilloscope,spectrum analyser,ARB,Logic Analyser,Pattern Generator,PSU (very weak I know!) and voltmeter.Pete

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2014, 05:42:33 pm
content: Coming in less than two days!!http://info.tek.com/www_futureofscopes.html

author: Noise Floor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2014, 05:59:17 pm
content: The aggregation of instruments into one box makes sense when the functionality across instruments is sufficient for an application. I'm eager to see what the specs on this thing really are and what applications it can cover.

author: Frost
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 01:39:38 pm
content: Did the future not happen today

author: leppie
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timestamp: February 25, 2014, 02:02:09 pm
content: Quote from: Frost on February 25, 2014, 01:39:38 pmRound 17:00 UTC today I think.

author: moemoe
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 02:08:17 pm
content: Seems like review in the near future got canceled:Quotehttps://twitter.com/eevblog/status/438184716156420096

author: w2aew
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 03:25:19 pm
content: http://info.tek.com/www_mdo3000oscilloscope-oneisthenewsix.html

author: Noise Floor
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timestamp: February 25, 2014, 04:46:41 pm
content: I'm intrigued. Any reviews out there yet?

author: grego
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 05:36:14 pm
content: Not yet but the base price has me unimpressed. "Starting at $3350" means a 2 channel 100Mhz scope - with the SA locked at 100Mhz. And from what we have sen you can't have the SA and scope correlated like on the 4000 series.Great strides in memory depth (10M), wfm/s (280k+ per data sheet) and such but it makes me sad that Tek doesn't appear to want to go after the "prosumer" market at all.This is just a first glance gut reaction, I'm sure my opinion will change as we get more details and see the scope in use.

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 06:09:57 pm
content: Prosumers/hobbyists just go to eBay or Rigol for their gear, it seems. That's certainly where I go, have gone, and will continue to go when I need new stuff.Not once in my short life as a hobbyist EE have I considered buying new from Agilent or Tek. Seeing what things go for used on eBay is proof enough that I can't afford anything new from those two manufacturers.

author: electronics man
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timestamp: February 25, 2014, 06:21:12 pm
content: Quote from: grego on February 25, 2014, 05:36:14 pmI would expect greater memory depth than my rigol ds1074z has has a memory depth of 24M, have they not seen what rigol are doing.

author: cybermaus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 06:31:31 pm
content: I am noticing 2 problems:1) they still did not contact me to tell me I won the scope.2) the counter seems to behaving weird: its at 11 days, 22 hours83minutes and counting. It's counting down about 1 minute every 5 seconds.

author: echen1024
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timestamp: February 25, 2014, 06:46:36 pm
content: Quote from: cybermaus on February 25, 2014, 06:31:31 pmI'm still waiting for my shirt.

author: cybermaus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 06:50:18 pm
content: Now its at 11 days25hours and some minutes.Clearly they did not debug it to display anything with less then 1 day properly. Its probably underflowing its display.

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 06:53:12 pm
content: Now its at 13 days FIFTY THREE hours

author: cybermaus
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timestamp: February 25, 2014, 06:54:19 pm
content: Not very promising for the quality of the scope digital domain. Imaging those coders also programming the i2c decoding......

author: iRad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 07:20:07 pm
content: Seems like you can go from base of 100 MHz up to 500MHz with just a software key. Everything but the DVM is EXTRA CHARGE!!!

author: iRad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 07:34:45 pm
content: Base 100MHz ANALOG ONLY 4 Channel scope is $3990.00 US.Does that open the possibility to some day see a fully hacked 500 MHz 6-n-1 "TRUE MDO" 3000 at $3990...

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 08:47:41 pm
content: Quote from: iRad on February 25, 2014, 07:34:45 pmProbably not. Tek personnel are active on this forum, so it is unlikely that the product designers within Tek are oblivious to what is going on with Rigol products. Tek are not going to knowingly release something insecure.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 09:00:48 pm
content: What the hell is that?? :-) :-) :-):-)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 09:19:38 pm
content: My MDO3000 is sitting in DHL customs here in Sydney. I warned Tek that would happen, but it seems they declared the value over $1K anyway and it got stuck as I said it would.I've paid the fee to release it, but no word yet on when it's coming...

author: Omicron
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 09:25:14 pm
content: Quote from: Rigby on February 25, 2014, 08:47:41 pmOn the other hand their application modules (the little plastic dongles) are trivial to reproduce. They're just an i2c eeprom that contains the product code of the particular application in plain old ASCII. No encryption or anything. If you look around a bit on the web you'll find instructions on how to build them yourself for a penny. Works on any current TEK scope for any option. That's probably the reason why they switched to software license codes for some of the features, like the bandwidth upgrades. Would be too easy otherwise...

author: GiskardReventlov
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2014, 10:16:21 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 25, 2014, 09:19:38 pmMaybe they are fans? Don't turn it on, take it apart!

author: w2aew
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 12:01:08 am
content: Quote from: iRad on February 25, 2014, 07:34:45 pmThe only option that requires a trip to a Tek service center is to upgrade the analog BW to 1GHz (there is a hardware swap that happens for this).

author: babysitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 08:28:56 am
content: I went to the demonstration of the 3k product at the embedded world. I went there only for a short time, intentionally without having a look at the specs first. So it is only impression:The form factor is great, consider that my workplace is 60 sqare meters with 5 employees (including toilet, storage, production, labs and offices) it is a real spacesaverUseability and impression from the enclosure quality: Nothting is below nor above the tresholds which would get a "remarkably" bad or good comment from me. Simply well done.It actually is a cripplebox, most upgrading is done by s/w. I can smell riglol alreadyFirmware upgrade will not have 2 additional channels appearing out of nothing and the 1 GHz upgrade is afaik a factory upgrade.Scope and LA work as you would expect from a device released in 2014.The SA, which is cut off at the scope bandwith, looks like a low dynamic range device only for basic work.Maybe it was due to the fast sweep but the noise floor doesn't seem to be too far away from the noisefloor.LA and Scope work fine together, but the Rep didn't get to show anything together with the SA, neither a scope nor a LA window.I fear that if you want to see anything correlated with the SA part, you need to go to the 4K series.AFG port is on the backside, however I have not yet spotted the input connectors of the DVM.

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 08:30:19 am
content: While I like the idea - the execution is not so tempting - especially when price is taking into account.And the price of the options are ... well - I think meant for Government consumptionIrrespectively of Agilent's new pricing on options.But if a creative use/modification of the built in software leaked - I would consider it. But I would still not rush to buy.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 09:02:52 am
content: Quote from: babysitter on February 26, 2014, 08:28:56 amYes, I have been told that is the case. The 300 series does not allow correlation between the time and frequency domains like the 4000 does so very well.It's effectively just a SA tacked into the same box.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 10:52:37 am
content: http://info.tek.com/www_futureofscopes.htmlThe countdown clock is still retarded..

author: cybermaus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 10:56:14 am
content: Yeah, its not dealing well with leading zero's. So yesterday everything was shifted one digit to the left, today two digits.Also I suspect it is counting negative on the server. When you open the page, it counts down from the servers absolute value, but the server continues to count down negatively, so the absolute value rises every time you refrash the page.All messed up.Quote from: EEVblog on February 26, 2014, 09:02:52 amSo not so much their famous mixed domain, but just a mixed signal with a unrelated LA?Good, now I won't feel so guilty for winning it

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 11:00:34 am
content: Quote from: babysitter on February 26, 2014, 08:28:56 amI think that there are no separate connectors for the DVM. The DVM probably works with the input BNCs like at Agilent DSOX scopes...BTW I like the pushable rotary knobs.

author: nowlan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 12:26:33 pm
content: Spectrum AnalyzerFrequency rangeStandard: 9 kHz - oscilloscope bandwidthOptional: 9 kHz - 3 GHzUltra-wide capture bandwidth up to 3 GHzI am wondering how up to osc.bw is different from standard fft functions offered by scopes.I was expecting to see/hear tx/rx frequency of my device in a spectrum analyser.Perhaps i dont understand.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 12:58:46 pm
content: Quote from: nowlan on February 26, 2014, 12:26:33 pmIt has better performance than the 8 bit scope ADC can offer.QuoteYou can, you just need to pay another $3K or so to unlock the 3GHz bandwidth.

author: TorqueRanger
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 01:02:26 pm
content: Personal I would like to see someone from here win and post up a review ..

author: w2aew
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 01:25:28 pm
content: One of the cool features I like is the ability to take a waveform captured on one of the scope channels, and copy it into the AFG arbitrary waveform memory and play it back. You can modify it, or add noise, for doing margin testing, etc.

author: Noise Floor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 01:45:19 pm
content: Quote from: w2aew on February 26, 2014, 01:25:28 pmThis is extremely useful to me if done well. I was playing around with a similar capability in some free software but it does not allow editing or noise injection. Have you used the functionality on the MDO3000 or you just reading about it? I would like to understand how easy it is perform the capture, editing and playback, if anyone has used it.

author: babysitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 01:47:23 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on February 26, 2014, 11:00:34 amDVM with grounded-referenced input is exactly what no one wantsWhy dont jsut stick a read-out next to the trace when there is DC ?

author: jadew
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 02:53:15 pm
content: I didn't get any e-mail yet letting me know that the scope is out. Where can I see it? what happened on the 25th?Edit: And most importantly, did I win?Edit2:http://info.tek.com/www_mdo3000oscilloscope-oneisthenewsix.html

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 04:36:11 pm
content: Is Tektronix ever going to made a competitor to Agilent DSOX2000? There should be a successor to that DPO2000 introduced in 2008.BTW I do not like the way they implemented the DVM in the UI od MDO3000.http://info.tek.com/www_mdo3000oscilloscope-oneisthenewsix.html#DIGITALVOLTMETERIt occupies too much space on screen.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 04:38:29 pm
content: Did Cybernaus win the MDO3k?

author: cybermaus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 04:40:36 pm
content: Hmm, maybe you are double-fooling me, but just to make sure: no that was a joke.

author: Frost
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 04:44:38 pm
content: Quote from: jadew on February 26, 2014, 02:53:15 pmYou will have to wait until April 29, I think.

author: MarkL
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 05:43:20 pm
content: Quote from: Noise Floor on February 26, 2014, 01:45:19 pmThe Agilent 3000X and 4000X has had capture/edit/add noise for a while now, but only 8k pts. The MDO3000 has 128k pts and higher freq.Definitely a game of "one-up-manship" on this feature and many of the others.It will interesting to see if Tek has improved their protocol decode performance.

author: w2aew
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 07:10:54 pm
content: Quote from: Noise Floor on February 26, 2014, 01:45:19 pmI did have a chance to play with this feature. Capturing the waveform and transferring to to the ARB memory is simple. Adding noise is easy. Editing is a little tedious on the instrument, but the free ARBexpress software makes it easier.

author: w2aew
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 07:11:44 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on February 26, 2014, 04:36:11 pmYou have the option to shrink it down to the "normal" measurement character size.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 07:51:17 pm
content: QuoteWell, I do not want to upbraid much, there is no competitor to MDO3000 today. Nobody but Tektronix makes mixed domain scopes today, AFAIK. But I prefer the DVM at Agilent DSOX series... At MDO3000 it is too big or too small.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 09:45:08 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on February 26, 2014, 04:36:11 pmAll they have to do is remove the spectrum analyser. Without that they might be able to compete on price.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2014, 11:49:19 pm
content: https://twitter.com/eevblog/status/438820295713894400/photo/1I am looking forward to a review.

author: KD0RC
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2014, 01:29:06 am
content: So the big question - Who won the MDO 3000 giveaway? Sadly - no email to me saying that I won it...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 27, 2014, 01:32:59 am
content: Quote from: KD0RC on February 27, 2014, 01:29:06 amWould be funny if I won it :->

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2014, 01:33:45 am
content: What's the DVM feature got over, say, the normal measurement system -- that is, ignoring the silly font -- am I missing something?

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2014, 01:35:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 27, 2014, 01:32:59 amIndividuals on watch lists are not eligible to win nice things. Sorry.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 27, 2014, 01:45:21 am
content: Quote from: tom66 on February 27, 2014, 01:33:45 amOn a first quick test it doesn't appear to be a true hardware DVM, as the updating seems to stop and slow with the acquisition.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2014, 03:32:01 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 27, 2014, 01:45:21 amHow does it feel? What are some first impressions?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 27, 2014, 04:07:01 am
content: Quote from: echen1024 on February 27, 2014, 03:32:01 amIt's pretty good. Not slow. Controls are a bit cramped, and a few UI hoops I don't prefer, but the performance seems fine so far. I expect it to be a fine scope, as you'd expect from a Tek.I think in the end the only thing it will come down to is is it good value for money. If you are just after a scope, then of course it's likely a big no, the SA just adds so much base cost that they just can't compete in that area. But if you value the SA built in, and can afford it (or are spending someone else's money) it's a fine scope.

author: w2aew
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2014, 04:54:40 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 27, 2014, 01:45:21 amIt actually is a true hardware DVM, but I believe the results are tied to the acquisitions.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2014, 02:34:02 pm
content: That crippled countdown timer is still running.http://info.tek.com/www_futureofscopes.html

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2014, 02:49:10 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on February 28, 2014, 02:34:02 pmThat's what I love about you, Tektronix. Your attention to detail.http://076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com/images/files/000/585/372/original/original.jpgattention to detail says a lot about whomever put this page up and left it up. I suspect that this has been outsourced and that Tek asked for the page to be removed, but that the web company just removed all links to this page and didn't remove the page itself. That's a best-case scenario. Might be that Tek's entire web team is on vacation during a major product launch.Actually, that this page is still up is just unreal, no matter what the reason.

author: cybermaus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2014, 02:56:51 pm
content: Well, with the server clearly not processing negative time correctly, maybe it now also accidentally gives every registrant automatically a free t-shirt. Lets massively re-register and see what happens.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2014, 03:22:31 pm
content: Quote from: cybermaus on February 28, 2014, 02:56:51 pmOr free oscilloscopes!

author: cybermaus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2014, 03:59:11 pm
content: Hmm. I can imagine the marketing department temp / intern just stuffing t-shirts in an envelope because 'puter says so.But I suspect the shipping of hordes of scopes may be noticed by management.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2014, 04:32:12 pm
content: Quote from: cybermaus on February 28, 2014, 03:59:11 pmProbably. But thisisDanaher, so anything can happen. Then they'll force us to return the scopes, and no one will do so.

author: Noise Floor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2014, 01:57:55 pm
content: Quote from: MarkL on February 26, 2014, 05:43:20 pmYeah, I'm familiar with those units, but I don't own any. I have the slightest hope I would win the Tek.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2014, 04:42:39 pm
content: Now let us compare MSO3000 and MDO3000. Well, If you are used to MSO3000, then you will easily switch to MDO3000.

author: w2aew
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2014, 05:16:44 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on March 02, 2014, 04:42:39 pmYes, that's true. The spectrum analyzer input takes the spot of the Aux input. The Run and Trigger controls get shifted up and over to make room for the spectrum analyzer controls and numeric keypad. Bonus is that the numeric keypad can be used for any function that requires numeric input, not just the spectrum analyzer functions.

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2014, 05:28:45 pm
content: I will admit, I really want one of these scopes.I work for a big company. We use scopes. Perhaps I could have one as a gift to me personally in exchange for nothing at all because of our gift policy? Also, I can't mention the actual company name.

author: CarlG
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2014, 08:39:47 pm
content: Checked some details interesting at least for me:MDO3000 SPI decode is specified to 50 Mbit/s which is better than Agilent MSO-X series (25 Mbit/s).MDO3000 is also spec'd higher for I2C (10 Mbit/s) compared to MSO-X (3.4 Mbit/s).UART/RS-232: 10 Mbit/s for MDO3000; 8 Mbit/s for MSO-X.I2S: 12.5 Mbit/s for MDO3000; 625 kbit/s for MSO-X. [but I don't trust the MSO-X spec; I've decoded 6.144 Mbit/s and higher on a MSO-X3054A as well on a MSO7104B.]Max SPI word size is 32 for MDO300 compared to 64 for MSO-X.A question:Can MDO3000 decode two serial buses simultaneously? Can't find anything mentioned about that.

author: w2aew
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2014, 09:39:35 pm
content: Quote from: CarlG on March 02, 2014, 08:39:47 pmRegarding your I2S buss decode, this might be the difference between a post-capture decode, or a live on-the-fly decode or trigger. The latter requires a lot more horsepower.Yes, the MDO3000 can decide two different busses simultaneously. The MSO/MDO4000 can decode four different busses simultaneously.

author: kilohercas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2014, 08:00:10 am
content: can some one confirm that after first boot, user will get 30 days trial period for all options ?since i am getting MDO3000 and i need AFG and Protocol analyzer, i need to hack it.In every video about MDO4000, MSO2000, MDO3000 RTC have backup battery with small amount of backup SRAM, and it is the samemodel. I think they use that, or just raw time to enable this trial period.So my idea before first boot, connect STM32F429i, and read all registers. After that connect SPI bus analyzer, so i know what scope is doing to RTC, maybe it's deleting backup sram, or just read some data, i need to know what exactly. and when half of trial period is passed, rewrite RTC with old data, and see what will happen.Changing time to first boot date will not give any effect, and disabling CS of RTC SPI interface locked MSO2000 to boot screen.Any more ideas ?

author: xenxen
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 31, 2014, 08:45:09 am
content: Yep, there is a 30 day trail after powering up the first time. But the AFG is not includet.

author: georgd
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2014, 09:47:00 am
content: Did you know about this tread?http://forum.tsebi.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=113There is the detailed description of Tek scopes option module.Georg

author: kilohercas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2014, 09:59:03 am
content: Quote from: georgd on May 31, 2014, 09:47:00 amYes, i write code for STM32F4 to reprogram any application module to any function and i ordered pcb from OSH park. I know that is working, but i don't know will it work with options upgrade.Good thing about trial period is that all functions are enabled, not just 2 from 9 available

author: kilohercas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2014, 04:01:47 pm
content: Update:Since i have MSO2024B, i simply write program for STM32F429 to read all RTC registers (from 0 to 31 ) and what do you know, all are empty except 0x12 for analog calibration. So why does MSO2024B need separate RTC chip, if by the looks of it, time will be tracked by main freescale processor ?So my next step is before first MD3000 boot, read all RTC registers, when boot it for the first time with other scope triggering on SPI bus, to see what MDO3000 is doing with RTC. And maybe i will figure-out how to refresh trial period , well that is the plan.And program for reading registers is correct, since trying to write first register, and read it again after power up cycle give correct answer.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2014, 05:35:40 pm
content: Perhaps a case of initially being spec'd in but not used by the software engineers and forgot about? In Rev 2 they might end up dropping it. Who knows.

author: kilohercas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2014, 07:36:39 am
content: MSO2000MDO3000and MDO4000 have that, and all of them have a 30 days trial mode with backup battery.

author: Noise Floor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2014, 06:23:03 pm
content: Was a winner of the contest ever made public? Not that I expected to win (didn't enter) just curious if it was anyone here.

author: kilohercas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2014, 06:43:51 pm
content: Quote from: Noise Floor on June 03, 2014, 06:23:03 pmit looks like contest is still running