Belarus MNIPI today's test equpiment - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2013, 07:02:15 pm
content: Their products look like they were manufactured in late 1980s, but no, it is today.http://mnipi.com/en/about.htmlAnd they offer some weird digital oscilloscopes...http://mnipi.com/en/produkt/osczillografyi-czifrovyie.htmlBut they have even some more modern product,some of them are rebranded Rigol!

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2013, 07:23:30 pm
content: More photos.EDIT: Spectrum analyzer added

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2013, 07:25:03 pm
content: Never heard of Belarus? It is a not well known country in Europe.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarushttp://www.belarus.by

author: zaoka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2013, 07:39:38 pm
content: They are different worldWould love to see teardown of that scopeMaybe they are the same grade quality as their military...

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2013, 07:45:35 pm
content: Probably same specs, built to last a few decades of use for sure. may not be cutting edge, but solid design, conservative ratings and solid construction.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2013, 08:23:54 pm
content: This makes me wanna cry. They really are still stuck in the stone-age...They probably walk around like peacocks touting how good their stuff is...sad... very sad...

author: Bryan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 12:55:12 am
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 28, 2013, 08:23:54 pmPerhaps, but if their products are made in their own country then hats off to them. Anything made in North America anymore that we can show off. Didn't think so..

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 01:04:00 pm
content: Well, some of the top class Tektronix scopes are still produced in USA, I think...

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 06:54:18 pm
content: Made from imported parts mostly, or only placed in the final box with the packaging, warehousing, and such all counting as local content. The Belarus manufacturer probably does make a lot of the components and other specialist parts either in house or in country, and a large part of the assembly is done there as well.

author: Vgkid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 07:13:46 pm
content: These instruments always interest me, as simple gear is often"easier" to fix. It would be nice if they put a spec sheet detailing the accuracy specs on their equiptment page. The %.02 E7-23 RLC meter is rather neat.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 07:55:20 pm
content: those scopes look like they are rebadged kenwood and mitsubishi and rigols...

author: grenert
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 07:59:35 pm
content: My god, I can't believe the range switch buttons on the multimeter are membrane touch. I can see that meter scooting a little bit backwards with every press, until it falls off the table. That has to be a "top 10" worst user interface decision.

author: david77
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 08:13:40 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 28, 2013, 08:23:54 pmHave you seen the operating temperature range of this LCR meter?http://mnipi.com/en/produkt/izmeriteli-immitansa-rlc/izmeritel-immitansa-e7-23.htmlShow me one comparable meter made by the yanks that still works at that temperature.Russian tech made from steel and granite!

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 08:18:15 pm
content: Well, it is rather -20°C to 50°C.http://www.mnipi.ru/products.php4?group=6&device=2

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 08:20:02 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 29, 2013, 07:55:20 pmOne scope and one spectrum analyzer are rebranded Rigol, I think. But the other scopes look lige original design. They are not similar to anything I know. I could not find any similarKenwoodscope...

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 08:24:56 pm
content: Quote from: grenert on September 29, 2013, 07:59:35 pmI find more hilarious that they painted ranges on panel and show small arrow on 20x4 display while the rest of it remains unused.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 08:27:20 pm
content: Membrane touch buttons were popular in late 1980s, I think.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 08:38:25 pm
content: I do not like this design choice. Why didn't they use a proper big rotary switch with many settings??(Pictures of 1980's Tektronix and Tesla BM566A scopes.)

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 08:38:40 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on September 29, 2013, 08:27:20 pmThey even list it as a new model. Actually There are good things in Belorussia, like good food not poisoned by all kinds of E... things, not imported junk. They also didn't destroy their production plants when USSR collapsed unlike other former countries. I bet there are quiet a lot Belorussian parts inside non rebadged devices, like those horrible looking bottom plugs on that microvoltmeter.

author: Seg
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 09:07:02 pm
content: Also remember that the former Soviet Union has a long history of shameless cloning of foreign electronics.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 09:15:18 pm
content: Belarus produces quite impressive heavy trucks named Belaz.http://www.belaz.by/en/They look better that that oscilloscopes. Because there is not much development at these large trucks.

author: AndrejaKo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 11:30:48 pm
content: We have Belarus trolleybuses here in Belgrade and I like them a lot. The BelKomunMash 321 are much better than the older ZiU 9 units, for passengers at least.Anyway, what surprised me a little bit is how expensive most of that gear is. I mean, it looks pretty low-spec by today's standards (from what I could see at least), yet it has same price as more modern gear. Are foreign oscilloscopes/testgear expensive in CIS countries?

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 11:32:20 pm
content: They also make transporter for Topol M Russian intercontinental ballistic missile.Yeah, they are much better at that field.Quote from: AndrejaKo on September 29, 2013, 11:30:48 pmThey may need certification for measurement equipment quiet often, and that is a real PITA if it is not already certified and in the official approved measurement equipment list. So they can sell some rebadge or outdated equipment for more money, but it is in that list. Equipment generally is more expensive than in EU even if it is not certified.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 11:36:23 pm
content: Damn, that showcase is like a blast from the past.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2013, 11:45:00 pm
content: Belarus is good at heavy machinery.Well, it's strange, in Russia you can probably buy any test equipment like Rigol or Agilent...

author: Bryan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 07:10:20 am
content: Wonder what good those three little fire extinguishers sitting on the front fender are going to do if that big boy caught on fire.

author: madshaman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 07:24:32 am
content: Quote from: Bryan on September 30, 2013, 07:10:20 amYou're not thinking laterally enough. They are for putting people out, not the machine ;-)

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 05:12:03 pm
content: There is also a consumer electronics manufacturer in Belarus.http://www.horizont.by/index.php?page=products&c=telTheir products look OK and not much dated. But I am not sure if all the stuff is really produced in Belarus.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 06:05:02 pm
content: Another Belarus producer of strange dated test equipment.Kalibrhttp://www.kalibr.com/en/ria.shtmlThere are two digital oscilloscopes called C9-27 and ?9-8.http://www.kalibr.com/en/ria-c9-27.shtmlhttp://www.kalibr.com/en/ria-c9-8.shtml(I think that C9-16 is very similar to C9-8.)They are both about 30 kilogram of weight.Well, is it 2013???

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 06:15:43 pm
content: Belarus IC producerIntegral.http://www.integral.by/eng/Quite nothing strange.http://vityas.com/catalog/vaclean/Another consumer electronics producer. Well, the stuff might be okay. I would buy an iron or hair dryer from them. Nothing strange.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 06:45:28 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on September 30, 2013, 06:15:43 pmYou could probably strip paint with it as well...

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 07:25:41 pm
content: Well, I have no other website to add, this is all. Might be interesting for someone.

author: david77
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 08:02:45 pm
content: Wow, now I know who made my first lab PSU!http://www.kalibr.com/en/ria-ipu.shtmlHard to believe they still produce that thing nearly 20 years later.I bought it some time around 1994 for 119,00 DM (about 60 EUR today) per mail order (yes, actually a filled out order form sent by post, with stamp and everything.).Wasn't that bad actually, some very unusual parts inside. Looked very Romulan to me, power transistors shaped like UFO's, spongy plastic toggle switches and fuses of distinctly odd proportions. IIRC the fuses bodies were made of cardboard.I know for a fact I've still got the huge transformer out of it and probably some other parts as well.Can't remember what it died of, though.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 08:28:35 pm
content: Quote from: david77 on September 30, 2013, 08:02:45 pmWhen I attended electronics classes in mid nineties there was one such PSU. IIRC it was made in early eighties. So it may be even older technology than you think.http://www.bms.by/eng/spec/index.php?pass=Check that catalog from Integral, it consists almost only from clones, they just change first letters. They even mention from what it is copied. They even have FT232R clone.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 08:54:53 pm
content: Quote from: david77 on September 30, 2013, 08:02:45 pmDo you mean TO-3 case?TO-3

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 08:57:51 pm
content: I think there was something like this

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 09:09:23 pm
content: I have some of these. I wonder how they should be fixed to a heatsink. The case design is weird and useless...

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 30, 2013, 09:20:41 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on September 30, 2013, 09:09:23 pmEasily

author: Alexei.Polkhanov
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2013, 04:21:43 am
content: MNIPI make their own IC for oscilloscopes with 350 MHz sampling - strangely info on website only in Russian -http://mnipi.com/ru/produkt/mikrosborki-poluprovodnikovyie/mikrosborka-kn009.htmland packaging is weird, military high temperature/radiation one.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2013, 06:05:50 am
content: LOL I googled MNIPI and Rigol and got this:http://www.ebastlirna.cz/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=608044

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2013, 01:31:57 pm
content: Why not?

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2020, 02:53:57 pm
content: After 7 years, MNIPI company of Belarus is still going strong.http://mnipi.by/catalog/oscillografy-cifrovye.html

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2020, 11:25:40 pm
content: Friends, these Belarusian products are used in our Russian defense industry. It doesn't look fashionable, but it performs its functions well. This is a reasonable approach. Mowing grass on the lawn would be more convenient sitting in the Ferrari, but people buy simple lawn mowers.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2020, 11:38:42 pm
content: This is pretty cool. Good job Belarus

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2020, 11:46:45 pm
content: Quote from: Bryan on September 30, 2013, 07:10:20 amMy military service took place with these missiles.These fire extinguishers look funny, but we had one answer to such questions: to disconcert and confuse the likely enemy.This missile is like a Kalashnikov rifle. Nothing is needed for it, it is always ready and works flawlessly. They are constantly moving, can go at high speed, stop and launch instantly, in a couple of minutes. But this is an outdated model, they have already been removed from military. These same missiles were concealed in railway vagons, which were completely impossible to detect, but the americans managed to bargain for their destruction from the USSR with all their tricks.Although this is a weapon of defense. You don't need to hide missiles to attack. They hide missiles so that they cannot be destroyed by enemies during an attack and strike back. It is the possibility of a retaliatory strike that deters the attack.Look:

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2020, 11:54:19 pm
content: Belarus basically continued on the path of a Soviet Union country. For good or for bad. They have a lot of industries still intact and actually making domestic products.Observing it from outside, I admire that country. It is a very good example of a country trying to make it on its own. But I guess people are not as happy with the political situation. The issue is that even if they remove the current dictator, they will probably not get a better replacement.They also produce a lot of textile products. And right now I'm sitting in the US and wearing pants made in Belarus. I've got them when I was lat time visiting my parents Russia. Those are some good pants at a very cheap price. A lot of products from Belarus are like this.And yes, Belarus does a lot of stuff in collaboration with Russian military. They have inherited a lot of talented people and institutions from Soviet Union times.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2020, 11:57:54 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 28, 2013, 08:23:54 pmThey just don't sell the packaging, they sell the filling.I have already written that they do not need a retail market where they need to attract customers with beauty and comfort.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 12:10:23 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on November 01, 2020, 11:54:19 pmYou are not surprised that in the country of the dictator, some people openly called for violence, to overthrow the government, to break the law. They did it openly and publicly. That in a country with a dictator, the police still do not shoot to kill, as it happens in "free" countries, for example, in the United States, in France, etc. Are you not confused by Spain's attitude towards Catalonia? That the countries, that destroyed dictators, turned into hell. This is just dirty politics. Belarus is a beautiful and lovely country. I have been there several times and I envy the Belarusians.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 12:13:23 am
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on November 02, 2020, 12:10:23 amI'm not saying he is the bad kind of a dictator, not at all. He is the representation of a strong authority where people actually benefit too. He is still a dictator though.They may not feel like they have a good life, but they actually do. And it would be actually too bad if they lose that. Alternatives are just much worse, especially in modern world.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 05:32:43 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on November 02, 2020, 12:13:23 amHe's a leader. Батька!Quote from: ataradov on November 02, 2020, 12:13:23 amAnd here I completely agree. In Russia, we have lost everything and it is very difficult to recover.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 05:35:37 am
content: Quote from: M4trix on November 02, 2020, 01:18:52 amIn this video forgot to add our bears...When the Olympic games were held, we had to keep them locked up at home - they suffered.

author: abyrvalg
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 07:46:15 am
content: Omg. CCCP 2.0 promo goes global

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 09:45:56 am
content: Yeah I work with a lot of people in Belarus. Lots of assumptions about what people consider to be a good life here. Getting beaten for being critical of your government is not a good life. The Soviet sphere of influence is pretty large but shrinking. That's the only reality that needs to be contended with.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 11:24:22 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 02, 2020, 09:45:56 amIs it normal to be "beaten up for criticizing the government" in Poland, France, Germany, Catalonia, the United States, and many other countries? Or is this not criticism, but the aggression of a small number of people who consider themselves more important than the rest of the majority?In Belarus, these people openly called for violence, for the destruction of the country, for breaking the law, for attacking the police.I can give you a lot of facts, a lot of videos, the beginning of those protests where aggressive freaks attacked the police and beat them-yes, otherwise they don't understand. However, they were not maimed, their eyes were not knocked out, as was the case in France, for example.In London recently, a lot of people were walking street shouting - do you like it? The crowd on the street should decide your fate? You may be used to crooks making trouble, but we've lived in a quiet environment for a long time.And, as usual, the instigators of all these protests are just using people as naive fools.Where"critics of the government" made a coup and gained power, no one is better off. Those same former critics have made even more severe restrictions and now there are "critics" against them.This is dirty politics, a power struggle to get access to resources or earn money from sponsors.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 11:33:17 am
content: Completely missing the bit where the reason people are on the streets is because of the shit show of an election that was run. Detaining voters, making it difficult to vote and voter fraud were rife. People want choice and fairness. And they were robbed of that. This is merely causality from that outcome.If you piss off your citizens then they're going to smash shit.Also, quit the whataboutism...The real situation in London is pretty similar. The voters were heavily manipulated. Rather than via more hard controls, this was done by a political engine of which I was a part of for a few years. The funding structures point back directly to you guys so quite frankly fuck off my lawn

author: abyrvalg
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 12:16:10 pm
content: Some people here are so overwhelmed with “happiness” beaming from every TV that they cannot help but share it with the rest of our suffering world including test equipment forumsOn the topic: never heard from friends working in defense industry of anyone actively using those “coffins”, that must be something topmost secret. Usually they buy one to have it on papers, but use something western or eastern for daily work.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 12:18:05 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 02, 2020, 11:33:17 amIt is very stupid to consider your opinion the only correct one.And your rudeness shows impotence, lack of evidence, the empty cry of a fool, who crooks hung noodles on his ears to use for their own purposes.Yes, we from Moscow have appointed KGB captain Johnson to you, and we will soon appoint KGB major Trump to US presidents.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 12:20:23 pm
content: If only you knew what I can't tell you ...

author: S. Petrukhin
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timestamp: November 02, 2020, 12:31:52 pm
content: Quote from: abyrvalg on November 02, 2020, 12:16:10 pmI think there are areas where the use of western or eastern equipment is unacceptable. We have 3 military enterprises in the city, I know several people and they never tell me what's going on. Even those who are just engaged in the assembly of equipment, is not related to the design or testing.

author: ralphrmartin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 04:50:28 pm
content: Just to lighten this thread up, it reminds me of a joke told to me by a Bulgarian professor:In the US, things are secret: no one knows why the guy in the next building is working on.In Russia, things are top secret: no one knows what the guy at the next desk is working on.In Bulgaria, things are ultra secret: no one knows what they are working on.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 04:58:07 pm
content: Quote from: ralphrmartin on November 02, 2020, 04:50:28 pmThere is a lot of truth in this anecdote: in the defense industry, people often don't know what they are doing. The principle of limited knowledge applies. People often perform some operations without knowing what it is.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 05:00:48 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 02, 2020, 12:20:23 pmThat you are the brother of BD140 ( which is much nicer since is PNP , you commonplace NPN ) . But the BD239/240 family across the street is waaay better. more power in the same TO126 body.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 06:08:52 pm
content: Yes I'm a middle class device

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2020, 08:10:54 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 02, 2020, 06:08:52 pm