Siglent 1104 XE - Page 1
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author: tony3d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 01:51:53 am
content: Thinking of buying the Siglent 1104 XE. I heard that it has no real time clock, and the date, and time must be reset after every power down. If I buy it with the dongle, must I pay for a license if all I want it to do is read the current date, and time. Don’t believe I’ve ever seen a scope without a real time clock.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 01:58:01 am
content: Quote from: tony3d on November 16, 2022, 01:51:53 amMany/most 1000 series DSO's don't have a RTC.You can get a TP-Link dongle the same as those sold by Siglent and enabling the WiFi option permanently is a breeze so that the clock can sync with your local NTP server at boot.Once it's set up correctly the clock feature works perfect and also provides a file timestamp on anything you save, screenshots etc.Every other little thing you need to know is here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1204x-e-released-for-domestic-markets-in-china/

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 01:59:33 am
content: Rob beat me to it .. yeah, like he said.

author: tony3d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 02:12:00 am
content: Can you explain how this is setup?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 02:20:29 am
content: Quote from: tony3d on November 16, 2022, 02:12:00 amRTFMhttps://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SDS1000X_E_SDS1000X_U_UserManual_EN.pdfP217Time was introduced with recent firmware with Logging which of course it's required for logging.There's also a little about setting Time in this Logging app note:https://siglentna.com/application-note/datalogging-with-the-four-channel-sds1000x-e-oscilloscope-models/

author: tony3d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 02:26:46 am
content: Thank you very much. I plan on ordering this within the next day or so. Really want the time stamps though. My Owon 7102 has a real time clock.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 02:34:01 am
content: Find the script (it's in this forum and probably in one of the threads linked earlier) to generate all your license keys and install all the upgrades. Then buy this dongle:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008IFXQFU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1and set up the NTP time server. It will automagically start up and set the time every reboot and you won't even remember that it doesn't have an RTC, provided you always have WiFi.

author: tony3d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 02:34:36 am
content: Think I’ll place my order now.

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 02:37:59 am
content: If you don't yet have the scope the explanation would be meaningless .. if you have the scope it would be fairly obvious.Set-up WIFI:1) Install WIFI dongle in back USB "A" slot.2) Utility --> Pg. 2 --> I/0 --> Net InterfaceIt will probably default to WIFI, but if it doesn't, select WIFI. The default configuration is DHCP.Set up NTP:1) Utility --> Pg. 3 --> Date/Time --> NTP --> Server IP --> Enter IP address of an NTP server2) At same level as Server IP set Power On sync to On

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 02:57:28 am
content: Mostly right but connections don't default to anything, they need be manually configured, especially WiFi and saved.Date/Time once set up correctly can be configured to sync at boot or done manually.Couple of screenshots for your pleasure with the scope configured for a LAN connection on the bench and set to NZ NTP server.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 05:25:29 am
content: A post in another thread mentions that it might be possible to synchronise the scopes clock to a wired network router without having the need for an internet connection for the ntp server. This would be my choice if it worked but I am still waiting on a friend to test and confirm.

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 07:10:45 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on November 16, 2022, 05:25:29 amThat'll work fine as long as the router supports being an NTP server. I don't know how common that is for consumer-oriented routers (my ASUS RT-AC68U doesn't).But apparently Windows has included an NTP server service since at least WinXP. It's disabled by default, instructions to enable it:https://www.interfacett.com/blogs/creating-standalone-ntp-server-windows/(note: I haven't tested these instructions, as I just configure the scope to use a public NTP server).If you use Linux instead of Windows, I'm 100% sure that an NTP server can be easily setup on those systems as well

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 07:12:59 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on November 16, 2022, 05:25:29 amAlright, alright I've been busy ! However recently I obtained a nice little mini PC that I can use to log into a modem/router and see if it can supply a clock for the X-E DSO to sync to.I thought the solution we found tethering the scope to a cellphone's WiFi so to access your NTP server was as simple as it got as it didn't require lugging anything else around but your cellphone.For those trying to follow, discussion and findings are here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1204x-e-released-for-domestic-markets-in-china/msg4419727/#msg4419727

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 09:04:28 am
content: Quote from: tautech on November 16, 2022, 07:12:59 amSorry Muttley I couldn't make it work as without an internet connection the scope couldn't negotiate an IP with the Modem/router.Maybe someone more clever than I can enter all that stuff manually and get it working when instead it was just so much easier to WiFi tether the scope to a phone for it to sync with a NTP server < that took me just a minute or 2 to arrange whereas trying to sync with an unconnected modem/router was a PITA.Sorry mate but not wasting more time on it and if you want to chew my ear by all means gimme a call.....been a bit since we had a chat.You keeping your head above the floods ?

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 10:18:26 am
content: Quote from: tautech on November 16, 2022, 09:04:28 amNo problem and thanks for trying.Asmwb1100mentioned, it might be dependent on having a router with a specific feature set or a need to configure the computer for NTP, or perhaps modify the firmware to support offline time management. As we previously discussed, in the past time and date stamps have always been critical for my applications and something I have always had with the TDS-1002, so for me it's a must have feature with any replacement scope.For general use and diagnostics time stamps aren't of importance but I do occasionally conduct particular test sequences and diagnostics which need to be roughly time correlated with other devices and equipment. The manual setting of time and date when required is sufficient as we have already covered in your linked thread. The reason for asking if a router could be used as a time source might mean having to adjust or synchronise the time on say a weekly basis rather than daily in an offline configuration.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 10:30:02 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on November 16, 2022, 10:18:26 amFor the modem tried it had a Date/Time feature and potential to sync with 2 NTP seversso I thought we might be onto a winner but without an internet connection it just wouldn't negotiate an IP with the scope although with a PC I could 'ipconfig' it and get its IP and crash around in its menus but the darn scope couldn't find it.

author: tony3d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2022, 11:14:42 am
content: Got it all setup to read the time at startup off google. Can’t find the script to load the upgrades though.