MH370 new seach restarting -- with a twist - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2025, 03:02:36 am
content: Judging form the many MH370 posts here, I know many of you here are interested: The search for MH370 is restarting. A new contract with Ocean Infinity is agreed. $70 million usd searching the 15,000-square-kilometer (5,800-square-mile) site proposed and agreed.The twist? Ocean Infinity appears very confident this time as they agree to -- "No find, no fee!"Per BBC:The Malaysian cabinet has approved a fresh search for the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, more than a decade after the aircraft vanished.The search will cover a 15,000 sq km area in the southern Indian Ocean, under a "no find, no fee" agreement with the exploration firm Ocean Infinity.The company will receive $70m (£56m) if the wreckage is found, transport minister Loke Siew Fook announced.... ...In December, Malaysia's government agreed in principle to resume the search. However, the final negotiations were not completed until March.Malaysia's final approval on Wednesday will now allow the search to begin.Loke said in a statement: "The government is committed to continuing the search operation and providing closure for the families of the MH370 passengers."... ...Original BBC article (article date 3/19/2025):https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2erydmm3lzo

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 25, 2025, 04:03:21 am
content: Quote from: Rick Law on March 25, 2025, 03:02:36 amI don't think this is the first "no find, no fee" search that has occurred. I'm certain there was at least one other.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2025, 04:14:46 am
content: They think they know where it is within a 43 mile radius (or equivalent other shape)?

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2025, 05:13:48 am
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on March 25, 2025, 04:14:46 amThe diameter of that (if circular) is less than 10 minutes flying time!

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2025, 06:57:50 pm
content: Ocean Infinity participated in prior search (around 2018) before but for fee. With time, improvement likely occurred. Given their fleet presumably improved under water surveying equipment, much better insight now to the then-collected data, along with with some new data (such as the ham-radio radio signal analysis), they can do better this time around.Their earlier (agreement prep) survey found January to April is the best time for the search. It will cost them tens of million if they fail. April is starting soon, but they jumped right in. So in their judgement the odds must be good! I think it is too -- my conclusion is of course merely a product of their confidence and their known under-seas abilities.My bet, MH370 found by end of 3Q25 > 50%; found by end of contract > 90%. (pre-agreement discussion was 18 month, not sure about final agreement exact duration).I hope the families of MH370 lost crew and passengers will find closure and peace...

author: vidarr
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 04:23:50 pm
content: What happens if some random diver(s) finds it first? They get nothing?

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 04:34:59 pm
content: Quote from: vidarr on March 26, 2025, 04:23:50 pmIt's most likely 5,000 ft+ underwater. You are not finding it by mistake, you have to have sonar arrays and skilled operators.Incidentally, that is whyifit was controlled flight by the pilot (i.e. pilot suicide), it seems likely to be the reason that location was picked, since the chance of recovering anything is extremely difficult. The Inmarsat 'ring' was a previously unused technique to locate a missing aircraft, and it was only possible because the satcom system remained powered up. Without that, the location of MH370 would be a total mystery. But I wonder what they hope to discover... I expect the pilot would have been smart enough to disconnect power to the black boxes, if he was trying to cover his tracks.

author: vidarr
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 05:01:57 pm
content: Wow, I had no idea it was so deep. You think this was pilot suicide? I thought it was sabotage. Malaysia had been disobeying the USA, and I think UK also, really pissing them off. It was something big and it was more than once. Then, this plane happened and then another plane, and something else. Like all in a row. Then, Malaysia got back in line.I don't remember the details, but it is not a difficult search. This was the theory many of the political and news experts held.edit: That image was for my other post. Oops.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 05:24:27 pm
content: Well, the first plane (MH17) was shot down by Russian separatists using Russian military equipment during the war in Donbas. That was an act of war against innocent civilians, and one Russia will probably never acknowledge.The second plane (MH370) we do not know really, maybe it was pilot suicide, it seems the most likely circumstance given the communications were shut down and no distress signal was heard. But if the black boxes are non-functional or never found, it becomes very difficult to say with any certainty. In my mind, I cannot see it being anything other than suicide by pilot, because all of the other options (mechanical/electrical malfunction, hypoxia, hijacking, fire) appear to have been crossed off the list. We know the plane was flying for 6-7 hours after it disappeared from primary radar, so if there was a problem, why did no one say anything?

author: vidarr
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 06:53:41 pm
content: MH370 happened first:MH370 - 8 March 2014.MH17 - 17 July 2014.For a while, I thought Russia was telling the truth about the MH17 being shot down by the Ukrainians. Then, they just stopped reporting on it at all. That is when I knew they were definitely lying. They lie by omission all the time; it is their number one tactic for propaganda purposes. Whenever they don't talk about something major that happened and they were possibly in the mix and they stay silent in the news, you can be sure they did it (unlike the USA news, that blatantly lies with no shame). In any case, the guys that shot down the MH17 definitely did not do it on purpose. They thought it was a Ukrainian military plane. They are complete idiots, but not evil.On another note:So, it was the satellite phone system Malaysia Airlines had a subscription for that gives the closest estimate of where the MH370 plane went down? It is unbelievable that in the 21st century, planes can just "disappear". Maybe the black boxes, coms and transponders, etc should not be able to be disengaged, or turned off (in flight)?

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 07:30:31 pm
content: Thanks for the correction @vidarr.I do not believe MH17 was deliberately shot down, however, it is clear that the separatists were incompetent and operating equipment that they should not have been operating, and they should be on trial. Of course, that will never happen, unless Russian government falls.At this point there is zero doubt that the plane crashed, the parts are one thing, but it seems some people hoped it landed on some tropical island somewhere and "Lost" is playing out... it's just not possible. You need a min. 2km long runway to land a plane like that, and any possible locations for the plane have been ruled out. The wreckage is twisted and bent, suggesting a severe impact with the ocean.

author: NE666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 07:48:23 pm
content: Has M. Night Shyamalan been notified?

author: vidarr
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 10:57:40 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on March 26, 2025, 07:30:31 pmOh boy. I feel for the families and friends, that has got to be really rough.Remember this dude:"Cor Pan and Neeltje Tol were leaving Amsterdam for vacation when C0r — who goes by the last name “Pan” on Facebook, but lists his surname as “Schilder” elsewhere — stopped to snap a picture of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 and post it to Facebook. His message, in hindsight, was eerie: “Should it disappear, this is what it looks like.”" --Washington Posthttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/07/17/mh17-passenger-on-facebook-minutes-before-flight-should-it-disappear-this-is-what-it-looks-like/That was nuts. He was saying that as a kind of joke about MH370. Not a very good joke. Some of the people had oxygen masks on, so they were alive as the plane was tearing apart around them, after being hit with the missile. The terror of experiencing that is unimaginable to me.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 12:45:28 am
content: Quote from: vidarr on March 26, 2025, 10:57:40 pmHow do we know any of that?"Hit by a missile" is pure speculation, so far as I know, right?How could anyone possibly know that "some of the people had oxygen masks on"?Where are you getting this info?

author: vidarr
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 12:59:36 am
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on March 27, 2025, 12:45:28 amHere are a couple stories. Do a search and you can find many more.Reconstruction reveals how MH17 passengers had time to put their oxygen masks on as jetliner plunged to the ground after being hit by Russian missile:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8517289/Reconstruction-reveals-MH17-passengers-time-oxygen-masks-jetliner-plunged.htmlMH17 crash: Dutch minister says passenger 'wore oxygen mask':https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29548942Quote from: Analog Kid on March 27, 2025, 12:45:28 amIt is not speculation. It is fact. No one on any side disputes the evidence that the plane was downed by a BUK missile (from BUK Missile System).Quote from: Analog Kid on March 27, 2025, 12:45:28 amI read lots and lots of news and analyze it as part of my job. I was on the MH17 before it even broke news. I have lots of sources that post stuff on Telegram and other messaging apps Live. I'm not "into" MH17 or anything. There are experts on it and I am nowhere near an expert on this. I know the basic facts though. Hope this answers your questions.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 01:06:09 am
content: Wait a sec: you're writing about MH17, while the thread is about MH370.I guess my bad then, but why the tangent into another air crash here?

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 01:19:37 am
content: Quote from: vidarr on March 27, 2025, 12:59:36 amAnd operated not by the largely imaginary Ukrainian separatists (there were never more than 5% of Donbas residents who wanted that) but by Russian army officers who were on vacation. Because of course everyone signs-out a BUK to take with them on vacation. Can't be too careful.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 02:56:38 am
content: Quote from: vidarr on March 26, 2025, 05:01:57 pmAbsolutely no doubt by anyone.The very deliberate pattern to avoid various military and civilian radars confirms it's no accident.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 02:57:32 am
content: Mentor has a new video on it, he's always good, but I haven't watched it yet.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 03:03:16 am
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on March 27, 2025, 01:06:09 amTwo Malaysian airliners down within a short period of time: obviously of interest.370 on March 8 and 17 on July 17.In hindsight, apparently unrelated.

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 08:26:10 am
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on March 27, 2025, 12:45:28 amThe russian military unit has long been identified; they were even able to track the movement to a large degree, because russion soldiers did not stop posting pictures while on the move.There are pictures available showing shrapnel holes in aircraft parts, which are typical for this kind of air defense rockets.I'm pretty sure this takedown was not intended, nor officially ordered, there has been support from mid/higher level mititary ranks though.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 09:44:20 am
content: Worth a watch for anyone interested in MH17 incident:The level of detail and investigation leaves no doubt, it was shot down by a Russian-owned Buk system.Bellingcat also tracked it down:https://www.bellingcat.com/app/uploads/2015/10/MH17-The-Open-Source-Evidence-EN.pdf

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2025, 03:39:32 am
content: Another new YouToob vid on MH370 maybe worth watching:This one is just a little bit clickbait-y: there is no actual "TERRIFYINGdiscovery", no pictures of the "find" or anything conclusive like that.However, I have to give it credit overall for not jumping to conclusions: almost every phrase used here starts with "If ...".Some things I can live without, though:Endless shots of unknown silent talking heads, mostly news reporters; what does that prove? Nothing.And puleeze, enough with the phony "old grainy footage" that's obviously made to look that way with digital blobs and scratches overlaid. Just stupid.Apart from that, it seems credible; the latest Ocean Infinity search seems to be based on the theories of the oceanographer Vincent Lyne, who seems to have a clue as to where the plane ended up.We'll see ...

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2025, 03:55:19 am
content: Anyone know the longest time a cockpit recorder has been left underwater and still been recoverable ?Are we definitely never going to get that data now even if we found them?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2025, 04:30:54 am
content: Quote from: Psi on June 29, 2025, 03:55:19 amJust knowing it's actually there is a huge thing in itself.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2025, 09:54:48 am
content: Quote from: Psi on June 29, 2025, 03:55:19 amInternally the memory core is sealed in metal and composite or concrete (depending on the model), so I'd expect decades, if not more. The major limitation would be the lifespan of the flash memory at that point. I believe they use NOR flash though which is more stable than NAND.

author: BlackHecilopter
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 02:02:28 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 27, 2025, 02:56:38 amThere is actually a lot of doubt.Given past instances of aircraft disasters, some dating way back, there are a lot of good reasons to question this one.Here is Marc Dugain, former CEO and head of Proteus Airlines.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-was-shot-down-by-the-us-military-former-airline-ceo-claims-9939710.htmlEmirates CEO - InterviewCLARK: "Disabling it is no simple thing, and our pilots are not trained to disable ACARS."https://www.spiegel.de/international/business/mh370-emirates-head-has-doubts-about-investigation-a-996212.htmlThe cargo manifest has not been fully disclosed.https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/mh370-families-demand-answers-over-mystery-cargo/news-story/5c21f69fdcd25d76f9cd8a4228242f7825 Minutes of "missing" hydrophone data recordingshttps://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/new-underwater-sound-wave-analysis-suggests-alternative-travel-route-and-new-impact-locations/news-story/a4a5e386f6a02d4a98048dd17cc7b07fEmirates CEO Apparently Silencedhttps://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/inside-explosive-claims-challenging-story-of-lost-flight-malaysia-airlines-mh370/news-story/6311e5eb9cc687e16271670c4d831ec4Morpheus: "You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and you believe what you want to believe. You take the red pill, and you stay in wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."Your choicehttps://mailstar.net/MH370.html

author: hwasti
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 06:03:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 27, 2025, 02:56:38 amHow do you know the aircraft maneuvered to avoid military radar? Because the military in question told you? And you believe that?If they in fact did not see it, did they not see the airplane because it maneuvered to avoid detection, or because their radar systems are no good?Or was it visible to their radar but the operators were incompetent or careless to the point of missing it, or because the radars were unmanned overnight?National defense for any country is only as good as they can convince others to believe it to be. It is never audited by a truly independent 3rd party.For the politicians and military leaders, admitting that they missed a giant commercial airplane is not good for national security.For the operational people, it is not good for the careers of those responsible; the same people in a position to claim to their higher ups that the aircraft was not seen because it very competently maneuvered around all their secret installations.If you discount all the deliberate maneuvering to avoid radar installations, do you end up with a straight-line flight by a disabled aircraft with no one alive at the controls?

author: Adrian_Taylor333
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 07:27:41 am
content: Only "twist" this time is that story has been reheated for a bazzilion times to distract the public attention from what is coming.Great Reset moment seems to have failed along with many other globalist plans, but shitstorm is still coming.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 07:47:59 am
content: Quote from: Adrian_Taylor333 on August 19, 2025, 07:27:41 amBefore responding to that, consider the his previous post:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/other-battery-chemistries-what-happened-to-them/msg6016097/#msg6016097Full of phrases like(Rotschilds&Co) were on their old quest of enslaving the worldsame brainfuck that was meant to enslave the worldbarriers between EUgenic terrirorriesenslaved all the sheeple over "democracies"Democracy is a fairy-tale, just like "Little Red Riding Hood".etc etcwith a generous helping of anti-China ranting.Reads like he should have, er, gone to bed before posting.

author: hwasti
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 08:21:17 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 19, 2025, 07:47:59 amThat is so unbelievably rude of you. People need to have compassion for the mentally ill.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 08:42:42 am
content: Quote from: hwasti on August 19, 2025, 08:21:17 amCalling someone "mentally ill" is neither polite nor shows compassion.I haven't read all his posts in detail, but others don't seem unreasonable.Anyway, enough on that subject.

author: Adrian_Taylor333
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 08:58:40 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 19, 2025, 08:42:42 amAh, look, swarm drones, posing as a "bystanders with an opinion".This crap has gone sooo stale, and even that was long ago.People have been posting about this kind of hierarchic swarm warfare across EU YEARS ago:https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/lw5m84/goyi_go_in_eu_history_and_current_playground/

author: Adrian_Taylor333
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 09:05:45 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 19, 2025, 08:42:42 amYou're right on that one. It works both ways.It's nice to know about "checkers" and "taggers" on places like this.

author: Adrian_Taylor333
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 09:34:57 am
content: BTW, I'm not saying that there is no story behind MH370 mystery.Just that all I see is this mistery being used by usual bullshitters and their human swarms to use id as a camouflage cloud to control eybealls of the public.Pretty much in the same manner and for the same purpose as the usual performers on Penn&Teller's famous "Fool Us" series.But with FAR less of a skill.AFAIK good magicians and their methods were extensively studied and used by usual three-letter-agencies.All that comes to mind is that it was an accident or, at best, intentional/accidental shoot-down.But even that is far from being an yet unseen wonder of the world.Plenty of planes have been shot down. Not all have been found.So, what would be the other reason for endles (and pretty periodical) reheating of this story if not for eyeball control ?

author: BlackHecilopter
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 05:33:07 pm
content: For anyone who needs this spoonfed. Most likely scenario is cargo confiscation by the US military. Remote control of the airplane was probably taken through fly-by-wire.The fact there was no full disclosure of the cargo and that 'mysterious' cargo was added to the cargo list late is HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS.You want an answer start looking there.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 06:30:23 pm
content: I think that it's time the Mods pulled the plug on this thread. It long ago ceased having anything to do with electronics and has gone entirely off the rails and into the world of utter fantasy and Bull Shit.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 06:48:45 pm
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on August 19, 2025, 06:30:23 pmAgreed.It is a magnet for the green ink brigade.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 07:32:59 pm
content: I would say keep this thread alive for one reason:The new search that's supposed to get underway sometime in the near future.From what I've read it sounds like they have a pretty good idea of where the plane might have gone down--in that ocean valley, forget its name--and there might be a chance of finding it.Regarding the scenarios described by @BlackHecilopter above, some of them are in the realm of possibility, but highly implausible. If the plane is found, it may put a lot of this speculation to rest. (One can hope.)

author: BlackHecilopter
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 07:34:51 pm
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on August 19, 2025, 06:30:23 pmI completely disagree with pulling the plug on this thread. I posted several links to credible sources.This is not off the rails and utter fantasy.Since you want this to have to do with electronics. Look up Pan Am 103. The key piece of evidence was a piece of circuit board from anon-functioningprototype. The eletrical engineer admitted to perjury that the key piece of circuit board actually was from a prototype he had given to investigators.The real target of Pan Am 103 was the UN commissioner of Namibia, Bernt Carlsson, who wanted to stop the illegal occupation and mining in Namibia. Bernt Carlsson was to sign the New York Accords the following day.You can investigate this yourself. All facts. All having to do with electronics.Sourcehttps://lockerbiecase.blogspot.com/2014/11/it-has-been-suggested-to-me-by-regular.html?m=1More informationhttps://libyadiary.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/lockerbie-key-witness-admits-perjury/

author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 08:41:00 pm
content: Do you all know what is left from a plane that plunges from 40,000 feet? Nothing.QuoteQuote is from wikipedia. So we know it crashed.As far as finding it, it's ridiculous. You can hardly find anything when it falls on the ground. What do you expect to find under the ocean?

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 08:54:18 pm
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 19, 2025, 08:41:00 pmI don't know, but apparently a bunch of people with a lot of money think they might be able to find it.So more power to them.

author: Adrian_Taylor333
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 09:26:45 pm
content: Quote from: BlackHecilopter on August 19, 2025, 07:34:51 pmAh, the Lockerbie case. Result of MI6 "work" IIRC.Later they forced the Gadaffi to take the blame.And for the cherry on top, they used it to smear him as a terrorist, bomb the Libya and have him anally raped with a knife.That's what happens if you what to have your own, solid monetary currency, especially in Africa.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2025, 09:26:50 pm
content: A big chunk of damaged aluminum, in fewer or more pieces, might be detectable in a field of resistive saline and non-conductive rock, even at depth, if enough money be spent on the search.Of course, the ferrousTitanicis down in a measly 3800 m at a previously-known position. The average depth of the Indian Ocean is 3741 m.

author: BlackHecilopter
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2025, 04:35:13 am
content: Quote from: Adrian_Taylor333 on August 19, 2025, 09:26:45 pmThat is correct you got it.The padlock was cut on security door CP2 at Heathrow airport where the device was likely planted.https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/heathrow-lock-cut-like-butter-1980539https://lockerbiecase.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-break-in-at-heathrow-terminal-3.html