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author: PeterG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 02:13:39 pm
content: yeah, i still can not watch the whole video........

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 03:27:46 pm
content: hell no, i would simply leave it be or go there with a helicopter. or change it to something wihch last 30 years atleast. stupid construction

author: PeterG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 03:32:07 pm
content: You could not pay me enough to climb that tower.....or any tower.....

author: bullet308
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 03:44:33 pm
content: Harrowing, but at the same time, emotions aside, you would be just as dead from a 170ft drop as a 1,700ft one.Biggest problem with the video is the way it moves around with the guys head. If it was YOUR head hooked to YOUR body, I don't think it would be nearly as disorienting/nauseating.

author: chrome
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 04:52:17 pm
content: Quote from: iamwhoiam on June 03, 2012, 04:42:03 pmAnd how would that work?The tower is 1768Feet (539 Meters), so the top of the tower will be swinging pretty hard and then you wanna bring in a helicopter which are not super easy to control very accurately with the elements like wind and whatnot. One fatal mistake and you take out the tower and possibly crash the heli into another location.

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 04:55:15 pm
content: if there would be wind up there without any safety rigs they would learn to fly and fall very quickly

author: PeterG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 05:00:46 pm
content: When this video was first posted on youtube, the climber was asked to remove it asap, by fellow tower climbers, because he was 'free climbing' which is not permitted. It was too late however and now pops up every now and then under various names.Regards

author: chrome
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 05:35:13 pm
content: Quote from: M. András on June 03, 2012, 04:55:15 pmThink of it this way:Your body surface is a lot smaller than the surface of a helicopter , add into this that the helicopter isn't attached to anything (you are with your arms and legs to the tower) a sideways motion of the helicopter by a sudden gust of wind is not unlikely.

author: Jad.z
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 06:44:44 pm
content: Man, Oh Man. I wouldn't do that for a million dollars.Even though I have the same watch.

author: T4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 06:54:46 pm
content: Even with 10 million dollars ...

author: siliconmix
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 07:44:26 pm
content: my toes curled up all through that.all that way to get your balls fried.he could have base jumped off probably safer.

author: icon
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 09:31:01 pm
content: Mandatory safety equipment, I would have thought:http://baserigs.com/docs/products/containers/John

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 09:49:01 pm
content: I cant believe that if enough money was offered you would not make that climb. I have had to work at height in the past, nothing like that mind you and I found it scary but I still went back until the job was done, it is really remarkable what you can get used to.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 10:05:45 pm
content: The biggest problem with comms towers is the wind. The sway in even gentle winds is incredible, even on much much smaller towers I've been on, and it really messes with your head. Much scarier than the height itself.Dave.

author: Satchmoeddie
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2012, 11:21:03 pm
content: After 25 meters up I stop worrying. If I fall it probably won't hurt for very long. Under that and I worry about hurting myself. Not that I have a death wish, but someone has to do the "high work" and it usually pays time and a half. I still have my fall harness and lots of rigging and lanyards. Sometimes you almost need to free climb. When you are focused on the task at hand where you are kind of becomes secondary in your mind. You still have the nagging thought that one mis-step and you will be hanging by a lanyard or falling. I had an idiot for a boss that tied my harness' lanyard to a temporary hand rail on the 30th floor of a high rise. Just what I needed, If I fall I will have 600 pounds of angle iron and cable following me down. The stress on your tie off lanyard is over 1000 pounds (if you fall and hit the end of your rope), and the rail comes off with under 250 pounds of force. Hmmm? That was for architectual lighting fixtures. You just deal with it or you don't. Having "cut out" and fallen before, I will take 250 feet up over 25 feet. As long as the tower is not going to nuke me I am OK with climbing it. I actually own my own personal protective devices. Companies let their equipment get into serious disrepair. $600 is not a bad investment to keep you from getting hurt. It also insures that the harness is adjusted for me and not the last guy who used it. I used to do free climbing on "slickrock" cliffs and formations. Monument Valley and Arches Park along with Colorado National Monument were all close by home or the home of a family member. We also used anchors and belaying lines. We were idiots at ages 12-22!

author: Architect_1077
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2012, 12:17:35 am
content: What gets to me isn't the height, it's the free-climbing part. I'm crazy, but not that crazy.QuoteWTF? That makes no sense at all! What kind of idiot designs/approves that type of "safety" equipment?I do climbing/rappelling occasionally, the equipment I'm used to handles literally tons of force. The anchor points are usually the strongest element. I would have assumed that safety equipment for WORK would handle more than just a couple hundred pounds of force.BUT, tbh, if someone paid me a millions of dollars to do it, I would!.

author: azrimola
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2012, 12:38:03 am
content: It would be safer (maybe cheaper) to rig the box so it can be taken down like a flag to the elevator level,.. or use optical cable to transmit light from a lower level.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2012, 08:37:18 am
content: Good documentary on tower deaths.http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cell-tower-deaths/

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2012, 05:54:39 pm
content: There is a problem with this climb, the guy with the helmet cam should never disconnect his safety harness lines during the ascent, one point must always be anchored while the other point is anchored above him. In the final scenes you see him clipping it to his chest, then reclipping it to the top of the tower. Then he uses a locking carabiner to make a "safety" connection while he is completed without a visible safety lock, the other guy uses the proper hook. If he's going to use a carabiner the quick attach is all he needs, locking ones are for semi-permanent mounts.There was a recent safety expose on US TV about the number of falls and deaths from these towers, and this video shows at least why.

author: Architect_1077
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2012, 06:15:13 pm
content: QuoteHe's "free-climbing", that's why he isn't using the traditional safety procedures. Takes nice big shinny balls to do that. Every step he takes could be his last. That's a very mighty gamble with one's own life if you ask me.

author: Sionyn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2012, 06:18:35 pm
content: the tower doesn't look very safe to me especially the bits he has to climb out only to climb another ladder.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2012, 07:18:57 pm
content: Yes, I agree. For work related issues, the employer should be very concerned unless they were taught better but the climbers opted not to use it, to speed up the climb. OSHA can sue and fine the employer, not alone civil suits by the employee or their heirs if they fall and the video proves to everyone what style of climbing he uses. There are other videos on youtube of tower workers climbing the safer way, and by contrast its much slower paced.Quote from: Architect_1077 on June 04, 2012, 06:15:13 pm

author: kolbep
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2012, 09:31:20 pm
content: My Heart is Racing after watching this.Kept on expecting this monkey to fall.I think I will be having nightmares about this tonight...P

author: lowimpedance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 12:21:43 am
content: Stainless under ware mandatory

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 02:58:00 am
content: Quote from: chrome on June 03, 2012, 04:52:17 pmAt one of my jobs we sold off a redundant Intelsat dish.Various bidders came up to look at it in situ.In passing,we asked one of the guys how he was going to move the dish,& his answer was:"We are going to get a helicopter to pick it up ,& take it away in one piece!"The dish was between the 2 storey Transmitter room & the 145m high self supporting tower.About a block away was another TV site with a similar setup.All of this on top of the Darling Scarp,which is fairly windy on a good day!After we picked ourselves up from the floor,we tried to dissuade him ,but he seemed to think it would be good!We then pointed out that the Aviation authorities would almost certainly forbid it,even if he found a chopper pilot crazy enough to try!I've been up one of the self supporting towers (actually,the other one referred to above).They aren't bad,just like a building without a skin,with landings & everything!Some halfwits got into the place one night,free climbed to the top,removed the bezels from the clearance lamps,chucked them and the globes down,& left.I wasn't on call,but my Boss was.He & the Electrician went up & fitted the few spares,covering up the others with black garbage bags.They did this at night,too---braver than me!When we got the bezels,I went up & replaced them,& the lamps.In a PC manner,I collected all the garbage bags,& took them back down,except for one which was a bit hard to get to.That one slipped from my hands & was whipped away in the wind,heading towards Perth at a high rate of knots.As I said,the tower was fairly civilised,the only part I had to "free climb" was up between the antenna panels to put the topmost lamp in.There were no easy hand & footholds on this part,but the worst you could go was fall back to the platform,not far below,plus I attached my lanyard.Self-supporting or not, the thing juddered & shuddered like mad in the wind.After that,cold & miserable,all I wanted was to get down & have a hot coffee,but,in order to climb down, you had to clip your lanyard to a safety trolley which ran down a rail in the middle of the ladder.*If you climbed down too fast. it "thought" you were falling,& would lock up.Ouch! My back still remembers the sensation!*Added text (in Bold type) for Uncle Vernon's benefit!

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 03:34:26 am
content: So many people talk about falling off when free climbing like that. But honestly, the risk of falling while climbing a solid accessible structure is basically zero. Imagine for an instant that that tower was a playground climbing frame six feet off the ground and you were clambering over it. Do you honestly believe you would ever fall off it? Have you ever fallen off a child's slide or climbing frame or step ladder when being sensible and not fooling around? There's no real difference.Let's be real people, there is no more chance of falling off a solid ladder or structure 1000 ft off the ground than there is when 10 ft off the ground. You are not going to fall, unless you are negligent. Basic self preservation and motor skills will ensure that.

author: PeteInTexas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 03:37:07 am
content: What bothered me the most to look at were the gloves. The closest to this I've done is rappel from a Blackhawk helicopter and you can bet I made sure my hands were not slipping out of my gloves.Also, I think for this video he is hooked on to his partner below who in turn is the one clambering up with the safety line. That would still count as free climbing right?

author: PeteInTexas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 03:41:27 am
content: Quote from: IanB on June 05, 2012, 03:34:26 amKind of like drowning in 2 meters of water vs. 500? I don't know, its usually a lot windier up high that on the monkey bars...then there's vertigo...

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 03:58:50 am
content: Quote from: PeteInTexas on June 05, 2012, 03:41:27 amThey don't climb tall structures like that if its windy. And vertigo is what you make of it. For instance, if this beam was only three feet off the ground, would you ever dream that you might fall off it by accident while sitting on it?

author: siliconmix
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 06:14:53 am
content: WHAT ! no safety helmets

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 07:27:15 am
content: Quote from: IanB on June 05, 2012, 03:34:26 amI'm more scared of ladders than of towers!At least,you know that the tower (except little ones!) is not going to be affected by your weight distribution.I fell off a cliff once--luckily the last 10 feet,not the first!Those rocks were hard,and sharp!I believe I said something very obscene,so they knew I was still alive.They took me back to town & the Doc sewed me up---Had a hole in my arm about the size of an Aussie 20c piece,& lots of aches & pains.The boys decided it was a good night to drink prodigious amounts of beer,so after lying in my bed of pain,listening to them carouse,I got up,joined them and anesthetized myself!

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 07:37:13 am
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on June 05, 2012, 02:58:00 amOver here in the Eastern States we can generally be trusted to enjoy a brew without any form of safety harness. Your OH&S policy must be even sillier than others.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 08:09:07 am
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on June 05, 2012, 07:37:13 amWe have stronger coffee in the big,bad West!!Anyway,I went back & fixed the posting just for you,Unc!

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 09:10:15 am
content: Quote from: IanB on June 05, 2012, 03:58:50 amThat photo is from the 1920's-30's The building of the Empire state building it was taken by a famous photographer whoes name escapes me but my father who used to be a photographer has a large print of that photo plus a book of the mans photo, most of the men are American Indians A canadian tribe I believe, one of the photo's in the book shows their graveyard where the men who have fallen while building are buried, the grave markers are made out of steel beams.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 09:24:57 am
content: Kahnawake Mohawks.

author: chickenHeadKnob
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 10:12:06 am
content: video announcer: the worker checks for lightning, if there is a storm brewing THERE IS NO FAST WAY DOWN.-- oh yes there IS!

author: Architect_1077
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 10:56:30 am
content: Yes indeed! The problem isn't getting down fast... it's how to STOP in asafemanner that's the problem

author: David Aurora
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 02:21:08 pm
content: That was the most uncomfortable 7 minutes and 48 seconds I've ever watched on YoutubeNo way I'm gonna act like it's no big deal or like climbing a ladder. No fucking way I would attempt that, not for all the money/beer/supermodels in the world!

author: PeterG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 02:23:54 pm
content: Quote from: David Aurora on June 05, 2012, 02:21:08 pmTotally agree....... well said.Regards

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 03:24:05 pm
content: For me only time was going up in a harness attached to a mobile crane, driven by my boss, GI Joe. With me went a long air line, a drill and spare bits in my one pocket, a rivet gun and a lot of rivets in another pocket. Along for the ride was a large number of safety signs that had to go up to replace the old ones in frames 30m off the ground. GI Joe joked he would go for lunch and leave me there, where I said I would climb down the structure and come and dismember him with the drill.Funny is I had no problems sitting in a chopper in flight, out at sea, with my legs dangling out. Nice view too, sea above me, sky below and the shore in sight on the horizon. Pilots hate to swim too...... Not as bad as my trainer, who came back one afternoon from a flight in the mountains doing training for the pilots. White as a sheet, they had a leak that caught fire, and landed on the nearest thing ground that looked close to level. Fly down, land and then apply full power till the guys on board got enough rocks to chock the wheels do they would not roll down the 45 degree slope ( closest to level, not saying it was level) then cut the engines and popped the fire bottles. Radioed in for the replacement pipe and the tools, changed it on site and flew back. left at 8 for a 2 hour trip, came in at 3.

author: Architect_1077
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 03:39:11 pm
content: Quote from: David Aurora on June 05, 2012, 02:21:08 pmHow about for $100,000,000 ??

author: Ferroto
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2012, 10:51:14 pm
content: I can do that... Hold my beer.