Tektronix Meets Toyota - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 09:41:11 am
content: FAQ:No, I did not make this video.No, Agilent did not make this video.Yes, the scope was faulty.Dave.

author: dcel
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 10:27:00 am
content: Hilarious! I'm positive that this is not the first time Agilent has "ran over" the competition.Chris

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 10:42:59 am
content: Quote from: dcel on July 12, 2012, 10:27:00 amWhat's even funnier are the Youtube hater comments!Dave.

author: Christe4nM
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 11:11:12 am
content: Reading those comments: ...just wow. Why bother posting a comment at all when a YouTube video sets you off like that?Thanks for the upload Dave, I thought it was funny. Reminds us to have fun, and not to be too serious all the time.Loved your hike & attempted Fluke DMM destruction too, as well as Microchip's reply video to the pickit review. Both fun to watch.

author: Rufus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 11:39:12 am
content: It isn't entertaining, it isn't informative, it isn't funny.Strapping it to the front of the tuck and driving into a wall at 30 mph would have been entertaining.We already know Agilent has Tek beat in that product area.Someone with a genuine grievance with the product taking a sledge hammer to it would have been funny.If you indulge in the weak attempt to portray test equipment (or the manufacturers of it) as human it comes across as a jock beating up a nerd.3:1 dislike:like isn't because 75% of voters have no sense of humour.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 12:07:11 pm
content: Sorry, had to take this one down, and I'm afraid I'm going to cut even more slack over that than posting it!Removed at the request of the person in the video who got a bit nervous.It had nothing to do with all the haters or the comments, but of course no one will believe that...Dave.

author: dcel
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 12:39:37 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 12, 2012, 10:42:59 amDamn! I missed those, didn't think to look there and now they are gone. Apparantly, this video has ruffled some feathers?Would have liked to have the Agilent scope but beyond my price range, so i bought a Rigol DS1102E instead. I had read a review (or someones opinion) of the Tek scope and the Rigol had more to offer.Chris

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 12:48:18 pm
content: When I first saw I was like.. euhm, right. Why?Then it realized, well, it must be an broken unit and were like 'screw it'. I don't feel bad about it, Dave had smashed some multimeters on this blog too.If you generally read about that particular Tektronix scope, it isn't very good. So I don't feel bad for itOh, the flamers: just funny to watch. Dave, please do make sure the next video contains flames (I love how photonicinduction pronounces that), that would make it even more entertaining to watch the comments

author: Electro-Big-Nose
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 01:00:11 pm
content: I was fortunate enough to catch all the negative comments on the video before it was taken down. Just an idea for you Dave, was watching Pirates of the Caribbean the other night and the name (Davy Jones Locker) hit me as a possible good idea for you to use ? maybe for electronic items that fail, they end up in your LOCKER. Just a thought.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 01:45:17 pm
content: Quote from: hans on July 12, 2012, 12:48:18 pmThe next video (or very shortly at least) will contain the ultimate in Agilent marketing, just to really piss off the "Dave's a sell-out crowd"! Watch'em get all riled up!Oh, I do enjoy what I do!Dave.

author: Chet T16
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 01:54:55 pm
content: What did I miss? Did someone drive over a scope?

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 02:13:00 pm
content: Quote from: Chet T16 on July 12, 2012, 01:54:55 pmYes, can someone describe the video at least?

author: Jad.z
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 02:23:31 pm
content: @DaveYou might as well wanna talk about yourself in the third person. That should piss off some more pepole.

author: elliott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 02:25:47 pm
content: Quote from: Chet T16 on July 12, 2012, 01:54:55 pmPretty much, just an old broken TDS210.

author: Rufus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 02:37:21 pm
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on July 12, 2012, 02:13:00 pmSeriously you didn't miss anything worth seeing. They slowly and boringly ran over a low end Tek scope with the front wheel of a 4x4 with an Agilent 2000/3000 first sitting in the passenger seat and then held above the steering wheel so it looked like it was driving. There was a pun something like "Agilent in the driving seat" I don't really remember.You wouldn't hate it unless you were a Tek fanboi, there just wasn't anything commendable about it. Some moaned about destroying the scope which was claimed to be faulty anyway.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 02:37:46 pm
content: Personally I found the bitching and moaning over the video rather pathetic.It's Youtube, guys. Lighten up.If you get emotionally wounded over test equipment getting destroyed, then I think it's time to hit the Prozac.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 03:29:02 pm
content: Next - Tek hires Photon to do smash up videos of Agilent stuff...Nothing funnier than a pissing contest

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 04:51:17 pm
content: Damn , for once someone made good use of a Tek scope and i missed it !I use an Tds210 scope frontpanel as doorstopper.hmm. i think is still have the guts of one laying around ... if i do, i'll put it back together and then do a teardown.not much to see really. the power supply board is 3 times larger than the scope board. scope board is 2 national semiconductor chips , a motoroil 68k cpu and a flash rom. that's it. the rest is an lcd display and a doublesided board with some hot-melted rotary encoders on it. (not even soldered on. just bare pcb traces with a flimsy plastic cover on it ...Tek used to be the rolls-royce of the scopes. built like a tank , luxury compnents everywhere , proper engineering.Then the beancounters took over ...Later they were borged by you-know-who ....no thanks...

author: KTP
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 05:29:36 pm
content: Dang Free, you REALLY don't like the tds210 heh heh.it was my first digital scope bought new, so at the time (1998) I had nothing to compare it with and thought it was spiffy..so little and light...with 2.5K of memory so you could actually scroll digital data.But then I look inside my Tek 495P compared to the tds210...uhm....yeah...And I am not even sure the 495P is considered very good compared to the HP SA stuff back then...it was cheaper though.

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 06:10:22 pm
content: We had TDS210 scopes on college. Year 2 we did a FM stereocoder project: convert stereo audio to mono with a band at 38kHz and a pilot tone at 19kHz.Build a modulator up, hooked wavegen and scope up and measure the output. Hooray, our circuit works, except for that weird spike at 50kHz. It doesn't go away , doesn't matter what frequency we put in it. Got another TDS210 scope, still there. (yeah , at school they get beat up sometimes)We turn our power supplies off and it's still there.We place the probe near the power switch / PSU of the scope; ah, it's getting stronger. So the scope PSU is injecting 50kHz noise everywhere.. great. Resorted to Tiepie HS3 oscilloscope, atleast that works. Also lower noise floor, which is convenient.So basically, nothing to cry about that someone drove over one

author: T4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 06:36:12 pm
content: Agilent as everyone knows is the best at RF, but doesn't mean their normal series are not goodMy previous lecturer seems to think that agilent isn't good with their DSOX... I mean who makes better scopes? NONE!He thinks lecroy is good, you know what happened at the door

author: mux
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 08:50:28 pm
content: Heh, interesting to see nobody's really fussed about this here. Guess it's the home frontI was pretty pissed to see this video to be honest. I don't care if this video were just 'on youtube', but I really, really didn't expect this on dave's channel. It was a horrible quality video, extremely unfunny and basically just a big waste of time and components. Really, why would you upload something so far beneath your otherwise pretty decent level of quality? So IMO it was pretty deserved to get the dislikes it got. Also, pretty terrible PR for Agilent.

author: KTP
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 09:34:01 pm
content: Dave, the world won't end in 2012, but it looks like the ability to appreciate humor has. RIP

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 10:57:55 pm
content: Quote from: mux on July 12, 2012, 08:50:28 pmI didn't see the video. I don't know who made the video. I don't know why Dave felt obligated to take it down, after the person who made the video got scared. They made the video, now face the consequences, if there even are any consequences for destroying your own stuff.Jeezus, if I had an Asus laptop and an Acer laptop, and Asus ran over Acer, why would I care about the consequences or the bad PR if I bought and paid for them both. Extend that to Android vs. Apple, or Agilent vs Tektronix.As for the comment about being bad PR for Agilent , if the person WORKS for Agilent, well they deserve what they get if they do something in poor taste with their company brand. If they are independent, why should they, or even YOU, care about PR ?There are way too many "fanboys" in the world. It's all just plastic, metal and silicon.Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on July 12, 2012, 02:37:46 pmagreed.Perhaps I am tainted, but I worked in Silicon Valley, at a test equipment manufacturer. I regularly saw equipment being destroyed as part of inventory write-off. Literally piles of test equipment getting run over, shredded or crushed. This stuff doesn't faze me now.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 11:29:05 pm
content: Quote from: Chet T16 on July 12, 2012, 01:54:55 pmYep, drove over a TDS210 in a land cruiser.The person who shot the video had put in a fun Agilent spin on it, so people went feral like it was some attempt at Agilent viral marketingDave.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 11:36:08 pm
content: Quote from: mux on July 12, 2012, 08:50:28 pmHence why I didn't give it an EEVblog episode number, as it's not my content.I though it was hilarious, so I decided to upload so others could enjoy it as well. If you didn't find it funny, well, that's fine, that's just you.That was the original quality from the phone, so it was that or nothing.With hindsight it's obvious why it would piss off those who already think I've been bought out by AgilentAnd of course I knew it was already going to piss off those who send me death threats over destroying multimetersDave.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 11:40:22 pm
content: Quote from: codeboy2k on July 12, 2012, 10:57:55 pmBecause they asked me nicely if I would please do so.As the content producer, it's their call, not mine.I did exactly what I would expect someone to do for me if it was my video and I asked for it taken down.Dave.

author: Scopeman1
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 12:02:04 am
content: I thought it was brilliant. Just loved that crunching sound!! Tek deserves to be crushed by the competition if Tek is still dressing up a short memory, noisy acquisition system that they introduced about 16years ago and selling it today with a few newer interfaces like USB etc for about $1,000, .... twice the price you can get a decent Tekway etc with colour screen, long memory etc. etc. From what I know of Tek repair costs, this would have been more to fix than buying a new other brand scope with a 3 year warranty (if they would have fixed something that old anyway and not tried to sell you a new one) .......... Get real folks and lighten up.

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 12:14:21 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 12, 2012, 11:36:08 pmSeriously??

author: TestBox
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 12:48:45 am
content: SERIOUSLY !!!!!!Those things were marvellous 15 years ago........ They are out-dated expensive door-stops today compared to what else is on the market now. As for heritage value I think Tek should distance themselves from this and extol the virtues of the 465. That was a REAL scope. What if the Land Cruiser drove over a broken 15yr old mobile phone... Would there be all this bitching and moaning? There's far more technology in the 15yr old phone.

author: TestBox
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 01:07:59 am
content: Agreed. They are more like a tank. But which Land Rover - the one you are driving 50% of the time or the one in for repair 50% of the time?Sorry Dave that was a bit off topic but couldn't resist...

author: mux
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 10:31:23 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 12, 2012, 11:36:08 pmI honestly didn't get the 'eevblog being bought out by agilent' comments... is that really a thing? Are people also accusing you of selling your soul to Fluke? I mean, there's a difference between fanboyism and actual arguments for the quality of equipment. Agilent and Fluke for that matter both just make excellent quality gear... you usually go into great depth on why you like the products... Ah well.Anyway, back ontopic: For me it was just jarring to see out of place content is what I was trying to say. On youtube, people subscribe to you expecting a certain quality and style of content. If this were up on a channel posting mostly this kind of content, it wouldn't have gotten a tenth of the negative attention, even with the same number of subscribers. It doesn't matter if you think it was funny or you liked the video, it was out of place. Most 'popular' youtubers who want to do something different set up a separate channel to do so, because this isn't the first time this kind of shitstorm happened. I don't like to see the channels I like to make these kinds of mistakes, it breaks the experience for me.Although, it doesn't usually lead to less attention or subscribers. If anything, negative attention is a potent way to gain viewers

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 10:49:10 am
content: Quote from: mux on July 13, 2012, 10:31:23 amUnfortunately its true. I get comments all the time that I've "sold out" to whoever.They are as clueless as their commentsQuoteYep, fair call, I think you are right. I didn't really think before uploading. With hindsight it should have gone on my Altzone channel. Or maybe should have added some context commentary in my style before showing the clip at the end.Dave.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 02:26:33 pm
content: Quote from: GK on July 13, 2012, 12:56:48 amThat would be the biggest danger of this video.. Toyota not wanting to see thier name associated with something like tek ..

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 02:44:57 pm
content: What do you mean a Landy is a half and half car. I used to drive one that was affectionately known as a weekend vehicle. The security at the dealership though I worked there, as i would take it up the ramp instead of waiting for the service lane, that is when it did not arrive on a tow truck. Never anything major, just the little things, like leaks, burst pipes, blown engines, faulty lights, faulty seats, and other minor quibbles. At least it was not a Freelander, the first gen of them had some major issues.