Recommend a Soldering Station Please - Page 1
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author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 08:52:02 am
content: Hello. Iv been using a Dremel Versa Tip Butane Soldering Iron for a while ( Its been very handy) Now the Catalyst has worn out and they are hard to get a hold of and they are expensive :-(Im looking at replacing it with a wired soldering iron with temp control and if the price is right a hot air gun.I know for a decent bit of kit you are looking at a fair few £ but I only have a small budget of £50. Thanks

author: Avacee
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timestamp: September 09, 2017, 10:40:08 am
content: I went from a butane soldering iron to one of these and am very happy with it and the difference is staggeringhttps://www.pcb-soldering.co.uk/aoyue-937-soldering-station.htmlAdd in a tip set and that's your budget:https://www.pcb-soldering.co.uk/soldering-iron-tips-aoyue-conical-chisel-bevel.htmlHave used a Hakko FX-888 at a makerspace and will be upgrading sometime - You definitely get what you pay for there

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 09, 2017, 03:10:47 pm
content: That does look good Avacee. How accurate are the temps on it?

author: Avacee
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timestamp: September 09, 2017, 03:40:03 pm
content: Couldn't say with a high degree (no pun intended!) of accuracy as I don't have a tester but on mine 345 will be in the ballpark and can then tweak up and down a bit.

author: stj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 04:10:18 pm
content: try cleaning the catalytic end of your butane thing with a solvent,i used to have a butane iron and there was a tar-like byproduct that used to build up.

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 04:53:27 pm
content: Thanks stj but the catalyst is beyond saving. Iv ordered a cheap butane soler iron hoping that I can use the catalyst in that to repair the Versatip

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:28:30 am
content: Quote from: Avacee on September 09, 2017, 10:40:08 amIf you are going Aoyue, buy genuine Hakko tips. You'll be floored by the difference and Hakko tips last pretty much forever if you don't abuse them.

author: Assafl
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:52:00 am
content: I've seen older Metcals go for a wee bit over 50E (usually around 100$). There was an MX500 power base for about 50$ not so long ago.I think it is a cut above most I've ever used (albeit I liked JBC as well but couldn't find one at a decent price). Also heard (but not from experience) Ersa Icon and some Pace are excellent.When I was a kid I saved up my allowance and bought a Weller W60P (I think there was a 40W version at the time). It had interchangeable tips and was extraordinarily powerful (compared to the Antex my father had). It got lost somewhere in the last 30 years.... Obviously Metcal MX500 is much faster....I'd wait for one of those rather than go China... I tried a Tenma and couldn't do it. I hate it when they stick to the board... Drives me insane...

author: KL27x
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 09:20:36 am
content: +1 on genuine Hakko tips if you use a Hakko clone.I have been using chinese T12 tips, and they don't compare in the level of finish to my Hakko T18 tips. The better ones are more than decent, but the QC is lacking.Chinese BCF3#1 is not so bad, other than a big notch and a finish that is ridged like a soup can.#2 is a trainwreck. This is brand new, unused:There are chips in the chrome all the way around the face, but this spot is the worst. The cracks go farther up, so I expect a lot more chrome to fall off after the first couple of uses. It looks like the tip took a big impact that made it flare out at this spot. I might have blamed shipping/handling, except the sealed plastic bag and factory tinning on the face of the tip are both pristine and unblemished.Genuine Hakko T18 CF3:You can see where the chrome wears away, but mind that this is the exact spot that has been dragged across perhaps 280,000 thousand IC pins in 4 years. The rest of the tip is pristine (a little dirty, though)

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 06:27:45 pm
content: Iv been looking at these twohttp://www.circuitspecialists.eu/soldering/soldering-stations/csi-8786d-desoldering-hot-air-rework-station-with-50w-soldering-iron/http://www.circuitspecialists.eu/soldering/soldering-stations/csi-premier75w-digital-temperature-controlled-solder-station-with-75w-soldering-iron/Anyone have any experience with these? Thanks

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:34:56 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 12, 2017, 06:27:45 pmThe latter one has features that are really nice.And based on external appearance, it seems better made (hopefully a properly sized transformer).I'm also a fan of separate units, as you can use one to fix the other (even if one tool is still working, you don't want to solder on live circuits).The858Dwould be a viable hot air station on the low-end of the price spectrum (a lot of members use them). There's an858D+, which adds 3 presets (~3GBP more, shipped).

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 06:15:03 am
content: While reading up on these Iv seen a few post about some clones not being oroperly earthed. Are there any popular clones that are like this and what needs to be checked and fixed? Thanks

author: Towger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 07:05:33 am
content: He won't get a MX500 Metcal in the UK on ebay for his budget. Getting the MX500 base alone for £60 is good going, a SP200 with handle might possible for £50. There are quality European brands such as JBC, ERSA I-Con and of course endless Weller models etc.OP, you should PM Toploser, he is always getting customer returns and selling them off for a good price when he runs out of space!

author: woody
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 08:55:56 am
content: https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.htmlFits your budget, and can be fed with a battery or power supply. Do not own it myself, but a friend of mine seems very happy with it. At least with the portable part.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 09:25:47 am
content: These are pretty damn good for the price.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/138x88x38mm-Digital-Soldering-Iron-Station-Temperature-Controller-EU-Plug-Temperature-180-435-Degrees-T12-Handle/32692999653.htmlyou could throw a genuine Hakko T12 tip on it if you want, but the knife tip it comes with is actually pretty good.

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 01:30:50 pm
content: Thanks for the recommendations. Would prefer ordering from the UK mind as I need it pretty soon and I dont want to mess with the returns if it bought from China. I think I will do that Towger. Thanks

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2017, 10:48:43 pm
content: Any more recommendations for me?

author: eugenenine
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timestamp: September 16, 2017, 11:03:16 pm
content: Hako 951This forum talked me into going up to the 951 instead of the 888 and it was a good choice.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 16, 2017, 11:46:28 pm
content: Quote from: eugenenine on September 16, 2017, 11:03:16 pmI went from a real 936 to the 951. No comparison. I didn't need a better soldering iron, I just wanted a better soldering iron. TEquipment.net EEVBlog discount made it affordable for the budget I had.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2017, 12:40:48 am
content: Another vote for theHakko FX-951.Link is for Batterfly, which sells it for 279EUR before VAT (least expensive source in the EU/UK market I'm aware of). Add a couple of tips or so to reach the 300EUR mark, and the shipping is free.

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 17, 2017, 08:15:00 am
content: Thanks. But like my OP says my budget is £50.

author: 4CX35000
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timestamp: September 17, 2017, 08:33:38 am
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 17, 2017, 08:15:00 amAt £50 then you can look at one of the cheap Katsu 936D soldering iron stations on eBay which go for around £25 to £30. Your not going to get a £400 pound quality Weller which many clowns seem to enjoy comparing these iron's with on this forum or doing some daft YouTube video, but still, the Katsu 936D and other similar models do provide reasonable results for the price and ideal for those with a tight budget and want a full solder station.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KATSU-936-Digital-Electronic-Soldering-Rework-Station-60W-312087-/292130123261?_trksid=p2349526.m2548.l4275If you want a ordinary iron then you can look at the Antex range on eBay which cost £20 upwards and in the past I have used the Antex digital controlled TCS230 which cost £69 when a colleague bought it and I thought it provided good results for the price. He was impressed for home use and he is someone who uses a £800 solder station everyday.

author: woody
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timestamp: September 17, 2017, 10:04:40 am
content: I must have an RS-components soldering station somewhere:http://nl.rs-online.com/web/p/soldering-stations/0186719/I got it as a gift years ago. Still in the original packing and never used, as I expected it not to be in the same league as the JBC on my desk. God knows where I stacked it, but if you're interested I can take a look :-)I'll trade it for a good quality bench multimeter.Paul

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 17, 2017, 12:21:18 pm
content: Thanks for the offer Woody but I dont have anything to trade

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2017, 07:56:10 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 17, 2017, 08:15:00 amMy appologies, got side tracked.Given your budget, I'd still go with one of the KSGER T12 stations available on Aliexpress (example), and add a stand for the iron (examples). Possible to get both shipped within your budget.Regarding the station, I've ignored kits as I've no idea if you've an iron at all. If you do however, you could give one a go to save even further on funds.As per a stand, I'd actually recommend a Hakko 633-01 as it's not nearly as prone to falling over and will last you the rest of your life (this version also includes the 599B brass wool tip cleaner). If you're unable or unwilling to go this route, you could add some weight to the bottom of a cheapie to reduce the chances of it falling over.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2017, 08:01:12 pm
content: I'd go with the Aoyue 937 station already mentioned if you want a new one. However note that the company who sell them regularly have stock problems on parts.If you can go £10 more there are usually Weller PS2/PS3 stations on eBay. They are much better and you can get parts and tips next day from RS without having to wait for some backwater shite merchant to ship it half way round the planet.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2017, 08:32:34 pm
content: Used definitely opens up other possibilities.Weller WTCP 51Weller PU81Weller PU-2DOP: the first and third stations listed useCurie Pointtemp control (i.e. the tip sets the temperature).

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2017, 09:05:29 pm
content: My main iron is a WTCP 51. Highly recommended. Eats up any job I throw at it. I paid full whack from Farnell for that (£205) last year. This replaced the PS2 I had for the last 20 years. Had the original tip. There was nothing wrong with the PS2, it was just tatty and the transformer buzzed a little because it was getting old. Still working though.My father used a PU-2 until last year when he gave up. Same one he bought in the 1970s. Great investment.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2017, 09:44:45 pm
content: Quote from: woody on September 13, 2017, 08:55:56 amI bought a TS100 myself a few weeks ago. I would hesitate to recommend it as a "Soldering Station" in this context as it is an iron on its own, no stand and it needs a (3 pin) laptop supply (as close to 24V as possible for maximum wattage), or a bench supply to power it too. On its own it is around £49 from UK sellers, cheaper from China of course, as the above link.That said, it has very impressive warm up time and more or less instant response to thermal loads, especially with Ben Brown's revised firmware. I run mine at 24V (around 65W output) and it's quite uncanny to see such a tiny iron handling large joints so easily.As a second iron I wouldn't hesitate but as a first....

author: stj
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 01:44:50 am
content: banggood had the TS100 on special for £30 the other day.

author: woody
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 06:31:22 am
content: Quote from: Gyro on September 17, 2017, 09:44:45 pmDon't get me wrong, I absolutely agree with you. But the OP asked for a replacement of a butane soldering iron with temp control for a budget of £50. I think the TS100 fits that. It certainly surpasses the butane iron that costs 3 times as much, has no temperature control, a nasty exhaust that fries adjacent parts and often refuses to work outside when cold.IMO any 'first' soldering station that survives switching on on Monday morning and switching off again on Friday afternoon will set you back at least a couple of hundred euros. I'm still paying the mortgage for the JBC on my desk

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2017, 07:52:46 am
content: I very much appreciate all the recommendations :-)I think I have narrowed it down to a choice of 4?Aoyue 937https://www.pcb-soldering.co.uk/aoyue-937-soldering-station.htmlhttp://uk.farnell.com/tenma/21-10130-uk-eu/rework-station-900w-220v-uk-eu/dp/2062633Apparently this is a rebadged Atten 8502d. I can get this in 2nd hand for a good pricehttp://www.circuitspecialists.eu/csi-premier75w-digital-temperature-controlled-solder-station-with-75w-soldering-iron/http://www.circuitspecialists.eu/soldering/soldering-stations/csi-8786d-desoldering-hot-air-rework-station-with-50w-soldering-iron/Think this is also Atten rebadged

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2017, 09:31:48 am
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 07:52:46 amI have exerience of the Tenma soldering iron (only) station...http://uk.farnell.com/tenma/21-10115-uk/soldering-station-60w-220v-uk/dp/2064549The iron part looks the same and they use the same tips. The thermal coupling between the element and tip isn't good. It has trouble melting joints unless you wind the temperature up.@woody:QuoteYou have a good point there, as a replacement for a butane one (which presumably also doesn't have a stand etc.) it is a far superior replacement (availability of mains adaptor / battery pack permitting).

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 12:06:10 pm
content: Iv been reading a lot about the cheaper stations having poor thermocoupling. Isnt there a small mod that can be done to help?

author: Gyro
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 01:23:49 pm
content: Some people have had some success by packing the air gap between the ceramic element rod and the surrounding tip with foil or copper grease but it's not ideal.I't basically a tolerancing issue on the cheaper irons I think. The Tenma and similar use the element resistance for temperature sensing rather than a thermocouple, so poor thermal coupling translates to an artificially low tip temperature relative to the element.I'm not an expert on these things but I think Hakkos etc use a thermocouple. Anything with the element permanently integrated into the tip - T12 etc.(and TS100) have much closer thermal coupling and are thermocouple temperature sensed, the downside is more expensive tips(/elements) but not a big issue.Someone with more specific knowledge will be able to say which of your list are thermocouple sensed.EDIT: For context, when I talked about the Tenma iron struggling to melt joints, that was in comparison with my venerable old 45W Weller TCP.

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 02:00:35 pm
content: I do like the idea of the T12 tips.

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 02:16:01 pm
content: Strange that no one recommend ERSA...ERSA Pico 80W IronERSA Nano 80W IronERSA i-con 1 150W IronERSA i-con 2V 150W Iron and TweezersThe best you can get for the price. Smart station with standby features, the i-tool is excelent, tips have a very large lifespan, iron is light as a pen, easy to replace tips without shutdown or wait for cooldown, and final the tips are dirty cheap because they have no sensors on they (+/- 8€ per normal tip, but they also have 80€-120€ wick tips)Don't go cheap crap the price not justify against a Ersa pico or nano... Cheap station will perform bad, tips sucks, die faster and bad heat recovery. But there are some exceptions out there.TS100 is great iron i can tell it perform as well as high end irons, even the tiny tip have good a solder flow at very tip.If you can't raise your budget you can't go wrong with TS100 and you can get one in UK ebayMy collection:

author: stj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2017, 03:38:22 pm
content: Quote from: sn4k3 on September 18, 2017, 02:16:01 pmnot really, he said he has a £50 limit.

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2017, 03:45:38 pm
content: Thats true. I really like the look of the TS100 though. About £60 then I would need a decent PSU mind you? Not sure what to do?

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2017, 03:48:32 pm
content: Hmm. Notice there is a "New Upgraded" TS100https://www.amazon.co.uk/Programmable-Pocket-size-Soldering-Interface-Acceleration/dp/B072Z9B9YS/ref=pd_cp_107_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TE9HR79ST536DR1BJTHP

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2017, 03:56:54 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 02:00:35 pmBTW, I certainly wouldn't argue with some others' advice about a second hand Weller TCP either. They have served me well at work and home for decades. Ifreallypushed on cost you can power one off a 24V 50W transformer (they need AC to preserve the 'Magnastat' contacts) until you find a matching base.

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 04:20:32 pm
content: It looks like the Upgraded version comes with a 19v UK power supply. Im close to buying this. The tips are a bit expensive mind?

author: Gyro
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 04:44:09 pm
content: It's about time they started selling the TS100s complete with power supplies. I see that one comes with both B2 (round point) and BC2 (round chisel) tips, probably the only ones you'll need. You can pick up other tips for around £9 inc. on ebay UK.I hate it when someone gets close to a buying decision based (in part at least) on my input!

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 04:45:45 pm
content: I take it the TS100 would be grounded then with the supplied UK PSU?

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 04:51:35 pm
content: Quote from: stj on September 18, 2017, 03:38:22 pm50£ very low to buy something good, possible but if buy tips or other acessories will always overpass, but theres an situation when you show other options he can decide to raise the budget if likes and justify the investmentQuote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 03:45:38 pmTS100 is a good to go, i have one and i use it over ERSA when i'm just to lazy to change the tips mutiple times in same rework and i can tell you it perform just as well otherwise i wouldn't use. You have the portabilty, you can use a battery to power it, good tips (i own them all, they are just a few).PSU you can use your 19VDC laptop charger, i have an 24V, the only difference will be the heat up time, you win a few seconds.Beware of fake power supply and cheap crap.PSU with earth connection is better since you can stay ESD safe, but it will work without it.Quote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 03:48:32 pmI doubt about that, that just marketing... What you got there is a different shell (Brown color, i have transparent you can buy them from china), a power supply, a extra tip and other accessories that you can discard or won't need anyway.TS100 is TS100 there aren't other model. Still is a good dealPSUs can be easly found on eBay

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 04:54:43 pm
content: For a complete tip information please see this article:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Replacement-Solder-Tip-For-TS100-Digital-LCD-Soldering-Iron-/182720381090There you can find all avaliable tips, their size and modelsI recomend the D24 tip for most of the worksActualy i found that heat times are bigger than actually is.My 24V 5A (120W) heat up to 350ºc in just 6s

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2017, 04:54:58 pm
content: Those Aliexpress Hakko T12 tip inspired clones (the ones with the rotary encoder) also have a longer exposed tip length than the original handles (HAKKO FM-2027/FM-2028)Threre are FM-2028 clone handles on Aliexpress as well, not sure about the wiring though that would be something to check.

author: stj
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 04:55:17 pm
content: the only thing upgraded is the firmware.you can do that yourself through the usb connector.https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html£38 from china.8 more than last week - never mind.

author: Gyro
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 04:58:19 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 04:45:45 pmThe tip is actually connected to the DC plug barrel via an internal 100nF capacitor so it is AC 'grounded' DC floating. The tip is directly connected to the little grounding screw just above the display (I see that the kit comes with a curly grounding cord to connect to it).On mine, I have bridged the internal 100nF capacitor (after ensuring that the DC output of my laptop supply is mains grounded) so my tip is mains grounded.The adaptor pictured has a 3 pin mains input, so I would assume (but would want to check carefully) that its output is grounded too.

author: Gyro
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 05:20:38 pm
content: FYI, these are the links you want to look at regarding Ralim's alternative TS100 Firmware:https://github.com/Ralim/ts100(Includes features and schematic)https://github.com/Ralim/ts100/releases(Firmware releases)https://github.com/Ralim/ts100/issues(Feature requests and issues)

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 05:30:45 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on September 18, 2017, 05:20:38 pm+1 on this

author: Gyro
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 05:41:48 pm
content: P.S. This somewhat quirky video (stick with it) includes a rather extreme teardown of the TS100 Tip!

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 05:44:12 pm
content: Watched that vid earlier Gyro. I think Im going to pull the trigger on the TS100. I will put the custom firmware on it. I also have a 3d printer and there are some decent Stands for the TS100 so Im just about to start printing one out :-)

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 05:56:43 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 05:44:12 pmMake sure you use ABS or annealed PLA for the stand

author: Gyro
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 06:00:24 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 05:44:12 pmYou might have the odd UK customer there.

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 06:08:13 pm
content: I only use PLA but I will try it for now sn4k3.No problem Gyro. If I can help I will

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 06:12:56 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 06:08:13 pmRegular PLA should work well, but not with all stands out there.I also dislike ABS, i use PETG.Original Prusa i3 MK2S user here

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 06:14:10 pm
content: Nice Printer. I would love one of those. Expensive. MP select Mini for me

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 06:19:31 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 06:14:10 pmIs nice but also not perfect, my is already all customized and improved.Creality3D CR-10 is a very good value or money and quality.MP select Mini is good too for low sized printsCurrently i'm bulding a HyperCube Evolution 3D PrinterMy prusa:

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 06:30:13 pm
content: Now you are showing off ;-)Yes the CR-10 looks good. Iv watched Tech2c's build on the Hypercube. Very Very nice machine.The Mini is good but it is small. My 1st printer so I am enjoying it

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 18, 2017, 07:42:28 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 18, 2017, 06:30:13 pmYeah, i'm also thinking in buy a mini just for small models, because big heatbad have some problems...My prusa after a month or more ruin all prints because PINDA probe set invalid Z compensation due bed deformation from time, heat and applyed force to remove objects. First layer was a pain, while center always work if move a bit outside center it start to unstick from bed.A custom firmware mod solve my problem allowing you to set 8 manual points for z compensation. Don't know why they don't push this mod to original firmware, many users use it and get better results than original calibration.The original firmware allow you to set 4 points, but thats not enought to fix the problem.As you can see even the expensive things can have problems and not perfect. The good thing about Prusa is the amount of resources and community

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 19, 2017, 05:54:20 am
content: Well. Iv went and done it. Bought the TS100 :-)Thanks for all the advice everybody. I will be posting a lot more on here

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 19, 2017, 11:34:39 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 19, 2017, 05:54:20 amNiceWrite your review after some testes

author: kPATm
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timestamp: September 20, 2017, 10:01:11 am
content: Never really written a review before but I will try. I have time off work for the next few weeks so I may give it a go Is there an Amperage limit to the PSU that can be used?

author: woody
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timestamp: September 20, 2017, 10:19:13 am
content: Not sure what you mean, but the TS100 is max 65W @ 24V. That means that for full power the PSU must be able to supply 65W/24V=2.7A If the PSU cannot meet that: no problem; the heat-up time will be longer.

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 20, 2017, 11:22:24 am
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 20, 2017, 10:01:11 amNo problem, just give your honest opinion, compare with you had before and how it perform. It will help other users in same situation as you to choose something.Max Amperage not a problem, you can have a 20A PSU, the iron will only draw what it needs and not more. I always recommend a PSU with 1A or 2A more than the device require, because most of the time specs are not real and also is bad to keep the PSU at limit all the time, it will die faster and will be hot, the more amps better colling need to have inside.In case your PSU don't meet the requirements is what woody saidEDIT: On amazon article they say PSU is 19V, but don't see any amp reference, so you need to check on label when you got it, better if you real check by measuring it. But for sure they include a PSU capable to deliver max power at 19V.At 19V iron can draw 40W, that means 40W/19V= +/- 2,11A. So the PSU should have 2.5A or more to be safe to get max wattage, but 2A will do the work as well

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 11:27:48 am
content: The TS100 comes with a PSU now but I have a 20v 2a Laptop battery I could use as a spare?

author: sn4k3
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timestamp: September 20, 2017, 11:36:07 am
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 20, 2017, 11:27:48 amYou can use any DC charger that fits the TS100 from 12V to 24V.That 20V 2A will deliver TS100 40W (20V * 2A)EDIT: That can perform worse that the 19V at 3A. Because the 20V PSU limit is already 40W and that can be actually lower.Better use 19V with a good Amp margin than a 20V at 2A limit.But you can test from cold start which PSU perform better

author: stj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 02:25:36 pm
content: the psu must be capable of supplying the required current or it will overheat.just to clarify.

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 01:37:52 pm
content: Well. I just took delivery of the TS100. Updated the firmware to Ralims version. Plugged the PSU in and nothing :-( No power at all. If I connect it to USB I get the CONFIG screen? Help Please

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 01:42:06 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 22, 2017, 01:37:52 pmIf you upgrade TS100 firmware and able to see config maybe the DC charger is bad. Can you test in another?

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 01:46:18 pm
content: I powered it up briefly before the update and it worked fine. Just after the update there appears to be no power. I have tried 2 different PSU's?

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 01:57:55 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 22, 2017, 01:46:18 pmSo if that happen with update maybe firmware fail, try to update again. On my PC it don't work with USB2 ports i had to use USB3 port. In other PCs all USB works just fine. Try to update again with other PC or port.If still happening please put the original firmware.To know if firmware was updated a file with .RDY extension must apear at TS100 root directory in DFU mode

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 02:00:45 pm
content: .RDY file appeared after the update. I just tried to power up again with another PSU and it seems to work now. I tried the provided PSU on a Laptop and it doesnt work. It looks like a faulty PSU?The only PSU I have its a 20v 2amp?

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 02:03:29 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 22, 2017, 02:00:45 pmIt can be, light and cheap crap chinesse psu are bad and not trustable. With a multimeter you can test for voltage, if <19V PSU is bad. Is there any light indicator for PSU?

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 02:07:06 pm
content: There is an indicator on the supplied PSU but I cant say I noticed if it was on when it did work for 2 minutes?

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 02:10:59 pm
content: Now you have one PSU you can use with it, you can order one and dedicated for the TS100.I recommend this one:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-DC-24V-5A-Power-Supply-Charger-Transformer-Adapter-AC110-240V-TO-DC24V-US-EU/32789733696.htmlWhen place order write UK on commentThat will give you the best result and is a high quality PSUYou can also complain with amazon seller and return the PSU for a new replacement, but i recommend buy your own. That already included PSU will be always a cheap crap to make the best profit

author: stj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 03:02:08 pm
content: firstly i think that psu has the wrong plug,it;s a 2.1mm center pin, isnt the TS100 a 2.5 center pin??second, any time you see a psu sold for led lighting, be carefull.they are usually regulated current instead of regulated voltage.perfect for leds - not for other applications.

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 03:12:41 pm
content: Yes the TS100 is a 2.5mm pin. I used a MM to test the voltage of the PSU and it is dead :-(I sent the Amazon seller a message about the fault. I dont want to return the Iron as that works fine ( hopefully) but I would hope to get a partial refund or something?I dont mind using the 20v 2amp PSU I have as long as its safe to do so?

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 03:19:09 pm
content: Quote from: stj on September 22, 2017, 03:02:08 pmIs TS100 is a common 5.5x2.5. I fixed my post with correct link.Have one of this and they are voltage regulated, tested with many loads, voltage always fixed. Beside this look original HP PSUs, they are heavy and specs are real. (Maybe used units from scravaging)

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 03:24:15 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 22, 2017, 03:12:41 pmAt max you have to send DC charger back. Or maybe you can open and repair, it can be a cap or a wire, happen to cheap psus many times.Seller will refund you a small value or send you a new psu. If sent by amazon you have to send it back and postage is refunded too.That 20V will work fine. If from a laptop it's safe to use

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 03:58:11 pm
content: Damn, that's bad luck!I guess as the TS100 manufacturer doesn't source a PSU as standard, the Amazon seller has probably mixed and matched something he has sourced himself. It could be marginal spec (not able to take the peak current), or just plain faulty.If you can get a partial refund from Amazon you may be better sourcing a second hand genuine laptop PSU cheaply on ebay, something like a genuine Lenovo or HP (I use an old HP one) that has a 3-pin mains connector.I'm using the latest F/W from Ralim's site (V1.17.1) and can confirm that it is working fine.I'm not sure what 20V 2A power supply you've got, it should be ok as long as its output doesn't collapse under the initial heat-up current. if it goes into current limit and dips too low (<12V) or goes into foldback protection then the CPU in the TS100 will go into reset.Do you have a bench PSU that you can use for now? If it's that that is 2A, then just wind down the voltage a little (say, 16V) so that the iron won't draw more than 2A.BTW. these are the 2.5 x 5.5mm connector and flexible Silicone cable that I am using on mine:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-Power-Plug-Socket-Male-Female-Barrel-Connector-Multiple-Sizes-Available-/292033926253?var=&hash=item43fe94146d:m:mUesRQQNWhwM4BtX-0CbALg(The Yellow higher current fork one)http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Twin-Core-Silicone-Rubber-Cable-2x0-4mm-Conductors-6amp-DC-Wiring-Cord-/152000411964?hash=item2363ee393c:g:eBcAAOSwll1W1cRUI hope you can get it sorted with the seller!EDIT: From a quick search, there are several second hand 18.5V / 19V / 20V HP / Dell / Toshiba / IBM PSUs on ebay for very little cash (you might want to try a few other search strings too). Worst case you need to change the DC output jack (as above) or better still, patch on the nice Silicone cable too...https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=genuine+laptop+psu&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=genuine+laptop+psu&_sacat=0

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 04:41:06 pm
content: I was actually purchased direct from SainSmart and the PSU is a labeled SainSmart also.Im using a MSI Wind laptop Battery at 20v 2amps. I do have a couple of IMB Laptop Batteries rated at 16v 4.5 ampsScratch that I just discovered that the IMB laptop charger is faulty as well. BUGGERGyro what barrel connector did you get5.5mm x2.5mm Long,short or forked?

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 05:12:04 pm
content: The Forked one. The length is correct and the forked inner connector gives a better, higher current, contact than the ordinary ones.P.S. For the <£1 price difference it's worth getting a couple of spares.

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 05:32:17 pm
content: Yip just bought 3 and 2m of cable. Just waiting on my 3d printed stand to finish

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 05:35:32 pm
content: Would I be better using the 16v 4.5 amp PSU?

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 05:44:07 pm
content: Yes, probably for now. The heating power will be lower but you will have the confidence of sufficient current capacity while you're checking that the iron itself is ok.Ultimately I would aim for areliable, ie, genuine laptop manufacturer, PSU for it. Don't forget to go for a 3 pin mains input one to ensure that it's output is grounded rather than being subject to Y-cap leakage. I know Lenovo do a 20V 90W one, probably other manufacturers too.

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 06:26:54 pm
content: Iv just ordered the connectors and cable. I will repair the IBM Think Pad PSU (16v 4.5amps) and use that. My only concern is opening the PSU to repair. They are a bit of a pain in the ass to openAre PSU like this properly grounded? It has the 3 pin mains but it only connects to a 2 pin on the actual PSU?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/For-ASUS-X5D-X5DC-X5DIJ-X50IJ-X5DIN-Laptop-Charger-AC-Adapter-19V-3-42A-65W-PSU-/292204433271?hash=item4408bdcf77:g:c5EAAOSwAYJZhLkW

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 06:54:40 pm
content: Avoid anything with 'For' in the title - that means it's a cheap Chinese clone!Go for one with a genuine laptop manufacturer label on it. Even if it's second hand, it will have been built to far higher standard. You'll probably get it cheaper too.As for repairing the IBM one, yes they are a bit of a pain to open - a bench vise or hammer are generally involved (there's a very recent thread on this). If you're not very careful and know exactly what you're doing, you can severely shock or electrocute yourself in the process! I really don't recommended it. If you're lucky it's just a broken DC output cable - try metering at the DC jack while flexing the cable at each end.I was referring to PSUs which have a 3 pin mains input connectors at the PSU (either IEC or 'cloverleaf') not 2 pin ones. In that case the output -ve (DC jack outer) should be grounded. You should be able to measure continuity between the mains input ground pin and the DC jack.EDIT:As an example of what you should be looking for...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-DELL-20V-2-5A-AC-ADAPTER-PA-8-ORIGINAL-LAPTOP-POWER-SUPPLY-PSU-OR334-/192311827979?hash=item2cc6ad9e0b:g:IPMAAOSw7NNT0q4IYou'll want to shorten the output cable and splice your nice flexible cable and plug anyway.Another example...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-HP-Laptop-AC-Adaptor-Charger-PSU-239427-001-239704-001-18-5V-3-5A-/302294060743?hash=item4662214ec7:g:XEAAAOSw5UZY~eig

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 07:06:36 pm
content: Im not buying the "For" Asus PSU it was just an example but thats actually a good bit of advice.Its just the connector on the IBM PSU thats broken. I will just splice the Flexible cable to it. Thanks

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 07:09:31 pm
content: Excellent, that'll save a bit of money then.

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 09:50:13 am
content: Well I finally managed to get the stand printed out. Got the 3d model from thingiverse and made some changes. It works well. Will probably add another section for a wet sponge

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 01:08:00 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 23, 2017, 09:50:13 amNice, the only thing is missing on that stand are lateral slots for place the tipsSomething like this:

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 02:19:25 pm
content: Thats a good idea. Im goin to redesign the stand later to accommodate a couple of suction pads. I will also add some tip holders as well.

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 03:09:52 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 23, 2017, 02:19:25 pmDon't forget to share

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 03:23:17 pm
content: Decided to just add some double sided sticky pads to the base. I also used an old drip tip for my vapes to the bottom of the Holder bracket. It works really well. Iron is nice and secure. I might leave the tip holder for now as I like how the Stand is nice and compact as it is. I dont really see me having more than 2 tips anyway?Do you want the .stl file to print for yourself?

author: stj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 04:12:19 pm
content: get some sticky-back felt pads from Rapid or Morrisons.maybe even Poundland.

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 04:26:16 pm
content: Iv already put some sticky pads on the base :-)

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 04:46:39 pm
content: Yes stl files would be nice or publish a remix at original model on thingyverse

author: kPATm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 05:27:43 pm
content: You will need to alter the Iron holder bracket to fit a nut at the bottom. Like I said I used an old drip tip to secure the iron. I could send you the .stl file if you like. Can I do it by Pm?

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 06:58:53 pm
content: Quote from: kPATm on September 23, 2017, 05:27:43 pmSure, please send.Thank you

author: labjr
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 07:38:16 pm
content: Quote from: sn4k3 on September 18, 2017, 04:54:43 pmI'm wondering how the TS100 irons are working out for everyone. Are the tips good quality and do they last? Has anyone compared the TS100 performance and tip quality to those cheap T12 stations that are for sale all over the place?

author: sn4k3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 02:10:21 am
content: Quote from: labjr on March 19, 2018, 07:38:16 pmFor me so far has been greatand tips are better than cheap t12 clone tips, mine t12 tips go dark/oxidized very fast at 350ºc. TS100 fells a lot better in terms of performance. Thats only my opinion

author: stj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 11:45:43 am
content: i have been using the same T12 clone tip for a year now and it's not oxidised - infact it's in very good condition.exellent considering i paid about €3 for it!!!

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 12:32:47 pm
content: Same with T12 tips. Quickco ones are good at least. I run them at 370 constantly.