What is the story behind " BRYMEN Tecnologies"  DMM products ??  - Page 1
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author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2011, 06:35:41 pm
content: Just found a video on youtube about the Brymen TMB867 50.000 counts / 500.000 on DC,the device looks interesting and most of all fast.That jumped my curiosity, and the new question are who those folks are ?Looks like Taiwan to be their home base, their web site looks like childish playing ground,even so I like to know more about them.Write what eve you know about them.http://www.brymen.com/product-html/cata860/Bm860s.htm

author: Kibi
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 05, 2011, 06:50:35 pm
content: Ye, I saw that video a few days ago. I subscribe to Martin's channel, so I've seen them in his other video's. I was quite curious myself, never heard of them before.Website is a bit lame, but the meter seems pretty good.

author: McMonster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2011, 06:56:26 pm
content: I've heard a lot about this brand of meters on Polish forums and it's commonly regarded as one of the best brands for the prices they have. Some of the meters reach high prices, but not as high as Fluke, starting from around 80 USD for the cheapest devices. The web page suprised me (in a negative way), but I'm still considering buying one.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2011, 06:58:39 pm
content: Was discussed here at least two times in the past.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2011, 07:04:49 pm
content: Well I am not good in discussions, and so I had emailed them a request for one sample of the MB-867 or 869, 50.000 counts.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2011, 08:13:52 pm
content: More optimistic news about BRYMEN .. they are alive and soon heading at the largest probably Taiwanese Exhibition.October 10-13 2011TAITRONICShttp://www.taitronics.tw/en_US/exh/info.html?id=4E855AD884CAA37FD0636733C6861689

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2011, 08:28:19 pm
content: Some more Taiwanese boys from the industry will be there too.APPAhttp://www.appatech.com/appa_index.php100,000 counts ( new model )INSTEKtoo ...http://www.gwinstek.com/en/index.aspxDER EEhttp://www.deree.com.tw/digital-multimeter.htmA sum of about 20 companies.Check that out : TYPE K TEMP. CALIBRATION CHECKERhttp://www.lutron.com.tw/ugC_ShowroomItem_Detail.asp?hidKindID=1&hidTypeID=10&hidCatID=&hidShowID=94&hidPrdType=&txtSrhData=Great idea.. Dave ask for a sample !!You do not have such a tester.

author: PetrosA
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2011, 11:47:22 pm
content: Their DMMs seem like what's branded here as Greenlee. Their B110M has the exact same specs and battery (CR2032) as my Greenlee DM-450.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2011, 03:35:58 am
content: Petros take a big breath, and click on the picture

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2011, 05:56:39 am
content: I like to thanks Mr. Gary Wang, Product Marketing Manager of Brymen Technologies, for accepting my invitation to visit the EEV Blog,and offer to me one of their latest DMM models for review.And actually oneBT-869500.000 counts True RMS.The unit will be shipped soon, but this details its not important for the moment.I bet that this will be a great new experience for both sides.For the Greek members of EEV they can read the full story here.http://www.hlektronika.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=59081There is no need to say how happy I am about it, finally something fresh and new for review !!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 07, 2011, 06:08:40 am
content: Good to see Brymen coming to the show and offering a unit for review, well done!Dave.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2011, 06:20:07 am
content: Thanks Dave ...I feel very optimistic about the BT-860 family of models, and Brymen looks to feel the same too.

author: zaoka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2011, 02:10:49 pm
content: Can we expect a video???

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2011, 06:06:30 pm
content: Quote from: zaoka on October 07, 2011, 02:10:49 pmNot yet.For now I will keep doing damage with my pen and my Olympus digital camera.It looks that the written reviews are still powerful up to a point,mostly because you can distribute them, by printing them.But no one said that you can not have both !! and this translates to that the reviewer have to do a double amount of work .In this case I will start the videos as soon I receive some true support from sponsors.http://www.legend.com.au/product/BM869

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2011, 03:56:38 pm
content: Oups ... I had accidentally send a Facebook New friend request, to the President CEO of Brymen !!Brymen is also on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/BRYMEN.TechnologyI had started to explore the Brymen Data Logger software,and even got a picture of it, for any one who cares to see how it looks like.Functionality and stability will be part of the review too.There is several indications that behind the PC connectivity solution,are the TaiwaneseBTChttp://www.btc.com.tw/english/index.htmIt is very known to Greece at list, about computer related products.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2011, 05:38:47 pm
content: The communication with Brymen have be restored.It will come with PC connectivity KIT, and it will be shipped with EMS soon.So far .. so good !

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2011, 12:20:23 pm
content: Got the EMS tracking code today.About their Data logging software , Brymen have a policy,to offer the communication protocol to users, to write their own application software.And this translates to: That the supplied software are very basic in comparison with the specific DMM capabilities.I am not a software expert ( programmer), but even so I had request more info about that subject.If there is out there any third-party applications about it, it would be nice to be aware about them..

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2011, 12:54:59 pm
content: The BM869 DMM unit landed to Athens Greece yesterday 24/10, I bet that it is a matter of 2-3 days until actually getting it !!About the communication protocol.Here is a copy of it........and I got the permission of BRYMEN so to freely distribute it.Useful for people who loves to play with programing !!

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2011, 01:09:41 pm
content: If they are using a standard serial port to transit data to the pc it;s fairly easy to write the software.I have done so for a cheap V&A DMM (also made it communicate with an arduino with SD card shield and log events to a 1 Gb SD card. It could log without a pc for a week or so...).Is there any link with the protocol?Alexander.Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on October 20, 2011, 12:20:23 pm

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2011, 01:13:01 pm
content: Just added the files for download, knock your self out !!

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2011, 01:23:47 pm
content: Yep, it sends data in similar way V&A 18B does. It states though it is a 1.1 HID device not a serial port.Alexander.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2011, 01:32:13 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on October 25, 2011, 01:23:47 pmHere is the download link about software for the Brymen products.The BM860-Bs86x-V6002s-use-BC86X-Win7.zipIs their current Data logger release. ( I have a picture of it at page 2)http://www.brymen.com/product-html/software-download/

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2011, 10:44:13 pm
content: The journey of the Brymen unit did not ended yet, some delay added due the strikes of the public sector in Greece.The current predictions are: +3 days from today.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2011, 03:00:27 pm
content: Delivery Status update.The Delivery Status stays frozen from the 25 of October that the packaged landed to Greece and entered at the customs for inspection.That is 9 days so far , exuding the national holiday at 28 and the week end, a total of six working days stays frozen.No other predictions.At list it is safe with lots of Greeks around it.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 03, 2011, 03:55:42 pm
content: Dear Kiriakos:--Now that you are the undisputed Multimeter King of the European Area Of Operations, perhaps you and the Australian Multimeter King could get together at some point. Say, the Metrahit factory, for instance. Also, it would be nice to see a video of the two of you together. Maybe the both of you could do a Tag Team Multimeter shoot out. It could happen."A decent boldness ever meets with friends."Homer HadjipapakostandinopoulosJan 12, 801 BCE - 13 Jul, 866 BCEBest RegardsClear Ether

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2011, 06:32:33 pm
content: Well I would love to have the chance to tease the Australian king from the distance of 10 centimeters away.And give a hag to Sagan, that is more good looking than him.But not in Germany, its too cold for him at the specific season.But if he is willing I have all the proper tools ready ... LOL

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2011, 04:13:24 pm
content: After of our entertaining break , time for some true news.Even Brymen started to worry about this delay, and they did contact me.Last tracking report : it past customsNov/04/2011 12:01 Dutiable or non-dutiable NONDUTIABLE

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2011, 09:46:30 pm
content: More news ... the Brymen BM 898 came to Europe dressed as GreenLee DT860A , and it is shown up at the Conrad store in Germany.Retails at 341 Euros with the VAT.http://www.conrad.com/websale7/?Ctx={ver%2f7%2fver}{st%2f3ec%2fst}{cmd%2f0%2fcmd}{m%2fwebsale%2fm}{s%2fconrad-int%2fs}{l%2fint%2fl}{tpl%2fint%2ftpl_read_prod_rating.htm%2ftpl}{p1%2f2f0cccedf8dee9f08f3f4d94dcb28466%2fp1}{md5%2fc4d650ea9364bc2cde8330f5248f7def%2fmd5}&act=product&prod_index=127173&cat_index=SHOP_AREA_17622_1101010&otp1=tablink2Not in stock, available from 08.12.2011

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 03:17:21 pm
content: Arrival ... just 15 minutes ago.Enjoy ..

author: ErikTheNorwegian
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 04:22:38 pm
content: Way cool!But i see that the software don't specify W7 so do it work on W7 32 and 64 bit?Vista is "close" close but i struggle with some USB specific drivers that's wanna fight W7 64 bit...

author: ElektroQuark
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 04:24:42 pm
content: Are you afraid of opening the boxes?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 04:45:33 pm
content: Poor Brymen, another victim had fallen.Dear Brymen representative, I assume you can read this, if you want someone to review your product, at least you should know that the reviewer is not in the ignore list at so many members around here.Whats the point for all of these buzz if your product is not getting enough exposure here ?This is just a big waste of your company's time, effort and your product, you better send it to someone else that has a good reputation and well known for his/her knowledge and skill, not just some freebie from the internet.

author: zaoka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 05:08:32 pm
content: Take it aapart!!!!

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 05:52:12 pm
content: Quote from: zaoka on November 07, 2011, 05:08:32 pmNot yet ..Its like a new car, in the begging you have to find how the gear lever works, and where is hidden the damn astray ..Where is the lights switch .. etcIts a huge unit, just a bit smaller than a Fluke 28II .The LCD light its more powerful than flashlight.The 500,000 counts mode, its wonderful and its damn accurate.The test leads are truly well made , silicon and soft rubber everywhere.The test leads cables speaking about diameters and softness, are 100% comparable with the Fluke TL71 that does not come as standard tests leads.The test leads tips are gold plated, and can be easily modified to work as:1) totally exposed2) covered with insulator caps (1000V measurements)3) They get converted to banana plugs by additional screw on the tips accessories.About the last one I was feel envy for long time about the Gossen Metrawatt test leads, but the Brymen offer all those choices, in a single set.You have my promise to post 2-3 good images prior my full review, that needs as usual the 30 days test stress time.

author: metalphreak
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 06:16:17 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on November 07, 2011, 04:45:33 pmThis made me laugh. He has plenty of knowledge and skill. Have you not read his Agilent U1272A review? He found out about a product he was interested in and made contact with the company. I'm sure his review of the Brymen unit will be thorough and informative. If he's willing to do the legwork to get a sample for the review, then good for him!

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 06:29:40 pm
content: Quote from: metalphreak on November 07, 2011, 06:16:17 pmYou call that a decent review ? Ha..ha.. I feel sorry for you.I guess you rarely hang around this forum, do you ? Just show me any quality post that he made in discussing electronic topic, just pick any subject, I guess you will not find any, rather than tons spamming/bragging and junk posts that annoyed so many members here.It seems like you are not getting what my point is rather than just the last paragraph, suggesting you to read again.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 07:02:32 pm
content: Dear BravoV after all those efforts to attract my attention, I believe that you, and everyone who thinks like you,worth's an crystal clear answer.Your messages helped me to realize, and imagine the amount of envy that some people will feel even for Dave Jones,because he managed to get some recognition, due his hard work that he did so far.And honestly I am not afraid to have my share of this envy in the form of attacks from keyboard fighters.I forgive your arrogance , because you are not the first one who is unable to evaluate properly the text that he reads.From the other side of the coin, be my guest to show to us your personal arsenal of expertise's, and be rewarded if you worth it.Currently with your behavior you are not cause damage to me, you just injure the EEV community, that I love - respect and care about it.Be more cautious from now and on, this is all that I am asking.

author: ElektroQuark
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 07:15:24 pm
content: Kiriakos: You are so blind!Please, review your history in this and other forums, do you thing the rest of the world is really all that wrong with you?I really really don't understand you.But, of course, me, and others, are the wrong people.I like some of your reviews but we do not deserve your general behavior. I'm sorry.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 07:18:02 pm
content: Dear Metalphreak:--If I were you, I would be vewee vewee careful about about who I disagweed with on this forum. Already I see the baleful eyes of the dreaded ones, turning your way. They do not wike it when people disagwee with them.You might make them vewee vewee angwee. And then they might start trying to wooun your weputation, plus trying to put they kibosh on any deals you may have going. Just think what they might do to that waskally wabbit if the ever catch him. Be vewee vewee afwaid."He was born ignorant, and has been losing ground ever since." Fred Allen 1894 1956Best RegardsClear Ether

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 12:52:54 am
content: Here it is three high quality pictures, as I had promised.DC reference source 10V .1) LCD back light off2) LCD back light on ( yes the Fluke is on too)3) a bit of more zoomed.No editing - no re size.In thirty days the full review about it.

author: PetrosA
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 03:10:39 am
content: Kiriakos, this looks like it's probably from the company that makes the Greenlee meters sold here. I would recommend testing the LCD response in cold temperatures since all the Greenlees I've owned had problems with the LCD at low (below ~14C) temperatures.

author: ErikTheNorwegian
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 06:44:26 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on November 07, 2011, 06:29:40 pmDear BravoVI`m so new to this forum, so i haven't hang around so long that i know all the history.Could You be so kind that You could direct me to You articles with test or reviews(Or any other deeply thoughts) on this or other forum so that i could nourish from You wisdom and well writen test?peace and love and with a open mind.Best regardsErik

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 09:59:25 am
content: Quote from: PetrosA on November 08, 2011, 03:10:39 amHigh Peter , this an easy test, We have winter here.Even so the given specifications are that this unit is for indoor use only.But yes, what if some company called you to do an electrical repair on large professional refrigerators for fruits maintenance ?Yes I will investigate this factor too.

author: Cj1corbystarlet
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 10:27:42 am
content: Ok guy's my review of this meter is based in viewing one picture posted by Kiriakos-GR all credits to him for the picture and i hope he does not mind me re-posting it in my forum reply.Designers of equipment please note !!If you going to produce equipment that pushes the boundaries with 50 million gizillion counts per nano second... more power to you girlfriend.... BUT....But look at the image of the 3 meters side by side FLUKE and AGILENT have it bang on the money ...... Put the name and model of the meter on top of the display where all users will be focused on 99% of the time in full view, don't bury the name and model number below the jack pins where 99% of the time they will be covered by a cigarette packet or the test leads !Proudly displaying PC-COMM in bigger lettering than the make or model number is basically a dumb ass move, in a product recognition test if you flashed this pic to a person on the street and asked "who makes it " id expect to get back a large reply "PC-COMM", not smart IMHOAlso the Screen looks nice and snazzy but , ok i know that the three meters are all connected to a 10v DC reference, FLUKE is bang on the money display "DC" near a "V" , why do meter producers have little squiggly lines to represent dc, yes i know its a standard but if your a tech working on machinery in low light with the meter laying on it side and your concentrating on holding 2 probes on live contacts ( my self 415V and above) the less time you spend trying to decipher a Wank factor display means the less time you draw your eyes and attention away from a dangerous situation, in trying not to slip and touch live components or buss bars, it makes the time frame smaller to expose your self to dangers whilst taking the reading.If your going to give all the hard to decipher crap on the display, put it in a rectangular box stick rubber feet on it and call it a bench-top meter.I would like it if the meter designers would send out pre-production meters to my self and i'd give them a no holes barred assesment if the product was fit for release to the public either i highly recommend the product as "suitable/desirable" or for them to send the Piece of Poo back to the design team and tell them to fix it.Ahh i feel better nowBen

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 11:06:44 am
content: Quote from: Cj1corbystarlet on November 08, 2011, 10:27:42 amHi Ben, every good rant helps to feel better afterward ... I knowThe pictures of it, in contrast with the other meters, serves only one purpose, the evaluation of the dimensions.What I am trying to do with my reviews, are to discover the TRUE bang-per-buck multimeters !!

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 11:08:39 am
content: Quote from: Cj1corbystarlet on November 08, 2011, 10:27:42 amWhile your manners are admirable, it doesn't matter a fig whether he minds or not, after all it not his forum despite any delusions he may be experiencing at the time.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 02:38:34 pm
content: Ah, finally some good news from Greece in all this mess.Good reviews promote product awareness to the reader/community, provide exposure to the reviewer, offer unique insight to the manufacturer and generate traffic for the host. With this in mind, you cannot have a bad review, only mediocre ones. Everyone wins.You did a good job with the Agilent Kyriako, looking forward for the review and to more good news!

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2011, 03:35:12 pm
content: To Peterit did past the test ... I left it out in the cold for more than 40 minutes with the Agilent U1272A.As soon both meters was frozen at 8C +/- 1 , I got the Brymen inside and:1) connect it to my Bench PSU , and I was raising and decreasing the DC voltage 1-35V , its was fast andresponsiveall the way.2) tested the accuracy when it was frozen, stable and all.Check the pictures, they have EXIF files, the time stamp speaks by it self.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 22, 2011, 09:27:46 pm
content: Quote from: PetrosA on November 08, 2011, 03:10:39 amThere seem to be a whole bunch of these identical layout 500,000 count meters sold under many brands.Dave.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2011, 02:30:30 pm
content: All that I can tell so far, about this specific latest version , are that there is some Japanese & Taiwanese R&D involved.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2011, 01:33:43 am
content: Ahh another blast of enthusiasm.Today I got this nice function generator, and now I have the power to investigate for good the frequency range plus the data cycle.And my first discovery is that Brymen lies in the specs of 1MHz max frequency, this goes to OL above the 7.39999MHz LOL yea it does ..(The generator is a bit off on the LCD counter at MHz, but its not my so to worry about it)

author: PetrosA
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2011, 03:17:00 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on December 09, 2011, 01:33:43 amAre you sure that the 1 MHz doesn't refer to AC voltage measurements?

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 10, 2011, 08:08:25 pm
content: What's the amplitude, 0.6 Vrms? The bandwidth of a frequency counter is usually specified as the frequency where the sensitivity drops below the acceptable minimum, this does not mean it can't go higher if you feed it enough signal.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2011, 08:22:58 pm
content: At my understanding the 0,6V are needed so to trigger the multimeter to read 100kHz.