Inventor of Fuzzy Logic dies, more or less. - Page 1
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author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 04:40:36 am
content: http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/08/12/531553/iran-lofti-zadeh-fuzzy-logicAI researcher Lotfi Aliasker Zadeh, Fuzzy logic founder, has passed away

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 04:56:20 am
content: R.I.P.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 08:19:31 am
content: Bit unfortunate wording of the thread title -- "dies, more or less"?Maybe you can edit that?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 08:27:37 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on August 13, 2017, 08:19:31 amHe shouldn't. It is a tribute to the person who passed away in several ways and IMHO it is very well put.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 08:28:21 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on August 13, 2017, 08:19:31 amNo need. I see that as a tribute to the bloke.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 08:42:21 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on August 13, 2017, 08:28:21 amAgree 100%.That was my first reaction to the title - and I smiled at it being so appropriate.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 08:53:59 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 13, 2017, 08:27:37 amOK -- I had not understood the title as a pun, but as an awkward way to say that Zadeh was the more-or-less inventor of Fuzzy Logic (and has now died). He did invent the term, but not the math, which had been studied as "infinite value logic" before.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 09:25:59 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on August 13, 2017, 08:53:59 amWell, then he is right there with Einstein which also invented the term (relativity theory) but didn't invent the math.

author: ludzinc
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 09:43:21 am
content: You win the internet for the day with that title.Bravo sir.

author: Vtile
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 09:51:18 am
content: I didn't knew he were still living at the first place.RIP

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 09:58:42 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on August 13, 2017, 08:42:21 amYep, I got it straight away.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 10:25:04 am
content: There should be another comma. I thought someone invented a fuzzy logic die, until I realised the true meaning.Anyway, it's sad, but no one lives forever.

author: alm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 10:44:11 am
content: Who taught you to put a comma between subject and verb?

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 04:18:23 pm
content: Quote from: alm on August 13, 2017, 10:44:11 amNot generally, but the word dies can be used as a verb or a noun and adding a comma would have made it more clear. Anyway I don't want to get into a discussion about semantics.

author: FlyingHacker
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 05:22:11 pm
content: I loved the title. Perfect, made me grin right away.The fact that "dies" is lower case is certainly all that is needed. A comma would be entirely out of place there unless used in the appositive to say that "dies" is the inventor of Fuzzy Logic.https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/596/1/I am sure most grammar nazis find technical engineer nazis annoying, and would be annoyed at people correcting their misuse of Volts vs. Amps or other things we on this forum would consider obvious

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 06:00:21 pm
content: Quote from: FlyingHacker on August 13, 2017, 05:22:11 pmYes you're right. I shouldn't have started grumbling about grammar nazis and have edited my post.

author: rfeecs
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2017, 06:31:56 pm
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on August 13, 2017, 04:40:36 amMy next door neighbor as a kid. Sad. Everyone in the neighborhood was of that generation and passing one by one.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2017, 10:52:59 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on August 13, 2017, 04:18:23 pmNope nope nope. Comma there would be unequivocally wrong. It's not a subordinate clause, not an explanatory interjection, nor a list. Commas cannot just be added randomly!

author: Neomys Sapiens
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2017, 11:22:34 pm
content: Not only a very fine pun, but a intrigueing use of fuzzy logic! Maybe we should go through the process of defining the membership functions?

author: VK5RC
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2017, 11:38:12 pm
content: Thanks, but sadly so, I think it is a subordinate clause, most likely. HiHi.

author: rfeecs
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 12:00:50 am
content: OK, this is weird. He's more or lessnotdead! Reload the article:http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/08/12/531553/iran-lofti-zadeh-fuzzy-logicQuote

author: hamster_nz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 01:45:13 am
content: Quote from: rfeecs on August 16, 2017, 12:00:50 amHow apt!

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 10:44:28 am
content: Quote from: tooki on August 15, 2017, 10:52:59 pmYes, as alm correctly said to me via PM, it should be "Inventor of fuzzy logic has died, more or less." I knew there was something wrong with the thread title, but for the life of me couldn't correct it.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 03:08:14 pm
content: I'm getting as much of a chuckle over these grammar wars, as some got from the title.To say 'has died' puts the subject in the past tense. To say 'dies' casts it as an event of indeterminate time, possibly happening as you watch. In which case to add the 'more or less' is more interesting, since it implies you can't actually tell precisely even if watching.Also commas (I think) can be used both to sort out sentence elements, and also just to indicate a pause. Which is how I meant it.Now the real question: Is the university picking up the joke?Edit: Removed a comma. Lest this go round the circle again.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 03:30:28 pm
content: It seems he is alive after all.Alexander

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 12:37:50 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on August 16, 2017, 10:44:28 amWell, "Inventor dies" is classic news headline style (which American TV news anchors also inexplicably use in spoken form). Nothing strange about it -- or at least, no more strange than many news headlines!Quote from: rfeecs on August 16, 2017, 12:00:50 amHeh, fantastic!

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 12:03:57 am
content: The truth value of this proposition is no longer fuzzy:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/11/science/lotfi-zadeh-father-of-mathematical-fuzzy-logic-dies-at-96.html