Help looking for a decent $100-$150 multimeter - Page 1
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author: Peter_G
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 05:55:15 pm
content: I am looking for a good quality DMM for about $100-$150 (though I may be willing to go alittlehigher if it makes a big difference). As far as application I am a beginner electronics hobbyist mainly working on some Arduino and Raspberry Pi projects, so mostly small circuits and the like. I want a meter that is going to last me a long time and as I get more advanced.I have already spent many many hours watching videos, reading articles, and browsing forum posts here and have become quite overwhelmed. I watched Dave's multimeter buying guide for beginners:https://youtu.be/gh1n_ELmpFI?list=PL4F0B97C59B1D509and read Fluke's ABCs of DMMs:http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf,which sort of gave me a handle on what I'm looking for but the options are still staggering so I was hoping someone could give me a few suggestions.I also tried looking through the multimeter spreadsheet:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/on this forum, but again the volume of information to sort through and compare as a beginner is astounding.Also, when browsing the spreadsheet one of the meters that looked acceptable to me was the Fluke 185. So I tried looking it up and couldn't find it anywhere online, the only evidence I found that it even exists outside of the spreadsheet was this datasheet:http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/100023.pdf.Is this some kind of super-rare meter or something? I get that it's probably not being made anymore, but there wasn'tanyoneon eBay or Amazon or anywhere else even selling a used one. (I don't really want to get a used meter anyhow, but I did find that peculiar.)So can someone please give me a hand here on finding a good multimeter for my price range?Please let me know if I need to give more information.P.S. How can I hyperlink text on this forum?

author: edavid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 06:11:12 pm
content: Quote from: Peter_G on July 04, 2016, 05:55:15 pmYou don't need to spend that much. A cheaper meter (or better yet 2 cheaper meters) would be fine for you.QuoteYes, super rare, and long out of production. You would be more likely to find a Tektronix TX3.Quoteurl tag.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 06:24:34 pm
content: The Fluke 185 is a discontinued model. You might find one on the used market.It is a good idea to have two multimeters for many reasons. With this in mind I would like to suggest the following options as well as single meters in you your price range:UT139C $55 good overall meter with decent performance and build.UT61E $55? good overall meter with PC connection and higher accuracy, but poorer build.Amprobe AM270 $110 really well built meterAmprobe AM530 $65 good meterDaves BM235 $100 plus shipping? Nice meterBrymen BM257S $135 really good meter and well loved on this forum.Brymen BM857S $140 plus shipping so pushing things for your price, but a great meter.Fluke 17B+ $120 or so really nice meterMy personal recommendation is the Brymen BM257S. It is a nice handy meter, fast, more than accurate and has all the main features you will need. It is also built very well.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 06:43:35 pm
content: Get a Fluke 17B+.http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=fluke+17b%2BNot the best bang-per-buck but very solidly built, and... it's a Fluke!Other options:Dave's own EEVBLOG-branded Brymen BM235 is within budget, but ... I dunno, lots of people report the screen isn't very good.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/eevblog-brymen-bm235-lcd-issues-or-normal/The Brymen BM257 is also well liked around here but may be hard to find.I wouldn't get anything made by Uni-T, not after all the horror stories on this forum.PS: One meter is never enough. Get one good one and at least one cheapie.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 07:03:02 pm
content: I'd get a Vici VC8145 bench DMM (I have two!). You can stack other equipment on top, it doesn't clutter your desk and it never needs new batteries. It also has a large amount of features.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 07:06:37 pm
content: I'd recommend getting 2 meters as well.Specifically, you can get a Brymen BM257S for $110.50 as your good/primary meter (here; add ~$10 for shipping), and a Uni-T UT139C for just under $40 shipped on eBay, including from US sellers. Please note the link for the Brymen is located in Poland, but they do ship to the US (a number of members have done so), and have the best prices on Brymen meters.Both of these meters have suitable protections for usage on mains, and combined, will run you ~$160. The Brymen is very well built. The Uni-T not as much (built to a budget after all), but it's decent enough and will certainly fair well for bench use.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 07:13:14 pm
content: Hard to say what you are going to need it for down the road. Suggesting you're just getting started and playing with low voltage, I would pick up a free one from Harbor Freight to start with. Once you start to figure out what features you need, buy something better.

author: MosherIV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 07:31:17 pm
content: You have done your research so there is not much more we can tell you really.Some things to consider about some of the recommendations:Fluke17b - good meter, backed up by Flukes reputation BUT this model is for the Chinese market and there is no warrenty outside China or India. That said, if it works out of the box, it should be good.It is well above your price range but have you looked at the Fluke179?Amprobe is in the same corporate group as Fluke but they have seperate design teams. The good news is that the general consesus is that Amprobe have the same safety and build reputation as Fluke.Bryman meters, I was under the impression that Bryman do not have a presense in the US, they rely on distributors.I would not rule out Uni-T, I have one and it is fine, I have even bought the UT61E but have not received it yet. Yes, having read about the design issues, I would definitly check if it is safe for mains. I bought a Tenma rebranded model (rebranded for Farnell), which means it would have to pass specifications set by Farnell. I have measured mains with it but I am definitly more careful with it now even though it looks like it has all the design safety points that Dave recommends.(The ut61e is a meter to consider if you are looking for a 4.5 digit multimter, though some question it's long term stability. I have bought one but it will take at least 12 months to even begin to determine its stabiliy)Have you looked at Keysight meters?(Keysight is the newname for Agilant which used to be HP)If you were looking at the Fluke85, look at the u1240 series (I find them quite uggly but that is not to say that they are not very capable meters) I would not get the u1230 series, they are not really electronics meters. I have the u1232a, has very slow annoying auto ranging and none of them have mA range.Some have mentioned that it is a good idea to have 2 meters, yes it is but not a must. One thing you could do is get the cheap HarbourFrieght 'freebie' meter as your 2nd meter but avoid using it for mains/high voltages.Have you checked out what you can get from your local shops?Just some more thoughts (hopefully not confused you more)

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 07:36:04 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 04, 2016, 07:13:14 pmExcuse my curiosity: I don't live in the USA and everybody keeps saying this^.How exactly do you get free multimeters meters from "Harbour Freight"? (I assume that's something like Walmart).Do you just walk in and ask for one? Do you have to buy a family size bag of Cheetos or something?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 07:40:18 pm
content: Quote from: MosherIV on July 04, 2016, 07:31:17 pmJust don't connect it to the mains using both hands simultaneously.And make sure you touch a grounded metal object before every use. Right, Joe?

author: MosherIV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 07:44:40 pm
content: "How exactly do you get free multimeters meters from "Harbour Freight"?"You need a coupon from the store or local paper and then need to purchase something to validate the coupon. Sometimes, the coupon does just allow a free meter without any purchases.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 07:51:36 pm
content: Quote from: MosherIV on July 04, 2016, 07:31:17 pmI respectfully disagree. You need at least two meters just to compare readings against each other and make sure they're working properly.If you only have one meter and get a weird reading then what do you trust? Itmightbe the circuit or youmighthave a broken/damaged meter*. A second meter will sort out the confusion in seconds.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 08:03:50 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 04, 2016, 07:36:04 pmHarbor Freightspecializes inexpensive tools, some of which are actually quite decent (offer a lot of value, such as their roll-away tool cabinets;example). Their Taiwanese made hand tools are actually well made IME, and are cheaper than Craftsman.As per the free meter, as mentioned, you get it when making a purchase and present the coupon for it. Other freebies too, such as flashlights and screwdrivers.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 08:08:36 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 04, 2016, 07:40:18 pmI agree. For use with mains I'd recommend DMM from an A-brand like Fluke or Keysight so there is some amount of quality control involved. And if something happens to you because of the DMM at least it is possible to sue a company which isn't a hit&run operation. I like my VC8145 DMMs a lot but I would never ever use them for measuring mains. I have a seperate Keysight U1241B DMM for that purpose (and portability).

author: imidis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 08:10:46 pm
content: Quote from: MosherIV on July 04, 2016, 07:31:17 pmYou are right, they do not have a presence in the US, they have an agreement with their rebadger (Greenlee) not to touch the north american market. It's just too bad Greenlee does a crap job.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 09:10:06 pm
content: Quote from: imidis on July 04, 2016, 08:10:46 pmMaybe their trade agreement will come to an end soon and Brymen can do their very ownBREXITand trade with the US directly!

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 10:25:49 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 04, 2016, 07:40:18 pmThere is no way I would ever recommend a meter that failed one of the first three tests I run, unless it was free. I would not recommend any meters that do not meet the EMC as well as the safety standards.I have the 17B+ and it did very well in the testing. However, it does not have TRMS, AC+DC or conductance. The continuity test is also slow. For me personally, these would all be deal breakers.I like the HIOKI DT4252 and the Fluke 115 TRMS meters. They have similar features and both again did very well in the testing. But no temperature, AC+DC, uA or conductance.While Fluke and Amprobe are both subsidiaries of Danaher, the quality is not as good. You get what you pay for.To get the features I want, it seems I'm in the $200+ range. Even these meters have not been all that great.The Fluke 87V still has no AC+DC and its pretty poor UI to get it into conductance. The meter also did pretty poor during testing. Not impressed at all.I was loaned a 289 and was really glad I had not bought one after using it. It has the features I want but it's slow to boot. Graphing is really slow.The UNI-T UT181A, so many things wrong with it. Yet could be one of the best meters I have looked at. I like the UI. Really easy to use. It's fast, logs. Even the PCB build quality is not bad and looks like they used some nice parts in it. Just don't walk across the carpet or pet the cat when holding it.The TPI/Summit 194II, careful you don't plug it into the wall outlet and rotate the switch past the resistance mode! So many other things wrong with it.The Extech/CEM EX540, will it even work when you open the box? It's really slow.So what's left? That Brymen BM869s. Lowest price of the $200+ meters I looked at and still my personal favorite. I'm sure there is something I would like even more. Waiting to see what Dave comes up with!

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2016, 11:42:18 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 04, 2016, 10:25:49 pmYeah, but you don't do "Arduino work".The Fluke 17B+ is a luxury meter for Arduino work. I've done years of Arduino work with a meter far worse than that.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 12:20:15 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 04, 2016, 11:42:18 pmThat's why I suggested they start with the free meter.Quote from: Peter_G on July 04, 2016, 05:55:15 pmMore advanced to OP may be an Arduino +++ and a long time may be a day, I really don't know. All I can do is offer what I see are some of the shortcomings for the meters I have looked at in that price range and point out for a little more, they could get something much better.

author: boz
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 12:23:25 am
content: Daves BM235Just got mine last week, awesome meter for the price and no issues I can find with LCD

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 12:27:34 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 05, 2016, 12:20:15 amI'd at least get something with a continuity buzzer and some sort of fuse. I don't think those freebie meters have that.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 01:10:28 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 05, 2016, 12:27:34 amIt comes with only the best glass fuse that is now soldered in place. Blow it, just get another free meter.The 10A is not fused of course. The power supplies current limit becomes the fuse. Cheaper.. If course, if they had something like the supply I used to melt the test leads to power their Arduino, they may get into trouble.Then again maybe you saw what happened when I put 10A though that 61E with the fuse jumped. Not that anyone would ever jump out an expensive fuse.Continuity on the 17B+ was pretty poor. I measured a max frequency of 1.7Hz on mine with a 50% DC. Just no good for what I use it for. I would end up making my own buzzer box if this was all I had.Looks like both the 115 ($129) and DT4252 ($115) are on clearance at TEquipment.

author: SkyMaster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 02:35:40 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 04, 2016, 07:36:04 pmFungus,The Harbor Freight free multimeter is a DT-830 (or a variant). Just google "harbor freight free multimeter".

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 02:48:13 am
content: joeqsmithQuoteWhat is wrong with it from your point of view?Well, I do not like DMMs with a color LCD and a special built-in accumulator. I prefer a low-consumption DMM that is powered by 9V battery or AA or AAA 1,5V cells.QuoteIs UT181A fragile or what??

author: ProBang2
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 03:16:06 am
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on July 05, 2016, 02:48:13 amIt does not survive ESD...

author: Peter_G
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 04:01:04 am
content: Thanks for all the comments and suggestions everyone!So far I am leaning towards the Brymen BM257S, but I am having a bit of trouble finding it - I can't find it on Amazon at all and there are only two people on eBay with it, one for $145 and the other for $162. The $145 isn't out of my budget, but I noticed some of you marked it as around $110. Anyone know of somewhere I can get it for cheaper (In the USA)?As far as a second meter goes I think I'll start with one. I will check out the Harbor Freight freebie too, or a cheap pocket multimeter- I remember Dave mentioning that it's nice to have one of those as well. (Any suggestions for a notcompletelygarbage pocket multimeter?) I also have a friend I work on a lot of my electronics projects with and he has a (cheapish) multimeter too.I should also mention that my Arduino/Pi projects are not really all that small. Currently I am working on rigging up a (somewhat) simple home automation setup (my programming skills are a bit more advanced that my EE skills atm) which involves everything from controlling some solenoids on the garden sprinklers to controlling the thermostat to (eventually) controlling some light switches. I (mostly) know what I am getting into so I think that (along with various other miscellaneous things) justifies getting a decent multimeter.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 04:32:30 am
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on July 05, 2016, 02:48:13 amCheck out:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hear-kitty-kitty-kitty-nope-not-that-kind-of-cat/875/Post 890 sums it up.Quote from: Peter_G on July 05, 2016, 04:01:04 amTME has it for $110. Looks like it meets the EMC standard. Plus it has uC and temperature which the 115 and DT4252 do not. Not a bad little meter by the looks of it.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 06:07:47 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 05, 2016, 01:10:28 amI don't see it as a major problem. YMMV.Quote from: joeqsmith on July 05, 2016, 01:10:28 amWell ... not everybody plays music on their multimeter.Quote from: joeqsmith on July 05, 2016, 01:10:28 amNeither of those has a milliamp or microamp range. That's a deal breaker for Arduino work IMHO.

author: imidis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 06:18:20 am
content: Not just arduino work, I've found it surprisinly handy on my meter for battery powered projects.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 08:45:14 am
content: Having instant continuity is a big plus because it works quicker and IMHO gives more confidence in the measurement. When I check continuity between two points -say A & B- I do this with a 3 step process: put both probes on point A, move one probe to point B, move the other probe to point B (both probes on point B). This ensures the probes make good contact during the check. Instant continuity is vital to do this quickly. Also due to soldering flux residu and other contaminents the contact between a PUT (point under test) may not be ideal. I have found that DMMs with a slow continuity check make me doubt whether the probe makes good contact or not. When does the bloody thing starts to beep?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 10:09:40 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 05, 2016, 08:45:14 amAccording to joe's tests: Fluke 17B+ needs a 20ms contact to make a beep.Quote from: nctnico on July 05, 2016, 08:45:14 amAfter 1/50th of a second...?(I couldn't resist - your post gives a whole new meaning to the phrase 'short attention span')

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 10:53:22 am
content: This looks feature-packed and cheaphttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-trms-uni-t-ut139c-dmm-is-available-now/Also sold by iloveelectronicshttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Uni-T-UT139C-True-RMS-Digital-Multimeter-Temperature-NCV-Backlight-/171213085325

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 12:27:55 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 05, 2016, 06:07:47 amCovered...Quote from: joeqsmith on July 04, 2016, 10:25:49 pmQuote from: Fungus on July 05, 2016, 10:09:40 amTry using a slow meter like this to trace out the wiring on a board. It's common for me to drag a needle across a QFP to trace it out. The slow continuity of the 17B+ would really slow me down. This would be interesting to measure and I would guess even 4Hz would cause me grief.One thing worth mentioning is that the Fluke 17B+, looking at the data again 50% DC, was 1.7 Hz. The slowest of the meters I have looked at. The next test is using a 2Hz signal and dialing back the pulse width until it misses. I did not document it, but I believe I used the 1.7Hz rather than 2Hz on this meter. Small detail.Also, even though there is more detail in the tests than just rubbing the leads together like most reviews, there is still a human part to it. The max freq 50% is pretty repeatable but the pulse width causes some errors. Listening to it, did it beep or click. Do I count it or not.....

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 12:41:20 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 05, 2016, 12:27:55 pmI feel a video coming on...

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 12:50:49 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 05, 2016, 12:41:20 pmMaybe use a DSO set to a 1mS sample rate attached to the meter so you have the same audio feedback. Download the data and pull the stats from that. Min, max, average, std dev, histograms.... Try an all digital board and all analog.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 12:58:47 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 05, 2016, 12:27:55 pmMaybe I'm missing something obvious but if a 20ms pulse makes an audible sound then all you need is 20ms of contact with a pin to find a connection.I don't know how fast you drag your probe across the QFP pins but isn't 20ms fast enough? Does it really matter if it takes the meter 0.6 seconds to 'reset' for the next one?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 01:31:00 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 05, 2016, 12:58:47 pm0.6 seconds is an eternity! When I drag a probe across a QFP to trace a connection in a piece of equipment for which not schematics are available I test an entire row of 30 pins or more in one second.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 01:39:53 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 05, 2016, 12:58:47 pmThe latching types can take a fair amount of time to reset. I would suggest as I have aged, I have slowed down a fair amount. So let's keep that in mind...Looking at a 22 pin DIP, I seem to drag about about 11 pins in a second. That's not going fast. Slow and steady. That's 0.091 seconds per pin. Looking at the pin nearest the plastic package, I would say mechanically, pin width is a little wider than the gap but let's call it 50%. So we need to detect 0.045 seconds and reset in the next 0.045. Seem fast?I still work a lot with QFPs. Looking at a 144 pin part, 36 pins on a side. Looks like I drag it in around 3 seconds. Again, not going fast, just nice and steady. So 12 pins in a second, or 83mS/pin. In the 40ish mS range.Doubt people who do this sort of thing would be much slower. Really never thought about it.So, 0.6, no way. The AM510 was about 8Hz which is not too bad but the Brymen I have is more than fast enough.No they don't all need to be able to play Van Halen's Eruption but I would say for me, 10Hz minimum with a 50% DC.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 01:41:28 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 05, 2016, 01:31:00 pmYoungsters!

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 01:54:23 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 05, 2016, 01:39:53 pmWhy does it need to reset quickly? You already found your pin.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 02:02:38 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 05, 2016, 01:54:23 pmTwo things. The are often multiple pins attached to one node that I am looking for. These can be next to each other. The more interesting one is looking at bus runs. One probe in each hand dragging down two different connectors, synchronous.This is going to be a little slower but nothing close to 0.6 seconds....

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 02:07:38 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 05, 2016, 02:02:38 pmSure, but when it beeps don't you stop, make a note, then restart on the next pin after that?I just tried some pin-swiping with my incredibly slow Fluke 27.It worksmuchbetter than the "bash the probes together" test would suggest. No problem at all in finding a pin.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 02:25:53 pm
content: I'm not saying faster isn't better, I'm just wondering how much of a factor it is in real life. At what point does it become a "deal breaker".I guess the answer depends on what you use it for:If you spend your days swiping probes down long rows of pins then you need the fastest possible.If you only do it once a month then my "Fluke 27" test doesn't indicate any deal breakage.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 02:56:56 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 05, 2016, 02:07:38 pmIf I am looking at a bus, not normally. I'll take a cable for eample, clamp it into a vice with the mating connectors in it and do a quick swipe. Some times I make a shorting connector for one mate and then buzz it on just the one side.If I am looking at an IC, tracing out a design, I will make a mental note and keep buzzing. I then will go back and count the pins. We all have our own styles.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 03:51:31 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 05, 2016, 02:56:56 pmSure, I"m just trying to quantify it in my head.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 04:10:35 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 05, 2016, 02:25:53 pmSometimes a piece of testequipment pays for itself with just one paid project.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 04:18:48 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 05, 2016, 04:10:35 pmCan you come over and talk to the wife?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2016, 04:54:55 pm
content: I could but maybe it is better if we wait until I have figured out how to explain the benefits of having test equipment to my wife first

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2016, 01:28:31 am
content: Quote from: Peter_G on July 05, 2016, 04:01:04 amThat was me.Greenlee rebadges them for sale in the North American market (DM-810A = BM257S), and Brymen isn't going to shoot themselves in the head (ODM is currently their primary business model). Some show up with Extech branding on them as well. Either way they're generally more expensive, but you do get a warranty in the US (i.e. no need to send it to Taiwan).The cheapest way to get it with a Brymen label is via TME.eu (here), which is located in Poland (would come to ~$120 shipped). I don't recall seeing lots of people needing to send one back, but there's one review on the DM-810A where someone had to send aDM-810Ain, and was pissed there was a 3 week turnaround. Good price on it though; within a couple of bucks actually, so I'd get it from Amazon rather than order from TME if it were me.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2016, 01:37:33 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on July 04, 2016, 06:24:34 pmThis one usually gets the number one spot. Do as others suggested and get at least two. My two cents get the Brymenm, then a lower cost one in your budget, then two cheap meters from Harbor Freight to use for current measurements. That's right - 4 metersCurrent readings can blow fuses and meters. Some HF meters are cheaper than some fuses.Another consideration - what type of battery do they use ?

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2016, 04:23:09 am
content: One can never have enough DMMs.Bench ones are nice too. No batteries, no auto-off, fast, easy to read, etc.Regarding the freebie ones from Harbor Freight, they are also useful for testing batteries (9V, AA, AAA) as the meter puts a load on them and displays the current that the battery is able to deliver. This is much better than the typical unloaded voltage method.

author: rsjsouza
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timestamp: July 06, 2016, 11:59:49 am
content: Quote from: Peter_G on July 05, 2016, 04:01:04 amYou can check the prices athttp://www.tme.eu- I purchased twice from them and the delivery and service were really good. No complaints there.As for recommendations, Lightages' recommendation of theBM857Sis good - I have a previous version of it ("not S") and it works really well for the price. TheBM867Sis also an excellent option but a bit above your price range when you consider shipping.If you want to save some green (1/2 the price of the BM257) from the get go and still get a good featured meter (6k counts, temp, capacitance, fast continuity, reasonably well built, etc), you can also checkRadioshack's 2200087(yeah, they are still around). You can find more reasonable eBay prices with free shipping (here). I did a review of mine and I am very pleased with its performance.Quote from: Peter_G on July 05, 2016, 04:01:04 amThe Harbor freight ones are ok as second meters, but seeing thequality degrade so much across the years(I've had several of them) has put me off a bit. Also, I use meters primarily at the bench, therefore some usability details detract from it: the non-standard banana jacks prevent me from easily switching things between different meters when connected on a circuit; the lack of a support stand forces me to look for a suitable place to place the meter; it is so lightweight that moving around the probes makes it fall from the carefully chosen "suitable place", only forcing me to find another one... Nothing really serious, but inconveniences that made me relegate them to become my kid's toys.