Does Govt stop you designing things - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 09:58:35 pm
content: Ok this may be OTT but I want to know if anyone is afraid of designing anything truly shattering in case Govt decide to steal it in the name of National Security. I for one would not like to design something to have it stolen for nefarious uses. So does it hold those of you more than capable back.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 10:24:21 pm
content: Don't like it? Don't put it in the Cloud...Tim

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 10:32:10 pm
content: Awhile back I designed a revolutionary *REDACTED* that could literally *REDACTED* overnight. It was one of those breakthroughs after years of tinkering. Unfortunately I had a visit from *REDACTED* who gently persuade me it wouldn't work. They even took me to this *REDACTED* where they *REDACTED* me! Funny, I don't remember much after that, or even how *REDACTED* worked.*Edited by the NSA*Sent from my Smartphone

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 10:40:37 pm
content: ISTR reading that it is illegal to apply for a patent in a foreign country before your own country,either because it may be similar to something that's secret, or they want to make it secret for national security or defence reasons.I think in practice the Govt would buy it rather than steal it to reduce the chances of a pissed-off inventor going public.Nowadays tech as advanced so much that there can't be many things anyone is likely to come up with on their own that haven't already been done & out there, and information moves so fast that it would be very hard for it not to leak out.But then there is the odd mystery like Starlite....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlite

author: hamster_nz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 10:44:52 pm
content: What, like this? A home made pulse jet cruise missile.http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/&http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/diary.shtmlQuoteIIRC he received several really painful tax audits.....

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 10:59:49 pm
content: That's how the the US Gov't got Al Capone, tax evasion. They could never get him on criminal charges.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 12:15:39 am
content: Quote from: timb on August 11, 2015, 10:32:10 pmThis reads like a FOIA document.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 12:24:32 am
content: Quote from: Deathwish on August 11, 2015, 09:58:35 pmSounds like a movie plot, fun to watch but hardly reality.

author: Len
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 01:20:00 am
content: Quote from: Deathwish on August 11, 2015, 09:58:35 pmAnything anyone invents can be used in ways that they don’t approve of. Terrorists use telephones – should Bell have kept it a secret? Should people give up inventing things in case someone does something bad? Of course not. We’d still be living in caves eating raw food.Also, I don’t see why you’re specifically worried about the government. There are plenty of private individuals and groups exploiting technology for evil. (example)

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 01:31:21 am
content: Quote from: timb on August 11, 2015, 10:32:10 pmThat happened to me with the pill I invented that turned water into gasoline.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 01:34:39 am
content: Quote from: Len on August 12, 2015, 01:20:00 amTell that to the anti firearm haters.

author: Len
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 01:41:30 am
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on August 12, 2015, 01:34:39 amDeathwish is worried about his own (hypothetical) inventions. If he hates guns, he won't waste his time inventing one, will he?

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 01:48:22 am
content: Back to the question, the Gov isn't what I'd worry about most, it's patent trolls.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 02:00:32 am
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on August 12, 2015, 01:34:39 amDid you mean firearm haters?

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 02:04:03 am
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on August 12, 2015, 01:48:22 amNailed that one.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 08:32:09 am
content: I knew some one it sort of happened to in the mid 1970's.I wont give his name here as he is still around and runs or ran a design company in Cambridge. He was a neighbour of ours in Cambridge, one of those people who had a list of degrees that looked like a laundry list. He made his own boards in an old kitchen sink at the back of the house, they had row upon row of eprom's. What he had developed was a real time radar mapping system that would take the radar image and compare it to a stored map and tell a pilot exactly where he was in the world, he had been hawking the idea around a couple of years when he went to British Aerospace, as soon as the man he saw there looked at what he had he was told to stay in the room until he had signed a contract and the official secrets act. The money he got from his idea paid off his mortgage and then some.

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 08:48:30 am
content: As this place seems to be Geek Central I'm guessing that most of you have seen the movie 'Sneakers'. If you haven't then make sure that you do because it's rather good.Now, let's bring the movie up to date. Suppose I invent something that can break any code, maybe it could be FPGA based reprogramming it's own logic depending on the code or cypher concerned but this thing can break ANYTHING including a one-time pad. How long do you think my invention would be around?If I'm lucky I end up like the guy in Cambridge with a substantial sum in the bank in exchange for a lifetime agreement to shut the hell up. It's more likely that German_EE would vanish from the face of the earth along with his workshop, his books and his papers.Now expand this from a 'Sneakers' box to a 1000 mpg engine, an explosive that cannot be detected or a foolproof lie detector that only needs a facial image of thepoliticianperson talking to work. I suspect that there are lots of things we will never know.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 08:53:21 am
content: Ok I wasnt going to say anything, I just wanted to see if anyone else had been "got at". I am primarily from a mechanical background, 2 fathers both in the RAF, and a grandfather who was Royal Signals and owned a garage in Guildford.I too suddenly found myself signing the OSA for no apparent reason, when i initially refused to do so I was told it did not matter and it would be signed on my behalf with a notation that it had been read to me and I had refused. I now sign such things with the initials of V.C in front of my name. I can not say why I was required to sign it but I used to doodle things until one day my instructor on my C&G course saw one.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 08:54:48 am
content: Quote from: German_EE on August 12, 2015, 08:48:30 amRobert and Ben , love the film....

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 08:57:10 am
content: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/21/us/gun-drone-connecticut/

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 09:01:37 am
content: Quote from: Galenbo on August 12, 2015, 08:57:10 amThat has just basically made any remote controlled model aircraft flying illegal then in case it get out of radio range. another hobby gone west.

author: JazzHarper
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 06:45:33 pm
content: It is illegal to design, or even publicly discuss the design of, devices or tools (e.g., software) for circumvention of access controls that protect the rights of a copyright holder. In Australia, this is covered under Section 116 of the Copyright Act; in the US, 17 USC Sec 1201 (a)(2); in the EU, Directive 2001/29/EC.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-circumvention

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 09:46:49 pm
content: Quote from: JazzHarper on August 14, 2015, 06:45:33 pmDepends on where you live, I suspect.Denmark has correctly implemented EU Directive 2001/29/EC more than 10 years ago, which has the consequences you mention. Except:1) You are allowed to make personal copies of copyrighted material you bought copies of, for backup purposes as protection against loss or damage to the original media, like a DVD. You may of course not distribute any copies.2) Right holders cannot dictate how you enjoy your copy of a protected works. In particular they cannot prevent you from media shifting a protected works on a different medium in order for you to, for instance, watch a DVD you own on your tablet computer.3) You are explicitly alllowed to design, host, distribute and even publicly discuss the design of, devices or tools (e.g., software) for circumvention of access controls in order for you to perform either 1) and/or 2) on personal copies of protected works, that you have legally obtained (Ie. bought).Take a wild guess at the number of court cases, which in more than a decade have been based on the anti-circumvention clauses of Danish law. (Hint: It is a *really* low non-negative number...)

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 03:42:45 am
content: That's typical democracy for you, one rich ass&*#$ doesn't like everyone else making backups so they make laws against it and kill Linux downloading as well. Have you ever seen any free wifi that allows UDP ?

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 12:09:02 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 15, 2015, 03:42:45 amAll the free ones offered by government agencies I've come across do. Almost all of the ones in pubs and cafes too.If I decide I'm going to block UDP, certain sites, block DLs of a certain size or bigger, or even inject adds into traffic going through WiFi I'm providing that has nothing to do with the government but my personal choices. You don't like it you pay for the connection and offer it without those restrictions or go somewhere else that doesn't have them.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 12:20:24 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 15, 2015, 12:09:02 pm[in a country controlled by a military junta]and this was two years ago, imagine how many nowhttp://e27.co/thailand-to-get-over-400k-free-wi-fi-hotspots-by-2014/Quote[meanwhile back inhell] australiahttp://www.itnews.com.au/News/405151,telstra-to-switch-off-free-wi-fi-hotspots-from-sunday.aspxQuote

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 12:30:40 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 15, 2015, 12:20:24 pmSo a private company stops offering free WiFi and your government hasn't replaced it makes Australia hell?If you want your government to do something similar to Thailand pressure your politicians into it. If you're going to whine when taxes go up to implement and service it stfu. If Your just going to sit and whine but do nothing to fix something you don't agree with in a democracy you have no right to complain as you're purposely making sure those problems exist to whine about so should again stfu.But TBH I know what you'd do if you did have nationwide free WiFi, you'd complain the lack of terabit speeds was the government taking your rights or not been able to pick up a signal 1000 miles from any civilisation is oppression...

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 01:13:52 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 15, 2015, 12:30:40 pmNo, telstra used to belong to the people. First, the government stole our bank (commonwealth bank) so that we'd all get to enjoy banking fees, then they stole our telephone company, now they steal the wifi and say somehow this is what people wanted. What rubbish. Who demonstrates FOR APEC, or G20 or even know what they are ? who votes FOR TTIP ? Governent are just theives who steal everything including my free wifi. Military junta in Thailand give people free wifi and free footballhttp://www.wsj.com/articles/thai-coup-leaders-seek-free-to-air-world-cup-soccer-broadcasts-1402554239. Next they will steal the electricity which we own. They even fatten up the bills so that the rich pr^%$ who buys it won't get the blame for increasing prices.QuoteWhat ? get myself shot ? No way. That guy at Martin place wrote 1,000 letters to politicians and not only they shot him, they shot everyone in the cafe too. If you live alone they'll door-knock the street and blow everyone's head off to keep the quota up.QuoteDamn right I would.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 01:38:45 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 15, 2015, 01:13:52 pmOk I'm guessing it's not only how your writing comes across but you are actually retarded aren't you? The people voted in governments that privatised public owned institutions, the money raised went into the public coffers. No theft at all. And if you think phone prices are high now look back at the "good old days." Oh and bank charges have always existed, even if it's just earning zero interest on your savings.QuoteOtherwise known asbread and circuses.QuoteLying again. He took hostages in a religiously motivated terrorist or just straight up criminal attack, shot one hostage, and one hostage was hit with a ricochet from the police and died.

author: wagon
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 02:45:12 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 15, 2015, 01:13:52 pmOh dear. Best get yourself a tinfoil hat.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 03:08:05 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 15, 2015, 01:38:45 pmhttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/concern-at-deputy-commissioner-catherine-burns-martin-place-siege-brief/story-fni0cx12-1227181519754?nk=1213a2e112103548b29dfd226157576b-1439651043QuoteQuote from: wagon on August 15, 2015, 02:45:12 pmI'd look sexy in foil, and I'd still be right.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 03:35:59 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 15, 2015, 03:08:05 pmWhat you posted confirmed what I said.Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 15, 2015, 01:38:45 pm

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 03:57:29 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 15, 2015, 03:35:59 pmThen if we said the same thing and you say I'm lying then you are also lying. What actually happened in Martin place is the cops have no ability to conform to occupational health and safety standards while attempting to make an arrest and have no person amongst them brave enough to negotiate as they do in other countries, and that is being generous. otherwise they were simply committing a summary execution. To handle things professionally is to determine the mindset of the suspect, and given the person had not shot anyone straight away, then he's not a shooter like port arthur or columbine or any of the weekly massacre's in the USA. Mass murderers in most cases start their shooting within an hour of their arrival on site. Like in strathfield. Attention seekers, you know, the type who write thousands of letters to politicians trying to get their attention, will give up eventually because like all humans they need sleep eventually. After 17 hours, it wouldn't have taken much of a negotiator to arrange this, it would only take enough balls to walk in. They should have asked a firey. Instead of negotiating where nobody had been killed, which in most countries is the rule, 'you don't storm the place when no-one's been killed' they stormed the place, with obvious results. Go get a manual from any country and see what occupational health and safety says about making an arrest. If a Lion broke into a movie theater, parroting that it was a lion and they couldn't negotiate with a lion is no excuse for burning the theater to the ground with all inside.To say the police killed everyone who died that day is being generous. To point out it was their failure to follow procedure or not have any procedure at all would be less so.edit : there is plenty of useful stuff on the web, including for dealing with nutcaseshttps://www.psychceu.com/miller/Miller_Hostage_Neg.pdf

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 04:02:23 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 15, 2015, 03:57:29 pmNo, because you didn't originally say what I said, only tried to "discredit" what I said by posting confirming information.You originally said the whole cafe got shot up and everyone was shot by the police because he sent letters to the government.Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 15, 2015, 01:13:52 pmThat didn't happen, he held hostages, shot one dead, one died through a ricochet and others were hit in the mess.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 04:10:18 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 15, 2015, 04:02:23 pmNo, everyone who died that day including the 'mentally ill person who they were supposed to be arresting' if you want to call him that were victims of a complete police cock-up which was followed by a cover-up of their cock-up.http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/concern-at-deputy-commissioner-catherine-burns-martin-place-siege-brief/story-fni0cx12-1227181519754?nk=1213a2e112103548b29dfd226157576b-1439651043from the PDF conclusions:Quotehttps://www.psychceu.com/miller/Miller_Hostage_Neg.pdf

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 04:14:26 pm
content: There is no telling how the government works out who to shoot in the city, but this is how they work out who to shoot in the jungle.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 04:26:44 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 15, 2015, 04:10:18 pmEDIT: Entirety of the previous quotes left intact just because it's amusing. "Yeah, but still that may be the case but it doesn't fit the propaganda I'm trying to spread so this instead..."No, at the end of the day it was the direct result of the hostage takers actions. One misreport before a full investigation could be made is not a cover up,especially when those who according to you killed 3 people to stop someone sending letters were the ones who discovered and disclosed that one of the deaths attributed to the killer was due to a ricochet from a police officer.Could the police have handled it better? Probably. Did they make him take hostages and shoot one of them? No.QuoteAnd this was one of the 5% of times that didn't work due to the hostage takers actions.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 04:38:46 pm
content: Quote

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 04:42:02 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 15, 2015, 04:26:44 pmYa think ?

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 04:45:29 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 15, 2015, 04:38:46 pmOne anonymous source makes unconfirmed claim. Case closed then. They must have made him take hostages so they had an excuse to shoot him for sending letters. There you go, you've got your excuse for not even trying to do anything about what you whine about so you've still got something to whine about. All it took was a bunch of lies and major misrepresentations.And stop upping the point size please. It's worse than all caps ffs.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 05:00:29 pm
content: If they had done anything that was not a complete embarrassment to themselves, they'd be raving and telling the media and giving each other awards. Why are they not telling everyone what a great job they did ? Why are they outright misleading and lying to parliament and everyone else and otherwise covering everything up ? You think this complete cock-up is going to be written down and studied in textbooks as how to handle hostage situations ? I don't think so.Their incompetence and cowardice got everyone killed. (you know, who died that day, not like of cancer 6 months later)Note for NSA who is listening and planning to storm my house for criticising the government. IT WASN'T ME, It was two chickens !!!!!

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 06:38:57 pm
content: Deathwish has personal contact with the OSA.I am not doubting your inventiveness Deathwish, but I suspect that rather than breaking some new ground, you were treading on something that had already been developed behind closed doors. The alternative is to believe that someone recognized your doodles, understood them, figured out their implications to the current world order and took action. All fairly quickly.Whether all of this behind the walls development is a good thing is another topic of debate. In the movies and the history books it is always portrayed heroically. The boffins save the day with something that was developed "just in time". In reality I suspect a lot of development (both of hardware and tactics to use that hardware) is delayed incredibly because the people who would benefit don't even know it exists.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 09:05:10 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on August 12, 2015, 08:32:09 amThe governments don't like things that can guide missiles precisely...I have read somewhere that the USA didn't wan't to give public access to the GPS untill EU decided to build Galileo (which they tried to convince EU not to since Galileo was intended to be a civilian precision navigation system from the start). The EU decision is what eventually made Clinton disable the crypto on GPS in peacetime. Even so, GPS units are supposed to have certain speed and altitude limits built in to prevent their use in military applications, the civilian channels can be disabled at any time of course. I don't really understand why USA worried about Galileo so much since the Russians and Chinese already have their own satellite navigation systems (although they too are primarily intended for military use, not civilian like Galileo, but in that case who are they afraid of?)

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 09:37:35 pm
content: Quote from: apis on August 15, 2015, 09:05:10 pmSome people in high places in the US are seemingly worried about ebil terr'rists, not the Chinese nor the Russians...Raytheon has build a system of two semi-permanent airships, aerostats, hovering near D.C., carrying powerful radar systems. Their purpose: Detect incoming cruise missiles.Seems the DIY cruise missile project didn't live in vain.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 09:48:59 pm
content: Only GPS units marketed in the US have to have altitude and/or velocity limitations (ISTR there's a third parameter too that might or might not need to be included as part of the analysis). For mass market devices, devices are build to a lowest common denominator, and there simply aren't enough people wanting a derestricted device.Derestricted units are available. Zarlink used to have one some years ago for example. If money is no object you can purchase modules from non-US satellite parts manufacturers.About five years ago, a group of three Cambridge undergrads spent three weeks living on pizza and coffee, and came up with their own unrestricted GPS for use on high altitude balloon flights. I told them they should sell it, but I guess they didn't get the value of it.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 10:00:37 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on August 15, 2015, 09:48:59 pmOr they just didn't care about that bit, it was just the means to an end.Or they just don't care about money after a certain point. It's easy to do if you're low maintenance and have a comfortable income.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 10:03:51 pm
content: Quote from: ElectroIrradiator on August 15, 2015, 09:37:35 pmYeah, I've noticed. Sadly those guys seems to be able to do a lot of damage without access to any special technology at all.Quote from: ElectroIrradiator on August 15, 2015, 09:37:35 pmHadn't heard about those projects before, thanks!

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 10:05:02 pm
content: My doodles had nothing to do with anything anyone else ever did. Apart from certificates for Mechanics I have no public claim to fame.I dont trust our Govt as far as I can throw it but I also do not sit with tin foil round my head. I also know of one person who designed something and they hounded him destroyed his family and made him bankrupt until they got the design legally and cheap - it sits on a shelf in some back room never to be used.I lived on R.A.F bases most of my life and so I saw a lot of propulsion and mechanics, I also lived in Tadley and Burghfield Common, but have NO scientific background. Its all I will say.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2015, 10:31:45 pm
content: Quote from: Deathwish on August 15, 2015, 10:05:02 pmNo one's accusing you of copying anyone, just saying that your idea was maybe something someone else independently came up with at roughly the same time but approached others about first. The way I work makes that happen to me a lot lol.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2015, 10:57:46 pm
content: After reading through this thread, I am going to invest in a tin foil company and a hat company. Looks like business could be booming...

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2015, 12:28:38 am
content: My fear is not so much the government but IP laws as they are too powerful and arn't treated like other laws where you need due process before someone can be prosecuted. They can just fast track you in the court and in jail or demand huge sums of money you wont have before you even realize you did something wrong. These days practically everything is patentable and IP laws can be used against small guys to shut them down. So if you design something and it starts to actually do well some company will see this and can start patenting the most absurd things so you can be sued. Like if you make the circuit board a certain shape they'll patent that shape. Even if you have lot of money to start patenting stuff you can't think of every possible thing. Apple patented rounded corners. Who the hell would have thought of patenting that? A single lawsuit from a megacorp will pretty much bankrupt the average person even if it does not proceed all the way to the end.Though there are certain things that may get the government's attention and put you in trouble, like if you actually managed to create a free energy device of sorts that actually works or perform a revolution in encryption, information sharing, etc.Another thing that is probably more realistic to worry about is conflict of interest with the company you work for. For example my company has a clause that anything I invent even on my spare time they legally have rights to it and fully own it. This means if I was to start a side gig where I have a secondary income and sell a product/service I invented, if my company decides they like that product they can just take it from right under me and I am no longer allowed to produce it. I never actually heard of that clause being used against anyone though, but it's there.

author: briselec
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2015, 12:40:13 am
content: Funny someone should mention the movie Sneakers, I think Mother has changed his name to TheElectricChicken

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2015, 08:52:24 am
content: For all those who are paranoid, get this utility and check your computers for government hacking.https://www.rooksecurity.com/hacking-team-malware-detection-utility/For the rest. Big companies and governments will try buy any ideas you have that are any good a trail of bloody bodies is just not good for the image.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2015, 10:16:16 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on August 22, 2015, 08:52:24 am....and permanently shelve them. Nothing new.

author: wagon
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2015, 11:09:26 am
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on August 21, 2015, 12:28:38 amAnd you agreed to work for them?

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2015, 11:28:26 am
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on August 21, 2015, 12:28:38 amProbably because there's a good chance that clause isn't actually legal if applies to something that isn't directly related to your work. And in some jurisdictions not only would that clause be null and void because of that but if they tried to enforce it the whole contract could be thrown out and you'd default to statutory workers and employees rights.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 04:17:29 am
content: Quote from: wagon on August 23, 2015, 11:09:26 amMost decent paying jobs have agreements like that. The bigger/higher profile the company the more strict they tend to be. For example if you work for Microsoft you're not allowed to go work for Google within 1 year or something like that, and I presume Apple. Vise versa is probably true as well. My job itself, and pay, and environment etc I could not ask for better. You can't really start picking and choosing based on agreements like this In this job market. They could put practically anything they want in there... At the end of the day you have to put food in the table and pay the bills.

author: AG6QR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:28:33 am
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on August 21, 2015, 12:28:38 amSounds to me like you're still saying you're afraid of the government. The court system is a part of the government. The IP laws are passed by the government. The problem you describe is one where a megacorp can use the full power of the government to enforce its claims on IP and bankrupt the small innovator.The government being used by a megacorp via the court system isn't quite the same as the government doing something on its own initiative to stifle innovation. In fact, it's often worse. But make no mistake: it is the government which, through the laws it passes, makes its might available to be used by the megacorps to do their bidding.

author: ez24
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timestamp: September 12, 2015, 06:11:20 am
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author: Galenbo
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timestamp: September 12, 2015, 08:23:21 am
content: Quote from: AG6QR on September 12, 2015, 05:28:33 amOur government does that too. There are innovation seminars, innovation awards, innovation receptions, innovation wine and toasts, it's very nice to be invited in those circles.Everything goes on to a very high standard, you can't be frugal in areas where every time some millions are distributed.Mostly, after the happening, they are all supporter to put the innovation-button to ON.

author: G7PSK
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timestamp: September 12, 2015, 03:56:32 pm
content: I cannot see why any government or corporation would want to buy an idea just to shelve it.If the idea would make them money or be of use they would use it, unless of course your idea was for a black hole manufacturing machine or some other doomsday device.I once had a problem myself and came up with a dry hydraulic coupling device which I made and went as far as patenting it, I then discovered that Dowty had something very similar that is used in aircraft. The patent office did not pick up on this and it was not until I tried to sell my device to Dowty that I found out.I wasted a lot of time and money,but in the late 70's there was no Google.