eevBLAB 120 - DCS sues Youtuber for Defamation! - Threatens entire review indust - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 09, 2024, 09:24:18 am
content: A small Australian company called Deep Cycle Systems (DCS) is suing Youtuber Stephan Fischer from AllOffroad 4x4 Adventures for defamation for (IMO) an honest multi-year battery review and documenting other users experiences with DCS LFP batteries in their 4x4 vehicles.If DCS win this insane lawsuit it will be a threat to the entire review industry, everyone will lose.https://www.youtube.com/@UC825uQNChjLwDQC7B3yZdoQGoFundMe:https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-fight-for-truth-in-youtube-reviewshttps://www.patreon.com/alloffroadDefamation lawsuit playlist:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA2XSq4ONOVJB3uj0xsjcZiGAS1Nd8skVThe two review videos he's being sued for:The Australian government have tested DCS LFP home storage batteries:https://arena.gov.au/projects/testing-the-performance-of-lithium-ion-batteries/Report is here:https://arena.gov.au/assets/2018/05/lithium-ion-battery-testing-public-report-12.pdfThere is some precedent for defamation by companies against individuals in Australia:https://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/CommsLawB/2020/14.pdfhttps://gclegal.com.au/limelight-newsletters/defaming-through-google-reviews/Defamation act 2005:https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/view/whole/html/inforce/current/act-2005-077The battery capacity tester discussed:https://www.amazon.com.au/MakerHawk-Adjustable-Electronic-Intelligent-Resistance/dp/B07F3NHHSTDeep Cycle System website:https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/dcs-battery-tech/Reviews:https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/deep-cycle-systems-dcsOther videos discussing the DCS lawsuit:Louis Rossman:https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=louis+rossmann+dcsJohn Cadogan:4x4 Adventures:

author: dietert1
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2024, 10:24:52 am
content: After watching one of the videos i thought about the 1.5 % accuracy claim in battery capacity measurements. Doing this measurement in a two wire scheme can yield systematically low results, as the 10 A test current can certainly cause a voltage drop of 0.5 V or so, that is already 4 % of 12 V. I didn't notice any four wire setup in the video.Legally it may not be enough to assume Ah and Wh is the same.Regards, Dieter

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2024, 10:32:55 am
content: Wonder if they're also going to sue all the people leaving reviews herehttps://www.productreview.com.au/listings/deep-cycle-systems-dcsInteresting one here suggests maybe they're a 1-man-band importerQuote

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 09, 2024, 11:06:49 am
content: Quote from: dietert1 on August 09, 2024, 10:24:52 amIn the testing video instruction Stephan mentions to run capacity tester until the BMS inside the battery itself does the voltage detection and shutoff.This means that 4-wire testing is irrelevant, as the capacity tester is just essentially a constant current load, timer, and calculator.So seems a legit test to me.

author: snoopy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2024, 11:50:06 am
content: What's with the DCS brand lately because another unrelated dCS tried to sue another youtube reviewer recently for a negative review but the rally cry and negative publicity made them eat humble pie in the endhttps://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/dcs-threatens-with-a-7-figure-lawsuit-over-a-review.55729/

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2024, 12:41:50 pm
content: Did DCS book the all-inclusive Streisand effect full experience package?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 09, 2024, 01:15:00 pm
content: Quote from: snoopy on August 09, 2024, 11:50:06 amA saw that in my search and had to watch it before I figured out it was th same DCS!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 09, 2024, 01:16:03 pm
content: Quote from: madires on August 09, 2024, 12:41:50 pmThe super delux package option!

author: 3roomlab
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2024, 06:43:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 09, 2024, 09:24:18 amwow this batt test docu is really telling

author: dietert1
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2024, 08:58:34 am
content: Please note that these tests labeled "Australian Government" and "Australian Renewable Energy Agency" are executed by a company named ITP in Canberra. Still missing is a serious comparison to lead-acid battery storage. One of the remarks in Stephan Fischers video was "going back to lead-acid". ITP reports describe problems while testing lead-acid battery storage, but i didn't find numbers on capacity fading.We have to be aware that everything made public in this field may be worth millions. In my opinion any result that can't be verified shouldn't be trusted.Regards, Dieter

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 10:30:16 pm
content: Quote from: 3roomlab on August 10, 2024, 06:43:34 amAnd it sounds like they tried their best to compensate and extract the most energy they could.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 10:34:09 pm
content: Quote from: dietert1 on August 10, 2024, 08:58:34 amWho set up a battery test facility based on the government funding. And the data is officially republished by the government.In fact the test result data doesn't seem to be available through the companies website, only via the government portal.So it very fair to say it's "government testing" IMO.https://itpau.com.au/knowledge/itps-battery-test-centre/

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2024, 08:49:08 pm
content: Quote from: dietert1 on August 10, 2024, 08:58:34 amKind of two separate issues here. The going back to lead acid part is only talking about the 12V under-hood lead acid battery. I wouldn't be surprised if the DCS battery is still better than a lead acid.And he could always run some wires to re-locate the battery to an area of the truck that is not so hot. I'd take LFP over lead-acid any day in terms of reliability. Even it meant some extra work.

author: dietert1
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2024, 05:32:11 am
content: Looking at the BYD battery test diagram shown above, it's interesting that the storage capacity increased. Of course it didn't increase physically but they introduced another mode of operation or another mode of measurement that works better. Probably those technologies are still in a pioneering stage.The photovoltaic generators that we built in 2008 will also need a storage system when the government guarantees expire in 2028.Regards, Dieter

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2024, 05:11:06 pm
content: More DCS fun:DCS Uses False Privacy Claim to Silence ANOTHER Reviewer: @WillProwse (by Louis Rossmann)https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/dcs-uses-false-privacy-claim-to-silence:9

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2024, 02:00:03 am
content: DCS seems to have taken the old saying to "shoot oneself in the foot" up a notch or three (I'm thinking mini-gun).... and have completely missed the text book example of the Streisand Effect they have created.Someone described their action as the ultimate "own goal" in marketing. I think the whole exercise is far more gruesome...... and it seems they have either doubled down or just can't see it.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: August 29, 2024, 02:46:54 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on August 29, 2024, 02:00:03 amIt might get more gruesome, stay tuned.

author: ArdWar
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2024, 03:17:17 am
content: Quote from: dietert1 on August 13, 2024, 05:32:11 amI'm not sure if it's that, or if they just went very conservative with initial advertised capacity, setting the max charge by some artificial limit in the BMS, and use the reserve headroom to compensate the aging losses. Kind of like overprovisioning in SSD.Depending on which advertising checkbox you want to tick, I think that's viable strategy. Advertising huge initial capacity is good, but advertising long life with the appearance of low capacity drops can also look very good to consumers that it worth the initial cut.

author: graybeard
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2024, 04:55:54 am
content: DCS has just posted a new marketing video.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: September 15, 2024, 06:32:23 am
content: Quote from: graybeard on September 15, 2024, 04:55:54 amThe comments section is open

author: graybeard
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2024, 07:54:23 am
content: I added this comment before I posted on eevblog

author: richnormand
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timestamp: September 16, 2024, 05:39:00 pm
content: just been there .... still says 0 comments....

author: graybeard
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2024, 02:08:10 am
content: They deleted or hid my comment.

author: richnormand
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 17, 2024, 02:52:25 am
content: Still says 0 comments.I guess there are not many positive ones being posted.......

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 17, 2024, 03:32:55 am
content: Let's see what happens

author: FireBird
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2024, 07:10:54 am
content: Currently not visible.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: March 13, 2025, 03:40:04 am
content: HE WON!Case dismissed!

author: Simmed
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2025, 03:06:15 pm
content: "oh look ... a hair in the battery ... " hahahahe has a nice summary line at the endthere is no reason for any youtuber to side with any of these companiesespecially from china. many of them areoverglorified sticker makers

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2025, 08:34:32 pm
content: Louis Rossmann: DCS reports me to Australian government for cyberbullying

author: Simmed
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2025, 08:43:02 pm
content: lol paul daniels !

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 14, 2025, 10:28:56 pm
content: OMG, this guy has tripled down and complained to eKaren

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 31, 2025, 04:15:04 am
content: Does this guy even have half a clue as to how his response has made the whole issue with his batteries 10000 times worse?Streisand Effect - on steroids!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 31, 2025, 05:06:40 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on March 31, 2025, 04:15:04 amProbably, but he thinks he can win and then it will all magically go away. Delusional.