LeCroy 454 Teardown - Page 1
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author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2016, 07:07:47 pm
content: So here some photo of the inside of the lecroy wavesurfer that I found and picked up in a trash at my university.The PC motherboardThe ScopeThe back of the acquisition boardSomeone know where to find the "WS400 Series Control Program" dvd, and the "Startup Disk for WS400 Series Control Program" floppy disk? I need them for the reinstall the os.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2016, 07:13:43 pm
content: Be carefull with the open frame power supply when working on the scope! What a death-trap

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2016, 09:22:15 pm
content: Quote from: vaualbus on January 23, 2016, 07:07:47 pmNice find! The WaveSurfer 400 was LeCroy's first suitcase format scope. It was made by Iwatsu which means the build quality is very good (better than som of the subsequent WaveSurfer/WaveRunner models). The CPU is a P3 Celeron on a board with a VIA chipset running Windows XP Embedded. It's a pretty slow system but the WaveSurfer 400 didn't had many options and was a more basic scope so that was not much of a problem. Still, it has the great MAUI user interface with touch screen, and makes still a great general purpose scope.The WS400 is a X-Stream scope, however because of the slow processing support for this scope was stopped several years ago, which means the later X-Stream software updates won't work on it.QuoteNo, you don't. You can re-install the scope with a generic Windows XP Pro CD with valid product key (the Embedded one won't work!). However, what you need are the factory calibration files that are in the 'calibration' folder on the 2nd hard drive partition (d:). Without them the scope will not work. So if your scope has still the hard drive the first thing to make sure is to create a backup of that folder.Calibration data aside, all you have to do is to create two partitions (C: and D:). After you have installed XP restore the calibration data on drive D:, then go to the Teledyne LeCroy website, download the last software package for the WaveSurfer 400 and install it. Voila, scope restored.While you're at it I'd recommend to replace the (by now probably on its last legs) 2.5" EIDE hard disk with a modern EIDE SSD (i.e. Transcend, not crap like Kingspec!), which makes working with the scope a lot nicer.

author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2016, 10:29:41 pm
content: I arleady though of change with an ssd and update the ram.But the problem is that I don't have the original hard disk unfortunally.What I should do?I need these software than.But even before I need to make the scope work!https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/lecroy-454-repair/

author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2016, 10:42:56 pm
content: Maybe is possible to upgrade the cpu too?

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2016, 10:58:18 pm
content: Nice find!QuoteTimes have changed. You know I have to ask, did you try it?

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2016, 01:16:00 pm
content: Quote from: vaualbus on January 23, 2016, 10:29:41 pmThe software for recreating the installation is factory-proprietary and not available to outsiders. If you can't get hold of the original drive (maybe ask around, whoever dumped the scope may still have it) then the only way to restore the calibration data is a factory calibration done by LeCroy.On a positive note, it may not be even that expensive.Quote from: joeqsmith on January 23, 2016, 10:58:18 pm

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2016, 02:15:12 pm
content: Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on January 24, 2016, 01:16:00 pmOld age setting in?Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on April 13, 2015, 04:28:46 pm

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2016, 03:12:08 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on January 24, 2016, 02:15:12 pmI guess then you obviously missed that I also said, several times since then, thatthe issue has been fixed in the later Transcend PATA SSDs (like yours)?This aside, it's still a problem with many EIDE-to-SATA brigdes and 44pin cables.

author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2016, 05:15:41 pm
content: Any way I have to repair the scope first.Please take a look at the post I linked before!

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2016, 05:21:25 pm
content: No doubt they work as I have been running two of them for some time now in my scopes. Yes, you have stated that you believe they corrected the problem.What I am asking is if you personally have installed one in your own scope yet? Not trying to call you out. The only reason I ask is I am curious if you are basing your advice on my experience, which is only one data point or if you have now seen it work for yourself.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2016, 05:28:06 pm
content: Quote from: vaualbus on January 24, 2016, 05:15:41 pmI had read your post on the suspected power supply problems. Sorry but I have no experience with that DSO. Have you looked into seeing if a service manual was available for it?

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2016, 05:47:10 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on January 24, 2016, 05:21:25 pmWell, my WR64Xi is still in pieces (just can't find the time) but my WP7300A runs fine with an intel SATA SSD since conversion (which I did immediately after I got it).Funny enough, a long time ago I had a similar scope as the OP (a WS 422) and I tried SSDs, but that also caused silent corruption due to the described issue. But I'm sure had I tried with a current Transcend PATA SSD then it would probably work fine.QuoteWell, aside from the LeCroy's I had and still have various gear where I replaced hard drives with SSDs, i.e. my R&S FSP spectrum analyzer (Windows XP Pro), or the various R&S CMU200 (DOS) and CRTUs (DOS+Windows 2000) I had. Spinning rust in test gear is like a ticking time bomb and drives drives in 2nd hand instruments are often starting to show issues, so when I get a new device these days I always replace it with a SSD (after creating a disk backup of course). Aside from the issue with the 44pin UDMA modes I never had a problem, although to be fair, I haven't come across a similar config (using long 44pin EIDE cables) as in those LeCroy scopes. Usually it's either newer kit with SATA (most easy variant), or it's 40pin/80pin EIDE (which doesn't suffer from the data corruption issue), and the few cases like the R&S CMU200/CRTU which uses 44pin EIDE the cable is really short (approx 3cm) and the controller is so old that it doesn't run excessive UDMA modes.I like LeCroy scopes, I really do, but the disk interface in those older suitcase-style scopes wasn't really a great solution.

author: pravardhan85
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 15, 2016, 05:37:16 am
content: Hi Alberto Vaudagna,We had a chat personally in your gmail email on 24th Jan 2016, if you remember.Any improvements on your Wavesurfer 454 scope?I have the HDD in the scope and i want to know if i connect an ordinary ATX SMPS to the motherboard, will the scope boot? What connectors and boards have to be removed or kept?The power supply section of this scope is so bad and all the wire colours are in grey. I have to meet the person(s) who designed this scope (I am just joking).Since you are looking for the software and I have the HDD, may be i can help you if i can boot my scope and give you the contents in the D drive. Or may be image recovery of the HDD.Thanks & Bye,Pravardhan U.S

author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2017, 05:09:16 pm
content: Sorry for the late late response. If you connect a PSU to the motherboard it run and boot off the hard disk with no problems. Now I wish you still have the HDD cable because in that case the HDD is powered by the motherboard arleady.

author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 10:56:54 am
content: SO update. I have not the scope up and running, install windows Xp convert a 40pin ide cable to a 44pin ide cableso I can use a smaller harddrive (that was very painfull). So now the only think I miss the factory calibration data. Anyone with one of this scope will share to me the factory cal data that are in D:Thanks,

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 11:20:16 am
content: Quote from: vaualbus on July 14, 2017, 10:56:54 amNot a good idea. First, 40pin IDE and 44pin IDE have a different pitch width, and because the scope uses UDMA you really want to get the additional grounding the 80/88 conductor cable that the standard dictates for UDMA-66 and up to avoid data corruption.An alternative might be one of the cheap IDE-SATA bridges that can be plugged in the board's IDE connector and convert that to a SATA port and power port. Then just use a standard SATA cable, run the power cable and connect a SATA hard drive.QuoteThere are a few WaveSurfer 400 Series scopes on ebay, you could try asking the sellers if they would share the cal data with you.

author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 11:58:16 am
content: Ya I knew that was not a good idea but I wanted (I had another old HD that uise the notmal 40pin ide, around but I find that was not working) the scope to run, I will buy and undapter sometimes soon.So I will try on ebay then. I wished that somebody here have one of this scope and can help me!

author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 12:12:50 pm
content: Any way do you know if the scope should working alsop without cal data? Or it supposed to no working?

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 01:22:15 pm
content: It will work without calibration data, although it will complain during loading of the X-Stream scope software, and it can't be trusted that measurements or even waveshapes are correct.If you get it working reliably I'd consider sending it to LeCroy for calibration.

author: abraxa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 03:08:00 pm
content: If you want, I can send you the calib data of a 454. You can download the software athttp://teledynelecroy.com/support/softwaredownload/documents.aspx?sc=12(select WaveSurfer 400). Hope you can get the scope up and running

author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 04:16:45 pm
content: yes please send me the cal data

author: vaualbus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 08:22:54 pm
content: So how you do the self test on this scope??