Thermato imager on Kickstarter - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: MLXXXp
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2022, 08:23:36 pm
content: This campaign appeared on Kickstarter today:Thermato—the most versatile thermal imagerWhat do you think of it?Does it look like a viable project?Is the price reasonable?Any drawbacks to whatever technology they're using?It's their first campaign. Do you think it has a chance of success?

author: ArsenioDev
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2022, 08:37:29 pm
content: That looks like a modified Guide PC210, res matches and there's not many cores that have that res in this class.

author: MLXXXp
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2022, 08:47:21 pm
content: Quote from: ArsenioDev on September 01, 2022, 08:37:29 pmThanks. I think you're right.I don't even know how much they're modifying it. Their description is pretty much the same at the Guide PC210.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2022, 08:53:40 pm
content: I would recommend that you purchase a camera that is already in production from one of the several players in this market segment.Look at the similar products from Infiray, UNI-T and Guide Sensmart. They are available ,now, have been tested on this forum and are good value for money. I see nothing in that Kickstarter that would encourage me to risk my money on it. The stated specifications is now common in budget cameras that use the Infiray and Guide Sensmart imaging cores.What also caught my eye was something odd in the stated specifications.... it claims to have a resolution of 256 x 192 (49152 pixels) yet offers only 19200 measurement pixels. 19200 pixels is 160 x 120 pixel resolution. Did they originally use a 160 x 120 pixel core and then moved to a 256 x 192 pixel core and failed to update the measurement specification ?Fraser

author: MLXXXp
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2022, 09:01:23 pm
content: Quote from: Fraser on September 01, 2022, 08:53:40 pmTrue, the specs in the images state "19200 Temperature Measurements" but the text below those images is:"It is all thanks to the 256*192 resolution detection, every image is made up of 49152 pixels."

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2022, 10:01:38 am
content: But it's quite a strong price, if it truly was a rebranded PC210.. it's almost like 50% of what a PC210 costs in Europe.I don't know how Kickstarter operates when it comes to EU and VAT / Tax (never purchased/backed a product on Kickstarter) but I would guess, you would be taxed to the moon & back- if you backed such a product, and when it arrived to EU.?Hence the 19.200 pixels..Thermato gives some diffuse explanation in the comments.Quote

author: Vipitis
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timestamp: September 03, 2022, 10:12:38 am
content: I have never seen it this way around. A lot of products, mainly monoculars always state something like 1024x800 resolution while meaning the display for the EVF yet the detector is 384x288. They seem to mean it the opposite way around. Where their field a really low resolution LCD to the back of the camera and think of all those display pixels(never heard of subpixels perhaps) as data points for you eye(?).the visible light camera being the exact same resolution sounds extremely sketchy. Not impossible. But almost as if they don't know or won't tell.Their whole sales pitch is "for beginners" so technical Details might not matter.

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2022, 10:36:38 am
content: On the GuideSense PC210/230 that does seem to deliver a cleaner picture than other 256x192 handhelds.. like fx Uni-t 260B..If it's down to GuideIR's so-calledSharpAialgorithm.. I dont know.."Guide's SharpAi" does various optimization on the fly - such as defogging, sharpening, contrast enhancement, and lossless magnification to enhance clarity.....GuideSense units like PC210 are also using an edge-detection algorithm that looks a lot like Flir's MSX-variant and seems just as potent from the looks of it..I reckon GuideSense is calling it MIF mode.So if your suddenly are seeing rebranded variants of fx Guide PC210(230 handhelds, it can be quite a con if these features are not implemented on third-party rebranded units, and only reserved for in-house GuideSense-units..

author: MLXXXp
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2022, 12:35:40 am
content: Quote from: Vipitis on September 03, 2022, 10:12:38 amWell, after I pointed out that they were wasting expensive sensor pixels by down-sizing for a lower resolution display, their "tech team" apparently came to their senses (pun intended) and have decided to change to a 256x192 display to match the sensor.However, if the sensor really is 256x192, it makes me wonder how they can sell it for half the price of any equivalent resolution device I can find on the market.It's likely I'll cancel my pledge before the deadline.

author: MLXXXp
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2022, 10:49:01 pm
content: In case anyone cares, this campaign was suspended by Kickstarter shortly before it was due to end.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2022, 10:34:36 pm
content: I cannot say that I am surprised….. the whole campaign appeared “flaky”