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author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 04:33:38 am
content: DigiKey stupid bot check!"At DigiKey, we're big fans of Robots." "Our website, however, is still just for humans. Please click and hold the button below to verify you are one."I want 10 seconds of my life back and sore finger EVERYTIME it shows up. My lawyer bills out well over $1 for that 10 seconds of nothing! A terrible website, still.You have dozens of analytics companies that know my IP address yet seem to have no idea that I'm not a bot.Oh look Mouser doesn't have this stupid press and hold crap. A bot can surely "press and hold" anyway?

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 05:41:55 am
content: Mouser has captcha too. I use VPN and it triggers the captcha a lot. Mouser uses the sliding puzzle piece one.Just went there and searched for a random part number - got to see a beautiful picture.No idea how it is supposed to work. This seems trivial for a computer to solve.

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 07:38:52 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on May 15, 2024, 05:41:55 amSolve it like a computer perfectly straight lines of movement and immediate attention and it'll notice, solve it like a human with wiggly movement and some thinking time and it lets you though.Better than the aggressive reCAPTCHA tests that if you solve it quickly come back with n more questions until you've done "sufficient" work for google.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 09:38:51 am
content: Shooting yourself in the foot and losing customers is fashionable now...I think the simple solution is to update the date in the cookies so that the last captcha check is always fresh.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 09:39:25 am
content: It's because web development today is done by clowns. Also, we changed your completely functional website now, and it's a lot of white space, less info for the screen. But at least it renders on a phone now, that nobody uses.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 am
content: Quote from: tszaboo on May 15, 2024, 09:39:25 amThis is because they are young and have never seen the WinNT (XP classic) interface - compact, intuitive, businesslike and convenient.

author: BrokenYugo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 01:12:37 pm
content: Glad I'm not the only one who can use a computer well enough I get confused for a robot constantly.There are businesses/sites I don't use anymore due to this constant captcha crap. Like I don't buy car parts without looking them up first, can't look anything up at Oreilly without constant captchas, so screw em, one of the other big ones in town gets the money.Making me work to do business because someone else's security sucks is a surefire way to piss me off, if I want to play games I have a large collection of better ones. Besides, didn't pushing buttons all day for someone else used to come with a paycheck? Where's my money for all this work we're doing? I want at least a dollar per interruption.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 01:18:24 pm
content: Quote from: BrokenYugo on May 15, 2024, 01:12:37 pmThey are excited that someone will use the information for free - they are greedy.If you visit to Chinese sites, especially video hosting - there is complete paranoia with captchas.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 01:56:30 pm
content: Quote from: Someone on May 15, 2024, 07:38:52 amWell, obviously the solver should add randomness to the movement. Don't even need to do anything smart, just record a few different movement patterns and use those as a solution.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 07:25:49 pm
content: With such a primitive test "press and hold", I think it's just a money parasite for their website developers to enable.What will a bot do anyway at DigiKey's website? Scrape pricing and stock info, for some other distributor to give us a better deal? DDoS attack the 555 timer product page?Is DigiKey putting any money into their website's customer experience?I tried looking for a linear voltage regulator and choosing 3.3V output was a nightmare of shit picklists. They are full of stupid.Any bots roaming that will just get poisoned... oh wait that's their website strategy. A poison pill for AI and bots.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2024, 09:40:26 pm
content: Many sales sites use anti-bot measures, aliexpress, taobao, ebay, etc. Plenty of reasons to do so: account hijacks, ddos, payment fraud, hacking, maybe scraping if it slows down the site.Ranting about conspiracies here will have no impact, either stop using digikey, or tell them you are disappointed with the web experience using the feedback button.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2024, 07:55:26 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on May 15, 2024, 09:40:26 pmI think people have the right and the inclination to share their thoughts with each other.Just give an opinion and listen to something else. Just to talk about problems, etc.Maybe this is inefficient, but these are normal people, they are not files that need to be distributed strictly according to the algorithm.

author: Daixiwen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2024, 11:24:03 am
content: You can always get a bot to solve the captcha for you and save some timehttps://github.com/dessant/busterOne can dream that one day all those sites will realize captchas are obsolete.

author: jpyeron
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 02:21:23 am
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on May 15, 2024, 09:53:35 amUm, NT 3.51 - fast and crisp, could minimize anything out of the way - no "task bars". And yes, I yell at people to get off my lawn too.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 10:58:12 am
content: Quote from: tszaboo on May 15, 2024, 09:39:25 am... and the little info that is shown is trapped in a tiny window in the middle of the browser's window... with scrollbars so that you can see the useful stuff "hidden underneath" all that whitespace... so that you can't see the part number column and the data column at the same time, and have to scroll horizontally until you are seasick

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 11:08:06 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on June 07, 2024, 10:58:12 amWe are outraged and surprised. But why is this happening?Why do people appear who are cut off from life, who do not understand how bad their work is?Why did people have a concept of convenience and harmony 20-30 years ago, and now there are terrible incompetents on the stage?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 10:54:58 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on June 07, 2024, 11:08:06 amBecause software development has been widely democratized in the past 20 years and quantity became more important than quality.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 12:43:13 am
content: Digi-Key did get back to me saying the repeating bot test was due to my "old browser". Yet the problem was fixed afterwards with no change to my browserThe web developers don't know anything about electronic components, and their management seems uninterested in making the website better.In the end, everybody appears busy and takes home a paycheque.Sometimes I see improvements, but no - I just tried choosing a voltage in picklist search-filter for linear Vreg.Type in "5V" and everything containing a "5V" shows up like "-19.5V" or "3.3V, 2.5V, 2.63V" FFSWebsite still considers it a text string most of the time. Sigh. After all these years, EE's can't enter a number to the Digi-Key website without Idiocracy happening.For fun, tried to buy 2032 lithium coin cells. There supposedly are issues shipping lithium batteries - but the US has a small cell exemption they seem to be bungling. No CR2032 is blowing up or burning anything, ever.Search results gave me marketplace-only listed "Jaunch America" and $41 shipping and "This product is unavailable in your selected currency."Why the currency error message? Change to $USD and it's $30 shipping for the $0.35 battery, hilarious.This is no fewer than 4 website errors. Sigh.

author: Tony_G
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 12:48:07 am
content: This has to be some evil combination of non-US country and marketplace making the results even worse than normal (and I love DigiKey).I searched for CR1632 and got a reasonable result.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 12:56:41 am
content: Marketplace is crap. This is not that different than just buying from Amazon, stuff is shipped by random no name companies that paid DK to list their items. They claim to vet their vendors in the marketing text, yet actual legal text lets them do whatever.But they must make a ton of money on this if they are willing to significantly crapify their site for that.The second result is the item actually shipped by DK from their warehouse.

author: xvr
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 07:22:44 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on June 08, 2024, 12:56:41 amAgree. Personally, I start my DigiKey search by setting 'Product Status' to 'Active', checking 'Stocking option'/'In stock' and 'Marketplace product'/'Exclude'.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2024, 01:38:37 am
content: Sub-branding - putting no-name vendors underneath the trusted DigiKey brand name, seems dodgy.I've never bought from marketplace sellers - either their pricing is ridiculous or where they ship from some planet far away or they sound like a street person."*Marketplace products are not included in DigiKey's free shipping calculations as they ship separately from the vendor."If I want cheap, high risk parts for hobby stuff I'll buy direct with no middleman. Got a reel of diodes from Shenzhen booth 1/10 the price. They work fine.Canada CR2032 only shows marketplace "Jaunch America", but "unavailable in your selected currency". No sign of Energizer, Duracell, Panasonic etc.What was the point again of this garbage listing you can't actually buy? So the Marketplace is not only random quality but also junky listings.How hard is it to properly put the restricted shipping tag on their website item, or 'ships via ground only' (but not in America...) whatever the excuse is, this is basic e-commerce.

author: mendip_discovery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2024, 10:06:26 am
content: With it being so easy to just run a script to search sites you end up with a large number of website hits not being actual customers but a whole load of people tying up resources.My gallery has been hammered recently, by AI bots after images for the algorithms and by a subset trying to take down my site so that they can hack the local parish website on the same server. Since banning a whole bunch of bots I managed to get the data transfered to drop by 1TB. The problem was that many were using AWS, and even Facebook IP addresses to bombard my websites, its the API access.So on one hand I can see why some sites need to put in place some sort of challenge system. On the other side I guess it stops someone putting a site together that gathers prices etc so you can compare sites.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2024, 09:21:35 pm
content: Every character typed, every mouse click - gets sent to the many analytics sites in real time. Look at the Javascript.If I type a part name (say 10 characters) and then backspace to correct a spelling mistake (5 back, 5 new), I've seen the website flip out and think you are a bot for "too many search requests". Then you get the boot, once I got banned lol.The search box must get bots scraping the autofill results or something.

author: Faranight
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 11, 2024, 11:27:37 am
content: <rant>Well, well... it would finally seem that I am not the only person with these problems after all.Good to know that captchas and bot checks are getting on people's nerves other than my own and causing headaches.Does anyone care to design an "aspirin" for this problem? If so, where do I sign up?</rant>Anyhow, I've also been hit by this problem. I normally use Mouser and found out that you get bot-checked in your face, if you click on the links or filters too fast. Changing my habit to introduce some delay (10s) between page views has somewhat helped. I also run a number of browser addons to protect my privacy online, and these "security" checks generally don't like them very much. Honestly, I think Cloudflare and hCaptcha are the worst. For some reason it is expected that everyone on the internet must run the browsers in their vanilla configuration, and if you deviate then you must be a robot. I do have a problem with this attitude because whenever these security checks don't work, it's typically blamed on the user and the browser, but never on the website itself. Obey our demands or else you don't get to browse, so FU.

author: EPAIII
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 12, 2024, 09:40:19 am
content: The problem is the web developers are supervised by, guess who. WEB DEVELOPERS! They read about the latest and greatest ways to set up web sites and are absolutely convinced that it must be done that way. And that is what they expect from their department full of web developers.They have the latest and greatest computers with the absolute latest operating systems. They have the latest and greatest programs for developing the web sites. They have as much memory as their latest and greatest computers can possibly hold. And they take advantage of every bit of those advantages. They don't have any computers that are even six months old - why would they? Oh, and they have the latest and greatest cell phones. So they have absolutely NO IDEA as to how their web sites will perform with anything that is even the slightest bit less than the latest and greatest in every single respect. Why would they even want to know? It works on THEIR computers and cell phones.If you want web sites that work for the average Joe, you need to have those developers work for a person who has NO understand of how they are doing things. For a person who has a ten year old computer with half the memory that was recommended when it was new. A computer that is bogged down with tons and tons of malware. A computer that is three generations behind in it's operating system. And when they tell this department head that the site is operating great, he/she tries it out with that computer and his/her complete lack of how to use the super slick "features" they created and they are yelled at so loud that the building shakes.They are NOT writing software to please themselves with how smart and slick their web pages are. They are there to write software to allow an 85 yo grandmother with ZERO knowledge of the internet to find and buy what is being sold. And to do it super easily and quickly.If I were running such a department, every desk would have two computers and two cell phones. At around 2 PM the "latest and greatest" ones would be shut OFF. For the rest of the day each and every one of the developers would spend the rest of his or her day trying to use the web sites they are creating with the ten year old computers and cell phones that are chocking with malware. Once a week they would be asked to invite their grandmothers in to try and use the sites they created. Or perhaps people selected at random off the street. Or perhaps from an old folks home.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 20, 2024, 01:07:33 am
content: Quote from: floobydust on June 08, 2024, 12:43:13 amScroll down and click the 5V output, its still way better than mouser/newark/etc. Maybe you can suggest to them to support quotes in the filter.QuoteI have had CR2032's pop and burn up, its very very rare but happens. A few out of 20,000+ cells, not sure of the exact cause.Anyway, they don't want to ship lithium batteries to Canada due to the additional hassle it requires, which is completely fair. Google TDG regulations.If you actually want to purchase CR2032s, either get them from Ebay from a canadian seller or from Amazon, then they can ship local mail.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 20, 2024, 03:28:57 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on June 20, 2024, 01:07:33 amI choose Output Type: Fixed, Number of regulators: 1Here's the Digikey picklist of {censored}:Voltage - Output (Min/Fixed)...4.9V4.9V (5V)4.95V5V5V, 3.3V5V, 5V5.05V5.1V5.14V5.15V...Most of the values are silly. What do the mystery brackets mean and why multi-value? I've always wanted a 5.14V regulator not a 5.15V oneThey don't understand there is a nominal value with a tolerance window. This is just for a linear voltage regulator. They've been around over 50 years and a very rudimentary search returns silly results that take time to manually filter out in my fuzzy head.Mouser's picklist:...4.6V5V5.05V6V7V...Quote from: thm_w on June 20, 2024, 01:07:33 amI remember hazloc testing CR2032 and they hard short them and nothing happened that could start a fire, so the agency said. I think for Zone 2.Shipping I hear the barrier is due to the complex paperwork to get them into Canada. Unfortunately grocery stores ask $7 for a CR2032 (Energizer) now and price-gouging for brand-name coin cells is rampant.