Are we living in 1984? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: alpher
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 02:09:35 am
content: Here's the original that comes from youtube search for "money for nothing" in Canada:Yet next video is this live in AustraliaFuck me if that doesn't belong to archives of ministry of truth.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 02:13:50 am
content: it's a mystery to me.The game commences.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 02:15:50 am
content: Looks like we'll be gettin money for nothin, about $600 in a few weeks.

author: alpher
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 02:27:14 am
content: I Bought my BTC !

author: alpher
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 03:07:29 am
content: How can you trust what you see, if even the past can be changed.We're fucked!

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 03:17:52 am
content: Don't try to bend the spoon - that's impossible. Only try to realize the truth."What truth?"There is no spoon. Then you will see, it is not the spoon that bends, but only yourself.

author: Gregg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 03:54:14 am
content: Quote from: alpher on December 28, 2020, 03:07:29 amWe are getting closer to George Orwell's 1984 every year.

author: I wanted a rude username
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 04:04:28 am
content: What exactly are you pointing at here? If you mean how in the Australian live performance, Knopfler replaces two of the three "faggot"s with "mother", he routinely did that kind of thing, with "weenie", "maggot", maybe other words. Live Aid is a good example.This doesn't change the fact that increased centralisation and control of content on the Internet makes thought control easier, but seems like a poor example.

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 04:48:30 am
content: I doubt there is anything sinister going on there. The Canadian version you found is from the Weird Al movie UHF and might be more recognizable in North America because of that.But very 1984ish things have happened like redefining the term "86" and more recently "doctor".

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 05:08:06 am
content: As a "faggot" I actually love Dire Straits. Grew up with it. (Maybe there was some suppressed homosexuality there?) ;-)Seriously though, in that song, I don't think "faggot" referred to gay people. It would be like someone in Australia calling someone a "dickhead". It can be taken positively as well as negatively. My best friend is fondly referred to as "DH" in correspondence.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 05:21:30 am
content: Bowdlerization is nothing new.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_BowdlerSomehow, we survived as a species.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 06:33:12 am
content: Quote from: I wanted a rude username on December 28, 2020, 04:04:28 amIf there is indeed a agenda based around content centralisation, I put it to you that due to said centralisation, more ppl than ever, per capita, are acutely aware of all the fuckery going on around them.

author: I wanted a rude username
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 07:30:27 am
content: Not anagendaso much as companies want to monetise information, and they can't monetise what they don't have. Facebook could have been designed like the laterDiaspora, but its founding doesn't seem to have been motivated by privacy ... quite the opposite.You are right that centralisation makes it easier to control the flow of lies, and harmfulmemessuch as Da'ish. However, when the majority (or even a strident minority) holds a certain point of view to be a lie ... even though it is true ... this centralised control becomes censorship.We are in a weird moment of both great freedom of information, and increasingly effective means to control it. That control is tightening much faster on the Facebooks and YouTubes than on the EEVblogs and 4chans.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2020, 08:18:29 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 28, 2020, 05:08:06 amI'm pretty sure it was referring to homosexuals, I mean look at the rest of those lines:"See the little faggot with the earring and the makeupYeah buddy that's his own hair"The speaker is referring to glam metal performers, the whole hairspray, makeup and feminine style on men thing that was popular for a while in the 70s and 80s. I read somewhere that the song came from a conversation Knoppfler overheard in an appliance store, a couple of workers in the back referring to a music video that was playing on a TV. I don't think it's hard to imagine a couple of underpaid redneck boobs saying derogatory things about a wealthy rock star, it certainly wouldn't be the first time someone made fun of a guy for feminine traits/style/behavior. Especially back in the 70s-80s when homosexuality was far less accepted in society than it is today.Ultimately it's just a song, and doesn't really seem like that big of a deal. Too many people have become far too sensitive in recent years and take things far too personally.

author: bsfeechannel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2020, 01:20:37 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 28, 2020, 05:08:06 amFor those who speak Spanish, a fagot is both someone who plays a bassoon and the instrument itself.

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2020, 01:38:55 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 28, 2020, 05:08:06 amI've always understood/believed that the original word 'faggot' referred to a bunch of sticks to use in a fire!

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2020, 06:12:23 pm
content: Quote from: I wanted a rude username on December 28, 2020, 07:30:27 amMakes sense.And yes the moment is very weird regarding information. Information has never been as profuse and easy to access, yet it's also becoming increasingly easy to mislead people (at all levels) and pass truth for lies, and lies for truth.That said, whether there is an actual "agenda" or not doesn't matter in the end, if the end result is the same.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2021, 10:53:09 am
content: If Bob Dylan lived in a certain country and wrote Masters of War today, he would be arrested for "spreading rumours" and be given 20 years in a "vocational training centre". These days the weapon of choice is "1984" technology. It is used for extensively for surveillance, lying, brainwashing, concealing the truth - to control of the masses. Tyrants such as Hitler, Mao, Leopold or Stalin could have done their evil deeds far more efficiently in a cashless society where everyone is ID'ed and monitored.A few years ago, an ex-colleague of mine was running a major IT company in Zimbabwe. Robert Mugabe stole all the money out of my friend's company and private bank accounts (he is white), sending my ex-colleague immediately broke and out of business. He and his family were forced to flee Zimbabwe. Mugabe's theft was done easily and digitally - a press of a few buttons on a keyboard. This could happen to anyone who is considered by a tyrannical regime to be "an enemy of the state".1984 has arrived.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2021, 11:49:09 am
content: faggots when served with mashed spuds and peas is a very tasty meal.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2021, 05:36:21 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on January 02, 2021, 10:53:09 amFor sure, those dictators would only have dreamt of current technology (and its widespread use), and would have been able to do much more. We now have everything at disposal for an almost perfect dictatorship. And yet, we seem to believe human societies have become so wise and ethical that they will never use all those tools for such nasty endeavors. Everyone, of course, is free to believe in whatever they like.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2021, 05:54:31 pm
content: What is really sinister is your YouTube search results will be totally different from mine. They say this is because each person's results are tailored to the kind of things they watch, and that can be good. Watch some technical videos and you are offered more. That's nice. The snag is it puts each of us in a bubble. The key thing that differentiates us is how much we realise (or perhaps care) that our search results are tailored to our bubble, and whether we go anonymous from time to time to see what the generic search results might be.Advertisers are usually pretty good at ensuring their dollars route their ads to the maximum eyeballs. However, its amazing how if you work for company X, you get presented with ads for the products and services of X all day long, wherever you go on the internet, and the management of X think everyone on the planet is getting the same exposure to those ads.

author: pardo-bsso
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2021, 07:13:16 pm
content: Here we go back and forth between 2k and 1700 depending on where you are.Also this:https://twitter.com/cyriakharris/status/1344990948846141440

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2021, 11:49:56 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 02, 2021, 05:36:21 pmSpot on. There is already a couple of powerful dictatorship who have made themselves presidents for life. Both silence their adversaries - one by poisoning them, the other by imprisoning those who "spread rumours". Actually the latter is the worst, because he uses technology to censor the truth from the proletariat and grades them based on the level of control they comply to... reminiscent of 1984, Brave New World and a prophetic episode of Black Mirror called Nosedive.People are fundamentally the same now as they have been throughout history. Whilst there are mostly good unselfish people around, there are evil people with a lust for power (and often wealth) who get to the top and need to brainwash the population and use fear to maintain power. Rarely are evil leaders ever brought to justice.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2021, 02:50:56 pm
content: i wonder if that guy had to scrub out some skid markscan you verify the odors? was there presence of corn kernels?

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2021, 09:59:58 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 28, 2020, 05:08:06 amFun music history fact. Marc Hunter got fired for using the word when speaking to the audience.Marc Hunter was also a bit of a DH.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Hunter

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 06, 2021, 10:41:55 am
content: Quote from: james_s on December 28, 2020, 08:18:29 amSo he was jealous but then capitalised on it by writing a song. Clever.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2021, 07:28:42 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on January 06, 2021, 09:59:58 amTrue. I liked Marc Hunter's voice and Dragon's music. Today, Marc Hunter would not have gotten away with a certain act he did on stage once when he was blotto because of technology. Some US cops can't get away with shooting black people these days because Big Brother is watching them - via mobile phone cameras everywhere.There was the cigar smoking toxic waste dump named Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris, paedophiles Garry Glitter and Derek Longmuir (Bay City Rollers). In Australia, we had the incestuous paedophile Jack Perry (Zig from the Zig and Zag clown duo). We had the famed counsellor on radio 3AW in Melbourne named Reverend Dr. Alex Kenworthy who was reported for sexually molested some his female callers whom he would ask to come in "for further counselling"; his son Phillip Kenworthy was a serial rapist from the Surrey Hills area of Melbourne who was convicted on evidence from DNA some 20 years a later.It is possible these creeps were just the tip of the iceberg in the entertainment industry. I think with modern communications and technology, the likelihood of the perpetrators getting away with their crimes is much less than in decades gone by. So in that way, surveillance post 1984 can be a good thing.