FLUKE Kills 87V 28II and many more.. Updated models soon !!  - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 03:23:05 pm
content: We was wondering why Fluke did not respond to Dave about the 87V GSM issue..It looks that they found as good excuse the new safety regulations,and they made one corporal document with the title :PRODUCT END OF LIFE ANNOUNCEMENTBy Sanid Usanovic Feb. 2011From the effective date listed in the table, the followings itemswill no longer be available,also therespective replacement itemsare listed.DMMFLUKE-179/EDA2FLUKE-179/TPAKFLUKE-27IIFLUKE-287FLUKE-287/FVFFLUKE-289FLUKE-289/FVFFLUKE-28IIFLUKE-77-4FLUKE-83-5FLUKE-87-5 (V)FLUKE-87-5/E2KCurrent ClampsFLUKE-321FLUKE-322FLUKE-902Process ToolsFLUKE-787FLUKE-789AccessoriesTL-71Premium leadsTL-75standard leadsTP1TP2For more download the attachment.

author: sacherjj
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 04:21:43 pm
content: Wonder if there will be some decent prices on the used 87s out there?

author: BrickBoiler
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 04:59:31 pm
content: I Have a feeling that the "new" models will just be the same meters packaged with different test leads that meet the new CAT ratings.

author: qno
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 05:11:12 pm
content: I think they realized they can not compete with Gossen and Agilent with a 6000 or 19999 count meter.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 05:26:28 pm
content: Quote from: BrickBoiler on June 28, 2011, 04:59:31 pmPossibly you are correct, but I bet that they will update the 87V(5) & 83V(5) PCB too.They found an gold opportunity to do that, with out getting noticed from the many.But hey the document was created at 7 February, and become publicly known on April,how came the Tweeter and Facebook, did not spread such news ?Even me, I found it accidentally, by searching with the key words " Fluke accessories catalog 2011" !!

author: Neilm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 06:40:20 pm
content: Quote from: BrickBoiler on June 28, 2011, 04:59:31 pmIt is the whole of IEC61010 that has changed with the release of Ed 3. This affects not only test leads and clamps but also the general requirements. There is even a new section for mains measurement equipment and multfunction equipment.Neil

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 08:22:15 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on June 28, 2011, 03:23:05 pmWell, Dave claims they did. Please seehttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3751.msg50449#msg50449First the 600Ohm range story, now this...seems the whole Agilent product review has made your memory a bit...selective Kyriako. Keep an eye on it.So whats going on with the board revision? Scrapped or put into the new meters?

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 09:44:26 pm
content: Quote from: Alex on June 28, 2011, 08:22:15 pmYes, before a week ? ( I was aware of that)What about the two months silent cooking that they did ?I am aware that I sound as nasty, but all that I am doing here is to say the truth.If some one dislikes the truth its his own problem.Quote from: Alex on June 28, 2011, 08:22:15 pmAlex the new truth is that now I have and another comparison point, so to play with, in my favorite game,that is comparisons of measurements.The positive message is that only some trues will come in to light from all this.I will learn few more things, and some brand loyal ones they will play with my Carma indicator,an payment of revenge.And I will say that I determined to get down in to the bottom of this specific well.Quote from: Alex on June 28, 2011, 08:22:15 pmI have no idea ... probably Dave will find out when Fluke will send to him,the new 87V /EUR for review.I bet that every one are dieing to find out if the GSM issue become a bad dream.An story of the past !!

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 10:44:16 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on June 28, 2011, 09:44:26 pmA somewhat biased truth and yes given the fact that Fluke supplied you with an upgraded and more expensive replacement plus additional items a very selective presentation of events.Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on June 28, 2011, 09:44:26 pmSelective disclosure is hardly truth! Something advertising driven news media thrives upon.Quote from: Alex on June 28, 2011, 08:22:15 pmQuote from: Kiriakos-GR on June 28, 2011, 09:44:26 pmWhat in blue blazes has Karma got to do with what Alex just said? Play favorite games if you wish, but biased assessment wont win much respect. How is it that a dodgy tilt stand on an Agilent is a opportunity and yet any similar annoyance on a Fluke product rates as mortal sin?Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on June 28, 2011, 09:44:26 pmYeah the sleepless night I've spent worrying about a Flukes GSM issues have kept me from rest for months. Kiri you are fortunate to have been treated well by two large and respected suppliers of test equipment, pluses for both companies. Unbalanced favour to the latest free lunch earns less respect than any fair analysis.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2011, 11:33:30 pm
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on June 28, 2011, 10:44:16 pmNo one can buy my silence, no mater the size of the gift.Yes I got good service from the Headquarters of the company,and this it was not expected.At list from what they write in their published marketing tactics, and printed documents.If they had follow their rules, the one in the paper, I should be left in the cold.By their positive actions I did become an Fluke customer, but I did not closed my door to the rest of the world because of that.And I will not stop finding those tiny details that it does make the difference up to some point.They should continue making excellent tools as they did at the past, its not my fault if they do mistakes too.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 02:36:59 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on June 28, 2011, 11:33:30 pmI don't think anyone here or any vendor for that matter has or is attempting to buy your silence. Everyone is entited to comment and any disagreement is not a personal slight or attack.I'm no fanboy of Fluke or any brand, but I do respect the reputation some of these companies have built. None of them are perfect but they all deserve judgement on an equal basis.We are all entitled to (often differing) opinions. Holding favour to a long proven brand does not constitute fanboy status. This forum offers an ideal basis for us schmuck users to channel some feedback back to manufacturers, we need to ensure our collective feedback is even handed and realistic if we hope to be taken seriously.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 08:18:29 am
content: Sounds like they are simply making some minor sweeping change across a large range of devices?Could they technically now void the "lifetime warranty"?I will have more news on the fixed 87V in the next week or two, and hopefully I'll be able to share with everyone...Dave.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 11:01:12 am
content: For the most part, the Fluke product announcement specifies many European models are replacing all others with the same product name. They arenoteven changing the model numbers, i.e., saying the Fluke 87V is now 87 VI, with the change.

author: John80
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 01:06:39 pm
content: I was looking for differences (at least at the specs papers) for the new Fluke 289. It is exactly the same as before... nothing new...probably only PCB revision, and a big marketing push!

author: cuban8
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 05:29:33 pm
content: Well, the marketing push can't be that big, as Kiriakos only came by this list by accident (and it was released back in February).To me it looks like some minor changes to the hardware, the specs or the documentation (or all of them), i.e. stuff that your average buyer will never notice anyway. It's still possible they're gonna sneak in a fix for the GSM issue on the 87V along with it!

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 10:11:37 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 29, 2011, 08:18:29 amDid lifetime ever mean anything else for Fluke products than X years after the product is discontinued? It doesn't void it, but I would expect the timer to start once they stop selling the old models.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 11:36:56 pm
content: The new testing leads like TL75-1 and TL71-1, they are all ready listed at Conrad in Germany.They uploading the new versions on the market as we speak.My own 28II its almost six months old..The last word from Fluke was about 7 years warranty.Well for everything it worth's, I would like to was aware of the what next ?And how this END OF LIFE effects me as a customer? About the warranty part.

author: Wim_L
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2011, 11:45:56 am
content: I just got a new Fluke 28II this week, and it appears to be in a transition stage. No obvious new features on the meter. The probes that come with it have only a short tip length exposed, but have removable caps that reveal more length. With those plastic caps off, the probes fit a 4mm banana plug socket. A few pages of manual supplement indicates required changes to the manual, replacing probe part numbers (TL75 to TL175, AC72 to AC172). Alligator clips were not included, as the updated versions were not ready, but it included an offer to register for a free set of AC172 clips, and a bonus test lead set (TL175).

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2011, 01:08:21 pm
content: Hello @Wim_LCongrats for your new 28II .About the new test leads that you talking about, they must be theTL175EThe classic TL175 its only 2mm (all the way).About the gift ... probably you get an true TL175, because by this way,you just get back and the 2mm version of test leads.And about AC172 crocks ... what they would be ? 2mm or 4mm ?I smell some confusion for the buyers !!According to Fluke : TL175E also available. Includesremovable4 mm lantern tips that thread onto the lead tip.Conforms to EN61010-031http://www.fluke.com/Fluke/usen/Accessories/Test-Leads-Probes-and-Clips/TL175.htm?PID=70420Post a picture of the test leads, if possible . ( 800x600)

author: Wim_L
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2011, 04:21:39 pm
content: OK. I'll try to post a picture, let's see if it works... One tip shrouded, the other open. And the 4mm diameter springy part does sit loosely on the tip, so I suppose it could be taken off. Not sure how often you could do it before causing damage though.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2011, 08:28:29 pm
content: Holly cowThose are the TL71 ( The premium silicone leads 2mm) with different tips .Did you try to to hook them in the back of the holster ?If they get in with extreme pressure, them I am right.If there is no problem, take a picture too of the half hostler middle to top.I need to see the test leads hooks on it. (with out the leads on it )

author: Wim_L
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2011, 09:05:43 pm
content: That's what they look like, TL71 with different tips, though I didn't find this exact probe type on the Fluke site. Excellent antislip surface and very flexible, as you'd expect for silicone insulation. They are not the probes which are shown on the box as being included, which look like the TL75. One thing that's odd is that I can't seem to find the model number printed on the probes. Just the Fluke brand name, CAT and amps ratings.Including an image of the top of the holster with one probe fitted in, other side left open. You're right, it's a very tight fit for this model of probe.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2011, 10:14:24 pm
content: Ok after all this you are ready to read this ....https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3939.0The stupid Greek discovered again that Fluke did a new hole in the water ...By offering the TL-71 with the 28II and who knows with what else, mostly about the holster issue.Even if the TL71 cost 2$ more than the TL75, they do not fit in the holster clip !!Some one should notify Fluke, or better why not Dave it self, to do a proper video blog Rant-style about it.@Wim_L The Fluke test leads they do not have the model on them.Here is my TL71 .

author: Wim_L
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2011, 11:50:03 pm
content: Oh, I think they already know... It would explain why they're offering to send the the TL175 for free once they become available. Could take a few weeks according to the website.I think what happened is they stopped production of the TL75 and didn't have the TL175 ready in sufficient numbers, so as a temporary deal they put in the slightly more expensive probe model that complies with the new rules, a shrouded variant of the TL71. Perfect for me, really, I will mostly use it at the bench so fitting the holster is no big deal for me, and after they send the extras I'll have two sets of leads.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2011, 01:26:09 am
content: The golden rule in life is to have as much test leads as possible.From the side of the consumer, you got a nice set of cables.But the point is the expectations, if some one uses to lock the probes on the holster,he will have a major problem.Enjoy your 28II ..

author: Wim_L
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2011, 05:28:31 pm
content: Well, the AC172 alligator clips and TL175 leads (the ones with twisting part to switch between CATII and CATIII/IV) have arrived by mail. Looking good. The test leads have the two-layer silicone insulation in different colours so you can easily see any damage. It's also clear why the alligator clips and leads came together. I don't think they could have fit onto the leads that came with the meter. They also took care to insulate the alligator clips, so there's only exposed metal on th teeth side of the clips, not on the outside.They also fit rather tightly in the holster, just like the set of leads that came with the meter, but I don't expect to use it much like that so for meit doesn't matter.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2011, 07:32:49 pm
content: Dave had made a video about the fixed 87V, he has the new leads too.Search for the EEVblog #185 .

author: Glocal
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2011, 11:48:16 am
content: Will that mean that Fluke 87V (old ones) not worth any more ?I just bought a new one a couple of days agoit was a bargain price.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2011, 01:04:00 pm
content: It's not like old equipment instantly stops working the moment something new gets released. It will work just as well as before. The only difference is that the resale value is likely to be a little lower, assuming the new version sells at the same price.The fact that it took years for the GSM issue to be discovered suggests to me that it's not a major issue, and it's easy to avoid once you're aware of it.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2011, 10:15:27 pm
content: Quote from: alm on August 14, 2011, 01:04:00 pmMy suggestion to Fluke will be to start using Greeks as QC testers

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2011, 10:38:48 pm
content: At least it gives QC personnel an excuse to play with their cell phones all day. They're just doing it to verify EMI immunity.They should hire teenagers for QC. They may even be cheaper than the current employees.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2011, 12:59:29 am
content: The last three months they seek for a senior support engineer.I fall short about the MBA thingy

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 19, 2011, 06:30:25 am
content: To All:--I love the Fluke Co. They still supply parts for instruments that are way out of warranty. I fixed a 77 that was at least 20 years old for my neighbor. The manual had very clear trouble shooting instructions. I ordered a new chip, and a set of new pink elastomeric conductors for the LCD. Fluke sent the parts to me in 30 days and charged me 30 dollars. It is now like new, it is dead on with my calibrated 87. Thumbs up for Fluke.Clear Ether