A few specific questions for SDS2000X HD owners (or possibly any SDS owners) - Page 1
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author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2024, 10:10:03 pm
content: Hey all,I currently have two scopes, an old Tek 2465A CT and a LeCroy LC574AL. I absolutely love both of them. The Tek because, you know, old school analog goodness, and the LeCroy because I'm constantly amazed at how capable it is despite pushing toward being 30 years old.The Tek covers my basic needs when I just need to look at a waveform and the LeCroy comes out when I need an FFT or more bandwidth (seldom). The thing is that I find myself avoiding the LeCroy more and more because it is just so loud that I need hearing protection to use it. Well that and all the lights in the neighborhood dim when I turn it on.So despite my love for these scopes I'm in the process of shopping for a modern scope that I can use for most tasks while keeping the other two for special needs. It is insanely daunting with all the current choices but at the moment the Siglent SDS2204X HD is the leading contender (I'd love that to be the 2354 but it kind of takes me outside my budget). Some specific questions I have thus far and not been able to find answers to are:For the logic analyzer functionality, is there any way to have custom decoders? The only analyzer I currently have is a USB based one, the DSLogic U3Pro which uses a version of sigrok for which I was able to write a custom decoder for a flavor of MFM. It's not a deal breaker but I wonder if this sort of thing is possible.Can the Bode plot functionality be used with Siglent function generators other than the SDG X series? I have an older SDG5000 unit and wonder whether it can be used (siglent seems to imply no). I know I can use the built-in generator in the scope but my SDG has a greater frequency range.For folks more familiar with Siglent itself and their business practices:There is a current promotion for a bundle that includes logic probe and some licenses for function gen and decoders and whatnot. The problem I'm having is that this scope does not seem to be in stock anywhere and the lead times extend past the end of this promotion. Would I be screwing myself if I did not make a purchase before then or does siglent run these promotions all the time?Finally, what's the likelihood that I'd be able to find discounted bandwidth upgrade? 350Mhz seems like the sweet spot for me but as mentioned it takes me over my budget a bit. I've seen various accounts of folks getting bandwidth upgrades everwhere from free to full price. Do they ever (often) run promotions on these?

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2024, 11:11:42 pm
content: I wouldn't worry too much about the bandwidth, that kind if thing can be "improved" later if you're crafty. The BW sale might happen eventually if you're not into other methods of improvement.That's a great choice of scope, and if you want it, I would certainly place the order before the promotion ends. Worst case scenario, you can cancel your order or return it within the return period if you're not happy.I don't know the answer regarding your older SDG model, but it might be possible via USB. The X models I believe generally also have ethernet. @tautech might know.Thanks,Josh

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2024, 11:40:54 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on May 23, 2024, 10:10:03 pmFrom the SDS2000X HD datasheet P12Bode PlotSupported signal sources:Built-in waveform generatorSAG1021I (Connection: USB),SDG series waveform generators(Connection: USB, LAN)Max frequency for FRA/Bode plot is 120 MHz and your SDG5000 is capable of 160 MHz max.QuoteThey come and go.Current promo which is a steal IMHO:SDS2XHD-BND must be purchased with a new scope.https://siglentna.com/news-article/permanent-analysis-bundle-on-your-new-oscilloscope/QuoteRare but occasionally offered with a new purchase.Nothing offered at present.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 12:12:01 am
content: Quote from: tautech on May 23, 2024, 11:40:54 pmAh! Thanks for that. Was looking on the product pages for other SDS scopes (notably the SDS1104X-E on the North America site) and saw:Bode Plot function (requires SIGLENT SDG X or SAG1021 function generator)Your answer is most welcome news.Any idea about the custom decoders?

author: rfindley
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 02:30:42 am
content: I was in a similar boat as you. I have a LeCroy 564A 4ch 1GHz scope, bought almost 20yrs ago from the liquidation of a failed startup company. It's fully loaded, in nearly perfect condition, but it's super heavy and super loud. Barely fits on my bench beside what I'm measuring, and I can't take it on the road. And the number of times I've smashed my fingers trying to get that thing on and off the shelf...I just got a Siglent SDS3034X HD (350MHz) as a line-item on a project, and I'll be using it for travel. If I could have afforded the 1GHz license, I would sell the LeCroy in a heartbeat.Anyway, I don't think the Siglent scopes have any built-in support for custom decoders, which would likely be competition for their own decoder options. But you mentioned Sigrok... The sigrok documentation lists support for the SDS2000X series. I'm sure you are more familiar with Sigrok than I am, so maybe that tells you something about likely support for the SDS2000X HD.When I get some free time, I plan to learn a bit more about Sigrok and see if it can support the SDS3000X HD.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 06:26:39 am
content: Quote from: rfindley on May 24, 2024, 02:30:42 amThanks for pointing out the device support, I was not aware of it. It's not polite to suggest that an open source project is dead but if sigrok isn't dead it isn't moving much. There hasn't been a release in like 3 years or so and the nightly builds don't work. At least not on macOS.The thing I mentioned above was a fork of sigrok that only works for the vendor's hardware and I think everything else is stripped out. I suppose I could look into getting sigrok working on macOS again but I think writing a protocol decoder is enough yak shaving for me for now. It seems like a decent fallback option for the SDS2KHD in the future, though.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 06:40:36 am
content: I'm not aware also of custom decoders.I tried to connect sigrok to the sds2000hd from my laptop using ethernet, but it did not work (it seems to work with a sds2000x PLUS but I can't test)this is only a connexion problem, and may be it's working using usb I did not test eitherbut you could in theory use sigrok and all of its decoders with the sds2000

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 07:30:27 am
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on May 23, 2024, 11:11:42 pmI would not bank on a discounted bandwidth upgrade being offered later, separate from the scope purchase. I don't think I have ever (and from any manufacturer) seen a deal on aftermarket options. Why would manufacturers offer that? Special deals and bundle offers are meant to entice potential customers to buy a new scope. Once a customer has done so, he is locked in to that model anyway, and if he wants a bandwidth upgrade, why not charge him full price?The free "improvements" are tricky on this scope, since the method has not been published. Unless you are an expert hacker and codebreaker, it's not so much a matter of being "crafty", but of convincing certain people who are in the know that you are worthy...

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 01:22:15 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on May 24, 2024, 07:30:27 amThey're not common, but I've seen them in the past.Quote from: ebastler on May 24, 2024, 07:30:27 amTranslation: ask politely. 😉

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 01:57:43 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on May 23, 2024, 10:10:03 pmI'd check with your local distributor on this one.I was quoted ~3 weeks lead time on a 2354, and I'd fully expect to get the bundle offer price if I were to place the order before the deal supposedly ends next month.I'm curious to know what might happen after that date, though. Comparing like-for-like in terms of bandwidth, the 3034XHD is £2939, vs £2504 for the 2354XHD, which means the bundle offer is really the only thing that makes the 2354 compelling. Without the bundled options with the cheaper scope, I think it would be a no-brainer to pay the little bit extra to get the 3000 series hardware.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 04:11:06 pm
content: I would expect you to receive the promotion bundle soon after the order (they are mainly licences papers) and receive the scope 3 weeks later.

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 06:21:07 pm
content: Wouldn't the licences need to be unique to the serial number of the scope, ie. not known until after the scope itself has been delivered?

author: gburdzin
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 06:32:07 pm
content: Quote from: AndyC_772 on May 24, 2024, 06:21:07 pmIf I remember correctly, the package you get contains printouts of "pseudo" license codes. You then need to go to a Siglent website and enter your scope serial number and the "pseudo" license code, and the website gives you the generated final license code that gets entered on the scope.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 07:12:10 pm
content: Quote from: gburdzin on May 24, 2024, 06:32:07 pmabsolutely.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 09:49:20 pm
content: Thanks for the input, guys. I think I've reached a decision and I'm going to pull the trigger on an SDS2354X HD with promo bundle before the promo period ends.As an aside, I actually came to this decision shortly after starting this topic but I was going to use a bank or wire transfer to pay for the purchase from either TEquipment or Saelig. Both of them state that they accept this form of payment but both require you to reach out to a sales rep to do so. I reached out to both via email using multiple addresses from different links on their sites. To date I have received zero responses. Yes, I know I could call them but I'd rather have a communication trail so I chose email. So what could have been a 3-click, 30 second transaction turned into a week of moving money around so that I can actually spend it. PSA: don't bother doing trying to contact these vendors' sales reps via email if you can avoid it.Unless folks know some reason why I should prefer one of Saelig or TEquiopment over the other, the current plan is to do a normal online transaction using the EEVBlog discount code at Saelig (they don't require talking to anyone to get the promo bundle), which brings the 2354 and bundle to within a few tens of dollars of my original budget. With the promo bundle it seemed like a no-brainer to stretch that little bit extra.Before I pull the trigger, though, does anyone familiar with Siglent have insight into the lead time on these units? I only ask because I have a short travel period within the window that I'm currently aware of for this. If anyone has any more accurate information it would be appreciated, so I can possibly avoid any self-induced delivery headache. With my luck it's a virtual guarantee that it will be delivered while I'm away. Maybe one way to move up the delivery would be to move up my trip. :-)Also, I managed to build a working sigrok/pulseview binary for macos, so I'll have a go at getting that working with the HD when it arrives.Thanks again

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 09:59:10 pm
content: Quoteif you succeed in connecting sigrok to a SDS2xxx HD then I would really like to know how you did it !

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 10:21:31 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on June 05, 2024, 09:49:20 pmNods, top choice.QuoteTBH, you should just call them to confirm availability and hold a unit for you.https://www.saelig.com/sds2000x-hd/sds2354x-hd.htm

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 10:26:22 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on June 05, 2024, 09:59:10 pmI'll be sure to report back. One thing I'll say up front, though, is that the copy I have built as of now is lacking LXI/VXI support and I think that may be true for both released and nightly builds from the project. You should be able to tell by looking in the about dialog and seeing if your copy links liblxi. I'm not certain (about a great many things sigrok related) but if you were trying to connect via lan that could explain your connection issues. I plan to try to get a build going with that support but one step at a time.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 11:08:28 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on June 05, 2024, 10:26:22 pmActually, I think I'm full of crap. Once I get my head around the communications in sigrok and get this working with the HD I'll report back here.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 06:30:41 am
content: you're right I don't have the liblxi announced in the about dialog ...

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 06:39:46 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on June 06, 2024, 06:30:41 amI’m struggling to find the reference that made me believe that it should link that in the first place. I’ll go wading through this while I’m waiting for the scope to arrive and perhaps by the time it does I’ll have a better idea of whether it should work with the HD or not. If not, hopefully not too much effort to make it work.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 09:28:08 am
content: the problem was that when I tried to connect to the scope IP address, it did not respond, and the scope would hang up. I had to force restart it.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 10:21:12 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on June 06, 2024, 09:28:08 amAfter browsing the source a bit I would not expect this to work with the HD or even the Plus without changes. Ignoring any potential connection issues, I don’t think that the driver will recognize it as a supported model. There’s a supported model struct with fields enumerating certain properties such as minimum timebase, number of analog channels, whether it supports digital channels and how many, etc.There’s no such entry for the HD (or the Plus) and even if it identified itself as an SDS2000X, that entry seems wrong for the HD. Hell, it even seems wrong for the model it is ostensibly for. It specifies no digital channel support for it at all.That’s just from a quick look, it’s possible I’m missing something. In any case it’s possible that adding support is a simple matter of populating a struct for it and adding it to an array. Of course it’s also possible that chicken bones and a voodoo doll would be required. I doubt it but …

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 11:46:49 am
content: the siglent sds2000x is supported by sigrok ...https://www.sigrok.org/wiki/Siglent_SDS2000X_series

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 12:31:20 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on June 06, 2024, 11:46:49 amYes but not 2000xPlus or 2000xHD.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 08:03:57 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on June 05, 2024, 10:21:31 pmThanks, I've given them a call. For anyone interested their quoted delivery time on these is end of July.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 08:07:33 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on June 06, 2024, 08:03:57 pmGet the promo bundle locked in did you ?

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 08:22:04 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 06, 2024, 12:31:20 pmI think sigrok it great if it happens to work for your specific hardware, but this is one of the issues I have with it. Obviously, it's open source so gift horse and all that. The way it is structured, though, leads to what is happening here. Trying to contain support for many models of device into a single file or module is a seemingly good idea but it breaks down over time as said models drift in functionality.There is a pull request that adds SDS2000X+ support that's been sitting in queue on the sigrok github for over 2 years now. The author probably just wanted to get it working for his use case and submitted it. The reviewers righly balked at some changes that could affect other models and suggested changes. The PR has been sitting ever since. I would not expect this to ever get merged. This is similar to what happened with a PR for DSLogic U3Pro support. That's been sitting for over 2 years as well.Another issue is that for the most part, people who volunteer to add device support very likely only have their model and nothing more. Testing for unintended consequences up or down the model line is virtually impossible. If and when I take delivery of an HD I will likely take a crack at adding support for it in sigrok, but I don't expect it to get merged.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 08:24:48 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on June 06, 2024, 08:07:33 pmIn theory.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 09:11:20 pm
content: QuoteI don't care if it's not merged as long as you publish a macos arm version that works with the 2000HD !

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 09:33:26 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on June 06, 2024, 09:11:20 pmPublish? Unlikely. Give you a copy if you ask? Sure. Assuming I get it working at all, that is. The PR for Plus support is not an insignificant number of changes. I'd probably start there, though.In fact, if you want to try to get this going now you could probably just add the HD to the supported series and supported models structs to that patch (maybe two lines of code), apply it to your own repo and build. My guess is that it might work but may or may not render other models broken. If you don't have those models then it would be of no consequence. There are other reasons why the PR has not been merged but at least it would be a start.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 06:52:32 am
content: I found a macos binary online (I don't remember where but it was not the official release that was too old)I did not try to build one from sources but I can try.then as you said, I have only my 2000hd to connect (and also some basic low cost clone logic analyzers that should always work with sigrok ?)

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 09:43:00 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on June 07, 2024, 06:52:32 amI have an arm binary that I built from recent sources. It does not contain HD support as mentioned above but at least it is up to date. I cannot guarantee that it will work for you but you're welcome to it if you want.I can, time permitting, try to apply the 2000+ patch with HD added to the supported devices array and build that. What I cannot do, though, is test it to make sure it works nor support it if it doesn't. At least until I get my hands on an HD.QuoteCorrect. Only SDS devices would be affected by this patch.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 03:08:23 am
content: Quote from: Spike on June 07, 2024, 09:43:00 pmSo I took a closer look at that patch and there seems to be fair amount this sprinkled in:Code:if (!strcmp(devc->model->series->name, "SDS2000X+")) {Which means I won’t even bother with this until I have a device to test with.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 06:55:03 am
content: I downloaded the latest nightly build of pulseview for mac, it is from march 2024.but it does not start there is a missing library. and it is an intel app also.I tried to build from the sources, but I have a lot of errors, each time I try to correct an error i get another one...I'm ok to try your arm binary, even if it does not connect to the 2000hd for now.

author: Spike
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timestamp: June 08, 2024, 06:31:54 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on June 08, 2024, 06:55:03 amPM sent

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 08:08:01 pm
content: for what it's worth, the siglent model for my scope seems to be "SDS2504X HD"Quoteif you add the 2000hd description in the struct above (from libsiglent source) it could be enough

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 08:48:31 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on June 08, 2024, 08:08:01 pmI don’t think so, based on the snippets of code I posted above which are sprinkled throughout the patch. The HD likely needs the support added for the Plus, and with some of that code guarded with those statements I doubt very much that the HD will work. The patch needs to be reworked a bit, I think.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 09:15:50 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on June 08, 2024, 08:48:31 pmCan you replace the Plus references with Plus OR HD?

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 09:34:39 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on June 08, 2024, 09:15:50 pmCertainly. And anyone is welcome to do that to accommodate their personal need. I have no way to test that at the moment and I'd prefer to rework the patch to make it more general and easier to maintain going forward. There's no chance the patch will be accepted as is and that is part of the reason why. Ultimately it would be nice to have it merged if for no other reason than not having to maintain it outside of sigrok.

author: fredo_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 02:20:39 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on June 08, 2024, 09:34:39 pmHi Spike, are you still working on this ?I've been trying to accommodate the original Pull Request to work with the SDS2000X-HD.I agree with you, the orignal PR is quite a mess and needs a lot of rework, I understand why it has not been accepted by the maintainers of Sigrok codebase.Maybe we can join efforts ? What Siglent model do you have ?Right now I have both analog and digital signal capture working with a given time-base. Next step is to have everything work fine when changing settings.Best,Frederic.

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 03:43:22 pm
content: Quote from: fredo_ on June 23, 2024, 02:20:39 pmjust 2 cents worth, but if you guys managed to become spark plugs that get Sigrok on a path to playing nicely/increasingly well with Siglent oscilloscopes, especially the HDs, it could be a significant win for Siglent users, Siglent, and maybe even Sigrok… which could be a win for more device manufacturers and more users

author: fredo_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 04:49:07 pm
content: Quote from: Electro Fan on June 23, 2024, 03:43:22 pmWell I don't see why we could not make Siglent HD scopes play nicely with Sigrok/PulseView. They have a very comprehensive SCPI command set and my first tests are pretty encouraging.But I struggled a lot at the start with strange behaviors of the original connector that as a 7 seconds "timeout" parameter set on the SCPI driver.This poorly named parameter is used to set the duration the driver waits after sending a command before reading the result from the scope.7 seconds is a lot of time to wait when you hit the run button to get the acquisition result !Anyway I changed it to 50ms (the value used on Rigol driver, which the Siglent one seems to be based on) and everything gets much more snappy !I had to change the buffer reading logic to have it work that way, that must be the reason why it was originally set to 7 seconds.Anyway if you guys can give me a testimony on how the original driver actually behaves, it would be greatly appreciated !Do you have to wait for 7 seconds before Pulsview window gets updated or is it something specific with the HD ?

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 06:11:47 pm
content: with pulseview on a salae clone, you don't wait for the window to get updated.

author: fredo_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 06:38:03 pm
content: Thanks for the feedback kripton2035, but my question was more directed towards Siglent users.I was not able to find any video or demonstration of PulseView connected to a Siglent scope.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2024, 06:53:30 pm
content: Quote from: fredo_ on June 23, 2024, 06:38:03 pmYou are correct. Sigrok is not being developed actively anymore..There are many devices that are not supported.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 05:19:55 pm
content: Quote from: fredo_ on June 23, 2024, 02:20:39 pmAs I’ve said above, until I get a device in hand there’s not much I can do and based on estimates I don’t expect to have one for at least a month. If anyone has code that can possibly get merged then absolutely go for it. I’ll do what I can to help but probably won’t be immediately.I have some additional comments about other posts in this thread but I’m on vacation at the moment and typing this on a phone is quite annoying. I’m back tomorrow.

author: TomKatt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 05:29:10 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 23, 2024, 06:53:30 pmAll that drama over DSlogic, and Sigrok fell into a pit... While DSview continues to get at least a few updates here and there...Sad. It's a great idea and still valuable if it could work with newer gear.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2024, 12:58:19 am
content: Quote from: Spike on June 25, 2024, 05:19:55 pmI'm back and caught up. A few comments belowQuoteThis would be great for sure, but I'm a bit of a pessimist and I don't know how much optimism I can muster for such a scenario. I don't think there's really any development to spark. It seems that there is very little activity.I'm far from an expert on the internals of sigrok, I'm just getting started poking around. From what I can see, though, it appears that for many device families the support for all devices in the family reside in a single "module". This means that whenever someone tries to add support for new devices they have to tiptoe around existing devices and there seem to be more than a couple of examples of patches sitting in limbo for years because of (legitimate) concerns about breakage of existing devices. In most cases the author of the patch has no way to test this because he doesn't own any of the other devices. I'm all for code reuse but it seems to me that this is increasingly causing a support burdenThe bigger problem, IMO, is that the way that device support is delivered is that it is committed to the libsigrok codebase and built into a monolithic library. So any time new hardware support is desired it must go through an increasingly slow merge process. This is not conducive to new hardware support and I think that adding devices will get harder and harder going forward. If there's even anyone to review patches.What I would prefer to have is some sort of dynamic loader in the hardware API code and some way to separately build loadable modules that conform to whatever the current API is. Even if the API is not moving or being actively maintained as appears to be the case now, at least folks would have a shot at building a working module for a new device without needing to merge it into sigrok.Of course all this is work and it does not appear that there is a critical mass of developers on the project to keep it going.

author: fredo_
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timestamp: June 27, 2024, 01:54:35 pm
content: Thanks for the feedback @Spike !I started anew topic to discuss adding recent Siglent and Rigol hardware support to Sigrok.You will find in there a Pulseview Windows 64 installer for a version with my attempt to add SDS2000X HD (and possibly SDS2000X Plus) hardware support.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2024, 05:29:48 pm
content: Quote from: fredo_ on June 27, 2024, 01:54:35 pmGot a patch? I don’t run Windows.

author: fredo_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2024, 06:02:20 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on June 27, 2024, 05:29:48 pmHere you go ! :https://github.com/fredzo/libsigrok/commit/f91fb2a2b3664de43b27eab46bc9cd42cc022492

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2024, 06:34:32 pm
content: Quote from: fredo_ on June 27, 2024, 06:02:20 pmAwesome, thanks. I’ll see you over in the other thread for the discussion about getting something merged. I’d like to take a crack at getting the hardware modules loadable at some point. Don’t know when I’ll have time but I’ll start looking at least.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 06:25:43 am
content: Quote from: Spike on June 06, 2024, 08:03:57 pmSaelig has just updated their website to indicate that these will be “available on or about 09/13/24.” This seems kind of crazy to me. These will have been unavailable for what, four months by that point? For what exactly? A dark case?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 07:08:18 am
content: Quote from: Spike on July 31, 2024, 06:25:43 amProduction lead times have been an issue for many of us.....add to that shipping times and we are now quoting a min of 8 weeks lead time before stock arrives......just 3 of which are the sea freight......the ports and custom clearances are another holdup.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 01:09:23 pm
content: I ordered an SDS2000X HD on Friday from Saelig, and it's arriving today. 🤷

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 01:44:41 pm
content: Josh, you will probably love this scope! I do!

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 02:01:00 pm
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on July 31, 2024, 01:44:41 pmThanks, I'm sure I will. I loved the Plus version, and this is better in general. I assume the only thing will be getting used to the lack of some of the physical buttons I liked having.But oh man, I'm excited for that metal handle! 🤩🤩🤩

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 04:33:07 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on July 31, 2024, 01:09:23 pmWell that is interesting since I ordered one in early June and haven’t heard from them since shortly after the order when they told me they’d be coming in at the end of July. Then when I checked their site yesterday I saw the info about September. Perhaps they burned through whatever limited stock they got? I guess I’ll reach out again.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 05:32:00 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on July 31, 2024, 04:33:07 pmPlease do let us know if you receive it. I am now being told that they did not receive stock, which does not seem to align with what you’ve apparently been told.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 06:08:03 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on July 31, 2024, 05:32:00 pmI did receive it, but I ordered the 100MHz model when it conveniently appeared. It's probably old stock. I'll investigate more to make sure it's actually new, but so far, so good.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 06:11:26 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on July 31, 2024, 06:08:03 pmAh, okay. That makes more sense. Since that’s been discontinued I’d have to imagine that it’s stock they had on hand. Thanks for that.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 06:27:01 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on July 31, 2024, 06:11:26 pmBut that does bring me back to my original comment. A months long break in the supply for a change of no value seems absurd. I’d rather have a white one anyway and if I had found old stock I would have bought it.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 06:30:44 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on July 31, 2024, 06:27:01 pmThey don't control the supply chain.If you monitor this page:https://www.saelig.com/category/sds2000x-hd.htm...and you see the 100MHz model show up (which will be a link to this page:https://www.saelig.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SOS&Product_Code=sds2104x-hd)Then buy it quick. That's what I did. I got really lucky with the timing.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 06:33:03 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on July 31, 2024, 06:30:44 pmI’m not blaming Saelig, I’m commenting on Siglent’s execution of this change. I guess my purchase timing was exceptionally crappy. I ordered a 350MHz model so I have less hope of finding one, I think.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2024, 06:37:35 pm
content: Quote from: Spike on July 31, 2024, 06:33:03 pmYou definitely won't find a 350 pop up. That'll get shipped to you before a random one pops up on their website.It's certainly rough timing on Siglent's part. They did some major new product launches, and painted the existing 2k HD scopes...and were exceptionally popular with all of it. I wonder if they underestimated the demand for all of it or whatever happened if that wasn't it.

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2024, 11:39:31 pm
content: I just got an email from Saelig saying that my 2354X HD has shipped. Their website still says 9/13 availability but UPS has my package. So for anyone that's waiting it seems like they are available once again.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2024, 11:44:25 pm
content: They must be playing catch up with their orders.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2024, 07:20:02 am
content: Quote from: Spike on August 23, 2024, 11:39:31 pmhappy discovery of your soon new toy !

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2024, 01:17:52 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on August 24, 2024, 07:20:02 amFinally! It’s here!Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 23, 2024, 11:44:25 pmYou were spot on. Shortly after I posted above they changed their site to reflect that they’d burned through their stock. Next availability, middle to end of October.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2024, 01:35:34 am
content: Quote from: Spike on August 31, 2024, 01:17:52 amAll that matters is that you finally got yours. 😉 Enjoy, it's quite the tool!ETA: I'm curious, which probes did they send? SP5050?

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2024, 02:15:03 am
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 31, 2024, 01:35:34 amSP5050A

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2024, 02:22:35 am
content: Quote from: Spike on August 31, 2024, 02:15:03 amThat's what mine came with too. I dunno if there are any other differences compared to the SP3050A, but these are only rated for 300V. Which is fine since all my ProbeMaster probes are rated for 600V, but it means I won't use the Siglent probes unless I'm trying to do some higher frequency stuff with a passive probe for some reason.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2024, 03:58:57 am
content: Quote from: Spike on August 31, 2024, 01:17:52 amNice DSO, enjoy !Check firmware version installed as there are a few improvements from the most recent release a few weeks back:https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS2000X_HD_V1.2.2.9_EN.zip

author: Spike
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2024, 04:23:47 am
content: Quote from: tautech on August 31, 2024, 03:58:57 amThis is the first thing I did. It has 1.2.2.9.