Bruce Schneier:US government has betrayed the internet. We need to take it back. - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2013, 03:35:58 pm
content: Interesting article.http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spyingAlexander.

author: dfmischler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2013, 04:13:06 pm
content: And here is the commentary site:Schneier on Security

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2013, 07:41:11 pm
content: Hmmmmm I can't get at all excited by such stories. If you are not a wrong doer you have nothing to fear. Those who wish to avoid the intelligence services data harvesting techniques need to ask them selves why its an issue for them.Believe it or not the security services in most civilised countries are not the monsters that some people would have you believe.Scenario........ a terrorist cell is planning an IED attack on a busy shopping centre where hundreds will die as the result of blast and shrapnel. The cell is monitored and then arrested before they can plant the IED. The Intelligence Services had intercepted the encrypted email traffic of the cell and their efforts to find IED building information on the internet. Now can you honestly tell me that you would prefer that the intelligence agency not have this capability and condemn hundreds to die because 'you' think so called privacy from the eyes of the intelligence services is essential.And before anyone starts saying the civilised worlds intelligence agencies are an evil force that should be fought...ask yourself whether you actually know anyone in such an organisation, or have had first hand experience of the 'evil' they are supposed to do. If not, you are just another sheep following a flock of misguided and ill informed persons.The Western intelligence agencies are focused on terrorism and drugs. If you are not doing either, you are of no interest at all to the services so get on with your life.And for those who think the internet should be as it started, a pure, innocent and wonderful communications medium...... remember it was born out of good intentions but was only a success because of the efforts of the pornography industry ! Pure and innocent it is not, and has never been.Let the fun begin

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2013, 07:47:51 pm
content: Terrorism is just a Trojan horse.Just have a look at the new war Obama wants to start.Alexander.

author: casper.bang
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2013, 07:50:21 pm
content: Aurora, you are scaring the shit out of me. Are you aware of the ramifications this is having? Thebulling of a journalist's partner by the British? Liberty rights,secure emailandlegal analysissites shutting down?Is that the draconian society you want to live in? Do you also think we should all be subject to strip searches when we leave our house, since only those with something to hide should mind?This is dangerous territory; ironically the terrorists of 9/11 accomplished much more than the unfortunate 3000+ deaths, by making the western governments much more totalitarian and limiting our rights.

author: dfmischler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2013, 07:52:28 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on September 07, 2013, 07:47:51 pmI have a better idea. Let's do that somewhere else and keep this site relatively apolitical and full of electronics and related stuff. Hmmm?

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2013, 07:56:20 pm
content: s/keep/make ?

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2013, 07:57:42 pm
content: I agree....politics can get heated very quickly. I have seen several such discussions on this forum accusing the US agencies of all sorts. It achieves nothing except raising temperaturesI really should have known better than to comment on this thread, I usually ignore such as trolling topics, but this time the little devil came out in me, I just couldn't resistI will not continue with this thread. Let it die in peace

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2013, 12:33:35 am
content: Quote from: Aurora on September 07, 2013, 07:41:11 pmExcept the definition of 'wrong' is a shifting goal post. And 'wrong' often implies you being an inconvenient thorn in their arse, even though you might be benign in reality. Additionally, with data harvesting well on the way, you could be technically in the 'right' today, but you might be in the 'wrong' tomorrow, depending on which direction the political wind picks up. Yay for crypto-fascism.