EAGLE V7 - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2014, 04:51:46 pm
content: Hi all.I just received an email from Eurocircuits. And yes, EAGLE V7 will be released in July!More Info:http://www.eurocircuits.com/index.php/eurocircuits-printed-circuits-blog/eagle-v70

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2014, 05:00:05 pm
content: "Also, you will be required to indicate your HostID as described in the V7 License Agreement."Doesn't sound good.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2014, 05:09:04 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on May 27, 2014, 05:00:05 pmWhy?

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2014, 05:40:10 pm
content: Quote from: Carrington on May 27, 2014, 05:09:04 pmBecause I don't want to depend on the vendor if I move it between computers. Currently I have a fixed serial number and I just paste it in with zero dependency on the vendor.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2014, 05:55:13 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on May 27, 2014, 05:40:10 pmUsually is a MAC address, easy to modify.But you may have problems with other software.

author: marshallh
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 27, 2014, 06:23:48 pm
content: What are the new features? Is it less crappy?

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2014, 06:46:17 pm
content: Quote from: marshallh on May 27, 2014, 06:23:48 pmQuote

author: centon1
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2014, 10:12:34 pm
content: Quote from: marshallh on May 27, 2014, 06:23:48 pmThat may be true, but back in the day, NASA spent a million dollars designing a pen that could write in Space...The Russians used a pencil.

author: msr
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 29, 2014, 10:22:15 pm
content: Hierarchical schematic design? FINALLY! But hierarchical layout would be much more usefulIs it also included? Let's see.

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 29, 2014, 10:58:44 pm
content: Quote from: centon1 on May 29, 2014, 10:12:34 pmNot sure if you're joking or not... if you're not, this is just a myth, never happened.There was a pen, it did cost millions to research, but it was a private company that did it without nasa money and then basically gave them the pens for nothing.The russians didn't use pencils because pencils contain graphite in the tip which can float inside the shuttles and go into equipment and cause short circuits, fires etc etc

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 29, 2014, 11:54:16 pm
content: Quote from: mariush on May 29, 2014, 10:58:44 pmYou just ruined a good story ;-)BTW, I heard that the ball pen was also designed for aviation because fountain pens leaked in high altitudes.

author: AlfBaz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2014, 03:10:15 am
content: Quote from: centon1 on May 29, 2014, 10:12:34 pmIts all a moot point as most arduino users use crayons

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2014, 03:37:29 am
content: Quote from: AlfBaz on May 30, 2014, 03:10:15 amThe hate that keeps giving...

author: AlfBaz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2014, 04:18:23 am
content: Quote from: zapta on May 30, 2014, 03:37:29 amHate is such a soft word

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2014, 11:27:08 am
content: If it is only those three changes I am not very interested of upgrading since I never use the auto-router.That is unless the upgradeprice is really low (that way I am already prepared for v8 which might have more interesting upgrades).And I agree on the computerlocking, it is a pain in the ass. I have a compiler that has that, changed my hdd to ssd bang had to call the company to change the license again.Then I normally change (upgrade) my computers/laptops each 3years, where did I have that license key etc. etc..

author: Fred27
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2014, 03:04:37 pm
content: I've been using Eagle 6.5 on a Surface Pro recently. Using a pen for the layout is quite nice in some ways.I hope they've thought about Windows 8 and touch screens when working on 7.0. The lack of consideration of high DPI screens (e.g. the tiny buttons that can't be changed) is the biggest problem I found on the Surface.

author: abaxas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2014, 09:11:44 pm
content: Quote from: AlfBaz on May 30, 2014, 03:10:15 amOnly issue is that by the time you realize, they'll be your boss.

author: metta
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2014, 09:21:17 pm
content: Quote from: Fred27 on May 30, 2014, 03:04:37 pmI'm surprised this isn't more common for PCB design in general.

author: Fred27
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2014, 09:23:06 pm
content: I asked on element 14. Apparently the public beta will be available soon, but there's no improvements for touchscreens.

author: senso
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2014, 06:02:04 am
content: Quote from: Fred27 on May 30, 2014, 03:04:37 pmSwitch to linux, the buttons are so gigantic when using Eagle on linux that 6 of them dont even appear and you must click a down arrow to see them(rats-nets being the most used and the most annoying thing to go there and clicky clicky)

author: LukeW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2014, 08:54:16 am
content: Hierarchical schematic layout is good. Obviously things like Altium have had that for a long time, but it will be good to have that capability in cheaper or free (if you accept the free licensing restrictions for your use) software. I don't know if other cheaper or free options such as Diptrace or kicad have hierarchical schematics.And we've improved the autorouter? Wow, woo hoo. Is it still an autorouter? Well therefore it's still shit. People who know what they're doing still aren't going to use an autorouter even if it uses both cores oooh shiny.

author: liquibyte
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2014, 02:07:40 pm
content: Quote from: senso on June 02, 2014, 06:02:04 amI don't have this problem. Adjust your screen resolution or get a better graphics driver but don't blame linux for your issues.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2014, 02:24:58 pm
content: Quote from: LukeW on June 02, 2014, 08:54:16 amUhm.. tell that to all the people designing high end gear using autorouters.

author: hli
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2014, 08:11:37 pm
content: Quote from: mariush on May 29, 2014, 10:58:44 pmBoth used pencils:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_pen#Uses_in_the_U.S._and_Russian_space_programs

author: jc101
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 05:02:22 pm
content: Launched my copy of Eagle and it come up "Your version of EAGLE is not up-to-date. The new version 7.0.0 is available." - however CadSoft website front page mentions v7 Beta.Has it actually been released yet?

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 05:05:02 pm
content: Quote from: jc101 on July 14, 2014, 05:02:22 pmhttp://www.cadsoftusa.com/download-eagle/?language=en

author: jc101
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 05:11:23 pm
content: Quote from: Monkeh on July 14, 2014, 05:05:02 pmWell, might give it a try, always up for a challenge

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 09:06:05 pm
content: Does this mean it is a free upgrade?

author: jc101
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 09:09:22 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on July 14, 2014, 09:06:05 pmOnly if you bought it on or after 15th April this year...http://www.cadsoftusa.com/conditions-freeupgrade/...which I have done. Sadly, it seems there is no way to generate a licence as the web shops for CadSoft fall over with a variety of errors. At least the install hasn't killed the previous version.

author: Prime73
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 09:18:15 pm
content: Did they improved component search in libraries, and component management in general? this is the only thing I find annoying in Eagle. ( I use pro version)

author: MagicSmoker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2014, 12:37:06 pm
content: I've been using EAGLE for about 6 years now (not by choice, originally) and the change to onerous 1990's era node-locked licensing in v7 annoys me to no end. And the fact that you have to more or less go through the entire upgrade process just to find out the price is the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Looks like I will be sticking with 6.5.0 for quite awhile, and then looking at jumping ship... I can't say I will miss EAGLE, but I did get quite good at using it over the years and don't really relish the thought of having to go through yet another steep learning curve for a new EDA program.

author: Prime73
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2014, 01:21:28 pm
content: Quote from: MagicSmoker on July 17, 2014, 12:37:06 pmMy thoughts exactly. Why they make it more difficult for consumer is beyond me

author: WarSim
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2014, 01:56:30 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on May 29, 2014, 11:54:16 pmYes fountain pens do leak with pleasure change. But the ball point pen was invented because of the more common fountain pens leak due to vibration and shock.The invention came about because of all the black suit pockets not because not because aviation wanted to stop using pencils and carbon paper.After all a ruined suit is more important to more people than writing in an aircraft.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2014, 09:27:30 am
content: Any (upgrade) prices published anywhere yet?

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2014, 12:14:12 pm
content: https://shop.cadsoft.de//upgrade/?language=enWill give you the upgrade prices

author: IanJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2014, 09:38:43 am
content: So, 460EU for me to upgrade means I'll give it a miss. I don't think there's enough in terms of differences over 6.6.0.Ian.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2014, 10:40:17 am
content: Ouch!I think it said somewhere if you bought a new license after a certain date (August last yr?) you can upgrade for free to 7, I guess the license upgrade / subscription lasts for a year?All we have is new icons, hierarchy and some autorouter fixes or upgrades, oh, and the flexlm license system which turns out is a bigger ball ache than the previous incarnation (and just as insecure).

author: MagicSmoker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2014, 12:35:51 pm
content: Quote from: IanJ on July 27, 2014, 09:38:43 amThanks for revealing your upgrade price. Is that for the full professional version with autorouter, schematic entry and pcb layout?And yeah, there aren't really any new features going from 6.5.0 or 6.6.0 to 7.0 so this is tantamount to paying to get saddled with node-locked licensing... No thanks.

author: IanJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 29, 2014, 02:48:58 pm
content: Quote from: MagicSmoker on July 29, 2014, 12:35:51 pmYes the PRO version with AR, SCH & PCB. I had upgraded to the PRO version from Hobbyist Dec.13 when I decided to start selling boards.Ian.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2014, 04:32:33 pm
content: You could contact Farnell and ask them, they might cut you a deal?Have you used the freeware version to see if you want to upgrade?I don't think they have done any bug fixes with V7, or no significant ones in any case.

author: Omicron
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2014, 09:00:07 am
content: I just received an email from CADSoft in which they say:"...we have decided to withdraw the new License Management system with immediate effect.As of the 11th of August, 2014, all new EAGLe licenses will be delivered without a License Management tool. All current Eagle v7.0 licenses will when upgraded to v7.1 move back to the previous license model."Seems someone at CADSoft was listening!

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2014, 09:07:13 am
content: Or they have had so many complaints of licensing issues that they got swamped with extra work.Edit: yep seems they had so many customer feedback that they took it out:http://www.cadsoftusa.com/2014/08/anderung-am-eagle-v7-lizenzmanagement/

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2014, 10:48:31 am
content: That must cost them a few pennies, I doubt the FlexLM license system was cheap to incorporate.Funny that they listen to people on that, yet the only thing (arguable) missing from Eagle is built in 3D viewing of the board (yes there are 3rd party tools, but it is very clunky!), they could also do with improving their RF toolbox and BGA capabilities also, I have emailed them several times but got no response on these matters.

author: MagicSmoker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2014, 05:37:28 pm
content: Quote from: Omicron on August 05, 2014, 09:00:07 amI will likely go ahead and upgrade, then, even though none of the other improvements (particularly to the autorouter) are terribly valuable to me. Well, the hierarchal schematic stuff might prove to be useful (but probably not - most of the things I design are "de novo").

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2014, 09:16:00 pm
content: Quote from: Prime73 on July 17, 2014, 01:21:28 pmMy thoughts exactly. Will sample Kicad every year or so and will jump ship when it will be good enough. Until then Eagle 6.5 is good enough for me and has wide support by vendors.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2014, 10:12:12 pm
content: For €50 i probably upgrade my hobbieist license next month when the new version is there. Maybe not worth the new features ( wont need them) but affordable and i like to have new versions and who knows what they,ll build next.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 10:42:38 am
content: According to the web blurb 7.1 is out Monday (11th).I will never know why they went for the new licensing, I downloaded the 6.9 beta to run as freeware and it just point blank refused to install the freeware license.Version 7.0 did actually manage to install the freeware license, but now they are moving it back, it just seems like a lot of faff for not a lot of benefit.They should concentrate on new features, I can't really see any feature benefit from V6.0 to V7.0 apart from the hierarchy. They are effectively charging people for bug fixes, even Microsoft doesn't do this, they release service packs for free.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 12:21:53 pm
content: Not true. Microsoft aborts their OS and IE product completely after some years and you have to buy the new product which now has a hopeless userinterface and after a few days you wish you had a different choice.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 02:58:55 pm
content: Quote from: Wilksey on August 08, 2014, 10:42:38 amA push and shove manual router comes to mind.

author: jaxbird
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 03:30:47 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on August 08, 2014, 12:21:53 pmSeriously? the standard for Microsoft free updates support cycle is 10 years. Windows XP was extended and was in full support for more than 12 years. After that only critical updates will be released.Windows 7 should be good until 2019!

author: WarSim
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 03:43:21 pm
content: Quote from: jaxbird on August 08, 2014, 03:30:47 pmThe only reason the support cycles are so large is because many of their fortune 5000+ customers refused to migrate. Their bread and butter said keep supporting what we want or we choose a different system.XP support was stopped over three times. The three stricken your out cause 2 that I know of to switch. BTW it is unlikely that Microsoft learned anything from the venture. Their expressed 3 year promo, 2 year migration cycle is likely still there behind the scenes.If you are part of a Fortune 5000+ company just ask your it department why XP has been around so long.

author: jaxbird
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 03:54:37 pm
content: Quote from: WarSim on August 08, 2014, 03:43:21 pmMy point was that MS support cycles are exceptionally long, seriously 10 years is a long time for a piece of software. And we are talking versions, it's not like the completely drop the product, likely by the time a support cycle ends there are at least 2 newer and more or less compatible versions available. And you can still continue to use the old version, you will just no longer receive frequent free updates.If you have a full Technet subscription you can still get all the software they have released back to around Windows 3.1Anyway sorry for derailing the Eagle V7 thread .

author: WarSim
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 04:16:25 pm
content: Quote from: jaxbird on August 08, 2014, 03:54:37 pmLearn your history a little better, if you want to get out of your little bubble of reality. If not just ignore everything I shared.

author: jaxbird
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 04:38:36 pm
content: Quote from: WarSim on August 08, 2014, 04:16:25 pmSorry, I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to, can you clarify?I have been a senior lead SDE at MS for many years and also during the whole Vista, extension of XP support, Win7 release, perhaps you have some knowledge I'm not aware of?

author: WarSim
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 04:56:39 pm
content: I have been a systems analyst since 1984. I have retired but still have many friends very high up in IT departments ,Government and Fortune 5000+. This is where I get my information.

author: jaxbird
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 05:13:08 pm
content: Quote from: WarSim on August 08, 2014, 04:56:39 pmPerhaps we should just be adults, as we clearly both are, leave it here, and let people discuss the Eagle V7 update features, policies and pricing

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2014, 05:20:31 pm
content: Wow,My point was there is no Windows 6.0.0.1.2.0.2.2 etc, there is Windows 6.0 / 6.1 SP1, SP2, SP3 etc and so on.Anyway, getting back on track...I can't see the reason for 6.0 -> 7.0, the added "features" i.e. improved AR, hierarchy etc should have been 6.1 in my opinion.6.0 should have stayed as 6.0 for minor tweaks and bug fixes with a revision or SP or something, they could have jumped major versions for something a bit more applausable like push n shove, 3D integration, new IDE etc etc, and kept minor for adding things like hierarchy etc.

author: bronson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2014, 05:07:02 pm
content: US pro edition upgrade price:Serial number ... V6.0License period: UnlimitedNet price: USD 549.00Has anyone upgraded? How's the new UI? Have they made grouping less tedious? Can I have multiple files open at once?If you still need a mess of ULPs to paper over all the obvious missing schematic and layout features, and part selection is still 1/4 regexes and 3/4 luck, then I'm definitely going to stick with 6.5...

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2014, 08:17:54 pm
content: Best thing to do is download the freeware version and try it, then you will know if you want to upgrade or not?They may give you a time limited key perhaps to try a full professional license for a few days if you already have a key for 6.5 pro already, who knows.To me it just looks fancier with the icons, I don't think they have done much else, I think they have added a few new ULP's not sure what for though.

author: bronson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2014, 11:27:14 pm
content: Except that stands a decent chance of Fing up my local install. It's happened before. I don't want to risk the downtime.I think I'll wait until I see a feature that looks like it's worth the upgrade price. If anybody is on V7 and knows what's hugely better about it, especially UI-related, please do share.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 12:25:33 pm
content: Eagle 6.x installed to program files\eagle 6.x\Eagle 7.x installs to c:\eagle 7.x\I have 6.4, 6.5, 6.6, 7 and 7.1 installed on my system as long as you change your home directory and not overwrite defaults when first run, your files and settings will stay the same.In answer to your question though, UI wise, different icons...pretty much it.Hierarchy addition, if you've done without it so far...Autorouter upgrade to use more than one core, if you autoroute large boards then it might be worth it, otherwise, probably not.So summarise, if you don't care for icons, hierarchy support or the autorouter, then no, it's not worth the upgrade.HTH!

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 12:38:43 pm
content: .

author: bronson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2014, 02:14:31 am
content: Right on Wilksey, thanks! Guess I'll wait.

author: XFDDesign
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2014, 06:06:01 pm
content: I actually just got the 7.1 upgrade from work. They announced that they're keeping to the old license model due to too much negative feedback.I don't "do" the autorouter thing, never have, so I cannot comment on it.What questions do you guys have about version 7?

author: BloodyCactus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2014, 01:26:13 am
content: the new icons threw me for a loop. I feel like i have to relearn them all over again I got so used to the older icons.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2014, 01:51:10 am
content: Quote from: BloodyCactus on August 16, 2014, 01:26:13 amHaven't seen the new ones yet but the old ones look dated that were created by a software engineer. I would love to see more modern and aesthetic icons. This is subjective of course.

author: BloodyCactus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2014, 02:32:58 am
content: attached screenies from 7.1download for full size resolution

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2014, 02:44:35 am
content: Are these the new icons? Don't look much better than the old ones. I was hopping to something like...

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2014, 09:11:00 am
content: You can adjust the icons to look like the old style if you want, see the cadsoft youtube videos about Eagle v7.

author: BloodyCactus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2014, 05:39:07 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on August 16, 2014, 09:11:00 amsweet! turned on the option.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2014, 09:37:55 pm
content: I still type in the command! I can do things so much quicker.

author: f1rmb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2014, 06:16:20 am
content: Quote from: Wilksey on August 16, 2014, 09:37:55 pmDitto, old habit from DOS time ;-)Cheers.

author: pstemari
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2014, 04:34:25 pm
content: Or hit the F-keys. Wish I could find a decent keyboard with the F-keys on the left. Makes it easy to put one hand on the keys, one on the mouse, and stop hopping back & forth between the buttons and the drawing.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2014, 04:36:32 pm
content: Quote from: pstemari on October 14, 2014, 04:34:25 pmPerhaps the mechanical gamers keyboards like the logitech g710 , they have makro keys and good software you can use. Besides a nice touch like the good ,ol days.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2014, 05:07:38 pm
content: You could always design an "Eagle" keyboard?

author: pstemari
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2014, 03:41:37 am
content: G710 still has the F-keys on the top.I finally sprung for the full version of Eagle, may wind up designing my own keyboard w Cherry blues. I have Filcaos for hone and office, but those are still F-keys on the top.I do have an old Omnikey with the mechanical ALPS switches and F-keys in both locations, but a few keys became a bit sticky over the years and I was never able to get them to work quite right.