Info on New 'Scopes - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: Lee@Tek
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 06:35:13 pm
content: Hi Everyone,Where do you typically go for information on new 'scopes ?Really keen on understanding what medium is most preferred,Thanks in advanceLee

author: W2DML
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 06:38:07 pm
content: Usually Distributors and the manufacturers website for pricing, options, data. EEVblog forums and youtube for reviews, questions/answers, bugs, etc.

author: Eric_S
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 09:01:04 pm
content: Quote from: W2DML on March 19, 2018, 06:38:07 pmMore or less, and a hands on demo and a sales QnA for pricey stuff, when it goes a bit further on.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 08:25:45 am
content: Manufacturers website first, download all the guff and study it. Then check price for bang for buck.Online vids next followed by forums to find any possible hidden quirks.

author: nidlaX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 08:37:19 am
content: "EEVBlog", "mikeselectricstuff", and "The Signal Path".

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 12:18:36 pm
content: Quote from: Lee@Tek on March 19, 2018, 06:35:13 pmIt depends 100% on the price.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 10:23:15 pm
content: Quote from: Lee@Tek on March 19, 2018, 06:35:13 pmThat question is kinda vague and needs a long answer. I usually read about new scopes on this forum. If the oscilloscope is somewhat interesting the next thing I do is go to the manufacturer's website and look in the datasheet to see what is what. I skip most of the marketing material because it usually is meaningless drivel. Then I try to find some articles or opinions from people with hands-on experience. I don't like videos because they have a very low information transfer rate and are hard to skip through to find specific information.

author: abraxa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 11:12:43 pm
content: Quote from: nidlaX on March 20, 2018, 08:37:19 amJudging by the name of the thread starter, I guess that means those three are more now likely to receive loaners, lol.

author: BBBbbb
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 11:18:54 pm
content: I was googling reviews on some equipment few years ago, and just kept ending up on eevblog forum. That's how I decided to stick around.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 11:41:17 pm
content: Quote from: abraxa on March 20, 2018, 11:12:43 pmThe revenue from Youtube is not worth the time taken to review something that's only supplied on loan.

author: setu
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 26, 2018, 03:42:27 am
content: http://oscopes.info/

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2018, 07:01:38 am
content: Quote from: setu on March 26, 2018, 03:42:27 am"Since 2014..." - had anyone else heard of this site..? Don't recall it ever being mentioned on here.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2018, 07:34:33 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on March 26, 2018, 07:01:38 amYep, it popped up here a good couple years back and IIRC there was a consensus at the time that it wasn't of much value and this is the first time I've seen it mentioned here since.

author: Dubbie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 26, 2018, 07:41:02 am
content: I get info here.Like others have said, I almost completely ignore marketing material. It always seems to emphasise the stuff you are least interested in.Watching a review by Shahriar, Dave or Mike is probably one of the best ways to see a new model and have someone who knows what they are doing point out anything that they have done different to usual. (in either a better or worse way). All scopes cut corners in some way necessarily. It's good to see if the right corners have been cut by the right amount to suit your particular use case.Some vendors such as R&S, Siglent and Keysight have representative members here who contribute in useful and thoughtful ways other than just dropping links to a promo website and vanishing.This sort of interaction is welcomed.Hurling the equivalent of a bundle of flyers through a window as you speed past... not so much.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 26, 2018, 09:14:53 pm
content: Quote from: Dubbie on March 26, 2018, 07:41:02 amAgreed! Product reviews and teardowns by this trio have been pretty important in the decision making on my last few years of T&M purchases.QuoteYes! This particular detail made my the final decision on my last purchase so much easier. R&S in case anyone is interested.

author: Proto
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2018, 07:24:22 am
content: Not wanting to look like I was bought but aside from Tek, I don't look for much innovation. When Tek hyped the 5-Series announcement, I stayed up the night of the unveiling to get first info from the New Zealand event.My sources for announcements are Vendor and Disti promotional emails, Electronic Products and other EMag websites. For datasheets on scopes to 4/6 GHz, one of my favorite go-to's is TestEquity. Their web layout is efficient and nearly excellent when you get to product pages for pricing, datasheets and options. I go to vendor sites to fill in the blanks. One of the things I distinctly "don't like" is what Tek does too often by trading information for a prospects vital details to allow sales follow-up. You've even followed my browsing of your site which I discovered through followup calls from sales.By the way, there was a topic from a user who had narrowed his selection of a scope to 3 suppliers on this forum. I was surprised at the lack of methodology in choosing a scope from those who replied. Instead, people went off on tangents like screen refresh rate, etc. We can and should do better.If you're wondering which places to target for new products, I'm encouraged because your product line is weak as if your R&D budget did not survive changes in ownership. When the MSO4000, 3000 and 2000, MSO5000 and MDO products were coming out times were great up to 2GHz and innovation was on a high note. But those looking for 2-8GHz may have strayed to Keysight for their newer designs in that range.In your defense, I am totally into the 5 Series but wonder if you can take that architecture above 2 GHz due to the increasing cost per channel x 6 or 8 channel variants. Below 500MHz, things could get interesting with the architecture and the opportunity for chip count reduction at lower speeds.Sorry this turned into a rant. I'm an Applications Engineering / Technical Marketing / Engineering Manager kind of guy for semiconductors but always really admired oscilloscopes in general and Tek in particular. Get moving!

author: Proto
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2018, 08:08:01 am
content: I forgot to mention the teardown videos of new test equipment including scopes on this site are excellent.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2018, 02:09:54 pm
content: Are there any new oscilloscopes for 2018? Especially in middle range?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2018, 06:42:08 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on March 30, 2018, 02:09:54 pmYes, later this year.SDS5000X range to 1GHz.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/at-last-siglent's-sds5054x-touchscreen/

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2018, 10:49:56 pm
content: I like how the front panel is inspired by Agilent / Keysight DSOX3000 from 2011.But who is going to buy a bloody expensive scope from Siglent??

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2018, 04:16:25 am
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on March 30, 2018, 10:49:56 pmIt seems that's the best you can come up with, even 4 years after this:Quote from: Hydrawerk on May 26, 2014, 08:34:47 amDo you really think there are major differences in the way a scope front panel can be laid out ?Let's see what the feature set and final price will really be before you can call it bloody expensive !