The Doubt about overunity is OVER!!! - Page 1
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author: TunerSandwich
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 10:10:28 am
content: you gotta be shittin me....

author: jimon
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 10:44:19 am
content: Isn't it an another boost converter at scale ? In mean-timehttp://overunity.com/

author: AndreasF
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 10:49:04 am
content: Code:We can amplify it, not multiplication, but amplify.Hmm, I wonder how he intends to "amplify" without multiplication.

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 11:04:29 am
content: Must be Canada... the cold does things to the mind. Or is it the cold radiation?Clinically speaking, these people are not crazy - but that only means they don't need or wouldn't benefit from medical treatment. But from a science point of view they are technically crazy. Or as one polite scientist put it "I fear to say that this gentleman is under the severest delusion".LOL at "there is no such thing as free energy.. " then quickly corrects to say "but we can get out more than we put in".He seems to even lack a basic understanding of Ohms law.

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 11:08:26 am
content: love the part where the other member of the dynamic duo points the IR thermometer up to the sky, attempts to measure the temp, and says "that is the temperature of the ionosphere"and the part where the primary asshat almost kills himself trying to clamp that probe across that live HV wire....and the best part...when the guy whose shop they are borrowing leaves half way through "the professors" nonsense lecture about "cold radiation" and that "amps don't exist"....and of course the part where he says "i won't explain how this works....it works...so stop asking questions".....anyhow I got a few laughs out of this video, so though I would share ..... it's one of the more hilarious videos I have seen from these nut jobs...

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 12:12:20 pm
content: One of my favourite videos..Partly the scale of it, a good few tonnes of steel there, but also the funky music. Makes more sense than some crazy guy "explaining"!Sadly, the video ends before they demonstrate it working. Funny thing is, during construction no-one seems to take precaution against the machine spontaneously starting operation (gravity is always ON where I come from) ... almost like they knew it wouldn't work.

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 12:28:00 pm
content: Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 08, 2015, 12:12:20 pmit's for real....IN BRAZIL!!!

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 12:32:33 pm
content: In this movie, you can even see and hear the efficiency:Note: They got the wheel turning.

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 12:35:43 pm
content: This Gerard Morin guy is my favorite so far.....he keeps building step up converters....claiming they boost voltage and that makes it free energy.....yet never once measures the current draw from the source....but aside from that, I find him wildly entertaining, because when he tries to explain things, he keeps reverting back to established physics, but then stumbles and says no no that isn't what I meant to say...and then makes up some total nonsense speech to try and explain that there is no real word for what he is describing....so he has to describe it in accepted physics terms....it's like this circular debate with himself, where he continually PROVES that the fundamental laws of nature work....if you have some time to kill watch his other videos.....you know by time I mean decompression time where you don't want to be bothered with anything based in reality....toss a few back, put on your rose tinted glasses and completely drop out of reality into the quantum vacuum....while being bathed in the cold radiation....and then there is the gem of a quote from him.....

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 12:41:56 pm
content: Quote from: Kalvin on February 08, 2015, 12:32:33 pmwow....no drive-train losses there....and then on the other side you have to admire the construction and intricacy of these machines.... Rube Goldberg would be proud

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 02:59:52 pm
content: Quote from: AcHmed99 on February 08, 2015, 02:00:43 pm"physicist" .... from a self appointed internet consortium (calling itself something like "free energy new world" blah blah).....this same "physicist" didn't know how to use a thermometer

author: GreyWoolfe
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:03:53 pm
content: I want one of those clamp meter/gieger counters. I didn't know a clamp meter doesn't measure amps but radiation.

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:09:03 pm
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on February 08, 2015, 03:03:53 pmwatch this one....it's utterly hilarious and he even admits to dropping out of school in the 5th grade, because he "wasn't being challenged" and was "being taught lies"....this shit is too good to make up

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:14:13 pm
content: "you can't even drink milk anymore...it's poison to ya" "but if you drink fresh milk straight from a cow, it's fine"......51:01 "the world is full of stupid"....At least he got one thing right.....

author: TunerSandwich
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:17:24 pm
content: claims "the power company is ripping you off"....claims "I have a way to make free energy"....then shows his home electrical sub panel...which is still running on utility service

author: electr_peter
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:19:25 pm
content: Many of these free energy nutjobs sound like they have created a poor DC-DC converter (like recent free energy thread and video from Dave).Their logic: "Wow, I have managed to increase voltage(or current) two times from input voltage(or current)! More voltage (or current) = more power = free power! ..."You can hear sayings like "I got 2x voltage from battery of this voltage using my device" from time to time in the videos.Of course, lacking even basic electronics knowledge, doing little or no real tests, thinking they are 100% right on this "mysterious" issue and science is a conspiracy they continue to claim ridiculous things. Given that even some Nobel prize winners and famous scientists have gone crazy (see "the Nobel disease"), it seems that with some type of personalities, right conditions part and failing of human logic this could happen in all populations.In my opinion most of these nutjobs are honest, only minority are pure scammers though.

author: elgonzo
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:20:19 pm
content: Quote from: TunerSandwich on February 08, 2015, 03:14:13 pmYou mean, sucking the teat of a cow is okay?

author: TunerSandwich
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:22:09 pm
content: "1 2 3 4" "mathematics is wrong and will only get you back to where you started" "the world is full of stupid"....Is using digital video recorder to upload videos to youtube....yep mathematics is totally wrong....

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:24:47 pm
content: Quote from: electr_peter on February 08, 2015, 03:19:25 pmIf by honest you mean truly believe what they are saying then yes....but that is like saying the guy who has conversations with angels is being honest....no it's called schizophrenic....I mean he/she really believes they are talking with angles

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:26:13 pm
content: Quote from: elgonzo on February 08, 2015, 03:20:19 pmin some lonely farms....I am sure they view it as more than okay

author: Artlav
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:27:33 pm
content: Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 08, 2015, 12:12:20 pmMy photoshop detector is ringing...Loudly.Quote from: Kalvin on February 08, 2015, 12:32:33 pmThere is actually a certain beauty in all these mechanical perpettum mobile designs.Add a motor, and you'd get a neat novelty item.

author: GreyWoolfe
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 04:04:49 pm
content: Quote from: elgonzo on February 08, 2015, 03:20:19 pmOnly if you give her flowers and candy first.

author: electr_peter
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 04:18:32 pm
content: Quote from: TunerSandwich on February 08, 2015, 03:24:47 pmYes, I mean they are honest in a sense they truly believe in their bullshit (whatever it may be). They say what they believe. Some people do crazy things for money (scammers), some do it for publicity, some do it for PR stunts (paid actors), etc. But most seem to truly believe.This brings another point about human logic - it is not important what is real, it is important whatwe think and imagineis real. Be it free energy, talking angels or something else. Reality and human thought/imagination do not necessarily coincide.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 04:19:21 pm
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on February 08, 2015, 04:04:49 pmI was waiting for that..... Does she demand Alimony as well afterwards? Or do you turn her into prime steak, roast and a pair of boots.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 04:25:48 pm
content: Iliked the point he kept making about the fuse would blow at 35 amps and his total load was 6ooo watts at 220 volts that is 27.27 amps well within the blow range of the fuse.

author: BlueBill
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 05:02:32 pm
content: I wish I had more tolerance for this overunity crap, but I don't.

author: DanielS
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timestamp: February 08, 2015, 05:49:12 pm
content: You can hear the pitch of the saw motor change when he turns the heaters on/off. That indicates the AC voltage changed. Sounds like his line transformer is simply acting as a large ballast inductor, preventing current from exceeding 30A."300kg, that's a lot of copper, aluminum and iron to fill up" - guess the guy has no clue how electromagnetism works, as you would expect from someone who believes in over-unity.

author: Sbampato12
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 07:41:31 pm
content: Quote from: TunerSandwich on February 08, 2015, 12:28:00 pmI swear even I'm living near, it is not my fault...I don't decided what is worst, the video or the 'music'....

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 09, 2015, 01:56:51 am
content: I find these overunity videos amazingly entertaining......I rarely get so many laughs out of any other form of comedy

author: ModemHead
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timestamp: February 09, 2015, 03:48:06 am
content: Quote from: TunerSandwich on February 09, 2015, 01:56:51 amI find the stuff amusing and disheartening all at the same time. There must be a fundamental failure in science education somewhere.This Morin character's rantings are so laughable, he's not even wrong. He measures current in his house's neutral conductor and concludes that the power company is stealing the energy back that he paid for, in order to sell it to him again. His Ideal clamp meter is a geiger counter that measures "radiation", 'cuz amps is radiation, you know? The back-to-back pole-pig stuff is silly and dangerous. I smell a Darwin award, or is that barbeque?But get this, he has true believers ready to spend time and money to get a piece of this ground-breaking technology:http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19923-gerard-morin-energy.html(TL;DR The believers are collecting money to buy pole pigs and certain model generators that make a special kind of electricity or somesuch.) Ugh.

author: DanielS
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timestamp: February 09, 2015, 04:36:08 am
content: Quote from: ModemHead on February 09, 2015, 03:48:06 amNeed to fill 'em with "cold radiation."he seems to be surprisingly careless around those 14kV distribution transformers... I would not go anywhere near those top terminals with ~120VAC applied on the secondary if the setup really is how it appears to be but he casually held a clamp-meter on it - I was really expecting him to get a serious zap there. If he did not fry himself by practically touching a presumably live high-voltage terminal, something must not be right.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 07:27:45 am
content: The music right at the very end was nice. Everything else was just hopeless, absolutely hopeless.

author: TunerSandwich
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 11:47:13 am
content: Quote from: ModemHead on February 09, 2015, 03:48:06 amI can say, without doubt, that the lack of science emphasis in the US educational system is simply shocking....outrageous....and downright criminal...I am not sure how it is in other countries, but judging by the quantity of foreign nationals that attend college in the USA, i have to imagine they are FAR more educated in science and engineering than most natural citizens here....our systems seem to cater to learning to "sell" nonsense...rather than practicing fact....where Mr. Morin learned this, I'm not sure, but its' the same ole' bullshit....At some point I have just learned to laugh it off....because if you step back, knowing even the most basic things about the natural world....MR. Morins irrational rantings are utterly hilarious....honestly where does he come up with this stuff.....it's especially funny when he stumbles over his own bullshit, and uses an established scientific principle, then tries to back track and explain something very simple...in a totally circular, off the cuff rant about conspiracy etc etc etc....he continually proves science and physics work (as established) and then spends the rest of the video trying to talk his way out of what he just proved....now THAT is funny....it's like watching a trainwreck....The only part that pisses me off, is when he cites the great Nikola Tesla, and claims to be using his research and following in his footsteps.....that is genuinely foul, as Nikola Tesla was a scientist (although a total nut case) and made great contributions to our understanding of our universe....but even then I find some humor, because Morin clearly understands NOTHING about Alternating Current.....

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 09, 2015, 11:48:48 am
content: Quote from: DanielS on February 09, 2015, 04:36:08 ami totally thought something hilarious was going to happen as he reached that clamp meter up towards the bare HV line.....he is one seriously lucky guy....

author: senso
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 12:08:10 pm
content: It must be a genetic/name thing, all the over-unity guys have "strange" sounding names, I think we need a whack-job to create a theory about names and their influence on how illuminated you are.

author: Ebivetar
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 12:30:02 pm
content: Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 08, 2015, 11:04:29 amThey were also measuring radiation level with a clamp meterQuote

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 04:49:51 pm
content: Quote from: ModemHead on February 09, 2015, 03:48:06 amThat raises an interesting observation. Generally technology is only successful because users do not need to understand how things work. It only takes a relatively few engineers to design and manufacture the products, and billions of people can use it.It's shame, but it mostly doesn't matter if people don't understand science, although there are a few exceptions, for example, Climate Change, vaccines, those people who don't fly because they don't understand "how planes stay up"!During the Steorn saga, I hung around sites like PESN.com and overunity.com, there really is a big pool of crackpots out there, it's like a "dark web", where science does not shine it's light...Historically, there have always been crackpots, probably nowadays less by proportion, but more by number. And they now have the internet, instead of sandwich boards or newsletters printed with spirit duplicators. Some of them even have their own TV news channels.

author: BlueBill
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 05:50:27 pm
content: I also spent some brief time over at overunity.com, managed to get threatened, booed and so forth anytime I disputed some random claim.Seems like some folks thing overunity is possible as long as you don't use too much science, as if education will make it not happen.

author: Yago
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 06:58:32 pm
content: The "over unity" holy grail they seek refers to their homo-zygotic properties, one day they, as a people, hope to achieve "multi" status.They'll have to stop sucking on that "cows" single teat first though!

author: ModemHead
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 07:05:12 pm
content: Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 09, 2015, 04:49:51 pmI suppose there will always be crackpots, but the most discouraging part is the number of people willing to buy into a crackpot's claims without a hint of skepticism. Maybe it comes from a pre-existing disposition based on social, economic, political or religious affinities, but that's a topic for another place and time.Funny thing is, to make experimentation on the outlandish claims, you have to use those horrible "conventional" methods and devices. You know, regular math and stuff designed by those poor deluded close-minded college-educated engineers. Hah! I guess as long as you convince yourself that *tomorrow* you will hook the output to the input and it will run itself, then the ends justify the means.Speaking of overunity.com, Google led me there. For those who followed the thread on Dave's free energy B.S. episode, the infamous "Dave Wing" showed up at overunity.com, apparently feeling a little unsatisfied:http://overunity.com/15475/eevblog-free-energy-b-s/Surprisingly he got a really good technically sound answer from Nikola Tesla's anagramic namesake, and disappeared.

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 07:46:48 pm
content: Quote from: ModemHead on February 09, 2015, 07:05:12 pmTinselKoala is a remarkable guy, he also posted as Alsetalokin on Steorn saga. He knows his stuff, is a great experimenter, and seems to have a really thick skin and infinite patience which is a must for dealing with the crackpots. (I managed about 10 minutes)One thing I find interesting, is that science used to be heresy, going against religious dogma. It was safe ground to believe the authority of Church, risky to talk about science. Now the tables have turned, science is regarded as the authority. Religions and their supporters adopt "sciency" language in an attempt to gain credibility. Crackpots challenge science calling it "dogma", when in fact it is the very opposite of dogma.One thing did puzzle me about the Morin video. Why was the temperature of the HV insulator apparently lower than ambient? Or was that just incompetence with the temperature sensor?

author: BlueBill
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 07:54:55 pm
content: Seems Dave Wing has found a home on Overunity.com. I'm sure he'll be happier there anyway.

author: ModemHead
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timestamp: February 09, 2015, 08:18:16 pm
content: Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 09, 2015, 07:46:48 pmThe EM field surrounding the high voltage link drove the amp clamp crazy. I have no reason to believe it wouldn't do the same to the thermo.

author: TunerSandwich
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timestamp: February 09, 2015, 11:11:19 pm
content: when "science" becomes "religion" it is no longer science.....It's very easy to say that pure science has somehow replaced religion, but that is in fact a skewing and bastardization of the scientific method. Science is simply a mthod, and it is flawed humans that turn it into a sham....Science will explain absolutely everything if you give it a chance.....but you have to have your head out of your ass firstFor example I am a scientist and engineer, or at least I try to be objective and practice those methods.....at the same time I believe in a "god" (although I find the bible to be crackpot nonsense). I have no scientific proof of a "god", but I also have no scientific proof about how the universe and all matter came into being....so I guess we have to pick and choose our battles....maybe my logic is flawed, but eventually practicing the scientific method will sort me out....and if it doesn't "god" will

author: DanielS
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timestamp: February 10, 2015, 12:12:21 am
content: Quote from: ModemHead on February 09, 2015, 08:18:16 pmDon't tell that to over-unity nuts - measurement instruments cannot be wrong!But yeah, I strongly suspect their meters were being messed up by the 3kV/m electric field that should be coming off that thing if the setup is really what it seems to be. As I said earlier, I am really surprised he did not get shocked (or worse) while practically touching that bare high-voltage wire.

author: void_error
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timestamp: February 10, 2015, 12:29:36 am
content: At aroundhe mentions the almighty vacuum - nowadays a must have in the overunity... erm... can't call it anything but bullshit. Still funny though. Wondering if it's of quantum type or just regular one

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 02:33:58 am
content: Here's a bit of entertainmenthttp://www.crank.net/And the best of them all (that seems to have disappeared)http://web.archive.org/web/20150203043518/http://www.timecube.com/