Siglent Technologies SDS1202X-E 200 mhz Digital Oscilloscope 2 Channels - Page 1
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author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2023, 09:31:05 pm
content: I purch'd this scope about 2.5 years ago. Haven't used it much because I'm a bit addicted to my old analog Tek 465.That said, if any of you own this scope, share your thoughts. For example, how does it compare to similar priced Rigol models? How about day-to-day reliability?Please share any tips and tricks with this scope.One strange "anomaly" (??) of the Siglent I ran into was that if I swapped my probe from Ch1 to Ch2 -- the probe tips and gnd on the same DUT -- Ch2 did not lock trigger. I don't know how to do that.If I have both Ch1 and Ch2 probes -- say comparing two logic-chip outputs -- then Ch 2 does lock (as does Ch1).Have look at this waveform displayed on my Siglent. It is MCK output from an audio USB-I2S adapter (see bottom photo; the Owon meter was used in another experiment). I am using the alligator probe for gnd.Anythinglookunusual?

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2023, 09:32:17 pm
content: Scope fFirmware is up to date ?

author: TheDefpom
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2023, 09:34:16 pm
content: If you are triggering from a different channel then you need to select which channel that is in the trigger menu.Also set the trigger level to get the best rising edge, where it is in the image could result in irregular triggers.

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2023, 10:43:49 pm
content: You also shouldn't really switch probes between channels because they will need to be re-compensated. Probe compensation is channel is specific to each channel.Wouldn't make a huge difference, but for the sake of best performance and all ..

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2023, 11:35:30 pm
content: Quote from: TheDefpom on February 17, 2023, 09:34:16 pmYeah, for some reason I can't permanently set EDGE trigger for both channels. If I turn on edge for one channel, the other channel trigger is null. And so I must manually do it. Weird.Also veryweirdis the cold start ...If I've had the unit off -- unplugged - - for, say over a few hours or longer, and re-start, I have very rough 15-20 minutes of 'settling-in time'. Nothing locks (trigger), As I rotate the vertical or horiz., or other buttons, I can monetarily see the correct signal. This even applies to something as simple as the 1k square wave /ground tab on the from. The first test of 'scope reliability.And then -- after 20 min or so -- normal. Very weird!I have not used this 'scope enough to establish some sort of what-is-normal behavior. And of course, the 'scope is out of warranty! Life lesson: open and test your new instrument thoroughly and extensively upon delivery! It might come outta the simulation factory ... possessed.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2023, 06:34:35 am
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 17, 2023, 11:35:30 pmYou're in the DSO world now and not all CRO features migrate to DSO's, ALT triggering a fine example.Quote1/ Previously you have been asked but haven't responded which firmware version is installed ?To be up to date Sys Info in the Utility menu should display Version V1.3.262/ This DSO should perform perfectly from the moment it is powered ON on one proviso, it has previously been powered OFF correctly.That is with a 2s press of the power button to allow the instrument to power down in a controlled manner and save all previous settings.If by chance firmware is up to date and scope is still playing up press Default to return the instrument to factory settings.QuoteYes, that is evident and you really need spend more time with it to learn all its features.First for me is what I see on the display which tells me heaps about how you have it set and how you have used it.We are here to help and first exercise is to grab a USB stick and learn how to capture screenshots to it by just pressing the blue Print button. These captures are just a few 10's of KB not some 2.5 MB monster done with a camera.Cleverly done you can capture an appropriate menu too to convey to us more info on how you have the scope set up.Learning to use the power of the scope starts with setting channel input attenuation and probe attenuation correctlyso measurements are correct which removes the need for mental arithmetic on the fly to arrive at waveform values.Typically we set the probe and channel attenuation to 10xand leave it there. Each probe also needs to be assigned to a channel by fitting the colored rings and in 10x mode compensated.Looking forward to seeing more of your work.

author: sonpul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2023, 12:26:44 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 17, 2023, 09:31:05 pmNo. This is what the signal looks like. For example, I looked at Pi2AesAnd with raspberry pi4

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 07:41:30 am
content: Quote from: tautech on February 18, 2023, 06:34:35 amNo, I have not updated FW.Today, I had the unit unplugged for a few hours. Came back to it, plugged it in, put the probes (1x) on the 1khz sqr wave/gnd test tab (see photos).Got weird NON-square 1khz form for a few minutes. And it settled to a nice, clean square. This is what I was referring to before. The cold-start weirdness can vary quite a bit -- waves look strange or can't lock, etc.Un-updated firmware causingthisgarbage --- really ? Even so, what a major SNAFU in quality control.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 08:56:45 am
content: Please please please learn how to take USB screenshots so we can see your settings otherwise we cannot offer proper advice.

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 09:37:11 am
content: Quote from: tautech on February 19, 2023, 08:56:45 amWhat a weird comment! How else would one know where my probe was plugged into. Or that I really own the 'scope. Screen shots are easy to steal from Google images.Come on!You really are completely clueless as to what the cold boot issue is, right?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 09:47:08 am
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 19, 2023, 09:37:11 amDon't call me clueless sonny as I've sold more of these scopes than you might imagine !Again, we can't see your settings in the piss poor pics you took due to the lighting glare.Please take a screenshot to USB with the blue print button then we can see what's going on.

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 02:28:26 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on February 19, 2023, 09:47:08 amWhat a weird comment! How else would one know where my probe was plugged into. Or that I really own the 'scope. Screen shots are easy to steal from Google images.Come on!You really are completely clueless as to what the cold boot issue is, right?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 02:46:07 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 19, 2023, 02:28:26 pmDo you need help or you just enjoy this kind of conversation....?You need to work with people that are trying to help you.. Sort of help them to help you..That being said, please apply newest firmware for your scope. Manufacturers make fixes and upgrades and sometimes that is all that needs to be done to fix something.Second, how do you know it isn't the probes that is problematic ? 1X/10X probes can have noisy switches and also cable and BNC can have bad contact.Does the overshoot that is visible gradually (slowly) sets to normal squarewave or it is distorted for few minutes and then suddenly switches to proper squarewave ?Is problem visible only on CH2 ?

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 05:00:57 pm
content: It looks that @13hm13 have latest FW (it is SDS1202X-E).I recommend (because @13hm13 talk about "cold start" problem)... right now, the first thing to do is to rule out all other factors that may affect the matter except the oscilloscope itself. So it need investigate without probes. (And next "desert method" because I do not know what tools @13hm13 have available)Perhaps most simple thing is: Just single wire from Probe compensation output (1kHz "square") to both input BNC center tab (do it so that contact is reliable but do not damage BNC center). (no need separate GND wire, it is connected internally and is ok for this purpose.)Then do many all kinds of cold starts etc and watch results (you can example keep it in the fridge, for example, and you'll get a bit more of a thermal gradient there when it starts up and warms up.)You can also use even infinitedisplay persistence settingso that if any short-term or slow changes these also stay visible on screen.)And then, please display results to us (oscilloscope screen image (png)) if there any weird things visible.(your previous image looks like just as typical very badly uncompensated 10:1 probe or somehow failed probe)If in this test can not find any problem.Then next step is look your probes... these have really LOT of higher failure rate that these scopes. (I have never seen any failed SDS1202X-E and I have some experience about (## pcs) these started from the time Siglent have started manufactured this model. But I have seen several failed PP215 probes. Probes are just consumables like lamps and car brake pads. They are also cheap. They can in no way be compared to some of the professional Tektronix measuring heads costing hundreds of euros. )But now we first need to find out if the problem is either inside the oscilloscope or for some reason or another somewhere outside it.

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 05:08:38 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 19, 2023, 02:28:26 pmWE all are, to be honest. The main reason is you are not following people's suggestions and giving them the information they need to help.BTW, Tautech is a Siglent dealer. He has considerable first hand experience with these scopes and a direct line to Siglent to get any hard questions answered. Being flippant with him might not be your best approach.Every single person on this site knows full well what the compensation signal is and what it is used for. One thing it is not usually used for is probes set on x1. It is there to adjust the compensation capacitor in the probes for proper response to a square wave at 10x.It would help tremendously if you did a proper screen shot (insert USB stick, press blue "Print" button, and attach the file to this thread so that we can see how the scope is configured.As 2N3055 suggests, this could be caused by a faulty probe. Try fiddling with the 1X/10X switch when you see the problem. Or tapping gently on the probe itself.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 05:55:50 pm
content: Before I retired, I was surprised at how several junior engineers, who were otherwise quite competent at their jobs, did not understand CRO calibrator outputs and probe compensation adjustment.

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 06:43:03 pm
content: Cold boot this morning. Not as distorted as yesterday, but not SQUARE given the probe is connected to Siglent's own, pure 1k sqr generator tab.This is the ENDS issue.Have it both ways, folks, as your are deflecting! But concentrate on the ENDS, not the MEANS: This issue ain't about the USB captureSo don't let your dream get distracted============MEANS: iPhone capture:=============MEANS: USB "Print" capture=============EDIT:I just noticed that for all the images above, my probe switch was on 10x while the scope was MENU-set to 1x. So that may have caused this morning's issue.Returning the probe to 1x made waveform look normal (see below)This looks better, but the Siglent has been warming up for about half hour now, so the issue may very well cont. to exist???The iPhone capture supports my point that USB Print is not a major issue; in fact, it may be the better storyteller.

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 07:07:58 pm
content: Did you do the compensation adjustment on your probes in 10X mode?

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 07:32:38 pm
content: Your explanation and imges tell that you have not adjusted probe LF compensation. (Probe 10x aka 10:1)Of course when probe is 1x square looks quite ok because when probe is set for 1x this LF compensation do not affect anything. (how you set oscilloscope input probe factor do not matter in this, only what matter is probe itself)But when probe is set for 10x then also this compensation need adjust. In your pictures it is now very clear that it is not adjusted ok and you need do it. You , user, are responsible about it, not Siglent.You need adjust it so that bottom and top is as flat as possible.If you swap probe to other input also then this compensation need check and adjust if need. Because inputs are not perfectly same (capacitance may differ as can see also in data sheet).Then. Everyone knows that user manuals are only for dummies and us old people.Of course, this way one can indirectly reveal that one haven't read the user manual. In first hand, of course, is important to barking that Siglent is complete shit. One could also sometimes ask the mirror.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 07:35:54 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 19, 2023, 06:43:03 pmUnknown just yet but thank you for some decent imagery.I strongly suggest you follow rf-loop's instructions as he knows these scope even better than I.Display/Persistence = Infinite will show what a square wave looks like as the unit warms up.Use the probe compensation output and as rf-loop says there is not need for a GND connection and even just use a short length of soft wire.Recommend beforehand to do a Default on the scope and then only adjust the timebase and V/div for the capture although you may need the scope to fully cool again in order to capture this drift you have seen.

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 08:23:05 pm
content: Thanks for everyone's feedback.It's important to keep the MAIN issue the forefront: the cold-boot issue.It was presented earlier in this thread here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-technologies-sds1202x-e-200-mhz-digital-oscilloscope-2-channels/msg4711016/#msg4711016Notice the distorted 1k sqr waveform. The probe's own switch was on 1x, as was the Siglent's menu-setting (1x). And I've had prev. cold-boot issues that I did not image.This unreliability reduces my confidence in the day-to-day operation of this 'scope .... and, perhaps, of Siglent's overall QC standards. See my OP.I do not have reliability issues with my other scope-in-the-house, the Tek 465. All orig. 1976 components inside; electro caps orig AFAIK. When I purch'd from eBay (2008), it was sold for $50 non-functional from US Navy labs. One Tant. cap brought it back to life with a great trace --- no issue with it ever since.About the cold-boot issue with my Siglent .... as I noted earlier, it has less than 4-5 hours total use time since purchase in mid 2020.Working on audio gear -- especially audiophile gear -- and some computer stuff, I have noticed weird reliability issues that go away magically after the device has attained some use hours. No sure about thissettlementprocess ... e.g., current travelling thru new traces, wires, etc, smoothing and "sanding" out the path until the electrons "flow" smoothly and reliably. Very mystical ,the Simulation is

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 08:27:40 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 19, 2023, 08:23:05 pmYou have been asked to test again without the probe with a piece of wire or even with a Tek probe.We need to eliminate probes as the cause.

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 08:48:34 pm
content: Quote from: BillyO on February 19, 2023, 07:07:58 pmNo! And yes, this cleaned up what I reported earlier today. So I am making some progressCold-boot reliability still on wait-n-see ...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 09:09:42 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 19, 2023, 08:48:34 pmUnfortunatelly, you didn't clear much. You keep repeating same sentences and randomly test some stuff nobody asked you..Please answer the questions:1. Is this cold start problem you see only on CH2 ?2. If you connect 1x probe on "warm" scope and now see it correctly, don't touch anything and shutdown scope. Leave it for few hours (you said that is needed for it to act up). Then start it up and verify if signal is distorted.3. If signal is distorted, how long it takes to "clean up"? Is it gradually going to normal or it snaps back in instant at one moment?

author: JeremyC
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 09:31:57 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 19, 2023, 08:48:34 pmDid you processed self-calibration? If not then please do, the process is described in the user manual.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 09:39:07 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 19, 2023, 08:48:34 pmThe only thing that I can think of that would cause this and be internal to the scope would be if the input capacitance of a particular channel were changing. I think it is pretty unlikely that the calibrator output would misbehave so as to cause that display, but if you have another scope, you can check easily enough.If the problem is changing input capacitance, testing with the probe set to 1X isn't going to help. Instead, if you try this fairly simple procedure I think you can figure out if and where there is a problem.1) Connect a probe to each channel, set to 10X, and connect both of them to the calibrator output. Remove (completely) and set aside both ground clips, you don't need them and they might cause confusing results.2) Set both channels identically so that the calibrator signal appears on screen and the two signals are right on top of one another. It doesn't actually matter whether you select 1X or 10X on the scope, but just to keep things straight use 10X.3) After the scope is all warmed up, adjust each probe's compensation as needed for the nicest square edge you can manage. Observe for a little bit and make sure the display is very stable and the traces are right on top of one another. You can alternately select each channel and it should be right on top of the other one, as if there was only one trace.4) Turn the scope off overnight or for as long as you think it needs to cool down. Turn it back on and see if there is any problem.

author: Hank69
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2023, 11:32:18 pm
content: Some time ago last year, (May 2022), I ordered a Rigol DS1202Z-E from big A and I found myself adjusting the wrong channel with the STUPID, one knob control for both vertical channels. I had to constantly "remind" myself of what channel I was currently using. Back then I found and reported a bug that when any vertical adjustment was made to either channel, the other channel's ground reference "jumped" upward by 15-20 mV. Even pushing either channels vertical button to zero the channel to the horizontal grid line would make the other channel jump. I was currently looking for a scope to use for my "retirement hobby" projects and as I was checking the latest Rigol firmware updates, there were NO FW updates issued from the time this bug was reported to the present time. BUT, the most important factor that steered me to the Siglent SDS1202X-E was the separate vertical controls. The max 14M point-single/7M-dual channel memory of the Siglent is more than sufficient for home use and works very well. I discovered that the Siglent's top right freq window does not report signals < 10Hz and if you select the freq option in the measurements window it will report nicely a 7.38Hz signal as shown in the pix. Accurate freq measurements can also be obtained via cursor measurement. I enjoy the colors used in the yellow/blue trace display as there is no mistaking channel data on the screen. I can totally recommend the Siglent even though it costs a bit more, but, having separate vertical controls is mandatory in my mind....P.S. IF you are still having issues with the operation I would strongly suggest to contact Siglent and take advantage of the three year warranty. Worth a shot....

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 06:55:25 am
content: About my probes ... pretty std. Velleman 100 mhz, 1x/10 x probes. Not high end but typical probes (2010 price) puch'd at a local electronics shop. See:https://www.jameco.com/z/PROBE100-Velleman-4-Foot-100MHz-Oscilloscope-Probe-Set_2130618.htmlAbout my issue ... "Auto Setup" seems to be the magic button, at least for warm boots. It fixes everything. If I don't press Auto Setup, and warm boot OFF---> ON (the flashing power button, in standby mode I assume) , and have the probe connected to the front-panel 1k sqrwave / gnd tap for self test, I get a horizontallyrollingpattern. I must go into Trigger Setup, and manually select Source (CH1 or 2)andSlope Falling (but sometimeseitherRising or Falling will stop the rolling ...... WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!).Not sure about Cold Boot. I don't have lot of time to invest in this experiment.Bottom line:After the 1k square wave looks good, square and steady ... and I unplug the device as is ... and re-plug and pwr on, a day or two later, with the probe still connected to 1k test tap, the Siglent should show the SAME steady 1k square wave, EXACTLY as when I pulled the plug. My Tek 465 can do that.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 07:57:55 am
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 20, 2023, 06:55:25 amThere is your problem, you MUST power down with the front panel button for this scope to save settings.I mentioned this 2 days ago.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 08:43:50 am
content: Let me reiterate what so far several people told you:Modern scopes are NOT anything alike your Tek 465.They are basically computers put in scope case.You have to boot them, and shutdown them nicely. Like computer.They have literally 10s of triggers and trigger modes.But they don't have alternate trigger.Modern digital scopes are much more powerful than old analog ones. They also don't have some stuff old ones had, some stuff because they are digital and some because people changed the way we use scopes..But that brings both complexity and new ways of thinking, before we are able to use them them to full extent.They don't have physical switches. You set them up from menus. What software remembers is important.You can set scope to boot every time to a reset state. That is default. You can also go into menu and set them to boot to any combination you like. You can save many different setups and recall them.Digital scopes are different.Bottom line is that you seem to not understand exactly how to use digital scope and you need to read the manual to learn how. You will have to invest time. Otherwise you will never know how to use it properly..I understand your frustration. But that is just how the world is today. Take it or leave it.I have same problem with these new cars. There are quite few today that don't even have a knob to set heating. You set it on a stupid touchscreen. It annoys me to no end. But I had to drive one few days ago and I had to learn how to navigate menus because alternative was to freeze because I refuse to learn how to do it. That seemed stupid, because I don't like cold. So I spent few minutes learning to navigate menu system.. I was still annoyed by why is world going in that direction but I was able to operate it so it serves my purpose.Being stubborn at yourownexpense is never good choice..

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 03:24:30 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 20, 2023, 06:55:25 amWhat I proposed will take you 2 minutes to set up at night and 30 seconds to check in the morning. And stop unplugging your DSO before you shut it down, that's not the proper way to use it. Do you yank the plug out of the wall on your computer or LCD TV and expect it to go right back to where it was when you plug it back in? After all, my old RCA Colortrak would do that just fine....

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 07:44:53 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on February 20, 2023, 07:57:55 amSorry to confuse you. Again. And again.Come on, man ... how careless do you assume quotidian experiments are?No, I'm not as presumptuous as you assume in your preachings : By "as is", I only meant with the probe connected to the 1k tap. Ialwaysuse the pwr button to OFF the Siglent,and wait for the black screen, before unplugging. Just like w/my Tek--use it's pwr button, but that one is always left plugged in unless I have to move it.IAC ...After overnight cycle ... the Siglent seems to be behaving upon start. "Fascinating!"

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 08:21:29 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 20, 2023, 07:44:53 pmAs careless as your communications, perhaps?Given your setup as pictured and assuming this is at power-on with no adjustments, I've no idea why you would have "horizontal rolling" on startup at times. As for the probe compensation pattern issue that you were originally complaining of, you would likely need to have the probe set for 10X to observe such a problem. I explained this in an earlier post. I'm squinting and guessing, but it looks like your probe is set for 1X. And it looks like you have AC coupling on, although we can't read the screen at all.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 08:29:11 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 20, 2023, 07:44:53 pmQuoteNow if you could just learn to use it DC input coupled and only use AC coupling when required I'll leave you to enjoy learning the capabilities of these fine little DSO's.

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2023, 02:27:28 am
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on February 20, 2023, 08:21:29 pmExcuses, excuses.And if I did post a video of the rolling, many of you would pontificate that I did not use some sort of Siglent "Print" button (video mode).Beyond weirdness y'all areBTW ... about the "unplugged as is" remark many of y'all jumped on me fer .... 'cuz, ya know, y'all ain't capable of thinkin; outsidethat"box".Well, that got me to thinkin' outside ... and inside ... da box.The Siglent SHOULD be able to recover from apower outage.Recover and RESUME like nothin' had happened. Plug-n-play, baby!Maybe I'll experiment with that.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2023, 05:48:25 am
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 21, 2023, 02:27:28 amRTFM. It's in the utility menu.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2023, 08:22:55 am
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 21, 2023, 02:27:28 amAt this point it is obvious that you didn't come here for help but for something else..Funny enough, I find your style familiar ("everybody is an idiot except you" type..), just cannot put a finger on it ...Scope recovers from power outage just fine. Works perfectly, it seems. It just resets to defaults because you need to save your favorite settings first. But you need to learn how to do it..In order to be able to think out of the box you first need to know what is inside the box.I have two news for you: good and bad.Good one is that your scope is all good and well. Not a single problem with it. So no need to worry.Bad news is that you don't know how to use it and refuse to learn.And you are being a toss to people trying to teach you a thing or two and help you. You'll have to work on that, or bad results are guaranteed..Devices will behave exactly as designers that designed them intended. Not the way you think they should behave, ignoring 40 years of electronics development and physical realities. This particular scope comes with a 247 pages book. Read it. We know you can read, you have no problem writing offensive comments to people. Just use your reading skills for good.Learn. It's good for you.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2023, 08:33:23 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on February 21, 2023, 08:22:55 amOne of the best threads about SDS1202X-E a few pages in when Charlotte orders one:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/what-an-oscilloscope-recommended-for-a-woman-passionate-about-electronics/msg3104228/#msg3104228There's another 30 pages in this thread where we explore all the features with Charlotte.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2023, 02:55:12 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on February 21, 2023, 08:22:55 amYes, he came here to entertain us!As an aside, I think one reason some people have difficulty transitioning to a DSO from an older CRO is that they never really understood how to use their CRO either. They can twiddle the knobs and get a picture, not unlike how 50 years ago someone with absolutely no electronics knowledge could still figure out how to get a picture on their television. Set the channel, adust the fine tuning, move the aerial, adjust the vertical hold, adjust the contrast/brightness/color settings until it looks right, etc.

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2023, 04:59:21 am
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on February 21, 2023, 02:55:12 pmYou bet ....Look, fellas .... I get it, 'k ....Some y'all sellin' these Sigs fer a livin', and bad publicity ain't good fer biz. So let every issue be some sort of "OPERATOR ERROR". Use that 'scuse till the POS is outta warranty.And there are the brand-name fanboys. Hey, I know what you mean. I love my Fluke and Tek more than anyone.And then there are service techs and engineers that have been using the questionable model ... and will defend it to the hilt .... 'cause they don't wanna face the possibility that they mighta UNKNOWINGLY screwed the pooch on upteen service calls or projects ... cuz the gremlin was something called Siglent ... havin' the last laugh.And the dream goes on ....

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2023, 07:16:24 am
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 22, 2023, 04:59:21 amLike I said, you can live in a dream world and just keep saying other people are guilty for you being uneducated and rude.But, all in all, it is ultimately up to you to decide to put in work and make yourself better: more knowledgeable and less rude and obnoxious.You demonstrated staggering amount of inability to use a device you have and to learn how to use it properly. That by itself is not a problem. But your refusal to try and fix that shortcoming is.Maybe there is something funny with the scope. We don't know. You worked hard against all of us so we could not prove it either way. You worked hard to just keep it at level of accusations and uncertainty and doubt. I'm not dumb, scope is !By what you were able to demonstrate, scope you have is fully functional and nothing is broken. You simply don't know how to use it and refuse to follow simple troubleshooting procedures that are meant to prove that scope is functioning properly.Honestly, all things break sometimes. Wetried to help you prove it is brokenso you can verify if you have the problem. We couldn't find anything wrong (well, nothing wrong with the scope, anyways).It is you that came here with an agenda to prove that scope is broken and POS because you simply cannot be wrong, as perfect as you are... Other people just tried to help you, which they mostly regret now..I will repeat. Scope seems to be fine. Read the manual. Learn how to use it. Enjoy new found knowledge and skills..

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2023, 02:52:12 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on February 22, 2023, 04:59:21 amThat's not now it works around here and if anyone notices an actual issue like this, it gets discussed and the manufacturer gets roasted if need be. There was a previous long discussion of an issue involving your exact model of oscilloscope and similar to whatever it is you are claiming. Given that you said that yours is 2.5 years old, it probably wouldn't apply since Siglent rectified the issue in production. If you weren't being such a meathead we might have helped you figure that out by now. But as it stands, we have no idea what is causing what you observe.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1202x-e-compensation-issue/

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2023, 03:51:35 pm
content: Someone should refer this thread to Messrs. D. Dunning and J. Kruger for consideration as a case study.But otherwise not worth further effort.

author: modoran
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2023, 04:16:29 pm
content: You should just return the scope and that's it. Never buy any DSO again.

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2023, 05:08:10 am
content: Quote from: modoran on February 22, 2023, 04:16:29 pmMaybe not a Siglent or cheap Chinese DSO (Rigol, etc).But I'm pretty rich -- $$ wise -- so I can 'ford to have it around and NOT use it for 2+ years like I noted in thie OP. Maybe an Agilent or Tek or R&S in the next shopping cart?Seriously, put it away in situ for a week or two. Unplugged. Turned it on. And all well and good.Except if one tries to manually set some things, the Siglentloses it's mind .Ya know ... the same stuff I noted in the earlier posts?And it's back to pushin' those Blue Buttons ("Idiot Buttons"): Default and Auto Setup. I'm sure y'all are used to the same ROUTINE. Then the dream comes back crystal clear. Not gliching, no setting of falling/trailing edge slop. Etc. etc.I assume this is how all Siglent SDS 1202'sdream? Yes?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2023, 08:08:41 am
content: Where's the screenshots to demonstrate what you're waffling on about ?The idiot buttons as you call them are configurable but you should know that if you took time to RTFM or even attempt to learn this scopes capabilities.So I got one out to do our PD checks and grabbed a screenshot to help guide you.Here in the Save/Recall menu is a feature to set the Default button just to your personal liking, much like you can do by recalling a previously saved Setup file however a User defined Default is accessible with just one button press....Default. As seen in this screenshot it's so easy to configure, just save the current scopes setup.....or at any time you want/need to return the Factory setup just toggle the Type button and save it.Too easy:

author: 13hm13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2023, 06:30:49 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on March 04, 2023, 08:08:41 amYup ... all ya' wanna see is pretty pictures ... like porn ... which y'all will never be satisfied with anyway cuz it ain't a genuine SCREENSHOT. Oh, and HTF do you capturedynamicphenomenon -- which is a big part of the issue I keep runnin' into? I'll have to "RTFM" to figure out the video capture mode, right?Quote"RTFM" .... "RTFM" ... "RTFM" ... the typical, lazy AF reply.Well, here's mine: TL;DR.A device should be outta-da-box intuitive, and ready to go for common, everyday tasks. Like Apple products or Toyota cars.I keep goin' back to my old Tek 465. Never read TFM.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2023, 07:28:30 pm
content: Quote from: 13hm13 on March 04, 2023, 06:30:49 pm

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2023, 11:14:37 am
content: Quote from: BillyO on February 19, 2023, 05:08:38 pmThis reminds me of the Microsoft moment some years ago when they'd just added the Korn shell (ksh) to their offering and a Microsoft guy at a conference talk was arguing with someone about the correctness of their implementation. After a few back-and-forths someone took the MS guy aside and pointed out that the person he was arguing with was David Korn...