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Forum section: electronics / general

author: Jbliss
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 05:56:48 am
content: How do they get away with this bull shithttp://www.audioquest.com/power-cables/nrg-10

author: bills
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 06:09:50 am
content: Because there are enough dumb people that buy there stuff.

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 07:24:16 am
content: and of course no sign of datasheet or proper measurements... just magic words.Anyway this one:http://studiozey.com/see also here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-snake-oil-thread/msg739875/#msg739875is surely my top 1 regarding audio idiots...

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 07:29:26 am
content: Quote from: zucca on August 28, 2015, 07:24:16 amYou can't measure this stuff. Nobody has ever made a meter as sensitive as the combination of the ear and brain. Only a human can determine the width of a sound stage or the darkness of the background.She's a witch, burn her!

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 07:31:41 am
content: Quote from: BradC on August 28, 2015, 07:29:26 amthanks, that's why after a good cold beer my stereo sounds so much better.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 08:16:22 am
content: It says the cable is made from solid, rather than stranded cores which won't comply with the electrical regulations in most countries which is dangerous and shouldn't be sold.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 08:57:15 am
content: Quote from: Jbliss on August 28, 2015, 05:56:48 amYou are just jealous because you didn't figure out a way to minimize distortion caused by grain boundaries

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 09:54:14 am
content: Quote from: zucca on August 28, 2015, 07:31:41 amEverything sounds better after a beer (particularly my voice).

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 10:15:00 am
content: From:http://www.audioquest.com/hdmi/diamondAside from other pearls we got:QuoteNow, I can understand how people assume (although wrongly) that buying a 10kUSD cable might affect their analog setup, but digital?I'm kinda sad right now...

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 10:27:37 am
content: Quote from: bills on August 28, 2015, 06:09:50 amWhat's worse is these con artists go home at night with pockets full of money and feel good about it. Taking advantage of people, smart or not is a crime against humanity.I'd say they'll get what's coming to them, but that usually doesn't happen, they just move on to the next thing, like the Batteriser, LMAO.

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 10:44:39 am
content: I've cabled a few studios, and never used any exotic media... Just good honest professional cables well laid. Connectors, buy the best you can.The rest is total BS

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 10:48:25 am
content: You'll do far more good by crossing other cables at 90-degrees!!

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 10:55:54 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on August 28, 2015, 08:16:22 amThey further say:-"Thenegative conductorsin NRG-10 are insulated withpartially conductive Carbon-Loaded Polyethylene"Its ac ,morons!--it doesn't have anegativeconductor.Partially conductive?----for a Mains cable?

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 11:49:19 am
content: They're not wrong. Half of the time one of the conductors is negative.They also have found that audio cables are directional. That must be why it sounds so bad here, I've used it the wrong way!Too bad they don't have color enhancing hdmi cables.Ah, Dutch people... They claim to have worked at Bose on their linkedin. Hmm, sure Bose isn't this fake?http://www.audioquest.com/contactmap/#netherlands

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 11:58:03 am
content: Of course these cables work after all you spent the money on them and it cannot possibly be that you would use and wasted your money and that you were tricked because you were not clever enough. We were invited to Christmas dinner at my sister's father-in-law to be house and I had to employ every ton of diplomacy I could scrape from my brain and not tell him that the system he was proudly showing me and cost him far more than it should have and that all those gold plated power cables and signal cables were a load of bullocks.It works because you believe it does. At the end of the day I think most people who spend these exorbitant amounts of money on these stupid products obviously have the money to burn and perhaps deserve be duped for not applying a minimum amount of rational thought. On the other hand I'd like to crucify the perpetrators.

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 12:07:01 pm
content: Years ago I heard a spectacular system which was a gold plated turntable connected to a pair of 300B triode mono-bloc amps and some lovely speakers. It sounded magnificent. No, it really sounded spectacular, it just that the recording didn't sound like the mastering engineer intended it to. As far as sound, it had a lovely warm sound with plenty of harmonic distortion but it was not what the record was intended to sound like.If I wanted to listen to a distorted recording, I could do it far cheaper. When I listen to a recording, I want to hear what the mixing engineer heard in the studio at final mixdown. The mastering engineer tries to take this and massage it so it sounds as close to that as possible on the systems we mere mortals use. Single ended, transformer coupled triodes are not those systems.Gold plated cables, stickers designed to absorb negative energy and interconnects with electrically biased insulation don't help.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 12:12:13 pm
content: I took a cheap amplifier from eBay and connect the up to a pair of speakers. But it did not sound very good. So I decided to improve matters and got a pair of 100 W Wharfedale speakers and connected to them to my puny little 2W amplifier it sounded like heaven. Stock cables and everything and ate shitty little amplifier of eBay one of those things racially fought hundred watts when you know damn well it would just about 2. The speakers are often the crappyest thing at the end of a system no amount of cables will fix that

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 01:09:37 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on August 28, 2015, 12:12:13 pmYou can spend more than 100k quid on a single speaker easilyBut a pair of nice speakers from a known vendor for about 400-800 quid is more than sufficient. With a decent amp you can feel the bass with your feet and some classic music will give you the creeps (and maybe an angry neighbour).

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 01:16:26 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on August 28, 2015, 11:58:03 amGosh, that sounds like dating sites and religion!

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 01:16:49 pm
content: my set of 2 warfdale 100W speakers came to me from a charity shop for the vast sum of 50p (£0.50). I normally use them in my living room connected to a car amplifier that was thrown out by someone at work because he was too stupid to work out how to get it to turn on. The resulting system is hooked up to my DVD player for when friends come round. The comment that one person made when hearing it for the first time was that is was like being at the cinema.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 01:17:26 pm
content: Quote from: SL4P on August 28, 2015, 01:16:26 pmwell religion never had any effect on me, I seem to have non in women in real life

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 01:46:38 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on August 28, 2015, 01:16:49 pmNice bargain! I got a speaker kit with Pioneer drivers, classic design with 2 x bass, midrange and treble. And for the PC it's a pair of inexpensive and small Magnat studio speakers connected to a TDA1519 powered by the PC's ATX PSU. Much better than any Logitech satellite-subwoofer-system. And of course, no directional power or speaker wires

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 01:52:01 pm
content: Quote from: SL4P on August 28, 2015, 01:16:26 pmIt's called cognitive dissonance. It makes you think that the stereo sounds betters because you can't admit (to yourself) paying a lot of money for nonsense.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 01:54:37 pm
content: people with money will spend exorbitant amounts on things they know only few can afford just because they can and gives them a warm fuzzy feeling. The rest of us prefer to live our lives.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 02:01:30 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on August 28, 2015, 08:16:22 amI actually haven't seen this in any codes UL, CE, NEC, CSA.. Can you elaborate what you are citing?

author: steve30
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 10:24:46 am
content: I've seen loads of examples of snake oil cables for sale, but are there many webpages made by the gullible people who actually buy them? Not sure I've ever seen one.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 01:34:15 pm
content: Quote from: kc3ase on August 29, 2015, 02:01:30 amNo, I don't have a citing, as the standards are all payware. There's a reference to it in the portable appliance testing (PAT) standard but I don't have it with me ant the moment. I believe it'll probably be somewhere in BS EN 50525.http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030188772Solid core wire is not allowed for portable appliances because the conductors can't be bent many times before braking, due to metal fatigue. All portable appliances must have flexible cables, with conductors consisting of many strands of fine wire.If saw one of those silly solid core audio cables at work, I'd put it quarantine and even consider destroying it so it can't be used.

author: Jbliss
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 03:15:05 pm
content: Quote from: SL4P on August 28, 2015, 10:44:39 amAgreed man

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 05:34:05 pm
content: The good thing about spouting nonsense is that you don't have to be self consistent. In the first paragraph they talk about the dangers of stranded wire because of inter strand effects. A few paragraphs down they talk about their concentric construction where the strands of the positive conductor surround the strands of the negative conductor. They talk about the smoothness of the cable and even minimizing grain boundaries because of the impact of discontinuities, and then brag about adding ferrite absorbers.I guess this advert shows the attention span of an audiophool.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 08:11:19 pm
content: At the end of the day the reader will have little to no technical background, and writer will probably be not much better.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 08:36:02 pm
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on August 28, 2015, 10:27:37 amWell to be fair their customers share a lot of the blame for supporting these scam artists. The fact that such people with such excessive disposable income seem to want some magic bullet to improve their audio systems or to impress their equally minded friends. It's just jewelry to prop up their egos. These suppliers and customers deserve each other in a free market. These are not payday lenders feeding on the dregs of society.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 08:39:08 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on August 29, 2015, 08:36:02 pmQuite, these people are buying a product, that product includes the service and cap doffing. If that is what people want and they can pay for it, good luck to them and good to see some trickle down or at least acrossI'm sure every maker of these cables has some unique background/story

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 10:12:58 am
content: Quote from: CatalinaWOW on August 29, 2015, 05:34:05 pmDangers of stranded wire? If they're telling the truth about solid core wire then their product is dangerous and should be taken off the market. They should be fined so much money they go out of business.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 10:14:07 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on August 30, 2015, 10:12:58 amYou can't do that, think of the unemployment and loss of tax revenue