Does anyone know Japanese? - Page 1
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author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 06:32:39 pm
content: Hi,I'm trying to contact a guy in Japan through a webform and I don't know what to put in!!!

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 06:41:37 pm
content: It looks like a standard captcha, so I guess you have to type in the text with the blueish background. So even if you could read it you are a bit out of luck...

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 06:45:25 pm
content: I translated the bottom part:Please enter the letters written in the picture with numbers.Example) "Ichi ni san" ? "1234"? Please input in half size numerals.Even I remember Ichi=1, ni=2, san=3, but that isn't helping me much!I don't know what a half size numeral is either...

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:06:33 pm
content: I'm sure someone will respond with the correct translation, but then if you go back to the site the captcha will be different

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:11:54 pm
content: It seems to be staying for now, but you are probably right it will say "expired" when I try to submit it later...

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:16:59 pm
content: I see a 6 in your picture, but the others

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:19:50 pm
content: I appreciate that you like a good challenge!!! Thanks!!!!

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:20:31 pm
content: I had a situation like this once that I solved using a screencap and OCR under linux. I forget what program I used but there are a bunch of OCR programs that work in CJK languages, screencap, import into OCR, then Google translate?

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:21:59 pm
content: Oh and by the way, half size numerals = half width numerals or better: the way we use them, so just 1234 should do.

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:24:39 pm
content: I tried a couple of image translation sites; no luck.Quote from: PA0PBZ on July 12, 2017, 07:21:59 pmI'm not following - what is a half width numeral?

author: Andy Watson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:26:43 pm
content: Nightmare - Roman text captchas are bad enough.I would guess that half size numerals mean lowercase - this is usual for captchas (I found that out the hard way!).Assuming that they must be individual characters that can be typed on a keyboard - does this help:https://www.branah.com/japanese

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:36:47 pm
content: Quote from: alank2 on July 12, 2017, 07:24:39 pmThat is what we type if I understand it correctly, so use 1234 or 4731 or whatever the original captcha shows.

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:38:03 pm
content: half-size are normal ASCII numerals. Seehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-width_kanait looks like you only need the numerals from 0 to 9 (larger values are different).PA0PBZ: the image you posted are the kana forpronouncingthe numbers. They would not be written that way.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:42:50 pm
content: Quote from: helius on July 12, 2017, 07:38:03 pmMaybe not, but they look similar to what is in the captchaIf you look at the example they give for 1 2 3 4 I can find these in the image I posted.

author: Nusa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 07:50:11 pm
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on July 12, 2017, 07:42:50 pmCorrect, the captcha seems to be using phonetic spelling, at least in part. I don't know the first bit, but I clearly see "roku" and "zero" (6 and 0).It's been over 40 years since I was in Japan, and I had only a basic knowledge of the language even then.

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:04:27 pm
content: It seems they are using both katakana and hiragana, studied them loooong agoichi roku roku zero1 6 6 0

author: Ton
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:09:36 pm
content: You almost got it right PA0PBZ ans MAster tech got it in oneYou wrote it like japanese normaly write it using Hiragana, but some of the capcha is Katakana, to make it less machine readabelsee atatched table

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:11:39 pm
content: It gave an error, probably expired.new one:

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:13:41 pm
content: 8993Use this table together with the other one abovehttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Table_katakana.svg

author: CaptainNomihodai
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:14:48 pm
content: 8660Edit: didn't see the new one, 8993 is right

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:20:54 pm
content: I tried 8660...Another new one:thanks everyone!!

author: CaptainNomihodai
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:23:59 pm
content: 1314

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:27:24 pm
content: I appreciate the help, it came up with an error which translates to:? not post of alphanumeric characters only is accepted.I should be clicking the LEFT button, right?Another:

author: Ton
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:34:26 pm
content: 8111left button send right button cancel

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:35:41 pm
content: It responds with:translate:? not post of alphanumeric characters only is accepted.

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:37:37 pm
content: Here is the response--ideas?

author: CaptainNomihodai
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:39:39 pm
content: Quote from: alank2 on July 12, 2017, 08:35:41 pmI'm guessing it expects a Japanese character encoding or something?You may have to set up IME (if on Windows).

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:40:21 pm
content: I put some Japanese chars in my text - will that help maybe?New capcha:

author: CaptainNomihodai
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:43:14 pm
content: 4059

author: Ton
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:43:29 pm
content: 4059but as already mentioned Japanese IME versions can vrite numbers in 2 different ways (slightly different size)

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:45:04 pm
content: Thank you guys!! I believe it accepted it. You guys are awesome!! I'm checking with a site that used to make pcb's for retro computers to see if they have a ram/rom/fdd emulator.

author: metrologist
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:48:03 pm
content: isn't it supposed to be two byte characters?

author: Ton
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:53:46 pm
content: Glad we could helpaccording to original Japanese text it should be Roman numbers, so standard ASCII,but since it some times didn't work, maybe we ran into some kind of time out in the translation process.Hope you find what you are looking for, my experience with Japanese is that they often read and write a reasonable English but seldom speaks English.

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 08:56:48 pm
content: Quote from: metrologist on July 12, 2017, 08:48:03 pmThere are thousands of Kanji and other CJK characters, which requires multibyte encodings. But there are multiple incompatible coding standards, including Shift-JIS, ISO-2022, UCS-2, or UTF-8. In this case, the web page expects only ASCII numerals from 0 to 9 (the "half-width" characters).There are multibyte encodings of "full-width" 0 to 9, which would be outside the ASCII repertoire. Probably it is more work to accept those in a web form (the client and server must agree on an encoding). Viewing Japanese web sites often requires the text encoding to be fixed manually, so I take it this is still a problem.

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2017, 09:17:58 pm
content: Quote from: Ton on July 12, 2017, 08:53:46 pmI hope they respond, or I'll have to try to translate my English question into Japanese and resubmit that - if that happens I'll be asking in this thread for help with the capcha again.

author: squadchannel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2024, 02:44:06 pm
content: I remember seeing those type of recaptcha quite often until about 10 years ago, and I remember how hard it was to type when I was 5-6 years old and hadn't even learned hiragana.