One product was on a Kickstarter campaign, another equivalen no. Which is legit? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: thexeno
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2023, 06:50:23 pm
content: Hi,I heard about a commercial device started on a Kickstarted campaign, called Witty.https://wittypower.com/https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wittypower/witty-takes-care-of-your-smartphone-batteryAnd it reminded me another device I saw, Chargie:https://chargie.org/I know the first claim a patent on the idea. Now I had an intrusive thought: anyone can expect some kind of legal issues in those two products? How one product can exist if another has a patent?Thanks

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2023, 06:56:09 pm
content: Patents don't really do anything to stop other products from existing, they only allow the company that has the patent to sue another that violates it, which is a very expensive process.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2023, 07:54:42 pm
content: I went to both sites and both have no useful information on the first page. Just a lot of blank space. I just assume both products are useless garbage.Also, KS page starts with a picture that says "now live on indiegogo". Also, support for Blackberry and Windows Phone is something cheap junk on Aliexpress does because they have not updated their graphics in ages.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2023, 08:33:24 pm
content: The first product - witty - simply monitors the current and once it falls to a set figure it assumes the phone (or whatever) is at 100%, so disconnects. Better than nothing for dumb charging circuits, but the battery is still being driven to 100% (or higher).The second product - chargie - works differently. There is an app which monitors the battery state and which talks to the chargie dongle. There is no direct current measurement, so any patent along those lines wouldn't be troubling (I haven't look at any patents for these so don't know what they actually are). To me, chargie is much better since it can cut off the charger at, say, 90%. I have a battery app which notifies me when the battery is charged to some user-defined figure and then I unplug it. But, obviously, I'm not going to if I'm asleep or absent.The witty product I would yawn and say "whatever", but I would actually buy the chargie since it would achieve automatically what I try to do manually.Regarding patents in general, they are really only worthwhile to be able to say the product is patented. Many patents don't actually cover the significant feature of a device but some side thing, but even if it was perfectly written and filed, it only allows you to spend lots of money suing someone with the hope that a) they will stop ripping you off, and b) pay you some wonga in compensation. No-one will turn up at their shop and confiscate their goods, lock them up or fine them for you. You have to fund that yourself. For a big company that's perfectly doable (and sometimes worth doing even when they don't have a leg to stand on, just to put the fear of God into whatever minnow they want to destroy), but for a one-man band it is pretty onerous, expensive and without a guarantee of success.

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2023, 08:55:40 pm
content: I have zero faith in patents. They seem to be merely a way to give lawyers money.However, some investors think they protect their investment and the presence of patents may encourage them to invest.They don't, of course. For most products it would cost far more to defend the patent than the investor was worth.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2023, 09:05:47 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on January 28, 2023, 06:56:09 pmNo. Patents exist to allow knowledge of processes to spread, rather than by being kept secret. The quid pro quo is that the inventor is paid a reasonable price.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2023, 09:10:15 pm
content: Quote from: artag on January 29, 2023, 08:55:40 pmHardware are often used to prevent someone else from stopping you from doing something.Large companies often exchange patent portfolios, thus allowing them both to get on with business without fear of being sued.

author: Doctorandus_P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2023, 01:32:16 pm
content: A decent phone would simply disconnect the battery from the charging circuit and switch to using power from the charger for itself, so the battery is completely undisturbed during the rest of the night.When the battery of my phone dies, I put a CNC machine to it's back, tear out that sack and put in a bunch of 18650's with hot snot. But at the moment it's still decent and running for 5 to 7 years or so.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2023, 04:48:08 pm
content: QuoteBlimey! Just how big is your phone? Are we talking satchel-size rather than pocketable?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 11, 2023, 09:44:31 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on January 28, 2023, 06:56:09 pmYes, well it sure is all just deterrence. If you violate some patent, not only do you run the risk of getting sued, but you also can't yourself patent the same thing. A company just trying to make easy cash may not care, but if it has any long-term view or if it's a startup (the value of which often entirely depends on its portfolio of patents), then patents are a good deterrent.