Impressive oscilloscope from China Electronic Technology Group Corporation - Page 1
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author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 12:46:42 pm
content: OSCILLOSCOPE WITH IMPRESSIVE SPECS:I wanted to share more details about an impressive oscilloscope which I discovered recently.The company behind this oscilloscope is a subsidiary of a very big state owned company in China which is active in the military industry.According to the provided PowerPoint presentation they have big customers such as Huawei.AV4456D Digital Phosphor Oscilloscope with 4 channels, 500MHz bandwidth and 5GSa/s sampling rate:Product sheet about the AV4456D oscilloscope - Very impressive specs!https://23w6s43f0vs74fjkgh15m3j2-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/AV4456Dbrief.pdfVideo presentation about the AV4456D oscilloscope:http://player.youku.com/embed/XMzA1NjkyODQ2MA==Product details:http://en.ceyear.com/product/detail-4617.htmlPurchase guide:http://upload-en.ceyear.com:8028//upload/201912/19/201912191419157068.pdfUser manual:http://upload-en.ceyear.com:8028//upload/201912/19/201912191418097537.pdfORDER DETAILS:AV4456D digital fluorescence oscilloscope on Global Sources:https://www.globalsources.com/si/AS/China-Electronics/6008835620223/pdtl/Digital-Fluorescence-Oscilloscope/1170656465.htm4456 Series Digital Phosphor Oscilloscope on Alibaba:https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Ceyear-4456-series-Digital-Phosphor-Oscilloscope_60604490832.htmlCOMPANY INTRODUCTION:Brief Introduction of China Electronics Technology Instruments:PowerPoint Presentation about the company - They seem to have big customers like Huawei!http://www.militram.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/1.-Ceyear-Introduction_PPT_re_opt.pdfCompany profile of China Electronic Technology Instruments (CETI):http://en.ceyear.com/about/Company profile of China Electronic Technology Group Corporation (CETC):http://en.cetc.com.cn/enzgdzkj/about_us/introduction29/index.htmlMember units of China Electronic Technology Group Corporation (CETC):http://en.cetc.com.cn/enzgdzkj/about_us/member_units/index.htmlFortune 500 ranking of China Electronics Technology Group:https://fortune.com/global500/2019/china-electronics-technology-group/OTHER PRODUCTS:1464 Series Signal Generator:4051 Series Spectrum Analyzer:PARTICIPATION IN TRADE FAIRS:Participation in ConnecTechAsia 2019:https://exhibitors.informamarkets-info.com/ConnecTechAsia2019/en-US/exhibitor/182045/china-electronics-technology-instruments-co-ltdCeyear Electronic Measurement Conference Grandly Held in Qingdao:https://mcs-testequipment.com/news/ceyear-electronic-measurement-conference-grandly-held-in-qingdaoCOMPANY PROFILE ON OTHER SITES:Company profile on Alibaba:https://ei-electro.en.alibaba.com/company_profile.html?spm=a2700.8304367.topnav.11.7529790fvKO3XrCompany profile on Made in China:https://ceyear.en.made-in-china.com/company-China-Electronics-Technology-Instruments-Co-Ltd-.htmlCompany profile on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/company/ceyear-china-electronics-technology-instrument-co-ltd/about/

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 12:52:29 pm
content: Is it a paid plublicity of the scope lolll

author: delfinom
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 12:56:23 pm
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on July 11, 2020, 12:52:29 pmYea the OP strangely made the post look like hardcore shilling...I would also argue that at $10k a unit...the specs are not so impressive....

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 12:58:04 pm
content: The op has been like this for years in this forum, trying hard to get a freebie.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 01:05:21 pm
content: I think I've spotted a slight design problem.https://youtu.be/P69Myqe90e8?t=190

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 01:27:45 pm
content: Quote from: StillTrying on July 11, 2020, 01:05:21 pmI think that's called a backward somersault dismount.

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 01:35:31 pm
content: For that price you’d have to be a nutjob to buy it when you can have a splendid 1GHz R&S

author: cliffyk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 02:56:32 pm
content: Quote from: delfinom on July 11, 2020, 12:56:23 pmYes, and it would have to be a VERY cold day "down there" before I'd send $10k off toAlibabaorGlobalsourcesfor anything that didn't have soft lips...

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 03:02:05 pm
content: Apply the "All Chineses specifications shall be divided by 2" rule of thumb and see if that scope specs are still impressive.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 04:27:18 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on July 11, 2020, 01:49:30 pmGo near the right PLA run sites in China and you'll see lots of shady looking Middle Eastern people wandering around. No doubt many are paying really high prices for technology Western countries won't sell them.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 04:49:05 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on July 11, 2020, 04:32:42 pmThe people I was referring to are buyers visiting in an endless stream. Not people living in China.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 05:08:53 pm
content: I actually tried that scope on Munich Messe 2 years ago. It was quite impressive, and specs are not fake. But they had zero interest to exporting it at prices that would make it attractive.. Seems that domestic market was enough for them. I had some contact with some Russian companies that had same mentality. Why put additional effort, to make more money when we are making enough already to live comfortably.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 05:18:20 pm
content: First thought when saw the starter-post:Oh, a tek clone...

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 05:18:51 pm
content: Quote from: delfinom on July 11, 2020, 12:56:23 pmRigol MSO5354 8GSa/s is only $2K, what kind of madness is that? impressive? yes, impressively expensive. certainly paid advert according to my BS detector.Quote from: blueskull on July 11, 2020, 01:49:30 pm500MHz is hardly of any value in NATO's world. and why NATO? not surprising as China already do its trouble to many countries including neighboors <politics sneak in turned off> the dragon can wake but lest not forget the dragon hunters.

author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 05:25:21 pm
content: I would not underestimate the China Electronic Technology Group Corporation.Hikvision, the world’s leading supplier of video surveillance products and solutions, is a subsidiary of themhttp://en.cetc.com.cn/enzgdzkj/about_us/listed_company/408431/index.html

author: delfinom
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 05:47:07 pm
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on July 11, 2020, 05:25:21 pmYea uh, Hikvision is the leading supplier because they are quite cheap but good so they hit the sweet spot. But that's all they got going for em. There's plenty of higher end surveillance products that are far more popular when the need arises. On that note, I haven't seen one Hikvision deployment where the IT guys haven't put them behind VLANs and strict firewall rules due to security concerns...about the cameras themselves being maliciousAlso their sweet spot with the cameras is real, this oscilloscope is a joke in comparison.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 05:59:35 pm
content: Perhaps this manufacturer will send a sample to Dave Jones for an EEVBlog teardown and review?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 07:26:10 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on July 11, 2020, 05:08:53 pmSeems in italy you could get it:https://aviatronik.it/product-category/catalog/oscilloscope/And in the U.S. :https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ceyear-AV4456D-500MHz-4CH-Oscilloscope-w-DVM-Protocol-and-Function-gen-/192391159471

author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 07:59:29 pm
content: It should be noted that the oscilloscope also comes in a 1 GHz version, for the people who think 500 MHz is underperforming.The pricing is most likely not accurate, and I am positive that the actual unit can be acquired at a realistic and competitive market price.

author: 0culus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 08:25:45 pm
content: How much are they paying you, OP?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 08:28:41 pm
content: For most of the hobbyists the price are much to high.For companies the question would be: And what about the service..We bought a lecroy waverunner 9054 (500Mhz, 20GSa/s) with some options included for 12899€ last year directly from lecroy.I see no advantage in betting on an "unknown" brand with unknown support.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 08:51:00 pm
content: Quote from: 0culus on July 11, 2020, 08:25:45 pmNahh, relax. These scopes have been discussed several time before. They look mighty interesting based on the specs and I'd like to take one through its pases to see what is what but they are not for sale on the market outside China. In the end its just meh.

author: cliffyk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 09:06:14 pm
content: Quote from: 0culus on July 11, 2020, 08:25:45 pmYup, definitely an "advertorial"--probably got one for free...