Apollo Program: Saturn V 16MM Launch Views - Page 1
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author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2015, 08:05:37 pm
content: Thanks for the post.Sweet reminderwhenonce upon a time, we can and we did. Nowadays, we have to ask others for a ride and Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told NASA "to take a flying leap ... on a trampoline."http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/trampoline-space-russian-official-tells-nasa-take-flying-leap-n92616Well, I suppose when NASA's foremost task is Muslim outreach, making rockets doesn't seem so important anymore.http://www.space.com/8725-nasa-chief-bolden-muslim-remark-al-jazeera-stir.htmlOnce upon a time, we could and we did. Now, we say "buddy, can you spare a ride?" What is NASA's core competence today I wonder.Sweet reminder that leave a bittersweet after-taste...

author: eas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2015, 12:28:26 am
content: Our space partnership with Russia was in no small part an effort to help provide domestic and global security in the wake of the collapse of the soviet union by giving the russian space/defense sector something worthwhile to do and lessen the chance that their skills and equipment ended up being sold off to the highest (or most well connected) bidder. Hard to gauge how successful it was, and it will be decades before a halfway decent assessment can be made (publicly, at least).It seems to me though that the strategy has paid off. The obvious result has been preserving the sector for Putin and his cronies. Not an ideal outcome, but Putin's interests are largely aligned with preserving the traditional nation state and some sphere of influence, and so can be held in check by traditional military deterrence. India, Pakistan and North Korea did end up going nuclear. Not sure how much of that can be traced to Russia though.As for nostalgia, does that extend to the corporate and individual tax rates of the era? How about Jim Crow? Poll taxes? The huge plume of contaminated groundwater leaking out of the hanford WA nuclear facility into one of america's great rivers? How about career opportunities for women? What do you think about progress in the life sciences? Mind-blowing, don't you think?The good old days? Lies and omissions about the past, used to justify the present and/or try and and control the future. I appreciate the past, I'm cautious about romanticizing it.

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2015, 02:20:01 am
content: Quote from: eas on July 31, 2015, 12:28:26 amI couldn't care less what Putin's intention in Europe is - that has nothing to do with space rockets or Saturn V. So, while this "cooperation strategy" paid off for him nicely, it is not to our advantage nor does it advance our ability.Quote from: eas on July 31, 2015, 12:28:26 amMy (or our) nostalgia triggered by Saturn V is about how we did reach the moon then, and we now we don't even have adequate lift ability to serve ourselves with this so call space station.None of the above has anything to do with rocket, space, or heavy lifting rockets. So, good or bad, those other stuff you cited are irrelevant is-so-far as this thread is concern.