Debunking Musk - TED talk 2022. - Page 1
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author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2022, 06:00:47 am
content: Part 1 of 4:Enjoy.

author: BrianHG
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timestamp: May 24, 2022, 01:09:55 am
content: Part #2:

author: BrianHG
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timestamp: June 06, 2022, 01:12:11 am
content: Part 3 of 4:

author: abquke
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timestamp: June 06, 2022, 01:25:41 am
content: OP mysteriously disappears before part 4 is up...

author: robca
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timestamp: June 07, 2022, 06:41:08 pm
content: Quote from: abquke on June 06, 2022, 01:25:41 amMusk briefly stopped tweeting obsessively about Twitter and sending emails about remote work cheats, and sent his goons after the OP.

author: BrianHG
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timestamp: July 12, 2022, 05:28:36 am
content: Part 4 of 4:

author: PartialDischarge
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timestamp: July 12, 2022, 05:31:47 am
content: Ted Talk? I though Ted Talks were persons talking about a particular topic to an audience, this is a documentary

author: El Rubio
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timestamp: July 23, 2022, 01:27:47 pm
content: I wish I had “goons”.

author: BrianHG
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timestamp: August 04, 2022, 08:08:44 pm
content: Now for the finale:

author: racemaniac
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 09:03:56 am
content: What is this bullshit? A 'TED talk' that obviously isn't one. I wouldn't be surprised if the videos get taken down just for using the TED talk name without permission. And now a 5th video where the previous videos indicated it would be a 4 video series...I haven't watched a single second of these videos yet, and i'm not inclined to do so if they can't even properly name the videos, or count to 5 O_o....

author: pcprogrammer
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 09:16:03 am
content: In the first video of the series they state that the interviewer is Chris Anderson and that he is the curator of this website:https://www.ted.com/It also explains that TED stands for Technology, Entertainment, Design.But the videos are quite lengthy and I'm not going to watch them. Already made up my mind about Mr. Musk.

author: wraper
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 09:35:36 am
content: Not a TED talk, author couldn't even get this without being misleading. And coming from a parasite riding on a Musk hype train in almost every video he ever released. How can you possibly do a reasonable or common sense (pun intended) thing when the only thing you do is "debunking" Musk on a weekly basis for 2 years. Did not watch these, but a few of his videos which I did were of a very low quality filled with nonsense, absurd conclusions and bunch of false information.

author: pcprogrammer
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 10:04:57 am
content: The youtube comments below part four praise the hell out of itQuoteQuote

author: wraper
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 10:50:46 am
content: Watched a bit of it. A level of information such as rambling about every single thing Musk said. Hence the total length of 5 videos sucked out of a single interview. Musk funds X-prize for carbon capture - Sceptic: we already have trees which work the best! Some shocking news for him, they work the best, but not good enough to deal with all of the emissions.

author: pcprogrammer
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 11:00:13 am
content: Quote from: wraper on August 07, 2022, 10:50:46 amThat is because we chopped most of them down and growing a new one takes ages

author: wraper
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 11:05:07 am
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 07, 2022, 11:00:13 amEven if we did not chop them, it still would not be enough. Frankly it's so dumb to lambast this incentive.https://www.xprize.org/prizes/elonmuskQuote

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 11:30:26 am
content: I don't know enough about the whole CO2 thing, but I would like to see a, to the micro gram precise (if possible), specification of where it all comes from.And with that I mean a list of sources including biological organisms like animals (humans are animals too), plants, bacteria, etc and also things like industry, cars, our homes, etc.This to see how we as humans are actually contributing to the total amount that is present in the air at the moment, and I would also like to know if it is the actual sole cause of the climate change.I have tried googling what the actual CO2 emission is of a single human just from eating, pooping and breathing, but I got nothing.

author: pcprogrammer
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 11:43:03 am
content: Quote from: wraper on August 07, 2022, 11:05:07 amI meant over a very long time. If none of the trees were chopped there would not be space for farming, industry and our homes. The planet would most likely still be healthy though

author: dietert1
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 11:46:51 am
content: This isn't about micrograms but about millions of tons. Very educative to calculate the airspace taken way by 1 ton of CO2 at atmospheric pressure.And we all know that earth and its biosphere takes aways roughly half of the total CO2 emissions. The other half has been accumulating in the atmosphere and it won't go away for millions of years. Before it goes away, the water of the oceans will go away as vapor and then what.Regards, Dieter

author: pcprogrammer
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 11:58:35 am
content: That is the total sum of it all. But we are spoon fed that CO2 is the root of all our problems and we need to move away from fossil fuels to become CO2 neutral. Zero emission is also used in a lot of publications, and I feel that we are being misled, because we also emit CO2 ourselves.The question is how much CO2 is produced by 8 billion humans just by eating and pooping?The current ppm reading is, I believe, between 400 and 500. How this relates to tons, I don't know. How it affects the climate I don't know either.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 12:16:14 pm
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 07, 2022, 11:58:35 amHumanity creates a large part of total CO2, and is the root cause. As minimum a very large part of it. The problem should be dealt both ways, reducing emissions and removing it from atmosphere.Quote"Zero emission" is applied to particular things, not humanity as a whole. Of course there will be no zero emission at all but net zero emission is possible (removing as much as was emitted).

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 12:27:34 pm
content: If I was a mod I'd probably just lock this thread. Looks to me like a mix of FUD and ramblings.Probably part of a smear campaign by some industry that stands to lose money from electric cars.Don't get me wrong, Musk is by no means perfect, but on balance he is doing a lot of good.The move to electric cars is a positive one. It doesn't matter if sometimes they are recharged using coal power plants, that won't always be the case. It's the move to electric and away from fossil fuels that is important.Tesla and SpaceX are also good examples to show how much more progress happens when companies are run by the engineers and not by managers or people with business degrees.

author: pcprogrammer
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 12:48:07 pm
content: Quote from: Psi on August 07, 2022, 12:27:34 pmBe that as it may, it is not the solution to a far bigger problem. For electric cars we still need to plunder mother earth. Lithium is the next fossil fuel, and if not lithium it will be cobalt, etc. None of this stuff is in endless supply. And it is not just CO2 that poisons our atmosphere. Think of al the other shit that is released during production of all the goods we consume.Until scientists find a way to make all the needed elements from thin air, without any form of pollution, we will run into the same kind of problems over and over again.

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: August 07, 2022, 07:17:33 pm
content: We devise a lot of fancy models, none of which are remotely accurate. Climate is a VERY very complex matter.The main issue is that we know (by observation) how things tend to "naturally" balance themselves, but we have no fricking clue how to reproduce this balancing technically, even though many claim otherwise. Heck, we don't even really know what a proper balance means. Things have gone really bad climate-wise in the past. The Earth is still there and life on it is still abundant. Does that count for things getting balanced over time in a "natural" way? And at what point do we consider things are OK and not OK? Who gets to decide? (Hint: for instance, just because some temporary climate situation does not please us humans does not mean that it is "bad".) By unilaterally determining the rules of what is right and what isn't, we are not doing any better than when we release huge amounts of pollutants. It's just two faces of the same coin. Just my humble 2 cents though, probably not a popular idea.Depleting "non-renewable" resources (by that we usually mean, resources that don't get renewed in a time scale compatible with our own human time scale) is one thing, pollution is yet another. We could have found ways of using only renewable resources while stilling emitting a lot of CO2 and otherwise pollutants.In other words, I'm not denying we have been abusive with our environment. We sure have. But I unfortunately think that we are mostly clueless as to how to make things better (short of stopping everything right now, which we can't), and that most of the solutions we come up with are every bit as bad as what led us to this situation in the first place. The same causes, the same consequences.

author: dietert1
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 10:14:28 pm
content: The facts were known for at least 30 or 40 years and there are enough well written documents available online for anybody to know what is going on. The idea that we don't know what is going on is fantasy. Musk is one of those dreamers. No serious person will ever claim that humans will be able to put the carbon back to where it was 200 years ago. Electrical cars don't put the carbon back to where it was.The average carbon dioxide footprint in western countries is roughly 2 or 3 times as high compared to e.g. India. That means the western model is destructive and needs to change, while many others don't have to change.Regards, Dieter

author: BrianHG
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timestamp: August 08, 2022, 04:05:35 am
content: Quote from: racemaniac on August 07, 2022, 09:03:56 amIt is not that these videos are a Ted Talk. The videos are about debunking what Elon Musk said recently during his 2020 Ted Talk interview....

author: racemaniac
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 06:46:35 am
content: Quote from: BrianHG on August 08, 2022, 04:05:35 amYou can't tell me they didn't make the title that ambiguous on purpose.If it says "Debunking Musk - Ted talk 2022", everyone reads that as the video being a TED Talk held in 2022 about debunking Musk.They could have simply named it 'Debunking Musk's 2022 Ted talk interview", and everyone would have known what the video was about -_-...If you have to watch the video to understand what the title means... it's a terrible (clickbait) title..

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2022, 05:16:34 am
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 07, 2022, 12:48:07 pmYep, but we don't have to solve all problems all at once.If we panic and be all "doom&gloom" then nothing gets done. It's much better to just solve one problem at a time.Once most cars run on electricity it's extremely easy for manufacturers to pivot to any newer/better/greener energy storage system that appears. It's just a black box that produces electricity and next years model of car can use it.But, getting everyone away from burning fossil fuels takes a long time since it requires a massive amount of infrastructure changes. If we can take care of the massive infrastructure change to electric now then we will be in a much better position later when newer/greener storage tech appears.