John Deere riding mowers discriminate against skinny people - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2022, 02:27:30 am
content: you spend all your time finding random videos of girls on youtube?

author: Ed.Kloonk
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timestamp: November 03, 2022, 03:32:14 am
content: Quote from: langwadt on November 03, 2022, 02:27:30 amYou must be new here.

author: RJSV
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timestamp: November 06, 2022, 03:35:11 am
content: That's it !!!I'm watching that VID, 5 times, already. AND, I told myself ------{{(( SPOILER ALERT))}}---- "If she rides off on that thing...I'm really gonna scream".Got anymore pics / vids, of that petite fox (must be 18 of course).

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: November 06, 2022, 04:09:57 am
content: Why not!

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 05:24:33 am
content: I showed that video to a Chinese friend of mine, she didn't like how John Deere wouldn't think about the skinny people. (She has a BMI of 20.5 yet she thinks she's fat, go figure...) Then I told her that nobody should buy John Deere given their bad ethics (providing a link to explain the situation), she really agreed with me that they're a horrible company ripping off customers with unnecessarily expensive repairs.Quote from: langwadt on November 03, 2022, 02:27:30 amHow is a Canadian comedian a "random girl"?Quote from: RJHayward on November 06, 2022, 03:35:11 amHint: just mouse over the avatar on the upper left corner of the video and you'll find a link to the creator's other videos.https://www.youtube.com/c/PiperBlush/videos

author: Circlotron
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timestamp: November 06, 2022, 05:33:00 am
content: It would stop most children taking the mower for an unauthorized spin.

author: tszaboo
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timestamp: November 06, 2022, 08:37:01 am
content: If you fly with a glider, you need to be a certain weight otherwise the balance of the plane is wrong and it doesn't fly right.I guess they are also thin-phobic.BTW you just put some sandbags in the cockpit when you fly. But throwing a tantrum on tiktok gets you followers.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 01:23:19 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on November 06, 2022, 05:33:00 amCould set the threshold at 85lbs, I have yet to meet any adult who weighs less than that but even in the US (with the infamous high obesity rate), it's not that difficult to find someone who weighs less than 120lbs.Also, such a high threshold would give younger teens a legitimate reason to not mow the lawn.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 01:53:39 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on November 06, 2022, 05:33:00 amNot the two kids across the street from me.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 08:10:48 pm
content: Well, given the % of overweight people in the US in particuar, but increasingly in western countries in general, I wouldn't be too surprised if more and more companies were shifting their targets to this market for anything for which weight matters. It's just a question of market. So, that may have something to do with it here.While I find this trend pretty concerning health-wise, this is just how things are at the moment, and overweight people themselves were probably feeling discriminated against a lot more in the past. Now markets are adapting to the numbers.As to kids/teens, you'd also be surprised at how much a significant fraction of them weigh in some countries these days.There definitely are many 10-year old kiddos that currently weigh more than I do.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 08:18:19 pm
content: I'm disappointed. They should have designed it, to cope with a wide enough range of user weights, to suit, almost all, possible customers/users.E.g. By making it user adjustable (but still child-safe, but hiding the adjustment away (under the seat, or similar), and needing a special spanner or similar, to adjust/change it).Alternatively, if they must, at least make it dealer adjustable.Groups of people, should almost never be excluded like that.It is like buying a car, which refuses to start the engine, or let the driver, drive the car. Because they are too underweight, despite being a perfectly normal (slim) adult.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 08:28:12 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on November 06, 2022, 08:18:19 pmOr cars that refuse to budge because the groceries aren't wearing their seatbelt.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 09:24:05 pm
content: Maybe John Deere are recording your weight and selling this data to your health insurer, who then won’t cover you despite accepting your payments.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 09:27:03 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 06, 2022, 08:10:48 pmThat was in Canada, not the US.QuoteHow would a 85lb threshold prevent a 250lb person from using the mower?

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 10:13:33 pm
content: NihaoMike: You're asking ' how is 85 lb minimum going to discriminate, against overweight folks?'I think it's when people point, stare or make jokes, about some obese stranger, over there.I 'accidently' glanced, at my Doctor's female 'belly', it's only natural but...BAD MOVE...although doctor's get enough stress, in modern life, to merit a ' weight increase'.

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 10:19:10 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on November 06, 2022, 09:27:03 pmWho knows? Only Deere does.Those safety interlocks are gettingsmartermore frustrating all the time. My Case tractor only has a weight on seat sensor. My skid steer has both seat belt and WOS sensor. But, if I connect the belt just across the seat (i.e., behind me), then it still won't work with me in the seat. So, it apparently needs a certain amount of extension to work. Neither implement was made in the past 10 years.85# does seem a bit high as a low limit, but maybe JD is worried that a 250# person could virtually stand up and still leave 85# of residual weight from his/her big behind. With my tractor, I have learned how much I can stand up without making the engine cut off. I am nowhere near even 200#. When you are actually using a tractor or skid steer, you sometimes need to get up a little to see what's happening. My excavator (circa 2001) has neither sensor and is a joy to use. I can get up for a better view. When I get off, I usually disable the hydraulics so an accidental bump will not create a problem. I can then activate the hydraulics standing on the ground/tread if I want to tweak something.

author: DavidAlfa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 10:32:38 pm
content: She said she was everywhere. But days have passed and nowhere to be found.So much effort, a whole week of daily exercising, bathing, shaving and wearing nice clothes for nothing.I want my money back!

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 11:06:11 pm
content: My ride on mower (not john deere)hashad a kill switch on the seat. Plain old earth-to-spark. The mower shop guy had disconnected it before I even picked it up. He's sick and tired of the bullshit they cause when the motor won't start.The main reason for the kill switch is because peeps hop off the mower while the blades are still turning. If you disengage the blades when dismounting, it's fine. Blades can still turn in the case of mower that needs a service. There is usually a auto brake, usually pushes on the pulley above the cutters.

author: John B
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 11:13:21 pm
content: Thank you for keeping us abreast of the situation. The information presented has been most titillating.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 11:13:57 pm
content: Quote from: John B on November 06, 2022, 11:13:21 pmA couple of pointers.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2022, 11:23:44 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on November 06, 2022, 09:27:03 pmI expressly mentioned that it was not just the US. Canada is barely lower in % for overweight people.Quote from: NiHaoMike on November 06, 2022, 09:27:03 pmI have no clue. Mowers are not my area. But from a general engineering POV, increasing your operating ranges most often comes with more expensive and more complex designs. So if you want to support higher weights, it doesn't sound that strange to me in general (again have never designed anything like a mower) that shifting the specified operating weight higher rather than extending the range would be easier to do.And in the end, just ask them. This is just an hypothesis there, and again this choice probably doesn't harm their business much, otherwise they would have done differently. In other words, the market of skinny people these days is so small that it's probably worthwhile for a company to just ignore it. Just the way things are. As I said, these days in many countries, even teens or kids can weigh more than a skinny adult.

author: Circlotron
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timestamp: November 07, 2022, 08:11:05 pm
content: Just self-identify as whatever weight you need to be.Problem solved.

author: DavidAlfa
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timestamp: November 07, 2022, 08:40:04 pm
content: Are you gonna keep talking about John Deere and shredded dudes with bear-sized hands?Really? Just, why?

author: jpanhalt
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timestamp: November 07, 2022, 09:48:17 pm
content: Parting comments:Actual commercial implements with all sort of interlocks usually have a service-mode option. In my skid steer it is supposed to be a switch hidden above the headline. I haven't found it, yet. ):A garden tractor may not have that option, but if the subject of this thread is mowing your lawn, not exploring new turf, it might be worth getting the service manual. (For the mower, of course. I suspect Ms. Paper Blush's service manual is too big to try downloading.)

author: NiHaoMike
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timestamp: November 08, 2022, 02:29:28 pm
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on November 07, 2022, 09:48:17 pmThere's a conspiracy theory that Piper Blush is a cyborg. I suspect that has to do with her cosplaying a cyborg once as well as her referencing herself as a "robot" in one of her old videos. I see no reason to believe she actually is a cyborg.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2022, 04:01:07 pm
content: (Mike):Exactly my thoughts! I went to post this 1/2 hr after yours, and did that 'FREEZE: Hand poised to click on reply, mouth agape..."Oh,...NaoMike just posted, on the Blush-Bot theory.,"Maybe that type of duplication, into look-alikes, might become a popular form of VANITY ?"My DupeBot makes $200/hr, on the fashion runway scene"

author: tszaboo
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timestamp: November 08, 2022, 04:45:10 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on November 07, 2022, 08:11:05 pmUsed a chainsaw, that was discriminating against weak people.And I've been in a store, that was discriminating against people who had insufficient height to reach the top shelf.What a world we live in?Since this has nothing to do with electronics, can we close topic?

author: Zero999
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timestamp: November 08, 2022, 05:14:45 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on November 06, 2022, 05:24:33 amThat's women for you, but BMI is just a rule of thumb: some people carry the weight differently than others. Asians tend to be smaller, look better at lower BMIs and suffer from weight issues at lower BMIs. People tell my I'm slim, yet my BMI is just under 24 and I'm told I'm way too thin at a BMI of 20.QuoteI don't know how they ever got away with it. If any manufacturer did that to me, I'd never buy from them again.

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2022, 05:06:06 pm
content: Body-Mass-Index has never been proven to be an accurate health indicator. It's simply a figure that can be calculated by anyone with a scale and a yardstick, and follows the lamppost analogy.*The clinically relevant measurement for body composition (obesity) is done by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry.* A man walks outside a bar, and sees an inebriated patron, on his hands and knees, crawling around a lamp post. The walker bends down to see if the drunk needs any help.—Did you lose something?—I'm trying to find my keys.—You think you lost them here?—Oh no, I lost them across the street. But the light is better here.

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2022, 06:26:54 pm
content: Or, just throw them in a freshwater pool and see whether they float. Archimedes discovered that. You could quantitate it by tying weights to them -- small weights, not concrete blocks

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2022, 07:29:34 pm
content: Quote from: helius on November 09, 2022, 05:06:06 pmBMI is a decent enough rule of thumb for large groups of people.It's not just body fat percentage, but where the fat is. Abdominal obesity is the main problem. A woman might have a high BMI due to fat in her breasts and hips, but still slim round the middle, which isn't a problem, health-wise, whilst someone who's just fat round the middle is at much greater risk of obesity related issues.Just looking at the amount of abdominal fat is a fairly good way to tell. The hip-to-waist ratio is a fairly good indicator and much better than BMI. It depends on sex: women generally have larger hips, than men, so what's healthy varies.

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2022, 08:49:35 pm
content: An old rule of thumb is that women get fat on the outside; men get fat on the inside, which is more dangerous cardiovascular wise.

author: tszaboo
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timestamp: November 09, 2022, 10:41:30 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on November 09, 2022, 07:29:34 pmIt's really bad, muscle has like twice the density as fat. Someone who can bench twice his own bodyweight could have the same BMI as someone who cannot get up from the couch. Body fat % is probably a much better indicator.

author: langwadt
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timestamp: November 09, 2022, 11:03:37 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on November 09, 2022, 10:41:30 pmBody fat % will also fail on many athletes, both are indicators that work on "regular people" not on outliers ...

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2022, 11:30:37 pm
content: Is it me or have girls today diminished their need for speed?John Deere oh dear, but your dad knew all about fast girlshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_Duke

author: Ed.Kloonk
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timestamp: November 10, 2022, 02:32:38 am
content: #nofatchicks

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2022, 07:57:34 am
content: Quote from: langwadt on November 09, 2022, 11:03:37 pmAs I said, it's where the fat is which is the problem, not BMI, or body fat percentage.Athletes often have the opposite problem: too little body fat, which can lead to health problems, more so in women. It's the result, energy deficiency i.e. they're not eating enough calories to fuel their body, because they burn most of their intake exercising. It can result in some symptoms of malnutrition: hair falling out, bad joints, low libido, slow healing, irregular absent menstrual cycle, preoccupation with food, even though their BMI is in the normal range and energy intake much higher than the average person. The solution is to increase energy intake and not train as hard, which will improve performance.

author: NiHaoMike
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timestamp: November 10, 2022, 01:57:01 pm
content: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/threads/adjust-seat-sensor-sensitivity.240299/Looks like a common complaint, the real fix is to lower the threshold but that's apparently hard to do so many just end up bypassing it.Quote from: tszaboo on November 08, 2022, 04:45:10 pmMany of the libraries and bookstores I have been to in the past has ladders for accessing high shelves.Quote from: Zero999 on November 08, 2022, 05:14:45 pmQuote from: jpanhalt on November 09, 2022, 06:26:54 pmShe tried to learn swimming and struggled just to stay afloat, has been afraid to try again since. I guess that's a pretty good indication she's skinny?