Electronics products...where are they made/designed? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2021, 10:57:05 am
content: Hi,This concerns electronics product design/manufacture/sale.Is gtech.co.uk owned by Dyson.co.uk?Gtech seems to make the same products as Dyson , but cheaper.Does Gtech get its products and electronics designed and built in China?If the answer is yes, then can you give one good reason why Sir James Dyson shouldnt have started up a "gtech" himself? Surely he should have done this? If he didnt , then why on earth not? It was obvious that somebody somewhere would eventually do it anyway.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2021, 11:36:56 am
content: Quote from: Faringdon on July 17, 2021, 10:57:05 amDamn, and it's not even Sunday yet!Gtech products look very different products to me Treez. They have 'AirRam' etc. The only similarity I see is that they do handhelds and they are bagless. Cyclone technology is old news now.Dodgy Dyson has many competitors these days, or are you really suggesting that he started Gtech, Shark (Hoover?) and other superior brands to compete with his own over-inflated priced products?He patents every tiny bit of plastic anway, as a 'masterly' strategy to foil his competitors.QuoteCreate all of your own competitors, that's a 'novel' solution. What are you smoking today?P.S. If you need any further evidence of your 'misguidedness' I suggest you consult Companies House...https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/companies-houseDid you even bother to go to the Gtech website and look at their company history and products?

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2021, 03:36:06 pm
content: Thanks,I relation to a British friends British lighting company, he is currently setting up a duplicate "version" of his company in China. The China based company will actually become the main design and manufacture centre.His "token" British company will bring forward the introductions to the UK and EU customers (by advertising and going to trade shows etc etc)....he will then gradually transfer most of the customers to his cheaper Chinese products. All of his design and manufacture in future will essentially come from China...but be branded as if it had been done in the UK part of the company.The Chinese "version" of his company will actually be the main company (but it will be "hidden from view"). And he will have the Chinese company directed by an acquaintence........so that his own name will not appear on the list of directors at companies house. In other words, the director will actually be employed by him...but nobody will know this. So the director will just be a "puppet" director. ....Payed a wage with some occasional bonus's.This "Puppeting" had to be done because he would have become unpopular with his British Engineers and Assembly staff if they found out that he was setting up "their" company in China......He couldnt let his staff find out that their British "token " company is now basically just a "shell".......and that their job prospects etc will be near zero....as they will not really be doing anything other than making it look like the products are all British designed and manufactured...which of course they wont be....and of course, if you want to be a sucessful Chinese importer, then you need to have "some" kind of prescence in the UK electronics sector....so you have your "token" British company.The "puppeting" is actually a legally binding agreement, so that the "puppet" director appears to be the real director, but of course, he isnt really......but companies house will think he is....and so too will the rest of the world.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2021, 04:51:13 pm
content: What is your goal with all those "investigations"? What are you trying to prove or achieve here?

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2021, 05:08:10 pm
content: Gtech was started by Nick Grey if his products are any thing related to other brands that would be VAX as he used to work for them.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gtech-founded-by-nick-grey-cleans-up-h909bh5xs

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2021, 06:00:51 pm
content: Thats also right......A company like VAX (purely using VAX as an example here because you mentioned it) could fear that somebody could reverse engineer their entire product range, then get them made in China, then sell them for half the price......and into the bargain, start using the thousands of Electronics Engineers available in China to design further products for the same market...and put VAX out of business...or give it a severe financial hit.....but if say, the owner of VAX did this himself ....then he wins.(in none of the above am i actually referring to VAX, other than as an imaginary example, because it was mentioned)

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2021, 06:35:19 pm
content: Quote from: Faringdon on July 17, 2021, 03:36:06 pmOf course your personal hero Mr Dyson (sorry "Sir James") went the whole hog. A very vocal Brexit proponent, he then did a F*ck you and moved his corporate headquarters to Singapore!He continues to charge 'made in Britain' prices whilst doing everything in China, taking advantage of his carefully nurtured general public's British product perception.Every trick in the book - He even advertised his mains cleaners as 'Zero Carbon Emission' because the post filter captured the dust from the brushes! [Edit: he's still claiming the same for his brushless ones].

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2021, 11:07:22 pm
content: QuoteNot that unusual, is it? Tesco, for instance, have their own brand (Tesco Finest) and have 'secret' budget brands (Boswell Farms, Creamfields, Ms Molly's, etc). They aren't alone, and it's not just supermarkets.Presumably they do this to capture the different price markets, but watching how stuff on the likes of Amazon get priced I think part of it may be to set a benchmark 'luxury' price with the intent of selling the lower-priced stuff at a higher price than if the luxury benchmark didn't exist.Have to say that if Dyson isn't flogging cheap stuff on the sly, he might well be missing a trick (if only to take sales from competitors). Maybe you should take up smoking something

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2021, 12:26:11 am
content: QuoteAnd for at least one product not only is tescos finest range, 2 "secret brands" and the cheapest budget version made in the same factory,but that same factory is doing the same for waitrose, aldi,lidl and asda.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2021, 07:47:35 am
content: Virtually all consumer electronics are now made in China and if not assembled there the components are made there. This is something I have argued against for a long time, giving up the manufacture of basic materials in favor of imports. Everything from resistors to steel is now made elsewhere, mostly China. This means they have total control over us and other countries all they have to do is turn off the tap and what can we do absolutely nothing cannot even go to war as we no longer have the raw materials to make the weapons and it takes years to set up manufacturing and the weapon stockpiles we have will last but a few days so its all out nuclear or get marched over. This is why the navy wants the MOD to purchase the last steel works in the UK, they wont because the bean counter have the upper hand and they are so myoptic that they cannot see beyond the bottom of the page on their balance books. Its now the way of the world all we can do is sit tight until the CCP and PLA take over and send us all to thaught correction camps.

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2021, 03:10:56 pm
content: OK, thanks.Please do not let us blame the Good Chinese People....it is Westerners who place the orders for work.So is it the case now, that the only realistic course for a british (insert any western country here) electronics company, is to get set up, then secretly start a duplicate company in China using a "puppet" director...make all your money from the Chinese company (design and manufacture) ...and stagnate the engineering in the british company as much as possible (because it doesnt make as much money as the chinese part)...but keep the british company ticking over so you have a presecence in the UK electronics market, and can meet customers in UK etc...and get them transferred over to the chinese company if possible?Is this the way to go now in UK (insert western country here)?Since Western company's must do this because this is the hand they have been dealt by their governments.You do this or somebody else comes and does it for you?..and puts you out of business?

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2021, 06:33:04 pm
content: MBA's think it's access to a huge market. As soon as you set up shop in china, all the IP is collected and disseminated for the good of the people.Western corporations are naive and/or greedy, as well as sheep, they willingly enable their demise.Within days, chinese competitors have the IP and are starting to make cheapened versions of the product. They start patenting the IP in their homeland.Good read:China Product Development Agreementshighlights how you will get ripped off. It's quite bad, especially the quality problem. Anything not precisely spelled out on a BOM will of course get cheapened and substituted.Steve Saleen"alleges the Chinese shareholders planned to steal his intellectual property and have filed for more than 500 Chinese patents for his designs and technology."Google set up shop there and theirsource code stolen.Dyson will get robbed, same for Tesla, as far as the chinese can go. They can't yet make many things of high quality and writing software is their nemesis, both of which are a limiter.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2021, 01:55:00 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on July 18, 2021, 07:47:35 amNot all electronic components are made in China, but most products are. All efforts should be made by the West to remove the dependency on Chinese made electronics - now. That includes finding alternative rare earth elements. To stay as we are is just foolish.

author: SteveyG
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 20, 2021, 09:11:11 am
content: Quote from: themadhippy on July 18, 2021, 12:26:11 amTrue, but they all are produced independently despite coming from the same factory. Waitrose, M&S etc had very differing requirements from the cheaper brands.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2021, 09:50:01 am
content: Quote from: SteveyG on July 20, 2021, 09:11:11 amAs witnessed by a past food contamination issue (sometime in the past couple of years irrc), Waitrose and M&S buy their raw chicken from the same supplier as Lidl.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2021, 02:49:55 pm
content: Quotewanna bet? i spent several weeks working in a factory and saw it with my own eyes, the only difference is how its packaged,so waitrose cheapest brand is exactly the same as tescos cheapest,waitrose expensive is the same as aldis finest, apart from being in different packaging.Another clever trick is a brand advertising they dont make for any one else,no they dont, but they dont make it themselves either ,the product is made by there mother company who also churn out the same product for anyone who wants to buy it.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2021, 03:52:16 pm
content: What gets me is how come Marmite and the various own-brand clones are so different. Must be the exception to prove the rule

author: AlbertL
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2021, 05:55:47 pm
content: Somewhere I have a 1960s issue of Popular Electronics magazine that includes a quiz titled "The Geography of Electronics", where the reader has to match a company name to its home city.It's interesting to see how that geography has changed over the years, and how certain regions became associated with certain types of products. For example, I recall that a lot of companies making magnetic-tape recording equipment were based in the Los Angeles area, presumably because it was a center of the entertainment industry which was a big user of those products.

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2021, 07:47:37 pm
content: QuoteYes thats right, VAX must have been quite an inspiring place, both Nick Grey, and Sir James Dyson, worked at/with VAX at the same time, from 1990 to 1991.I must admit i had been considering applying to Gtech for electronics work, but looking on linkedin, there is a long list of Gtech employees in UK, but only one employee that is obviously a serious electronics engineer in UK.Apparently Nick Grey started Gtech, now a multi million pound company, with just £18k of savings, and an empty garage.....https://www.greatbritishlife.co.uk/things-to-do/whats-on/ceo-interview-nick-grey-gtech-7243262Does anyone know if the electronics engineering is now done mostly in China, or mostly in UK?(forgive reference to UK, but i think its relevant to people from other countries in the West also, and even beyond that)

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2021, 05:01:03 pm
content: ....So Nick Grey appears to be an engineer at heart, so it would be shocking if Gtech has resorted to getting most of its design and manufacture done in China. But is it?

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2021, 06:48:23 pm
content: QuoteWhy would it be?

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2021, 07:22:05 pm
content: ...Because if Gtech can do it, so can most other places in the west (UK)...ie, the places where you or i work....and we loose our jobs.

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2021, 07:33:46 pm
content: Dyson products are made in Malaysia, not China??? Significant difference.

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2021, 07:42:06 pm
content: Quote from: Faringdon on July 21, 2021, 07:22:05 pmYou're 50 years out-of-date Treez. Why should you have a job just because you are in the west? And why shouldn't someone in a developing country take that job? We are all human after all.If you keep designing in Mornsun converters instead of something made here you are part of your perceived problem.

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2021, 07:54:30 pm
content: It also does western countries great harm to get other countries to do most of their general electronics.Skills that are needed here drain away. A lack of skilled people when those skills are in fact needed here.I dont think it does China any good either....getting payed a pittance by western middle men.....who become multi millionaires for doing very little...just placing orders

author: Sighound36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2021, 05:32:54 am
content: Good grief, is that chip on your shoulder weighing you down to much? having issues standing straight in sunlight? Need to release some venom?Many years ago when I worked for those nasty capitalists who dared to be-grudgingly fund my meger existence. Purchased a factory in the far East not China.All of a sudden components were significantly cheaper and easier to obtain (overlord company had installed QA team inside factory) for a good 10 years profits were up and costs were down. Then those hard working under paid workers felt they need better pay and conditions. Who'd have thought it?Now back to 2021 this year we have made a bold step and purchased a small manufacturing facility nothing Dyson likearound 300 square meters. We are designing, machining, assembling all our products with as much British expertise, and components as humanly possible. We feel we can achieve around 85-88% of the total BOM. Certain items like inductors, capacitors etc will come from China even if they are badged Wurth etc. Fact of life and the way the huge manufacturing cities have sprung up in China etc alWe lost a great deal of our manufacturing base here some 20 years when the great rush to go east young man was initiated and our own ability to produce goods correctly all but disappeared, so a heavy reliance is placed I can get it from Ali express etc for $2 shipped.Yes the products will be more expensive than the usual suspects however there is a market for genuine home grown quality goods again maybe not Gtech in size but its working well

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2021, 09:46:55 am
content: Quote from: Faringdon on July 21, 2021, 07:54:30 pmWhy do you keep changing your screen name?China has benefitted from manufacturing, as has the west. Would you like it, if electronic products cost more than double the price? My parents tell me that back when TV first became popular, back in the 50s, a television set would cost two months wages.

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 06:02:54 am
content: Philips and Tridonic are highly successful European lighting co's, that get (or would get if needed) government money to survive (the government has their backs) .....the upshot is that the engineers that work at these co's often leave and use the electronics skills to help other start up co's which helps the economy in europe. And better still....most times, these co's turn in a handsome profit.UK does very little of this nurturing, and hence UK has reported a negative balance of trades each year for the last 35 years. UK has over 2 trillion of debt. UK's debt to GDP is now round 100%......showing that importing all your electronics does not make any country more wealthy...it makes the western middle men more wealthy.China and the far east will soon stop selling cheaply to the west, they will increase prices...and why shouldnt they. The Chinese are good hard working peoples. The salt of the earth. The Chinese will soon own all of the South China Sea, and will be the only country in the world to have suceeded without invasions etc. So China will soon tire of selling cheaply to the west....other far eastern countrys will follow suit. The south china sea contains vast oil and mineral wealth...China will be way above and will be the worlds most powerful nation...they wont want to sell cheaply to the west...........China recently went to Mars.Already western co's cannot even design anything...because when something electronics has been designed.....it needs electronics engineers to maintain the design....obselesence /nil stock etc...the decimation of the uk electronics industry means that there just arent enough of such electronics engineers around......in uk, you find its difficult to find an EE engineer who can find a replacement for a nil stocked El cap....so with the decimation of uk electronics, comes the reduction in numbers of EE's needed to maintain designs, and thence its not possible to do electronics design in uk...or less so, due to the decimation of uk electronics......in uk, try and find an electronics engineer in any region that can pick a BOM for an electronics product...youll struggle......or one that can change the footprint on a pcb of some device..youll struggle.....all due to outsourcing of electronics to the far east.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 06:44:27 am
content: @Faringdon -- relax... If electronics products from China indeed become more expensive in the future, more electronics design/manufacturing/jobs will come back to Europe and the UK. I think you can trust market forces to balance this out.Frankly, in my book it would be a good thing if consumer electronics get more expensive. Encouraging more thoughtful purchases, longer use, and better repairability would all benefit the environment.On a separate note: If you want a fresh start on this forum, with yet another new account -- why start with the exact same discussions which have dragged down your credibility before? Or is it that you don't care about the reputation of your forum personality, and just want to make sure it cannot be linked to your real-world name? In that case, just avoid those wixsite links and you should be alright...

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 07:59:58 am
content: The jobs have gone, never to return. If China put their prices up, production will most likely move to another low wage country. Even if manufacturing does return to the west, it will be heavilly automated and create few jobs.

author: SteveyG
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 09:52:42 am
content: Quote from: themadhippy on July 20, 2021, 02:49:55 pmWhat factory is this? If the product managers witnessed that, they would have lost their contract instantly.

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 10:18:40 am
content: Quote from: SteveyG on July 23, 2021, 09:52:42 amThemadhippy is not wrong. Not always the identical product (although often is), sometimes they have slightly different formulation - but same production lines.

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 12:51:47 pm
content: QuoteThanks, i'm not really talking specifically of production...i am speaking of entire electronics engineering companies, such as Gtech, being taken out of UK and done elsewhere. The whole shebang...(obviously the sales and marketting gets left in UK)Quote...Thanks, yes, I think it would come back to Germany, and Benelux etc, because they have been responsible, and have kept engineering going....i am highly doubtful that any jobs would come back to UK......the "knowledge" of electronics would have left UK to the extent that it cant come back to UK...the people who run UK dont seem to want engineering here.The problems of those such as myself, would easily be solved by a move to Mainland EU, but since Brexit, its all but impossible.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 01:50:44 pm
content: Quote from: Faringdon on July 23, 2021, 12:51:47 pmYes, it would have been easier if you had moved to an EU country before the end of 2020. Then the UK/EU "Withdrawal Agreement" would have given you the right to stay, continuing into 2021 and beyond I believe.But to my knowledge it should still be quite possible to take residency in Europe if you find a job here. Assuming that you have an academic degree, the "Blue Card EU" option should apply. It does require you to present a specific job offer, and your right to stay in the country will only last while you are on that job, I believe. But you can of course look for a follow-on job (in the same or a different country) and take residency there if you have another job offer in hand, using the same Blue Card mechanism.

author: Just_another_Dave
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 03:01:25 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on July 23, 2021, 01:50:44 pmSome European countries also offer residence permits for enterpreneurs. However, I don’t know which requirements need to be met to be able to apply for it

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 04:26:38 pm
content: Quote from: Faringdon on July 23, 2021, 06:02:54 amAs I'm sure we are all aware, Philips spun off its lighting division as 'Signify' some years ago, and Osram has done the same with LEDVANCE (owned by a Chinese consortium). The consumer facing names might remain the same, but not the companies developing and manufacturing them. Maybe they prefer Yen to government euros.I have just taken apart the only Philips lamp in our house, the most recently purchased (the rest being supermarket and DIY store own brands which have all lasted far longer without failure) which has failed due to Smoked Individual LEDs. Apparently this is a common problem due to poor quality and over-driving. Philips (sorry, Signify) appear to have developed significant quality and reliability issues from anecdotal evidence among electricians.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 05:13:29 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on July 23, 2021, 04:26:38 pmJust to clarify: While LEDVANCE (ex Osram) is indeed owned by a Chinese consortium, I understand that Signify went public and nearly all of their stock is free-float. As of 2020, the largest shareholder was Blackrock, owning 3.5% of the shares, followed by Norges Bank, Allianz, JP Morgan. Not sure those are nice guys, but they are US- and EU-based.Headquarters for LEDVANCE and Signify remain in Munich and Eindhoven (Netherlands) respectively, and I don't think the significant employee base at those locations has changed much since the spinouts.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2021, 07:16:55 pm
content: An entertaining rant on LED lighting from David Savery. Btw, the previous video covered the upcoming removal of lamp types from the market (I can't find the recent thread on the subject but it does clarify nicely).The rant about main brand lamp manufacturers starts at around 5 mins in. It would appear from his personal experience that LEDVANCE are doing a rather better job than Signify at the moment, with Crompton brand lamps being outlasted by their packaging.It is of course anecdotal evidence but he does do a lot of installs and has a lot of customers. Usually entertaining viewing anyway (Parental Advisory).

author: Pineapple Dan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2021, 10:31:28 am
content: Quote from: Gyro on July 23, 2021, 04:26:38 pm"Philips" LED bulbs have really taken a turn for the worst. Last year I had a few that only stayed lighthing for a few hours before they popped

author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2021, 06:56:44 pm
content: Hi,OK, we forget that the Chinese are good hard working people, honest and kindred spirits. Decent upstanding , hard working people who have a better sense of community towards each other , and others, than we westerners. They are not as greedy as us westerners. They are more moral.They havent been treated too well by the west in the past either...They dont owe the west anything.....if I am a Chinese guy and some westerner comes to me telling me to design and make his electronics and make him rich......then i maybe think, well, i'll design you some dodgy electronics so you go out of business...then ill find a different westerner (who i can pay much less) to sell the products to your western market, whilst you have gone out of business selling the dodgy stuff that i deliberately designed dodgy for you.....So how do Western middle men avoid this type of thing when they try and get products designed and built in China for their western market? Or dont they?...maybe a great many go to the wall?...maybe the Gtech's are the minority who somehow manage to do it and survive?Surely the electronics designer is king? Surely the western middle man treads a dangerous path? Most are selling Chinese stuff that they have no clue how to evaluate the schematic of.......i've worked for western middle men of electronics who didnt know what a linear regulator was.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2021, 09:52:46 pm
content: QuoteI'm sure someone around here has already posted this, or a similar page, and it might be worth your while browsing the site:https://harrisbricken.com/chinalawblog/china-nnn-agreements/

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2021, 09:06:56 pm
content: Quote from: Faringdon on July 24, 2021, 06:56:44 pmBlueskull, is that you?

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2021, 09:13:55 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on July 17, 2021, 05:08:10 pmDoes that make Nick Grey an anti-vaxxer?

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2021, 09:17:06 pm
content: It's just a touch of bait added to the OP, with a sprinkle of troll and eye of newt, leg of toad.This helps fuel a pointless discussion that can only spiral around in circles and piss off the Internet lol

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2021, 09:21:06 pm
content: Quote from: Pineapple Dan on July 24, 2021, 10:31:28 amHave Philips LED bulbs ever been well designed? In the early days the Philips bulbs I tested got up to some eye wateringly high temperatures. I have no idea how they survived this for any length of time.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2021, 09:34:56 pm
content: Philips LED bulbs were really good, especially CRI but long gone to extra cheapsville. I have a bunch that failed, electrolytic baked and dried up or open LED's, they didn't last more than 1-1/2years night time use. They just run too hot, even worse than older ones. Philips changed to a single COB in all their spots, even past 15W and hurrah you get a dot of bright light. Older spots were an array of like 2835's and very nice, wide angle.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2021, 07:30:33 am
content: Quote from: Bassman59 on July 26, 2021, 09:06:56 pmNo it's treez. I don't know why he keeps changing his name. I thought you have to ask a moderator to do that? If so, I don't see a problem with someone occassionally changing their name, or just doing so slightly, like I did, but doing it every month is annoying.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2021, 09:08:04 am
content: 'ocset' was the treez name change. Faringdon is a duplicate membership.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2021, 09:27:53 am
content: Quote from: Gyro on July 27, 2021, 09:08:04 amDo the moderators know?Sock puppetry is normally against the rules on all forums I've been part of. Is that not the case here?

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2021, 11:06:01 am
content: Err, sometimes it appears, it seems to depend on how many socks you are wearing at any one time...https://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/treez-how-many-more-accounts-are-acceptable/