Essemtec what is the difference between feeder CSM 740i and CSM 740? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Guus
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 14, 2023, 09:55:41 am
content: Hello All,Is there anybody on this forum who know the difference between CSM 740i and CSM 740?The CSM 740 belongs to an Essemtec CSM7000The CSM 740i belongs to an Essemtec Pantera X/XV/XVCThe devil is in the detail, the iI want to buy an Essemtec Pantera X and convert it to Openpnp. Then I need to reverse engineer the protocol of the feeders, so a small difference between the feeders with and without the i could be no problem.Thanks in advanced for Your fast responses!!!!!Bye,Guus

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 14, 2023, 11:08:58 am
content: I don't know the answer but its not the only Feeder type Essemtec has made that is not the same between platforms even it looks like it should be. CLM feeders change between FLX (where they started) and Paraquda/Cobra/Fox. In that case you needed to upgrade the controller board to move older feeders to the newer platform. They have changed protocol, voltage, pinout or all of it.I'd suggest you were better of NOT wasting time and effort getting OpenPnP onto an Essemtec the software on the machine should be perfectly functional and is designed with their smart feeders in mind. If you are missing the control PC or something, Essemtec might charge more than you might like for a replacement but I bet that is still better value than lots of time and possibly a backwards step to OpenPnP. a Pantera X would be Cyberoptics laser alignment (on the fly) not camera vision, that might mean a cyberoptics license and a dongle to talk to it..

author: Mangozac
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2023, 07:00:26 am
content: I just want to say that Essemtec have the coolest names! Pantera. Cyberoptics. So cool!

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2023, 10:23:57 am
content: You can't give them credit for Cyberoptics, they are a machine vision company whose software and optics you'll find in other machines too as well as a range of their own AOI.But yes Pantera was probably the first machine in Essemtec's range that took an animal name and they mostly* did that from then on. Pantera was a slight anomaly tho' its on the same platform as the FLX, sold at the same time but doesn't use the same feeders (CLM) by default, not quite sure what the sales pitch was.* I have no idea what a Paraquda or Tucano took their names from.

author: Guus
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 18, 2023, 01:36:34 pm
content: I called the sales rep of Essemtec France. He tried to sell me a paraquda. But that's way out of budget and space. Very fast I'm receiving documentation and information from sales and support. Now I understand that the Essemtec model I'm looking for is the Essemtec Pantera XV. With 3 vision systems and stand alone. The software looks very good, no reason to put Openpnp on this machine. Now looking for an XV.

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 07:45:15 am
content: Quote from: Guus on April 18, 2023, 01:36:34 pmIf someone had a Paraquda for sale they'd be lucky if Essemtec gave them €15k euro for it even with a feeder package. Keep that in mind when getting prices for refurbished machines. Direct from a user a Paraquda seems to sell for ~ €25K with some feeders. Twentech have an FLX 2011Smtbroker list a Pantera XV, and an FLX amongst othershttps://smtbroker.pl/pantera-xv-year-2016--m2303esspl02-,p904,l1.html?podstrona=1&akcja2=sklep_zobacz&sortuj=6. For others reading this, they also list a 2018 FOX including its price new, ouch, that's a LOT more than we paid for a Paraquda 10 years ago and indeed is frankly too much.