WTB: a pair of side cutters - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: IconicPCB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2022, 05:11:14 am
content: Looking for a pair of slant edge side cutters with a stepped cutting edge such that when the component lead is cut ( after the component has been inserted) the cut eng is then squashed, deformed by the secondary acting stepped edge thus locking the component in place.No this is not a pipe dream... way back when, this was standard fare.Anyone has one in captivity or knows of a source of of one of these in good nick...please help.

author: srb1954
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2022, 06:12:07 am
content: Quote from: IconicPCB on March 29, 2022, 05:11:14 amTake a look at the Piergiacomi catalog. They have a both pneumatic powered version TTP TS6000 and a hand operated version TS30D.Both types seem to be only rated for cutting copper wire and I doubt that they would work effectively for components with steel core leads. If you have a lot of components with steel core leads a cut and fold plier might be a better option and would require a lot less force.I have several other Piergiacomi hand cutters and I find that the blades are not really hardened enough to handle steel leads without some damage.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2022, 06:18:32 am
content: I have Erem that fold/cut. They were expensive, but held on for 20 years... Still going strong...As srb1954 said, Piergiacomi has many special cutters too, more affordable ones.. They are softer though I agree..I also recommend fold/cut instead cut/squish.If this is for production, I would recommend Erem. Piergiacomy are more of a disposable type. But if workers are not taking care of tools, maybe better option.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2022, 05:45:58 pm
content: Do you mean a cut and crimp or a cut and clinch?I have an original OK Industries TP-3 Cut and Clinch. There is a knockoff YYT-3 (Taiwanese) on AU ebay.https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/324840192081Here is Joe demonstrating his Eraser TP-8 which is essentially the same thing.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2022, 07:11:18 pm
content: Ones I have are Erem "distance cutters"https://www.weller-tools.com/professional/USA/us/Weller+Erem/Cutters/Distance+cuttersI specifically have similar to these (mine are old 500 106):https://www.weller-tools.com/professional/USA/us/Weller+Erem/Cutters/Distance+cutters/530E13

author: alm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2022, 10:50:49 pm
content: Do these Knipex electronics mounting pliers do what you want? They should be available new, but might not be particularly cheap.https://www.knipex.com/products/electronics-pliers/electronics-mounting-pliers/electronics-mounting-pliers/3622125https://www.knipex.com/products/electronics-pliers/electronics-mounting-pliers/electronics-mounting-pliers/3612130

author: Hydron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2022, 12:26:32 am
content: I got some of the Knipex 36 22 125 cut/bend pliers a while back on super-special from Arrow. They do the job but are v. pricey when not on clearance.I'd check Piergiacomi first if you want something cheap, as someone else pointed out they do this sort of thing and are generally affordable.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2022, 04:42:19 am
content: Quote from: alm on March 29, 2022, 10:50:49 pm36 22 125 are similar to Erem I have.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2022, 05:58:34 am
content: Quote from: Hydron on March 30, 2022, 12:26:32 amThe only time I've ever regretted having any Knipex product was when I had a pair of S-line combi pliers stolen on site. In terms of quality, as the saying goes "buy once, cry once".

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 30, 2022, 10:53:51 am
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on March 30, 2022, 05:58:34 amI totally regret buying Knipex wire stripper Multistrip 12 42 195. A total trash compared to Stripax from Weidmuller despite costing a bit more. It was positioned as automatically adjusting which I thought was an advantage (Stripax has manual insulation thickness adjustment), and which actually meant, no adjustment whatsoever. If it cannot properly strip particular wire, tough luck. After a lot of frustration, bought Stripax and the difference is huge. Also it came defective, wire cutter was not properly adjusted and therefore blade was loose and was mangling most of the wires. Took it apart and adjusted the screw and it started working properly. Yes it was a genuine instrument purchased from farnell. Overall compered to Stripax it feels like $10 toy.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2022, 05:35:43 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on March 30, 2022, 10:53:51 amHad a look on RS, and itlookslike a $10 toy... not at all what I'd expect from Knipex.I'd be fundamentally sceptical about any "fully automatic" wire stripper; I don't see how it's possible to account for different insulation thicknesses with a spring and a clever joint. I did note the weasel words in the datasheet:"fully automatic adjustment to all single-, multi- and fine-strandedconductors with PVC insulation and a number of special insulationsthroughout the entire capacity range of 0.03 to 10 mm²"Naturally no mention is made of what these "special insulations" are. I most definitely would not trust any such device with conductors as small as 0.03mm2, where even superficial damage is likely to seriously impair the conductor characteristics. For 10mm2I would use cable croppers/shears, like these I recently bought:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/253123007075I do own an automatic wire stripper, a CK 495001 (not fully automatic, the insulation cutting force is adjusted manually), which I mostly only use for stripping the outer insulation from 1.5mm2solid core double insulated neutral cable in lighting installations, though I did use them to strip some 1mm tri-rated while building a panel up recently.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 30, 2022, 06:40:31 pm
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on March 30, 2022, 05:35:43 pmIIRC it's made by Taiwanese company and is sold under many western brands, such as Irvin, Stanley and others.

author: IconicPCB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2022, 10:20:40 pm
content: Gents,Thanks for Your comments. You make me feel not so old.I have tried to source a solution locally. Not much joy other than the Ebay pointer, thanks Shock.I could also purchase the Piergiacomi cut and clench for about AUD32.-- plus AUD15 freight.Piergiacomi cut and bend offering is about a fortnight away and again similarly priced.The Swiss range is eyewateringly priced at equivalent of AUD190.-- so ... I ENVY YOU,, you who can afford it and thanks for the pointer.An old-fashioned single pneumatic cylinder activated die cutter in excess of USD1200.-- plus about 8 Kg in freight from Taiwan.My preference is not to go with a cut and bend solution , I am worried the length of the wire which gets bent down onto the surface of the PCB may be too long in some cases diminishing creep distances between areas which need to be maintained at a certain clearance level.The cut and clench on the other hand I expect, will maintain the clearance requirement.In any case a warm thank You all.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 07:34:11 am
content: So what tool and part number did you end up ordering?Let us know how it turns out and take a photo of it's working angle and result if you can.

author: IconicPCB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 07:49:33 am
content: So far slightly delayed howevera quotation from OritechTP30 1.0 Piergiacomi TP30 EACH $18.8000TS30 1.0 Piergiacomi Cut & Press Cutter EACH $20.6615FREIGHT 1.0 $15.00Freight is from Melbourne to BrisbaneAm about to order, will report on performance.