[USA][DONE]: Prema 8017 multimeter - Page 1
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author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 12:49:49 am
content: Want to buy a Prema 8017 meter. If interested in selling please pm/email pictures, cal history(if known), and how much you'd like to get for it. In the USA so please keep that in mind for shipping. Prefer a working unit.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 02:54:11 am
content: last one i saw was sold on ebay sept 2017, and its an eevblog member here who bought it, he lives in germany ... did 4 post and never came back ??https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/prema-8017/

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 03:39:52 am
content: I did actually contact him out of the blue as he was looking to possibly trade it for a 10V reference. He never responded after I told him ballpark 800EUR. I'm perfectly willing to go over that but seemed like a reasonable number for a sight unseen piece of gear with no history and just wanted to get the ball rolling. I think a couple of eevblog members own these so it's probably the best bet to find one through here.I recently e-mailed Prema and it sounded like they wouldn't be servicing their old meters much longer so was hoping to get one to be able to send it in and in tip top shape. Of course since I emailed them asking to verify what they had seemed to say about service/cal they stopped responding.

author: MadTux
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 08:15:27 pm
content: Perhaps get a Prema 5017?It's quite similar to the 8017, but with much less service horror inside.8017 has a 80386 PC inside for data processing and as a display controller. Has an antique harddisk inside that runs some old M$ DOS that is used to display the data on screen (that probably has CCFD backlight and the noise that comes along)5017 has more or less the same analog DMM hardware and much simpler digital hardware. No HDD to go bad and display is common 16x1 LCD, available for a couple of $ from china. Futhermore, it's smaller.Overall I'm not that impressed with Prema multimeters, personally. They are quite stable but the interface and display isn't that great. For everyday use, I much rather use Keithley 2015/2010 and HP-3456A. Keithley is easy to use and HP is very accurate and easy to repair and both have much better display than Prema 5017/8017

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 08:19:27 pm
content: Maybe its a dream meter ??Mine would be a Gossen Metratop 51 or 52 loll ??

author: branadic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 08:43:45 pm
content: Philipp23 is willing to sell his Prema 8017, maybe you want to contact him?https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/group-buy-for-10v-ltz1000a-reference/msg2219322/#msg2219322quarks offered a Prema 5017 SChttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/fs-prema-5017sc-7-5-digit-dmm-(location-germany)/msg1900313/#msg1900313Can't agree with MadTux, the meters are perfect for daily use and the display is a LCD with backlight and not a VFD that is fading with time. Simple RS232 interface allows for easy connection to a computer. No need to use the IEEE interface.I've sold 2 of my 3 units, the last one went to USA.-branadic-

author: chekhov
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 09:32:45 pm
content: Quote from: branadic on February 26, 2019, 08:43:45 pmMay you disclose the reason why are you selling them ? (or at least give a clue, If not just personal reasons) Maybe since you have access to higher-grade units you don't need them, or it will be hard to calibrate them soon, smth like that,My gut feeling tells me that as soon as calibration ands with high probability you may sell your last unit as well.

author: Kosmic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 11:31:13 pm
content: The calibration procedure is in the manual and schematics are available online. Not sure what you need more ?

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 11:42:08 pm
content: Quote from: MadTux on February 26, 2019, 08:15:27 pmDone.Quote from: coromonadalix on February 26, 2019, 08:19:27 pmMore or less yea, like my R&S power supplies there is something about it I just really like.Quote from: branadic on February 26, 2019, 08:43:45 pmI did message Philipp23 but he hasn't responded since I told him ballpark 800EUR. Could be higher or lower final price but was just throwing a number out because he wasn't SURE he wanted to get rid of it, just sure he wanted a 10V ref. Also I'm the one that bought the 5017SC. Still making it's way across the country after a week in customs.Quote from: Kosmic on February 26, 2019, 11:31:13 pmYea, I don't think there is some crazy issue with them getting older. The main potential issue is the ADC, which Prema made. If they are indeed considering to stop servicing meters that could be an issue down the line.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2019, 12:00:17 am
content: Could a similar meter can be done with pci or pci-e multimeter From National InstrumentsYou have some 6 1/2 digits at decent pricesYou had signatronics / ascor pci models (now Keysight) like sm2040 / sm2044For fft calculations, thats another storyYou have som fluke 8846, and keysight models with graphic display too ??

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2019, 12:22:36 am
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on February 27, 2019, 12:00:17 amI could just use RS-232 or GP-IB interfaces of the 5017SC to read out the data and write my own programs to process(I'm going to anyway) but my want for an 8017 is largely a want, not a need. I think it's a really cool meter, and having the built-in 386 PC isn't a bad thing(to me). I'll see how this works out. I struggle not to buy half the items for sale here there are so many good ones(like the meter you have for sale now). So my best bet to save some money is strive for something hard to get. If I could stop looking for things to buy.

author: branadic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2019, 06:52:34 am
content: QuoteSimple reason, I sold both as I needed the money to invest into a R6581D and thus upgrade my homelab to 8.5 digit.Over the years I went the long road from handheld mutlimeter to the first Philipps 5.5 digit, to 6.5 digits with Prema 5000, over to Prema 5017 SC with 7.5 digits and finally to 8.5 digit.Originally I bought the two sold units from the bay last year as I was dissapointed that noone here on the board wanted them. I knew that they would have minor issues such as an old and broken line filter and dryed caps, but the meters are robust and except for the ADC with of the shelf components and no magic hybrids. They both had the scanner installed so I couldn't resist and took the risc.I still have one unit on my bench that is my everyday working horse and also has the scanner installed.QuoteDidn't know it was you J. Hopefully it will arrive soon.-branadic-

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2019, 07:35:22 am
content: Quote from: branadic on February 27, 2019, 06:52:34 amUSPS just gives me updates saying it's still on the way so I don't even know where in the country it's currently at. Hopefully this week.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 02:59:37 am
content: I would have loved to play with this prema 8017 too .....

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2019, 10:52:27 pm
content: So there is one on German eBay right now. It's not perfect but ok. What would my options be for getting it out of Germany since seller only ships domestically, and how do German ebayers pay? I see no PayPal logo.https://www.ebay.de/itm/Prema-8017-Multimeter-7-5-Stellen/223433175657?hash=item3405a7b269:g:jxEAAOSwXIFce7oq

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2019, 01:10:35 am
content: woah nice find pm'd you for someone who could help you

author: Echo88
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2019, 07:56:12 pm
content: Who got it and can we expected a short measurement in the metrology-section for noise/linearity for example?

author: branadic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2019, 08:01:33 pm
content: As expected the meter went out for something around 850€ (in detail for 873,99€).QuoteIf you can wait I will perform linearity measurement on my Prema 5017 SC with similar hardware like 8017, except the internal computer. But therefore my R6581D needs calibration and Datron 4000A has to arrive, which I expect is within next week.-branadic-

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2019, 08:29:00 pm
content: Yea, it went around what I'd pay if I had some indication of the calibration. Unfortunately I didn't and he wouldn't respond to me. Now I'll have to find a nicer example since PREMA is ending the servicing of their meters on the 20th.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 11, 2019, 02:03:46 am
content: Damn thats a hefty price, sorry for you1380$ cad outch

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 11, 2019, 03:06:42 am
content: Yea, who knows what the winners max bid was too.

author: branadic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 11, 2019, 11:05:38 am
content: It's always interesting, that people pay a lot for gear with unknown calibration state, but complain on the price for gear with known calibration state. Seems like I should have asked for a much higher price for my two Prema 5017 SC, that were serviced and calibrated and do have the scanner installed.-branadic-

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 11, 2019, 08:01:42 pm
content: Quote from: branadic on March 11, 2019, 11:05:38 amI think it depends. I don't even care if the Cal is 5 years out as long as there is some record of it, it can be re-calibrated. If the Cal is totally unknown I worry about shoddy repairs having taken place. The sticker residue and broken input Jack but SSD and new fan sort of confused me. So I just went low expecting to pay up to that price again at PREMA. Plus shipping fees PayPal fees. It's all good. For now I bought 2 refs. 1 ltz1000 and 1 ltz1000A.

author: Echo88
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 11, 2019, 08:47:32 pm
content: That would be nice branadic. I was always curious about the linearity and noise of the high class PREMA meters, like 5017 and 6048.

author: branadic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2019, 05:51:45 pm
content: QuoteWill post it in this threadhere. But please give it a bit of time.In case someone is searching for a calibrated Prema 5017 SC there is currently an offer on a German board:https://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/470572#5770533No, I'm not involved in this offer, just found it today and linked it here.-branadic-

author: exor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 07:21:37 am
content: Have you noticed, there is another 8017 for sale. The one I bought has not yet arrived.www.ebay.de/itm/Prema-8017-Multimeter-7-5-Stellen/223448121358

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 07:26:33 am
content: That's really odd. That's a straight re-list from the looks of it.

author: exor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 08:14:14 am
content: Yes, he hasn’t change the pictures, same serial number. Maybe he had two and think to keep the other one but saw how he can make good money and put last one for sale too. He has short but good feedback and there is parcel coming, probably beginning of next week. I will inform what is in the box when it arrives

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 02:20:42 pm
content: Well thats smell strangedont like that, unless the buyer changed ideas and requested a cancellation, too much moneyit is the same model and 1004 sn ...Really annoying to have ``trunckated`` buyers names ... 1 private buyer is going pretty strongor its a scam the make the price going up, seen that in the past ...Surely goes up to 850 euro ...

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 02:46:51 pm
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on March 15, 2019, 02:20:42 pmYeah, I can't say for sure but he either has a lot of the same gear or every auction he ran was re listed.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 02:49:57 pm
content: I had contact with the seller and he seemed legit.But re-listing the same item with the same pictures always raises some questions.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 04:56:35 pm
content: ok thks highvoltage, must be an buyer cancellation / retractation ?Sad this puppy wont get at Prema before the last tech retires on 20thWould be nice if Prema could release the meter software to be backed up by the eevblog community

author: exor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 05:23:53 pm
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on March 15, 2019, 04:56:35 pmNo, I haven't cancel or retract. Retires March 20th?

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 05:43:20 pm
content: Quote from: exor on March 15, 2019, 05:23:53 pmThe guy at Prema who does full servicing retires on the 20th. They told me the 14th would likely be latest date to send a meter in for that. Calibration only should continue for at least some months. They have not decided how long calibration will continue.

author: exor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 05:57:32 pm
content: Quote from: maginnovision on March 15, 2019, 05:43:20 pmThanks maginnovision. I have to contact them when meter arrives. If my unit is s/n 10004 the front panel sockets should be replaced but that I can do myself. Hope that there are no other issues and only calibration is needed.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 06:07:37 pm
content: Quote from: exor on March 15, 2019, 05:57:32 pmLet me know what sockets you use. I was looking for my 5017sc and I think the keithley ones would be the best fit, but couldn't find them.Maybe I should ask phillip23 about his again now that I have 10000 hour ltz1000 and 2000 hour ltz1000A.

author: exor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 06:58:53 pm
content: Quote from: maginnovision on March 15, 2019, 06:07:37 pmI will first ask if they can replace them (if there still is some lite service available). If not, I will ask if they have spare sockets to sell. If not, I will start looking something similar.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 07:16:07 pm
content: I just bought a few things from them, slipped my mind to ask for input jacks. Considering shipping costs I shouldn't have.

author: branadic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 08:07:15 pm
content: I had all input jacks replaced at Prema during service, so either they have them in stock or they have a direct source on them. Also your input jacks Justin are replaced as they were broken before.As far as the birds whisper, they do have a lot of ADC for the meters in stock. Beside firmware, which would be great to save here, all the rest can be serviced on your own. Prema is pretty willing to share the schematics on request. I do have them for the 5017 including the scanner, which helped me few weeks ago to repair a none detectable scanner, due to an old electrolytic cap near its controller.What I don't like, they used cheap caps made by Jamicon in their meters. I replaced them with better quality Rubycon.-branadic-

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 08:49:29 pm
content: The only thing i saw in some pictures are 2 ic with strange markings, i dont know what they are ....pr ce2pr 8k2nices pictures and teardown :https://www.amplifier.cd/Test_Equipment/other/Prema-8017.html

author: exor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 09:30:40 pm
content: Quote from: branadic on March 15, 2019, 08:07:15 pmI did ask and got a backup from the seller he had taken when replacing the drive. And it is nice to hear that Prema is still giving some support for these meters.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2019, 09:47:30 pm
content: I bought these from Prema but Beate didn't know anything about the ADC so I couldn't get one. Or I didn't communicate well what I wanted? I've also got spare displays on the way for the 5017, just in case.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2019, 06:07:20 am
content: QuoteWhat? There isonebloke that does this and when he retires that's it? What would have happened if he got run over by a bus or something? That, alone, is a superb reason to not rely (aka spend a fortune on) this company's products.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2019, 06:41:52 am
content: Hello,in the new offer the seller wrote: "Verkauft wird mein zweites Prema 8017 Multimeter". This mean like "I sell my second (another) Prema 8017 Multimeter"Best regardsegonotto

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2019, 07:01:10 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 16, 2019, 06:07:20 amThey stopped making meters almost 20 years ago. The fact that they kept someone on for this many years says a lot. I can also buy original accessories from them with no issue. I don't NEED to but I can and I did.Quote from: egonotto on March 16, 2019, 06:41:52 amThat's good but doesn't make me any less uneasy about an otherwise duplicate listing.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2019, 07:05:48 am
content: QuoteAh. OK

author: branadic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2019, 01:08:32 pm
content: QuoteMr. Stricker not only serviced and calibrated the meter that were sent to him, but did the calibration and service for the meters at Prema Semiconductor and this service was offered for the meters they once had sold too.-branadic-

author: exor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2019, 05:06:15 pm
content: My 8017 arrived today in good shape. Serial number is 10239 so next buyer might get that 10004? Nice and interesting piece of kit! Here is one picture, I have more time to play with it probably next weekend.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2019, 05:57:33 pm
content: Quote from: exor on March 19, 2019, 05:06:15 pmLooks good.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2019, 08:52:55 pm
content: lucky you, sad to see broken "internal ring"in the input plugIm jealous loll

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2019, 07:01:56 pm
content: The second the rumored 1004 serial is almost sold, over 750$$ usd - 665 euro outchEdit : ended at 1213$$ usd ... 802 euros

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2019, 09:13:42 pm
content: Yeah, I got the alert. I don't want to bother the person who was gonna help again. After buying 2 ltz1000 refs(1ach, 1 ch), datron 4000A, and the AC calibrator I'm ok waiting for a more readily available model, possibly with scanner.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2019, 09:15:41 am
content: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Prema-8017-Multifunction-Meter-Multifunktion-Messgerat/173874722158Here is another for sale. Ships worldwide but the seller wanted more than I'm wanting to spend right now. 1000EUR. If you make them that offer they SHOULD take it, shipping for me was 100EUR but may be cheaper for some others.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2019, 02:22:18 pm
content: Damn it`s a ton of cash, ouutch in usd = 1300$ in cad = 1700$I think it`s someone who may follow whats going on on Ebay and maybe here ? we have to track down the serials numbers lollMaybe a recently bought one and try to make some profit reselling it ?? who knowsStrange to see many of them circulating lately loll

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2019, 04:37:38 pm
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on April 19, 2019, 02:22:18 pmIt is strange. I think that first one that sold for 1000+EUR or whatever not too long ago moved the pricing up too because the second one only went for 850 or something. Maybe I'll contact the seller it would go nice with the 5017, but it is a lot of cash and you never know when it'll fail. With a 386 inside if it isn't packaged well for a trip from germany to california it would certainly be dead by time it got here.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2019, 10:45:19 pm
content: Is it methe price as gone up ??

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2019, 11:00:06 pm
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on April 19, 2019, 10:45:19 pmThe price went WAY up. I think he's confused. There must be way better deals in EU, and I know there are in NA. I'm glad I didn't accept his offer. He emailed me to buy it at the last offer I made him and I told him I'm only willing to pay 45EUR less than my last offer and he was shocked I offered less.

author: Kosmic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2019, 11:04:19 pm
content: Starting to be a bit much for an old 7.5 digits lm399 based meter

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2019, 11:07:54 pm
content: Yep I know there is added function / bonusses i may say, but not worth over 1400 eurosThe seller is playing a rude game, not sure Ebay would like that ??The lowest "prema 8017" sold was 100$ usd in 2008For fun, buy an Ni 7.5 or 8.5 digit pcie card and add a computer loll

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2019, 11:14:54 pm
content: Quote from: Kosmic on April 19, 2019, 11:04:19 pmI think the 1200 he wanted to begin with was too much. I think he's expecting lower offers then look like he came down so much. Probably just turn everyone off asking for that high price.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2019, 02:06:32 am
content: yeah, now the seller see there is some interest loll

author: quarks
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2019, 08:38:40 am
content: unfortunately I did not see this discussion erliear, but have some information which still might be interesting.I visited PREMA several times and had direct contact with Mr. Stricker (now retired).He told me that the PREMA Cal Service will be continued by a colleague of him.I also still have 5017SC and parts like the original 4mm connectors (these where especiallly made by MC for PREMA and are not available anywhere else). So if anyone ist interested send me a PM.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2019, 10:34:53 am
content: the 8017 is still for sale, is it me the lcd seem bad or have bad contrast adjustment ?? or its the taken photo ??At this price the seller will be or maybe stuck with it for a long time ......

author: genesilvernail
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2019, 06:50:31 pm
content: Hope this doesn't violate blog rules..no intention to..if so my apologies.These displays are angle sensitive and off axis viewing is what is seen in the photo. My first post to this and have pretty much read all on the Prema meters as I have a history and fondness using the 8017.Placement of the meter (8017) on your workbench should be eye-level straight-on and you'll have no issue reading the meter. Furthermore for owners of the 8017 or future owners turn on the screen saver and your display will outlast you.I'm no longer involved with metrology. Having moved towards RF/SDR design as a past time and therefore my 8017 is way over kill for my needs (have Fluke bench meters) and would be available for sale or trade of VNA or spectrum analyzer of equal value. Serious interest only please; pictures and serial numbers available.The 8017 has been a single owner and go to friend used for testing and characterizing design efforts. If I don't swap/sell I will send the HD off and have it duplicated in a solid state drive. As stated elsewhere if the drive dies the meters kaput until drive faculties are restored. It remains powered on 24/7 on my bench and has been used as such throughout its life. When it was last calibrated it?... a long time ago, look at its records under system.I tend not to use eBay anymore because they're jerks..etc my eBay gsilvernail11 and have over 700 transactions with 100%.It is a good meter... while not 3458... out of the box (no PC ) does/did things the 3458 can't do.Included some photos. During its professional service life I had GE mobile cal services perform the cal, which interestingly they commented it never was way out... never in over 10 years of service... just re-centering. No, the 10V reference pictured is not a primary standard. The reference uses LT1021 which was aged/run till expected long term aging rate was achieved as measured by the OEMs NIST traceable 3478. Not Chinese...made in USA go to their WEB. This picture shows the 8017 probably should be re-cal'd.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2019, 03:12:15 am
content: I don't have a VNA or spectrum analyzer but if you'd consider cash let me know.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2019, 10:17:23 am
content: thats a beautiful meter

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 05:48:21 am
content: Quote from: genesilvernail on May 27, 2019, 06:50:31 pmYour PM's are full now. Having only a couple of posts you're severely restricted in that department. Following up on the PM though I really don't have any RF equipment and I am in California. If you want you can let me know what you'd be looking for in cash. If you really want a trade for RF gear I'd recommend creating a new buy/sell thread asking for that.

author: genesilvernail
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 01:27:20 am
content: I would like to get somewhere around 800. I think that's a fair price for its condition. If there's no interest I will eventually just abandon selling and just buy. Your in CA which is close to Washington, my location. On packing and shipping I've shipped world wide and always over pack with at least 2 to 3 inches of surrounding peanuts with 2 to 3 inches of bubble wrap first and always insure for actual replacement value. Let me know if interested, if not that's OK too no hurt feelings. Thanks for your interest and patience.ps whats a PM and what limitations are associated with PMs

author: genesilvernail
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 01:58:34 am
content: Thanks for compliment, wasn't me the Germans knocked it out of the park on this meter. As elsewhere was stated it was ahead of its time and comparing it to the 3458 misses the whole point of the critical characteristics it was designed to. And no its not the same as the 5017 with all the bitching about the 8017 display that I've read elsewhere in a blog. The display is not a problem. I've attached some pictures that shows just some of it capabilities over the 5017 or 3458. As stated its not a 3458 nor is a 3458 a 8017. Two different design objectives.Pictures show sampling meter X-Y display (no signal)Previous posting showed integrating meter displayPolynomial manipulationTrig functional manipulationExample of help screens (yes it speaks English)

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 02:35:51 am
content: Pm stands for private email, you have to check your inbox ...When you are new here, under 5 posts you're kinda limited in your emails ...It is a very clean Meter, if the exchanges rates where not killing me (add 30-33%) for cad to usd convertion, i would have bougt it

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 03:53:56 am
content: This may sound weird, but could you post a picture of the back? If it looks good I'll take it.

author: genesilvernail
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 12:52:14 am
content: Back of instrument

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 01:34:25 am
content: Sent you a PM.

author: genesilvernail
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 13, 2019, 01:39:13 am
content: I see UPS has delivered the 8017. How did it travel? Got it up and running?

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 13, 2019, 11:18:31 pm
content: Just to finish the thread, the unit from Gene made it to me in very good shape. I attached two pictures. One of it graphing a short while warming up, and the other of it measuring a 7.090462V ref after zeroing. Right now I'm waiting on more adapters because the one I've used for years doesn't seem to work with the drive and I can't grab the contents. Once I can create the image I'll swap in an SSD. Thanks to everyone who helped and Gene for selling.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 14, 2019, 01:53:13 am
content: nice collection lucky boy loll

author: branadic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 14, 2019, 05:51:25 pm
content: Congrats to this new device. Now your Prema collection is almost complete... still missing 6048-branadic-