Free Energy LOLs - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 04:16:09 am
content: Attacking me and the forum it seems.Only watched a couple of short parts, but seems like he claims I'm a paid shill

author: ogden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 05:08:59 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 06, 2020, 04:16:09 amHe do not deserve your attention, nor clicks your post will inevitably generate for his YT video. Best way to handle flat earthers and free energy "scientists" - ignore them.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 05:17:24 am
content: Yes why even engage? Like all the rest of the free energy guys, put up or shut up. Present a working device to an independent group of engineers for them to analyze how it works. The first person to demonstrate any kind of device that bends the fundamental laws of energy in a repeatable manner will go into the books with the great scientists whose work our whole understanding is based on.They're all attention seeking charlatans, they all use the same bag of tired old tricks.

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 05:34:01 am
content: I prefer the easy response, OK you have free unlimited energy, stick it in a sealed box and sell it to me, If it needs weird complicated conditions and "magic" refills to keep going, then its not free, if it can't keep working in that sealed box for days or weeks, then its not unlimited. once you get both those parts down pat, and I can test it, I will buy your box.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 06:33:47 am
content: Quote from: Rerouter on June 06, 2020, 05:34:01 amDidn't the Steorn Orbo that eventually shipped have a massive battery pack hidden inside?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 06:35:30 am
content: Quote from: ogden on June 06, 2020, 05:08:59 amYeah, I won't engage, but fun to post here.The person who send it to me I assumed they were sensible and were sending it for the LOL's. Nope, turns out they are free energy nut and want me to build up some dudes widget and see for myself

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 06:42:32 am
content: If it ships with some massive battery pack, atleast they know they are a scam, but it shuts up many of the online preachers. honestly if the battery pack is a reasonable price for whats in it, I probably would not be angry, just warn others against it.

author: nuclearcat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 07:01:51 am
content: I think guy on video have mashed potato instead of brain. Nonsense that he talks and how he talks - i saw from some mentally ill person with particular diagnosis.He does not finish a single thought properly, switching suddenly between topics, no prologue, story, epilogue that gives complete idea about author "vision" or "idea", just bunch of random bullshit and inconsistency in EVERYTHING.Although ill people like him easily find supporters among people who do not want to read more than 5 lines and want to believe in miracles.("Just don’t learn physics at school, and your whole life will be filled with miracles and magic")P.S. His audio is just piece of shit (only one channel audio, exceptionally irritating sudden loud sounds effects). Seems this grown up child got some audio effects tool and abusing it.

author: nuclearcat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 07:07:44 am
content: And I also seem to understand why he hates Russians.This whole scam is about free energy thing of the past in exUSSR (it appeared there first), and russians has long discussions about it , so when new clown appears with “free energy” ideas, most russians have a ton of information to debunk his bullshit.

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 08:21:57 am
content: There you have it: "This material is not for Entertainment".Dang, and I am still not sure if this is more of the funny, creepy or annoying type of YT-videos. At least I'm sure it hits 103% on the BS meter

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 08:54:01 am
content: " is only after money."I couldn't watch any further than that, because I instantly recognize the kind of mild psychosis underneath. The kind that latches on the first perceived fault (here, probably that Dave likes good, expensive tools like good 'scopes from Keysight and Siglent, and likes to point out fake products and crowdsourcing campaigns) – emphasis onperceived–, and ignores everything else, because thinking critically and observing the world the way it is is hard and believing in a magical world is easier and comforting.Disagreeing with Dave or anyone else on some things is fine, but completely ignoring the massive amount of useful and very helpful, completely free information on both Youtube and on this forum he's providing, is just .. sad, really. Ignoring all that evidence to cast doubt on Dave's motives is just irrational; strange, weird.I do find it funny that these secretive inventors are so keen on keeping their inventions secret even when they cannot really even construct an cohesive argument why they need to do so. Usually, it is some drivel about "big companies stealing the invention and keeping it from the public", when just publishing the invention on the 'net would ensure that cannot happen. In reality, they think they are standing on a goldmine, and everyone who is criticizing their invention is trying to steal it from them – that too is part of the mild psychosis. In the real world, ideas are a dime a dozen, and the real world implementation is the one thing that matters.I am not being mean to the "free energist" here, by they way. I'm usingpsychosisin its clinical sense, as a medical condition. These people are very distinct from the charlatans trying to make money off fake products, and the "inventors" who genuinely believe their work will work because they really do not understand physics at all (and who are genuinely surprised they don't work if they build it). The best response to these, I think, is to gently tell them that not everybody is trying to steal their invention or to keep their invention from the public. Most of us can just see that those inventions do not – cannot – work, and don't want gullible people to lose their money on them. To prove our motives, we openly tell exactly why those inventions cannot work.

author: TheHolyHorse
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 09:24:54 am
content: The comment section of that video is just sad. How can so many people be so delusional, when it's so easy to prove them wrong. When are the free energy people ever gonna demonstrate their "free engery"?It's like trying to convince someone that god exist, but how are you supposed to believe something that extreme without actual proof.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 09:55:46 am
content: It's only about getting more attention and clicks. Nothing to see here! Move along!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 10:31:10 am
content: Quote from: madires on June 06, 2020, 09:55:46 amHow many years old is my video BTW?But it is one of the top search results for "free energy" IIRC.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 10:31:59 am
content: Quote from: TheHolyHorse on June 06, 2020, 09:24:54 amTheywantto believe.Just like people want to believe in religion etc.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 11:13:13 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 06, 2020, 10:31:59 amMuch of the blame for this can be directly apportioned to the decreasing educational standards across the developed world these days.People just aren't taught the skill of critical thinking any more, at least at general educational levels, they're just taught how to pass tests and assessments.You pretty much have to wait until further education to be taught it in most cases nowadays.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 11:18:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 06, 2020, 10:31:10 amRight now a search for "free energy" lists two videos from ElectroBOOM in the first 12. A search for "free energy scam" lists 5 from ElectroBOOM and two of yours. One of them is "EEVblog #708 - Free Energy Overunity is RUBBISH!", 5 years old.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 11:24:05 am
content: Exactly. Being rational and objective about the harsh real world is hard; magical thinking is comforting.There are similarities to conspiracy theories, too. It is easy to think "they" are against you, because then you are important; but hard to accept that nobody is against you because nobody knows or cares about you at all.It may sound odd, to create imaginary adversaries to feel better, but that's humans for you. We can emotionally deal with "enemies", even become stronger then; but not so much being completely ignored or feeling irrelevant, replaceable, insignificant: the brain tends to go b0rk then, especially if there are other hardships or genetic predisposition.This also makes it easy to understand why so many people are arguing about our societies having [structural evil], for varying values or definitions of [structural evil]. It is easier tobe, if you know you are significant and special enough to have an enemy targeting you, instead of just one more or less average one out of 7,700,000,000 or so.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 03:22:23 pm
content: Apparently they only record in mono using the left channel. Maybe this is for saving all the free energy they generate. That was too annoying to listen to.

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 04:36:36 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on June 06, 2020, 03:22:23 pmNo. The right channel is used to transmit inaudible theta-BS-waveform particles to protect you from you-know-for-sure-whom-I'm-talking about, trying to confuse your brain, so you won't understand his video. Like an advanced tinfoil-hat, without the hat and the foil.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 05:02:47 pm
content: I'll just repeat myself:Send your working device to Dave for a test run. And the UL or a different serious independent lab. If it works, wait for the money and the Nobel prize. If it doesn't I'll be so shocked.The alternative (which is what we have now) is to have a free energy circlejerk where no useful physical devices generated/sold, but apparently there are hundreds of designs that most assuredly work - just look at all of the videos related to this one, the comments section on the video... from the quantity of claims it seems that you have to be an idiot not to be able to create your own device.And a few gems from the comments section:QuoteQuoteAnd pot kettle black:Quote

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 05:19:21 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on June 06, 2020, 05:02:47 pmI'd be fascinated to hear an explanation of how this person achieves a 100fHz precision in his measurement. I'm sure it would be a very very imaginative stream of gibberish.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 06:21:29 pm
content: I like the healing crystal folks more: at least their wares sometimes smell nice.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2020, 10:56:37 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 06, 2020, 06:21:29 pmThis shit just smells like burnt electronics and flesh from idiots that don't know a damn thing about electricity.

author: ozcar
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2020, 11:27:55 pm
content: QuoteI thought maybe that was an abbreviation for Zambian kwachas, but Wikipedia says otherwise.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 09, 2020, 12:18:27 am
content: Quote from: daqq on June 06, 2020, 05:02:47 pm*snort*

author: Ultrapurple
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2020, 08:44:13 am
content: Quote from: Haenk on June 06, 2020, 04:36:36 pmThat is a fabulous quote.I shall abduct and abuse it mercilessly.

author: ogden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2020, 05:32:36 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 09, 2020, 12:18:27 amBTW sad irony that "waste of time to debate with religious followers" is said by youtuber having loads ofvideoslike "Flat Earth. NASA and ESA fake Space Program. Rockets NEVER fly high enough to reach space".

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2020, 05:34:09 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on June 06, 2020, 05:02:47 pm

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2020, 05:43:46 pm
content: One reason free energy scams can sustain so much following is because of past success, accepted by the technical world. From the point of view of the technically illiterate we have been through several waves of "free" energy implementation.Coal was much cheaper than wood as an energy source. More powerful too.Then came steam. Much better than horses. Close to free on a relative basis.Then petroleum.Then nuclear.Then solar.To the unwashed these are just waves of new technology bringing energy at dramatically lower "cost" (cost being an amalgam of purchase price, ease of use and availability). No reason to think there won't be more waves if all you know is that it is shiny and it works. And all of those shiny and works things were not accepted initially because they didn't conform to existing use patterns (and often weren't implemented well in the early phases of learning how the technology works. Everyone starts ignorant.)

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2020, 05:53:09 pm
content: I think this is a problem of being technically illiterate and being easy to manipulate. The rare case of being science-affine *and* at the same time accepting and promoting anti-scientific theories has to be some sort of a) scam for personal gain or some form of not normal mental state.(Though I won't complain against researching "unusual" science, as long as commonly accepted research methods are used.)

author: ogden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2020, 07:13:06 pm
content: Quote from: Haenk on June 09, 2020, 05:53:09 pmRight. We better ignore both - due to different set of reasons

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2020, 07:50:25 pm
content: Quote from: Haenk on June 09, 2020, 05:53:09 pmExcatly, I have an open mind and have no problem researching weird phenomenon on Earth and in space, as long as they use actual scientific methods.I also have no problem with people believing in or delving into non-scientific stuff like paranomal, psychics, cryptids, existence of God(s), aliens, exc, as long as they don't claim anything not using actual scientific principles is actual science. Here in the world of real science, the world is round, thermodynamics is absolute, vaccines save lives, and 5G is harmless.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 12, 2020, 05:20:31 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on June 11, 2020, 07:50:25 pmFixed that for you

author: pidcon
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2020, 05:18:05 am
content: Aren't these free energists like the flat earthers? I guess everyone wants to do something substantial with their lives in their own way. It's just that their 'way' contains a lot of short cuts.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2020, 05:48:08 am
content: i clicked around that video and some how it reminded me of jerry springer (no idea what its about), women yelling, some guy looking like hes getting a lap dance, multiple frames.. what the fucki just know don't meet up (lowtax vs uwe boll), i think dave jones has physical advantage but that guy will pull a derringer (seems like something you would find in a old saloon)

author: bson
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2020, 08:17:59 pm
content: The same people would never try to build a mechanical perpetual motion or free energy machine. But somehow, because EM fields and electric charge is invisible, anything goes and it's all magic.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2020, 03:05:46 pm
content: Quote from: bson on June 29, 2020, 08:17:59 pmThe start of this thread was a mechanical 3D printed perpetual motion machine, but the post seems to have vanished.Dave? Where'd it go Dave?

author: EvilGeniusSkis
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2020, 08:05:46 pm
content: The part I find interesting about free energy nutters is that quite often, in order to build the devices that they do, they need to have better than average intelligence and knowledge, but that doesn't extend to realizing that their device can't work the way they think it works. For example, I've seen videos of devices that intermittently light an LED, with a massive loop of wire that can't possibly be collecting energy from radio waves.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2020, 10:44:06 pm
content: Due to this post, I suspect this guy will get a ton of free publicity without spending a Joule of energy. There's your free energy! Qed.

author: bson
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 01, 2020, 02:35:31 am
content: Let's clarify that free energy is not necessarily the same as perpetual motion. After all solar energy is "free", as is wind, hydro and wave, various schemes to harvest EM, or pendulums harvesting earth's rotational energy. They're free in the sense that there is no fuel consumed. What the so-called free energy scams have in common is their easily identifiable physical impossibility, lack of coherent explanation of how they work, irreproducibility, and a notion that energy can be created out of nothing - effectively, they're in the perpetual motion bin. Like 14kW of power out of nothing - there's just not that much power to be had there. Maybe 14µW, that I can believe.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2020, 03:17:31 am
content: its probably always going to be investigated because if any of those ideas works it will be a game changer

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2020, 06:38:31 am
content: Quote from: bson on July 01, 2020, 02:35:31 amThe reason we don't call this BS perpetual motion anymore is alot of energy from nothing (or some BS source like the quantum ether) devices these days have no moving parts. Sure we still have "back-emf motors" and "magnet motors" and the like, but there's plenty that's just a bunch of stupid circuits cobbled together into some nonsense.