Altium perpetual license for £2665+VAT?? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2020, 01:46:14 pm
content: Just heard from you can get Altium 20/21 perpertual license for <£2700 (down from £8K), including first year subscription.Is KiCAD really that good

author: Pseudobyte
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2020, 02:18:54 pm
content: Yeah, they are really after that maintenance revenue stream. Sure i bought my license for $4000 USD. I just paid my $2000 maintenance. ooof

author: voltsandjolts
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2020, 02:43:39 pm
content: What's the phone number to get that price?

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2020, 03:08:52 pm
content: Quote from: voltsandjolts on June 01, 2020, 02:43:39 pmPM sent.

author: olkipukki
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2020, 04:06:58 pm
content: Quote from: fcb on June 01, 2020, 01:46:14 pmoh dearLiterally, around 1K for a license

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2020, 04:12:11 pm
content: Quote from: olkipukki on June 01, 2020, 04:06:58 pm£1020 for the license£1680 for the first yearIs the breakdown on the quote.

author: olkipukki
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2020, 04:16:00 pm
content: Quote from: fcb on June 01, 2020, 04:12:11 pm+VAT or inclusive?Edit: Pardon, +VAT in subj

author: Gerhard_dk4xp
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2020, 04:33:58 pm
content: I got an offer to upgrade from Altium16 to 20 for €1600+VAT, one year of support(from the history: what may that be?) included and this cloud-service-365 that Iwould never ever use.Got it Thursday, May 28, timed out Sunday, May 31.I let it time out.Gerhard

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2020, 04:37:31 pm
content: Quote from: olkipukki on June 01, 2020, 04:16:00 pm

author: Elasia
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2020, 02:31:39 am
content: Pro tip... you can get them to go to 1k USD per year on the maintenance usually just by askingAlso it helps to explain your a one man shop / independent contractor

author: olkipukki
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2020, 02:54:40 pm
content: As far as I know, Altium is keep spamming with 'AD At An Unbeatable Price' for just £399 (x12) per month in UK

author: xjordanx
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2020, 03:34:02 pm
content: Not just for upgrades, just FYI. Search for "Altium EAGLE upgrade". Follow the prompts.

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2020, 06:18:27 pm
content: Not quite sure where the £399 (x12) in the UK comes from.But can confirm that we (UK based company) have been quoted £2665 for perpertual license (incl. first year upgrades and support FWIW) for £2665+VATThis would be: £3198 (incl. VAT). If you do it in twelve installaments (which the offer), they round it up to £2700+VAT=£3240So whichever way you cut it (VAT/noVAT) you wouldn't be paying £399(x12)=£4788

author: trevwhite
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2020, 01:05:03 pm
content: Do people think this is a good deal?

author: jayk
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 06:14:53 am
content: That's cheaper than the US. £2665 = $3375 + 20% VAT = $4050 - do I have that right? Here we're looking at $6K + local sales tax, which is 6-8% in most states.

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 08:10:35 am
content: Kicad has a lot of new features set to be dropped very soon, combined with a mostly complete altium importer, I suspect that may be influencing things, mix this in with the new kicad version likely breaking the existing kicad-altium importer.(Personally too cheap to ever think of 3K Euro for altium, so I am biased)

author: trevwhite
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 09:16:28 am
content: I manage with Circuit Studio okay ish. It's got its limitations but it works. Part of me feels that Altium treated Circuit Studio customers so badly that despite this looking like a decent offer I would be supporting a company that has shown it doesnt really care about its customers. Maybe they will say it's a different department but Altium put their name to it, took everyones money and left us hanging. No update in nearly 2 years. No actual relationship with customers. They did a money grab when eagle license changed and since then it feels they really didnt care. So I keep thinking this might be a really good price and payment terms are great but can I accept giving them my cash after they already treated me so badly...

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 09:39:17 am
content: I sprung for the Altium offer even though I have used KiCAD, a few of reasons I did it:1. Used Altium before and really liked it.2. Used KiCAD and whilst it's OK, I need something that is rock-solid and recently we've really needed features in Altium that KiCAD simply isn't there with.3. Felt the offer price was resonable and not worth the pain of changing to something else unknown (DIPtrace, etc..)We ran a license of Eagle about two years ago for 6 months - I really didn't get on with that at all. Still have a fully-blown license for EasyPC Pro (www.numberone.com), which I've kept for 25+years, although never user it now.If KiCAD and Altium get into an arms race then surely that will only benefit the wider community? But at the end of the day someone is paying - software engineers need to eat.

author: trevwhite
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 09:49:50 am
content: fcb: What features do you need from Altium?

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 10:04:34 am
content: We had issues with STEP files in KiCAD, flexi-rigid board folding - we use complex and extensive design rules in Altium.Not saying that KiCAD 5 is not great, it is, but Altium is better (at the moment). In time I'm sure KiCAD will get to the point where the differences are insignificant and that'll be exciting.

author: alexwhittemore
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2020, 02:24:13 pm
content: Quote from: Elasia on June 02, 2020, 02:31:39 amI got a call after clicking on the $500/mo*12mo link they emailed out to investigate. The deal became $300/mo when I said I'm a one man shop using Eagle currently.Now I just need to make sure I can keep getting the renewal half price, and maybe Altium will finally qualify as "affordable" for me

author: Gerhard_dk4xp
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2020, 08:34:16 am
content: Quote from: Gerhard_dk4xp on June 01, 2020, 04:33:58 pmThey have "bettered" their offer today from €1600+VAT to €2160+VAT.When I didn't bite last month for €560 less, why should I bite now?They fantasize about a current list price of €7995, with new,presumably higher prices from next month.Cite:jetzt heißt es schnell handeln! Von jetzt bis zum 30. Juni können SieIhre Legacy-Lizenz(en) für Altium Designer zum bisher niedrigsten Preisupgraden! Verpassen Sie nicht die letzte Gelegenheit für ein Upgradeauf Altium Designer 20 und sparen Sie bis zu 75% auf den Listenpreis."bisher niedrigsten Preis" == "lowest price ever"Gerhard

author: olkipukki
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2020, 03:31:56 pm
content: "New list pricing effective July 1st."Sounds like a next year renewal would be expensive than today

author: Spark-Doctor
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2020, 07:43:07 pm
content: I got the £2665 offer as well. They told me it was because it was an upgrade from Circuit Studio.QuoteYear 1 includes the maintenance package and 365/Concord Pro

author: Mangozac
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2020, 08:36:39 am
content: You guys are getting better offers than I have gotten!I'm looking at upgrading our existing AD11 seat and adding an additional seat but the AU$7200 I've been quoted for the additional seat is just too much to stomach.

author: SerieZ
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2020, 02:56:37 pm
content: I have been quoted 5400CHF and am wondering why it is so cheap in the UK.

author: alexwhittemore
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2020, 03:02:20 pm
content: Quote from: SerieZ on June 22, 2020, 02:56:37 pmThat's the same "default" deal the US is currently getting (USD$500/mo for 12mo). That gets a lot cheaper if you're a current Eagle user (or maybe if they're feeling nice?), so maybe ask about that?Otherwise, has anything ever been "cheap" in Switzerland?

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2020, 03:20:42 pm
content: Hold their feet to the fire - ask them! Or 'upgrade' to KiCAD - which is basically an existential threat to Altium.

author: Mangozac
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2020, 08:51:20 pm
content: Quote from: fcb on June 22, 2020, 03:20:42 pmI doubt they consider KiCAD to be a serious threat. As good as it is becoming, from what I've read it's still a long way from the level of functionality required in a professional environment to be a true competitor.

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2020, 09:18:30 pm
content: If they didn't consider KiCAD a threat then why have they released migration tools?Sure Altium is better than KiCAD, but KiCAD can design perfectly good boards - just a bit more difficult to drive, less stable and lacking some of the niceties that speed up design.KiCAD will keep Altium 'honest' and on-their-toes, perhaps stay a couple of years ahead.

author: alexwhittemore
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2020, 09:23:47 pm
content: At the VERY least, KiCad pushing up hard on the likes of Eagle is certainly relevant to Altium's lower-end customers (like me, most of the jobs I do).

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2020, 10:17:33 pm
content: Quote from: alexwhittemore on June 22, 2020, 03:02:20 pmSwiss cheese