Bleen - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: araugh
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 12, 2014, 06:25:59 pm
content: This one might be the worst I've come across. I guess a fool and his money etc. etc.Volumetric 3D projections with a small portable projector. Yeah, sure...https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bleen-3d-without-glasses"Delivery of perks listed on this page is subject to the best efforts of the team and similar to other crowdfunding campaigns not guaranteed. This disclaimer has been added to set reasonable expectations for our funders.Please note that any crowdfunding contributions are considered final, we do not offer refunds or product returns."

author: FrankenPC
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 12:27:30 am
content: Under their disclaimers:"Delivery of perks listed on this page is subject to the best efforts of the team and similar to other crowdfunding campaigns not guaranteed. This disclaimer has been added to set reasonable expectations for our funders.Please note that any crowdfunding contributions are considered final, we do not offer refunds or product returns."Not that I needed any evidence that this was a scam.

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 02:20:36 am
content: Anyone backing this is so ridiculously stupid that they deserve to lose their money, sorry.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 02:35:00 am
content: And with flexible funding they get every cent even if goal not met

author: JohnSL
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 03:40:38 am
content: They kept mentioning the pioneering work of Vladimir Titar, so I did a search for him. There is a Wikipedia page....but it was created this year. And there were some photos that showed up, but also from this year. A scientist of that level of prestige would definitely show up in a search. So my scam meter is pegged.

author: CaptCrash
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 04:13:12 am
content: How can you guys be skeptical.Its all perfectly clear, it uses a "space-time light modulator" as its projection system.

author: gxti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 04:35:21 am
content: Come on, they're wearing suits AND lab coats. I think they can be trusted.And their artistic director doesn't even look at the camera. She must be good.

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 06:03:18 am
content: Quote from: gxti on November 13, 2014, 04:35:21 amAfter reading the short bio of the guy on the left..."He is on the first-name basis with project management and while coordinating efforts directs them to the only right way"I'm convinced. I just wanted to be sure he was on a first name basis and directs them to the only right way.

author: aon
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 06:53:23 am
content: This is hilarious, it looks to me like even the logos on the shirts are photoshoppedFwiw, here's Vladimir Titar's patent SU 1813298 on "holographic television device":http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/181/1813298.html, so at least that part of it is true, and Googling the titles of the articles on his Wikipedia page does bring up results. Maybe someone with a better understanding of Russian and optical physics can comment more on these, but there probably is something of a gap between theory and consumer-grade implementation, like there often is with these sort of things.There also seem to be some Wikipedia authors that are really enthusiastic about these guys:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/LaoTzuRShttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Terry_Benedict. The talk page on Vladimir Titar brings up some more controversies, like prizes awarded to him that don't apparently exist at all.

author: cloudscapes
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 02:17:31 pm
content: Dark projection.Dear marketing artists and PR: STOP THIS. IT'S INSULTING TO CONSUMERS. YOU'RE INSULTING CONSUMERS. LITERALLY. YOU'RE SQUATTING OVER THE FACES OF THE CONSUMERS, AND FORCING YOUR BOWELS. WITH A BIG GRIN ON YOUR FACE. STOP.I'm so sick of marketing

author: electr_peter
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 04:00:40 pm
content: This scam is so obvious that 3-y old could write simple machine learning algorithm detecting this scam with 100% probability.Real 3D projection screen is somewhat possible and somewhat usable for niche applications. These guys put years of R&D into it:

author: corrado33
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 10:51:07 pm
content: Quote from: electr_peter on November 13, 2014, 04:00:40 pmThat's super cool! Would NOT want to get hit with that laser though.

author: mswhin63
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2014, 01:12:27 am
content: Quote from: JohnSL on November 13, 2014, 03:40:38 amI noticed teh Wikipedia page is also being considered for deletion.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2014, 01:28:31 am
content: QuoteYea, I'm sure those emails go straight to the trash bin!

author: mikerj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2014, 12:17:01 pm
content: Quote from: CaptCrash on November 13, 2014, 04:13:12 amalready did that

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2014, 10:56:19 am
content: No way I'm buying this, doesnt has an iphone support.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2014, 04:26:27 pm
content: I love the linked paper from CMU supposedly proving that their stuff works - it is a paper about a particular computer vision technique for 3D reconstruction, i.e. nothing at all to do with any of their claims (or anything with image generation whatsoever).meter goes offscale here ...

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2014, 01:51:32 am
content: Quote from: gxti on November 13, 2014, 04:35:21 amTo me they look more as two Iranian engineers at an underground nuclear facility

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2014, 02:40:18 am
content: Please rest assured that your Bleen is going to be built using the (t)rusted technology, including the Soviet era RF voltmeter that is sitting on the bench behind the ostrich egg.The photo does look as a typical high-tech Lab in San Francisco, California, United StatesEhmm, did I forget to say *tube* voltmeter ?

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2014, 02:56:12 am
content: I wish i had an ostrich egg in my lab.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2014, 05:14:27 pm
content: Quote from: pickle9000 on November 26, 2014, 02:56:12 amThe egg is very rich, and not to every person's taste. The meat however is delicious, had it for dinner last night. Noe must go get some more.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2014, 05:59:54 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on November 26, 2014, 05:14:27 pmI remember the episode of Survivorman where he was in the outback and had been given an Ostrich egg to eat. He waited until he hadn't eaten for a couple of days to cook and eat it... Boy did he get the shits bad! Ended up eating charcoal from the fire debris and laying around all day.Sent from my Smartphone

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2014, 07:52:20 pm
content: Quote from: timb on November 26, 2014, 05:59:54 pmI haven't tried the ostrich eggs, but I have to concur with pickle9000 about the meat - I ate it once as an ostrich steak and wow, that was really delicious! It isn't easy to get, though

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2014, 08:17:55 pm
content: Can't someone report projects that violate laws of physics to IGG? If a report is made will IGG take the blame?Alexander.

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 28, 2014, 03:13:36 am
content: Quote from: firewalker on November 27, 2014, 08:17:55 pmThey don't seem to care... their attitude is "buyer beware"

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2014, 05:47:59 pm
content: I don't believe that the "buyer beware" protects IGG against the law. People should go against IGG.Alexander.

author: Noise Floor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2014, 08:06:55 pm
content: So how many of the folks are actors (vs in on the scam), that is what I'm curious about.