Why Tesla cars are the BEST EVs and Tesla is the best car company - Page 1
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author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2020, 11:29:42 am
content: As much as I am not really a fan of Elon or Tesla. After watching this video one has to give credit where cried it due. Tesla is the car company of the future. Tesla sure puts all of the other car companies. ICE and EV to shame. As drug crazy ELon can be at times, he sure is brilliant.Watch the video before commenting.https://youtu.be/9l6DPwKHWpY

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2020, 05:25:26 am
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 04, 2020, 11:29:42 amThe best thing Musk did for the car business was to shit-can the franchised-dealer system and sell direct. Car dealers are lower than pond scum.

author: hendorog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2020, 08:33:26 pm
content: I think this video is worth a watch for the casual tesla observer. Links many things together to expose what may be the master plan.https://youtu.be/pP971PYzQJs

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2020, 09:02:51 pm
content: Quote from: hendorog on September 08, 2020, 08:33:26 pmWhere's the information? The video is 40 minutes long of these guys babble back and forth with stupid videos inserted. I find this video painful to watch.

author: hendorog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2020, 09:11:40 pm
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 08, 2020, 09:02:51 pmYes I agree. Videos are a shit way to communicate information. Lets start summarising them instead of just posting them shall we?My take on it is the video goes through the implications of:* Maxwell solid state electrolytes and how that leads to:* A million mile battery which permits:* Grid connected vehicles and how that enables:* Virtual power plants which lead to:* Increasing income for Tesla by 50% without them having to do anything much at all.It makes some of the issues that have been raised here go away:* High cost of new V2G chargers - paid for by the passive income* High cost of Teslas - now you have a car, and half a dozen powerwalls for free* Battery degradation of EV's - now they don't degrade.* Depreciation of Teslas - much reduced if the battery has a big warranty* Replacement of batteries of old Teslas - well its worth it now as your new battery enables V2G and you can earn money.Like I said, it is worth a watch. All speculation of course.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2020, 09:15:45 pm
content: Quote from: hendorog on September 08, 2020, 09:11:40 pmI will disagree, there are videos on YouTube which are fantastic. Dave's videos are very good. And the ones Sandy Murano talking about Tesla are very good as well. What makes them good is they are too the point, short, and don't have useless video clips inserted. I have learned a lot from their videos.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2020, 09:21:28 pm
content: Can anyone tell me why Tesla and the other EV car manufactures are NOT using nano-diamond self-charging batteries?Dave has a wonderful video should all of the benefits of self-charging batteries.

author: hendorog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2020, 09:23:27 pm
content: Ok whatever. I'm not arguing about long videos with the guy who starts the thread by posting a long video linkI thought it contained interesting information, and it was worth the irritation of sitting through.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2020, 09:52:33 pm
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 08, 2020, 09:02:51 pmYou did the exact same thing. I'm not going to watch your 37 minute long video.No, Tesla does not have the holy grail of electric cars. Nor is it the best for the environment. Nor does it produce quality cars IMHO. It produces desirable cars, and its biggest product is dreams. Dreams that the car will be self driving, and the company will be just the best and biggest ever, so invest now.It is a long con. Dont believe me? Look at the power stage of the inverter of a model 3 and compare it to a 2010 Prius inverter. One is a bunch of off the shelf transistors bolted on a huge heatsink. The other is an electronics housing, carefully integrated cooling, with custom power stage transistor dies carefully laid out. I let you figure out which one is which.Tesla's huge technical invention is a slightly larger 18650.What do you think will happen, when other manufacturers will deem the battery technology good enough? I tell you what, it will be a bloody massacre.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2020, 09:58:03 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 08, 2020, 09:52:33 pmHave you watched the short to the point videos where Sandy Murno discusses the "Tesla Lies", "Tesla's Biggest Flaw" and "Tesla's Battery Advantage"? All are on YouTube.Sandy might provide some additional information that might change your mind.

author: f4eru
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2020, 04:59:41 pm
content: QuoteThey'll realize that they are 5 years late ?QuoteYep. Many old school OEMs will simply disappear like Kodak did. Too little, too late.Examples I see coming: Mazda. Honda. Fiat.Perhaps Toyota also.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2020, 05:04:43 pm
content: Quote from: f4eru on September 09, 2020, 04:59:41 pmCapitalist Darwinism - Survival of the fittest.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2020, 06:28:27 pm
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 08, 2020, 09:58:03 pmWhy don't you just go out and buy one? It seems the logical conclusion of starting all these Tesla do it / are the best threads.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2020, 06:41:44 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on September 09, 2020, 06:28:27 pmI'm really tempted to place an order for a CyberTruck. Looks ugly. But after listening to Sandy talk about how Tesla went about designing it, I am VERY tempted. And I use my truck as a truck. So I expect the beat the shit out of it.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2020, 09:30:09 pm
content: It baffles me that Toyota has nearly no EV presence yet must be watching the growth of Tesla and VW in the electric vehicle field with some curiosity.They do have the Lexus EV just recently announced but it only supports 50kW Chademo and has a 54kWh battery, yet it only get a 180 mile real world range.I am sorry when even Peugeot has a better EV SUV than you (200 mile range, 100kW charging via CCS, 50kWh battery) then you need to think twice.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2020, 09:45:49 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on September 09, 2020, 09:30:09 pmThe use of Chademo in 2020 is a bit odd, but other that that the Lexus EV looks like most other EVs appearing recently. Indifferent, but not horrible range, and a rather high price tag.Comparing the Peugeot to the heavier Lexus and saying the Lexus is bad for achieving a comparable range from a comparable sized battery seems a little odd. I wonder what they are like in real use? Some EVs seem to get a lot closer to the rated range than others, especially when driving at speed on a motorway. Some really do badly at speed, which is rather unfortunate - its those long fast drives where the range is really important.Which company has the most long term experience of putting high power electronics and motors in a vehicle? Its not Tesla. Its Toyota. It seems Toyota helped Tesla develop some of its early technology, when they still owned a chunk of Tesla (I think they have now sold off all their shares for some reason). Toyota appears to be investing in next generation batteries. I suspect they are getting all the pieces in place, while pushing and furthering their expertise in hybrid vehicles, and waiting for the right moment to really start moving away from ICE power. Remember, most Toyotas are not expensive cars. Everyone else has really struggled to make effective EVs to compete with budget priced ICE cars,.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 01:03:58 am
content: Quote from: tom66 on September 09, 2020, 09:30:09 pmThey said, that either they make millions of hybrids or thousands of EVs. Making millions of EVs is better for the environment. They wanted to introduce the first solid state battery on the Olympics, with cars on the market in 2025. What do you think will happen, if you suddenly could buy a Corolla EV with 500KM range, for half the price than the model 3.Toyota is not going to put a LiIon battery in their car. Because they sometimes become a fireball, and it doesnt fit the brand's image, they have the most reliable cars. They also have the technology for the engines, the LS600h has a 220hp electric motor casually added as second motor too the car. That is more added power to a hybrid, than the Leaf or the Kona.I dont think Tesla will introduce a solid state battery this month. They dont have a secret gigafactory on the dark side of the moon, ready to make solid state batteries. If they introduce it, they practically loose all the sales until they switch to that battery. Nobody in their right mind would buy a LiIon anymore, if in 1-2 year you get twice the range or half the price.Mazda teamed up with Toyota. The VW group already proved, that they can create EVs, which are just simply better than Teslas. But i think the only reason they made the ID3, because of the Dieselgate. And VW doesnt stand alone, they have companies, like Bosch and Continental supplying half their parts. The 3 company has over a million people. Compare this to the 50000 people at Tesla.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 01:22:58 am
content: I wonder if Toyota will be the Kodak of car the car companies. Kodak created the first digital camera, but they were in the paper business. No one at Kodak wanted to embrace filmless/paperless photography as this employed 60,0000 people. They fraught the technology they created thinking no one would ever want to look at digital photos. Didn't take very long for a fruit company (that Kodak once partnered with) to make a phone, music player, camera/photo viewer that required no film or time for developing. Only took about 10 years for a 100 year old company with 60,000 employees to be bankrupt.We should be calling this the disruption era. Where small startup companies have disrupted and bankrupted or nearly bankrupted some the the biggest companies in the world. It's going to be interesting if Toyota will be the next Kodak in 5 years.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 01:33:41 am
content: Only reason Tesla hasn't gone under is the US Government. Toyota is fine with or without government assistance so I'd say Tesla is significantly more likely to go under than Toyota.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 01:54:34 am
content: Quote from: maginnovision on September 10, 2020, 01:33:41 amAre you implying the United States Government never provided any assistance to Toyota, GM or Chrysler? Ford claims to not have recently accepted government financial assistance but not sure if that's true or not. I often wonder what the car industry would be like today if GM have gone bankrupt. Would it have leveled the playing field for Byton, Faraday, Fisker, Inc., Lucid, Polestar, Rivian and SF Motors?We are all speculating on how this experiment is going to play out.... There are as many plot changes as a good book or movie. We just won't know for 10 or 20 years. In the mean time get another bucket of popcorn and root for your favorite car company or technology weather it be ICE, EV or PHEV? Can we all agree Fuel Cell and Hydrogen powered vehicles are about as likely to be in widespread use as flying cars.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 02:06:45 am
content: I didn't say Toyota received no US Government assistance but they'd be fine if they hadn't. My evidence is they make a profit regardless. I literally said nothing about Chrysler, GM, or Ford. If Tesla hadn't they wouldn't be around at all. I'm also not rooting for anyone(Tesla and Toyota only make ugly cars as far as I'm concerned). I also don't really care if cars go Gas, Electric, Hydrogen or anything else just so long as they serve the purpose I need them to. If anything I'd root for my previous employer, BMW, but I'm not because they don't pay me anymore. I do still get the discounts though so I am biased.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 02:12:07 am
content: Quote from: maginnovision on September 10, 2020, 01:33:41 amTesla has spent most of its life tettering on the brink of collapse, but I think it has now reached critical mass. I wouldn't be surprised to see its share price tumble, though. Its current valuation seems to have lost touch with reality.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 02:16:16 am
content: Quote from: maginnovision on September 10, 2020, 02:06:45 amJust as when I was 12, I'm rooting for the flying cars. Remember the Moler Flying Car? I think he flew the first one around 1980.

author: tszaboo
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timestamp: September 22, 2020, 11:25:22 pm
content: So, battery day is over, no solid state battery. Small, incremental changes, pretty much on the curve that we were expecting.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2020, 11:49:19 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 22, 2020, 11:25:22 pmProbably what you and I were expecting, but the build up in the media for this event has been truly deranged.

author: hendorog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2020, 11:57:13 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on September 22, 2020, 11:49:19 pmYep very much a mis-read. Long way to go to implement all the small improvements they presented too.

author: reubeno
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timestamp: September 23, 2020, 06:37:51 am
content: Any idea what this means, which is being reported in multiple news sources.“Tesla’s new larger cylindrical cells will provide five times more energy, six times more power and 16% greater driving range, Musk said, adding that full production is about three years away.”5x more energy and 6x more power but only 16% improvement in range? Eh? If capacity / energy density improved 5x then the range would be increased by the same factor or they’d use much smaller batteries to deliver the same capacity!

author: Daixiwen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 06:50:14 am
content: They are probably also 4 times biggerIf you really found a means of increasing the energy density by 400% it's time to open a project on indiegogo

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 07:01:12 am
content: Quote from: coppice on September 22, 2020, 11:49:19 pmCould have all the hype been a way to keep the press focused on Tesla and away from Nikola’s “better” battery technology which tuned out to be a scam. But looks like GM fell for it.

author: darkstar49
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 08:27:00 am
content: Sorry to say, seen from Europe, this looks like a lot of fuss for a company that barely has above 1% market share...And while the name "Tesla" migh convey its part of the 'American Dream', things are a lot more 'nuanced' in Europe...- the price tag of (nice) EVs will remain at a level that is out-of-range for a large portion of those needing a car- highway speed limits are NOT 55/60mph, and most people exceed the limits anyway, so the range figures are miles away from reality, and thus not practical for many people- Tesla is still far from the build/material quality of Audi, Mercedes & Co, and people spending around 100K on a car just don't look for technology only- got no figures, but with around 2-3% EVs, many people complain about the availability of (super)chargers, so how will this go with 20- or even 50% EVs ? how long will it take to expand the infrastructure, will the technology still be the most efficient one when that will have happened, etc...?- Many countries in Europe are pushing hard towards collective transportation (and even forbid access to large portions of cities to individual cars) , and tend to discourage people to buy individual cars... many people are NOT willing to spend so much money, while so many uncertainties remain...- EVs currently use electricity produced for 80% by nuclear and/or gas plants- ...While I agree that what Tesla has accomplished so far is remarkable, there are many, many open questions... and I don't see Tesla's future as bright as Elon wants it to be...

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 08:35:31 am
content: He seems to be the only guy capable of announcing a bright future and wiping $50bn of his company's value at the same time!:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54244612

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 09:31:54 am
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 23, 2020, 07:01:12 amAt this point, I'm quite certain, I could sell to GM the Brooklyn bridge.Quote from: Gyro on September 23, 2020, 08:35:31 amThe P/E ratio of Tesla is over 1000. The average for automotive industry is 15. Maybe Tesla is overvalued and over hyped.Quote from: darkstar49 on September 23, 2020, 08:27:00 amThe average sales price for a new car was 29000 EUR in 2018 in the EU28 countries. The ID3 is 36000 EUR, and you get subsidy in many countries. With this in mind, I would say an EV is right now could target 30-50% of car sales here.And Mercedes just released their solid state battery:https://insideevs.com/news/444449/mercedes-benz-ecitaro-g-solid-state-battery/Yes it is a bus. I guess it is easier to make a big box of batteries and replace an existing box of batteries, than integrating it into a production car. That take time. But the point is, it is out of the lab. 25% higher energy density than NMC, longer life.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 11:31:25 am
content: Quote from: reubeno on September 23, 2020, 06:37:51 amThey do say larger cylindrical cells. I expect this means each cell is about 5x(1-0.16) times as big, with a bit lower internal resistance so it can put out 6 times the power. In the same space they will get about 16% more range.

author: f4eru
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 11:33:56 am
content: Quote from: darkstar49 on September 23, 2020, 08:27:00 amYes, people forget to calculate TCO. That's a big mistake. Also, those cars will be available on the used market in 1-2 years for people with tight budget.Quote from: darkstar49 on September 23, 2020, 08:27:00 amDoes not matter. Range issues have been resolved.Quote from: darkstar49 on September 23, 2020, 08:27:00 am100k what? A Model 3 costs 40k today in Europe, cheaper than a VW Passat with the same options.Next year, the model3 prices are expected to be reduced, once production starts in Europe, and there will be no more import and transport costs. I therefore expect a model 3 at a price under 35 000 euro next summer.Quote from: darkstar49 on September 23, 2020, 08:27:00 amI got figures. Germany is now at 6,5% BEV and growing.https://www.cleanthinking.de/elektroauto-verkaufszahlen-august-umweltbonus-beschleunigt-verkaeufe/VW just released the ID.3, and sells 10 000 of those in September.France has 5% BEV now, and strangely, 15% hybrid :https://www.20minutes.fr/economie/auto/2802743-20200618-automobile-ventes-voitures-electriques-hybrides-envolent-mois-juinNorway is at 60% BEV.Charging infrastructure is good in Germany, and is growing together with the cars. Other countries are following slowly.Outdated single "triple charger" stations get replaced by huge charging parks with 20-100 CCS stalls, like this one:https://youtu.be/0hpTBz-uW7U?t=413Quote from: darkstar49 on September 23, 2020, 08:27:00 amWrong. They close cities to older ICE cars. Newer will get on the list soon.Quote from: darkstar49 on September 23, 2020, 08:27:00 amTotally wrong. 46% renewable in Germany, and growing each year.https://strom-report.de/strom/

author: ahbushnell
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 02:50:34 pm
content: Quote from: reubeno on September 23, 2020, 06:37:51 amSounds like the energy density increased 16%. It stores 5 times the energy because the volume is bigger.

author: darkstar49
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 03:14:19 pm
content: Quote from: f4eru on September 23, 2020, 11:33:56 amsorry, your figures are vaporware...Yes, a model S costs 100K, just like the X (even more !), not all Tesla's are cheap !!Yes, you're ignoring that we'll live on with a used cars market for decades, with many, many people that will NOT spend 30 or 40k on a car, especially when this becomes less interesting from a fiscal perspective, in some countries, nearly 50% of new cars are company cars, and companies will buy far less cars in the years to come, as this will get more and more taxedNo, whatever you pretend, many cities in Europe are pushing cars out of their centers, whatever you pretend (been in The Netherlands). Just need to check how much place has been taken from car lanes for bicycles these last month, and this will go on !!!No, Germany is NOT all of Europe, and the average (in Europe) 'clean' electricity is not at 40 to 50% !!No, the range issue has NOT been solved, this is BS !!! I have enough colleagues driving the 'long range' model S, with their stories when they have to cross Europe... no thanks, I'll keep mine for the time being !!!etc...My view is that you present a totally biased view on the current situation... again, don't know where you live, but the average in Europe is NOT as you pretend it is... and the technology may have RADICALLY changed by the time EVs would be ready for 'everyone'... with 5kg of hydrogen, you've got roughly the same range as with the 600kg battery pack of the S, I don't know whether driving 600kg (or more ?) of batteries around is the way to go... I'm just saying those who claim loud that EVs are the only possible future, are simply lying... maybe in 20 years, but no one knows what it's gonna look like in 20 years...

author: maginnovision
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timestamp: September 23, 2020, 04:03:28 pm
content: Just to clarify the new battery is 5.5x the volume of the current.

author: ahbushnell
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timestamp: September 23, 2020, 10:32:03 pm
content: Quote from: maginnovision on September 23, 2020, 04:03:28 pmThe other factor is packing density. I would guess larger batteries would have a better packing factor. But that's a guess.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 10:49:30 pm
content: In the Sandy Munro video about batteries he was talking about cooling. The packing of a cylindrical battery provides a lot of cooling.

author: coppice
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timestamp: September 23, 2020, 10:53:02 pm
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 23, 2020, 10:49:30 pmThey seem to refer to the new batteries as cylindrical. Fat cylinders don't pack as well as thin cylinders. The new cells might be a lot longer, rather than a lot fatter, but I doubt they are 5.5 times as long.

author: wraper
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timestamp: September 23, 2020, 10:56:55 pm
content: Quote from: darkstar49 on September 23, 2020, 03:14:19 pm5kg of crappygen as it currently stands. As it's currently produced, it's less ecological than simply driving on gasoline. Also fuel nor fuel cells, nor hydrogen tanks are weightless. Not to say fuel cells are very expensive to produce since they need around 50g of platinum and have poor life.QuoteTry doing that on hydrogen.

author: ahbushnell
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timestamp: September 23, 2020, 11:39:44 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on September 23, 2020, 10:53:02 pmIt's fatter

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 01:45:37 am
content: 4680 cell is much thicker an a little bit longer than 2170. The thing is that due to much lower internal resistance they can make it much thicker and charge faster. And with larger diameter, energy density increases. BTW that 16% energy density increase is on the form factor alone, there are other things as well.Not to say the most impressing advancements are on it's manufacturing technology which allows to streamline production to some bizarre extent. Among them 10x smaller factory footprint for the same production capacity.

author: sandalcandal
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timestamp: September 24, 2020, 02:21:22 am
content: Incase people missed it, some pretty in depth discussion of Battery Day announcements with Sandy Munroe, Bob Galyen (Battery Technology Advisor) and John McElroy (Automotive Industry Journalist/Expert). Easily more combined experience there than anybody here has been alive.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 02:43:37 am
content: Do the figures presented here seem accurate?

author: ahbushnell
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 04:05:11 am
content: Quote from: sandalcandal on September 24, 2020, 02:21:22 amVery interesting.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 10:04:46 am
content: That video is well worth watching. What Elon and his team of engineers have done and are doing is incredible. As much as I was not a fan of Elon, you sure need to give him the respect he deserves. He truly is the Edison, Tesla and Ford of our generation.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 10:12:31 am
content: Quote from: sandalcandal on September 24, 2020, 02:21:22 amThese are the same "experts" that said Tesla is going to introduce a solid state battery?And the ones, that claim that the Model 3 gained 10% range with a bunch of hose pipes?OK < I think it is safe to skip the video.

author: sandalcandal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 10:31:12 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 24, 2020, 10:12:31 amNo idea where you saw that stuff or what you're talking about with hose pipes. Closest I've seen is claims originating from Elon Musk himself about the heat pump system in the modelYhttps://cleantechnica.com/2020/08/03/teslas-octovalve-enabled-a-staggering-10-increase-in-range-for-the-model-y/

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 11:05:42 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 24, 2020, 10:12:31 amNot sure how else to say it but you areWRONG.If you would have wanted the video they talk about Solid State Batteries and how irrelevant they are to Tesla.In this video they talk about the gain Tesla gets with a “bunch of hoses”. It is brilliant!Next time watch the video before posting a bunch of lies and telling others not to watch it.This video is WORTH watching if you are into EV battery technology, hydrogen powered vehicles, and how brilliant Elon and the folks at Tesla are. Don’t tell people not to watch a video if you take the time to watch it yourself.In the future try making positive factual posts instead of negative ones filled with lies.

author: f4eru
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 11:06:58 am
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 24, 2020, 02:43:37 amYes, they are on point, a good estimation.Energy efficiency is one of the most important point for running costs, and those figures are correct.Thanks for the video, the reaction from Sandy is what I was waiting for

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 11:25:37 am
content: Thanks for the confirmation.I didn’t post the video, but did watch it. Wasn’t it good? Sandy has such a good way of analyzing and presenting what really matters. I was hoping they would talk about Nikola. They said they received some questions and then briefly talked about hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Appears Nikola’s trucks are as good as Theranos blood testing machines.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 12:32:18 pm
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 24, 2020, 11:25:37 amRaising the topic of scammers wouldn't really help the conversation, would it? Every new technology attracts scammers. They are pretty much a given, and anything they say needs to be excluded from the conversation, as it can only derail it.

author: f4eru
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 12:51:40 pm
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 24, 2020, 11:25:37 amYes. Really, for a company speaking about producing anything, not being even able to make a proto EV run without a fuel cell shows they have no clue, only ppt presentations.Running an EV conversion from off the shelf parts is trivial for an engineer. Selling your concept is trivial for a marketeer.Nikola seems to be full of Marketeers, without a single electrical engineer in sight.Still looking at the video. They speak about FCEVs at 1h20 in the video.Fuel cell are not for cars. it's that simple. They are acceptable for localized seasonal energy storage.They have no. single. advantage. whatsoever over a battery inside a car.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2020, 04:03:17 pm
content: That’s my thought as well.