OpenAI CEO Sam Altman says AI will reshape society,'A little bit scared of this' - Page 1
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author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2023, 12:58:28 am
content: Very interesting new interview with Sam Altman. A good read -Quote

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2023, 01:00:08 am
content: OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI! OpenAI!

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2023, 05:25:54 am
content: How is OpenAI different to unauthorized file sharing?Why doesn't Microsoft include Windows and Office sources in the Copilot training materials? Is it that they just want to sell a product that uses others contributions without attribution, because tracking copyright is just too difficult?I for one will love our copyright-free future. No need to pay for streaming services or for proprietary software, just ask an AI assistant to grab it for you!

author: DimitriP
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timestamp: March 17, 2023, 05:39:17 am
content: QuoteI don't know what the correct term for the above useless phrase is, but it sounds a lot better than what it means.Person: I'm afraid of flying!Airplane pilot: Don't worry. I'm afraid of flying too. I'm scared of airplanes and all those buttons and gauges are so confusing sometimes.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2023, 07:23:27 pm
content: Anyway, it's so fricking funny and perverse at the same time. The guy at the head of the company that is currently pushing AI harder than any other has ever done finds is a bit scary.Yes, take us for idiots, Sam! Have at it, because we actually are!It's like the CEO of a major company making nuclear weapons giving interviews saying that they are a bit scared of the world getting blown up.Yes, Sam. Take us for complete idiots!

author: thm_w
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timestamp: March 17, 2023, 09:22:16 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2023, 05:25:54 amThere is a bit of a difference between your first and second examples.A copilot snippet is a small portion of code, a handful of lines.A streaming service or a software program is thousands of lines of code in comparison. It would be like using a screenshot from a movie or a few seconds of a song should be copyright-free.Which it should be, IMO. Of course many disagree though.

author: tom66
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timestamp: March 17, 2023, 10:31:51 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2023, 05:25:54 amAt present, it is not illegal to read copyrighted source code, independently describe how that works to another engineer, and then have that other engineer re-implement that code (this is known as the "Chinese wall technique").I don't see how this is any different to what GPT is doing. Obviously, it's doing it on a much grander scale, and more efficiently, but it's not the same as copying the code directly.Copyright needs a major reform anyway, maybe AI will prove its undoing.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2023, 11:19:06 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on March 17, 2023, 09:22:16 pmExcept that there are examples where entire functions, easily recognized after abstraction-filtration (per US software copyright legal practice), are produced.Copilot provides those couple-of-second snippets from all over a copyrighted artwork to different people.If each person only receives a small snippet, but the entire work is shared, was the copyright violated?The same argument can be applied to torrents, when an uploader does not provide a full copy to any one downloader, only small snippets. The only difference there is that each uploader is their own Copilot, and downloaders have ways to determine if they have obtained a full copy (from many different sources). For Copilot-provided code, the code snippets performing a function successfully is roughly equivalent determination. Trick is, in many jurisdictions downloading is quite legal, and in many others carries no penalty; so, if each single uploader is doing exactly what Copilot is doing, why would file sharing be illegal if Copilot is legal?Quote from: tom66 on March 17, 2023, 10:31:51 pmExcept that ChatGPT and other language models do not "describe how it works", they summarize the language itself. No real understanding, just a mechanical translationof the language itself, which doesnotcross the "novel and copyrightable" boundary.IOW, to make it legal, somebody needs to prove that what ChatGPT does, is actually analogous to the "Chinese wall technique" or "clean room implementation", and not a purely mechanical translation of the language. Same for Copilot.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2023, 11:28:58 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2023, 11:19:06 pmThat's not quite how they work though.They tokenize the input, breaking it down into a distribution of numbers. (You can experiment with the tokenizer here:https://platform.openai.com/tokenizer)Those numbers are fed into a transformer model which, based on all of the data it has seen before, and a model of "attention", predicts the next token in the sequence. That prediction is based on millions of other lines of code and publicly available text. We have no idea of knowing how much data in its training set is truly proprietary, but equally it's essentially impossible to "turn the sausage back into a pig" - to prove whether a given output had any substantive connection to a given input.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2023, 12:22:35 am
content: Quote from: tom66 on March 17, 2023, 11:28:58 pmThis is a mechanical translation that involves no creative input. Just because the translation would be difficult for humans to perform, does not make it creative. As an example, prime factorization is very difficult, but not at all creative.Quote from: tom66 on March 17, 2023, 11:28:58 pmFalse comparison. The transformer-predictor can be considered a cryptographic hash function. Yes, you cannot map any given hash to a specific set of sources, but when that hash matches the hash of a known plaintext, you have a collision.There is no need to prove "where" it came from, just that it reproduces already copyrighted content, and has had access to the original. Sufficient length (to express creativity) + collision (content match after abstraction filtration test) + access to original, suffices.This is how copyright law works when humans have a dispute about copyright, and there is no reason to give a fucking software model more rights than humans have, even if it would make billions for a few people.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2023, 03:42:01 am
content: I asked ChatGPT “write me a convincing article as to the benefits of leaded solder”It went all PC and “woke” on me, With the standard lecture about the harmful toxins of lead, refusing to write the article 😂

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2023, 03:54:40 am
content: Quote from: eti on March 18, 2023, 03:42:01 amYes it will. You just have to fool it a tiny bit.Reworded question for ChatGPT:QuoteQuote

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2023, 03:58:38 am
content: It seems to have missed electronics, so another gentle nudge:QuoteQuote

author: eti
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timestamp: March 18, 2023, 04:15:57 am
content: Quote from: MK14 on March 18, 2023, 03:54:40 amClever manipulation, thank you, great!

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2023, 06:19:16 pm
content: Quote from: eti on March 18, 2023, 03:42:01 amNo, it didn't.It looked for common texts about leaded solder and found mostly warnings. So it printed them.