FS: Brand New Keysight DSOX3014T Touchscreen Scope REDUCED AGAIN* $2300!!! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2015, 02:54:41 pm
content: Now asking $3300Now asking $2800Now asking $2500Now asking $2300(!!!)List price is $4000. I just purchased from another user here about a month ago for $3300.It's 100% unused, never turned on, complete in box, with Keysight's warranty (good until January 2018).I am willing to ship this unit anywhere.Decided a (much more expensive) DSOX3034T would be better for my needs.Just thought I'd offer it here before putting on ebay.I have about 400 positive reviews on Ebay if needed as a reference.I should mention this is a 4-Channel, 100Mhz (software upgradable to 200Mhz, return to Keysight for upgrade up to 1Ghz), 5 GSa/s, 4 mpts, 1,000,000 waveforms per sec+, 8.5" inch touchscreen scope.

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 07, 2015, 09:38:57 pm
content: Probes? Country of origin? I wouldn't want to pay customs for it.

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2015, 10:51:25 pm
content: It's complete, which means 4x 500mhz probes are included, of course brand new sealed in the bag and unused like the scope. I received the scope sealed in the box from Keysight.Country of origin is Malaysia.Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.(while I don't normally get involved in international shipping because of all the paperwork involved, I'm making an exception in this case and would be happy to work with international buyers)I'm in the US, by the way.

author: donkey77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2015, 09:17:15 am
content: Would it not work out better value to send this one back to Keysight for an upgrade to 350Mhz? Option dsoxt3b1t34u

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2015, 02:39:20 pm
content: I would have saved a little money doing it that way, but Keysight told me the parts for upgrading the front end were on a 7 week backorder+shipping and shop time. I'm impatient, and Newark Electronics had DSOX3034T's in stock.

author: donkey77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2015, 10:10:54 pm
content: Fair enough. 7 weeks seems a little excessive, must be busy over there. Enjoy your new toy!

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2015, 03:33:21 pm
content: Price reduced to $2500.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2015, 04:44:59 pm
content: How much is shipping to Germany?Is the original sales invoice available?

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2015, 05:36:32 pm
content: It seems you had a very bad negative feedback on your ebay account about one year ago.What happened?You should at least add your own comment for correction, otherwise it looks really bad.

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2015, 05:51:01 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on July 13, 2015, 05:36:32 pmLOL, you're right, there was a single bad feedback left a year ago. My one and only negative out of hundreds of positives.You'll also notice the positive feedback on very expensive items sold both before and after the negative one.The reason for the negative feedback in that isolated incident was this: The buyer insisted I use the Post Office to send the item. The PO never scanned the tracking number, the buyer thought I didn't send it and went straight to ebay to file a claim.She was given a full refund.I filed an insurance claim and was reimbursed for the lost item by the post office, but there was nothing I could do about that negative feedback. You'll notice it was left by a very inexperienced ebay user.

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2015, 05:59:29 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on July 13, 2015, 04:44:59 pmShipping with full insurance is $84 for delivery in 4 business days. It weighs 14 pounds.

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2015, 08:20:22 pm
content: Reduced again. This is a steal at this price.Please, no more time wasters.Terms are simple:Buyer pays for shipping method of their choiceNothing additional is included besides the scope, accessories and documentation as included from the factory. (and yes, that means 4 500MHz probes).

author: Pinkus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 12:55:12 am
content: Helloooo Mc Fly, anybody home?This is a great deal!!! If I wouldn't own an a MSOX3024a I would buy this one (I would have have bought it for 2.5k before).I am really wondering it takes so long to sell it. Maybe because it is holiday season.@GlowingGhoul: If nobody grabs it here now, place it on Ebay. Even with 10% Ebay fee you will probably earn more (but better wait until September when the holiday season ends). Advise: show some shippings costs eg. USPS package.

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 07:21:54 pm
content: Has the T variant been hacked yet?

author: Pinkus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2015, 10:52:53 am
content: it seems you placed the scope on Ebay now. Unfortunately you choosed the (almost) fraudulent Ebay Global Shipping Program (Ebay shows $53 shipping PLUS $339 VAT and tax) The problem: such a unit will be purchased usually by a company or self employed engineers. They would be able to claim the import tax and import VAT back. The Ebay Global Shipping Program says they will cover this but never give you a receipt or anything so you cannot claim this import VAT back = lost money.Much better for the buyer would be, if you do not use the GSP but to show e.g. DHL or USPS or UPS costs of $100 or $150 and let people deal with their VAT and tax locally. At least I will never ever again purchase something from a seller using the Global shipping program (or only $10 crap - but nothing expensive) after I fall into this trap once. Just google for Ebay and "Global Shipping Program".Good luck selling it - the final sum will be well above $2000, probably >$2500.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2015, 12:42:24 pm
content: Claiming tax back isn't a problem -been there done that-. Fire your bookkeeper!The real problem is that the global shipping program is another way of Ebay and Paypal to also get an extra 10% to 15% from the import taxes.

author: ElektroQuark
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 19, 2015, 01:11:41 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico onTodayat 12:42:24Tell that to Toploser!

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2015, 01:20:53 pm
content: I have used ebay's GSP a few times. Getting the VAT and the Taxes and Duties back has not been possible for me or my tax accountant, because it is not fulfilling the German tax requirements.That being said, GSP also has its benefits.I now can order anything from the US that would previously never pass the German customs inspection. Well, this might not last long and the loop hole will be closed soon. Also delivery in general is much much faster with GSP.But for large items, like this scope, I would have it shipped only by FEDEX to Germany, because they are taken care of all the paperwork and I get a real Tax invoice for the taxes and duties and ....

author: Mark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2015, 06:35:12 pm
content: It's showing $383 shipping and $332 tax for me, sorry for being stupid as I've never used GSP before, but would I have to pay both those charges or does shipping include the tax figure?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2015, 07:00:37 pm
content: You have to pay both.

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2015, 07:13:11 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 19, 2015, 07:00:37 pmNo, not correct, $382 is the combined total.Shipping: $50.35Taxes (estimated) : $332.63United KingdomInternational Priority ShippingEstimated between Sat. Aug. 1 and Sat. Aug. 8

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2015, 07:41:41 pm
content: Shipping to Germany shows $ 53.92 plus US $339,16 for duties and taxes right now.Keep in mind that the US $339,16 will go up, when the bids go up and then it probably only make sense to buy for someone in the US.

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 19, 2015, 09:36:52 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on July 18, 2015, 07:21:54 pmNo, hence the difficult sale here. It really is a bargain to anybody who doesn't get involved in that kind of thing though.

author: Pinkus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 11:38:08 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 19, 2015, 12:42:24 pmNo you cannot claim it back as you will not receive any paperwork. Ebay / Pitney Bows just grabs your money, they do not proof that they paid tax and import VAT or anything.If you do not believe: just order something with GSP and then try to get your VAT back. THEN you know.QuoteToploser is right: it would have been sold quickly if it would be hackable.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 03:40:12 pm
content: Quote from: Pinkus on July 20, 2015, 11:38:08 amI guess the people working at the tax department are more reasonable here... I just split the amount into VAT and handling fees. Fedex, UPS, post office, etc provide a slip with the VAT and handling fees split (could you call that proof? they are just handling the VAT and are not part of the entity you do business with). Ebay just gives one number but it doesn't take a miracle worker to look up the appropriate tarif and split the amount.Edit: goofed up proof part

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 03:57:56 pm
content: FWIW in the UK as a VAT registered entity, if you are purchasing from within the UK then you are invoiced with the VAT and deduct it from your VAT return each quarter.If that same UK entity purchases from an EU (not UK) country, then you present the (also VAT registered) seller with your VAT number, who supposedly checks it's valid, and issues a zero-rated VAT invoice. Quite often these days this is done by online shops, but not it seems with eBay or Amazon.Quite often, especially with things like eBay or Amazon purchases, or ad-hoc hotel-like expenses etc, the VAT isn't reclaimable. At least that's my experience, but I'd be glad to do battle with my accountant if it means I'll save a bit.The whole eBay thing together with the complex cross-boarder UK/EU sales taxing arrangement makes it difficult for buyers and sellers who are VAT registered, as you have to write off the VAT much of the time, and it often makes purchases less enticing as they otherwise might be.I am not sure how other EU countries deal with it, it'd be interesting to know.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 04:22:00 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on July 20, 2015, 03:57:56 pmThis is pretty much the same in Germany.I have an EU VAT number and I do not pay VAT, when I order from another EU country and I also do not charge VAT, when I write an invoice to a business in another EU country.It used to be, that I ordered from eBay USA and and it arrived in Germany and I had to go to the German customs service. (A real pain !!!) But I got a real import invoice that I could claim for my quarterly VAT tax return with the tax department.But since this stupid global payment system, I do not get any paperwork, that is accepted in Germany and therefore I can not reclaim the VAT. Therefore, I have shipped most items now from the US via FEDEX. But that only works, if the seller is willing to sell it without GSP

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 06:35:29 pm
content: Probably Ebay is not meant for companies to buy, just to sell

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 06:43:09 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on July 20, 2015, 06:35:29 pmI sell far more expensive items to companies than individuals. Whether that's what ebay intends I have no idea.

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 06:49:38 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on July 20, 2015, 06:35:29 pmIn the GSP terms and conditions it states that the program is open to individuals only, not business users. When I queried this with Pitney Bowes I was told that as a business I shouldn't be buying from eBay... Stupid lying cheating theiving fuckwits.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 10:59:57 pm
content: Quote from: TopLoser on July 20, 2015, 06:49:38 pmHmm, that doesn't sound good. I bought $1.5k of eBay stuff in the past few weeks on GSP, I will be well PO'd if I can't get the VAT back. Completely unfit for purpose if that is the case, I'd much rather have to go through the old school hassle.

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 11:30:31 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on July 20, 2015, 10:59:57 pmBeen there done that. Spent hours on the phone to the VAT office as well, they seemed as bemused as me about the whole setup. Official verdict - if you don't have VAT invoice with the VAT number of the organisation that collected the VAT then there's no way to reclaim the 'VAT' that the organisationscammed out of youcollected.

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 11:40:12 pm
content: Quote from: TopLoser on July 20, 2015, 11:30:31 pm

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 11:52:42 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on July 20, 2015, 10:03:03 pmNot wishing to appear rude, but I'm not sure USA residents are aware of European VAT legislation regarding imported goods.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 12:35:02 am
content: Quote from: TopLoser on July 20, 2015, 11:30:31 pmWell you could just enter it in your accounts as any other transaction for which you may have lost the invoice for...If someone is claiming to be collecting VAT, but not providing an invoice then that is illegal as a VAT invoice must be provided on request, and HMRC should be investigating with a view to banning ebay from offering the service in the UK.Has anyone explicitly asked the GSP people for correct VAT invoices? or their VAT number? Is the VAT even getting to HMRC.Oh, BTW Pitney Bowes UK VAT number isHereThat, plus an entry in your credit-card statement ought to do it

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 12:59:31 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on July 21, 2015, 12:37:26 amImport duty, valued added tax, clearance fees. All obscured and swallowed by the global shafting program.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 01:01:28 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on July 21, 2015, 12:37:26 amYes, as private citizens you cannot reclaim VAT.The same does not apply to VAT registered entities. While it is often physically paid, any payment is clawed back notionally during an accounting period (each quarter) usually offset against that entity's own sales.As ex-EU exports do not attract EU VAT, it is possible to be VAT positive if your ex-EU sales are very high compared to your local VAT levied sales, and your local VAT levied purchases are high: very nice it is too, if extremely rare for me, only one quarter recently like that in 25 years of business.There is little point in the common practice of far east suppliers falsifying the value of goods destined to VAT registered entities. In fact, it can be more of a headache, not just from an accounting perspective, but also because as soon as HMRC smell something they'll likely be round you like flies round a turd. I have a supplier in Hong Kong who insists on low balling the declared value of $800 of connectors to $50 on the declared commercial invoice. I've told him not to bother, just state it as $800, but he still does it. And every quarter I have to explain it away to the accountant.

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 01:25:20 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on July 21, 2015, 12:35:02 amYesYesYesYesProbably notNot enough for HMCECorrectNo, but I reclaimed it using smoke and mirrors and a PDF editor