which oscilloscope? - Page 1
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author: electronics man
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 08:08:18 pm
content: Hi i am looking for a cheep entry level oscilloscope for less than £500 (I am in the uk) inc VAT or preferably less. i need an oscilloscope with a logic analyser or an osciloscope with a function genarator for as cheep as posible but still of good quality i dont mind a second hand one if anyone has one they can give me for a low price (it should be digital) i have found these scopes: I have found the rigol DS1052E (£262.30), the DS1074Z (£452.30) and the DS1052D (£487.20) can someone help?

author: Fsck
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 08:14:10 pm
content: the 1074z is by far the best out of those 3. the discussion on the model is spread over several threads, so a search will be the easiest to find em.the 1052s are outdated now and unless you need to save every single penny, not worth it.

author: echen1024
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 08:19:59 pm
content: The DS1074Z. I own one and am incredibly happy with it.

author: BeerCannon
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 09:00:50 pm
content: I'm about to buy a DS1074Z myself, after several months of agonizing over similarly-priced scopes.

author: electronics man
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 09:12:42 pm
content: would it be cheeper to buy a separate function gen or get the ds1000z with the function gen

author: BeerCannon
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 09:19:05 pm
content: You can get a 3Mhz function gen for about $170 US. So, to get the DS1074Z-S with a function gen that can do 25Mhz signals seems like the most affordable way to get a function generator at 25MHz. But if you can get by with a less capable function generator, you can save a few bucks by buying separately.

author: electronics man
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 09:25:11 pm
content: yeah i have found one on rapid electronics for £93

author: BeerCannon
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 09:27:27 pm
content: Yep. I doubt you'll find a 25Mhz function generator cheaper than the Rigol upgrade.. but you can certainly find a lesser function generator for less money.

author: Hydrawerk
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 10:05:29 pm
content: Oh, there are so many oscilloscope threads.

author: electronics man
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 10:14:14 pm
content: they are very important machines

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 11:33:21 pm
content: As others said, the DS1072Z without question.

author: echen1024
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timestamp: November 30, 2013, 11:56:31 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 30, 2013, 11:33:21 pmI think you mean the 1074Z.

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 01, 2013, 11:44:21 am
content: thanks guys i think i have made my decision ds1074Z

author: Hydrawerk
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timestamp: December 01, 2013, 10:55:08 pm
content: I would wait for Dave's video review of DS1074Z-S.EDIT: Corrected.

author: echen1024
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timestamp: December 02, 2013, 02:28:56 am
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on December 01, 2013, 10:55:08 pmZ or B?

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 02, 2013, 07:52:13 pm
content: brilliant do you know when it will be

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 10, 2013, 10:39:34 pm
content: i have just founed the DSO1072B scope its only £303 inc VAT so a bargan whith 70MHz and 1G samples per second it seems good but does any one know any more?

author: AndersAnd
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timestamp: December 10, 2013, 11:52:33 pm
content: Quote from: electronics man on December 10, 2013, 10:39:34 pmAgilent DSO1072B is just a rebadged and overpriced Rigol scope, it even has the Rigol firmware:http://mightyohm.com/blog/2009/11/agilent-dso1000-firmware-update-confirms-rigol-connection/Agilent DSO1072B is the same as the old Rigol DS1052E/DS1102E series, but with 70 MHz bandwidth instead of 50 MHz or 100 MHz of DS1052E/DS1102E.£303 inc VAT is not really a great bargain for an outdated 70 MHz 1Gsa/s scope like Agilent DSO1072B. You can buy the almost identical Rigol DS1052E for €239 excl. VAT:http://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Low-Cost-Oscilloscopes.html€239 = £200 excl. VAT£200 * 1.19 =£238 incl. VATSo the German prices in € without 19% VAT is very close to being the same number as the price including VAT in £. So conversion is straightforward as you don't even have to do any calculations.You can upgrade Rigol DS1052E to 100 MHz simply by installing custom firmwares made by Gizmo as described here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/changing-the-rigol-ds1052e-to-ds1102e-using-usb-the-dummy-guide/msg187918/#msg187918The Rigol DS1074Z is a much newer and better scope than the old Rigol DS1052E/DS1102E / Agilent DSO1072B and has 4 channels instead of just 2. But DS1074Z is also more expensive than DS1052E, so depending on your budget you could either buy the new Rigol DS1074Z or the old Rigol DS1052E.Quote from: EEVblog on October 17, 2012, 09:38:57 pm

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 11, 2013, 10:40:07 am
content: Are there any good low priced scopes from owon or siglant that any one could recommend

author: echen1024
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timestamp: December 11, 2013, 04:10:16 pm
content: In my experience, Owon = ShitSiglent SDS1000 series are more or less the same as the Rigol DS1052E, but with a larger screen. Also, you should get the CML model with long memory.

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 11, 2013, 05:47:09 pm
content: i cant see where to buy them in the uk

author: echen1024
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timestamp: December 11, 2013, 10:07:59 pm
content: eBay.co.uk?

author: AndersAnd
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timestamp: December 11, 2013, 10:17:14 pm
content: Quote from: electronics man on December 11, 2013, 05:47:09 pmSiglent or Rigol?Not sure where to order them in the UK.But you can order Siglent online from their official distributor in Holland:http://www.siglent.euI've also read people from the UK saying it's cheaper to buy Rigol from Germany than the UK.For example here:http://www.batronix.comFor orders above €400 there's free shipping anywhere within the EU.

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 11, 2013, 10:21:06 pm
content: thanks

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 11, 2013, 10:27:17 pm
content: does anyone know the update rate ofthe siglent sds1072CML

author: BeerCannon
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timestamp: December 12, 2013, 12:33:49 am
content: What do you mean by "update rate"?The scope samples at 1 Gigasample per second (max). I have no idea how many waveforms per second it can capture, though.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 03:20:39 am
content: Quote from: BeerCannon on December 12, 2013, 12:33:49 amMy guess would be around a couple hundred. Not nearly as good as a DS1074Z, but probably quite similar to the DS1052E.

author: uboot
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timestamp: December 12, 2013, 09:30:53 am
content: Quote from: electronics man on December 11, 2013, 10:27:17 pmIt's said to have up to 3000wfrms/s

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 12, 2013, 03:26:52 pm
content: That seems ok for my needs

author: iDevice
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timestamp: December 12, 2013, 10:46:22 pm
content: Quote from: AndersAnd on December 11, 2013, 10:17:14 pmI highly recommend them, I've bought 5 items from them so far and their service has been stellar with next day delivery or the day after in the worst case and excellent and friendly support when I reported bugs.But I can't judge their warranty handling so far so YMMV.

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 13, 2013, 03:32:49 pm
content: Always good to know

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 29, 2013, 10:00:30 pm
content: Just bought a ds1000Z from batronix just thought what the hell.

author: Hydrawerk
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timestamp: December 29, 2013, 10:09:06 pm
content: So are you happy with your new scope?

author: AndersAnd
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timestamp: December 29, 2013, 10:12:09 pm
content: Quote from: electronics man on December 29, 2013, 10:00:30 pmA 70 MHz DS1074Z?Since you started this topic the DS1000Z series BW has been hacked so you can upgrade the 70 MHz version to 100 MHz with this key generator:http://riglol.3owl.comRead here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol's-internal-i2c-bus/msg346786/#msg346786

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 29, 2013, 10:25:00 pm
content: It hasn't arrived yet still waiting

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 29, 2013, 10:30:16 pm
content: Quote from: AndersAnd on December 29, 2013, 10:12:09 pmYes it is 70Mhz version and I will try this when it arrives

author: Dave Turner
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timestamp: December 30, 2013, 05:02:09 pm
content: For future reference Telonic Instruments Ltd (www.telonic.co.uk) are Rigol agents in the UK. I've found them to be about the same price overall as Batronix, very helpful and efficient. Having confirmed that they had them in stock I ordered DS1074Z-S and a DP832 from them at the beginning of November - both were delivered within 3 working days.

author: electronics man
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timestamp: December 30, 2013, 08:29:50 pm
content: but do they offer free delivery on oders of £400 (I think)

author: AndersAnd
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timestamp: December 30, 2013, 09:39:00 pm
content: Quote from: Dave Turner on December 30, 2013, 05:02:09 pmStrange that the only two Rigol scopes they list are the old DS1052E [£260.00 excl. VAT & Delivery] and DS1102E [£391.00]:http://www.telonic.co.uk/products/categories/tmi/oscilloscopes.aspAnd if these prices are right they are quite expensive compared to e.g. the various official German Rigol distributors.And you can't even order these online but have to contact them to create a credit account and get a quotation to order anything.Not sure if you can even order there as a private person. But if they really want to sell to the hobby and small business customers they need to create a proper webshop with all devices an prices listed and make the ordering process much easier.Quote from: electronics man on December 30, 2013, 08:29:50 pm€400 actually [£335]:http://support.batronix.com/index.php?/Default/Knowledgebase/Article/View/27/11/how-much-does-shipping-cost

author: Dave Turner
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timestamp: December 30, 2013, 10:36:30 pm
content: I confused matters unintentionally. Go tohttp://www.rigol-uk.co.uk/.Look at the prices there. Buy from there and you get invoiced from Telonic. Even the telephone numbers are the same. The Rigol distribution seems to be an internal division or similar of Telonic. I do agree the Telonic website itself leaves something to be desired if looking for Rigol. I paid £533 + £15 carriage + VAT for my scope. At the time this worked out as about the same price as Batronix, faster and less hassle with the bank.