Using Grounded European Plug Of Coffee Maker Correctly In Middle East Country? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / beginners

author: Boris_yo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 02:49:08 pm
content: I have bought a coffee maker with a European plug which doesn't have a grounding pin like ourplugs here in Israel have. Here is a picture of the splitter I use and the European power plug:As seen here, Israeli power outlets have a grounding hole at the bottom as opposed to the grounding pin at the top protruding from european outlets and this creates a dilemma. If the grounding hole was located at the top, I could modify the European plug to attach a pin in order to ground the appliance, but in my situation I can't.Is there a way around this? What can be done to accomplish what I want? What if to recreate pin in EU plug and turn EU plug upside down so it can be connected to Israeli socket like this:Of course N and L will switch places however.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 02:54:20 pm
content: Just put the right bloody plug on it!

author: Boris_yo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 03:09:38 pm
content: Quote from: Monkeh on August 13, 2012, 02:54:20 pmI know, but I preferred simpler solution. But meanwhile in regards to your solution, I already have old coffee maker with Israeli plug, look:Should I cut new coffee maker's wire where plug EU begins and then attach old coffee maker's plug? Or I should disassemble new coffee maker, find wire's beginning in coffee maker's base and completely cut wire later replacing it with old coffee maker's wire?

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 03:14:36 pm
content: Quote from: Boris_yo on August 13, 2012, 03:09:38 pmWhat is simpler than fitting the correct plug? It takes about two minutes, it's safe, reliable, and doesn't involve screwing around trying to save pennies you don't need to save.QuoteNo, you should go buy a rewirable plug and fit it to the cable.

author: Boris_yo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 03:46:53 pm
content: Quote from: Monkeh on August 13, 2012, 02:54:20 pmWe have those locally, but I thought to do it with old coffee maker's plug because it is more reliable and sturdy. It will require cutting and connecting small N, L, G cables and wrapping cable with insulating tape.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 03:49:50 pm
content: Quote from: Boris_yo on August 13, 2012, 03:46:53 pmThat is not more reliable and sturdy. That's a nasty bodge because you don't want to pay for a proper plug.

author: Boris_yo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 04:56:38 pm
content: Quote from: Monkeh on August 13, 2012, 03:49:50 pmYou are right. I will do as you advice but I still will have to cut off euro plug.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 05:02:07 pm
content: Quote from: Boris_yo on August 13, 2012, 04:56:38 pm... Of course you'll have to cut the plug off.

author: Rick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 06:37:14 pm
content: Quote from: Boris_yo on August 13, 2012, 02:49:08 pmHow about using a universal plug adaptor? Wouldn't that work?

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 06:51:23 pm
content: Probably costs more than a 3 pin Israeli plugtop, and will most likely not be earthed either. Chop off the Euro moulded unit, and buy one from the shop and put it on, not exactly going to cost an arm and a leg, though some manufacturers say it will invalidate warranty, to which I reply why do they supply an illegal plug in first place ( here in SA the shucko socket devices have been banned precisely because they have such an unreliable earthing methos in the adaptors).

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 07:28:39 pm
content: Adapters may not be able to cope with the high currents needed. Put a proper plug on.

author: Rick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 08:32:12 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on August 13, 2012, 07:28:39 pmMine is rated 16 A. Not enough?But it is not a universal one, it is an adaptor for American/British/Australian type to European type conversion.And yes it has a ground connection.

author: mamalala
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 20, 2012, 09:59:42 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on August 13, 2012, 06:51:23 pmCare to expand on that? What part of the earthing is unreliable, whatever adapter you use or the Schuko plug itself? If it is the adapter, then it's pretty stupid to ban the Schuko's, because it's not their fault. If it is the Schuko plug, then you either use crap plugs or sockets, because they are simply not known for bad earth contacting.Greetings,Chris

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2012, 12:11:58 pm
content: They were banned because the most common versions imported do not include the earthing arrangements, so you have a hazard if a class I device is plugged into it, as then there is no PE conductor connected. They are meant for class II appliances only. The only shucko appliances that are allowed have to be class II isolated, with no PE contact. Only ones commonly in this category are certain small power adaptors and double insulated power tools, and most commonly electric mowers.

author: mamalala
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 21, 2012, 03:13:50 pm
content: I see, so it is the lousy adapters that were banned. Which is absolutely right if they do not contact PE. After all, "SchuKo" means "Schutzkontakt", which translates to protective earth.Greetings,Chris