SiteCloud FAIL! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 11:46:35 pm
content: For those following the SiteCoud server saga, here is the latest email form the CEO:QuoteYep, they finally admit a FAIL!Dave.

author: slburris
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 12:31:29 am
content: Yet when a DDos attack was launched against Amazon to retaliatefor the Wikileaks stuff in Dec, they were unable to take Amazon down,even in the midst of the busy shopping season.http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/09/technology/amazon_wikileaks_attack/index.htmConclusion? There's nothing specifically wrong with Amazon S3, or EC2, orthe like. But Sitecloud was blaming Amazon for their problems way back when.SCott

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 12:36:21 am
content: Maybe it is time to go dedicated?http://order.1and1.com/links/dedicated-servers.html

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 01:48:49 am
content: Quote from: CafeLogic on January 25, 2011, 12:36:21 amI agree! From the videos it's obvious that Dave has lots of room in hisgarageworkshop for his very own server rack.At the very least, it would be a great excuse to air condition thegarageworkshop

author: tyblu
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 02:11:47 am
content: Many companies offer dedicated servers, but that is a bit step from the current implementation, and it seems to be working well.

author: Chasm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 03:43:41 am
content: Going dedicated is expensive.Root serves are cheap, but you have to admin them constantly which can be a pain if you don't know what you are doing.Managed servers don't have this drawback but are more expensive.

author: zijo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 01:00:39 am
content: VPS $10-15/m

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 01:45:44 am
content: Quote from: zijo on January 27, 2011, 01:00:39 amI have no idea how a VPS server works.They also don't seem to run cPanel, which is the only interface I am familiar with.Dave.

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 01:58:45 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 27, 2011, 01:45:44 amYou get the raw operating system and are expected to install and mange the applications your self.There are lots of free tools to make this a (fairly) painless operation.The up side is that it gives you a lot more control over things than does cPanel.The down side is that it gives you a lot more control over things than does cPanel. You can break things you didn't know you had!

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 02:06:49 am
content: To you, it is the exact same thing as a dedicated server. Physically, the OS is virtualized on the same hardware as other virtual servers. The effective difference between a dedicated server is that your site is susceptible to slow downs from other peoples sites just like shared hosting. The advantage over shared is that you get the same level of control over the server as you do with dedicated. You can get cPanel with it but it might have more/different options (don't use cPanel, so can't be sure). You can also get other interfaces you are familiar with, like windows! If you get a windows VPS, you remote desktop into the machine.I don't know that any of that is really necessary but you are running on borrowed time with the 5$ unlimited hosts. If it starts to piss you off again, you might try GoDaddy. I figure they are so massive, random spikes of traffic won't cause the sorts of problems you are getting with these guys; but that is just speculation.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 02:37:01 am
content: Quote from: GeoffS on January 27, 2011, 01:58:45 amI can't see why I'd need more control...QuoteBingo, and that's BAD.I just want something trivial to use that works, cPanel does that.Dave.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 02:42:13 am
content: Quote from: CafeLogic on January 27, 2011, 02:06:49 amSo in that case, for me it offers no real advantage offer a shared server or cloud server, because I don't need any extra features.QuoteGoDaddy are supposed to be the evil empire of shared servers.I am back on HostMonster, and from my long experience with them, one of the best shared services available.My $6/month account handles several TB of traffic monthly and barely flinches.Some dedicated server plans won't even offer 1TB/month on their basic plans that cost hundreds of dollars.Dave.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 02:43:55 am
content: Actually, at the moment I'm "load balancing", with the Blog and Forum on Hostmonster, and the bandwidth hogging podcast video files (and AmpHour audio files) still on Sitecloud.Dave.

author: Chasm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 03:08:22 am
content: Keeping the bandwidth hogs on another server is a good idea.As it has been said, a VPS (virtual private server, a virtual machine) has the same options but less power than a dedicated/root server. You get the machine with a OS of your choice pre-installed which you then may change.You also getalladministration tasks. Since you run a increasingly popular site and can't afford downtimes and especially not a hacked server that means a lot of work.So you have to learn it real quick and invest some time every day for at least checking if there were some relevant mails on the security announcement lists, find someone you actually trust to do it for you or pay the hosting company for a managed server.So much for exchanging the day job for another three months, the cost of doing so keep going up.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 05:50:35 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 27, 2011, 02:42:13 amyou didnt tell me about the godaddy. luckily i havent made any decision, might as well join you in hostmonster for my web later.

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 06:00:12 pm
content: Internet and Technology consulting (I make it sound fancy, don't I?) is what supports my dirty electronics habit. I have a VPS at Godaddy for a client with fairly complex requirements. I have one other client with a shared account for simple requirements. Personally I have 10 or so domains over there. I haven't heard any complaints or had any down time. Obviously, that's a small sampling, so I would not put name on the line for them but so far so good. What problems have you heard about?

author: flam316
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 02, 2011, 08:39:25 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 27, 2011, 02:43:55 amThis is against their TOS and they have the right to randomly kick you out if you do this. Just thought I would warn you before disaster strikes...

author: ziq8tsi
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2011, 11:08:54 pm
content: Quote from: flam316 on March 02, 2011, 08:39:25 pmHow, exactly, is that against their ToS? I see no reference to exclusivity, and nothing but the usual handwaving with regard to "bandwidth hogging".Thereisa requirement that their disk space be used "for web site files only and [...] not [...] for backup of content or content storage", but I read that as outlawing using the service as an overspill for your hard drive, not prohibiting the hosting of video files on the web.Did you even mean Sitecloud, or Hostmonster? Each of them can only be better off hosting a subset of the content for the same money!

author: flam316
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 03, 2011, 03:32:49 am
content: Quote from: ziq8tsi on March 02, 2011, 11:08:54 pmIn here lies our problem. SiteCloud (or GreenGeek) probably will have a different take on it, and they won't be happy about it. If and when they find out, you have to remember that your files are on their servers. They will find away... ("SiteCloud will be the sole and final arbiter as to what constitutes a violation of this policy.")I'm just trying to protect Dave... we don't want this host to screw him over again.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 03, 2011, 04:30:31 am
content: I'm safe. I still have several sits hosted there, and the video files are genuinely put there for web hosting.There is nothing that says you have to have a HTML site wrapper around it.I have the files hosted atwww.eevblog.orgDave.