OT: What state am I in? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2020, 05:13:41 pm
content: I ordered my first ever PCB the other day from JLCPCB. Here's the shipping confirmation. I usually have a lousy experience with DHL. Maybe JLCPCB knows something about DHL we don'tSo, what was that state I live in again?

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2020, 05:33:51 pm
content: My first elementary school was in (or right next to) Hillsborough!

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2020, 05:42:27 pm
content: Wow - that's just another one of those weird coincidences that happen to me.I grew up in the UK and the guy who sells the cheese in the local grocery store in Hillsborough used to walk down my street in the UK in the 1980s...

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 12:16:59 pm
content: It'll probably end up in South Dakota.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 12:19:10 pm
content: Oh, sorry ... it's not in the hands of USPS, so the odds are much better.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 12:24:08 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on December 30, 2020, 05:13:41 pmI didn't really understand what it was about... Strange address? But you filled out the delivery address yourself. And you can adjust it.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 12:30:55 pm
content: One thing that always irritates me is how people can mess up addresses so badly. The pinnacle (which probably happened here as well) is when you put the information on the supplier's electronic form and somehow the information is changed in the package itself (also electronically filled).It always gives me the impression that somebody somehow looked at the information and decided "yeah, this person seems to have filled the info in the wrong fields - what an idiot. Let me change this bit, and that bit, and so on.".It could also be the case where the shipping company's form is also stupid, with fields that are mutually exclusive depending on the country but the employee feels the need to fill all of them - in this case these fields could be State, Province, District, County, City, etc.This is way worse for countries without ZIP (like Chile) or part of Federal Districts (Brasilia, Buenos Aires, Mexico City, etc.).Well, it could also be a disgruntled employee...

author: Nusa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 12:42:04 pm
content: Just be glad you don't live in Georgia. They'd probably send it to the country, not the state.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 12:45:32 pm
content: JLCPCB suggests that you check the sending address. I do not think that someone manually corrects them and passes them, everything comes from the data filled in by the client.Maybe there are some peculiarities in the American address structure, but I have never had any problems with this, despite the fact that in Russia the address is written as a route, and not vice versa.However, ZIP will save you, I think.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 01:01:01 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on December 31, 2020, 12:16:59 pmHah, that reminds me of a story a teacher at my second elementary school told us...That school’s mailing address was in Bahama, NC (pronounced “buh HAY muh”, btw). Once, she’d been waiting for an overhead projector bulb to arrive, but it took forever to get there. When it finally showed up, written on the box was “RETURN TO MAINLAND,NOTFOR THE BAHAMAS”.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 01:12:17 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on December 31, 2020, 12:45:32 pmWhat do you mean “written as a route”?US format is fairly straightforward, going from most-specific to least-specific:Recipient Name/Company Name[company-internal routing info like department, person, or mail stop number][Apartment or unit number]House_number Street_nameCity, State ZIP_codeEverything in brackets is only as-needed.So a minimal address looks like:The White House1600 Pennsylvania AveWashington, DC 20500I suppose that technically, even the name is optional, but other than junk mail, who doesn’t name the recipient? 😂

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 01:40:31 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on December 31, 2020, 01:12:17 pmIt is necessary to read the address in reverse order, and in parts. First you need to find the country at the end, read it, then drive back and read the state, etc. We have a direct order of address, which corresponds to the attachment points of the physical address:postal codeRussian Federation[district locality]city/town/wilagestreethouseapartmentThe reading direction corresponds to the driving route, is't it?So a minimal address looks like:101000Russian FederationMosсowKremlinDed Moroz

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 01:45:47 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on December 31, 2020, 01:40:31 pmI learned something today!Seems to follow the same logic as that of a date being expressed as YYYY/MM/DD.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 01:52:29 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on December 31, 2020, 01:45:47 pmYes, we write the date according to the degree of importance: after all, more often we need to know the current day, not the year: dd.mm.yyyyIt is strange that in countries with an inverted address and date, the time was not reversed.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 02:58:29 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on December 31, 2020, 01:52:29 pmYes, I grew up with the *correct* order as well. The MM.DD may be explained by the way the English language seems to invert everything (adjective before noun), but I am unsure if other countries have this as well (I didn't look).

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 03:03:15 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on December 31, 2020, 02:58:29 pmI'm pretty sure the US is the only place to do it.Having lived a quarter of a century in the UK and then another in the US, I just give up when I see dates written DD/MM or MM/DD unless the day of the month >12. I always write dates DD-MMM-YY or DD-MMM-YYYY (e.g., 01-Jan-21), though not always with the hyphens.I think the Japanese way is the most sensible.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 03:05:21 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on December 31, 2020, 12:19:10 pmAll my nightmare experiences have been with DHL. I won't remind myself of the horrible details

author: rcbuck
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 09:47:45 pm
content: Last week I received notification from DHL that boards were out for delivery. I could click the link to authorize delivery without a signature. Since I was going to be home all day I authorized it as DHL always rings the doorbell when they make a delivery. Porch pirates aren't bad in my neighborhood.At 3 pm I checked status and saw it was delivered at 12:50 pm. I had just looked at the front porch 5 minutes before and package wasn't there. When I looked at the proof of delivery photo I recognized the door mat as my neighbors. I went next door and got my package.I called DHL to complain. I asked the person speaking broken English where their drivers went to school to learn to read numbers. He said someone would call me back within 6 hours. I never got a call. Next day I get an email asking how their delivery service was. I rated it a zero and told them they delivered the package to wrong house and if I hadn't recognized the door mat my package would have be lost forever. Not really true as neighbor is a good friend and she would have brought it over. I never received a call or another email from DHL.No more authorization for DHL to deliver without signature. The drivers can't read house numbers. All the house numbers in the neighborhood are clearly marked with large 5 inch numbers on the very front of the houses.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 10:05:28 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on December 31, 2020, 12:30:55 pmAs a seller of things on t'internet, you would be surprised the number of people out there who have trouble with knowing their own addresses.Wrong post codeWrong suburbWrong numberIncorrect spellingWrong townNon-deliverable addressOld address they don't live at any moreAddress they never lived atand of course the classic "I'm not rural (but I am)" address.It is quite frequent that I have to resort to detective work, and google maps to actually interpret what their address should be when thenational postal system'saddress lookup can't find it.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 12:02:44 am
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on December 31, 2020, 02:58:29 pmI think it's just a matter of tradition. Once, someone without thinking decided that it was so good, it spread and became common. It doesn't make much sense to change this because many people will become unaccustomed. The same is true of the metric system. In Russia, there was previously a primitive system of measuring with bast shoes, hands, and steps, but the moment came when the communists decided to break everything and switch to the metric system. They were not tolerant and did not hesitate to create inconvenience to someone during transition.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 12:12:44 am
content: You know, we in Russia very often scold the Russian post for slowness and even loss, but our post is very cheap, about 10 times cheaper than DHL. It turns out that expensive delivery does not mean quality. However, I have never had any problems with DHL, FedEx, UPS in Russia they can not leave the parcel on the porch.But I had a problem with SF-Express delivery - it's not much cheaper than DHL, but slower than regular mail. Usually DHL from China delivers PCB in 4-5 days, SF-Express delivered more than 30 days, besides some strange way through Finland, distorted the Invoice and I had problems with customs.

author: rob.manderson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 12:46:25 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on December 31, 2020, 03:03:15 pmThis is one reason why I prefer military format (01 Apr 1978). Learned it at Hewlett Packard Australia - their solution to the confusion in date formats. All our internal software (it was all internal software in 1980) used military format and it just made sense. That said, the Japanese way does have it's advantages - it sorts properly

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 12:50:24 am
content: I always use ISO format (YYYY-MM-DD) in file names, since an alphabetical sort will be chronological. It makes sense to use it in lots of situations.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 09:53:31 am
content: Quote from: tooki on January 01, 2021, 12:50:24 amNo one bothers to store the date inside as it is convenient for sorting, in fact, it is stored as a linear number, but it is shown to the user in a convenient format. Windows, for example, stupidly sorts the date as a string, it's not clear to me.

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 12:45:21 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on December 31, 2020, 01:52:29 pmSo the same applies to address format in many countries:The recipient is the most importantThen the street addressThen the restWith one exception, all countries that I lived in follow that format. The exception is RussiaMost mistakes happen at local post office level. Every once in a while we are getting our mail delivered to neighbor’s mailbox, and time to time they get our mail. I never had an incident with my mail going to a wrong country or state, despite the fact that there are Cambridge towns in many US states, in UK and Australia.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 01:09:29 pm
content: Quote from: vad on January 01, 2021, 12:45:21 pmShowing the importance of identity in a mailing address is a bit ridiculous.Once again I will repeat: it's probably just a tradition.

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 02:09:36 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 01, 2021, 01:09:29 pmMail is addressed to addressee (a person, a company, etc) - not the address. Unsolicited mail/spam cases are excepted.Many standards have traditional roots. Different cultures have different traditions though. Russian address format correlates well with other Russian utilitarian traditions.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 03:03:41 pm
content: Quote from: vad on January 01, 2021, 02:09:36 pmI noticed correctly: we have more utilitarian foundations. We, for example, do not smile at a person who is at least indifferent, and we are more open in our feelings. We have a difference between a sincere and obligatory smile. But now everything is changing and the differences are being smoothed out.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2021, 02:17:15 am
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 01, 2021, 09:53:31 amHuh?My point is that ISO date format works great in file names precisely because the OS (be it Windows, Mac, Linux, etc) will sort it as a string, alphabetically, and that with that format, that happens to also be chronological.I'm not talking about the creation, modification, etc. dates stored as metadata.

author: asmi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2021, 07:20:38 pm
content: Quote from: vad on January 01, 2021, 02:09:36 pmYou write address not for addressee - he/she already knows it, but for (potentially) a lot of carriers, sorting facilities, custom officers, export/import agents, and God knows whom else who will have to touch your package along it's way. None of these people (except maybe those dealing with export/import) care about the person this package addressed to, but they do care about address.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2021, 10:50:08 pm
content: Quote from: vad on January 01, 2021, 02:09:36 pmWhile it's true that from the sender/recipient's point of view, you're addressing it to a person, but in actuality, you ARE addressing it to an address, with the understanding (hope?) that the intended recipient is actually there. From the mail system's point of view, the name of the person/company is nothing but decoration. You can easily test this: send two letters to someone. On one, write their name, but no address. On the other, write their address, but no name. Guess which one will arrive...If we had the actual ability to address mail to aperson, then all we'd need to do is uniquely identifywhothe recipient is, not where they are. It would be up to the mail system to figure out where the recipient is and route it to them.The closest thing we have to that right now are email and mobile phones: the address or number doesn't change as the person moves around.Indeed, phones are a great analogy. Traditional land-line phones are like snail mail: the number reaches aplace, not aperson. Sure, you hope the person you want is there, but they could have stepped out. The number continues to be tethered to that location.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2021, 11:01:56 pm
content: With that, give me a reason why Canada Post does Not deliver mail if the Sender did not specify their name (the Sender's name that is).

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2021, 11:06:38 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on January 04, 2021, 10:50:08 pmThat's not true in the case of mail redirection/forwarding. The post office (or whatever) has to know the identity of the intended recipient in order to divert mail such as when you move house.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2021, 12:11:05 am
content: Well, the address got translated correctly as the photo of the package shows.Unfortunately, I haven't seen it with my own eyes. DHL claim to have delivered it - the photo is from their alleged proof of delivery. I purposely did not waive the signature requirement and have been within 15 feet of my front door all day.Geez, what is it with DHL and me?

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2021, 12:17:37 am
content: Quote from: Bud on January 04, 2021, 11:01:56 pmAsk Canada Post, that's their policy, not mine.Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 04, 2021, 11:06:38 pmAnd even so, they're only filtering mail to a particular addresseeat that address. Regardless, the point is the fundamental operation of the system, not the edge cases.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2021, 12:23:12 am
content: Quote from: rcbuck on December 31, 2020, 09:47:45 pmAs you can now see (my earlier post), the photo they provided is only of the package so there's no way to tell where it was allegedly delivered. The "signed" section of the official proof-of-delivery is blank. But a signature was required...

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2021, 09:19:37 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 05, 2021, 12:23:12 amTo be fair, you live in the US of A so health concerns may discourage couriers from taking signatures more than usual.In NZ during our enforced staycation couriers stopped taking signatures by policy, in theory they were supposed to knock then stand a couple meters away, wait for somebody to answer, confirm their identity verbally and leave the package on the ground, in practice that probably didn't happen too much.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2021, 02:52:26 pm
content: Quote from: sleemanj on January 05, 2021, 09:19:37 amThey shouldn't send an email the same day stating I have to explicitly waive the signature requirement and they should state if they are not taking them due to COVID etc. Every other delivery service rings or knocks on my door. Note how the photo of the package is just the package. When Amazon leave a package, the photo clearly shows where the package is. For all I know, this package was just sitting in the courier's lap. If it were anyone but DHL, I'd be more forgiving.As it happens, I have ordered another set of boards from JLCPCB and requested FedEx. BTW, that's the proper FedEx, not FedEx Ground. The latter is not FedEx proper and I've had expensive issues with them.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2021, 08:33:32 pm
content: So, after 3 days of false promises to inform me about a trace on the whereabouts of my allegedly delivered package, DHL sent me a text:"The station has advised they are unable to recover your package. Contact your shipper to file a claim."

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 12:20:40 am
content: Unbelievable.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 12:40:53 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 07, 2021, 08:33:32 pmWill you contact JLCPCB? I wonder what they'll say.When I had a problem with customs clearance of parcels from LCSC, they told me that deduct a large amount for the return, and the return customs clearance (strange laws, probably in China - own the parcel when you return) and 15% of the cost of goods for the accommodation of his stock. And the refund will last about 6 months. That is, I would have received less than half of the cost paid in six months. And the problem was due to the fact that SF-Express chose a mysterious route through Finland during delivery and incorrectly carried out intermediate customs clearance there.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 12:59:54 am
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 08, 2021, 12:40:53 amI've contacted JLCPCB and asked them to file a complaint.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 01:23:31 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 08, 2021, 12:59:54 amPlease tell us the result.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 03:31:57 am
content: I heard back from JLCPCB - they are going to refund me

author: Whales
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 05:03:14 am
content: Somehow, somewhere, they delivered this to a kid and he has just opened up your parcel. "Cool!". That kid is really enjoying your PCBs and thinks you are the best santa ever. "Wow ENIG too!"

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 06:39:46 am
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 01, 2021, 03:03:41 pmIt's the same everywhere as this is part of human nature. Psychologists differentiate between an "enjoyment smile" where the eyes crinkle, and a "non-enjoyment smile" where they do not. Recognizing the difference is part of the social intelligence.Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 04, 2021, 11:06:38 pmNot to mention that you can send mail to "C/O General Delivery", where the addressee has a name but no mailing address at all.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 11:17:00 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 08, 2021, 03:31:57 amWould you like to try placing an order again?

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 11:18:22 am
content: Quote from: Whales on January 08, 2021, 05:03:14 amI liked your positivism!

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 02:50:08 pm
content: I knew DHL would not "find" my package so I ordered again but chose FedEx. I got notification today that the FedEx shipment is on its way.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 04:17:32 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 08, 2021, 02:50:08 pmDid you correct the address in JLCPCB?

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 05:25:08 pm
content: Quote from: helius on January 08, 2021, 06:39:46 amNot true: it has to be addressed the correct post office, who holds it for the recipient.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 05:36:17 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on January 08, 2021, 05:25:08 pmFor USPS, you use:NAMEGENERAL DELIVERYCITY STATE ZIPhttps://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-General-Delivery

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 02:11:23 am
content: Right. I didn't mean to imply that they would infer the correct address to send it (although I'm sure that's a service you can pay extra for). It's useful for sending mail to people in rural areas whose home has no delivery route (what we called in more innocent days "a mailman"). Or, indeed, to those with no fixed address.Whether mail is delivered to a person or just a numbered box is one of the reasons for specific services that verify receipt, such as Registered Mail, Certified Mail, and Restricted Delivery. As this thread shows, it may seem more convenient to click a form saying "don't require my signature", but then you have given up one of the service guarantees that you paid for.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 02:36:40 am
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 08, 2021, 04:17:32 pmIt seems they corrected it themselves. Now there is only one North Carolina (or NC). Note, that on the photo of the DHL package, the address was exactly how a US address should be.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 03:03:45 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 09, 2021, 02:36:40 amLet's hope it was an unfortunate misunderstanding in the holiday rush.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 03:27:41 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 09, 2021, 03:03:45 pmI look at it as an experiment to test shipping options. I'd rather find out now with this inexpensive board than down the road when I have a more expensive product or a time constraint.

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 04:08:59 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 09, 2021, 03:27:41 pmDid JLCPCB compensate you for the lost package?I myself experimented with sending packages from JLCPCB via DHL and FedEx.DHL works out to be the fastest option for me. It usually takes 3-4 business days to Boston.FedEx once took almost 2 weeks to arrive (the package was stuck in Japan for over a week).Nothing was lost so far (knock on wood).

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2021, 01:23:29 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 08, 2021, 05:36:17 pmAnd if you’d finished reading that page, you’d have found this:QuoteAs far as I know, no zip codes have multiple post offices, so by virtue of addressing to the post office at CITY, ST, ZIP you are addressing it to a specific post office. (A single post office may service many zip codes, but will itself have only one.)

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2021, 01:31:08 am
content: Quote from: tooki on January 10, 2021, 01:23:29 amIf I'm not mistaken, DHL and FedEx are not related to post offices. Maybe they don't even know the ZIP code of the post offices.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2021, 01:38:18 am
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 10, 2021, 01:31:08 amI was responding to a comment about poste restante, nothing to do with private parcel services. You couldn’t have them deliver to you at a post office, just as they cannot deliver to a PO Box.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2021, 03:49:25 am
content: Quote from: tooki on January 10, 2021, 01:23:29 amFor USPS, you don't address the post office per se, just the city and zip.Anyhoo, I didn't know you could even do this

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2021, 11:25:09 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on January 10, 2021, 01:23:29 amNo, some towns have a single zip code, but multiple post office locations. There may only be a single "Main Post Office", but the USPS can provide service counters in multiple neighborhoods (sometimes service counters are located inside malls or grocery stores). And there are some towns that formerly had two zip codes, but now only use one, or have changed their zip code due to reassignment to a different sectional facility, etc!The requirement is intended to simplify the logistics around general delivery, if the mail thus addressed can be sent to a single office without regard to the recipient's name.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2021, 12:42:44 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 10, 2021, 03:49:25 amBy writing “GENERAL DELIVERY”, youareimplicitly addressing it to the specific post office (since no two post offices have the same zip code AFAIK) and it is a directive to the post office that means “retain at post office for the above-mentioned person”.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2021, 12:44:22 pm
content: Quote from: helius on January 10, 2021, 11:25:09 pmAh!! So that explains why USPS general delivery is expressly stated as not being available at every post office.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2021, 02:49:20 pm
content: Yay!Now, will it work? (The PCB, not the free holder)It took 3 days 5 hours from FedEx pick-up to delivery.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2021, 03:01:35 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on January 11, 2021, 02:49:20 pmCongratulations!

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2021, 11:26:38 pm
content: All this and now we find there's a goof on the pcb.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2021, 01:15:48 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on January 11, 2021, 11:26:38 pmWell, so far, so good. The power section works okay. I'm going to put the chips in tomorrow a section at a time. Hopefully, by the end of the week I will have compared it to the existing board it's replacing.This is my first PCB. I used Eagle and hated it but that's what I sent to JLCPCB. I learned KiCAD in a day to do the 3D. I have to say I definitely prefer KiCAD. My god, it's free and to get 5 boards for $25 in a week is dumbfounding to me.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2021, 07:03:37 am
content: Funny: KiCad draws connectors with mounting caps in a 3D model.JohnnyMalaria, I wish you 100 more PCBs and that they were all without goof the first time.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2021, 02:23:43 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 12, 2021, 07:03:37 amThe connector models are from the manufacturer. The reason I gave up on Eagle was the nightmare of the "integration" with Fusion 360 and the painful, repetitive steps to go through to put in a new model.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2021, 06:40:31 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 12, 2021, 07:03:37 amAnd why should it be any other way? The caps are physically there, and may protrude beyond the dimensions of the part itself. Having the cap in the model helps you identify interference. You’d hate it if you spun a board and then couldn’t get it pick-and-placed because the connector caps are in the way.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2021, 08:08:33 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on January 13, 2021, 06:40:31 pmAgree. But it is strange to make caps in the way.