Grounded Bedsheets - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: JustMeHere
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 10:22:19 am
content: https://www.groundingwell.com/products/groundingwell-fitted-sheet-bfWill change your life....Yes, plug your bedsheet into your house ground.....

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 10:27:54 am
content: Many people plug their blankets into the mains, and do get a better nights sleephttps://www.goodhousekeeping.com/uk/product-reviews/house-garden/g37999803/best-electric-blankets/

author: voltsandjolts
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 12:35:51 pm
content: At least they should provide an ESD safe environment if you're doing PCB assembly in bed.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 02:48:28 pm
content: All of those "verified" testimonials can't be wrong!

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 03:18:49 pm
content: Maybe the people marketing it and the buyers don't have a good grounding in electronics.

author: Xena E
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timestamp: November 30, 2024, 03:22:09 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on November 30, 2024, 03:18:49 pmSo, that's just completely wrong.John Harvey Kellogg would have had the bedsheets connected to theliveside of the supply for the best theraputic benefit.X

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 03:40:44 pm
content: ECT is still used today. Although, some consider it a bit barbaric.https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/electroconvulsive-therapy/about/pac-20393894#:~:text=ECT%20is%20much%20safer%20today,with%20the%20fewest%20possible%20risks.

author: schmitt trigger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 03:56:17 pm
content: Will that get rid of bedbugs?

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 04:28:17 pm
content: Cheaper to just hookup a cable with a big alligator clamp on your big toe and connect the other end of the cable to a good solid ground for a larger electron flow.For the more SM minded people there is another place to hook it up.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 10:01:47 pm
content: Your better double-check your electrical installation before doing that.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 04:43:02 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on November 30, 2024, 10:27:54 amAren't they isolated from mains for safety? Mine only has a 2-prong plug.

author: Russ_A
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 04:55:42 am
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on November 30, 2024, 03:40:44 pmI know someone who says it saved her life. She had crippling depression.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 09:15:28 am
content: A wireless ESD wrist strap would be much cheaper.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 09:43:02 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 01, 2024, 04:43:02 amDouble insulated (Class 2) is not the same as isolated, which generally means galvanic isolation via a transformer. These things are usually just a variation on a triac dimmer circuit for power regulation, they don't use isolation tansformers.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 03:06:20 pm
content: Quote from: Xena E on November 30, 2024, 03:22:09 pmWell I wonder how less efficient it will be connected to the ground compared to live.

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 04:21:00 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on December 01, 2024, 03:06:20 pmI don't know.But as a therapy it wouldn't cure anxiety if you knew the "potential" hazard of the live option, even if it was unlikely to hurt you without a circuit path to ground.He also advocated combined electrohydrotherapy; much more dangerous.Perhaps Dr Kellogg would save the electric treatment for imbeciles:John Harvey was a firm believer in eugenics, and would have been ok with loosing a few inferior patients, and although connection of the bed to the line rather than ground wouldn't necessarily guarantee their "cure" it would be more likely.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogghttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics(Your breakfast cereal was invented by a psychopath).X

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 04:41:04 pm
content: There are lots of videos covering the Green Bank observatory in WV.20:00 in, they speak with a person who suffers from electromagnetic hypersensitivity.QuoteOf course, it comes with a downside.

author: Xena E
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timestamp: December 01, 2024, 04:52:05 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on December 01, 2024, 04:41:04 pmYes, they exist .They used to be called "nutters", and "fruitcakes"There was one once posted on the forums here, claiming to be made ill by the local oscillator radiation from his superhet radio...🤪😵‍💫X

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 05:17:37 pm
content: Quote from: Xena E on December 01, 2024, 04:21:00 pmKellogg's cereal today traces to the younger brother, Will Keith Kellogg. They did work on early versions together but split. There was a lawsuit as to who could use the name for cereal.* Wikipedia glosses over that and implies that John relinquished naming rights willingly.W.K. Kellogg and Post competed head-on and products bearing their names still compete. There is also a W.K. Kellogg Foundation that supports developments in healthcares and scholarships to medical students.*https://bentley.umich.edu/news-events/magazine/citizen-grain/#:~:text=John%20went%20along%20with%20the,right%20to%20the%20Kellogg%20name.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 06:10:07 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 01, 2024, 04:43:02 amI don't know, but I don't remember seeing anything that could be as bulky as a transformer. They have been around alongtime, e.g.https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-the-electric-blanket-1991596and safety standards were rather different back then (e.g. "The Boy Electrician" book has a chapter on fun things to do with your X-ray machine).I've always disliked the thought of them, for reasons such ashttp://www.fireservice.co.uk/safety/electric-blankets/or incontinence, and they don't mix well with some medical conditions.https://seniorsafetyadvice.com/are-electric-blankets-safe-for-elderly/

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 06:11:24 pm
content: Quote from: Russ_A on December 01, 2024, 04:55:42 amI knew someone that forcibly demanded it on several occasions, for the same reason.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 06:17:38 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 01, 2024, 04:43:02 amNo, they are not isolated, and I have never seen one that runs on a low voltage. If you look at the heating element, it is a finely stranded fibre core, with a coil of resistive wire wrapped around it, and two coats of plastic insulation. Two coats means it double insulated, and that's all they need for approval. If, over time, all the agitation as you move around in your sleep damages the insulation, there is nothing to stop you being exposed to the resistive wire. Obviously there is the fabric layer of the blanket, but if you are warm and cosy there will be enough moisture around to make that fabric conductive.

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 06:43:37 pm
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on December 01, 2024, 05:17:37 pmDr John Harvey was the originator of the concept as a health food. Boiled and Dry toasted cereals were what he advocated as a good diet.Many good ideas and intentions, but ultimately not enough of a business man and too eccentric for his brother to want him as a partner, their disagreements lasted far beyond the settlement of the lawsuit.Quote from: tggzzz on December 01, 2024, 06:10:07 pmNo doubt the early electric blankets had asbestos insulation on the elements...If you didnt get sarcoma from the fun things you did as a boy with your X ray machine you had a second chance with mesothelioma from blanket dust.X

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 07:13:46 pm
content: Quote from: Xena E on December 01, 2024, 06:43:37 pmWhy would they ever have used asbestos in an electric blanket? If it gets warm enough to need more than cotton insulation the blanket and bed sheets are going to have a serious problem.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 07:37:15 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on December 01, 2024, 07:13:46 pmElectric blankets account for over 5000 fires a year in the homehttp://www.fireservice.co.uk/safety/electric-blankets/Seems high to me, bit what do I know.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 07:44:59 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on December 01, 2024, 07:37:15 pmI'm not sure of the relevance of that to what I wrote, but I'm surprised there are still so many people using them. Central heating really killed the electric blanket market in the 1970s, although I suspect Russia increased their popularity again a couple of years ago.Having seem some people's electric blankets many years ago, I expect most of those fires are caused by people still using them when they are seriously worn and tatty. I wonder what the electric shock rate is like?

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 08:22:18 pm
content: An electric blanket fire is that something like a croque monsieur?

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 08:24:48 pm
content: They might be becoming popular as boomers are and start to feel colder.ISTR seeing adverts for them in the fog of daytime TV. Or maybe for electric cushions.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 08:37:30 pm
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on November 30, 2024, 03:40:44 pmIt is done under very careful anesthesia, for example to help with most difficult forms of depression and related issues. I, too, know someone with crippling depression and suicidal ideation that was helped by ECT. I've even considered it for myself.Interestingly, the best theories as to how/why it works, is somewhat similar to electronics engineering: its purpose is to "blow out" the stuck neural pathways, and shift them to different neurons and axons. It is always combined with therapy and medication.There is a lot of ongoing scientific research on psychedelics to achieve the exact same, with less "violence". However, it seems that with psychedelics a human "guide" or "controller" is absolutely necessary, although the neural pathway transitions are much less abrupt.It seems that there is a definite biological working basis on thespirit journeycustoms based on psychedelics in various hunter-gatherer cultures, with positive results for the individual and the group/family/village/tribe. With the advent of agriculture and long-term planning, it seems that humans shifted from psychedelics to shorter-term drugs like hemp and alcohol, because the life changes sometimes seen with psychedelics became unacceptable (as in deciding to suddenly become something other than a farmer).Very interesting stuff. And definitely something nobody should go about alone, without professional help! But it is definitely not "barbaric" per se.

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 09:49:09 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on December 01, 2024, 08:37:30 pmOf course anesthesia is needed. It's "surgical" in a sense. I, too , know someone who had it. She was a classmate who went from very smart and more than the usual "hyper" to wandering the halls in a fog (bipolar schizophrenia).QuoteBS. Show data on how schizophrenia is due to stuck neural pathways in the brain that is "blown out" compared to normal thinking. Specifically, what is the mechanism for selective destruction of such neuro pathways by electrical shock? How are they identified?QuoteSorry, my experience with psychedelics is limited to training with some professors in psych who seemed to be affected.QuoteSome people thought making castrati was not barbaric. ECT is not reversible; most drugs are.I don't share your faith in the scientific validity of what clinical psychiatrists do. That doesn't mean there is no good scientific work being done to solve schizophrenia and other mental disorders. That work must continue, but unfortunately, anything that affects a person's mind can be used for the wrong/political reasons.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 11:41:18 pm
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on December 01, 2024, 09:49:09 pmFirst, I don't know how ECT helps those suffering from schitzophrenia or schitzoaffective disorder; only when used for MDD, major depressive disorder (and then usually only if self-harm ideation is involved, often with bipolar disorder).Second, the pathways are not destroyed, only their sensitivity to stimuli is affected. That's why the "blown out" was in parentheses. It is an intuitively descriptive term that has little to do with what actually happens, because what actually happens is very complicated and poorly understood.Human neurophysiology with respect to mental disorder syndromes is poorly known. Even post mortem dissection provides very little information; only fMRI seems to clearly show differences between a healthy brain and one suffering from one of these syndromes.With respect to Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) and such changes, you might wish to seehttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6489983/, andhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5029760/to compare schizophrenia to schizoaffective disorder and bipolar disorder.Me no psychiatrist, just trying to describe these in intuitively understandable terms. In particular, it is not single axons or single neurons or single pathways that are affected, but ratherregionsof unwanted activity that the treatments (both ECT and psychedelics) actually target. The effect is that the activity shifts somewhat (AIUI visibly in fMRI), and allows medication and therapy to actually work.Quote from: jpanhalt on December 01, 2024, 09:49:09 pmIt looks like the basis is somewhat similar: to deactivate the overactive pathways, or shift stimuli "processing" to different neurons.Quote from: jpanhalt on December 01, 2024, 09:49:09 pmAre you aware that it can actuallyextendthe castrato's lifespan?Nothingin medicine is clear-cut. Everything has its downsides.Quote from: jpanhalt on December 01, 2024, 09:49:09 pmTrue.Here in Finland, ECT is only used with major depressive disorder when medication proves ineffective. And they thoroughly describe the possible negative side effects (which I believe vary with the brain region affected, between disorders).Quote from: jpanhalt on December 01, 2024, 09:49:09 pmOh, I am well aware that it is basically informed guessing and trial and error more than anything else, and not a precise science. Itcannotbe a precise science, because individual human brains differ way too much for that for our current resources. (If we ever develop the technology to simulate the physiology of a human from their DNA and external factors, maybe. But not before that.)My own attitude is "this is definitely not perfect, and we could do better; but at least there are people trying to find better solutions". Large pharmaceutical companies and their legally mandated drive for profits is making that a lot more difficult, though. Selling therapeutics instead of cures is simply better business for everybody (except the patient involved).Quote from: jpanhalt on December 01, 2024, 09:49:09 pmVery true. Here in Finland, there are a few psychiatrists close to politicians who are very willing to write a diagnosis and referral to indefinite in-patient care without ever seeing the patient, because of ideological reasons. It's horribly scary, really; but most doctors are just trying to do their job (and do it well). I have encountered two or three awful ones, but ten times as many good ones, so I'd say you have the same distribution as with humans in general: some will help you, some will exploit you, and the rest do not care.With those suffering from mental disorders the most difficult thing is that they may not be able at all to discern between the three. Here in Finland, one must pretty actively seek help (whichisavailable, but often with long queues and such, doubly so for those not comfortable talking about themselves openly), which makes this much harder than say seeking help with a broken bone: it's like you need to hop on one foot yourself to the hospital, without cabs or public transport. Yet, there isn't that much difference between the two: you need immediate help to avoid infection/psychotic behaviour, then medicine to stabilize the physiological/psychological situation, then therapy to strengthen the functioning of the damaged part.

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 06:21:29 am
content: Quote from: coppice on December 01, 2024, 07:13:46 pmYes, it was.Abstract:...asbestos-containing cloth was commonly used for electric blankets...Proctor and gamble even used it as insulation in electric toasters...Enjoy your breakfasthttps://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.asbestos.com/products/consumer/&ved=2ahUKEwjepuuGtoiKAxUv0wIHHbF9AKYQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw376GX3WKcpCyhWrInaRfdBX

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 06:34:40 am
content: Quote from: Xena E on December 02, 2024, 06:21:29 amI knew I was justified in saying "You're supposed to eat it, not breathe it" when someone starts choking on some food/drink that went down the wrong hole...

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 06:53:04 am
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on December 02, 2024, 06:34:40 amI doubt that the harmful effects of crystaline fibres is likely to be as great if ingested as opposed to aspirated, however the problem would be that loose fibres from degrading insulation must eventually find their way out into the environment.I have a personal connection to this subject, but it is thought to be associated with talcum, (whether or not contaminated with asbestos isn't known).X

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 07:12:06 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on December 01, 2024, 11:41:18 pmAbsolutely.My initial comments about Kellogg was based on his known eccentricity and willingness to experiment on his patients with little knowledge or concern for the likely outcome of his actions.However.He did have ideas that were to be proven to be basically correct, not just in his electro therapeutic treatments, but also the benefits of regulating diet, exercise, and, genetics.A very clever man, but as I expect Joseph Mengele was too...History has to judge if the harm was out weighed by the benefits. Personally I believe that ECT has helped more than it has harmed with modern methods..X

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2024, 02:53:33 am
content: Place I'm living has grounded sheet metal on wall behind refrigerators (unstable roommates).Ya'll gonna mess with me, now ?OK, go ahead...it's not my emf shielding.We've also got a 'THERA' electronics technician living here (electro stimulation therapy).Go ahead, make fun of (us)...A click of weirdos packen together. The tech dude travels the world as both technician and representative to the customers, that includes veterinarians!

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2024, 04:14:24 am
content: Quote from: RJSV on December 17, 2024, 02:53:33 am?? Please explain further.Did you put it up?What is its purpose?This sounds like garden-variety insanity (tinfoil-hat variety) to me.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2024, 08:02:05 am
content: Yeah, sorry; I do tend to issue my conclusions, in haste....neurologically diverse and all...lol.So, I had been describing life in a house with some other semi-wierd but generally harmless folks, one of whom wished to avoid getting 'frequencies' that come off the refrigerator motors (....I guess....).'Harmless' would be the key, as I haven't more than casual sharing, of the whole house resources. Especially in these days of meth and alcohol over-usage.Ironically, that 'technician' is one of the house mates that hired the 'EMF' consultant- contractor to put up the sheet metal grounds on the kitchen walls. That person knows about interacting with Windows features and other software user detailed knowledge. That's a tech-support skill very valuable (to German Co. operations worldwide.But still has snicker value, dorky roommates make myself look good; better and better.As to fields and phones, etc. I do use some caution; but usually just by setting cellphone down a little distant, from head when sleeping.(It's a pet-peeve of mine, when someone uses the term 'frequencies' got into me,", etc.)Myself, I just fear normal things, like traffic cops, lol.pP

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2024, 08:08:25 am
content: By the way, that last post had text 'lol.pp' that came from (accidently) poking the Android microphone ICON, which gets any television program speech and puts that as garbage in the text window.Funny in a way, depending on whether the (TV) program is on some serious news topic.