How much is a fair price for a Fluke 287 with these conditions ? - Page 1
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author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2013, 02:58:02 am
content: With the following conditions, its a new old stock, never been used and still in the original Fluke carton box, but its not sealed though.All accessories like probes/alligator clips and manual are there, the only missing item is the CD.Whats that CD for ? Just plain soft copy of the documents ?Edit : Just to avoid misunderstanding, I'm not selling, its just I've been offered by local shop here, the box is a bit crushed and few corners are damaged, and + the missing CD, thats why they're offering me with a discounted price, its just I have no idea the fair price is ? Personally I don't need those stinking box.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2013, 06:20:10 am
content: My comments.Amazon USA has it for $450 USD + free shipping. Amazon has an amazing return policy.If the local shop is an authorized Fluke dealer (check with Fluke HQ), then I would say $400 might be a fair price for an open box. If they are not an authorized dealer (i.e. pawn shop), then you are giving up the "lifetime warranty". If that is the case, then I suggest $300 might be a fair price.Be aware that the new old stock 287 is likely not to have the latest firmware as per belowhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-287-289-firmware-update-version-1-16-now-posted/If you have cable to upgrade it, that is no problem. If you don't then the cable might cost a few $$$. With Amazon, you are likely, but not guaranteed, to get latest firmware (it was released in May 2013).

author: ElektroQuark
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 18, 2013, 06:59:59 am
content: The 287-289 cable costs about 40€.

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2013, 07:49:13 am
content: the cd is only documentation like the one you get in that thick manual, and the flukeview software. but its only for the fvf kit and the cable is in that package too not the normal meter itself box

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2013, 11:03:55 pm
content: Really appreciate for the replies, thanks guys.Quote from: retiredcaps on October 18, 2013, 06:20:10 amThis, is what I was expecting to hear, thank you.Yes, I forgot to mention that its a grey market product, not worry though cause I've been a customer for that brick & mortar shop for long time and I trust them, besides by chances, this Fluke 287 should not be a wimpy product that be broken by it self easily, isn't it ?Its used for display only at the shop, and the lcd screen still has the original protective plastic film on it. Its just the box was not stored properly and somehow get crushed/damaged and the CD probably is misplaced somewhere.Current offering is about $330, and also to buy it, I need to visit the shop, allowed to do some physical inspection & brief testing. And the best part as traditional transaction, I may have a chance to do some bargaining.So, if I managed to squeeze it, say < $300, this should be good price right ?Quote from: retiredcaps on October 18, 2013, 06:20:10 amA lot of great infos in that thread there, and didn't know Fluke is still supporting and keep releasing firmware for this 28x model.About the usb->ir cable, I think I will go thru the diy route instead of buying one.Quote from: M. András on October 18, 2013, 07:49:13 amSo I'm assuming that flukeview software can be downloaded from fluke's website, and it should be the same as the one that came with the cd, am I correct ?

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 02:42:22 am
content: No FlukeView is a separate software package - that is only in the bundle models that come with IR Cable. They do pop up on eBay for $40-$200..And check the date on the meter - there has been several hardware revisions. I got a almost brand new 287 for $240 on eBay - with softcase and IR cable.And it is still a current meter - which is why you get software updates

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 03:40:15 am
content: kaz911, so for plain jane version of Fluke 28X without IR cable, that CD is not supposed to be bundled ?Do you know whats the latest hardware revision ?Thanks btw.

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 03:56:16 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 19, 2013, 03:40:15 amThere are 2 CD's in the "bundle" version - one with manuals - the other with FlukeView Forms.The non-bundle has a CD with Manuals only.I don't remember the HW versions - but next time I plug in my 287 i'll start the firmware update software - it shows the hardware revisionsFor $400-$550 you can get the 289 FLV Bundle on eBay - which includes the IR cable and FlukeView forms.So being the @ bargain @ hunter I am - I would start by offering them $260 for the bare meter.with an invoice so you can register it and get full warranty. And if you like it and they resist - then move slowly towards $300. If they want more than $300 forget it - and find one on eBay. But buying on eBay takes time to find the right one at the right price. So that is best for people who are not in a hurry.It is a great meter due to the logging capability. But it is power hungry and will eat batteries for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 04:08:56 am
content: Thats the plan to get approx at $250 or even better out of that deal, and also as a bargain hunter, I see the luxury of having a physical inspection + brief testing worth some value in $ too, compared to buying things online which carries certain risks.Regarding FlukeView, I guess I'm out of luck.You're right, the primary reason I'm interested in this high end Fluke handheld DMM is it's logging capability, and I need a "reliable & dependable" hand held tool that can carry out this task smoothly. It will be coupled working in tandem with my recently boughtTektronix THS710Ahandheld scope+dmm.Btw, do Eneloop cells work well in this battery sucking beastie DMM ? For how long ?

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 05:10:54 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 19, 2013, 04:08:56 amI cant get eneloop batteries here. But it does not like the lower cell voltage of rechargeables - so they will work but not for long before it claims it needs more juice.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 05:28:26 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 19, 2013, 04:08:56 amFor the 287, I would inspect the battery compartment for any corrosion if the batteries were left inside. Also make sure the expensive HRC fuses are good in case someone demonstrated the multimeter incorrectly.The lowest price I have seen on ebay for a NIB Fluke 287 (recently) is $275 + $12.35 s/h.http://www.ebay.com/itm/251358919861QuoteDuane Smith posted this on FlukeNation a while back "Can I use 1.2 V NiMH AA batteries with Fluke 289?"http://flukenation.com/posts/bfa022612fposted June 6, 2008 by DuaneS"We don't any data on performance with anything other than alkaline batteries but here are the approximate threshholds. Your mileage may vary. Full >8.4V Partly empty 3, 7.8-8.4V Partly empty 2, 7.2-7.8V Partly empty 1, 6.6-7.2V Amost empty, 5.4-6.4V Empty 5.4, meter shuts down"Duane Smith is Sr. Sales Support Engineer at Fluke Corporationhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/duane-smith/11/434/436

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 06:27:39 am
content: Quote from: kaz911 on October 19, 2013, 05:10:54 amWow .. that is really surprising to hear that, I thought all this times the Eneloop brand rules the world when it comes to top tier consumer NiMH battery at AA or AAA size cells ?Quote from: retiredcaps on October 19, 2013, 05:28:26 amOk, I am very firm now, will try to squeeze out at below $300, thanks for the pricing infos, this is what I want, to get the feel the on price, before this I was basically clueless and didn't have any idea what the approximate fair pricing, great.Don't worry, as I said, I'm allowed to do the physical inspection, the battery terminals and the HRC fuses will definitely in my priority check list.Quote from: retiredcaps on October 19, 2013, 05:28:26 amOk, at least I know what to expect when using NiMH cell on this Fluke 287, basically I have tons this Eneloop batteries and mostly used in my photography gadgets dan flashlights. Personally, I really hate to use alkaline cells because of the leaks.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 06:40:46 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 19, 2013, 06:27:39 amIn datalogging mode, the 287 with fresh akalines runs for about 200 hours according to the manual.If someone knows the discharge rate or current consumption of the 287, then you can look at the eneloop datasheet and compare.If I'm reading the graph correctly, at 100mA discharge rate, you almost get 1900mAh with voltage > 1.2.http://www.eneloop.info/home/technology/capacity.html

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 07:33:17 am
content: Googled for this Fluke 28x + Nimh battery topic hoping to find a good reference, since its obvious this must be discussed before somewhere, and while reading at the google results .. lo & behold, one of the entries is pointing back in this forum.Here it is ->NimH batteries for Fluke 287/289, enough said, read it your self, its all good with NiMH cell.

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 08:15:37 pm
content: i run my 289 with black/purple markings 2500mah eneloops when the cells are fully charged it shows full battery. it runs for me almost twice as the original duracells did, best of all it wont corrode the terminals, yeah the fluke software can be downloaded from them. the software has no protection at all so their "demo" runs just as fine as you install from their disk. for the diy cable well getting a mating connector made for it even on a 3d part would be the hard part. rest is just a damn serial to usb converter from the data what the windows says i never popped mine apart so cant give you details. i think the internals mostly the same for the 2 meter, mine have a rev3 board according to the meter info and its made around 2012 january according to the cal data

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 09:42:28 pm
content: Quote from: kaz911 on October 19, 2013, 05:10:54 amThe Duracell "stay charged" white colored top that are made in Japan are widely rumored to be eneloops rebranded. Search for "duraloop" and you will find lots of threads and evidence.They come in 2000mAh or 2400mAh just like the eneloops.

author: quarks
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2013, 03:56:27 am
content: My 289 works perfect with Eneloop (2000 mAh).

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2013, 05:34:31 am
content: M. András & quarks, great to hear that eneloop does really perform there, yes, no more damn alkaline, I'm happy now.Btw, with a full charged Eneloop cells, say I just need the dmm to do data logging just for 2 to 3 hours, this should not be problem right ?Just wish me luck, hoping I can get a good bargain there and going to visit the shop in few days.Quote from: M. András on October 19, 2013, 08:15:37 pmCool & thanks !But I will not have the "disk" or the CD, will that be a problem ?Quote from: M. András on October 19, 2013, 08:15:37 pmCurrently I just need that IR->USB cable for upgrading the firmware only, although I don't know yet which version in there, it should be quite old since it has been used as a display unit for a while.From below photos, its based on the common FTDI FT232RL chip, should not be a big deal if just for one off firmware upgrade with DIY cable. But if there is a need for logging constantly, I will consider to buy the Fluke IR189USB cable, agree after looking at the dmm's IR port physical shape, it will be much less hassle if I need a firm & reliable IR connection.Here the teardown photos of the Fluke IR189USB, from here ->Sigrok's reference on Fluke IR189USB

author: quarks
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2013, 10:11:56 am
content: I have not noticed a difference in runtime between Alkaline and my Eneloops. Your 3h datalogging is a short time and no problem. I have not done real longtime datalogging, but my guess is, it is no significant difference to Alkaline. BTW so far for my use one charge per year is all I did.My IR/USB adapter looks identical to your picture and has a sticker Rev. II on it. But I do not know what is changed.

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2013, 02:03:49 pm
content: i ran mine on whole days for logging mains during storms etc the black 2500mah eneloops outperforms the alkaline batteries, if i remember right you can do 2days approx with only a bar's charge from the battery. btw BravoV the meter can do days of datalogging if the intervals set for good, however when logging to pc via the cable it sends data as quick as the display updates normally so you can log multiple times more datapoints to the pc then to the internal memory, when i played with it i think somewhere around 3-5 sample/s to the pc while on internal logging 1/s is the max plus the threshold changes, you can set that too. if you need i can give you an approximate dimensions on the ir cable even if i have time i can make a 3d model of the mating side too i can measure the thing down to 0.01mm mitutoyo digital calipers are fantastic

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2013, 03:21:17 pm
content: Quote from: M. András on October 20, 2013, 02:03:49 pmGreat, didn't know that when connected to PC the sampling speed is increasing by multiple folds.Quote from: M. András on October 20, 2013, 02:03:49 pmHow can one rejects such a generous offer ? Yes please, and thanks a lot.

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2013, 05:31:26 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 20, 2013, 03:21:17 pmif i remember correctly i could zoom into the logsheet's graph between the 1 second intervals and see changes within it. so thats why i say it logs more then 1/s to pc. i dont have a scope or similar to look at the data packets on the adapter,as for the measurements may take a few days as my dayjob takes almost my full weekdays

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 07:21:13 am
content: Scored for $220, apparently there was a misunderstanding, its not an old display unit. Actually its quite new (manufactured in April 2013), and it was only used shortly in an exhibition for display unit inside an encased display glass box. Looks like one of their employee misplaced the CD and the manual somewhere, so not only the cd is missing as I was told before. Actually its good news, used that missing manual to bargain for even more.@retiredcaps, remembered your concerns about the battery compartment and the fuses, took close up shots on that parts just for you, and again, thanks for the reminder.Few shots below bragging my new 287.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 09:11:49 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 21, 2013, 07:21:13 amI don't need a Fluke 287, but if I got the same deal, I would get it.QuoteBattery corrosion could lead to this type of ebay auction ...http://www.ebay.com/itm/141095894939

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 04:18:49 pm
content: if you can get another for 250bucks im in for one . i need a second meter anyways

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 02:24:13 am
content: @retiredcaps,It came with Energizer alkalines, all gone into the dumpster even they're still fresh, now its powered by black XX eneloop 2400 mAH cells.@M. András,That was just plain luck, don't think I can easily bump into this kind of deal again.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 04:04:12 am
content: A surprising development, due to unplanned & unfortunatechain of events at the seller, I'm ended up with these with total expenditure 220(1st)+120(2nd)=$340. For sure wifey will not going to sympathize me for blowing off my electronic "hobbyist" budget.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 05:15:27 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 24, 2013, 04:04:12 amAt $120, Ineedone. It is easily the best deal I have seen on a 287.You could easily resell one in the $300 range and have one left for a net price of $40.

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 09:48:36 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 24, 2013, 04:04:12 amThat pair would cost [the equivalent of] 1530,- USD at an authorized Fluke dealer here in Denmark. Excluding sales tax. I'll take one of them off your hands for $300 if she complains too loudly.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 09:53:41 am
content: Agree, that is a very tempting thought about selling one.These deals were made possible also because of the good relationship with the shop, and personally I know the shop owner very well for years. The price for the 2nd one actually came out from the shop owner's mouth himself as part of the chaos happened at there, not very clear though, its like they're cleaning up some inventory to chase up with the 4th quarter sales target/number or something related, and this shop is part of the bigger company group that well known as a distributor for branded TMM & Medical appliances.As I mentioned before, I need two data loggers, and with these twins, I can save my hand held Tek scope from doing this "dirty" job. So sorry, I'm not feeling to let go one of them now.To be honest, this 287 is the most advanced hand held DMM I had ever own personally, and not only one, got two at the same time, no wonder I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with joy now.

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 10:07:09 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 24, 2013, 09:53:41 amMakes sense, I'd probably do the same in your situation.Quote from: BravoV on October 24, 2013, 09:53:41 amIt was certainly the deal of the week IMO.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 01:42:23 pm
content: Definitely a great deal. The 287 is probably up there with the most advanced hand held DMMs, and apart from the size I wouldn't mind using it for daily use, even though I don't think Dave liked it for that.

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2013, 03:02:31 pm
content: lucky man, seriously could you score me at at the same prices?alm: the 28x series fluke is not that large if you have a normal size hand, and i have sllightly below normal size and i can hold the meter just fine, and its not a compact meter like those little chinese stuffsbtw for the price my 289fvf kit was approx 1k usd from an authorized distributor here. and they gave me a huge discount considering with taxes etc the price was the farnell price minus vat. and here the farnell charges our 27% vatwhile on their uk site there isnt even any metion of vat so seriously.....

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2013, 01:13:07 pm
content: I have a medium sized hand too and don't feel its too big, maybe Dave has small hand ?M. András,Since you mentioned it 1st, yes, "IF" I can score "another" one with similar cheap price, you will the 1st to know.But again, that was like waiting for the planets in solar system to line up again, really, its so weird that even now I still don't believe it really happened like that my self.

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2013, 03:32:49 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 25, 2013, 01:13:07 pmyeh, its like when the auction ended on a slightly used wha 900 weller hot air station with 1 nozzle included i was outbid by 1 euro. it went for 250eur initially. left with a chinese s.... for a while again.as i wont spend 1300eur+vat here for a hotair tool which contains a smal pcb a turbine and a heating element and the casual weller casing. damn work times in the country.... btw i will make the model of the ir cable for the meter or atleast try it. never used the sheetmetal forming tool to make that shape but the connecting and would be simple to replicate. or atleast i give you the measurements in mail. btw mail me the format which you prefer i mean the cad file

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2013, 08:48:02 pm
content: Quote from: M. András on October 25, 2013, 03:32:49 pmDoh .. I don't do CAD or 3D stuff, is PDF with three axis views possible ? I mean like the style used at mechanical engineering paper sheet.

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2013, 07:36:49 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 25, 2013, 08:48:02 pmalright i will try. i havent had any luck regarding to export my works properly to printable drawings. will see

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2013, 05:43:02 pm
content: M. András, much appreciated !Meanwhile, at the 2nd unit, since it was a display & demo unit for walk in customers, it was installed with alkaline cells. I skipped the battery terminals checking at this 2nd unit when dealing since it was quite hectic moment at there, especially it was offered at the good price. Today just had a time to fully inspect it, it happened again, and the DMM battery capacity was still showing full bar with those shitty batteries, I will just let the photos below speak for it self.Yes, the price is really good that made this is not a big deal, but still this really pissed me off seeing the nickel plating at the terminal is gone and showing sign of rusting.Damn it, enough is enough, no more f*#@king alkaline cell will ever touch my gadgets anymore.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 26, 2013, 05:47:18 pm
content: Those batteries are not past their use by date. Don't Energizer offer some sort of warranty for damage by leaking batteries? I seem to recall someone having Energizer pay for equipment repair or replacement.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2013, 06:21:01 pm
content: Its not worth the effort, last time I did try at my ruined camera flash unit, and ended up got stuck in loop at their bureaucracy for > 3 months, gave up in the process cause its too long.I've never use alkaline for quite long time, thats why I asked at the beginning at this thread about using nimh/eneloop at this meter, and usually when I brought a new gadget back home that was installed with alkaline, the 1st thing I did was to throw them away even they're fresh, I've experienced enough with these in the past.Just couldn't believe it happened again at this new 287, I missed & forgot to do that since I'm quite busy traveling lately, hard lesson learned, again.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2013, 09:48:48 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 26, 2013, 05:43:02 pmOops.Well, you can try to clean off those battery terminals with baking soda and vinegar. At least yours doesn't look as bad as the 187 I bought.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/fluke-187-corroded-battery-terminals-how-to-clean/

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2013, 09:50:43 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 26, 2013, 06:21:01 pmThat leakage probably happened long before you bought the unit. I'll still take it for $120 as the damage looks, on the photos, to be minimal, at least compared to mine 187.If you had checked at the store, you might have gotten the 287 for $100 USD?

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2013, 11:59:00 am
content: You still got an incredible deal IMHO.The terminals aren't bad, and can be cleaned. Or you could change them out if you prefer.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 01:51:15 am
content: Quote from: retiredcaps on October 26, 2013, 09:48:48 pmThat looks so nasty, btw, I can see that thread was created last year, how is it now ? After cleaning, did you apply anything to that exposed metal, maybe like grease or something to coat the exposed metal ?Quote from: retiredcaps on October 26, 2013, 09:50:43 pmYeah, must be started for a while, but hey, when the bargaining with the store manager was reaching like < $150, I was like saying to my self to stop being too greedy, and no further hard bargaining, was worry he might stopped the offering at all.Quote from: nanofrog on October 28, 2013, 11:59:00 amYeah, the nickel coating is not heavily affected yet, its now cleaned and coated thinly with dielectric grease using cotton bud at the non contact area.