Is YouTube changing??? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 12:32:50 pm
content: Is it just me, or is virtuallyeveryYouTube video NOW plagued with at LEAST 4 times as many Ads, that seemto be automatically edited in, beyond what the 'poster' may have wanted affiliated with their post???

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 02:34:09 pm
content: Yes. Youtube is becoming much worse by leaps and bounds. It's no longer just from the point of view of the content creators, but also from the point of view of the consumer.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 03:05:09 pm
content: I use youtube-dl, the only "ads" I see are the ones the creator embedded.If they want more ad views, perhaps we could just start a few videos playing on some old smartphones and leave them running all day. (Would that make them enough revenue to be worth the electricity use?)

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 03:49:05 pm
content: I stump up the $2.99 per month - problem solved. Changes the whole YT experience.

author: igendel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 03:59:18 pm
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on December 25, 2020, 12:32:50 pmThey recently introduced a new, annoying [edit:moreannoying] kind of ads, which the content creator - if s/he so chooses - has toactivelyopt-out of. Many probably didn't bother.

author: joseph nicholas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 04:07:25 pm
content: I only see adds on my Android phone, the Windows OS with Ad Blocker on my laptop gets rid of the interruptions.

author: Trader
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 04:26:47 pm
content: uBlock Origin (for Laptop/Desktop) or Youtube Vanced (for Cellphone)https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm?hl=enhttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/https://vancedapp.com/https://www.xda-developers.com/youtube-vanced-apk/More than 10 years ago I realized they use to put ads on Youtube and several Websites, but I thought they stop doing that.

author: WattsThat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 04:34:19 pm
content: iPad + Brave browser = zero YT adverts.

author: asmi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 06:44:28 pm
content: I have YouTube Premium sub, so no ads anywhere. And I support creators that I watch.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 09:28:40 pm
content: Quote from: asmi on December 25, 2020, 06:44:28 pmThe creators will get more if you give to them using Bitcoin, Patreon, Subscribestar, etc. and then use an adblocker to remove the ads.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2020, 10:02:44 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 25, 2020, 03:05:09 pmDoes that literally download the video to your PC, so you can view it from there? Does it support the high res videos?

author: Refrigerator
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2020, 12:03:32 am
content: Youtube is becoming TV2.It's been downhill ever since "broadcast yourself" disappeared from the logo.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2020, 12:13:47 am
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on December 25, 2020, 10:02:44 pmYes, and it defaults to downloading the highest resolution available.

author: pardo-bsso
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2020, 12:14:28 am
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on December 25, 2020, 10:02:44 pmYes to all. It can also transcode, get only video, subtitles, etc.Another nice tool is streamlink.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2020, 03:36:44 am
content: Youtube is unusable without an ad blocker. I use ublock and always forget there even is ads until I decide to try using it on my phone.

author: Trader
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2020, 03:56:47 am
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on December 26, 2020, 03:36:44 amCheck my post.

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 10:40:04 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 25, 2020, 03:05:09 pmHi there. Yes, after reading your reply, and quite a few others about 'uBlock' etc, I suddenly realized!!!I've recently changed/experimenting with a new browser, and forgot that I always had the 'uBlock' Add-in active, whenpreviously using Firefox. I've now added it to my new browser, and all is fine again!! I thought that things like those Adblockers only blocked the other modules of Ads from web-pages... I didn't know it would stop the 'mid-video' Ads??

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 12:04:19 pm
content: We all like the thought of Dave making money from his Youtube posts, but I was blown away by thisfollowingguy!!(I am NOT affiliated with this guy, just amazed). He goes under the name of 'MrBeast', which is certainly a misnomer!as he is very kind & helpful, and gives away most of his money, to help the general public. His only stipulation is toNOT ask him for money, as it would snowball out of control.. (duh..). After research, I found out he makes up to1.6 Million Dollars a month! from his advertising procurement!! Below is just one of his many Videos where he findspeople in various shops, to grab everything they can within a time period, and it's theirs. Often, the shops/items aretoo big for a trolley, so they just have to TOUCH the items while running around!He seems to be a legit sort of guy...

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 12:04:34 pm
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on December 27, 2020, 10:40:04 amuBlock is great. Too bad, some websites lock their content, if they see an adblock.We need an Adblock blocker blocker.And something for TV Youtube would be nice. Other than a PiHole.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 12:59:32 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on December 27, 2020, 12:04:34 pmA lot of the time, a "F5 and ESC" breaks the adblock breaker if timed right. Then there are ad "hiders" like AdNauseam.https://adnauseam.io/

author: asmi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 03:14:41 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 25, 2020, 09:28:40 pmThat's too much trouble for me, especially since adblocker doesn't work on Android YT app. I like convenience Premium gives me, including downloading videos without any third party tools.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 03:24:39 pm
content: I don't use youtube enough to warrant a subscription. I use it even less now that it is so full of ads.

author: Karel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 03:39:40 pm
content: The same here, no ads with Firefox and Adblock Plus.But I try to avoid youtube because of their terrible censorship.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 05:00:23 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 25, 2020, 09:28:40 pmand YT shouldn't get anything for providing massive amounts of storage and bandwidth?

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 09:28:31 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on December 27, 2020, 12:04:34 pmThey are usually website that don't merit traffic.WIRED wants me to disable adblock so i can se the startup of the week with their new super duper app? hah. they can die in the fire with their shitty articles

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 09:29:34 pm
content: Quote from: langwadt on December 27, 2020, 05:00:23 pmI have an android phone. They get too much money already from giving my data to their paying customersbesides, have you ever seen that meme about bandwidth for the content vs bandwidth for the ads?

author: Trader
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 09:43:15 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on December 27, 2020, 12:04:34 pmI use uBlock for several years (+5), maybe only 4 sites blocked me, but I also use NoScript and I blocked those websites script, now they don't block me anymore.

author: Trader
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 09:45:04 pm
content: Quote from: asmi on December 27, 2020, 03:14:41 pmhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/is-youtube-changing/msg3385576/#msg3385576

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 09:54:23 pm
content: I only use it on my PC with an adblocker anymore, it became completely unusable on other platforms, the ads are not only annoying in general but the way they're patched in makes it greatly more irritating. The video you're watching will just cut out mid-word an an ad starts blaring.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 09:59:07 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on December 27, 2020, 12:04:34 pmWhen I encounter one of those I reload the page 5 or 6 times to waste their bandwidth and then go elsewhere. Maybe some day they'll learn that some people will tolerate ads and some people won't, but most of those who could potentially be swayed will ditch and never bothered to return if they're blocked from getting in.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 10:03:41 pm
content: Quote from: langwadt on December 27, 2020, 05:00:23 pmNot my problem, I'm not a charity for corporations. It's up to them to find a viable business model, and given YT is part of Google which is one of the wealthiest corporations in the world they don't seem to be having a problem with that. They make billions of dollars just harvesting data and building profiles on those who visit the site and watch the videos. There are also lots of ways of advertising that are not intrusive or disruptive, the advertisers have done it to themselves and have only themselves to blame. They made the choice of making ads ever more annoying in a desperate grab for our attention and the result has been an ever increasing number of people who get fed up and just block it all.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 10:05:38 pm
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on December 25, 2020, 12:32:50 pmNo, they are not edited in. Youtueb are just inserting more midroll ads.Those with Youtube Premium never see any ads.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 10:07:56 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 25, 2020, 09:28:40 pmYes, but most people watch videos on Youtueb from countless different creator, most of whom you'll never bother to support or donate to. Youtube Premium is at lest a way to ensure that the creator of every video you watch getssomething.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 10:09:02 pm
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on December 26, 2020, 03:36:44 amOr you simply pony up some cash and get Youtube Premium, over half of which goes to the creators you watch.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 10:12:45 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2020, 10:03:41 pmThey have, it's called Youtube Premium.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2020, 10:18:03 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 27, 2020, 10:12:45 pmSome will pay, some will use an ad blocker, serving videos to those using blockers is just a cost of doing business IMO, they're making a fortune so it seems to be working. I watch youtube so little that it's not even really worth subscribing, maybe 5 or 6 videos a month but it's probably a good deal for those who watch it more.

author: engrguy42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2021, 03:43:01 pm
content: I totally agree with those who use adblockers and such. Hell, when some tech youtuber spends hours and days working on a video, and puts it up there for free, why the hell should I click on a freakin' ad to give him 0.01 pico-cents of revenue? I'll just blame some "greedy corporation", and ignore the fact that I'm kicking the creator in the teeth. This stuff should be FREE. Just like everything else in this world is free, right? Free training at college, free automobiles, free housing...I'm ENTITLED to free stuff. And moreover, if I then ask the creator for some help, or for a video on a different subject, he should respond right away. For free. And any criticisms I give him come with the territory. Deal with it, dude.Is youtube changing? Well, I suspect for tech youtubers it is. Because of attitudes like this. I suspect in the not-to-distant future youtube will ultimately devolve into an entertainment-only paid TV/cable channel like all the others. Because sadly, at the end of the day, all people REALLY want is entertainment. Prank videos, cats playing pianos, music videos, neighborhood tours, unboxing videos....People only want real tech stuff when they need a quick answer to a question from school or work, or help with a hobby. And it has to be less than 4 minutes. Otherwise, learning gives them a headache.We love to blame big corporations, but it's not about them. They're doing what their viewers want, because that's what makes money. Just like YOU do what your employer or customers want. That's how you make income. Because virtually nobody does stuff for free in the real world.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2021, 05:02:12 pm
content: If those tech youtubers spend hours and days working on a video, all to get my 0.01 from me by clicking on ads, they should find a better job.The entire youtube can go to Hell and i wil not cry. World was a better place before youtube.

author: Karel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2021, 05:29:31 pm
content: Youtube (and the internet in general) goes down the drain because of two things: censorship and advertisement.I would like to see disappear all ads and that all websites that use advertisement for revenue go behind a paywall instead.My way to try to make this happen is to use Firefox with some addons like adblock, privacy badger, canvasblocker and cookie auto delete.Fortunately, more and more (news)sites disappear behind paywalls these days. And that's exactly where I want them.I hope the rest follows.Normally I don't block the ads on top of this page but that blinking/moving ad from jlpcb is annoying soI removed it with two mouseclicks. (right-click on it -> ABP block element)I can't stand flashing/moving banners.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2021, 05:34:42 pm
content: Yeah, I mainly use Firefox with an extension that removes Youtube ads, so hardly see any.But I occasionally use Chrome or Opera on mobile devices, and I have noticed many videos are now bombarded with ads compared to what it was even a few months ago. I don't know if there's any way (any extension or such) to avoid ads in Chrome or Opera? Or if there is any Android Youtube viewer that can cut ads?

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2021, 05:40:31 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on January 06, 2021, 05:02:12 pmutter nonsense

author: engrguy42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2021, 06:19:04 pm
content: "utter nonsense."I agree. Hell, 30 years ago I didn't even KNOW what a "prank video" was !!If you look at the Youtube stats, I think it's incredibly clear that the vast majority of the entire planet uses Youtube for two things: Music videos and entertainment. We're talking BILLIONS of people. Just look at the top 50 channels. It's all about music videos and entertainment.Now, if you consider the availability of music videos and entertainment to anyone with a smartphone an important aspect in improving our society, then yeah, Youtube is saving the world.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2021, 12:14:58 am
content: Quote from: Bud on January 06, 2021, 05:02:12 pmThat's a rather nihilistic view. Youtube is what you make of it. It has a lot of garbage in terms of content, sure. But you can actively seek out and subscribe to channels that offer the quality content you like. There is so many good stuff out there, highly educational and creative. Not many platforms offer the same level of variety and amount of content.

author: nightfire
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2021, 12:44:07 am
content: Youtube simply is a platform for content, like many others are. And yes, they have to make money to pay the costs for servers, bandwidth and so on. So I don't blame them for coming up with a business model to get that money- after all, most of the viewers are there out of their free will, aren't they?The real issue is in front of the screen. And, in front of the screen lies a big misconception: In front of the screen sits not the customer, but the real product that gets marketed...And this product has an unique property amongst other products: It can decice, where to watch ads...This means: I don't blame youtube for trying to get some money out of those videos. I only would wish that there would be some more transparent ways of supporting people that do very good videos with what they are doing. Yes, I could use paypal or Patreon or whatever stuff is currently in style, but it sometimes can get time-consuming, and micro-ttransactions really cost a good deal of a cut for the transferring agents that do the money transfer, so a significant part of those small payments will not reach the real content creator.Also the "free" mindset of lots of people is questionable- I use open source stuff lots of years now, and the mindset there is a bit different- there its like "Free as in free beer"- the people know what an amount of work is behind some program or other stuff and honor it- whether with their time of doing other things for that project or for chipping in some donations to keep things going...But mostly, lots of people stop thinking about the whole picture of a situation as such, when they don't have to pay money upfront. :-(

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2021, 12:54:51 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 06, 2021, 05:34:42 pmThere are two very good ones: Newpipe and Youtube Vanced.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 02:33:46 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on December 25, 2020, 03:49:05 pmWhat option is $2.99/mo? YouTube premium is about $12/mo in USA and $15/mo here...

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 11:10:53 am
content: If they would stop screwing around with the UI and replace it with one that loads fast on browsers other than Chrome I might consider paying for Premium.

author: engrguy42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 08:15:28 pm
content: Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on January 07, 2021, 12:14:58 amYou realize that people aren't interested in "educational and creative", right? They want video games where they can sit for hours shooting guys' heads off. Or, worse yet, spend hours watching SOMEBODY ELSE play video games. They'll gladly pay a monthly fee for Netflix and HBO subscriptions and not blink an eye. But "educational"? Not even on the radar. Spend 5 seconds watching an ad in a Youtube video so the creator gets 0.1 micro-cents? No freakin' way.Well, unless the creator has his cat in the background.By the way, if anyone wants to be amazed, look at the list of those videos that have gone viral to the tune of BILLIONS of views in only a few days. Music and entertainment.Tech/educational channels often are lucky to get thousands of views in a span of months. Unless it's a 3 minute video showing the latest gaming GPU that just came out and "blows the shorts off" the previous GPU's by 1.3 frames per second. Especially if it has cool LED's and stuff.That's what people want.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 08:27:57 pm
content: Quote from: engrguy42 on January 08, 2021, 08:15:28 pmbefore youtube there was TV with loads of crap and nothing elsewith youtube, still lots of crap but also some technical, educational and creative

author: engrguy42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 08:40:32 pm
content: I used to watch a guy who was a really talented software developer. Really good at teaching a software language I wanted to learn. His videos were just that, explaining the language and how it worked. All tech, all educational, writing code.Then he quit his job and decided to go full time into Youtube. And he decided in order to get decent income he needed to change things drastically. Now instead of how to write code it's videos of him responding to video games, and discussing stuff that is 80% entertainment and only 20% technology and education. Because that's what people want.Over the years I've seen channel after channel buckle to the desires of their audience for more entertainment and less education and tech. I suspect his next move will be reviewing the latest "ooo, shiny" new hardware like most of the other computer tech channels.And I'm sure he'll buy a cat. And maybe have his girlfriend join him. And maybe even start doing pranks.That's what people really want. That's what Youtube is becoming. In fact it's almost there.

author: asmi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 08:52:19 pm
content: Quote from: engrguy42 on January 08, 2021, 08:40:32 pmSo why are you blaming youtube for being a mirror which simply reflects society we live in for what it really is, not as we want it to be?It sounds like a classic example of shooting the messenger.

author: engrguy42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 09:27:17 pm
content: Quote from: asmi on January 08, 2021, 08:52:19 pmIf you actually read my posts, it's clear that I'm the only person here saying that it's NOT Youtube's fault, and those who claim it's the fault of the "big greedy corporation" or their ads or their censorship or whatever are missing the obvious fact that it's the USERS who drive every single thing that Youtube (or any other business) does.But we humans are absolutely incapable of blaming ourselves, so we point fingers.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 11:05:12 pm
content: Quote from: engrguy42 on January 08, 2021, 09:27:17 pmProfit motive of corporations (including Youtube's owner) has nothing to do with it?

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 11:13:31 pm
content: Quote from: rdl on January 08, 2021, 11:10:53 amPerhaps the coders who did Adobe Flash didn't all retire to the beach like we thought.

author: engrguy42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2021, 11:44:32 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on January 08, 2021, 11:05:12 pmWhat's the problem with profit motive?? Everyone has it. You have it, or else you wouldn't go to work every day to make money. Every single human on the planet has it. The goal is to get profit so you can pay the bills and hopefully have some $$ left over to buy fun stuff. And we do whatever we can to get more. How is that possibly a bad thing?? Try to get the most you can for the product or service you provide.I keep hearing people blaming "greedy corporations" for all kinds of terrible stuff, and then the same people find ways to pay the least amount of taxes to increase their profits. They want to get more pay for the work they do to increase their profits. They want to win the lottery (other peoples' money) to get more money for themselves. They want to pay as little as they can at the department store to increase their profits. They buy cheap stuff from China, where wages are super low and people are poor, so they can increase their profits.And I guarantee there's not a lot of Youtube employees who complain about Youtube profit motive. It's what keeps them employed and pays their bills and feeds their family and allows them to go on vacation.Like I say, we humans are absolutely incapable of blaming ourselves so we point fingers at everyone else.The hypocrisy is jaw dropping. "Do as I say, not as I do"

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 01:49:27 am
content: Quote from: engrguy42 on January 08, 2021, 11:44:32 pmDid I say there was a problem with it? I am pointing out that there are many motives beyond the concerns of USERS that drive what you see on Youtube.No casual viewer ever asked for ads to appear, right?

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 01:54:58 am
content: Quote from: engrguy42 on January 08, 2021, 08:40:32 pmMillions line up to go to college, yet few people really want to learn.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 02:20:29 am
content: Well, a good example where entertainment is more popular than pure education is the originator of this very forum or ElectroBOOM when compared to, say, w2aew or The Signal Path. Sure, Dave has a lot of knowledge to share, but the funny and iconic style brought him to the forefront of this niche corner of Youtube.

author: engrguy42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 12:08:13 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on January 09, 2021, 01:49:27 amI'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Seems pretty straight forward isn't it? Youtube provides a service to users, just like Netflix or HBO or any one of a thousand services on this planet that are provided to, and directed to customers.And in order for those services to be successful and provide maximum profit to the providers, the services are designed around the wants and needs of customers. No service provider with half a brain would provide services that nobody is willing to pay for. Just like every product and service on the planet. You find out what your customers want, and design your products and services to meet those wants.And what the entire planet is willing to pay for is entertainment and music videos. Even if "pay for" means nothing more than watching advertisements, on the hope that a fraction of watchers will actually buy the product.You're right, no casual viewer ever asked for ads to appear. Just like nobody strolling down the aisles of WalMart wants price tags on any of the products. But that's not how the world works. You have to pay for stuff.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 04:19:19 pm
content: Quote from: engrguy42 on January 09, 2021, 12:08:13 pmI guess it struck me as naive to say that pleasing the customer is the only input (or most important input) to a design process.Instead, a product embodies a balance between the need for profit and the need to please the customer (as well as other needs: legal etc.)So it is perfectly possible to end up with a product that doesn't get the balance right. I'm sure you can think of many examples.

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2021, 02:35:49 pm
content: Wow... let's recap here....I don't begrudge ANYONE 'making money'... that's fine!(Although Dave posted repeatedly about Premier subscriptions etc. ). I, (the OP), only thought that things hadchanged, but stated myself that I finally realized that using my 'new' browser without 'uBlock' etc was the 'change'.I generally don't mind the 'ads', but was wondering how that differentiated from 'Music' videos, which I like todownload & listen to at times. My point being that such 'Music' videos don't seem to be affected this way??

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2021, 04:38:13 pm
content: So we entered 2021 and the amount of ads is significantly reduced.I guess some VP of marketing was going for their quota and their end of year bonus.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2021, 10:51:11 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on January 12, 2021, 04:38:13 pmMaybe they were experimenting with measuring how many ads it would take to reduce the number of viewers? There's only one way to find out....

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2021, 10:53:33 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on January 12, 2021, 04:38:13 pmDid the surge just reflect how many advert slots they can sell during the Christmas and New Year period?

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 02, 2021, 07:28:24 am
content: Ah, great. Remember search on youtube? Remember the time when searched could beordered?Well, forget it. Ordering is gone, all hail the algorithm.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 02, 2021, 09:55:39 am
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on January 12, 2021, 10:51:11 pmReminds me of that line from ready Player one where they can fill up to 80% of a users field of view before inducing seizures

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 02, 2021, 10:51:48 am
content: Youtube is now a pile of steaming horse shit... and I am full of shit too because I can't stop watching it.Odysee/LBRY Vimeo are very well done, they deserve more attention.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 02, 2021, 02:47:44 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on February 02, 2021, 07:28:24 amOrdering is alive and well. If you aren't paying, you aren't the customer. The algorithms are ordering you.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2021, 04:49:56 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on January 12, 2021, 04:38:13 pmSold out to the globalists.They don't need the ads income anymore, or, everything became an ad.

author: msuffidy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2021, 12:45:56 am
content: Since I use my $75 a month Canadian 'unlimited' cell plan for EVERYTHING, 3 weeks of the month I am stuck with 57Kb/s download speeds. For this reason I have no choice but to use youtube-dl, so I hope it continues working. I do have ad blocker anyway, but I never really 'watch' youtube. I mostly just say youtube-dl -f 22 which gives me a 720p video. This is good anyway because I like to leave a little room left at the top of the screen to see if I get new messages. Funny thing is youtube does not know I watched stuff so it continues to try to give it to me. I really should not be mentioning this, but the bottom line is the data link is active more of the time but per day I am putting through the same amount of data. What this means is I see things a bit later than I would have with good internet, it is a bit sluggish to browse, and I can't do live interaction. Also I could have just connected my phone to my computer using usb. I do have 2 computers and also another one low power one I use to download overnight sometimes. So I modded an ASUS RT-56U router to openwrt and installed the iphone usb connection stuff. In the end I decided to bridge the physical lan to the usb link instead of NAT. I did this to eliminate a NAT step. The router NAT uses the router cpu which slows things down opening new connections. This means my network is basically on the phone's personal hotspot segment. Doing this is good also because you can put your computers in standby and then later resume them without reconnecting your phone. Also being on the phone segment allows you to mount window shares and push things easy in and out of an iphone to the computers.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2021, 02:18:03 am
content: Quote from: engrguy42 on January 08, 2021, 08:15:28 pmYou are totally missing my point. Doesn't matter what other people are interested in, or what the most popular topic is for the day. It's aboutyouhaving a choice, seeking out contentyouwant, and ignoring the rest. There is a search engine which lets you do that. Educational channels are out there, you just have to find it by topic. It's not hard.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 20, 2021, 10:44:28 am
content: Quote from: Zucca on February 02, 2021, 10:51:48 amI watch Odysee every day now.

author: PKTKS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2021, 11:57:37 am
content: I just loved that cat part...Alas any youtuber just need to put a cat somewheread bingo. (pun intended)Paul

author: Daixiwen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 02:59:40 pm
content: Not surprisingly the Youtube Algorithm has become so complicated that some people find loopholes to get their content promoted. For example with the new "shorts" feature you can get a channel to a million subscribers in just a month without putting too much effort into it. This is really crazy. And all this of course pollutes search results when you are actually looking for interesting content.But that's an interesting problem. Youtube used to be good to propose new content to me that was relevant to what I liked. On Odysee I can find content from creators I know allready but the site is not very good at proposing relevant new content. It must be difficult to design an algorithm that can be both good at proposing new content at that can't be abused by people that just want quick views.

author: basinstreetdesign
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2021, 07:43:12 pm
content: I watch quite a bit of YT stuff and have never given them any money at all but lately I have seen something to raise my eyebrows.About 3 months ago YT started acting strange by refusing to accept any comment I may make on any video "error returned", etc. and when loading the list of suggestions it would not load past the first screen. I also have an account with PayPal and streaming sites Netflix and Acorn and about the same time they refused to play for me. It took a while but I eventually found that the special credit card I use for them had expired about the same time and I hadn't activated the replacement. Yet those channels continued to make charges against the card and I continued to pay them. Oh well, I made a big deal of it only to Acorn and to their credit they gave me 3 months of free service to please me.Then after 95 days of this I finally activated the new card and wouldn't you know that on the very same day all problems went awayincluding the YT-related issues!Huh? So how does YT fit into this arrangement? As far as I know I haven't given them a nickle and never will.

author: GodIsRealUnless DefinedInt
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2021, 09:39:18 pm
content: I used to use YouTube to listen to blogs and to music. I have noticed recently that when I bring up some of my past audio videos that they now have so many dots in the timeline representing forced advertisement breakaways from content that I lost count over 35. Its only forced me to download the youtube-dl program and just rip a direct copy of videos down to my hard drive and I just stream them internally in the home network now.

author: scuzzyTerminator
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2021, 01:52:50 am
content: Something I've been wondering for a long time. (I hope YT isn't looking and decides to fix this)I have never EVER seen a youtube inserted ad. I hear about them all the time but don't understand the experience. Is it just me.I will note I do not have a google account so I am never logged in (sorry dave, I can't subscribe). I do use a common firefox ad-blocker but do not think it affects videos.Anyone else have this "problem?"

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2021, 04:55:17 am
content: Quote from: scuzzyTerminator on March 18, 2021, 01:52:50 amAd blocking software will typically removed them. If I disable ad blockers, I do see ads in mid stream. I also see them on AppleTV. That being said, mid stream ads may not always show up, it all depends on YouTube's secret sauce algorithms for serving ads.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2021, 12:42:58 pm
content: For those who still want the ads to support creators, how about start the video playing on an old smartphone or tablet (without an adblocker) while you watch on another device that does block ads?