BP-Microsystems BP-1400 Device programmer, Help Help, thanks in advance. - Page 1
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author: sampler1
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2022, 03:56:48 pm
content: Hi,I purchased a legacy BP-Microsystems BP-1400 Device programmer and find myself in a bit of a spot.(also paid too much for it) Bp Microsystems does not support it anymore and I think information won't be available. I wrote them but no answer yet.On there site I see the software BPWin and it looks like it supports all versions of windows but I have no idea if it supports my BP-1400 Parallel device as it is still in the mail. My guess is I will need the Dos Version BPDos 3.84a. Also I am trying to find a device list that it can Program.ANY help at all will be greatly appreciatedRegards.

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2022, 05:42:35 pm
content: You want BPWin 4.80.0 (November 11, 2008) or BPDOS v3.94a (January 6, 2006) for a BP-1400 as the last versions of the software to support the LPT interface BP-1400.In the past the BPM Microsystems software download page had a legacy software section where the final software versions for no longer supported programmers could be downloaded. Older software versions could also be found on their FTP site. Unfortunately the older software versions do not appear to be publicly available on their sites now. Maybe if you sent them an email requesting an old version of the software they would eventually make it available to you. Fortunately there are people who have saved old versions of the software they could make available to you.I'm not aware of any way to obtain a supported device list for a particular programmer model and a particular software version other than running the software and trying to select a device of interest in the software. If a device programmer is not attached when the software is started, it will run in demo mode where you can try selecting a device of interest.Code:Version Release Date Final software version for the following programmersBPWin 5.33.0 July 16, 2013 1600, 2600, 3600, 4600, 1700, 2700, 3700, 4700, Silicon Sculptor II, HelixBPWin 4.80.0 November 11, 2008 1400, 2200BPWin 4.73.0 January 8, 2008 1148, 1200, 1600M 2000, 2100, 2500, 2510, 2600M, 3500, 3600M, 4500, 4510, 4600MBPDOS v3.94a January 6, 2006 1148, 1200, 1400, 1600, 2000, 2100, 2200, 2500, 2510, 2600, 2600MLast version of the 32-bit BPDOS software. Windows 9x/2000/XP required.BPWSoft-03 October 1, 2003 PLD-1100, PLD-1128, EP-1132, EP-1140, CP-1128 (Windows software)BPSoft-03 October 1, 2003 PLD-1100, PLD-1128, EP-1132, EP-1140, CP-1128 (DOS software)BPDOS v3.71 February, 19, 2003 1148, 1200, 1400, 1600, 2000, 2100, 2200, 2500, 2510, 2600, 2600MLast version of the 16-bit BPDOS software. Windows 9x/2000/XP not required.EP-1 July 11, 2001 EP-1

author: giovannirat
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2022, 05:51:25 pm
content: Here you can find a mirror of the SWhttp://storage.datormuseum.se/u/96935524/BP-mirror/ftp.bpmicro.com/Dnload/And here some informationhttp://www3.bpmmicro.com/web/helpandsupport.nsf/webkeys/bpm-6majec

author: rastro
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 08:30:26 pm
content: giovannirat:Thanks for posting the mirror site. I was running on some older software, now I have the latest.sampler1:There is no way, I know of, to get a printed list of supported devices other than running the application.I attached a few other documents but there's not much in them.I have both the BP-1200 and BP-1400 than I run from a Dell Latitude D610 laptop with Windoz98XP. The nice thing about this old laptop is it still has a "true" 25-pin connector Line printer port. I have had problems in the past trying to run old LPT equipment using USB comparable adapters - many do not live up to their claims.rastro

author: rastro
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 08:44:48 pm
content: sampler1:FYI ...BPWin: V.4.47.0 shows support for Cypress CY7C64013 (28 pin Dip) .

author: sampler1
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2022, 01:46:55 am
content: Well I must say, Thanks Thanks Thanks !!You guys really out did yourself. I could not ask for more and it is so so appreciated.I purchased an old Dell PC and as soon as it arrives Ill get onto this. I am anxious to see what else I can program. I have a 40 pin Rockwell chip I am anxious to see if I can read.Thanks again Everyone.Wish you all a great day.Garry

author: 54weasels
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 08, 2025, 03:36:25 pm
content: Hi folks and sorry for the blast from the past - this is the most promising thread on my problem so far.I also ended up with a BP-1200 so I can burn some PALs that don't have GAL equivalency. I'm trying to get the programmer working.I've read the software issues and about to try with a pure DOS version - all BPWIN versions (4.73, 4,4x, etc) have the same behavior - they try to connect, hang for a long time, and find nothing.The programmer boots to green light.I'm guessing it's either the parallel port cable (I think I have a straight-through cable, didn't get any with the programmer) or the FW version of the programmer being too old (mentioned on another thread).1. If you still have yours, mind checking the parallel cable? Is it 1-1?2. Anyone have the new eprom images somewhere? None of the original BP links work, and the software image does not have it.Many thanks,Dan.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2025, 03:50:02 pm
content: could even be the parallel port mode epp ecp etc ....as for firmwares : maybe, just maybe try to contact KG7AMV aka Steven Rhines, he may have some BPM fw backups ...as for bpm services, i tried to register ... no avail, they are a pain in the @#@#$ for services

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2025, 04:01:45 pm
content: The parallel cable is 1:1 with all connections done.If your programmer is very old you have to do the operation described inthisthread.I have firmware 1.24a, the latest for this programmer (BP-1200), I attach it here.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2025, 08:59:32 pm
content: i found 1.18 and yes the 1.24 for u8 u9as for dos, i have bpdos v3.71, 3.73, 3.94a

author: 54weasels
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 10, 2025, 04:33:04 pm
content: Thank you folks - I never got the one I had problems with working. I flashed new eproms and installed them, but it went backwards - would get stuck on active/fault.I ended up getting a broken one off eBay which ended up having issues with the power supply - so now I have a fully functioning one. 1-1 parallel port did work.After I get the critical stuff programmed, I'll try a few things - the one that's not recognized seems to be a very early 1992 version, maybe other things have issues (like the GALs? no idea). I'll try updating the firmware on the one that works, PCB for that is labeled 1994. So far BPDOS works really well and I'm not in a hurry to potentially break it again.

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2025, 05:25:23 pm
content: My BP-1200 mainboard is dated 1992, revision "C" but the date of some ICs is 1994.You can see the teardown of my programmer onthis siteI use it under windows XP with BPWin v4.73.0 (I have a PC with parallel port dedicated to old stuff).

author: gfernval
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2025, 07:19:39 pm
content: Hello: do you know where to download 3.73 version?

author: gfernval
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2025, 07:20:21 pm
content: I,m searching bpdos 3.73

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2025, 09:34:32 pm
content: Quote from: gfernval on May 12, 2025, 07:20:21 pmIs there some reason why you specifically need BPDOS v3.73?BPDOS v3.71 was the last version of the 16-bit BPDOS software. Windows 9x/2000/XP not required.BPDOS v3.94a was the last version of the 32-bit BPDOS software. Windows 9x/2000/XP required.Both of those versions can be found in the files section of thehttps://groups.io/g/DataioEPROMgroup. You need to create an account to be able to access the files section there.BPDOS V3.62, BPDOS V3.75A, and BPDOS V3.86 are also currently available there, but not BPDOS v3.73You need to have a logged in account to access this files section:https://groups.io/g/DataioEPROM/files/Other%20Programming%20Systems/BP%20Micro

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2025, 01:47:43 am
content: bpdos 3.73 zipped 7 days linkhttps://www.transfernow.net/dl/20250513RtrzHXQdjust registered, i may be able to push other brand software, i have some non listed thereand i was able to help Benoit Mathieu on some programmers toowith OTVDM you are in some case, able to run old 16 bits softs in a x64 system ... i was able on some HI-LO sw

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2025, 04:41:40 am
content: Atthis linkyou can find almost all versions of the software, there are also v3.71 and v3.73

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2025, 05:34:22 pm
content: Quote from: picburner on May 13, 2025, 04:41:40 amThat's a useful site for old versions of the BP Microsystems programmer software. Maybe I found that link previously and forgot about it.It has all of the final versions for various operating systems and device programmers:ep1.zipBPDOS_V371.ZIPBPSoft-03.EXEbpwsoft-03.exebpdos_v394a.exebpw_v4730.exebpw_v4800.exebpw_v5330.exeCode:Version Release Date Final software version for the following programmersBPWin 5.33.0 July 16, 2013 1600, 2600, 3600, 4600, 1700, 2700, 3700, 4700, Silicon Sculptor II, HelixBPWin 4.80.0 November 11, 2008 1400, 2200BPWin 4.73.0 January 8, 2008 1148, 1200, 1600M 2000, 2100, 2500, 2510, 2600M, 3500, 3600M, 4500, 4510, 4600MBPDOS v3.94a January 6, 2006 1148, 1200, 1400, 1600, 2000, 2100, 2200, 2500, 2510, 2600, 2600MLast version of the 32-bit BPDOS software. Windows 9x/2000/XP required.BPWSoft-03 October 1, 2003 PLD-1100, PLD-1128, EP-1132, EP-1140, CP-1128 (Windows software)BPSoft-03 October 1, 2003 PLD-1100, PLD-1128, EP-1132, EP-1140, CP-1128 (DOS software)BPDOS v3.71 February, 19, 2003 1148, 1200, 1400, 1600, 2000, 2100, 2200, 2500, 2510, 2600, 2600MLast version of the 16-bit BPDOS software. Windows 9x/2000/XP not required.EP-1 July 11, 2001 EP-1Code:What version of Windows does BPWin supportWindows Version Supported VersionsWindows 10 7.0.0Windows 8 5.46.0 and aboveWindows 7 (64 bit) 5.14.0 and aboveWindows 7 (32 bit) 5.4.0 and aboveVista (32 bit) 4.72.0 and aboveWindows XP 4.39.0 and aboveWindows 2K 4.04.4 through 5.13.0Windows 98/ME 4.00.0 through 4.65.0Windows 95/NT 4.00.0 through 4.44.1DOS Support ended with 3.94aIf you have a USB interface BP-1410, BP-1610, BP-1710 device programmer you can download the latest up to date version fromhttps://www.bpmmicro.comI just downloaded the May 2025 BPWin V8.1.14 DeviceSupportUpdate.82 today for my BP-1410 / BP-1610 device programmers.

author: gfernval
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2025, 10:55:36 pm
content: Sorry, was thinking BPDOS 3.73 would run in plain ms-dos, but is this correct?BPDOS v3.71: last version to run under plain old DOSBPDOS v3.94a: Last version of the 32-bit BPDOS software. Windows 9x/2000/XT requiredif so, instead using BPDOS 3.73 (needs Windows 9x/2000/XP) better to use BPDOS v3.94a (needs Windows 9x/2000/XP)

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 05:08:37 am
content: If you're going to run BPDOS under an old version of Windows, you might as well run the last BPDOS v3.94a version.As far as I know, the only real reason to run a version of BPDOS instead of BPWin is that the multi-site concurrent programmers such as the BP-2200 and BP-2500 can be used with BPDOS without a current support agreement in place, while the last BPWin versions to support those two models, BPWin 4.73.0 and BPWin 4.80.0, require a current support agreement to use them, and the cost of the support agreement is prohibitively expensive.I just checked my notes. I have a BP-2200/2 and a BP-2510/4 that I acquired cheap on eBay sometime around 10 years ago. I was able to use the final BPDOS v3.94a version with the BP-2200/2 and a BP-2510/4. At the time I checked with BP Micro on what it would cost to register them to use with BPWin and basically it would have cost about the same as buying a brand new fully supported single-site USB interface BP-1710. (I never use those BP-2200/2 and a BP-2510/4 now since I have BP-1410 and BP-1610 programmers).

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 04:49:01 pm
content: i almost bought for a very low price a BP-1710 (under 1k $), but since BP have a special agreement / business model, i turned awaysame for System General ones ... try to get a socket ... they want to know everything, your company what you do with it ...unless you have the 1610 and 1710, all of them are depreciated. (i think 1610 too) all bp sockets have an eeprom id on themnow many companies use the same socket "protection features"only Xeltek have been cough cough liberated with a magic ..... i have such for an 5000e (exist for 6100 .. up to 7500, dont pm me, you can find infos for it ) without it, you need to purchase very expensive sockets too

author: 54weasels
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 29, 2025, 06:32:32 am
content: BTW - if you have one of those programmers and the power supply is gone, you can replace it with off-the-shelf:https://www.ebay.com/itm/263696071222In case the link expires, this is a standard adjustable dual output power supply, configured to put out 5.1V and 35.4V. The fan is 24V and I hooked it up with a small DC-DC converter to the 35.4V power supply. All the tests pass, programs OK, etc.The original power supply is un-debuggable as far as I'm concerned.