Recommended Brands for parts (caps, resistors, etc) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / beginners

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2011, 04:59:30 am
content: Since I'm new to this I've bought an assortment of parts primarily from Fry's Electronics in the form of Velleman caps, resistors, etc. In addition I purchased parts directly from Agilent to repair a DC power supply and I've purchased some stuff from Digi-Key for a Harman/Kardon receiver I'm fixing as well as the previously mentioned power supply.Ordering the parts from Agilent for the PSU became a no-brainer. Not because I wanted to pay more, but because it resolved the issue of me having to find the recommended part.At the moment my method of finding and buying components for specific fixes is to find the component that generally is the most expensive that matches at least the minimum specs required. Case in point being a cap that was -10+100 and I picked a 5% part to replace it and instead of 105C I replaced it with a 125C part. With caps I've been trying to get low ESR parts because I have been hoping/assuming that it can't hurt the overall circuit design. There are numerous other specs that are meaningless to me. But I digress.How am I supposed to know what the good brands are and what the bad brands are? The caps I purchased for the PSU were from Panasonic. The ceramic caps I ordered today for the HK receiver are TDK. The fusible resistors are from Vishay. I have no idea whether any of them are good supplies, other than the prices were on the higher end for the parts compared to the others.Does the quality of a given component from a given vendor/supplier/source vary over time? Is there a place I can go to to see what the good vendors for a specific product are? It's not like these websites are like Amazon where people post reviews and give stars to the specific components. Besides I'd imagine it's hard to know until later when the components start failing.Is there some sort of generalized list of associates:ie company X, Y and Z are really good for ceramic capscompany A, B, and C are really good for resistorsetc ...Anyway.. Advice?

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2011, 08:15:31 pm
content: bump

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 06, 2011, 10:18:12 pm
content: why the bump. if you have no replies it is probably because no one has any information to give. the usualy course of action is to trust the supplier (not the manufacturer) on passives and decretes and to trust the manufacturers for IC's

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2011, 10:45:13 pm
content: If that is the case, then who are the trusted suppliers? I'm sure Digi-Key is one of them.. who are others? I've placed orders with Mouser and Newark, both of which I believe make that list.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 06:44:58 am
content: Well in the UK, Farnell, RS (radio spares), digi-key (if you have more money than sense), Rapid online are pretty good.

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 07:00:03 am
content: How about within the US? I have been buying from Digi-Key primarily because a very large previous company I worked ordered hundreds of millions of dollars in parts from them every year (if not billions of dollars) so it was a company I was familiar with. Their shipping is pretty fast and the rates to my inexperienced eye seem reasonable. I've done minor price comparisons between them and Mouser and Newark and they're all about the same.I know there used to be some sort of website where you could enter a part or parts and it would tell you where you could get them for the best price. Does such a site still exist and if so what is it?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 07:06:47 am
content: mouser is another reliable source, In the UK digi key is quite expensive although i gather this is not the case in the US

author: baljemmett
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 01:59:19 pm
content: Quote from: requim on November 07, 2011, 07:00:03 amThere are at least two; one is Octopart, and the other is findchips (whose sponsorship banner and search box should appear at the top of this forum -- obviously this is working well to raise awareness)

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 03:31:59 pm
content: Thanks for the tip. I tend to ignore all ads so I hadn't even noticed the ones on this site for findparts. I'll have to give them a try.

author: david77
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 03:42:08 pm
content: I'd say as long as you get your parts from a reputable source there shouldn't be too much trouble.Of course if you order your stuff off ebay or from some shady source in China you may well be unlucky enough to get crap.

author: metalphreak
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 07:24:47 pm
content: Ebay can be good for some parts (especially those used in mass volume in chinese products...). Things like LEDs are way cheaper than typical electronics retailers. But you run the risk of fake or out-of-spec parts and a lot do not specify part numbers. Good for hobbyists, not great for production products.As Dave showed in one of his videos, you can still get faulty or incorrect parts from reputable places. Mistakes do still happen. The high precision resistors he bought for uCurrent boards were well out of spec. The difference is, Digikey and others will help you out when things go wrong.

author: Flavour Flave
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 09:34:38 pm
content: I've heard that WIMA are meant to make good quality capacitors somewhere, correct me if I'm wrong.http://www.wima.de/en_index.phpI think Rubycon and Panasonic make good caps as well.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2011, 10:07:01 pm
content: Quote from: metalphreak on November 07, 2011, 07:24:47 pmAbsolutely, but 'mistakes' happen much more often with shady Ebay sellers. There's a fairly significant probability that 1% metal film resistors are repainted carbon film, for example.Quote from: Flavour Flave on November 07, 2011, 09:34:38 pmThey make good caps, but choosing a Panasonic high-ESR cap in a SMPS application with high pulse currents can make the cap die soon. Also be wary of fakes, I would be careful buying large expensive electrolytics from Ebay.

author: FenderBender
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 03:57:01 am
content: I'm a bit of a component quality freak. One of the main reasons I like making stuff myself is because I can choose excellent quality components that you do not typically find in mass produced electronics.Caps:Electrolytics are the most important to get right here. They are most likely to die. Tantalum after that. Film after that. Ceramics are very hard to kill but still get good ones.Electrolytics: Nichicon, Panasonic, United Chemi-con, Rubycon, Cornell Dubilier, Elna, Kemet, XiconTantalum: Kemet, Vishay, AVXFilm: Wima, Panasonic, Cornell Dubilier, KemetCeramic: Kemet, Vishay, AVX, TDK, MurataResistors:I don't think brand really matters nearly as much for resistors, but here are just some good names:Vishay/Dale, Xicon, KOA, Panasonic, Yageo, ArcolInductors:Also not as vital. Look at specifications and try to get the best you can. Some brands:JW Miller (Bourns), Murata, Cooper Bussman, Pulse, Panasonic, APISemiconductors:You probably know the big names by now. Just for reference.Texas Instruments, ST Microelectronics, National Semi(Now TI), ON Semi, Fairchild Semi, Freescale Semi, NXP Semi, Analog Devices, Maxim, Diodes Inc., Avago, Vishay

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 04:48:58 am
content: Quote from: FenderBender on November 08, 2011, 03:57:01 amThis is interesting, just asking, how a film type cap can be easily killed compared to ceramic ? Cause all this time I thought film is the toughest one ?

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 04:59:23 am
content: @FenderBender - Thanks. I'm going to have to bookmark/save that list. It should help me in the future. Any idea about TDK for ceramic caps? I purchased some from them for the receiver because they appeared to be the best and were a bit pricey compared to the others.

author: FenderBender
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 08:41:40 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on November 08, 2011, 04:48:58 amIf used correctly, neither should really have an issue at all. There's no liquid to dry up or anything of that matter, but certain types of film caps, notably polyester are not as tolerant of high voltages and overload conditions. They are also typically carry very high temperature ratings. Typical film caps will be between 80-125*C (plastics melt) while most ceramics and MLCCs are rated for 150*C+ in many instances. Really they are quite similar, and I guess I shouldn't have made such a distinction, but there is a slight difference.

author: FenderBender
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 08:58:59 pm
content: Quote from: requim on November 08, 2011, 04:59:23 amTDK is a reputable brand. They are good.When you are buying ceramics (MLCCs), you have to pay attention to not only capacitance and voltage rating, but also the dielectric used and the temperature coefficient.A better temp coefficient means better stability over the lifetime of the part, less losses, and less noise. The best you can get is C0G (aka NP0). (Those are classified as Class I capacitors. Pretty much mission critical stuff only). After that, you have to step down to Class II, which are still typically fine for most things. I tend to use X7R because they are not nearly as expensive as C0G but have good performance overall.This is a good reference:http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/data/capacitor/ceramic-capacitor.phpIf you look at the Class II chart, you can see that the "worst" cap would theoretically be Z2V and the best X7D. However, you actually will rarely see either of those temp coefficients. The most common ones are: Z5U, Y5V, X7R, C0GHope this helped.

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 09:05:39 pm
content: I just looked it up and it looks like the TDK caps I bought are rated C0G, so I guess I did well. With any luck they won't give me problems. That would explain the higher prices on them.

author: FenderBender
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2011, 09:23:23 pm
content: At lower capacitances the price is not that much different. But that's more for the pF range. On the nF/uF range, the prices can be A LOT higher for a C0G part.

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2011, 03:17:07 am
content: Once you know the part# either manufacturer or distributor, plug it into the findchips bar at the top of this page. you will instantly see who has it in stock and who is the cheapest. I have found Allied electronics in the US to usually be the lowest prices and they give very good service.

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2011, 03:27:48 am
content: As it turns out according to findchips digikey had the parts for the lowest price. Mouser was cheaper if I was buying in quantities of 100+, but was more expensive in quantities < 50. But that's not to say if I used a different manufacturer that my results couldn't have changed. Overall I'm not too worried. All told, excluding the extras I spent about 3.50 + tax and shipping.In the future I'll at least reference findchips or octopart. Between the two sites I prefer octopart. Their search results present the results in manner that makes analysis/selection much faster.

author: nukie
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2011, 06:44:30 am
content: I have seen film caps die and these are brand name, they are used in high temperature industrial machines. Even worst, they still hold capacity when broken so its not possible to test with a capacitance meter or ESR meter. It's rare to find broken ceramic.

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2011, 06:49:38 am
content: @nukie - this may seem a foolish question, but how do you know the cap is dead if it still holds capacity and the esr is within range?

author: nukie
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2011, 10:32:28 pm
content: you use the scope and see if its doing the filtering properly. in my case it was a MKP mains filtering film cap.

author: requim
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2011, 02:01:55 am
content: Yet another thing to learn. I hope there is a Youtube video demo'ing what you're talking about because at this moment I don't have a clue what a cap is supposed to look like under an oscilloscope nor a resistor or anything else for that matter. I know what a sine wave looks like and what digital circuits generally look like but other than that I don't have a clue. I watched the oscilloscope video that's like 2 hours long but I didn't have a working oscilloscope at that time and most of the stuff he talked about seemed a bit over my head. I had hoped he would spend time showing things under the scope but he didn't spend much time on that at all.

author: Russ314
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2017, 08:52:22 am
content: Quote from: requim on November 07, 2011, 07:00:03 amI'm really sorry to bump thisancient thread, but I've been dwelling on this post ever since I read it two months ago. I just can't stop thinking about how stupid it is. In Digikey's best year ever, they did $1.8 billion in sales. I know from working with them in the past that no single customer constitutes anywhere near 10% of their sales. In other words, it's literally impossible for any company to have spent "hundreds of millions" there, much less billions. In fact, I'm reasonably confident that no company would ever give Digikey so much as $10 million per year. Once your dollar amounts go into the tens of thousands per part, you stop using distributors like Digikey and go straight to the manufacturer.Anyway, your stupid comment aside, I feel obliged to make a contribution to this needlessly bumped thread (sorry, I have OCD). The best resistor companies are TE Conn. and Vishay. One of the most important factors in finding quality SMD resistors is the size of the contact patch with the PCB. Better resistors have wider terminations. More importantly, you should look over the datasheets and find resistors that have 3-sided, kiln-fired inner electrodes. The cheaper resistors use conductive epoxy to hold the terminations on, and the epoxy fails and delaminates if you try to hand-solder them. As a general rule, you should never hand-solder ceramic surface-mount resistors, but if you do, make sure they have real inner electrodes. If you check the datasheet, you should see mention of screen-printed electrodes made of Palladium or Silver-Palladium.For a total beginner, I'll just list some of the best companies in general when it comes to discretes:- TE Conn.- Vishay- Bourns- Diodes Inc. (Zetex)- Littelfuse- NXP (Nexperia)- ON SemiThat's about all I can say in response to such a broad inquiry. I can tell you that TE Conn. is my favorite company overall, but they're usually the most expensive too. I also use Bourns less that I used to because they have abysmal customer service.EDIT:One more thing - you should always start EVERY product search on Digikey, because it has the best search engine. Digikey's parametric search and fully populated SQL database are CRITICAL to my design process. Once you find the part you want through Digikey, you can copy the item number and paste it into Mouser if you want. Mouser usually has slightly cheaper prices, but Digikey has a $3 shipping option (1st Class Mail), so for small orders, it's usually cheapest overall. My best advice is to never try and find a part on Mouser first, because their search function is a travesty. I really don't know what I'd do without Digikey. I usually spend about 10 hours per day on Digikey when I'm designing a new product. Sometimes I'll be on Digikey 20 hours per day, for 2 weeks straight, before I finally settle on the perfect part. Their parametric search is integral to my design process because I feed the component values back into LTSPICE. I'll design a product in SPICE, then look for the required components on Digikey, then feed the Digikey values back into SPICE, then go back to Digikey, etc. etc. It's like a PID loop that eventually hones in on the perfect component. At at the end of this process, there are never any choices on Digikey; there is always only one perfect item, and nothing else will work.Btw, most SPICE software will feed your design directly into Digikey. In other words, once you finish a design, it will automatically go online to Digikey and find all the necessary parts for you. Digikey is the lifeblood of electrical engineering. If you're just starting out, I wouldn't use any other site.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 01, 2017, 09:56:50 am
content: bumping topics won't upset anyone nearly as much as being offensive, I don't care if you have OCD, offensive language to other members will get you banned! It was made fairly clear that the figures were a guess.

author: cozycactus
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 01:54:30 pm
content: do someone know what brand Y is in C0G ceramic capacitors comparison here?