Xyla Foxlin Lab Eviction - Page 1
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author: EEVblog
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timestamp: December 16, 2023, 03:51:01 am
content: She's not at Fran levels yet until they literally demolish the building around her.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2023, 04:06:51 am
content: ...we don't know the exact circumstances in this case, but given this is California we can assume this is likely the consequence of prop19. Not being able to pass on the existing property tax rate from parent to child at the time of death of the parent is forcing a lot of people to sell a family house when they previously would have continued renting it out.Note: It's interesting that the main proponent of Prop19 was.... Reators.. who profit most from this turnover.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 16, 2023, 04:14:25 am
content: Quote from: Smokey on December 16, 2023, 04:06:51 amShe said the owner died and the family is selling the house. Very common when the kids just want the money, e.g for a deposit on their own house somewhere else.Also, does Xyla (or mods) delete comments? I left two comments and they both vanished within minutes

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2023, 10:11:58 pm
content: Bottom line: don't put much effort into a place you rent unless you have a long term contract that goes on beyond the owner selling a property.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 16, 2023, 10:49:31 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 16, 2023, 10:11:58 pmIn Fran's case that long lease didn't help at all, they booted her out anyway, more than once.But yeah, don't put any effort into a place you don't own.I do wonder is she's in the same posiiton as Fran in not being able to get a loan being a Youtuber? She did mention in the video that the place was way over the estimate, so maybe she was considering buying it, but she has said she's already found another place to rent, soThis will unfortunately be FranLab all over again.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2023, 11:41:21 pm
content: Yes - that's something you can definitely expect when your landlord is old.I would expect it to be indeed more difficult to get a loan as a Youtuber, unless you've built a solid business outside of just YT and social media.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2023, 11:52:46 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 16, 2023, 10:49:31 pmIDK about lenders and sources of income nowadays, but the real problem for people who rent but would like to buy is the price. CA real estate is on fire (sometimes quite literally) and the most egregious insanity is at the lower end.Here's a small crappy house that you can buy for under $1M in where I'm guessing her neighborhood is (Inglewood, right under the approaches to LAX). For a 'standard' loan, you'll need $150K down and your payments will be probably about $5K/mo PITI (principal+interest+taxes+insurance). That's for 30 years.https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/224-W-Plymouth-St-Inglewood-CA-90302/20333731_zpid/?Now here is a similar house that you can rent in approximately the same area for $2.8k/mo.https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/947-S-Oak-St-Inglewood-CA-90301/20337776_zpid/Her home might be a bit nicer, and if it is in one of the better neighborhoods around there the price could easily be $2M. Since the person was 99 years old, their taxes would be very low and possibly the rent as well.The Prop 19 tweaks to the property tax laws maybe move the needle sometimes on rentals, but I'm not a huge fan of the property tax basis being inheritable anyway. Not taxing old folks out of their homes is one thing, having their ne'er do well offspring inheriting that privilege is another. However, when an elderly person dies and leaves their home to their adult children that may have moved away or at least have their own homes, the choice is to keep on collecting a few thousand dollars of rent and deal with all the headaches of being a landlord--or pocket a million dollars or so, tax free. Hmmm, let me think....

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 12:08:28 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 16, 2023, 10:49:31 pmIt a while since I looked at one of her videos, but she did have an engineering job.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 12:27:20 am
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on December 16, 2023, 11:52:46 pmI looked for 2000sqft places min with a garage under $500kNo shortage of them if you move out central LA.She is currently near LA airport.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 12:29:36 am
content: Quote from: coppice on December 17, 2023, 12:08:28 amI just assumed she is full time based on the projects she does, but I don't really know, don't follow her content that closely.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 12:40:27 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 12:27:20 amThat is basically moving into the desert. LA traffic sucks really bad (been there, done that) and public transport is non-existent.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 01:12:22 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 12:29:36 amI have looked out of curiosity, and her YT activity is her main job. She otherwise is head of a non-profit org, I have no clue if she gets a salary from it or not, but probably nothing much if it's the case. She doesn't have another engineering job that I could see. She sometimes gets orders for making specific equipment, such as what she did for Veritasium, but you can consider this part of her "YT" business.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 01:18:08 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 12:27:20 amAssuming you don't want or need to be anywhere near LA (or civilization in general), yes High Desert cities like Victorville are half-price. But that's a pretty large relocation, more then being out of 'central LA'. Its a 100 mile plus drive that takes 4 hours during busy times. You might as well move to Las Vegas. Or Ohio.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: December 17, 2023, 03:19:40 am
content: Previous move video is here:

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 03:28:52 am
content: Epic, $345k with 1750 sq ft daylight basementYeah, 100km out of LA, but who'd want to be in LA anyway?https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1020-Snowbird-Dr-Frazier-Park-CA-93225/18971086_zpid/No shortage of houses with a garage in San Burnadino way under $500k.

author: abeyer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 03:42:27 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 03:28:52 amI dunno, maybe someone who'd already chosen to live in LA?

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 05:03:46 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 03:28:52 amYou definitely won't be in LA often if you live there. It's a mile high up on the north side of the snowy mountains, 85 miles or 2 to three hours drive to downtown LA if the roads aren't closed. 4WD with chains is pretty standard, snow shovelling will be your hobby 4 months of the year. If you're a Youtuber that wants nice weather and abundant social connections, it's pretty much hell. I wouldn't mind it myself, though. Real estate is 1) location, 2) location, and 3)location...right?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 05:06:50 am
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on December 17, 2023, 05:03:46 amThat's the point

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: December 17, 2023, 05:09:02 am
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on December 17, 2023, 05:03:46 amDepends on your needs and lifestyle.If her lifestyle choice is based around downtown LA and LAX airport where she presumably houses the plane she owns, then she's going to be renting forever.It's like saying you want to live on the Sydney north shore near a beach. Only way you are buying there is to either inheret a place, or have bought bitcoin at $10.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 05:15:54 am
content: No, you wouldn't house a private plane at LAX. There are many smaller airports and airfields in the vicinity for general aviation though.The trouble is, that those places with cheaper housing are very isolated. If you want to drive west/south towards the coastal areas you will be spending hours sitting in traffic jams. You can only practically live there if you work from home. On the other hand, for a content creator it could work out.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 05:39:32 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 05:09:02 amHer plane is likely at somewhere like Hawthorne, flying a Cessna 140 out of LAX would be nearly unthinkable.Of course she isn't expecting to buy a house in Manhattan Beach or Bel Air, but the places you're finding would be like me (after consulting Google maps) proposing you move to Dubbo or Wagga Wagga. I've no idea how that would work for you or Mrs. EEVBlog, but I'm suspecting it's not an option.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 06:07:10 am
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on December 17, 2023, 05:39:32 amYes, of course, but she did mentioned she lived near LAX.QuoteHardly. Dubbo is 6 hours drive.Somewhere like San Bernardino I pointed out is about 80km from downtown LA.For sure you have to look at neighborhoods and a host of other factors, but her options must be very limited for some reason (maybe not by choice?) if she can't find a house to buy.I'd be stunned if she can't buy a house for $500kFran for example refuses to even consider anything outside of certain areas of downtown Philly, which makes it impossible for her to buy a place unfortunately. I do hope that's not the case for Xyla and she does consider looking for a place to buy. She did mention looking at the option to buy in the video, so I'm presuming that she can actually get a loan unlike Fran who is stuck in mortgage elegibility hell.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 06:50:02 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 06:07:10 amI think you picked out some houses in Hesperia, which is a bit further out. But in daytime hours, the drive to LA from San Bernadino or surrounding areas could easily be 3 hours if you include the local journeys to and from the freeway. All the freeways around there have traffic moving at a slow crawl or at a standstill during busy periods. The lower house prices reflect the difficulty of commuting from those communities. And the traffic reflects the fact that so many people have moved out in that direction and try to commute back.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 07:09:40 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 05:09:02 amYes, it's kinda always the same point. Same as with Fran. The location.I'm sure she can find smaller airports further away. But sure, it won't be LAX.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 09:02:32 am
content: I've known a few pilots in the area. They say Hawthorn is sort of a nightmare because of LAX's flight path.I would bet she flys out of Torrance Airport if her plane is actually in the south bay.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamperini_Field

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 09:12:04 am
content: Quote from: IanB on December 17, 2023, 06:50:02 amAnother reason to live in LA.If you lived in say San Bernadino, how often would you have to visit downtown LA if you worked from home?I live in Baulkham Hills about 50km out in the burbs, and the number of times I travel into downtown Sydney per year I could count on one hand.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 09:23:03 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 06:07:10 am80km by helicopter, sure. Otherwise it is a 2-3 hour drive. Yes you probably can find a house in a bad neighborhood in San Bernardino for $500k, but between the crime, weather and lack of nice places to go and things to do it isn't a popular spot to be in. But I do see more on the market in my area--which is about half way between LA and San Bernardino--and for $700-800k you might just find something with a decent garage. But I know people that are hard at it hunting for a house and if anything liveable and commutable came up for $500k they'd have snapped it up.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 09:42:33 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 17, 2023, 09:12:04 amThat depends a lot on what things you do, of course. Where we live, my wife's teaching job is 15 minutes away and I worked mostly from home--but if I needed to go to the Federal courthouse in LA it was an all-day trip with me leaving the house at 5 AM. When I needed to go to a hospital in LA for medical treatment, we ended up staying in a hotel the night before or after at least half the time. But sure, there are movie theaters, shopping malls, Costco and Walmart all nearby.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 10:27:25 pm
content: All that is true and we all have good reasons for willing to stay where we are. Experience does tend to show, though, that unreasonable resistance to change doesn't always end up very well. But some may prefer a bad ending having lived exactly where and how they were comfortable, and that's probably fine. I've been told life never ends well anyway.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 18, 2023, 03:03:12 am
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on December 17, 2023, 09:23:03 pmMy $500k figure is purely arbitrary, I have no idea what her borrowing capacity would be.Once she posts the address for the yard sale then you could search what the asking price is.Sounded like she could maybe afford a bit over the Zillo estimate for the current place, but declined due it being a termite infested box of trouble.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2023, 06:07:26 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 18, 2023, 03:03:12 amFor that alone it seems she is well grounded in reality and might not have a stubborn attitude w.r.t. location. Just like others, somehow I had the impression this was a side job but apparently not. Well, the lockdowns changed the job market quite severely and therefore my confusion might stem from that.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2024, 03:04:25 am
content: Near the end, you'll see that she already got the new house, seems to be a decent size although hard to tell for sure. And that she's able to make whatever extra furniture is needed. Handled it much better than Fran did.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 19, 2024, 04:09:53 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on January 19, 2024, 03:04:25 amHow so?Both stayed in the same area for convenience/desire and both are still renting, instead of doing whatever is needed to own a place.Given that Xyla mentioned she considered buying the existing place, but it was just a matter of cost. I wonder how she can get a loan to buy but Fran can't, as they are both in the same business?Maybe Xyla has a partner with a real job?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 31, 2024, 12:51:28 am
content: Her new lab:But it's really a 10 lessons learned video, but sadly didn't include "own your own lab space".

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2024, 03:20:16 pm
content: Maybe it's just me but for me "evicted" carries the connotation of "fired for cause" rather than "laid off".For me "lease not renewed" is a very different thing from "evicted". To me "evicted" carries the connotation of "by force", "against their will", for reasons like non payment of rent or illegal activities. I imagine the sheriff with a court order.To me "lease not renewed" is very different from "evicted". But maybe it's just me.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2024, 04:26:59 pm
content: It's common usage in English to say "evicted" if you are forced to leave involuntarily. Yes, it sounds a bit dramatic to say "evicted" instead of "had to move out", but being dramatic is also common in such circumstances.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2024, 10:15:58 pm
content: True, this is a bit of a dramatic phrasing, but you can't blame too much - using catchy titles is what you learn to do when you need to have an online presence.Try changing the title of this thread or a corresponding video to "Xyla Foxlin's lease not renewed" and see how many people will bother to read/watch or even get what it's all about just reading the title.Communication 101. And yes, effective online communication is often borderline with clickbaits. Deal with it, as Elon would say.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2024, 01:28:25 am
content: Quote from: IanB on February 05, 2024, 04:26:59 pmYes, just common parlance.In this case the house was sold and presumably the new owners don't want to continue to lease it.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2024, 04:33:14 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 05, 2024, 10:15:58 pmThe "clickbait" label pisses me off. I get it all the time of course. To me the "clickbait" slur means a thumbnail and/or title that is not indicitive of the content.Of course creators have to use catchy titles and thumbnails, even to appeal to their own audience. e.g. the average subscriber would be subbed to dozens or even hundreds of channels, and it's important not to waste subscribers time when they are trying to decide what content to watch in a very long list of subbed videos. So an accurate title and thumbnail is essential.In this case, it doesn't need to be 100% grammatically accurate, it just needs to be subject accurate, so "eviction" is the right word, it gets across that you are being booted out in one simple clear word.An example of annoying title would be "I can't believe this happened!"

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2024, 10:18:21 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 06, 2024, 04:33:14 amHow come? The currently-agreed upon definition (in various dictionaries) is based onmanipulation to elicit a particular response, with the "traditional" meaning being"using sensationalist headings to get users to view the content".That is, anything thattricksthe user into clicking a link or watching a video is clickbait. This comes from the manipulation part.Most common type of clickbait –– extremely prevalent in written online media, where the term originated from –– is a simple question that is left unanswered. It relies on the human curiosity to trick the person to click and read the article, no matter how banal and predictable the answer is. (The serious downside is, in my experience, that humans start to ask fewer questions, because the answers they keep reading are so underwhelming and emotionally dissatisfactory; annoying, even. So, don't think that this is harmless: it is actually changing our societies, and not for the better.)In Xyla Foxlin's case, the title was "I'm losing my dream workshop :(" with video subheading "I'm getting evicted again."As the dictionaries say that "evict" means "to expel people from their property; to force people to move out", there is no generally agreed-upon association with causation (although some local languages/dialects might assign some). Thus, I don't think that video was at all clickbaity; a bit dramatic, perhaps, but that's it.I consider thumbnails with the open-mouthed surprise face a form of clickbait, because it lies about the content; particularly the levels of surprise evoked by the things discussed. It is simply a trick, manipulating the user to get interested in the content, via the unspoken suggestion the face conveys that "this content surprised me so much you should definitely check it out". Social games and manipulation. It is no different to making the title a simple open question. To me, it is inaccurate and dishonest. But, because it is part of today's prevalent online culture, I just have to ignore or work past it. I cannot just declare it a "slur" against soyboys and get rid of it that way.Thus, calling "clickbait" a "slur" (in the "insult or slight" sense) is ridiculous, because the definition is based on the presence of a trick. It's like saying it is a slur to call a prostitute a prostitute when they're trying to sell you their services.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2024, 10:51:23 pm
content: Yes, agreed, and I wasn't meaning that too negatively either (as long as it's not abused). Which is why I clearly said I understood why people would do it, as it's a communication tool that is hard to do without if you want to be heard, especially in a world where there is just too much competition to get a small chunk of some people's attention without resorting to some tricks.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2024, 11:38:32 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 06, 2024, 10:18:21 pmThat is exactly what I said.Of course every creator is going to pick a title and thumbnail thatencouragespeople to click on the content. As I said, creators have to do this in order to even stand outto their own subscribersin a sea of content in their sub feed.As a creator and a viewer, as long as the title and thumbnail matches the content, I'm fine with it.I've had countless people throw "CLICKBAIT!" at me for just putting descriptive text in the thumbnail, and that pisses me off.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 03:01:48 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 06, 2024, 11:38:32 pmThen me fail English, which happens often. Sorry!Quote from: EEVblog on February 06, 2024, 11:38:32 pmRight; and I do agree, even though the current social media culture requires types of encouragement thatIreally don't like. (My preferences are not in alignment with the majority, that's all.)As an outsider, the line between encouraging and tricking is clear, but the closer you are, the fuzzier the line becomes,especially when you do not intend to trick anyone, but think the information conveyed is useful. I know I have often crossed that line when tutoring people face-to-face; all I can say is that my intention has always been only to help, not to gain anything myself. And never to troll; to always have a meaningful, useful-to-others point.Quote from: EEVblog on February 06, 2024, 11:38:32 pmSure; that would rile me to no end. But it is being mislabeled as someone who tricks others for their own personal gain that offends you, not the label itself, right?Many of those people are using these words only to externalize their own confused emotions instead of trying to convey information or interact with others. Some are using words they think they know the meaning of, but really, genuinely, do not. Some are trolling, trying to evoke emotions in others to soothe their own inner turmoil, and gain some small reaction from a completely indifferent world. And because all of them involve emotions instead of logical or rational thought, they often get more traction in social media than anything actually meaningful. So, being mislabeled thus is doubly annoying/hurtful.Point is, it is not the term or label itself, but its misuse; and especially against yourself and others who systematically denounce and detest the practice and such behaviour in general. Just look at all the videos you've made showing exactlywhythe various ridiculous tech claims are bullshit.It is ubiquitous in human societies, and excarberated in social media because of the lack of body language cues and evolved social limits and restraints in person-to-person interactions. It does not happen because people are evil; it happens because they react by emotion instead of think things through, or because they misunderstand, or because they're feeling bad and externalizing it on others. Having the label applied to yourself is difficult to deal with for a rational person; but understanding it as an action lets you see the various causes and effects, and thus deal with it, at least to some degree. I do believe countering it as an action (by pointing out the contradiction, for example, and leaving it at that) is also a useful technique (even if it gains no traction, other rational/logical people often see and understand the context, and why the label does not apply), but that gets into the sector of social behaviour where my own track record is pretty damn poor.In the case of this thread, note that nobody referred to a video being clickbait: SiliconWizard only said that"effective online communication is often borderline with clickbaits", referring to just that sometimes (not here) the encouragement slips into social tricks to get the clicks, even if not deliberately intended by the author, as the border is fuzzy; and that as encouragement is practically required, accidental slips will happen, so we better learn to accept and ignore any small transgressions, while still pointing out the gross deliberate attempts. All that of course referred to the correct uses of the term, with the mislabeling being a completely separate thing.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 09:23:19 am
content: Mine was just an observation on language use and not intended as criticism.I suppose my engineer mind strives for precision in the use of words but I also do understand that people want to add drama or other emotions.The problem I see is that the language loses precision and degrades (or evolves, depending on your point of view).When "literally" is used only for emphasis then it loses its meaning.When everything is "rape" or "genocide" then nothing is rape or genocide.A lady says someone "murdered her dog". No, lady, no, you cannot murder a dog no matter how hard you try.https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-dade/she-murdered-my-dog-pet-sitter-arrested-on-animal-cruelty-charges-owner-says-suspect-starved-pets/

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 12:05:47 pm
content: Quote from: soldar on February 07, 2024, 09:23:19 amIf you can't agree on a new rental rate for a new lease and you leave, that's not eviction.If the owner doesn't want you to be there any more and won't renew the lease, that's eviction.A middle ground would be when the owner will only agree to a new lease at a stupid high rate. They aren't exactly throwing you out, but they kind of are. There is a lot of brinkmanship in this area, where the owner checks how successful you look, and how committed you are to the location. They may try to hike the rent to the edge of what you can possibly pay. This is the reason a lot of restaurants close down when they seem to be highly successful. Whatever the outcome, each side will walk away with the opposite view of whether this counted as an eviction issue.Eviction an issue of compulsion, not the good or bad standing of either party.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 02:49:31 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 06, 2024, 11:38:32 pmWell, I think your videos are quite well named, the thumbnails are OK, nothing to be upset about. Better names than:"TSP #207 - Teardown, Detailed Analysis, Upgrade & Experiments of the..." (runs out of characters that Youtube shows).

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 04:27:29 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on February 07, 2024, 02:49:31 pmAnd if you check out Xyla Foxlin's videos, you'll see the same. They're a bit more dramatically labeled (many with emphasis via ALL CAPS) but not overly so, pretty similar to how I perceive her in her videos; bubbly, but intelligent and capable. Not even close to clickbait, any of the videos by either of them, in my opinion.Which is exactly why getting labeled as clickbait must be so aggravating.The entire subthread about the use of 'evict' is kinda silly, but slightly related, because it too involves emotions/subtext people associate with the word.Humans just assume too much, and rarely question their own assumptions. (I'm no different, and have to work hard at it too, and I still fail at it occasionally.)I did find it very interesting to compare how she dealt with the situation, how Fran dealt with hers, what Dave would suggest and has suggested, and how I'd deal with it myself; so this thread did/does have value to me. (It's not the choices per se, but the reasons for those choices, and what kind of effects those choices might have.)

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 06:17:39 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 07, 2024, 04:27:29 pmEviction as a foreigner, it sounds to me when they glue a note to your door that you have 1 week to leave otherwise they will forcibly remove you. And you need to be in a serious offense of the contract to come to that point. This is "they didn't extend my rental contract" but that's a lot of words.I didn't see a lot of her videos, but I liked the energy she was bringing to them.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 08:18:47 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on February 07, 2024, 06:17:39 pmThat is aneviction notice, but it depends on the contract what can lead up to it. No contractual offense or breaking of the contract is required.It is only in entertainment/drama where eviction always involves a contractial offense; either the hapless tenant has to break the rules, or the landlord is evil and wants to make money. That's where the emotive content comes from to us foreigners! In real life, eviction just means the tenant has to move and cannot stay no matter how much they'd want to.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 08:32:24 pm
content: Arealeviction has to have a sheriff with a big Texas hat, a court order in one hand and a gun in the other hand while deputies mercilessly toss furniture out to the sidewalk.A poor mother with her baby in her arms crying helplessly is not strictly necessary but is recommended for dramatic effect.That's what I've learnt from the movies.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 09:07:32 pm
content: End of a rental is Not eviction. When your car lease ends you do not consider that a carjacking, do you.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 09:37:44 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on February 07, 2024, 09:07:32 pmIf you don't give the car back in a timely manner you've committed a crime.

author: soldar
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timestamp: February 07, 2024, 09:50:31 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on February 07, 2024, 09:37:44 pmWell, no you haven't. What you've committed is anon sequitur.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 09:57:40 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on February 07, 2024, 09:07:32 pmCar is not real estate. If your landlord refuses to continue the lease when you would like them to, you are indeed being evicted.If you lived in a rented car, and the landlord refuses to continue the lease, then you indeed would be evicted.Take it up with the dictionaries if you disagree, but that's the way the word 'evicted' is understood around the world based on the dictionaries' definitions.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 07, 2024, 11:34:48 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on February 07, 2024, 02:49:31 pmYes, length matters too. Can't be too long, and I already lose "EEVblog #### - " every time. But that's why I picked form the start and that's what people expect.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 07, 2024, 11:50:40 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 07, 2024, 04:27:29 pmI don't really see any difference between how Xyla and Fran delt with it. Fran was just way more open about it all, right down to detailing all her finances. In the end both decided to stay in the same location and rent again rather than move and buy. Happy (I guess?) to continue the rental train knowing the cycle will inevitably repeat.Both of them (and me + other creators, and many on this forum) are in the industry where we need large lab/worshop spaces, and always will, so it makes renting always a really short term proposition.I've rented twice for my lab space. Once to expand with an extra office space due the shipping business and also an extra full time employee. That lasted two years and was always desinged to be a temporary measure. I even tried to buy that extra 33sqm space, but that's when prices went insane on the park and it was the first office space in the park to go for over $10k/sqm.Second time was an entire lab move into double the space while I rented out the office I own to help offset the cost. That also lasted the 2 year lease tem and I didn't renew it and decided to cut costs and go back to the lab I own.In both cases renting was always to be a short term plan and I always had the backup of the office that I own.I've done videos on detailing these kinds of choices:

author: nctnico
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timestamp: February 08, 2024, 12:25:00 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 07, 2024, 11:50:40 pmThe problem is to get enough financial means to actually buy a property. You are lucky in that respect by having the chance AND insight to buy your own space. Many people are caught up in being so poor that they are not able to spend the money to make their life cheaper. It is a vicious circle. Or better put, like running in a hamster wheel. Moving like grazy but not going anywhere.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 12:44:08 am
content: Yes. Beyond the state of mind, the hard part, if you start with limited means, is to be able to buy. That's what loans should be for, unfortunately, banks tend not to give you those if you don't have solid guarantees these days. So, it's a vicious circle here too. I don't like the abuse of credit, but leveraging credit to get out of the hamster wheel is a good thing.Having a random idea here, for people that are "content creators" and already resort to "donations" (such as patreon and the like) for part of their income, some similar services but where people would lend money to a content creator instead of simply give it away, to allow them to invest in their activity (equipment, lab space, etc.), with a chance for the contributors to get their money back at some point - either with no interest, or a very small one. Possibly many more people would be willing to contribute this way. Just an idea. I think this kind of stuff already exists, but it seems to be niche at best, maybe would be worth developing it. Crowd loans.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 12:55:30 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on February 08, 2024, 12:25:00 amSure, but in both cases here they both said they considered buying a place.For Xyla it seemed to be a matter of the existing house not being within her price range. So presumably she has the capacity to borrow at least reasonably close to the funds.So you have to assume if she just moved somewhere cheaper she could buy a suitable place.I did suggest on her video that she crowd source finding a new place to buy. Publish your requirements and let the community search for you. Most will be losers, but you might find one real gem of a suggestion.Lousi Rossmann did this, and I found a place for him which he did a video tour of it. Wasn't the right one, but he did the hard yards.For Fran's case one of the problems is not only being self employed and getting a loan, but also that the banks would not consider her Patreon as income. So according to the bank she had no income.So if that's the case for Fran, I'm not sure how Xyla is able to do it. Maybe she has a partner with income as well, and maybe the state makes a difference too. Fran is also much older and hasn't had a regular job for a very long time, so that likely factored into the equation.I'm not convinced that Fran exhausted every avenue for buying a place, but we've been through that before. And she has other reason for staying where she is.Fran is unfortunately now stuck with a barely survivable Patreon income, so is very much stuck on the hampster wheel, unless drastic changes are made.Xyla is still young, has or will have a partner, and is presumably free to move if she choses, so she's definitely not on the hampster wheel. But IMO she needs to start thinking long term.In my case, my "insight" was more basic math (but also partly philosophy and long term thinking). At the time it was either pay $195,000 to buy an office, or rent one at $15k/year. The interest rate at the time (IIRC, around 7%, which is higher than now) was still cheaper than renting, or at least on par. So it seemed a no-brainer, but I had no idea that Youtube would be continue to be successful, and that commercial property prices would explode, as there had been no previous history of that happening in Sydney. So it was a gamble, but I knew it had way more potential upside and limited financial downside.And I'm currently thinking even longer term again, and am putting things in place now for that.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 01:01:21 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 08, 2024, 12:44:08 amI think this may have been discussed before in regards to Fran. Maybe she even mentioned it at some point?Something like StartEngine that gives equity share perhaps, but that gets legally really messy real fast. You'd have to set up a corporation dedicated to it, all the legals docs behind the funding, and the convince people to be equity holders, but to also hope they don't try and control you. i.e. "I'm a shareholder, make XYZ video" etc.Not impossible, but I can imagine very messy.I'm not sure any creator has attempted that before?I've always been of the opinion that it's likley Fran has an avenue to restructure as a corporation of non-profit and then get a loan that way. But I don't know the local laws.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 01:34:59 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 08, 2024, 12:44:08 amI think being a "content creator" is to be in the entertainment business, and there is a very limited space for success in the entertainment world. Unless you happen to luck out and be an Emma Watson or a Daniel Radcliffe, then income is going to be uncertain and irregular.My experience of YouTube channels is that they don't hold my interest forever. After a few months watching one channel my interest wanes and I look for other new channels to watch. Therefore I think being a YouTube content creator is best treated as a side hustle rather than a main job.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 03:36:35 am
content: Quote from: IanB on February 08, 2024, 01:34:59 amThere is a famous theory "1000 True Fans", where the idea is that you only need 1000 "true fans" who will subscribe/consume/buy anything you produce and you can live forever on that provided you put in the work.https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/https://davekarpf.substack.com/p/the-hollow-core-of-kevin-kellys-thousand#:~:text=All%20you%20need%20to%20do,direct%20relationship%E2%80%9D%20with%20your%20fans.QuoteIt's absolutely true. Or true enough that you can pretty much bank on it.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 03:37:47 am
content: Quote from: IanB on February 08, 2024, 01:34:59 am... Sort of like when people complain they can't make a comfortable living just being a grubhub driver.... I don't think that was ever the idea...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 03:46:50 am
content: Quote from: IanB on February 08, 2024, 01:34:59 am10's of thousands (maybe 100's of thousands?) of full time Youtubers might disagree.Mr Beast just posted that Youtube paid out $80B in adsense revenue to creators in the last three years.https://twitter.com/MrBeast/status/1755059255760343191I calculated that I got 0.000199261% of that, and I'm the 78,414th ranked channel in the world in views.Views are fairly consistent to a first approximation, with people leaving being replaced by new viewers.I get your point, and I say that myself, but you can make it work. I've been a full time Youtuber for 13 years come April.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 05:02:00 am
content: Quote from: IanB on February 08, 2024, 01:34:59 amNot to mention that YouTube can demonetize a channel, or delete a channel at any time, and if it happens there is very little anyone can do about it.Quote from: EEVblog on February 08, 2024, 03:46:50 amThis is why any individual is more or less meaningless in the context of YouTube's overall business. If they happen to shut down a channel by mistake, it is no loss to them as long as they are keeping advertisers happy.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 07:05:08 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 08, 2024, 03:46:50 amIndeed. Sure it's always wise not to rely fully on a single platform and have other sources of income, but indeed thousands of people worldwide (maybe that's even millions now) are making it a full-time job.I find it odd that some would seem not to even realize that in 2024.Actually, many have found their way to entrepreneurship this way. I think this is a good thing. Like everything else, don't rest on your laurels though, because that is a sure way of eventually failing. And that's true whether you are full-time "Youtuber" or a full-time anything else.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 11:24:19 am
content: l'd venture to say that the full time youtuber making a living solely on the platform's adsense is a rarity when compared to the whole crowd. The vast majority that I see have other revenue streams such as promotion partnerships, merch, exclusive content via Patreon, promotion of products, etc.The path to success is littered with the corpses of channels that succumbed to such moving target of rules and regulations of the platform.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2024, 03:21:33 am
content: Forgot that I did a video explaining how I lost around $400k by renting instead of buying.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 29, 2024, 09:26:54 pm
content: Her new workshop looks great:Unforutnately it's just another rental.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 29, 2024, 10:17:49 pm
content: In or around Burbank based on her new PO box.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 29, 2024, 10:23:33 pm
content: Hey, but she will own nothing and be happy.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2024, 01:08:25 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 29, 2024, 10:23:33 pmI see what you did thereThe interesting thing is she said she "could live in a trailer outside her shop for all she cared". That opens up additional purchase opportunities IMO. Like a "mixed use" "live-work" industrial space something like what Fran has had in the past.Gotta be cheaper than buying a house with a garage?I don't know if that is a thing in LA though? Fran has said they are going the way of the dodo in Philly.edit: a quite search shows it's not really a thing in the greater LA area. Seems similar toSydney in that you have residential suburbs and then industrial parks. And even then you are looking at $1M+This place kicks arse, just don't ask the price:https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/284-288-N-Vinedo-Ave-Pasadena-CA/29705608/

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2024, 01:11:02 am
content: Quote from: Smokey on February 29, 2024, 10:17:49 pmBurbank seems like Sydney prices:

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2024, 03:52:33 am
content: Not cheap.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: March 01, 2024, 04:34:36 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 01, 2024, 03:52:33 amNot sure how much she was considerng buying her old place at, but it seems like anywhere in the greater LA area is expensive. It's like Fran trying to buy in the centre of Philly, not going to happen.If I was Xyla's age now I would only be able to buy in the poorest parts of Sydney.