It Hertz me so much - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 03:54:30 am
content: This is a stupid thing, but it bugs me. I don't know how many technical videos I have seen over the past years where the talking head doesn't understand the unit , and surname, HertzOne does not say one Hert. One does not 100 Hert. One must say 1 Hertz. Hertz is not the plural of Hert.How this trend started I have no idea, but it MUST STOP!NOW!

author: Vgkid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:02:59 am
content: We just need to go back to cycles per second(or cycles ) , and be done with it.

author: metrologist
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:15:15 am
content: So, what if you have more than one henry? I don't know if I agree with NIST.And don't capitalize the word in plain text unless you are discussing the person.

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:28:26 am
content: Quote from: metrologist on February 27, 2018, 04:15:15 amOh, and

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:32:35 am
content: Never seen anything like that. Any examples?

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:41:55 am
content: Quote from: helius on February 27, 2018, 04:28:26 amHere is my prayer to God. Please fucking kill him.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 05:04:34 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on February 27, 2018, 04:32:35 amThis the latest:https://youtu.be/pxV5g1xnsrE

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 07:50:01 pm
content: This guy... I don't know... He is always alternating his way of thinking - sometimes he is positive, sometimes negative... Even when there is a leveled reason (either negative or positive) he is always beating around the bush and never takes a stable stance on the matter. Who does he think he is?!?The only way to revert this trend is for this Hertz dude finally give up, be morphed and follow more leveled units:"Volt" --> "Volts""Ampère" --> "Ampères""Ohm" --> "Ohms""Henry" --> "Henries""Hertz" --> "Hertzes"

author: Doc Daneeka
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2018, 03:06:46 am
content: And yet:"This is a '12voltbattery', it supplies '12volts'"This is a '5amp' connector, it can handle '5amps'"One megaohm is one millionohms, whih is to say a onemegaohmresistor is the same as a one millionohmresistor and has a resistance of one millionohms."alsoAmperage, voltage, why not ohmage, hertzage, meterage, secondage, kilogramage?who cares really?

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2018, 05:56:19 am
content: There is no plural in "one megaohm".According to my writing handbook, you are actually always supposed to say the plural. "12 volt" and "5 amp" is actually bad grammer, despite being frequently used. Likewise, never say the plural for small (<1) decimals.I'm not sure if "amperage" is proper either as it would technically be "current". "Voltage" is probably acceptable though, given that it would otherwise be "electromotive force".

author: glarsson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2018, 07:28:21 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on February 28, 2018, 05:56:19 amOr more common - tension. Like in high tension leads.

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2018, 12:32:18 pm
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on February 28, 2018, 05:56:19 amAt my previous employer we had different conventions depending on context.Either 5 volts or 5-volt as in "the regulator supplies 5 volts." or "the regulator is a 5-volt type."Unclear was the case of "1 volt" or "1 volts", but IIRC we normally chose the plural.

author: John Heath
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2018, 01:35:30 pm
content: I am liking the sound of Hertzage. It just enough to hurt the ear but you still know the meaning. By the by what is the Hertzage of this crystal.

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 12:34:25 am
content: I think we generally use singular when the unit is an adjective, and plural if you're referring to a quantity.So a 9 pound hammer weighs 9 pounds.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 03:57:58 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on February 28, 2018, 05:56:19 amI suggest a new writing handbook then (and treble checking the spelling of grammar in any post making an assertion about grammar). No-one says "Fetch me a six feet ladder". One's ear immediately tells one that usage is ungrammatical.One goes on a "two hour drive", weighs things with a "five pound weight", the "long weight" in the stores is kept for giving new apprentices a "30 minute wait", one drives a "3 ton truck" - all take the singular. One "drives for two hours", something "weighs five pounds", one "waits 30 minutes", the "truck weighs 3 tons" - all take the plural, except in Yorkshire where inexplicably they take the singular.In my style guide "amperage" would be heavily deprecated in favour of "current rating".

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 05:16:12 am
content: This is all overthinking."Volt" is a word, so is "volts"."Amp" is a word, so is "amps"."Henry" is a word, so is "henries"."Hertz" is a word. "Hert" is not and never has been.

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 10:35:52 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on March 01, 2018, 05:16:12 amAmp/amps is an abbreviation, not a word. Ampere is a word. Reminds of the people who say "puffs" instead of picofarads.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 11:04:41 am
content: What's the line hertzage there? Fifty hertzes! In Spain we say "50 hercios" which would be "50 hertzes".

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 11:55:01 am
content: Quote from: Benta on March 01, 2018, 10:35:52 amIt may have started out as an abbreviation - but it has become a word in its own right through usage. The English language is a living thing.No such use of the word "hert" exists in the realm of electronics.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 12:18:50 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on March 01, 2018, 05:16:12 amThat doesn't mean itcan'tbe a word, starting right now. All it takes is people to start using it.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 01:11:27 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on March 01, 2018, 12:18:50 pmExcept Hertz is a surname, not a word.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 01:33:46 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on March 01, 2018, 01:11:27 pmAnything can be a word. All it takes is enough people to use it.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 02:24:16 pm
content: Cycles Per Second is the winner!

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 02:57:15 pm
content: My pet peeve is people that confuse time and conductance - and there are far too many of them on this forumExample: the turn-on time is 10nS.Hint for the clueless: time is measured in seconds (s), conductance is measured in Siemens (S).There is also the non-SI use of "S", for samples. I suspect that companies like Tektronix were forced to get a clue when they introduced DSOs. If they hadn't then everybodys' favourite Rigol might have a spec of 1Gs/S or 1Gs/s or 1GS/S

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 05:37:20 pm
content: The first ADC datasheets I saw in early 90's showed the specifications in SPS, with the subsequent multipliers kSPS or MSPSThe early HP54600 series I used at that time showed Sa/sec on their manuals, while the later models printed MSa/s on their fascia.Overall, it is quite messy.

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 05:44:20 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on March 01, 2018, 02:57:15 pmIf you're going to be a pedant (NB: I'm a pedant), then you'll have to be horrified by frequency specs which, for example, claim that an oscillator runs at 25 mHz.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 06:44:36 pm
content: Quote from: Bassman59 on March 01, 2018, 05:44:20 pmThat's a perfectly valid frequency. It might not the right frequency, but at least it is a frequency.The other people who are signalling that they should be ignored are those that confuse power and energy, e.g. specifying a battery in W rather than Wh.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 06:48:41 pm
content: Or in mAh without saying what's V.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 07:10:45 pm
content: Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on March 01, 2018, 06:48:41 pmGeorge old chap, please do another chap a favour and ditch the animated avatar, it'sreallyannoying and distracting.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 07:25:56 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on March 01, 2018, 07:10:45 pmCome on, it took me an evening to program that!http://javascriptology.com/tv.html

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 07:44:34 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on March 01, 2018, 12:18:50 pmAnd if you think the EE profession will migrate to Hert, you'll justifiably be tarred and feathered !Hertz ! Of which the official definition is: cycles per second.Yes, cps is found in many documents but now is rightly now a thing of the past in honor of Heinrich Rudolf Hertz, the first person to provide conclusive proof of the existence of electromagnetic waves.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 07:54:49 pm
content: Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on March 01, 2018, 07:25:56 pmYet another benefit of NoScript

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 08:25:05 pm
content: Quote from: Vgkid on February 27, 2018, 04:02:59 amAll we could just call it radians per second?

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 08:29:27 pm
content: 1 [radians per second] = 1/(2*pi)  ?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 08:53:05 pm
content: Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on March 01, 2018, 08:29:27 pmyes

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 09:10:59 pm
content: What's the line radianage there? 376.99 radians per second...

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 09:44:08 pm
content: This might get your OCD juices going, from about 3:05. Poor bloke gets himself in knots a bit. (The discovery he made that he’s trying to explain has substance, I’m just not totally convinced by his explanation of why it works, there’s a lot of guesswork some of which doesn’t always follow through on closer inspection).https://youtu.be/2pCgI4ht1Eo

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 10:09:36 pm
content: Quote from: John Coloccia on March 01, 2018, 12:34:25 amCorrect. In English, you don't infect adjectives. In "a 9-pound hammer", the word pound is an adjective that modifies the noun hammer.To the OP, "one Hert" bugs me, too, as do all the other common grammar errors out there. Used long enough, they may become "correct."

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 10:10:25 pm
content: QuoteHahahaha! Apart from the bloke talking complete rubbish, his calling one clock period "one Hert" is great. I'm still wiping the tears off my face... from laughing.And how he gets himself in deep water presenting his convolved, special hypothesis on frame rate vs. field rate is even better.Great find!

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2018, 11:43:40 pm
content: Quote from: bitseeker on March 01, 2018, 10:09:36 pmYes you can use singulars as adjectives, but you always hyphenate if a number modifies an adjective. Having a number over one next to a singular without a hyphen is bad grammar. Also, always use the numeral in this case.Units ending in an "s" or "z" sound are just weird. Perhaps it should become "Herti".

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 02, 2018, 12:03:34 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on March 01, 2018, 11:43:40 pmThe last time I heard a word that sounded like that was many decades ago when I had a 3 year show me his injured finger.