Keithley 148 nanovoltmeter repair - Page 1
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author: doktor pyta
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2018, 11:52:43 pm
content: I'm pulling my hair out trying to repair Keithley 148 nanovoltmeter from 1970.After all steps I made it drifts about 100nV per day- not very high but still 10 times above the specs.What has been done:1. replaced all electrolytics and tantalums. That helped, meter can be nulled on mV range.2. power supplies checked for voltages and drift. Result: correct3. Helipot checked for dirty wiper's contact: Result: correct4. all switches cleaned: no change5. The main cause of troubles at that point was located: the borrowed Keithley 1488 nanovolt short was corroded inside and has resistance changing while touching up to 50ohm. A new nanovolt short was done using the 2.4mm copper pipe. The short is covered with a shape made of plastic foam to remove air movement. Added electrostatic shield doesn't helped.6. ALL copper to copper connections were disassembled (!), gently cleaned with abrasive tool, cleaned with acetone from dust and mounted again. While doing this I found that one of leads of red 1R/1k divider slipped from the crimped lug. It obviously was crimped improperly by the factory. Fortunately it was easy to clean and fix. I checked all other crimped connections and they were fine. This helped: the drift decreased by 2...5 times.7. frequency and amplitude of the chopper's drive oscillator were adjusted to 94Hz (frequency drifted to 98Hz), then was changed to 93Hz to match the drift of components (resonant tank, phase shift network) and now oscillogram looks as shown in the manual.8. The manual says that the drift can be caused by the chopper so I disassembled the chopper. For Your info it is "Stevens Arnold DC-AC Chopper CH-1238-94". It operates quietly, waveforms are stable as shown in the manual. I managed to put tiny piece of paper soaked with acetone between chopper's contacts and the contacts were not contaminated. I assembled the chopper back and checked if it works: fortunately I didn't break it. Effects : no change.9. Degaussing coil's potentiometer was re-adjusted, : no change10. using my new nanovolt short I attached two wires to it and connected to the current calibrator. I applied +1mA and -1mA and observed tens of nanovolts of deflection. After the meter has drifted I applied same level of current and obtained same deflection. This means that the gain of the meter is stable, only the offset changes.Additional observations:-voltage on the main's rectifier and filter cap is 25V. This seems to be to high. The voltage switch is set to 230V.-the pitch of the irritating DC/DC converter changes when operated from mains. When a bench power supply is connected in place of battery the pitch is constant. This is natural feature I think as the DC/DC converter uses saturable core oscillator.Any idea what/how to check will be appreciated.I need some brilliant test which will answer the question: is the chopper faulty?P.S. 1. Data logged with input shorted with 2.4mm dia copper pipe covered from air movement by plastic foam. Range: 0.1uV full scale. Zero suppress is off.P.S. 2. Schematic of the front end for vacuum tube version that I have is below.P.S. 3.Manganinprepared nice teradown photos some time ago:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/keithley-148-nanovoltmeter-(a-brief-teardown)/

author: Kleinstein
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2018, 10:06:17 am
content: The drift could come from the chopper part or from the detector part. One could test the detector part without the chopper. So connect a short to ground instead of the chopper, but still keep the chopper running. This way one should see the noise / drift caused by the detector part only.

author: doktor pyta
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2018, 09:30:20 pm
content: Kleinstein, thank You for the suggestion.As I understand I should connect both ends of primary winding of T101 transformer to input LO terminal.I have two doubts regarding this method (correct me if I'm wrong):-by doing that, the overall fedback loop will be opened-synchronous demodulator stage will produce zero volts for all DC or low frequency or random phase signals.So I assume that the test will always show nice reading close to zero volts (with good or bad mechanical chopper).

author: Kleinstein
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2018, 10:14:02 pm
content: Opening the feedback loop is indeed a problem. So my suggested test would not work.A possible test could be using a different type chopper and this way check the rest of the circuit. With no need to have a high input impedance or low input current for a test with shorted input, this might lower the requirements compared to a real instrument. So a reasonable simple modern chopper made from 2 JFETs or maybe a good CMOS switch (like ADG633) might be good enough.

author: doktor pyta
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2018, 10:22:04 pm
content: Finally, with help from ManateeMafia I bought the electromechanical chopper.After fitting it into my unit the results are much better and now the instrument is within specs.Below the measurements taken with shorted input. My observation is that it looks slightly better on analog meter possibly due to additional RC filtering and mechanical inertia.My only concern is the rated operation time of the chopper (found some old catalogue showing value of 2000h)...My suggestion for people who operate / repair DC nanovoltmeter is to check the instrument for proper full scale sensitivity.What's the reason ?There is a lot of copper to copper crimped connections which tend to fail after many years.This failure can result in very low noise level being observed (with input shorted). This is a trap! Low noise behaviour is due to much lower gain of the amplifier.ManateeMafia, manganin, Kleinstein, thanks for help!Cheers!

author: Echo88
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2018, 01:16:48 am
content: Wow, where did you get the Electromechanical Chopper for this old beauty? Are they still made or does some really old greybeard have a few NOS on their attic? I also have a K148, thats why im interested.

author: doktor pyta
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2018, 05:08:18 am
content: I bought it from this guy:https://www.ebay.com/sch/bigdaddyyachtsman/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=However he didn't wanted to send the item to EU.

author: ManateeMafia
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timestamp: March 24, 2018, 07:56:56 pm
content: It is good to see that you got it working.

author: dietert1
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2020, 11:37:29 am
content: doktor pyta, how did you connect the DVM for logging the output of the 148? I am having difficulties to identify the type of plug i need for the 148 output.Concerning the chopper: Can anybody tell what is the expected lifetime of these chopper in this nanovolt application? Also i am wondering how much of thermal EMF the chopper contributes, even when it's fresh.PS: Our 148 received an additional switch that shorts the integrator cap C115. Without this, the demodulator output signal will always represent residual, out of phase signals. With the integrator cap shorted, you can check the AC amplifier gain and phase with the real signal. The idea is to offset the meter (e.g. to +10 nV), then short the integrator and watch the amplfier signal with the scope.

author: doktor pyta
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timestamp: February 11, 2020, 12:59:13 pm
content: Wawaweewa, that was long ago.I did not bother finding proper connector, because the voltage at this connector is approx. 1V.As far as I remember I just put two bent copper wires.

author: dietert1
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2020, 09:10:36 am
content: Yesterday i found that in our recently acquired 148 nanovoltmeter resistor R139 111 Ohms was burnt: body broken into two parts, measures 106 Ohms. When i look at the schematic it occurs to me that there is nothing as input protection. When the instrument is off, the mechanical chopper can route input voltage to the 1 ohm resistor R137A or to R139, depending on the uV/mV range selector.Lucky enough the input transformer T101 appears OK. All other resistors in the low thermal box are within tolerance.Will try to replace the bad resistor by two UPW50s (200R || 250R). Those resistors have copper wires like the original "Daven" part.Regards, Dieter

author: 1audio
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timestamp: December 06, 2021, 03:32:43 am
content: I'm going to be working with/on an Keithley 148 soon. The 147 is listed as a null meter but the 148 does not say null meter. The manual mentions max usable source impedance. Is the 148 not suitable as a null meter for checking with a KVD for example?

author: 1audio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2022, 02:59:35 am
content: I received the 148 and checked it out. The battery was original, toast and disconnected. Power cord is ratty and needs to be changed out. Otherwise not so bad. Some signs of moisture inside. The exposed copper shows a little corrosion. Why didn't they coat the bare copper with something after assembly? In any case using a short piece of solid bare #12 copper wire as a short its all working properly with only a few nanovolts of drift after warmup. Soon to build a 10 millOhm calibration setup and some test cables. It should be interesting.However as I was anchoring the replacement battery pack (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B3VYJ8P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1) pieces of plastic started falling out. It turns out the shell on one of the vintage caps self destructed. Clearly bad (see photo) BUT it measures 500 uF and 200 milliOhms ESR! I replaced it anyway. Otherwise its all OK. I need to replace the connectors on the back with something more modern and useful. The 2 pin Amphenol mate to the output connector goes for over $20 used on eBay. Really dumb for something not that useful otherwise. Its the same as the Boonton power sensors use.

author: doktor pyta
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2022, 12:14:22 am
content: Below some photos of the original chopper. Unfortunately I don't have my video microscope so the quality is poor.Note the gray soldering points probably made using cadmium solder.The interesting observation is that the chopper has both contacts normally closed.

author: 1audio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2022, 04:59:51 am
content: I believe the wires for the chopper are crimped at the other end with copper lugs. It looks like most of the internal connections are copper except gold contacts. Clearly very special construction. Are they still made for any application? The normally closed contacts confused me as well at first. I doubt any other construction (optical/transistor etc.) can get a low resistance and freedom from thermocouple effects.