hypersonic MHD? - Page 1
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author: coppercone2
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timestamp: February 06, 2023, 11:19:46 pm
content: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a42778760/china-hypersonic-generator/I thought that was interesting. The basic idea is a magnetohydrodynamic generator that is optimized for peak power production, rather then regulated and steady power production.It would seem that the MHD principle has no bottle neck for peak energy.Interestingly enough I got some flux in the air acetylene brazing torch tip last night while I was making some hardware to mount a PCB on, and it shows the effect of 'loading' plasma with ions, turning a normally blue flame into a torquise flame because of whatever salts there are in silver brazing flux.Also interesting as this type of MHD the Chinese have made can explode if the "boiler" fails.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_generatorhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1000936116300814This type of technology certainly feels like a episode of star gate. I suspect the electrodes get destroyed pretty quick, and the machine is a very long way off from being a reciprocating device like a modern engine. Slightly more tame version of the flux compression generator, and you also need some helva strong magnets.

author: f4eru
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timestamp: February 07, 2023, 02:52:32 am
content: QuoteNot really. It's simple physics. There is a good reason why there is no real use for continuous MHD in power transformation.QuoteYep, it's right there : too much loss with air, or in fact, any non-metals.MHD is in use for flow sensors, where efficiency does not matter.QuoteHilarious efficiency. Probably like 8 orders of magnitude worse than Hydrogen fuel cells with electrolyzersThat's a real feat !

author: coppercone2
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timestamp: February 07, 2023, 04:17:19 am
content: The episode with the replicators trying to ion beam atlantis, was very similar to taking energy out of a plasma beam, so that reminded me of some kind of advanced MHD generator, which took a portion of the energy from the ion beam being shot through the stargate the power the shields of the weapons satellite.Out of all the types of generators that you could put in a TV show, I think a super sonic plasma exploder is #2 behind the EFCG. Maybe #3 if you consider back to the future, because lightning is also pretty awesome.SG1 had its stargate powered by event horizons, lightning. Atlantis had been powered by solar panels by the dying star in that one episode (pretty cool), metrological life forms too. Could have been a MHD type effect from the polar vortrex formed near the event horizon of a black hole that was powering the gate, with the time dilatation episode. The whole 'parasitic effect = 10 yottawatt generator' thing was cool.

author: coppercone2
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timestamp: February 07, 2023, 10:03:57 pm
content: Does anyone think its possible to make like a butane powered spot welder using MHD technology?The requirement would be between 1-500 joules of energy. The idea being there is a combustion chamber infront of a MHD gen, that you fill with butane, propane, alcohol, gasoline, etc and ignite in order to power a spot weld maybe with atomoised ions by using a ultrasonic mister with some ionic salt solution. Like a potato gun kinda. I think the regulation requirements are alot less then the high tech applications involving radars and lasers. I wonder if its possible to do with just a switch and no super capacitors.Or a even bigger one, meant for welding rebar, or railroad tracks together. You would still need a monitor circuit to verify the weld parameters were met, if it was to be really used in industry.

author: Marco
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 06:49:25 am
content: Charging is probably the wrong word, this seems more for running pulse weapons directly. Similar to explosive EMP devices, except reusable.

author: coppercone2
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 07:21:32 am
content: well the idea of the hypersonic MHDG is... pulsed power low impedance applications! look at the paper. But its just typical MIC applications.I wonder if salt water would be enough ions, to make a hydrocarbon radiosonde/emergency beacon with no moving partsI think it could be the technology of the future. Pulsed energy systems. Kind of gets old with the MIC taking over every application doesnt it?A ideas list for 'swords to plowshare' applications of pulsed energy that run on small amounts of hydrocarbons, assuming its possible1) direct power spot welding2) flash circuits for scientific photography3) emergency beacons4) case hardening via induction5) melting metals for casting (needs a very strong crucible)From the looks of it, this kind of stuff is a long way off (need cheaper&stronger magnets and streamlined hypersonic MHD generator design). Everything a crashed space traveler needs to get his crashed ship back on the cosmos from a gallon of kerosene?Kinda wonder what the theoretical limits are for something like a 5 gallon bucket, 55 gallon drum sized 'reactors'.BTW that burner looks UGLY. Wow, that tech is never gonna take off if it looks like that lol. Keep in mind the efficiency of the standard MHD is 50-60%. So that burner could theoretically power 500kW or so.