[solved] TEX YodaII, keyboard: opinions? - Page 1
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author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 01:01:06 pm
content: does anywone use it? if so, it'd like to hear what you think, and your feedback, especially if you are a programmer and use vim or emacs on the text console.edit:solved

author: jadew
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 02:37:10 pm
content: It looks stupid.

author: LeonR
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 02:47:21 pm
content: If I was to pay US$300 for a keyboard it'd better be using telepathy to read my mind and type stuff for me.Seriously, I can't see the point on a higher investment than a good rubber dome keyboard. Mine lasts at least 10 years without a hitch (I'm using a A4Tech G600 ATM). I've tried a mechanic keyboard before and couldn't see what's all the fuss around it is about, and sold it a couple months later.If you're looking into models with macros there are options that costs a fraction of that price.

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 03:19:25 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 03, 2019, 01:01:06 pmI use a similar keyboard, the NightFox by Input Club, 65% (the difference is that includes arrows and PrintScreen, Delete, Page Up and Page Down) in terms of layout.It's exactly as a normal keyboard but without the extra line of F keys (available in the second layer, with 8 layers to program with different functions, changeable with FN and number).Compared with this one that includes the trackpoint and I suppose that the buttons under the space bar is for left, change to scroll and right click right? Also the backspace is on the number row, as a normal keyboard. In the Nightfox is like the HHKB, in the QWERTY Row, so it may need some training to get it right.I can't give feedback in terms of the use of the trackpoint and the scroll, but I love the 65% layout in terms of extra space available. My next step will be a trackball (and learn how to use one) and I can even have more space available for other stuff. Also a mechanical keyboard helps to type faster, specially if the keys are tactile, were you don't need to bottom out the key like in membrane keyboards, just press enough until you feel the tactile bump, and you can move your finger to the next key knowing it activate it.Quote from: LeonR on December 03, 2019, 02:47:21 pmOr a Topre, or as I call High Class Rubber Dome (and I open the can of worms with Topre Fans).Mate, once you use a mechanical you don't go back. Mine costs near US$200, but I saw keyboards in the order of US$500 and even more. It's a hobby as many others, with quality products and normal products. Just like Automatic watches, you have Seiko's and Citizen's and even other brands who use SII Movement (Seiko) or Miyota Movement (Citizen) in the lower end (and High End) and brands like Hublot and Patek Philippe who costs thousands.Some people are happy with the Casio F-91W, other prefer an Omega Seamaster.

author: LeonR
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 03:49:18 pm
content: Quote from: Black Phoenix on December 03, 2019, 03:19:25 pmI must be a special case then. Got a Meka G-Unit some good years ago and sold it after a couple months since all I got was more noise while typing (it used black switches).I used to buy Logitech mice (G500, G600, G700, G402, G403) as soon as they were released. Sold them all after some time and stuck with my trusty G400s. Sometimes less is more.The classic Realforces are beautiful, especially the ones with grey and white keycaps. Simple and elegant, but I'm wary to splurge the asked price on them.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 03:52:40 pm
content: A 60% keyboard is just too basic for my needs. I've tried one of those before, and it was just not usable to me. Keys (especially for arrow keys) too close to one another, important keys missing... But if you're comfortable with that, go ahead. Some people are. And yes, it's very expensive for what it seems to be, but it's your call. The pricing is understandable for a low-volume production.I personally have a 88 keys (often called "10KL") keyboard, basically an ISO keyboard with no num pad (which I find adds too much width to the keyboard, making the use of a mouse more uncomfortable). I have an additional num pad, but I rarely use it! This keyboard is the first one I actually made myself. It uses Cherry MX brown keyswitches, and custom-designed aluminum plates. Works great (and it always feels good to type on your own creation!) For the controller, I used a Teensy 3.2 and I customized the following firmware:https://github.com/kiibohd/controller

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 04:06:45 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 03, 2019, 03:52:40 pmSame as the WhiteFox/NightFox. I also used TKLs for a while, my last one was the Logitech G Pro (Yes I like the Romer-G switches that most keyboard enthusiast hate with passion) until I had the chance to get a NightFox to try, and now TKLs look too big to me. Since it's a 65% it have arrows and most used keys in the home/end cluster. Plus since I don't use the F keys most of the time, they are OK by using FN + 1 for F1, Fn + 2 for F2, etc.All aluminium build with Input Club Hako Clear (Medium weight Tactile switch with a standard 75g spring) that get very heavy after the actuation point, discouraging bottoms out.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 05:14:39 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 03, 2019, 03:52:40 pmpic?

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 05:32:34 pm
content: Quote from: Black Phoenix on December 03, 2019, 03:19:25 pm(Ametek Traxsys TrackBall 50mm, PS/2)like this one?it's a trackball found in a military installation in Greenland. It's really heavy and big. Too big, and solid like a tank. In the pic, it's compared to a pound coin.(RadioShack - A4TECH WT7, PS/2)I bought this one for my RiscPC, just because you need three buttons to operate with RiscOS. This trackball is cheap, and smaller; it's "OK", but not good as a primary pointing device.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 05:40:15 pm
content: (CHERRY G84-4400, PS/2, pic made by my friend, I have exactly the same keyboard)This is the keyboard I am currently using. It was found as second hand, very cheap, paid 50 euro for it. Keys are very good; the trackball is not so good, it's "ok", better than the RadioShack - A4TECH WT7, but it tends to be a bit "scratchy" and I am not really sure it's really 400DPI, and it has only two buttons.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 06:19:59 pm
content: So a 10 keyless Cherry MX keyboard?It doesn't seem anything special at all besides the nub.I have a 100 dollar Ducky One with Cherry MX Greens (yes greens), and I quite like it. It's solid, the right price, and feels great.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2019, 08:51:57 pm
content: I had elbow muscle pains from the repetitive typing and tried many alternative keyboards. I then got a NOS IBM model M keyboard from Unicomp and my elbow pains are fully gone.The year I did this move was 2015 and to this date the pains haven't come back. I haven't tried the cherry or other mechanical ones, though (at home I have a Microsoft 2000 rubber keyboard but I don't type there as much).

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 02:38:23 am
content: Quote from: legacy on December 03, 2019, 05:32:34 pmNo, I'm torn between this 2:Logitech MX ErgoElecom M-XT3DRBK

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 07:32:03 am
content: Cherry is a silly fad and 60% is the dumbest fad, get a Model MThey are (somewhat) ergonomically curved, they are loud, they are designed to survive liquids (within reason) and they won't drive you nuts if you ever try to use LTspice

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 10:36:31 am
content: Black PhoenixI bought a Logitech MX Ergo two months ago with great expectations.After two weeks I sold it, it did not work for me and went back to the old good mouse.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 10:38:43 am
content: Here is the relevant subreddit for people who spend more money on keyboards than regular people on computers:https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 10:41:26 am
content: Quote from: zucca on December 04, 2019, 10:36:31 amThat's what makes me thing twice, since I was always a mice guy, I can count with the fingers of my hand the times I used a trackball. To spend a lot of money on a trackball and then have to sell it on deficit it's something I'm really not interested.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 11:40:53 am
content: Quote from: Black Phoenix on December 04, 2019, 10:41:26 amI was a heavy user of Logitech's old marble trackball. I think it is much more accurate than a mouse, but it has the drawback of having to clean the ball regularly.It dropped out of favour when I started to have muscle pain in the tendon of my thumb. I got an ambidextrous mouse instead.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 01:06:29 pm
content: Quote from: magic on December 04, 2019, 07:32:03 amI bought my CHERRY G84-4400 only because found for cheap, and I needed something compact with a built-in pointing device.I don't like it as the definitive device, but it's not too bad. At least it doesn't cause me any problem with LTspice, Tina, ISE, EagleCad (trackball-events intensive), even if I do spend more time with VIM and Geany (keys pressing intensive), and as a premium, it's so small and compact that I can put it into my suitcase and bring it with me on traveling.

author: LeonR
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 01:24:31 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on December 04, 2019, 11:40:53 amGive MX 518 Legendary a try. I think it's one of the greatest shapes ever created since it just "flows" with a relaxed hand position.I also suggest using a large mousepad that you can rest you wrist and some of your arm into it. I use a qck Mass and the extra thickness absorbs most of the pressure you put into it while using it.https://i.postimg.cc/9FhbbB2g/IMG-20191204-101509.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/TYJ94WYd/IMG-20191204-101531.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/MZRt1FCj/IMG-20191204-101539.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/25tRLKPK/IMG-20191204-101806.jpg

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 01:50:50 pm
content: guys, is there any TrackPoint standalone kit?

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2019, 02:39:18 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 04, 2019, 01:50:50 pmFor what I know, no, it's only integrated in IBM/Lenovo keyboards. Although some years ago there was mice with trackpoint nibs:There was also something similar in Kickstarter some time ago:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftpoint/tracpoint

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 12:52:21 am
content: Quote from: legacy on December 03, 2019, 05:14:39 pmThere you go. It's a very "bare" design. But it just works.

author: calin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 03:38:40 am
content: Go find an IBM Model M keyboard and try it ... you will never go back after you had it

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 12:51:04 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 05, 2019, 12:52:21 amis it CNC cut? how did you desin the mechanics, and how did you cut it? is there a service?besides, what about the PCB? I am considering something similar because an homemade keyboard potentially might allow extra features, like a smartcard reader for the login.Cherry has similar keyboards (with a built-in smartcard reader), but they are big, ugly, and not comfortable at all

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 12:52:55 pm
content: Quote from: calin on December 05, 2019, 03:38:40 amis there any good review? and where do you suggest to buy one? on eBay? or ... on some forum's bazaar?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 04:09:31 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 05, 2019, 12:51:04 pmYes it's CNC cut, and I used:https://www.john-steel.com/(I'm sure there are plenty of such companies worldwide...)I designed the mechanical parts with Draftsight. I started from a DXF file with a typical ISO layout that I found online, to get the key spacing right.Quote from: legacy on December 05, 2019, 12:51:04 pmIt's a 1.6mm, 2-layer PCB. The top aluminum plate supports the keyswitches, so very little constraint is transmitted to the PCB itself. So no special measure for the PCB design.For the MX keyswitches, you can find mechanical info in this:https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Cherry%20PDFs/MX%20Series.pdfI ordered the keycaps there:https://www.wasdkeyboards.com/87-key-custom-cherry-mx-keycap-set-1.htmlYou can find cheaper keycaps from other sources, including Aliexpress.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 09:09:45 pm
content: Foundthislist. Links point to projects on github.Some are good.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 10:59:09 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 05, 2019, 12:52:55 pmLast time I cared about those things Unicomp still made them.Reviews? That should be everywhere, once you get past the mountains of g4m!ng hype, that is. Some crazies unearthing old Model Ms was what actually started that whole mechanical keyboard fad fifteen years ago; this and the Das Keyboard I think. Whose version 1, by the way, didn't even use Cherries but was a rubber dome thing with case shaped to mimic the M.And... maybe I should ask, is the Das still around or does mentioning it make me sound like a dinosaur?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 11:03:49 pm
content: Of course it is still around:https://www.daskeyboard.com/

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 11:35:31 pm
content: What a reliefThough I must say that RGB baclighting is not exactly what this keyboard originally was about

author: jadew
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 12:57:06 am
content: Quote from: legacy on December 05, 2019, 09:09:45 pmThey all look like hipster garbage.Compact keyboards are awful for any real work and it's silly to spend any money on them. There are plenty of keyboards with full functionality and high quality switches that are also priced reasonably.Regarding the M, it was a good keyboard, but you wouldn't be able to use it unless you lived alone or didn't give a damn about the people around you. That thing is LOUD. Also, it's missing the windows key which takes away a lot of functionality from a keyboard, because it can be used for lots of nice shortcuts on any OS.If you really want a compact keyboard, at least get one with F keys.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 02:33:45 am
content: Quote from: magic on December 05, 2019, 11:35:31 pmCertainly, but after the ultra-geeky crowd interested in mechanical keyboards bought their DAS, the company probably had to find ways to keep making money...

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 08:21:08 am
content: Those small keyboards are strictly a thing for coding drones who have never used any software other than a text editor and are proud of it.Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 06, 2019, 02:33:45 amDas Keyboard was always about money; real men did bolt mods on Ms picked from dumpsters or searched eBay for vintage ALPS and true hipsters bought tenkeyless Filcos.But yes, it shows how the posers have changed

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 11:55:09 am
content: Quote from: jadew on December 06, 2019, 12:57:06 am"Good" with the meaning that you find project-files.

author: chickenHeadKnob
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 12:12:35 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 03, 2019, 03:52:40 pmI am about as far away from being a keyboard weenie/aficionado as you can imagine. Actually I have a slight preference for those apple desktop flat chicklet x-switch keyboards, but I am too embarrassed to admit it.And those apple keyboards are too susceptible to contamination and fluids in my handsI am old enough to have used original IBM PC's model M. They are OK, noisy as hell with strong springs. I like the strong springs and heavy feel , but otherwise not that impressed. So I was looking at mechanical keyboards 18 months ago with a bit of "fear of missing out" psychology influencing me when I came upon these Glorious Gaming modular keyboards. They pretty much offer the same bespoke choice of key switches as silicon wizards custom job without all the extra work. And I am all about the lazy! Metal frames in three layouts full, 10 keyless (the one I chose), or compact. You then buy the switch type of your liking and plug them in. It has the gaudy gamer led backlighting, but it is simple to set that to a mono color or off.my ten keyless with a bag of Gateron greens came to about $124 us. Gateron greens are the heaviest force springs. I received a bag of 120 so that I still have a lifetime supply of spares if a few go bad.link here:https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/the-glorious-gmmk-usa-custom

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 12:22:34 pm
content: Quote from: magic on December 06, 2019, 08:21:08 ambah, I tried a Japanese HHKB keyboard. It's a 60% keyboard and it perfectly fits my fingers on VIM as well as my suitcase, and this is a premium.I have no problem with EagleCAD and LTspice. The real problem is ... it's not my property, and I need a PS/2 keyboard. HHKBs are all USB nowadays.A further problem, it doesn't have a built-in Trackpoint or a trackball, and the trackball they gave me in the military base in Greenland is three times bigger than a 60%-keyboard, and this actually looks suspiciously too hipster and it might potentially cause you some problem at the airport.I'd really like to have something with a built-in Trackpoint. And something small. 60% or 65%

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 12:54:39 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 06, 2019, 12:22:34 pmAhh now I understand, with PS2 and smaller:Here some old versions with PS2 Mouse and Keyboard connectors:https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-7316-TF2-Rack-Mount-Server-1U-Drawer-Flat-Panel-Console-Keyboard-Only-PARTS/133173575573?hash=item1f01c37f95:g:TPcAAOSwyX9df9Mqhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-NetBAY-2U-Flat-Panel-Monitor-Console-Kit-w-Keyboard-PS2-Cables-32P1702/184070094200?epid=1600259885&hash=item2adb6ebd78:g:VS0AAOSwl9xd6DVhhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-SK-8840-Rackmount-Monitor-Keyboard-Console/254194564388?epid=1501591987&hash=item3b2f2d3d24:g:pEsAAOSw0w1crNd9You can remove the keyboard from the metal rack and use it standalone.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 01:19:27 pm
content: Quote from: Black Phoenix on December 06, 2019, 12:54:39 pmYup. The Cherry in the pic is decent, but not so good. Especially the trackball. And you can for sure get something smaller.I was thinking about reflashing the TEX YodaII to make it PS/2. Technically it's possible.And practically it's a bit heavy (due to the aluminum body), but it's small enough.I also like the mechanical aspect of the thing, just it's damn too expensive for me.Quote from: Black Phoenix on December 06, 2019, 12:54:39 pmWOW! Great idea!!! This looks like a brilliant solution! Thank you

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 01:31:28 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 06, 2019, 01:19:27 pmAs soon you explained the circumstances of your work and your needs I remembered the ones who normally are on IBM racks, with a LCD and Keyboard with the Trackpoint. Since you started with the Tex Yodall Keyboard, I was thinking that you wanted a system based in custom keyboard, with USB. As soon you talked about PS2 and the needs to take in your carry on I remembered this.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 03:53:05 pm
content: Just for curiosity, have you already seenthis?(ultimatehackingkeyboard)(it's very expensive, don't look at the price list, especially with accessories)

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 04:02:58 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 06, 2019, 12:22:34 pmAll this is obviously down to each individual's needs and preferences. No need to argue. (I was in turn just saying what works for me.) I can't stand trackpoints either, but this is all again preferences. (I've always used mice - and touchpads on laptops, but of course a lot less - and I'm still the most comfortable with them. Had the chance of never having any syndrome due to using them. Selecting the mice that work best for your hand is a must, and using a small keyboard, such as a TKL, definitely helps. A mouse too far away from the keyboard will induce a lot more tension.)As you probably already figured, online searches for what you're after mainly point to the Yoda II keyboard...Probably not what you'd like to use, but you can find Lenovo USB keyboards with trackpoint for about 60 euros... (but those look very much like laptop keyboards, they are just stand-alone.)https://www.lenovo.com/ie/en/accessories-and-monitors/keyboards-and-mice/keyboards/KEYBOARD-UK-English/p/0B47221(Just saw that Black Phoenix posted a pic of that now... but anyway, you can have a brand new one for relatively "cheap".)Another approach, faster than going fully custom, would be to buy a decent 60% keyboard, and modify it to accomodate a trackpoint device that you would scavenge from old laptop keyboards or something... (you would have to modify central keycaps and it could still be a bit tough to fit...)

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2019, 05:03:06 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 06, 2019, 04:02:58 pmI have just followed his advice and bought a rack-keyboardQuote from: SiliconWizard on December 06, 2019, 04:02:58 pmThis has a lot of problems, because when I opened the HHKB keyboard of my friend, I found there is no space for anything inside the keyboard, hence if you want to add a Trackpoint, you need to add it outside, and this also opens the simple problem: where do you put the left and right buttons?Anyway, for the moment I am ok this way, and the above solution just works perfectly. I will put it into my suitcase and enjoy my travels.In the future, maybe I will design my own keyboard, but it will be dedicated to the Sonoko project.

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2019, 12:27:53 am
content: Quote from: legacy on December 06, 2019, 03:53:05 pmSplit is good for learning how to correctly type with all your fingers from a hand and it is also ergonomically good, specially if you can angle both half's outside. Regarding the price, is the type of novelty. Just look at the KeyCult prices for their limited less than 50 boards:Always above US$500 and it's missing the Switches, Stabilizers and Keys (you have to provide your own) who adds to more than US$700 finished plus labour. And because they are so limited, the prices of second hand sky-rocket to more than US$1000.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2019, 12:07:10 pm
content: Talking about me, I don't know why there must be something wrong with the fingers(1) of my left hand, but I do find the CAPslock key so freaky terrible in a keyboard because I too often accidentally press it rather than pressing the tab key! So I seriously appreciated the HHKB of my friend for not having the CAPslock key at all.Some keyboards do not have gaps between keys, and it's harder to hit the right key by touch. This is not the case, however I do press the tab key something like 10 times in a minute, and you can calculate the probability of collision with the CAPslock key.I am surprised the key is present in the Ultimate Hacking Keyboard. It shouldn't be there, because "hacking" should means the keyboard is designed for text editors rather than wordprocessors.The terrible big CAPSlock key is also present in my Cherry keyboard, just in the place where it can collide with the pressure of the tab key. And how did I fix it? With a silicone drop under the key so it cannot be accidentally pressed as it usually happens when I typeedit:(1) I do press the tab key with the ring finger, the finger next to the little finger.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2019, 04:06:08 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 07, 2019, 12:07:10 pmYeah, I think I never use CAPSLOCK whatsoever. Pretty useless IMO.As to key spacing, this is very much down to each individual's preferences and habits. I usually find the very small keyboards (like 60%) have too narrow key spacing for my taste, but that's mainly a matter of habit.A real problem IMO is when you have to use different keyboards with significantly different sizes/layouts. It always feels clunky for a while. That's mainly why I always stuck to the traditional ISO layout, even though I had thought of trying something completely different. At some point, I was curious about the TypeMatrix for instance:http://typematrix.com/, but problem is, if I had switched to this, going back to a regular keyboard would probably be pretty hard.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2019, 07:47:44 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 07, 2019, 12:07:10 pmIt's the Compose key, or perhaps Ctrl on some keyboards, and you just broke itWhat even is that CapsLock thing you guys are talking about?

author: westfw
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2019, 04:44:19 am
content: QuoteBring back the Stanford/MIT/Symbolics Space Cadet keyboards - control-meta-top-cokebottle for the win!My favorite keyboard for a long time has been the Macintosh full-sized "chicklet" keyboard. I expected to hate it, but the feel is good, the spacing is "right", and the one I have has lasted close to 10 years now (except for the worn-away tops of a couple keys...)

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2019, 01:27:38 pm
content: I had a skype call with my brother yesterday, and he told me he absolutely needs the Numpad because it's where he maps extra symbols for the CAD program he uses.Oh, so he needs a *big* keyboard

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2019, 01:58:25 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 10, 2019, 01:27:38 pmThen your brother would go crazy if he got one of these:Keep us updated when you received the "rack" keyboard, I wanna see in what kind of environment you use it.