AI will turn companies into psychopaths - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2025, 02:25:20 pm
content: I have more and more evidence that companies will very quickly turn into psychopaths with the help of AI.Just a few example that I've found in the past 1 year:- One client runs every email they receive though a fact checking algorithm.- My boss was having a phone call with me, and he was typing half that stuff into chatGPT tying to "brainstorm" stuff.- People leave their phones on tables, recording meetings and turning it into meeting notes.- Every online call seems to have an AI note taker in it, or it's even built into the platform. Meeting notes gets distributed. Consent is never asked.- My boss appears with ridiculous ideas, that's clearly not his. It's when you scroll down on an AI answer and the first two is seemingly good, and the tent one is just to make an essay for a 1000 words. It's clear bullshit. When you call it impossible, you are not a team player, and not thinking with us. So AI has higher trustworthiness than your employees.If you make a mistake, they will go through your emails, and recordings to find that mistake. We'll boil the earth with the emissions in the meantime, but who cares, we have these extra robots working for us for 19.99 a month.This is quickly going to devolve into a dystopic hellhole, where I will give all this up and become a fisherman or something.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2025, 06:05:08 pm
content: I agree. This is not just another new technology.It is already causing harm and a hell of a lot of confusion and consternation.

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2025, 07:17:05 pm
content: Everything you think say or do with any company who incorporates AI, you will need to be cleared through your own AI to verify you do not anger the higher AI into lowering your own status.This is the run-about way AI will win without the need of it actually becoming sentient at all, it will be our own undoing through stupidity handing over the keys to control our own decisions.Those that succeed will either be blessed with luck, or, know how to position and word themselves to manipulate the AI that drives their bosses / companies decisions.

author: hfleming
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2025, 07:37:23 pm
content: The AI says “No”…. To everything you inquire about… no further explanations…. Forget why you didn’t get your package, or try tracking a missing package/payment, etc… Who dares to query the Great, Infallible AI?

author: exe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 01, 2025, 08:01:13 pm
content: Sounds like my previous company...I also agree on meeting notes. However) In my opinion, people are very inefficient at discussing stuff. I'd gladly skip most of meetings. I'm fine with meeting notes. So, yeah, I don't like people over-relying on that, but it also makes sense to me.I think AI is an "answer" to information overload. Unfortunately, it doesn't help reducing the mess, or create less garbage information, but it helps individuals to navigate in it. What price we will pay for this I don't know.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2025, 08:08:25 pm
content: Let's just hope that the AI startups run out of money before they figure out how to actually run it. The free service OpenAI provides costs them something like $30/m per user. They are burning through investor cash like mad.

author: jonovid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2025, 09:51:15 pm
content: whatever happened to the hype about Non-Fungible Tokens & blockchains? now its AI hype.refuse to accept bad behaviour or poor customer service. the customer is always rightjust do Not do business with them.

author: djacobow
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 12:14:16 am
content: Companies have always been "psychopaths."Here's the def from wikipedia:QuoteWhat on earth do you think a corporation is, if not an entity created for the explicit purpose of pursuing benefits for investors without regard for anything else? Indeed, legally, at least in the USA for a public corporation, that's not just an option, it's a requirement.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 12:38:45 am
content: its kind of like having extremely shady advisors. I think it might be like that in the military (or politics) already with how much privilege and assistance rank gets you.But usually ego wins out anyway (look at people that have 'cabinets' of advisors) and all advice gets ignored

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 01:07:31 am
content: Who will know now what anyone really writes or thinks? This is only the very beginning of this. Any email or report could be AI written and you will never know the real person anymore - what they feel, know, or believe. Not unless you lock them in a room with no phone and talk to them face to face.

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 01:16:50 am
content: Quote from: xrunner on August 02, 2025, 01:07:31 amFor now, you have the '—'. What the hell is this character '—'? Which key on your keyboard do you press to get that '—'?And the pathetic single space after a period, exclamation mark, or question mark. I dont give a F, if you write to me without 2 spaces after a period, you are an AI and I will ignore you. I don't care that some only use a single space, too bad. You need to place 2 spaces after a period at the end of a sentence unless it is an abbreviation or the end of a paragraph.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 01:32:54 am
content: Quote from: BrianHG on August 02, 2025, 01:16:50 amWTF???That's a totally antiquated, outmoded convention, and one that was never fully embraced by the reading and writing public--only those who slavishly followed Strunk & White, maybe because their PhD advisor required it.I never use that convention, and if you look around here, very few others do either.I'm reading Dickens now, his short stories (how much more literary can you get?), and the typeset text has single spaces betwixt period and start of next sentence. So much for "always 2 spaces".

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 01:34:15 am
content: See HAL-9000 in Arthur C Clarke/Stanley Kubrick's 1968 classic film 2001: A Space Odyssey"Also Ava in Ex Machinahttps://www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmAtmopQxu0ohttps://youtu.be/LxXrccK4S3IEnjoy!Jon

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 01:59:36 am
content: Quote from: BrianHG on August 02, 2025, 01:16:50 amWell then, you may as well get the planet stopped so you can get off. Nobody cares you want two spaces.

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 03:00:15 am
content: You guys have missed the point hidden inside the point.It is the 2 spaces which will be the proof you received some text written by an actual human, not an AI.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 03:16:08 am
content: Quote from: BrianHG on August 02, 2025, 03:00:15 amAnd I'm not bothering to do that. If people were to adopt such a simplistic tactic, 'AI' will simply be adjusted to mimic.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 03:58:24 am
content: Well before "AI" in the present meaning existed, IT systems were making really silly decisions which impacted the way real people carry out their lives & businesses.In my last job before retirement, we had our own server on site--- a modest device which handled our in house emails, etc & our access to the internet.We also had a contract "IT guy", who would visit, do any updates on individual PCs as well as the server, itself.Following one such visit, I set out to e-mail a supplier of ours, heading it up with his business name, & "Australian Business number"("ABN" followed by a string of numbers).On hitting "send" I was confronted with a notice that the message was rejected "due to racial vilification"!It just so happened, if you scrunched up your eyes and looked from the correct angle, the bloke's name (also his business name) combined with the "ABN", could be construed as a nasty slur on Indigenous Australians!I sent the Boss an e-mail saying " this bloody thing has rejected my e-mail!"That, too, was rejected due to "profanity".I dragged my aged carcase downstairs to the office & there was the Boss, flames coming out of her mouth as she blasted the IT bloke over the phone, so it seemed I wasn't the only one to be affected by the extreme "censorship" of setting security to maximum---a setting more suited to a nunnery!

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 08:08:25 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on August 02, 2025, 03:16:08 amAI will target the largest pool. So, yes, I bet that funny fat hyphen will vanish. However, based on the comments here alone, it will never introduce double spacing after the period.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 08:59:18 am
content: You can just as easily ask ChatGPT to write in a different style. AI-generated text is virtually indistinguishable from something written by a person. This poses a real challenge for schools and universities, since students can use AI to produce essays in less technical subjects and still earn high marks. In fact, I wrote this post with ChatGPT to illustrate the issue.https://chatgpt.com/share/688dd38d-33dc-800a-a7a4-27052dea2fd5

author: kite31
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 09:46:43 am
content: Given I was taught to use a single space there is no chance I will use a double. It looks ugly to me. My recollection was that double-space was introduced to help to distinguish sentences when computer fonts were still monospaced. Em dashes are standard in typesetting. I can produce one simply by typing double dash in a word processor or many text editors.I think it more to the point that text produced by AI is either regurgitation of what is known or wrong. I test that the same way I would anyone else's claims.

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 09:58:08 am
content: Quote from: BrianHG on August 02, 2025, 08:08:25 amWhat I want to know is what will happen when human generated training data becomes swamped by the mass (morass?) of AI generated data that future AI will inevitably be forced to digest? M-bars and other forms of spacing will just become the new normal. It all seems to foreshadow a sort of incestuous inbreeding will develop, and then what happens.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 10:29:28 am
content: Quote from: kite31 on August 02, 2025, 09:46:43 amNot computers. Typewriters.Quote from: kite31 on August 02, 2025, 09:46:43 amThere are the following: the hyphen, the en dash, and the em dash. Each has a specific role in typeset text. Oh, and don't forget the minus symbol, so that's four. And I've just learned today (thank you, ChatGPT) that there is a fifth: the figure dash, used only in strings of digits.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 11:24:17 am
content: It's hard to talk about "rules" when it comes to typewriter-written text, word processed text, and typeset text. Perhaps "conventions" is a better term. But the convention of putting a double space after sentences is not part of normal typography. It arose when typewriters were widely used, the vast majority (all?) of which produced monospaced text.It happened primarily because the readibility of monospaced text is poorer than proportional text (and the double space improved legibility), but also because historically some typeset text had a larger gap between sentences than between words. Depending on the typesetter this could vary from imperceptible to obvious. However, larger sentence spacing - if used - doesnotrequire the source text to have a double space character after each sentence. The typesetting machine (or person) has various rules around character, word, sentence and paragraph spacing, and these rules are applied at the typesetting stage, not the authoring stage.It is important to point out that modern typeset text (at least in British English) uses the same spacing between sentences as between words.LaTeX differs in having slightly larger spacing between sentences by default. MS Word defaults to single spacing between sentences, but it can be altered. I should also mention that there are around half a dozen space characters, including the en space and em space (see above).Now that we have word processors, with their own built-in typesetting algorithms, we can safely ignore the old habit of double spaces after sentences. In fact, if you send out your text for publication you are expected to stick to the single-space rule. Having said that, I would expect publishers to run the text through a "cleaner" of some sort to pick up on things like this.So, if you want it to be a rule, the rule is: single spaces between sentences.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 12:52:18 pm
content: Quote from: xrunner on August 02, 2025, 01:07:31 amIt's funny that you bring this up just now. Last week I was talking to two friends of mine, one a petroleum engineer and the other is a professional engineer, and both were complaining very loudly about the software that they having to use to write a couple of white papers. It's seems that the editors that they use are on-line based and driven by AI and it won't allow them to write what they want. The AI keeps rewording things and changing the order of statements until the meaning of the paragraphs is completely lost.What kind of moron hires people with 50 years of experience to write white papers but then requires them to use an editor that completely alters what they wrote?I wish that I could get my buddy Bill to write a book about his experiences. He built petroleum distribution systems including pipelines and tank farms all over the world for the US Army and then went to work for NASA in it's infancy and built fuel and oxidizer systems to fuel and un-fuel many of the early manned flight systems including Gemini, Saturn IB and Saturn V.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 01:09:27 pm
content: Quote from: BrianHG on August 02, 2025, 01:16:50 amNot according to the OS in an iPhone. If you type a sentence and then press space twice, it will replace that with a period and one space.I never learned that you're supposed to put two spaces after a sentence, only that when writing you had to put in a space. But of course letter width and space width do vary when hand writing so who can say if you used one space or two. But I talked to my wife who is a great word smith and a hell of the typist and she said that when typing, the style manuals do call for you to put in two spaces at the end of a sentence. But that very few people actually do.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 01:27:05 pm
content: Quote from: djacobow on August 02, 2025, 12:14:16 amTrue, corporations already had the tendency to become one.This accelerates it even more.But I've seen it different. I know looking at the American Corpocracy it's hard to imagine, but Europe if full of family run businesses. They make less money, but they are more successful long term.But going back to AI, this is getting out of hand. There are now company policies that make this toxic behavior normal. Human interactions are not designed to be recorded and replayed, analyzed and brought up a year from now.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 02:27:58 pm
content: Quote from: BrianHG on August 02, 2025, 01:16:50 amFinnish layout uses AltGr+Shift+M for '—', and AltGr+- for '–'. I also use AltGr+X for '×', AltGr+Shift+X for '·', AltGr+Shift+0 for '°', AltGr+M for 'µ', AltGr+Dead '~' followed by '=' for '≃', and so on.I have modified AltGr+Space to output normal space instead of non-breaking space, though, because characters like '{' and '}' use AltGr+7 and AltGr+0, which in C must be followed by normal space and not a non-breaking space, and my right thumb sometimes lingers too long on the AltGr key, so that one in fifty spaces would otherwise turn out as a non-breaking space instead.Because I'm lazy, I created a (CC0-1.0/Public Domain)Glyphstool page, that lets me copy some of the other glyphs to clipboard for pasting to other programs. These are all standard Unicode code points that should be supported by all modern fonts. You don't need to use the 'Copy' button at top, the glyphs in the top left text box are auto-copied to clipboard whenever you click on any of the glyphs to add to the text box. The page source code is in UTF-8 character encoding, and trivial to edit, if you want to make your own.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2025, 02:56:26 pm
content: https://youtu.be/oRva7UxGQDw?t=142

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2025, 12:55:07 am
content: QuoteGot a note from the hair-spliitting department...a π before ρ would make it more complete and correct and yes it's another letter appearing twice so it will make μ feel less singled out

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2025, 10:15:20 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on August 03, 2025, 12:55:07 amYou guys have hair splitting department?I think we have corner cutting department.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2025, 09:53:28 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on August 03, 2025, 10:15:20 amYou realize corner cutting departments eventually run out of work?

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2025, 10:43:51 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on August 03, 2025, 10:15:20 amYes, I believe it's a subsidiary of the Department of Redundancy Department.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2025, 11:49:19 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on August 02, 2025, 01:27:05 pmIt's not a tendency. Companies have no "soul" or conscience. They can't be psychopathic. They are organizations. Yes, they are made to optimize specific goals, and those goals usually do not include making humans happy or at least respected.But for sure "AI" will turn many *people* into psychopaths, if for just one reason: people will delegate not just *work* to AI, but also their responsabilities.If you give people power without responsability, they will almost mechanically turn into psychopaths.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2025, 08:39:03 pm
content: Quote from: BrianHG on August 02, 2025, 01:16:50 amThat is AI generated text, chat-gpt likes to insert these symbols

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2025, 09:26:19 pm
content: Two spaces: That was the standard for typewriting, especially with normal mechanical typewriters with only a single value for spacing, when I took typing class in 1962 because of my horrible handwriting. I find it makes my word-processed text more readable, so I still use it. Times may change, but I don't have to.Modern typesetting, with variable-width characters (n vs. m) normally does not increase the spacing after a period, unless done for justification (text spread from left margin too right margin, normal in books).In an old edition of theChicago Manual of Style, I found the recommendation to double-space after the period in a typewritten manuscript, to signal the typesetter according to the previous sentence, but they no longer recommend that.Of course, one must then consider full and semi-colons.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2025, 10:50:10 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener on August 04, 2025, 08:39:03 pmI believe those are em dashes, which are a little longer than the "regular" dash which is an en dash (the width of a letter "n" rather than "m").And in my book there should be no space on either side of the dash. Just like we don't put spaces around en dashes:"radioactive fall - out" just looks stupid.Like some people who have a "typing tic" that makes them insert a space before some end punctuation:"'What time is it ?' he asked. 'Four o-clock !'"Also looks stupid.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2025, 11:05:08 pm
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on August 04, 2025, 10:50:10 pmEm-dashes are useful punctuation in sentences, indicating a pause, and do not have spaces around them. My word processor generates one automatically if I type two hyphens from the normal keyboard.The separator in "ill-advised objection" is a hyphen, which is shorter than an en-dash.En-dashes seem to be a sophisticated taste: I don't remember using one on purpose.Careful typesetting uses all three dashy objects.The correct spelling is "four o'clock", where "o'clock" is a contraction for "of the clock" or "of clock", which no one says anymore.