The Art of Electronics 3rd edition finished writing and copy-editing - Page 1
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author: solarmist
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2013, 10:59:10 pm
content: Hello all,I just emailed Winfield Hill about the status of the third edition of Art of Electronics and they've finished writing it. They now in typesetting and it should be published by late spring/early summer next year (May 2014).And it sounds like there will be a second volume to contain all the new material that wouldn't fit in the main work at a future date.Quote

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 04, 2013, 11:19:42 pm
content: Sounds promising, but I'm not holding my breath. The third edition has been just around the corner since forever. Will see when they are actually shipping books. The x-chapter book sounds interesting, though.

author: solarmist
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2013, 11:38:58 pm
content: True, but the uncertain part has always been the writing and that is now complete (for the main book), so the schedule could still slip by months, but it's no longer an issue of slipping by years any longer.

author: johnboxall
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 05, 2013, 04:29:26 am
content: Great news. Typesetting and proof-reading that thing will still take a while.

author: aargee
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2013, 05:59:14 am
content: Typesetting? Typesetting? They still do that in book publishing?I would have assumed that part of the printing process is fairly quick and automated now.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2013, 06:11:39 am
content: Mucking about with your latex to get it juuuust right can take some time every now and then.

author: johnboxall
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 05, 2013, 06:11:59 am
content: Ha, I meant laying out the pages. Starting to show my age. Every little change that affects page length can have a flow-on effect which can be quite exponential.

author: JoeO
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2013, 10:01:26 am
content: Quote from: tronixstuff on September 05, 2013, 06:11:59 amAre you saying that by adding a picture to the text, the reassignment of page numbers, references etc. takes more than 10 seconds on a computer?

author: johnboxall
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 05, 2013, 10:06:55 am
content: Quote from: JoeO on September 05, 2013, 10:01:26 amNo, but sometimes the physical number of pages is decided upon before final proofing which can cause problems.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 05, 2013, 10:46:03 am
content: Quote from: JoeO on September 05, 2013, 10:01:26 amAs a graphic designer - the answer is yes, it does take more than 10 secs ;-)

author: solarmist
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2013, 12:10:40 am
content: Quote from: JoeO on September 05, 2013, 10:01:26 amYes, deciding on size, layout and exact position takes time for each graphic, that doesn't include creating the graphic itself, which is often just a placeholder while writing. It could take hours for a single graph in the worst case.

author: woodchips
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 10:27:38 am
content: My wife edits etc books, had a bit of a chuckle when I said that the text just flows automatically.The problem is that people use Word. For a few dozen pages it works, you get 800 pages of text, pictures and maths then it screws up big time on a regular basis, every few hours. And recovering is not an easy or quick job. Seems Word also doesn't understand multiple files per book, it all has to be in one huge, 50MB, file. Crap. Why not use another wordprocessor? Well, ask the author, you get what you are given and Word unfortunately is it.Then you get authors who lay an equation out using spaces and underscores and smaller font sizes for powers.Doesn't seem to have progressed beyond what Ventura managed a couple of decades ago.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 08:27:19 pm
content: Quite a few books have been hammered out by lone authors in a relatively short amount of time with DocBook ... I have a few books done that way, perfectly functional ... but not pretty

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 09:11:19 pm
content: Do publishers really use Word for layout? Back when I was doing that stuff I would take the Word file, strip out all the formatting, import the text in DTP software, add formatting and place images. And yes, that would take more than 10 seconds.

author: JackOfVA
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2013, 12:53:04 am
content: I wrote an 800 page book on embedded system programming about 6 years ago and did it all in Word. The publisher took the Word files and put them into Adobe InDesign for printing. (In fact, the InDesign layout and editing was sub-contracted to a one person shop and it took her about a month to do the layout and produce a PDF proof and then incorporate my edits.) The book had at least 200 drawings and photos, probably closer to 400, plus program snippets in different font and layout, etc.

author: casinada
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2013, 09:17:14 pm
content: All that assuming that the person is very familiar with the tool.Most word users know about 2% of what the program can do and that is enough. The same goes for all the other programs. If the user masters the software things can be accomplished rather quickly and yet putting together a manual or a book or even a flyer can be a tedious task where content is no problem but the cosmetics take most of the time.

author: edavid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2013, 10:10:56 pm
content: Quote from: alm on September 11, 2013, 09:11:19 pmNo, of course not. Read the post again, he was saying that authors submit manuscripts in Word. The big problem with that is how to handle authors' revisions... usually it's easiest to have them mark up paper proofs.There's also a rule of publishing that states that the more work the author does to submit a production ready manuscript, the more likely it is that the publisher will decide to rekey it.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2013, 10:17:59 pm
content: Manuscripts should not contain in line equations, images, etc. These will have to be handled separately by the layout person anyhow, and using Word as a plain text editor with bold/italic hugely reduces its ability to mess things up.For revisions PDF is a decent tool in my opinion.

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2014, 11:41:59 am
content: Quote from: solarmist on September 04, 2013, 10:59:10 pmWonder if this still holds true?

author: wfunction
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 09, 2014, 09:41:37 am
content: Quote from: solarmist on September 04, 2013, 10:59:10 pmI was just wondering if there are any updates.

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2014, 11:55:20 am
content: I think i found some info saying that the older book still would be good since some of the material are replaced, so in meantime I bought the 2nd edition.. it was huge..

author: solarmist
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2014, 08:53:12 pm
content: I've emailed Winfield again and will update the forum when I hear back.

author: solarmist
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2014, 05:43:57 pm
content: I got a response from Winfield today.QuoteLooking on wikipedia Galley Proofs are limited runs used for proof reading and sometimes advance copies, so that should be the final step before mass publication.That said it sounds like there's a minimum of months of work remaining, but it does sound like less than six months of work to my, untrained, ears, so I'd expect to hear a real release date in about five or six months or shortly after (since people are horrible at estimates and always underestimate everything).I'd give a couple more months for reviewing the remaining figures, a few weeks for a last editing pass, and couple of months for the index, then a few weeks, maybe a month or two for proofreading. Then production would start and that would take a minimum of a few weeks to a couple months to build stock.One article I found on Chronicle of Higher Education described hand building his index (completely after the fact) in a month. I'd expect some of this work to be done already and this to be a much large work, I'd expect two months there.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2014, 11:16:44 pm
content: I've done indices before, albeit on much smaller documents. Definitely the kind of thing that you should be thinking about as you're writing, rewriting and checking your paragraphs. And that's in a medium which supports references and hyperlinking (LaTeX).Tim

author: lpc32
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 02:01:02 am
content: Thanks for checking.

author: solarmist
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 02:02:52 am
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on July 11, 2014, 11:16:44 pmYup, that's exactly what I meant by expect some of it to be done already, honestly I'd expect most with just some expansion for alternative phrasings of things.Quote from: lpc32 on July 13, 2014, 02:01:02 amNP. I figure he'd rather hear rarely from a single person rather than often from many people.

author: nowlan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 02:34:30 am
content: Too bad he hasn't heard of safari rough cuts. Can publish finished chapters, get feedback before final press.

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 07:28:33 am
content: Quote from: nowlan on July 14, 2014, 02:34:30 amMaybe it's lot of work?But an ebook version would be nice, 2nd ed is nothing you drag around with you..

author: iz4afl
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 11, 2014, 01:01:09 pm
content: Good news: Amazon.ca is now accepting pre-orders for the 3rd edition.Bad news: it seems it is going to be published in one year: 30.October 2015!check here:http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0521809266/ref=pe_11530_125040350_emwa_email_title_1

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2014, 01:15:32 pm
content: Quote from: iz4afl on October 11, 2014, 01:01:09 pmDarn. I've been looking forward to this edition. I guess I can wait a year.

author: solarmist
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2014, 07:24:31 pm
content: Quote from: iz4afl on October 11, 2014, 01:01:09 pmHa! Amazon keeps doing that and dropping it. If the authors don't have a publish date Amazon's not gonna have a clue.That said I've been touching base with Winfield every six months to a year.QuoteThis is the first time he's mentioned an actual publish date coming back from the publishers, so that's good news, but he's been very optimistic every time I've talked to him, so I'd expect closer to summer or maybe even the fall date Amazon guessed at, but we're down to only three items left on the check list: Indexing, Layout and Proofing. So I do think next fall is likely an upper limit on the work left.That said the last six months have been spent almost exclusively on fixing errors, so I certainly can't be confident in any predictions.Indexing is a large difficult project, but probably not the size of editing and fixing error in the entire volume, so my guess is probably around 3 months or so.Layout isn't huge deal normally, but this is a huge project so I'd expect it to take as long as indexing. If the authors aren't doing this themselves then it can be done concurrently with indexing. This article says it takes about a month to layout a normal book.http://www.stevenpressfield.com/2012/10/why-it-takes-so-long-to-publish-a-book/. So maybe another three months for this tome.Galley Proofs are the final approval of pages and last minute typo catches, so I'd expect another month or so.Finally they have to do the actual print run and plan a release. I really hope they just push this through and do it in like a month to get it out.That puts it at around 5-9 months of additional work left.

author: iz4afl
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 07, 2015, 04:41:35 pm
content: Finally some hint from the publisher:http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition

author: lapm
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2015, 05:16:45 pm
content: Quote from: iz4afl on January 07, 2015, 04:41:35 pmNow thats a good news... Its fast turning from unobtainium to something real... I do hope they will publish ebook version also.. If they do i will probably buy both, electronic and paper...

author: lpc32
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2015, 06:40:13 pm
content: "Planned for August 2015".

author: DarkLight
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 20, 2015, 08:10:46 pm
content: "Jun 30 2015"!!!

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2015, 02:21:56 pm
content: Oddly, it's availableApril 30th on amazon.com, and two months later,June 29th on amazon.co.uk. Considering it's published by Cambridge University Press I would have thought the UK would be the first market.At least it's available for £46.13 in the UK vs $108.00 in the USA, which is also a strange turn of events. Publishers usually have a rip off exchange rate of $1 = £1 in my experience.I think I'll get my UK pre-order in before amazon change their mind!

author: ElektroQuark
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 23, 2015, 02:30:40 pm
content: I have just preordered mine.Amazon.es doesn't list it.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2015, 05:07:09 pm
content: According to the publishers (CUP), the hardback will be £60 and it is not available until June. The hardback 2nd edition is £80http://www.cambridge.org/gb/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 23, 2015, 05:17:23 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on January 23, 2015, 05:07:09 pmGood to see UK price confirmation from the publisher. It's a bit higher than the pre-order price on amazon.co.uk(which makes it look like mispricing), but even without amazon.co.uk's discount it is still a pretty penny cheaper than the price asked in other countries...

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2015, 09:21:44 pm
content: Does anyone have any idea if there will be a big difference in the 3rd edition compared to the 2nd edition? For example, will it be easier to understand for a beginner? I'm just starting on the 2nd edition which is quite old (1989?) but I'm sure very useful. However, I am wondering if I should wait to get the 3rd if it will make the concepts easier to understand or if the 2nd edition is sufficient.Any thoughts? I am not keen on waiting so I think I will read the 2nd edition anyways, unless I know the 3rd is around the corner which is hard to predict. I see it listed here but not yet available:http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/product-description/0521809266/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2015, 09:23:41 pm
content: Quote from: edy on January 24, 2015, 09:21:44 pmThe 2nd will have stuff the 3rd won't, so you'll still need it as a resource.As for how much easier, I think it will be pretty much the same, just covering newer and more stuff.

author: Tandy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2015, 09:24:29 pm
content: I wouldn't class it as a beginners title, while it is not that maths heavy it does take a certain amount of existing understanding of the subject to follow it.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2015, 09:34:25 pm
content: Thanks for the quick reply. I will start then on the 2nd edition and brush up on the topics as I encounter each one by one. I see it is quite widely available and relatively inexpensive for such a large volume. Provided the 3rd won't really be any easier to understand, there will be no advantage to waiting.I've also recently subscribed to Colin Mitchell's Talking Electronics site (thanks to Dave for reviewing it in a recent Mailbag) so I am running through his material and waiting for the kit to arrive from Australia (not Austria!). Can't wait to see what I get and build something!

author: Tandy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2015, 09:39:33 pm
content: Personally I think Colin Mitchell's Talking Electronics approach is much better for beginners. It just seems to be easier for most people to learn by building simple example circuits and figuring out how and why they work. Then later delve deeper into the theory behind them. Learning electronics starting with the theory first I think is a lot harder.the one exception is learning ohms law is something worth doing from the outset.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2015, 11:35:16 pm
content: Quote from: Tandy on January 24, 2015, 09:39:33 pmIf you only aspire to be a tinkerer, and there's nothing wrong with that, then I think your approach isn't wrong. But if you aspire to being an innovative engineer that can make circuits "right first time", then it is highly beneficial to iterate between theory and practice from day one.Concentrating solely on the practical without understanding the theory (including the theory of messy practical components) leads to frustration and random tinkering in the vain hope of improving a circuit. That's fine if you want to demonstrate darwinian evolution, but not if you have limited time and patience!

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2015, 07:05:43 pm
content: I'm just getting through the first chapter and trying to intuitively understand differentiators and integrators. Thevevin equivalent circuits I take at face value having not done the math yet. But using RC circuits and flipping the position of the R and C and why it behaves the way it does I am still working to grasp. I am thinking when C is connected to ground, it essentially allows the one side of the cap to charge which keeps building up or integrating the source. When the C is flipped with the R (which is now downstream of the cap and draining it to ground) the C acts like a filter allowing high frequency edges like in a square wave to make it through while low ones don't. So the faster the rate of change on the signal the more voltage the signal gets. I hope I am understanding this correctly. You are right, it is a great book and very dense with fundamentals which I need to know in addition to tinkering.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2015, 07:52:05 pm
content: Quote from: edy on January 25, 2015, 07:05:43 pmLook at the maths, then all will become clear. That's the real advantage of "theory" - it enables you to visualise new and different possibilites.

author: solarmist
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 08:01:20 am
content: Quote from: edy on January 24, 2015, 09:21:44 pmI've talked to the author a few times and although this is a new edition it seems like it's almost volume 2 rather than 3rd edition. I.e. there's going to be a significant amount of material that's covered in 2nd and not in 3rd and visa-versa. He's specifically mentioned that you're going to want to have a copy of 2 ed. along with 3 ed.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 08:14:45 am
content: Quote from: Macbeth on January 23, 2015, 02:21:56 pmIf they are producing a proper UK version it will require translation from US English. Maybe that's where the delay comes from.

author: Coliban
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2015, 12:14:34 pm
content: I just pre-ordered the AOE, 3rd edition on amazon.de.Although i have already many books about electronics fundamentals, i think, it would do no harm, if i get an aggregation on electronics and practices and a good reference, and, besides of that, i love encyclopedic-like publications, where i can imagine to have a concise book, which covers broad fundamentals. (It´s the same with "The art of programming", although i´ve never worked a lot with this edition (or the "Brockhaus" in 23 volumes)). I know, that i have to get rid of "outdated" books to release space in the shelf.Thank you solarmist for the correspondence with the author and the information.regards

author: dadler
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 30, 2015, 06:10:14 am
content: https://blog.adafruit.com/2015/01/29/breaking-news-the-art-of-electronics-3rd-edition-by-horowitz-hill-hardcover-third-edition/]Picture is fake but, I am sure the real hardcover will be just as heavy.I'll wait for the Kindle version

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2015, 12:33:59 pm
content: Just noticedfrom Daves amazon.com linkthat the US price has dropped from $108 to just $79All existing pre-orders should be price guaranteed.The UK price is still only £46 but we do not pay VAT on books in the UK.I hope the EUR price also drops for all our European friends too, though I believe the rest of the EU has to pay VAT at 20-25% on books which seems a bit Dr. Evil to me.

author: nowlan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2015, 12:56:03 pm
content: For my Austalian friends. Price drop hasnt updated. See if things improve towards release.https://booko.com.au/9780521809269/The-Art-of-Electronics

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 31, 2015, 10:33:08 am
content: I'm guessing pre-order demand had been good, so they're able to do a bigger print run to bring the price down.Glad that Amazon has the pre-order price guarantee.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 31, 2015, 12:31:23 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on January 30, 2015, 12:33:59 pmAmazon.de price has already corrected their pre-order price to 80,88 Euro, making almost as cheap as the amazon.co.uk offer (£54.45 for delivery to Germany).Amazon France does not (yet?) have adjusted their pre-order price, which currently still is 112 EUR. But i guess that they too will adjust their price soon.

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 31, 2015, 05:58:29 pm
content: I'm hoping a pdf will come out, eventually. or some e-book.on the amazon link, there is a clickable link to tell the publisher you want to see a kindle version. please consider clicking that so that we get more votes to have an electronic copy (which will be searchable!). kindle files can be ported to non-kindles, too, of course.I can't remember the last time I bought a paper edition book. 10 or 20 or even more years ago! collecting deadtree editions is just a non-starter for me. I have enough clutter at home alreadyand as for workbench use, I often print pages that I might need on my laser printer and bring them to my bench. less bulk on the bench and I can write on the pages if need be. so, books don't really do much for me, in physical form.maybe if enough people tell amazon they want an ebook version, we'll have that extra choice.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 31, 2015, 07:02:10 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on January 25, 2015, 07:52:05 pmMaths alone doesn't always help. There were plenty of people at college who were better at maths than me but didn't seem to understand the basic principles so well.If you know about potential difference and really understand Ohm's law, RC circuits aren't that difficult to understand, even if your grasp of calculus is poor.If doesn't matter which way round the capacitor and resistor are connected. When the power is initially applied, the capacitor initially behaves like a piece of wire, so the full supply voltage will appear across the resistor. Then as the capacitor charges, it develops a potential difference across it which counteracts the supply voltage, causing the current to fall towards zero. The current though the resistor falls exponentially because the more the capacitor charges, the slower it charges because the voltage developed across it opposes the supply voltage.If you don't understand that, the hydraulic analogy explains this. Firstly think of a tank filled water with a hole in the bottom, plugged with a bung. When the bung is first removed, the water will flow very quickly but as the water pressure falls, the flow rate will slow down. If you plot a graph of the height of the water level, you'll find it decays exponentially.This will work in reverse if you pump the water back into the tank through the same hole, using a pump which only generates enough pressure to fill the tank but not overfill it: the flow rate will reduce exponentially until the back pressure by the water in the tank equals the pressure generated by the pump.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 31, 2015, 07:29:38 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on January 31, 2015, 07:02:10 pmNever claimed it would.In the context of this conversation, as quoted above, my statement remains valid.

author: jancumps
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 31, 2015, 09:03:02 pm
content: Quote from: elgonzo on January 31, 2015, 12:31:23 pmAt the moment the US price + shipping is still cheaper than buying on an Europe Amazon with free shipping (3 euro cheaper than what amazon.de asks after their price drop).

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 01, 2015, 01:40:12 am
content: Quote from: jancumps on January 31, 2015, 09:03:02 pmNo, not at all.Ordering the book at Amazon.com with a delivery address in Europe costs about USD 87.USD 87 = EUR 77.USD 87 = GBP 58. Compare this with the amazon.co.uk price of GBP 46.20 (Brits have 0% VAT on books). Erm...Ordering the book from amazon.co.uk to German delivery address costs £54.45. This includes 7% VAT. Adjustment to Belgian 6% VAT makes £53.95 (i assume shipping costs will remain the same). This is aboutEUR 72.If you pay with credit card you might need to add a fee because of payment in GBP (depending on the terms of your CC institute). Assuming this fee being 2% you will end up with a price ofEUR 73.44that is being deducted from your CC account.So, as a European do you really want to order from amazon.com?Even in the possible best case scenario (i.e., your customs office not collecting VAT) Amazon.com is still more expensive than amazon.co.uk.Note that the calculated amazon.co.uk prices i wrote in red already include shipping costs and VAT(!).The meager saving of 3 Euro you mentioned compared to amazon.de you only get if you have a lazy customs office which does not collect VAT, and if there are no additional credit card fees involved. If your customs office is not totally incompetent, it will charge you with the VAT, lifting the amazon.com purchase cost above the amazon.de price.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 02, 2015, 06:33:06 am
content: So Cambridge Press are going to send me a review copy inMay, because, well, I'm Australian, and it's not released in Australia until JuneIt seems they don't quite understand the global market and what reach a youtube channel has..

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 02, 2015, 07:11:24 am
content: Can you buy it? Or they won't ship to Australia?Alexander.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 02, 2015, 07:24:19 am
content: Dave doesn't need to buy it - he gets "everything" for freeFor the rest of us in Australia, we can just order it from amazon.com and get it in May also (and probably cheaper than locally, even with the crap AUD exchange rate).

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 02, 2015, 09:52:56 am
content: Quote from: Macbeth on January 30, 2015, 12:33:59 pmInteresting... it seems to have gone back up to $108

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 02, 2015, 09:58:26 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 02, 2015, 06:33:06 amYou have an excellent means of educating them at your disposal

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 02, 2015, 11:22:14 am
content: Quote from: firewalker on February 02, 2015, 07:11:24 amI already have a pre-order on Amazon. Just trying to get one pre-release.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 02, 2015, 12:21:57 pm
content: Does it help to remind them your key demographic is U.S.? ...And Germany?Tim

author: Kohanbash
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 03, 2015, 12:41:27 am
content: Quote from: Kean on February 02, 2015, 09:52:56 amThe US site is also charging that $108 now.Amazons pricing algorithm probably saw all these orders and realized it can charge more.Thankfully I locked one in at the lower price

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 03, 2015, 01:11:21 am
content: I think the cutoff for insta-buy was under $150USD for me. That's what I expected it to come out at anyway.

author: ElektroQuark
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 03, 2015, 03:13:27 pm
content: Just received an update from Amazon.uk:Estimated arrival date changed from July 10 to May 7.

author: nfmax
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 03, 2015, 03:18:16 pm
content: Quote from: EdoNork on February 03, 2015, 03:13:27 pmSame here - was July7th/9th, is now May 8th/11thExciting!

author: iz4afl
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: February 03, 2015, 03:22:06 pm
content: First reviews are available now:http://www.cambridge.org/at/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB

author: nfmax
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 03, 2015, 03:38:33 pm
content: Quote from: iz4afl on February 03, 2015, 03:22:06 pmSeeing as one of the 'advance' reviewers quoted is the late Jim Williams, that must have been reviewedwellin advance! I presume that chapter 5 was the first written sample chapter for the publisher.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 03, 2015, 04:09:27 pm
content: Just been notified by Amazon that the Dispatch date has been brought forward from July 6th to May 7th.

author: SteveyG
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 06, 2015, 02:33:28 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on February 03, 2015, 04:09:27 pmNow due to arrive on my doorstep in April

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2015, 03:14:20 pm
content: amazon.co.uk no longer offering discount now. It's back up to £60. Release date 30th April.

author: DIPLover
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2015, 06:10:35 pm
content: I suggest US guys place preorders on the amazon.ca store if they can.Amazon.com currently lists the book at USD 114 while Amazon.ca has it for $105.80, in CURRENTLY CRAPPY CANADIAN DOLLARS which should cost you about 75-80c each...

author: Sinusoidal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 01:43:04 pm
content: Book depository is currently the cheapest for AUS customers, and possibly everywhere else. Currently at AUD $105.34, USD $81.82 and £53.69 including worldwide shipping. Works out to about the same as Amazon.com price with shipping back when it was USD ~$77. Sorry Dave I will try to order through your link if the Amazon price drops again otherwise I will stick with book depository:http://www.bookdepository.com/Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/9780521809269

author: Coliban
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2015, 09:45:54 pm
content: I´ve just got an information from amazon, they told me, that the book will be delivered to me in germany at 5th of May. (I pay 66€ (about 74 USD) )

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 02, 2015, 10:55:42 am
content: I've seen a chapter from the AoE 3rd Edition (all 100 pages of it), and can confirm the holy books awesomeness!

author: electronic_eel
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2015, 12:59:57 pm
content: It seems they'll gonna publish it only as physical book and not as ebook.Does anybody know why?I'd love to have full text search, the ability to access it from anywhere without carrying it around, and not have it wasting space on my shelves.

author: Dr. Frank
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2015, 01:52:50 pm
content: I also sneaked into the sample chapter.. very nice... (ordered already, w/o seeing that before!)We also have something similar in Germany, the electronics bible "Halbleiter-Schaltungstechnik" (semiconductor circuits techniques) from Tietze - Schenk, 14th edition, quite academic style, and also heavy (> 1800 pages).The AoE is much more light-footed, and provides much more applied electronics.Can't expect to receive my exemplar in May!Frank

author: edavid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2015, 04:31:27 pm
content: For those in the US, here's a book search engine link (shows the lowest price available):http://www.addall.com/New/submitNew.cgi?query=9780521809269&type=ISBN&location=10000&state=MT&dispCurr=USD

author: iRad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2015, 04:41:07 pm
content: Thanks! Very useful link.

author: ElektroQuark
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 25, 2015, 03:13:06 pm
content: New arrival date from Amazon: april 15.

author: jancumps
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 25, 2015, 03:20:29 pm
content: For me: Est. May 26-Jun 15

author: nfmax
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2015, 04:02:18 pm
content: For me: just updated to April 16th - 18th

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2015, 04:11:28 pm
content: I have just been informed that the release date is April 15th, it begins to look like a Dutch auction on the release date.

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2015, 04:59:13 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on March 25, 2015, 04:11:28 pmAmazonis saying 31 March! As in next week!

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2015, 06:47:08 pm
content: Quote from: Bassman59 on March 25, 2015, 04:59:13 pmGreat!, In an Norwegian online bookstore the book was already orderable, so I ordered it now..

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 26, 2015, 06:03:50 am
content: We're not worthy, we're not worthy, we're not worthy...

author: aargee
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2015, 06:21:57 am
content: I wish we could find someone to review the book. Anyone of note getting an advanced copy?

author: Mr.B
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 26, 2015, 06:33:29 am
content: Quote from: aargee on March 26, 2015, 06:21:57 amDo you really need a review with Dave's endorsement picture above?

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2015, 06:52:40 am
content: Can a worshipper be an unbiased reviewer?

author: Towger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2015, 08:00:42 am
content: Quote from: mtdoc on March 26, 2015, 06:52:40 amNo. Next video will be how to build a a shrine for the book, out of old crap from the dumpster room and plywood from bunnings.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2015, 08:46:50 am
content: The original AoE is one of the few electronics books (in addition to Diefenderfer) that sits on my bookshelf collecting dust. Does the third edition really live up to the hype?

author: lpc32
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2015, 02:45:30 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 26, 2015, 06:03:50 am"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them..."

author: ablacon64
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2015, 07:35:09 pm
content: Will it have an ebook version? Being in Brazil it will be very hard (and very pricey) to get a hard printed copy.

author: sean0118
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2015, 11:43:57 am
content: Quote from: Sinusoidal on February 10, 2015, 01:43:04 pmBookdepository has now gone up to $131.57, but fishpond is still at $104.http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Art-of-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz-Winfield-Hill/9780521809269

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2015, 01:19:24 pm
content: pre ordered it from amazon.de for €76.-

author: Dr. Frank
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2015, 04:23:13 pm
content: Amazon changed date to 15th of April.Price is still 66.95€Preordered in JanuaryFrank

author: SteveyG
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 10:04:50 am
content: Mine arrived on Saturday!

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 07:45:59 am
content: I have just been notified by Amazon that mine has been dispatched

author: Neganur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 12:08:41 pm
content: I sure hope there's just a little little bit of padding material in the parcel. I think it's the one thing that really pisses me off with Amazon.

author: Tallie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 04:01:04 pm
content: Why is it so much cheaper in Europe? 66 euros? 76 euros? That's roughly 30 dollars cheaper than Amazon.com is listing it for.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 04:08:01 pm
content: Finally something that is cheaper here than in the US most stuff esp. Home electronics is much cheaper in the US

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 04:14:45 pm
content: Quote from: Tallie on April 01, 2015, 04:01:04 pmWell, the publisher is British.The Book Depository (based in the UK but now owned by Amazon) iscurrentlyselling it for $89 with free worldwide delivery.

author: Tallie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 04:33:55 pm
content: Quote from: rolycat on April 01, 2015, 04:14:45 pmThanks!

author: andersm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 05:15:11 pm
content: Quote from: rolycat on April 01, 2015, 04:14:45 pmWait, what? I did not know that. Yet their prices are consistently cheaper than buying from Amazon. I feel like I've been Marketed to.

author: sean0118
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 11:55:44 pm
content: Gee the price of this book changes by the hour, investors will start speculating soon.I got a copy for $104AU from Fishpond, it then went down to about $100AU, now it's at $126AU!!! So now Book Depository is cheaper again at $120AU

author: sean0118
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 05:03:05 am
content: Just a question, from looking at the table of contents there is a section on switching power supplies. Did the 2nd edition have this as well?3rd Ed. Table of Contents:http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdf

author: LabSpokane
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 05:47:58 am
content: Quote from: sean0118 on April 02, 2015, 05:03:05 amVery briefly. Basic operation is explained, but there isn't enough detail on how to actually design one.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 09:26:41 am
content: Is the bold part still true?Are there plans for translations to other languages such as Spanish?Quote from: solarmist on September 04, 2013, 10:59:10 pm

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 10:54:48 am
content: Quote from: LabSpokane on April 02, 2015, 05:47:58 amTo me that's not a problem. The virtue of TAoE is that it gives you enough information that you can understand a very wide range of topics in sufficient detail thatyou know whether you can ignore the topic, or need to understand it (see comment below)you can understand where the dragons liewhen you are "surprised", you have a starting point for figuring out how to remove the surprisemost importantly, you know the questions you need to ask and answer when you delve into the topicThere's no way any one book could teach you the depth of all the topics, and there's no need for that anyway! There are many many detailed topics very readily available on the web.Nowadays the key learning skill is being albe to quickly decide which information you can safelyignore. Before the web the key skill was in being able to glean the maximum from whatever information you could locate.

author: Blofeld
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 11:33:15 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on April 02, 2015, 09:26:41 amKind of true. I don't have the book yet, but in the freely available chapter 9 there are a few references like "We explore this important topic further in §9x.4".So I guess the structure of this X-File book is already fixed. However, in the post where Hill released chapter 9, the planned date "about a year" has changed to "in a few years".

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 12:25:29 pm
content: Quote from: Blofeld on April 02, 2015, 11:33:15 amIt's a shame it took so many years to finish and they do this. They wmshould have divided the book in two or more volumes and merge the student manual with it.

author: sean0118
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 01:01:16 pm
content: Quote from: LabSpokane on April 02, 2015, 05:47:58 amOk thanks, I guess there is no rush for me to get the 2nd edition then.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 03:17:46 pm
content: It arrived today, so I will be a bit distracted for the rest of Easter.

author: LabSpokane
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 04:33:01 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on April 02, 2015, 10:54:48 amIt wasn't a criticism. I was merely answering the question.

author: Tallie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 09:29:21 pm
content: What is going on with this book... just shot up from $88 to $110 on bookdepository... shouldn't have waited, I guess.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 09:33:18 pm
content: Quote from: Tallie on April 02, 2015, 09:29:21 pmStrange, for me it still shows USD$82.16, which includes a 7% discount... (I have not created an account there.)

author: Tallie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 09:35:44 pm
content: Quote from: elgonzo on April 02, 2015, 09:33:18 pmVery strange indeed. Still showing $110 for me. I think we should start speculating... as someone else suggested.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 09:39:26 pm
content: Quote from: Tallie on April 02, 2015, 09:35:44 pmWell, if i switch to Australian Dollar, then it will show $108

author: isomorph
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 08, 2015, 10:53:05 pm
content: Hi all, this was the thread I was following in anticipation for the book release, admittedly only a reader and not a member of the forums here. Just wanted to say thanks to all those that shared updates and other information. I per-ordered my book back in November 2014 from Amazon.ca, and it arrive yesterday, April 7, 2015. I did an unboxing and quick flip through of the 3rd edition, which you can check out here:I'm still a student. I don't have Dave's finesse or electrical background but tried to comment as a noob anyway.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2015, 05:36:18 pm
content: Just ordered AoE 2 (£19 used hardcover) and AoE 3 (£53 from Amazon).Looking forward to delving inside these much respected booksAurora

author: Rory
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2015, 10:38:36 pm
content: $79.17 from SuperBookDeals via Amazon.com

author: Tallie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2015, 06:23:53 pm
content: Quote from: Rory on April 09, 2015, 10:38:36 pmDO NOT ORDER FROM THIS SELLER!!!! I placed an order on the 12th at a price of $77 + S&H. Today, I received a notice that my order has been canceled due to the book being "out of stock". Upon visiting their seller store today, I see that the book is still listed as in stock, but the price has gone up $20. Very unscrupulous seller -- unwilling to honor a sale having already taken my money.

author: Rory
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2015, 07:32:12 pm
content: Quote from: Tallie on April 15, 2015, 06:23:53 pmI received a confirmation from Amazon that my copy was shipped on the 9th. Warning sign though of no package tracking info available, with package delivery between 15 and 30 April. I'll let you know if I receive the book.Best to leave negative feedback with Amazon if you already haven't done so. Just be specific in your complaint.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2015, 07:35:07 pm
content: My AoE 3 arrived yesterday from Amazon. Packing was nothing special....a box slightly bigger than the book and some crushed thick packing paper on top of it. Little edge damage though.No chance to read any of it yet but it is certainly quite a tome !Still awaiting delivery of my used copy of AoE 2 to compare with it.Glad to have got a copy of this book as, if it lives up to its reputation on this forum, it will be very useful in the years ahead.AuroraUK

author: Tallie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2015, 08:01:17 pm
content: Quote from: Rory on April 15, 2015, 07:32:12 pmI will be leaving negative feedback for sure. I also chatted with Amazon and they're gonna sell me a copy for the same price. Amazon CS is second to none IMO.

author: Rory
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2015, 08:06:24 pm
content: Quote from: Tallie on April 15, 2015, 08:01:17 pmGlad to know you got some satisfaction out of the deal. Why people have to make life so unnecessarily complicated, I will never really understand.

author: Rory
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2015, 12:35:45 pm
content: Mine came last week.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

author: ozwolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2015, 01:35:15 pm
content: Mine arrived last week, and became my birthday present!Wow, so much to read....Ozwolf

author: Sigmoid
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2015, 02:13:48 pm
content: Quote from: Tallie on April 15, 2015, 08:01:17 pmI got mine from them. It took 3 weeks for it to arrive, and they packaged it in a really flimsy way, so the cover got beat up. I left negative feedback, but overall I got this great book at a significant discount; and I heard that Amazon's own packaging was also below standards for many people.

author: bingo600
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2015, 08:34:26 pm
content: I just got my copy from Amazon UK - £55 incl shipping to DK/Bingo

author: Blofeld
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2015, 06:49:46 am
content: It would be interesting to know if anybody who got his copy recently, already received the 2nd printing.It should be indicated on the copyright page (one of the first pages of the book). Or you could look at page 37, figure 1.78. In the 1st printing it has a very obvious error with two diodes in parallel (the text makes it clear that the intention is to have them anti-parallel). This should certainly be fixed in the 2nd printing. And other errors too, here is the errata list:http://artofelectronics.net/errata/

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2015, 12:06:23 pm
content: Yowser ! Lots of errors in the published versionI thought these things were proof read many times to avoid such.I expect too much me thinksThanks for bringing my attention to the errata pageAurora

author: Sigmoid
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2015, 08:16:34 pm
content: Quote from: Aurora on May 06, 2015, 12:06:23 pmThat's not a lot. That's surprisingly few for the first print of a >1000 page technical textbook.