What the hell is going on with Youtubes new "design"?!? - Page 1
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author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 05:41:26 pm
content: Fellow citizens of the EE universe,does anyone know if Youtube is going to keep this new layout, or if it is just a glitch?The screaming red really hurts my eyes and I can not find anything likeable about the new site :/Pretty old:Fugly new:Regards,Frederik

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 06:32:22 pm
content: Immediately noticed this too, and I bet it is here to stay. They have shown many times, they don't care about users.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 06:49:27 pm
content: I really hope they are rolling back on the screaming red. It sits there like a contaminant. First-world-problems for sure, but I don’t like being annoyed by stuff like this in my recreational time :/Also, the new layout uses up much more screen space for no reason and feels »off« by my aesthetic perception.Edit: The red might pop much more on my screen setup since I have wide gamut panels for graphic design work. The effect is much more subtle on cheap TN panels (e.g. my old phone) - that’s no excuse though.

author: igendel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 07:01:58 pm
content: I don't see this yet (in Israel), but a few days ago, the right-top menu (when you click the round image) suddenly became a complex settings menu that required me to do some extra steps to switch between my own channels. It was extremely annoying, and a couple of hours later it was gone.They are simply doing live experiments on us, and eventually settle for whatever atrocity that somehow increases their total revenue.

author: A@ron
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 07:36:13 pm
content: ugh it also has that horrid infinite scroll thing going on now too.

author: RGB255_0_0
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 07:45:04 pm
content: There's always been that infinite scroll. But this looks ugly; feels like it's built for a tablet with the large spacing. Keep looking for the Subscriptions tab at the top.

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 07:52:41 pm
content: There is also a dark theme now if you click on your avatar in the right corner.I'm loving that feature tho, I always used to have Stylish stylesheets for that.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 08:01:02 pm
content: The dark theme is also quite fugly IMO.I sent feedback to YouTube via the "send us feedback" button on the left.The spacing looks like that shitty make over they did to the Ultimaker forums one/two years ago. It is not usable anymore since then and I quit participating because of that. It was a hard decision to leave that community, but the pain to gain ratio was just way off. It does not look THAT bad for the YouTube site, but whenever UI changes are introduced, some companies just don’t give it the reasonable thought it needs.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 09:08:25 pm
content: That must be generated by a script or something else I have blocked. All I see there is an empty gray area.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 09:26:22 pm
content: Maybe it is just there when not logged in.I am also only allowing the youtube.com domain to use scripting and keep all the other google crap out of my front yard. Additionally, Privacy Badger and uBlock origin are working hard to keep the mess on the internet in check.Edit: I stand corrected: google.com and googlevideo.com are allowed to use scripting as well. I should update my routers blacklist to remove items from doubleclick.net completely much earlier in the chain as the add blocker seems to have a LOT to work on right now. I would really like to be more selective on the adds stuff, but for now I stick to Patreon to support fellow youtubers since being tormented with adds is absolutely unbearable.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 09:30:26 pm
content: I have an account but it's been many years since I bothered to log in. I seem to remember something being there, but now all I see is this:

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 09:49:03 pm
content: This seems to be a trial, as I have seen it come and go a couple of times. If you don't like it there is a way to get rid of it. On the 'triple line' menu there is a option to 'restore classic youtube' or words to that effect. If you do this you get a pop up that asks you why you want to go back. If you don't like it, turn it off and tell them.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 10:37:19 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on August 29, 2017, 09:49:03 pmThanks, that fixes some things, however the horrible new red does not want to go away :/

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 10:37:41 pm
content: I can't recommend a specific one, but there are those browser plugins that allow you to create and share custom styles for websites. I don't know if they work with YT well, but colors could be made darker for night watching or less contrast or etc.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 10:40:03 pm
content: I don't see anything particularly offensive or difficult about the interface. I easily found all the buttons that I need to use.Tim

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 10:43:19 pm
content: As I wrote earlier, this is more of a first-world-problem and I apologize for ranting here on the forums.Yes, everything is still accessible somehow, but it is distracting and fugly as hell IMO.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2017, 11:25:43 pm
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on August 29, 2017, 10:40:03 pmIt's more of an issue with browser plugins that expect certain cues to be there to do their work. I use a video downloader that doesn't work on the new layout (yet?) and that's how I came to know how to revert to the old style.

author: skarecrow
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2017, 11:48:29 pm
content: I haven't noticed any changes besides the thumbnails have been mini video clips on some browsers. Hopefully that's a feature you can turn off. The only other change I've seen is one of my accounts that I've pretty much only used to watch EEVblog videos is suddenly banned with no reason or warning.Sent from my XT1565 using Tapatalk

author: Radio Tech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 12:34:23 am
content: I do not like it. It has rendered my android useless to view my channel. I can nor view my user list or see all comments. On my pc's I reverted it back to old style. Cannot even do that on my phone.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 01:46:09 am
content: I got the update in phases. First the retina-burning reds, then the real estate wasting layout. I submitted negative feedback. The only improvement is that theater mode now uses the full width of the page.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 01:56:28 am
content: I wonder, is YouTube where Google/Alphabet sends all new hires for their 90 day evaluation? That would explain... well, a lot.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 01:57:47 am
content: I think the new layout has less red than the old layout. Therefore I find that better.The new layout shows a larger video window than the old layout. I find that much better.So, I like the new more than the old.

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 02:21:52 am
content: Quote from: A@ron on August 29, 2017, 07:36:13 pmWhats the infinite scroll? Where it says load more and you have to keep clicking?

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 02:33:55 am
content: Google has developed a content-analysis 'AI' which it calls Perspective. This can take any text and deliver a 'toxicity rating.' Which has been shown by public evaluation with sample texts, to mean 'how closely does it comply with the Leftist/Soros/Globalist/DNC agenda'. Ie anything which doesn't toe that political line exactly, is by definition toxic.Very suddenly after Google announced Perspective, Youtube (owned by Google) has begun de-monetizing vast numbers of Youtube channels, depriving them of income. Also Google is removing from their search engine results, pages with politics different from the views of Google's management.They're all the kinds of channels and sites that Perspective would judge to be 'toxic'. So the timing is probably not coincidental; Google develops an automation for judging political slant of sides & channels, and suddenly lots of sites they don't like get shut out of funding and search results.This is happening right now, for the last couple of weeks. People following these events consider this a very serious and dangerous development, for obvious reasons.So, regarding Youtube page style changing now, I'd say it's only significant in that it creates user-discussion noise, which also happens to distract from the much more serious current issues of what Google and Youtube are doing in the political realm.And I expect that is deliberate.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 02:42:45 am
content: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_by_ordealTrial by ordealwas an ancient judicial practice by which the guilt or innocence of the accused was determined by subjecting them to a painful, or at least an unpleasant, usually dangerous experience. The test was one of life or death and the proof of innocence was survival. In some cases, the accused was considered innocent if they escaped injury or if their injuries healed.Inmedieval Europe, liketrial by combat, trial by ordeal was considered ajudicium Dei: a procedure based on the premise thatGodwould help the innocent by performing a miracle on his behalf. The practice has much earlier roots, attested to as far back as theCode of Hammurabiand theCode of Ur-Nammu.In pre-modern society, the ordeal typically ranked along with theoathandwitnessaccounts as the central means by which to reach a judicial verdict. Indeed, the termordeal,Old Englishord?l, has the meaning of "judgment, verdict" (GermanUrteil, Dutchoordeel), fromProto-Germanic*uzdailjam"that which is dealt out".Priestly cooperation in trials by fire and water was forbidden byPope Innocent IIIat theFourth Lateran Councilof 1215 and replaced bycompurgation. Trials by ordeal became rarer over theLate Middle Ages, but the practice was discontinued only in the 16th century. Certain trials by ordeal would continue to be used into the 17th century inwitch-hunts.Contents1 Types of ordeals1.1 By combat1.2 By fire1.3 By water1.3.1 Hot water1.3.2 Cold water1.3.3 Witch-hunts1.4 By cross1.5 By ingestion1.6 By poison1.7 By boiling oil1.8 By turf2 English common law3 Suppression4 Theoretical approaches5 See also6 References7 Further reading8 External links

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 02:59:33 am
content: I actually think youtube and by extension Google are held back by their own arrogance. I suspect in their view, they knew better so users should just learn to use it the way they designed it. Youtube and Andriod UI are in my view awful. Netflix is just as bad. But, they are too large to listen to us mere end-users.Organizations need to be hungry. It is then that they would be humble and take feedback seriously.Personally, I think it is high time we apply the Sherman Antitrust Act and break up the monopoly with Google, Facebook, Twitter, and others holding an unhealthy (but legal) monopoly. That is exactly what the Sherman Antitrust Act addressed.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 03:20:57 am
content: Quote from: frozenfrogz on August 29, 2017, 05:41:26 pmThey no doubt had a "focus group" and a highly paid external consultant define that exact red.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 03:23:47 am
content: YouTube is now more red (#FF0000) than AliExpress (#E62E04).

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 03:29:09 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 31, 2017, 03:20:57 amWhen I was working at a fortune 500, the marketing department there has four approved colors for brochures. If you put any text or drawing in color, it must be one of those four. They were identified as acceptable for all cultures (where we do business) as acceptable and no unpleasant implications. I did not dare ask "what about a photo" - life is too short for another hour long lecture...As to who did the identification, yeah, probably some big-buck consultants.

author: bjcuizon
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 03:37:56 am
content: I noticed this on some chrome books too long before this thread was made. Maybe they were still developing it at that time.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 04:24:30 am
content: Roger Black is a web design pro who has been responsible for a lot of site redesigns for major media and indeed, his favorite colors are red, black and white. Just red black and white. Nothing else.I don't know if he had anything to do with this redesign - but I wouldn't be surprised..Also he has a lot of imitators.Quote from: Rick Law onTodayat 21:29:09>Quote from: EEVblog onTodayat 21:20:57>Quote from: frozenfrogz onYesterdayat 11:41:26They no doubt had a "focus group" and a highly paid external consultant define that exact red....As to who did the identification, yeah, probably some big-buck consultants.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 04:30:34 am
content: Quote from: cdev on August 31, 2017, 04:24:30 amBut even he doesn't use a shade of red that goes to "11" (although it's getting close).No matter. That's what Greasemonkey's for -- beating web pages into submission.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 06:12:05 am
content: At least they didn't use the infamous blink tag...

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 06:44:42 am
content: At least the video's are larger now.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 06:51:33 am
content: Quote from: Cerebus on August 29, 2017, 09:49:03 pmLooked for how to restore the old look but missed that option. Thank you so much for mentioning it, now it's all back to normal, at least for a while.If the interfaces design will continue the trend from the last years, soon the whole screen will be filled with just one big square of only one item of a time, the next item being two scroll screens away. Oh, and the text will be displayed one letter of a time, the letter being at least as big as the reader's head.

author: b_force
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 10:50:13 am
content: For a change I actually like it.Especially the fonts/messages are bigger and better readable.

author: Yansi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 11:02:02 am
content: Quote from: b_force on August 31, 2017, 10:50:13 amMaybe for your fakin tablet, but is completely useless on a desktop PC.

author: b_force
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 11:50:58 am
content: Quote from: Yansi on August 31, 2017, 11:02:02 amI only use my desktop

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 04:13:16 pm
content: I haven't actually seen it yet, but I prefer things a little on the large side. It can be taken too far though, like Hack a Day. When your using a TV for the internet, from 8 ft away at 1920x1080, the default size of just about everything on screen is too tiny. I have to run Windows desktop at 150%It seems sometimes sites feed you a "mobile" version because they don't properly detect what you're actually using. Maybe this is due to something such as JavaScript being blocked?

author: Cliff Matthews
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2017, 11:18:05 pm
content: Seems they no longer offer a toggle between list mode and grid mode on a channels videos page. The UI still offers it, but now you have to manually append?flow=gridat the end. Makes me think that's an effort to save bandwidth.Eventually, I'd predict list mode will be the only option and we'll get promo video's down the right side when everyone's ready for yet another change."Take the herd down the chute in baby steps mate!"

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2017, 02:54:45 am
content: I noticed they're always doing weird stuff. Every time they do, it becomes slower and clunkier. It also seems to act different on different machines.I have this one machine at work that I can't actually click on a link from a forum, well I can but if I do, the video is ALWAYS going to be in small size (why the hell is that default?), I'll have this huge blue bar on top, and then auto play keeps defaulting to on. I turn it off and it will turn back on half way through the video. Freaking annoying.On that same machine even when it's acting "normal" I always have to turn off auto play because it keeps re-enabling itself.I miss the early Youtube days from before Google bought them. They just keep making it more and more obnoxious to use.

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2017, 03:05:56 am
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on August 31, 2017, 02:33:55 amDidn't this happen to this very channel the eevblog? His politics are much too toxic to the company and they might go out f business if he keeps up ad revenue. What bull shit. Don't you love how corporate America echos around the world?

author: Deodand2014
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2017, 06:15:21 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on September 01, 2017, 04:21:07 amIt all depends on which people they chose to ask, if all the people were within the same filter bubble (Right or Left) then it will tend to skew the results.

author: Harb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2017, 03:53:21 pm
content: I really don't see a problem...............

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2017, 11:35:54 pm
content: How does google actually know if video have political offensive content? Does it do voice recognition? Does it just look for people flaging the video and automatically mark those as objectionable?

author: Deodand2014
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 05:42:22 am
content: The thing I am finding most annoying about this change is that while there is an option to revert to the older screen setting, it does not seem to matter how many times I do so, it always reverts to the new default. I've repeatedly given the reason as "The new design is a poor use of screen space" but I've never had a response.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 03:15:37 pm
content: Quote from: Deodand2014 on September 20, 2017, 05:42:22 amThe interface choice is kept in a cookie. If you clear that cookie, it'll revert.

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 01:36:54 am
content: Quote from: Deodand2014 on September 20, 2017, 05:42:22 amI believe youtube takes all the comments and sends then directly into a non rotating non charged black hole so that the information can be lost forever.

author: cat87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 09:18:43 am
content: Completely off topic here, but...QuoteActually, not all information is lost when it enters a black holeThe Hawking radiation kinda preserves some of it... I think. Too lazy to search for this right now

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 03:59:18 pm
content: Quote from: cat87 on September 22, 2017, 09:18:43 amYou can lose something while it's standing 10 cm away from your eyes.

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 03:36:44 pm
content: Quote from: cat87 on September 22, 2017, 09:18:43 amI never really understood that whole concept of information loss. I thought when you turned something into a plasma you were only left with ratio of atoms and number of atoms maybe with momentum. I consider plasma complete data destruction.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 07:09:43 pm
content: Quote from: Beamin on September 23, 2017, 03:36:44 pmYou've reorganized the original data, so many times and in so many ways that it is utterly inaccessible as its original format. But that hasn't destroyed it, only mixed it around.Remember, entropy is the state ofmaximalinformation. Why is it so hard to compress white noise?What we commonly call "information" is a pattern of only modest entropy. A signal which contains enough information to be useful, but not so much that it is impossible to extract meaning from it.Tim

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 08:09:03 pm
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on September 23, 2017, 07:09:43 pmBut how is it still data if it can't be put back into order only using itself (Not needing extra data/energy to get the info back)?

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 08:20:13 pm
content: Quote from: Beamin on September 23, 2017, 08:09:03 pmData is not the same as information. Data can be random and have no information content.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 08:24:32 pm
content: Put three red balls into an urn filled with ten quintillion vermillion balls and mix them up.Have you destroyed the red balls?It's actually worse than this, because the number of permutations is hugely greater, and the red balls are changed in the process. (Which is to say, we're not talking about particles, even assuming we could uniquely identify particles when they are identical in the quantum mechanical sense; we're talking about states of particles, an even more nebulous and ephemeral property of the system.) But the principle is the same: it's not destroyed, per se, it's just mixed in so thoroughly that you can never get it back.Another way to put it: suppose we take some entangled particles and dump their partners into a plasma; have the other particle pairs been destroyed in the process? No, they're still there. When we measure the states of the saved particles, we don't get meaningful answers, because the entanglement has been mixed in with all the other particles. In principle, if we could measure all those particles perfectly (neglecting uncertainty for a moment, as if), we could disentangle all the particle states, rewind time and confirm that the original entangled particles did, in fact, correlate.Tim