Oxymoron fo the day - Page 1
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author: watchmaker
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 07:30:02 pm
content: Play your vinyl records for true analog sound on a bluetooth turntable (where do the Monster cables go?)Do you think they get the joke?

author: Coordonnée_chromatique
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 09:02:48 pm
content: The vinyl records sound artifacts have the same rendering via a bluetooth dongle or a cable.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 09:27:15 pm
content: I picked up a box of vinyls at the curb the other day which turned out to be digital sources put on vinyls for DJ use

author: schmitt trigger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 09:32:13 pm
content: “True analog vinyl sound”You mean, the scratching, cracks, pops and rumble?

author: pardo-bsso
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 09:57:55 pm
content: Quote from: schmitt trigger on November 29, 2024, 09:32:13 pmRUMBLE!

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 10:39:18 pm
content: Quote from: watchmaker on November 29, 2024, 07:30:02 pmIf the Bluetooth is an optional feature, I don't see any problem with that.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 10:58:53 pm
content: Many modern turntables have built-in preamplifiers that drive ADCs to either a USB or Bluetooth digital output.Where's the sport in that?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 11:10:01 pm
content: Yeah, that may look like an odd mix of technologies, but anything more-or-less transparent in the signal chain (at least more than so for any practical purpose here) going after the "analog" part of the turntable won't change its characteristics (unless the BT thing is complete crap).Actually, that looks weird to someone who would consider the vintage sound with some magical approach to it. For anyone just willing to listen to vinyl records for whatever reason, this is perfectly reasonable.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 11:20:21 pm
content: Commercial stereo amplifiers with RIAA-equalized preamplifiers seem to be dying out, so putting the preamp in the turntable (if it be a good one) is reasonable.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 12:29:55 am
content: Quote from: Bud on November 29, 2024, 09:27:15 pmThats how all modern vinyl is made.But if they are DJ use they were probably scratched to hell anyway.

author: Coordonnée_chromatique
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 09:52:56 am
content: Wow and flutterhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow_and_flutter_measurement

author: Coordonnée_chromatique
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timestamp: November 30, 2024, 06:13:41 pm
content: For those who understand the "magic" sounds of the ancient analog times as "scratch" "cracks" "pops" "rumble"... (a kind of violence or self excitation)You can look at the post #7 :https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/can-diyers-make-speaker-with-magical-sound.84034/

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 07:35:14 pm
content: For all the drawbacks, I still have warm memories of my first real turntable. Optimizing the tracking angle, force, bias etc to get the best possible tracking on the HFNRR test record. The surface cleaning ritual. The effort seemed to make the resulting sound more worthwhile than just pushing a button or tapping a screen. Oh, and that huge area for pictures and graphics on the sleeve. Rose tinted glasses of course.

author: Coordonnée_chromatique
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timestamp: November 30, 2024, 09:33:26 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on November 30, 2024, 07:35:14 pmUltimate dome tweeter optimization :

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 09:44:58 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on November 30, 2024, 07:35:14 pmI read today that the size of the vinyl record market is about to exceed the CD market, so you are apparently on the right side of history.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2024, 10:21:44 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on November 30, 2024, 09:44:58 pmGiven that the physical media have been severely declining, I wouldn't be surprised that the vinyl market would now get an edge.

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 10:45:51 am
content: Thread derailed in one post!X

author: watchmaker
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 01:51:09 pm
content: OK. My judgmental POV.I was among those "audiophiles" thrilled when we got rid of pops, skips, discwashers, plastic album liners, tone arm lifts and having to flip the record every 20 minutes (Thorens TT, Shure V 15 cartridge, etc). Used to evaluate recordings by the tape hiss. Bought only records with heavy vinyl from good press houses.Not to mention storage and cataloging (once tried to find Brain Salad Surgery by looking in the "M"" section of the record store; you can figure out state of mind).All gone. Now we mainly listen to WCRB which broadcasts live BSO events over the air. Yep, old school radio. BTW, the history of WCRB is pretty interesting:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCRBI can get that some may enjoy the "experience" of using vinyl. But, I suspect the "Monster Cable" effect is at play. Do those buying such things understand very few (none?) make recordings via analog; let alone the digital processing? Transcription to the master presses?I do understand the benefits and joy of high end systems that are downstream from the source (tube or solid state) with excellent speakers. But even with a good TT/cartridge the drawbacks, which includes accessing "pristine" vinyl, to me digital media is the winner.As a long time purveyor of vintage things, I have observed that fads pop up over "what my father had", whether watches, cameras, cars, clothes, furniture (Mid century modern???) whatever. I kept about 15 Nikon FMs which my daughter has and use. She tells me these are highly sought after and even the Sony Mavica I once had is worth quite a bit.So BT turntables that fit this bill do not surprise me.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 02:56:01 pm
content: If it was recorded pre 1980'ish I'll have the vinyl version thanks,you dont need golden ears to hear the difference between the raw undoctored sound compared to the the chuck it through a compressor then another compressor and finish it with a mastering compressor on the new must have remastered digital version.A good example is the opening kick drum on the pink fairys walk dont run,on vinyl its almost an artillery attack,on cd its like being tickled by a limp lettuce.

author: Coordonnée_chromatique
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 03:50:21 pm
content: Quote from: watchmaker on December 01, 2024, 01:51:09 pmTube amps do make a difference in sound, they detune a passive x-over. It may sound "better" to some, but it's not what the speakers were designed to do, so, to me, it's not right.

author: m k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 04:47:15 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on November 29, 2024, 10:58:53 pmPitch correction?

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 09:36:18 pm
content: Wow, just wow: 21 replies, almost all of which either missed the point of the OP entirely ("oxymoron", remember?) or just went off on some unrelated tangent.Oh, well; nothing like an audiophool-adjacent thread to liven things up.So as long as we're going there: I loves me my vinyl. Thorens turntable, Signet cartridge (which I could not afford to replace these days), nothing special downstream. (No tubes here, unfortunately.) Great sound. Never no wow, flutter or rumble.Many of my "vinyl records" (there's that oxymoron!) are absolutely pristine, no clicks, pops, noise. But for the occasional click or pop, I think of it as the "audio campfire", reminding us that we do live in an analog world after all.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 09:41:33 pm
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on December 01, 2024, 09:36:18 pmYou don't need a turntable to provide rumble. Most LPs have plenty recorded on them.