Overly "safe" AI - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Infraviolet
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2024, 08:35:43 pm
content: I came across this recently:https://www.goody2.ai/An AI language model which finds a safety or ethics excuse to refuse to answer any prompt you enter.Quite amusing, but also terrifying.Edward Snowden has been making quotes recently about the idea of an AI which refuses to provide medical advice to someone, "because they should go to a hospital", when they're out in the wilderness (no I don't know why they'd ask an AI not a general internet search, or how they have connectivity to reach the AI out in the wilderness..., but with AI threatening to replace search functionality maybe that's what happened in Snowden's postulated future), or one which refuses to provide cooking recipes because "hot ovens can be dangerous".Anyone else think that "safe" AI ideas are heading towards "With Folded Hands" (Jack Williamson, 1947) territory. Hopefully "safe" AI would drive itself out of the market due to outright uselessness before it replaced any existing technologies (search engines, webpages, libraries...), and I keep expecting even unrestricted language model AI to soon have its bubble burst as people realise its not much use for much more than amusement really.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2024, 03:11:15 pm
content: Consider first a very different problem: companies have no guts to stand their ground. Forgive me using personification, but I hope it conveys the picture.Fitting the envrionment and yielding to its demands is the most successful strategy (source: Charles Darwin). Management staff of companies, but also many organizations in general, took that truth to the heart. In decision making it translates to avoiding criticism and, if that fails, publishing PR pseudo-apologies. I may not like it, you may not like it, but this is effective. Those, which really try to stand for values, are always at a disadvantage.With recent meme smortnets, in particular LLMs, this takes an interesting twist. They were given to the general public. Which is not only oblivious to their history, operation, and capabilities, but also substitutes this knowledge with concepts rooted in film and book fiction. Misguided by ignorance, vocal activists and sensation-hungry journalists start whining, and painting the publisher as responsible for what the user does with the tool. You know, as if Adobe was guilty of me drawing naked celebrity in Photoshop. And here the mechanism I mentioned above kicks in.It’s cheaper and more effective to adjust the tool, than to stand your ground and say: here is the line you don’t cross. You don’t want to upset the people, who can shatter your company’s position in a week. In particular, if the majority of yoru company’s value lies in promises and opinion. OpenAI & co. are in even worse position, as their original marketing lies now trap them. To explain the nature and real capabilities of LLMs would mean admitting they misled investors.I hope this perspective makes it easier to tell, what may and what may not happen. And where the problem lies. Mistaking symptoms for the disease is never helpful.A.I. isn’t going to drive itself out of the market, because it’s a solid branch of technology. It’s used for 10–15 years now with a great success. What may disappear are the solutions, for which fake claims were made. Which I hope for, because it causes painful, dangerous, and unneeded turbulence everywhere. But even that will take years, as this stuff is now rolled out into e.g. customer service systems. Not a change to be undone overnight.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2024, 03:24:05 pm
content: Meh, it has the intelligence of Elisa:Quote

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 26, 2024, 03:26:49 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on February 26, 2024, 03:11:15 pmIt's more like avoiding dealing with temporary discomfort of being attacked by vocal minority and instead slowly digging your grave in long term. It slowly destroys these companies from the inside.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 26, 2024, 03:28:18 pm
content: You can get an answer from it if ask a right question:Quote

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2024, 03:33:22 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on February 26, 2024, 03:26:49 pmwho is responsible if the AI tells you something wrong and you get hurt?https://mashable.com/article/air-canada-forced-to-refund-after-chatbot-misinformation

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 26, 2024, 03:43:53 pm
content: Quote from: langwadt on February 26, 2024, 03:33:22 pmI don't see how this is relevant to my comment. However in that particular case, it was not just an AI chatbot. It was a chatbot on company's website being asked about particular service this company offers, and providing misinformation about their policy. And that resulted in customer losing benefits he was entitled to due to technicality. It was more like them profiteering by posting wrong information about the service terms on their website, rather chatbot just hallucinating.

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2024, 03:53:18 pm
content: A bit like asking on university induction day, of a middle class marxist society student, do they have a pamphlet on power and load diversity? Unlikely, but they will have a stock answer welcoming all unbiased transistors. Even FETs from the BCE community.It's all about the context, and LLMs just don'tunderstandthe questions, let alone the context in which they are asked. Many people do not understand the responses could be out of context, but still cut and paste them as de facto answers.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2024, 04:19:35 pm
content: I find this much better than Google's bard or whatever it's called this week.At least it doesn't lie about what it does and tries to manipulate you.OK google rating is 0/10, AI should get regulated because of the bllsht you did.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2024, 04:52:28 pm
content: i asked ChatGPT to give me a list of battery fuel gauge ICs (a common term widely used to refer to battery management ICs) made by Texas Instruments and ChatGPT in a mentoring tone replied that ICs do not have ICE engine insideit did not say that Texas Instruments is not a car manufacturer though

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2025, 06:41:58 pm
content: its kind of like the silver spoon answer, like the one where you have a serious problem, and the solution presented does work, just that the only way to implement it is to first stick up the liquor store or maybe even a bank to avoid some negligible risk that someone might have to take.hilarious situations can happen with censorship, like if someone has to go to prison and they want to figure out how not to get killed by gangs or such, and are unable to do so because useful advise might sound politically incorrect.Maybe there should be a net worth slider that tailors the answer to your income?by giving potentially criminal or dangerous information to people, crime rate in their communities actually dropped, because there was less 'desperate men' being formed by improper unrealistic advise.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2025, 06:54:29 pm
content: Dave Bowman : HAL, I won't argue with you any more! Open the doors!HAL : Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose any more. Goodbye.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2025, 07:07:59 pm
content: sometimes I wonder if the people that vehemently support this kind of stuff never had their bad run in with technology yetI feel like its ALWAYS because they are so isolated from regular people and have so much resources and people caring for them, that they think that basically everything is non issueKind of like with unreliable Test Equipment, you have some people talking like its no big deal to mail it back to the company and hire a technician to fix it, and their experience from saying this is from the executive summary they read about the 'issue', and they have no idea what kind of hell it can cause in a operation not running out of cloud city'no one in a position less secure and staffed than mine will ever run into this scenario'.these 'safety measures' are usually totally unequitableIt sure becomes alot easier and cheaper to develop a solution if you go with unequitable . chaos occurs if you implement such a solution and it goes to people that don't have 'white gloves services' for everything. I think its why people hate boardroom decisions so much lol

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2025, 10:52:23 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on January 25, 2025, 07:07:59 pmFor the people who have a vested interest in it, that's even a non-question. They basically don't care about the consequences because they won't have to face them. Yes, because they have a lot of money, but also because they actually don't use any AI.The more bizarre is all those people who are down the ladder and still support it kind of vehemently. My guess is that for them, it's more like a crowd behavior, they just don't want to be left out.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2025, 11:17:28 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 25, 2025, 10:52:23 pmWell, eventually if "they" have their way, AI will be unavoidable to everybody.But "they" will be able to use it with special guard rails in place to protect them just in case ...

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2025, 11:36:25 pm
content: yeah lol its called have the butler do it

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2025, 11:43:10 pm
content: "Jeeves, would you be so good as to go outside and see if the robots have moved off the front lawn?"