Experience with Zheng Bang ZB3245TS anyone? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: elims
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 29, 2019, 11:21:15 pm
content: Hi,I'm looking into cheap pick and place machines from China to do low volume high mix pcb assembly on my own. When looking through Aliexpress the Zheng Bang ZB3245TS and ZB3245TSS caught my attention. It seems quite similar to the offerings like CHMT36 / CHMT48 or TVM802A/B. However, it seems to have some of the pitfalls of these machines addressed. The feeder looks more user friendly and might have some advantages over the clutch systems. Also, the pull pin is driven by pneumatic which should make it less prone to getting stuck. In addition they have an automatic nozzle calibration procedure similar to what I've seen on much more expensive machines. Judging from their youtube videos the software seems usable and is available in english.However, I couldn't find any trace of someone using such a machine in the western world. On youtube there are russian and south korean user, but no westerners. Has anyone experience dealing with the company or the machine?Thanks,elims

author: GerardG
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2019, 02:24:11 pm
content: Hello Elims,We are the European distributor for Neoden.Please take a look at the N4.http://bit.ly/pt-neodenNeoden has improved the tabletop machine into a small professional machine.

author: elims
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 02, 2019, 09:40:15 pm
content: Hi Gerard,I was looking into the Neoden offerings, too. But the price range is to high for my application.

author: GEORGE12
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2019, 11:07:17 am
content: Hiif you are very particular about Zheng bang model ZB325TS, and looking for cheaper option ,we have one for sale , only used for a month and had a camera issue, but got it repaired , in good condition, if needed please PM

author: luk
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2019, 08:12:50 pm
content: Last week, I talked for an hour with a french guy who owns a ZB3245TSS (same as ZB3245TS but with 48 feeders).He use it for about 9 months and is overall satisfied. He had a camera that didn't work (see video 1 and 2 below) but it was a simple connection issue. He told me that the vibration feeder is crap and not to buy it because of the bad quality pcb inside (see video 3 below)He added that there is quite a big learning curve. But after all, the machine is good and works as it should. The support is great as well, they are very responsive. He doesn't regret it, the machine is worth the price.

author: cometa
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 02, 2020, 11:34:46 am
content: Quote from: luk on December 09, 2019, 08:12:50 pmHi lukhave you bought this machine (zb3245ts), I want to buy one and I need feedback,

author: adi24
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 12, 2021, 01:54:47 pm
content: I bought a ZB3245TSS (Beld driven) with 54 Feeders in January 2021.And I'm very happy with it. We use it for small batches, like 50..100 pcbs twice a month.We run 0805, some 0603 and VQFN32 with 0.5 pitch on it and it works as expected. Did not test 0402 yet.Max height of components is 5.5mm, but I did ask Chris from ZB if we could do more.So he did send me the PnP with additional modified Feeders as well as PCB rails with lower grooves allowing up to 10.5mm Caps to be placed as well.I do a regular run with parts up to 5.5mm and a 2nd run with taller parts.Support from Chris was always very responsive and helpful.There is a learning curve, but as I'm new to PnP, solder paste and reflow, this was expected.After a few hours I got my first PCBs.

author: RichMo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 02, 2022, 03:09:36 pm
content: Hello,I have just received one of these machines. I made a copy of the internal storage to a USB stick then plugged into my PC. My antivirus flagged up several files (including the main system executable) as having a virus.FlyerSMT_HV.exe - Dropped:Trojan.GenericKD.37940051I uploaded the file to VirusTotal to double check, and a lot of hits for viruses there too. Has anyone looked into this? The seller on AliExpress is ignoring that question. I'm hoping it is a false positive, but that seems doubtful at this stage.https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/1679b086f649d92456b2f60028fe3be7169e955830319e7f68063ab76379a37e?spm=a2g0s.imconversation.0.0.6cc83e5f809lfd&nocache=1

author: lutkeveld
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2022, 04:38:07 pm
content: The machine runs from an embedded PC right?Is it connected to the internet?Otherwise it would make zero sense to put any virusses on there I would think.

author: RichMo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 03, 2022, 06:29:46 pm
content: Yeah embedded PC but does have ethernet port. I was hoping to be able to upload files to it over the network, but I am not confident that it is safe to do so at this stage.

author: RichMo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 09, 2022, 11:16:41 am
content: Little update on the malware issue.It does indeed come withpre-installed malware!Basically the one I was detecting on the USB stick was a secondary one. There is malware on the embedded PC that will repack executables on the USB stick to embed additional malware with them. An analysis of the malware it installs on the USB device shows that it will gather user data and send it to several urls.This is extremely disappointing to have a brand new machine do this. I wonder if it is one worker at the factory doing this, or as a company they just don't care.If you have one of these machines, you should run a full scan with MBAM and Bitdefender at the least, then also scan any PC you may have shared a USB device with.

author: serious_sam
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 23, 2022, 05:13:50 am
content: Oh no.https://hackaday.com/2022/01/22/zhengbang-pick-places-your-confidential-data-in-the-bag-slowly/

author: lutkeveld
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2022, 03:13:32 pm
content: I own a Zheng Bang but it's a stand-alone machine without ethernet port.Did not expect this..... Great review and interesting shots from the inside.The hardware looks cleaner than I expected.I wonder what the intent from Zheng Bang really was.....If it was only to gather user data on machine usage they could have handled it way better.If the machine just prompts if you want to share anonymous data about how many reels are loaded etc... Some users might just agree.However sending it without notice is very bad practice.

author: eevblog_user
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: February 03, 2022, 12:08:33 pm
content: We ( small comapny ) also did buy such a Machine, A ZB3245TS . Thanks to RichMo ( we found his original article ) we did scan the machine right after turning on and - tataaaaa - virus.We discovered that this virus copies itself to any EXE and it seems all you need to do is to (try to ) run just any EXE on the infected machine.In our case, we plugged in an USB stick with a antivirus and tried to run this antivirus from the stick. After this, the antivirus executable itself was transformed into a virus...Both, the chinese virus scanner on the machine, as well as the Windows7-own "defender" on the machine, did not find the virus.But when the USB stick is plugged into any recent PC, the Microsoft defender throws an alert.So, as the virus on the original Machine does a good job in beeing unremovabel and undetectable on the machine itself, I believe that indeed soem work was invested to place it in the system like this.Not saying that ZeBang themselfes did that, BUT also saying that it does NOT look like an "accidential infection".It may have come as part of the maybe stolen copy of Windows7 on the machine. So far, no license sticker/card could be found, on on Win7 usually there was one.Therefore: Whoever owns a ZhengBang machine running Windows, please check and report your findings.

author: webconnector
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 08, 2022, 08:24:24 pm
content: Hi, I bought the SS version, my machine doesn't want to start right after the box, the PC keeps rebooting without the image on the screen "BLACK screen"ps: I have a plan to do a clean install, can someone share a clean version of FlyerSMT.exe.Thanks

author: edu.vg82
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 25, 2023, 08:31:13 am
content: I join soo late, i hope someone read me. I bought this machine last year, not sure if mine have virus i use linux on me other machines and have no antivirus.Me experience with the machine is good for hardware, but... Im the only one than open the machine software and want to cry? How anyone can sell this great machine with this software? and in chinese! i change language in some places but windows refuses to install language packs (piracy copy for sure).Mine have an external compressor used only to move the needle down, and yours? there are electric equivalent than works perfectly.Ok, the serious part... im working in PnP software for this machine, anyone do it before? i run small batch and sometimes i spend more components in setup than in assembly, vision system is a bit old too, surely the camaras can be updated to higher resolution ones (and USB, not analog with capture card like the one installed)