Proudly made in China from Scrap - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: ErikTheNorwegian
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 02:41:43 pm
content: DGC 939SD+ SMART DIGITAL SOLDERING IRONProudly made in China fromscrap,yes they claim so..http://www.ebay.com/itm/DGC-939-SD-Smart-Digital-Soldering-Iron-Welder-936-938-/170850260942

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 03:08:16 pm
content: Thank goodness they do not ship to my country........... They might accidentally sell one.

author: electronics man
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 03:19:38 pm
content: I think it supposed to be from scratch

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 04:12:15 pm
content: "Made from 100% recycled components."

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 04:26:11 pm
content: more than once, some kits I've gotton from china had reused voltage regulators (3 term). when you buy a built-up board, you can't tell, but when its a kit that you solder yourself, its very obvious. bent leads, uneven lead length, solder still on the leads, etc. how cheap do you have to be to reuse 7805 chips? sheesh! if its not a fake chip, its a re-used chip ;(

author: ErikTheNorwegian
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 04:31:57 pm
content: One thing one has to give to the Chinese, they are obvius proud of their scrap!!

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 04:43:13 pm
content: A new regulator is expensive, like 20c. the recycled "tested" one is 5c. Test may include an actual function test, or most commonly it is visual only - 3 legs mostly there yes, voltage close on the print yes, package is close to spec, fine it ships.

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 04:49:30 pm
content: would most buyers of a kit gladly pay the extra dollar for that new chip? I bet they would.many time, I would end up double-buying parts for chinese kits. I'd get their parts (often they will not sell the board, only) and then I'd order new parts I could trust from the usual places. the cost savings of a china kit then are completely lost, but at least I can trust the parts. of course, you can't fix the design with better parts and often the design is sub-par, as well.it just gets my goat that they spend time unsoldering reg chips and reselling the used parts mixed in with some real ones and a lot of fake ones. maybe you even get the double-whammy: a part being both used and fake at the same time

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 04:56:46 pm
content: be happy it is made from scrap…. it could be made wit the s-less version (although that would probably smell very bad when powered up)

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 05:00:59 pm
content: You may be laughing. Many times the used parts are of better quality than the "new" parts.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 05:25:54 pm
content: I recycle parts as well, especially resistors and transistors. Used ones are tested, and generally are good, especially if they are aged from a few decades of use. Capacitors are always tested before reuse, and if it is an electrolytic doubly so, but if it is just for a test to check it is the only fault then you go and get a good quality one it is fine. Film capacitors, aside from ones connected to the mains, are almost invariable still good and in spec. Board mounted connectors are also useful, especially those screw types and spade mounting ones.

author: M4trix
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 05:29:25 pm
content: Oh guys give them a chance. There are still people out there who can't afford a Weller or Hakko soldering station. It's $44.88 bucks anyways.

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 05:54:06 pm
content: I have at least 2 grades of parts, I use at home.hack stuff that is one-off intended and nothing critical. if I blow that part up, who cares. if its not real and its fake, who cares.proper stuff for when the user is NOT going to be me. if I sell something or kit something for someone, it HAS to be brand new parts with known purchase sources.so, yes, I'll re-use parts when its for me. but NEVER for anyone else. if it leaves my shop with my name on it, I need to maintain my rep and you can lose that so quickly if you use dodgy 2nd hand or fake parts.

author: Tinkerer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 05:57:37 pm
content: I reuse stuff too, but only larger components(metal powder resis are always nice). I certainly wouldnt use used parts if it was going to someone else though.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2014, 05:58:00 pm
content: Quote from: linux-works on March 29, 2014, 05:54:06 pmsimilar for me. the thing with many PRC parts for me is that you can't really have confidence in their specs, so I've always used them as sacrificial parts.about reusing: sure, for parts with long expected lifetimes, but only for myself or for unpaid projects. a bit iffy for limited lifetime parts, I don't mind reusing them for non critical personal projects (and relatively easy to repair) or for some unpaid projects. I'm personally not a big fan of risking my reputation as well or for wasting my time doing a hack/fix and having the item fail again soon after.

author: ErikTheNorwegian
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2014, 03:33:52 pm
content: If you read the label on top of the iron, its has a cryptic message!I got one of these stations, got it free when i bought a holde load of stensils from that company. The iron work ok, not the best one i got bay far, but ok to have in one end of my workbench that i dont use the most.

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2014, 03:49:57 pm
content: I think that label is a good example of a 'content-free grammar'

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2014, 04:03:01 pm
content: Quote from: ErikTheNorwegian on March 29, 2014, 02:41:43 pmThey had a typo, the "S" wasn't supposed to be there.

author: ErikTheNorwegian
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2014, 05:32:22 pm
content: The add says clear, that they shipp to Norway, but if yo try to choose Norway it wount calculate shipping, jsu states: Do not shipp to Norway. Thats is very ok seen from a Norwegians point of view!

author: MarkL
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 30, 2014, 06:07:29 pm
content: Quote from: linux-works on March 29, 2014, 05:54:06 pmMy policy as well. And even if fake/re-cycled parts don't fail, some critical customers might ask for BOMs and source lists, or even ask you to prove your supply chain. You don't want to be talking about your widget quality one day and then answer why you're incorporating parts from "bobs-truckload-import.com" the next.