too much voltage in the output of step up boost converter - Page 1
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author: Rishles69@
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 05:50:31 am
content: I have made a simple step up boost converter using a 555 timer for my audio amplifier. Its working pretty well, but the problem is the voltage uncontrollably increasing at its output stage. I tried loading it even with a 100ohm resistor, still nothing. this converter I have made is capable of delivering up to 3 amps. 555 timer circuit creates 34khz...

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 06:47:34 am
content: If you want to reduce voltage, you can reduce the duty cycle.Ideally you want to use feedback to regulate the voltage, for example, notice the output voltage from the following schematic feeds back to the controller chip:

author: Rishles69@
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 08:09:19 am
content: is there any way to add a similar feedback circuit to this 555 timer ?. does increasing the frequency of my 555 timer do the job?. I don't think a boost made with this ic(lm2587) can power my amplifier. the amplifier i made is a classAB amplifier which will take 2 Amps at its full power also the circuit shown can only produce 20v where my amplifier needs +-25v. is it possible to add a mosfet to switch pin for more power?

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 08:31:33 am
content: I recommend playing with TI's webbench to find a suitable circuit topology and part number.https://webench.ti.com/power-designer/switching-regulator?powerSupply=0Webench doesn't allow for multiple output rails. But if you just design for a 50V 2A output, flyback, then you can use a similar transformer winding and rectifier scheme as the circuit I posted, to generate the dual rails.

author: Rishles69@
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timestamp: February 18, 2024, 11:16:32 am
content: that ic (lm2587s) in not available here. and without the option to connect a mosfet to the ic's output i don't think its going to last very long. the amplifier i made can do 70 watt RMS to 4 ohm load.does increasing the frequency of the 555 timer do the job to some extend? is there any way to add a feedback circuit to this ne555?. the circuit i made is capable of handle the amplifier. but when its on idle or the amplifier is not playing a music, the voltage rises, and the driver transistors of the amplifier starts to get overheat.

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 11:46:34 am
content: How about the TL494 chip? If you cannot obtain it from your supplier, you can surely obtain one from a scrap e-waste AT/ATX computer power supply.You can use the TL494 to control the MOSFET in your design. Or even better, rewind your transformer for push-pull operation.I would abandon the 555 for this power supply project.https://www.onsemi.com/pdf/datasheet/tl494-d.pdf

author: Rishles69@
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timestamp: February 18, 2024, 12:44:55 pm
content: The circuit should be very small and adjustable, also it should be very efficient more than 70%. i already had made one with tl494 and the voltage is not very stable as it should be because the voltage drop significantly. later i made another boost converter using 3525A which was very powerful and stable. and now it is used to run a 500w RMS 3.1 amplifier i made. but the problem is these circuits are too large for my new project... the 3525a can hold 10Amps 80volts for a pretty long time.

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 01:13:17 pm
content: Quote from: Rishles69@ on February 18, 2024, 12:44:55 pmI think that's because you didn't use the feedback on the TL494. Try it again with feedback.Another simple chip to try is the MC34063A. If your supplier doesn't have this part, you can also get it from e-waste mobile phone chargers that plug into car cigarette lighter.

author: MrAl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 01:56:58 pm
content: Quote from: Rishles69@ on February 18, 2024, 08:09:19 amHello,The mechanism behind voltage regulators is they have some sort of negative feedback that adjusts the output to some set level. This is done by comparing the output voltage to a reference voltage and developing a signal that can control the switching circuit.To get this to happen with a 555 timer, you would have to incorporate the modulation input which in a regular 555 is pin 5. A voltage at this pin would change the duty cycle and maybe the frequency too, but you could look into that. It has to be set up such that a higher voltage at the output reduces the duty cycle, and a lower voltage at the output increases the duty cycle. The frequency may not matter as much but something to pay attention too also.To start, I would look up "555 timer as voltage regulator" on Google. You should get some idea circuits to start with.

author: DavidAlfa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 02:25:39 pm
content: No so feedback, the output voltage will heavily change with load.Why the gate potentiometer? If that's your workaround to reduce the output, its totally wrong, you must adjust the PWM duty not the mosfet condictivity.As they already told you, the proper circuit for this is the TL494 / KA7500.If it wasn't stable, it problably was due a poor circuit design. Specially with flying wires like that.A TL431 might do the job. Add a optocoupler to provide isolation. Adjust the ref pin resistors to limit the voltage.

author: Rishles69@
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 05:11:21 pm
content: "Why the gate potentiometer? If that's your workaround to reduce the output, its totally wrong, you must adjust the PWM duty not the mosfet conductivity.", yeah, a piss-poor connection. I was too much urged to test my amplifier so i did that. I didnt had time to find proper value for the potentiometer, also the whole circuit is made with calculation from ohio(no calculation was done properly) even the transformer winding the mosfet can get really hot within a less amount of time while operation

author: alligatorblues
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 05:54:41 pm
content: Quote from: Rishles69@ on February 18, 2024, 05:50:31 amThere's a very annoying aspect of audio amp design. There's always one thing at the end that doesn't fit right.

author: Rishles69@
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2024, 06:18:47 pm
content: speakers, every time, to be honest... I remember wasting one whole day just to find 50w 8ohm speaker. at last i went to a shop. the shop was actually only for speakers. i asked them for a 6 inch 50 watt 8 ohm speaker, after a long waiting they found one from an old stock. on that speaker, no specs were marked they told me it was for 40watt continuous and also told me something very interesting "this speaker is made for both 4ohm and 8ohm". Wait WTF.! how is that even possible, My bad, i forgot to bring my multimeter the check the actual resistance. they didnt had the multimeter. i brought it home, checked it with my multimeter and its 4ohm. My bad... anyway i hooked it to my 100w amplifier. to be honest, for some thing that cost about 300 rupees it actually sound pretty well. it had a slight coil rub. any way it blew up within a month. WHY? the coil wasn't aligned properly. the coil is half burnt

author: Rishles69@
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2024, 07:23:43 am
content: is it a good idea to go with this IR2153 it is pretty cheap and available everywherehttps://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/68074/IRF/IR2153.html, also is there any idea of the operating frequency of this?it als has a feed back circuit for it

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2024, 07:26:48 am
content: IR2153 does not have feedback. You will have the same uncontrollable increasing voltage problem that you had before with the 555.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2024, 08:12:28 am
content: Quote from: Rishles69@ on February 18, 2024, 11:16:32 amYes it is. You can get it from Digi-Key, which officially sells to India.

author: Rishles69@
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2024, 04:10:16 pm
content: https://www.homemade-circuits.com/smps-2-x-50v-350w-circuit-for-audio/transformer will be modified to handle 80volts, 20amps this circuit have a feedback...

author: dmulligan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2024, 04:25:23 pm
content: Quote from: Rishles69@ on February 18, 2024, 08:09:19 amYes it's possible though not necessarily recommended.https://youtu.be/-kGhAGvmLJk?si=8ZIJjuhmN2-i8YFJ

author: Rishles69@
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2024, 01:19:52 am
content: is it possible to replace the 2n7000 with tl431 ? what about the potentiometer value...

author: Rishles69@
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timestamp: February 20, 2024, 04:49:08 am
content: i think my intrusive thoughts started to win...

author: Rishles69@
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2024, 05:29:50 am
content: i think this circuit is working pretty well... is the any way to add a mosfet to the coil? (transformer)

author: Rishles69@
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2024, 10:23:26 am
content: Quote from: Rishles69@ on February 20, 2024, 05:29:50 amis it possible to add another mosfet to the output of the ic (which already equipped with a mosfet) for more amperes? this circuit is pretty stable...