What's the adjective for a connector that fits in a "'shrouded" connector? - Page 1
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author: DavideAndrea
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 02:48:01 pm
content: For the last few years, I have been searching for an adjective that describes all connectors that fit inside a shrouded connector. I have not found a satisfactory one. I am about to go to press with a publication, which, until now, has a dummy placeholder for that adjective. I am desperate to replace that placeholder with an industry term.To be clear, I am _not_ asking about the gender of the contacts:* male* female* hermaphrodite* genderlessI am asking about the gender of the housing:* with walls* fits inside a walled connector <--this one* no walls* self-matingTo show how difficult this has been for me, here are some attempts and suggestions I received over the years:| Shrouded mate | The other mate | Notes || ----------- | ----------- | ----------- || Pocket | Boss | Mechanical terms || Mortise | Tenon | Carpentry terms || Shrouded | Harbored | My latest attempt || Shrouded | Enshrouded | The placeholder || Shrouding | Shrouded | Logical, but against present norms || Wrap | Jut | My first attempt || Female housing | Male housing | A German manufacturer || Cap | Receptacle | Molex, in a few cases || Receptacle | Plug | Also Molex, in other cases (*) || Socket | Plug | AC power connectors in some countries (*) |(Sorry, I can't manage to format a table in this forum)(*) Goes against IEEE definition of "plug".

author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 03:23:52 pm
content: In Russian, drawn in images as shrouded would be called shteker... The thing it inserts to would be called gnezdo -- literally a nest. I don't think you have in English language such adjectives. But you could borrow one from Russian.Gnezdo --https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AD%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C

author: EntropyWizard
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 03:25:22 pm
content: Flanged

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 03:32:54 pm
content: "Flanged" refers to the square (or rectangular) flat piece with holes for panel-mounting screws, not the shrouding around the connector itself.

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 03:33:03 pm
content: The gender of a connector is determined by the contacts without regard to shroud or water proofing designs.There are, of course, non-gendered connectors too. Knife connects are one example.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 03:50:58 pm
content: Sheathed?

author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 03:54:03 pm
content: You guys need something like this -- nest into which you stick shteker..Shteker itself is a borrowed word from German, I think. There is just no such word in English, trust me. I know some good English. None! Language to borrow from are German, or Russian. I don't think gnezdo is borrowed from anywhere. Shteker (the thing you insert, gender don't matter) is borrow from German.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 03:58:10 pm
content: The English idioms for the electrical connectors is "male" or "pin", that insert into "female" or "socket".(Don't start!)

author: DavideAndrea
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 04:02:21 pm
content: Quote from: u666sa on September 30, 2023, 03:23:52 pmFrom the German "Stecker" = male plug. German also has a name for the female plug: "Kupplung". That doesn't specify the shrouding: either of them can be shrouded or not. They only specify the gender and the fact that they are cable-mounted.

author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 04:27:45 pm
content: Quote from: DavideAndrea on September 30, 2023, 04:02:21 pmIt all comes from back in the day, obviously male goes into female. I think you have to drop shrouding, it makes zero sense. Just describe the part that plugs into the other part, plug plugs into socket. The idea that socket is shrouded is irrelevant, unless you want to underline that it is shrouded. Shrouded plug plugs into shrouded socket.Shrocket!

author: themadhippy
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timestamp: September 30, 2023, 04:35:53 pm
content: guzinta, something that that goes into, or dattal ,as in that will fit

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 04:50:44 pm
content: see neutrik catalogj

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 04:53:32 pm
content: Panel mount barrel connector.The one on the left I would calll a housed connector (with threaded or twist lock housing).Edit: find the datasheet for a connector you want and see what the manufacturer calls it.

author: DavideAndrea
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 04:54:19 pm
content: Quote from: jonpaul on September 30, 2023, 04:50:44 pmOK, I opened. What am I looking for, please?

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 05:42:56 pm
content: In general, in the catalog for products that have all possible configurations, the "insert" can be male or female, but the rest of the connector (what only I call the 'outsert') can be shrouded or not-shrouded.This makes an occasion for the coders to create hard-to-read catalogs, and the cablers to have all possibilities available.

author: DavideAndrea
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 06:03:56 pm
content: Quote from: themadhippy on September 30, 2023, 04:35:53 pmWait, is that a joke?https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gazinta"(humorous) Pronunciation spelling of goes into."

author: DavidAlfa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 09:54:46 pm
content: Flange mount connector.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2023, 12:12:13 am
content: Just do what others do.Specify a brand & model number & let your customers tear their hair out down the track when they need to find one!

author: EPAIII
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2023, 09:42:44 am
content: What you show in the right photo are what I would call panel mounts or shells. Some manufacturers also call them wall mounts or housings. The part inside the panel mount or shell or housing is an insert or barrel. And the insert or barrel holds male and/or female pins or contacts.The parts you show in the left photo are cable mounts. They are for the cables or cords that mate with the panel mounted connectors. Again, inside the outer shells, which usually include the means of securing the connection (threaded or bayonet ring or friction fit), is a insert or barrel. And inside the insert or barrel are the male and/or female pins or contacts.The inserts or barrels are most often, but not always made as part of the outer housing.Each of these components can come in male and female varieties. So the pins can be male and female. The inserts or barrels can be male or female. And the outer shells can be either male or female. All combinations of the above are possible and can lead to confusion over what gender the overall connector actually is.Oh, and the locking ring can be on either the panel or the cable connector. Most of the time it is on the cable, but I have seen and worked with some on a panel mount. Of course, then the cable connector does not have a locking ring. BNC connectors come in all variations. XLR connectors have a push-button lock which can be on either the cable or the panel mounted connector also.If you look at the literature of different manufacturers you will see that different names are used. There is no universal standard nomenclature. I have struggled with this situation myself.One author to another, if you can't decide, throw darts to pick the terms you will use and move forward with the publishing process. Don't let this stop it.Quote from: DavideAndrea on September 30, 2023, 02:48:01 pm

author: Infraviolet
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2023, 10:56:09 pm
content: I you're describing it as documentation for a specific system you'd probably describe it as "cable side" or something like that, rather than trying to describe its shape.