9/11 nuclear demolition of the WTC - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 01:54:57 pm
content: In case somebody is interested in finding out the truth:Because the truth will set you free.

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 01:59:10 pm
content: FOUR HOURS?! I'm just going to assume it's more in the nutjob conspiracy theory department.

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 02:09:41 pm
content: I recommend you to at least watch first 15 or 30 minutes of the video.P.S. There is no theory in conspiracy.

author: PeterG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 02:23:58 pm
content: Quote from: Slobodan on June 16, 2012, 02:09:41 pmWell, what can i say? Thats 30mins of my life i wont get back.Regards

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 02:30:41 pm
content: Nobody is forcing you to watch if you are not interested in the truth.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 02:40:03 pm
content: Nuclear? NUCLEAR? lol

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 02:45:12 pm
content: Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on June 16, 2012, 02:40:03 pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Smallman12q/Nuclear_Demolition

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 03:00:02 pm
content: What on earth are you people smoking?

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 03:03:34 pm
content: Quote from: Slobodan on June 16, 2012, 02:45:12 pmIs that a real wiki page, or just something that user put together?

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 03:16:05 pm
content: Dimitri Khalezov wrote an article about nuclear demolitions, but Wikipedia removed it. Whether this is his original article, I don't know..

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 03:19:02 pm
content: What a load of shit.The smallest yield you can get from a nuclear detonation is about ~0.02 kT, due to laws of physics. The geometry and the weight of the nuclear material must be "just right" to overcome its criticality limit. That is still significantlymassivewhen compared to chemical explosives yields.If you were to detonate such a device under the towers, you will no only see massive gaping hole in the ground, partially swallowing the road infrastructure and buildings nearby, the explosion itself would be registered by seismic detectors halfway across the US. Not to mention subways will suffer from structural damage, and so will other infrastructure, such as power, water, gas, sewage, whatever. Not only that, but the construction of the new tower foundation would run into a whole range of engineering problems due to unstable soil.These September 11 conspiracies seem to be gaining a lot of momentum lately, I can't believe people get themselves sucked into crap like this, WTF! Just as moronic as the fake moon landing nonsense.

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 03:27:57 pm
content: Quote from: Slobodan on June 16, 2012, 03:16:05 pmThey removed it, because there's a conspiracy against him, right? Wikipedia doesn't want factual articles?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 03:47:43 pm
content: must be religious issue...

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 04:29:23 pm
content: Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on June 16, 2012, 03:19:02 pmThat's what other people sad, until they saw the video.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 04:33:25 pm
content: There is a major problem with the theory that a small nuclear device was put in the basement of the world trade center, the buildings did not collapse from the ground up but could be seen to collapse top downwards they also did not collapse together but with some time between them also the surrounding buildings did not collapse at the same time but were only damages by falling debris. One other thing if there was a conspiracy to blow the buildings up by the US government how have they managed to keep the secret, and why have the people who have tried to prove a conspiracy not succumbed to said conspiracy and quietly fallen of the earth.

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 04:35:20 pm
content: Quote from: Slobodan on June 16, 2012, 04:29:23 pmSo, people who saw the video and changed their minds give credibility to it. But people who saw the video and think it's shit...They're deluded?

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 04:44:44 pm
content: The Powers That Be love these lunatic theories because they divert people from considering the real "nuclear" issues of their policies, actions and behaviours that might get them unelected or even prosecuted. When people are off chasing unicorns they are in no danger of discovering the skeletons at home.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 06:40:41 pm
content: Dear IanB:--Two questions, Sir; 1) Are you saying that Nuclear issues have not been vetted? 2) What do you say to the proposition, that Western Europe would now be under Soviet domination, except for nuclear weapons?--With regard to the posted "documentary"; In a world where Michael Moore and Al Gore are given awards for their "documentaries", this sort of film is going to seem, half credible. Keep in mind that a large portion of the left thinks that Bush had something to do with the destruction of the WTC. A scientific Scripps Howard poll conducted in 2006 showed that:"almost 40% of Americans believe U.S. government officials either participated in the attacks or knew about them and purposefully let them happen"--The Obama administration's first Green Jobs Czar Van Jones, Marxist and defender of convicted Cop Killer Mumia Al Jamal, signed a statement in 2004 which said in part:“[Bush Administration] deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.”--Inasmuch as even the President of the USA (Obama), has helped the credibility of Truthers along, I guess I see what you mean by "The Powers That Be".--Remember the oft recurring stories, about the Evil Oil Companies murdering the man who invented the 500 mile per gallon Carburetor and destroying all of his research. The KGB bureau of disinformation was thought to have helped push that one along. Perhaps there is some FSS money, in this latest whopper.“I do believe that it's the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel."Rosie O'Donnell 1962 -Best RegardsClear Ether

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 07:12:51 pm
content: Dear Slobodan:--Perhaps I was too hasty calling the documentary a whopper. I guess I should have a look at it before placing it in the same class a "An Inconvenient Truth" and "Fahrenheit 911" I cannot see your link to the documentary, so please repost the link substituting an x for the h in http I.E. xttp:blablabla. Also could you please tell us, in your opinion what are the two most convincing facts revealed in this documentary.--I assure you I am interested in the Truth, and will give fair consideration.“Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people."W. C. Fields (William Claude Dunkenfield) 1880 - 1946Best RegardsClear Ether

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 08:52:58 pm
content: Quote from: SgtRock on June 16, 2012, 07:12:51 pmWhy should people have to malform their posts?

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 09:00:40 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on June 16, 2012, 04:33:25 pmIt was not placed in the basement of the building, it was placed 50 meters below the foundations of the building (or 77 meters below the ground level).Quote from: G7PSK on June 16, 2012, 04:33:25 pmThat is exactly what happened. The "top part" of the building was not damaged, the "middle" part was damaged and the "lower part" of the building was vaporized in to a microscopic dust. Under the influance of the gravity the "top part" of the bilding collapsed with freefall speed. That is why there was that much dust even thou the building were made from steel construction. That dust is mostly vaporized steel. The whole building collapsed into a cavity created by the explosion.See the pictures:Quote from: G7PSK on June 16, 2012, 04:33:25 pm3 nuclear devices were activated, 1 for each building.But I recommend that you watch the whole video, because everything is explained in it.

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 09:05:01 pm
content: Quote from: MikeK on June 16, 2012, 04:35:20 pmHe didn't watch the video...@SgtRockThe link: xttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOZLZRocDKs

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 09:24:26 pm
content: Dear Monkeh:--If you reread my post carefully, I think that you will find that I was not advocating that people generally "have to" I.E. be forced to malform all of of their posts, generally.--You see, for whatever reason, I am unable to see the link posted by Slobodan, and my thought was that perhaps if the link were posted as text, it might the get through, and I would be able to reconstruct it on this side, and then view it. This is a common practice, often used when servers delete hot links, for what ever reason.--So, I hope that you will see that this was a relatively simple, polite, one time request, made to only one person, and made only, so that I will be able to see the video, and that I was in no way advocating that people "should have to malform their posts".--I now see that Slobodan has been kind enough to repost the link in the manner which I described, and I can now see it. I sincerely hope this explains everything, for you in a satisfactory manner."I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled."P. G. Wodehouse 1881 1975Best RegardsClear Ether

author: chrome
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 09:28:19 pm
content: Sometimes I'm ashamed to come to these forums...Next thread is gonna be about how the nazi's are on the moon or how Elvis is alive and living together with his best pal Tupac in Atlantis.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 09:30:57 pm
content: That diagram for how the buildings came down is absolute crap. Any one who believes this rubbish needs their head read.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 09:36:21 pm
content: Dear Slobodan:--Thanks for posting the link as text, I can now see it. I will review you pictures, and I will view as much of the video as I can stand, and get back to you with my comments.--Just out of curiosity, do happen to know what the weight, and yield of the supposed nuclear devices, would have been? And, why did the dust from the explosion show no sign of radioactive isotopes, which have been found at the site of all nuclear explosions, that we know of."Does not squirrel crack nuts on bough of oak tree."Lao Fu 1410 1620Best RegardsClear Ether

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 09:43:04 pm
content: Quote from: chrome on June 16, 2012, 09:28:19 pmThe Nazis ARE on the moon! Don't you watch Fox News?! Why do you think we haven't been back to the moon? They first discovered an atmosphere, and then the few subsequent trips were to transport the Nazis and their gear. Of course, the first "landing" in 1969 was fake. But all the others were real.

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 09:52:13 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on June 16, 2012, 09:30:57 pmIt is difficult to understand it just from the diagram. I can never explain it to you as well as it isallexplained in the video.Quote from: SgtRock on June 16, 2012, 09:36:21 pmThe 150KT nuclear explosion makes cavity 100 meters in diameter. I am so sorry, but I don't remember all the facts in the video butallof your questions are answered in it.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 09:56:38 pm
content: Quote from: SgtRock on June 16, 2012, 09:24:26 pmWow, do I hate reading your long winded posts to say all of ten words.My post was a simply worded suggestion that you look intowhyyou can't see the link.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 10:45:32 pm
content: Greetings EEVBees:--Just in case anyone is tempted to believe MikeK's attempt to assume into the record, facts that are not in evidence, I can state categorically that Fox News has never stated that the German National Socialist Workers Party is, or ever has been on the Moon.--One might note that Fox News, though it has an admitted conservative bent in its editorial policy, clearly distinguishes editorial comment from straight news. Its news division has never been caught doing the sort or things that CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, NY Times and MSNBC, to mention a few have been caught doing in the Treyvon Martin case. Fox news has never been caught forging documents (Dan Rather), planting ignitors in pickup trucks to force them to catch on fire (ABC), nor has Fox News ever been forced to retract a story saying the the US Army used Nerve Gas Weapons on deserters (CNN). Shows like Sean Hannity are clearly labeled as editorial content and not as news content. Also, Fox has 12 full time editorial/opinion corespondents from the left side of things; among them Eleanor Clift, Juan Williams, and Gloria Borger.--Those who like MikeK are unhappy with Fox News might be happier watching MSNBC where they have Al Sharpton of "Tawana Brawley" fame, who has been personally involved in inciting two different riots in NY NY where innocent Jewish people were lynched. Yes MSNBC where they mention everyday how the US economy is getting better, and how disagreeing with the Administration about anything whatsoever is racist. MSNBC where Ed Schultz makes quips about taking Dick Cheney's heart out and kicking it around for a while before putting it back in. Yes, If you do not like Fox News, and you think all of the major networks are right wing or at best wishy washy, then MSNBC might be just the network for you."He was born ignorant, and has been losing ground ever since."Fred Allen 1894 1956Best RegardsClear Ether

author: Obi_Kwiet
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 16, 2012, 11:15:26 pm
content: I hate stuff like this. Videos in particular. Why? Because they exist to attract people who like to passively absorb things that support what they already want to believe. On the other hand, it's an incredibly cumbersome format for people who are interested in critically analysis. The result is a bunch of poorly supported conjecture that is eaten up be people who are really just looking for something to confirm what they want to believe anyway. No one who understands how to critically analyze a source even bothers with it because there is no practical way to determine whether it's a worthwhile time investment with out wading through hours of overly simplified explanations designed to pander to ignorant people's own sense of plausibility. That tactic alone indicates that the video is a waste of time.These things always follow a pattern of absurd selection bias. The "experts" interviewed are restricted to the ones who believe the video's thesis, and aren't necessarily qualified to comment on the area in question. You get stuff that is akin to asking an embedded systems guy questions about bleeding edge RF research. But it doesn't matter, because the audience doesn't know and doesn't care about the difference. Worse, you get lots of conjecture that is unsupported and uncited. They act as if it's somehow meaningful that their explanation could seem plausible to the viewer, even though it would take significant expertise to make that determination. How arrogant do you have to believe that you can meaningfully evaluate highly technical issues with no relevant expertise? Perhaps worst of all is an attitude that they can impute a motive to someone and treat that as evidence.The great lie that these and so many other conspiracy theories propagate is that a debate among non-experts about the details of a technical problem can have any meaning at all. It's not up to me to say whether your argument about seismology has any merit. I do not have any expertise in that field whatsoever. You could be telling me about the seismologist equivalent of a flux capacitor, and I would have no idea. I am trusting that the people with expertise in the field, because right or wrong, their call is the best that anyone is going to make. Casually dismissing entire international communities of academia as government tools isn't going to impress me, because ultimately, that's just circular reasoning.I think things like this are ultimately designed to appeal to a set of people who want to feel superior to everyone else, but don't want to put in any actual effort into developing skills, expertise, or knowledge. Actual learning is a very humbling experience. These are people just want to feel smug, and are happy to ignore or dismiss anything that would contradict their self-image. Honestly, I think we are all tempted by this kind of thinking, but the people who make videos are just preying upon those who are most susceptible.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 17, 2012, 12:08:22 am
content: Dear Monkeh:--In your last post you stated:--"My post was a simply worded suggestion that you look into why you can't see the link."--Come now, lets not dance the shilly shally. What you were doing was making a snarky reply, to someone you took to be an ignoramus. Did you offer any help? No. If you had asked, if I had looked into the problem, I could have told you that I have only had this problem once before, but again with a poster in Eastern Europe. And, that if the link is being deleted upstream of me, there is precious little I can do about it. I am afraid I lack the resources to do a complete back trace to every single node, so I merely asked for the link in a textual form, problem solved.--I posted politely and at length because for all I knew, you were not a native English Speaker, and I might have been mistaking the brevity and imprecision of you posting, as abrupt and rude, when such was not the case. I try to respond to people kindly and politely, assuming they meant no harm, my apologies for boring you, since obviously the assumption does not here apply.--Perhaps, you would care to share with us, how you would pursue a missing link investigation."We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." Benjamin FranklinBest RegardsClear Ether

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 17, 2012, 12:15:03 am
content: Dear Slobodan:--You may have failed to notice in my last post to you a question. The question was: why did these three nuclear explosions fail to leave any radioactive isotopes/fallout as has been seen in every other nuclear explosion on record? Don't you see this fact as real deal breaker for the nuclear device theory?"I am no poet, but if you think for yourselves, as I proceed, the facts will form a poem in your minds."Michael Faraday 1791 1867Best RegardsClear Ether

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 17, 2012, 12:21:33 am
content: Quote from: Slobodan on June 16, 2012, 04:29:23 pmI was taken as a child to see a film about a talking Volkswagen with it's own personality, I guess I should be believing that too? Seriously some people are too stupid to be allowed to surf the net without adult assistance. In case you hadn't noticed there were a couple of large planes involved in 9/11.Still if any of you true believers would like to buy a bridge I have one you may be interested in. All enquires to bored@work c/o eevblog.