People will fund fake project but not real science project - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: MrOmnos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2016, 04:30:34 pm
content: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/projectblue/project-blue-a-space-telescope-to-photograph-anoth?utm_medium=redp

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2016, 07:30:24 pm
content: Seems unlikely that you can launch anything useful for $1,000,000. And even if you do, and find another planet, so what? NASA does plenty of this already, but there no real finite point in all of it. One thing finding one planet is not going to help anything, it has to be an ongoing effort, which you can't fund through KS.QuoteWhat "breakthroughs"? Citation is clearly needed here. I doubt there is an actual technology to take pictures like this.

author: MrOmnos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 03:37:24 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 13, 2016, 07:30:24 pmIt's not about the benefits of the project, it about the what people think is important. And 1 million is probably what they are asking from the people, they might have other donors. There are lot of useless projects on KS that get funded, a science project should at least go halfway.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 03:41:25 am
content: Quote from: MrOmnos on December 14, 2016, 03:37:24 amUsefulnesses is not absolute. I like science and space exploration, but I personally think that this project is useless. They did not convince me that their contribution is significant in any way.Plus that unsubstantiated quote about the sensor makes me think that the whole thing is at least misguided, if not outright scam. I see no evidence of such sensor existence or even physical feasibility.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 06:12:43 am
content: Question:If they do not reach their goal (1 million) do current supporters (200k) get charged?Could it be Bob is behind this one?

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 06:14:57 am
content: Quote from: ez24 on December 14, 2016, 06:12:43 amQuote

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 06:23:27 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 14, 2016, 06:14:57 amataradov do you have 800k to see this gets funded?

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 06:24:26 am
content: Quote from: ez24 on December 14, 2016, 06:23:27 amIf I had, I would see that it does not. Because the more I look at it, the less sense it makes.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 06:35:31 am
content: QuoteWe need some mathematicians here. But once I heard something along these lines and it was 1500 years to get a signal there and back and that was a radio signal. So this one cannot be proved wrong for 1500 years. The scammers are getting good.FYI some scientists said it will be 1500 years until we hear from alien life - bummer.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 06:38:22 am
content: They are building a telescope, no need to send any signals, they just want to observe what is there (or rather was there some time ago). There is no problem with that.I have a big problem with the claim that they can obtain direct optical image of a planet that remote.

author: ar__systems
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2016, 05:20:36 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 14, 2016, 06:38:22 amOf course they can't. The only way planets are discovered are by slight variation of brightness of their stars when the planet comes in front of the star.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2016, 11:30:57 pm
content: If you pledge $25K don't forget to add $8 for premium T-shirt. Cm'on, you can't be that cheap to wear a standard one.

author: DJohn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2016, 07:56:16 pm
content: Quote from: ar__systems on December 16, 2016, 05:20:36 pmThere are a number of methods of detecting exoplanets. Transits are only one. The first discoveries were made, if I'm remembering correctly, by measuring the movement of the star as it orbited the centre of gravity of the star/planet system.Direct imaging is another method. And as impossible as it may sound, it has been done.Observing an earth-like planet is an ambitious goal. I don't have the knowledge and experience to judge whether it's possible. But I do know that you shouldn't underestimate a determined experimental physicist. They're capable of some amazing things.They're obviously not going to launch anything for that price, but they don't claim that they will: "We’ve set an initial Kickstarter goal of $1 million to fund crucial analysis, design, and simulations that form the foundation of the mission".

author: dan3460
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2016, 04:53:13 pm
content: I read something about this or a very similar project. The idea is to create a camera with several modern camera sensors that, with the appropriate lenses, will look at the same region where Alpha century is located. They supposedly will make this as small as possible and pay to get it lunched into space. Cutting the red tape should make this possible, working out there that is a different question.Most of the expense that institutions, such as Nasa have, is the testing and re-testing of the equipment to ensure that it will work in space. All this also makes that projects, such as Hubble, end up being lunched with 8 or 10 year old technology, and even then did not work at first.My point is, I don't think that private enterprises will ever get enough money to successfully lunch a project like this and have working successfully.