ALLPCB Spammers - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 01:29:11 am
content: ALLPCB aren't content to just spam the forum using multiple sock-puppet accounts, now they are spamming my Youtube comments, and not even on PCB related videos. Pathetic.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 02:23:12 am
content: But they do in most cases make great boards, at good prices, and in resonable times.I'll have another word to them.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 02:37:32 am
content: It is good that there is competition in this area now. I recently tried jlcpcb.com and the quality of the boards was much better than what I get from AllPcb (no issues with "green oil" bridges for me). Not sure how consistent that result is, but I'll definitely give them more orders.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 03:07:42 am
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 05, 2018, 02:23:12 amI don't care, they are banned here and I have also turned down paid website and forum advertising from them.Nor will I use their services myself.

author: LapTop006
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 03:11:37 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 05, 2018, 03:07:42 amThat's the worst part, when an otherwise good company does something stupid that means you can't use them anymore.

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 03:42:03 am
content: Quote from: LapTop006Being banned for spamming etc doesn't mean members can't still use them. If people were happy with them, nothing changes.Hopefully, they'll get the message about their shenanigans :-)

author: LapTop006
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 03:57:49 am
content: Quote from: digsys on October 05, 2018, 03:42:03 amSure, but I don't want to work with spammers.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 06:36:16 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on October 05, 2018, 02:37:32 amYeah, i've been using JLCPCB a bit recently and they are pretty good as well. I'm not sure i'd say "much" better, but I'd say they are on par with each other. I've had bad things from both. Both are ok, for low tech boards. The one thing about Allpcb is at least you will get to talk to someone if you need to.Interestingly they dont' seem to spam me by email. ( other pcb fabs do ).. I hate spam as much as Dave. but All Pcb have looked after me, and done a few super rush jobs for me, so, even though it won't change Daves mind, ( as likely as making him like USB-scopes ) it might help them.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 11:50:26 am
content: This is so frustrating!I've been using AllPCB recently, but only after discussing my concerns about their spamming with them and Erin apologising. If they aren't actually going to change their ways, then I'll likely be permanetly switching to JLC. At least JLC do sponsored ads rather than forum spamming.I ordered my last (simple) design from both AllPCB and JLC as it was urgent and just prior to the recent holidays. JLC delivered only one day later, and their soldermask alignment was slightly better but otherwise the quality was comparable.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 10:15:37 pm
content: Were they the ones offering discount codes for reviews? I remember a lot of threads being created because you'd get free boards if you reviewed their services, etc. Its possible that its not AllPCB but some random guy hoping for discounts or referral money. It is still quite a gray area though to offer that (not just offer to advertise on your *own* blog or forum).https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVcV1uwH7vdYV2qVYtPN59g

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2018, 10:26:14 pm
content: Its very grey. I see lots of adverts ( i can see two right now on this page ) that are inserted into places i want to find other thigns.. Its very subjective

author: NorthGuy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2018, 02:00:13 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on October 05, 2018, 02:43:10 amI think, in the west, everyone should be completely immune to all sorts of advertisement by now.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2018, 04:51:32 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on October 06, 2018, 02:05:41 amYou meant that odd tasting chicken that i had in Dongguang last trip maybe actually was chicken?

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2018, 05:29:21 am
content: 这是一个都市传奇I do love that this forum supports Pinyin.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2018, 05:49:42 am
content: https://youtu.be/3I7oe3MKNF0

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2018, 06:21:17 am
content: Never ceases to amaze me how threads at EEVblog take the most amazing twists and turns.Woof. My dog says he does not want to be eaten. But he woudl like to eat.

author: hermit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2018, 02:53:12 pm
content: There are people in the US at the lower end of the economic spectrum that eat dogs. Maybe not THEIR pets, but that distinction isn't important to hungry people.

author: NorthGuy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2018, 05:45:38 pm
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 06, 2018, 06:21:17 amDog eat dog.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2018, 05:45:57 pm
content: Quote from: hermit on October 06, 2018, 02:53:12 pmDo they also send spam PCB marketing to forums

author: sdouble
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2018, 08:27:03 pm
content: dogdgy

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2018, 04:13:25 am
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 06, 2018, 05:45:57 pmI dunno. But they might eat spam.I have some boards from JLCPCB and they're cheap 'n' good. Even if ALLPCB is equivalent, I'm not going to use them out of principle. If they continue to get business despite their bad behavior, then what's the incentive for them to change said behavior?

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2018, 04:36:36 am
content: Quote from: bitseeker on October 08, 2018, 04:13:25 amTo a lessor or greater degree they all do it. Its a question of where. Allpcb just seem to keep doing it on EEVblog.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2018, 06:17:17 am
content: I had a good conversation with the manager at ALLPCB today, and suggest to them, that their activity was 失面子 ( loosing face ). The penny clicked. They did not realise that paying peopel for comments, was causing them problems. ( glory bee ) . Too late probalby to save them here at EEVblog, but they have been good to me, and they appreicated the feedback. There is such a cultrual mis-match and sometimes they get it wrong.. ( and sometimes this side of the world, gets it wrong too ).Be kind. but be firm.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2018, 04:15:08 pm
content: Thanks for the update, mrpackethead. Hopefully, your feedback is effective. I can understand cultural mismatches and the like, but getting banned from here isn't ambiguous. I'm skeptical that they'll suddenly change their ways, but am happy for them to prove me wrong. More competition is a good thing.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2018, 04:21:04 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on October 06, 2018, 05:03:28 amIn Yorkshire they say "You can eat every part of a pig, apart from its squeal", in Guangzhou they serve deep fired pig squeal in batter with oyster sauce.

author: rea5245
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2018, 06:40:03 pm
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 08, 2018, 06:17:17 amI haven't allowed reviews of ALLPCB to be posted on PCBShopper for years because of their policy of paying for reviews. ALLPCB knew I was blocking their reviews and they knew why. It did not cause them to change their policy.Maybe your talk with them will change things, but I'm not getting my hopes up.- Bob AlexanderPCBShopper.com

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2018, 07:13:06 pm
content: Quote from: rea5245 on October 08, 2018, 06:40:03 pmCurious. Several of the other PCBfabs on your web site, also pay for good review and you can leave reviews .

author: rea5245
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2018, 07:17:09 pm
content: PCBWay pays for good reviews, so I do not allow any reviews of them. If there are other manufacturers listed on PCBShopper who pay for reviews, please let me know. (The URL of their page where they mention the deal would be good.)- Bob AlexanderPCBShopper.com

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2018, 01:35:08 am
content: We will see where it goes. I hope ( for their sake really ) that they will make a decision to stop the practice of paying for good reviews.I'm sorry i must have misread or read it earilre that there were reviews on pcbway on your s

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 01:57:27 am
content: After some further discussions about how things are perceived in the 'west', Allpcb has decided that they will no longer pursue the practice of paying people with discount coupons for reviews on other peoples pages. They are going to set up a place on their own web pages for customers comments which is a perfectly good place for them. While not defending what they did, I do think it was done out of ignorance of how things are done out of china. I hope over time that they can restore their reputation.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 05:16:05 am
content: Good progress, indeed.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 05:30:42 am
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 11, 2018, 01:57:27 amSeeing is believing. Lip service is cheap.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 05:44:19 am
content: They have already changed their website, and the email template that is sent out with every order. But in deed, talk is cheap.. and we will see..For me, i want to see my suppliers, be sucessful, and if i can help them, then i will. I need my suppliers to make my business work. Just like they need me as a customer. Nobodies interests are serviced by not trying to help each other.

author: rea5245
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 11:53:36 am
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 11, 2018, 05:44:19 amHave they? If you log in to your account there and go tohttps://member.allpcb.com/newmember/shareorhttps://member.allpcb.com/newmember/share_info,they're still offering rewards for reviews. (Those pages are only visible to logged-in users.)EDIT: Alsohttps://www.allpcb.com/earn_points_in_allpcb.html,which is accessible to everyone, logged in or not.- Bob

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 01:11:48 pm
content: In terms of PCB selling junk mail I don't think anyone can quite rival JSD-pcb, absolutely tons of it directed at every mail box we have or had, some quasi legit, some not and some even making lame attempts to get past filtering.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 03:49:33 pm
content: I just spotted Allpcb spammer postings today, even "replying" to another account with just one post. These people will never stop.I don't think I like to do business with them.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 06:10:24 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on October 11, 2018, 03:49:33 pmcan you give me a link?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 06:53:47 pm
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 11, 2018, 06:10:24 pmThe offending posts have been reported to the moderation crew.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 07:28:54 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on October 11, 2018, 06:53:47 pmI was wanting to take it back to ALlpcb

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2018, 07:35:29 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on October 11, 2018, 06:53:47 pmId agree that the Rodgers post is questionable. You just dont' know. Given that they have only just stopped giving coupons out, it might take a little bit of time. As i said above its going to take some time.. I can hear ALlpcb already.." but it was'nt us . This is an example of were going down the path of paid endorsements, is a dumb dumb thing, becuase you get to a point where you dont' know what is up and what is down.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 12:00:00 am
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 11, 2018, 07:28:54 pmThe offending posts have been removed. I gather the moderation crew looks at IP addresses and other metadata too.It may not have been AllPCB, but at this point it honestly isn't that relevant. They've repeatedly overplayed their hand and consequently they don't have any room to play with left. It's a variant of the "boy who cried wolf" story. Their fate is of their own making.They'll need to be picture perfect from now on to regain any credibility and trust. The proof of the Chinese pudding will be in the eating. AllPCB needs to understand it could take years to recover.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:05:50 am
content: In this case a user who was posting otherwise useful content it seems created a sockpuppet account "pcbnerd" to shill for ALLPCB. They have now been banned as a result.Likely under instruction / financial enticement from ALLPCBThey posted the same stuff in the ESR meter thread and the Rogers thread.ALLPCB employee sockpuppet account are many, here are just some:

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:14:44 am
content: Is there an implicit rule in EEVBlog, that making comment posts for 'gain' ( aka getting directly paid out for the comment is against the rules ? )The only thing i coudl see was in teh "About us". ( not that you really need a set of rules),...Commercial spamming is not tolerated though.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:15:15 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 12, 2018, 01:05:50 amI honestly feel bad for the guy, he seemed to have a genuine interest. I even would have understood posting for a discount when money is tight, but a sock puppet account is crossing the line.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:25:56 am
content: This guy broke the rules. I just asked them at Allpcb, see the response. This guy ( using the same username ) had just shared the links back to Allpcb to get a credit.I think the penny just dropped. the comment as best i can translate it was " OMG, We did not mean our customers to be spammers ".Very expensive lesson for them to have just learned.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:29:30 am
content: This is so fustrating. Trying to genuinely help these guys, as they have been really helpful to me. Yet they keep kicking own goals.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:32:05 am
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 12, 2018, 01:14:44 amHe didn't just try to gain by posting, he dishonestly tried to trick people by using a sock puppet account. You shouldn't need rules to understand that's not acceptable. It's also a form of commercial spam, which actually is explicitly banned.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:47:11 am
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 12, 2018, 01:14:44 amThere isn't, but maybe I should add it.QuoteNeither are sockpuppet account.If Ramin110 had just posted for gain we could have just deleted those posts and said don't do it again, and he could have stayed. But creating a sockpuppet account to talk up the company is against the rules and will not be tolerated.

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:51:12 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 12, 2018, 01:47:11 amCall me dumb, but where are the rules?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:52:55 am
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on October 12, 2018, 01:51:12 amhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/

author: rjp
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 01:58:05 am
content: Even without any specific rules, typically etiquette on all forums is that you put your business in the signature and then carry on like a regular, helpful forum member.If someone specifically asks you about your products, you reply, otherwise you keep your shilling to yourself.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 02:05:55 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 12, 2018, 01:47:11 amIf such a rule is added, it might be wise to clarify if and how it applies to distributors, people with a commercial website or people selling items. Especially some of the distributors here can be rather one sided and persistent, with their own personal financial interest obviously being the motivation.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 12, 2018, 05:47:10 am
content: Quote from: rjp on October 12, 2018, 01:58:05 amYep, this.We have quite a few commercial companies and reps on the forum, and it's mostly a case-by-case basis on whether they are accepted by the community or not.This generally takes the form of user reports. If people start reporting and complaining then we generally give them the flick.It's a difficult/impossible thing to make a blanker rule about because we have good examples of valuable forum contributions from companies and dealers, but also bad examples on companies in the same market space.

author: rea5245
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2018, 06:55:29 pm
content: ALLPCB has removed their pages soliciting paid reviews. Of the three links I posted earlier, two are now 404 errors. The third has the message:QuoteYay!- Bob

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2018, 07:05:10 pm
content: i hope in time that they can regain some reputation and people can be forgving of their mistakes. A bit of kindness keeps the world going.Some appropriate pressure in the right place had the desired effect. You can see thigns change if you apply enough pressure in teh right places.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2018, 07:23:37 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on October 06, 2018, 02:05:41 am

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2018, 08:40:08 pm
content: Since Allpcb made changes to not pay for reviews, has anyone seen any spam?