Sad day for Norway - Page 1
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author: Bloch
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timestamp: July 23, 2011, 10:13:20 am
content: First there are some sick people out around us all !!First the car bomb was a very sick move .......But dress up as a police man and shoot young defenseless people ------ they was on a very small island .....Officially 81 dead so far...My sympathies to the families of all those families of innocent individuals who suffered a loss

author: Unknown
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timestamp: July 23, 2011, 10:31:07 am
content: Headlines here say 91. It's frightening to think of how many of this kind of nutjob there is roaming the planet. Ninety one families in grief, or more.It's why some of the post GFC language is so frightening, all this not afraid to die for a cause stuff, it's only a matter of time before another of these misplaced lunatics start acting their nonsense out.My sympathies to the families of all those families of innocent individuals who suffered a loss and the hollow platitudes of our own PM.It's hard to see anything good from this, the one plus point is that Tasmania's madman equivalent can rot in a jail cell knowing he no longer holds a world record.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: July 23, 2011, 10:09:51 pm
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on July 23, 2011, 10:31:07 amI guess the only good thing is that the media have stopped using the stupid "Terrorist" word that is designed the keep us all in constant fear of, well, everything.I notice Obama couldn't resist using the "T" word though.The latest buzz word in this story now seems to be "Christian Fundamentalist"Dave.

author: Ferroto
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2011, 10:26:34 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 23, 2011, 10:09:51 pmObama is a Republican.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 23, 2011, 11:33:08 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 23, 2011, 10:09:51 pmThat was needling you too. The joy of the media grab. The are so used to sensationalising no news they just cannot help from sensationalising any actual news as well.QuoteAs much as I hate that one too, there is more than a good chance its a tag this murdering nutjob is happy to be labelled a christian fundamentalist, even though his actions had nothing to do with Christianity in any form.All we can hope is that he get to share a jail cell with Bubba, may all his soap be slippery.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2011, 12:39:20 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 23, 2011, 10:09:51 pmBy the Greek media ... he was Christian fanatic + Mason + fun of the Nazi party .. and many more.And I will say .. No shit !!I have no idea who this person was, but the media trying to cover up on large truth,that our society had stop to care for the problems of the man in the next door.We all have problems and we do not know how to handle them.The boy got desperate for some reason and it cracked down,some people when they come to the point to crack down they take their own life away.In this case he get the life's of the others.We use to say that the human life is priceless.Why no one cared to help him, before he came to the point to crack down ?As soon the society in Norway recovers from the grief, they have lots of work to do.And the government, and the simple people.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2011, 12:55:22 am
content: politics and media created terrorism and fanatism. the 1st blame the 2nd, where the 1st is real culprit. cause and effect. i dont know though whats the real story in this norway issue.

author: Flavour Flave
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2011, 02:39:48 am
content: The shooter posted this a few days ago

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 24, 2011, 02:59:27 am
content: Sicko...

author: PetrosA
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 02:44:19 am
content: This guy is sick. I'm a little worried though that his message won't sound outrageous to an awful lot of people all over Europe. Whereas here in the US we have a relatively large influx of Mexicans, the reality is that they're mostly Christian, family oriented and have a value system pretty close to that of average North Americans (US or Canadian). From what I've seen in Italy, Greece or Germany (and Poland too, but in much lower numbers) there's a large influx of poor people from radically different cultures (non Judeo-Christian) who seemingly have no interest in fitting in and it's rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. I know well educated, middle class people in many places in Europe who would agree with a lot of what's in that video. Additionally, as a tourist, I definitely got the impression that the local authorities in Greece and Italy have no clue about how to deal with the newcomers. They openly engage in illegal activities - if you want a fake Gucci handbag just go visit the Greek Parliament building where they have all their goods on display on Syntagma Square or around the corner from Saint Peter's Square in Rome or the almost mafia-like peddlers of fake RayBans and Rolexes on any Greek beach.

author: Vertigo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 06:06:41 am
content: Quoteuknow what bothers me?the fact that everybody is willing to call this guy nuts and leave it at that.shouldn't we at some point ask the question what is drivingthese people?just calling the person 'crazy' does not answer any question, nor does it make the badthings go away.i dare say that this phenomenon is primarily capable of persisting due to our unwillingness to facethe reality of what is causing it.this is our society that we created that is producing these people who do these things.its not aliens making these people go nuts, its not divine intervention, its not the devil,its not magic, its not the freemasons, its not the government, its not the guns andfor damn sure this kinda thing did not exist in anywhere near the form we see it todayfor the entire stretch of human history right up till the first disgruntled postal worker came to work with a gun.these are not sick people, these people are merely symptoms of a sick society.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 06:28:39 am
content: Quote from: Vertigo on July 25, 2011, 06:06:41 amNOT SICK PEOPLE???If they are not sick they are just plain evil, regardless of what influences they have had in their lives they are bad.No perceived injustice could ever warrant the harm and evil they have perpetrated upon others. Anyone who believes it does is sick, sick, sick!

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 07:30:31 am
content: it is known there are sick people. psycho and split identity. they are illusional and take a simple reason for killing people. iirc i read about serial killer motive try to save humanity by insisting prostitution is immoral thing and start hunting and killing whores, or whoever that he think/defined as a whore. these sick people need to be taken down, its a fear to society. but maybe there's indirect link why he's become psycho, ie social and economic environment. we have minor cases here where people slashing other people randomly, found out to have life dilemma and pressure. these people undoubtedly sick, but the cause maybe from his surrounding, or maybe even global economic/politics problem.

author: ciccio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 08:58:23 am
content: I'm reading the previous messages and I'm trying to understand some other member's opinion, but I cannot...The man was sick, maybe crazy? I'm sure that the Norwegians will investigate deeply into that, and some day in the future they'll give us an answer.Somebody helped or inspired him? Maybe, and they will discover....For now, I cannot do nothing, except mourn the victims and try to be near their families.In response to PetrosA's message's I ask: what should we Italians (or the Greeks, or the French, or the Spanish) do with all those people that come here and look for a better life?Should we send them back to Lybia or Somalia? Should we leave them drown in the sea?To our standards, they are not educated, they have another religion (not all of them, many are Christians) and they have too large families, but I must say that most of them are honest workers, and the they don't want to conquer Europe. They take care of our elders, they work in slavery, in Italian tomato or orange fields, the do works that nobody want.I know many of them, I know their sons and daughters, and I know that they are part of the future that this continent has.All I know it that somebody is trying to terrorize us, to make us live in fear, to make us look for the one that can save us from the evil stranger or, more simply, to annoy us with safety measures that have been proven totally nonsense, but for which we pay a cost.

author: Bloch
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 12:24:45 pm
content: Quote from: Slobodan on July 25, 2011, 11:06:58 amYou point is ?that guy is also so fuc*** up.... He just dont use a gun but a tv station.

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 01:12:18 pm
content: The point is that the antiglobalists (like my self) will be, in the future, considered as a potencial terrorists. They used up the "islamic fundamentalisams" for they goals, now they are creating a "Christian fundamentalists" to serve ther goals in the Christian contryes...

author: Bloch
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 01:48:24 pm
content: Quote from: Slobodan on July 25, 2011, 01:12:18 pmWOW ..... I know that David is god at making a really good Tin hat. Then you have that ontheycant find you !

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 02:37:10 pm
content: Quote from: Bloch on July 25, 2011, 01:48:24 pmI know who "they" are, but you brainwashed westerners will never learn.

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 08:43:38 pm
content: lol Good 'ol Alex Jones. Its funny how bat shit crazy he is.His theories are always so entertaining.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 25, 2011, 09:52:47 pm
content: Quote from: Slobodan on July 25, 2011, 02:37:10 pmSounding a lot like what the nut-job with the guns was thinking. Knowing "who they are" is sounding more symptomatic of brainwashingthan the reasoned responses of individuals. Blaming a faceless enemy is a "tool in trade" of anyone whipping up support for subversion. Only the most inept could see such a response as any kind of solution to problems real or imagined.My politics probably does not align with the slain either, but I don't need to commit atrocities to have an opinion. Only the most inept would ever feel they need firearms to be heard.

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2011, 07:13:51 am
content: You all have eyes but you don't see... You don't have to belive me, you can stay slaves...

author: Unknown
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timestamp: July 26, 2011, 09:38:19 pm
content: Something much worse than hate drove Norwegian gunmanJuly 27, 2011 - 7:09AM''Would it be true to say that you finally felt that they weren’t really human beings?''''. . . Cargo,'' he said in a dull voice. ''They were cargo.''''There were so many children; did they ever make you think of your children, of how you would feel in the position of those parents?''''No,'' he said slowly, ''I can't say I ever thought that way. You see,''he then continued, still speaking with this extreme seriousness and obvious intent of finding truth within himself, ''I rarely saw them as individuals. It was always a huge mass.''An interview by Gitta Sereny with Franz Stangl, Nazi commandant of Treblinka camp in World War II. Her book is Into That Darkness.I'm reminded of Sereny’s chilling exchanges with Franzl Stangl because of the atrocity in Norway this week. Anders Behring Breivik, 32, massacred 76 people by explosives and guns, 68 of whom were young people on a Labour Party-sponsored camp. There is no analogy between the events of Stangl's life, who died aged 70 in prison, in 1971 and those of Breivik's.Stangl claimed that he was a just a cog in the machine, a dutiful officer, efficient in his job. It's to Sereny's eternal credit that she was able, over the course of her interviews with him, to crack open the facade far enough that Stangl condemned himself through his own words.So it will prove with Breivik, as it has already started. He is not part of a behemoth death machine. He has admitted responsibility but not guilt.The murders were heinous, he justifies, but necessary. It was, in other words, to him a cleansing. Between 2-3 per cent of Norway's population is Muslim, having immigrated in the past 20 years.What a piece of work.In Breivik's mind, flesh, blood and spirit became object; people became targets, and their deaths became a goal. In the planning and execution of this monstrous deed — and it appears he had been planning this for years — the core of all that defines the beauty of humankind was drained from the cup.Judge Kim Heger, before whom Breivik appeared this week, said: ''The operation was not intended to kill as many people as possible, but to give 'a sharp signal' to the people that can’t be misunderstood. As long as the Labour party follows its ideological line and continues to deconstruct Norwegian culture and import Muslims en masse so they must take responsibility for this treason.''The Norwegian Prime Minister, Jens Stoltenberg, evoked the Nazi invasion date of April 9 in promising that never again would such a thing happen.''We promise never again July 22,'' he said. It's a vow drawn from a well of deep anguished grief, but it can never be completely assured.For how can you completely defend against an unhinged mind?Here is a man who murdered for his own cause and yet did not regard the effect of his actions as in any way mitigating against the slaughter. He dressed as a police officer to lure young people out of hiding so that he could mow them down. The callousness, the cruelty, the inhumanity of this makes his statements about the death toll not being significant a lie. If he felt so badly about his country’s perceived directions, why did he choose extreme violence ahead of non-violent means? No, it was easy to be a craven killer than a disgruntled letter writer to the editor.The massacre of the innocent was Breivik’s cargo. To him, humans became un-people. He was the delivery man to his country, and the world. The same motivation can be said of the 9/11 hijackers. But, in truth, history is littered with monsters (Hitler and Stalin, for instance) who, in trying to slake their thirst for domination over other peoples, give life a value of nothing. Perhaps, the human race is, as Jonathan Swift wrote in Gulliver’s Travels, just a bunch of nasty, brutish horrible creatures called Yahoos. It's a wonderful feeling that we can answer, No, it is not. No other creature can express hope so hopelessly.Everyone, of course, has their own prejudices and biases. Breivik has been linked to a network of anti-Muslim crusaders, so he would have found succour in others having views similar to his own. Ranting is one thing (that's why we have soapboxes, chambers of parliament and internet chat forums), but Breivik took his rant and shaped it into a grostesquery. Did he hate his victims so much that he had to take their lives?This is the hardest thing. In fact, he didn’t viscerally hate his victims.They died because they were cargo.This piece was found at:http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/blogs/wokkapedia/something-much-worse-than-hate-drove-norwegian-gunman-20110726-1hy3g.html

author: sacherjj
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 01:28:15 pm
content: Quote from: Bloch on July 25, 2011, 01:48:24 pmNow, the term "Tin Foil Hat" is very demeaning. We prefer to call them Faraday Caps.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 01:37:54 pm
content: Quote from: rico1974 on July 27, 2011, 01:13:15 pmWhat a bucket of utter xenophobic rubbish, not the video, but the suggestion that any kind of racial inequity or over-representation is a rational inducement for the cowardly slaying of around 100 young lives. Europe needs to rid itself one and for all of ideas of ethnic cleansing or racial superiority.I am not saying particular ethnic groups are not over represented in some statistics, but such behaviors are not universal for their race, and how by any wild stretch could any sane individual equate it as impetus or justification for the termination of 100 young and essentially innocent lives.There is no justification for this! None by any measure.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 03:19:49 pm
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on July 27, 2011, 01:37:54 pmYes we should follow your example, like getting the land of the aboriginals with the guns in our hands.Any way, today we have more serious challenges to deal with, and this is the monopoly of the bankers,and their effect on our life's.And for how long time yet, we will just stand and watch.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 10:24:08 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 27, 2011, 03:19:49 pmA good start would be knowing what the hell your are talking about. And before you start pointing blame our direction how about we chat about Greece's record on their Turkish border or the state of Macedonia. Hmm?

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 10:24:32 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on July 27, 2011, 04:22:31 pmI do not care of what you are doing on your bed or in your car !!Statistics ? who does the counting ?Do you invite them to watch and taking notes ?Oh my I was needing a good laugh , thanks man.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 10:32:53 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on July 27, 2011, 04:22:31 pmYeah it's pornography. Your point in posting it is?QuoteWhat a crock of shit,a crime is a crime is a crime, where does the racial stereotype come into the picture? The dumb-assed idea of some Europeans that as a race they are above crime. Give me strength. There are good and bad in every race,creed or religion to think otherwise is just xenophobic bullshit. There is no crime on earth that justifies the actions the Norwegian madman. Think of another picture, it's your daughter at a summer camp gunned down by a madman with a cause, is that not also a justification. If there is anything Europe leads the world with it's the ability to create pointless racial and religious divides.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 10:38:52 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 27, 2011, 10:24:32 pmyeah, was talking about these police report about raped womanshttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=4261.msg56874#msg56874the statistic isn't really funny, and well you living in europe too, so you know what i'm talking about.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 10:46:47 pm
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on July 27, 2011, 10:32:53 pmyou have no idea about Europe. When someone wish to move to Australia, even from western country,you have to have enought money, preferred MBA - no morons, no poor poeple.If you try to move from whatever country to (most) earopean countiresyou have to have nothing .. enough you say "my country bad, need money, europe good".So what do you think, who are the majority of the emigrants? Right, most are brain death, without any chance to ever be intergrated within western culture. And btw, i know what i'm talking about, i'm emigrant too living since 25yrs inwestern europe, more or less integrated (i think i f*** enough western girls to say i'm "integrated").

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 11:04:22 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on July 27, 2011, 10:46:47 pmPreferred MBA yeah that comes up all the time in boat people negotiations. Get real! Clearly you have no idea on what goes on in other countries and it looks like very little idea of what is actually happening in Europe.To defend or justify in any way the actions of this madman is reprehensible!

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2011, 11:11:41 pm
content: If you love believing in statistics projected by the controlled media,then you are the model of the controlled citizen, that the government and the system loves to have.I got born to blow up such statistics boards.By the statistics, I would had try drugs even once, so to see how they look like.I am 42 and never did ..But there is one point about the shitty statistics, and this is the level of unemployed.The shithead politicians get payed under the table to let the borders open to the illegal emigrants.The Police gets payed under the table and the profit of this job its large ... exploit of illegal emigrants,the name of the new business..And the happy German society started to get angry with the enormous amount of Turkish people who had invadein their country, and the German young people had thousands of problems, criminality got up, finding a job become another one problem.And the same happens in Greece too, we have another invasion, from Albanians and others.I will throw them happily in the sea too.I love such ethnic cleansing.They got in my home with out permission.I do not share my home with any foreign, I am the owner.And I do not care to be called as xenophobic or racist.Who me ? who invented the word philoxenia worldwide ?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhiloxeniaYes for every society there is a limit.Europe is unable to handle more emigrants, and the young's and the grown ups, they can not handle the problems that the emigrants cause in our society.Hey Vernon invite all the emigrants in your home, it looks that you love them that much.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 01:32:28 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 27, 2011, 11:11:41 pmI am not sure why you mentioned this Kiriakos, but since you did I am entitled to an answer. Turks did not "invade" Germany, there was a mutual agreement between two countries more or less enforced by the US. It served both countries rather well, Turks got jobs Germans filled their job vacancies and somewhat softened their xenophobic image.Did this cause criminality to go up in Germany? Well not among the Turkish minority. So arguably the criminals were already there. No matter how "refined" a society is, there will always be a bunch of fucked up skinheads who prefer to kill people because it is easier than getting a job. We have'em here, you have them there, they are everywhere.I've been to a lot of places and I've seen more bullshit than necessary for my own good. I've seen concentration camps in communist Bulgaria and Russia. I've seen Bulgarian policemen imprisoned and tortured because they refused to torture people in those camps. I've seen big oil companies in Russia refusing to employ anybody who knew russian. I've seen German skinheads bartering arms for drugs with kurdish Germans. If you believe the media, neo-nazis are busy burning the Turks alive. Since the media and the government does not distinguish between turkish and kurdish in that context, you don't expect them to trade underground right? Whatever, those arms probably ended up in Iraq killing Yank soldiers. Wanna guess where these cut-throats received their training? They were all too proud to tell me...You ever heard of any government agencies that are not supposed to exist? Every country has them. These agencies have a classification for people who are easily indoctrinated. They call them "Useful Idiots" check wikipedia. They have manuals describing how to "handle" this sort of people. The fuck-wit in Netherlands was an useful idiot, once indoctrinated he could be steered to do anything. Remember the video he posted? This is an insight on how he was steered. What scares me most is that if we show signs that we are are liable to indoctrination we become useful idiots too. If we show signs that we are not suitable indoctrination material we become enemies of the state. You and me Kiriakos, either useful idiots or enemies of the state.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 03:31:36 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 27, 2011, 11:11:41 pmAustralia has! Post world war II the evil hordes of migrants were from Greece and Italy, and the xenophobes regarded them in the same terms as you are regarding immigrants from other troubled lands. Should we have adopted your way of thinking and said, "Go Home Immigrants" to all those escaping strife and poverty in their home country? How was their plight different from those today?

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 09:57:31 am
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on July 28, 2011, 03:31:36 amDid they came at night in your land ? With out to be aware of it ?You do not have at hand comparable data, and so stop playing with the word " Europeans ",you will force me to send the Helicopters !! LOL

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 10:30:51 am
content: Quote from: HAL-42b on July 28, 2011, 01:32:28 amHey neighbor, it looks that you had followed a wrong advice.Given from some one like USA, who has a billion unsolved internal issues, with gun lords / drug lords / geto neighborhoods / armed clans / and the list goes on and on.The bottom line is that the emigrants does not live in the houses of the politicians, they live next to yours.The blindly accepted agreements between few politicians , they do now translate that they will be publicly accepted too.The historicist will write 50-100 years later, that this or that decision was an Error..Yea no shit , how about me that I have to live with the consistences of that error, for the rest of my life ?About the Kurdish and the gray-wolfs, its best to hide this subject under the carpet for now.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 11:13:37 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 28, 2011, 10:30:51 amLet's say that it was an offer one cannot refuse. We couldn't refuse because we needed the jobs. Also we were afraid from being overrun by the ruskis. Germans couldn't because they had lost the war and did everything uncle sam told them to do. There was no decision making involved.Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 28, 2011, 10:30:51 amYeah yeah - somebody else's problem right? I love it when I get that response...

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 12:19:47 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 28, 2011, 09:57:31 amWhat people of any race do at night in their homes and beds is no concern of mineand should be no concern of yours.You do not have at hand comparable dataQuite right I have no data comparable with racist or xenophobic slurs.Quotebut "dirty and impoverished descendants of a bunch of la-de-da fruit salads who invented democracy and then forgot how to use it while walking around dressed up like girls", takes way too much typing.QuoteGo your hardest.

author: Seán
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 12:28:02 pm
content: Ok, I am just new here, so, forgive me, but it is really sad to see that a post which started off talking about such a tragic event has ended up with people bitching at each other.Man, wake up. People were murdered. I mean, actually, think about it. Try and put yourself in the place of some of the people in that bomb, or worse, some of the people on that island, who thought someone was coing to help them, only to find out that they and their friends were going to be slaughtered.Maybe he is insane, maybe he isn't ...maybe he is a product of society, maybe he isn't. But man, people were murdered, blown up, gunned down. I can't even wrap my head around that.So, maybe, just maybe, people should stop having silly fights about politics and religion, and just try to get on with one another. If someone disagrees with you, so what? It's a big world, and everyone is entitled to think what they wish. I don't have a problem with other opposing views. In fact, I love them!!So, you know what, lets try and have a little less hate in the world, and maybe we can stop the next Norway, the next Somalia, the next whatever.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 12:41:30 pm
content: Quote from: Seán on July 28, 2011, 12:28:02 pmIf only! But damn right everyone should be making an effort towards tolerance.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 02:06:21 pm
content: Quote from: HAL-42b on July 28, 2011, 11:13:37 amWell currently I am watching Ezel on my TV,http://www.ezel.tv/.I need only positive influence right now, no matter the source.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 02:19:03 pm
content: Quote from: Seán on July 28, 2011, 12:28:02 pmYou know something I prefer to have the chance to bitching with others inside in a forum.Because If I meet them in the battlefield there is no time for Chit Chat.bitching mode : OFFIn my first message in this thread ( topic) .I was crystal clear that what happened to Norway , it is an internal issue that the government and the people will have to solve.bitching mode : ONI have lots of my own problems, and no time to think about the foreign problems.

author: Seán
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 02:55:57 pm
content: Well, I think that's a very sad way to live your life, but, it's your life to live. So, good luck with it.Seán

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2011, 03:18:53 pm
content: Quote from: Seán on July 28, 2011, 12:28:02 pmdont worry thats normal. its human nature.

author: eternal_noob
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2011, 07:58:43 pm
content: Quote from: Slobodan on July 25, 2011, 01:12:18 pmWell, I'm from Norway, and I actually agree with Slobodan. There are more to this story than the media will tell, and the leftist side of the political spectrum are lavishing themselves from this tragic event. There isn't much you can discuss anymore without being labeled as a ''dangerous fundamentalist'' here.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 29, 2011, 09:38:39 pm
content: Quote from: eternal_noob on July 29, 2011, 07:58:43 pmShooting 100 people isn't dangerous? Discussion is fine, my politics is very much to the right, I believe in nation identity, and capitalism and a work effort. I cannot stand the homogeneous identity some would have us all adopt, but I'm at a loss seeing here bombs or cowardly shooting can ever be understood.A murderous act by an utter misfit has no justification, the plain fact this nutjob had to resort to violence shows he was pushing ideas that no one but another madmen would subscribe to.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2011, 09:41:24 pm
content: Quote from: eternal_noob on July 29, 2011, 07:58:43 pmI have stop worrying for my public image from the start of my life .All that I care, is to say the truth about how I feel, and afterwords to have an peaceful night sleep.If you follow this path, you will have very few friends, but those they will be better than brothers to you.

author: eternal_noob
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2011, 12:38:10 am
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on July 29, 2011, 09:38:39 pmSheesh, where did I suggest it wasn't?Quote from: Uncle Vernon on July 29, 2011, 09:38:39 pmMe too, but criticizing my own government for their psychopathic war against Libya, and blaming the same institution, but not the muslims, for all the immigration problems, obviously makes me very ''dangerous''.Quote from: Uncle Vernon on July 29, 2011, 09:38:39 pmI totally agree, but I strongly doubt this guy is a real Rightie. It makes no sense killing people from the political ''left'' and then expect sympathy for the political ''right'' (We have no real Left and Right here in Norway. They're all commies basically).

author: eternal_noob
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2011, 12:41:40 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 29, 2011, 09:41:24 pmYeah... If you want Liberty, you can't ask for it, you'll have to take it (By being disobedient. Going physical is always the last resort).

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2011, 12:46:18 am
content: Quote from: eternal_noob on July 30, 2011, 12:41:40 amYes I am trained to take it.No worries mate .

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 30, 2011, 10:14:07 pm
content: Quote from: eternal_noob on July 30, 2011, 12:38:10 amNot at all. There is plenty to criticise in most national governments. What is dangerous is the suggestion that individuals are powerless and that unrest or violent acts are the only solution. There is always some nut-job out there that takes such talk seriously. There are more ways to hold governments to account than lobbing missiles up public streets.QuoteThe guy isn't anything but another loser, a misfit and a waste of oxygen. What I've had issue with in this discussion is any suggestion that their are valid reason for this creep holding the twisted opinions he does.

author: Vertigo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2011, 07:38:57 am
content: if you assholes don't understand what i am saying, it is because you do not want to.seriously i am making a very simple point:'understanding will yield better results then blind judgment'Quotehow the hell do you attempt to achieve that wile indulging in ignorance?seriously, what is the weather like up your own ass?its very simple people: these people are not sick alone, WE ARE ALL SICK TOGETHER!don't you get it? this is a SYSTEMIC PROBLEM that pervades throughout our entire society!what you are seeing with these spree killings are merely the symptoms.what i am saying is simply this:we can pretend to understand the symptoms, but if we continue to refuse toknowledge the systemic problem causing these symptoms, we cannot expect anythingother then those symptoms getting worse and worse.ignorance is the problem, not the solution!while were on the subject:why are you so hellbent on trivializing the perpetrator anyways?does it have something to do with an unwillingness to acknowledge our own individualresponsibility towards the society we created together?WE; all of us together, are creating this mess!putting all the blame on some retarded guy who himself doesn't even understand why he doeswhat he does, is beyond stupid and extremely gutless and selfish.u can keep calling the guy crazy, but understand that the word 'crazy' does not explain anything whatsoever.all it does is form an excuse for denial.let me put it in yet another way:calling this guy crazy and pretending that that is all there is to know ispretty much synonymous with saying 'it happened for no reason'.i though you people were supposed to be intelligent?"there is no greater crime then to indulge in ignorance"-chinese proverb."the cause of all insanity is our own unwillingness to experience legitimate suffering"C.G. Jung"you guys are a bunch of dicks"-me

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2011, 08:33:03 am
content: Quote from: Vertigo on August 07, 2011, 07:38:57 amswinging dicks....you having a bad day?

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 07, 2011, 11:40:50 am
content: Quote from: Vertigo on August 07, 2011, 07:38:57 amThen perhaps it is you that is out of step.QuoteYes it sure is you that has issues with producing a rational argument. Your use of abuse language simply amplifying your inability to present a rational and coherent point of view.QuoteI can put forward a point of view and can be heard without having to resort to violence. Hell if I can anyone can. Of course they would have to want to first.QuoteYou can leave me and the rational majority who condemn such violence out of your WE. We do not subscribe to your point of view.QuoteWe get it! Not so sure you do.Quoteyeah mass murder is an everyday occurrence at every shopping mall and public venue.QuoteNo what I am seeing is the result of yet another inadequate sicko who hasn't really thought things through, and who chooses to blame others for his own social ineptitude.Quotebecause he is just another inadequate nobody who deserves little attention (or oxygen). A creature so pathetic that he has to resort to madness for his 10 seconds of not infany.QuoteYour logic or lack of it beggars belief! What has anyone else's responsibility have to do with the twisted actions of a madman. Should all policy be rearranged to suit the delusion this and every other sick coward?QuoteBulldust! This sicko has responsibility for his own actions, if he cannot determine truth from madness then that's hardly my responsibility.QuoteWho pulled the trigger? Damn right he deserves the blame! His actions, his responsibility.QuoteBetter than your alternative which is trying to suggest there is a rational reason for such acts of madness. There isn't never was, never will be.QuoteIf you must.QuoteHe is crazy! His act's were crazy! His rational flawed twisted an irrational. The though anyone would want to defend such an animal is crazier still.QuoteThere is no reason. Never was, never will be. Act's of madness will never have any good reason.QuoteThen you should have realised we would take a rational approach. To even suggest there could be any sort of reason is an insult to many grieving friends and relatives of his innocent victims.QuoteBye then. Close the door on your way out, thanks.