why IOT still not industrialization - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: ansonbao
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 10:35:33 am
content: IoT is a very popular concept,at least in China.I have heard this so many years ago and they announce IoT will change the world.But so many years passed,it still just a thought,not industrialization?Like the smart house,still not industrialization.I ever talk about this with my friend,he said one of the reason is didn't solve the secure problem.Still exist any other reason?

author: dimkasta
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 10:52:16 am
content: Lack of products with big markets

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 11:19:10 am
content: I visited the big trade show, called the "Hannover Messe" in Hanover, Germany yesterday. Industry 4.0 was pushed everywhere.Interestingly almost every vendor in the Energy, software and testing business that IoT somewhere on their banner but far away from any realization.I am not sure why.May be it will just stay a catch phrase for those in the know.

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 11:22:54 am
content: A great many products simply do not need, or are made actively worse, by trying to connect them to the internet.Security is important, of course, but the fact that a product is insecure doesn't stop people from buying it. It's really only a consideration for the small number of people who understand that it can be a problem. The rest would simply buy the product, then discover it stops working, then complain, by which time it's too late.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 11:26:14 am
content: QuoteWhat exactly do you understand by IoT for industry? If you mean interconnected things, then this is already present in industry and was before the existence of the Internet.If you mean connecting them through an outside network together (even though they are in the same plant), well, that's an insane and horrible idea that can only make things worse.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 11:35:26 am
content: There is some. But most systems run small performance embedded webstacks that are not able to handle "the internet". Not to mention if they ever receive firmware upgrades.There is no life or dollars in danger when your lights at home misbehave! But in any other case, there will be money or life in danger.Most high tech PLC I've worked with uses a Java applet as HMI. Not a single standard workstation is able to use this since all browsers refuse java applets.I have usedewonfor some remote fault analysis devices. Note: analysis. Still no life in danger when it gets a dos attack.And I know some manufacturers of production facilities that offer these things for remote assistance. But someone still has to go to the machine and plug in the cable to allow access.Maybe you should ask Stuxnet?What is happening lately is more and more requests for bus type communications. Such as modbus or can bus on industrial devices. Instead of many relays.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 11:37:31 am
content: I don't need nor want nor like my fridge to buy my food, thank you very much.

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 12:03:56 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on April 28, 2017, 11:26:14 amI'm guessing it's a language barrier issue, and that "not industrialization" simply means not having reached mass acceptance or a high degree of market penetration.

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 12:52:41 pm
content: I think the problem is there is no 'killer application' for IoT.Look at computers. Their killer application is to save time, process more data, make less mistakes, etc. Everyone has some kind of computer now, even if it is just for banking and writing 5 letters a year.Look at mobile phones. Being able to call from anywhere is awesome. Nowadays the market is also BS-ifying to keep some revenue going, but still everyone has a mobile phone of some degree of functionality..What IoT application must I absolutely have to not miss out on anything?Why should my home appliances be connected to the internet? I don't see any reason. Like as if my microwave is going to be able to put things in it by itself when I'm not home. I might as well be around when I turn it on.Look at Juicero. People call IoT DRM. Why should we allow DRM into our physical life? There is absolutely no right of existence for these kind of products IMO, it's all made up stuff. A hype, a bubble perhaps.Home automation? Having your house lightning and climate control automated is cool, but also a bit nerdy. People don't mind flicking a light switch or opening a window every now and then.Moreover there is no reason to put this 'in the cloud', i.e. IoT-ify it. If I were to run such a system, it betternotbe connected to the internet at all, because of privacy & security and stuff..

author: mac.6
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 12:53:16 pm
content: why no "industrialization"Because:1- there is a lot of fragmentation in term of standard, so everyone is waiting for one to emerge2- there is still a lot of legacy that don't want to die3- there is in fact no market for it. I mean nobody sane will pay hundreds to switch their lights with their smartphone.4- this is a low margin market. Too close from commodities to pump $ in it.So until 3 and 4 are resolved by a new killer high margin high demand novelty, it won't happens. It will only creeps at low rate like it is today.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 12:56:56 pm
content: What? I am working at a company, making smart meters, connected to the network. The closest city in has smart lighting. I can buy smart light bulbs at the store, my bosses car is connected to the internet. I can buy a button, if I press it, the postman will bring me extra condom from amazon. And the parking lot the last time read my license plate, know that I've payed already, so turned on lights which guide me to the nearest exit. Some people claim that IOT is not here?

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2017, 10:23:29 am
content: It sort of is, it's called SCADA.I want to eventually design my own system and make it really modular, I'd probably look at selling it too, though I don't know how big the market is for that. Majority of public just want something quick and easy that connects to their phone, they don't care about security or privacy or open sourceness or fact that it's probably going to be obsolete in 5 years because the company is gone and the protocol is proprietary. My system would be mostly wired and designed around NO/NC contacts and analog values and not be cloud based. Essentially a fancy front end to MCU pins, but I'd probably create my own protocol too so more complex sensors that may require multiple components would just communicate using that standard protocol for the system. Of course I'd make it open source. Basically you connect a new sensor to the main board and in the web interface it would show up as a new sensor that you can then configure. Can set alarm points, actions if it goes to a certain value, etc...

author: ansonbao
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2017, 02:46:42 am
content: Quote from: dimkasta on April 28, 2017, 10:52:16 amMaybe,but now the car with IoT is a very popular thought in China

author: ansonbao
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2017, 02:48:45 am
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on April 28, 2017, 11:19:10 amIt is a pity,some of my friend that learn computer even think the IoT just fraud.

author: ansonbao
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2017, 02:50:58 am
content: Quote from: daqq on April 28, 2017, 11:26:14 amI mean it is not very popular,just like I said the smart house.It has been brought up so many years,but common people still didn't see it

author: ansonbao
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2017, 02:53:12 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on April 28, 2017, 12:56:56 pmbut the truth is that most of people didn't accept it

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2017, 03:10:32 am
content: There are things that solve a real problem. Like smart electric power meters. They solve a problem for the power company in that they don't have to pay someone to go physically look at each meter, and that person doesn't have to worry about locked gates, angry dogs and overgrown foliage. They solve a problem for users by making it easy for them to check usage frequently and eliminating errors from the low paid meter reader. Things like turning on the AC by phone so the house is cool when you get home while saving energy the rest of the day may fit in this category, but works best for single people and married people without children or pets who have the same schedule. Otherwise there aren't large blocks of time that make turning the AC down worthwhile. So the market shrinks and may not be viable.These things are taking off. Whether you call them IoT or something else.Other IoT things either haven't been invented yet, or don't solve a problem that many people find compelling. I have automated the lights in my house twice, and stopped doing it because I didn't find it all that useful. Motion sensors yes, but pre-programmed lighting only works for those who have extremely regular routines. Lighting automation is much more compelling than many of the other proposals. If you need a video camera in the refrigerator to figure out what to shop for you probably aren't competent enought to earn the money to pay for the refrigerator.Same sort of thing applies in the industrial world. How many pieces of production gear are so reliable that they can run without on site supervision, but need some sort of remote supervision? Do you really want your pick and place machine automatically ordering a new reel of components when the real gets low? Without shopping around? With no decision trees around lead time? Without decision trees about the remaining number of boards to be stuffed?So bottom line. Only a few killer apps, not enough to feed an ecosystem.