About growing fed up of wireless input sh*t! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: VinzC
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 01:08:03 pm
content: Foreword: this is a rant.I've progressively grown fed up of those wireless keyboards and stuff — that said mainly keyboards, mice and combos. Fact is *all* the ones I've tried have failed miserably and without warning, just all at once they *all* stopped functioning. When they don't require changing the batteries every month (hmmm, Logitech?) they just stop working while I'm typing.The latest one is aTrust wireless keyboard with trackball. I've tried Logitech, Medion, Trust... *all* (i.e. 100%) of them have failed after 6-12 months. Absolutely *none* have been reliable in the long or even medium run. And I do handle them with care all the time.The ones I'm talking about are those that come with a USB dongle. I'll never ever be caught again buying those pieces of crap.But I want to know: is it just me or is there really something very crappy about all those wireless input devices?

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 01:12:28 pm
content: I've been using wireless keyboard and mouse for about 3 years or more. My first one was Logitech - and so is the second one - that I'm using at the moment.

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 01:16:03 pm
content: Its a very mixed bag,I ended up settling on a logitech K400r (trackpad stopped working, but I dont use it) and a microsoft wireless mouse 5000 (Its bundled keyboard and its replacement failed within 2 weeks)So far the microsoft mouse I have had to pull down a few times simply to clean it to keep it going, things like hair getting in the scroll wheel. but I don't blame the device for needing a yearly cleanout, the fact I can easily pull it down to clean is far better.The logitech keyboard, has just kept on going solid, Its a membrane keyboard, but key presses have a good standoff

author: CopperCone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 01:49:20 pm
content: I think its a security nightmare

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 02:16:05 pm
content: I got an old Logitech G700 which you have to change battery in basically every day (it also had nickel in the scroll wheel which made it unusable).I now use two newer Logitech mice (an M590 and a G602) which work well. I'm not sure how often I have to change battery but it's not often. I use NiMH batteries so always have a charged one ready when you need to replace it.Don't like wireless keyboards because of the security risk.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 03:26:58 pm
content: I hated my one and only wireless keyboard. It had right around 2-3 key rollover, and dropped out more times than California's students have dropped out of high school.I am currently a Ducky One with MX Greens, which are absolutely dreams to use. The 80cN actuation force (and I believe 110cN of full depression force, but that's just a number that's in my head) is PERFECT. My fingers absolutely love it. I spent 100 bucks on it.My mouse is just some cheap Chinese Redragon thing that was given to me as a gift. It lights up, has adjustable lights and has (barely) programmable extra buttons. The scroll wheel is annoying to press down, and has broken on another one I know of (doesn't bump as you move it anymore), but while it still works, it's usable.

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 04:16:02 pm
content: For my desktop computer at home - I see no point in using wireless KB or mouse. They sit on my desk, computer alongside it. And after going through 2 Logitech wireless mice, the first of which ran down a pair of AA batteries in less than a week, and the second replacement one (free - because the scroll wheel stopped working in the first one while still under warranty, so Logitech sent me a replacement, a different model because the one that failed was no longer produced), I went back to a wired mouse, and the current one (also Logitech) I've had for or 7 years now.On my laptop - well, I had a nice Logitech wireless one, complete with the same fancy scroll wheel as my desktop one, the ones that are metal and you can have it either click or freewheel. That lasted all of 4 months before the left click stopped working. Supposedly an easy fix by putting a dab of CA is just the right spot to depress the tac switch inside, but the heck with that. It didn't have great battery life anyway - better than that first desktop wireless one, but not great like the old Microsoft wireless mouse I had. Since I was in a hurry (can;t STAND track pads, even the "high quality" ones), I picked up a cheapy wireless mouse at Walmart, I think this was under $14USD. That was 4 years ago, and while a couple of the slippery pads on the bottom have fallen off and been lost, it still works great. A pair of AAA batteries lasts for months, and the thing really works down to a low cutoff - I mentioned this mouse back when the Batteroo debacle was in full swing. Once it stops working, no load (standard hi-z voltage setting) measurement with a multimeter shows like .8xx volts. The only downside of this long battery life is I usually completely forget about it and then when it does die, I don;t have any spares in my bag.

author: BBBbbb
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 04:37:01 pm
content: I don’t see too much benefit of going wireless for my desktop. I have too many dead batteries piling in the “battery bucket” at home as it is, and mobility is not really an issue for me to create more waste.For the laptops I usually buy one of those low end logitech mouses (M185 I think). Battery holds usually for more than 6 months, and the mouse lifetime is around 3-4 yrs, but they don’t undergo heavy usage.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 05:10:44 pm
content: I see two or three nice Logitech Multimedia wireless mouse/keyboard combos that use the 'Unifying' receivers returned to me for E-Waste disposal every month.I test every single one and have only found one faulty mouse (leaked batteries) and two faulty keyboards (liquid damaged), reinstalling the software and pairing them again fixes a multitude of problems.Having said that, I still prefer a wired mouse and keyboard for myself.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 05:15:23 pm
content: I agree. Got a Logitech M185 mouse here. The M185 crashes at least once a day and needs the battery removed to reset it. Does my head in, but not enough to do anything about it (yet).

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 05:19:41 pm
content: Quote from: apis on June 01, 2018, 02:16:05 pmG700 is a gaming mouse, hence short battery life. But it can be charged over microUSB cable and used as wired mouse as well. Basically you should plug the cable when not using it to charge.

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 05:39:12 pm
content: Logitech K360 keyboard, M317 mouse, Unify USB dongle. Love them. Change batteries in mouse more than keyboard, but I will deal with that until the plutonium versions come along.Only thing about the keyboard that I didn't like was the flip-down plastic feet that break easily. I use it flat until the anti-gravity version is out of beta testing. Of course, from what I hear, that will need to run on some power source other than alkaline batteries.

author: dnwheeler
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 07:05:48 pm
content: I've been using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard and mouse at home and work for the last few years. The batteries last for months (the separate keypad battery lasts at least 2 years), and are ergonomic (split keyboard, "more" vertical mouse). Also, the keyboard is the "fastest" I've ever used (i.e., I type faster on this keyboard than I have on any previous keyboard).

author: TheWelly888
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 07:30:44 pm
content: A few years ago I "liberated" a Genius wireless PC mouse and keyboard set from old medical equipment that was being scrapped at work. Judging by the plastic discolouration, the set was at least 10 years old at the time.I gave the set to my Dad who was fed up of the cables attached to the mouse and keyboard and they have worked very well since then.

author: BBBbbb
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 07:50:08 pm
content: Quote from: TheWelly888 on June 01, 2018, 07:30:44 pmIt could have easily been a few months old (e.g. replaced recently) but just exposed to UV lamps, common in ORs and auxiliary facilities.

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 07:50:51 pm
content: Years back I had a wireless desktop mice. It ate 2xAA batteries every 2 weeks or so. That's 1 pack of 4 batteries per month, which costs like 2-3 euro at a discount store. Easily 25 per year to use a freaking mice.Though it was one of those LED versions, the newer mice I have used were all laser. I also had a wireless Logitech travel mice for about 3 years, but at one day suddenly stopped working and was unable to fix. The battery life was actually rocksolid on that one, I think it lasted for over a year on 1 AA battery.I've also had a few wireless keyboards. However some have really shady reception, even if you're in front of the dongle. Since then I've gone back to wired stuff. For laptop I have a decent trackpad, or I bring a wired mice with me on the seldom occasions I need it.I still use a K400 media keyboard from Logitech though because it's easy to use on the couch for HTPC. But it's really only used for like 10 clicks every evening.Batteries on that keyboard is not much of a problem.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 08:29:59 pm
content: Quote from: hans on June 01, 2018, 07:50:51 pmAnd what for rechargeable batteries are made?

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 08:32:16 pm
content: I feel wireless is more of a marketting buzzword at this point. Lot of things are wireless and have no reason to be, but when people see that something is wireless they go "ooo shiny!" and buy it.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 08:51:17 pm
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on June 01, 2018, 08:32:16 pmI wouldn't ever buy wired mouse for my own use. Wire hanging from them just suck and often obstruct movement. Wired keyboard is more bearable but then I would not be able to remove it from my desk when I need more space.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 09:44:18 pm
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on June 01, 2018, 08:32:16 pmFor the most part, I think you're right. They do have uses however. For my desktop, a wired keyboard and mouse does just fine. It has worked for me for the past 25 years. I do use a Bluetooth keyboard for my media centre however.Speaking of shitty wireless devices: I don't know what Apple were thinking when they designed theMagic Mouse 2. Not only did the "geniuses" place the charging port on the base of the mouse (so while it's charging, it cannot be used), they relocated the optical sensor from the centre to the top (leading) edge, so if you're using a mat, you essentially lose half of your vertical space and moving the mouse any further past the middle of your mouse mat causes the sensor to over-shoot the mat and stop working. But that's Apple for you.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 10:03:31 pm
content: Apple mice have always been fucking shit. And I’m being polite there. Going back right to the “oh fuck it’s a puck” mouse to today they’re all just horrid.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 10:07:31 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on June 01, 2018, 10:03:31 pm

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 10:12:53 pm
content: I do not understand the need for wireless mice and keyboards for desktop machines. What wire clutter? Please.I hate mice, can't work with them, so at work I have a Kensington Expert Mouse trackball that's gotta be 15 years old now. Wired, of course. The keyboard is a Lenovo standard wired thing, $9 at the local surplus place and way better than most new things (I hate hate hate a lot of the new keyboards that are basically laptop jobs, no feel, no key travel, and I can't hook my thumbs on the space bar). At home I have another Expert Mouse and an old MacAlly keyboard, again, real travel, real feel. Amazon had a sale awhile ago, so I bought another Expert Mouse as a spare.We have a Mac mini under the TV for streaming and DVR and gaming use, so a bluetooth keyboard and mouse makes sense. Those are the small-size Apple keyboard (no numeric keypad) and the Magic Mouse. Since they don't get the sort of use a workstation keyboard and mouse get, the batteries last a few months, and they get replaced with rechargables.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 10:14:19 pm
content: I’ve got a Logitech K750 wireless keyboard that has solar cells across the top. Sits in the loungeroom on the coffee table for when we want to use Netflix or YouTube stuff. Had it for 5 years and zero problems. Must have been lucky?

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2018, 11:55:48 pm
content: I tried a wireless mouse back in 2005 or so. It was okay but went through batteries fast. When I hooked up a computer to the living room TV, I bought a wireless combo for that. I needed to play games on that setup, so the mouse and keyboard have to work correctly all the time. It didn't work too well though, too much tendency to skip and ignore input, so I scrapped that idea.I bought a cheap laptop some years ago at Walmart and a small wireless mouse to go with it, mainly because touchpads suck. That mouse works fine, maybe because it never gets more than a foot away from the receiver and there's never any obstruction. But I never use the laptop, because I don't really travel any more.I still have all of them I think. Now that I have more rechargeable batteries than I know what to do with, maybe I'll dig them out and give them another try. I need to see if the batteries in the laptop still work anyway.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 12:13:19 am
content: Quote from: Bassman59 on June 01, 2018, 10:12:53 pm"Please"?I might suggest you do not offer disdain upon others from your narrow outlook. If all you ever use your desk space for is the keyboard and mouse, then fine.I, however, have a multi-function work space and 3 of the four most common work modes require the keyboard to be out of the way. I resisted wireless for a long time - but now I have embraced it, my transitions between work modes have become far less onerous.

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 12:58:32 am
content: My oldest Logitech wireless keyboards and mice still work but my newer sets, 660 Cordless Desktops, die after a couple years and I am on my last spare. I actually gave up on the mouse part and started using a wired G300 gaming mouse a couple years ago but now I am on the second G300 mouse also. If Logitech's quality was any good, which is debatable, it is much worse since at least 2010. You know something is wrong when third parties are selling replacement parts for your products. (1) Apple falls into this catagory as well with their chintzy chargers and dongles.I will probably keep using G300 mice as long as they are available but my next keyboards will be wired mechanical units perhaps fromRedragon.(1) Logitech has never sold a good mouse cable but at least their switches used to be good.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 06:01:55 am
content: For desktops my preference is wired keyboards and mice. Security and reliability.But for laptops, I prefer wireless mice. Logitech M185 work well enough imo. Though I've found there are some environments they just won't work, presumably due to RF interference. Hence I carry a backup wired mouse in the laptop bag.The mousepads always present on laptops, are one form of interface I flatly refuse to use except in absolute emergencies. They're an ergonomic disaster even when working properly - which they often don't.Touch screens are more workable, but I still don't like them because it's so easy to accidentally start some process you didn't intend. Plus fingerprints on the glass, and gorilla-arm syndrome.The M185 uses a single AA battery, and alkalines seem to last a very long time. If you remember to turn the mouse off when not in use.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 06:20:18 am
content: I currently use a house brand super cheapo budget wireless keyboard and mouse (Necessities brand bought from The Warehouse for those in NZ)... they are actually possibly the best pair I have used. In fact they were so good that at the time I thought they MUST have been a rebadge of some superior brand but I was never able to find any the same.Really good on batteries (but of course I always have a supply, the mouse runs flat ever maybe 2-3 months, the keyboard... I don't know, I don't recall changing them it is so infrequent), but the mouse is comfortable and even has a three-stage resolution switch, and the keyboard just feels good is full size, nicely spaced keys. I hate changing keyboards usually, of course, as a programmer, muscle memory is a bitch when the keys moved on you, but this one really just felt like my old Logitech.https://www.thewarehouse.co.nz/p/necessities-brand-wireless-keyboard-and-mouse-combo-black/R2115287.html#q=keyboard&start=1I keep meaning to go grab a couple of spare sets to stockpile in case they stop selling them.Only thing which would be good would be dedicated media keys, but I can live with a Fn-combo.I've used wireless for many years, I'd never used wired again long term, especially not mouse, too many mugs and stuff went over the edge due to cord entaglement.

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 07:14:34 am
content: Quote from: wraper on June 01, 2018, 08:29:59 pmWhy do you think the batteries lasted only 2 weeks?I don't even have enough remote controls and other gadgets around the house to put these half used batteries in! The cells still measured 1.25-1.3V when you take them out. The rechargeable batteries I had at the time were only 1.2V cells.This is what you get if you buy a wireless mice from a discount store, also. Bet there must be some conspiracy going on with their own battery sales /s

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 07:25:55 am
content: Quote from: hans on June 02, 2018, 07:14:34 amDid you measure them under the load? Non rechargable batteries unlike rechargables have much worse current supplying capability. And when they are nearly empty, voltage may drop dramatically under the load. FWIW, wireless mouses sleep when are not moved and consume much higher current when active.Not to say that Alkaline battery @ 1.3V (non loaded) remains less than 20% of it's capacity.

author: VinzC
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 08:55:13 am
content: Thanks for your input guys.Reading all your comments, I'm tempted to summarize it just as Rerouter said:Quote from: Rerouter on June 01, 2018, 01:16:03 pmIt looks to me more like a lottery to find a good working keyboard/mouse.But as was mentioned earlier about the need for wireless input on a desktop machine, there is my context, which I feel the need to mention — less to justify my choice rather than show a perfectly viable use case for going wireless. My setup is a desktop computer, which I use as a media player and all-in-one desktop/media/gaming computer (well gaming not that much lately but you get the picture). As a result the computer sits on a piece of furniture in front of my sofa. Between both space and a low table. Distance: 2 meters.There's an advantage with wireless and this kind of setup: only one wireless keyboard/mouse combo that you carry with you across the room lets you control your computer remotely (ofc best with large TV screen and large fonts...) from anywhere in the room. And the Trust keyboard had a fairly long range compared with anything else I've had.All of this kind of sucks with cables. Hence going wireless with a keyboard/mouse combo and one that takes little place is even better. Moreover my computer case only has two USB sockets on the front. As most keyboards don't come with any USB hub, wired input devices would go in pair.So the number of possibilities are very reduced. The only one wired keyboard that comes with a USB hub, which I've found in nearby shops is an Apple Aluminium keyboard. I had a USB trackball that unfortunately started to cause troubles with buttons recently (I might attempt at repairing it some day) so I resorted to using a USB mouse, connected to the keyboard.So far, in my own case, this is the only setup that's going to last, I believe.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 09:04:39 am
content: I have many Logitech Performance MX Mice is use for years and none of them have failed so far.Keyboards I only use with cable

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 09:35:04 am
content: I have a small-form-factor notebook computer (Lenovo Yoga 13) with limited USB connectivity. I use a Microsoft Bluetooth mouse with it (so I don't have to waste a USB input just for the mouse). The MS mouse intermittently just stops working for no apparent reason. Sometimes it will go for weeks without a hitch, and sometimes it will quit several times in a week.When it quits, I have to cycle the computer Bluetooth off and back on, and re-pair the mouse. I just had to do this a few minutes ago before writing this. I have a very low opinion of Bluetooth because of this.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 09:39:36 am
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on June 02, 2018, 09:35:04 amDo you use USB3.x flash or external hard drive when that happens? If cable or device is poorly built, they may introduce a ton of interference which may prevent bluetooth and wifi from working normally. In any case, I would try to update Bluetooth driver and mouse firmware.

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 09:47:43 am
content: I've rolled out ~50-80 Logitec MK520s over the last 10+ years, and have never had a kbd or mouse battery go flat in under 1-2 yrs, all used for40+ hrs a day. In the very beginning, we did have a couple? die in under a year, but I forgot what the cause was. Battery batch? Early firmware?I have low use stations that are now at 5+ yrs, I don't use rechargeables. I'd rarely (never if I could help it) use corded again.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 10:42:12 am
content: The Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard EX90 I seem to have had forever has been great....well the keyboard anyway as traditional mice now drive me nuts so I've been using a corded Trackman Wheel for years.IIRC the EX90 mouse was fairly hungry on batteries chomping through a set every few months while the keyboard seems to last forever on a set, maybe 6 months- a year.I only bought this package so I could stow it easily off the bench and TBH I mostly use it on my knees and it's been through hell, dropped and all covered in gunk but I've never had stuck keys or problems with it.I've just fished out the box it came in and the only info I could find to indicate how old it is was Logitech pamphlets with 2006 on them.Since I joined the forum in 2013 it's had nearly daily use and typed 99% of all my posts plus of course the bulk of my business use.To get the best from Logitech products you need have their bloated Setpoint software package installed and that's a pain if you've only got a slow internet connection to download it.However it does pop up a flag when batteries are getting low and it's an ample warning as mine went off a couple of weeks back and another set are parked ready and waiting for when they're really needed.I'd have no hesitation in getting another one.

author: TheWelly888
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 04:51:08 pm
content: Quote from: digsys on June 02, 2018, 09:47:43 amHow do you manage to use a keyboard for that long each day?

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 05:57:50 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on June 01, 2018, 05:19:41 pmYeah, it's a gaming mouse (lots of buttons!), but I don't think that explains why the battery life is so poor. I have had no problem with the M590 or G602, but I haven't had them for that long. The G602 has a very good battery life despite it also being a gaming mouse (it's similar to the G700 but sadly lacks a nice feature that lets you put the scroll wheel in "freewheel mode" which is fantastic).The short battery life of the G700 was the biggest complaint on their user forum. I'm ok with replacing the battery once a day even if it's a bit annoying. I use it at home and always have charged batteries around. The bigger problem was the nickel in the metal the scroll wheel was made of, that eventually made my fingers bleed. Took me a while before I realised what was causing it. The mouse I had before was from Microsoft and it had a metallic logo insert in the back of the mouse which also caused a rash.It's a real shame, the G700 is the best mouse I've ever used. Luckily I recently found a aluminium replacement scroll wheel on AliExpress so I can still use it.Logitech make decent but overpriced input devices, but sometimes you can find them at reduced price.I've also had cheap generic wireless optical mice that worked great, unfortunately gave it away (or it was stolen). Most of the cheap generic ones are not good though; noisy buttons, scroll wheel that uses a cheap mechanical encoder that fails after a few months, etc (and not enough buttons).

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 06:32:03 pm
content: Quote from: apis on June 02, 2018, 05:57:50 pmG700 has also a laser sensor and 1000Hz report rate which does not help to the battery life. It can be set to energy efficient mode and set to reduce report rate from software to somewhat extend battery life. It's an awesome mouse but yeah, battery life is annoying. I recently bought G903 which is an awesome mouse for it's performance, excellent movement tracking which is much better than G700. But ergonomics are just not right, it causes some pain in my palm if used for a prolonged time. Also one side button started to make multiple clicks after just a few weeks. So I got a replacement which is still unopened as I fixed that button while waiting for replacement (Logitech does not ask to return old one). In the end I put aside G903, replaced the feet on G700 with new and now using it. BTW I replaced switches in G700 and replacement G700 I got as well because of double click issues. So I had two G700 as well before I lost one during the trip. The strangest part is that all dicky switches were Omron and not some cheapos.QuoteThat's the only reason why I bought G903. I wanted G603 which has excellent battery life unlike G903 but it lacks this awesome feature. The only other choice is top of MX series to get this in current product. It just makes scrolling through the long webpages and documents so much easier.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 10:18:55 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on June 02, 2018, 06:32:03 pmOnce you get used to scroll that quickly and effortlessly it's hard to go back!Maybe lucky I didn't notice the G903 before in that case. The G603 I got was a demo ex or returned item, so I got it quite cheap, it was before I noticed you could buy an aluminium replacement wheel on AliExpress, they also sell replacement feet and other parts at competitive prices. (I have nickel allergy so the metal might not be a problem that affects everyone, but I've seen comments by others with the same problem). The G603 is nice, but after I replaced the scroll wheel in the G700 I've begun using that again. Actually I haven't replaced the batteries in the G603 since I got it (the two duracell AA it came with).

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2018, 11:45:53 pm
content: Quote from: TheWelly888Office staff mostly. Deduct usual breaks etc ... and often with heaps of overtime. ok, shouldn't have saidall=many :-)

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2018, 12:01:04 am
content: Quote from: digsys on June 02, 2018, 11:45:53 pmStill don't get how you can achieve:Quote from: digsys on June 02, 2018, 09:47:43 amMaybe if you are living on Venus or Mercury

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2018, 12:20:33 am
content: Quote from: wraperLOL oops :-) .. ok, we've been sprung ! I do have an office on Mercury :-)

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2018, 02:42:26 am
content: I used the Logitech RX650 wireless optical mouse for a while and never had problems with its battery life using low discharge NiMH AA cells. I stopped using it because of wireless unreliability and high latency; the G300 wired USB mouse performs so much better than any wireless mouse I have used so I am not going back. It *should* be possible to make a good wireless mouse (and keyboard) but nobody has done it.I switched to the G300 gaming mouse not for games but for the extra buttons and software macro capability in normal applications. I initially tried the G500 but did not like the thumb buttons or asymmetrical shape and the G300 has more buttons anyway.

author: TheNewLab
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2018, 03:01:45 am
content: My 10 cents. I have used the Logitech. Experience has taught me, that a wireless is simply not as reliable and responsive as being wired in. Still, there are times that you just need it wirelessI buy and use Logitech, because many years I knew the guys that started the company and bought their products direct for a software business I had. i have no idea who's is actually best. I know that i prefer to patronize who I know and who is not to bigMy father after every flight back home, would toss me a handful of Avis car rental buttons and say "Avis we try harder" back then there was really a difference in size between Avis and Hertz..I guess it stuck with me.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2018, 04:29:11 am
content: Quote from: digsys on June 03, 2018, 12:20:33 amI bet bringing staff and equipment back are a pain. Endless checks for Mercury contamination.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2018, 02:56:02 pm
content: I personally always liked Logitech mice since quite early days of mainstream PC graphical environments (Windows/286). Despite a hiatus when the first microsoft ergonomic mouse was released (which I like even today) I used a variety of models wired (but got fed up with the wires entangling), trackball (I ended up giving up after muscle pain on my thumb) and now wireless without any technical issues. I currently use two M510s on my desktops, one M505 portable and a V470 for Bluetooth systems