5Ghz Wifi Antenna? - Page 1
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author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2020, 09:33:22 am
content: HiCan someone recommend a Company who produce 5Ghz Antenna with an wide Beam width?For a quick research I found an with 17° Beam width.Thanks

author: dropkick
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2020, 08:34:53 pm
content: Indoor or outdoor?How wide is wide? What is the application? MIMO?Look at Mars Antenna. Ubiquiti or Mikrotik make some sectors (90-120 degrees). And maybe L-Com, too.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2020, 08:46:03 pm
content: QuoteQuoteThe must radiate Down 4 Floors to have Wifi in the Garden.No Mimo because I want mount 2x far away from each other.

author: dropkick
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2020, 10:33:32 pm
content: Something like a Ubiquti AM-5G17-90, 90' sector. small, and could be mounted at a downward angle if you get creative. I've used these before too for small areas but still directional coverage of 60~90 degrees:https://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-24-58ghz-10-dbi-dual-polarity-panel-antenna-n-female-connectorsOr perhaps one of the many square panel style antennas out there. At 4 stories up, anything with some amount of directionality and gain will work, but absolutely has to be pointed toward your garden else the signal will just fly over the top, off to the horizon (a vertical omni would be useless).Just be sure to correctly waterproof whatever you get if it's at a non-standard mounting angle. Some panels have drain/breathing holes and stuff.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2020, 10:49:17 pm
content: QuoteIts a typical angled Roof.I would like use the hill and the House of the other Side as a reflector. The good think is I can use 1W at that Freq. insted of the 200mw of the indoor freq.Your Antena have 2 Ports and my AP 2 to. I need to have a Antenne for the front and a for the Back Yard if possible.

author: TheUnnamedNewbie
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2020, 06:11:05 am
content: I know this is not what you are asking for, but I would instead consider getting multiple access points instead of trying to get one centralized AP to cover the entire area. A few brands make AP's that are suited to outside use. I personally use the Mikrotik wAP ac, and have 4 installed in the house/garden to cover the entire place easily and well. They can use POE so you just need to pull one cable from your patch board to the mounting point.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2020, 10:56:21 am
content: QuoteWell one cost ~500€ - 1000€ each. I need a certified one for my phones.

author: dropkick
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2020, 06:58:35 pm
content: Using the two anntena ports on a MIMO router, but with different anntenna locations covering multiple areas generally doesn't work that well.What do you mean "certified"? I'm not familar with the requirements in your area? The wAP ac does have settings for each specific country. I use that model as well.

author: ThomasDK
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2020, 08:22:15 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on April 28, 2020, 10:49:17 pmYou need 1W transmitters at both ends for that to be useful.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 11:11:18 am
content: QuoteI dont know how much Output Power the Phone have.QuoteIdont know if its a MIMO one. The have just 4 Antenna on the Site.https://www.zyxel.com/de/de/promotions/WAC6500---Smart-Antenna-Wi-Fi-Access-Point-20150129-515373.shtmlQuoteTo work with the Phone. If not the Accu get drained in 2h than 2Days.

author: TheUnnamedNewbie
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 11:13:20 am
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on May 01, 2020, 11:11:18 amThis makes little sense to me, and you really need to clarify why this would be an issue. I don't see how your AP type will influence the battery of your phone getting drained.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 01:10:08 pm
content: its simple. The the AP often send Packets the the Phone the must Wake up every ms.Now the phone maybe receive a packed very second.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 02:06:01 pm
content: That's MIMO. Bolting random antennas on it is only going to make things worse.What exactly is this 'certification' and why does your battery last only 2 hours when my phone lasts four or five days on wifi?

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 02:28:56 pm
content: again...There are power saving thinks who can be adjust to let the phone sleep the most time and not consume much energy. With a conventional Hotpot where this Option are not exist in the public you cant tweak the Hottspot to be that power efficient. Sure with "other brands" who are not certified you maybe get the same results if you have the same options but if it not work the will say: "fuck you".Now I could make a complain to fix that problem. Zyxel send me a custom FW over who 2 Settings could be change who are not changeable for the default FW and who are needed.

author: KaneTW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 03:10:50 pm
content: Sounds a lot like either a scam, snake oil, a misdiagnosed problem, or faulty configuration.Any decent AP allows you to set beacon rate.

author: TheUnnamedNewbie
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 03:12:14 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on May 01, 2020, 02:28:56 pmConsidering this is the first time I have ever heard of this problem, and the entire world seems to be able to get good battery life on their phone with wifi enabled on standard access points, I am inclined to believe this is either a phone problem, a misdiagnosis, or user error - and not some strange 'certification' issue on the WiFi AP side.

author: KaneTW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 03:14:57 pm
content: For reference, here's the settings for my UniFi APs (like EUR100 each):Both DTIM period and UAPSD are available.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 03:18:15 pm
content: Can you set the DTIM to 5 and Guard Interval to long (or what the setting is)?

author: KaneTW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 03:22:18 pm
content: DTIM to 5 is possible, guard interval is automatic.Quote from:https://dl.ubnt.com/guides/training/courses/UEWA_Training_Guide_V2.1.pdf

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 03:35:18 pm
content: Maybe if someone is in my area we can make a test with my Phones how long it run on that AP and the Zyxel one. It would be very interesting.

author: dropkick
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 07:57:07 pm
content: Running 4 MikroTik wAP ac's at home with 3 phones and 4 tablets, never had a battery problem that wasn't from an old battery or an app gone crazy. Nor with the Netgears and Ciscos before that. Nor with the newer Ciscos at my various places of work. None have any changed wi-fi parameters, all default.The recommendation for your needs would be a separate AP for each area you wish to cover. As mentioned separating MIMO antennas doesn't work. The MIMO algorithms are not setup for that and expect to the see the signal on all antennas to be able to do their math. This should not be confused with plain diversity antenna switching which is not used anymore in modern MIMO AP's.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 08:18:33 pm
content: When did you swap the Accu on the Phone the last time?I just follow the Instruction to be compliant.QuoteI guess Cisco Phones work best with Cisco APs.QuoteI dont know if the use MIMO or not.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 09:02:50 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on May 01, 2020, 02:28:56 pmLike others I have no idea what you're on about. This is a problem apparently none of us, or the other millions of people around, have. Perhaps fill us in on your phone and what 'certification' is needed.Quote from: Lord of nothing on May 01, 2020, 08:18:33 pmThe year is 2020. They use MIMO. When we say they use MIMO, you should probably listen.You are chasing the wrong problem - either your AP is junk (seems semi-likely, it is consumer gear) or your phone is junk (also likely). Messing around with putting the wrong antennas on a device is not the solution to whatever problem you're having.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 10:16:10 pm
content: QuoteMaybe you use a different Phone.QuoteI often read complains about the Phone and that the Accu drain very fast.Quotefrom AscomQuoteLook the link up. Its a Business AP.QuoteIts a Business Phone to.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 10:32:03 pm
content: And you still haven't answered either question.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 10:33:55 pm
content: I am very tierd which one do you miss?

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 10:37:57 pm
content: The specific phone and the specific 'certification' (for not upsetting their broken crap).

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 10:49:30 pm
content: QuoteAscom i62QuoteIts from Ascom together with the AP Company.The test there stuff and write a report. And later with that people can reproduce the settings.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 01:52:19 am
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on May 01, 2020, 10:49:30 pmWell, they don't seem to publish anything. Google doesn't find much of interest other than some connectivity problems with Meraki APs.Looks like a broken phone. Get a better one - something which doesn't use wifi is a good start..

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 07:02:22 am
content: QuoteYes sure ask your Sales Agent.I got the Information by sending a nice E-Mail to them.QuoteWhich?QuoteSure do you mean a Multi Cell Dect System?

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 01:36:51 pm
content: DECT works well, yes. I've had good experiences with Yealink, and they don't break the bank only to suffer from 'not certified by us' syndrome..

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 02:56:42 pm
content: How much did you pay for a Multi Cell System with all Licence who are required for?I have 4 Floors to cover with ~2 DECT Cells each floor. (At my Previous Siemens Gigaset Phone the Base dont cover the hole Apartment floor.)EDIT!https://www.yealink.com/product/voice-communication-w80Cost (currently) € 211,00 each and the "Main Station": € 235,00And for quick I could not find a Heandset with a Panic Button.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 03:33:38 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on May 02, 2020, 02:56:42 pmYou don't need any licenses. And I never said they were mine - I have no personal use for them.QuoteI hadn't looked into the serious multi-cell prices, something to do with them being designed to handle dozens to low hundreds of users across very large spaces. ie. not you. And I have no idea what you mean by 'main station' - there is but one W80. Don't confuse pre-configured roles and crappy vendor pricing with different equipment.An RT30 is about half that.QuoteOh god, whatever will you do if you can't panic?! Seriously, if you have a specific need for such featuresyou need to say soif you want to get relevant advice.GLHF. Hopeless.E: Despite being CAT-iq, not compatible with third party. Fixed that.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 03:54:34 pm
content: QuoteWell again... I have 4 Floors to cover. Each Floor is separate from each other and need there own Cell System. The Floor is coverage by a own (Wifi) Cell (in my Case for Handover).QuoteIts a DECT Repeater. So maybe if someone have the same problem the could use a Base + a Repeater. If the Roaming work with that I dont know.QuoteNope there is a "Yealink W80DM" to.QuoteSorry its normal for me to have such think on a Business Phone.I need that for me when I working in the Garden and fell and for my Grandparents when the have a problem.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 04:00:28 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on May 02, 2020, 03:54:34 pmEach floor does not need its own cell. I have previously used a single DECT base (no repeaters) across three floors with thick stone and brick walls without difficulty. Yes, repeaters roam seamlessly - that's the point.QuoteIt takes approximately 30 seconds of research to realise that's nothing but pre-flashed firmware which they openly allow you to change. The hardware is identical and switching roles isn't merely technically supported,it's a specifically advertised feature.QuoteI don't know what's normal for you. And a panic button on a business phone isn't. It's an option sometimes.. But fine, you need it - investigate other options.Trying to modify an AP is not a good solution, and spending a small fortune on APs with some particular feature (that you still haven't specified, and no I'm not making contact with a company selling broken hardware on your behalf to figure out what you're not telling me) to make their crap work is equally bad. If you really need complete coverage for phones, you need a phonesystem. This doesn't have to be that expensive, but it does need to be fit for purpose and not hacked around.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2020, 07:35:21 am
content: QuoteHere every Floor have Water Pipes as Central Heating and the Floors use concrete with Steel Support.My DECT phone dont work someone else back then.QuoteIn the German Speaking Information I found no information. And even I dont care since I never will use DECT.QuoteWell I stick with my Wifi Phone since the Work.QuoteAgain I dont drill a Hole and solder an Antenna an. The AP have 4 RP-SMA Ports 2x for a 2,4Ghzh Antenna and 2x for 5Ghz. So what did you think are the for?QuoteI hope you not mean DECT crap?

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2020, 02:14:36 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on May 05, 2020, 07:35:21 amYou have a very strange definition of 'work'. It's like a car which only runs if you refuel at that one pump 200 miles away from your house.Quote from: Lord of nothing on May 05, 2020, 07:35:21 amFor attaching the antennas the AP was designed to function with.