Can I ask a question about ... our Universe? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: dastructhm
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 am
content: As I get older and older, I keep asking myself question about our universe. Sorry.why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?where were things before the big bang? where are we going? and why are we going?the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....and most importantly, we humans' lives are very hard in this universe. What's the point/purpose of lives?

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 07:06:12 am
content: Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amYep that is the big question, that no one can provide a conclusive answer to.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 07:29:41 am
content: Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amI don't think that there's an inherit purpose to existence. That doesn't mean that you can't find one for yourself and make of it what you want, bonus points for improving the lives of others in the process.Might be interesting for you:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14&ab_channel=Kurzgesagt%E2%80%93InaNutshell

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 02:45:09 pm
content: Some star systems probably do have six planets. Twenty-five is probably unlikely, there would be collisions merging many of them. I fail to see how the number of planets has any significance worth pondering.While the universe has no purpose, your life can have purpose. Eventually you will die and cease to exist. Just as you didn't exist before the sperm and egg got together. It's up to you what you do with your life. Hopefully you learn this sooner rather than later.Sorry, there is no god. Grow up and accept reality not fairy tales.

author: Ed.Kloonk
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timestamp: September 21, 2022, 02:53:55 pm
content: Quote

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 03:02:24 pm
content: Quote from: MikeK on September 21, 2022, 02:45:09 pmWow that is stirring up a potential pot of trouble.But that is my take on things too.We come and we go, what counts is what we do in between. Why it is that we come and go, nobody knows, but evolution for me as to how it came to be is a good theory. Where the universe is going to and where it is going to end, why bother thinking about it. It is all on a very large time scale that it most likely won't happen before the human race ceases to exist.

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 03:31:40 pm
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 21, 2022, 03:02:24 pmTalking facts and reality shouldn't be a cause for trouble. Nobody has the right to expect others to validate their fantasy.I agree about the scale of things. Realizing that the universe may in fact be random* - and is definitely pointless - could be depressing, but one has to realize that we don't live out our lives on that scale. Each of us could very easily have not existed at all. So we do, in a way, have a gift...though not from some old bearded egomaniac.* I suspect that our universe (and all other universes) may not be random, that there is an evolution of universes. Seems reasonable to me that the kinetic energy from the initial forming of a black hole in one universe could be the cause of the Big Bang of an offspring universe. With some properties like the physical constants being passed through. But the fundamental root of the universe chain (or this universe if that is actually the case) would have to be random. Anything that isn't random would require an explanation. True nothingness isn't a blank, black void...since that would be a highly ordered state. True nothingness would have to some kind of random chaos. And patterns do emerge from randomness.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 03:38:18 pm
content: http://www.online-literature.com/wellshg/warworlds/1/Quote

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 03:59:55 pm
content: Quote from: MikeK on September 21, 2022, 03:31:40 pmAt the risk of reprisals, I like to think more in terms of a psychopath.You know, if it is all according to some predetermined plan, there is some real big psychopathic shit in that plan.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 04:13:40 pm
content: Take 1 tab of good acid,stick this on repeathttps://youtu.be/iNQpQzYS1qIAnd all your questions will be answered

author: jmh
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 04:25:10 pm
content: If I remember correctly there was an episode of Dr. Who where the doc stated the purpose of life is to keep meat fresh...

author: m k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 04:48:59 pm
content: Since universe seems to be expanding without a force and distances are growing from nothingness, it's possible that our measurements are actually shrinking all the time.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 05:10:15 pm
content: The purpose of life is in self-reproduction. No reproduction- no life.

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 05:17:08 pm
content: Quote from: m k on September 21, 2022, 04:48:59 pmNo. Hubble expansion happens in intergalactic space. On smaller scale there is no expansion. Our galaxy is not expanding, neither does the Earth, nor do our measuring equipment calibrated against standard.The standard itself is defined in terms light speed and time standard (1 meter is the distance light travels in 1/299,792,458th of a second), both invariant to the Hubble expansion.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 06:09:23 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 21, 2022, 05:10:15 pmThat is true, but still does not answers the question why life came to be. If it is only for reasons of reproduction why is there then death?You see, there will always be questions onto questions in this matter. No conclusive answer as to why.Bit the same as to what came first, the chicken or the egg.

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 07:02:59 pm
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 21, 2022, 06:09:23 pmScientific answer would be: because conditions allowed intelligent carbon-based life to appear and survive on Earth.If your question is why such conditions appeared on Earth, and not, let say, on Mercury, the answer would be the anthropic principle.If the question is why carbon-based life is even possible in the Universe, or why electrons and quarks exist in our Universe, or why the Universe exist - the answer is beyond science.Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 21, 2022, 06:09:23 pmBecause “everybody dies… sooner or later”:https://youtu.be/ypBkfosrdPw

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 07:25:35 pm
content: Quote from: vad on September 21, 2022, 07:02:59 pmYou are kidding, does everybody die.(Sorry could not resist)I'm no idiot and know about history, evolution theory, bits of space stuff, etc. That is also why the first response to the original poster's question was my statement "Yep that is the big question, that no one can provide a conclusive answer to."We know a lot about how life on earth came to be, and we also think we know why it did not happen on other planets in our solar system. (It is still the question if it did not happen) But with all that knowledge there is still no explanation as to why it did happen. And what the reason behind it al is, if there is any.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 08:19:35 pm
content: Are you sure this is a technical question?

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2022, 08:51:33 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 21, 2022, 05:10:15 pmI can't self-reproduce. Neither can you.No hydrogen...no life. So perhaps the purpose is to be hydrogen. Not so easy to simplify or assign a meaning afterall, eh?

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 05:26:23 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 21, 2022, 08:19:35 pmJust like lots of other threads in this section not really no. Neither is it answerable. But interesting to ponder upon

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 05:27:40 am
content: Quote from: MikeK on September 21, 2022, 08:51:33 pmNo humans can't, but there are organisms that can.

author: andy3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 05:42:58 am
content: The human mind however developed, will not be able to understand the beginning or end of the universe!

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 05:53:19 am
content: Quote from: MikeK on September 21, 2022, 03:31:40 pmThe pronoun obsessed probably have a different opinion on that.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 06:19:26 am
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 21, 2022, 03:59:55 pmSome of the major religions teach that everything is predetermined and there is nothing you can do about it. If that is actually true and there is a creator then given the course of human history he would have some serious questions to answer. Those same religions, while claiming to represent him, have been involved up to their necks in politics and wars since they began. I have read the Bible cover to cover several times and quite a bit of it flatly contradicts what these religions teach. Which is why they have in the past fought tooth and nail to stop people reading it and nowadays do their best to discredit or misrepresent it. Many people swallow the ridiculous things that these religions teach and consequently they get the idea that an "old bearded egomaniac" or "psychopath" is in control.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 06:22:54 am
content: Quote from: OutbackElectronics on September 22, 2022, 05:56:03 amI would say read the rules first before you start spreading the wordhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/As long as we keep it to some technical debate about how and why life came to be it is somewhat within the lines of allowable.Don't bring religious preaching into it.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 06:36:53 am
content: Quote from: Circlotron on September 22, 2022, 06:19:26 amNever read it cover to cover, but have seen enough of it to know about some of the contradictions. But there is no proper discussion possible about it, with someone who is a true believer. All you get is "He moves in mysterious ways"I rather talk about the universe and contemplate on how it came to be based on some tangible evidence, for as far as that is possible. All we "know" about it is based on observation and interpretation by us humans.The concept of life spawned in a primordial soup of chemicals is fascinating. Have to do some google searching to see if experiments have been done with success in creating some single cell organisms this way. Interesting on the one hand, but also very dangerous on the other. Think of some nasty pathogen to come to life this way

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 06:56:42 am
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 22, 2022, 06:36:53 amQuote

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 07:02:15 am
content: Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amBecause are solar system happens to have 8(9!) planets.If you were born on a planet in another solar system it would likely have another number.QuoteOnly if you go out there.QuoteAgain, if you happened to have been born on another planet, or heck, just another time period and/or another country, and/or another family, you may not think there is an imaginary god. Funny that.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 07:08:05 am
content: If you ask questions that seek answers, but you discount GOD, you will forever chase your tail in futile pursuits of human “wisdom”, and it can drive you to madness.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 07:33:49 am
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 22, 2022, 06:36:53 amThis “primordial soup” thing is utter fairytale level nonsense. That’s what “evolutionists” believe, and they also believe that their great great great ^ 1,000 Grandpa was a monkey… and then have the audacity and gall to say we Christians “believe a fairytale”.Okkkk

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 08:37:15 am
content: Here we go, sliding into an unsolvable never ending discussion. There is no way to prove either the existence or the non existence of a higher being that created everything.You believe what you like to believe, I stick to mine.At least for mine there is some proof based on science.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 08:52:14 am
content: Well, that didn't take long to devolve (sic) into religous arguments.I suggest that people have a look at the OP's posting record, particularly number of his OPs and the ratio of his responses to people that have replied.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=814280He hasn't come back to this thread, which some might regard as unsurprising.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 08:59:10 am
content: I see your point.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 09:12:57 am
content: Yes, clearly someone who likes to start firesAnd boy, do we love to burn

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 09:15:28 am
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 22, 2022, 09:12:57 amYeah.ordepending on my mood.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 09:27:01 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2022, 09:15:28 amWhat if I told you...Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 21, 2022, 08:19:35 pmSometimes even the engineers require a sanity check. Dealing with that can indeed be quite technical.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 09:30:30 am
content: There is a word to discuss the meaning of.What is technical?There are so many fields where it can apply and if you twist it a bit anything can be technical.

author: EPAIII
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 10:21:12 am
content: I could go down the OP's questions one by one, giving my slant. But instead I will ask a better question.Why/how does existence exist?

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 10:26:18 am
content: Quote from: EPAIII on September 22, 2022, 10:21:12 amAh the root of all questions

author: dastructhm
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 10:29:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 22, 2022, 07:02:15 amDave, would you please make more videos on fundamentals? I need more essentials on electronics.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 10:32:42 am
content: Quote from: dastructhm on September 22, 2022, 10:29:57 amOf all the videos, what info in particular are you lacking?

author: m k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 10:35:28 am
content: What are scales of basic forces?Leave nucleus and dark matter out.So EM, gravitation and dark energy.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 10:57:00 am
content: Quote from: Circlotron on September 22, 2022, 06:56:42 amFound this one:https://newatlas.com/amino-acids-primordial-soup-stack-themselves/60873/It is from 2019, and as with everything on the net the question is if it is true, but interesting nonetheless.But even when the recipe to make a rudimentary life form is discovered it still does not answer the why question. And a new question can be asked, where did the amino acids come from in the first place. Since found in meteorites they seem to be spread across the universe, which means that under the right conditions there can be life in whatever form on other planets, even nearby ones.Single cell organisms can thrive in very harsh conditions, based on findings on our own planet.But discovery of such is a difficult and time consuming process. Just look at the voyager probes. Takes years to fly out and gather information. And that is just within our own solar system.

author: dastructhm
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 11:06:23 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on September 22, 2022, 10:32:42 amFor example, I was told I'm not supposed to place my crystals by the edge of my PCB. They should be at least 1 cm away from edges. But I looked at my PCB again, only to find there ain't enough space to place my crystals far away enough from the edge. So what should I do?

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 11:23:58 am
content: Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amWhy do you think what we are perceiving consists of real things at all? All these questions you ask are just the decisions that the entity or entities that started this simulation decided to put in. The simulation only presents things to the degree that it takes to make you think you are living in a real world. You think there are lots of stars out there? It only seems that way because that's what the simulation presents to your brain. Pick a star to fly to - it will be presented to you as needed and will even look like you got to one eventually. But it never needed to be simulated as a full star unless it needed to be.Same goes for all your other questions.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 11:30:06 am
content: I was wondering when the simulationalists would step in.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 11:32:34 am
content: Then you can go into an infinite loop of who is simulating the simulation of the simulation..............

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 11:41:05 am
content: Ok, I'll give it a shot.I really don't care if you agree or disagree, it doesn't matter.Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amGravity, dust and time.We had more planets in the past, and we will have less in the future as orbits fail and planets get into orbital collisions, or the sun expands to cover them.Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amOne thing you always see in nature, or the universe, at all levels, is 'cycles'. The big bang was just one part of a cycle, of something.Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amEverywhere, but only once we learn everything we can as humans and prove we are ready.Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amThere is no other option. You only ever become better/wiser than you were. Even if it takes billions of years, everyone is on the same path to keep getting better/wiser eventually.Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amNo, nothing to be scared of. The universe is not dark at all, it's full of light, you just can't see all the light... yet.Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amMaybe god created things that create an infinite number of other things, like maybe DNA. There is no need to create everything by hand one atom at a time.With regard to the time needed... Relative to what, time is not a constant. It can be as fast or as slow as needed.Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amI don't think our lives are any tougher than we agreed to before hand.We have no memory of this, but that is as it should be. You cannot truly learn without a clean slate to build on top of. You need to be free from the burdens of past mistakes long ago, they make you stubborn and are counterproductive to learning.Quote from: dastructhm on September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 amTo learn, to teach and to help. To be better than you were.Sometimes, in order to learn fast you have to make lots of mistakes.The point of lives is to merge you with a human mind and make something new that is imperfect and will make mistakes and learn quicker.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 12:18:48 pm
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 22, 2022, 11:30:06 amI predicted that the simulation would present a "person" who would say just that.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2022, 12:25:28 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on September 22, 2022, 08:52:14 amYep, let's lock this one.