Safe box dead battery(update=solved)  - Page 1
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author: hpibmx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 12:06:28 am
content: Hi,I just came to open my safe box after about 2 weeks, and now seems to be low battery, and I guess doesn’t have enough power to unlock it.You can see digital screen as press the numbers, but at the end it’s says“secure good” ba-loThere is no way to change my battery from out side and it uses 4 double A. I’ve no idea where my master key isBrand and the model number: Sure-Loc D2535-S1Do I have hope?What can I possibly do?Thanks.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 12:45:40 am
content: Under that "Sure Loc" label there is an override.EDIT: If you don't have the key for that, then you will have to pick that lock. It is not that hard to do.Here is a recent video on this

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 12:51:56 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 09, 2021, 12:45:40 amThe few that I have seen there is two terminals somewhere on the front for 'hot-wiring' the lock with a 9v battery. I can't see them in your pic tho..

author: Whales
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 02:09:32 am
content: Probably not the point of your image, but alas: Dry sawing pavers! No mask! No earmuffs

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 02:24:16 am
content: Quote from: Whales on January 09, 2021, 02:09:32 amIt is a stick photo. Similar to that woman holding the soldering iron wrong.

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 02:51:18 am
content: I am not sure if it these are exaggerated or real - look at youtube, you will find a few "unlock/open your safe with magnet."What they show is to use a strong external magnet to do what the safe's internal solenoid normally does with electricity - the external magnet just magnetically pull the solenoid tongue to the unlock position. It works without code or electricity. They guy makes it look very easy.Again, not sure if they are exaggerated or real at all. But buying a magnet probably would be cheaper than calling a lock-smith.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 02:57:38 am
content: You might try putting it in a very warm place--as hot as you think is safeand let it sit for 24 hours. That may boost the batteries just enough to get it open one time.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 03:34:53 am
content: Quote from: Rick Law on January 09, 2021, 02:51:18 amWhile many videos are clickbait, on YouTube Lock picking lawyer, Bosnian Bill and a few others have demonstrated opening electronic safes and other electronic locks with magnets, they've demonstrated plenty of other flaws and ease of picking for the backup key.The locks on them aren't usually that hard to pick (I've picked the mechanical lock on the electronic safe in my office with a pair of bent paperclips just to prove to myself I could do it)

author: ConKbot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2021, 11:54:53 pm
content: Pop the label screws, see what the mechanical lock is. if its a tube lock, or wafer lock, it should be relatively easy to bypass with a low-skill attack. (impression tool for tube lock, jam just about anything that fits and wiggle for a jiggler attack on the wafer) A pin-tumbler may be slightly harder in terms of technique needed but a cheap safe should still only need a raking attack to get in. But none of these would need the skill or nuance needed to single-point pick each type of lock. Plenty of BosnianBill or LockPickingLawyer videos demonstrating various methods.Good luck getting in.

author: S. Petrukhin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2021, 12:48:38 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 09, 2021, 12:45:40 amI hope at least the hotel maids haven't seen this video...

author: AlfBaz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2021, 01:11:43 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 09, 2021, 02:24:16 amI recently bought that exact same grinder. My missus took a photo of me using it and the cleavage I show is of my bum crack certainly less appealing than that stock photo

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2021, 12:31:17 pm
content: Quote from: S. Petrukhin on January 10, 2021, 12:48:38 amIf they were dishonest enough to steal from guests they could probably work out a way to persuade the hotel duty manager to lend them the master key or work out a way to get the master code

author: hpibmx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2021, 12:34:58 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 09, 2021, 12:45:40 amTruly sorry for not updating this posttotally forgot it about it.I did manage to open it again but just plugging usb cable both end (made) from my power bank to the button of the lock it’s self and I mange to power it up and put my password. I did this about 3 month ago.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2021, 12:41:44 am
content: Quote from: Whales on January 09, 2021, 02:09:32 amOh, yeah. Right. No, no, I wastotallylooking at it her cutting technique and wasn't distracted by, er, by, er, her safety glasses. Yeah, that's right, hersafety glasses.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2021, 01:02:06 am
content: Concrete dust and loud spinning blades are a bit unromantic, don't you think? Though in her case it's probablyhttps://9gag.com/cosplay.Why didn't you get a REAL safe? Second hand ones are not too expensive.Here's a roomful of 2nd hand safes at Axcess Locksmiths, Blacktown Sydney.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2021, 01:43:41 pm
content: QuoteMuch more hassle when one inevitably forgets the combination or loses the key. Kind of like ransomware without the ransom part.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2021, 02:56:32 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on November 13, 2021, 01:43:41 pm'Real' safes are fricking heavy and even with the right people and equipment are absolute bastards to move anywhere. Over the years I've had offers to acquire "no longer required" safes for free, if I was prepared to take them away. Every time the logistics have made it impossible or impracticable.One of those offers was from no less than a government laboratory. The offer came with the caveat "We've lost the combination". Combined with the hassle of getting it off a third floor in an old central London building without a loading dock I passed on the offer. A few weeks later the person who offered it to me told me "We found the combination to that safe eventually. Lucky we did, it had several reels of platinum wire in it.". Damn, and double damn. Had I taken it (with all the hassle) it would have come, as you might expect, with official paperwork to say that it was mineincluding the contentspurchased for a peppercorn £1 "payment of which is hereby acknowledged".

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2021, 09:56:31 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on November 13, 2021, 01:43:41 pmThat's just making up an excuse to reject an idea. 'Backups' - you know you can make copies of keys, and write combinations down, right? If you lose access to a safe because you lost or forgot something, how did you ever manage to own anything worth keeping in the safe?Quote from: Cerebus on November 13, 2021, 02:56:32 pmWell you weren't being resourceful enough. Pic.QuoteA fine demonstration that you should have tried. A good locksmith could probably have determined the combination.Short story: Years ago I helped some friends clear out a business, one of many in an old multi-storey building in central Sydney, where the property owner had given all tenants short notice to leave, because the building was to be redeveloped. During this I had a look around in the rest of the building, all of which was in final stage of everybody gone. In one obscure upstairs area, I came across two guys who had three very large safes on their backs on the floor. Obviously removed from various now vacated tennant spaces. They were using a big magnet-base holesaw drill to open them. One down two to go. They didn't seem comfortable to be discovered, so I left. Carry on...

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2021, 10:18:49 pm
content: QuoteActually, it was a poor attempt at some humour.QuoteIf you own something worth keeping in a safe and it isn't actually in a safe, is it not worth anything? Strange logicBut since you ask, been in that kind of situation more than once. Typically when the backup whatever hasn't been needed for years because the normal key or whatever has never been mislaid. Until it has. I've left the house key indoors when going out because something has distracted me or they're in the other jacket or just plain fallen out of my pocket. I'm pretty sure the house contents were worth being in the house. Well, most of it. The test tools, anyway.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2021, 11:47:48 pm
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on November 13, 2021, 09:56:31 pmYou try being "resourceful" in a Government Laboratory with an entire department full of Health and Safety Officers. Method statements, test certificates for lifting and moving equipment, yadda, yadda, yadda. Not even the sort of place that you can do things on the quiet at the weekend when they wouldn't be around to bother you.Imagine trying to move a safe out of a government building (one with a official, secret cannabis farm on the roof), next to a major railway station, "quietly" on a weekend. One suspects that an awkward conversation with Lilly Law would ensue. (Although this was back in the 80s, the IRA was still a thing as the "Alert State" boards reminded you every time you went in the building - so I suspect that Lilly Law's response wouldn't be the gentlest encounter one might have with the Metropolitan Police. Three dodgy looking geezers* with a big van at the back of a government building on the weekend that no one official knows about might not be the best people to be.)* I and all my friends at the time fit that description. I'm so dodgy looking that the Metropolitan Police have mistaken me for one of their own, more than once.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2021, 08:07:53 am
content: It's a matter of right tool for the job.

author: wkb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2021, 08:33:31 am
content: APFSDS round will fix that safe once and for all

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2021, 01:06:09 pm
content: Quote from: wkb on November 14, 2021, 08:33:31 amWith one of those cheap push button safes, it would probably go straight though from one side and out of the other without even noticing, let alone detonating.

author: wkb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2021, 01:16:41 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on November 14, 2021, 01:06:09 pmWould not detonate anyway: tungsten rod, kinetic energy weapon.

author: DTJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 15, 2021, 04:26:04 am
content: I have a similar safe.As odd as it sounds it may be possible to unlock it by bouncing it sideways on a bed mattress. There seems to be nothing to hold the locking bar in the locked position.Mine takes a few bounces and then it opens.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 15, 2021, 06:30:50 pm
content: Seeing this BBC news report today on the jailing of the gang responsible for celebrity burglaries in the UK...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59253057, the photo appears to show that the safe levered open by a simple garden spade(?). Certainly the frame doesn't seem to display many signs of scratched paint. Can a safe with so many impressive looking bolts really be that simple?Maybe they are just for marketing purposes!

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 15, 2021, 09:17:38 pm
content: Doesn't look right to me. The door would sit flush in the frame, so I can't see how they could wedge a spade in there and get any leverage. Also, the bolts along the vertical look fine (at least, not as mangled as the ones we can see properly).The presence of the spade doesn't mean they used it to break into the safe. Maybe it was used the jemmy the wardrobe in which the safe was hidden, or they took it along just in case.Edit: I'm convinced it wasn't the spade. There are no marks on it and the blade still have a curve with turned up edges. No way would that go between door and frame,andget under to provide leverage.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 15, 2021, 09:52:12 pm
content: Well itisopen, there doesn't appear to be any significant damage to, or tearing of, the door frame, the photo is from the Met Police, and it's from a scene of crime.It may not look right, but it does look like it was levered rather than drilled - maybe they bent the hinges first. Either way, I can't see the insurance company being happy with its performance.I'm surprised by how short those bolts are (from the angle they are sitting at) - my engineering mind would expect at least 75% of the length to be still in the door when locked for decent support. Those look like there's hardly anything.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2021, 12:34:33 am
content: Yes, indeed, but what's that metal thing in the rag? That looks more interesting than the spade, IMO. Not that I've broken into a safe, or used a spade for other than digging. Maybe a little hacking. And, er, spanking. But that's it.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2021, 09:48:24 am
content: The way the metal is buckled around the bolts and the door, that safe is a piece of crap, garbage welded sheet metal designed to give the impression of security rather than actual security.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2021, 11:29:07 am
content: Quote from: CJay on November 16, 2021, 09:48:24 am... Which is crazy when you consider the wealth of the victims and the size of the haul (see the original news article) - £26M in jewellery and watches from three burglaries in London's Kensington and Chelsea areas. One actually had security guards on site... although onehadgone off to buy vegetables!It really makes you wonder how the insurance companies could permit the use of such crappy safes - unless they too get fooled by fake 'CAT' ratings (picking a phrase from dodgy DMM ratings).

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2021, 11:33:49 am
content: I've watched a few videos from thehttps://www.youtube.com/c/lockpickinglawyerSomehow it has a comedic effect on me when he opens a lock in 2 seconds. Or when he opens a gun lock with a LEGO astronaut.This safe probably has a key backup, that can be opened with a twig or a fork or some other everyday object, it is for sure not safe, only designed to keep out honest people.