Capacitor ESR question?? - Page 1
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author: wadmancpu
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2019, 08:06:43 pm
content: Is the ESR reading of a capacitor only relevant to electrolytic capacitors or does it apply to all types? Thanks!

author: Rigolon
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2019, 08:58:34 pm
content: Short awnser: Applies to all.From my (short) experience Electrolytic Capacitors are usually used on power related circuit or as bypass circuit, where ESR are often more critical to the project.QuoteI have this quote on my notes, not really remember the link, but I was searching audio related materials.And audio usually uses other types of capacitors.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2019, 09:00:52 pm
content: yes there is an esr (equivalent serie resistor) in every capacitor.but the esr is more important in electrolytic capacitors, and a bas esr in these can lead to a device malfunction.so you may have eared that only electrolytics have an esr problem.

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 12:50:33 am
content: Capacitors also have inductance - ESL which along with ESR and capacitance forms a rather complex device. Each circuit application has different needs / tolerances for ESR and ESL in capacitors and each type of capacitor has some resistance and some inductance.When I started designing high performance DC/DC converters - I was punched in the gut a few times learning just how much the subtleties of capacitors impacts the end result of the circuit. The long game lesson is that every component is a capacitor, resistor, and inductor at some level.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 07:09:55 am
content: All, yes.Keep in mind it is anequivalent, not necessarily a real resistance that can be pinned on any particular aspect of the component.For example, an ideal capacitor inparallelwith a resistor, will measure some (finite nonzero) ESR, at some frequency. (In fact there is even a formula for this conversion.) Even though there is literally no resistor in series with the capacitor.Clearly, when we say "ESR", we're not saying "this explains how the component works/is" -- we're saying "this component looks like this [at some frequency]". That last bit is often implied, but crucial: an equivalent is only true at one frequency.In an electrolytic capacitor, its electrolyte is an obvious aspect, that has significant resistance, and which appears in series with the component. We might expect that "ESR" measures this resistance. In fact, at the capacitor's minimum frequency point (typically somewhere in the 10kHz-1MHz range, depending on value), the resistance is indeed mostly due to the electrolyte. But if we measure at a low frequency, the ESR is higher -- so it seems this does not capture the full picture.So there are different kinds of equivalents.Suppose we have an AC impedance meter, measuring at some frequency. It measures some amount of resistance, and some amount of reactance. We can express it as a series or parallel equivalent, just as well (thanks to the conversion formula). The meter has no way to know whether it should express its result one way or another: which way is more representative of the circuit, or more useful to the operator.So, often, such meters have selectable outputs, so you can get the readout in terms of resistance, in series or parallel with, capacitance or inductance. (Indeed, if you select the wrong one, you might get a negative inductance, say -- and rightfully so, as a capacitor can be seen as a negative inductanceat a given frequency!)A more advanced kind of equivalent, is the equivalent circuit. As it happens, for most capacitors, the C + ESR + ESL circuit gives modest accuracy (say within 10%), over a practical frequency range (say kHz to MHz). We can accomplish a lot of real work, just using this simple model! It's still not a complete picture of a capacitor, but it gets us a lot closer, and it seems to be "more correct" than our alternatives.Tim