“If Linux took over the world” 😁 - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2023, 11:32:57 pm
content: Wow.“19 things Linux users, never say” (you don’t need to get irrational or annoyed, Linux isn’t your Mum, and this is just some (very accurate) fun 🙂

author: John B
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 12:05:22 am
content: I feel so special now that I get all the inside jokes.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 12:32:50 am
content: Quote from: eti on April 18, 2023, 11:32:57 pmFor some reason I've always thought you might look somewhat like the chap on that YT opening screenshot.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 12:49:31 am
content: Was that funny though?(The idea that it could be funny is itself funny.)Anyhow, just wait until MS buys Canonical (yes, I already hinted that once.)Then the real fun will begin!

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 01:03:22 am
content: Quote from: xrunner on April 19, 2023, 12:32:50 amThere are approx 8 billion humans alive; I look like one of them, but you'll never "guess" which one!

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 01:10:22 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 19, 2023, 12:49:31 amA problem with Linux is the "community", and the overwhelming lack of coherency and uniformity. Another HUGE problem, most nerds seem to miss (likely due to absent social skills) is the "why" of why macOS and Windows succeed - they do not have a pity party and rant, and behave like "the underdog" - they have a vision (well, Apple do), and they SELL their products unashamedly, instead of cowering in a corner - "Please, why don't you want to try ME?" like the insecure bloke at a school disco, EXUDING desperation and insecurity.Make a BETTER product, IGNORE everyone else and what they are "doing", and KEEP IN LANE - focus - IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE the others, and refine YOUR strengths. Apple seemed to manage it (and HOW!), don't be pathetic and "downtrodden" - the hardware companies don't "owe" anything to Linux vendors - hardware is LITERALLY MADE FOR WINDOWS AND MACOS, BECAUSE THEY SELL MOST, because a uniform, PAID FOR, supported product = ££££ and simple, predictable products for NORMAL USERS.I was once that VERY arrogant, annoying Linux "advocate" who reminded everyone of the "virtues" of "freedom". What a CROCK. Life is short - a tool works well, it sells well and is recommended, END OF.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 01:50:49 am
content: I don't particularly care about any kind of "tech community". But the thing you seem to be missing here is the following.Linux is not a "product", and it doesn't want to take over the world. (Although, for such a bad approach, Linux - which in case you missed it, is just the kernel - is absolutely everywhere these days, from servers to mobile phones. So much for a huge problem. Even MS hasn't managed to do this despite their desperate attempts.)Linux is not an OS. There are thousands of distributions which aggregate thousands of packages around the Linux kernel to provide something that looks like a traditional OS, but the model is completely different. And while it's not as polished in some areas as any commercial OS, it's more in others.Why should it take over the world? Why the heck would you like it to be just like Windows or macOS?If you like what MS and Apple do, just buy their products and leave the open source stuff alone. I don't get it.Who cares about it not being for "normal users", whatever that means. Normal users do use Linux all the time with Android, in case you didn't notice. Android is an example of something polished around the Linux kernel. But it's completely controlled by Google.If you want a desktop OS around the Linux kernel in the same vein, you'll get the same thing. Something only an organization such as MS or Google would come up with.No kidding that most people actually involved in anything around Linux don't want that, ever.Meanwhile, Linux - again it's the kernel - is running on more devices these days than Windows ever has.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 02:26:13 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 19, 2023, 01:50:49 amYes. I know. I know Richard Stallman, I know GNU’s not Unix”, I know about “free as in libre” and the distinction between “free software” and “open source”.I’m aware that “GNU” is a suite of applications into which Linux kernel was slotted, and that RMS’ “Hurd” Mach kernel didn’t gain traction.I’m HYPER aware- I was aware back in 2002 when I was overdosing on ISO burning to DVD 📀 (still got a huge folder of discs!) - I must’ve watched 300 hours of Richard Stallman fiddling with his beard as he passionately rejected the “binary blob” and extolled the virtues of his “four freedoms”I’m aware of Linus, and his many exploits. I’ve done gargantuan scale research on all of this, so am HYPER HYPER aware, to the point of saturation and now disinterest, lol.I’m aware BSD forked into Darwin and macOS. I’m aware that BSD hails from the term “Berkeley Standard Distribution”I’m not bragging I’m being honest. I know, and I’m merely saying that “GNU/Linux”, to be pedantic and factual, needs to pull its socks up and get their act together if they’re to make ONE, successful and commercial, consumer platform (not that they want to, I mean IF they do.)Thanks for your time. I’ll email my CV shortly 😁I apologise if that sounded defensive. Had a shitty evening tonight with personal issues and was feeling stressed. But I thought I’d attempt to explain my level of experience, just because 🤣

author: John B
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 02:26:35 am
content: MS and Apple have ginormous marketing budgets. I don't think anyone hasn't heard of either company and their products, while I have come across reasonably tech savvy people who haven't heard of Linux.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 02:30:50 am
content: Quote from: John B on April 19, 2023, 02:26:35 amI’m always somewhat amused, maybe a little sad, as to how many “really clever” people seem to be restricted to LASER tight areas of knowledge, outside which their knowledge or awareness seems to drop off rapidly.It’s too easy (and could be arrogant ) to think “How can you not know that? It’s basic knowledge!”- I’m guilty of this but never SAY it - I’m pretty self-aware, I’m hoping. Apparently I’m a polymath; a few people who know what one is, tell me they think it. I am a clever bloke but I’m not cleverer or better than anyone else, I’m just a human.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 02:45:08 am
content: Quote from: John B on April 19, 2023, 02:26:35 amSuccess isn’t JUST technical achievement. The reason Apple is successful is a vast subject, a few facets of which are that each team member of a certain team, knows their place and isn’t allowed to venture outside it.Apple have THE BEST:~ Industrial designers~ Psychologists~ Engineers (hardware and silicon)~ A marketing team to dream of. They have a HUGE team who work SOLEY on cardboard boxes and what paper sheens work best, the mechanics of how the card folds, etc.~ A laser focus on themselves as they KNOW their products are the only Apples, and the absolute best; there’s no peers, it’s all Apple. Android and Windows are a very a poor facsimile of the two, regardless of being “good enough”~ Talking of “good enough”, that’s never ever a thing at Apple. It’s perfection (as close as humans can get) or nothing. They don’t “compromise” for cheap sales etc. if you like them you buy it, and if not, never mind ¯\_(ツ)_/¯They don’t compromise on user data security. Never. Ever.You don’t need to agree or disagree. It’s not needed. Apple (and I, and many of the customers that made them a multi TRILLION dollar company) means it speaks for itself. I don’t need to “convince” people when the fruits of their harvest are literally everywhere.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 02:55:03 am
content: Nearly forgot. Apple have just opened their first Indian store. This is the start of a huge plan. This is brilliant. Good for them. Expect the envy and “outrage” to increase, by the lesser brands. 🤣

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 03:01:34 am
content: This basically sums up the insecurity and boiling “outrage” and envy of Android “communities”; summed up in a tiny little ironic, childish tantrum nutshell:Remember, that’s the mindset baggage that’s dragged along when you purchasemediocre phones.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 03:16:57 am
content: Quote from: xrunner on April 19, 2023, 12:32:50 am

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 05:16:16 am
content: Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 01:03:22 amHow come you don't have a y/t channel all of your own?

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 06:13:17 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 19, 2023, 05:16:16 amWho, me? I do. I don't promote it, it's for people who "happen upon it" - I am not an attention-seeker, I like it to be discovered. It makes no money, it's an archive of what I do. I don't want it for money.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 06:29:09 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 19, 2023, 12:49:31 amTwo chaotic, very lost and messy companies merging? Yeah,that'llwork well /S

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 08:03:59 pm
content: Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 06:13:17 am

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 08:37:12 pm
content: Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 03:01:34 amI shudder to think what horror must have happened to you after your purchase if it resulted in your mindset of several posts per month when you go on low effort troll journeys to shit upon everyone else or just complain about whatever thing tickled you wrong that day, all with an attitude of smug superiority, looking down upon us, the poor silly fools.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 08:51:34 pm
content: Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 02:45:08 amOf course not. But again it's 100% normal that you can't get the amount of polishing and consistency in an open-source project maintained by thousands of people around the world, than what you get with a company that needs to sell stuff.And as I pointed out, the strength of Linux and its whole point isn't anything related to UI stuff. So you can't focus on UI and blame an alleged "community".But conversely, when some open-source, Linux-related desktop environements try that commercial, consistent approach - like Gnome - you end up with something relatively consistent and usable, but with very little configurability and that many people just hate.The day some Linux distribution with some polished DE "takes over" the desktop market, it will probably not be good news for anyone currently using a Linux distribution. It will be the day some tech giant is in the driver's seat, and it won't be good news.MS buying Canonical is actually more plausible than it looks, and the effects is likely to be disastrous for Linux in general.Of course, worse yet would be the day when MS or Google takes the lead of the Linux foundation - which could well happen when Linus decides to retire, or passes away.Oh well. Then a mass of people will flock to "Linux" and the rest will retreat to FreeBSD.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 09:32:00 pm
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 19, 2023, 05:16:16 amQuote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 06:13:17 amOh gosh I gotta find it. There must be a way ... some of the smartest people I've encountered are on this forum they must have some ideas. Maybe your grammar or some key words you use all the time. There must be a way ... oh maybe I'll ask ChatGPT to examine your writing.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 11:49:41 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on April 19, 2023, 08:37:12 pmOh do hush.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2023, 11:53:39 pm
content: Quote from: xrunner on April 19, 2023, 09:32:00 pmAll the best finding it. It’s not a big secret, but I don’t “promote” myself and I’m a private person. If you find it, you’re not gonna know you did, so this is a moot point. It’s an archive - in a society of attention whores and desperate attempts to get “validated” by strangers, I let people do what they like, it’s just I don’t crow about my channel; who finds it, finds it.In any outcome, whether you’re being facetious or not 🙃🙂😉😉 it has no bearing on anything whatsoever. ChatGPT won’t help you. But try, go on! 🙂

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 12:04:42 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 19, 2023, 08:51:34 pmThat ship sailed decades ago. It’s macOS. “Open source” is the preserve of activists and pedantic nerds. Actual, NORMAL PEOPLE want a tool they get out that does as advertised. Simple. You pay, you get. Easy. Life’s too short for bollocks like this - “politics” about bits of binary code. They make, they sell, they please their VAST user base to an exceptional level, you can do the research yourself.Apple don’t see it as a “competition”, I feel - they have utmost, complete unshakable confidence in their platforms, and deservedly so. They built first and slowly iterate and refine. They LEARN from their mistakes, they don’t habitually RUSH garbage out of the door and crow about it in advance (a sign of insecurity, boasting). Of course they make mistakes, but they don’t boast and don’t FORCE bullshit like Microsoft and Google, etc. Microsoft are SO far off course, they don’t even remember where they left the highway, and Google’s arrogance and childish, clumsy designs and lack of focus, make them a laughing stock.Almost everyone else desperately copies Apple; this is nothing new - whilst simultaneously, transparently clumsily pretending “we’re not”. Yup, they are.The percentage of the population who know, let alone CARE A HOOT about “free software” or whether something is “liberated”, let alone whether it’s Linux or BSD or NT kernel or whatever, is about a trillionth of a percent. Less than the rounding error on the annual accounts of a mosquito.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 12:38:42 am
content: Related. Sort of speaks to what I meant:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9712059

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 12:43:51 am
content: Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 02:45:08 amAnd yet here you are, desperately trying to do so. And failing, because you simply come across as a mindless zealot with nothing better to do than convince himself he's right.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 01:15:51 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on April 20, 2023, 12:43:51 amDecades of personal experience in trying out countless OS’ and platforms all that promise the moon and deliver the garden hedge, and (literally) thousands of hours of listening to gushing zealots on both sides, and then settling on some level-headed 40-50 year old industry experts (TWiT.tv) who don’t continually spout knee-jerk guff, but whom have consistently adhered to their views in all the years I’ve listened to them (I don’t agree with all, I’m no idiot, but my bullshit detector had yet to go off in 9 years of podcasts)~ Leo Laporte~ Adam Engst~ Alex Lindsay~ And Ihnatko~ Rene Ritchie^ Google them. They know a lot more than ALL OF US, being seasoned and industry renowned and respected.… a whole slew more, many respected Apple & other tech journalists of MANY DECADES experience. Add that to my personal experience with Linux, windows, macOS, whatever, and their views just ADD UP, they don’t sit on YouTube spouting excited bollocks about the latest tech fad wave.Why do I care what anyone uses? But I’m doing this thing called EXPRESSING MYSELF - it’s kinda what humans do - and I have firm views (which fluctuate sometimes - I’m not a stick in the mud)I don’t concern myself with what you use or like or what colour socks you wear, but sure as the sun will rise, macOS and iOS are the pinnacle of doing platforms RIGHT, hence all the “debate” they stir up. People can’t STAND to see the success and rise of a platform or product which they feel threatened by, so will throw any old pathetic nonsense around to attempt to “convince” others it’s “rubbish”.Linux ain’t “rubbish”, but my point is that has HUGELY lost its way (if it ever even had one) - okay it’s used - a lot - but it’s not the same success as windows and macOS, because it’s the pathetic, simpering “underdog” mentality of the autistic zealot assholes that keep it there.Also, Steve Gibson of GRC, someone I consider a personal friend, uses iPhone for its fluidity and refined sense of security and honouring the privacy rights of the owner. Ain’t no one nowhere more clued up and respected , by those what know, in security and honesty than Steve.If you don’t know any of these people, I can highly recommend them as a source of great wisdom and balance.PS: I’m not into “convincing”, but on this occasion then yes, I’m most certainly right. You can disagree without being rude or acting like a baby - try it.I’d take a walk across the internet and learn about a subject before belittling people who actually DO have experience. Yeah sure, I’m sure you have experience too, but only a fragile ego needs to one-up and belittle.I passionate and forceful in my views, admittedly, but then so are 97% of the others on here - and there are some EXTREMELY insecure, nasty, self-important chumpstick goons on here. I hope I’m quite pleasant - but I don’t suffer from an inferiority complex, but also know I’m prone to being wrong too - don’t worry - we all are.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 01:31:45 am
content: Quote from: eti on April 20, 2023, 01:15:51 amAll you ever express is your disdain for other peoples opinions, choices, and tastes, and your lack of understanding of the motivations and goals of others.Quote from: eti on April 20, 2023, 01:15:51 amBut you already told us we can't disagree. You already told us our opinions and experiences are entirely irrelevant. You want rude? Look in a mirror.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 01:34:35 am
content: Quote from: John B on April 19, 2023, 12:05:22 amYou’re easily pleased 😄

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 01:47:25 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on April 20, 2023, 01:31:45 amOk.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 01:54:18 am
content: QuoteAs does all the software running on this linux machine,no tinkering under the hood,no blue screens of death due to a missing dll or other nonsense ,and all the motherboard hardware works without having to load a cd full of driversQuote

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 02:07:55 am
content: Quote from: themadhippy on April 20, 2023, 01:54:18 amCD? 💿 🤨1997 is at the door, asking for you.Yeah? In my REAL WORLD, normal (relatively 😁) life, in the 21 years I’ve used Linux, not on one SOLITARY occasion has anyone ever asked me “What Linux <insert thing> do I need/would you recommend?”Nope de nope de nope. Never. Those who I’ve asked “have you heard of Linux?” may as well have been asked if they’ve heard of a rock band of mice, who live on the moon in a tent.Yeah it works very well. Granted. I agree. But it’s NEVER EVER going to be a competitor to shrink-wrapped, pre-deployed OS. You think no one has tried? It fails because that market was dominated DECADES ago, and no one uses it except fringe cases like you and I. One has to SEE that one’s a fringe case, and not live in a land of delusion. It’s fine - it’s not a matter of “wrong” it’s a matter of the Linux beardos being too engrossed in their own bedroom “universes” to understand commerce and REAL ACTUAL NORMAL PEOPLE; folk who wake up, use their Mac to check email and edit whatever, shut the lid, grab a coffee whilst texting ON THEIR iPhone, then come home after work and do it all again.People want ZERO FRICTION from a known quantity that’s good a solid reputation and which word of mouth has firmly establishedLinux AINT THAT.

author: Simon
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timestamp: April 20, 2023, 07:05:48 pm
content: Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 01:10:22 amThe problem is with all the PC distro's, linux itself is indeed in all those things that do not require a PC desktop environment. Android and whatever apple run are as close as successful linux get.

author: Simon
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timestamp: April 20, 2023, 07:06:41 pm
content: Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 02:55:03 am

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2023, 08:37:19 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on April 20, 2023, 07:05:48 pmPlease articulate that a bit more clearly, thanks Simon.

author: mendip_discovery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2023, 11:14:31 am
content: If it took over the world I suspect most things would remain the same.The core would function as expected and reasonably efficient. People of various distros would argue and go to war over silly things. As you move further away from the core code you will start getting into things that work randomly because of poor quality coding and the various format issues. People with the knowledge and skills to make it linux work, those people of course will make plenty of money and do well in society while those that don't will have to live on the lower rungs of society.

author: Karel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2023, 12:09:01 pm
content: "What do you anticipate Microsoft will do next?"Microsoft will switch to Linux and keep selling their software on top of Linux. And it will cost the Windows users as much as before.At the same time will the Linux community get face-stomped by hordes of Windows users, all trying to learn everything there is tolearn about Linux and in record-breaking time.Some long-time Linux supporters will switch to Microsoft in a heart beat like cold-hearted back-stabbers, while others diethe slow death of the White Knight in the most epic drama the Linux community has ever seen, before the Linux community itselfdisappears and we will all have turned into "the new Windows user".Once it's all done and over, and Microsoft has taken over Linux with its hordes of Windows users, will you either be thenew slave of the Microsoft empire or you will have found refuge under a tiny bridge, just next to the one where all theFreeBSD trolls live, and where you'll then be telling tales of Linux's past.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2023, 12:23:45 pm
content: Quote from: eti on April 19, 2023, 02:45:08 amThey tried to get ahead of government mandates with as of yet unnecessary CSAM scanning and had to walk back.You could argue they did it because they saw it coming, but they did compromise ahead of time.PS. I'll never understand how an engineer can cheer on Apple. Apple got where it is because of the openness of PC and hardware market in general. So they are the first to find how to create a successful consumer electronic ecosystem out of it, build on hardware/store sales rather than advertising, great for them. Consumer electronic ecosystem is a new natural monopoly though. They are still sharp because there is still some dying competition running on momentum keeping them sharp. Apple is the death of consumer electronic engineering, once Apple is the only game in town why even make a startup to get bought by Apple? At that point they've got you over a barrel, just as all their customers. With their competition, progress dies.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2023, 12:42:05 am
content: Quote from: swifter on April 23, 2023, 12:29:19 amIf you're just going to ignore me, I'm just going to repeat myself.They tried to get ahead of government mandates with as of yet unnecessary CSAM scanning and had to walk back.You could argue they did it because they saw it coming, but they did compromise ahead of time.QuoteIf you understood why I said they are the death of consumer electronic engineering, you could have left out all that straw manning.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2023, 02:05:04 am
content: Please don't engage the banned guy. You'll only encourage him.