UK government to JAIL and fine people over energy usage - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 08:48:44 pm
content: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/01/property-owners-failing-comply-new-energy-rules-face-prison/QuoteAbsolutely disgusting and makes me feel sick and it's not often I feel sick with the prospect of my life as I know it taken away from me with all my belongings that I have collected over the years and going to jail.Shocked this is even been not just put forward but even spoken about.If they jail and dispose of someone's personal things because they don't meet the goalposts they set, no reason why the same can't happen to those pushing for it.Also this is why I am skeptical about "smart" meters that could tell them everything and make it possible to fine people who use energy at certain times like peak times.When I moved away from South East London about 4 years ago just before the covid lock down, it wasn't so much the traffic (which did increase) and the noise but the airplanes in the day, 3 to 5 a minute whizzing around in the sky in circles flying low because there were no where for them to land and had to wait until they the runways became free. On my chairs and tables there was this black suit substance covering it that I have never seen before and I read other people complaining at the time and told to complain to their MP.Maybe they should go after the airports/operators too who whizz around the place in circles and pollute the cities even more and also the police helicopters that were flying excessively around the area all night long till the early houses of the morning.What do you think?

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 09:06:51 pm
content: keep up ole boy,that article is nearly a month old , soonsacked has already announced he plans to water the bill down.Of course if it was to pass intact he'd have to explain the heating of his private swimming pool that required an upgrade to his local electrical grid

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 09:10:21 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on September 24, 2023, 08:48:44 pmUK is turning into a woke postmodernist neomarxist hellhole, just like Canada did.Just look up how many people they jailed for social media posts.Time to get out or get the torches and pitchfork.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 09:23:59 pm
content: It is coming everywhere.Next will be eating meat.

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 09:26:33 pm
content: Please explain the electronics relevance here.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 09:45:25 pm
content: Quote from: Benta on September 24, 2023, 09:26:33 pmI thought it was relevant because it is about energy consumption and the relevance here is how this is going to be made possible (I suspect through the use of smart meters) and inspections and the energy efficiency rules that they may impose over appliances like from the old epv ratings. I wanted to know what you think your thoughts.If you think it is not appropriate then I'll delete the thread.Shall I delete the thread?

author: John B
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 10:08:24 pm
content: Every so often I try to weigh up the economics of decentralising home power, ie a semi off the grid system that can still function independently of the power grid if needed for basic services. Major urban centres make the least sense because the grid is usually very reliable.However in the past couple of years I've had to add the fascism aspect into the equation, as it's becoming apparent that any of your equipment which is either monitored or worse able to be controlled by an outside entity is going to be a liability.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 10:21:32 pm
content: We do have a solar panel/battery grid tie inverter. It does have a 6kw output for when there is no grid power that will continue to provide power from the batteries. I wanted them to run an armored cable in the ground from the inverter to the house to hook up to a fuse box to some plugs.The problem from what I was told was that that output did not comply with regulations something to do with earthing and that they were trying to work on this "earthing rod" solution but haven't hear back about since.

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 10:36:17 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on September 24, 2023, 09:45:25 pmThat's not what I read. I only see UK whining. So why do you keep electing those morons?Wecan't help anymore. Just "Take back control."

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 10:50:29 pm
content: QuoteTranslated that means we cant be bothered with anything thats not run of the mill.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 10:53:29 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on September 24, 2023, 10:21:32 pmQuestion: let's say you completely disconnect your house from the grid and build your own installation (with solar panels for instance) distributing power ONLY via DC <= 48V, not using any inverter. (Yes that would mean not being able to use many appliances, but that's another question.) What would you be suject to in terms of regulation?

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 10:54:06 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on September 24, 2023, 09:45:25 pmThe entire thread is guaranteed to be a political rat-hole.Whatshouldhappen to political threads on this forum?

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 10:57:04 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on September 24, 2023, 10:54:06 pmGood point... Okay, well let's discuss the technical side on how they may set out to achieve these targets and leave out any political arguments (amongst members please.)Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 24, 2023, 10:53:29 pmI am worried about that too that it may not be appliances that are necessarily switched on and used but just being in possession of them that don't comply.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 11:23:09 pm
content: The bill includes no penalties for any specific thing, it allows penalties to be later defined for a set of violations, among which fraud and obstruction. Telegraph is stretching, they just wanted to torpedo a bill which would have forced energy conservation measures on slumlords.Allowing criminal law to defacto be created by regulatory agencies on the one hand is a bit suspect, on the other it's common in say the US.PS. I assumed this was in the renewable energy forum, though I see I assumed wrong.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 11:30:38 pm
content: Sorry, I don't have the time to explain the batshit bullshit conspiracy theory nonsense in this thread. Most of what dishi rishi came out with the other day is also all bullshit. A tax on meat abolished when there was never any such plan. He was simply pandering the the even more whako extreme right than the conservative party already is in a bid to attract votes. I'd even argue that this "article" was part of the plan, piss people off and then show how reasonable they are.So sorry locked, and don't post any of this garbage again please.