US Hp 54622A 2 channel 100Mhz  Scope for ~$100 shipped  - Page 1
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author: kawal
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2020, 05:18:18 pm
content: HP Agilent Keysight 54622AI have the D versions - these are nice even have FFT when updated to latest firmware.All options are enabled by firmware update.These have megazoom which is plenty good for long acquisitions.https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-Keysight-54622A-Oscilloscope-2Ch-with-MegaZoom-100MHz/233467086393?hash=item365bb90639%3Ag%3AfwQAAOSwvcheIJf3%3Asc%3AFedExHomeDelivery%2145044%21US%21-1&LH_BIN=1

author: oPossum
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2020, 06:51:50 pm
content: It even has the intensity knob that is often missing because the shaft breaks and it falls off.

author: bob91343
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2020, 08:06:48 pm
content: Don't tempt me; I already have too many oscilloscopes.

author: oPossum
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2020, 08:15:16 pm
content: Do you have any that can do this?

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 27, 2020, 08:26:46 pm
content: With 200Msa/s and considering it's a boat anchor IMHO it's questionable purchase in general.Also:QuoteUnder this pretense some sellers knowingly sell faulty crap. It shouldn't be listed with "Used condition" with such description.

author: bunnyThief
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2020, 01:30:03 pm
content: QuoteThey are stating it's for parts or repair only. So it implies thay it doesn't work. But you are right a careless or less informed buyer might purchase it expecting a fully functional unit and should be categorized as "For parts or not working".https://www.ebay.com/pages/help/sell/contextual/condition_1.html

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2020, 02:00:51 pm
content: Since the seller has listed this as Used then under E-bay's policy if should be fully functional, regardless of any disclaimers that the seller puts in the description. If someone bought this and it didn't work they would be allowed by Ebay/Paypal to return it to the sender for a full refund of both the purchase price and the shipping costs. I called and talked to the Ebay rep and asked this exact question because there are too many sellers listing things on E-bay that they claim are used but then in the description they describe it as "untested" or "powers on" or "as-is" or "power on tested only". The Ebay rep's reply was unequivocal, if it is listed as Used then it must be fully functional, regardless of what is in the description. If sellers want to sell "as-is" or "untested" items then they should be listed as "For parts or Repair".FWIW I was offered a similar model HP scope a few weeks ago that included both probes and all of the cables, grabbers, manuals etc. (It was the HP 64645D Mixed Signal version with both the analog and digital inputs). They were asking $100 for it but after looking at the specs I passed on it. I have far better scopes and far better LAs.PS This scope is also appears to be missing the probes and manuals. Therefore it should NOT be listed as Used. Per E-bay's policy, "Used" items should be complete minus perhaps non-essential items such as the box and packing material.

author: MarkL
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 28, 2020, 06:24:31 pm
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on March 28, 2020, 02:00:51 pmI can attest that this is the case. I've had to open cases a couple of times to make sellers take back "Used" items, even though it was big and bold in their description "NO RETURNS", "Don't even ask", etc etc. I don't go looking for "Used" items that are clearly broken just to give sellers a hard time, but in both cases it was hidden damage."Used" means working in ebay's definition of the term if you look it up. Period. I only buy "As-Is" if I'm willing to throw away whatever I purchased, which isn't very often.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2020, 06:05:03 am
content: Ebay no longer offers the "for parts or not working" on many items, your only choices are New, Refurbished, Seller Refurbished or Used. I haven't tried selling any test gear on ebay recently but I used to search for "for parts or not working" and can't do that anymore. Always read the description, it isn't the sellers fault if ebay doesn't offer enough different condition filters. If the description says it's faulty or untested then demanding a refund because it doesn't work is a pretty crappy thing to do.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 29, 2020, 12:00:16 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on March 29, 2020, 06:05:03 amThere are some categories with no "for parts or not working" condition because it simply does not make sense. Like for software, clothing or tickets. But for any equipment there is.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2020, 05:55:15 pm
content: Interesting, I wonder if they just removed the ability to search for that? When I tried searching for "Oscilloscope" I can choose between "New", "Used" and "Not Specified", so they let you say it's for parts or not working but you can't search by that? It's annoying since that's usually what I'm searching for.

author: bunnyThief
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2020, 10:45:55 pm
content: It could be that everyone is posting their "For parts or not working" test equipment as "Used". I guess they are hoping buyers are not aware that "Used" means it needs to be functional so they can unload non-working equipment.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2020, 11:12:04 pm
content: I'm not sure what difference it makes, if you buy something without reading the description then that's on you. In my case I'm specifically looking for non-working equipment in most cases.What is a person supposed to do if they're selling something they are actually unable to test, either because they don't have whatever it connects to or they lack the knowledge to test it properly? I've sold stuff like that before, I list it as "used" and say everything I know about it and assess the condition as best I can. It's used, it appears to be complete, maybe it works fine, maybe it has some issue, it's not a known bad parts unit. Ultimately what it comes down to is you need to read the description, look at the pictures and decide if the item is something you want to gamble on. If it says tested working and shows up dead, or if it's "used" and arrives missing internal parts or the condition doesn't match the picture then sure, you've got reason to file a claim. Otherwise used means exactly what it sounds like, if you buy a used car from an individual you wouldn't expect it to be fully certified with a warranty, it's used, you check it out as best as you can and either make a purchase or walk away.

author: edavid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2020, 11:16:42 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on March 29, 2020, 11:12:04 pmYou can list it as "used", and accept that the buyer can return it for any reason, or no reason.Or, you can list it as "for parts", and accept that some potential buyers won't bid on it.If you don't like those options, don't list on eBay.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2020, 11:24:18 pm
content: Quote from: edavid on March 29, 2020, 11:16:42 pmOr I can keep doing what I'm doing and gamble that I won't have some idiot who can't or refuses to read buy it, which so far has worked out fine for me. If I do start having to deal with said idiots then I'll stop selling stuff on ebay and people can miss out on the stuff I'm offering and pay someone else top dollar for tested working warrantied stuff instead.Someone who buys something used, doesn't read the description and then whines that it has something wrong with it that was clearly mentioned is an imbecile. Those types who throw a hissy fit about every little thing are the worst type of customer and deserve every bit of hassle they get, it would be great if there was an easy way to just block those types from even bidding.So please, if you're going to behave that way don't bid on that gear, leave it alone so those like myself who do read the listing and look at the picture can gamble on it if we decide to do so. Don't drive the prices up for everyone else, there are sellers who specialize in tested working warrantied gear and charge accordingly if that's what you want. I suppose this is why some sellers pad the hell out of the shipping fees despite the fact that it doesn't save them anything on ebay fees.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2020, 11:28:34 pm
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on March 28, 2020, 02:00:51 pmSorry but that is patently absurd. Does anyone really expect a used scope to include probes and manuals? It should include all internal components and all parts like knobs and such unless clearly shown that it is missing but surely you can't seriously expect anything not 100% complete with all original accessories to be sold "as parts or not working"?!

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2020, 12:13:56 am
content: Quote from: oPossum on March 27, 2020, 08:15:16 pmThe 54621A/D and 54622A/D and maybe others in the 54600 series have the Asteroids "ROCK_ON" Easter Egg.Edit: When I first looked at the message quoted above I didn't notice that the photo was double wide and didn't scroll to the right to see the image of the 54622D running Asteroids. I only saw the left side image of the 54645D running Centipede. Which one is the better scope game?

author: kawal
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2020, 12:54:11 am
content: Either way the item was sold and it looked like a working scope to me. Glad it found a new home . .and no I was not the seller.These are real robust scopes and the 200Msps is not a real problem for most hobby users. A great tool for 100 bucks in my opinion and asteroids included.

author: JDaryn1
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 18, 2020, 12:53:34 am
content: I had to jump in here and say that I am the one that bought this on ebay. The only problem it had was the soft keys under the screen didn't work. Cleaned the pads with ipa and it works great. Couldn't play asteroids with out them.Big upgrade from the Sampo SS-2020 that I have.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2020, 03:00:31 am
content: Nice score, looked like a nice scope, glad to hear it all worked out.

author: kawal
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2020, 04:14:35 am
content: I agree. The scope is great. Super responsive with plenty of memory and bandwidth. It was way ahead of the competition for it's time. Btw if you load the official latest firmware all options are enabled.

author: PaulAm
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2020, 12:55:22 am
content: Which is one of the big advantages over its predecessor, the 54645d.I have a 54645d and use it often, I like it quite a bit. If it dies I might look into a 54622d. The UI on these scopes is pretty intuitive.