Twitter now requires login to browse tweets. - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 06:29:58 am
content: On a guest machine, while it was doing it's update shenanigans, thought I'd surf to a couple of twitter accounts to get the latest.Redirected to twitter login.I know Elon is a serial fuckwit but this is Zuck-level stupid.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 06:52:35 am
content: LOL, for real. It was not the case just this morning.They will change it back. Once people realize majority of people can't read their stuff, they will stop posing.The only thing I read twitter for is insane stupidity of NFT people though web3isgoinggreat, which mostly links to twitter threads.

author: voltsandjolts
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 07:15:36 am
content: Reddit going the same way...and some semiconductor manufacturers too, if you want a datasheet or 3D model

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 08:01:29 am
content: Seems to be the case

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 09:23:08 am
content: OK, I guess I won't use Twitter then.

author: gnuarm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 09:26:52 am
content: Twitter is trying to commit suicide. Or maybe murder-suicide. How's Musk doing at the moment?

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 10:00:20 am
content: Quote from: voltsandjolts on June 30, 2023, 07:15:36 amReddit has been terrible in the past 2 years. Sometimes I just want to read the general opinion about something, without them tracking me. So forget about it on mobile, it will ask you to log in most of the time. They made the browsing experience terrible, where you literrally need to click every time to load new comments. And then do you want to click on a website in the mobile browser? Forces you to use their browser, no way to see the link address, no way to forward it.All these companies are doing is profiling. They are setting up your psychological profile for nefarious purposes. A study showed that after looking at 50-100 of your likes on facebook, an AI could predict your opinion better than your spouse.

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 10:08:36 am
content: Quote from: tom66 on June 30, 2023, 09:23:08 amWhy? Twitter is the webpage that makes the most sense to have an account on, since there are no threads or topics but mixed user tweets, so it is useful to have an account that follows the users you are interested in.Also besides showing the users you follow it has "recommended for you" posts which may increase the users with related topics you follow.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 10:12:05 am
content: Quote from: PartialDischarge on June 30, 2023, 10:08:36 amI'm fine with needing to log in to tweet.I don't need the tweets personalised to me and I don't want to be required to log in to just read one tweet I've been linked to.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 10:17:45 am
content: I wonder if a closed/private club would still need to comply the laws regarding public websites and public services. If not, would worth making the content visible to logged in members only, so people inside the platform can talk freely, without all the various censorship laws from various countries.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 10:25:55 am
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on June 30, 2023, 10:17:45 amEspecially in regards to politicians and other government departments that use it as a public service.Don't the public have a right to see those posts directly without logging in?

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 10:36:32 am
content: Quote from: tom66 on June 30, 2023, 10:12:05 amIf all the use you make of twitter is reading some linked tweets someone sends, then who cares, you are not a twitter user. And there is no need to post anything to be one.What I'm saying is that twitter cannot be compared to eevblog or a manufacturers webpage or even a newspaper. It's content is organised by users whose names (@whatever) are like codes that you cannot remember, soit nice to have an account to store this information for you.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 10:41:39 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 30, 2023, 10:25:55 amNo idea how it is used now, or by whom, I don't have twitter.It was just a wild guess, that if Twitter would be turned into a private club, then they can't be forced to censorship. Otherwise why they would make it visible only to logged in people?No mater the reason, if Twitter plans to remain visible for login only, then the politicians would need to find another public platform for their propaganda, I guess.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 10:58:05 am
content: Quote from: PartialDischarge on June 30, 2023, 10:36:32 amBut it's been that way since inception, and countless people post links that are now hidden unless you have an account.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 11:07:50 am
content: To me, it boils down to one of two things. Either Elon signed off on this, or he has no control of the company if it does this, like this.

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 11:12:14 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 30, 2023, 10:58:05 amAgreed and I'm not defending their move, my point is that it is worth it to have an account with them if you are going to read it even from time to time and regardless of the topics you may be interested in.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 11:14:04 am
content: Quote from: PartialDischarge on June 30, 2023, 11:12:14 amYou sound like you are defending their move... Regardless, the whole model of twitter is advertisement - they have potentially lost me and many others as people who would have viewed ads.(I have an ad blocker, but I don't think the policy extends to only people using ad blockers.)

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 11:38:37 am
content: Not surprised at all! Twitter already limits reading tweets without login for a few years. You could only see the latest tweets before a pop-up tells you to log in.PS: I don't have a Twitter account and I'm totally happy about this.

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 12:05:30 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on June 30, 2023, 10:00:20 amRegarding Reddit: use old.reddit.comThat interface is not really mobile friendly, but it will not nag you to use the app. If you actually do login (you can create a Reddit account on old.reddit.com *without* an Email Address, just skip that question) you can also force the old layout. Otherwise you might get nagged when opening reddit hosted images.The new reddit also started to hide some features, like sorting in threads, behind the login. Also, anything marked NSFW, which is not just porn, requires a login. Or old.reddit.com.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 12:32:03 pm
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on June 30, 2023, 11:07:50 amHeadlines fromAugust 2021: "Twitter starts to require login to view tweets"What did/does that have to do with Elon ?

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 12:35:55 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on June 30, 2023, 12:32:03 pmThey have done this before?

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 01:00:54 pm
content: I am not a user, but perhaps it was a staged rollout, by regions or something.

author: pbernardi
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 01:17:47 pm
content: Some time ago, you could read some tweets and after ~5 tweets you were asked for a login to continue reading.Now, you are required to login to read any tweet.

author: pbernardi
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 02:06:27 pm
content: Quote from: PartialDischarge on June 30, 2023, 10:08:36 amThat is the main problem for me: i do not want biased information - even if it is *my* bias. I want neutral information or the information I am looking for.If Twitter has my profile and knows my preferences, it will suggest information with I tend to agree - or even worst - information that I hate to generate buzz and discussion.The fact that social media choses are you are reading, from my point of view, generate polarization and hate speech. Thus, a neutral reading without a predefined profile is best.

author: BrokenYugo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 02:52:13 pm
content: Everything wants an account and login to do anything now, the one that shocked me the other day was McMaster-Carr, that easily halved my opinion of that company. Just the state of the internet these days, the usual race to the bottom BS.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 02:54:55 pm
content: But that was the case for many years? I mean, that's literally the reason proxy services like nitter existed. When Elon bought Twitter they removed this bullcrap but it seems it didn't last long. Now going back to good old bullshit seems to upset people like it's Elon Musk's new invention? How short is your memory? Or is there something I'm missing?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 03:18:28 pm
content: Quote from: PartialDischarge on June 30, 2023, 10:08:36 amNo, I don't want to be a twittery twat!

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 03:36:57 pm
content: Quote from: pbernardi on June 30, 2023, 01:17:47 pmBut you could always click "Login" on that pop-up and then a login window would appear, which you could just close to continue reading. I used twitter for reading without feeling any limitation without an account.

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 05:05:22 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on June 30, 2023, 03:18:28 pmLike I care that you use twitter or not

author: Sal Ammoniac
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 05:54:45 pm
content: Just say no to Twitter.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 06:01:38 pm
content: Fine with me, hopefully it will reduce the amount of noise in my web searches. As it stands I have never intentionally clicked on a link to Twitter but every now and then something is indexed in a search and I end up there. I tried Twitter once briefly 10+ years ago and found zero redeeming qualities, the echo chambers and tribalism have been a significant detriment to society and I sincerely hope that Musk is successful in its demise, despite that likely not being his intent.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 06:13:13 pm
content: I rarely used in the past to post but I don't mind since Husky MUCK has taken over it.If it requires a sign in to view stuff I find on the search engines I'll add it to my excluded list of clickbait trolling websites like when searching on Google:Quote

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 06:16:05 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on June 30, 2023, 03:36:57 pmI never figured that out. Having no account, it never crossed my mind to click "login"I found it easier to google "twitter proxy" or something and start using one of the many. Just do this.

author: gnuarm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 07:10:09 pm
content: Quote from: PartialDischarge on June 30, 2023, 05:05:22 pmYou mean like no one cares if you care?

author: gnuarm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 07:10:56 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on June 30, 2023, 03:36:57 pmDidn't work for me. I just get a page telling me how great Twitter is if I'm a member.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 07:25:06 pm
content: Quote from: gnuarm on June 30, 2023, 07:10:56 pmIt used to work before the change, now they disabled that.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 07:53:19 pm
content: Ah, yes. Impossible to read tweets without being logged in now.That's an odd decision.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 08:16:49 pm
content: Elon tweeted that it's a temporary measure due to excessive bot activity

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 08:27:03 pm
content: I call BS on that one. How do people without accounts contribute to the bot activity?More likely he wanted to nudge people that are hooked on twitter to make an account to make numbers look better.But it is obvious that it is a short-term thing regardless.

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 08:27:37 pm
content: Service was slower than normal that’s true

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 08:30:42 pm
content: It is slow because he broke stuff and fired everyone who could fix it.This is the part that comes after "see, he fired everyone and twitter still works". This is the part where it slowly degrades.

author: Infraviolet
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 08:54:21 pm
content: There are always alternative frontend websites for twitter, nitter for example, if you really need to see updates someone has posted then you type their username in to one such frontend and can see their tweets listed.I tend to agree with much of what Musk has done, his anti-censorship stance is fairly nice*, as was the principle of sacking masses of corporate box tickers... but if he thinks making viewing tweets a login-only action is a wise idea, then he will destroy the usefulness and user-counts of the platform that he payed so much to buy. Twitter isn't much use for much really, but the whole idea for anyone who does use it is to be able to share quick messages with vast numbers of people online and direct them to webpages where the twitter poster has their actual full-length articles/videos/content/.... It is supposed to be "micro-blogging", not "social media" and where "social media" is all about having conversational** two-way interactions with other users with accounts, "micro-blogging" is a one way means of getting links widely shared. Nobody will be interested in sharing links only with the small number of logged-in users, people who want to post things on twitter want the maximum possible numbers to see them, and that means mostly people browsing past and following other links who can't be bothered to waste time setting up a twiter account.*it would be nicer if he meant full anti-censorship rather than the position of "free speech within law" where twitter holds out against politicians on-the-moment speeched, but backs down to a government which ticks a few more boxes, shuffles some extra papers and signs censorship in to legislation**we all know that very little of it is coherent enough to be considered a conversation any more, but the idea was there, at some point in history, perhaps

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 08:56:48 pm
content: I understand the Musketeer is funding on his ownFox News compliantAI entity calledTruthGPT->

author: Bryn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 08:59:06 pm
content: I noticed the inability to view tweets or even view profiles earlier this morning (as another lurker to the site here). Now, I simply won't bother with it anymore.Then again, Twitter is a cesspit to begin with...

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2023, 10:25:32 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on June 30, 2023, 08:30:42 pmI did think that was a strange argument.It's a lot like saying "I stopped changing the oil in my car and it still works! Those oil changes I was doing before were a huge waste of money!"

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 04:27:32 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on June 30, 2023, 08:27:03 pmMight be content scrapers (probably new fangled AI) bogging down the servers.

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 05:10:20 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on June 30, 2023, 08:16:49 pmIronic, because nobody will be able to read that tweet.Edit:But of course because it's Musk,histweets are not login-walled (perish the thought!), but still hardly anybody can read it because for many people (me included), it just returns an error attempting to access it ("something went wrong").

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 05:25:24 am
content: yeah I just avoided a mcmaster order because they wanted some registration shithaha the funny thing is they think that if you have a corporate card you will bother registering for their website if you can do guest check out else where. they think you will do it because you are at work. That's what I am going to do jump through another fucking hoop for some bull shit parts. whats next, I bet they wanna start quoting people for a box of screws!I think they are really not in touch with how employees behave. Only the people still stuck on requisition forms (efficient and pleasant business practice, I swear, I just don't understand why people stopped implementing draconian micromanagement)) sent to purchasing are going to do buisness with stuff that needs an account. True story.And its like mad sad too because you think with work from home tech/finance employees, managing guest orders would be easier and cheaper. But of course instead of trying to leverage new technology to broaden business they try to pinch off perceived efficiencies to get cheaper instead of grow. How typical.Home depot too, you gotta get some disinterested mislocated or downright absent employee (their always called to do other shit) to open up a cell to buy a tool now because of all the security shit. Like I wanna drive down there and try to wrangle that person... it comes out infinitely easier to just buy online. I think I went there like twice in the last two years, and I used to go like weekly lol

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 03:30:27 pm
content: Quote from: Ranayna on June 30, 2023, 12:05:30 pmafaict a lot of subs have now been marked NSFW because the definition have been made so broad

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 07:27:41 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on June 30, 2023, 08:27:03 pmall the bots scraping tweets not being logged in?

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 07:55:15 pm
content: I just thought if this login enforcement has to do with the riots in France. Seems plausible. Croud control through cutting off means of communication.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 08:02:13 pm
content: This was likely related to scraping bots, since they instituted view limits on paying/registered/unregistered accounts and the smallest is 600 twits in a day or something like that. This should be fine, if you need to view more than 600 twits, you really need to get a life.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 09:14:37 pm
content: Indeed.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 09:52:39 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 01, 2023, 08:02:13 pmOr an account.

author: switchabl
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 10:00:07 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 01, 2023, 08:02:13 pmYou say that but you might use up half of that just scrolling past the crypto SPAM.(it's apparently total tweets loaded)Supposedly the quota will be increased to 800 soon. That doesn't like "bot activity" to me and more like they are having serious operational issues and are desperately trying to reduce load?Quote from: EEVblog on July 01, 2023, 09:52:39 pmNo, that is the limit with a (free) account. You can't read any tweets anymore without one.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 10:03:22 pm
content: Musk 4hrs ago:Quote

author: switchabl
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 10:10:38 pm
content: "Verified" = paid account now, right?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 10:18:56 pm
content: Want some help with data scraping?https://scrapfly.io/blog/how-to-scrape-twitter/

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 10:27:59 pm
content: Seems to be working, limits increased twice now.

author: switchabl
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 10:51:55 pm
content: Apparently the web client has (had?) a bug where rate limiting caused it to retry indefinitely without any backoff. I don't know if this was actually the cause of their problems or just made them worse. But it is objectively quite funny (if you don't work at Twitter).https://sfba.social/@sysop408/110639435788921057

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 11:05:43 pm
content: I'm thinking, cynical, of requiring everyone to sign-in, submit password, in order to speak with me...Ridiculous of course, but the point is, to make a bunch of baggage, to wade through, if you need my OK or other response, for personal business...like ordering a burger at the counter."Would you like the single? Or the MEAL ?"."We're sorry; You must enter user name and password, for Rick' verbal activation."Just really muck things up, forcing EVERYONE to comply. Boy, that'd be nice; to have the power to cause everybody to comply with a stupid and time consuming login, that doesn't serve any obvious need. Unless it's data tracking, but THAT still don't fit my agenda.(Just think how little a fellow like me would get, forcing or trying to force others to do a password action.I'd probably starve).

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 02:59:02 am
content: Twitter is DDOSing itself?https://waxy.org/2023/07/twitter-bug-causes-self-ddos-possibly-causing-elon-musks-emergency-blocks-and-rate-limits-its-amateur-hour/

author: ejeffrey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 04:07:04 am
content: "I don't always test code, but when I do I test in production"

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 06:48:45 am
content: Quote from: ejeffrey on July 02, 2023, 04:07:04 am"given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow"

author: newbrain
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 07:14:14 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 02, 2023, 06:48:45 amI like to say:"Given enough bugs, all eyes are shallow"(And that's one of the reasons for stuff like Heartbleed)Seems to fit nicely here.

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 07:25:39 am
content: I have no idea if it is true. It fits the image though, that makes this compelling.It currently makes the rounds that Musk did not renew a hosting contract with Google, and Twitter currently does simply not have the ressources for unlimited use anymore.It fits, since Twitter also does not pay rent anymore for several offices, and Musk apparently does not care.It just shows again: The software engineers at Twitter before it was sold apparently really knew what they were doing. That it is still running, if slow, is astonishing.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 09:27:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 02, 2023, 02:59:02 am... when you fire too many employees, things go really bad, and you need some smoke screen to hide it: it must be the LLM scrapers

author: switchabl
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 09:53:12 am
content: Quote from: Ranayna on July 02, 2023, 07:25:39 amI think the new CEO smoothed things over with Google (https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-resumes-paying-google-cloud-bloomberg-news-2023-06-21/). I guess they may still have reduced the capacity to save money?But cutting down on infrastructure to save money would be a very strange move if it means limiting user activity. Surely the ad revenue from a page impression can't be lower than its incremental cost. That would be completely unsustainable.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 07:26:26 pm
content: I'm sure you guys would be very good at running Twitter.Not sure why Musk doesn't even think about it. What a moron!

author: switchabl
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 07:32:41 pm
content: Eh, I would be rubbish running anything. But since Twitter has been turned into a moderately amusing reality show, we all stand chatting by the (metaphorical) water cooler, trying to puzzle out wtf is going on and wondering what will happen in the next episode.

author: Bryn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 06:52:06 am
content: Quote from: switchabl on July 02, 2023, 07:32:41 pmAnd like all TV shows, there will always be a twist in the plot D:

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 09:21:16 pm
content: Quote from: switchabl on July 01, 2023, 10:10:38 pmIt depends which week you ask this.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2023, 10:36:40 pm
content: Quote from: switchabl on July 01, 2023, 10:10:38 pmSo you no longer give Musk your data for nowt but actually pay him to take it, and then he whines because someone else allegedly helps themselves to it instead of paying Musk (again!) for it.