Used Samsung SM421 Pick and Place - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: huababua
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2023, 11:39:30 am
content: Hi All,Need some help making a decision.I am looking for a used pick and place machine. I have some experience with Manncorp/Autotronik machines - that’s why I don’t want to go with a Chinese machine.I got a good offer for a used SM421 with decent hours and a good feeder package for around 20k Euros.My question;- What do you think about Samsung machines in General compared to Juki/Yamaha.- As Samsung is not in the market anymore - the value of this machine will drop even faster - correct?

author: pan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2023, 03:42:13 pm
content: Hi,I have no experience with Juki/Yamaha, but I have a Hanwha 482+ (former Samsung). I am very happy with it. No problems what so ever. It just works. It seems Hanwha took over where Samsung left it. I think the frame has been the same for many years, with other updates here and there.I don't think the value will drop faster, and if you get a decent feeder package included that is a big plus. Extra feeders are easy to buy used/refurbished.

author: kayvee
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2023, 05:32:58 pm
content: I've run a used SM421 for the past 8 years and counting without any major hassles. Just a few minor things here and there, like pneumatic actuator replacement and such, but all in all it's been a solid workhorse, and have never once regretted my purchase decision.Yes the newer Hanwha SM48X series are improved here and there but they all share the same platform, and it's all really good IMO.Samsung sold off the SMT division of the company to Hanwha but essentially there have been no major changes to the structure, they are still in the same manufacturing facility in Taiwan as they were as Samsung.It's difficult to compare pricing country to country with the variable exchange rates, shipping costs and all, but I would at that price I'd say go for it with confidence. You may want to check out the local support channel in your country, but even in this backwater we have excellent local support, which helps on peace of mind when things go wrong.

author: ajb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 05:13:32 am
content: I was looking at new Hanwha machines recently, as mentioned they are a spin-off from Samsung, and as far as I know are still supported to some extent (though they may charge you a fee to even begin supporting a used machine, some manufacturers do).No direct experience with it, but 20k with feeders sounds like a good deal if the machine is in good shape. Depending on age, it may be limited in which types of feeders it can support, or is set up for, but that's not a deal if you're getting feeders. AFAIK, Samsung feeders have pretty good availability on the used market.

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 08:01:11 am
content: The UK Hanwha dealer regularly paints up and refurbs older Samsungs and sells them to those on lower budgets.Doesn't keep this page updated tho'https://www.elite7group.com/category/424/Used-Pick-and-Place-Machine

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2023, 01:50:33 am
content: I have a Quad QSA30A, made by Samsung on the base of their CP30. It is a really solid mechanical design. The manuals are quite awful, and are based on the original Samsung manuals. I don't know how much they have updated the software since my machine came out. The machine does have QUITE a lot of self-diagnostic features, such as allowing you to see what the alignment cameras see when holding a part. Make sure what feeders will cost for the range of parts you will need on the machine at one time. Does this machine need 3-phase power? Note, these machines are INSANELY heavy, well over a ton (at least mine is). I have had no problems finding spare parts for my machine, mostly in the far east, but some in the US, too. One other thing, check out how available nozzles are and how durable they are. Some machines have very fragile nozzles. My machine has stainless nozzles that are very robust.Jon