[SOLVED] Power supply repair on Sony SVO-9620 - Page 1
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author: decoder_82
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 09:28:00 am
content: Hi,I am trying to repair a power supply unit from a videorecorder Sony SVO-9620.There is a service manual for the device but unfortunately no schematics for the PSU block.There is only reference about the voltages expected at the connector:pin 1 -7/-6vpin 2 12vpin 3 GNDpin 4 5.3vpin 5 5.7vpin 6 GNDpin 7 GNDpin 8 GNDpin 9 12.3vpin 10 12.3vpin 11 7vInitial symptoms: no output from the power supply.What I did: replaced power resistor on the primary side that failed open, replaced IC101 (MA2830) than failed shorted. Replaced all electrolytic capacitors (some were leaky).Now I get correct voltages output when there is no load. As soon as I plug it to the VCR, it makes noise like Tweet-tweet-tweet or chirp-chirp-chirp which probably indicates overload. I know there is no other issues with the VCR it works fine if I use a spare power supply.I preventively replaced the PC111 but it didn't change anything.Any advice on what I could do next to further troubleshoot ?

author: eurgenca
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timestamp: July 08, 2023, 09:53:42 am
content: Is ic 201 TL431? If yes replace it. Also check sec. caps.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 08, 2023, 10:11:01 am
content: Thanks for the reply.All caps have been already replaced, including on secondary side.Not sure what is IC201. Here is a picture of the IC. How can I check it?

author: eurgenca
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timestamp: July 08, 2023, 01:27:04 pm
content: It is TL431 replace it and test ps. It is hard to test this ic. You have test circuits in datasheet but it is better to replace this ic.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 08, 2023, 01:50:02 pm
content: Thanks for the reply. Will find a replacement IC and see if this solves the issue.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 05:04:36 am
content: Alright so as suggested I did replace the TL431 IC. Unfortunately the power supply still has the same issue. Any further advice on what else I could check ?

author: eurgenca
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 06:47:58 am
content: Can you post pic from other side.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 07:11:12 am
content: Here is a picture of the other side.

author: floobydust
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 07:25:00 am
content: I would suspect the VCR has a short causing the PSU overload. See which rail collapses when it is in hiccup mode. It could be a motor H-bridge IC that has failed.The PSU should be OK now but not liking the overload, don't run it too long like that IC101 under stress.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 07:52:10 am
content: Quote from: floobydust on July 09, 2023, 07:25:00 amThat's also something I considered but since it runs fine when I put another power supply block we can rule out this cause.

author: eurgenca
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 03:18:26 pm
content: What is voltage at pin5 (ic101) with and without load?

author: jwet
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 05:08:08 pm
content: The MA2830 is an odd duck. It just contains a couple of HV transistors and some diodes. The circuits are self oscillating- hysteretic like. Considering your symptoms, I would expect that a small passive, (probably a cap) is out of tolerance and not allowing it to operate at full power (at the proper frequency). It operates no load but can't handle a load. You might want to A/B test on a known good unit and yours since it seems you have on available. I've attached a couple of docs that I googled. You can likely find better on the internet. Shindengen is a power supply module company and makes some of the lowest cost consumer power supplies in existence. They have a bunch of parts like the MA2830 that are very lean on details in the data sheets- I think they're mainly designed for in house use in their own supplies. I found a lot of Russian language circuits that use them.See attachments- good luck. Might help. The first is a generic flyback using the MA2830 and the second shows the internals of MA2830 in context. You can likely find better images on line- they get butchered on save...

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 06:21:18 pm
content: Quote from: eurgenca on July 09, 2023, 03:18:26 pmMany thanks for the suggestion.I will check pin 5 of the MA2830. I just have to figure out the right dummy load as it will be difficult to measure with the power supply in the VCR

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 06:23:30 pm
content: Quote from: jwet on July 09, 2023, 05:08:08 pmThanks that's very useful. Indeed not so much details documented for the MA2830.

author: floobydust
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timestamp: July 09, 2023, 07:46:00 pm
content: Sorry I missed that you have a second PSU that works.I would guess next the electrolytic capacitors are old and could be low value, especially being so close to the heatsink. The secondary-side ones are important.The board appears to regulate the +12.3V rail as the master rail and other rails can move around a bit in voltage.+12.3V rail C201, C205. C204 does something around the TL431. These caps are important for stability.You can run the PSU on the bench using small loads, light bulb etc. as well.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 10, 2023, 05:06:02 am
content: All the electrolytic capacitors have been replaced by new ones.At the pin 5 of Ic101, I measure 0v when there is no load. When there is overload, I observe some pulses of negative voltage (mV).

author: eurgenca
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timestamp: July 10, 2023, 05:58:04 am
content: Yes. According to dataset -0.13V is limited to stop ps from working. If the value is higher than go in this direction to the sec. side of ps.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 10, 2023, 06:15:20 am
content: Yes I will look again on the secondary side. All electrolytic Caps are new. I checked resistors and transistors and did not find bad ones.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 10, 2023, 01:53:48 pm
content: Quote from: eurgenca on July 10, 2023, 05:58:04 amDo you have other suggestions of things I can check on the secondary side?

author: floobydust
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timestamp: July 10, 2023, 03:41:12 pm
content: Did the changed caps include the two small ones on the primary side, by IC101? These are also critical. Look like C111, C113. If those are new, I would keep looking on the primary side.The shorted MA2830 could also damage any parts connected to it. This circuit has extra 2 small transistors Q101, Q102 I would see if they are OK and not damaged/weak.On the secondary side I can only see an open rectifier half on D201, D202 upsetting things.Another approach is to put the PSU's side by side and take comparison ohms/diode test readings.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 10, 2023, 04:58:02 pm
content: Thanks yeah I did check all the diodes and transistors (in circuit with diode tester). Everything looks ok.Small caps were replaced as well.I did a side by side comparison of the two PSUs with ohmeter. Couldn't find any difference.I will try to take some voltage measurements of the two PSU units live with some load on it.

author: floobydust
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timestamp: July 10, 2023, 05:23:14 pm
content: If you have replaced and checked so many parts, either something was missed or tested wrong. What size is the fuse on it? Have you measured/compared operating frequency.Rarely, I have seen an home AV receivers the SMPS IC shorts and blows and it damages the transformer primary from the overcurrent. You get shorted turns, and I use a Ring Tester to flush that out. I hope it's not the problem here. Something to keep in mind if this repair keeps being so difficult.

author: jwet
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timestamp: July 10, 2023, 06:39:06 pm
content: A side by side load test will likely be fruitful. You don't have to load all the outputs- just one- the one that has the TL431 and opto feedback. This gets the circuit working at a reasonable power level. An incandescent lamp from a car is a nice load usually and comes in many sizes. Be careful with big resistors as loads unless you support them in a little vise, etc- they get hot and will quietly burn a hole in your bench or start a fire.Draw a little schematic of how the 2830 is connected, just trace out its pins. Pin 3 is usually key and is often how the oscillator works. If there is a cap on that pin, replace it. It needs a to be a high voltage unit.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 11, 2023, 04:10:59 am
content: Quote from: floobydust on July 10, 2023, 05:23:14 pmThanks - indeed there is always a chance something was not measured properly. I will double check there are not some many components.I don't have a ring tester but indeed the transformer primary failure should be kept in mind.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 11, 2023, 04:15:52 am
content: Quote from: jwet on July 10, 2023, 06:39:06 pmMy hope to that a side by side load test will help to understand. Could be some component that fails under load or temperature.Good idea the diagram. It will for sure help.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 15, 2023, 10:35:24 am
content: Some update.The two power supplies are not exactly the same one is 110v and the other one 220v.The PCB is the same but some components are different like IC101. Differences are mostly on the primary side.Without load when I compare side by side there are no difference.I have played with different loads and managed to find a load that doesn't trigger the overload protection. On the faulty PSU all the voltages drop significantly. The main 12v output goes down to 6v. I am still investigating more but so far I observe a drop everywhere. Even on IC101 pin 1 and 2.I preventively replaced all the diodes (except D101) and transistors as well as IC. But it did not help.

author: floobydust
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timestamp: July 16, 2023, 05:07:51 am
content: It's a difficult repair, you're replaced so many components. I would next sketch a schematic of the primary side.Check operating frequency is not way off.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 16, 2023, 12:50:20 pm
content: Can it be the issue is caused by an incorrect replacement of R101? It thought it was a 3.3K ohm but now I have a doubt it should be 3.3 ohm. See pictures (left original, right replacement).

author: eurgenca
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timestamp: July 16, 2023, 01:09:57 pm
content: It doesn't have sense to be 3.3k resistor to bridge. It could be 3.3ohm.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 16, 2023, 02:22:41 pm
content: Yes indeed I got confused by the value written with the K at the end. Will get a 3.3ohm and see if it goes better.

author: decoder_82
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timestamp: July 19, 2023, 05:21:13 pm
content: Indeed with the correct resistor, the power supply works without issues.

author: fzabkar
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timestamp: July 19, 2023, 06:28:42 pm
content: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/ec/99/41/ee3952a0d83c59/CN2726210Y.pdf