Now THIS is an expensive oscilloscope! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: Ben321
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 10:04:42 pm
content: I was just googling for Picoscope, and this appeared in the "Sponsored" section above the actual search results.https://www.processcontrolexperts.com/Tektronix/MSO68B-6-BW-10000/At almost $200,000 that is the most expensive scope I've ever seen! Why does it cost so much?

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 10:08:17 pm
content: Because it's 10 GHz, that's really exotic stuff. $200k is not all that outlandish for high dollar specialized test gear. At a former job we had a HDMI analyzer that was around $100k and it was not nearly as fancy looking as a scope. IIRC my TDS748C was around $40k in the late 90s which would be considerably more today and it's "only" 1GHz and 4 channels.

author: jjoonathan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 10:22:23 pm
content: How many engineer-years do you think it took to develop? How many do you think they are going to sell?That's your answer.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 10:31:37 pm
content: Those are rookie numbers. 110GHz 4-channel version of the Keysight UXR-Series scope costs $1.3mil. There is probably less than 100 customers for that worldwide.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 10:35:34 pm
content: Quote from: Ben321 on June 23, 2022, 10:04:42 pmTwo 50GSa/s ADCs @ 12 bits? 8 channels with 10GHz front ends? 64 logic channels? FHD 15.6" screen? The Tek name?If you still think it is expensive, price out a set of IsoVu TIVP1 differential probes for it. At $28K each, a set of 8 will cost more than the scope.

author: pope
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 10:35:56 pm
content: Quote from: Ben321 on June 23, 2022, 10:04:42 pmThis can go >1M I believe.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 10:50:01 pm
content: Quote from: Ben321 on June 23, 2022, 10:04:42 pmDave finds more expensive oscilloscopes than that in his dumpster:

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 10:55:53 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 23, 2022, 10:50:01 pmExcept that was a "joke" and not to be taken literally... so you know, don't perpetuate the lies?

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 11:01:57 pm
content: $1mil+

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2022, 11:05:50 pm
content: Quote from: Someone on June 23, 2022, 10:55:53 pmI believe you don't appreciate the engineering effort that went into the design of it.Quote from: Someone on June 23, 2022, 10:55:53 pmWas it more than $200,000 or not?

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 12:10:19 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 23, 2022, 11:05:50 pmIt wasnt a dumpster find, which is what you claimed.Quote from: Fungus on June 23, 2022, 10:50:01 pm

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 12:25:06 am
content: Quote from: Someone on June 24, 2022, 12:10:19 amhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokehttps://www.rd.com/list/short-jokes/

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 12:34:44 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 24, 2022, 12:25:06 amSo how is your post in context of a joke? Its not. The video is a "joke" (apparently, not clear at all) and you made zero suggestion of joke.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 12:52:08 am
content: Guys, please knock it off. It was tongue in cheek and not serious.Quote from: Ben321 on June 23, 2022, 10:04:42 pmAs others have said, such prices are not unheard on the scientific markets. The R&D, materials and the very specific group of users exert enormous pressure on the manufacturer to recover the costs in the early life of such equipment. Over the years the technology catches up and tends to push the prices down (case of the TDS784 mentioned above).At work I have been using turn-of-the-century VNAs that were absolutely above anything I would have imagined using back then - on par of whst you mentioned. Nowadays they are hauled around the lab as any other equipment and some even scoff at their older Windows 2000 OSes. I love them and bring an air of nostalgia to me...

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 12:59:22 am
content: Quote from: pope on June 23, 2022, 10:35:56 pmLook at the noise on that thing for $1mil you'd expect better

author: trophosphere
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timestamp: June 24, 2022, 01:40:05 am
content: I wonder what the price difference is for this now compared to when it came out

author: KaneTW
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timestamp: June 24, 2022, 01:53:47 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on June 23, 2022, 10:31:37 pmFor the 110GHz 4ch version, yeah, probably. But PCIe Gen 5 compliance testing requires a 50GHz scope, and Gen 6 is coming soon. If you go with a Keysight scope, they'll just tell you to buy an UXR.

author: Caliaxy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 04:26:42 am
content: Have you factored in the 6% eevblog discount?FWIW, the “edu” price is about $28,000 less… then you subtract the 6% eevblog discount at tequipment.com

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 04:49:44 am
content: Quote from: Caliaxy on June 24, 2022, 04:26:42 amWhich more than covers the price of a 2 GHz 4ch SDS6204A.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 05:24:21 am
content: Quote from: Someone on June 24, 2022, 12:34:44 amIt was an April Fools joke, and the very best onesare not clear until the end, in order to get maximum face-palmage from the audience. It was a pretty good one, along with Big Clive's radioactive MRE...

author: BBBbbb
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 05:42:46 am
content: When I saw the topic I expected to find a scope that combusted and burnt the lab down...Now I'm disappointed with the 200k price tag.

author: MadTux
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 12:41:01 pm
content: More like a $20k scope with feature amputation removed...But then it's still a toy for for most people who don't need the features.Like driving a sports car, could go 400km/h, but you're only allowed to drive 120km/h, so in reality it's much less trouble to have disposable junk than a $200k item on your bench/in your driveway.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 01:16:42 pm
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on June 24, 2022, 05:24:21 amwhat kind of thinking that 1 day out of 365 days in a year is ok to make lies?Quote from: Ben321 on June 23, 2022, 10:04:42 pmso thats the reason why since dumpster is a joke, the best place to search is in ebay or other used/bid items sites, so we can get a hold on some WinXP GHz scope at 1/100x the price, even for not so long. we are willing to trade with blood in order to make (fix) it works for as long as it can get to work.

author: xrunner
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timestamp: June 24, 2022, 01:23:27 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on June 24, 2022, 01:16:42 pm

author: NCG
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 01:35:59 pm
content: Ok, marked it for buy on Ebay, when the price is down to 1..2k. Maybe not too distant future.

author: bayjelly
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 04:43:11 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on June 23, 2022, 10:35:34 pmDefinitely!QuoteEhh, impressive, but notthatmindblowing (compared to the analog channels at least) if you consider that a 10Gbps network adapter is similar. But there's 64 of them, so, still counts.QuoteOkay, now you're off the mark, every iPad has a much better screen.That probably changes nothing about the price, at this level.QuoteThat's more like it.

author: DEV001
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 12:36:12 am
content: Keysight has a refurbished 63GHz 160 GSa/S 4-channel for $520k. It also comes with a 1 year warrantyhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/175230533109

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 12:45:08 am
content: Are they using BNCs for 10GHz inputs?

author: rsjsouza
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timestamp: June 25, 2022, 01:09:46 am
content: Quote from: DEV001 on June 25, 2022, 12:36:12 am... and it is 15% off!

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 01:14:12 am
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on June 25, 2022, 01:09:46 amPlus it's "Make an Offer" offer a cool half a million and see if they accept it.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 03:08:14 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on June 24, 2022, 01:16:42 pmYes. That's the only way I can afford it.

author: Sighound36
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timestamp: June 25, 2022, 02:16:44 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on June 23, 2022, 10:35:34 pm

author: Fungus
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timestamp: June 25, 2022, 02:28:29 pm
content: Quote from: pope on June 23, 2022, 10:35:56 pmHow much for a four channel version?

author: KaneTW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 02:52:20 pm
content: 1.3mn I believe.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 03:47:39 pm
content: Quote from: Sighound36 on June 25, 2022, 02:16:44 pmTek is certainly on some benches, although their new stuff isn't likely to be found on mine anytime soon unless I win a lottery. But can you match the specs of the TIVP1 anywhere else at a lower price? If that's what you need then you have to pay up.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 04:35:39 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on June 25, 2022, 03:47:39 pmif i win 1m lottery i'll stop doing anything. maybe sometime with my rigol ds1054z during boring time. if my ds1054z break, i can buy another one.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 05:26:31 pm
content: Plenty of examples of people winning a lottery who quit their work, blew all the money and ended broken.

author: nigelwright7557
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 06:18:04 pm
content: I sell my own design cheapo USB scopes for £30 !Not bad for 20 mega samples with analogue display and spectrum analyser.Good enough for basic audio work.

author: rfclown
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 06:43:23 pm
content: At work they rented one of those Keysight boxes for a few weeks to measure some high speed differential signaling (don't know what, wasn't my project). A front view picture doesn't give you the perspective of how enormous these things are. The side view shows the gazillion fans these things have. And you'd better have the right adapters/probes or all you can do is stare at it. This box has nothing to do with regular scope probes.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 07:13:31 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on June 25, 2022, 05:26:31 pmdont blew all of it then... just what is enough for your daily consumption.. thats the problem with people with lottery mentality, they think they are God anointed one that will get another second chance... greed... (i dont actually put my chance on lottery. that is just... IF)

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 07:16:44 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on June 25, 2022, 05:26:31 pmMoney is very dangerous if given to the wrong person. It can be as dangerous as poison if they don't know how to handle it properly.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 08:01:34 pm
content: Quote from: xrunner on June 25, 2022, 07:16:44 pmAnd there is a significant overlap between people that don't know how to properly handle money and people that play lottery.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 10:12:52 pm
content: Quote from: nigelwright7557 on June 25, 2022, 06:18:04 pmI don't really see what that has to do with this thread. 20MS/s is a toy, a nearly 30 year old TDS320 can do 500MS/s. So yes, it's cheap, but you get what you pay for.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 10:32:28 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on June 25, 2022, 10:12:52 pmnigelwright7557 likes to promote random crap he sells. He used to shit on KiCAD, but I guess sales of whatever random PCB design software plummeted, so now it is scopes with decade old characteristics.

author: Sredni
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2022, 12:32:08 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 23, 2022, 10:50:01 pmEver since I saw that video, every April first I scour the dumpsters in my city, but I have yet to be that lucky!

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2022, 09:59:01 pm
content: Quote from: Sredni on June 26, 2022, 12:32:08 pm....and that people is how you frame a joke!

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2022, 01:11:05 pm
content: Quote from: xrunner on June 25, 2022, 07:16:44 pmTrue. I can keep it safe for you, and to protect you I promise you'll never get it back.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2022, 02:10:58 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on June 27, 2022, 01:11:05 pmOh no, I wouldn't want to take the risk of you dying because I gave you money.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2022, 12:34:57 am
content: A few years ago I took a crack at making a demonstration of LeCroy's DBI (Digital Bandwidth Interleaving) based on their patents. Roger Delbue from LeCroy chimed in.It starts at about 6 minutes in. I'm not a good teacher so if you get lost, check the first comment.