ZTE phones banned - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2018, 05:31:02 pm
content: I haven't seen this in any other place around here. It seems quite serious at this early stage.http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/17/technology/zte-china-us-phones-ban/index.html

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2018, 05:36:36 pm
content: Wonder how this affect Qualcomm ? or Mediatek ?Related ->https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-zte-qualcomm-analysis/u-s-strike-on-chinas-zte-another-blow-for-qualcomm-idUSKBN1HO0XTQuote :"Caught in the crossfire is Qualcomm, whose products account for the lion’s share of chips inside ZTE smartphones. The Chinese company shipped an estimated 46.4 million phones last year, according to IHS Markit.“If you look at ZTE it sells around 45 million smartphones per year globally, and almost half of them have Qualcomm chips,That puts Qualcomm, which makes the bulk of its sales in China, in an ackward position. "

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2018, 05:48:38 pm
content: Start another company and transfer pretty much every asset and employee to it. New company, no ban. It's almost impossible to stop some trickery from happening.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 01:41:14 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 17, 2018, 05:48:38 pmIt reminds me of the now-decade-old patent battle between Sigmatel and Actions for their MP3 SoCs --- the latter turned into HiTrend and Artek and a few others...

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 01:53:22 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on April 17, 2018, 05:36:36 pmSounds like a fairly big problem for Qualcomm, not so much the Chinese. China will crank up production of their own SoCs as soon as they possibly can, and drop any pretense of paying for Qualcomm's IP.If it were happening to anyone besides Qualcomm, I could probably work up some mild dudgeon. But karma is a bitch on wheels.

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 09:34:51 am
content: How does it work, patent-wise?If a company has a patent on a certain technology, but said company is not allowed to sell its products to country X.Would country X be essentially barred from using that technology, or that patent protection would be excepted?

author: dexters_lab
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 10:05:20 am
content: anyone know what security concerns these bans stem from?

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 11:24:20 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 18, 2018, 10:28:15 amThis is different from what I've heard from people in China: the majority are MTK, so much that you'll find plenty of forums specifically for them.

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 02:16:33 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 18, 2018, 10:28:15 amThats brilliant! Sounds like what the Indians did when US companies wanted to patent the genoms ofa tree that naturally produces a medecinal substance also well known for thousand of years to naitives.China just stroke a deal with Putin to try crush the petrodollar, Xi is also a vivid Confucianist.....When the wind blows,the grass bends.... .

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 04:09:44 pm
content: Quote from: dexters_lab on April 18, 2018, 10:05:20 amZTE is state owned and have been caught with side channels already.Huawei is less of a risk if anything. They actually coughed up source and toolchain to NCSC / HCSEC on backbone kit and it was reviewed and green lit. Either that or NCSC just kept the exploits they developed.Whole thing is a turd. Cisco / Juniper are no better. Encryption and to end and don't make any assumptions about the carrier is the only way to be safe.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 04:40:38 pm
content: More to come:-https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-proposes-protect-national-security-through-fcc-programs-https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/17/technology/huawei-trade-war.htmlThe US are also trying to ban buying telecommunication equipment from Chinese vendors because they could pose a security risk. Does anyone remember the Snowden paper showing how the NSA tampers with Cisco stuff? FUD vs. facts.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 05:09:38 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 18, 2018, 04:28:43 pmInteresting! My first encounter with Huawei was around 2002. They tried to sell us copies of Cisco 2600 and 3600 routers running their version of IOS. The CLI was exactly the same. So we wondered if their IOS had the same bugs as the Cisco IOS.Back then it was easy to find 'backdoors' caused by a poor default configuration of Cisco devices. A typical issue was (and still is) SNMP. A good network engineer disabled SNMP or locked down the access by changing the default communities (some kind of weak credential) and applying ACLs. Some didn't. SNMP is a protocol for collecting status information and statistics while also allowing remote management. Despite the well known problems there are still network elements with unprotected SNMP access connected to the internet.