Have the Australian government  gone full retard? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 12:03:37 pm
content: https://theconversation.com/new-defence-trade-controls-threaten-academic-freedom-and-the-economy-55310the list of things on the list:https://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2010L01084>40MHz MCU, 14bit >2.5MHz sample rate ADC, >133MHz FPGA

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 12:07:01 pm
content: Don't get me started. The current government right now is an absolute disgrace on many fronts. I dare say, borderline criminal.

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 12:18:19 pm
content: from reading over all of that, that refers to prohibiting the export of, not import,But by god some of the stuff in that listing, its mundane, all the way down to certain alloys.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 12:25:13 pm
content: Quote from: langwadt on March 02, 2016, 12:03:37 pmThat document is dated 2010. The limits still look low, but not quite as low as they seem today.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 01:13:50 pm
content: Just remember the vicious law the wankers imposed against journalists, social workers or medical staff who dare speak out about the abuse going on with the prisoners at Nauru. The politicians are simply too scared or gutless to act out their threats because it knows it will be the end of them if they dare try it.Maybe John Faulkner probably had little comprehension of what was in the Defence and Strategic Goods List Amendment 2010. Most politicians are not even up to the level of a high school student with regards to technology.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 01:27:04 pm
content: Looks reasonable assuming it's 1975.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 01:53:47 pm
content: Being retarded is the natural state of any government.You should be surprised if your government isn't retarded.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 02:09:39 pm
content: Quote from: dannyf on March 02, 2016, 01:53:47 pmI think in Aus it's regarded as mandatory. Some good number of years ago an Aus friend of mine said that the Aus government always waited until a law had been tried and conspicuously proven to be broken in the USA or UK before proposing it as Australian law. From what I've seen of Aussie politics from a distance in the years since it looks like this isn't the cynical joke it sounded like but instead quite an accurate assessment. In recent years the Canadians seem to have been doing the same thing. It completely buggers me because I always had Aus and Canada top of my list of places to run to if the government here in the UK turned full fascist - which if you look at the investigatory powers bill now before parliament it looks like they are trying to. Perhaps it's time to learn to speak Dutch.

author: HAL-42b
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 02:17:16 pm
content: Quote from: dannyf on March 02, 2016, 01:53:47 pmAct retarded - get away with shit. Good strategy for any government.

author: Chris Jones
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 03:08:05 pm
content: If thehttp://www.pocketnc.com/were made in Australia, it would be controlled under 2B001b2 and imagine the practicality of applying for an export licence for each crowdfunding backer! The US has similar rules (sometimes sillier, sometimes better) so perhaps that is why the pocketnc is presently only available for delivery in the USA. For a US company, that would be annoying but tolerable as at least they have a large enough domestic market to be viable. For an Australian company it would be fatal. So if you want to start a technology company, Australia is not the place for you to live.Probably these rules are not enforced anyway - unless you forget to make your political party donation, or criticise someone well-connected.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 03:33:39 pm
content: The most stupid fact is that you are not even allowed to work with these technologies abroad if you are Australian. IMO they should kill themselves for the stupidity. According to that law, basically if you are Australian, you should become a farmer. Otherwise they can put you for up to 10 years into jail.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 03:36:41 pm
content: Quote10 years in prison for selling a videocassette recorder from dumpster.

author: wkb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 03:54:19 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on March 02, 2016, 02:09:39 pmHeh.. most of the Dutch speak English anyway so that would not be blocking you.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 04:00:45 pm
content: These our powers that were delegated by the legislature to the bureaucrats which can now ban virtually whatever they fancy and have more and more control over your life. We have the same problem here.

author: Chris Jones
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 04:14:41 pm
content: Quote from: Rerouter on March 02, 2016, 12:18:19 pmYes, and also the export of ideas and designs is controlled. Basically they don't want anyone in Australia manufacturing or designing any technology that will be sold overseas, and will punish them with infinite paperwork if they try. You are supposed to move overseas and renounce your citizenship first, if you want to work in high-tech industries that are globally competitive. Australia will fix its budget problems by only importing and never exporting technology - that's how the "ideas boom" works, isn't it?

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 05:29:45 pm
content: Quote from: wkb on March 02, 2016, 03:54:19 pmYes, but it would be polite if I was planning on living there.I make a point before visiting anywhere where English isn't the first language to at least learn the very basics of the local language. You know, the equivalents for yes, no, please, thank-you, good morning, good bye, can I please haveNbeers - that sort of thing. If I do that in France and Germany I get a reply in French or German - in Holland I get a reply in English.

author: Tom45
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 05:59:20 pm
content: I wonder how many of Dave's videos violate some provision of this law.

author: Chris Jones
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 11:42:31 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on March 02, 2016, 03:36:41 pmWell the next sentence says basically "except civilian video recorders".On the other hand it would be not a great stretch of the imagination to see how a hifi system from a dumpster could be made into 3A225 using the audio output jack of a phone with an app, or a CD with certain things recorded on it. I won't tell you how to do it because we'd need to get a licence first! On the other hand unless you're as thick as the people who wrote that list, you wouldn't even need to ask.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 11:43:18 pm
content: Quote from: Tom45 on March 02, 2016, 05:59:20 pmProbably none, as prior art items are not included in this law.

author: ndunnett
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 03, 2016, 07:42:17 am
content: I may be young, but I can't remember a time that our governmenthasn'tbeen running at full retard.

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2016, 09:55:43 am
content: If Aus government is retarded, so is USA.https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12587Can't have those terrorists getting hold of a little Arduino!

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2016, 10:20:27 am
content: Quote from: Cerebus on March 02, 2016, 05:29:45 pmI spent 18 months living and working in the Netherlands. I worked at a company where English was the first language. I did learn the basics but whenever I tried practicing any Dutch, the locals were always far more interested in practicing their English.As far as governments being retards, it's the natural order of the day with rare exceptions.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2016, 11:07:22 am
content: Quote from: KJDS on March 03, 2016, 10:20:27 amEnglish speakers I've known who learned to speak Dutch had to live in the Netherlands countryside to be able to get anyone to practice with them.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2016, 04:32:45 pm
content: they are being polite with your poor Dutch. Just do what I used to do, and have a conversation in 2 languages. Saved me wincing at the mangled English and I often could express an idea better in English, while the reply would come back in another language, and we both learned.