FS: Keysight/Agilent 34470A 7½ digit multimeter + calibration cert (cancelled) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2015, 04:44:05 am
content: Hello,I was able to make a deal to buy a new 34470A quite cheaply, and since I personally have already 34465A and I don't need the extra digit, I wanted to sell it here.I don't yet have the device and I can back out of the deal, but in case some of you would be interested to buy it with 5-8% discount (from retail price), let me know. I will then procure it, post pictures and make an official sell ad.There is only one piece, and it is completely new, unused in its original box with all the standard accessories + Z54 option (calibration certificate). Keysight gives full 3 years warranty.Note that the calibration certificate itself is worth 130 EUR.Asking price: 2290 including 24% VAT. Postage fees excluded (from Finland 30-45 EUR to Northern / Central Europe. Please ask exact fee). VAT can be lifted from VAT-registered companies in EU.Thanks!Update 20.9.2015: The unit has been paid and it is for me to sell. I will be receiving the unit next week and will post pictures. The official distributor was Elfa Distrelec.Update 21.9.2015: I cancelled the order and the deal's off. See here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/fs-keysightagilent-34470a-7-digit-multimeter-calibration-cert-(new!)/msg760339/#msg760339

author: LA7SJA
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2015, 07:01:52 am
content: Asking price?Johan-Fredrik

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 17, 2015, 07:23:21 am
content: Depending on the price, I'm interested as well.

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2015, 03:09:07 pm
content: Updated asking price.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 08:51:19 am
content: The list-price in Germany is Euro 2550 and usually dealers will offer up to 10% discount of that.So, your price is not "quite cheaply"Can you shell without VAT to anyone in the EU with a valid EU-VAT-TAX number?

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 10:53:04 am
content: You've been here 20 days on the forum and you're buying with a 5-8% percent discount to resell on the forum on the off chance it can be resold and so you can recover your money and time as a forum favor to a stranger.This is quite suspicious if not totally risky behavior on your part considering you don't have it in your hands yet. Why don't you just give out your contacts details and people will buy and back order direct from a reseller?

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 11:02:46 am
content: Quote from: neopticus on September 17, 2015, 04:44:05 amI can get it from farnell cheaper, also shipping would be almost free.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 11:07:35 am
content: OT I know but VAT = 24%Did VAT replace other taxes or just a new added tax when it was implemented? Do all the EU countries use the same VAT rate or do they vary? I ask because there are some politicians in the U.S. talking about it some but not sure if in context of a change in existing tax structure or just adding another consumer tax.

author: xtech
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 11:16:20 am
content: In EU if you are buying something only VAT is visible for customer (in Poland for example there is another tax for fossil fuels but it is not visible on the bill). It varies between countries - in Poland you have 8 and 23% VAT depend what kind of item. For example doors for your home have 23% VAT but if you buy doors with mounting service you will pay only 8% VAT

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 11:16:40 am
content: Quote from: retrolefty on September 18, 2015, 11:07:35 amIt's a right fcking mess...http://www.vatlive.com/vat-rates/european-vat-rates/eu-vat-rates/Not only different rates for different countries, but different rates within each country for different classes of commodity/service.(and if the meter sells at anywhere near the asking price it's going to change the way I price Keysight stuff on EEV! )

author: gmb42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 11:22:45 am
content: The redeeming feature for me is though that all consumer sales oriented businessmustshow prices with VAT included, thus what you see is what you pay, unlike the mess that's North America where *random amounts are added to the shelf price just to surprise you at the checkout.* The amounts seem random to me but no doubt there's a bureaucrat somewhere making them up, that bit at least never changes wherever you are.

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 11:27:15 am
content: Yes that's a fair point, I guess the average consumer in the EU has no real idea what VAT rate they are paying on anything they buy, it's invisible to them.

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 12:21:58 pm
content: Quote from: Shock on September 18, 2015, 10:53:04 amHello Shock, I can understand your viewpoint. But I did get the deal far cheaper than this (it was a last unit, so I figure they wanted to clean their inventory), so this is not exactly charity from my behalf

author: Pinkus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 12:40:16 pm
content: Quote from: TopLoser on September 18, 2015, 11:27:15 amWhat means VAT: You really should literally look at the word "value added tax". It means "we (the government) will add tax on it and then the product it is worth more". Isn't that great that the government is paying attention to us to ensure everything we purchase will have a higher value than before. So they protect us against purchasing low value products by adding some extra-value. Thank you, you ...... beloved leaders.....I looked at the list Toploser posted and was bummed about how many countries are at 25% VAT or even higher. I am afraid that my country is already secretly discussing a higher VAT, just to "harmonize" EU VAT levels .... and just to our benefits of course.

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 12:46:16 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on September 18, 2015, 08:51:19 amHighvoltage, thanks for the heads-up. But where can you get 34470A for 2550 (including VAT)?I did a survey:All currency converted to EUR. VAT 0% / with local VATMeilhaus.de 2554 / 3039farnell.uk 2556 / 3067farnell.fi 2308 / 2861farnell.de 2223 / 2667datatec.de 2554 / 3039distrelec.de 2554 / 3064rs-online.com 2563 / 3075tme.eu 2368 / 2841 (British prices, won't sell to Finland or Germany)There's a huge difference in prices between countries even in the same company!Then there's 34470A with calibration (Z54) option:distrelec.de 2318 / 2781So with calibration it's cheaper in distrelec than without!Anyway, I dropped the price to 2590 (including VAT 24%) and I can still make a bit profit. For VAT-registered companies VAT can be of course exempted.Edit: Corrected typo (that caused also miscalculation) in farnell.uk

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 01:20:26 pm
content: farnell.uk 2562 / 3100 ?. don't know where that comes from, i work it out to be £2240 inclusive of 20%vat. unless uk vat is higher than 20%

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 01:35:51 pm
content: Quote from: Deathwish on September 18, 2015, 01:20:26 pmI don't have account on Farnell UK, but in farnell.fi they are VAT 0% prices and VAT is added later during checkout. So in UK site It's 1867 pounds = 2556 EUR exclusive of VAT and with 20% VAT 3067 EUR (sorry, had a typo in my previous msg).Please correct me if I'm wrong.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 01:50:42 pm
content: So with your price of 3067 EUR - your discount of 8% (at max discount) it comes to 2821 and you want carriage fees on top of 30-45 EUR.2821 EUR at currency convertor price is 2057 GBP +32.83 GBP carriage ( converted from 45 EUR) = total of 2089 GBP. Hardly a knock down price on something you are saying you got real cheap and therefore second hand that you wish someone here to take a chance on without knowing you, but I am sure someone will. I wouldn't. Sorry. I would rather take the chance of paying the extra £150 and know I can return it if it screws up without someone possibly not being about later.

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 02:21:52 pm
content: Quote from: Deathwish on September 18, 2015, 01:50:42 pmFarnell.uk was just example, not the price point I am giving discount from. I think you missed my earlier post about reducing the price further since it's much cheaper in farnell.de.Also one correction which I think I must emphasize: It is not second-hand, but completely new unit from Keysight, sold by an official supplier. It comes in it's original box unopened (which I am of course forced to open to take pictures. No one would buy just a card board box with Keysight logo on it, not even me)

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 02:38:30 pm
content: Well as far as I am concerned if I buy it from a reputable dealer outlet it is new, if I buy it from someone else that got it from a dealer outlet regardless of any deal he got on it then it is second hand regardless of if it comes in its original box.Then you have to ask yourself what your selling pedigree is on here and who is willing to throw a large sum of money at an unknown person who may or may not have done whatever to the item themselves. You may well be a decent person but at the sum you want, I would be running for the hills as a buyer for your first sale on here. I do wish you good luck.

author: plesa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 02:47:47 pm
content: Current price is too high. Official channels offer to returning customers discounts better than this.Check Keysight remarketed prices or demo units discounts.

author: kmel
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 02:49:08 pm
content: Quote from: neopticus on September 18, 2015, 12:46:16 pmfarnell.de : 2223 + 19% = 2654.37 - 10% coupon "FARNDE10" = 2380,83 inc. shipping

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 03:15:24 pm
content: Quote from: kmel on September 18, 2015, 02:49:08 pmWow, you do have good discounts (and cheaper VAT as well) in Germany! In Finnish Farnell 500 euros more expensive.. </envious>

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 03:55:55 pm
content: What I wanted to say:You need to drop your price significantly - like 40 % to 50% - to make a sale here on eevblog and build your reputation for trust and service.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 07:32:12 pm
content: QuoteAnd to prevent Toploser from getting ideas

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 08:04:43 pm
content: Quote from: neopticus on September 18, 2015, 12:21:58 pmOh so you already brought it? I could understand if it's an open box, a customer return or you had buyers remorse. But I thought you didn't have anything to sell.Quote from: HighVoltage on September 18, 2015, 03:55:55 pmWell we don't think selling one at cost is going to work in this situation. But lots of risk for little gain from either party in my opinion.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 08:25:26 pm
content: Quote from: Shock on September 18, 2015, 08:04:43 pmNo you are quite right according to his original post, he merely had the opportunity of a deal.Quote from: neopticus on September 17, 2015, 04:44:05 am

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 08:37:36 pm
content: Quote from: Shock on September 18, 2015, 08:04:43 pmI ordered the item and got the bill (normal procedure for business clients), but it's waiting for the payment before they actually ship it (since I lack the credit history as newly (this year) registered company). So I do have something to sell if I actually decide to pay it. Or I could cancel the order.Quote from: Shock on September 18, 2015, 08:04:43 pmThat's right. But I do want to thank for the input from everyone, as harsh as it may have been. It's hard to compete with big volume dealers (especially when it comes to German buyers). Furthermore, as low volume seller shipping prices are very expensive compared to bigger suppliers (I have to resort to using local Finnish Post Office). And as a new seller here, there are of course misgivings and doubts, and rightly so.I will ponder further during weekend about the situation and the price point (I am accepting offers of course). Heck, I might just buy the meter for my own use (it would be nice but expensive toy), and maybe even sell the 34465A, who knows.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 08:45:53 pm
content: Quote from: neopticus on September 18, 2015, 08:37:36 pmNo you have not paid for it, therefore you do not have ownership or title to the product, you are now trying to sell it before paying for it which in some places is fraud, sorry to sound nasty but that is the way it is looking from my end.

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 09:26:01 pm
content: Quote from: Deathwish on September 18, 2015, 08:45:53 pmI understand your point, but companies do sell stuff on back-order all the time. But even then that was not my goal here, but instead to survey whether buying it would be feasible or not. That's why I explicitly stated in the first message thatI don't have the device yet, and thatI would be selling it only after I get it myselfand post pictures. My intention was absolutely not to lead anyone astray, and I do hope people can see it that way.NEVERTHELESS, I do acknowledge that there might be a can of worms legislatively somewhere, and now that you mention this, I can imagine that someone might be offended by this type of selling on EEVBlog. So, I will immediately complete the transaction/payment so that any ambiguities about this will be resolved.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 09:38:55 pm
content: Well in that case, I hope that now as you will own the item you will now have no problems with telling us all who the dealer is you are getting it from, I personally am not convinced still.I am a naturally cautious person when it comes to what seems to be a "too good to be true" offer and I look for the less salubrious aspects of them.Like I said before, I wish you luck, but I have enough doubts for myself to steer clear. I hope your buyer can prove me wrong to be so cautious

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 09:46:27 pm
content: Ok, the payment has been made. I hope this matter is now resolved.

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 09:46:40 pm
content: Settle down please Garry.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 09:51:51 pm
content: Quote from: TopLoser on September 18, 2015, 09:46:40 pmzzzzZZZZZzzzzz Im settled., is it time for breakfast yet ?.

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 10:24:32 pm
content: Quote from: Deathwish on September 18, 2015, 09:51:51 pmShouldn't you have spent the evening cheering for Fiji?

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 18, 2015, 10:31:57 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on September 18, 2015, 10:24:32 pmFiji , why ?, whats occurring, some sort of footie or rugby match. I am not into sports, spend most of my time on my back ill or in my chair staring at pcb's and such.

author: TiN
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2015, 12:50:27 am
content: What is the point of buying meter (even with discount) to immediately sell it?To get some 100eur profit? Time wasted on this matter usually cost more than that for most of people discussing this here...

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2015, 12:55:27 am
content: I agree. And selling it outisde the EU may make it even less attractive due to shipping, VAT and import charges.

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2015, 05:52:31 am
content: Quote from: TiN on September 19, 2015, 12:50:27 amIn hindsight this would now seem like that. But as you might have guessed, this is more like a hobby for me and my main professional career is in completely another field.Anyway, like I said before, if it would come to selling it with loss or even break-even, I'd rather then keep the device. Endless fun measuring battery self-discharge with even 1 more digit precision!

author: OldSchoolTechCorner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2015, 10:53:32 pm
content: http://uk.farnell.com/keysight-technologies/34470a/digital-multimeter-bench-7-1-2/dp/2467509http://www.tequipment.net/Agilent/34470A/?gclid=Cj0KEQjwj_SvBRC7k4DfkLHiuMABEiQAvPOaqdxy_VstdT7ct-O8pzh_MrOLe8p7prHyMMgEpcxP84saAuPP8P8HAQhttp://www.keysight.com/en/pd-2520154-pn-34470A/digital-multimeter-7-digit-performance-truevolt-dmm?cc=US&lc=eng

author: lewis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2015, 11:56:58 pm
content: I'll give you 1200 euros for it, inc VAT, inc shipping to UK, via Paypal.

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2015, 08:53:01 am
content: Quote from: lewis on September 19, 2015, 11:56:58 pmThank you for the offer.

author: OldSchoolTechCorner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 01:00:52 am
content: Quote from: OldSchoolTechCorner on September 19, 2015, 10:53:32 pmWhy not just sell your HP/Agilent/keysight 34465A and use that to pay for the new meter. No offense meant, seem like your just buying it with no real need for it on impulse, just to have it, when you already have a very good meter. You can do with what you want with your money, just doesn't seem to be a wise decision. Then why would you use business credit, or attempt to for a hobby? It a waste of money at that point and consider grey area fraud in many regions. Then to try to sell the meter before even having ownership and in hand is not good business in general and sure put PRE-ORDER, if that what your intentions were. Better yet you sure give people the link to the source so they can buy direct, so they can have the same opportunity to buy one if it seems to be a decent discount during that time. Instead you tried to profit on others on a drop shipment, which isn't good.

author: dadler
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 01:59:56 am
content: Something isn't right here, use caution all.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 02:39:35 am
content: Quote from: TiN on September 19, 2015, 12:50:27 amSubstantially more than 100 Euro, but having seen the website in finland and the price he paid it is not so stupid.https://www.elfaelektroniikka.fi/elfa3~fi_fi/elfa/init.do?item=30-011-649&toc=0

author: hs3
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 06:25:15 am
content: I'm a bit surprised by many of the comments in this thread. It looked to me like the original post explained the situation quite well.Quote from: OldSchoolTechCorner on September 21, 2015, 05:16:13 amThat is probably true and it didn't seem to me very likely to sell for the asking price but I don't think anyone here is forced to buy? Or you could make an offer if actually interested.What is the Keysight warranty policy btw? Does it only apply to the original buyer?QuoteDepending of the stock situation the wait might be couple days? I'm sure a potential buyer would verify...And regarding why the original poster would buy it as a company in this case I think that would be the wise thing to do if you have the option as then you can still sell it without VAT added if applicable.So no comment on if this would have been a good deal or not at the asking price but was just a bit surprised by some of the comments...

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 08:20:30 am
content: QuoteSadly, I'm not.I agree with pretty much everything you said there, but I would also like to make the point that a company doesn't have to make 1000% profit every time (and, in fact, would be slagged off in here if it were known to make 1% extra, as can be seen from other threads). Sometimes you just want activity, possibly for tax reasons. A typical example is IR35 in the UK where you get assumed for tax purposes to be an employee of a long-standing client, and being able to show many clients gloes some way to disproving that. It that case it can be worth doing a job at basically cost just to have another client.

author: hs3
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 09:44:26 am
content: Earlier I noticed I was late and had to run so didn't have a chance to read through what I was going to post so wanted to add one more thing:Quote from: OldSchoolTechCorner on September 21, 2015, 05:16:13 amI didn't get the impression that he was going to use other than his own money for buying it? Well maybe his company's but in this case that would probably be pretty much the same thing. I assume we are not talking about some faceless corporation here.Also earlier I thought some of the comments here might have pushed him to make a not necessarily so thought through decision on actually buying it but sounds like he didn't make that bad deal even if he just keeps it for himself.Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 21, 2015, 08:20:30 amThat does seem to be true.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 10:07:26 am
content: Making 1% would be great for many companies. See for example how music/media companies work when it comes to sharing profits with artists.

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 01:30:26 pm
content: Hi everyone.Wow, I was not really expecting ruckus like this when I first started this thread. Yes, I was trying to make profit (as I think it is the premise of business operations) but it seems I was way over-estimating the market value of re-selling the 34470a as a newcomer here. In best case I could make a tiny profit, but most likely I would risk having to sell the device at a loss (which would be insane), or keeping it. In the latter case I could of course then sell the 34465A, but that "upgrade" would cost me 1000+ EUR, which for my use is not feasible. Expensive devices are still expensive, no matter how good discount you get.So, today I cancelled the order (and luckily got a full refund, since they didn't yet manage to ship it), so the deal's off.For those interested in purchasing the 34470A directly from Elfa Distrelec, you can keep an eye out for updates in the link that was posted here before (I assume they restock the unit there soon, possibly with the same discount I got). I'm not sure if they ship it outside Finland though, since that discount can be seen only in the their Finnish page.BTW. There are some other discounts there as well in case you're interested and are able to order them:https://www.elfaelektroniikka.fi/elfa3~fi_fi/elfa/init.do?page=home&prod_type=sellout&toc=19023&n_weeks=0https://www.elfaelektroniikka.fi/elfa3~fi_fi/elfa/init.do?page=home&prod_type=campaign&toc=18715&n_weeks=0https://www.elfaelektroniikka.fi/elfa3~fi_fi/elfa/init.do?page=home&prod_type=sellout&toc=19164&n_weeks=0https://www.elfaelektroniikka.fi/elfa3~fi_fi/elfa/init.do?page=home&prod_type=sellout&toc=24114&n_weeks=0Best regards,Neopticus(still happy 34465A owner)

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 05:16:56 pm
content: QuoteAFAIK, if you don't think a deal is very good (for you) there is no obligation to take it up just from having viewed it. You are perfectly at liberty to buy from a different source, or even just not buy anything at all.What appears to happen here is that people who have no intention of purchasing the thing take great delight in point out how shitty a deal is. There is really no point in that, other than to feel good about dissing the vendor. The really good ones (commenters) will note how cheaply X and Y can be purchased and put together, but never think of actually doing that to undercut the vendor. Armchair wannabe regulators, probablyIt is one thing to spill the beans about a conman or scammer. A not very good deal is just a not very good deal, and it will either remain unsold or someone will see it as a good deal for them, but harping on about alleged failings due to not even reading the vendors post properly does no-one any favours.

author: hs3
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2015, 05:21:40 pm
content: I'm not really sure why I'm posting in this topic still. For some reason I'm just feeling like I wanted to clarify what it looked like to me.Quote from: AcHmed99 on September 21, 2015, 04:06:03 pmNothing wrong I think and I didn't notice anyone complaining about that. Not even the OP.What I was personally surprised about was that there seemed to be several posters suggesting that they thought that what he was doing was somehow fraudulent. Maybe I missed something. Or maybe we are just interpreting the same messages differently.Oh and it seems we have a happy? new owner for that 34470A unit. I was curious so I checked the link earlier today and there was 1 back in stock again and soon after it was sold out again. So someone likely bought it for that 1630€.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2015, 09:05:52 am
content: QuoteYou asked what the point of posting near-list deals was, and I answered that question. This is a new question and my comment thus doesn't apply. Please don't try to make out it is a continuation.But onwards and upwards...On presumes you have heard of the phrase "good manners"? That should say it all, but apparently not. Tell you what, go and stand in your local corner shop and whenever someone picks something of a shelf tell them they can buy it cheaper at wherever else. I think the shopkeeper will pretty quickly teach you about mannersWhat's different here? Well, of course you are protected by that nice screen and hundred, if not thousands, of miles of cable. Make a big difference to some people. If you wouldn't do that stuff in a real shop, why do you think it's OK to do it here? Because you are invincible?If someone is happy with paying X for a thing, what concern is it of yours if they could have had it for X-50 or whatever? They are happy, or were - maybe you just made them unhappy! Still, I often pay more than Icouldpay for a number of reasons - the vendor, the ease of doing it, can't be arsed researching, etc. I am either happy to pay or I won't.Now, suppose you are really unhappy about the vendors price. Send him a PM and let him know that he might find it moves quicker if he reviews his price because it is available at this place for that much. He might thank you or ignore you, but that's life.OTOH, let's suppose you feel you really must let everyone know about this much better deal you know of. Post a new thread about it and take the hit of doing that. It's hardly onerous!

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2015, 09:18:17 am
content: dunkem, this isn't a shop, it's a forum. Besides which your analogy is terrible. Plenty of times I've been in a shop perusing something and another customer informs me of a better deal on another shelf, or marked down versions in the "to clear" aisle, and I've often done the same.Why, even the staff have told me I would be better off getting 3 because there is a 3 for 2 offer on, etc.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2015, 11:04:11 am
content: It's a market. That's why it's called 'Buy/Sell/Wanted', see: to differentiate it from the random wibble topics.QuoteStill no reason to act differently to when you're stood in front of the chap, which is what seems to happen. Kind of like you wouldn't eat with your mouth open at your Mum's but it's find at McDonalds.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2015, 12:19:21 pm
content: The reason this thread is a fail and people are being a little ticked off is because this is not some guy selling his used gear to fellow enthusiasts, but someone chancing his arm (actually the buyers arm) being a speculator. It was pretty blatant that this was not a normal sale hence the unusual interest. Everybody is reasonable to question the seller or point out flaws in his pitch.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2015, 12:26:57 pm
content: QuoteBy people wanting to buy, yes. People with no interest in buying haggling, though?Maybe it's attitude too. There is a way of saying "I don't understand your model here" (not that it's any of your business unless you are looking to buy, but...) and another way of doing it like this:QuoteDo you not see a difference? Rhetorical question: the answer is obviousQuoteHey, why doyoucare about what anyone pays or how they sell or any of that stuff? Eh?I care because the way y'all go about this just pisses off one side or the other and they then tend not to come back for more. Plus the place gets a reputation for ballbreaking and we miss some good stuff because people are afraid to post. [Yes, there is stuff I won't post here having seen the potential via previous transgressors. No, it's not selling (I am typically only a buyer).]

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2015, 12:55:33 pm
content: Indeed, many posts I would not stick my oar in when I could inform a buyer of a better deal as the seller is just one of us and that wouldn't be very sporting. The seller in this instance was not playing cricket old chap!

author: OldSchoolTechCorner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2015, 01:07:04 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 22, 2015, 09:05:52 amSomeone that goes to convenience shop is more likely not going to expect the same deals that they would expect from a big chain grocery store. Hence the term "convenience". So zero point telling someone that you can get a better deal elsewhere, as they more likely already know that. It a whole another story to come on a forum and tell someone you can get them a deal on something, but in reality it's not and they were clearly trying to profit without actually having the item in hand.This is a forum, not eBay, or craigslist, it a place where other with same interests meet to talk about that interest, trade and help others out. So to be expected if something thinks someone trying to clearly profit off someone else without having that item even in hand, to tell them they are in the wrong, or post link to better deals. At the same time is still a manner of opinion. As if someone want to still buy that item and think it still a good deal they can.Being protected by a nice screen and hundred, if not thousands, of miles of cable, doesn't make the a difference to me. As tell you, or anyone what ever come to mind that related to topic that being discuss in person to, why hold back? When it come to pursuing a item for sale, still going to try to negotiate a price, doesn't mean you have to accept that price as a seller and I have agree to that price as a buyer, hence negotiation. Not very wise to keep mouth shut and pay whatever, as then you may never know and could have receive a way better deal maybe even closer, but let just say for example when to different person as you didn't bother to ask person A if they will come down in price and just assume they won't. Now you go to person B which could a out a distant as sticker price was cheaper. Then you come to find out someone else got a better deal from person A, as they negotiated a better price. In other words the only way you are going to know something, is if you ask.If your into sales and you can't handle haggling, or criticism, then your in the wrong profession.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2015, 05:43:15 pm
content: If you sell something online there will always be someone who says the price is too high. Sometimes the person is right sometimes not.

author: Lajon
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2015, 08:07:59 am
content: Quote from: hs3 on September 21, 2015, 05:21:40 pmIndeed, someone didSlightly lower SEK price and 3% discount also, a total about 1940€ with VAT and shipping./Lars

author: neopticus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2015, 01:06:21 pm
content: Quote from: Lajon on September 25, 2015, 08:07:59 amHeh, I suspected it was someone on this forum. Congrats! That's a great machine and you got it for a fair price.