So, YouTube has shutdown Codys Lab, Yet again! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 07:25:55 pm
content: I don't know if any of you are Cody's lab fans, but I am and watch his channel regularly. He has been shut down a few times in the last year because of content, usually. The explosives from his mine videos and his chemistry experiments to make black powder are the ones getting flagged.What does this have to do with EevBlog? From my understanding, Dave is regularly getting videos flagged as well on YT.I guess my question to all of the folks on YT is the only answer is an alternate video platform than YT. Too much cost you say? Yes very expensive to start a platform like YT, but a consortium of YTers who have large channels; i.e. large viewer counts, could pool and buy an existing platform such as vidme or vimeo and utilize their existing infrastructure/name to build on.How to do this? Pool some of the monies from the YT income and have a group owned system with duly selected CEO on down the chain to run such organization with the stockholders voting through shares.That is one way, does anyone else have suggestions?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 08:22:52 pm
content: The shows that make most or all of their income from crowdsourcing like Patreon or Bitcoin donations should adopt tried and true Bittorrent as one system for content distribution. Next to no cost for either creators or viewers.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 08:52:38 pm
content: Dave did a video re: other streams. In fact, his videos are already on multiple platforms. But, in the end, he says that YouTube is far and away the platform of choice.Dave's videos get restored, they aren't showing kids how to make explosives. There are things that are better off being banned and kudos to YouTube for taking some responsibility - even if they overreact from time to time.Dave also did a video on Patreon where he decries the shifting of fees from the recipient to the donor. I agree with him. If I want to donate, say, $10, I don't care how much the recipient actually nets. What I don't want to see is a charge on my credit card for $13.95 for a $10 donation.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 10:01:22 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on February 04, 2018, 08:52:38 pmCody was showing how to make potassium nitrate if you have some pee and a couple of months to spare, if kids want to make gunpowder at any realistic time frame or quantity they could look it up a million other places

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 10:23:00 pm
content: Destroying knowledge for the fear of who can access it in a place such as the internet helps nobody. At best someone gets it elsewhere. At worst, you get the Streisand effect.Most of what Cody does would require some serious commitment to perform, and could be learned by just going to a library, and opening up the right chemistry book. He is entertaining, educational, and one of the best YouTubers on the platform.This isn't even Google doing any of this, it's their AI. They make experimental changes to it and watch as it goes off to terrorize the village while the painfully slow support teams have to clean up the mess. While I, as a general rule, like Google, this is a perfect example of Google quality.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 11:34:20 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on February 04, 2018, 08:52:38 pmYes. Only an fool would leave Youtube if they are doing this full time.By all means put your videos on other channels as well, but Youtube is still the only game in town.QuoteGood thing they reversed that. Dumbest move ever.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 11:35:40 pm
content: Quote from: TwoOfFive on February 04, 2018, 10:23:00 pmYes, it's not like someone high up in Youtube has decided to ban Cody's channel, it's a largely automated system in a huge ocean of content.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 11:38:26 pm
content: BTW, his channel is still up for me?Curiously though, check out the URL:What does disable_polymer mean?EDIT: Found it, it means disable the new theme.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 11:40:45 pm
content: The channel is up but he is unable to upload new content

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 04, 2018, 11:46:04 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on February 04, 2018, 11:40:45 pmAh, yep:

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 12:11:20 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 04, 2018, 11:38:26 pmHis channel still exists, but if you watch his second channel where he discuses the problem, he says that he can't upload videos. This is the second time this has happened in the last few months.My point is that with so many videos getting banned by the YT AI system, it could be viable to build up another site with many of the top YTers supporting the site and building it with their content and dollars to create the bandwidth and infrastructure to compete, maybe to a smaller extent than mighty Google/YT, but would possibly be a wakeup to YT that it is possible to have viable competitors.I definitely agree that there are no existing sites that can compete, but if high volume YTers that are getting tired of things like this happening to them broke off and became a unified group of supporters and created a group company that provided the dollars to build on another existing video site, that the actual video producers would have direct say in how the site is operated.YouTube is still viable, but since I created my channel in early 2017, the rules and regulations have changed tremendously in just under a year.I am simply looking for ideas that would make a competing video site to YouTube possible, as there is no way that with the momentum and popularity of YT will be diminished, but for sites like Cody's, it is informative as well as entertaining, yet the mighty YT AI machine has stopped him again from uploading videos.I welcome opinions about how well YT is received in the world and how a big YT channel would be foolish to leave, but I thought I would throw out a request for suggestions as to how to build a similar platform as YT. The issue that I am seeing from a couple of YT channels that I watch is videos are being forced down for various reasons, and in Cody's case, he is not allowed to upload for some period of time. I am getting lots of opinions so far but few other suggestions as to how a competing website could get going. Dave has mentioned that EEVBlog has had a number of videos that he had to take down as well.So, please, with all of the combined intelligence of the users of this forum, there should be some very good ideas about how a competing YT-like website could be achieved.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 12:30:06 am
content: Quote from: tpowell1830 on February 05, 2018, 12:11:20 amHow many multiples of $10 million do you suppose it would take to create the physical infrastructure? Where would the money come from? Right now, content providers need to spend money on cameras, microphones and editing software. Creating an alternate stream takes hardware - all over the world. It's not like you can set up this hardware in a basement somewhere. I have no idea how much bandwidth they pay for but I'll bet it's substantial.Then there is the need for staff. Who's going to front the money? Venture capitalists want to see a business plan and competing with YouTube ain't it.I suppose advertisers might be interested in having their ads on another platform but there is no guarantee of that. They may be perfectly happy just paying into YouTube.

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 12:55:00 am
content: Quote from: rstofer on February 05, 2018, 12:30:06 amWell, commenting on my comment was not what I had in mind, but since you asked, I guess I am not being clear enough with my idea.There are thousands of YT channels and if enough of them banded together and made contributions to the main company that runs the new site, that is where the money would come from.Just as a for instance, out of the millions of channels on YT, if 10,000 channel runners banned together to pool their money, the initial contribution by each would be small. $10,000,000/10,000=$1000.But that is my idea, what is yours?

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 01:24:57 am
content: I don't really have a plan; I don't have any skin in the game. I have watched Dave's tutorial videos and a couple of Calculus related channels and, beyond that, it's just an occasional click. I'm just not a big time user of YouTube.I don't have Twitter, Snapchat or Facebook accounts either. Nor do I follow any.If you think you can get 10,000 YouTube users to fund an alternate platform, go for it! I would expect some providers to bitch and moan but I just can't see them taking money out of their pocket to fund another platform. Why should they? They're all making money just the way it is. Sure, there's the odd inconvenience and it certainly takes some effort to get sites (or videos) restored but it all seems to work out. They would have the same problem with the new platform as soon as it went public and they had responsibility for what they serve.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 01:38:13 am
content: Quote from: tpowell1830 on February 05, 2018, 12:11:20 amI have never had to take down a single video ever.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 01:39:24 am
content: Quote from: rstofer on February 05, 2018, 01:24:57 amThe Youtubers who participated would eat themselves alive with different opinions on how it should be done.

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 02:03:10 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 05, 2018, 01:39:24 amAs I said in my previous comment, the newly formed company would hire someone to be in charge, and abide by the decisions made. Then if a decision goes against the majority of stakeholders, as in most companies, cooler heads would pull a vote from shareholders to keep the best interest of video channels in mind, of course with the monetary balance thrown in the mix.I don't know if my idea will work, but, again, I am asking others for ideas here. My idea is one of many possible methods for making this happen.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 02:14:41 am
content: To build another YouTube platform will be way too hard.Other ideas:1. Make an open letter, sign it electronically by millions and millions of subscribers, then ask YouTube for an audience to discuss the issue.2. Educate people and authorities to stop being and behaving paranoid about security regulations. Security is just an illusion and, anyway, locking down ourselves is not the right way to increase security.3. Vote more carefully.4. Learn from historyhttp://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 02:17:21 am
content: QuoteI think it wouldn't. Not because of the lack of money, nor because of the lack of infrastructure - both of these are surmountable (at least in theory). Nor because of the lack of will, although I would suggest that talk is a lot easier than doing so you'd need a LOT of willNo, the reason I think it wouldn't be viable is because you'll hit exactly the same issue as YouTube and be taking down the same videos. It's not YouTube per se that's against explosives videos but our governments that lean on the likes of YouTube to prevent any possibility of terrorist benefit. You might as well propose an alternative pron service because rudetube takes down kiddy videos.YouTube is doing this to cover its ass, and you'll end up doing pretty much the same.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 02:25:01 am
content: I can just imagine how happy a content provider to a new video streaming service would be to get an email like:"Congratulations! You just got 50 million views following that story on national TV about your son with the cute kitten. Please pay us $10,000 for the bandwidth".It is easy to say a new company would never do that, but someone has to pay. Unless you can afford to shell out millions or billions for the first 5 years while the company is trying to become financial, you will have to operate in a way that is paid for from the start.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 02:33:16 am
content: Quote from: rstofer on February 05, 2018, 12:30:06 amThis is HUGE part of it, if not the biggest part.There is no point having a competing platform if it has no ad revenue infrastructure. And that's not just the infrastructure, it's the human resources to go along with that, i.e. the ad people on staff with the contacts to make it happen.Otherwise there are plenty of of platform to move to if you are happy with just you Patreon income or whatever.

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 02:39:14 am
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on February 05, 2018, 02:14:41 amThanks ROGeorge for your ideas.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 05:21:40 am
content: Quote from: rstofer on February 05, 2018, 12:30:06 amHow about P2P for next to no cost with very good scalability?

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 05:44:31 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on February 05, 2018, 05:21:40 amThat would mean that every video you watch you have to store on your hard drive. Then you get other people using up huge amounts of your bandwidth. For all the people on ADSL, it could just about kill your internet. Also p2p does not guarantee speed - something crucial for watching video.I wouldn't sign up for that.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 06:14:00 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on February 05, 2018, 05:21:40 amCrowd and cloud thingy are not the solution for every problems ....

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 08:32:41 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on February 05, 2018, 06:14:00 amP2P is not cloud, if anything it's "uncloud". And crowdsourcing does supply a significant amount of revenue to many online shows. The percentage of viewers contributing by simply leaving a program running at basically no cost (even negligible on power if they use something like a Raspberry Pi) would be much larger than those making paid donations.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2018, 10:12:57 am
content: One public perception problem we have here is that the MSM won't lift a finger to do anything that might "fix" YouTube, and without such a kick, and being the only game in town, YouTube won't lift a finger to fix itself.The MSM are sh!t scared of the impact of new media like YouTube, and as such are only interested in narrative that will deliver a negative impact on their competitors.This is precisely why we're in the position we're in right now, continuous and relentless attacks from the MSM discrediting YouTube so advertisers are less likely to spend funds with YouTube and more likely to spend their budget with traditional media.[As an aside, perhaps I've been naive, but until quite recently, I viewed MSM journalism as generally being purveyors of truth, albeit being choosy as to what they covered, and with the odd rotten apple journalist who always looked for bad news in every story. Nowadays, frankly I distrust the MSM vehemently, particularly in their deliberate misrepresentation of stories for their own narratives whatever they may be. The turning point for me came with blatant misrepresentation in the coverage of the Damore memo, but more recently the now infamous Channel 4 News interview with Jordan Peterson has shown up the MSM's Emperor's clothes in all their glory.]