Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's - Page 1
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author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 09:29:03 am
content: MSO capable 12 bit models 70, 100 and 200 MHz. 2 and 4ch versions.Western market release 28 Feb 2024120k WFPS2 GSa/sENOB *1 (typical) 8.4-bit7" Touch display with mouse support, 1024x600 resolutionUp to 100 Mpts mem depthI2C, SPI, UART, CAN and LIN decoding4 Math traces2 Mpts FFTBode PlotWebserver, supporting mouse and keyboard.NTP support.Options25 MHz AWG = External module16ch digital channels = External modulePower AnalysisSiglent videoDefpom review:Tony Albus compares with a Rigol DHO924https://int.siglent.com/products-overview/sds800hd/https://siglentna.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds800x-hd-digital-storage-oscilloscope/https://www.siglenteu.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds800x-hd-digital-storage-oscilloscope/Datasheethttps://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/24_02_23/SDS800X%20HD_Datasheet_EN01B.pdfFirmware downloads:https://int.siglent.com/download/firmwares/?ProId=74POI listDetailed functionality review:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sds800x-hd-review-demonstration-thread/Setting up the SDS800X HD for first use:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds800x-hd-12-bit-dsos-coming/msg5577481/#msg5577481Tek scope cart mod for SDS800X HD models:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/scope-cart-mod-for-siglent-sds8xx-series/SDS814X HD BW test:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds800x-hd-12-bit-dsos-coming/msg5322596/#msg5322596https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sds800x-hd-actual-use-cases/More info to be released as it becomes available.

author: Antonio90
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 09:33:12 am
content: Won't this be stepping right over the SDS1000X HD?First look differences are just screen size, 50 Ohm and probe attenuation detection.Memory, sampling rate and bandwith stay the same, ¿right?

author: sebyon
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 09:34:15 am
content: Quote from: Antonio90 on November 27, 2023, 09:33:12 amI think it was mentioned that the SDS1000X HD series would have updated specs compared to the eastern market.

author: Antonio90
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 09:41:26 am
content: Quote from: sebyon on November 27, 2023, 09:34:15 amYes, but the old SDS1000X HD had only 1GS/s sampling rate, and a few other things were upgraded too. The current "headline" basic specs are the same for the 800 and the 1000 series.Edit: There might be quite a few more differences of course, like number of math channels, digital filters, FFT sample size, etc. Still, if the price is reasonable this is going to compete quite nicely against the new Rigol scopes.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 09:44:02 am
content: The empire strikes back...

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 09:55:10 am
content: "SDS800"?They must be feeling the burn.Quote from: Antonio90 on November 27, 2023, 09:33:12 amMaybe too little, too late.Rigol is eating their lunch right now.

author: Antonio90
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 10:33:04 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 27, 2023, 09:55:10 amThey are a few months late to the market, and the name is... interesting.But I am actually relieved to see a more or less direct competitor in the entry level, as competition is what got us hobbyists all these great entry level 'scopes in the first place.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 10:50:36 am
content: Quote from: Antonio90 on November 27, 2023, 09:33:12 amSure, it's an interesting development.SDS1000X-E on steroids is how I see 800X HD and now with lower prices for X-E, just where 800X HD will fit between 10" display 1000X HD and lower cost X-E will be interesting.More choices is always good except for when we need invest in stocking them.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 10:52:36 am
content: The next milestone after the successful SDS1000X-E series, for all the ones on a budget who are serious about electronics T&M.

author: pope
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 12:17:26 pm
content: the 1104x-e is only 2-channel math right?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 01:35:24 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 27, 2023, 09:55:10 amRigol is embarrassing themselves with their debacle of release.Wait until in 6 months "your precious" scope is is till in the same state of unfinished...And enter this scope that is more powerful than DHO4000 if 200 MHz BW is enough for you...And history repeats ......

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 01:49:31 pm
content: Quote from: pope on November 27, 2023, 12:17:26 pmYes.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 02:23:26 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on November 27, 2023, 01:35:24 pmI only know 4 bugs in my DHO804 and all are in the "just an annoyance" category. None of them prevent me from working.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 02:29:46 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on November 27, 2023, 02:07:42 pmThis new 'scope is just asking to be flamed - they copied the model number, they seem to be dumping the 1000 series, they're going to miss Xmas... it must be desperate times at Siglent HQ.

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 02:35:42 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 27, 2023, 02:29:46 pmIt's you who likes to flame, personally if I have to choose between Rigol and Siglent I prefer the latter. The sample rate is higher in the SDS800X and lets see how is the accuracy and others.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 02:37:02 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on November 27, 2023, 02:07:42 pmHow is not releasing unfinished product embarrassing?As for stirring discussions why don't you ask your buddy Fungus why is that so..He has no intention to buy anything Siglent. When I sad he comes to Siglent topics only to troll I was called out as wrong..What was aggressive in my tone, pray tell?Fact that that DHO1000 you are about to receive has bugs in basic triggering after a more than a year..??And bunch of other unfinished stuff..In a ANOTHER year we'll see how much stuff they will fix..I wish you luck.I get this apologetic " there are no real bugs" while in bug topic list keeps on getting longer, and reported by same people that say there aren't any.."These are not the droids you're looking for..."

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 02:40:17 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 27, 2023, 02:29:46 pmYou are the only one who is desperate. Why, I have no idea..

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 02:50:35 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on November 27, 2023, 02:37:02 pm* The word "debacle".* The Gollum reference ("your precious")* The word "unfinished".* The dig at other Rigol models.* The line about "history repeats"PS: If you want "unfinished", look up the thread where Siglent was posting little bags of capacitors to their customers.THATis "unfinished", not a post-launch firmware update.ALLoscilloscopes have bugs and you know it. There's a bug thread on EEVBLOG for every model that gets released.The only thing I mentioned is that Siglent probably didn't have to copy Rigol's model numbering system, but they did. You've got to admit that's funny.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 02:53:49 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on November 27, 2023, 02:49:16 pmYep, announcing "We also have a HD model! Wait for us!!" after Rigol releases their DHO1000 isn't helping anybody.PS: This new model isn't in the shops either. How long should we wait for this one?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 03:01:37 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 27, 2023, 09:29:03 amNo indicative price yet?I'm betting it's expensive - they don't have an ASIC.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 03:04:06 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 27, 2023, 09:29:03 amRigol goes to 250.Quote from: tautech on November 27, 2023, 09:29:03 amRigol goes to a million even on their entry-level model.Quote from: tautech on November 27, 2023, 09:29:03 amOKQuote from: tautech on November 27, 2023, 09:29:03 amNot impressed.PS: What's in note *1?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 03:07:25 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 27, 2023, 02:50:35 pmAggression :"Feelings of anger or antipathy resulting in hostile or violent behaviour; readiness to attack or confront."Coming to topic that has NO relation to you asking for confrontation is definition of you.My statements are true. Your behaviour towards your Rigol scope is beyond simple owner bias. 4 scopes were released unfinished. That is debacle for a serious company like Rigol. They have a track record of releasing half made products.I went to Siglent EU page. I don't see any announcements of SDS800X HD or SDS1000X HD.Fact that people get excited by what gets posted on Chinese page for domestic release is not official statement of Siglent.As for 800 series, Siglent has 800 series for years. And they wanted to make distinction to new 1000X HD series.As for lineup naming, it is actually quite consistent in 12 bit line...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 03:09:41 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 27, 2023, 03:04:06 pm1 no it does not.2. only in specific setting in useless UltraAcquire mode.3. Respect.4. Better than "more than 8"..

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 03:17:16 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on November 27, 2023, 03:09:41 pmOnly if you know their definition of "typical" and what the caveat in note 1 is.Quote from: 2N3055 on November 27, 2023, 03:09:41 pmDoes it acquire or doesn't it?

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2023, 03:41:06 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on November 27, 2023, 02:49:16 pmI think you're confusing something here. There has never been any official announcement of an SDS1000X HD.Tautech always likes to keep us informed and once started a thread about a newly released scope in China, without any international release date proposal. That's all.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1000x-hd-coming/Of course there have been plans to release this scope in the rest of the world some day, but Siglent never communicated a release date. And anybody following the thread linked above would have noticed that there was some major redesign going on. The instrument that might get released in the first quarter of 2024 is not the same anymore which got released 6 months ago in China. The difference is not just firmware.