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Forum section: electronics / general

author: vaneenbergen
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 11:04:43 am
content: Rant about all the guys trying to make free anergy with magnets.joost

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 11:22:37 am
content: magnet is the only thing i know that can resist gravitational force indefinitely upon a metal object.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 11:43:58 am
content: yes there are lots of scams around, ignorance feeds scams and to be honest anyone that gets caught up in a scam that basically promises to make power / energy from nothing deserves to get caught.In this world an universe until proven otherwise: nothing (energy or matter) is neither created or destroyed, everything is transformed. If you keep this basic statement in mind you will never go wrong.I'm sure it would make an entertaining rant though - knowing our Dave

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 11:59:22 am
content: like wind and water energy, magnet seems to have its own special property to generate/transform energy. i was imagining of a hovering transportion that need not a drop of fuel get off the ground. we just use the fuel to move around, like the normal car, except with greatly reduced friction force, if we can harness the magnet property. its been done in Japanese highspeed railway system, its just its required huge amount of electrical energy to hover the train.

author: joelby
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 12:06:37 pm
content: Quote from: shafri on October 07, 2010, 11:59:22 amThat's not quite true. You can make a train (or anything else) hover indefinitely for free using permanent magnets, within the limits of train weight and magnet strength, but then there'd be no way to propel it. If superconducting electromagnets are employed, energy is required.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 12:11:00 pm
content: Just occasionally though it seems you can extract more than you think is possible:http://www.fasterthanthewind.org/Dave.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 12:25:50 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 07, 2010, 12:11:00 pmtwo things in my mind 1) we must ride facing the wind 2) hope nobody is nearby, otherwise it will be worst than arc flash incident!Quote from: joelby on October 07, 2010, 12:06:37 pmi think i've remembered it incorrectly. its the electrical energy is used to propel. the only thing that this thing is rely on a track, it will be wonderfull if we dont need any. well, maybe we just leave it to Stephen Hawkin to design.

author: vaneenbergen
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 12:42:46 pm
content: A magnet only has potentional energy, like gravety is to a water fall.once water is doen you'll need energy again to move it up.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 01:02:03 pm
content: Quote from: vaneenbergen on October 07, 2010, 12:42:46 pmpheonix (jean) controls gravity, everything metals and non metals.magneto controls magnet, metal only.so magnet can only reverse potential energy of metals.so far none can reverse gravitational... naturally. probably perharps when the "antimatter" knowledge has been established.

author: vaneenbergen
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 01:16:19 pm
content: reacting to magnetic forces depends on the electron spin and electron configuration in the atom.atleast that is what i learned from chemistry, please correct me if i'm wrong.still i don't trust any of the youtube video's on generating free energy by rotating magnets.either they show you only half of the machine, they are exiting the machine or it slowes down.none of the machines really have a load hooked on them.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 01:33:29 pm
content: well ok. now i get what you meant. checked in the youtube free energy magnet pop out some interesting videos. i think thats highly possible! since i've seen a toy gift looks like a pendulum with magnet below, and the pendulum keeps oscillating indefinetely, with proper setup (metal and magnet) we can create free energy motion generator.i think this is how its done in the very early stage of the development..

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 05:37:51 pm
content: well... for the past few hours since my post above. all i did is a quest for this free energy thing. i'm back and nobody responded?this is what i found:1) LT Magnet free energy motorhttp://lt-magnet-motor.com/index1.html2) Over Unity Theory (sound like challenging the law of Physics)i even search in ebay forhttp://cgi.ebay.com.my/30-Neodymium-Magnets-1-4-x-1-2-DIAMETRIC-Cylinder-/360280554698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e264fccacould be a fun project, but... is it for real? or unreal? anybody with experience?

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 05:54:26 pm
content: Not at all metals are magnetic or react to magnets with the same magnitude.It is based on the electron spin but is also based on unfilled orbitals resulting in unpaired electron spins. This creates an net magnetic moment. An electron spin is not really analogous to the traditional mechanical spin. Its discretely characterized into up and down, which is where the pairing comes from. This is called ferromagnetism and is the strongest type of magnetic response which is more than likely the focus of most magnetic energy harvesting concepts.edit:On a side note, most of the people out there preaching free energy concepts are not claiming to get energy from nothing. They call it 'energy harvesting'. They are claiming to harvest free energy which in reality does exist all around us. Metallurgy and other fields are really the only limitations to what we can essentially harvest. While this notion might seem crazy to some, they are still the kind of ideas that turn into revolutionary break throughs that vastly impact technology and societies. Its easy to call such people quacks. Its even easier to forget that a lot of the men responsible for some of the most important advances in science which became the basis for integral technological advancements usually had half the scientific community calling them quacks for their thinking.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 06:55:05 pm
content: At least we've not had any of these retard free energy evangelists preaching here.I think the most annoying types are those who will not back down and make pathetic attempts to baffle everyone on the forum with a pseudoscience.

author: JohnS_AZ
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 07:18:21 pm
content: QuoteI wouldn't rant against the guys who are trying, I'd rant against the guys who claim that they have succeeded.I find it really funny: Imagine you work hard for ages experimenting and finally get your magnets set up right and you have a working magnet-based genset that actually provides usable power. What would be your next step?Somehow I doubt that you'd type it up and start selling the plans on the net for 10 bucks.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 09:47:37 pm
content: Here's the kind of thread I'm talking about.http://www.electro-tech-online.com/alternative-energy/42388-stanley-meyers-zero-point-energy.htmlLol, I got given a warning from the pussy administrator for implying firewater is ignorant so I had to rephrase my post to use more politically correct language.

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 10:12:35 pm
content: Yes, that thread is annoying. I only read the first string of posts but there was no argument for the science of it. Its just your typical brainless fanatics screaming conspiracy.I would like to get my hands on "Tapping Zero Point Energy" since zero point energy does exist but "tapping" it is where the violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics comes from.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2010, 11:46:06 pm
content: Quote from: JohnS_AZ on October 07, 2010, 07:18:21 pmfrom my quick search last night, there are some speculation that the governments and some oil companies are not ready for this kind of renewable energy, so maybe they are keeping this in the secret chamber for later use (when the oil exhausted i guess) and shutting down everyone trying to make this into public. maybe they just try to slow down technology as most profit makers do10 bucks? well, i could have wasted more than that on other useless pathetic stuffs. maybe i just can consider it as donation and in return i will get (probably a crappy one) a small piece of information. the neo-mag in ebay are not so that pricey as well (not like gossen energy one), maybe i can start transforming into quacks?ps: man! everyday got a new thing, there are so much to do! if only i can clone myself!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2010, 12:43:37 am
content: Quote from: shafri on October 07, 2010, 11:46:06 pmThey are not ready, have have been, never will be.But I doubt anyone is hiding anything, the best and most affordable/profitable technology will eventually always win out.No one has had the foresight to plan for the demise of cheap fossil fuel, but things are changing very rapidly. Even Obama came out and said America must wean itself off it's dependence on oil.Dave.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2010, 02:56:44 pm
content: so i could be a quack quack then! with the other youtubers that posted the free energy thing. and all of it are just a SCAMS?

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2010, 02:59:06 pm
content: Quote from: shafri on October 08, 2010, 02:56:44 pmI am not sure scam is the right word. Its more like dellusions.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2010, 04:17:54 pm
content: the thing is they get these things to work but never demonstrate the energy in and the energy out, that video you posted shafri was interesting but the guy obviously has not demonstrated how much power it is getting out and how much he is putting it. I am a little baffled as to why we can't use permanent magnets instead of electromagnets in motors but then i suppose if it really could be done somebody would have

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2010, 04:49:19 pm
content: Quote from: Time on October 07, 2010, 10:12:35 pmYes the second law is often harder for people to understand that the first but it's common sense if one gives it enough thought.The classic article he links to describes a capacitor connected to diode via resistor, the idea being the voltage generated by the thermal noise will charge the capacitor. Why bother with the diode and the capacitor? Just connect a universal motor to the resistor and it should spin.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2010, 08:59:45 am
content: Quote from: Time on October 08, 2010, 02:59:06 pmi eventually directed (while googling) to some sites selling kits or instruction for that. those people might the one who put the videos in youtube so we can believe this thing is actually working.but anyway, i think "quack quack" i will be. i've been eyeing on some ebayerhttp://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290427729851&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:AU:1123for neodymium magnets grade N45. I've never seen or have a magnet so small but so strong infront of my eyescomplete with its horror movie (warning) of what it can do when you get in between

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2010, 01:50:02 am
content: quack quack the duck! bump! it hit the wall! dreams on, alot of scam out there...sorry, i just wanna KIT with this threadi'm waiting my neo-mag from ausie.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 17, 2010, 08:31:02 am
content: well that last video is bolocks the thing hardly moved and it is supposed to have surplus energy to drive a generator ?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2010, 10:40:44 am
content: Quote from: Simon on October 17, 2010, 08:31:02 amdont push it hard Simon... this is just "the beginning". if it cannot generate anything anyhow, then i'll love it just as a decoration, will be a nice toy that will spin indefinetely "powerless".

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 17, 2010, 10:53:20 am
content: well it should have magnets at least on the rotor not screws, I mean that guy is way behind. the other ideas look like something meaningful in comparison

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2010, 02:05:34 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on October 17, 2010, 10:53:20 amthats cool you know. using just screws (bare metal, not the rare earth material). if its all magnets, then its a hell lot of magnets for the small device. i only order 50 mag from ebay, will not be sufficient to do this trick. i can provide you the more "too good to be true vids", but i'm not sure, someone may argue its scam... either me as well. so i prefer the "not too good" one. here some:type "free energy motor" in youtube. there are a lot more. Be happy!

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2010, 02:25:07 pm
content: this thing so far is unknown to science AFAIK from my limited googling. Who knows? maybe i can be the next "Faraday" or "Galileo".ps: look on the "screws" motor how its braking (losing momentum) and then gaining it back up while spinning. i think (but halfly believe) if the guy found out the right config, maybe we can have a new term of "electromagnetism resonance"

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2010, 03:02:09 pm
content: i cannot stand it. i have to let this in as well, different setup, since i believe a lot of nerdies here (if any) will be more interested at the "messing wires". someone mentioned "wire-wrap"?but be careful, the OP comment will led you to a "pay for kit" free energy motor site. thats the scam i was talking about, but who knows? i dont know.there are jargon somemore for this free energy... Perendev, Bedini motorgo figure!

author: TheWelly888
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2010, 03:46:05 pm
content: *sniff sniff* - "I smell bullshit! Yeah.... bullshit!"This "Free energy" motor works simply by the imbalances of magnetic attraction between the "stator" magnet and the rotor magnets. The passing magnetic fields from the rotor magnets appear as an alternating magnetic field to the "stator" magnet which will eventually demagnetise it!Besides I can't see this working a real load such as an alternator or a machine?

author: shadowless
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2011, 09:15:09 pm
content: Electrical bullshit cannot be detected with nose. You have to replicate it to prove that it doesn't work.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2011, 12:47:38 am
content: dont bring this up again! i know there's no such thing as free today. and most importantly, its a sensitive and tragic matter to me since i've lost my neomydium magnets! so i cannot prove or disprove it anymore.