Basic Soldering Lesson 1 - Old School - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 02:28:34 am
content: https://youtu.be/vIT4ra6Mo0s

author: P90
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 04:10:17 am
content: Wonder if those are Yihua irons? LOL

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 04:42:09 am
content: These Pace videos have been mentioned here before and they, despite being old, are my favourite and best soldering videos.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 04:22:33 pm
content: Quote from: P90 on May 14, 2017, 04:10:17 amHmmm, if only the company that made these videos had put their name or logo or something on them... Oh wait, they did.(And they're the company that more or less invented modern rework soldering equipment.)

author: Darren
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 04:37:14 pm
content: What is this soddering they speak of?

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 04:51:15 pm
content: Quote from: Darren on May 14, 2017, 04:37:14 pmIt's right here - check the pronunciation - you can hear it pronounced at the linkQuote

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 09:06:19 pm
content: Quote from: Darren on May 14, 2017, 04:37:14 pmDoanyEnglish people exist who don't get smug about the North American pronunciation of "solder"?

author: Darren
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 09:36:43 pm
content: I just sounds so wrong, not just that there is an 'L' in solder but sodder sounds like something the Catholic Church is famous for, or if you want to be a bit more politically correct it sounds like someone that lays lawns. Solder is from the Latin solidare "to make solid. To say sodder instead of solder would also mean you should also say sodid instead of solid. PS, not all Americans say sodder.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 10:04:58 pm
content: Let's clear up some misinformation.1. The English word "solder" actually derived from theFrenchsoudureand the Latin-derived L was added back to the written word later. So as is usually the case when British and American pronunciation have diverged over time, it's actually the American usage that has retained the original form. (For example, the contrasting "a" sounds in can and can't in British English is often trotted out as an example of American "laziness" in English, when in fact, British English used the same "a" sound in can and can't until long after the American colonies were established. The contrasting "a" was a change that happened later in British English only.)2. Do you pronounce the L in "walk", "talk", "half", etc? No? How about colonel? Lieutenant? Worcester? Cough? OK, so we've established that English doesn't have a 1:1 correspondence of spelling to pronunciation. (Cf.ghoti) And what about the many English accents that turn L into a W sound in many positions? (Thinkcold->cowd.)3. American English doesn't use the verb "sod" you're thinking of (we do have the noun for thepregrown grassto plant in the garden), so for us, it doesn't have the double-entendre it does for you.Quote4. Ummm, no. As explained, since the word "solder" didn't come directly fromsolidare, but from the (already L-less) Frenchsoudure, there's no direct process that led to the loss of the L sound within English. Moreover, in your example, the word "solid" doesn't contain the "ld" combination at issue. If anything, it would besolid->sod. But no way would it becomesodid.5. Yep, some Americans pronounce the L in solder because they're pronouncing it phonetically. So you do hear it sometimes, but it's considered non-standard in American English.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 10:21:00 pm
content: Quote from: Darren on May 14, 2017, 09:36:43 pmSo every letter in a word must be sounded out, according to your thinking?How do you pronounce these words -pneumaticlistenaislecolumn... (I could go on)I rest my case.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2017, 11:27:31 pm
content: No matter how it's pronounced,some can do it with a firestick and some can't , not even with a $1000 "soldering station".

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2017, 11:19:24 pm
content: At the end of the day, the word isSOLDERwith an Lnot SODDER, SATA or SAR-DUR (evil ruler of the galaxy?)Many thanks to some of the better Youtubers for making the effort to say'SOLDER'in their videosIt really is appreciated and doesn't sound weird in the middle of a full on repair vid

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2017, 11:23:10 pm
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on May 16, 2017, 11:19:24 pmUh no, sorry not accepted.Not all letters in many words are pronounced, but you knew that right?But in case you didn't, see my post above because you obviously missed it.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2017, 11:40:03 pm
content: Quote from: xrunner on May 16, 2017, 11:23:10 pmOn the contrary, I did read your fine postBut it needs to be sorted out once and for all,it's either universally pronounced SOLDER or SODDER, and I'm easy either way to pronounce either, based on what the majority decide.But I will have to stock up on lame excuses to supply inquisitive people why I write down the word SOLDER and yet pronounce it SODDERTime for an EEVblog poll perhaps ?

author: P90
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2017, 12:59:46 am
content: sodder sounds dirty.soLder sounds right. Even the early 936 clones git it right, it said "SOL DERING" on the unit...

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2017, 09:56:59 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on May 16, 2017, 11:19:24 pmQuote from: Electro Detective on May 16, 2017, 11:19:24 pmWell, no. The English language supports (in the sense of feature set) a) silent letters, and b) multiple pronunciations for a given word. Unless you're willing to exciseallwords from your vocabulary whose pronunciation doesn't match the spelling, then your argument is not valid.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2017, 10:16:44 am
content: Quote from: tooki on May 17, 2017, 09:56:59 amWhere is the hard and fast rule in the English language that specifies people should still blindly support the ludicrous practice of not pronouncing letters that are there?Imagine the violence erupting at a cattle auction when the auctioneer points at the highest bidder and shouts "SOD!" instead of SOLD

author: yada
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2017, 10:54:21 am
content: Way to go making something so simple so complicated. I think soldering pipes is harder then electronics. Ever had a pin hole leak in a hot water tank pipe? You have to drain the entire house's water pipes all over again. For some reason I can remember stuffing bread in the pipes, but then again I used to drink a lot and I could have just been fucking about.The trick for me is apply the solder to the part, not the tip and touch a bit of solder to it to transfer heat before you solder. The 1980's seem so old. Funny to think that to make that video now it could all be done by a kid on you tube, not a dozen people and thousands in equipment.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2017, 07:33:25 pm
content: Quote from: yada on May 17, 2017, 10:54:21 amThat's not a "trick", that's literally the most important lesson in soldering technique. You tin the iron tip to create a heat bridge, heat the work, and then apply solder to the work, not the tip. Soldering 101.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 17, 2017, 10:49:09 pm
content: This SOD-DER vs SOL-DER debate reminds me of the code/no code debate in ham radio circles.And just as interesting

author: SkyMaster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2017, 11:52:27 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on May 14, 2017, 09:06:19 pmThis isnotthe North American pronunciation of "solder".

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2017, 01:16:39 am
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on May 17, 2017, 10:49:09 pmI'm not familiar with that debate, can you give me an executive summary?

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2017, 08:33:40 am
content: Real men(and the few lurking real women)settle theSOD-DER vs SOL-DER debatewith an EEVblog pollAnyone up for it ?and while we're on the subject is the 'L' pronounced in 'EEVblog', or silent ?

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2017, 09:43:41 am
content: Quote from: tooki on May 18, 2017, 01:16:39 amIt's been a while since I was following ham radio circles, but I think the debate is around whether an amateur radio operator (a ham) needs to have fluency in Morse code to be considered capable. Arguments boil down to:Against: Morse code is obsolete, elitist, and unnaturalFor: Morse code is international, succinct, and highly efficient in bandwidth usage, which makes it capable of better transmission and reception in difficult signal environments and bands. It can also be reliably decoded by automatic trunks and recorders.But the debate is also silly because it's a question that didn't need to be asked. Obviously CW is suited for some purposes and not others.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2017, 04:37:46 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on May 14, 2017, 09:06:19 pmI guess we have the same problem with aluminum vs aluminiumThere are other examples...What's with the 'u' in color?

author: tablatronix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2017, 05:51:00 pm
content: Saying so(l)der and expressing the L makes it feel like my tongue just tripped and busted its ass on the sidewalk.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2017, 10:20:32 pm
content: Quote from: tablatronix on May 19, 2017, 05:51:00 pmThank you for explaining to the many many SOL-DER sayers scattered around the Earth,what a physical inconvenience it is to replace a duplicate, spare or backup 'D' with an 'L' plugin.Up till now there has been silence on the SODDER front defense/defence lines,and or questionably sourced/sauced research presented into the English language and its origins(and gradual decline)I am gracefully bowing out of any such future debate, content to be a fence sitter,and during those long Youtube viewing sessionsI will endeavour/vor to persevere with the Double Dwhich btw may have copyright on its use, overuse, or misuse by.. Dolby Labs ?

author: tablatronix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2017, 11:30:42 pm
content: Just saying thats what it feels like to me, you can say it how ever you want. Everyone speaks different, im from NYC a silent L is like 2 lifetimes long.