New Keysight DSOX / MSOX 3000G series? - Page 1
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author: ChrisBo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 06:23:05 pm
content: When surfing on Distrelec I found references to a Keysight DSOX / MSOX 3000Gseries... but couldn't find anything on Keysight's website.See attachment.It seems to be a 3000 series with many options already available in the standard pricing.Does anyone have further information?BR - Chris

author: Venturi962
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 06:29:33 pm
content: Interesting, looks like the same document is on the RS Website. Image Attached.

author: Domitronic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 06:30:00 pm
content: Looks like the same thing just with dark color at first glance.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 06:44:02 pm
content: Quote from: ChrisBo on April 08, 2022, 06:23:05 pmAnother rehash with the crappy short memory from the ASIC so meh.

author: TheSteve
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 08:08:14 pm
content: Looks nice in the new color. Appears it may include the LAN/WVGA card standard now.I am sure Daniel will share the full details when he can.Until then maybe he can find me an updated front deck, knobs etc so I can "update" my 1 GHz modded scope.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 08:13:53 pm
content: That has been in a making for a while...https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/dsox2000-and-3000-series-licence-have-anyone-tried-to-hack-that-scope/msg3617976/#msg3617976As I said before, I'm not surprised. They couldn't make anything really different that would fit into their strategy... Datasheet claim histograms and that is about all of the difference. Unless that is also mistake leftover from higher models in range. That happened before...You want more memory? Get EXR/MXRIf you read their material about EXR/MXR to me it seems like they did make new Megazoom 5 chipset. It is in EXR/MXR. And not really made for entry level scopes.They are really not interested in the low end market.

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 11:37:27 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on April 08, 2022, 08:13:53 pmIts only the waveform 2d histogram being flattened to 1d view, nice but not more general measurement histograms etc. It looks like a very slow walking down of features, adding that histogram and serial decode for free, just to try and stay competitive (overtaken by competitors by this point). Shame this is the 3rd variant with very little back porting to the older "3000" models, no option for paid enhancements/update.Quote from: Domitronic on April 08, 2022, 06:30:00 pmThe 1000 series moved operating system (windows CE to linux based) when going to the black colour scheme, who knows? Must be something driving a new model designator beyond just some software features.

author: Jay_Diddy_B
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2022, 04:02:24 am
content: Hi,TheGdesignation has been used in the past to indicate that the scope has a built in waveform generator, WaveGen. From the datasheet I believe the DSOX/MSOX 3000G series has the WaveGen built in.LAN 10/100 BaseT and WVGA Interfaces are standard.I2C, SPI, UART (RS232/422/485), I2S, and USB PD serialtrigger and decode, plus Measurement Limit Testing, MaskLimit Testing, Frequency Response Analysis (Bode plots),and Enhanced HDTV Video Analysis -Are included in the standard model.Jay_Diddy_B

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2022, 05:10:46 am
content: Quote from: Jay_Diddy_B on April 09, 2022, 04:02:24 amBoth previous 3000A and 3000T had generators built in. This seems to be, hardware wise, rehash of 3000T with some of the licenses standard and as you say with standard interfaces (which is something very inexpensive scopes come with standard today). So really an old scope and a bit adjusted marketing.It is, as always, bad and good news. People are disappointed they didn't make a new upgraded version fixing complaints of small memory and higher resolution screen.OTOH, my MSO-X 3104T retains value better, because new scope did not obsolete it in any way...Companies running these in ATE or in prescribed workflows won't have problems etc... etc...They are simply pulling same trick as Fluke 87V. They have customer base for it in a form as it is... As long as there is a demand for it in its current form, they'll keep making it.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2022, 01:50:52 pm
content: It does look nice in this darker color.

author: ChrisBo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 09, 2022, 07:58:07 pm
content: Interestingly, the offerings have disappeared from Distrelec's or RS's websites... I'm wondering when the official announcement will be.

author: Venturi962
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2022, 08:15:55 pm
content: Direct Links still seem to be there:https://www.distrelec.ch/en/infiniivision-3000g-2x-500mhz-5gsps-keysight-dsox3052g/p/30248293https://www.distrelec.ch/en/infiniivision-3000g-4x-500mhz-5gsps-keysight-dsox3054g/p/30247634

author: nfmax
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2022, 07:36:35 am
content: I suspect that, as customers just won’t stop buying 3000X scopes, and Microsoft no longer sell CE licenses, this is basically a B revision of the T series scopes, changing to Linux OS and adding a few new features as a sweetener. I would expect that, for the same reason, there won’t be many (any?) more updates of the T firmware.

author: ralphrmartin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2022, 03:38:26 pm
content: Maybe this model is the variant that automatically detects if the user is not a business user, and self-destructs...

author: TheSteve
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2022, 02:45:05 am
content: Quote from: nfmax on April 10, 2022, 07:36:35 amI know there was a push for Keysight to switch many things to Linux a while back. I kind of got the feeling they negotiated with MS to keep selling WinCE licenses - maybe to commercial/business users only...Have you seen anything that states the G series will be running Linux?

author: EE-digger
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2022, 07:14:23 pm
content: Just got a flyer from Test Equity pointing to all the new 3000G models. (same numbering sequences as always for bw, chan).Now I have to put every danged scope back in the closet for another 15 years until we go back to putty / PC bone color.The dark color graphics are nice looking BUT, the putty / ivory color is the color of most dirt. These dark scope will always look dust covered.Sounds like serial decoding and more features are standard now.added - histograms of noise and jitter seem to be free and are done in a manner similar to selection of a zone trigger region. You center the edge of your signal (clock, data) on screen, then draw a rectangle thru it. It looks like you get an x and y histogram graph at the left and top edges of the displayTo allay some fears about firmware, the option list shows the ultimate bundle D3000BDLB as an option. Same bundle as the 3000T. That's not to say, however, than when a non-G is found during fw update, new things may not be added.

author: npeter
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 03, 2022, 05:20:51 pm
content: I guess this will be the "scope to be released" mentioned at the bottom of Keysight Live from the Lab 2022 page:https://live.keysight.com/s/live-from-the-lab/home

author: ChrisBo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 08, 2022, 04:48:48 pm
content: One difference to the 3000T series I found on the website (see link): no bandwidth upgrade!https://www.keysight.com/ch/de/products/oscilloscopes/infiniivision-2-4-channel-digital-oscilloscopes/infiniivision-3000g-x-series-oscilloscopes.htmlSo you need to decide in advance...

author: electr_peter
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2022, 04:10:37 pm
content: 3000G is almost identical to 3000T. Case color is different, some options are standard and histogram* mode is added. Otherwise it is the same as 3000T.*Histogram has vertical, horizontal and measurement modes. Measurement histogram would be useful sometimes, but I am not sure of vertical/horizontal histogram value. Do other scopes have vertical/horizontal histogram?Manuals between 3000T and 3000G are identical except for few pages on histogram. Firmware files are identical byte to byte between T and G versions, leaving potential option for "upgrade".IOW: 3000T and 3000G are essentially the same.

author: onesystem
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2025, 04:11:38 pm
content: Not sure for how long now, but on keysight.com there are notices that state next to any 2000T 3000T versions - will be discontinued soon. Interestingly, "A" versions of scopes do not have that same notice.

author: TheSteve
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 05, 2025, 04:31:58 pm
content: Quote from: onesystem on March 05, 2025, 04:11:38 pmMakes sense I suppose - why sell the T model when they also sell the G model which is the exact same thing in a new color.

author: onesystem
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2025, 04:55:55 pm
content: I wonder... if these two models are practically the same except the plastic shell. Suppose the future updates should work on T models that are designed for G models. Difference would be more likely in some resistor that tells the FW which model it is...Next thing is to find an unlikely scenario of someone who has same model of T and G and do a board comparison - to find that slight difference that will allow good people to keep their T models "fresh".

author: TheSteve
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 05, 2025, 06:26:48 pm
content: I don't know if they would limit features based on the model. I think they are more likely to do it via software licensing.

author: onesystem
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2025, 10:14:54 pm
content: Quote from: TheSteve on March 05, 2025, 06:26:48 pmYou are right. The firmware packages are IDENTICAL, even the .bin is for T version in both ksx files. The only difference is the name of the .ksx file!And I can already imagine that in case of failure of T version and upon sending it for repair, Keysight will simply replace it with G version. It is even slightly cheaper on their website.Regarding pricing as of 5-Mar-2025... Are they trying to phase out A without openly discontinuing it? WHY is it slightly more expensive than the other two?:DSOX3014A Oscilloscope: 100 MHz, 4 ChannelsUS$ 6,330DSOX3014T Oscilloscope: 100 MHz, 4 Analog ChannelsUS$ 6,149DSOX3014G Oscilloscope: 100 MHz, 4 Analog ChannelsUS$ 6,295

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2025, 11:19:29 pm
content: Quote from: onesystem on March 05, 2025, 10:14:54 pm$6k for a 100 MHz DSO, what are they smoking when that amount of coin can get you a 4ch 1 GHz deep memory DSO !

author: euzer
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2025, 10:34:18 am
content: Quote from: tautech on March 05, 2025, 11:19:29 pm@tautech - What scope would you recommend as an alternative to the DSOX3014G (or MSOX3014G if available) ?Might even look to a >=200MHz model.We currently have a DSOX3014A with a DSOX3APPBNDL licence.Thanks.

author: Gribo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2025, 04:52:50 pm
content: Do you need PC software compatibility? Are you using the more exotic trigger modes? Are you using the logic analyzer? There are some really good alternatives at this price range, from R&S, Rigol, Siglent and even LeCroy.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2025, 05:19:45 pm
content: Quote from: euzer on May 12, 2025, 10:34:18 amHard to say without full consideration of your current and likely future needs.SDS3034X HD is certainly worth a look.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2025, 05:50:05 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on March 05, 2025, 11:19:29 pmOh, why...100 MHz, 2 Mpts memory, 8.5” 800x480 screen... That's not so bad for the money.

author: euzer
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2025, 10:33:29 am
content: Quote from: tautech on May 12, 2025, 05:19:45 pmThanks for the suggestion 👍.Use case would be a general purpose scope where a DSOX3014A/T/G would be used. Basic SPI/UART serial decode features. The more memory the better. One set of dials per channel (not multiplexed ones). Odd times we require a MSO, but if we can get the PSU sorted on our DSOX3014A then that would cover that base.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2025, 11:13:17 am
content: Quote from: euzer on May 13, 2025, 10:33:29 amOne set of dials per channel (not multiplexed ones) era is over.Even Keysight new scopes have single set of knobs.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 01:36:37 am
content: Thanks that Steve Jobs was not in test equipment business. Otherwise we would not have Any knobs now.

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 04:12:42 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 13, 2025, 11:13:17 amNot completely true as the Keysight S and V series do retain per channel, though not really comparable on price/scope.

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 04:15:42 am
content: Quote from: Bud on May 14, 2025, 01:36:37 amA responsive and well thought out touch screen interface should be superior, but weirdly no brand has done both yet. It is getting tantalisingly to close to touch screen being a superior UI for oscilloscopes. But goes to show how much priority these brands put on HMI (hint the money is in automation).

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 05:17:51 am
content: Quote from: Someone on May 14, 2025, 04:15:42 amActually SDS5000X models have a V/div encoder for each channel, touch and mouse capable display and a good webserver too.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 06:27:23 am
content: Quote from: Bud on May 14, 2025, 01:36:37 amI gonna go on a limb and venture that you could be big fan of Micsig scopes without any knobs whatsoever then...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 06:33:27 am
content: Quote from: Someone on May 14, 2025, 04:12:42 amYou are correct and I was lazy to write in details.I meant in the type/class of scope that would be the similar to 3000A/T/G..Like Tautech says, even Siglent has one, but that is oldest one from new touch series.What I meant to say is that I have both the 3000T and several Siglent scopes with single knob group, and that would be last thing that I would find important for choice of the new scope.Once you get used to it, I use both without thinking. They are both fine.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 09:18:32 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 14, 2025, 06:33:27 amSDS1000X-E was the first of Siglent’s multiplexed vertical control DSO’s which when you forced yourself to sit down with it and get used to a common vertical control, it came natural faster than you might think and when touch displays were added, toggling a channel to the vertical control became even easier as the channel tab or waveform could be touched as well as the channel button.Initially I wasn’t a fan of multiplexed controls but its use becomes second nature faster than you might imagine.

author: euzer
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2025, 12:09:17 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 14, 2025, 06:27:23 amWe have a Micsig TO24A. I find it horrible to use. When you accidentally press Auto when you forget it's not for Auto trigger, but actually it auto sets up the scope.