China's Explosive Chip Technology Breakthroughs Shock the World - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 12:54:45 pm
content: got 1:35 in before realising this video is nothing but sequential stock images overlaid by some tabloid prose. I could've read the entire thing in that time had it been in a proper medium. The video adds nothing and takes away 10:05 minutes.

author: gamalot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 01:53:32 pm
content: Believe me, this type of tech news is actually intended for Chinese people, not for people from other countries.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 02:08:05 pm
content: Quote from: PlainName on May 31, 2023, 12:54:45 pmThat's the standard problem with 99.9% of yoootoob videos, and the reason I ignore them unless the author demonstratesin advancewhy it will be worth my time.

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 02:50:43 pm
content: One day all YT content will be AI Bot generated. I think Dave has a video on this subject? Question is, where does all of the stock footage come from? I think I should start filming random tech stuff and putting it ontoiStockorShutterStockas this seems to be where the content creator bots of the future will have their APIs wired into. Although I might suspect the content spam factories are using royalty free sites likefreepicandpixabay.

author: jwet
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 03:40:05 pm
content: There are a lot of rumors about China and most are started by China or at least not actively disputed by China. China is at least one or two generations behind the smallest nodes. They are comfortable at 22 nm.The vast majority of Chinese production is mature processes greater than 35 nm with tons in the 60-150 range- this is very cost effective territory especially on large wafers (>200 mm). There are reports that SMIC can do 14 nm (and even 7 nm). Their R&D spending is just not high enough to believe this and they don't have new ASML gear. Get on their web site and ask for a design kit!

author: switchabl
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 04:02:51 pm
content: There were also rumours that their 7nm node has a yield <15% even with low-complexity designs (some cryptomining chip?). So unless we see masses of cheap 5nm chips coming out of China...

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 04:11:19 pm
content: Quote from: PlainName on May 31, 2023, 12:54:45 pmThanks for saving me those 10 minutes!

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 05:24:34 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on May 31, 2023, 02:08:05 pmFWIW, I think the ratio is actually better than that. And it gets better if you give the algorithm feedback. It won’t eliminate the crap, but it will reduce it.The thing that bothers me about YouTube more now is the grotesque advertising behavior (both the amount and things like holding off on midreel ads until you interact with it, like pausing or rewinding). I get enough value out of YouTube (I watch more stuff on it than on Netflix) to justify paying for Premium, but at this point I refuse, because I feel like that would be giving in to a bully. 🤣 So instead I spend the money on merch from really good channels.What I am absolutely certain about is that, particularly for documentary and educational content, the best of YouTube is better than practically anything network TV has ever made. (Even more so now that the network “educational” channels have all devolved into purveyors of garbage reality TV… I mean, if 20 years ago you’d told me that the History Channel would be carrying “Swamp People”, I’d have thought you were pulling my leg…) YouTube would do well to bring back the “dislike” display, so that one can easily identify low quality content before investing much time.

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 05:48:17 pm
content: VCSEL 5nm optical chips for laser pointers and scanners?WTF? Did this text come from Chinese State propaganda news paper 'Global Times'? Is it like a single or 2 NMOS transistors on the chip is has a 5nm gate as an microwave RF amp or oscillator while the rest is digital logic at 14nm or 28nm. Guess what, we had some specialized RF front-end mixer ICs with similar capabilities since the beginning of the 2000s.It's like Huawei 2-4 years back when the blockade begun claiming they can now produce ICs which can be used in wireless headphones.Believe me, for now, it will be decades before they can make a 5nm CPU of any sort if this is the road they are on. Thankfully they can steal third party tech to lower that down to around a decade.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 06:40:48 pm
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on May 31, 2023, 04:11:19 pmI should start a go-fundme where y'all could donate, say, 45 seconds or something.

author: Neomys Sapiens
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 06:48:05 pm
content: And here I was hoping for actually EXPLOSIVE chips. Bah!

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 07:09:02 pm
content: communist countries, their #1 export is propaganda. china has a massive corruption problem in their semiconductor industry.Chen Jin claiming a 200MIPS DSP when in fact it was a Freescale DSP56800 part with the numbers rubbed off.China Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund over $50B poured in by the State. They have produced nothing decent so far.The ongoing "Big Fund" scandal, arrests of fund top executives Ding Wenwu, investment firm Sino IC Capital; around 4 people seem to have been on corruption charges and disappeared. Unigroup went bankrupt.It's too bad you can't throw a pile of money at a technology and still not have successfully copied it.

author: Infraviolet
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 07:30:16 pm
content: Reply #3, the other thing is to ignore videos which lack a detailed text description, if they won't say in text in detail what the video is about it isn't likelyto be about anything worth seeing. If the text description is lacking or nothing but sponsorship links thatis a bad sign.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 07:37:52 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on May 31, 2023, 05:24:34 pmI begrudge my time more than I begrudge small amounts of money. The strengthand weaknessof yootoob is that anybody can upload their stuff - and all too many people do. That just as true for blogs etc, but as plainname notes, speed reading is much faster.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2023, 08:05:02 pm
content: Noticed they mentioned "Direct Write Technology"Recall a visit to MIT Lincoln Labs and they showed us below 10nm Direct Write over 2 decades agoBest,

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2023, 03:07:41 am
content: WOW, all these responses...and I was thinking how propaganda this video is, but wished to hold my tongue, and not to me insult the OBVIOUS PROPAGANDA delivery...Claiming to be VICTIM, supposedly being blocked, from participating in 'markets'. Victim victim victim.(Might be worke better, if you didn't mangle the English narration, in subtle ways.)PM me for details on the English language structure proper for 2nd party, plural. Subtle language error gives it away.

author: jwet
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2023, 07:25:44 pm
content: Don't confuse specialty processes like DRAM, etc. with real logic or mixed signal processes. There are a lot of very lean specialty processes especially in the memory space with minimal steps, few masks and basically don't count as real processes.