Grants for Warp Drive Designs. - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: joabel1971
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 07:39:50 am
content: Here's your opportunity to show off your warp drive designs - and get paid for it.https://appliedphysics.org/warp-grants/

author: joabel1971
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 08:24:35 am
content: Quote from: joabel1971 on July 20, 2024, 07:39:50 am1. If discussing Warp Drives seems forbidden, or intimidating for some people - don't worry about overused words like "space-time" or "dark-matter".As of 2021 - scientists claim warp drives can be built with Newtonian mechanics.2. So, I replaced my understanding of Big Bang Cosmology (not completely Newtonian) - with something completely Newtonian called "Plasma Cosmology".I also replaced my understanding of standardized, non-deterministic, non-Newtonian Quantum Theory - with a valid, completely Newtonian, deterministic alternative called Pilot Wave Theory.3. These 2 changes - remove most questionable, non-testable scenarios - such as time-travel, and changing masses.So, it becomes alot easier to write a design - by assuming that galaxies are connected by filaments of Hydrogen Plasma (Intergalactic Birkeland Filaments) - instead of dark matter.4. Then, I taught myself about generating cold Hydrogen plasma (using the rest frequency of Hydrogen - 1.42 Ghz) - and was able to keep my design completely Newtonian.5. Then, I asked the question - "How can buoyancy be exploited within the Cosmic Web - and be used to construct a buoyant, bubble-shaped plasma force-field?" Boeing gave us a patent for plasma force-fields in 2015 - which was good enough for me. And, over time - I ended up with a test-bed.6. My design notes are attached, and open-sourced - and meant to give people some starting points. The different aspects aren't in any particular order - simply because it hasn't been tested yet. But, good luck with getting a grant!

author: moffy
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timestamp: July 20, 2024, 08:49:35 am
content: A theory is only speculation or a fiction unless they make testable unique predictions that are observable and repeatable, the basic scientific method. Quantum mechanics had its origin with the photoelectric effect and Mr Einstein, and has many proveable predictions i.e. electronics and the many devices designed and built by using it. If you want to replace it, let me ask a practical question: What semiconductor devices have been successfully designed, built and characterised by the alternative "Pilot Wave Theory"? Since you are seeking converts amongst electronic engineers that would be a good place to start.

author: joabel1971
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 08:59:20 am
content: Quote from: moffy on July 20, 2024, 08:49:35 amI didn't create Plasma Cosmology, nor Pilot Wave Theory.Nonetheless, just because they weren't standardized - doesn't make them any less valid - or less available for use.To build a working, Newtonian Warp Drive - obviously requires a completely Newtonian machine, and a completely Newtonian environment.These 2 scientific philosophies - are the alternatives that offer that. It's what we have to work with.Standardized Quantum Theory does have a few Newtonian aspects that translate to buildable machines - but not ALL.So, I'm sorry if you like Einstein more - but you do have the freedom to choose.

author: moffy
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timestamp: July 20, 2024, 09:01:06 am
content: Quote from: joabel1971 on July 20, 2024, 08:59:20 amSo no proof as requested?

author: joabel1971
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 09:27:54 am
content: Quote from: moffy on July 20, 2024, 09:01:06 amI don't know what proof you are looking for. Testing of deterministic, Newtonian concepts is accessible to everyone - not just people in labs or observatories.I offer a completely deterministic, Newtonian, testable & provable design. When using Standardized Quantum Theory - that is not always the case.You offer one example of how Quantum Theory has been applied successfully & beaten out competition. 1 example doesn't prove the rule.Newtonian Mechanics surpassed theory - when people learned to use the scientific method (1500-1700).But, for the most part - non-deterministic testing of Quantum Theory is off limits to most people, anyway.Deterministic, Newtonian testing is done by children everyday - on playgrounds. I like that more - due to its accessibility - so I'm gonna stick with Newtonian & deterministic. Especially if the scientists say we can now use it - for designing warp drives. I'll take that as permission - so I don't need your permission or approval. Good luck.

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 09:56:36 am
content: Quote from: joabel1971 on July 20, 2024, 09:27:54 amProof that a warp field can be created.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 11:03:53 am
content: Quote from: Andy Chee on July 20, 2024, 09:56:36 amI've seen it in the Star Trek documentary series.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 02:12:37 pm
content: Quote from: joabel1971 on July 20, 2024, 08:24:35 amWhere are these goofy posts coming from? There seem to be a lot of them here on this forum lately.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 02:37:28 pm
content: One must consider when defying conventional physics the sources of this thinking. For any credibility these sources must have an extensive underlying knowledge and full understanding of conventional physics with a full formal education in such, then and only then can those sources be taken seriously.Even then with credible backgrounds those sources can be flawed or with "other" intent, let's not forget the Cold Fusion with Pons and Fleischmann experiments which have never been properly duplicated to date.However there are a few cases where conventional physics thinking has been challenged and even defeated, most common case in point is the semiconductor technology we all posses in our latest iPhones, laptops, and computers.The chips involved should not be possible with conventional physics thinking, how on earth can one create a mass batch produced 3~5nm feature size chip with ~30 billion active devices within the size of a small fingernail, and with a wafer yield high enough to make the overall effort profitableAnother example is the Metamaterials which posses aNegativeIndex of RefractionAlso something we were involved with way back in mid 2000, which violated conventional physics theory for Bi-Phase Mixing (Multiplication by +-1) or even the mathematics of such. Conventional physics and applied mathematics teach the theoretical limit for a perfect Bi-Phase Mixing results in the reduction of the fundamental output by 2/pi or 3.92dB, thus the Noise Figure of a perfect Bi-Phase Mixer must be greater than 3.92dB.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/polyphase-or-n-path-mixer/You can imagine the flack received when the PolyPhase Mixer (PPM) was discussed with most folks predicting and showing NF <2dB (today likely measured <1dB), however when we discussed this concept to a couple DARPA Program Managers at an IEEE conference they listened. Later we were awarded a very large $ contract with part due to the PPM, and later a special session was created at DARPA HQ just for this topicSo sometimes physics "rules" can be broken, but one must be very careful as there are many many claims of such and one should investigate the sources in detail before "buying in"Best,

author: joabel1971
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 02:50:15 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on July 20, 2024, 11:03:53 amStar Trek TV & Movies rely on something called the "space-time" continuum for a "warp field" to be created. "Space-time" is term reserved for the standardized Quantum Theory. Since I am only considering Newtonian Mechanics - there is no such thing as "space-time". Anybody who says they have measured it - or know what it is - isn't telling you the complete truth. The closest thing that Newtonian Mechanics offers - is buoyancy or suspension. And, since I am trying to exploit existing Birikeland Filaments (which potentially are made from hydrogen plasma) - then the question becomes, "How do you suspend a protective, hollow, spherical barrier within a plasma stream (in this case - our local Galactic Birkeland filament).Dusty plasmas (complex plasmas) are able to hold/suspend charged particles within themselves. Dusty plasmas are already being created by human beings - by pouring large or small conductive particles - into a stream of ionized (charged) gas. I read one article where the particles were made of plastic and were 1 cm in diameter. The particles retain a charge, and then become buoyant (suspended) within the plasma stream. These particles also tend to self-organize relative to other charged particles (through the mechanism of electrostatic repulsion - a Newtonian concept). So, you hear words used like "epitaxial growth" - which doesn't accurately describe plasma-assisted self-organization - but it's not the first time that misleading/shortcut language has been used - to describe more complex mechanics.In real life - even lightweight conductive spheres (for example, a plastic beach ball) are not able to stay buoyant within space plasma & against Earth's gravity. So, the idea is to create a spherical, protective barrier - that is closer in composition to a Birkeland filament. Something like cold - yet highly ionized plasma. So, I don't really see that the term "warp field" is necessary to create this type of buoyancy scenario. From a Newtonian perspective - it appears the term "warp field" is misleading/shortcut language - meant to describe the function of warp drives on TV/Movies.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 02:54:13 pm
content: Will we also have transporters, replicators, and holodecks? You'll get more grants that way.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 03:07:19 pm
content: I saw a self contained ball plasma from a power strip that exploded, it floated like a feather and vanished like a soap bubble when it hit a hard wood floor, and it glowed red orange like a spherical neon tube with some kinda turbulance in it.dont really care about the theory but I know I saw it, I just wish I reached out and grabbed it but I was scared its possibly dangerous or radioactiveI don't know what could do that, a monopole, some kind of reaction, some ultra thin ceramic bubble, a condensate, etcpretty sure its extremely rare, and for the last time it was nothing like any spark from pyrotechnics or electricity I have ever seenbut I am convinced plasma can do some freaky shit, it looks like some kind of GFX from half life gamesit makes me think that whatever crazy ideas people have involving plasma might be a good place to start in terms of kooky research

author: joabel1971
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timestamp: July 20, 2024, 03:10:24 pm
content: Quote from: mawyatt on July 20, 2024, 02:37:28 pm

author: joabel1971
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 03:12:05 pm
content: Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on July 20, 2024, 02:54:13 pmIf you find offered grants for other Star Trek-type technologies - you are welcome to start a new thread and discuss them.

author: joabel1971
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 03:20:21 pm
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on July 20, 2024, 02:12:37 pmThere's been a resurgence in the topic of actually building a physical warp drive over the last several years. It kindof started in 2021, when Eric Lentz released a peer-reviewed paper - showing that positive-energy can be used to create warp drives. Since then, other peer-reviewed papers have tried to describe ways of reducing that positive-energy requirement. Now, Applied Physics is offering grants for new designs & just released some software to try to model new designs. So, more and more researchers are now taking it seriously.Lentz's paper:https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.00652

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 03:27:56 pm
content: Can we go so fast we devolve into salamanders? Star Trek's equally plausible biology is often overlooked in the scientific literature.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 03:35:29 pm
content: Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on July 20, 2024, 03:27:56 pmjust you wait, I already had this argument 20 years ago about the Gorn fight, and they finally found elemental sulfur crystals on mars.

author: Infraviolet
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 03:40:53 pm
content: "I saw a self contained ball plasma"Might have been something related to the ball lightning phenomena sometimes discussed but very rarely observed, all manner of theories about exactly what it might be, some suggest strange behaviour due to "rydberg" atoms with unusual ionisation states. One thing it definitely will not be is radioactive though, radioactivity requires very high energy process (Mega electron volts) in an atomic nucleus, plasma phenomena, except when contained in the heart f a star or a fusion reactor, are only going to ever reach the sort of energies associated with electron states (tens of electron volts).On the overall topic of the thread: Applied Physics, if they hope to improve space exploration capabilities within a meaningful timescale, might better direct their grants in to restarting the NERVA programme, or seeing if the VASIMR concept can ever be taken from concept to prototype, rather than chasing highly theoretical warp drives.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 03:47:52 pm
content: I dunno what if its cold fusion or something? because it had a turbulence it made me think two things are working together. its so unexplained I would seriously not put any trust in whatever theories have for it in terms of safety

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 03:51:09 pm
content: Quote from: joabel1971 on July 20, 2024, 03:10:24 pm

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 04:05:43 pm
content: Quote from: Infraviolet on July 20, 2024, 03:40:53 pmWhat? As mentioned by the OP, these are "technologies" we see in Star Trek, ie actual real things you can buy.Are you telling me Star Trek isn't real? No green women with dancer's legs? No salt-sucking vampires?I've been tricked!

author: coppercone2
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timestamp: July 20, 2024, 04:10:11 pm
content: Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on July 20, 2024, 04:05:43 pmi poured water on some kiln brick coating that got fired after it cooled down and WOW does it suck water. it makes a hissing noise it absorbs water so fast. its practically a vampire lol, I thought it was boiling

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 06:01:29 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on July 20, 2024, 04:10:11 pmWrong episode! You're thinking of the Belt People who grab their belt buckle and go boink! like in Bewitched and turn crew members into bricks.But hey if they look like this, who cares?https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kelinda

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 06:19:13 pm
content: Boink? Seriously? You really think advanced alien technology would go "boink"?

author: Alex Eisenhut
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timestamp: July 20, 2024, 06:26:59 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on July 20, 2024, 06:19:13 pmYou're right, advanced alien technology sounds suspiciously like a crappy 1960s intercom followed by a Moog hit.https://youtu.be/B78dZ39iSSY?t=42He bricked 1960s Lily Allen!I think an important thing OP overlooked is how will warp drive sound like to the travelers? I really like the TNG background noise of the Enterprise, which apparently is mostly caused by the matter-antimatter core running.

author: Gyro
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timestamp: July 20, 2024, 06:59:39 pm
content: Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on July 20, 2024, 06:26:59 pmIndeed, it's vitally important that such a system should have the convincing muted rumble of well calibrated matter-antimatter mix, no groans, creaks or squeaks. It should also look the part (which is where most of these YouTube 'advanced technologies' fall down). It should be large, cylindrical, and have rotating muted blue or white rotating segments (other patterns possibly acceptable). Obviously two cylinders in tandem configuration is preferable!

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 07:44:09 pm
content: Quotehttps://www.uah.edu/news/news/uah-researcher-leads-groundbreaking-paper-that-demonstrates-for-the-first-time-a-subluminal-warp-drive-is-possible-through-known-physics

author: joabel1971
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 07:58:57 pm
content: Quote from: mawyatt on July 20, 2024, 03:51:09 pmLooks like your moderator & guys like Dave Jones & Joe Smith are just as close-minded as some of the silly questions posed here. So, without consideration - they moved a completely Newtonian idea & project - to the EEVBlog virtual wastebasket. Regardless, you can see from the forms that my design is also listed as a new methodology for making graphene. Again, no Quantum Theory required. Looks like people have something to lose by brainstorming about it. It's a sad, brainwashed group that EEVBlog has attracted. Bye folks.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 08:22:42 pm
content: Wah wah wah, what a crybaby. You realize you sound like every net/usenet kook since the before times? Like Archimedes Plutonium.PS: Learn to reply without block quoting an entire thread.Quote from: joabel1971 on July 20, 2024, 07:58:57 pmPromise?

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 11:40:24 pm
content: Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on July 20, 2024, 08:22:42 pmBased on their previous post, I doubt it.Quote from: joabel1971 on July 19, 2024, 12:22:15 am

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 12:06:48 am
content: Quote from: mawyatt on July 20, 2024, 02:37:28 pmThey have several videos similar to the one below on string theory. "Singularity (black hole) conditions to create a Tesla antenna". Honing their sales pitch.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 12:12:39 am
content: Witness a brilliant mind at work:https://youtu.be/DXwK4clZlgM?t=219

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 12:53:38 am
content: A rough and ready, quick analysis of the OP. Possibly wrong on my part.Having a quick look at their videos (assuming it is the same person), it seems they are someone, who seems to believe that some relatively simple, not necessarily accurate or rigorous, experiments. With what seems to be, limited scientific/engineering knowledge.Can perform such experiments, in their kitchen/outside (or wherever it was), possibly loosely based on Tesla or other peoples, work.Then invent/demonstrate things such as free energy.Then are empowered, to go on forum(s), and insist on various theories, they have supposedly proved.Finally going into a big pussy-fit, when others don't immediately believe in their theories.Usually with such people. You can spend many days/weeks/years, trying to inform them of the errors of their ways. But, it usually falls on deaf ears.You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink the anti-free-energy flavored river water.Example of one of their (possibly free-energy in the way of Hydrogen production) videos:Example of viewers free-energy comments:QuoteI like the following comment:Quote

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 01:10:43 am
content: Quote from: MK14 on July 21, 2024, 12:53:38 amNo need to assume. From their post:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/nanovna-custom-software/msg5575465/#msg5575465, they provided the following link:http://arizonaenergy.org/News_12/News_Jun12/VolunteerJonAbelbannedfromNDSUforStanleyMeyerslabresearch.htmlWhere they provide links to their channelQuoteThat story they link provides a lot of insight. Do searches from that and you get some hits of really bizarre behaviors:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/nanovna-custom-software/msg5576035/#msg5576035https://www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/nanovna-custom-software/msg5576067/#msg5576067

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 01:43:05 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 21, 2024, 01:10:43 amThanks, I managed to find the following:https://highvoltageforum.net/index.php?topic=2377.msg17484#msg17484Which allows one to download a PDF version of one of their papers, on their stuff.(This: Impermeable Plasma Barrier (03-11-2023).pdf (3808.39 kB - downloaded 173 times.)Which makes pretty WILD reading.I can't seem to link to the PDF directly, without it including a big amount of google tracking nonsense.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 02:38:21 am
content: You see these types of posts pop up regularly, and in the best cases become memorable personalities/memes/what have you.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_personalityI remember such people from the Amiga days, it never changes.This guy has been flogging some poorly-defined ... thing ... on the Amiga for 30 yearshttps://threeseas.net/vicprint/Virtual_Interaction_Configuration.htmletc etc etcEven in the '80s in the BBS days there were people like that but there's no online trace of those anymore.

author: hem213
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timestamp: July 21, 2024, 04:24:38 am
content: QuoteQuite literally all of them are coming from OP, like he is everywhere on this forum doing this foolishness

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 05:13:04 am
content: I'd really like to see all those backlinks removed. A backlink from a reputable forum is worth a lot in these days, raising the (calculated) "reputation" of the nonsense-science. I'm sure there even is software available to translate a backlink into Google "value".

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 01:03:00 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on July 21, 2024, 01:43:05 amHe had posted that same paper along with another here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/nanovna-custom-software/msg5575031/#msg5575031Looks like he pushed Dave once too often.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 08:39:15 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 21, 2024, 01:03:00 pmhttps://youtu.be/C27NShgTQE4

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2024, 08:45:02 pm
content: I still wanna know how a piezo works with a air gap because of all that piezo impulse drive thing.If you have the correct ceramic, but its not metalized, if you put it in a capacitor, it still will shake right? No one ever answered that one. I was gonna try but i still need to fix the kepcoI thought that for any debunking or experiments, it might be horribly helpful NOT to need metalized ceramic to make a piezo shake lolI thought that idea was more interesting, the idea that general relativity is missing something about how a capacitor behaves under multiple frequencies

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 04:05:01 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 21, 2024, 01:03:00 pmThanks. I didn't realize, they had already posted their paper, on this forum.Behind the scenes (Re: Forum Administrator Dave), the OP, may have created various complaints about various poster(s) on here. I think the OP, has mentioned such things, sometimes.That also could be a factor, why they have apparently been (probably permanently) banned.I'm not clear, if they have had other account(s) on here. As some of the topics, such as Tesla obsessions, Plasma fields and free energy, super obsessive posters. Have been previously banned in the past, and the way they talk down to Dave and their bad attitude. Would seem to collaborate, such a concept.Also, they seem to have done a number of personal attacks against member(s). I think their post count, was (IIRC) 48, it is now 47. Maybe some offending (inflammatory) post, has been deleted, and has caused their temporary or permanent banning. Since it has been deleted, I can't easily search and find it, any longer.It seemed rather obvious, that the OP's tenure on here, was going to be short-lived.Quick glances through their paper, seems to show, glaring and (probably) extreme misunderstandings about how science, medicine and electronics works.I'm not sure if the paper, is an attempted scam, for making money, or if they genuinely believe it has merit.I also wonder, if in the past, they have abused, certain substances (such as drugs), which has unfortunately deteriorated their brain functioning. Leading to some wild beliefs.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 01:13:00 pm
content: They claimed to have reported me to the mods, which would brought some attention to them. Once Dave got involved, I asked them to consider splitting their posts from my VNA software thread. I created that thread in the dodgy area as a place holder. Dave did try to get them to move on and deleted some of their posts:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/nanovna-custom-software/msg5578583/#msg5578583I did post my attempts to construct/test such a coil. While I did not have a great awakening or religious experience, I did learn that super glue can be used to hold such a coil together.QuoteI doubt they had more than one account. Their first post states they had just received their amateur radio extra class license. While searching their history, I did check the FCC database and was able to verify that someone with that name/town did indeed recently get their license. It also provided more clues. My guess is having that license gives them something they can present as proof of their higher level of education.I posted about a previous employee who worked at a Microsoft call center, then stalked their manager. They happened to have the same name, town and age. If it was indeed them, this pattern goes way back.There are a lot of free energy scammers out there. We will see another soon enough.

author: coppice
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timestamp: July 22, 2024, 01:25:42 pm
content: Quote from: mawyatt on July 20, 2024, 02:37:28 pmThe term "cold fusion" was tainted so much by that incident, it suppressed other work. Andre Sakharov proposed that a shower of muons could catalyse fusion at around 1000C. At least in translations this was reported as "cold fusion", and that name seemed to kill any further work on an idea from a very eminent man. Perhaps its just an interesting curiosity, with no practical value. We have no idea how a practical machine could shower a reaction chamber with muons, but if it works its an important piece of physics knowledge nobody wants to go near.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 01:58:55 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 22, 2024, 01:13:00 pmYes (Re: their banning), I think that is exactly what happened (very likely).I was curious, as to what threw them over the edge here, and got them banned.So, it was most likely this (from your link, Thanks!):Quote from: EEVblog on July 20, 2024, 01:43:52 amThey then seemed to continued posting in that thread, resulting in the ban.There were a number of bad signs, indicating, they were unlikely to be a member here for long. That was just one of them.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 03:06:16 pm
content: They are not always what I would consider a scam. In some cases, I don't even believe they were trolling the group. This guy with his novel idea for an oscillator comes to mind. Too bad they pulled their videos.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/my-own-original-oscillator/I think some just want to prove their superior intellect. Someone once wrote me (I believe a member here) who claimed to work in education. Normally, I wouldn't care but because of that claim, I did a little search for them. It wasn't difficult as they had posted some videos (since removed) and one contained enough details. From their I was able to locate where they worked, their facebook page, other place of business. The interesting part was that they actually did work in education, relating to electronics. They are no longer are employed by the same school which gives me some hope for the education system. For this group, I consider myself as low hanging fruit and would think they would set their sites a little higher.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hear-kitty-kitty-kitty-nope-not-that-kind-of-cat/msg4750022/#msg4750022

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 05:06:20 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on July 22, 2024, 01:25:42 pmVaguely recall that an experiment in USSR had melted a lab down, or some equipment within. Also recall that one of the sons of Pons or Fleischmann was killed in a lab explosion while working on a Cold Fusion experiment.Anyway, sure hope there is something to Cold Fusion, but so far no repeatable resultsBest,

author: joeqsmith
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timestamp: July 22, 2024, 05:29:04 pm
content: I check in on the ITER project from time to time. Almost 20 years in and what really do we have to show for the $$$ spent?https://sciencebusiness.net/news/iter-fusion-project-confirms-more-delays-and-eu5b-cost-overrunTheir website is here:https://www.iter.org/

author: coppice
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timestamp: July 22, 2024, 05:38:11 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 22, 2024, 05:29:04 pmI think you missed the point of ITER. Numerous people have already got their PhD from it. Did you think it was supposed to achieve something else?

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 08:41:39 pm
content: I am often suspicious that "low volume" physicists rail on ITER but "high volume" physicists appreciate ITER. Its kind of like the 1 microamp guy vs the 1 amp guy.Suprisingly, if you talk to particle accelerator people, there is usually a beef between the heavy colliders (high particle count / big stuff) and the high speed colliders (geneva). It seems the general public gravitates towards 'speed' being more impressive then volume. I personally think the volume people might be on to something, because if your making something for mankind to use, you need alot of it. There is value towards 'cheaper' transmutation.I like this picture herehttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/ITER_Tokamak_and_Plant_Systems_%282016%29_%2841783636452%29.jpg/1800px-ITER_Tokamak_and_Plant_Systems_%282016%29_%2841783636452%29.jpgI have a bad feeling they might get something fundamentally wrong, like the geometry of something hard to make lol2040 bet pool on which part of it will need to be redesigned . I think so long they get the pipes right it might have a chance

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2024, 01:39:00 am
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on July 22, 2024, 08:41:39 pmThey have. Cost overruns and schedule delays.

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2024, 07:14:33 am
content: Quote from: coppice on July 22, 2024, 05:38:11 pmLet me quote right from their webthingie: "ITER is the world's largest fusion experiment."There you have it. It is an experiment, the goal is to figure things out, not to build a running power plant.

author: Andy Chee
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timestamp: July 23, 2024, 08:03:27 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 22, 2024, 05:29:04 pmConsider this:JWST, a much smaller project when compared to ITER, also took 20 years to get off the ground.People at the 10 year mark would've also been saying, "almost 10 years in and what do we have to show for it?"

author: coppice
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timestamp: July 23, 2024, 09:01:35 pm
content: Quote from: Haenk on July 23, 2024, 07:14:33 amThe goal of most current experiments is to pass a PhD dissertation defence session.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2024, 09:23:33 pm
content: the JSWT was a engineering problem. the physics behind it are very sound, it was just complicated.The physics behind the ITER are not that sound. IMO the one AFTER the ITER can be treated like a james webb! If ITER proves the physics, then you just need a deliciously complicated engineered system to make it high Q.The JWST has questions like, will this linkage survive the vibration. is the material that the mirrors or whatever are made from not going to crack.will something not get cold welded in space and jam the mechanism or will some guy wire tear up.The ITER has questions like "will this thing even possibly hold plasma". I don't think with the amount of knowledge we have on telescopes that you could call the JWST a physics experiment, just a engineering problem. The ITER is a physics experiment. I don't think they can even say that it SHOULD work conceptually. More like might.Now I do agree that there are sub components of the ITER that are similar to the james webb space telescopes. The vacuum system, the heat load, the power supplies, the RF heaters, the piping, magnets and waveguide. Its very complicated and tricky but conceptually those subsystems work to bring the correct 'bias' to the reactor if you give the engineers enough time, its guaranteed to be in spec. But even if you build all that complicated stuff to spec, it might not work because there is basically a dynamic control problem with a unknown specification at the core. There is no guarantee that those sub systems will be the correct control parameters for a fusion reaction.I would love to know what the anticipated possibly failure points are for it not working if you build everything right.At this point, it looks like if you got a blue print of that design, it would have little comic book diagrams that say "maybe one of these will work here".From reading the wikipeida page, with the section on additional heating, with how many... possibilities there are, I half imagined a crew of like 10 guys with acetylene rose bud torches heating up some pipe going into the reactor to try to get it to start lol

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2024, 04:31:19 am
content: Quote from: Haenk on July 23, 2024, 07:14:33 amCorrect, that's the job of DEMO.