On what frequency are working living cells  - Page 1
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author: Chriss
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 10:28:01 am
content: Hi!I'm not the most smart guy on earth but have some extra knowledge and education in the field of electronics, but I'm really confused when I listening to people who talking about the "working frequency of living cells".They say, any cell has his own frequency and if that frequency is changed the cell will mutated. And will be a bad or dead cell.So, if we could bombing these cells with the original frequency, the "original frequency" they can be healed.My question is:What they mean by "every crll has his own frequency"?That tells me it could be actually the resonance frequency and has nothing to do with any healing thinks.Or my second idea is:Any cell or living subject can emit any frequency cos the chemical substances they are made of, and the bio electric characteristics.What do you think about my question?What are the "cells frequency" means?

author: jpanhalt
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 10:32:02 am
content: Who's "they" as in "they say?"Are you really interested in the answers? If so, what evidence do you have for those cell frequencies?

author: Haenk
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 01:00:29 pm
content: Let me throw in a guesstimation: It's around "3G/4G/5G" frequencies. Luckily, there are radioactive stickers or pendants available which do give cancer, but help to fight the fear or being killed by mobile network death rays.(There is no such thing as a "cell frequency".)

author: daqq
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 03:58:35 pm
content: Who exactly are 'they'? Are they the same 'they' who just coincidentally have this miracle oil you rub on your body to stabilize them frequencies and can offer it to you for just 49.99$ (shipping not included)?

author: iMo
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 04:33:05 pm
content: Quick search shows some info, for examplethis one..Orthis one..PS: EM fields interact with electrons (and vice versa) therefore there must be an interaction with living cells (as the cells are made of molecules, and molecules are created or interact based on EM fields created by electrons)..

author: Haenk
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 04:58:32 pm
content: My BS detector almost exploded, while reading (more like flipping through) that paper.However the BS meter went way over the scale with this statement: "ranging from lessthan one Hertz till Peta Hertz".a.k.a. "How to destroy your scientific credibility in less than one sentence."Who the heck is Peta Hertz? Some scam scientist?Oh wait. The conclusion says it all."General conclusionFrom the collective data presentedhere we conclude that the discrete EMfrequency bands identified, seem to represent a fundamental property of nature, influencing a broad spectrum of diseases, including the potential for their therapy."Now we are talking. "Potential for their therapy" sounds like a dubious, ultra-expensive device with some blinkenlights, fine-tuned to your individual mental qantumstate.Honestly, these people should lose their title of "Prof. em." immediatly for distributing such a nonsense.

author: iMo
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 05:02:57 pm
content: Yellow-green light is 0.50-0.64PetaHertz, and that frequency is radiated by many living cells.. I saw it in-situ..

author: CatalinaWOW
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 05:20:50 pm
content: While my knowledge of biology is superficial, I would give long odds that I know at least as much as those talking about the frequency of a cell, and that the phrase has no meaning in this context. It is just a few technical sounding words strung together for use in relieving the gullible of some of their money.

author: Chriss
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 11:00:28 pm
content: I can imagine let's say any living cells could probably/maybe emit some detectable frequency's but that has probably nothing to do with health or cancer etc.Ok, I believe in UFO's and somehow I can accept does maybe somewhere out in the space there are some other living and inteligent extraterrestrials but I can't accept these theses about "cell frequency". Good and bad frequency etc.And now here is the most interesting part:A friend of mine, who are also in the field of electronics science over 40 years, made a device something like "zapper" ot similar name.He gave to me one of his invented device as a gift.He is proposing foes the device can fight almost any disasters caused by viruses. Even Covid can be fight with that device.I opened it and I was shocked when I saw what from it was made.A 9v battery, ne555 and a potentiometer.The output of the ne555 is one of the two end which you have to hold in your hand for aroun 20min/day. The other part which you also have to hold in your hand is actualli gnd.And such of device should solve the mistery of the universe.

author: TimFox
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 11:05:07 pm
content: There is a large body of real physics about interactions of electromagnetic fields and radiation with molecules (see “spectroscopy”), and monitoring bodily processes electronically (see “EKG”, “ECG”, and “EEG”).After you look into these topics, you can consider these other concepts.

author: Bud
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timestamp: June 21, 2022, 11:22:01 pm
content: Quote from: Chriss on June 21, 2022, 11:00:28 pmHe forgot the LED.So it does not qualify to be a Miracle Device.

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 21, 2022, 11:23:29 pm
content: Quote from: imo on June 21, 2022, 05:02:57 pmYou may be referring to "green-fluorescent protein." Nowhere nearly all cells have it; although, by genetic engineering the gene for it can be added. However, if your are seriously interested, there is bioluminescence (e.g., fireflies). That property is spread pretty widely among living organisms, but is not found in vertebrates to my knowledge. Bioluminescence in fish, for example, is due to a symbiotic relation with bioluminescent microorganisms. (I am dated on the subject, however.) So, what happened to it during evolution? Many, including myself, believe that the fundamental reactions that give electronic excited states in those "higher" organisms have been repurposed for something other than mating and attracting food, such as synthesis of unusual chemical structures. There is certainly evidence for that.Howere, like all quack science, there is often a very small kernel of fact and a whole pile of BS. Maybe the TS can respond with something other than "they say" or a vivid imagination. Edison is quoted as saying invention is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration. The ratio to imagination is a whole lot bigger.

author: Chriss
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timestamp: June 22, 2022, 06:23:36 pm
content: I don't know, but I don't believe does cells work on any frequency, but yes, there are many devices for measuring some impulse in the body. That's another story I would say.First of all the chemical concepts must be ok before the cells start to mutate and or die.And if that happens no frequency source can heal that cell.Using tools like my friend use is a waste of time.

author: RJSV
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timestamp: June 25, 2022, 04:14:37 am
content: Woo woo.I could accept a little interaction, over EXTREMELY small distances. I question:WHAT the heck, is that 'fancy' meter face...(mus be real smart!)

author: RJSV
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timestamp: June 25, 2022, 04:22:27 am
content: I would think; Some EMF and magnetic analysis would start with wavelengths 'matching', (with molecules and, larger, cells. BUT: WOO woo, not after seeing THOSE huge 20 cm brass contacts. (Thinking maybe a, WOO WOO, (sorry), audio device speaker connectors.I can't make much more stink:. That's a relative, so I've stayed out of (that) business, that's my housing, I can't be too obnoxious,...(wooWOO).

author: AVGresponding
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timestamp: June 25, 2022, 07:46:47 am
content: Communication between cells is done using chemicals, with the nervous system using electrochemical information exchange (not at any discrete frequency, and glacially slow by electronics standards).https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Introductory_and_General_Biology/Book%3A_General_Biology_(Boundless)/09%3A_Cell_Communication/9.02%3A_Signaling_Molecules_and_Cellular_Receptors_-_Forms_of_Signaling

author: Chriss
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timestamp: July 24, 2022, 12:34:21 am
content: I saw some device what are used by some "DIY Doctor" who are using a device like two metal plate and a PC computer with some software.They say, they can measure something like "body radiation" what can be analyzed by the PC and they can know if the body is sick.Those people promote does their method is very effective in fighting against any sickness.I can't remember me now the exact name of that device but I'm really curious what you are think about this?Could such of device in real do the job, better then a real doctor with a device like EKG or similar machine?

author: langwadt
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timestamp: July 24, 2022, 12:45:46 am
content: Quote from: Chriss on July 24, 2022, 12:34:21 amthose "diy doctors" are more accurately described as scam artist quacks ...

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2022, 08:31:51 am
content: The only "radiation" coming from a human body is thermal. Interestingly enough, youcandiagnose some circulation problems using thermal imaging.

author: pcprogrammer
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timestamp: July 24, 2022, 09:52:06 am
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on July 24, 2022, 08:31:51 amAs well as other problems in the body. They call this feveror inflammation.

author: jpanhalt
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timestamp: July 24, 2022, 10:13:32 am
content: Quote from: Chriss on July 24, 2022, 12:34:21 amPerhaps you are referring to the "scholarly" work of Andy Find or"Dr." Hulda Regehr Clark who gave a follow-up and improved version. Here's a link to the archived indexes:https://www.epemag.com/vault/0302.htmThe article of interest is March,2002. "PIC Virus Zapper." I have a pdf but am not sure EEVBlog will allow its posting. So, here are some excerpts: (attachments). The last is for those who want to dig deeper into the subject matter.The final attachment is Andy Find's obituary:I tried to get a copy of the death certificate, which should include a cause of death, e.g., cardiac failure secondary to xyz secondary to abc, but was unable to get it free. Nevertheless, I presume that a rapidly fatal, aggressive disease in a 60-year old might well be infectious. That leads to the possibility that he died of a dead 9V battery failure; otherwise, the zapper should have saved his life. It is sad when anyone dies and Find is no exception.

author: bd139
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timestamp: July 24, 2022, 01:10:41 pm
content: He could he be listed under wikipedia entry of inventors killed by their own inventions as that includes people who were killed when they didn't work

author: RJSV
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timestamp: July 25, 2022, 01:48:34 am
content: "Killed when they didn't work ..".Did you mean when the invention didn't work...or when INVENTOR didn't have a job ?

author: Chriss
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timestamp: July 31, 2022, 07:53:28 am
content: I'm really interested how this device is doing the job with this 9v battery and an NE555?I can't really figure out any math how it can do anything to the human body when I grap these two electrode?Any explanation would be nice ?

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2022, 08:45:25 am
content: Quote from: Chriss on July 31, 2022, 07:53:28 amIt doesn't do anything. It's just a scam.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2022, 08:48:05 am
content: Yep never proceed to the question of how something works until you’ve established if it’s bollocks or not. This is bollocks.

author: jpanhalt
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timestamp: July 31, 2022, 09:08:31 am
content: Quote from: Chriss on July 31, 2022, 07:53:28 amIf does what is claimed, then it's magic. The problem with magic is once you understand how it is done, it is no longer magic and no longer fools you.

author: Zenith
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timestamp: July 31, 2022, 09:37:44 am
content: Quote from: Chriss on June 21, 2022, 10:28:01 amA lot of this New Age therapy stuff involves attempts to give it credibility by wrapping it in technical sounding language, which is essentially meaningless.Hence talk of "personal energies" and "negative energies". You need to find a crystal with the right resonance with your personal energies.... "Frequency" is another handy word in this context.Sometimes the deluded (or plain shysters) make up equipment to aid in the "therapy". Violet Ray kits were very popular in the first half of the 20th century. They were a high frequency EHT source with a set of curiously shaped glass discharge tubes to be applied to various parts of the body to achieve healing effects. The god-like Nikola Tesla had a hand in developing them, so they must be good.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violet_rayThen of course there was L.Ron Hubbard and the E-meter, used for auditing in Scientology.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-meterThis looks like more of the same.

author: bd139
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timestamp: July 31, 2022, 09:48:30 am
content: It’s far simpler. Some people believe in magic and faith as evidence enough for causality.They are simply stupid.That covers a lot of problems in modern society.

author: Zenith
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timestamp: July 31, 2022, 10:03:35 am
content: A lot of magic is about attempting to control things people are desperate to control but can't - such as love potions - which is something as old as humanity.I can see why people with severe illnesses, which conventional medicine can't do much about, might be drawn in by quacks.Some people I've come across, often otherwise intelligent people, seem to have it in them to join cults.

author: Nominal Animal
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timestamp: July 31, 2022, 10:23:13 am
content: Hey, I'll have a go too.Quote from: Chriss on June 21, 2022, 10:28:01 amIt does not matter, because it is utterly wrong. It is like claiming that "the Sun has his own frequency". There is no single frequency, there is a spectrum. And cells' spectrum is mostly dictated by their temperature (black-body radiation) and their cellular activity, because a lot of that activity includes charges. For example, at the very core of (most living) cells, we have a proton pump,ATP synthase.Quote from: Chriss on June 21, 2022, 10:28:01 amNotcan,will. While life itself is unimaginably complex when you look at it at the atomic level, none of the individual parts are miraculous, and can be fully understood as a physical process. It is the sheer number and the many ways they all interact that makes them so darned complex.Quote from: Chriss on June 21, 2022, 10:28:01 amIt is a bullshit phrase included in the description to make it sound more convincing, used by someone who either knows they are talking bullshit, or are deeply emotionally invested and refuse to even consider that they might not know much about the actual subject at all. Because money is involved, I'd wager the former. In other words, this is just a physics-sounding babble they chose to use, devoid of any meaning at all.It is important to realize that when the brain or muscles are manipulated via electric or magnetic fields, the intent is to modify cellcommunication: the interactions between cells, and not really individual cells. This applies regardless of whether we are talking about defibrillators, muscle stimulation, or even electroconvulsive therapy. This is one way how one can tell obvious scams: they never seem to realize this, and instead just keep babbling about cells and organs and frequencies and energy using very convincing tones, but devoid of any real meaning.