EEVblog 1588 - Virgin Hyperloop One Goes BUST - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2023, 09:47:22 am
content: The Elon Musk hyped Hyperloop One has gone out of business. Who could have predicted it?

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2023, 03:45:48 pm
content: Just so you know, the video appears as private.Can't be watched here, and can't be watched in YT either without signing in in YT, which I don't lately.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2023, 03:53:09 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 23, 2023, 09:47:22 amWhen Musk hyped HyperloopOne? Musk published Hyperloop design idea, and later has build a test tube at SpaceX premises that was used for student competitions. That's about it. Hyperloop One has nothing to do with Musk and I couldn't find a single example of him endorsing it.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2023, 09:28:10 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on December 23, 2023, 03:53:09 pmI said exactly that in the video.I mention Elon for the keyword SEO

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2023, 09:28:53 pm
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on December 23, 2023, 03:45:48 pmYes, I had to reupload. If you follow me on Twitter you'd know.

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2023, 12:13:35 am
content: After the failure of Virgin Orbit, the company seems to be on a downer.Vacuuming passengers is not such a new idea...Crystal Palace Pneumatic Railway London1864https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Palace_pneumatic_railwayBeach Pneumatic Transit NYC1869https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_Pneumatic_Transit

author: .RC.
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2023, 06:28:24 am
content: Quote from: AndyBeez on December 24, 2023, 12:13:35 amInteresting. What say we put a fan at either end of the tunnel, one sucking and one blowing, AND, add solar panels onto the roof of the tunnel that will power the fans.That has got to be worth $100 million in government funding surely?

author: nonlinearschool
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2023, 07:04:22 am
content: :popcorn:Yeah scam city, however, if just freight shots 100m 200m long. using whatever..say, mag-lev, and a sealed tunnel to prevent theft.There would be huge profits. The real difficulty around the world is finding a place to lay any length of rail today. Too much land owned, too much NIMBY, too much incredible costs for eminent domain.The US cannot even get high speed trains...not even over 100MPH simple because of the above reasons. California might happen by, what?< 2050? 2150? LOL. New York to Washington DC, almost 100mph, standard trains. Pittsburgh to Phily is is? initially claimed to do Chicago to Phily... never happened.In Africa? in a dictatorship? Yes, China. It's simply building any railway of length.Imagine a puff firing freight from SF-Bat Area to LA. with mag-lev support...whatever, remove drivers, engineer. move at as little 100mph. reduce cost from 18 wheeler diesel trucks or diesel electric trains. Hugs profit. and here's the best part HD steel tubes, to prevent hi jacking!! LOLLived in S Colo. Know Pueblo..considered the US capital of steel making. Property cheap and empty. Owned some land there once. held for twenty years. zero increase until early 2000's when plans to build a couple of super dams to feed all of SE Colorado. Sold, Native American's blocked any dam making, and real estate dropped to 1980 value.Anyone think we can get a simple HS train built? in USA, in Europe outside of France? UK continent, or Ireland? Korea? Japan is building another line. Maybe an Aussie single shot from eastern seaboard to Perth...Sadly, that would really screw any who remain in between.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2023, 07:56:53 am
content: In Germany we have a 24 meter long test track.Quotehttps://archinect.com/news/article/150359211/german-research-group-completes-europe-s-first-hyperloop-test-track

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 24, 2023, 10:53:38 am
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on December 24, 2023, 07:56:53 amI missed that one!

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2023, 10:01:07 pm
content: Who thinks something actual useful could have been done with all this cash instead?

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2023, 01:59:03 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 23, 2023, 09:28:53 pmNot everyone uses Twitter and if you don't sign on you don't seem to get the latest. From what I hear the number of people who tweet on twitter is declining. Not sure what one does on X, Xcrete maybe.

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2023, 02:02:23 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 24, 2023, 10:01:07 pmCirculating the cash in the economy is somewhat useful. It's when the music stops the problems start.

author: djsb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2023, 10:52:02 am
content: There is an argument that there is value in the development work carried out in trying to solve this particular problem. Work involving students in universities get the chance to work on systems design and the hardware and software involved. The journey may be better than the destination.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2023, 12:15:57 pm
content: Yes, but the same benefits of gaining experience + serendipitous discoveries will also happen during a journey to a fruitful destination.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 12:59:30 am
content: Part 2: TUM Hyperloop

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 01:06:37 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on December 25, 2023, 01:59:03 amThen too bad, you don't get to find out updates like that.Where else am I supposed to put it? On the forum? Where? Youtube Community Tab where everyone would complain they get notified of every post?X/Twitter is the social media platform of choice, everything else sucks. If you want to follow me, I post there multiple times daily. If not that's fine, but don't complain that you miss stuff.I also post my videos natively on there as well, so you don't have to leave the platform to watch my content, comment, and follow my every update and thought.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 01:12:48 am
content: Quote from: djsb on December 25, 2023, 10:52:02 amSee my Part 2 TUM Hyperloop video for an example of this. Over 80 university people working on this project after a grant from the Bavarian state government.But make no mistake, the grant wasn't so that engineering students could get to work on a "real word" design, they had more people employed in the strategy and marketing department than on the project and safety teams.https://tumhyperloop.com/team/Also, I found this document on an anlysis of the commercial prospects.https://wissenschaftsrat.ch/images/BAK_2020_hyperloop.pdf

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 02:32:27 am
content: Nevomo is a company from Poland, which “introduces hyperloop in steps”: first by retrofitting a maglev rail on top of existing traditional railway, then surrounding that with tubes, then making it the “true hyperloop”. Obviously you can’t charge anybody with fraud, if they only took money for the first two parts. I’m quite sure they will not fail in putting tubes around tracks.Meanwhile Poland already has 290 km/h trains, both trains and rails certified for 250 km/h, deployed and getting you in 2.5 hours across half of the country. Apparently somebody has to tell these traditional rail engineers, that air drag is a huge problem.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 02:44:38 am
content: Quote from: golden_labels on December 26, 2023, 02:32:27 amIt's like planes, you eventually reach a design optimum in terms of speed, complexity, safety, cost etc.It's why Hyperloop will never be a thing, and Starship point to point will never be a thing.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 02:59:46 am
content: Quote from: golden_labels on December 26, 2023, 02:32:27 am250km/h is not that fast actually. Slower than Shinkansen and much slower than Maglev in China. Hyperloop as of "Hyperloop Alpha" paper from Elon targeted 1220 kph. You say half of Poland in 2.5 hours, but it's a relatively small distance.QuoteSounds absolutely ridiculous.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 04:01:37 am
content: Quote from: wraper on December 26, 2023, 02:59:46 amMeanwhile the Dutch are still chugging along...IMHO you shouldn't see hyperloop as an alternative for trains as these are typically for short distances but for an alternative of airplanes. A crapload of stuff is being transported by airplanes which are relatively infrequent, prone to weather conditions and not very fuel efficient. Now ofcourse the question is whether transporting goods through what basically is a pipeline, is cheaper compared to an airplane but then again, oil and gas pipelines spanning thousends of kilometers do exist and are commercially viable.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 04:45:52 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 26, 2023, 12:59:30 amTwo dudes were in the pod but three dudes came out of the tube. Where was the third dude hiding in the tube at 10 mBar pressure?

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 09:35:15 am
content: 10 mbar is a pretty good vacuum for such a large tube!Everyone that has worked with vacuum knows, what a tremendous amount of pumps is needed to empty only 1 m^3 to 10 mbar.It would have taken a very long time to bring this 24m long tube down to 10 mbar vacuum.Or they have vacuum pumps that I am not aware of.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 09:44:36 am
content: My first question would be how do they cool the train without air?

author: Barny
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 10:27:15 am
content: The most important question:Why that big point of airodynamic in vakuum?The goverment of bavaria is dreaming of theire own space program.(Bavaria One)And of course "flying Taxis"

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 10:32:33 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on December 25, 2023, 01:59:03 amXitter, as in Shitter, which is what it's become since Musk took it over.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 11:05:12 am
content: Quote from: CJay on December 26, 2023, 10:32:33 amTwitter/X is demonstrably better in almost every regard since Musk took over.

author: Barny
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 06:40:48 pm
content: I don't know if you have another Twitter then I have over here.But Twitter is flooded with spam bots & nazis over here.I am curious what's happening with the EU-lawsuite about false information ends.And that Elon refuses to remove hate speach and the like will be much drama in near future too.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 07:29:56 pm
content: Quote from: Barny on December 26, 2023, 06:40:48 pmCall a Nazi anyone you don't like. People like you made this word absolutely meaningless. As of bots, even before Elon Twitter was full of bots, and this problem is not Twitter exclusive.QuoteFact check: Opening investigation is not a lawsuit.You just posted false information.Thus shall be banned, I guess. It's a slippery slope towards ministry of truth and dictatorship. Also I've seen a good argument this EU bullshit being in violation of UN Human Rights article 19.https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights#:~:text=Article%2019,media%20and%20regardless%20of%20frontiers.QuoteQuoteHate speech = everything that goes against your beliefs.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 07:36:03 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 26, 2023, 11:05:12 amBwahhh, thanks, that's made my mind up, you're an asshole.. Buhbye..

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 07:46:36 pm
content: Quote from: Barny on December 26, 2023, 06:40:48 pmTwitter was a cesspool before Musk took over. It may be different now, but it couldn't be worse.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 07:49:06 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on December 26, 2023, 07:36:03 pmSo, you are the one calling names here, and you think he's the asshole?You jump to insults for what? Because of a different opinion than yours?Your behavior is absurd. You have been brainwashed. Mind conditioned to become violent. And you don't seem to be aware of that, not even a bit.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 07:54:23 pm
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on December 26, 2023, 07:49:06 pmHe's probably offended by someone saying something good about destruction of echo chamber he liked so much.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 09:24:22 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on December 26, 2023, 07:36:03 pmThis is disrespectful to the forum Host. If you do not like the Host be a man and just leave. I take your Buhbye as you being a man. Who is the asshole here.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 10:03:08 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on December 26, 2023, 07:36:03 pmTwitter now has:- Monestisation for creators- Subscriptions feature- Community Notes (arguably the greatest feature in the history of social media)- No political banning and influence/outright control and hence way greater free speech- No more child porn (can't verify that myself obviously, but that's the claim, musk fixed it in a day)- Communities feature- No more Blue Tick apartheid system- Two factor authentication- Way more transparency in how it worksAnd the list goes.There was more innovation in 6 months of Musk taking over than in the entire lifetime of the old Twitter.And I'm an "arsehole" for thinkng these things made an improvement?

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 11:09:05 pm
content: Watching this interview of Musk, I'm not clear how anyone can not realise the guy is a fuckwit, and that X/twitter, whatever you want to call it, is about to go under because Musk likes to posture and insult people.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 11:25:19 pm
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on December 26, 2023, 11:09:05 pmIMHO it's what should have been said a long time ago but nobody had a pair to do so. Advertisers ganging up in concerted way to regulate speech is plain wrong. Their job is to advertise their products and stay out of the platform policies and especially politics, not the other way around. Not the first time it happened either, remember Youtube adpocalypse that made it bend over and change for the worse?Here is a 7 year old Reddit comment that summed it up pretty well:Quote

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2023, 11:28:10 pm
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on December 26, 2023, 11:09:05 pmI already won a $100 bet from Chris Gammell who bet that Twitter would go under or collapse.I'll make that bet again.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2023, 03:09:00 am
content: Quote from: wraper on December 26, 2023, 11:25:19 pmIn the end Twitter et al are about making money from advertisements. If people think there is something like free speech or uncolored information sharing going on, they are deeply mistaken. Personally I don't care about twitter (and similar) at all. It is just like watching raw sewage flowing into the ocean. I rather get my information from more balanced sources like a good newspaper.

author: syzygy
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2024, 06:05:15 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 26, 2023, 01:06:37 amWith all due respect - no thanks.I understand Twitter/X provides you another monetization source, and a convenient way to do that.But I'm not interested in that platform - I'm targeted enough, and I'm not addicted to hanging on your every word either. I appreciate your platform, particularly the forum and the comraderie of other engineers here - but I'm not interested in following anybody in the first place, much less putting up with yet more targeted ads & other 'noise' that others here have pointed out.X-crete all you like! - I've got no FOMO

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2024, 06:15:48 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 27, 2023, 03:09:00 amYou are right. Its all about advertising. This is why we need to take note of adverts, and refuse to buy anything from an advertiser acting politically. Only buy from people who focus solely on the goods and services you want. That's how you will get the good stuff.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 07, 2024, 01:03:53 pm
content: Quote from: syzygy on January 03, 2024, 06:05:15 pmNo due respect needed, I don't care whether or not anyone choses to follow me on Twitter or not, entirely your choice for whatever reason you choose. I'm just pointing out it's the only place that I do updates like that. Some Youtubers like Louis Rossmann and Fran do updates on the Community tab of Youtube, but I got too many complaints that they got alerted in the same way as for a video, and that sucked for them.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2024, 08:06:26 am
content: Quote from: syzygy on January 03, 2024, 06:05:15 pmI get that Dave’s response was a bit harsh and could be read as “either do as I want or get lost”, if no further details were provided. But, when you answered, these were already present. So, trying to approach this constructively, what is the goal of your post and where is the problem, exactly?I can imagine four cases. Correct me, if I missed something.Case I: you’re already in Alphabet’s inventory. If yes, what’s the problem of being in X’s? Just waive your rights once more.Case II: you avoid being in Alphabet’s inventory by, speaking euphemistically, using alternative access routes. Then… do the same for X?Case III: nobody’s perfect and you happened to already be in Alphabet’s inventory, but wish to still limit the problem in general. The solution seems the same as in case II.Case IV: your worry is the mere concept of the communication method promoted by X and you wish to avoid this. Right, that makes sense. But how would Dave post that kind of information, so it was noticedandwouldn’t require him to go and manually type things on every platform EEVblog is present at? Be reasonable, he is a human too. And don’t point to the hypothetical use of a program, that disperses messages to multiple platforms, unless you can point to one that can be trusted, works on all gear Dave uses, and can be setup easily by a person with no relevant skills.I suppose the only thing I could complain about here, is that Dave could skip the “if you follow me on Twitter you'd know.”It’s also worth noting, that there is anofficial blog entry, which also contains a direct download link. And Dave is posting to platforms other than YouTube. None of these were affected, if I understand correctly.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 08, 2024, 10:36:17 am
content: Quote from: golden_labels on January 08, 2024, 08:06:26 amI literally said "If you want to follow me, I post there multiple times daily.If not that's fine"The problem is the same one that plauges every Youtuber/creator, everyone wants something different, EVERYONE.Not only in type and style of content, but also in this case, updates.Some want updates and my every throught on Youtube Communities, some hate it and just want me to STFU and make videos, some don't care.Repeat the above sentence for every other platform I'm on: website, forum, Twitter, Facebook, Odysee, Rumble etcThe best any creator can do is do what they enjoy doing, and how they enjoy doing it, and people can either follow along, or not.I enjoy Twitter, it's why I use it.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2024, 01:34:50 pm
content: Yep, as noted:Quote

author: syzygy
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2024, 06:15:21 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 08, 2024, 10:36:17 amHey, allow me to explain --I occasionally enjoy your videos, and I appreciate the forum and the body of knowledge it holds, by the contribution of the members.I'm drawn to it often.But the thought of interaction on popular social media in general repulses me. I'm not much of a follower, so I don't see the draw of Twitter/X (I'm also not of Facebook, and I've never even heard of Odysee or Rumble).You had (helpfully) mentioned where else we could find your font of enthusiasm for science & electronics, and I (maybe mistakenly?) thought it was a safe place to voice my opinion, and maybe a few others might share that opinion.-now I know better.I didn't mean by my reaction that I have any expectations from you whatsoever!I really DO understand that you get more eyeballs & therefore revenue if you post to more platforms - and I genuinely support your decision to do that.And I can appreciate you posting where else we can all find you- honestly.-my post was never meant as an argument, and I apologize if it came across that way.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 15, 2024, 10:48:27 pm
content: Quote from: syzygy on January 08, 2024, 06:15:21 pmI earn practially nothing from Twitter. If anything I lose money by spreading my content around different platforms.I use it because I have been using it for 14years and I like it, and because I want to support the only free speech platform left.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 15, 2024, 10:54:54 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on January 08, 2024, 08:06:26 amWhat's wrong with pointing out that I have mentioned something on Twitter before? Perhaps it will encourage a few people to follow me thier who didn't know I had a twitter account?Or is it "the tone"?QuoteCorrect. I have been posting all my videos on my blog webiste since day one. And every video is also directly hosted on my own website in 720p format.https://www.eevblog.org

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 15, 2024, 10:58:03 pm
content: Quote from: syzygy on January 08, 2024, 06:15:21 pmLike I asked before,tell mewhere you want me to post my updates. "Not at all" is an acceptable answer, but don't complain when I do post somewhere where other people want me to post.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2024, 10:10:54 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 15, 2024, 10:54:54 pmYes, the tone. Whatever your intention might have been, it could be read as putting blame on the recipient.

author: Swan
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 31, 2024, 12:56:56 pm
content: Hi,I just want to report something :Hyperloop TT, after tricking and draining French subventions, is now going to Italy to do the same.This article is in French but I'm sure you can use a translation tool or find info in other languages :https://www.bfmtv.com/economie/entreprises/transports/apres-son-fiasco-hyperloop-quitte-definitivement-toulouse-et-rebondit-en-italie_AV-202402270547.htmlOne quote translated : " is currently dismantling the infrastructure planned for testing this “train of the future” to move it to Italy."The correct word would have been dismembered... (it has been literally cut in pieces with oxyacetylene).Here is the new (fairly recent) promotion video :All the shiny "live action" stuff has been shot in Toulouse (France) several years ago, but I can tell you the real stuff is now a bit less shiny...I hope Italians are able to stop this project before the same happens there.Thanks