SMALLSMT Vision Placer Pick & Place machines  - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Smallsmt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2016, 02:06:38 am
content: I like to show some new working videos.http://www.smallsmt.biz/home/videos/Working video showing VP-2500D belt machine building our head controller PCBhttps://youtu.be/agjyWogQWTwWorking video showing VP-2500D placing a TQFP 208 fine pitch IC using a mechanical tool to adjusthttps://youtu.be/Ip4dyV0exlMCustomer working video showing VP-2500HP spindle machine building a mixed components PCBhttps://youtu.be/N19eu8SIImk

author: l0wside
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2016, 08:51:13 am
content: Looking at the first video, I wonder if the machine or the paste printing makes the placement of the discretes as bad as it is. See attached images (stills at 1:00 and 3:08), the resistors and capacitors are partially shifted, aprtially rotated. Sure, the soldering process will compensate this, but it does not look overly convincing.Your solution to place the huge (208 pins?) TQFP is neat, but essentially a hack. Would the HP variant be able to place it without extra tooling?Max

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 11, 2016, 12:09:09 pm
content: Max this job runs at high speed without alignment so you receive sometimes misplaced components. You have two options to improve lower speed or use vision alignment! But this light misplaced parts will align on reflow process.

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 11, 2016, 12:13:40 pm
content: We plan a camera upgrade to do 30x30mm parts in the near future.

author: l0wside
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timestamp: May 11, 2016, 12:58:41 pm
content: OK, so you did the small parts w/o vision, sacrificing precision for speed. Understood.And the large TQFP is (currently) simply too large for the camera. Also understood.Max

author: 48X24X48X
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timestamp: May 12, 2016, 12:56:14 am
content: Michael,What is the current maximum size of the components that can be picked and position corrected with the current camera?The upgrade to 30mmx30mm will definitely good for modules.Is there any plan to get these machine at least CE certified like what Neoden and Charmhigh is doing?Some countries won't allow these to come in without them.Don't you guys want to extend the feeder portion to be able to hold reels like a regular TM24x machine? I think it's such a minimal modification needed that you guys have overlook.Having them placed on the floor in a bin OR using your expensive extrusion solution is very unprofessional in my opinion.

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 12, 2016, 01:19:57 am
content: Quote from: 48X24X48X on May 12, 2016, 12:56:14 am

author: 48X24X48X
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timestamp: May 12, 2016, 01:56:09 am
content: QuoteI'm referring to other than this extrusion based reel cart which I think is expensive. So, there's no plan to have it built-in on the machine itself?

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 12, 2016, 02:20:18 am
content: Quote from: 48X24X48X on May 12, 2016, 01:56:09 amWe can't the shipping size is already very big so we can't add to the machine body but the single reel carts we build do the job very good.And don't forget there will be a lot of reels on each side and some customers use big reels too.

author: thommo
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timestamp: May 12, 2016, 04:28:48 am
content: Michael,What is the operator dipping the TQFP into before loading onto the Aluminium carrier?

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 12, 2016, 04:52:44 am
content: Looks like adding flux i think

author: 48X24X48X
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timestamp: May 12, 2016, 05:00:19 am
content: QuoteYou can always make it into a detachable part consist of basically 3 parts (2 side panel and a rod(s) in the middle).The 2 side panel can be attached to the existing feeder. These will cost at most few tens of USD only.If Neoden can cramp that metal stand for Neoden4 into a way much smaller volume, I think it can be done.Think Ikea!QuoteGood but very expensive solution that adds cost by shipping heavy extrusion part.

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 12, 2016, 08:01:39 am
content: The Neoden stand is a too light! I read machine is shaking when running and some user like to increase the mass to receive a reliable stand.

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 13, 2016, 04:31:41 am
content: Meet us on Makerfaire Hannover!We demonstrate our VP-2800HP pick and place machine and the vapor phase reflow oven together with IMDES Marc van Stralen.Please read our exhibition plan 2016http://www.smallsmt.biz/exhibitions/

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 07:09:58 pm
content: Quote from: Smallsmt on May 12, 2016, 08:01:39 amcould you fill it with concrete or sand?

author: TJ232
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timestamp: May 13, 2016, 08:07:02 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on May 13, 2016, 07:09:58 pmThis is exactly what I was saying a while ago, it looks as the perfect candidate for some

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 14, 2016, 11:52:16 am
content: I did a new VP-2800HP spindle machine gallery on our website showing 3 side feeders and new high performance winder for the big machines.Please look at:http://www.smallsmt.biz/desktop-pnp/The machine can place down to 0201 and 0.35 pitch components. If you need to increase precision it's possible to use a higher precision spindle too.Our current spindle has a max error of 0.05mm over 300mm way.We use linear guides and ball screw spindles from HIWIN.Best regardsMichael

author: es
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 02:45:41 pm
content: Quote from: Smallsmt on May 14, 2016, 11:52:16 amMichael, do you have a picture that shows the down facing camera? I haven't seen one in the gallery.

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 16, 2016, 03:11:29 pm
content: I have no picture because it's a module placed under the head behind the placement heads.If you need we do a photo. But this week i am in Taiwan and can't do for you.

author: es
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2016, 04:03:30 pm
content: Quote from: Smallsmt on May 16, 2016, 03:11:29 pmThanks for the precisions. Just post one at some point when you have the time, I'm curious.

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 19, 2016, 04:47:21 am
content: We released a new software today including package database and improved nozzle changer handling.The software is able to place the parts sorting by height >> small parts first.Package database editor allows multiple changes to feeder settings using the same package.You can group by different package names.You have only to manage vision settings based on package so less work to do!

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 23, 2016, 07:08:03 pm
content: We have a new feeder monster VP-2800D belt machine having up to 90 x 8mm feeder on 3 side.Working area 260x500mm, 8mm deep pocket feeders for north side possible.For less than 8000USD!Please have a look at:http://www.smallsmt.biz/desktop-pick-place/

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2016, 07:21:45 pm
content: https://yushengtech.world.taobao.com/category-621732471.htm?spm=a312a.7700824.w5002-11366739504.3.hV3p7i&search=y&catName=%D7%D4%B6%AF%CC%F9%C6%AC%BB%FAIf you want to buy the machine several thousand dollars cheaper, get a chinese buying agent ( theres thousands of them ) to buy it for you in china, and ship it out to you.

author: Smallsmt
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timestamp: May 24, 2016, 08:14:04 pm
content: I thought the whole time someone is missing hereAndrew Frazer is back!We are the distributor for yushengtech machines outside China and Andrew if you like try to buy on Taobao.I forgot we use better quality components for servo and winder motors.And why did I stay in China the past weeks do you think SMALLSMT and YUSHENG didn't work as partners?

author: sparkswillfly
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2016, 05:18:41 pm
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on May 24, 2016, 07:21:45 pmI have used taobao agents but for high value item I would be very concerned about money transfers, fees, reliable shipping/handling, export rules, etc.