More Datron 4200 problems - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: chilternview
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2022, 07:52:35 am
content: Well I thought the 4200 was working fine after the recent fixes described in another thread. Last night I calibrated it to my HP3458A, everything was working well.Then this morning I powered it up and instead of the nicely calibrated settings, the output voltage was quite a bit higher than the set voltage. For example, on the 1V range, with output set to 1V, I read about 1.345v. On the same range with output set to 0.1v, it read about 0.523v, at 0.2v 0.616v, etc up in smaller increments. Similarly on the 10V range it read 13.63v at displayed 10V, at 1v on that range it read 5.289v etc. So a similar pattern for each range.Running self test gave a FAIL2. Yet there was no fail on power up, nor was FAIL5 displayed at any point. According to the power on test details, a FAIL2 on self test is a sign of the overvoltage detector coming into effect when 75V or 125V is applied to the output.Anyone seen anything like this?

author: chilternview
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2022, 10:09:41 am
content: Problem located... it was the +15v inguard supply to the reference divider board. This caused the offset seen, and also the FAIL2 on self test.Replacing the 7815 regulator on the inguard power supply board did the trick, complete with the pre-existing kludge of the 3.3v zener in series with its input (I presume this was an afterthought to limit the 36v input to the regulator to less than its max of 35v). Why are Datrons so full of kludges like this?

author: alm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 26, 2022, 09:23:18 pm
content: Thanks for sharing the solution! I think in general it's better to stick with one thread per piece of equipment so the entire history is easily accessible, rather than having one thread per problem, which may or may not be unrelated. Or at least link to the original thread.But I'm glad you posted how you solved it. That can be very helpful if you're experiencing a similar problem. What's especially frustrating is if someone posts "I fixed the problem" without saying how.

author: chilternview
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 27, 2022, 02:08:28 am
content: I take your point - I did wonder whether to just add it to the previous problems which were present, I believe, from before I acquired the 4200.Anyhow, there is a new one: noise on the output. I have been trying to calbrate the 4200 using a 3458A (rather than a thermal trsnsfer standard). I have tried various interconnection schemes as outlined in the user manual - coax or twinax, guard / guard grounded / no guard etc. But whereas I can get reasonably stable readings on the 3458A for 1V and up ranges, there seems to be a lot of HF noise that makes readings jump about by tens or even hundreds on uV.The HP3458A is set up as:NDIG 8NPLC 100SETACV SYNCRES .002LFILTER ONand the 4200 was setup at 1kHz with local sense (remote is not available for < 1V range). Using a scope I can see there is a lot of HF noise on the output which degrades the signal considerably at 10mV and more so at 1mV. Now from reading the theory of operation, it seems the millivolt output ranges are obtained by resistive dividers from the 1V range - so the noise must be picked up after this stage, it seems.Is this level of noise to be expected - I guess a thermal transfer standard behaves like a low pass filter so is immune to HF noise? But the 3458A with its wideband AC amplifieris not?

author: alm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 27, 2022, 09:00:47 am
content: I don't have a working AC board to test, but in general TVCs are pretty wide-band. The Fluke A55 series is specified from DC-50 MHz. So to me it sounds like a problem that the divided output is picking up noise.

author: chilternview
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 27, 2022, 11:27:31 am
content: Here's a few screenshots of the noise. It would appear the noise peak amplitude is independent of the desired signal amplitude at 1KHz. The last shot shows the noise has a repetition frequency of about 50kHz (20uS between glitches) - it looks rather like power/ground noise glitches.The noise repetition frequency does not vary as the output frequency is varied from 1KHz, it's not clear what the source of the noise is.