To all china gear developers (My manifesto) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: 001
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2019, 07:25:44 pm
content: Hi china friends!Thanx a lot for Yours pretty cheap goodies like multimeters. clamps. generators. etcAll of them is useable for priceBut I personally have headache about them.Try few zero cost ergonomics tricks. It is free- Stop using blue LEDs everywere. It looks cheap for EU&US users and it needs for higher voltage so NiMH cells became not useable- Stop usingPINK,LSD GREENorstrawberry REDenclosures if Yours DMM is for bench use. We prefer common white/gray/light green here. Screaming toys at the bench is not good idea- Stop using small pics on LCDs and inverted LCDs. We are old mans- USE different selector positions for R and C- DC is first-??It twice Your profit imediatelly!

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2019, 08:28:30 pm
content: Yawn !You need to look harder at all PRC offerings, not just bargain basement stuff !

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2019, 08:32:36 pm
content: 001 I agree. Please also fuck off the Times New Roman in the UI of everything as well.Tautech: some of this persists into the non ass end Chinese stuff.

author: 001
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2019, 08:34:15 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 05, 2019, 08:32:36 pmAny adds welcome!

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2019, 08:50:57 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 05, 2019, 08:32:36 pmHear hear !!

author: boffin
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 05, 2019, 08:51:45 pm
content: Bigger Decimal points in your custom LCDs. Dead easy to do, hardly anyone does1.211.21Which is easier to read at a glance?

author: DaJMasta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2019, 09:00:28 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 05, 2019, 08:32:36 pmYeah, we can get comic sans to make a comeback by using it test gearI think some of it is cluelessness to the market, some of it is residual design from other products in different sectors, and some of it is just inattention to smaller details, but let's be honest: if they read this forum and could see this post, they probably would have already stopped doing most of those things.

author: e0ne199
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2019, 10:34:05 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 05, 2019, 08:28:30 pmplease make custom fonts for siglent offerings

author: geogeo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 01:23:38 am
content: I only have one request.Stop with the bleepin' beeping on every turn of the dial!

author: mengfei
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 01:24:06 am
content: well the thing with Chinese products is that many of these just comes out from single queen bee then Vendors just stamp on their brand name - wala! - A new product. that's why most of them look similar even though with different brands. why waste money on R&D or new molds, that's how they can keep them cheap. Some are good & some are really bad!

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 07:52:52 am
content: The rebranding seems to appear when someone works out how to shave a few cents off a design to undercut the next dude.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 10:09:10 am
content: Quote from: tautech on November 05, 2019, 08:28:30 pmHate to agree with tautech*, but yes. There's hundreds of Chinese meters that don't doanyof those things.(*) Just kidding.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 10:22:09 am
content: Your beloved Rigol uses times new roman all around...

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 10:42:03 am
content: Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on November 06, 2019, 10:22:09 amAgain I get the feeling that my Rigol must be unique and special, not like all the others.This is what mine looks like:

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 11:22:11 am
content: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-ds1000z-series-font-size/15/?wap2;wap2Glad to know they've finally fixed it. How would İ know if İ don't use the damn thing anymore out of desperation?

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 12:47:00 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 06, 2019, 10:42:03 amDo a screenshot with a usb stick installedCan Operate Now!

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 01:03:24 pm
content: Maybe someone would consider your opinions if you actually spell words correctly and you're not writing like a 5 year old.Also, nobody capitalizes Your in Europe, or You, as far as I know.- Stop using blue LEDs everywere. It looks cheap for EU&US users and it needs for higher voltage so NiMH cells became not useableI don't mind blue LCDs. They can be more efficient than others at low currents... yes, they may require higher forward voltage but they could use less current. For example, use a 3v 1mA blue led, or use a 2v 5mA amber/green led...Maybe recommend using a boost-regulator to boost voltage from 2 AA or AAA batteries to a higher voltage like 3.3v or 3.6v instead of simply disabling device when the voltage drops below some threshold.- Stop using PINK, LSD GREEN or strawberry RED enclosures if Yours DMM is for bench use. We prefer common white/gray/light green here. Screaming toys at the bench is not good ideaI agree with not using weird colors, but I personally would dislike light green devices. I don't see red or blue mentioned there, and I wouldn't mind them. I personally think Uni-T meters look nice, in that red color.Blame other companies here - some manufacturers avoid some colors like Fluke yellow or Tektronix blue or whatever because sometimes such devices have problems at customs due to those colors.- Stop using small pics on LCDs and inverted LCDs. We are old mansNot everyone is old. Can't have everything big and chunky. This being said, I wouldn't hate a product if it's aimed towards people with bigger fingers, or weaker eyesight and so on.I personally often dislike fonts used in the interfaces of meters (so many good pixel/bitmap fonts that are open source or free to license, and they go with Serif fonts or other hard to quickly parse with your eyes), or minor things like things not aligned properly, fonts with very wide or very narrow letters etc ex see the Rigol picture where the "Anti Aliasing" text goes outside the button shape, or "Rise Time" on the left, being overwritten by that crap on the side.Forcing you to go through 2 or 3 menus using 3-4 buttons on the side, when you could just add more buttons (ex on oscilloscopes) or have a touch screen ...

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 01:44:56 pm
content: Quote from: mariush on November 06, 2019, 01:03:24 pmMaybe English isn't somebody's first language.Germans capitalize all their nouns, even in the middle of a sentence. Maybe some others do, too.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 01:56:53 pm
content: Quote from: mariush on November 06, 2019, 01:03:24 pmSerif fonts are faster/easier to read ... in printed text. That's why books/newspapers use them.Serif fonts became unpopular when they people started using computer screens because screen pixels don't have enough resolution for serif text.Then the double-irony appeared that people would prepare documents using sans-serif on screens then print them out with the same horrible fonts (horrible on paper) and at the same time we started getting the retina screens and antialising that makes serif fonts work on computers.Now the entire world is starting to print books in sans-serif because it's what people became used to seeing in that transitional period, even though it slows down reading.So it goes...nb. Yes, Rigols don't have fancy antialising so serif wouldn't work so well there.

author: med6753
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 02:51:59 pm
content: My manifesto is for Antarctica to break up and fall into the ocean.

author: Calambres
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 05:14:47 pm
content: For some reason blue LEDs bother me big time. That kind of light almost hurt me. I dislike them a lot!

author: DaJMasta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 06:00:05 pm
content: Quote from: Calambres on November 06, 2019, 05:14:47 pmI think it's just how bright they can be. Even low current in a small blue/white LED can be very bright, whereas many other colors are both dimmer and more diffused. I don't have a problem with blue being used for an indicator, but I don't want it to be piercing - maybe just using a diffused LED (I only see them rarely) would be sufficient to solve my issues with it.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 06:02:55 pm
content: Please stop asking me to "weld" the wires or components!

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 06:11:31 pm
content: Quote from: xrunner on November 06, 2019, 06:02:55 pmAnd stop talking about the multimeter "pens" and "advanced anti-burn features".

author: ralphrmartin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 07:00:22 pm
content: A positive suggestion:Send your English manuals to a native English speaker, to polish the English for you. I am sure there are plenty of competent people here who would do that in exchange for a free item of your product. Someone good at this could also point out where additional explanation was needed, or where something was not clear, which could also help you to improve your Chinese manual too.

author: I wanted a rude username
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 10:29:16 pm
content: Quote from: ralphrmartin on November 06, 2019, 07:00:22 pmI'd do it for free on a $10 product. Just thinking about all the minds blown by buying a notionally crappy device and receiving a guide infaultlessEnglish is reward enough.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 10:46:18 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 06, 2019, 06:11:31 pmYep also lose the shit slogans!

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 11:20:27 pm
content: Just tighten the screws before shipping stuff.

author: LeonR
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 11:30:21 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 06, 2019, 10:46:18 pmSome of those are quite amusing

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 12:38:53 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 06, 2019, 10:46:18 pmSome are quite motivational if you think about it -

author: bsfeechannel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 12:46:28 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 05, 2019, 08:32:36 pmJust for the record, the default "Times New Roman" you see in Chinese UIs is called the Song typeface.In Japan it is known as Mincho.They are beautiful typefaces for classic books, but I guess a little retro for modern printing and screens.

author: 001
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 05:11:05 pm
content: I didn`t read china manuals at allAnd I never seen albanian manual in china parcel tooAll I want is a grey brick with large controls and simple interface.Not a soap-style aneng enclosures (why somebody design it slippy as soap?)Not a sci-fi toys style like latest hyelec metersKeep design simple and twice Your sales!

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 05:26:27 pm
content: As if those multimeters are made for the exportThe internal chinese market is much bigger for this stuff, if they like this and it sells who are we to judge it?It is as saying German carmakers please use more blue leds on your dashboard, bigger shiny bling blingy things on the external and fur carpet on your chairs and floor.And it is not that Fluke has some greyish multimeters, that yellow orange color is just as bad but we got used to it.

author: cliffyk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 05:34:45 pm
content: Quote from: Calambres on November 06, 2019, 05:14:47 pmThe human eye's color sensitivity peaks in the green/yellow range, falling off rapidly at the blue/violet and red ends of the spectrum--this makes it difficult to focus on lights of those colors (blue in particular) causing eye strain.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 07:00:31 pm
content: Quote from: 001 on November 07, 2019, 05:11:05 pmYou just described the Aneng 860B+

author: Calambres
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2019, 06:55:11 am
content: Quote from: cliffyk on November 07, 2019, 05:34:45 pmSometimes if the blue source is bright enough, I feel pain more than strain.

author: ResistorRob
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2019, 03:06:16 am
content: In the original post he said "We prefer common white/gray/light green here."By "we" he sure wasn't talking about me. I actually thought the older UNI-T test equipment with red cases was a refreshing change. I frequently repaint my test equipment so it's not bland ass grey or beige.This post reminds me of a YouTube video that was something like "10 things cats hate" It listed things like being picked up, water, and belly rubs. My cat actually likes all those things. Just because one person prefers something, doesn't mean everybody will. Gas (petrol) cars VS. electric cars is a good example.Lots of people like to bash cheap Chinese electronics, but I kind of think of them like the Harbor Freight of electronics. I buy tools there that I might only need to use 1 time like a clutch puller for my snowmobile. If you are new to electronics and need to quickly and cheaply build out the essentials, the imported gear might fit the bill nicely.Some ideas I have is to standardize the modules, and offer a universal case to fit them. So for example they can sell their signal generators, component testors, and power supplies as bare PCB's like they currently do, but also sell cases for them.Another idea is to offer a slightly more expensive version without so many corners cut. Use name brand capacitors, test jacks instead of screw terminals for wires, etc. In some areas you have the choice between some $7 Chinese crap or a $300 name brand cased item. How about a $40 cleaned up and polished version of the Chinese offering?I have bought things with no instructions, such as most recently an electronic load for batteries. I have bought many items with badly translated instructions too, so I agree with that post. Heck if any manufacturers want me to translate for them, I will do it for the cost of whatever the product is, even if it's a $5 LED tester!Overall the Chinese imports are pretty good and don't need a whole lot to change. Most sell in huge volumes for a reason, because of value! You get a lot for your money. At that point who really cares about fonts? I'm a very visual person especially when it comes to light. If I don't like the backlight color of the LCD on my multimeter - I change it. LED status lights too bright, too dim, wrong color... it gets modified. Blue LED's were such an engineering marvel that I really appreciate them and think they are great. If you don't know the history of blue LED's read up on it because it's fascinating.For more expensive Chinese gear like Oscilloscopes there isn't too much to complain about. Take the Siglent 1104X-e for example. It's absolutely amazing what you get for $500 Add in a touchscreen and the ability to customize trace colors and it would be 100% perfect. A scope like that 20 years ago if they could have actually built one would have been what $25,000+?? We are living in the golden age of technology and it's awesome!

author: Gandalf_Sr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2019, 10:40:42 am
content: Resistor Rob. I mostly agree. FYI, given that 001 says they're from Antarctica and everyone knows there are a load of aliens living there, I wonder if 001 is a member of a 4th dimensional group that regard themselves as a single entity? That would explain the 'we' but it could also be simply that 001 is royaltyThere are certain US manufacturers that charge ridiculous prices for their stuff making the Chinese offerings a no-brainer. Try soldering irons for instance. I'm ready to dump my Weller stuff and use the $50 KSGER T12 stations which, after some basic mods and calibration (which is built into their firmware) are awesome.

author: BillB
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 09, 2019, 11:54:55 am
content: Quote from: Gandalf_Sr on November 09, 2019, 10:40:42 amI thought it was just the bitter cold, near constant darkness and the booze?

author: ResistorRob
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2019, 02:12:19 am
content: Quote from: Gandalf_Sr on November 09, 2019, 10:40:42 amI was having a really bad day, but that still made me laugh. Was funniest thing I read all week.I totally agree about the soldering irons. In addition to that... For nostalgic reasons I really want to get a Tenma LED soldering station (the one with the red, green yellow led bars). I also kinda like the new Radio Shack soldering station because its red, and I am trying to create a workbench with all red test equipment. I think it would look cool and unusual.

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2019, 04:37:21 pm
content: Bonjour anyone have the small 7 function red DVM from Harbour Freight?https://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-digital-multimeter-63759.htmlOnly $6.50, last Summer free On coupon if you bought other things.Very well designed and easy to use, I got 7, and its my favorite for general use, or travel/jobsiteAccuracy is ~ 0.5%.Just the ramblings of a retired EEJon

author: Johnboy
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2019, 07:22:48 pm
content: This thread sure does jump around a lot. Some eye-wateringly funny posts though.I have some Chinese-manufactured stuff, and some of it is alright. That mail center video with all the stuff from Shenzhen getting stepped on is enough to explain their "quantity over quality" aesthetic. If you're kicking out that much stuff onto a boat daily, what's the point of making sure it's all going to be good, especially if it's too expensive to send back individually for warranty anyway? The consumer pays very little, and crosses fingers. You might end up with a bargain worthy of Faust... or something that rattles like a Fisher-Price mobile before you even open the box.The light-wavelength graph was interesting. I had always wondered whether Pickett's "eye-saver yellow" was just a marketing gimmick. It seems there may have been some substance to the research claims (very few green ones around left to test-drive, though).As for "Create Simple and Intelligent Life... Be Unable to Break..."Now there's a reproductive mantra we should all try to live up to.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2019, 07:39:59 pm
content: Quote from: jonpaul on November 10, 2019, 04:37:21 pmEverybody here hasat leasttwo of those (or variant of...)

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2019, 07:42:31 pm
content: Quote from: Johnboy on November 10, 2019, 07:22:48 pmI thought they copied it from legal notepads.I find the ordinary white ones much more legible though, especially the numbers printed in red.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2019, 07:45:06 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 10, 2019, 07:39:59 pmNope. Even my car DMM is better (Brymen BM22s). The BM22s was a freebie. The funny thing about it is it survived a couple of KV quite happily across a Tek 2235 HT chain. Made some unhappy noises but carried on. Not sure a DT830 derivative would fare well there. It'd utter 妈的 and go to silicon heaven.

author: Johnboy
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2019, 07:53:15 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on November 10, 2019, 07:42:31 pmDespite some of the documents I've seen that seem to contradict what's actually in this picture, it sure looks to me like Buzz agrees with you.

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 03:38:35 am
content: Quote from: I wanted a rude username on November 06, 2019, 10:29:16 pmLOL, might happen just as you describe

author: fourfathom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 04:18:50 am
content: Being red-green color deficient (I can tell them apart, but I need them big and bright), red is not an easy display color for me. Color combinations matter, and with me it's more complicated than just red vs green -- brown is hard to differentiate, bright red characters on a blue or green background are visually painful, and other issues of this nature. Since the percentage of men with color vision problems is fairly high, I suggest that any potential UI be reviewed for this. I assume that there is color-mapping software that can change an image to something like that seen by a person with color vision issues, and this might be a good thing to use in a UI review.

author: Kerlin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 10:33:25 am
content: Forget it they will never let you check their manuals.I have worked there, next to them and offered to do this, their reply is always a very angry "I know English" and they will not accept its a rubbish manual.I had a good friend there who showed me his companies brochure that they were taking the the Los Vegas electronics show.It was a real laugh and went on about how they aim high to be your trusted friend to provide bright new world with two suns shining and good fashion with good tomorrow and good meaning and all that kind of rubbish.I said "Peter you can't use this every one will laugh, he told his boss who insisted it was correct.After he came back from the show he told me the Americans were standing around laughing at the brochure and they were telling their friends to go and get one.They were using it as a comic book.The next year the company owner insisted on using the same brochure.You will never convince them they don't know English.

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 11:44:57 am
content: Do chinese brochures written for the internal market have such visionary crap in them too, or is it just that they think we'll like it ?I'm disappointed by what you say. I was wondering if I could even write a corrected version for free and send it to them, but it sounds as though they wouldn't want it (I'm sorry for my assumption that all chinese are the same, but given how hard it's likely to be to learn english that could well be the case).After all, even americans and australians don't seem interested in learning to speak / write properly

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 11:57:18 am
content: My bugbear is the boards made, apparently in their millions, and copied by multiple manufacturers, with errors. And producing no documentation AT ALL!One example is the 'blue pill' board, which is widely documented as normally being fitted with the wrong value pullup resistoor on USB. Where did they copy that from, and why doesn't anyone correct it ?I got some TTL-RS422 adapters which were great .. except they didn't have a ground ref terminal. Which is fine on a fully isolated board but silly on one with non-isolated buffers.It seems as though these designs are not made as general-purpose devices even though they're sold as that : they're designed for some specific job and then copied without any thought at all as to whether they could be made better (and sell more!).

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 12:02:57 pm
content: I'm very encouraged, though, by the recent trend to document boards by putting up a github project. Looks like some manufacturers are finally getting the idea of open source hardware and appreciating that letting other people improve their software for free is a benefit.In fact, I think I've seen this primarily from chinese vendors : in other cases, the public software is more likely to be reverse-engineered (unless it was explicitly created as an open source project, but those rarely seem able to offer the low cost hardware that the chinese produce - probably because they start with the assumption of making only development production volumes).

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 12:23:19 pm
content: Yes the good ones seem to open source a lot of their stuff. Best one I've seen and this influenced the purchase decision was the Ender 3 printer from creality:https://github.com/Creality3DPrinting/Ender-3Whole thing is open source end to end.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 12:32:22 pm
content: You have to realize that those blue pills (there's dozens of similar but different ones) are all made by 13 years old chineses at home while their parents make Rigols, Micsigs and Xiaomis at work.Our children in the meantime are uploading photos to facebook or designing trains pushed by pistons.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 12:44:58 pm
content: Spot on. That's exactly how it is. And it's depressingly shite.

author: cliffyk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 02:04:24 pm
content: Some years ago I bought an Asian made tank bag for a bike, the manual stated (quite accurately actually) that "It will bring comfort and convenience on your life, unlike the uncertainty of missing as is common with rear mounted bags."

author: ResistorRob
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 10:34:34 pm
content: Quote from: jonpaul on November 10, 2019, 04:37:21 pmI have about 50 of them. I hand them out to my friends whenever they want to borrow one of my real multimeters. Harbor Freight use to have that coupon with no purchase necessary, so I would stop in and grab one whenever I drove by. I had tons of those LED hanging flashlights in the blue cases. I actually gave them all away and don't even have one left for myself, lol. I also went through about 100 free batteries I got there on account of they don't last very long :-)I was actually tempted to give away a few of the meters on Halloween to any trick or treaters in nerdy costumes

author: I wanted a rude username
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 10:46:33 pm
content: Quote from: artag on November 11, 2019, 11:44:57 amAt least the schools teach us to capitaliseproper nouns.

author: Gandalf_Sr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2019, 11:39:55 pm
content: Quote from: I wanted a rude username on November 11, 2019, 10:46:33 pmAgreed,A quote from Churchill comes to mind... This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put.

author: Gregg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2019, 12:30:30 am
content: QuoteOf course, a preposition is a terrible word to end a sentence with.

author: fourfathom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2019, 12:38:21 am
content: Quote from: Gregg on November 12, 2019, 12:30:30 amExcuse me, but where's the restroom at?

author: 001
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2019, 02:25:58 pm
content: And direct drive is great thing: one button -- one functionNo menu clickers!

author: Old Printer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2019, 06:02:18 pm
content: Quote from: fourfathom on November 12, 2019, 12:38:21 amOver yonder way... I reckon

author: fourfathom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2019, 12:42:40 am
content: I mis-remembered the joke. Here it is:A Texan is visiting a friend at Harvard, and they agree to meet at the library. He's a bit lost, so he stops a passing student. Texan: "'Scuse me, could you tell me where the library's at?" Student: "Around here, we don't end our sentences with prepositions." Texan: "All right, could you tell me where the library's at, asshole?"

author: 001
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 21, 2019, 04:03:44 pm
content: Is any china maker in this tread?

author: ebclr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 21, 2019, 04:30:42 pm
content: If you wanna make a china developers manifesto, the minimum, thing you can do is make the manifesto in Chinese, Very few China developers can barely understand English.

author: 001
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 21, 2019, 08:10:41 pm
content: Quote from: ebclr on December 21, 2019, 04:30:42 pmI`m not englishman too

author: 001
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2021, 08:11:56 pm
content: so actual

author: eurofox
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2021, 08:43:38 pm
content: Quote from: 001 on December 21, 2019, 08:10:41 pmSure from Antarctica ..... LOL

author: bingo600
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2021, 08:51:55 am
content: Quote from: eurofox on August 28, 2021, 08:43:38 pmQuote from: 001 on November 07, 2019, 05:11:05 pmMaybe the above is a give away .../Bingo