The Book of Mormon is coming to Melbourne in 2017! - Page 1
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author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 11:28:43 am
content: OK, it's not what you think... this isn't a religious preachy post. For those who have seen BoM on Broadway will agree that it's a fantastic show! (Dave, it would be right up your alley!). It's a musical created by Matt Stone and Trey Parker (they made South Park).Coming to Melbourne in January 2017, I'm going to make sure I'm there. For those of you who are in Australia, you can register your e-mail addressherefor priority bookings when tickets become available.For those of you who are offended easily, you might find yourselves walking out before the first act is over.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 07:44:38 pm
content: Good thing they are not coming here, they might end up on the wrong side of the wrath of the King.......

author: David_AVD
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2015, 05:10:57 am
content: Sounds like it might be a good laugh.

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2015, 07:11:45 am
content: I saw it in LA. Laughed for weeks. Great show!Sent from my SM-T800 using Tapatalk

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2015, 08:53:28 am
content: Bet they wouldn't have the guts to do a Koran show.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2015, 01:42:19 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on June 07, 2015, 08:53:28 amGood point.

author: David_AVD
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2015, 09:42:27 pm
content: Taking the piss out of any group will have varying degrees of risk.I'm guessing that the Mormons aren't the type to retaliate with nasty violence.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2015, 10:15:59 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on June 07, 2015, 08:53:28 amCartoon Network and other distributors have censored or omitted scenes or entire episodes of South Park quite a few times now because of fear of Muslim extremists ... what's the point in trying to develop it if no one is going to provide a stage? Well in Texas maybe ...

author: wagon
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2015, 11:28:31 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on June 07, 2015, 08:53:28 amThey have, to varying degrees, on Southpark.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2015, 12:13:46 am
content: Quote from: Marco on June 07, 2015, 10:15:59 pmWell, going just after the peaceful ones is, hmm, there is a word for that...

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2015, 10:09:49 am
content: I was actually a member of a Mormon scout group for I think between six months and a year when I was a (public) primary school student. My best buddy in class one day asked me If I'd like to join his scout group and I agreed to give it a go. I knew his family well and knew that they were Mormons, but that didn't factor into anything at all at that stage and I had not put two and two together .Well after dinner that night my mate knocked on the door and I was ready to go. I followed him into the van and took a seat. To my surprise there was one other kid from our school class in the van who we didn't actually otherwise associate with at all and then the driver said hello to me as we drive off as if I already knew him. He didn't turn around and I was just left sitting there in the dark staring at the back of his head thinking to myself how familiar he sounds. We eventually arrive at our destination - the district Mormon church (ugh) and when we all get out of the van I have a chance at identifying the driver; the driver was our class teacher. I was a bit creeped out at that stage; I felt that I was suddenly introduced to a secret cabal or something and I didn't know what activities we were in for once we entered the fruity church.Well this church had a gymnasium and other facilities inside and one of the scout leaders was a carpenter in his day job. I am given a warm introduction and nothing at all pertaining to Mormonism, God or religion even comes up for discussion; just talk of all the exciting woodworking projects and outdoor camping adventures and other activities that I could look forward to if I choose to hang around and simply memorize and recite some supposedly trivial oath of allegiance or two.In response to my welcome my mate assured me that not being a Mormon isn't a problem at all and I was naive enough at the time to take his word for it. Several months passed, I had a couple of woodworking projects under my belt, some potential merit badges lined up and we even had a competitive family event one evening where we raced these wooden-block cars that we had hand-carved down a fixed ramp descending from an elevated stage that a preacher would otherwise occupy on a Sunday morning.It was only after all of that that I was finally introduced to the religious oaths that I would have to memorize and recite to further my progression within in the group and then at every other scout evening I was taken aside for a few minutes to be introduced to someone from higher up in the church hierarchy who quizzed me about my religious convictions and to what extent my family members would possibly like to attend church services. I could stall for a while but then I started getting quizzed and put of the spot during every meet by members of the scout group and one of the leaders themselves, who had started to obviously distance themselves by that stage.I memorized and recited a couple of the oaths to the groups satisfaction and that bought me a few more weeks of active involvement in the scout group but I realized that it was to become untenable beyond that as not I nor any one else in my immediate family had any intention of becoming a Mormon and I in particular already at that age considered religion a load of BS anyway. I knew very well by then for a fact that if that truth suddenly became common knowledge I'd be about as welcome in the friendly scout group as an orthodox Jew in Mecca, so I simply decided to leave.On my last evening in the group my school mate and the carpenter said they were disappointed to see me leave, but none of the (at that stage) stoney-faced others gave a shit; in fact it was quite obvious that my continued presence would be unwelcome. The carpenter was a genuinely good bloke and he couldn't have given a damn what I believed or didn't, I am sure, but in the end he was the exception. I didn't feel particularly hard done by in the end - it's their club after all and they set the rules, but I had learnt a worthwhile lesson; avoid any offers of association with any group emanating from a church, in particular an intensely close-knit and exclusive Church like the Mormon one. Besides all the hollow words and just plain lies and bullshit spun in the beginning, in the end any lasting sense of friendship or being part of a welcoming community will be strictly conditional, and that alone says everything that needs to be said about the legitimacy and worth of what they have to offer in the first place.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 08, 2015, 10:24:23 am
content: Nice piece GK, I craved to get into the scouts as a kid to see what itwas all about and couldn't for two reasons, one it cost money andwe had none and two I had a bad reputation as a trouble maker.Probably turned out for the best anyway, I got three meals a dayand learnt to pick locks in the various government run institutions.That was a different life ago.Muttley

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2015, 10:27:18 am
content: Those of this faith I find are easily discouraged from their ramblings when they come knocking on my door:"I'm sorry, you are too late, I'm already a practising heathen".The young ones (scouts etc) have no idea what you're on about and walk away perplexed.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2015, 01:14:27 pm
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on June 08, 2015, 10:24:23 amMormon scouts would have been pricy - 10% of my parents wage. Though some imagine that buys them a ticket to an afterlife, so to them probably not that bad a deal after all.Going off on a tangent now, that kind of lofty exclusivity that one can purchase for oneself brings to my mind in a way the sense of elevation that one suitably pious can buy oneself in traditional confession. You can spend your week bashing your wife and fucking your neighbors pet dog, but with a few entirely self-concerning words of (delusional) humility uttered in personal secrecy in a box you are washed clean as a saint and instantly given the power of righteousness to step out to do it all over again while looking down upon your less observant or apparently irreligious neighbors. Even child-rapists (especially in the Churches own ranks) aren't denied this benevolent charity - "forgiveness", "forgiveness" as the Pope and his underlings say it is all about. Redress, accountability and justice? Fuck that! Praise be to Jesus, yeah.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2015, 01:43:54 pm
content: Well since I am struck again by insomnia due to my reading material and are in a preachy mood this evening, since some have whinged about the lack of criticism of Islam, here is a brief excerpt for Ayaan Hirsi Ali's new book "Heretic":"In my homeland of Somalia, a thirteen-year-old girl reported that she had been gang-raped by three men. The Al-Shabaab militia that then controlled her town of Kismayo, a port city in the South, responded by accusingherof adultery, found her guilty, and sentenced her to death. Her execution has announced in the morning from a loudspeaker blaring from a Toyota pickup truck. At the local soccer stadium, Al-Shabaab loyalists dug a hole in the ground and brought in a truckload of rocks. A crowd of one thousand gathered in the hours leading up to 4.00pm. Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow - named after the Prophet Muhammad's nine-year old wife* - was dragged, screaming and flailing, into the stadium. It took four men to bury her up to her neck in the hole. Then fifty men spent ten minutes pelting here with rocks and stones. After the ten minutes had passed, there was a pause. She was dug out of the ground and two nurses examined her to see if she was still alive. Someone found a pulse and breathing. Aisha was returned to the hole and the stoning continued. One man who tried to intervene was shot; an eight year old boy was also killed by the militia. Afterward, a local sheik told a radio station that Aisha had provided evidence, confirmed her guilt, and "was happy with the punishment under Islamic law".There are now actually "Sharia" courts legally operating in Britain that divide assets upon divorce with reduced rights assigned to women. According to some left-wing fuckwits and leftist so-called "feminists" who's stupid mouths remain tongue-tied this is all about being "tolerant" of outsiders and supporting "multiculturalism" and "assimilation".* By holy scripture The prophet married her when she was 6, but only consummated the marriage when she was 9; the theological justification for the legality of child-marriage in countries such as Yemen.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2015, 03:23:30 pm
content: Quote from: GK on June 08, 2015, 01:43:54 pmThe assimilation will be in the other direction.Lefty Europe will not be able to protect itself from incompatible immigration.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 12:42:49 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 08, 2015, 03:23:30 pmYou didn't pick great material there. The hatred and violence exposed is deplorable in the extreme but the overall message of that video stinks of crap as well. The doomsday schtick is the purview the hack propagandist and whenever something like this starts with "I'm not a racist" one can be pretty certain of what to expect - in this case in closing the viewer is presented with (amongst other things) the old "Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans but not (enter your favorite imagined Anglo-Saxon dominion here) for the whites?". Give me a break!The issueper seis one of an obstinate and depressing virulent theocratic theology, not one of race, despite however many people and composers of propaganda videos on Youtube are too stupid to make the distinction. And no one whoisn'tracist actually feels a pressing urge to declare themselves such at every opportunity (let alone appeal to the sentiments of those that worry about racial purity), even so there may be a conga line of pious dickheads at the ready to call them such at every opportunity when a political/religious ideology comes up for legitimate and much needed criticism and debate. Ayaan Hirsi Ali I think is a case in point here and there are others, even some that still personally identify as Muslim.As for "lefties", I am a technically every bit a lefty when it comes to civil liberties and the separation of religion from politics and the judiciary, which is exactly where the West and Israel have it fundamentally right and where the Arab world almost exclusively has it completely fucked up (I especially make the point of mentioning Israel here to get up the nose of the established forum Nazis).I do not however identify with and I thoroughly despise what the "left" has popularly become - arguably a cesspit of non-objectivity and contempt for Western values and democratic process. More can be said on this than I could fit and in a post and I've probably babbled more than what should be babbled on an electronics engineering forum anyway, but a perfect example of one dominion of the left that has its head intractably stuck up its arse in this regard is in the morally bereft and practically non-existent response of traditional feminism to the spreading scourge of fundamentalist Islam.Contrary to the babbling of relativists, not all societies are equal and the weather vane by which the state of advancement of any society can be assessed is in the freedoms and liberties that women enjoy in equality to men. Just to cite one example, on the topic of the deplorable practice of female genital mutilation (FGM), Germain Greer's response when pressed was to scornfully bark back with something along the lines of "well we have our own issues with the treatment of women here in the west, so who are we to tell those of other cultures how to behave?". There is so much wrong with this it is difficult to see where to start. FGM isn't a rare practice; for example in Egypt, a majority Muslim country that I presume most westerners would consider relatively civilized, over 90% of currently married women are estimated to have suffered some form or variation of the procedure:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/06/female-genital-mutilation-egyptIn Somalia it is nearer 100%.So put that in perspective with the fight won for the sexual liberation of women in the west and the very credit assumed by the feminist movement for having got it. Then try to comprehend the obvious disinterest and not just the comparative silence, but also the glib dismissals like that of Greer's, by the exact same feminist movement for the plight of so many women in the East who enjoy no such freedom, but instead a degree of privation that women in the west haven't endured since the dark ages. Feminists like Germain Greer aren't driven by empathy for their fellow "sisters" of different colour, creed or culture, which one naive should think was universal, but of a hatred of the values of thewestand how they collectively perceive these values to be oppressive tothem. FGM of Arab chicks? Pffft !The last time I saw Greer on TV that disheveled and grotesque, aging lump of mutton-dressed-as-lamb was on the panel of an Australian quiz/game show boasting with glee about how much she enjoys having sex with men half or one third her age as "semen flows from them like water from a tap". In contrast to that thing we have fresh campaigners for women's rights such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the somewhat less academically inclined but still admirable Waris Dirie, whose recourse to shift public conscience was to commit their painful experiences, humiliations and torture to print. The former is an uncompromising critic of the worse excesses of fundamentalist Islam and she literally risks her neck for it.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 02:58:33 pm
content: Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a compatible immigrant, and a hero.http://thedailyshow.cc.com/extended-interviews/gndgo0/exclusive-ayaan-hirsi-ali-extended-interview

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 03:26:00 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 09, 2015, 02:58:33 pmJon Stewart was really being a typical left-leaning asshat there. I hate to say it but Ayaan gets the fairest and most balanced hearings on Fox News.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 04:04:00 pm
content: Quote from: GK on June 09, 2015, 03:26:00 pmNo reason to hate it if it's a fact.Yes, Stuart is very light weight in that interview. Little substance, naive and not even comic value.As Erdogan once said: "We ride the bus of democracy until it takes us where we want to go; then we get off the bus."Whatever the Mormons believe or do is peanuts compared to that, but it's the lefties like to bash white Christian westerners.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 01:26:03 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 09, 2015, 04:04:00 pmI've never found The Daily Show a much of a laugh, even when the host isn't being an asshat. I think Americans should just give up on comedy as they simply don't have the aptitude for it. Probably not going to happen but at least Letterman has been put out to pasture.Also, I have to correct my prior recollection of the last time I saw Germain Greer on TV - what I recalled was in fact the second to last time. In the most recent viewing, I now recall, she was a guest of Heston Blumenthal and she swallowed a bulls testicle. I presume that the donor bull was more discerning than her previous partners and had actually volunteered to have the testicle detached beforehand.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 02:25:20 pm
content: Quote from: GK on June 09, 2015, 12:42:49 pmAt least the Germaine Greer exiled herself from Australia because she hated our country. She did us a favour by leaving, vowing never to return.The poms sent us convicts. In return we sent them Germaine Greer.The video I suspect is highly biased, although I have never been to Luton. The vast majority of Muslims in Australia are peaceful, decent people and there is no reason why they should not be allowed to practice their religion. But the small minority of Muslims who come here and try to force their religion on the rest of us, or refuse to integrate into our society, should consider going back to the utopia from where they came from where I am sure they will be a lot happier.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 02:56:43 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on June 10, 2015, 02:25:20 pmIt's not just in Luton.Some immigrant groups are less compatible that others and are less inclined to assimilate. It's a ticking time bomb. I wouldn't worry about Mormon immigrants.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 04:16:50 pm
content: Quote from: GK on June 08, 2015, 01:43:54 pmIt's sad, but how would you propose preventing it? They have the same legal standing as any arbitrator, it's almost all contract law (that law society shit from last year was stupid, but a stupid legal opinion was all it was ... not law). The women go to these courts of their own will and agree to submit to their decisions. Sure community pressure pushes her to using it ... but pressuring into submission is what communities do, especially religious ones.You could regulate religion directly, but ehh. Or you might be able to use hate speech types of laws ... so, do you support those kinds of laws? The problem with the right is that they accuse the left of hypocrisy for not using "their" laws to deal with discriminatory religions ... but then turn around and say they don't want those laws in the first place and have no real tools of their own to stop the religious practices they oppose. So there is enough hypocrisy to go around.I for one am perfectly alright with both having hate speech laws and using them on religions though ... it should only be illegal to discriminate against non discriminatory religions. The only way we'll ever move forward is by removing religion from it's pedestal and place secular ethical standards above them, as long as we don't we're better off with a single state religion which is least objectionable, otherwise the more virulent religions will just use our laws against us.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 05:31:37 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 08, 2015, 03:23:30 pmevolution is inevitable. there are 2 ways to grow (without killing).... 1) persuade or teach others aka conversion (teach to love, not to hate) 2) multiply aka breed many children and then teach them what you believe... whether you like it or not? you try both ways in the right way, just if you have the guts... evolution is inevitable, the strong survives, everybody blab that out of there mouth...otoh it is a strange world you are living in... i'm not interested in another new religious book for fee stuff. some OT light reading fwiw...http://www.onislam.net/english/news/asia-pacific/482889-chinese-imams-forced-to-dance.htmlhttp://www.onislam.net/english/reading-islam/understanding-islam/islam-and-the-world/worldview/486925-i-was-forced-to-accept-islam.html

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 05:38:06 pm
content: having said that, the problem of religious muslim people is their failure to get back and understand to the basic and ultimate source ie qoran and hadith. they mostly believe from the mouth of some "special" prominent people, just like the rest of other religions and unreligions... bishops, imams, monks, professors... just imagine a person keep asking questions in forum, misc people replying and he ended up believing and keep practising whats advice in forum without refering back to original textbooks, theory, AoE stuff. believing from the wrong sources may lead to self-destruction.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2015, 02:27:03 am
content: Quote from: Marco on June 10, 2015, 04:16:50 pmThat's easy, don't let illegals and more incompatible immigrants into your country, it can get much worse.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 11, 2015, 03:22:07 am
content: This will only go downhill. Locked.