Nasty Message on Dirty PCBs home page - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: JoeO
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 03:23:00 pm
content: Wow. It is really nasty. I will bet that they will say their website was hacked.NEW ORDERS SHIP AFTER FEB. 16TH! IT IS SPRING FESTIVAL, CHINA IS CLOSED. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS, IT IS THE BIGGEST COUNTRY AND ECONOMY IN THE WORLD, THEY MAKE ALLZ YOUR STUFFS! WE WILL NOT ANSWER ANY EMAILS ABOUT ORDERS PLACED IN THIS PERIOD! NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EMERGENCIES, NO NOTHING. A BIG NOTHING BURGER. GOT IT?!?!http://dirtypcbs.com/index.php

author: StuUK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 03:36:06 pm
content: On the basis it's not in chinglish they probably were hacked.....

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 03:38:48 pm
content: Morons.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

author: StuUK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 03:41:49 pm
content: Seems to be their overall style.....

author: Vgkid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 03:42:36 pm
content: I laughed while reading that. Read it in a NY accent.

author: Stupid Beard
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 03:57:52 pm
content: They put similar messages up every year for the chinese new year. Nothing surprising here. As StuUK said, that's just their overall style.

author: trevwhite
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 04:20:42 pm
content: I know them and they are really nice people. It is not meant in a nasty way.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 04:31:05 pm
content: Somebody obviously has a sense of humour.

author: HAL-42b
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 04:37:38 pm
content: I like their style

author: Cubdriver
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 06:14:04 pm
content: Some will get their noses out of joint, others will find it amusing. I'm in the latter camp.-Pat

author: Fred27
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 06:17:09 pm
content: I agree. That sounds genuine. See their FAQ and you'll find it's similar. Take it in the spirit it was meant. I was very impressed with their boards for the price.

author: AlxDroidDev
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 06:26:58 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 29, 2016, 04:31:05 pmOr absolutely none at all.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 06:57:43 pm
content: Quote from: AlxDroidDev on January 29, 2016, 06:26:58 pmTrue, it is of a dryness and to the point that could be either extreme sarcasm or humour it's really down to how you look at it.

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 09:12:27 pm
content: Ya, it's a Gen Y twit managing the page - that thinks it's cool and professional to talk gangsta! sigh.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 09:15:34 pm
content: I suppose marketing try to cater for ther audience they think they have.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 09:31:10 pm
content: That's just how dirtypcbs roll, it's dirty by name, dirty by nature, no frills, no hand holding, no patting you on the head and saying "there-there it'll be allright". You want fancy service with bells and whistles there are plenty of others.Also, the message is entirely factual. China is closed for the next couple of weeks. It closes every year. This is not a new thing.PS: From what Ian has said recently, at best dirtypcbs breaks even, and between the lines, I think he may be optimistic in that. I don't know how dangerousprototypes actually makes enough money to operate on a daily basis, it's not from dirtypcbs.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 09:45:53 pm
content: From what I can tell, dirtypcbs are really providing the bare minimum service and a price to go with it. Clearly not for production. I like the fact that they explain they are cheap, dirty, sleazy even. Hey, fuck you if you only get 8 or 9 boards instead of 10... It's still 8 or 9 boards for the price of 1 or 2... It's what China sent.No comebacks, no hand-holding, what do you want from a sleazy backstreet PCB seller? (Do you know what that stuff does to kids? Oh that's PCP, Angel Dust, sorry)Upfront marketing of the dodgy service that is on offer for a price. I wouldn't hesitate to use them, considering I would be happy with a few boards for a proto anyway.It turns out that only a small percentage get the bad service, but forewarned is forearmed.

author: KL27x
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 10:20:16 pm
content: The message is clear and succinct enough. No wasting of time for them or you.I was just in the customer service department of a client and it is hard to believe how much hand holding the average Americans consumer demands. It could seriously require 5 minutes of politely repeating yourself to get a guy to accept a simple fact or instruction. Even if it is good news. Americans apparently consider someone to talk with to be part of the purchase price.I think I'll try them out in the future.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 10:22:38 pm
content: Lets face it, it just got us all talking about them, I'd never heared of them before but i have now beucase they put up a sarky message and here we all are. I'm sure that come mid february they will find they have more customers than before.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 29, 2016, 11:32:21 pm
content: The English is in a similar style to other parts of their website so it is probably genuine. Clicking on the "Contact" tab shows how unprofessional these clowns are. I would not buy anything from them.I have never bought PCBs made in red China. I don't trust them. Silver Circuits in Malaysia makes good boards and is reasonably cheap and have a good service level, but being run by the Chinese, they close down during Chinese New Year. Circuit Labs in New Zealand has a quality and a service level that is exemplary. Their turnaround time is fast, VERY fast. And they don't close down during Chinese New Year. EEVBlog did a review on them and since then I have bought all my prototype boards from them and have never been disappointed. They even discovered a serious internal track clearance rule violation that bloody Altium 14's DRC failed to pick up (A bug in Altium).Two rules of thumb:1. You get that you pay for.2. Quality is long remembered after the price is forgotten.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 02:34:07 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on January 29, 2016, 11:32:21 pmNew Zealand effectively closes down during Xmas-New Year for at least 2 weeks. You can pretty much forget about anything getting done except for retail from the 24th of December right until the 10th or 11th of January.China the same, just a different time of year.

author: Muxr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 03:01:07 am
content: It's obviously a joke. I have been using them for prototyping boards. And I have nothing but good things to say about them. I hit a few snags, like when I upgraded my KiCad my gerber settings got a little messed up and they told me exactly what it was in a few hours. They are HK based but I get my boards faster from them than OSHPark. And the price is comparable with the DHL option. They also provide stainless steel stencils.The quality isn't as good as Oshpark but it's pretty decent despite their name, for what I need at least, and I can also pick a color!

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 03:10:29 am
content: Quote from: Muxr on January 30, 2016, 03:01:07 amInteresting, since OHSpark sources their manufacturing from US companies.OTOH, it probably takes OHSpark longer to fill a standard panel size since Dirty probably has an order of magnitude more customers.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 03:44:31 am
content: I like it, it's funny.Added them to my list of PCB makers.

author: Royce
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 03:59:57 am
content: Seeing this thread and knowing the backstory of the service, I wonder if it is really quite a clever message. It both informs customers and filters them. There is a lesson in branding here perhaps.

author: matseng
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 04:06:36 am
content: The bad translations signs are not really relevant here since the owner and front man is born and bred the the good old USA... Iowa or Idaho if I remember correctly... Unless one of his underlings got free hands of updating the web of course, then all bets are off.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 04:38:19 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on January 30, 2016, 04:10:33 amProbably not anymore.I have met many individuals around the world who spoke remarkably good English and with good accents.Perhaps the majority of them said that they had learned English from watching US/UK/OZ television. And for decades now, India has been the largest publisher of books and other printed material in English. And there are reputed to be more people in China who speak English than in the US.Considering the influx of people into the US who don't speak English, it would appear that the trend here is away from speaking English.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 06:09:23 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on January 30, 2016, 04:56:13 amI, and everyone I went to school with, and almost everyone who went to school in England at the same time, went through 6 years of compulsory French lessons. I even passed exams with decent marks. I've never actually been able understand a single sentence in the language whether spoken in writing and I've only gotten worse with time seeing as it's quite useless to me. I can imagine most Chinese people have about the same need for English beyond school.*The other had the choice of Spanish, even more useful

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 06:21:40 am
content: When we went to Romainia, we found that it was pretty easy to tell what languages people spoke simply by their age. Those who were educated during the communist era all spoke Romanian and Russian. And after the Ceau?escus were eliminated, everyone appeared to immediately switch to English as their second language.I studied Spanish in high-school in Southern California. But out teacher was a Gringo who learned the Castilian version of Spanish and that is what we learned. All the native speakers of Spanish from Mexico (et.al.) laughed at our "upper-crust" Spanish dialect.

author: matseng
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 06:30:01 am
content: hehe, that sounds like me when I spent 6 months studying Arabic with a Swedish teacher that previously lived and studied higher level Arabic at a university in Egypt.... Must have been a strange mix of dialects when I tried to speak to an Emirati in Arabic but they actually understood me sometimes :-)

author: AlxDroidDev
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2016, 01:40:20 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on January 30, 2016, 06:21:40 amAs a Brazilian exchange student, I had my senior high-school year in the US, and learned French from an Italian teacher. I also learned some Italian and Spanish with my friends over there (who were all exchange students... we tend to stick together), and I also practiced my French with them.I no longer can speak/write French or Italian, also I still know just a little, enough to pickup errors in translated subtitles whenever I watch European movies. My Spanish, OTOH, is fairly good, and I can keep a conversation with native speakers.I consider my  English to be pretty good, but I have a hard time understanding spoken Australian English. My brother-in-law is Australian (from Brisbane) and whenever we meet and he speaks, I just nod and smile. He might as well be calling me the most awful names and I am just there, nodding and smilling!

author: Fred27
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 01, 2016, 03:45:53 pm
content: Well I just got an email saying my board has shipped, so despite the message some of China is still at work. Let's see if that includes the post office.

author: chrisc
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 01, 2016, 04:44:26 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on January 29, 2016, 11:32:21 pmAnother thumbs-up for Circuit Labs. Had a 4-layer PCB that I needed before Christmas but couldn't submit until the 17th. They had it done and shipped by Monday the 21st.If it weren't for DHL/Aust Post f*cking it up I'd have had it by Christmas, too, as normally it only takes two days to get to me. DHL gave it to Aust Post on Tuesday, who then proceeded to screw things up totally by mis-sorting it and sending it somewhere else entirely. I was aware of this from the tracking info but AP said there was nothing they could do other than 'wait for the other location to notice and return it'. I got it the following week.Reminds me, I ought to write CL and suggest they provide an option for UPS or Fedex. Will cost more than DHL but if it really needs to be there on time it's not worth the risk of allowinganythinginto the clutches of AP, especially with their new reduced services.