Logic MSO (Saleae) - Page 1
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author: dav888
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2025, 07:19:38 pm
content: anyone tried the new one Saleae Logic MSO?whats good, whats bad?any teardowns out there?

author: voltsandjolts
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2025, 08:00:37 pm
content: https://www.reddit.com/r/embedded/comments/1kd3r8c/saleaes_new_logic_analyzer_oscilloscope_mso/A good quote there sums it up for me: "Device looks nice, pricing is bonkers."

author: MadTux
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2025, 11:12:05 pm
content: So far, most likely just another company trying to milk the cash out of the usual ADC+FPGA design that barely goes above 1GS/sJust not price competitive with other similar instruments (DsLogic....), while Rigol and Sigilent are already moving towards custom silicon and better sample rates.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2025, 12:10:34 am
content: These guys do know how to make professional hardware and software. The specs are nothing groundbreaking, but the form factor and software look pretty nice.The price seems a bit excessive, but not enough to be an issue for a professional user who needs a tool that is easy to use and just works. The decoders, APIs, and data/settings import/export are also pretty well implemented and keep improving. Those are important and valuable aspects to someone for who time is money.Having owned and used several logic analysers, my Saleae Logic (original) or Logic Pro 8 are always my first choice. They obviously won't do everything one of the Tek boat anchors can do, or a high end MSO from Tek/R&S/etc.For those who are interested, these are not on the main Saleae site but are athttps://logicmso.com/Saleae do offer discounts on some products for students/hobbyists/startups, but not the MSO range.https://blog.saleae.com/saleae-discounts/

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2025, 01:42:46 am
content: I don't need one of those. I don't need one of those. I don't need one of those. I don't need one of those. I don't need one of those.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2025, 04:03:36 am
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on September 22, 2025, 01:42:46 amHello,look at the price. That helps.Best regards,egonotto

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2025, 04:14:14 am
content: I would have to use one to really know for sure. Maybe they have solved some of the UI issues with PC scopes, but in general I don't think a PC based solution works well for scopes.PC based works really well for logic analyzers, where you want to capture data (sometimes lots) and scroll through reviewing it while coding.But for doing general o-scope tasks you're constantly tweaking knobs, adjusting settings, re-probing rinse repeat. It just doesnt suit a point/click GUI.I'm actually surprised we don't have many PC based o-scope solutions that come with a simple/dumb USB control panel that has all the normal scope buttons/knobs on it.I'm totally down with the idea to use my large PC monitor as a big scope screen if I have proper controls.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2025, 04:54:05 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on September 22, 2025, 04:03:36 amSure does. The enthusiast price for the Logic 8 isn't terrible tho. But I have 16 channels with the Magnova, so I don't need it...and I don't really use those either.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2025, 06:12:03 pm
content: Hello,if I understand correctly, the digital channels are streamed to the PC, but the analog channels are not.Best regards,egonotto

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2025, 09:47:43 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on September 22, 2025, 06:12:03 pmUsually at a certain point the sample rate will drop to "streaming rate", but it looks like its not the case here, so a step backwards. Though they can probably easily add it in software in the future.QuoteI don't know why they bothered making 9 and 12 bit versions, the BOM difference must be minimal no?

author: jusaca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2025, 08:47:55 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on September 22, 2025, 09:47:43 pmIn the GS/s portfolio the difference between 9 Bit and 12 Bit ADCs can be quite a huge price-step. If the 12 Bit one is just 100$ more expensive than the 9 Bit one it already seems like a no-brainer to make different versions. At least when you aim to sell thousands of units.

author: Sorama
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2025, 08:57:19 am
content: Quote from: jusaca on September 23, 2025, 08:47:55 amcan it be software limited?

author: MadTux
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2025, 09:23:00 am
content: Quote from: jusaca on September 23, 2025, 08:47:55 amMost certainly, 100$ in parts sell for 1000$ in finished unit and no way for those undesired users to hack, since it's all in hardware.And with hardly more effort in software....That's the way it works nowadays.Back in the days, budget Tek 7704A was truly budget and Tek 7104 was all the engineering tricks for extra price, times have changed, people got lazy and greedy....

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2025, 09:06:11 pm
content: Quote from: jusaca on September 23, 2025, 08:47:55 amLooking again yes you are right, 9bit 1.3 GSPS ADC seems to be a thing, for only $50:ADC09SJ1300AAVT12-bit is in the $200-400 range but I can't find solid pricing. I was thinking cheaper options existed but I guess not.Siglent used theADC12D1000so they probably have done the same.Quote from: Sorama on September 23, 2025, 08:57:19 amThey said its not software unlocked, its still possible but seems unlikely. The RAM might be soldered or socketed.