R&S ScopeRider RTH1002 RTH1004 Thread - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2020, 08:45:05 am
content: Hi,just got my hands on a RTH 1002 to replace my FlukieDookie 190-II. So I thought I'd make a thread for the limited number of owners where we can post tips and tricks. etc.For those who do not know the ScopeRider is a Rohde & Schwarz portable scope with very good specs for a portable device. As I often work on boats having a good portable scope is nice and high contrast is great.The ScopeRiders come in 2 main configurations - either with 4 Scope channels or with 2 Scope channels + 1 DMM. Default is 60MHz for the scope but software upgradable to 500MHz. You can also add an 8 channel logic analyser - and spec it out with a multitude of protocol options. Digital logic channels are up to 250MHz. Not as many options as many desktop scopes but quite a few like CAN/SENT/Serial/etc. Digital logic channels are up to 250MHz.It has a nice colour high contrast touch screen - but with all the usual buttons. Menu system is pretty much standard "modern" R&S like the RTB2000/RTM3000 series.Initial Positives:* The screen is great most viewing angles are perfect.* Easy to use menu system.* Touch screen works much like RTB/RTM* 5gSamples / sec (vs 2.5 on RTB)* 10 Bit ADC (vs Fluke 190-II 8bit)* Lots of protocol decode optionsInitial Negatives:* Only 500kSample memory (vs 20M on RTB and 80M on RTM - 50M available in Segmented men option)* Buttons can easily get stuck* Screen view angle looking down on scope is terrible. Makes it hard to stand scope on the floor and working at a height.* Almost EVERYTHING is a paid for add on.* Very expensive to add options to - there are a few bundle packs - but again very expensive. Each individual decode option is about Euro 900-1200 plus VAT. The bundle pack RTH-PK1 contains most add-ons - but costs roughly EUR 3500 plus vat. As you are not getting as many decode options vs a desktop scope bundle pack - the price seemsvery excessive.So post your tips and tricks here;First tip(s):* The batteries from R&S (R&S HA-Z306) have a price of Euro 280,- plus VAT... But the batteries are just standard RRC 2040-2 - which can be picked up for around Euro 100 incl. shipping and VAT. (https://www.texim-europe.com/product/RRC-2040-2-RRC)* The power supply (R&S RT-ZA14) is the same as Keysight U1610/U1620 - so Keysight part no U1574A - BridgePower Corp BPI060S15F0x 15v 4A - the X is customer number for for Keysight it is 3 - but please check if it is correct polarity - RTH is Center Positive. Keysight's 4A U1574A seems a LOT cheaper then R&S equivalent. Mine came with an alternative power supply so I do not know the full part number for the RTH OEM.

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2020, 07:14:30 pm
content: Despite the negatives - the RTH have many positives......So I found an new one (500MHz with many options) - and sold my 200MHz to a fellow EEVBlog member.So the only thing I wanted to extend (As it is 2 channel + DMM) was the Logic probe extension MSO (RTH-B1) for the RTH as when I do "offshore" multi channel it is usually part logic signals I'm looking at and the DMM was more "needed" than 4 analogue channels.So I went ahead and tried ordering from R&S direct as nobody stock it.I must say dealing with R&S is like dancing with an 800 lbs gorilla. My god they are bureaucratic to the extreme.I have dealt a lot with Keysight - and it is like day and night.I do think I have finally ordered the RTH-B1 option - but I'm still not quite certain. But I guess once they have processed it - it might be processed with German efficiency....

author: balage
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2020, 11:07:32 am
content: Quote from: kaz911 on April 27, 2020, 08:45:05 amHi RTH owner fellowes,I thing that the earlier RTHs have the stucking type buttons. I have tried one for a few before buying mine and relised that the demo device had low profile buttons that have stuck easily. The one I have has "taller" buttons which when are pushed tall enough not to stuck under the plastic frame. Should I take a picture of the height of the buttons?

author: balage
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2020, 11:13:48 am
content: Quote from: kaz911 on April 27, 2020, 08:45:05 amHave you verified that a normal RRC2040-2 in compatible with the RTH? I was thinking if Rohde has hacked the RTH to accept only Rohde batteries. They could have done it as the battery has SMB bus for communication.

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2020, 08:16:54 pm
content: Quote from: balage on August 11, 2020, 11:13:48 amYes I bought one from Texim and used it in my 200MHz - no issues at all.

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2020, 08:18:08 pm
content: Quote from: balage on August 11, 2020, 11:07:32 amyes please - and if you could measure height that would be great as well

author: profanum429
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2020, 02:16:18 am
content: Quote from: kaz911 on August 12, 2020, 08:18:08 pmI just recieved my RTH1004 at work last week; I can take a look at the buttons tomorrow or Friday when I'm in the office also. It's pretty new (can't remember the manufacture date, but fairly certain in the last few months). Ended up with the 500MHz + MSO and was able to get in on the COM4US pack that included the entire application pack for quite a reduced price. From using it a little, it is a very nice portable scope, and nicer than most of the bench scopes we have here also, haha. I ended up snagging a set of 4x Isoprobe IV 10:1 probes too seperately; they make a really nice lower rated probe that are pretty small compared to the stock R&S rebranded Isoprobes IIs (I think they are IIs, same style as my old 199C).

author: profanum429
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2020, 05:02:21 pm
content: Made it into the office today and took a few pictures of the buttons on my RTH1004 unit. They stand out pretty much 2mm from the face of the instrument and I don't think I could get them stuck. The only button that is inlaid some is the power button.

author: zitoune
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2020, 03:44:10 am
content: Hello,I own a RTH1004 with a few options and this definitely a great scope. One of the massive advantage of that scope is that it comes with isolated channels so you do not use and differential probe, you have actually 4 of them! In addition their CAT rating is high (CAT IV 600 V / CAT III 1000 V safety rating) so you do not need to buy a high voltage probe; in some way this is expected from a portable device.Decoding options work very well as well as the MSO. Sometimes I wish the screen is bigger as there could be lots of info to be displayed.I never experienced stuck buttons though.Thanks.

author: LampHead
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2020, 03:37:31 am
content: I got a base config RTH1004 too. Bought it for isolated channels and with hope that some one will open some features one day

author: maex
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2021, 05:01:13 pm
content: A Upgrade should be possible. The Firmware isn't encrypted.

author: LampHead
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2021, 06:08:21 am
content: Hey MaexCan you indicate which SW to use to unpack the FW and play with it ?

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2021, 08:40:51 pm
content: Here is the parsing of the 2 last FWs that I have (.RSI files):Code:<removed>With this information anyone can easily have a look at the bootloader, linux FS and MainApp.

author: LampHead
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2021, 05:37:55 pm
content: Will do

author: skander36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2021, 10:19:17 am
content: TV84, I've seen that the RTH UI is similar to RTB's. Is there a chance that RTH run MESOS?If yes, how can I run the script on an RTB?Thank you!

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2021, 11:52:57 am
content: I not near my notes but I don't think. I'll have to look if there is any way to do something similar in the RTB although I think RTB FW packages don't contain an update script.

author: skander36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2021, 12:20:47 pm
content: I can have access to some called "Admin Browser", but it is limited to just some folders and I didn't think that let me execute something on shell.

author: zrq
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2021, 11:40:13 am
content: Is there any updates on hacking this? I'm interested in buying one if it's hackable.BTW: seems the root password is not very simple, I ran hashcat for some days but haven't solved it yet.

author: simba15
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2021, 09:09:50 pm
content: So at my previous job I used this scope as my go to unit.It is a great and powerful scope! the only issues i ever found with it was then the touch screen is very susceptible to EMI.When working with large VFD's I would disable the touch screen. ( one time the device started acting extremely erratic, after a reboot the device would fail the self-test, Luckily this was fully replaced under warranty)They aint cheap.

author: Xandinator
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2021, 07:51:33 am
content: 2 mm button height confirmed, no stickiness and smooth action. Once you get used to the channel isolation, you wonder how you could have lived without it.