problem with uCurrent gold - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 24, 2017, 05:09:35 am
content: I have modified my uCurrent with 3xAAA batteries, maybe I have broken it. Supply voltage is currently 4.4 V. mA and uA range is fine, but nA behaves strange: With 1 uA I can measure 1 mV in the uA range and I can verify the current with my HM8012, but in the nA range the output voltage is 40 mV and it jumps around when I touch the output, sometimes 20 mV. I know, I probably shouldn't do this because of ESD, but the output is stable with the other ranges. Maybe one of the OpAmps is broken and I can order it from Digikey to replace it?

author: guenthert
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2017, 01:15:43 am
content: You might of course have broken it, but I doubt it. It's more likely that you do measure noise. In the nA range, the uCurrent uses a 10kOhm shunt resistor which seems high enough to easily pick up RFI. Best to place the uCurrent *and* the DUT both in an shielded enclosure.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 26, 2017, 09:17:29 am
content: RFI shouldn't be a problem. My HM8012 has a 1 k resistor for the uA range and doesn't show this problem with the same setup.But I narrowed down the problem. First I created a test setup without any power supply, to eliminate this as a possible error source, just a 1.5 V battery and a 1 meg ohm resistor. And if I don't touch anything, it shows the right value. But as soon as I touch the positive output or input it changes up to 60%. I verified it with my BM257s and it doesn't have this problem.I created a short video to demonstrate the effect:I guess it is me adding some induced mains voltage etc. that causes the problem and now I know this for future measurements, but why don't my other multimeters have this problem? Can anyone reproduce the problem, to verify that this is the normal uCurrent behaviour, and maybe know how to fix it? Usually I don't need to measure fast signals, so maybe adding a capacitor somewhere might help? Or Dave needs to create another "trap for young players" video

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2017, 09:25:47 am
content: I wonder if something is oscillating, can you put a scope on the output?

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 26, 2017, 01:48:26 pm
content: You are right, it is oscillating a lot. This is how it looks like when I touch the output:But it is a problem of my measurement setup, I guess because of the cables, because it only oscillates when I'm at the same time near the input with my other hand. I can even adjust the frequency and amplitude when I move my other hand towards the output, very sensitive, like a thereminI added a 100 nF capacitor to the input and the problem is gone. Now the only remaining artifact is when I touch the input, then I can see mains:But I guess this is to be expected, because enough current flows somehow from my body into it and back with parasitic capacitors. When I touch the output, absolutely no oscillations anymore, problem solvedAnd even no need to solder anything, you just need to screw in the capacitor in the banana socket (usually I use banana plugs, so I don't need the holes), just in case someone has the same problem:

author: JDW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2017, 09:24:42 am
content: Did you put a scope on the uCurrent before you changed to the AAA battery pack? In other words, was there any ringing visible on a scope when using the stock button cell battery?Also, what are the negative implications of adding that capacitor?

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 29, 2017, 11:17:43 am
content: Quote from: JDW on March 29, 2017, 09:24:42 amNo, I didn't measure it with a scope before. But I guess it is the same, not related to the battery. It is just too sensitive in nA range.QuoteIf you want to measure AC, the capacitor conducts in parallel with the internal shunt resistor (depending on the frequency), which results in an error. But I think no problem for DC, which I measure most often.

author: luisprata
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2017, 06:33:45 pm
content: My issues using ucurrent and scope...https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/ucurrent-ma-range-error-using-oscilloscope-and-function-generator/msg1192329/?topicseen#msg1192329