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author: ulwur
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 10:19:21 am
content: I'm looking for that black cloth electrical tape with very strong adhesive that's used in electronics sometimes. Like keeping antenna wires from wiggling in laptops and such.What's the right keywords to search. Black tape just brings up the pvc variant electricians use.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 10:47:38 am
content: Look for "cloth tape".

author: ulwur
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 01:26:51 pm
content: That's what I searched for and I got some form of fuzzy cloth tape used to tape cable looms in cars , fuzzy to keep down rattling I guess.The tape I'm looking for is kind of shiny and smooth.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 01:42:03 pm
content: Your description is not enough to conclusively identify it (but that isn’t a criticism of you: it can be impossible to identify an unknown tape). There are too many tapes that are visually identical but have subtly or radically different characteristics.I think a better question is “what features are you looking for in a tape?” As in, what are the performance characteristics you require? What is the problem you’re looking to solve?Take a look athttps://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/371333O/specialty-catalog-05-tapes.pdf?&fn=Spec-Cat-05_Tapes.pdf— there are many cloth or filament-reinforced tapes made for electrical use. (Look at page 150.)

author: Roehrenonkel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 02:18:04 pm
content: Hi ulwur,something like this:https://heinrich-haeusler.de/article-detail/1000847912?In germany they go unter the name "Isolierband",may search for "PVC/Vinyl Iso-tape" or so.....Good luck

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 02:20:03 pm
content: Quote from: Roehrenonkel on November 24, 2024, 02:18:04 pmAch Mensch… did you even read the original post? PVC electrical tape is what OPdoes notwant.

author: BILLPOD
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 02:40:04 pm
content: Good Morning Ulwur, Back in the day, (1950s), we called it 'Friction Tape'. And I see it is still available.

author: calzap
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 03:45:22 pm
content: Take a look at XFasten wire harness tape.https://xfasten.com/collections/wire-harness-tapes?srsltid=AfmBOordJcH0QWRn1d08TAvTp8NLsZe-PEm-TuAlsGRweS_KkaY-HwPbMike

author: ejeffrey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 04:35:58 pm
content: There is non-fuzzy fabric gaffers tape they might be similar to what you are looking for? Here is an example:https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Basics-Residue-Non-Reflective-Gaffers/dp/B07K1WW8WW

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 07:38:17 pm
content: This might be the stuff you are looking for:https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007458156179.htmlI searched for "black automotive tape"

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 11:31:01 pm
content: Quote from: BILLPOD on November 24, 2024, 02:40:04 pmI like friction tape, but it does not have a very sticky adhesive.I have seen the black fiber reinforced tape that the OP is referring to, but I have no idea what it is called or where to get it. It is incredibly difficult to remove from itself and other surfaces. I always end up cutting it to get it off.

author: mikerj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2024, 11:34:44 pm
content: The cloth tape used on automotive wiring looms is commonly called "Tesa tape", since Tesa is a leading brand name of this type of tape.

author: seedkey
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2024, 04:08:42 am
content: Hockey tape

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2024, 07:19:50 am
content: Digikey > Product Index > Tapes, Adhesives, Materials > Tape+ filter for fabric carriers = 500 something resultsQuote from: David Hess on November 24, 2024, 11:31:01 pmas aboveQuote from: tooki on November 24, 2024, 01:42:03 pm"friction tape" as a range that as DigiKey serves up has a spread of matching styles including branding like "StrongHold". Adhesion in production relies on cleanliness/surface prep and/or activators.

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2024, 07:53:09 am
content: 3M electrical tape#361https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b40068300/

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2024, 08:45:39 am
content: Quote from: ulwur on November 24, 2024, 10:19:21 amIn the tape you're thinking of, is the cloth more like cotton cloth, or more like a shiny, woven synthetic ribbon?

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 12:01:12 am
content: Quote from: tooki on November 26, 2024, 08:45:39 amThe tape I remember was shiny black with visible fiber reinforcement, relatively thin, and not very stretchy. I think it came in all colors.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 02:31:01 am
content: Wire harness tape?https://salelink.co.nz/products/fleece-tape

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 02:55:00 am
content: Quotealmost sounds like gaffer tape

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 03:07:15 am
content: I bought some not too long ago on Amazon, sounds like what you are speaking of. It was called "Acetate Cloth Electrical Tape, 0.4in x 100ft (10mm x 30M) Black Insulating Fabric Adhesive Tape for Laptop Guitar Pickup Coil Transformer Cable Winding Bookbinding Repair"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01E8W9XEO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

author: notsob
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 03:36:25 am
content: Try searching foracid tape or acetic acid tape

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 08:37:23 pm
content: Quote from: themadhippy on November 27, 2024, 02:55:00 amGaffer's tape is one of the thickest tapes you can get.So it definitely doesn't meet the "relatively thin" descriptor.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 08:39:56 pm
content: Quote from: notsob on November 27, 2024, 03:36:25 amAre those poor translations of "acetate tape"? It certainly looks like acetate cloth tape might be what OP is looking for.(Acetate ≠ acid ≠ acetic acid. They're not the same thing, even if acetate is made from acetic acid.)

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 08:44:36 pm
content: Quotenot if yer buying the cheap stuff

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 08:48:29 pm
content: Quote from: themadhippy on November 27, 2024, 08:44:36 pmI've never seen gaffer's tape that even remotely qualifies as "thin".

author: ksjh
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 09:32:01 pm
content: Quote from: mikerj on November 24, 2024, 11:34:44 pmIn Germany, Tesa tape would just be golden-clear transparent office adhesive tape, like Sellotape in the UK or Scotch Tape in the US or Canada. The automotive stuff is most likely Tesa 51608, a 280 µm thin PET fleece wire harness tape:https://www.tesa.com/en/industry/tesa-51608.htmlTesa makes a number different non-woven wire harnessing tapes, where 51608 is one of the thinnest variants:https://www.tesa.com/en/industry/applications/bundling/non-woven-tapes

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 09:46:02 pm
content: Quote from: Someone on November 26, 2024, 07:19:50 amWell yes, but it's not just surface preparation (cleaning, priming, activating, etc). They make tapes with a HUGE array of different adhesives that behave entirely differently. Some are good for certain materials, others better for others.I work in the workshop at a university chemistry department, and we have to use a huge variety of materials due to the various chemical compatibility needs, with stainless steel and teflon being disproportionately represented (but also lots of glass, polycarbonate, hard PVC, PEEK, PBT, and others). Each poses different challenges with adhesives (both tapes and liquids/pastes/gels) and sealants. So it's not unusual for us to call up the adhesives suppliers for advice on what to use for a particular job. It goes way beyond the basics of cleanliness and primers.(At work I recently threw out a few rolls of ~$35/roll 3M double-sided tape that went bad after too many years of storage -- it has strong adhesive on one side, and weak (similar to post it notes) on the other. Unfortunately the strong side aged to where it adhered permanently to the liner.)

author: ksjh
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 09:56:19 pm
content: In addition to the non-woven (Tesa) fleece tapes, the automotive industry also uses some woven cloth tape variants, e.g., from certoplast:https://certoplast.com/en/products/fabric-tapes/

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2024, 09:59:46 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on November 27, 2024, 09:46:02 pmI agree with all of that! Your quote was included for agreement/acknowledgment that it had already been said. That full stop in the middle, makes it two distinct statements/claims.QuoteDavid Hess incorrectly claims friction tape is associated with a single range/form of adhesive.QuoteSomething that had not yet been mentioned in the thread and important for people seeking maximum adhesion.Still more agreement, for people unsure you're sadly not going to get much out of the catalogues or online listings (once upon a time I had some selection matrix charts for material adhesion) so ask a specialist.

author: mikerj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2024, 11:06:05 am
content: Quote from: ksjh on November 27, 2024, 09:32:01 pmThis shows how industries adopting brand names as a generic product name can be confusing!

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 03:49:47 am
content: Quote from: Someone on November 27, 2024, 09:59:46 pmWhen someone mentions "friction tape", this is what I think of and I have a roll of it in front of me:https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b00042714/https://www.amazon.com/1755-Friction-Tape-Inchx60-0-01/dp/B003WLVJZ4It is cotton cloth embedded with rubber with no adhesive other than the rubber itself. It never really sticks to anything else, but when wrapped tightly, the rubber between layers sort of merges. Heating will burn rather than melt it.A search on Amazon for "friction tape" returns many similar cloth+rubber tapes.The tape mentioned in the OP is something I may have seen before but never identified despite wanting a roll. In at least the form I am familiar with, it is shiny black, or sometimes shiny yellow, with a visible loose crosshatch of fibers, and has an incredibly strong adhesive so I end up just cutting and scissoring it off. I have sometimes seen what is apparently the same tape used for motor windings.

author: shabaz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2024, 04:31:00 am
content: This is the closest I've seen to the type of tape in some laptops and other basic consumer electronics; it's available at Amazon with the following title:uxcell Acetate Cloth Tape for Laptop Electric Auto Guitar Repair High Temperature Adhesive Tape BlackThe tape is very flexible, can be torn at a right-angle (i.e. tearing of the warp) so scissors are not essential.The tape comes on a backing sheet. Personally I prefer using Kapton tape instead if possible, since there's less time-wasting, due to no need to peel any backing sheet.

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2024, 05:52:17 am
content: For HV, mains or power Use only UL/ETL/VDE approved electrical grade tape.We use 3m or Ideal tape on pour production.Nuts to use cheap Chinese knockoffsJon

author: shabaz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2024, 06:07:21 am
content: Quote from: jonpaul on December 04, 2024, 05:52:17 amIt's used for WiFi antennas, and guitar internals, and the like. It has got nothing to do with high-voltage or mains, and Chinese origin isn't relevant either.