NEW - Hakko FR-400 Desoldering Tool - Page 1
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author: iRad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2015, 01:14:31 pm
content: Hakko FR-400Has anybody seen one yet? How much? When are they available in US and elsewhere...Some info:http://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fr400.htmlVideo:

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2015, 01:21:34 pm
content: hello, some info about FR-400 and FX-801.as you have noticed they are new products, we will get both of them on the first week of April only for test purpose.those two models are not CE approved yet, HAKKO is confident to be ready for the EU market in May 2015, but so far it is a guess only. we can provide more solid info by time to time.FR-400 is a complete new design by HAKKO for heavy duty challenge. it is interesting to see the new anti-clogging system:any question pls ask.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 09:15:18 am
content: just arrived

author: iRad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 11:39:38 am
content: Sweet

author: sotos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 03:06:20 pm
content: How about price?

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 03:12:11 pm
content: Quote from: sotos on April 01, 2015, 03:06:20 pmthe following prices can be changed from now to the official release for Europe:FR-400 EURO 1460 + VAThttp://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko-fr-400FR-400 NOZZLE N-60 series Euro 22 + VAThttp://www.batterfly.com/shop/index.php?route=product/search&filter_tag=hakkon60- - -FX-801 Euro 812 + VAThttp://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko-fx-801FX-801 Tips T33 sereis Euro 35 + VAThttp://www.batterfly.com/shop/index.php?route=product/search&filter_tag=hakkot33

author: iRad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 05:22:30 pm
content: Ouch! Not so sweet anymore...

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 05:23:19 pm
content: Quote from: iRad on April 01, 2015, 05:22:30 pm

author: sotos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2015, 08:38:50 pm
content: It’s going to be a difficult market out there at a price 1450+vat euro, when the well known Pacehttp://export.farnell.com/pace/8007-0522/desoldering-system/dp/1279330costs 882+vat euro.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 04:17:44 am
content: Pace is 120W and 8L/min suction flowHakko is 300W and 15L/min suction flowHakko new heating system will prevent clogging.FR-400 is a desoldering monster and the moment there is not a real competitor on the market, they will probably come with new models.If you have such desoldering challenges just give it a try! (Demo from seller)

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 10:41:28 am
content: Why does this high end product look like a cheap chinese crap product?Blue plastick , yellow buttons OMG

author: krivx
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 10:45:01 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on April 02, 2015, 09:32:56 amIn which production environments are thousands of joints desoldered every hour? I don't really understand the target market for this, except for the most high-end of repair/rework where price is no issue (even still...)

author: sotos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 01:15:34 pm
content: Today they don’t repair pcbs, they just throw them away and buy a new one.And especially now, all are, or going to smd.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2015, 02:06:00 pm
content: There Is a high demand for suck specs in the automotive hybrid applications

author: Smith
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2015, 05:00:09 pm
content: Quote from: sotos on April 02, 2015, 01:15:34 pmNot all PCB's are that cheap. Some (custom) ones can cost a lot, and simple repairs might be much cheaper than replacement. We repair a lot of PCB's and use a Weller WR3M. It' even more expensive than the Hakko, but also a more versatile station. It has payed itself back within a few months.

author: necroscope
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2015, 09:30:17 pm
content: Looks a lot like one of those cheap chinese desoldering stations that dave jones purchased and reviewed,It may be more powerful than the pace sx90/100 but the pace system is proven to be faultless when it comes to air-leaks and cleaning out, I would like to hear some real world reviews after a month of use to see if it requires using grease to keep air seals like the chinese guns do.

author: iRad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2015, 10:46:53 pm
content: Quote from: necroscope on April 05, 2015, 09:30:17 pmNot everyone may like the color scheme Hakko is using for much of their newer product line, but it's quality certainly is way above that of any of the cheap Chinese stations. Hakko has been making decent desoldering solutions for the money for many years. I seriously doubt it will be plagued with the kind of problems you fear. Even if first production units should have some issues, Hakko has proven itself to me to stand behind their products with excellent service and support.While the price may be much higher than most of us would like it to be (myself included), there really is not much competition in the market they have targeted with this station. All the while I'm complaining about the price, I'll be hoping I can score a good second hand FR-400 for a fraction of retail sometime in the foreseeable future.

author: necroscope
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2015, 12:07:34 am
content: Quote from: iRad on April 05, 2015, 10:46:53 pmIf they work well I would like to own one too,even though at the moment I consider myself a pace Fanboy

author: krivx
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2015, 02:59:57 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on April 05, 2015, 09:00:08 pmSure, but more economical than buying a competitor's unit for half the price, or even another Hakko for 3 or 4 times less? I certainly understand the function, I just don't get the pricepoint/featureset they've gone for.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2015, 06:11:07 am
content: The pricing I posted are not definitive. I took some Japanese Yen indication and made the conversion abd adjustment based on my experience adding a fee for CE and security test HAKKO will need to pay before selling into Europe.I just checked the American HAKKO web site and the products are not even listed yet.I guess I can be more accurate in one month from now, I'll keep this thread up to date.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2015, 07:47:13 am
content: Dear All, both units FR-400 and FX-801 are now available for Europe!All pricing are up to date on our website and you will see a much better price on the FR-400 (from euro 1460 to euro 1142) and cheaper nozzles.We accept orders starting today, delivery is scheduled for middle/end of May.Becouse of the waiting and booking we offer a 10% discount which will be valid untill April the 24th.Please add to chart the discount code BFEEV3W , this will apply the discount on both units FR-400 and FX-801.here is the linkhttp://www.batterfly.com/shop/index.php?route=product/search&filter_tag=hakko300wWe have provided a FX-801 to a local EMS and most probably next week I will go to visit them to take pictures of the unit in action. I will also have the FR-400 and try to desolder too. If they will allow me I will also record some videos.Thanks.

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2015, 08:03:49 am
content: Can't you pester Hakko to make a nozzle for the FR-300, that is similar to N60-08 / N60-09 ?

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2015, 08:05:03 am
content: Quote from: neslekkim on April 10, 2015, 08:03:49 amhello neslekkim, your request has been sent to HAKKO.thanks

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2015, 01:20:18 pm
content: Cool, thanks, would be nice to unsolder various connectors, even with the fr-300.

author: iRad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2015, 02:06:06 pm
content: Quote from: neslekkim on April 10, 2015, 08:03:49 amI second this pester! Such a nozzle would be very useful.

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2015, 02:22:01 pm
content: Quote from: iRad on April 10, 2015, 02:06:06 pmHad an idea to buy an bigger nozzle, and cnc a slot in it, but I don't have an cnc, and I don't think I'm that steady enought to use a hacksaw.

author: iRad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2015, 02:27:59 pm
content: Quote from: neslekkim on April 10, 2015, 02:22:01 pmFor that matter, just buy a capable small cnc and enough blank stock to make a few hundred nozzles. Then post the nozzles for sale and pay for the cnc. I'll buy one.

author: sotos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2015, 02:42:23 pm
content: What’s the price for nozzles?

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2015, 06:06:29 am
content: Quote from: gmit77 on April 10, 2015, 08:05:03 amit seems the FR-300 does not have enough thermal capacity to work with such shapes

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2015, 06:08:12 am
content: Quote from: sotos on April 11, 2015, 02:42:23 pmhello sotos, regular nozzles euro 16.50 and N60-08/09 euro 18.50http://www.batterfly.com/shop/index.php?route=product/search&filter_tag=hakkon60

author: OlegPowerC
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 16, 2015, 07:21:16 pm
content: HiFrequently I need to replace big ethernet connector module (through hole), many electrolytic capacitors, mounted on big polygon on the multilayer PCB and other through hole components.Now I use different China tools, and also preheat the PCB by the hot air.But it very difficult.I want to buy desoldering station.I look at PACE with SX-100 tools.Metcal MFR-1350 with MFR-H5-DSAlso may be JBC DDE with DR560-ABut when I saw this Hakko, I think it will be best for me.You already try this station in the real work?What is Your impression?Thanks!

author: GoneTomorrow
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2015, 12:37:34 am
content: Quote from: Kjelt on April 02, 2015, 10:41:28 amIt's their signature colour scheme. You can look at a workbench from 50m away and instantly tell there's a Hakko on it.Sort of like Noctua fans (generally considered the best computer fans) and their 'poo and cream' colour scheme. They get a lot of complaints, but you instantly know someones rocking Noctuas.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608026

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2015, 05:27:03 am
content: I believe the reason is that hobbieists can buy this expensive device and can fool the wife since she will think from the looks its cheap

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2015, 05:41:14 am
content: Quote from: OlegPowerC on April 16, 2015, 07:21:16 pmTuesday morning (the 21st) I'll be at customer side taking pictures and hope some video of both FX-801 and FR-400. I will post the result here to share

author: sotos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2015, 02:47:25 pm
content: Waiting it, to see how it works.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2015, 12:32:50 pm
content: hello! we are just back from shooting images and video from the customer. we are working to upload images here and the video on youtube and the link here again.stay tuned!

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2015, 05:01:30 pm
content: here is the link to YouTube video made this morning:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJrjy3cR-Ts&feature=youtu.beturn up the volume!!!

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2015, 05:05:57 pm
content: Youtube says video not available

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2015, 05:24:21 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on April 21, 2015, 05:05:57 pmYou are to fast, working fine here.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2015, 05:27:08 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on April 21, 2015, 05:05:57 pmcan you see it?it is working fine here again the linkhttps://youtu.be/ZJrjy3cR-Ts

author: OlegPowerC
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 21, 2015, 05:45:28 pm
content: I see itSoldering and desoldering snap-in Kandeil capacitors 470uF/450V on the DC bus pcb - Selema, i think for motor control deviceNice!

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2015, 06:11:35 pm
content: Quote from: gmit77 on April 21, 2015, 05:27:08 pmYes I can see it now.It does not look like it is a walk in the park desoldering those capacitors and that at 450oC.How would the FR-300 perform, fail?

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2015, 06:36:24 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on April 21, 2015, 06:11:35 pmthey own FR-300 and love it. it can do some of this job but not enought power and slow down the process.the FR-400 works just perfect!

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 07:30:30 am
content: We have now stock available for both FX-801 and FR-400FX-801:http://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko-fx-801T33 tips:http://www.batterfly.com/shop/index.php?route=product/search&filter_tag=hakkot33FR-400:http://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko-fr-400N60 nozzles:http://www.batterfly.com/shop/index.php?route=product/search&filter_tag=hakkon60

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2015, 03:19:24 pm
content: new image from customer production linelink to our e.shophttp://www.batterfly.com/shop/index.php?route=product/search&filter_tag=hakko300w