Supermarket Hyperloop - Page 1
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author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 03:41:59 am
content: I found an article about Hyperloop being used to deliver groceries and other stuff at 40mph in 90cm underground pipes.Press readerQuoteNot clear if they mean they are going to eventually build pipes to reach into homes or delivering them locally.

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 03:54:11 am
content: Pneumatic package delivery at 35 M.P.H. was installed over 100 years ago in Philadelphia, New York, and London:https://untappedcities.com/2013/03/15/nycs-pneumatic-tube-mail-network/

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 04:02:52 am
content: I know Royal Mail have got a 6.5 mile Rail Road tunnel across London that they started to build in 1927 but they were much larger above 2m diameter and they went at 40mph and it is still standing.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Post_Office_Railway

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 04:04:45 am
content: This is likely just a point to point system for limited use. It would be interesting to see a detailed analysis of the infrastructure cost, including maintenance. Amazon's drone delivery probably has a better chance of commercial success.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 04:08:19 am
content: We already have cheap and efficient transport of out online farting novelty toys.This is a massive and costly infrastructure system to overcome what problem exactly?

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 04:18:24 am
content: Instead they will just be creating a 90cm problem in the ground.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 04:23:48 am
content: Well, the "Team" have solved the problem of where their salaries are coming from for a while.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 04:38:27 am
content: When Ocado tosses salads down there they won't need spinning by the time they get to you.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 06:04:19 pm
content: What a pipe dream.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 06:07:39 pm
content: Quote from: helius on November 27, 2018, 03:54:11 amI remember seeing systems like this in action in the 1960s or 1970s at buildings like the (gorgeous art-deco) Empire State Building where they were (or are still?) installed.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 07:52:25 pm
content: That pneumatic tube also reminds me of something in a movie called Brazil in 1985.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 08:08:36 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 27, 2018, 04:08:19 amThe problem with Magway not being profitable!

author: Domagoj T
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 09:02:56 pm
content: Can we please not call every transport system involving tube a hyperloop and not invoke Elon Musk's name at every such occasion?The concept has been around for more than 200 years.

author: Wan Huang Luo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 09:57:05 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 27, 2018, 04:08:19 amIt's to overcome the problem of money sitting idle.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 10:50:29 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on November 27, 2018, 04:02:52 amWorth a look if you're into industrial decay like myself...http://www.placehacking.co.uk/2011/04/24/security-breach-london-mail-rail/I used to do a lot of urban exploration until I got caught once... fortunately only a caution from that one

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 12:01:30 am
content: Quote from: cdev on November 27, 2018, 06:07:39 pmProbably the most common use today (in USA) are drive-thru bank windows. Although some are being replaced by ATMs, the drive-thru bank services multiple lanes of traffic using pneumatic carriages to transport items (such as cash, checks, deposit slips) from the customer in their car to the cashier and vice versa. Sometimes they are also installed in bank lobbies for after-hours deposits.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 11:02:35 pm
content: This isn't really a pneumatic tube system though, nor evacuated tubes, just tubes with some sort of linear motor rail system:I suspect they underestimate the cost of the infrastructure though.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2018, 01:54:39 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on November 27, 2018, 10:50:29 pmThat would be nice.To go into old ruined decommissioned power stations with a generator and power low voltage things up to see if they still work.

author: ajb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2018, 04:46:29 pm
content: The problem with ideas like this is that some entity has to acquire a pretty extensive and exclusive right of way, and it's fairly invasive to build out. These aren't like a buried cable which has a very small footprint, or utility tunnels where a relatively small tunnel carries multiple utilities. It also isn't like water/sewer, where the total ROW is extensive but only because literally everyone benefits from it many times a day.The use case in the OP, where you have essentially a warehouse in one place and a high concentration of people who want things from that warehouse on a daily-ish basis in another place with a whole lot of people and traffic in between is kind of an ideal scenario, because they only have to make one point-to-point tunnel, and at the receiving end they can do the last mile distribution by more conventional means, or simply have the customers come to the location to pick things up.Building out a more extensive city-wide (but far from going to every home, that would just be silly) package delivery network would be neat, but is probably several orders of magnitude beyond economically feasible. MAYBE if you were building up a new, extensively planned city from scratch you could do it as part of the municipal infrastructure, but even then you're better off putting your planning efforts and development funding into mass transit forpeoplerather than for things. Think about it: how many delivery vehicles does it take to service a metropolitan area? How many cars would it take to get all of the people of that metro area to and from work/school/shopping every single day? Clearly getting the cars off of the road provides vastly more benefit than getting rid of the delivery vehicles! In fact if you can eliminate the vast majority of personal vehicles by offering fast and reliable public transit, then you probably don't have to worry about the delivery vehicles at all anymore.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2018, 05:24:29 pm
content: I don't think those companies are concerned with the usefulness of their concepts nor the practicality of them, but more with their potential to raise money.The more megalomaniac they look, the better.It's very much like the banking system. What matters for the system is not to make things work now, but the promise of making them do wonders sometime in the future.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2018, 05:29:16 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 29, 2018, 05:24:29 pmA 90cm pipe?For the amount of work they might as well make it larger.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2018, 11:23:58 pm
content: This is a neat story. Evidently in the NYC system, a renownedsubmarine sandwichdeli was somehow on the system. (Note the shape, ideal for pneumatic transport) and postal workers could get their lunch sent to them via the tube.http://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-history/pneumatic-tubes.pdfAlso seehttps://untappedcities.com/2013/03/15/nycs-pneumatic-tube-mail-network/

author: Wan Huang Luo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2018, 11:57:43 pm
content: Quote from: cdev on November 30, 2018, 11:23:58 pmi took the time to read the whole thing. When I saw this thread, I initially was going to post about how useful this system would be specifically in New York City. Now, days later, after reading your post, it Looks like I’m about 125 years too late. Absolutely fascinating. My gratitude for your contribution.