Don't Smoke!!! - Page 1
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author: ElectroNub
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2015, 07:41:45 pm
content: Just got home from the hospital. They were able to fix me with a stent rather than open heart bypass surgery.You might not be so lucky when it's your turn.Do yourself a favor a quit now!And if the smoking doesn't kill you, McDonalds will. Go eat some damn veggies!!!

author: babysitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2015, 07:58:19 pm
content: Thank you for being a customer. Glad to help.<-- working in the medical device field.

author: gore
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2015, 08:56:04 pm
content: Glad you made it out alive. Heart health is serious stuff. Veggies alone might not be enough. Healthy food, regular physical activity and rest. If the idea is to possibly increase your chances of living a longer life, along with many other positive perks that come with it, then that's the plan. I figured early on it was worth it, as opposed to smoking and not taking care of yourself. Other people don't care for those things, but it's just one's perspective on life - it depends. For me it's about feeling better overall mood/energy/health wise etc. I know I'm going to die and it's okay. I've been dead for billions of years before and it didn't bother me one bit. Perhaps many people don't realize how vulnerable they are until the fragility of their life becomes much more apparent. It's a one time deal and you want to stay for the show for as long as you can.

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2015, 09:09:48 pm
content: I stopped about five years ago after my lungs started generating about a pint of sclunge an hour.

author: mcinque
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 07, 2015, 09:32:30 pm
content: Quitted 3 years ago after 20 years. Probably one of the best choice I've done.There is no reason to smoke. Any smoker can remember well how starting to smoke was disgusting. This is because it is effectly disgusting (only when you're addicted to nicotine it becomes a pleasure).

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2015, 09:35:47 pm
content: Also deadly for your electronics, here a movie of a teardown of a $20000 projector from a smoker, it was beyond repair.Movie is only in German.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2015, 10:57:59 pm
content: https://youtu.be/0Uk8lemnudE

author: babysitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2015, 05:31:17 am
content: Smoking never had a lot of appeal to me, my single puff of nicotine at school arrived due to peer pressure.The happy tasty funny way to obesity, OTOH, saw me a lot.. peaking around my military service. Now I am from 4XL size back to the more comfortable limit of XL to XXL, but I still keep a single piece from that time as a warning.So, please don't eat too much.Working at stuff that helps detect or fix cardiovascular problems, i know the problems and should be way closer to L size than I am.Your experience can start a lot of thinking about stopping consuming cheap leave-filled, artifical flavour-dosed ( I once was in Celje, Slowenia, where a Flavouring substance factory is that does tabac additives. Downwind its really disgusting!) paper tubes, compared to what saved you:* That little metal tube, laser cut to a mesh, put over a foil bag connected to the end of a tube with a syringe on the other end* The Roentgen device which was used to find the right place for it* The long-term education of the guy who pushed the little thing into you and its helpers* All the little stuff that cut your skin to introduce it, prevent infection of the Operating site* The ECG and blood pressure measurement that was going on to see if you are still alive* Anaesthetics and the stuff to get it and some oxygen into you!...

author: rob77
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2015, 05:41:06 am
content: Quote from: mcinque on May 07, 2015, 09:32:30 pm+1i quit 9 months ago after 19 years. gained a little weight since quit smoking , but that's nothing criticalapart from feeling MUCH better i got 200Eur monthly more for my hobbyanother benefit is that suddenly i can smell the weakest scents , that's priceless !@ OP: i'm glad you made it !

author: smjcuk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2015, 06:32:57 am
content: I've never smoked but I've got an interesting experience that made sure I never will.I worked for a testing company back in the 90s. My job was to test surfaces for tar resistance. Fun eh?You'd never smoke if you had to clean out a vacuum chamber full of cigarette tar. Imagine Marmite that stinks of cigarettes all over you. You can't wash it off anything however hard you scrub. I was physically sick a few times. Hated that job.Now imagine that inside you.As for McDonalds, relatively speaking, its pretty harmless. My wife is diabetic and its about the only thing that she can eat out that doesn't make her hyperglycemic. Even a packed sandwich is worse than McDonald's. Obviously dont eat it every day.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2015, 08:17:53 am
content: Never smoked, excepted the odd time at school due to peer pressure and a cigar when I was drunk.I did go through a spell of being hooked on nicotine tablets which I initially took to lose weight and have a nice kick to them but it never became that bad.I found alcohol to be pretty bad for my health. At first I had to stop drinking as I was put in anti-depressants but now I have no intention of starting again, as I don't miss it much.I admit I often have too much caffeine. I normally have a 500ml energy drink in the morning to pick me up after cycling to work.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2015, 03:40:25 pm
content: Australia is the possibly the most anti smoking country on earth. We have unbranded cigarette packets only at around $1 per cigarette, and smoking is pretty much banned in public places. Society treats smokers as drug addicts to a legal substance. Any young Australian who smokes is looked on as a fool.Most of the backward eastern European countries have the biggest number of tobacco drug addicts, and the African and Oceanic countries have the least number. However, Greece ranks as the biggest loser with an average of 3,000 smokes per adult per year.I would like to see the peddlers of death like Philip Morris and British Tobacco be treated like IG Farben. Shut the bastards down, strip them of all their assets and use the money to build hospitals. A bonus would be to see their shareholders lose their money and their employees lose their jobs.

author: corrado33
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2015, 08:42:21 pm
content: I personally think smoking is gross. I also don't drink much. But for me, meh. Let them smoke. The taxes only help the country anyway.Plus, smoking in public (at least where I live) is pretty much frowned upon anyway, so it's not a huge issue.

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2015, 09:37:21 pm
content: I managed to stop smoking thirty years ago, patches didn't work, gum didn't work, but hypnosis didMy doctor sent me to a registered hypnotist who told me how much he was going to charge me (a lot) then he took his pen out of his jacket pocket, the next thing I remember was walking out the door of the building into the street. I haven't touched a cigarette since.Now all I need to do is beat my chocolate addiction and I'm fixed

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2015, 09:42:01 pm
content: There absolutely no need to smoke now that e-cig's exist. You can get all the nicotine you need without the 1000 other chemicals.Sure, you're still addicted, but it's a million times better for your health than smoking a death stick.With 10,000 of e-juice flavors there's something that absolutely everybody will enjoy switching too.If you want to try e-cigs but dont know where to start watch some of Chris Boden's blogs. It can be pretty hard to find the right ones but every time he finds someone who smokes he buys them a c-cig and explains how to use it. (Then takes their real cigs off them.)https://youtu.be/8n3xluptmcU?t=1122(youtube is having issue with codecs, you may need to pause and unpause if you get a black screen)

author: smjcuk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2015, 09:58:10 pm
content: Quote from: Psi on May 08, 2015, 09:42:01 pmYep: the wonderful taste of pneumonia!

author: abigbell
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 03:35:26 am
content: quiting smoking is a easy thing, i can do that a couple of times a month

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 03:48:28 am
content: Smoking is sooo 20th century. This days the cool kids vape.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 06:27:04 am
content: One solution might be for governments to ban the sale of smokes outright without warning for a period of three months only, and then allow sale again. Three months is not enough time for the Italian Mafia to start trafficking in illegal tobacco, but enough time for addicts to be forced to quit.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 07:09:09 am
content: Gave it up a long time ago. I tolerate smokers, the only things I do not allow is smoking in MY car and My house. Otherwise you can smoke all you want, though I do not want second hand smoke coming in from outside.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 07:18:28 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on May 08, 2015, 03:40:25 pmI doubt any government who puts such high taxes on tobacco would ever ban it, given the amount of money they make from it.The biggest problem is the tobacco companies investing in Africa, where there aren't so strong public health campaigns about the dangers of smoking.

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 07:28:55 am
content: I never understood smoking; in the Netherlands (as probably everywhere else now) it's very expensive, it's not beneficial for long-term health and it makes your clothes (and breath) smell really bad.And it has been proven again and again that smoking is significantly slowing down recovery from diseases, broken bones, etc. I can only think it's making life miserable for a 15 minute nicotine rush.Agreed with Hero999. Our government earns about 670 euro per inhabitant per year from excise duties; of which ~135 euro's average is on tobacco. There is no way they are going to give up a 20% chunk of it by banning tobacco.Even more so.. there is discussion in NL about legalizing weed completely, which is probably good for excise duties and arguably crime rates from drug tourism.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 09:30:45 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on May 09, 2015, 07:09:09 amStill smoke and that's pretty much my view, no smoking in the house.QuoteBut it's a good album...

author: rob77
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 09:50:16 am
content: Quote from: German_EE on May 08, 2015, 09:37:21 pmactually you don't need anything to stop. i stopped smoking just by saying "this was the last one", no patches, no gum....nothingfor years i was asked why i'm still smoking.. i replied "it's not the right time yet"and the Time came 9 months ago...first 2-3 days are HELL , next 2-3 weeks you must be really strong to withstand.. the next 2-3 months you must not fall - still got to be strong to resist the temptation... and after those first months - it just goes away , it's easy-peasy to resist

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 11:02:18 am
content: Please everyone, keep smoking! The planet is overpopulated!Alexander.

author: rob77
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 11:21:05 am
content: Quote from: firewalker on May 09, 2015, 11:02:18 amsmoking is way too "slow" to solve the overpopulation problemto heal the Earth one would need to cut the population by 98% (keep 2%)

author: smjcuk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 12:53:10 pm
content: Evolution, disease and natural disasters used to play that role.Socialism, medicine and science have killed that though.And I'm ok with that

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 01:13:08 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on May 09, 2015, 07:18:28 amIn Australia, the tobacco companies still operate, enforces packaging laws deter potential new addicts (Australia is the only country in the world with plain packaging laws for cigarettes). We have some of the most appropriate photos on these packs...http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/big-tobacco-accused-of-new-smokescreen/story-e6frg6n6-1226526110438In France, the culture among young people is to think it is cool to smoke. Many of them would have learnt the art of poisoning themselves from their parents. They get a rude shock when they visit Australia to learn that in our culture it is very uncool to smoke, and that our cigarettes cost about $1 each.I have lost a number of friends and even close family members to this toxic drug. I don't have any sympathy for anyone who smokes, but do encourage those who give up completely. I recently funded and installed a new high-end Dell PC for a couple of addicts who both went cold turkey for six months. If they go back on the drug, I take the machine back. That's the deal. They can now taste food, can breathe better, feel a lot more healthy and they don't smell like dog turds. I doubt now I will ever have to take the machine back.

author: atferrari
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 03:07:16 pm
content: Few days ago I was considering to start a thread myself but here it goes:If we are honest we cannot giveactual valid reasonsfor:Smoking - after doing it since 15 to 33yo I quitted with no regret - 6 months to start feeling better and better plus another 6 months to feel completely out of that story.Drinking - nowadays just red wine (plus some whisky in the past) - the pleasure seems less and less.Coffee - as a seaman got used to drink a lot in big mugs - nowadays, still a compulsion to have, out of home, espressos. Managed to have just one a day.It seems it took me 68 years to start actually controlling my life (maybe because there was a wife for that...?)In line with refraining myself, on January, 91 Kg weight, yesterday the scale said 82 Kg. Food is not a prize nor a reward for me anymore and I stopped eating "in revenge" of the many hours I eventually couldn't do it for any reason.I feel better and never more true: the Master is me.

author: atferrari
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2015, 03:16:12 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on May 09, 2015, 11:02:18 amMuch easier would be to simply stop what Eduard Jenner started in 1798. That day we officialy left the ecosystem.

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 03:44:23 pm
content: I'm 50, I quit smoking when I was 22, after 10 yrs.. (yes, I started at 12 and was going through 2 packs a day by 22)I haven't smoked since then, and I definitely feel better and healthier and more energy for the past 30 years or so..Doctors have said that lung damage (and other damage caused by smoking) can be reversed if you quit early enough, so I hope so, for my sake. I've seen pictures of healthy lungs and smoker's lungs, and it was those pictures that actually made me want to quit.For your own sake, if you smoke now, and you are young, then quit it. Right now. It will never do you any good.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 04:14:41 pm
content: Quote from: atferrari on May 09, 2015, 03:07:16 pm"It's enjoyable and causes little harm" is a perfectly valid reason which works for both alcohol and coffee (in moderation, of course).

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 04:34:09 pm
content: Quitting smoking is incredibly difficult. In a typical day, i probably talk to 5 patients about smoking cessation. Probably half of my over 40 years old patient visits are for smoking related illnesses.

author: rob77
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 06:22:10 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on May 10, 2015, 04:34:09 pmno it's not difficult but you really must be willing to quit. not just talking about quit smoking... but rather really want to quit smoking. the decision to quit smoking must be coming from "inside" , not from the outside world, otherwise it won't be easy and it's going to be a failed attempt.i did it , i quit smoking without nicotine patches or nicotine pastilles , so i know what i'm talking about

author: atferrari
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 06:45:11 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on May 10, 2015, 04:34:09 pmI would not dare to generalize on this in any sense.I quit (tried) twice for maybe, 40 and 50 days, what worked as the opposite of what I was looking for: those two periods served as an friendly authorization to keep smoking, even more than before (because in my - stupid- mind, I was telling myself,I proved that I can quit wehnever I want).One night at sea, when on watch on the bridge I felt so hard chest pain that I was immobilized for maybe one or two minutes and I could not even talk nor move. If I died there, the AB on the bridge with me, would be not even aware!!Some two weeks later, with the vessel in drydock, as a Ch. Officer, I had to climb ladders MANY times a day what meant some hundred metters, up and down.One night, I took my last cigarette from my last pack and end of the story. In one year I was not even feeling any desire of smoking even if seen others inhalating.The best you can do, is to avoid facilitating this habit to spread amongst young people.BTW, my eldest brother was not so lucky: every time I call him, it is hard to understand what he says, cannot go out of his appartment for long time and even high or lower temperatures are a cause of restriction. More than any philosophic discussion, proof enough. Simply DON'T!

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 07:07:37 pm
content: Quote from: rob77 on May 10, 2015, 06:22:10 pmI don't find the quitting difficult, it's not starting again that's difficult

author: ElectroNub
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 07:28:02 pm
content: The hardest part for me about quitting is the mental addiction. The nicotine withdrawals are easy to manage with e-cigs and I enjoy using them over real cigs. They really help with the hand to mouth fixation as well.But when I get stressed I need to go out and have a real cig. Even if I'm not craving nicotine. The simple act of going out for smoke is incredibly calming. Finding a replacement for that is my biggest struggle.I absolutely hate everything about smoking except for that one thing.It is getting easier though. I use strong e-cig juice. I'm whacked out of my mind on so much nicotine that I can't stand more than 1 or 2 puffs forcing me to put it out. I'm not getting any gratification from it so it turns into a terrible and bad tasting experience.

author: Christopher
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 07:38:06 pm
content: I've been not smoking for about a month now -- used to smoke for about 3 years.Started off in my dumb teens when I went out on the piss clubbing with mates. Here in the UK everyone smokes down the pub...E-Cig is helping me, with the plus I can smoke at my bench at work!

author: ElectroNub
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 07:48:51 pm
content: Just a little rant to add about the hospital...I was shocked at how little the medical community knows about e-cigs. Every nurse and doctor I talked to was just about completely clueless. It only takes 5 minutes on youtube to learn everything there is to know.I even talked to one that thought e-cigs were made from automotive anti-freeze.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/Smileys/default/facepalm.gif

author: smjcuk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 08:53:17 pm
content: YouTube is a bad place to find science.They're probably still not good for you. In fact we have no idea how bad they are for you yet because most of the incidental disease caused by habitual use of something isn't apparent for a couple of decades. The data isn't available yet to say "yep, they're ok". They're not subject to stringent medical trials so there is no controlled study on the actual precise risks.Couple of citations worth reading based upon concrete research rather than poorly informed internet opinion.1.https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/311887/Ecigarettes_report.pdf2.http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0116861Genuine bit of advice: don't bother until everyone else has been doing it for 20 years. They're only just starting to work out that statins and NSAIDs have long term bad side effects and they were covered by clinical trials.

author: Christopher
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:00:33 pm
content: Surely they've gotta be better than cigarettes?Patches and the gum never seemed to work for me

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:04:56 pm
content: Quote from: Christopher on May 10, 2015, 10:00:33 pmI would've thought so. Nicotine itself isn't a very harmful drug. It's all the tar, carbon monoxide and crap in cigarettes which do the damage.The safety of ecigs will depend on the brand but they're bound to be safer than smoking.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:45:24 pm
content: Quote from: rob77 on May 10, 2015, 06:22:10 pmThat is true, certainly in my case. My final catalyst was a close friend and peer of mine died of (non-smoking related) cancer 16 years ago when I was in my mid 30s. The day she died I gave up smoking. I put on a fair bit of weight though since, I was positively skinny at the time. I did it cold turkey too. The worst times were going back into the lab at home which stank of fag smoke (yes, I am British, fag is a cigarette). The first two weeks were by far the worst.Then, a few years passed where I would have vivid dreams where I'd start up smoking again and wake up sincerely believing for a few moments that I had fallen off the wagon. That in the end was a positive because I'd go out with friends and when the cigars came out at the end of the night I always said "No". Of course nowadays it seems bizarre in many parts of the Western World the you would even think about lighting up in a restaurant or bar, but that was the way it was.In a pub it was a nightmare in those days, everyone was smoking, if you were an ex-smoker it was really frustrating, a pint and a fag was like Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee... or maybe that should be Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:59:18 pm
content: Quote from: rob77 on May 10, 2015, 06:22:10 pmEasy for some but not true for most - and no it's not just a matter of being "willing to quit". All it takes is watching one person withBuerger's diseasewho's lost every finger, asking someone to light a cig and put it in their mouth so they can continue to smoke to realize the power of a nicotine addiction.I've had many patient's tell me "one day I just decided to quit and did" but that is not the norm. The average smoker who is able to quit does so only after 6 serious attempts.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 11:09:46 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on May 10, 2015, 10:59:18 pmYes, I concur, my final quit 16 years ago was after about four or five previous attempts.

author: staxquad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 12:33:36 am
content: My father smoked 2 packs of Players a day and died of lung cancer when I was 9 years old.You can understand why I don't smoke, but why did my 1 year older sister smoke?Nice to see one big sign followed by another big sign 20 feet away (to make sure you see at least one of them) at the entrances to the Hospital forbidding smoking. It's a new sign, never noticed it before. Before the signs at the entrance, there's a spot where all the hospital patients congregate to smoke. Never understood also why Doctors and Nurses smoked, they have front row seats to the spectacle.

author: cimmo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 12:42:08 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on May 09, 2015, 07:18:28 amDo you really think it is a net win for a government that provides universal health care?Do you think it is a net win for the community for those countries reliant upon private insurance?Do you know how much it costs to rent an oxygen concentrator and oxygen bottles?Do you know how much it costs to provide routine inpatient stays for even the slightest chest infection (and how frequent these can be)?My mother was a chronic smoker since her teens and spent nearly the last decade of her life requiring supplemental oxygen. I managed her finances (and everything else) and I know exactly how much the government/community paid to keep heraliveexisting.Apart from the tobacco companies, NO ONE wins in the cigarette game.

author: Bob F.
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 01:24:08 am
content: Quote from: mtdoc on May 10, 2015, 10:59:18 pmAfter watching our mother die from emphysema caused by smoking - and taking about 8 years to do so, slowly losing her ability to breath until all the oxygen and nebulizers available to a major London hospital could not cram enough oxygen into her blood to prevent multiple organ failure - I still have two siblings over 60 who smoke. I cannot express on a public forum how angry that makes me or how true your words are. Our mother was still smoking less than two weeks before she died.Saying that, I gave up smoking at the second attempt some 25 years ago and I could win prizes in any competition to find the person with the world's weakest will power, so I guess it depends a lot on the person. Those who can give up without extra help like myself have probably mostly already done so. Other measures are needed for the rest. Starting with the measures taken in Australia would be a start that should end with an outright ban in 10-15 years. Not that anything like that will happen - too much money involved. The tobacco companies' rights to make money outweigh everyone else's right to be able to breath and not have malignant cancers destroying their internal organs. It's an odd world we live in.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 01:32:04 am
content: Quote from: German_EE on May 08, 2015, 09:37:21 pmThat would be a sin. I love German Baker's chocolate.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 06:36:46 am
content: Quote from: Bob F. on May 11, 2015, 01:24:08 amInformed consent, it's not like the bad old days where the risks were hidden from the consumer. People have the right to make stupid choices.

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 07:05:03 am
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on May 11, 2015, 06:36:46 amI also believe that governments do not have the right to prevent people from harming themselves.

author: smjcuk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 07:16:20 am
content: Yes they do. It's called sectioning. In the UK it's covered under the Mental Health Act 1983.

author: Dave
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 09:10:44 am
content: I once kissed a girl after she had a smoke. Licking an ashtray of old stale cigarette butts is probably the closest approximation of it. That experience got burned so deep into my subconsciousness, that I would never even consider trying tobacco.

author: SArepairman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 02:10:41 pm
content: I smoked 1/2 a cig once and vomited ( I was under the influence) , and then I tried SNUS once, nearly vomited after it was in my mouth for 2 min.I'm so glad I don't have that penchant towards nicotine. Ex gf LOVED that shit though, I would really have to wage battle against her. Very draining.

author: m100
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 04:08:21 pm
content: Quote from: ElectroNub on May 10, 2015, 07:48:51 pmThey were correct. Propylene glycol, a 'safe' drinkable automotive antifreeze, also used for deicing aircraftisused in e-cigs

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 04:30:51 pm
content: Quote from: m100 on May 11, 2015, 04:08:21 pmBut that's not what the doc was implying is it? He was trying to make out it was the ethylene glycol most commonly used.Propylene glycol is also used in loads of medicines as a solvent, in an awful lot of foods (E1520) as a sweetener or preservative, and as a way to get those extra antioxidants he'd probably advise into foods, in the sweeteners he'll tell you to put in your coffee instead of sugar, in the coffee itself...

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 04:56:33 pm
content: Quote from: cimmo on May 11, 2015, 12:42:08 amYes, certainly in the UK. I don't know about Australia.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8086142.stmhttp://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 05:25:05 pm
content: Banning will harm the current tax revenue, while the health care cost is for a later administration to worry about, when the current set are out and have their guaranteed pension, healthcare and protection.They are very loath to cut that massive revenue scheme, they might have to actually cut their lifestyle instead of simply voting themselves more and cutting the rest.