New Keysight DSOX1200X and EDUX1052 scopes with extended capabilities - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2020, 11:09:58 pm
content: There seems to be new DSOX1200 and EDUX1052 models from Keysight released without any official announcementNew DSOX1200 with 200,000 wfm/s, 2Mpts and free serial decoding (i2c, UART, SPI, CAN, LIN)DSOX1202A - DSOX1202G 2-channelDSOX1204A - DSOX1204G 4-channelNew EDUX1200 with 100,000 wfm/s, 200Kpts and free serial decoding (i2c, UART)EDUX1052A - EDUX1052G 2-channel

author: e0ne199
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2020, 10:33:54 am
content: Quote from: TK on March 04, 2020, 11:09:58 pmcan anyone compare this scope with siglent or rigol?

author: Eric_S
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2020, 10:40:13 am
content: Nice find.https://www.keysight.com/en/pcx-2759552/infiniivision-1000-x-series-oscilloscopesNow to figure out what version my reseller stocks...

author: bdeianov
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2020, 10:24:07 pm
content: They added features through the latest firmware:https://www.keysight.com/upload/cmc_upload/All/Keysight_1200A_X_Series_Oscilloscope_Release_Notes_02_10.pdfMost of the enhancements are available to existing models, but the free serial decoding is for scopes purchased after March 1, 2020, above certain serial numbers. Ugh, I bought one three weeks too early.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2020, 10:32:04 pm
content: Quote from: bdeianov on March 06, 2020, 10:24:07 pmI suspected that much. The hardware is already there.

author: JDubU
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2020, 02:08:13 am
content: It looks like the enhancements are only available on the newer 1000x scopes (black case, linux OS, firmware version 2.10).The original 1000x scopes (beige case, Windows CE OS, firmware version 1.20) are still listed with their original specs.

author: Eric_S
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2020, 07:36:33 pm
content: Quote from: bdeianov on March 06, 2020, 10:24:07 pmGood to know!===========Now how how about a MegaZoom V, Keysight? (For the "corporate models" aka 2000 and above, mind. The 1000-series is pretty good as is and will probably be for a very long time, minus some possible tweaks with a touchscreen and such.)

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 04:04:50 am
content: ModelMax Memwfm/sSerial decodepriceEDUX1002A-G100K50,000UART, i2c (opt $$$)$511-$738EDUX1052A-G200K100,000UART, i2c (std)$480-$700DSOX1102A-G1M50,000UART, I2C, SPI, CAN, LIN (opt $$$)$$$DSOX120xA-G1M -> 2M (firmware 2.10)100,000 -> 200,000 (firmware 2.10)UART, I2C, SPI, CAN, LIN (opt $$$ before 3/1/2020, std after 3/1/2020)$$$The DSOX1102 models should be able to get 2M and 200,000 wfm/s if Keysight decides to updates the firmware as it is most probable that it uses the same ASIC as the DSOX120x.What is strange is that the free serial decode on the DSOX120x models is only valid on scopes purchased after 3/1/2020 and has serial number higher than CN59356100. Is there any difference at the hardware level on DSOX120x scopes pre and post CN59356100??? Or is it only a marketing decision? How can Keysight determine if the scope was purchased after 3/1/2020 or what happens to units that were stocked at the distributor?Any DSOX120x owner with serial number less than CN59356100 that volunteers to open the scope and post high res pictures of the PCB?

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 07:46:44 am
content: Quote from: TK on March 19, 2020, 04:04:50 amPeak update rates get rather meaningless for most purposes, and the synthetic ceiling enforced for marketing reasons doesn't affect the scaling at slower rates. So not much value unlike turning on the extra memory depth (which slightly reduces update rates!).

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 07:01:30 pm
content: The Keysight website shows wrong images of the EDUX1052A. The images show the EDUX1052A having the Gen Out BNC and the Wave Gen button, but the actual unit is missing both.

author: bunnyThief
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 08:45:57 pm
content: Did you buy from an authorized retailer? I would ask if you can get this since you only purchased it a few weeks ago.Doesn't hurt to ask. Take the link and e-mail it to them and ask if this is something they can extend to you.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 09:09:40 pm
content: A few days ago, from keysight.com

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 10:53:24 pm
content: EDIT: I'm wrong. There is no BNC and not upgradable from A to GI want to say that it still has the hardware + button so you can upgrade it later if you wanted, but I'm trying to track down someone who knows. These days I can't just walk down the hall and find out...

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 11:13:35 pm
content: Photo of actual EDUX1052A received from Keysight. No WaveGen button.Photo of EDUX1052A on keysight.com

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 11:41:08 pm
content: I think there are more mistakes on the EDUX1052A Specifications page and on the datasheet:Special Triggersedgepulse widthvideopattern/staterise/fall timeserialMy unit is missing pattern/state and rise/fall time triggers. The datasheet says pattern/state is available on EDUX models, user manual says it is only available on DSOX1200.And this morning I am sure I saw TOUCH ZONE trigger on the specifications page, but now I cannot find it anymore.

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 11:45:13 pm
content: @TK, thanks for the quick response. I just heard from the product team confirming your pic, the EDU/DSOX and A/G was a photoshop job (only a G got the official photographer photo).I'll work with the team to see what can be done to update the photos.Thanks!

author: Gandalf_Sr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2020, 11:54:00 pm
content: Daniel,Thedatasheet I read from the Keysight pagesays this on page 7....QuoteWhich suggests, as you said earlier, that the wave generator can be added as an option. Clearly this isn't possible if there's no button or BNC connector. I think you might try to get a 'G' version for TK.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2020, 12:03:12 am
content: Quote from: Gandalf_Sr on March 19, 2020, 11:54:00 pmNow that I read it carefully, the text (standard in "G" models) should be removed in the detailed description, as the title already says: Frequency Response Analyzer (EDUX1052G, DSOX1202G, and DSOX1204G models only).@Keysight DanielBogdanoff: I think Gandalf_Sr also deserves a free scopefor helping Keysight product / market team. He also switched from Agilent/Keysight to Rigol and we need to bring him back

author: Gandalf_Sr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2020, 01:06:02 am
content: Daniel, can't you get TK sentthis old DSAV334A scope on eBayas a swap for his EDUX1052?

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2020, 06:05:15 pm
content: Update: we're working on making the changes & fixing the page. Unfortunately this all happened right around a person moved to a new role so we're working out the kinks. The folks at Keysight that can make the change are monitoring this thread.Thanks for understanding!

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2020, 11:04:38 pm
content: These DSOX1000 scopes are quite popular at my company. But the screen and font is too small. I still prefer the DSOX2000A series introduced in 2011.

author: Gandalf_Sr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2020, 11:25:58 pm
content: I don't want or need anything Daniel and was kidding about the DSAV334A swap but TK definitely deserves more than a "thanks for noticing that we offered something we weren't actually providing" when he bought a product that was clearly misrepresented. I'd bepissedif I bought a scope that didn't have stuff that was on the pictures and implied in the text of the ad I bought it from.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2020, 12:26:38 am
content: I am pissed and requested an RMA... Keysight's answer: OK, but there is a 15% restocking fee!!!My intention was to post useful information about the unit here, as I found it amusing that Keysight released the new models and kept them under the radar... but after my initial experience, Keysight lost a fan today

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2020, 12:37:36 am
content: Quote from: TK on March 21, 2020, 12:26:38 amI can only assume Keysight will make this right when they get the chance. Listing features an oscilloscope doesn't have is obviously a sloppy misrepresentation of the actual product. More accurately, you didn't receive the product you were sold. Historically they've been pretty good with fixing errors.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2020, 03:47:10 am
content: Now that Keysight is including the serial decoding standard on all new 1000x scopes, why the serial signals disappeared from the training signals menu? I would like to think someone forgot to include them? If it was deliberate, it was a dumb decision as they were very useful

author: Gandalf_Sr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2020, 08:16:56 am
content: Quote from: TK on March 21, 2020, 03:47:10 amDaniel has as good as admitted the error here. Unless he's already edited his posts, I'd go back and screen shot them. Then I'd contact the credit card company you used to pay with becausethey willprotect you from a vendor who falsely advertises features a product doesn't have. If you've never done this before, you will be pleasantly surprised by how well they handle your claim - this assumes you did use a credit card.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2020, 04:33:59 pm
content: @Keysight DanielBogdanoff: Keysight needs to review lots of infomation on the website as I keep finding inexistent features for specific models, like ZONE TOUCH trigger on old DSOX2002A models:https://www.keysight.com/en/pdx-x201827-pn-DSOX2002A/oscilloscope-70-mhz-2-analog-channels?pm=spc&nid=-32542.1150180&cc=US&lc=eng

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 23, 2020, 08:05:14 pm
content: @GandalfSr I strike-through any edits I make and clarify with "EDIT:", I never remove information.The "Zone Touch" should probably just be "Zone" trigger, because I believe you can use zone trigger with a mouse. However, the word "touch" seems misleading to me.I'm not sure on the training signals, I'll reach out to the team and find out.We certainly don't intend to EVER misrepresent our products, and I don't think we should charge a restocking fee for an issue that's related to something incorrect on the website. Feel free to loop me in on the email communications and I can help smooth this over, it's highly unusual and I'm a bit fired up, TBH:first_last  keysight

author: skander36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2020, 08:16:13 pm
content: Quote from: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on March 23, 2020, 08:05:14 pmI don't speak native english ...

author: renw0rp
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 23, 2020, 08:27:53 pm
content: what would be better, a newer scope like EDUX1002A/DSOX1102A or EDUX1052A/DSOX1202A or a second hand DSOX2002A?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2020, 08:49:28 pm
content: Quote from: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on March 23, 2020, 08:05:14 pmI think only the 3000T and up can use a mouse. The 2000X doesn't appear to be able to use one, which seems confirmed by the manual only mentioning a mouse in regards to the web interface. I stand to be surprised.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2020, 08:50:32 pm
content: Quote from: renw0rp on March 23, 2020, 08:27:53 pmDefine "better" and you likely have your answer. Maybe listing the differences is a good start.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2020, 08:56:45 pm
content: Quote from: renw0rp on March 23, 2020, 08:27:53 pmIt all depends on the price and if you want to hack the DSOX2002A or notI don't like the look of 2-channel keysight scopes, they look unbalanced, unfinished with all the empty space on the front panelThe EDUX1052A/DSOX1202A/DSOX1204A has some advantages over the "older" EDUX1002A/DSOX1102A models:Doble waveframe refresh rate (50,000wfm/s --> 100,000wfm/s or 100,000wfm/s ---> 200,000wfm/s)Standard serial decoding and triggerEthernet and web controlDouble sample memoryLower priceIf the EDUX1052A hardware can be modded to the DSOX1202A or G like the previous EDUX1002A to DSOX1102G, then it has a lot of value for only $480. Some members of the forum do not like the small sample memory, but it all depends on your needs.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2020, 09:15:50 pm
content: Quote from: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on March 23, 2020, 08:05:14 pm@Keysight DanielBogdanoff: To err is human, I understand they are unintended mistakes. Thank you for the offer to put you on the loop if I need. I've been thinking a lot during the weekend and for now I decided to keep the scope. For personal reasons I prefer Keysight scopes, as I value a lot high waveform refresh rate, fast serial decoding and responsive UI. I think this scope offers good value for the money (again, personal opinion).

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2020, 05:39:48 pm
content: Well, it was too easy.EDUX1052A uses the same resistor configuration method as the previous models. After switching 2 resistors, my EDUX1052A now has 70MHz (need to mod the front-end and the external trigger input section), EMBD, AUTO, SGM, MASK, WAVEGEN... and probably 200,000wfm/s and 2Mpts memory. Having WAVEGEN option, enables the FRA functionality.You can even try the ID 30 and make it think it has 4 channels!What about the missing WAVEGEN button? You can trick the web control to open as an EDUX1052G or DSOX1202G and you have access to the WAVEGEN button remotely. You need to populate the WAVEGEN section of the PCB to make it fully functional and some information was already posted by other members of this forum on the old DSOX1000X series hacking thread.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2020, 05:59:18 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 24, 2020, 05:50:37 pmKeysight manufactures REAL scopes, not TOYS, right?Well, I hope it doesn't break...

author: Caliaxy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2020, 07:19:54 pm
content: Quote from: TK on March 24, 2020, 05:59:18 pmBut you still have that RMA, haven't you?

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2020, 07:27:41 pm
content: Quote from: Caliaxy on March 24, 2020, 07:19:54 pmThis scope is not going back

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2020, 05:58:53 pm
content: So far I have identified the following models (old DSOX1102G was 24, EDUX1002G 22):DSOX1204A: 30DSOX1204G: 31DSOX1202A: 32DSOX1202G: 33EDUX1052A: 34EDUX1052G: 35I only used a pot soldered beween the +2.5V, GND and center on the 2nd digit of the ID, as for the 1200X series, the first digit seems to be fixed at 3.I need to verify with the scope boot log by soldering the RX / TX output from the CPU module. I found the 10 pin socket (2x5) on the PCB that mikeselectricstuff made reference.You can also use the remote control and have it show the model you want:http://x.x.x.x/infiniivision/rfp.html?model=scope_modelwhere scope_model is any of the 1200X models (EDUX1052A, EDUX1052G, DSOX1202A, DSOX1202G, DSOX1204A, DSOX1204G) and the scope will show the panel for the corresponding model. If you have a DSOX1202A and open remote access as a DSOX1204G and press channel 3 or 4 or wavegen, the scope will respond with an error message saying that the button has not been implemented.

author: jemangedeslolos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2020, 09:09:43 am
content: Quote from: TK on March 24, 2020, 05:39:48 pmHello TK,Is it possible to have an inside photo of your tweaked BMW ?that interests me

author: skander36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2020, 12:13:22 pm
content: Quote from: jemangedeslolos on March 30, 2020, 09:09:43 amAnd if you can focus on differences between white model and the new black . I wish to see how they implement lan connection .Thank you very much !

author: stafil
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2020, 09:45:13 pm
content: Does it not have Statistics (Max, Min, Average) on measurements, or is it just me that is not able to find them?

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2020, 11:39:12 pm
content: I think it doesn't have statistics. We will need confirmation from Daniel

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2020, 01:28:17 am
content: Quote from: stafil on March 31, 2020, 09:45:13 pm3000X and up, no statistics on 1000/2000

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2020, 01:34:08 am
content: Quote from: jemangedeslolos on March 30, 2020, 09:09:43 amComing Soon...

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 07:17:45 pm
content: Sorry for the delay. A recommendation... if you need the signal generator, buy the G model for around $220 more... with all the parts needed to bring the A model to G, you end up spending around $50 to $100 and you can damage the scope... I did lots of hacks on my EDUX1002A, but this EDUX1052A is not very resilient to hardware soldering / desoldering abuse. I am still trying to figure out what is broken in my scope.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2020, 09:07:07 pm
content: I noticed the new 1200X scopes has a very hard keypad, compared to the older models. I just tested a year old DSOX1204G and the buttons feel like the 2000X, 3000X or 3000T series, but not on the new ones. Maybe KS keeps lowering the cost and switched keypad manufacturer...

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 04:19:33 pm
content: It's likely the 1000X uses a different keypad than the 2000+, but it's likely more about it being a more recently released scope than cost.Quote from: stafil on March 31, 2020, 09:45:13 pmFor statistics, it doesn't currently have them. But, I've been bugging R&D to get them added to the 1000X and there's a chance they'll come with a firmware update down the road. This is NOT a commitment or a guarantee, though. I do like having them as a sanity check when I'm doing characterization.

author: stafil
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 05:31:42 pm
content: Quote from: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on May 18, 2020, 04:19:33 pmThat would be awesome.Daniel, since we have your attention, any comment onhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/keysight-1200a-x-series-standard-serial-decoding-only-for-newer-units/msg3067386/#msg3067386?

author: stafil
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2020, 05:55:48 pm
content: I have to share a shockingly positive experience I just had with Keysight.I bought a DSOX1204A sometime in late march, but the serial number didn't match the once that are automatically upgraded. I sent an email to Keysight support, not expecting much.Next morning I was surprised to see a reply from an actual person. They told me that I should have gotten the licenses when I bought scope from the vendor and I should contact the vendor.I tried, but didn't hear back from mouser for days. When I mentioned this to Keysight support, they apologized and they said they will see what they can do from their side. In minutes I got a new email with the certificate. Even after I screwed up and entered the wrong host-id, Keysight was super quick to help me.They just won a loyal customer. Special thanks to Jason McCabe from support.

author: jberik
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 31, 2020, 02:04:26 pm
content: Quote from: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on May 18, 2020, 04:19:33 pmIt is so different that I had to return recent 1204G unit to get different one without keypad problem that was not responsive/sensitive enough. The replacement is OK but not the same as 2000X model keypad which is IMHO great.I never thought that I will have to deal with such "simple" problem as keypad on brand new osciloscope. It should not pass QA in factory.I think it is cost saving because it is the worst keypad on all Keysight instruments that I can compare with e.g. bench multimeters 3446x, function generators 33500, 2000X osciloscope or PSU 36313A.

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2020, 03:06:19 pm
content: Quote from: jberik on May 31, 2020, 02:04:26 pm@Daniel_Bogdanoff: Seriously you need to rise the issue to the factory or R&D. It is much harder than previous keypads on the same product line and causes miss-pushes sometimes.

author: martinot
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 09:28:34 am
content: Quote from: TK on May 17, 2020, 09:07:07 pmThe same with the 1202G unit that I have tested.I love the user interface in general, and good button/knob layout for the most part (you always which for some re-arrangements), but I do not like the new buttons at all. Hard to press, and easy that they do not register the key presses. The most negative part of the black scopes so far. A real let down IMO. For me the hardware user interface is just as important as the software ones, and I hate when they work against me in any products.Something for Keysight to really look into, and for me the most disturbing thing with an otherwise very lovely scope.

author: martinot
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 09:32:35 am
content: Quote from: stafil on May 28, 2020, 05:55:48 pmGood support, also after you bought things, is an essential key to a good customer experience (this goes for all companies).

author: martinot
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 09:34:23 am
content: Quote from: jberik on May 31, 2020, 02:04:26 pmI absolutely agree. The keypad of the new black 1200-series is the worst I have used on any scope (regardless of brand). Really, really bad.

author: raphaelCoelho
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2022, 05:52:13 pm
content: Good afternoon people!Does anyone know if there is any FIRMWARE upgrade (that doesn't need to disassemble and change/add components) so that the EDUX1002G has the same memory depth and wf/s as the EDUX 1052G?