ubeam-level bullshittery from Peugeot - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2019, 10:26:15 am
content: https://youtu.be/6_lVGiokmNM

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2019, 10:28:20 am
content: I wonder if it's possible to harvest the energy from engineers facepalming.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2019, 10:37:59 am
content: Peter Brock says hullo.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2019, 10:40:51 am
content: From the car company, that cannot put together a subcompact car that goes 10000km without falling apart...The future for cars...The perfect perpetum mobile...That uses the noise generated by cars to chargecarstheir shitboxes.Instead of putting a little effort into the car, and isolating the engine noise, like any other manufacturer.I mean, I was sure that Peugeot is run by a bunch of idiots, with the single goal of making shitty cars, but this is way over the top stupidity that I've ever seen.And BTW most of the noise pollution in Paris comes from drivers that use the horn instead of brakes or turn signals.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 10, 2019, 10:41:07 am
content: NEW PEUGEOT 208 - we recycle bullshit

author: thinkfat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 10, 2019, 01:56:31 pm
content: https://youtu.be/6_lVGiokmNM?t=96

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2019, 06:05:52 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on December 10, 2019, 10:40:51 amDidn't use to be the case; best value car I ever had was a 1994 1.4 CFI 205. Cost £290 including the £40 auction fees sometime around y2k, and the only bill I ever had in 9 years of running it (aside from the usual consumables) was £50 for a new gearbox end cover which had rusted and started to drip oil.And also, LOL

author: Brutte
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2019, 10:32:55 am
content: Deliberate misleading of customers with the goal of showing (irrelevant) technological advantage over competitors.I wonder, when a Peugeot management wants to invest 1e6€, which decision is more profitabe:a) hiring an engineer orb) hiring master of bullshit and deception?And the article:Can You Piezo A Peugeot?link to hackaday.com

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2019, 06:02:00 pm
content: The bullshittery reminds me of an advert many years ago I can't remember the name of make but in the advert they had cars turning into robots.In the video 0.26 Fablab I just see some wood workshop environment with a lot of wood and some copper pipes.

author: Caliaxy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2019, 06:26:57 pm
content: I can't see how this ad is not meant to be taken as a joke. Seriously. Also, note the piezo buzzers.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2019, 08:39:16 pm
content: It's just marketing. This is silly alright, but just to be taken as a commercial - nothing else IMO.Most big companies have a "research" center to try some new projects (and get public funding while they're at it). Most of those projects are dead-end ones. That's just how it is. At least here, they're not trying to build roads. This is just a couple billboards (and I doubt it'll get any further.)Car makers these days need to find ways to "attract" people to electric vehicles. Apart from the initial cost, there's still a significant (and real IMO) barrier which is that EVs are definitely NOT that green at the moment. We have an obvious problem with the required electricity. So any project that addresses this - at least that pretends to - will help sales. All a car maker wants is to increase sales. Not make our world better. Isn't that obvious?

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2019, 01:41:04 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 11, 2019, 08:39:16 pmIn other countries, sure, in Puegots home country of France? No. 75% of their energy comes from nuclear power and 18% from renewables.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_France

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 12, 2019, 01:50:27 am
content: The devil is in the fine print:

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2019, 02:49:44 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on December 12, 2019, 01:41:04 amThanks, I know a bit about France actually.First thing here: this may come as a shock to you, but the PSA group (including Peugeot) currently sells approx. 4 million vehicles a year worldwide - approx. 500 000 of which are sold in France. France is thus currently about 12.5% of the total. They definitely have to consider all markets outside of France.Second: it's not just about the "cleanliness" of electricity, but mere capacity. Are we currently able to produce enough electricity to recharge all vehicles if a significant (say 50% or more) fraction of them were electric? I doubt it. If you add to this that the current trend, at least in Europe, is definitely NOT to build more nuclear power plants (most politics are now tending towards less nuclear)... we have kind of a conundrum to solve.It's clear that EVs, if they become the norm, are going to be a major new drain on electricity production. It seems logical to me that car makers promoting them are going to try and work on that. They want to show they'll be part of the solution. Of course this above harvesting idea is kinda ridiculous, but to be honest, many, if not most attempts at devising new clever ways of generating "green" electricity, are currently pretty much as ridiculous as this.

author: Ysjoelfir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2019, 11:35:25 am
content: If they would at least finaly build a small, inexpensive city e-car... no, instead they present the next wannabe SUV/crossover thing that looks exactly like every other car out there today....In my oppinion every car manufacturer that claims anything remotely related to "green" or "eco friendly" that doesn't have at least one e-car that is the size of a Kia Picanto or even better, a Smart car, is just lying in my face. AFAIK Renault is the only company that build such a thing - the Twizy. It's pretty ugly, sure, but perfect for the city in my oppinion.Not that I particularily care about environment friendlyness, driving my 20 year old Volvo 940 Classic as my everyday driver, but I can't stand this "we are sooooo eco, look, we have a new e-car! its bigger than the last one, uses more ressources and the battery lasts only from cologne to dusseldorf, but hey, it's an electric vehicle, so you know, we are caring about the environment!"-crap...

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2019, 02:55:45 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 12, 2019, 11:35:25 amYeah, I agree, but again this is just a dumb market reason. SUVs are currently extremely popular, at least in France (and I think, in many other countries), and people now tend to buy them even when all they need is a small city car. So Peugeot is just trying to leverage this trend to sell e-cars (and it's not the only car maker that does this).Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 12, 2019, 11:35:25 amAs I said above, I think they absolutely don't care about beeing eco friendly, they just want to sell cars, and will leverage whatever is trendy.Yes the Twizy really looks like a toy. It was a fun car, but apart from being ugly, really too small for any use except those you can fullfill with two-wheelers (with admittedly a bit more comfort if it's raining.) II also wouldn't be too confident about the outcome if I ever had an accident with one... (I'm sure it passed some kind of crash test, but which...)An intermediate small car that Renault released is the Zoe. I think it's currently the Renault e-car that sells the most? It's actually decent for city uses. It's small, yet can accomodate 4 people and has a trunk.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2019, 11:06:28 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 12, 2019, 11:35:25 amYeah, I wish small cars were more trendy.QuoteThe question is, will it use more resources in the long run. A tesla cybertruck would have been an more environmentally friendly choice if it were available when you decided to buy your Volvo 20 years ago, and if Germany wasn't run predominantly on coal. Sadly both of those are not the case, so you are better off driving the older vehicle.Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 12, 2019, 02:55:45 pmFor sure, this is where government regulations come in, mandating minimum fuel efficiency ratings and requiring electric models. We can rely on intelligent consumer trends.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 08:23:10 am
content: QuoteWell I certainly don't want the return of this...OR WORSE...

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 09:08:23 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on December 13, 2019, 08:23:10 amI assume you say "return" as Smart isn't popular in the US, but Smart cars are very popular here in the UK. here in the UK they are very common, along with the similarly small Fiat 500.QuoteWell with the low-positioned weight of the battery pack, that should be less of an issue

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 09:09:57 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on December 12, 2019, 11:06:28 pmSmall cars are objectively trash. And since they can only be cheap, there is no budget for any sort of green technology to be built in.There is the VW up electric. And the Toyota Yaris hybrid. If you build this into a smaller car, I'ts not going to cost less.I dont understand why car makers are building cars for people, who are obviously not interested in driving or owning a car.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 02:04:20 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 12, 2019, 11:35:25 amEven in the "slow" city traffic small cars are dangerous for your health... and twizys even more so. In the UK they had those small EVs whose name I can't remember, and people were falling like flies. I had a frontal crash in a Ford Ka and the seat belt broke my breastbone. Every ms more you can prolong the deceleration counts, as in 10 ms and you're dead and 20 ms you can walk away on your own feet. There's simply not enough crumple zone to dampen the deceleration enough. You may not like SUVs (most eco-nazis are SUV haters) but being in one can save your life...

author: Ysjoelfir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 02:38:14 pm
content: Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on December 13, 2019, 02:04:20 pmSureBut I'm pretty certain that my good old volvo has more crumple zone than any modern suv - in both directions ;-)But besides that, I survived a crash on the Autobahn where someone crashed into me, nearly standing, with 100 kmh. Despite being pushed into the... side... slot... thing besides the street... (can't remember the english word for it) me and SWMBO survived with only minor injuries - the car, a kia picanto, was a piece of junk after that, missing his trunk completely. I found the other persons licence plate wrapped around the axle of my FRONT (!) wheel. So I doubt that small cars are that much more dangerous. I explicitly exclude things like the twizzy from this statement. That is more a motorcycle for me, and everyone riding one is well aware of the risks (or should be).

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 02:54:02 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 13, 2019, 02:38:14 pmThe UK's EV whose name I couldn't remember was the G-Wiz:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVAi#Safety_concerns

author: Ysjoelfir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 03:19:08 pm
content: Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on December 13, 2019, 02:54:02 pmTHAT is a very strange thing. Somehow reminds me of the Fiat Multipla, 1st Generation...

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 11:01:36 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on December 13, 2019, 09:09:57 amThe VW Up or Yaris look like quite a good size.Small car in Europe and NA have slightly different meanings. You won't find cars like that here, other than the Smart car which is bad value/$ as you say.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2019, 07:05:01 am
content: I had a Smart car (changed from a Passat to one). It served a particular purpose and even when my circumstances changed such that it wasn't really appropriate, it performed well. Only got rid of it because of a design fault with the fan belt.Inside it seems a lot larger than it is. You don't really expect to be able to touch the passenger window from the driver's seat without stretching, but the ability to do so can be useful. Clearly not a motor for the overweight, although I took an almost-obese six-footer plus a bit on a lengthy trip once, and we didn't fall out.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2019, 06:28:57 am
content: Well,i wonder whats going to fill the black hole in the duty from fuel if electric takes off?,i guess a different meter to charge the car at a 5x higher unit price of electricity,with maybe rfid with smart meters etc,seems to me it will go the same way as diesels here in the uk,as an aside i nearly got hit walking accross a car park with an electric volvo,never heard the darn thing,ive an electric bike myself,its crazy the amount of folks just step out in front of you as they cant hear you comming!

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2019, 08:40:42 am
content: Electricity already carries a heavy tax load, I'd hope there's not going to be any need to increase it even more?

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2019, 09:09:34 am
content: A tax on electricity would be difficult. We already have a heavy tax on diesel for proles and barely any tax on diesel for farmers. Even when the cheap stuff is coloured so it's easy to tell apart, enforcement essentially relies on luck. How would cheap electricity for the home and steeply-taxed electricity for the car be managed - are they going to be able to tell where the charge in the battery came from? [thinks: wasn't there some digital electricity thing around here?]I think the way to do it is road tolls. Your motor would be monitored 24/7 by ANPRandGPS (and you'd better hope your in-car spy agrees with the external sensing or you'll be nicked for scamming the system) and some variable price charged per unit of distance. That variable would take into account congestion, time of day, electricity wholesale price, and probably running GDP deficit.