VP1902 - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: ali_asadzadeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2023, 08:56:11 am
content: Today I was looking at the updated Versal series overview to see what they have to offer and have seen this monster VP1902, it has 18,506,880 System Logic Cells, a 896 DDR Bus Width, 12 100G Multirate Ethernet MAC and 4 600G Ethernet MAC, and it comes with a VSVA6865 or VSVB6865 package that's almost 7000 pins, what projects would you use them if you could get them for around 100$

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2023, 09:24:30 am
content: Actual price : $33,053.75https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/amd-xilinx/XCVC1902-1LSIVIVA1596/15908135

author: ali_asadzadeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2023, 09:37:47 am
content: brucehoult supose it's affordable what would you do with it?also the link you sent is not VP1902. it's VC1902 and it has 1596 pins

author: jayk
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2023, 05:43:38 pm
content: Yeah the VP1902 is probably north of $100K at this point.

author: ali_asadzadeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2023, 10:17:00 am
content: jayk is there any use case that you would use them if you could get them for cheap

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2023, 09:52:08 pm
content: If you can get this for $100 I'd suspect it would be either a scam or stealing and sold by someone who has no clue.Anyway, that could be used for a number of things, but the question is, unless you have a solid team, what would you really do with something like this as a single engineer? To use it any close to its potential, that would require a gigantic amount of dev time IMO. Or you could just slap in many soft cores. Or prototype a GPU. Dunno.

author: ali_asadzadeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2023, 12:37:12 pm
content: QuoteJust imagine it's not a scam, things would get eventually hit normal prices for normal people, maybe we could see it 10 years from now for just 100$, did you even think that you could get 1GHz MCU's for under 20$ 10 years a go? even people would not see any use case for such an MCU

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2023, 01:48:29 pm
content: Quote from: ali_asadzadeh on December 14, 2023, 12:37:12 pmIn November 2015, Pi Zero was announced with 1 GHz CPU and 512 MB RAM for $5. That's more than 8 years ago.Of course the $5 price wasn't real. With a real price they're very happy if you want to order 10, or 100, or 1000. But Pi Zero was one per customer. It was a loss-leader.Pi Zero 2 W for $15 is probably a real price. Quad core dual-issue 64 bit! With WiFi -- that's amazing. PiHut just let me add 378 of them to my cart and proceed to entering my credit card number (I bailed out of course).

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2023, 05:24:07 am
content: Quote from: ali_asadzadeh on December 14, 2023, 12:37:12 pmI highly doubt any monster like that could be $100 even in 10 years. And especially not with the rampant inflation that's not looking like it's going to stop that soon. (Which is redefining what "normal prices" are already.)And it's hard to compare MCUs, which are commodity devices, with FPGA SoCs, which aren't, even for the much more humble kind.But if that was the case, then it would probably mean that by that time, you'd find it pretty average and would be willing to experiment with a 10 billion-logic cell thing.Still, to fill up such a monster, you'd need to be either pretty creative or have very specific needs in mind.

author: hamster_nz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2023, 09:08:15 am
content: The first rule of FPGA club is nobody can talk about FPGA club, due to NDA agreements.If you could get them for $100,, I would be wondering how I could get at ~200A 0.80V powe supply.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2023, 09:14:33 am
content: Quote from: hamster_nz on December 15, 2023, 09:08:15 amDon't you get that on most PC motherboards these days?

author: TomS_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2023, 03:01:29 am
content: With that much high speed ethernet, it would have to be something telecomms related, like mux/transponders for a DWDM line system.Not that I'd be attempting that myself.

author: ali_asadzadeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2023, 08:11:40 am
content: It could be used for AI at the edge too