Free DVM & Training Signals for Keysight 2000X and 3000A oscilloscopes - Page 1
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author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 09:22:55 pm
content: The latest firmware update turns on the digital volt meter (DSOXDVM) and the education kit's training signals (DSOXEDK).Download it here:http://www.keysight.com/main/software.jspx?ckey=2014479Change log here:http://www.keysight.com/upload/cmc_upload/All/Keysight_2000A_3000A_X_Series_Oscilloscope_Release_Notes_02_42.pdfAll Keysight scopes:http://www.keysight.com/en/pcx-x2015004/oscilloscopes?cc=US&lc=engAs I mentioned in the live stream on 31-Mar, there will be an update coming for the 3000T and 4000X in the coming months (no firm date set yet).Enjoy!

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 10:31:23 pm
content: That link is for downloading the2000XSeries.02.42.2017032900.ksxfirmware update file, and it says the supported instruments are the DSOX2002A, DSOX2004A, DSOX2012A, DSOX2014A, DSOX2022A, DSOX2024A, MSOX2002A, MSOX2004A, MSOX2012A, MSOX2014A, MSOX2022A, MSOX2024A.Is there a separate link for downloading the3000XSeries.02.42.2017032900.ksxfirmware update file listed in the Oscilloscope Firmware Version 2.42 Release Notes for the 3000A X-Series? If there is, I can't find it.

author: MarkL
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 06, 2017, 12:29:44 am
content: It took me a while to find it via their search engine. I don't know where it actually appears:http://www.keysight.com/main/software.jspx?cc=US&lc=eng&nid=-11143.0.00&id=2014548&pageMode=CVIt does not seem to be on the support page for the X3000A. Perhaps KS can fix this.EDIT: Actually, it turns out the .ksx file for the X2000A and X3000A are identical, bit for bit. No surprise since this is how it's been in the past, but never a guarantee for the future.

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2017, 02:33:07 am
content: This thread from last year has a more complete list of firmware links:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/update-firmware-on-your-keysightagilent-inifiniivision-oscilloscope!/The 3000 X-Series link from that thread is:http://www.keysight.com/main/software.jspx?ckey=2014548And of course if I had bothered to look at the About Oscilloscope screen on the scope the link displayed there also works:http://www.keysight.com/find/3000X-Series-swI have a DSOX3APPBNDL license installed so I already had all of the options. Now there is also "RML", what is that?

author: pe1oxp
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2017, 06:08:13 am
content: Quote from: gslick on April 06, 2017, 02:33:07 amI see they didn't fix the issue with the strange time and date format on the printscreen which I reported to Keysight for a few years ago

author: MarkL
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 06, 2017, 03:20:44 pm
content: Quote from: gslick on April 06, 2017, 02:33:07 amRemote command logging.Take a look under Utility-->Options-->Remote Log.The user or programmer manuals do not seem to have been updated.

author: nfmax
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2017, 03:24:41 pm
content: (moved from theKeysight 3000T Signal / Tracking generator Frequency Responsethread)So - what would I like to see in the next 2000A firmware release, apart from bug fixes?In single-shot mode, record and show on screen the date and time of the trigger event (like the time of the first segment in segmented mode)(Optionally?) enable the on-screen display of segments as they are measured - saves me having to wait 3 days to see if my fix worked!NTP time synchronisation (if the LAN interface is installed)Graticule labels!https://xkcd.com/833/Spectrum phase (from X1000 series)Bode plots (from X1000 series)Advanced maths, especially integrate & differentiate (from 3000A series)Arbitrary waveform function generation (if WGN option is installed)I'm not convinced about the usefulness of the additional trigger modes of the 3000A, but then I thought the DVM option would be useless (I bought the bundle when it was on offer) until I tried it, and it's actually very handy indeed at times. The 3000A series will always have the edge of more acquisition memory, faster ADC, wider bandwidth, 50 ohm inputs, and probe interface, quite apart from the 3000T's touch screen & zone trigger, so it ought to be possible to show a little love to the 2000A series as well! Although it's the oldest MZ4 scope, it's still current - mine is still in warranty!I'd be sort of happy if the last three bullets were a new chargeable upgrade (DSOX2TURBO) but I'd prefer not to have to pay, or at least to have them included in the existing bundle upgrade.From what I read about the new R&S, it looks like they are exposing the acquired data through sysfs, and making the resulting files available over the network. I have no personal experience with this scope (yet) but it sounds like a neat idea.

author: JonM
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 03:06:02 am
content: I was watching the ScopeMonth finale livestream and as soon as I heard Daniel get off-screen verification that the DVM option was free for all scopes I went to myKeysight to register and get the license key. All that I found for my DSOX3024T was that there was no price listed for:DSOXEDK Educators Training Kit for InfiniiVision 2000, 3000, 4000 and 6000 X-Series OscilloscopesDSOXT3DVMCTR 3-digit digital voltmeter and 8-digit counter and totalizer for InfiniiVision 3000T X-SeriesI requested a quote, noting what I heard on the livestream, but as expected, that did not work.So, now I understand that the options will be included in the next firmware update.Daniel - Will the "8-digit counter and totalizer" be included for 3000T scopes?In any case, it's a nice move by Keysight!

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 05:09:00 am
content: Score 2 Scopes for the Price of 1!With every purchase of a qualifying product you will receive a complimentary InfiniiVision DSOX1102G 2 channel 100 MHz oscilloscope with a WaveGen function generator.Qualifying Keysight products include:3000T X-Series Oscilloscope4000 X-Series Oscilloscope6000 X-Series OscilloscopeSo if anyone is buying one of the above scopes in the near future anyway, I'm happy to take the DSOX off your handshttp://www.keysight.com/main/editorial.jspx?cc=NO&lc=eng&ckey=2828119&nid=-32110.1203275&id=2828119

author: mstck
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 01:11:58 am
content: I wonder if anyone here can assist me with downloading this upgrade. I have the DSO-X 2024A. I have tried several times to download the upgrade, but every time all I get using Chrome is that there are too many redirects... Try clearing cookies. I did that and nothing happened. I am not sure what I am doing wrong, so some help would be appreciated. This is the first time I have attempted to download an upgrade.

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 05:09:22 am
content: Quote from: mstck on April 08, 2017, 01:11:58 amI sometimes get the same problem, especially if I try to log in to myKeysight. I hope this is the correct one:www.jottacloud.com/p/theammoniacal/02c13b33d2044061b323ac42357d04d4

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 09:32:38 am
content: I have asked Keysight many times over the years to please remove the scopes serial number from the screen shot but it has not happened.@Daniel,What is actually the reason for having the scopes serial number in the screen shot on the top?I have to do a lot of reports in which I am using screen shots and I have to crop each file separately.I don't want my customers to know my scopes serial numbers.

author: cgroen
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 10:14:45 am
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on April 08, 2017, 09:32:38 amTotally agree!At least make it optional via a setting, this way you can select if it should be included or not.All my screendumps ends up in paint and gets the serial number erased, PITA to have to do this

author: pe1oxp
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 11:21:34 am
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on April 08, 2017, 09:32:38 amFor me the same with the strange date/time formatting in the screendump, reported it a few times and they should sent it to the development team.I also like the idea to make it an option to show the serial number in the screendump, the same with the date and time stamp

author: Pinkus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 11:29:11 am
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on April 08, 2017, 09:32:38 am+1As I often use screenshots for documentations etc. I always have to remove them manually. This really sucks. I never understood this - at least there should be an option to switch this information header off completely.

author: MarkL
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 11:48:48 am
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on April 08, 2017, 09:32:38 amHere's what I use to blank the serial number (I don't mind the model/date being there):Code:#!/bin/sh# blank serial number from top of png imagesfor i; doconvert "$i" -fill white -draw "rectangle 77,0 159,22" "$i"doneexit 0"Convert" is part of ImageMagick which you can get for Linux/Mac/Windows.EDIT: If you wanted to crop out the header completely, it would be:Code:#!/bin/sh# crop model/serial/date banner from top of png imagesfor i; doconvert "$i" -gravity south -crop 800x480+0+0 +repage "$i"doneexit 0

author: mstck
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 06:43:07 pm
content: Quote from: TheAmmoniacal on April 08, 2017, 05:09:22 amThank you very much for this. I appreciate your assistance. The scope I have has the function generator and the training files already installed, but not the DVM. Can I assume that this would not be a problem with this upgrade.

author: Dubbie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 09, 2017, 09:11:15 am
content: What are people using the dmm for? A few people have mentioned that they find it handy. I haven't been able to come up with a use for it. I have a bench full of real dmm's always seems much better to grab one of those for a true differential measurement with proper probes rather than fuss about with the scope.

author: WVL_KsZeN
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2017, 09:56:21 am
content: Thanks for the heads-up! I just installed the update. I already had the DVM and training signals from the Application bundle I have.There's one thing though that would be nice to have in a future update : the extra trigger options and especially the math (differentiate/integrate) that's 'available' when you use the --perf option. It's already there and would be a very nice update from KeysightI understand the reason for including the DVM and training signals, it makes the scope a lot more competitive in the education market. DVM gives an often used instrument in the classroom that saves benchspace and the training signals speak for themselves.

author: carl_lab
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2017, 10:31:54 am
content: Quote from: WVL_KsZeN on April 09, 2017, 09:56:21 amCorrect.I didn't understand, why it wasn't included by default right from the beginning...

author: Pinkus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2017, 01:32:57 pm
content: Quote from: carl_lab on April 09, 2017, 10:31:54 amBecause by this they could charge for it or use it for getting the deal closed? In the real world they probably gave the educational buyers these options for free when they needed/wanted to haggle. So probably they told them "only if you purchase DSOX2004 with DSOXDVM and DSOXEDK we can offer you a 25% discount".

author: nfmax
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2017, 03:17:21 pm
content: Quote from: Dubbie on April 09, 2017, 09:11:15 amMost recently - monitoring the Vdd supply on an embedded system which spends most of its time in low power with a supply of 2.5V, but wakes up occasionally and switches the regulator to 5V to run at full speed. For some reason it's failing to wake up properly (I know how it feels!) so I'm using the scope in segmented mode, triggering on this supply going above +4V. I want to see if the operation/shutdown sequence runs normally (using 1 other analogue channel and 4 digital channels). But in segmented mode, you don't see *anything* on screen until the last segment is in captivity. The DVM lets me monitor the Vdd all the time, using the same probe, to check the supply switching is working as intended. For this, 3 digits is fine, in fact better than 4 or more. Meanwhile, the 34401A 'real' 6 1/2 digit DMM is measuring the supply current (10.7 uA in sleep mode for the circuit proper, plus another 25 uA for the one digital channel probe that sees a logic high in this mode!). This meter has enough resolution to show both the sleep mode current and the active current without changing range.

author: Dubbie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 09, 2017, 08:54:09 pm
content: Thanks nfmax.While niche, that sounds like a good reason to use it!

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2017, 09:12:12 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on April 08, 2017, 09:32:38 amTraceability - in environments where things need to be traced back to a calibration record.QuoteWhy not ?

author: JonM
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2017, 09:18:13 pm
content: Quote from: JonM on April 07, 2017, 03:06:02 amI have upgraded to 07.10.2017041130 and can now answer my own question. Yes, it is the "DVMCTR Digital Voltmeter and Counter" license. I'm thinking that the counter / totalizer will be more valuable to me than the DVM. This was an option that I considered buying with the scope. Glad I didn't !

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 01, 2017, 05:03:48 pm
content: Sorry Jon, I missed your question above! Glad the counter/totalizer works out for you!