What in the world are going to do next?? This is crazy - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: romantronixlab
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 12:54:50 am
content: Why every good idea we (humans) find a way to create destruction or harm or instruct others to do harm. Any ways I read this article expecting this was a mistake or some kind of hoax. But it did happen.Man arrested for possessing guns created by 3-D printerhttp://asia.nikkei.com/Tech-Science/Tech/Man-arrested-for-possessing-guns-created-by-3-D-printerWhat is going to be next plastic grenades, bullets, RPG's made on 3d printers

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 01:49:47 am
content: Quote from: romantronixlab on May 19, 2014, 12:54:50 amWell lets review the 'facts' stated in the link.1. While the guns were found in his house, no bullets were found in his home.2. No evidence that they were ever fired.3. Stated he didn't no if was illegal to build them on his printer.I'm sure the laws in Japan are much different then here in the USA, I too would be amazed if heactually broke any laws, but he must have, they arrested him didn't they?I don't presently own any guns, but I've always reserved the right to do so if I wish to in the future. And I would be outraged if building my own plastic gun on a 3D printer was made illegal here.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 01:56:04 am
content: Quote from: retrolefty on May 19, 2014, 01:49:47 amThat's never been an excuse here. If they don't have a warrant already, they'll find something.Tim

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 02:03:05 am
content: If the firearms are functional, and he would not otherwise be lawfully permitted to own such a firearm, I have no problem with them being removed, and indeed for the person to be charged accordingly, or at least an official warning. Ignorance of the law is not typically a viable excuse.If somebody is not permitted to possess some type of thing (for the sake of argument, assume that the reasons are justified), then it does not matter if they make such a thing themselves, they should still not be permitted to possess it.

author: lowimpedance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 03:01:20 am
content: Quote from: romantronixlab on May 19, 2014, 12:54:50 amAnd I suppose they will also print the propellants and explosives too !... Give me a break.

author: Tinkerer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 04:15:40 am
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on May 19, 2014, 01:56:04 amIndeed. Things are getting worse, at least in the US. And pray you dont have any large sums of cash when the cops come arrest you because they will take that as well even when no evidence of a crime can be found.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 04:43:05 am
content: Companies who make weapons have to abide by strict safety & workmanship standards.This is probably why homemade guns are frowned on-----even real ones made of steel.Some halfwit with a 3D printer could make something which would blow up in his hand..

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 05:00:28 am
content: Functional or not has nothing to do with it.. Remember these?"(8 year old) Boy Suspended For Nibbling Pop Tart Into Shape of Gun..."http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/anne-arundel-second-grader-suspended-for-chewing-his-pastry-into-the-shape-of-a-gun/2013/03/04/44c4bbcc-84c4-11e2-98a3-b3db6b9ac586_story.html"(10 year old)Boy disciplined after waving gun-shaped pizza slice..."http://www.wkrn.com/story/16325409/gun-shaped-pizza-sliceWait till they learn how to draw, give them a pencil and a piece of paper and these boys are heading to the slammer for sure...

author: staxquad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 05:51:12 am
content: Quote from: Rick Law on May 19, 2014, 05:00:28 amhow about this disciplineDeputies shoot dead 13-year-old boy spotted carrying 'toy rifle' given to him by friendhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2473573/Andy-Lopez-California-teen-13-carrying-toy-rifle-shot-dead-deputies.htmlthey didn't just shoot the 13 year old boy once to disable, they filled him with bullets (shot seven times), an assassination, then ordered the deceased 13 year old boy to move away from the rifle, then handcuffed the deceased (dead 13 year olds are dangerous), total sociopathsso don't be in possession of toy guns either

author: FJV
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 07:36:56 pm
content: Those guns would explode when used.The original "working" plastic guns were made on a 3D printer that uses a different way of printing.source:http://gizmodo.com/100-000-people-have-already-downloaded-3d-printed-gun-p-498755006QuoteQuote

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 08:30:47 pm
content: Don't guns have to be proofed, also most countries where guns are allowed require the possession of some form of permit I think this is even the case in the US, so unless you get said permit and have the gun proofed you are breaking the law if you print or otherwise make your own gun.

author: xquercus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 09:26:25 pm
content: QuoteIn general no permit or license is required to possess a pistol in the US. A few states and even a few cities do have licensing/permitting requirements. Also, in general, if it's legal for an individual to possess a pistol in the US, it's legal for them to make a handgun provided the firearm meets standards set by federal law. In a few states, there may be additional local laws which would apply as well. Hobbyists regularly make 1911 style pistols using what is called an "80% receiver". If you google "80% 1911" you'll find a number manufacturers. An "80% receiver" is a hunk of metal (literally and legally) that the ATF does not consider a finished firearm. An "80% receiver" is not regulated by the ATF and can be purchased by anyone. It requires a bit of machining to complete -- but usually avoids the most difficult machining. This process appeals to people who enjoy gunsmithing and are interested in making a truly custom firearm.Regarding proofing, it's not required. Although, again, there may be some state or locales where there is an exception. Generally, manufacturers DO proof their firearms though there is no requirement that this is done. As a related aside, firearms are one of the few items excepted from oversight by our Consumer Products Safety Commission -- the government entity which has the power to force recalls of unsafe consumer items.Regarding plastic firearms specifically, there are two requirements in the US which come to mind which one must keep in mind.First of all, the plastic printed firearm MUST have a rifled barrel. In general, unless exempted otherwise, a smooth bore pistol is regulated as a short barrel shotgun. Short barrel shotguns fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and before making one, an individual would have to file an ATF Form 1, pay a $200 "making tax", and comply with all NFA laws. This is the section of US law which regulates machine guns, sound suppressors (called silencers by the ATF), pipe bombs, grenades, land mines, and other firearms which the government felt needed special treatment as a response to 1920s alcohol prohibition related crime. These firearms are also the only firearms which are actually registered at the federal level (though again, a few states have their own registries).Secondly, a plastic firearm would need to literally have a hunk of metal embedded in the receiver. Firearms generally need to be able to set off a metal detector. I believe the 'exemplar' when enforcing this requirement is a 1oz bar iron bar of particular dimensions. I don't recall the exact specifications but it is indeed a requirement.While there are other requirements, the 'rifled barrel' and 'metal detector' requirements are two that come to mind which might be issues when printing a plastic pistol. In the US, if one made a smooth bore plastic pistol, it would be treated no differently than if one had made a hand grenade or machine gun without first filing NFA paperwork. Prison time would certainly be on the table. The metal detector requirement is under a separate statute. I don't know what the potential penalty might be but it could certainly include prison time.Barring those two potential pitfalls, it's generally legal for one to print a pistol in the US just as it's legal to machine one from a hunk of metal.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 10:06:46 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on May 19, 2014, 08:30:47 pmIt varies by State to State and in some cases cities by cities, but in fact in many States one can go to a public 'gun show' and buy a handgun or rifle without any permit required nor background check being performed, just cash on the barrel and Bobs your uncle. But again guns don't kill people, people kill people.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2014, 11:14:04 pm
content: QuoteDepending on how they define "firearm".On the most basic definition (firearm is anything that can fire a bullet), 99.99% of the population can be accused of owning such a firmarm without permits.

author: warp_foo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 20, 2014, 12:48:49 am
content: Quote from: retrolefty on May 19, 2014, 10:06:46 pmIf you buy from a dealer - a vendor with an FFL (Federal Firearms License) - you will get a background check. Even at a 'gun show'. The only time you can purchase a firearm without a background check is a face to face transaction with a private citizen. No FFL holder will do a private sale; by law, as an FFL they must do a NICS (background) check.m