Keithley - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: itdontgo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 08:15:30 am
content: Gay

author: peter.mitchell
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 09:02:42 am
content: worst. video. ever.

author: calmtron
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 01:27:00 pm
content: Not only does it seem that they have missed their target demographic entirely, they seem to have hired somebody's eleven year old son to make the video too.Is this some kind of joke or is it just some version of "bad PR is better than no PR"?Come on, Keithley execs, you have a very strong brand, don't mismanage it.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 01:49:32 pm
content: Aaaah my eyes ....What the hell was that ?I suspect There are hordes of dopeheads flogging to that commercial now. They are all sitting there drooling and brabbling : whoa look at the colors. This is like the best trip ever...

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 01:53:16 pm
content: Nice job, Keithley.What I take from this is 1) the only differentiating feature this thing has is a touchscreen, 2) did I mention it has a touchscreen?, and 3) it must be completely unusable, since they can't be bothered to show it actually in use.

author: SLJ
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 01:58:15 pm
content: And it's only $5,400.00.I suppose if it wasn't touch capable the front panel would half to be 10 times that size for all the controls. Although I would thing a PC/software only controlled box would be simpler and cheaper.

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 02:01:12 pm
content: Danaherisation is complete.....now to measure the speed of rotation of Joesph P.

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 02:34:39 pm
content: I hope that was an April fools joke that got leaked early. They can't be serious

author: bronson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 05:44:42 pm
content: Looks like the new 2450 will screw up your bifocals, so the top half of what you're seeing doesn't match the bottom half. You then stab randomly at the screen with your impeccably manicured hands trying to get it to do anything at all...Not surprising. The 2100 is so much fail that I'm not sure the Keithley brand means much anymore. So sad.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 06:13:01 pm
content: Why couldn't they have at least shown a couple of actual measurements at least?

author: skipjackrc4
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 06:21:58 pm
content: That has to be the worst marketing video I have ever seen. I hope somebody gets fired over that.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 06:22:22 pm
content: The other thing is : why on earth do you want to build in a complex control system on such a small interface panel.Sourcemeters are heavily used in device characterization and they are ALWAYS driven by a controlling program from an attached computer. Actually this instrument comes with extensive control software on the PC. there is no need for a local user interface apart from an on/off button and an output enable button and some safety interlock input.Keithley actually shows a 19 inch instrumentation rack with 4 of these in there together with a huge switchmatrix. There is no sane person that will sit there fiddling with this stuff from their respective local user interface. it simply is not done... totally bonkers.overengineered blinkenlights

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 06:45:33 pm
content: Targeting brain dead managers of social network companies with hipster engineer-impersonators who won't use anything if they can't fondle it.

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2013, 07:36:16 pm
content: Quote from: skipjackrc4 on September 11, 2013, 06:21:58 pmNo, the worst was those Agilent guys running over the Tek scope in the Landcruiser - that got pulled fast.

author: skipjackrc4
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2013, 01:40:57 am
content: Quote from: fcb on September 11, 2013, 07:36:16 pmI haven't seen that one. Are there any known videos floating around?

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2013, 01:55:07 am
content: 3 words.Designed. By. Management.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2013, 03:56:59 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 11, 2013, 06:22:22 pmThey do offer a version without a front panel. However, only the Keithley dopeheads know why that one is calledQuote

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 01:00:12 am
content: Oh my god. Someone just kill me.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 01:01:01 am
content: Quote from: fcb on September 11, 2013, 07:36:16 pmAny chance someone has this downloaded? I need to see this one.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 01:09:15 am
content: Quote from: fcb on September 11, 2013, 07:36:16 pmWhat masturbating monkey of a management-type dickhead felt he justhadto raise enough of a stink over that to get it pulled? It's a joke, you humorless piece o!)*$(@#J...oh, sorry there, kernel panic. I'm back nowSeriously, what's so offensive about that? It's not like they were slandering Tektronix or something, it's not even a real criticism of the equipment, it's just a somewhat violent way to say "we don't like this" and probably meant to evoke a humorous semi-catharsis in engineers who already kind of don't care for Tek scopes. Come on, people...I really hope it was pulled by Agilent as a CYA maneuver, not as a response to Tektronix throwing a fit.

author: skipjackrc4
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 01:16:28 am
content: Are there any other manufacturers of source-meters? I'm thinking this video might be a clever ploy on their part...Except that this is from Keithley's official channel >:

author: plesa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 02:05:27 am
content: Quote from: skipjackrc4 on September 13, 2013, 01:16:28 amAgilent has some SMU'shttp://www.home.agilent.com/en/pc-1862522/source-measure-units?nid=-33786.0&cc=US&lc=engDirect competitor can behttp://www.home.agilent.com/en/pc-1982975/b2900a-series-precision-source-measure-unit-smu?nid=-33504.0&cc=US&lc=eng

author: casinada
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 08:04:35 pm
content: All the well known brand names are really expensive.There is an alternative that might work depending on what your particular needs are. Look at the M88 and M66 series.http://www.maynuo.com/

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 08:28:12 pm
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on September 12, 2013, 03:56:59 pm<icon crying tears for the fallen>like a ham and cheese sandwich without ham ...

author: Alex
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 08:45:10 pm
content: I fear that the sales force will target the management and get them to make the purchasing decision. Naturally, they will dig the HD screen and touch interface that increases productivity by 302.7%. Then suddenly, one morning you will be presented with this on your bench.Alex.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 08:54:21 pm
content: And if you want to listen to one of the worst podcasts ever producedhttp://www.keithley.com/audio/2450_podcast.mp3Horrible audio quality. Horrible scripted. And we learn the 2450 got a touch screen because Keithley thinks their users got more stupid.

author: PA4TIM
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 09:31:37 pm
content: I have seen other pictures where the screen showed IV curves like on a curvetracer. A modern version of the Tek 576. I want one over 10 years as they are affortable ;-)

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 09:32:21 pm
content: Quote from: Alex on September 13, 2013, 08:45:10 pmsuddenly clumsy me will develop two left hands and accidentally drop it while unwrapping it , shattering the display.. oops....

author: nukie
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2013, 11:06:32 pm
content: I see how Keithley engineers toiled day and night and hand their hard work to some other department to market the product. I am pretty sure the group of people who made this is as capable as making a presentation video. Why not just FIRE the department which made the video and let the engineers do the marketing job too. This will save you so much money Danaher.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2013, 03:23:21 am
content: Danaher is a shit company. They purchase companies and starve them of R&D money until they can only make shit products. Companies such as Tektronix and Fluke, are now getting passed up by companies such as Agilent and Brymen. Tek used to be at the forefront of the market, with their 2400 series, while now, their $520 dollar TBS series, is 25MHz @ 500MS/s, with 2.5k memory. A Rigol DS1052, on the other hand, is 50Mhz, with 1 Mpts of sample memory. Agilent, offers a large screen-software upgradable scope for $1290. Now we see why Tek is flailing.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2013, 05:31:46 am
content: Nobody at Danaher cares:

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2013, 06:06:26 am
content: Bingo.Marketing also comes with 100m of rope and a tag at the one end and the ankle at the other. Engineers seem to think that good work is better.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2013, 08:18:27 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on September 14, 2013, 05:31:46 am+1, especially looking both stocks performance, click ->10 years stock price chart ofDanaherVSAgilent, hint : look at the right Y axis.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2013, 08:45:13 am
content: Quote from: nukie on September 13, 2013, 11:06:32 pmDangerous ground. Would you, as an engineer have to waste your time producing an effing video instead of doing some engineering work?

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2013, 09:16:23 am
content: Quote from: echen1024 on September 14, 2013, 03:23:21 amThe 2400 series was never a low-end scope. Tek was not a traditional market leader in affordable scopes costing less than a month's wage, that came later as one of the new management strategies. Few hobbyists would have bought a Tek 465 when it was new. If you're going to complain about Tek, then look at the DPO2000/3000 series.Fluke seems to be doing OK from what I see. They never competed on price, and quality seems to be maintained. Time will tell how their R&D is doing.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2013, 07:17:46 pm
content: Quote from: alm on September 14, 2013, 09:16:23 amNot to be critical, but it seems most of their DPO/MSO series runs that syrupy java crap. That NEEDS to be removed.