Incorrect and misleading statements on RF safety characterize UK group's report - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / rf-microwave

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2019, 11:21:00 pm
content: This is pretty interesting. An independent analystpicked apart the main official UK proclamation on RF safety and finds it loaded with conflicts of interest and misleading statements...."Accuracy is vital when most people only read the executive summary andoverall conclusions from a 348-page report and nationaland international public health decisions and exposuresare based on them. These conclusions did not accuratelyreflect the evidence, as described inexamples below."...Here is the official citation and the paper's abstract:Quote

author: boB
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2019, 11:33:28 pm
content: I like it !!The Advisory Group on Non-ionising ......"AGonIsing" !

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 12:14:06 am
content: Numbers, not adjectives, please.I reckon that I am exposed to 180-270 micromorts per day, simply by living.How many do you expect 5G will add? Micromorts are probably the best way of comparing risks. Seehttp://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120209-a-lesson-in-riskhttps://understandinguncertainty.org/micromortshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 03:20:51 am
content: Why the urgency?-----https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30373877Ann Clin Lab Sci. 2018 Sep;48(5):677-687.Review: Chemical Pathology of Homocysteine VI. Aging, Cellular Senescence, and Mitochondrial Dysfunction.McCully KSAbstractFollowing the discovery that caloric restriction extends the lifespan of many species of animals, the free radical theory of aging attributes the occurrence of oxidized nucleic acids, proteins, and lipids to reactive oxygen radical species originating from the metabolism of foods and the diminished efficacy of oxidative metabolism. Because of the decline of many critical neuro-hormones in aging, the neuroendocrine theory of aging attributes these changes to reduced feedback control of hormone production by the hypothalamus. Several rare genetic diseases attribute accelerated aging to changes in deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) repair, depletion of the coenzyme nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD+), and altered methionine and homocysteine metabolism. The theory of oxidative phosphorylation attributes mitochondrial adenosine triphosphate (ATP) synthesis to the active site, thioretinaco ozonide oxygen NAD+ phosphate, which couples polymerization of NAD+ and phosphate to ATP produced by reduction of oxygen by electrons derived from foods. Loss of the thioretinaco ozonide oxygen ATP complex from the opening of the mitochondrial permeability transition pore (mPTP) is proposed to explain the abnormalities of oxidative metabolism occurring in cellular aging and carcinogenesis, thereby uniting the free radical and neuroendocrine theories of aging. Cellular senescence is associated with shortening of telomeres and decreased activity of telomerase, and exposure of cultured endothelial cells to homocysteine causes cellular senescence, shortened telomeres, and increased acidic β-galactosidase, a marker of cellular senescence. The decrease in telomerase with aging is related to decreased nitric oxide production by nitric oxide synthase. The pathogenic microbes occurring in atherosclerotic plaques and in cerebral plaques in dementia inhibit nitric oxide synthesis by up-regulation of polyamine biosynthesis from adenosyl methionine and putrescene, causing the hyperhomocysteinemia and suppressed immunity that is observed in atherosclerosis and dementia. Progressive mitochondrial dysfunction occurs in aging because of loss of the thioretinaco ozonide oxygen ATP complex from mitochondrial membranes by opening of the mitochondrial permeability transition pore. Melatonin, a neuro-hormone, and cycloastragenol, a telomerase activator, both prevent mitochondrial dysfunction by inhibition of mPTP pore opening. The carcinogenic effects of radiofrequency radiation and mycotoxins are attributed to loss of thioretinaco ozonide from opening of the mPTP and decomposition of the active site of oxidative phosphorylation. The anti-aging effects of retinoids, the decreased concentration of cerebral cobalamin coenzymes in aging, and the diminished concentration of NAD+ from sirtuin activation, as observed in aging, all support the concept of loss of the thioretinaco ozonide oxygen ATP active site from mitochondria as the cause of decreased oxidative phosphorylation and mitochondrial dysfunction in aging.© 2018 by the Association of Clinical Scientists, Inc.KEYWORDS:adenosyl methionine; aging; asymmetric dimethylarginine; carcinogenesis; cellular senescence; cobalamin; dementia; endothelial progenitor cells; homocysteine; melatonin; mitochondrial dysfunction; mitochondrial membrane potential; mitochondrial permeability transition pore; mycotoxin; nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide; nitric oxide; oxidative phosphorylation; radiofrequency radiation; retinoic acid; sirtuin; telomere; thioretinaco ozonide; thioretinamidePMID:30373877Quote from: tggzzz on January 11, 2019, 12:14:06 am

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 09:20:50 am
content: Quote from: cdev on January 11, 2019, 03:20:51 amWhat urgency?That you ask about "urgency" indicates a gross misinterpretation of a simple, short post.What, then, should we assume about your interpretations of long, subtle and complex texts?

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 09:41:19 am
content: The paper quoted in the OP was published in a journal with an impact factor of 0.6 (that's oh point six).Since there are many "predatory" publishers who will publish any kind of junk, researchers need objective criteria to distinguish good from bad journals. Impact factor is an average of how many times the average paper in a journal is cited: 0.6 is very low and raises suspicion that the journal in question is not worth the dead trees it's printed on. It's an even lower impact factor thanBiomedical Hypotheses!

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 09:49:18 am
content: I hate these reports. A big problem with them is that there is no causality or credibility. It's all correlation and then conclusions. Nothing more than attention grabbing from whoever wrote it. If they throw enough shit it might stick one day and in the mean time funding will continue, usually from some shitty industry funded thinktank.For example the usual behavioural problems caused by mothers' use of mobile phones in children. Is it?1. Nature. Does the RF cause degenerative problems during pregnancy?2. Nurture. Is it the lack of mobility and attentiveness caused by the addictive devices 7 years after the sprog has popped?There's no way to prove either unless there's a conclusive controlled test case which proves it and that's actually illegal. And no the mouse models used aren't sufficient. Not even slightly.On top of that, the background noise from pollution, cigarettes etc is too high to even derive any data from it.Real RF safety advice:1. Don't hold a chinese 25W burner HT next to your head2. Don't look down a waveguide.3. Don't try and have intimate relations with a mobile phone tower.4. Don't try and microwave your head.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2019, 08:34:44 pm
content: The more I read about this the more I suspect that RF, like a number of similar areas where regulation is also being deliberately broken have a strong possibility within the next few years gradually together adding up to create major global health problems for the world's people. Problems that are at that point going to be impossible to halt because of stealth entitlements to preempt national rights to regulate which are going to impact countries like our own and others.Hypothetical future non-biased regulators wont be able to regulate, they won't be able to say no. The question will have been nailed down outside the jurisdiction of nation-states to fix.The effect of this will be to steal peoples health, for example, people whose apartment blocks have cell-phone base stations mounted on their own or a neighbor's roofs, in an uncompensated manner. They plan to install them every 100 to 200 meters. Thats a lot.Or, what about people who constantly carry a cell phone in a pocket close to- their gonads.Look at the areas where they clearly were trying to trivialize the science. Oxidative stress. Reproductive issues including male fertility, etc.Those areas are problematic and the outdated practice of just measuring heat ignores the other effects which can be quantified, particularly the oxidative stress need to be looked at in a far more granular manner, because vulnerability to oxidative stress is much higher at the beginning of life and later in life than in the middle.The kinds of experiments they would need to really show subtle effects in, say children, of increased oxidative stress for mothers during pregnancy, can't be done.However, people have been studying oxidative stress generally for a long time and its a body of science where the effects of oxidative stress generally are quite consistent and very well known. Thats what I have been trying to tell people. They left that out.The same issue is what worries me about numerous other kinds of exposure, such as low level ionizing radiation. It also causes oxidative stress. So does mercury and heavy metal exposures, so do numerous chemicals.You should do enough reading to not be subject to "trust us, we're experts" BS.Certain things are really worrisome. Here is another one, failure to address was pointed out in the critique..There has been a lot of research which show measurable changes relating to reproduction, such as to the testes, particularly to the quality of human sperm, from strong RF fields, within the range people are commonly exposed to now..A search for papers pulls up a lot of hits. Just picking a few of the very first ones illustrates what I am trying to explain.https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2018/5076271/Anotherhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6240172/This is not new information. But many people don't seem to be aware of this and the 'official' reports that attempt to sweep it under the rug arent helping us understand it either.Given these pressures I think the only reasonable path is to go very slowly or stop until much more data has been gathered in these areas where there remain some very important health questions.Keeping that in mind, if people really want to understand this, put more effort into reading papers - read more original papers to get the finer points of what they say.Papers you can find in fifteen quality minutes of searching on databases. You miss a lot only reading abstracts. And even more only reading "official experts". Too much!If I really want to understand something I print it out so I can mark it up with my questions as I read.I go through a lot of paper doing this. But its what works for me the best.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2019, 10:10:53 pm
content: lol phone companies are some of the scummiest fuckers you can deal with so be careful with anything they say (particularly prices but still).they would probably sell you a piece of plutonium if they couldseriously don't trust them, I am not kidding as far as accounting goes their up there with the mafia.i hope they get regulated out the ass. you can't work with them without feedback unless you get the best plan. otherwise shit just keeps escalating for no reason at all. no other utility works like that.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2019, 04:05:54 am
content: I read recently that statistically cell phone tower work is now by far the most dangerous job in the US. They are supposed to in theory wear safety gear but the workers are so pushed for time they basically are under constant pressure to work faster and so - ooops..Really sad stories of people cut down in the prime of life, for trying to feed their families.