EEVblog #1136 - Banksy Artwork Shredder - Part 2 (Still Trolling!) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 10:10:33 am
content: Banksy posted an update video showing more of the prank build and the shredding mechanism. But he's still trolling us!

author: max_torque
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 10:42:04 am
content: I can think of one possible explanation for the "exacto blades" tyre arrangement originally shown.Banksy is a street artist, a guy who is self made and who likes to do hands-on art, so perhaps he did start with a completely self made shredder? He probably wouldn't initially have access to, or the direct resources for the CNC machined parts the eventual system required (knurled rollers etc) so i suggest that he started to experiment with a very DIY shredder, using cutting blades, which he would have in his studio, and an old motor (looks like an wheelchair motor to me). However, as the power and loads to reliably shred a thick canvas are considerable, i'm going to suggest that after some early trials (hence all the different system parts (belts/motors/rollers etc) shown, he eventually had to call in help, from a more professional engineering company (plenty of small ones exist in the uk, doing public art/displays and similar things (hello mikeselectricstuff!) and they refined the design to the eventual system.For Banksy though, i could see that he'd very much want to make it look like he did it all, and not that he had to call in outside (possibly commercial, ie paid) help, hence all the smoke and mirrors releasing of footage of the earlier DIY systems?

author: cgroen
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 11:48:16 am
content: Soldering is not what he is best at

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 11:50:52 am
content: nah that is clearly his vincent van gogh moment, suffering for his art

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 12:25:14 pm
content: Quote from: cgroen on October 19, 2018, 11:48:16 amYeah, I saw that one too. Also someone needs to sponsor his crew a proper iron instead of that 10 euro/GBP Lidl special that fellow is holding (well, it likely isn't from Lidl because that one was green but it is the same crappy iron).

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 12:27:25 pm
content: Quote from: janoc on October 19, 2018, 12:25:14 pmI think he can afford to sponsor his own crew!

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 12:28:53 pm
content: Quote from: max_torque on October 19, 2018, 10:42:04 amRight - so he releases footage of a guy "soldering" the motor wires by holding the cold soldering iron (notice the absence of any smoke) by the metal part that would normally be 300+ degrees C. Or a shredder design that can't possibly work.Come on, you are giving him too much credit. As Dave said - he is trolling everyone who takes this stuff at face value.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 12:30:24 pm
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on October 19, 2018, 12:27:25 pmOne would think so but I kinda pity that fool with that "soldering iron" in the video if they really had to use that firestick for anything

author: dcac
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 12:52:14 pm
content: Perhaps the half-threading was caused by a cold solder joint.And have they checked the frame to see if the mechanism is or can be disabled - there might i.e. be tamper switches inside - so the transformation to a genuine Pranksy might still not be complete.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 01:55:07 pm
content: Could the receiver be one of those key finder gadgets? The beeping sure sounds like one.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 05:35:32 pm
content: Yeah, right, he doesn't like that his artwork is sold, this is what he says. But this is exactly why the crazy rich people want to buy it. And I'm sure he doesn't mind the money. He even has an agent who sells his work, and "Banksy" sounds suspiciously like money. But he did some cool other stunts:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5335400.stm

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 06:36:47 pm
content: Quote from: max_torque on October 19, 2018, 10:42:04 amI can think of another explanation: It might be a tip-o-the-hat to fellow street artist "Farewell", who previously came up with the idea of slicing up outdoor advertising posters with a row of (properly oriented) X-acto knives:http://www.beautifuldecay.com/2014/05/14/street-artist-farewells-destroys-outdoor-advertisements-homemade-paper-shredder/Seems that Farewell did this in 2014, so it may very well have "inspired" Banksy.

author: Silveruser
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2018, 08:04:34 pm
content: BTW, that red stapler is not a stapler as such. It used to put in those diamond shaped points that hold the back in place.

author: TrickyNekro
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2018, 12:54:03 am
content: I bet my bottom dollar that someone who would have gone through all that, to shred a painting in an auction is not just done there.I really bet that if someone tries to open the thing, or wait long enough the thing will shred itself through and through.The prank isn´t over people! This last part of his video is just an omen!

author: Zbig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2018, 11:01:59 am
content: Am I the only one unsure whether "infamous" actually means what Dave seems to think it means?

author: f4eru
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2018, 08:37:08 am
content: We unmasked the face of the real Banksy !His soldering technique revealed who he really is

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2018, 12:29:09 pm
content: Quote from: Zbig on October 20, 2018, 11:01:59 amYes.

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2018, 01:52:11 pm
content: Quote from: Zbig on October 20, 2018, 11:01:59 amIf you think Banksy is a great street artist then he's famous. If you think his art isn't, and he is just a graffiti vandal the he is infamous. If you're unsure you might be a critic.Infamous is a word whose meaning is morphing with famous in popular usage. Because Banksy operates in a clandestine way making pointed social commentary I think infamous is reasonable.But I'm not entirely sure Dave was making a value judgement.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2018, 02:55:22 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on October 21, 2018, 01:52:11 pm

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2018, 06:08:29 pm
content: From what I've understood of all the technical details, I too think he's still trolling. Nothing suprising though. Am I going too far if I say that he's been trolling with his "art" all along?

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2018, 06:54:02 pm
content: Art is a very strange world that I have never been able to comprehend. There are very attractive paintings that are worth a few dollars at best, and there is amateurish garbage that is worth thousands or millions of dollars. It's not a matter of rarity, whether $5 or $5 Million there is only one original copy. It's certainly not a matter of skill, some abstract crap that I could paint in 10 minutes is worth a fortune. I have to wonder if the people willing to pay large sums of money for a work of art are as mentally ill as some of the well known artists. Perhaps it's just a case of people having so much money that they can't think of anything else to do with it.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2018, 08:20:33 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on October 21, 2018, 06:54:02 pmYou forgot the "I'm not an art expert, but I know what I like!" bit.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 01:47:00 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on October 21, 2018, 08:20:33 pmI'm as much an art expert as any other art expert, they're all full of shit anyway, the sort of people who can't get enough of looking down their nose at people and smelling their own farts. Art is very subjective, and it's completely bizarre how seriously some people take it.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 02:02:27 am
content: Quote from: james_s on October 22, 2018, 01:47:00 amI would say some of the most expensive paintings look good. There is a list:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_paintingsBut I didn't know that they got that much expensive, like half a billion dollar for the most expensive painting in the world. But only one painting which I could do, too, the Suprematist Composition. I guess for such abstract art then it is just luck that someone likes your painting and wants to pay for it. But besides luck, you still have to start painting first.

author: Koen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 02:17:26 am
content: 80M :https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/barnett-newman-1905-1970-black-fire-i-5792532-details.aspx40M :http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2013/may-2013-contemporary-evening-n08991/lot.17.esthl.html20M :http://artist.christies.com/Robert-Ryman--42608.aspx

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 02:26:10 am
content: Quote from: james_s on October 22, 2018, 01:47:00 amThanks for proving ebastler's point.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 02:50:10 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on October 22, 2018, 02:26:10 amAnd what point was that? Is he one of those art snobs who thinks he knows more than others?

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 02:59:44 am
content: Additionally, graffiti is not art, it is vandalism plain and simple, a ubiquitous blight on the urban landscape. I'd love to see graffiti tagging made a felony. First offense should get a minimum of 1,000 hours of community service cleaning up graffiti. It costs individuals and businesses huge amounts of money and effort to clean up and makes cities everywhere look like garbage.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 05:06:53 am
content: Quote from: james_s on October 22, 2018, 02:50:10 amThanks for your interest. My point was mainly that your post was lacking any original thought on the matter.If you take a step back, you might find that Banksy is taking a rather playful approach at his art; he enjoys blurring the boundaries between "art" and "non-art", and has an ambivalent view of the art market and art critics, to say the least. Your rants about "art experts" and people taking art overly serious seem to miss that.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 06:44:18 am
content: Quote from: Koen on October 22, 2018, 02:17:26 amRight, the $80M painting is a bit overpriced, but the $40M is totally worth the money. Just the size is massive: 102 x 120 in. (259.1 x 304.8 cm), so the canvas and oil paint itself could be easily worth 0.001% of the price. And read the catalogue note of the painting, this clearly explains the price:Quote

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 12:22:08 pm
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on October 22, 2018, 02:02:27 amIt's pocket change if you're the Abu Dhabi Department of Culture.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 12:24:49 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on October 21, 2018, 06:54:02 pm...but didn't.(and that'sthe point)

author: razberik
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 12:36:49 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on October 22, 2018, 02:59:44 amAn actual story happened: A man bought a garage in lines of many garages. All garages were plain-colored and this man painted his own garage with graffiti. Then somebody considered this mans property was damaged and he repainted his garage to previous color. The garage owner sued unknown vandal for damaging his property.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 02:26:53 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 21, 2018, 06:08:29 pmIt has been my observation that artists find discussion about their works a key objective - so while we are crawling through the engineering involved, I'm sure he is happy to give us material to run with.It is also this attention that will have increased the value. Not every one has a piece from a well known artist that has been shredded - and the more it's talked about, the greater the interest ...

author: Peabody
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 05:23:06 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on October 22, 2018, 02:26:53 pmDon't forget - it was shredded by the artist himself, using a design he created. None of this shredded-by-assistant rubbish. So not only is the half-shredded print worth a fortune, but I bet the shredding mechanism itself would sell separately for half a million at least. And who knows what the remote would go for.The fine art market is so profoundly perverted that the buyer will no doubt make a fortune on the shredded work. This "work of art" is worth more destroyed than it was when still intact.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2018, 05:41:38 pm
content: If he will leave poop by his artwork, the poop will be carefully picked and sold on auctions for double the price of the artwork. Or most likely his poop will be declared artwork.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2018, 08:47:11 am
content: Quote from: Peabody on October 22, 2018, 05:23:06 pmWhy is that "perverted"?The whole point of owning a painting instead of a inkjet printed copy is that there's only one, that yours is unique and therefore better.Lots of people have got acopyof this painting. There's only one that was shredded in public by Banksy so this one is obviously worth more than the others.

author: snoopy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2018, 01:02:14 pm
content: Aussies will be able to relate to this

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2018, 07:16:40 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on October 22, 2018, 02:26:53 pmThis is the whole point of this "modern art" trend.The attention an artist can get. Not the artefacts themselves, which frankly don't even matter most of the time.Some artists even have released paintings that were just blank, off-the-shelf canvas. No kidding. This is a nice demonstration of this. Obviously not everyone is able to pull that off. The "art" doesn't lie in the artefacts anymore in that case, but in the artist's self-marketing skills. Whether "art" is the right word for this is up for debate, but it's certainly not accessible to just anybody. We could note that this is an almost complete 180° turn compared to past "conventional" art, the artists of which were often completely broke, mostly unknown and died without any kind of recognition.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 01:56:53 am
content: Quote from: snoopy on October 25, 2018, 01:02:14 pmBanksy has introduced a whole new class of meme...

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2018, 08:07:56 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on October 22, 2018, 12:24:49 pmhttp://smbc-comics.com/comic/modern-art-2