EEVshill - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 04:46:17 am
content: Someone on Youtube posted this and I think it's a hilarious idea.Take money from all these companies that constantly ask for paid reviews and then post a real review on my EEVshill channel!Would be interesting to see their reaction when I say "Sure, I'll do it, but it goes on my EEVshill channel".Would of course need a large number of initial subscribers for anyone to be interested, so I'd have to announce it, get people to sign up and then sit back and wait for the suckers

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 04:59:25 am
content: Or maybe EEVpaidshill to make itreallyobvious?

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 05:02:37 am
content: EEVjunk would work for me.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 05:10:16 am
content: Quote from: Bud on November 01, 2019, 05:02:37 amThat's the trick. This wouldn't be for just junk rubbish products, I might actually give the product a glowing review if it's good enough.What I think is an interesting experiment is how many companies would take up a paid offer to appear on a channel called EEVPaidShill or some such."EEVshill - The finest in Paid Shill product reviews!"

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 05:22:26 am
content: LOL I love this idea. I say do it.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 05:23:47 am
content: It would have to be a real review. If you did a joke review where you said "it is 10x better then a Fluke", then you would probably see on the product's website "Dave Jones of EEVBLOG says it is 10x better then a Fluke".If you do a real review and you say truthfully "This product is actually pretty good. I would recommend it", then you get into that grey area where you are recommending a product in a paid review.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 05:33:05 am
content: Quote from: amspire on November 01, 2019, 05:23:47 amSure, it would definitely be a real review in my usual style, but at the start of the video it would have something like "This is a Paid Shill review, bought and paid for by The Widget Company.". Maybe with som cash displayed in the backgroundSo serious but piss-take at the same time.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 06:10:53 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 01, 2019, 05:33:05 amYou could do it with the mailbag shelf background but have wads of cash you can just stick everywhere on the shelf. When you go to clear the desk to place he product there can just be a bunch of cash in the way that you swipe off too.Bonus if you do a tear down and there's cash in it. Just have cash in every possible shot.

author: Unordung
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 06:22:26 am
content: I would subscribe for the giggles.Not sure many people would actually pay to be on the Shill channel but.

author: phamuc
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 07:27:05 am
content: Dave,Go on...take their money

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:14:48 am
content: Realistically I'd say just do it main channel if you're going to and let them know it's honesty only, not some scripted garbage they provide. Also Cash.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:25:25 am
content: You definitely need to have a special hat on when making these videos, just to be sure there is no cross-channel confusion.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:26:20 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on November 01, 2019, 08:25:25 am+1

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:27:33 am
content: If you do do this, would you disclose in the video the company's terms and how much they paid you?Do they advise against publicly dissussing the terms of the arrangement or even forbid it?I'd be interested to know where these companies draw the line of full disclosure.

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:29:47 am
content: EEVShill&Chill: it's the new 'Hot or Not'

author: BBBbbb
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:31:15 am
content: If the reviews are going to be unbiased or obviously sarcastic, this could end up being a good idea. Why? -> Because many "YT influencers" will accept money in exchange for a positive "review", and when an inexperienced future customer starts googling the product, it will end up only seeing positive stuff.This way Dave could take the $, and even if the review is not negative, it could raise awareness among potential customers that the seller is going around paying for reviews. To work this would mean that Dave needs to create the content in such a way that it can't be misunderstood or taken out of context.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:34:04 am
content: Make David2 do it!

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:41:31 am
content: Wouldn't get very far. The first one will pull out when they see you've broken contract terms by posting something they didn't give approval for. Or worse, defrauded them.It's an amusing fantasy, sure, but alas, that's as far as it goes.Unless... the point is not so much the legit ones that actually care, but the ones that don't, that don't even notice that you literally have "shill" in the name.A good argument against that is, "any news is good news", and you're just encouraging bad behavior (indeed actively participating in it).There's also possible fallout from your existing advertisers, who may drop when they see how you're treating others. This seems like a lower risk, given the low-key ads you accept right now.Of course anything done on your own, no money, no contract, that's 100% fair game. Want to shit on whoever's spamming you this week? Go all in!Tim

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:55:43 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on November 01, 2019, 08:34:04 amDavid2 rocksbut in this he's too nice a bloke,it needs David1 to 'work it'Name wise for the channel, how aboutEEVshill4foodcashsexfreetestgearCome on, all bases covered, like WHO wouldn't tune in to that?

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 09:23:56 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on November 01, 2019, 08:25:25 amHmmmm.... * mind wanders off ..... *

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 09:27:02 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on November 01, 2019, 09:23:56 amThat's not a hat!A Dundee hat to go with the Dundee knife.

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 09:30:46 am
content: I would say go for it, you can probably spin it into satire,Just need something like the beanie as a special hatEdit: Ok brumby has me beat by a mile

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 10:00:10 am
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on November 01, 2019, 08:41:31 amOooh, the EEVshill channel could be devoted to the best shill request email each week!

author: Brutte
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 10:44:14 am
content: So you are considering having two identities - one that is paid for doing reviews and one that is doing teardowns for the fun of it.. That is walking on a thin ice. Once people notice you are maximizing profit, you become indistinguishable from an advertiser. Do not get me wrong, there is nothing bad in making profit or advertising but I think you should focus on one identity only. Otherwise you will loose both your reputation as Dave the Engineer and as Dave the Advertiser.And finally, why limit yourself to having two identities?

author: TomS_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 11:06:16 am
content: Would marketers really be that stupid to pay money to someone who is obviously doing it as a piss take, and whos viewers are probably only there to watch the shill videos for laughs and probably have no interest in buying the products/services advertised?Somehow I think not, but prove me wrong?edit: Actually Im stupid and didnt understand the post. This sounds very entertaining. The worst that can happen is that they catch on and stop bothering you.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 03:04:53 pm
content: In my view, you have a large audience and a stellar reputation, you shouldn't do anything to tarnish it.We sort of know which pieces of equipment were donated for testing, you talk about it in the opening monologue.Your reviews have been balanced and fair.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 04:41:25 pm
content: Quote from: Unordung on November 01, 2019, 06:22:26 amThe Chinese companies would likely not know or understand the meaning of it and use it.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 04:56:44 pm
content: Actually i have an idea - why not to play the game from the other side and actively reach to companies to promote the channel and with the offer of featuring their products on this channel

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 05:00:08 pm
content: Why not EEVil?Quote from: rstofer on November 01, 2019, 03:04:53 pmYeah, I agree with that.

author: Gregg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 05:16:54 pm
content: You should create an evil twin to do the paid reviews. I’m kind of partial to “Deep Reviews with Davey Jones”Make a hand painted backdrop that looks like your mailbag set but obviously not the real thing.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 05:18:13 pm
content: The channel does not have to be sarcastic. There are always positive sides of products that can be honestly highlighted without praising. Why not to take the money laying around. Separation can be achieved by various means from wearing a hat like was suggested, saying a disclaimer at the beginning of videos or inserting humorous but inoffensive (to the vendor) remarks about the nature of the channel throughout shooting of the episodes.

author: TERRA Operative
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 05:39:27 pm
content: You'll have to do the videos sitting in one of those clear 'cash grab' booths with the fan blowing the money around.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 08:30:24 pm
content: Would it be fraud if you replied from your "EEVShill" email address to the original incoming request, and then hope that they don't notice the change in identity? Of course supplying correct information when requested (x subs, shill channel link, etc.). Yeah I think thats a bit unfair.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 09:18:04 pm
content: As they say in marketing, there is no bad publicity. Vendors can be given a choice to send products to Mailbag for a free, albeit "regular" EEVblog style review, or to the EEVshill channel for a paid review where they can have a leverage to highlight strong points and benefits of their product in their own wish list. Garantee, will be a line up of vendors ordering the service.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 09:28:31 pm
content: I cannot see how this would work because any company paying you to review their product is going to require they see and approve the video first. In other words they only buy the video if they like it. Then they pay.

author: zdelarosa00
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 09:37:27 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on November 01, 2019, 05:02:37 amIf thats gon' be the name I'm down.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2019, 11:36:32 pm
content: It would be too ambiguous for viewers and companies alike and it is a question of time when things would be mixed. It would not even take a mistake on the side of the creator, it might be sufficient if viewers don't get it right and interpret their own mindset in, triggering reactions you wouldn't want to deal with or that ruin the serious part of all your effort.Discussing youtube economy itself might be interesting, but almost anyone does that. Shill or not shill, who cares if what you do makes sense and enables people to form their own opinion, which is the whole point of consuming videos about specific products or comparisons between them.Practically anyone taking part in social media could involuntary be taken for a shill because in an attention economy the meta is to attract subscribers/watch time/clicks. Well, unless you would be so horrible in it that no one would want to watch your content.

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2019, 04:06:48 am
content: It's a bad idea.Likely companies won't go along with EEVshill as it's not the main channel with 673,000 odd subscribers.If that doesn't worry them, then they get Dave to promote their possibly suspect product/marketing methods.At the end of the day, most of this lot would be happy with getting an "influencer" like Dave shilling their stuff.I know the chinese PCB companies don't give a crap who promotes their services, random youtubers who mess with electronics but couldn't design a PCB if their life depended on it have also gotten shill offers.Anyone know of other companies with scatter cannon marketing methods ?At the end of the day, Youtube needs less crapping shilling, it's just gotten out of hand at the moment. It's become a burden to watch some channels, too much like mainstream media (TV).

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2019, 04:31:42 am
content: and sell baseball caps.... M E G AMake Electronics Great Again

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2019, 11:07:06 am
content: Quote from: Brutte on November 01, 2019, 10:44:14 amI agree. No matter how well you design it to underline the sarcastic intention, and no matter how good your actual intentions are, your precious image of a completely unbribable, objective expert will suffer as a result. It would be fun to watch - for a few episodes. After that, the joke gets old really quickly, but the downsides, the reputational risk, is an issue of your lifetime.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2019, 11:37:23 am
content: I believe it is, perhaps, a little premature for some of the criticism that is being levelled here since Dave hasn't given an actual example for us to critique.Nevertheless, unless Dave comes up with some performance recipe that stands the test of time, I must agree with this sentiment:Quote from: Siwastaja on November 02, 2019, 11:07:06 amAs such, I wonder if it would be worth the experiment.Just my two cents

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2019, 08:56:39 pm
content: Sure, do it. For extra shits and giggles, give the editing to the cheapest editor on freelancer.com. And maybe use the lowest possible production value. Like instead of shooting in the lab, just do it in the laundry room or something.

author: blacksheeplogic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2019, 09:27:19 pm
content: This will cheapen the image of you, your company, and channel. There's a community on the net that would enjoy such a channel but do you really want to be seen as a professional or a joke. I suspect this would also hurt your existing relationships with some of the major companies who tend to avoid this type of channel and it would cheapen their image as well to be associated.This is just my opinion.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2019, 10:30:01 pm
content: I reckonblacksheeplogicabove has pretty much nailed it in two linesi.e. give it a miss for now, but consider it later on,when social media and Youtube/Facebook etc sink further down in standards and moralsand just about everyone and their dog resort to tacky buck grabbing,so product shill flogging won't be an issue, and most likely the normThe other side of the coin/SHILLing is..the manufacturer/sponsors may send DJ a pre-checked device, fine tuned, calibrated to specs etcand not a typical9 dollar WTF (in sky blue)unit hot off the TooHungLow assembly lineDud product buyers will comment complaints, and or tr0ll DJ 24/7 and send the channel to internet oblivion

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 04:49:51 pm
content: Quote from: TomS_ on November 01, 2019, 11:06:16 amThat would be a bit of fun to watch but it would be a shame if it backfired in a way and I hope it doesn't affect all the other free goodies sent by manufacturers that Dave tears down and gets to keep after exposing the faults in them.I misunderstood too from all the stuff they sent in the EEVShill video... they were asking for it for a long time.It take it that it would be some parody with a bit of branding EEVShill.

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 11:07:38 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on November 06, 2019, 04:49:51 pmWhat other free goodies? Those days are long past. Even mailbag doesn't get much love anymore. The only good thing about EEVShill would be if it injected new enthusiasm. But it wouldn't appeal to me.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 12:49:54 am
content: Quote from: blacksheeplogic on November 02, 2019, 09:27:19 pmhttps://youtu.be/SToyIb9tNiY

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 02:06:34 am
content: Quote from: SL4P on November 02, 2019, 04:31:42 amDAMN! I like that!That would trigger countless people, I must do this

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 02:22:18 am
content: Get the safety line ready ... Looks like Dave is going in!!

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 02:22:50 am
content: It reminds me of someone who was pestered by telemarketers and he had his way with them.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23869462Quote

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 02:40:28 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on November 07, 2019, 02:22:18 amIt's triggered the snowflakes on Twitter already!

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 02:42:06 am
content: I think its a great idea.I would go for EEVshill rather than EEVJunk.I think a lot of companies would be put off by EEVJunk as it implies their product is junk.EEVshill is more likely to work, or slip through the cracks where no one notices until its too late.Also any viewers who don't like the concept can simply not subscribe to the new channel.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 02:42:48 am
content: Turns out Zazzle don't have that style, you have to get it from another store, so I don't seen to be able to add it to my store.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 02:53:19 am
content: I'm not sure how much companies usually pay for paid reviews, so i'm not sure if this makes financial sense or not.But I have an idea for even more LOLz on the channel.Lets say brand X pays you for a review of product Z on EEVshil.You do a proper review view of it.If it comes out 'Thumbs Up' you do a giveaway for one of their products.If it comes out 'Thumbs Down' you buy and give away their biggest competitors equivalent product.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 05:06:16 am
content: Troll reportDidn't get ratioed!105 likes to 31 offended snowflakesIf Trump wins by that margin in the 2020 election then I called it here first!

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 08:27:37 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 07, 2019, 05:06:16 amSomeone help me separate the people who genuinely think the idea is not great from those 31 who were offended snowflakes. Or is it just a bad idea to give Dave negative feedback?I looked but couldn't tell.For the record I don't think it is all that good an idea. But not offended either.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 09:27:32 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on November 07, 2019, 08:27:37 amYou specialise in negative feedback of me that often borders on harassment, as I continually have to point out to you Wilfred.

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 09:17:34 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 07, 2019, 09:27:32 amWell that's a debatable point which I don't have much interest in. But it doesn't answer the very valid question that your twitter followers who may not agree with all your ideas are not at the same time all delicate little snowflakes. It isn't possible.Do you not think that to shut down critical comment in the manner you do may lead some to think of you as the snowflake?Your response to my open question to the forum is a case in point. People will notice. Really they do.Go right ahead and make this EEVShill if you want to. Make a hat that channels a Trump political slogan if you think the joke is worth it. I'm not stopping you. Any colour you like.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 10:21:47 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on November 07, 2019, 09:17:34 pmYou have admitted it before and apologised for it, but continue to harass me to this day. You specialise in criticising in a polite manner so that everyone else thinks you are the good guy just asking questions. But in reality you criticise every little single thing I say and do, hundreds and hundreds and of times, it's stalking criticism by a thousands cuts, and many people have noticed that. One day it will get you banned, and when that happens I want people to know it won't be for the one mild criticism, it will be for that continued stalking over many years and hundreds of posts.QuoteShow me one example where I have shut down critical comment. I have not banned or blocked a single person.QuoteThat's because I will not engage with you on criticism any more, you lost my respect many years ago.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 08, 2019, 12:30:21 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 07, 2019, 10:21:47 pmI don't see much room for debate - and that easily explains your lack of interest.QuoteSomeone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's called "passive aggressive" - a well-known type of behaviour.A lot of us can see it. It's not something Dave needed to point out.(I have a little bet going with myself)

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2019, 09:37:43 pm
content: @ DJ reMake Electronics Great Againmerchandise:An aussie flag included somewhere for the local patriotswould be appreciated,and or chuck in some kangaroos, wombats, koalas, Aboriginal art etcjust in case the flag thing upsets OSersperhaps a lab kangaroo with soldering iron, head mag, EEVblog meter ..or...

author: luckyme2
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 18, 2020, 10:47:56 am
content: David2 is not at @EEVblog anymore. I heard this on one of the recent "The AMP HOUR" podcast.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2020, 12:52:48 pm
content: I can see a parallel between products on these shill reviews and contestants going on Red Faces on Hey Hey Its Saturday.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey_Hey_It%27s_Saturday#Red_Faces

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2020, 05:58:44 pm
content: Quote from: luckyme2 on January 18, 2020, 10:47:56 amFirst I have heard of it but I rarely listen to the podcasts. Save some time and post a link and time stamp.

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2020, 02:59:51 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 07, 2019, 02:06:34 amI would not wear it in Chicago as people have been beaten up wearing the red MAGA cap i recall.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2020, 03:26:19 am
content: I wonder if any cheeky astronomers have made a red cap with "Make Aurigae Goats Again"?(In Bedouin astronomy and early Greek mythology, theconstellation Aurigais associated with goats. Now it is something like the charioteer or something.)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 19, 2020, 07:34:29 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on January 18, 2020, 05:58:44 pmhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/eevblog-staff-update/