Dave's PCB rulers - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: IonizedGears
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 05:36:04 am
content: I live in Connecticut, USA so i can't show up to any convention where dave has a boothwhich in itself is a letdown and i don't have the means to get one of those PCB rulers dave gives out. I was wondering if i could get some if i pay the postage or if i could buy them from someone or dave directly.

author: johnboxall
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 05:43:14 am
content: Turn a problem into an opportunity. Design files -http://www.eevblog.com/urulerFind a few people in advance, pool your money, get some made.

author: IonizedGears
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 05:53:06 am
content: Quote from: tronixstuff on August 14, 2013, 05:43:14 amOkay then, let this be the topic for we could set up the pool. I only need 1 but i would like 10 of them(depending on the pooled cost per board) Hmm, perhaps we could use kickstarter as the broker for this to easily get these rulers for anyone.

author: rexxar
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 06:10:23 am
content: Quote from: IonizedGears on August 14, 2013, 05:53:06 amSounds a lot like me. "I really onlyneedone, but I sure would liketen"If they're reasonably priced, I'd definitely buy at least one.

author: IonizedGears
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 06:19:18 am
content: Quote from: rexxar on August 14, 2013, 06:10:23 amI meant i would get more than one if the boards were decently priced(and i just love having a bunch of the same thing).But now i have thought of a dilemma, how are we going to do this exactly? We could get a company directly involved because there is the problem of shipping the boards everywhere

author: kizzap
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 06:54:59 am
content: It wouldn't be too hard to get someone here to panelize a whole lot of the boards up, and get them made. problem is that I would expect that one ruler would cost somewhere in the range of $10.-kizzap

author: ttp
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 09:31:39 am
content: Anyone making it? I want a few.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 10:24:41 am
content: They cost about 70 cents in volume. Could be cheaper, but that's what I'm paying.Postage would be AU$2.60 from Oz to US if sent as a letter (which you technically aren't allowed to do, but it works)The problem is when you get hundreds of people who want one and you spend a couple of days stuffing envelopes.

author: IonizedGears
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 10:38:21 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 14, 2013, 10:24:41 amSweet, if you could sell them for a profit(for your troubles of having to send them out) + shipping, i would definitely buy around 5 rulers and i can only guess but i bet a good amount of other people would order as well

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 10:47:20 am
content: BTW, the new board has my ugly head on the back, and is 0.5mm instead of 0.8mm:

author: IonizedGears
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 10:56:27 am
content: I actually think the picture of your head is a nice touch as well as the OSH gear, the Flux "Condenser", and the platypus.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 10:56:46 am
content: What about get a hong kong company doing the shipment?

author: stevenhoneyman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 12:05:54 pm
content: I'd love to buy one of these (I'm in the UK)Just putting that here expressing my interest!

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 12:57:22 pm
content: I'd gladly pay a fulfillment company (is that the correct term) a bit extra if Dave would get a batch made for overseas sales.I'm not sure what they charge, or if there'd be enough interest. I wonder if Limor (adafruit) would be interested? I have to say, her company's shipping operation is a sight to see. (part of it can be seen each week on ask an engineer.)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 01:05:24 pm
content: Maybe I should run a real quick'n'dirty Pozible campaign and see how it all works?

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 02:05:57 pm
content: Good idea

author: Jon Chandler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 02:38:43 pm
content: PCBGeekwill take a Gerber file of the single board and supply as many as will fit on a 200 square inch panel for $99 including shipping to the US. Guessing the rulers are 1" wide, that yields about 28 boards resulting in a cost of about $3.50 per board.Assuming Dave wouldn't mind if somebody else made and sold the boards, somebody could have a lot fabricated and sell them at a reasonable cost with a small profit for the trouble.I have personally used PCBGeek in the past and received good quality boards from them.

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 02:43:47 pm
content: As Dave said, the problem is in the addressing and packaging and shipping. I suppose a reasonable person wouldn't mind paying what this is worth, but it's tedious work. That's why I suggested using a company that already is set up for this sort of thing, but I'm not sure if the quantities work out. Too few and it wouldn't be worth anyone's time. Too many, and some would be overwhelmed.I guess that's why Dave suggested a crowd funding option - we'd get a good idea of quantity so that an appropriate fulfillment method could be determined based on quantity.

author: IonizedGears
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 06:12:40 pm
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on August 14, 2013, 02:43:47 pmI thought about that but the problem was if you don't know how many people want one, you can't set the prices on the donation accurately if you are doing it by amount of orders

author: JJalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2013, 07:47:42 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 14, 2013, 01:05:24 pmDo it!BR Jonas

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 02:37:47 am
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on August 14, 2013, 02:43:47 pmPozible have told me that after the campaign I can download all the names and addresses in .CSV format. If so then it is easy to load into my label printer and print them off.Then it's just sticking labels, stuffing envelopes, and a stamp. The rulers would have to be just tossed lose in the envelops to save time.I can get pre-paid $2.60 stamps for international postage in bulk.This all sounds quite doable.BTW, the boards might be US$0.73 but cost about AU$1 ea when you include courier and the now shitty aussie exchange rate.How does AU$10 inc postage for two boards sound? That would make it worth my while I think.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 02:41:47 am
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on August 14, 2013, 02:43:47 pmThat's the great thing about all or nothing crowd sourcing. If set a target which makes it worth your while. If you don't reach it you don't bother with it.

author: Mike Warren
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 02:49:04 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 15, 2013, 02:37:47 amSounds quite reasonable to me.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 03:28:25 am
content: Ok, I've launched a pozible campaign, will take at least a day to get approved.2 for $10 or 5 for $15 inc postage.

author: Mike Warren
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 03:32:14 am
content: Got a link? Excuse my ignorance, but I have no idea how these campaigns work.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 04:16:14 am
content: Quote from: Mike Warren on August 15, 2013, 03:32:14 amI will, once it gets approved.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 04:20:58 am
content: Ok, it's approved and online:http://www.pozible.com/project/31806If it meets the goal, the boards get made.We'll see how it goes.

author: Mike Warren
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 04:28:39 am
content: Just so I'm clear, I would pledge $15 for the 5 ruler option, right?Edit:I should have read the whole page. As you were.

author: stevenhoneyman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 07:57:36 am
content: Fantastic! Done

author: kizzap
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 08:37:13 am
content: Wow, already 1/5th of the way there....-kizzap

author: JJalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 08:49:44 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 15, 2013, 04:20:58 amAs for the shipping. If I buy 5 for 15AUD + (some amount), only the 15AUD will be printet on the tax form right?BR Jonas

author: Strada916
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 11:08:46 am
content: ok made a pledge for 2, whats the +reward?? what does that mean? Sorry for my ignorance.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 11:47:13 am
content: Quote from: JJalling on August 15, 2013, 08:49:44 amThere is no tax form, it's a regular letter.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 11:50:44 am
content: Quote from: Strada916 on August 15, 2013, 11:08:46 amThe $10 is a "donation" so to speak, that's how crowd funded campaigns like this and Kickstarter and Indiegogo etc work.The 2 rulers are the "reward" you get for donating that $10.

author: JJalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 11:51:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 15, 2013, 11:47:13 amThanks Dave. I'll head over to pozible.com then.BR Jonas

author: deephaven
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 12:05:38 pm
content: Small typo on the Pozible page, Dave:"Rulers will be shippedlosein envelopes using regular"Should be "Rulers will be shippedloosein envelopes using regular"Otherwise people will think the rulers will be lost!

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 12:17:17 pm
content: Quote from: deephaven on August 15, 2013, 12:05:38 pmDave's a realist.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 12:19:30 pm
content: Pluss, eveybody nows enginers cannt spel.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 12:39:24 pm
content: Currently the #1 trending campaign on Pozible

author: KD0CAC John
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 12:47:30 pm
content: Thanks Dave , I have five coming

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 12:49:38 pm
content: Quote from: KD0CAC John on August 15, 2013, 12:47:30 pmYeah, why not, me too!

author: Chet T16
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 12:55:56 pm
content: 5 here also, for those times I need to measure lots of things at once

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 01:02:50 pm
content: If you do a video on it like for tshirt you will get a buttload of money!

author: kizzap
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 01:05:45 pm
content: Quote from: deephaven on August 15, 2013, 12:05:38 pmShall we get grammatical as well? First sentance:"Many people have ask for one of the EEVblog PCB µRulers that I gave away at the Electronex trade show last year."should be:"Many people have askEDfor one of the EEVblog PCB µRulers that I gave away at the Electronex trade show last year."but really, who cares. We are all getting Rulers!-kizzap

author: ju1ce
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 02:02:01 pm
content: Could Dave or IonizedGears update the first post to include the link to Pozible?

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 02:20:39 pm
content: Hope they get here by Christmas, I have just put myself down for five, I will use them as stocking fillers.

author: IonizedGears
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 02:42:53 pm
content: I ordered 5 rulers

author: IonizedGears
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 02:50:25 pm
content: I can't modify my first post to contain the link as I am on my phone and I can't figure out how to modify posts with tapatalk 4.

author: perfect_disturbance
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 03:13:08 pm
content: Holy crap. I hope you know someone you can hire to help you stuff envelopes. I bet you break your target in the next hour or two and you'll still have 6 days left.

author: envisionelec
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 03:18:41 pm
content: I noticed a possible error on the ruler. On the PCB clearance area, the >3km. Should it be >3kV?

author: Kempy
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 03:19:10 pm
content: Another 5 rulers on the way to the UK (I initially chose 2, but thought WTF - lets up it to 5)My bet is that it will be about 30 minutes until the $2500 is met

author: deephaven
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 03:25:34 pm
content: ...and another five to the UK

author: ChrisW
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 03:26:19 pm
content: 2 coming to Melbourne

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 03:55:30 pm
content: http://www.pozible.com/project/31806Was about $30 short to the target after my pledge.

author: perfect_disturbance
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 04:04:04 pm
content: Whoo hooo! I pushed it over the target

author: stevenhoneyman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 04:31:10 pm
content: And still 6 more days to go!"crikey mate, gonna need some more envelopes!"Congrats!

author: Kremmen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 04:51:07 pm
content: 5 coming this way. Now to think who to send the extra 3 that i don't really need myself.

author: DarkPrince
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 05:04:22 pm
content: Well that campaign went (and still is going) well. 13% over the objective and still several days to do. 2675 (535% of the required) rulers need to be made for 204 individuals. Yikes! Are there caps on the different rewards?

author: perfect_disturbance
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 05:41:33 pm
content: OK so it's been going for 12 hours and have about 150 hours left. That's 12.5 times left what's past.Currently at $2979If it keeps pace 2979 x 12.5 = 37237.5 dollars.Currently 77 people buying 2 rulers and 137 people buying 5 rulsers 77*2+137*5 = 839 rulers.If that keeps pace 839 * 12.5 = 10487.5 rulers,Currently 214 orders projects to 214 * 12.5 = 2675 ordersRight now it's 3:40 in the morning in Sydney I wonder what Dave is going to think when he wakes up in the morning.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 06:53:40 pm
content: Bad news for Dave, you will need a big area on the floor for the rulers, a trolley to move the envelopes and a big box of labels for the printer.. Possibly a few bandages to handle paper cuts from all the paper..........Good news is the PCB fab now is looking to have a good year.Yes I did do the 5 ruler option, seems to be the best for relieving Dave from RSI. The packing rulers video should be about 5 hours long in fast motion........... And a postie will have a hernia from moving the mail from the one posting box.

author: Legit-Design
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 07:04:09 pm
content: All this without much marketing, (just a suggestion) maybe a video to reach all the viewers?I know there are alot of people who just watch the videos and completely miss out the actual blog + forum.

author: ju1ce
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 07:31:58 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on August 15, 2013, 06:53:40 pmMaybe all this volume will help to push the PCB price down and hence increase Dave's cut.

author: IonizedGears
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 07:49:25 pm
content: I wonder why Dave didn't sell these before,

author: BurtyB
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 08:19:49 pm
content: Probably because he didn't want to send packages out to a few hundred people... oops.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 08:24:47 pm
content: They were swag boards, so only a free item. Now he has realised just how popular they are, and can turn a profit on them as well for giving them away. Well done Dave!

author: tanstaafl
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 09:10:51 pm
content: Just noticed that dave added a note about adding your postal address, pretty sure it never asked me to fill that in... just email/password and then pay by paypal

author: Legit-Design
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 09:12:13 pm
content: After that I got the form to fill my address. But you can add/modify that later into your profile.

author: tanstaafl
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 09:14:56 pm
content: Yup done that now! So it happened after you paid? you have to go back to pozible from paypal? I just closed my browser

author: Guppzor
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 10:20:40 pm
content: Quote from: envisionelec on August 15, 2013, 03:18:41 pmNope, km is correct. Higher altitude needs more spacing/separation for a given voltage.

author: kizzap
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 10:23:31 pm
content: well, less then 24 hours and the goal has already been SMASHED!!!Dave is going to be bogged down for a while putting rulers into envelopes.-kizzap

author: envisionelec
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 10:28:43 pm
content: Quote from: Guppzor on August 15, 2013, 10:20:40 pmI'm happy to be wrong!IEC 60664-1 references it! Thank you.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 11:01:30 pm
content: Quote from: Legit-Design on August 15, 2013, 07:04:09 pmYes there are. I get lots of complaints when I don't do a video and people miss stuff.312 envelopes isn't a huge deal so far I don't think, probably a days work?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 11:10:50 pm
content: Quote from: tanstaafl on August 15, 2013, 09:10:51 pmDamn, yeah, that's a big problem. It seems quite a few people have not filled in their address in Pozible.The problem is that I plan to extract the addresses from Pozible as CSV and them import direct into my label program.I don't even know if it's possible for me to get your paypal address, it depends if Pozible take the money and PayPal me in one big hit, or if I get all individual paypal payments.But even if I do it would be very messy and time consuming to exact the extra addresses out.

author: Legit-Design
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 11:13:32 pm
content: A video would easily solve this problem?Just to tell people there is this kind of thing available and why they should follow the instructions.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 11:37:10 pm
content: Ah, my Paypal account just got flooded with all the individual PayPal transactions!Pozzible then take out a separate 5% transaction fee separately for each one.So there are now 636 transactions in my account!I thought I wouldn't get paid until the campaign closes.For a $10 ruler order I get $9.36 (PayPal fee) - $0.50 (Pozible fee) = $8.86

author: kizzap
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2013, 11:59:16 pm
content: They must want to ensure that you can start filling out orders asap to keep people happy. Those fees seem a little steep but not at the same time...-kizzap

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 12:08:13 am
content: Quote from: kizzap on August 15, 2013, 11:59:16 pmWell, I can't order boards until I know how many total I'm getting. Well, I can, but it's cheaper to wait until I know.You can avoid Paypal by using Pozible's own credit card merchant system, but the fee is more than PayPal!I don't mind Pozible's 5%, I think it's pretty fair.Then I've got 30% tax on the profits of course

author: hedgewallace
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 12:41:04 am
content: These widgets look nice!<iframe frameborder="0" scrolling="no" src="http://www.pozible.com/widget/project/31806/3" width="484px" height="254px"></iframe>Why isn't it working?

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 12:53:11 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2013, 12:08:13 amI could see you (Dave) deciding either way - 1. Get a head start but pay more for boards, or 2. Get the best price by waiting until the end.My opinion is that a donator shouldn't expect any action until the end of the campaign - that is, I wouldn't fault Dave for waiting - that's the idea as expressed, up front. (To which everyone agreed.)

author: Mike Warren
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 01:16:42 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2013, 12:08:13 amDefinitely wait. Everyone knew at the start what date you would send the files for production.But it looks like you priced it too low.BTW, if you run short at the end, I'm happy to get less than the five I paid for. I only really want one.

author: envisionelec
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 01:20:36 am
content: That's why I sent you $20 for the $15 set: it's always "more expensive than you thought". No, I'm not tooting my horn - just letting you know that some might have donated more than required.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 01:25:03 am
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on August 16, 2013, 12:53:11 amOne problem is potentially import duty. Anything over $1000 may get hit. So it may pay me to do two smaller PCB orders.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 01:35:55 am
content: Quote from: envisionelec on August 16, 2013, 01:20:36 amThanks.It didn't occur to me that you could do that, but yes, that's possible to "donate" any value you like.

author: Mike Warren
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 01:39:30 am
content: Didn't occur to me either or I would have done just that.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 01:52:27 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2013, 12:08:13 amShhh!

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 02:06:47 am
content: Anyone know if you can up a donation? I previously did $10, but realized that for $5 more I could get 3 more rulers! =)Or, Dave, if I did another $5 pledge separate, could you reconcile them?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 02:10:17 am
content: Quote from: Stonent on August 16, 2013, 01:52:27 amI pay my fair share of tax, those who don't are part of "the problem".I used to declare most of my stuff as "hobby" income, because that's what it was. But now I'm a business, so everything is taxable income, including donations etc.

author: SArepairman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 02:17:04 am
content: You have to pay tax on small crap like that in australia?I try my hardest to avoid taxesI am not paying for m16's any more then I absolutely have to.

author: Guppzor
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 02:19:36 am
content: I don't know if someone else has posted this, but if you did not get a chance (or forgot) to add shipping details, you can add the details to your profile by clickingMy Stuff > Shipping Info. Hopefully that will carry over to already placed pledges...

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 02:25:02 am
content: Found it here:http://www.pozible.com/faq/index/2Contacted Dave through Pozible (not sure why they want that, or what he's supposed to do), and emailed Pozible. We shall see. =)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 02:32:08 am
content: Quote from: SArepairman on August 16, 2013, 02:17:04 amEvery dollar of income is taxable, that's how tax works.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 09:02:26 am
content: Maybe you should order all pcb in one order and ask the manufacturer to send you in two box if that may help with tax.

author: kizzap
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 09:47:12 am
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on August 16, 2013, 09:02:26 amAustralian Customs are smarter then that. If you are getting multiple shipments from one supplier in a short period of time they will flag it and chase you up on it for the duties that they will charge.-kizzap

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 10:23:07 am
content: Well here it work, but we're stupid

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 10:56:42 am
content: Quote from: SArepairman on August 16, 2013, 02:17:04 ambilion times small crap is billion dollar, that's millions of tax!Quote from: SArepairman on August 16, 2013, 02:17:04 amthat's the wrong way, try to make that much money that the tax didn't bother you anymore!

author: Tooms
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 11:35:01 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2013, 01:25:03 amwow you locky, 1000$ before import duty...Here in Denmark we have duty free up to 80dkr(around Au$ 15) and if we get over this then we pay around 30% in import tax and handle fee.But then again here in Denmark we are paying 50-55% in income tax.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2013, 11:46:10 am
content: Here's 45€

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2013, 05:56:20 am
content: If you feel like you have not given enough on the Pozible for the rulers, go donate here....http://www.eevblog.com/donations/And do another Paypal transaction. Did so right now.Edit: Exchange rates are pretty volatile, 10% difference in 2 transactions for the same US dollar amounts in a period of about 4 days.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2013, 06:14:43 am
content: So, there doesn't seem to be a way to increase a donation once the goal has been met. Pozible were a bit less than helpful on that (basically, it's up to Dave to reconcile the two donations).Dave, what say you?

author: envisionelec
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2013, 06:39:15 pm
content: Quote from: staze on August 17, 2013, 06:14:43 amI think you can just contribute to Dave's causehere

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2013, 08:46:35 pm
content: Quote from: envisionelec on August 17, 2013, 06:39:15 pmOh, I understand that, and that's not a problem. It was more changing from the $10 reward to the $15 reward (1.5x more reward for 1/3rd more money?)I'd just donate another $5, but Dave would need to see that donation before my first donation. =/

author: Dingo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 20, 2013, 06:54:22 am
content: Seems to work OK :-)

author: Tooms
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 20, 2013, 07:00:35 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 17, 2013, 06:13:01 amyes my tax is also paying for your MaryFree lego ??

author: Tooms
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 20, 2013, 07:05:11 am
content: Quote from: qiqiu on August 20, 2013, 06:58:59 amNo Dave will not set the value lower to avoid the tax and i support Dave in this, even that i have to pay $A15 for the rules and then pay $A 31 in import tax and fee.

author: Legit-Design
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2013, 09:07:44 am
content: Quote from: Tooms on August 20, 2013, 07:05:11 amCurrently he is saying he will post rulers inside normal letters, no need to fill out anything, just stick address label and maybe stamp and it's good to go. I doubt even the most strict customs will pick these up.

author: TimNJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2013, 10:40:23 pm
content: Wow nice going Dave! I wish I could make $25k in 3 or 4 days...

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2013, 11:16:17 pm
content: Quote from: TimNJ on August 20, 2013, 10:40:23 pmDon't forget the need to manufacture the rulers, package and send 2000+ letter. Then pay taxes on what's left (if any).

author: TimNJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2013, 11:34:23 pm
content: Yeah I was including manufacturing costs

author: kizzap
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 01:20:26 am
content: Quote from: TimNJ on August 20, 2013, 11:34:23 pmdave gets roughly $4 out of every $10, then pays upwards of 30% tax on it... all in all he will get roughly $7000 in the bank.-kizzap

author: Jope
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 01:30:49 pm
content: Quote from: TimNJ on August 20, 2013, 10:40:23 pmEasy: Just start an interesting videoblog about electronics (and additionally doing a weekly electronics podcast),and after more than four years you will be (or maybe not) at the same point as Dave: over 500 videos andthousands of regular viewers. It helps if you are enthusiastic and know what you are talking about.

author: JoeO
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 02:55:40 pm
content: Quote from: Jope on August 21, 2013, 01:30:49 pmDon't forget the rulers magically jump into the envelopes. The labels instantly appear right where they should be. The postage sticks itself right where it belongs. They all march down to the post office to be delivered and there will be no problems in delivery. All envelopes will get to where they need to go in a timely manner. None will get damaged in transit. There will be no follow up needed as everything will go as planned.Yuuup!, a real easy way to make a few bucks.

author: perfect_disturbance
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 03:13:17 pm
content: Obviously this isn't a major windfall at approximately $7000 and is the result of years hard work building an audience. However If I were in Daves shoes it seems like 7k for stuffing a bunch of envelopes would be a decent way to monitize all my hard work. And I would think I would take it as positive feedback on all my hard work.

author: TimNJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 03:57:02 pm
content: I wasn't complaining! haha. He deserves it!I guess I didn't factor in that shipping the rulers is probably going to cost ~$2-3 for international shipping. Plus ~$1 to manufacture. Plus whatever Posizble charges. Plus income taxes.Yeah my $25 grand number wasn't too accurate.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 05:31:06 pm
content: Costed it out today and the rate for stuffing the envelopes ( you supply the envelopes, inserts and the labels and stamps) is around $50 here per thousand. Will be a quick 2 day job per thousand for the one contract packager I know, he makes most of his business by being one of the few who will do loop stapling in small lots. The loops are bloody expensive, along with the special staplers that do with them. Works out to about $1 per flyer to do.

author: abbtech
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2013, 11:25:28 pm
content: Wow. The rulers were just flying off the shelf!Have you though of having them shipped from China? I bet you could have them packaged and shipped for less than the cost of Australian postage fees.

author: Orpheus
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2013, 12:00:11 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 17, 2013, 06:13:01 amHe's too good natured to tell you he's a Dane not a danish.Or, honoring your correct initial capitalization: a complete Dane, not just somewhat Danish.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2013, 06:31:18 am
content: Because of this project, Pozible have had to overhaul their address & shipping system.It highlighted a few issues they hadn't encountered before.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2013, 08:20:52 am
content: I think they need to give you a discount because of that.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2013, 11:35:31 am
content: I wonder if you will get a couple of thousand emails from Paypal...

author: dr_p
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2013, 06:47:48 am
content: I was undecided whether to buy some rulers or not, and now I regret not diving in.Anybody care to send one to Europe for a couple of bucks (Paypal)? Pretty please?

author: Hypernova
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 27, 2013, 09:32:30 am
content: Quote from: dr_p on August 27, 2013, 06:47:48 amDefine "couple"

author: dr_p
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2013, 11:34:02 am
content: Quote from: Hypernova on August 27, 2013, 09:32:30 amI don't know... 5$ seems fair

author: Jon Chandler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2013, 01:46:58 pm
content: Quote from: dr_p on August 27, 2013, 11:34:02 amFair to whom? If you had signed up in time, the rulers were 2 for $10 which was the smallest quantity option. So you think somebody should give you one at what it cost? The rare and impossible to buy rulers?

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2013, 05:43:20 pm
content: Email or PM Dave and he might add you to the list for a consideration.

author: va3nth
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 28, 2013, 09:33:53 pm
content: Received in perfect condition in Toronto, Ontario, Canada yesterday evening via Canada post.

author: Len
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2013, 10:06:29 pm
content: Quote from: Jon Chandler on August 27, 2013, 01:46:58 pmThe rulers that every purchaser got at least two of? I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of extras sold off cheap. (If anyone in Ottawa is desperate for one, let me know.)

author: Balaur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 28, 2013, 10:36:07 pm
content: Quote from: dr_p on August 27, 2013, 06:47:48 amDon't worry, I'll send you a free one.Trimite-mi adresa pe Private Message si cu un pic de noroc o sa ajunga repejor. Nu-mi trebuie nici un ban, of course.Multe salutari,Dan

author: Six_Shooter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2013, 11:15:28 pm
content: I wish I knew about this when it was running, I'd have grabbed at least 2, probably the 5, so I could give some to friends.Hopefully Dave runs another campaign in the future.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2013, 03:20:21 am
content: finally got mine in edmonton, canada.got here in perfect condition, not a scratch in the envelope.

author: centon1
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2013, 02:57:54 am
content: Remember the intent and commitment was to support Dave and the EEVBlog through the 'crowd funded' project, not to buy and sell product.The 'rulers' were a nicety.Well that's how I see it anyway.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2013, 03:00:36 am
content: Quote from: Six_Shooter on November 28, 2013, 11:15:28 pmIt would be interesting to know how many people would want these again (new design with more info on back).Impossible to know unless I actually run the campaign though.

author: centon1
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2013, 03:20:19 am
content: You must be a glutton for punishment.But if you considered it a success and you wish additional support then why not.I'd be in again.Cheers.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2013, 03:21:20 am
content: I missed the first go around. I would not miss out on a 2nd go around.Tom, NW0LF

author: staxquad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2013, 04:00:08 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 02, 2013, 03:00:36 amshould be a whole heap of EEVblog rulers on Ebay soon with that announcement, everybody will want the new improved version

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2013, 06:38:08 am
content: Quote from: centon1 on December 02, 2013, 03:20:19 amYep, but that's the advantage of taking your punishment up front, it gets easier, right? Surely all the hard stuff has been sorted out now? So I know what mistakes to avoid and the correct way to do things now.So in theory I should be able to similar stuff (more rulers, blank PCB's, DaveCAD pads or whatever) without much hassle.QuoteIt was never meant be a "success", it was just meant to be a quick easy one-off thing to keep a few people happy.But I now realise it's maybe another way I can potentially raise some revenue whilst offering something tangible people want.

author: centon1
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 03, 2013, 12:26:46 am
content: If you're looking for input, I really like the 'DaveCAD' or 'DaveCAD Pro' pad idea.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 03, 2013, 12:32:09 am
content: Quote from: centon1 on December 03, 2013, 12:26:46 amTwo problems:1) it's pretty lame, just a post-it note pad with DaveCAD printed on it.2) Paper weighs a lot. You can only fit one small square pad in the 50g $2.60 letter postage limit.

author: Napalm2002
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2013, 02:05:41 am
content: I would really like for us to get a Lego dmm made that would be totally cool. I am totally up for some other fundraising this like the rulers. Whatever you make Dave, I would buy a few....

author: Zad
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2013, 04:25:23 am
content: If you do go for another crowd funded run, how about an option for 100 or 1000 rulers, for people who run businesses overseas and want to resell them? Limit them to a relatively low number of buyers and they could probably be sent directly from the PCB manufacturer, saving considerably on your postage and handling costs.

author: dr_p
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2013, 07:49:19 am
content: if one wants 1000 pcs they can have them done themselves for a decent price, the gerbers are available. The problem was with regular people that just needed 1-2 pcs.