Audiophool: £2,000.00 BNC cable - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 02, 2019, 11:15:26 pm
content: £2,000 BNC cableQuotehttps://shunyata-uk.com/product/digital-cables/sigma-clock-50/

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2019, 11:54:05 pm
content: https://www.monoandstereo.com/2018/03/shunyata-research-transverse-axial.htmlIs that a magnetic in there with a coil over it?QuoteTrying to associate vision with audio.I see their "research:https://shunyata.com/technology-guide/I can hear just fine I don't want my audio polarised thank you very much.Here's a joke:A cable marketed for people with bipolar.Helps them see and hear better to bring them out of their manic mood.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 12:03:34 am
content: Container filled with exclusive 100% snake oil.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 01:35:00 am
content: I bet that the impedance of this abomination is so bad it would actually cause real SWR issues and malfuntions in sensative equipment. Especually if that stupid load-coil thing is actually connected.EDIT: Does the manual instruct to use excess SWR grease?

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 01:42:58 am
content: Has anybody ever put these cables to the test on a real network analyzer?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 02:17:24 am
content: Quote from: cdev on January 03, 2019, 01:42:58 amAnyone with a network analyser is not dumb enough to buy one

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 07:30:02 am
content: QuoteIf it's patent-pending then the details of how it works (and what it is) will be available for public viewing. I'm pretty sure that here in the UK it's a very naughty thing indeed to do to say something is patented, or patent-pending, when it isn't. Don't know about less civilised places.Edit: citation supplied:Unauthorised patent claims

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 07:44:23 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on January 03, 2019, 07:30:02 amDoubt it, probably just another mom & pop brick & mortar audio shop, that had been milking audiogoons for decades, and may be this creation is from their successor.This scenes are so common and happened almost every big cities in this world.

author: Jay_Diddy_B
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 10:18:30 am
content: Hi Group,The patent is probably real, and may have been granted.https://patents.justia.com/inventor/caelin-gabrielFrom the Shunyata Research website:Link:https://shunyata-uk.com/about-us/Caelin Gabriel is a former US military research scientist with a background in the research and design of ultra-sensitive data-acquisition systems. These systems were designed to detect extremely low-level signals otherwise obscured by random noise, requiring years of intensive research into the sources and effects of signal and power-line noise interference. Gabriel’s subsequent work experience involved development of high-speed networking devices including the 1GB/s fibre-channel interface and the present 100MB/s and 1GB/s ethernet devices. These unique work-related experiences were at the highest levels of government and computer science. This extensive design background led Gabriel to develop the fundamental design concepts for the patented technologies, measurements and custom-designed parts that form the cornerstone of the Shunyata product range. Gabriel holds more than 7 patents, with numerous additional patents-pending. These technical innovations have earned Gabriel’s product designs professional endorsements from the world’s finest recording studios and more recently, from heart surgeons and hospitals across the United States. Gabriel continues to advance his development of new technologies, part design, and construction, keeping Shunyata Research at the forefront of its field.From the Patent Application (Application #20180183227)Link:https://patents.justia.com/patent/20180183227BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTIONField of the InventionThe present invention relates most generally to audio sound systems and devices that improve the performance of cables used for audio and video production or reproduction. The invention is more particularly directed to a device improves the performance of audio interconnects, speaker cables, video cables, and digital audio cables used to interconnect consumer and professional electronic components.Background DiscussionIt is well known that cables interconnecting audio systems can have a significant effect upon the perceived sonic performance of a system. There are many cables that are claimed to improve the sonic performance through the use of higher purity copper conductors, lower dielectric coefficient insulation, complex braided geometries, superior types of connectors, and even charged shielding to reduce dielectric absorption.The physics of electromagnetic signal propagation through an insulated conductor is well known. The conductor for a signal cable provides a current path for an alternating current signal. The associated electromagnetic wave propagates not only through the conductor but also outside the boundaries of the electrical conductor itself. This EM field travels axially along the path of the signal wire. It is also well-known to physicists that that the EM field that surrounds the signal wire can affect nearby electrical conductors and circuitry through the principles of induction and capacitive coupling. Further, it is understood that electromagnetic fields from other conductors and electronic components external to the signal wire can affect the signal traveling through the wire.You can find the full patent here:Link:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20180183227.pdfIt basically describes adding between 4 and 28 washers on the wire:So if you want to work around this patent just use 29 washers.29 washers should have a similar effect upon the perceived sonic performance of a system.There are other gems such as:Cable elevatorAug 22, 2008A cable support apparatus for suspending audio and/or video system cables above the floor. The device is configured as a sandwich of at least three layers of electrically conductive foam, including first and second outer layers fabricated from a low density electrically conductive foam, and an inner layer disposed between said first and second outer layers and fabricated from a foam having a higher density and greater rigidity than the foam of said first and second layers. The inner layer includes a V-shaped crotch for supporting a cable with minimal surface contact. The cable support minimizes floor vibrations transmitted to the cable, breaks up resonant vibration modes within the cable support itself, and neutralizes static-electrical charge differentials between the cable and the floor.This is a block of antistatic foam:I can't find these for sale.Other patents include:Drift current coulombic storage apparatusBut, I don't want to take this thread off topicRegards,Jay_Diddy_B

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 10:39:22 am
content: Cool! Thanks for turning those up. Seems to be a fair amount of money involved, especially if they all get accepted.

author: Jay_Diddy_B
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 11:05:20 am
content: Hi group,Here is another 'gem' from the same company, the $425.00 USD, extension cord:I left the 'need help?', if you buy a $425.00 extension cord, this question is redundant, you NEED help.Whenever I see these special power cables, I always wonder about all the wiring in the wall. Is there an untapped market for special wiring in the wall?Regards,Jay_Diddy_B

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 11:08:55 am
content: 28 washers on the wire in a see through plastic cover for $2,000 using standard bnc coax connectors.I'll be waiting to see when they start with a beeswax variant.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 02:50:02 pm
content: Why are thereso manyof these audiophool companies ?Seems to me like the audiophool subculture would be a good candidate for some research to be done on them and it. The prices and ridiculous arguments made in the products just keep getting more and more sketchy (same as dodgy) and outrageous.Why now?Edit: removed speculation there were more of this kind of company in one country when it was pointed out that didn't apply to this case and also was wrong.

author: Jay_Diddy_B
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 04:09:30 pm
content: Quote from: cdev on January 03, 2019, 02:50:02 pmShunyata Research is a USA based company.Shunyata UK is a distributor in the UK, The Shunyata Distribution Company Ltd.A lot of HiFi comes from the UK because of pioneering work done in conjunction with the BBC. This was great engineering, not 'dodgy technology'.Jay_Diddy_B

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 05:45:47 pm
content: Oh, but they also sell an RCA cable with the same "technology" for twice as much:https://shunyata-uk.com/product/analog-cables/sigma-rca/

author: Jay_Diddy_B
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 05:53:40 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 03, 2019, 05:45:47 pmFrom the website:£4,000.00Sigma Series cables showcase technological innovation and design execution that simply does not exist elsewhere — at any price. Sigma Series cables combine meaningful parts innovations with objective measurement and an artisan’s eye for construction quality. Unlike many cost-no-object cable products that have little in the way of discernible science, Sigma Series products incorporate an array of definable technologies that sets the standard for quality and performance in the cable industry.Price is per pair of interconnect cables.Standard length of each cable is 1 metre.Please contact us for custom lengths.All prices include VAT.The RCA cables are sold in pairs, so the price per cable is the same.£4,000.00 for one cable would be unreasonable, apparently £2,000.00 is okay!!Regards,Jay_Diddy_B

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 06:08:30 pm
content: Quote from: Jay_Diddy_B on January 03, 2019, 05:53:40 pmOh, damn. This all makes sense now.£2000 is the price per meter of TAP cable.Note that they seem to justify the nonsense for their Sigma cable for high-speed digital signals based on transmission line properties, yet they use the same approach for cables that are labeled as "analog cables". Would be interesting to understand the line of reasoning.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 06:51:44 pm
content: Quote from: Jay_Diddy_B on January 03, 2019, 10:18:30 amWhile it's a real patentapplication, nothing has been granted so far. The patent examiner issued a "non-final rejection" last year, because -- surprise! -- the claimed invention is not deemed to be new. (The whole patent examination file gets published, starting 18 months after the patent filing. Available online here:https://portal.uspto.gov/pair/PublicPair.)In the examiner's opinion, the claimed features of the "polarizer" are the same at what was described by a third party ealier, for a different purpose:https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130112477A1/en?oq=20130112477That invention looks more legit, and aims to supress higher transverse modes in a coaxial conductor.But that story is not over yet; the applicant could still reply to the office action and keep trying to obtain a patent. I am not sure whether patent examiners would get into the "this just doesn't make physical sense" argument at all?

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 07:08:07 pm
content: I've heard that there is a real shortage of appropriately skilled patent examiners globally.It requires a wider scope of knowledge than most professions.

author: Jay_Diddy_B
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 07:22:15 pm
content: Hi,Thank you to eblaster for being more diligent than I was.The Spinner application looks more professional, and is at microwave frequencies.The patent office doesn't judge whether an idea is sound engineering or not. They are just determining whether it is new or novel.Regards,Jay_Diddy_B

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 08:41:25 pm
content: Quote from: Jay_Diddy_B on January 03, 2019, 07:22:15 pmYes, that's what I thought. It might actually be easier to obtain a patent on something that just doesn't work: The more absurd it is, the more "inventive" -- i.e. "one skilled in the art" would never have thought of it...

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2019, 09:06:41 pm
content: Yes. Patents are not scientific publications. They are just meant to protect a form of intellectual property. Such property can include ideas that are unpractical, stupid, or dangerous.Just for fun:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/crazy.html

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2019, 12:27:59 am
content: Here's a joke:Is it me or am I reading words that are not there.https://shunyata-uk.com/product/analog-cables/sigma-rca/QuoteI don't remember coming across this amount of BS claims before in such a short paragraph:QuoteDoes not exist anywhere.Of course it does in their heads and there seem to be many of them about.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2019, 01:05:37 am
content: Quote from: Jay_Diddy_B on January 03, 2019, 07:22:15 pmHowever, The USPTO does reputedly require a functional model of any proposed "perpetual motion" device/scheme/machine.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2019, 10:07:38 am
content: I'm reporting these fuckers to trading standards:http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/regulation/5/made

author: Matty272
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2019, 06:49:04 pm
content: Quote from: cdev on January 03, 2019, 02:50:02 pmBecause the profit margins are so large, perhaps?Forgive me for missing if your question was entirely facetious

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2019, 08:37:08 pm
content: This is not the main cause IMO. The main reason companies in general are founded is not because there are potentially large margins, otherwise there wouldn't be many companies created at all... (don't have the figures at hand but companies with say margins >= 80% are a pretty small percentage of all companies).The main reason is that there are potential customers.One thing to consider though is that at least, these audiophool products are usually of good build quality. Of course they are mostly bullshit when it comes to what the company claims and are grossly overpriced, but they are still quality products. I'm sure these cables for instance are made to last. Customers willing to shell out large amounts of money are often a pain to deal with - so if any of the products you sell have early failures and/or you have bad customer service, you won't last for very long.In other words and as I personally see it, the "audiophool industry" is mostly a way some clever businessmen have found to make a business in audio very profitable while just selling basic quality products. As the hi-fi demand has declined overall (as I remember we have discussed in another thread), audio companies now have to find ways to sell some people what would have been called "hi-fi" a few decades ago, adding the phool factor to convince them. The reason IMO being that a large majority of people now can't make a difference between a quality audio product and a cheap MP3 player, and don't even care. So the "hi-fi" factor is not enough anymore to attract them. I guess you now have to resort to black magic arguments to convince them and get some market share.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 06, 2019, 11:03:13 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 06, 2019, 08:37:08 pmThat's not true at all. Usually build quality is dubious and not certified for safety and EMC.

author: GregDunn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2019, 01:09:40 am
content: I have examined some overpriced cables which didn't even have a solid mechanical join between the wire and the connector; betting on high quality construction can be hit-or-miss.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2019, 11:29:29 am
content: Quote from: Jay_Diddy_B on January 03, 2019, 10:18:30 amI wonder if this is the kind of stuff that Einstein used to pour over.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2019, 04:51:25 am
content: Money laundering.

author: pylo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2019, 05:05:00 pm
content: QuoteBesides all the marketing BS, I also like the fact that whoever falls for this non-sense will pay much more than the advertised £2,000. After all, once you need a 50ohm coax cable for audio, you often need more than just 1m.£10,000 for 5-meters anybody? Or maybe sales will give you a 30% discount and you'll feel extremely lucky to only pay £7,000.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2019, 06:15:53 pm
content: Quote from: pylo on January 09, 2019, 05:05:00 pmI could make one of those myself.Just buy or use some bog standard 50 ohm cable, mesh braiding, washers, heat shrink, I got the tools and put them on myself.Spacing the washes and keeping them in place might be a bit tricky and I would have find some round see throught cover and glue them and then thread it through the cable.I was thinking about that ridiculous paragraph.QuoteDesign execution with their technical terminologies to attract audiophools.QuoteNot in the normal shops I got to for the least.Oh I have seen them on Ebay and Amazon.QuoteAny normal sane person won't buy it any price.Quotethat appeals to the audiophool.QuoteKnowing how far they can stretch the terminology and bs to attract as many fools as they can through the trendy, pretty, fancy wording and pictures.QuoteUsing bog standard coax connectors, mesh braiding, a bit of heat shrinking, washers and a see through cover.QuoteI guess the object here is the audiophool and the science behind it is the brainwashing that goes into as the audiopools who buy these things spare no expense believing the claims and terminology.QuoteAn array of marketing bs and terminology to encourage more to the flourishing industry of these scams and to attract all the other fools out there.

author: Synthtech
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2019, 07:09:37 pm
content: All of those poor, ignorant recording studios like Abbey Road and Westlake have been putting out sub-standard audio recordings for all these years because they aren’t using this cutting edge tech in their facilities when they make the recordings in the first place. Imagine how much better everything would sound if those studios would only invest half a billion dollars each to upgrade every piece of wiring throughout their facilities with proper audiophile cabling!

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2019, 10:12:44 pm
content: Quote from: Synthtech on January 09, 2019, 07:09:37 pmI like that.Playing the Phool.

author: BenonymousII
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 10, 2019, 04:58:01 am
content: From the same phools"The most significant advance applied to the DF-SS is the wide band cable suspension bridge, designed to support any cable, power or signal, while dissipating vibrational energy through the purposefully tensioned polymer band. The second innovation is the energy-absorbing granular compound that fills the base of the DF-SS. This compound formulation absorbs floor borne energy that would otherwise couple to the cable, causing signal degradation. These combined technologies define the DF-SS as the most technically advanced cable suspension system on the market.To prove the DF-SS efficacy, Shunyata will be publishing Accelerometer test results with the DF-SS, indicating the level of isolation they provide from floor borne vibration, common to all sound system environments."https://shunyata-uk.com/product/accessories/df-ss-cable-elevator/

author: Deodand2014
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2019, 07:28:23 am
content: Quote from: BenonymousII on January 10, 2019, 04:58:01 amSo the base is filled with sand, I hope they're not using Monazite sands, the radiation will denature the cables...

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2019, 07:57:48 am
content: What the fuck?

author: Deodand2014
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2019, 03:22:14 pm
content: I think this video by someone who seems to specialize in reviewing Knives and Watches says it all...

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2019, 08:07:48 pm
content: QuoteHis video would be 20,000 times better if he had an accident with those knives and chopped his hands off. I stuck it out for 14 seconds before preferring to remain unenlightened.

author: pylo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 11:03:21 am
content: Quote from: BenonymousII on January 10, 2019, 04:58:01 amWow these people piss me off to an extent I cannot even bring to words. Shunyata and the like are just professional con-artists and they should be criminally charged for what they are doing.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 11:43:17 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on January 10, 2019, 08:07:48 pmKind of annoying but there's no content other than his hands and the coiled up cables so play the video and flick to another browser tab

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 01:00:19 pm
content: I have a stack of those cables (minus the wank) sitting in a box. They've had plenty of "burn-in" time in the back of a Sky News OB van. Hmmm....

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 07:01:01 pm
content: Quote from: BenonymousII on January 10, 2019, 04:58:01 amThe BS in there is even worse than the other one."The most significant advance applied to the DF-SS is the wide band cable suspension bridge, designed to support any cable, power or signal, while dissipating vibrational energy through the purposefully tensioned polymer band. The second innovation is the energy-absorbing granular compoundthat fills the base of the DF-SS. This compound formulation absorbs floor borne energythat would otherwise couple to the cable, causing signal degradation. These combined technologies define the DF-SS as the most technically advanced cable suspension systemon the market.To prove the DF-SS efficacy, Shunyata will be publishing Accelerometer test results with the DF-SSindicating the level of isolation they providefrom floor borne vibration,common to all sound system environments."Haven't they ever heard of fibre cables?I can't find any fibre cables on their site.Here's a joke:– Static-Neutralizing PolymerYes dark field suspension system all plastic with NO GROUND.– Vibration Absorbing Compound (internally)Made of what, magic?– Polymer Cable Suspension BridgeWhere the cables can fall off like in the picture or it snaps.– Vibration Absorbing Feet for hard surfacesAnd thick rubber sound insulation or evem thick underlay isn't as good.– Patented designThey must be very proud of themselves as nobody would want to copy it anyway.– Wide Foundation (won’t tip or fall)where you'd trip over it.– Unequaled Shunyata Build QualityThey did a bad job trying to make it look like a couple of pyramids.APPLICATIONSCan be used to support speaker cables or power cables. Elevates them off the floor.So can some soft rubber cables and a bit of trunking without the trip hazard.Oh look they're selling USB 2 cables 1.5m for £2000 with that washer thing on it:https://shunyata-uk.com/product/digital-cables/sigma-usb/QuoteI have yet to see one, two to three times the price of that.Universal praise From whom?The phools of themselves?Compared it how?They possibly mean that because it looks good from the picture it gets universally praised on comparisons.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 08:17:55 pm
content: QuoteWhat's the point of the video then? If he can't be arsed to type in text content I can't be arsed to waste my time listening to him.It's a bad trend. The tendency now is to run off a 1 hour video when a couple of pages of text would be MUCH better. I can skim text, search it easily, etc. With video it's basically saying "Your attention is all mine until the end. Every time." Sod that.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 08:39:08 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on January 11, 2019, 08:17:55 pmFair enough, don't watch it then. There's not much/anything in it that we don't know but he has pretty much the same bee in his bonnet about audiophool cables that we do.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2019, 10:58:12 pm
content: I saw the video.Quote from: Deodand2014 on January 10, 2019, 03:22:14 pm"by trying to sell them super like stupidly expensive cables...""They also sell stupid cables too. They sell you know these super high end you know with all these fancy boxes and shielding and cables that are this freaking thick they connect to dvd play to your dv..."blind testing:"That is a way where you test scientifically whether there is a difference here. Nobody freaking does this with speaker cables because the speaker cable companies hate it because it shows that there is no freaking difference here...""There is however dumber depths that they have probed. They sell expensive power cables... The miles and miles of cable in your household to your expensive cable to the power plant that's not expensive either so that's not helping you either."Take a look a this:SIGMA NR UK £3300 for 1.75metrehttps://shunyata-uk.com/product/power-cables/sigma-nr-uk/Wire:OFE 6 gauge, VTX™ geometry.Now THAT'S a special kind of stupid.Forget about every other one of their claims. It is so big it's ridiculous. I could see it pulling against and causing damage to the sockets and the appliance with it so big and dangling out there and those pins and the connector so tiny compared to the cable.That has got to be one of the worst out there for audiophoolery.No mains cable needs to be that big for much less than a 13a load.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2019, 07:13:19 am
content: Thanks for the precis, MrNobodies

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2019, 08:15:03 pm
content: NEC in the US says a #6 wire can safely carry 55 to 75 amps, depending on the temperature rating. The worst, 60C rated wire can do 55 amps. So what exactly are these morons trying to claim this way oversized wiring is doing for you? Reducing the voltage drop? Like the many feet of #12 or #14 from the outlet back to the breaker doesn't have more effect than the short wire from the outlet to the equipment. I almost feel sorry for the idiots who fall for this crap. ALMOST.Oh wait, 3 wires bundled in a cable longer than 24 inches must be derated to 80%. So that's STILL 44 amps. Still ridiculous. Still does absolutely nothing.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2019, 04:43:32 pm
content: I found a video of one of their plugs from their Youtube channel:

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2019, 04:49:57 pm
content: It disappoints me that comments are disabledCheck this bollocks out:

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2019, 09:58:18 pm
content: I see they shun comments and ratings.I was looking at their videos and comparing the ratings and views as the CopperConn video had the ratings turned onThey turned the ratings off to start with on their first couple of videos and maybe forgot to turn them off for a while up until 2015.ShunYaTa Research videosThe Inside StoryPublished on 21 Mar 20125,519 viewsRatings disabledPhilosophy, People & ProductsPublished on 21 Mar 201213,191 viewsRatings disabledΞTRON® DemonstrationPublished on 21 Mar 201213,648 viewsRatings disabledShunyata Research: TYPHON Electrical CharacteristicsPublished on 24 Jan 20142,597 viewsup: 8Down: 7Custom Parts MaterialsPublished on 30 Jul 20144,589 viewsup: 19Down: 6STIS Interchangeable TerminalsPublished on 30 Jul 20142,204 viewsup: 8down: 2Hubbell SR-Z1 OutletsPublished on 30 Jul 20145,517 viewsup: 18down: 6DTCD™ ConceptPublished on 30 Jul 20143,952 viewsup: 21down: 5DPC-6 Noise TestPublished on 30 Jul 20145,878 viewsup: 19Down: 7CopperCONN™ ConnectorsPublished on 30 Jul 20143,741 viewsup: 13Down: 9Shunyata Research IntroductionPublished on 30 Jul 20144,702 viewsup: 8Down: 2HYDRA DPC-6Published on 1 Aug 20143,607 viewsup: 8Down: 4CCI™ ConceptPublished on 11 Aug 20144,267 viewsup: 10Down: 5Reducing Noise Levels in Electrophysiology Medical ProceduresPublished on 4 Dec 20154,143 viewsRatings disabledDENALI Series - Controlling VibrationPublished on 22 Aug 20163,708 viewsRatings disabledDENALI Series - Design and TechnologyPublished on 22 Aug 20163,874 viewsRatings disabledDTCD and ASCC DemonstrationPublished on 22 Aug 20163,960 viewsRatings disabledDENALI Series - Noise Reduction DemonstrationPublished on 23 Aug 20166,846 viewsRatings disabledDENALI Series Power Conditioner IntroductionPublished on 23 Aug 20164,611 viewsRatings disabledReducing Noise Levels in Electrophysiology Medical ProceduresPublished on 16 Nov 2016496 viewsRatings disabledEntech Versus Alpha Labs Noise DetectorsPublished on 27 Mar 2018313 viewsRatings disabled

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2019, 10:55:41 am
content: From my local audio store:

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2019, 11:22:50 am
content: Richer Sounds?When I used to buy HiFi kit in there years ago we'd take up three hours to buy a cheap amp and then scam them out of some free cable

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2019, 11:27:43 am
content: Really curious if do a blind test on these goons with aluminium cable vs the full copper one.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2019, 11:32:08 am
content: £16.50 for 50M of cable is a pretty good deal, I'd buy that and just ignore the audiophool bollocks

author: exe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 17, 2019, 04:29:14 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on January 17, 2019, 11:32:08 amI don't see polarity marking on it (unless it's on the other side). Anyway, before buying I'd check gauge.Rumors say there are Chinese cables made of non-copper metal, but coated with thin copper layer. I'd stay away from them.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2019, 05:12:25 pm
content: That whole hi-end audio is a lost battle. No matter what you buy as equipment it is never going to be as good as the real thing.Real audio purists just hire the artist to play live for them, preferably renting places like Sydney opera hall as a venue, but not before flooding the place with using imported air from the Swiss Alps. Oh, and don't forget to clean your ears using hand picked cotton wound around a mahogany stick dipped in Fijian spring water.

author: benbradley
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 20, 2019, 07:12:39 pm
content: AKDL1It's the classic - I've not seen anyone top it - it's the only such thing (obvious audiophoolery) I've seen by a "real" brand name (Denon), so I suppose it was more trolling than anything else. It has hundreds of positive and amazing (as in completely over-the-top) reviews on Amazon, including at least one by a former starship officer. It was a bargain for audiophool cables at only $500.It's interesting that the first google hit is a "Bulk Power Cord Wire" manufacturer - at least someone knows how to do SEO "right."Unfortunately, the infamous Amazon page for it is gone (it came out over 10 years ago), but surely all those reviews are saved in archive.org or somewhere on the web.

author: taydin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 20, 2019, 09:16:35 pm
content: Quote from: cdev on January 03, 2019, 02:50:02 pmThere is A LOT OF research being done in that area. Shuntayo is one of those researchersThey are reserching ways to rob people thousands of dollars and have the victim thank them and shake their hands afterwards. If that's not cutting edge research and skill, then I don't know what is

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 21, 2019, 04:32:41 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on January 03, 2019, 12:03:34 amJust the thing for my Mono Pole Subminiture Flux Capacitor.However, It's taken me nearly thirty years and my entire family fortune.So £2,000 is totally out of the question.

author: benbradley
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2019, 03:08:22 am
content: Quote from: benbradley on January 20, 2019, 07:12:39 pmHere we go, saved on the UK site. Fortunately, most commenters just went along with the game and make HUGELY over-the-top descriptions of this cable:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Discontinued-Manufacturer-Blue/dp/B000I1X6PM

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2019, 03:26:17 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 30, 2019, 03:50:40 amThere is no craftmanship in that crap. Most of those are worse than good non BS cable, at least from mechanical perspective. And many of them are worse than decent cheap cable.

author: Domagoj T
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2019, 06:33:30 pm
content: Quote from: exe on January 17, 2019, 04:29:14 pmThat's not rumor. I accidentally bought some of that crap. It copper clad aluminium. There is just enough copper to give it some colour and for the solder to stick to, but only once. It's uncanny. The wire once tinned will no longer be solderable.I still have some of it and use it for non critical stuff.But you know what the funny part is? I bought it as audio cable.

author: Canuck787
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 01:52:36 pm
content: Quote from: Jay_Diddy_B on January 03, 2019, 05:53:40 pmHilarious.Why do people fall for this stuff?

author: exe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 03:27:48 pm
content: Quote from: Canuck787 on March 04, 2021, 01:52:36 pmTheir customers don't have knowledge that we have. My music teacher asked me my opinion if hand-wired guitar amplifiers are any better than mass-produced amp assembled on PCBs. And that's good, he has critical thinking and didn't fall into "it's more expensive, it must be better" or "hand-made electronics should better, like custom-shop guitar vs stock guitar".This makes me thinking where are gaps in my knowledge. It's impossible to be an expert in everything.

author: Bicurico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 03:48:09 pm
content: While I agree that there is much "audiophoolery" going on, I would not be so generically dismissive.I am not an easy person to impress or convince. But I have had the privilege to audition top of the top audio equipment in setups that were fully planned up to the decoration of the specifically designated room.It was generally an overwhelming experience to listen to music tracks I was already familiar with and which had been recorded to high standards (Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon or Arne Domnerus - Jazz At The Pawnshop). The sound quality was brilliant to my fairly trained ears.My comments are:1) There is a high standard of audio equipment, which is not met by any modern consumer product of the iPod, iPhone, Bose, Beats Pill, etc.) These consumer products may be clever for internet based streaming of highly compressed music and Bluetooth, etc., but their sound quality is poor. You don't need to have special hearing or audio training to immediatly understand the difference. A simple test hooking a good CD vs. an iPhone to a propper amplifier and speakers is more than enough.2) You can get pertty good and amazing audio buy buying some vintage amplifier and speaker from the 70ies, 80ies and to some extend 90ies. With 200-300 Euro you can purchase a amazing second hand setup. But if you want to go the extra step, if you have an extra room and the money, hell yes, you can go much better. It will cost 4 ot 5 figures, though.3) Once you spent 10.000 Euro or 100.000 Euro in a dream audio setup, you might as well decorate the room properly and why not buy some good quality AND GOOD LOOKING CABLES?It's basically the same as buying designer Nike shoes for thousands of US$, when you can buy a similar model for 100 US$.Or why buy a 1000 Euro premium smartphone if you can buy a Xiaomi smartphone pretty much as good for 200 Euro?What sense does it make to buy a 5000 Euro valve amplifier and connect it to 8000 Euro speakers with a 20 Euro cable?The logic is sometimes not the best way to reason...Regards,Vitor

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 04:00:48 pm
content: Quote from: Canuck787 on March 04, 2021, 01:52:36 pmAnd why do people post a comment two years later?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 07:10:13 pm
content: Quote from: Bicurico on March 04, 2021, 03:48:09 pmI agree with most of your points here, and the 3/ is what I also keep saying. This is just like any other luxury business.If people were only looking for pure utility, luxury wouldn't sell a single product.Now what many engineers hate with all this are the technical lies that are used to sell. As engineers, we want to tell the whole world when we see claims that are blatantly idiotic.As to you 1/, I also agree. Debunking technical lies is good, but unfortunately all this audiophoolery debunking trend tends to make people believe any cheap crap is going to be as good as decent high-end audio device. This just isn't true, and expectations from many people have sunk rather low as we keep feeding them lossy compressed crap in cheap earphones and atrocious speakers. So there's bound to be a reasonable middle ground there.