Debunking the Round Earth Hypothesis - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 03:29:01 am
content: We are everywhere.Some people have been brainwashed - if you examine it in an unbiased manner, you see the only way out is in.There is no reason for using cars, liquor,tobacco or TV. There is nowhere to go.

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 03:56:42 am
content: OK, forget watching that whole thing, I will likely break my new laptop if I have to listen to any more of that utter BS.Water can't form a sphere? Plenty of experiments in zero-g prove it can. Heck I can make water curve with static electricity! Can't go beyond low Earth orbit? Oh, so the moon actually orbits really close to the Earth? Explain the radio transmission delay. Oh yeah, these same morons also think we didn't land on the moon. Go ahead and take that one up with Buzz Aldrin, but if he lays you out with a single punch for calling him a liar, don't blame me.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 04:33:40 am
content: I have watched the whole video. I barely have enough brain cells left now to write this post. Please only watch the video if you want to see how absolutely idiotic people can be. That people can believe this BS shows how stupid the human race really is on the whole. I am surprised we still exist.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 04:37:01 am
content: cdev, I really don't understand the point of this thread. We all know it's bullshit, there is no reason to give it any more air time than it already gets.Quote from: cdev on December 25, 2017, 03:29:01 amHow can you possibly watch this crap with an unbiased view? It would basically mean forgetting science, mathematics and fundamental knowledge most of us learned in primary school.

author: SMB784
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 04:48:38 am
content: Clearly this is a joke. Nobody who posts on these forums is dumb enough to actually believe this garbage.

author: hermit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 06:12:27 am
content: It was just plain so flat out bad and boring I didn't get far. Oh, and disks are round.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 06:25:53 am
content: Quote from: SMB784 on December 25, 2017, 04:48:38 amUnfortunately this is not necessarily a joke. People can hold completely opposite models o reality on their heads at the same time. Some people actually believe that evolution is not real, that the universe is only 6000 years old, all the governments on the Earth are hiding UFOs, and that crystals on strings can diagnose cancer. Don't believe, for one moment, that people can be as stupid to believe flat Earth nonsense. Humans are idiots.

author: taydin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 07:07:53 am
content: I think this flat earth BS is just a social experiment. The aim is to research ways to get people accept something that is complete non-sense. How far can you go, what techniques must you use to get people stop using their brain and just accept what's being told? Of course, we won't get the results of the study

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 07:13:59 am
content: I'll say this AGAIN. The flat Eath garbage spew on the net is primarily an organized well-poisoning propaganda exercise. The core people originating this material don't believe it, they just get paid to produce ridiculous trash and pretend they're serious about it.The purpose is to make rational people recoil from online discussion in revulsion - because that diminishes the quantity and quality of ALL online discussion of important topics. Such as government corruption, Globalist Elite agendas, general decline of individual freedoms, deliberate educational dumbing-down, etc.Best response is to totally ignore all the clearly insane anti-science rubbish: flat earth, no moon landings, Nibiru, hollow Earth, over-unity gadgets, etc. I put AGW on the same list, but know most people don't get that one.I notice cdev has a persistent focus on one particular political issue, which though significant, is quite abstract and difficult to get excited about. While he generally belittles any of a zillion other equally or more significant conspiracy-related topics. Why is he wasting our time with flat Earth stuff? Would you care to explain your intent, cdev?Quote from: Lightages on December 25, 2017, 06:25:53 am{bold - fixed obvious typo}Humans not educated from childhood in physics and the scientific method, history, logic, rational skepticism, memetics and the nature of cognitive bias, then subjected to a sophisticated mass-media propaganda conditioning program, can be made to believe anything. Literally anything."We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."-- William Casey, Director of Central Intelligence. An observation by the late Director at his first staff meeting in 1981. This observation reveals the mentality of cynicism which infests the US Federal control structures, and the reality that these structures regard the American people with total contempt.

author: martinator
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 07:38:45 am
content: The earth isn't round, it's spheroid.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 08:29:26 am
content: At the 11 minute mark I totally zoned out and suddenly noticed how beautiful the background music was. So for me at least, it wasn't a total waste of time. Now I gotta download it, strip out the audio using Audacity and see if Shazam can identify it. I hope so!

author: sstepane
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 08:34:12 am
content: - So the Earth stands on three elephants?- Yes.- And they stand on a whale?- Yes.- And the whale?- On a huge turtle.- And the turtle?- Oh, I see where're you heading - there are turtles up to the bottom.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 09:28:35 am
content: Once more:Two and a half millennia ago, our forefathers KNEW that the Earth was spherical and our solar system was heliocentric:Quote from: A Hellene on November 14, 2017, 02:00:23 pmSocrates:"It is said that the earth, if someone looks at it from above, is like the spheres (the balls) that consist of twelve tracks of different kind of skin (leather). It (the Earth) is a colorful sphere and each one of its places stand out by its own colors."[Plato, 'Phaedo' or 'On The Soul', 110b]According to Socrates, the ball skin was not made of a single piece of leather. It was made of twelve pieces of leather (with that number symbolising the beauty and the power of Twelve Olympians, orthe Aether(from the verbaetho, meaningto scortch) that was represented bythe Dodecahedron) that were sewn together with offal/intestines, and each one of these twelve pieces was also vividly coloured: Homer wrote in 'Odyssey' that 'Polybus made a beautiful purple ball' and Socrates said that the ball was a colorful sphere that resembled the Earth when someone looked at the Earth from above.RegardingSpheres:Episkyros: The Hellenic game involvinga sphere(a ball) that was later calledthe footballFinally, a nice question that even an eight-years old can understand:What If The Earth Were Flat?-George

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 09:57:32 am
content: Quote from: A Hellene on December 25, 2017, 09:28:35 amHave you never heard of a figure of speech? It is common even for astronomically literate people and organisations to speak this way even though it is technically incorrect. For example NASA often refers to the rising and setting of the sun and moon and various planets even though they do not actually "rise" and "set", it is only their apparent motion across the sky that gives rise to this incorrect but accepted statement.https://www.google.com.au/search?dcr=0&ei=K8lAWsCuM4jW8QWp3pe4Cg&q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.nasa.gov+rise+set&oq=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.nasa.gov+rise+set&gs_l=psy-ab.3...10586.23592.0.23824.25.18.7.0.0.0.233.2606.0j10j4.14.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.4.843...0j0i67k1j0i46i67k1j46i67k1j0i131k1j0i10k1.0.l7UMbcGRGr4

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 10:51:00 am
content: Quote from: Circlotron on December 25, 2017, 09:57:32 amOf course I have heard of it; yet, I cannot accept this imbecile form of communication to be used by the so-calledenlightened individualswho were absolutely literal when they were spreading the Word of their God(s), while they were burning down Hellenic knowledge libraries, and were also torturing and murdering any 'heretic' individuals that did not accept the 'divine knowledge' of theirReligions of the Desert...Quote from: Circlotron on December 25, 2017, 09:57:32 amAh! That's because NASA communicates their science by using transliterated terms that belong to anotherextremely old language, the Hellenic language, sincethe English language did not exist before 900..1200 CE(this is when the very first English literature text, 'Beowulf,' was written).Yet,if Dave did not restrict the use of the Greek character-set at his forum, since I am a native speaker of the Hellenic language I could easily analyse and explain in great detail the etymology of the Hellenic language termsAnatoli(rise) andDysis(set) of a star.-George<EDIT> Grammar...

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 11:18:28 am
content: Easy challenge to flat-earth morons - when it's daytime , phone someone in <country we know is on the other side of the earth). Ask if it's dark outside.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 11:22:34 am
content: We have one relative in the family and he has fallen for this and it is pretty much the only subject he is talking about, when we get together; even for Christmas.Well, what I have learned out of this discussion is the fact, that scientific reasoning does not help in any argument with such people. Best is to not put any oil on their fire and don't react to what they have to say.

author: chris_leyson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 11:39:15 am
content: New years resolution, I must make the time to read some more Terry Pratchett

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 12:06:47 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on December 25, 2017, 11:18:28 amWe should do an Indiegogo campaign to prove it!We live on opposite sides of the glo... err, ends of the flat disk. We can Google Hangout and show outside the window, it'll be ground breaking research, millions will no doubt tune in live to see the resultProfits go to some form of basic science education in Kindergartens.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 12:13:50 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on December 25, 2017, 11:22:34 amResponse to such twits, be it flat earthers, UFO's, creationists, anti-AGW etc should be commensurate with their status and influence in society.Some nutter with two Youtube subscribers, safely ignore. Those in position of power or influence, the only way to deal with them is by complete and utter ridicule. Because as you say scientific reasoning doesn't seem to work.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 01:30:49 pm
content: I like the line - "and also figuring out other things on my own".A truly compelling argument.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 01:39:29 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on December 25, 2017, 01:30:49 pmSo many arguments in this subject matter are based on circular reasoning and the people arguing like this have not even a concept of what a circular argument is.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 01:48:06 pm
content: By the way, since today is the 25th of December,HappyWinter Solsticeto everyone!Because this is exactly what thesolar deity religionsreally celebrate: The rebirth of Sun that has always been blessing our home, the Eatrh, with its warm light, making the soil fertile, keeping the people warm and throwing the darkness, along with people's primitive fears, away.For the record, the ancestor of theChristmas treeisEiresione(a branch of olive or laurel, covered with wool, fruits, cakes and olive flasks in honour of Apollo, protector of sunlight, music, poetry, medicine and mysticism), which was the custom of the decorated tree that was broadcasted by the Hellenes to the northern peoples who, lacking of olive trees, adorned branches of their local trees in the name of the Sun (way before theReligions of the Desertand their derivatives --see:Marxism,Communism, etc,).-George

author: SMB784
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 01:48:57 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 25, 2017, 12:13:50 pmWhere I'm from, the common people used to employ a highly effective punishment for public idiocy by people with power and influence: tarring and feathering.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 02:21:52 pm
content: Quote from: SMB784 on December 25, 2017, 01:48:57 pm:-)...from theLucky Lukecomics series-George

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 03:11:25 pm
content: Quote from: A Hellene on December 25, 2017, 01:48:06 pmYou're four days too late. The winter solstice was on the 21st.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 03:15:35 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on December 25, 2017, 03:11:25 pmThat's right! Winter Solstice begins in the 21st and lasts for three whole days!Yet, its popular celebration date is the 25th of December...-George

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 03:16:56 pm
content: You cannot fool math. We have to use geodesy coordinates in order to get point A to point B which are located far apart. Using the flat earth Cartesian coordinates will not work. As the geodesy coordinates map locations to an ellipsoid accurately, the earth has to be ellipsoid - not flat.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 03:29:42 pm
content: Quote from: A Hellene on December 25, 2017, 03:15:35 pmNo, the winter solstice is only one day. It may be celebrated over the course of three days or at differing dates, by various cultures, but the winter solstice is the name for a single day, with the longest time between sunset and sunrise.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 03:44:01 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on December 25, 2017, 03:29:42 pm...which observation point of the Sun has beenapparently equalfor three whole days for the majority of the inhabitants, since the last tens-of-thousands of years time that it is being celebrated. Only recently we have distinguished that single day, with the aid of advanced optics and mathematics. Yet, the astronomers (the mystai (or the clergy if you like)) of every era would safely assume that there must be a single moment when the sun exists at its deepest observed point.-George

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 04:00:35 pm
content: Quote from: cdev on December 25, 2017, 03:29:01 amThis is proof of (one statement of) Poe's Law: "Any sufficiently-advanced parody is indistinguishable from a genuine kook."

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 04:22:05 pm
content: Everytime this comes up I go and watch these, they make me feel better.https://www.youtube.com/user/CoolHardLogic

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 04:23:33 pm
content: When I get to be Supreme Leader (which surely is just a matter of time), I will institute the following punishment for Flat Earthers: to be launched into Earth orbit for eternity or life, whichever is shorter*, so best to contemplate the majesty of the Round Earth.Ideally, when technology advances sufficiently, they are to be keep alive indefinitely, and after that their consciousness to be run on a suitable processor substrate.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2017, 06:19:41 pm
content: Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on December 25, 2017, 04:23:33 pmBut that would mean you´d "reward" people for saying rubbish things - which kind of seems to be the whole purpose of this theory/parody/waste of time.It surely is some issue with upbringing, but i am quite sure it is not the scientific part of education.OTOH... when was the last time to be rewarded for not screwing things up.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 03:15:52 am
content: I totally agree, it was just such a pure form of bullshit, I guess.I battle with people like that online all the time so it was fun to pretend i was really that mindless, i guess.Quote from: Halcyon on December 25, 2017, 04:37:01 amWhat a crazy mixed up FLAT world we live on! *wink*

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 03:30:11 am
content: I have been lucky enough - I now consider myself to have been lucky to have this happen, but I learned early on in life that many things were not what they seemed to be. So now I tend to question things that raise red flags for me. that has been very helpful.This was a joke, though..Quote from: Lightages on December 25, 2017, 06:25:53 am

author: rhb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 03:51:53 am
content: There was someone that did a direct mail offering a free pamphlet "proving" the earth was flat. Naturally, I requested one. Never got it though. I suspect that the response in Houston overwhelmed the supply. How could a geoscientist resist?

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 12:12:13 pm
content: Quote from: A Hellene on December 25, 2017, 03:44:01 pmAgain modern science has proved something, previously thought correct, to be incorrect. The winter solstice is only one day, irrespective of what ancient astronomers previously thought over the milenia.

author: taydin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 01:27:27 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 25, 2017, 12:13:50 pmThat makes sense, because if you try scientific reasoning to prove the earth is round, just like the flat earthers give "scientific" proof that the earth is flat, you won't win. People "want" to believe the earth is flat, it seems to give the uneducated more comfort i guess

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 02:13:37 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on December 26, 2017, 12:12:13 pmWell, our forefathers (especially theMystai, like Pythagoras and Plato) have accurately described everything, that the seventeenth century 'scientists' have been presenting to us as sometning new:Every 'Age' (or 'Era' or 'Epoch' or«??»[transliterated:Epochee]), counting approximately 2,150 years (which equals to the 1/12 of the 'Great Year' or«??????»[Megas Eniautos] of 25,765 years period) of our Sun being observed 'moving through' theTwelve Constellations(or theZodiacor«??»[Zodiakos Cyclos]), starts by finding the Sun entering any constellation while our Earth's axis being in 30 Deg. tilt and ends by finding the Sun exiting the constellation under an 33 Deg. Earth tilt axis, due to the earth's annual wobble called 'the precession' (or«?»).According to the above, the astronomical metaphor of Hercules (or Dionysus or Horus or Mithra or Krishna or Jesus or Buddha or any other Solar-deity --there are no coincidences here: plagiarism maybe, but no coincidence), according to which 'they were born to a virgin' (or under the constellation called 'Virgin' or «??» ) just after the 'Winter Solstice' (or «?????» [Hemereino Heliostasion]) in December 25, they 'died on the cross' (or, under the constellation called 'The Southern Cross' or «???» [Stavros tou Notou]), they had 12 followers (or 'brothers' or 'disciples'), they started 'their life' (or 'their kingdom') 'in the age of 30' and they died 'in the age of 33', is nothing more than merely the history of the observed voyage of the Sun 'Axial Precession' (or 'Precession of the Equinoxes' or «???» [Metaptosis ton Esimerion]).So, there is nothing new here for those who have learned their History from our forefathers' literature (and NOT from the despicable Hollywood History Distortion MachineTM).Well, the following has nothing to do with the present company, even though most of us might have had a similar experience:My late and beloved dog, who must had been unable to understand astronomy or astrotheology (but not 'astrology' that has traditionally been a Kabbalistic outcome as well as the 'tarot cards'), used to be barking to the full moon when he was alone (and obviously scared); yet, whenever he was coming to our smiling, caring, loving and 'learned' company, this very fear of his that made him barking to the unknown went magically away; very single time!Why do most of the people we can observe today follow this exact pattern of behavior?Obviously,obviousness does not need to be answered...So, you are quite rightfully worried because they will finally get you, one way or the other, you poor, poorYossarian...May everyone have a Merry Christmas (or, better put,Heliougennafrom Helios+Gennesis) and a Happy New Year!-George

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 02:20:22 pm
content: Quote from: A Hellene on December 26, 2017, 02:13:37 pmThe earth is tilted at 23°26'13.0"Where did you copy paste that crap from?

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 02:26:36 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on December 26, 2017, 02:20:22 pmOops... You are correct: Angle, not tilt.Constellations observation angle.-George

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 02:39:42 pm
content: People, we're not going to change anyone's mind either way. Just look at the dowsing threads. Save your energy and let this thread die the death it deserves.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2017, 03:00:42 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 26, 2017, 02:39:42 pmIt seems like the more people argue for the scientific approach, the stronger the anti-science crowd become.

author: Cubdriver
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2017, 12:33:11 am
content: 'nuff said.-Pat

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2017, 08:23:16 am
content: Quote from: Kalvin on December 25, 2017, 03:16:56 pmYes you can. Ask the population what the square root of 25 is, and take the average. You will see, the result is not 5.

author: iampoor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2017, 08:50:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 25, 2017, 12:13:50 pmThis can also backfire, and create an even stronger conviction.....Seen it quite a few times. I am blanking on what the scientific term for this effect is of course.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2017, 09:38:29 am
content: All this flat Earth nonsense is a load of hooey. The theory everybody should get behind is last thursdayism. It's a theory that can't be disproved.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2018, 09:14:26 pm
content: lol.

author: Syntax_Error
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2018, 09:45:58 pm
content: Quote from: Galenbo on December 27, 2017, 08:23:16 amAs 5 and -5 are both square roots of 25, I would accept 0 as an answer for the "average".

author: Neilm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2018, 07:15:59 pm
content: Quote from: Syntax_Error on January 15, 2018, 09:45:58 pm

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2018, 08:25:18 pm
content: Something to see for the Flat Earth Society members:https://youtu.be/WfCgHDX917k?t=3406I wonder what kind of explanations they will come up this time as SpaceX has streamed live video from the ascending and the Starman in Tesla.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2018, 08:34:59 pm
content: Quote from: Kalvin on February 07, 2018, 08:25:18 pmDon't look at the comments next to the stream. Dozens of people calling it fake. People don't understand lighting and atmosphere or lack thereof work differently in space. Nice reflective lighting and multiple light sources don't happen in the void.

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2018, 08:41:22 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 07, 2018, 08:34:59 pmClassic case of cognitive dissonance:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance#Belief_disconfirmation

author: alexanderbrevig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2018, 08:46:03 pm
content: I get so mad every time I stumble across the flat earh nonsense.A certain XKCD comes to mind. I hope they are all part of a successful trolling exercise....please....PLEASE

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2018, 08:48:48 pm
content: If the earth were flat, how do they explain time zones? Wouldn't the sun set the same time everywhere if the earth was flat?Jon

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2018, 11:06:00 pm
content: Quote from: alexanderbrevig on February 07, 2018, 08:46:03 pmThat's actually one of the intended purposes of Flat Earth and other such nonsense. See Guy's Law.QuoteBut WHICH ONE?https://xkcd.com/1318/https://xkcd.com/1255/(I bet there are others, but don't have time to search more.)Relevant:http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2011/09/21/who-discovered-the-earth-is-ro/https://strangenotions.com/did-the-church-teach-the-earth-was-flat/Nice quote from Magellan.http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=75418XKCD Forum thread: Flat Earth Societyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_lawPoe's Lawhttps://m.xkcd.com/1238/Just because it's funny.I propose a "Guy's Law": (That's me)Quote

author: hermit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 12:16:37 am
content: I won't even ask how the FE's debunk airline routes. This isn't rocket science.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 01:01:37 am
content: I like to think the flat earther stuff is a huge internet trolling effort that is actually working but I may actually be wrong.It's kinda fun to play along with them on SpaceX feeds though. One person had a different theory, I don't think he thought the earth was flat, but that there was a big glass dome, basically the earth is inside a big glass ball, and that's what keeps all the oxygen in. Every time they launch rockets it's making yet another hole in it. So I explained that they know what they're doing, there's only a few holes, and they reuse them for every mission.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 01:19:28 am
content: So guys, does this thread need to be 1000 pages long, just to suss out and conclusively prove what it is we walk, sailand fly over aka jet planes, rockets, drones, missiles etcOr do we need to understand bird talk and ask them ?or go on a helicoptor or crop dust plane and just trust our round WYSIWYG eyes,and consider asking the drunk or iced pilot what they believe?btw when are the Vulcans coming down for their first visit/contact? Might be easier and better closure just asking themPerhaps the Earth was a flat beach ball 500 years ago, and the dudes below in hell have gradually been pumping the sucker up,so the clueless dwellers above have something to sling at each other for the next 500 years, till it goes flat again

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 01:26:13 am
content: I was the OP and I posted it as a joke.And it is pretty funny, if you check out the link.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 01:40:26 am
content: I've checked the link and a few more (-enter preferred beer drinking smiley here-) on YoutubeThere's strong physics and science mashed with lots of BS from both camps,is there a dollar to be made playing this game ?

author: Syntax_Error
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 03:11:36 am
content: One of the more entertaining scientific lectures debunking flat-earth hypothesis.

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 10:00:04 am
content: If I was God, I might create a world in the shape of a giant coin. On the tails side, create some primitive life. On the heads side, there is a giant picture of my head, to remind everyone that this "coinage" belongs to me.To confuse the primitive life, I would make the physics such that it appears like they are on a globe. When they leave the disk, it appears like a globe. I can do all these impossible things because I am an all-powerful, all-knowing God.Of course, all this is impossible. But a God is also impossible. Billions of people believe in an impossible God, and it is not a real surprise they might also believe in other impossible things like a flat Earth, 9/11 was an "inside job" or that Donald Trump is a good President.There appear to be evolutionary advantages to both religious belief and detecting malevolent agents. These underlying effects create false positives, mostly they create false beliefs that are harmless. Science and technology only need to be understood by a few people in order to create useful products for the general mass of ignorant people.https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00424/full

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 10:13:53 am
content: Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 08, 2018, 10:00:04 amBut it gets annoying when those general mass of dribbling, barely literates start crying that technology X is the spawn of satan and is going to start eating all the babies.There was a town in the American bible belt which rejected a solar farm because they said it would absorb all the sunlight and the crops would fail.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 12:05:51 pm
content: Quote from: paulca on February 08, 2018, 10:13:53 amAnd it’s funny when people read satirical news articles and think they are real.The original report ->http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 12:48:47 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on February 08, 2018, 12:05:51 pmApparently I'm not the only one.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-town-rejects-solar-panels-amid-fears-they-suck-up-all-the-energy-from-the-sun-a6771526.htmlNever underestimate the stupidity of the common man.

author: hermit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 04:26:35 pm
content: People seem to write fake news, call it satire, and revel in the fact people fell for it. Satire is like SNL using Alec Baldwin as President.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 04:51:03 pm
content: Quote from: hermit on February 08, 2018, 04:26:35 pmExcept in this case it wasn't not fake news. It was run by the Independent and I believe the BBC at the time.

author: 3db
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2018, 05:24:52 pm
content: I wouldn't pay to much attention to news presented by the BBC.They have been going downhill for years.3DB

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 04:14:21 am
content: It kind of makes sense..

author: imidis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 05:17:38 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on December 25, 2017, 04:33:40 amNot for much longer at the rate we are going. Enjoy the ride.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 05:24:37 am
content: Quote from: imidis on February 09, 2018, 05:17:38 amAt least most of us can sleep well at night knowing we are smarter than the bulk of the population.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 08:28:07 am
content: Based on the Gauss curve of intelligence distribution, 50% are to the left of 100!May be that explains the flat earthers!We have a family member that has completely fallen to this FE stuff and nothing I say will get him away from his trip.

author: @rt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 08:44:57 am
content: With a Foundation amateur radio license and a $50 (China) Baofeng UV5R handheld, you can use the ISS as a repeater, but only while it’s overhead.Also, GPS is a thing, and QFH antennas for GPS aim to reject signals from below the horizon which will be reflected with time delay.

author: johnh
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 08:47:29 am
content: QuoteI have sister law like that. Believes in all that flat earth crap.Believes people in charge a reptilian alien beings. That could be true considering some of our politiciansWhen there is a family dinner, states that she is a vegetarian. But, then pour gravy made with meat stock over her vegetables. (Which she has seen her mum make)Don't get me started.She waffles on about super food. Which I say is all marketing bullshit.But, she has the most shit diet of any person I know, a Skin condition that won't clear because she doesn't eat enough protein, even vegetable base proteinThe list goes on.When she starts quoting stuff from the web. I used to say "the web of million lies".

author: cgroen
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:25:47 am
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on February 09, 2018, 08:28:07 amDamn, I wish I had someone like that in my family, I would LOVE to discuss with such a person

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:26:07 am
content: Next time you talk with a Flat Earth-person, just ask him/her whether they use a GPS to navigate from place A to B. If they admit using GPS, then they also have to admit that the earth is shpere, as the GPS-coordinates work only on a sphere but not on assumed flat earth. There is no way that the GPS coordinates we use will ever work on a flat earth, so if they manage to get from place A to B with GPS, then the earth has to be flat.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:34:39 am
content: GPS is a conspiracy, they lie about how it works. The satellites are fixed on the dome.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:35:24 am
content: Quote from: Kalvin on February 09, 2018, 09:26:07 amGPS just works user cell towers and triangulation according to them or some of them. Some believe satellites aren't even a thing. It always surprises me people think they can disprove that easily what these people believe in. They have spent a lot of time constructing alternative explanations and many are hard to disprove on their own. Things start to fall apart when you combine all the theories together, but that entails a lot, but that entails discussing and disproving a lot of theories and it's easy for them to simply drop the ones that turn out to be hard to defend.As long as it's harder to disprove nonsense than it is to come up with it, they will have the edge.

author: @rt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:46:22 am
content: That’s why I mentioned antennas, and not the GPS system itself.There are apparently a bunch or buoys in the ocean and towers everywhere for that.The Loran system was similar, and did work quite well for what it was.Isn’t our coordinate system for a grid on a flat mapOf course if every square on the grid is the same area distances will be wrong, but that’s too much detail for these types.It can work on a rectangle, you just can’t cross over certain lat & longitudinal coordinates at the edges,but if one actually flies or sails around the globe, that proves a round Earth anyway.

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:48:20 am
content: If the Earth was flat, the gravity would not pull objects straight to the ground - only at the center of the flat Earth the gravity would pull straight downwards, but further a way from the center of the flat Earth the things starts falling sideways. Have they experienced this lately? Or are all Flat Earth-people living at the center of the flat Earth?

author: @rt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:49:24 am
content: No, the flat Earth is also moving upward through space.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 10:06:38 am
content: Quote from: Kalvin on February 09, 2018, 09:48:20 amAgain, these people have constructed alternative explanations for all the common and less common objections. Some think gravity doesn't even exist. What we experience is just acceleration and the rest of the universe is a projection or something else that doesn't require gravity. Thinking you can come up with something that blows the idea clean out of the water is a bit naive.If you're interested do a bit of research, though I would strongly advise against it. You're not going to change anyone's mind and it's bound to be a huge frustration and waste of time.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 11:46:45 am
content: How come then at midnight you can ring up someone that can speak to you by live video and show you that it is midday where they live? And not just inside their house but outside, standing by some well known large object that would be impossible for an individual to fake. Two flat-earthers that trust each other should perform this experiment.

author: @rt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 11:54:01 am
content: The Sun and Moon can be much smaller, much closer objects spinning around close to the edge of the Earth round disc.Sunsets on the horizon even have some explanation, but any of it has some superficial explanation at least to get past the superficial questions.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 11:55:08 am
content: Quote from: Circlotron on February 09, 2018, 11:46:45 amFor the love of dogs, do a little research.It's not hard to find how they explain that. I will repeat myself: "Thinking you can come up with something that blows the idea clean out of the water is a bit naive." These people have spent a lot of time coming up with all sorts of alternative explanations.Here you go:https://www.google.com/search?q=flat+earth+faq

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 12:54:43 pm
content: The only thing more stupid than being stupid is arguing with stupid.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 01:46:37 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 09, 2018, 10:06:38 amIt suddenly struck me - how old do the Flat Earthers think the Earth is?For the sake of argument lets assume Old Testament time-scales - 6000 years or so.If we've been accelerating at 9.8m/s2for 6000 years we're currently doing....v=u +atv=0 + 6000*365.25*24*60*60*9.8 which is 1,855,586,880,000m/s or over 6000x the speed of lightHow do they explain that one away?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 02:07:14 pm
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on February 09, 2018, 01:46:37 pmWhy is everyone asking here, instead of hitting Google?Looks like some explain it away through relativity. It's not as if most people understand that well enough to object in a properly articulated manner.

author: hermit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 02:57:52 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on February 09, 2018, 05:24:37 amActually, this is exactly what keeps me up at night. Think about it.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 03:12:29 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 09, 2018, 02:07:14 pmWell, my question was a bit rhetorical.I did Google the FAQ and I see that they accept acceleration beyond light speed is not possible but don't say much about the fact that we must now be moving at light-speed. Or they just fudge the whole gravity thing altogether.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 03:27:06 pm
content: Quote from: hermit on February 09, 2018, 02:57:52 pmIt keeps me awake at night thinking that I have to get into a car and drive amongst them the next morning.

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 07:03:19 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on February 09, 2018, 08:28:07 amWhile the distribution says that 50% are below average, in reality 80% are below average because we are grading on a curve.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 07:49:16 pm
content: Quote from: Bassman59 on February 09, 2018, 07:03:19 pmApparently I'm part of the 65%, because I have no idea what you're on about. IQ is defined as 100 being the average, with 50% being below and 50% being above.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:30:59 pm
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on February 09, 2018, 01:46:37 pmThat 6000 years you quote is referring to is the stated age of humanity, not the age of the earth. Many people miss that point.

author: hermit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:38:56 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on February 09, 2018, 09:30:59 pmSeriously? You would quibble over the few days before Adam?

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 10:27:48 pm
content: So guys, gotta ask why are there only two options regarding the rock and water we inhabit > flat or globe?Why do I sometimes hear/recall reference to'...the four corners of the Earth' ?are we talking a square or rectangular pizza tray layout?Is there a third group of believers on Youtube I can check out tonight regarding their take,...after Mailbag search and latest Star Trek Fan Movie surfing

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 11:07:18 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on February 09, 2018, 09:30:59 pmWell, hang on Adam was created (according to the bible) on the 6th day with the Earth having been created on the 3rd so the two are the same thing aren't they?It doesn't really matter - the point was only that even by the biblical estimation of the Earth's age then, if the explanation of "gravity" is that we are sitting on a flat disk which is being accelerated at 9.8m/s in a direction perpendicular to the plane of the disk, we have had more than enough time to accelerate close to light speed. I'm sure flying through the firmament on a flat disk at such a speed would have all sorts of interesting effects on any beings living on its surface but I wouldn't fancy being one of them.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 11:14:49 pm
content: IIRC, some Japanese scientist found out / calculated that the earth is shaped like a pear.Some even believe, we are not here at all and it is all a simulation.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 11:29:13 pm
content: Maybe it's a twisted 'Truman Show' gigor...

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2018, 02:45:10 am
content: The Sounds of Earthhttps://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/golden-record/whats-on-the-record/

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2018, 01:29:48 pm
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on February 09, 2018, 11:07:18 pmNo, the earth was createdbeforethe first day. The opening sentence of Genesis 1:1 says that. Not only that, it does not ascribe any particular time period from the creation of the earth to the beginning of those six days that describe the preparation of the earth's surface for various forms of life. The earth and the rest of the universe was not created in those six days; that is ridiculous. After all, we can dig lead out of the ground that has decayed from uranium that has a half life of 4.5 billion years, so the earth has been around for a very long time.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2018, 02:22:23 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on February 10, 2018, 01:29:48 pmOK, while the opening of Genesis says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth", it goes right on to say "And the earth was without form, and void" so whatever "earth" was created at that point is wasn't the planet as we know it.Butit really doesn't matter- I just used the 6000 years as a bit of a joke, you know,even ifthe bible is literally true and we've only been here 6000 years that would be more than enough time to reach light speed at a constant 9.8m/s acceleration (which seems to be how some Flat Earthers explain gravity). In fact just a year will get you past light speed - well, not because of relativity and stuff, but my point is that it does not provide a very good explanation of gravity on a flat disk earth.I think that I might have been a victim of Poe's Law

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2018, 02:57:50 pm
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on February 10, 2018, 02:22:23 pmI think they explain it through relativity. To the inhabitants of the disk nothing changes, you just accelerate endlessly and the world around you too and nothing changes. Only to an outside observer it might make a difference, as speed is relative. After that it depends on what one believes exactly. Some don't believe the things we see in the sky are real things or even just projections or holograms nearby. Ther's nothing that stops those from travelling along at the same accelerating speed.Of course, they doubt gravity exists or works the way we think it does. What's to stop them from declaring light doesn't work the same either? People seem to constantly make the mistake of referencing it against what we think to proudly point out a mistake. It doesn't work that way. Obviously, because these people wouldn't persist otherwise. They constructed a network of alternate explanations. Don't make the mistake of thinking these are unintelligent people. Just like is the case with regular religion, believing in it is not necessarily a function of intelligence.

author: technix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2018, 03:21:51 pm
content: I actually liked theMythbuster episodewhere Adam Savage boarded a U-2 plane and flew to 21km above Earth surface. From the aerial view, the curvature of Earth is clearly visible. I really want to know how Flat Earthers would disprove that.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2018, 04:14:18 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on February 10, 2018, 01:29:48 pmUnless you want to get into a technical discussion about whether "a day" actually existed before there was an Earth to rotate around in sunlight, the universe existed for about 9 billions before the Earth formed. That's about 3360228240000 days.Of course, you have to be careful not to mix science with fiction. Well, you can, but you just end up with science fiction.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2018, 04:17:12 pm
content: Quote from: technix on February 10, 2018, 03:21:51 pmWhen you say you really want to know, do you actually mean you don't want to know at all? Because it took me literally just a few seconds to find: lens distortion, pressure cabin window distortion, the sun only illuminating a circular area giving the impression of a sphere and CGI. There's probably a few more.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2018, 05:26:26 pm
content: It is difficult to see the curvature from anywhere but LEO. You could reprieve it looking around at high altitude but looking straight at the horizon you won't.The earth is BIG. The whole crust and atmosphere of the planet is analogous to the skin of an apple.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2018, 02:35:18 am
content: Quote from: paulca on February 10, 2018, 05:26:26 pmWhy would anyone need to see the curvature anyway?With two high targets (poles / posts / anchored stationary balloons / DIY the cheapest option) a few miles distance apart on a long stretch of flat land,a strong laser, night time use recommended to see the sucker!a fast car or motorbike or high powered binoculars/telescope?and a bit of elementary math > drop off x distance x laser limitations (if any) = curvature etc etchow hard can it be?I assume learned people have already done this countless times already, and supplied the info

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 12, 2018, 05:06:29 am
content: Quote from: johnh on February 09, 2018, 08:47:29 amThere is no such thing as a "super food", just "super marketing".Some people will believe anything if Opera said it first.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2018, 05:26:19 am
content: Why do the flat Earth people keep getting the center wrong? Obviously the South Pole has to be the center. There is a massive chunk of rock there and you need that to mount the bearings.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2018, 05:40:15 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on February 12, 2018, 02:35:18 amRight, this was done in England in the late 1800's. They got 2 guys the flat-earther trusted, and made 3 devices with long poles, floats and targets.The poles were the same length and had a float on the bottom, and a target with a hole in it at the top.There was a stretch of the Thames river (I think) that was straight for about 20 miles, with 3 bridges at about 10 mile spacing. Two of the trusted persons went to the far and middle bridge at an appointed time, and the flat-earther went to the "near" bridge. He could look through the first target and see the other two. Clearly, he saw the middle target was way higher than a sight line through the two end ones. The only answer was that the surface of the water was curved. That convinced the doubter.Jon

author: hermit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2018, 06:19:55 am
content: So, if people knew the Earth was round as early as 500 BC we are trying to bring the flat Earthers into the 400 century BC? I think the rocket guy has the right idea. Take these simpletons for their money because, well, anyone that works at being stupid deserves it.https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question54.html