Another Osama & Nuclear Bullshit? - Page 1
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author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2011, 08:01:05 am
content: stumbled upon this...Evidence at bin Laden’s home raises nuclear concerns

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 13, 2011, 08:25:36 am
content: Classic FUD.Gotta keep the citizenry scared shitless so they'll turn a blind eye to the cost of the military industrial complex at the expense of their own country and freedomDave.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2011, 11:51:52 am
content: The US military is a great place for EE though. Most of my friends have permanent careers since graduation as its need constantly change and evolves, great for pure designer work. For the most part, its lifelong job security. Better than NASA. Harder for contractors from the private sector like Boeing, as it depends on contracts.

author: sacherjj
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2011, 01:15:38 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 13, 2011, 08:25:36 amYep. The US Government fights Terrorism with Fearorism. Keep our population scared and stupid.

author: Russel
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2011, 04:11:54 pm
content: It is information from a newspaper...of course, it is bull****.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2011, 05:38:57 pm
content: after Bin Laden got murded Iran said "USA have no reason to be anylonger active in this world region",well and that's why they now looking for reason to stay there.It could be much cheaper to stay in Texas and hunt the real terrorist, but in Texas everybody have anywayenough weapons so not a good deal for military industry.

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2011, 06:28:10 pm
content: Quote from: saturation on May 13, 2011, 11:51:52 amYes, they are stable jobs, but the contractors do most of the real design work. Engineers hired by the govt. mostly do stupid meetings and filling out paperwork (contractor shall.......)My dad wants me to join him working for the govt. (he's a civil service ME, after 20 years of being in the military as an engineer and pilot) but I say that I put up with too much BS as it is.example: A study must be done to see if system "X" can be tested with the "standard tester." Once it is proven that the "standard tester" can't test system "X" they should be done, right? Wrong. The all day meeting must continue to evaluate other aspects of "system x."

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2011, 07:49:05 pm
content: Yes, there is a predominant test and evaluation lean but life there is mostly stress free, you could say its boring, but the engineers have a ball playing with so many toys ... you are paid lower though. All the stress is with the contractors trying to please gov't engineershttp://www.arl.army.mil/www/default.cfm?page=202The tell tale sign is in decade long careers at the same office and stress-less, non-rushed appearance compared to the constipated look of civilian contactors: working from project to project, deadline after deadline, having no future beyond the end of the contract, and worried whether the next contract will ever appear.Quote from: Excavatoree on May 13, 2011, 06:28:10 pm

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2011, 08:22:11 pm
content: Quote from: saturation on May 13, 2011, 07:49:05 pmYes, the stress free aspect is tempting. I'd say my current job is about the same, really. a bit less BS, a bit more real engineering. It's complicated by the fact that I could change to a purely electronic/electrical job, however.I know contractors that love it, but the worry would get to me. I suppose if one were inclined not to settle down and to be able to move around, it would be great.Sorry, all, for going off the main topic.

author: Russel
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2011, 04:55:18 am
content: Quote from: tinhead on May 13, 2011, 05:38:57 pmThere is always the real reason, the fact that oil is the cheapest source of energy and the US is one of the greatest consumers of oil.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2011, 05:12:58 am
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on May 13, 2011, 08:22:11 pmno off topic at all! the title is already off topic by itself

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2011, 05:47:05 am
content: I have some tactical nuclear weapons, good prises.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2011, 07:31:27 am
content: Quote from: firewalker on May 14, 2011, 05:47:05 amdo you have oil?

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2011, 01:26:14 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on May 14, 2011, 07:31:27 amYes, we do!!!

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2011, 02:56:01 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on May 14, 2011, 01:26:14 pmok! wait the "police of the world" arrive.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2011, 05:58:46 pm
content: They are here!I.M.F.Quote from: Mechatrommer on May 14, 2011, 02:56:01 pm

author: ngkee22
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2011, 09:06:00 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on May 13, 2011, 05:38:57 pmIn Texas, we have more weapons then anywhere else in the USA. Even from the early days of the Republic of Texas, there were more guns than citizens.One other thing, they found a lot of oil in south Texas, but I think China jumped in and bought most of the rights to it. Guess we will buy it from them now.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2011, 07:53:09 am
content: ah! this is what happen if you keep doing nasty business outside, and not have enuf se* at homeStrauss-Kahn wins $1 million bail - "serious" se* charges

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2011, 08:55:43 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on May 20, 2011, 07:53:09 amblah, something like that can only happens in USA, everywhere else in the world you can have/get sex (no matter with whom and where)without going to be fraked by law, that's another one example why Osama not likes US.Actually hard to understand, why USA are so strange, probably because most of americans no believe in God.As a good muslim/christi you will normaly follow what God said spread your "seed" as much you can, actually even as paganyou will do it because human beings/animals are suppose to do it!So what the hell wrong with americans?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2011, 09:36:19 am
content: yes there is proper way to do it. and i was not aiming at the representative of americans, i believe the citizen is as good meaning as other people around the world. only the problem with the management DH people up there. looking at the citizenship, the late manager aka molester is a france born.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2011, 09:59:51 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on May 20, 2011, 09:36:19 amdefinition of "proper way" might differ, think about Mantis !

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2011, 02:35:22 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on May 20, 2011, 08:55:43 amWhat? I would say most americans do believe in god. Just sounds like you have never been to america to me.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2011, 03:13:55 pm
content: Quote from: Time on May 20, 2011, 02:35:22 pmactually not that often, in last ~15yrs about 8 -10 times, however i do have office in NA becauseof my daily business/customers there, therefore I have more than enough to do with americans to know,who they are, what they are and what they try to be.In all these years i met * hundreds of americans, and to be very honest each time they visiting Europethey totally changing - from whatever they are @home to really "worse" - no matter what companyposition, religious confession or gender they have. I don't have issues on that, because i'm not thatmuch better, however i'm always the same person.So do not take it personally, that's only my personal impressions.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2011, 04:50:18 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on May 14, 2011, 02:56:01 pmLol, I love Team America - World Police.

author: Lawsen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2011, 02:32:53 am
content: There are a lot of news surrounding this, but there are a lot that readers here do not realised. This head terrorist was killed unarmed and half awake in his sleeping clothes. He was used as a figure to unite a severely divided and financially broke nation, my U.S.A. America has spent over a $ trillion USD to hunt down the head terrorist that betrayed the U.S. since the Afghan War to harass the Russians and tempt them into fighting Afghanistan War. Many innocient Pakistani have been tortured or attacked by covert Seals and Rangers and drone and cruise missiles. Eventually, over a ten years period, the head terrorist was found and shot half awake at night. The fears stem from the personal computers retrived from his fortress house. It is very likely that the Pakistani government cooperated in his capture and execution. Opinions around the world, my U.S. broken the law. My President ordered an execution of a man, the head terrorist without a trial, even though this straw man or icon of hate is guilty. Americans post flags all over to celebrate his execution, even the church has a huge American flag. The war unites all Americans to fight and observe the terrorists and unites us to forget about our collapsed currency and economy. It unites us to forget about freedom and depression, but to be vigilant and watchful of everyone and everything, "heighten security."What scares stem from the computer captured in the head terrorist's room?1. trains might be attacked, so we need to be warry and watchful and use it less.2. oil tankers might be captured or sank in the high seas, so we need a larger navy to be watchful and escort them.3. large cities might be attack, so we need to visit it less and be watchful, when we are there.4. nuclear scare is less that Fukushima tsunami damage have caused a Geiger counter shortage. Ecotest consumer Geiger counter went from $189.00 before the Sendai earthquake and tsunami to $800.00 aftermath, inflation and shortages and fear.5. More fears upon fears came from the information in the head terrorist's computers.The helicopters used to sneak into Pakistani air space are not typical. The engines are heavily insulated to muffle the sound. The heat built up, because of the insulation in one of the helicopters caused it to over heat and could not fly back. The Seals decided to scarified it and blown it up into a ball of flames. The displaced Seals have to double up into remaining helicopters, a larger Boeing Chinhook tandem rotor was used to carry CIA analyist and agents to witness the execution. While all of this going on, civilian Pakistani Tweeter the world. The electricity went off precisely during the execution and turned back on afterwards according to civilians interviewed by the BBC. It is very difficult to hide a large Boeing Chinhook from RADAR. The Boeing Chinhook and the other sound muffled helicopters are painted with RADAR absorbing materials like iron carbonyl to absorb the radio waves as heat. Iron pentacarbonyl is made by reacting iron with carbon pentaoxide. The pigment is used to paint large metallic body airplanes and helicopters to allow it to not give a pronounced RADAR pattern. The rotors are carbon graphite, not metallic rotors. There is less a RADAR signature and makes it a challenge to detect. The material is likely a weak magnetic field material like a paramagnetic, not diamagnetic that gives a strong magnetic field. The U.S. known that fortress house for awhile, four to six months. Carriers were interviewed and clues and cues that the head terrorists hidden there. The U.S. paid Pakistani spies about $10,000. USD to provide information about that fortress. Replica fortress was built in a military base in the U.S. with help from the CIA and NSC to train the Seals and special covert forces to attack it and reherse the invasion and execution. The entire mission duplicates Masaad tactics in execution. The White House originally lied that the head terrorist put up a severe fire fight like the exaggeration of Teddy Roosevelt's march up San Juan Hill in Cuba in the past history. The U.S. shot an unarmed, untried guilty, head terrorist half awake. Lots of air photos and planning were used to carry out the mission. Very likely we were lied that the head terrorists died in the Afghanistan air raids and kidney failure. There were no kidney machines at that house. Just a guilty by evidence and unarmed, older man begging for his life was executed, and untried in court; period. The news exaggerated. The execution and invasion were planned four to six months, before May 1, 2011. The U.S. has been attacking Pakistan over this for a decade, ten years. The head terrorist served no purpose to the U.S., Afghans, or Pakistani, so his time has came to the end.Like it or not, the world will always be an uneasy place for us all to live. My U.S. economy collapsed. Lots of what is on that hard drive is just another anti American fantasy, than actual reality by a man who suffered trauma and mental illness from the U.S. CIA sponsored Afghan Wars with Russia and internal Afghan government. By being afraid of what is on the head terrorist's computer is to perpetuate his insanity, evil, and envious feelings against the world, my U.S.Lawsen

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2011, 06:27:50 am
content: and do you think osama was that stupid to leave those trails to be found easily? answer this, why america is sooo busy body when other country involved in nuclear research? where itself is the biggest daddy in nuke industry? and nobody give a shit about that? did they get the "infinite time" patent from imf? we are sorry your economy collapsed, but that cannot be the reason for this nuclear hype. and you know why a church will raise a big flag when a muslim died? still you dont get it, do ya?and from what i know, there is onekeywordthats actually behind all this bullshit, something higher up there, something in more power of control, something delusive, its not god, its not devil, they are normal human being. its not american, its not pakistan or whoever that you see on newspapers. its the (try to be) supreme power on earth that acts like a plague, very dirty plague. and its been written for sooo so so so long, if you care to do the reading. i will not mention it here, because its a mess! a real mess that have been prophecized.

author: Lawsen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2011, 07:35:45 am
content: The Baptist church flies an entire city block with American flags with a huge, approximately 10 feet (3.0 m) by 14 feet (4.6 m) American flag to celebrate the execution of a head terrorist, guilty without much trial, but lots of evidence. It is the only accomplishment, besides caped the Gulf of Mexico BP-New Horizon Hyundai Transoceanic oil guisher. We celebrate it like the days we landed on the moon or the Viking landers on Mars or the Spirit and Sojourner on Mars. I am thinking about a flag at my mother's porch, too. Do not apologize for the great collapse of the U.S. real estate and currency, those were caused by greed from real estate bank loaning schemes, unemployment, and poor monetary policies by the leaders in our economic system. I am too small and insignificant to have a say in this and I just stay at my mother's house to wait out the great recession to near great recovery. These are circumstances beyond our control."United We Stand. . . America is ready for business. . ." are slogans I remembered, since 9-11-2001. I starved during 9-11-2001 as the dormitory ran out of food by restaurants closed for fears of more attacks. I did not do so well in the university at the time. I kept studying and things got better with time.Lawsen

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2011, 07:39:57 am
content: yea go watch your tv! i dont blame ya!

author: Slobodan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2011, 11:05:26 am
content: CIA agent Osama Bin Laden died in 2001. This is 9th time he was "kiled"."Database" (or if you wont "Al-Qaeda") doesn't even exist.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2011, 03:00:03 pm
content: Aw, people!- According to the following FOXnews.com article of December 26, 2001,Bin Laden is dead since 2001.- EvenBenazir Bhuttostated that Osama Bin Laden was already deadin 2007, just before her assassination.- According to a brief research of media releases,Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead… For the Ninth Time!You see, the recenttelevised announcementof the target killing of thetelevised Osamabinladin(since themillionaire Osama Bin Ladenis long gone --or alive and kicking, residing perhaps in some distant sunny place and sipping pina-coladas!) is necessary for the perpetuation of the lie that "extremist Islamist groups" and "Al Quaeda" are still out there and furious for revenge.Now, how different would that be if Osama Bin Laden had afair trial? (I am not implying, of course, that there is such a thing as a "fair trial" at these levels of staged control; I am using this term just for the sake of the argument...)Well, if anything, the TSA with their DNA-altering technology equipment would probably be out of business the next day!But alas; the big bad wolf is still out there; and he will always be out there, to scare the living //// out of the unthinking majority, in order to keep these community members away from using their brains...Mass deceptionhas always been Media's favorite occupation.Just watch a CNN "live report" from the Gulf War in 1991, which proves beyond doubt the media counterfeiting tactics:So, please, do yourselves a favor and DO NOT swallow everything your TV set (and its cousin,The Big Screen) tells you:From thetelevisedmannedMoon landings[attempt #2], to thetelevised attacks of 9/11, successfully planned and executed, according to the formal witch-hunt, by a few poppy farmers from Afghanistan that succeeded attacking the best protected building in the whole world (the Pentagon), using commercial planes full ofmagic fuelthat is able to bring down steel structures in a few seconds time; twice; in the same day; with the projected accuracy ofcopy & paste!__________Do you want to knowwhythis is happening?Have you ever heard of "The Allegory of the Cave"? Though it is a part of the Classic Greek literature, it remains a bit of a hidden work, outside of psychology and logic courses in universities.Well, let me present you a comprehensive animation of a conversation that took place in 421 BCE in the residence of Cephalus in Piraeus in ancient Greece between Socrates and Glaucon, as told by Plato (Socrates's disciple and Glaucon's brother) in his masterpiece called "The Republic" («Η Πολιτεία» or «Περί δικαίου» in Classical Greek), written circa 380 BCE.As a bonus, for anyone interested, the clip is subtitled with the original platonic text in Classical Greek language!In a few words, "The Allegory of the Cave" is a tale in which four prisoners in a cave (that have never seen the outer world because they were put in captivity since birth --rings any bells?) mistake artificial shadows -orillusions- forreality. When one of them is released into the upper, real world, he comes to understand the nature of truth and the responsibility that accompanies his latest realizations. It is about "our human nature, whether it is enlightened or unenlightened."Plato's description of a fire behind the audience, casting a shadow created by an image being held up in front of the fire, and being so realistic that the cave dwellers mistake it for reality, no longer seems to be so far fetched when you look at the contemporary image projection technology, the TV and the big screen as well as the nonsense foolish contests of sports/lifestyle/etc. thecontemporary captivesare called to participate in; even though Plato's book was written a good 2,400 years ago (and it was about an idea conceived even before).It is obvious that this parable is a solid proof that the manipulators of human perception have not changed their principal tactics since antiquity; andthe unthinking majorityis still falling for the same machination...-George

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 23, 2011, 10:46:18 pm
content: Quote from: A Hellene on May 23, 2011, 03:00:03 pmBecause everyone is conspiring against us? Especiallythey.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 12:08:27 am
content: Well, I would not say thateveryoneis conspiring against us, even though conspiracies exist almost everywhere. Just take a closer look, for example, at the office/work space or, sometimes, within someone's family/friend circles...But then, who is conspiring against us? Who arethey? Well, the answer is simple: Who is going to lose the most when the majority starts thinking for themselves? Who are we allreallyworking for? Rephrasing that, where does our income, or about 90% of it, go to in the form of legal (not lawful) taxation? The answer is, again, simple: To theTax Farmswe belong to (or we were born into, if you like), in order for theFarmerwho runs the Tax Farm to pay back with interest those who funded his election. But, again, who aretheythat fund the elections of the Farmers in order to be taking advantage of us? Though I know it will not sound very nice,theyareour owners: Those who own us.But, how can they own us? Once more, the answer is simple: Withour consentto be binded by special contracts! With contracts that exist beyond our comprehension, even though we have heard of them and we believe that these documents are of our personal interest --which they are not.One of the most important contracts that binds us to their will is ourBirth Certificate. Studying History, especially the little details that have been omitted from the mainstream history books, you will realise that this is not some new invention...Additionally, speaking previously ofTax Farms, let me recommend you to watch something that will not only enrage you but it will also give you a taste ofthe power of denial:So, reality resembles a onion: Peeling off the outer coat will not reveal its core; it will only reveal yet another inner coat...In this manner, debunking a political/militaristic scam, like this of Osama for example, will not be enough for us to realise the full proportions of the deception we live our little lives within. Not until we realise theactualrole (meaning, NOT theeuphemisticalone) of the religions/ the monetary system/ the legal system/ the educational system/ etc.This is what my essay onSocial Engineering(part #2,part #3) was about.-George

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 03:26:27 am
content: too much material you have there hellene, nice! but as a practical outcome is a concern of engineers, a long essay will not be good enough. engineers solve problem, not making stories. so here's the simple problem that never been solved long time ago...how to cope with this? and how to solve this?i know, the answer will not be that simple. it is the phase 2 of another long essay after this essay #1 about intro on political scamness/madness. tax is good for country if managed properly. but as the same to hacker, or cracker or pirate, you name it the politicians are, they have exploited the tax for their own good, citizen suffer.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 04:58:18 am
content: That was a very good question, Mechatrommer! Yet, the answer remains simple: With thecollective effortof rational and creative individuals.For example, what did it take to overcome the DS1052 unhackability problem? Answer: The collective effort of a few individuals!Now, thoughcreativitydoes not seem to be a gift everyone possesses,rationalityis acquirable by anyone interested in self improvement and this is achieved via education, which also helps in the rejection of any dogmatic aspects that keep the mind bound to any set of instilled delusional beliefs.Of course, by the term "education" I do not mean theindoctrinationthat in reality is the so-called "public education" (which rather createsunthinking subjectsthanthinking individuals). Indoctrination also seems to be able to be shrug off by anyone who really chooses to dismiss it.Now, in order to find and create a viable solution, we firstly need to recognise and comprehend the actual problem. So, History is an invaluable tool to help us see not only the roots of a problem that is so deep, but any possible workarounds also.Borrowing a famous phrase, "Those who do not learn from History are condemned to repeat it."-George

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 09:53:08 am
content: Quote from: A Hellene on May 24, 2011, 04:58:18 amIn comparison with my own brothers, I had inherit ate lots of thiscreativitygift,as my own father was fully charged by it .And I ended up as an wacky Electrician + Electronics + IT + I am good at fishing ,plus I can teardown my Honda 250cc ..But I think that I would be really gifted , if I had an father with lots of cash..By be gifted withcreativity, it took me years , but I did earned some glory because of my work ,because I was offering always Class A results.Now I feel more independent as person , I feel that my life had so far a true meaning ,but I have a terrible tanning , and I do not remember when was the last time ,that I was had , an wild party with my own friends ..

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 11:29:59 am
content: actually, there is a simple way to be free - suicide.Everything else is a bit more complex. Sure, you can (if you start very early) overcome many regulationsby being politician. However, this can't work for everybody because someone have to work for the politiciansand in most cases at that day you recognized what's about the farm you already to old to start as a politician.Another way is to buy a own Island and be (as far you can) independant. Sure there is still some dependencybut it is all you can do on earth. You will of course need some money, so you need your own good working business.This is what many ppl recognized and started to earn money - and actually if the revenue is above a specificlevel (level which would allow you to buy own Island) many ppl recognized that this amount of money ishuge enogh to be involved "in the farm" and huge enough to be "free" - so you don't have to leave the farm anymore.Funny eh?Anyway, not everybody will have great businees idea, so not everybody can reach this level.Luckily "the farm" have own rules to allow their owners to not pay anything in case something goes wrong- there is a beautiful law like Chapter 7 (this works perfect in USA and Germany, for other countires check your local laws, there will be something similar in all "democracy" contries).All you have to do is to create own company (somethign like Ltd, Inc, LLC, GmbH works perfect).In the first year all you earn is yours - just don't pay any taxes, don't care about, it will takes a 1.5 yearsuntil you will get busted for that. All you have to do is use Chapter 7 after first business year - and you free from taxes.Well, you know what next step - create new company and play the game again.For some countiers important step - do it 3 months before the last company was under Chapter 7.If you worry about jail - be smart. All you have to do is to transfer the whole turnover (from the whole first business year)somewhere, a good idea is to have another company in countiers(farms) with low tax like Slovak Rep. (there are other too, google for it). There is nothing ilegal in this business, all you have to do is just to buy a (as company which will be soon under Chpt. 7)a "service" from the low tax company (far away from your farm) and pay upfront.With this business model you can buy your own Island after 10 yrs, and you a "free". Sure, on the Island you willnot earn enough money to buy every year new car (not even every 10yrs), sure you will still to have importsome tools and be "self-owned farmer", sure it might happens that you can't never everagain visit the rest of the world - but you will be free.So if you play this through, you will see there is free choise - you can continue to live and work forthe farm (as mr. nobody or businessman involved in the farm) or you can leave the farm (by suicide or chpt. 7 way)

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 09:21:07 pm
content: Kiriakos,Creativityis the ability to create; it is the power or the faculty someone possesses to create new ideas or solutions. So, by definition, you are a creative individual!If you told me that you were not a creative man I would not believe you, since I have seen what solutions you have created and posted at this site!Creativity, on the other hand, can be improved for anyone that wishesto flexthis specificintellectual musclewe all possess; but we are constantly being taught ("programmed")not to think on owr own, since childhood...__________tinhead,According to my perception, someone ceases to exist after suicide! So, they cannot be free or unfree anymore; they, simply, are not there to own or to be owned. I believe that is that simple! Despite the unsubstantiated and unprovable claims of all thereligious institutionsthat promise to their subjectsafterlivesif they behave during theirreal life: "If you are good to your owners and obey them blindly while in this life, you will receive a better life after you die!" Yeah! Sure! Whatever...After someone's death, it isthe memoriesof their qualities and their achievements that remain immortal! For example,Socrates, thatgreat teacher of critical thinking, lives through me whenever I use or spread any of his ideas; but he will never come back alive, no matter what.Life is everything someone can experience and do while alive; anything else is a creation of the mind, called a delusion. Human mind is so powerful that it can create a whole universe in a few seconds time. Why waist it in irrational and tyrannic ancient dogmas that were created by cunning minorities to take advantage of whole societies?Classical Greek literature is about the lifetime-long preparations for any individual to have a righteous and quality life, anda good death. If this is calledrationality, I will prefer it over thedogmatismof theAbrahamic religions(i.e. Judaism, Christianity and Islam), which are about living a life of fear and servitude under the inhumane commands of a selfish "god," called "The Tetragrammaton" (meaning in Greek: "The Four Letters" describing Yaweh (YHWH) or Jehovah (JHVH), according to the first Abrahamic cabbalistic creation of the sixth century BCE). After all, Abraham was aChaldean Magus(plural: Magi, form «Μάγοι» meaning: Magicians, Sorcerers); Abraham was a Zoroastrian High Priest who took advantage of the ancient Hebrew tribes and turned them against each other until their extinction. What about Jesus, or "Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef" as he was actually called in his times, meaning "Excellent Joshua, son of Josef" ("Rabbi" was a title of honor and ownership, meaning "Excellent" or "Great" until the end of the first century CE; after that it was used as a title for the priests of Judaism)? Even educated Jesus tried to humanely reform that rabbinical abomination for the good of his own people,the remnants of the Tribe of Judah, and got himself crucified for messing with the priesthood. It was then that Paul took over the teachings of his dead master and created the sect calledChristianitythat was expanded outside the realm of Judaism and was officially established in 325 CE. Finally, Islam, the latest Abrahamic branch, was created half a millennium later, in the seventh century CE. All these three systems of the belief in and the worship of an imaginary superhuman controlling power share the same foundation of Mosaic tales, which the first system calls "Pentateuch," the second one calls "Old Testament" and the latter one calls "Holy Books."Anyway, to close my parenthesis with theAbrahamic delusions, many people believe that everything started with theChaldean priests, those masters of deception coming formUr of Mesopotamia(Ουρ της Μεσοποταμίας), who fled toCanaanthrough Harran, and with one of them calledAbrahamstriking first; the rest is history --or a dogmatic piece of history, to be more precise...Talking of "Chapter 7" I believe that you mean the bankruptcy claim laws.Well, aBankruptcy claimalong withOutsourcing(the other workaround you mentioned) areloopholesin the greater scheme, called theGame,(or theCommerce Game) in which our lives are considered to bestocks(orcapital stocks) of theBusiness CompanyourPerson(or ourBirth Certificate) represents, There is no way out in this direction...What about buying an island and living over there? If I buy a house and read carefully the contract, I will realise that I am not stated asthe ownerof that property; I am stated to bea tenantinstead. No way out in this direction either, because buying or selling property is also done within the realm of the Game...I repeat that the Game is not some sort of a new concept; it is there for centuries...For example, I am no allowed to take any drugs because I do not own my body; it belongs to the company that now holds my Birth Certificate. Unless I renounce that contract and become a freeman --if I can do such a thing, becauseCommon Lawmight permit such an action butCivil Lawdoes not...So, yes, acquiring someone's freedom is not that simple...Is not knowing all this information a bliss or not? Personally, I always wanted to know exactly where I stand.-George

author: Kuolas
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 09:36:04 pm
content: Quote from: A Hellene on May 24, 2011, 09:21:07 pmYou are the firstEE Philosopherwho I know.I disagrees, those reference you make arent reliable and can't be historicaly proven.I prefer to believe in what is proven, the rest is noise... Why you need to listen or measure noise?

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 10:15:59 pm
content: Thank you, Kuolas, but I would not call myself an "EE Philosopher"!But, again, what is the etymology of the termPhD, which is one of the highest titles in any science?As for your freedom to agree or to disagree with anything you wish to, I think that this is the whole idea!By the way, what did you mean by stating "historicaly proven"?Someversion of Historya fewspecial peoplehave agreed to be closer to what makestheir employershappy?Have you not ever heard of any country/state to modify not only their history textbooks but their historical sites, as well? Why should they do such a thing? To remove some unwanted historical evidence, perhaps, that disproved the version of their History they try to promote?-George

author: Kuolas
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 10:28:37 pm
content: I prefer to see Philosophers and Ideals through History.It it's true that people, pharaohs, kings, emperors and governments have "edited" history... but you know what? There's proof of that!But if you don't know that, what you believe is really fake... Then how we know it's true?Simple, by it's results. No action can be and don't have a trail behind. The history it's the same, facts have aripple effect, edits not so (at least not so strong as facts). Some historical "facts" didn't last long, other do... but they wont.As an example:Apollo and the Moon... did they really got there? Well, I don't know but I do believe them (that's faith). Some day we will be able to go there and visit the "historical proof" that locates there.Equally withRigol... the "secrets" didn't last long

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 10:47:14 pm
content: suicide is not an option for us who believe in afterlife. you'll just make it worst in afterlife.doing big business is another option. but you need very hardwork and patient before you get there. once you got the power of money, easily you can take control of the power to govern.i believe in hellene's otion regarding education. ie educate our young about corruption and what it can do to our nation. so in the future, many people will fight for it if it ever happen. but again, that still just in theory, we can only work on it and hope for the best.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2011, 11:03:28 pm
content: Quote from: Kuolas on May 24, 2011, 10:28:37 pmIf ever decide to see an Philosopher electrician , I will send you my face in a posterWelcome in the forum ..

author: Lawsen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2011, 08:34:24 pm
content: Many people felt the same way one reader responded, that the head terrorist might not be the one. The Seals raid was too easy. The evidence in the news media are:1. Computer facial recognition software2. DNA from fluids of his sister's cranium who died from brain cancer almost match that of the dead.3. His body was dumped at sea to keep the terrestrial terrorist away, unless they bought a submarine.Why did it taken 10 years to locate him? Many observers outside concluded that he was actually dead 10 years ago. It is very difficult to who is telling the truth, over this international business man turned CIA warrior in Afghanistan to terrorist rebel against my U.S.A.I usually believe in the simplest answer, that the head terrorist was executed and body dumped at sea. This closes the chapter to a very corrupt America and Middle Eastern business man turned corruption, warrior and rebel over fanatical religion. The newsstands have tabloids specializing in the head terrorist's family and events from 9-11-2001 to present by Life Magazine.Lawsen

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2011, 03:14:37 am
content: now the "world police" arrived and try to mess with our country i think, and Dave's beloved Australia too! but i dont know, maybe for good.UN nuclear agency opens probe for Malaysia plantits also injakarta post.

author: Vertigo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 13, 2011, 09:02:37 am
content: society is a pendulum that swings between the extremes of anarchy and fascism.it will eventually reach its limit and come swinging back again, only questions is how much damage will be donein the mean time...what pisses me off though is the general public's willingness to bend over and take it up the tailpipe like this.i remember a world that was different once.a world where liars could be held accountable, and people got proportionately angry when they got screwed over.nowadays people just seem to roll over and give paw on command, no matter how badly they have been beaten.especially troubling since in my little pendulum comparison, the law of gravity is represented by we the people.