Multimeter to pair with DS1054Z - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: ajo518
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2016, 01:52:55 am
content: I am a Electrical Engineering student and am looking at getting a proper multimeter instead of the cheapie I currently have as I am working for a semester and don't have access to all the awesome stuff at school.I am also going to get a DS1054Z Rigol to use as well.I am mainly looking at a fluke 87v(Used) or a 17B+(New).They have about a $100 price difference, but with having a dso as well is it work the extra dollars to go for the 87v or am I better off with the 17B+?I mainly will use it for electronics projects, but do do the occasional mains work, so true rms would be nice, but I've survived without it so far...Opinions?

author: MarkF
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2016, 03:09:17 am
content: I would go for the Fluke 87V. The 17B+ is NOT a True RMS meter for AC.I have the Fluke 87V, Fluke 117 and Fluke 334 clamp-on meters and happy with all of them. Was looking at a bench meter for some time but ended up with the 87V instead.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2016, 04:49:41 am
content: There is certainly nothing wrong with buying Fluke, I have a 189 myself. But I bought a couple of Dave's rebadged BM235s and they are very nice meters with a great spec and True RMS. And they cost a LOT less than my 189.I'm not a fan of using high dollar meters on mains. I don't need to know the voltage down to the last millivolt because there is nothing I could do about it anyway. It's either there or it isn't. I use a solenoid style testerhttps://www.amazon.com/Ideal-61-076-Vol-Con-Tester/dp/B000BVKUSMaybe someday later on, you can get a bench style multimeter. It will add a bit of precision to your measurements but I have always wondered why I would care. So, I don't have one. It's kind of like "design with a micrometer, cut with an axe, grind to fit and paint to match". I'm just not into that much precision because there is seldom anything I can do about it.Thinking about all of the 5% or even 1% parts I use, what's the point of having 5 or 6 digits of readout?ETA: I just bought a DS1054Z and I like it a lot. It's a great scope!

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2016, 05:04:22 am
content: Uni-T UT139C less than $50. Its is a pretty good multimeter with OK input protection. Get two. Two OK meters are usually better than one super meter.Amprobe AM530 at around $55. Same as aboveAmprobe AM270 at around $110. Better built.Brymen BM235 or BM257s. Both great meters at slightly different prices.Brymen BM829S or BM867 at around $170. There are trade offs between them. Pick your poison.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2016, 06:12:45 am
content: I just ordered this todayhttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C3IQDE8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1because it can record dataThis and one of the Amprobes would be a good combo (I have one of these also)

author: BMack
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2016, 06:13:35 am
content: To be honest, it's hard to be happy with using other DMMs after you buy a Fluke 87V. The speed and features just make it hard to go back. It is heavy and large but it's all the meter you'll need and it will last a long time. Use that then keep an eye out for some deals on a backup, I just saw a 87V go on eBay for $160 plus shipping about two hours ago. I bought a 87III for $90 last week locally for a backup replacing my 115 backup which I hope to sell and recoup most of that money.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2016, 05:19:37 pm
content: Quote from: BMack on July 18, 2016, 06:13:35 am$160 for an used 87V and $90 for an used 87 III are good, below market prices.An used original Fluke 87 I would cost around $100 on ebay, craigslist, etc. The upside of the original is you get a good user and service manual with schematics. There are no schematics for the 87 III and 87V.Differences between all models are explained, somewhat, athttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/i-need-to-know-the-history-of-fluke-87-(-1998-2010-)/

author: poorchava
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2016, 07:08:03 pm
content: I'd say either Fluke 87V or Bremen 857a. I have the former at home and the latter at work and both are great meters with proven safety record.IIRC i paid the equivalent of about 130EUR for the used Fluke. Might be different where you live, though it's a pretty rare find here in Poland where I live (I can't see your country as I'm on Tapatalk).Sent from my HTC One M8s using Tapatalk.

author: ajo518
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2016, 11:11:50 pm
content: Im in the states so I can get just about any of these on the used market. I appreciate all of the suggestions!How concerned should I be about getting a used Meter?Also the Dave's Brymen meters have capacitance measurement right? Not a deal breaker, but nice to have...

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2016, 12:43:45 am
content: Quote from: ajo518 on July 18, 2016, 11:11:50 pmDid you check the spreadsheet ?

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2016, 12:51:40 am
content: Quote from: ajo518 on July 18, 2016, 11:11:50 pmYes, there is a capacitance measurement. It is combined with the diode measurement and you need to tap the SELECT button to get to the right function.I bought them primarily to support the cause (I have no idea if the add any support). My grandson is starting college as a potential EE so I need to get him tooled up.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2016, 02:43:20 am
content: Quote from: ajo518 on July 18, 2016, 11:11:50 pmLike buying anything used you should consider the following.1) Has it been used or abused?Some meters are abused (subjected to way too much current, energy, voltage, etc). The input protection components on the pcb may be bad, but won't be obviously blown.2) No warranty from manufacturer.Fluke will not honor any warranty on used meters. (* note n1 *)3) Check its condition.Assume the meter has been dropped. Check for cracks, broken plastic pieces (inside and out), etc.4) Verify everything is working.Test every function. For fuses, take them out of the meter and verify they are the proper HRC size and rating. I bought an used Fluke 87 locally and I tested the fuse as per manual. It wasn't until I got home that I found out my HRC fuse was a steel threaded bolt (* note n2 *).A member here sent me a real blown 440mA Bussmann fuse, but patched with a thin wire. He told me so and used it just for testing purposes. Thinking about this, I could easily take any blown fuse, solder a thin wire, turn it so the wire is on the bottom where you can't see the wire and try to sell this as working fuse inside a multimeter.5) Check to see if it is stolen.Flukes are very popular in the USA. With its eaisly spottable yellow holster, they sometimes grow legs and walk. The serial number should be on the back of the unit.*notes*n1) Fluke has issued a number of recalls on their handheld meters for safety reasons. They seem to be very generous if you call in and tell them you have a meter with a known safety issue and they will likely repair/replace your meter for free. Seehttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/multimeter-repair-time-again!-fluke-177-reads-8-ohms/n2) Seehttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/buying-used-multimeter-what-to-watch-for/

author: BMack
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2016, 04:42:55 am
content: Quote from: retiredcaps on July 18, 2016, 05:19:37 pmDefinitely, but they're available if you keep an eye out. Of course you should be suspicious if there are no good pictures. I've found some really good prices in pawn shops, most don't have a clue what they have or how to check them. Ask what their return policy is, some will allow a week for money back and some will give you 24 hours for store credit. Right now I can go to one pawn shop that has a Fluke 115 for $80, what they don't realize is the case and accessory kit that it comes with is worth more than the meter. I thought about buying it but I already have the leads and it would be my fifth Fluke DMM and seventh DMM. I need to sell some before I buy any more.BTW, great post about buying used meters.

author: Goodwill Hunting
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2016, 06:29:25 am
content: Check craigslist and local pawn shops for an 87v. I just got an 87v for $140 on craigslist.Having used cheaper DMMs and now having the 87v, I can say I wish I had gotten an 87v long ago.Don't forget resale value. No one wants a used, cheap DMM. A Fluke 87v will likely keep its value just fine. Even an original 87 goes for $100 regularly on ebay.

author: ajo518
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2016, 10:46:28 pm
content: Thanks guys! I appreciate all the tipsI'l probably keep an eye out for a good used fluke...Noob question: Is there anything I need to do to close the tread or anything?Thanks!

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2016, 10:50:09 pm
content: Quote from: ajo518 on July 19, 2016, 10:46:28 pmYou could change the title to  Multimeter to pair with DS1054Z, but it would be premature as others might have better suggestions.Plus, you might want to come back and tell us what you got and for how much?

author: ajo518
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2016, 03:23:25 pm
content: So I ended up with an 87v. I got it used off of ebay in very good condition for $230 which is a little more than I wanted to pay but only $25 more than a more worn one.This one also had the screen protector still on it and looks like it only saw a couple of uses.on a side note the wording on the probes was full of dirt that wouldn't come out with a brush or pick, so I threw them in an ultrasonic cleaner and the dirt came right out! After this success I decided to throw the case in too and it took out all of the marks on the case!I ended up with a good clean meter that I know I can depend on.

author: Muxr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2016, 03:32:13 pm
content: Quote from: ajo518 on August 14, 2016, 03:23:25 pmYup, they clean up real nice. I've picked up a number of used Fluke meters of Ebay and never had any issues with either. Usually when it comes to probes I buy new ones when I pick up a used multimeter, but that's because I like probes with fine tips for SMD components.