Siglent SDS800X - SCPI via USB ? - Page 1
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author: TomKatt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 10:56:45 am
content: I don't have wired network access at my bench - is it possible to access the SCPI or remote management pages via a simple USB connection between laptop and scope ?I seem to recall using some NI VISA driver or something with my SDS1104X-E before I got a WiFi dongle to get it on the network, but I can't recall how I did that now.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 11:38:42 am
content: https://www.siglenteu.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2024/02/SDS800XHD_Series_ProgrammingGuide_EN11F.pdfPage 18.Yelp if more help needed.

author: TomKatt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 11:46:10 am
content: Thanks!I believe that's how I connected to my SDS1104X-E before I had network access.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 01:21:28 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 05, 2024, 11:38:42 amAnother Siglent value added responseBest,

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 02:11:38 pm
content: Quote from: mawyatt on June 05, 2024, 01:21:28 pmYep, much better than "RTFM" -- which is not unheard of as a not-so-much-value-added response coming from the same circles.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 02:16:42 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 02:11:38 pmAnd what value did your snide comment add?

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 02:27:57 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on June 05, 2024, 02:16:42 pmWe can't all be members of the Siglent Mutual Back-Patting Society.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 02:34:22 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 02:27:57 pmNot in that society but guess from your perspective from Technical Kindergarten it might appear soBest,

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 02:50:40 pm
content: Quote from: mawyatt on June 05, 2024, 02:34:22 pmI think you are a worthy candidate for membership.Look, it's a reality unfortunately. We have this tightly knit group of very knowledgeable people, who can be very helpful indeed, but also have a tendency to fiercely defend "their" brand. Voicing a balanced opinion which acknowledges the strength of the products, but also points out some weaknesses (which may be more relevant to some, less to others) can be very difficult indeed in face of that group. It's "If you are not with us, you are against us"...And the fact that those people profusely thank each other for every post that restates their pro-Siglent opinions does get under my skin at times.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 02:56:41 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 02:27:57 pmSince I know you include me in that "name calling remark" group, I can speak for myself.I thank when I agree with the person, or when I thank them for something nice they did. Which reason is is usually obvious from context.Anybody can be on receiving end.I thanked Fungus, eTobey, Nico, you, and many others on many occasions. For a reason.Other times I didn't. For a reason.Maybe you can start by not calling people names and see if you get more pats yourself...

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 03:01:59 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 02:50:40 pmMore childish nonsense. We report the facts, plain and simple. Some people like to spout nonsense or ignorant opinions, and get defensive when people disagree with them. You're one of those people. There's plenty of things I've complained about regarding Siglent, and generally speaking, they fix stuff in a reasonable timeframe. Reporting positive experiences with a brand doesn't make a person biased if they're being honest.Once again, you're name calling and pushing snide and unhelpful opinions that don't add anything to the conversation. Despite your attitude, I don't have anything against you. Everybody on this website likes the gear they're accustomed to, unless their experience is terrible. I'm not sure what you have against this reality. I also don't have anything against the Siglent Hater's Club on a personal level. I just wish they'd stop flooding threads with off-topic opinions that do nothing to help OPs with their actual questions.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 03:13:17 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 05, 2024, 02:56:41 pmSorry if the back-patting designation offended you. I deliberately avoided another term which first came to mind, and used language I don't consider name-calling at all.One could construct a nice "sociogram" of the forum by drawing connections in proportion to the amount of mutual thanks -- and I am pretty sure that it would show some very pronounced little clusters. Nothing evil about that, if those people just happen to be of the same opinion often. But if those people also happen to visit certain threads and forum areas regularly, it can feel like they are "ganging up" whenever an unwelcome opinion is voiced.Thanks to KungfuJosh for illustrating my point.

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 03:14:14 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 02:50:40 pmIn the last months you have been very itchy with pro-Siglent users. I understand your arguments but you have been rallying behind any newbie that comes here with anti-Siglent thoughts just because. And what a 6k posts member ought to know is that things are not only black or white. Also, if you don't like that kind of opinions then don't go to these threads or disregard those members but what is, also, not needed is this continuing bashing.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 03:26:32 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 03:13:17 pmYou're welcome, but if your reading comprehension improves, you might realize it doesn't mean what you think it means. In this case, you're the antagonist. You came here with unhelpful, insulting, and snide remarks that added nothing to the conversation. Yet again, you are taking a conversation off-topic because of your attitude. You being called out on that somehow makes you think you've won something. There is no competition, and you should know better.Sorry @tv84, I liked your post, so now you're in our elite club. 🤯

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 03:32:01 pm
content: Quote from: tv84 on June 05, 2024, 03:14:14 pmPossibly true. I have spent more time than before in the Test Equipment section, in preparation of and then after buying two new scopes, and the behaviour pattern has gotten under my skin somewhat.QuoteNot true. I have supportedonerecent user at times who has found a surprising number of issues with his new scope -- by narrowing down and reproducing some of the problems, and sometimes by defending him against unwarranted "everything you say is rubbish" claims. I have also criticized him for incomplete and premature "bug" reports.QuoteBut that's exactly my point. I am in no way bashing Siglent scopes; I have returned my earlier Rigol purchase and bought a Siglent instead, and am happy with that decision. I have ackowledged the very knowledgeable Siglent experts here many times. But I have also discussed some scope aspects I consider weaknesses and bugs, and criticized some responses -- some black among the white.In contrast, I struggle to find posts from the Siglent supporters which ackwnowledge product weaknesses. Issues are too often denied flat out ("PEBKAC", "RTFM" etc.), or their significance is down-played when they get confirmed.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 03:47:06 pm
content: We don't have any product affiliation other than owning ($ from our pocket) mostly Siglent gear. Over our long career we've probably utilized more TE than most, and thus have some background, and select the best valued instrument for our needs.Also we generally don't bash or comment on things we don't have direct experience with, and since we have mostly Siglent gear by careful choice, we comment most on such. You can check our posts and how we complemented Rigol on their new 12 bit DHO814 DSO, or same for GS Instek GPP-4323, or Korad KWR103, all low end TE in same markets as Siglent. Also, you will find that were not that impressed with the Siglent SDM3065 as stated such.Honestly wish Rigol and others would have more knowledgeable folks commenting here, we have Paul from R&S but Keysight's Dan bailed out awhile back, so it seems that the Siglent folks here dominate thevaluablediscussions, especially wrt DSO/MSO with a few that have a Siglent alliance!However, the astute reader will quickly recognize such and can apply the valuable knowledge base to other brandsBest,

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 03:49:14 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 02:50:40 pmHehe,so here is the frustration.. Kudos for saying that. It needs a grown up man to say it openly. Good start.But what makes you so sure that what you consider "balanced opinion" is really balanced? There must be some self reflection involved in that process. Which you are capable of, looking into statement above.One thing that I repeated many times is that I try to strike REALISTIC opinions.On several occasions I advised that some efforts from users to go into some details should be abandoned because they are waste of time. And explained why.Which was immediately attacked as censorship, "fanboy defense" etc...While that was done for their benefit.I just wanted people not waste their time on something that is realistically not going to happen.No, car manufacturer won't put all the fancy equipment and sports leather seat in their cheapest car.Especially after you bought a product.You simply have to pay more and get more upscale model if you want major upgrades.Yes they might refresh multimedia system with new software, enhance algorithm how car shifts gears making it smoother and spend 3% less fuel. They might even enhance program in ECU to get few HP more on engine. Stuff like that. But don't expect them to rip the engine out and interior and all equipment and replace them with ones from upscale model on you next oil change and for free...I'm talking about wild fantasies of our ecstatic friend here that wants literally everything changed on scope to suit what he thinks is right. Without properly learning to use the damn thing in a first place. He literally is not qualified to make judgements what is right or wrong with the instrument he doesn't know how to use. I'm talking basic knowledge here, like Nyquist. OR what is the Time Base. Or endless talk about all kinds of stupid little details.Bugs are bugs and should be fixed. I personally reported more bugs over the years than all you critics combined. To Siglent but also to Keysight, Rigol, Picoscope etc....But some are just using this as a personal "look at me!!" show. They are not doing it to fix anything but to attract attention. Otherwise they would open a ticket with Siglent. Remember those? The uncool, not egotistic, non public, non "look at me!!" way of actually reporting bugs to manufacturer to ask for a fix. These should be first line of defence. And only when you get rudely ignored or denied your rights you go public. Why Keysight, R&S or any other manufacturer deserves that, except Siglent? Is that from the lack of respect? General rudeness? Which is my reason for calling certain person rude and abrasive.See , THAT is my trigger... Because it isnot what you claimthat revealswho you are and what your intentions are, butwhat you do is real truth...And there comes you, with obvious soft spot for "the underdog" (yes I can easily spot one, I am also like that), and then decide that obnoxious, rude and abrasive egotistical maniac that screams for attention is that one that is "gang attacked" and needs protection..It is quite the opposite direction. He is the one that is abusing us all here. Did you really "eat up" his fake apology?Look at his behaviour since that apology. He is equally rude and abrasive as before, he still creates millions of unnecessary topics and posts. He is still uncapable of creating normal bug report, but starts always with "This unbelievable bug will frustrate you to no end" post and separate topic for that single thing, that ends up being most of the time him not RTFM. And sometimes after you, me and two others argue with him (repeating same old like 100 times before) how we don't even understand what is he talking about, eventually we manage to squeeze some info that actually points to a real problem.But his SNR is right now literally 25-30dB.. And in meantime he offends me, and you and few other people.Yes all of that is because I'm Siglent shill. Not.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 03:59:30 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 03:32:01 pmThose are the keywords right there. There are plenty of posts with users (including myself) discussion issues with Siglent scopes. I've complained about the previous screenshot bug a million times (which was corrected in the recently released and then unreleased firmware for the sds2k+ update that they should have released by now - oh shit, did I just complain about Siglent???).No offense to the other user you referenced, but a lot of what he complains about really is PEBKAC errors. He incorrectly connects a scope to an AWG and then is surprised by them functioning oddly, as any more experienced user would expect given the poor setup. No device works better than the way it's setup. However, that's not the big issue with him. The bigger issue was that he got exceptionally defensive and insulting to any member that asked him to clarify his setup, or tried to understand the situation better. It got to the point where he himself felt the need to post a thread apologizing for his toxic behavior...which he still continued after posting that thread. Granted, he did get a little better over time, but it's very frustrating for other members to get attacked when actually trying to help. That's not a Siglent fanboy club thing, that's a be kind to people thing, or they don't tend to respond kindly.ETA: Essentially what 2N3055 said, but he said it better. 😉

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 04:10:32 pm
content: Thank you for taking the time for a comprehensive reponse, 2N3055. Much appreciated.Yes, there may be a component of "siding with the underdog" at times -- after feeling like the odd one out myself in some earlier Siglent discussions, up against that closely knit group of Siglent defenders. I agree with your criticism of many aspects of eTobey's early bug reports, and have asked him for more detail and diligence and for a more measured approach more than once. But again, I also think that he has found an impressive number of real issues in a short time, and has not gotten credit for that.If you re-read his (fewer) posts from the last couple of weeks, you may find that he has toned down his approach and become more factual. In parallel, I feel like your reactions to him have become louder recently, to be honest. Which I can understand -- having just decribed in the prior posts how repeated exposure to certain behaviours has probably made me more irritable too...You mentioned "submitting a ticket to Siglent" as an alternative. I think that it is a good approach to first validate a potential issue by asking others in the forum about it. But if one wanted to submit a ticket directly to Siglent, how would one go about it? A ticket system accessible to a closed group of beta testers only was mentioned here once -- is there another one which is available to the general public?

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 04:36:35 pm
content: well getting back into the main subjectto the OP witch seems to be silent : to use a wi-fi dongle, it is an option to be enabled in some scope models $$$ or free lolland thru USB you have the big Keysight visa package / I/O librairiesOR the RS Visa package .... light and do the job perfectly with all the Siglents connected to my computer

author: TomKatt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 05:29:31 pm
content: The SDS800X HD series doesn't offer the WiFi dongle (yet), which is why I asked. I downloaded the NI-VISA software and will either use that over USB or just set my scope up downstairs near my router to perform the 'upgrade' tweaks. The NI-VISA worked fine for my old SDS1104X-E, but when I didn't see the NI driver listed on the Siglent support page I figured I'd ask.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 05:36:50 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on June 05, 2024, 04:10:32 pmI gave him a chance.He might be more polite to you (because the sees you as an "ally" at this time) but he is still same to me.So I reverted to my original opinion. And attitude to him.Like I said, he found some problems, that would be found anyways , and some were already in the works in Siglent by the time. Without going too much into details, in the end he found 4-5 issues that were original. Compare that with the amount of work you personally had to put in to "heard him in" to actually extract that information. And few others. And amount of posts and ohhh the draaamaaa....S/N ratio is horrifying and behaviour histrionic. And I don't like that. Simple as that."submitting a ticket to Siglent" is a phrase. Sorry for being imprecise. You report a problem, it gets confirmed, and Siglent creates internal ticket for it. I shortened the sentence a bit. Basically you report, ticket ensues from it.Simply reporting to Siglent support is what it is.But reporting it here is just fine too. But like normal people do. I won't repeat here how. Several people (including you and other "Non Siglentians") explained it dozens of times. And no stupid TikTok titles and text.Then some of the users of same scope and/or beta guys confirm it or not. If not further investigation might be needed.Once problem is confirmed and Siglent can reproduce it process goes on.Many times Tautech reports it to Siglent, for instance..But you have to be able to reproduce problem to be able to fix it.I only posted this because there were questions open.I would very much like to get back to discussing scope topics if this is OK.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 05:42:26 pm
content: Quote from: TomKatt on June 05, 2024, 05:29:31 pmOur friend Tautech is rooting hard for WiFi dongle. But ultimately it will be Siglents decision.I personally don't like the idea of WiFI dongle spraying all kinds of RF while measuring..SD800xHD has more BW and ADC with much more BW than SDS1000X-E.If WiFi didn't bother older brother, it doesn't have to be that safe for 800xHD....External mini router is safer bet in my opinion, at least you can move it left and right to minimize influence if you observe some...

author: TomKatt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 05:57:38 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 05, 2024, 05:42:26 pmI hope he roots hard for the Data Logger as well !!! I personally found that quite useful on the SDS1104X-E, as I do not own a multimeter interface.Hopefully these features are missing because Siglent was trying to get the new scopes out on the shelves.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 07:55:54 pm
content: Quote from: TomKatt on June 05, 2024, 05:57:38 pmData logger is not part of touchscope series. Will they add it, I honestly don't know.But I understand it is useful to some people.They have it on new series of handheld portable scopes though.