Wun Hung Lo - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 08:33:01 pm
content: To keep theModeration reportsthread on-topic, I would like to continue the bit about the "One Hung Low"(or rather"Wun Hung Lo") phrase and other expressions here.Quote from: wilfred on September 06, 2015, 08:55:37 amPersonally, I find the expression funny, and no more than that. I don't attribute any more meaning to it than a reference to poor quality items made in Asia as I'm sure originally was the intention.When looking at some expressions in the English language with the word "Dutch" in them (usually referring to us being cheapskates) I can only smile because some of them are actually not totally unfounded. Good products come from China, sadly also bad or extremely bad products do too...I don't think we should take these kinds of expressions too seriously and I wouldn't ask anyone to stop using them as long as they're not abused.What do you think?

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 08:56:51 pm
content: You shouldn,t because Dutch was the english word for Diets in the middle ages and whole germany,holland and belgium fell into the Diets speaking countrieshttps://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diets

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 08:57:00 pm
content: Mist amateur radio operators in the US are acquainted with the term "Rice Box" it referred to gear made in Japan that was marginally engineered, and used cheap parts. such as pot metal screws (YES they exist).Calling a spade a spade is not hate speech.If it is Crap; call it what it is, shame them into making a better quality product; it worked for the Japanese.Now the best made amateur radio gear comes from Japan, some from the US, the stuff made in China is a distant third place.Enough with the Politically Correct crap already.

author: continuo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 09:44:26 pm
content: Not exactly real racing carshttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ricer

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 09:47:41 pm
content: I've never heard the term "rice boys"

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 09:47:51 pm
content: Got to love the Aussie sense of humor.http://www.ziggy.com.au/funny%20graphics%2002.htm

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 09:53:04 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 06, 2015, 09:29:31 pmAny racism you may think is expressed may only be your perception.In this country we have all kinds of words that could have double meaning. The idea of "self censoring" or getting all paranoid about what language one uses is counter to our most cherished freedom.Tolerance extends to giving the benefit of the doubt to the persons whom we converse with.QuoteWords do not harm, they cannot bruise, maim cut or brake bones, among adults they are harmless.Words must be used with caution around, and at children there they can do damage.QuoteI have to say this, and i mean it with kindness; what kind of life have you lived that has led to you being in a place where you are so intolerant of what people say?I am a second wave feminist and you have to get fairly abusive before I cry out.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 09:56:17 pm
content: Quote from: Deathwish on September 06, 2015, 09:47:51 pmThat's Great.We have a bakery here in Southern Kalifornia called the Bimbo Bakery.And I laugh every time I see their trucks.

author: krish2487
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 09:56:27 pm
content: Neither is calling a texan a "redneck" or all americans "Obese"I am not one for being always politically correct, but I don't have to have the subtlety of a blunt hammer to talk, converse or just communicate.Quote from: AF6LJ onTodayat 06:57:00 AM

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:00:18 pm
content: Quote from: krish2487 on September 06, 2015, 09:56:27 pmThe Rednecks I have known were smarter than the average city dude.I lived in Texas for a time and enjoyed every minute of is. Also lived in central Oregon with hillbillies like my brother.I would add the term Redneck has a long and honorable heritage.

author: krish2487
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:03:20 pm
content: I am sure it is a nice place with nice people, but the point I am trying to make is not everyone conforms to a stereotype.Labelling people on the basis of age, race, ethnicity, geography, is at best juvenile fun.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:08:58 pm
content: Quote from: krish2487 on September 06, 2015, 10:03:20 pmI understand the point you are making, still people should take words with little or no value when it comes to this stuff.Look at how much flack I get when I comment on people using profanity.It is the same thing really, and I recognize that, while I have admitted to looking down my nose at people who use what I consider to be excessive amounts of profanity I look the other way when the occasional four letter words escapes someone's mouth. The same holds true for those newly classified words as "hate speech or racism".Is it racist for me to say there is a brown bag sitting on my stove, because there is one?

author: krish2487
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:15:37 pm
content: None at all,I ll admit that I too occasionally let the 4 lettered words dictate my speech but only when assisted by a hammer or a generous dose of electricity.The conversation is perfectly fine as long as (justified or otherwise) the intended parties don't take offense to it. We have entered an age where, sadly, the tolerance of people has come down - All in the name of being tolerant!!!

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:16:53 pm
content: ...and let's not even get started with the resistor color code ....."That's cactus"Enough with the Politically Correct crap already

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:17:40 pm
content: QuoteWell here on the west coast I've heard them called rice rockets, and it's a complement.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:19:18 pm
content: many years ago when i kept bee's I once knew a brilliant woman called Golly Sturt from Newbury, I also knew a lot of people who used to call her merely "G" because of the stupidity of political correctness , She died a while back now from a brain tumor but she was an awesome person.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:21:30 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on September 06, 2015, 10:17:40 pmYeahhh......eeee...not alwaysLike the word "genius", when a father ask his daughter: "What is your genius husband up to nowdays?".

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:32:19 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on September 06, 2015, 10:17:40 pmAround here 'rice boy' is a person that pimps his car for the *appearance* of performance, even if it actually makes the car slower. Compare this with a 'race boy' that modifies his car to actually go faster.As for the quality of Chinese products, in most cases they are definitely of lower quality than similar let's say German or Japanese.We should look at reality as is, no need to distort it with political agenda.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:36:17 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on September 06, 2015, 10:17:40 pmI never thought of that as being negative.Then again I have always thought of it in relation to the term used for those Japnise motorcycles that had insane horsepower to weight ratio that would do 170MPH and above.My grandfather owned a Crotch Rocket that could do 180MPH. It was made for the track but my uncle took it out on I-80 and almost messed his pants when the speedo climbed up to 160 in a heartbeat, He chickened out and came home...

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:39:10 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on September 06, 2015, 10:32:19 pmLike I pointed out earlier;Japan went through this stage in it's evolution. Give China ten years and then look out.They have a much larger brain trust to draw from than the rest of the world.There is a company in India that makes a first rate software defined radio, competes with the top US brand and is half the price.Gotta love Apache Labs. and the ANAN line of radios.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:46:56 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 06, 2015, 10:40:50 pmNot always;I use to smoke cigarettes rolled with rice paper.I use to roll them myself.How is that racist when the actual paper was made from rice.You cannot make that kind of generalization, that is why I was appealing to you to be more tolerant of what people say.Geeeze..I guess I shouldn't mention my roommate needs to get her Tranny lubed.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:53:39 pm
content: A "ricer" is someone who mods Japanese import cars for speed (or the appearance of being fast). Think The Fast and The Furious, only with less Vin Diesel and more NAAWWSS.A "crotch rocket" is the name for any sport bike, used in a derogatory fashion by assholes with too much money (aka Harley riders).The term "ricer" isn't racist, since it's directed at a car, which is incapable of being offended, because it is an inanimate object you see.As for "crotch rocket", it can be a very apt term for a sport bike. I remember a guy in my Motorcycle Safety Class, when asked what bike he was going to get (his first bike, mind you), replied that he had put a down payment on a Hyabusa. Everyone just looked at him and the instructor, who is an EMT remarked that he looked forward to scraping him off the pavement one day soon. A month later the guy was dead; hit a barricade on the interstate doing 180MPH.Sent from my Tablet

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:54:20 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 06, 2015, 10:39:10 pmI don't think anybody suggested that their quality will never go up.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:55:53 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 06, 2015, 10:40:50 pmWe all have our opinion on what is deemed "racist" and what isn't. None of us are the authority what is racist. What you might consider racism, I might consider PC or even humorous.If I happen to offend you, or someone else, I'll apologise, but I won't necessarily retract what I said or change my opinion on what I consider to be racism or offensive. I get called all sorts of things by people who know me but I'm fairly thick skinned and I'm not bothered.I don't consider "Wun Hung Lo" to be racist at all and being the person that I am, I don't think I'd be offended if I were Asian either.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:57:42 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 06, 2015, 10:48:01 pmThat depends, do I have a gun? Does the mugger have a gun? Is it just one mugger or two? How big is he? Is he just taking a woman's purse or is he forcing her into a dark alley?Sent from my Tablet

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 11:00:18 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 06, 2015, 10:48:01 pmFor fuck sake, no one's talking about mugging but words!He means, always think the best of people. Fair enough, if someone says something blatantly racist (i.e. gas all Jews) make it clear to them but if they say a word which could be considered a bit offensive, stop and think about whether they actually intended any offence. In short, try to assume the best of intentions, rather than the worst.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 11:01:08 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 06, 2015, 10:48:01 pmI'll address this and then I am done with you.First;I don't ignore people being mugged, I have been mugged myself more than once, and after the second time I empowered myself and sent the next three running. OH and the last one was stupid enough to have his girlfriend with him, he was going to beat up the ugly old woman to show her what kind of a man he was.When I finally finished beating his face into the sidewalk; the only reason I stopped is because his girlfriend begged me to do so. He and his girlfriend didn't walk away they ran.In answer to your second question.I have little patience for those such as yourself who are intolerant of the language others use.You think it empowers you, no it doesn't it shows a lack of respect for the basic freedom all of us were born with. In a free country this kind of disrespect for freedom of speech is shunned and even occasionally laughed at out loud.Time to move on; there are more constructive things to discuss.Perhaps you should meditate on why words effect you the way they do.May Piece be with you..You are now on my ignore lise.

author: Chris C
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 11:02:02 pm
content: Recently I told someone he should consider the rating of a product optimistic, because it was Chinese.And that's not entirely accurate, because pretty much everything is made in China, good and bad alike.But there was a common and absolute understanding what I meant. It was because the product was made by a company whose name was meaningless. It might have been "Sparkletek", or "Samyo" (not Sanyo, though the similarity is intentional). And the same module might be available from a half-dozen other companies, all too transient to care about quality or any reputation their names might accumulate over time.Yet some would take offense, because they believe using "Chinese" in this context infers that all Chinese people/products fall under a negative stereotype. So what to do?I could describe the product as something so blantantly racist, like "wun hung lo", that any sensible reader would infer that I'm using it to refer only to something that actually meets the stereotype.I could simply say "Sparkletek is crap", but then meaning is lost. A reader might believe I've used that exact product, and pick the Samyo instead, or some other similarly crappy product; gaining nothing in the process.In fact there is nothing I can do, short of regularly typing out the full explanation above, to accurately transmit the meaning that the single word "Chinese" already provides - without offending an overly sensitive few.But I've got better things to do. I want to have a beer with my Japanese neighbor, who has a "rice car", and calls it such. Then later, hopefully eat a Bimbo:And if that doesn't work out, I guess I'll spend the night banging on my Wang:Personally, I love the fact that words and phrases have multiple meanings. If someone gets hung up on one meaning, and is offended by it, that is adeliberate choice on their part. And is not my problem.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 11:12:46 pm
content: Quote from: Chris C on September 06, 2015, 11:02:02 pmNice Wang! I'd love to have a play with it. ;-)

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 11:16:06 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on September 06, 2015, 11:12:46 pmWhen I was in College I played with an older Wang all the time. I had a ball..

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 11:27:16 pm
content: I hope we are done...I'm going to the Zoo.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 11:42:55 pm
content: Quote from: Chris C on September 06, 2015, 11:02:02 pmHere in Canada we have something yummier to eatCanadian Blend, mind you.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 11:57:16 pm
content: Quote from: DimitriP on September 06, 2015, 11:27:16 pmAwwwLook at the kitty.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:09:29 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 06, 2015, 11:01:08 pmWTF! Why do you call yourself ugly old woman? Please improve that self-esteem!I'm sure you think yourself about being a lot uglier than you really are. I know it perfectly, it happened to me.Never underestimate yourself, please. Fuck off those bastards that mine your motivation and destroy your mood! I'm working on it and it's difficult to me, but I'm moving forward at my own pace and weird wayQuote from: AF6LJ on September 06, 2015, 11:16:06 pmDid you like old wangs in college and played with them? Were you studying at a catholic school?Where's that ball come from and what happened to it?You are making me very intrigued!

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:29:28 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 06, 2015, 10:36:17 pmSounds like my son. I helped him buy a new motorcycle-Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R. When I helped him, I asked him to be smart about riding it, even though he has ridden for years and has owned sport bikes in the past. He confessed to me after about 6 months that he took it out onto I-4 to see what it could do, 165 MPH, still 4K RPM to redline and he said he backed it off and rode the speed limit home. I love it when my son learns his own lessons without help from me.By the way, his bike will exceed 200 MPH without doing any of the track mods available for it. Now that he is a newlywed (1 year next month) he is thinking about trading it for a cruiser to be kinder to his wife.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:30:11 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 07, 2015, 02:09:29 amIn all seriousness my self esteem is fine. I am in decent shape for someone who is as old as I am, (old enough to be Dave's mother)The ugly old woman remark was in reference to something the last attacker said before I decided it was time to really hurt him.QuoteNever went to a privite school, the Old Wang was a Wang 2200 that shared a disk unit and a printer with several other old Wang 2200s. Cool machine all discreet TTL chips and it ran Wang Basic, each unit had it's own tape drive. Not bad for a machine out of 1974.The college had them up for sale back in 1995, I thought about buying one just for grins and giggles but they wanted over $1200.00 a piece for them. Forget That. When I am in the mood there is a working Kpro-484 in the garage. It is not a Wang; but you know what they say......

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:34:16 am
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on September 07, 2015, 02:29:28 amI have friends who still ride, even around my age, I always worry a little; they have good judgment it's the idiot drivers doing stupid things that worry me. Just tell your son to not sell that bike to any of his friends, that way if the next owner does something stupid on it and has to pay the price he will be guilt free and still have all his friends.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 03:07:41 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 07, 2015, 02:30:11 amOf great! I'm very happy to know it! I'm still not as lucky in that shit long story.Quote from: AF6LJ on September 07, 2015, 02:30:11 amI just made a stupid twisted joke about catholic priests in schools and such shit. It's unfortunately quite common, so it's widely used dark humor.Kaypro? From the DMM inventor? Is that an improved Kaypro 4? Amazing! I'm totally insanely obsessed with retrocomputing at even participating at expositions, despite being even younger than Dave. I'm a vintage lover by all means too (and a BTTF, Tron... fanboy too), old movies and music too.I'm bored about the anxious masculinity in technology, it makes me puke and get into an aggressing bullying testosterone environment most of the time. I'm also not a neurotypical guy and have a weird soft personality, despite my rude look and movements.It's pathetic in classrooms, really. I wish there were more women in this field. I'm sure you are a very strong hardcore geek warrior, someone to be proud to know and a great role model!Show photos of your Kaypro 484, please! I would kill to use and play with one of these machines!

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 04:30:47 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 07, 2015, 03:07:41 amActually the Kpro-484 belongs to my roommate She has a bunch of stuff piled on top of it right now.That's not a bad idea, dig it out and do a teardown, It would be the second time that machine has let its unseen parts out into the light of day.I have always been the unhappy Bi*ch in school, I had only made a few friends.I have one friend from that period of time, I don't do relationships, they always end up turning bad. So after the first no more, I like my independence.Life is too short to get all wrapped up with someone who ends up wanting to change you, control your life and gets all Co-Dependent on you.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 06:06:09 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 06, 2015, 10:40:50 pmMojo, if you can't stand the heat keep out of this thread. I'll monitor it thank you and decide what is appropriate or not!As for the quality of chinese products it is dictated by one thing: whatwewant to pay for it and what theimporterexpects to pay for it. Until china man up and say no to crap and get some self respect they will always produce garbadge when asked to or when they think it is acceptable. most of tyhe high quaity goods you paid good momey for will have been made in china, but they were made for the right price.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 06:37:15 am
content: Mojo, the Japanese, and Asia as a whole, do eat and produce a metric shit ton of rice. That's one of reasons stomach cancer is much more common in Asian countries. There's a difference between a stereotype and a fact about a culture.To be a stereotype it has to be derogatory. There's nothing inherently wrong with rice being a staple of your diet. (Which is why I've never understood the "black people and watermelons/fried chicken" thing; both are delicious foods.)Besides, saying "ricer" is actually a homophobic slur. How? Well, everybody knows that Rice-A-Roni is the San Francisco treat. Besides street trollies and the cast of Full House, what else is San Fran famous for? That's right, gays. (Fun Fact: The SF city seal is a pink triangle on a rainbow flag, with a bear wearing leather and a red ball gag.)QED.Sent from my Tablet

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 08:11:01 am
content: A ricer is a kitchen tool.http://www.clasohlson.com/medias/sys_master/8873011544094.jpg

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 08:20:34 am
content: "you lot" as in "you people" as in "your kind"?Yeah...funny how that works....Are you stereotyping professions now ?Geez, I wish this thread would get locked and the key lost.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 08:50:59 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 07, 2015, 07:55:48 amMojo, sorry mate, you usually have some pretty good input on this forum but I think this topic seems to press a few buttons with you. I get it, you see certain terms as racist. At the end of the day, certain words and terms are offensive to certain people. What you might find racist or offensive, I might not. Who's to say your opinion is more correct than mine (or vice versa)?It's all subjective and no one is the authority on this. I have friends who are gay who get called all the names under the sun, are they offended? Not usually no. Does it make it "right" no, of course it doesn't, but to them those terms aren't offensive (especially since they use it themselves). The best we can do is find middle-ground in that we are who we are and if we hurt someone's feelings we apologise and be human about it. It's a bit like saying "shit" or "fuck", not the best choice of words, but not necessarily offensive to all hearing it.I'm sure we can all be grown ups and respect each others opinions, no matter what you might think personally.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 09:49:48 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on September 07, 2015, 08:50:59 amTo the point of him being temporarily banned for it (as well as reported by many for it), and then he asked to have all his posts removed because he'd have enough.Someone even posted a thread polling if he should be banned or not.He revels in this stuff and will not let up on the topic.This thread will only go downhill, I'm sure of it, someone give me a good reason why it shouldn't be locked?

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:00:41 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 07, 2015, 09:49:48 amNope, lock it. It has been done before. I'm not accusing anyone in particular, but it's just one of those touchy subjects that should remain private I think. Very few can actually be constructive with such things in my opinion. Back to the geek speak... by the way, 21st October 2015 nears *excited*

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:14:17 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on September 07, 2015, 10:00:41 amI tried to book an huge cinema for the trilogy marathon, but Universal have vetoed the titles for the entire month of October. Exclusive deal with Hoyts

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:21:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 07, 2015, 10:14:17 amCheck your PM's. ;-)

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:36:56 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 07, 2015, 10:33:30 am

author: MikeW
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:49:39 am
content: You must have a serious sense of humour deficiency to get funny about something as mild as 'Wun Hung Lo'If someone started saying stuff like 'greasy yellow slopes' then you might have a but more of a point.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 11:03:04 am
content: It is wise to be wary that terms used on an international forum can in some countries be regarded as derogatory, but are not in others.I work with an Aussie who, when he first came over to the UK, used the term "wog" referring in a non-derogatory way to a Greek person. He was pretty soon put right that not only is the meaning different in the UK, it also carries pretty much the same gravity as the N word.The same applied to the Aussie use of the word "Paki" which certainly even quite recently was in common use in a non-derogatory way in broadcast cricket commentary down under for example, although I would imagine this has changed now. In the UK, the same word has been unacceptable for as long as I can remember.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 11:35:10 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 07, 2015, 10:33:30 amOh no, the guy starts talking to himself...

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 11:40:54 am
content: Quote from: Howardlong on September 07, 2015, 11:03:04 amThere is no "gravity" in the N-word, because N's use the N-word all the time.The "offended" ones are simply self-victimising, and will soon find another word/expression to self-victimise, search attention, search trouble.It's racist that non-N's get instantly punished for using the N-word, and N's can do it openly.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 11:52:57 am
content: The way some people go on you'd think that there's only white English speakers who make fun of how other languages sound or throw pseudo racist remarks about people of other nationalities and racial groups around while not really meaning any offence, that is simply not the case. They are neither the only real racists in the world or the worse at it. I'm sure Mojo-Chan if he was being honest could back up how insular and casually racist both the Japanese and Chinese can be and I bet he doesn't dare give them lectures about it all the time.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 12:05:00 pm
content: Guys, leave off Mojo. Let's chop it up to a bad day. Dave, Simon, this isn't going anywhere.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 12:21:26 pm
content: Quote from: Galenbo on September 07, 2015, 11:40:54 amWhile I understand the sentiment, practically speaking no-one in their right mind I know would use the term in common day to day parlance irrespective of creed, colour, religion or preferred choice of underwear.Equally, I don't engage in the same choice of language on a public forum that I might when in the pub with a few mates.That doesn't mean that there aren't certain scenarios where it's deemed reasonable to use in conversation, although I can't foresee that personally speaking I'd be in a position for doing so unless I was asking for trouble,

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 12:28:56 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 06, 2015, 09:56:17 pmHere, a Bimbo Bakery is a tanning salon (where a lady can go to get painted orange...) 😂

author: DenzilPenberthy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:27:44 pm
content: For what it's worth I don't like seeing thinly veiled racism on here. I fully support Mojo's point of view in this thread and others.If Dave and the moderators are interested in improving the quality of this forum than perhaps they'd like to direct their bans etc to those who are complaining like spoiled children that they can't be mean to people any more because of 'PC gone mad'.I don't really want to get drawn into a discussion about it, I just want to register my point of view.

author: MikeW
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:31:50 pm
content: Quote from: DenzilPenberthy on September 07, 2015, 02:27:44 pmSo I'm sure you have never laughed at an irishman joke then.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:37:37 pm
content: Quote from: DenzilPenberthy on September 07, 2015, 02:27:44 pmI don't really want to get drawn into a discussion about it, I just want to register my point of view that the world is flat.

author: DenzilPenberthy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:44:03 pm
content: A useful thought experiment in these situations is to picture yourself saying your hilarious joke that's totally not racist in front of a group of people you've only recently met which includes some members of the race in question.If I was talking to a group of people who are not close friends and there was an Irish person there, I wouldn't feel comfortable telling my hilarious joke about the two Irishmen and their two pigs.Similarly I work with several Chinese people and I wouldn't feel comfortable using the term 'Wun Hung Lo' or 'rice boy' (seriously WTF) within earshot of them.

author: MikeW
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:45:41 pm
content: So if I tell my racist joke in the forest and no one is there to hear it? Am I still a racist and is that ok?

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:45:50 pm
content: Quote from: Galenbo on September 07, 2015, 11:40:54 amI couldn't have said it better...

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:57:39 pm
content: Quote from: DenzilPenberthy on September 07, 2015, 02:27:44 pmThis becomes a race to the bottom soon nobody will be able to talk about anything.You cannot enforce political correctness without it becoming an ever tightening noose around the necks of those who wish to exchange ideas views or otherwise engage in conversation.Everyone Lighten up and be tolerant to those whom don't see the world through the same microscope you do.It is only words for Christ's Sake.

author: DenzilPenberthy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 02:58:45 pm
content: Quote from: MikeW on September 07, 2015, 02:45:41 pmMy point is that if your joke or phrase fails the thought experiment test then you should be thinking very carefully about if and when to use it (probably not on a public forum).There exist a concept called 'context' which may mean that a racist joke with a close friend of a different race who enjoys trading banter is obviously not racist but the same joke told in the beer tent at a neo-nazi rally very probably is.I will not be posting any more replies to this thread.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 03:01:15 pm
content: Quote from: DenzilPenberthy on September 07, 2015, 02:44:03 pmI would not discuss atheism with devoted religious people but this doesn't make atheism racist.Your everything-that-offends-somebody-must-be--hateful approach is exactly what PC means.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 03:04:05 pm
content: Quote from: MikeW on September 07, 2015, 02:45:41 pmThe Central Scrutinizer will have it on file.Frank I miss you.

author: MikeW
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 03:06:16 pm
content: I'd be quite happy to say wun hung lo in front of an Asian person, regardless of how long I had known them for.It's a little play on words, not a statement of hate towards their culture.If that offended them then that's their problem.I'm white and can laugh at jokes made about white people.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 03:25:32 pm
content: Quote from: DenzilPenberthy on September 07, 2015, 02:44:03 pmAnd I work with some Indian people who don't mind if I take the piss out of Indians. In fact one of them disagrees with all the PC bullshit and in many respects preferred how it was in the 70s when racist jokes were fine. Of course he doesn't like racism but PC has just made it worse in many respects.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 03:44:42 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on September 07, 2015, 03:01:15 pmDon't worry, "rice boy" is an invention of mojo-chans own making he claims is common parlance in the UK. Believe me I've heard them all but never "rice boy". Normally "chink" is used. The whole rice thing is an americanism, something to do with japanese imported cars in the USA (DSM cars). It is clearly a play on words "racer" to "ricer". A car is a "ricer" if its an import covered in bling and at least 3 aftermarket company decals on the side windows. Normally used to refer to a shit cheap version with pretend turbo sound, etc. Of course the driver is also a ricer too.There is nothing wrong with Won Hung Lo, etc. It is very common for owners of chinese restaurants to play with pinyin words too. I can't forget a restaurant called Ho Lee Fook. My own chinky (that is common dialect for a take away restaurant - not kebabs, but fish and chips and chinese dishes) is called Woks Cooking. Hahaha - a chinese cooking utensil, oh how racist!

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 04:16:14 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on September 06, 2015, 08:56:51 pmThanks for the link, but it wasn't about the word "Dutch" in itself, rather expressions with the word, e.g. "Dutch treat" or "go Dutch".

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 04:37:11 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 07, 2015, 03:44:42 pmFrom the internet:Quote

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 04:44:53 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 07, 2015, 02:27:06 pmCan I say good ridance ?

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 04:48:13 pm
content: Quote from: jitter on September 07, 2015, 04:16:14 pmOh I don't know, these Batteriser tech videos with that clever fat nerd guy, I'm sure they are right, but it's all double-dutch to me

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 04:53:50 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on September 07, 2015, 04:49:27 pmHaha, that whinging pom limey Simon being schooled in English by a chink!

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 04:57:28 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 07, 2015, 02:27:06 pmChildish to the end...

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 05:18:12 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on September 07, 2015, 03:30:19 pmAll the people I personally know bash their own race and group-religion. But none of them likes the way their so-said-race-reprensentatives are shown up on TV to play victim of whatever.And I personally know Gay and Lesbian couples too. Last when I was invited they told me a joke how Lesbians grow old, but the end was really too messy, I somewhat forced myself over my limit to lough about their joke. Nice evening.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 05:22:33 pm
content: Quote from: DenzilPenberthy on September 07, 2015, 02:58:45 pmOh no, the Mojo guy is back again...Quote from: zapta on September 07, 2015, 04:57:28 pmAs if somebody cares if his "contributions" in old treads still are here or not...Quote from: mojo-chan on September 07, 2015, 02:27:06 pmHis political-correct-post-generation software still isn't ready to be distributed.

author: cimmo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 05:25:38 pm
content: Does this story fit here?http://shanghaiist.com/2015/09/06/fake_paper_rice.php

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 06:00:47 pm
content: Being politically correct... to me it just meanspretendingto be correct by altering one's use of language while actually going on as usual.When I hear the term politically correct, I think about the language they make police officers use nowadays.Some/many of you may be familiar with the UK police series "A Touch of Frost". One of the episodes deals with this politically corrrect languange and it's this passage that I find hilarious (from 1:10:38):QuoteThose familiar with this series will know that the main character isn't anywhere near politically correct in his behaviour but that his heart is in the right place. And that's also how I'd like to think of Dave's use of certain expressions.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 06:11:05 pm
content: Those were funny Zapata.The real wing is just way too rich.That thing would get ripped off the car just before it hit 70MPH if it could.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 06:33:10 pm
content: Well the whole racial debate is incredible difficult. That which one group sees as harmless can be offensive to another. That which seems political correct is not.To show an example, a dutch newspaper did a bookreview and posted a sentence with the N word (so I do not offend any one) out of the book as the headline of the article.It was before publishing reviewed by the editors, they saw no problem. Two days after publishing there was no problem, so no-one in the Netherlands had a problem.Then some american newspaper picked it up, and wrote that it was a rediculous racist headline (a quote from the book for peetsake). So then all hell broke loose.http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/08/13/dutch-newspaper-uses-n-word-in-headline-of-review-of-ta-nehisi-coatess-new-book/So to review a book or movie one should be aware not to quote the author so not to be judged as racistPersonally I do not understand that americans dare to use a term like afro-american?That can never be political correct in our country? To me it sounds like an afro-american is different than a standard american?How stupid. So to be not racist in the USA everyone should then also use terms like dutch-americans, irish-americans, italian-americans, polish-americans?But it doesn't seem that those terms are used. But another term, native americans and mexicans are used, or are they called mexican-americans?I don't get it that it looks like only groups of people with a different skin color get a different name, and that in my book is real racism.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 06:37:46 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on September 07, 2015, 04:49:27 pmTypo, should be "we dance".

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 06:59:46 pm
content: Quote from: jitter on September 07, 2015, 06:00:47 pm

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 07:33:52 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 07, 2015, 06:59:46 pmEverytime i see that twit I think of simmerson in Sharpes rifles and want to kick him in the nuts !

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 07:53:08 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 07, 2015, 06:59:46 pmDoesn't seem to work for me, it still starts at the beginning...

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 08:11:45 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 07, 2015, 02:27:06 pmStill 58 left, though...Though not my inention of starting this thread, perhaps your deleting your posts is a good thing. As a goodbye gift, I give youthis Zen wisdomto ponder on...

author: cimmo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 09:03:25 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on September 07, 2015, 06:33:10 pmMexican-Americans, you say?

author: Leiothrix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:19:25 pm
content: My problem with this is why is someone able to delete 4000 of their own posts? Being able to edit/delete your post for say an hour after making it is great to fix mistakes, but going back just messes with the flow of the old threads.

author: Chris C
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:21:29 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on September 07, 2015, 06:33:10 pmPractically speaking, a term for a specific ethnicity is only needed so long as that ethnicity needs to be referred to. The Dutch, Irish, Italians, and Polish were ALL discriminated against historically, when that ethnicity was new to us. But we got over it, which wasn't too hard because they generally don't ask to be identified as such, and don't try to act as separate groups.That eventual acceptance is not prevented by skin color. A lot of Brazilians, Jamaicans, Indians (from India), Cubans, Iranians, and so on have successfully integrated as well.But African Americans, Native Americans, and Mexicans often deliberately choose to act as separate groups, both socially and politically. This is what perpetuates discrimination and racism, and it will never go away so long as this separatism still exists.In the Netherlands, maybe you haven't been exposed to this. If so, then that's awesome, but you won't understand unless you come here. Turn on the TV, there's an episode of Swamp People on with a Native American alligator hunter, who's constantly going on about how he's better than the rest because he's Native American. Go to a major Black Music Festival to expand your musical horizons, only to find that only half of it is music, the other half is whipping the crowd into a frenzy with firey speeches about their heritage of being oppressed by white men. Go to the store, and the checkout line you're in is held up by an 18-year old Mexican trying to buy alcohol, who pretends he doesn't speak a word of English and doesn't understand he's being asked for ID; then goes and laughs about it afterwards with his friends, in perfect English. Find an offer in your mailbox to buy "The Black Pages", a phone directory of black-owned businesses; and know that even though it might not be needed, you could never, ever promote your business under your own ethnicity without scandal. Discover that this is commonplace, encouraged, and something you will see on an almost daily basis. So-called "reverse racism" is absolutely rampant, which is a misnomer, as there is no such thing. There is only racism.At least someone gets it:

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:21:59 pm
content: Quote from: Leiothrix on September 07, 2015, 10:19:25 pmIt's been discussed before - the general feeling has been it is useful to be able to go back and add new information to old posts so it has stayed that way.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:36:04 pm
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on September 07, 2015, 10:21:59 pmYou have to admit it allows a less than honest person toRe-Write History.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:48:42 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 07, 2015, 10:36:04 pmThe ability to re-write history used to take a lot of time and effort , sometimes spanning generations.Now, all you have to do is click modify.I'm sure by most this is seen as "progress".Yeah, I'm allergic at the ability to edit old posts after a reasonable amount of time has elapsed. Can you tell?

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 10:53:49 pm
content: Quote from: Leiothrix on September 07, 2015, 10:19:25 pmDave is very liberal about deletions and I think it's the right thing to do.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 11:12:41 pm
content: Please close this thread, it's becoming insane.The show must go on! Let's talk about electronics again!Lock this thread please!Please!

author: Chris C
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 11:18:23 pm
content: If this thread should be closed, before it does, I just want to say that excluding one person who has removed themself, the level of maturity here is downright impressive.

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 11:30:17 pm
content: It is interesting that Mojo, in spite of all of his passion about certain subjects, feels that what he has said in over 4000 posts has no future value to this forum. Apparently it was not eternal truth, but merely rants that he now regrets that he shared.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 11:33:16 pm
content: Quote from: Chris C on September 07, 2015, 11:18:23 pmThe vast majority of users on this forum are able to sit down behave like adults and have a constructive discussion. We all have our own opinions and we won't always agree, but it would be rather boring if we were all on the same page. Just like in real life, there are a handful of people who will shout their opinion but absolutely disregard conflicting views and dismiss them as being "wrong". Those people who choose to be closed-minded don't get very far in life and just end up boring, cranky old farts.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 12:16:04 am
content: And with that, brave Mojo drives off into the sunset in his expensive electric car, his super Chinese girlfriend from China in the passenger seat, whilst stroking his beard with great pride, and waving his Ecotricity bill at the great unwashed as he passes. In his rear view mirror, the smouldering remains of 4000 forum posts - each one a victory over the proles not intelligent enough to agree with him.Fare ye well my friend. Fare ye well. Godspeed.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 12:24:44 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on September 07, 2015, 10:48:42 pmI grew up with a different ideology, I think you did also.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 12:28:18 am
content: Quote from: Chris C on September 07, 2015, 11:18:23 pmIt is certainly better than some places I have been, asked to leave, just plain left, or been banned from (for no good reason I might add).

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 12:36:01 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on September 08, 2015, 12:29:09 amCan you explain?

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 12:39:46 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on September 08, 2015, 12:29:09 amYup. Well, at least one more.Quote from: wilfred on September 08, 2015, 12:29:09 amI understand the effort, and even appreciate & admire it. Unfortunately I'm a pessimist, which makes it hard to be thankful towards futility...

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 12:55:13 am
content: Regrettably I have twice been at the end of Mojo's infinite loops, one in which he accused me of being racist and then tried to weasel out of it.While I see no glory in him going, if you ever did look at the content of his posts, there was little, if any technical content, and any there was was so vague as to add no real value.Equally regrettably I fear he was becoming deluded and possibly paranoid:QuoteThat reminds me of an ex of mine who dumped me, then regularly phoned me up, gave me an hour of verbal abuse, then when I finally told her I'd be registering her as a nuisance caller if she called again she accused me of threatening behaviour!

author: onlooker
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 12:56:22 am
content: I think all sides can use a little more tolerance. It is childish to make argument only from one's own point of view and take self correctness as absolute. But unfortunately, that is what is happening here.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 12:59:44 am
content: QuoteYou just will have to forgive her behavior, she was a starter wife.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 01:08:40 am
content: Quote from: retrolefty on September 08, 2015, 12:59:44 amI have never been married, it was an ex GF. I've been very close, but thankfully as it turned out my mistake was rectified, although it didn't seem that way at the time.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 01:36:47 am
content: Quote from: Howardlong on September 08, 2015, 01:08:40 amCongratulations! You missed that trap!I wouldn't be against have kids and a family, but no way about marriage.I would prepare a escape plan too, I know too many separated and divorced friends that now live worse than their worst teenage days. I would never abandon my kids, but also not ruin my life too and be converted into a depressed shitbag.Anyway, I still believe this forum thread must be closed as soon as possible for damage control. The shit storm already happened, but it can be even worse.Please close the doors, just for safety.

author: Chris C
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 01:49:06 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on September 08, 2015, 12:29:09 amThis thread was undeniably controversial, but there's NOTHING that was done here that could have hounded any reasonable person out of the forum entirely.All people in this thread participated of their own free will. All were free to disagree. All could have walked away to electronics topics when ready, with no need for grudges.Mojo decided to throw a temper tantrum instead. Sorry to see a long standing member go, but if this is all it took, it was only a matter of time anyway. That's what happens with people who can't handle disagreement, yet seek it out.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 01:57:45 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on September 08, 2015, 12:29:09 amI honestly don't believe that's what happened. Mojo-chan seemed to have made a bit of a name for himself and it wasn't simply a result of this thread. I've read several occasions where people have got themselves involved into a never-ending argument with him. I myself have also been on the receiving end, it's just I know when to stop and walk away.I'm of the opinion (rightly or wrongly) that he's just the sort of person who, once his mind is made up, it's almost impossible to change and everyone else is "less correct" than he is. This is just what I've observed.Yes, this thread is controversial, but so what? Do we just avoid talking about things that might get people a little fired up or opinionated? I think not. We're not all that precious that we can't cop some criticism or difference of opinion.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 03:34:11 am
content: Having seen a lot of his posts and falling into the never ending argument thing myself, I think Mojo argued just for the sake of arguing. He reminds me of the 20 something stepdaughter that still lives at home. She makes it a habit of disagreeing with anything I say just because she can. I used to let it get to me and let things devolve into arguments and yelling. Finally, after 11 years of it, I pretty much don't talk to her. SWMBO doesn't much like it but she understands. There are days she tries her mother's nerves.If Mojo feels the need to leave the EEVBlog forum, for whatever reason, that is his prerogative. To remove all of his posts, useful or not, is simply puerile. That is nothing more than a case of, "You made me mad, now I am taking my toys and going home. You are not my friend anymore." If he keeps up that attitude in life, he will, at some point, run out of friends. Unless of course, he hangs out with people just like him. He should move here to the USA, the grievance industry would probably love him.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 05:50:24 am
content: Quote from: Chris C on September 07, 2015, 10:21:29 pmThanks for explaining, makes a lot of sense. And no unfortunately we are far from perfect, we in the Netherlands do have exactly the same problems with some groups that came here 30 to 40 years ago but kept their way of doing from the original country. That might be OK but some of them are requesting now that we adapt, towards their culture.Actually we ( my opinion) could learn from the US for instance we let them keep their original passport and identity as well instead of what the US does you come here then now you are american and you vow to uphold the american ways. Oh well indeed it is difficult some groups blend in perfectly others refuse and rebel, often playing the racism card. Politics have shut their eyes for decades hoping it would disappear but it became worse, playing into the cards of very right political parties that emerged. As you might know from the news we are now getting a new wave of asylum seekers from war zones as Syria and Erythrea which are so numerous the system can not cope. This also is petrol for racism fire which is unfortunate. The only result of racism is a division of the people from one country, while actually what I hoped for is that in this century we would realize that the whole world in one country, we all affect the other, and there is only one kind of people: humans.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 06:01:44 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on September 08, 2015, 12:29:09 amI am sorry you feel this way. Either way someone will get upset. This thread was not about Mojo, he chose to chip in and i warned him it was a bad idea, then he threw a tantrum. Whatever we do someone will be an injured party and this sort of talk will always crop up one way or the other. As others have mentioned this thread has been quite adult. It all went downhill when guess who joined in. Mojo has done plenty to derail plenty of threads. He's welcome to stay go do as he damn well pleases, but this is not his forum and there is no point in pushing a discussion in a certain direction then crying when he can't hold his own.Personally i get fed up with the rascism argument. I see plenty of so called ethnic minorities deliberately islolating themselves as they have no interest in the rest of us just carrying on as though they are "back home" then we come along and set up positive descrimination schemes to try and coax them to engage.If someone calls themselbes a nigger then they can't complain about being called a nigger. On this very forum i received a report because a member had refered to a guy in a youtube video that was linkd in the thread as a nigger. So I had to trawl back and find how it started as i could not beleive that that particular member would be rascists because i knew him of old. Guess what the guy in the video kept calling himself a nigger and this user would have not known the difference as he caomes from a culturally isolated country and had no idea.I spent 14 years being persecuted when I lived in italy just because i was a foreigner, and few knew I had a far higher standard of italian heritage than most of them. They were so ignorant where i lived that every foreigner was "albanese scum" as it was the albanese that were coming over at the time i arrived.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 06:17:38 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 07, 2015, 10:36:04 pmWith great power comes great responsibility or something like thatYes, it has its down-side.It would be better if the system made all versions accessible.

author: MikeW
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 08:22:27 am
content: Hounded off? What a joke. The guy started arguments left, right and centre and then decided he didn't like it when people argued back. No hounding involved.As for the idea of Dave 'harassing' him, it's utter delusion.Every forum I have ever posted on has had this type of serial nutter on it. They talk rubbish then cry persecution when called out on it then, as someone aptly put it, act like the crazy ex that won't leave you alone.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 10:11:50 am
content: Getting back on topic, I decided to try mygoogle fuon this one.Click the loudspeaker icon at the bottom of the chinese panel to hear it spoken by a fair oriental maidenTen thousandRedOld WellI'm sure there are better translations

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 10:27:16 am
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 08, 2015, 10:11:50 amI like how it slows down the pronunciation for every second click. Nice touch.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 10:38:41 am
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on September 08, 2015, 06:17:38 amI feel a weird al moment coming on....

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 01:43:13 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on September 08, 2015, 12:55:13 amNever seen him adding some value, but I must keep in mind that I'm no superhigh value contributor on this site too.What I saw him doing several times was:-picking a word in a discussion, mix some PolCo content with that, play victim for imaginated others.-picking a technical discussion, mix it with uber-big-state-moral-high, defend a totalitarian approach.-when things get "hot", make some fast "useful" remarks in other treads. Vague, could be google's first line when half the question was entered.Nothing wrong with having another opinion, but always the same guy, always that extreme, always from the same corner, always someone else's fault.There's a trend in it, it's systematic, or an algorithm.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 01:50:45 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on September 07, 2015, 06:33:10 pmNo it's not. Keep the socialists and other freeriders out of every "group" and everything runs smooth.Being a victim is a fulltime job for those guys.

author: mikerj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 02:29:32 pm
content: Quote from: Galenbo on September 08, 2015, 01:50:45 pmCouldn't have said it betterI can't say I'm overly sad to see the back of the resident hand wringing liberal. I strongly suspect he will find that the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence, though I'm sure he will make every attempt to paint it in his favoured colour.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 03:49:28 pm
content: Munchkinland will be a better place now.

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 04:47:49 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 08, 2015, 10:11:50 amI triedsometoo...

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 05:13:49 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 08, 2015, 06:01:44 amHear, hear!While starting this thread, I was kind of fearing it might turn into a mud fight but chose to go ahead anyway, sometimes it's better to say things than to keep them bottled up inside. I am impressed that this thread did not go down the drain. Mostly I find the discussions adult and well thought through and it is that which prevented it going out of hand. And IMO it's also why it did not need to be closed, despite the call for it from a few.About Mojo-Chan's leaving, well, that was his decision to make, and his right. Perhaps he finally received the message that his attempts at stirring things up were becoming futile. Perhaps he's already on to the next forum, doing the same. But why he felt it neccessary to delete his posts... I can only wonder. Most of them will still be there, locked as quotes inside other people's posts.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 05:20:37 pm
content: At least the forum administrator should make settings so that this can not happen again. And if choose. The backup from two days ago could be used to restore all the posts, just a thought.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 05:29:37 pm
content: I don't really mind the option to remove posts, if it makes people feel better let them.Except thread starters, that removes too much context.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 05:58:41 pm
content: I propose a poll to open or close this forum thread.To me, this is boring and disturbing.I think moderators and Dave should be more neutral about this stuff the next time, apply a ban or whatever way to solve conflicts with the lowest possible noise. I think they should avoid endless arguing even if they are right.Please reduce SNR, it's becoming too high!

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 06:03:31 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 08, 2015, 05:58:41 pmI personally prefer a much higher signal to noise.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 06:09:14 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 08, 2015, 05:58:41 pmI am afraid some things don't resolve themsleves quietly, not matter how hard you try. People have been told and point have been made but whether or not people are willing to be adult about it is another matter. If you lock one thread another will crop up or worse the same argument will crop up in an entirely different thread. If we have to have it out best to just have it out.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 06:11:31 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 08, 2015, 05:58:41 pmNothing is ever as effective at increasing SNR on the internet as mental filtering, there is no substitute (well, except turning it off I guess).

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 06:27:38 pm
content: The Wun Hung Lo thing always jarrs me out. Best is when Dave got a letter pretending to be from the Wun Hung Lo factory.That was great.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 06:31:44 pm
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on September 08, 2015, 06:03:31 pmI'm still trying to understand the fundamentals. I wrote something foolish! I'm sorry for the shameful mistake!Thanks for point at it, I looked at wikipedia and fixed my wrong assumption.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratioQuote from: Simon on September 08, 2015, 06:09:14 pmBut isn't the toxic behavior of users the main problem in these conflicts? Aren't there more ways to avoid toxic environments by using preventive approachs against conflicts and flame baits?If the shit appears elsewhere even if the user is banned, then that person is a crazy troll. If the troll is skilled enough, that person will change his IP address and use different emails to register new usernames.I see the only way would be using some sophisticated filters and have more forum moderators, maybe under the hood to avoid personal attacks.But I may be totally wrong, I'm sure you are all more experienced at forum moderation than me.Quote from: Marco on September 08, 2015, 06:11:31 pmMental filtering can be exhausting sometimes, that's why many of us access to specialized sites to have more information with high SNR.Quote from: Simon on September 08, 2015, 06:09:14 pm

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 06:37:49 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 08, 2015, 06:31:44 pmAbsolutely nothing shameful about it, learn and move on.The forum here allows for user and thread ignore, might check it out, may enhance your experience if this subject bothers you.

author: chicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 06:54:56 pm
content: Still haven't figured out how to ignore threads.I'm actually close to ignoring the General forum, but that would exclude a lot of interestingelectronics relatedcontent. Can't we have a Political Asylum forum that everyone visiting this site for their fix of electronics can safely ignore?In any case, I fear that one day the EEVBlog forum will have it's Reddit moment if off-topic content (no matter which side of the aisle) isn't moderated out more stringently.

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 11:14:31 pm
content: Quote from: mikerj on September 08, 2015, 02:29:32 pmWhat kind of liberalism? The weird American version that confuses their take on 1920's Social Liberalism with a one size fits all Socialism? Or Liberalism in the classical term whose base values are freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion,free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation?A liberal, in the classical (pre Fox pundit) sense was to the right on economic matters and smack down the middle in most of the rest - and ALWAYS very to the right of Socialism in all its forms.However, certain versions of Socialism in western democratic states sometimes take Liberal ideas (UK Labour letting the banking sector run amok) but the opposite never happens.I'm just a tired of certain class of American bad usage of century old terminology and lack of research beyond their backyard about the semantic context they use polluting any debate anywhere on internet.For example, these are my basic political opinions (simplified):- Freedom of speech - absolute, but the burden of proof lies with the speaker. If you can't prove it, don't say it. No injunctions or "shut up" laws.- Freedom of religion - absolute, but places of worship are liable for their sheep if they go on a "suggested" killing spree. Any religion you have to pay to be part of is banned.- Democratic societies - Democracy is super important especially a the local level - I might disparage the US, but I admire the fact that so many local officials are elected. Not perfect, but pretty damn good.- free markets: Simple clear regulations THAT ARE THE SAME FOR ALL, no free passes, no loopholes, no special cases, income tax from 10 to 30% with no deductions, income is income however you get it. The complexity of a lot of tax code is beyond stupid. All economic law and treaties public and available. No secret negotiations TIPP style.- Secular governments - Keep religion and state separated, this ain't Iran - but if you want to serve and use 6000 years of human knowledge wisely, I see no problem.- International Cooperation - talking to people and being at peace with them is the best way to open markets.- Health care; Free for all, funded by all, private but state regulated (Japan is a good example - but not perfect). If a company decides to sell something bad (tabacco), they can, but they must pay into a state fund to pay for the results...- Education; free till you are 18, then free for desperately needed capacities to make the state competitive/especially gifted students. All the rest get more or less punitive state loans (Australian style).- State help/welfare. Only for those who REALLY need it and with the end objective of getting people off it. Disabled people should be able to stay on it, lazy people should be pushed kicking and screaming into being productive.- Budget, a State should always be in slight surplus because there are going to be unforeseeable problems each year. All the State's bookkeeping should be freely available to every citizen to consult and criticize (Defence being the only exception), anything funded by the state (infrastructure, aid etc) should also be transparent.- Guns; You are a criminal, insane or both? No gun for you, no exceptions.etc etc etc...What does all of this make me?A fucking Liberal probably, but not a Socialist nor a Conservative...And I like the Wung Hung Lo term, I use similar things without thinking for other countries: niet zo über (German), unshaven (France), as pretty as a bulldog (England), made of sheep (Wales or NZ), upside down (OZ), nothing under the skirt (Scotland), raping and pillaging (Nordic Countries), made of grass (Irish), made of jàmon (Spain) etc...I don't see why China is so special to not have their pejorative term like all the other big boys.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 11:31:07 pm
content: Now that Mojo Chan is out, it's time to refocus on electronics.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2015, 11:57:36 pm
content: Quote from: chicken on September 08, 2015, 06:54:56 pmThe Ignore list utilizes that most complex of computers, the one we all have.It works better than any other software implemented ignore function.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 12:32:15 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 08, 2015, 11:57:36 pmA nice thought, but going la la la la la la mentaly everytime there is a post in this blasted thread turns out to be an exercise in self control either by not reading it or not responding.Sure, you can tune out a dripping faucet at night when you try to sleep....but you don't let it keep dripping night after night after night after night after night after night night after night ... see where I'm going with this ... after night after night after night after night night after night after night after night after night after night night after night after night after night after night after night . You fix it the next day.Plus not everyone will always like each other always.So all this happy lets all hold hands and sing cumbaya and the world will be one big happy will not happen. Newton even made up a law about it.This thread need a nice shiny lock.It's cheap and easy.In my next episode, electronics youtube channels I find annoying to watch. (No, eevblog is not on that list)

author: Chris C
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 12:52:06 am
content: Quote from: Kjelt on September 08, 2015, 05:20:37 pmFrom a very similar incident on another forum using the same software, it's my understanding that restoring a backup is an all-or-nothing proposition. No automated way to restore only a certain person's posts. At least not with the base software, it might be available as an add-on, but probably with a price attached.As for this thread, it's been a rare opportunity and privilege. But I agree it's time for it to pass before it jumps the shark. Consensus?

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 02:19:08 am
content: I'm actually writing a conversion script to merge 4 of my forums into a new SMF (this same software) forum and I had to make lot of changes to allow this to happen. The way SMF orders posts is kinda awkward (goes by post ID, not date) so doing a partial restore would probably cause weird things to happen. Though, I think it could technically be done at the forum level, you would not really get anything weird happen, except the posts that are restored might end up on top even if the last post is older but stuff would reorder over time as people reply to other topics.I did not follow the entire drama but have a general idea of what happened. I tend to stay out of that stuff, and I think people just have to do the same and move on, not partake in it, which just makes it worse.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 04:23:40 am
content: QuoteIt is easy - the back button - works every time

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 07:52:25 am
content: Quote from: gildasd on September 08, 2015, 11:14:31 pmWow, I agree with about 95% of that!Quote from: Chris C on September 09, 2015, 12:52:06 amLots of people want this thread gone, yet they continue to post in it and it's one of the most popular threads at the moment, so I don't see why there's any reason it should be closed.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 08:41:25 am
content: Ouch, guys, we've been *warned*.Based on another recent thread, I suspected this might be coming. So I took the liberty of archiving mojo's entire post history (including the entire contents of each thread he's posted in, so his posts will have context).Now that mojo has explicitly told us not to restore his posts, I'm going to post them on Google indexed website. I just registered ban-mojo-chan.com -- I'll have the site up later today.Remember mojo, what you say on the Internet is there forever. So think twice next time before you say something you might regret. Deleting all your posts serves no purpose and is nothing more than you taking your ball and going home.(You're lucky I'm not putting your *real* name on the site. Can you imagine a potential employer Googling you? But that would be crossing the line and I'm better than that.)Sent from my Tablet

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 08:45:41 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 09, 2015, 08:10:07 amNo need to worry, they are all available on archive.org :-)Plus they are considered "public domain" so, meh. In any case, whilst you are responsible for what you post, it's not considered "Copyrighted Material" in Australia. As you can see, idle threats are usually taken in jest around here.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 11:19:22 am
content: Why not stop this shit definitely? What's your goal?People, please stop this war. It's becoming retarded, OCD and childish.Peace, people. Let's ignore this shit forever and keep moving forward. Let's not convert this on a MojoGate.I agree about improving the granulity of the forum, even in general topics.Let's talk about electronics or other interesting non-electronics topics, such as:- How geek people can date other geeks. What to do, what to avoid. Clues for the socially awkward ones.- How to surpass job problems: Cruel bosses, long unemployment, emigrate to get a job, become a freelance.- How a hardcore geek living in technology all day can get in good shape and be social (Dave, this can be your next book!).- How to get highly motivated and active, despite studying, working and/or living in a shitty environment.- Bricolage, woodwork and such.- Health problems, from physical to mental.I also propose more granularity in the electronics tools. There's circuit simulators and many other software. I'm interested in expanding the FOSS subsections, one per application.There could be other sections, people would debate here if interested and not need to dig into the infinite general section.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 11:40:40 am
content: Circuitoero,I am offended by your constant use of the label "geek". Ok, not personally, but I am hand-wringingly offended on other peoples behalf.To me its as bad as the N word. You really wouldn't use the N word now would you? Something to think about...Of course, I am allowed to use it as I am from that victimised minority group. Yes, I am allowed to use the N word amongst fellow nerds. There I said it!

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 12:11:09 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 09, 2015, 11:19:22 amThere is no war. It's all just in your head.There's just a guy that had problems with controlling his extemism and decided to leave and take his rubbish with him.Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 08, 2015, 05:58:41 pmSo you are calling for a ban on yourself? That's the second guy in one week.If you don't like this tread, why not go to another one. You have the freedom to do that. Leave others their freedom too.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 12:25:24 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 09, 2015, 11:40:40 amIt seems you love performing arts, hence your nicknameGeek out!

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 01:25:03 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 09, 2015, 08:10:07 am😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👜👜👜👜👜👜👜

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 01:34:42 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 09, 2015, 01:16:08 pmYou promised to go to other forums. Don't try to demonize EEVBlog users without proof.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 01:41:29 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 09, 2015, 01:16:08 pmOh no, not SOCIAL MEDIA! Why are you still posting? Every post you make is just another one you'll need to delete!(It's not me for what it's worth. I don't even use the Tweeter.)Sent from my Smartphone

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 02:44:22 pm
content: Quote from: timb on September 09, 2015, 08:41:25 amAnd you think twice before copying data from this site and posting it elsewhere with the purpose of persecuting a member of this forum past or present. You can and will find yourself banned bery fast, your not that far down on the list of concerns from mojo.....

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 02:49:20 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 09, 2015, 11:40:40 amThe term geek seems to have morphed from a socially awkward person with a passion for technical things (aka someone with autistic tendencies before we knew what autism was) to anyone who owns more than one apple device. Which version exactly were you considering.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 02:50:51 pm
content: "Persecuting"? Really? I think we need get a sense of perspective here.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 02:51:56 pm
content: Quote from: Delta on September 09, 2015, 02:50:51 pmIndeed, many do.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 03:30:24 pm
content: I agree. For as long as there are people there will be funny nicknames applied to a specific person or group based on specific characteristics. I have had my fair share of those. Some funny some not so nice.People who start to yell 'racism' often have more problems in their brain than there are actual problems. For example: In the NL there is a lot of discussion about 'Black Pete' (the helper of Sinterklaas) being a racial stereotype. Everyone forgets Black Pete is supposed to climb up & down inside chimneys so no wonder he is black!

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 03:41:06 pm
content: I was told off for referring to Italians as iti's yet I am one quarter one of those and have never heard anybody getting upset about being called a Brit. Political correctness just gives some people with nothing better to do a sense of authority to go around telling people off.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 04:03:43 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2015, 02:49:20 pmNo no! Those are Hipsters. They ride fixie bikes and drink skinny lattes. Burn them!

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 04:06:20 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on September 09, 2015, 03:30:24 pmAround here people use racists terms such as 'white lie', 'white elephant' and 'white flag'.Some even post these racial slurs on their yachts.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 04:07:55 pm
content: I just spotted this on Youtube when you right-click a video: 'statistics for nerds' to show info about the video.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 04:11:12 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on September 09, 2015, 04:07:55 pmRight lets all take offence and start a petition

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 04:23:15 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on September 09, 2015, 04:07:55 pmI just tried it on a catchy little number by. It's packed with N words and there is even a nerdy homie from da 212 in the vid too (I mean he has spectacles, one of us...!).I do understand the references to cunnilingus, etc. But what is all that stuff about eating a pear?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 04:44:17 pm
content: Think I need a translator for that

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 04:57:54 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2015, 04:44:17 pm+100 , its like a loud fast dustbin banged against me head.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 05:35:33 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on September 09, 2015, 01:16:08 pmYou know what to do.1. Just ignore it2. get a lawyer and find out from Comcast who was using that IP address (yes I looked it up from the other thread)3. contact their ISP yourself and send copies of the abusive emails to their ISP and let them deal with it.4. get the necessary items and cast a spell on the offending person / persons.Why is it so hard toJust Walk Away?

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 05:38:02 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 09, 2015, 04:23:15 pmBefore she did her best to become the number one anti-white-racist, she indeed had this nice song, rapped the text onto a literally stolen instrumential from Lazy Jay.Her etnolect text includes some Gay bashing too, but nobody cared, because she was member of another minority.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 06:14:08 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2015, 02:44:22 pmApparently I forgot sarcasm doesn't translate well to text. Oh well.Do you seriously think I'd go through all the time and effort, including *buying* a domain name? It's laughable. (As is copying data from a public forum being persecution in any shape or form. I suppose you're going to ban anyone that works for Archive.org as well?)Edit: Just to be clear, *no*, I'm obviously not going to do that...Sent from my Smartphone

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 06:14:55 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 09, 2015, 05:35:33 pmPlease don't take this the wrong way, but I guess it's because we keep responding to MC's posts... And maybe he's also one of those people who has to have the last word, no matter what.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 06:20:29 pm
content: Quote from: jitter on September 09, 2015, 06:14:55 pmI totally get it; someone had to say it though.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 06:25:08 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 09, 2015, 05:35:33 pmConsidering Mojo's history of hyper sensitivity and false complaints about ad-hominem, I would take this harassment accusation with caution. It's like that wolf story.Best is to ignore him. He did the right thing removing his posts and leaving to sites that better fit his needs. It's a win win.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 07:15:20 pm
content: I don,t understand why he is not banned, deleting posts is a major breaking of forum rules in most forums i know.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 07:18:54 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on September 09, 2015, 07:15:20 pmHis immaturity has become epic, why ban when he's providing such entertainment?

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 08:30:08 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2015, 02:44:22 pmI got amazed after reading it and thinking if EEvBlog is becoming even worse than 4chan, doing a "MojoGate" (aka mobbing him).But it was just some kind of crazy sarcastic provocation.Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2015, 02:49:20 pmQuote from: Macbeth on September 09, 2015, 04:03:43 pmHipsters are very boring and generic, hiding their mediocrity in some kind of fashion that gets even more homogenized over time. They aren't producers, just consumers. I hope there would be a hipster rehab plan to be themselves. Steve Jobs isn't god, for example.Of course, I chose the first one!I don't care a shit about mainstream retardation, making everything it touches to get converted into another stupid fashion to do useless and think avoiding stuff. Apple devices are shiny and nice, but they are far away from the geek/hacker culture.To me real geeks/hackers are technology passionates and idealists on them, like those described by Steven Levy and many others. They aren't just technology obsessed, but also rebels on it:- Making reverse engineering against vendor lock-in or feature crippled products. Then maybe even rewrite source code or design an alternative Hardware is possible. This happens in FOSS/OSHW.- Be interested in challenges and surpass possible limits in technology or available resources (even in terms of people). Some of these kind are demoscene and FOSS coders.- Be interested in collaboration instead of competition.Disliking oligopolies and monopolies. This happens in FOSS/OSHW too.- Believe technology can improve humanity if used properly. Some related subgroups are transhumanism/posthumanism. This may sound sci-fi and fantasy, but many people are obsessed about the possibility of human augmentation and specially the cognitive ones.- Have lots of fun with their passion and with endless curiosity. Learning and discovering must be fun and fascinating, not boring and mechanized.My definition of geek is near the autistic tendencies, but there's too much fear about not being neurotypical. Unless there's a important neurobiological issue, the real problem about this is receiving proper education and support to develop in our own way.I think neurobiology diversity is positive to humanity, but some extreme changes are needed in many society fields.Extreme cases of autism are very sad, these people are severely disabled and their cognitive skills are too limited. This is a real issue I hope neuroscience fixes it.I myself have ADHD, with some autistic tendencies (combined type, blabla). I "just" need to reeducate my mind and use my mental differences in the most positive way, mitigating the negative side of it (impulses, anxiety, distraction, psychomotor skills...). I got detected only a year ago and I have no money to spend on therapies, so I'm in the hard path. Despite of that and my many of daily mistakes that drives the test of people around me to get crazy, I'm very positive about it and drugs are helping me too.Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2015, 02:51:56 pmManhunters?Quote from: AF6LJ on September 09, 2015, 05:35:33 pm5 way:- Learn from it, think about what happened and your situation. Nobody's innocent in this shit fountain, but maybe you failed more than you think.- It happened to me a lot of times, I have been banned a lot and later though about my nearly infinite number of insane mistakes.- After that, you can make another identity.* Just use some social engineering by changing even your writing style and not repeat your mistakes, but also be aware of what went wrong without being an stubborn bastards.** I did it lots of times until I finally fixed myself a bit to be at least minimally tolerable, so you sure can do it better than me.Quote from: timb on September 09, 2015, 06:14:08 pmAre you serious? How can you use that wicked sense of sarcasm on a geek forum. You are an evil prankster!

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 08:33:22 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on September 09, 2015, 06:25:08 pmAgreed, it is interesting though knowing how that disease of hyper sensitivity political correct5ness has begun to spread like a cander in the US. It looks like you cannot go anywhere in the world to get away from it.It is a backhanded form of censorship.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 08:50:13 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 09, 2015, 08:33:22 pmI'm neutral about this shit, I just want to go away and be a lesson to improve this site.- Better moderation.- More granularity in forum sections.- Punish personal attacks and overreacting to certain actions.Political correctness is spreading like shit everywhere. You might be amazingly surprised.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 09:28:36 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 09, 2015, 08:33:22 pmIt is funny ( the only "F" word SWMBO allows me to use) how the most intolerant and divisive people are the ones who preach tolerance and diversity the loudest. Can't forget the grievance industry-it's always everyone else's fault. AF6LJ, you're only bigoted, racist, homophobic, insert word of the day ad nauseum, etc if you don't agree with them. If you do, then it's progressive.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 09:35:15 pm
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on September 09, 2015, 09:28:36 pmLiving as I do here in Kalifornia I could tell you stories.......You hit the nail squarely on the head

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 09:38:43 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 09, 2015, 08:50:13 pmThankfully here in the US there is a growing backlash, people realize its purpose is to limit free speech, and the free exchange of ideas that are contrary to what the authoritarians find as acceptable.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 10:04:30 pm
content: Quote from: timb on September 09, 2015, 06:14:08 pmNot in this case, there has begun to be slightly more moking than I am happy with. We know the guy is a little odd, just let him be that way and he can now be it whereever he chooses except here as he is now baned so that is that and end of discussion regarding mojo!

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 10:20:53 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 09, 2015, 09:38:43 pmWell. I'm pessimistic about that.Big brothers control the information. Stapled Oligopolistic States have the most powerful military, cultural, economical and international intelligence networks to destroy governments, countries and buy the brightest minds or destroy them.Your government steal resources from other places, using military as an economical tool. But every other fucking country does it, just this one is better at it.The oligarchy surpassed Rome in their brightest days. They sophisticated the colonization by economy, culture, control of information and military. Their hegemony is something fucking unprecedented.ICANN isn't International. Internet is a government controlled institution.Even this mindjack shit from an insane poor guy is probably scanned by some secret technology, their military R&D is fucking huge and ARPANET got invented when most computers where just no more than a bit sophisticated calculators.Public criticism can make you get into their terrorist listAnd other big countries do the same, freedom is a false perception. They are our overlords.Free speech? Are you sure it's just real? Anyway, speech dilutes if isn't converted into substanceYou are with them or against them.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 10:21:13 pm
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on September 09, 2015, 09:28:36 pmIntroduce your missus to... Father Jack here is an extreme example, but the Irish with all that catholic guilt do not like the fuck word, but feel the need to say it, so "FECK", no problem... I had an Irish project manager who would use it all the time and she was an angel so it wasn't used crudely at all

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 02:19:56 am
content: Thanks I wondered what Mojo looked like, I did not know he was Father Jackhttps://youtu.be/jdkN57xvekISeems all he needed was a fecking drink(is that a scope in the tree at 2:11 - looks like he is having trouble using it ?)

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 03:19:37 am
content: Quote from: Simon on September 09, 2015, 03:41:06 pmSome Poms don't like being called Poms,& go the "victim" route.Others are "tough as old boots" & don't give a damn!I tend to use "Brits" as short for "British people",as apart from the fact people from other countries don't always know what "Poms" are,it is a specific term for English folk & is not appropriate for other well,-----Brits!By way of an aside,years ago,I heard English people referring to themselves as "Boots",but only in Oz.Around the same time,I spent some time in the UK,but didn't hear it there.Anybody else heard this nickname?

author: oPossum
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 03:41:00 am
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 09, 2015, 04:23:15 pmEasier to understand lyrics in this version:Apple Juice!

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 03:47:15 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 09, 2015, 10:20:53 pmYou have most of it right, yes on destroying governments and to the disgust of those of us who are enlightened to see the truth looking back at us.Who do you think is in the driver's seat of this once wonderful country?Same thing that is in control of the EU, and most of the third world.The international banking community.The Federal Reserve and its member banks dictate foreign policy here in the US, as is the case with the dominant banks of the EU.We here in the US are as much a hostage as the rest of the world is.

author: Joule Thief
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 04:27:17 am
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 09, 2015, 04:23:15 pmYou will have to excuse me for a few minutes as I run a pipe cleaner thru my brain!

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 05:54:43 am
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on September 10, 2015, 03:19:37 amNot over here...Nicknames... they're all around: limies, yanks, tommies, poms, frogs, jerries, rosbeef... depending on the country you're in...

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 06:30:44 am
content: Here in Ontario we say "Please excuse my French", followed by whatever shiit you want to unload.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 06:31:21 am
content: Quote from: Bud on September 10, 2015, 06:30:44 amSame in the UK

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 07:47:52 am
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on September 10, 2015, 03:19:37 amI got that once from a nice old bricklayer that I affectionately called a Pom.He sternly replied the he'd never been aPrisonerOfMotherEngland like most of you Aussies forefathers were.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 07:58:46 am
content: I don't take the term Pom as anything more than an affectionate badge of honour, and I take it as being meant as a term of endearment. Similarly, whingeing pom, pommie bastard, no problem. Possibly those who do are taking themselves a bit too seriously.If an Aussie wanted to cause offence, they would't use the term Pom, I can be quite sure of that.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 08:33:57 am
content: Quote from: Joule Thief on September 10, 2015, 04:27:17 amHere's the lyrics and subliminal messages....https://youtu.be/J3gYJFuP9qoWTF?

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 09:15:01 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 09, 2015, 08:33:22 pmMy trick to get away from it is hook up with people whoworkandproduce something.Both undelined terms have to be read in the un-undermined version of the word.

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 12:35:34 pm
content: Quote from: Galenbo on September 10, 2015, 09:15:01 amYou started work in a Chinese shoe factory?

author: cimmo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 05:47:12 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on September 10, 2015, 07:47:52 amAny epithet's meaning depends on the perspective. Apparently, for some NON-Australians, calling us 'convicts' or similar is often meant as an insult, or at least derogatory in some way.Ironically, for those of us Aussies who do have known genealogical ties to a convict heritage - especially if one's ancestors were "First Fleeters", then this attempted insult falls very flat, as we deem such ancestry to be worthy of some pride.In my case, I am a double First Fleeter. (My cousins are triple First Fleeters).The best way to defeat any type of attempted insult is to not be offended - and to actually re-interpret the epithet proudly. If the recipient of an attempted insult is not insulted, then the insulter fails.And if it's just a joke, then everyone can laugh at it.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 08:27:26 pm
content: Quote from: cimmo on September 10, 2015, 05:47:12 pmI only bought it up to disclose the origin of Pom or as it started out as: POME (promounced as pommie) as the convicts exported from England to Aussie were labeled.Never intended or wish for any offence to be taken, it's just historical fact.Now most Brits without a strong Welsh, Scots or Irish accent suffer the Pom label as a result of what happened 200 years ago.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 11:36:16 pm
content: Wlw..This thread is taking more twists and turns than a mouth full of grass that has entered the digestive tract of a cow.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 11:46:27 pm
content: If I am to be asked to rank them, I'd say, noting that *none* of them remotely offend in any way...Brit... Least endearingRosbifLimeyPom... Most endearingFor some reason I just find "Brit" a lazy term. Not offensive, just laissez-faire, come on, let's at least have some flare, whingeing pommie bastard springs to mind. Nope, still not in the least offended.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 12:12:03 am
content: Quote from: cimmo on September 10, 2015, 05:47:12 pmhttps://youtu.be/DHQRZXM-4xI

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 12:26:48 am
content: Is it bad to have ancestors who where convict in a monarchy? I would get proud of that!Brit rebels that got out of a decadent empire, that's good.Fucking local natural ecosystem aren't something good, but that's what we humans very commonly do very well.Here we nickname Brits as "guiris". It's a very flexible term, from mildly derogatory- The somewhat stereotype (but unfortunately sometimes realist) of tourists or residents that are selfish foreigners. They aren't interested in our culture but just relationate between then in their own "colonies" out circles, get drunk all time and eat like crazy.* Drunk "guiris" can be a lot more annoying than the average drunk Spaniard. Maybe the craziest ones come here to the coast, or cheap drugs and alcohol makes them crazier.- Friendly foreigners but often act very weird to us because have no clue about our culture, often eating and drinking things in very strange ways or participating in cultural events in very histrionic ways.This is used for Occidental ones. Asians usually act different and may participate in cultural events in extremely motivated ways sometimes too, but they have usually a more soft personality.Spanish has many terms that can change meaning depending on context.Personally, I dislike our tourist-based economy. It makes us poorer and I feel we are somewhat in some way like servants and clowns to our richer neighbors

author: iampoor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 08:02:05 am
content: Where did mojo-chan go? Are all his posts deleted?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 08:04:21 am
content: Quote from: iampoor on September 11, 2015, 08:02:05 amhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/moderation-reports/msg751352/#msg751352

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 08:08:07 am
content: Quote from: iampoor on September 11, 2015, 08:02:05 amYes, he deleted most of his posts, then asked for his account to be removed.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 08:11:45 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 09, 2015, 08:50:13 pmBe careful what you wish for.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 01:46:46 pm
content: ASCII art rocks!

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 01:50:23 pm
content: Stands up to examination.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 02:07:16 pm
content: Quote from: iampoor on September 11, 2015, 08:02:05 amIf you miss him, just look around in this forum till you see a big dick.At the moment, he has every day another name.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 02:26:41 pm
content: The ASCII art isn't even that good, Wun Hung Lo are at it's worse.Why is it when a little boy gets his feelings hurt he has to display his shortcomings?That person should seek out a mental health professional, and get help.On the subject of ASCII art some of the very best I have seen came over RTTY on 20 meters back in the day when RTTY was transmitted and received by a few hundred pounds of iron.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 02:46:57 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 11, 2015, 08:11:45 amI got it. You can PM about it if you want. It could be some kind of cheap therapy and help me to understand strange my acts better

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 03:16:23 pm
content: Is Wun Hung Lo spamming up the forum trying to promote new, errr... components?

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 03:25:50 pm
content: I believe whoever is doing it is a misogynist using his sense of patriarchal entitlement to bash the female-identifying members of this forum with ASCII pics of his dick. He is in his sick mind actually raping them with his ultimate symbol of male power.Sigh, I wish we had Mojo-Chan back to defend the fair maidens who must be triggered by this sick rapist misogynist scumbags ASCII art.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 03:33:10 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 11, 2015, 03:25:50 pmI doubt that picture represents his Boyhood.As for those of us who are female or as you put it "Female identified" This female can take care of herself.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 04:05:00 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 11, 2015, 03:25:50 pmmojo chang against mojo chang, now that would be fun, you would have a machine of perpetual motion

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 04:17:18 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 11, 2015, 03:33:10 pmGood for you. Assuming otherwise is pure sexism.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 05:46:57 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 11, 2015, 03:33:10 pmYes, I was only trying to defend your honour m'lady, what with your favourite white knight disappearing!I'm afraid all that PC progressive claptrap even had me cringing. I'll go back to being the uncouth philistine brute I really am!

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 05:49:13 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on September 11, 2015, 04:17:18 pmThat's great! I wish there were more women like her.I'm dreadfully tired of women with their princess syndrome, but at the same time being identified as feminist and demanding men to take more responsibilities because we are lazy bastards. We must understand about their main topics of interests and problems, but they are unable to understand mine (I'm a WIP geek) and get totally bored about it.I don't want to give more details... :')

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 06:12:42 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 11, 2015, 05:49:13 pmThere are, many. (Not trying to discount this fine lady)

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 06:14:24 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 11, 2015, 02:26:41 pmWell I will always consider The peak of such art preceded ASCII. I was in the U.S. Air Force from 66-70 as a teletype/crypto repairman and every Thanksgiving & Christmas the Teletype relay stations around the world would have such art hanging from every free wall space in the whole complex as pictures would be passed on from relay station to relay station. I think the U.S. Navy did the same. This was when 5 level (bit) baudot code ruled. Needed letters and figures codes to shift character sets to get all the characters. Some of these would stretch out 6 ft or more, like Santa and his sled and reindeer all in one long horizontal printout. I was quite the thing in those days.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 07:03:59 pm
content: I think all the dick pics arrived with EBCDIC

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 07:32:45 pm
content: Mojo-chan RIPThis has been an interesting and fun post. Lots of slang I never heard of and funny videos (and funny posts).QuoteI remember those

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 07:52:45 pm
content: With respect to another country-specific term: "Yankee".Outside of USA, it seems to mean anyone from the USA. Often, pejorative as in "Yankee, go home!".In the southern USA, it means someone from the north, i.e., north of the Mason-Dixon line. The winning side in the Civil War.In the northern USA, it means someone from New England, north of New York.In New England, it means someone from the back woods, probably with outdoor plumbing.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 08:00:22 pm
content: ^ Exactly, words mean different stuff to different people, impossible to keep straight.No word offends me, I truly fail to see why people get so butt hurt over something so stupid.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 08:22:06 pm
content: You see, this is why I refer to you lot as Septics. That way there is no problem with all that dixie line and New England malarky!

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 09:22:42 pm
content: I am 67 white bald male living in So Calif and have been reading this post trying to figure out what I am. Now I knowSepticsI am not a skin head because I think this is a gang where they shave their heads. I am naturally bald so I am a "chrome dome". I am an "old fart" due to getting old. I am a "crip" because of a motorcycle accident. When I lived in Taiwan I was a "farang". I am a "dope" because of my IQ. I am a "septic" because I lost my sense of smell (currently this is my most serious disability). I am a "fuck head" due to the fact my wife hates me (she is Chinese so this must be a Chinese to English translation). I like to be known as "dog keeper" to my dogs.Since this is a world forum - are there other names for someone like myself? I would like a laugh and no words will offend me. After all this is an educational forum.Since I live in California, there must be some deserving names because I live in this crazy state. (they want to reduce gasoline usage by 50% by 2020 by increasing the taxes ! - luckily this was shot down but they will keep trying)OR is being a "Californian" bad enough to cover all situations?

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 09:31:51 pm
content: Quote"American"

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 09:32:49 pm
content: "slap head" is an endearing UK term for a folically challenged gentleman. 😃

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 09:43:39 pm
content: Quote from: ez24 on September 11, 2015, 09:22:42 pmOh I dunno, some of your girls seem quite nice, well at least back in the '80s before they turned into HFCS fat guzzling belly wheels feminazis...

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 09:50:36 pm
content: Quote from: Delta on September 11, 2015, 09:32:49 pmApparently you are correct but I've only ever heard or used it to mean a complete dork. It's probably a regional thing.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 09:53:38 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 11, 2015, 09:31:51 pmGood oneI believe "Dirty American" has been usedI once hitch-hiked up the East Coast of Africa and even in the 70s I had to carry a Canadian flag and tell people I was from Canada. I remember one ride and the only English the driver could say was "fuck Nikon", I had to listen him saying that the whole ride, he liked practicing his English. This was in Mozambique and I do not know what was going on.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 09:55:43 pm
content: He probably meant "fuck Nixon" if it was the begin of the 70s

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 10:15:46 pm
content: Septic is rhyming slang, septic tank rhymes with yank, so just like apples means stairs and ruby means curry, septic means yank. Obvious.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 10:23:57 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on September 11, 2015, 09:55:43 pmNah, photographers can be pretty zealous when it comes to their brand of choice! He was clearly a Canon guy....

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 10:27:41 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on September 11, 2015, 10:15:46 pmSssh! Your giving away the national secrets!But I tell you what me old china, I wouldn't 'alf mind 'avin a butchers at your lockup, that's for sure!

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 10:52:28 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 11, 2015, 10:27:41 pmMy favourite bit of Cocknyese is 'Listerine' for anti American lol..

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 11:04:07 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on September 11, 2015, 10:15:46 pm'Septic tankers' rhymes with something else but applies quite nicely to our oveseas friends

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 11:05:37 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 11, 2015, 09:43:39 pmKalifornia is highly overrated It is a third world cesspit where the word freedom is considered hate speech. Southern Kalifornia is the bottom of the cesspit where all the &^it settles.

author: Votality
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 11:13:38 pm
content: Your all getting off topic here. ... The real questions is why is Wun Hung lo. Does he have big balls or something.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 11:42:01 pm
content: On most guys, on teste hangs lower than the other. However, Wun Hung Lo isn't a sexist phrase, as most women have one breast that's slightly larger than the other (and on women with large breasts, one will hang lower due to the effects of gravity on the increased mass).Sent from my Tablet

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2015, 11:54:09 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on September 11, 2015, 06:12:42 pmI don't believe you, really. My empirical experiences and external sources make me me very pessimistic about it.But what the fuck, I'm too "cursed" in different fields of my shitty life that relationships are my minimal issue. I just "obey" a bit and try to calm her, trying to control my mad stuff and try to focus with very irregular attempts.I don't care so much these days, I'm still "alive" and somewhat okay with my current girlfriend for nearly three years and that's a fucking extreme milestone in me.I wish things were better at both sides, but that's life and she provides me good things to my life and not only getting crazy because my craziness.I'm unable to be one of those alpha male bastards, despite I sometimes pose as one of these with positive results (my current gf got that false impression about me, that's one of the things what made she got attracted to me):I love animals, specially cats.I get amazed by kids.I'm vegan.I cry easily.I'm unable to not help someone in need. Being disabled, old or asking for food.I love to care people I love: I prepare breakfast to my gf, help her on university homework, tech repair and configuration, do massages...But I'm too geek, unemployed, sentimental, very distracted and "lazy".Quote from: Votality on September 11, 2015, 11:13:38 pmMaybe it was some specially twisted and war lover Chinese emperor?Or maybe a Chinese guy that seduced thousands of women and made them pregnant with all the sperm of his giant balls.Who knows. Must research more. But I prefer to be lazy right now.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 12:14:12 am
content: Quote from: Votality on September 11, 2015, 11:13:38 pmTanuki does:http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/tanuki.shtmlhttp://www.tofugu.com/2015/01/30/tanuki-the-magical-canine-with-gigantic-magic-tanuki-balls/I remember seeing these outside Japanese cafes

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 12:15:44 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 11, 2015, 11:54:09 pmMy lest boyfriend was a geek, it was okay except between the two of us we had one work space. That was a major issue at times. It did make for strange pillow talk.The relationship was doomed from the start, I am too independent, and "not now honey I am thinking about a problem at work" was an issue more often than not. What do you do when you know more about your boyfriend's hobby then he does? I think a half crazy Viet Nam vet who likes to go out ahd shoot animals and bring them home for food would be more to my liking. Someone that smells like he did an honest day's work, and still smelled like a man when he got out of the shower.Those men are way beyond an endangered species.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 12:17:12 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito link=topic=53584.msg752664#msg752664Personal experiences are anecdotes and by their very nature as subjective and prone to personal bias as anything can get. They aren't evidence. Plus you freely admit you're quite isolated and nowhere near the centre of the normal curve when it comes to personality and how you react to things. You're not typical so most of your interactions will not be either.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 12:24:02 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 12:15:44 amIf so, the legendary Mick Dodge is your man. He is a very charming person with a great sense of humor.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 12:28:31 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 12:15:44 amWho said "not now honey I am thinking about a problem at work"? I wouldneverreject sex (but I never cheated, despite I had many opportunities) from my gf, it's usually the other way around because whatever (it's too early and want to sleep, I'm busy, I'm tired, I have a headache...).Despite being a geek and ADHD, I have a somewhat wild personality. I cannot control easily some instincts, it's a shame at times.A man not smelling like a man after a shower? What do you mean? Do you like sweat and tobacco smell? You're so vintage!What was his hobby? Electronics? What a moron, be should have learned harder instead. I started late and crazy, so I have an excuse.Quote from: Mechanical Menace on September 12, 2015, 12:17:12 amMaybe I'm an horrible seducer and women in my city are a nightmare, or I scare them. I should improve my social skills too.What a polite way to say me crazy, thanks. Yes, I am!But maybe crazies can mate and be happy in their craziness, even if being obsessed geeks and such. Despite that, I like to travel and do other things when I have enough money.Dave should make an honest geek dating site that doesn't scams people.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 01:52:51 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 11, 2015, 11:05:37 pmLol!I live in Southern California and I like it here very much.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 02:13:01 am
content: Quote from: zapta on September 12, 2015, 12:24:02 amHave him bring me home some venison, salmon and freash mint. Yummmm

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 02:17:01 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 12, 2015, 12:28:31 amThat would be me; sex falls fairly low on my list of priorities.

author: cimmo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 03:13:08 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 02:13:01 amIt'll all taste like chicken, apparently?On a related note, I'm so glad winter is now over here in Oz, I hate having to wear shoes to keep my feet from becoming icy stumps.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 03:46:13 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 02:17:01 amLuckily she's bad at English. So no, you aren't an impersonator of her!Mines not so low, but my daily rhythm is chaotic and changes nearly each day. Just I like to switch activities and sex is one that make me feel very good.Two hours a day isn't so much time and can be saved by optimizing other activities. It's the best prescription against anxiety for me and you can burn tons of calories if you get creative while doing it!Ironically after sex, my gf falls asleep and I get mentally very active. So I read, study or watch some electronics videos stuff to learn.My mind can get very fast, but needs relaxing activities. Unfortunately we don't live together and her daily rhythm is very ordered.Quote from: cimmo on September 12, 2015, 03:13:08 amWinter? Damn. I look Arab but I hate hot, I even sweat here in winter. My genetics must be s crazy cocktail. I would love to live in a cold place, I love cold!Micke Dodge, his name sounds funny.What's his background? He talks quite educated, like a marine zoology university teacher I knew that died recently and behave that way (but a bit less radical and stoned all day).I think he uses too much herbs or used too much LSD and his taste perception is altered, who knows. He might be funny for some time, but I'm sure he will drive you insane after some good.I knew many of these "Mr. Natural" oldies. Great people, but in small dosages!

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:12:29 am
content: Yankee here refers to a type of ratcheting screwdriver often used to set wood screws, where you push down on it to drive the screw in. American ( and Canadians as well, just from the accent) are just Yanks, or tourists ( otherwise known as the mugging victim though as they often do not believe that this port city is dangerous in places).

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:29:02 am
content: QuoteAs a Yankee I remember that I have a Yankee somewhere. I just love this topic.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:39:31 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on September 12, 2015, 05:12:29 amQuite right, Stanley Yankee was available in 3 sizes, rarely seen these days, been replaced by cordless drivers/drills.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 06:43:22 am
content: I can still buy both the original Stanley and a cloner. they have the big advantage of still working even when used all day out in the middle of nowhere with no electricity available. You supply the energy alone, so you will be a little tired, but are a lot better off than if you were using a regular screwdriver. They also are usable in EEx areas with a bronze screwdriver bit. Never seen a cordless driver that is EEx rated, they tend to be big and corded. Something about brush sparking and batteries that can spark on poor connections.......

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 08:37:32 am
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on September 11, 2015, 08:00:22 pmMoral high standards combined with low accomplishment due to low courage and occupation leads to emtyness, frustration and jealousy.All that is needed to get victimizated by such details, it becomes their full-time job.Known before as whiners.Like many others, I personally know people of most kinds of minorities, they don't like the winers and victimized too.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 02:39:43 pm
content: Strange things humans, they seem to need to be derogatory to their neighbours.i grew up in Cambridgeshire where they talked about Norfolk people being tight or mean, I move to Norfolk which is next to Cambridgeshire and they say the same about people from Lincolnshire which is the next county over.Some other saying that I grew up with were "Bent as a nine bob note" meaning crooked but some times what is referred to as gay these days, another was "I wouldn't tie your shoe laces in front of him.Germans were referred to as krauts Italians as ities and the Japanese as nips.But as the bard says "if you prick us do we not bleed". We are all the same underneath but for some reason are always looking for the difference.If any one finds this observation offensive, I do not intend it to be in any way, just trying to point out some absurdities in our nature.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 03:11:18 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on September 12, 2015, 02:39:43 pmHumans are very unusual. For some reason they form small groups and then these groups oppose each other. That is relatively speaking. In prehistoric times tribes would fight each other. As humans ability to travel and organise increased the clans and tribes grew bigger until now we have countries which have an identity of their own and therefore will naturally oppose the other clan or country. It's pretty illogical but for some reason is the way humans are hardwired and has hindered and slowed much of our progress over the centuries. Instead of working together to find solutions to humanity's problems we bands into groups and fight over pretty much nothing.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 03:27:42 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 12:15:44 amI think that is one of the reason I never went after a 'geeky woman' (into electronics or computers). I don't like to talk about my work in social settings. It bores people to death. My wife however keeps going on and on and on about what happens at her workQuote from: Simon on September 12, 2015, 03:11:18 pmHumans are not unusual in that way. Monkeys do that same and I there will be other animals too (ants IIRC).

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 03:29:30 pm
content: It is not just humans, some of the other primates also do the same, Chimps and Gorillas are very political in their behaviour.There is some genetic need to form clans. Presumably it aided survival but humans have taken it to the level where it not only threatens human survival but that of the rest of the world.Hopefully electronics which started with war but now enable global communications will turn this trend around.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 03:53:55 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on September 12, 2015, 03:29:30 pmAnimals do it for survival, we have moved well on from that to illogical behaviour. Different is to be fought, but all new ideas were different once. We are slowly grinding to a halt and going baclwards.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 04:27:07 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 12, 2015, 03:53:55 pmIn what I personally see how society behaves: Going backwards since the nineties, came to a stop after 2010, ready to go forward.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 04:32:25 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on September 12, 2015, 06:43:22 amI believe that British Stanley discontinued their Yankee screwdriver, a few years after American Stanley discontinued it. The main problem with the Stanleys was their non-standard chuck, but an American Amish machinist came up with a standard 1/4" hex adapter for it. There is a good German clone on the market, that uses a 1/4" hex chuck. Seehttp://www.garrettwade.com/improved-yankee-style-screwdrivers/p/08C03.01/

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 04:47:43 pm
content: QuoteOn the contrary, wars and the like are big drivers in improvements. WWII gave us radar, nukes, jet aircraft, etc. Without that war those things wouldn't have been necessary and wouldn't have come along until much later (or perhaps not at all).The cold war put us on the moon, and then gave us spy satellites (hence Google Earth, etc). Without conflict we would progress much more slowly.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 04:48:12 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 12, 2015, 03:53:55 pmI am not convinced that is always the case; I have seen animals mainly cats torture their pray for the sheer enjoyment of the act before they kill and eat them. I guess that is why I like cats so much, they areSOmuch like humans.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 04:51:38 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 12, 2015, 04:47:43 pm[sarcasm alert]During the past two years, starting with the impending centenary of the first world war, I have immersed myself in historical reading about that period. Yeah, WW I really caused lots of progress and was well worth the carnage. And yes, it did lead to WW II so we could have all those other things.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 04:58:47 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 04:48:12 pmSee, that's why I like dogs. They are by default friendly and inquisitive. They only learn to hate cats after getting scratched on the nose when they go to greet them.Also, one of my dogs is the biggest quivering wimp ever, yet is the only one that is a demon killer. The first time she saw a rat in the yard it was dead within 2 seconds with fang marks right through its neck. The next time she did this a whole pack of rats scurrying from her in the back alley. They were dispatched with no hesitation or cruelty involved. Amazing to see.Good dog

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:05:57 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 12, 2015, 04:58:47 pmThey also torture other animals 'for fun.' They'll keep an animal alive much longer than they have to on a hunt or toss a still living cat around to listen to the squeals, loving every minute of it tail wagging away. But with cats and dogs it's meant to be part of learning, practice, and/or team building. Dolphins and Humans I believe are the only animals believed to do it purely for the jollies. Dolphins will even try to do the nasty with things they've killed just for the fun, and unfortunately that's something some people share with them though it's nowhere near as prevalent .

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:06:14 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 12, 2015, 04:47:43 pmnot really. It was the governments willingness to throw money at these technologies in the name of defence. You see governments only have an ergency to throw money at things for war mongering purposes. If we had a different attitude and wanted to advance peacefully we would be willing to spend the money in times of peace to advance all of us. A classic example is the abandonement of green technology and a tax on it. Green technology benefits us all, but not the money hungry coorporate mongrels that run the government.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:20:52 pm
content: QuoteExactly. And their unwillingness to do the same for pure science. Thus the war was the driver for progress.QuoteUh-huh. If I were rich I'd be wealthy. If I weren't fat I could do things thin people can. Etc etc. That's a wish, not recognition of reality, and as such it is meaningless - it is classic deus et machina.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:21:12 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on September 12, 2015, 05:05:57 pmYou don't like dogs do you, Menace?You wouldn't be a postman by any chance?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:26:10 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 12, 2015, 05:20:52 pmWar has been a driver of progress because someone was put in mortal danger. Is it logical, does it make sense that we have to kill each other to get the urge to develop technology. War means money, therefore money becomes available to develop technologies that win the war and they have other uses.But is we were not run by power and money hungry politics and attitudes we would find that perhaps we would use the money we have for war and developing technology for it just for the technology. but people don't like change, they don't want new technology that radically changes the way we do things.I was at a low carbon vehicle event last week and found a number of stand holders agreeing with me that the main obstruction to the adoption of battery vehicles will be peoples preference for a humming combustion engine and that the petrol heads would never want a battery car that they can't soup up.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:34:08 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 12, 2015, 05:21:12 pmLove them actually. Just don't like bad dog owners and I aren't ignorant to their past as an apex predator before we got hold of them.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:54:26 pm
content: Cats are far more vicious than dogs. We get a lot of frogs in our backyard after heavy rains and it's funny watching the dogs chasing the frogs trying to sniff them. They have never tried to harm them, they are just curious. 1 is a red Doberman mix and the other is a Shepard mix. The cats in the house(not mine, I don't like them) love to torture the lizards that find their way into the house. Most of the time we can get to it in time and rescue the lizard and get it back outside. As I work from home usually, the dogs are my constant office companions. It's great, they don't gossip around the water cooler and I can always get face licks anytime I want.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 05:57:01 pm
content: I'm pretty proud of myself - I didn't make any posts in the thread at all (except this one).

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 06:30:31 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 12, 2015, 03:53:55 pmTrust me we will all do the same weird shit as they do in the middle east if we have an empty stomage. It just takes one to preach hate and promise improvement if ..<whatever>.. gets killed and off you go. Americans are so good at it that they don't even need people with empty bellies.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 06:34:19 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on September 12, 2015, 04:58:47 pmDogs have a lot of positive attributes My roommate is a long time dog lover, she has a pair of Chesapeake Bay Retrievers, the male is a champion in breed, the bitch didn't make champion, her body type wasn't ideal like the boy's is. She was the first of the second set of dogs to live here with me and my (now deceased cat see avatar) Cat who had the run of the house before, When my cat tried to show Spring the (Chessey Bitch) who is boss, her replay was "OH BOY GAME, and my cat had to assume Beta Status.I like dogs, what I really don't like so much is their unconditional love, an abused dog will love you just as much. A cat on the other hand demands you earn their respect, and their love. I had one cat, a male I should have named Hannibal Lecter, the cat loved to torture his pray before eating it.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 06:48:03 pm
content: Quote from: xrunner on September 12, 2015, 05:57:01 pmyour point being ? no one is told not to post, those who can't stomach the discussion are recomended to not read and contribute. No one has offended anyone, it's been more cordial than technical discussions that descend into flame wars fast.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 07:16:18 pm
content: QuoteNice - it is on my wish list.So can this be used to drill holes into small plastic enclosures for circuit boards?

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 07:50:37 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 12, 2015, 06:48:03 pmEven when I say I'm proud of not getting into any more arguments here I get yelled at LOL!

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 07:54:42 pm
content: just saying.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 08:15:08 pm
content: Quote from: ez24 on September 12, 2015, 07:16:18 pmYou can see the drilling action here. This is for wood. Not sure if these bits work also for plastic.http://youtu.be/iiHzTs3-NS4

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 08:19:35 pm
content: QuoteActually there are not many arguments here. A lot of high brow philosophy.This has been an informative post - where else could I have learned so much slang from around the world. Also I found out about a German Stanley 1/4 inch screwdriver and have no idea why.xrunner - do you have any favorite tools you wish to share?

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 08:48:48 pm
content: 4chans /int international forumcan by quite amusing, if considerably more low brow! there's also /diy which is alright, but please stay away from /b for your own sanityHaving said that, I think everyone has moved off to 8chan or something? it's been a while since I ventured into the cesspit of the internet. I think I'm far too old for that stuff.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 08:51:52 pm
content: QuoteOf course not. But that ignores the facts: progressisgiven a boost during times of war. Conversely, without war we wouldn't progress at the same rate. Doesn't matter whether we like it or can think of much better ways, thefactsare that war promotes progress.That's all I'm pointing out to you because you said:QuoteAnd that hasn't hindered or slowed us at all - the reverse happens. Is it logical or would it make sense for use to say "Yeah yeah you hit the nail there" when, actually, you've bashed your thumb?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 09:00:26 pm
content: I meant we are going backwards socially. Our progress is no longer to the benefit of all, only in producing technologies that can be marketed for a price.Again it's up to governments what they do. nothing to stop them funding development and making ure we all reap the benefit. It's our money they spend after all.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 09:13:06 pm
content: QuoteAh, fair enough.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 09:37:57 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 12, 2015, 08:51:52 pmWar is the single largest waste of resources, the single largest contributor to environmental damage and much of its progress is of questionable social benefit. Unless we find a suitable alternative to war as we know it we will destroy ourselves within the lifetime of our children.We could turn our energy toward the stars and pursue the colonization of the Moon build habitats in asteroids that were mined for minerals and use the vast amounts of hydrocarbons in the atmospheres of the gas giants. Besides we have to start doing that soon otherwise we shall never leave this rock. Hawking is right we have less than a hundred to get out there and exploit what the solar system has to offer.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 09:47:40 pm
content: QuoteIf he is correct then we just are not going to make it in time. A millennium or two is a more realistic guess IMO.I think the world was on shaker ground in the 60s (hight of the cold war, Cuban missile crisis, etc) then today. I can't prove it but I suspect there is a smaller percentage of people living in poverty then say 50 years ago.Some people just need to take a pessimistic view of their life and the world, others are basically optimist.Pessimistic says the glass is half empty.Optimist says the glass is half full.Scientist says the glass is never truly empty.An engineer says the glass is twice the size required.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2015, 10:01:58 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on September 12, 2015, 09:47:40 pmBy now the US should have had a colony on the Moon, it would be self sustaining by now and we should be making our first plans on setting up a habitat in the interior of one of those iron asteroids. There was a faction of the anti war movement of the 60s and 70s I was a part of that wanted to see all that money used to kill women and children in far off countries used to further our exploration of space. What they are doing in the ISS should have been done in the early seventies.I am a "The glass is always full kind of gal, what it is full of is what is really important."Optimists tend to be that way because they have a hard time facing reality, or they feel helpless to do something about it... I get that...

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 02:34:26 am
content: Quote from: Simon on September 12, 2015, 05:26:10 pmLogic and science is often discouraged. It's not only stimulating and good mental gym, but can solve lots of issues if done properly. It can create new ones, but those can be mitigated with proper ways over time.My ideas are very near to the Star Trek universe:- Become sustainable.- Make totally automatized most low skilled or very time wasting manual work.- Make money and other stuff unnecessary- Optimize organization and reduce bureaucracy i by automatize it in a positive non-intrusive way.- Concentrate on promoting and pursuing knowledge, discovery and help others become better in their own context.- Pursue improvement in all ways from ourselves to others:* Fixing mind and body.* Improving them, even surpassing biological limits.* Become peaceful, logical, empathic and affective to others. Learn from others and understand them.Quote from: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 06:34:19 pmCats are proud animals, I really like how they behave.- They can be little rebel bastards at times, but that makes them funny.- Males are usually more docile than females but more rude and competitive against their own genre.- I happen to have lots more of alpha females:* It's amazing how they can be quite hostile even to males, dogs and other competitive females when they like to mate the same cat. I see it from my guest cats, they get free food and a place to stay, but often fight against my privileged cats over the window without dangerous results.* But I neutered most of my home cats, not my Siamese and others authorised plan ro. My Siamese isn't going to be neutered until something bad happens, she's quite healthy.- They are a fucking matriarchy, even babysitting kitties from other females or adopting them, and more willing to collaborate and unite forces than males. But in extreme cases everyone joins against the enemy.I somewhat liked Avatar movie because of that:* A sustainable biotechnologic environment with a good and sentient collective mind, with feline-like ways and a vitalistic tribal approach.* It's the biological way of an advanced sustainable society. They have their biological internet, benevolent sentient planet that manages things and backups minds in a positive way and creatures cooperate with you if treated adequately by using their tail "USB interface".I have lots of cats, I know them so well. I might be "The Cat Whisperer" or the crazy cat man. I don't care.I have a 16yo female Siamese:- I found her while I avoided school to go to my habitual computer shop and backed home.- She was a few months old and had a really ugly hair that improved after some days of tuna fish.- She was a crazy prankster:* She loved to bite my nose and run way.* She likes to break things while looking at at your face in a defiant and happy face.- She's really beautiful and and in excellent shape that looks much more younger, with a very athletic and very strong slim body. I envy her excellent genetics.- Currently she has a minor eye issue that's nearly going to get cured. She's a proud bitch, but she really like us. It's just she had too much "attitude", but getting older made her behave a lot better and calmed.She's my first cat. I really appreciate my snob pretty panther, even with her strong behaviour. I like people that way too, only if they have a very good side too.Quote from: Simon on September 12, 2015, 09:00:26 pmDo governments really exist?Quote from: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 09:37:57 pmI agree a lot. But we must evolve radically and disruptively as species to make that successful.Quote from: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 10:01:58 pmI would prefer trying it a lot more before dying, really.These days Elon Musk looks like the saver of space conquest. But i think there must be a lot more initiatives, even noon-profit NGO ones.- Engineering resources must be copyleft, shared and improved collaboratively, even forks. This could be like done with software.- Used tools must be reliable and same to get modified and improved: Extreme FOSS, Open designs and OSHW.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 03:22:28 am
content: I have been a cat person all my adult life, I am currently catless and have been so longer than I ever have in my life.Kayles(Kay-Less)(my Avatar) was found abandon by one of my roommates in a box with four other kittens all Siamese mix.We shared life together for just over thirteen years, we bonded within a few days and from that point on she always seemed ot know what I was thinking, I soon picked up that talent (with her help) She hated dogs with a passion. She never scratched up any of my furniture, she had one or more boxes to tear up, and she was encouraged to do so.It use to amaze my roommates when Kayles would get on the back of my chair or get in the window and wait for me to come home. She usually was there ten to fifteen minutes before I came in the door, didn't matter what time it was or where I went. She had two habits that annoyed my roommates, make that three....1. she would wait until the sky would be just the perfect shade of gray in the morning, go to the middle of the living room and cry until I got up to feed her.2. She liked to walk around on the kitchen counter even though there was no food. She got to where she would only do it at night and would make some noise that would let us know where she was. Well a spray bottle of bleach made my roommates feel better.. ...3. When I moved to Texas she would sit in the dining room with her front feet on the kitchen floor and cry until she got a piece of what we were going to eat. My former roommate and best friend (she is married now and living in Washington state.) would ask me in a obviously bothered sounding voice "Should I fix the cat a plate also?"On an august day in 2006 after just over thirteen years she had an appointment with the afterlife. She had to leave to prepare a place for both of us in the afterlife. Nine years and it is still hard to talk about her without my eyes all welling up with tiers....Kayles was more than a pet she was a friend.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 03:44:40 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 13, 2015, 03:22:28 amDo want another female cat? I will pay for her food. She is a rescued cat that has had a ruff life and several owners. She was abandoned in El Cajon. Very very smart cat but she has no teeth (I do not know why). I guess that she is about 6 yo. She wants to be inside but lives outside because she does not like my dogs. She comes inside for breakfast and dinner and will ignore my dogs at this time.If yes PM me.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 04:16:59 am
content: Quote from: ez24 on September 13, 2015, 03:44:40 amRight now it is just not practical.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 05:26:35 am
content: I am lying down,watching the Football with the cat that has attached herself to me.She really belongs to my daughter's boyfriend,but she seems to think she is "my cat"!

author: krish2487
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 07:18:47 am
content: @vk6zgoI beg to differ.She thinksyouare her cat!!!Having rescued and raised 3 such abandoned cats, 5 litters of one particular aforementioned abandoned cat and 7 dogs, I can understand the attachment we develop towards pets.I remember in the "show us your workshop" thread someone else made a comment about how they would not trust a human if their feline didn't like them.On another note, it is nice to the thread take a nice turn!!

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 07:47:52 am
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on September 13, 2015, 05:26:35 amCats never really belonged to anybody they choose who owns them or rather they choose who to befriend. When I lived in Italy the neighbour's son was a little shit and found this kitten which he decided was abandoned giving him the reason to bring it home. The kitten grew up to be a cat and never really liked them or their house so she would come over to us where we welcomed her and eventually she became pretty much our cat. She was extremely intelligent at first she didn't like it when we got cats of our own so we shooed her away and sprayed water at her. Then one day I came down into the garage and found her curled up with our cats. She went to run away thinking I would not want her there but I grabbed her and put her back down where she was and stroked her and soothed her and she stayed. She understood. She is the most intelligent cat I have ever known. She even worked out how to tell us she wanted her basket moving closer to the fire she would get in the basket and walk around in it and then jump out and walk over to the fireplace and now walk round in the circle. As soon as we move the basket she settled down in it. She outlived both the cats that we acquired as one was hit on the road and the other died in childbirth. The neighbour's son would come round and demand his cat Back and we would tell him it was nothing to do with us if the cat chose to come to our house and be in our garden. Eventually he gave up. Obviously we have since left and I've no idea what became of the cat despite temptation we did not take it with us as it would not have been practical at our new house and I have now since returned to the UK. I'm sure that cat missed us though, in southern Italy they don't treat animals very well but then it doesn't help that the church teaches them that they don't have any soul, the church is responsible for a lot of things including war not just a Christian church all religion causes wars. Groups of people do naturally tend to oppose each other having formed clans or groupings of whatever size but religion creates hardened irrational reason to fight each other. If I was running a country I would ban religion unless somebody could come and bring me solid scientific proof of their so-called God or gods.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:13:57 am
content: Quote from: Simon on September 13, 2015, 07:47:52 amYou're just itching for a reason to lock this thread.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:19:54 am
content: Quote from: tautech on September 13, 2015, 08:13:57 amWell as we are having an adult debate for once hopefully nobody is going to take offence. I'm not singling out any particular religion I would just ban all of them. I have already lost enough of my life to religion through having to attend church and the bigotry of other people just to keep my grandmother happy. It was only when I was working long hours and just oversleeping on a Sunday that she stopped forcing me to go to church despite being an adult of course. She was more worried about what other people thought than what I wanted. Jehovah witnesses do not exactly have a whale of a time when they come to see me. I don't tell them to get lost I engage with them to a point where they get lost themselves because they are simply indoctrinated and have memorised things to say and standard replies to standard questions and responses. I don't have standard replies and standard questions and they quickly go because they can't handle me.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:46:06 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on September 12, 2015, 05:20:52 pmFor pushing development, war is a really good situation.-they can momentary put democracy completely aside-they give the poor-winers some real poverty to the level they do not make noise anymore.-they give the hipsters and the bourgeoisie a new goal in life: not belonging to the new-real-poor-the proportional influence all kinds of people have is cut down, it becomes 1/0. Master or slave.-population is reduced too. so there is a time when population can grow again, witch means economical growt numbers.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:49:55 am
content: Quote from: xrunner on September 12, 2015, 07:50:37 pmI do not see yelling.You pretend to not post, I do not see a reason in that to be proud.But you do post, so you lie or did not keep a promise, I do not see a reason in that to be proud.But I am happy you are, and while I do not understand your quotes and/or I do not agree, I am happy you could type it down on this forum.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:57:04 am
content: Quote from: Simon on September 13, 2015, 07:47:52 amI think so too, but imagine,me being the boss of a country, millions of people asking for attention, millions starting to question my ruling abilities, whining about their version of "fair", whining about what they call "work" or purchasing power... pfff... not again..Who can install some distracting for these guys here? Do whatever you want but do something to keep them busy or attacking eatchother instead of me.Call it religion, TV, football, whatever.and give me some solid scientific proof that this "god" thing will help me :-)

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 10:49:49 am
content: Quote from: Simon on September 13, 2015, 07:47:52 amThat's sad.QuoteReligion in itself is not what causes wars. It's organised religion which is used to control people which is the man problem.Banning religion has done much more harm than good in the past. Communist states such as North Korea, USSR and China banned religion and look at what happened there: millions of deaths (much more than the Nazis) and totalitarianism.Freedom of religion is essential for a free society. Ideally the state should neither encourage nor discourage region or promote one religion over another. All religions should have to prove they're non-profit making organisations or pay the same level of tax as any other business.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 12:48:39 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 13, 2015, 08:19:54 amUnfortunately for you and most others who are caught up in the man made institutions that claim they are the middlemen for GOD the experience being negative is the norm rather than the exception. Thank GOD that middleman is not a requirement to attain spiritual awareness, enlightenment, and communion with GOD.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 01:59:33 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 13, 2015, 07:47:52 amThis will make you a ruler rather than a leader.

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 02:31:37 pm
content: I hate vehemently people on both sides that oppose religion and science.When you read Genesis, for example, you are not getting history or science, but 6000 years of how to divide a week and/or how to manage a project. To my own surprise, quite a lot is usefull and still valid today IF not taken litteraly. If millennia old religious book are used this way for the good of all, even as a staunch atheist, I don't see a problem.Science should be taken a such. Cold hard truths. It uses the scientific method that many a hard core Jesuit had no problem mixing with his faith. If they can, why can't an internet commenter? Lack of education I think.As for faith, if you have it, great for you, don't bore me with it. If you don't, great for you, don't bore me with it.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 03:01:18 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on September 13, 2015, 01:59:33 pmUnfortunately every free society drifts toward a dictatorship in one form or another.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 03:07:06 pm
content: Quote from: gildasd on September 13, 2015, 02:31:37 pmI think also you are getting an oversimplified view of possible events. There is a section in the book of Daniel that sounds like a description of the aftermath of an atomic bombing.The other thing...Old Testament dietary law is actually fairly sound advice given the time and the lack of knowledge of nutrition and food safety.One's belief in anything science, atheism or any given god is a religion. The belief in mathematics's ability to explain all of the world around us is a religion, the same with belief in one's self.The operative word isBelief.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 03:18:54 pm
content: I believe that this thread, while still staying very civil, is getting too close to locking territory.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 07:24:09 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on September 13, 2015, 03:18:54 pmIt was fun while it lasted.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 07:26:59 pm
content: Quote from: ez24 on September 13, 2015, 07:24:09 pmIndeed it was...Did you get my PM??

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:00:43 pm
content: Quote from: ez24 on September 13, 2015, 07:24:09 pmSame here, I enjoy reading it, and I appreciate the civil conduct. Mentioning religion tends to push the wrong buttons with Management.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:10:18 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on September 13, 2015, 08:00:43 pmThe laugh is Simon started it.The clock is ticking........Wil he? won't he?Dave?Seppy?Who's the other Mod we barely/rarely see these days?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:15:30 pm
content: My goodness we were being so adult for once I forgot the rules that we had to put in place for the children

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:16:22 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 13, 2015, 08:15:30 pmThere are a number of us who are perfectly capable of acting grown up, even on a bad day

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:18:15 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on September 13, 2015, 08:10:18 pmIn a forum I use to post on the operative phrase was In Before Thread Lock or IBTL.The sad part of it is...That forum has mods who are as childish as the the trolls that infest that forum.Don't see that here....Thank The GODS.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:19:35 pm
content: Gods or Mods

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:20:42 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 13, 2015, 08:16:22 pmWon't stay that way if Religion is discussed OR Politics, both recipies for disaster.Let's talk hobbys:RacingTrampingSportTravel

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:24:55 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 13, 2015, 08:19:35 pmGods, they don't have a "Report to Moderator" link on ANY of their posts.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:36:32 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on September 13, 2015, 08:20:42 pm+1But forget about sports, been there done that, a disaster on a forum if you have users from opposite teams, gets real nasty quick.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:37:40 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 13, 2015, 08:19:35 pm

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 08:46:23 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on September 13, 2015, 08:36:32 pmoposite teams, hm... no comment

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 09:14:11 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 13, 2015, 03:07:06 pmThe difference is in the basis for belief. In science beliefs change when evidence indicates that beliefs should. The most important statement a scientist can make is "I don't know". In religion beliefs become doctrine and holding fast to doctrine becomes really important. Questioning doctrine and trying to change it is called heresy.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2015, 10:05:16 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on September 13, 2015, 09:14:11 pmTo borrow an old phase "Where the Rubber Meets the Road" the human element has an effect on both.Often in science it is what you don't look for that is as important as what you looked for. in religion interpretation is the same element of chance.The early Chorlestorl drugs worked by blocking a chemical that was used in the formation of Cholesterol The problem is the same chemical was used in the formation of co-enzyme Q-10 an essential nutrient for the maintenance of cells. Those statin drugs caused more problems than they "cured". come to find out that dietary cholesterol doesn't directly effect cholesterol in the first place.Science is only as good as the people who do the science.Religion is only as good as the honesty of the people preaching the religion.The human element in both is the problem, but we have to live with it.A very smart man once told me, "what you believe doesn't matter, it's what the people who control your life believe that really matters."...If the people that make the laws here in California believe that when you die your soul goes into the oil drip pan in a garage in East LA; they are going to act accordingly, and it will effect me. It pays to know what your leaders believe, God help you if they believe they are superior to you.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 07:44:49 am
content: Quote from: zapta on September 13, 2015, 08:00:43 pmThe new goal is now to be the last poster before this tread gets locked.It can't contain insults, no spam, nothing implicit against the rules, no harrasment, but in any way or another has to trigger the LOCK button.(For the ones who are still not ready to get unplugged: this is a joke)(for the mods and admin: do not trigger the BAN button)

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 07:47:21 am
content: Quote from: Galenbo on September 14, 2015, 07:44:49 amWe'll follow your lead.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 07:55:12 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 13, 2015, 10:05:16 pmI'd disagree. I'd say science is only as good as the people who do the science are honest. Religion is only as good as the ability of the followers to ignore it.If the preachers were honest and really believed what they claim to not a single religion would have a group as tolerant as the Westboro Baptist Church. Well apart from maybe Jainism. Every other religion, including political ideologies, has it's fanatics that will happily kill for and as a direct result of their beliefs.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 11:30:22 am
content: QuoteMe me

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 11:31:01 am
content: People will always find somethig to fight and argue over. One way or the other.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 11:35:35 am
content: I like pie.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 11:39:00 am
content: I like pie, too but SWMBO hates pie.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 11:41:10 am
content: I HATE pie - it is too irrational

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 11:54:54 am
content: Quote from: Simon on September 14, 2015, 11:31:01 amOh no we won't

author: GNU_Ninja
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 12:04:42 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on September 14, 2015, 11:35:35 amI prefer Tau.http://tauday.com/... Let the flame war commence

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 01:22:44 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on September 14, 2015, 07:55:12 amI think we are close enough to saying the same thing.

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 01:45:58 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on September 14, 2015, 11:54:54 amPardon me, but is this a 5 minute argument or the full half hour?

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2015, 05:28:45 pm
content: No, more the 30 second shouting match at the "other eedjit" in the other car as he/she/they/it passes doing something that you disagree with.Can be cathartic, but often just leads to frustration, and to the going all Harry Potter and the Unnamed One Who No Longer Is Here style of actions.Although as they say about calcium carbonate, lithic formations, lignin and low amplitude vibration, nothing comes from it. It merely serves to pass the time between the first moment where there is a concept of self and the last coherent concept of self.Ans, as it is a new Year, if you are of that faith, we should all look forward to a good year ahead and put the past behind us, and learn a sound lesson from both our mistakes and those who also made them.