Evolving science - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 03:19:27 pm
content: Two pieces of news today were interesting to me:1) a team of scientists hypothesized that the center of the earth contains a carbon - iron compound (vs. Nickle - iron compound generally thought). If true, that means 2/3 of the carbon on earth is in the core.2) another team of scientists found that eating fatty foods, butter + cheese, doesn't negative impact your health. They found that the "less fat diet" directive issued by the UK/US governments from the late 1970s and early 1980s lacked scientific basis. One theory was that as the intake of fat goes down, people start to load up on carbohydrate, which I think in part explained the concurrent explosion of diabetes.That to me is real science: keep challenging the conventional wisdom.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 03:44:09 pm
content: Sources please? Can't really comment on the findings or methodology without them.Quote from: dannyf on February 10, 2015, 03:19:27 pmNah, real science is just following the evidence to a conclusion. Sometimes that just reinforces conventional wisdom but is no more or less valuable* than findings that overturn it.*Though I'll admit less exciting.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 09:30:19 pm
content: Google will find plenty of references.The earth thing is fairly new but the fat thing has been known about for a long time.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 09:32:14 pm
content: Do we really need to start another one of these discussions again? (I know exactly where this will end up.)

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2015, 01:19:54 am
content: So does he, that's why he started the thread. I'm beginning to wonder whether he does this shit on purpose, and why it's allowed to continue. This guy will slip some political or climate babble into every damned place he can find to shove it, and when he can't find a new place, he makes one. I wish he'd piss off to a political forum.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 11, 2015, 02:23:59 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on February 11, 2015, 01:19:54 amI haven't noticed this because obviously can't read every thread, but if dannyf is starting "political or climate babble" all over the forum then that is indeed not welcome here.Another user just got warned for posting not much apart from political commentary.

author: opty
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2015, 06:29:08 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 11, 2015, 02:23:59 amI can't believe Dave fell for the trap. This is an electronics forum! and according to Simon we can't discuss anything else herehttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/science-today/Could moderators please lock this topic?Opty

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2015, 06:38:24 pm
content: Everything evolves. Who knows. Danny might actually evolve from being a very poor Turing machine bot into something that possibly could pass the Eliza test some day.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2015, 06:39:34 pm
content: "Science" has always seemed "settled" at every point in the evolution of science.There have ALWAYS been people who think that everything is completely discovered and understood.Of course history has proved that this notion is completely absurd.We only know what we know NOW. To assume there is no more is completely anti-scientific.BTW: Many nutritionists and epidemioligists think that dietary fat is actually the underlying problem causing Type-2 diabetes.Dietary carbs is only the "catalyst" that exposes the problem.The general decline of our metabolisms and lack of exercise is a major factor, as well.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2015, 06:53:16 pm
content: Quote from: opty on February 12, 2015, 06:29:08 pmThere's a difference between discussing non electronics stuff and constantly trolling with political and poorly veiled anti-science posts. Whether starting new threads or constantly interjecting it into unrelated threads - the intent is the same.I appreciate the moderators vigilance and would be happy to see such topics banned or locked. I plead guilty to responding (in a fruitless effort to keep the falsehoods from going unchallenged) - but would rather not have those discussions here on this forum. Ridding the forum of the nonsense would be welcome IMHO.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2015, 10:26:47 pm
content: Discussions like this are quite interesting in that it shows there is a little dictator in everyone of us. When absolute power is given, there is a near absolute certainty that it will be exercised in an absolutely corrupt way -> "I will shut you down because I deem you wrong".It takes a Herculean effort to resist that urge and very few people can do that.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2015, 10:37:49 pm
content: These discussions are no longer interesting, and will inevitably end up dividing this community even further. Furthermore, this is an electronics forum, so the discussion is not particularly relevant to the subject matter.Each "side" has stated their opinion. And we each know where we stand. You are not going to change anyone's minds unless you have completely new evidence, which I've not yet seen. That excludes, "sometimes science is wrong, therefore, climate science (or <X> science) could be wrong", as that's just conjecture. I think you've created two or three of these posts so far. Perhaps you could supply one which actually addresses the points that were made before?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 12, 2015, 10:55:17 pm
content: Quote from: opty on February 12, 2015, 06:29:08 pmI cannot possibly see every post that Dannyf makes to know if he's been doing this regularly.So only when it bought to my attention can I do something.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 12, 2015, 10:58:43 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on February 12, 2015, 06:53:16 pmCorrect.I don't mind occasional off-topic stuff on this forum (esp anything science related), and it's impossible to stop threads drifting off-topic.But if there are people who are constantly starting off-topic threads or deliberately interjecting political or *insert agenda* topic into threads then they are not welcome here.Dannyf can consider himself on notice, as can another person who has been informed.Thread locked.