ZeroBreeze: The MayiandJay DMCA LOLs - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 01:25:48 am
content: Wow, this clueless fool MayiandJay who reviewed the ZeroBreeze portable airconditioner is destroying his own channel, and it's hilarious to watch.TLDR;Thunderf00t does a ZeroBreeze BUSTED video, using some of MayiandJays review video clearly under Fair Use.MayaindJay files a false DMCA claim, and Thunrdef00t responds:MayiandJay releases a response video were he doesn't apologise, still implies he might be in the right, removed the DMCA claim, and still asks that Tunderf00t remove the video!And he used his kids (including one that's autistic) as an excuse.But that video was removed hours later after he got comment bombed for his non-apology and using his kids as a shield.At this point all his video were getting ratioed to buggery and comment bombed, so he shut off thumbs rating and now moderates comments on all his videos.Thunderf00t reposonds:Now MayiandJay is tripling down thinking he understand copyright law and this it wasn't Fair UseThis will only get better, grab your

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 03:29:28 am
content: Wow. This guy can't have even read the "What is fair use?" page that he linked to.Interesting to see Jason's fans supporting him in the comments. What would be kind-of hilarious is if they both tried to crowdfund a law suit against each other.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 04:05:59 am
content: Quote from: Kean on September 23, 2019, 03:29:28 amHe doesn't have many fans, he'd be lucky to raise a few hundred bucks. But I'd pay to see that death match!

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 04:20:03 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 23, 2019, 04:05:59 amExactly, the lawyers (and fair use) would be the primary winners.I'd certainly contribute toward the fair use argument, and support EFF, Leonard French, etc. And I'd buy plenty of popcorn.Of course MayiandJay would make a big fuss about how they're being picked on by Thunderf00t and his fans, without getting the point that it is because they've always been the ones in the wrong.I'm not a fan of Thunderf00t's style & tone, but he does create some debunking & science related videos that are worth watching.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 04:33:35 am
content: Quote from: Kean on September 23, 2019, 04:20:03 amYes, he's incapable of realising or accepting this.Since he removed the claim, he's obviously watched Youtube's video about Fair Use and now think he's an expert so now thinks he can win this argument. I greatly doubt he's sought actual legal advice on the matter.QuoteYou don't have to be a fan of someone in order to support them and/or their position and/or their fight.The PragerU vs Youtube lawsuit is a good example, I don't like PragerU in the slightest, but I sure hope they win.And that's a big problem with today's society, few people don't want to (or are scared to) actually have nuance and discriminate content any more. Like it's no longer possible to like some of a channels video content, yet dislike or even outright abhor other content they make.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 05:11:23 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 23, 2019, 04:33:35 amI also wouldn't be surprised if he had.Legal advice isn't always correct, no matter how much you pay for it. Legal systems worldwide are continuous proof of this.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 05:33:37 am
content: Quote from: Kean on September 23, 2019, 05:11:23 amDennis Denuto

author: m12lrpv
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 05:46:14 am
content: OMG"He claims that he's a scientist...""A scientist first off knows their stuff a little bit better than thunderf00t..."

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 05:47:20 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 23, 2019, 05:33:37 amBest Movie Ever!Cast:Quote(my uncle)

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 05:50:50 am
content: Quote from: m12lrpv on September 23, 2019, 05:46:14 am

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 05:58:38 am
content: Quote from: m12lrpv on September 23, 2019, 05:46:14 amI'd tire trying to respond to that video point by point, I lost track of the number of times he was wrong.

author: m12lrpv
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 06:08:01 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 23, 2019, 05:58:38 amYeah he's wrong and he f'd up but the best course of action is to just let it blow over because in reality you can't fix stupid.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 07:31:09 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 23, 2019, 01:25:48 amMy particular favorite thing in this video is that around 19:40 he asks people about their opinions on the story. Meanwhile he is deleting comments like I've never seen before. Apparently only certain opinions are allowed

author: agehall
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 09:48:54 am
content: Holy crap!? He tripled down on this!? Has he not done ANY research on whom he is pissing off here!?Me:

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 10:42:27 am
content: Quote from: daqq on September 23, 2019, 07:31:09 amIf you post a comment is goes into a moderation cue, he then manually approves or deletes every comment.He only posted one out of a half a dozen of mine.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 10:48:12 am
content: Quote from: m12lrpv on September 23, 2019, 06:08:01 amThunderf00t won't be able to resist the bait, so I'm sure we'll get another funny reply video. But you wouldn't pursue him legally unless he DMCA's the video again.And yep, there seems to be a level of stupid here that is unfixable.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 10:49:12 am
content: QuoteHe didn't post my particularly snarky oneHe must have a lot of work with all of the bile pouring in his general direction

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 10:51:05 am
content: DMCA is a US thing correct? What if a non US citizen starts misusing the DMCA? Other than getting his channel taken down...Alexander.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 11:06:27 am
content: Quote from: firewalker on September 23, 2019, 10:51:05 amCorrect, a US law, and if your server in the US or you are a US company then you have to comply.If someone outside the US abuses it, not much you can do really.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 02:28:27 pm
content: He just removed comments entirely on a bunch of recent videos that had hundreds of (negative) comments and hundreds of thumbs up for the comments, some even into the thousand thumbs up range.Guess he couldn't handle the volume

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 03:49:18 pm
content: OT... but I couldn't helpat this comment on Thunderf00t's last videoQuote

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 03:53:42 pm
content: Quote from: Kean on September 23, 2019, 03:49:18 pmThat's true for all but 1% of yootoob vids. Fewer than 1% of talking head vids are useful.

author: harshbarj
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 07:06:11 pm
content: Quote from: m12lrpv on September 23, 2019, 05:46:14 amI disagree with Thunderf00t on some things, but one thing I am sure of is he IS a scientist. He works in chemistry and physics. He has written papers that have been peer reviewed.One thing I do know, this is going to be a fun week.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 08:04:48 pm
content: Quote from: harshbarj on September 23, 2019, 07:06:11 pmOne other thing Phil knows...is how a damn air conditioner works...*mic drop*

author: blacksheeplogic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2019, 09:50:14 pm
content: All of this attention in the long run is only going to help his channel grow. Personally I don't agree with him, his tactics, and from the snippet in Thuderfoot's video it's pretty obvious the review was unconsidered.... I'm not going to give him a view or comment on his videos which will only serve to grow his channel.While I agree with Thunderfoot's position and that it was fair use, sometimes it's better to just let an issue go. Once his video was back up he should have dropped the issue, by all means file a complaint for the abusive take down but it's not serving a purpose to continue the war of YouTube responses.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 24, 2019, 12:11:32 am
content: Quote from: blacksheeplogic on September 23, 2019, 09:50:14 pmHe had to disable comments completely on recent videos, that's going to hurt his channel.QuoteHe did drop the issue. His video was not restored until after he made the videos.I spoke to Phil and he was done, he moved on, but now MayiandJay has done another video calling him evil, so another response coming for shits and giggles!

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2019, 01:50:13 pm
content: Comments are still up on both Zero Breeze vids and no amount of AC is gonna cool the heat coming off them. His like/dislike ratio is definately tanking (assuming every insult is a thumbs down). His subs are probably still just as stupid, but his channel is totally wrecked.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 25, 2019, 12:20:35 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on September 24, 2019, 01:50:13 pmYep, it's wrecked.Comments disabled entirely on many new videos because of massive comment bombing. Lack of thumbs data means no engagement, so that will be take a hit on his channels search ranking as well. Plus all the time to moderate comments.All entirely self inflicted

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2019, 03:24:58 am
content: If the guy deletes his channel it would be funny to see Thunderf00t do a fake memorial where he plays Amazing Grace for about 10 seconds saying "we will always remember a small Youtube channel that died today" before going full overdrive distortion showing screenshots of all the crap that went down including the disabled comments and stuff, the nasty comments left on the vids he missed, before ending with a "pop" and the channel going poof.And of course it has to include the scene from "Cats and Dogs" where Mr.Tinkles goes "you are all fired! That's right, fired! Go home now! Do not ask why! You have no one to blame but yourselves!"

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2019, 11:22:47 am
content: I normally enjoy the "Dodgy Technology" threads here -- some hilarious technology claims, and usually some good technical arguments to debunk them.But a thread, on a forum associated with a Youtube channel, about two other Youtube channels which are fighting it out over copyright claims? Sigh...Guys, real life is just outside, beyond that monitor in front of you and the next window! And there is even some content about real lifeonthat monitor, if you look in the right places...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 25, 2019, 11:37:27 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on September 25, 2019, 11:22:47 amSaid the person who just posted here instead of ignoring the thread?

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2019, 11:41:03 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 25, 2019, 11:37:27 amYes, since my "real life" alternative is my desk in the office at the moment.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 29, 2019, 01:58:46 am
content: Leonard French has posted an analysis of this whole dramaI haven't watched it yet, but he is normally really good at this stuff

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2019, 03:14:27 pm
content: I posted that on mayiandjay's video, he's probably gonna take it down soon.I'm supprised he even bothered to post a new video at all (Dave already started the troll train XD).

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2019, 06:20:51 pm
content: What is it that makes it so hard for people to admit being wrong?I mean, whenever I point out someones error, no matter how egregious, and they answer with aow crap, you're right; lemme fix this, all I feel is.When I err, and someone points it out and helps me fix it, I feel like, because I am no longer giving bad advice; it's like I feel we worked together, and well too.Sure, it stings a bit being wrong, and makes me cringe, definitely, but I consider that the (small!) price for learning.So.. why?

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2019, 11:43:47 pm
content: Because some people grew up with primarily emotional rather than rational arguments, and the winner of an argument is opposite for the two cases. Later in life, they apply what they've learned to other situations, and fail to realize that they're only making things worse.It's a negative feedback system, programmed into basic human psychology. Take that feeling of cringe. What if it bothered you more? What if it bothered you so much, you would do anything to avoid feeling it? Why, you'd lash out of course. And that searing rage gives you emotional validation, further reinforcing the reaction.It's fair to say it's a negative feedback system, because emotional responses are always stronger than rational ones, even in well trained, rational people.Tim

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 12:40:46 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on September 29, 2019, 03:14:27 pmI'm surprised he approved my comment

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 12:59:28 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 30, 2019, 12:40:46 amHe's given up on moderating it seems. You can troll on his rebuttal video too (as I said it probably means he's gonna delete it).

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 01:21:32 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on September 30, 2019, 12:59:28 amI have half a dozen comments on the rubuttal video sitting on his moderation cue, or just deleted.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 01:59:12 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 30, 2019, 01:21:32 amhuh, when did you post them, 'cuase there are certainly a lot of comments calling him out now.

author: scatterandfocus
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 02:14:14 am
content: Seeing the advertisements for that thing is hilarious alone.It is it's very own parody.But it seems we're living in the age where marketing schemes trump all, whether it is used for products, politics, music/art, general perceptions, whatever.Any way, watch the tale end of this video:Everyone is selling something these days, it seems, where crap products are pushed as useful, bad products are pushed as good, and even good products are pushed as being bad. The lack of integrity today has no bounds, and the levels of deception run deep and wide.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 02:44:52 am
content: That's an odd video. He tests it honestly and then says despite the fact that it does nothing the wind itself couldn't already do he'd want one. I'd guess not enough to pay for it.

author: scatterandfocus
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 02:59:12 am
content: Quote from: maginnovision on September 30, 2019, 02:44:52 amDeceptive marketing is twisted stuff. Look at the comments. People today don't care what sort of lies they have to spin to sell things. It seems they will say anything to avoid real work.He says over and over that it is his mate's, not his. Then further down in the comments he says:Quote

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 03:40:16 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on September 30, 2019, 01:59:12 amWhen the video first came out. Only one out of maybe 6 were approved and started to get thumbs up until I edited it and must have put it back into the moderation cue.Just posted a new comment under EEVblog2 as a test, hasn't shown up so far...

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 04:51:13 am
content: IDK then, maybe he's finally gonna do an apology or something? Can't explain why the actual truth is getting through, hare dare there be honest comments and not his few meager fanbois. (Though is does say 41 comments and there seems to be far less so maybe he's even deleting his fan comments)My personal favorite comment is the guy who was watching modded Minecraft and went down a rabbit-hole of suggested videos before ending up on that one and claiming "I take no sides".It's fallout is starting to affect innocent bystanders!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 30, 2019, 05:47:09 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on September 30, 2019, 04:51:13 amHe was getting hundreds of comments per video, all negative, some with thousands of thumbs down. He disabled comments entirely on those videos.His comment moderation must still be filled with new ones every day, maybe some slip though.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2019, 03:23:38 am
content: I know MayiandJay only from his reviews of Android-running iPhone clones several years ago, I didn't think it was that big of a channel...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 03, 2019, 07:38:10 am
content: Quote from: amyk on October 03, 2019, 03:23:38 amIt's not.And it gets 5% sub to view ratio on many videos, so not a very loyal viewer base.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2019, 01:09:02 am
content: Quote from: scatterandfocus on September 30, 2019, 02:14:14 amDoesn't name says it all on this one?They did name it "Zero Breeze" so I didn't expect much despite the claimsOn the partial tear down below at the end he claims it does give it a little bit of cold air.The grill on that mark 2 frightens me a bit it looks like some kind of insect/worm with teeth.What I like about Thunderfoot on this one is that he explains how air conditioning works very easily with gas heating and cooling on compressing and expanding all demonstrated in his lab with his equipment doing the thermal monitoring and that's what I call educational.Edit:I have found a partial teardown:

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2019, 03:59:00 am
content: Phase change coolants (vapor-compression refrigeration) are interesting. The current ones I know about (other than water) are nasty and/or flammable, but chemists are hard at work trying to find new ones.Swamp coolers use water exactly like that. As sunlight and ambient air vaporizes the water from a fabric, that vaporization absorbs energy, lowering the temperature of the damp fabric. The solid-liquid transition can store even more energy: just think of how ice keeps stuff cold so well.(You don't need to heat the water to 100°C to get some of it to vaporize. Vaporization starts at temperatures and pressures where water becomes liquid; at boiling point, vaporization becomes complete.)I was going to waffle a bit about how there might be a refrigerant suitable for human use, but then I realized, we already do.If you want to make a portable human cooler, put a fan, some blocks of ice, and netting to trap the humidity, into an enclosure; so that the fan pulls in dry air from outside, pushes it past the ice, and the loose netting traps excess moisture; the air blowing out is nice and cool. Ta-dah!It isn't going to win any awards for energy efficiency, but who cares?

author: scatterandfocus
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2019, 03:43:34 pm
content: Probably light quick drying reflective clothing and wearable cooling packs would be more effective over anything mechanical.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2019, 07:55:06 pm
content: Wearable cooling packs condenses water to their surface from the ambient air, and become wet; that's why I suggested using them as baffles in front of a fan, with a loose netting afterwards to catch excess moisture.I do use a big water bottle, filled a little over half way with ice and the rest water, wrapped in a couple of pillow cases or a towel, for a cooling "battery" for the very hottest nights in the summer, as I fall asleep easier then. The fabric both isolates reducing the heat flow (thus it stays cool for the entire night), and keeps ambient air humidity from getting too fast to the cold bottle surface so the fabric casing doesn't get too damp.Ah, so I guess, wrapping wearable ice packs with suitable fabrics would work, too.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2019, 09:31:15 pm
content: You could get naked and let your sweat do its job too.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2019, 10:48:46 pm
content: Quote from: maginnovision on October 04, 2019, 09:31:15 pmI do, but without the cloth-wrapped ice bottle, the linen gets uncomfortably wet, waking me up to change them in the middle of the night. The cloth-wrapped ice bottle helps, as it reduces the amount of sweat; it works best for me.Note that I do use a ceiling fan as well. It reduces the amount of sweat needed to cool down, as the added airflow helps with evaporation. I do avoid the highest speed (even though it is quiet enough to not bother my sleep), as it tends to give me ear canal issues (earache due to draft, or some such).Having several options also allows for variety.If sleeping is not an issue, but falling asleep is, once can also put the linen into the freezer. I've done that too.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2019, 02:38:18 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on October 04, 2019, 03:59:00 amActually, I have done a comparison between using ice for air conditioning and operating a conventional air conditioner from lithium batteries, it turns out the BTUs of cooling per pound of energy storage medium are similar. And water is orders of magnitude cheaper than batteries.That said, batteries have a near infinite dynamic range for accepting power from variable sources like solar (maximum limited by charge current limit, but basically no minimum) while off the shelf A/C compressors running from VFDs would be lucky to get 3:1. Thus most likely I'll go for a hybrid approach for my (planned) PV thermal storage project, especially since I will need batteries anyways for other uses.

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2019, 06:59:31 pm
content: As a kid, I made ice air conditioning for my blanker forts all the time (yes, I was THAT kind of kid). Small DC motor with a propeller blade, and we had these turned aluminum cups, fill one with ice, set the air flow to blow over the metal cup full of ice, and bang, my little fort was nice and cool, even though we had no AC in the house.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2019, 08:55:44 pm
content: QuoteBut you have to freeze it somehow. Doesn't grow on trees, you know (well, not anywhere you might want aircon anyway).

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2019, 05:09:27 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on October 09, 2019, 08:55:44 pmIt takes energy to charge batteries, too. In the beginning, I thought a battery operated super portable A/C would be a useful invention for those on the go like construction workers, but now that I did the calculations, it's pretty much just an expensive alternative to ice packs with few advantages.Doing some research on solar powered VFDs, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of running an A/C compressor directly from solar, but there are many solar VFDs for running pool pumps. I doubt one of those will work on a compressor due to the torque curve being way different.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2019, 05:53:13 am
content: Horses for courses - I reckon a battery is going to have a slightly longer shelf life than a block of ice. Of course, if you're wanting to use it right now it's different.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 11, 2019, 08:51:21 am
content: Having only just stumbled on this thread, I've watched all the videos. It's clear that this "Jay" bloke doesn't really have a correct understanding of how Copyright (or law in general) works, even in the USA. He contradicts himself between the video he made about what "really" happened and his responses to Thunderf00t. He spends most of his time showing that parts of his videos were being used (that fact isn't in dispute).It's a classic case of "dig up stupid". I hope he learns a lesson or two and modifies his conduct in the future.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 12, 2019, 03:01:06 am
content: RED ALERT!

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2019, 02:39:44 pm
content: This one looks like a gadget from the 50's...

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2019, 07:54:38 am
content: Looks like the front of a Ford Edsel...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 13, 2019, 12:16:15 pm
content: Quote from: ThickPhilM on October 13, 2019, 07:54:38 amIt's a Kickstarter!And (SPOILER) the comments aren't great.MayiandJay will give it a thumbs up I'm sure!

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2019, 01:50:02 pm
content: I'm sure it'll be just as successful as these were...

author: ludzinc
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 01:15:59 am
content: Links? So others can enjoy the fun (my google-fu is falling me atm).

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 01:52:43 am
content: Quote from: ludzinc on October 14, 2019, 01:15:59 amI didn't notice how old it was, it's from Sep 2018https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/548470077/coolingstyle-portable-multifunctional-air-conditioand of course also in Indiegogohttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/coolingstyle-the-coolest-portable-air-conditioner#/