Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...  - Page 1
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author: BravoV
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 11:15:51 am
content: Looking at the shinny machinery used, all do not look old at all, I guess vinyl records (niche market) is still a thing in South Korea.

author: AVGresponding
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 11:26:03 am
content: They are still a thing all over the world, whether you are an audiophile, audiophool, hipster, or just plain nostalgic. Even Compact Cassettes have made something of a comeback, though you can't buy a decent player new these days, unlike with vinyl.

author: Ed.Kloonk
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 11:28:06 am
content: Limited edition Paul McCartney have turned out to be a bit sub par.

author: Ice-Tea
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 11:35:35 am
content: A lot of stores around here cary more LPs than CDs. Not so niche...

author: jonovid
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 12:11:16 pm
content: there is hope corded telephones and paper money make a big comeback, that the great reset becomes the global nothingburger.

author: themadhippy
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 12:19:09 pm
content: QuoteVynal has been outselling cds for a year or 2 now,of course its nothing to do with people downloading stuff instead of buying a cd

author: AndyBeez
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 01:02:51 pm
content: Quote from: themadhippy on December 23, 2022, 12:19:09 pmA local charity has opened a speciality record and tape store. Apparently, themyoung oneswho where weened on downloads, have discovered the delights ofSOLID-FImedia. Any record is now rare vinyl, even cheesy James Last apparently. Most sought after discs are early British punk, heavy metal and 'northern soul' (Motown). As for record players, one concession to the 21st century, these need to have a USB connector, so the vinyl can be ripped to iTunes. Kids eh?So don't scrap that antique cobweb gathering Technics, Sony, Bush or B&O music centre from the late 70s, as some teenager might think you're the coolest (old) guy ever for having a vinyl deck with a built in Dolby tape player - with the bass and treble graphic equaliserGranddaddy Cool

author: NiHaoMike
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 01:04:01 pm
content: Quote from: jonovid on December 23, 2022, 12:11:16 pmCorded phones never went away, there are few advantages to having a desk phone be Wifi connected.

author: Gyro
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 01:11:08 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on December 23, 2022, 11:15:51 amI love the bit at 4:30 where, after the mastering, metalizing and several washing stages, they then dress the edge of the disc on a cheap belt sander!

author: themadhippy
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 02:16:00 pm
content: Quotelooks like i could be sitting on a fortuneQuoteso "wasting my pocket money on that row" was a good investment,think i'll fire up some original zepplin or floyd,or one of the many others on my rega P3 to celebrate

author: BravoV
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 03:04:54 pm
content: Quote from: jonovid on December 23, 2022, 12:11:16 pmWell personally, I have nothing against that, but please, do NOT bring back film based camera, really ..REALLY hate that era, the curse of maxed out 36 photo shots and other gazillions of inconvenient.

author: TimFox
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timestamp: December 23, 2022, 05:05:47 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on December 23, 2022, 03:04:54 pmA few years before I retired, the boss was yanking my chain for using large-format (sheet-film) cameras for quality pictures (not vacation snaps) claiming they were obsolete.His hobby was raising draft horses.I pointed out that the horseless carriage and tractor had been invented.I am always amused by people with their own hobbies and interests who cannot understand other people's interests.

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: December 24, 2022, 02:44:16 am
content: Vinyl records are still being produced in significant quantities. Some people like that, there is a market. Nothing wrong with that.

author: jonovid
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timestamp: December 24, 2022, 03:22:20 am
content: Quote from: TimFox on December 23, 2022, 05:05:47 pmOne for the record,perhaps Im not in the groove. do prefer reel to reel tape for its home recording ability.I still welcome new technology, however sometimes what was ouce science fiction Should in my opinion remain fiction.having seen so many movies about how the present day is supposed to be, shock horror! I came to the conclusionnot all new technology used by the general public is mutualy beneficial to a cohesive society.

author: Black Phoenix
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timestamp: December 24, 2022, 03:35:36 am
content: There has been an uptrend in the Vinyl, Compact Cassette and the more younger Mini-Disc in the last years.Heck even the Zune is getting popular now...

author: Gyro
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timestamp: December 24, 2022, 10:07:48 am
content: The Compact Cassette one, I really don't get. I saw a guy eagerly rifling though a shelf full in a second hand shop the other day!The home recordings I did on TDK-SA used to be pretty good but the pre-recorder ferrite tape releases were always rubbish.

author: AndyBeez
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timestamp: December 24, 2022, 10:47:25 am
content: Quote from: Gyro on December 24, 2022, 10:07:48 amThe compact cassette thing is a vibe I'm not feeling either. Tape (unless reel-2-reel) was always a consumable format, used mostly forpause pushing. If I wanted to actuallypaythe record companies, I'd buy a CD - because those were a zillion times better than crappy vinyl. I only ever used chrome tapes in my Kenwood deck, as they sounded good with DolbyB and were very affordable in packs of ten. All ferric tapes were good for was, turning the pinch wheel brown and making into mix tapes for mates - who I knew would screw up the tape in their rubbish car radio-cassette player, which back in the day was an in-car status symbol. I once used a set of metal tapes for recording a mate's band, but really TDK chrome dioxid' was more than adequate. Wind on (or jog on) and have you seen the price of 'new old' tapes on eBay? Me thinks I should bulk erase the big box of tapes as I'm sitting on asmallfortune.On the subject of winding on, one culture shock for new players is the notion of winding stuff on and changing sides. There are no menus, drop downs or voice activations, just your finger on the FF and FW. The fast cueing of tapes is a lost skill.btw, for any European looking for eco friendly record pressing, check outhttps://deepgrooves.eu/ecofriendlyvinyl/in the Netherlands.

author: MikeK
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timestamp: December 25, 2022, 03:36:41 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 23, 2022, 01:04:01 pmYeah. I still have a corded phone. Audio quality FAR surpasses a cell call.Quote from: BravoV on December 23, 2022, 03:04:54 pmThe thing about film, though, is that you're forced to choose your shots. With unlimited shots available people take photos of everything and they become nearly meaningless. As one comedian said, "I have more pictures of my kids than my father ever LOOKED at me."Quote from: Black Phoenix on December 24, 2022, 03:35:36 amI have a Mini-Disc system. I'm surprised it never did well (other than in Japan). It's quite good. Much smaller and better than cassette and not as fragile as CD.

author: themadhippy
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timestamp: December 25, 2022, 04:04:02 am
content: QuoteIt was fairly popular in uk theatre for sound effects playback for a while, mainly due to auto pause/cue,something not common on cd payers at the time,also the media being reusable made it the perfect revox replacement.

author: nctnico
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timestamp: December 25, 2022, 05:41:09 am
content: Quote from: Ice-Tea on December 23, 2022, 11:35:35 amNo. It is because nobody buys CDs nowadays; people buy albums in digital formats (like MP3 or FLAC). I got rid of my CD player a long time ago.

author: nctnico
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timestamp: December 25, 2022, 05:48:13 am
content: Quote from: bigfoot22 on December 24, 2022, 02:25:42 pmTape does deteriorate when played. I have some cassettes that have audible pitch changes due to the tape becoming stretched from playing them. And tapes can break. No, no more cassette tapes for me. I have all my music on a harddrive where I can play it from. On top of that, I can play en sequential or random order.

author: eti
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timestamp: December 26, 2022, 01:25:10 am
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on December 23, 2022, 11:26:03 amAll those cliched categories 😂🤣How about being a simple human knowing that audio exists on vinyl, ergo one feels like buying it and does. You don’t have to be pigeonholed to be a human, nor to buy a product.All this <cringe> “retro” piffle - some folk simply own a record player or two, like a singer and are used to using records and never moved past them (I know a couple) - it’s a simple logical purchase, the same as buying a bar of soap or cornflakes.Who cares what “made a comeback”. If shops stop selling a brand of chocolate and they suddenly decide to restock again, it’s like … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

author: MikeK
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timestamp: December 26, 2022, 02:37:43 am
content: Quote from: eti on December 26, 2022, 01:25:10 amBecause vinyl isn't what it used to be. It used to be the only way to purchase recorded audio. It's now the bulkiest and easiest to damage medium.

author: themadhippy
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timestamp: December 26, 2022, 03:03:57 am
content: Quoteno it wasnt, pre recorded open reel tape was available as was cassette and 8 track

author: BrianHG
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timestamp: December 26, 2022, 03:15:29 am
content: Quote from: themadhippy on December 26, 2022, 03:03:57 amIn North America, open reel tape players wasn't really a thing. Yes, 8-track was available with it's issues. Vinyl was the most prevalent media and available player next to 8-track in consumer homes until regular cassettes tool over in home and car stereos.

author: helius
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timestamp: December 26, 2022, 03:37:03 am
content: Phonograms aren't especially bulky nor easily damaged. Where does this idea that consumer products must be "X-treme sportz Heavy Duty 100MPH" come from?78 rpm shellac discsareeasily damaged, but vinyl records did away with that.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2022, 03:38:14 am
content: Quote from: helius on December 26, 2022, 03:37:03 amExactamondo. Look at all those bashed up 40 year old record sets that DJs have lugged around for decades.

author: BradC
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timestamp: December 26, 2022, 08:04:09 am
content: My biggest issue with "new" vinyl is the differences in mastering. Mastering for vinyl is vastly different than mastering for a lossless format, and a lot of the more "mainstream" vinyl on the market doesn't seem to have the same attention paid to adjusting to the limitations in the format. I suppose a lot of that could also be attributed to the "loudness wars".Anyway, I love my old vinyl, and my newer lossless formats. They're different because they were mastered and mixed differently. Not just because of the physical reproduction mechanism.

author: AVGresponding
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timestamp: December 26, 2022, 11:47:23 am
content: Quote from: eti on December 26, 2022, 01:25:10 amThe list of "cliches" as you put it was not exhaustive. I'll refrain from naming which one I fit into, or from guessing yours, since it would likely be considered flame-baiting.FYI I have a modest vinyl collection, a considerable compact cassette collection, a half decent linear turntable, and several cassette decks, one with Dolby S, the sound quality of which is quite remarkable, given the inherent limitations of the medium.I also have several good CD players, a couple of very good Mini-Disc players, though I dodged the whole dedicated mp3 player thing, not getting into virtual music until I got my first smartphone.

author: MikeK
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timestamp: December 26, 2022, 03:56:27 pm
content: Quote from: helius on December 26, 2022, 03:37:03 amBig difference between dropping a cassette or Mini-Disc out of its case and dropping an LP out of its cover. Can't scratch a cassette or Mini-Disc. Don't ask a child to lift the playing arm off an LP. LP's warp if you don't store them properly.

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: December 26, 2022, 07:27:33 pm
content: I have no interest in vinyl records myself these days, but I know there's still a largish market for them, and again what's the problem? If that pleases some people? That's exactly what music is all about, pleasing people. And I can understand that the medium can play a role in the whole experience.If you take "pleasure" out of the equation, then you can eradicate music as well, it's not "useful", right? And maybe we can go further and say that all this *has* to go anyway, because it's consuming resources while not being strictly useful. Yeah, we'll save the planet.Just a thought. Not everything we do in life has a strict utility factor. Life would be pretty dull otherwise, and the idea of *enforcing* utility everywhere is a totalitarian idea.

author: AndyBeez
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timestamp: December 27, 2022, 12:02:29 pm
content: On the subject of stylus playback media, older members may have forgotten this existed and younger members may have never ever heard of it, but for a very brief time in the early 1980's, it was possible to buyvideo on vinylwith the Capacitance Electronic Disc format, or CED. No lasers involved, instead a high density micro groove etched into a conductive PVC disc was read by acapacitive stylus. This meant it was possible to compress a movie onto a LP sized disc. Never heard of it? Sadly the RCA brandedSelectaVisionsystem was already obsolete by the time it hit the shelves, superseded by LaserDisc, Betamax and the fledgling Video Home System(VHS). The format ended up burning RCA, Toshiba, Hitachi and Sony a lot of money.Still an interesting format though:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_DiscSome technical Information for hardware hacks:http://www.cedmagic.com/home/technical-information-page.htmlTechmoan from the video vault:

author: labjr
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timestamp: December 27, 2022, 02:13:58 pm
content: There's absolutely no reason to buy vinyl made with digital masters, as almost all of it is now.

author: MikeK
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timestamp: December 27, 2022, 05:42:55 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 26, 2022, 07:27:33 pmI agree. I'm not against vinyl either. Owning a digital version doesn't really feel like owning anything. But owning an LP...You often get great cover art and the lyrics, and it's kinda big...so you feel like you actually own something special. I have no problem with that. It is niche, though. The audio really comes down to the vibrations in the air. That's why more people are going to choose digital...it's more practical. Handmade furniture has more meaning than store bought stuff, but not many people are going to make or hire someone to make their furniture. I'm old enough but don't own any vinyl. My older sisters have plenty of vinyl, and I've asked them...They never take the LP's out to play, because they find digital stuff easier.