ebay scammers. - Page 1
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author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2022, 12:19:48 am
content: just a word of warning for folks,avoid ebay seller taylor _D2010!,he is a total scammer!

author: bob91343
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2022, 12:25:54 am
content: Instead of asking us to condemn someone, you might give us some background information.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2022, 01:08:22 am
content: Looks like this was you:Quotehttps://www.ebay.co.uk/fdbk/feedback_profile/taylor_d2010So you didn't follow up on their offer, why not?

author: nali
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2022, 11:12:30 am
content: His feedback looks OK to me, just the one non-positive review from you. Hardly a "total scammer"?BTW, it's also a common eBay scam for the purchaser to pick fault and refuse a refund in order to blag a discount. Just sayin'

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2022, 02:15:19 pm
content: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294643654575Condition: For parts or not workingYou and the seller both didn't check the model. Seems like blame on both sides, a perfect match. Not only did he offer a refund, someone else has already offered to buy it off you.I think your butt hurt it actually needs repairing. Hint though, if you see several faults and the guy has already worked on it, consider it's not a simple fix.

author: rpiloverbd
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2022, 02:29:17 pm
content: ebay does not ship to my country. But thanks for making us alert.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2022, 03:15:44 pm
content: Rpiloverbd, if the seller ships through ebay, certain countries are blocked. Some countries are unreliable to send goods to, some have sanctions for various reasons.If the seller ships themselves they can choose where is goes. Some sellers won't even bother or risk shipping anywhere but within the US. So Bangladesh isn't high on peoples list, but you can use a freight forwarding company and pay them to forward items to you. It won't circumvent banned goods but makes it easier to buy everything else.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2022, 08:00:11 pm
content: Quote from: nali on January 12, 2022, 11:12:30 amYes, it does sound as if the seller has been bitten by buyers in the past, demanding partial refunds once they have the goods in their clammy little hands, under threat of negative feedback or being called a scammer. Return for full refund seems entirely reasonable.Also just sayin'.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2022, 08:37:55 pm
content: It's their right to refuse a partial refund request anyway. But a seller who says send it back is doing the right thing. If they offered and you refused in ebays eyes it would typically be, tough luck.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 12:03:23 am
content: Before the pandemic, I had several missing packages; I believe it was a local/Finland post issue. (I even lost one registered package at the local office: I got the pick up notice, but when I went there, they couldn't find the package anywhere. The situation has since changed, fortunately.)One of those packages was a few replacement mini tactile switches for a car remote key fob (less than ten euros) that went missing.(I did plan ahead, and buy suitable ones from different sellers, just in case.)When I contacted the seller, they expressed quite honest frustration about it, but also immediately refunded me.My own preference would have been just proof of having sent the package to my address; I do not mind eating the cost because I know the most likely reason is/was local to me, and something completely out of the sellers control.It still bothers me, because I absolutely hate thieves and exploiters, but I think this was unfair to the seller. I didn't lose anything, but because of me, they did.(The seller described how they shipped the package detailed enough I believe them. At that point I started to always pay extra to get tracking, although on eBay, it's a hit-n-miss thing. For the couple of packages that got lost in Finland afterwards –– I don't buy much! –– I just let it slide; it wasn't the sellers fault.)So, I too hate scammers, both buyers and sellers, but OP's case does not seem like one.It's just very hard to see things clearly when you feel you've been scammed –– at least for me! –– so I understand OP too.If I may suggest, when something similar happens, it may be more useful to start a thread discussing whether what happened was a scam or not, especially because someone may pipe up with a way to avoid such scams or retaliate when subjected to scams.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 12:30:36 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on January 13, 2022, 12:03:23 amSome of the original China sellers used to do this, eg dealextreme, it was an automated part of the packaging system.For whatever reason that has mostly gone away. Maybe due to increase in dropshipping and maybe tracking number is just considered better evidence.It would be possible to print the postage, cancel the package, and never ship it. But I agree, its a nice form of evidence to see that would lead me to just trust the seller and not make any lost item claim.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:07:45 am
content: FYI, the seller has contacted me and said that ebay awarded in their favour. They created an account here to do so, so maybe they will post.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:08:45 am
content: For transparency, moderators were flagged to this thread by a user purporting to be "taylor _D2010" from ebay. We obviously have no way of verifying whether this is true or not, but either way I personally won't be taking any action in relation to this thread.As general advice to both buyers and sellers:EEVblog is not ebay, therefore it's not our job to moderate what goes on in relation to a transaction. As with all purchases, buyers need to do their own homework and own their mistakes (it's not up to a seller to rectify a change-of-mind or failing on the part of the buyer). This includes not only verifying what a seller has written but also checking photos carefully. Sellers (even major retail stores) make mistakes and in countries which have legislated consumer protections, you may be entitled to a refund but that rarely (if at all) applies to auctions.Sellers should ensure that any product is described accurately and honestly. Photos should be high resolution and extensive to allow sellers to make their own decisions. In this instance, the seller may choose to change his username on ebay, while retaining all feedback and his "score" on the platform.EDIT: Dave beat me to it ;-)

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:10:57 am
content: Hello all,I am Taylor_d2010 on ebay, M3VUV has tried slandering me on other forums but i dont think he realises that we both follow the same forums etc.I sold him a Tek 2430 Scope on ebay. I mistakenly wrote 2430A, i fully accepted that mistake, however all photos clearly showed it was a 2430 Model. The moment the user contacted me about it, i constantly apologized for the mistake and was trying my best to resolve it in a fair way. I genuinely got muddled, downsizing my collection of 18 Oscilloscopes (bit much i know! a case of TEA for sure) I have alot of them to work through.What confused the matter was through the messages he was claiming "it is what it is, these things happen" to "only reason i bid on it was because it was a 2430A" model. Blowing hot and cold. Sometimes saying he would keep it, others saying no he wanted a partial refund.I said time and again if its not fit for purpose, i.e. if you want a 2430A for an exact reason, and the 2430 can not do it, then its not fit for purpose and i would have happily accepted a return with afull refund(yes that includes the to/from shipping!). If you buy a laptop for using it on the internet, and the laptop doesnt have that functionality.. well its not fit for purpose. Return it simple.However, that was until i found this Tek Scopes Groups and his eeVBlog posts where he admitted to fitting an 18650 cell for the backup battery, against all recommended advice on here and other places.I mean i dont think its unreasonable to reject a return, when the guy says its the wrong model and THEN decides to open it and mess around. If its not correct, you leave it alone, you raise a return and be done with it.Funnily enough, he accuses me of scamming, however in the end I did offer a Partial Refund (advert did state no returns) and did pay his Paypal as Friends & family which i cannot claim back, to which he claimed he had not received the money. Then after that started threatening to not cancel the return request and involve police as im a "scammer". Well Paypal receipt proves otherwise that the money is in his account exactly as i said it was.He claimed that he had a buyer interested for £70 but not the £25 postage, i have since found said person who had said 70+25 postage, so M3VUV had lied to me in that instance.Also, using the eBay help, I spoke to a UK rep for ebay the other night over the phone we went through the entire message trail on ebay. She was less than impressed with M3VUV (aka Quadzillatech) attitude and unreasonableness. Also the fact that he raised a return claim, and at the same time sell the same item "Buy it now" on ebay! This is a big no no and is against their T&C'sWhat M3VU seems to no understand is I am a hobbyist, not a business, i work 12hr Night shifts so i dont really want to be dealing with something like this at all. Having only recently started selling on ebay, its certainly reinforced some of my doubts about trusting people on the platform.It was not an ideal transaction, however anybody who is interested, i am more than welcome to share my messages with M3VUV as i dont have anything to hide.Edited by Moderator: Removed personal information (name).

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:13:35 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on January 13, 2022, 05:08:45 amI replied emailed the seller and said he should post here, as we can't make a decision on who's in the right here.Presumably the seller wants the thread deleted, that's not something we would ordinarily do.FYI, we do get this sort of request occasioanlly, moderators cannot make a judgement on what is "defamatory". The best response is to post your position publicly.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:16:38 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 13, 2022, 05:13:35 amAbsolutely.People are entitled to post publicly what they think or believe, subject to a particular platform's own rules. Readers don't have to agree or even like the content, but this is Australia where we have freedom of speech. The seller has every right to defend his position and ultimately, readers can make up their own mind.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:19:44 am
content: Im not bothered if the thread is deleted or not, i just feel that its unfair for him to go across multiple forums accusing me of this with no proof.If he can genuinely prove that i am a scammer then absolutely, but i am not.I find it funny he is saying this although he has the 2430 scope, plus a £25 partial refund and has it on ebay for £130, but making out I am the bad guy.

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:23:52 am
content: Here is my 2c (note I am replying as a community member, and this is my personal opinion, not a ruling or moderator decision).Quote from: m3vuv on January 06, 2022, 05:12:58 amYou in your own words state that YOU modified the model AFTER you noted that it was not what you ordered. If it was not what you ordered and you didn't want this item, why did you proceed to modify it?This is akin to buying a car, it's not what you wanted exactly so you cut it in two and then tape it back up and then try to return it.Sir, in my personal and honest opinion in this matter what you attempted to do here was defraud TaylorD93.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:32:50 am
content: Not just that, he replaced the 3.6V Li-SOCl2 backup battery with an 18650 Lithium cell + battery holder. Complete the wrong type of battery tech and would easily discharge in a few months. He admitted the wire broke loose from this "bodge" which would definitely wiped the calibration data whilst powered off. All this was done before requesting a return...I have also noted in his 2430A thread he has again accused me of the same thing of being a scammer.

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:40:03 am
content: Yup, completely understand the concern here, I actually have a 2465A that had a low cal battery and had to carefully replace it too. I would consider a measurement device with it's CAL data wiped by the user a damaged/modified item.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:46:43 am
content: Welcome to the forum.It's a damn shame you weren't a member beforehand asrule #2would have covered you for such an event.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:48:04 am
content: Hi Muttley, Long term lurker, but did sign up in March 2021.Just hadnt postedanything at allmuch

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:55:09 am
content: I both buy and sell on eBay and I'll admit to being very hard on novice sellers that either don't describe things properly (the lights turning on doesn't mean fully tested and working) or even more frustrating, packaging things poorly and damaging previously pristine test equipment. However, I've always tried to work it out fairly and when some sellers insist on return/refund or nothing, they get it returned without any games. I even helped one guy who seemed a bit desperate (it was a $1K+ shipment) to get a pretty much unjustified USPS damage claim approved (in reality the packaging was crap, but the USPS screwed up too).When selling, I'm aware that these risks are part of the game, but I try really hard not to make mistakes or give a potentially troublesome buyer any reason to pull a stunt like this. As a seller, not only do you have to worry about drastic consequences for any minor error, but you also may offer the full refund and end up paying shipping both ways and ending up with a box of who knows what and no money. I'd like to see a poll as to which of these eBayers you'd buy a scope from!

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:59:19 am
content: Most of us, I think, realised the facts after about the 3rd or 4th reply.Still, I'm glad you came forward, TaylorD93

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 06:02:15 am
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on January 13, 2022, 05:55:09 amIn the UK, most couriers flat will not insure a CRT anymore due to the risk of damage, even more reason to package them as well as i can. I do prefer collection but in my recent downsizing ive only had one local buyer all the rest have been 2hrs+ drive away.I took it to the post office the 29th December shipped it Parcelforce 48hr Tracked to him and it had actually arrived the next day! Quite pleased with that speed, but that was an issue its own right.Whilst walking back to the car to get another big parcel to ship, i sent OP the tracking info (the ink was still warm on the paper receipt) and he claimed it was the wrong number! I mean come on, give Parcelforce 30s to atleast update their system!

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 06:03:12 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on January 13, 2022, 05:59:19 amThank you Ed. Im not here for any ego trip, just want to clarify the BS!

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 06:09:33 am
content: This is why we ordinarily don't delete posts. There are always two sides to a story and lessons that everyone can learn.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 06:12:52 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on January 13, 2022, 06:09:33 amUnderstood

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 06:21:39 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on January 13, 2022, 06:09:33 amYes, this is certainly very interesting to hear the details of.I have hundreds of feedback as a test gear/misc seller (before EEVblog) and I would certainly consider a modified unit as going way beyond any return right.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 08:03:22 am
content: Quote from: TaylorD93 on January 13, 2022, 05:10:57 amWhy did you do so? It's big no-no. Ebay does not see this transaction, nor you get ebay fees back from amount refunded. Not to say you can easily make a partial refund on ebay.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 08:43:21 am
content: This came up on the TekScopes forum as well - TaylorD93 posted the same explanation there.The 'scope has been relisted on eBay - at nearly twice the price it was originally sold -https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133989860762It's very difficult to say for sure but on the face of what has been presented online TaylorD93 looks to be the good guy here (barring one small error in the listing with the "A" vs non-A description).

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 08:50:47 am
content: Going on grammar, I'm siding with the seller.But seriously it sounds exactly like I called it before, m3vuv sounded butt hurt he didn't get his way. Mistakes were made, as long as a return was offered that's all you needed to do.Ebay can go through past interactions and conversation between buyers and sellers so if this case was decided for the seller m3vuv must have messed up. Normally a "not as described" is very easy escalation to win as a buyer.Quote from: grumpydoc on January 13, 2022, 08:43:21 amM3vuv is starting to look like the scammer. Why isn't it sold to the guy who offered to pay the cost and shipping?

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 09:13:09 am
content: the ebay award got overturned in my favor,would of been ok to send it back but didnt see why i had to swallow the £25 postage,that has been rufunded now and i have a buyer for it for the same £70 i gave for it so all is good!

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 09:32:45 am
content: Just to clarifie things,this is what fleabay sent me:Hello Paul,Good news, you won the case!My name is Cedrick from eBay and I've received your case regarding the item number 294643654575 recently purchased. I understand how it feels to receive an item that is not as described. I am more than glad to help.After thorough review on the matter, I found out that my eBay colleague has placed the case on hold to give your seller time to facilitate the refund of the item since your claim was determined to be valid. After the given timeframe, I can see that your seller failed to either send you funds. With this, I'm happy to inform you that I have closed the case on your favour as part of your eBay Money Back Guarantee protection.We are going to process your refund through your Card. You will receive a separate email to the registered email address on eBay on the details of your refund. Rest assured, you will get the email right after you get this message within 24 to 48 hours.With your good buying record, our sellers will surely love to do business with you. I know you are a responsible buyer and I hope that despite the inconvenience you experienced for this transaction, you continue to buy here on eBay.Congratulations for winning the case! I trust that I have removed your worries about this transaction. I am hoping for you and your family’s safety in these unprecedented times and all the best in your eBay transactions.Sincerely,CedrickeBay Customer Service

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 10:49:06 am
content: Congratulations you scummy PoS.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 10:59:01 am
content: Wow.Holy Moly.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 11:11:39 am
content: This is deceptive on so many levels.m3vuv if this is your listing then where is the part about you losing the calibration?https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133989860762QuoteDid you tell ebay you modified it?Did you tell ebay you lost the calibration?Did you tell ebay you relisted it for more money?Did you tell ebay you had organized another buyer?Did you tell ebay you had gone around and posted he was a scammer for an extra A in the description?Did you tell ebay he sent a partial refund via friends and family?

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 11:27:25 am
content: Anyone know why TaylorD93 got banned?

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 11:29:29 am
content: Maybe one of the Mods (mentioning no names) didn't read the thread properly and banned the wrong member!

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 11:43:31 am
content: He technically didn't dox him, it's publicly posted on the Tekscopes group on groups.io I found it instantly. If you want to cross post on the internet and include or discuss ebay sales anyone can go look it up. Also m3vuv just doxxed himself. He's also used that name on the groups.io as well.Quote from: m3vuv on January 13, 2022, 09:32:45 amIf I was TaylorD93 I'd be pretty pissed. I think m3vuv needs to explain which exact part of the "total scamming" actually took place. M3vuv called him an "a hole" there as well as a scammer here.

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 12:11:11 pm
content: Not sure why he was banned, it might have been a mistake or there is more to it behind the scenes, I am looking into it.As for m3vuv, you are imo scumQuotehttps://groups.io/g/TekScopes/message/189267And what about "if you broke it"? You clearly did, you clearly were given the option of a refund, you clearly defrauded TaylorD93 and you were even banned from TekScopes on groups.io for your deplorable behaviour. You sir should be ashamed of yourself and as far as I am concerned you are the scammer here, now trying to sell the scopeyou stolefrom TaylorD93 to some other unsuspecting person, at a profit, after breaking it.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 12:42:28 pm
content: Quote from: Shock on January 13, 2022, 11:11:39 amAnd thus not only he stole the scope, he also defrauded an unexperienced seller for some additional money.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 12:45:59 pm
content: he brought the issue up in an unrelated thread. if he is going to spam the forum like this he can stay out. I dont know who is right or wrong.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 12:59:06 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on January 13, 2022, 12:42:28 pmYeah I'm aware of that but I didn't want to kick him guts while he is already down. But you learn never to do a transaction outside of ebay as people will double dip. The irony is in the UK if return postage is covered by the seller the buyer doesn't lose out on anything doing a return.This probably can be overturned again in the sellers favor if he has lost money. It probably hinges on the fact if the buyer breaks the terms of service relisting or trying to resell a damaged/modified item while they are claiming they are returning it to the seller (on the premise it was not as described and they have lost out), not letting ebay know they have also received a partial refund also might be another deal breaker.I think ebay might have solely decided based on the buyer pressing them pretending he was the innocent party in a unhelpful seller case. Sometimes ebay coughs up the money themselves but yeah if the sellers out the cost of the item, shipping and a partial refund now, that is not right.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 01:17:22 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 13, 2022, 12:45:59 pmAccount unbanned.

author: jogri
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 01:22:13 pm
content: Quote from: Shock on January 13, 2022, 11:11:39 amDon't forget that the original seller mentioned that the CRT was a bit out of focus and provided crisp pictures to show that... The pictures on the new offer that is btw twice as expensive as the original price (AND he got the money back two times) are so blurry that you can't see it and he never mentions it in the description:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tektronix-2430A-Oscilloscope-/294643654575?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l44720.c10&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=trueWell, at least i now know the backstory of that thread where he was asking what a good price for a Tek 2430 would be...But i wouldn't count on ebay overturning their decision again, as soon as the seller sends a refund it's a closed case for them. I had the misfortune of experiencing that myself, buyer destroyed the equipment, claimed two weeks later that it had been damaged in transit and i was stupid enough to offer him a refund->at least he returned the wrecked item after a while, but according to ebay i couldn't dispute the refund since i had returned the money before i had received the item (and then discovered that he had fried it). So i ended up losing over 40 bucks for shipping and had to fix the equipment.

author: DaveVoorhis
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 01:56:38 pm
content: Quote from: Shock on January 13, 2022, 08:50:47 amI'm the guy who offered to pay the cost and shipping. That was last Saturday, if I recall correctly.The current owner indicated he was unable to ship, so I indicated that I was unwilling to pay for shipping unless it was shipped. We agreed I would pick it up in person this coming Saturday and pay the original cost of the item (£70) but not the shipping cost (£25).

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 02:45:38 pm
content: Wowza, so alot happened whilst I've been sleeping today.So luckily now I am unbanned. Not quite sure why I was but it doesn't matter now.Re the friends and family thing.So it did go quiet from M3vuv for a few days, until he left me feedback on ebay. Of course by this point he had tampered with the scope etc.So he whinged and moaned, then said ok, mucked about with the scope then left me feedback where I pointed out he had not requested a return.He then requested a return under the eBay 30 day policy etc.This is where I made the biggest mistake of all. As a seller you're presented 4 options, I clicked the wrong one went to send a message to the buyer but accidently clicked next on the accept full return/refund.I honestly did not want it back, so as a gesture of good will to m3vuv I offered him a partial refund. I intact offered him £30 but he just said nope keep it £25.So I sent it to him, trusting he would cancel the return.He didn't.His message he has posted from ebay must have been before I had spoken to them the other night because I have no open cases/refunds in my ebay, and have the messages confirming that the refund is cancelled.Sorry for grammar etc have literally just woken up (2:45pm UK) so I need get sorted for work tonightQuote from: wraper on January 13, 2022, 08:03:22 am

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 02:54:42 pm
content: Hi Simon, m3vuv had accused me of being a scammer in his other thread, so instead of reposting all of this in there, I tried to openly state my case without blowing up two threads. So posted the link to this thread.Sorry if this broke forum rules.Quote from: Simon on January 13, 2022, 12:45:59 pm

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 02:55:18 pm
content: Quote from: TaylorD93 on January 13, 2022, 02:45:38 pmThen I really wonder why ebay gave him the money back since he never shipped it back. Normally payment is refunded only when goods are sent to the seller and he/she confirms they were received back, or ebay steps in if buyer has a proof of shipment. You should contact ebay support and ask them to overturn decision since goods were never sent back. Ebay refunds without shipping back only if the seller did not click to accept the return.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 03:05:06 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 13, 2022, 09:32:45 amSo, since you are clarifying, what do you have at this point? If I understand correctly you have:1) The 2430 scope2) A full refund, including shipping. IOW, you now have paid no money for the scope3) £25 paid to you via F&F Paypal.Is that all correct?

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 03:07:39 pm
content: I dont believe he has a full refund.Nothing is showing in my ebay notfications, bank accounts or paypal regarding thism3vuv has not stated the time/date on the message he has from "cedrick" at ebay.So in fairness, right now, i cannot see any mention of a full refund to him so i dont think its fair for anyone to accuse him of that until anything changes the aboveI had this on the 11th Jan 2022 at 22:13 (UK)This case is now closedHello Taylor,We reviewed this request and have closed it without any refund to the buyer.The case will not affect your seller performance.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 03:58:30 pm
content: eBay could use a simple rating system for buyers...1) Unknown2) Well behaved3) Unreasonable idiot4) Outright Scammer

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:30:39 pm
content: Quote from: DaveVoorhis on January 13, 2022, 01:56:38 pmForewarned is forearmed. At least this thread gives you the benefit of knowing the scope's history and knowing what m3vuv did to it, leading to its present condition and calibration state.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 05:57:09 pm
content: Quote from: TaylorD93 on January 13, 2022, 02:45:38 pmThere is a third possibility:eBay sometimes lets both parties win!I have suspected them of doing that in the past... but never seen such a clear example of it as this!If you think about it, it can make sense for eBay to do that: now they have two satisfied customers, and they'll recover the money soon enough!(I know for a fact that banks can do the same thing with a credit card dispute! We are all being treated like children, lol)

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 06:05:24 pm
content: quite possibly,It does say the funds are still on hold at ebay, but it also shows on another page they are released to me. So will wait and see.Im not bothered about the money to be fair thought. Its more a principle of what is right/wrong. As ive said all along, i did make mistakes with this sale, ive apologised for them and tried to resolve it in a fair way with the buyer being quite unreasonable all along.Hence why im here trying to defend myself from his allegation.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 06:11:39 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on January 13, 2022, 05:57:09 pmyes I had this. sold an old phone, buyer expected an iphone clone and moaned like hell over £15, but I did no wrong, so ebay refunded them to shut them up. I then realized why they are so expensive and have no qualms in passing all fees onto customers.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 06:16:00 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on January 13, 2022, 05:57:09 pmExperienced it once as a seller. Buyer was full of BS, claimed item did not arrive as tracking showed it was delivered to a wrong postcode. In shipping address he provided a postcode of the main hub of his city, not a local post office. Of course tracking showed delivery in the correct post office. I uploaded a google maps screenshot where the post office in question was like 50 meters away from his address.EbayPaypal refunded him from its own pocket.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 08:54:55 pm
content: Looked through email history. Actually that case was through paypal, not ebay.Quote

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2022, 10:21:32 pm
content: m3vuv: return the £25 you scammed, or be shamed for the rest of your time on this forum.Either way I recommend everyone add OP to your ignore list:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=lists;sa=ignoreQuote from: SilverSolder on January 13, 2022, 03:58:30 pmYou know they used to have buyer reviews right, and got rid of them.. because they don't care about sellers as long as they can continue to attract buyers to the site.Oddly enough aliexpress has buyer reviews, took me a while to notice those, I'm not sure how visible they are to sellers though.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 01:11:56 am
content: Quote from: wraper on January 13, 2022, 02:55:18 pmThat's not true, at least in the US. I've filed a complaint as a buyer with Ebay and Ebay refunded the entire purchase price plus shipping to me and also send me a pre-paid shipping label to return the item to the seller. All before I had even re-boxed the item to return it.

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 01:26:20 am
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on January 13, 2022, 05:57:09 pmI can also say this with certainty, I bought a Roland MT-32 at a very good price from an overseas seller which got lost in postage, his postal service didn't know where it went even after getting in touch with them, etc. So I opened a case for a refund which eBay after verifying the postal service had lost the parcel gave me. This was over a period of four months. About a week after eBay refunded the purchase the item arrived, so I got in contact with the seller to find out if I could pay them directly for the item and they informed me that eBay kept sale on their side also. I informed eBay about the situation and they just told me to keep it as the case had been closed and it was too hard to fix it in their system now.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 01:32:47 am
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on January 14, 2022, 01:11:56 amMaybe it depends on the item category?I recently (last week!) had to return a non-functioning cell phone. Refund was not issued until the return shipment was flagged as "Delivered".

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 01:42:54 am
content: Quote from: gnif on January 14, 2022, 01:26:20 amWritten off as the cost of doing business. The matter had been dealt with, so time to move on.Very likely too hard to reverse and would probably cost more than it was worth. Besides, this way, both buyer and seller are happy.Ebay needs to encourage sellers - true - but they need to encourage buyers even more. Buyers have the funds that both the sellers and eBay seek, plus they are very mobile when it comes to the direction in which they part with those funds.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 02:52:54 am
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on January 14, 2022, 01:32:47 amBecause of the option i had clicked on, ebay limited me to only issuing a full refund and sending him a pre-paid postage label with the view that if it comes back and its not correct then i have to claim it back from ebay as the seller.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 03:51:59 am
content: In future perhaps you should consider listing your equipment here on the forum and giving other members the opportunity before putting it on Ebay. There are no fees, no dramas and plenty of peope with common sense to moderate the transaction. Furthermore, you won't be subject to the illogical and ill-informed judgement of some Ebay clown called Cedrick.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 04:30:46 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on January 14, 2022, 03:51:59 amMay well do that indeed!I have a Tek TDS644A (yes this one is an A variant) which i was battling against to replace the leaky Electrolytics, when it froze on me, screen was on but all controls died. Since then it wont boot at all, hanging on illuminating the front panel. So i lost a bit of motivation with that project so might consider passing it on on here instead of eBay.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 08:27:15 am
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on January 14, 2022, 01:11:56 amIt was in context of"but accidently clicked next on the accept full return/refund". If you accepted a return, buyer must ship it back. What you have seen is because seller selected an option calledSend a refund automatically.https://www.ebay.com/rtn/Return/AdvancedRule

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 09:27:32 am
content: Quote from: wraper on January 14, 2022, 08:27:15 amNo the funds were not sent automatically.So my Payment hold is released. My dashboard is no longer showing a -ve balance or any funds on hold. Bank account shows no funds being removed either.So if OP has had any refund (other than the £25 i sent Friends and family) then it has come from eBay themselves, not from me.Edited because I got the message formating all wrong mixed up in a quote

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 10:13:56 am
content: how about you take this back and send me the non working A version instead and i refund any refunds i get?

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 10:25:16 am
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 10:13:56 amIs anyone else gobsmacked by this response?I mention I have a TDS644A which is a completely different model to the 2430 I sold.Why on earth would I send that as a replacement?

author: jogri
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 10:29:52 am
content: A Tek 644 for 70 bucks? Are you serious? Even broken units sell for 200+.Especially in the context of this whole thing, that "request" is extremely impudent.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 10:36:22 am
content: Quote from: jogri on January 14, 2022, 10:29:52 amAlso had a PM from him on ebay about it, promptly told to Foxtrot Oscar!He still doesn't get the fact that what he's done has likely lost the cal data and is a complete fuck up of a repair.The hours and hours of design time into that 2430 for it to result in a bodged 18650 cell. Does he really think that is an appropriate repair? That I'd still be willing to take it back? Or even worse, Exchange a better albeit broken model?But hey, he has a buyer lined up, so he clearly has no loyalties to that buyer.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:05:02 am
content: just for clarity the msg from cedric was sent on the 12th jan,also i thought the guy had the 2430A not a tek tds model,missread the post.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:09:10 am
content: i have now fitted a lithium thionyl chloride 3.6v cell,fitted the 18650 while waiting for the correct one to arrive,it was just to see if that fixed the self test errors,it did,also waiting on conformation of what time the other guy comes to collect it,it will stay on ebay until then.

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:09:39 am
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 11:05:02 amWoah, you made a mistake reading a post... so you do know what it's like to make mistakes too.Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 11:09:10 amIt doesn't matter, you have lost the calibration data, the unit is practically useless/worthless.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:12:01 am
content: Shit like this is exactly why I'm reluctant to sell anything on ebay, and now have a serious TEA buffer overflow...

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:22:49 am
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 11:05:02 amEither way, from my end;- Ebay has closed the case- The £95 (£70 + £25 original shipping) funds are no longer on hold and are no longer a negative balance (eBay had paid me for the sale back in december anyway)- You have the Scope and £25 Paypal payment, and by the sounds of it eBay may be trumping up a full refund to you out of their pocket, butcertainly not out of mine. But with the sale youre looking to do quite well out of this all, £95 refund + £25 Paypal + Upto £130 if you sell it on ebay. Sopotentiallyupto £250 in your pocket to boot.So all of that, still no apology, no admitting that you jumped to conclusions and were unreasonable. Nothing.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:25:41 am
content: Quote from: AVGresponding on January 14, 2022, 11:12:01 amWell unfortuantely having had 18 Oscilloscopes with only 3 in working condition, where only 1 of which has an actual Calibration... it does get a bit crowded

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:31:52 am
content: Quote from: TaylorD93 on January 14, 2022, 11:25:41 amAnd here I am with just two... one (the tek) on loan to my father in law. You people make me sickHonestly though, I just dabble, having more then 1 is not something I think i'd ever need, lol.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:32:07 am
content: Quote from: TaylorD93 on January 14, 2022, 11:22:49 amm3vuv - you really ought to send back the £25, at least that way TaylorD93 is not out of pocket.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:37:04 am
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 12, 2022, 12:19:48 amIf you are going to attack another ebay member (the seller in this case), PUBLICLY on multiple forums. Then I'm going to use my (in my opinion), vast (ebay) experience/knowledge to analyse the situation, using some of the information, released in this thread.My initial findings are that you would seem to be giving other ebay members, negative or neutral feedback, on a suspiciously too frequent manner.The following image/extract, is from the natural, unfiltered (except filter=feedback given when buying on ebay) ordering of what ebay reports as m3vuv feedback they have given to others (sellers). I.e. I haven't removed any entries, between the ebay sellers.N.B. There are many other occasions, where they left negative or neutral feedback, at a quick glance, around 10% (or more) of their transactions, seem to result in the seller getting (usually) negative, but sometimes neutral feedback. Also, I haven't processed all the data available, but in at least one case, all the other hundreds of transactions that the seller made, did not get any negative or neutral feedback.I haven't provided links, and I've cut out part of the sellers IDs, for privacy reasons.What it appears to show is that m3vuv (as an ebay user, keeping ID private), gave 5 different sellers, all negative (one neutral) feedback. That seems rather odd, and way, way too frequent.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:40:43 am
content: Quote from: gnif on January 14, 2022, 11:31:52 amUntil 18 months ago I only had one scope, but I bought a HAMEG one to fix, then two then three and it grew from there.So I mostly have HAMEG scopes, however where I work ive become known as the "Scope Guy". Little do they know about my TEAS! But it has paid off, the Tek TDS644A i mentioned earlier was given to me by a contractor and a fellow engineer gave me a Phillips PM3217 50MHz CRO. Both for the return of a pack of beers as i couldnt accept them for free. But I did score a Tek 2225 which was being scrapped off by my employer, nothing wrong with it Cal'd in 2019 and was in storage through Covid but was still PAT tested each year, just wasnt used anymore!When people find out youre into Test Equipment, ive found equipment tends to just fall onto my lap, previous jobs i was given a BrandenBurg 30kV Volt Meter (Moving Coil) and an old Farnell 30V 2A PSU. Quite handy to have around not that ive ever used the kV Volt meter... looks pretty on the shelf thought!

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 11:43:39 am
content: Quote from: TaylorD93 on January 14, 2022, 11:25:41 amIt's examples such as this that makes me more inclined to give stuff away to members here. You will usually find someone who will be thankful.

author: sean0118
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 12:14:45 pm
content: Quote from: TaylorD93 on January 14, 2022, 11:25:41 amOnly 18 scopes? What luxury! I have 7 in my bedroom alone.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 12:15:09 pm
content: Quote from: TaylorD93 on January 14, 2022, 11:25:41 amMy new year resolution was to "do something" about the growing pile that I'm not going to have chance to fix so I have just given away a 465, 475 and 485, a 468 and a 2465, in various states of "not working".Don't worry - I still have 2 465's that "mostly work" for a tidy up and eventual sale, a 2445 and 2445B which ought to be rescue-able, a Lecroy 9354 with a dead-ish PSU and a whole pile of Philips combiscopes left to work on.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 12:20:13 pm
content: Quote from: sean0118 on January 14, 2022, 12:14:45 pmLuxury of Single life... my TE is in my relatively comfortable living room! Got to keep it nice, warm and dry throughout the year haha.Got rid of the TV to make space for Racking and my work table

author: sean0118
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 12:36:05 pm
content: Quote from: TaylorD93 on January 14, 2022, 12:20:13 pmI was just joking, I "only" have 8 scopes total, I'm looking to cut down as well soon. I just want to finish fixing them first.The living room setup sounds nice, I'm hoping to move soon to a place where I can setup a home lab too.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 01:10:07 pm
content: just to clear this up,when i brought/bid on this i bid as i thought it was the A version that has the measure function,when it was delivered as the non A as advertised i was pissed off,if it was the a version as listed it would of been fine,as it was knowingly the non a version,when the seller was doing the listing,if it wasnt the A why phsicaly type a when listing it,that is different fair enough but to list it as an a requires another key input,other way around had he forgotten to type A then thats understandable,but as it clearly wasnt looks like he tried to list it as a more desirable model that it wasnt,i asked him to refund my postage,as a way to make things good,he flatly refused!,thats how this ball got rolling and went downhill from there!,the guy who wants to buy it for £70 is comming tomorow to pick it up,i have ended the ebay listing on it now,as regards feedback i try to be %100 honest,if its good i say so,same if bad!,i am john bull in that respect and dont mince my words.luckily i should not be out of pocket tomorow,at the end of the day if the scope wasnt falsley listed,then then we wouldnt of been in this situation,the way i see it i am not the bogey man here!.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 01:31:26 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 01:10:07 pmSo you think its acceptable and "ok" to mess about with something you have bought, and then raise a return request? expecting the buyer to just take it back?You think its ok to threaten to get the Police involved and accuse me of being a scammer, when you relisted the very item same on ebay for almost twice the price? Clearly you value it that much otherwise you wouldnt list it at that price.You say "should not be out of pocket" tomorrow, judging by your other messages youve got your Full refund from ebay if your message from "Cedrick" is to be believed, youve got the scope and the £25 F&F and youre selling it on. How in anyway are you out of pocket?If you had simply left it alone when I realised and accepted my mistake on the 30th December, i would have given you a full refund including a prepaid returns label. meaning you wouldnt have been "out of pocket" if you had just left it alone and raised a return. But you couldnt resist and illogically decided to dive in and open the scope.Despite repeating myself to you time and time again, and done everything i said i would, i can see you just either too ignorant to listen or understand mistakes happen. I have apologised for the mistakes i made and offered you a fair resolution. It would appear a number of fellow our forum members do think you are in the wrong, but you are still bleating on as if i am a scammer.I think ive done enough to prove my innocence in this so will leave it be. I hope for your wellbeing you learn to take a chill pill and accept we're all human and make mistakes.

author: jogri
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 01:42:15 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 01:10:07 pmOkay, then tell me: What exactly entitles you to receive a discount on something that you do not want? He offered you a full refund (since it wasn't what you were looking for), but you had the balls to demand a refund AND wanted to keep the scope (which was extremely cheap to begin with). It's partly your fault that you didn't check the pictures in the listing and it wasn't a buy-it-now item so you had multiple days to look at the pictures BEFORE you placed your bid, it wasn't even like you saw a good offer and immediately bought it.Btw, interesting choice of words from you: "itryto be 100% honest". Well, then keep trying

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 02:45:39 pm
content: Again, I refer you to this:Quotehttps://groups.io/g/TekScopes/message/189267You're thinking here is flat out wrong, you can't say "I will keep it IF I can fix it" if "fixing it" involves modifying it. You modified it, you opened it, you made changes to it, and in the process damaged it. As the saying goes, "You broke it, you bought it".You installed the wrong chemistry battery even after on groups.io you were told what the chemistry was. Even if you had not lost the calibration data, the fact that you tried to replace the battery with a Li-Ion brings into question the quality of any "repair" you performed on this item as even a novice would know better then to ignore the advice of professionals.A cursory search of your username here turns you up, and to be honest until I saw your public profile on qrz.com I thought you were a know it all teenager based on your behaviour here and the way you write. You were dishonest with eBay, you were dishonest with TaylorD93, you were dishonest with this community, and in your shortsighted rage started this thread where everyone has pointed out how unscrupulous your behaviour has been. Unless the definition of "honest" has changed to be "entitled lying scumbag", how in this universe do you believe that what you did here was even a smidgen of honest?

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 02:56:31 pm
content: Well i sent taylor an sorry via pm and said i will change the ebay feedback,waiting to hear on a reply,as regards to my battery swap,in my mind battery volts is volts no matter what chemistry it is!,as it was only done to confirm the reason for the self test fails+ it was what i had to hand at the time(this was done while waiting for the correct chemistry battery to arrive that i ordered as it was in transit),so can you please explain mr mod why that was a wrong descision,as wanted to check the faults as originaly listed with were infact true and honest,unlike the original ebay listing!,explain me that please.

author: nali
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 02:57:01 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 01:10:07 pmFFS man, can you make your next purchase a keyboard with a full stop (period) and a SHIFT key?Or was that broken when you received it..?

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 03:00:48 pm
content: NO my keyboard is OK ,maybe your readING jtyrkjbnlwmojhmgnk5yjjmdp;5oh gibeuhij skills??

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 03:02:28 pm
content: It's usually not even difficult - recently I bought a motherboard on eBay, there were some irregularities with the sale but it was supposedly posted via Hermes.It didn't turn up and the tracking was very odd, to be frank I smelled a rat and put in an early claim which eBay found in my favour and refunded. Fair enough.Weeks later it popped out of the Hermes time warp and was delivered.At that point I clearly could have kept it but doing so would definitely have been wrong so I contacted the seller and offered to return it to him - admittedly at his expense (about £5 so not the end of the world) which he accepted. I posted it back literally in the same packaging with a new label so obviously untouched by me.As gnif says, you had plenty of time to look at the photos, plenty of time to message the seller and say "you've listed this as a 2430A but the photos show a 2430" and expecting restitution after you have clearly "accepted" the goods by opening up the case and fiddling is unreasonable.

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 03:08:17 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 02:56:31 pmIn your mind you're wrong. Even if this were true, a charged Li-Ion is 4.2V, the original battery is 3.5V... that's 0.7V higher than the designed voltage. If it were a "test" why were you so willing to risk blowing it up by increasing the voltage?Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 02:56:31 pmYour moral compass need adjusting, you accepted the item by opening it after you were offered a full refund when the seller admitted his mistake in writing. He did not question the validity of your claim, he did not argue with you, he wanted to make things right. You rejected his offer, and then proceeded to break it even more, and then had the gall to come on this forum and try to destroy his reputation.Your "wanting to check the faults as originally listed" didn't matter one bit, he had ALREADY admitted to his mistake in the listing.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 03:17:37 pm
content: the original batter chemistry is 3.6v,the 18650 i tested with was at 4v,i saw that as beeing fine,it wasnt fully charged FFS!

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 03:26:01 pm
content: This link here is a service manual, it contains all the details of how to service and repair the 2430 tek scope you have. I found it by doing a google for "tek 2430 service manual" and followed the very first linkhttps://www.tek.com/en/manual/2430-service-manualInside it, it details the battery voltage and chemistry used, see attached.Here is a datasheet for the battery specifed:https://www.eaglepicher.com/sites/default/files/LTC-7P.pdfInside it, it details the battery voltage, see attached.Even if your battery was 4V, it's still > 3.5

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 03:59:13 pm
content: I guess the real point here is that an eBay transaction with successful delivery of flawed goods can only have three outcomes:(1) buyer accepts the flawed goods, or(2) buyer rejects flawed goods and returns it (untouched, obviously), or(3) buyer accepts the goods with compensation for flaws discovered.Buyer has to make a choice, and stick with the decision!

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 04:30:57 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 01:10:07 pmI'm sorry, but that quote seems to be a wall of text, which I find, very, very difficult to read. But anyway, ..Extract from above quote follows, bold and size change are done by me.Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 01:10:07 pm100% honest, surely means, that you DON'T omit vital details, such as offers of a refund (regardless of if that does or doesn't include return postage charges), plenty of time for the seller(s) to respond and handle the situation. As well as other things, reasonable ebay buyers would/should do.I think I've been following all of this thread. I've yet to see any evidence that the original seller, is a scammer, nor any justification in creating threads in multiple forums, calling out the name of the original seller, and (apparently unjustified) claims they are a scammer.

author: TaylorD93
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 04:38:54 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 02:56:31 pmM3vuv im not bothered about the ebay feedback to be honest, any other buyer can see ive had good feedback on all my other listings.See i still dont get this last bit about opening it to change the battery to check the faults were "as listed".When you received it all you had to do to verify that it had the faults i had described, was literarily to power it up and run Self Test. It would have shown the exact same Low Battery Fault as i showed on the advert.The Service manual clearly shows fault finding flow charts and that an FPP 4000 fault,with a BATT-STATUS FAIL Means only one thing.see attached.My point regarding the battery type. 18650 cells are great for power tools and other appliances where you need a Large amount of power, Amps of current for a relatively short time, because of that you get good power output but accept it wont last years, it will discharge in days/hours at full power. Now the other issue is that they have internal leakages, you cannot manufacture a perfect battery which has 0pA of leakage so all battery types will self discharge to some degree.As 18650 Cells are not designed for long life, as in holding charge for years, they are more likely to have higher leakage currents then a long life battery. How many times have we taken out a Battery power tool and found its dead although it was charged the last time it was used? I know i have several times.So when then you fit it to a scope which may sit in someones lab unused for 6/7 months the internal leakage causes the battery to self discharge.However with the correct battery type for the scope, its does not need to deliver massive amounts of amps at once, and because the cell chemicals and structure is different, they have much better internal leakages and therefore are rated for 10+ Years of standby currents.Think of it as the Sun which burns twice as bright lasts half as long. You need a cell which is designed to trickle a tiny amount of current to keep the RAM charged/powered for an indefinite amount of timeEdit; I would like to point out i am not an expert in battery/cell technology, but this is just my understanding from my career in electronics. Ofcourse all of this ive said so far is ignoring the fact that the 18650 also has as gnif & others pointed out, a much higher cell voltage.Edit 2; Addition of extract of the Fault diagnosis sheet from the service manual for a FPP 4700 Failure (Batt Status)

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 04:44:21 pm
content: m3vuv you are never automatically entitled to a partial refund, sellers can choose to request the item back. Once you modified it you waved you rights to a fair full refund. You only got a partial because TaylorD93 was inexperienced, really you owe him 25 pounds and a "sorry I overreacted".You also threatened to report him to the police and were deceptive to everyone online based on omission of the facts. People could immediately smell a rat, sellers who scam on the description and condition categories are subject to provide a refund. But they don't admit their mistake and offer to help.You forced TaylorD93s response by your actions, ebay is not "try before you buy". It's up to you to check what you have been sent and if it's not as described organize to send it back (without messing with it).Your intentions m3vuv make *you* the scammer, double dipping is bad enough but you went for partial and full refund, messed with it and then sell it. That's quadruple dipping.Send TaylorD93 his postage back.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 06:03:24 pm
content: dont you already know i already know that you knobhead read what i posted and digest it

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 06:34:58 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 06:03:24 pmCareful, see rule #2https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/That said, who are you directing this to?

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 06:59:14 pm
content: Quote from: gnif on January 14, 2022, 06:34:58 pmAfter a reply he posted in the Beginners section yesterday evening (don't bother, it was removed as soon as I reported it), I'm surprised he's still here.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 07:31:04 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 06:03:24 pmAssuming you are aiming that post at me. Just because I was able to read that post I recently quoted, doesn't mean that it was easy to read or well written.So, yes, you are right. At some level, I was able to read, comprehend and what you call 'digest' the post. But, that doesn't mean that it was legible enough, for most people to readily choose to read it.Possible message quote aimed at ?https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/ebay-scammers/msg3940633/#msg3940633

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 14, 2022, 07:52:53 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on January 14, 2022, 06:59:14 pmThe fuse is lit though.......

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2022, 03:37:07 am
content: Quote from: m3vuv on January 14, 2022, 01:10:07 pmDon't you think it would look nicer and be easier to read, if you pressed the QUOTE (button, near the top right corner of each post), and had written the message above, in the following way:Quote from: MK14 on January 14, 2022, 11:37:04 am>>>Start of me re-writing, their post<<<As regards the feedback, I try to be 100% honest. If it's good I say so, the same if bad! I'm John Bull in that respect and don't mince my words.>>>End of me re-writing, their post<<<Giving people negative feedback (and neutral, to a lesser extent), should only really be done in extreme, last resort circumstances. You seem to be giving it, for the slightest mishap, and seem to flatly refuse to wait and give the seller time to respond to your complaint(s), and perhaps fix the issue(s) with partial or full refunds, or replacement of the item(s).What I find funny about all of this (as regards the feedback), is you seem to react very badly, when you (rather rarely) sell an item on ebay, and they give you negative feedback in response. With you ending up using swear word(s) or name calling, against them. Which is something you also shouldn't really be doing in ebay feedback. In fairness, I should say, they did initially use a somewhat (or slight, opinions probably vary) bad word, in their feedback to you (m3vuv). Also, you did manage to get about 5 good feedbacks when selling, so you are not that bad (at selling).The negative feedback said (I've replaced any swear or bad words with asterixis's):NEGATIVE-FEEDBACK-for-m3vuv"Description as new, I recive **** broken and damage product. No recommend."m3vuv's (ebay ID different name on ebay) reply was:"**** said screen scratched,it wasnt just dirt,timewaster!!"Item was a £100 or more, laptop computer or similar.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 15, 2022, 04:31:48 am
content: As we are all human, mistakes will be made on occasion. In my book, it's how those mistakes are addressed that matters.In this case, I'd be happy to deal with TaylorD93. I would avoid the other person, entirely.