Spot the inconsistancies. - Page 1
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author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2016, 06:20:54 pm
content: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Keysight-Agilent-34970A-Data-Acquisition-Data-Logger-Switch-Unit-/252479176456?hash=item3ac8ee7f08:g:ui8AAOSwXeJXeeuXJay

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2016, 06:43:29 pm
content: I don't really see anything obviously wrong with the listing.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2016, 07:18:14 pm
content: It's an EEVblog "find Waldo" game.QuotePhoto of front panel w/ sticker, "CALIBRATION NOT REQUIRED".

author: electr_peter
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2016, 07:42:52 pm
content: QuoteI do not see any inconsistencies. Statement above refers to the company practices and partly to the instrument (which is functional).Second statement clarifies the point event more:QuoteWhat do you expect to calibrate in an empty switch unit?

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2016, 08:22:55 pm
content: Quote from: bitseeker on July 28, 2016, 07:18:14 pmWell, I "spotted" this, but as noted above, there is nothing wrong with this listing.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2016, 11:00:07 pm
content: It's incorrect, usually unintentional, and not uncommon on eBay.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2016, 11:05:57 pm
content: There is nothing incorrect about this statement.It never said this specific unit was calibrated, it only states that it came from the factory that calibrates their equipment.It might as well say "Came from a factory that used to keep their toilets clean"

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2016, 12:51:11 am
content: The statement says that it "Came from company" (i.e., the owner of the equipment) "that kept their equipment" (i.e., its own equipment, "their" refers to the owner of the equipment) "calibrated". Thus, the claim is that the owner kept all of their equipment calibrated, which isn't valid by the example.If you want to read it differently, that's OK with me. Not my listing.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 29, 2016, 10:30:14 am
content: Quote from: bitseeker on July 29, 2016, 12:51:11 amYup. In addition:QuoteYet it's throwing an error.Jay

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2016, 03:40:45 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on July 29, 2016, 10:30:14 amThe error is that there is no plug-in module inserted, and description clearly states that it comes without any modules.

author: Kilrah
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 29, 2016, 04:56:56 pm
content: Both claims are defeated then. Nothing to see here...

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2016, 05:38:06 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 29, 2016, 03:40:45 pmAgreed. The error is due to there being no modules installed, although it would've been nice to have stated that.Many of these issues are simply due to the fact that large-volume sellers don't have the background or can't afford to spend the time on every detail of a listing. Although it is forehead-slapping, it's just the nature of moving so much stuff. C'est la vie.My pet peeve, though, is the statement, "from a working environment." What do I care if the environment was working? I want to know if the item in question is working.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 29, 2016, 05:44:32 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on July 29, 2016, 03:40:45 pmSorry, that is absolutely incorrect. It will not throw an error (red error annunciator) if there's no modules installed. I repair and sell these quite often, and am very familiar with them.EDIT: At the very least, the battery is dying or almost dead. The FRAM may also be defective (740 series errors)Jay

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2016, 05:48:20 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on July 29, 2016, 05:44:32 pmOh, I remembered incorrectly.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 29, 2016, 05:48:33 pm
content: Quote from: Kilrah on July 29, 2016, 04:56:56 pmMight want to re-think that.Jay

author: bitslice
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2016, 08:27:17 pm
content: An identical logger with the same error, but actually marked as no goodhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Hewlett-Packard-34970A-Data-Aquisition-Switch-Unit-Parts-or-Repair-US37024669-/182003214169The OP's experience might have been added to the post, to save the second guessing of it

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 03:22:18 am
content: Unless that was part of the game.

author: electr_peter
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 09:33:21 am
content: Quote from: Jwalling on July 29, 2016, 05:44:32 pmOK, so know we have something to consider. Red error mark can signify something wrong even when no modules are installed based on Jay's experience with such units. Why didn't Jay point out this out earlier?Either way, it is responsibility of a seller to sell functioning equipment based on the claims. Buyer can easily claim refund if an error is a serious issue.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 09:41:09 am
content: Quote from: electr_peter on July 30, 2016, 09:33:21 am*Sigh*Jay

author: Kilrah
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 09:52:22 am
content: You posted a "quiz" that requires extensive knowledge about a particular device, which obviously noone but you seems to have around here. What else do you expect?

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 11:10:49 am
content: Quote from: Kilrah on July 30, 2016, 09:52:22 amOr one could RTFM.Quote from: Kilrah on July 30, 2016, 09:52:22 amNot much, in hindsight.Whatever.Jay

author: bitslice
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 01:06:06 pm
content: Thread wins nerd award for the display of the most esoteric product knowledgeNext up, PDP 11 error codes

author: Melt-O-Tronic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 03:47:48 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on July 28, 2016, 06:20:54 pmFound one!

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 04:04:58 pm
content: Quote from: Melt-O-Tronic on July 30, 2016, 03:47:48 pmOK THAT'S IT!!I'm going to ask the moderators to lock this thread!!Jay

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 06:14:06 pm
content: Calibration not required, because it has failed self test, and is just there as a place holder till they can get accounting to write it off. No need to calibrate stuff you are throwing away, though you might have to hold it till year end inventory so that you can write it off correctly. Thus the sticker.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 09:21:52 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on July 30, 2016, 11:10:49 amExactly, which is what I should've done to refresh my recollection before making my earlier flub. The manualsareonline.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 09:25:11 pm
content: Quote from: Melt-O-Tronic on July 30, 2016, 03:47:48 pmBonus point!

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 10:03:45 pm
content: Quote from: bitseeker on July 30, 2016, 09:25:11 pmDo speeling misteaks reely count?I'm outa heer.Jay

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2016, 10:54:43 pm
content: Your game, your call. A bonus point seemed appropriate.If the speeling errorr wuz on da meeter, no bonuss, just regular point.