Tesla car auto drove drunk dude who's sleeping! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 06:07:29 pm
content: Sort of! Police claims they and most people dont know what "auto assist" can and canot do. What can it do i wonder, take curves on a highway? Stop and start at street lights? Tesla car was on the Embarcadero road and police stopped him at the end at Shell station where the road makes a gentle left bend but the road as such seams pretty straight for a quite long distance.https://www.google.se/maps/@37.4459677,-122.1305225,17zhttps://www.theverge.com/2018/12/3/18124017/chp-tesla-autopilot-police-redwood-city-drunk-driver

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 06:23:02 pm
content: "Tesla car auto drove drunk dude who's sleeping!"is literally the only reason for wich i would ever want an autonomous car.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 07:21:17 pm
content: I'm wondering what's going to happen the first time that someone dies behind the wheel of a Tesla or another car on Autopilot. Will the car keep going until it runs out of gas? Or, potentially, runs out of land and drives into the Pacific Ocean!

author: Koen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 07:22:36 pm
content: Great ! Cheaper burials at sea !

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 08:00:52 pm
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on December 05, 2018, 07:21:17 pmWell, AFAIK, the Tesla's system is supposed to warn the driver if they don't have hands on the wheel and after a while it is supposed to disconnect and stop. So if the driver gets incapacitated while the car is on Autopilot, in the best case the car will stop, in the worst case, if the Autopilot gets confused somehow (e.g. like with that fatal median divider crash), it will not be much different from any other non-automated car - it will end up with a crash.Why this didn't happen in this case is difficult to say because Tesla tends to claim one thing (such as the above that their system checks whether the driver has hands on the wheel) and then you see cases like this where it either clearly didn't happen or the system has been defeated somehow.It isn't the first case neither, e.g. here is a guy sleeping behind the wheel:Guy has apparently managed to defeat the hands-on-wheel check using an orange:Here is a demo how the system is supposed to work with an inattentive/incapacitated driver - alerts, then disconnect and stop the car.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 08:07:25 pm
content: Here's a joke; They should try and make it detect the behaviour of drunk drivers so when they fall asleep and loose control it will drive them safely and book them a night stay in a cell at the nearest police station.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 08:07:51 pm
content: Quote from: janoc on December 05, 2018, 08:00:52 pmCar will just stop, not crash.

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 09:00:01 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on December 05, 2018, 08:07:51 pmAs I understand it, the Tesla has a band aid solution. It brings the car to a stop and turns blinkers on. Better than nothing, maybe, but a stopped car in the middle of an expressway is not a safe solution. You could actually argue that keeping the car moving until the driver recovers is a better solution (though not a solution at all for the dead driver and other situations).I actually believe that self driving cars are the future, and not a very distant future at that, but a partial self driving car has many flaws.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 09:24:19 pm
content: Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 05, 2018, 09:00:01 pmIt is still moving some time after driver ignores warning. But it cannot move endlessly, especially unattended.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 10:00:10 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on December 05, 2018, 08:07:51 pmThe crash comes a minute later when "A truck rear ends a tesla that was parked in the middle of the road".

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2018, 10:19:19 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on December 05, 2018, 09:24:19 pmTrue but IMHO the car should attempt to park itself on the hard shoulder or a parking space along the road but the latter would be harder to implement. I also noticed that in one of the videos Janoc linked to the steering wheel seems to be on the left while the car also drives in the left lane. I'd assume Tesla also has models with the steering wheel on the right for countries where they drive on the left??? So what the heck is happening?

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2018, 02:26:05 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on December 05, 2018, 08:07:51 pmSee the last video I have posted.OTOH, there is ample evidence that this system doesn't work well or is easily defeated, given how many videos are floating around with people having the car going unattended for minutes. So that crash is still a (very real) possibility.Quote from: nctnico on December 05, 2018, 10:19:19 pmIt could easily be e.g. a French Tesla (left hand steering wheel) driving in the UK. Or (more likely given the other videos of that fellow), he is in Australia (left hand drive) and has an import car because a RHD car may not have been available yet.

author: raptor1956
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2018, 12:34:29 am
content: I'm not 100% sure, but in most places in the USA if you are in a car and drunk AND the key is in the ignition or the car is running (push starter with key fob in pocket) then whether you're driving or the car is won't save you from a DUI conviction.Brian

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2018, 03:52:33 pm
content: Quote from: raptor1956 on December 07, 2018, 12:34:29 amTrue in the UK as well, drunk in charge of a vehicle is a crime so even running the engine for heating is illegal.In my EV I can run the heating with the ignition off - I wonder if this counts... I have heard that hiding the key e.g. in a wheel well or the boot is the best thing you can do in that situation, as it shows you cannot have driven the car.

author: cs.dk
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 07, 2018, 06:09:39 pm
content: Same in Denmark.. While I was younger (18-20), I often took my car to a party, and a taxi home.If you entered the car to grab a CD, they could charge you for drunk driving. Entering in the passenger site was showing you didn't have a purpose of driving the car.I don't know how many cases there are, and how they deal with them in the court. It is technically not illegal to grab a CD, even you're drunk..