Free Hameg HOO11 License key in 2011 - Page 1
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author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 11:45:07 am
content: Is there anyone here who bought a new HAMEG HMO72x/102x/152x/202x scope in 2011 and got this key for free?(on some sites it seems it was even done in the beginning of 2012)HOO11 = serial decoding on analog channels. (like I2C)

author: almoehi
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 12:08:52 pm
content: Yes, got mine preinstalled with it.

author: anotherlin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 01:52:13 pm
content: Yes, I should have it with my HMO0722

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 05:08:06 pm
content: Does anyone know how a license is provided if it wasn't pre-installed?Any suggestions where you best buy this? (The store of my scope doesn't provide licenses)Procedure: Will they post something USB key, ID number card or email it?ThanksP.S. The number shown in the manual isn't a valid one, I had to try

author: 0xdeadbeef
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 05:47:28 pm
content: Quote from: KedasProbe on July 12, 2012, 05:08:06 pmYou can contact Hameg directly. At least in Germany they will send you the key (+invoice) via e-mail after you sent them your serial number.

author: almoehi
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 05:48:45 pm
content: I would recommend you contact Hameg customer service and describe your situation. I personally am extremely happy with them.You get a file mailed that you import into your scope. The serial number is bound to your very scope as you have to submit the seriel number of your scope for them to generate a licence number for your decoder.

author: almoehi
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 05:54:27 pm
content: KP, I bought the missing one on my scope here:http://www.datatec.de/Hameg-HMO2024-Oszilloskop.htmThey should be able to communicate in English if necessary.

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 07:49:01 pm
content: So the price on that site would be 190+19%tax = 226 Euroedit: they add 8,40 Euro transport cost, I don't like that for an email.I can understand Hameg requesting my serial number (although their website doesn't have a shop), but I don't see that website you provided asking for my serial number?So does your serial number even matter to get a valid license?

author: 0xdeadbeef
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2012, 09:05:48 pm
content: Hameg won't charge you for the postage, so there's not much point in buying somewhere else until the license is distinctly cheaper there. Also the license is bound to the serial number, so in the end you need to give your serial number somehow. Dunno how this works when you buy the license from a retailer. Probably you get some kind of license document that you then need to send to Hameg with your serial number and get the license key in return.

author: anotherlin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 08:15:40 am
content: Contact Hameg (Rohde & Schwartz) directly. For my HMO0722, the sale guy at Hameg gave me 15% of discount. Not sure they offer discount on their software license, but worth trying.

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 09:58:14 am
content: Yeah that seems like the safest thing to do.I wonder why they don't have their website set up to sell licenses.I'm still doubting between HOO11 and HOO10, HOO10 cost a lot more for the few times you may need it but on the other hand not having it feels wrong if you already have the 8 logic probe.Maybe it is possible to upgrade HOO11 to HOO10 later....(paying the difference)

author: almoehi
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 03:17:30 pm
content: No, the three licences are independent. You have to obtain alle three of them separately if you want to have a fully equipped HMO.

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 03:52:14 pm
content: Quote from: almoehi on July 13, 2012, 03:17:30 pmFrom what I can see HOO10 can do anything HOO11 can do and more.So it's pointless to buy HOO11 if you already have HOO10.I got a price with a lot of contact information from Hameg/Rohde&Schwarz. (in my local language)I asked them the same question, I will let you know.

author: almoehi
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 05:28:07 pm
content: Hm, seems you're right. As I got the HOO11 and HOO12 for free I had to buy the HOO10 to do the remaining upgrade for the digital chanels.

author: 0xdeadbeef
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 05:32:05 pm
content: Just as a side note: only HOO10 can decode two serial buses in parallel. HOO11 can decode only one - even on 4ch scopes.When taking into account that the SPI decoder can only decode one data channel (e.g. either SDI or SDO), you need two decoders in parallel to do a full SPI decode.So IMHO HOO11 is not able to fully decode an SPI bus, as you have decide between SDI and SDO and can't decode both at the same time.

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 07:58:00 pm
content: Anyone using a separate PC based protocol analyser instead of these?I see it's in the same price range and supports more.http://usbee.com/sx.html

author: 0xdeadbeef
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2012, 08:48:13 pm
content: There are dozens of USB based logic analyzers and which have been discussed here before (e.g. I like the Open Logic Sniffer and the ZeroPlus LAP-C(16032) as it can be patched to a 16128). Indeed for mere protocol sniffing they are often more useful than a protocol decoder in a scope. Two things to consider though:#1 They usually (apart from a few highend LAs) don't allow you to trigger on a specific message. Not that you'd need this a lot, but it can be helpful in certain situations.#2 You don't see the physical signal, but just what the LA sees. And this might be something slightly different than what your microcontroller or ASIC sees. You don't see imperfections, noise, crosstalk etc. E.g. at work we recently had a case where several SPI participants wrote to the bus at the same time due to an issue with inconsistent CS initialization. You could easily see this is on a scope, but on an LA you would have seen just garbage.Then of course, it's kinda insane that you can buy e.g. a Logic Sniffer with several free protocol decoders for 45€ or a ZeroPlus LAP-C(16032) with about all the protocols you'll ever need for ~90€ while you pay hundreds of € for a protocol decoder on a scope (the Hameg is about the cheapest anyway).At least #2 should be solvable in software by exporting the raw data and using an external protocol decoder. I guess with NIVISA you could make this quite convenient. It's just that currently no such solutions exists AFAIK. I thought about starting this for like 25 seconds but there are too many issues to overcome and so little time

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2012, 10:00:03 am
content: Since the LA1034 LOGICPORT and HOO10 both cost about 350Euro.I think it is impossible to go for the HOO10.I read that there would be some trigger-out possibility (with a small change) to trigger your MSO around the area of interest.

author: 0xdeadbeef
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2012, 11:30:44 am
content: As most other affordable Logic Analyzers, the LogicPort can't trigger on serial (SPI/I2C etc.) patterns.Actually only a few LAs can, e.g. the LeCroy Logic Studio which is in the 1k€ range. So if you need triggering on serial patterns, the 345€ for the HOO10 are still some kind of a bargain. Then again, as I said: you rarely actually need this and most of the time, you can live without it.Besides, there are other opinions, but IMHO the LogicPort is a little outdated and overpriced taking into account that you can buy a ZeroPlus LAP-C(16032) for ~90€ and patch it into a LAP-C(16128) with 128k. The only benefit of the LogicPort that I can see is its more advanced trigger system. Then again, the OLS has a comparable system for 45€ - it's just that the software still doesn't fully support it.

author: T4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2012, 12:13:48 pm
content: Quote from: 0xdeadbeef on July 14, 2012, 11:30:44 am*disaster girl*SHAME.I hope for a better software eventually, but in any case it's still a great bargain for a LA

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2012, 12:41:34 pm
content: For the LAP-C 16032 (120 Euro) they do offer "30 additional protocol decoder plugins of your choice for free"So that seems interesting.The Protocol Analyzer Trigger Setup can be activated for 49Euro extra.

author: 0xdeadbeef
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2012, 03:26:21 pm
content: Quote from: KedasProbe on July 14, 2012, 12:41:34 pmIndeed - especially since the most important decoders are for free anyway. Just remember to patch it before registering (and register it as 128), else you lose the protocols.Quote from: KedasProbe on July 14, 2012, 12:41:34 pmMy understanding is that this is just a software feature though. It doesn't really seem to allow triggering, but just marks the pattern in the already sampled buffer. I would call it a pattern search/highlight feature, not a pattern trigger feature.Anyway, I still like the ZeroPlus a lot, even a bit more than the OLS. BTW, you can get it here for 89€ excluding VAT:http://tigal.de/brand/37BTW there is a separate device from ZeroPlus that is able to create triggers on specific I2C/SPI messages as far as I understand:http://tigal.de/product/2054Costs 169€ though and I guess you could easily do this with any microcontroller evaboard if you spent some days/weeks to setup a configurable protocol sniffer with trigger output.