On seeing the UK BBC Web News Headlines, I knew who That YouTuber would be...... - Page 1
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author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 19, 2022, 02:53:40 pm
content: Quotehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-61851694Would you know as well?

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 19, 2022, 02:56:12 pm
content: He lives out in Lincolnshire if I remember...QuoteI can see them now...

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 21, 2022, 11:29:33 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on June 19, 2022, 02:56:12 pmStamford mate.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 21, 2022, 11:30:26 pm
content: What they on about "allowed to"? It's HIS land!BBC "news" are about 4-5 months behind this "news" LOL...

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 06:20:14 am
content: Quote from: eti on June 21, 2022, 11:30:26 pmAre building permits not a thing in the UK?I kind of like the concept that someone keeps an eye on new buildings: Make sure that the building is safe to live in and does not kill the inhabitants or their guests; make sure that it does not impact the neighbours, be it by blocking their sunlight above-ground, or by making their ground shift due to some rampant excavation.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 06:29:00 am
content: They are a thing. You need “planning permission”.Most of the time you can build what the hell you like and get away with it though because enforcement is through complaints. So basically nosey people and dog walkers report things to the council who investigate.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 07:00:18 am
content: Thanks for the perspective.Things are a bit stricter here -- well, this is Germany after all... Our zoning laws set pretty specific rules. E.g. in my neighborhood you can only build single-family homes or duplexes; they can only have a ground floor + slanted roof or one staggered floor; you can't build on the rear part of the lot, and have to keep 2.5 m away from the property line all around. And you better obtain a building permit ahead of time, based on submitting your detailed plans and structural analysis: Otherwise youwillbe fined, and may be required to modify or tear down your illicit building.I have not looked into the rules for underground buildings yet...

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 07:11:38 am
content: It's the same here really but the enforcement effort is so low that it's a risk worth taking sometimes. There's a limitation act which means that if it's there for 5 years or so and no one complains then there's nothing they can do about it unless it's a safety issue.There was a thing a few years back though which was funny where someone did complain and they had to demolish 48 new built flats because they were 18cm away from where the plans specified. That was just the locals getting back at the developers

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 07:15:28 am
content: That's pretty similar to the UK, a property has certain classifications, for instance residential, retail, hotel, etc. And you have to seek a variation to those to allow you to change the land-use.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 07:55:35 am
content: The parish council strongly objected to the plans which it said would cause concern regarding health and safety and subsidence.Oh fuck off. Seriously? Don't they have anything better to whinge and moan about?

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 08:22:00 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on June 22, 2022, 07:55:35 amHaving lived in a small town that’s exactly why they exist. To interfere, judge and control. It’s also why I will only live in a large city now.

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 08:44:53 am
content: I wonder what his neighbours really think? Is that a semi-detached house? And where does all of that rock go to?Are there sulphur dioxide or carbon monoxide sensors down there, as the working face can be a ground vapours hazard?My subsoil is clay, sand and aluvial shale. Which means I could dig a bunker in no time. The house will collapse into a sink hole when the ground water finds the void, but at least I will be safe from the council idiots who argue over the colour of people's front doors; because they have the authority. Ain't that right Jackie Weaver?

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 10:33:27 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on June 22, 2022, 08:22:00 amYup, refusing planning permission is almost an art in this country. And we wonder why infrastructure takes so long to build. Oh, won't someone think of the small population of dung beetles along that high speed railway? We'll have to build an insect bridge for that but that means those wildflowers there will get slightly altered and Ms Jenkins at no 45 seven miles away has filed an objection......

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 12:32:55 pm
content: This is why it took us 5 years later than the next road to get fibre. Some old cow objected to the planning permission for the box. Eventually she died. We bought a cake to celebrate.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2022, 11:57:42 pm
content: It's amazing what a few YouTube money backhanders can get done... "money talks, bullshit walks."

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 09:14:26 am
content: The late, great, Fred Dibnah successfully built a 70ft mineshaft in his back garden, and planned a 90ft tunnel at the bottom (although I don't think he was able to complete this as his health failed...https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/freds-mine-disaster-1103338Dying seems to be a good way of overcoming planning objections though...https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mineshaft-tribute-to-dibnah-allowed-1092788RIP Fred.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 10:28:13 am
content: Quote from: AndyBeez on June 22, 2022, 08:44:53 amhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/fNSHNXCeir8

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 12:05:11 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on June 24, 2022, 09:14:26 amhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_DibnahYes, he was amazing. I use to like watching his TV shows. Typically, I'd see him approach a giant, crazily high all brick chimney. Break away, an approximately fire place sized hole, at the bottom of it. Gradually hammering in large wooden wedge like things, to replace the bits of wall holding the chimney up.Then watch in awe as he would light a fire, and then move everyone a safe distance away from the (not sure, perhaps 200 foot high), chimney. Which, as the fire burns, would eventually collapse with dramatic effect.His operations, were gradually replaced by explosive expert placing teams, who could better ensure the collapsing chimney, wouldn't demolish some modern, still wanted building, nearby.His steam engine/tractor collection, was interesting as well.He seemed to have a peaceful philosophical way of looking and handling life, which was pleasant to witness.Typical example:

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 09:59:27 pm
content: I preferred the ones where he would make a hole near the bottom of the chimney, install an angled chute running into a skip, and then cheerfully work his way around the top, knocking the bricks loose a few at a time and chucking them down the spout! He believed that if a chimney had taken so much effort to erect, it deserved the dignity of taking some effort to bring down again (unlike the 'dynamite men').He was a man who was comfortable in his existence. As he put it, "One mistake up here, and it's half a day out with the undertaker".P.S. His angled counterbalanced bucket aerial ropeway method of bringing rubble down was a wonder to behold too.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 10:08:02 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on June 22, 2022, 06:29:00 amYou need planning permission for the structure's overall shape, size, and location. There may also be requirements for the appearance to blend with its surroundings. Some conservation areas are really strict on this. Once you have planning approval, you also need building approval for the detailed design meeting construction standards, and the construction will be monitored at key stages - e.g. checking the footings are properly constructed before the trenches get filled in, and nobody can see,

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 10:38:41 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on June 24, 2022, 09:59:27 pmThanks, I enjoyed watching that video. Times gone by. I see what you mean, taking it down brick by brick, is sort of respecting the massive chimney, and has its own, sort of art to it.He seem to imply/say, it's when other buildings are too close, to safely demolish it, in one big go. They take it down, brick by brick.From that video, when Fred reached the top of the chimney, and was climbing over that flimsy wooden scaffolding structure, which seemed very wobbly, then took both of his hands off the latter. Was something, I'd not be happy to do, especially at 200+ feet, with a big wind, and no safety harness or anything.I presume, these days, there would be some kind of safety harness, which is clipped to various parts of the ladder, as it's climbed, so if you slip, you are limited/held, by the length of safety rope, perhaps 10 or 15 feet.

author: HobGoblyn
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 10:43:02 pm
content: Reminds me of the UK farmer that built a huge castle without planning permission and hid it behind bales of hay, it’s now been demolished, I liked it personally.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/feb/03/farmer-castle-home-haystack-demolition

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 10:54:48 pm
content: Quote from: HobGoblyn on June 24, 2022, 10:43:02 pmThey tried to exploit the fact, that if it remains undiscovered for a period of time, it can then remain. But, apparently the law doesn't work like that, in that specific case. So if you hide it on purpose, it doesn't count, or something.You're right, it did seem like a nice building. Unfortunately, they have to knock down things like that, otherwise, people would exploit the situation to extremes, and buy up a very cheap field. Then build a 750 bedroom Hotel, or block of flats on it, and other sillies.In this case (tunnel), I think it was just built for genuine (Youtube) reasons, not to make a profit or make where they live a lot bigger, without getting planning-permission.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 11:00:34 pm
content: Yes, lord only knows what could happen if plebians were allowed to build their own homes on any private land. I mean, won't someone consider the inflated property prices? I shudder to think of a drop in house prices - it shall ruin the character of the entire street. Harrumph.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 11:19:46 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on June 24, 2022, 11:00:34 pmYes, but what would things end up looking like, then......

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 11:41:40 pm
content: You need the permit, so the local city Planning Dept. can check; if any neighbors have ALREADY been tunnling under there (and paid up on bribes...if they have any corruption in local gov.)

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 11:50:09 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on June 24, 2022, 11:19:46 pmThat place has VERY strict planning and building controls.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 11:54:06 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on June 24, 2022, 11:50:09 pmIf that is the case, then it could be lack of enforcement, corruption, negligence, etc.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2022, 11:55:20 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on June 24, 2022, 11:54:06 pmNope. They come down really hard on people not complying with the rules.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 12:05:51 am
content: Quote from: coppice on June 24, 2022, 11:55:20 pmI don't know for sure, about that particular location. But in general, as I understand it, there are places, with a serious lack of planning regulations.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 12:10:32 am
content: Quote from: MK14 on June 25, 2022, 12:05:51 amMost planning in the UK, is a dismal failure, leading to horrible results. On the other hand, the building regulation control is reasonably effective at producing safe buildings.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 12:21:41 am
content: Quote from: coppice on June 25, 2022, 12:10:32 amI suspect that is a matter of opinion. As I see it, sometimes it is good, and other times bad, with some of the planning decisions.I suspect, that as the UK is relatively crowded, it makes strict/careful planning control, more important. Than somewhere with lots of wide-open space, and plenty of room to build stuff, without affecting others.Over building in places in the the UK, could cause terrible traffic situations, badly over-load services, such as Doctors surgeries, Hospitals, Schools and other facilities. Make the place over-crowded, possibly crime ridden, and perhaps make it horrible, for most people, living in that area. Not to also mention, potentially increases in pollution, littering, street-crime, traffic-queues, road accidents, and many other nasties.

author: Kyle_from_somewhere
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 12:33:29 am
content: Planning permission is more important than "it's my land and I can do what I want", which itself is a sentiment from an era much newer than most land law is from.You might think "it's mine, I can do it if I want to, you can't stop me", but if the thing that you want to do is say, build a massive amazon warehouse on top of greenbelt land where deer live and the motorway is the opposite side of the village... then your actions would fuck everything up for a lot of people and you should be stopped.For ordinary people who want to build one house for themselves or put a garage up or whatever, getting permission is easy. They just want to make sure you're not going to do something bad.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 09:14:07 am
content: Planning permission in itself isn't bad, but it's too restrictive and the process allows too many objections and delays. It has deliberately been made more obtuse year on year by governments with policies that favour those who already own property.Additionally, it should be pretty easy to build infrastructure where the benefit to others is greater than the small cost to those e.g. living within a few km of a rail line.Recently, a plot of land next to a rail station near me was bought by a developer. The station has a 40 minute train to London, so you would have thought it's a perfect spot for commuters to live. (There are already quite a few houses near the station.) NOPE, because the council won't grant permission, it's being turned into a car park. You could fit about 10-15 two bed apartments there or something similar, but instead it will be a place for cars. Terrible land use policy.(Car parking itself isn't bad - we need it. But we don't need it to be immediately next to prime infrastructure like this, as it encourages car dependency.)

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 10:06:43 am
content: There’s a lot of corruption in planning as well. The developers are well known for throwing money at local councillors. And when they do that policy suddenly appears in favour in the planning departments.There was a hilarious backfire on this near me. One of the local rat runs goes past the road where all the rich councillors live. So they used their power to force through a highways change to block the road against public vote so they didn’t have cars going past. Two huge concrete blocks arrived and signage was erected at each end saying that it was No through roads. Within a month the concrete blocks turned into a well known fly tipping and shooting up heroin location which devalued the local houses considerably

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2022, 10:41:02 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on June 25, 2022, 10:06:43 amIts hard to see how it could be otherwise. Parts of the UK planning system are objective. For example, there are geometric rules about the ability of your new structure to block natural light to your neighbours windows. You can nit pick over fine details there, but the rules are pretty solid. The rest is subjective, and anything subjective is wide open to corruption.