Agilent mso7014a for $3.6K? - Page 1
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author: ivaylo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2013, 07:40:28 pm
content: Looks like you can get one from Agilent refurbished for that price. Haven't seen them discussed much here so have a few questions.When were they introduced (don't see this on Agilen't site)? Still considered "contemporary"?How would that model compare with say the msox3014a (esp. for that price)? I know the 7000 comes with network and VGA standard and all which are options for the 3000.Does the rolling the current date back work for them to extend the trial options (like I hear it does for the 6000 series)?Any well known quirks and such?Appreciate your help...

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2013, 07:57:51 pm
content: According to the7000 Series Oscilloscope Software Release Notesit seems that this scope was introduced in 2008 or even earlier.http://www.home.agilent.com/upload/cmc_upload/All/Agilent_7000_Series_Oscilloscope_Readme_06160001.htmlI would rather spend my $3600 on anewoscilloscope.http://www.newark.com/agilent-technologies/dsox3014a/oscilloscope-4-anlg-100mhz-2gsps/dp/21T9287?in_merch=Popular%20Products

author: ben_r_
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timestamp: April 05, 2013, 08:17:12 pm
content: Buying a Premium Used or Certi Prime scope from AgilentUsed on eBay is supposedly like buying one brand new. You get the scope and all accessories in brand new condition and the full warranty just like new. So that parts good. I have myself been researching the heck out of the 2000, 3000 X-Series and the 7000B series as I found the same deal on eBay too. First off in order to get near the same funcationality in a 3000 X-Series that you get in a 7000B series youd have to get the MSOX3014A which is a $4700 USD scope and then add the VGA/LAN card for $400 and the serial decode software upgrades and after all that youre around $5500USD+ and you still only have 4M points vs the 8M in the 7000B and a lower resolution and smaller size display. Now, you can add WaveGen to the 3000 series which you can not in the 7000B series, but WaveGen for the 3000 X-Series is another $731. The 3000 X-Series does however give you 1M waveforms per second vs the 100K per second of the 7014B, so its up to you if you think youd need that much.IMO the MSO7014B for that price and in brand new condition is a hell of a deal and the best I was able to find for that class of scope. Unfortunately I just couldnt justify spending that much for what I do so I went with an equally impressively priced deal on an MSOX2024A with VGA/LAN and 5 year warranty for less than $2200 and Ill get jump on the latest round of 2000 & 3000 X-Series upgrade deals. But had I had the need or the extra cash I would have gone for the 7014B.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2013, 08:39:18 pm
content: Quote from: ivaylo on April 05, 2013, 07:40:28 pmThe B was a more recent version than the original 7000 but not sure what the differences are.QuoteAt least as good, if not better in some respects (e.g. screen resolution), Lower update rate, but still very good. I think it has more memory.QuoteNot confirmed on the 7000 as far as I've seen - The current release for 6000 definitely allows it - it; snot the same firmware file for 7000 but release notes are similar so probably the same code base.A search on this forum for MSO7000B finds a post from a user who has a 7000B so may be worth asking them

author: ivaylo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2013, 09:50:08 pm
content: QuoteWhoops, the one I was talking about is a MSO7014B, not an A like I put in the title...

author: ben_r_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2013, 09:59:15 pm
content: Quote from: ivaylo on April 05, 2013, 09:50:08 pmYea thats what I figured you were referring to since I had considered the same deal (which by the way they will go down to $3500 on the 7014B if you counter offer or ask). So my post above was all with respect to the B version.

author: CarlG
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2013, 10:52:32 pm
content: It's US$1851:- just for the 7014B DSO to MSO upgrade kit, so I'd say US$3.6k is a killing!What I recall at the moment, the main differences between MSO7000B and MSOX3000 are+ 7000 has bigger screen with higher resolution+ 7000 has more max memory (8M vs 4M according to the datasheets but I'm not sure they're 1-1 comparable)+ 7000 has FPGA dynamic probe option+ 7000 has sequence trigger (simple logic analyzer trigger function)+ 7000 has LAN, VGA & GPIB standard+ 7000 has 2GSa/s max sample rate (100MHz BW)+ X3k has 1M/s max update rate+ X3k has setup/hold time, runt and rise/fall time triggers+ X3k has bandwidth upgrade option+ X3k options are cheaper (generally about 50% of 7k series)I find the FPGA dynamic probe VERY useful.EDIT: I hadn't thought about this, but the X3k has dual serial decode capability, which the 7k doesn't. Might be quite useful e.g. if you have a bus converter like SPI --> I2C.

author: CarlG
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2013, 10:54:45 pm
content: Quote from: ivaylo on April 05, 2013, 09:50:08 pmThe 7000A is identical (I think) to the 6000A except for the screen and footprint. The 7000B added search/navigate function and push function on most knobs.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2013, 11:05:55 pm
content: 7000A and 7000B are identical apart from some extra buttons on the front panel. They run the same firmware and have the same options.They are function compatible to the 6000 ( but not form factor. the board is totally different )

author: ivaylo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2013, 07:39:35 am
content: Err..., Christmas came early this year. They accepted a $3.2K offer. Will let you know if those options take dates in the past. Thanks for the help everyone...

author: ben_r_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2013, 04:54:42 am
content: Quote from: ivaylo on April 06, 2013, 07:39:35 amDang! I tried offering that and they wouldn't take it! Congrats!!! That's a hell of a deal!

author: kmel
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2013, 09:14:49 am
content: Quote from: ivaylo on April 06, 2013, 07:39:35 amHere too... because it's really cold outside for April.Quote from: ivaylo on April 06, 2013, 07:39:35 amFirst my intention was to wait for a certiprime MSOX2024A, but as they are not available right now, I got a $3.2K with date rollback (I hope).--kmel

author: mike1305
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2013, 05:11:12 pm
content: The 7000B is basically a predecessor to the 4000 X-Series as far as form factor is concerned. The 5000/6000/7000 series also use the MegaZoom III chip, which updates at ~100,000 waveforms/second, while the 2000/3000/4000 X-Series use MegaZoom IV (1,000,000 waveforms/sec). All great scopes, but as with all purchases, it comes down to price vs. performance, and what you need vs. can afford. Enjoy! Great price IMO.

author: ben_r_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2013, 07:02:13 pm
content: Quote from: kmel on April 09, 2013, 09:14:49 amYou must have looked right in between a relisting of the MSOX2024A as they have been available for months now. But I think you got a better deal with the MSO7014B!