I just tried DipTrace for the first time, and I like it a lot! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: alexanderbrevig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2017, 01:34:06 pm
content: I've been using Altium for work, and KiCad for hobby for a couple of years now.While I like KiCad and have made it mine in some ways - I'm a bit tired by it and its quirks.Because of this I've been on the lookout for a new andnot freepackage. Something stable I can live with for a few, preferably many, years.I've tried a lot of them now (circuit studio, eagle, design spark, orcad, easyeda and a few other web based waste-of-times) and I think I've found my favorite!So close to the Altium feeling with a fraction of the cost.

author: MarkF
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2017, 04:43:14 pm
content: When using the 3-D View to double check your layout, I found3D ContentCentrala good source for those missing models in bothstepandwrlformats. Sometimes thestepformat display better but thewrlformat loads faster. I often edit the part colors in thewrlfiles (like changing the lead color to gold instead of silver). You will need to create an account to download the models but there is no cost associated with it.For home use, don't forget to request the free non-profit license allowing for 500 pins and 2 layers.Enjoy.

author: alexanderbrevig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2017, 05:49:07 pm
content: The good support for step is actually important to meyep.Nice to see things lining up in the enclosure.Grabcad is nice too btw. Fusion360 saves the day for the even weirder stuffMust say the library they ship is HUGE! So far I also like how they organize libraries.Place by list is awesome! And I like the way they handle repeated hierarchical schematics for copying layout.So much nice, I will buy it I think. (Need at least 4 layers, may just go all inn and spring for the full version)

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2017, 10:00:11 pm
content: Quote from: alexanderbrevig on August 21, 2017, 01:34:06 pmMe too, since the Protel days way back in 1990.QuoteI also went on this pilgrimage, but mine lasted from 1996 (when I became dissatisfied with Protel/Altium) until 2014 when I found DipTrace V2.4. It had some real quirks then, but lucky for both of us many of these were fixed in V2.9 & V3.QuoteWelcome to the club!QuoteFor me it is soooooo much better than the Altium feeling.Don't forget to checkout the "hotkeys". You can set many of the repetitive functions to a single keyboard key. I've made many of mine to be identical to Altium's keyboard shortcuts.One thing I really like is that you can change between imperial & metric whilst you are editing within a pop up window. Even Altium can't manage that!Also, make sure you join the DipTrace Forum. The design engineers read the customer posts carefully & many of the suggestions are implemented in the next update version. This is something that Altium could learn from "Listen to your customers".

author: Ash
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2017, 11:12:52 pm
content: Hi,I've also started using DipTrace. My project was commercial and we sprang for the 4 layer license I think (it counts Signal layers) and I did 6 layer designs in it (you have unlimited power layers, but you can manually route in these if you need). I assume the signal / power restrictions are related to the auto-router which I don't use.Pretty happy with it. I did find a bug with the handling of slots and had a good support response from them and I believe it is fixed in the newest release (haven't had a chance to verify yet).My only disappointment is being unable to bind in additional elements in a foot print (Pattern). I have lots of QFNs and want to have standard thermal vias integrated into my custom foot prints. At the moment, I have to add then manually every time I place the part. I'd also love to be able to define placement / size of designators the foot print, but again this is not how they do things. I understand why this is the case (how they implement stuff) but It still would be nice to be able to at least have predefined vias, then at least I can simply modify the via style to suite the board rather than have to add them and group them with the pattern manually each time I use it.All in all though, it is really good. very stable (never had it crash) and quite usable. They do have an extensive component / pattern library, but I don't use it and rather prefer building my own. The component and pattern editors are good as well. I have my libraries checked in to a Git repository.Ash.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 08:07:41 am
content: Quote from: DerekG on August 21, 2017, 10:00:11 pmthen try and name a net something like "THIS_HAS_A_U_IN_IT". to write it fast i don't use caps lock, i use shift. Shift+U is default change unit shortcut.. so be careful when you make your owns, this one is giving me a big headache.I'm not really a fan of some of the default library, like how some symbols are too big (like the inductor), some are retarded (like new pic16), some are still not aligned to the standard grid after many versions (like one of the mosfets)The obvious solution is to make your own, which i do, but i wish these were updated at some point. Actually i wish they separated software updates with library updates

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 10:09:11 am
content: Quote from: JPortici on August 22, 2017, 08:07:41 amYou can cycle between imperial & metric units in Altium using just the "*" key ........... so I just set the same asterisk key to do the same in DipTrace. Very easy

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2017, 08:05:27 pm
content: Quote from: JPortici on August 22, 2017, 08:07:41 amWhere are you entering the net name that this problem occurs?I just tried it in Schematic editor both by right-clicking a net, and from the menu either clicking on the first "Net #" entry and typing in the Net Name window, or by clicking Properties and typing in the Name field of the Net Properties window. There was no changing of units for me at all.(And yes, I checked and I do have the shortcut key setting as Shift+U.)

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 08:40:56 am
content: Funny that you ask, because i tried it right now with my windows 10 machine at home (hobby licence) and it doesn't happenBut it does happen with my windows 7 machine at the workplace (Standard licence)http://www.diptrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11696

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2017, 05:28:26 pm
content: Windows 7 here also, but no bug. Couldn't reproduce the problem using the steps in the linked DipTrace forum post either.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2017, 03:28:34 pm
content: Hi, still happening at the office pc.I noticed it starts happening after a couple of hours.. When it happens i close DIP and open it again. The bug shows up again in a couple of hours

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2017, 07:26:27 am
content: Is their website diptrace.com? If so, does it work well for you?

author: alanb
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2017, 10:35:21 am
content: Their website is Diptrace.com however currently I cannot access it, I get the following error message'Calculated absolute path to typo3conf directory does not exist'

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2017, 10:56:48 am
content: I also got the issue, that's why I wanted to check.

author: alanb
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2017, 11:25:11 am
content: Hopefully the issue with the website will be resolved soon. I can highly recommend Diptrace , it works very well for me although so far all of my projects have been fairly simple and I have managed with the free version. I'm getting close to the pin limit so I expect that I will need to get the paid for version soon.

author: little_grey
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2017, 02:45:37 pm
content: looks much neater than Design-Spark i am using at the moment.When i get to building some of my own projects i'll give it a go i think.other than the website not working, anyone got any comment on its strengths/weaknesses?bits you like or dont?

author: MarkF
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2017, 06:18:00 pm
content: Quote from: alanb on September 07, 2017, 11:25:11 amAre you using the 500 pin Non-profit license (free)?

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2017, 11:46:17 pm
content: Quote from: little_grey on September 07, 2017, 02:45:37 pmJust wait until you have to built your own parts that are not in the Design-Spark library. It can be a nightmare compared with DipTrace.QuoteThe website is back!QuoteI love it. A more productive CAD tool than Altium (which I also use for work) in many ways.Read (& join) the DipTrace Forum to get answers from other dedicated users. Well worth doing. Also check out the DipTrace videos on their website (& on Youtube). My suggestion would be to watch say six DipTrace videos so you have a pretty good idea about how it all comes together.

author: alanb
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 07:39:14 am
content: Quote from: MarkF on September 07, 2017, 06:18:00 pmThe free version that I am using has a 300 pin limit. I wonder if I reinstall the DIp Trace Lite version if the pin limit will go up to 500?

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 09:06:18 am
content: Another question, does the 3D preview work with free version? I don't see why it shouldn't, but it would be interesting to know - I like those previews.

author: alexanderbrevig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 12:01:46 pm
content: Still a newb but for me Ireallylike:The workflow and component/footprint managementNice integration with standards such as DXF and STEP plus an easy way to export to thoseThe UI and UX is not at all bad, a huge plus in the CAD/EDA spaceNet Class, rules and ERC/DRC both work as I want them toNot so much / don't know how to do:The thermal vias that's already mentionedI miss the ability to draw a sone to turn off DRC/ERC such as over an antennaNo visible net names in PCB layoutPanelising tool is sub par but adequate for vscore panelsThe grid is not always my friend, not sure what exactly it is - but I struggle to work with it some some timesThe 3d is great and STEP import/export just simply works and is very easy. Even with the free version which was the first version I tried.

author: MarkF
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 12:09:10 pm
content: Quote from: alanb on September 08, 2017, 07:39:14 amNO. The DipTrace Lite version is the Free version with the Non-profit license.If you want the free 500 pin Non-profit version, you must write them a few lines describing what your intended use is and they will send you a license key to enter into the free version. Go to theDipTrace Litepage and use the link on the left side (half down).Quote from: kalel on September 08, 2017, 09:06:18 amYes. The 3D-preview works. It's FREE. Just try it!

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 27, 2017, 04:24:02 pm
content: Do you have "referrers" turned off or anything set which is nonstandard for cookies? Because that sometimes causes errors like that.Try a number of different browsers.Quote from: alanb on September 07, 2017, 10:35:21 am

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 27, 2017, 04:29:54 pm
content: The website seems to work now, I guess it was a temporary error.

author: alanb
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 27, 2017, 04:37:45 pm
content: Quote from: kalel on September 27, 2017, 04:29:54 pmYes it was back on the 8 Sept

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2017, 02:26:38 am
content: There are still things about DipTrace that piss me off to no end, and I really wish they'd address them. That said, if you can live with some of the issues (and maybe some have gotten better in the 3.0 release) it's really tough to beat their interface. I keep trying to use alternatives, but always come back to DipTrace.

author: djos
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 02, 2017, 04:49:32 am
content: Quote from: alexanderbrevig on August 21, 2017, 01:34:06 pmDiptrace is awesome, I can tolerate it running via Wine on my Mac's simply because it's so darn intuitive and just takes an all round commonsense approach to design.Oh and all my PCB's designed in DT have come back perfect from Elecrow.

author: medical-nerd
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2017, 01:29:35 pm
content: HiyaA couple of newbie questions since I'm deciding what to start learning CAD for electronics on.Does DipTrace include through hole library components?Can schematics be exported to analysis programs?Cheers

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2017, 01:34:15 pm
content: Quote from: medical-nerd on October 02, 2017, 01:29:35 pmYesQuote from: medical-nerd on October 02, 2017, 01:29:35 pmNever done it myself but allegedly, according to Google, someone has done a roundtrip between DipTrace and Multisim.

author: BloodyCactus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2017, 07:05:13 pm
content: Quote from: medical-nerd on October 02, 2017, 01:29:35 pmyes.Quote from: medical-nerd on October 02, 2017, 01:29:35 pmyou can export spectra dsn/ses for things like freeroute. (ive done this quite a bit to check things)you can export pcb+schematics as some other formats etc. (PADS etc). (I've not done this stuff at all so cant comment on its quality).

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2017, 09:49:41 am
content: I personally don't like their through hole library, but it's no problem because it's so easy to make patterns and components. I just made all my own patterns for through hole and now I have a library of everything I use.

author: djos
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 03, 2017, 10:26:07 am
content: Quote from: John Coloccia on October 03, 2017, 09:49:41 amThat's one thing that really convinced me to ditch eagle, making your own parts from scratch or modifying existing ones is just so painless by comparison. Trying to do the same in eagle feels like you are messing with dangerous voodoo magic!

author: alexanderbrevig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2017, 11:55:17 am
content: I do miss net names in the PCB editor like KiCAD:(random google image)Though coloring net classes is almost as useful. In a weird way maybe even more useful, as it forces me to set those up, and then think in general abstract terms instead of having to remember. I.e yellow is impedance matching, blue is power etc. One less thing to have to constantly remember I guess. Still miss it for small quick projects though.

author: ebclr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2017, 09:39:38 am
content: The thing I like is how easy and fast you can do things, does not have the most amazing graphics like Altium, but is direct to the point, to make the schematics and PCB, fast and easy , I liked a lot, and I'm afraid my Altium will be dormant waiting for the 2% projects that need things that diptrace can't do.

author: alexanderbrevig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2017, 10:04:33 am
content: I have decided to go for it. All the things that really matters for me works as I want them to work.Library management and super fast component and pattern creation.Well worth its $.

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2017, 08:56:14 am
content: Quote from: Ash on August 21, 2017, 11:12:52 pmI certainly have added extra through hole pads in the library to mosfet footprints so that I can choose different mosfets to handle different power requirements (on the same board design) ........ so maybe in ver 3.2 you can now do that with vias for your specialised layout.Otherwise, you can save it as a mini pcb layout & simply cut & paste it into each new board design.