Really cheap Electric cars. - Page 1
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author: Faringdon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2023, 06:11:10 pm
content: Hi,We understand that in future, Chinese EV’s will be 4x cheaper than any western ones. As such, we wish to set up a Power Electronics company, so that we will be able to use it to act as our “right of passage” to sell into this market. Ie, we will “middle man” the EV’s in to UK and Europe etc. This “token” company, will look to everyone as if it is a genuine power electronics company…but it will really be just simply our “vehicle” with which to meet customers for the EV market. It will make people think we know about Power electronics…when in fact, we probably wont, we will just be middle men pretenders.Nobody can criticise us in this….for virtually all western electronics companies are really such “token” companys…pretending to be genuine western designer/manufacturers, when in fact, the main income is from the “backroom” middle manning of Chinese electronics into UK (or whichever western country) . Its legal. And if you don’t do it, somebody else will !...so you MUST do it…in order to stay in business.So anyway, we first wish to get some government funding for starting up this company. Do you know of any country where we can get this funding?......we can do some pretend projects, and employ some people with qualifications, to make us look genuine.Do you know of any good projects which we can get going to get some government funding in? Would you like to join us?In past ventures, We have previously encountered abuse from people (loosers) wanting to set up genuine western electronics companys, who we will put out of business by us. But we will not be deterred.We did a good show like this in the audio market...made a packet...but then we suffered abuse at a trade show from a place claiming we were ultimately assisting the manufacturing industry that was ultimately supplying small arms (eg drones and drone jammers, military radios etc) to the Russians in Ukraine. How do you get past these dim-wits?

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2023, 06:18:07 pm
content: ffs, will you never stop with your nonsense?

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2023, 06:24:23 pm
content: Quote from: langwadt on August 06, 2023, 06:18:07 pmLOL!Before I read your reply I was ready to reply that F's post sounded like some kind of a sales pitch!OP, go right ahead. Let us know how that works out for you a few years down the road.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2023, 06:26:45 pm
content: FFS. Get some meds or something.Do you really think anyone will want to join you for anything looking at your post history?

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2023, 06:50:15 pm
content: Quote from: Faringdon on August 06, 2023, 06:11:10 pmIf that means I can get an EV of equivalent specs as my Tesla S for twenty friggin' grand, sign me up lover boy!Never a dull moment withWalter MittySorry, Faringdon on the forum, laugh a minute, keep the entertainment coming.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2023, 06:58:17 pm
content: Chinese made EVs are not 4x cheaper than Western equivalents. The MG4 EV is about £25,000 new, for a specification roughly equivalent to the ID.3 at about £30,000 new. The Polestar 2 is fully made in China and it's over £35,000 new. The Ora Cat is £30,000 new.The issue isn't one of whether you can set up a middleman agency, but whether you can get your vehicle type approved, ship it over, handle sales, park it at a dealership and then service and repair them when things (inevitably, despite your best attempts) go wrong. Oh, and you've got to make sure the quality from the factory in China is consistent, and that the products continue to meet standards, or you'll have expensive recalls to deal with.But I suspect you've had one little silly thought in your mind and are now convinced if you can just get the cash to buy some Chinese electric cars you can make it work.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2023, 09:29:53 pm
content: If you haven’t done it yet, what prevented someone else with more capital than you to do it?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2023, 11:57:53 pm
content: Not sure I completely get what the OP is really on about, although sure it just looks like the usual ranting.On a more general level, given the trend with EVs, I'm pretty sure there's going to be a ton of opportunities for power electronics development, in and clearly outside of China.And given regulations for automotive equipment, it should actually be much easier to "compete" with chinese solutions that with lighting, almost no doubt about that.You just gotta be good though.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 02:47:28 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 06, 2023, 11:57:53 pmhttps://youtu.be/Gw0d0u3o-3M?t=2140

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 08:14:50 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 07, 2023, 02:47:28 amThat video is blocked in the UK.Another reason to get a VPN?

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 11:18:40 am
content: I'd say the "electronics design" is more or less an issue of labour costs - and not of preferring a certain country. As long as the education is "good enough", any country will do.There are plenty of well educated people in Asia, esp. China, so there is no reason not to do your development and manufacturing there.Annoying for people in high-labour-cost countries, I agree. But you know what? Same thing happens to chinese employees right now, as manufacturing moves to even cheaper countries.As for chinese EVs: To meet US/EU-standards, the prices need to raise by a lot. It's simply impossible to have a road legal car as cheap as in China. Their main advantage is low labour costs, state funding, very restrictive working laws and a large, quite restricted, market to grow before expanding to the outside world.However besides some flagship efforts, I can't see them overrunning the US/EU-market anytime soon. They are not that much different from the japanese car makers "back then", which were able to grab some nice market share, but only by investing heavily into the target markets and eventually be just another local car maker (just with another badge).

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 01:29:12 pm
content: I was thinking the other day that things had gone a suspiciously quiet. That's usually a sign that Treez is working up to a troll thread!These 'We are planning' threads also seem to tie up with empty periods in your linkedin profileAnTreez. Considering the number you have been briefly 'associated' with, it's hard to credit your recurring assertions about UK engineering companies being "token". It's just more of the same UK/China crap that you parrot out time and time again. As usual you haven't done even the most basic research before making your assertions ("4x cheaper" in this case).There is no way you will ever look genuine, you lack the credibility to get past even the most cursory government funding checks (lax though they are) to pull off such a con. I don't see you getting further than an agency job on an EV production line.BTW, You really ought to credit eevblog forum members for the long lists of stuff you claim to have fixed!When is enough, enough?

author: Gregg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 03:48:08 pm
content: What IS the difference between a Fairy Tale and a Treez/Faringdon post??A Fairy Tale usually starts with “Once upon a time”; has a whimsical story line and usually ends with “They lived happily ever-after”A Treez/Faringdon post usually starts with “Don’t you agree?” or “We are planning”; followed by wild assumptions but there is never an ending (unfortunately).

author: jc101
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 03:50:00 pm
content: Quote from: Xena E on August 07, 2023, 08:14:50 amDownload a copy of the Opera browser, it has an inbuilt VPN for the browser window. I use it for testing websites where I need to be seen to be arriving from "outside", you can pick the EU, Americas, or Asia. Works well enough for what I need it for without resorting to a full VPN client/service.

author: jc101
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 03:55:51 pm
content: As the "middle man" acting as the importer in the EU/UK, you will be legally liable for standards compliance etc. Your name (and/or company name) will be all over the paperwork. I hope you can get suitable insurance...Throwing in the OEM has to accept you as their representative, which should be a fun ride. Naturally, if you want to re-brand them under your own moniker, you're now liable for everything that can happen to them during the warranty period. Holding spares, writing the maintenance manuals, dealing with the type approval organisations.Drop back when you're all up and running with a link to the website for the vehicles or, better yet, the showroom where they can be viewed and/or test driven.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 04:04:25 pm
content: Quote from: Faringdon on August 06, 2023, 06:11:10 pmRight. You wish.

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 07:07:45 am
content: Quote from: jc101 on August 07, 2023, 03:50:00 pmYeah! Thanks for the suggestion!

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 07:31:59 am
content: To be honest that starter post sounds more like " 'kay guys, I want to commit fraud by scamming gov's out of subsidies, sell non-certified crap from asia that lights itself on fire and electrocutes people, and be a horrible capitalistic person. Please tell who can fund me"Also don't be surprised if import tariffs are going to shoot up in the coming years.

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 08:17:57 am
content: Quote from: Gyro on August 07, 2023, 01:29:12 pmWhile they keep getting their work done for them, they will keep coming back.

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 08:23:00 am
content: Dave already nailed it

author: gnuarm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 08:33:24 am
content: Quote from: jc101 on August 07, 2023, 03:50:00 pmMaybe I should. I signed up for a streaming site saying I was in the US. Turns out they don't actually cover the US, only the 50 states. So when I returned home it didn't work in Puerto Rico. I could use a VPN and look like I'm in the 50 states, when it should work no matter where I am. Silly streaming people!

author: mengfei
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 08:34:32 am
content: Quote from: Xena E on August 08, 2023, 07:07:45 amget's the job done most of the timehttps://www.epicbrowser.com/

author: eutectique
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 12:35:21 pm
content: Quote from: Faringdon on August 06, 2023, 06:11:10 pmSure! Here is a hint on the country and the type ofgood projects:Chinese home bot passed off as combat robodog at Russia's Army 2022 Expo.Quote from: Faringdon on August 06, 2023, 06:11:10 pmDear Beneficiary,

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 02:22:17 pm
content: In France or USA these plastic EV will be squashed like bug in any accident.Very dangerous.j

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 04:46:19 pm
content: Quote from: jonpaul on August 08, 2023, 02:22:17 pmno, because they won't be allowed on the road ...

author: mendip_discovery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 08:00:25 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on August 07, 2023, 01:29:12 pmGyro, did you not see this...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66340991long version here,https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-07-31/the-sunshine-millionaire-how-one-man-took-130m-from-british-taxpayersQuote

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 09:23:51 pm
content: Yes I did, you couldn't make it up could you! Irrc from BBC evening news, he put the expenditure down as something that said 'I'm doing this' if they'd bothered to read between the lines.Treez's problem is that he lacks that sort of imagination, although he does have some very curious ambitions all in his own little world.EDIT: Oh yes, that was it. "These funds… will be used to create a new family investment office and to create wealth for years to come."

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 09:54:08 pm
content: While we don't quite know what the OP's motives truly are, don't necessarily assume he's being dead serious.In particular, given his opinions stated in many other threads, I would consider this one thread as provoking trolling.

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 10:45:35 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 08, 2023, 09:54:08 pmWhat goes around comes around. This was a Greek innovation in low cost EVs from the early 1970s. The Enfield 8000. Zero to 30mph in ........ downhill it could go that fast. Designed by a graduate of M.I.T. no less.Don't laugh, this was a serious attempt to make automobiles free of OPEC. That's if OPEC didn't take control of world's battery lead mines.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfield_8000https://enfield8000.weebly.com/history.html

author: mengfei
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 01:27:00 am
content: any possibility that this is not made in china

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 03:51:43 am
content: What's the front and what's the rear?

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 01:54:48 pm
content: Quote from: mengfei on August 09, 2023, 01:27:00 amMorocco, to my knowledge. It's a repackaged Citroen Ami.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 02:30:51 pm
content: Citroen Ami:6kW (8hp) electric motor75km (47mi) range ideally, realistically around 55km/34miTop speed is dependent upon the weight of the driver and passenger, but around 28 mph with a strong tailwindNo climate control/heating functionsNo ABS/ESP (but to be honest you probably don't need it)It's a fun little car, maybe works for an urbanite, but I am not sure it will catch on outside the city!

author: gnuarm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 03:43:10 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 09, 2023, 03:51:43 amDoes it matter? Most cars move in both directions.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 08:13:10 pm
content: Well that was unexpected, the troll wants help to do his job again.