Rigol DS2000 Hardware version 2.0 - Page 1
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author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2013, 08:20:11 pm
content: This is a DS2072 (or more a DS2202 now) with version 2.0 hardware.Looks like they are going to use the empty spot in the version 1 hardware to make a D model with Logic Analyzer included, and while they were designing the new pcb the input channels got reworked too. Unfortunately it doesn't look like something you can populate at home...Warning, large pictures!

author: cybernet
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2013, 08:39:03 pm
content: and jtag is there - nize one ;-)

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2013, 09:13:12 pm
content: Find the differences.The Game.Apart from the obvious, noting:- Red: Removed,http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lmh1980.pdfhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg266933/#msg266933https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg267243/#msg267243- Blue: Add, I do not know what is, but I have an idea (A kind of comparator / level translator or a simple digital buffer).- There are also changes in the DC/DC power, it look better, but these changes will introduce less noise?What is behind, in the other side of the pcb? And I am not sure, but I think there are also changes in the PSU.- To the input stage has been added a 50 ohm terminator (and other relay).Wow, they had designed it before the 2012/10/29.LA connector is a PCI-E!Thanks for the pictures to David L. Jones and PA0PBZ

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2013, 10:02:43 pm
content: PA0PBZ, you can select the 50 Ohm option?Can you upload an image of the LA zone with more resolution?I assume that this new version will have a new "line" for firmware.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2013, 11:25:25 pm
content: Where is this (see DC-DC_B.jpg)? Is it in the new PSU?And where is this (see DC-DC_A.jpg)? In the other side of the pcb?

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 09:08:06 am
content: It seems that I write this post myself, LOL, but:I've noticed that with the series DS2A1527XXXXX RIGOL not only changed the probes.UberSteve:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg263616/#msg263616Serial: DS2A15270XXXXSoftware version: 00.01.01.00.02 (latest I believe?)Hardware version: 1.0.1.0.0Leonard Tatzig:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol%27s-internal-i2c-bus/msg269946/#msg269946Serial: DS2A1527XXXXXSoftware version: 00.01.01Hardware version: 2.0Carrington:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg264041/#msg264041DS2A1520xxxxx (Week 20, 2013) -> RP3300DS2A1527xxxxx (Week 27, 2013) -> RP3300ADavid's DS2202 is the 1.0 version, without further ado?If so, them, we don't have images of the version 1.0.1.0.0. -> Someone like to volunteer?

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 09:45:31 am
content: Quote from: Carrington on July 31, 2013, 10:02:43 pmNo, it is on the screen in the CH menu but it is fixed at 1M. Not surprisingly because the firmware is the same as the version 1 hardware.QuoteYes, I will do that when I get home tonight. The scope is still in exploded view.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 10:00:45 am
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on August 01, 2013, 09:45:31 amWow, fixed...Quote from: PA0PBZ on August 01, 2013, 09:45:31 amThank you!If you can take another picture of the PSU and the other side of the main board, would be great.

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 11:14:30 am
content: Maybe someone should give them a friendly poke and suggest they turn those heat sinks the right way up, now they are at it...

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 11:18:42 am
content: Quote from: ElectroIrradiator on August 01, 2013, 11:14:30 amWell, there's a fan on one of the sides, so...

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 11:23:51 am
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on August 01, 2013, 11:18:42 amFair enough, didn't know that.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 03:50:56 pm
content: The virgin LA pcb.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 03:57:17 pm
content: And the PSU.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 04:20:25 pm
content: Although it looks like there is a 50 Ohm termination in the input channel now, it is not selectable in the menu, it is greyed out.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 06:48:37 pm
content: There are changes in the PSU to, but are minimal.I wonder what's behind the mainboard, but surely there are others eight channels for the LA, at least the traces from the connector to what looks like a comparator.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 07:26:04 pm
content: well, if 50R is only available in MSO, then it could make sense to hack that DSO to MSO (even with no FPGA populated) to get it enabled.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 07:39:34 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on August 01, 2013, 07:26:04 pmI do not know, but at the moment it only has a stub at the input. But I don't think that it affects for a BW of 200 MHz.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 07:39:47 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on August 01, 2013, 07:26:04 pmMaybe, but the models are not on the market yet so there will be no firmware available, this one still runs on the hardware version 1 firmware. I wonder if you have the same non-functional 1M input button on that hardware...?

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2013, 07:42:31 pm
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on August 01, 2013, 07:39:47 pmYes, my HW version 1.0.1.0.0, is also fixed to 1M.Now, this is my doubt: Anyone know how many versions of HW exist until today's date?And if this sequence of HW is correct (1.0 -> 1.0.1.0.0 -> 2.0), have the 1.0.1.0.0 version the internal 50 ohm termination too?Okay I think I have the answer, just two HW version: 1.0.1.0.0 -> 2.0.And I have the feeling that in the 2.0 Ver. they have improved the PSU and DC/DC parts.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2013, 01:13:12 pm
content: After reviewing the new main board for RIGOL DS2000 (HW Ver. 2.0). I think than this M.B is valid for, DS2000-S, DS2000-D, and then too for a possible DS2000-[DS or SD or ?] (ie whit LA and Function Gen.).

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2013, 11:05:24 am
content: Interesting, there is something about 50 Ohm and 1M ohm in the latest firmware, however on screen it shows the Ohm symbol, not the tekst 'Ohm'Code:........CH1....50ohm................0.........l.....$.................................1Mohm.....

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 09:52:48 am
content: This is a comparison between the two hardware versions.Type of test: Noise floor.Results for hardware ver. 1.0.1.0.0:(1):1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.2. No probe connected in any channel and, only CH1 on.3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC, Adquire=Normal, Men.=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time=500us, Trigger level=0V.4. Cursor on, mode Y, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf. set cursor to the maximum.(2):1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.2. No probe connected in any channel and only CH1 on.3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC, Adquire=Normal, Men.=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time=2ns,Trigger level=between 500uV and 600uV4. Cursor on, mode Y, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf. set cursor to the maximum.In red, trigger level, find the worst case.

author: Monkey
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 11:25:33 am
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 05, 2013, 09:52:48 amHi all I also have attached 2 pics with the above setting on my DS2072 V2.0 Hardware.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 11:29:38 am
content: Hi Monkey, thank you very much!Wow, is very similar. But playing with the trigger you do not get something like this?

author: Monkey
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 11:43:29 am
content: Hi Carrington, moving the trigger between 500 to 600 and I get very much the same results of my pic2.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 11:50:25 am
content: Quote from: Monkey on August 05, 2013, 11:43:29 amOk, thank.Anyone else have a similar result?

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 01:33:24 pm
content: Hi,My result for (1) is the same, just a little bit less amplitude.For (2) I can't set the trigger higher than 400uV otherwise it does not trigger. When measuring the top cursor is at 600uV, the bottom one at -700uV so total 1.3mV

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 01:39:26 pm
content: Hi PA0PBZ, thank.Curious! Then yours (H.W. ver. 2.0) has a little less noise.

author: Mr Simpleton
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 01:55:04 pm
content: Took delivery of a DS2072 today...Must have been NOS (new old stock) as it has H/W rev1 produced in week 20.Pity I did not see this thread when ordering...As for noisefloor, loooks pretty much what all the other have

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 05:11:22 pm
content: Thanks Mr Simpleton, this results seem to be very similar to mine.Anyone with HW version 2.0 please make this "test".

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 08:44:15 pm
content: My Pictures(1) Is now the same as the others, (2) shows a bit less noise and the trigger is set to 500uV, it triggers about once every second. Above 500uV it does not trigger at all.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 08:51:51 pm
content: Still fooling around with the 50 Ohm option, found this SCPI in the firmware:Code:.RES.DATA....CHANnel.CHAN....BWLimit.BWL.BWLimit?....BWL?....COUPling....COUP....COUPling?...COUP?...IMPedance...IMP.IMPedance?..IMP?....SCA:CHAN1:IMP? returns 0MEG, and I have not found a way to change it via SCPI, tried several variations of CHAN1:IMP 50... but nothing.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 08:59:25 pm
content: try CHAN1:IMP FIFTY

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 09:01:39 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on August 05, 2013, 08:59:25 pmI will as soon as I hook it up again, but the return value of 0MEG doesn't give much hope anyway.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 09:08:32 pm
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on August 05, 2013, 09:01:39 pmit is "OMEG", not "0MEG" and it is exactly what the firmware have to return. The "FIFTY" is another one possible value in the firmware.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 09:41:17 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on August 05, 2013, 09:08:32 pmYes, it is 0MEG, but if it was a working command it should have returned 1MEG isn't it?

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 10:13:18 pm
content: it will return what has been coded into the firmware, and when you look inside you will find "OMEG" and "FIFTY".The "O" in "OMEG" menas nothing else than "one", so everything fine. Sure, 1MEG could be good as well, but the number "1" in string is probably what they tried to avoid.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 10:20:31 pm
content: Yeah, I found it too. Thanks for the suggestion and I will try it and let you know.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 11:20:52 pm
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on August 05, 2013, 08:44:15 pmThanks, as we see all the results are very similar, but you have forced the trigger a little true?Well, no matter.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2013, 11:29:50 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on August 05, 2013, 10:13:18 pmDo you use a Hex viewer to see directly inside the gel file? Snoopers, LOL...Do you have a idea of where is keep the serial number? And how change it?

author: true
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 12:30:02 am
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 05, 2013, 11:29:50 pmcan use strings, or an editor yesQuote from: Carrington on August 05, 2013, 11:29:50 pmI would like to work on this, but nobody seems interested in doing a JTAG dump of fw nor helping me get some working binaries of the blackfin IDA parts (cybernet likely has them, I can't compile them by instruction, the closest I got was with VS2008 but the resulting binaries didn't work). There may be a menu or config file to set this but without being able to work with the fw, I can't do shit.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 12:44:07 am
content: Quote from: true on August 06, 2013, 12:30:02 amNot stored in the FRAM?I can't do the dump via JTAG, becasue I don't have the equipment for do it.

author: true
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 04:34:20 am
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 06, 2013, 12:44:07 amNo; probably in the NAND.Figuring out anything else hidden needs a good dump

author: bluesmoke
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 07:09:00 am
content: Then serial must be in nand. Studio25 wrote 0's and ff to the fram and it didn't change the serial.Unfortunately I don't have the tools to do a jtag dump either. I would love to get my serial back too!

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 04:43:17 pm
content: This is very interesting, it reminds me to the "jumpers" of the DS4000, but it is less obvious.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 05:12:17 pm
content: DS2000 Memory.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 05:19:45 pm
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 06, 2013, 04:43:17 pmI browsed my pictures and found a little bit better one, you can see clearly that it is 2 rows and the jumpers are smd (resistors?)

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 05:27:01 pm
content: Ha ha, they are not in the same position. What the hell change this?

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 05:29:58 pm
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 06, 2013, 05:27:01 pmThat's the whole idea behind jumpers isn't it?

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 05:33:11 pm
content: "Elementary My Dear Watson"No one has noticed this before?Have more pictures from other DS2000s would be nice.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 05:59:31 pm
content: I see, but where is the trick? I mean, what did you do?

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 06:03:42 pm
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 06, 2013, 05:59:31 pmSCPI command: CHAN1:IMP FIFTY for 50 Ohm and CHAN1:IMP OMEG for 1 Meg.Or if you prefer the other channel: CHAN2: ...Now to enable it on the front panel, that is another story of course.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 06:08:19 pm
content: With future versions of firmware, I guess you could do it from the front panel as well.I think that here is stored the serial number:† A3P015 and A3P030 devices do not support this feature.http://www.microsemi.com/products/fpga-soc/fpga/proasic3-e#design-resourceshttp://www.actel.com/documents/PA3_DS.pdfI need a JTAG, but I have no desire to go crazy looking for the best value for money for a JTAG.Any recommendation, please send me a PM, thanks.

author: Mr Simpleton
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 10:12:04 pm
content: Paul, where did you get your scope from??When I asked my supplier why I got a rev 1, he said Rigol.eu did not have any v2 in stock and did not know when it would ship!Seems do-able to stuff a relay and resistor at the input, but what circuit do the switching??Not having 50 ohm on my new scope is like have a pebble in my shoeBut honestly could just do as good with a 50 ohm feed thru load.

author: JimmyMz
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 11:16:44 pm
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 06, 2013, 06:08:19 pmhttp://www.amontec.com/jtagkey-tiny.shtml

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2013, 11:23:02 pm
content: JimmyMz: Thanks for the recommendation.

author: Gallymimus
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2013, 04:28:17 am
content: Quote from: Mr Simpleton on August 06, 2013, 10:12:04 pmSeriously just buy 50 ohm terminators. Sure it sucks but it's hardly a problem.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2013, 07:10:35 am
content: Quote from: Mr Simpleton on August 06, 2013, 10:12:04 pmI bought it locally on July 30, when I called them they said they just had a new shipment in. The sticker on the box says it was shipped from Rigol EU in Germany on the 25th.

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 18, 2013, 07:45:05 pm
content: PA0PBZ,Are you able to measure the actual input impedance of the V2.0 hardware in 50 ohm mode, using a VNA or some other suitable tool, please?The original input is 1M || 16pF, and if they just slapped the 50 ohm across the input, then the 16 pF may still be there. That would create a rather wonky impedance mismatch above 50 MHz or so, not good in many situations.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2013, 12:15:20 pm
content: Unfortunately I don't have a VNA, only a scalar one. But I can do a return loss on my SA, see the attachment.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2013, 01:11:47 pm
content: Ugh. Do I spot CapXon on that power supply?I have pulled and replaced hundreds of those absolutely abysmal capacitors.EPCOS = So-soCapXon = TerribleWhy Rigol, why? Clearly no care to keep instruments functioning long past the warranty period.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2013, 01:24:06 pm
content: tom66: What brand do you recommend for replace them?

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2013, 02:24:26 pm
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on August 19, 2013, 12:15:20 pmThanks, that should do nicely.However, if my algebra isn't completely off, then it very much looks like Rigol simply connects a 50 ohm resistor across the input, as you would expect. If we assume the real parts of the load and source impedances are both 50 ohm, and with no reactances in the source impedance, then I get an input impedance of about 50 -j29 ohm at 300MHz. That is equivalent to 50 ohm || 18 pF.That would make it a bit of a challenge to make a 'flat' active probe design, good to 200 MHz. Hmm, maybe I should buy aDS2072DS2202 and try to make one...

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2013, 02:30:18 pm
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 19, 2013, 01:24:06 pmAny of Panasonic (FR, FM, FC), Rubycon (YXF, ZLH, ZLJ, ZLK), Nichicon (PW, PM), United Chemicon (KY).From best to very good.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2013, 02:30:28 pm
content: Yeah, from what I see on the frontend pcb it's just a relay switching the 50 ohm resistor across the input, so your math is probably ok. But please keep in mind that it is not possible to switch the input to 50 ohm using the channel menu on the scope, it is not functional yet so who knows what they are up to.And any excuse to buy one of these will do

author: Wim13
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2013, 04:16:20 pm
content: Well on hardware version 1.01, i can switch it on, 50 ohm, BUT is not there,input measure still 1 Mohm....

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2013, 07:49:30 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on August 19, 2013, 02:30:18 pmThanks, I take note.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 04:39:23 pm
content: Anyone happen to know if HW 2 is out in the US yet, or is that what they're referring to as the 2000A series?

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 04:49:00 pm
content: Quote from: staze on August 21, 2013, 04:39:23 pmYes, I think. And far as I know DS2000A=DS2000

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 04:58:15 pm
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 21, 2013, 04:49:00 pmOkay. At least as far as tequipment.net is concerned, they're not available in the states yet (late October). =/ Boo!

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 06:27:56 pm
content: Is the only major feature the 50 ohm terminator? Any improvements to things like noise floor?

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 07:15:27 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on August 21, 2013, 06:27:56 pmNoise floor measurements did not reveal any difference, and even the 50 ohm terminator is not accessible in the normal (menu) way, so I'd say there is no difference at all between the hardware versions for the user. Inside it is a different story, apart from the terminator there is room for the LA and FG on the pcb, so there will probably be S and D models sometime in the future.

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 07:18:50 pm
content: Yes, but if you can choose Which you want? 1.0 or 2.0?Now, I do not know, but who knows in the future.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 07:41:17 pm
content: But from what I've seen, the LA is a large FPGA+buffers, not easily modded in later, and the FG probably won't be a user-accessible add on. So I can't see any difference myself?

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2013, 07:47:46 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on August 21, 2013, 07:41:17 pmAnd how about the new routing on the PCB or the new arrangement of components and small parts that have been added or removed.Devil is in the details.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2013, 12:53:16 am
content: Where will the function generator be located?? Will there be an added PCB?

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2013, 03:46:23 am
content: So, anyone have a detailed list of what actually changed? I see the 50R termination option, and seemingly a header for an LA... anything else?Trying to figure out if I should just buy a 2072 now, or wait for the rev 2. I do plan to "hack" it.Thanks!

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2013, 10:53:36 am
content: Quote from: staze on August 26, 2013, 03:46:23 am"Anyone have a detailed list of what actually changed?" Please, read the full topic.You can not wait. -> Go for the DS2000. -> You might regret. -> Maybe.You can wait. -> For some time you can choose. ->DS2000 can be expanded in the future. -> NO. -> You might regret. -> Maybe.DS2000A can be expanded in the future. -> Maybe only the AWG, not the LA. -> If it is not possible. -> You tried.DS2000 ->DS2000A -> HW improved. -> More than probable.DS2000 can be hacked. -> Yes.DS2000A can be hacked. ->Yes.Not yet

author: flolic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2013, 11:37:46 am
content: DS2000A has a potential for eventual future hardware upgrades. Other than that it's the same.I ordered old hardware version few days ago and expecting it to arrive in a day or two. I don't need LA and AWG.I didn't want to wait for a new version.Quote from: Carrington on August 26, 2013, 10:53:36 amThat's the real question. Is it improvement or cost cutting?

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2013, 12:45:29 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on August 19, 2013, 01:11:47 pmQuoteI am afraid ofcost cutting.

author: arvidj
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2013, 06:30:07 pm
content: Just a data point ...Ordered a DS2072 from Tequipmentl.net on 8/29/2013 and was told a 3 week wait.It arrived this morning, 9/15/2013.After unpacking it ...Serial: DS2A15340XXXXSoftware version: 00.01.01Hardware version: 2.0After doing the [Trigger menu][System Info] it now says ...Serial: DS2A15340XXXXSoftware version: 00.01.01.00.02Hardware version: 1.0.2.0.0FPGA version:SPU 03.01.05WPU 00.06.05CCU 12.29.00MCU 00.05Installed OptionsTRIGGER Windows Trial Version 2076MinuteNthEdge Trial Version 2076MinuteHDTV Trial Version 2076MinuteDelay Trial Version 2076MinuteTimeout Trial Version 2076MinuteDur Trial Version 2076MinuteUSB Trial Version 2076MinuteDECODE RS232 Trial Version 2076MinuteSPI Trial Version 2076MinuteI2C Trial Version 2076MinuteMEM_DEPTH 56M/28M Trial Version 2076MinuteAnd after the adjustment:Installed OptionsTRIGGER Windows Official VersionNthEdge Official VersionHDTV Official VersionDelay Official VersionTimeout Official VersionDur Official VersionUSB Official VersionDECODE RS232 Official VersionSPI Official VersionI2C Official VersionMEM_DEPTH 56M/28M Official VersionBANDWIDTH 100M Bandwidth Official VersionBANDWIDTH 200M Bandwidth Official VersionI want to thank everyone that has worked so hard to make this possible

author: staze
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timestamp: September 16, 2013, 06:34:38 pm
content: Quote from: arvidj on September 16, 2013, 06:30:07 pmWell this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2013, 07:11:26 pm
content: Quote from: arvidj on September 16, 2013, 06:30:07 pmWhat is "Dur"? Never heard of it!Ok is duration, sorry. Identify a trigger condition by looking for the duration of a specified pattern.

author: arvidj
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2013, 08:02:14 pm
content: Quote from: staze on September 16, 2013, 06:34:38 pmYes, DSA9 and the Windows 2.0b1 version of the generator.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2013, 08:09:00 pm
content: Quote from: arvidj on September 16, 2013, 08:02:14 pmAwesomesauce. Thanks!

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2013, 06:22:19 am
content: Sorry, just confirming since Rigen 2b1 seems to want me to use DSAZ rather than DSA9. You used DSA9, or DSAZ?

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2013, 12:54:41 am
content: Just used Rigen 2b1 with DSAZ and it worked perfectly. Serial number intact, shows as a DS2202 now, all options installed.Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.

author: arvidj
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2013, 02:38:06 pm
content: Quote from: arvidj on September 16, 2013, 08:02:14 pmI see that DSAZ is recommended as only turns on DS2202 and 200MHz.DSA9 is not recommended as it turns on both DS2102 and DS2202 plus both 100MHz and 200MHz.Does anyone know what issues I can expect by having used DSA9 and having "everything" turned on?And the obvious follow on question ... How would I change it to DSAZ? The obvious answer ... "Generate a new key for DSAZ and enter it." did not appear make any difference to what was displayed in the options as both "BANDWIDTH 100M Bandwidth" and "BANDWIDTH 200M Bandwidth" are displayed. I also tried a key for DSAA in an effort to set it back to a plain Jane 2072 and nothing happened. I am left with the impression that "you can't easily go back".It seems to have gotten the model part right as the System Info shows "Model: DS2202".

author: monstr
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 24, 2013, 03:46:38 pm
content: Quote from: staze on September 20, 2013, 12:54:41 amHi!Warning to users with Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.I think all of the functions are open except for proper operation 56mb.Up to 14/7 options correctly, 56/28 - is not correct.In auto mode 56/28 no picks. In manual mode, recording only two frames.Back in 2072 does not work.Excuse my English, translated by Google translator.

author: Teneyes
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2013, 06:37:57 pm
content: Quote from: monstr on September 24, 2013, 03:46:38 pm@ MonstrYou may wish to check the TableEDIT 4in this posthttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg158659/#msg15865956Mpts ,one Channel only

author: monstr
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 24, 2013, 08:26:57 pm
content: QuoteThank you, after I re-read, it is now clear.Then again, does not correspond.Edit5:The device does not want to write long sweep.This is the norm, or feature HW ver 2?AND 'Samples' option only "Real Time" mode.Sorry for the novice questions.

author: Teneyes
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2013, 11:13:09 pm
content: Quote from: monstr on September 24, 2013, 08:26:57 pmGood questionYes, In Section 10-3 in the manual states the limits for recordingIs this the limit,3. IntervalSet the time interval between the frames in waveform record and the range available isfrom 100 ns to 10 s.But If you set to 199ms/dev Record will work

author: monstr
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 25, 2013, 07:11:14 am
content: Thank you very much!This is my first digital oscilloscope, I am learning to understand its capabilities.Good luck!

author: monstr
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 11:40:17 am
content: Hi!Again, the question arose.In the photo measurement PCI_CLK 33MHz laptop.One point of measurement, but different bandwidth limit (BW Limit).Testimony is not reliable at the range above 20MHz - BW Limit.Any channel, either probe (RP3300A).Am I doing something wrong or is the problem of the input block?Or is it a consequence of updating the program in 2072 to 2202?

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 11:56:45 am
content: I don't really see a problem with the scope here.A) The waveform in the first 2 pictures looks distorted but that is no surprise looking at where your ground connection is, it should be as short as possible and as close to the probe pin as possible. Look at these little springs you can slide over the probe.B) The waveform with 20Mhz bandwidth looks better because you filter out the higher frequencies: looking at the top of the waveform in the first picture the extra 'wave' looks like 10ns duration -> 100Mhz.

author: monstr
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 12:09:29 pm
content: Thank you for your response PA0PBZ.But unfortunately the change point of mass does not affect the reading.As expected, since the mass of laptops is present throughout the system board as one of the layers of a multilayer PCB.I suspect that the digital input filter was originally set to range up to 70 MHz, and beyond it is working no correctly.Maybe I'm wrong and this is a common mistake inexperienced users ...If possible, please make sure that someone in their own terms.Or please select another possible for my mistakes.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 12:34:25 pm
content: Watch this:

author: monstr
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 23, 2013, 01:39:32 pm
content: Thank you, I get it .....

author: Kobus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2013, 08:38:18 am
content: PA0PBZ mentioned the springs that came with the DS2000 probes.I've been wondering how they are supposed to be used.What situations are they designed for ?

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2013, 08:48:07 am
content: Quote from: Kobus on November 01, 2013, 08:38:18 amPlease watch the youtube I posted above, I could not explain it any better than that.But in short, it is to minimize the length of the earth path of the probe.

author: Digital Corpus
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2013, 10:58:49 pm
content: Quote from: Carrington on August 05, 2013, 09:52:48 amMy results are slightly worse than yours, ~2mV delta for both tests, though I've entered a DSHH key for 300 MHz. I have a trigger hat just like yours too. I have screens if you want to see.

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2013, 03:19:48 am
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on October 23, 2013, 12:34:25 pmDoes anyone have any favorite probes, or probe accessory kits, that provide a good flexible set of short length ground attachments? Could be new or used. Doesn't need to be super high bandwidth (something suitable for the DS2072). Thanks

author: AintBigAintClever
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2021, 04:12:57 pm
content: This is a good a place for this info as any. I've just had to repair my DS2072A-S and needed to probe these out.Rigol LPS-SMPS80Voltages with load connected(viewed from wire end of plug, or looking down at the PCB, latch is adjacent to pin 11)VoltageColourPinPinColourVoltageGroundBlack81BlackGround-20.25VGrey92Orange/Power On+7.5VYellow103Yellow+7.5V+5V SBWhite114Green-7.8V+17.5VBlue125Brown--+5.5VRed136Red+5.5VGroundBlack147BlackGroundDS2000 FGBoard Function Generator Daughterboard Connector(pin 1 closest to centre of motherboard)VoltagePinPinVoltageGround12+5.5VGround34+5.5V56789101112Ground1314-7.8VGround1516+7.5VGround1718-20.25VGround1920+17.5V

author: MetalHead
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2025, 08:51:15 am
content: Hello! I bought used rigol mso2202a but someone removed the smps. I want to check whether this scope will ever boot up. Following the scheme of voltages going into the scope I managed to turn on the lights on front. But the screen is still black and no response. Could someone explain what is 5v SB voltage. Maybe after I press the turn on button some voltages should get higher.. another question is the power button. Does it only send signal to smps to start or it turns on the chip. And final qustion. There is a big chip labeled Rigol, likely ADC for two channels. And it gets quite hot 45-50C, drawing 1A. Is that ok, or it's shorted?