DC Microgrid Bus Design Logic Assistance - Page 1
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author: JohnGalt1717
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 15, 2021, 09:25:33 pm
content: So for various reasons I'm designing a DC microgrid that: (TLDR at the bottom in bold)1. Has PV in of MPPT optimized power (from optimizers on every panel with emergency shut off per US NEC). Every string is series together and then I'm using a GanFET-based freewheeling half-bridge DC/DC boost/buck in buck mode (since the Bus will always be less than the Solar if the solar is on at all but it could go boost if needed). This generates stable 48VDC power (exactly 48VDC power which is monitored by the PWM controller to ensure that it stays stable and adjusts the duty cycle accordingly)2. AC Grid 240V in that may or may not be there depending on usage (Think RV) and uses a patented algorithm that I've designed to figure out when it should engage that and when it doesn't need to and there will be sufficient power using predictive analytics, a little AI and a lot of sensors and weather data. It uses a mosfet rectified bridge design with positive biased caps and then uses the same topology as #1 to step down the ~240VDC that is produced with low loss to 48VDC exact power.3. There is a 48VDC Nominal LiFePO4 battery as well that can either be charged or discharged based on demand on the microgrid. (This is the subject of this post, I'll get to how it works below)4. There are are a few legacy 12VDC items that are on a buck similar to #1's above that steps down for those 12VDC.5. There is a small inverter that literally is only used for a blow dryer because I haven't had time to gut one and make it run off DC Power. (and if there is AC power available, it runs direct to eliminate the losses)6. All other loads are 48VDC (eg custom 48VDC heat pump that does AC/Heat + hot water (with super deheater), USB C 4 240V)So, all of the other power sources are straight forward. The logic is a little difficult but basically it works like this:1. If solar > total current draw, then charge battery2. If solar = total current draw, then nothing else.3. If solar < total current draw, then battery picks up the rest of the current draw unless it's below a certain threshold or there are other reasons to do with the algorithm that it should be getting it from AC.4. Use AC if all else fails per the algorithm.The Microgrid significantly expands the life span of the LiFePO4 batteries because instead of charging/discharging on loads constantly because the MPPT charge controller is dumping into the battery and then an inverter is extracting from the battery, the inverter very often is skipping the battery entirely which significantly reduces the total number of cycles on the battery.It also averages out with this design at about 97% efficiency across the system as long as you ignore the inverter for the hair dryer. (Yes I tore apart the microwave and created a boost converter to jack the voltage from 48VDC to the required, and gutted the rectifier in the stove and power it directly over 48VDC. The hair dryer is more wife not wanting me to screw with her hair dryer.)And after some analysis and looking at how passive and active balancers work on LifePO4 batteries I have realized that the current brute force method is resulting in a significantly shorter life span that I think I can make work because of how the DC Microgrid works with net amps. Basically, with a standard BMS, it passively drains overvoltage to cells that are under voltage. With Active balancers this micro cycling is MUCH worse. I've verified this with a battery chemist.So, the battery is always in one of 2 discrete modes: Charging OR discharging. There is no passive loading or floating on the battery at all in the DC Microgrid. It's either contributing current or it isn't and it's semi-isolated (it isn't a full bridge, so it isn't isolated in the traditional sense because it isn't broken apart by a transformer only an inductor) because of the DC/DC converter that ensures that 48VDC is going out to the bus to contribute in parallel to the amperage.What I'd like to do is create a solid state circuit using high amperage FETs and connecting the batteries separately. And yes, I know that if you were to have them in series and try and charge from the same source in parallel, they'd short and there is no way around that which is what got us these balancing BMSes in the first place. But because the battery is either charging or discharging, this isn't really an issue for me because I've designed a circuit that when charging, the batteries are separated and effectively in parallel. The charging is always by definition balanced and using FETs any given battery can be turned off so that the amperage is shared with the remaining batteries that are still in parallel. A discrete CC/CV 2.5 - 3.5 Volt charger that has a DC/DC buck from the microgrid that I've built with high amperage does the work.When the battery needs to go into discharge, different FETs close and the charging ones disconnect, and it creates the series of the batteries (because the duty cycle is too high for long term life to go DC/DC on 3.2V to 48VDC and this is just a POC, ultimately this will be a 380VDC microgrid with a 48VDC low voltage rail like the 12VDC in this POC). This series is then DC/DC Buck/Boosted as needed.While this results in more small wires to each battery (2x) because there is a positive and negative it doesn't have significantly more componentry other than the extra buck/boost which is negligible cost in the design because an Active Balancer like the JK BMS has 2 FETs per cell which mine has 4 per cell (2 N-Channels per, controlled by a 2-way driver ic).TLDR:I'm trying to figure out without resorting to complex monitoring of each input source and output whether the battery needs to be in charging or discharging mode. I.e. it's in charging when the net current > 0 and discharging if net current < 0. (well, more like a few amps above 0 so that I don't have cycling of the circuit, but you get the idea).So how can I, at the battery connection to the microgrid, determine what the amperage is? Or is there no way to do this, and I have to put an current sense on the microgrid out (PITA because it's in a star configuration with the sources) and then keep track of the current from the sources and total them up to do this?I'm trying to keep this discrete. I.e. The battery has its own PCB with micro controller, the solar its own, the AC its own. They talk to each other with I2C orchestrated using the equivalent of a Raspberry Pi, but that's because the micro controller for the AC power isn't smart enough to process the algorithm for if the AC power should be involved or not and the PI also does other things like providing the UI etc. I'm trying to avoid having Yet Another PCB and Micro controller and keep the Star pattern for sources and drains.Thanks!

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2021, 12:48:03 am
content: What's wrong with using the battery voltage, or state of charge, as the state variable? If it's maintained at whatever float voltage it is, it's not cycling at all, it's just held at full (whatever level "100%" is defined as; it doesn't need to be the full rated 3.5V/cell, or could be raised momentarily to reach full charge, then left to idle at a lower setpoint), while the charger and other sources power the loads. No current flows through the battery when its terminal is held at the open circuit voltage. The battery only cycles when its voltage changes.Tim

author: boB
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2021, 01:37:28 am
content: Not exactly sure of what you mean but using high current FETs to switch batteries ? Do you mean to remove batteries and then re-insert them into the battery string when needed ? If so, that will more than likely un-balance the batteries even more.Like Tim said, you can use the voltage of the batteries to pretty much tell what the SOC is but that may also depend on the current through them at the time. More current draw, more drag on the batteries which will affect the reading. Also if charging, goes the other way.boB

author: JohnGalt1717
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 21, 2021, 12:47:45 pm
content: Sorry I didn't respond sooner, I didn't get notifications. Figuring out why.So, the reason for doing this is that I'm also designing a charging system that doesn't use balancing and instead, uses MosFETs to put the unit on parallel when charging. When discharging, the MosFets in single pole double throw, will switch and create the series battery which will then use a half-bridge synchronous boost/buck to supply the DC Grid constant power so that the boost/buck has to work the least and is most efficient.So the battery won't be in a float mode per say ever. There will either be demand from the Grid that it is powering, no demand nor excess from the grid (i.e. battery disconnected) or excess from the DC Grid in which case it will charge if the battery needs it.Using some algorithms I've designed, I've cut down charge cycles per year (total full charges, not micros) by over 40% over a passive BMS balancer and more for active balancers while ensuring that the battery is always balanced and about the same number of parts to make it happen as one of the new active BMSes without the downsides all of which is enabled by the use of a DC Grid. Of course a 40% decrease in charge cycles means you can make your batteries last longer OR discharge them more. I.e. you can go to 90% DoD on LiFePO4 instead of 80% and get the same cycle life.But to make this happen, I have to come up with a way of knowing, with the battery in all 3 states what the draw on the DC Grid is versus the supply to the DC Grid so that I know when to cut in/out the battery.(Note that this system is also designed to be AC tied as backup, so part of the algorithms is weather-based with forcasting and usage patterns along with electricity cost at time of day, to determine when it makes sense to charge the battery and/or supplement the DC grid with power from the AC Grid (using a MosFET-based rectifier with synchronous half-bridge which is ultra-efficient too. Ultimately, EVs and bitcoin miners will also be added to the mix to intelligently load the system and create energy sinks if there is excess power available from the solar inputs. Note I didn't say AC Grid tie supply, because it's more profitable to mine bitcoin than it is to sell back into the grid in all but 1 state in the US where I live.)

author: boB
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2022, 10:42:51 pm
content: I would use DC current sense for the DC (shunt or whatever) and a current transformer (CT) for the AC part.

author: viperidae
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2022, 11:15:36 pm
content: If you switch from series to parallel when charging, any imbalance is going to result in potentially large current flow between cells.Something to take into account I guess.