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author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2025, 04:33:29 pm
content: Why are you seeing thread about a messenger in electronics forum? Because if you search entire forum for telegram, you get 3 pages of hits, 50 results per page. That means people here use it.If this is TLDR for you, in short, DO NOT use telegram messenger.If you have telegram messenger installed know that everything you type is recorded.If you don't have it installed, don't install it on your own number.If you want to use it still, after you read this, I'd give you some safety tips and tricks.*What I write here is going to explain a lot to some of you*Telegram messenger is basically dark web brought to you in consumable form. No sane hacker is going to agree with my statement, because everything you type is send to the cloud, and stored there. But that's what it markets as. You have crypto currency capabilities, you can make crypto transactions inTON. You have all the illicit material, from unmentionable to news brought to you in any form and shape from any point of view. People think they can remain anonymous on telegram.Children.. FSB has full access to everything you type in private messages, public and private groups, even to things you have deleted. They know your GPS location and they have access to your contacts. Your contacts is your finger print, every person has different contacts. That's not to mention your IMEI and other credentials of your phone.Let's say you've typed something in private group, and then deleted your account. Well, FSB has a record of what you've typed. Exhibit 1 -https://ibb.co/ZzDdQV3P- message from deleted account, from deleted private group. (Group black square, used to sell illicit substances)Let that sink into you, message from deleted account, which was typed in deleted private group.FSB is similar to CIA, MI6 and MOSSAD, just to name a few. It's an intelligence service. Telegram is a Russian messenger, even thoughwikipediawould lead you to believe it's British, Dubaithese or whatever. Several years agothere was news articles in Russia about how Kremlin had problems with telegram, everyone was afraid telegram would stop working in Russia. However, that news just died, everybody was left wondering what happened, because after this news telegram continued working, and everybody stopped talking about it.I had my fair share of experiences in telegram with FSB agents, so I can share a thing or two with you. Most of you might have come across them as well, however, most remain professional. I had a luck to deal with unprofessional agent who decided to toy with me and screw around, exposing his real identity in the process.My story begins about a year ago or a little bit more. My Russian number, my primary number I use everywhere, my number that is tied to my government identity ongosuslugi, gets banned on telegram after I made a few comments. What I wrote I wouldn't classify as anti-Russian per say. Those were simple comments of disgust about execution of unarmed ukranian group, which were pow's and were cooperating. You might remember that video, guy is laying on the snow, smoking a cigarette, cooperating, giving information. Anyway, in Russia anything against Russian government or army is considered section280.3, public actions to discredit Russian armed forces. It doesn't really matter if you were joking or what you said wasn't enough, majority of people support this garbage, and people in control are eager to send anyone to "Siberia" for whatever little delinquency. When they can't, but they want to, they'd censor you and you'd have no means of appeal. I got my phone number banned from telegram. It was immediate. I made those comments, my telegram closed. I tried to re-register, my phone number was banned. I still wear scars from that encounter, user name that I used at that moment is still unavailable. It's censored.Since then, I've used telegram from several other numbers. I always had a feeling somebody was watching me. Because from time to time I'd get a comment thrown my way in public groups, from persons with random names, comments that can only make person who knows me not only in personal life, but also reads me in many different groups. Plus my account would never last long, I'd always get banned or limited, and we're not talking about banned from a group, telegram wide banned. Even though I didn't do anything. Like literally nothing. I even used telegram from brand new phone, with brand new number, not registered to me, still got banned. How is that possible? Looking back at it in retrospect, most likely it was a combination of contacts signature and GPS location. GPS location would spark interest in me, and set of contacts would confirm my identity. As simple as that.Being banned and/or limited telegram wide is a common theme. If you come across it, YES there are instances of spam, but if you didn't do anything, think what groups you visited and what you typed. Because chances are you are banned for ideological reasoning. Sending appeals through spambot, appeals to the person that banned you in the first place. Either do so that he or she forgets you, and they'd have notes, or appeal in such a way that they better unban or unrestrict you. But I digress here.This past June 26 or so, I had my account resitricted, for no appearant reason. Again, I didn't do nothing! I swear! So I tried registering using my Russian number, that one that got banned. I was registering from a brand new phone, with brand new geolocation, I had different contacts because I archived my Russian contacts, and I had new U.S. contacts, and guess what, it let me register! This time around asking me for e-mail for some reason. With this new account I was mad at everyone who displayed even the littlest antipathy towards me, I'd put people like that into black list. Thinking people are reporting me for spam, that's why I'm getting limited all the time. In total I had over 300 folks in my black list.Not a week goes by, I get message from completely anonymous account. Hello, please don't delete or block me. I've been watching you all this time, and reading all your messages. The only reason I've spared you is because you are for Russia! You always talk positive about Russia. Blah blah blah. And he attaches a video, here is picture from that video.Video of a person, I never known or seen, it first begins when he rotates his camera towards the passenger side window, shows me what is outside window, and then shows me what is behind his car, and then he shows me the bird. Location is city ofDagomyscenter somewhere. I don't think location is important, because it don't tell me anything.Full video.QuoteI have no idea who he is. I never dealt with this person in real life. If I had, I'd remember his face. So I report his message as spam and delete it for both of us, add him to black list, and I do save the video. Then I rejoin all the groups I'm usually part of, and this one group I'm usually not part of. By chance, someone in chat gave a link to another group, which I followed, and kind of found a person who looks similar.Similar but not the same. Avatar has these gangsta glasses, so I remove them using Ai. I confronted, and in return got ridiculer. So I decide to drop that video into that group. It immediately gets deleted and admin warns me. Ehh. Don't. Not a general warning. But specific. Don't. All this time I get bites thrown at me in different groups from different accounts, obviously from a person who knows me and reads me. Again, I recognize the person by the way he speaks. So, from a completely new account, so that I don't get banned (because at this point I do realize that person has capability to ban right there on the spot), I send this video to editors of that channel. Almost immediately my telegram closes, I try to re-register, and the number is banned. At this moment I know I'm barking at the correct tree.I begin to study this guy. While I'm at it, I get terroristic threats send to me via another anonymous account.As far the subject of this threat is concerned, it doesn't matter what this message reads, it's a terroristic threat, if you want to read it, drop it into your Windows Copilot and ask to translate the entire thing into English, or just drop it there and don't give any instructions, Ai is going to let you know what it is. I'm providing this little bit so that you realize what kind of people you dealing with, and hopefully never use telegram, and if you are using it, hopefully you delete it.As I study this guy, I nail him down to many user names, but one in particular is the one he engages in real life with, it is this one Ром Штайн, user id 1601373198. It is anonymous user name. If you pull up a bot search for it, you won't get a number. That means the guy send his passport credentials to FSB and they blocked information about him. However, because he wasn't careful in his previous online life, before he went incognito, I was able to get his real name. Real name is Fedor Yarovoy, age 46. He does live in city of Dagomys. He works for FSB.He might be an FSB agent, and his digital hoofprint is almost flawless. But his previous life caught up to him in no time. He did leave a few reviews here and there, that's why I was able to trace him. Going after me, he himself barked up a wrong tree, not realizing his actions are going to come back to him from many different directions. You see, I used to be part of GNAA and cDc long long time ago, and I kind of know what I'm doing. I just had no reason to look for anyone, nor is it my interest. But his actions gave me plenty of motivation. Frankly, going into this project, I never thought I was dealing with an FSB agent. Maximum I thought a police officer. I thought that I have an enemy on my hands, who is secretly talking bad about me behind my back, who perhaps works as a police officer. I expected to find relative of a person who had criminal case against me, which I did beat in court. I thought they had a relative that works as a police officer. But instead I uncovered a completely unrelated person who works for an intelligence organization.What the hell does FSB wants from me? I believe answer to that is most likely multifaceted. Perhaps at first I was kind of loud with my views, which didn't directly correlate with official views, so I might have sparked their interest and they might have studied me. My thought patterns are borderline anti-Russian. I love Russia, but I also love U.S. constitution. What Putin does to liberties is a major cringe for me. My ideal Russia has U.S. constitution. I guess that was enough for them to get interested. As time went by, I changed my location, immigrated to United States. Who knows, perhaps that was their attempt to recruit me. Most likely though, we have an unprofessional idiot on our hands who loves to screw around. Perhaps he screws around with different people, and gets away with it due to their intelligence. But all actions have consequences, I caught him.Digging deeper into this bunny hole, I found many more strange user names. Apparently FSB often writes anti-Russian things themselves, then catches whoever agrees with them. Then perhaps gets them banned.There are plenty of news online, on that very telegram messenger, where police do a drug bust or catch someone who was suppose to burn something down or blow something up. It's always the same, they catch the guy who wanted to do it, and who has all the evidence with him. They never catch the organizers. This leads me to believe there are no organizers. These people are being bated and go for it and pay for it with their freedom, in same cases with their lives, because I remember a news or two of persons being liquidated.Keep what I say here in mind, next time you use telegram. It's dangerous. It's not what you think it is. If you get banned or limited, for no apparent reason, and they say you were spamming -- NOT! Most likely there is a reason you got banned. Most likely it has to do with what kind of thoughts you spreading, where you write, what you visit. One sure way to be safe is to be pro Putin, and pro Kremlin, any deviation from that narrative means you're a spammer, and you could get limited or banned, and in extreme cases your phone number could be banned.While I was researching we were in the middle of the news about calls through telegram and whatsapp being banned in Russia. Apparently due to the fact that voip is used during drone strikes. They were pushing another messenger,national messenger MAX, which you could only get with Russian or Belarus number, and you have to havegosuslugi. In other words they know who you are and if you get banned you can't just create another account. Perfect censorship and thought control. I hurried up and install it on my iPhone and also on my computer. That's when that video with this guy got lost. It was on my desktop, and it was missing, I couldn't find it. It was strange to say the least. No I couldn't have deleted it. Anyway, video was saved in my backup, that's why I still have it. I thought this is an interesting piece of information I'd share with you.To recap. Telegram is controlled by Russian intelligence service. They have full access to your GPS location and your contacts among other identificators of your device. They have full record of what you type in public and private groups and in private messages. They can pull up your history even if you delete your messages and/or your account.I'm leaving you with pictures of his actual fingers.I studied his fingers really closely. Also I'd leave you with what he said about me.QuoteQuoteYou know. Russia does a lot of things to at all costs shoot itself in the balls. I, for some reason, rememberBald and Bankrupt, he did more for Russian than perhaps Olympics and FIFA Championship combined, yet he was banned and deported. It's a shame, because it's not a band country.P.S. This last time I had two telegram numbers, my primary Russian number and my primary U.S. number. As I got closer to the culmination of my side project, both got limited, can't message anyone, can't participate in public groups.Sending appeals results in nothing, again, because you are appealing to an FSB agent that banned you in the first place. I did try to purchase stars and give gifts to both accounts, thinking spending money will solve my situation, and when I clicked on gift stars to a friend, I got two frequency contacts suggested. One was Валькирия, Valkyria on English, the other one was Zjay Blackout. I've just seen them once during that gift process, never sense. I'm thinking those are bots used to watch what I type. But I'm not sure.P.S.S. I since solved both of limitations on my accounts by appealing to spambot with this -- "ФСБ-шник под ником Ром Штайн 1601373198 настоящее имя Федор Яровой читал все мои сообщения во всех группах, и ограничил мой аккаунт. Хотя я ничего не делал. Мы будем делать YouTub видео про то как у ФСБ есть полный доступ к телеграм. Советую вам снять ограничения." or on English, "FSB agent with nick and id number real name Fedor Yarovoy read all my messages in all groups, and limited my account. Even though I didn't do anything. We are going to make a YouTube video about how FSB has full access to telegram. I suggest you lift the ban."This had effect of a magic spell, both accounts unbanned immediately.

author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2025, 05:29:11 pm
content: How to stay anonymous on telegram? Well, you can't.Those cool FSB guys has this much information about them on telegramBut they are not private, firstly FSB knows everything about them, secondlycDcknows everything about them, and only God knows who else.Average person would have this much information about themYour phone number along with any name changes, account deletes, etc.That's a lot. If person without access to government databases can get it all out of nothing, imagine how quickly you can be located with that much information. Also, keep in mind this is all public information, what they have available there for reading all your deleted stuff is unknown. But we do know they can read all your deleted messages and ban you system wide.Still, we can separate ourselves from our main identity.What you need to do is untie your online identity from your main real life identity. Use a phone number that can't be traced to you. This app lets you click on ads about 300 times to get registration code via SMShttps://apps.apple.com/us/app/code-by-sms-receive-online/id6738870339Telegram account with such a number would be almost untraceable to you. Almost, because if you got it from your apple ID, you can be located, so ideally you would want a new phone that you paid cash for, and new Apple ID and your main SIM card should also be anonymous or use public WiFi.Also, your contacts fingerprint should not identify you. You should have legitimate contacts in geolocation you are assuming identity in. No contacts is suspecious. Have some contacts.Finally, your geolocation should not be your home, because they can see your GPS coordinates. There is a version of telegram that can spoof geolocationhttps://tutuipa.com/telegram/use it.With this, you can be somewhat safe. But again, it takes very little information to get a lot of information about you. A tongue slip here and there.Why use it thought? I prefer than nobody use it, and it gets deleted out of App Store and Google Play, but I do use it myself. Very limited censorship and its illecity allows for sharing of some great content and information. For example lots of information on BIOS and motherboard schematicshttps://t.me/addlist/FKbLmoCI2j80MGNialso some great info on walkie talkieshttps://t.me/addlist/YJiKxFG7uPphNzQ6If you going to use it, make sure not to type anything. Just read. Avoid going to Russian and Ukranian groups. Avoid doing anything political. Ban can come to you at any moment for any reason, you wouldn't know what someone decided on you. Just know that you could be read at anytime.Now. Another aspect here, is code safety. Although telegram is open source, what you install from App Store or Google Play or from official telegram website might not be entirely same as what you could build from github. Code could have access to certain parts of your operating system. So treat telegram as malicious software, that's on top of the fact that it is controlled by foreign intelligence services.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2025, 08:57:23 pm
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 20, 2025, 04:33:29 pmSounds to me like the sponsored content on Facebook with fake news where they host and impersonate news websites under some random domain name they can get hold of.

author: Buriedcode
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2025, 10:07:34 pm
content: So a social media platform marketed towards bigots and people whose entire personality revolves around free speech is... not trust worthy? I'm shocked I tell you.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 20, 2025, 11:32:53 pm
content: I lump Telegram in with all the other "toy" apps. Whatsapp isn't too far off either. If you want secure comms, use Signal. I know it's not as sexy as the others, but it does what it says on the tin.

author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2025, 12:15:56 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on August 20, 2025, 11:32:53 pmWhatsapp is freaking amazing! It's getting banned in Russia. You wouldn't be able to make calls via whatsapp anymore. They are banning whatsapp and VPN's.It is encrypted, and to read it you need physical access. Furthermore, they don't have access to what is being said over whatsapp, without physical access. It is encrypted communications over network. Couple that with a VPN and you are pretty secure. They don't have an FSB agent sitting inside whatsapp, an FSB agent would have to physically tied you to a chair, and read your phone to gain access to what you typed there.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 21, 2025, 12:20:02 am
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 21, 2025, 12:15:56 amYes Whatsapp is encrypted end-to-end, but I don't trust Meta/Facebook. There are reasons why government agencies use Signal over Whatsapp, I'm not fully aware of what those reasons are, but if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.