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author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2017, 07:20:47 pm
content: It is really working, in the video you can see later how he disassembles the things, no hidden battery:Of course it is fakedBut I wonder how he did it? I guess just some clever video editing and then removing the battery before disassembling? While powering the bulb, it could be hidden in the lower part with the coil wires where you can't see inside.I'm sad about the comments, looks like many people believe it.

author: LabSpokane
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2017, 07:27:12 pm
content: Gee, do you think there are one or two coin / hearing aid-cells hidden in the base? But I have to admit that it's incredibly convenient to have a "free energy resonator" generate exactly 3VDC.

author: rob77
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2017, 07:32:21 pm
content: His youtube channel says location US.. but considering his accent i would bet it's Czech republic

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2017, 07:32:54 pm
content: A couple of lithium coin cells could easily light an LED bright enough to light up the bulb while being concealed in the base. Especially when you consider that light sources tend to appear much brighter to a camera than they are in reality.I know a guy from the Czech Republic who lives in the US, so this guy may well be located in the US.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2017, 08:02:01 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on April 25, 2017, 07:32:54 pmI know him too !

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2017, 08:31:33 pm
content: I call lacquer on the outside of the spring and the "insulator pad" being athin-film lithium battery.And another article.And another one.Continuity on the Voltcraft VC130 has a threshold of 10 ohms, so the thin-film battery just needs to have more than 10 ohms of internal resistance to "show" as non-conductive, hence »isolator«.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2017, 09:36:13 pm
content: I think it's a fish oil candle and not a bulb at all!Anybody will believe in something if they want it to be true. Case in point, religion.So before I am any more controversial I am going to stop talking.

author: kony
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2017, 09:46:52 pm
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on April 25, 2017, 07:20:47 pmThose who based their businesses around stripping fools with wishfull thinking from their money never went bankrupt. Hallelujah brothers and sisters.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2017, 10:30:01 pm
content: There will always be people who believe in this free energy bunk, IMO it's rather pointless to try to convince them otherwise. It's the same people who believe all sorts of conspiracy theories and they will go through some bizarre mental gymnastics to connect the dots of "evidence" starting with the premise that the official explanation is always a lie. They love to believe that "the man" is squashing all these revolutionary ideas such as free energy and 100 mpg carburetors in the name of corporate greed. There's a sucker born every minute and people want to believe.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 01:03:01 am
content: Someone once said that rather than try and work out howtheydid it, you should try and work out howyouwould do it....

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 01:21:27 am
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on April 25, 2017, 07:20:47 pmI guess the video is not fake, and there are no special video effects.Most probably, there is an RF (Radio Frequency) source nearby, and that RF source is inducing enough voltage in the spring(s). The springs are acting like coils.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 09:03:08 am
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on April 26, 2017, 01:21:27 amInducing a DC?

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 09:17:23 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on April 26, 2017, 01:03:01 amClear spray lacquer the spring, rub off on the contact points for each end, put a battery cell in the bottom section of the spring.I didn't watch the whole nonsense, but that would do for that first test he showed with the meter.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 10:33:27 am
content: Quote from: frozenfrogz on April 25, 2017, 08:31:33 pmInteresting batteries, didn't know them. The ST product is 25 mm wide, but maybe he built his own small battery from a normal LiPo battery. He didn't measure the sticky foil he removed in the video. Inside such a battery are thin foils:But video editing might be easier, and no reason to have a spring which hides the lower part, if you don't want to put a coin cell in it, unless this is required for the free energy construction to work

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 10:35:09 am
content: Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on April 26, 2017, 09:03:08 amYou made me watch the video (last time I posted I was just browse it for 10-20 seconds, then post about RF).The sheet between the magnet and the spring might act as a diode that rectifies the RF.Or maybe it's just some video editing. There might be a million other tricks involved, I don't know and I don't care about debunking it.What I know for sure is the law of energy's conservation, so I won't buy that trick, and I won't waste more time on it.

author: alanb
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 12:23:36 pm
content: He probably uses special crystals like Shahriar ( The Signal Path) uses.https://youtu.be/VOAaFyv_shY

author: LabSpokane
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 06:48:59 pm
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on April 26, 2017, 10:35:09 am

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 07:06:25 pm
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on April 26, 2017, 10:33:27 amThe articles / example battery I linked were more as source of reference. I was to lazy to actually try and find a suitable partNonetheless, I should get a hold of one of these to do some testing in combination with a tiny BLE module. Smells like private investigator gear straight from a movie

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 07:18:51 pm
content: RF is certainly a possibility, he's got a coil there, another coil on the underside of the table driven by high frequency could easily induce enough current to light an LED. CFL would be even easier, I've lit CFLs from feet away with my little Tesla coils.

author: Vtile
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2017, 09:16:47 pm
content: You are all wrong that is a legit Atmostpheric Phollitron, it creates a funnel to the upper Van Allens belts where it gets the energy.Interesting enough, that spring and neodium magnet combo could actually be build to poor electric generator, obviously the energy wouldn't be free, but kinetic energy transferred to electric. ...As you shake the coil it bends and the magnetic field will change (a bit) inside the coil. I wonder if there is any voltnuts that have sensitive enough equipment to measure it.Had to test it, got atleast 40 microvolts of free^tm energy according to my 100 meg meter.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 12:54:38 am
content: QuoteGosh, how po-faced you are! Why did you even bother commenting at all?No-one is trying to convince anyone else that it is real. The ask is 'How does he fake it', and to me that's as interesting (because he is good at it) as it might be if itwerereal. I guess you're not a Penn & Teller fan.

author: Nusa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 01:57:31 am
content: Note that the only time the bulb has its base raised in the air is when he's "proving" that connecting the wires don't light the bulb. So a battery and tilt switch inside the LED bulb would take care of the hardest part of the trick.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 02:50:09 am
content: The bulb doesn't move when he uses the grabbers, though, does it?And... I thought that type of bulb, with e24 fitting, was mains voltage.And, whilst I'm here, he tests resistance across the 'generators' and comes up with an open (shown by '1'). But if they were really putting out ~2V the meter would give some reading.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 04:05:08 am
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on April 26, 2017, 10:33:27 amHe didseemto measure while still stuck to the magnet - but I suspect the surface exposed to the spring was insulated, except for a carefully prepared spot where the end of the spring was positioned to make contact with the film battery. All he had to do for his 'test' to show no voltage was to make sure his meter clip didn't touch that spot.In support of this, notice the 'resonators' were already assembled at the start of the video - and when they were disassembled, you never saw them put back together and shown to still work.As well, there is the curious action of removing the so-called 'insulators' and placing them right out of frame. If there was nothing to see, then why do this when everything else stayed visible?Then there is the question as to what could be in the LED globe. That is a HUGE space.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 04:52:55 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on April 27, 2017, 04:05:08 amHe has another video where he shows the insulator very detailed and re-assembles the resonator, too:Interesting: At 1:47 he shows that the voltage changes when he moves it. This might be an indication for some RF trick. The insulator looks like just some rubber.QuoteRight. And it looks like mains powered LED globe, and curiously in the end he doesn't show it powered from mains, only the other lamp?So how it could be done: inside the bulb is a circuit and a battery, which measures the capacitance. It turns on the bulb, if it can measure a capacitance greater some value, and brighter if there is more capacitance, when more of the resonators are connected in parallel. And the multimeter is rigged to show the right values volt and milliamps in DC mode.But if the multimeter is not rigged, how could he do it?

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 05:02:10 am
content: In that video, at about 0:54.5 he has done the fast flashing bit, held the light on for a few seconds, and disconnected. As he moves the bulb it briefly flashes - there is no (valid!) reason for it to do that since the wire is already disconnected and it doesn't seem, to me, to accidentally make contact again as the bulb is moved.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 05:22:37 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 27, 2017, 05:02:10 amGood catchMy guess is that the bulb does have a battery inside and a simple electronic switch (mosfet perhaps) with the gate at one of the bulb terminals, allowing it to switch on from a small voltage (and practically zero current). Since the gate is floating it can turn on by mistake as you observed.As for the "resonator", my best guess is that the interface between magnet, "insulator" and spring is acting as a crude rectifier (perhaps similar to an "electrolytic rectifier"). Possibly a rectifier / capacitor. This allows a small voltage to build up (and a small short circuit current, as demonstrated). Of course the power would be insignificant, but enough to turn on the mosfet (and show up on the multimeter due to the high input impedance).It might even work without an "artificial" RF field, just using already present high-frequency fields.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 05:27:19 am
content: This was where my thoughts drifted as well. Some circuitry in the globe that responded to certain conditions while seemingly being invisible ... well, to the measurement(s) thatweretaken, that is.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 06:17:49 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 27, 2017, 05:02:10 amIt looks like it does make contact. I downloaded the video and stepped through it in single step mode at 0:54 with Quicktime and it lights up for one frame, but the bottom wire is still connected and looks like the top wire makes a brief contact to the spring:

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 05:00:38 pm
content: QuoteOhI rather liked janekm's explanation, although I suppose that could still be the answer (or close) anyway.The bulb does look suspect. Does anyone know what voltage is needed to get a real one to light (I don't have one around to try). My experiment with a T8 replacement suggests 100+V and those resonators sure aren't putting that kind of punch out.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2017, 05:50:58 pm
content: In my experience, most LED and CFL retrofit lamps will light at somewhere between 50-80% of rated voltage. It varies greatly on the particular lamp though.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 06:12:32 am
content: There are 6V E27 screw fitting bulbs (for off-grid use I imagine):http://c.b0yp.com/h.g6eTMv?cv=ymdVZtxwqGd&sm=69bf58but I don't think they'd light up as brightly as in the video from 3V (and 0.0A). You can buy LED light bulb diy kits so it's easy to make a gimmicked one though.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 09:40:04 am
content: He has opened and messed with that lamp, that much is clear me thinks

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 11:55:08 am
content: QuoteI sit corrected!

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 12:56:24 pm
content: Ok, there are plenty of YT videos that are pretty tricky.For instance, how is this one done:The Ball Bearing is the Motorover 2 million view and 10.000 positive likes

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 01:14:38 pm
content: QuoteEr... it tells you at the end if you make it that far

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 01:38:00 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 28, 2017, 01:14:38 pmNo way that thermal process would be how it works.It is electromagnetic.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 03:28:29 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on April 28, 2017, 01:38:00 pmExactly.The thermal reaction can not be that fast to build up any torque.I am guessing he has magnets in the screw head and a huge rotating magnetic field next to it, outside the camera field.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 03:45:21 pm
content: QuoteThere isn't a lot of torque - it can't start itself (but that would fit with your suggestion of a magnetic field) and it stops easily (also fits your suggestion).I have one of those stove-top fans which work by pumping hot air around (sterling engine). You look at it and think it couldn't possibly work faster enough via heat transfer, but it goes like the clappers.QuoteHe rotates the axis so I don't think that would work - I guess it might if the rotation is on a particular plane (too tired to work that out right now). Whilst it does sometimes stop, mostly it doesn't.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 03:48:47 pm
content: The ball bearing motor has been around for a long time, it's not a scam, they really work. They are horribly inefficient and have no practical use but they do spin, until the balls get pitted and weld.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2017, 02:04:30 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 27, 2017, 12:54:38 amYou are right. My apologies.Since you asked a direct question, I was at a beer, alone, in front of the screen, and opened blindly the first 3 topics. Usually, I wouldn't open free energy or debunking topics, but this time it just happened to be in the first 3 new posted. So I read it and I thought it's an RF trick, and the beer made me type an answer. Then, the trick was a little more complicated, so I typed a grumpy answer (another mistake).It was not me, I swear, it was the beer. Beer is evil!)P.S.And now, I am with another beer in front of the screen, breaking my promise to not type any more in this topic.Well, since I already broke my promise, AFAIK the ball bearing on a rod engine is not fake.

author: dmills
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2017, 03:14:15 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on April 28, 2017, 03:48:47 pmYep, anyone remember this thing getting a write up in E&WW?The fact that it will run in either direction argues against electromagnetic effects.Regards, Dan.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2017, 11:20:36 am
content: Yes, horribly inefficient, and will run up till the point the entire unit is at white heat and the copper wiring melts off the races. Built a few, and they ran somewhat well.