Is there any theoretical limit to stupidity? (Android permission auto-revoke) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: emece67
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2022, 10:28:42 am
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author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2022, 11:01:32 am
content: * Alarm clock requiring reconfiguration every three days, otherwise it silently fails to alarm* Cannot call the emergency number if not logged in to Microsoft Teams* Fix is not to upgrade the OS core to remove this dependency which shouldn't exist in the first place, but to apply a bugfix in Microsoft TeamsThere are reasons why I don't own a modern "phone". Not only it demonstrably ruins lives, it is actually dangerous. Mine is from 2005 and keeps working. If they force people into modern phones, then I guess I can be reached using email, snail mail, physical visit, or maybe Skype, unless Microsoft decides to completely break it, too.This being said, my alarm clock in the 2005 phone has a bug, too. It has failed to alarm me once or twice due to that. But at least it is not intentional, but a honest bug.

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2022, 11:23:51 pm
content: As we all know, like Y2K and the linux time rollover, stupidity has continued its inexorable spread in modern civilisations.Take the US election in 2016 as an example.Nobody in their right mind would have believed that might happen, but with the benefit of reality TV and shrinking education - it became possible.A few years ago, I coined the term ‘American Devolution’, which, like the pandemic has unfortunately spread to almost every other country,The other bogey in the room is ‘objective’ administration and management displacing ‘subjective’ development and collaboration.Fix the PERCEPTION of a problem, don’t bother fixing THE problem, that’s too expensive.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 12, 2022, 04:15:34 am
content: I miss the days where you could turn off your Nokia phone completely but the alarm would still go off when set.To the OP, I don't think you're problem is Android per se, rather the buggy, bloated, bastardised junk that some manufacturers pass off as an Android experience. Xiamoi's MIUI software is one of them. It's complete shit. Oppo's ColorOS isn't much better. These two (and others) might be based off Android, but are so far disconnected from how actual proper native Android operates.

author: ejeffrey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2022, 05:43:05 am
content: I've definitely never had this with android. Permissions are removed after a period of inactivity, but they automatically ask for permissions next time they are needed. The only time it is needed to disable this behavior is for background applications.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2022, 02:55:42 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on February 12, 2022, 04:15:34 amHow long before manufacturers would figure out that rather than spend a lot of effort on making their own Android builds, sponsoring a LineageOS developer would be far cheaper and yield better results?

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2022, 06:19:40 pm
content: QuoteDidn't Wiley Fox try that? Look where it got them (albeit with CyanagenOS, the precursor to LineageOS).

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2022, 07:55:31 pm
content: I really loved when they changed my locksreen to "Wallpaper carousel" put some inappropriate picture on it (it was weed plants or smt like that), and I had to accept terms and conditions when trying to unlock my phone. Out of nothing of course, I didn't ask for any of this. Searched how to disable it? You cannot fully.Considering smashing the damn thing, but they dont make banking app and crypto wallet for my old Windows Phone. That never changed anything unless I asked it to.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2022, 08:41:31 pm
content: I noticed this revoking permission thing, but in my case, it was at least for apps that I hadn't used in a long time.Another annoying thing with Android is that (at least on several Android systems I tried from 8 to 11) if you use fingerprint for unlocking the device, it will ask for your password every 3 f*king*days, and it's not even a setting, so you can't change that. One week or even one month would have been fine by me. Or just when I reboot the system.All in all, it comes down to a common cause: software that is designed to know better than yourself what you need. It's a pretty general trend in software these days. It's horrible. And I'm not sure "stupidity" is the problem.Oh, and it's not restricted to software either... but that's a bit beyond this topic.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2022, 08:23:56 am
content: It's not stupidity.It's a deliberate act to slowly render the society dysfunctional. It comes in all flavors, big and small, the key is to make everyday lives as difficult and unsafe as possible. People are made to conform to this kind of BS, and accept it.All that "two factor authentication" BS is part of this. It's pretty revealing that a company for which security has never meant anything is most strongly driving this.Sounds like a tinfoil hat thing but I'm really serious.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 14, 2022, 09:40:35 pm
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on February 13, 2022, 08:23:56 amIf you're even moderately interested in security, you wouldn't be buying a handset from Chinese manufacturers. I know it might sound like generalisation, but it's largely true. Their primary motivator is to make a feature phone with all the bells and whistles of a Samsung device but at a fraction of the cost. Pay a bit more and get something decent from companies like Samsung, Google or even Apple. Those handsets are pretty solid.

author: ve7xen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2022, 10:04:32 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 12, 2022, 08:41:31 pmWhile I agree with your premise, I think that security features are a reasonable exception, since users don't know what's best for them, and stand to be seriously screwed if you let them do what they think is best. Password 'reminder' prompts like you're describing are annoying, so many users - even experienced ones - would disable them if given the choice - but they work. Then they'll forget their password, since they've been unlocking their phone exclusively with biometrics for the past 6 months, and don't use it anywhere else, then they'll need to take it to the store for help wiping it, and they'll lose all their data. They might also lose access to many of their online accounts, because they lose the 2FA keys. That's a bad user experience that will put them off the product, even though it's their own 'fault' for forgetting a password they've had no reason to remember.Ditto with permission revocation. Managing permissions is a pain in the ass, and to mitigate that, users 'set it and forget it', which is probably not what their trust model supports, whether they are thinking about it or not. Revoking permissions after a period of disuse makes perfect sense, it's clearly not important to the user that this app have permanent permission if they are barely using it, and the prompt to re-enable it if they do isn't a significant barrier.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 14, 2022, 10:15:44 pm
content: Quote from: ve7xen on February 14, 2022, 10:04:32 pmYep, I certainly don't disagree with any of that. But ultimately, consumers should have a choice.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2022, 10:19:21 pm
content: Quote from: ve7xen on February 14, 2022, 10:04:32 pmThis has already happened to me once. Biometric security is extremely dangerous if you have no way to recover a forgotten password.I now understand why Apple forces you to unlock your phone manually once a week.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2022, 12:08:33 am
content: QuoteI used to do that (buy Samsung) and hated everyone one. The only Samsung device I now use is the TV, and that only because it predates the data snarfing models and it only has to show a picture from a STB.

author: Fredderic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2022, 01:29:01 am
content: The first couple posts here sounded like the Grandpa brigade going, "Get off my lawn with your new fangled technology I don't understand, you youngun's".Quote from: IanB on February 14, 2022, 10:19:21 pmSo much this. The 3-day login prompt annoys me sometimes too, but, I don't remember my ATM card PIN right now, because I've been using the tap thing with my phone. I'd hate to forget my phone unlock code too, and I KNOW I will. Do kinda wish it was configurable — I'm reasonably sure my brain could handle 5 days between reminders. But then, I guess what's the chance I'd slowly walk it out until Ididforget…?I've never experienced most of these issues commented on here, either — I'm using Samsung (been thinking of going Pixel next, try a little closer to pure Android — and get rid of stupid Bixby, plus having one less company spying on all my important datas. Meh, nothing's ever perfect.). I get prompts to let me know it's putting apps to sleep (sometimes I wish it'd just do it already, but it's a good thing often enough that I'm usually glad it didn't), and prompts to let me know it's revoking permissions (and you can tell it not to), and it takes all of a few seconds to flip through and ignore it (usually leave it until I'm stuck waiting for something, so it's not even taking otherwise useful time). Never had it even try to break calls, but, if you're not using the stock call app,etc., it may not know to leave it alone.So yeah, also agree that it's most likely your crappy elcheapo whatzit screwing up Android. (Or maybe it did give you the problems, and you just ignored it without paying attention and/or understanding. "Get off my lawn, darned Android whappersnipper!")

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2022, 05:57:39 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on February 12, 2022, 02:55:42 pmAs someone who begrudgingly buys two phones per decade, I can tell you that I do visit the shops every 6-12 months with the intent of being sold a new device. I just hate the way they change things. But, all people seem to want in a new fone is a shiny widget that jumps around on the screen so they can show their peers. And a screen that isn't cracked.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2022, 06:27:24 pm
content: There isn't enough understanding among the public (yet) that security imposes a cost - hardware, software, and user experience. Users have less and less say in what this compromise should be, because major corporations (like banks, for example) require the end device to be security-hardened in order to allow it to be used for transactions - governments require it because increasingly, phones are used for other ID purposes - and so on and on. The security requirements beyond a basic level are not driven by the users at all.There is really no way out of this hole as long as you keep believing that it is "your" phone! Once you accept that the phone isn't yours, and you begin treating it as if it had been issued to you by your employer, you will be a lot happier.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 06:03:28 am
content: Quote from: emece67 on February 11, 2022, 10:28:42 amMy deepest and sincerest sympathy goes out to you for choosing anything Xiaomi phone. I bought one (I'm well informed) as a stop gap, two years ago. Yeah.... nope. Never again. MIUI is too awful.to be called a joke, since jokes are funny.Android is bad enough, but MIUI, Xiaomi and all their "We're the Chinese Apple" BS. 🤦‍♂️

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 08:04:46 am
content: I'll remark, if I may, that, despite all these ridiculous re-hashes of Android - they're all - for better or worse - just re-hashes of a ghastly design. There may be "better" or "worse" variants, but they're only "better" or "worse" within the scope of Android, which ain't saying much. If any of these companies had any brains, they'd have found a sound and solid competitor to iOS, built from the ground up FROM SCRATCH, as an intelligent company would... (and not based on Android OR Linux, that has been tried and flopped too many times as to make it a parody of itself) and they haven't, except for Microsoft with "Windows Phone" 7 and 8, and that was a REALLY nice OS, and I still have a Lumia 640 XL upstairs, and love it, despite it being obsoleted.Variants of a turd are still a turd.

author: emece67
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 08:39:42 am
content: .

author: JohanH
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 09:06:37 am
content: My last two phones have been Sony. The previous one I actually installed and used Jolla's Sailfish OS on for a couple of years, until my banking apps stopped working. Sony's Android isn't that bad, it is quite close to the upstream variant and doesn't have much bloatware. Sony also support third party development (kernel and drivers available), that's why it is possible to install Sailfish on their phones. I'm still thinking about doing it again. Sailfish isn't a completely open platform (GUI is partially proprietary), but you can run any linux on top of it if you wish. And there is a real terminal and you can SSH to the device and do real stuff, like configure the system like a real Linux OS. I miss that I could rsync pictures and files from the phone.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 09:18:50 am
content: ^ “ain’t that bad”’is not the same as “absolutely brilliant”, and hardly a glowing testimony. 😄

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 09:27:40 am
content: Quote from: jukk on February 18, 2022, 09:06:37 amDude, you’re actually adorable and nice, and I genuinely mean that, because you seem totally oblivious to how the interned target demographic of users of smartphones use them. Whoever wants to ssh into their phone “because I can!”?I maybe did it once, then sat for a minute, scratching my head and asking “Okay, well now what?”I can ssh into most gadgets I own, but…. why? I ssh into my laptop and servers, but my PHONE?I can see you’re a diehard Linux appreciator, so enjoy ssh’ing to your phone, and hoping that Linux will “rule the world one day”.Admit this is you in this video - there’s no shame in being a talented comedian:Such comedy and free!

author: JohanH
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 09:56:07 am
content: Quote from: eti on February 18, 2022, 09:27:40 amFinally. I'm so happy I can make other people happy. Enjoy!

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 12:15:58 pm
content: QuoteI bought a Xiaomi Mi A1 (being well-informed you would know the significance of the A1) and like it so much I recently bought a second-hand spare because mine is starting to show issues. MIUI is just like any other custom frontend - the first thing any seriously bothered user would do is replace it with their preferred choice - mine is Nova Launcher, but alternatives exist.My spare is now running LineageOS, so it's a) not running anything Xiaomi, and b) at Android 11 spec. Being well-informed you would know that Xiaomi have an established way to unlock the bootloader, something other manufacturers aren't so hot on.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 05:28:44 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on February 18, 2022, 12:15:58 pmYeah, the phone I had the least pain installing a non-official OS (CM) was a Xiaomi one.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 05:30:05 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on February 16, 2022, 06:27:24 pmYeah, we'll be happy not owning anything. We got that.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 05:49:19 pm
content: Do you really need a smartphone?I still live without. I have a small laptop with long battery life, which runs linux and boots in 8 seconds. I do have mobile internet. This computer acts like a traditional computer without much BS going on. I can do most of the things people do with smart phones, except better, with the "downside" being the extra 15 second threshold of taking the thing out of my backpack and turning it on. This is of no issue because you rarelyactuallyneed to do anything on the go. Smart phones are really used for the instant dopamine entertainment bullshit so that you don't need to spendone minutewith "nothing to do". The detrimental effect for mental health is undisputed. Sure, you don'tneedto use the smartphone like that, but once you don't do that, then you will also see that the appeal diminishes.The only thing I can't do is if some crap company etc. absolutely requires me to usean apponly available for a specific brand of "smartphone", from theirapp store, and purposely offer neither a web interface nor a portable application. There is no sane reason to do so, and as I don't negotiate with terrorists, I just take my business elsewhere I guess? But in reality, I haven't had to go that far, I've been able to do everything I want, always.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 06:46:50 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on February 18, 2022, 12:15:58 pmBeing snotty achieves nothing except to be a repellant, and make one come across as unpleasant- I’d know, I’ve done my fair share of it, I’m not proud of that.I own a Redmi Note 7, which I unlocked well over two years ago and installed “Pixel experience” on, making it pretty usable.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2022, 07:31:14 pm
content: QuoteYes. Er, no. Probably.Phone isn't important to me apart from SMS which is the most important part (before smartphones and dumbphones I used a pager). But I like the ability to carry a camera, have a map, share my real-time location on a run, be told when the doorbell is pressed, etc. Apart from the text ability all the others are useful but non-critical, but add them all together and it's irresistible. Hell, even my partner who swears blind that phones, and particularly smart ones, are spawn of the devil currently carries three around!I think what you should be asking is, "do you really need to be checking FaceUp every 5 minutes?" AFAICS, there is nothing about a smartphone that forces you to use any part of it you don't want to, or even carry the thing at all. Or own one. The problem is not the phone.

author: Fredderic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2022, 08:17:34 am
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on February 18, 2022, 05:49:19 pmYes. It's my phone. watch, calendar, wallet, and expansion memory.Before the smartphone I had an actual wallet, a PDA, a watch, and no phone, and they all periodically got damaged, broken, or outright lost. These days, I only even have my wallet when I drive somewhere, and I can use a slim one that's basically just a couple cards.Looking after one phone has beenmucheasier (I've only broken one, and that was a fumbled 0.5m unlucky drop on to concrete), rarely lose it, and the rare occasions when I do, yelling "Hey Google, find my phone" (or getting the nearest person to call it for me) quickly resolves that! Plus, sooo much less stuff crammed into my pockets.Do you really need power? Of course not. Youcanlive without it… but… I'm not sure I'd want to — wouldn't be able to charge my smartphone!

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2022, 09:25:10 am
content:  😉

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2022, 09:37:08 am
content: QuoteNow that is a problem that can get right up my nose. There are some suppliers, and even one of my banks, who insist that support chat is performed via the phone app - I really hate typing more than a few words on a tiny virtual keyboard (and am amazed at those who can two-thumb at near normal typing speeds).I put this kind of thing down to phones being more common than Windows or Mac or Linux, and it's cheaper to target one device than everything. Is it better than developing a Java app? Hmmm. So here the popularity, and usefulness, of smartphones has worked against the users of them (except those users who do actually live via their phones).

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2022, 11:52:58 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on February 19, 2022, 09:37:08 amThat kind of thing is a reason to switch to a different bank or whatever. Funny thing is, if you say that to them, more often than not, it turns out it isn't necessary to use the app after all!

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2022, 12:47:20 am
content: I figured out a way to get around it, but usually I don't need banking support (I've only contacted a different one, where I've had an account for many, many years, to complain about something and they fobbed me off anyway). It's other benefits outweigh this potential aggro.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2022, 11:05:35 am
content: If it's something unimportant, I just don't communicate with them. If they are not willing to sell me something I want, then I buy it from elsewhere.If it's something important, like me already being a customer and bank losing my money, and there is no communication channel I can use, then I only communicate with them through authorities. If I had more money at my disposal, lawyers can make it work quicker.Besides, having the communication channel usually isn't enough. Chances are high you are facing abiological chatbot; an actual human person who has no training and no authority to do anything, and who has been programmed into detecting single words like 1980's chatbot software, and then reply something not related to the matter at all.I have had two serious complaints during the last maybe 5 years, one with a phone company who accidentally closed my phone service completely because of their broken process, and bank who "accidentally" left my old card active when they "upgraded" it into a new card. In both cases, communication was exactly like 80's chatbot, and only after very thorough explanation ofwhichexact authorities and media houses are to be contacted, at which exact dates, only then something started to happen. You need to go far enough to trigger their process of involving their lawyers, and give enough time (2 weeks in latter case) to do that.I try to avoid using "services" as much as I can, knowing how to do everything myself. It provides a very stress-free life. The idea that paid services make life easier was maybe working in 1960's when this culture started. Nowadays most of it is just incompetence, understaffing, and cost gone through all roofs, and the downhill has accelerated during the last decade.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2022, 11:22:12 am
content: Quote from: SL4P on February 11, 2022, 11:23:51 pmWhat was stupid about the US 2016 election? I've heard many say the that about the 2020 election!When I saw this comment, I thought I was reading theanother thread. A big part of human stupidity is not being able to see why others think differently, understand why the voted for a different party, make different decisions or have a different culture/religion. It's true that people often genuinely make stupid mistakes, but sometimes they're right and you're wrong, or neither party is right.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2022, 02:42:20 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on February 21, 2022, 11:22:12 amWhat seems to have been lost or diminished is the ability to respect and get along with people that you don't agree with... being able to do a little "give and take" to make things work.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2022, 02:52:50 pm
content: QuoteNope,been phone free for a few years now.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2022, 04:58:35 am
content: https://medium.com/@jasonsamuel123/iphones-still-beat-androids-even-with-inferior-specs-an-ex-android-fanboys-take-40f5cfa37120

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2022, 03:41:40 pm
content: There are pluses and minuses with both of the duopolists. I don't get along well with the "walled" nature of iOS, even if the user experience is very slick and well done.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2022, 09:11:28 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2022, 03:41:40 pmI feel that people often (and ALWAYS in error, as they ALWAYS focus on that one small aspect and skim over everything else) see the "walled garden" as ONLY keeping them in; no - it keeps all the junk/spam/attacks/tracking, OUT, no compromise.

author: ve7xen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2022, 10:30:14 pm
content: Quote from: eti on February 22, 2022, 09:11:28 pmNo it doesn't, it keeps the junk/useful apps/competition/trackingthat doesn't further Apple's interestsOUT, including things that may further MY interests. Which is adistinctlydifferent thing. Apple's behaviour in their 'walled garden' is so blatantly predatory, it does not justify the marginal to nonexistent benefit, at least if you are a remotely competent technology user.Both major platforms are technologically 'fine', if you like one or the other, it's because of your own preferences, as SilverSolder says, they each have pros and cons. I happen to think Apple's behaviour is evil and leading us to dark places technology wise, where users no longer own their devices or control what they do. We don't accept 'benevolent dictatorship' from our governments, I've no idea why people advocate it (with bonus profit motive!) for our technology that is much more closely tied to our daily lives.QuoteThe thing I don't get is that all of these devices have web browsers. Hell, most mobile apps are more or less just browser apps repackaged anyway. I guess they think they gain mindshare by forcing you to install an icon on your device? But I really don't get why 90% of these apps can't just be delivered through a browser regardless of platform.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2022, 11:41:58 pm
content: Quote from: ve7xen on February 22, 2022, 10:30:14 pmI guess apps are even better at tracking and monitoring behaviour than web browsers!

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2022, 11:55:56 pm
content: Quote from: eti on February 22, 2022, 09:11:28 pmMy views are formed by past bad experiences with trying to move or copy files between iDevices and Wintel PCs... OMG what a tangled web that can be, for something conceptually so simple.Then there was the time where an iOS update destroyed my well loved iPhone 4s - the battery life went from several days to a few hours - it was ridiculous. Apple would not let me roll back the OS. The perfectly good phone became junk... I am still angry about that, years later, and it is absolutely a factor in me avoiding Apple phones to this day.With my Android devices, I simply plug in a USB cord and have at it, just the way you'd expect it to work.I agree that the Google stuff spies on you and tracks everything you do. It sucks, but I avoid it by keeping a minimum of personally identifiable data on the phone. I totally understand that I don't own my phone and that the landlord can do what he pleases.I wish Microsoft/Nokia and/or Blackberry had been more successful, so we could have some alternatives to the current stale duopoly offerings...

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 12:07:55 am
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2022, 11:55:56 pmI think that is more a question of feature development not catching up fast enough. Things are much better today with file sharing and synchronization through the cloud. Any file I want on my Windows desktop I just say "send to OneDrive" or "send to iCloud" and it works just as I need it to. Items like photos are automatically sync'd so that as soon as I take a picture on my phone it is there on my desktop waiting for me.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 01:16:03 am
content: QuoteWhereas with all my Android phones I can FTP into them, access a web-based file manager over wifi and upload/download individual files or automatically create a zip of them all to transfer en bloc, shove a USB cable up it, browse (on the phone) to any local PC share, use Nextcloud (despite its name it's a Dropbox clone running on-prem), ...None of them accesses anyone elses machine, cloud or not, nor do they need to get permission off anyone but me.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 02:03:32 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on February 23, 2022, 01:16:03 amWow. I haven't used FTP since the 90's. It's nice to be reminded of an ancient technology.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 02:37:21 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on February 23, 2022, 01:16:03 amYep. Having the freedom of accessing your data in a strictly private manner and in standard ways is IMHO non-negotiable.And that's at least one plus of Android.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 02:46:58 am
content: Not having a deep fundamental understanding of why Apple makes decisions to do things a certain way, doesn’t mean iOS is no good, it just means that the person observing them as such, is uneducated in the vast breadth and depth of the Apple way.Why can’t you roll back iOS? Well why do you think? It’s pretty obvious; you can’t because it’s updated and patched and refined to counter any bugs and exploits found. Apple’s ENTIRE model is security and simplicity. Period. That’s all there is to it. If you could roll it back, that would mean an inherent weakness in the design model.Apple doesn’t care if you like their products or not - you don’t become the world’s most successful, trusted, well supported technology brand for no reason at all; they play the long game, they let the other device manufactures play around with the bleeding edge, then sit and watch from the sidelines; they allow the other companies to make the mistakes, which is FREE R&D from their perspective, then they’ll take note of the things that stick, quietly note them down in their journal, then test them and refine their own prototypes in-house, regardless of whether or not they’ll ever see the light of the inside of an Apple store.You don’t become $3TN consumer technology company with a legendary reputation, without earning it. People mock what they don’t understand, and the more they mock Apple the more they show it, and every mention of the brand gets them into peoples minds.Apple’s heritage and legacy are decades deep and wide, never make the mistake of thinking they’re a newcomer, they’re the industry leader in all things touch and Desktop. Fact.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 02:54:41 am
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2022, 11:55:56 pmBeing “angry” for years is bad enough, but being angry at a personal TECHNOLOGICAL situation which, for all we know, could be down to your own lack of understanding or foresight, or personal biases, is plain irrational. Hanging onto that “anger” over one very specific situation with a very old phone, and closing your mind off to anything from then on, is extremely irrational too.Missing those other platforms won’t get them back. I have a collection of Lumias and BlackBerry phones, but my wishing won’t make them popular again. They’re lovely though, and kept by me for sentimental reasons.Rigidly refusing to try again, based on one bad experience, is extremely short-sighted.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 03:02:07 am
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2022, 11:55:56 pmGet a device that supports LineageOS and you can have Android without Google.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 03:10:22 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 23, 2022, 02:37:21 am“Standard” != best, necessarily.For years, my Luddite friends would mock my iPhone “Oh, sorry, I can’t send you this photo over Bluetooth, your stupid iPhone doesn’t do Bluetooth file transfer”Yeah, because my “stupid iPhone” is made by a company that are future-focused, and which later, developed the wonderful “AirDrop” protocol (Bluetooth for discovering and setting up the connection, WiFi for the actual file transfer.)Using all platforms myself (because I’m open minded and need to find ways to do things across many platforms) means that I’m in the unique position in my community of friends and family, of being able to test things exhaustively for many years on all platforms, mobile and desktop, and then - if they ask - I’ll tell them which I think works best (usually Apple btw) and if they voice an irrational aversion to fruit, I don’t make idiotic and immature comments regarding my personal choices, but instead swiftly move on to find them a solution that works for their choice of devices; if they choose to disregard Apple/whatever company device/services, it’s not a matter of my ego or pride needing to “convert” them; if they ask my opinions (only if they ask!) I’ll tell them I prefer Apple because X,Y,Z, and give a couple of informed examples and even demonstrations (I’ll wait to see if they progress to wanting a demo - forcing that upon them is not my bag)I’ll observe that I’ve often laughed when my Samsung fanboy friend has sat for about half an hour trying to send me tiny videos (2-3Gb) and trying all the nonsense “solutions” that Google as Samsung have collectively messed up, and mentioning that “Send Anywhere” app works really well (and said friend refuses, saying “I don’t want to install more apps” {and yet he’ll stubbornly sit there and waste our mutual time, trying to prove how Android can also do it as well… 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️😂})

author: ve7xen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 05:09:59 am
content: Quote from: eti on February 23, 2022, 02:46:58 amYou really did drink the Kool-Aid eh? It's absolutely amazing that you'd take the lack of a feature and try to spin it as a benefit because Apple came out with an alternative that's locked to their platform for no reason other than protectionism. If they'd implemented BT file transfer then...it would have just worked... Instead, you had no easy solution.Apple is not your friend. They are not designing products to help you, they are designing products to make money. A big part of that is leveraging their monopoly to lock out their competition and ensure they get their pound of flesh for everything you do on your phone, whether they've earned it or not. That they can position this ridiculous abuse ofyourauthority over the deviceyouostensibly own forto make it easier for them to tap your pocket bookand folks like you will buy it is the genius of it all.They're also not such brilliant engineers that they have the only viable product on the market. The fact that you think so is evidence of nothing more than the power of their marketing department.QuoteWhy do you blame this on Google / Android and not Apple, where the blame belongs? For one thing, Apple has never released an AirDrop specification or code. How would you expect it to work better, since in typical Apple style, they do not implement any alternative interoperable protocols for this? Nobody can implement their stuff, because they're protectionist about it, and they refuse to implement anyone else's, including standard protocols. Google's Nearby Share codeis open source. How much do you want to bet Apple never adds it to iOS to improve this situation?Why did this become the thread for shilling Apple anyway? If you're not happy with how Android handles permissions, good luck on iOS.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 06:02:25 am
content: You guys. 😂🤦🏻‍♂️Enjoy whatever. Please yourselves. Opinions are like armpits. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 06:05:28 am
content: Quote from: ve7xen on February 23, 2022, 05:09:59 amMighty angry aren’t we. 🙄Apple don’t owe anyone the secrets behind their technology. You might live in freetard utopia, but differentiation and successful ideas is what makes clever people money, and those inventions set apart the wheat from the chaff.“Nearby Share”:1: What a comical, idiotic name.2: Only HOW many years too late?3: It’s a crusty, clumsy effort and it’s never worked once for me (just like their proximity unlock for Chromebook)Check out this “guide” from Captain bullshit random Indian tech site:https://www.guidingtech.com/fix-nearby-sharing-not-working-on-android/If ya gonna fanboy, pick the winning side.Sour grapes. Don’t be bitter. Enjoy your day. Stay happy.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 11:32:48 am
content: QuoteYou complain about the tone of some replies and yet still come out with this unprovoked and pointed barb. For all you know, those not toeing Apple's line do sobecausethey are 'educated' in Apple's way, perhaps much more so than you.Why on earth couldn't you have used 'unaware' or something similarly non-confrontational? You bloody well ask for someone to virtually bop you on the nose, you know.[Edit: tow/toe, how embarrassing]

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 07:43:01 pm
content: Everybody's looking for something.Some of them want to use youSome of them want to get used by youSome of them want to abuse youSome of them want to be abused.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 08:45:14 pm
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on February 23, 2022, 07:43:01 pmSweet dreams are made of this??

author: ve7xen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 08:51:12 pm
content: Quote from: eti on February 23, 2022, 06:05:28 amI rather am. Apple's business model is ruining the tech industry writ large. They're far more egregious than anything Microsoft ever did in the 90s, and Microsoft actually got smacked down. They've found a convenient and clever excuse for egregious behaviour that the legislators seem to be buying, despite the damage it is doing to the market and consumer choice. There's no evidence that any regulator or legislator, at least in North America, even seems to be cognizant of Apple's abuses. They are pushing us backward to a world of platform exclusivity, protectionism, and control rather than the one we were heading for in the early 00s with federated, standardized protocols and openness. There's no reason for there not to be a standardized messaging protocol that all services use (XMPP...), and the same for voice/video chat, file sharing, and a variety of other things.QuoteThere are no secrets. AirDrop is not a difficult thing to implement. If Apple's goal was usability, they would want it to become a standard, so that they could interoperate with many devices, and the users would be the winners without having to worry about what kind of device each other has. Or even better, they would promote it as an actual standard with IETF or similar, and get it ratified as something anyone anywhere can easily implement and interoperate with. Instead, they protect it, and don't allow anyone else to interoperate with them to try and pressure everyone into their little bubble. It's the same thing with FaceTime. Or iMessage. Or a litany of other Apple-only things. They are nothing special, the fact that they are Apple-exclusive and often by far the least-friction solution (by virtue of being unconfigurable defaults) is purely leverage they use against you to hold you on their platform.Quote1. Irrelevant. Like I said, you are clearly very susceptible to marketing. At least it clearly conveys its purpose.2. Sure, but I have no idea how this refutes my point about Apple's protectionism harming consumers and actively harming the experience for their users in the interest of pushing people to their platform.3. Eh, it just works for me. It's not exactly a hard thing to do, and considering your...bias...I'm not going to take your experience at face value.The point is that it is open, and Apple can choose to implement it (like BT file transfer!) if they prioritized a good user experience, unlike Google implementing AirDrop which is not an option available to them. But they won't, because they are Apple and creating a world where tech interoperates well is not something they want to do. That would be good for consumers, and bad for locking them to Apple.QuoteMighty similar tohttps://www.macrumors.com/how-to/airdrop-not-working-fix/... These blogs exist to hoover search results from people trying to use this stuff, they are no indication of widespread problems.QuoteSays the person that comes into a thread about Android as an Apple fanboy and refuses to acknowledge that his favourite company is at least as predatory and anti-consumer as any other? That acts like anything that comes out of Apple's anus is gold-plated chocolate, despite the smell? That's so brainwashed they've come around to believe anyone that doesn't also love the smell must be an idiot, and happily and arrogantly expresses that attitude in public?I'm no Android fanboy. It's a functional product, just like iOS, I am just very tired of people thinking that sunshine and rainbows emit from Apple's ass. They are one of the most predatory companies to ever exist. Be more critical of them.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 09:17:48 pm
content: Quote from: ve7xen on February 23, 2022, 08:51:12 pmI don't think Apple is pushing anyone. They make products and people buy them. It is the market expressing its preference.QuoteIf there is no reason for there not to be such things, then surely such things would prevail? People would prefer them, and would prefer devices that offer them, and the market would decide.But what I think happens is that 99% of phone buyers are not technical, or technologists. They are just consumers that want to buy products with a polished design that just work. And this is what happens if you buy Apple. Inside the Apple ecosystem, everything is smooth, reliable, predictable and supported. It just works. Apple has made a nice walled garden with a big open door and a sign that says "Enter here and be happy!"It is hard really to blame Apple for this. They are delivering what the market wants, as evidenced by the fact that their products sell by the billion. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 09:18:03 pm
content: Quote from: eti on February 23, 2022, 02:54:41 amWell, instead of "angry", perhaps substitute "disappointed that Apple ruined my perfectly good phone for no discernible good reason". Since my disappointment (and financial loss) was directly caused by Apple's policies rather than any technological obstacle, I decided to not purchase products from a company whose policies I disagree with, if reasonable alternatives are available. Is that not fair?Back in the day, I had to reformat my PC hard drive after Sony's root kit debacle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal). Sony ended up on my blacklist; is that not reasonable? They cost me many hours of work, due to their policies which I obviously disagreed very strongly with.My wife uses an iPad. She keeps running into problems getting large video files from the device over to her PC. Of course, some way of getting the data transferred locally at high speed is called for. On her Android phone, she plugs in via USB and gets the job done in short order. - She is now at the next upgrade cycle, the iPad is getting a little old and slow. Guess what she wants? A Windows tablet or small laptop "that doesn't get in my way". She is disappointed with her iPad and is not buying another one.To cut a long story short, when a consumer is disappointed, they buy something else going forward. Those decisions are hard to change... once you've bought a lemon from a car company, you probably won't buy that brand again even if they make decent cars now... because now you found other solutions that you are happy with, why go back to something you got burned with in the past?

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 09:26:18 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on February 23, 2022, 09:17:48 pmYou pretty much answer that yourself in the next paragraph - users don't know about protocols and standards so are typically unable to say "I would like this to use XMPP". And even if they did, they can't vote with their wallet because some other feature might outweigh the disadvantages. It's like our alleged democracy - because one party got in it's assumed everyone voted for ALL their policies, whereas in fact a voter probably just got swayed by one or two and the rest came as baggage.

author: ve7xen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 11:39:49 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on February 23, 2022, 09:17:48 pmThe market is expressing its preference for slick products that work well, sure. They're not expressing a preference for vendor-locked protocols and products that constantly rent-seek. That the slick, well marketed products happen to be vendor-locked is at best incidental as far as they're concerned. They aren't thinking about interoperability, or the fact that this vendor-locking is being used against them. This is Apple's whole schtick. Users don't care about protocols and business models, they just want it to work well. They don't realize or care that these choices by Apple are what causes them not to be able to interoperate with each other. They just sigh and say 'I guess I'll get an iPhone next time'. Or more likely they've been platform-locked for a decade and don't even consider switching - and that's not accidental either.QuoteI guess I could qualify it with technical reason. The business reason for Apple is obvious. They want you captive on their platform. It goes a little further than just not creating standard, interoperable protocols though. They actively discourage or create friction for alternative options as well, by not allowing configurable defaults, enforcing strict 'privacy' rules, and so on.How great would it be if you had a choice of messaging providers that could all interoperate with each other. Pick one you trust, with policies you can get behind. Or even self-host, and you can chat with everyone from a single app/service, rather than using half a dozen, some of which you really hate? I can't imagine that consumers wouldn't get behind something like this, the problem is that it only works if everyone is behind it, and as long as Apple's obstructionist and holds a significant part of the market, it's a non-starter.QuoteSure it's hard to blame Apple, they're a corporation and they're going to extract as much profit as they can get away with. Blame lies with the courts, legislators, and regulators that have as yet failed to see any of this as anti-consumer or anti-trust behaviour that should be checked. It's way more damaging than anything Microsoft ever did, but Apple has found a clever loophole where they are 'not a monopoly' but through technological measures can cause all the same kinds of market distortions. And everyone else is now following them down this path, as they lead by example to a place I don't want the technology industry to go. So while I don't blame Apple per se, it doesn't mean I'm going to support them.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2022, 11:55:30 pm
content: QuoteOr even just browsers. On any other platform there are a plethora to choose from, but on iPhone there is webkit and.. that's it. Even Google's Chrome has to be lipstick on webkit, so no iPhone user could run a more up-to-date or feature-rich browser.

author: Fredderic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2022, 06:09:25 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on February 23, 2022, 11:55:30 pmWell… Not so much. For most people, it's basically Chrome, Firefox, Chrome, Chrome, Chrome, Chrome, or Chrome.Is one of the reasons I stick with Firefox… Wereallyneed to keep at least ONE decent alternative to Chrome in play on PC's and other non-Apple platforms as well — and as someone who uses both, I really do actually prefer Firefox anyhow. Chrome is my backup browser mostly for when I don't want to start Firefox (with the 13 windows, and over 2K open tabs — yeah, I probably need to clean those up. It's on my TODO list.), or for odd occasions when Firefox simply refuses to work with a page (it happens… it ALSO happens that Chrome sometimes does the same, so having a second browser with a different rendering engine is simply a good idea.)

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2022, 08:39:36 am
content: Quote from: Fredderic on February 24, 2022, 06:09:25 amIts much better now than 20 years ago, when M$ Internet Exploder was the only browser which worked on most sites. A lot of credit is given to Firefox and smaller browsers such as Opera for the current level of website-multi-browser-interoperability, but the fact that M$ failed on the smartphone is the main reason.

author: Fredderic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2022, 03:28:00 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on February 24, 2022, 08:39:36 amI don't know if that's "the main reason"… I recall IE struggling long before smartphones were a general thing. But I do believe we still face the very real possibility of going backwards again, if it becomes a Chrome monoculture.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2022, 11:09:52 pm
content: Quote from: Fredderic on February 24, 2022, 03:28:00 pmMonochrome?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2022, 11:26:02 pm
content: Quote from: Fredderic on February 24, 2022, 03:28:00 pmChrome (or at least most of it) is open source so anyone can make a fork. There's Chromium for those who just want Chrome without Google.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2022, 12:25:38 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on February 24, 2022, 11:26:02 pmChromium is not completely "without Google", as far as I got it.A completely "ungoogled" version exists:https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromiumThough, I tried it and upon fiddling with some settings, it did freeze badly hogging CPU resources, and it took me some time to kill it...So i guess it's not completely ready for prime time...

author: Fredderic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2022, 02:52:14 pm
content: I'm just waiting for the day when the kids don't remember that the thing chrome is used for, was once called "the internet".

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2022, 08:38:22 am
content: In 2015, over TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND different makes and models of Android smartphones existed (it’s probably more now), not to mention their DISASTROUSLY amusing attempt at tablets.So, the developers of Android apps have to ensure their apps will run on any one of these almost countless devices, with their different screen sizes, different processors, unknown versions of Android (maybe as far back as versions from 2011!!), not knowing whether the phone has the latest security updates to prevent malware, hacking etc, different EVERYTHING.Stuff that junk. Apple wins ALWAYS. This is my firm opinion after having given many, many Android phones a chance over the last 10+ years. The manufacturers always exaggerate claims of performance, and guaranteed ALWAYS fail to deliver on their promises, not one single exception.They abandon phones after a year or two (usually one year - you’ll likely see one or ZERO Android OS updates, as they just wanna “upgrade” you to their latest junk phone, which will end you up in exactly the same position in a year or two). Disgraceful, and ridiculous.My Mum’s 2015 iPhone SE (1) is on the very latest iOS (15.3) from 2021, and is working flawlessly and speedily. My iPhone 8 from 2017, also has iOS 15.3 and flies along, and will get iOS 16 later this year. That’s FIVE YEARS of iOS version upgrades (it came with iOS 11)Garbage Android. It only has exists to compete with iPhone. Google have been too preoccupied with “beating” (and hugely failing) Apple, instead of the pragmatic approach which would be to put blinkers on and work HARD to make sure that they are the best at what they do - NEVER MIND ANYONE ELSE - fix YOUR PROBLEMS.~

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2022, 11:10:14 am
content: We know you don't like it, but despite the flaws you may think you've spotted, there are far more users of Android than iOS so you're missing something.Why do you feel the need to keep banging on about this? You're not going to convert anyone and you're not exactly encouraging reasoned debate. AFAICS you just pop up to have another troll when you're bored, to blow off your frustrations (maybe with your phone?). Maybe you should seek professional help rather then pick virtual fights here.

author: Le_Bassiste
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2022, 01:36:59 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on February 14, 2022, 10:19:21 pmor, a cut-off finger or popped-out eyeball, for that matter.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2022, 11:43:17 pm
content: Indeed =)Actually, I use fingerprint on my phone because it's convenient AND I don't hold any critical information in it. I find having to enter a password every 3 days very annoying, for 2 reasons: entering passwords on a "small" touchscreen is very shitty, and you can't set the time period as I said, and it can also happen at the worst moment when you need to make a quick call, or something.But on a computer with a normal keyboard, I have no problem with passwords and would rather avoid biometric stuff.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2022, 01:06:48 am
content: QuoteCan't you enter a pattern instead?

author: Fredderic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2022, 03:38:55 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 05, 2022, 01:06:48 amThose patterns are horrible. Never use them. It's usually trivial to observe the pattern in fingerprint smudges — especially if you unlock the phone and immediately hand it to someone to use supervised (a very common case), as they can trivially note the sequence and then if they get their hands on it later unsupervised... Numeric codes are a little better, though not much (distinct button presses are a little harder to observe).That said, I remember my pin codes by pattern, not by the digits.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2022, 05:27:25 pm
content: I use a pattern on mine and even knowing what it is I can't see it in the smudges. But I don't use a screen protector, so perhaps they show a better record.

author: Terry Bites
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2022, 05:32:57 pm
content: To achieve full stupidity you need a good teacher- you cant be born that way.

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2022, 09:20:55 pm
content: Quote from: Terry Bites on March 07, 2022, 05:32:57 pmIs this the voice of experience?

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2022, 03:00:20 am
content: As to human stupidity:Quote

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2022, 05:47:45 pm
content: But back to reason for the topic in the first place: it's not about stupidity per se - it's about greed and control, on one side, ignorance and submission on the other side.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2022, 06:07:45 pm
content: And to answer the subject title: There isn't, because stupidity and ingenuity forms a ring, with a zone of chaos opposite to common sense.Starting at common sense, going past ingenuity, you get to the apparently chaotic zone that lead to the declaration that any sufficiently advanced technology is like magic; except that sufficiently advanced forms of rational thinking and logic are non-understandable to us normal humans.Starting at common sense, going past stupidity, you get to the chaotic zone where those performing the stupidity cannot express any reason to the choices and actions they made.It is well known that those two zones are just the two ends of the same chaotic zone. This is because sometimes an utterly stupid idea can lead to brilliant results, and an utterly brilliant idea can lead to horrible results, without any part of the event chain passing through the "common sense" zone. Politics is a perfect example of this: the systems that work best in practice are those that do not strive for the best possible utopia, but attempt to simply limit the damage done by stupid humans. Keep away from the chaos, and do only gentle changes in the direction.Furthermore, if we look at the time evolution of systems involving humans, we find that chaotic zones in the ring are actually a fractal, with the smallest density near the "common sense" zone. Because at the smallest scales the "stupidity-sensibility ring" is non-contiguous, it cannot have a proper mathematical limit either.The funny thing about this post is that I'm being absolutely serious here: this is a functional model for estimating human behaviour in the game theoretic sense.If one wants to be pretentious and artsy-fartsy about it, they can just laconically state that stupidity is the ring that binds us all (because this statement takes at least a couple of laps around this ring itself).

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2022, 06:22:09 pm
content: Quote from: eti on February 18, 2022, 09:27:40 amI keep getting awful Android developer ads when watching YouTube that make this video look like a compelling case of Android advocacy.