Typo vs Human Intelligence - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 01:17:32 pm
content: some people love to become a language teacher. so enjoy this paragraphQuoteif you give up or need detailed info, herehttp://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/lessons/can-you-read

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 02:20:18 pm
content: actually there is another aspect of this finding, if you write like your example then:- in Russia you will get married with a girl you don't know or will have to drink vodka whole week- in North Korea you will get killed because you probably a spy- in Arabic countries you will get stoned to death- in Poland your car will get stolen anyway- in Greece you will get Tsatsiki and Ouso even if you asked for Cola and Chips.- in Germany nobody will understand you - just because of pure ignorance (call it brainless if you wish)- in USA you will get "busted" because you probably Al-Qaedaand so on ... so even if human brain can recognize it you have to watch out where you live or write it

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 03:02:22 pm
content: you have such a diverse knowledge! but looking at all the options, i think i'll prefer to be in Russia, if i have no other choice

author: scrat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 03:09:27 pm
content: I'm not a good writer in English, I just try to do my best (so I won't correct you).I don't really like dull people, but since misunderstanding is so easy, I think that good writing makes a great difference.IMO, if you like the things well done, you'll like the well written text.For example, I often find it hard to understand slang expressions.Just think of it from our non-English-speaking point of view...

author: Sionyn
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timestamp: May 16, 2011, 03:18:11 pm
content: yep seen this before the mind is a beautiful thing just like the cosmosand since we are the cosmos or made from it we are a way for the cosmos to understand its self.well that what carl sagan saidhear some funny auto correctshttp://damnyouautocorrect.com/8394/15-most-popular-autocorrects-from-april-2011/

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 03:22:50 pm
content: Quote from: scrat on May 16, 2011, 03:09:27 pmsame here. the above example is the worst case scenario. i remember last time in another forum people arguing about whether to accept shortform handphone msg type of writing. i dont have problem with shortform as long as its commonly used and well known, even if its not, usually we still can understand from the whole sentence. its good to keep to the standard (full text), but some ppl just cannot take it (shortform). but i've never read about people arguing about shortform like afaik, fwiw, iirc etc etc. sobut still, keep to the full proper text is a better idea.

author: Frangible
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 04:34:34 pm
content: Sorry, that "Cambridge Word Scramble Study" is a hoax. That particular block only works because all the words in it are short and pretty much impossible to scramble properly. If it were true, then sentences containing longer words such as this:Quotewould be easily decipherable. BTW, none of the words in the quote are at all exotic - the first word is "Baseball".Here's the link to the blog where I found the scrambled sentence:http://scienceavenger.blogspot.com/2007/12/cambridge-word-scramble-study-its-fake.htmlThere is no replacement for concise and careful use of the language, whatever it may be.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 05:06:30 pm
content: It's still true that a sentence is still intelligible as long as the words aren't too scrambled so, the odd spelling mistake, missing the a letter out or transposing two letters won't make much difference.its stil ture tht a senentce is sitll intelagable as lng as the wrords arnt to srcmbled so, the od speling mstake, mising a leter out or transpsoing to leters wont make much diferance.

author: johnmx
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 06:02:36 pm
content: You can call it ‘The power of Mind’, ‘Human Intelligence’ or whatever you want. The real name isRedundancy.Our language has a lot of it, because without it would be very hard, or impossible, for us to memorize all words and recognize instantly their meaning.Digital communication systems don’t need redundancy in order to work, but it is used in order to enable error detection and to recover the original word.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 06:42:56 pm
content: Quote from: Frangible on May 16, 2011, 04:34:34 pmhonest! i only can make up the aeoulltsby = absolutely in less than a sec. with more thought i can make up the dvrseee = deserve, but true its hard to decipher. but look at the real spelling...Quote...i dont understand it either!and sllaimy != similarly.imo, its not we read as a "whole" but we try to build a sentence that make sense, ie previous word in a sentence will help in deciphering the later word, or maybe it is the same meaning as a "whole" whatever.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 07:43:32 pm
content: since there is argument, i made a few minutes scrambler program. i can say, i agree, this is not an established theory, so maybe its just a fake, like the rest of the gossip.... random paragraph from internet...Quotegive up? here.Quote

author: Rufus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 08:44:38 pm
content: The claimed (elsewhere not here) origin and what the text claims may be false but it remains and interesting and insightful illustration of how our brains work and what they are capable of.Taken alone each word is a partial anagram which we could mostly solve but not at anything like the speed we can solve whole sentences of them. The brain is very good at taking incomplete or corrupt information and using knowledge and other contextual information to complete or correct it. The example text isn't very corrupt and contains lots of quickly established context which is why we can read it almost as though it were not corrupt at all.We may not be aware of it but it takes a lot of processing power to do that. That is one reason why telephone conversations while driving can be so dangerous. Correcting/completing speech over a flaky radio link with background noise takes a lot of processing and you are usually under pressure to do it quickly. Add in processing for the actual conversation and driving and there isn't enough processing power to go around with possible disastrous consequences.

author: Sionyn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 08:58:58 pm
content: exactly it needs to be parsed

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 10:44:54 pm
content: Quote from: scrat on May 16, 2011, 03:09:27 pmI believe that being able to resolve the misunderstandings is a more valuable skill than avoiding them.Johnmx mentioned redundancy, I am not sure if that is true or not, but it would be much harder to understand abbreviated sentences (eg in text messages) if they are scrambled in a similar way. So maybe the point about redundancy is valid, or the human brain is plain lazy. It is also relevant that linguists insist that there are no true synonyms.Alex

author: PetrosA
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timestamp: May 16, 2011, 11:02:41 pm
content: Scrambled words are one cool thing that the brain can figure out, and it's interesting to see the limitations. Another interesting thing is that (at least with Latin based alphabets) we have a much easier time decoding words if the top part is visible instead of the bottom part. Most of you will see that there is actually more print visible when the top part is covered, but it's harder to figure out the words that with the little bit of print visible when the bottom part is covered. Cool, huh?

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 16, 2011, 11:17:37 pm
content: Very interesting.Sometimes communicating non-transcribed meanings to/from people of very different backgrounds can be so hard that a USB on-the-go connection would be a relief. But isn't that where the magic comes from? What you mean by what you say is almost always not exactly what the other person will understand. Is poetry analogous to Monte-Carlo simulations?Alex

author: ziq8tsi
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 01:46:30 am
content: Quote from: PetrosA on May 16, 2011, 11:02:41 pmThere is clearly more shape information encoded in the pattern of ascenders than there is in the descenders, because the latter are rare.The top halves are practically like a postal barcode.

author: PetrosA
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timestamp: May 17, 2011, 03:27:15 am
content: Oddly, it works even with all caps.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 04:38:39 am
content: QuoteIn digital communications, the message sent over a communications channel is made up of a finite number of symbols. Those symbols are grouped into codes. A good code would space the valid codes as far from each other as possible. (In contrast, that is not true of English. In fact, there are "codes" - two and too for instance - that translate into the same sequence of (spoken) "symbols".)Interestingly, ECC often works better when more raw data is examined at a time. In English, it's not possible to replace a missing letter in a sentence without looking at the letters surrounding it. It's sometimes possible to replace it by looking at the rest of the word, but the probability of success is much greater if the entire sentence is looked at, and even greater if the entire paragraph is looked at. The cost is increased processing power and more latency.Also, ECC has the potential to work better if when confidence values are given. When deciphering smudged words on a page, for example, the most smudged letters have the lowest confidence values and are the first ones to be substituted in trying to make sense of the words. Similarly, digital communications receivers can obtain confidence values by measuring the distance of received symbols to the nearest valid symbols, something that can be very useful in correcting for time varying noise. My friend Tiffany Yep has done some work on that idea and found it especially useful if the noise is somewhat predictable (microwave oven leakage, for example), although the increased processing power needed limits its application.Quote"IM speak" really is a form of compression. The same information is transmitted using fewer symbols. The trade off, of course, is increased processing power needed to decode it and much less resistance to noise.QuoteThat's a very good analogy (actually an example) of the difficulties in performing real time processing on a multiprocessing system. That is even more true when an unexpected delay could cause damage to the system being controlled. Hence the reason for using a dedicated controller to perform low level operations so the main processor can freely perform other tasks. I'm currently doing a lot of work on the use of microcontrollers in switching power supply control. In both of the systems I'm working on, the processor does not directly control the switching transistors. In fact, all the processor does is give directions to the actual controller, like a passenger giving directions to the driver. The processor can lock up entirely while the controller continues to operate or switches to a safe mode.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 06:42:35 am
content: Tiffany Yep a hundreds time! redundancy... "i aye want one to two too eat it you u !!!"ps: Tinfafy slohud meet Mr Aelrbt

author: johnwa
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timestamp: May 17, 2011, 11:57:53 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on May 17, 2011, 04:38:39 amYes, there is a fair bit of redundancy, I seem to recall reading figures of only a few bits per word (compared to say 30-60 when encoded as ASCII.) Plain text will compress quite well, e.g. in a ZIP file. (Sm lssy cmprssn cn b chvd by rmvng ll th vwls...).Redundancy also makes encoded messages easier to break. This was understood at least as far back as WWII, see the instruction manual for the Enigma:http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/documents/egenproc/page03.htm