Du you got aspergers, and does it explane your intrest in electronics? - Page 1
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author: ErikTheNorwegian
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2013, 11:09:56 pm
content: Du you got aspergers, and does it explane your intrest in electronics?Many engineers, EE people, geeks and likewise, got aspergers syndrome.Do you got it, and how does it affect your life regarding collecting things, jobs, need to know everything about certain subjects?Do you find it rewarding professionally and in your job as an engineer?Do yous see it as a strength, or is the other aspects of it to hard to cope with?Do you know others in your job that is in the spectrum? (No names please.. yes or no question).Do you collect things, and have a hard time to trow things away? ( I got 9 Fluke 87, need only two.. got 9 oscilloscopes. 8000 DVD/BD`s.)Tesla, Eddison, Henry Ford, Bill Gates and so on.. there are many of us..

author: MetraCollector
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 12:03:19 am
content: I sometimes refuse some social interactions and do not want to talk with people, but I think it is OK.Inteligent loneliness is better than stupid fellowship.

author: tom66
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 12:07:53 am
content: Yes, I do. It makes me a little socially awkward, but greatly improves concentration on my (now favourite) field of electronics.

author: Alana
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 12:13:19 am
content: There was a moment that i suspected that i have aspergers but it turned out i do not.I am socially awkward as hell but its more result of upbringing with home schooling and higher than usual intelligence level. To put it simply - i haven't had chance to get infected with social bullshit as a child and when my home schooling period was over i quickly realized that socialization is nothing more than a popularity contest and, if you want to be successful in that you have to put as much effort as it takes to learn 8051 assembly language, or even more. IMHO waste of time, brainpower and money.

author: IanB
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 12:16:33 am
content: Isn't this something that has to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist?I think it would be unwise to self-diagnose social awkwardness and geeky interest in certain subjects as being AS. There are many traits to human personality and many kinds of "normal" out there.You could draw a comparison with other dimensions of ability. Not everyone is a born athlete or sports person. If you demonstrate little athletic ability, are you different or abnormal?If you are an engineer of any kind, there may be no hope for you:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/21/engineers_cold_and_dead_inside/You are apparently an emotionless automaton with no feelings or empathy

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 12:24:13 am
content: Quote from: IanB on February 10, 2013, 12:16:33 amI agree.Correlation with possible symptoms you might find on Wikipedia/Internet does not equal causation, not by a long shot.And unless you have issues that are affecting your life, and you need help for it, labeling yourself into a group of people with a disorder is not a wise thing to do IMO.On the surface I have several of the Asperger characteristics, as I'm sure many of us could, as many of them are quite broad in scope. But I know they are due to other more obvious causes in my case.Dave.

author: tom66
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 12:33:36 am
content: I have been diagnosed by at least two psychiatrists. They both reckon I'm crazy.(Oh, and they said I do have aspergers and gave me ritalin on prescription, which I don't take any more as it has hardly any effect now.)

author: steve30
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 12:35:16 am
content: Do you got it, and how does it affect your life regarding collecting things, jobs, need to know everything about certain subjects?Yes, I have it. I have small collections of things like computers and test equipment (generally older stuff). With regards to jobs, I either can't do them, and when I can can, suffer discrimination. I do read a lot about subjects I find interesting.Do you find it rewarding professionally and in your job as an engineer?Not really as I don't work in the engineering industry. I may do at some point, so I'll leave it till then to find out if it helps.Do yous see it as a strength, or is the other aspects of it to hard to cope with?Both.TBH I did wonder when this subject would crop up. Seems to get quite a lot of coverage on some computer forums that I am a member of, but not seen it on an electronics forum yet.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 12:41:51 am
content: Quote from: IanB on February 10, 2013, 12:16:33 amA thousand timesthis. Asperger's gets a really bad rep in some places from people who are assholes, self-diagnose themselves with Asperger's because "I'm not good with people", and run around trying to pass it off as an excuse for their Acute Asshole Syndrome. I and the other members of my family with autism spectrum disorders would like to kindly request that they go to school and get a degree before they start making diagnoses.Quote from: EEVblog on February 10, 2013, 12:24:13 amTrue - but many people with Asperger's or other varieties of HFA do not realize it is affecting their lives. Sadly I've met many with a tendency to blame their problems on everyone else. A "label" can be the first step to getting help.

author: c4757p
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 01:01:19 am
content: Quote from: ErikTheNorwegian on February 10, 2013, 12:56:07 amQuote from: ErikTheNorwegian on February 10, 2013, 12:40:34 amSo how are you sure Tesla, Ford and Edison had Asperger's syndrome?

author: ErikTheNorwegian
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 01:03:23 am
content: The POLL score is really interesting... it would be fun to know how it in total represent the forum!Today, in the USA, one of every 88 child is in the autism spectrum (Not only aspergers but the whole spectrum), in South Korea, one of every 28 kid!!!Here in Norway, one of 130 kid.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 01:17:27 am
content: Frankly I think the whole idea of trying to identify famous dead people with ASDs cheapens the whole thing. As if somebody is insecure about it and has to reassure everybody that "I'm not making it up, Einstein had it too." Let the famous dead people rest in peace without having armchair psychiatrists trying to diagnose them for the rest of eternity, because it's not helping anyone.

author: c4757p
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 01:35:28 am
content: Quote from: ftransform on February 10, 2013, 01:27:27 amI don't think that's Asperger's, ftransform, I think you may be having seizures, or trying to type while taking a massive shit.

author: Stephenniall
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 01:47:32 am
content: I've had a formal diagnosis (Psychiatrist) of Asperger Syndrome since i was 8, I'm now sixteen. Mine is quite a mild form so i'm more 'socially aware' than many other 'aspies'. I've always been interested in things such as science,computers etc, and when i find myself liking something, i tend to go over the top with collecting stuff.I'm not a qualified engineer (Yet...), Yet i don't find it rewarding, nor i feel that it holds me back in any way. I do enjoy talking to people about it, and how i've come to terms with understanding my 'quirks', i do things that many [eople would find as odd, and i'm often seen as quite eccentric, Personally i like that.I've met quite a few people online with the same interests in electronics, computers etc, Yet have not met anyone in person with it as of yet, Personally i think many people will see one or two traits of Aspergers In themselfs and make a 'self-diagnosis'.I've always collected things, From my star wars figures when i was younger, to electronics stuff now!Hope that clears up a few of your questions !Stephen.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 01:50:33 am
content: Excuse my ignorance but..Is aspergers something that a doctor can 100% prove someone has, or doesn't have?Or is it a sliding scale of symptoms/characteristics where a doctor just classifies someone as having it when their behavior reaches a predefined medical textbook level?

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 01:56:33 am
content: Unfortunately, like many psych disorders it is a sliding scale. Personally I'd want more proof than one doctor saying I have it because of that - for me, I'm content with the fact that I've had three diagnose me very far up that sliding scale, as well as the fact that I'm part of a family tree branch full of people with both Asperger's and full-on autism (the kind nobody could ever mistake for anything else). But it could be relatively easy for one person to make a mistake and diagnose incorrectly.

author: Stephenniall
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 02:15:17 am
content: I suppose no body can say for sure that you have aspergers because of the wide spectrum... I had too see around three doctors here in the UK for a diagnosis...

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 02:16:15 am
content: I believe there is also some evidence that psychiatric disorders are diagnosed relative to societal norms. It's like if you were in a line of 100 people and 99 people stepped back, you would be the odd one out.IMHO, the essential requirements for living are something like:1. You should not harm yourself2. You should not harm others3. You should get along in society without upsetting peopleThe third one is where it gets interesting, because sometimes when people get upset and offended the problem is with themselves and not with the offender. If 99 people are offended by the actions of one individual, are the 99 people wrong or is the individual wrong? The situation is often quite unclear and out of this are lynch mobs born.

author: Stiege
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 02:18:37 am
content: I'm sure one of the questions for assessing if someone has Aspergers is "Do you enjoy maths?". I mean really, that just makes me think the whole condition is made up/ misunderstood.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 02:26:27 am
content: Quote from: Stiege on February 10, 2013, 02:18:37 amI have yet to be asked a question anything like that and I've been separately diagnosed three times. None of them would have given a crap if I enjoyed math(s).(I'd love to share what it actually was like but it's been so long that I really don't remember that well...)If that is used as a question, my guess is that the answer to the question isn't the data used in diagnosis, but thewayit is answered. Many people with Asperger's have a peculiar way they talk about things they are interested in, and probing for interests could provoke that.

author: ErikTheNorwegian
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 02:43:08 am
content: Quote from: ftransform on February 10, 2013, 01:27:27 amftransform,What in any way do that picture have to to with the topic?It only shows that you dont have a clue what the topic are..

author: c4757p
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 02:45:19 am
content: Quote from: ErikTheNorwegian on February 10, 2013, 02:43:08 amBe nice.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 02:47:33 am
content: Quote from: ErikTheNorwegian on February 10, 2013, 01:03:23 amThe poll will be useless unless it is reworded to include only those who have been professionally diagnosed.Dave.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 02:51:44 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on February 10, 2013, 01:17:27 amAnd it's simply not possible. Anyone who claims to be able to do it is kidding themselves, and likely has an ulterior motive.Dave.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 02:54:34 am
content: Quote from: ErikTheNorwegian on February 10, 2013, 02:50:19 amUmm, that sentence is kinda contradictory!Kinda like saying you know horoscopes are bunk, but it's fun to know what's in store for you this weekDave.

author: steve30
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 03:06:35 am
content: I got diagnosed by one psychiatrist back in 2005 when I was 14. He seemed confident that I had Asperger's Syndrome.Though, apparently I did see some psychologists or similar when I was very young because various people suspected I was autistic, but they ruled it out.

author: TerminalJack505
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 03:57:23 am
content: I don't have Asperger's but if I did I would keep it to myself. Especially when interviewing for a job.These days one of the biggest traits that employers look for is interpersonal skill. Like it or not, many employers will not take a risk on someone that they believe will not "work well with others"--no matter how skilled that person is in the field they are being interviewed for. (Obviously a potential employer will never admit that Asperger's is a factor when hiring since that would be discrimination.)I worked with a couple of people that I suspect had Asperger's and their anti-social attitudes affected the overall "team dynamic" negatively.

author: jaqie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 04:14:27 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 10, 2013, 12:24:13 amThis alone has doomed this thread from the start.I personally have been diagnosed as HFA NOS many times from childhood all the way through to about 5 years ago, and am 35 at this time, so I would call my own a confirmed diagnosis. People seem to not only not understand the diagnostic criterium for disorders, but also seem to self diagnose much of the time, or believe one quack who told them they had it when many others in the know would never diagnose that set of symptoms they have as such.For those that do not know, there is something called the clinical threshold. This is for all disorders, not just this one. To meet the clinical threshold and be called a disorder or problem, the disorder symptoms must negatively impact the person's life in a quantifiable manner.Then there are co-morbidities, which is medical speak for other stuff that is there at the same time. Many things can cause the same symptom set that is used to diagnose HFA and asperger's, and it takes a real expert and in the case of HFA and asperger's it also takes a lot of knowledge from the patient's childhood to diagnose either.In short, I am saying that Dave is correct here, and explaining more about how and why.

author: steve30
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 04:33:42 am
content: Quote from: ErikTheNorwegian on February 10, 2013, 03:14:46 amWell, I'm 22 now and I haven't outgrown it yet

author: smashedProton
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 04:33:58 am
content: I agree that people should hide disabilities/disorders/ etc.. Within reason of course. You could sacrifice your career by being put on the "low track" straight out of high school. From my personal observations (i dont claim to be an expert), people are increasingly using disorders as an excuse for misconduct.I have been diagnosed over the years with ADD (because I could not pay attention to my burnt out teacher in grade school) , aspergers, underdeveloped prefrontal cortex (just like every other teenager), and executive skills dis function. Doctors have also put my on numerous psychoactive drugs like antidepressants and riddalin. They are mind altering shit. If there are any parents with autistic children that read this, please think about putting your child on these drugs. They can potentially screw up the way your child's brain develops. I could talk about the killers on psychoactive drugs... And ptsd vets who develop impulsive reactions and hallucinations. What killed Chris Kyle the other day. I read his book too... good manI have spent 4 years isolated from the other kids in my school, and doing 'social skills training', riding the short bus to school. That is not a good way to grow up... Who in their right mind would think that isolating children from social situations will make them more social? The committee for public education no doubt.Well, my point is that I have had to do a ton of catching up to do because of the years that i lost 'doing drugs and learning social skills' . But now I am obsessed with electronics!It makes you feel really special knowing things in high school by simply tinkering, that sadly too few people now days that have developed the capacity to understand.

author: jaqie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 04:39:36 am
content: Quote from: steve30 on February 10, 2013, 04:33:42 amHFA is not something that can be outgrown. Anyone that claims they "outgrew it" does not and never did have it.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 04:46:34 am
content: @smashedProton: Sadly it is easy to suppose that the education system is geared more towards training children to conform and to be obedient and less about educating children to think and to question what they are told. From the perspective of the political elite, educated people are dangerous people. If there were too many educated people in society, wealthy and privileged politicians would not get elected because voters would see through the bullshit. Educated people must be controlled and managed at all costs.

author: smashedProton
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 05:00:00 am
content: Crikeyl, there needs to be more engineers in government! Dave Jones 2017! He wasn't born in the United States. But then again, neither was Obama!

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 05:11:03 am
content: jaqie, you're right, it can't literally be "outgrown". However, people do change and develop as they age, and people who once found it difficult to live with can learn to deal with it. That is "outgrowing" it in a way.When I was a young kid, I was pretty much miserable to be around for anybody who didn't know me well. Many kids with Asperger's are. It didn't help that despite being closely related to a large number of people with autism spectrum disorders, my parents never considered that I might have it (which the psych found absolutely shocking considering how obvious a case I was), so I was never taught how to deal with it. Most other kids would realize I was "different" and pretty much ignore me, so I never learned. When I went to college, my roommates had the balls to just tell me what I was doing that bothered people, and I was able to learn that way. I still very much have it, and I still have to put a lot of effort into managing it, but from the outside many people have no idea. Sometimes people pick up on the fact that I'm a bit "slow", but I am not obnoxious anymore - I outgrew thebehavior. The stereotypical behaviors aren't a direct symptom of Asperger's, they are an effect of the environment that some Asperger's kids grow up in.I don't think the intent was to say that people literally outgrow it, as in they no longer have HFA, but that it can become significantly less debilitating as someone grows up.

author: jaqie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 05:18:02 am
content: You mean learn to compensate. That is almost the exact opposite of outgrowing something.I have learned to compensate quite a bit for and adapt to my HFA. That does not mean it does not exist anymore, nor does it mean it ceases to affect my life or me. Someone can learn to get around pretty good in a wheelchair, that is compensating for and adapting to not being able to walk anymore, it is not the same as being able to walk all of a sudden. Clear analogy I am able to draw especially since I have recently become dependent on a wheelchair.

author: smashedProton
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 05:22:18 am
content: I'm in on the same boat that you are. Its really odd that people wont tell me if I am doing something wrong. It's not like I'm going to get angry at them or anything.But aspergers shouldn't be something that you are proud of. Tesla lived practically his entire life unhappy, but at the same time he worked for free on technologies that he believed would change the world for the better. By no means would you be a prodigy solely because you have aspergers.

author: c4757p
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 05:27:07 am
content: Quote from: jaqie on February 10, 2013, 05:18:02 amMe too, and it affects my life a hell of a lot less now. Sure, it's still there, but my life has improved significantly. All the way from elementary school through high school (sorry, I know this isn't a U.S.-centric forum, and I know they're called something different in different places, but... oh well, deal with it) I had literally not a single friend because I pretty much treated everyone like crap. Now that I've learned to "compensate" I do have a few very good friends, and even those who aren't friends generally don't find me intolerable. That is ahugeimprovement. Sure, I still have to deal with it internally, but I'd say there was a big enough change between then and now that I "outgrew"something. My quality of life has improved so much. Maybe "outgrow" isn't thebestchoice of words, but I'm OK with it. I don't really think "compensate" is all that accurate, either.

author: smashedProton
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 05:33:00 am
content: This thread reminds me of the movie "a beautiful mind" really good

author: c4757p
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 05:40:09 am
content: Quote from: smashedProton on February 10, 2013, 05:22:18 amI know! It was so amazing when I got to college and my roommates were bold enough to speak up - nobody ever was before. Forget angry, I was delighted! And they didn't really seem generally pissed at me for being the way I was, they more seemed like they knew I didn't realize it and they wanted to be helpful. (I suppose it probably helped that we tended to playfully tease each other a lot, so they knew that if I took something as an insult they could turn it around into a joke and make a decent recovery)QuoteI don't think it's something to be embarrassed of, either. Sure, it might be beneficial to hide it during job interviews and the like, but otherwise, it's part of who you are - you're stuck with it whether you like it or not - and it's no good to go through life embarrassed of yourself. We don't exactly need to start having autism pride parades, but I wish people would be a bit more open about it sometimes. Remember when I said how much my life improved when I found out I had it and learned to deal with it? Know how I found out? Not from people around me telling me about it - a lot of my family has it, but it's a section of my family my parents never talked to much, so I didn't know. No, the first time I heard about it was during a South Park episode, when I thought it sounded interesting and started doing research of my own. If more people were open about their various psychological and mental "differences", maybe more kids like me (and their parents) would figure it out sooner and solve some problems instead of waiting until they just randomly hear about it at some point in time. (Also maybe people would stop using their diagnoses and self-diagnoses as excuses for misbehavior if it were considered more 'normal')

author: Mechatrommer
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 05:56:07 am
content: more information on HFA...http://www.hfa.org/and this one below is from Wiki (backed by references), not me:Quote from: Wikihope it helps.

author: jaqie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 05:58:03 am
content: That's just it, high functioning autism is not a disorder, it is a difference from normal development and neurotypical response. Just like with everything else, humans tend to make anything that is not the norm (or that is not the desired value) into a disorder or disease or problem to be eliminated or ignored or various other detrimental things.I have HFA. What's that mean? I am not victim of anything, I think and act differently than neurotypical people. That's it! nothing more nothing less, though there are many more details that can be discussed, this is the core of it. We are marginalized by people because we do not think of things nor act nor react in the expected neurotypical fashion - which to me is actually quite disordered in and of itself, where you are expected to hide things from people, expected to lie, take advantage of situations, et cetra. In my opinion, neurotypicals are those that are disordered, and I am one of the fortunate few that can see it, but if I allow others to know that I am not neurotypical I am the one that is marginalized. It is made to be our problem and not theirs because their ways of doing things are the desired ways by most of society.I have HFA. I love having it, I am very very glad I have it. If I did not, chances are I would be a much worse person. What I do not like is being marginalized for being non neurotypical. To avoid this, I and others like me have to learn to "fake" or "mimic" the way neurotypicals interact with eachother. That is a necessary learned skill for us in this life, one that is inherent to them. At times I drop the facade, and when I do I learn the true nature of people and how truly good or bad they are. Through having to learn to adapt to and compensate for not being neurotypical I have come away with a great advantage to those who did not have to go through the process of consciously learning so much - I am awake and aware in a way that very few people are, and wouldn't trade that for anything.I have used that since then to my advantage in all areas of my life, and that learned methodology and conscious analyze and apply has come in greatly handy in many things, including electronics and computers.Yes, I am very proud to have HFA.

author: c4757p
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:11:33 am
content: Quote from: jaqie on February 10, 2013, 05:58:03 amGodI hate that word. It sounds soweaselly! What's wrong with "normal"? A "norm" is an average, and most people do not have HFA, so people without HFA arenormal. "Neurotypical" just reminds me too much of marketing/pointy-haired-boss language: "leverage" rather than "use", etc., to make someone sound more important. You're not insulting yourself by saying you're not normal. Avoiding basic descriptive words like that just adds to the stigma of psychological disorders as something to be embarrassed of, and we don't need more of that.

author: jaqie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:14:49 am
content: My point flew like a 747 right over your head.neurotypical is *NOT* normal.HFA is *NOT* a disorder, and it is not even psychological in nature. it is a NEUROLOGICAL difference.You show your bigotist nature.Or perhaps you dislike words you do not understand. neurological seems to be one of them.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:28:34 am
content: Quote from: jaqie on February 10, 2013, 06:14:49 amNo, I'm just not commenting on it, I'm commenting on something else.QuoteWhat exactly do you think "typical" means? You even used the term "norm" to describe not having HFA!QuoteWikipedia defines autism as a disorder and that's good enough for me. Perhaps you don't like the term, so don't use it yourself, but I will.QuoteThe two are not mutually exclusive.Quote"Bigotist"? You meanbigoted? How in hell am I a bigot?QuoteI made a comment about disliking a certain word and you chose to attack me personally? I was just having a polite discussion. I never said anything bigoted - I'm really not even sure what you think I'm bigotedagainst. And you're sure not one to talk about "not understanding words" when you say things like "bigotist"...

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:33:38 am
content: I have a profound suspicion of popular Psychology.You see headlines that say "Successful Business people share many mental traits with Psychopaths",& crap like that!Is Kerry Stokes going to kidnap people & cut them up with a chainsaw?---------I dont think so!When I was a kid,I had Bronchial Asthma,& the current theory in vogue amongst medicos was that it was "a Psychological disorder".---Mummy took your Teddy bear away!!Of course,popular fiction lapped up this idea,& had a field day with the "weakling" character with Asthma,holding back the bold heroes,before expiring in a suitably messy manner.Times changed,& it was realised that Asthma had real,physical causes,& emotional distress among patients was the result,not the cause.Now it has gone full circle,with Asthma regarded as a "Life threatening" ailment with the implied:-"You've got Asthma--Oh God,don't die here!"The story now is :"You never grow out of Asthma"---Sorry,but I did grow out of it!--Ok,a few wheezes & stuff ,prone to 'flu,but full blown Asthma-No!It can kill you,no doubt,but so can lots of stuff.All this leads up to the fact that I was very timid about mentioning Asthma when I first started work,& it definitely influenced my social life.If everything you read tells you that you are a weakling with a Disease which is "All in the mind",it does have an adverse affect on you.By the way,you left the "Haven't got a clue" option out of the Poll.

author: Stiege
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:34:27 am
content: This is probably why some people would say discussing mental health on an electronics forum has a tendency to go off topic, despite the intention of discussing it with regard to electronics to begin with.

author: jaqie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:35:42 am
content: last response to you,c4757p- you obviously have no idea what several medical terms I use mean. Your ignorance is showing.I have not and do not attack people, and you know it. I am done responding to you - what I have been saying is definitely beyond your will to understand.------------------------I totally agree with your intent, Stiege. I wish this would have been locked long ago. As I said earlier, this thread was doomed from the start. Problem is, HFA is not a mental health issue. As I said, it is neurological, not psychological in nature.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:36:15 am
content: Besides,mypoint also went overyourhead. I think I had a fairly sensible criticism of "neurotypical", such that even if you disagreed with it you could have actually argued against what I said, rather than resorting to calling me a bigot and accusing me of not understanding what "psychological" means. Unlike yourvery sound argumentthat I am a bigotist, I explained myself. I'll do it again: I think that using made-up words when normal ones suffice makes us sound like we are embarrassed of our (disorder - condition - syndrome -difference- whatever term you think is acceptable) and adds to the existing stigma against us. What's wrong with that, and more importantly,how the hell is it bigoted??Quote from: Stiege on February 10, 2013, 06:34:27 amSorry

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:38:18 am
content: Quote from: jaqie on February 10, 2013, 06:35:42 amHow does that dilute the point I made? I wasn't talking about anything medical.Quote from: jaqie on February 10, 2013, 06:35:42 amOh for god's sake don't be cowardly. I'm not trying to attack you, I'm trying to figure out why you said what you did. If you think I'm wrong, why not explain it?

author: jaqie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:41:25 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on February 10, 2013, 06:36:15 amQuoteI was. My points are still going right over your head. Here, let me help you since you seem to be unwilling or unable to look up some very basic terms.http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/neurologicalhttp://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/neurotypicalhttp://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/bigothttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/-ist

author: TerminalJack505
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:46:42 am
content: Quote from: ErikTheNorwegian on February 10, 2013, 02:48:07 amBBM (Bold By Me.)

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:48:34 am
content: I'll see your "neurological" definition and raise youpsychological. How is that not appropriate? Autism has to do with the mind, does it not? An autistic mind functions differently.QuoteQuoteYup...On "bigot" - cansomebody elsepleasechime in and tell me how I'm being a bigot? I don't think I'm being a bigot - am I? Because if I am I'm seriously confused. Or are you one of those people who think that everybody who has a different opinion is "bigoted" against your own? Could you please explain who you think I'm bigotedagainst? If it's justyou- I am not being intolerant, and the only animosity I'm showing is towards your rudeness, not your opinions. I disagree with your opinions, I don't dislike you because of them. I dislike you because you're rude and go around calling people bigots.

author: jaqie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 06:53:33 am
content: You need to look up at my previous posts. these are facts, not opinions. if you had read medical journals, like I have, you would know that HFA and asperger's are neurological in nature, not psychological. I pointed that out several times, and you ignore it.The truth is not democratic, this is a very simple fact you seem to not understand. HFA and asperger's are not psychological conditions, they are neurological traits.This has been a large part of my original point which you still seem ignorant to, and it seems that is intentional and has been for quite some time.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 07:00:34 am
content: Quote from: jaqie on February 10, 2013, 06:53:33 amThe difference here is not between "psychological" and "neurological", it's between "condition" and "trait". I agree that they are traits. You are correct there. They are sets of symptoms that people can be diagnosed with - those are traits.The thing is - I never commented on that. I made a completely separate point about disliking the word "neurotypical" and you called me a bigot. What the hell? Your point didn't go over my head,I agreed with itand so felt it required no comment. You still have yet to explain how I am a bigot.Quote from: jaqie on February 10, 2013, 06:53:33 amWhat?? I was "ignorant to" your point because, as I said,I agreed with it! Sure, I chose a different word (psych. vs. neuro.), and sure, that might not be the most medically accurate choice of words, but the basic argument (HFA/Asperger's are traits, not "conditions") I did not comment on because it made sense.Am I the only person here who does not think I am an idiot or a bigot?

author: jaqie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 07:05:56 am
content: You REALLY need to read the definition for neurological and psychological and learn the differences between them. As I said several times, your ignorance is showing, and you are speaking the same way a bigot would because of it. You are still ignoring my original point and this fact through this entire thing. You chose a term, you chose the wrong term - and because of choosing the wrong term you are calling it something it isnt, which indicates either bigotry or ignorance. You are one or the other, and at this point it is blatantly obvious youwish to beinstead of actually looking up the terms you are using and applying them to things they do not belong applied to.At this point, I can't figure out if you are a bigotist, willing ignoramus, or troll. Whichever you are, after this much discussion and this much of you outright refusing to learn what the words you are using mean, it is 100% intentional and I truly hope you get at least talked to if not banned from the forum for it, and hope this thread is locked and/or wiped of all of this intentional whatever it is you have been doing.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2013, 07:18:50 am
content: Oh, for fuck's sake I give up. You're seriously calling me a bigot for confusing "psychological" and "neurological"? Damn, all this time I was sure you were mad at me for the term "weaselly". The distinction between those words has absolutely nothing to do with the point I made, which is what I was damn sure you called me a bigot for. Next time somebody asks youwhyyou called them a bigot, please actually explain so they can write you off a bit sooner as someone who thinks people who mix up words are bigots.QuoteI'm not a bigotist because nobody is a bigotist,for god's sake stop saying that. What you are accusing me of being is abigot, and I'm pretty sure I'm not one of those. I'm also pretty sure I'm not a troll. That leaves "willing ignoramus", which I will go with because I like the word "ignoramus". I will get to work immediately making my "Willing Ignoramus" name tags so people don't have to go to such trouble to figure it out from now on.QuoteBanned from the forum? I must really be an ignoramus then, I'm pretty sure I'm far off from that kind of transgression. Unless the rather large off-topic deviation here pisses off Dave, that is, which I suppose it may. But for my supposed "bigotry"? Really?

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: February 10, 2013, 07:45:03 am
content: Congratulations jaqie & c4757p, you just got this thread locked.Dave.