Ahmed's family case against the city and ISD dismissed (a.k.a Clock Boy) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2018, 03:04:14 pm
content: I usually don't post such topics here, but since this was the topic of avery long discussiontwo years ago (with an epic ending by Dave), here it is:https://www.dallasnews.com/news/irving/2018/03/14/clockboy-ahmed-mohamed-lawsuit-irving-isd-city-dismissed

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2018, 04:16:15 pm
content: Good. Hopefully they will order the greedy family to pay the legal fees.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2018, 07:16:56 pm
content: For a brief moment, I thought that the thread title was referring tothatAchmed!-George

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2018, 07:43:30 pm
content: Seems like a good timing given we just moved our clocks forward.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2018, 07:48:05 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on March 15, 2018, 04:16:15 pmHe did! "The judge also ordered the family to cover all of the costs of the lawsuit."<https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Judge-Slams-Door-on-Further-Litigation-By-Clock-Boy-Family-476887763.html>

author: CNe7532294
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2018, 11:26:07 pm
content: Good GOOD.I'm too late to this discussion here but I have a lot to say about this sham. Here's the condensed version.This should have stopped at we're sorry you got arrested but please understand what you did can scare people. I could make the same argument as the clock boy family by claiming I want to be a machinist then bring a prototype gun that doesn't function to school and show off my skills (and later get funded/sponsored by the NRA). No sane person would put blame on a kid but on the father instead. Father knew what was happening and played a lot of loony sympathizers like a fiddle. The father is a charlatan and for that I despise him and people like him. Claims to want to establish a household in America but goes off overseas at the first possible chance instead. Never in my life have I've seen such publicly sanctioned racism under the guise of combating the racist policy of racial profiling (which there was no intent of by the way). I lost respect for the circus parading this kid around as if he actually stood up for something or made a contribution like "finding the cure to cancer".Now back to the topic at hand. Good call by the judge. Decency won today. I don't feel bad that the family will have to pay legal fees because by the end of the day they won't. As mentioned above, there'll either be nutter donors or overseas sympathizers to pick up the tab. Here's one: The Qatar Foundation. Source:http://time.com/4080463/clock-kid-ahmed-moving-to-qatar/

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 02:01:59 am
content: Quote from: CNe7532294 on March 15, 2018, 11:26:07 pmI would choose a better example. To make something in the shape of a gun is a deliberate design decision. It could only everbea gun. This kid's clock was perceived to be something it wasn't - and that was ONE interpretation of the appearance.Further, that was done by someone (actually, a number of people) without any fundamental understanding of electronics who was (quite likely) influenced by Hollywood. Hollywood only ever shows stuff like that when it's a bomb ... never when it's some kid's hobby project.IMO, the arrest was over the top when the device had not been properly identified.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 03:27:01 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on March 16, 2018, 02:01:59 amI guess that you didn't bother to read any of the articles. The boy wasn't arrested for making or possessing a bomb, he was explicitly arrested for possession of a FAKE bomb. Display of even a fake bomb is illegal in most, if not all, states in the US. The cops called this one exactly right.Here is a copy of the Texas law for those of you can that CAN read:(a)?A person commits an offense if the person knowingly manufactures, sells, purchases, transports, or possesses a hoax bomb with intent to use the hoax bomb to:(1)?make another believe that the hoax bomb is an explosive or incendiary device; ?or(2)?cause alarm or reaction of any type by an official of a public safety agency or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies.(b)?An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.<codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-46-08.html>

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 03:57:33 am
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on March 16, 2018, 03:27:01 amWhich is a terrible legal standard.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_Mooninite_panichttps://medium.com/@starsandrobots/understandably-cause-for-alarm-1f0929be0615

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 04:13:53 am
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on March 16, 2018, 03:27:01 amI don't debate that as being fair and reasonable - but what defined it as a fake bomb rather than a real clock? I'll just blame Hollywood.Anyway, I'm not going to debate this since there is an understandable concern for public safety.

author: CNe7532294
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 04:40:49 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on March 16, 2018, 02:01:59 amPoint taken and agreed on the "deliberate design of a gun". I can also agree with the Hollywood comment. That being said I still stand by my example in the overall view of things (the picture of the clock itself is worth a 1000 words). This is why I have to call the arrest, justified, regardless of who you are. Its normal police procedure to arrest anyone (including an innocent person) at the scene of a crime anyways (which this is, making fake bombs is against the law) then sort out who is who. I've seen a classmate who came in with a bullet casing to tell a story behind it. Got called to the assistant dean and cops got involved as well as a psychiatrist. He was labeled as a threat and I too thought that was over the top but by the end of it all, nothing happened. Everything went on as normal. No escalation. No media circus. No mass idiotic reactions. Kid understands not to do it again because they calmly explained to him what he had done wrong and why they did what they did while the kid is a reasonable kid. Everyone is "cool". Life went on without damaging anyone's image.Here's another scenario. What if an over enthusiastic kid making semiconductors decided to bring a piece of his lab to school for show and tell? What if there were bottles labeled with "acid", "skull and crossbones", "explosive", "hazard", etc. Especially if they took this stuff out into a class that is not related to science (clock boy took out his clock in english class...). Would you not consider that a bomb threat if you didn't know what those symbols actually mean? Not everyone is into science. An english teacher is only there to teach english and fellow classmates certainly will make things worse.On that subject of semiconductor making. This kid in this video link deserves more recognition than he'll ever get but will probably only get 25% of what clock boy actually got because hes not "edgy" on any taboo subjects. At least he will never get into trouble because he has such great parents to guide him properly.Lastly, this is not aimed at you or anyone specifically. There is a very flawed mentality that has taken hold of a lot of people as of late. I despise this thinking that we should victimize someone and "right this terrible wrong" among other things. I believe I've fully described what kind of mentality I'm talking about in my 2 posts.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 04:42:42 am
content: What a bunch of idiots to even raise a legal case.They got media coverage most people can only dream of, and Ahmed had no end of amazing offers as a result.But nope, let's sue and move to Qatar

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 04:50:44 am
content: Quote from: CNe7532294 on March 16, 2018, 04:40:49 amFair point. I can understand police stepping in to control a situation of unknown risk and that sorting things out can happen at a later date when the situational variables have been removed. So, OK on the arrest, then.The circus that followed, though ...

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 05:46:46 am
content: The key word in that law isINTENT! Was it intended as a fake bomb to scare people? Should we arrest anyone with a paper mache ball and fuse for a cartoon themed school play? Stopping someone to asses a threat is one thing, but it shouldn't take a genious to realize there was no explosive in that breifcase.Second, did you just say it was totally ok for a kid to be arrested, phyciatrically analyzed and told what he did was "wrong" because he had anEMPTY CASING?! Now, if he was telling some disturbing story...then maybe...but if it was a case of he dug up a civil war or wild west casing in his backyard and brought it to his history class...Security theater garbage...

author: CNe7532294
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 07:43:13 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on March 16, 2018, 05:46:46 amYou misunderstood the context of what I'm trying to say. I only included the bullet casing story to show that people have been arrested in a worse manner but nothing bad came out of it. As for the rest I think I clearly explained it above. In short, yes I would at the very least question someone doing something that does not fit into a particular environment. Paper mache bomb thrown in the dean's office for example.As forintent, I 100% agree. Currently, I can't prove that, beyond a reason of a doubt, this clock project was designed to incite some sort of response. Some even say the father was behind it or fully supported it as a means to gain power but that really can't be proved. Truthfully, I dropped this story once the circus ended and my coworkers stopped talking about it. Still,intentworks both ways.Where is the proof that racists exist in that school or Irving? They had no case and that is the sham of this circus. This is the sham that continues even today. People often confuse being arrested with being jailed. More importantly, people often confuse an accusation, an indictment, and a conviction. These are all very very different from each other. This is ultimately what I absolutely ABSOLUTELY DESPISE about the world today. In a mere instant your reputation can be in ruins. The true victim here is the City of Irving and maybe the state of Texas itself. The perpetrator being not really the kid but the mass circus that follows. A lot of people ridden on like the ship of fools they are or were. For some reason Texas was considered a racist state when a mere visit to it's cities (Houston, San Antonio, El Paso, to name a few and yes even Dallas) will prove otherwise. Just don't do anything stupid, respect the culture and laws, and you're fine. Pretty much the advice you'd hear on a foreign trip. This place isn't 1930s Germany. Sorry. I have no shame and I'm proud of being able to have lived in this state. Flaws and all.As for security theater, agreed on that. Life was so much better in the 90s. I could literally do whatever I wanted and no one would question it. However, 09/11/2001 happened. America changed that day and will forever be changed. Other places in the world might be easily forgiving and forgetful but ~3,000 died that day. Where my parent saw the moon landing at my age at the time, I had the pleasure of watching thousands of people die live on TV in school. I don't have a satisfactory answer to changing this environment back to what it once was. I wish we could go back and pretend it didn't happen. That is well beyond the scope of my abilities though. Logically imho change will most certainly come from denying radical Islamic terrorism (or whatever its called) its place in the world. Very much like we've denied the Ku Klux Klan.Quote from: Brumby on March 16, 2018, 04:50:44 amTotally agreed.That is when I knew modern day racism was alive and well. Its just not the type of any pre-1960s footage from history class we end up visualizing about. A reminder that a requirement of racism is prejudice which comes from pre justice or pre judgement. These meaning that making a judgement before all the facts are in.

author: IanMacdonald
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 08:38:15 am
content: Incidents of this kind underline that paranoia still lurks only just below the consciousness waterline in the mind of the modern human. We are, after all, evolutionally only a few hundred years advanced from the witch hunters of the middle ages, so perhaps that is not so surprising.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 09:09:49 am
content: I'm glad the EEVblog meetup in April last year didn't get raided. With all the show and tell stuff there, it would have made world headlines...!

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 02:47:20 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on March 16, 2018, 09:09:49 amOMG, lithium batteries! "Bombs" everywhere!EDIT: That brings up a point...you arrest kids for fake bombs...yet they already all carry a small grenade of energy in their pockets...

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2018, 06:19:59 pm
content: The wheels of justice can turn very slowly at times but in this case at least it seems to have reached a just decision.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 18, 2018, 10:14:54 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on March 16, 2018, 06:19:59 pmHow many man hours did this entire case waste I wonder?Probably even more than the original hoopla.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 11:12:42 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 18, 2018, 10:14:54 pmYeah, unfortunately it is very hard to guess as there are three parties to account for (accuser's law firm, public defendants and the judge).At any rate, it is a waste of useful resources of a system already backed up - no wonder it took about two years to get to this case.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 11:23:32 am
content: Quote from: helius on March 16, 2018, 03:57:33 amTo be fair, the law seems to indicate that the thing has to be manufactured with the express purspose of causing alarm rather than simply causing alarm in the first place. However, the latter seems to have become the standard in recent years. Widespread paranoia and fear causes peope to have hair triggers, yet you are somehow held responsible if a minor action causes a huge response.I'd say the people feeding the public reasons to be afraid on a daily basis should be held responsible, but that might drift into political discussions.

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 11:28:48 am
content: I think the people who supported Clock Boy have a lot to answer for. They leapt to support him without any consideration for the wider context. His sister had previously been suspended in relation to a bomb hoax, something she was subsequently cleared of, but it gave some context, and the father was well known to the authorities. Clock Boy himself was probably an innocent victim but the sensation around the event was highly political.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 11:52:40 am
content: Quote from: NivagSwerdna on March 19, 2018, 11:28:48 amWhich is?QuoteYou said it yourself, "was probably an innocent victim", in which case what's wrong with supportinghim?As for my video, I'll stand by it even though many have asked me to remove it. Screw them. I'll support a14yonerdy (by all accounts) kid bringing tech to school and having them over-react every time. I'll do what I can to encourage a young kid like that regardless of his family circumstances.Whether or not he actually did it on purpose we'll never know unless he admits it.And at the time of making the video, the news about his sister and father hadn't surfaced yet.I did however know at the time that it was clearly an off the shelf clock taken apart, but I'm wasn't going to laugh at a 14yo kids skill level unlike many people.I was very disappointed when he (admittedly undeservedly, but that's the game of life) had offers galore and maybe a shot at his MIT dream and then his father whisks him away to frigg'n Qatar to study religion, an intellectual black hole where apostasy is punishable by death. Poor Ahmed, he needed to go study the Art of Electronics, not the quran

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 12:06:14 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 19, 2018, 11:52:40 amThat support blew everything out of proportion to such an extent that the poor kid doesn't even live in the US any more.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 12:51:21 pm
content: Quote from: NivagSwerdna on March 19, 2018, 12:06:14 pmThat choice was AFAIK essentially the sole decision of the father, and made vastly worse by him, his history, and his willingness to mouth off (and then sue). I'm sure it would have turned out quite a bit different if he had come out and laughed about it and said something like "haha, it's all big mis-understanding, he's just a clever nerdy kid" et.al.The father blew it, and everyone paid the price.Yes, the praise heaped on him as some sort of child genius was ridiculous and unwarranted, but that's not to say that supporting him wasn't the right thing to do. He was14 years old.

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 01:35:12 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 19, 2018, 12:51:21 pmHe was a naughty 14yr old who didn't put the clock away despite being told by two teachers to do so. The clock looked dodgy to someone who was unfamiliar with clock, hoax bomb & real bomb classification. IMHO The authorities blew it by hand cuffing the kid (presumably following some protocol) as the hand cuffed whilst wearing a NASA T-shirt image was dynamite but in the end it was a political agenda that took it from naughty boy to boy genius status.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 01:49:33 pm
content: Yes, if Obama had a son, he'd look like Ahmed.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 02:32:15 pm
content: Quote from: NivagSwerdna on March 19, 2018, 01:35:12 pmI still think the school overreacted. If he was being naughty messing around with the clock in class, rather than paying attention, then the correct course of action would be to confiscate the clock and give him detention, not call the police.The school knew the clock wasn't a bomb, otherwise they would have evacuated the building and the police would have contacted bomb disposal, to investigate and deactivate the device.I agree about the boy's farther being the worst culprit here. He could have got his son into a good university, to study electronics, not religion.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 19, 2018, 11:52:28 pm
content: Quote from: NivagSwerdna on March 19, 2018, 01:35:12 pmThen why didn't they just confiscate it and give him detention?Everyone screwed up here, the issue could have been resolved at any point along the authority chain.QuoteYes, that photo made the story. Without that I think it wouldn't have made any mainstream news.

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 12:07:38 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 19, 2018, 11:52:28 pmContext.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Elhassan_Mohamedis his father, a bit of a local character, and probably confused some people.I guess it could have been worse... poor Kiera,http://afro.com/fla-teen-lands-in-space-camp-after-unexpected-science-project-explosion-triggers-arrest/at least Ahmed was in to electronics not chemistry.

author: thermistor-guy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 12:25:16 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 19, 2018, 11:23:32 amThis case reminds me of the professor detained for doing algebra on a plane:https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/05/economist_detai.htmlAs security expert Bruce Schneier aptly states:QuoteI would change "amateurs" and "amateur" to "morons" and "moronic".

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 12:29:53 am
content: Quote from: NivagSwerdna on March 20, 2018, 12:07:38 amAttitudes changed a lot in this country after 9/11. In the '80s and '90s, even calling a plastic soda bottle "a bomb" would not have got anyone that exercised. It was clear to anyone with half a brain that it is incapable of fragmenting or detonating and not much more dangerous than popping a balloon. This was a pretty common form of entertainment and police weren't very interested.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 10:28:52 am
content: Quote from: helius on March 20, 2018, 12:29:53 amCurrently there seems to be a system that groups people based on minor or even innocent incidents together with serious offenders. I'm not sure what use it is to society to both destroy the future of decent citizens and cause inflation in when it comes to serious crimes. You can't keep crying wolf and expect people to be scared every time.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 11:00:21 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on March 20, 2018, 10:28:52 amA certain group of very famous people plus a popular social media platform comes to mind?You are right; the constant state of alert for minor issues tends to numb people when confronted with the real problems.This case was one more step towards the general polarization that is rampant today, with finger wagging and moral lecturing of dissenting groups.IMO this case illustrates how a mischievous and completely forgettable/forgiveable action is put into law, which gives no other course of action if it reaches levels of hierarchy (the principal, the law enforcement) that have judicial consequences. Although I find it ridiculous, I don't blame the authorities for taking the actions they did. On the other hand, if it was my kid, I would probably have tried to defend him using any means necessary (including a media blow) if he was taken into custody simply for this.I can't comment on the family decison to move out of the country but, if there were threats to my family due to the excessive exposure, I would probably have moved away as well.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 11:28:44 am
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on March 20, 2018, 11:00:21 amWhen you start a war, you have to be prepared for the consequences.Sometimes walking away is better.QuoteMake no mistake, the reactions of the family caused that "excessive exposure".Like I said, if they had simply laughed it off and/or refused to give interviews, the story dies. If the relative (IIRC) had not shared that infamous photo, the story again dies. But no, they wanted their 15 minutes of fame, and got it, in spades. Poor 14yo Ahmed probably had no say in any of it.That's of course not excusing any threats made to him etc.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 12:16:02 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 20, 2018, 11:28:44 amHindsight is a wonderful thing.I agree he shouldn't have attempted to sue, but I don't blame him for attempting to the press and social media to help his son. I think most people would have done the same.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 12:24:12 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on March 20, 2018, 12:16:02 pmSure they would have. But you can't say it's ultimately not their fault (or hindsight) when their ignorance of the potential consequences of deliberately using the media for exposure for their own ends and then complaining when that exposure they sort backfires on them.Any reasonably educated adult should know that's a risk. Willful ignorance for your own gain is not an excuse.Also, what "help" did he really need? He wasn't actually charged with a crime. All he faced was a suspension from school.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 01:04:43 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 20, 2018, 12:24:12 pmYou are right; the exposure fueled by the kid's parents was certainly what ultimately brought the case to its ultimate consequences, but thinking they wanted to "start a war" is really a dangerous proposition - it was a local story ran by local news and nobody could have predicted a country wide (and even less worldwide) press coverage.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 01:27:54 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on March 20, 2018, 01:04:43 pmIt's just a turn of phrase, and I did not use that term in relation to this case anyway.QuoteBut they gave interviews and shouted from the rooftops to that international media when it came knocking.And the entire intent of telling your story to the media (local or otherwise) is because you want the public to hear your story.You can't make any tenable argument about expecting it to only stay "local".They also planted the seed in that first local interview. Like I said, and I'll say it again, they approached it with the wrong intention from the get-go that ultimately caused all the hoopla. If they had laughed it off to the local news as a misunderstanding, it would have very likely just died out.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 01:58:58 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 20, 2018, 01:27:54 pmI'm sure they did. They were understandably very angry with the school and police, for handling the situation in the way they did.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 02:08:38 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on March 20, 2018, 01:58:58 pmFor sure, and I don't actually blame them for doing that. But they ultimately have to own any response from doing that I'm afraid.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 03:04:45 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 20, 2018, 02:08:38 pmDave, stating theyapproached it with the wrong intentionand notactually blame them for doing thatseem contradictory, as they involve intention on the act - I personally don't know their intentions and can't really tell if they acted in bad faith or not. However, in the heat of the moment they would have talked to whomever wanted to listen to the story, which I think we all agree is a very risky proposition in these modern times of worldwide coverage and yes, they have to own the responsibility of their acts. Just like you, I feel sorry for the kid.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 03:19:28 pm
content: Then there's this pearler:Student says math symbol looks like a gun, prompts police investigation

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 03:27:03 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on March 20, 2018, 03:19:28 pmThe statement in your link is incorrect. It was a comment made in a conversation that was sparked by the supposed likeness of a square root symbol, not the remark that it looks like that itself. That's quite a difference.

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 03:36:56 pm
content: August 2014... Police were summoned to a high school after a boy wrote a story about using a gun to kill a dinosaur. The boy was searched, suspended from school, and subsequently handcuffed and arrested when he did not handle the interrogation calmly.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-28897353

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 10:04:59 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on March 20, 2018, 03:04:45 pmPeople's natural reaction is to sprout to the media when they think they have been wronged in some way, that's what I mean when I don't blame them for wanting to go to the media.But as I said, they did approach it the wrong way and they have to own that. But it seems that all they have ever done is double down on the media exposure, whilst at the same time complaining about the results of the exposure.QuoteWell it's pretty clear that the already attention seeking father rubbed his hands at the opportunity when it was presented to him.At 14yo, Ahmed was in no position to decide for himself.I don't believe a word of the conspiracy theorists that he planned the entire thing from the get go.

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2018, 10:46:56 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 20, 2018, 10:04:59 pmOne of the conspiracy theories is that he was set up by his sister who had had a previous run-in over a bomb hoax. IMHO Ahmed himself seems too naive to have plotted it but he might have been encouraged by his sister to show off his clock.But who cares? Not me. Life moves on.