New Rigol MHO/DHO5000 8-ch. Oscilloscope 10.1" 12-bit 4GSa [500MHz & 1GHz] - Page 1
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author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2024, 11:36:30 pm
content: Support Bluetooth & WIFI, alongside a connector for a hooked-on battery-pack, same as Rigol DG5000PRO signal gen.10.1" screen  Seems quite limited for a new modern scope with 8 analog channels when we are up in this 5-digit price bracket.A 10-inch 800p screen is not a lot of screen real estate for all those analog channels on a UI that is heavily window-optimized.DHO5000 price level in China: DHO5058/500MHz around 11.000 $ [79.800CNY) DHO5108/1GHz 14.000$ (99.800CNY)MHO5000 [4 & 6ch from 500MHz to 1GHz]: MHO5054 = 29.800CNY, MHO5104 = 39.800CNY, MHO5056 = 69.800CNY, MHO5106 = 89.800 [between 4200$ and 12.700$)Detailshttps://www.rigol.com/products/detail/DHO5000Datasheet English.https://static.eleshop.nl/mage/media/downloads/MHODHO5000_DataSheet_EN.pdfBatterfly gives a good overview of what differs among the MHO/DHO5000 models in this blog post.https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/blog-posts/rigol-mho-dho5000

author: DaneLaw
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timestamp: August 27, 2024, 01:05:07 am
content: Also a new revision of their DS70000 flagship StationMax, under the new label DS80000. [13GHz, 40GSa, 4Gpts]Product Details (CN)https://www.rigol.com/products/detail/DS80000(ENG-BOT vers. below)

author: maxwell3e10
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timestamp: August 27, 2024, 12:27:56 pm
content: Looks like a copy of DHO4000 with twice the number of ADCs for four times the price. Now if they took DHO1000 and doubled the number of channels for double the price (around $2k), it would be an interesting product.

author: Sensorcat
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2024, 10:06:26 pm
content: I understand that the front is sort of crowded with 8 channels, but where is the probe compensation output? Do I have to have a 2nd scope to check my probes when using a DHO5000?

author: Construct
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2024, 10:49:59 pm
content: Quote from: Sensorcat on August 27, 2024, 10:06:26 pmRight side. In the Horizontal controls section.Looks recessed to stay mostly out of the way.

author: simone.pignatti
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timestamp: October 31, 2024, 12:01:10 pm
content: Tonight at midnight all new models will be live on our website.Just few info to clarify some differences between models:- DHO5000, 4 and 8 channels, has 4 GSa/sec sampling rate for each channel- MHO5000, 4 and 6 channels, has 4 GSa/sec (single-channel & half-channel), 2 GSa/s all channels active- AWG and Bode Plot are only available on MHO5000 4 channels as option (requires SW activation)- MSO functionality is active on all MHO5000 (no need of SW option) but requires the digital probe model PLA3204Any question, please ask.

author: Kurt_!
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2024, 09:42:05 pm
content: Better bring a few new devices out again!... improve all the errors and software!Rigol died for me.True the last device from you.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2024, 10:40:11 pm
content: Hello,it's now 23:40 and I'm already waiting.Best regardsegonotto

author: Martin72
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timestamp: October 31, 2024, 10:53:45 pm
content: I'm tempted to borrow one again, but I'm afraid it will just be a DHO4000 with more channels.

author: DaneLaw
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timestamp: October 31, 2024, 11:05:06 pm
content: Eleshop beat them to it.https://eleshop.eu/test-measure/oscilloscopes/all-oscilloscopes/rigol-dho5108-oscilloscope.htmlEnglish datasheethttps://static.eleshop.nl/mage/media/downloads/MHODHO5000_DataSheet_EN.pdf

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2024, 11:10:33 pm
content: 15k€ without VAT....

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2024, 11:17:52 pm
content: Hello,the fifth and sixth channel is particularly expensive3100 € per channel. The seventh and eighth channel only cost €1000 per channel.Best regardsegonottoPS: Maybe you can ask Rigol if you can buy a device without fifth and sixth channel but with seventh and eighth channel for 7700 €?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2024, 11:39:33 pm
content: Egonotto, I like your humor very much...

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 12:15:47 am
content: Hello,I have just had a look at the Micsig eight-channel devices and the prices of the Micsig MHO6 have risen dramatically:from:350MHz = 5999€ now 7999 €500MHz = 7999€ now 13999 €1GHz = 9999€ now 17999 €+ VATBest regardsegonotto

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 05:47:43 am
content: Here are official pricing at launch date, images of the 4 channels are not available yet, we will load them asap.We believe the 3 units which will sell are MHO5056, MHO5054 and DHO5058. Mostly for power electronics application and combined with current probes and optical isolated differential probes, so yes, it will be an expensive package.Our stock should be available by 3rd week of November.MH05054 EURO 4.399 + VATMHO5104 EURO 5.799 + VATMHO5056 EURO 10.099 + VATMHO5106 EURO 12.999 + VATDHO5054 EURO 5.799 + VATDHO5104 EURO 7.199 + VATDHO5058 EURO 11.599 + VATDHO5108 EURO 14.499 + VAT

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 08:32:25 am
content: So the 4ch MSO versions are cheaper than the "normal" ones....

author: simone.pignatti
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timestamp: November 01, 2024, 09:07:17 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 01, 2024, 08:32:25 amYes, the reason is because DHO has a higher sampling rate when all channels are active:- DHO5000, 4 and 8 channels, has 4 GSa/sec sampling rate for each channel- MHO5000, 4 and 6 channels, has 4 GSa/sec (single-channel & half-channel), 2 GSa/s all channels active

author: simone.pignatti
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timestamp: November 01, 2024, 09:21:43 am
content: I have found not a great quality (but better than nothing) image of the MHO5000 4 channels model.We can see the AWG output next to MSO.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 09:57:01 am
content: Quote from: simone.pignatti on November 01, 2024, 09:21:43 amI hope Rigol will spin off an MHO1000 as well. It's a strange gap in their lineup that the DHO1000 and 4000 series are only available as plain DSOs.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 01:27:42 pm
content: Batronix has now also listed them and they also have no pictures of the 4-channel scopes.Then I took a look at the somewhat confusing data sheet.Nothing new under the Rigol sun, the FFT is as meager as ever and will probably never be touched again.And why the Bode plot only goes up to 25 MHz, but the internal generator goes up to 50 MHz, remains Rigol's secret.

author: simone.pignatti
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timestamp: November 01, 2024, 02:06:37 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 01, 2024, 01:27:42 pm4 channel models images are not available. We are waiting for Rigol to upload them into the marketing folder.We think most use of the series is for power electronics applications. 6 channels is something the market asks for quite long time and only Tek is available at much higher cost.We will see.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 04:30:25 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 31, 2024, 10:53:45 pmThese new models might push Shenzhen to release SDS6058 H12 Pro to the west.......

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 04:52:09 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 01, 2024, 04:30:25 pmEhehwe will meet them in two weeks … let’s see what will happen 🍿

author: simone.pignatti
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timestamp: November 01, 2024, 07:10:00 pm
content: OK, got the 4 channel models images and loaded into the website.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 07:14:17 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 01, 2024, 01:27:42 pmI'm not surprised that the Bode plot goes only to half the AWG max frequency.However, the Bode plot on the DHO914S does not work properly: is there a difference on these new products?

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 07:27:08 pm
content: Quote from: simone.pignatti on November 01, 2024, 07:10:00 pmItcseems that Rigol are introducing yet another logic probe connector? Looks like a USB-C connector, used for four differential logic channels. Or are they already using this on other scope models?

author: simone.pignatti
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timestamp: November 01, 2024, 07:47:00 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on November 01, 2024, 07:27:08 pmNew one, PLA3204

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 08:20:58 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on November 01, 2024, 07:14:17 pmI don't know, of course, but I suspect it will be the same Bodeplot version as in the DHO900 – and that, in turn, is the same as in the MSO5000.And that would also make it clear what you can expect from it.But I would like to be wrong.

author: slugrustle
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timestamp: February 13, 2025, 12:05:15 am
content: Does anyone own one of these scopes? It's a little surprising there isn't more interest in them.

author: NE666
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timestamp: February 13, 2025, 01:57:51 pm
content: Quote from: slugrustle on February 13, 2025, 12:05:15 amYes, I do. I've had it for a couple of years, nearly, and purchased it during a Black Friday sale.I bought it principally for digital domain work (embedded, IoT) and I have no regrets whatsoever. The LA/mixed signal section is nicely done (for what it is - I still own a couple of USB/PC based LAs for longer captures and decodes), and is by some accounts here, a more useful and flexible implementation than has been included within the newer DHO 8xx/9xx series.Nope, I don't. Wish I did. Mis-read DHO as MSO (obviously). Sorry.

author: bte
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2025, 03:41:06 pm
content: Quote from: NE666 on February 13, 2025, 01:57:51 pmWeren't the oscilloscopes mentioned in the thread title released relatively recently?

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2025, 04:17:33 pm
content: Quote from: bte on February 13, 2025, 03:41:06 pmIt is a pretty new model series from the second half of 2024.https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/blog-posts/rigol-mho-dho5000And yet again. paying out of your nose, for those added channels..Fx 4CH  = 4399€ while two added channels and getting the 6 channel model [ MHO5056] is 10.099€(+VAT)https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/rigol-mho5056https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/rigol-mho5054

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2025, 07:16:59 pm
content: Quote from: NE666 on February 13, 2025, 01:57:51 pmYou have for few years scope that was released 3 moths ago... Can I get a ride on time machine too?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2025, 09:09:43 pm
content: Quote from: slugrustle on February 13, 2025, 12:05:15 amAs has already been written, the models cost a lot of money – too much for a rigol.I will try to borrow at least a 6-channel, just out of curiosity.At the moment, I assume that these models are somewhat pumped-up DHO4000 and I “know” that.And with that, this new series would be finished before it has somehow gained a foothold.Or at the latest, with the release of the new SDS5000X HD series on the market, the lights are out for the Rigol models.They will IMHO cost about the same and are unequally better equipped, plus the usual Siglent professional quality.Who wants to buy a Rigol then, there are no reasons for it already now.

author: NE666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2025, 09:19:39 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on February 13, 2025, 07:16:59 pmAhh. "Someone" may have mis-read DHO5000 as MSO5000..Apologies.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2025, 11:23:00 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on February 13, 2025, 09:09:43 pmWith a bit of luck, I'll get an MHO5054 to play with next week.It's not a 6 or 8 channel type, but it's from the same model series.I also want to test the Bode Plot, and that's only possible with the 4-channel models in this series, the others don't have a built-in AWG.I doubt whether I will ever get a 6-channel one on loan, given the price of it.This price jump is ridiculous - MHO5054 4 channels plus 2 channels AWG, 5000€.MHO5056, 6 channels, 2 channels AWG gone, 12000€...But let's see what the new MHO5000 series can do.Coming soon.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2025, 06:44:50 pm
content: QuoteI was lucky, it arrived today, Batronix is just good.I'll start a separate short thread about it, I have it on loan for three weeks.It starts next weekend, now I can't turn it on anyway, it has to acclimatize.

author: MAelektronik
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 01, 2025, 10:50:06 am
content: I found a firmware fault i my unithttps://youtu.be/y47CHkxHpyw?si=18bPWr0sQ9dHKBFr

author: MAelektronik
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 01, 2025, 10:51:12 am
content: Noisefloor test1https://youtu.be/uDcnU47ha0c?si=JLxPI4MIIS_yR_Wy

author: MAelektronik
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 01, 2025, 10:52:45 am
content: Noisefloor test2https://youtu.be/EcTN7NNPuLo?si=QciNUF2mYNSDCBQs

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2025, 11:08:01 am
content: You need to measure noise floor at 1ms/div, to include lower frequency noise.Also use 1mV/div because Rigol is using a trick at 100µV/div that it uses 20MHz BW limit all the time, despite what you selected.For comparison, a 500MHz BW SDS2504xHD, with 20MHz BW limit and at µs/div has only 18 µV AC RMS noise at 50Ω and 20 µV AC RMS noise at 1MΩ .That is at 1mV/div.As for bugs, we are sorry that you have problems, but it is not like you have not been warned.These scopes are buggy all over the place and some bugs are out there without a fix for more than 3 years.It is very likely this bug will not be fixed for a long time, if ever.It is unfortunate that you bought such an expensive scope without trying it first.I would report it back to place where I bought it immediately and see if they can file a complaint with Rigol.While Rigol has been horrible with fixing things, even them cannot fix something that is not reported to them.Publishing something on a forum is not bug report. But has to be reported to manufacturer via official channels.Can you manually fix the probe to 10x to see if it works well then?Maybe that can be workaround in meantime before you see how you gonna solve this.