Siglent sds2000x plus AND RIGOL MSO5000 ower off process - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: tk422
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 08:38:29 pm
content: For a moment, I have both the Siglent SDS2104XP and the RIGOL MSO5074.I am taking the time to get a feel for both and reaffirm for myself that the siglent was the right choice.I am confused a bit about the power off function.For the Siglent SDS2000XP the manual says to power off: press the power button, OR menu driven: utilities>shutdown.Utilities > Shutdown works, but when I press the power button nothing happens.Unless I hold it down for many seconds, then it shuts off, but I assume this is a forced power off, not a controlled shutdown.The RIGOL is different. It doesn't seem to have a controlled shutdown option, just the solid, positive mechanical power button that just cuts power.And I can't find anything in the RIGOL manual about powering down.I assume its ok to just press power button and be done with it.But the Siglent seems to want a controlled shutdown, and I don't want to have to navigate a menu with three think/aim finger/poke routines for my brain to process when I want to turn it off and walk away.I mean, I'll do it, but come on...Am I missing something?

author: JeremyC
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 09:01:19 pm
content: Quote from: tk422 on December 17, 2023, 08:38:29 pmI just tested my SDS2104X Plus, and when I push the power button for ~2 sec. I see the "Shutting down..." message on the screen.Try update to the latest firmware, mine is V1.5.2R1.Link to firmware:https://siglentna.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds2000xp

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2023, 10:25:11 pm
content: All the later Siglent scopes with a membrane ON/OFF button require a 2s press to enter soft shutdown and remember settings. A press and hold will engage a hard shutdown like pulling the plug and only the previous settings will be returned at boot.

author: tk422
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 18, 2023, 02:18:27 am
content: OK. Thanks guys. 2 seconds huh...that's uh...... That could cause a rant. But I'll hold it back.Wonder if it's possible to hack that into a proper 'OFF' button.I get it though. I mean, it's probably so that you don't accidentally turn it off by bumping your coffee mug into the off button. But it'snotlike you're going to lose information, right? Just turn it back on and keep your coffee mug away from it. /sigh/ look there. I ended up in a rant after all.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2023, 03:33:22 am
content: I think your signature said it all. 😉

author: maralb
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2023, 08:18:37 am
content: Besides the power off process, what are your experiences comparing both instruments?

author: tk422
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 18, 2023, 09:16:30 am
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on December 18, 2023, 03:33:22 am

author: tk422
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 18, 2023, 11:41:59 am
content: Quote from: maralb on December 18, 2023, 08:18:37 amWithout any real experience with scopes, I'm having to learn what I'm looking for. Having the two has offered some perspective.I like both of them a lot.A set of controls for each channel like the RIGOL is awesome. I also wantoneset forallchannels like the Siglent. So 5 sets of channel control knobs ought be about right.I keep having the urge to squish them together to make one single 'perfect' low-price-point scope.I may keep both and duct tape them together.I'll try to come back and offer my thoughts. I have the RIGOL for a couple more days. I don't have any good equipment to test them with, but if there is anything you can't find in the nearly exhaustive SDS2000xp vs RMSO5000 super threads, let me know and I'll try to take a look.

author: Antonio90
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2023, 11:56:19 am
content: Maybe this video is helpful? The first comment also.The MSO5000 seems like a very good scope. It has some outstanding flaws AFAIK, as the rather high noise floor and subpar/unfinished FFT/BODE plot capabilities. It has also some quite unique advantages in it's price class, as the HDMI out, zone triggers, extremely high sample rate, separate controls for each channel, dual-channel AWG and some I'm surely forgetting.The Siglent has 50Ohm inputs, very low noise floor, and probably best FFT and BODE in it's price class (at least until the new 12-bit offerings come to market). It has also an allegedly pretty good 10-bit mode up to 100MHz. It also goes up to 500MHz.

author: tk422
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 18, 2023, 08:16:41 pm
content: Yes, that video is awesome. One of my favorite. It's been a go-to vid, especially in the last few weeks as I learned more through RTFM. I go back and re-watch several videos often.Nezbrun, IMSAI Guy, EEVBLOG of course, and others I'm forgetting (but you're still very important to me)IMSAI Guy, in "#1380 Rigol MSO5000 XY mode fix" , showed that maybe the noise floor thing is not as bad now? Is XY mode relate to general noise floor?I just found this one about the noise floor by PY2TKI Marcos while searching for IMSAIs vid:I don't speak Portuguese, but Did you know there is a caption translating option under the gear icon at the bottom? I /just/ found that.I'm so excited to go watch that vid AND understand what is being said!Also EEVBLOG Forum is absolutely amazing. There are so many knowledgeable and genuinely helpful people here. I tried to read the entire SDS2000X Plus vs MSO5000 thread, but I only made it 30 pages before I realized it may not be the best way to go about it LOLAnd there's drama, too! It gets down right MMA sometimes, but everyone seems pretty forgiving and professional. Genuine opinions and beliefs are discussed, created, destroyed and modified 24 hours a day, in a 'mostly' respectful and fun way. It's very coolAnd the animated emotes are the best anywhere. They really tickle me. Especially this one:thaaaat's my favorite.I have to go be responsible for the day, which is going to be tough because I was up 'till 03:00 reading the TEA group therapy thread last night.I have been collecting screen shots and questions from/about both scopes. Should I post them here? or create new posts for each different question with a better searchable title?