TonStol E4 pick and place machine VS Neoden S1 PNP machine (TronStol A1) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Jemma.zhang
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 08:20:42 am
content: Since many customers asked what is the difference between Tronstol E4 and Neoden S1 (Tronstol A1), we made a video to help you learn more:https://youtu.be/sbqdEIBGWNAIn the video, you can see in detail the differences between the two of them.We continue to make progress on the road of research and development. Past products are the cornerstone of our progress, and innovation is endless. We continue to innovate the speed and accuracy of the placement machine, and bringing the most efficient SMT solution to customers is the direction of our continuous efforts.

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 09:07:03 am
content: Having too many machines confuses customers. While the platform and origins may be different, the price to the end customer is very similar (at least on pricing I can see) and yet the E4 apparently beats the A1 at almost every metric. This begs the question why does the A1 still appear to exist? If you haven't killed it you should. This machine appears to use different feeders to the A1- and they were unique already, another reason to kill the A1 so that more end users don't end up with feeders for a dead platform.The feature mix on offer is I think a good one, electronic "smart" feeders as standard is nice. There appears to be at least some improvement on software and job setup compared to say a neoden 4. The bulk part feature is a useful one for low volume prototyping and something a £200k Europlacer only got fairly recently (Autotronik has had it for a decade+)

author: Jemma.zhang
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 09:31:49 am
content: Thanks for your feedback.We stopped to produce Tronstol A1.Some functions on A1 received appreciation from customers，such as align the picking position automatically. We still use it on E4 now.We always iterate our products based on feedback from customers. Tronstol E4 is total different than Neoden 4.We will launch a new model on the market at the price similar to Neoden 4. I guarantee that its mounting accuracy and speed will satisfy both prototype and small-scale production customers.Due to our "Library" functions of Material ,footprint&feeder,that can really save our time to install the feeders and edit the files.When your Library's data is enough,you even don't need edit the new file.Just do some easy "click",you can mount a new file directly.

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 09:59:36 am
content: Nice to hear, could I suggest you take the advice from some of the feedback in the other thread, and make a version that takes more feeders; call it the E4+ or something. One thing prevents a user like me buying these machines is the tiny feeder count. Modern designs these days frequently have BOMs with 70+ lines of SMT. Solve this or perhaps make it clearer how well these machines might work when you use 3 in line and maybe in future someone like me would run multiple lines, these in one for basic requirements and Juki/Hanwha/Yamaha in the other for volume work.

author: Jemma.zhang
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2024, 07:29:28 am
content: Thank you for your feedback. Our 8mm, 12mm, and 16mm feeder sizes are the same,it only need one feeder slot.Traditional 12mm and 16mm feeders take up 1.5 feeder slots.We have another machine Tronstol A58 which can install 58*8mm feeders.But it only can install the traditional feeder not our ID feeder.Our machines can achieve dual-machine direct connection，when your BOMs is more than 42,you can use two machines together.When your machine is less than 42,you can use two machine independently.Our feeder bank is detachable, which also meets your needs for multiple scenarios

author: Jackson0
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 22, 2024, 05:35:13 pm
content: Are larger feeders with 24 and 32mm also available?

author: Jemma.zhang
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2024, 01:43:48 am
content: Quote from: Jackson0 on December 22, 2024, 05:35:13 pm24mm feeder is available. 32mm feeder need be customized.What's the thickness of your 32mm component?