Yet new Youtube schenanigans - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 07:22:54 am
content: Youtube is up to new shenanigans:https://www.heise.de/en/news/YouTube-videos-secretly-enhanced-with-AI-10622266.htmlApparently, similar to the autodubbing it already does for some videos, it also now does "enhance" videos with AI. And of course, without disclosure.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 09:52:44 am
content: And the BBC post:- YouTube secretly used AI to edit people's videos. The results could bend reality -https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20250822-youtube-is-using-ai-to-edit-videos-without-permissionDo content creators (copyright holders) give YouTube the right for doing that (via YouTube's TOS)? Or is YouTube violating copyright law?

author: NE666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 10:40:43 am
content: I think that, technically, if a publisher/distributor modifies an original work subject to copyright, then it is then classed as a derivative one and requires a separate license/consent to publish it.But you can be sure that YT have already granted themselves such a right within their latest TOS, and likely made it apply retrospectively.

author: metrologist
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 06:58:00 pm
content: BS! When I send an image file to a t-shirt house to print, they make manipulations to make it work, and the image on that t-shirt is not going to be the exact same as the file I sent them. YT is doing the same thing. They are not changing content like deleting or manipulating clips to change the content messaging.Of course in this other thread I read they are also using autotune on music classics so any of that kind of manipulation could be considered as changing content meaning. Such as in my video, I sing off-tune intentionally to make a point.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 07:34:01 pm
content: This is the same, big, monopoly property that has had the distinction, to be tasked with presentation of Hunter Biden, who...(oh well, if you have not at least read any news, about crack cocaine addiction, I decline to teach that), ...who looks awfully clean these days (if you Google that name). That's an attorney drug-addict, by the way. They have to adhere to highest standards of law compliance.If you go to those 2 connected properties, you get the edits and new, clean pictures. Heck, if you do happen to be politically inclined, and wish to criticize Biden family, you would be subject to YouTube edits, as this thread started out presenting.Clean, clean and handsome Hunter looks good, in the later searches.(So any real edits or clean-up efforts are open to both Google and YouTube manipulations, as they are owned under same monopoly.)

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 10:36:29 pm
content: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chatgptai/youtube-ai-shorts-scaling/

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2025, 06:45:16 am
content: metrologist: read your last post, and I'm leaning both ways on the correction of tuning with musician produced videos. Perhaps best to ask each user, noting that frequency correction is available, but even that takes some thought, on how to implement when a whole band isn't tuned standard.Wonder also, about Hindu related music tuning standards. But algorithms might work, assessing a work (quickly ?) and then offering a user option.Myself, I'm a casual critic and love scrutinizing the works of Jimi Hendrix, who notoriously preferred tuning low or even a half-note low.There are a handful of vocals, having very obviously bad moments, that might make a vocal coach cringe. Those brief moments are easily forgettable in the whole of some 3 minute song, but authentic.Most concerning, I guess, would be when such corrections applied put some obvious 'dork' factor or phoney feel to the work...and every listener notices.- - Rick B.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2025, 09:37:08 am
content: All involved codecs are lossy. All uploads are transcoded to a seed format and then further transcoded into different quality/resolution bands.Each step is lossy, less information comes out than went in.It has been a goal of codecs to support "Blade runner mode". "Track 45 left, enhance.", ie, to "add back" information with enhancement. They could be using ML trained edge enhancers as the output looks a little like "unsharp mask + gausian softening", but stuff like the detail in the ear being enhanced could suggest higher level AI.Consider this is the normal approach for mobile phones. Sample only a short periodic burst as full bw PCM and send "vocoder synth parameters" the rest of the time to "recreate" the voice on the other end. Doing the same with video sounds perfectly plausible if you have the power.There are however other battlegrounds asides "maximising storage/cost density". AI poisoning is now a thing. Artists and creators have been discovering ways to break AI analysis. In many cases without the image or video looking at all different to the eye, yet completely throws off the AI ML into failing 100% of the time.AI trainers like Google et. al. have been combating this by filtering the images through a blur filter, then an enchancer and then the AI model. This removes the "special noise sauce" used to defeat things like OCR, facial recog, vehicle tracking etc.So Google introducing deliberate "special sauce noise" to stop other competitors, now approaching realtime video analysis performance, can't "grep" and train off YouTube, while Google can. Feasible or paranoid?

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2025, 06:26:54 am
content: Can't find my rant, on YouTube requiring APP updates, via Google Play, before viewer can proceed (with watching a music video, or a guitar teacher's video, etc.Actually, after all their effort, to get a personal thing going with video tutoring guitar, piano, etc. the independent YouTube artists should be pissed (I would). to observe the Ransomware shakedowns occurring, taking away viewers from their sometimes hard work creation.Until those blocked viewers sign up for Google play, and actually get the YouTube APP updates, some individuals out there might not even know, that this kind of viewer restriction / reduction is even taking place!I'd be pissed! Any videos produced need to be closely monitored for this kind of ransomware. I guess, a caution when dealing with any other entity, but..heh,heh; Does youtub INFORM its creator members, that their commercial venture(s) have that viewer restriction dynamic going on ?Sounding like a great big juicy lawsuit could be looming. When their creators and contributors have not noticed, the numbers, of viewers is down. (I guess they could try producing videos for one if the yt competitors ).

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2025, 01:04:23 am
content: On that topic, has anyone noticed how YT seems to have increased the average volume of videos noticeably? With the exact same volume settings on my side, the overall volume of similar videos is now much higher.Just curious how many of you have also noticed it.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2025, 01:31:07 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 25, 2025, 01:04:23 amhttps://support.google.com/youtube/answer/14106294?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&oco=0?

author: metrologist
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2025, 05:46:49 am
content: volume has always sucked - if only that worked. It does, or can, but doesn't.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2025, 01:26:55 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on September 25, 2025, 01:31:07 amInteresting. The "stable volume" option appears disabled and grayed out on some videos, and enabled by default on some others. Who knows why. Is this an option that the channel owner can set? Which would explain it.Either way, it looks like yet another feature that YT decided to shove down your throat by default whether you like it or not. There is no global option in your YT parameters to disable or enable it globally. That I could find anyway.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2025, 02:49:08 pm
content: Not sure about others, but my "Next" button on the bottom bar disappeared yesterday. "Shift+N" still works, but I think they want me to click the AI suggestions to the right or some crap.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2025, 03:33:16 pm
content: Can't see that either.Though it's still there on playlists (which is where i really need it)

author: Seekonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2025, 03:51:44 pm
content: YT currently gives anyone the right to reuse the content of your material. You have to take an extra step to opt out of that each time you publish.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2025, 04:29:06 pm
content: Quote from: Seekonk on September 25, 2025, 03:51:44 pmReally?

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2025, 06:42:11 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 25, 2025, 04:29:06 pmSomeone needs to check the TOS to confirm or deny. It'd be in there if that's true.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 26, 2025, 09:30:37 am
content: This.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 26, 2025, 11:06:08 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 25, 2025, 04:29:06 pmYesEdit: Just updated another unlisted video. Be sure to click on every single "show more", because there are about a dozen things you need to opt out.