Small scope needed - Page 1
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author: cncjerry
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 01, 2017, 07:54:15 pm
content: I travel pretty much every week. I usually take two of the following: a roll-up, three section suite carrier that has two pockets, my briefcase, or a half size roller that fits under an airplane seat. I am boarding group 1 or premier/first class most of the time, but I am always worried about packing something and getting stuck having to check it. I would hate to have to check a scope and have it bounce around.I took my Tek 3054B once and my OWON SDS7102V, both fit in the roller, but that was a special case. So I am looking for a small scope that ideally would have good voltage measurements as well. Good to .01V is fine. I would like the scope to hit 100Mhz so a 500Gs/S I guess would be ideal. I would like all this or under $500, 750 if I need to. If I can't do it for that price then I will probably haul some of my stuff up to the hotel I always use and rent a locker or something.Most of my current interest is programming micros on an STM32F7 platform, DACs and ADC right now with some GUI that attaches to a custom analog device I am developing.So I've been looking at hand held scopes and USB types. I've seen some of the Cleverscope(sic) types but they are expensive. The analog discovery is interesting but bandwidth limited. I have one of those DSO quads toys that I've used when I was doing 60Hz signal generating on the DACs just to make sure I had a signal.Another thing to point out is that I travel with a Macbook Air, three ipads and a high-end MS Surface. That all fits in my briefcase and generally I've been leaving one ipad behind since I bought one of those external storage/wireless devices. So in that sense, I can dedicate either the macbook or one of the ipads, surface if I had to, to just the scope. If the device has simple arb capabilities that would be a plus in the future.I figure whatever I get has to fit in the size of a 'standard' hard cover book. I can squeeze the power adapter and probes in somewhere. And since it is all hobby related, all the costs are mine.Ideas?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2017, 08:08:42 pm
content: Micsig tablet scopes seems to be a nice fit for your purpose.

author: cncjerry
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 01, 2017, 08:25:21 pm
content: NctNico, never saw them before. Interesting but I can't tell if they have a generating capability like some of the Hantek usb scopes that have the built in ARB.The other thing about the micsig is it has the built in tablet which I don't need.But nice looking and they meet the size requirement.

author: slurry
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2017, 08:36:16 pm
content: Too bad it's way above the budget you mention but a Rohde&Schwarz Scope Rider, 2 channel version with integrated multimeter would be just right for your needs.https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/us/product/rth-productstartpage_63493-156160.html

author: Andreas
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2017, 09:08:45 pm
content: Quote from: cncjerry on January 01, 2017, 07:54:15 pmSounds like a PicoScope 2207B / 2208B.https://www.picotech.com/oscilloscope/2000/picoscope-2000-overviewwith best regardsAndreas

author: eKretz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2017, 09:14:32 pm
content: Micsig handheld should fit the bill also. I don't think they have one with a wave generator though.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2017, 10:18:03 pm
content: Quote from: cncjerry on January 01, 2017, 07:54:15 pmPicoscopes work with Mac:https://www.picotech.com/

author: cncjerry
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 01, 2017, 10:34:01 pm
content: What about those Hantek USB scopes? I hear mostly bad when compared to a full sized scope but for my application?

author: guenthert
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2017, 08:28:41 pm
content: Quote from: cncjerry on January 01, 2017, 07:54:15 pmYou mean 500GS/s (with 'S' being the non-standard, but generally understood abbreviation of Samples)? Greetings time-traveler, as you must be from the future then. I'm sure where you're from you can buy such a scope at the electronics shop 'round the bend; here in the 21st century we can offer you only 240GS/s (for the low, low price of about $1000000):http://thesignalpath.com/blogs/2015/02/10/experiments-and-teardown-of-the-teledyne-lecroy-labmaster-10-100zi-100ghz-240gss-oscilloscope/.

author: AndyP
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2017, 10:37:23 pm
content: That would be 500M samples per second.+1 for the Micsig, battery powered and usable without need for laptop. The tablet bit runs Linux, but if entirely hidden from the user.The picoscope 2000 is a good option, similar price to Micsig, smaller, but needs laptop and has the AWG.USB based scopes and logic analyzers often grab the data then transfer to PC, this means you work slightly differently compared to a using a regular scope.Though the transfer can be quick it's not quite the same as working on a proper scope.USB3 should reduce the transfer delay, and make make the experiences more similar.

author: cncjerry
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 02:03:04 am
content: I travel with 3 iPads, a surface and a macair now. I was trying to keep the weight down that's why I've been thinking USB type. The micsig looks interesting, little larger than I'd like but I've been leaving one of the iPads behind lately. A handheld would fit in my bag in one of the outer pockets.Most of the time I am just confirming things so I'm not overly concerned about throughput.I'll keep looking but thanks for the micsig pointers as I've not seen it before.Thanks.

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 02:17:28 am
content: I just picked up the picoscope 2207B last month. I've been very impressed with it so far and it fits in the top zippered section of my notebook bag easily. I'm going to post a review about it here eventually when I finish it.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 02:36:42 am
content: Quote from: cncjerry on January 04, 2017, 02:03:04 amMike did quite a reasonable review recently here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/micsig-tablet-oscilloscope-tbook-mini-to1000/msg1092257/#msg1092257~1hr long but worth watching.

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 02:53:55 am
content: Quote from: guenthert on January 02, 2017, 08:28:41 pmHe could still be from the past. Even in the 1980s, DSOs with similar specifications were available as catalog items at a lower cost.

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 03:04:52 am
content: I usually disapprove of USB connected instruments but the DSOs from Picoscope seem reasonable for your application assuming that your existing portable computer can run their software.As far as a DSO with the capability of a multimeter, I recommend a separate handheld multimeter (or two) instead if only for safety reasons unless you have the budget for something like a Fluke Scopemeter.

author: vltr
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 03:10:28 am
content: Siglent also makes a decent scopemeter that may come in a bit closer to budget than the fluke:https://www.amazon.com/Siglent-Handheld-Oscilloscope/dp/B01HAWTRQS

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 06:49:17 am
content: Quote from: David Hess on January 04, 2017, 03:04:52 amThey're much more expensive than a desktop 'scope for equivalent bandwidth, etc. The 'S' part of "DSO" is very limited, too. Most of them drop down to 10MHz sample rate if you want to capture more than a couple of kb of data.If you need portable and have a laptop though... they look OK.

author: MrWolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 10:29:57 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 06:49:17 amEven my 2013 out of production 2205 MSO with 48kS of memory will drop to 20MSa/s only at 200us while delivering 4-digit accuracy in horizontal measurements over very wide range (and compares well with Agilent U1272A TrueRMS multimeter in vertical):https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/testing-dso-auto-measurements-accuracy-across-timebases/?action=dlattach;attach=277983Your beloved DS1000Z totally falls apart in same test, despite claiming high samplerate it barely touches 3-digit accuracy in single timebase:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/testing-dso-auto-measurements-accuracy-across-timebases/?action=dlattach;attach=277997Issue in general is discussed here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/testing-dso-auto-measurements-accuracy-across-timebases/So each time you have to pick exact right timebase or zoom to fiddle with cursors. Real "productive" use of working hours...Not to mention 5dB signal level difference with Sinc=ON|OFF tested here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-ds1054z-bandwidth/?action=dlattach;attach=280275Since it was discussed yesterday did check my Pico for same issue. No difference Sinc vs ETS. All values correct and spot on. Just for your personal pleasure I will format this test and post in the evening.And if we now forget my old entry level box then new deep mem Picos are plainly a monsters for the money:https://www.picotech.com/library/oscilloscopes/deep-memory-high-performance-oscilloscopes5GSa/s in 20ms timebase by having 2GSa of onboard memory, not bad IMHO:Even most basic 100MHz scope from Pico now has 128MB of memory. Memory is main thing that will keep sample rate up. But as seen in Rigol case it is of little use when actual calculations are done off 1.2kB screen buffer. Thats 0.0012MB.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 11:28:27 am
content: Quote from: MrWolf on January 04, 2017, 10:29:57 am48k of sample memory. That's "limited", right?I did goof the sample rate, sorry. I meant 10Mhzbandwidthin capture mode. 20MSa/s sampling rate equates to 10MHz bandwidth if we're being generous (most engineers would wantat least2.5x sample rate for a given bandwidth).Quote from: MrWolf on January 04, 2017, 10:29:57 ama) Nobody here even mentioned the DS1054Z.b) It's not the same 'test' at all. A DS1054Z has 24Ms of memory. It will happily fill that memory at the full 1GS/s sample rate.Quote from: MrWolf on January 04, 2017, 10:29:57 amAnd ... please stop posting that stuff in every single thread which mentions oscilloscopes. It's a non-issue that nobody cares about.a) It's normal across most DSOs, not just the DS1054Z (you even made a list of 'scopes where it happens).b) We don't use our oscilloscopes that way. It's natural to zoom in on areas of interest when we look at horizontal measurements.Quote from: MrWolf on January 04, 2017, 10:29:57 am$7000 for a 500MHz bandwidth oscilloscope...

author: MrWolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 11:52:12 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:28:27 amIt's out of prod model. I intended to replace it with Rigol after hearing "expert" advice on this very forum. What I got was 1.2kS scope instead of 48kS for my intents and purposes (which are working with very different frequencies in single timebase - mechatronics)Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:28:27 amWhat you mean by "capture mode". If you meancontinuousUSB streaming then all starting 2206B do 9.5MS/s in regular software. 3000 does same and 125MS/s via SDK.Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:28:27 amAnd whats the use if it cannot do automation with it (measurements, decoding)?Maybe ok for mostly digital hobby use when you havelotsof time.In garden showel is also ok, you can dig up whole garden by yourself if nothing better to do...I usually order planning excavator, stuff gets done surprisingly fastQuote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:28:27 amNot a single DSO showed up in tests with such "performance", screen buffering or not. For example with siglent I'm not sure 70kB can be called "screen buffer".Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:28:27 amNo, you do not use it that way or perhaps people used to CRO where accurate absolute measurements usually cannot be done. In fact I'm not sure you use anything at all because never saw single screenshot or test data from you. Only "humanitarian" argumentation. Otherwise you would realize zooming does not help much with sharp rises and low frequencies.Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:28:27 amFor scope with 2G of onboard RAM. Name a few other in same price class?Edit: In fact just checked for comparable scope from Tek:Cheapest/highest mem Tek I could find was DPO5054B: 500MHz, 5GSa/s, 125MB for $15,300Same memory as €579.00 2208B from Pico

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 11:59:24 am
content: a) You know I actually recommended a picoscope in thefifth post of this thread, right? I never mentioned the DS1054Z even once.b) You've already been warned by mods for endlessly posting this crap in every single oscilloscope thread.

author: MrWolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 12:24:14 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:59:24 amI understand, math is hard. But in datasheets can look up that $15k Tek will drop off 5GSa/s wagon at 2.5ms/div. 8x worse.Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:59:24 amQuote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 06:49:17 amWhat else could you mean? Most non-hackable BW scopes are pretty much in same price class.Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:59:24 amMods? Where? Not in personal messages. Maybe I missed too busy doing actual tests on my tech.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 12:51:23 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 11:28:27 amto be fair, the newer pico 2000 has 64/128MS of memory.If you set up the application to full memory capture, after one trigger it will sample 128Meg samples, at the happily sample rate of 1 GS/s, then transfer them. so both your statements become misleading.Didn't want to mention it because you were right in the first post, if you want continous sampling it will drop to 10 MS/s or whatever (more on the SDK depending on pico model) because USB is the bottleneck. but that's true for any scope you want to connect to the computer to have a continous stream, will it be over usb, ethernet, bluetooth, wifi, ...and of course if you are in "normal" mode and acquire 128MS at a time i suspect that the wfm/s rate will drop to a minimum, but that's true for every acquisition system as to fill 128 MS at a 1 GS/s rate it will take 128ms.infact when you leave sample rate / memory depth to auto settings you have to be very careful, scope will always try to achieve max wfm/s on screen at the expense of the real data you get after you stop and look at acquisitionto the OP, bewave of the AWG in the pico, it's quite crappy and limited in amplitude, but not more than other i've seen in scopes. and at least you have a gazillion bytes of waveforms to choose to.. replay acquisition to AWG etc.

author: MrWolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 01:27:08 pm
content: Quote from: JPortici on January 04, 2017, 12:51:23 pmThat's what I'm using it for - for example can do some math processing on actual signal. Feed it into inbuilt AWG. Replay and do some even more weird stuff. Final product to CSV and into outboard AWG if need high freq or Aim-TTi WA301 for voltage boost. Also can feed modulation input of my SDG2000X.

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 03:22:02 pm
content: Here is where I keep mine - in a small plastic bag in my notebook bag. It was bought because it can give real performance without me hauling around a desktop scope.Here is the bandwidth testing I did on it:2207B bandwidth testing: I connected my Siglent SDG2082X (upgraded to 120 Mhz) to channel A of the picoscope with a 50 ohm cable and a 50 ohm passthrough terminator. The 2200 series does NOT have a 50 ohm termination option, but I think some of Pico's other models do. Here is a list of the peak to peak measurements from 10 to 120 MHz: 10=990mV, 20=970mV, 30=947mV, 40=917mV, 50=888mV, 60=854mV, 70=822mV, 80=801mV, 90=792mV, 100=783mV, 110=777mV, 120=762mV. I can't go any higher than 120 Mhz and it is still above the -3 dB point of 707mV! I then connected it up to the fast edge signal coming out of a DS4014 and measured rise/fall times of 1.81 nS on CH A and 1.87 nS on CH B, so around 190 Mhz using the 350/x formula. I also tested the SDG2082X 120 Mhz signal through the 10X supplied probes and it was 738 mV with the probes, still above -3 dB. The probe fall time on the fast edge was 1.1 nS. All of this was very impressive given it is only rated for 70 MHz!

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 04:22:13 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 06:49:17 amI would be really careful about the "S" part of "DSO" in this case because Picoscope makes both digital sampling oscilloscopes which we are not discussing and digital storage oscilloscopes which we are.Those handheld Siglent models look interesting with 4 isolated channels and DMM functionality like a Fluke Scopemeter. I would sure want to closely evaluate one before purchase though; their price seems too good to be true.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 04:55:21 pm
content: Quote from: MrWolf on January 04, 2017, 12:24:14 pmYou have been warned and won't be again. If you bother to read the topic instead of filling it with off topic material you might spot that I asked you and then asked again another member to leave this particular debate to oneside and continue with the actual topic at hand.Just incase it's not clear, if you continue to post stuff like you have in this thread you will be banned! if your heart is so set on discussing this other topic go and create a thread of your own!!!!

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 07:59:38 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 04, 2017, 04:55:21 pmSimonWhile Wolfie's ongoing 1054Z rants might appear to be messing many threads, might I add: he has one and has done tests and provided documentation to back his claims to a much higher standard than many. I have not seen any of his posts become abusive or personnel beyond what is often seen here, whatsmore Wolfie appears not to have any conflict of interest unlike I.As an interested onlooker I DO notice hiscontributionsclosely followed by Fungus with many challenging posts almost to a point ofstalking, and in some way Fungus can be blamed for the escalation of events.It's a forum and POV will get passionate......is that a bad thing? Civility need be monitored that's all IMHO.Or did I miss something ?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 08:24:02 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on January 04, 2017, 07:59:38 pmSo? They don't belong in every single thread that mentions oscilloscopes. He should create a new thread for his discoveries.Quote from: tautech on January 04, 2017, 07:59:38 pmThere'd be nothing to respond to if he wasn't spewing anti-DS1054Z garbage all over the forums.

author: djnz
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 08:47:40 pm
content: I recently snagged a battery operated Tektronix THS720A (used) for US$200. It' slightly bigger than a tablet (~8 inches) and about 1-2 inches thick. Has 2 fully isolated channels and a 3rd DMM input. 100MHz, 500 MS/s. Only 2500 points though. Scope goes down to 0.005V. DMM is only 3.5 digit, but the logging + graphing feature is useful. DMM has VDC, VAC, R, continuity and diode test functions but no current measurement. I think the complete isolation between all inputs is a great feature and can often be very useful.

author: mk_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 09:08:34 pm
content: Quote from: djnz on January 04, 2017, 08:47:40 pmdjnz -there are several interesting THS7x0-threads here in eevblog. So.. take a look at the last:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/tek-ths720a-portable-scope-teardowndiscussion/,maybe your THS has the requested SW-Version?michael

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 09:08:52 pm
content: To OP, I suggest fly economy and use the difference to buy a Fluke. Look at their re-sale value.To mods: For those of us that are somewhat mentally challenged, instead of saying "You" can you write the members name. With all the quotes it can be hard to figure out who "You" is. (I hope it is not me). Thanks

author: cncjerry
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 12:11:40 am
content: I didn't mean to draw out the worst in us. I have a good solution for information that I don't find relevant, I ignore it. Much like the comment about 500Gs/S instead of 500Ms/S. 99% of the people that read the post understood I made one of my many frequent mistakes.Actually, I wouldn't have looked at the Picoscope without the attention it was given as years ago, and I don't even remember how long, it wasn't even the best in its class. I guess things have changed so I'll put it on the finalist list.I've looked at the Flukes as every now and again there is one on Craigslist locally for a good deal. I haven't seen a THS-720A for $200, but if that is an offer, I'll take it!I don't need current measurement when traveling. I am mainly generating DAC signals that mathematically either work or don't so I really just need to see if the signal is there, maybe look at peak clipping and zero crossing. I don't care about real time as much as a triggered signal.Nobody answered my Hantek question but I don't really care, there is enough about them on this and other sites. I'll have to sit down and compare the Picoscope to the Hantek.The Micsig is cool but I think it is larger than what I want to add to my bag. Their more traditional hand sized scopes are also pretty big. I have an Owon SDS7102 with battery and I think the square inches wouldn't be that much different though I could be wrong. I wish the Micsig tablet scope wasn't that thick but then again, it has a lot of connectors.Thanks for all the input.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 05:28:14 am
content: i can advocate for the pico and say, try it! download the software and play with the demo waveforms to see if it's suitable for your use (I like the beta version better than the current stable. additional buttons for changing parameters tablet-like and coloured labels for serial decoding. plus, it seems to be faster on my work laptop)the AWG may be picky about amplitude and offset .. at least the one on mine is (older 2000A series pico)

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 07:34:00 am
content: As I have already said Mrwolf is welcome to start a thread on the topic. There is no problem linking to the thread from this one but an ongoing detailed discussion about deep details of one particular model won't help a thread that is trying to evaluate a number of models. I also own a Rigol DS1054Z and would be happy to have a concise presentation of it's weak points so that I am aware, but not on top of another discussion.

author: MrWolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 11:28:07 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on January 04, 2017, 08:24:02 pmWell first it's not garbage. These are pretty extensive tests. Initial motivation was to point out software bugs in hope they can be fixed (normal procedure in industry), but was pointed out that in this case bugs are features and it's all meant this way. Secondly this was response to recommending DS1054Z on every thread by "certain persons", even when OPs clearly wanted "midrange", not entry level scope. When new player comes to forum like this he will presume that "gurus" with 10k+ posts have darn good idea about products they are recommending and how they compare to other products. Before did come to this forum I did know nothing about Rigol or Siglent. Bought products from both based on "guru recommendations". Turned out that one is way substandard compared to stuff I had earlier and another is surprisingly good. Due to certain circumstances I had the time and was properly pissed off - so I made circus out of it, while not failing to provide useful info "for future generations". Also I noticed that sales work by another set of persons tied to Siglent is way different and more civilized, which does not lead to circus but good sales numbers I presume. So hope something could be learned from this. As for now circus is closed.

author: alank2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 01:11:57 pm
content: Quote from: JPortici on January 05, 2017, 05:28:14 amThey have finally released a new version to replace the beta:https://www.picotech.com/downloadsI downloaded and installed 6.12.5 and it has all the beta features.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 01:26:23 pm
content: Quote from: MrWolf on January 05, 2017, 11:28:07 amNobody's doubting your numbers, it's the presentation that annoys people.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 02:40:15 pm
content: Quote from: MrWolf on January 05, 2017, 11:28:07 amGood luck.Let me share a FIRST POST with you, from a long time and respected member AND former Rigol seller from nearly 7 years ago:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/rigol-ds1000e-series-possible-errorfail-in-sin(x)x-interpolation/Some are SO blind they cannot see......Who do I refer to, well you work that out for yourselves.What many/most members FAIL to do is their homework.........if a member posts something that gets your attention..........well, fooking research them, pretty easy IF you aren't too tired to do so.

author: MrWolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 03:03:46 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on January 05, 2017, 01:26:23 pmI'm using OpenOffice, damn hard to do good looking chartsWill work on it.Quote from: tautech on January 05, 2017, 02:40:15 pmWell... just went to the store to look atthe thingwith excited attention before doing further research... but seller offered massive discount

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 03:06:31 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on January 05, 2017, 02:40:15 pmOr maybe they simply decide that these problems aren't showstoppers when offered a $400, 4-channel, 100MHz DSO with a ton of useful features.Similarly: Picoscopes are overpriced when compared to a desktop DSO and they have problems/limitations of their own (eg. USB interface is a bottleneck). If you're looking for something small that fits in a bag with a laptop though, those things aren't necessarily showstoppers.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 03:12:29 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on January 05, 2017, 03:06:31 pmQuoteNo further comment necessary.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 06:32:36 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on January 05, 2017, 03:12:29 pmI'm not taking sides here. But quoting yourself, and then stating that this better be the final word in the debate, is an interesting move.Anyway, I keep being surprised how passionate we can get about test equipment. Maybe the "peace" icon can be added to the selection of emoticons in the forum software?

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2017, 09:40:17 am
content: Thedidn't do nothing.we'd better add the bloody-horse-head too to give a clear message for one has to stop.(i rewatched the godfather the other day)