Need a new Dropcam replacement for the lab - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 01:03:29 am
content: The feed says it all:http://www.eevblog.com/live/Anyone got any pointers for an always-on, always recording (to cloud/server), easy to use and zero-maintenance solution using a HD webcam (I have some Logitech C920's). I don't mind a paid service. Perhaps a new camera if I must, but I have those high end webcams already.It has to be remote server based image/video, because I do not want multiple users sucking my lab bandwidth for each connection.Perhaps using a Raspberry Pi? (for the low power, I really don't want to dedicate a PC to this)Doesn't actually need to be real time video, could be a 1 image per second type thing.Full real-time HD video is actually too bandwidth intensive anyway. Dropcam was at least heavily compressed.Needs to have a nice easy way to integrate into the blog website live page.And something that lets viewers go back through pre-recorded video like Dropcam did would be nice.

author: max666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 01:11:04 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2015, 01:03:29 am

author: apelly
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 01:13:44 am
content: youtube live stream?Na. I'm talking out of my arse really. I have no idea.

author: richms
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 01:25:39 am
content: twitch stream perhaps? I know you can drop the framerate quite a bit in the encoder that you send out to knock the bitrate back.

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 02:16:06 am
content: What's a Nest account?

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 02:26:16 am
content: Well that sucks.I don't have a solutionGood to know though since I had been considering a Dropcam for home monitoring. Not now.

author: Sparkst3r
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 02:38:21 am
content: I honestly hate when companies do this to customers, especially ones of the paying variety. If it's already working, DON'T CHANGE IT.They could've at least just make accounts sufficiently backward compatible that dropcam accounts work as intended and any 'new' features elsewhere in their service require the new account.I wouldn't be surprised if they've revised their ToS to sign your life away and needed an excuse to get their users to agree to it!The bullshit meter's off the charts.It's G+ all over again.In regards to the notice: It requires more choice words and a DaveCAD diagram of where the middle finger should be inserted.

author: Zad
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 03:01:25 am
content: I would give a Twitch streaming cam a go. After a time and enough views, they give partnership status which generates money for you. It does have adverts though. Of course it also has the option to stream audio should you wish.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 03:19:53 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on March 09, 2015, 02:17:40 amor Door #3, just don't change anything and leave Dropcam as it is.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 03:20:47 am
content: Quote from: Zad on March 09, 2015, 03:01:25 amSeems 100% gaming oriented.Any examples of others using it?

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 03:27:37 am
content: Say, Dave, just what's a Nest account, and what's the big deal getting one? There's a lot of things I don't do with my business on principle and for moral reasons, but if it doesn't hurt anyone, and it helps your business grow and prosper, why bang your head against a wall when you can just move on to more important stuff?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 03:56:38 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on March 09, 2015, 03:45:58 amYour doubt is ill-founded!I bought a dropcam. I signed up a for a dropcam recording account. I don't give a toss about Nest, or Google who bought them, and do not want to change accounts. It pisses me off.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 03:59:00 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on March 09, 2015, 03:36:52 amWhat terms were changed between Dropcam and Nest?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 04:01:59 am
content: Quote from: John Coloccia on March 09, 2015, 03:27:37 amI signed up and paid for something specific I wanted, nothing else. Them forcing a change on me pisses me off. It's the principle of the thing. You can argue to you are blue in the face that it's a trivial principleto you, but you are not me.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 04:07:48 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2015, 01:03:29 amDidn't you get your intern yet? Making something to just put this on your existing web server is not exactly a huge task.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 04:12:55 am
content: Quote from: Marco on March 09, 2015, 04:07:48 amYes.QuoteOk, please explain how, that's why I'm asking here.AFAIK the intern isn't an expert on server based streaming video systems.

author: nixfu
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 04:13:42 am
content: I would suggest Veetle maybe instead. Veetle is what twitch was(all types of live streams) before it became totally gaming oriented and was called justin.tv.http://veetle.com/Other solutions would behttp://ustream.com,http://livestream.com,Those are the typical choices these days for those who want to have live streams up for stuff like Baby Bird Nests, kittens at the animal shelter, or technicians soldering in a fishbowl shaped lab.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 04:19:52 am
content: Quote from: nixfu on March 09, 2015, 04:13:42 amI think these are solutions better suited to live shows (as I have done in the past) than just a fixed 24/7 webcam?

author: nixfu
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 04:24:07 am
content: BTW, there is now a dropcam competitor:http://www.simplicam.com/

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 04:33:20 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2015, 04:12:55 amMy optimistic view :Google for webcam software with a FTP upload option, try a couple till you find something you like. Figure out if the FTP server overwriting the image at the same time it's being read can cause problems, if yes figure out how to solve them. Code up a page for the web server which auto-refreshes the image (again, use google).

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 04:42:52 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on March 09, 2015, 04:28:10 amDo you really think they need to push a new account on people to get new terms into the TOS?Ofcoursethey're making the TOS less agreeable. That's what companies that are run by layers do. But they'd have done that anyway! This is unrelated...

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 06:03:30 am
content: motivated by greed

author: supersat
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 06:06:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2015, 03:20:47 amYes, it is gaming-oriented. They are starting to branch out into music, but otherwise they will be unhappy if you stream non-gaming content.

author: Jfcarrer
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 06:22:12 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2015, 04:19:52 amNasa uses it for a fixed 24/7 webcam pointing out of the international space station (if the stream happens to be a black screen at the time you see it, the station is at the dark side of the planet):ISS HD Earth Viewing Experiment on USTREAM: ***QUICK NOTES ABOUT HDEV VIDEO*** Black Image = International Space Station (ISS) is on the night side of the ...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 06:36:35 am
content: Quote from: Jfcarrer on March 09, 2015, 06:22:12 amUstream is very expensive if you want HD though.

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 07:07:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2015, 04:01:59 amI'm notarguinganything. I'maskingwhat the big deal is. You don't know zip about me or my principles, so?

author: alimirjamali
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 07:34:46 am
content: I personally never tried this but it is possible to use cloud streaming services fromAkamaiorAmazon CloudFront Media Streamingwith anRTMPcompatible network Cam (many available from Axis, Acti, D-Link, Vivotek, TP-Link and many other). This will have one connection from the Cloud to the Lab Cam and serves to all users from the Cloud.I absolutely have no idea about the pricing of Akamai services. But AWS Free Tier might be worth trying.The other solution should be using RTMPDump and related software on EEVBlog Linux server to get/capture stream from LAB Cam and serve it to viewers from there. This might fill the server hard-disk and eat a lot of bandwidthand requires a fair knowledge of Linux and Web development

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 07:39:43 am
content: Quote from: John Coloccia on March 09, 2015, 07:07:34 amThey pissed me off, simple as that. I just wanted to keep my Dropcam login, I don't like beingforcedto do anything, it rubs me the wrong way, so I will be avoiding them on principle.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 07:41:55 am
content: Quote from: alimirjamali on March 09, 2015, 07:34:46 amFill server hard drive = really badBandwidth, not so bad, I'm not using my quota.

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 07:49:47 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on March 09, 2015, 06:01:28 amWell, I just looked up the whole Nest thing. Another Google POS, I guess. I'd never even heard of it. I guess I'd be upset if I was dumb enough to put a bunch of web cameras in my house with some expectation of privacy, but this is a public webcam that everyone sees. It's already less private than anyone's TOS will ever be. I'd use them for all they're worth and suck every last dime I payed for out of it. Seems like Dave's the winner here, not Google. All they get is a stream that they could have gotten for free anyhow.That whole Nest thing is generally creepy, though. Why would anyone start hooking up stuff in their house to the web??? Like I seriously need to be able to control my thermostat, start the dishwasher and make coffee from anywhere on the planet?But I understand just not wanting to use it anymore. There's a ton of companies I don't deal with anymore because I think they're crappy companies.

author: alimirjamali
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 07:57:39 am
content: BTW, if you ever replace the Dropcam, please do not forget to tear it apart and post the tear-down video

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 08:16:20 am
content: Quote from: alimirjamali on March 09, 2015, 07:34:46 amAs I said, if he just wants 0.1Hz he can try to use some webcam software with FTP. Easier to set up, no video necessary just auto-reload on the client with html.

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 08:36:59 am
content: Quote from: John Coloccia on March 09, 2015, 07:49:47 amWhy wouldn't you want your devices to be "connected" and therefore more controllable, meaning more powerful to you?I have cameras and it provides peace of mind, lets me see who has been around the property when I am not here and lets me monitor for things like water leaks, pet misbehavior, etc. Thermostat is great - if you're going to unexpectedly be home at a different time you can turn up the heat or AC so it's comfortable when you arrive. Likewise if you leave early but forget to turn things off, you can do it remotely. Saves money, provides more control and comfort.The folks who are against it sort of sounds like the curmudgeons who couldn't understand why people wanted a phone on them when they left the house.

author: electr_peter
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 08:43:32 am
content: Most simple solution would be to create html page with a "picture" of a lab view. PC/RaspberryPi takes a photo, saves to a specific location, refreshes webpage...

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 09:00:37 am
content: If not carrying about my appliances when on the go makes me a curmudgeon, then I'm a curmudgeon.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 09:11:34 am
content: Quote from: John Coloccia on March 09, 2015, 07:49:47 amIt's not just that, it was the greatest acquisition in Google's history and the history of the Internet of Things - $3.2BNAnd one of the greatest "cash for the boys" ploys ever.$3.2BN for a startup that makes a wanky internet connected household thermostat

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 09:14:03 am
content: Quote from: Corporate666 on March 09, 2015, 08:36:59 amBecause for many things it's just stupid and gets in the way. Like mobile phone controlled lights.

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 09:32:10 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2015, 09:14:03 amBut we already HAD crap like this in the 80s. Remember that stuff? You could call your house, turn on lights, and do all this sort of nonsense? I think you could even get some hardware for the Commodore 64, and it was cool if i remember correctly. It may even have worked by networking over wall outlets. So I could take an expensive computer and instead not getting work done because the programs sucked, I could make it even more ridiculous by turning it into a buggy light switch.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 09:54:05 am
content: I honestly don't get it. What's the problem with changing some account info?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 10:10:36 am
content: Quote from: John Coloccia on March 09, 2015, 09:32:10 amMany dial-in home alarm systems have had home automation features for decades. or even if not dial-in, you could automate almost anything in the house.Now it's trendy.

author: Neverther
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 10:32:16 am
content: Zoneminder on raspberry abusing your bandwidth?Records as jpeg, streams just by embedding the "jpeg" to page and use basic auth to restrict stream only so other people dont delete your records.RasPi propably doesnt have power to do motion detection or ffmpeg video export (just copy jpegs across network share and convert afterwards if you need to?).I got 360gig drive as storage, 13 days at 640x480 10-18 fps (motion detection to record higher fps, running on old toshiba laptop) 70 quality for jpeg.Filter rule to delete oldest footage when drive starts to get full, unless it is set to be archived.And free dynamic dns so I dont need to remember IPs.AKA poor mans DVR built from leftover parts.1280x720 would be three times bigger so 750gig would bee needed for seven days and even more for higher quality.That's what you pay for cloud services (or in ads).

author: IanJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 11:59:09 am
content: Hi all,I've been running a couple of IP webcams for a few years that are able to stream live video, Jpeg's and have a few different ways of doing so, i.e. FTP.http://www.y-cam.comLooking at their website again it looks like technlogy has moved on with them as I notice that they now offer FREE cloud recording also albeit I haven't tried it as I opted to save mine to an on-site NAS box (thus no PC is required at all). Not sure if the cloud recording offers anon user playback like Dropcam or if it's the owners data only.Here's my non-HD day cam & night vision cam (non ActiveX viewer) in my workshop.http://www.ianj.net:1966/en/quicktime_player.asphttp://www.ianj.net:1967/en/quicktime_player.aspLike I said, I used to run the cams through a PC app, but it takes a bit of looking after so in the end I got an old NAS box up & running and save directly to it.Ian.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 03:35:47 pm
content: Who Moved My Cheese is a great reading. It helps dealing with changes that life throws at us.I worked once for a startup that got acquired by Philippe Kahn and everybody got copy of that book.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 03:58:29 pm
content: Dropcam was offering a free upgraded camera a while ago, I do not know if it was USA specific, but if it is still operational and only US then Chris can just get one delivered to him, and post it to you. As to the old ones they do not want them back........

author: Jetan
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 08:56:35 pm
content: Dave: Do you consider using a (small) PC (with Windows) and one or more Webcams (can by a USB or IP Webcam) for this ?I have good experiences using the Blue Iris-Software :http://blueirissoftware.com/Pro: Good and cheep recording, alerting and remote viewing for users with permissions.Con: Local, not in the cloud, streaming to more users simultaneously uses more and more upload bandwidth. (But this can be limited in the software)

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 10:13:55 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2015, 09:14:03 amBut that's just a bad implementation.I have Hue lights I can control from my phone. You don't lose the traditional switch functionality - you just gain more. A good accessory is a Zigbee wall switch. Now you have all the original functionality, and much more.Tons of other possibilities also. A bad implementation from one specific vendor doesn't mean the whole concept is bad. Not to mention - Philips have sold millions of the Hue bulbs. Are millions of consumers wrong? If you think so... I'd like to be that wrong while I rake in a few hundred million a year

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 10:19:35 pm
content: Quote from: John Coloccia on March 09, 2015, 09:00:37 amIt's the whole IoT/connected home thing. I don't think it's such a huge thing in our industry purely based on hype - there is some substance behind it.So far I have connected thermostats at home and at work, webcams, controllable lighting and door locks. I'm going to add controllable window shades at work soon. All of these things offer me more power and control than what I had before, and either save me time or enhance my life. Having it just so you can show your friends that you can turn off the lights while you're in the toilet - sure, that's dumb. Being able to turn the lights on so the dog isn't in the dark when you're unexpectedly late... being able to flash the lights remotely to let a friend identify you're house when you're not there... being able to easily set up schedules for lights on/off by an internet page/app instead of a badly engineered "home automation" system... and much more. All of that is valuable.A lot of people are against it - but alot of people said the same about mobile phones too. There is a shitload of opportunity in this market... most of our revenue going forward is coming from IoT devices. Ride the wave

author: kjn4685
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 10:37:16 pm
content: I understand what Dave is talking about. I hate when you order a service at one price or agreement and then they either changed the agreement or the price. Good luck Dave.

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 10:49:16 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on March 09, 2015, 03:35:47 pmOT, but if I was ever handed a copy of that 'book' I'd start my job search immediately, if not sooner. its not insightful, its stupid and its an easy thing for management to give you, just as they are about to cut lotsa heads.no thanks! pop psych is BS.back on-topic, I had to laugh about the dropcam stuff. I was given a short-term project that involves hacking one, as a proof of concept. it seems its not too hard to get access to it and root it. maybe you should hack it if you are not going to use its services. I'll be happy to share my notes, once I get inside mine.

author: ozwolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2015, 11:04:48 pm
content: Quote from: george graves on March 09, 2015, 09:54:05 amBecause these companies are forgetting who the customer really is.Ozwolf

author: pbgben
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2015, 04:37:14 am
content: Anyone suggested using your RaspberryPi?http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-as-low-cost-HD-surveillance-camera/

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2015, 06:01:19 am
content: I don't think the PI will scale the bandwidth as needed, so you need to feed the stream to another system that can serve at least 100 people at any given time, but maybe the audience is larger at times so let's say it should support a peak of 1,000 users at any given point.

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2015, 07:04:00 am
content: influxis?

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2015, 01:19:39 pm
content: What's wrong with a normal IP camera?Does a fixed IP not exist in your area?

author: iamdarkyoshi
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2015, 02:30:06 pm
content: If you still have it, place that cheap-ass camcorder next to the sign, with the text: NEST IS --> (camcorder)

author: salsaman
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 10, 2015, 04:51:07 pm
content: Dave, you're doing right thing by complaining loudly and leaving if you don't like the changes. We all need to speak up when contracts we've agreed to are modified to our detriment. This is what we have to learn to expect from "cloud" services: it'stheircloud,neverours. There's always a "we reserve the right to change this ToS" clause.We shouldn't forget the comic of two pigs marveling at their free room and board; of course it feels worse to be the bacon when you're paying!

author: richms
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 11, 2015, 09:23:41 pm
content: Just whatever you do don't start port forwarding to random appliances like I see so often come up in discussions like this.Know a couple of people that had their lans compromised and the most likely suspect was a cheap DVR that a "security installer" had configured to be wide open to the internet so that they could see the cameras from their mobile phones when out. Damn thing also tried to open ports up with upnp if you are crazy enough to still have that enabled on your firewall.

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 11, 2015, 10:01:37 pm
content: Quote from: Galenbo on March 10, 2015, 01:19:39 pmHaving viewers use the local stream will consume lots of bandwidth on Dave's account. And will be slow and inefficient for global scalable use. Better to use a distributed global server system (Akamai, AWS etc) so that the stream looks good anywhere, and the bandwidth consumed by Dave is the single stream to the aggregator. There are several streaming providers out there that do this. Influxis was the first to sprint to mind that is used by Joel Zimmerman in his live streams from the studio.

author: funfairEE
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 09:13:36 pm
content: If you are using it for security records then I would have to grit my teeth and singe up for the nest account, that way you know you are going to get a good fairly reliable recording. but if its just so you can take a look then id go for an ad-supported Ustream account and not have the stream in HD. From memory I seem to remember a limit on recording time with ustream unfortunately.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 11:20:43 pm
content: Does it have to be a live video stream? Could you not just upload a JPEG every few (10?) seconds to your hosting provider and refresh the page automatically? Whilst you're not getting live video, the quality would be far better.

author: Tallie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 12:18:18 am
content: Quote from: ozwolf on March 09, 2015, 11:04:48 pmNobody here is a customer of Google... we are the product.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 12:31:10 am
content: Quote from: Galenbo on March 10, 2015, 01:19:39 pmPlenty.I have a large audience, and I do not want everyone sucking bandwidth with each connection, that would be completely unworkable.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 12:34:01 am
content: Quote from: DrGeoff on March 10, 2015, 07:04:00 amStarts at $100/month for 100 connections.

author: 8086
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 12:39:54 am
content: any linux machine (RPi, other ARM, normal PC, laptop, etc) and USB webcam+ fswebcam+ upload to remote server+ simple script to repeat every 1/2/5/10 seconds= done

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 12:49:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 15, 2015, 12:34:01 amDo you have more than 100 simultaneous connections to the webcam?I'd be interested in seeing what the usage and connection stats are.Therre will be others that offer similar video distribution packages I'm sure.

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 12:53:59 am
content: Quote from: 8086 on March 15, 2015, 12:39:54 amQuite a few HD IP CCTV cameras do all this for you as well.However make sure it is isolated on the network, they can also contain security vulnerabilities.

author: ozwolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 01:18:13 am
content: Quote from: Tallie on March 15, 2015, 12:18:18 amOk, I'll bite. Why are we the product? Nothing forces me to use Google.

author: ozwolf
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 01:23:20 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 15, 2015, 12:31:10 amAs part of that large audience, I really miss not being able to "peek over your shoulder", to see what you are up to.I hope you are able to find an acceptable solution.

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 02:17:41 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on March 15, 2015, 02:01:46 amGoogle is currently the largest private spy agency.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 02:50:44 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on March 15, 2015, 02:01:46 amHere is an example, I was reading your post above and Eevblog reported it to six 3rd party services (see Ghostery's alert at the lower right corner) that can crawl this page and match interest.===== screenshot below =======

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 05:08:17 am
content: You forgot the supplyframe ad, the rest are all redirects from the googlesyncication script.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 08:07:02 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on March 15, 2015, 02:01:46 amIt was "money for the venture boys". Plus they wanted the former head of Apple's Ipod and another Apple Alumni.The Nest data is not worth anything remotely $3.2BN, Google could have gotten the same data in different ways for an order or two magnitude less than that.Sure they wanted the data as you say, but it's not the only reason why they paid that much.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2015, 12:51:09 am
content: Quote from: DrGeoff on March 11, 2015, 10:01:37 pmDoes, in that case, the camera stream video to the server constantly? Or only when >=1 viewers are connected? Must be a huge bandwidth cost to stream 1Mpixel 15fps, or what is generally used for this?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 16, 2015, 01:03:13 am
content: Quote from: Galenbo on March 16, 2015, 12:51:09 amUsing a video CDN like Ustream or dropcam etc mean only one connection me my cam to the CDN, and it doesn't matter how many people connect, the CDN handles all that bandwidth.H264 compression is used for live feeds, otherwise, yes the bandwidth would be too large for my monthly ISP cap. Dropcam is heavily compressed in this way.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2015, 01:20:35 am
content: Quote from: Galenbo on March 16, 2015, 12:51:09 amNo, because it also records it regardless of viewers. The stream should compress well most of the time because it's mostly static.

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2015, 01:39:01 am
content: Quote from: Galenbo on March 16, 2015, 12:51:09 amIt is streamed at full HD. And the camera (and audio) streams continuously to the aggregating server. Not sure of the compression, but I'd guess it is H264 or H265.I guess it depends on the pricing models of teh local ISP, the aggregator and bandwidth you have available. The influxis streams I've seen from Canada are very good. There may be other local streaming operations in Sydney that Dave could use, it depends on what budget he has for this kind of stream. As others have said, for images only, a 2s jpg snapshot to a web page could also be used.

author: boffin
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timestamp: March 29, 2015, 05:53:35 pm
content: If you can get something to rtsp stream (and that should be doable w/ a RPi and a webcam), you can then front end that with a CDN like Amazon Cloudfront. I haven't actually tried it that way, and don't know how many backend streams Amazon's front end caching servers would open to your system, but it would be a lot better than streaming directly.Our office webcam is a 10yr old digital camera (Canon S50) and an RPi that just uploads to a remote server every two minutes..By having a good quality camera in a good solid mount, the auto-exposure can take some pretty nice night shots. Yes we do downscale to 960x540 but I also have a full HD if I want it, and for fun we stitch together all of the daily shots into a little movie like thishttp://webcam.visioncritical.com/20150322.mp4