WeSupergreen Energy. Genius or Scam - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: JayDubya
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 14, 2021, 05:10:13 am
content: Hey guys/gals, I just wanted to get confirmation of my deductions from some experts here. So please… be gentle.It is hard to pinpoint what exactly this company is claiming but they do have a patent. It seems to me they are marketing one thing but their patent isn’t exactly what they are marketing. I believe it’s a (not so) fresh spin on perpetual/free energy… thus a very gutsy hoax.Seems they are trying to ride the renewable energy wave/hype/desperation and raise capital and now they are trying to go public (maybe).Code:https://WeSupergreen.comHere is one of their schematics. Which to me shows nothing of note basically. “Tesdison” is their ground breaking technology according to their website.Here is the patent:https://uspto.report/patent/grant/10,547,179They had a NTS test done but did not actually post the test. Just the signed page of the NTS report.Code:https://wesupergreen.com/we-sge-tesdison-test-results/What do you think? To me it seems pretty obvious scam. But maybe I’m getting confused by their marketing as they do have a patent after all.Anyhow if anyone looks at this and can help me make sense of it… thanks in advance.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2021, 05:24:21 am
content: Self-charging unit? Sealed black box that self destructs if opened? Do you even really need to ask? Of course it's just another over-unity scam.

author: JayDubya
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 14, 2021, 05:47:34 am
content: Hah yes. My reaction as well. The blatancy is what struck and caused me pause. “Surely they aren’t risking prison and huge monetary penalties on this.” But I guess they are. Should be an entertaining story to follow nonetheless. Hopefully not that many investors get burned.

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2021, 07:18:49 am
content: The burden of proof for any 'free energy' device is extremely large. A suitable procedure could be:Weigh it, then put it on a moveable Perspex stand so there can be no concealed feed to it and let it power a resistive load bank through a traceably calibrated energy meter*at a high enough power for long enough#to eliminate any possibility its any sort of known battery, then finally weigh it again, all under the supervision of at least three professionally qualified independent observers.Oddly enough, none of the 'free energy'/'over unity' kooks and scammers are willing to pay for such testing to be done on their devices, or show continuous footage of such a test, moving to get enough camera angles to make fakery unlikely, and if anyone tries to arrange for such testing to be done, their devices are mysteriously out of order or unavailable.This article on the USPTO and perpetual motion patents may be of interest:https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2011/10/11/the-patent-law-of-perpetual-motion/id=19828/* Some 'inventers' have deceived others and even themselves with pulsed currents or voltages that exceed the capabilities of their instrumentation to accurately record, so one would also need to monitor waveforms on a scope to check that the current or voltage crest factor doesn't exceed that permitted by the energy meter's specifications.#https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density_Extended_Reference_Table

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2021, 01:13:55 pm
content: The fact that they have a patent means that they filled out a form and it did not get shot down by a bored patent clerk. There's a host of nonsense patents.Quickly looking over their patent (might have missed something) it seems that they are not so much as patenting their self charging thingie or energy booster thingie, but rather some heftier, but normal UPS.Only 3 pages of the 39 page NTS report are shown. Two of those seem to be in a notably different style than the first page.Seems very scamy, buyer and investor beware.

author: JayDubya
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 14, 2021, 01:31:49 pm
content: Thanks for checking it out. It’s been a long while since I looked at a circuit diagram but that’s the gist I got as well by looking at the patent and then comparing it to their claims. Again I’m just shocked at the guts of these people at how far they are pushing this. I suppose they are hoping it will be hard to prove malice. Interesting the “genius” inventor is rather absent.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2021, 06:52:07 pm
content: QuoteQuoteBut if you're not convinced yet...QuoteThat's for sure.

author: JayDubya
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 17, 2021, 04:43:34 pm
content: Some of the companies other products. A product suite of scam tech? WowCode:https://weworldenergy.com

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2021, 06:14:28 pm
content: Yeah well. The whole world itself is becoming a scam.

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2021, 07:48:29 pm
content: Lol, not just water, but "glacial water".

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2021, 08:59:15 pm
content: I noticed that too. If you want glacial water it has to come from a glacier, there are lots of other ways to get pure clean water but it's still not glacial.

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2021, 10:32:57 pm
content: Well theoretically you could have a water purifier feeding a snow machine feeding a miniature glacier, however you'd have to wait a very long time for your first cup of glacier water out, as it isn't a glacier unless the ice mass is (or was) experiencing plastic flow solely due to its mass and the action of gravity, and with a very limited mass of ice, said plastic flow will be *EXTREMELY* slow!

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2021, 11:10:23 pm
content: Quote(My bolding)So sorry - cannot happen. Oh, unless they can create a microuniverse with new laws of physics.Oh wait - they got an AI chipset - sorry maybe I spoke too soon ...

author: JayDubya
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 18, 2021, 03:33:44 am
content: “…generates pure glacial water anywhere and anytimeat a fraction of the cost”Fraction compared to what? Towing a glacier?

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 18, 2021, 03:00:25 pm
content: Maybe I am seeing ghosts here, but this whole threadmightjust be an unusually elaborate version of link spamming.We have had examples before where the spammer put their links in a context of criticizing the product. Doesn't matter to them, since it's not about attracting forum users to the site in order to sell products directly. It's all about improving their site's Google page rank, via links from highly ranked sites like eevblog.com, and links placed in a critical context work just as well for that.This particular thread would be unusual in that the original poster took the effort to come back over several days, engage in dialog, and thank a couple of posts from others. But he certainly dropped plenty of links (to HTML pages and images), registered on the forum directly before making the first post, and has not contributed to any other topics.Should we ask to mods to remove all links and replace them by plain text references to the URLs only? That would keep the information intact for human readers, but make the links useless for a spamming attempt.@JayDubya -- come to think of it, couldyouedit your posts to change the links to plain text? That would dispel any concerns that you might be a spammer. Thanks!

author: JayDubya
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 18, 2021, 06:02:25 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on August 18, 2021, 03:00:25 pmSure. NpDone. However, they still look like hyperlinks though my browser. Good to know you don’t really need the “” stuff anyway.I’m not associated with the company, for whatever that is worth.Last edit: if anything else let me know. Also, I’ve thanked every post. How dare you.

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 18, 2021, 06:48:40 pm
content: Unfortunately SMF forums converts anything that 'smells' like a URL to a hyperlink unless you break the URL till it no longer 'smells' URLish. URLs broken with spaces or by replacing the dots are incredibly annoying so please don't do that. Instead wrap the URL in SMF BBCODEcode tags, which you can get from the forum's full editor toolbar [#] button, (mouseover 'Insert Code') or type them manually*as:URL goes herewhich hides it from the hyperlinkifier, but still lets us select the URL text and right-click copy/paste or even go to it.e.g.Code:https://wesupergreen.com/we-sge-tesdison-test-results/* Do *NOT* copy the visible 'code tags' above as I used BBCODE syntax breakers to show them rather than their result.

author: JayDubya
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 18, 2021, 08:52:51 pm
content: Alright there you go. Thanks.

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 18, 2021, 10:30:52 pm
content: To me the real proof that this is a scam is that almost all of the block diagram that they provide is not necessary if their magic box actually works. Why go to the trouble of connecting with the grid and doing all the associated switching etc.? It is the standard magicians misdirection trick.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2021, 01:04:26 am
content: Quote from: CatalinaWOW on August 18, 2021, 10:30:52 pmYeah, if you can't blind them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit. There's even a classic pitfall the over-unity guys often fall into themselves, they add enough complexity to the system that they fool themselves into believing it could work by obfuscating the gotchas where the laws of energy screw everything up.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2021, 01:37:04 am
content: Yes, but I admit this one has something.The "Sealed black box, self-destruction if opened" is hilarious. Thank you guys!

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2021, 01:38:05 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 19, 2021, 01:37:04 amIs it lead lined too? Because some of us have access to xray machines.

author: JayDubya
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 24, 2021, 02:33:07 pm
content: And… the saga continueshttps://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/08/24/2285696/0/en/Global-Tech-Industries-Group-Inc-We-Supergreen-Energy-Corp-and-the-We-SuperGreen-Energy-Corp-Shareholders-Enter-into-Definitive-Letter-Agreement.htmlQuote

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2021, 04:09:46 pm
content: And... looking at the buyer, you'll have as much fun:http://gtii-us.com/

author: Gregg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2021, 05:36:15 pm
content: I see a great retirement scheme in action here:Study the field of gullible companies with capital to throw away then dream up a silly free energy scheme with new or remixed elements. Market the hell out of your ideas on all available inexpensive platforms. Be sure to get your plan noticed by previously mentioned gullible companies and sell at the most reasonable offer.Then take the money and run.

author: JayDubya
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 24, 2021, 06:08:17 pm
content: People so desperate to hit the lotto. They are blinded of good sense by greed.Just some more looking into these two companies… Or shall I say “companies” because if either one made $.01 in revenue then they would have record years. Lol.If a company could do half the things this one claims it can do it would be the largest company in the world.Take any angle and it makes zero sense.Such great products and revolutionary tech that every VC and/or corporation wasn’t throwing billions at them? And they are being acquired for 100,000 shares of a penny stock OTC that has a 16 year history of “buying” worthless companies? In the least a SPAC on nasdaq/nyse would be in the works.I am looking forward to watching the exit strategy.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2021, 07:05:55 am
content: Quote from: Gregg on August 24, 2021, 05:36:15 pmNot sure whether the buyer GTII is in the group of "gullible companies" here, or rather "gulling companies catering to gullible investors". It's a food chain with multiple levels, I guess...