How do you feel being backdoored in your bed? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2025, 03:35:55 pm
content: Asubscription-only bed($19/mo.) with a backdoor:Eight Sleep.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2025, 08:57:23 pm
content: Look; at this stage of the game, anyone, and I mean anyone who has any of these "smart" devices in their home deserves the negative consequences of allowing all that spyware into their domicile. I mean, it's not as if we don't know how these things work or what their real purpose probably is.If you have them, then you're like a sheep being led to the slaughter.

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2025, 09:58:28 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on February 28, 2025, 03:35:55 pmI think this belongs in theBad Electronics Jokesthread

author: schmitt trigger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2025, 10:59:12 pm
content: Hopefully the bed doesn’t include accelerometers that can detect the presence of rhythmic movements, which would command Alexa to start listening.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2025, 11:00:22 pm
content: Quote from: schmitt trigger on February 28, 2025, 10:59:12 pmAh, but it just might.No telling just how pervy those IoT techies are ...

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2025, 07:04:41 pm
content: Quote from: schmitt trigger on February 28, 2025, 10:59:12 pmPressure applied to bed changes water flow, which in turn affects by how much water temperature rises in the heating element, which can be measured by the temperature sensor. Since we’re talking about sineful activity, it should be easy to detect with FFT. So who knows?Quote from: Analog Kid on February 28, 2025, 08:57:23 pmJust-world fallacynever helped anybody, and it is antithesis to improvement. Not only that, but — a separate issue — you missed that many people may have no real choice.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2025, 10:21:42 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on March 01, 2025, 07:04:41 pmFair 'nuf about the "just world" thing, I guess.But regarding people who may not have a choice: really? I mean, who isrequiredto have a "smart" device in their home? Alexa, Siri, Meta glasses, etc.Sure, I can see how people are being more and more forced to rely on a mobile device (phone, tablet) to conduct the business of their life. But those other devices, so far as I can tell, are entirely optional.People are trading privacy for convenience there, not out of necessity.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2025, 11:14:32 pm
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on March 01, 2025, 10:21:42 pm“Smart” devices, with equally problematic traits, are not only the novelty items. Currently those include cars, energy meters, TVs,(1), CCTV-style cameras to start with the most common ones. And it spreads to printers, tools, home control, and medical devices. With more and more simple interactions requiring a smartphone with either Goofle or Apple stores, or a subscription to a particular service, or at least waiving your rights.Fun, optional gadgets aren’t a distinct problem. They got “swallowed” by this process.(1)Before you say that nobody watches TV nowadays: they’re used as large displays for watching movies.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2025, 11:47:25 pm
content: Yeah. I guess we really are doomed.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 02, 2025, 04:39:47 am
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on March 01, 2025, 11:47:25 pmStart collecting decent devices and items now that aren't "smart" before it's too late.This reminds me of a quote from Back to the Future: "This  has a very interesting feature, a dust jacket. Books used to have these to protect the covers, of course, that was before they changed to dust repellent paper".

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2025, 10:31:05 am
content: The worst part is that EULAs will probably (when they don't already) make it "illegal" to use said devices without the IoT part. That is, is users find ways to use the device without any internet connection, that may well break the EULA.Eventually, using any kind of active device without it being "connected" may become illegal (possibly with a very strict list of exceptions) with the rationale that being off-network would be a threat to national security and a sign that you're on the verge of wrongdoing.Sounds appealing.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2025, 08:04:10 pm
content: Doomed? Let’s not fall into the trap of unbounded extrapolation of a trend.Humans have two great features. One is called irrationality. Don’t underestimate its power, as it shaped the entire history. The other are teenagers. If you doubt that uncontrollable force, make a teenager and then try to contain or predict them.But, most notably, it’s up to you to educate fellow people and promote ideas.

author: Geoff-AU
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2025, 01:11:11 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on March 02, 2025, 04:39:47 amMy neighbour likes tech and is surprised I don't have smart-everything because he considers me to be even more techy than he is.I agree with his assessment and as a result Idon'thave smart-everything

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2025, 02:18:58 pm
content: Quote from: Geoff-AU on March 21, 2025, 01:11:11 amAs Rabelais wrote in the XVIth century (yes, 500 years ago), "Science sans conscience n'est que ruine de l'âme.", which roughly translates to: "Science without conscience is but the ruin of the soul."