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author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 02:01:25 pm
content: Like this radiation blocking laptop case.http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/safesleeve-the-all-in-one-radiation-blocking-laptop-caseIt's got $9k already. Wow.

author: Dr.Fiero
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 02:21:53 pm
content: 4 people already took a distributor pack @ $900!I'm pretty sure if you get 2 of those it also comes with a set of tinfoil hats too. :p

author: TimNJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 02:35:10 pm
content: I don't understand. If this sleeve blocks EMR, then wouldn't the laptop's wireless systems be compromised as well?

author: nuhamind2
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 04:04:37 pm
content: The campaign hasn't finished but someone already bought 2 for their grandchidlren

author: kfitch42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 06:59:59 pm
content: Referencing unidentified research it says:QuoteHmm, quick sanity check:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss_(unit)QuoteZOMG!!!!! The Earth causes cancer!!

author: kfitch42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 07:12:13 pm
content: Quote from: TimNJ on May 04, 2013, 02:35:10 pmSilly, you misunderstood the purpose of the product. It is not about a well reasoned attempt to make the world better through the application of well understood principles at the nexus of medicine/biology/physics/engineering.It is about FEARMONGERING in a friendly, clean, and fashionable package.

author: Dr.Fiero
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 07:52:12 pm
content: Quote from: kfitch42 on May 04, 2013, 07:12:13 pmYou forgot profitable.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 07:58:33 pm
content: QuoteAnyone want to start an Indiegogo fund to pay this guy never to use the word "paradoxically" again? I've got $500 - who's with me?

author: Jon86
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 08:25:45 pm
content: Oh this is hilariousI mean, it would make a little tiny bit of sense if these people actually knew a little bit of physics, but... Oh god.

author: MacAttak
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 08:28:27 pm
content: On the positive side of things, I think they have a really good chance of delivering their product on time. I mean, it's just a leather laptop sleeve.

author: TimNJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 08:55:22 pm
content: Okay but presume that this thing "actually worked" though its intentions I'm still not sure of, wouldn't a so called radiation blocker limit the laptops wireless capabilities?What would they even put in there? A sheet of lead?

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 09:06:14 pm
content: QuoteNo - they specifically say it's not leadMu metal perhapsThe screen seems to be intended to go under the laptop - presumably the dangerous radiation only goes down

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 09:17:54 pm
content: Quote from: TimNJ on May 04, 2013, 08:55:22 pmYes, as well as your view of the display...

author: Keef Wivanef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 10:25:49 pm
content: Goodness gracious....great BALLS of fire

author: TimNJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 10:28:07 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on May 04, 2013, 09:17:54 pmWhy display?

author: Keef Wivanef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 10:35:01 pm
content: Duh!

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 11:18:22 pm
content: If they truly want to shield the laptop, they must also shield the LCD. In fact, as far as EMI goes, that is one of the largest sources of it. Ever thought about the pixel clock of a modern LCD? 1280 cols x 800 rows x 3 subpixels x 60 frames/sec = 184 MHz. Each data driver (at the top or bottom of the LCD) has to handle that and there are 3,840 of them.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 11:22:17 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on May 04, 2013, 11:18:22 pmYeah, but then you wouldn't be able to flog a product that "worked"So best not to mention pesky details like that!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 04, 2013, 11:33:14 pm
content: Classic snake oil product that takes a few basic scientific ideas, a few measurements, and extrapolates a supposed needed solution.Throw in the obligatory fear mongering, happy photo of the family, and some quotes from dodgy doctorshttp://www.emfandhealth.com/Samuel%20Milham.htmlAnd it's a perfectly executed useless product campaign, well done!I won't use the word scam, because:a) these people usually really do passionately believe this stuffb) I think they'll actually deliver a reasonable quality product, and intend to.c) The measurements are likely real (but they don't actually show what they claim of course, but minor detail)So this one wins the classic snake oil award of the week

author: Keef Wivanef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2013, 12:05:24 am
content: I've got my al-foil hat on!http://www.eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2013, 04:06:14 am
content: I haven't fathered any children yetI think I'll wrap "the boys" in al-foil when I use the laptop. I mean, radiation only goes down, right?

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2013, 04:30:06 am
content: Quote from: TimNJ on May 04, 2013, 10:28:07 pmBecause light is EM radiation.

author: Dr.Fiero
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 05, 2013, 05:41:36 am
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on May 04, 2013, 09:06:14 pmAs long as its not Mu thermal.... Oops, wrong scam!

author: TimNJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2013, 01:53:25 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on May 05, 2013, 04:30:06 amOh derppp.Very dangerous EMR!!!

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2013, 01:56:53 pm
content: Quote from: TimNJ on May 05, 2013, 01:53:25 pmHey, I've got an EM burn all over my arms and face! That visible radiation is hazardous.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2013, 01:58:15 pm
content: Radiation shield in the bottom = steel sheet.

author: TimNJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 12:06:38 am
content: Nice and lightweight...

author: killernat
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 05:01:00 am
content: The only "benefit" would be reducing the heat your balls get. that was a big deal a while ago right ? heat from your laptop killing sperm but yeh this thing goes right along with sticking a box full of caps to the mains to "save money from wasted power"

author: Dongulus
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 05:27:37 am
content: Well, shit... these guys went to the same university that I just graduated from. I checked, and thankfully they aren't EE's.I'm baffled as to why they plan to offer a N0N-RADIATION BLOCKING version of a product designed with the intent of blocking radiation.

author: adept
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 05:58:21 am
content: considering it only costs as much as many normal laptop cases and its also reasonably high quality, not to mention aesthetically appealing, I think I understand why people bought them. now the emf stuff is definitely whack and it really won't make a difference whether there is shielding or not in the case, but now that I think of it, having a nice solid piece of metal protecting my laptop actually doesn't seem like that bad of an idea.What do you guys think?

author: Zapro
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 06:24:13 am
content: I really like that all their advertising material is showing their product with Unibody Macbook Pro's. - Guys, the case is all aluminum, and the only place it radiates is trough the front of the top case with LCD panel and Wifi antennae...These guys know nothing about EMF...Sigh...// Per.

author: taemun
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 07:40:39 am
content: (Ever so) slightly off-topic, but I got a whole barrel of crazy right here:I now only accept health related advice from people who affect a middle name of "Avocado".For extra credit, just consider the balls it must take to simultaneously sell people "Earthing" gear, to remove the nasty voltages, and also gear which intentionally shocks people to make them live longer:http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/LongevityZapper2-3-p/longevityzapper2.3.htmQuote from: Crazy ass websiteNo wai?! Grounding and zapping at the same time doesn't work!?

author: TriodeTiger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 08:13:23 am
content: Quote from: kfitch42 on May 04, 2013, 06:59:59 pmI thought this too, when looking up basic things when I was curious a year ago. It turns out, it is because of its alternating qualities that causes it to be (possibly) harmful to processes unknown in our bodies.Electric radiation (volts per square metre) can be blocked by copper, or, er, tin foil, but magnetic (it's electromagnetic after all, right?) cannot.There are highly permeable materials out there, one was mentioned Mu-Metal, much higher is Metglas whatever that is. From what I recall, the pricing of the sheets of MuMetal (which have to apparently be re-fired or something when they're molded to the desired shape) is not too far-fetched for $70 they're asking. It seems ferrites lay two orders of magnitude smaller in permeability. Not sure what they'd do to fields, or if they are good enough.I remember joking about making a faraday-cage for both fields once, seemed a little pricy.Also, I guess wifi is safe as it does not penetrate very far ... so as long as the case is insulative, or , brings your underparts far away from the laptop to prevent direct heat transfer - you'll do okay for wifi or .. heat. Maybe that's the secret?Tiger.

author: RCMR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 08:26:31 am
content: Hmmmm... maybe if it had the words "nanotech" or "graphene" in there somewhere it'd be worth buying

author: Sionyn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 08:39:41 am
content: this is like the dirty electricity topic on eevblog forumunfortunately this fad seems to of hit the news also

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 09:17:34 am
content: Dirty electricity? You mean... like, as dirty as it can be between male jacks and female receptacles?Oh... we talk about real electricity here. For a moment i thought... erm... dirty...(See, this stuff really is dangerous -- to my moral health, at least.)

author: joblessalex
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 09:30:32 am
content: Quote from: taemun on May 06, 2013, 07:40:39 amMy forehead is bright red, and I think there is a dent in my scull.That was the funniest thing I've seen in a while, especially when he grounded the scope probe and when he called the various switching frequencies "harmonics"!

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 11:00:24 am
content: Quote from: joblessalex on May 06, 2013, 09:30:32 amThis guy is genuinely funny throughout. He made me laugh out so hard and long, it was better cardio training than any other physical exercise. Too sad he does not seem to realize that by presenting his sales pitch on a stage he could be making tons more money just by ticket sales alone...And, yes. I, too, am an electrical creature before i am an chemical creature!EDIT: I stand corrected. This guy actually tours internationally. Just not doing the kind of shows i would pay any attention to (nutrition advice shows). Maybe i should go watching one of his shows...

author: Sam__
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 11:07:32 am
content: I think this is relevant.http://xkcd.com/925/

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 11:18:20 am
content: Quote from: Sam__ on May 06, 2013, 11:07:32 amNo, of course cell phones do not cause cancer. We all know that making love in autumn will cause cancer...

author: timonthegreat
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 11:32:51 am
content: I should strap some over my body and visit the chernobyl power plant see how well they "block" radiation

author: Sionyn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 11:33:29 am
content: i remember bbc getting on the elecromagetic sacre band wagon

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 12:03:19 pm
content: That episode... was just cringeworthy. I think the Beeb apologised over that one in the end. It was just so... wrong. In so many ways.

author: NurseBob
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 02:14:10 pm
content: Quote from: Sionyn on May 06, 2013, 08:39:41 amOne of my Nurse coworkers is absolutely convinced that the smart meters are dangerous to her health due to the RF, and spends hours on her cellphone telling her patients about the risk...NurseBob

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 02:22:47 pm
content: How sad.

author: Sionyn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 03:16:10 pm
content: iv posted this before its some guy who worked for FDA and busted myths about radio frequency radiation

author: Sionyn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 03:20:52 pm
content: this phobia over em radiation seems very prevalent more idiots scared of em radiationhow long till they ban the sun ? that is kicking out EM radiationhttp://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20130205/03222421885/canadian-schools-ban-wifi-based-bad-science.shtml

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 03:55:59 pm
content: Mr Avocado does not understand class Y caps. The effect of seeing a potential to ground is quite common (on unearthed power supplies.)

author: BillGeo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 08:12:16 pm
content: Quote from: taemun on May 06, 2013, 07:40:39 amI didn't know that hype!"dirty electricity..."Really???"... the earths antioxidant electrical nutrition pushes of the negative dirty EMF..."Seriously?WTF!!!!And scared clueless parents with small kids will be scared and coned out of their hard earned money by this...!?I feel sad for the human race!And it gets worse every day!

author: Vernon
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 06, 2013, 08:26:04 pm
content: Apparently it wasn't RF topics that they studied in school. "Hey let's design and sell a waveguide pad that focuses microwave frequency emissions on our nuts!"

author: maiakaat
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2013, 07:08:46 pm
content: Quote from: elgonzo on May 06, 2013, 09:17:34 amCareful, some software engineers have been sacked for saying something like thathttp://techcrunch.com/2013/03/21/a-dongle-joke-that-spiraled-way-out-of-control/

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 07, 2013, 07:45:17 pm
content: Quote from: maiakaat on May 07, 2013, 07:08:46 pmWTF? That went nuclear for no reason... Tell me this can happen only in the US. Please tell me...

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2013, 08:07:15 pm
content: Quote from: kfitch42 on May 04, 2013, 06:59:59 pmaaaaaaah . living results in dying... inescapable !medically speaking life is a serious condition to which 100% of patients eventually succumb ...