Video: Moar water powered powar.  - Page 1
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author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2022, 05:13:42 am
content: Call me skeptic, but a normal engine on hydrogenHydrogen has more explosive power so how long will it take before it cracksAnd they never show the hydrogen tube being connected to the carburetor, even though they pan over the engineEven though hydrogen can be generated this way, does it produce enough to sustain an engine with it.My verdict: Bullshit.

author: f4eru
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2022, 10:24:33 am
content: - Running an ICE on hydrogendebunked....- generating free energydebunked....what really happens when you try water in an engine :priceless :

author: rob77
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2022, 12:32:56 pm
content: ok.. so instead of using electricity i already have to power my angle grinder.... i'm going to use it for water electrolysis with great losses and then use that hydroxy gas created to feed an ICE powered generator to loose another 70%-80% and then power my angle grinder.... yup sounds logical... shut up and take my money !actually i came up with a solid-state version, no risk of explosion and it's wasting the same amount of energy... - take a giant halogen lamp and a solar panel, arrange them in a big trashcan and you're golden

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2022, 09:20:41 pm
content: Quoteat 14:50 on you can see they poke the clear hydrogen pipe up what used to be the fuel pipe to the tank.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2022, 09:32:49 pm
content: QuoteThat would be a good argument if he were using mains to generate the hydrogen, but I think you missed that it's meant to be a portable generator, hence self-contained.Note that I am not rooting for it. Just pointing out that calling it bollocks for a plainly wrong and easily refuted reason is just playing into their hands.

author: rob77
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2022, 10:07:49 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on June 17, 2022, 09:32:49 pmwhere did i mention mainshe starts the electrolysis (apparently from the generator's battery) and then starts the generator... he's loosing energy right there - the gas he makes will release less energy after burning than the energy input from the battery for the electrolysis and the combustion engine powered generator will convert only 20-30% of the energy in the gas into electrical energy.so it's impossible to make it self sustained , the energy comes from the battery.. no discussion here.. law of energy conservation is on my sideso in fact you would be far better powering the angle grinder from inverter connected to starting battery of that generator.the whole thing is big scam - the magioc HH+ ingredient will be just potassium hydroxide which is commonly used in water electrolysis (table salt would lead to chlorine gas production).another dead giveaway is the video itself... too much emphasis on simple mechanical tasks (drilling, cutting, tightening nuts...etc..) simple tasks means simple people can easily relate to it and easily fall for the scam.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2022, 10:29:54 pm
content: QuoteYes, of course. Maybe it was the way you phrased it or I just read it wrong, but you seemed to be suggesting it needed a continuous external source (other than the battery, which allegedly only starts it so isn't powering the tool), and since we're talking mains-powered tools that means mains.The battery: no-one would suggest that the battery is providing the generator input for a normal generator.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 18, 2022, 04:27:11 am
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on June 17, 2022, 09:20:41 pmYes you are right, he sticks the tube in, but when the engine is running you can't see where the fuel for the engine comes from. And it is running way to smooth to my taste. I'm no expert on combustion engines, but my gut feeling tells me there won't be enough hydrogen generated to sustain even a proper engine made for running on hydrogen.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 18, 2022, 09:57:08 am
content: QuoteI didn't have the sound, but it looked to start way too easily and run far too nicely with a carb and timing set up for petrol.This type of fueling has its ownwikipedia page.

author: Refrigerator
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 18, 2022, 11:23:15 am
content: Hydrogen is not great for internal combustion engines because the flame front is much faster. Therefore the combustion speed and, as a result, the peak cylinder pressure are both higher.More pressure means more stress in the piston and con-rod, meaning that, for the same output power, a hydrogen powered ICE would need to have heavier internals, compared to a gasoline or diesel counterpart.AFAIK hydrogen fuel cells are a better way of using hydrogen than an ICE.Here's a pretty good video on hydrogen fuel cells: