How Not to Save a Country - Page 1
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author: pirulo123
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 02:12:02 pm
content: Images from Greece have circumvented the globe many times in the last few months.Why is the government buying the same recipe the FMI has been selling for decades without any real success?, There is a growing number of countries that have decided to kick them out of their territory and doing fine and growing!Why regular people believe this institution will care for them?, they are here to protect the interest of the upper class, everyone knows that... I can believe the government turns their back to the same people who put them where they are...No economic crisis last forever but if you give everything away just to get through the day, like privatizing everything that's just nonsense.I can't believe Greece is falling out to the same shit they give us in the 90' Back then they convinced us to privatize the state, and later we find out our water, our electricity, our soil and everything else was own by someone else that doesn't even care about this country and their people.A good friend of mine once told me, if you can't even run a business then how are you supposed to run a country ? If the government needs to privatize the state because there loosing money then they should go away !!!I just can't belive they're buying this nonsense from the UE and the FMI (last commanded by a sex offender) amazing....Greece WAKEUP!!!May there be pace for them.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 02:53:04 pm
content: the answer is simple. the one who choose the imf is not greece, is not its people. but the one who in power and get bribed from imf people. that simple. the police is their instrument, people and country are the victim.

author: Frangible
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 03:01:26 pm
content: Watch for this to happen in the U.S. very soon. It's called "I want everything, but don't want to pay for it." Eventually it catches up.

author: bilko
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 03:23:24 pm
content: Quote from: Frangible on June 29, 2011, 03:01:26 pmTrue for many countries, including the UK where the government actively encourages it.

author: MrPlacid
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 03:35:39 pm
content: Nope, not gonna happen to the US anytime soon. Maybe 20-50 years from now. We're gonna keep kicking the can down the road till then.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 03:36:07 pm
content: Thank you pirulo.I want to make a minor, yet very important, clarification for those that watch the news but dont live it first hand.I was watching the news today (here in the UK) live from Syntagma square (square of constitution, central) outside the parliament. There was a lot of teargas/stone fighting between 'protesters' wearing teargas masks and 'police' forces.The point I want to make crystal clear for international viewers is that these 'protesters' are actually put there by the goverment in collaboration with the police forces. The reason is to prevent peaceful demonstrations by 100s of thousands of Greeks that are fed up with the goverment's uncontrolled thirst for selfish, short term profit. If you look closely, there are 50 or so 'protesters' actually causing the chaos. On the other side, hundrends of 'police' forces with shields, gases etc. It would take 5 minutes to gather the mob that is causing the disturbance, really.But no, if they did that then the pressure from peaceful protests would mount again for change of the status quo. Thats the last thing they want.To illustrate my point compare the following pictures. The first three are from the gathering a few weeks ago, and the second three are from today (or other protests, you get the idea). Sorry for the varying sizes, please hold Ctrl and scroll down to zoom out for a better view.Greece, the country that brought you democracy -or at least the concept- is going through tragic moments at the moment. Not just because of uninsured debt, but mostly reasons that were present during and after the civil war (1945-49) when political parties sought to take power following the second world war. Some say the civil war never really ended until when the peaceful gatherings started. Whatever happens, I am sure something good will come out of it eventually.

author: Sionyn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 04:03:01 pm
content: agreed alex i have my suspicions about these protesters too much the same as the student protest last year if there not directly controlling it there certainly playing games with people.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 04:52:11 pm
content: The moment the Greek stop blaming everyone from outside and their dog, the IMF, the EU, the Germans, the French, Turkey, history, the new world order and whatnot and start looking inside, will be the moment they have a chance to get out of this.You know, the conspiracy theories get boring. Greece has cheated and told lies to their EU partners since at least the introduction of the Euro. Now the party is over, fess up and pay the bill.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 04:57:41 pm
content: I would ask the clueless to get a clue before speaking please. Thank you.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 05:29:22 pm
content: I really don't see the advantage of the euro. When I was living in Italy they literally bought into it because they were not a stable enough state and so despite being already in debt they paid more money to the eu to get into a new currency that really changed nothing.

author: pirulo123
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 06:00:09 pm
content: Quote from: BoredAtWork on June 29, 2011, 04:52:11 pmCorrection, first and foremost they lied to their people, and second I believe this was orchestrated by powers outside our comprehension.Your not implying the UE didn't knew about it are you ? They knew it all the time !!!, the high spheres of power knew about it all the time!, this is how they take over, they push them to the edge to take advantage in the chaos and despair of the Greek people, it's how this nasty business is done... we've seen it over and over...Somehow I disagree with the idea that the people was living in eden's garden on borrowed money... that's always the excuse !Don't you think someone knew this was going to happen in advance ? let's put the cards on the table, The country is for sale at the best bidder the same people that brought the country to bankruptcy will now make even MORE money buying half the public service sector for a fraction of their real value.They are giving up the family jewels and It's going to take them another 20 years to find out public services should never be run by greedy corporations.The question with these organizations is and has always been, is it moral and ethical to lend out money to corrupt governments ?

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2011, 06:40:07 pm
content: Have a look at this video, for the non-believers. See the 'hoodies' on the same side with the police making their way into the parliament building? This day 5000 people were trapped in the underground to protect themselves from the episodes and the 'police' kept on throwing teargas grenades in the underground. This is not the debt.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-crIjLFN28&feature=player_embedded#at=84

author: pablo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 06:49:01 am
content: Same thing happens here in Mexico where there are bigger problems.You can tell by watching those people, even notice the way the dress . Mostly young men.IMHO the FMI "helps" countries but their interest is way too high so the country ends up with a huge debt.As always people in the power take their big share, and fuck the whole country because they are the ones that have topay.The government betrays the people.

author: pablo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 07:01:48 am
content: Quote from: BoredAtWork on June 29, 2011, 04:52:11 pmIt's amazing how ignorant people can be. Always existed greedy and corrupt people, and always they will exist.It's not about conspiracy theories because it's at sight of everyone.If you can't see beyond your nose that's you problem, but don't blame a country if don't even live in there.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 07:50:50 am
content: Quote from: pablo on July 10, 2011, 07:01:48 amDude, the Greek currently make up a new conspiracy theory every other weeks. One time it is the EU, the French, the Germans, Turkey, global warming (no joke), the IMF and whatnot. It gets more stupid every weak.The thing is, it is only Greek's fault and no one else's. They massively lied an cheated when joining the Euro. And that was their own idea, no one forced them.A first step to fix a problem is to admit that there is a problem. But no, they still sit there and claim they did nothing and it is just a conspiracy theory to bring down the great nation of Greece. Dark forces from the outside at work, and all that. It is everyone's fault but the Greek's. Well, the thing is, no one would even be bothered to plan a conspiracy on the back of a used napkin between two stiff drinks. Because Greece is not worth the effort and not important.And when the EU tries to stitch together some help, the second time in a row, all they get from Greece is bullshit. And I am not just talking about "decorating" the EU flag with a swastika. The bullshit coming out of Greece doesn't make it easier to stitch together some help and explaining to your own people why there is e.g. no taxpayers money to to fix the local health system, but there is suddenly heaps of taxpayers money to bail out a corrupt foreign country that can't even muster the two words "thank you". All the countries have more than their fair share of own domestic problems for which they would love to use the money, instead of pumping money in the Greek fakelaki culture. Knowing fully well that all the money they now pump in will anyhow disappear.So really dude, you have no fucking clue what is currently going on in Europe and why countries in Europe are fucking angry about the corrupt, cheating, lying, greedy, unwilling, thankless Greece.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 09:58:45 am
content: Quote from: A Hellene on April 30, 2011, 02:00:02 pm-George

author: Vertigo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 11:54:43 am
content: wow you guys are assholes.seriously, u should talk to some actual greek people before u judge them.also do your homework.if you believe global warming is anything other then a scam you are simply uninformed.if you think the IMF is there to help people, you are misinformed.and if you think people riot for fun or selfishness, you need to stop smoking crack!Quoteplease remember that even though these are not the same people, one party was ELECTED to REPRESENT the other.obviously this says something about the nature of that group of people.either that or you are accusing the election process of being entirely fraudulent.or to put it another way: the people of mississipi are not racist, just the people they have consistently voted into officeto represent them over the last couple of centuries are....

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 11:58:59 am
content: yes. the liar are those f*cking "highly religious" individual/group stay at "throne" high up there. their religion is "politics" and "lust of power".and @Vertigo, when people mentioned about country's name, its actually/implicitly means the government, not citizen/people. that should be understandable.i know some very good Greek'an, for example... Kiriakos and A Hellene (George)and yes, our election process is fraudulent. or if not, the candidate gave sweet promises to win people's heart.just like one president promised to settle the problem of Palestine and war, what happened today, are they solved?

author: pablo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 12:33:40 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on July 10, 2011, 11:58:59 amWell Mech i agree, but some dickhead is blaming greeks in here. He didn't mention Greek government.If you read the previous posts i bet you will spot him.And this isn't a subjective matter, as Vertigo said:Quote from: Vertigo on July 10, 2011, 11:54:43 am

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 12:46:47 pm
content: Quote from: Vertigo on July 10, 2011, 11:54:43 amI suppose you mean that there is some actual difference between the political parties, besides their names.Let me rephrase: You go to a restaurant, where they tell you that they have two dishes to serve you and they ask you to choose which one you would like to be served. What if neither of those two choices you have been given is what you really want? Will you force yourself to order something you do not really want to eat? Or you will you tell them, "Thank you, some other time perhaps" and go to another restaurant that might have the dish you would like to have? After all, you will pay for it --either you liked it or not...Well, it is the same in politics: You are expected to vote for one of the parties that have beenpre-selectedfor you to choose from. Whichever your choice will be, THEY win; because they give you ONLY the choices that serve their interests. They will never risk letting someone they do not control get elected.Citing myself:Quote from: A Hellene on April 22, 2011, 04:50:44 pmEmphasis in bold is mine.Do you want more proofs that ALL the parties serve the same master (which is anyone BUT the people)? Just tell me please if you can see any difference during their duty in office AND in the aftermath of any of those six(!) prime ministers we had after 1974 (Karamanlis, Papandreou, Mitsotakis, Papandreou, Simitis, Karamanlis Jr., Papandreou Jr.):Chart of the Greek National Debt from 1970 to 2010.Please, note that the period 1998-2004 is not depicted accurately: The debt was NOT reduced. This is the outcome of the "creative accounting" trick our PM Simitis pulled with the help of Goldman Sachs, to make Greece deceptively meet the requirements to join Eurozone. And, ten years later, we are called to redeem thisOdious Debt(please, search the latterterm; it is more that just a smart choice of words: it is an international term).Well it is obvious that ALL of them hadinstructions from above(from those that authorised them to be able to be elected) to skyrocket our national debt. And they managed to do it successfully."You can have any leader you want, as long as he is approved (from us)."That is exactly their game: They will make sure that whoever gets elected will serve their interests instead of the interests of the people.And, please, do not get me started again on theeuphemistical"Democracies"because I have done my homework.Have you?By the way, Vertigo, please excuse my boiling blood; I was not meant to be personal or direct on you. I am just frustrated by the easiness most people will swallow whatever they will be served by the authoritative so-called "news."Does "Divide and Conquer" ring any bells?-George: Please, excuse me for the multiple editing of my messages; I believe that it is obvious that English is not my native language...

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 12:58:37 pm
content: Quote from: BoredAtWork on July 10, 2011, 07:50:50 amWhat a fine example of ignorance and repetition of selected news stories. This is however not entirely your fault. Do bother reading what is being posted here and well beyond this forum with a critical eye, stop being spoon-fed and form a broader understanding of the situation before being so strongly opinionated.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 03:50:20 pm
content: Only an absolute morons could believe anything could come to resolution by throwing rocks and bottles.It's never worked! It never will! And anyone who believes it's a good thing is equally moronic.More to the point what has any of this got to do with EE?

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 04:04:04 pm
content: Alex if you wish to get the attention from the one who called as @BoredAtWork .You should say something with "Red neck style",example : stop speaking from your arse !!Technically there is just one global enemy that called as " Markets and bankers" ,we had to protect our countries and our homes, from them.The enemy is faceless, and this is why it is undetected all those years.All that we have to do is to protect our courtly and the life of the few worthy politicians,so to feel safe, and protect the public interest.What worries me is that currently many countries have in their governments, a majority of sold out politicians.There is only one cure, and this called as participation to your democracy...Loose some personal time, and get active as democratic citizen.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 05:18:28 pm
content: And speaking about conspiracy, in the countess examples that nations worldwide was forced to pay billions,so to buy American made trash by force, is this one too.http://icj.sagepub.com/content/17/3/220.abstractYes I had to pay and contribute, so some foreign arses to remain fat ,even with a pistol in my head.That's how the markets works.If there is a True Man out there, he must come to Greece today, and take back this trash called as High-End system,and give back to us the money.It was payed up front.Some one made angry the half planet, named it as terrorism, made systems against terrorism,took the money , and now blames the moron who had pay for getting them.Greece does not have terrorism, and its not a target of any angry citizen of the middle east.

author: ipman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2011, 06:52:07 pm
content: @everybody: is easy to blame the whole countru in general.My country did not join yet Eurozone, but we are inside EU. That does not mean that we don't have corruption and the government is correct.Every country has it's own problems, every case is particular.

author: pirulo123
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2011, 07:29:12 pm
content: I think this post is still alive

author: XynxNet
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2011, 07:33:31 pm
content: Well, it was a strange coincidence, that for month everybody was talking about a dollar crash and then suddenly greece crashed "and stole the show".What really annoys me is the way this problem is handled. Everybody could read for years in news magazins, that there where financial irregularities in greece and some other southern eu countries, but nothing was done.What makes me really angry is, that countries like mine (germany) pretend to help greece with my money, but the money doesn't get to the people in greece, but goes straight to international banks or corporations and greece just gets more depts. Why doesn't the eu just cut greeces depts?Additionally it would be easy to protect smaller countries against financial speculation, if money wasn't borrowed by individual countries but the eu.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2011, 07:38:08 pm
content: another reply?! well, this is what happened in our country today (few days ago). this is what happened when you want democracy.. police riot! not the people (who want the democracy, freedom and clean election)...

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2011, 09:08:25 pm
content: Quote from: XynxNet on July 11, 2011, 07:33:31 pmNice points well said .But there is issues that called as Games under the table.Greece is one of the best customer of Germany for years, Military weapons - Telecommunications - The largest Airport in Athens !!LIDL - PRACTIKER - Car sales - Power tools - even MILK .Everything available and40% moreexpensive that what it cost in Germany.The rents for buildings and the payment of the workers is also40% lessin Greece than Germany.Lots of German business man in cooperation with the dirty banks system, was enjoining for years profits that was actually came from stealing...They was stealing their Euro-partner .They lead him to great national depth , and now you expect the same hands to undo or rescue their victim ??I will just deny any payment, and I will save my self and the country , that's how we will do it.Today Italy become the new target of the Markets,all the TV press is on fire.Well if the Italians are willing to join us in the fight, I do not have any problem, I love Pizza tooAnd Cappuccino .

author: gregariz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2011, 09:31:23 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 11, 2011, 09:08:25 pmIMO Greek politicians are responsible not Germans, however Greece is essentially insolvent and should declare itself so, dissolve all loans, withdraw from the euro and get its shit together. Its unacceptable IMO that investment banks are essentially being guaranteed their money today by the ECB, whilst greek citizens are being impoverished in order to do it. I wonder when speculation became risk free? Greed is a powerful tool, even if the investment banks lose their greek investments today, they'll be back in the near future, similiar to argentina. Have you seen the returns on Greek Treasuries? 18%? or more. If investments are now guaranteed we all should buy some.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2011, 10:10:07 pm
content: Quote from: gregariz on July 11, 2011, 09:31:23 pmThey are, they got gifts from the Germans, so to not interfere in the robbery, and they deserve one dark fate !!But all the partners and friends eventually they will go to jail together !!Quote from: gregariz on July 11, 2011, 09:31:23 pmDo not buy anything , bonds or what ever, I like to see what happens, if you deny to pay stolen money.And by the way, Greece is not Argentina , we are more crazy than them.

author: marmad
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2011, 02:15:35 am
content: QuoteWell said, George. This is the same story in the USA over and over again.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2011, 12:54:05 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 10, 2011, 04:04:04 pmright, like Goldman Sachs ... unfortunately you will always find some corrupt idiots/politicians trusting such companys/bankers- it is the small dick syndrome, such ppl just can't stop dreaming of trying to get thing/be someone - no matter what costs.For sure nobody forced Greece (or actually greece politicians) to join EURO - there was no need to force such ppl(see above, small dick syndrome), all this has happened before and will happen again.Some day the new world order (which is support btw.) organization will manage to "force" all of us to be part ofone big nation, to have one currency and one big/small (corrupt? no, not anymore - if everybody is cheatting nobodyis a cheatter) government board.And then ? Well maybe area 51 spaceship will be not an secret anymore, or the Asgard will visit us, or maybevery soon (2012) everything will ends up with a mass extinction. Who cares, we have no influence on all ofthese things anyway - not on politics, not on governments, not on Galaxy disaster or dick size.And btw, "How Not to Save a Country?" hmm, so what happens if EU will not spend money for Greece,Italy (next on list), Spain (soon) ... EU will be gone - a big boom (Goldman Sachs will made trilions on $).So what, i will have to pay soon more taxes to "save jobs" in Germany to save ppl in other countries- and if i don't wish that EU will be gone, and i will have to pay more taxes to save jobs inGermany and save others ... right - no win situation.

author: gregariz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2011, 01:31:26 am
content: Quote from: tinhead on July 13, 2011, 12:54:05 am... If you can forget the nasty things he did, when Hitler came to power the Germans were up to their eyeballs in debt without hope of repayment..at least he told the bankers to F*ck off and Die, making the old money worthless and creating new money which he had sole control of, and allowed only by/for use of the German people ie no more private capital. It fixed the problem.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2011, 03:14:42 am
content: Quote from: gregariz on July 13, 2011, 01:31:26 amThat is true!Hitler abolished the central banks and restored Germany to economic prosperity. He clearly hated central banking, which he called The Jewish Lies of Communism and International Finance Capitalism during his whole life.But,wecertainly can't have people look there... So,weteach them at schools his attrocities, avoiding to mention that Father Stalin murdered more than 45 million CITIZENS and Mao murdered another >65 million CITIZENS, provided that Hitler is held responsible for the death of 22 million CITIZENS+SOLDIERS. We also do never look at the attrocities of Eizenhower or Churchill or...Let me put a semicolon at this point.Wealso teach at schools that German economy flourished due to military spendings! Even though it is common sense that every economy invests heavily (>50% of their GDP) in military spendings (which is NOT an investment since it returns NOTHING back) can only sink faster in debt!Oh, and please, I do not want to read any more propaganda onThe Holocaust (tm), since I have personally discussed that matter over and over with two very special people. What makes them special is the fact that they were both prisoners in two different concentration camps in Germany, during WWII: The first one was imprisoned in an English POW camp, just outside Munich, and he was my father. The second one was an acquaintance of my father during those times, who was held in a forced-labour camp, the infamous Dachau, which was nothing more and nothing less than a forced-labour camp; and everything he has told me about that camp is in total agreement with the works of the most famous revisionist historians of the caliber of the Academic Dr. Robert Faurisson. In my opinion, anything else is pseudo-literature, coming from special groups of people with collective interests and a common purpose. Period!As I have written in the link above,"If there has been someonemassively killingJewish people, it was no one else thanotherJewish people: Please watchthis documentary(in Hebrew language with English subtitles) and read the piece of IsraelInsider about theRingworm Children: How the Israeli government (of Ashkenazic descent) irradiated to death 100,000 Israeli kids (of Sephardic descent) during the 50's, using equipment payed by the American taxpayers without the knowledge or consent of the latter ones."After all, Hitler is considered to bethe father of Israel, since he managed to ship almost half a million people in Palestine. He fulfilled the Rothschild financed goal: In 1810, the Rothschilds began to push for a country for the Jewish people, creating a new brand of Judaism calledReform Judaismwhich would establish a new Jewish country --which is now Israel, after theJewish Autonomous Oblastfunded in the late '20s by Stalin (originally named:Joseph Vissarionovich Djugashvilibefore he changed it to Joseph Stalin, where Djugashvili in Georgian means "son of" [-shvili] a Jew; just like Saakashvili means son of Isaac. Not to mentionHaim Mardochai Kissel, a son of a Rabbi also known as Karl Marx, and many many others that obfuscated their original names to hide their identity...). Orthodox Jews believe for 2,500 years that there can be no Jewish kingdom on earth until the coming of the Messiah; of course, they do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, so no Jewish kingdom on earth for them yet...Anyway, only the Rothschilds could do that because to create a worldwide movement costs a lot of money. For example, Theodor Herzl's "The Jewish State" was originally called "Address to the Rothschilds." Not to mention theBalfour Declaration of 1917, from the British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Walter Rothschild that granted him the region of Palestine, which starts like this: "Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet"... They financed Karl Marx and the League of Just Men, too. They financed Judaism, Communism and Nazism.Soviet Union had been in solvency since 1917. Woodrow Wilson initiated then the system of financing the Soviet Union, when Congress voted for a special emergency War Fund of USD 100 mn to prosecute the war against Germany; Wilson sent the 1/10, the 10 mn, to Russia to help the Bolsheviks (that in their vast majority were non-Russian hired guns)! The Banks consider Dictatorship as the best government because everybody is totally controlled. Anyone who would not not pay his taxes to pay off the debt could be even executed, which Stalin did in Russia. David Rockefeller said he was so pro-communist at the '40s becausethe communists collected their dedts at a point of their gun. Averell W(illiam) Harriman (a Bankers' agent) became a world agent for the Bankers. When Stalin had a nervous brake-down in '42 because of Hitler's invasion, Harriman was sent to Moscow as an ambassador to the Soviet Union (1943–46), but actually he was the actual dictator of Russia untill '44 because Stalin was totally immobilized. The whole WWII would have been collapsed if Averell Harriman hadn't been sent there, to run Russia behind the scenes.Reading a mention of the "New World Order" in a previous message above, the Ruling Class is more Gentile than Jewish, but the policies are ultimately cabbalistic (Zionist-Jewish), through the Rothschild family. They don't give a damn about Jews, Christians or Muslims and they will organize a massacre of Jews, Christians or Muslims if it serves their purposes. Most of the pogroms in Europe were organized by Jews as a matter of policy. They do the same thing in every country, Palestine included. Attacks on government buildings (9/11, OKC bombing, Waco, etc.) are threats of terror in order to control people. And they let people blame "The Jews"...Hey, wait! This is an EE board...-George: Additional information and links.

author: pirulo123
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2011, 05:03:33 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 11, 2011, 10:10:07 pmThey will never face real justice, the politicians and economists who robbed my country just like yours are giving speeches in Harvard (btw the same school where they came from)There is no real sense of justice in this context, and there will never be, you can find the reason for that in many history books.Let me tell you what happened here in Argentina during the late 90' and eary 2000.The bankers and every financial institution told us to privatize and sell every asset of the state, railroads, airlines, the water supply, the electricity, the oil industry, the telecommunications, everything.It was all okay for a while, we embraced the free markets, the world loved us and we loved them back, the US even allowed us to enter without a VISA !And while some got really rich the rest of us slowly but steady started to loose our jobs our schools our hospitals and everything else, we where loured into believe that it was okay because public services where for poor and stupid people. If you can afford a decent HMO then who cares where the rest goes... right ?During that time the money from the FMI continued to flow mostly into the private sector and politicians pockets.Don't let anyone fool you that money always falls into the private sector by means of really cheap loans. so bottom line is the money never goes into roads or hospitals, no it's nothing like that, get your facts straight !One day a smart economy ministry said, "we want to refinance this debt because we can't pay it now", but the interest was too high, and the speculation had already begun.The banks just loaded whatever they had in their vaults (literally they loaded trunks full of money) and took of for good.And the next morning money wasn't there anymore!, we started to use pieces of paper with numbers in it and a promise that one day they will turn into real money...Well... but things got better after a while, they thought exactly what your thinking right now, why don't we just print more of these papers?, ain't that a great idea ?Our salary was cut by 50%, our houses value was 50% less, and what happened to our own debt your asking (credit cards, mortgage etc...) it whent 50% up !And a few years down the road china needed more food (soy) we've got some!, well we're doing ok as long as china is ok... so.. viva china !But that's not the end of the story, because we continue to pay our debt even after an international court said it was wrongfully for them to refinance our debt at those interests.You know what happens then ? the fine tunned well respected financial institutions sell all sovereign debt to the mafia or what they call the vulture funds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulture_fund), and the story goes on....I'll die, everyone I know will die and a 1000 years from now some humans will face the same destiny... over and over...From the movie The Hours: Someone has to die in order that the rest of us should value life more.Pardon my cheap and nasty english It's because I mostly use it to say "have you tried rebooting?"Regards.Pirulo.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2011, 11:46:14 pm
content: Pirulo,Though you were writing about Argentina, you are actually describing the current situation in Greece.Since the very early 80's the new wave of our --literally--cabbalistic-indoctrinatedpoliticians of Greece (Papandreou, Mitsotakis, etc.), calledMetapolitefsi, were giving away to the people as favors small fractions of the huge loans they had been taking since then. People (or should I say,peasants) did not complain, since they were finding jobs, especially in the public sector, and they did not have to really work for the salary. But no one can blame them, even the more empty-headed of them, since they could not see that their newly acquired wealth was actually borrowed by the next generations: Their children and their unborn grandchildren... Now, that they begin to realise the situation, they think it is too late, since all our media are pushing for therenegotiationof thisOdious Debtthat our politicians chose to honor when they had the opportunity to fight it. But, fight what? Their own houses? Their sponsors? Or those that let them in power in order to loot this place? It is a fact that NONE of them has ever been punished or even been prosecuted, even though some of them have now become shipowners (literally; it is not overstatement)...Not to mention the worst of them all, theFifth Columnof Greece that was, and still is, theKKE (The Communist Party of Greece), founded in the end of 1918 byAvraam Benaroya(--yes, I know, not a Greek name...) under the initial name of SEKE (Socialist Labour Party of Greece). It is responsible for all the major disasters this country has suffered: From theAsia Minor Catastropheand the WWII retaliation losses (of whole villages and countless civilians) to our Civil War (with more than 600,000 civilian losses, which is as much as we also lost from famine (700,000) due to the British blockade during WWII --If we lost all these people toour friendshow many others did we lose to our enemies? Well thebadGerman invaders were responsible for no more than 23,000 of our losses...). Did I forget to mention KKE's involvement in the Macedonian issue? And it still undermines the modern Greek community by creating diversion and pushing for hostilities. Closing this parenthesis, KKE has been sellingfalse hopesto the unhistorical and unthinking desperate members of the flock, just like the othercabbalistic creationsof (Judeo)Christianity and Communism have always been doing...Of course, NOT ONE member of our parliament voted AGAINST the IMF "help." Not one of them, no matter which party they represented or belonged to. Half of them voted FOR the IMF involvement and the other halfsilently consentedto that by voting PRESENT... What does this mean for all of them? What do their actions reveal about them all?So, this confirms my initial assertion:QuoteThere still is a viable solution to this problem, since it has not yet entered an irreversible phase. I only hope my fellow countrymen to realise what has really happened and what is really going on before it is too late and the worst come; but I am afraid that I am hoping for something impossible because thelifelong indoctrinationof the masses cannot be undone in such a short notice; and we do not have a few generations time in our hands that is needed to undo it...- George

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2011, 12:08:33 am
content: Quote from: A Hellene on July 13, 2011, 11:46:14 pmAt the point where the two major political parties had drive the finance condition of Greece,any one who would say No to IMF at that time , it was like to was sending any retirement gran pap in his grave prematurely.We do have an patriotic political party , and patriotic translates to, that it does not accept to be part of international financial games.And I just hope that with my power and the support of the many, it will lead the country.In September or even sooner, we will have elections in Greece , and one new political map.New political forces , new faces , and lots of hope.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 14, 2011, 12:20:19 am
content: Quote from: A Hellene on July 13, 2011, 11:46:14 pmSorry but that isn't correct. In any democracy the people get the government that they deserve. (I did say the people - not particular individuals)The reason we end up with governments that don't represent our collective interests is that collectively we just cant be assed making as much effort to do something about it as the various lobby groups are.The "poor me all political parties are crap" attitude deserves no sympathy those parties and interest groups hold power because people take a why bother attitude while times are good. The parties are riddled with self interested people because others couldn't be bothered.The little guys can make a difference and can be heard but wont be if people make no more effort than to vote along the lines they always have. At our last election Labor tried to helicopter in a candidate by way of a head office favour to the individual in question. The local party membership of mums and dads and little people stood up and issued an ultimatum. If they didn't get a vote on their candidate they wouldn't lobby or distribute electoral material. The little guys won, no rocks were thrown, no bullets were fired.The problem Greece faces now is that time has run out and restitution will be painful, I don't envy the position the Greek public faces. But any way you look at the collective population is responsible for the actions of their government. That's very painful for many individuals especially those who had recognised the problems years ago, but blaming others never solved much anywhere.Don't like your goverments actions do something constructive about changing it.

author: A Hellene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2011, 12:25:19 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 14, 2011, 12:08:33 amI wish I were as optimistic as you are, my friend, Kiriakos.But, I am afraid that the game is so badly rigged that noofficial solutionsare of the interests of the people and the country. Not anymore...If you were one of the Bankers, what would you do to avoid losing such a huge investment? Because they have been investing in this country since 1981, according to the official statistics. Well, I think that the answer to the previous question would be something in the lines of:"What would we do to avoid losing such an investment? Anything!We DO NOT lose, since the seventeenth century!"I hope I am wrong about that, but I have mostly learned is thatHistory repeats Herself...-George

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2011, 01:14:40 pm
content: The last time that we had to protect the country even with the use of arms was at 1940,we have not forget the art..That's the only way for the bankers to get their profits back, they have to come armed !!No matter what the Greek politicians will sign on paper, no one will take anything at hand,other than the stuff that we dispose in the municipality trash collection boxes.

author: hisense999
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2011, 01:29:48 am
content: So if this is crisis in USA, Greece or other country and if is about money then I suggest only to google about position which take JP Morgans and Goldmans Sachs before this crisis.-----By the way Goldman Sachs invented this toxic papers which maked a crisis in USA.Goldman Sachs invented an IT bubble in USA.JP Morgans invented a way for selling smart papers in my country (some small country in EU) and got from it profit more big than total income of industry there in last 3 years by leaving most of companies with debts.JP Morgans invented a way to help for Greece before crisis come - of course Greece finished with debts and JP Morgans with full pockets of money and slave which will pay more.There was not so long time ago also other crisis with sugar which price incrased over 100% in my country - guess what and google this - JP Morgans first bought 1milion tons of sugar (1000000000 kg).I suggest always keep an eyes open and look around for real problem which is called JP Morgans and Goldman Sachs they are more powerfull than any country and have enought money to buy anyone and do anything.B.R.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2011, 05:20:32 am
content: Today was on the Greek news the American dept of 14 Trillion !!I do not fear anyone and anything.The people will rule this planet, and not few bankers.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2011, 06:49:10 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on July 15, 2011, 05:20:32 amand i read (if i read correctly) they tried to negotiate to increase the ceiling limit! they (the leader i mean) must have a real gut of balls!