$2 for 10 PCB's! - Page 1
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author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 20, 2017, 10:10:08 am
content: https://easyeda.com/order+$7.30 for Airmail but still

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 20, 2017, 11:07:12 am
content: There is something fishy about their price calculator. For some sizes & quantities it quickly jumps to much higher prices.

author: dillon
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2017, 01:37:28 pm
content: For 10cm*10cm, our price is the bottom, but for any others size, EasyEDA PCB order cost all the best.Free for frist order will provide soon.EasyEDA is 6 years oldhttps://easyeda.com/editor#, we provide PCB design tool, PCB order, and components orderhttps://lcsc.com/EasyEDA is acquired by JLC PCB, JLC PCB is the largest PCB prototype enterprise in China .Soon , the supper fast PCBA service will on line soon.Lots of PCB order sites use JLC service to fab PCB, then sell to others.EasyEDA PCB price almost the same of the Chinese site.paypal get 4%, and some others get n%A few years ago,https://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/*easyeda-web-based-eda-official-support-topic*/

author: mdszy
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 22, 2017, 01:43:28 pm
content: Quote from: dillon on June 22, 2017, 01:37:28 pmAre you with EasyEDA...? Not sure what to think given the grammar and spelling of the post.

author: dillon
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2017, 01:52:14 pm
content: Yes, It is excited to see the big BOSS to post this topic and forget to check.

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2017, 03:13:11 pm
content: By default, on the order page, 5 PCBs and 10 PCBs cost the same, is this the same (is price for 5 pcbs = price for 10 pcbs) for all choices (size, material etc)?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2017, 09:35:48 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on June 20, 2017, 11:07:12 amthat happened to every cheap pcb makers online i've entered. each one of them have this sweet spot pcb size and quantity that they promoted at very cheap, usually just a small size for innocent noobs. once you get pass that size, the price will go up like crazy. thats why i stick with homebrew pcb etchant.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 23, 2017, 12:01:54 am
content: The vast majority of PCBs I've made are within the size range that they are ridiculously cheap to have made. I hardly ever etch my own boards at home anymore, only when I need something right away. If it needs to be larger than about 10cmx10cm then it's probably more complex than I want to deal with etching at home. Vias are a pain on double sided boards, and small pitch SMT ICs are pushing the limits of what I can etch at home. I've done some boards with 0.5mm pitch ICs but it's difficult to get a good etch.

author: RedSky
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2017, 03:14:36 am
content: Recently used EasyEDA to have some boards made. 220mm x 120mm, 2 layer, 2oz copper, Qty of 5.Did a good job. Arrived in a reasonable timeframe. The boards weren't ultra complex but look good to me, and more importantly worked fine.The shipping cost was a little high at approx $48 (aud) by DHL, but of course DHL are not cheap.Their online Gerber preview works really well too.If you have some small boards to be made, at this price point, it is an absolute bargain.

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2017, 12:07:12 pm
content: I had a number of design errors on my current version of one of my projects so decided to fix those and submit an order just for fun.I sent my order off 26th June and around 5th July I have the boards back.Look fine, although a bit thicker than I expected... possibly pressed the wrong box on the order form.My only gripe is that some number was added to the silkscreen but that's not a real issue.Recommended.(It was US$11 all in. $2 PCB and $9 being the P&P)... or £8.95 in real money (after Paypal charges etc)

author: lty1993
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 13, 2017, 12:11:31 am
content: Looks like they still charge $2 even you choose to let them panel your PCB.

author: M4trix
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2017, 12:31:54 am
content: @NivagSwerdna,a lot of component designators are missing. Is that your fault or EasyEDA ? Also, is that solder mask covering the pads ?

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2017, 02:39:34 am
content: at 2,5, or 10 dollars the price is irellevent. How easy they are to deal with is key.

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 10:54:35 am
content: Quote from: M4trix on July 13, 2017, 12:31:54 amI only have a few designation showing... that is intentional. All pads are clear of mask. I've since partially assembled it and it works fine, so electrically good too. I'm happy.(It has holes in it too... that's by design as well)

author: gowithyourself
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2017, 07:45:43 pm
content: Cool!JLC is my go to board house when I'm in China. I've made around 10 orders with them from 10 pcs 5x5 cm to 25 pcs 20x30 cm. No problems. The standard price in China for 10 pcs 10x10 cm is 50 RMB. You probably shouldn't expect much in terms of service, it's not that kind of board house. I've tried the Chinese version of LCSC too. Not the most complete selection of course, but cheap on a lot of stuff. Even more so with alternative brands e.g:https://lcsc.com/product-detail/Micro-USB-Connectors_ValuePro_micro-USBFemale_MICRO-USB-5S-B-Type-horns-High-temperature_C10418.htmlhttps://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/amphenol-fci/10118194-0001LF/609-4618-1-ND/2785382

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2017, 07:49:50 pm
content: They can't be making any profit with these prices, i feel there is a storm coming and some fabs won't survive it.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2017, 09:40:19 pm
content: Quote from: gowithyourself on July 24, 2017, 07:45:43 pmYeah the LCSC prices compared to digikey are crazy, and I thought JST was cheap already. They have quite a selection, even some micros and dc/dc, etc. Haven't got my order yet though (international shipping to canada is very slow).

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2017, 08:21:36 pm
content: Quote from: lty1993 on July 13, 2017, 12:11:31 amI placed an order yesterday.4 different designs all well under 100x100mm x10pcs each @5$ per design.BUT i also had a 5th design, a 33x19mm board which i placed first in the cart and i chose to have 10 panels each with 15 little boards, 150 boards total.... there was no price difference or anything, it was only priced at 2$.....They emailed me some hours later to let me know"It seems our website has some wrong. Sorry for this.n fact, each order only includes one chance of $2. $2 is just availble for total 10 panels (10 individual boards) and without any paneled.If 150 individual boards, maybe you have to pay the extra.And we can produce the pcb of 10 individual boards for you.Or you can request us to refund the fee of this pcb, so we will it delete from your order."Now, i emailed them back telling them to open their eyes, my order has 4x10 single board items none of which was priced at 2$ and the one i chose to panel was simply placed first and had i placed it last, it would simply be charged 5$ and one of the other 4 would go 2$ and simply put, the total they would ask me to pay would be exactly the same...... so i asked them if their website is indeed very wrong and they should show any charges in the paneling option....I am stuck now since i also ordered half the parts needed for the pcbs from them (lcsc.com) and i have a short window to take action if i need to cancel parts ordered all the way around the globe from over a dozen different sources to achieve the lowest possible cost.....the designs i am trying to build can be seen herehttps://easyeda.com/catech75

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2017, 08:51:44 pm
content: Quote from: soubitos on November 08, 2017, 08:21:36 pmThats nice, didn't know they had a way to share designs like this.

author: Fire Doger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2017, 08:54:06 pm
content: Yeap their site is broken, I had managed to get 2$ for 4 layer board (which is obviously wrong) and was thinking if they gonna accept it or not, guess notWe are from the same country so numbers are the same:#1 manufacturer: PCB 2$ shipping 15$ (china post cause you know, greece...)#2 manufacturer: PCB 5$ shipping 12$ (china post too...)They are hiding production cost in shipping to see2$and go buy from them but at the end you pay the same more or less...You can't buy 4 designs from them because its gonna be 8$ production cost and its not normal to charge you 50$ for shipping, that's why they don't allow more than one 2$ offer in a single order. To be able to get the money from shipping costs.For 10 pieces you will pay ~15$ (It was ~16 for 100x100 idk if size matters in their calculator, bored to generate gerbers...) so at the end you can place 5 orders. 2$ is just a trick, its more like 10pcbs 16$ (For not a courier shipping always...)You can also get your gerbers and check other manufacturers, I know that PCBWay has combined shipping for orders to reduce overall shipping cost but I haven't try it and idk how much discount you get, you can ask them I guess.

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2017, 09:13:27 pm
content: It is obvious they hide some of their cost into shipping, but the fact i could order most of the parts needed from them in the same order was also a selling point.... in most cases they did have very good prices and with free shipping in parts when you also place a pcb order too....The 2$ "trick" you mention though is valid only for the first pcb in one order, all subsequent pcbs in the same order begin from 5$ anyway and shipping costs raise by weight too.... so in the end, they cannot be "loosing" anything, of course they would like it better if i placed 5 separate orders, which perhaps i should, order one pcb with its parts, test them then order another, now i am stuck with the remaining parts orders either half processed, pending shipment etc or i am already waiting for them.... and although we are not talking really serious ammounts of money (you can see what parts we are talking about) I would hate to find myself sitting on a pile of smd parts and spending more on pcbs and getting out of my target price with my final products which are already marginal....Anyway.. i hope to resolve this tomorrow.

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2017, 09:17:57 pm
content: Quote from: Fire Doger on November 08, 2017, 08:54:06 pmwhen i change the form to 4 layers, before anything else at all, the cost goes up to $32.84 ex.shipping.. I dont think their site is broken i just think they are trying to make something more on top of what i paid them.... but its stupid... they tell me 1 design per order gets the 2$ discount (otherwise would be 5$) and it has to be 10 single boards... nice..... my order is exactly that and if i cancel and place it again, they will have to find something else to tell me before i go from "ok, they are not paying attention" to "they are trying to rip me off

author: xani
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2017, 09:58:16 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on June 22, 2017, 09:35:48 pmThat's a lot of tinfoil hattery in that guess....They just have a optimized process for certain popular types and sizes. Panellizing and handling a bunch of small boards is just easier.Like if their design will cause them to have empty space becasue they can't fit anything else it is loss for them.Or rather itcouldfit if it was smartly placed, but they can't account for it in calculator (as the panel is not yet "planned") so you get the price for "worst case" scenario

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2017, 10:15:44 am
content: The (totally disappointing) answer i got from easyeda is the following"Hi, it's a bug of our website. Really sorry for that.In fact, $2 order has two rules. One is board of under 10x10cm and another is less than 10 individual boards?10 single boards ?without any paneled just like figure 1.And we can produce the pcb of 10 individual boards for you.Or you can request us to refund the fee of this pcb, so we will it delete from your order.Of course , you can choose to pay the extra of $15.The link is : xxxxPls you check and confirm.Thanks for your understanding.At the same time, i didn t use their 4$ coupon ordering half the parts for these boards and with their deal, no item in my order gets their 2$ special..... Had i not already started the ordering process for housings and other parts etc and had i not paid banking fees etc which i will loose, i was considering to order elsewhere... perhaps i will as i really dont like being treated like that.... what I would do to a paying customer would be to apologise, correct my own mistake and offer them a discount to proceed with their order even at my own cost so i have a happy customer who will return and will probably forward others my way... and i am sure, this is not a mistake or bug on their site, its simply a way to get the job and screw the customer....

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2017, 11:49:14 am
content: I got a final response from easyeda"Sorry again for the problem.We can produce it for your first order in spite of the financial loss.For our future long time cooperation, please forgive our problem.Thanks for your understanding.Best regards"Thins resolves this favourably and correctly as i see it.This also means they are not trying to rip you off and they do offer good customer care, even for a first time 100$ worth of a job incl. parts.I want to be really fair with them so expect me to post once i receive my order hopefully, a glitch is a glitch and a good company is a good company

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2017, 03:19:52 pm
content: I received my easyeda boards and parts order today.As promised, i am posting with my impression about them.Well.. first things first.... My order was worth 42$ (boards and shipping) plus 62$ in parts.I chose delivery via "registered airmail" as DHL shipment would cost me at least 80euro in customs clearance fee alone not to mention vat etc. Registered Airmail should pass through customs easy and perhaps even tax free.Easyeda chosen to ship my order via EMS and i had to pay 45.72 euro taxes and customs clearance fee.....That hurt a lot and took away they happy feeling of receiving my order as fast as possible....Not easyeda fault though, instead they did the best they could for me as a customer and i really appreciate it.As for the "product"... i got some pics earlier....

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2017, 03:53:25 pm
content: This is my joule thief night light pcbhttps://easyeda.com/catech75/Joule_Thief_Night_Light-9c17b8b99313471983f1b573b0e996d5This was the culprit which caused delay and controversy between me and easyeda in the first place....They asked 15$ extra for this one, it was originally charged as 2$ (10pcs 3x5 v-cut panels 10cmx10cm).Breaks up easily, easier on the vertical direction for some reason, [perhaps board structure, i wouldnt be able to tell)Overall very pleased.. i already soldered one by hand and works as expected.. I dont have the photoresistors and some other parts needed in hand though and it needs lot of work to become the end product i plan this to be but the board is hand soldered easily and works exactly as expected!

author: MarkW
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 07, 2017, 07:49:23 pm
content: Just a heads-up: I ordered here yesterday, and noticed that all shipping cost are currently waived ... DHL express shipping for free.From my invoice:Sub-Total: $11Express: $0Total: $11This was for 10 pcs of 100x100 boards and a SMD stencil.Mark

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2017, 07:58:01 pm
content: Quote from: MarkW on December 07, 2017, 07:49:23 pmdont see that mate

author: MarkW
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 07, 2017, 08:33:46 pm
content: Strange, same configuration? PCBs and stencil?Otherwise I guess I maybe was somehow very lucky (was the first order I placed there)?EDIT: you are right, I see normal shipping prices again. Hope my order isn't canceled then ...

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2017, 08:37:59 pm
content: Quote from: MarkW on December 07, 2017, 08:33:46 pmcan you post a link from the page you are ordering from?

author: MarkW
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 07, 2017, 08:43:02 pm
content: You are right, I see normal shipping prices again. Hope my order isn't canceled then ...Attached is my order from yesterday (personal data removed). I somehow must have done something 'interesting'.Sorry guys ... false alarm, now let's see what happens to my order.

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2017, 08:54:13 pm
content: I like the Joule Thief PCB, will there be an enclosure?

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2017, 11:43:43 pm
content: Quote from: kalel on December 07, 2017, 08:54:13 pmI am sending you a private message about this, dont want to derail the thread...As for the 2$ for 10PCBs, in my case, including shipping its around 10$... BUT..... if you also order parts from them, you get very good prices and free shipping in the parts if they are combined with a pcb.... which means you get speedy delivery instead of months even of waiting for orders from Ali or BG etc... overall, i am happy with the boards quality and overall service... I assembled several already from what parts i had available and had no problems.I still ponder what we old farts could have done growing up with electronics if we had such services available back in the old days... LOL

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2017, 08:13:52 pm
content: Quote from: MarkW on December 07, 2017, 09:49:23 PM

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2017, 11:34:12 pm
content: ok, here is the deal....There are TWO "companies" offering 10 pcbs (up to 10x10) for 2$One is easyeda and the other jlcpcb, they are the same thing but different in several ways....It is jlcpcb who is offering a discount on shipping for your FIRST order with them (up to 25$).You can still combine your order for pcbs with parts from LCSC for free shipping on the parts. Order the pcbs first then, when you checkout for the parts, your pcb order No appears and you can select it to combine with the parts order.I placed two orders with them today, two because i need to keep the packages small to possibly avoid customs issues.Yes, i am happy with them. But i will try to order one of the pcbs from ALLPCB to compare them on the same board

author: xzswq21
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2017, 01:42:15 pm
content: HelloI want to order a 4_layers PCB, I have some 50 Ohm LVDS and single ended traces on my board.I found pcbway.com and jlcpcb.combut when I asked them about the materials (Prepreg and core) they didn'y answer me accurately!if I had a dielectric coefficient I could calculate the impedance by Polar instrument.I know there are many good manufacturers in the world, but I'm a student and can't afford to pay huge money.Do you have any idea?

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2017, 01:28:39 pm
content: sorry can't help... got no experience with such pcb's

author: poorchava
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2018, 11:35:07 pm
content: I found out that the best way to obtain data necessary for impedance calculations is to ask about the brand and type of laminate they use as standard. In almost every manufacturer sticks to one raw material vendor because they then get the whole technology, process parameters and such. After getting the brand and type of laminate, just check in the datasheet.From experience: as long as you're not into super high frequencies and just use FR4, you'll be perfectly fine assuming Er of about 4,4...4,6. Many manufacturers in EU use Isola DE104 as their standard material. The spacing between layers is generally more important for impedance than the Er. IIRC standard stackup for a 1.6mm board will be something like 0.25mm-1mm-0.25mm or 0.4-0.8-0.4.For single ended traces take a look at Coplanar Waveguide technique rather than Microstrip - it is more forgiving for large signal-GND distanes.

author: justanothercanuck
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2018, 09:18:38 am
content: Hmm... $47.50 for five 13x8.5cm four layer boards... I might have to give this a go after Chinese New Year.

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 01:27:21 am
content: The easyEDA website is seriously screwed up right now.When I went to place an order for a 260mm x 260mm panelised board, the price came out at $595 million.I have sent them an email to get this fixed, however as I can't wait I have placed my next order with PCBway.

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 01:29:36 am
content: They are replacing pcb ordering from easyeda to jlcpcb..If you try the same gerbers at jlcpcb.com you should get normal quotes...If not, then indeed something is wrong altogether

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 02:14:40 am
content: So, are you saying that jlcpcb is closing down the ability for us to order circuit boards on EasyEDA's website?

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 02:17:38 am
content: jlcpcb=easyeda=lcsc until now easyeda besides eda software offered pcb manufacturing ... they are replacing the easyeda pcb with jlcpcb ... separating functions within their company... i think they announced that with a new version of easyeda you will be able to order but from jlcpcb this time not easyeda... easyeda will only docus on their software

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 02:24:53 am
content: Quote from: soubitos on February 27, 2018, 02:17:38 amOK, thanks for this.Yes, I have logged into my account using jlcpcb.com with the same login credentials as I use with EasyEDA. Our company name comes up, but our contact details & previous ordering history are missing.I notice that they list their family sites as:EasyEDA.comLCSC.com

author: llkiwi2006
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 02:46:07 am
content: Quote from: DerekG on February 27, 2018, 01:27:21 amYour setting is actually ordering a huge panel of 260 x 260 of 80mm x 80mm boards. I suppose they have a (polynomial? exponential?) formula for large boards, and they forget to set a cap on the maximum board size.

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 03:42:22 am
content: Quote from: llkiwi2006 on February 27, 2018, 02:46:07 amWhen you click on the blue "For Example" link at the end of the panelisation line, a picture comes up showing you a panel of 2 circuit boards with an X dimension & a Y dimension (including edge strips). This signifies to me to put in the X dimension of the required panel including edge strips & the Y dimension including edge strips.Very poorly implemented.

author: soubitos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 03:55:46 am
content: In the panel boxes you put how many single boards will fit in each side of the panel, not the total length of the panel itself....

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:19:04 am
content: Quote from: soubitos on February 27, 2018, 03:55:46 amYes, but that is not what their diagram conveys when you click on the explanation.They should just say what they mean:ieHow many circuits in the X direction:How many circuits in the Y direction:Top & Bottom Edge Rail Width:Left & Right Hand Side Edge Rail Width:

author: metrologist
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:23:39 am
content: Is the price still close to that? Would it be worth it to layout a number of smd breakout boards, including a few extra pads for passives around the chip that you can bodge in, and then dremel the small boards out?

author: DerekG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:24:02 am
content: I have received a reply back from EasyEDA suggesting I try a different browser.My response was:"Hi,The problem with your website is being discussed on this public forum:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/$2-for-10-pcb's!/msg1437707/#msg1437707And this is how you should change your website to make it very clear what you are after:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/$2-for-10-pcb's!/msg1437835/#msg1437835Best regards,"

author: ArdWar
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:28:07 am
content: Should be fairly obvious that the number "2" and "3" are referring to the number of rows and column, not the length. Even more if we read the input field as 2*80mm by 3*80mm for example. But yeah, it could be explained more clearly.

author: llkiwi2006
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:51:42 am
content: Quote from: DerekG on February 27, 2018, 04:24:02 amStandard tech support responseIn my experience jlcpcb's support people don't seem to be very fluent in English, so they might not understand what you are suggesting

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 04:27:40 pm
content: Quote from: llkiwi2006 on February 27, 2018, 04:51:42 amDid he delete his cookies and clear his cache?Did he turn it off and back on again?