EEPROM Programmers? - Page 1
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author: krivx
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2012, 10:10:41 am
content: I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a decent & cheap programmer? In the past I've soldered flying leads and used an MCU dev board to read and program devices but this is awkward, especially when "unusual" programming voltages are required. There seems to be a huge variety in price and features in commercial solutions, I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for or what is reliable. I would like to do DIP, TSOP and PLCC packages, and having clips to allow in-circuit operation would be preferable. Totally fine with getting something used or from eBay. So, any favorites I should look out for?

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2012, 01:58:45 pm
content: Sounds a bit like you want a cheap programmer that can program anything. When you see a programmer on ebay that can program 20,000, 30,000. etc devices, there is a massive number of devices that they cannot program.What you may easily find is there is no problem getting a programmer that can program common 5 to 10 year old processors, but most probably cannot program this year's newest releases.Usually the hardware tools from a particular microprocessor company can program even the most recent releases, so that is probably a better tactic rather then buying a programmer that you hope will be able to program a device that you may choose to use in the future.It is dangerous buying old programmers, unless you find it is still regularly updated by the manufacturer. If the last software release for a programmer is 1999, then you cannot program anything newer then 1999.Richard.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2012, 03:30:07 pm
content: try to find a used xeltec, hilo or dataman programmer.these typically still have software support.BK precision has a really good one, but it's 400$ ..stay away from the chinese stuff. they are typically limited to serial proms and a few cpu's. I don;t know what you intend to do , but if you repair boards and equioment (like test equipment) you often need to be able to deal with older parts... these tend not to be supported in the wing-pang-pong programmers. especially if you have device that need multiple voltages.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2012, 04:47:04 pm
content: Quote from: krivx on April 30, 2012, 10:10:41 amI have this one:http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOP853-USB-universal-programmer-EPROM-MCU-GAL-PIC-/330467368504It can't program PIC processors though. You'll need the more expensive version. For in circuit programming I often use a DIP socket with wires that go to some kind of connector.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2012, 04:59:21 pm
content: you also need to take that '40000' devices with a coarse block of salt... they simply list 27c64 from 50 manufacturers . and so on...

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2012, 06:18:06 pm
content: BP microsystems make nice programmers but the prices will require a bank loan. You know your in trouble when the company offers financing. Even a base unit is several thousand dollars. I do have access to one (I'm retired now) but even adapter heads can be hundreds.As for Chinese I like Wellon, the software was made in Canada a couple years ago but I can't say for sure about now. 200 bucks will get you a pretty nice programmer. Fairly comprehensive device list and I updated the software for my 3 year old unit a couple months ago. It's critical that the unit is around for a while to make sure you get proper support. Typically from Wellon the lower cost units chip list is upgraded every 6 months. I have no complaints. The new software I have is Windows 7 and seems to work fine. Most of the Wellons can also test basic logic IC's and simple rams. They also sell a wide range of adapters. The IC checker routine is user definable and I have used it to test simple logic only circuit boards.As for in circuit programming. You can damage your programmer if it was not designed for it. My feeling is that you are better off with a few cheapo in circuit programmers (like the pickit). The added benefit is that you will have the latest chips supported instead of having to wait 6 months to a year (never for unsupported programmers).Universal programmers are often used in repair shops and certainly, they are very useful there. As for design work I would say buy the manufacturers programmer and change your design to match. That will save you money and be the quickest. For myself I have a Wellon 490 and some 60 buck dedicated programmers (including the pickit). Bang for the buck I think that is were it's at....mike

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2012, 06:58:07 pm
content: The Galep programmers from Conitec are also very good. I bought one 15 years ago and its still supported. A new one costs around € 500. Because I rarely need a programmer these days I couldn't justify spending that amount of money. All the microcontrollers I use can be programmed through the serial port so I have no need for any programming hardware.

author: cliffyk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2012, 02:00:52 am
content: Older post I know, however I have anEasyPro-90Band have been very pleased with it. One of the best features is that when programming older devices, those that require voltages in excess of what can reasonably be expected from the 5V USB supply and DC-to-DC converters, it has a 20V 500mA "wall-wart" to make sure the juice is there...

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2012, 08:01:49 pm
content: Quote from: odinoz on May 18, 2012, 05:53:03 pmCongratulations for finding an Atmel PIC. You must be the only one in the world having one.

author: metalphreak
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2012, 08:22:43 pm
content: He actually specified an Amtel PIC. It's like a weird hybrid between an AMD and Intel processor, and a MicroChip productAlso, if anyone needs socks, I bought some fromwww.metalphreaksockemporium.comand they are really good.ProTip: don't sign up with the same username on the forums that you proudly display on your half-finished template webstore.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2012, 10:54:49 pm
content: my my. that page looks like it was translated by ducks ... i mean my keyboard artistry is bad but that page contains so many errors...i wonder what 'gallon' devices are ..

author: odinorevenge
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 07:48:34 am
content: AHAh you are really fun..I meant that i use that programmer with Amtel PIC and the "Programmer" work perfectly with Amtel PIC..do you make comical as job?Quote from: BoredAtWork on May 18, 2012, 08:01:49 pm

author: odinorevenge
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 07:57:52 am
content: yes right i copy that nickname, im odinoz in this forum as ODINOZ design site.what mean? if the website was mine i never need to buy from myself.!i will go to register my nickname as trademark.wow strange.. some other guy have the same nickname of minehttps://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=odinoz&oq=odinoz&aq=f&aqi=g-K2g-sK2&aql=&gs_l=hp.3..0i30l2j0i10i30l2.686.1378.0.1494.6.6.0.0.0.0.164.715.0j6.6.0...0.0.-hmjzPai8wU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=19377ef07b159c0c&biw=1680&bih=932look in google.. pls.but if i am the owner of that websitewww.easypcb.iti dont need to place a post here.see yaQuote from: metalphreak on May 18, 2012, 08:22:43 pm

author: odinorevenge
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 08:08:48 am
content: i dont know if translate by ducks, i read that website as italian language.but dont worry man. maybe you are a english teacher..but that web site is native italian language... not english..im italian too and i am from Palermo sicily, and here we talk italian.if you dont like that english, dont worry, learn italian language and lets read.or go to hell.Quote from: free_electron on May 18, 2012, 10:54:49 pm

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 09:33:36 am
content: Quote from: odinoz on May 19, 2012, 07:48:34 amSo you insist you have an Atmel PIC and even a programmer to program the mystical Atmel PIC? Did you know that I drive a Porsche Chevy?And you know, people don't really like to do business with people like you, who show they have no clue, spam, and tell potential customersQuote from: odinoz on May 19, 2012, 08:08:48 amand call them a NaziQuoteWe see not only your English teacher wasn't very good, your history teacher also failed, seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Steelandhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact.The only thing you got right isQuote from: odinoz on May 19, 2012, 07:57:52 amYes, you don't. And you might want to consider not doing it in the future. Because your behavior doesn't help your business. It think we all understand that one shouldn't buy from Odinoz, viahttp://www.easypcb.itor otherwise, unless one speaks Italian or likes to be abused.

author: odinorevenge
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 01:23:14 pm
content: yes... i sponsored italian business ... for you this is a problem?i have buyed from them SDS7102, and pic programmer.. i went only share the link like "nctnico" and "cliffyk"(on the post before mine).. on this thread.1. my english, yes, i had not good english teacher, maybe because i haven't study english, but spanish.2. where are you from "BoredAtWork"? i dont see your flag..about history i hate all nazi, and i hate too all people that not have respect about the other people, and if my country has done something wrong, i wasn't born i never approved!!!!!3. if my post was for you a spam.. just write it on the reply.. i have said sorry, and delete link, but you little friend are only a stupid guy, that believe to know every answer and to know everything, but this tell me all about you.. maybe you dont have a good job, and good social life, but im sure that you dont respect the people and im sorry for this. you are a little man, so i can tell you only one thing,you have to grow4. about easypcb, im not owner so for me you can tell to all the world to not buy from there.. for me its ok... i dont care about this.i have wrote in many forum in my life, and sometime i said some wrong word, and when some one told me about my error i ever said sorry. but the people that i ever meet on the forum was ever friendly, respect and if english forum understanding about bad english.I will continue to read this forum.. because the people like you are one on milions, and i dont think that all people that are in this forum want see this posts.so fly down, be understanding with other people, and have respect.And sorry at all forum for spamming this thread, with link, and bad word, and bad english.thanksQuote from: BoredAtWork on May 19, 2012, 09:33:36 am

author: T4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 01:30:23 pm
content: Most importantly, who's this "Amtel" company, what is this mythical PIC chip? A 200MHz 300MIPS RISC chip ?

author: odinorevenge
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 01:55:49 pm
content: Yes sorry.. i told about Atmel AVR 8 + EasyPro-90BSorry i have wrote wrong the name..Quote from: Dave.S on May 19, 2012, 01:30:23 pm

author: metalphreak
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 02:34:19 pm
content: Your first post is "hey I bought this item from this store."You just happen to also be from the same country and have the same username as the store's designer (and the owner of both easypcb.it and gatewaynet.it are the same).The webstore itself is incomplete with no contact details.Surely Mr. Francavilla, you can forgive us for being a little bit suspicious...I have no issue with your english. For many it is not their first language and that's understandable. Lying to people to solicit sales for your business (or scam) is not acceptable, and your response to being caught out is just as poor.Also, I did look at google for "odinoz" - everything is related to gatewaynet.it, ClanRoot, and one singular person's name. A rather unique nickname on the internet I'd say.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 03:36:00 pm
content: well I'm fluent in Italian and that username does not resound of anything Italian to me to be honest and sounds highly specific.of course I may be wrong I've not looked into everything on this thread. If odinoz it's trying to sell staff I suggest he just posts in the for sale forum. We don't mind people selling stuff around here but being upfront means you'll be trusted more.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 04:10:48 pm
content: Quote from: odinoz on May 19, 2012, 08:08:48 amcan you point me the way ? you are welcome to come along...I happen to work with a lot of italian people and their english is waaaay better.Now, on a serious note. It may be that you read that in italian , but , if you are trying to sell a product : run a spell checker over that page. there are a lot of errors in that page. To the point that it is unreadable . it may well have been translated from chinese.EasyPro 90B has the advantageonof its high integration and low power consumption.in the number of programmersEasyPro and has the widest supportinof the PC BIOS chips. EasyPro 90B integrates the USB interface, a powerful and high-speed CPUpowerful and high-speed, the power supply.programmable divider etc.. frequency, modular driver of the pin of the characteristics of EasyPRO90B to provide the possibility of prograThe modular pin driver of the EasyPro90B provide programmable frequencys and voltage levels.EasyPro 90B has the advantageonof its high integration and low power consumption in the number of programmers EasyPro and has the widest support in the PC BIOS. EasyPro 90B integrates the USB interface, a CPU powerful and high-speed, the power supply and programmable divider etc.. frequency, modular driver of the pin of the characteristics of EasyPRO90B to provide the possibility of programming excellent reliability at high speed and high and high expansion flexibility. It is a universal programmer of pocket for its small sizeHigh PerformanceThe unique featuresof EasyPRO80B savesyou time, frustration and money.Portability: The EasyPRO80B is extremely portable, you can packthemit up and take it with you anytime you want.The only transformer high power 1.5 "x5" x8 ", 2", measures EasyPRO80B in a folder or tool box easily. The programmer and transformer measure 1.5 "x5" x8 ", 2" and weigh less than 2 pounds.The programmer, USB cable, transformer, together weighing in at less than two pounds!Flexible and reliable contribution to the latest devices and packages:The EasyPRO80B supports over 5000 devicesfromlikecoveringEPROM, EEPROM, Serial PROMENADEand FLASH, MPU / MCU,gallonGal,etc..and more.Most types of programmable devices in DIP package. Devices in,of SDIP, of sweetener,ofSSOP,ofTSOP, PLCC,of??QFP, or BGA can be programmedon a base of defect DIP40 or with a ADAPTER / CONVERTER suitableusing an appropriate DIP adapter .Advanced hardware featuresFilling off CI:Supportsthe great mass of thethe majority of universal devices on the market.High reliability:Status of hardware self test control system at any timeHas a built in selftest and shows the status of the hardware.Software designed with you in mind - get to work immediatelyThe graphical interfaceiseasy to use. Theprogramming software eliminates your learning curve.-Youdiddo not need the manual!Ariendly operation interface combines many powerful functions for easy use.The Project Managerretains the option:allows you to save the options in a Project. This minimizes the whole process of device selection, loading the file,thesetting device configuration, option, etc..operating at a single point.Automated touch: The EasyPRO80B offers"automated system has a touch."single-click operation. This makes it possible to combine the blank control, erase, program and verification steps; or any combination thereof; into a single button push.of these functions with the ease of just pushing the button.Device Control:Experience seconds automatically identify when a real cultured type of error is selected.( i have no clue wtf this is ... cultured errors ? I think it means this : )Device Control : The EasypPro 90B can identify unknown device in seconds. It will also detect a wrong device selection and prevent damage to the device by giving you an error report.TheCRC verification:The ArchivesThe CRC checkandcan detect large fileoffsetdifferences automatically.Generatorserial number generator: The serial number can be automatically generated and programmed into the device at specified by the user.positions of data or code in anyway customer specified.Updatesof steps: EasyPRO80B providessupportuniversal programming and is highly flexibledevicefor today's memory,themicrocontrollersand logic devices from allthemain manufacturers. We release new device support software from our Web site weekly.MultiprogrammingpowerfulcapabilityTheBy attaching more than oneprogrammersEasyPRO80B to the same PC (through USB port) you can program more than one device at a time without a decrease in programming speed.. is made of a system of multiprogramming with such powerful sliver of support as EasyPRO80B can and without the apparent decrease in the programming speed. It is important to know,There is a concurrent multiprogramming - each programmer works independently and each programmer can programadifferent chip if necessary.Ideal fortheengineering as well as the production environmentThecontrollerprogrammer is developed to meet the demands of development labs and field engineersfor a specialized memory programmer.GeneralityGeneral info:Power:Throughthean external power supplyAC input voltage: 220V 50HzDC Output Voltage: 20V 500mADimensions: 120mm × 82mm × 27 mm (L × W × H)Mass: 0.18kgHardwareDiagnostic systems: RAM, ROM, CPU, pin drivers, power supply, communications, cable, synchronizationoccursand calibration.PC SystemRequirements: Microsoft Windows 98 or abovePIN DriverPIN:Quantity: 40 pinspopularVCC range: 1.8 ~ 10VICC range: 0 ~ 800mA continuously programmableVPP Range: 2.8 ~ 18VClocks: continuously variable 4M ~ 48MProtection: overcurrent shutdown, power failure shutdownIndependence: thedrivers of thepin drivers andthewaveform generators are completely independentand concurrentSoftwareProgramming algorithmsProcedure: Use theproceduresalgorithms approvedby thesupplierFile Type: It can handlethe file into machine code / of the pair, unfortunately, Intel Hex,TechtronicsTektronix, Signetics, Motorola S Format or any ascii or binary file., ASCII, MS-DOS fn. COM & EXE, DRAFT etc..Supporteddevices:theinclusionIncluding, but not limited to, low voltage, PROM, EPROM, EEPROM, FLASH EEPROM, microcontrollers., gallon.(wtf is a gallon ?) . The programmer can test SRAM andtest deviceTTL / CMOS devices.There you go. Now go update that website.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 05:15:24 pm
content: My guess is that gallon is supposed to refer to GAL programmable logic devices.

author: odinorevenge
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 05:38:42 pm
content: hey dearfree_electronpls write a email to website administrator info@gatewaynet.it or contact directly mr Vincenzo Francavilla from GatewaynetHim is from Bergamo, italy, want his skype contact? i will ask for you.No problem..Him told me to look this forum about review and some tutorial.want you my address? or my home phone? and come in Sicily for a holiday? i will show you Sicilian people how works.you have understand that i dont know english, for many thing i usehttp://translate.google.it/?hl=&ie=UTF-8&text=&sl=en&tl=it#so try to translate this from italian to english:me scassasti a sta funciazza i minghia caine ri masciello si u capisti, sa'chiappu u ferru ti infilu sutta na culata ri cimiento!!!have fun

author: odinorevenge
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 05:57:10 pm
content: ahaha look odinoz nick name is very fully operating on the web maybe its better come back to mine odinorevengehttp://feedback.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=odinoz&ftab=AllFeedback&seeallfeedback=Vedi%20tutti%20i%20feedback&myworld=true

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 05:58:38 pm
content: Quote from: odinorevenge on May 19, 2012, 05:38:42 pmby the looks of it Italian is not his first language either!

author: odinorevenge
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 06:10:05 pm
content: Ottimo Simon.. hai capito subito che non era italiano complimenti!.. infatti è siciliano, la mia lingua madre.. non posso tradurti cosa significa.Non capisco come mai si sono accananiti cosi con me. volevo solo condividere la mia esperienza rispondendo ad un post. e sono dispiaciuto se con il link da me postato causerò problemi al titolare della easypcb.purtroppo la gente non risponde mai cortesemente, sembra che cercano sempre di trovare il cavillo per aprire una discussione per litigare.cmq grazie a tutti. continuero a frequentare i forum italiani visto che a quanto vedo qui non siamo molto accettati noi italiani.distinti saluti.Ok SImon now you can read this.

author: metalphreak
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 06:13:29 pm
content: http://beta.xfire.com/users/odinoz79/screenshots/8545393Note odinorevenge in the screenshot.http://beta.xfire.com/profile/odinoz79Username: OdinozName: enzo <--- VincenzoFrancavillaAge: 32Location: ItalyGaming Style:Last Online: Over a year agoAnd you continue to deny it is not your website? Please... now you're just insulting our intelligence.This has nothing to do with you being Italian or speaking English. You wrote a lie simply to try to advertise your store. That's the issue. As Simon said, there's a place to put things for sale. Why all the deception?"Hey I sell this programmer in my store and it's quite good. Here's my experience with it:" - Honest and perfectly acceptable.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 06:17:45 pm
content: Quote from: odinorevenge on May 19, 2012, 06:10:05 pmYes I guessed that that was probably a dialect, and I also guessed it might be very rude. If you want to contact me in Italian feel free to send me a PM. some people do jump at each other's throats. But then people don't like being misled. I can't make much of a judgement on this thread as I guess things have been edited left right and centre.if you want to sell anything just be open about it nobody minds. The best thing is that this thread is left alone now or you can all just go on arguing yourselfs to death.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 06:19:03 pm
content: Simon, i think rather to attend to garlic exhalation instead, or at least provide a translation so we can all have a laugh. i would ask Rosetta upstairs, but it is very likely that she, or Luciano, will slap me one across the chops.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 06:29:24 pm
content: Great Simon .. You knew immediately that was not Italian compliments!.. it is Sicilian, my mother tongue .. I can not translate what it means.I do not understand why They are so annoyed with me. I just wanted to share my experience responding to a post. and I am sorry if Posting the link caused problems to the Owner of easypcb.unfortunately people never responds politely, it seems that they always try to find a loophole to open a discussion to argue.Anyway thanks to all. I will continue to attend the Italian forum as to what I see here we're not really allowed us Italians.the above was mostly translated by Google I could be asked to do it myself. Although surprisingly I had to make many corrections, I am not impressed with Google translate.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 06:49:38 pm
content: QuoteBecause you lie. And you talked shit (Atmel PIC). And then you started to insult people.QuoteWell, the thing with your kind of people, i.e. liars, is they don't do what they say. So I guess we will see you again under your current or another nickname.QuoteYou continue to insult us by implying racism. Really, when you pulled the "anti Semite" insult out of your ass you lost even the last bit of whatever credibility you might have had left.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 06:54:40 pm
content: there are people from all nations on this forum and although language sometimes caused some confusion and irritation it is usually not a problem. But then some remarks are pretty inflammatory, although what one might say in one's own country might be deemed more offensive in another.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 08:50:46 pm
content: i know minghia means 'balls' (male private parts : ) )Look it's simple " i go through all the trouble to correct that 'duck english' to something that is readable and correct.. and i get throw insults at my head ... tsss. ungrateful people...

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 09:05:59 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on May 19, 2012, 08:50:46 pmnot necessarily although being dialect it could mean anything for all I know. In Italy there is a different dialect every 10 miles. And to be honest we do not expect to deal with any other mainstream language apart from English on here never mind the dialects.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 09:16:50 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on May 19, 2012, 09:05:59 pmit i in sicily. One of my collegues is from there and he uses that word all the time

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2012, 09:19:54 pm
content: oh okay then, it is also a word used in standard Italian but it does not mean balls. It could have come from dialect though and been given a new meaning. Normally it is used as an exclamation of awe. For example at how expensive something is or surprising. It is not really a word in Italian though, it's not the sort of thing you would find written down so it may have had its origins in Sicilian dialect where it may well mean balls.