EEV Blog #:129 Homeland Defence and Patriot Act of my U.S.A. - Page 1
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author: Lawsen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2011, 06:34:28 am
content: Dave Jones:Your video came as complete surprised. I thought it was purely electronics hardware and some firmware design and test and measurement evaluation. President Obama signed the renewal of the Patriot Act reluctantly and at the last minute. He does not agree with it, but there are many power people that agreed with it. Americans want retribution for the falling of the World Trade Towers, the Pentagon became a polygon, and the downing of the "let's roll," airliner. We (U.S.A.) want revenge. The U.K. and parts of Europe are taking advantage of the situation. Our corporations want cheap oil and gas. Afghanistan is for a corridor for pipelines for oil and gas between the Middle East, Asian Minor and Europe. Afghanistan is source for morphine. Europeans abused and exploited it. Americans are poised to exploit it, punish it for the leveling of the World Trade Tower. It was the Americans, us that manipulated and gave the rise to the same group of people that leveled our World Trade Tower to ousted the Russians that helped the Afghanistan government. We (a group in the U.S.A. government) placed the Suddam in power to attack Iran to punished them for over throwing our U.S.A. embassy in Iran. When Suddam grown too powerful or invaded Kuwait, then We, the U.S.A., invaded Iraq. Suddam hidden in a spider hole and disguised as a taxi driver and was hung later for human rights violations. I have noticed all my friend that came back from either Afghanistan or Iraq or both were not exactly the same. One was unfortunate to have to serve in two places for eight years and when he was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army, then he spent his days finishing a BA in history and works as a manager for a restaurant in Belgium. He did not return to U.S.A. where he grown up. He is very proud of the U.S. Army, but that is all. I saw him dropped out of the university and joined the army and came home different and went to an university again to study history and not return the the U.S.A. - wow. . . I have friend that gave up flying, because of the frisking. Recently, the full microwave body scanners are in use again. If you worked in a restaurant at the San Francisco Air Port, even the food coming in and fruit juices are carefully checked and scanned with a cargo scanner, X-rays. The food service people are sometimes frisked, too by the guards. It is very tough being an American at the moment. Hundreds of American banks have collapsed and more will collapsed, too. I am still very fortunate. Had I got hired by a mining firm abroad, then I have little choice, but to fly and be frisks and microwave scanned. I would be scanned and frisks 8 times or more per year coming to and from geology work abroad. The ones that gave up flying will have to drive a car or ride the Amtrak train. I cannot drive to Australia. I cannot ride a train to Australia. Traveling by ship would take too long. I have not got hired, so no worries. Most likely, I will find a minimum wage job here, no need to travel or ride in airplanes and risk it. The fear, searches, frisks, microwave scans, and expensive costs by rising fuel prices have made many airlines broke in the U.S.A. As an American, I am sorry. The U.S.A.'s policies were not my decision either. These policies were in place for my entire life time, not my decision or my life style. The U.S.A. never declared war, but have the war anyway to make war live able and acceptable. We are paying for the war in gasoline prices, copper prices, inflation, collapsed banks over houses and rentals a few years ago, and bunch of homeless veterans. Absolutely nothing good has came out of it. There is not much protest for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, because these bring in good jobs as soldiers. Most of my friends with the best income are in the military, they have nice Honda Civics. There is a lot of animosity for the falling of the World Trade Towers, does not matter which group is at fault, the mood is patriotism, retribution for the World Trade Tower falling, and disillusionment of the stagnant economy. Many Main Streets across American will not recover in the decade window future. Daily life in America gives no clue that the U.S. government are involved in serious wars. If there were no news, no web, and no newspapers, no magazines, no journals, and no videos, then I would not know there was a war. No one is protesting, because the war brings in good jobs for some. America is involved with Europe, recently to plan to invade Libya, 17TH largest petroleum source for Europe and China mostly. China underwrites the U.S.A.'s bank failure debts. China bought up the derivatives of the American housing price collapsed debts. Americans are expected to buy Chinese made equipment, appliances, clothing, and consumer goods to help the investors repay our debts. I think, I wrote enough about this topic. I am going back to electronics, geology, and pol. microscopes for minerals.Lawsen

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2011, 10:54:30 pm
content: Nice description, you just missed to report that the Greek economy and soon others,they had become and international experiment , and some American based blood suckers , they mess with it.From the side of logic, the analysis shown that the Americans they do not know how to make friends.And this tactic , it will work against , sooner than what they think.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 02:17:53 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on March 19, 2011, 10:54:30 pmQuote of the week!(talking about the government of course)I've probably had more feedback on that blog than any other, and mostly from Amercians who agree completely!Dave.

author: TheDirty
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 02:40:59 am
content: Paragraphs are your friend.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 03:26:43 am
content: Quote from: Lawsen on March 19, 2011, 06:34:28 amYou need not look far.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 07:37:54 am
content: Quote from: TheDirty on March 20, 2011, 02:40:59 am2nd!

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 10:43:41 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 20, 2011, 02:17:53 amI do not plan to expand my view, but the government represent the population, and the weapons are operated by the sons of the American population.And if some they disagree with their government it looks that they are few, in comparison with the ones who agree,and the only case to be completely wrong, are if the American population does not use democracy at all, so to elect their leaders.In this case , they must do something about it.As about me , I have lost my life because of this chess game.I have personal dept in to a local Bank , the economy are dead , I have no work , there is no way to pay the monthly payments to my bank.Also there is no hope to work as freelancer, when every one has nothing to spent.There is no hope to get married , or invest the money that I do not have , at building a house , or buying a car.And in this international global economy , I must blame someone for all this.Why ?Simply because I am trying to build my dreams with hard work, and some one else uses their ARMY so to make his dream an reality.And an fresher example , even today that there is a problem in Libya ,the major point in the news , are that the local government did not spent enough cash so to upgrade the electronics of their air planes.And so it is a easy target ...Looks clearly as commercial , for the rest stupid nations ... Buy modern weapons = Pay more money to the American gun lords ..No one really cares for the citizens of Libya .

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 11:17:45 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on March 20, 2011, 10:43:41 amOnly in fantasy land!Governments are a world unto themselves I'm afraid.You think you vote people in represent you, but it's only an illusion.Dave.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 11:31:09 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 20, 2011, 11:17:45 amI agree, that's why I vote for Dave ..At list he cares and for the others , and helps when it is possible .As about me , I have the awareness , and I am ready to fight so to change things.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 11:38:08 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 20, 2011, 11:17:45 ami agree, even the word "democracy" itself, is now a delussional term.and so shall 'thee' be apart from them and not mess with their "chess game". may 'thy' found a new era, and care for the 'thou' business for a new beginning of a better future!i got 'F' in english literature.ps: i want to make a boat so i can get fish for free in the sea, and sell it to people so i can get money to buy some rice (our main food here)

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 11:41:38 am
content: Someone should also mention that Barack Hussein Obama (like any other USA president) is just a "yes man" for J.P. Morgan, oil industries e.t.c.The main problem with new born nations (if someone could use the term nation for USA) like USA is power. Nature was very generous with USA. USA as a nation didn't had to work for anything. All the material needed was just lying there. It like when a little child doesn't have to think about food shelter e.t.c. Everything is just there. When the food stops? The child doesn't know how to cook. It will steal, kill, break in order to find food.This is USA. No more oil, lets do a war. No more room or our toxic waste, through it at Ecuador.My main concern is that USA citizen are desensitized for things like war, Patriot acts e.t.c.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 12:03:22 pm
content: I had to look for the word " desensitized " in the Google translation.. but I got it ..Yesterday there was one documentary on the TV , about China and Mao , the "great" leader.When Mao , had issues with Japan, the Americans offered to him , modern weaponry and technology ,so to win ..As soon Mao become an strong force , it started to build the great China ..Financially ( today) lots of American cash got invested in China too ( DELL made in China )Widely the Americans was saying to their own people , that the biggest enemy is Communism.And they build an huge weaponry , just with the idea that they must fight back, against the RED enemy.And I am wonder ? Does it makes any logic the actions of the American government worldwide, with what they say in their own people ?The quick answer is : none

author: Ferroto
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 04:40:48 pm
content: Personally I think citizens should be able to file a petition to have a public referendum to ammend any laws they see as unfit. If 10% of the population signs a petition to ammend a law then it goes to a public vote.The public vote is then handled like an election except you are voteing for a law instead of a candidate.The petition needs 10% of the public support to go on to a public referendum in order to stop the system from being clogged up with thousands of petitions.With the level of communication we have today we should be able to easily implement a system like this.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 05:19:11 pm
content: Quote from: Ferroto on March 20, 2011, 04:40:48 pmIt would also be a good idea if a similar thing would apply to getting rid of any elected politician.

author: Ferroto
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 07:06:37 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on March 20, 2011, 05:19:11 pmI'm thinking of this more pragmatically. Any law that allows people to create public referendums would still have to be its self passed into law. Politicians are unlikely to approve such a law if it included the ability for the public to initiate an election.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 07:30:10 pm
content: To see how well this kind of direct democracy works, look at the budget problems in California a few years ago. Extra money to schools and hospitals: sure. More taxes: no way. Decrease other budgets: no. Increase spending on roads: yes.

author: scrat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 08:55:29 pm
content: Quote from: Ferroto on March 20, 2011, 04:40:48 pmIn Italy a law can be subject to referendum to abrogate it when 500k people sign for it. This doesn't prevent any kind of injustice, unfortunately.Quote from: EEVblog on March 20, 2011, 11:17:45 amI think there is a connection between one country's people and its government, although this is not so simple as the representation by means of a vote.I'm not old, but the decline happening (at least in my country) is reflected by the decline in the politicians behaviour, and viceversa. The process has been very long, since a country has a big inertia, but now we can clearly see the results and changes are being very fast. There is a strong need for attention to education, but I feel only a heavy economical crisis can cure us, making it necessary to care one another.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 09:40:17 pm
content: Quote from: scrat on March 20, 2011, 08:55:29 pmI do understand your point , but what actually happens on heavy economical crisis, are that the young ones start to use drugs,the young girls become easily sex-toys .And the older ones (unemployed workers - fathers ) they take their life's ( suicide ).Because they feel unable to support their family, or their very basic life style.No to say that the crime becomes top job.No one can predict, what a desperate person will do in his despair ..And about care one another , I have to say that many old friends of my , they prefer to hide in their homes,than getting out , so no one else to be aware of their true financial status of them , and their large problems.In Greece we say that if you like to test your friends, you should say that your are financially broke.I hope other society's to be able to handle such a crisis with a better manner ,because in Greece it makes the people to feel more lonely, and stressed to the max.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 09:50:26 pm
content: Follow up ...About Libya , today the Americans drop 100 tomahawk missiles on several targets.It would be interesting to know how much it cost a single tomahawk .

author: scrat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 10:59:04 pm
content: Quote from: scrat on March 20, 2011, 08:55:29 pmI say this on an "evolutional" point of view, but I don't hope this will really happen.We (in Europe and maybe US) are going to see our incomes dramatically decrease in the future, but one at least hopes this will be a gradual thing, not the effect of a sudden crisis, and that each will pay its due, not only the poorest.Maybe, after we'll have touched the bottom, there will be again a way for those who are good at something to be valued for that.Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on March 20, 2011, 09:50:26 pmAnd how much the oil will pay for that, in other words how high the Return On Investment will be.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2011, 11:15:33 pm
content: Quote from: scrat on March 20, 2011, 10:59:04 pmWell If I was an free citizen of Libya , after the end of the this trouble, I would offer them an coffee, an thanks and a smile, and a big hag .The oil its not a gift, no matter what.And I would also ask for a compensation for every military Libyan air plane that they had blown up.Every aircraft has the price tag of a medium sized hospital fully loaded with anything.And as far I know everything like that had bought with taxes payed by the citizens.Its another thing to just protect the sky , by limiting the possibility of air attacks ,than doing target practice, by using as targets the property of the Libyan nation.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2011, 03:51:16 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on March 20, 2011, 11:15:33 pmyou are dreaming citizen. its impossible unless you change thefree citizentoprime ministerorking!i'm not good at this general knowledge stuff, but this is what i got from google about current Iraq.http://news.yahoo.com/topics/iraqhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/25/iraq-troops-obamato name a few.

author: the_raptor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2011, 05:11:49 am
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on March 20, 2011, 09:50:26 pm$600,000 USD.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2011, 09:12:59 am
content: Quote from: the_raptor on March 21, 2011, 05:11:49 amthats close to 2M our currency! well if this quick google is righthttp://www.naval-technology.com/news/news101386.htmlthe producer is within the US. so no worry, the money will recirculate back to the government (taxes etc) assuming the major cost is R&D (ie workers and bosses salary), not the imported material cost (hence "exported" currency).

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2011, 09:07:57 pm
content: A very good "somehow relevant" documentary.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/X2DRm5ES-uA

author: Wim_L
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2011, 11:44:36 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on March 20, 2011, 09:50:26 pmSunk costs... It's really a negative cost, after this, they do not have to spend maintenance on the missile anymoreWell, unless they do something silly like buy a new one to replace the spent one, then it might begin to add up to some real money.

author: the_raptor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2011, 01:39:27 am
content: There is a reason the things are only used for initial attacks or where planes are likely to get shot down. Jet fighters are hellishly expensive but they are still cheaper then a Tomahawk.The ultimate in low cost death delivery though is the humble B-52. It is estimated that they will reach a 100 years in service on theair framesnot just the model. That is some quality engineering.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2011, 05:32:13 pm
content: Quote from: the_raptor on March 22, 2011, 01:39:27 amNop the most ultimate low cost death delivery system, its the Greek pension plan ... with 300-500EUR per month , fatal with out blood ..

author: Lawsen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2011, 08:30:18 am
content: One Tomahawk missile costs $1,066,465.00 USD, Block 4, variant. It is made by Raytheon McDonnell Douglas Companies. It was first made by General Dynamics. It is powered by a jet engine. The main operators are the U.S. Navy and Royal British Navy. The U.K. government bought the Tac Tom Tomahawk jet powered cruise missile with a rocket booster during launch initially to gain speed and altitude. Surf and read here, fascinating missile, 112+18+24=154 Tomahawk missiles were launched upon Libya and about 49+16=65+? charred remains or people perished according to the news.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(missile)Tomahawk missile can take observation from ground troops and GPS coordinates and guided by drones as tactical network centric warfare system among various branches in the allied forces during an invasion.Who is involved in Libya:France, France Channel 24 news said their prime minister will not send the French Legions or ground troops.U.K.U.S.A., airplanes flown as far as the U.S.A. have bombed Libya successfully.DenmarkItalyGreece, Souda baseSweden with 8 fighter jetshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soudahttp://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2011/02/25/nato-warming-up-for-libya-greeces-souda-air-base-to-get-involved/Who is reluctant to be involved in Libya:GermanyRussiaBaltic RepublicsIrelandSpainChinaIndiaWho is suspected to be involved in Libya:Egypt is suspected to be selling rifles and weapons to the Libyan rebels.http://www.thisis50.com/forum/topics/cia-black-opsAirplane loses in Libya, at the moment:One American F-15One Su-24 Libyan Air Force taken down by accident by the Libyan rebels 23 mm cannons. It was flown by Syrian and Libyan rebels.One Soko Galeb G-2 AE training airplane Libyan Air Force taken down by a France Dessault Rafale jet as a warning to the no airplane allowed policy, until the dictator steps down as their leader. The last Soko Galeb G-2 AE was made in 1985. AE is a version for export from Yukoslav.One MiG-23BN, pilot killed, uncertain, because white smoke and rope like pattern out of the front indicating ejection, Libyan Air Force rebel or defection. It looks like it was taken down by a surface to air missile from someone in the ground.Lots of death on the highways by the airplanes firing machine cannons and rebels fighting the Libyan Army. President Obama is not able to remove the dictator of Libya. CIA has been called to action to further plan the rebellion to make sure the dictator step down. We are not sure this objective will be accomplished.The U.S.A. will cease some attacks, soon. I am worried that Sweden is trying to join in with 8 Grippen jet airplanes. I am afraid of the Grippen. Sweden is usually a neutral country and not involved in wars.http://www.acus.org/natosource/swedish-legislature-approves-sending-fighter-jets-libyaLawsen

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2011, 11:48:01 am
content: Quote from: Lawsen on March 23, 2011, 08:30:18 amSounds like that some one, has the free choice of participating or not .But it is not works that way ...The countries of NATO group are obligated to participate ,with primary role , or secondary role , like Greece that helps just about refueling those forces.The Greek nation are proud to say that in all the worldwide history, never ever a Greek bullet killed an Arab,that are friends of Greeks for more than 3.000 years .And we will keep it that way , no matter what.Greece and the Arab nations , and the Chinese , are the primary land marks , and the primary sources of knowledge ,for everyone who called as human today.The few drops of oil , is an temporally reason of conflict.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2011, 04:30:08 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on March 23, 2011, 11:48:01 amI wonder how had the "bright" idea to deploy 4 F-16 to the operations (thankfully they saw it coming and recalled the decision). I don;t want to know what would have happened...

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2011, 05:48:46 pm
content: If you are talking about Greek ones, flying over Crete island , is common routine , they fly over Greece all the time.This is why we have them ... local use .

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2011, 07:53:30 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on March 23, 2011, 05:48:46 pmI am talking about the last Fridays decision to send F-16 with active role in Libya operations. When they realized where that could lead us they changed their mind. "Greece attacks Arab targets". O.M.G.offtopic.Patrida edw!

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2011, 11:40:18 pm
content: Ok , got it , words is another thing , but at the end the actions counts .Where are you from " patrida " ( city ) ?