OBJECTIVE vs SUBJECTIVE DECISION MAKING - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 01:13:57 am
content: Almost every public facing organisation is using 'smart filtering' of community input to route, process or otherwise respond to external information & feedback.Once upon a time this automated process was tossed in the same category as 'AI' until someone realised it was extremely 'fuzzy' logic.Ahh - salesmen, ya gotta love 'em.Virtually all of these solutions use check-boxes, numbered lists and parsers in various combinations to identify keywords, directions and content from the sender's input. Where it all falls apart - frequently - is that the 'system' fails, and no-one... sender or intended recipient is any wiser.Everythingoutwardlyappears to be running smoothly, consultants get bonuses - organisation continues with expanding (un)successful automation delivered by the consultants that are smarter than everyone else with real experience 'because they have a certificate that says so'.Literally billions of dollars are wasted, and tens of thousands of real opportunities are masked and lost - by blind acceptance of poorly executed automated solutions. Theonlyway these 'efficient' systems can be assured as functioning correctly - is with closed-loop / feedback mechanisms to promote manual or self-modification of the processes involved. And the participation of the owners.Something like the 'digital cliff' of bit-error thresholds vs analog 'reception errors'.You don't know what you're missing unless someone points it out!Comments?

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 01:16:40 am
content: I've read this post through twice, and I find it almost, but not quite, entirely unintelligible.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 01:22:03 am
content: Quote from: SL4P on January 26, 2015, 01:13:57 amWhatever you were smoking, please, i would like some of it

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 01:33:05 am
content: Thanks.You read it and had your own thoughts. Exactly what a forum is all about.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 01:09:32 pm
content: Yeah, sorry, I'm lost too? Happy Australia Day though!

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 01:58:09 pm
content: Well I think one of the massive problems with implementing such a system is that by necessity they would have to have a much larger population for their results to be the "prime radiant" they want it to be and not just convenient filtering.Quote from: Halon on January 26, 2015, 01:09:32 pmDamn sharing my birthday with your country

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 03:20:52 pm
content: I read it once, and refuse to read it a second time.I think the guy is wanting to start a rant about the cheap SAP/ERP/HR/Sales system that is installed on the servers at work.

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 10:05:41 pm
content: - that's actually pretty close, but written fromoutsidethe organisation!+10 points for getting the idea.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 11:40:56 pm
content: Quote from: elgonzo on January 26, 2015, 01:22:03 amTo be fair... his avatar suggests the obvious.Floyd, good stuff.Tim

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2015, 11:56:12 pm
content: Am I the only one that got it..? I guess it is kind of convoluted. It could be summed up more simply,"Organizations frequently implement automated polling systems, and follow them blindly without doing the hard work to check that they are, in fact, producing valuable results."That's fine with me: I think in control theory all the damn time, and the basic problem of many things is: if you don't have feedback, sure, it might work, it might even work astonishingly well for a ridiculously long time; but it WILL fail some time, and it WON'T be pretty.A graphic example: most any automated production process. You've got levers swinging back and forth, robots picking up stuff from conveyor belts, machining centers whirring back and forth... So much of it is completely open loop. Many of them don't care if a part goes out of whack, or missing entirely (the chain-linking machine can be restarted from a gap, the coin-minting machine poops out the offset and keeps on going). Others don't (say, miles of paper handling equipment for papermaking or printing, all running in perfect lockstep at all times).You'll see feedback in places where it matters (production printing uses optical detection and phase locking to maintain alignment between different color printing rollers -- this is why cereal boxes, bags of chips, etc. all have those funny colored squares or circles in one corner), but not often for total systems, because... oh boo hoo, it's "hard"... (e.g., optical recognition of obstacles for a self-driving robot).Solving these "hard" problems should be one of the last steps towards a largely mechanized and automated lifestyle.Personally, I can't wait until self-driving cars become effective, approved, and cheaply available -- in the U.S., you might spend one or two hours a day driving to work -- this country is so large, it's not practical to install rails (too many stops, too great of distance between stops, and not enough traffic for any branches to be worthwhile*), nor is it effective to take the bus (many stops, expensive) or taxi ($$$).*Except where it is, which is already the case (mostly). Chicago and New York being the two prominent examples, having useful light rail and/or subway systems. And Los Angeles being the most prominent counter-example (go figure..).To broaden the speculative scope even further...I, for one, think it would be utterly fantastic to codify things more mundane than computer programming. Lawyers should implement their laws as programs, replacing trials by evaluating (executing) the programs. (A very different type of execution!) Just imagine all the self-interested politicians and blood-sucking lawyers going out of business....ah, but as they make and enforce the laws, they would never allow such to happen.On the upside, it's no longer a new thing: lawyers/legislators have been reported using GitHub. It's a start..Tim

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2015, 12:10:37 am
content: Quote from: SL4P on January 26, 2015, 01:13:57 amThe implications of flexible epistemologies have been far-reaching and pervasive. In this paper, we demonstrate the study of context-free grammar, which embodies the structured principles of software engineering. We disconfirm not only that the World Wide Web can be made reliable, relational, and psychoacoustic, but that the same is true for telephony.Theorists agree that homogeneous configurations are an interesting new topic in the field of algorithms, and cyberneticists concur. This follows from the understanding of the lookaside buffer. The inability to effect operating systems of this has been well-received. Continuing with this rationale, it should be noted that PUME investigates the visualization of DNS. however, multi-processors alone cannot fulfill the need for the simulation of e-commerce. Despite the fact that this finding might seem perverse, it has ample historical precedence.Unified random modalities have led to many technical advances, including kernels and the lookaside buffer. After years of appropriate research into rasterization, we disconfirm the exploration of the location-identity split, which embodies the key principles of machine learning . In order to fulfill this goal, we confirm that the well-known decentralized algorithm for the improvement of Scheme follows a Zipf-like distribution.The implications of wearable symmetries have been far-reaching and pervasive. The notion that cryptographers interact with compact communication is never adamantly opposed. Next, an extensive quagmire in theory is the study of Boolean logic. The exploration of the transistor would improbably amplify the analysis of multi-processors.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2015, 12:14:01 am
content: Darn! I adore you.

author: DIPLover
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2015, 05:20:03 am
content: Are you a bot?If so, I'd like to meet your creator. If we expand this, we might be able to publish in any number of scientific journals.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2015, 06:29:32 am
content: That's what that was, and it (or likely, similar works) has already been published many times.Tim