Export Control - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: metrologist
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2019, 10:32:30 pm
content: I know that if foreign business travelers come to my company and I hand them export restricted technology, and they turn out to be terrorists from one of those countries, I have violated US export control law and could face direct prosecution.I am curious how this works when people are dealing in the surplus market? How are eBay and Amazon complying? Is it like Uber where they are just providing a service of connecting sellers and buyers?What if my neighbor is a terrorist and I sell him some restricted used equipment, am I exposed?

author: ajb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2019, 10:45:20 pm
content: In order to comply with US export regulations, you have to first determine the Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) for any item(s) you wish to export, which will then tell you what export controls that item is subject to. From there, you have to refer to a set of country lists to determine if the country you want to export the item to is subject to those particular export controls. You ALSO have to refer to a list of parties (individuals and companies) to whom exporting certain items is prohibited. If the item you want to export is controlled for the destination entity or country, then you either can't export it at all, or in some cases must obtain a permit to export it. You are also required to ensure that you're not exporting to someone who will subsequently transfer the item to a prohibited country or entity, which is why some sellers don't ship to reshippers. It doesn't matter what the item is or if it is new or used, the same process applies.eBay doesn't actually do any exporting, it's just an auction house essentially, so export compliance is the seller/shipper's responsibility. Amazon, AFAIK, mostly ships from regional subsidiaries, so if you're in Europe, for instance, you're purchasing from warehouses in the EU, generally, so nothing is getting exported from the US to you by Amazon. If the item originated in the US, then presumably export compliance was handled via the manufacturer or distributor who provided it to Amazon, and is known to be under no export controls that would prohibit its general sale onward from there.Same thing with other large distributors, presumably they handle all of the export compliance for US-origin items when those items are either transferred internally from a US location to a non-US location, or when the item is acquired from a distributor. If you order from a US supplier directly, then the supplier is obligated to export an item to you only in compliance with applicable controls. I'm not familiar with other countries' export rules, but I imagine that they get handled the same way, IE, at the time of export from the country in question.

author: metrologist
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2019, 11:07:14 pm
content: The problem I have with "export" is that technology does not need to leave the room for it to be exported. And what about laypeople that are at swap meets trading lots of surplus with loose PCB's and your customers are walking up to your table?Determining what you are selling may not be possible, much less determining ECCN.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 05:15:14 pm
content: I think if it becomes a problem, you, as a seller, will be among the first to know about it. There's a reason that eBay sellers just won't ship outside the US. They don't want to be the test case!

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 06:59:09 pm
content: It seems that the majority of people don't worry about it, unless they're specifically dealing with products for military/aerospace/ITAR/etc.

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 07:29:52 pm
content: You can group export restrictions into roughly three categories:- Countries you shouldn't sell to.- Companies and persons you shouldn't sell to. This is regulated by the so called TDO, "table of denial orders", which is issued regularly by the US authorities (once a month, I believe).- Technology that is restricted. This one is really difficult. Everyone understands why you shouldn't be sending plutonium somewhere, but the trap is called "Dual Use". The product might be harmless in a normal application, but deadly used in a different way. Large companies have complete departments for this kind of thing.