Difference between earth, chassis, and power supply grounds - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Involute
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2014, 02:34:43 am
content: This would be a great topic for Fundamentals Friday (if it's not too basic).

author: TVman
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timestamp: May 13, 2014, 04:00:20 am
content: I "think" it's all the same.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2014, 04:32:09 am
content: Quote from: TVman on May 13, 2014, 04:00:20 amIt really isn't.Ground is not ground, and it's certainly not earth.

author: SeanB
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timestamp: May 13, 2014, 04:59:00 am
content: Earth ground - The connection that goes to the power line earth, that eventually goes to a spike or earth mat that is in the outside earth, used mostly to dissipate static charge.Chassis ground - The connection to the metal chassis the unit is supported on. It may be floating from earth ground or connected to it, or even to one side of the mains.Power supply ground - The current return path for the power supply. It may be connected to the chassis or not.Thus you can have a power supply ground that is isolated from the chassis ground, while the chassis ground is sitting at 300V from a mains bridge rectifier, and the metal parts of the case that you can touch are connected to earth ground.

author: TVman
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timestamp: May 13, 2014, 05:03:36 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on May 13, 2014, 04:59:00 amI just learned something, Thank you!

author: Neilm
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timestamp: May 13, 2014, 06:50:04 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on May 13, 2014, 04:59:00 amThis is the one used for safety return on mains powered equipment

author: AG6QR
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timestamp: May 13, 2014, 07:58:20 pm
content: One more point about earth ground: The earth isn't always a great conductor, so two stakes hammered into the ground at different places, even relatively close together, aren't always at the same potential. This can be especially true if lighting is in the process of striking the ground close by.Electrical codes may vary from one region to another, but the ones I'm familiar with require an earth ground at the point where utility service enters a building. Some radio antennas also require an earth ground, and if you have antennas on towers, it's common to require that the tower have an earth ground for lightning protection. These ground points may or may not be right near the utility service entrance. For safety's sake in case of lightning strike, if you have more than one stake pounded into the earth, it's important that all such stakes be bonded together with a conductor with very high current capacity. If there's going to be a potential difference between different earth ground stakes, don't force the potential difference to go through any radios or other delicate equipment. It's not a good idea to have the shield of a radio's antenna connector going to one earth ground by the antenna tower, while its chassis is connected to a different earth ground next to the utility service entrance.

author: Monkeh
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timestamp: May 13, 2014, 10:19:47 pm
content: Quote from: AG6QR on May 13, 2014, 07:58:20 pmThis is why ground isn't ground and isn't earth, either.

author: miguelvp
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timestamp: May 14, 2014, 04:22:52 am
content: Simple:Earth:Chassis:Power Supply Grounds:

author: Dave Turner
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timestamp: May 15, 2014, 10:06:12 pm
content: Used to have the return (ground) for our telephone provided by a copper spike driven into the ground. In dry weather we could improve reception/transmission by pouring water over the spike. Think about it!

author: VEGETA
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timestamp: November 06, 2014, 02:43:01 pm
content: yes! i do aid such a topic!

author: nixfu
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timestamp: November 07, 2014, 01:50:49 pm
content: Most of this confusion comes into play when you have AC vs DC or you have both in your device. There are important differences to keep in mind when you work with them.Dave did touch on this in "how to keep from blowing up your scope", but more could maybe help with maybe a video of "how to keep from blowing up YOURSELF and your project".

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2014, 02:00:11 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on May 13, 2014, 04:59:00 amYou might like to add: PCB/circuit ground -a fiction, especially when considering RF. Suc a "ground" can act as an excellent antenna and/or part of the passive circuit elements that determine the circuit's operation.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2014, 02:22:42 pm
content: Quote from: nixfu on November 07, 2014, 01:50:49 pmIt is enough to work with most commercially made lab power supplies. You get a black terminal (ground) and a green one (mains earth, most often chassis connected). They are often bridged by a slab of metal between the binding posts, but sometimes they are not (floating PSU).And yeah, it is important to be aware of the difference, because having non-floating connections is a good way to blow up your instruments (by shorting through the common mains earth wire).

author: robrenz
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timestamp: November 07, 2014, 02:29:44 pm
content: Practical Electronics for Inventors has quite an extensive section on this topic.

author: LabSpokane
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timestamp: November 07, 2014, 04:56:34 pm
content: When in doubt, ohm it out.

author: gilbenl
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2014, 06:46:00 am
content: +1 for this suggestion. Maybe some practical considerations as well when designing circuits as well.