Siglent SSA3000X and SSA3000X-Plus  Spectrum Analyzers - Page 1
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author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2015, 02:02:53 pm
content: ETA (2021-09-01):It is old mistake when these both models, X and Xplus are mixed here in same thread. If later Siglent produce different different models where HW etc is very different, even if model number is nearly same etc. It is best to keep both tightly in totally separate threads for avoid confusion and mess what can also see here in this thread many pelaces.Naturally one reason for this mess is Siglent not so good product model numbering what quite easy produce confusion and mess... but here Siglent is not alone - unfortunately.My proposal is that who ever write and comment in this thread, please inform every time in every message which one you talk.SSA3000X and SSA3000Xplus are very different products!!! Even when they have lot of same functions but they have different HW and they are different in FW and different in many details, including that SDS3000XPlus HW is SVA1000X brother but SSA3000X is not.So, please, when you talk, make it clear if you talk aboutXorXPlusmodel.----------------------------------------------old continuePreliminary, coming in the near future. Siglent new Spectrum analyzer serie is SSA3000XThere is 9kHz - 2.1GHz and 9kHz - 3.2GHz models with and without tracking generator.Min RBW 10HzDANL -161 dBm/HzFull freq range tracking gen. (2.1 or 3.2GHz) in SSA3000X-TG models10.1" 1024x600 TFTSome optional features and accessories.My rough estimate about prices is ~6k$ - <12k$ depending model without optionals. So it is not targeted for low end hobby markets "spectrum analyzer". Are there also coming some cheap model for bottom entry level.... I have not seen any signs.Price estimate was derived from some chinese sides before product was really launched.---------------------------------------------------------EDIT/ADD: As we all know today, prices are totally in different class what was preliminary quessing.Dave J. have done nice tear down video + some compare.https://youtu.be/-8fr_otW0q4Teardown (very good! )https://youtu.be/gkLciTsjGZgSiglent SSA3021X vs Rigol DSA815Today we have get alsoTheSignalPathwell done Teardown-Reviewhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ssa3032x-9khz-3-2ghz-spectrum-analyzer-review-teardown-experiments/https://youtu.be/Fn7uaEVeOPk

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2015, 05:28:07 pm
content: Quote from: rf-loop on October 14, 2015, 02:02:53 pmThe UI looks certainly nice, as does the external design. The specs aren't really exciting, though:ftp://www.siglent.com/www/Uploadfile/File/20150930/SSA3000X_datasheet.pdfRBW: 10Hz to 1MHzFrequency resolution: 1 HzInternal Reference:Reference frequency accuracy: <0.2 ppmTemperature stability: <1 ppm, 0 ? 5Frequency aging rate: <0.5 ppm / first year, 3.0 ppm / 20 yearsPhase Noise:<-95 DBc / Hz @ 10 kHz offset, <-98 dBc / Hz (typ)<-96 DBc / Hz @ 100 kHz offset, <- 97 dBc / Hz (typ)<-115 DBc / Hz @ 1 MHz offset, <-117 dBc / Hz (typ)Distortion and spurious response:Second Harmonic Distortion (fc ? 50 MHz, the mixer level -30 dBm, input attenuation 0 dB, the preamplifier off, 20 ? to 30 ?): -65 DBcThird order intercept point (fc ? 50 MHz, two-tone input level -20 dBm, frequency spacing 100 kHz, the input attenuation 0 dB, the preamplifier off, 20 ? to 30 ?): +10 DBm1 dB gain compression (fc ? 50 MHz, the input attenuation 0 dB, the preamplifier off, 20 ? to 30 ?): > -5 DBm, nominal valueScan Points: 751QuoteIf that's true then this is pretty expensive, considering that the 3GHz Rohde & Schwarz FSC (which has comparable specs) starts at below $6k, and that is from a big reputable brand.

author: klaus11
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 14, 2015, 06:13:19 pm
content: nice video!http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTM1NzgwMjA4OA==.html

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2015, 10:18:00 pm
content: Quote from: rf-loop on October 14, 2015, 02:02:53 pmNice to see a decent image, I had heard whispers of a new SA.

author: Dubbie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2015, 10:35:50 am
content: The price does seem a bit off. Considering there are a bunch of "name brand" SA's you can get for that with equal or better specs. IMHO though, it's a really nice looking unit! (Except that ugly logo)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 09:32:28 pm
content: Which ugly logo? I personally think Siglent is a nice name, and the logo looks pretty neat as well!

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2015, 09:01:19 pm
content: Quote from: rf-loop on October 14, 2015, 02:02:53 pmThis really seems like an odd exit out of the value low end T&M gear section. IMO one would start with high quality fuller feature DMMs and "easier" equipment before jumping into the mid range SA market.It would take some serious reviews and a 1-2 year delay before I'd buy a $12k Siglent SA.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 07:12:20 am
content: Full specs and pricing are now available on Siglent websites:http://www.siglentamerica.com/pdxx.aspx?id=1546&T=2&tid=227Datasheet:http://www.siglentamerica.com/USA_website_2014/Documents/DataSheet/SSA3000X_DataSheet.pdfEditAddactivelink to datasheet.

author: awallin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 07:33:01 am
content: Quote from: tautech on December 23, 2015, 07:12:20 amso those initial price estimates were only off by a factor of 4 or so...in that price range the direct competitors are Rigol DSA815/1030, maybe also Hameg HMS-X, something else?google-spreadsheet for comparisons anyone?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 08:13:55 am
content: Quote from: awallin on December 23, 2015, 07:33:01 amComparison chart attached.

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 11:02:35 am
content: Quote from: awallin on December 23, 2015, 07:33:01 amYes.(but still based to some facts. (if I remember right perhaps to some older price info...)All we know that prices in China are not cheap and if prices continue 10-20% rising per year (and some prices even more)...But in this attached img, these are current (from Siglent web sides, china)

author: EV
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 12:39:24 pm
content: Prices in EU:http://www.siglent.eu/spectrum-analyzers.html

author: H.O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 12:58:38 pm
content: What?According tothis exchange ratesite there's 7.07CNY to one Euro. At CNY56800 for the 3032X that would put it at around €8000, yet it's "only" €3000 in Europe. Am I using the wrong currency?European site doesn't list the -TG option but if the 3032X is Y56600 or €3000 could we expect the -TG be around €3000/Y56800*Y66800=€3500?

author: EV
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 01:55:09 pm
content: Tg option is here:http://www.siglent.eu/catalog/product/view/id/1111/s/siglent-tg-ssa3000x-tracking-generator-license/category/98/

author: H.O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 02:21:31 pm
content: Thanks, €169 makes it a no-brainer of course AND makes the chinese prices even more confusing.....Y10000 difference translates into €169....Not that I could really justify the cost but it does put "a bit" of pressure on Rigol with their DSA-832TG which is twice the price when you include the pre-amp so for those that CAN justify it looks like a pretty good deal.I hope they put one in the hands of Shahriar for review and teardown.

author: awallin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 08:00:23 pm
content: Not that I am buying an SA anytime soon, but I entered some info into a spreadsheet anywayhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yijOHnEqQ5ffkcK3lZFgzSga9HShgZcXY4gEWarSnQI/edit?usp=sharing(PM me if you want to edit it!)USB, Ethernet, GPIB, etc. connectivity would be good info to add.Hameg HMS-X doesn't look great on specs, unless you need the small size, fanless design etc.In general DANL numbers are all over the place, a bit like fuel consumption on cars - would be better to only trust measurements done by an independent third party not the manufacturer datasheet.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2015, 08:25:22 pm
content: Quote from: awallin on December 23, 2015, 08:00:23 pmNice. thanks for that, it will useful for all.BTWMany confuse Siglent EU (distributor) withhttp://www.siglenteu.com/the latter being the real Siglent branch in Hamburg. All official Siglent websites differonlyin contact details and pricing.However ATM both sites show the same pricing.

author: nowlan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2015, 04:49:26 am
content: Looking forward the reviews.

author: markone
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2016, 01:55:20 pm
content: Quote from: EV on December 23, 2015, 01:55:09 pmThat option sounds like a mere softtware licence key, does it mean that the instrument come anyway with TG HW installed and it's only matter to activate it, even after the purchase ?On the paper this SA sounds like a winner against Rigol DSA815-TG, among other things 2.1Ghz covering range against 1.5Ghz means the you can use it for L-Band GPS & Inmarsat LNA & Antenna stuff.The only concer is the build quality and FW support, for the first ascpect i fear it will be far inferior to Rigol.Am i wrong ?Anyway, someone found any test, review, "interior photo" or usage video other than Siglent "trailer".

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2016, 08:01:18 pm
content: Quote from: markone on January 11, 2016, 01:55:20 pmYes, this appears to be the case......so stated on the Siglent websites:http://www.siglentamerica.com/prodcut-fjxx.aspx?fjid=1562&id=1546&tid=227&T=2On my pricelist, TG has separate pricing and if required would be added to the base model pricing.It's likely the units SN# and ID# would be sent to Siglent for the TG enable codes if purchased without TG, in much the same way as available options are enabled after purchase in the Siglent range of DSO's.QuoteThese units have been released for not yet a month and there's been internal discussion of upcoming external reviews, all one can say is it is a job for an experienced reviewer and also not a job that takes 10 minutes to do properly.Watch this space.

author: markone
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2016, 10:58:55 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on January 11, 2016, 08:01:18 pmSure i will do.For my needing at the moment would be enough a simple video showing basic task like a filter curve tracing, some GUI iteration, maybe a shot inside, just to get a short glimpse about build quality and decide if it's the case to wait for serious reviews and not to go with Rigol right now.Any hidden owner of this SA is advised ;-)What attracts me over DSA815 is the superior frequency coverage, 2.1 Ghz means that it comes in handy for L-Band GPS and Inmarsat LNAs & Antennas.Anyway, if really this instrument is on the market since one month, the complete absence of any sort of photo / video document on the WWW seems quite strange.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 08:15:23 am
content: FW update released:http://www.siglentamerica.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=3615&tid=15Changelog included.EditEasySpectrum software package too:http://www.siglentamerica.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=3616&tid=14

author: markone
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 08:48:54 am
content: Any review out there ?Those SA, together new 2000X DSO lineup are like ghosts ...

author: Pinkus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 09:08:52 am
content: Quote from: markone on March 02, 2016, 08:48:54 amMy take on that: all ham amateurs and developers working on a small buget did purchase a DSA815 in the past (given a need of a SA), so this market is saturated. Now it will take much longer to bring a reasonable amount of SA devices into the market.If I would be the marketing manager at Siglent, I would leak a hack to activate all features .... THEN the sales will boost and the coverage of the device will be everywhere. Cheapest way to gain market share and positive brand awareness.The task for gainingnegative brand awarenesshas already been fulfilled (google "Siglent wrongful trademark claim") by Siglent

author: markone
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2016, 09:35:11 am
content: An instrument sample sent to Dave for a review / tear-down would come in handy to promote those new lines.Recently the Siglent SSA3032X appeared as "available ready to ship" from Batronix (Germany), so they actually exist ....