Didn't make a note of single subject in engineering, graduating soon what to do? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / beginners

author: shivajikobardan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 10:14:22 am
content: Didn't make notes. And sold all notes which I made lol for cents(it can't be get back now). Engineering is ending in few days. I am truly regretting this stupidity. I have notes of few subjects that I failed in 2nd and 3rd year like 2-3 subjects and notes of subjects from 7th semester...8th semester is running currently. What od I do? I am ece student. trying to enter into programming web development at first and then enter into electronics industry moving abroad.Now studying 1 subject on my own completely will take me at least 1.5 months to complete it. For eg say I want to enter programming web development. Then there will be around 15 subjects to study which is almost 2 years time wasted. What to do ? really worried..

author: alexanderbrevig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 10:47:10 am
content: I'm not a note taker myself so my question would be: did you pay attention? Did you learn anything?If not, are you sure you are in the correct field? Engineering should be an interest and most good engineers I know self-educate constantly. Also in their spare time.My suggestion would be to do some projects, document them and publish them online.Then, bring them to interviews and be prepared to answer questions about it.Bringing a hardware project to a client looking for a web-dev is not a bad idea (a web project is obviously better), though you will need to prepare to answer relevant questions that your project does not touch.F.ex maybe you have an internet connected widget that serves a simple HTML page. Then they will ask about databases, frontend frameworks and whatever you did not show an existing knowledge of.Good luck!

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 10:47:29 am
content: I am bewildered by your perspective. That includes even basic essentials like cooking for yourself.Quote from: shivajikobardan on February 07, 2022, 10:14:22 amFailing one subject can happen. Failing several may mean you are not in the right field.QuoteTHAT (underlined) is what bewilders me. Put another way, you have spent 8 semesters studying to be an EE, now you want to change to web design and consider that any additional time needed is wasted.My advice is that neither is wasted time if you learned the subject matter.On the other hand if you failed EE and are now changing because of that, then it is likely any additional time spent trying to learn a new field -- any new field -- will also be wasted. Have you talked with your parents? Maybe they decided to leave you alone for a week as a lesson in "tough love." My mom's advice more times than I can remember was " you have to work hard, or you will lose your job, go broke, and starve to death." Maybe your mom and my mom knew each other?

author: CaptDon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 03:19:52 pm
content: Shows me your lack of understanding, lack of trying to be the best in your class, lack of love for the subject matter in the first place tells me you will be as worthless as the other similar lackies that company 'GX' hired to write code and control 4400+ Horsepower hoping to not have major explosions. Now you want our help to make up for you being basically a pod. Your other post a month or so back was just as lame. Well, here is some advice, use all the important buzz words on your resume so the algorithm parsers will select you to be hired as an H1B. Make sure to ask for at least a $100k starting salary so the dumb asses in the H.R. department will think you are an outstanding candidate for the job and stay as far as you can away from my lab where I hire people who can carry through and actually solve problems on their own or at least offer credible solutions. Sorry, I am bitter that numb nutz like you get hired over people who actually love the subject they are trained in. They search data online, read books, trade papers and journals and impress the hell out of me every day I interact with them!!

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 05:00:03 pm
content: Quote from: shivajikobardan on February 07, 2022, 10:14:22 amCan't tell if you are trolling or for real, but assuming you are for real....Good luck with engineering, software, business, and life without taking notes.Or maybe start taking notes.Seriously, taking notes is not that hard. Mostly it takes discipline, which starts with a decision to do it.Take notes the best way you can by hand or computer or both. Get as much down as you can. The key is to then go back to review and summarize your notes. This process of reviewing and summarizing is just as important as getting the notes documented in the first place. The review and summarizing steps help transfer info from your short term memory (like RAM) to your long term memory (like disk storage).Read and do this:https://www.wellesley.edu/sites/default/files/assets/departments/pltc/files/students/NotesOnNotes.pdfOver time if you are computer literate you can do a lot of it on a computer or a tablet, but even if you start with a pen/pencil and paper it will help, maybe a lot.Take notes, review and summarize them as appropriate, learn the material.After planting (which was the beginning of the end of nomadic wandering by hunters and gatherers constantly in search of food) the next big revolution that increased human productivity was writing. Planting and writing might have both developed about the same time. "Where did we plant those seeds? Next year we should maybe write down where we planted the seeds so we can find the food." That might have been about 10,000 years ago. It's good to take notes.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 05:13:50 pm
content: Chuck it all in and get a job as an trainee chef

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 05:26:43 pm
content: Just graduate get the degree. You can make decent money with the degree and without knowledge.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 05:34:00 pm
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on February 07, 2022, 10:47:29 amReally depends on the uni. And the country. And everything else.The one where I studied, it was regular that classes had 50% pass rating at an end of semester test. It was the usual way to get more money from the government (and us) that was paying for our education. Yes it was free (as in beer) unless you failed a subject, than you had to pay a fee based on the credits. Plus you had to retake it, which was easy money for them.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 05:38:29 pm
content: Leave school (preferably with a degree) and do something completely different for a year or two. Work, travel, whatever. You'll figure it out.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 06:39:46 pm
content: To be fair to the OP, I had a long education and took copious notes during the lectures, but never referred back to them during my career. Instead, I used the collection of textbooks from the courses when I needed the equations.

author: Renate
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 06:56:43 pm
content: Sometimes the act of taking notes is in itself helpful to retention (even if you never refer to them). OTOH, some note-takers are so offline that they practically write down sneezes.Probably the majority of the world works without passion. But this is engineering, damn it!

author: Ground_Loop
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 09:45:04 pm
content: A few responses above can be (should be) ignored. Don't panic. I have always been terrible at taking useful notes and have never looked back at the ones I did take. However, I have referred to many of my text books. If there is something you're good at you'll eventually find a way to make a living doing it.

author: eugene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 11:09:42 pm
content: Quote from: shivajikobardan on February 07, 2022, 10:14:22 amMy advice: find a career where learning the material doesn't seem like a waste of time. If the thought of studying web development makes you sad, then you should not become a web developer.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2022, 11:43:38 pm
content: Lady Diana failed her school exam, twice, and still became a Princess

author: hw
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 12:51:05 am
content: Most important thing right now is to graduate.You may want to read up on the ikagai concept, i.e. finding:What you loveWhat you’re good atWhat you can be paid forWhat the world needsEngineering is a large field.Personally, I have classmates who graduated with high honours going into fields that are more business development, sales rather than engineering. If you're not doing hard core engineering, an engineering degree is IMHO, just a gauge to show that you're capable of learning and thinking. Most of the learning happens on the job.Likewise, for programming, learning a language does little to show that you're capable of programming. Do some projects to build up your skills.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 04:56:07 am
content: Quote from: CaptDon on February 07, 2022, 03:19:52 pm[Fx: slow hand clap]If you'd read this guys other posts you'd realise, as if one couldn't from what he's written here, that he's suffering from a crisis of confidence. I just hope that when you need help you run into someone as "helpful" as yourself, you deserve it.

author: Capernicus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 06:38:48 am
content: Anyone can have huge motivation problems that appear out of nowhere, and seemingly have no cause, because u'd definitely benefit from finishing your work, everyone does guaranteed.Maybe quitting UNI and just working on your engineering at home might be a good option, Is there any devices you'd have fun putting together by yourself? Like some game or maybe a home made computer? Do you have any unfullfilled technology dreams?Alot of people who fail uni actually are better suited to assigning their own projects to themselves, if there is no interest, then theres no work put in. Maybe its god playing a trick on you (Making u disinterested.), he plays tricks on all of us. And theres not much man can do about it, so here I choose to not ever judge.

author: CaptDon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 03:37:46 pm
content: I have sought out the elders in the field and listened and learned. I had a passion for my field since childhood. I read everything I could get my hands on. I hung out in the garages and radio shacks of ham radio operators. When I didn't understand I sought out those who did. At no time did I ever lose sense of direction and say "This is to hard". The O.P. may lack sense of direction. He seems to want to enter a field of which he has no natural talent for and therefore meanders aimlessly with simple tasks being difficult due to lack of passion. Countless times those who worked for me have said "When you explain it I understand it". Then we have a situation where the minds of many professors and engineers can't relate to their students!! They simply put are great minds but poor teachers. Teachers have to have the fire and passion for the subject at hand. Case in point, our design engineers wrote the product test procedures. They were so incomprehensible to the lesser skilled QA/QC minions that it took way longer than expected to do simple tasks. I re-wrote the test procedures, the engineers usually wouldn't sign off on my rendition because it hurt their pride. So we had the 'official ISO stuff' laying on the desktops and the "I can actually follow this logical flow" procedures sitting on the laps of the QA/QC team. I have been out of the particular contract manufacturer for years but my procedures are in the files along with the official ones. The O.P. doesn't seem to be a problem solver and balks at challenges as opposed to having the 'I can do this no matter how tough it gets' as well as seeming to be hugely disorganized in his task management. These shortcomings will become apparent as an employee, seen it time after time. One thing I remember my guitar teacher telling me "It is so simple if you'll just let it be"! I myself was making it difficult because I believed in my mind's eye that it was. That was a revelation in lifelong learning. B.T.W., several of the folks I have mentored have rewarding careers today because they had the ambition and I communicated the hows and whys of the field and we spent many evenings and weekends off the clock building and testing their designs and having FUN along the way keeping their passion alive!!!

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 05:33:23 pm
content: @shivajikobardan: I'm sorry, I haven't really got any new advice for you. I know from other posts of yours that you've sought professional advice and it clearly isn't really helping at the moment so you've turned to the "experts" here. Well, as you can see, there aren't any experts here, not at getting over life's psychological road bumps anyway, just a few well meaning souls and one or two self-obsessed idiots who'd have to look up solipsistic in a dictionary.One suggestion that's come up several times is some variant on "take a break" and when you face problems you can't fix, trivial or serious, that's often good advice. I can't count how many times something hasn't been going my way, be it as trivial as trying to get an awkward bolt to fit something or as significant as figuring out whether it was time to change jobs, when just walking away from it for a bit was all that needed. Taking a break isn't "quitting", it's "getting your breath back so that you're ready to try again". How long a break you need to get your wind back only you can tell. It might be a week, it might be a year.Other advice has included getting some exercise, and there's no doubt that it's good for one's mental well being and often more effective than all the drugs and therapy that medics like to dole out. Think about combining a break and some exercise, a couple of weeks walking holiday in the hills somewhere can work wonders for one's state of mind and perspective on things. Unfortunately it isn't a cure for the kind of terminal narcissism that leads one to write "I" seventeen times in a single paragraph in a topic where one is supposed to be trying to offer someoneelsesome help and comfort.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 06:01:39 pm
content: Quote from: CaptDon on February 08, 2022, 03:37:46 pmYou've used "I" to refer to yourself seventeen times in a single paragraph that ought to be about trying to help someone else. That is clearly messed up and I'm completely serious when I say you ought to sit back and think about that. Is this characteristic of your approach to life, making everything about you and your achievements? (Having a footer on every message that lists your "rank" in several areas of endeavour would suggest so, most people just have a quote, a joke, or list an area(s) of interest.) Focusing on what you believe you have achieved when you should be applying empathy? If so, I think you may have problems enough of your own. "Physician heal thyself" would seem apt here.

author: CaptDon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2022, 01:20:48 am
content: Better?

author: Capernicus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2022, 02:48:48 am
content: I dont know about you but me, definitely BETTER.good... better... BEAST.

author: CaptDon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2022, 01:56:19 pm
content: Mee sorry mee write in first person singular!!! Try again preaze. You could read journals and trade papers in the career path You seek. You could seek out mentors, professors and fellow students with similar interests for a study group. You could take a break with that same group and play a relaxing round of UNO or draw poker. You could make copies of Your notes prior to selling them, make multiple sales, be entrepreneur. You could have a 4 drawer file cabinet with practically every note You have ever taken. You could scan those notes, place them on a DVD-R indexed, then burn the paper notes for heat and sell the file cabinet for profit. You could endeavor a career path that keeps You up at night with excitement. When You reach a high point in one career and have lots of dead wood above You making progress at a stand still You could have a rewarding career in 3 other unrelated fields!! You could hollow out a log and paddle it around the world then write a best seller about Your experiences and make more money in one year than us engineers make in a lifetime! You could build the first rocket ship shaped like a letter 'T' because it is more fun that way, and besides some dimwit already thinks that's what motorcycles are supposed to look like. If You want compassion just ask any Asian student in Your university. You can easily find them, They will be eating Your lunch and applying for Your job. You may want to learn Mandarin Chinese and perhaps a bit of Russian or even Korean as that appears to be the upcoming language of The New World Order. Have Mee used 'YOU' or YOUR at least 17 times now?? Mee not use Eye this time!!! JUST FIND SOMETHING YOU LOVE THAT ISN'T ILLEGAL AND DO IT, DEGREE OR NOT. 10-4, Over.....

author: shivajikobardan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2025, 08:23:58 am
content: I know I should not be replying to an old thread. But I just want to thank you all for taking me positively throughout my journey of struggles with mental health. I got a job, got paid, started taking psychotherapies. It healed a lot of wounds. Obviously it cannot get me the time I have lost but it helps me be peace at it and further not waste time. I am a diligent, hardworking person who was "idk what to say word" by countless thoughts and hesitations. I am going through my old posts. And I think eevblog forum treated me very well. They did not assume anything about me. I urge everyone who is feeling bad to take therapies, counselling etc. It just changes your life. Also basic stuffs like exercises, meditation etc are also helpful but first heal from the root.I was going over my entire post history in this forum. LOL. And it is embarrassing to myself now.Getting a job was also helpful for me to build my confidence. So I would want to thank the person who facilitated job for me. (I obviously did not get solely on merit). I have quitted the job and been preparing for the next round of my life. The personality does not go away....however.I realized that it does not matter in Nepal how skilled, talented you are...because 99 out of 100 times you are not going to be selected on merit. I heard it is similar worldwide where networking is more important for jobs than "making notes/understanding course contents". And I think what is required for jobs can be very smoothly and quickly learnt in the job itself.I am still working on my anxiety of anticipation. i.e. When talking to people, I anticipate too much "What will they reply" "what will they ask". Specially now since I have quitted job and been preparing for some other exams. I have not told anyone except parents and near relatives about it. So I feel hesitated to meet my relatives, neighbours and anticipate a lot of thoughts(I cannot lie at all. I am bad at it)..I think I will raise this in my second phase of therapy. Therapy for interpersonal skills.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2025, 08:47:55 am
content: I would advise you not to focus on electronics and programming abroad as your main path. Both fields have been experiencing stagnation. And your country at first glance looks pretty good in terms of prospects and what awaits us...

author: shivajikobardan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2025, 08:58:03 am
content: Hmm where did I mention about wanting abroad? I am not interested abroad in this economy and sentiment(anti immigration). It is rising worldwide. I can live in my country where I was born even if I am dumb like a cow. But that is not how it works in immigration. Countries like australia are doing what i call "absolutely mercenary". At least USA says "I see your potential, come do MS / PhD here then settle". It looks diplomatic and sounds fair (although it is not). But australia and the others are saying "Get experience of work in your country. In the field of demand in australia. Then we may try you here". It is absolutely ruthless. And I do not believe it will work in the long term.TBH At least USA was safe a decade ago. But USA is also not untouchable from the increasing anti-imm sentiment. In few years or decades, it will get as bad as in EU.I have seen reports of migrants from Nepal(Might be true for india as well), not receiving their "citizenship(GC? maybe)" after staying for twenty years (LOL). It is like asking to get exploited and threw back. Use and throw type. Cheap labor stuffs.I am planning to enter government

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2025, 09:15:15 am
content: Quote from: shivajikobardan on September 04, 2025, 08:58:03 amIt’s interesting how many people aim to obtain citizenship, as if it’s an automatic benefit. But in reality, it doesn’t always bring the advantages they expect. Once you become a citizen, the state gains far more control over you, and in most cases, this will be used against your interests - you are obliged to serve the system rather than it serving you. So, citizenship is not the freedom people imagine.Quote from: shivajikobardan on September 04, 2025, 08:58:03 amIt’s the same interesting - how many people aim to enter government service, assuming it will bring money and freedom. In reality, it does quite the opposite. Public service can significantly restrict your personal freedom - you are obliged to follow orders from above, even if they conflict with your morals, faith, or conscience. Refusal to comply leads to to very bad consequences for you, and leaving is not always possible. In many cases, it’s a one-way path.If you are being offered a position in government service, it usually means they already have well-thought-out mechanisms in place - mechanisms you likely won’t appreciate - to keep you bound to the role even if you wish to leave.In this context, it’s worth recalling Luke 4:5–7:QuoteSo, you can see who controls all governments and this passage can serve as a reminder to carefully consider what this kind of service truly entails, and what it may cost for you.It’s important to remember that the devil always promises gold, wealth, and everything you desire. He knows how to seduce beautifully, but in the end, he always pays in broken shards. The allure is strong, but the reality rarely matches the promise - what seems valuable often comes at the cost of your freedom, integrity, or well-being.

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2025, 05:40:04 am
content: Quote from: shivajikobardan on February 07, 2022, 10:14:22 amSounds like you still want electronics as your ultimate goal, using programming / web development as transit "then enter into electronics..."In today's market, you have to judge AI's impact to job availability for where you are or where you intend to be. I don't know your area, but here in the USA, AI is hitting entry level candidates for programming (and web development) rather hard. Layoff is happening left and right, new hires for recent college graduate is not encouraging.If indeed you are going into electronics in the long term, and programming (web development) is really just to bridge the gap, may be you should not switch fully into "gap bridging" mode. Perhaps stay with electronics in school part time, and work at an easier job part time.Programming (or web development) is not a job that you can just learn last week and begin doing quality (high value high reward) work this week. Whereas, something like being a waiter, you could learn how to do it in a day, and improve along the way (better restaurant, better pay). Something like waiting on tables may be hectic, but you can leave your job at day's end and literally not spend a single moment thinking about that job all night while you switch focus on your electronics studies. A job like programming, you can leave the office, but that job follows you. You may be out of the office, but the job would still be in your mind -- chewing over how come that block of code still isn't working right or the likes... That load in your mind will make it harder for you to finish your electronics study part time. I am using waiter as an example only. Point is, a lighter brain-load job for gap-bridging that allows you to keep a finger in your electronic courses and keep going with your real goal.Whatever you decide, stick to it and work at it. The difference between having a fantasy verses having an ambition is the willingness to put effort into it.

author: shivajikobardan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2025, 06:00:25 am
content: as a political leader. i mean.

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2025, 05:44:28 pm
content: First of all I am surprised that you can sell your notes for any money at all. Perhaps that would be you calling. Selling is one difficult task. If not you can say sales people do nothing for their money.Second I don't know of any engineer refers to notes he had while in school for his work. Sure one would refer to a lot of documents like books, internet research, documents from equipment manufacturers etc.. but not notes from school.Third perhaps you're a troll???

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2025, 03:44:46 pm
content: Quote from: shivajikobardan on September 05, 2025, 06:00:25 amIf you are thinking of stepping into politics as a "leader", you should be aware of the nature of that world. Those who appear in the spotlight are rarely the ones who truly hold power. The real decisions are always made in the shadows, by people whose names are almost never heard.The so-called "leaders" you see are, in reality, usually pitiable and misguided individuals - merely playing the part of actors in a poor theater. And in that theater, any attempt to step off the stage is punished harshly and painfully. In their situation, they might wish for death, but those who control them have carefully arranged circumstances to prevent it.In most cases, these figures are people with troubled pasts - addicts, frauds, criminals, degenerates, or otherwise compromised individuals - on whom evidence has been gathered. They are then offered what seems like a "good position", but in truth it is a role designed to make them carry out the dirty and bloody work of the real powers operating in the shadows. They are dressed up, taught how to speak eloquently, and presented as "leaders", yet their fate is grim. Refusal is not an option, as both they and their families would face severe consequences. Over time, many come to realize that the path they were forced into leads to an even darker destiny - but by then, there is almost no way back. That is how politics operates.So, if you have ever been involved in serious wrongdoings, the offer to enter politics may not be a coincidence—you might sense why such a path is presented to you. It could mean that darker forces have recognized the potential to corrupt your soul and bring you under their control as a servant. The role prepared for you is that of a scapegoat: a public actor tasked with carrying out the "dirty/bloody work" and left to bear the consequences.That is why, if you have an interest in electronics, programming, or any other constructive pursuit, my advice is to dedicate yourself to that and stay away from politics and governments - for the sake of your soul.

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2025, 04:08:13 pm
content: He could sell his notes for money he is a better politician than engineer.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2025, 04:40:42 pm
content: Thinking back to university, I remember that deciphering someone else’s notes is not always easy—far from everyone has legible handwriting, and many even use their own forms of shorthand. Sometimes, opening a classmate’s note looks like staring at an alien language!So it’s actually surprising there were any buyers at all.

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2025, 07:21:53 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 07, 2025, 04:40:42 pmSo it proved that he is an excellent sales person and he can sell to the voters.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2025, 09:46:58 pm
content: Quote from: BeBuLamar on September 05, 2025, 05:44:28 pmQuote from: BeBuLamar on September 07, 2025, 07:21:53 pmThen you missed the first three words in this thread:“didn't make notes.”Right there in front of your eyes lies a market opportunity. No genius mind is needed to seize that chance, neither an excellent salesman is required to supply where there is demand. Shivajikobardan seized a chance. Came out to be a dud too, in his own retrospection.All that it “proves,” with a strong emphasis on quotation marks, is that OP would be a good gambler. Together with the likely outcome it entails.Quote from: shivajikobardan on September 04, 2025, 08:23:58 amThanks for coming back and sharing, and I’m happy you feel better too.Don’t worry about your worrying how people see you. It’s normal and common. You don’t see it in the public, because humans keep pretenses. Most are simply too worried about how will people perceive them, to share how worried they’re about how others perceive them. Not rarely to the point a person denies it to oneself.Above,Rick Law wrote“The difference between having a fantasy verses having an ambition is the willingness to put effort into it.”I’m going to rephrase it and reuse of a different purpose here:The difference between having a fantasy and having an ambition is accepting the reality.Fantasy is living in a fairytale, following unrealistic expectations. Ambition is accepting how things are and striving to go beyond that. The world may look depressive and bleak. But don’t see it this as something negative. On contrary. Every beautiful palace out there has been built on boring, dirty soil, out of filthy materials that craftsmen turned into a masterpiece. Whereas so far nobody built anything on a rainbow.Realization the world is shit is not a defeat. It’s the necessary starting point.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 03:52:48 am
content: Quote from: shivajikobardan on September 04, 2025, 08:58:03 amAustralia literally has over 1 million foreign students in Australia.https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/unis-rake-in-record-foreign-student-revenues-ahead-of-crackdown-20250529-p5m39uWhat is wrong with a country having rules regarding who we let in and for what reason and in what numbers?If I want to go an study and work and live in Nepal, do you not have any rules?EDIT: I asked Grok:QuoteThat's seems stricter than Australia.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 06:06:53 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2025, 03:52:48 amSure, countries have rules and borders, but let’s be honest — those are nothing more than man-made cages. Treating people like livestock, deciding who can move where, is basically saying humans are cattle owned by states. Borders are just fences, and governments act like slave-masters making sure "their herd" doesn’t mix with property of another slave-masters. People are not property, and restricting free movement is nothing but a modern form of slavery disguised as law and order.And there is nothing normal about this — it’s horrifying that people are treated like cattle or slaves owned by someone. Even worse is when the slaves themselves defend their condition just because their master gives them slightly better conditions than the neighbor’s.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 06:11:39 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 09, 2025, 06:06:53 amOk, give me your address and I'll publish it and invite everyone to pitch a tent on your front lawn.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 07:51:50 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2025, 06:11:39 amI think you can already see where I am, and I doubt anyone would actually want to come here and pitch a tent...In any case, if you want to come and pitch a tent near my house, I don’t see anything wrong with that — it wouldn’t bother me at all. I will even try to help you in any way I can. I would even invite you over in the evening for tea and a chat.I understand your frustration with poorly educated or disruptive people who come just to collect subsidies from government and then doing crime. But the real issue isn’t that they are allowed to come — it’s that the state takes your money to pay them, which naturally attracts such people. And the reasons behind these policies are far from foolish: they create conditions which allows the state to limit rights, turning people into essentially powerless “cattle” under the pretext of luring in alcoholics or drug users, and then using them as a scarecrow to justify further restrictions on human freedom. You have probably never considered this, but notice that states create easier conditions for the relocation of uneducated and disruptive people, while making it difficult and creating obstacles for those who are educated and skilled, who can work without relying on subsidies. This is far from accidental. Such people, often simply criminals, are highly useful to the state, as their presence provides justification for restrictions, taxes, and other controls. In contrast, educated and self-sufficient individuals are highly inconvenient for the state, as they will not serve as “workers for a handout” and do not generate the criminal tension the state relies on, since they are primarily interested in living peacefully and working quietly. I hope you understand what I mean.After all, any land does not belong to any person or state. It all belongs to God, who gave it to us, not to any government or politician claiming the right to control the lives of others, deciding who should be killed, who should be sent into slavery, and ultimately who may go where and who may not.Therefore, I see nothing wrong with people being free to go wherever they want. But when people are offered a life of servitude, forced to work and pay just to be allowed to live and work peacefully, simply because they were born in the “wrong” place, that is something I find deeply wrong.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 07:59:52 am
content: Understanding is considerably more important than taking notes.And sometimes taking notes detracts from your ability to understand something at the time it is being taught. Better to give the lecture your full attention and ask questions to get a good understanding of it.Also with AI being a thing now, getting good notes on any subject is a lot easier than it was.Not saying AI notes are prefect, they obviously are not. But if you used to understand something AI is excellent to refresh your memory and AI is only going to get better.I don't think taking notes is all that important in school/uni any more.It is however an important skill to organize day to day tasks and makes sure you don't forget stuff and have to waste time trying to figure it out again every time you need it. So while its less important for school/uni it is still an important skill to have. But it's mostly common sense and writing down things you need to remember later.

author: shivajikobardan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 08:55:31 am
content: Nepal is just purely burning, pure anarchy right now all amidst the social media ban(call it internet ban instead). Nepal army asks PM to resign. 20 killed, 100s of injured.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 09:32:59 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 09, 2025, 06:06:53 amCountries in the west never had to build walls to keep the people in.Quote from: radiolistener on September 09, 2025, 07:51:50 amYou are debating ancient laws and rights that existed for a thousand years, and that 95% of the people acknowledge and follow. Only a tiny minority of people brainwashed think that the world without it would work. It wouldn't. If a country takes down it's borders, and keeps democracy, it's just a few years before it becomes a dictatorship because of all the bad actors.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 09:49:36 am
content: Quote from: shivajikobardan on September 09, 2025, 08:55:31 amIf you didn't know, social media bans (or internet bans) happen all around the world. Those orchestrating such kind of demonstrations are usually individuals controlled by the state’s own intelligence services. They are simply professional provocateurs. The goal is simple — to impose martial law in order to gain unlimited power. Therefore, do not trust what they are shouting and what the mass media shows you. Just stay away from such events if you don’t want to become a victim for yet another bloody TV-show.

author: shivajikobardan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 09:53:48 am
content: probably sponsored by interneational agencies? coz oli just resigned (current pm), i do not trust this scale of movement can be organically be achieved. Definitely sponsored by some agencies internationally.It could be any of india, china, EU and the west

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 10:12:19 am
content: Quote from: tszaboo on September 09, 2025, 09:32:59 amAre you serious? Slavery in the United States was abolished relatively recently. And what about the Native American reservations?If we look at Europe, even in relatively independent and prosperous Switzerland, men were forcibly conscripted and sold as slaves to fight in foreign wars.Or do you consider what happened in Germany from 1933 onwards not an example of “building walls to keep people in” because the victims were not regarded as humans due to their nationality?Have you ever wondered why the word “slave” is used in Western languages? It originates from the historical fact that many Slavic people were captured and forced into servitude during the Middle Ages, which is reflected in the very etymology of the word.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 10:13:56 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 09, 2025, 07:51:50 amUh oh, here ends any rational discussion.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 10:19:02 am
content: slavery never ended,it was just rebranded as freedom with the workers paying for there accommodation and food instead of the bosses,you still need to be on the job first thing monday to get earn youre keep.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 10:25:12 am
content: Quote from: SteveThackery on September 09, 2025, 10:13:56 amYeah, I'm out.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 10:33:28 am
content: Quote from: SteveThackery on September 09, 2025, 10:13:56 amWhether you agree with it or not, the idea that land ultimately does not “belong” to any state or person has deep historical, cultural, and even legal roots.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 11:31:45 am
content: Quote from: themadhippy on September 09, 2025, 10:19:02 amYou are absolutely right. However, the form of slavery that is being imposed today is far darker than what was established in Germany from 1933 onwards. It is no longer merely a matter of creating a system of debt that forces a person to work for someone else instead of themselves. This is about the complete abolition of human rights and the reduction of people to the level of animals who belong to someone as if they were objects.It is hard to imagine the depth of psychological corruption required to hate one’s own kind so intensely, to relentlessly drive everyone into slavery, and to commit bloody atrocities. Even animals do not behave this way.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 12:32:24 pm
content: Web Development. That market has been eaten from the bottom up by blog platforms and self-service turnkey website hosts like SquareSpace.To find any "salary" sized chunk of what is left you will need to do more "full stack" dev, creating database backed or AI backed web applications for companies. Which requires you can sell to bigger companies who need and will pay the premium for a bespoke web app.There is more money today in "App" dev. Instead of a web design, it's app design.A degree or "under grad" University education often doesn't lock you into one career path or profession. Especially at "under grad" level it's more intended to prove you CAN study a disipline to the N-th degree, that is where the "degree" bit comes from IIRC.So a degree in any Engineering, or STEM topic is fairly easy to migrate between other STEM professions. In software we take everything from, computing, it, maths, engineering, medical, biomed, and on and on. Most entry level IT jobs these days don't even require a degree.I would suggest picking one thing and sticking to it through your early education. Once you have a solid degree level qualification it will empower you to get creative with what you actually do with it. The particular skills can be migrated easily enough.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 12:40:09 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 09, 2025, 10:12:19 amI'm aware of the origin of the word. I'm also aware that the word was given by people from the middle east, and not western people.Doesn't change the fact that nobody in the West today was born into slavery. Nobody you or I know ever was. And the west voluntarily changed to the better. If you bring up history, and you don't recognize this, then keep learning.I encourage the mods to keep you on this forum, you might have a really bad day due to events in your country. I think everyone can have a bad day. But you should also just realize that, and take a day off, touch grass. Stay safe in the meantime.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 01:52:24 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on September 09, 2025, 12:40:09 pmYou are right - no one is born a slave, neither in the West nor anywhere else on the Earth (or even other planets). A human is inherently born free, it is only circumstances and other people that can force them into slavery or servitude after birth.Frankly, I don’t understand when you say that slavery does not exist today on West. Are you trying to boast that it occurs less frequently in Western countries compared to East countries? Or do you genuinely believe that this phenomenon does not exist in the West at all?It is difficult for me to understand how one could fail to notice this, though I can see why someone living in a country with no war might think so. People often do not want to see what is happening right around them because it is uncomfortable to acknowledge that such phenomena exist, and some simply hide their heads in the sand, insisting that it does not occur.You are mistaken if you think this could never happen to you because you are somehow special or because you live in the West. Today, millions of people fall into slavery, including in the West and elsewhere, and you are fortunate if it has not affected you so far.The fact that this has not happened to you so far is no achievement of your own. Circumstances, luck, and the conditions into which one is born play far greater roles than personal merit. Many people, through no fault of their own, find themselves trapped in slavery, while others remain free simply by chance. Recognizing this helps a deeper understanding of the precariousness of freedom and reinforces the need to oppose and prevent such injustices.Unfortunately, even today, international law allows for the legal existence of slavery under certain conditions, stipulating that if it occurs during war or a state of emergency, it is not formally classified as slavery, even when it is clearly such in practice.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 01:59:59 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 09, 2025, 01:52:24 pmUntil they meet a certain woman.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 02:09:29 pm
content: Quote from: paulca on September 09, 2025, 01:59:59 pmThat can happen, of course, when relationships between a man and a woman reach extreme levels - but that is more a case of voluntary servitude. Circumstances can vary, but if a man is not being forced to stay and can leave freely, it is no longer slavery.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 03:45:30 pm
content: mod: Actually, I don't want to be part of this discussion either.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2025, 06:35:30 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 09, 2025, 10:33:28 amI meant the mention of God. As soon as someone says "God did it", or "God gave it to us", that's the end of rational discussion.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 02:25:21 am
content: Quote from: SteveThackery on September 09, 2025, 06:35:30 pmIt’s not entirely clear — does this mean you agree, or do you have another explanation for the existence of the world?I’m also curious: would you consider Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle irrational as well, even though it is experimentally confirmed, and do you therefore see quantum physics as the end of rational science?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 02:34:21 am
content: Quote from: tszaboo on September 09, 2025, 03:45:30 pm

author: kite31
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 02:42:27 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 10, 2025, 02:25:21 amYou are asking questions when rational discussion has already ended. There is no point here. This is not an EEVblog topic.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 04:28:14 am
content: Quote from: kite31 on September 10, 2025, 02:42:27 amStating that "rational discussion has ended" is not an rational argument but a personal opinion with no rational justification. In effect, the discussion is declared "irrational" without any logical justification — using an irrational method to label something as irrational.As I see the chain looks like this:– first, it’s concluded, without any logical justification, that mentioning God automatically equals the end of rationality, which is itself an irrational assumption;– then this conclusion is used to dismiss any further arguments, even if they are based on rational basis like historical, cultural, or legal facts—that is, rejecting any rational discussion of the topic using an irrational argument;– finally, the discussion itself is deemed “pointless,” completely shutting down dialogue.This approach resembles a bias where any mention of God is automatically treated as unacceptable, regardless of the actual content or strength of the argument.I can understand if your religious beliefs discourage discussions that mention God, and that you may feel cautious about addressing such topics. However, this approach is not rational, and it seems inconsistent to label my arguments as irrational while relying on an irrational method to do so. Isn't it?From my perspective, the attempt to label this discussion as “irrational” seems more like a form of manipulation. The question of whether land belongs to any individual or state can be addressed not only from a religious standpoint, but also through philosophical and legal frameworks using entirely rational reasoning. By branding the discussion as irrational, it appears to me that the real intention is to assert that land does belong to someone, while simultaneously avoiding any justification or evidence for that claim - likely because no such rational arguments exist.If you look closely at laws regarding land ownership, they do not necessarily imply actual ownership. As far as I know, the wording is often crafted to give the appearance of ownership, while in reality it mainly establishes a conditional arrangement: one party receives profit or rent from another for using the land. This does not mean that the recipient truly owns the land. In other words, it can be seen as a cleverly structured legal arrangement that benefits one party, rather than genuine ownership.At least in my country, no law actually states that land can belong to any individual. On the contrary, there are laws that assert the opposite. However, there exist legal mechanisms and technicalities that are commonly treated as constituting land ownership. Their legality is, in fact, rather tenuous, relying mostly on established convention rather than clear legal backing, and could, if challenged, be legitimately overturned.Moreover, whether you like it or not, the constitution of my country explicitly states that it is drafted with an awareness of responsibility before God. This, however, does not make it irrational.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 04:55:25 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 10, 2025, 04:28:14 amNo one here is obligated to discuss with you about your pet interest.

author: kite31
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 05:04:09 am
content: radiolistener, I am happy for you to hold your beliefs so long as that does not impinge on me or our civil society. I hope they serve you well, and I do not seek to argue them with you, most especially on this forum.I will merely state neutrally my own long standing and well tested position, not a religious one, which I trust explains the impasse: There are no good arguments for gods.I now desist from any posts which might be considered related. I prefer to remain a good citizen of this forum.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 05:23:45 am
content: Quote from: kite31 on September 10, 2025, 05:04:09 amYou state that you have no compelling arguments for God. However, it’s important to note that you also have no definitive arguments against God. This in itself does not make the discussion irrational.From a physics perspective, we are accustomed to considering phenomena within the bounds of time and specific points in space. This is a limited viewpoint — for example, a photon does not fit neatly into this framework, as time does not exist for it in its own frame of reference, and it cannot be said to occupy a particular point in space-time. Yet, mentioning photons does not render a discussion irrational, even if its nature cannot be fully grasped using conventional logic.I hope this clarifies the point I am trying to make: the absence of arguments “for” or “against” something does not automatically terminate rational discussion.

author: abeyer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 05:59:07 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 10, 2025, 05:23:45 amNo. But the absence of the possibility of making such an argument does.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 06:03:57 am
content: Quote from: abeyer on September 10, 2025, 05:59:07 amI see your point, but I would distinguish between the absence of the possibility of making an argument and the limitations of our current understanding or methods. Just because we cannot formulate a convincing argument within a given framework does not mean that rational discussion is automatically terminated — it may indicate that our perspective or tools are limited, not that the topic itself is inherently irrational.For example, consider a child who has not yet learned arithmetic. If you tell him that 2 + 2 = 4, he faces a choice. One option is to claim that this ends any rational discussion, simply because he does not have the means to respond — effectively refusing to engage. The other option is to acknowledge his lack of knowledge and attempt to solve the problem in a practical way, for instance by putting two apples in a basket, then adding two more, and counting the total. In the second scenario, he demonstrates awareness of his limitations but still engages rationally to find a solution. In the first scenario, he dismisses the problem as irrational without attempting to address it. Clearly, the second approach reflects greater wisdom and a more rational attitude. Isn't it?In fact, we often behave much like the first child: accepting or rejecting certain viewpoints or responses automatically, without questioning the reasons behind them. Too often, we internalize opinions simply because they are imposed by our surroundings or widely accepted by others. These inherited assumptions are frequently flawed, yet we rarely pause to examine them critically, letting them guide our judgments unquestioned. True rational engagement requires recognizing these automatic responses and consciously evaluating them rather than accepting or rejecting them by default.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 06:35:27 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 10, 2025, 05:23:45 amThere are few hot topics that we don't allow discussion of on this forum, one of them is religion. Please take that to another forum.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 06:56:07 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2025, 06:35:27 amI apologize if it gave the impression that this discussion is about religion. That is not my intention at all. My focus is on the nature of rational discussion itself.The original question was not about God, but rather about the legitimacy of considering land as someone’s personal property and using that notion to justify discriminatory policies based on place of birth, nationality, or other factors.I believe that all people are born free, and no one has the right to impose restrictions on others for their own benefit. Such actions are fundamentally wrong in every sense and inevitably lead to increased tension and societal problems.

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 08:20:24 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 10, 2025, 06:56:07 amI believe in the social contract. Despite the restrictions imposed by some social contracts, it’s better than the alternative of anarchy.

author: kite31
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 08:37:22 am
content: What can a neonate do with this freedom they are said to have?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 08:40:03 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 10, 2025, 06:56:07 amI don't care, that's off-topic politics, please take it to another forum.

author: paulca
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 08:41:25 am
content: Quote from: Andy Chee on September 10, 2025, 08:20:24 amTwo square meals. That's how far we are from anarchy.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 08:58:11 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 10, 2025, 06:56:07 amMillennia of experience shows that societies require rules in order to work successfully. If you want to live in a society and enjoy its benefits, then you must observe those rules.Having said that, I agree that the concept of land ownership is odd. It's better to think of it as owning therightsto the land, rather than owning the actual land itself. And it is unfair that - by accident of birth and none of your doing - you can be born into wealth or poverty.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 12:13:32 pm
content: Quote from: SteveThackery on September 10, 2025, 08:58:11 amI’m not willing to participate in either of the topics. In particular since I already have pretty bad experience with one of the participants (from when they are discussing anything security-related), but not only because of that.However, addressing this single line quoted above: the situation is already the one you want it to be. Land ownershipishaving rights to the land.Usually I’d have to bring the legal aspects of this term into discussion, but this is not necessary here.(1)No. The concept itself, in the common sense of the word, is already synonymous with having rights. Makes me wonder: where do you see the difference?(1)In most talks the distinction between “to possess” and various kinds of “to own” either is relevant or has to be avoided. It doesn’t seem to be the case above.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 12:59:01 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on September 10, 2025, 12:13:32 pmYou are right that in everyday language “to own,” “to have rights,” and sometimes even “to possess” are often treated as synonyms. However, in a legal sense there are important and strong distinctions. To possess something is not the same as to own it. For example, a person may possess a piece of land (use it, live on it, even fence it), but if there is no legal title, he does not hold ownership rights. Conversely, a landowner who has rented out the property no longer possesses it physically, but still holds the ownership rights.At the same time, to have rights over something is also not identical to ownership. A tenant has rights to use the land, but he is not the owner.That said, when it comes to land specifically, there is another nuance. A true owner of something, by definition, does not have to pay anyone for it, justify his use of it, or ask for permission. Ownership means full and unconditional control. Yet what is usually called “land ownership” in practice does not meet this standard: so-called landowners still have to pay taxes, follow restrictions, and even accept that the state may reclaim the land under certain conditions. In that sense, what is labeled “ownership” of land functions much more like a conditional right of use or a long-term lease than like genuine ownership.For this reason, laws typically avoid the term “owner” in the strict sense. Instead, they usually use the concept of “ownership rights”, which emphasizes that a person is not the absolute owner of the land but rather holds a legally defined right to use it.Moreover, holding one type of legal right does not automatically confer other rights. In many cases, a person may have ownership rights over a property but lack the legal or practical authority to use it freely. For instance, the land may be subject to easements, leases, zoning restrictions, or other limitations imposed by law. This distinction underscores that ownership and usage are legally separate, and being recognized as a landowner does not necessarily grant unrestricted control or enjoyment of the land.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 03:45:36 pm
content: The question was addressed to SteveThackery and referenced the particular thing he said. There is no need to educate anybody on the legal aspect of the term either. My post made it pretty clear, didn’t it?

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 05:03:04 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on September 10, 2025, 03:45:36 pmI find your rudeness and aggressive personal attacks unwarranted and unnecessary. If you feel offended, you can consider that my explanations were never directed at you personally. I don’t see the need to educate anyone — you said you didn’t see the difference in terms, and I simply explained what the difference is. If you disagree, you are welcome to present your own arguments. That is how discussion works. Nothing personal.If your question was intended solely for SteveThackery rather than for public discussion, it is even less clear why you posted it in the public thread instead of sending a private message.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2025, 09:54:27 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on September 10, 2025, 03:45:36 pm@golden_labels: very happy to take on board your response. @radiolistener was talking a lot about the injustice of land ownership, so I just wanted to throw in the point about rights. He has obviously been googling the subject since then, hence his latest essay.Personally I have no interest in continuing any further: @radiolistener has indulged in more than enough off-topic politics, with a sprinkling of religion thrown in. I'm out now, until we return to the thread topic.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2025, 06:36:40 am
content: Quote from: SteveThackery on September 10, 2025, 09:54:27 pmIf you still haven’t realized it, what you refer to as my “essay” was precisely what I meant when I originally wrote that land is given to us by God. I understand that many people who are not interested in the essence of things tend to think superficially, and for them, any mention of God automatically signals foolishness in the speaker. I think that is often a defensive reaction against sects or groups that try to dictate what and how one must believe.However, my initial statement had nothing to do with religious dogma. It was based on a pure rational and logical reasoning about the nature of land and ownership. What I find strange is that you immediately chose to mock that phrase, even though from your later remark about rights it was clear to me that you actually do understand the deep essence of what I was actually pointing out in the original phrase.In fact, this issue goes far beyond legal nuances, as it is much deeper and more serious than many here might have assumed. That said, I won’t go further into it, especially since Dave has made it clear that complex philosophical and legal debates are not appropriate for this forum, and this section is clearly not the place for them. Therefore, I suggest we bring this discussion to a close here. If anyone wishes to continue on the topic, it would be more suitable to open a thread in another section or to discuss it privately.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2025, 09:51:45 am
content: Thank goodness for that.But you should apologise to Dave. He did not object to "complex philosophical and legal debates", he objected topoliticaldebates. It is very rude to put words in someone's mouth.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2025, 01:58:51 pm
content: Quote from: SteveThackery on September 11, 2025, 09:51:45 amIt feels unfair and unnecessarily rude when someone starts personal attacks by deliberately distorting the meaning of my words to portray me negatively. As I believe, in a normal discussion, there is no place for switching from the topic of conversation to personal attacks. That clearly crosses a line, doesn't it?Constant shifts to personal attacks like this in a discussion are typically characteristic of coordinated and deliberate attempts to provoke a participant, where a group of trolls targets a single participant, fully aware that their actions are inappropriate. They usually skillfully attempt to provoke the participant by shifting the discussion to personal matters, deliberately distorting his words. And it seems to me that this is exactly what I am observing. I'm right?To clarify, I did not intend to misrepresent Dave’s words. Yes, he explicitly referred to “politics”, but from the context it was clear that he was addressing broader philosophical and legal discussions, since his comment responded to a post about philosophical and legal questions. My intention was not to misquote Dave, but to summarize that he considered the discussion of such questions outside the scope of this forum.That said, in my culture, philosophy and legal theory are not considered “politics” so considering them as politics seems somewhat unusual from my perspective. However, as I understand, there may be a cultural difference, so in other countries philosophical and legal questions may be classified as politics, and I see no problem with that, since context clarifies the intent. From the context, I see that Dave’s objection concerned philosophical and legal matters. Please correct me if I misinterpret the context.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2025, 07:53:29 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 11, 2025, 01:58:51 pmOh, damn, I thought you had finished. Sorry, my fault - I shouldn't have prodded you.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2025, 04:10:40 am
content: (my imagination). Based on your narration, I'd picture yourself, sitting with both hands holding head up, endlessly drawing circles on some note-pad....bored as hell..."What time is it...?". BUT, no notes, so no paper tablet. OK, then; Did you, actually, listen to those lectures ?Which was the most interesting (or which was the worst) lecture, on one of those school days.What kind of schedule did you keep ? I wouldn't be surprised if you arrived LATE, after lecture started. Any instructors help you to address these concerns, in private office ? Did you expend the effort, to arrive a couple minutes early, and rested - ready for absorptive listening ?Maybe you had parents / teachers / counselors, that could care less, that a student was failing, and habitually so. What about your other, co-requured courses, like English language (your delivery is, like, poooor).Many schools require taking history courses, etc. along with straight engineering. Physics ? Chemistry ?Study any biographical histories, on some accomplished engineers ?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2025, 04:22:38 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on September 11, 2025, 01:58:51 pmPlease just stop discussing any of this here.

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2025, 02:31:55 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 13, 2025, 04:22:38 amAnd for the purposes of full clarification,when you say "here", do you mean this specific thread or anywhere on this entire forum?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2025, 09:53:59 am
content: Quote from: Andy Chee on September 14, 2025, 02:31:55 amThe entire forum.