Behaviour of trigger settings - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2025, 08:14:54 am
content: Hi,when i work on the trigger settings of a channel, i find myself often switching between trigger types. But then all the settings like trigger level, trigger source, edge kind and more, change.Is this a behaviour that most scopes have? Its quite annoying to work with and to change all the settings back and forth.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2025, 09:09:29 am
content: Quote from: eTobey on January 14, 2025, 08:14:54 amDoes selecting another trigger type open to the same settings as when you last used it ?

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2025, 09:45:37 am
content: Quote from: eTobey on January 14, 2025, 08:14:54 amThe Hantek DSO2000 keeps all settings separately (per trigger type, incl. "source"), except for "mode" (Auto/Normal) and "holdoff" value.The settings are retained after a restart.

author: csuhi17
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2025, 01:25:59 pm
content: Which scope does this?I have not noticed this behavior with Sigpeak, Owon, Zoyi, Fnirsi, Micsig and Rigol scopes.

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 08:36:17 am
content: Quote from: csuhi17 on January 14, 2025, 01:25:59 pmIts a Siglent SDS800X HD.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 10:58:22 am
content: Quote from: csuhi17 on January 14, 2025, 01:25:59 pm@csuhi17: Some of these scopes only have edge triggers afaik.I think eTobey means something else.I have attached 3 examples from the Hantek.I can switch through all of the trigger types (slope, video, pulse...) and they keep their original settings (channel, level, polarity..).So if “Video” is set to Ch2 and “Pulse” to Ch1, then it stays that way when you switch back and forth.I'm not sure if eTobey wants this or the opposite or something completely different.

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 11:29:46 am
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on January 15, 2025, 10:58:22 amLet me explain:I am trying to trigger on a signal (fairly complex ones). First i try edge, then i discover, "na... too much noise", then i switch to pulse to get it working: But then virtually i have to set up every setting of the triggeragain. Then later i see "oh, with "n pulses" -trigger i can easly switch between pulses of that burst", but which again leads to having to set up every setting of that triggeragain.Now i want to trigger on another signal... same storyagain.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 11:51:26 am
content: So you want the settings for one trigger type to change the settings for the other trigger types?I can only say that my scope doesn't work like that.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 12:40:06 pm
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on January 15, 2025, 11:51:26 amNone of them do.Not to mention screaming 6 months ago how he wants for trigger settings to be remembered.Every time he does something else than he complaints how scope now should be different...And again, doing this:Opening separate topic for every single thing he thinks should be different or he does not understand.Posting same thing as a post in 800xHD general topic.Posting same thing as a post in 800xHD bugs topic without it being ever confirmed as a bug.Insisting every complaint of his is bug, unless it was proven it was not, but not providing any details to reproduce the problem. Making it impossible to actually prove anything, positive or negative.Being rude to anybody that says differently. Even when he is wrong.When multiple people prove he was wrong, never ever acknowledge it and apologizing for wasting everybody's time.Ad nauseam..

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 01:49:54 pm
content: Quote from: eTobey on January 14, 2025, 08:14:54 amTrillion € scopes support saving and recalling settings. But I seems this low cost machine can do that too. The elephant in the room can be found on page 218 Save/Recall.From the manual:The SDS800X HD supports saving setups, reference waveforms, screenshots, and waveform data files to internal storage, external USB storage devices (e.g. U disk), or SMB File Share. Saved setups and reference waveforms can be recalled as needed. For details of SMB File Share, refer to the section “SMB File Share”.Feel free to post any follow up questions. But I might not respond for a while as I'm out petting dogs and waving at monkeys.

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 03:52:10 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on January 15, 2025, 12:40:06 pmCan you give anrecentexample for your claims about me?Are you also still saying i didnt find a bug?Maybe you should get over it and update your perception? I hope that doesnt sound to rude... actually i dont, since you dont even try...BTW:You and others failed in reading and comprehending my posts, but instead interpret things the way your perception was about me, which became a circular behaviour in itself...

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 03:54:16 pm
content: Quote from: temperance on January 15, 2025, 01:49:54 pmYes it can do save the setup, but its GUI is rather inefficient. Also the save button interferes and messes it all up!But i might just program a feature for it.

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 04:28:56 pm
content: A recent example:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/expected-quite-some-noise-but-found-nearly-none/msg5783297/#msg5783297People take time to reply. ok, some didn't read what you wrote. That happens often and I'm not guilt free either. Some have asked you valid questions. But you don't bother to write a descent reply to answer those questions. Instead you post more information from which we can deduce nothing and piss on people who didn't read what you wrote.To me and probably others you are abusing this forum to vent your frustrations and politeness doesn't exists in your dictionary.

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 05:20:32 pm
content: Quote from: temperance on January 15, 2025, 04:28:56 pmIs it rude, to say, that i did not ask you for an example?People taking time to replay without reading or understanding my post i consider annoying. Escpecially those, that then create a wrong perception about me, andput words in my mouth!Unfortunately this happens too often for my likings, and i dont have that much patience...What answer exactly needed to be more decent? How would you define decent?I also have posted questions that were never answered.It also seems , that people just cant deal with specific questions in general, or questions, that are a response of a question...An example of the communication with you:Someone else wrote i had a bad breadboard setup.BUT i had no breadboard there! Then you say i was not clear enough? Next time someone will tell me to turn my LEDs lights off, when i dont have such?? How stupid is this?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 05:27:04 pm
content: Quote from: eTobey on January 15, 2025, 03:52:10 pmFact that by now dozens of people started saying exactly what I have been saying for some time now to you is a sign that :- all of us are wrong- all of us are stupid and don't understand- all of us are somehow cooperating against you in some worldwide conspiracy.- problem is always with us.- you see no problems on your side.- you know better that all of us combined.- you say one thing and then get mad if someone responds..- you say one thing and then get mad if no one responds..etc etc..You are really some piece of work...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 05:28:05 pm
content: Quote from: eTobey on January 15, 2025, 05:20:32 pmYou literally DID ask for an example...

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 05:32:16 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on January 15, 2025, 05:27:04 pm“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”Also, some things may have been true, but you (and others) are blind to see that things have changed.

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 05:34:37 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on January 15, 2025, 05:28:05 pmAnd? Are going to give me one (recent) example ofyouraccusations??I guess not, like you did on other occasions either...As i am such a bad person, it should be easy for you to give an (recent) example. But maybe you are the bad person?

author: csuhi17
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 07:38:31 pm
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on January 15, 2025, 10:58:22 amThanks, I understand now.I tried it with my Micsig TO1104 and Rigol DHO924S.I didn't try saving and recalling the settings, but as long as it's not a special trigger, it keeps the settings for me.If I switch to a video trigger, for example, and then back to the previous one, it keeps the settings for the previous one.I didn't play around with it much.

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2025, 09:09:26 pm
content: Quote from: eTobey on January 15, 2025, 05:20:32 pmMaybe I should have let 2N3055 answer the question first. But somehow I just had a very good stand alone example.1. You post a question but some relevant information is missing. Ok, people ask you to clarify some bits and pieces about the DIY current sense loop probe (construction, position in your test setup) because the question was all about the DIY current sense probe. This was never answered and as such we have no idea about what you are trying to do.2. You return to piss on people who didn't read your question properly but fail to add the relevant information and instead add some information which is specific to the oscilloscope being used. (I'm not going to read the manual of your 800 HD. Sorry)3. More people ask you about the missing information. But still you fail to address the most important question.4. You post some explanation from which it can deduced that the problem has been solved. But again, the information given is irrelevant as the requested information has never been shared.I would at least provide the missing information even if the information became irrelevant because the problem has been solved and probably apologize for the misunderstanding because the problem description wasn't very clear.QuoteAre you referring to this post?QuoteThe bold part is the question asked by a few people and relevant to understand what is going on. If according to you this question is irrelevant, it is up to you to realize that the question you posted isn't clear enough because more people have asked the same question. What might be clear for you might look as clear as mud to others. The nature of a forum is that there is no means to quickly adapt the way you try to explain concepts, ideas,... when the other part has difficulty understanding what you are trying to communicate like you would do in real life when talking to people face to face.

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2025, 11:40:48 am
content: Quote from: temperance on January 15, 2025, 09:09:26 pmThank you, that is actually a good answer, that i can use to selfreflect.It might take a bit of time to adapt, i guess though.