80% off your next heating bill ... - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: TomS_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2019, 10:09:16 am
content: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/koleda/solus-the-most-efficient-radiator-in-the-worldLooks like another industrial design project with outrageous claims again.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2019, 10:33:35 am
content: SOLUS will save you approximately 80% off the cost of your heating (compared with conventional water based radiators) and over 95% off the cost of your heating (if you heat your home with other electric radiators).100% scam.

author: timgiles
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2019, 11:51:19 am
content: So he is trying to say that the efficiency of normal electric heaters decreases by 80% over a long lifetime (shall we say 20 years) due to oxidisation. He admits in a recent update that new radiators are about 100% efficient as their radiator is. Total scam, complete rubbish. If you want an electric radiator that wont suffer from oxidisation just buy a oil filled radiator.... Does not need graphene or any other millennial super hero material to give the same benefit.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2019, 12:04:16 pm
content: Are these the same guys that "invented" FONTUS?BS levels seem comparable and maybe they moved from Austria to Switzerland xD

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2019, 07:59:21 pm
content: Quote from: timgiles on February 24, 2019, 11:51:19 amAh, right. As electrical heaters degrade, the lose efficency. And hence they convert part of the incoming electrical energy into unwanted... umm..heat?!

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2019, 12:35:50 pm
content: Quote from: frozenfrogz on February 24, 2019, 12:04:16 pmIt's not cheap, but I'm sure the government will buy it

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2019, 12:48:12 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on February 24, 2019, 07:59:21 pmI think he means the constant voltage source that is your outlet puts less energy into a larger impedance so its not drawing as much power as it ages. Assuming of course the thermostat broke too.I think it looks cool though, and I wonder if their cermet has a longer life then metallic heating elements, and if any of the stuff about dust particles is true. I think he is confused between electric field attracting dust and magnetic field?Wtf is a 60hz magnetic field going to attract?Is it safe? The red hot heating coils typically offer a naturally menacing appearance. Do you want a black piece of slate on the wall @ 100C+?What if it malfunctions and goes lower impedance, where is the cage?? They set it up like a flat screen TV. Some one (kid) is going to run into that and turn into apaniniwhen a hot piece of ceramic falls on him. This is a really BAD IDEA.I feel menaced having this in the home.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 25, 2019, 01:24:53 pm
content: Any radiator is 100% efficient unless it transmits energy as radio waves or light that goes out through the window.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2019, 01:37:30 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on February 25, 2019, 01:24:53 pmif you read what the author is saying, he says convectional heaters do. significantly. lol

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 25, 2019, 01:50:48 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on February 25, 2019, 01:37:30 pmYou first need to find anyQuotehe compares with....Or maybe he means those which are not operated by electricity but literally hot water?

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2019, 02:00:34 pm
content: Quote from: StillTrying on February 24, 2019, 10:33:35 am120% at least.And with an increasing cost of power (we're around 30ct/kWh) electric heating becomes less economical. It makes more sense to add solar collectors or other green sources to the central heating. BTW, all types of radiators work the same and the heat transfer is based on the difference of temperatures and the surface area. Most of the heat is transferred via convection and only a small portion via radiation. A flat SOLUS has much less surface area than a typical radiator with a sandwich of additional folded sheet metal and therefore can't transfer as much heat. Or in EE terms: a large heatsink keeps the transistor cooler than a small one.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2019, 05:05:19 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on February 25, 2019, 01:50:48 pmThe only benefits i see is high surface area, lack of metal offgassing from hot coils and burned dust because it seems like a pure convection apparatus. Without hot spots that dust is sucked into a d torched.The attrotious safety issue aside from it being a mysterious slab of hot ceramic without a safety guard it has no moving parts and it should be more reliable.I am interested in it but the marketing wank is INSANE. And you need tpuch protection on a 100c large area object. Apple cant get around thermal safety.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 25, 2019, 05:43:19 pm
content: Frankly it looks like (nano graphene) cement or tile adhesive is spread and then covered with ceramic sheet. Must be real, LOL. Not to say it's not even spread decently, is is smeared on the bottom left corner. Not allowed to cure before covering as well.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2019, 09:10:36 pm
content: Well, honestly, you need less heating when you use an IR heater. It provides comfortable feeling at lower temperature. You know, when you are outside, and its 15 degrees, while the sun is shining it's still comfy.But that is no excuse for the buzzwords, and bullshit.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2019, 10:26:14 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on February 25, 2019, 09:10:36 pmHow much less, surely you don't believe their 95% electricity saving.It's the equivalent of replacing a 1kW radiator with a 50 Watt light bulb, in practice a roomalreadyhas various things radiating/convecting about 50W or more of heat.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2019, 07:36:29 pm
content: Quote from: StillTrying on February 26, 2019, 10:26:14 amI dont think the overall saving is 95%. In fact in some places, where gas is cheap IR could be more expensive.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2019, 03:17:09 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on February 27, 2019, 07:36:29 pmNo, it's higher!SOLUS will save you approximately 80% off the cost of your heating (compared with conventional water based radiators) and over 95% off the cost of your heating (if you heat your home with other electric radiators).Who wants a very slightly warmer face and freezing feet.Just think, most of our monitors and TVs are already one of these radiators.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 28, 2019, 11:41:54 pm
content: Accidentally created a new thread for this, now removed.This is completely dodgy marketing$439K raised!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 28, 2019, 11:48:16 pm
content: Tempered glass front and back surfacesglass has terrible thermal conductance

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 28, 2019, 11:54:28 pm
content: QuoteWTF, bar and oil radiators are 100% efficient in turning electricity into heat.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2019, 11:58:27 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 28, 2019, 11:48:16 pmThere are specialized glasses with very good IR transmissivity e.g.Schott IRG.However, most of the products efficacy is likely due to the amount of hot air it is full of.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 28, 2019, 11:58:51 pm
content: QuoteThe oxidisation creates "magnetic fields of various frequencies"

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2019, 12:00:23 am
content: Quote from: frozenfrogz on February 28, 2019, 11:58:27 pmEither way it's a resistive element wedged between two glass panels, with some magic woo-woo coating, operating at low power (in order to save the 80-95% power!), with no fan to help with convection.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2019, 12:03:36 am
content: QuoteWho gives a crap if you pulse the power, it doesn't make it magically more efficient by having some COP greater than one or anything

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2019, 12:07:25 am
content: The BS is strong in that one.Galvanic currents from oxides? RF emissions from resistance heaters? What's the VSWR?"Grid fluctuations" (= bad PFC) by tempco of resistance heaters?

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2019, 10:06:22 am
content: No blockchain feature? I'm disappointed! It would give them a few million more.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2019, 09:39:00 pm
content: They have test results!It drew 10.6kW over 24 hours.Now I'm not very good at this arithmertics thing, but that's 441W continuous. Very strange considering it's rated input is only 300W...https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/koleda/solus-the-most-efficient-radiator-in-the-world/posts/2430561

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 03:57:34 am
content: So SOLUS offers 100% efficiency? Let’s assume for a moment that it really does. How does that compare to heat pumps, which easily offer 300%, cost the same (per apartment) and some may work as air conditioners during the warm season?

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 02:10:33 pm
content: How can 440W be a saving of >95% on other electric radiators, it would have to be only 50W to 100W."Consumption: approx 300W per hour".LOL

author: malavon
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 02:54:45 pm
content: I created an account on this forum (after having followed Dave on youtube for years), just to let you know what I sent to kickstarter. Feel free to feature it in a video, using my nickname (just don't use my real name or e-mail address, I don't need real-world credit and prefer to keep that stuff private).Reason I'm doing this is because I'm sick of all the scam artists generating massive amounts of revenue on the backs of the weak. I can't believe that authorities don't crack down on this stuff with a vengeance. It's not like it's difficult to gather evidence.I've been thinking about creating a scam-exposing blog/site but sadly scam.watch is already taken. Would have made a great site. Then again, it'd be a full-time job as far as time goes. Anyway, here's what I sent:While this project is obviously a scam for technical reasons (defying the laws of physics), it's even easier to recognize from their supposedly business information.1. I quote: "Here at KOLEDA we have sourced, and have agreements in place, for every single component of SOLUS"There is no company registered called "Koleda" in the Swiss Genevan registryDo a search onhttps://www.ge.ch/recherche-entreprises-registre-du-commerce-geneve(available in English)Also, the creator's other businesses are located in another canton (county?) called Vaud, but no Koleda is registered there either.https://www.rc2.vd.ch/registres/hrcintapp-pub/companySearch.actionSwitzerland with all it's counties is difficult to search and most sites aren't available in English (but it is in French, Italian and German - the official languages).If it's registered in another county, I missed it. Then again, it's still misrepresented on the kickstarter which mentions Geneva.2. The "company" domain koleda.co is registered in ColombiaDo I need to say more? No whois information is supplied either.Edit: just checked and koleda.ch (ch=Switzerland) is available3. I quote: "The average UK home* spends approximately £655/€745/$845** on their heating each year. By backing SOLUS on Kickstarter, you can radically reduce your heating costs by converting your entire home to a SOLUS system. With a SOLUS system the average home heating bills would be reduced around £135/€154/$175, leaving you to enjoy the extra £520/€600/$670 savings each year to spend on things that matter to you the most."I'd say this clearly breaks the prototype misrepresentation rules, unless it's possible to have over 100% heating efficiency (i.e. defy the laws of thermodynamics).4. The product has already been legally identified as a scam, even though it was a different company back thenSeehttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/freeze-put-on-scam-heating-system-company5. The company has only 2 employees on LinkedIn: the creator and one anonymous one living in the UKhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/koleda/people/I wouldn't be surprised that they're actually the same people as the ones behind Xefros, but can't prove that in the 30 minutes it took me to research this.It's a shame that Kickstarter doesn't do the obvious checks when large amounts of money are involved.Disclaimer: take this for what it's worth. I didn't do an in-depth analysis and may have made mistakes. It's just what I came up with in a short timespan.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 05:19:36 pm
content: Quote from: madires on March 01, 2019, 10:06:22 amI think Bitmain already dominated that market for years. And they really are cheaper to operate per BTU output compared to other resistive heaters. If you know where to look on Ebay, you can even find some for reasonable prices.

author: IanMacdonald
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 08:13:08 pm
content: An electric heater is just a resistor. Big deal. Unless it makes noise, light, smoke or drills holes or something, it is by nature 100% efficient.

author: malavon
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 02, 2019, 09:12:18 pm
content: Quote from: IanMacdonald on March 02, 2019, 08:13:08 pmIt is. Yet apparently there are several people who are fine losing their money because of some marketing speak.So even though it just is, it's obvious that many people don't understand this simple fact.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2019, 10:52:25 pm
content: Quote from: IanMacdonald on March 02, 2019, 08:13:08 pmWell a passive quartz element heater (no fan) does emit some orange light, but that's only a tiny percent of the total energy output.

author: larsdenmark
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2019, 09:57:14 am
content: I've reported the project to Kickstarter. Here is the response:Report content:The claims of being 95% more efficient than regular electrical radiators are false. It is scientifically impossible for a radiator to have an efficiency other than 100% since all power in any radiator i..."We’ve investigated and determined that it doesn’t violate our rules or community guidelines."So the conclusion is that Kickstarter do not care. I was thinking that Kickstarter was more careful with their projects and that it was more safe to back projects on this platforms than some of the other crowd funding sites, but not any more.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2019, 11:50:01 am
content: All crowdfunding platforms make their money by keeping a percentage of the backer's money. They don't care unless a project is about something obviously illegal and they might be held responsible.

author: malavon
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 05, 2019, 11:59:45 am
content: Quote from: larsdenmark on March 05, 2019, 09:57:14 amWhen did you send it? I haven't had anything back yet, so there might still be hope.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2019, 02:36:36 pm
content: Quote from: larsdenmark on March 05, 2019, 09:57:14 amAside from not having no direct reasons and very little indirect incentive to take down projects, Kickstarter is bound by agreements with the people behind SOLUS. While the agreement is vague and lets Kickstarter do pretty much anything, they can still get their ass sued by SOLUS team if their project is removed. Not only that: they may get bad publicity, if it happens that their assesment was wrong and they killed a perfectly valid project. I doubt Kickstarter has experts capable of determining if SOLUS is working or not, which makes the case even more complicated.So what is really happening is more along the lines of: a random person petitions a company to do a thing, which:Gains them nothing short-term;Puts them in a considerable¹ risk of negative long-term consequences (financial and image losses);Offers possibility of avoiding small negative long-term consequences;Expects the company to do a thing, which they probably can’t do, because they have no experts.Would you in such a case risk removing the project. Even more: would you, believing now that SOLUS can’t work, offer Kickstarter money and support to deal with losses they may experience after taking it down? Don’t expect Kickstarter to do things you yourself wouldn’t do. I am not an idiot and I expect this to be just another case of being ignored, but even if one goes beyondthe bouncers, the company has good reasons to refuse the request.I guess that at this point there are three things that may work:Sending enough ofnot spammishmessages from different users to create pressure on Kickstarter. They can’t simply ignore that and this may make them reconsider the things listed above.Make many people, who already backed the project, claim that they were misled (ToS §3, 2nd point) by the project.I do not know Austrian law, but using general knowledge about how lawful, democratic republics work, Austrian citizens should also be able to report them to the public prosecution office if they are commiting a crime under Austrian law.But do you really care enough? It’s a whack-a-mole game now. Perhaps a better idea would be to demand Kickstarter to develop ways of dealing with similar cases? This is something a company may be willing to do, especially if the pressure group frames the situation so the company believes they profit from the change.____¹ Look at the case from a neutral perspective of a random person from the population — not a person, who has technical knowledge that can support claims that SOLUS is a scam.

author: Pluscrafter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2019, 12:11:30 am
content: Quote from: malavon on March 02, 2019, 02:54:45 pmThe only company with the name Koleda I found is in the canton of Jura, but this was Holding AG and get liquidised. There is a website of the federal governement of switzerland where you can search for any companys registered in switzerland, but these guys isn't listet there.https://www.zefix.ch/de/search/entity/list?name=Koleda&searchType=default

author: Pluscrafter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2019, 12:14:41 am
content: The coud also found an Illigal company and didn't register it.The Founder seems to be active/was active in two other company that are registered.https://ch.linkedin.com/company/engagead?trk=ppro_cprofhttps://www.zefix.ch/de/search/entity/list/firm/1283377?name=EngageAd%20S%C3%A0rl&searchType=exacthttps://ch.linkedin.com/company/engagelink-sa?trk=ppro_cprofhttps://www.zefix.ch/de/search/entity/list/firm/1250960?name=EngageLink%20SA&searchType=exactAnd no Company with the name Solus that claim to develop heating elementshttps://www.zefix.ch/de/search/entity/list?name=Solus&searchType=exact

author: malavon
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 06, 2019, 08:29:18 pm
content: 12 hours left before someone buys himself a new villaIf there is anyone here who backed that abomination (even for a single $ or €), could you leave a comment on the project asking why there is no company called Koleda in Switzerland?

author: Pluscrafter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2019, 10:06:55 pm
content: Nah with an half million you even can't buy a shed on lake geneva.Gesendet von meinem G8341 mit Tapatalk

author: Gregg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2019, 01:16:02 am
content: This could be the science behind this:The normal body temperature of domestic cattle is 37.8-39.2°CAssuming the shit coming out of the bull is very close to body temperaturefor a short whileTherefore with enough bullshit you could stay quite warmNowhere do they mention the associated smell

author: JanHenrik
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2019, 09:37:12 am
content: It looks like Kickstarter stopped the project

author: JanHenrik
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2019, 09:40:06 am
content: And haters are now heaters..."Interesting how certain heaters posted dozens of comments..."https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/koleda/solus-the-most-efficient-radiator-in-the-world/comments?comment=UHJvamVjdENvbW1lbnQtMjM0MjYzNzE%3D

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2019, 10:20:01 am
content: QuoteInteresting to see how the backers will get refunded of what is left.

author: malavon
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 07, 2019, 11:49:43 am
content: I wouldn't be surprised if the people at kickstarter decided to google it and found out that it was under scrutiny by multiple people.The law of numbers is real, kickstarter can't risk being associated with outright scams too much.Funny thing is, I still haven't heard from them. I guess they didn't even need my report to do the right thing.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2019, 12:03:15 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on March 07, 2019, 10:20:01 amInteresting to see how the backers will get refunded of what is left.They should get every cent back, as the money never went to Solus as the campaign had not ended. I think some in the comments said they got refunded already.

author: kjr18
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2019, 01:09:54 pm
content: Wow, someone posted this comment multiple times:"Here's a link to a *VERY* well respected electronics youtuber that explains everything:".

author: Daixiwen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2019, 09:04:37 am
content: How long will it be before this campaign reappears on IndieGogo?

author: TomS_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2019, 01:10:27 pm
content: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solus-the-most-efficient-radiator-in-the-world--2#/Copy/paste. Quite literally!

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2019, 02:18:29 pm
content: Addressing Contributor Comments on a CampaignYou must respond promptly and truthfully to all questions posed to you by either Indiegogo or a ContributorProduct Stages FAQ- For EntrepreneursPrototype: You have a working version of your physical product. You can successfully demonstrate the performance of core functions and working features as described in your campaign story.Your Account and ObligationsBe truthful. Don’t post information you know is false, misleading, or inaccurate. Don’t do anything deceptive or fraudulent.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2019, 02:23:12 pm
content: Lovely! Downgraded to scam.Let's see how many backers will support Solus after all the public debunking.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2019, 02:30:34 pm
content: Reported to Indiegogo - we’ll see what happens.

author: TomS_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2019, 11:23:02 am
content: A day on Indiegogo and zero backers so far, although I suspect it had been up for a couple of days prior to when I discovered it.

author: TomS_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2019, 11:33:16 am
content: 2 backers on indiegogo

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2019, 02:07:43 pm
content: Quote from: TomS_ on March 19, 2019, 11:33:16 amBurn the heretics of thermodynamics! (it would heat your house better)

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2019, 02:12:37 pm
content: Even worse, if you want it in white, they'll scam you an extra 10 bucks!

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2019, 07:50:16 pm
content: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solus-the-most-efficient-radiator-in-the-world--2#/"Under review"Oh dear.

author: TomS_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2019, 08:33:21 am
content: Im wondering why everything ended up being about 50-60% off on indigogo compared to what they were asking on kickstarter...?

author: TomS_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 10:08:06 am
content: They are back at it again, but this time claiming only 30% savings, and far less egregious claims in general.https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solus-plus-the-radiator-of-the-future#/

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 10:19:26 am
content: Solus Plus? The next model will be Solus Ultra saving up to 10%. After that Solus NG will give you -20%.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 03:09:01 pm
content: It looks like the Graphene's 800% efficiency wasn't true after all, who'd have guessed.The 30% saving will come from the app telling you how much the leccy is costing so you keep turning it off!

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 03:26:40 pm
content: A Solus Free Energy converting the heat in your room into electric power would be nice. No more expensive AC and high power bills.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 04:31:46 am
content: Paint a whole room with Solus Grapheme Paint Pro: it will absorb thermal radiation and reflect it by amplified 800%.

author: TomS_
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 08:15:31 am
content: Quote from: StillTrying on May 30, 2019, 03:09:01 pmWas it even graphene anyway? All of the reading Ive done suggests that graphene is a 2D lattice of carbon atoms - i.e. a single layer. The paste which they seem to be applying in their videos would suggest a 3D structure instead, and hence not graphene.Others have posited that they are just using the term because its a buzzword.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 09:19:35 am
content: Exactly. It is bullshit and a buzzword.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2019, 04:58:34 pm
content: They've been shipping for 10 days, but nobody admits receiving one yet.https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solus-plus-the-radiator-of-the-future#/updates/allI can't wait for the results.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2019, 09:25:56 pm
content: The best way of shaving 100% off your next heating bill is to turn it off altogether. Buy sweaters.

author: Nusa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2019, 10:05:41 pm
content: If I don't have a heating bill, how do I get 80% off?

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2019, 09:52:42 pm
content: The 1st happy customer has turned up."jarkko.haverinen 6 hours agoHi! Just got my Black Solus+ panels! There is a drilling template that on the bottom says “read instructions fully before installation” – where are the instructions? I can’t find them physically neither on your website.I got 2 x M2 panels in black. Why are the sensors white?I also wrote you that I need a remote controller, when do I get one?"and another!"Brian Reho 5 minutes agoJust like jarkko,haverinen, I received my Solus+ today also, but NO INSTRUCTIONS. The way the single paper template lines up with the Solus+ mounting bracket, is a mystery to me. Doesn’t make sense. Otherwise, the heater is very nice. It has some little white plastic controller that does something I suspect. Not having ANY instruction or manual, it too is a mystery."

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2019, 11:40:43 am
content: The first switch ons, they need 'running in'.Pascal Pettenkofer 5 hours agoHi, Heater looks great! I received a white version of the sensor with my black Solus M2. Can I get a black sensor too please. Also I have noticed that when powering on my Solus draws 530 W.Thank you.Maxim Interbrick4 hours agoProject OwnerDear Pascal, that's great to hear! Please leave the units to run for 48h. They should slowly return to rated input. All units will experience this during the first 48h of operation. If you don't see that happening, there may be an issue with workmanship and we will send you a replacement! Thank youhttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solus-plus-the-radiator-of-the-future#/comments

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2019, 01:03:08 pm
content: More likely a burn-in, hopefully without smoke and fire.Anyhow, I would expect the manufacturer to run the burn-in as part of the QA process before shipping the product.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2019, 04:20:55 pm
content: Oh no, the product is functioning more than we expected,how dare it! Bring it in so we can retard it down to it's feeble useless rating!

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2019, 06:51:37 pm
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on September 20, 2019, 04:20:55 pmYou mean, it can actually convert electrical power into heat? Now who would have thought...?!(Oh, it can't get more heat out of a given amount of electrical power than any other old heater?Wait... did they claim anything along those lines, maybe...?)

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2019, 07:26:33 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on September 20, 2019, 06:51:37 pmYep, they certainly did!But how dare it draw enough power to actually create halfway decent heat (still pitiful, but way better than the 300W or whatever it was claiming), they just say it's a problem.So basically what they're saying is it either works as a somewhat effective heater for 48 hours then breaks into a useless 300W piece of crap, or it's "broken".Just goes to show how stupid the customers are for believing that making a heater use less power is good.Unless the higher power would literally fry something in which case, good, being on fire would make it much more effective heater.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2019, 01:52:01 pm
content: "Just goes to show how stupid the customers are"Sean Mauch 16 hours agoJust for clarification, Is the 48 hour break-in period a one time thing? Or does it require this length of time each time it is warmed up from cold.Maxim InterbrickProject OwnerIt's a one time thing (unless switched off for a long period like a year in a damp environment). However, with your unit, the wattage seems far too low for an M2 unit. As mentioned above, please share photos of the wattage and we will replace it immediately. The heating line was most likely damaged during transport.He's accidentally right in a way, if you want to come home to a warm room on Friday you would have to switch it on 3 days before.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2019, 02:09:21 pm
content: Quote from: StillTrying on September 21, 2019, 01:52:01 pm

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2019, 07:47:04 pm
content: The "burn--in"doesn't seem to be working so far.They were saying they could be powered from 48V, so they might not know that the power varies with voltage.Sean MauchAnyone have any feedback yet on their experience with the M2? I am starting to get a little concerned. I’ve been running the unit continuously for 20 hours and it never even reaches half of the rated input of 800W (doesn’t appear to budge from 370W). I purchased a 2nd M2 unit, and have it running now for a comparison. To be fair, the app is not yet available, so I do not know what extra settings might exist. Anyone else weigh in on their experience so far? Perhaps I need more patience.Maxim InterbrickProject OwnerHi Sean, if your unit did not rise to 800W in the past 48 hours that is very strange indeed. The only explanation is that the heating lines were damaged during transport...Maxim InterbrickProject OwnerThe M2 units should be drawing 800W. Sometimes, if they have been packaged a long time without being switched on, they can start as low as 500W and slowly go up to rated input. 300W is really really low. Far too low. It must be damaged!Sean MauchOk. Then it looks like both M2 units were damaged or had issues during manufacturing.. Neither unit comes anywhere close to 500W. I will take a picture, and provide a video to you.https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solus-plus-the-radiator-of-the-future#/comments

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2019, 10:15:43 am
content: These lot have gained about £8k in the last week or so, despite both the graphene sludge heaters and the app not working.Crowdfunding something that's 100% guaranteed not to work would probably do quite well.https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solus-plus-the-radiator-of-the-future#/comments

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2019, 09:03:27 pm
content: O...M...F...G!One guy said the app wouldn't work so he used a different smart home app (assuming with smart plugs or something) and the Solus guys were like NO, NO, NO "you will not have control over your home heating"!O RLY?!Intruducing this revolutionary device for controlling the flow of electric current. Please, hold off the applause and the amazement at how this was possible without any wireless shit.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2019, 12:51:04 pm
content: "Peter RHas anyone managed to get the full 450W off their M1 heaters? Mine barely go over 200W and it takes an age to heat up a room. Have emailed Max and awaiting a reply."When the outside temperature drops another few degrees the 200W won't be enough the heat up a room at all, who'd have thunk it.