YABE: "Yet Another Broken Efratom" - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / repair

author: thinkfat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 26, 2019, 01:05:40 pm
content: Hi, got another broken one, because, being able to repair one doesn't mean a thing, right?Not sure what it is, the label just says "PART NO: 100334-004", I guess that's a customer part number. Some photos attached.Didn't yet fire it up, don't know where to connect the power supply yet.Any idea which of the many Efratom models this actually is?EDIT: It's an Efratom FRS.

author: thinkfat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 27, 2019, 08:52:31 am
content: So, heater works, power consumption is nominal 1.7A at cold start, drops to around 400mA when hot.Lamp voltage is 7V, this is too low. Should be above 9V. Might need to check the lamp.Frequency tripler works, SRD checks out OK. Adjusted voltages to the nominal 3.38V (R25/R27, R30/R22, C30/L8)Some spurs on the servo test point, might need to adjust the exciter frequency.The servo test pin shows the characteristic pattern of an unlocked sweep, when the frequency is near the hyperfine resonance, but the amplitude is _way_ to low. it should be ranging between +10V and 0V, but it's only +-1V around 5V.Possible failure modes:* worn-out lamp -> we already know the lamp voltage is low* defective error signal preamp* detuned SRD bias -> I've already adjusted the voltages but the SRD might have aged. This was the problem with the LPRO I repaired.The easiest thing to check is the error signal preamp. If that checks out good, I'll try disconnecting the servo from the XO and applying the tuning voltage manually. If done carefully, I can hit the hyperfine resonance long enough to tune the SRD bias back into a functional range.If nothing goes, I'll disassemble the thing and have a look at the lamp itself.

author: capt bullshot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 27, 2019, 09:45:18 am
content: Same as mine (has the same number on its enclosure):http://wunderkis.de/efratom-frs/Check the pots controlling the RF leveling loopEdit: just seen you did that already

author: edpalmer42
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 27, 2019, 05:30:55 pm
content: You said that the heater 'works'. Have you checked the temperature of all the ovens? I have one very old Rb standard where one of the oven thermistors drifted badly and reduced the temperature of the cavity by 20C. This caused no second harmonic and no lock.An obvious problem (not in this case - I'm playing to the audience) is that the output frequency is sweeping correctly, but the quartz oscillator has drifted far enough that the sweep doesn't hit the correct frequency. I saw that once - really easy fix!Ed

author: thinkfat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 27, 2019, 09:35:42 pm
content: Quote from: edpalmer42 on October 27, 2019, 05:30:55 pmHi Ed,thanks for joining. I didn't yet check the temperature in detail. It looks like I'll have to disassemble the electronics completely to get to the physics package, so I'm looking into checking the easy stuff first. Once I've ruled out that, I'll go deeper into the rabbit hole.

author: edpalmer42
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 27, 2019, 09:51:44 pm
content: Is that a hole I see in the middle of the oscillator board? On the Efratom FRK, there's a hole that you can poke a temperature probe through to check the temperature of the Rb cell in the cavity. Be careful, remember that the cell is glass!The manual for the FRK has more diagnostic/adjustment/repair info than the FRS manual. It might be helpful to grab a copy.Ed

author: thinkfat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 28, 2019, 08:06:42 am
content: Quote from: edpalmer42 on October 27, 2019, 09:51:44 pmThat's the wrong endThe center hole goes to the lamp assembly and there's a sheet of thermal insulation foam preventing me poking a probe into it. The other hole goes to the trimmer cap for adjusting the frequency of the exciter oscillator.The FRK manual is pure gold! I downloaded a copy when repairing the LPRO, it has a _lot_ of troubleshooting information and full schematics. The FRS manual also has full schematics and drawings for the part locations, that is also very good.At the moment I'm scratching my head about the AGC circuitry on the multiplier board. The interaction between the two pots for setting the SRD bias and the AGC setpoint is really quite fiddly. Adjusting both to "nominal" values doesn't really do anything. I think I'll go for the basics now and check the physics package, heater temperature and especially the condition of the lamp.

author: 5065AGuru
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2019, 04:57:48 am
content: Hi,Your unit is a version of the FRS-C. Manuals athttp://ftb.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals&dir=02_GPS_Timing/EfratomNice details of lamp assy. problems and repairs.Cheers,Corby

author: Muza
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2020, 09:51:04 pm
content: Did you get your FRS-C fixed? I've the same unit with similar symptoms and would like to hear if you found a solution.The R30/R22 voltage on mine is a bit fiddly tho..

author: thinkfat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 05, 2020, 09:57:25 pm
content: I didn't touch it yet. I still have it on my desk, waiting... I did source the connector, though. Mouser has it, bit on the expensive side, but it fits well.

author: Muza
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2020, 11:52:48 pm
content: What was the Mouser part number for the connector?Mine came mounted with the interconnect board in a metallic box, so I'm going to reuse the connector from the interconnect board.How are you measuring the lamp voltage?My R25/R27 is at 3.38VBut no matter what I do with th R30, I cant bring the voltage at R30/R22 over 3.2V which drops even further once the lamp heats up.