Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: Wong
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 01:19:53 am
content: DHO802 70MHz/2 channels/1.25Gsa/25Mpts/12bit 1999Yuan($284)Sorry, I don't know how to upload pictures.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 01:36:37 am
content: Quote from: Wong on May 19, 2023, 01:19:53 amClick on "Attachments and other options" when you create a post. It's down below.(...or provide a link to a web page?)

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 01:37:58 am
content: Here it is...interesting, modern 12 Bit replacement for the DS1000Z series!

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 02:13:27 am
content: Quote from: TurboTom on May 19, 2023, 01:37:58 amWith MSO option, too! (and HDMI output)I wonder what the difference is between these and the DHO1000...

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 02:13:44 am
content: USB Type-C power, commodity battery options!.... more users floating their scope

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 02:43:51 am
content: Quote from: TurboTom on May 19, 2023, 01:37:58 amAnd you call that IDE LA header modern ?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 02:45:06 am
content: Looks like the 9-series is the MSO and the 8-series is the DSO:https://www.chem17.com/product/detail/37654999.htmlhttps://www.chem17.com/product/detail/37654932.htmlThey claim one million waveforms/sec.4-channel, 70Mhz, 1.25GS/sec. 800-series for $325 USD in China (presumably hackable to 100MHz).

author: Wong
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 03:22:12 am
content: https://www.rigol.com/products/detail/DHO800https://www.rigol.com/products/detail/DHO900

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 03:40:19 am
content: Looks like it's slim and has external power supply (USB-C):

author: pope
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 06:20:05 am
content: So, is it black or white?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 08:42:39 am
content: Quote from: pope on May 19, 2023, 06:20:05 amLook at the pics...800 series = white.900 series = black.

author: pope
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 08:56:50 am
content: If only they weren't so ugly...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 09:58:20 am
content: Quote from: tautech on May 19, 2023, 02:43:51 amGiven a 1024x600 dots 7" touchscreen, hdmi output and 12 bit native resolution, the LA header should cause the least headaches for the competition.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 10:23:10 am
content: Quote from: tautech on May 19, 2023, 02:43:51 amYou won't see it when the probes are connected.

author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 10:42:20 am
content: First there was DSO and MSO.Now there is DHO.I guess the H stands for High resolution!

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 10:42:34 am
content: Quote from: pope on May 19, 2023, 08:56:50 amI don't get the fashion for black devices and dark themes but the white one looks OK to me.Lucky I didn't pull the trigger on a DHO1000 yet ... let's see how this thing shapes up.Similarities:UI looks the sameFront panel controls look the same (but reorganized)Sensitivity and number of bits is the same (it's the same chipset...)FFT specs are the same (1mpts)It has remote web interface.Differences I can see so far:Less bandwidth/sample rateLess memoryScreen is smallerExternal power supplyI could live with that, especially at half the price. Let's hope they haven't tried to dumb-down the firmware out of spite.I ran the datasheet though google translate and attached it below.

author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 10:43:06 am
content: External power supply is not a good idea! It sucks actually!

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 10:46:08 am
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on May 19, 2023, 10:42:20 amIt used to be "HDO" (High Definition Oscilloscope) but they switched to "DHO" becauseLeCroyhas trademarks.(at least, that's what's been going around...)

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 10:48:01 am
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on May 19, 2023, 10:43:06 amWhy? It makes it much slimmer.My Micsig has an external supply and it's not a problem. At least they used a standard so there's no problem replacing it if it breaks.

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 10:50:55 am
content: DHO802 70MHz 2x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥1999 (285 USD)DHO804 70MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥2299 (330 USD)DHO812 100MHz 2x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥2599 (370 USD)DHO814 100MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥2999 (430 USD)DHO914 125MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 50Mpts ¥3999 (570 USD)DHO914S 125MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 50Mpts ¥4999 (715 USD)DHO924 250MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 50Mpts ¥4999 (715 USD)DHO924S 250MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 50Mpts ¥5999 (855 USD)

author: gitm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 11:25:37 am
content: Is that 1.25GS/s per channel simultaneously?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 11:26:50 am
content: Quote from: Someone on May 19, 2023, 10:50:55 amWe live in interesting times.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 11:30:46 am
content: Quote from: gitm on May 19, 2023, 11:25:37 amNo.it is 1.25 GS/s divided per number of channels used. Single ADC. so 1.25G/ 625M/ 312,5M for 1, 2 and 3/4 ch respectively..Also memory is same. 25Mpts and 50Mpts divided by 4.

author: gitm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 11:34:27 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 11:26:50 amYes we do. I paid $1200 for a Tek TDS1012 2x 1GS/s 100MHz back in 2000.

author: gitm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 11:44:44 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 11:42:08 amI don't read Chinese and also don't like to assume. Whatever happened to "no such thing as a stupid question"?

author: Njk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 12:05:54 pm
content: Looks very interesting.The IDC connector is a good thing. Easy to replace in case. But the big selling point is USB-C. What's the advantage of that in T&M equipment (other than "Apple philosophy")? I remember my old Tek scope had special compartment for Ni-Cd battery. Very convenient and no need for fancy connectors of the mobile phone type.It's two times faster, so more heat will be generated inside even more constrained enclosure (and the TMDS transmitter part will contribute for sure). The laws of nature are difficult to bend. It must be of very sophisticated technology to last long.Consider DS1054. XX years in production. Still a backlog of not fixed defects in the software. How long it will take for the new model to reach the same maturity? I wonder if I'll be alive at that time...

author: jjoonathan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 03:25:32 pm
content: The writing is on the wall: USB-C will replace barrel connectors + wall warts.

author: MathWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 04:06:08 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 19, 2023, 11:30:46 amSo according to the datasheet, the HDO4000 series is also only 1 ADC, with 500MS/s for 4ch. They look nice too, but like the SDS2000HD series, they are too pricey to justify, for my hobby use.If I didn't have any scope, these DHO800/900 or SDS1000HD series would be a great starting point.Unless I want to do more of a side grade, I guess for now, I'm looking at getting a MSO5000 or SDS200Xplus series

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 04:47:55 pm
content: nice size comparison

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 05:07:42 pm
content: Quote from: MathWizard on May 19, 2023, 04:06:08 pmSDS2000X Plus did not stop being great scope by arrival of new 12 bit series. MSO5000 is also great value for the money with different focus.Rigol is very aggressive with new models..Looks like very eclectic choice of features... 800 is simplest, but 900 has more features and higher BW than 1000 despite having lower sample rate and small screen. .. Kinda weird choices without clear model gamut layout..And also, they need to actually finish to production level FW for any of these...

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 06:02:48 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 19, 2023, 05:07:42 pmThat's the one thing that has kept us from acquiring any Rigol instruments.They seem to do a good job with the hardware, sometimes a really good job like these new 12 bit scopes with custom chip-sets, but don't seem to have quality firmware with loads of bugs, many of which should have caught well before release, and few and far between updates!!We've been enticed by these new 12 bit DSOs and followed the development, and folks finding the host of bugs and such, with little efforts from Rigol for serious firmware updates, apparently they released well before any serious in-house test and evaluation performed.Maybe this is there business model, develop good hardware platforms and employ early adopters as development product debuggers, saves in house engineering, test and evaluation costs, then only provide updates when they've collected enough information from the field users and dedicate some in house resources to fix the major shortcomings identified by their end users. Then they pass some of this $ saving on to the customer with a lower MRSP, sounds a lot like the much lower tier OEM "cheap type equipment" business model, and classic short term management, ship early as soon as it's kinda working, put $ in your pockets now, only fix stuff when absolutely necessary as it takes way from the present bottom line!However, Rigol did, or paid a consulting group, to develop a custom 12 bit ADC chip set, so this hints at some long term thinking as why would anyone with short term mentality take on an expensive, long term, and difficult task as such??Apparently this custom chip set is pretty good, so hats off to them for this effort!! Now if they can just replicate this effort with the firmware development and post sales support updates, they would have an outstanding product!!Having quality & supported products from Rigol, Siglent and GW Instek, which seem to be the top middle tier OEMs, benefits all of us as these OEMs via for a sustained future and growth, and push each other for better future products!! So we're just "hoping" that Rigol's business model is not what we described above, eventually we would all suffer from this!!Anyway, just rambling, had too many cups of coffee, need to dilute such with some brewsBest,

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 08:08:49 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 19, 2023, 05:07:42 pmAt least we know now what the engineers have been working on since the HDO1000 was launched. Maybe we'll se an update to go with this new launch.IIRC from the other thread there were no showstopper bugs left in the HDO1000/HDO4000 after the last update, just a bunch of minor things.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2023, 08:25:35 pm
content: Rather the opposite, most of the listed fixes (there are not so many) in the description of the new firmware, I had not even noticed whenI had a rigol to test, rather other...But that doesn't matter for now, the models aren't even on the Western market yet, so a lot of good things may or may not happen until then.Either way, the two models will cause a stir on the "500$ market", any bet.

author: Anthocyanina
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2023, 02:15:46 am
content: does anyone else think rigol's designs have become uglier with each release? the front panel button shape, their layout, and alignment are so incredibly ugly and inconsistent, like they gave each section of the front panel to a different team, and those teams gave each button to a different person, and none of them talked to each other and just mashed everything together at the endand even the BNC hexagon thing, on the 1000z the hexagons were nicely rounded on top and bottom and the channel markings also looked nicer, but now it's all sharp angles seemingly picked at random for everything in the front panel. the white ones don't look as bad as the black ones for some reason, maybe lower contrast between all the ugly edges makes them blend in with the background?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2023, 08:02:54 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 08:08:49 pmYes they have been working on many new products that doesn't work out of the box...It is shame really because they have some promising stuff..As for no real bugs.. You are kidding.. They are not even feature complete yet.. FFT misses half parameters for instance...I hope they are done releasing now and put some real work to bring software to prod quality..It is good for us to have more good choices...

author: Old Printer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2023, 12:05:07 pm
content: Release the hardware and start the ROI flowing, then let the hungry users spot the bugs for them. Their MO is not hard to spot, it’s been that way at least since the 1054Z was released and we fell over ourselves scooping them up which in the long run seemed to work out for everyone. Think of what we have on our bench’s for under $500, now even $350. Hard to complain.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2023, 02:02:36 pm
content: Quote from: Old Printer on May 20, 2023, 12:05:07 pmIn this case I think it was more that the bean counters wanted the HDO1000/HDO4000 out in November for the Xmas market.Now it turns out they had this in the pipeline, too.Some people will see this as a massive upgrade to the DS1054Z. Others will only ever see that the FFT could have some more parameters.Is the bottle half empty or half full?Me? For $350 I'd say it's three-quarters full and grab me a glass.Hopefully they'll have time to work on the firmware a bit now. I can't imagine they have any more models up their sleeves in the next few months and they should have the new chipset mastered by now.

author: Nikki Smith
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2023, 10:58:52 am
content: Very interested in one of these. I've been looking to upgrade to a 4-channel 'scope, but wanted to wait for something in my price bracket with a modern chipset that (hopefully) is more responsive than the classics.I contacted Rigol EU and they say their European website will have these new models for pre-order next month (mid-June) with delivery in September.

author: CosteC
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2023, 12:06:19 pm
content: Quote from: gitm on May 19, 2023, 11:34:27 amI will risk statement we live in best times for measurement equipment for the masses.Around 2010 Tek MSO2024B was piece of good stuff for 7000$ I think... 4x200 MHz 4x1GSps 4x1MS memory... Today I prefer DS1054Z unless I need 200 MHz... MSO2024B is so irritating to use, awful display, so little automatic measurements... Low noise however.I think we have also TDS1024 from 2008 in work. I aged poorly.

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2023, 06:07:35 am
content: I was looking through the DHO900/800 pages and realized that both series can be powered by a power bank using the USB-C port. If this is correct it will be interesting to understand what autonomy it will have with an acceptable power bank size.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2023, 08:10:42 am
content: Quote from: simone.pignatti on May 30, 2023, 06:07:35 amRigol's web page says"The Type-C power supply interface design only needs a mobile power supply to supply power to DHO800, making field testing possible."The datasheet for the 800 series says: "36 W max. (with each interface, USB stick, active probe connected)"So... about an hour at max current draw on a suitable 10000 mAh powerbank. Maybe 90 minutes with normal probes and no USB sticks.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2023, 08:15:20 am
content: The datasheet for the 900 series says: 48W max.

author: Aldo22
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timestamp: June 17, 2023, 07:47:41 am
content: The video is nothing great, but it shows that something is moving.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2023, 08:53:07 pm
content: DHO900 series have a internal awg and offer bode plot - nice.But the greater 1000/4000 models not - Can´t understand their model policy.

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2023, 02:05:01 pm
content: Official launch date for Europe September 8th 2023. Shipments start end of September.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2023, 02:26:17 pm
content: Hmm, I think I'll buy one, just for curiosity

author: mikeselectricstuff
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timestamp: August 23, 2023, 02:52:39 pm
content: Quote from: jjoonathan on May 19, 2023, 03:25:32 pmExcept judging from the video, in this case it seems to be instead of, rather than as well as an internal AC PSU. Yet another exernal brick.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2023, 04:22:14 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on August 23, 2023, 02:52:39 pmYou can make a monolithic device with a simple dab of glue.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2023, 02:07:55 am
content: Quote from: simone.pignatti on August 23, 2023, 02:05:01 pmTwo weeks!

author: Dacian
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2023, 03:49:23 am
content: I'm quite interested in this for the fact that is a low cost 12bit scope and it has an external power supply that I will not need since my house is powered with 2V DC so I can just add an efficient DC-DC converter. It is also quite small so will not take much space in my small lab.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2023, 11:30:42 pm
content: I cancelled my order for the DHO924S. Ordered on 8/22 and it was expected to ship on 9/8 but today the shipping was delayed to 10/20.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2023, 11:04:17 am
content: Quote from: simone.pignatti on August 23, 2023, 02:05:01 pmWill you be selling them?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2023, 11:49:33 am
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on August 24, 2023, 11:30:42 pmI would have canceled this only when I can get it safely somewhere else earlier.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2023, 12:07:20 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on August 25, 2023, 11:04:17 amSimone is from Batterfly, so probably yes.https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/blog-posts/rigol-dho900-dho800-launch-domestic-market

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2023, 02:57:25 pm
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on August 25, 2023, 12:07:20 pmI know who he is...I'm asking because nobody can sell the DHO1000 directly, it can only be bought through rigol.eu.

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2023, 10:42:33 pm
content: Yes we will have them. Hopefully end of September.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2023, 07:43:24 pm
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on August 24, 2023, 11:30:42 pmOrder is active again. Seems that there was some communication error or misunderstanding between Rigol China and the US distributor. The units will be available September 8 (according to an email just received from Rigol China).

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2023, 07:56:15 pm
content: Rigol.eu have now listed the DHO800/900.Price for the DHO804 : 399€...https://www.rigol.eu/products/oscillosopes/112.html

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2023, 09:03:25 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 28, 2023, 07:56:15 pmAnd € 299 for the DHO802It seems they readthis forumIs this VAT included?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2023, 09:12:13 pm
content: No, list-prices are mostly excl. VAT because they can differ from country to country.But OK, 399 plus 19% are 475€ - Still super cheap...(Nobody really wants a 2-ch scope..)If it´s avaible, I´ll buy one and compare it to SDS1104X-E and DS1054Z.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2023, 10:20:37 pm
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on August 28, 2023, 09:03:25 pmRigol do indeed read this forum

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2023, 11:09:57 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 28, 2023, 09:12:13 pmI'm VAT registered so I'll get one for list price.

author: flano
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2023, 09:48:37 am
content: Received an email from John South at Emona Australia today with pricing on their website.https://emona.com.au/DHO800-900

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2023, 04:58:38 pm
content: Quote from: simone.pignatti on August 26, 2023, 10:42:33 pmWe have them online now.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2023, 09:10:03 pm
content: The prices for the interesting models* :DHO 804 :https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho804DHO 914S :https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho914s(* = Higher bandwith you´ll hack, not buy. 2-channels only versions none should be interested in. S-model because of the inbuild gen/bode function)

author: Nx-1997
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2023, 09:12:47 pm
content: The DHO804 will be a perfect scope to pair with a MSO5K. Can't wait.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2023, 11:58:55 pm
content: Quote from: flano on August 30, 2023, 09:48:37 amThat's US$427 for the bottom of the range unit, US$485 for the base 4CH at current exchange rate, nice.So AU$749 for the 70MHz 4CH DHO800 vs AU$649 for the 50MHz 4CH DS1054Z. No brainer!Surely this absolutely kills the DS1054Z?

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 12:47:01 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 30, 2023, 11:58:55 pmI'd think that only the most price sensitive informed buyer would still go for the DS1054z. It might push Siglent to reduce price on the SDS1104X-E or offer a long running ("permanent"?) promotion for it.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 03:06:03 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 30, 2023, 11:58:55 pmThey're still selling the DS1052E for nearly as mush as the DS1054Z. Go figure!(and it's at #7 on Batronix, ahead of any Siglents...)https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/DSO.html

author: Mortymore
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 08:17:20 am
content: I guess that the DS1052E is still selling for it's simplicity, with a target market for those who begin to learn to use an oscilloscscope.Not having advanced functions and much to mess with, may be and advantage there.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 08:18:39 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 28, 2023, 09:12:13 pmQuote from: Martin72 on August 30, 2023, 09:10:03 pmMany people buy 2-channel oscilloscopes, why do you think it is different with the DHO800?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 08:41:15 am
content: Sooner or later, but one day for sure, you will regret not having spent the few bucks more for 4 channels back then.Believe me.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 09:01:06 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 31, 2023, 08:41:15 amThis is your opinion and your advice. Thank you for that!But that does not answer my question.You say "2-channels only versions none should be interested in."I don't know the sales figures, but if I take a quick look at Reichelt, for example, I see an offering of 93 2-channel and 55 4-channel oscilloscopes.Why would they offer so many 2-channel oscilloscopes if nobody is interested in them?My question was actually: why do you think that the 2-channel models particularly of the DHO800 are of no interest to anyone?Because of the relatively small price difference?Or how did you mean that? After all, you say that in two posts.

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 09:37:16 am
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on August 31, 2023, 09:01:06 amI guess you answered your own question.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 11:50:36 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 30, 2023, 09:10:03 pmOnce you go with the 4 channel version with digital capability, add the logic probe we are at 1000 EUR again.The Scope alone, DHO914S is 700 EUR ex VAT, the MSO5074 is 900 EUR, the logic probe is 300 EUR so the total difference is 20%. The actual difference between these two is huge. Maybe the AWG can be hacked. They really should work on the price of the logic probe, for sure it shouldn't cost the same as a scope. This makes it uninteresting IMHO.The DHO804 is a good price though if that's all someone needs.

author: zrq
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 01:31:00 pm
content: Maybe a DHO914 non S is a better deal if the signal generator is hackable (is it?).

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 01:54:24 pm
content: Got a lowest price guarantee from Batronix.Will order a DHO924S.And I already have the LA-probe, so this going to be fun.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 02:26:00 pm
content: Quote from: tv84 on August 31, 2023, 09:37:16 amHow? Can you explain?My question is not so difficult after all.Martin72 said that no one was interested in the 2-channel version of the DHO800 and I asked why.I understand that Martin72 is not interested in the 2-channel version, but why does he say that "nobody" is interested?Is there a specific reason for this regarding the DHO800?I believe that more 2Ch than 4Ch oscilloscopes are sold in general, so I would like to understand why Martin72 says this regarding the DHO800.I really don't want to argue, I just don't understand.

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 03:01:39 pm
content: Quote from: zrq on August 31, 2023, 01:31:00 pmDHO914 and DHO924 are without AWG output connector

author: trp806mo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 03:06:20 pm
content: I would more ask myself if I need a 2 or 4 inputs for my scope without bother me with what the others are using. But from my (little) experience I had never seen a 2 inputs scope in all the labs i've seen and for my personal use I have 2 scopes because i don't have even some time enough inputs (checking power supplies of the modern boards which have multiple power rails, checking buses, ...)

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 03:45:23 pm
content: Hopefully we will have one unit to test in our office on September the 11th.In the meanwhile I found this video, it's in Chinese but it easy to follow:

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 07:34:14 pm
content: QuoteDHO800 because it is the most affordable scope series among rigol's new 12-bit models.And of these, the DHO802 is the cheapest because it has only two channels.The difference is only about 120€ between 2 and 4 channels, nevertheless there will be people who want to save and will buy the two-channel.And I think that saved at the wrong end, because as I said, there will be a day when you realize that you now need more than 2 channels - and then you do not have them.And if you then can not get around it, you have to take money in hand again and buy a 4-channel, because you had saved "then" 120 €.And yes, this is really just my personal opinion, even if somewhat missionary presented.

author: NE666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2023, 08:09:35 pm
content: I find the addition of both the 800 and 900 series models to be an 'interesting' decision.It feels to me as if the mixed signal capability was wished for by the product manager for the DHO1000 and DHO4000 series but wasn't possible to deliver within the timescale slated for their release, hence it was pushed down in the backlog, to be implemented as a feature for the later 900 series. Amongst other things, the cost of additional LA probes becomes less disproportionate set in the context of the price points of these models. The 10" displays on the DHO1000/4000 also seem more suited to this, rather than the much smaller 7", lower resolution displays used in these 'portable' form factor units. At least, if you're someone whose workflow doesn't generally have other PC-based instruments up and running in parallel.Speaking for myself, I'd much rather have seen the LA capability in the DHO1000 and had no DHO900 series. The DHO800 series could have had more memory (at the same entry price), and the sig gen as an option.However, as another member has previously said, I look forward to being able to complement my MSO5000 "daily digital driver hot hatch" with a more sedate yet elegant drive for the weekend in analogue country. The entry price for the DHO800 is very interesting, and entirely in a welcome way.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 12:12:57 am
content: Just got mine.I'll shoot a quick unboxing video and put it as an exclusive video on my website.It's the smallest scope box I've ever gotten!

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 07:10:17 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 31, 2023, 07:34:14 pmThank you for your honest answer, now I understand you.Yes, "more" is often better... and more expensive.Why not the DHO924S with 250Mhz with AWG?It's also a question of where you are looking at it from.I almost ordered a Hantek. Last week there was a promotion for the 100MHz DSO2C10 for CHF 130.-But I thought: No, then I'd rather wait for the cheapest DHO800.From that point of view, I think you would agree with me?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 08:46:06 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 31, 2023, 07:34:14 pmUS$60 difference between 2CH and 4CH according to my pricing from the Rigol website

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 08:48:02 am
content: Quote from: NE666 on August 31, 2023, 08:09:35 pmYes, fascinating decision, and may very well be what you deccribe.QuoteAgreed.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 09:40:40 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 01, 2023, 08:46:06 amI took the prices from the batterfly side, including VAT

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 09:48:35 am
content: I wonder if they've connected the USB-C ground to mains earth - would be sensible if they have.Maybe the supplied 4mm ground lead is just for when running on batteries.Pity they didn't use a right-angle USB-C plug, as the current one looks like it stops it lying flat. Also a bit of a shame they didn't take teh opportunity to use the rear mouding to provide some support for the plug. Let's just hope the USBC socket is on a sub-board to make it easy to replace.Would also have been nice to have the facility to screw/clip the PSU to the back, though should't be hard to make something that fixes to the VESA screws

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 10:20:28 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on September 01, 2023, 09:48:35 amDoesn't that bring shielding problems?

author: Mortymore
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 10:32:00 am
content: Quote from: tv84 on September 01, 2023, 10:20:28 amIt shouldn't. After all the PSU is usually inside the scope.Maybe Dave can do some testing on this regard in the review video

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 10:58:17 am
content: Quote from: Mortymore on September 01, 2023, 10:32:00 amThe ones designed and shielded to be...

author: switchabl
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 03:21:10 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 31, 2023, 07:34:14 pmIn something like a classroom setting, the use-cases are usually limited and more or less known in advance. Plus you are probably buying 10-20 oscilloscopes at a time, so the savings are more significant.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 07:07:38 pm
content: Now also in the batronix shop:https://www.batronix.com/versand/oszilloskope/Rigol-DHO804.htmlWhat I didn´t recognized so far:The memory drops down to only 1Mpt/each when all four channels are active...

author: Serg65536
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 07:28:24 pm
content: For those who missed the unboxing by Dave.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 07:54:01 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on September 01, 2023, 07:07:38 pmDHO900 says 10 Mpts , maybe it is an error ?This is exactly my point that people shouldn't make conclusions before things get fully releases and actually tested.Also it is 1mV/div, 500uV/div is software zoom...Simplistic math (single operation per math but you can cascade them, similar to rtb2000)Unboxing videos are pretty much useless."..it so cute.." is hardly a thing that is important in choosing a scope.It is a big step forward for Rigol no matter. Except crippled memory if all channels enabled if it is true. That one is hard fail.

author: Serg65536
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 08:00:14 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 01, 2023, 07:54:01 pmIt's possible to unlock full memory (like in DHO900) and more than 400 MHz bandwidth (calculated from rize time).

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 08:07:01 pm
content: Quote from: Serg65536 on September 01, 2023, 08:00:14 pmRise time calculation according to what type of filter?BW can be measured accurately only with signal generator.400MHz ? Give my regards to Nyquist...It makes for a decent 4ch 100MHz scope.. All above is pushing your luck..

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2023, 08:16:09 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 01, 2023, 07:54:01 pmDHO900 got 50Mpts/10Mpts for one channel/all four, DHO 25 for one - I´ve expected about 5 Mpts when all channels are active.Strange thing, but not the only one...

author: sebyon
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 06:02:33 am
content: Wow this thing is tiny.Honestly considering the price point of the thing, VISA mounts and USB-C power, it would make a killer office scope.

author: derree
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 07:21:06 pm
content: It's definitely a nice entry level scope, but for someone not needing the 12-bit vertical resolution or the portability it's quite expensive compared to the old king siglent sds1104x-e. Close to 600 Euros for the DHO814 in germany... possible hackability to a higher bandwidth not accounted for of course. Apart from the 12-bit ADC and the portability the siglent still has a higher bandwidth, dual ADC with 500 Ms/s for all 4 channels active, 7 megapoints per channel with all 4 channels active...

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 07:27:59 pm
content: Quote from: Mortymore on September 01, 2023, 10:32:00 amWould also be interesting to see noise levels with/without the ground connector.

author: Mortymore
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 08:49:28 pm
content: Quote from: derree on September 02, 2023, 07:21:06 pmThe SDS1104X-E and the SDS1202X-E are 10% cheaper on major Europe electronics online shops.PS: They could have done the same with the SDS2104X plus

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 09:05:12 pm
content: Quote from: Mortymore on September 02, 2023, 08:49:28 pmYou missed it, last year for 3 mths IIRC, $999

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 09:42:42 pm
content: The prices vary quite a bit.At Batronix the DHO802 costs € 349 net (instead of € 299) and at Batterfly there is the 4-channel DHO804 for € 387 net.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 09:59:01 pm
content: I would find it more interesting to see who can deliver first.Batterfly says October, Batronix in 2-4 weeks.QuoteIn the case of Batronix I wouldn't worry too much, they have a best price guarantee(Which is not quite correct from the designation.If you find it cheaper elsewhere, you can get the same price.).I'm still deciding whether to buy an 804 regular or try to borrow it, as I did with the DHO4204.

author: Mortymore
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 10:00:20 pm
content: I'm waiting to see how the SDS1000X HD goes into the mix

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 10:10:16 pm
content: This is intended more as a competitor to the DHO1000.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2023, 10:31:18 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on September 02, 2023, 09:59:01 pmI am still waiting for the prices from Reichelt or Conrad etc..They have prices in CHF for goods already imported to Switzerland.With Batronix or Batterfly I have to import myself by swiss post. This is always associated with some uncertainty, if the declaration is not correct, etc..So we all have our different problems...

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 09:27:04 am
content: On Aliexpress you can buy the DHO814 for CHF 413.28 (net, delivery included).According to my calculation, that would be a total of CHF 476.- (approx. € 498 / $ 538) after postal customs clearance.That doesn't sound too bad.Has anyone had bad experiences with such China imports?There is not even a specification of mains voltage or plug type on the product page.What about if problems arise (warranty etc.)?Hopeless?So far I have only ordered equipment in a price range where I didn't care about warranty etc, so I have no idea.Thanks!

author: Shonky
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 09:45:30 am
content: Basically assume no warranty. You have some recourse on the initial delivery with AliExpress e.g. Lost or broken in transit. After that you're largely on your own with the seller if they still exist.I see about $A810+GST delivered to AU for the 814. I would expect the local pricing to not be miles off that with the support and protections you'd expect.Also watch out for things like taxes at your end.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 10:04:11 am
content: Quote from: Shonky on September 03, 2023, 09:45:30 amThank you, I had already thought so.On the other hand, Batter Fly (Italy) or Batronix (Germany) are also abroad for us.No idea if this is really better in case of warranty?Quote from: Shonky on September 03, 2023, 09:45:30 amThe taxes are included in the calculation above (€ 498).That is the amazing thing.The price including Swiss taxes and shipping is about the same as the EU net catalog price of € 499.

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 10:49:34 am
content: Above Eu300, I only do business with a reputable seller.If you ask a quote at batronix, you get a lowest price guarantee.Be wise, be safe order there.Quote from: Aldo22 on September 03, 2023, 09:27:04 am

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 10:50:38 am
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on September 03, 2023, 10:04:11 amDon't buy early release equipment from China without warranty. Just don't do it.If you want my opinion, I don't buy ANY early release equipment even from local source with full warranty and support.I just have no taste or patience for the fact that these days many products are basically released completely unfinished and take a year or more to actually catch up with what was promissed the product will do. Even big western manufacturers do it (R&S for numerous products in last few years, for instance). Rigol is doing it very much in last few years and especially for this new series of 12 bit scopes.Some people will consciously accept that they bought something that "will work in future". Good for them. But at least buy from Rigol in EU. Or preferably in Switzerland. If you think it is the same as getting it from China, it is not.You know what is the difference ? :If you buy from local vendor in EU, the will guarantee for period of few years that PRODUCT will FUNCTION properly.If you import privately form China, they will guarantee they delivered the BOX with some goods in it, that number of products was correct, not obviously damaged in transport and that when you switch it on after receiving it, something will come up and it will show no obvious defects that can be seen.If after two months you realize that it overheats or fan starts buzzing, or whatever else, you are out of luck.My personal limit for such "cat in a bag" purchases is 50€.500€ scope ? Not a chance.But that is me. OTOH, some people like gambling....

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 11:02:29 am
content: Yes, thank you both!You are probably right.Right now I'm just looking at prices anyway and thinking a bit about which one to order later from which store, if any.I'm also not sure if the (normal) surcharge for the 100MHz version is justified for me.For now, I'm eagerly reading the eevblog to learn if the device is any good.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 11:04:36 am
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on September 03, 2023, 09:27:04 amYou'll be screwed over any warranty claim.You might also get one of those crappy power supplies mentioned earlier.

author: .RC.
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 11:22:12 am
content: Quote from: Mortymore on September 02, 2023, 08:49:28 pmAt this point in time here. 28% more expensive here for the Rigol.DHO814 AU$879 +taxSDS1104X-E AU$630 +taxI wonder if the 804 will only have 1 ADC shared between the 4 channels, and the 814 two ADC's shared between 2.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 11:46:34 am
content: Quote from: .RC. on September 03, 2023, 11:22:12 amYeah, but it's almost apples to oranges. The Rigol is 12 bits, touch screen, etc.Quote from: .RC. on September 03, 2023, 11:22:12 amAlmost certainly.

author: Dacian
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 04:36:42 pm
content: Quote from: .RC. on September 03, 2023, 11:22:12 amI think both 804 and 814 will only have a single ADC at least according with this spec from aliexpress where I ordered the the 804 yesterdayThe one strange thing is the memory for dual and quad channel just 1Mpts when all 4 channels are used.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 06:22:23 pm
content: Rigol DHO4000 series have two ADCs, all others only one.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2023, 08:20:18 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 03, 2023, 11:46:34 amYes and SDS1000X-E will have some capabilites SHO800 does not..Tool for the job..Quote from: .RC. on September 03, 2023, 11:22:12 amCorrect.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2023, 10:50:35 am
content: Batronix expects the DHO 804 to be available in October.

author: Warhawk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2023, 11:00:49 am
content: This is really an interesting series. I was considering Siglent's 2000 series (no HD) for the bode plot that I frequently have use for. Now I could do it for half the price with 12b resolution. That's interesting. Still, I give it a couple of months. I am sure Siglent will sooner or later take an action.My ds1074z does the job, for now.

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2023, 11:10:14 am
content: I ordered the DHO924S:Order date: 31.08.2023Availability: available in 4 weeksQuote from: Martin72 on September 04, 2023, 10:50:35 am

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2023, 02:37:48 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on September 02, 2023, 09:59:01 pmI just ordered a DHO804 from Batterfly.Edit: I just received an email from Batterfly telling me they're not in stock yet and they'll keep me posted on delivery times.The race is on!

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2023, 07:17:18 pm
content: I ordered one from batronix today.Buying instead of loaning, so I´ll have no timelimit for playing.

author: Nikki Smith
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2023, 11:06:07 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 03, 2023, 10:50:38 amTime to roll the dice!I ordered the 804 from China on 3rd September, with estimated delivery on the 17th. I'll report back what, if anything, gets delivered!

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2023, 03:55:49 pm
content: As promised here few images. We have a demo unit from today to test.

author: NE666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2023, 09:23:48 pm
content: Obviously a subjective thing but I find this form-factor very appealing. I'd like to see Rigol follow this up with a hobbyist-end of the market ARB in this form, retaining the external USB-power and VESA mount: a "baby DG4000 series", with a UI that was properly optimised for touch. Oh, and add to that a low wattage multi-channel DC linear PSU, for digital and small-signal work. Add a multi-arm monitor stand with VESA mounts to my workbench and we're good.[Rigol: If you're reading this, you can thank me later. With some free samples when they go into production]When I first saw how thin it was I had concerns that there would be a tendency for it to lean, or even topple over backwards, when physical buttons are pressed. I could envisage having to hold and stablise it with the other hand whilst operating it. However, the photo's that Simone has kindly uploaded show what appears to be quite a decent bracing action from the flip out legs.Would anyone who currently has one care to speak to how stable they find it on their desk when using the physical controls?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2023, 09:57:32 pm
content: QuoteYepp, very subjective.For me for example it´s very toy-style like owon or other cheapos from aliexpress.But if the inner values are right, it doesn't matter.We will soon find out whether that is the case.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2023, 02:12:32 am
content: Quote from: NE666 on September 11, 2023, 09:23:48 pmYes, the feet are big.The weight isn't specified in the manual but I imagine it's reasonably hefty with that big heatsink and the front metalwork.Edit: Datasheet says it's 1.78kg so, yeah, it's quite heavy...

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2023, 04:39:40 pm
content: Just received an email from Batterfly:"Hello, RIGOL has informed us we will get some early delivery of DHO800s and DHO900s .We should get the units by September the 22nd, as soon as they arrive your order will be shipped out with express delivery.We keep you posted, many thanks."

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2023, 08:16:41 pm
content: I received a marketing email from Rigol Technologies USA yesterday. Ordering in the US is now open. If you add one to your cart it currently says "Ships in 5-7 weeks"https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho800/https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho900/

author: ima hogg
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 04:06:39 am
content: Any reason not to pull the trigger on this and pickup a DHO924S and PLA2216?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 06:23:36 am
content: Quote from: ima hogg on September 15, 2023, 04:06:39 amDepends on what you're planning to do with it.

author: UK
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 07:54:38 am
content: Quote from: ima hogg on September 15, 2023, 04:06:39 amWhy not a 914S + cheap diy PLA2216 (with SN65LVDS391 drivers) ? you may save about a third of your budget

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 08:51:11 am
content: Hello, here is a first image of the DHO924S power by a power bank. Monday will record a video to see how long the unit will work with a full charge.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 01:49:25 pm
content: So cool...

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 02:04:31 pm
content: Quote from: simone.pignatti on September 15, 2023, 08:51:11 amIt's 36W consumption so you should be able to calculate it within 10-20% based on the capacity of your power bank.

author: JebCrag
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 05:53:03 pm
content: Hello, I've got an UltraAcquire mode question.I'm interested in getting a new scope (currently use a 1054z) and am considering the 924S as the feature list looks so appealing. I definitely want a segmented/deep memory mode to catch intermittent errors that I can't specifically trigger off, but I'm not sure from the user guide how this works on these scopes.Can anyone tell me whether this has a "typical" segmented memory mode (like on the rigol MSO2000 series I can use at work), where I could fill up the memory with a series of waveforms, and then cycle through them one by one? The user guide explains some interesting ways of displaying many signals next to each other, but I can't tell if I can select waveforms one by one, and ideally use the cursor or measure tools on them.Thanks!

author: ima hogg
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 08:10:15 pm
content: Quote from: UK on September 15, 2023, 07:54:38 amI think you just answered my next question: The PLA2216 is not totally passive, correct? It has some active components? 30 years ago, and I'd have DIY'ed that sucker in a heartbeat.Also, are you recommending the 914 over the 924 because I can "upgrade" it on my own? I'm happy to give them an honest $100 for the spec bump.Thanks!!...R

author: ima hogg
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 08:14:40 pm
content: To be clear, the DHO800/900 come with ASCII, I2C, and SPI decoding activated from the factory, i.e., no extra "option" to buy, correct?I got kind of an equivocal response from my vendor.Thanks!!

author: NE666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 08:18:10 pm
content: Quote from: JebCrag on September 15, 2023, 05:53:03 pmMy interpretation of the datasheet and user guide is - yes, segmented memory is supported and Rigol refer to their implementation in the DHO as "Waveform Recording" and "Navigation". The latter option allows you to step through the captured trigger frames, or jump to a specific frame number, and you can make cursor-based measurements when you're there. "Ultravision", I believe, is just Rigol's tradename for some of the fancy visualisations that allow you to see more than one frame at a time, superimposed in a variety of different ways. Probably fun just once, then you'll just use "Navigation", which probably works much like your MSO2000 (I've never used one myself).

author: NE666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 08:21:00 pm
content: Quote from: ima hogg on September 15, 2023, 08:14:40 pmYou are correct, there are no "extra" options that can be purchased.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 09:10:07 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 15, 2023, 01:49:25 pmWhst is so cool with it? Now instead of one piece of gear taking space on the bench you have two. And have to care about maintenance (charging) of the battery pack. Did not have enough things to do, now you do.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 10:41:42 pm
content: Quote from: JebCrag on September 15, 2023, 05:53:03 pmWatch this video, it shows it on the DHO4000/DHO1000 but the DHO800 seems to have the exact same features:nb. Physical 'scope deliveries don't start 'til the end of the month so I'm just reading the manual when I say that.

author: Veteran68
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 11:28:55 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 15, 2023, 09:10:07 pmI would think it obvious? You now have anoptionto be portable. You didn't have that with a mains plug powered scope (unless you want to haul around a generator or DC inverter). So worst case, you carry your USB-C power pack like you used to carry your IEC mains cable. But as another option, you just need a USB-C cable and a PD battery pack. It isn't FORCING you to use a battery pack, but it's a nice option to have. I fail to see how this isn't considered an added benefit.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 11:42:19 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 15, 2023, 09:10:07 pmThe shape.I left the powerbank in because there was no banana for scale. Does it help if I do this?

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 12:21:42 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 15, 2023, 10:41:42 pmIf it has that perspective segmented mode I'd consider buying it for that alone - could potentially pay for itself on one debug session!

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 01:20:09 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on September 16, 2023, 12:21:42 amThe DHO800 User Guide does mention the UltraAcquire Perspective mode.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 02:00:50 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on September 16, 2023, 12:21:42 amIt's definitely in the DHO800 manual.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 02:55:54 am
content: Quote from: gslick on September 16, 2023, 01:20:09 amWho wants to see 100 frames at once ?Surely they mean it can capture 100 frames < pitiful, SDS1104X-E can capture and playback 80k frames !

author: ledtester
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 07:58:04 am
content: Quote from: tautech on September 16, 2023, 02:55:54 amAt 2:55 in the video the guy says "Now we can record 500k frames of this data." This number is dependent on the sampling rate you configure.At around 4:47 it looks like you can choose any range of frames to build the visualization. The guy just happened to choose 100 frames and then pages through the recording in 100 frame blocks but it is clear from the UI that you are free to choose the start and end frame to be whatever you want for the visualization.Edit: I guess the manual says that you can use at most 100 frames to build a visualization.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 09:18:46 am
content: Quote from: tautech on September 16, 2023, 02:55:54 amTry watching the video, he captures 500k frames (on a DHO4000, which has more memory).What he means is that in that 3D visualization mode you only see 100 frames at once. You can scroll back and forth through the 500k but only see 100 at once.Please post screenshots of the SDS1104X-E 3D mode for comparison.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 09:39:56 am
content: Quote from: ledtester on September 16, 2023, 07:58:04 amThe sample rateandwindow size.Quote from: tautech on September 16, 2023, 02:55:54 amThe DHO800/900 can have 50MPts of memory which easily beats the 14Mpts in the Siglent.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 10:39:40 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 09:39:56 amWith all channels active ?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 11:23:42 am
content: Hehehe....

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 12:20:41 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on September 16, 2023, 10:39:40 amStop trying to move the goalposts. The task being discussed was using a single channel. The Rigol has more than 3x the memory for that task.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 12:22:36 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on September 16, 2023, 11:23:42 amAnd who knows, itmightbe able to have much more!It's the same firmware as the 4000-series so the limit will be defined in software.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 12:34:35 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 09:18:46 amYou are going to capture half a MILLION of screens, and then sift through 5000 screens with 100 captures each visually and find a problem just by looking at those.. Good luck with that.It is useless gimmick.Other scopes have visual overlap mode and animation mode because that is useful. 3D plot are useful and used widely but not this way..But that is not even the point. You are confusing segmented mode and UltraAck mode that are not the same..In segmented (record) mode it seem it can capture 100 of thousands of captures and then only animated play trough them. I UltraAcquire mode it can only get some 100 or 80 captures, show them and then resets and starts again..The UltraAcquire mode is not available when any of the following functions is enabled:cursors, decoding, Search, Zoom, Pass/Fail test, waveform recording, reference waveform,roll mode, slow sweep mode, and XY mode. To switch to the UltraAcquire mode, pleaseensure that all of those functions are disabled.

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 02:14:05 pm
content: well maybe not by visual inspection, but if the data in each of these 5000 "screens" could be saved to (usb-)disk, you could let the computer do it.If these scopes are as hackable as they promise to be, you can even write your own app that does the search on the oscilloscope and present it in a fancy window with all the bells and whistles you want.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 02:34:07 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 12:34:35 pmIf you bother to watch the video you'll see he types in how many frames to see at a time, in this case 100:Presumably he could type 1000, the manual doesn't mention a limit.By entering start/end values you could narrow it down very quickly to see a pulse and see what happened just before/after.There's also a "search" function at the top of that window but I'm not sure what it does yet.nb. You can view multiple channels simultaneously in 3D to see associated signals.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:03:31 pm
content: Quote from: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 02:14:05 pmSave to disk and analyze? You can do on any oscilloscope for many years now. We are discussing built in capabilities...As for "enhancing" the scope that worked so well for hundreds of people that said just that in many years so far...I hope that someone actually do that for once....So far, nobody did anything, except playing Doom and claiming the victory.. And scopes have been linux and with accessible OS for years now..

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:08:16 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 02:34:07 pmI'll leave presumptions to you. I prefer reading the facts. Documentation specifically states:Adjacent: A maximum of 100 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.Overlay: A maximum of 100 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.Waterfall: A maximum of 100 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.Perspective: A maximum of 100 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.Mosaic: A maximum of 80 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.Look. I suggest to you to wait for the scope to arrive before you pass the judgment. At this moment all that we know is suppositions and (probably not finished and flawed) documentation.Once your scope comes in, you will see how it works and what you can really do with it. Rigol might have not documented all it can do, or may have not (yet) implemented what they put in docs...When you have one you will be able to see real facts.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:11:41 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:03:31 pmHow many of them wereandroid with unobfuscated APKs?

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:13:42 pm
content: Just saving it is not the biggest problem.Saving and making your own algorithms for doing the analysis part is what I'm after.Thinkmachine learning, your own graphics instead of what the scopes deliver out of the box.I agree that we can and should do much more than only play a game.I'm unaware of a scope letting the end user make its own algorithms and graphics.Do you have an example?Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:03:31 pm

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:14:44 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 03:11:41 pmSeriously, Android is some magical thing that will write apps itself for you... Good to know...

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:17:23 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:14:44 pmWhile not android, butcan write androids apps ....

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:19:49 pm
content: Quote from: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 03:13:42 pmI don't understand.Fact that you have access to open Android is same as already dozens of scopes with open access to linux.Unless manufacturer gives you scope API you are left out to dry, and reverse engineer scope internals..AI analysis ? On a smartphone platform ?As for scopes that do give API and all needed to make custom apps, filters and such is LeCroy on it's high end platforms..

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:21:31 pm
content: Quote from: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 03:17:23 pmAha, ChatGPT... I understand now. Good luck with that..

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:30:16 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:14:44 pmIt means you don't have to write a complete new firmware from scratch.It means you can modify/replace individual objects in the firmware.

author: iMo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:31:19 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:21:31 pmAs a child I was often asked by my parents - "..and who will do it? .. dwarfs?"..

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:31:29 pm
content: It looks like these scopes are "more open" out of the box.An API is not really necessary, this forum is full of reverse engineering examples that transform closed parts to more open parts.I start in a modest way: signal analysis with machine learning. AI can come later (maybe upgraded models, but think out of the box: scope is connected to internet, sends the heavy lifting toa powerful cloud and GPU server ...).How many hobbyists can afford a LeCroy? Think in options: with all these smart script kiddies coming from the university into the workplace. They've been trained to automate everything ...Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:19:49 pm

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:46:02 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 03:30:16 pmYes.. Good luck with that.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:50:09 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:19:49 pmAn android APK isn't the same as a bunch of compiled binaries.Having an unobfuscated APK is almost the same as having the source code these days - see the screenshots in that link I gave you earlier for examples.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm
content: Quote from: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 03:31:29 pmThis forum is chock full of proof that dozens of people said same thing as you and went nowhere..It is industrial scale effort that needs both lot of knowledge and time.If you are the one that will succeed it would make me very happy for you and thousand of other people that will benefit from it.I feel like you are arguing with me thinking I am against it or that I think it should not be done.Quite the opposite. I'm rooting for you.It is just that it is not as easy as you think it is..And why are you suggesting I advocate for people to buy LeCroy instead of Rigol.You asked do I know any scopes that have API provided by manufacturer. I do, LeCroy.That is all..Or since you mentioned it, it can be a sign how "easy" is what you expect to do, if LeCroy can charge so much for it...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 04:03:50 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 03:50:09 pmAs someone who did reverse engineer industrial project for a machine control (from full source code in C) I bid you good luck.Only going through all the documentation (that was provided and well made)for APIs for all controller cards and peripherals took few months. Without it I would refuse the job.. Even with full source code for application.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 04:54:46 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmIt also has people that HAVE reverse engineered oscilloscopes from zeroandwritten new firmware for them.eg.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fnirsi-1013d-100mhz-tablet-oscilloscope/msg3938203/#msg3938203We'll see what happens, but these Rigols will need orders of magnitude less effort than other devices.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 05:32:34 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 04:54:46 pmLike I said, my best wishes for sucess!

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 06:11:00 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmYes, it can go both ways.Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmCheaper scopes will mean more people are able to get one.More people with appropriate schooling will mean more workpower and intellectual power, so more and more people can stand on the shoulders of people before them, thus easing the way for others.Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmI don't think I qualify or even have the energy for it. But I see young people at work that have a second nature to automate everything and get breakthrough in dossiers that have stood still for a long time.Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmNo, I don't think that, the only point where we have different estimations on how hard such a job would be.You have experience, I do not. But I see energy flowing when young people put their heart into something.I've studied mathematics and the adagium of the oldest mathematical society in the Netherlands was: Eenonvermoeide arbeid komt alles te boven(untiring labor conquers all).That spirit is engrained in my life.Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmSee aboveQuote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmI don't.Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmTrue point. I had an implicit thought about cheap scopes, because there is a lot of talk about he price of these scopes.Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmIdem ;-).Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pmI like your thinking.

author: Njk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 07:20:16 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:03:31 pmJust to be fair. Some years ago, here was Konnor user (AFAIR) who did develop entire framework for user's applications for DS1000z. That models are linux-free. Anyway the framework never gained traction here.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2023, 08:09:00 pm
content: Quote from: Njk on September 16, 2023, 07:20:16 pmYes Konnor did decompile the code, mapped modules etc.But this is something he did by decompiling specific FW version. In this case you can insert some of your code into memory and change pointers to point there... He even created sort of framework code to insert code into it.But this is kind of work that is similar to patching applications when you are circumventing licensing and hacking.Not something that is easy or common. Also he decompiled entry points but all that doesn't explain what is scope doing and how is data being datapumped from FPGA etc etc...This resulted with nobody ever used it. Because it is not easy and needs specialized knowledge..

author: Nikki Smith
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2023, 02:20:27 pm
content: Quote from: Nikki Smith on September 06, 2023, 11:06:07 amJust arrived safe and sound via UPS, and at least it boots!I've bought a £9 wall mount for it, although it is so slim that it doesn't take up much desk space anyway.It didn't have any plastic smell when I opened the box, which some users have reported.It came with the Lenovo 65W USB-C mains adaptor that takes a C5/Clover Leaf plug, a US mains cable and a UK-US plug adaptor.It cost me £316 incl shipping from AliExpress so far, but I'm waiting for the customs invoice from UPS. Don't know what value the seller declared it as.Update 26/Oct: never did get a customs invoice, so that makes it even more of a bargain

author: JebCrag
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 19, 2023, 12:55:03 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 12:34:35 pmThanks everyone for the points on this mode - I had assumed that ultraacquire was Rigol's name for segmented memory. Now I see it clearly spelled out in the manual (p. 200) that it has the record functions I'm looking for.Now I just need to be patient until my local vendor gets stock.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2023, 01:44:10 pm
content: Quote from: JebCrag on September 19, 2023, 12:55:03 pmAre you sure?Make sure to check what can you DO with record mode. On other scopes that support segmented mode, you can do math, measure, decode etc. from segmented captures. It is not clear yet what can you do on DHO800/900 with recorded waveforms except looking at them. For instance DS1000Z had recording mode that did not allow you to do anything except looking at it screen by screen..It seems that Rigol uses name UltraAcquire for some type of segmented mode. In that mode many of features are not available at capture time. When captured, it has Navigate segments window that allows you to look at captured stuff through some fancy display modes by (EDIT)time, frame number and there is some kind of search that nobody seems to talk about.Actually read a manual again and in UltraAcquire mode only navigation available is Navigate by Frame Segment. (EDIT)On the other hand you have Waveform Recording mode that only allows you to playback captures (trigger events) one by one or animated.There is no clarification that you can do search or decode or anything in this mode...Everybody keeps being euphoric about all kinds of stuff but nobody seems to talk about if this scope actually can do any proper analysis with this two modes...If I were you I would wait until someone gets one and proves it actually can do a job for you. Maybe it does, but documentation is not helpful at all and nobody actually tested it yet..

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 20, 2023, 11:29:39 am
content: Prices have changed on the Rigol website:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigols-new-dho800-oscilloscope-unbox-teardown/msg5069599/#msg5069599

author: daveyk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2023, 03:41:17 pm
content: Is there a 300MHz version?

author: Mortymore
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2023, 04:34:48 pm
content: DHO800 up to 100MHzDHO900 up to 250MHzhttps://www.rigol.eu/products/oscillosopes.html(oscillosopes)

author: Nikki Smith
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2023, 04:18:06 pm
content: Got my new scope fitted on a cheap monitor/TV wall mounted swing armIt came with 4x small standoffs so there is still good airflow at the back.I'm thinking about some 3D-printed clips/holders for the probes. Perhaps 2 probes on the left+right sides of the scope? Can you recommend a design that works well?Not sure what the best way to attach the 3D prints to the case of the scope.

author: Uksa007
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2023, 07:03:04 am
content: Quote from: Nikki Smith on September 18, 2023, 02:20:27 pmHi,How did you find the Aliexpress seller, did you use Jiutian Instrument Store?What is the story with warranty, send it back to china?The Australia tax it is bit hard to swallow, AU $194.95 or 23% differenceOnly real difference seems to be local warranty(assuming they don't go broke) there doesn't seem to be any manufacturer office here so would be back to china in that case I guess.DHO804Aliexpress inc AU tax and shipping US $419.34 = AU $650.95Local inc tax and shipping AU $845.90

author: Nikki Smith
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2023, 08:11:30 am
content: Quote from: Uksa007 on September 23, 2023, 07:03:04 amYes, no problems with that AliExpress seller. Fast to reply to messages. I was nervous that it took a week to mark it as shipped, but then once shipped UPS was quick.No idea about the warranty? I could try Rigol UK/EU since it is their product, and it shouldn't matter where in the world you buy it from. To be honest I'll be hacking the scope (firmware and hardware) so my warranty will be void anyway!Quote from: Uksa007 on September 23, 2023, 07:03:04 amSimilar to the UK

author: Uksa007
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2023, 08:33:48 am
content: Quote from: Nikki Smith on September 23, 2023, 08:11:30 amRigol are notoriously difficult with warranty, there is no Rigol international warranty, if you don't buy it from the local distributor it would be unlikely they will want to help.There is no Rigol office in the UK, just a distributor same as here.https://int.rigol.com/contact/infoIn fact the there are no UK distributors listed so who knows if they are legit or not.https://int.rigol.com/contact/where-to-buyI guess that's the extra $194, roll the dice and if you have issues hope the Aliexpress seller will help, they have been around for 8 Years, so somewhat positive I guess.For completeness This is what the Aliexpress Seller said when asked about the warranty which seems reasonable."3 years warranty, If it has something wrong during warranty, you can send it back to us. The buyer pays for the returning shipping cost and we will pay for the sending shipping cost"

author: .RC.
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2023, 08:57:21 am
content: Quote from: Uksa007 on September 23, 2023, 07:03:04 amAliexpress to me is quoting AU$630 delivered + GST for a DHO804Which is the exact same price a SDS1104X-E from the local dealer who must have old stock they are trying to sell as it should be more then that.If I did not get a 1104X-E six months ago I would maybe be getting a DHO804, although it not yet proven longevity wise, the only other worry is would it arrive, but I have only had one item not arrive from Ali Express from out of maybe 40 purchases and got a refund since it was obvious they never sent it anyway by the dodgy tracking number. But to me AU$700 is a fair chunk of money to risk direct from China. But I did buy a $400 solar pump direct from Ali Express and it turned up fine.

author: Uksa007
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2023, 09:33:21 am
content: Quote from: .RC. on September 23, 2023, 08:57:21 amI wouldn't be too worried about it arriving, aliexpress, paypal and credit card all have protections to cover that, so you would have three layers of protection.The risk for me is if it arrives damaged from shipping: warranty won't apply, doubtful aliexpress, paypal and credit card won't want to know about it.You would be left to fight it out with the seller, is there insurance on the shipping doubtful?If it fails in warranty period, have to hope seller is still around, and the cost to ship to back to china would be high.I guess that is the dice you roll if you want to save 23%?

author: turmoni
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 23, 2023, 10:22:46 pm
content: Quote from: Uksa007 on September 23, 2023, 08:33:48 amEuropean distributors are listed onhttps://www.rigol.eu/En/Index/listView/catid/82.html, and Telonic is listed there for the UK.

author: Njk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 12:43:35 pm
content: Quote from: Uksa007 on September 23, 2023, 08:33:48 amIn my case, the warranty claim was accepted and the unit was fixed despite it was purchased not from local dealer. But here is a local Rigol rep so no international shipping was necessary.

author: dmulligan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 06:35:48 pm
content: I wonder when we will start to hear feedback from actual users as well as other reviewers. It sounds like shipping will start around October 16th in Canada, it's unclear if those will be the first units going out or the current end of the queue.When will vendors start shipping DSO800/900 within North America and Europe?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2023, 09:12:23 pm
content: Hmmm, seems it could last longer than expected...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 26, 2023, 05:51:19 pm
content: QuoteMaybe not after all.I had received an answer from Batronix today that they still assume the next week, that they have not heard anything to the contrary to date.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 26, 2023, 07:13:34 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on September 26, 2023, 05:51:19 pmBatterfly told me they'd be receiving units on September 22 but I haven't heard anything yet.

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 26, 2023, 09:01:38 pm
content: Just got an email from Saelig about the DSO800/DS900:Quote

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 26, 2023, 09:09:23 pm
content: Aha...Batronix won´t give any discountfor this.

author: Veteran68
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 26, 2023, 09:43:47 pm
content: Quote from: mwb1100 on September 26, 2023, 09:01:38 pmYeah I got that email too, but the code doesn't work yet. At least not with the DHO914S.Sorry, this is an Invalid coupon codeThe eevBlog discount code does still work for 6% off.

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 26, 2023, 10:36:42 pm
content: Quote from: Veteran68 on September 26, 2023, 09:43:47 pmSame for DHO804. Not a huge difference between the two coupons, but 5 bucks is 5 bucks. I'll be super surprised (shocked even) if the coupons stack, but that would be awesome: DHO804 for the price of a DS1054Z.

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 27, 2023, 05:54:19 pm
content: Quote from: mwb1100 on September 26, 2023, 10:36:42 pmSaelig RIG1023 discount code appears to be live this morning, Sept 27, 2023. No, I didn't actually place an order myself.

author: newbie99
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 28, 2023, 08:19:26 pm
content: Coupon code worked this afternoon (9/28) for me! $27.93 off of the DHO804. Can't beat no tax and free shipping with a discount!

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2023, 09:02:16 pm
content: $42 is a decent discount.

author: oldbrokenrecord
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 01:44:27 pm
content: coupon code RIG1023 did not work for mewhat is the eevblog coupon code?

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2023, 07:16:40 pm
content: Quote from: oldbrokenrecord on September 30, 2023, 01:44:27 pmIt's a Saelig specific discount - are you using it onhttps://www.saelig.com?It might only work in the USA?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2023, 09:59:52 pm
content: This week is the week my rigol should arrive...I am curious whether batronix can keep the announcement, my feeling says no.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2023, 08:50:18 pm
content: On their website they have adjusted the delivery time, 1-4 days for the 2-channel variant.21-40 days for the 4-channel...I hope this will not be true.Also funny:The 100Mhz 2-channel costs the same as the 70Mhz 4-channel model....

author: JOSM
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2023, 05:57:26 am
content: I have ordered a DHO812 on Sep 12 from rigolshop.eu.Two days ago I received the shipment anouncement e-mail. According to DPD tracking it is shipped from Hamburg. Delivery is sheduled for Oct 4 or 5.[Update Oct 4, 10:00]Parcel arrivedI am about to test it out now.

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2023, 01:19:01 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 03, 2023, 08:50:18 pmQuite heavy EU pricing, comparing it to "Saelig" in the USA, precarious name, "Saelig" with ae... "ae" usually resamples the old norse letter Æ.. - seems the word "Saelig" does originate from the old Danish norse "Sælig"back when most of England was called Danelaw, & part of Denmark...while the Æ-letter went out of the English alphabet in the 1300 century, and was exchanged for AE..."Sælig" means happy or blessed, - no wonder with those low prices.Cheapest US = 278 US (Saelig's coupon price)EU 460 US (DK) +65% (=436EU Batronix)hmm, just a little tax on top(+65%) though I'm not familiar with the US, maybe some local state tax, is added later, on top of those blessed Saelig prices.At Aliexpress the exampled DHO802 seems to go for 310 US to DK, with incl. shipping and risk some VAT/tax on top, depending on what they had declared it at, but no wonder that many here in Europe go down that import path. ..if you buy from Aliexpress..coupon "OT14" will take 14 US off (+120US) and "OT6" =6US (+50)Quote- for the 4ch. DHO804 "Batterfly" seems to operate with a minor discount.(15 Euro)However, Im not in the market for another scope, more like a wavelength/spectrometer - but those are still quite expensive..not much evolvement on that particular meter segment with otherwise quite dated CCD sensors..Generally, when comparing US vs EU prices it tends to be around 1US = 1EU + your regional VAT and the euro is around +5% higher than the dollar atm.Also seems to be the case with other models' like DHO1072 which cost = 699US in NA and 699 euro in EU + VAT., so quite inflated DHO802 pricing in Europe atm

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2023, 09:45:32 am
content: DHO914S Europe delivery date I got is Oct 25

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2023, 12:21:28 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 03, 2023, 08:50:18 pm4...5 Days left.

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2023, 01:45:42 pm
content: Some models are indeed already in stock in EuropeDHO914 and DHO924 are in stock. (also DHO804)longer delivery time for those 'S' models... Nov 1 ?edit: current best case is shipping Oct 11 for me.edit: received the DHO914S on Oct 17 from eleshop.eu

author: Malmen
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2023, 01:47:38 pm
content: I got my 804 from Rigol Shop EU yesterday 5th oct.

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2023, 01:59:09 pm
content: For my DHO 942S, Batronix mailed on 27 Sept: "We expect them by the end of next week".Still no notification of dispatch ...

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2023, 04:49:09 pm
content: RIGOL USA currently shows that of Oct 6, 2023 that the DHO802, DHO812, DHO814, DHO914, DHO914S, and DHO924 are in stock. Only the DHO804 and DHO924S are not in stock. I have no experience ordering anything directly from RIGOL USA myself.https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho800/https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho900/

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2023, 08:15:25 pm
content: Quote from: gslick on October 06, 2023, 04:49:09 pmNot the 804?They're trying to sell the more expensive DHO814 to the impatient...

author: pdeal
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2023, 10:30:24 pm
content: I have a 914s on order from Rigol North America. It’s been shipped and is supposed to be here Tuesday 10/10. I also ordered one of the ebay after market logic probes.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2023, 10:33:18 pm
content: Quote from: gslick on October 06, 2023, 04:49:09 pmI bought my 914S directly from that site and they delivered it about two weeks before their estimate.

author: mastershake
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2023, 12:36:49 pm
content: so what is the eevblog SAELIG code?

author: gslick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2023, 05:34:16 pm
content: Quote from: mastershake on October 07, 2023, 12:36:49 pmScroll back a little bit earlier in this thread. The current Rigol specific 7% discount code athttps://www.saelig.comis RIG1023. That code is supposed to expire on October 31,2023.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/msg5082256/#msg5082256The generic Saelig eevBlog discount code is less, at 6% discount. Request it here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/equipment-discounts-from-saelig/

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2023, 07:15:12 am
content: Batronix mailed a few moments ago, "your order is ready for shipment".

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2023, 07:44:54 am
content: Same here...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2023, 08:17:10 pm
content: Batronix now marked the DHO804 and DHO914 as on stock, "my" 804 has been shipped today.With luck it will arrive tomorrow or wednesday.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2023, 09:24:19 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 09, 2023, 08:17:10 pmI haven't heard anything from Batterfly yet.Looks like you win!

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2023, 09:35:16 pm
content: We have no competition...I'm surprised about Batterfly, they work together with Batronix.But who knows how that works, with the allocation of available goods.If my scope arrives soon, it will remain untouched until at least next weekend anyway, because there is no time before then.Then it will be tested, my own tests and those suggested to me, then we will see how far the scope can be hacked and at some point I will sell it again.Or it's so good, I'll keep it as a sort of second scope for quick measurements in between.That is not yet decided.

author: LonnieU
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 09, 2023, 10:49:24 pm
content: Got an email awhile ago from Saelig USA that my 924 had shipped today.Of course UPS shows "your shipping label has been created"

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2023, 06:29:54 am
content: I was hoping to buy a DHO804 once they become available from the official Finnish distributor (iosignal.fi, 495€ including VAT, local and reputable, thus easier to deal with if stuff happens), but life intervened, and I ran out of funds. I'd love to play with the innards at least as much as use it as a tool to inspect my microcontroller projects' signaling behaviour.I bet once I get back on track, these have become unobtainium or because of space aliens the price doubled. It'd be just my luck.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2023, 01:39:33 pm
content: Batterfly just wrote me to say mine is shipping today!Update: I got a DHL tracking number.

author: dmulligan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2023, 02:38:14 pm
content: You folks are lucky. I just got an email saying my expected October 16th ship date has been delayed until October 20th.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2023, 05:34:07 pm
content: Tadaaa...

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2023, 05:47:58 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on October 10, 2023, 06:29:54 amLooking at the quickly growing bug list, I think your chances of obtaining a unit once you are ready are not that bad.I'm still waiting to pull the trigger. I want one (if only for the cute form factor and portability); but I am not sure whether I want to spend extra money for the AWG/Bode plot and the digital inputs before they kind of work.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2023, 05:54:55 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 10, 2023, 05:34:07 pmNice!

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2023, 05:35:52 pm
content: Bad news, the scope still didn't arrive. Contacted Batronix and DHL: it seems adress details are not right and Batronix should start up an en query procedure. That will take time, there is no current stock. I'm thinking of canceling all the bugs make me nervous.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2023, 06:19:25 pm
content: Which did you ordered ?804 is on stock..

author: RAPo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2023, 06:54:03 pm
content: The DHO 942S.Quote from: Martin72 on October 17, 2023, 06:19:25 pm

author: Bzzz
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2023, 08:01:31 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on September 26, 2023, 09:09:23 pmThey might give you a tenner off if you're an existing customer and a little less on certain payment methods. While that is very nice (thank you Joel), it's obviously not a big discount in relative terms. I'm guessing these will sell like hotcakes for quite a while, so don't expect them to drop below the current price point anytime soon. Maybe don't even expect them to be in stock all the time, currently only the 804 is available and 802, 812 and 814 plus all 900s are about a week away. If you want one: Now is the time (especially if you already got an older scope that needs to be sold before more 12 bit equipment hits the market and prices plummet)Mine arrived last Saturday (Packstation) and I picked it up yesterday. Couple of display and networking bugs, USB port in the back is a bit tight, and USB-PD via my office monitor makes it boot, but the unit turns off the very moment the main menu appears. Overall very satisfied with the unit, though. Still looking for a suitable VESA mount for the bench.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2023, 08:22:34 pm
content: QuoteI've been a regular customer there for a few years, I'm sure I've already left a 5-digit sum there, and I've made a significant contribution to their success with the demo board - but in this case there was nothing I could do, they stayed firm.On the other hand, the usual 5% on 474€...Given.QuoteI already got one:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho804-test-and-compare-thread/

author: Bzzz
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2023, 08:35:02 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 17, 2023, 08:22:34 pmI know

author: keenox
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2023, 04:38:01 pm
content: If anyone wants to get one from Batterfly, I got a small discount coupon from them: DHODIS

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2023, 04:42:55 pm
content: "Code is invalid or expired."

author: keenox
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2023, 07:12:19 pm
content: I think it may only work on the DHO924S, that's what I asked them for. I just tested it now and it works, from 950 to 922 euros (not much).

author: jerrymk
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 23, 2023, 10:02:23 pm
content: It's less than 299USD for the 4 channel one since Oct. 24 for the 1111 (Nov. 11) sale, was 315USD regularly in China.Not as much of a discount as I hoped...Other stuff (sig gens and power supplies) on Rigol's shop is roughly 16% off (50RMB discount for every 300RMB spent)

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2023, 11:07:32 pm
content: Quote from: jerrymk on October 23, 2023, 10:02:23 pmUnder $299 for a DHO804??That's the greatest oscilloscope bargain ever.

author: jerrymk
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 24, 2023, 11:18:44 am
content: Also, free shipping to doorstep from China to Taiwan. Probably have to pay 5% import taxes though. Still, an absolute bargain indeed!Considered the DHO900S, but at over double the price, all I get is a sig gen that can do Bode plots, but with pretty bad specs, an LA port that I'll probably never use cuz the probes, and an official 125MHz/250MHz spec at the same 1.25GSa/s sample rate... yeah forget about it.Also, one of their notable sale offers (according to them) is the fully upgraded MSO5074 with LA probes for 1278USD. Costs slightly more than a base unit + LA probes, but you don't have to hack it yourself. Nah.

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2023, 11:28:59 am
content: I think every time someone adds a bug/requested feature to the list here in EEVblog, Rigol cuts $5 in the DHO prices...People will have to buy this scope! Some of them just don't know it yet!

author: wolframore
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 05, 2023, 07:54:53 pm
content: Thanks for the review, my order for the DHO804 has been sent to Tequipment since they have education discount.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2023, 11:04:19 am
content: Quote from: jerrymk on October 24, 2023, 11:18:44 amwhile looking for other brand MSO, i noticed DHO804 already reduced price since my purchase. i purchased early october at USD387.05 now its only USD358 nutshttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006140347160.htmlthere is 90% hope DHO804 can be upgraded to DHO924S (with sig gen and LA probe) at much cheaper cost.. ymmv.

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 05:08:35 am
content: Just an FYI: I got an email today from Saelig saying that Rigol is raising prices on DHO800/900 Feb 15 (prices rounded up $1 to nearest ten):Code:CurrentPrice 15 Feb 2024-------- ------------DHO802 $300 $330 // +30DHO804 $400 $440 // +40DHO812 $400 $440 // +40DHO814 $500 $550 // +50DHO914 $600 $660 // +60DHO914S $700 $770 // +70DHO924 $700 $770 // +70DHO924S $800 $900 // +100Basically a 10% hike.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 09:17:25 am
content: That's surprising in view of the imminent competition from Siglent's SDS800X HD series. (To be released in Western markets before March 1st, as rumors have it.) Let's see what price point Siglent will set, and whether Rigol can stick with their 10% increase then.Edit: Maybe the idea is to create some leeway in the margins, so they can then respond to the Siglent competition with "special discounts"?

author: Pinkus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 11:35:10 am
content: At the very least, it will lead to additional sales in the short term for all those who are currently considering it. These customers are then lost to Siglent for the time being.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2024, 11:48:00 pm
content: Quote from: Pinkus on February 08, 2024, 11:35:10 ammy thought too, 1 week panic buying. when price increased, siglent then can also up a little bit its opening price, when its published, rigol then can lower the price again... this price manipulation strategy is a bit funny to me though, price fluctuation for no apparent reason.

author: Jato
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2024, 02:38:20 pm
content: Anybody have any idea when the DHO804 will be available with EU (Poland) delivery at a maximum price of $399? On BangGood it is not available, and it was at a good price, the same amazon.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2024, 03:37:16 pm
content: Quote from: Jato on October 30, 2024, 02:38:20 pmThey're 399 Euros plus tax here. If you can avoid the tax then that's the price.Probably not ever going to go down to China prices.

author: magic_smoke
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 21, 2024, 07:35:46 pm
content: There is actually a black friday sale right now on many Rigols. DHO804 appears to be less than 350 euros in EU sellers.https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B0CGHQHQN7https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/testandmeasurement/oscilloscopi/rigol-dho804-->> can be combined with BN10 coupon code for an additional 10%https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rigol-DHO804.htmlNewbie question: dho804 is substantially cheaper than SDS804X right now. Given ones interest in bode plots, is Rigol a viable option?

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2024, 07:50:10 pm
content: If you want Bode plots, you need a unit with built-in generator or interface to an external generator.As I have pointed out since last year, I found the Bode plot function on a DHO914S (the "S" means it contains a generator) to be so inaccurate on a simple circuit as to be useless.I will judge new firmware when it becomes available. So far, the release notes have ignored Bode plot issues.The math functions listed for the 800 series in the current manual do not include Bode plot, and I don't believe they have a built-in generator in that series.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2024, 08:34:08 pm
content: Quote from: magic_smoke on November 21, 2024, 07:35:46 pmWhile there are pros and cons for the DHO804 vs. SDS804X HD, that particular question has a clear answer: The DHO800 series cannot do automated Bode plots at all. It does not have a built-in signal generator, and Rigol does not support controlling external signal generators in any of their scopes.In contrast, the Siglent SDS...X HD scopes can control external generators and use them to acquire Bode plots automatically. Only Siglent generators are supported off-the-shelf (and are decent value for money); there's also an open source "translation" software which lets you control some low-cost 3rd party generators.You can also get a dedicated signal generator module for the SDS800X HD, the SAG1021I. It is connected via USB, does not have any user controls and is controlled via the scope. But I would recommend an external generator since it offers better value for money: Can be used separately and more flexibly, and most of them provide two output channels.

author: RogerG
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2024, 01:15:29 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on November 21, 2024, 07:50:10 pmItisavailable now:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-new-firmware-1-03/msg5723047/#msg5723047

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2024, 02:26:50 pm
content: There is no mention in the release notes of improvements to faulty Bode plot function software.I'll try to download and check before the end of November--otherwise I'm busy.