EEVblog #870 - Shonky Z-Energeia Energy Saving Wipes - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 12:53:18 am
content: Join Dave as he laughs at the shonkiest product of 2016The Z-Energeia energy saving wipes. Just wipe them on your mains fuse box and save up to 20% on your energy bill thanks to the Electron Vibration Alignment Field!

author: Synthetase
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:18:46 am
content: Heh, with winter coming, I should get some and wipe over all the electric heaters so they don't 'waste' energy as heat. I'm sure my housemates would thank me for helping out

author: iromero
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:23:58 am
content: Wow, I'd have thought this was an April Fool's joke.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:29:27 am
content: When I first saw the advertising video, I couldn't breathe for about half a minute - I was laughing that hard.To call this product Bullshit is being far too kind. Even George Carlin's words - as brilliant as they were - lacked the intensity this 'product' deserves.As for the Battery Maximizer - I'm wondering if Batteroo might be interested in a partnership.....

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:30:35 am
content: Vibration Alignment Field! It is magic!

author: RobertoLG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:33:27 am
content: Dave you are the king of the facesthanks for the good laugh

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:50:35 am
content: Whenever an otherwise functional person tries to explain how they believe in this kind of crap it forces me to remember that we are all just big chimpanzees.Just keep in mind that magic power meter wipes are no different than feng shui, or magic underwear, or zombie jesus crackers. And we all know someone that not only believes in that crap but will aggressively defend that belief.

author: Radio Tech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:55:03 am
content: I heard on the internet if it is posted on the internet it has to be true. They cannot post anything on the internet that is not true.

author: Nerull
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:59:22 am
content: Since this stuff can alter the resistance of conductors in an entire house by simply being smeared somewhere in the vicinity, imagine if you brought this stuff into a calibration lab. The calibration on everything in the building would be ruined.

author: RobertoLG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:06:20 am
content: Quote from: Radio Tech on April 19, 2016, 01:55:03 amhey, you need some wipes for your radios man, and they get some zebauw watts of power!!!

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:07:08 am
content: Quote from: Nerull on April 19, 2016, 01:59:22 amCue the 'We're being attacked by 'Big Calibration' and 'Big Power' because out product will cause them to lose money!" claims.For anyone wondering about this - the calibration labs and power companies will be laughing just as hard as we are.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:09:49 am
content: Quote from: RobertoLG on April 19, 2016, 02:06:20 amWill the EVA field affect radio transmissions? Will it turn a simple5/8antenna into a beam?

author: Nerull
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:12:07 am
content: Imagine what it does to antenna impedance.

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:15:03 am
content: I have a magnet you can apply to your car's fuel lines to align the gasoline molecules for optimal efficiency. It increased my MPG by 25% and my performance by 800%. I'm still looking for one of those tornado airflow things, if I stick one of those in there and then use this product on the electrical system, as I drive, my gas tank will fill up, that's how awesomely efficient my car will become!

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:15:36 am
content: Quote from: Nerull on April 19, 2016, 02:12:07 amMaybe even get an SWR of 0.9:1!!!

author: RobertoLG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:15:56 am
content: yeah, just wipe the 50ohm cables and bang! no reflections and other issues, and imagine what it could do with scopes!

author: Razor512
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:53:35 am
content: I save money on my electric bill by pouring a mixture of liquid hydrogen, salt, and metal filings into the circuit breaker.Doing this scares the electrons into behaving properly, and thus fewer electrons are wasted.This process also provides a number of other benefits. The liquid hydrogen helps to transport the metal filings deep into the circuit breaker, and as it evaporates, the hydrogen forms a protective barrier which prevents the internal components from corroding, this provides a safe working environment for the electrons.Remember, a safe electron, is a happy electron, and a happy electron will work harder for you, thus you will not need as many to run your appliances. Furthermore, the coating of metal filings will provide the electrons with more space to work (think of it like a company expanding an office, and giving everyone larger cubicles, and more comfy chairs).

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 03:13:31 am
content: Gotta love the psychopathic little sh!ts that come up with schemes like this.

author: n3vti
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 03:50:18 am
content: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY...This will go great with my Batterizer!What will they come up with next?Oh wait...

author: timelessbeing
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 04:22:37 am
content: I don't get it.I think someone was having a slow day at the office. 17:00 of video, for this shooting fish in a barrel?I like debunking vids as much as the next guy, but can't you pick something that's actually worth investigating?

author: calin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 04:28:28 am
content: OMG .. I am laughing with tears

author: RobertoLG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 04:39:01 am
content: Quote from: timelessbeing on April 19, 2016, 04:22:37 amdon't you like to have a laugh from time to time?

author: boffin
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 04:47:08 am
content: I suspect the rag is just infused withIonized Microcluster Alkaline Water(and no, I'm not making that up either)

author: Nerull
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 05:29:51 am
content: Quote from: Razor512 on April 19, 2016, 02:53:35 amYou should try liquid oxygen. Combined with those metal fillings, the electrons will be absolutely terrified. (As will anyone else within minimum safe distance).I hear Triton is selling it cheap now.

author: kalleboo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 05:34:27 am
content: BRB, I'm off to start an Indiegogo and make a few hundred thousand...

author: Barny
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 05:50:59 am
content: I have one of this cupboard type fuse boxes with integrated electricity meter.Which of the two 1,5m high swing doors do I have to swipe first?Do I have to wipe the whole thing for getting the effekt or do I hafe the old trusty magnets on the electricity meter?Dave, there is an measureable effekt on the fusebox.After swipeing, the fusebox is clean again.I think the main goal is to make it inpossible to read the labels of the fuses.

author: timelessbeing
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 05:51:43 am
content: Quote from: RobertoLG on April 19, 2016, 04:39:01 amYes, if something is funny. If I saw the product hanging on a shelf, I would smirk a bit, but there are thousands like it out there. Flogging this pony for a quarter of an hour is kindaNow when Dave receives adult items in the mail, THAT is amusing.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:14:47 am
content: Well that's just patently ridiculous, utter snake oil.Everyone knows ELectron Vibrational Alignment fields only work on HiFi, to enhance the aural perception field which makes the sound more immediate and real.I wiped one of their cloths on my FM stereo when it was playing Kylie Minogue and I now have a diminutive Aussie songstress in my living room.Of course I'd love to keep her but she's eating all my specially imported Tim Tams and it's costing me a fortune.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:19:28 am
content: I think someone's being doing some EVA without the helmet.Whhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!Apologies to NASA

author: IanJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:19:31 am
content: So who is behind z-energeia website............?Answer:http://whois.domaintools.com/zenergeia.sg

author: DH2ID
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:53:17 am
content: I tried it here in Germany, and nooooo it didn't work! Dave's right!But the I remembered: We're on the other side of the globe!CORIOLIS EFFECT!So I wiped from rigt to left, and - yea - it WORKS!I took my microskope and looked at the electrons climbing along a blank wire:They where totally confused at first, running this way and that.Oh, and there are red ones, coming from atomic piles, and green ones from windparks! WIN!THEN I WIPED FROM RIGT TO LEFT AND WHOAAAAAA!IT WORKED!ALL THE ELECTRONS ARE MARCHING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTON AND NO LOSSES ANYMORE!Now I will try this on my amateur radio equipment...73 from up above,Alex DH2ID

author: DH2ID
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:55:45 am
content: In the heat of my discovery I lost the h in right, sorry ...

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 07:34:37 am
content: Excellent invention!Alexander.

author: lapm
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 12:43:21 pm
content: Too bad Dave didint get to release this first day, would have been perfect april fools day video...

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:09:09 pm
content: Quote from: IanJ on April 19, 2016, 06:19:31 amFrom IanJ link:https://sg.linkedin.com/in/steve-siaw-0177a376Quote

author: R_Gtx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:19:29 pm
content: Dave, needs to learn how to use google:http://nsrt.com.sg/wp/our-technology/http://fireextinguisherchennai.com/search/Electron-Vibration-AlignmentI guess thisbullshitinnovative product is a spinoff from Proton vibration alignment fields:http://www.protonalignment.com/index.htmhttp://www.projectiondreams.com/media/sp-sound-power-flyer-jan-2013-.pdf

author: WarSim
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 01:47:25 pm
content: This is not the first time I have seen this product.A mail order product very similar to this was sold here in Canada in the early 1990s. BTW it was "Made in the USA".Only reason I knew about it then was because I knew a person who fell for it. After his evangelizing praise pitch, all I could say is, your fuse box sure is clean. Likely I was still hurting from choking back my laughing fits.From what I have seen the praise of such a product peeks right after purchase and dies off when there is so much contrary proof that they either blame the product or themselves.Wonder who will try selling this next decade.Thanks for sharing this video.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:09:19 pm
content: These are about as effective as man caused global warming is real.

author: W8LV
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:14:43 pm
content: Talk about poor customer service...you can’t even contact them! AlI I got was the following reply when I tried to contact them: “Failed to send your message. Please try later or contact the administrator by another method.”Message:I have been thinking about buying your product for some time now, but I have a concern that standing too close to the circuit box while straightening out the energy field might be somewhat dangerous in my case: This is because for years, my left testicle has been hanging down lower than my right one. Is it possible that this product will cause an energy field so powerfully aligned that it could cause my right testicle to do the same thing? Or to keep this from becoming worse, should I wear insulated shoes and a hard hat when I wipe my mains box with the z-energia product, or can I just wear regular shoes and straight away skip the hard hat? To keep this anonymous, as I am somewhat embarrassed by this inquiry, I would appreciate it if you would address this testicular issue in the FAQ'S on your website. I am certain that many others are holding off on buying the product out of the same concern.Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

author: oldway
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:19:15 pm
content: Dave lost a few minutes to make us laugh with this so-called scientific stupidity, but nothing new under the stars.In Brazil, people of little instruction believe that a 1.5 liter bottle of water above the power meter will reduce the electricity bill.The funny thing is that engineers in Brazil have lost their time to check if it is true or not ...https://periodicos.ufsc.br/index.php/fisica/article/view/10003/14545See the experimental setup with 8 bottles page 60

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 02:26:40 pm
content: My device, is guaranteed to cut (paper) electricity bills, by 50%.

author: max_torque
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 03:14:53 pm
content: Quote from: Synthetase on April 19, 2016, 01:18:46 amer, electric heater trend to be resistive, so if you "wipe" them and reduce their resistance you'll also get less heat out, which will rather ruin things....... ;-)

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 03:37:53 pm
content: Quote from: max_torque on April 19, 2016, 03:14:53 pmWhoosh.

author: wolf32d
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 03:49:16 pm
content: Quote from: rolycat on April 19, 2016, 03:37:53 pmLOL now I understand why my experimental superconducting electric heater doesn't work... besides all that liquid He is chilling my room a tad too much

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 04:26:10 pm
content: I'm tempted to buy a pack just so I can see what will happen if I wipe the breaker box in a circular motion, black hole or tornado?As for the 'power saver' plugs I know someone who bought one, he swore that it worked until I went along to his house with a mains test set and showed the difference the device made. There WAS a reduction in power consumption, about 1mA @230V AC so he should get his money back in a hundred years or so. The crazy thing is that this guy was an electronics engineer who designed and built defense equipment for a living.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 04:42:14 pm
content: If i use it to wipe my rear, would it promote better Chi circulation in my body?Left to right swipe may be difficult, i will go with South-North motion.

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:12:22 pm
content: Can someone buy a pack and send them to a Dairy Farmer ?I want to see if they remove bullshit as well as they apply it.According to their Facebook page, an entire 3 hardware stores stock their product.

author: ccs46
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:40:10 pm
content: Here we go again...I set it up to let me know if their website changes at all, if they go back on anything.

author: Lamp
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:46:22 pm
content: When i watched this video, it was at 6 views and there was one dislike already but no likes...

author: Lamp
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:51:43 pm
content: Hey I know what this product is actually for! It's a way to get idiots to clean their dirty electrical distribution panels.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:55:09 pm
content: Quote from: Lamp on April 19, 2016, 06:46:22 pmYep. Dave has a load of Youtube "followers" who instantly dislike all his videos as soon as he posts them.

author: jazz
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 07:29:18 pm
content: Wow, I didn't know Dave was going to do react videos now!

author: djQUAN
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 07:54:30 pm
content: If you got a kick out of that, you'll enjoy this.I'll just leave the pictures here and no explaining necessary.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 08:51:12 pm
content: QuoteObviously they forgot to wipe their modem this month and as such it is clogged with emails. Duh!

author: ftonello
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 08:55:04 pm
content: This is not funny since someone can buy it. If this is real, we cannot judge buyers with their lack of knowledge. Imagine a older relative buying this thing and show it to you their new way to save energy."Hey soon!!! look what i got on ebay.". The world is full of "foolers people".

author: Dan6502
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 09:09:00 pm
content: I wasn't familiar with the terms 'single phrase' and 'three phrase' as on the website. I took to Facebook for an answer.....so that clears that up.

author: RobertoLG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 10:27:23 pm
content: Quote from: oldway on April 19, 2016, 02:19:15 pmno, they don't anymore, it just did last a very short time, that's past...

author: RobertoLG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 10:33:29 pm
content: Quote from: ftonello on April 19, 2016, 08:55:04 pmI did show the video to my mother, and she liked Dave, she sayid he's a funny guy, and that he's right to show this kind of absurdity, so people don't fall for it, she asked me to send greetings to Dave lol

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 10:35:59 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on April 19, 2016, 06:55:09 pmYep, it's true. When you get big enough that comes with the territory.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 10:36:28 pm
content: Quote from: jazz on April 19, 2016, 07:29:18 pmI actually considered starting an EEVreact channel!

author: grifftech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 10:44:28 pm
content: It might work by removing the dust/dirt from your panel which will help it run cooler therefore reducing the resistance of the wires.

author: ftonello
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 12:36:35 am
content: Quote from: RobertoLG on April 19, 2016, 10:27:23 pmI remeber this bottle thing! But as you said. It was!... Not anymore!...

author: roffvald
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 01:13:38 am
content: I accidentally mistook one of the Z-Energia satchels for an alcohol wipe and cleaned a cut with it, now I keep getting struck by lightning, 0/10 would not buy again

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 01:47:59 am
content: Quote from: Bud on April 19, 2016, 04:42:14 pmEveryone knows the proper wiping direction is front to back!

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 02:38:02 am
content: Quote from: German_EE on April 19, 2016, 04:26:10 pmIf your motion is reinforced by the Coriolis effect, you would be heading down the black hole path ... but it would need some vigorous rubbing.If your motion is in opposition to the Coriolis effect, then you would be heading down the weather path. Again the limiting condition of a tornado would require some vigorous rubbing.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 02:55:38 am
content: Dave, as usual a hilarious video.I can't believe they are selling this crap. Then again, auto dealers are still selling "rust inhibitor" devices with a straight face that are nothing but complete bullsh!t and charging hundreds of dollars.I know all of us here on EEVBlog are laughing at this silly product and can't believe people would be stupid enough to believe wiping your electric panel would do anything but clean the dust off of it. Perhaps while you clean the panel, you accidentally turn off a few breakers, thus reducing your electrical usage.These products pander to the masses and priced at that level where they figure people will take a risk, even if they doubt it will work. There are so many products like this out there, it is sadly a well developed business model. At least the "placebo"-related products provide some psychological benefit to those being tricked.... but I cannot see how this wipe can even trick someone into using electricity less.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 03:17:01 am
content: UPDATE:Z-Energeia have contacted me and offered to send me samples to try for myself and evaluate.QuoteHalf of me wants to bust this stupid thing right open just for fun.The other half of me knows I'm being trolled and it is a complete waste of my time and I should not give them any further oxygen.It's like testing those rocks you put on your audio cables to make them sound better, or debating creationists. They are so absurd that they don't deserve to be even further acknowledged.To quote Rochard Dawkins (who quoted someone else I think) "It would look great on their resume, but not on mine.What say you?

author: RobertoLG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 03:19:13 am
content: I would stay away from that stuff, and not giving them more publicity

author: imidis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 03:25:11 am
content: Yeah, I mean next thing you know you will see "As seen on EEVBlog"

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 03:32:12 am
content: From what I've seen, people in Southeast Asia are on average more likely to believe in this sort of magic woo, and may be less knowledgeable about how electricity works in general than Europeans and North Americans. That's why these and other useless gadgets like those tiny PFC boxes proliferate over there.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 03:45:17 am
content: Dave... if you don't test it, they will say you are afraid to be proven wrong. If you do test it, they will get more publicity and waste your time. As someone before said, they may even add "as seen/tested on EEVBlog" on their packaging. I say call their bluff, get some of the wipes but don't make any more reference to them at all in the videos (don't give them any more free publicity). Use them randomly in your videos to wipe stuff around the lab... We will all get a laugh from the inside joke. Or even better... During mailbag when you get some more shonky products, you should immediately wipe them and see how it magically improves the shonkiness of the devices!

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 04:05:18 am
content: Quote from: imidis on April 20, 2016, 03:25:11 amMy initial reaction also.Quote from: edy on April 20, 2016, 03:45:17 amI like the way this Loonie thinks....

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 04:14:07 am
content: Quote from: edy on April 20, 2016, 03:45:17 amSay to who?QuoteThat would be funny, but it would also make me a douche.

author: RobertoLG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 04:23:26 am
content: It's only my personal opinion, but you should let it die as it deserves

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 04:39:10 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 20, 2016, 04:14:07 amI see what you did there.... "douche".... a cleansing product.... the wipe...

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 08:30:27 am
content: Don't forget that the Far East is where this feng shui thing comes from. A girlfriend once worked in a call center where there were lots of unhappy staff and folk resigning on a regular basis so the boss brought in a feng shui 'consultant' to improve the working atmosphere. He advised moving around a few desks and adding a couple of potted plants then submitted an invoice for over a thousand Euro. In the next three months five more people quit (including my ex gf) and a month after that the company was taken over and asset stripped.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 08:59:17 am
content: Quote from: amyk on April 20, 2016, 03:32:12 amFrom what I've seen, it's universal.(and I'm in the wrong business)

author: wolf32d
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 09:09:38 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 20, 2016, 03:17:01 amBad publicity does not exist... Stay away from those losersps: this technology might really help people conserve energy... lol joke energy is always conserved

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 09:22:56 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 20, 2016, 03:17:01 amAsk commission.

author: ftonello
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 10:04:34 am
content: Don´t do it...As the other said...bad publicity doesn´t exists...

author: SteveLy
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 10:19:52 am
content: Test it Dave! I'll send you some extra-strength homoeopathic tranquillisers to help you cope.It sounds like a wonderful product but all that wiping looks like a lot of work. I'll hold out for the spray-on version.

author: TiN
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 11:16:41 am
content: Lol, i think they saw too many Dave's videos when he's saying "all the electrons fall out" before they "invented" a swab.

author: StuUK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 11:22:27 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 20, 2016, 03:17:01 amIgnore them! These types of outfit will simply say 'as tested by' regardless of the result....

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 11:36:26 am
content: Quote from: StuUK on April 20, 2016, 11:22:27 amThere's no way you can win this by using science.No matter how you 'test' it they can always say:* It wasn't real world conditions* The magic only happens at certain times of the day (when the grid is 'dirty')* Your electrons might come from wind power so they're already well behaved* Your fuse box is the wrong sort of plastic* You wiped in the wrong direction* ...any number of bullshit excusesPlus: If anybody is thick enough to think itmightwork they won't be swayed by reason and logic.

author: StuUK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 11:47:03 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on April 20, 2016, 11:36:26 amThick is the wrong word... just lacking the appropriate level of knowledge...

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 12:25:48 pm
content: Dave's been holding out on us.It is obviously an Electron Vibration Alignment Field meter.It does readings for left to right Z-Energeia swipes, or right to left, but please don't try a circular swipe. The meter is not rated for circular swipes! Nothing is.

author: oldway
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 01:46:55 pm
content: By agreeing to test this shit, Dave will show that he believes it is possible that it works.That's all they want: to create doubt in the minds of people

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 01:48:49 pm
content: Quote from: amspire on April 20, 2016, 12:25:48 pm

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 01:50:01 pm
content: Quote from: oldway on April 20, 2016, 01:46:55 pmYup, I'm being trolled into a fight that will only benefit them.

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 01:51:31 pm
content: Quote from: StuUK on April 20, 2016, 11:47:03 amHow do you impart appropriate knowledge to people who are convinced that the laws of thermodynamics are a government conspiracy designed to block their God-given right to free energy?Most of the world's population have had at least nine years of compulsory education, but many seem to chuck science straight out of the window as soon as it becomes inconvenient.It's so much more satisfying to believe that you can stick it to The Man by buying electron vibration alignment wipes, magnetic fuel savers, tachyonic healing energy pendants, or whatever worthless pseudoscientific snake oil is flavour of the month.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 02:07:10 pm
content: Quote from: StuUK on April 20, 2016, 11:47:03 amThey went to the same schools as the skeptics did.

author: 6581
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 03:30:04 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on April 20, 2016, 03:07:08 amAnalogies are like used cars. Good one is hard to find.

author: ve2mrx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 05:27:10 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 20, 2016, 01:50:01 pmI agree that testing would just give credibility to the product.However, I'm curious as to what actually is in the wipe, and how safe it is. Alcohol? Water? Chemicals? A chemical analysis could be interesting, but I would not test effectiveness in any way. Maybe a window cleaning test...

author: StuUK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 07:08:57 pm
content: Are they flushable?

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 07:13:52 pm
content: Yes, but you better hope the are completely dry, and/or hat they go through the pipe the right way, otherwise you may find your sewage lining up the wrong way....

author: StuUK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 07:18:01 pm
content: Quote from: rrinker on April 20, 2016, 07:13:52 pmMaybe, but as long as my arse is clean and I don't get a rash...

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 07:21:40 pm
content: You will have some puckering in any case, as it will align the muscle fibres the wrong way as you wipe.

author: StuUK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 07:23:07 pm
content: But i'll be able to stay awake longer as I've saved 20% energy...

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 09:04:09 pm
content: Quote from: rrinker on April 20, 2016, 07:13:52 pmThis could be a devastating weapon in the wrong hands.

author: starphot
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 10:53:36 pm
content: Thanks, Dave for that video! That really gave me a laugh yesterday.I have not been well the past few years but that brightened my day! The seller's video looked like a spoof The Onion would publish. My bogosity meter was pegged and chattering! Keep at it Dave!Joe

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2016, 12:08:36 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on April 20, 2016, 09:04:09 pmGreat, they can sell it to the military, like Batterisers!

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 21, 2016, 02:05:11 am
content: This thread is going down the toilet.....

author: stenor
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2016, 12:09:04 pm
content: Quote from: rrinker on April 21, 2016, 12:08:36 amOr like the solar roadways with their Para-drop solar road modules

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2016, 01:32:06 pm
content: Combine all the products - drop solar roadways that produce 800% more energy because of Batteriser, and traffic flows 25% better because the surface is fully aligned by use of the Z-Energeia formula on the surface. Maybe apply it to the drop containers as well so it takes 25% less energy to fly the plane carrying them to the drop zone.Oh hell, if we're going to the absurd - they should probably use Z-Energeia on the fuel tanks and fuel lines of the plane so it used 25% less fuel - either saving costs or allowing longer missions without refueling.

author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2016, 11:50:53 pm
content: I am sure they will sell a lot of them in the US, because there are many Americans who actually believe this stuff.There was a company several years ago, that sold a CD disc to upgrade your CD player to a DVD player.Many Americans believed it actually worked! This tells a lot about how the average American citizen thinksHere is another example: there was a story on the Internet that it was possible to make your Apple iPhone waterproof by downloading a software update. Many Americans believed the story, went ahead in downloading the software, and actually tried to soak their iPhone in water. Of course they all ended up with a broken phone. Some Americans were afterwards even questioning, if they downloaded the proper software.In Europe, nobody buys stories like this! Even people without a university degree, or even without a high school degree... because even those people are smart enough to judge that stories like this are bullshit.Is there such a big difference in education or average intelligence between Europe and the US?I can't believe that there are actually people out there that believe stories like this.Even a kid in primary school will most likely not believe this stuff.

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 01:18:49 am
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on April 21, 2016, 11:50:53 pmBasing an assessment of comparative national intelligence on a couple of unquantified anecdotes is not a compelling demonstration of superior European mental acuity.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 01:54:55 am
content: I don't think it's a reflection on mental acuity. I believe it more readily explains the differences in being able to survive in differing social and economic environments - that is, it's easier to 'get by' in the USA without knowledge of technological principles.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 03:27:49 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on April 22, 2016, 01:54:55 amAlso known as: "I didn't need to learn, daddy paid for everything".

author: Barny
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 05:11:49 am
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on April 21, 2016, 11:50:53 pmI knew one person which is rebutting this theorie.She belived that its possible to mail charge to an mobile phone with an special app with an special price.And dont forget all the esoteric people, audiophools and anti-vaccinaters.There are manny of this people in europe too.

author: simingx
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 11:13:46 am
content: On behalf on all Singaporean engineers, I'd like to expressly apologize for this product... This is in no way affiliated with, or endorsed by, the engineering community in Singapore.

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 12:37:00 pm
content: I'm pretty sure we all realize the closest an actual engineer got to this bullshit product was when Dave opened their web site and no actual engineers, from Singapore or elsewhere, were involved in the creation of this farce.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 02:56:31 pm
content: It's mind boggling that something like this can even make it to market. Freaking hilarious though.Wonder if you can get down to zero internal resistance if you rub this stuff on capacitors or batteries.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 05:39:35 pm
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on April 22, 2016, 02:56:31 pmWhy? Total production outlay must have been about $200.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 06:19:41 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on April 22, 2016, 05:39:35 pmI'm talking more about the legal aspect. Getting it certified, getting stores to sell it etc. I don't think you can just make snake oil and then get stores to sell it for you.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 06:59:50 pm
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on April 22, 2016, 06:19:41 pm"Certified"?Have you ever looked at how much woo-bullshit crap is on sale in stores? Seems like you can sell whatever you like as long as it doesn't instantly kill people.

author: drussell
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 08:54:02 pm
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on April 22, 2016, 06:19:41 pmCompletely bogus, useless, crap "products" make it to market all the time!! This isn't surprising in the least (except for the fact that all the stupid people fall for the obviously bogus, time and time again...) There is no "certification" required for a product like this... Just create a bottle / can / box of snake oil with a claim ofup to18,000% more shine flavour or whatever you want and sell away!QuoteSure you can! It happensALLthe time!I'm sure that's exactly what guys like the Batteroo boys were expecting to have happen.Any underpants gnome can explain this business plan for you:Phase 1: Collect Underpants (Make bogus product)Phase 2: ? ? ? (Get some clueless store to carry said product)Phase 3:Profit!!

author: Agent24
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 11:27:27 pm
content: There is more to this than meets the eye... yes it's true that by themselves the Z-Energia wipes will not lower your power bill, but that is because there are pieces of the puzzle missing!The real secret of true energy saving comes about by using not only the Z-Energia wipes, but also a Batteroo Batteriser, an Energy-Saving Box, AND the Z-Energia 1.0 stickers (very important)I will explain the details here:First, you start by opening your Energy-Saving Box and soldering your Batteriser across the terminals of the PFC Capacitor.Next, you install a Lithium AA Cell into the batteriser, and switch the batteriser on.Third, you quickly (before the electron field alignment chemicals dissipate) take a 4-pack of Z-Energia 2.0 Wipes, open them ALL at once, screw them into a ball, and insert them into the casing of the Energy-Saving Box, before putting it back together.Then finally, you must cover the casing of the Energy-Saving Box (except the LEDs) with Z-Energia 1.0 stickers (The most important part).After all these steps are done, you will have in your hands, your very own OVER-UNITY DEVICE.Upon plugging this device into your mains circuit and switching it on, you will actually reverse the electron flow in your household and begin to GENERATE energy.You will be amazed as before your eyes, your electricity meter reading actually gets LOWER.

author: Nerull
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2016, 05:18:55 am
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on April 21, 2016, 11:50:53 pmOh yes, they most certainly do.The NHS in .uk, which firmly declares that homeopathy is BS that doesn't work, still has two hospitals which provide it.

author: blacksheeplogic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2016, 01:15:59 am
content: Enterprising Australian companyhttp://www.EarthingOz.com.au, Starts out about the dangers of EMF and then explains the science - apparently harmful negative ions from the earth. Was not aware of that risk, thankfully, there's a way to protect myself now I find out about this danger.

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2016, 02:10:18 am
content: That video is quite amusing: a sort of object lesson on "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". Of course, when he takes his shoes off under the power line, his voltage to earth is lower, but the current through his body is higher

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 05, 2016, 02:19:08 am
content: Quote from: helius on May 05, 2016, 02:10:18 amI wonder if you could tell him that?

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2016, 02:25:46 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on May 05, 2016, 02:19:08 amPeople are generally very resistant to challenges to their beliefs, and using evidence has the paradoxical effect of strengthening those beliefs.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 05, 2016, 02:45:00 am
content: Quote from: blacksheeplogic on May 05, 2016, 01:15:59 amI wonder what they'd make of the wireless anti-static wrist straps