Best Digital Multimeters of 2023 - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 01:01:58 pm
content: Well, the question has been answered!Rate the article out of 10https://www.reviewgeek.com/147131/best-digital-multimeters/My favourite part is "with up to 99.9 percent accuracy"

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 01:27:10 pm
content: Maybe it's time for you to do a 2023 meter shootout.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 02:10:38 pm
content: The Fluke 117 is a 9-volt multimeter. Who knew?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 02:26:12 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on June 26, 2023, 01:27:10 pmDave has his own multimeter brand now, so...

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 02:47:09 pm
content: Do you think that is why he stopped reviewing cheap meters? I was guessing the time vs payback. Those early videos were pretty funny.

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 06:02:10 pm
content: I think she doesn't even have all the meters to review nor she ever used DMM. She just gather information on the internet and wrote her article.So I give it a 0.

author: mendip_discovery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 06:09:10 pm
content: Quote from: BeBuLamar on June 26, 2023, 06:02:10 pmIt's a amazon linking special. Not a lot of info just rehash every 6 months and wait for the links to pay off.

author: Kleinstein
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 06:10:01 pm
content: The only good thing I see it that there is not 1 best meter, but different choices for different uses / users.The rest look horrible - not really worth reading.

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 07:48:23 pm
content: Quote from: Kleinstein on June 26, 2023, 06:10:01 pmYou can read it could be fun but simply don't believe what the article says.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 08:29:37 pm
content: I smell ChatGPT

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 10:48:32 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 26, 2023, 02:26:12 pmI've said countless times for people not to just blindly buy my branded meters.Heck, I've done entire videos devoted to this.The problem is how to categorise them. Do you do it by price bracket?, counts?, accuracy?, target market?, safety?The answer is all of the above. You could literally have half a dozen different "best multimeter" shootouts and get a different answer every time.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 01:50:31 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 26, 2023, 10:48:32 pmIMO, you're overthinking it. The most important metric, "daves". I personally enjoyed watching you having fun ranting on them all. Go get em!

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 01:54:48 am
content: The Crenova and Etekcity models may look like bargains, but experienced experts will tell you to always go with genuine Kaiweets.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 02:44:58 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on June 27, 2023, 01:50:31 amDoesn't quite work like that if you are talking about a shootout. You HAVE to have some sort of commonality to compare them and declare a "winner", otherwise what's the point of shootout? You might as well just do individual reviews in that case.My last handheld multimeter shootout was 12 years ago and that was based on price bracket.I did a pocket meter shootout, and that was based on what I deemed to be a "pocket" meter.Seriously, how do you compare a $20 ANENG to a $500 Fluke?

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 03:06:47 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 02:44:58 amThe point of the shootout is entertainment and "daves" is the common metric. Being serious isn't a factor.Rather than trying to find a winner, pick the worse meters out their and find the worse.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 03:29:39 am
content: Why waste time on a King Turd Award for multimeters?

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 03:47:33 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 02:44:58 amAs you can see from article, Fluke is the best for premium, but Crenova is better because it is best overall and much more cheaper!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 04:09:48 am
content: Quote from: floobydust on June 27, 2023, 03:29:39 amYep, waste of time. Joe can do that one himself if he wants.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 04:37:09 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 04:09:48 amThere's a lot of content out there for pure entertainment. I assume there's decent money in it or the science channels would be top ranking on YT and the networks.If your goal is presenting unbiased data, I would start with giving the 121GW a fair shakedown. The old Dave would have had a field day after seeing a shim and so many broken connectors.I've limited my metrics to robustness and I don't see a problem running a $20 meter against a $1000 meter. Interesting enough, one of the most electrically robust meters I have looked at was <$50.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 05:22:17 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 26, 2023, 01:01:58 pmFuck.My.Old.Boots.And people who don't know anything will read this shite and take it as authoritative, and possibly buy something dangerous and do something dangerous with it. And I bet they'll take no legal liability.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 05:42:25 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on June 27, 2023, 04:37:09 amLOl, the adsense reveune isn't worth the time put in regardless of what you do. The market for multimeters is kinda limited.Just simply talking about why Fluke meters are so expensive got an order of magnitude more views that blowing up and destroying meters for fun.QuoteI have had a field day with those issues already, both of which are in the past. What am I supposed to do, spend half a 121GW review wallowing in the past? No thanks.QuoteBingo.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 07:42:53 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 26, 2023, 01:01:58 pmThere's been some changes since 2021:AstroAI appears twice - obviously a brand to watch!(or maybe the AI just prefers brands with "AI" in the name)

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 08:23:50 am
content: The AI's "Best Multimeter Overall" is a CAT I meter... with a UL listing to prove it!

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 02:51:49 pm
content: Kiss analog's electrician's DMM shootout from 2 days ago.Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 05:42:25 amI've never turned any of that stuff on. My business model has always been a total loss.Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 05:42:25 amI thought you were currently selling the 121GW. I've had a few people suggest to me that your reputation took a hit for selling such a product. I'm not sure how you recover from it. Maybe it doesn't actually have any impact.Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 05:42:25 amYou talked about doing something like this at one point. That's one nice thing about having some standard way of testing them, you remove the bias. The meters do what they do. The down side, sponsor's like Keysight may not like seeing their products do so poorly on so many levels.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 03:52:54 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on June 27, 2023, 02:51:49 pmSo the "best" meter would be the Fluke 17B+?

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 04:05:40 pm
content: Can you define "best"?I know if I was going to go out and buy a brand new DMM for my own use today which one it would be. That doesn't suggest it would be the best meter for you.Also, if I wanted a meter to measure electrical conditions, it would not be the same meter I would buy for my own use. There are better tools for different jobs. All depends.Common across all my tools, I want reliability, robustness, longevity.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 06:17:12 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on June 27, 2023, 04:05:40 pmHow many people here own a cheap 1980s Radio Shack/Tandy/Dick Smith meter that still works perfectly?

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 08:45:34 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 27, 2023, 06:17:12 pmSeems like a rather dumb question to ask me. I guess you could try and run a poll but you may want to know their specific use case. Still, seems like you would end up with a lot of bias. Lets see what you come up with.I have some drawing pencils that are pre 80s still perfect condition. I've never had them out of the box. I even have a few rounds from my my dad that I bet are from the 50s still in perfect condition. If you don't ever use things and store them properly, they should last a very long time. You may want to consider that as part of your poll. The free HF meter sitting in the kitchen drawer that is used to check some AAAs every now and then will last a long time. Person may suggest that is a high use case.As far as meters I actually use on a regular basis, I think my CEM lasted about 7 or so. I had a B&K that made it about that long before the switch went bad. Had a few Mastechs, one lasted about a year. I still have one but it's not 100% functional anymore (display problems). A few years back we purchased several UT210E clamps. A very high percentage of them have had their switches go intermittent. Of course, if we include my first DMM, Fluke 8000A, that little princess could be damaged (and was) by the slightest over voltage condition.Then again, my two HP meters were purchased after the Fluke died the last time. The only problem I have had with them is when the lighting storm took out my 34401A.Recently I made a few videos where I was wanting to see if applying high voltage DC (>1kV) across a crystal would change its resonance. I mentioned this would be a typical test condition where I could possibly damage a low end meter. People always equate it to safety but these are the kinds of low energy transients I want a meter to survive.https://youtu.be/6u2WSWI1SBc

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 10:15:20 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 27, 2023, 06:17:12 pmI have several old digital multimeters mostly 1980's. Some I cherish because I know exactly what they do out in the field, how they read in the presence of hum, noise, water, cold, EMI etc.Nothing at all to do with "robustness".One belts out 15V on Ohms/Continuity, another has super fast analog continuity, another big LCD and LED displays. Ones I can read outdoors in sunlight or in the dark, ones that work at -30°C, ones I can use in the rain.Most are Made in USA, reliable enough given their age, compared to Taiwan and china builds of today which I find not so great for quality/reliability.Lab testing multimeters, a nice pristine bench- it means nothing to me as they aren't challenged by the real world.New ones are either expensive and missing features, or the manufacturer is all pride and ego but the quality is poor, or features have degraded gone downhill so they aren't any good out in the wild.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 27, 2023, 10:45:18 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on June 27, 2023, 02:51:49 pmExactly my point. To compare meters usefully in a shootout you need to limit them to some sort of feature/usage/price category.Electrician category is one such good example.I've lost count of number of people that have asked me if the 121GW is suitable for an electrician and I tell them a flat out no, don't buy it.Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 05:42:25 amIt sells very well and countless people love their 121GW. But it's not the meter for everyone's needs, surprise, surprise.I also sell the BM235 and BM786, neither of which I have done a review video for either.Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 05:42:25 amYou talked about doing something like this at one point. That's one nice thing about having some standard way of testing them, you remove the bias. The meters do what they do. The down side, sponsor's like Keysight may not like seeing their products do so poorly on so many levels. Exactly what I've been saying. I'll repeat for the 3rd or 4th time, to compare meters usefully in a shootout you need to limit them to some sort of feature/usage/price category. You do robustness, terrific, keep at it.Do you seriously think I give a shit what "sponsors" think? Really? I've ranted about every manufacturer in the business including showing all sorts of problems in my own products, I'm (in)famous for it.The problem with doing these shootouts is that they are ahuge amount of work, especially if you want to set up forms of automated testing etc, and I have a dozen other different types of videos that I make. I have limited time and varied interests.

author: MathWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2023, 12:36:06 am
content: Now that I have benchtop DMM's, what I find annoying about my handheld DMMs, is whether or not to leave the batteries in them. I don't use them much anymore, and I use rechargeable batteries.I don't like removing the rubber case, or messing with the screws, too easy to strip them or the holes.I would like a DMM with battery pack that was spring loaded, and you push it in til it locks, then push again to release and pop back out.Not that practical for some users, but that's what I want.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2023, 01:39:55 am
content: There is a shock hazard with a multimeter if you can touch the batteries, SD card etc. anything with a path leading to the input jacks. Safety codes require use of a tool for access or cute isolation method.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2023, 03:55:48 am
content: Quote from: MathWizard on June 28, 2023, 12:36:06 amWhat's the problem with leaving them in?

author: ArdWar
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2023, 04:52:42 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 28, 2023, 03:55:48 amMy Fluke 3000FC draws ~5nA in OFF state, 1587 draws ~40nA. That's not zeroThe problem here is battery self discharge. Can't leave them in the drawer and expect them to be just fine indefinitely. Not to mention chemical leakage etc.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2023, 05:19:52 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on June 27, 2023, 06:17:12 pmI do; a 22-195. I'll post pics later if you like.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2023, 05:40:04 am
content: just asked chat-gptQuote

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2023, 05:49:31 am
content: Quote from: ArdWar on June 28, 2023, 04:52:42 amRechargeables are supposedly leak-proof.Quote from: MathWizard on June 28, 2023, 12:36:06 amYou can probably leave the screws out. The rubber boot will hold the door in place. :-)

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2023, 11:27:30 pm
content: Anyone have a comparison based on speed, fastest multimeter to display a measurement within 5% of actual. Most feature rich high end meters are on the slow side.What can I grab when I want the fastest reading for repair/reverse engineering a board. Only would need: voltage, continuity, resistance, diode test, mayybe capacitance.Might have to use a slo-mo cam, in combination with Ian'scontinuity tester.

author: Caliaxy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2023, 11:59:55 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener on June 28, 2023, 05:40:04 amThat’s because it’s only been trained on data available up to 2021. Wait until it self-trains with newer data, like the one in the link that started this thread.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2023, 04:31:50 am
content: Quote from: Caliaxy on June 28, 2023, 11:59:55 pmIt can for those who have accessHere you go, it sucks...

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2023, 04:45:53 am
content: My time is valuable so I just Googled "What is the worst multimeter?"

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2023, 05:18:32 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on June 28, 2023, 11:27:30 pmDuring troubleshooting and repair, I need a multimeter that can work at the speed of thought. What's the voltage here here and here, must be this part what's the voltage on it. About a reading a second as you go through a circuit. Waiting for clink clank clunk autoranging... no way- that takes too long, so it's manual range plus a multimeter with no cheap slow MCU or crap averaging algo.Video timing comparing from nothing to a level reading would be very interesting, to eliminate the subjective "oh it's fast" or "oh it's slow" that reviewers use with their assessments.AstroAI, never heard of the chinese "brand" but good to know they make snowbrushes, car sunshades but they should add a pantyhose line.I like the multimeter bot reviews 4.8 stars "Thanks was easy to use." "Ease of operation." "Easy to use."I wonder how much they spent on marketing, advertising at Amazon and Walmart to game the AI.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 07:27:11 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 10:45:18 pmI would have thought that you would care even less what non-sponsors like myself think, but because you have asked... I most certainly do believe you give a shit! I even believe that saying you don’t in such a manor appeals to some of the sponsors. In my case, I derive no income from anything I do on-line. There are no sponsors and no conflict of interest. That’s the difference of actually working in the industry. It affords me the luxury of being able to offer content for free.Quote from: EEVblog on June 27, 2023, 10:45:18 pmI know. And the more detailed you make it, the more time sucking it is. Go figure.Quote from: Muttley Snickers on June 29, 2023, 04:45:53 amI get Dave’s video from 2019. Maybe he has a better choice now.https://www.eevblog.com/2019/08/18/eevblog-1238-vion-the-worlds-worst-multimeter/

author: HKJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2023, 08:24:32 pm
content: Funny thread, there is no best meter and adding a year do not help.I have a couple of meters that are best, which one wins depends on what you want.In my opinion no cheap meter get anywhere close to a best, but then again if you ask for best hobby meter for the money a cheap meter will win every time.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 04:48:57 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 01, 2023, 07:27:11 pmAll my content is free, take it or leave it.I've proven time and time again that I have the ability to rubbish even PAYING advertisers on my website and forum, let alone companies that just send me a free meter. I've been doing it for 13+ years now.No company has ever paid me to review a product, I have turned down hundreds, maybe even thousands of paid sponsor requests to do so over the last decade. Some of these requests are up to $5000 for ONE video. I turn them ALL down.I have a ton of stuff here given to me that I've done nothing with. I even had Tektronix send two top people over to Australia to hand deliver me the new Tek series 2 scope. Have I done a review video of it? Nope. You'd think I would have if I "gave a shit", right?R&S send me their new MXO scope, gee, what are all these videos of mine showing bugs and lose screws in it. Why would I do that if I "gave a shit" what they thought?My kids can't eat free multimeters.I've found a way to make a living making Youtube videos that doesn't compromise my ability to rubish a product if I think it's crap, and I don't appreciate people who say I can't when the evidence is demonstrably says I can.I know you've got something against me Joe, why I'm not entirely sure, but let it go.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 05:07:04 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 02, 2023, 04:48:57 amYou asked and I provided my response, and this was what you take away from it. I've never met you. Maybe just your ego talking. I'm pretty blunt. Some people have a hard time with that. The best thing you can do is just not ask me in the first place about things your sensitive about.Anyone contributing to your making a living, are sponsors. And I'm sure you have to find that right mixture to keep that income stream. Because my income is derived from my working in the industry, I have no sponsors. I'm not concerned with views, ads, followers. The meter testing was for myself, but I made it public.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 05:43:42 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 02, 2023, 05:07:04 amYou asked and I provided my response, and this was what you take away from itIt's not this interaction and you know it. You've been passive-agressive againt me foryearsnow. Jabs here and there, some subtle, some not so subtle, dozens of them over years.It's obvious to me because I've seen this behaviour countless time before, I get it all the time.Let it go Joe.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 06:45:23 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 02, 2023, 05:43:42 amSorry but this is really all in your head as I have nothing against you. I don't follow your social media accounts and haven't subscribed your video channel in years. As I mentioned before, we used to watch them at work after hours before heading out. You took offense to the last time I mentioned this and wanted to know why we stopped watching. I think you were upset that we found some of that early footage comical and very entertaining rather than viewing you as some master in the field.I've suggested you ban the account if it causes you too much grief. I like using your forum to post about my electronics related hobbies and appreciate you making it available but I'm perfectly fine with you closing it. Another option if you like, just give me a call some time. Maybe a one-on-one conversation would help provide you with some context beyond what you get on the forums.

author: J-R
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 10:44:23 am
content: Hmm, is this thread going to be big enough for all of our egos???Sorry Joe, but your taunting is absolutely on display here. You admit that you found Dave's early content "comical and very entertaining" and then suggest he ban your account "if it causes you too much grief", which is clearly passive-aggressive. You also use the excuse that you are "blunt" and some people's egos have a hard time with it. I say a better way to classify that behavior is rudeness. Maybe it's time for some introspection?IMHO, shootout comparisons can be helpful for a newbie who just wants someone to offer a reasonable suggestion, but ultimately it's a no-win situation for the content creator and the buyer likely will be unhappy at some point in the future. (I even have this issue with friends/family who ask me for recommendations.) Products can come and go, and there is always the peanut gallery rightly pointing out things. But with that said, the individual content about a product is still there, so if you're window shopping it can be helpful.As an example, the Kiss Analog best electrician's DMM video takes some heat pretty quickly since he completely leaves out clamp meters and the Flir DM93 has been on sale for months for $149, not $300+. But if I've never seen the Extech EX355 before, it's a great video for that.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 03:23:12 pm
content: Quote from: J-R on July 02, 2023, 10:44:23 amThe newbie "what should I buy?" question isalwaysimpossible to answer because the devices don't all cost the exact same amount of money and no general shootout can ever take into account what the newbie will be using it for. Everything device has strengths and weaknesses.It's much easier to see if I ask you "What car shouldIbuy?" How on earth would anybody tell me that in a Forum? Even if you knew my income, marital status, distance to my work, weekly activities, twice-yearly activities, garage size, latitude, etc., you still don't know how tall I am, what sort of roads I drive on, crime rate in my area, whether I want new or second hand, how handy I am with a spanner, etc., etc.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 03:46:12 pm
content: "What car should I buy?"First thing I consider, will it get me from A to B reliably. Maybe you have kids and are concerned with safety... Agree, there are so many variables to consider. Same for meters and why I seldom offer advice beyond do your homework.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 04:38:12 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 02, 2023, 03:46:12 pmI doubt anyone wants an unreliable and dangerous car. But how does one actually determine those things? Just saying "do your homework" isn't very helpful. Suppose I agree and want a safe car (why would I need to have kids to want a safe car...) and I want it to be reliable. What factors are most important in determining what make/model meets my needs? The reputation and historical performance of the manufacturer and perhaps specific model? Insurance instititute or NHTSA ratings and crash tests? Teardowns by Sandy Munro? Opinions by Youtubers? Should I reject an entire brand because they built a particularly unreliable model 40+ years ago? Or because I saw one involved in a fatal accident in the news?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 05:03:46 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 02, 2023, 03:46:12 pmThe biggest factor in long-term car reliability is usually how easy it is for non-qualified people to tinker with it in the name of "improvement".It's not correlated with price. Some of the least reliable cars are made by luxury brands, some of the most reliable are cheap imports.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 05:27:48 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 02, 2023, 05:03:46 pmI'll disagree strongly with your first point and agree with the second, to a point. The most reliable versions don't need improving or tinkering and just because any idiot with a crowbar can get your Lada running again doesn't make it a great car. I recently rode in a rather beat down taxicab that was a Prius V with 354k miles (566,000km) on the odometer. This is actually quite typical and not the first very-high-mileage Prius I've seen. A Prius is not a car that you can do much improvement on or (unqualified) tinkering with. Perhaps you can rebuild the battery packs if you watch a few videos and are somewhat handy.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 06:20:40 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on July 02, 2023, 05:27:48 pmOh, I phrased that badly...I meant to say tinkering generally makes a carlessreliable.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 06:32:21 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on July 02, 2023, 04:38:12 pmPeople still buy French, Italian and US made cars... So plenty of peope around that don't careA couple of years ago I saw picture of an accident where a VW Golf got hit buy a car from the side while waiting for a traffic light. The VW Golf got pushed into a Chrysler PT cruiser standing next to it. The PT cruiser was almost completely destroyed and the people inside got killed. The driver of the WV Golf walked away even though his/her car got the full hit.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 06:40:41 pm
content: Quote from: ArdWar on June 28, 2023, 04:52:42 amBattery self discharge is the least of the problems. The modern day batteries are utter crap. Recently I found a timer (the ones you use for cooking) that has been in a drawer for 30 years or so. The panasonic battery that came with it still provided some power and had not leaked at all. The secret to success: made in Japan. IMHO you should consider getting a bench meter unless you really need the portability. There is a huge range of cheap 4.5 digit bench meters out there which are excellent replacements for handhelds where it comes to electronics work.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 06:49:28 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 02, 2023, 06:32:21 pmJust because they don't know doesn't mean they don't care or that they specifically want a dangerous car. Which is pretty much my whole point--how should they know beforehand, especially when it comes to reliability?However, I can't imagine what the buyer of a PT Cruiser would be thinking, that's a pretty egregious POS.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 06:54:35 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on July 02, 2023, 04:38:12 pmBut try suggesting somebody could own an "unsafe" multimeter around here, watch what happens...

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 07:14:19 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 02, 2023, 06:40:41 pmThe solution is simple--don't buy the crap ones.QuoteAgreed, although this probably isn't what you had in mind...Agreed, although this probably isn't what you had in mind...

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2023, 07:37:12 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7Yep. There'szeroexcuse for putting up with leaky batteries. If a battery wrecks one of your devices after reading this post then it's 100%YOURfault.Don't blame "Duracell", don't blame "Energizer", blame yourself.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 01:12:18 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 02, 2023, 06:45:23 amI have absolutely no idea what you are talking aboutQuoteLOL. I get thousands of people say order of magnitude worser things to me than anything you've ever said or implied, and I don't ban them. it's water off a ducks back. Quack.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 01:28:34 pm
content: Quote from: J-R on July 02, 2023, 10:44:23 amOne of the values in a shootout is making it obvious that some meters just don't make the cut. i.e. why on earth would you buy meter X when meter Y is better in almost every way for the same price/size/feature set or whatever.This was pretty clear in my pocket meter shootout. Yet if you reviewed them individually and didn't compare, then you could find reasons without that comparison why it's not that bad.This is why it's important to compare meters in the same price or some other specific category.But yes, any creator will cop heat any way they do it because it didn't include the meter they wanted, or some model is way cheaper in their country etc. It's always a no-win.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 01:33:11 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 02, 2023, 03:23:12 pmOne of the biggest complaints I get in reviews and shootouts is the price. "Why didn't you include the price in country X?"It gets unwieldy when you include a couple countries, let alone say a dozen of the major ones.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 01:38:08 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on July 02, 2023, 04:38:12 pmLike it or not, people watch Youtubers for a reason, it's in the name YOUtube. They watch YOU for YOUR opinion whether us creators like that or not.Joe for example might think he's not offering an opinion, and that he's just doing the tests and presenting the data, but it's way more than that. Viewers are taking subtle clues from what he says and the way he says it etc. Welcome to the human race.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 02:15:14 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on July 02, 2023, 07:14:19 pmNo. More along the line of bench DMMs from GW Instek, Vichy, Owon, Uni-t, etc.

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 04:30:07 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 02, 2023, 03:23:12 pmEven if I know all other things about you I can't recommend a car for you either. Only you would know.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 08:11:23 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on July 02, 2023, 04:38:12 pmIt's the consumer's job to sort out. Another one to consider:https://www.consumerreports.org/Good thing is we are living in a time where so much of that data is easy to come by.I just bought a new helmet as mine are past their dead date. I could buy something that meets DOT, but instead buy products that pass Snell's testing.https://smf.org/about

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 08:41:27 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 03, 2023, 01:12:18 pmOh, it sounded like you were keeping a score card.Quote from: EEVblog on July 03, 2023, 01:12:18 pmNot sure why you brought it up yet again that I've got something against you. Obviously, something is triggering you. I stay out of discussion on religion, politics, anti-vax.... Maybe it's my comments on the 121GW. You would think that would be the one area you wouldn't care. Anyway, offer stands if you want to blab direct.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 03, 2023, 08:59:34 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 03, 2023, 01:38:08 pmIt's a tiny channel and I doubt it has much influence. As far as being a "no win", I guess from a financial perspective, I agree in my case. But consider I'm running these tests out of personal curiosity, and if I'm learning something from them, then I consider it a win.

author: bidule
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 04, 2023, 07:30:00 am
content: This article is of-course bogus. But seriously, who on Youtube does not shill?

author: Codebotjoe
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 04, 2023, 09:40:39 am
content: I was in a toss up between the 121gw and the bm869s and I had the eevblog bm786 so I got the brymen from the polite sales people at Welectron and there was an issue wirh the buzzer not latching and they wanted me to send it on my dime to Germany from nova Scotia because their site for an rma postage slip didn't support Canada. I had it less then a month so it was a matter of principal and they were less than helpful. I ended up fixing it myself and refrained from an ebay complaint as I know I was an anomaly. They could've given me a partial refund but I didn't ask and insulted them. My mother spoke German so I picked up some silly insults as a child. I feel bad about it now and I'm soured using it so I went back to mu old one. The 121gw will be added to my collection next as long as they don't drain my sunbeam batteries when it goes into standby hahaha. What a video. Fella gets one for free and complains about it. Complains about his free scope and was given a tek dmm916 that he doesn't use as well. It's a great old meter. I have one as well.You should do a pimp your meter series joe. Someone sends in one with a few hundred bucks and put it through the ringer then repair it haha. I'd encase it in acrylic in an exploded view with lit labels showing the mods haha.Just one man's opinion haha.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2023, 05:56:28 pm
content: Quote from: Codebotjoe on July 04, 2023, 09:40:39 amI think you greatly underestimate what is involved. First, very few meters are actually ever able to be repaired. Most go to the recycle bins. It's only the upper class of meters that I have looked at that could be repaired. You may need two meters minimum.Higher class meters take more time to test. Plus you have the down time of the equipment. Maybe two days of work spread out over a week or two. Then there is the legal side. Contacts, liability...Of course, there is also the reverse engineering, the assuming coming up with what ever design changes ... More testing...That seems like a huge effort, even if you increased the payment by a couple of magnitudes. My advice is if you want something robust, just by it. Stick with the brands that have a proven track record. The fact you're talking about getting a 121GW with known problems like cracking plastics, tells me that's not all that important.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2023, 08:47:04 pm
content: Quote from: bidule on July 04, 2023, 07:30:00 amBig Clive, Uncle Tony's Garage, AvE, This Old Tony, Thunderfoot, Techmoan, 12voltvids, CuriousMarc, Photonicinduction, Sam Zeloof; I could go on but I hope you get the point.

author: lordstein
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2023, 02:24:13 am
content: Hello, I have had a uni-t ut58c (manual range) since 2015 and it has worked very well, but with use and several falls its display is already damaged, and I think that at any moment it will fail completely, I have tried several cheap multimeters from other brands and the uni-t brand as well.but I have not found one with the following characteristics (the ut58c has them)-super fast continuity test speed.-loud and clear continuity sound (I'm a little deaf already)-rapid acquisition of voltage measurement-screen with big numberssomething good that is also desirable-firm stand (I can manipulate it with one hand)- the screen is not as affected by light reflections.I would like to know which would be the best option for up to about 200usd, the precision and resolution or display counts, as well as its cat certifications are not so important, since I only use it for repairs of electronic equipment (notebook mostly)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 20, 2023, 11:49:37 am
content: I am not responsible for your mental health if you watch this.It just showed up in my recommended list.Top 5 Best Digital Oscilloscopes Review 2024

author: Veteran68
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2023, 04:24:25 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 20, 2023, 11:49:37 amYou're still hearing from my lawyer!Jeesh, these CG/AI videos are bad. Not to mention #1, #4, and #5 are the same device (with #5 being a rebrand), LOL.Love how the bot pronounces "multimeter" and the mis-spelled "oscilloscpe"! Obviously got their text-to-speech algo from Wish...

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2023, 05:54:52 pm
content: well the cheap dmm segment is so polluted with low cost ones ... it would be hard to do reviews on themEven doing criteria s like: Reliability Security Resolution Count .... discussed earlier, even rebranding is become an issue ...Under $$$ say 100-150$ i would simply skip them ... not worth it