5G conspiracies - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / rf-microwave

author: Cyberduke
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 04:09:39 pm
content: Ok folks, Time to put on your tinfoil hats for this one. The internet is currently not short of any 5G conspiracies. And it seems to be growing. (even crazy ones connecting it to covid-19)I have knowladge on the difference between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation and can see that 5G does not have the frequency needed to be harmful and cause cancer. It would be great to have some other arguments as to why these conspiracy theories are nonsense.Here is an example of a video that the internet is not short of

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 05:24:52 pm
content: I think the burden of proof is on those who wish to complain about them not the other way round.

author: mc172
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 05:39:19 pm
content: Quote from: Cyberduke on April 02, 2020, 04:09:39 pmJust about everyone on the Internet also seems to think that at the moment.

author: chris_leyson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 05:41:26 pm
content: Only yesterday a taxi driver was telling me that one of his passengers thinks that Covid-19 is due to 5G

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 05:54:39 pm
content: That’s probably David Icke’s fault. Oh plus some absolute bell curve challenged dingbat.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 06:46:34 pm
content: Quote from: chris_leyson on April 02, 2020, 05:41:26 pmIt's crazy.There are unbelievably bad and apparently scientifically wrong videos, on so many levels.Also, it has lots of positives and few negative votes.Why do people believe it ?I don't like being rude about people. But it sounds like the ramblings of someone, who may be at least a tiny bit, mentally ill (and I'm being NICE and restrained, here!).Example:Executive Summary:5G LED street lights, are really government sponsored, killing machines and causing fatal respiratory illness. He seems to be talking such complete and utter nonsense, I've not paid much attention to it, or watched much of it. So, sorry, if I'm a bit wrong in the summary. He has made many, similar, crazy videos.UK authorites seem to have tried and failed to get him shut down etc.Quotehttps://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/mark-steele-5g-gateshead-council-15269240

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 07:06:29 pm
content: QuoteBecause many people are scientifically illiterate and a lot of people prefer certain types of answers. The ideal structure of an answer is where you can point a finger at a particular thing and say that "This right there is the cause, nothing else.", or, better yet, you can blame some human or organization. If it removes the fault on your side, bonus points. If it fits into your belief structure, even more bonus points. There is a host of other factors and reasons as well as to why people prefer certain types of answers.In reality, most of the answers are pretty complicated and don't point to one single entity as the source.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 07:16:10 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on April 02, 2020, 07:06:29 pmIt seems to be like going back, hundreds of years ago, when (some) people believed in witches.So, they are burning 5G things or street lights, instead of witches, these days. Because of (apparently) mistaken beliefs.

author: Mark19960
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 08:49:16 pm
content: The 5G issues to me are an extension of the smart meter debate.My house here in the states has had the smart meter on it since we bought the bloody thing.The house before this one had one on it. Not sick. Not dying. That one goes back oh some 20 years.Far too much pseudoscience around 5G just as it was and still is with the smart meters.Think "better call saul" and the blokes brother that wrapped himself in tin foil.My faith in humanity gets shaken to the core with these lunatics.Relation to Covid-19? That's just bloody mental.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 06:47:37 am
content: Quote from: MK14 on April 02, 2020, 07:16:10 pmActually, we, as a whole, never left that stage. For most people the 'threats' have changed, for some, not so much:https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/saudi-arabias-war-on-witchcraft/278701/https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/12/13/how-do-you-prove-someones-a-witch-in-saudi-arabia/

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 07:33:05 am
content: Quote from: daqq on April 03, 2020, 06:47:37 amGood point, you are right.I'm sometimes, goinginside my head. When I hear that people think "science", is optional or alternatives to it, are ok.I'm NOT talking about challenges to the odd scientific theory, which can be useful to progress science itself.But complete disregard for science, in some cases.A recent example, comes from a BBC report about the virus in Russia.It says that they were still crowding into this small church, and preying. I.e. NOT socially isolating in there, because of the virus.The BBC reporter asked one of the people, why they were doing that.She explained that because it was a holy place (inside the church), it was IMPOSSIBLE to catch the virus, inside the church.Punchline, she was a Doctor in Russia.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 08:22:25 am
content: I would not stress till 666g is released

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 08:26:57 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on April 03, 2020, 08:22:25 amWill they go from 12G to 14G, for obvious/similar reasons ?

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 09:08:41 am
content: Looks like they're taking it seriously here at least:https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/02/uk-media-outlets-told-not-to-promote-baseless-5g-coronavirus-theories

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 10:15:11 am
content: The ones who believe this are the same ones who went to the store and bought all the toilet paper off the shelf, because they need to feel useful, and fuzzzy thinking, often in a small room with a generally white ceramic cast seat, is about the top level for thinking for them. Often the brain falls out, and has to be put back carefully using the paper to coddle it.Could be haemorrhoids though, you never can be sure if that was a brain cell of just a nugget.www.youtube.com/embed/xavluTezTnU

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 10:34:02 am
content: didnt watch all but... wireless do cause cancer, so they have some basis about the hatred...

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 10:40:12 am
content: Lets not go down that video thread. we already have a thread on it here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/truth-about-cell-phone-radiation-dr-devra-davis-melbourne-lecture/1. Don't lick 4G tower antennas (or AM transmitters if you're feeling even more brave)2. Don't buy a "chinese eyeball cooker" 25W FM HT, crank it right up and call CQ.Problem solved.Just a point as well. I worked in a nice "death cupboard" for a couple of years with quite high energy microwave kit in it running test rigs. I still have three eyes and three testicles.Edit: also to point out, just because folk are Dr / PHD equipped doesn't mean they know what they're talking about and it shouldn't lead to any further credibility being applied to their argument than anyone else. Everything should be treated objectively.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 10:45:36 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on April 03, 2020, 10:15:11 amThe problem is, it could cause serious damage to society. (The concept of some people NOT believing in science).We (hopefully), will have a coronavirus vaccine, at some point.Then we (may) have coronavirus vaccine, conspiracy theories, that it is somehow bad (causes people to grow horns, glow pink at night and be unable to watch youtube science videos, without getting bored and switching it off).So, a percentage (15% ?), of people refuse to take it. Which could cause further outbreaks amongst those people, and if it mutates, further misery, for the other sensible 85% of the population.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 10:48:04 am
content: We'll have mandatory vaccinations for this. They were talking about introducing them anyway last year.BTW there are a lot of anti-vaxxers here in the UK. Usually holistic health mindfulness idiots.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 10:53:25 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 03, 2020, 10:48:04 amHopefully. But, I wouldn't be 100% surprised, if they DON'T.It could get voted down, or a judge might accept a legal claim that it is unlawful and against our human rights.Also, even if it becomes law. Some people would still refuse to have it.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 10:55:40 am
content: There's prior action here. Look up Judge Clifford Bellamy / MMR vaccine case. They won't likely go against other members of the judiciary.https://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed191684If they refuse they should be sanctioned or jailed.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 11:05:49 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 03, 2020, 10:55:40 amAnother mechanism used (not necessarily the UK, I can't remember which countries, possibly the US). Is that schools insist that children prove they have received the necessary vaccinations. Otherwise they are refused entry to the schools.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 11:08:50 am
content: That makes sense to me. If only they did that with nitsEdit: actually I suppose the issue then turns people into home schooling nuts which means likely someone's getting an even more substandard education than you get at school. Not sure that is a good thing either.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 11:19:12 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 03, 2020, 11:08:50 amQuotehttps://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/02/schools-may-solve-the-anti-vaccine-parenting-deadlock/385208/Part of the problem, is if they aren't vaccinated, it can affect others. Then it might cause the parents difficulties, who may experience it worse.I remember (but could be wrong, possibly the Tea thread), this happened to you (Chicken pox or something, but I don't think that is vaccinated against, anyway).

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 11:32:46 am
content: Yes that was me. Chicken pox. We should vaccinate against that here but we don't. Fortunately the outcome for me was ok even if it knocked me off my feet for a few months (when you're an adult it doesn't just go away once the scabs have all fallen off!)We should probably vaccinate against that as it has some slightly worse outcomes later on (shingles etc) should it reactivate itself.I think of my mother in such circumstances who is currently going through chemo for myeloma. All it takes is one idiot with an ego...

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 11:45:35 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 03, 2020, 11:32:46 amOne day, there could be a real problem in life. Which we need to inform others about.But then it could be dismissed as 'fake news' or a 'conspiracy theory'. That could also get dangerous.E.g. If we found there were genuine issues with 5G.Apparently, Russia are having difficulties with some people, not listening to the coronavirus prevention advice.Either because, the official line is "Almost nobody is affected by it, yet", so they don't need to worry.Or, they are so use to the Russian information, always being a complete pack of lies. They don't believe the official Russian advice. Even though it is actually true, this time.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 11:59:42 am
content: True. Unfortunately we're all at the mercy of our own species. I'm not even sure what the solution is to that scenario. Some of them like to lie, some like to exaggerate, most have no idea what they're talking about with authority!At best we can evaluate each thing which has consequences for us based on our own standards.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 12:42:33 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 03, 2020, 11:59:42 amIt is a big problem.Similarly, it can sometimes be very difficult to find out the best/correct advice about something.We were talking about car oil suction pumps (on a thread in this forum), to avoid crawling/lifting under the car, to open the drain plug, which is messy as well.Extensive internet searches, found contradictory information. Some would say it is a good idea, and others that it is bad. So the truth was hard to determine.Another problem, is if you consider a wacko/crazy idea about something. E.g. The Earth is flat.When you google it, you can come up with thousands of articles, all saying, "Yes, the Earth is flat".Which, some people, get convinced about.Thousands of article saying Earth is flat, let's build a rocket to see the flat Earth, then it comes crashing down, with a sad outcome (opinions differ as to the true motivations of the "Mad flat Earther, who got killed". But, it seems it was mainly because he wanted to go high via rockets, rather than "flat Earth", probably).But of course, there are (perhaps) tens of billions of articles which say the Earth is spherical/round, but the flat Earthers, flatly (pun intended) ignore the facts, while they chat amongst themselves, around the globe.They conveniently ignore the facts, such as GPS (I think) relies on knowing the shape of the Earth, and if it was flat, we would know, via GPS anomalies.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 01:27:41 pm
content: Oh here we go:https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/watch-birmingham-ee-phone-mast-18035916Spontaneous or arson, time will tell.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 02:05:17 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 03, 2020, 01:27:41 pmOops.You now inadvertently, just started up a new "conspiracy theory", that 5G masts "Spontaneously" catch on fire.Or did they use fake/clone poor quality Chinese components, in its construction. So, it overloaded and catched on fire.Opps2I just started another.On another note.But in one of Dave's EEVblog's youtube videos, as a joke, he puts on a tin foil hat (made out of aluminium foil).I DON'T know for certain. (i.e. maybe it was a different source, not EEVblog).To my dismay, one of these oddball youtube channels (which has at least once had EEVblog equipment, microcurrent ?) in view. Showed the same (apparently, but I could be mis-remembering) tin foil hat, and the rest of the clothing, to an extent, being put on a person or people. It was an instructional video (or so they thought).They seem to believe in "free" energy machines, on the channel.It is in a foreign language, and I can't understand it. But the pictures, seem to tell me the gist of what is going on.E.g. The EEVblog micrometer (apparently), being used to promote, some kind of positive cell device (don't worry, I don't understand what they are talking about either).Then (same youtube channel) he gets an "EXPERT" (cough cough cough), who you might recognise, from my earlier youtube post(s), in this thread. (I've mostly NOT watched that video. It is to show the activities of those people with alternative views).

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 04:15:24 pm
content: Well my thought about the Smart Meter: There are multiple Technology on the Marked for Transfer the Data like:- Powerline -> Bad for everyone who use the <30Mhz Freq and maybe dangerous- VHF "read out" Freq with (from a Van or so)- UHF Lora and other stuff- 450Mhz GSM "Cell" Service -> maybe dangerous- GSM Modems -> maybe dangerousThe most concern with that is, will be that the Company Spy on People be Measure every Apartment when witch (bigger) think get turn on like a Washing MachineAnother think who not gotten discussed is when someone get the "good" idea to put a Powerline Module into the (bigger) Electric Machines and use a Smart Meeter to Phone Home....So back to 5G...The think most of the "alternative Media" People dont gotten until today "THAT" 5G DONT EXIST! Here in Europe atleast 5G can, will run on previous GSM, UMTS, LTE Frequency. I would say its not more dangerous than the previous Generation.Well what concern me much more is the 60Ghz part. THAT could be very dangerous!

author: kolbep
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 07:59:12 pm
content: After being Frustrated to no end with all the Comments and Videos on Facebook 'linking' 5G to the CoronaVirus, and that the Vaccines that they are working on, will include a Tracking Microchip, I decided to do a quick video of my own. Trying my best to Dispel some of the Mistruths, and just trying to inform people.You can check it out below. And also, remember to Like and Subscribe...http://youtube.com/watch?v=NAHe7uFZ6qM

author: mikerj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 09:05:23 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on April 03, 2020, 04:15:24 pmWhy would you think that?

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 11:24:47 pm
content: Because it sounds scary.Well even our local tabloid shit rag The Sun is now calling the tower burners idiots. That’s a pretty low bar to set for someone calling you an idiot.Turns out someone who lives opposite me is one too. Someone blessed them with a printer and they’ve stuffed misinformation in their windows about Covid and 5G. I phoned the police and they will go and deal with it apparently. It’s illegal to post misinformation like this so hopefully they will fine the dumb pieces of shit. Just blown two hours on dealing with this. To bed!

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 12:02:21 am
content: http://www.kccb.or.ke/home/news-2/pressstatement-tetanus/...

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 01:21:46 am
content: https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/20/04/03/1936221/broadband-engineers-threatened-due-to-5g-coronavirus-conspiraciesThis stuff reads like something on FedNet from the SST universe.I quite frankly believe we have been over taken by Cylon agents that are some how harmed by these frequencies? The only link between communications and virus is the fact that you might be able to sterilize food with microwaves so you don't get sick (wait.. thats not a comm thing). Perhaps you can sterilize some food with a smoke signal so you have something to eat later). Usually a good thing.Maybe they can sterilize face masks on a war ship by hanging them infront of the radar?

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 07:33:13 am
content: Where are these "strange parts of China"They sound like people with courage, that are over the corporat bullies telling them what's good for themaka what's good that that fills corporat coffers.I'll bet they know how to cook good too and live frugally comfortable

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 08:18:12 am
content: I think China is pretty unique. There is a price to pay for rapid progress and that’s a lot of backwards idiots. Then I look at our lot and we’re the same.Signs on property over the road are gone today. I hope they got fined. All it takes is one idiot to burn one and we lost mobile phone signal here. Right in the middle of a heath crisis. If that happens then they should be charged with attempted manslaughter.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 09:16:11 am
content: It's not their fault if corporats restricted you to only one means of communicationcommunication they can manipulate, spy, or shut down on people they don't like

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 09:28:48 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 04, 2020, 09:18:35 amDrop the baiting and tell us where these > quote Mr./Ms blueskull:"strange parts of China"areName/s, longitude, latitude etcThanks in advance

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 09:41:04 am
content: In the UK there's Tyseley. That'll give rural China a run for its money that will.The only technology they have around there is bikes, knives and accurate milligram scales

author: Cyberduke
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 05:03:48 pm
content: Quote from: kolbep on April 03, 2020, 07:59:12 pmThank you, Will be sending it around a bit, as a fellow saffa myself, a few years ago as an EE student in SA I did holiday work to implement the ICNIRP standard on Cellular base stations all over. You would be surprised how many educated locals in SA believes that there could be a link.Additionally, I have to say, I did not expect this post to create such a response when I posted originally, I do think a lack of scientific knowladge is a problem, if you don't even know what frequencies are or the basics on how these things work, its probably easy to be convinced of absolutely anything. Couple that with the distrust of huge international companies then you have a breeding ground for people to take science out of proportion and potentially believe anything.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 10:59:48 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 04, 2020, 09:41:04 amThanks matesaves me a trip to china and hooking up with blueskullto learn the lingoand ask yet again just where these "strange parts of China" areHmm so our local bikies sold up and emigrated to the UK? didn't know that..

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2020, 11:09:35 pm
content: I think crisis in general really brings out the nutjobs, I suspect it's a coping mechanism. Think back on all the major shocking events that have happened, the Kennedy assassination, 9/11, Covid, there are countless conspiracy theories around all of them. People like to feel like they have privileged information, faced with an invisible enemy they like to feel like there is action they can take to control what is happening.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 12:15:13 am
content: Conspiracy theories may sometimes come in useful, as long as they clearly point out what actions the 'conspirators' are currently performingor have done so in the past, to place them under scrutiny and or suspicion.i.e. some concrete proof or pointing out the obvious would help,for example the 24/7 comedy enriched 'mutating' news reports and bandwagon medical BS on the Corona fiasCoeasy by now to spot/sense/smell something is definitely amiss and or shady going on, supported by many eviltards in high positions rolling with it = no conspiracy theories required,it's in your face!!!'5G' on the other hand is pure conspiracy wanking,and even if there was some truth to some of it,can the majority of phone junkies get any more stupid and ignorant than they already are,with a different 'G' set pumped into them ?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 01:16:39 am
content: It sounds like a nightmare to me to believe in something so strongly and to have such a disconnect with the rest of the world. The more you push, the bigger the divide gets. Must be frustrating and lonely.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 01:20:30 am
content: Almost all conspiracy theories are based on *always* starting out by assuming the official story is wrong, no matter how sensible it may be and then carefully engaging in confirmation bias finding dots to connect that support whatever crazy idea they come up with. The theories are usually impossibly complex and would require huge numbers of people to be in on the conspiracy, you'd need people across the political spectrum working closely together, it's virtually impossible.There have been real conspiracies of course, but it requires a small and tight knit group, and usually they end up exposed after they have committed whatever act they set out to do.

author: JustMeHere
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 03:35:27 am
content: My only conspiracy is: Why is it being pushed so hard?Is it because of it's relatively short range? Will that make it for telephone companies to track you? Who do the sell that data to?

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 03:48:27 am
content: Quote from: JustMeHere on April 05, 2020, 03:35:27 amBecause money.RF spectrum is an extremely valuable and finite commodity. Slices of spectrum are routinely sold for Billions of dollars, and 5G opens up a new slice of spectrum that the general public will pay handsomely to use. Earlier generations of mobile phone technology have been rolled out just as widely but for some reason I don't recall conspiracy nuts latching onto those.

author: I wanted a rude username
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 04:07:22 am
content: Quote from: james_s on April 05, 2020, 01:20:30 amThis contrarianism brings to mindan excellent episode of Sam Harris's podcast, where it's characterised thus:> "I can never agree with what is written in the New York Times and the Atlantic, let alone the Economist or the Wall Street Journal. So whatever position I hold today, if it comes to be mainstream in those publications, it must be very facile."

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 05:00:31 am
content: Quote from: james_s on April 05, 2020, 01:20:30 amYou've just nailed itand it's not impossible, might take a few decades to set up after the initial 'conspiracy' meetings wrap up,and then recruit all the can do/no questions asked/YES type people,basically human trash is preferred that will stoop to any record low for personal gain/promotion or reasons only they know in their sicko heads.and who is going to expose an internationally organized mob? Surely not the gullible idiot public they took for a ride?Which may explain why history repeatsSo is 5G a conspiracyto dump perfectly good phones for new ones ?No one in their right mind would consider to dump a perfectly good working phone for the latest G..would they?

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 06:24:43 am
content: I remember someone trying to tell me that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government in order to create an excuse to attack Iraq. Soooo then the conspirators claimed that the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia? That's an awfully big oversight don't you think? I mean maybe if you're going to go through all that effort, make sure you claim the terrorists came from the country you want an excuse to attack?

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 07:24:09 am
content: Quote from: james_s on April 05, 2020, 06:24:43 amSome Youtubers are now flogging BS that the three planes were holograms and aliens planted timed expl0sives in the buildings,and used an arduino rig to activate, hoping the humans would kick off another world war and finish themselves off, for an easy conquestI mean seriously, was a wireless arduino thingie available back then?

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 09:52:29 am
content: QuoteThat smart Person was right.QuoteNot only that.Iran, Iraq and Syria. Daesh was found the same way as Mr. Bin Ladens Network of Freedom Fighter.QuoteSure even the US Gov. Claim this. The found there Passports on the Street in front of the WTC.QuoteYes that was not the biggest flaw in the official Story.Do you know about WTC7? It collapsed even it was never hit by the Plane (or Parts from).WTC7 rember me at the Cars in US Movies who explode after a soft hit at the Bumper.

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 11:06:03 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on April 05, 2020, 07:24:09 amSure, when aliens landed at Roswell, we got their spaceship tech, and they got our Arduino tech in exchange.

author: Cyberduke
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 03:50:57 pm
content: https://interestingengineering.com/people-are-burning-down-cellphone-masts-in-the-uk-as-conspiracy-theories-link-5g-to-covid-19?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=Apr05Seems that in the UK the conspiracies are indeed the strongest. (From my personal observations)

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 04:29:16 pm
content: Yeah it’s our turn instead of America for having the greatest idiots for a change. Hey everyone we’re number one at something again

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 05:15:40 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 05, 2020, 04:29:16 pmI'm more than happy to pass that torch for a while, we've been the reigning champs for far too long.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 05:19:20 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on April 02, 2020, 07:16:10 pmPeople mistake technological advancement of society for an increase in the IQ of the general population. At least back in the day some people knew their place.

author: Cyberduke
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 05:25:04 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on April 05, 2020, 05:19:20 pmagreed, the technological advancements we see are being done by a tiny percentage of the population.This whole situation makes me think of the flat earthers, they have the whole situation thought out and have done their "research" to wrap up their argument in a neat little bow. One day there will be a "no 5G" conference or something.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 05:25:16 pm
content: Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on April 05, 2020, 11:06:03 amI saw a video someone did about 9/11, their "evidence" for the tower being rigged with explosive was a photo that was clearly from the 1970's or 80's judging by the clothing and beards of electricians rewiring the towers and boxes with the "littelfuse" branding on them. They even showed the littelfuse website pointing out that the company made fuses alluding to "bomb fuses" when right there on the page they were using as "evidence" were the specs of the electrical safety fuse that they were too illiterate to understand.I actually had a colleague email me the other day with a video link to youtube with the street light and some people taking strength readings of towers with no relevance. I calmly explained to him that 5G uses all the same frequencies we have done for years which include the same frequencies as 4G and his home wireless router.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 05:27:02 pm
content: The problem is that these people has no evidence and are too thick to see that.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 05:28:56 pm
content: Need someone to fetch the trolleys at Tesco.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 05:30:26 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 05, 2020, 05:28:56 pmLike i said, once upon a time these people knew their place.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 06:17:27 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on April 05, 2020, 05:25:16 pmIt's a phenomenon called Confirmation Bias. Rather than starting out with a blank slate, examining evidence and reaching a conclusion they start out on the other end with a conclusion and then work backwards looking for evidence that supports the conclusion they have started out with. When they look at the Littlefuse website they will simply ignore or discount anything that doesn't support the conclusion they've started out with, that Littlefuse makes bomb fuses.There's a famous quote from Sherlock Holmes "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Conspiracy theories are based on immediately eliminating the official story as impossible no matter what it says and this opens the door to numerous extremely improbable conclusions.

author: Mark19960
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2020, 11:24:45 pm
content: Thunderf00t's take...

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 12:16:11 am
content: Quote from: Simon on April 05, 2020, 05:19:20 pmI suspect (without trying to sound snobbish), the inner workings and exactly what 5G is (technically speaking), is beyond (unless they were taught about 5G), a number of normal/average, Mr Joe Bloggs, of this world.So when they are told it is an evil plot by governments, to mass infect the general population, with a virus.Unfortunately, some people believe it, and get riled up enough, to set them on fire. As per recent news articles, about a few of them, being burnt down in the UK.It reminds me of distant history lessons, the Jacquard looms being destroyed, because of fears it would mean everyone losses their jobs.I didn't think those times would return, in my lifetime.Apparently, there is a name for it 'Luddite'. (Not exactly the same thing, but vaguely similar).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LudditeQuote

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 12:53:24 am
content: Quote from: MK14 on April 03, 2020, 07:33:05 amContrast that stupidity with the commonsense approach used by several million Israelites wandering around in the wilderness after having left Egypt 3-1/2 thousand years ago. The Bible account in Deuteronomy chapter 23 verses 12 and 13 instructed them to go outside the camp to have a poop, dig a hole and bury it. They certainly weren’t immune to diseases.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:07:47 am
content: Quote from: Circlotron on April 06, 2020, 12:53:24 amArguably, a number of the early religious practices, could have very sound (scientifically speaking, even though it was not known for another few thousand years), health reasons.E.g. Washing your hands before eating. (Indirectly, as some practices involve hand washing).NOT eating Bats (as they are not Kosher).Koshering meats (I'm not entirely sure what that entails), but I suspect it makes the meat healthier (kills germs).Not eating Pig (in some religions), as they can be infected with parasites, especially in olden times (I suspect).

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:09:15 am
content: Quote from: james_s on April 05, 2020, 06:24:43 amWell it worked didn't it, so the conspiracy was successful.The problem with crazy conspiracies is when they involve the US - there's a small possibility that they may be true. If you look at the US based/originated conspiracies that actually happened and have been documented, many of them sound crazy enough to be the product of conspiracy nuts. The US military and intelligence services smuggling weapons to a enemy to fund overthrowing the government of another country (both in direct contravention of law including a specific law forbidding funding the faction in question)? Crazy right, but it actually happened (Oliver North et al in the Iran-Contra affair). A cabal of people spread across various Washington departments and private industry running their own economic and technology sabotage against the USSR without orders, authority or answerability? The American Tradecraft Society - involving people from the CIA, NSA, Office of Naval Intelligence, Air Force, FBI, Defense Intelligence Agency, Department of Defense, and Rand Corporation. There are plenty of other examples.The US seems to be good at breeding these genuine conspiracies, but not good enough that they don't eventually get uncovered.Or maybe they get bubbled-up by agents of the Illuminati because it clashes with their schemes? Who knows, who knows.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:12:01 am
content: Quote from: MK14 on April 06, 2020, 01:07:47 amThere is a lot of stuff in various religious texts that is sensible, likely things people discovered worked whether or not they understood why, still more stuff is reasonable if taken metaphorically or as an example. It's when you have people taking it all very literally or finding ways to interpret it to support whatever view they have that it becomes an issue. It's not like one guy sat down and wrote any of the books from cover to cover, they're collections of stories from all sorts of sources, some translated from one language to another, some passed down orally, it can hardly be considered absolute truth.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:16:06 am
content: Quote from: Simon on April 05, 2020, 05:30:26 pmYeah, but back in those days your place (and mine) would probably have been up inside a chimney scrubbing it clean. At least we'd have hadsomeoneto look up to us, as I suspect that the B in BD139 stands for Baldrick.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:24:09 am
content: Quote from: Cerebus on April 06, 2020, 01:09:15 amBut the US government (or any government really) doesn't need to invent a convoluted conspiracy to attack another country, as we've seen on multiple occasions they can just decide to attack them for any reason they want and what are we the ordinary people gonna do about it? If they wanted to start a war with Iraq then 9/11 is an insanely complex and roundabout way of doing it, I mean they could have orchestrated a far smaller attack and claimed it was orchestrated by Iraqis, or they could have simply fabricated the whole thing and claimed that Iraq had declared war on us and how would most people know? Or they could just find some random piddly squabble to go to war over like they have in the past, or they could just declare war for no reason at all, countries have done that before.It makes absolutely no sense at all to invent an insanely complex conspiracy requiring thousands of people to be in on it, that is a tremendous amount of effort for very questionable gains and it requires both incredible perfection and attention to detail yet they overlooked having the terrorists be from the right country? And that's really more plausible than people we've meddled with for decades being pissed off enough to attack us? The official account seems perfectly logical and far simpler than any of the conspiracies.Those real conspiracies you mention are all much simpler involving far fewer people and the motives behind them are much more clear and direct. Not to mention they were uncovered despite being relatively simple.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:24:30 am
content: Quote from: james_s on April 06, 2020, 01:12:01 amI agree. ('Sensible').Many law systems around the world, seem to really be (originally) created on religious grounds.E.g. The ten commandments.Which seem to have somewhat been converted into modern day laws.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:27:56 am
content: Well things like don't murder people, don't steal their belongings, don't sleep with your neighbor's wife, etc are pretty sensible basic rules to have in a society, and religion was one of the earliest forms of government so it's hardly surprising to see some crossover there.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:29:34 am
content: Quote from: james_s on April 06, 2020, 01:24:09 amQuote from: Cerebus on April 06, 2020, 01:09:15 am

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:32:31 am
content: Quote from: james_s on April 06, 2020, 01:27:56 amThat's true.Because the early/first courts, were probably religious courts, and hence religious penalties.Hence terms like 'eye for an eye'.In a sense, early religious leaders, were a bit like Police/Judges/Juries, all rolled up into one.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 02:03:42 am
content: Action at last.Quotehttps://www.theverge.com/2020/4/5/21208956/youtube-suppress-false-5g-coronavirus-conspiracy

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 02:23:29 am
content: its about time all these flat earthers grew the fuck up!!,make.s me puke!

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 02:30:02 am
content: You can't keep serial conspiracy theorists down for longNext they'll claim the cell tower fires are false flag attacks by the 5G companies themselves, to collect on insurance and update the towers,hey like that's never happened before right?and push Youtube to such measures as restricting wannabee whistleblower uploads as “borderline content”and removing any alleged "HateTubes"Give it a week, they won't disappoint..

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 04:13:37 am
content: Quote from: MK14 on April 06, 2020, 01:32:31 amThey still are in some places. It's hard to believe but there are still countries in the modern world where blasphemy is a serious crime.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 06:58:35 am
content: QuoteWell its not just what happens. You should see and know that many rights was cut. So the Gov. can spy legally against there citizen. Even in Europe many rights got cut.Even Hollywood Movies changed there narrative from the bad Soviet Russian Guy to the Muslim Terrorist.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 07:27:33 am
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on April 06, 2020, 06:58:35 amIs that surprising? The Soviet Union collapsed, the cold war ended, why would movies taking place in the present still have Soviet enemies?

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 08:13:07 am
content: Why not Canadians, Mexican or as usual the Germans as enemy?

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 08:27:00 am
content: Quote from: JustMeHere on April 05, 2020, 03:35:27 amBecause money. Everyone wants to sell products and a marketing pitch that saysQuoteisn't all that great. The manufacturers of base stations are pushing it because it will be a rich harvest for them. The operators will push because if they don't, their competitors will. The phone manufacturers will because they can market their newest useless gimmick, like 3D 4k live streaming and sell another generation of products while silently making the older generation obsolete.Everyone in every field does it. As to it being pushed so hard, how is it being pushed so hard? Every generation of networks came and went with little attention, only now the conspiracy nutters have aimed their bullshit cannon at 5G and set it to eleven.And it's not all bad - there is an inherit value in progress. Also, it will make RF gear much cheaper in the long run.Phone companies can already track you today with a fair amount of precision. As to selling that data, it's covered by privacy laws. If they wanted to do it illegally anyway, it doesn't matter if they are using 5G or 3G.

author: Cyberduke
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 11:20:52 am
content: Quote from: daqq on April 06, 2020, 08:27:00 amYou hit the nail on the head, on all aspects. It is a "new thing" which will make money plus they have had the capability of tracking us long ago. But using this argument will probably just strengthen the conspiracy theories

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 12:37:00 pm
content: Berlin?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:38:26 pm
content: Hitler was Austrian.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 01:52:59 pm
content: lol he was born a view Meter away from the German Boarder.He was a poor Painter when he was in Vienna.He left Austria to get into the German Army.After that he start his Campaign (fund by the Americans) in Munich, Germany.And he got Elected by the Germans.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 02:33:02 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on April 06, 2020, 04:13:37 amCertainly (if I remember correctly), in the UK in the 1970s..1990s, but I think it may still be true (I'm not sure).There were/are still old (outdated) laws on the statute books (law books), which include blasphemy.So, if you go and stand on a soap box (it use to be popular for people to make speeches that way) in a park in London (Not now, because of virus), and say "J*........." never existed, blah blah blah etc.You can/could of been prosecuted for blasphemy.I just looked it up on the internet. Since 2008, the laws were abolished in England.But it still applies to Scotland.https://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/europe/united-kingdom/But you are right. In some countries, if you practised a religion, different, to the standard one in that country. You could get into serious trouble. In avoidance of sparking political debate, I'm not mentioning where.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 03:22:42 pm
content: what's more to the point is that there are countries where "blasphemy" otherwise known as speaking my mind or the truth that you do not like is a law that is enforced to the point of death sentences.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 03:42:09 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on April 06, 2020, 03:22:42 pmI agree.I've heard that in such places, even nurses, giving out important vaccines, can sometimes be killed by the locals, or even prosecuted by the governments. Because of false conspiracy stories (that it is NOT a vaccine, but really something bad from the US).This is a current concern. Because it could mean, that if and when we come up with a coronavirus vaccine. They may refuse it.If it means they refuse 5G (hypothetically, I've not heard that they are rejecting 5G), as a country. Then that's fine, if they don't want it, they don't have to have it. NOT having 5G, is not unsafe as such.But burning down existing 5G towers, in the UK. Can potentially disrupt communications, which could cause difficulties, if trying to reach the emergency services (depending on what mobile signal towers, are still available and working).

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 04:11:10 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on April 06, 2020, 08:13:07 amWell write a script, movies are just stories.I'm sure there are plenty of movies with Canadian, Mexican or German bad guys. We haven't really had a lot of animosity with any of those nations except Germany a long time ago though and there are countless movies about nazis.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 04:29:26 pm
content: Ok so final score is we lost 20 phone towers to idiots. I hope the fuck they find these useless cunts and chuck them in the sea.https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/06/at-least-20-uk-phone-masts-vandalised-over-false-5g-coronavirus-claims

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 04:48:36 pm
content: That's just so utterly bizarre to me. I mean claiming that mobile phone towers are responsible for a virus, that is taking things to a whole new level. I would hope that it would be treated as domestic terrorism given this is critical infrastructure.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 04:53:12 pm
content: You'd hope so. A lot of our critical medical infrastructure uses 4G as well and a lot of people don't have land phone lines now. Literally could cause physical harm to people.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 05:05:04 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on April 06, 2020, 03:42:09 pmThe waters are muddied here by a real (and very stupid) deception. When the Americans were hunting Osama bin Laden they sent spy teams, under the cover of doing vaccinations, into the region where they thought bin Laden was to gather intelligence. This was successful, in intelligence terms, but since has resulted in the deaths of genuine medical personnel conducting vaccinations in the Middle East under the belief that they too were spies. This was easily foreseeable, so someone made the decision that it was OK to throw away the lives of innocent humanitarian workers and put the health of innocent civilians at risk in the name of the "(never-ending) war on terror".

author: vodka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 05:17:00 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 06, 2020, 04:53:12 pmThat is to have faith in the RF lines, i prefer a wired line and if it is possible optiical fiber . Out electromagnetic troubles, out weak covers and climatical troubles.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 05:35:58 pm
content: Quote from: vodka on April 06, 2020, 05:17:00 pmKind of difficult to operate an ambulance or fire engine with a land line or a bit of fibre optic dragging behind it...

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 05:45:26 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on April 06, 2020, 05:05:04 pmI very faintly remembered that (forgotten all the details, when I did the post you replied to). But now you mention it, it brings it all back.I agree with you, on the face of it, it was a poor decision.But, on the other hand, maybe it seemed to be the best course of action at the time, and they considered it a tiny/low risk of being discovered.Although I don't know all the facts, I still agree with you, they shouldn't have done that (destroying peoples faith in the vaccination program, and putting the medical workers lives at risk).

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 06:18:50 pm
content: Quote from: vodka on April 06, 2020, 05:17:00 pmForget fibre. It’s much less reliable than mobile networks. Relies on grid at both ends. Copper is only good but you’re not getting 600megs up that. That usually has half competent backup at the exchange end.The one that makes me laugh is the amateur radio operators running 2m as a backup net. Not going to be any damn good other than family nets.

author: vodka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 07:03:14 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 06, 2020, 06:18:50 pmThe fiber less reliable? i don't understand because it is less reliable than the mobile networks.The cooper is terrible if you are on humid and warm climate. The wire turns black . Furthermore, many times when the day was warm or rainny, we had to do a short or sparking (with two wires connected to phone line) for reseting and achieving to increase the bandwitdh (example pass the downstream attenuation of -1mdb to 20mdb ).

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 09:41:01 pm
content: Landlines definitely have certain advantages however they are quickly becoming an anachronism of a past era. I can't think of anybody I know who is younger than 45 and still has one. I think it would be difficult to find anyone under 25 who has ever had one in their own home.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 09:45:14 pm
content: It’s still very common here. I don’t use or need one but I still have one as it’s the only reliable outbound call system. Try dialling for emergency when some turd has burned your local tower down.Bear in mind as well that if there’s a local power outage the cell network usually goes down within an hour as they are quite power hungry and have limited backup supply. If you have copper it’s usually powered by backup batteries and generators here at the exchange end. No such luck with fibre unless you have your own offline supply.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2020, 10:08:30 pm
content: Landline is only reliable in a power outage if you still have a POTS. If that has been replaced by VOIP and a modem then if you haven’t got a UPS on the modem then your out. If you have got a UPS and you have a fibre to the node connection then it’s a race between your UPS batteries and the batteries in the box up the street.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 01:12:44 am
content: Quote from: Circlotron on April 06, 2020, 10:08:30 pmHey yeah, I was wondering what the go is about that.So even if the NBN modem is on a UPS (or psu hack) that can keep it going for a few hours/days or more with battery swaps during a power outage,the exercise and wishful thinking vibe may be futile, as the system power backup at the NBN upstream source may fail sooner if local power is down there too?That's more -great news- about the 'NBN Rollout' aka NBN Roll Over..What back patting chardonnay sipping twats gave the OK for this N-BS?The knuckleheads could/should have a least designed the NBN boxes with a small internal backup thingie to keep the system alive for a few minutes.No good for long outages but good enough for small blackouts, brief sags, RCD or MCB oopsie breaker pops etcgiving the home battler a chance to make a call or two. Think > very elderly and incapacitated home bound peopleand to call the power company support lineto advise them that obese crows and magpies had a big blue on top of the power pole over territorial rights to maccas scraps below,and toppled the street transformer on to a parked ice cream truck

author: El Rubio
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 01:43:21 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 06, 2020, 06:18:50 pmFor starters, almost all wireless towers have fiber backhaul ckts. I live in south Louisiana near New Orleans. We have our share of hurricanes that knock power out, but the fiber network is pretty reliable. If it goes down, the wireless goes down.You can laugh at the amateurs, but I know for a fact that those goofy hams were responsible for saving several lives because the communications were down for weeks after Katrina. The hams were able to request medical airlift from a hospital over 2 meter net, relayed to the local Air Guard station. Local Emergency Planners respect them.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 03:24:47 am
content: This is so crazy I wonder if its a insurance scam. People usually don't attack things like a zombie horde. Those conspiracy theorists thinks cop can look at them and find out 10 years history.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 04:36:30 am
content: As far as I know they're not running POTS to new homes in the US anymore and haven't for years, at least not in this region. Internet here is either coax, fiber or wireless. I think there may still be satellite in rural areas and of course there is a lot of POTS still around.I don't think anybody ever figured on people intentionally vandalizing mobile phone towers. As of yet I have not heard of it happening around here.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 02:13:59 pm
content: am i correct in thinking,due to all the nutjobs here kicking up about 5g transmitters beeing fitted to streetlamps,surly given the invers square law of the rf transmissions,to get sufficient power at say ground level from these to cause harm,i imagine the power cables to them would need to be the thickness of my legs to run them?,ive seen pics of one and the psu looks small.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 02:17:01 pm
content: The problem is that ignorant people don't understand this. My grandmother ran 3 broken freezers that ran non stop until one conked out but me charging some AA cells was the real reason she had a high electricity bill apparently.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 02:31:15 pm
content: Ah yes. I had that from my mother-in-law. Charging my 15W ultra low power Acer laptop at the time was clearly going to cost her a fortune but LED light bulbs were "just wrong" so she just ran 100W incandescents everywhere ffs and bitched about me.

author: mikerj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 03:32:15 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 06, 2020, 06:18:50 pmBest we dredge up all the transatlantic fibre links then. Perhaps mobile phone towers on buoys could be used instead

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 03:34:42 pm
content: Happens occasionally anyway... QED:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/mauritiana-internet-cut-underwater-cable-offline-days-west-africa-a8298551.htmlAlso known as a defence risk here:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/russia-attack-uk-cables-underwater-sea-protection-a8111536.htmlEdit: just to note I worked in the defence sector in the UK providing critical backbone network infrastructure for MoD and contractors. It mostly even to this day, runs over dedicated copper circuits other than some of the core routing with is diverse fibre (not something you get in the last mile). It's not even on 21CN yet and probably never will be.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 03:58:25 pm
content: Oh ffs, I didn't realise it was David Icke!QuoteFor those who don't know, he was a BBC sports reporter who had some sort of breakdown or 'revelation' about 30 years ago and suddenly decided he was the son of God or some such. I remember him storming out of chat shows when people didn't take him seriously.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52198946

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 04:00:25 pm
content: Yep it's him. Rational Wiki entry for the interested:https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 04:22:22 pm
content: QuoteSo why not put some Cable in the Euro Tunnel?Since the leave Europe it will become a Abandoned Place.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 04:27:08 pm
content: There's already bundles of comms cables from various providers down there and a 1000MW electricity cableWe use satellites for full redundancy backbone for defence in a system called ironically "Skynet"

author: bson
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 09:53:21 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 02, 2020, 05:24:52 pmThe 'precautionary principle' used to satisfy dingbats only applies to American products, not European.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2020, 11:35:53 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on April 07, 2020, 03:58:25 pmSo it's rebellious reptilians in human form, stuck on Earth for too long, doing over those towersbecause it gives them 5G burn and Corona skin scale rash?Why don't they just pack their sh!t and p!ss off back to Planet X and try their luck on Mars instead, which is still 2G/3Gand stop hassling everyone here

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2020, 01:24:28 am
content: Quote from: MK14 on April 03, 2020, 11:45:35 amI have the same thoughts on this subject. Most of all these stupid theories are intentionally popularized in order to hide some important things in a huge cloud of information junk. These stupid theories learn people to think that any theory about 5G danger is fake. So, when they meet a real warning, they will just ignore it.5G towers can be used to track movement of infected people. For example the government may put 5G tracker on infected people neck or wrist to track and spy for his everyday activity to control that he don't break quarantine rules. Later no one will not be able to leave his home without such 5G tracker with integrated flu symptoms detector... And later it will turn into a world-wide totalitarian regime with total control... like Orwell's "1984" or something like that... What do you think about such theory?I'm thinking about how the entire world is changed due to this epidemic... It's incredible... Just one-two month ago no one could even imagine that this could happen at all...

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2020, 03:58:26 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on April 11, 2020, 01:24:28 amMaybe it has already begun, As a big country is reportedly, heavily censoring/controlling/restricting the internet. Which 5G would be part of, I assume.Hence, they are using it as a way of controlling their people.E.g. Certain search words, are replaced by the 'parties' official lines.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2020, 07:01:21 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on April 11, 2020, 01:24:28 amerr, NO!