Guess what I found - Page 1
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author: blueskull
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 04:44:57 am
content: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ARCOL-Ohmite/LVT04R0150FER?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtlleCFQhR%2fzXAGiOCRCr1ImID0Rp01Ze0XApNODqCatw%3d%3dI know there are already a few export control rant threads, and I personally started at least one and had replied a few.But this, is a whole new level. Export controlled current sense resistor??? WTF is going on?I know it is a 155C rated part, a bit higher than common temperature, but I didn't find any rules in EAR category 3A that says a resistor is controlled under this category.

author: TheSteve
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 04:49:07 am
content: Perhaps all of the export details haven't been worked out/entered properly as it is a new product.

author: technix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 05:25:42 am
content: Let's just hope this isn't going to be a trend. This feels like we are seriously heading towards a Cold War II again, this time US versus the rest of the world.

author: trophosphere
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 05:57:58 am
content: My guess is that it checks one or more boxes for being ITAR classified. An example being as such: "(d) Electronic assemblies and components specifically designed for military use and operation at temperatures in excess of 125 degrees C, (see § 121.1, Category XI(a)(7))." Not saying that's the characteristic that gets it restricted but rather it being a comment on how something innocuous such as that can predispose it to being restricted in the first place.

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 07:32:20 am
content: If they're restricting it because of that classification, then that seems silly. The word 'and' is imperative in that description. One could hardly argue that a simple resistor has been specifically designed for military applications, so it is not thatandhigh-temperature.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 07:44:34 am
content: Quote from: trophosphere on November 02, 2018, 05:57:58 am"And" is a slippery word, and may mean the opposite of the boolean operation; you have to interpret it in the surrounding context.Consider "third party, fire and theft" car insurance. Will that pay out if the car is stolen but not burnt?

author: Nusa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 10:00:12 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on November 02, 2018, 07:44:34 amActually, the more important words there are "specifically designed for". The military doesn't actually have to use and operate it at those temperatures to qualify. In many cases, unusually high temperature rated items exist only because of military requirements, so there are a lot of components that are going to be automatically classified that way.As for fire and theft, that's a title. What matters is the legal text of the contract that it's attached to. If it actually says it must be both stolen and burnt, then yes.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 10:08:50 am
content: Quote from: technix on November 02, 2018, 05:25:42 amGood.BTW it is not US vs rest, it is West vs rest.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 10:13:38 am
content: Some other values don't have this.https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ARCOL-Ohmite/LVT04R0200FER?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtlleCFQhR%2fzXAGiOCRCr1IgEFnFCHagjPYaY8K2FD2BQ%3d%3d

author: technix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 10:26:21 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on November 02, 2018, 10:08:50 amGood for what?Quote from: NANDBlog on November 02, 2018, 10:08:50 amI have my doubts whether the EU, especially DE and FR, would play with the US this time.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 10:43:43 am
content: Quote from: Nusa on November 02, 2018, 10:00:12 amSigh. You miss the essential point and concentrate on irrelevant details.That's correct, but that is anillustrationvarious meanings of the word "and", not about the details of insurance contract Ts&Cs!

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 11:41:59 am
content: Quote from: wraper on November 02, 2018, 10:13:38 amPerhaps because one value has been used in a military product, and others haven't...

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 11:44:50 am
content: Quote from: amyk on November 02, 2018, 11:41:59 amIt doesn't work like this. Most likely just an error.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 11:53:17 am
content: Quote from: technix on November 02, 2018, 10:26:21 amClosing the door on dictators, mass murderers and warmonger lead countries.EU is party in this. We closed the door on Russia in 2014, and if it wasnt for the KGB (or whatever it is called now) controlled politicians, it would work flawlessly. And why is it good?"Prime minister Dmitry Medvedev has admitted the sanctions have hurt the Russian economy, leading to a loss of "tens of billions of dollars because of the sanctions.""The real number is in the hundreds of billions. Hit them where it hurts.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 12:15:34 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on November 02, 2018, 11:53:17 amThere is no issue supporting Saudi Arabia which is well known to be totalitarian regime and violating human rights. If you think this has anything to do besides national/special interests, I'm sorry for you. Russia is 100 times more democratic and caring about human rights in comparison.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 12:31:52 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on November 02, 2018, 12:15:34 pmIt's coming.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-khashoggi-turkey-france/french-foreign-minister-sanctions-against-saudi-arabia-possible-idUSKCN1N50V8

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 12:35:43 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on November 02, 2018, 12:31:52 pm"France doesn’t rule out any sanction against Saudi Arabia"... It's the oil $$$ that count in the end.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 12:39:24 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on November 02, 2018, 12:31:52 pmAll I can see is exceptional attempt to whitewash them. Mind my words, they will be condemned a little bit, then issue will be put to silence and forgot. It's not a single isolated incident, just something they've done many times becoming too public.

author: m98
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2018, 04:23:18 pm
content: If that's really not just a catalogue error, then someone at Ohmite should do a bit of market research. Other manufacturers in countries without stupid export restrictions also offer similar parts with even wider temperature ranges and lower tempcoAlso, you seriously believe that Russia would have any issues producing such a simple component, if they aren't already?

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2018, 01:28:07 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on November 02, 2018, 12:15:34 pmIt has nothing to do with democracy. Russia, Saudi Arabia and The United States each violate human rights and commit crimes against humanity. Each of them have knowingly fired missiles into hospitals full of innocent civilians. Saudi Arabia recently blew up a bus full of innocent Yemeni primary school children on their way to a school excursion. Oh, but don't let crimes against humanity get in the way of a $100 BILLION arms deal.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 03, 2018, 03:24:34 pm
content: Let's not get political. It is likely an error or with lack of info the default is assume safe legal case. Distributors use increasingly non technical staff to fill out their product details.