Total nonsense on eeweb.com - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 08:51:58 pm
content: I was browsing the eeweb.com site and came across a review for the iMSO-104 IPad oscilloscope attachement that I had seen mention of here. Wow, I don't think I will bother with that site again. With total nonsense like this;"The iMSO-104 is available directly from the Oscium website for $297.99. While this price is a little high in comparison to say a new iPad, it’s certainly a reasonable amount to pay for even an entry level oscilloscope."stated for a 5Mhz bandwidth, 12Msps, 240 point storage!!!!!!!!!!The thing is a pure toy made to make the iPad seem more useful. With the Rigol DS1052E still available for $350 and hackable to 100MHz, how can anybody in their right mind make a statement that the price of the iMSO-104 is even close to reasonable?Sorry for the rant, but I couldn't read that review and let it pass.It costs more than the crappy nano DSOs, and can ruin a $500 iPad if you get things wrong.

author: hacklordsniper
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 09:08:36 pm
content: The advertise that crap on many pages there, probably they are paid for it

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 09:22:20 pm
content: Well this review makes anything I might read on that website totally suspect. I will not bother with going there again. It is things like these that makes one appreciate the brutal honesty that is shared by the host of this site, Dave, and most of the contributors here.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 09:25:30 pm
content: But, but, but it is for the iPad! THE IPAD! All hail the iPad! You can directly post your crappy signals on Fartbook or so. If not with the current version then with the next one - maybe. And don't forget it will enlarge your penis, too.

author: PeterG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 09:39:33 pm
content: Quote from: BoredAtWork on December 05, 2011, 09:25:30 pmDont get me started on the Apple plaque. My stepson is a total Apple victim, he has the whole range of Apple toys.I see a place for Apple products, there iPhone has driven other phone companies to raise there standards (for better or worse?).I think Apple could make a whole lot more money if they designed Hardware, just hardware, and allowed people to load there own OS, Android for example.End rantRegards

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 09:45:58 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on December 05, 2011, 09:22:20 pmHe's right, that's all I can say.

author: slateraptor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 12:34:23 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on December 05, 2011, 08:51:58 pmIt might be effective sleazebag marketingifEEweb's target audience wasn't professionals. I'm certain anyone with half a brain can see through the all that crap...and if they don't, then it's a lesson learned the hard way.Nevertheless, it's rather annoying that EEweb marketing would dare undermine professionals in that manner.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 12:44:10 am
content: I'm impressed. They actually surpassed the DSO Nano and USB scopes as useless toys that pretend to be test equipment. This product has more sex-appeal than the other toys in that segment, so I expect it to be a success with their intended audience.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 01:06:14 am
content: Quote from: BoredAtWork on December 05, 2011, 09:25:30 pmTell me you didn't!You Americans. LOL.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 01:26:45 am
content: Quote from: BoredAtWork on December 05, 2011, 09:25:30 pmI can look at a crappy signal on my Tek 7613,take a picture with a digital camera & post it on Fartbook in a couple of minutes if I want to!I've given up on the other idea,so it's really no use to me at all!VK6ZGO

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 01:27:20 am
content: Quote from: alm on December 06, 2011, 12:44:10 amMore expensive and even more crappier, folks!BUT, the touchscreen interface can only be found on this and some $10K+ LeCroy.I wouldn't be surprised to see someone claiming his money back after his iPad went poof for hooking the thing up on the wrong side of a transformer.Oh wait, you could actually turn the iPad into an electrocution device if you hook up the ground clip to the main's hot wire.Electric taser on the iPad? There's an app for that.

author: joedevola
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 01:58:44 am
content: How does it compare to something like this?http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ARM-DSO-Nano-Pocket-Sized-Portable-Digital-Oscilloscope-/170663256339?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item27bc52a113

author: PetrosA
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 02:03:34 am
content: This kind of takes me back to the Agilent Black Friday Giveaway thread. As mistargeted as that idea may have been, I don't think it was even 1/100th as insulting as this sounds.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 02:10:53 am
content: Where is the direct eeweb link? I can't seem to find it.I didn't know they did reviews. It sounds like a shame, because the EEweb site is generally an excellent resource.Dave.

author: mobbarley
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 04:10:31 am
content: http://www.eeweb.com/blog/joe_wolin/imso-104-ipad-oscilloscope-review

author: mobbarley
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 04:13:06 am
content: product tech specs. 240.....points.... I guess there is only so much data you can get through a slow serial port..http://www.oscium.com/sites/default/files/iMSO-104/iMSO-104_Specs.pdf

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 04:13:49 am
content: Quote from: mobbarley on December 06, 2011, 04:10:31 amInterestingly the review done by the eeweb "co-founder".

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 06:29:57 am
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on December 06, 2011, 01:06:14 amNa, it is a feature they surely only have added for the Australians, due to the high demand there :-)

author: hacklordsniper
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 06:45:11 am
content: I have noticed also in few engineer interview they mention how good and cool oscilloscope it is.

author: ThePranksta
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 06:55:12 am
content: Quote from: BoredAtWork on December 06, 2011, 06:29:57 amNo no no no. That is what the iSheep app is for.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 08:29:00 am
content: The $297.99 price tag is just waaay too much. If it were $30, I'd consider it to be a worthwhile toy.

author: hacklordsniper
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 09:31:09 am
content: Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on December 06, 2011, 08:29:00 amWell okay, 30 $ is too low

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 10:06:28 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on December 06, 2011, 04:13:49 amthat is not really a review. That looks more like a paid advert...

author: johnboxall
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 10:41:45 am
content: Quote from: kaz911 on December 06, 2011, 10:06:28 amAbsolutely. The right thing to do is declare if it was a paid review or promotional consideration. However I'm sure most EEWeb readers would be smart enough to work it out for themselves.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 03:58:55 pm
content: Quote from: hacklordsniper on December 06, 2011, 09:31:09 amI'd be interested to see the actual cost price of the thing. I'd be surprised if it costs more than, say $50. I mean, few years ago I picked up a brand new 10MHz toy analogue scope for $60.In all honesty, I do like the software on the iPad. I was thinking for a while, about the feasibility of a hand-held scope with an iPad size screen, with the same quality of construction and a nice UI to go with it. But with muuuuch better specs compared to this one, of course. Most of the hand held units I've seen do crappy rendering of waveforms; and have a fairly tedious and unimaginative user interface. I mean, you can do so much with cheap OpenGL ES capable GPUs these days... why not use it?

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2011, 07:51:37 pm
content: Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on December 06, 2011, 03:58:55 pmHe has a good point, the problem is there is not enough bandwidth to transmit all the data from the ADC to the iPad so you need lots of sampling memory Not cheap. Then it starts to be just like good quality USB scopes: too expensive to be practical.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 07, 2011, 08:01:51 pm
content: Quote from: tronixstuff on March 12, 1974, 10:40:10 amThe minute I need to start worrying about a website that supplies technical information is playing loose with the truth just because someone offers them some money is the minute I stop looking at the website. This one example might be obvious, but why should I have to start guessing the validity of a site that presents itself as an authority. I have only so much time to read things and glean the information. If I need to research everything that is said to make sure it isn't being distorted by money, then the place is a waste of time.The guy who did that review, and the owner(s) of the website should be ashamed of themselves. They have lost all credibility with me. It should not have been called a review but rather a paid product release summary.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2011, 11:10:57 pm
content: what a technical review without a teardown? only ipad this and ipad that?

author: don.r
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2011, 02:42:09 am
content: Quote from: ivan747 on December 07, 2011, 07:51:37 pmAgreed. Thunderbolt should take care of that in a couple of years but until then "not ready for prime time".

author: ThePranksta
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2011, 06:47:30 am
content: Quote from: don.r on December 08, 2011, 02:42:09 amEven with better bandwidth capability I won't trust its calibration and sensitivity. Tried $150 USB logic analyzer kit a few years ago, maybe ok for debugging a system that has finished its development and testing cycle but on my development I missed < 1ms highs on a control line.

author: WattSekunde
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2011, 03:31:47 pm
content: I like this more... because I need my iPad in the Lab for searching the Web or watching TV until boring works.Xprotolab 200kHz 2-Ch DIP-Size Mixed Signal Scope - Price: $49.00http://www.saelig.com/DIME/PSHA026.htm

author: don.r
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2011, 03:50:23 pm
content: Quote from: ThePranksta on December 08, 2011, 06:47:30 amThat is an implementation rather than technology issue, however. No reason why a front end can't be made designed calibratable and with high sensitivity. The price might not end up at $150, however.