A new kid in the block - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: ebclr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 03:49:24 am
content: It's impressivehttps://www.pangomicro.com/procenter/detail3.html

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 04:08:51 am
content: I'm fine with Chinese components, but not when I need to know Chinese to understand what they actually are. It is hard to say how impressive they actually are until you try them, and especially the software.

author: ebclr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 05:58:28 am
content: They can think on the reverse, way, is so hard for them fo learn English, as it is hard for you to learn Chinese, but they count on billions of people.By the way, the software is bilingual, and VHDL is based on English, and google translator and similars, is evolving rapidly, sooner or later that barrier will be minimalYou can buy a development board and try yourselfhttps://www.pangomicro.com/support/board/Titans/index.html

author: OwO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 06:15:10 am
content: 18x18 multipliers

author: ali_asadzadeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 07:02:21 am
content: Do you have any price info?

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 08:19:59 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on October 15, 2019, 04:08:51 amCheapassesthat can't be stuffed hiring (or is it the 'paying' part that's difficult for them?) some of their own linguistics jedi people to sort out some languages for the productsand chuck in a few webpages in ingleesh and other languagesCome on, it's like 2019..who in their right mind today would not do that, assuming they want to hit on international markets for their products, and like.. SELL the stuff?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 01:37:08 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on October 15, 2019, 08:27:52 amYup! This is what I keep saying as well.Why would non-chinese people even think they are entitled to get proper documentation and support? For a western company, tell us last time you cared to translate your docs in chinese...Again, those parts are mostly for their domestic market as you just said. Why would we even expect those companies to make efforts for us is beyond me. Who is the cheapass here?

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 02:10:12 pm
content: One of the big microcontroller manufacturers has datasheets in English and Chinese side-by-side on their web site. I forget which one.Google Translate did a very nice job on the home page.

author: jhpadjustable
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 03:22:13 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on October 15, 2019, 02:10:12 pmGigaDevice does just that. MindMotion has English datasheets but their user manuals seem to be Chinese only at this time.Hey, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, as this fine fellow is doing.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/anyone-here-interested-in-the-logic-green-avrs-lgt8f328p/

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 03:45:05 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 15, 2019, 01:37:08 pmI'm not entitled to anything. All I'm saying is that you have to have the critical parts of the ecosystem (at least registration and software download forms) in English for me to consider them. If they are not looking into western market, then it is fine, of course. I won't go out of my way to get the devices and work with the company that does not target me as a customer.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 05:09:18 pm
content: That's pretty much my thought. I mean I don't expect everyone around the world to have everything in English, but if they are even flirting with the idea of selling parts to countries speaking <insert language here> then I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to have the basic documentation translated. I mean how much can it cost to translate a few dozen pages?I've toyed with the idea of offering to translate Chinglish manuals for various gear into proper English in exchange for one of the items the manual is for. Some of the RC airplanes I have came with manuals that are really bad, and these are things that they sell zillions of to the US.

author: asmi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 05:16:13 pm
content: Maybe they are just realistic about their prospects of getting any market share in western markets? Three biggest markets for FPGAs are military, space and communications. All of these are heavily regulated by governments, and considered to be a matter of national security, so chances of Chinese manufacturer (or from any other country for that matter) getting into that market are essentially zero. So why bother than?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 06:00:58 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on October 15, 2019, 03:45:05 pmOf course. But that's kinda... obvious.Those guys are smart enough to design ICs, I guess they are not stupid enough not to consider this. If they want to target an international market, they just do what it takes to. If not, they don't. Yes, that's a bit captain obvious here, but for them as well. I'm sure they perfectly know most people outside of China don't speak chinese.The chinese domestic market is gigantic, so there's absolutely no *necessity* for a given chinese company to target international markets, whereas it's often one for western companies.This is particularly true for semiconductors. China has gone to great extents to become largely independent of western companies for semiconductors. This is something we have a hard time "grasping" in the western world. Heck, we are even considering using THEIR chips. Completely different mindset and politics.

author: Yansi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 06:06:46 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on October 15, 2019, 08:27:52 amHow big do you think it should be, if the manufacturer even can't english?