Alibaba is going to rise a hub in Hamburg Germany - Page 1
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author: tatus1969
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2017, 09:20:52 pm
content: sorry, but I could only find an article in German.http://www.abendblatt.de/wirtschaft/article210402103/Alibaba-draengt-es-nach-Deutschland.htmlI'm frightened!

author: daybyter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2017, 09:34:08 pm
content: You recall the problems, that hobbyking had in hamburg until they gave up and moved to the netherlands?

author: jonovid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2017, 09:52:47 pm
content: german test equipment at chinese prices.?interesting

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2017, 09:58:33 pm
content: QuoteWhy? With all the cr*p Amazon, eBay et al are doing, this could be refreshing. I look forward to it.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2017, 10:55:43 pm
content: Hm, it means I'll have to press my poor sister to drag stuff over here on the plane next visit...

author: nugglix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 07:04:42 am
content: The article is talking about Alipay and the bad character of the aliexpress ceo.Alipay starts w/ a drug-store chain here.Nothing about a delivery-hub or something like that.

author: tatus1969
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 12:06:19 pm
content: Quote from: nugglix on July 14, 2017, 07:04:42 amIt was in a newspaper a few days ago (I think Hamburger Abendblatt), it's a pity that I couldn't find anything matching exactly related on the internet. It is supposed to be a multi bn$ invest, and the entire region is frightened because their plan is apparently to build a large transshipment port with automated container handling. That's of course nothing new to the Hamburg port, but there is huge concern that the Chinese will in the end take over the business of the port entirely. Large regions of the port are free trade areas, so there is no easy way to limit them by e.g. import taxes.Quote from: Benta on July 13, 2017, 09:58:33 pmI would be lying to say that I would not be using that source for cheap components. But, despite the fact that I am very concerned of the political position of Mr Trump, in this subject I agree with him by thinking that this is only short-sighted. Each time I buy something from China for a fraction of Western prices, I'm digging my own grave. The industrialized countries are slowly bleeding dry this way.

author: nugglix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 12:46:19 pm
content: Quote from: tatus1969 on July 14, 2017, 12:06:19 pmThere is no "free trade" as you describe it.At the time an item leaves the harbor for Germany or any other EU country for that matter,customs and taxes have to be paid.

author: hwj-d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 02:58:55 pm
content: To be real,ALL the electronic stuff from today is ultimately coming from china, i repeat: all this modern stuff we have or buy (with very few exceptions)but, there is only one big big real danger, and that is: to loose our real cash in the pocket!Are we thinking about, what THIS real mean for all of us?

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 03:32:12 pm
content: It means China is getting richer and we poorer unless we make new money with the stuff.But what is the problem? China is still developing. If you want to compete than let the children study harder and take away distractions. Youtube and the internet, smartphones, pads and modern culture where looks and singing is more important than science and brains are more dangerous than China IMO.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

author: hwj-d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 04:25:30 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on July 14, 2017, 03:32:12 pmYes and no, i understand, what you mean. But, it is a macro-economic question. The borderline is not the line between these countries or their natives. That's a question of who's who in general international active holdings and their global financial activities. What we as consumers see is, that they build their production roads in china, and then reimport their products to their and other countries. Is this import or export? Who profits from this? Is it real china people or their government against whom?

author: tronde
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 04:50:44 pm
content: Quote from: tatus1969 on July 14, 2017, 12:06:19 pmIt's behind a paywall. Maybe someone with access can grab a screenshot?http://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/article211229661/Chinesen-wollen-Terminal-im-Hamburger-Hafen-bauen.html

author: tatus1969
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2017, 10:09:48 am
content: Quote from: nugglix on July 14, 2017, 12:46:19 pmOf course not. What I meant is that all the ships are coming and out without without the government having a hand on it. There will be no simple way for our government to control that Chinese container business.

author: nugglix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2017, 08:22:08 pm
content: Quote from: tatus1969 on July 15, 2017, 10:09:48 amWhatbusiness?There is nobusinessgoing on in the harbor.And the container ships are controlled like any other vessel.What's your point?

author: tatus1969
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2017, 09:28:49 pm
content: Quote from: nugglix on July 15, 2017, 08:22:08 pmthe business of the harbor by dispatching the containers.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2017, 09:44:04 pm
content: Quote from: tatus1969 on July 14, 2017, 12:06:19 pmThis is probably the article you were referring to:http://www.abendblatt.de/hamburg/article211229661/Chinesen-wollen-Terminal-im-Hamburger-Hafen-bauen.html(Sorry, also German only. The article indeed reports that Alibaba is interested in setting up a container terminal in Hamburg. It does not mention a multi $bn investment however, or concerns that the Chinese would take over the business of the port entirely.)

author: tronde
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2017, 03:00:25 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on July 15, 2017, 09:44:04 pmIt's behind a paywall. Can't you post a screen-grab if you have access?

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2017, 06:32:23 am
content: Quote from: tronde on July 16, 2017, 03:00:25 amOops, sorry about that. Yes, I had not realized that this was in their paid content section. The article is too long to be readable in one screenshot. But here is the same content in another newspaper (again, German only unfortunately):https://www.shz.de/regionales/hamburg/neues-container-terminal-alibaba-will-in-den-hamburger-hafen-id17297791.html

author: hwj-d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2017, 09:58:58 am
content: So, maybe, they go to Rotterdams brand new port Maasflakte.Let them make the business...(hello NL)

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2017, 05:17:17 pm
content: China already bought a lot of greek harbours in order to have an entry in Europe.Trading routes from the orient to europe have been going on for many centuries, why would you be scared now? Esp. Germany has little to worry about , their products are highly wanted, it would be a problem if the Chinese goods would make a last assembly step in Germany and the " made in Germany" was added to that product, then I would start to worry