OVERUNITY - MEASURING DC? - Page 1
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author: magnetman12003
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2016, 11:28:06 pm
content: Check out the below video and ask can there be a mistake while measuring common DC voltage and current? While measuring AC hi frequency and voltage mistakes can occur.I have the below setup for sale.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 12:46:07 am
content: Mistake is trying to sell this pile of garbage on an engineering forum. You will have much more luck on forums of like-minded "overunity" individuals.

author: dom0
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 12:46:39 am
content: I can highly recommend Firefox addon "FoxReplace"> I'm a moron - MEASURING DC?

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 02:02:51 am
content: This sounds very interesting, please tell us more about this amazing device!

author: pmbrunelle
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 04:42:51 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 25, 2016, 12:46:07 amWhen I went to engineering school, I found that the curriculum of the school was controlled by Big Oil. As such, my classmates and I were brainwashed to be closed-minded towards overunity schemes.Unfortunately, there are probably many victims of brainwashing like myself on this forum...

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 04:45:51 am
content: Quote from: pmbrunelle on January 25, 2016, 04:42:51 amTurn off the lights. They are crawling towards the light

author: Connoiseur
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 05:30:40 am
content: Overunity?This orders of magnitude higher than that. Dude please hide your invention or the oil companies might find out and beat the chaff out of you."Confirmed reports" say countless overunity scientists have been hanged, shot, electrocuted or fed to cannibals......Scary.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 05:55:37 am
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 24, 2016, 11:28:06 pmI'm interested, how much ?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 06:50:59 am
content: Wow such detail and through explanation, I want one

author: crispy_tofu
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 07:15:24 am
content: Put Tesla's name on it and it'll be perfect, amirite?!

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 07:34:11 am
content: thats a good name for coils of wire

author: MagicSmoker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 10:45:29 am
content: Not the response I expected when I reported the OP y/d, but I am satisfied nonetheless...

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 11:02:42 am
content: Hmm, I am missing the multimeter that usually proofs everything.Why are people making these videos?Are they just expecting so many millions of hits to make a profit from YouTube?

author: AlxDroidDev
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 11:11:26 am
content: Quote from: MagicSmoker on January 25, 2016, 10:45:29 amYou beat me to it!Quote from: HighVoltage on January 25, 2016, 11:02:42 am

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 12:46:00 pm
content: Quote from: MagicSmoker on January 25, 2016, 10:45:29 amWe don't mind innocent fun you know. I wonder where the OP is now ? he's not answered any questions.

author: rich
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 02:14:20 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on January 25, 2016, 11:02:42 amYou obviously didn't watch the explainer video with the meter where it's obvious what's happening.

author: magnetman12003
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 07:41:40 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 25, 2016, 12:46:00 pmHi All,This no scam or rip off. I am an older fellow that has been at this for 40 some years experimenting on my ownseeking free energy and it seems I landed on it. I have about 100 pounds of failed experiment parts in my garage and bedroom to testify to that. Drives my wife nuts.Moving on-- The setup INPUT is 24 DC volts at 500 milliamps. My OUTPUT after I full wave rectify the hi frequency AC voltage and current is 300+DC volts at 1 amp with the fan blade as a load. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THE EXTRA POWER IS COMING FROM??Without that fan blade I can easily get 450 volts but that brings up another problem so I had to stop there.The two 330 mfd caps I am using in parallel are rated at 450 volts and I don't wish to destroy them.I recently purchased a 1200 volt microwave cap to try and see just high a voltage I can get with the magnetspinning at 6,000 rpms.I am looking to sell the setup OUTRIGHT to someone willing to part with $10000. He will need that amount also to patent it in his or her name and have the potential to make millions later. I don't wish to go that way and get bogged down in legal red tape should someone make a small change later and start a patent fight. Same goes for open sourcing where an idea is presented and someone changes it a little bit and patents it for themselfs after all the hard work and many hours time put into it.The very safe way I figure to do this is whoever buys it can come to MICHIGAN and I will bring this out from where its stashed and they can have a hands on experience to see what I have stated is true. if they decide to buy they NEED TO deposit 10K in my PAY PAL account at that time. If they decide not to buy they still will never figure out the circuit as the blueprint and circuit components will be handed over only on a sale. I can arrange to have a police officer standing by also to keep honesty in check. Apon leaving they take a working setup with them. No returns later for any reason.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 07:46:38 pm
content: If it is indeed and overunity device with such great margin, why not power it from itself? Surely you can make a 24 V DC supply from a 300 V DC supply.Show us in what time those 300 V 1A boil a liter of water, for example.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 07:51:46 pm
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 07:41:40 pmWe've heard it before, why are you special?QuoteThat is the most unintentionally amusing thing I have read so far this month.

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 07:56:13 pm
content: Why is it that all of these "overunity" devices ALWAYS need to be driven by an external power input? Why can't you just add a DC/DC converter to step the output down to 24V to feed itself? Use a battery to "jump start" it, then let the DC/DC converter take over. Show it running itself WITHOUT a battery attached, with the 24V rail also being used to do something useful.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:01:11 pm
content: I'll give you $100000 right now, if you prove that it works. Simple, right?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:02:20 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 25, 2016, 08:01:11 pmWell that is what he seems to offer if you go and see it at his house with a policeman standing by who presumably also knows all about over unity scams

author: magnetman12003
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:08:27 pm
content: Quote from: Delta on January 25, 2016, 02:02:51 amI covered most everything on this page. Thank you very much for your interest. This is one amazing device but convincing a skeptic is like casting pearls into a hog trough.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:10:48 pm
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 08:08:27 pmOn what page? Here we can only see a blurry video (a staple of all overunity scams).You have done absolutely nothing to convince us. Again, show use the load, on which you see 300V @ 1A.

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:11:08 pm
content: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Any so-called over unity system must be shown running self-sustained for a minimum of one hour with a power output of at least 4KW per Kg of 'black box' modules in the system (or lower power for longer pro rata), on a clear glass or plastic platform supported by clear plastic legs, and any change of system mass or volume must be accounted for.Meters can be rigged - I'll believe the energy output when I see it boil dry 1.6l of water per claimed KWH, and the demonstrator has drunk a large glass of the same water.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:13:36 pm
content: I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be looking at in that video.Am I supposed to think "Shut up and take my money!" after watching it?

author: magnetman12003
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:22:14 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 25, 2016, 08:01:11 pmI will take you up on your offer of $100,000 right now. I expect that in cash if its right now. Come to my place and see it and test it yourself in front of syndicated TV cameras and police to take away any wrong doer. I already proved it works.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:25:34 pm
content: It is not funny anymore. You should read up on how to prove things in a scientific way.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:26:12 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 25, 2016, 08:25:34 pmwasn't that funny when he posted it but we can chuckle

author: magnetman12003
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:26:47 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 25, 2016, 08:10:48 pmTHE 10 INCH FAN BLADE PUSHING AIR IS THE LOAD!!

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:31:02 pm
content: Where do you measure 1A then? That's the load. Fan is moved by a magnetic field, disconnect whatever creates this field and connect a resistive load there. Show us 2 meters, one showing 300V and another one showing 1A.Also, the fact that fan is moving, suggests AC, where do you get DC from?

author: AlxDroidDev
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:37:04 pm
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 08:26:47 pmOne viewer commented something like this on the video earlier today:The fan isn't the load. The entire video is the load: a huge load of crap.You come up with scientific, irrefutable claims that you've achieve overunity, audited by a reliable 3rd party, and I'll swallow my words.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:41:02 pm
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 08:26:47 pmOh dearThere is no way that fan is pulling 300W.I'm not convinced it's pulling 3W even.

author: alsetalokin4017
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 08:48:26 pm
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 08:22:14 pmYou are embarrassing yourself. All you have proven is that you don't know how to make proper electrical measurements, and that your "meter" is inadequate for the use to which you are putting it.Quote from: ataradov on January 25, 2016, 07:46:38 pmThis. But unfortunately, "free energy" cannot be self-looped, can it.The fan is the load? But the fan is only dissipating a tiny amount of power. Turn the fan blade with an ordinary DC toy motor and see how much power you need to give it, from a battery, to turn it at the same RPM.

author: Nerull
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 09:02:56 pm
content: If you truly believed your device worked, you would be willing to do a real, standard test. But you don't - on some level you don't really believe it - so you refuse and handwave, because even you don't believe it would work if you really tested it.You won't test it, but you're happy to take someones money. That makes you a scammer.$10000? You could be a billionaire. All you have to do is hook up a real load and actually measure the power. But you know it won't work, so $10000 will do.

author: georges80
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 10:01:05 pm
content: Quote from: alsetalokin4017 on January 25, 2016, 08:48:26 pmThe reason that you can't get a "free energy" device to power itself (self loop) should be quite obvious to all if you understand interdimensional phase.The "free energy" device needs real energy to operate.What it produces is imaginary plane energy. What is missing is the device that can do the interdimensional phase switch from the imaginary plane to the real plane, then all would be well.The OP just needs to visit a psychic that can help put him in touch with the imaginary plane. Or better yet spend some time with a physics book...cheers,george.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 10:07:30 pm
content: Do you really believe that your poxy little fan is developing three hundred Watts of power?This is what a 300W fan looks like.It is over half a metre square (around 20 inches), and moves 5000 cubic metres of air an hour!I really don't mean to insult you or take the piss, but what do you think is more likely here?1) You have proven that the laws of thermodynamics are wrong.or2) Your measurements are inaccurate. (For a start try using an ammeter with a greater resolution that one bloody Amp - does that meter ever read zero? What does it show with 50mA for example? 1A per chance)Good on you for tinkering and building stuff, it's a great hobby. But don't waste your time and money on daft shit like this.Peace.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 10:42:53 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 25, 2016, 07:46:38 pmPretty much any normal universal-input 110-230VAC input switchmode PSU will run on 300VDC so this would be trivial to test.All I can see in the video is a lightweight fan turning not very fast, and no measurements, on what planet does the OP get 300W?

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 10:46:42 pm
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 07:41:40 pmOK in that case you are clearly in the other camp - delusional or incompetent, or both.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 10:47:03 pm
content: After watching the new episode of the X-Files last night, I learned we've had free energy since Roswell and a secret cabal has been using it to slowly control the world. If I'm right, the OP will soon have a visit from a paramilitary organization who will destroy his invention and we'll never hear from him again.I want to believe...

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 10:49:09 pm
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 08:08:27 pmExtraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Even some would be nice... You have shown nothing, proved nothing.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 10:52:08 pm
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 08:22:14 pmHow? Where ?

author: pmbrunelle
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 11:36:06 pm
content: Maybe OP has 300 VA through the gadget's wires.But VA != W.Resistor loads don't lie.Actually, as Alex said, boiling water with a resistor is even better.Water that has been scooped from a river, so we know it's not some other substance with a lesser heat of vaporization.Do it at the beach, and film it all with a single take (unedited video).

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2016, 11:41:14 pm
content: Quote from: pmbrunelle on January 25, 2016, 11:36:06 pmYou are giving him too much credit. Let's boil anything to begin with

author: onlooker
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 12:19:41 am
content: The more interesting thing here is that the OP actually had the nerve to post something like this in this forum. I would guess he was trolling.

author: rich
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 12:28:10 am
content: Maybe he's looking for positive feedback he can use to improve the next version. It's worked in other battery threadsI think for now we can just assume the 12V lead acid battery hiding behind the panel meter plays a pivotal role somehowAnd what's up with that panel meter anyhow? - left-justified "1", not 1.000A. Perhaps even the meter is over unity.

author: alsetalokin4017
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 01:00:08 am
content: The meter is the _only_ thing that's overunity. Hey, it's digital, so it cannot be wrong, right?

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 01:10:16 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on January 25, 2016, 11:41:14 pmI did suggest that the demonstrator should drink a large glass of whatever 'water' they are boiling. Most clear room temperature liquids with a significantly lower enthalpy of vaporisation than water range from toxic to highly toxic, and if the O.P. drinks half a pint of 190 proof Everclear, at least the video should be amusing!Quote from: rich on January 26, 2016, 12:28:10 amSome meters display a left justified 1 as an out of range indicator, so I would assume it doesn't like its input signal very much.

author: Nerull
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 01:10:32 am
content: Looked up 10" fan fixture with an included light bulb, which spins much faster than that: 18WAt 300W, that fan would be trying to fly, and you'd be short a few fingers.I see lots of panel meters like that on aliexpress and ebay, none of which are left justified - but even ignoring that, its obvious this one isn't reading right, since it never moves from '1' even as voltage is going all over the place. Trying to measure currents lower than your meters resolution (not to mention accuracy!) is an exercise in futility. All these meters seem to require external shunts as well - think that's been connected right? Is it the right value? I couldn't find that even documented! Is a left justified '1' an error code?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 01:13:01 am
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 07:41:40 pmMan .. thats so cheap !Especially looking at the man hours invested and a disgruntled wife.Since you already invested so much, please do buy few decent DMMs , which are nothing compared to your investments. These to measure the IN power and OUT power, say like 4 dmms maybe at voltage and current at both in and out.I truly believe your hand capable of detecting 300 Watt of kinetic power that rotates the fan, but have you ever considered maybe its much-much more than that ? Say > 1000 Watt ? So measure it properly, who knows you can set the price for even more.Make us a believer, trust me, it will sell like hot cakes.

author: Nerull
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 01:22:58 am
content: Also, if you look very closely - his meter shows '1' before he even hooks up the fan, under "zero" load.

author: orion242
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 03:18:07 am
content: 300v @ 1aWhy the hell does the led bulb only flash briefly? should have the power to run that thing for hours.

author: alsetalokin4017
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 03:54:04 am
content: I know why, and I'll bet you do too.It is entirely possible to generate 300 watts _peak power_ or even a lot more, given only 24 VDC at 500 mA input. However this peak power will only last for a very short time, and the _average power_ will be much lower... and cannot exceed the input power, minus losses.The OP's device is an oscillator that provides pulses to the big coil. The oscillator may be self-triggered by voltage induced by the magnet on the fan shaft rotating, or it may be clocked by an R-C or other timing circuit, or even by a Hall effect sensor reading the magnetic field of the rotating magnet. These pulses provide an oscillating or pulsed magnetic field that powers the fan shaft, by alternately attracting and/or repelling the large permanent magnet attached to the shaft. Incidentally the alternating field produced by this magnet rotating induces a voltage in the smaller coil which is flashing the small LED. This sub-circuit consists only of the smaller coil and the small LED, and is clearly dissipating only microwatts of power. When the pulses that are being supplied to the bigger coil shut off, the coil's inductive discharge spike is charging a capacitor (through a diode bridge) to the higher voltage that is indicated on the meter. When the energy in the capacitor builds up to a sufficient value, the bigger LED bulb's internal power supply can briefly turn on and flash the LEDs in that bulb. This of course discharges the capacitor somewhat, and the process repeats. It is this inductive spike that is confusing the panel meter into reporting "1", which is its out-of-range or overload indication. An oscilloscope, properly connected, would easily reveal the truth of the matter.And the fan is only dissipating a few hundred mW if that much, as a simple "control experiment" test with a small DC motor and a battery power supply would reveal (using the right kind of DMMs properly deployed of course.) SO the real story is that the power supply is providing 12 Watts (if the input power can be believed) and the "loads" : turning fan, small flashing LED, big LED bulb flashing -- are only dissipating a small fraction of that input power. The rest is going into heating the big coil and the switching components in the no doubt very inefficient pulser circuit, with a small amount being radiated as RF.There is nothing "overunity" about this setup at all. And you can have that much for free.(but somebody owes me a cheezburger.....)

author: JazzHarper
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 05:07:52 am
content: Obvious troll is obvious.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 08:03:31 am
content: Quote from: JazzHarper on January 26, 2016, 05:07:52 amHe is not a troll. He is an idiot.No-one would build all that shit just to troll a forum...

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 08:11:50 am
content: Quote from: magnetman12003 on January 25, 2016, 07:41:40 pmIf you really have something, why not making the circuit and "secrets" here publicly available. You have access to many brilliant people to proof you wrong or verify your machine really is a free energy machine. If someone ever develops an overunity contraption, the only way to survive would be to put this in to the public domain and make it available to everyone.

author: CM800
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 08:12:39 am
content: Quote from: Delta on January 26, 2016, 08:03:31 amI've been sorely tempted, it would be quite a fun challenge to make a really elegant design / set up and see how many tests other people come up with I can get it to pass....but in this case I'll have to side with you.

author: Connoiseur
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2016, 08:28:57 am
content: WTF!This shit just got too much attention. OP's probably drunk, excuse him.