does the jobs forum conflict with free speach and the casual eevblog atmosphere? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: sarepairman2
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 07:32:42 pm
content: Whenever I see the jobs forum I get this chilling feeling, like perhaps free speech could be effected because corporate interests get involved. After all, fun is bad for human resources.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 07:39:28 pm
content: Quote from: sarepairman2 on February 13, 2016, 07:32:42 pmEffect: (verb) to cause to happen, to bring about

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 08:04:53 pm
content: You referring to chilling statements like:It’s a fab opportunity, I just need to somehow go down the chain of someone who knows someone, who knows someone who puts up their hand!Our engineering team is comprised of world-class multidisciplinary inventors, where the word “impossible” is not part of our lexicon.We’re seeking hands on, dedicated people who are driven to push the boundaries of technology, people who are not looking for a typical 9-to-5 desk job, who are looking to make tectonic shifts in the world of electricity.etc, etc, forever.

author: sarepairman2
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 08:45:59 pm
content: do you want your boss reading your internet posts?

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 09:20:23 pm
content: If you are concerned about your boss seeing what you say on the internet, I highly recommend Anonymity (tm). You seem to have discovered it already, though, so I'm not entirely sure what the problem is. If Anonymity (tm) is not a sufficient anti-boss product for your needs, you could also try pairing it with Not Saying Stupid Shit (tm), which I've generally found to be an unfailing combination.

author: sarepairman2
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 11:14:47 pm
content: yea but do you want a bunch of people here making posts that are infused by the job forum (oh if i make a bunch of politically correct/work friendly posts maybe my future EEVBLOG boss will read them scanning my account name)the existence of it is encouraging that behavior imo, because it makes it seem like there is money to be found on the forumits like inviting brown nosing interns

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 11:22:24 pm
content: Why would you give out your account name to an employer? Sure give your personal details and let them trawl Facebook, but why your digital avatar? I don't see how it relates short of you wanting to show them projects or experiences done under it?

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 12:05:54 am
content: Sounds like you may need to take some time to read the user manual for your Anonymity (tm).

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 12:23:13 am
content: What in the name of Jesus H Christ on a bike are you blithering about?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 01:43:37 am
content: I'm not sure I even get the question?

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 02:21:39 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 14, 2016, 01:43:37 amSomething about free peaches from what I can gather

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 02:25:27 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 14, 2016, 01:43:37 amI'm still trying to understand it myself.As for what people post on the internet - I find there is a widespread lack of understanding of the real risks, especially when a person can be readily identified. It's why I keep my cards close to my chest.... but I don't even know if that's relevant to the question.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 02:45:20 am
content: So,-------enumerate the risks!Myself,& several others on the forum,use our Amateur Radio Callsigns.In my case,for two reasons:-(1)Laziness(2)"The Blue Wombat",or something like that sounds a bit too "CB-ish"!Anyone,by doing a search on QRZ.com can determine our names,where we live,etc.I,happily,no longer have a Boss,but neither have I ever had one who was so lacking a life of his/her own,that they would trawl through countless forum postings just to find something I may have said.That said,I don't normally quote company names when I recount funny or silly anecdotes,as they have moved on from that,& the fact they did something dumb years ago shouldn't be to their detriment today.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 02:56:11 am
content: Quote from: sarepairman2 on February 13, 2016, 08:45:59 pmOkay you realize you can post under a pen-name right??While I was employed I posted on BBS sites well before the Internet became popular, I used a pseudonym... Good luck trying to figure out who I was, same here... I posted on the Internet and my employer a publishing company, never knew it.You have to be smart, not post at work, and not say anything about where you work.Be smart about it.

author: MarkDennehy
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 11:23:41 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on February 14, 2016, 02:56:11 amWelcome to the world of Big Data, where companies are getting paid metric buttloads of money to collate that data in reports for your boss (yes, this really happens, especially in larger IT companies, it's an outgrowth from applying those systems to things like insurance or welfare fraud).And if you work for a bunch of abusive asshats, yes, you watch what you say online pseudonym or not.Which presumably is what the original post was about.In some countries like Ireland, of course, we've had much worse threats than this for decades thanks to the utter pile of nonsense we call defamation laws - see the various stories about a wealthy Irishman called Denis (or Redacted if the website has a sense of humour) so we just got used to the idea that posting on the internet is legally publication, rather than stuff you'd say over a pint in the pub after work to some mates.

author: Kilrah
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 11:32:45 am
content: Quote from: Rerouter on February 13, 2016, 11:22:24 pmOP's point in my understanding is "The fact there is a job forum might affect my postings so that I appear in good light in the eyes of the job hunters, hoping one might contact me to offer me a job" e.g. through private messaging on the board.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 12:43:01 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on February 13, 2016, 07:39:28 pmDon't you meanaffect?affectverbhave an effect on; make a difference to."Effect" is more commonly used in lighting/sound/vision etc...

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 12:51:23 pm
content: ... as a noun.'Effect' the verb is as stated.

author: iampoor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 05:55:40 pm
content: If the jobs board has more postings per day than general chat, and Dave sells eevblog to LinkedIn, then maybe I could see where your coming from.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 06:54:42 pm
content: Quote from: sarepairman2 on February 13, 2016, 07:32:42 pm'human resources' is an outdated term. The HCM community now uses the terms 'human capital' and 'talent management', and sees employment is a holistic hire-to-fire' 'business process'.Doesn't it feel much better now?On the serious side, employment is highly regulated and litigious so HR people must always be extremely cautions.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2016, 11:03:02 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on February 14, 2016, 06:54:42 pmIf HR depts treated people as talented individuals and not as commodities, then they might themselves gain some respect. As it stands, any HR dept I've ever seen in operation in the past 20 years have been the most derided dept in any organisation. They tend to drive as much staff turnover as possible, thereby becoming self-serving and furnishing themselves with lucrative sweeteners from recruitment consultancies as a result. The irony is that the very department dictating what is and is not acceptable behaviour are usually the worst offenders when it comes to extracurricular freebies.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 12:10:27 am
content: Quote from: Howardlong on February 14, 2016, 11:03:02 pmI think this is excessively pessimistic. It goes against corporate goals of talent retention and managers having low attrition as one of their performance measures.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 07:53:09 am
content: Quote from: IanB on February 15, 2016, 12:10:27 amIn my experience, there has been a mentality that _high_ churn rate is a key indicator of "success" 30% is not at all unusual. Commodity driven HR depts think that if someone's been in a job for three years then they must be stale. That is why HR introduced appraisals which have gradually become little more than a method of conveniently managing out people. If you sit in the lower quartile for more than two periods with deliberately unachievable goals, then bye bye. I couldn't believe it when I first saw this in action some years ago. As a manager it is despised because even if your dept excels in every way, you have to put good individuals in the "at risk" group. It's terribly devisive, saps morale, and is at odds wih promoting teamwork.The good news is that there is evidence that profiling and stack ranking used in this way is finally becoming less popular. However the innevitable transfer of HR androids into recruitment after convenient partnerships and single supplier agreements means there's innevitably going to be an unhealthy conflict of interest.My view is that the day HR gained a spot on the boardroom table was the day it all went to shit. They are a non-core service just like facilities for example: they do not need to understand one iota of the business, and as such they should not be driving any business decisions.

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 06:08:04 pm
content: My view is that the day "employment department" or if it was "personnel office" renamed itself into "HR" and maneuvered them self's into daily business decisions all went down hill!

author: eas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2016, 08:27:43 pm
content: If you are worried about shitting where you eat, shit in the toilet, eat in the kitchen.People had gossip, rumor, small-talk, reputations and accountability long before electronic communications existed.As for the hypothetical concern that the presence of a job forum will cause people to limit what they say here more than they otherwise would, that seems unlikely.What's the prevailing purpose and culture of the community? Learning, teaching, sharing, bitching? Yeah. Finding one's next gig? Only in so much as it flows from 1) Most people have a job 2) Companies need people to do work 3) The focus of this forum involves marketable skills.

author: sarepairman2
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2016, 09:04:14 pm
content: "please pm for details"mandate that job listings provide a email address or such, and make it a term of advertising here that the poster cannot ask for forum username details.otherwise you need to register a 0 post account.

author: Len
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2016, 11:17:32 pm
content: Quote from: sarepairman2 on February 22, 2016, 09:04:14 pmWhy wouldn't you want prospective employers to read your comments on an electronics forumwhich you have already posted in public for anyone to read?Unless you're lying on your job application and you don't want them to find out that you're a noob?Anyway, you're always free to simply not reply to job postings on the forum. You can find all those job openings posted elsewhere. So I don't see how the job forum interferes with your use of EEVBlog if you just ignore it.And if you're serious about getting a job, is creating a new account for job replies too much trouble?

author: sarepairman2
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2016, 01:35:29 am
content: Quote from: Len on February 22, 2016, 11:17:32 pmi bet i can find a reason to find you hanged in this post if i really tried

author: strangersound
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2016, 06:19:27 pm
content: Grammar nazis hammered the use of 'effect' vs 'affect', yet didn't note the incorrect spelling of 'speech' in the title? You guys are slipping.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2016, 09:24:42 pm
content: Quote from: strangersound on March 01, 2016, 06:19:27 pmYou are joking? I refer you to my earlier post on page #1... complete with youtube video

author: strangersound
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2016, 09:40:34 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on March 01, 2016, 09:24:42 pmUh...proof that even if you look through a couple of times, you still might miss what you're looking for. Sorry.