5G Auction Threatens National Security, According to Meteorologists, Accuweather - Page 1
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author: windsmurf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 12:12:09 am
content: 5G Auction Threatens National Security, According to Meteorologists, Accuweatherhttps://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/does-5g-expansion-threaten-weather-forecasting-national-security-and-the-lives-of-americans/70008605

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 12:39:32 am
content: It's fine to have "concerns" but has anyone actually tested it?Some of the comments are hilarious too, for example this gem: "5G must be stopped until proven to be safe".

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 01:58:09 am
content: OMFG! If I see one more conspiracy theory regarding new technology, we might as well nuke the world and get it over with.Those things don't give a crap about piss ant little antennas, how many of them would it take to look like hurricane? A million? They seem to think it's the RF version of Deck the Halls.

author: windsmurf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 03:29:27 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on June 26, 2019, 01:58:09 amThere's quite a few groups that have filed concern, including NASA, NOAA, US Navy, American Geophysical Union (AGU), and dozens of other scientific organizations.https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/05/5g-networks-will-likely-interfere-with-us-weather-satellites-navy-warns/

author: windsmurf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 03:52:23 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on June 26, 2019, 03:39:55 amFrom what I understand, its nor RADAR... its passive emissions from water vapor from the atmosphere. Since its such a miniscule emission, active emissions near this frequency could undermine the satellite's ability to detect it.https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/21/will-5g-undermine-weather-prediction/

author: windsmurf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 04:18:30 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on June 26, 2019, 03:59:30 amThe concern is with bleedover into that range, as the FCC has allowed for a bleed-over of -20dB. Additionally, low quality filtering on cell towers, they fear, can cause even more bleedover, effectively blinding the satellites.https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Navy%2024Hz%205G%20Spectrum%20Impacts.pdf

author: Kleinstein
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 07:43:09 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on June 26, 2019, 03:59:30 amThe receivers may be able to ignore th 24.25 GHz signal - though it is not convenient with a broad band receiver and not all old satellites may do that.However this does not help if the sender not only uses the 24.25 GHz Band, but also sends out some signal at 23.8 GHz. The problem seems to be that FCC not only wants to sell license for the actual band but also allow too much leakage - things seem to OK if they would limit leakage to some -60 dB instead of some -20 dB. For me -20 dB leakage to neighboring bands sound like a ridiculous low requirement - though -60 dB may get difficult.The final word on the leakage may be with the international organization anyway - so the FCC is kind of trying to auction a thing they don't even own. If other countries complain they may have to apply lower limits. So the telecom companies should be warned that they may not get what they which for and bribing FCC may not be enough.

author: johnh
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 08:43:31 am
content: Some one in the know told me that announce the powering up of new location. But, don't actually power them up for few weeks.That way they can identify all the wackos that complain about the base station RF signals making them sick.

author: JVR
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 10:20:12 am
content: This video is quite intersting on the effect of 5G on RADAR

author: windsmurf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 26, 2019, 06:45:17 pm
content: Quote from: JVR on June 26, 2019, 10:20:12 am... that video was about 5Ghz wifi and not 5G... but thank you that was interesting and relevant to the topic.

author: windsmurf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2019, 09:32:58 pm
content: Republicans accuse 5G advisor who voiced concerns of the scientific community as acting out of "personal animosity"https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/06/28/us_spectrum_row/

author: ajb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 28, 2019, 10:42:58 pm
content: The title of the article in the OP and the OP itself are clickbait-ishly misleading. The issue isn't 5G, it's the proposed allocation of part of the 24GHz band that is adjacent to a critical frequency used for water vapor measurements without adequate limits on out-of-band emissions. I'll admit that it doesn't make for quite as snappy of a headline.Quote from: Halcyon on June 26, 2019, 12:39:32 amApparently, yes, both NOAA and NASA have conducted studies that concluded the proposed use of the spectrum would be detrimental to critical weather satellites. From the Ars Technica article:QuoteThe memo suggested that the out-of-band emission limits should be reduced to at least -57dB.The objections lodged by congress to the FCC's plans are based on the fact that the FCC has not provided a rationale for proceeding with their plan in spite of the objections lodged by the operators of weather satellites (and the consumers of the data furnished by those satellites, like the Navy). This is not unusual for the FCC under the current administration, which has plowed forward on a number of pro-industry initiatives at the expense of consumers and the public interest.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2019, 08:44:01 pm
content: Hmm where is the problem? 5G run on the 3Ghz Band war away from the interference?!

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2019, 11:13:00 pm
content: I still watch it. The Links are still out dated.for CZ Wifi List:http://radar4ctu.bourky.cz/Ruseni.htmlHere I found the Map with the Weather Radar Station:http://eumetnet.eu/wp-content/themes/aeron-child/observations-programme/current-activities/opera/database/OPERA_Database/index.htmlIf someone want look what it reach Vienna.......Regulation for 5Ghz in Austria:https://www.rtr.at/de/tk/Spektrum5GHz

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2019, 12:09:42 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on June 26, 2019, 12:39:32 amDid you even bother look at Ericssons 5G radiation safe zones map before making that naive comment? off-course not!Do you even bother to care a minimum of the recent 5G test DDD syndome? (Dead Dutch Ducks).5G is needed for Technocratic World Order, Rotchild, Rockerfella, Trilateral Comission, Club of Rome, Atlantic Council, CFR, Skull and Bones people.