Brymen 869s and TME (positive experience) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: terryt
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2016, 02:14:25 am
content: Thought I should post my experience here for the possible benefit of other newbies like myself, especially about buying from TME.I needed a DMM to replace my dead (secondhand) Fluke 79II so I browsed this site several times for posts to help with my decision.Lots of information to digest but eventually shortlisted my wish list to the Fluke 87V and Brymen 869s. The Fluke brand wins bragging rights in my circle of motor racing friends but the Brymen 869s wins value-for-money, imo.I love quality automotive tools/testers/meters etc but I'm not a professional or qualified "anything" so this time I let my wallet sway my heart and I got the Brymen 869s.Ordered and paid for the Brymen from TME (Poland) last Sunday night (11.50pm) and received it at my home this morning in Australia (Thursday, 10 am). Delivery took only 3-4 days, that's exceptional service. DHL is great. I often have to wait longer to get deliveries from suppliers in my own State!Approx cost: $245 USD, delivered. (Think it was $225 + $20 USD).I had enough time before posting to test the Brymen's volt and ohm functions against my PentaRef and DMMCheck Plus...and I left my bench smiling. All good so far.Post Edit: Changed incorrect reference to Brymen "689S" to correct "869s".

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2016, 02:18:46 am
content: 869s? I don't see a 689s listed on TMEs site.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2016, 02:26:21 am
content: Quote from: terryt on October 13, 2016, 02:14:25 amIf you would like to try and repair your Fluke 79II, start a new thread under the repair section and I can make some suggestions.

author: terryt
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2016, 03:32:38 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on October 13, 2016, 02:18:46 amSorry, my bad, I meant "869s". Have corrected my post. Thanks. (At my age I should know not to trust numbers to memory from the garage to the computer).

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2016, 03:36:06 am
content: Quote from: terryt on October 13, 2016, 03:32:38 amSame here. It's been a really nice meter for me. I also bought mine from TME. No problems what so ever with them.

author: terryt
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2016, 03:39:37 am
content: Quote from: retiredcaps on October 13, 2016, 02:26:21 amThank you for the offer, appreciated, but my 79II is not recoverable.

author: sainter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2016, 04:58:14 am
content: Bought mine 867s from TME also. Nice people. Will order from TME again for sure. No problem with the shipping or the DMM.

author: DaJMasta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2016, 06:02:39 pm
content: Also got a BM867 from them about a year ago. Something like $150US for the meter and $10 for shipping (to the US) and it arrived in just a couple of days, when the need arises again, they're certainly a good consideration for a supplier.For the Brymen meters, they seemed to be a bunch cheaper than most alternatives (and rebrands) available from US sellers (though that was before the EEVblog meter)

author: jackenhack
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2016, 09:01:25 am
content: Same here. Got my Brymen 869s from TME and had it in Sweden after a couple of days. Very pleased with the unit.

author: bloddybrian
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 21, 2016, 08:45:20 pm
content: I just got mine today from TME. it seems very nice.I have a question though. It says the temperature can be read up to 1000c, but what temperature is the plastic coating on the thermocouple safe to.I can find no mention of this.Thanks.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2016, 11:38:48 pm
content: Quote from: bloddybrian on November 21, 2016, 08:45:20 pmThat's a good question. The BM235 came with the same probe as the BM869s. When I ran the temperature tests, I had it up to 450C and I can tell you the jacket will not take that. If you need to read temperatures you may want to invest in some good probes.

author: AngusBeef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2019, 08:37:24 pm
content: Resurrection time....Is TME still the best place to buy a Brymen 869s, is there a rebrand comparatively priced, or is there a better place to buy one in 2019?Thanks!Edit: for the USA

author: electricMN
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 12:10:40 am
content: Quote from: AngusBeef on September 03, 2019, 08:37:24 pmTME is probably the best place to buy for the USA. Some Greenlee DMMs are rebranded Brymens but at a very premium price. YMMV

author: AngusBeef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 12:22:03 am
content: Quote from: electricMN on September 04, 2019, 12:10:40 amThanks! I appreciate it

author: Corner
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 12:23:20 am
content: I also ordered my BM869s from tme.eu and it arrived here in Melbourne in exactly 4 days! Yes, it's indeed faster than a lot of postal services I received within my own state!

author: zelmo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 02:30:40 pm
content: Quote from: Corner on September 04, 2019, 12:23:20 amDid they send it with a signature required for delivery?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 02:56:03 pm
content: This thread is useless without pics of the new meter...Did you escape import taxes?(I'm guessing "yes" simply because it wasn't delayed for a week by bureaucrats...)Quote from: terryt on October 13, 2016, 02:14:25 amMy BM857s seems to be accurate down to the last digit (as far as I can tell with my limited equipment and comparing against another 6.5 digit meter).With a 50,000/500,000 count meter that probably means ambient temperature is a very real problem.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 03:00:33 pm
content: Quote from: terryt on October 13, 2016, 02:14:25 amI thought you went for the 859, not the 869...

author: chronos42
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 03:03:16 pm
content: Quote from: AngusBeef on September 03, 2019, 08:37:24 pmNot sure if this is also true for the USA, but my best place to buy Brymen (and 121GW) stuff is Welectron. The Company is 10 minutes with the bicycle from my home, so I don't need to wait for delivering. I ordered and then went the next day to Welectron and take it.I do not know what experiences US customers have with Welectron, but mine always were very good.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 03:16:06 pm
content: Quote from: chronos42 on September 04, 2019, 03:03:16 pmI got mine from Welectron because they do free shipping here in Europe. They seem to have a direct relationship with Brymen because the serial number sticker on the back of the meter actually says "Welectron" on it.Welectron do a special "plus" edition of the meters where you get some gold-plated probes and a Brymen carry case. I went for that one and a few minutes later I had an email saying they didn't have any 857 plus packs in stock, that it would take 30 days to get one from Brymen, and would it be OK if they send me an ordinary 857 but with the leads swapped and a Brymen case thrown in the parcel. I said "yes" and it turned up two days later.I don't know if they ship to the USA but Welectron get a thumbs up from me.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 03:42:04 pm
content: I buy stuff from both TME and Welectron. They are both very good, but Welectron is my current favorite for Brymen (and PACE).Like Fungus says, not only they have best prices, but they also have good customer support.EU delivery is free from them, but you should check for USA..

author: zelmo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 05:37:04 pm
content: Being in the USA I have always had issues with ordering from overseas due to the VAT. In the case of Brymen I had to bite the bullet and pay it since it was still less expensive than my other options.That still doesn't do much to ease the pain of triple taxation.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 06:02:01 pm
content: Quote from: zelmo on September 04, 2019, 05:37:04 pmWhen buying from EU, euro VAT will not be charged when exporting to USA. So you only pay import fees and local sales tax (that is 5-6% compared to 25% VAt in my country..). So I figure you still get similar price as end user in EU even with import cost... What was you final cost ?

author: zelmo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 06:10:40 pm
content: The price I paid at TME for the BM859 said that VAT was included at a 23% rate. Price was $198 and change. They were offering a Labor Day discount which lowered it to $182.54.Maybe I should have shopped some more.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 06:16:57 pm
content: Quote from: zelmo on September 04, 2019, 06:10:40 pmThat's definitely not right. VAT is local sales tax, and should not be applied if exporting outside EU. Next time make sure they don't charge you..For instance Welectron has this on their site:Payment fees: 3% fee for PayPal, no fee for bank transferVAT free: Delivery outside of EU is VAT freeOther fees: Possible charges in the destination country have to be paid by the customerWhich is right.

author: zelmo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 06:48:27 pm
content: I stand corrected. I went back and looked and the fine print says price is without VAT.I don’t remember where I saw that it was included. Must have been when I first landed on their international site.

author: AngusBeef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 08:51:19 pm
content: I appreciate the help everyone - because TME is in Poland and I'll be living in Poland in a couple months I will hold off and buy it there. I hope they don't have a storefront otherwise I'll drool all over the equipment

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 09:56:14 pm
content: Quote from: AngusBeef on September 04, 2019, 08:51:19 pmIt might be more expensive if you have to pay European VAT.

author: AngusBeef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 10:19:53 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 04, 2019, 09:56:14 pmI'll have to do some math

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 10:29:11 pm
content: Coincidentally for the first time in two or three years, because of the Labor Day weekend in the US affecting Mouser and Digikey, this week I've used TME not once but twice for parts not stocked by RS or Farnell, and both orders were received the next day in the UK. I don't know what their cut off time is for next day delivery, but one of the orders was placed at 13:20 UK time (14:20 Poland time) and it was with me by 11:00 the next day.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 01:40:28 am
content: Quote from: Howardlong on September 04, 2019, 10:29:11 pmNever used them for components but I just checked and it looks like their shipping rates are much lower than mouser/farnell (who have a minimum shipping fee of 12/20 Euros respectively).

author: John B
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 02:13:15 am
content: Good to know, it works out around $380. The cheapest I have seen the 869 sold locally for is $600 and even that is cheap compared to the 87V. I have the 869 myself. Very accurate, very good bandwidth for a multimeter, although a few quirks with AC + a DC offset.

author: AngusBeef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 03:26:13 am
content: Quote from: John B on September 05, 2019, 02:13:15 amWhat do you mean about the AC + DC offset?

author: Corner
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 04:36:17 am
content: Quote from: zelmo on September 04, 2019, 02:30:40 pmI got it sent to work and the reception received it and then passed onto me. If i have to guess, then yes because DHL always requires a signature on delivery.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 06:35:57 am
content: Was it an 859 or an 869 ... ?

author: evava
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 11:56:39 am
content: Quote from: AngusBeef on September 05, 2019, 03:26:13 amMaybe he means this?https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/some-problems-with-my-brymen-bm869s/QuoteAFAIK only expensive Flukes handle this.. and that's why I use handheld Flukes whenever possible (another source of errors removed).

author: AngusBeef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 06:48:34 pm
content: Quote from: evava on September 05, 2019, 11:56:39 amThanks, it looks exactly like what he means... But it seems like it's more a function of the TRMS than meter sensitivity...I will just use the brymen on the DC waveform and a non-TRMS meters in parallel if I must measure both and AC and a DC low voltage circuit on the same line

author: electricMN
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 07:01:06 pm
content: Quote from: zelmo on September 04, 2019, 02:30:40 pmI did not have to sign for the package when I received my BM869s from TME.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 07:06:12 pm
content: BTW, if you buy from europe, there are a few categories where TME really rocks:* soldering equipment and supplies* measurement equipment* wires* measurement accessories (ex. leads)* connectors* cable assemblies* power supplies* screws, bolts, fasteners etc etc

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 07:15:21 pm
content: Quote from: AngusBeef on September 05, 2019, 06:48:34 pmThere are no meters that I know of that will SIMULTANEOUSLY measure 200V DC and 50 mV AC in dual display mode.That would mean completely separated input paths for AC and DC with two separate attenuators etc..So I don't expect BM869 to be able to do it, but I think there might have been a way to warn about overload if one exists....Brymen really has 3 voltage modes: AC volts (with DC block capacitor, RMS), DC Volts (that is DC coupled and provides AC+DC TRMS mode), and DC mV mode (that is DC coupled and provides AC+DC TRMS mode). They didn't put in 4th position with AC mV that would be only AC coupled.It would be nice if they did, but not really a problem, it's easy enough to connect a 1000V block capacitor in series with meter. But you need to know that you need to do it.OTOH, having really high resolution, most of the time you can measure on VAC function, that IS AC coupled. You need 500mV AC range only for really small signals, in which case you need to be careful what an how you measure because you will have lot of unwanted signal in result too..Know your instrument. Plan your measurement. Control your results.

author: AngusBeef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 07:41:19 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 05, 2019, 07:15:21 pmThis kind of knowledge is why I'm here

author: AngusBeef
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2019, 05:48:43 pm
content: Quote from: John B on September 05, 2019, 02:13:15 amI just paid $229 USD shipped to the US. 10 USD was shipping cost(From TME)

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 09:09:20 pm
content: Hi,Now I´m a owner of the 869s too.Bought from welectron for 209€.Looks really nice and more expensive as it costs - Today I´ve started some measurements using a frequency generator with sine output and different frequencies, in comparision with a fluke 87 V and a keysight bench dmm, all parallel.The claimed 100khz measure range seems to be true, but I want to know it´s general accuracy exactly.So what to do...we don´t have references at work, buying/building references only for me makes no sense.I saw, welectron offers calibrating service to the 869s - too late.Now I will send it back for calibrating.Will cost about 79...99€ additional, for me it´s worth it.Will post the results when getting the brymen back.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 11:37:56 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on December 19, 2019, 09:09:20 pmIt probably will be well withing spec. But having independent verification is always nice..I will be sending mine for calibration next month, it's been 2 years since I bought it ... Together with MTX 3293... I'm curious which one held specs better...As for BM869 bandwidth, I did take a detailed sweep some time ago .. In attachment

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2019, 11:35:55 pm
content: Thank you Sinisa.Here a pic measuring 100khz sinewave with 5vpp ( 1.7677 vrms) with Brymen, Fluke, Keysight…..

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 31, 2020, 03:32:51 am
content: I purchased a Brymen 869s from TME also and just like the OP, I had a positive experience.Considering that this is my first overseas purchase, I did not think that things would move as fast as they did. I had the meter in my hands a few days after ordering it.Thank you TME!!! I will definitally purchase from you again.-G

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2020, 08:48:18 pm
content: QuoteAt last, I´ve just ordered it now….Results will follow in appx 2 weeks, I´m curious about...

author: skander36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2020, 08:07:38 am
content: I also get my 867 from Welectron , and without VAT (EUROPE).They have the best price 209E (TVA included) vs 238E (TVA included) at TME.I like TME offer and delivery services but they are in another league (with Mouser, Farnell, DigiKey, etc.). Mouser charge 20E for delivery so not on my list forever.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 07:54:51 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on March 08, 2020, 08:48:18 pmToday it has arrived back to me.Together with an 11-pages calibration document.Nice:In the 480VAC/20Khz it was out of range and they readjusted it back.(At work, our calibration service simply noticed there was an out of range error and rejected the DUT.)Tomorrow I´ll post some measuring results from the document - They have tested ACV up to 1000V,up to 100Khz, DCV up to 1000V, DC+AC Voltage up to 1000V, AC current, DC current, AC+DC current, VFD ACV, capacity, resistance, frequency.Looks really good, won´t regret spending the extra money for it.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 07:56:59 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on April 02, 2020, 07:54:51 pmThat's great news Martin!I didn't send my two meters yet. Looking forward to see docs..I still plan to do it, but not sure when..

author: NoisyBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 08:10:59 pm
content: Wonderful Martin72, I always have all my DMMs calibrated back at Keysight annually. You are taking it up to another level to do that with handheld as well, nice job. It is great to have meters that we can trust the reading 100%.Quote from: Martin72 on April 02, 2020, 07:54:51 pm

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 08:11:49 pm
content: This is the calibration service, welectron sends it to them:https://kalibrierlabor.de/

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 08:15:11 pm
content: Quote from: NoisyBoy on April 02, 2020, 08:10:59 pmYes and the ( for me new) fact, that they´re gonna adjust it too, makes me think about to calibrate it annual - Formerly, I want to do this once to know, what Brymen offers with the 869s.It´s surely worth the money (83€ incl. shipping.

author: exe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 02, 2020, 08:22:41 pm
content: Quote from: skander36 on March 09, 2020, 08:07:38 amInteresting, for me they deliver for free for orders above 50euro+VAT.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 09:51:27 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on April 02, 2020, 07:56:59 pmVoila...

author: skander36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 10:47:56 am
content: Quote from: exe on April 02, 2020, 08:22:41 pmI have not visit from some time their site .I can see that now they has revised prices :Free ShippingYou can now enjoy free shipping whenever your order is over 50€ EUR, 210 RON or $60 USD. **They are in line with Digikey (210 RON) , but far behind of TME where for normal orders can pay as low as 4,5 E per package .

author: exe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2020, 11:03:21 am
content: Quote from: skander36 on April 03, 2020, 10:47:56 amIn my region they always charge me 8euro for delivery. So, I guess, in different regions there are different prices. I for now switched to Mouser because they have much bigger range. Although, I balance orders because some parts are cheaper from TME. I also buy stuff from LCSC, when I'm willing to wait, or want to try an "obscure" Asian brand.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2020, 03:50:40 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on October 13, 2016, 02:18:46 amSearch BM869. Look at that listing. BM869 is TME's part number, the manufacturer's part number is BM869s.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2020, 03:58:37 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 04, 2019, 06:02:01 pmThey did not charge me VAT.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2020, 04:29:38 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyG56 on April 23, 2020, 03:50:40 pmHad you checked the date, you would have realized my post was very old. You then failed to understand it was in regards to the previous post where the OP was asking about an invalid part number. They had corrected their post after I had asked.Quote from: terryt on October 13, 2016, 02:14:25 am

author: engrguy42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2020, 09:43:06 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on April 23, 2020, 04:29:38 pmHey, wait a minute...Is this the Joe Smith who does those amazing handheld meter videos?I'm not worthy...

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2020, 11:45:39 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on April 23, 2020, 04:29:38 pmHey Rambo.. had you quoted the question... Couldn't just let it go, could ya.... frigin keyboard know it all.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2020, 11:53:08 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyG56 on April 23, 2020, 11:45:39 pmLearn to read and comprehend and you will get much further in life than typing dribble on the PC all day in mom and dads basement.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2020, 11:57:36 pm
content: Quote from: engrguy42 on April 23, 2020, 09:43:06 pmI've ran several tests comparing various handheld meters but wouldn't say they are amazing by any stretch or that anyone wouldn't be worthy. Maybe when Dave starts selling his new top secrete meter, I will include it in the mix.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 24, 2020, 12:16:16 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on April 23, 2020, 11:53:08 pmMoving on....

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2020, 01:05:21 am
content: Mr. Smith has copped a seriously unhappy camper@ JohnnyG56,at 21 posts cred, go easy on the tall poppy thing mate before someone hits the Report thing on yafwiw Mr. Smith has done a lot of good miles here and Youtube,and whatever you may think of him and or based on his typed attitudes,they are his privilege to exercise and no one else to judgeI dare say the gent has forgotten more about multimeters than most of us prodders will ever know the ins/outs of and fixesLet's all be buds (or at least pretend convincingly) and moving on..

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 24, 2020, 02:45:51 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on April 24, 2020, 01:05:21 amI got nothing against him. In fact, I was trying to be helpful with my reply. Yes, I didn't realize that his post was before mine so I replied to say that TME lists the BM869s meter as a BM869. Granted, I could have read the date of his post and I could have checked his "status".But someone with his post count has no need to jump on someone like me.. as you pointed out, I am nothing here compared to him.Here is the thing, shortly after leaving the previous post, I saw someone else with 5000+ posts letting someone with just a few posts know how inferior they are. Much like you comparing my 22 posts to his 6000+Maybe that is just the way it is here.... you have to kiss a lot of high post count asses before you are accepted.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2020, 03:17:33 am
content: LOL sometimes you can have quite a few posts and still never be accepted, kissing ass () or notHow do I know this ?I got baited a couple of times real good, complete with the Report thing, till I picked up on the gameThat's why I stuck my nose here before any shtfDJ runs a top forum here, but he and the Mods can't be everywhere, doing unpaid workreading pages and pages of comments, replies, baits, trolling, shill work, misunderstandings agro etc and or make a decision that favors everyone

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 24, 2020, 03:39:45 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on April 24, 2020, 03:17:33 amTrue... I did the webmaster thing for a really big motorcycle owners group. Totally unpaid and very much a full-time job. We had our high and mighty keyboard jockeys too. When I first took over, membership was a swinging door. We had just about as many quit as we did that signed up, the membership numbers were stagnant.I gave the moderators more control and had them shut the keyboard jockeys down. We were quick to delete posts that were unhealthy for the community. To stay alive we understood that we needed the experts but we knew that we needed the lurkers and low posters too.In my 5 years of doing the job, the membership grew. It wasn't that we had more signing up, we just had more staying.Take care ED-G

author: J-R
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2020, 07:23:34 am
content: I'll say I literally laugh out loud every time I read this post, and of course my brain reads it in their own voices too:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/amazon-do-multimeters-now/msg3026854/#msg3026854

author: engrguy42
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2020, 09:35:57 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on April 23, 2020, 11:57:36 pmI greatly respect how you approach things, looking for facts and knowing how to get them. That's very rare. Especially in this world where entertainment rules and often facts take a back seat to "Ooo, shiny !!" .Anyway, thanks. For me your stuff is a breath of fresh air.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2020, 12:00:30 am
content: Quote from: engrguy42 on April 24, 2020, 09:35:57 pmYea, I never considered that channel to make for good entertainment. More just a data dump showing some tests I have ran for my own amusement. I doubt I will look at too many more handheld meters. There is little interest in it and we don't see too many people suggesting to put vasoline in your meters anymore.Quote from: JohnnyG56 on April 24, 2020, 12:16:16 amNo problem. Just to clear the air, I caught your post before you removed it. No big deal. Yes, my posts are pretty much the way I am in person, for better or worse. As for the ass kicking, you may find as you mature to where violence becomes less of a thing.As for the comments on the YT channel, I tend to agree with you. I'm not trying to teach the basics and it's a poor channel for the beginner. On the plus side, there are plenty of great channels to choose from. If you have a channel, post the link.For your keyboard jockey comment, I do post a fair amount and present a lot of information about projects I work on. I try to help people out when a subject interests me. I'm perfectly fine with you calling me out for it.Quote from: J-R on April 24, 2020, 07:23:34 amWhere is that poke the bear icon when I need it.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2020, 03:09:41 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on April 25, 2020, 12:00:30 amGood to hear you are fine. You have a few popular video's and people treat you like a celebrity on this forum. You say you are not worthy but in reality, you thrive on it because it feeds your ego. As if that is not enough, you still feel the need to show us, low count, new members how manly you are by flexing your internet muscles and rudely point out harmless mistakes.Some forums attract people that love to read their own words and there are plenty of others here that are just like you, high post count and RAF.You say that you are that guy but I have never met that guy in person... only on the internet.Shall we continue? Sure, why not. People like you think you are great for the forum. You help some...which is great but you also create a hostile environment. That drives off people that might otherwise become a productive contributor.I am not who or what you think I am and I am not a fan of people that feel that shiting on others is OK. Your video's and post count don't give you that right.So, congratulation... you are the man!!!

author: stafil
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2020, 03:19:38 am
content: Another happy TME customer. Would prefer it if the didn't stick that sticker in Polish in the back thought..

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2020, 07:41:01 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyG56 on April 25, 2020, 03:09:41 amThere is no need to take that tone no matter how you feel you might have been replied to, rather do some research on a guy to get their POV.Joe in some way that he's not likely to give a toss about is in some way a victim of his own success as few ever have gone to as much trouble investigating the robustness of DMM's and in doing so has suffered a good amount of flak from those that can't/won't/are unable to see the big picture.FYI, go do some study here and you will learn something as ever member here also has:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hear-kitty-kitty-kitty-nope-not-that-kind-of-cat/BTW, the thread URL hides the real topic of the thread.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2020, 03:39:12 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyG56 on April 25, 2020, 03:09:41 amI doubt anyone considers me a celebrity. Few videos is right, the channel is very small but larger than I would have ever expected based on the content. It's been a few months since I have made any videos but if someones goal was to create a channel just for the purpose of boosting their ego, I suggest not taking the path I have. High cost, time invested and dealing with trolls.... Certainly there are better ways. Maybe help out with your local community.Quote from: JohnnyG56 on April 25, 2020, 03:09:41 amWhat you see as a hostile environment, I saw as a minor correction which caused your own insecurities to take over and start in with the name calling and ass kicking comments. Certainly Dave is capable of deciding if I am a detriment to his site or not. We have seen cases where high posters have been removed so I'm sure he could correct it if it becomes a problem.If you are going to necropost, I suggest you read and understand the content is all. Seeing there was only one other post at the time, I saw no reason to quote them as you pointed out as it was obvious who the comment was directed towards.