PSoC 6 101 - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: ShowKemp
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2017, 05:01:37 pm
content: Seems like the PSoC 6 devices are soon to be available, at least Cypress is uploading 101 type videos to get started with them:Lesson 1-1 Introduction:

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2017, 05:29:34 pm
content: If they put the PSOC 6 parts onto readily available (Digikey etc), cheap (<$10), small tiny development boards (like they have with the PSOC 5's/059's etc). Then that will be good and interesting.Currently, no such boards seem to be available.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2017, 05:55:31 pm
content: Boards are expected in stock by the end of the First Quarter 2018. So, about 6 months from now. That's pretty useless...

author: ShowKemp
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2017, 07:23:47 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on September 29, 2017, 05:29:34 pmA lot of people requested that on the forum, Cypress said they will but tbh i don't think it will be <$10.Quote from: rstofer on September 29, 2017, 05:55:31 pmHeresomebody reported a mail from digikey, i'm not going to buy this kit, will wait until the tiny dev kits are available, mid 2018 i guess.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2017, 07:33:18 pm
content: Quote from: ShowKemp on September 29, 2017, 07:23:47 pmI'm still keen, on at least trying some, even if it is a fair bit more than $10.But the nice thing about the current ones, which are below $10, and in some cases a lot lower. Is that they are cheap and small enough to design into lower end projects, without worrying about re-use.

author: hendorog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2017, 07:45:49 pm
content: Looking forward to seeing how he will implement the Wifi/Internet integration mentioned in the video.It ain't "IoT" if it isn't connected to the "I"

author: ShowKemp
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2017, 08:23:35 pm
content: Just found this press releaseCypress' PSoC 6 MCU, the Industry's Lowest Power, Most Flexible IoT Solution, is Now Ready for Designers to Start InnovatingQuoteQuoteQuote from: hendorog on September 29, 2017, 07:45:49 pmIn Alan's blog (iotexpert.com) he is being playing a lot with Particle boards and Cypress Wiced chips.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2017, 08:38:50 pm
content: Maybe this should be a separate thread...At my age, I don't make plans 6 months out yet somehow I think I might learn a bit from the PSoC series of chips/boards.I want the board used in the video but, if I can't get that board, what should I buy to get a headstart on PSoC 6. I might even want it to have the Arduino form factor so I can get a jump on the robot as well. On board gadgets would be nice. An optional display would be even better.Let's pretend that cost is not a constraint. My wife's at work when the packages arrive...We don't have to pretend that I know anything about PSoC - I don't.

author: hendorog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2017, 09:00:40 pm
content: Quote from: hendorog on September 29, 2017, 07:45:49 pmIn Alan's blog (iotexpert.com) he is being playing a lot with Particle boards and Cypress Wiced chips.Thanks that page is useful - I could never grok WiCED and where it fits in from reading the Cypress website, so I pretty much ignored it. The ESP 8266 stuff is just much more accessible.I still reckon a WiFi enabled PSoC would be great, but there must not be a market for it or they would have done it.

author: nimish
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2017, 09:01:32 pm
content: Quote from: hendorog on September 29, 2017, 09:00:40 pmYeah a PSOC + Wifi + bluetooth, i.e. a PSoC esp32, would be killer. No idea why they want a multichip solution. Every IoT device or whatever needs a radio, it should just be integrated. ESP32 is cheaper and better for my tasks, beyond the interesting stuff w.r.t programmable analogThanks that page is useful - I could never grok WiCED and where it fits in from reading the Cypress website, so I pretty much ignored it. The ESP 8266 stuff is just much more accessible.I still reckon a WiFi enabled PSoC would be great, but there must not be a market for it or they would have done it.

author: ebclr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2017, 09:23:03 pm
content: Psoc is much more than esp32, and never will be priced as esp32, The point in psoc is a system on a chip

author: nimish
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2017, 12:05:55 am
content: Quote from: ebclr on September 30, 2017, 09:23:03 pmEsp32 is a far more integrated (read : lower complexity implementation system) device if you need wifi and Bluetooth so it's a much better SoC than a psoc and wiced not to mention cheaper.Like I said it's not clear why psoc with wifi integrated haven't been developed but hopefully the wiced acquisition spurs some development since the programmable bit of psoc is neat and would have saved my ass a few timesSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

author: Neganur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 01, 2017, 06:25:53 am
content: http://www.cypress.com/microcontrollers-mcus-kits75 USD when they finally have stock to sell... (at least I think they won't sell out as quickly as the PSoC5 dev kits did lol)

author: jnz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2017, 04:23:19 pm
content: His enthusiasm about security made me giggle... I just had a project come up where the PSoC6 might be helpful so I'm going to keep watching.

author: julianhigginson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2017, 05:29:03 am
content: I really like the idea of an embedded IC with a proper dedicated communications coprocessor that leaves a main core more or less alone to do the application work - because time and time again I've seen projects using manufacturer supplied comms stacks with the application code on a single processor end up in all sorts of hell once they go over some undisclosed limit of processor time or interrupt latency or some requirement for some combination of peripherals (just finished up a project, where I was just doing hardware design, it was using one of the nrf52 parts with the nordic softdevice because the product needed bluetooth and I was instructed to make it the only processor for the system so we "didn't have to program multiple processors in production"... we had 2 programmers trying to make a non-trivial real-time application work alongside the nordic softdevice, and it was so painful to watch! Having that crazy binary blob running alongside our code made all sorts of things that would normally be fine into impossible challenges, and probably doubled the application development time)Anyway - I'm definitely excited to see the PSoC6 coming out after such a long announcement time.... Mouser seems to be the next to receive eval boards to send out - if their backorder info is to be trusted.

author: andyturk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2017, 02:37:36 pm
content: Quote from: julianhigginson on October 12, 2017, 05:29:03 amYup.debugging in the presence of the soft device is no fun.

author: Macman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2017, 04:30:12 pm
content: The PSOC 6 BLE pioneer kits with the e-ink display are now in stock at RS components in the UK.I have ordered a kit but having looked at the silicon and software release notes maybe I should have waited a bit longer. There is supposed to be an updated revision of the silicon released later this year.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2017, 05:12:31 pm
content: Quote from: julianhigginson on October 12, 2017, 05:29:03 amThat’s one thing I really like about the CC3200 series WiFi MCUs from TI. Essentially a Cortex M0 and M3 on a single chip, with the M0 running the WiFi stack and talking to the M3 (which runs user code) over a shared memory bus.Their Bluetooth MCUs work the same way (plus some of them even have a third, ultra low power, non-ARM core designed exclusively for gathering sensor data while the main/BT processor is asleep).

author: julianhigginson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2017, 10:50:42 am
content: Quote from: Macman on October 13, 2017, 04:30:12 pmI first tried ordering from RS this week - when I ordered on the 11th they had parts shown as scheduled to send from UK on 13th... I rang up and spoke to someone there about estimated ship times and was informed it was totally solid if it was on the website.... so I ordered. Then 30 minutes after ordering, I got an automated email from them confirming my order and just casually mentioning on the line item that my shipment time was now mid Jan 2018! Needless to say, that order is cancelled... (And that order is probably the last time I waste my life trying to use RS, because it's just the latest is a massive string of annoyances stretching back years and life's too short already, and when other websites just work, so yeah.....)Mouser hasn't turned around and blown up their shipping leadtime on me for my PSoC6 eval board yet, but they still have a week left to do that, I guess. :-)

author: julianhigginson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2017, 11:08:45 am
content: Quote from: andyturk on October 13, 2017, 02:37:36 pmYeah - It sure limits how you can use the debugger!:-)Don't get me wrong, I still think for a tiny "wearable" that just does one simple thing and sleeps most of the time, and then exchanges data/settings via BT every now and then, the nrf52 is a pretty cool option. And I'm not singling this out, it's just the latest example.... I've seen other single core RFSOC parts do similar horrors when you push past the (often undisclosed) limits of what the proprietary (often closed source) stack leaves you.

author: julianhigginson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2017, 11:14:46 am
content: Quote from: timb on October 13, 2017, 05:12:31 pmI also like the CC3100 which you can just add as a separate chip to any application processor you want (assuming you have space for a separate chip) I think TI did some great work with that and the 3200.I hadn't seen they had a similar multicore BT offering, but will have to go check it out... maybe the next phase of this project I just finished needs a processor change. :-)

author: Macman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2017, 11:20:29 pm
content: Quote from: julianhigginson on October 14, 2017, 10:50:42 amWhen I ordered RS were showing they had 100's in stock. I have just checked the order confirmation email and it shows 9th Jan 2018. I'll probably cancel as well and wait for the kit with the updated silicon.

author: Neganur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 14, 2017, 11:54:43 pm
content: What exactly are the silicon issues? I can't find any documentation on their website (or I am just looking for the wrong search terms)All I could find was referring to the first runs working as expected and that the production silicon (which is out in October) will have some fine tuning.This is all very normal in my eyes.

author: Macman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2017, 12:02:30 am
content: Errata from the PSOC64 with BLE datasheet:. 124 BGA: SIMO Buck operation at VDDD input voltage >2.7 V All Rev. *A Silicon fix planned in next silicon.Current sample date is Q4 2017.. Deep Sleep current not meeting spec All Rev. *A No fix planned.. UDB Deep Sleep retention All Rev. *A Silicon fix planned in next silicon.Current sample date is Q4 2017..116 BGA: HBM ESD rating All Rev. *A Silicon fix planned in next silicon.Current sample date is Q4 2017.. Wake-up time from Deep Sleep interrupt to first execution fromIMOAll Rev. *A No fix planned.. Frequency-Locked-Loop (FLL) wakeup time from Deep Sleep All Rev. *A No fix planned.. Flash Read-While-Write (RWW) feature does not work All Rev. *A Silicon fix planned in next silicon.Current sample date is Q4 2017.. Flash RWW feature requires blocking for 1 ms when Writes tothe Emulated EEPROM Sector (32 KB Sector) are doneAll Rev. *A Silicon fix planned in next silicon.Current sample date is Q4 2017.. CMAC-based authentication of Boot Flash code in SupervisoryFlash can be spoofedAll Rev. *A Silicon fix planned in next silicon.Current sample date is Q4 2017.. Protection Context (PC) is not restored properly in system callsthat inherit the Client’s PC.All Rev. *A Silicon fix planned in next silicon.Current sample date is Q4 2017.. Hard Fault results if two system calls occur simultaneously andthe first system call inherits a non-zero Context.All Rev. *A Silicon fix planned in next silicon.Current sample date is Q4 2017.

author: Neganur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2017, 01:25:14 am
content: OK, now I understood what I was looking for. The Pioneer kit will have a PSoC 63 BL chip.The preliminary datasheet (rev. September 27) is here (also attached below):http://www.cypress.com/file/385921/downloadand the errata listed one post above can be found on page 57another interesting post:PSoC 6 BLE Pioneer Kit and PSoC Creator 4.2 Beta - Limitations and Known Issues - KBA221482with the following links:PSoC 6 BLE Pioneer Kit (CY8CKIT-062-BLE) Release NotesPSoC Creator 4.2 beta Release NotesAnd no idea what that means for the pioneer kit and whether it will have the bugs mentioned or not.PS. the CY8KIT062BLESetup.zip is 608 MB (contains BOM and schematics for the pioneer kit).

author: andyturk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2017, 02:09:04 am
content: Quote from: julianhigginson on October 14, 2017, 11:08:45 amNordic's stack seems pretty solid, and I think a lot of that comes from it taking nearly complete control of the hardware. However, we've had some problems with nRF but those have come from issues in the peripheral silicon rather than OEM firmware. It burns my grits when a nRF5x has some goofy race condition in hardware that would be a bug in anyone else's book, but they just spackle over it in a firmware update and then never update the errata.

author: julianhigginson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2017, 01:13:14 am
content: well... mouser delivered!now I need some time to actually get into it and see what it can do.maybe in a few weeks.

author: Neganur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 23, 2017, 03:19:03 pm
content: Just got the confirmation email from Digi-Key, my preorder has been shipped too.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2017, 06:26:31 pm
content: Thanks for posting the updates! I just ordered a couple from Mouser so I should be good to go with the tutorials.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2017, 03:05:46 am
content: Oh dear. I only just started mucking with PSoC 4 and 5LP, but it looks like this might need to be added.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2017, 01:28:36 pm
content: Now the problem is waiting on the project videos. At the moment, there are just 4 of the proposed 40 and it will take less than an hour to work through them. Then what?My primary interest is in the robot arm project (plus the proposed gadgetry), not the PSOC 6 itself.