Avoiding eevblog nested quotes? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2014, 04:46:43 pm
content: When I quote/reply to a post in eevblog, it includes also nested quotes. Then I need to tediously go through the marked text and clean them out. The other forums I am using do not have this problem and they include only the latest post to which I am replying.Is there way to set a preference to include only the post to which I am replying?

author: peter.mitchell
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2014, 11:26:59 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on March 03, 2014, 04:46:43 pmThe forum does have the option, i saw it the other day when looking for something else, but now i can't find it

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 12:19:49 am
content: A user can't change this but it can be set by the administrator so that it applies for all users.

author: TMM
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 07:23:56 am
content: copy the text of the post you want to quote by highlighting it and pressing ctrl+c (before replying), then when replace all the text with ctrl+v when you reply...Quote from: wilfred on March 04, 2014, 12:26:26 amI think keeping nested quotes is useful especially when reading long threads backwards (from the most recent post back). Otherwise you need to keep clicking links to follow the discussion and you completely lose track of where you are 'up to' in the thread.Perhaps there is a way to limit the number of nested quotes to something reasonable (e.g. 4 or 5 quotes). Also disable images in quotes or convert them to links.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 07:49:59 am
content: I want to include the nested quotes more often than i want to remove them.So i prefer it the way it is now.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 07:56:00 am
content: Quote from: TMM on March 04, 2014, 07:23:56 amThis.I like things the way they are now. It's easier to remove extra text when composing a reply than it is to insert nested quotes when you want to include them.As with this reply, it only took me a moment to trim the bits I didn't want to quote.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 08:05:03 am
content: +1 for manual editing, much more cleaner, and the preview button is made for a reason.At the same time, just for the rant, really hate those posts that are repeating by re-quoting other post that carries huge and many pictures, its not that hard to edit out the attached pictures in the quoted post.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 10:15:44 am
content: So leave as-is or trial the change?

author: David_AVD
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 10:43:57 am
content: No change required IMO.

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 11:11:14 am
content: +1 for no change.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 11:51:39 am
content: Quote from: GeoffS on March 04, 2014, 11:11:14 am+2

author: uwezi
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 12:05:34 pm
content: ++1 for no change.I recently found out that even the toolbar comes back when previewing a "quick quote"...

author: kolonelkadat
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 12:42:32 pm
content: Quote from: Psi on March 04, 2014, 11:51:39 amno_change++;

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 03:30:03 pm
content: Judging from this very thread, nobody left nested quotes

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 04:21:13 pm
content: the problem is that often there are multiple simultaneous conversations going on in a single thread, but all the replies are one after another after another in chronological order. There's no threading to hide forks. So, you can't just reply to a particular message without quoting the message you're replying to.pain in the butt quote trimming when you post is the symptom.It's a problem with almost all modern forum software. The design of forum software hasn't changed in over a decade. It's still just post after post one after another with no structure except sorting by post time.AFAIK the only piece of software to address this isDiscourse, and it is written in Ruby so the likelihood of it ever being deployed widely is very low.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 04:38:03 pm
content: Quote from: Rigby on March 04, 2014, 04:21:13 pmHere is an example of an hierarchical forum with with no quoting.http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018422964(I am not proposing to replace the forums software here, too easy to break things and annoy users).

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 05:15:59 pm
content: ... and here is a post from today. The nested quotes are noise IMO.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/hot-air-station-soldering-station-8586d-any-good/msg399442/#msg399442

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2014, 09:34:22 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on March 04, 2014, 04:38:03 pmI liked that alot. (1999?) I don't know for what reason this kind of forum isn't popular anymore

author: Phaedrus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2014, 09:48:21 pm
content: Quote from: Galenbo on March 13, 2014, 09:34:22 pmRedditis the current descendant of that style of forum, and it's quite popular.

author: BalticLab
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 02:08:00 am
content: Why I absolutely hate those unnecessary nested comments as well, I am a big fan of manual formatting. When I don't need the whole nest I'll just write the quote tag myself, copy the part I need and close the tag. Doesn't take much effort at all.

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 02:12:12 am
content: Quote from: KF5OBS on March 14, 2014, 02:08:00 amagrees, but that isn't the point. the forum software shouldn't require you to quote anything for a future reader to know what you were replying to. that one must do this is a failure of the user interface.

author: BalticLab
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 02:58:09 am
content: Quote from: Rigby on March 14, 2014, 02:12:12 amI would not argue with that. However, it seems that more people prefer this style of forum. Else phpBB and similar boards wouldn't be this widely used. It probably comes from the fact that we humans aren't as intelligent as we'd like to claim. Reading post by post sequentially is probably easier on us than having to trace several ideas and thoughts laterally. That's just my guess though.

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 03:17:42 am
content: *I* think more threaded options aren't available because phpBB and its ilk were "good enough" in that they filled a need for forum software well enough that the owner/operator of the forum didn't have to spend further time on it.there is NO WAY that phpBB is perfect for everyone that uses it. it's functional enough that the sysadmin can move on to the next thing on the list. that's how crap software lives on; no one has the energy to commit to making something better. discourse really looks good to me, but, again, written in Ruby, so adoption is going to be slim to minimal. also, why would an existing forum operator change when they have a working system?we all just got far too used to this forum style, and now we're stuck with it.

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 04:09:33 am
content: I have no complaints about the current nested quotes but quoted images annoy me.Looking at the mods available for SMF, there are quite a few to change the look and feel of quotes but none that, for example, restrict the number of levels of quoting allowed. There are a couple of mods to removed quoted images.

author: David_AVD
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2014, 05:01:00 am
content: Quote from: GeoffS on March 14, 2014, 04:09:33 amA big +1 to that.

author: magetoo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 08:57:38 am
content: Quote from: Rigby on March 14, 2014, 03:17:42 amAgreed, if you make something that will work on any "standard" web host with a PHP install (or PHP+MySQL) people will be a lot more willing to give it a try than something that requires you to install a bunch of custom stuff like better scripting languages or, horror, forces you tocompilesomething. And then when it's there, even if it has obvious flaws, it's good enough.As for "forum software shouldn't require you to quote"; well, most quotes are unnecessary if readers have a more than two second attention span. You can even reply to two comments at the same time..