̶F̶S̶ : Keithley 2002 8.5 digit like new - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: glitchcatcher
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2024, 03:23:17 pm
content: I got offered help for exporting this. Sale temporarily closed.Hello,I purchased a Keithley 2002 from ebay USA but I ran into trouble exporting it to Europe where I live. Items worth $2500 or more need some special export declaration with an EIN (Exporter Identification Number) which the seller did not want to be involved in.The discussion with the seller and trying to find a solution lasted so long that the return window closed and the seller eventually refused to take it back. Unfortunate situation.The item is currently stuck at MyUS.com freight forwarding company. I don't know the exact laws but apparently the last/main beneficiary of the sale needs to do the export declaration.I see two options:a) Someone helps me export this and receives a compensation. My idea is to ship this from MyUS to a well known EEVblog member, he then would send it privately to Europe as a used item, avoiding those declaration requirements (the EU customs will be my problem).b) I sell this to an EEVblog member in the US. I don't need to turn a profit here so the price is $6500.This is the original listing:https://www.ebay.com/itm/186434251452Thank you.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2024, 04:01:37 pm
content: pm sentnormally you can escalate too on ebay if the seller is a dick, he's supposed to help you .... BUT some do hide behind the : ask for shipping quotes outside USA ..... i dont see it specified on ebay ??Prooving to MyUs its an ebay sale should help ? nothing chemical, dangerous etc ... ? but if they have seen the price, it will or may be a problem ??

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2024, 05:05:30 pm
content: Quote from: flo.b on July 11, 2024, 03:23:17 pmIs that the going rate for a used Keithley 2002?Holy Cow!

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2024, 05:16:12 pm
content: Pity: On such a costly item we always use Fed Ex/DHL for overseas shipment, never a frt fwd service.Beware the track record of MyUS.comCheck their T&SFor the US Gov Export number, beware that under declariing the shipment value eg < $2500 for a $6,500 item is illegal.good luck,j

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 11, 2024, 05:32:29 pm
content: I shipped a $2600 device from USA to Italy with FedEx and I did not have to provide any EIN.Just paperwork for custom declaration, was not too painful.

author: glitchcatcher
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2024, 06:08:39 pm
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on July 11, 2024, 04:01:37 pmThanks for your offer!Yeah I have about the same thoughts about the seller (I hope you read this!).MyUS doesn't give me much choice:The EEI (Electronic Export Information) filing requires information about the USPPI (US Principal Party in Interest). The USPPI is defined as the entity who is receiving theprimary financial benefitfrom a sale, who, in this case, isthe seller*****.Without ***** EIN or DUNS information, we will not be able to export your shipment. The EEI filing is a non-negotiable condition for export for this itemdue to its high value, as prescribed by the US Census Bureau.You are welcome to sell the item to someone in the United States. We would then be able to ship the itemdomestically. If this is something you would like to do, you will need to provide us with aproof of sale for the item.Of course I didn't know any of this. Possibly the threshold value is higher than $2500, that's just what the seller told me when he asked DHL:I took the packaged meter to DHL this afternoon and because the declared value is over $2500 USD, I am unable to ship the meter to Austria as an individual. If I had a company with a Federal EIN number it may be possibleQuote from: HighVoltage on July 11, 2024, 05:05:30 pmLooking at what they cost here in Europe (15-18k Euro), I was damn happy about this deal, even after import taxes. It seems to be in "like new" condition, couple of times used only, which is important to me.Quote from: jonpaul on July 11, 2024, 05:16:12 pmYeah I wanted the seller to ship it directly first but apparently DHL didn't let him do that as an individual without further paperwork.So I thought MyUS is gonna handle it for me, but that was a mistake.Quote from: Zucca on July 11, 2024, 05:32:29 pmMaybe the threshold value is higher, this is just what the seller got told by DHL, possibly for different reasons.

author: armandine2
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2024, 08:04:11 pm
content: ebay, fedex, dhl, and the US authorities all in one thread - a definition of hopelessness if ever you wanted one. Pity that they're all linked to a Keithley

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2024, 09:24:03 pm
content: You sound nice and all, but this has some Nigerian Prince vibes. Just saying.

author: glitchcatcher
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2024, 10:00:27 pm
content: Quote from: Smokey on July 11, 2024, 09:24:03 pmI am always the one with the uncommon problems that need uncommon solutions..I understand what you mean. My post count and the amount involved certainly don't help. However the nice member from here who is willing to help me will receive the meter from MyUS for free. He could disappear with it, then he will be the Nigerian Prince

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2024, 05:04:23 am
content: RE EEI, $2,500 threshold:We have Been filing EEI US Gov paperwork since decades. Takes ~ 1 hr. Requires registration and account.In USA if send er cannot file the EEI, then Fed Ex/DHL, UPS WILL file the EEI for a fee.See Official US Gov info here on EEI:https://www.trade.gov/electronic-export-information-eei"The Electronic Export Information (EEI) is filed in the Automated Export System (AES) and is required when the value of the commodity classified under each individual Schedule B number is over $2,500, or if there exists a mandatory filing requirement, i.e., an export license is required. See Foreign Trade Regulation 30.2(a)(1)(iv). The filer (the USPPI, or the U.S. authorized agent) is responsible for preparing the EEI and providing the proof of filing, EEI filing exclusion, or exemption citation to the carrier who ensures it is cited on the commercial loading document prior to loading the commodity(s) on the conveyance.Filers may choose their EEI filing method to the AES, including ACE AESDirect or a direct connection. For more information on how to file EEI electronically ..https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/aes/ace-aesdirect.htmlhttps://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/aes/index.htmlHappy paperwork!Jon

author: glitchcatcher
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2024, 06:58:15 am
content: jonpaul, thanks for this information.It seems the seller had zero motivation to ship this abroad. But good to know there is a way.

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2024, 08:25:55 am
content: Flo.b:Beware that the Freight fwder will assesss a storage fee after ~ 5 days and will consider the DVM as abandoned property and sell it off after ~ 30 days.I would take immediate action to get the unit back from the frt fowarder.otherwise you risk to be out the amount paid and loose the DVM.Jon

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2024, 10:04:51 am
content: Quote from: flo.b on July 11, 2024, 06:08:39 pmI just looked up the new price on this Keithley 2002 and can not believe it.Not that long ago, a used one sold between Euro 2000 to 3000And a new one as around Euro 6000I am surprised that they can ask so much and obviously get paid that much.We are living in strange times

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2024, 11:26:19 am
content: Quote from: flo.b on July 11, 2024, 03:23:17 pmsome (most) countries will consider this to be tax fraud, very certainly this is the case for all european countries

author: glitchcatcher
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2024, 11:44:55 am
content: Quote from: jonpaul on July 12, 2024, 08:25:55 amI got worried now but luckily I received a mail from MyUS today that the item was shipped out to the forum member.From what I know, the MyUS terms are: Storage fees from 30 days, forced shipping (etc.?) from 60 days.Quote from: HighVoltage on July 12, 2024, 10:04:51 amYeah it looks like inflation is very real.Quote from: Haenk on July 12, 2024, 11:26:19 amYou must be right. Unfortunately the multimeter got damaged in an accident and will be sent as defect.

author: philipz
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2024, 04:06:21 pm
content: Quote from: flo.b on July 12, 2024, 11:44:55 amAre you kidding? Or this is true and someone broke your "treasure"? How bad is the device? Is it matter for you are the device is Keithley 2002 or you only need 8½ multimeter?

author: watchmaker
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 13, 2024, 05:39:48 pm
content: Wait a minute. Did you look at his feedback as seller? Only 6 or 7 other things over a year ago and all under $100USD.And why did you leave positive feedback for an item you have not received???

author: glitchcatcher
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2024, 05:59:02 pm
content: Quote from: watchmaker on July 13, 2024, 05:39:48 pmI've seen the sellers profile, yes. Nothing concerning to me. You make a bargain by taking some riskI just checked my feedback history and damn, this bothers me. I must have accidentally left a good review. Yeah sounds stupid, but I was buying boatloads recently and just quickly went through the feedbacks. Must have confused this with some other meter..

author: glitchcatcher
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2024, 10:00:22 pm
content: So Zucca is helping me with this. Really amazing, thank you so much again!He received the package from MyUS and it's unbelievable how poorly it was packed. A tiny cardboard box, basically no padding at the front and rear of the device, just a thin bubble wrap.It's not that I didn't make clear to the company to pack this properly. And they know the value as well. I chose and paid for extra options "fragile stickers, extra padding, and collectible/fragile item packing" but it was clearly not respected.A damn shame and makes me mad. Of course I filed a complaint with request for compensation, let's see what they will answer.By the way, the meter seems to have arrived at MyUS initially with better packaging, see the last picture attached. There were some air pillows in the package from the Ebay seller, I'm quite sure he put it there to protect the front and rear, but the idiot at MyUS moved it to the sides when repacking it.Luckily the self test passes, so the caddock ceramic should've survived the shock.I might try to get a spare front bezel from tek.com.No other words for this.

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 02:34:37 am
content: Quote from: flo.b on July 20, 2024, 10:00:22 pmCertified monkeys. They deserve to go out of business.

author: shabaz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 04:27:16 am
content: Sorry that occurred : ( I hope you get full (or extremely high level of) compensation.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 07:29:29 am
content: I had a piece of equipment shipped recently that had similar packing issues.Dave should do an EEVBlog PSA video showing how to properly pack test equipment for shipping.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2024, 03:33:40 pm
content: we ordered many Siglent stuff gens etc ... they had at least 1 inch to 2 inches of protection between the item and cardboard exterior, and sadly some had manipulations, traces, bumps etc .. but nothing touched the instruments ...it was a very poor packaging, plain stupid ... they did not care about the item valueand now the task to find parts .... hope you get them ...

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 24, 2024, 02:41:15 am
content: Quote from: Smokey on July 22, 2024, 07:29:29 amSome basicshttps://www.fedex.com/en-us/small-business/articles-insights/tips-from-a-packing-engineer.htmlbut you can't upgrade shipper's brain... so if he is a monkey there is no hope.

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 05, 2024, 04:33:02 am
content: Just to let everybody knowflo.bpaid me and gave me a nice tip.A pleasure to deal with.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2024, 05:43:56 am
content: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/k2002-for-sale-in-germany/