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author: jh15
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 02:24:45 pm
content: I learned of Fran's videos from here, and enjoyed her shows while waiting for a new EEVBlog.Her videos say not available now on my youtube, but her swan song is here on her twitter. Possibly her older vids too.https://twitter.com/contourcorsets

author: lnx64
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 05:00:55 pm
content: Yeah it's a problem for me too as a YouTube'er. I can't even reply to videos on my own channel. It says I'm not allowed to comment on them.

author: JoannaK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 05:13:00 pm
content: Fran's video is still available atGoodbye Cruel YouTube... I'm Taking the F%#!cking Red Pill!! Last Upload???(or at least I still can see it)Yeah, I do agree her fully. I also hate this mandatory Google+ pushing that's been going on. Now I can't even comment videos with my old Youtube.login, but must sign into G+. I don't really like G+, it's amongst the most unnecessary stupid gimics there is.All in all, that G+ on it's own would be just anonying, but combined to all other nasty things happenings (like Google leaking my personal stuff to NSA etc) and the share coverage of the Google related stuff I have used (Gmail,calendar, youtube, blogger, Android-phone etc) during these years, I feel that my limit has been reached.I'm no direct intent of deleting any of my accounts or content, but from now on I start more acitively use other alternatives. And amongst them I'll start boycotting all Google-adds since that will be the only thing Google understands. More people will use adblokker, the sooner google sees their income gone. (Sorry Dave, I know you'd prefer to see income from adds, but the price has become too high)Another hard decision will be selection of the next phone ... I'd like to have a smartphone that does not *leak*, and appanrently there's not a single American company to trust (thus no Apple, M$ nor Android phones). Also Nokia moved to m$, so that was the end of that.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 05:13:21 pm
content: Its just the matter of time and so obvious that everyone should see this coming.Ultimate goal for Google, in order to use Google's Search , Youtube, Map, Earth, Mail or other products, ... one day ... you probably need to surrenderyour personal details...your id#, security#, driver license, CC, bank acct etc).... sorry, I think this is the right one .... your soul.

author: Bloch
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 05:28:49 pm
content: Google did have a problem ........ I think even Dave did mention that the comments on YouTube can be "very bad".That happening then it is possible to hide i anonymity !So Google are trying to save a way to still comments.In my book I think they are doing a very good thing !

author: tehmeme
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 05:48:05 pm
content: Quote from: Bloch on November 10, 2013, 05:28:49 pmWhat's to stop people from creating multiple fake google+ accounts? this doesn't help in the least.

author: clifford
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 06:06:43 pm
content: Quote from: Bloch on November 10, 2013, 05:28:49 pmBy not even allowing the uploader herself to answer to comments on her own videos? I don't think so! (If you can upload videos longer than 15 minutes it means that you are already verified using a mobile phone number, btw.)Google+ was not as successful as they hoped and now they are trying to force it on people.I've disabled comments onmy videosand link to a SubReddit for comments. (I actually have a Google+ account but I don't want to lock anyone out.) At the same time Reddit is a really good example of something that works without enforcing any clear name policy on anyone, btw.Also the whole "see comments of people you know" thing is designed for kids commenting on justin bieber videos and discussing it with their classmates. I want to see the most relevant comments on the top, not the comments that come from people who know someone I know or happen to live close by.."Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." (Eleanor Roosevelt). Imo they replaced something that was designed for noone with something that is clearly designed for small minds, because now its more important who said it then what was said. I'm not sure if this makes the whole "forcing the Google+ privacy policy on people" thing better or worse..

author: Bloch
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 06:10:51 pm
content: Quote from: tehmeme on November 10, 2013, 05:48:05 pmhttps://support.google.com/plus/answer/1228271?hl=en

author: Bloch
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 06:15:34 pm
content: Quote from: clifford on November 10, 2013, 06:06:43 pmSo you want to force me to be aSubReddit member to to comment on you videos ?

author: Bloch
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 06:18:29 pm
content: Quote from: clifford on November 10, 2013, 06:06:43 pmWell if she login too Google+ then there are no problem.... are there ?

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 06:23:30 pm
content: A minor inconvenience, you make a G+ account, make your first and only post "Google/NSA I hope you choke on a bag of festering wieners" then never visit again.Life moves on.

author: clifford
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 06:31:56 pm
content: Quote from: Bloch on November 10, 2013, 06:15:34 pmYou can create a Reddit account anonymously. The issue here is not about Google+ per se (before you needed a youtube account to write comments), it is about the Google+ privacy policy.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 07:01:33 pm
content: There is definitely something creepy about Google "Googlifying" everything. She's right, they do seem to wanteverything. Not sure how I feel about that.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 07:21:24 pm
content: So what are the alternatives? I agree with Fran and that is one of the reasons I quit facebook. Now google is getting even worse it seems like we are running ow on choices.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 07:23:45 pm
content: The really retarted thing is they no longer email you any comments as they appear - whatever they do regarding leaving comments there is no reason to stop this.A very rough finger-in-the-air estimate is the comment rate on my vids has about halved

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 07:28:57 pm
content: Wow, I have not been looking too much at my channel for a week and now I have no idea how to reply to people or do other things that was easy. What a waste of time. I am definitely looking for another way now. This is ridiculous.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 07:54:16 pm
content: I am probably totally daft, but how does one reply to comments on a video now? I can only make a new independent comment and can see no way to make a reply.

author: lnx64
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 08:15:05 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 10, 2013, 07:54:16 pmSometimes a Reply button shows up. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes when it's there, it just says this, like it does on my channel.I can't work with this, I really can't..

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 08:25:37 pm
content: As to commenting, I have not made one this weekend. Can only push like or dislike and have it stick.Must have been invented by somebody hit way too much with a Clue By Four but where the stick did not work at all.

author: Isamun
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 10:07:07 pm
content: Quote from: Bloch on November 10, 2013, 06:15:34 pmAtleast there you can read the comments.. What we need is a steamlined youtube-client that can tie the videos together with a place to comment that addresses these issues. Im sure google wouldnt like that, though.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2013, 10:38:26 pm
content: My personal YouTube account existed several years prior to Google buying them. So I like the bit of anonymity that YouTube had. I nearly always use the name Stonent when online but I always tried to keep it separate from my personal life. I tried G+ back when it first came out just like everyone did but then went back to Facebook like most others did.

author: tehmeme
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 12:09:38 am
content: Quote from: Bloch on November 10, 2013, 06:10:51 pmwhat's your point?google suggests this, and google suggests that. The reality is people are creating fake accounts all the time and trolling away to their hearts content.The only people this is affecting are the legit youtubers and content creators, forcing youtubers to use their G+ is, as many have already suggested, for other reasons and not to curb trolling or streamline the comments section or any other nonsense google has publicly declared.The comments section has become truly unusable. It's a mess.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 01:24:33 am
content: Quote from: Bloch on November 10, 2013, 06:18:29 pmShe mentioned setting up a separate machine just for youtube comments. If you want to retain the benefits of being a youtube content creator, but hate G+, you can always do just that. IMO, that's not a bad option, but I can understand her hatred and taking a stance here.For me, I didn't notice a thing (apart from the stupid ordering of comments by likes, and the default "share with g+ check box) because I've had to have a g+ account for a long time, but have almost never used it.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 01:29:42 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 11, 2013, 01:24:33 amI don't think it's about whether or not you can get around it, I think it's more about whether or not you have to. Like I said, Google taking control of as much as they possibly can is just slightly creepy as hell, and if that already bothers you it's not going to feel warm and fuzzy to be required to use one more Google service. Especially when the whole point of that service is to get you to share as much information about yourself as possible.(Not arguing with you, I see you understand her, just remarking)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 01:32:15 am
content: Quote from: tehmeme on November 11, 2013, 12:09:38 amCorrect. It has nothing to do with improving the comments system. Nor does it have a huge amount to do with getting more people using G+ as a social network (although I'm sure the would like that, hence the default ticked "share with G+" option box when commenting).What it is mostly about is forcing people into a single user login system foreverythingyou do with anything google (and Youtube) related. So they can better track you in every possible way. Government NSA big brother conspiracy theories aside, Google like the make money, and the more they know about you and can track you, the more money they will make.This youtube change is just yet another small step along that path that has been going on for ages now. The only reason people are kicking up a stink now, is because it's youtube. People don't think of Youtube as a Google service, and Youtube is big, really really big, and used by practically everyone.QuoteIt has never been usable, and certainly not for the content producers who have to reply to comments on hundreds of old videos.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 01:38:10 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on November 11, 2013, 01:29:42 amSure, but the point is she is (or was) a youtube content producer. She already had to hand over info to get that youtube account, and fact is if you want the (huge) benefits of youtube as a content producer then that is the price you have to pay. The options are:1) Leave youtube2) Stay with youtube, and try to get around the issues (like with the notebook and dedicated account)3) CapitulateAll three options also have of course the option of kicking up a huge stink while doing itThe #2 option with a dedicated machine just for youtube would provide no further information about her to google than she already has.

author: Seg
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 01:45:20 am
content: The mistake here is thinking of G+ as a distinct product.G+isGoogle. If you have a Google account, you have a G+ account. If you use Android, you have a Google account.The real issue here is Google's crusade to kill anonymity.

author: JoannaK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 01:49:01 am
content: Well.. as an Youtube user (mostly watching, though I did make some videos).. I can always start using and actively promoting things like addblock, Noscript and other tools that make googles tracking attempts a lot harder and less profitable.Of course when this klind of enlightened activity becomes more widespread, It will become kinda bad for those content makers trying to make their living with the add-laced videos, but they are cohoots with Google (and thus with NSA) so it's in the end decsion each one of us have to make.PS; At the moment.. Only Gmail and Android phone are even 1/2 necessary for me. Rest are just convinient. If I can't comment youtube videos, well... it's not too much a loss, G+ is joke anyhow and I can use real calendar.

author: lnx64
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 01:54:59 am
content: First up, hello Dave. New fan here.---------------See, the change wouldn't have bothered me, if it hadn't made replying to some of my channels video comments, impossible.I have at least a few comments in my videos, where I have to just go and manually contact the person, because clicking reply and typing out a lot of text, only to be told I can't do that, is annoying, especially since it erases what I just typed. So now I need to remember to copy it first, try it fail? then go to that persons own channel and send a message. Oh, and hope they don't have it set so I have to be in their address book to message them, in which case they'll never see my reply.. I can just make a new message in the video and type their name in (like, "@username"), but that won't give that person an alert that I actually replied, and they may never see it.The old system, never gave me those issues at all, though it was hard getting comments on some of my old videos every day, and repeating the same answers to questions already asked. That was somewhat improved when they put uploader comments at the top.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 02:01:22 am
content: Quote from: lnx64 on November 11, 2013, 01:54:59 amWhen they made the change, they seem to have replaced much of the working code for various features with pure, distilled essence of stupid. I just noticed that time links (1:32) don't work correctly now, it pops open a new tab... I get the feeling none of this was tested. Don't they have a list of things to check when changes are made, so nobody forgets to check things like that?I can sum up the whole thing with this:Quote

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 03:30:16 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 10, 2013, 07:54:16 pmYou need to log in/combine your youtube account with a Google + account.

author: lnx64
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 03:35:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 11, 2013, 03:30:16 amMine is, doesn't work.Even though one of the comments in my video has a Reply button, clicking it, typing a message, results in this. I then clicked the regular post box, so you can see it's on Google+ as it offers the option to simulcast there.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 03:36:09 am
content: Quote from: lnx64 on November 10, 2013, 08:15:05 pmI haven't seen any issues at all.

author: lnx64
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 03:51:44 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 11, 2013, 03:36:09 amLucky!!This video shows exactly my struggles. I wonder how many people actually run into this issue. Google searching shows a few, but not all. But I see no way to report it to Google as a bug.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 04:03:52 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 11, 2013, 03:30:16 amI did do that, months ago when it was forced on me. It just doesn't work.

author: samgab
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 04:16:09 am
content: I'm really pissed off about this Google+/Youtube thing. I don't want a G+ account. I swore off all social networking and cancelled all my accounts of that type: Twitter, Facebook, G+, etc. I like my youtube account though, I have history on it that I want to keep with the username it already has, as a separate entity to my other stuff, ie: Gmail, Gcal. But now I cannot comment on a youtube video without being required to first create a G+ account. So I had the option to keep it as my youtube name, but when I tried that all of my subscriptions and history etc was gone. It's very annoying and frustrating to deal with.Yes, I know it's all a free service etc, but it doesn't feel good to be forced to join a social networking service you don't want to be a part of simply to make comments on another service. It seems very draconian.I was initially really frustrated, but now I've just decided that I don't NEED to create content on Youtube or comment on videos, so I'll just retreat to being a silent viewer in the Youtube realm. If they make it so you can't even VIEW some Youtube content without making a G+ account, I'll be really annoyed again... But for now, just being forbidden to comment, I can live with that.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 04:18:11 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 11, 2013, 04:03:52 amI had an issue recently where I went to youtube and all my subscriptions were missing. It turned out there was something somewhere where I could switch between 3 optionsStonentstonent[My real name]And for some reason it had switched from one of the first two to the other and I flipped it back and everything magically reappeared.

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 07:43:44 am
content: Quote from: samgab on November 11, 2013, 04:16:09 amToo late, private videos can only be shared with G+ accounts, so videos are now either 100% public or linked to G+ accounts.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 09:00:05 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 11, 2013, 01:32:15 amI don't think so. They could have just required you to sign in with a Google Account, which is what they've been pushing for awhile now (I always got a box at the top of YouTube pages telling me to use whatever email address is tied to my Google Account instead of my old YouTube username).Now they're actively requiring your to have the G+ service enabled on your Google Account to comment on YouTube, i.e., they're using the G+ backend to handle all YouTube comments now. This is *clearly* a push to get people using G+ to compete with Twitter.Google's whole account system is...just a mess. Originally I had a Google Account using my own (non-Gmail) email address. At some point (Google Voice maybe?) they *required* me to signup for a Gmail account (that I'll never use) just to start using newer services. The kicker is that they still send notifications to my personal email address, so what the hell do I need that Gmail account for?! Now the push is to require a G+ account (which also requires Gmail IIRC) for new services.Google can choke on a bag of dicks. (No, seriously; I hope Larry Pageliterallyasphyxiates on a bag full of flaccid penises.)

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 09:13:55 am
content: afa the "destroying anonymity to stop malicious comments" argument, i dont see how that would work other than maybe for some of the biggest spineless cowards out there. if your video makes you look like an idiot, im going to call you an idiot. linking to a g+, or facebook, twitter, or whatever account isint going to change any of that.

author: samgab
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 10:03:49 am
content: Just watched Dave's RANT video about this G+ pile of garbage, and I totally agree.It's one of the biggest fails I've ever seen Google make... And that's including ummm, what was it, Wave? and Buzz?Sheesh Google, please just admit defeat and put Youtube back to how it was, but ideally with inbox message replies and nested messages.Surely you can do the inbox replies and nested messages without forcing users to sign up for lame G+ crap that they don't even want?Also, another recent G-fail: getting rid of iGoogle, which I was very happy with as a homepage for several years, and had it fine tuned just the way I liked it, but now they've gotten rid of that...Oh, was that a gentle nibble at the hand that feeds you?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 11:15:16 am
content: Quote from: samgab on November 11, 2013, 10:03:49 amI guess it finally happened: the term 'shareholder value' made it into Google's board room.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 03:11:25 pm
content: So the question is, what other video sharing alternatives are there? I know Dave won't be switching to anything else. He is trapped as it has become a part of his income to live on.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 03:17:53 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 11, 2013, 03:11:25 pmNone, unless Dave went to a subscription based service. I'd be happy to sign up but we'd lose the vast majority of young players, something that is really nice to help and encourage. Part of the reason Dave does things the way he does i'm sure.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 03:30:40 pm
content: Well I have decided to move to vimeo to share my reviews and other information. Yes random people will not find my videos without stepping outside of the google world but too bad for the sheeple and too bad for google. They are shooting themselves in the foot IMHO. I know I count for nothing but if every "nothing" pulled their content from youtube, youtube would be nothing too.P.S. It looks like vimeo isn't the answer neither.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 04:30:13 pm
content: So Google have opened the door for a competitor for you tube. I just have to wait for the launch.

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 04:38:17 pm
content: When they kill reader and igoogle, they terminate people interest on their future projects. And now this stroke shall open google to lawsuit from apple and microsoft. And this effective kills off all the benefits of doubts given to google on their do-no-evil pet talk.Those who are advertising on adwords, halving the budget for the next 3 months, would be a good signal to send to google. Some heads need to roll or the damages shall be long lasting.

author: JoannaK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 05:02:06 pm
content: Quote from: Someone on November 11, 2013, 07:43:44 amReally? Ah well, I thougth they could not make it much worse... Apparently they have unlimited tallent...All_repair: Related to you comment. I have started to send private messages to my youtube.favorites to inform that I don't watch/permit adds anymore since I don't want to support Google+. At the message I say that I' sorry since this action will lessen their short term income, but ad-revenue is the only thing that matters to Google.execs ...

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 06:00:07 pm
content: It's interesting Fran commenting that Google/youtube is trying to be Facebook. Interesting timing that is, since just very recently ebay also made changes in their site that superficially seem like they want to be another Facebook. Switching the whole ebay 'search' paradigm to 'follows' and 'feed', and some stupid idea that people would want to tell each other what they are 'following' (searching for.)It's such a retarded, nonsensical idea that there has to be some other motivation at work.Now suddenly Youtube is doing the same thing. Hmmm....

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 06:08:32 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on November 11, 2013, 04:30:13 pmLooking forward for a global/english version ofYouku. It cannot be worse than Google+/YouTube, or?

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 06:22:58 pm
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on November 11, 2013, 06:00:07 pmNeed to find the email for NSA and GCHQ then just set your email to automatically forward to them every thing that comes in especially your spam folder if every one in the world did this there is no way they could keep their sites up. I dont know about any one else but I am sure that my email is pretty boring to any one else. Save Google and face book the trouble as well.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 06:29:29 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on November 11, 2013, 06:22:58 pmCertainly your emails are boring, and so are mineBut so are also most data points in statistical data sets...

author: jh15
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 07:05:34 pm
content: So I can't send a private Youtube video of my cat going on and flushing our human toilet. I would either have to make it public (he has stage fright) or force my family to join Google+.They are the ones that would turn off firewalls, AV, and click on links in email if they new how...Join a social network? What's that? please install it for me. What's that they'd say...

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 08:16:11 pm
content: QuoteThere are probably multiple ways to interpret this.On one hand it could be that advertisers have noticed that conventional ads are no longer working. For one thing we're getting wise to them, for another they are less relevant in a world of devolved content production (and consumption).They have cottoned on to the fact that targeted content is much more effective and a recommendation which comes from someone you know carries exponentially more weight but to make that work and enrol us all as unwitting (and unpaid) channels for their wares they need to a) encourage everyone to organise their social networks online so they know who knows whom and to get as much information about everyone as possible so that they know what to target them with - including tracking as much of their online presence as possible.This, as has been observed above, makes Google - which is now basically an ad agency in disguise - lots of money and the more effectively they do it the better for them.Another, more paranoid, interpretation is that no-one is allowed an opinion of their own any more. We must follow sheep-like what everyone else "likes" and bleats about. Obviously this is softening everyone up for whoever wins the Google/Facebook/Twitter/ebay mudfight to finally complete the mass brainwashing of the world's population. War is Peace, freedom is slavery and the chocolate ration has been increased three times this month already.I suspect the first is closer to the truth than the second but I don't blame anyone who leans towards the latter.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 10:25:04 pm
content: LifeInternet sucks less with a song...

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 10:37:20 pm
content: The irony being that this has gone totally viral and made money for Google from the ad impressions.I think it's made the artist some too and I'm happy for that but it's sort of a spectacular own goal if she wanted to tell google to go and fsk themselves.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 11:35:17 pm
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on November 11, 2013, 10:37:20 pmYes, it certainly did. It would be even more spectacular, if people watching this video decide to sign up in Google+ to leave a YT comment for her(i find that a very possible and likely scenario, to be brutally honest...)

author: cloudscapes
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 12:58:43 am
content: Half considering moving over to vimeo. The only thing that's making my decision difficult is that my channel has amassed a couple hundred subs for lots of exposure, while my vimeo account basically has zero.And it's not even because it's "so much trouble to do stuff from G+", for me. It's the principal. Google forcing G+ down my throat, and basically admitting "yeah, we know our social networking site is shit, so now we're forcing you to use it". It's as close to being that without actually explicitly saying it. It's this crazy weird admission of defeat, on their part, except they're not letting G+ go down without taking youtube user-friendliness (what was left) down with it. Insane.Somebody somewhere thought this was a good idea./firstworldproblems

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 01:18:20 am
content: Dave's video on this is now full of comments praising Google Minus. Is it cynical to suggest that those comments are floating to the top for a reason? (Dons tinfoil hat) I wonder how many goons they have upvoting these comments. Or if it's automated. Or if they're astroturfing.Or maybe I'm just talking out my ass.Seems G+ is packed with fanboys licking Google's ass. And they all seem to know each other. And "all their friends are there", even though Google Plus is commonly known among average people as "what the hell is that?" because birds of a feather flock together.

author: cthree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 02:37:28 am
content: Many of the content creators I subscribe to on YouTube (who don't run a forum) are telling people to comment on their Facebook pages. Well played Google, well played.

author: lnx64
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 03:59:54 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on November 12, 2013, 01:18:20 amTell me about it, as a content producer on YouTube, I'm annoyed that I can't even reply to some videos if there setting on G+ doesn't allow reply's to their comments from "anybody". Apparently you posting on my video makes me an anybody. Seems kinda wrong.Then again, I see that some of the comments praising G+ on Daves channel, are some of the same people on MY channel, and that upsets me.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 04:07:14 am
content: Quote from: lnx64 on November 12, 2013, 03:59:54 amQuite a few have said I just haven't used the "the bell" or the "notifications" page on G+, that's where all the comments are.I have, and no they aren't!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 04:08:17 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on November 11, 2013, 04:30:13 pmIf Vimeo were smart, they would use every last dollar they can muster to entice the top few dozen youtubers over to them.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 04:10:06 am
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on November 11, 2013, 10:37:20 pmHow else is a youtub video producer supposed to tell google to go fsk themselves?

author: lnx64
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 04:12:02 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 12, 2013, 04:07:14 amThey definitely aren't showing up on the bell for me. In fact for me, I'm getting a crap tone of email spam from Google lately, more than the bell shows, and that still doesn't show all of the notifications.Btw, the old ban location was the address book, if you say, needed to unban someone. Apparently the new location, which isn't even documented yet, is:https://www.youtube.com/comment_managementThe system is way to inconsistent.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 04:17:54 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on November 11, 2013, 03:11:25 pmCoincidentally, I just got myself a Vimeo Pro account the other week. And have actually started to upload my back catalog onto there.I have no plans to switch to Vimeo of course, but am looking into it as a platform for some potential paid content if/when I get into that.I actually said this in part of the video, but re-shot it and forgot to mention it, but it's no secret that most of my income comes from outside of youtube/adsense. That is why I have been able to be a full time youtuber with comparatively tiny stats that no other youtuber could possibly make a full time business from, even if they lived in their mums basement.I could potentially ditch youtube and still survive, if I had to, but of course I would be foolish to do so. Youtube is still the only game in town when it comes to building an audience and getting those "long tail" search views. That's fancy industry-speak for saying if I ditch youtube then I would instantly lose approx 25K views/day.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 04:26:47 am
content: Someone here pointing out the simple technical failures in the YouTube changes:

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 08:24:52 am
content: QuoteTake all the videos over to Vimeo and close the YouTube account?Probably most people won't do that. For people with established channels which they don't want to wreck or have to build up all over again they might well just have to swallow the bitter pill and get on with life. It doesn't stop the irony that a video of a girl singing a song about how pissed off she is at google will net that very entity more revenue.I know where Fran is coming from. I have a gmail account (got to as I have an Android phone) but it's not used - well, except it saved me having another gratuitously useless online account when I wanted to sign up to a couple of Yahoo forums. But Google is now big enough to start to use one service that people actually want (ag a phone) to leverage uptake of another. It's insidious but certainly could lead to the scenario that Fran describes. It probably won't but could if Google want.

author: KD0CAC John
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 02:03:32 pm
content: I'LL BE A SHEEPLE .If dave goes somewhere else , I will followThen hopefully some of my other sources will move also ?I have a futuristic thought , there will be so much of this crap [ we will tell you what to like ] that someday I may get rid of any internet shit ?If I live long enough to see some value again , and come back to a FREE-THINKERS-WEB ?It would seem that most all of the futurist political Sci-Fi's are coming true 1984 , Atlas Shrugged etc.

author: ampdoctor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 07:17:57 pm
content: Hate to say it but what's it going to take for people to see that a lot of the tinfoil hat nutters aren't so nuts?! If you want to try a little experiment install adblock and especially no-script and watch what scripts are trying to be executed and the amount of information that's being sucked up by google, fb, and a few other very big data miners. It's horrifying.At one point I used to have a java script that you could modify and install on a website that would haul down every shred of personal and technical info of any piece of hardware connecting to a site running it irrespective of firewalls, antivirus, cookie crushers, etc. Well it's just metadata so really it's all ok of course! *cough* There's virtually no limit to what this thing had the capability of hauling down. Basically if you go online they own your ass and your whole life is on the auction block!Want to put content up with none of their bullshit, what you need to do is make your own site, hook up to a red5 server in sweden or some other country that has told the nsa and big corporate to go fuck themselves and push your own media. To pay the bills provide some of it free and for full access require paid subscription or donate. Problem solved...mostly. Yeah, there are a few issues doing it this way, but at least you've taken back control of your content and information.

author: cthree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 10:09:35 pm
content: I use YouTube strictly for the video content. If the content were to move, so would I. It comes down to subscriptions. I have a bunch and I use "what to watch" and "my subscriptions" to see what's new and watch it. I use the Click to Flash browser plugin so that I get the HTML5 videos instead of the Flash videos and hence no ads. Only downside is it doesn't know what I've watched, small price to pay. I'll browser the related videos on the right to find new content. I rarely read YouTube comments and always end up hating myself when I do.All of that is very basic (as a viewer and not a creator). All of that is fairly basic. It wouldn't take Ustream/vimeo/twitch.tv much to provide the same level of service. It would just take having enough content creators to move their content over and I'd start to use those service as well. I'm starting to watch all of them for new content rather than just youtube now.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2013, 10:15:42 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 12, 2013, 04:08:17 amIf they provided an easy way to migrate (e.g. copy vids direct from YT, and high initial quota for transferring existing content) that would be a good start

author: JoannaK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2013, 11:39:41 pm
content: Well known science blogger ViHart has announced leaving youtube due this ******http://vihart.com/google-youtube-integration-kind-of-like-twilight-except-in-this-version-when-cullen-drinks-bellatubes-blood-they-both-become-mortal-but-cullen-is-still-an-abusive-creep-also-it-is-still-bad/

author: senso
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2013, 12:04:58 am
content: I never comment, and I'm not a content producer, but still, youtube is a bit crappy, especially playing videos(who knew!), even in a 30Mbps connection, it stutters, it doesn't buffer the good dam video(I know, all hail the power of streaming), if just f*cking stops playing the video, and thats a refresh for you, it might work now, sweet, its like playing russian roulete, will I live this time?...If someone could make a copy of OLD youtube, man, that would make money, sadly, web coding is not for me

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2013, 12:18:34 am
content: Quote from: senso on November 14, 2013, 12:04:58 amNot only you. It has been the same for most people now for a long time.The YouTube team has lost sight of the most elementary use case:I locate a video I want to watchI watch itI doesn't seem that hard, does it? Yet they can't make it work

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2013, 12:41:28 am
content: i have one point to all the ppl that say "it dosent matter to me, i just wont comment"there are a lot of videos that are, for reasons unknown to me, arbitrarily marked "adult only" that you MUST sign in to watch. i know ive heard dave throw around at least a "shit" or 2, so i wouldnt be surprised if some of his videos are marked as such.so, by not playing their game, there is more to lose than just the ability to comment. (for viewers, as dave pointed out, there are a lot of other drawbacks for content uploaders.)

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2013, 06:21:32 am
content: Quote from: senso on November 14, 2013, 12:04:58 amI've got a nice little extension called ClickToPlugin (like ClickToFlash but covers all plugins) which does two main things for me.1) Any area of a page that's trying to load a plugin (Flash, Air, Silverlight, etc.) is replaced with a gray box. You can click that box to continue loading the plugin and permanently white (or black) list it if so desired.2) Gives full control over Flash based video. If I go to YouTube (or someone embeds a YouTube video in a forum post for example), the video is replaced with a gray box that, when moused over, gives me several options. I can either load the normal YouTube player *or* load the H.264 video directly instead, which plays natively right in my browser, no plugins required! It also gives me the option to forward the video directly to my AppleTV, which is sweet because it literally just sends the URL of the video and the AppleTV loads it on its own, so I can close the YouTube page.Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because, while a video might stutter and never buffer for me when using the Flash based YouTube player, the videos ALWAYS load right up when I use ClickToFlash to grab them in native H.264 format.If you ever watch the buffering progress of YouTube's Flash player, it always seems like it's trying to dynamically stay *no more than* XX% ahead of your current position. I suspect they're doing this to save bandwidth (no since in cacheing the whole video in the buffer if the user isn't going to watch it all). The problem is, they then do stupid shit like have the video re-stream if you try to play it back (instead of just replying the buffer that's already been downloaded).

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2013, 08:13:00 am
content: i just watched a video on youtube.every comment had a reply buttonevery comment had a thumbs up/down buttonthe video had a comment boxthe video had a thumbs up/dowm button.all of them seemed to work. so i checked a few more videos, and they all seem to be as they were before the change.is it possible that google is hearing all of the negative feedback and starting to change it back??

author: vk3yedotcom
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2013, 09:19:34 am
content: Quote from: deth502 on November 14, 2013, 08:13:00 amI was also fooled by this and tried to reply to a comment.However it didn't work, wanting you to go through about 10 screens then Google+ so I gave up.Also 3 of 5 comments in a recent video seem to have disappeared, even though the icon still says 5 comments.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2013, 10:23:27 am
content: QuoteI have JS off by default and all the "social" crap blocked, it actually makes sites load much faster and take less bandwidth as I don't have to wait for all the extraneities. It also makes the bulk of browser exploits ineffective by default.Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on November 12, 2013, 10:15:42 pmThat would be rather difficult, as YT obviously wouldn't want that. I've had my IP banned (thankfully dynamic) for trying to download many vids at once automatically; this was a while ago so I would bet that Google's "anomaly detection" systems have improved quite a bit since then. You would need to act like a regular (albeit devoted) viewer, with at most 1-2 users sharing an IP, and it'd take a long time.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 14, 2013, 11:32:34 am
content: Quote from: deth502 on November 14, 2013, 12:41:28 amIt is generally not done by Youtube (unless someone flags it as such, then it gets reviewed), it's a voluntary thing selected by the uploader.When you upload a video, the uploader can tick a box to limit the video to 18+ only.The word shit on it's own is not really enough:https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801981

author: lnx64
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2013, 02:30:05 am
content: Quote from: wraper on November 16, 2013, 12:17:40 amI think it's highly immature that people are spamming other innocent videos with this Bob's army bullshit. As a content creator myself, I won't allow it on my channel, and anyone that does, gets banned.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2013, 09:48:02 am
content: Quote from: lnx64 on November 17, 2013, 02:30:05 amWay to stick it to the man, maaannn.

author: ampdoctor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2014, 11:53:20 am
content: Is it just me or has anybody else noticed that if you browse videos on a channel it seems to limit the number of uploaded videos you can view in Firefox to about 30. However, I can view them all if I use chrome. Don't know if it's just my computer, a Firefox issue, an adblock plus issue, or something else entirely that's been hard coded by Google. Just one more thing to make you go hmmmm.

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2014, 04:03:31 pm
content: Quote from: JoannaK on November 10, 2013, 05:13:00 pmfwiw, no phone you will EVER buy again (wireless) will be secure, in our definition of secure.see, down at the chip level, there are 'management' protocols that are so low, even the o/s does not directly deal with them or expose them. this is carrier-to-phone stuff going on and the carriers will not want to lose this. lots of reasons, some good, some not so good.forget about your o/s. its the infrastructure chips that will never be 'open' and until they are, no phone can be considered secure.(I used to work at an android cellphone tech company and I was a bit shocked to hear this info, but it seems to be true).if you can find a cellphone that does not use binary blobs and has full specs that you and I can review, please post it! but I'm not holding my breath waiting for such a post.