Are there any EEVblog server app you'd like to see installed? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 04:43:55 am
content: I had a recent thread on Mastodon which got voted with little interest. But I was wondering if there are any other services/apps/whatever that people would like to see added to the EEVblog.i.e. something that could be of benefit to the existing community here?I don't know what those things would be, that's why I'm asking.And I'm talking thing that would run on the EEVblog server locally.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 09:30:55 am
content: The thing that comes to mind immediately is fixing the attachment plugin, I think you disabled (half of) it when pictures got mixed up? It still gives you the choices (end of post, inline etc.) but as far as I am aware it's not functional. If it can't be fixed it's probably better to remove the plugin, or would that screw up posts that used it in the past?

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:08:36 am
content: Finally fix the **** attachment thing. Define this as your only mission in life. Dedicate all your resources to it. If you succeed, then let's think about what else we would like to have.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:39:09 am
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on December 04, 2022, 10:08:36 amWorking on it right now.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 11:04:02 am
content: Damn, I hate inline attachments being to easyBut if we are at that, you could fix your avatar too

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 11:30:13 am
content: Spell chequer.On that subject, could the mod edit misspelled subject lines, as to assist the Google spider when it comes indexing?Also, Apple Safari does not recognise the standard favicon. There is no Dave Hand on my iPad bookmarks. Instead, Safari requires a 'favicon' defined as an apple touch icon, go figure? It's just an extra rel-link in the page header: vishttps://www.computerhope.com/jargon/a/appletou.htmThanks.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 11:44:27 am
content: Does it mean that some other body part could be shown to Apple users with no one else noticing?

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 12:15:40 pm
content: Change theWikipermissions and authentication so that forum users in good standing can create pages, or can request the ability to do so without having to bug you for every new page added, then encourage us to make better use of it. e.g. by creating indexes for long highly technical threads over on the Wiki, where it doesn't rely on the thread's O.P. to keep the index maintained. Unfortunately you may have to think up a Wiki AUP before giving us page creator access so the few who invariably push the limits can be dealt with without excessive whinging!.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 01:06:07 pm
content: Quote from: Ian.M on December 04, 2022, 12:15:40 pmGood idea, I didn't even remember such wiki existed.

author: tinker357
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 01:35:56 pm
content: I don't know if this functionality exists and I don't know how to use it, but I would also like to be search by poster, since certain posters seem to have a high density of interesting content to me.

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 02:28:34 pm
content: Quote from: tinker357 on December 04, 2022, 01:35:56 pmSearch by user is already available on the forum's advanced search page:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/search/?advancedreplace the * in the By user: box by the exact user name, or by a partial user name with * as a wildcard, and also put at least one search term in the Search for: box.You can also exclude selected sub-forums e.g. if you don't want to read their ramblings about Cooking!N.B. if you aren't logged in yourself you will have to answer a Captcha.If you've got no idea what search terms to use, you can view all their posts via their profile. e.g. here's yours:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=878380

author: tinker357
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 02:44:02 pm
content: Thanks. I will try out what you wrote.

author: tinker357
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 03:31:56 pm
content: Hi Ian,I don't see how you got from my profile to u=878380

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 03:35:41 pm
content: Hover over the name next to a post in a topic and most browsers will show the user number in their status bar. Click the name next to a post, and it opens their profile where you'll find a 'Show Posts' link in the section below their name on the right, which is where I got your user 878380 'Show Posts' URL from.As Dave (Mr 'EEVblog') is trying to collect useful suggestions for new services and features here, if you've got further "how to use the forum" questions, please start an new topic for them rather than going further off topic in this one.

author: voltsandjolts
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 03:40:11 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 04, 2022, 10:39:09 amOh-Oh, hold onto your hats everyone, we're about to go through the attachment-scrambling wormhole again

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 03:43:35 pm
content: Quick! Attach some cat videos!

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 07:57:01 pm
content: Yeah, I wonder if Dave has some QA server to test stuff on or we are going to suffer some random cardgame again

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 08:00:10 pm
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on December 04, 2022, 10:08:36 amAgreed. This is the main thing that has been missing from this forum: an easy way to add/manage pictures to a posting. If I want to attach more than 1 image, I use an image hosting service but for many of my early postings the images are long gone.

author: Bicurico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 08:05:40 pm
content: 1) Attachment/Pictures is number one priority2) For me, getting a better private messaging system is the second priorityThis board has what I experience as the worst PM functionality I ever used. You cannot manage conversations, no attachments are possible, no way to download PM's for archive, etc.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 08:23:37 pm
content: I agree, attachments in PM would be my second suggestion but I didn't want to distract Dave from item #1

author: Kenneth Rosenstroem
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 08:45:46 pm
content: What about a new software entirely?https://www.vbulletin.com/comes to mind...

author: Jackster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 08:49:34 pm
content: Forum upgrade > any other hosted service thenXenforo is top btw. Much better than vBulletin.

author: Messtechniker
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 08:49:49 pm
content: Once this attachment thing works as advertisedmay I propose atest equipment picture database:Often only a test equipment designation is givenin the body of text.And often enough I'd like to see the correspondingpicture, preferably by way of an in-line link and not by needingto find a picture through an external search.Any ideas on this? Cool or not?

author: Messtechniker
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 08:54:05 pm
content: Quote from: Kenneth Rosenstroem on December 04, 2022, 08:45:46 pmBut only as a last resort. Lost the highly valued "Tonmeisterforum" forever because of such a move. Conversion didn't work and backups also didn't work. Was an extremely valuable resource, I am missing every day.

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 09:01:47 pm
content: I would like to open something of a can of wormsI mentioned this already some time ago, and a couple of other did as well.Would you consider changing the forum software completely? SMF shows it's age.Several communities i'm a member on are using Xenforo (www.xenforo.com), and i came to like it a lot. It is modern, with a seamlessly scaling UI depending on your device, and at the same time keeps the look and feel of a forum. Unlike for example DiscourseThe WYSIWYG Editor works well (and can be switched to a non-WYSIWYG Editor), and you can just drop an image into any post inline, or attach them as well. A well working notification system. A great quoting system, giving the opportunity to easily avoid fullquotes.Its paid software, but it is not expensive.Though of course i have no idea how much effort a migration would be. They say they have a SMF 2.0 importer, but i have no idea how well it worksQuote from: Messtechniker on December 04, 2022, 08:54:05 pmOoof, that hurts. But that the forum was lost that way shows incredibly poor planning by the webmaster of that site. Test your backups, people!

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 09:08:53 pm
content: Please, no, not Xenforo. Or anything else which insists I can only use one third of my display.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 09:12:16 pm
content: Quote from: Kenneth Rosenstroem on December 04, 2022, 08:45:46 pmI was an admin of a very large Mac forum back in the day. (It still exists, but has almost no traffic these days. But in its heyday of ~1999-2008ish, it was of similar membership as this forum is now.)Anyhow, it originally ran on Ultimate Bulletin Board, a Perl-based system that… didn’t scale. So it was switched to vBulletin, which ultimately worked quite well. Overall, it looks and feels quite a bit like this forum, perhaps a bit more refined. But they also invested quite a bit in a custom skin and quite a bit of custom code to make things work as they should.My hunch is that there would be very little advantage, if any, in migrating. And as Messtechniker said, migrations are risky (though how they managed to lose theirsourceforum is puzzling… that sounds like a botched effort in every way). One huge problem with migrating is that internal links almost never get migrated properly, leading to a ton of link rot. (I don’t know why this is so difficult, but it apparently is…)

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 09:27:53 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 04, 2022, 08:00:10 pmBut you know that you can attach up to 10 files, up to 5MB total?This has always worked, it's only inlining which is screwed up.

author: Jackster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 09:32:20 pm
content: Quote from: Monkeh on December 04, 2022, 09:08:53 pmThemes dictate this, not the forum software.Most allow users to choose between a fixed width and full width. You can also pick the colour of the theme.Hell, you can even have multiple themes. Would not be too hard to emulate this old theme and make Xenforo look alike.Quote from: magic on December 04, 2022, 09:27:53 pmIt becomes a pain if you have multiple images as you can only select one at a time.Modern editors will allow you to drop them in, move around and resize them. So much nicer than all in the footer.This is not good for archiving though. All posts with Photobucket photos for example are useless now.Really, all photos/images should be hosted on the forum unless absolutely necessary.Less load time for users as well. 1 less DNS lookup.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 09:34:50 pm
content: Quote from: Jackster on December 04, 2022, 09:32:20 pmI don't think I've ever seen a theme which behaves rationally for Xenforo. Maybe it's just the people using it..Frankly, if all you're going to do is make it look identical, I don't see the point. Which is good, because this works fine.

author: Anthocyanina
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:12:24 pm
content: A dark mode which looks like the default theme but in dark would be great. I've tried the dark theme available but It changes the user experience significantly enough, and not in a good way(and some icons are missing), that using the default light theme feels better

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:15:44 pm
content: TESTWell that's a FAIL.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:22:05 pm
content: Quote from: Bicurico on December 04, 2022, 08:05:40 pmNot true. Attachments work fine, it's just the inline image thing we have a problem with, so it's a manual workaround.I just tried installing the latest version but it still doesn't work. IIRC gnif might have hacked it premanently off because of the problems we had.NOTE: I can install any SMF mod you want, so if you find any mod you think might be useful then just tell me

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:31:57 pm
content: TEST of the new editor!Test of a copy'n'paste inline image:OMG IT WORKED!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:33:35 pm
content: Quote from: Jackster on December 04, 2022, 10:20:21 pmSorry, what is this? I can't make it out it's too small to see detail.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:35:56 pm
content: Oh, the cut'n'paste image uses IMGUR instead of native.

author: Jackster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:38:28 pm
content: Ah much better. Now we can stay on SMF until it gets too old.That GIF was showing Xenforo, literally just dragged a photo from this forum into the editor and it embed.This editor should now do the same.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:39:42 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 04, 2022, 08:00:10 pmI have installed a new WYSIWYG editor that allows you to copy and paste images inline without havign to upload. It uses IMGUR automatically.At first I thought this was not a good idea, but it's real easy to use, and if you absolutely want the image stored on the EEVblog server then you go to the trouble to upload it.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:41:00 pm
content: Quote from: Jackster on December 04, 2022, 10:38:28 pmI tried the drag and it seems to support it but the image didn't show up for me, I have to cut'n'paste inline

author: Jackster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:41:30 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 04, 2022, 10:39:42 pmTesting quotes..  They work but look ugly in the editor. It's fine.But also, if Imgur ever goes away, this will result in us losing all the photos uploaded to that service.Not great for old threads one wants to go back to years if not decades later.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:44:01 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 04, 2022, 10:22:05 pmDave, it's attachments in PM we are talking about, it's not possible, there's no option to add an attachment to a PM.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:45:02 pm
content: Quote from: Jackster on December 04, 2022, 10:41:30 pmHeaps of people use Imgur on the forum anyway, I even do it myself.The problem always remains that if we store inline images locally then the server will slowly become overloaded with image storage. It's why we have strict image size and number requirements for posts.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:45:42 pm
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on December 04, 2022, 10:44:01 pmFind me a mod that does it and i'll install it.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 10:47:04 pm
content: Any interest in this CMS?https://www.smfpacks.com/cms/

author: Jackster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 11:06:32 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 04, 2022, 10:45:02 pmHost them on a CDN instead of the forum? Fewer hits on your web server and bandwidth.That is what I do. BackBlaze S3 plus Cloudflare CDN or an Nginx Cache server infront of the S3 bucket.Hosting around 50GB for one forum and costs are less than $0.50 a month for it all.

author: Anthocyanina
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 11:10:08 pm
content: what about any of these dark themes?https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?theme=118https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?theme=2216https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?theme=22https://custom.simplemachines.org/index.php?theme=23

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2022, 11:13:58 pm
content: Is the rich text editor result if this thread? Can it be disabled? It absolutely utterly sucks.Edit: I see that it is. Well, too bad. It would be good if there was an option to disable it in the profile. There is an option "Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default.", but it no longer does anything.

author: Andy Watson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 12:24:25 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 04, 2022, 11:13:58 pm+1Oh Lee crap! That's horrible.

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 12:29:31 am
content: +2Fortunately you can still click the toggle view toolbar button (furthest right) to turn off WYSIWYG and see plain text + BBCODE. However its a PITA having to do that *EVERY* *%EXPLETIVE%* *TIME*

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 12:49:48 am
content: Huh, so that master-overrides the profile setting? I've had this off for years, now the option has no effect (just checked).Also it seems to be adding extra CRs at the end of my post. And the font size is mismatched between copy-paste and typed. And the "remove formatting" maybe works. But without being able to see the actual formatting I just have no idea...Also saw a weird thing where a CR can't be CTRL+Larrow navigated past? Sometimes the default Chrome textbox does weird things (like entering a space at EOL, doesn't wrap or compress the space, but inserts a hidden LF or something, for some reason..!), but I don't think it's done that before.Ah yeah it's reproducible, seems like it's the first CR in a pasted section that can't be CTRL+LEFT'd past?Ah and also pasting adds extra CRs below the section. Great...Also the textbox starts really small, at first I thought it was resized but typing this now I realize it's resizing automatically... at least to a point. Not really a necessary feature as the browser makes textboxes resizable these days, but probably handy for those that don't.Ed: and ALT+S is disabled!? Wait, it's disabled within the textbox, I have to defocus it for the button shortcut to work?(Note: I'm not so much complaining, as reporting bugs and differences to see if others reproduce them, and for posterity. Maybe they can be fixed. Maybe it's a tolerable usage change given other features. I don't know.)Also, image paste I guess!Ed2: Aha, now the Toggle View button is working, huh, weird. I swear I tried that before and it didn't work. I did toggle the profile setting, clear cache, and refresh since then, maybe that did it? Maybe I just wasn't clicking it right the first time? Weird. Downside: now the textbox is tiny, it disables the auto-resize (and the massive toolbar takes up much of the area), so I'll probably be manually resizing that more often now...Also for posterity, the toolbar wraps at lower window sizes: I have it around 1760px wide where all the buttons and emotes fit onto one line each. That's a disaster for readability; I normally keep it around 1000-1200. On the upside, I guess, it does scrunch down all the way to 640px and even less, although at the default textbox height it only fits five lines of text...Tim

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 12:51:17 am
content: I've tried this editor about two years ago, and didn't like it back then. Don't remember the exact reasons, some things were not working.Testing it now, drag and drop from file explorer to the editor doesn't work with current Ubuntu+Firefox (back then was working, yet it was embedding the pics as base64 text, and made a mess when quoted pics or editing previous posts with base64 pics embedded in them). Now it highlights the editor area and says 'Drop file here' but the jpg does not drop. Copy/paste a JPG with CTRL+C CTRL+V pastes a link to the local filesystem instead of embedding the pic.'Insert Quote' button (from the post reply page) doesn't work either. Nothing happens when pressed.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 12:52:17 am
content: Quote from: Ian.M on December 05, 2022, 12:29:31 am*sigh*Whatexactlyis wrong with it?Being able to paste an image directly inline and have it automatically IMGUR it is pretty cool.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 12:56:39 am
content: Fine, disabled. Everyone happy again?I'm pretty convinced that no matter what changes I make to the forum, people are not going to be happy.That only cost me a decent lunch to try.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 01:08:02 am
content: Please let me know if you think this is useful:https://www.smfpacks.com/stream.php?video=cms

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 01:08:37 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 05, 2022, 12:52:17 amBut anyway, yes!On that note, maybe a long shot, but there's at least one place I know of that's embedded schematic editing (via Circuitlab).NO idea how difficult that is, if a plugin exists or etc...Tim

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 01:09:13 am
content: That's why there should be settings for this stuff. I know that plugin authors may not have ability or desire to include those settings for individual profiles, but that's more the reason to not mess with things. This forum is one of the last things not overloaded with modern UI BS, it would be great to keep it the way it is.

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 01:13:39 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 05, 2022, 12:56:39 amThank you.Some of us have BBCODE hard-wired in our brains from years of hanging out on various forums. Others have various accessibility issues that make plain text editing much easier for them.I can understand it could be a good thing for new users to have their profile 'Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default.' checkbox initially checked so they get the WYSIWYG experience, but unless there is an overriding reason to stop supporting plain text, please don't remove our choice by making that checkbox ineffective or removing it.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 01:14:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 05, 2022, 01:08:02 amI did not watch the whole video, but it looks like something that is for site admin rather than users? It is not clear what of the stuff shown in the video accessible to normal users, since he is logged in from an admin account.And the part I randomly scrolled to shows how you can execute arbitrary javascript. This could go horribly wrong if you let users do that.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 03:50:45 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 05, 2022, 01:14:49 amI got the impression that users could create pages and organise how the forum looked to them. Seems like an insane aount of effort to go to just for admins.

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 05:05:28 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 04, 2022, 10:15:44 pmI don't get it. We have tons of existing messages with the ' [ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] ' in the thread. Why is it when the forum displays the message, it will just insert the image #1 from the available files which were attached?I mean, modify the the display of posts to fetch and change the '[ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ]' to '[ img ] [ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] [ /img ]' during display. This way, all existing previous posts throughout the past few years since the first bug existed will all now display correctly.I mean, do not modify any of the current attached file code. Do not modify the current 'attachimg' inserted text. Do not modify existing posts, just make the swap during the display of each message as if it were the '[ img ] [image file name] [ /img ]'In other words, if done the way I say, the original post you made will self-fix as well as all the other posts.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 07:33:35 am
content: Quote from: BrianHG on December 05, 2022, 05:05:28 amI don't think it's that easy, as that's exactly what the plugin is supposed to do I believe. The problem someone quite complex about database syncs and the wrong image being displayed.The forum server is actualyl two database servers for redundency and performance reasons, and IIRC something got all out of whack with SMF.

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 08:24:06 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on December 04, 2022, 09:08:53 pmAre you referring to the limited page width that many Xenforo communities use?That can be toggled, at least in one community i'm a member.Reduced width is the default though, and i find it significantly easier to read. Full width on a WQHD display is a lot more difficult to read, at least for me. Likely for a similar reason that newspaper articles are laid out in columns instead of long lines.The neat thing though is that the width scales depending on screensize. On an iPad for example, the page is automatically full width.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 10:11:32 am
content: 1. dragged into the box2. selected with "browse"3. "more attachments" and "browse"4. dragged into the box5. "more attachments" and "browse"editWell, it reordered them a littleThis plugin poorly integrates with SMF's built-in attachment management.How hard was it to get that right...6. bonus

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 10:23:40 am
content: Well, in all fairness, it's not a serious problem.Either ignore the new upload plugin and use the old boxes like before or ignore them and upload everything through the plugin.I guess I just like to make fun of crappy software

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 10:29:31 am
content: Another test.Blocking malwarescript from code.jquery.org restores original behavior.50% of websites will stop working when one day this domain goes down

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 11:23:27 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 05, 2022, 12:52:17 amLooks fine when you do it. When some tosser has a 4K photo of a fuse and does the same... I've stopped dropping into threads where there are lots of big photos pasted inline just because they can do it. The SMF plugin that doesn't work would be super useful if it actually did work and make that kind of problem disappear.Why are big inline images a pain? Because they take no notice of my browser window size, and the text I'm reading keeps jumping around as images slowly load. In the right place and used with some thought behind them, inline images are fab. Otherwise they're just a pain in the arse, the 21C version of marquees.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 11:48:26 am
content: Quote from: AndyBeez on December 04, 2022, 11:30:13 amIs that error deliberate? A spellchecker wouldn't spot it, because chequer is the wrong word. You'd need a grammar checker.Most browsers come with a spellchecker, which can be enabled by right clicking on the text box and clicking check spelling in Firefox. There are probably also grammar checker extensions available for most browsers, but I've not looked into it.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2022, 10:17:00 pm
content: EEVBLOG roblox server/sQuote from: PlainName on December 05, 2022, 11:23:27 amIf its loading, let it load in a tab and do something else. Once its loaded its a non-issue, as it should auto resize in most browsers.If you want to tweak the max size to a fixed number you can probably run a script like thisCode:@-moz-document domain("eevblog.com") {img {max-width: 800px;height: auto;}}

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 01:15:26 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 05, 2022, 12:56:39 amI wish you'd left it on for more than a fewhoursso that more of us could have tried it. Most of us literally did not even get the chance to try it once. And you know how it is: people that don't like something are FAR more likely to say something than people who like it.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 01:37:26 am
content: Quote from: tooki on December 06, 2022, 01:15:26 amYou can still try essentially the same thing. If you click "Reply" on the post you will see a editor with a lot of controls. This mod added the same functionality but also in the quick reply box.But the editor you get now actually respects profile setting for the rich editor (there is a button "Toggle View" to switch it on the fly). The added one always defaulted to the rich version making it a pain to copy-paste stuff from the web pages because it also copes formatting.

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 02:13:47 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 05, 2022, 12:56:39 amYou do know that a handful of people aren't appointed to speak for everyone. It came and went before I knew of it. Which may be a good thing at times.If you had a test forum these changes could be left around for much longer without placing the live forum at risk and reducing stress involved in trying to ensure all problems are dealt with.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 02:20:16 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 06, 2022, 01:37:26 amPlease don’t condescend. I’m well familiar with what the current forum software offers. (Have you not noticed my post count, dude?) The point is that the thing that was tested isnotthe same thing, and the devil is in the details. “Essentially” the same thing is not actually thesamething.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 02:26:55 am
content: Quote from: AndyBeez on December 04, 2022, 11:30:13 amBut every browser and/or OS has that built in now. Why would a forum need to provide that itself?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 03:23:29 am
content: Quote from: tooki on December 06, 2022, 01:15:26 amRe-enabled so people can try it. I'll leave it there for a day or two.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 05:17:40 am
content: This editor breaks quoting. Previously you could select one word in the message, press "Quote", and it would quote that one word. Replying to multiple points in the same post was really easy.This editor quotes the whole post including the other quotes. It is either a lot of manual editing or get ready to a lot of overquoting.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 05:34:14 am
content: Haven't noticed anything much yet apart from the fact that the font in the editor is larger than what it was before. Which I don't mind. It doesn't affect the font size of the posts in threads.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 05:38:59 am
content: You just don't quote a lot. If you just reply, it is not a huge difference.But it also steals the keyboard input focus. If you click on a topic and press a down button to scroll through the page, you will insta jump to the input in the quick-reply box. So you need to additionally click on the text to make it scroll correctly.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 05:53:16 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 06, 2022, 05:38:59 amJust trying. It seems to work fine. I never select text first and click on quote though, I quote and just edit the quote while editing my post, so I haven't seen a difference indeed. So all depends on your "workflow".

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 08:15:35 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 06, 2022, 05:38:59 amIt also does some fscked up things with keyboard shortcuts. I am literally unable to type anything, because my browser is configured to interpret certain single-letter keystrokes as commands (like history back/forward, go to next/prior tab, etc). Normally those shortcuts don't work when I'm typing in a text box because otherwise obviously it wouldn't be possible to type anything.But with this thing, even though I'm typing into a text box, somehow the keystrokes manage to "escape" and trigger browser actions. I suspect they use wrong JS event handler or maybe their handler returns wrong value or some other stupid bug. I don't remember having this problem with the built-in "rich" editor of SMF.And yes, it always defaults to the idiot mode.Furthermore, if you switch to text mode and press CTRL-Z, it takes you back to the idiot modeAnd, I tried to submit this post with ALT+S just now and that doesn't work either.Damn, it's supposed to be ALT+SHIFT+S. Still, it always worked for me without SHIFT somehoweditIt finally posted, yayBack to dummy mode in editing again

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 08:20:45 am
content: Now it's ON again is the first I had played with it the post before so followed nose that led me here.It's not so bad if no further functionality is busted and particularly if the 1st attachment bug is finally fixed.Complex multi quotes are something I do a bit of so that needs to work properly as does Insert Quote.Let's try one at random.....nah it's busted.No, let's not change the forum just to break something that worked properly just to fix some other bug !I used to thinkXenforo (fuck this can't even Copy/Paste properly and breaks the font size) was the ducks nuts but familiarity with SMF has me prefer it overXenforo even though I have 1k posts in aXenforo forum.Even thephpBB forum where the TEA chaps now call home is not too bad and certainly not busted like this new SMF plugin.EditLook at all the formatting crap it did in my post. Copy/Paste twice fucked with the font......unbelievable.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 08:29:50 am
content: There is hopeBlock malwarescript fromcode.jquery.comand it'salmostback to normal. Guess I'm going to do it for now.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 08:34:14 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 06, 2022, 05:34:14 amIt changes to fixed width font in text mode.The original editor just uses the browser's default font. The text I type appears exactly the same (except line length and line breaks) as it will appear in the post.Quote from: tautech on December 06, 2022, 08:20:45 amYeah, I seem to recall the primary complaint being that there is five million posts with[ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ], which is not exactly the way their authors intended them to render, and new such things are still being posted every other day by newcomers, followed by an occasional "what am I doing wrong?".This new plugin is just Dave procrastinatingAnd by the way.Some people will guess/know/expect that they are supposed to drag images into the post and their images will get uploaded to imgur and things will be cool (provided imgur doesn't screw somethnig).Others will try to use attachments and thenandwhen those don't work as expected.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 09:49:11 am
content: I tried drag and drop an image in this editor but it does not work.Only in the attachment part you can drag and drop files.So a bigBest fix would be to remove the inline image options from the drop down menu, if possible, and be done with it.Edit: the inline image option in this editor allows to set the width and height, via a gui so that helps somewhat, but it seems you can't change the settings afterwards. Have to delete and redo to change the width or height.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 11:57:50 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 06, 2022, 03:23:29 amSCEditor (the so called "new" editor) and can be tested online, with all its features maxed and working:https://www.sceditor.com/SCEditor is a separate project, just like SQL or NGINX are not part of SMF, some of those features might not work in SMF, or they might interfere with other SMF addons.Posting the link and suggesting for the curious to try it there first, because 2 years ago I've manged to break my SMF install trying to fix things that were not working as expected in SCEditor. That was a RPi with a SMF meant as an alternative to a blog-like and/or personal project repo but online, a first time install and could have been entirely my fault.Now, after 2 years, weird things are still there, random example, when I press enter to add an empty line, a new line is created, but the text in the edit does not scroll up, so to see the empty line I have to use the mouse wheel. Back then there were many bugs. Many are are still present.Quote from: magic on December 06, 2022, 08:29:50 amCan you tell or point me to a link of how to do that, please? No idea if that's a checkbox in the options here, a Firefox setting, or a sysadmin setting in the firewall. Using Linux/Firefox, and Stylus to add a custom dark theme. I don't know much about javascript, CSS, HTML and alike, so don't know what should I search for.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 03:27:14 pm
content: Quote from: magic on December 06, 2022, 08:29:50 amI tried blocking the script, but it breaks the quoting again. When you try to quote, it just shows "Loading...." thing.I guess I just need to start not quote and reply with abstract things, this editor is pure grbage.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 03:57:46 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 05, 2022, 12:56:39 amJust do what people ask: have a fix for inlining images. Maybe setup an image hosting service on your own server (only accessible for EEVblog members). Nobody asked to 'fix' the editor.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 04:00:48 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 06, 2022, 03:27:14 pmDamn, same here. I suppose it hijacks this functionality so it no longer works standalone.The bar with formatting options and emoticons disappears too, as I showed.Quote from: RoGeorge on December 06, 2022, 11:57:50 amJust noticed another annoying thing. It keep resizing the text box as lines are added or removed. It also seems to force some maximum limit; I think that previously I could expand this box manually as far as I wanted to.editYes, blocking JQuery removes this limitation. I can make it several screens long.Quote from: RoGeorge on December 06, 2022, 11:57:50 amI have been using the NoScript addon in Firefox since forever to block annoying scripts.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 04:21:19 pm
content: Blocking JQuery is likely a very gross method, akin to anesthetic via giant mallet. It's just a library of shortcut functions, it's nothing malicious in and of itself. No idea what else might be using it.Interestingly, I don't see it used on viewing, and I don't recall whether it was used on the original post page. It may very well be key to the addon's functionality, but keep in mind that won't always be the case.It definitely sounds like, whoever wrote this one, wasn't aware of a number of use-cases, like shortcuts. Surely it is supported and a bug report can be made and addressed promptly?On the note of failing shortcuts, I've only seen one that breaks my flow: TI's E2E board, the textbox breaks Back To Backspace. So I have to type my comments in Notepad and paste them in... Well, I can imagine the cluster if one has more shortcuts configured. Noteworthy that this appears to be implemented by an editable IFRAME (rich), versus a regular old TEXTAREA (plain). Could also be the plugin needs to mask off editable elements, not just text and input.Tim

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 04:35:54 pm
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on December 06, 2022, 04:21:19 pmSMF is older than JQuery and it employs very little JS in the first place, so it likely doesn't use it at all.If it does, it may include its own copy on the forum server instead of fetching it fromjquery.com.Many sites take the second option, though. If that ever goes down, it will be a disaster like the sinking of ImageShack

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 07:02:23 pm
content: For what it’s worth, having used it to reply to a number of threads, my initial impression is positive. It’s not perfect, but as someone who does the majority of my forum use on mobile devices while commuting (by public transit; don’t worry, I’m not driving a car!), the new editor is WAY better than editing bbcode on mobile, and way better than the old WYSIWYG editor with its hella-fucked quoting and weirdness.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 08:10:40 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 06, 2022, 05:17:40 amThis is the problem I have with it. There doesn't appear to be a way to break a quote up into smaller pieces. It's annoying. I just turn disable scripting when I need to do that and turn it back on, when I need to. It's possible to just block it, as others have mentioned, but I'm far too lazy and this method is easy to turn on and off.Quote from: tooki on December 06, 2022, 01:15:26 amPerhaps a poll would be a better idea?

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 08:27:48 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on December 06, 2022, 08:10:40 pmSo, we broke a lot of stuff for no clear benefit and now we need to disable the scripts or switch modes.Disabling scripting is also not ideal, since it still breaks partial quoting. With scripts disabled I still get the whole thing quoted, but it open in a new full reply page instead of adding to the quick reply.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 08:53:04 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 06, 2022, 08:27:48 pmYes, it's a pain in the bum. Hopefully it'll be unpopular enough for Dave to disable it. The irritating thing is it's easy to enable, for those who want it.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 09:13:38 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on December 06, 2022, 08:53:04 pmWhat do you mean? It’s not the same WYSIWYG editor as has been available hitherto.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 09:20:23 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on December 06, 2022, 09:13:38 pmIs it not? I looks similar to me. To be fair. I didn't use it, that much. What's the difference?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 09:21:48 pm
content: This is a very good example of how GUI design is pure hell to support. So many different ways of using it and behaviors depending on individual environments.In my personal case, I haven't had much problems with the new editor and it has actually fewer issues than the old one. For MY way of using it and MY environment.Good luck Dave.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 09:23:43 pm
content: Quote from: magic on December 06, 2022, 08:34:14 amNope, not for me. It's definitely not a fixed font here, it's the same font but with a larger size.Again don't assume that the issues and behavior you are encountering are the same in any other environment.More good luck to Dave.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 09:27:37 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on December 06, 2022, 09:20:23 pmOf course not. Dave literally wrote that he just installed it.The main difference I’m observing is that this new one actually works: it produces bbcode. The old one did weird stuff that, for example, made loony quotes.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 09:32:07 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 06, 2022, 09:21:48 pmIt also comes down to personal preference to some extent.QuoteTry splitting up a post into separate quotes, as I've just done.QuoteThe ideal solution is to enable users to enable/disable it in their profiles.Quote from: tooki on December 06, 2022, 09:27:37 pmThere doesn't appear to be a way to split a quote up, so it's useless to me.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 09:35:58 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on December 06, 2022, 09:32:07 pmThere seems to be... at least for me.Quote from: Zero999 on December 06, 2022, 09:32:07 pmI would find it useless as well if I could not.Yeah, good luck Dave.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 10:20:02 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 06, 2022, 09:35:58 pmHow did you do that? It doesn't work for me. I have to use plain text view to do that. If I try it in the editor, it just expands the quote.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 10:30:01 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 06, 2022, 09:23:43 pmOK, I reanabled it to check.It uses monospace in text mode.In default mode it's indeed the same font, but larger than normally for some bizarre reason.Quote from: Zero999 on December 06, 2022, 10:20:02 pmThis doesn't seem to be working, I think he cheated

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 10:34:04 pm
content: Quote from: magic on December 06, 2022, 10:30:01 pmI wouldn't mind a large font for the forum view, as it's a little small for me on some monitors, but clicking the zoom button is easy enough.QuoteExactly. I don't believe him.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 10:45:58 pm
content: The number of people splitting up quotes is low, the number splitting up quotes and caring that the context is preserved in the subsequent sub-quotes are lower.This post is perfectly legible to me:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/are-there-any-eevblog-server-app-youd-like-to-see-installed/msg4566241/#msg4566241If you care enough then toggle the text editor back to the old mode. Was there some split option on the old one I never used?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 11:04:05 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on December 06, 2022, 10:45:58 pmWell.Quote from: thm_w on December 06, 2022, 10:45:58 pmUnless my browser is acting different (I use Firefox which must now be a rare occurence), I'm pretty sure the problem lies in that you're trying to split quotes in a different way than I do, but I've always used the same way even with the old editor. That again would be very typical of the GUI hell that developers have to handle.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 11:10:28 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on December 06, 2022, 10:34:04 pmIt could be bigger indeed but at least it is still readable. Some websites use fonts that don't render well with anti-aliasing switched off resulting in unreadable garbage.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 11:15:17 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on December 06, 2022, 10:45:58 pmThere was a way to select a portion of the post you want to quote and it would add just this part as a quote. You can do this multiple times for different part of the post or even multiple posts.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 11:38:17 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 06, 2022, 11:15:17 pmBlimey! I just copy the relevant text, hit the quote button, paste. Didn't realise there was a cleverer way to make it minutely easier

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 11:53:06 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 06, 2022, 11:15:17 pmOK so that is the actual issue I missed, yeah I can see that being irritating if you quote a lot from long posts.Although I just used the generic "insert quote" button, as I had no idea this was a feature.Seems like an abandoned mod:https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=170830.0

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 12:04:10 am
content: I may be completely crazy, but I think it just worked and I doubt there was something special installed, so it is possible that it became a standard feature since then.In any case, I think I'll just take this as an opportunity to spend less time on the form and do something more useful. I see no point in fighting bad UIs.

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 05:05:00 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 07, 2022, 12:04:10 amYes we know, every time something is changed in the forum you don't agree. We know that you only care about electronics and so on, don't have space for anything more than that.It's not the first time you say you gonna take some time away. Then why don't you take that time and let us who are trying to get something functional while helping Dave to achieve that?

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 08:13:07 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on December 06, 2022, 10:45:58 pmThere is no old mode because this Po$ replaces it, that's the main complaint from everybodyEven if you click the "text mode button":1. it still doesn't revert to the original editor2. it still doesn't remember the choice, so one would have to do it each time3. it's still buggy:a) some people say it breaks "insert quote"b) a stupid limit on the size of the text boxc) a monospace font for some incomprehensible reasond) a larger font than normally + c) means that b) gets even worsee) related to b), the cursor turns into "hand" rather than "arrows" over the "resize textbox" cornerf) no tooltips over the emoticon buttons, this also applies to WYSYWIG modeg) press CTRL+Z too many times and it takes you back to WYSYWIGAnd most of this breakage I have identified in just a few minutes, so I'm sure there is more. I block scripts to castrate this newfangled plugin most of the time; this doesn't restore full operation of the original SMF editor, but at least gets rid of the worst problems introduced by the new one. So far I'm finding new problems each time I re-enable it to check something.Last but not least, the forum still hasn't been fully cleaned up after thepreviousround of SMF extension experiments

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 09:18:49 am
content: Just noticed a big difference (possibly because of the scripts that need to be enabled now). If you reply (or quote), do the edit then post the result, previously you could use the browser 'back' to go back to the edit and then the place where you started. Important if you're replying to a post which is a page or so back from the tail.With the new editor, back takes you to the editor and then a few more tries gets you to the end of the thread. You've lost your position. The edit tab shows up as a separate instance in the browser history (that is, you'll have an entry for the thread, then the post, then another for continuing the thread). Previously, there was just one entry for the thread (since it was only one tab for the entire thing).I was ambivalent about the other 'features' but this is really annoying.Edit: screeny to show the effect. Previously there would be one entry for 'Are there any EEVBlog...' and one for 'Editing' (regardless of pages or posts).

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 09:28:44 am
content: FYI, this posthttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sna5000x-two-and-four-port-vnas-coming/msg4566994/#msg4566994was made with some Copy/Paste and came out fine when the Toggle View setting and Paste as Plain Text was used.W10 and ChromeEditIt still broke the URL !Reply #62 it was.

author: Bicurico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 10:45:28 am
content: Dave,While you are messing around with the forum software, there is another feature request I have (apart from better support for placing pictures in posts and being able to put attachments into private messages):Like it is currently, once you post in any thread, it will be shown forever in "Show new replies to your posts". I use that link a lot, because I can quickly see (mainly on my phone), what new developments happend in the respective topic.However, there is no way to unsubscribe to this! And over time I have replied in topics in which I no longer have any interest. Some of those are mega active (like the TEA topic - no offense, but I just don't want to have it listed in my unread topics every 10 minutes).So the request is: make it possible to unsubscribe to topics to which one has replied.Hope I was able to explain the situation: there is the function to subscribe/unsubscribe to topics (no issue with that) and then there is this automatic lifelong subscription to every topic you replied - this is where I would like to be able to cancel this subscription.Thanks!Regards,Vitor

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 10:49:31 am
content: Quote from: Bicurico on December 07, 2022, 10:45:28 amThe Ignore topics feature was added a while back.Here's how to use it:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/

author: Bicurico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 11:08:34 am
content: Thanks!!!I somehow missed this and it does work!

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 11:10:02 am
content: As a workaround for very verbose topics, I use the ignore topic checkbox (browsing from a desktop, don't know if that checkbox is available for the mobile theme, too).Found another weirdness in the reply editor, when at the end of a line and press dell, it deletes a few characters from the next line, then it stops deleting (at random), so I end up with only half of word deleted, or I have to click with the mouse on the next row, and complete the deletion of that row.Now I must check visually if a Delete really deleted the next letter or not. And the text jumps around, and the edit window keeps resizing itself.About deleting, too, Backspace always acts unpredictable, sometimes it deletes many spaces+the last char, some other time only deletes a space.Got enough fun unexpected behavior, maybe I was spending too much time anyway on EEVblog.See you in the future, bye!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 11:32:59 am
content: The new editor has been disabled again. The old one is back.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 11:43:42 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 07, 2022, 11:32:59 amThe attachment options are still there but broken, that was the reason I started this whole conversation.Uploaded the image with the "Inline full-size image" option and this is the result.Please remove the plugin that is giving the options if you can't get it working.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 11:57:14 am
content: I think marquee text is a goal post for progress

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 03:10:06 pm
content: Quoting is still broken for me. If I press "Quote" button, it would just show "Loading...." forever. So, it was not removed cleanly.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 03:41:11 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 07, 2022, 03:10:06 pmFine for me as you can see above

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 03:47:05 pm
content: This is strange. I just tried in a new session with a different browser and I still see the same behavior. All adblocks are also disabled.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 04:31:51 pm
content: OK, can anyone tell me if this thing has always been here or only in the last few days?I haven't noticed it before, so I assumed it's new. It interacts poorly with the traditional "(more attachments)" function, although it's not a disaster.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 04:53:56 pm
content: QuoteIt's new. Thought it was part of the new editor but apparently not (since that's been reverted).

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 05:41:39 pm
content: I noticed it while the editor was disabled for the first time.I tested itherewith a somewhatoutcome.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 07:57:14 pm
content: Quote from: magic on December 07, 2022, 04:31:51 pmStill there however I won't use it until it's well proven not to have bugs !Even the 1st attachment has had issues for a couple years so I won't use that bugger either and instead (more attachments) for which you only have 9 so complex posts require planning.Adding attachments within text is easy when you know how and use the 2 forum editors correctly.Here's a rundown:Make post in normal way leaving spaces within text where attachments will be and load attachments in the order they will be used so to have the attachment thumbnails at the foot of the post like normal.Where the first attachment will be add the IMG flag and note an empty flag can only be used once unpopulated with a image URL in any post. SMF strips more than a single one away.Then post, then use Edit and first Copy/Paste the IMG flag into every place you wish to show attachments and one by one Copy/Paste each attachment URL into each IMG flag and press Save.Only in the Edit mode can we collect the attachment URL's to paste into the IMG flags.We can do similar with dual monitors after making a post by collecting each attachment URL and adding them into the IMG flag in another window in Modify or Edit mode.Doesn't take long to get quite slick at it and for just 3 or 4 images you can get it done before the edit time flag appears at the foot of the post.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 08:02:19 pm
content: A thing with the new image drag and drop is that it remembers an added image when you decide not to post your post, and then on a next post it comes with a warning that you still have an attachment selected.Don't know if it will be remembered after closing the browser and restarting the computer, but attached is the warning I got.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 08:19:03 pm
content: They are uploaded to the server instantly so I'm sure they will stay there at least for a while.This happens to files dragged into the box and to files selected in the first attachment line.Files selected in further lines (after clicking "(more attachments)") are only uploaded when you hit "post".Nevertheless, they appear before the former on the listQuote from: tautech on December 07, 2022, 07:57:14 pmWhat sort of problems? I have never encountered anything weird until two days ago.Most of the time I probably only upload one attachment, but it certainly can be two or three sometimes and my record is eleven.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 09:00:07 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 07, 2022, 11:32:59 amDang. I actually prefered the new one.Oh well, that was expected. Again GUI stuff is horrendous to support and for web-based stuff, there's so much variation depending on OS, browsers, add-ons and so on that it's almost impossible to please everyone.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 09:54:46 pm
content: If at all possible I would like to see the edit time window extended, I really despise seeing the "Last Edit" footer in a post just because I misspelt a word and needed to make a quick edit. This also applies to posts where more time is required to dick around with image insertion.I quite often make a post then realise afterwards that something was wrong so rather than be cursed for all of eternity with a last edit notice I simply quote the post then edit it and post again, I then remove the prior post and hope that nobody else has had time to quote it.Some may not be aware that when you make a post there is a short time window in which you can modify and edit the post without incurring the last edit notice, I don't know how long it is exactly, ten seconds or so at a guess.<<last edit:Todayat 00:00:00 am by Muttley>>

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 10:08:04 pm
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on December 07, 2022, 09:54:46 pmI never had that problem but then again, I edit the existing post (which I do quite often) and not delete & create a new post.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 10:09:32 pm
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on December 07, 2022, 09:54:46 pmThanks as always for cheering us up.30s at least as I often notice something needing correction and generally can do it without raising the edited flag.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 10:18:10 pm
content: Quote from: magic on December 07, 2022, 08:19:03 pmFor a while the 1st attachment was somehow appearing in other posts one made like it was still somewhere in the system and linked to you and came out when you made a subsequent post.Darn annoying it was as you always had to edit posts to delete it and for some time the only workaround was not to use the first attachment. Bit me a few times so just skipped the first attachment and all was well.In the new UI it seems a warning is issued that an unused attachment is available and you have options of what you can do with it. That's a great improvement but unfortunately the rest of the new UI is so busted we can't really use it until it's somewhat improved.However, thumbs up to Dave for giving us the change to try it and maybe know what's coming once its bugs are sorted.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 10:42:40 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on December 07, 2022, 10:09:32 pmI didn't think there was a time. I thought the edit flag only appeared, if someone saw the post before you edited it. This is based on the fact that sometimes it appears I can spend a while editing, where as others, it appears immediately. If so, that makes sense and it shouldn't be changed.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2022, 10:48:54 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on December 07, 2022, 10:42:40 pmYes, maybe it does work like that IDK but when flagged as edited, a post also gets reflagged as New even though you may have already read it.Edit to check the editor works as mentioned in reply #140

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2022, 12:05:56 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on December 07, 2022, 09:54:46 pmValid suggestion, but, I don't really care if the notice is there or not when reading posts.I suspect most don't?edit: you could probably write a script to strip it, if you really wanted.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2022, 12:12:10 am
content: I do try to fix typos fast to avoid this message, but it is really not a big deal. Also I was under the assumption that it is not time based, but based on whether message was seen by someone else since the original post.Also, am I really the only one with the quote button broken?Test Edit.Also, if I press the quick edit button, I see inline editor, but when I press "Save" it just discards the edit and throws me to the beginning of the thread. Normal "Modify" of the post works fine. Is this a server synchronization issue of some sort?

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2022, 12:37:46 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 08, 2022, 12:12:10 amYeah, the quick editor does not work now.Some sort of vestigial feature of the new editor no?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2022, 12:54:41 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on December 08, 2022, 12:37:46 amIt does.See recent edit to reply #137.W10 and Chrome.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2022, 01:23:12 am
content: I think this forum runs on two replicated servers for load balancing and redundancy or something like this.Because neither quick edit nor quote works for me. On Win/Linux and on Chrome/Firefox with clean profile and cookies.So may be replication went wrong and different people get served different code? I'm pretty sure the stuff that is broken is all related to JavaScript only.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2022, 01:37:14 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 08, 2022, 01:23:12 amYet the only issues I saw was with the new UI and now everything seems back to normal without clearing cookies, reboots or whatever.....it's just working as it should, switch new UI on andthen back to old UI and.No Ad blockers or any other crap just normal W10 and Chrome.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2022, 08:17:02 am
content: The ninja-edit timeout is precisely 90 seconds.I have a bunch of posts edited in the 91st second so it would be nice if this could be raised retrospectively to 100 secondsQuote from: tautech on December 07, 2022, 10:18:10 pmThis seems suspiciously similar to theweirdness described by pcprogrammer.I'm not 100% sure how it was earlier, but currently attachments uploaded in the first line are uploaded immediately (and it's possible to upload a few, they appear as a list below the first upload line). If you don't post, they stay around and attach to the next postMaybe something similar was already happening earlier. Wasn't it a fault of the "inline attachment" plugin that Dave installed and later disabled? Maybe it still is? I recall Dave saying that he has updated this plugin to the latest version a few days ago. Maybe that's where the drag&drop box comes from, too.At any rate, I haven't had such problems.But... I tend to block 3rd party scripts, which includes JQuery downloaded fromcode.jquery.com. So it's possible that this buggy plugin simply never worked for me and that's how I stayed out of troubleIndeed, if I block scripts from this domain now, the drag&drop box disappears, and the 1st attachment line works for me like in traditional SMF. The only difference is that I still see the "inline thumbnail/image" options, which insert[ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ]into my post and then nothing happens because it's all broken as we know.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 10:45:54 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 08, 2022, 01:23:12 amIt does.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 11:27:59 am
content: Hi Dave,Did you do any software changes to the forum in recent days, besides adding/removing the new editor and upgrading that old plugin for inline image attachments?1. I noticed some changes in attachment functions and at least one member confirmed that they occurred recently. We wonder where they came from.2. There exist some minor oddities/inconveniences related to those changes and I think I understand how it works and why the weird things happen.3. They look similar to what I remember as the problems which caused the inline attachments plugin to get patched/blocked/disabled/neutered two years ago, i.e.- attachments may appear in different order than some old time SMF users could naively expect- attachments may appear in future posts; happens if you don't submit the post for which they were uploaded

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 12:44:06 pm
content: Something else noticed today, quick-edited some typo and the post remained unchanged.Seen this before in the last few days, when only the full edit changes were applied (edited from the 'Modify' button in the top-right of the post), but not the changes made with the bottom-right quick edit icon.LATER MODIFIED===============Yep, still happens, and after submit, it throws me at the first post from page one of this topic, instead of coming back to this place where I've just submitted from quick-edit (the bottom icon edit).Modify from the upper button takes effect and returns to the last post here, as it should.

author: Whales
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 12:52:28 pm
content: Thankyou for the efforts with image inlining, I hope you find a solution. Having to post, find attachment URLs and then edit is a pain compared to what it used to be with (attachimg=x). Not to mention all of the old topics this would fix.Imgur will eventually go down, all image hosts have gone down or decided to drop old/free images over the years. I've been part of several forums that have lost all user content because of this. I know storage and bandwidth cost you Dave, but even an ugly super-aggressive image resizer addon config is better than using imgur. IIRC this forum already has one (and it's not the best, sometimes it recompresses my images to be larger than what I uploaded). Can it be configured to (eg) enforce a maximum image resolution of 1.5Kx1.5K?

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 01:27:12 pm
content: Quote from: magic on December 09, 2022, 11:27:59 amThat was me? I later found that the feature may have been there all along, and I just started seeing it when enabling the javascript for the new editor and then not getting rid of all the scripts when that editor was removed. Rather, I blocked jquery.com but on the viewing page, not the editing pageI can confirm that getting the blockers back to how they used to be, as opposed to how I thought they used to be, gets rid of the attachment drag'n'drop too.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 05:20:02 pm
content: Yes, this modification issue is exactly what I've described before.And quoting is still broken for me.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 05:42:52 pm
content: Damn, three years and I never noticed that there is a quick editA weird thing about it is that if I cancel the edit, it won't let me do it again without reloading. I wonder if this is normal or also a recent breakage?editYes, it's broken. Throws me back to page one, the post remains unmodified.Quote from: ataradov on December 09, 2022, 05:20:02 pmActually, what do you mean by that?Selecting a single paragraph before clicking "quote" is something I hoped would work but it never did for me. Maybe a script blocking issuebut I'm not sure.Clicking "quote" on somebody's post works just fine here. Ditto "insert quote" when writing a reply.Quote from: Whales on December 09, 2022, 12:52:28 pmReally? That doesn't look like a great idea, except as a desperate measure to save bandwidth, with correspondingly desperate output quality settings, which would likely avoid the problem you described.Quote from: Whales on December 09, 2022, 12:52:28 pmDo it to images of original size 4032×3024, these are the worst offenders if you know what I meanQuote from: PlainName on December 09, 2022, 01:27:12 pmYes, that was you. Well, that's one mystery less.Actually, I remember that the special behavior of the first upload line had existed at some point in 2020, but I don't remember the drag&drop box. Maybe I'm wrong, though. Maybe the box annoyed me and caused me to block JQuery in the first placeStill, I remember people complaining about attachment reordering and can't help but wonder if it's the same problem that I found, which is really not a serious problem, easy to avoid.editI found one of the old threads about attachment bugs. It definitely is not the problems I found, but something much worse.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/attention-eevblog-admins-attachments-mixup/

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 05:51:28 pm
content: QuoteAt this point even the whole post quote is broken. If I press "Quote" button on the post, I get a white "Loading..." banner on the top and nothing happens.This happens on multiple platforms with completely clean browser profiles with no extensions or adblocks installed.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 06:07:47 pm
content: I only get similar banner when "quick edit" loads. It also appeared with the experimental editor in some specific situations, but I don't remember what they were.Clicking "quote" on your post simply redirects my browser tohttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=4571524;topic=354601.150which brings up full normal editor, with a quote of your post, recent messages at the bottom of the page and so on.Maybe a matter of profile settings? I just tried it on a different browser in incognito. It really works for me.editBy the way, what happens if you simply click this link? I can click it and it brings me to the same place again. I suppose I could write another response that way and it would work just fine.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 07:06:32 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 09, 2022, 05:51:28 pmWorks fine for me. I have a adblocker running, which does not remove the ads on this site, so it is not a good one, but no script blocking. Browser is Firefox 88 on Linux Ubuntu.Quote from: magic on December 09, 2022, 06:07:47 pmSame for the "insert quote" option when making a post.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 07:19:55 pm
content: Hmm forum seems to work perfectly fine here on W10 and Chrome and as someone mentioned the Attachment bug seems now gone.Got brave and used the 1st attachment without issue yesterday.Seems ataradov is having the biggest issues and no one similar so what's radically different with his setup ?Have you tried on different devices, say a phone or tablet ?

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 08:10:10 pm
content: Yes, this is related to the "Use quick reply on topic display:" in the profile settings. There are 3 options. First two redirect to a full page editor. The last one (which I use) normally just populates the quick reply box below the thread with a quoted text. This one is broken now.The first two options do work, but they just redirect to the new page with a full editor.So, from what I can tell any functionality that relies on javascript is broken (quick inline edit and adding the quoted text on the same page).

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 08:17:13 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 09, 2022, 08:10:10 pmJust done at least a couple of Quotes and Insert Quotes, no issues at all....and another just now ! < Edit.W10 and Chrome.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 08:21:55 pm
content: Check in your profile what do you have set for "Use quick reply on topic display:"?There is not even "Insert Quote" on in the interface I'm talking about. When I normally press "Quote" I don't get a redirect to the new page with an editor, the Quick-Reply box below the thread just gets filled with the quote.If I clock "Modify" on the exiting message, I do get a separate "Modify message" page, which also works.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 09:25:49 pm
content: Nailed it, it's quoting to quick reply which is broken. I don't even need to enable quick reply by default to reproduce it, all I have to do is expand the "quick reply" box at the bottom of the page and then click "quote". I get "Loading..." and nothing happens.Quote from: magic on December 09, 2022, 05:42:52 pmCrap, it really does it. So that's why text on one of my recent uploads ended up looking like garbage. Will need to keep it in mind in the future.BTW, that's buggy too, because the reported attachment size is the original file size. Then I download the attachment from the forum and it's different size. At least this makes it easy to find out which attachments have been molested. It started somewhere in late 2020 or early 2021.The attachmenthereis almost 50% larger than I uploaded it, but it was ridiculously compressed in the first place. I sweated to preserve and process it loslessly for that reason, well...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 09:33:35 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 09, 2022, 08:21:55 pmI do but never ever use it. Never.It's there's by default.I guess it saves some tiny amount of online BW not that that worries me with the data plan I'm on.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2022, 10:32:16 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on December 09, 2022, 09:33:35 pmYou do what? This setting has 3 options, and the first two are working as expected. The last one is broken.Quote from: tautech on December 09, 2022, 09:33:35 pmIt is not about BW. I was just reading the forum in chronological order, then I want to reply and I get redirected to a page with posts in a reverse order for no reason.Plus it all worked fine before all the changes.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2022, 12:17:32 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 09, 2022, 10:32:16 pmOh does it, never knew.Quote from: ataradov on December 09, 2022, 10:32:16 pmI guess we all use forums differently, for you it's busted whereas here it's working just fine.My advice is to just document what doesn't work for you and maybe ask others to check on them too so Dave can have a list of things he need watch for fixes.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 10, 2022, 12:31:56 am
content: Posting a snapshot of the profile settings in question also helps immensely, that way there is no confusion and everyone will be on the same page.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2022, 12:32:45 am
content: We can set aside posting issue, since it clearly depends on the configuration and workflow. This issue would be related to the issue with editing your own posts in place. If that's solved, the quoting issue would be solved too.And modify issue is easy to reproduce - just click on the "Modify Message" icon at the bottom left of your own post, do any change and click Save. Your change will be discarded and you will be redirected to the first page of the thread.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2022, 01:23:15 am
content: QuoteThat could be significant - the modify button is upper right for me.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2022, 01:27:04 am
content: Ah! Now I get a modify icon. And that's a right pain to use - can't exit from it, for a start - so I'm glad I've never noticed that before and always use the upper right one

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2022, 01:31:05 am
content: Yeah, but once you get used to it, it is pretty convenient, especially for quick typo fixes.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2022, 02:46:25 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 10, 2022, 01:31:05 amVery, actually and I've used it several times to fix typos already today.But and this is a big but, it offers functionality available nowhere else on the forum.This I mentioned a few posts back with the way that's most convenient to imbed uploaded images within a post.With using the plain Modify button all upload image thumbnails are visible as are each of their filenames which if right clicked and Copy URL selected one can imbed them anywhere within your post between IMG flags of course.The only other way to quickly accomplish such is to have 2 tabs open, one that you've posted with image URL's visible and another to do the embedding edits within.All that needs be done is to have a single IMG flag to Copy/Paste within your post then Copy/Paste image/attachment URL's into them. Once you have this polished it's easy to embed 3 or 4 images before the Edited flag that Muttley despises arises.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2022, 07:52:10 pm
content: I did a bit of poking around and the issue is indeed in JS. The issue is in the filehttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/Themes/default/scripts/topic.js.pagespeed.ce.vP1zvJSlgR.jsThere are many instances of code like thisCode:if (typeof smfpacks_editor !== undefined)sceditor.create($smfpacksEditor('#quick_editor').get(0), getEditorOptions());And the issue is with a comparison "if (typeof smfpacks_editor !== undefined)". In some cases they are using 'undefined' (quoted) and in some cases just plain unquoted undefined.typeof smfpacks_editor is quoted 'undefined', so this comparison is true and it tries to create sceditor, which is not defined.Given the name of the file, I assume it is dynamically generated based on the installed plugins. So either regeneration did not go well or the code is included even if the plugin is installed, but not activated.JS is such a garbage language.And I just tried to manually inject corrected versions of the two broken functions and it all works. This edit is done in an embedded quick editor. So, unless this gets fixed by Dave, injecting custom JS would be a solution.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2022, 11:05:34 am
content: Just FYI, another attachment 20% larger than uploaded; PNGs aren't spared eitherI wonder if it could be pushed to 50~100% with a carefully optimized JPEG.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/lm358-failed-after-30-minutes-and-gets-hot-in-4-20ma-pump-circuit/msg4578568/#msg4578568

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2022, 11:32:02 am
content: Quote from: magic on December 13, 2022, 11:05:34 amThere was a lot of image size manipulation in the TEA thread where probably member menmeth was the master at it.Just been there to find an example of which there are many buried within that monster thread and came back with this one that has the image size embedded a little smaller than just embedding a thumbnail.[ img height=250 ] url link[ /img ] < edited for visibility. Remove any/all spaces.Proportions remained much the same as I believe these tricks autoscale H&W to scale.I believe the units are just the image pixel count but others more knowledgeable might know better.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2022, 12:31:28 pm
content: FYI i can't quote from the quick reply either, it just displays loading forever

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2022, 03:30:39 pm
content: Yes, it is still broken, and it does not look like there any progress in fixing it.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2022, 11:58:53 pm
content: So, I guess the new bugs are not going to be fixed? And then people ask why I oppose random changes like this. Stuff always breaks.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 07:46:37 am
content: Ah, i haven't replied in a number of threads because the quote button doesn't work anymore and i don't want to bother doing it manually.probably for the best?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 10:04:11 am
content: Quote from: JPortici on December 18, 2022, 07:46:37 amDoes with W10 and Chrome.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 12:34:24 pm
content: Doesn't work on firefox, osx and windows 10

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 12:36:28 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on December 18, 2022, 10:04:11 amWhat's wrong with the quote button?

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 02:08:36 pm
content: Quote from: xrunner on December 18, 2022, 12:36:28 pmforever "Loading"

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 03:12:21 pm
content: Perhaps Win 10 issue? I have no problems quoting on iPhone Safari browser, Android Chrome browser, or Win 7 Chrome.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 03:14:39 pm
content: Currently on my macbook, which uses firefox.I suppose chrome is not affected

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 03:26:16 pm
content: Quote from: JPortici on December 18, 2022, 03:14:39 pmNo problem on Ubuntu with FireFox.Maybe some disabled/enabled script issue.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 05:38:43 pm
content: I already described what the issue is (post 169). It is with the site itself, so it would be the same for all platforms/browsers.For everyone that says it works - you are not looking at the right thing. We are specifically talking about the embedded editor that you get by clicking "Modify message" icon under your post, not a big "Modify" button over the post.It is literally a matter of fixing a couple quote marks in the javascript. The issue is fixed with manually injecting the fixed javascript using a browser extension, but this is just stupid.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 05:48:21 pm
content: The way I read it is that JPortici has a different problem.Quote from: JPortici on December 18, 2022, 07:46:37 amI interpret "Not replied due to the quote button not working" as clicking on the regular "Quote" button above someone else's post and enter the normal editor that way. Not using the quick modify editor, where you would have to use the "Insert Quote" button.Edit: Yet he did manage to use a quote in message 179.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 05:56:33 pm
content: There are two issues with the same reason. Editing does not work and quoting does not work either.For quoting we are talking about the same thing - quick reply editor under the thread. This is a forum setting, so if you have it set to open a.new window (with posts sorted in reverse and the editor at the top), then it would work.

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 06:05:22 pm
content: I think we are maybe not talking about the same thing here.Hitting "Quote" with the Quick Reply section at the bottom open behaves differently to when the Quick Reply section is closed.Since closed Quick Reply is the default, i think not many people are even using the feature. I wasn't even aware it existed before this thread came up.Hitting with Quick Reply open gives that "Loading" bar and never does anything. Is Quick Reply closed, it opens the editor in a new page, and the full post is quoted.Latest Firefox on Manjaro for me.EDIT: Too slow

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 06:23:05 pm
content: The quick edit thing is probably off by default. I never changed it, so my setting is from the day I joined the forum.The standard way works fine for me so I will just leave it off.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 07:15:47 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on December 18, 2022, 03:12:21 pmNo. Browser or PC settings issue instead.Sooner of later it will be discovered just what the problem for some is.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 07:19:58 pm
content: Well, this is going in circles. This is a site issue. There is a error in the javascript. It can be easily fixed by adding a few quote marks. It is trivially fixed by injecting correct javascript locally.If you don't have issue quoting, you don't have quick edit editor enabled as shows above. But everyone has an issue with in-line editing.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 09:15:01 pm
content: The forum has changed much over the years and we each have had to too in order to get the best from it.Some are reporting the 1st attachment is still giving problems however it seems load attachments just fine for me however this 1st attachment is never 1st in the thumbnail list but fucking last !So back to how we've used attachments for gawd knows how long now, only using the 2nd attachment and always skipping the first.I don't imagine Dave is going to edit the code in forum plugins/upgrades.If you can find workarounds I recommend you use them and get on with life.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 09:37:59 pm
content: I think the fix is to completely uninstall (as opposed to simply disabling) that halfassed editor. The errors are introduced by leftovers from that editor.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 09:42:57 pm
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on December 18, 2022, 05:48:21 pmbecause it works in the full editorthe issue i'm seeing is in the quick editor, the quote button on the upper right of any post.But i'm not going to go to the full editor to quote a post from three pages earlier, that i have to find in the list of recent replies, which isn't there anyway.Here the quote button has stopped working the moment the quick editor was reverted from new to oldedit: just for kicks, i tried in safari, that i never use because it's a shitty browser, so i don't have ublock installed, or any other plugin. same issue: hit the quote button of upper right of post, forever loading.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 10:15:02 pm
content: Quote from: JPortici on December 18, 2022, 09:42:57 pmThis is odd. I don't get that. How do you quote then?

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 10:21:36 pm
content: You don't get it because you don't have quick reply editor enabled in the forum profile settings. When you press "Quote" you get redirected to a new page with an editor and this works. The issue is with the setting where page remains the same, but the quoted text is added to the quick editor box.This functionality is implemented through javascript that is currently broken.Currently I don't quote at all.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 12:28:01 am
content: QuoteBut I do it all the time. You just go to that post and hit quote. Or mark the bit you want, copy, hit reply then the 'insert quote' button. How is the instant reply thing (at the end of the thread) any simple or quicker? The one time I tried it I found it loathsome - no way out of it if you changed your mind and didn't want to post.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 12:35:59 am
content: Set aside the style of quoting. Everyone has preferences. But inline editing for a quick typo fix is faster and easier. And that is broken too.Plus with the full editor you have to look at that row of stupid animated emotes.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 01:42:39 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 19, 2022, 12:35:59 amWhat's that ?If you use the Modify message button within the post body there are zero emojis.Edit to make changes.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 01:44:21 am
content: There is zero emojis, but it also does not work. It disregards the changes and redirects you to the first page of the thread. That's the whole problem.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 01:52:20 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 19, 2022, 01:44:21 amYes it does foryounot many others of us. See above.I think you might need to rebuild your browser or OS. Try a few other devices.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 01:57:32 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 18, 2022, 10:21:36 pmOh, I see. Yeah, I never used that. To the point that I forgot it even existed. I don't quite see what's the big deal here, but it's a matter of habits. The annoyance is that you get posts in the reverse order when in the normal editor. OTOH, if it helps making fewer posts, we may be better off.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 02:02:49 am
content: I don't see how this is possible because the error is very clear and obvious and it is in the site javascript. There may be two servers serving two different versions of the javascript. But the issue is not on my side. That's for sure.And just to clarify, I mean the edit mode shown in the attachment.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 02:04:59 am
content: The point is that it all worked before the change, then some random change got applied, screwed up everything and nothing...Realistically I don't care. But it might affect other people too.

author: Jackster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 03:06:33 am
content: The only issue I am having is when editing right after posting. I do it a lot as I don't proofread my posts.Looks like I am saving to one database and reading from another when I go to edit. All my changes go.That and the changes I made don't save the first time.Not sure how the SQL is setup here, are we writing to both SQLs or is it some master/slave setup but the replication takes more than 2 seconds?please don't cancel me for using master/slave terminology. I have bills to payQuotes working fine. Might be out of the loop on it all though.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 03:14:50 am
content: The issue is not with the database, it is with the client side javascript. The code that runs when you press "Save" button has a bug in it. you can see it logged in the console in the developer tools. Your changes are never sent to the server. It is a very simple fix.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 06:26:45 am
content: Can confirm, the "quick edit" thing doesn't work. At least, just trying it real quick, it sure doesn't seem like it.I forget it exists too... I always use the Modify button. Maybe because years ago I tried that and it didn't work...The JS bug is identified and obvious; all that needs to be done now is either correcting it locally, or notifying responsible parties so they can push an update (and then updating the forum).Tim

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 01:01:21 pm
content: Quote from: JPortici on December 18, 2022, 07:46:37 amHas always worked fine for me

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 01:07:34 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on December 19, 2022, 01:42:39 amYou guys can see a "Modify" button next to other peoples posts?I thought that was only a Moderator tool that lets us edit other people's messages if needed.The Quote is what you use to reply to and quote a post, and has always worked for me.

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 01:24:40 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 19, 2022, 01:07:34 pmNo, we can't. Or at least i cannotBut again, there is a difference with another somewhat unknown feature. Again i personally was not even aware of this, and only found it just now when looking for it.Hit the "Modify" Button at the top right of your post, and the Editor opens on a new page. This works fine, at least it does for me.But there is also an unlabeled button in the bottom right corner on your posts, directly above the logged IP. Click that, and similar to the Quick Reply window, you can edit your post directly without loading a new page. But after clicking "Save" you are booted to the starting post of the thread, and the change is not saved.EDIT: Added an image of this post, labeling the buttons i'm reffering to.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 01:27:02 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 19, 2022, 01:01:21 pmApparently it is the quick reply that is not working for some, you don't see it when it is disabled in profile settings - look and feel. It's a text entry field that appears below the last post in a thread, you can type your reply there and click the save button. They say that after clicking the save button nothing happens and/or the system hangs. I just tried it and it works fine for me, so ymmvTesting the bottom right 'modify' button... If you can read this it works for me.Yep, the bottom right modify button and the quick reply both work fine for me (W10 & Chrome)

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 01:48:01 pm
content: Quote from: PA0PBZ on December 19, 2022, 01:27:02 pmThat lower right button does not work for me. Like you, i'm on Windows 10 and Chrome as well.It also does not work on an iPad with Safari.It also does not matter if uBlock is enabled or not.I can test Firefox on Manjaro Linux in a couple of hours.EDIT: iPhoneWeird, it works on an iPhone in Desktop View. I would have assumed it would behave the same as the iPad.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 05:16:13 pm
content: OK I turned it on in my profile and I now see the "LOADING" message that never goes away when quoting.Now turning it off like it was.Windoze 11 / Firefox

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2022, 05:28:18 pm
content: QuoteYou are using default forum setting for the editor. This is fine, we can just focus on the in-line editor, which would be broken even for you. This is not affected by any settings.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2022, 06:42:29 am
content: So what exactly do i have to change to get rid of the quick reply which is not working anymore?(by the way, i never changed any forum setting)

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2022, 06:50:45 am
content: There is nothing you can do on your side to get the quick editor back. You can change the setting for the style of the editor, but all that will do is make you go to the full editor every time.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2022, 06:54:51 am
content: Found it!Too bad, i liked using the quick editor.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 09:09:42 pm
content: Quote from: JPortici on December 20, 2022, 06:42:29 amI've never used quick reply, and I've never had a plugin break something else.I can try completely removing the plugin I used, let me try that.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 09:14:00 pm
content: Ok, I've completely removed the SMFPacks WYSIWYG Editor (which was disabled), does it make a difference?(I noticed a difference in the quick edit button, but like I said I never used it, so not sure what the exact problem was)

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 09:21:10 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 23, 2022, 09:14:00 pmYep. That fixed the issue.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 09:22:05 pm
content: Quote from: ataradov on December 23, 2022, 09:21:10 pmSo the plugin didn't really disable itself when you told it too. Nasty bug.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 09:23:48 pm
content: FYI, I notice that SMF version 2.1.13 has been release, and IIRC v2.1.x is supposed to have some UI improvments, including a new editor I think?Should I try the upgrade it in the new year?I'll have to have a look a test forum using it to see what's it like first.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 09:25:45 pm
content: The "disable" was the issue. It disabled itself by setting a variable. The issue was with checking for the value of that variable. It was not observable because it defaulted to the new editor, so when it was enabled, it all worked even though the code was still wrong. When it was disabled, most of the functionality switched to the old one, except for the couple places that still tried to use the new one.Dynamically typed languages are just bad.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 09:29:26 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 23, 2022, 09:23:48 pmNo. (The "new" editor is the buggy one we've just tested.)Later edit:-------------Tested 'quick edit', the change was not applied, and after 'Save' I see the first post from page 1.Not asking to fix the quick edit, only feedback (can use 'Modify' instead).

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 09:49:00 pm
content: Is there a way to annotate members with your own notes? A number of times, I've wish I'd remembered certain things about a member to ask when I see them again.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 10:25:36 pm
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 23, 2022, 09:49:00 pmYou mean, like this?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 11:15:35 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 23, 2022, 09:23:48 pmYeah why not if you have time.Better over the break to try stuff for a day or 2 while many are on holiday.Give us the heads up for when you decide to schedule it.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 11:39:34 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on December 23, 2022, 11:15:35 pmBecause the new SMF version has only the buggy editor we just tested.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2022, 11:53:58 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on December 23, 2022, 11:15:35 pmNo pain no gain as they say ...

author: bill_c
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 01:02:05 am
content: 2 things I would like to see:A button to take you to the new replies since the last time I viewed the thread. Or even a setting to do this by default.A way to hide (or give them a different background color) threads or posts from specific user(s) that I don't want to read. Kinda like my own little shadow ban that doesn't prevent others from seeing them.This place is great and has many helpful members, I glad to be here just looking around.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 02:00:36 am
content: Quote from: bill_c on December 24, 2022, 01:02:05 amThe ignore user feature isn't what you need?https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=lists;sa=ignore;u=631828

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 03:12:41 am
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on December 23, 2022, 11:39:34 pmYes of course but who’s to say the plug-in Dave just pulled wasn’t playing badly with it.

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 03:41:23 am
content: Quote from: bill_c on December 24, 2022, 01:02:05 amIn mobile thats what happens (at least to me). If I click in the arrow on the right of the topic title it goes to the first unread post since I last viewed the thread.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 03:56:05 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 24, 2022, 02:00:36 amYou can Ignore membersorthreads.Members it is done with settings in one's own profile.Threads/Topics you need to ensure your profile is set correctly in order for the Ignore feature to be active.Guidance here from when it was initiated:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 04:27:29 am
content: Quote from: Ian.M on December 04, 2022, 12:15:40 pmWhat a great idea!Also... How about making the default size for embedded youtube videos less huge?

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 11:29:37 am
content: QuoteThere's an existing button. Is that not what you want?

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 02:36:07 pm
content: I just wrote a reply and got doubled-up CRLFs...Anyone else seeing that?Also, ALT+S from the text box is broken..??TimEdit: yeah, see for yourself. Edit doesn't add returns though? ALT+S also broken there.Ed ed: Oh what the fuck, RTF is back but with normal font so I didn't even notice. The text above was pasted but it looked normal on edit.To be clear: there's no indication of it. If I knew which mode I was posting in, I'd use it accordingly. But there's no discoverability.Ed^3: OK I see it, profile default is working now. There's still no good indication of which view you're using, until itbreaksdoes something unexpected, but it seems to confirm the one bug is fixed, which is good.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 03:02:35 pm
content: QuoteStill works for me without shift, btw, but didn't during Dave's experiments.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 03:55:13 pm
content: Hmm, ALT+SHIFT+S doesn't work for me in RTF mode. Only TAB, then ALT+S or ENTER (moves focus out of text box, Post button is next).ALT+S still works fine in plain mode.Tim

author: bill_c
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2022, 02:01:30 am
content: Thanks Ed.Kloonk, tautech, and Dave, just another case of RTFMThis should solve my problem.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 25, 2022, 10:47:00 am
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on December 23, 2022, 11:39:34 pmDoes it?The plugin I installed was a paid third party plugin.https://www.smfpacks.com/wysiwyg/

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2022, 11:48:45 am
content: Hm, still bugs -- when I enable RTF and press Insert Quote on a post visible below, I get the error:Code:Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read properties of null (reading 'pasteHTML')at smc_Editor.insertText (editor.js?fin20:625:15)at onDocReceived (?action=post;num_replies=13:570:381)at oMyDoc.onreadystatechange (script.js?fin20:88:19)Oh nice, editor.js is well formatted and even uses Hungarian notation.Oh, go figure, registerDefaultShortcuts only works on Firefox ("if (is_ff) {..."(lines 1180-1190); theis_*globals appear to be binary flags for browser version, seescript.js?fin20), that's why ALT+S doesn't work.I don't see a reference topasteHTMLanywhere though... is it just completely not implemented??Edit: also, it mangles the code tag when toggling modes.. doesn't look at all like the picture on the link?Tim

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2022, 12:45:27 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 25, 2022, 10:47:00 amNo expert here, I've installed SMF long time ago and only played with it for a week or so. That's how I remember. After upgrade the WYSIWYG editor became the default and it was not possible to revert to the previous (previous == like the EEVblog editor from the last years).If you want and if of any help, I can try to install again a SMF2.0 on a Raspberry Pi, just like I did back then, then put it online and upgrade it to the latest 2.1.xx version to double check how the upgrade behaves.My kind advice would be to test the latest SMF on some other place than on this production EEVblog forum, for just in case. Also seen this in the release notes, old plugins might need to be reinstalled/reconfigured or become incompatible:QuoteQuote fromhttps://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=584230.0I am not very sure what that means. My understanding is that when going from v2.0 to v2.1, any EEVblog customization will require to reinstall/reconfigure.No idea if any of the bugs fixed by v2.1 are now a problem for EEVblog. Usually I push for don't fix what is not broken. I wouldn't dare to apply the upgrade on the production forum without testing the upgrade on a copy first. V2.1.3 is only a couple of months old, so it might have unknown bugs. Either way, I wish the best for the forum and for you, too.Happy New 2023 Year, and a big thank you for keeping the EEVblog up and running, and for inspiring so many others to pursue electronics.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2022, 02:12:09 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 25, 2022, 10:47:00 amMemories slowly come back. The editor you bought was at first free, then the plugin was removed from SMF repositories and became payed. The plugin is an open source project called SCEditor, and somebody packed it nicely together with some SMF install scripts, then sold it as a payed SMF plugin for SMF2.0, the one you bought.However, starting from SMF2.1 the SCEditor (like the one you bought for SMF2.0) became now the default editor, for free of course. I've double checked my foggy memories, and indeed the editor change is mentioned in the SMF2.1 release:https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=580585.0Quote

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2022, 09:57:52 am
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on December 25, 2022, 02:12:09 pmMaybe it's actually better. Has anyone been on a forum that moved from 2.0 to 2.1?