anyone done a serious eval of the FFT display on the Rigol DS1052E? - Page 1
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author: slburris
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2010, 04:06:51 am
content: I'm wondering if anyone has done any serious testing of the FFT displayon their Rigol? I've searched EEVBlog and RCGroups looking to see if someonehas tested, but I haven't found anything.I could feed it a square wave and look for the odd harmonics, but I don'tthink I'm equipped to do any real testing. I figure someone out there hasstuff that can produce more interesting displays and a genuine spectrumanalyzer to compare the Rigol against.Anyone up for doing some tests and letting us know how the Rigol performs?Scott

author: joelby
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2010, 04:37:54 am
content: I've tried using it a little bit, but find that it is pretty much a toy. If you have a spectrum analyser, there is almost no reason to use the FFT function. I found it difficult to interpret the horizontal and vertical scales, and missed having peak detection and markers.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2010, 12:48:29 pm
content: When I am interested in FFT data from such a low-end instrument I usually copy captured data to the PC and process it on the PC. There are plenty of math programs for PCs which can do FFT, and allow all sorts of calculations and display.The only tricky part is usually to get the data to the PC in a readable, non-proprietary format.

author: slburris
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timestamp: November 01, 2010, 01:33:07 pm
content: Quote from: shafri on November 01, 2010, 04:11:48 amFor a moment there I thought I had some Agilent equipment I had forgotten about :-)I still waiting for someone to tell me they have an extra LeCroy WaveRunner they wantto give me!Scott

author: jahonen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2010, 03:58:06 pm
content: My opinion has been for a some time that scope FFT is usually good only for signals that you know beforehand, regardless of the scope price point. Due to aliasing and other issues, real spectrum analyzer beats it hands down. I wouldn't even try comparing my Agilent MSO6034A FFT to my Rohde&Schwarz FSV7, the difference is so big when things get serious.For coarse sanity check, you can use Fourier series to calculate approximate amplitudes of harmonics of square wave. For example, 50% duty cycle, and 5 Vpp square (amplitude 2.5V), the fundamental frequency peak should be at 4*2.5/pi = 3.18 Vpeak, or 2.25 V RMS. 3rd harmonic should then be at 1/3 of this value etc. I don't know if Rigol FFT is supposed to show RMS values.Conventional spectrum analyzer works just like a superheterodyne radio receiver. Spectrum analyzers use nowadays FFT, but since signal is bandlimited, no aliasing occurs. Sensitivity and dynamic range are also usually much better. Typical dynamic range is something like 80 dB and sensitivity goes down to microvolts. Downside of spectrum analyzer is that input is not so abuse-proof than scope. You can destroy the input mixer with too large input signal or DC voltage. Also, the frequency range typically begins around 10 kHz, but with special options, you can get downto something like 20 Hz.Typical use for a spectrum analyzer for me is to measure the cleanliness of digital circuits (less noise means better layout) and switch mode power supplies and of course, diagnosing EMI problems. EMI problems also usually require logarithmic frequency axis to have sensible display due to wide bandwidth. With a tracking generator, spectrum analyzer can be used to check high frequency response of power supply decoupling etc.One application is that you can look at your oscillator signal with a very narrow bandwidth, just to check if your power supply noise modulates the oscillator (any signal produces sidebands around the oscillator main signal). See the attached screenshots for some measurements I have made with the FSV7. Perhaps one can judge from them how the scope FFT would work with these.Regards,Janne

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2010, 08:59:21 pm
content: Awesome, jahonen! Great post.