Comparative analysis of the cost to buy and power an EV, Hybrid and ICE - Page 1
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author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 27, 2022, 10:00:26 pm
content: Comparative analysis of the cost to buy and power an EV, Hybrid and ICE.There's Volt in Canada which has 500,000 miles and no reported battery degradation.

author: f4eru
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2022, 09:05:04 pm
content: This calculation is totally bogus for a lot of reasons.1) Those MPG numbers are just wrong, because based on official consumption figures, which are just plain wrong, and definitely much much more skewed for ICE. Like a factor of sometimes nearly 2x2) Getting the FSD in the Tesla is really unfair, the other both vehicles don't have FSD. -> -12000 to be fair.3) Getting the LR is unfair, it's a vehicle with 3 times the horsepower than both the toyota. Use the SR+ as a fair comparison, with a base price of extrapolated 50 000 if it was available in the US today. It's available in the rest of the world.... (and it is up 25% from last year, while the Rav4 are probably not so much inflation adjusted).4) Various incentives are not taken into account. Depending on your location. All in favor of the EV.5) The Tesla has many many equipments on the base model that are optional on the Toyota, and to be fair need to be factored in when comparing price.6) Tesla is still a high end "halo" brand, and some more basic EVs should be added to the comparison instead, like a Kona, or other high end "halo" branded ICE as a counterpart.7) Maintenance cost is totally absent from the calculation. Come on Scotty, you know a thing or two on car maintenance to not skip it's cost. Favors the EV heavily.Resell value is absent. If you calculate from new to 6 years, you should absolutely factor in resell value. Resell value for any ICE 6 years from now will be pretty much zero, IMHO, if not even negative in some places.... In any case, favors the EV heavily, especially with Tesla....Real mileage numbers in average use, recorded by people daily driving are:- 19kWh/100km for the Tesla- Rav4 gas : 5,46 l/100km -> 43mpg (probably includes too many wrongly classified hybrids, if we change to 2018-2020 it's more like 6,91liter -> 34 MPG)- Rav4 hybrid : 6,13l/100km -> 38,4mpghttps://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/49-Toyota/440-RAV_4.html?fueltype=2&constyear_s=2021&constyear_e=2023&sort=1&powerunit=2I kind of like Scotty for the good tips on repair, but he got too much on the click bait and embedded advertising side in the last years...."Study shocks the entire industry"... Yeah. Nope.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2022, 01:12:07 pm
content: Another benefit of hybrids that is often overlooked is not having to stop at gas stations as often. Even more so for plug in hybrids. Pure EVs never have to stop at gas stations but they do have to spend more time at public charging stations on longer trips, that's why I say at present, plug in hybrid is the best of both worlds.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2022, 05:33:29 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on October 29, 2022, 01:12:07 pmNo. Cars are fitted with fuel tanks that typically allow for a range between 600km to 900km. If the engine is more efficient, the car will have a smaller tank so in the end you'll have to refuel just as often.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2022, 05:57:43 pm
content: I think he’s a bit off on this one as well. I liked and agreed with his earlier video, but slowly stated to disagree with his conclusion. THere’s no mention of maintenance costs, resale vale or battery life.I have a Volt and would defiantly buy another. But GM stooped making them. In my opinion this is the perfect transition car to move from ICE to EV.Having owned a Volt for over 3 years, I have only spent $70 in maintenance costs for one oil change. And I just replaced the tires, and found I had to pay a premium of $300 for LR tires. Other the oil change, tires and a trip to the gas stations every 2 to 3 months ores so the Volt has been a great car.Funny when it comes to EV’s no one seems to mention they need LRR tires and mileage. If you don’t buy LRR tires you mileage decreases (from what I have read) by 30%. And all of the “expert sales folks” at the tire shops don’t seem to know this. Image buying an EV with a 300 mile range and getting a new set of tires and it’s only 200 miles. I can see owners saying this it due to battery degradation when in fact it’s because of the tires. Why is it no one has mentioned this?.I would like to buy a EV truck, but not sure I trust Rivian and all of the Ford dealers in my are charging $20k to $40K over MSRP. And this is after the Pres of Ford told them to knock it off. So screw Ford.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2022, 07:44:22 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on October 29, 2022, 05:33:29 pmHybrids have a much bigger advantage in the city than on the highway, so if you drive a lot in the city, it does indeed mean refueling much less often.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2022, 07:56:11 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on October 30, 2022, 07:44:22 pmI owned two volts, and there are times when I haven't been to a gas stations for months. I've got a friend who has a Volt and he's told me there are times when he hasn't been to a gas station for six months or more. Between charging at home and finding free or paid charging stations I rarely use the gas engine. Battery range on my Volt is about 70 in the summer and drops to 40 in the winter. Most of my daily trips are 100 miles are less. I will say I do like the gas engine for out of town trips. Living in California that means trips of 2 - 6 hours or 150 - 400 miles. In my Volt 400 miles = Full charge + all of the gas in the tank.