Where's Intel 15th gen  ? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: MathWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 10:42:14 am
content: Isn't Intel supposed to be launching new desktop chips ? I've looked for a few minutes, and I just see a few articles from mid-October, that said they were due out by the end of Oct.I checked youtube, and there wasn't much there for "intel 15th gen", and the results were so frustrating, I gave up. IDK, maybe no one cares about next gen intel. Between all the ads, and the lame search results this year, I'm getting bored with youtube.I just have the upgrade itch, so I'm hoping to snag a used 14900k, or see what the new chips are like.

author: DutchGert
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 11:14:50 am
content: under what rock you have been living?https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Intel+Core+Ultra+9+285K&ia=webTLDR: Its not so good chip.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 04:25:27 pm
content: Did Intel solve the issues with the 13th and 14th gen processors in the mean time? (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/general-computing/intel-seems-to-be-bleeding-out/)I'm also thinking of building a newer gaming PC, but I will probably go for a 12th generation I7 or I9.

author: Ice-Tea
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 04:40:56 pm
content: And no AMD platform.... because?

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 04:55:07 pm
content: Quote from: pcprogrammer on December 01, 2024, 04:25:27 pmYes. Intel forced the mainboard manufacturers to properly set default values so that the CPUs are not in danger anymore.They are also somewhat slower with these default values. Which is why these unsafe values even came to be.The new generation is rather mediocre.I think this is due to more conservative power planning as to not repeat the disaster. And due to a more secure design, avoiding Specte and Rowhammer style attacks.For a gaming PC, i think at the moment there is no way around an AMD x3D CPU. They are beasts for gaming. Even the older generations beat similar Intel CPUs by a lot.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 07:40:09 pm
content: Quote from: Ice-Tea on December 01, 2024, 04:40:56 pmNo real reason. I have always bought Intel before and they suited me fine.Quote from: Ranayna on December 01, 2024, 04:55:07 pmSo with tweaking, which is not something I'm into, one might risk running into the danger zone again?Quote from: Ranayna on December 01, 2024, 04:55:07 pmI have not followed the development on modern PC for quite a while and just found out through this thread that there even is a new generation.Quote from: Ranayna on December 01, 2024, 04:55:07 pmMy current machine is used for both MCU development (strictly hobby) and gaming, but I want to separate those two. (Dual boot, Linux and Windows 10)I have an I5-10400 with 32GB of RAM and a while back I added a Nvidia RTX4060, which really improved the gaming experience, but gives problems under Linux when I'm only using one of the two monitors connected to the system. Mainly seen when browsing with Firefox. A maybe 5% - 10% high band on the top of the screen flickers between full black and the actual image. Did things with the driver and it looked like it was solved, but lately it reappeared, but only when one of the two monitors is switched off.Any suggestions on an AMD CPU with a comparable price/performance to a I7-12700KF?

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 07:50:41 pm
content: Quote from: Ice-Tea on December 01, 2024, 04:40:56 pmTell me which AMD CPU you would prefer instead of an Intel I'm sure we'll come up with at least one more reason other than "it's not Intel"

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2024, 08:56:15 pm
content: Quote from: DimitriP on December 01, 2024, 07:50:41 pmFor gaming, nothing comes past the 9800x3D at the moment. And AMD fully well knows this, as it is rather expensiveBut i'm curious: Which Intel CPU would you suggest instead, and more importantly, why?

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 12:16:43 am
content: Quote from: Ranayna on December 01, 2024, 08:56:15 pm"for gaming" "currently", sure , as long as it's "for gaming"As far as a machine that is used for "other things" , my current favorites are still 12700K , 13900KS, 14900K.Depending on what motherboards and RAM I have laying around.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 01:12:13 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on December 02, 2024, 12:16:43 amAnd? You asked for a reason - that's a valid one. People use computers for gaming and AMD absolutely kick the stuffing out of Intel at every turn in that market.They also happen to be very competitive in other tasks, and generally far more power efficient. But hey, Intel are king if you don't bother to look at alternatives.

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 01:20:13 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on December 02, 2024, 12:16:43 amI bought a Lenovo i9-13900HX laptop in February (cheap, as the 14900 ones were already available) and I'm very very happy with it. The same machine was available with a Ryzen 9 7945HX instead (though not at such a big discount). Internet research seemed to indicate that the AMD was very slightly faster on things that used all cores all the time, but the i9 slightly faster on more bursty loads, such as my typical software builds that alternate between using fewer than 8 cores (more like 1-4) and things than can use 100 cores if you've got 'em. But very little in it either way.I was traditionally a 68k/PPC guy, but I bought a run-out price HP Pentium Pro 200 server specifically to run Linux. After that I went through K6-2, Athlon XP 700, 1800+, 3200+ before switching to Core 2 Duo, i7-860, i7-4790K, i7-6700K and then back to AMD with the 32 core 2990WX (better and much cheaper than the 18 core i9-7980XE).I still use the 6 year old 2990WX sometimes but the 13900 laptop is faster at absolutely everything (and much faster at low thread count), uses 1/4 the energy at idle and 1/3 at full power, and weighs 20 kg less and fits in a briefcase.In short: I'll get whatever of AMD and Intel looks best at the time, leaning towards AMD if the price & performance are similar. I'll eagerly switch to Arm or (preferably) RISC-V when they hit this core count and speed at a good price. The new M4 Mac Minis look attractive for a desktop-and-take-to-other-desktops machine ... but don't run Linux natively. But I'm ok with a VM/docker. Maybe a 16 core M4 Max MacBook Pro if I win the lottery :-)

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 02:41:24 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on December 02, 2024, 01:12:13 amAnd? Where did I dissagree? One trick pony "in that market". Glad we are on the same page.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 02:47:36 am
content: QuoteThere are FPS junkies, and single thread speed junkies.( ok, there are case color scheme junkies", rgb junkies, water cooling junkies and the list goes on but that's a subject for another thread)I'll bet on single thread speed any day unless it's a machine built just "for gaming"

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 03:52:57 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on December 02, 2024, 02:47:36 amIt's kind of crazy that the fans run the harder with one core running at 5.4 GHz than with 24 cores running at 3.9 GHz ... but Amdahl's law. That's where the 24 core i9 gains on the Threadripper with 4.2 GHz maximum. Plus a nearly 30% improvement in IPC, ending up 1.6x faster on e.g. my Primes benchmark.

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 05:53:09 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on December 02, 2024, 02:47:36 amAh, so you're an Apple fan-person?

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 10:06:13 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on December 02, 2024, 02:41:24 amHardly a one-trick pony, but it was obvious where you stand to begin with.

author: IdahoMan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 10:13:59 am
content: And: Where are these CPUs (AMD or Intel) made?

author: MathWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2024, 10:54:08 am
content: Ok I did look for i7-15700k, but I never noticed the name change, and never found them under i7,i9 on Newegg.I have a z690 mobo, so I can upgrade to a 14th gen CPU. I haven't had an AMD CPU for over a decade, but I know they are good lately. If selling used stuff wasn't a headache, I might consider jumping ship. Maybe next time I do a system upgrade, but for now I'm still using DDR4 too.I really love my computers, and I always feel I never get to know them good enough, before selling them. But at least I haven't had a CPU/mobo/ram failure for years now.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2024, 12:55:22 am
content: Quote from: MathWizard on December 02, 2024, 10:54:08 amWhich CPU and motherboard are you currently using and how much DDR4 RAM do you have installed ?And... is this your one and only machine ?

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2024, 09:00:29 pm
content: Quote from: DimitriP on December 02, 2024, 02:47:36 amMost "games" used to be single-thread, and I bet many still are. Of course, even in that case multi-cores are better because the "OS" isn't part of "the game", but it seems to be a fallacy that "games" benefit more than "non-games" from multi-cores.What's with the scare quotes? Afraid you'll be tainted if you use proper words?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2024, 12:52:39 am
content: Quote from: DutchGert on December 01, 2024, 11:14:50 amThe 15th gen is the "Ultra" series, right?It didn't look too bad. Probably overhyped, but the performance looks decent and from what I've seen, prices have been lowered. So that's still not a bad deal.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2024, 01:26:11 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 05, 2024, 12:52:39 amYou must be one of those "rest of the people" that don't produce "builds" of gaming machines , don't have an "audience" and you don't say "please like and subscribe" a lot (and maybe your RAM doesn't glow either).

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2024, 01:34:24 am
content: RGBs are the most important part of a build!

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2024, 01:37:25 am
content: Quote from: brucehoult on December 06, 2024, 01:34:24 amLOL

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2024, 02:13:14 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on December 06, 2024, 01:26:11 amThat's right, my RAM is some plain-looking DDR4 ECC harvested from a decommissioned server.

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2024, 07:47:50 am
content: Every couple of years i build a new PC, explicitly with gaming as a main usecase.But in contrast to the mainstream gamer prejudice, i don't really care about the looks of the machine.If i can get a component without RGB, or even without superfluous LEDs, i will take that. Sometimes that even means paying moreIf i can't get something without lights, or the price difference is too large, i at least try to turn off as many LEDs as possible.I generally do not care how the box looks on the inside. I do the bare minium for "neat-ish" cable management so that no loose cables can touch fan blades, but thats it.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2024, 08:07:13 am
content: Quote from: Ranayna on December 06, 2024, 07:47:50 amYep, for me it is also about the gaming experience and not some flashing or color changing light setup next to the monitor or below the desk.Not a "professional" gamer so also not to worried about high performance, which cost you an arm and a leg. Shaved of almost 100 euro on what I might get, by changing back from an I7-12700KF to an I5-12600KF. The performance difference is not that big according to thishttps://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-12700KF-vs-Intel-Core-i5-12600KF/m1699429vsm1700734.

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2024, 01:31:06 pm
content: Quote from: brucehoult on December 06, 2024, 01:34:24 amHaha, I now have built a RGB computer, even with flashy RAM sticks.But that really was more like an accident, because I wanted water cooling - that cooler from ebay came with a display, RGB fans and controller, the case I stored away for quite some time had those (same as the cooler) RGB fans in it, adding RGB sticks from ebay ws the next logical step. It was more like "cheap on ebay, so why not" after all.I find it somewhat entertaining, though don't really care.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2024, 02:31:21 pm
content: Not much yet:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_Lake_(microprocessor)And nothing about LGA1700 Bartlett Lake.