Keysight eBay store - Page 1
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author: wreeve
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 06:52:03 pm
content: Just wondering if anyone has purchased from the Keysight eBay store. Most items are "offer"; what do they usually accept; 10, 20% off?

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 07:09:21 pm
content: Got a link to their eBay store? Is it official?

author: JackP
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 07:13:50 pm
content: It is certainly official, you can reach it via a link from the keysight.com website (used and premium used)

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 07:14:03 pm
content: Quote from: TheAmmoniacal on July 18, 2015, 07:09:21 pmThere is official Keysight store on ebay. For a quiet long time actually.http://stores.ebay.com/Keysight

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 07:21:18 pm
content: Ah, thanks! Never caught my attention before, also seems to be way above my paygrade.

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 07:28:24 pm
content: Someone I know fairly well got a scope from the online store. Their service was superb but him living in one of the smaller European countries caused some customs problem. The mistake was their's but it was understandable. Since there have been three separate delays, he got three options for free after asking. He had convinced them to go down 20% in their listed price to begin with. All in all VERY favourable.

author: jpb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 08:47:46 pm
content: I bought an Agilent 33522A from the store after they accepted my discounted offer. I'd been watching the store for months and had a reasonable idea as to what they'd take having made a few offers that were too low and also having looked at the prices that things actually went for.They provide good service (though they messed up my delivery initially by telling me it was already delivered when it wasn't but it was soon sorted out).You need to be careful though, there are two classes of products - premium used which come with warranty and normal used which don't. My 33522A was used so there was only a few days warranty but I decided it was worth the risk.Also some items are bargains - especially some premium used items - but others are really rather expensive, make sure you do research first.As a rough idea I suggest that you take off the VAT for your first offer, e.g. divide by 1.2. This will probably be too low but close enough for them to come back with a counter offer.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2015, 09:18:14 pm
content: I bought several items from them in the past few years.Instead of making them an offer, I suggest you send them an email and ask what the lowest price is, which they would accept.They are very fair and will work with you.Then you submit the offer and it will be accepted right away.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 02:16:18 pm
content: FWIW my very recent experience on a Keysight used scope (as opposed to manufacturer refurbished) was the following:Code:BIN price $6,483.50Offer 1 $5,600.00 (-13.6% T-9 days)Counter offer $6,165.00 (-5% T-9 days, automated response < 2 mins after Offer 1 placed)Offer 2 $5,800.00 (-10.5% T-8 days, accepted about 18 hours later.For shipping to the UK, shipping itself is free from Malaysia, but they add on 20% VAT and present you with a Keysight UK VAT invoice. They use a process called "Incoterm DDP" for import for the UK so VAT is payable up front, and they present the total including the VAT when you go to pay.

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 02:29:25 pm
content: +1 Ebay Keysight store is just a bless.

author: I4E
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 02:52:58 pm
content: Do you have to pay them via Ebay or can you pay via wire transfer?

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 03:42:31 pm
content: Quote from: I4E on July 20, 2015, 02:52:58 pmThey have a pretty good FAQ herehttp://stores.ebay.com/keysight/FAQ.htmlwhich I found answered most of my questions, but I only found it after having directly asked a couple already. Doh! Thankfully they were patient with me.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 04:27:09 pm
content: Quote from: I4E on July 20, 2015, 02:52:58 pmThe interesting part is, that I always got an Invoice from them in US $ and I made a wire transfer in US $ and then I got a real German invoice from Keysight Germany with a German Tax ID in such a way, that I can claim the VAT.Real good and perfect setup.And it worked every time, I ordered from them.

author: I4E
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 04:42:13 pm
content: Thanks I didn't see the FAQ section.

author: LaurentR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 05:09:48 pm
content: I have been browsing the store for a while and I wonder in general what's really worth buying there as far as general-use items for the (rich) hobbyist to starting pro.The 33522B (they seem to have piles of those - wondering from where) or the (rarer) 33521B seem to be good deals, although the pro version of the sw is $766 is not discounted.What else?Maybe the counters (good discount, but pricey)?They seem to have some really nice scopes in the 3-8k range, some with heavy discounts, although I am not sure which are really "modern" (e.g. deep memory) and worth the money.Strangely, they have also started selling some new items (like the power supplies) at retail prices and they don't seem to be (officially) taking offers on those...

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 05:33:04 pm
content: Quote from: LaurentR on July 20, 2015, 05:09:48 pmMy pet theory regarding the new PSUs in the Keysight store is that they sell those to put a dent in the eBay drop shippers, who sell the very same models at excessively high prices.

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 05:36:42 pm
content: Just recently bought a scope from them on there. Was happy with the quick service they gave me and you can expect to get up to 20% off if you do it right.All the scopes they sell are good modern scopes. I have had a 6000 series scope for quite a few years now and they are pretty much the same as the new X3000 stuff, while you dont get quite a milion wafeforms per second its not far off and you get even more memory. If you can pick up one of those cheep i would highly recommend it.

author: jpb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 06:27:45 pm
content: Quote from: LaurentR on July 20, 2015, 05:09:48 pmThe counters are quite expensive now compared with what they were. They are still cheaper than other ebay sellers I think. I was looking to buy a counter and they seemed to price the options at almost zero (those with lots of options were not much more than those with none) but these bargains went very quickly. I ended up buying a refurbished one from Tektronix which was quite a bit cheaper (though not such good specs) and also came with a 3 year warranty whereas the Keysight ones essentially have no warranty.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2015, 09:14:22 pm
content: Quote from: Berni on July 20, 2015, 05:36:42 pmI spent quite some time looking. I missed out on a 7104A last week going for £2,850 ($4,450) BIN price on eBay (not Keysight store), I was tempted but thought better of it after speaking with the seller, something didn't quite add up, it looked like this was the third attempt at selling the same scope from their history, although he said he'd had three to sell over the previous eight weeks or so.This piqued my interest a good deal.If you look at the pricing of the old (but still current) 6000A/7000B, for a roughly comparable model it's higher than all the newer Windows CE scopes including the new 6000 X series.I note that all the Windows CE UIs are not only limited to 800 horizontal pixels (the 6000A/7000B is 1024) but they seem to be permanently limited in the waveform display to about 640 pixels (1000 for the old 6000/7000).I am pretty sure that the old 6000/7000 is due to be pensioned off very soon. There seem to be a few deals on the Keysight store on them. The 6000 is looking slightly tired these days despite its capabilities.I'd be interested on how useful the new touch screens are in a practical sense, and how they compare to a more conventional knob and button layout. One of the mistakes on UI design on TE in my view was to become too dependent on menu systems in lieu of having a reasonable set of knobs. If you look at the average car dashboard these days, there's a ton of buttons and knobs because the driver doesn't want to be fannying around being sidetracked from the primary mission by some menu system invented by a dev guy in a dark room in a basement.Plus, if you're investing in a bit of TE with a five figure price tag, you're entitled to a reasonably large complement of switches and knobs. And flashing lights too would be nice.

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 06:13:48 am
content: Yeah the 6000 series is showing its age. While it might be still more than good spec wise it has a tiny screen (Dimension wise, resolution wise beats a lot of todays scopes) and a huge full depth case that takes up a ton of space if you don't have a dedicated equipment shelf on your workbench.I was buying mine right when agilent introduced the x2000 and x3000 series. Those ware actually quite expensive for the higher bandwidth models and then i found a great deal on a MSO6034A. Loved the scope ever since with its lightning speed. Boots up in about 10 seconds and the only button that doesn't do its thing literally on the next frame of the 60fps display is the save screenshot button.These days you might actually be able to score a used x3000 for a good price. Then again the new Rigol is awfully tempting if you are in the market for a cheep but decent scope.If you spot a good deal on there store go for it. Typically the stuff with no warranty goes cheaper, if it might be discontinued it might also help, but yeah some stuff they sell is just plain overpriced so do your research.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 08:14:41 am
content: I'd disagree that the 6000 is that much behind the current state of the art, and in some respects it's better (8M vs. 4M, higher screen res).I've never found the small screen an issue, (though people with poorer eyesight might), and in some ways it's an advantage as it leaves plenty of panel space, e.g. for knobs-per-channel while keeping overall size sensible.A used DSO6034a, hacked for MSO and all the options is probably still the most scope you can get for the money in that performance class.Probably the only thing I find annoying is the lack of press-to-zero on the delay time knob.BTW I believe the only reason it wasn't discontinued when the 3000 came out was that it offered the internal battery option.

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 09:42:20 am
content: Oh yes the number of times i wished for a "press to zero" function on the horizontal timebase position knob.Another feature that also annoys me is that pushing the single shot button with trigger set to auto basically just captures the waveform at that moment you push it instead of actually waiting for a trigger.(I know its supposed to work like that but i find it useless) I think all Agilent scopes do that

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 10:07:56 am
content: There is an Agilent DSO6014A right now on ebay italy for sale for EUR 2.299,00It seems to be a good price.http://www.ebay.de/itm/Oscilloscope-Agilent-DSO6014A-100-MHZ-2-GS-a-s-4-Ch-Oscilloscopio-/111699445448?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_101&hash=item1a01ce46c8Also, on the Keysight ebay site, you can find some good 7000b Series scope for real reduced prices.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 11:11:18 am
content: Quote from: Berni on July 21, 2015, 09:42:20 amSomething that's always puzzled me is that AFAIK no scope lets you set the timeout for auto trigger mode.Auto in single-shot isn't entirely useless. Single mode gives you twice the memory depth as it's not double-buffering.

author: I4E
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 12:33:56 pm
content: I think if it's an older unit you might find a better price at a refurbished used test equipment dealer. I don't know about their refurbishments but I know the repairs they sub-contract some out to other companies. I worked for a company once who repairs for Agilent... well when it was called Agilent.I know it's Keysight, but I just can't seem to break the habbit of saying Agilent.It looks like they have some good deals on some of the higher end equipment. I wouldn't have guessed you could buy off the ebay store . I just assumed you had to buy from the local location which seems to me is actually more expensive than buying off their shop.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 12:56:28 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on July 21, 2015, 08:14:41 amThat is correct.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 01:15:06 pm
content: Here's a comparison of prices I made for current non full fat Windows 1GHz models up to the 6000 X.*edit: correction, 3000T have 4Mpts standard.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 01:37:28 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on July 21, 2015, 01:15:06 pmSomehow, I expected the 4000X series to have the same resolution as the 7000B series, since they both have the 12.1" screen.What were they thinking?May be they used the same software of the 3000X series and just did not adapt?That is at least one reason, for not buying the 4000X scope.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 04:39:30 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on July 21, 2015, 01:37:28 pmI agree, and not only that, but the screen real estate that there is is reduced by a further 20% because the right hand side of the 3000/4000/6000X displays always feature non-waveform display functions, or blank space, limiting the horizontal resolution to only about 640 pixels, compared to 1000 pixels, i.e. almost the entire width, on the 6000(non-X) and 7000.With the substantial discounts and often reasonably priced second hand ebay deals we're seeing on the 6000(non-X) and 7000, it makes these scopes based on a decade-old design a very favourable proposition. (The 6000A was first announced in Feb 2005, the 7000A in Feb 2008, and 7000B Mar 2010).I guess that's why I'm interested in how people find the touch screen and gesture controls to deal with compared to the traditional knob-and-switch UI.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 07:09:08 pm
content: I have an MSO7104A myself for a couple of months. I noticed I'm not blowing up signals to the full height of the screen to get a good look at a signal due to the large screen. On the downside there are many things hidden in submenus so reading the manual is mandatory. I had to open a support ticket and send quite a few e-mails back & forth to figure out the trigger level adjust is used to set the threshold for serial decoding using the analog channels.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 07:53:24 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on July 21, 2015, 01:15:06 pmit feels like bullying when you compare their memory depth to the rigol ds2000 series' 56M or even their base 14M.I think agilent/keysight skimped way too much on memory on the 4000X series, let alone the 6000X series.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 08:05:56 pm
content: I wouldn't be so sure about that. The Agilent scopes just work and can do something meaningfull with all that memory.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 08:20:08 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 21, 2015, 08:05:56 pmI realize their segmented memory is excellent, but I feel as though it wouldn't have killed them to give the 4000 and 6000 series more memory than their lower end variants.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 09:09:39 pm
content: My understanding is that the memory limitation is to do with the Megazoom ASICs. I'm not sure why the designers imposed this limitation, the memory depth has been around 4 to 8Mpt since the Megazoom II of 13 or so years ago.What I would say though is that the VxWorks based UI on the older (non-X) scopes is an absolute joy to use compared to the Rigol. While the Rigol's by no means a disaster, it's just that the Agilent design was really very good, being both intuitive and super responsive. I can't comment on how this compares to the Windows CE UI on the newer X series scopes as I've yet to try one.The question might otherwise be, how much memory is enough? It's a bit of a "how long is a piece of string" question. But yes, the 4Mpt max on the Megazoom IV X-series scopes does seem rather small these days.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 09:53:25 pm
content: I must say I only occasionally find the 8M memory on the 6000 limiting.It really helps to understand the factors that can maximise it though - e.g. using ch 1+3 instead of 1+2 for 2 channels, normal vs. peak mode, and in some cases single vs continuous acquisition

author: GlowingGhoul
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2015, 11:01:50 pm
content: Keysight 3104T, like all 3000T scopes comes with 4mpts standard.

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2015, 05:57:09 am
content: Yeah the 8M of memory is plenty.The reason why they have so little memory is because the RAM is inside the MegaZoom ASIC. This is likely part of the reason why these scopes are so fast. You cant even set how much memory to use since the scope always uses all of it. Unlike the typical Rigols it does not slow down any when using deep memory.It might be nice if they added some large external DDR3 memory that you could switch to when you didn't need speed. But then again i love the simplicity of not needing to worry about memory at all. Its rare you would need like 100M points anyway (Can anyone give an example why you might need it?).Some of the scopes in that keysight ebay store have like 1G points of memory if you need it, but its going to cost you a pretty penny.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2015, 06:21:46 am
content: Quote from: GlowingGhoul on July 21, 2015, 11:01:50 pmThanks, I've added a text correction to the original post.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2015, 06:32:31 am
content: Quote from: Berni on July 22, 2015, 05:57:09 amWhile it would be nice to be able to tailor memory use, given the choice for day to day use the way it's implemented in the Infiniivision/Magazoom series of scopes makes them super quick to use.I have an Infiniium 54831D with 128Mpts and it's pretty handy for very long serial streams for example. However you have to manually set up the acquisition parameters if you're hoping to get anything sensible out of it. This has its pros and cons, it makes it flexible, but it's time consuming to tune it for each application. What's more the serial decoder won't accept any more than 32Mpts anyway. For deep memory serial decoding the UI will hang for some time if you haven't been careful with you acquisition settings, something you need to get used to, but it does force you to learn how to use the scope properly and understand better how it works!For day to day work I use the 54642D, the Megazoom II forerunner to the 6000 series with a similar VxWorks UI... once the 7104B I ordered arrives that might be changing.Edit: corrected typo

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2015, 09:54:33 am
content: Quote from: Howardlong on July 22, 2015, 06:32:31 amAh nice upgrade there. Same UI in that case.I recently dished out for a DSO9204H. I am hoping it could replace my 6000 series. I know the UI is not going to be as nice or as fast, but perhaps i can live with it. If it ends up being too cumbersome i can still hold on to my trusty old 6000 to do general troubleshooting with.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2015, 12:48:32 pm
content: Quote from: Berni on July 22, 2015, 09:54:33 amI'd be interested to know how you get on. There are some good deal on those Windows scopes in comparison. I tend to find that the UI on the full fat Windows XP on the 54831D boat anchor I use to be a bit of a donkey compared to the VxWorks UI on the 54642D, so for daily use it's the 54642D that gets most used by quite a margin. Once booted, the Windows UI is OK, and being able to fiddle with files directly on the scope itself, or as a shared folder accessed from another PC is useful.I guess it's like comparing a microwave to a traditional oven: the traditional oven can do everything the microwave can plus a bit more, but for a lot of things the microwave's just more convenient.Edit: corrected typo

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2015, 05:05:31 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on July 22, 2015, 12:48:32 pmIf people are interested in it i might do a review of it after i used it for a while. I was searching for general user experiences of the 9000 series and it was difficult to find anything at all. Hopefully i didn't blindly buy a expensive paperweight.What initially got me interested is that it was the cheapest good 2GHz bandwith scope i seen and a 10bit 10GS/s ADC does sound nice. Hopefully i can make it boot fast enough by sticking a SSD in it. (My Win 7 PC boots in about 15 seconds on a SSD). It also does run the latest keysight 9000/90000 infiniium software that was supposedly redone to work well on a touchscreen.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2015, 08:30:46 pm
content: I can't see why you'd use a new PC let alone scope these days without an SSD.I popped an SSD into the 54831D as soon as I got it, it's definitely worth doing. There are a lot of half truths and urban myths about around putting SSDs into older Windows equipment. Replacing a hard drive with an SSD is probably the single most rewarding upgrade I've ever done, but as I'm sure you know, solid state or not it does not preclude the need for backups, something that an embedded scope doesn't really need to anywhere near the extent of a full fat Windows based solutionCertainly I'd be interested in your views, as you suggest there seem to be some great deals on the 9000H on the Keysight store. Not sure 15" is big enough for XGA though, maybe get a projector ;-)

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2015, 08:32:47 pm
content: An update on my recent Keysight eBay store experience.I purchased a DSO 7104B that was already at over 65% discount, and I managed to get it at a 70% discount after a couple of "make offers". I paid for the item with Paypal on Tuesday, it was shipped the following Tuesday, and arrived via Amsterdam today, the following Friday after that, so 10 days elapsed or 8 working days.The item was part of a Keysight shipment from Malaysia weighing a total of 905kg, with 149 items. I wouldn't want to be paying that cargo bill. It took a day to arrive from Amsterdam.The item arrived without probes or cables, as per the item's description, but I had those anyway from other scopes. There were no options other than the default, but this scope hasplenty of opportunities.

author: bingo600
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2015, 06:07:49 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on July 31, 2015, 08:32:47 pmHoward may ask what you payed ?/Bingo

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2015, 08:55:18 pm
content: It seems there was only one sold latelyhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Keysight-Used-DSO7104B-Oscilloscope-1-GHz-4-Channels-Agilent-DSO7104B-/171772308652?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27fe6d6cacDeduct the extra 5%I think I paid about the same last yearInteresting, Hantek also make a model DSO7104B Digital OscilloscopeJust much cheaper as a Keysight

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2015, 09:38:21 pm
content: That is not a bad deal at all. Beginning this year they went for close to $11k!

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2015, 09:45:24 pm
content: The prices go up very steep, when it is a "Premium Used" model with full warranty.But I never had a problem with anything bought from the Keysight store and I always bought items without the "Premium Used"

author: dadler
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 02, 2015, 04:09:29 am
content: I recently bought a 33522B from the Keysight eBay store.16M memory, IQ baseband player (dual channel arb), security option (basically, all options except the hardware OCXO).They had it listed at $2436. People on here mentioned that they usually accept offers for 15% off the buy-it-now price. Not so in my case, they refused anything lower than $2300. Oliver included a note that this was the lowest he could possibly go at this time.I did want the generator, so in the heat of the moment I accepted the final counter offer for $2300.Once they did send the generator (took a while, I guess they re-check and foam package them before shipment), it was sent fedex international priority and I received it from Malaysia in 2 days.Generator is almost new, essentially perfect (a couple tiny cosmetic scuffs on the underside, rotary controller knob was a bit dirty which some isopropyl removed entirely).The generator works great and I am happy with it. The primary downside is the only 30-day warranty, although on eBay/PayPal you actually have longer than 30 days should an issue occur.Anyways, it seems they won't bargain as much on some devices vs others. Perhaps they have a whole bunch of 33522Bs, and know they can sell them for more?

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2015, 11:15:16 am
content: Quote from: dadler on August 02, 2015, 04:09:29 amI think the 15% is probably true for oscilloscopes only.In early 2014 I also bought an Agilent 33522B from the ebay store, it also had all the options and high stability timebase and the price was a little higher than yours. It was still a great deal, because it was essentially brand new.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2015, 04:18:53 pm
content: Quote from: HighVoltage on August 01, 2015, 08:55:18 pmThat is the one. I think it'd been up for a month or so judging from the item's update history.There were three 7104As that appeared from May to July from a UK seller including the standard 10073C probes and LA pods. The last one went as best offer for under the BIN price £2,850 (~$4,500), with the first one a BIN price of £3,900 (~$6,100).http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Agilent-MSO7104A-1GHz-4-GSa-s-4-Ch-Scope-16-Ch-Logic-Digital-Oscilloscope-/221798728239#ht_177wt_988http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Agilent-MSO7104A-1GHz-4-GSa-s-4-Ch-Scope-16-Ch-Logic-Digital-Oscilloscope-/221771734507#ht_177wt_988http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Agilent-MSO7104A-1GHz-4-GSa-s-4-Ch-Scope-16-Ch-Logic-Digital-Oscilloscope-/221765231980#ht_177wt_988What put me off the last one was that (a) the seller had used the same photos (incl. serial no.) and description for all three and (b) was offering a simple uninsured 2nd class delivery option for such a high value item, it just didn't sound right, although the seller's feedback has been reasonably good on the sales. <£2,850 for a 7104A is remarkably good value. These sales did rather pique my interest in the model though.Current list on a DSO7104B is $19,625 and I achived a 70% discount buying through Keysight used, so I consider it a sweet deal IMHO. If you consider the MSO7104B's list price is $24,289, after liberation of the DSO to an MSO that deal becomes even better.I'm not sure of the longevity of the 7000B series, bearing in mind that the 4000X list prices are 25% cheaper, and would seem the more obvious choice for those with pockets that deep.

author: knotlogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2015, 02:38:30 pm
content: OK, so my curiosity is getting the better of me. What's a better strategy for getting a scope off the eBay store? Messaging them direct to ask what's the lowest price they'll accept, or bouncing around the "make an offer" a few times. (Have never tried either on eBay honestly.) And how do we factor in options then? I think the price for at least some of them is cheaper than what the local office is asking for.

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2015, 05:37:30 pm
content: Quote from: knotlogic on August 04, 2015, 02:38:30 pmThere is no single right way to do it. Depends on who you talk to. But in general i like the approach of offering a price thats twice the discount you expect them to give you and hopefully a few offerings back and forth you meet in the middle. Perhaps try to complain about something or if they want shipping possibly ask for a bit of a drop cause you didn't expect it to cost so much to ship etc. Just know when to give in and understand the seller is still wanting to get a good deal for it. Perhaps if you cant get it low enough don't be afraid to let it go and find another one.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2015, 11:12:02 am
content: Quote from: knotlogic on August 04, 2015, 02:38:30 pmI am a rubbish haggler, I don't enjoy it at all, but equally my view is that you have little to lose in having a go. I don't know about other markets, but in the UK it shows "Make offer", which to me says you're entering into a potential couple of round trips before you come to agreement, if any. The only risk is if someone comes in with a better offer than yours or does a BIN. I believe in other markets, or previously, "Make offer" may have been known as "best offer" which to me sounds more terminal than "make offer" but that might just be semantics.I didn't do it myself, but I guess there may be some benefit in engaging directly with the seller to test the water, or get some added value with options and/or probes. Again, not being a lover of haggling, I'd rather not go through this, but I don't see much risk in doing so if you're so inclined.

author: jpb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2015, 05:23:40 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on August 05, 2015, 11:12:02 amThe one thing that you need to watch out for is that I think there is a limit on the number of offers you can make on a single item (3 strikes and your out sort of thing).So don't go in too low otherwise you might find you're locked out. Close offers will elicit a counter offer but very low offers will simply be declined. I know someone on here reported being locked out of bidding on a particular scope on the ebay store because of this. I've also fallen foul of it when initially experimenting with how low they'd go.And I think this is my 1000th post (or perhaps I got that wrong.)

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2015, 06:31:42 pm
content: Quote from: jpb on August 05, 2015, 05:23:40 pmWelcome to the magic kingdom!That is the benefit of negotiating with the seller through contact rather than submitting ebay offers I guess, you can test the water without losing your 3 lives.

author: Mark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2015, 07:25:02 pm
content: I tried a -15% offer on an MSOX3054A which was immediately declined because of short supply... "We are not accepting any offers"Why enable the "Make an offer" option?

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2015, 08:19:37 pm
content: Is it this one?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181816563326?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D181816563326%26_rdc%3D1If so, you may be Interested in thishttp://uk.farnell.com/keysight-technologies/msox3054a-certiprime-refurbished/oscilloscope-20-ch-500mhz-4gsps/dp/2468108Keep in mind that Keysight will add on VAT for you when shipping to the UK, (as of course will Farnell).

author: TopLoser
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 05, 2015, 08:25:27 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on August 05, 2015, 08:19:37 pmFarnell had 28 of those 2 weeks ago, only 4 left now so they are selling very well. There's another £150 off the price if you call trade counter and tell them Mr B sent you.

author: dadler
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 05, 2015, 09:51:01 pm
content: Quote from: Mark on August 05, 2015, 07:25:02 pmHmm. Maybe they just list them all that way to gather interest?It does seem that they are all over the place on whether they will haggle or not.I dealt with Oliver, not sure if other people also manage the Keysight used store.

author: Mark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2015, 10:35:12 am
content: Quote from: TopLoser on August 05, 2015, 08:25:27 pmHi Howard, that is the one.I didn't know that Keysight's eBay store adds VAT to the price, I checked Delivery> details and found "United Kingdom Free Delivery (Delivery Duty Paid)".Toploser, mine arrived yesterday, thanks for the trade counter tip! Mr Frost took my order.

author: nowlan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2015, 08:21:11 am
content: For some reason I was under the impression keysight dealers could sell the refurbished stock, similar to ebay store's stock.You just ask your local rep. Perhaps good if your company cannot buy via ebay, eg preferred seller/purchase order.Not sure where that leaves you when negotiating a better price.

author: warpedgeoid
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 09, 2020, 05:59:00 pm
content: Eek... so I offered up what I considered to be a low-ball offer for a used E36313A w/ GPIB and original accessories, and they called my bluff and accepted it... guess I need to go pay and then tell the wife.For reference, I offered about 20% below the Buy It Now price and the offer was accepted within a few hours immediately.

author: jpb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2020, 10:55:00 am
content: Sadly for us in the UK they shut their UK ebay store a while ago and though we can go to the US one, on many of the items they say they don't ship to the UK - others do state that they ship to the UK but you only find out by looking at them (they are not filtered as they were on the UK store).Still better than Tektronix where they have never shipped to the UK - I bought my refurbished Tektronix counter through TTi in the UK who are agents.I just had a look and the Tektronix store seems to have disappeared altogether - at least it is not at the URL it used to be on.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2020, 04:06:41 pm
content: Quote from: jpb on May 10, 2020, 10:55:00 amClaiming worldwide shipping and then excluding the whole of Europe and many other places is a bit peculiar.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2020, 04:32:27 pm
content: Thera many things they won't ship to whole EU if ROHS is debatable..

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2020, 07:42:32 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 10, 2020, 04:32:27 pmI doubt the brand new power supplies aren't ROHS compliant.

author: eplpwr
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2020, 10:12:44 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 10, 2020, 04:32:27 pmYes, it is very frustrating to see a really good offer and then "does not ship to Sweden" [i.e. entire EU].Several times I've sent them a message asking specifically if a shipping restriction is RoHS-related. Four times I got the answer that it's indeed RoHS, and nothing can be done. A fifth time they did an "extra check" which resulted in the item actually being able to ship to Europe - it was a B2987A used for a very good price; $3100 if i remember correctly.It's a pain when regulations get in the way. From the top of my head, a short list of items I would have bought from them if the item was available for europeans: N7026A current probe, 53220A/-30A counter, E36312A PSU.The willingness to haggle, and also the initial discount offered, seems to change as the weather - sometimes it's incredibly cheap, other times not so much. Maybe this COVID thing will result in fire sale prices, one can at least hope.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2020, 01:27:19 pm
content: RoHS can't be the limitation. Various instruments that were introduced fairly recently and are available new can't be shipped to the EU used.

author: Sighound36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2020, 05:00:37 am
content: Those in the UK should look at Electorent ebay store from time to time for Keysight last week I picked up an 'ex demo' E36313A for £1325 including delivery. When it turned up it was new just not in the original box full paperwork, leads adapters and that big arsed ferrite clip and full warrantyHave purchased a few Keysight items through them at more than acceptable cost, no if I could have a new MXR