Philips CSM84 P&P available - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2020, 11:36:53 pm
content: I am upgrading, and have a Philips CSM84 that I am retiring. It was made by Yamaha in 1995. It has no vision, and so is fine down to 0603 passives and SOIC and even some SSOP parts, but not for finer stuff. It has 3 heads, but no automatic nozzle change. It is a large machine, about 5 feet square, 1700 Lbs., and has wheels. I am located in the St. Louis, MO area. I have a lot of manuals for the machine, about 50 feeders, and a vibratory feeder and a waffle tray table.The machine does a quite reliable 3000 part/hour.The machine runs fine, up to its limits. Programming is extremely simple. The machine runs off 240 V single phase, and needs compressed air.I'm not looking for a lot for this machine, it has served me well for 13 years, I got my money out of it!) But, if you buy this, you will have to get it out of my basement. I have ground-level access to the back yard, but you will need either a fork-lift or a lift-gate truck.(I've just got my Quad QSA30 running at the most rough level, but I still need to do some calibration on it.)Let me know if you are interested, I can send photos or you can come by to take a look.Jon

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 02:39:00 pm
content: Almost a week, and no interest? it would be a shame to chop up a perfectly working P&P machine that has run so reliably for 13 years. Make me an offer, I will let it go REALLY cheap. And, I will give you all the phone or email support you need to get it running at your location, and give you a quick run-through here before you pack it up.Jon

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2020, 03:25:13 am
content: I had somebody interested, but they are not ready to accept the machine. So, it is still available.I used it in summer 2020, and just powered it up to check, and it fired right up perfectly.I have 50 assorted feeders, 8, 12 16 and 24 mm, plus vibratory feeder and it has the mechanical alignment station for large parts.it has 3 nozzles, and can do about 3000 part/hour. VERY easy to program, there is no vision system on it. It has a "beam sensor" topick up fiducials. I have all the manuals, programming, operation and maintenance, plus parts book.Jon

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2020, 11:52:41 pm
content: Here's the outside of the machine (1st pic)a detail of the placement head (pic 2)The rotation motor is on the left bottom, teach camera on right. You can see one of the centering jaw sets to the left of the motor.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2020, 11:54:03 pm
content: And, here's the general inside of the machine (pic 1)Feeder rail is in front, conveyor rails behind it. (Another set of feeder rails on back of machine.) the vibratory feeder is on the right.and a small selection of the feeders that go with the machine (pic 2)Jon

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2021, 08:01:32 pm
content: Just thought I'd mention this machine could also be a perfect candidate for a controller upgrade and adding vision. You get a ton of feeders and a good X-Y gantry, and could easily replace the pneumatic head with a modern head with servo Z axes. I have the service manuals which have schematics of all the boards you might want to keep, so that would make re-use of those parts possible.Jon

author: riyadh144
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 02, 2021, 03:31:50 am
content: I wish I had a place for it... I would have taken it of your hand

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 02, 2021, 03:35:18 am
content: Quote from: riyadh144 on February 02, 2021, 03:31:50 amI'd really like to find somebody that wants to use it as is or to retrofit. Anybody???Jon

author: riyadh144
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 02, 2021, 07:34:02 pm
content: How hard is it to retrofit?

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 03, 2021, 12:17:03 am
content: Quote from: riyadh144 on February 02, 2021, 07:34:02 pmWell, there is a package called openP&P (seehttps://groups.google.com/g/openpnp) that handles the computer end of things.It is now pretty well-featured, with vision, various types of feeders, etc. The downside it that there is basically only one developerJason von Nieda, but he must be SOME kind of a whiz! Anyway, OpenPnP allows you to control the XY gantry and the nozzles.As the CSM is built, the nozzles are driven by air cylinders, there is no control of Z position. You might want to put in Z motors so you can program the Z stroke, and get rid of the chuck jaws and use an up-looking camera. I think there may be a couple guys who have already done a retrofit of a CSM or the equivalent Yamaha-brand machine with OpenPnP, you can ask on the google group.So, it would not be totally plug and play, there would be some mechanical changes required to get the best out of it. Of course, you could just use the machine as you get it, it is fully functional, and then decide later about the retrofit.Jon

author: blundar
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2021, 06:02:07 pm
content: I think I just bought your machine, jmelson. Your posts here have been an inspiration to me. I've been following the Quad saga. Thanks for sharing what you do!

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2021, 07:03:28 pm
content: Quote from: blundar on February 20, 2021, 06:02:07 pmYes. you did!QuoteYes, getting the Quad working was QUITE the saga, and I was close to giving up a few times.I ended up spending about $7500 total on a machine that only cost $500 at auction. But, in the end, I think it was worth it. I still have not done a really challenging board on it with fine lead-pitch, but it looks like it will do what I need it to do.Thanks for buying this machine!Jon

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 05:17:08 pm
content: At last, it is SOLD!

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 02:54:39 pm
content: Blundar, you wanted to chat by phone. My phone number is (look up St. Louis area code) 965 5523.Jon

author: riyadh144
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 28, 2021, 04:30:45 am
content: Congrats.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2021, 03:57:33 pm
content: Thanks, it is due for double congrats. Not only did I get a better machine (my Quad QSA30A) but I passed the old machine on to a new user! So, it will now experience its THIRD life in PC board production.(And, I get some much needed space back!)Jon

author: mjohns92
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 25, 2021, 06:38:20 pm
content: So as I'm doing my little ''lab'', is this offert still viable? Accoding tohttps://howkgtolbs.com/convert/15-kg-to-lbsyour machine should weight something around 800kg, if you can check it i can buy it. Please PM me if you still have it, thank you.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2021, 11:41:17 pm
content: No, sorry, I sold it to another eevblog reader a few months ago. He's still getting his new shop set up.So, sorry, but it is already gone. There seem to be quite a number of used P&P machines available now.Jon