GUYS HELP!!! WE NEED FOR OUR REMOVAL!!! T.T - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / beginners

author: gornilla
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 04:36:37 pm
content: We need this due for tomorrow pls help us guys to answer this is for tomorrow to pass our subject Thanks guys!!!!

author: Holograph
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 04:44:24 pm
content: Yeah, we're not helping you on this unless you show us that you've attempted it yourself, and shown your work. And even then, we'll help you understand it, but we're still not going to do it for you.Read the forum rules.

author: KD0CAC John
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 04:45:24 pm
content: Did you fall asleep in class ?Telling you would be cheating .

author: KD0CAC John
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 04:47:08 pm
content: Wait telling you would not be cheating .You asking is cheating .All of the above is assuming you are taking a test

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 04:48:06 pm
content: We need to implement a new rule, must have 5 good posts in order to post, ha ha ha.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 05:32:04 pm
content: haha hm, thinking about it.OK lets have a better rule, first person that answers the question for him get's a week banAnother post like this get's the OP banned !

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 06:53:36 pm
content: What if we give deliberate wrong answers?After all the circuit is simple and easy, and giving answers like RTFM and read the coursework instead of going out Phuza Wena and partying till you fail will not exactly be the right answer.

author: krish2487
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 07:23:19 pm
content: What we need is a system that tests for users electronics/mechanical/software capability on a fundamental level (not too complicated, of course) like 'CAPTCHA' (but more EEVBLOGish in nature) and does not allow registration if they fail.Will definitely keep out people like the OP..

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 07:34:51 pm
content: I suppose if custom catchpa's can be done without too much trouble some series/parallel Resistors/capacitors calculations might do the trick

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 07:52:16 pm
content: How do you solve the first one, isn't Zin depends on the frequency?

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 08:00:09 pm
content: Quote from: krish2487 on April 04, 2014, 07:23:19 pmhttp://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/04/21/resisty-resistor-captcha-solve-the-resistor-values-to-post-a-comment/

author: krish2487
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 08:07:42 pm
content: Something on the same terms but instead give a random value from E24 or E48 and ask them to enter the color codes.And yes, put a timer on it!!

author: Neilm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 09:56:00 pm
content: Quote from: krish2487 on April 04, 2014, 08:07:42 pmI wouldn't like to say I'd get that on a fast time limit - I can't remember the last time I had to decode resistor colours.

author: Legion
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 10:07:10 pm
content: Quote from: Neilm on April 04, 2014, 09:56:00 pmThose resistor color code mnemonics may be in poor taste, but I gotta say, I've never had any problems remembering.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 10:25:39 pm
content: the mnemonic I learned wasn't in bad taste- bad beer rots our young guts but vodka goes well

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 10:29:49 pm
content: the answer is 42.I'm just not sure what the question is, though.

author: Skimask
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 10:49:33 pm
content: There's a section called "Homework Help" on another forum.Maybe add one here?Maybe have a contest as to the ratio of the number of questions asked vs. answered?

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 10:53:16 pm
content: Quote from: linux-works on April 04, 2014, 10:29:49 pmi second that. start building the computer that will tell you the questions

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 11:06:13 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on April 04, 2014, 10:53:16 pmyou mean the Jeopardy 1000? (how did you know about that?)

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 11:10:42 pm
content: here are the answers youre looking for. ready? write this down.accbdatruetruefalsenoyesnonone of the above.bring that with you when you take your test and report back with how you fared out.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 11:15:58 pm
content: 42

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2014, 11:56:39 pm
content: Program: Please speak your name as it appears on your current federal identity card. Document number G24L8.Joe: I'm not sure if—Program: You have entered the name "Not Sure". Is this correct, Not Sure?Joe: No, it's not correct.Program: Thank you. "Not" is correct. Is "Sure" correct?Joe: No it's not. My name is Joe—Program: You've already confirmed your first name is "Not". Please confirm your last name "Sure".Joe: My last name is not "Sure".Program: Thank you, "Not Sure".Joe: No. What I mean is that my name is Joe.Program: Confirmation is complete. Please wait while I tattoo your new identity on your arm.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 05:08:54 am
content: Quote from: Skimask on April 04, 2014, 10:49:33 pmLet me ask you the following:Do you want to work with co-workers who cheat and offload their work to others, i.e. to you?Because that is what these "students" do. And if you let them do it, they will later continue with that in their job, because they learned that their behavior works.A "Homework Help" section will not only attract these people. There will also be those with a helper complex who absolutely feel the need to help every little shit.

author: Skimask
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 05:14:53 am
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on April 05, 2014, 05:08:54 amYou misunderstand me.It would be a sub-forum to be largely ignored, possibly even poked fun at.Then again, you're right about the "helper complex" side of the coin.Disregard everything I've said up to now...well, not everything...

author: zimzom
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 06:28:50 am
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on April 05, 2014, 05:08:54 amfuture managers in the making...Student: "Prof, why you mad - we merely tried to delegate our workload to a non-standard free outsourcing pool. You should be happy we showed such out of the box thinking to clear our schedule for frat parties.*Prof: "You forgot the first rule of MBA school - you only get credit if you make the scam work, or you set up a fall guy. You did neither. So you get an F. Your make up asignment is reading the fall of Enron and write a 5,000 world essay on How Ken Lay could have won.."Student: lets just put down the cash and get some Indian on fiver to write our paper for us...

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 06:34:20 am
content: I know i work with a few people who think they are so clever and are not, but then they mostly do sales. I've had to correct subcontractors work hence they just let me design some stuff.

author: oldway
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 06:50:28 am
content: Houston, we have a problem !With such students, we never return to the moon

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 06:59:10 am
content: Quote from: oldway on April 05, 2014, 06:50:28 amIndeed. I think sadly the quality of education has gone down. I struggled at school and now I know it was due to dyslexia, these days I could wipe the floor........

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 02:21:37 pm
content: Showing that you know nothing and just want someone else to do the work for you? You deserve to fail.QuoteAgreed.

author: KD0CAC John
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 02:38:54 pm
content: Sadly this thread has gone in 2 negative directions , and I may have helped , assuming from the contest of the OP , they were just trying to find an easy way out ?1st wrong direction is all the negative feedback , where as the better road to take may have been to try to show / teach how to find the answer - either option at worst the OP just does not come back it would appear , except without the attempt at teaching - we do not know the outcome of that option ;(2nd is the idea of finding a way of keeping ignorance - ignorant by having an entrance exam to enter the site , at least the OP did put the thread in the beginners heading .I think that any option to help others learn is a good one .There are plenty of EE sites that require a degree to use the site and this one never gave me the impression , till now , of this narrow minded conceptNow the normal reaction is to get defensive and take issue with the above - rather than get above all that and try to make things better .Here's hoping for the high road

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 02:43:39 pm
content: Unfortunately we still live in a society where money counts and gets you a better ticket. I recently watched a programme that showed how there is a widening gap in the UK between poor and well off. The well off can afford internships having afforded university and being brought up in an environment that stimulated the child. Poor people have no chance because we have lost manufacturing. Once you could join a comany and move up if you were bright but these companies are all gone. So attainment is only seen via qualifications and that means that a qualification of any kind is good and gets you where you want and you just need to fudge it or let the system give iot away to you.I am employed as a project engineer. I have zero qualifications! I am wher I am because I learnt stuff off my own back and have shown an interest in doing things to improve my employers standing. someone in my position with all the qualifications in the world and no aspiration or drive would have gotten nowhere.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 02:49:36 pm
content: Quote from: KD0CAC John on April 05, 2014, 02:38:54 pmThe point is the OP has shown no interest at all in the subject and only in having the result manufactured for them. That attitude in itself deserves nothing but scorn. Also note that the OP has not posted any further, to explain or mitigate by maybe showing some interest in the underlying subject matter. The OP is treating this as a supercomputer to get results from with no effort on their part. I for one am not wearing that. the OP shoud be thanking their lucky stars that they did not get an immediate ban! I considered it but decided it would be fun for them to get the reaction they deserved ! The problems presented are not rocket science and while i myself do not know the answer I'm sure I could find it out if i wanted to but in this case i have better things to do.The idea of the resistor code catchpa was mostly in jest I beleive but in any case anyone with a vague interest should know the code or have enough gumption to go and find it out, it's not that hard a concept and the last question that I'll be answering is how to work out a basic 5% resistor code!

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 03:01:59 pm
content: Quote from: KD0CAC John on April 05, 2014, 02:38:54 pmThe op is just looking for a bitch doing his homework. If you want to volunteer to be his bitch, just go ahead. Note, that you will deprive him of an opportunity to learn. And if he pays for his education you will also be responsible for him not getting his money worse.QuoteGo ahead, be his bitch, nurse your helper complex if it makes you feel better.QuoteGood, life is to short to endlessly deal with demanding, cheating (hint: he has already violated the academic rules of any serious school out there), incompetent, lazy schoolboys.QuoteGo ahead, be his bitch, waste your time.QuoteI can tell you the outcome of that option. You would have taught him that academic dishonesty and brazenness pays off.QuoteYou go first. Create your own homework help site and spend 24/7 dealing with those people. You claim you know how it should be done, so do it.

author: krish2487
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 03:33:53 pm
content: Quote from: oldway on April 05, 2014, 06:50:28 amWe'd never returnback fromthe moon!On the other hand the thread's name is just begging us for a more appropriate course of actionQuote

author: babysitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 03:35:13 pm
content: There is some very good news in such posts - those people will never be competitionUnfortunately, paying for our retirement is the other side of the coin.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 03:37:16 pm
content: Quote from: babysitter on April 05, 2014, 03:35:13 pmReally ? you should work where I work

author: KD0CAC John
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 03:38:59 pm
content: Wow , you couldn't hardly have gotten more negative than that .Nothing in my reply suggested giving the answers .My main point was to get above both the cheating and the bitch about cheating , both drag things down .A discussion of solving the questions would be more interesting .Quote from: Bored@Work on April 05, 2014, 03:01:59 pm

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 03:41:01 pm
content: put simply these people don't deserve anyone's time, they would be the sort to ask for help one day and stab you in the back the next if it helps them get on. If they really want to get on they will and asking for help to learn rather than just to have their homework solved goes a long long way.

author: TheRuler8510
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 03:43:12 pm
content: Maybe I'm stupid, but what does "SF" mean in "SF amplifier" in the first post?

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 03:58:29 pm
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on April 04, 2014, 10:25:39 pmNever heard/seen this version before.

author: KD0CAC John
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 04:04:08 pm
content: That's kinda my point or points , there are just some plain bad apples out there , the nature of reality .But also it would be more interesting to discuss the questions , after a " little discussion " about the bad direction of teaching / learning today .Not a lot of value in following a bad idea into the rabbit holeQuote from: Simon on April 05, 2014, 03:41:01 pm

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 04:07:07 pm
content: Well the topic has just become a venting ground for peoples frustration. If the OP really wants the help in a contructive way they are welcome to start a new topic asking about the fundamentals they obviously do not understand in order to solve their homework. Then people may be more interested in helping. "If you give a man fish you feed him for a day, give him a rod and teach him how to use it and he'll feed himself for life"

author: linux-works
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 04:18:59 pm
content: "build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 04:29:31 pm
content: Quote from: linux-works on April 05, 2014, 04:18:59 pm

author: gxti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 06:13:07 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on April 05, 2014, 03:41:01 pmWhich is why I'm really puzzled why people are still talking about this. He's obviously not coming back.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 06:15:58 pm
content: Like i said the topic has become a venting ground for peoples frustration with such people or a place to come and poke some fun

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 06:41:33 pm
content: yea now you know where all those dodgy inverters on ebay come from

author: ampdoctor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 07:01:27 pm
content: The op came across sounding like violet from the old willy wonka movie...GIVE IT TO ME, I WANT IT NOW!!!!! Kid was behind the eight ball with that attitude right from the start.Second thing is that those problems are easy, and I mean really easy! The first one can get a little quirky for beginners but the second one is a basic building block NPN. That should be as easy as falling off a log. There's probably a dozen examples right in his textbook if he's willing to invest even 15 minutes of his precious time. If he can't figure these questions out on his own he's screwed!The semesters are winding to an end so gird up and expect to see a lot more posts like this popping up for a while. Kids who blew off all their work for 3 months and now want somebody to wave a magic fairy wand and fix everything for them.QuoteWe never went to the moon! The whole thing was fabricated by stanley kubrick and the gubermint.

author: Rory
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 07:18:00 pm
content: No kidding Ampdoctor. Those problems took all of 5 minutes to crunch the numbers.The trick is knowing HOW.

author: Rudane
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 07:58:48 pm
content: I won't answer the questions for you, but I will suggest a path to the answer. For the second one, remove the caps for the DC analysis (because caps block DC) and perform the thevenin equivalent on the amplifier.

author: rexxar
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 08:18:06 pm
content: Quote from: AcHmed99 on April 05, 2014, 06:38:33 pmIs anyone surprised?

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 08:36:10 pm
content: Quote from: AcHmed99 on April 05, 2014, 06:38:33 pmWell, that should take care of that:http://www.edaboard.com/thread313193.html#post1339460QuoteWe can only hope he did so before procreating!

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2014, 08:36:40 pm
content: Quote from: Rudane on April 05, 2014, 07:58:48 pmyou have to hope he knows what a thevenin equivalent is although I've watched a youtube video where the guy too a complictaed resistor feedback network apart with just ohms law and worked out it's gain without even touching thevenin

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2014, 10:37:29 am
content: Mods, is there any chance from the OP's IP address pointing to somewhere close to India or nearby region ?... calling out Stonent ...

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 06, 2014, 10:43:51 am
content: well it's a yahoo.com email and the IP is 112.198.79.xxx

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 06, 2014, 10:53:42 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on April 06, 2014, 10:37:29 amIP is from an ISP in the Philippines.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2014, 10:56:43 am
content: Aren't we taking this to far?Asia are soon to become our overlords so thread gently!

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2014, 12:12:51 pm
content: Well I, for one, welcome our new academically dishonest overlords.Makes me look smarter in comparison.