No IoT garage for you! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 08:15:55 am
content: Briiliant, just brillianthttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/customer-leaves-bad-review-door-app-gets-banned-garage/Quote

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 12:01:50 pm
content: Anything that depends on "cloud" means you don't have control of it.Do you really want to be able to "control your garage doors from anywhere in the world"?

author: dimkasta
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 01:29:25 pm
content: Oh my God enough with all the hype around these marketing words IoT, cloud and all that crap. Companies use them to market products, and publications use them to market articles. With varying levels of awesomeness/crappiness on both sides.Things have been using online services for more than 20 years and the world did not end.It all comes down to how credible the company is, and how critical the application is. The internet is by design not a failsafe environment.If you have a critical application, you need redundancy.If the device did not offer an alternative way to control the door, I am pretty sure its installation is illegal in most countries (safety regulations, fire hazards etc)

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 04:47:44 pm
content: Quote from: amyk on April 05, 2017, 12:01:50 pmI might if I accidentally lock the neighbour's cat in there again

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 07:03:20 pm
content: Cloud,/kloud/n. 1. Somebody else's computer.

author: dimkasta
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 07:07:25 pm
content: Quote from: KE5FX on April 05, 2017, 07:03:20 pmLike every other server

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 07:09:35 pm
content: Hahaha doh. That's why if you want to automate something, you use Arduino, or something similar. At least it runs stand alone locally and you have full control. If you want remote access that's what VPN is for.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 07:11:01 pm
content: Quote from: dimkasta on April 05, 2017, 07:07:25 pmBetter to not use "Services" at all when there is no real need for them. Cloud for the door opener is the same as fifth leg for a dog. Server or internet down, no garage for you

author: dimkasta
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2017, 07:31:13 pm
content: Well yes, the same way there would be no garage for you if you had a plain remote controlled door and electricity was out.You need a failsafe with any such automation.And I agree it's a gimmicky toy.But who we are to judge others for the toys they choose to buy ?

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 08:06:02 am
content: The article then goes on to talk about driverless cars. I hope in a driverless car, all the software and configuration data responsible for safety critical operations is on a hardware write protected storage device (such as an EEPROM that needs an external programmer), which can only be written to by the manufacturer or an authorised dealer.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 08:19:47 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on April 07, 2017, 08:06:02 amIts just the matter of time in the future that we likely to hear something similar to this in the news ..."BREAKING NEWS !!! The authority successfully stopped the suspected terrorist car by remote steering and plunging the car straight into bottom of the canyon, after the driverless car system managed to match the identity of the passenger. Its the new advanced face recognition system that is built into the car's anti car theft security system, thanks to the cooperation of the car manufacturer . bla..bla...... "Now, thats good if that passanger is a terrorist, but what if there is a bug in the face recognition system ? Would you trust your car ?

author: Vtile
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 08:44:05 am
content: If I do not want to drive my car, but still go with car I'll take a taxi. If I do not loke to drive my can I can also take a bus.Future the taxi will be empty shell and the bus is an driveles box top of the wheels.While I'm somewhat technologist and love many technological gatgets some of the automation, AI and internet hysteria just makes me whish I lived in the 60s.Quote from: BravoV on April 07, 2017, 08:19:47 am

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 09:56:35 am
content: Quote from: Vtile on April 07, 2017, 08:44:05 amActually I'm not against driverless cars. I think it's quite likely they'll be safer than a human driver. The system needs to be designed in a secure and fail-safe manner, with software which can't be modified or controlled remotely and an emergency stop which can't be overridden by software.It actually bugs me that we don't have driverless trains in the UK, especially in places like the London underground. The technology is already there and is perfectly safe. It would make trains cheaper to run, more reliable and we wouldn't be troubled by strikes any more.

author: trophosphere
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 10:05:47 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on April 07, 2017, 09:56:35 amReminds me of this scene of Silicon Valley:

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 10:46:31 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on April 07, 2017, 09:56:35 am*Cough* Docklands Light Railway *Cough*

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 11:18:39 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on April 07, 2017, 10:46:31 pmI didn't know about that. Now it bugs be even more that driverless trains aren't used on the whole of the tube, as it's been tried and tested, so there's no reason not to.Oh well, I keep away from London as much as possible, so it doesn't affect me directly.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2017, 11:49:52 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on April 07, 2017, 11:18:39 pmThe DLR was designed from scratch as driverless; track, stations, rolling stock, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. I wouldn't like to be the man who had to guarantee a safe, working driverless control system for the Tube, parts of which were originally designed for, and operated by, Victorian steam trains. I'm sure there's lots of gotchas waiting in the system for anyone who tried.Plus there's a lot of realpolitik involved, thousands of unionised train drivers to be rendered unemployed at a stroke (without bringing the whole nation's transport system to a standstill through industrial action) and millions of passengers who would be concerned about safety aspects. It took quite a while for the driverless DLR to be accepted and only then if there was a steward on board who could take corrective manual action if the train control system went 'off-the-rails'.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 12:11:08 am
content: The concept of "connected" cars does indeed scare me. We know damn well the government will get access to this so they can use it in law enforcement, and this WILL get abused. It might sound good on paper if they can do stuff like locate a stolen car or disable a stolen or stop a high speed chase etc, but it's the principle of it that's wrong. I want MY car to be fully controlled by ME or at very least, what I tell it to do, in the case of a self driving car.Unfortunately this trend of software as a service is starting to show up even for hardware. When you buy a John Deere tractor for example, you don't actually own it, you're only buying the rights to use it. This kind of stuff is BS.Edit: spelling

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2017, 12:06:12 pm
content: Customer : "Hi there, product support?"Vendor : "Yes, how may we help?"C : "Frankly your self-driving car is c***, it keeps stopping with 'Error 14'. I have to reboot several times. I have tried installing all the updates, it's still a POS"V: "Ok, we'll cancel your contract"C: "Wait what - I still need my car"V: "Sorry, your service has been terminated".C: "Hey, will I get a refund?"V: "Hmm, maybe..."C: "Ok, where should I take the car to return it?"V: "No need, it is already driving itself back to our headquarters"C : "*$%^&*!!!"V: "Thank you for using Acme Self-Driving cars, is there anything else I can help with?"*click*