Facebook Hate Speech Keyword Algorithm? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2022, 11:18:38 pm
content: i got few hit from haters for posting very simple keywords and facebook decided it is a hate speech.. one of the post is only like "saudi wahabi, indon aswaja" and it was only like a sarcastic post. i sensed that facebook is using some set of keywords to make the decision such as "indon" is considered a harmful or derogatory word... regardless of what the whole post meaning, even if it was not mean as a harmful or hate speech, if someone complain about it, the stupid algorithm will kick in. making an appeal give no success, facebook hasnt reply in months. by simply include that word in your post you are eligible for a ban or suspension. so question is, how do i know what are those keywords so i can avoid including in my post? and how to register a keyword because some keyword in our community's opinion is a hate and derogatory word/speech but not yet registered? people will use that keyword to mock us. thanks.edit: googling reveal some flaw in the algorithm such ashttps://time.com/5739688/facebook-hate-speech-languages/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/03/facebook-hate-speech/

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2022, 11:47:01 pm
content: 1. What the hell does this have to to with electronics? This isn’t a general forum…2. The way to not run into hate speech filters is easy: don’t use it, whether in jest or not. If you even have to think about whether a word might be considered hate speech, it’s probably something you’re better off not posting at all. Not because of the rules, but because it makes you look like an asshole.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 12:04:42 am
content: Quote from: tooki on August 06, 2022, 11:47:01 pmMecha,Just stop using FB. FB is not about communication amongst 'friends' it's about advertising and you are the product. Place a dollar value on your posts and if FB doesn't pay you that amount per post, divert your energy elsewhere.JMO.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 12:09:30 am
content: Quote from: tooki on August 06, 2022, 11:47:01 pmwhy you hate so much?sorry if wrong thread but people here talk about cat and dog thats nothing with electronics.. if there is more appropriate thread please move this there. dont leave a human's job to machine. the idea is avoiding those keywords earlier before you are considered as an asshole. i didnt know by just mentioning the word "indon" or "arab" will make you an asshole. what if those filter registers "asshole" as a hate word, then you will be considered as an asshole right? this can extend to any ethnic in this world, we know originally the word bl*ck is a tabbo word. so by just mentioning a country or ethnic name or a color, even if it means good, can consider you as an asshole.Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on August 07, 2022, 12:04:42 amwe share ideas, informational videos, pictures there... just as here, dave get the benefit of advertisement and money in youtube, we get nothing in term of money but informations. yes i know FB use us to get money, but we use it to our own benefit.. mutual symbiosis... they get money, we get informations. but this stupid algorithm is biased imho. it can turn a terrorists to run free inside by knowing how to avoid certain keywords.. read about india senarios in links in OP above, oppps did i just mentioned a country's name? i'm a terrorist!

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 05:02:50 am
content: Quote from: tooki on August 06, 2022, 11:47:01 pmAn American may leave America but America never leaves an American.*How about the h-word you have used? Aren't you aware that it was invented by self-proclaimed elites to scare the masses of eternal punishment for revolting or slacking off and not working hard enough for their masters? Now, I know that you are progressive and not actually suggesting that the h-thing really exists or intending to give the whole concept undeserved credence by being mentioned outside of  tags on a fine scientific forum like ours, but there are still people around who promote this idea seriously so could bepleasestop giving them the attention they want?*(hopefully, one day this will become a hate word too).

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 12:35:32 pm
content: I don't like the term hate speech because it's ambiguous. Hate isn't always bad. It's a human emotion which evolved for a perfectly valid reason. I hate murders, paedophiles and rapists.I believe the term hate speech originality was aimed at people advocating violence or treating people badly for who they are, i.e. advocating for killing Jews, gays, blacks, transgenders etc.Social media sites don't only use keywords but also machine learning to decide which posts to remove. This is based on how similar the posts are to those which have been manually removed by a human moderator.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 02:46:56 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on August 06, 2022, 11:18:38 pmThe only reason you are still on here is because we are human moderators that deal with reports and we understand or at least try to consider your local background. I can remember 2 occasions you would have been banned on here for what you said, but I understood that on one occasion it was an honest misunderstanding caused by the fact that as you don't live in the USA or Europe, and the second time I just put it down to your cultural background and poor choice of words, I sort of understood what you meant to say but also understood why it got complaints.Facebook on the other hand use a lot of computer moderation. Even though you are the product, Facebook don't value you that much so machines that do not have to be paid a wage are used to make sure that the masses are happy and any "offenders" are kept out - for the better good - of Facebook shareholders.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 02:51:06 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on August 06, 2022, 11:47:01 pmThis is the general technical chat, To be honest, I don't have a clue what it is for either other than we won't have facebook like posts here which is what we started to get.

author: strawberry
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 03:16:19 pm
content: Facebook algorithm seems like some BS for snowflakesChange gender to a woman on facebook and pour your hate as much as you wishwithout context it is pointlesshate speech for victims? or help for victims?(some want to be saviors , some want to be victims , some romance == BS)

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 07:23:26 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on August 07, 2022, 12:35:32 pmI don't like the concept of hate crimes either. A crime should be punished according to the severity of the crime, not the motivation behind it. In many cases it can be really difficult to prove what motivated it. If I get assaulted I couldn't care less whether it is because somebody didn't like my race or religion or because they wanted my wallet, the effect is the same.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 07:42:28 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on August 07, 2022, 12:09:30 amAs others have said, that’s not how FB filtering works. It’s not a simple list of words, it’s machine learning-driven AI. Point is, posts that aren’t contentious or inflammatory are not likely to get flagged.(YouTube, on the other hand, uses both AI and simple keyword filtering. It’s maddening.)Quote from: magic on August 07, 2022, 05:02:50 amI’m honestly not sure what point you’re trying to make, other than an apparent insult on a nationality. The phrase “what the hell” in no way endorses the concept of a punitive afterlife.Quote from: Simon on August 07, 2022, 02:51:06 pmYeah, I wasn’t clear, I meant the EEVblog forums as a whole.Quote from: strawberry on August 07, 2022, 03:16:19 pmIn my experience, the only people who refer to others as “snowflakes” are selfish or bigoted people who are unhappy at being told to be considerate of others.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 08:29:16 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on August 07, 2022, 07:42:28 pmIn my experience most people nowadays use terms such as bigoted, to silence others they disagree with. There are a significant number of overly sensitive people who appear to be offended by everything. Tolerance works both ways and people should consider the intent of the person making the remark which triggered them, just as much as how they feel about it.There really appears to be a resilience problem, especially amongst the younger generation. This stems from the fact that society has become progressively safer over the post war period, people seem to worry more about bad words now, whereas my father's generation cared more about physical violence.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 08:35:40 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on August 07, 2022, 07:42:28 pmI refer to people as snowflakes and I would hope I don't fit your description. There are a class of people who are incapable of making their argument so instead go on the attack by "being offended", if there is no offence to themselves that could be conceived then they get offended on someone else's behalf without their consent, as long as they find an offended party they feel they can shut your argument down and banish it from the debate that they are too lazy to have or cannot have as they have no defence of their ridiculous position.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 08:42:40 pm
content: People still use Facebook?

author: abquke
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 08:45:58 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on August 07, 2022, 08:42:40 pmFacebook started going to crap in 2005 when people's parents started showing up on it.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 09:34:24 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on August 07, 2022, 07:23:26 pmPeople in the UK have been arrested and fined for hate speech, not just actual physical assaults. The worse one was a bloke who got fined because he trained his girlfriend's dog to do a Nazi salute when he said gas the Jews, made a video of it and put it online. It was obviously a joke.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43864133Quote from: evb149 on August 07, 2022, 08:58:38 pmOf course websites such as Facebook can set their own rules about what's acceptable and what isn't and no one has any right to free speech on someone else's website. The problem is, governments put pressure on social media sites to limit what they deem to be misinformation which in reality can be anything they disagree with.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 10:18:39 pm
content: If AI is so ubiquitous and touted to be so clever, how come nobody can seem to use it to filter out material that hurts their feefees?

author: strawberry
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 10:24:40 pm
content: everyone must be equalracism/discrimination is when dividing people into groups based on some criterionsome people know how to use the system in their favor flagging YT channels, facebook , twitter ...long/short term scoring system + pattern algorithm + negative feedback . will delete posts and limit access proportionally to when there is negative pattern( hate spreading attack) and feedback (negative positive)?positive algorithm feedback amplifies exponentially (views/thumbs up = popular/important)AI because it needs different processing than regular server to be efficient

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 10:35:29 pm
content: No one is equal. In fact it's not possible for everyone to be equal, whilst maintaining a fair society. Some level of inequality is good. As long as people aren't being repressed, then different groups of people being represented more in some walks of life, than others is to be expected.Social media is biased in what they consider to be hate speech. Talk about killing Jews and you'll get kicked off, but say the same about Russians and that's fine, because of the war. They just support the authorities' position on everything.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 10:43:08 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on August 07, 2022, 10:35:29 pmIt's not even for talking about ending ppl, zero. If I were to waste time on FB advocating no war, I'm the arsehole for pointing out that economic sanctions are stupid. They adversely affect all industries not just tech.

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 10:59:05 pm
content: It's really very simple:act as your mum taught you: be civil, polite and respectful to other people.When you post on a forum, think: "would I say this to the other person if he/she was physically standing before me?"That way, this discussion/thread would be moot.But it's a vain hope, seeing the raging TV moderators on Fox and elsewhere demonstrating how NOT to get along with each other.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2022, 11:05:09 pm
content: Quote from: Benta on August 07, 2022, 10:59:05 pmA Will Ferrell meme floated by on my phone the other day:QuoteI chuckled.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 03:44:31 am
content: hmm looks like its going into political correctness, calm down everyone... i think i settled down, anyhow i think it was my mistake for being too naive and a bit emotional while creating this thread. i should instead find my own way and i think to get around stupid people is by creating fake account, like the many rest of them, this is what hackers do under pressure... there is no way you can win about these people if you keep being naive/nerdy/straight, you will lose guaranteed. wise posts cannot fight shit posts nowadays. so at least i should be badda'hole like them. if i ignore them, they will keep coming, posting in groups harassing and accusing. i got trolled and post some sensitive keyword not anything to do directly to the person i'm confronting, i'm just trying to defend something or give some example/explanation. the end

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 03:47:13 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on August 08, 2022, 03:33:00 amSee what posting hate on FB gets you?QuoteA person I know complained to me why he was too often put in FB jail. Why ask me? When looking at the account, I noticed the posts were just about all public and I pointed out that he should just post the rubbish to certain friends only. Apparently that's too much effort.It's a couple of family members on his friend list that are the ones that are flagging him.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 03:55:07 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on August 08, 2022, 03:47:13 amin my case a couple of chaps from the other groups intruded my wall and commenting hate speeches. luckily they didnt have those sensitive keywords in their posts, words like stupid or moron are not in the list. anyway the good thing is now i know what tool they used to hit me, the algorithm will be more busier than before if someone tries to troll me...

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 05:50:03 am
content: Quote from: Zero999 on August 07, 2022, 08:29:16 pmWell, the bullieswouldsay that, wouldn’t they? “Woe is me, I can’t be as mean to my peers as my parents’ were to theirs.”Me, I’m proud of the younger folks for speaking up against it.I got bullied as a kid, so I am very, very opposed to anything that coddles or condones it.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 05:54:37 am
content: Quote from: Simon on August 07, 2022, 08:35:40 pmHonestly, in my observation, “snowflake” is now used mostly as I described it, and not just in response to actual “professional victims”. :/

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 05:56:33 am
content: Quote from: abquke on August 07, 2022, 08:45:58 pm2005? It didn’t even open to the general public until late 2006.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 05:59:11 am
content: Quote from: Benta on August 07, 2022, 10:59:05 pmYep, that’s what I was trying to get at in my initial response. Well said.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 07:52:32 am
content: Quote from: tooki on August 08, 2022, 05:50:03 amThe problem is, most of the time it's not bullying, but simply disagreeing with someone.How were you bullied?I got bullied as a kid and right up until I was at college. In my case this consisted of being physically assaulted, not just called bad words. Now I've realised it was I got bullied because I had issues with anxiety, which made me an easy target. I agree people shouldn't go out of their way to upset others, but people should also not be too quick to take offense. Try to think the best of people, rather than they're out to get you.Quote from: Benta on August 07, 2022, 10:59:05 pmThat doesn't matter to snowflakes. You can be very polite to them and they'll still be mean to you, calling you a bigot, because you have a different point of view.Those going around being offended at everything are really bullies themselves, especially when they take offense on someone else's behalf and they bring their woke mob with them.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 06:47:40 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on August 08, 2022, 05:54:37 amAs I said, I will call someone a snowflake and for the reasons I gave, I can't see any other definition of the word in the context. People will of course over use the word, I also use it to describe engineers that can't engineer but can't see it cos they went to uni.

author: strawberry
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 08:17:46 pm
content: why so many follow trend. some snob/rich collage kids invented this mass control experiment to gain some pointspeople will kill jews again by any chance and put blame on Facebook's hate speech algorithms

author: Wallace Gasiewicz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2022, 03:17:32 pm
content: First comment is serious:We need to pay attention to threats against the Jews. The appearance of these threats can easily mark the beginning of organized violence that will not be confined to just Jews. They are the "Canary in the Coal Mine" in this case.We also need to pay attention to censorship, as it enables only one side to be published.My other comment is not so serious, but perhaps can be interpreted as such:EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED Not just us.https://www.bing.com/search?q=bob+dylan+everybody+must+get+stoned+1966&cvid=e1f4f8da70bb4960901f16e5e4f30913&aqs=edge.3.0j69i57j0l7.11879j0j1&pglt=41&FORM=ANNTA1&DAF1=1&PC=HCTS

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2022, 05:11:48 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on August 08, 2022, 07:52:32 amI disagree. You don’t see people calling others “snowflakes” simply because they disagree on whatever. It comes up specifically in the context of “how dare people expect me to be considerate of them or others? I want to continue to act as selfishly/prejudiced as I have to date.”Quote from: Zero999 on August 08, 2022, 07:52:32 amI’m sorry to hear that.I was lucky to have escaped significant physical abuse, but verbally, I got it awful. In my case, being nerdy, sensitive and gay (the latter of which they accused me oflongbefore I figured it out myself, let alone came out!).Quote from: Zero999 on August 08, 2022, 07:52:32 amI completely agree. But “be considerate” and “don’t be a professional victim” are not mutually incompatible demands.Quote from: Zero999 on August 08, 2022, 07:52:32 amIf it’s a bigoted point of view, it doesn’t matter whether it’s worded “politely” or not.Quote from: Zero999 on August 08, 2022, 07:52:32 amI completely agree — and so do most people, including the very non-extreme people accused of being “woke” or “snowflakes”. (Just because there are bullies whose bullying manifests as professional victimhood doesn’t negate that there are bullies whose bullying manifests as bigotry.)The issue is that the people who cry “snowflake!”aren’tbeing asked to bend over backwards, they’re being asked to show basic respect towards other human beings. But to them,anythingis too much, so they bitch and moan.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2022, 05:24:34 pm
content: Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on August 09, 2022, 03:17:32 pmFirst of all we need to be aware of threats against whom ever, being based on religion, race or sexual persuasion. With extremists movements all over the world it is becoming scary.Your second comment can be read very wrongly for non native English people. It might refer to the biblical meaning of throwing stones at people, where you probably mean getting high. Or I'm wrong and you are actually referring to the first.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2022, 05:24:52 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on August 08, 2022, 05:50:03 amI got bullied as a kid, I learned to stand up for myself, f**k bullies, including the bullies that try to police everyone's language and force political correctness. Trying to "cancel" someone is just a modern form of bullying and I won't stand for it.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2022, 05:33:59 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on August 07, 2022, 08:35:40 pmI get really frustrated with the people that white-knight and get offended on the behalf of some other person or group. I am on the autistic spectrum and multiple times I have had (neurotypical) people get all bent out of shape about humorous autism stereotypes which I personally find hilarious because while exaggerated, I can see so much of myself in the jokes, many of the stereotypes are absolutely based on truth. They make a stink and claim that it's offensive, and it pisses me off because they should try asking me or other members of the group they claim to be standing up for if we find the material offensive instead of getting offended on our behalf and then attacking us if we disagree with them. It's so stupid and yet it happens all the time.

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2022, 05:52:03 pm
content: I think a lot of us "nerds" got bullied in our youths. That is because as a nerd you don't fit in their view of normal and if like me, build small and not very strong, an easy target for them.And I'm afraid that is an ugly human trade baked into our DNA. People want to rule over other people because it makes them feel better. Some have it more than others. I'm not saying that we have to learn to live with it, but I'm afraid it is very difficult to eradicate.And indeed lately it seems that offense is taken on the simplest non offensive word spoken. It seems that the scale is never in balance.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2022, 05:52:55 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on August 09, 2022, 05:24:52 pmRight. But I’m not talking about the PC crusaders. Nobody likes them, other than their own kind. The vast majority of stuff people complain about, however, doesn’t even come close to rising to the level of “policing” or “canceling”.

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2022, 05:57:42 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on August 06, 2022, 11:18:38 pm"some of them want to abuse you... some of them want to be abused..." Annie Lennox

author: pcprogrammer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2022, 06:04:43 pm
content: Another issue with the internet is that people don't read properly.A simple example is Daves give away of the repaired scope. Australian applicants only! Not shipping outside Australia. And where did the first poster come from? Poland. Gnif removed a bunch of them already. Same in the discussion thread for the video. No applications here, what do people do, they apply in that thread.Read people read.