How to pronounce XOR...really? - Page 1
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author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:08:56 pm
content: OK - for the third time in my 6th decade on this planet, I have come across something that shatters my expectation that "surely, everybody does that" or whatever.So what are the first and second?1. Some people really can visualize things in their minds. Apparently most people. I can't. Seehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia2. Some people stay seated to wipe, others stand. OK, that's where not having a mind's eye to visualizethatis really useful.The third?3. Some people pronounce XOR as 'zor'. WTF?Quote from:https://www.dummies.com/programming/c/how-to-use-the-bitwise-exclusive-or-xor-operator-in-c-programmingFurther searching reveals that the author is not unique in this.What sayyou?

author: Sal Ammoniac
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:14:47 pm
content: Ecks Or

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:25:18 pm
content: The two variants i'v seen :eks-o-ar ( pronounced as 3 sepatate sounds)ckzor ( one short word)

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:35:35 pm
content: https://forvo.com/word/xor/Yes, 'EX..OR', not zor.It seems the pronunciation of 'zor', is made by people who generally know little of what an XOR gate/function is.

author: fourfathom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:37:21 pm
content: I pronounce XOR like this: EX(clusive)OR. The "clusive" is silent."Zor" is silly, unless you are paying by the syllable.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:44:43 pm
content: The Latin letter “X” is pronounced quite differently in various languages that use the Latin alphabet naturally, as well as in those who transliterate their native spellings into the Latin alphabet. English, the great mongrel language, has several common pronunciations of “X”, due to loan-words from other languages, especially Greek.

author: CJay
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timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:47:12 pm
content: Ex Or, surely nobody who knows what it is could pronounce it any other way?

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:49:02 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on March 02, 2021, 04:44:43 pmSo, are you "TimFoz"?

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:53:29 pm
content: No. “Z” is never pronounced as “eks”.“Thou whoreson zed, thou unnecessary letter”. (King Lear, Act 2, Scene 2).By the way, I always say “ex or” since it is unambiguous.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:57:30 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on March 02, 2021, 04:53:29 pmI meant should we pronounce "TimFox" as "TimFoz".BTW, "whoreson" - what a word.

author: Cubdriver
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 05:44:44 pm
content: Like most here, Ex-Or, seeing as it stands for Exclusive OR. I agree that those who pronounce it 'zor' likely don't know what it actually means.-Pat

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 07:42:19 pm
content: Quote from: fourfathom on March 02, 2021, 04:37:21 pmI can see someone who is an indigenous Mexican who speaks Spanish and zero background in electronics or logic pronouncing it as "zhor."Xochitl would like a word with you.And I live in Tuxon.

author: fourfathom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 08:19:09 pm
content: Quote from: Bassman59 on March 02, 2021, 07:42:19 pmAnd my grandson plays a xylophone. Sure, if you are speaking in another language with different pronunciation conventions, then say it however you like. Somewhere there's probably some language equivalent that sounds nothing like "EXOR", and I doubt if I could pronounce it. But in the English language I think that pronouncing it "zor" is wrong and tells us that you probably don't know what it means.I Have Spoken.

author: harerod
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 08:34:05 pm
content: Quote from: Bassman59 onTodayat 08:42:19 pm

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 09:09:34 pm
content: Xylophone comes from the Greek ξύλον = xylon for wood, and other similar transliterations (through Latin) include xenophobic and xerography (the Greeks were ahead of their time). Exclude (and its other forms) enters English directly from Latin sometime around 1400. I believe that in Latin there is no initial "X" (except for words borrowed from Greek), but "ex" is a common prefix.

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 09:44:10 pm
content: You forgot the American corporation Xerox.Unfortunately none of those example are relevant to the question on the table. It is "ex" as inexclusive and assigned by context.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 09:47:42 pm
content: "Ecks or", but shout outs to bisqwit who pronounces it "Ξor" ("cksor"), no leading vowel at all.And I spell it that way, in the intent that "xi" is pronounced "cksi", essentially the reverse of the English 'X'. At least, that's how one physics professor taught it.Tim

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 09:57:37 pm
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on March 02, 2021, 09:44:10 pm"Xerox" is a neologism from the original word "xerography". The original Greek form is ξηρός (xērós, “dry”)."Exclusive" comes from the root word "exclude".QED.

author: wally2q
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 10:00:26 pm
content: Funny....First of all, XOR is not a word by itself like Xerox or Xylophone.XOR is an acronym or "label" depicting a logic function..... even the word OR in this context is not just a plain english word. It is a label for another logic function.Since it's not a word, you pronounce it in pieces that make up the acronym.Just like the acronym SOP is not pronounced "sohp".. but rather S-Oh-P. This is pronounced ecks-ORThere are many other symbols that are pronounced differently... some aren't even in the english dictionary. The capital omega greek letter is pronounced "Ohm(s)". Or greek capital Sigma is not a "sideways-M"... it's "Sum" How da heck do you get Ohm, or Sum from a squiggly symbol?... it's a symbol.Another example: @ = "at" - from shorthand...There are many other acronyms and symbols. How about Xtal... is it eckstal?... nope... it's crystal... how about PNP... try to pronounce that like it's a normal word... LMAO!So, OR, or XOR are also not normal english words...And you pronounce it how it's supposed to be pronounced - and not like it's some sort of "english word"cheers!

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 10:05:07 pm
content: In the phrase "XOR gate", this can be parsed as "XOR" (adjective) modifying "gate" (noun). Of course, this is short for "exclusive-or gate".To be pedantic, an acronym is an abbreviation that can be pronounced as a word (laser, NASA, snafu, etc.). Not all abbreviations can be pronounced easily, and are usually pronounced as their constituent letters or letter-combinations (such as "ex or" or FBI). Since the modern trend in language is to eliminate useful distinctions, some dictionaries admit abbreviations as acronyms, to no good purpose, since we already have the word "abbreviation" and a true acronym is a special form of abbreviation.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 10:10:49 pm
content: Some processor instruction sets, call (XOR) 'EOR', i.e. the EOR instruction.E.g. This (arm) one here:https://heyrick.eu/armwiki/EORQuote

author: wally2q
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 10:15:00 pm
content: some languages do not have the letter X in their alphabet... and as such, when writing text, books, manuals, or even interpreters and compilers for processors - they revert to alternatives that can be spelled using that language's keyboard.yes in the modern world any symbol can be pulled from a character map application, but that is very tedious when you are on a roll cranking out code at some fast pace...

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 10:16:13 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on March 02, 2021, 10:05:07 pmOh, don't get me started on the BBC and their insanity of turning common abbreviations that are pronounced as words into mixed case. e.g., NASA -> Nasa, NATO -> Nato. And using phrases such as "Brazil covid", "Japan asteroid probe", "England man" instead of "Brazilian covid", "Japanese asteroid probe", "English man".

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 10:17:41 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on March 02, 2021, 10:10:49 pmThat's a neat trick for a donkey.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 10:23:54 pm
content: I’m aware that some European languages that use the Latin alphabet do not use X in native words, but do their typewriters and keyboards omit the letter? Croatian uses the Latin alphabet, without Q, W, and X, but they probably show up in mathematical and technical usage. I have seen European-manufacture typewriters where W and Z are in different locations than on the modern QWERTY standard, but they all contain the 26 letters used in English.

author: hamster_nz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 10:40:40 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 02, 2021, 04:08:56 pmForget (2), and for (3) XOR is said Ex-OR for "eXclusive OR", and anybody who says else gets the "WFT?" stare....But (1) - Like what? People have little pictures in their head and can actually "see things in their minds eye?", and when they close their eyes they just don't see black, and maybe persistence of vision patches? WFT? That is just crazy!

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 10:46:20 pm
content: Next up will be the NOR gate.Pronounced ...N-ORorNOT-ORorNOR

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 01:57:56 am
content: Quote from: xrunner on March 02, 2021, 10:46:20 pmSome people, you just need to,Tim

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 03:04:50 am
content: It's pronounced "thermometer".

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 05:09:10 am
content: I thought it was pronounced:Ex-Whore Zon(huh, what? ... Isn't this the downtown train?)

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 01:21:12 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on March 02, 2021, 04:53:29 pmObviously though, the 'X' is an abbreviation for the word 'Exclusive', meaning itmustbe 'OR'

author: MIS42N
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 12:44:27 am
content: I don't think I have ever heard someone say xor. If discussed, IIRC they say 'exclusive or'. Not that it is a common discussion.Such a useful instruction. Exchange a register with a memory location XOR A,B XOR B,A XOR A,B. Or two buffers at location A and B, move the pointer between them. First Mask = XOR A,B. start with pointer=A, To flip Pointer=Pointer XOR Mask. Useful for a string of compare equal on processors that don't have a compare (e.g PIC 8-bit) using Z for result but not disturbing C (add or subtract works too, but unnecessarily alters C in the process). Out of curiosity, I looked at the last program I wrote. More than 50 XORs.A rose by any (other) name is just as sweet.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 12:54:51 am
content: XOR has an interest property particular when applied to images. If you XOR image A with image B and then XOR the result with image B you get back to image A. This was a useful trick in my ZX Spectrum days for some long forgotten reason.

author: fourfathom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 03:51:32 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 04, 2021, 12:54:51 amBack in 1976 someone had a patent on the XOR video display cursor.And as for people saying "exclusive or" instead of XOR, in the olden days ('70's - 90's) we hardware guys said XOR. We tried like hell to save gates, so why not save syllables?

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 06:31:46 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 02, 2021, 10:17:41 pmThe PowerPC instruction set architecture haseieio;"Enforce In-order Execution of I/O"Supply your own animal sounds.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 06:56:37 am
content: [ksor... ahem... eksor]

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 09:35:10 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 04, 2021, 12:54:51 amThe default text cursor in Windows is XOR.The orignal reason was to avoid the requirment for extra hardware, or memory, just paint the cursor to any part of the screen using the XOR function and repeat when it needs to be erased, so it can be moved to another location.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 10:05:24 am
content: Ecks-ORR

author: Syntax Error
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 10:23:50 am
content: According to my language app here...Latino.. Sh'awChinese... J'awZulu... Posh English... G'awAussie... Struth! [as in truth table]Red neck... Urm?

author: Terry Bites
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 11:24:40 am
content: Surely its pronounced Chore or in Portuguese "Shishor", could be "Tennor". I just stick with Eggsaw, the official American way.I heard that resistance can be (can be?) measured in Omms, meditate on that.Sent from myhttps://phabcart.imgix.net/cdn/scdn/images/uploads/small_635229788504881084.jpg?auto=compress&w=268&h=268

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 02:41:35 am
content: I pronounce it "74LS86".

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 11:53:03 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 02, 2021, 10:16:13 pmAnd their silly demand that the capital of China be pronounced "bay-zhing" instead of the proper "bay-jing." I mean, we don't spell it "Beixing."

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 12:02:55 am
content: Quote from: harerod on March 02, 2021, 08:34:05 pmIn English it's pronounced "Too-Sawn." It's easy to spot the telemarketer from overseas because they always say, "tuck-son." Our airport code is TUS, which just emphasizes the correct pronunciation.The city name originates from the Tohono O'odham (one of the local indigenous tribes) word for "spring at the base of the black mountain."As an aside, I took two years of German in high school. One thing that stuck with me (other than the language's propensity for concatenating words to make even longer words) is a pronunciation rule: when you see two vowels in series, you pronounce the combination as the long second vowel. A word like "piece" is pronounced "peece." Of course that rule got ported to English which uses it for words of Germanic origin, but other words fail: "peace" is also pronounced "peece" and not "payce."So as a first-order pronunciation rule it's good.

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 12:07:52 am
content: Quote from: wally2q on March 02, 2021, 10:00:26 pm"XOR" is an example of a neologism, which is a fancy term for "a word somebody made up."It's an acronym, which is a bunch of letters which you pronounce as a word, such as laser. On the other hand, a bunch of letters that you sound out when you say it, like LCD, is an initialism.Is LED an initialism or an acronym? Depends on whether you sound it out or pronounce it like a word! I've heard both. I prefer the initialism.Also "LCD Display" is redundant, but LED Display is not.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 12:33:29 am
content: Quote from: Bassman59 on March 05, 2021, 11:53:03 pmThe Chinese don't spell it any of those ways.北京市Unfortunately, my forebears never could be bothered to learn how to pronounce places correctly as they stomped all over the planet.

author: 16bitanalogue
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 12:25:01 am
content: I pronounce it as 'ZOR' because that is how I learned it from my professor in university and I know how it works. I even know the 'controversy' of how a multiple input XOR gate is supposed to function.1. 1 and only 1 - output is HIGH2. any odd inputs are high - output is HIGHSo a pox on all your delipidated ivory towers.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 12:34:37 am
content: Quote from: 16bitanalogue on March 07, 2021, 12:25:01 amIvory towers with fat removed?

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 01:03:58 am
content: Quote from: 16bitanalogue on March 07, 2021, 12:25:01 amWell, that's just modern bullshit. I assume you are referring to cascaded XOR gates used for parity.The X means EXCLUSIVE. One, not none, not more than one - One. Whoever first applied the term in the parity cases symbolizes the steady erosion of precise use of terminology that I see rampant in papers published by younger scientists. I suspect the same is true in T, E and (I hope not) M.How old is your prof? I'd wager <35.

author: 16bitanalogue
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 02:44:29 am
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 07, 2021, 01:03:58 amYou could walk through the binary arithmetic of a multi-inputZORgate with examples of both interpretations, and even look up standard IEEE 91 - you know because this is an engineering forum.Perhaps write an angry email to the creator of Logisim on why he allows for both interpretations.Maybe write some Verilog code?Or continue to rant and rave over "correct" language and pronunciations from your porch rocking chair because if those are different than your own then it means someone doesn't know electronics concepts.The absurdity.

author: MIS42N
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 08:06:04 am
content: I vote for the parity interpretation. A collection of cascaded AND gates organised in any way such that there is a single output will produce a 1 output if all inputs are 1. A collection of OR gates are the same, will produce a 1 if any input is a 1. A collection of XOR gates produces a 1 with an odd number of inputs. No arrangement of XOR gates produces a 1 if and only if one input is a 1 and all others are zero. That would be quite involved.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 10:11:26 am
content: Rather than arguing about it, build it! ( 74LVC1G386 ).(Or cheat and look at the datasheet for >2 input XOR gates)Here is one (3 input XOR).https://www.nexperia.com/products/analog-logic-ics/control-logic/gates/exclusive-or-gates/series/74LVC1G386.htmlhttps://assets.nexperia.com/documents/data-sheet/74LVC1G386.pdfThe ANSWER (as regards a real life 3 input XOR gate) is, it is an **ODD/EVEN PARITY gate/device, not an ALL(but only 1)=1 gate/device (e.g. for valid/correct input of exactly/only one button pressed/selected, on all inputs).** ODD or EVEN depends on if you use XOR or XNOR, and how you wire it up and interpret it.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 12:20:10 pm
content: Quote from: 16bitanalogue on March 07, 2021, 02:44:29 amLogical functions aren't electronic concepts. You are confusing mathematical function with electronic implementation.IEEE 91 provides a standard for drawing symbols. It doesn't dictate the mathematics though it is clear about the the function of the exclusive or operator.I'm sorry you consider the need for accuracy as ranting. It's a little odd that you are lackadaisical yet bring a national standard to the table. The problem with standards is that you can have conflicting ones. What IEEE say, IEC may say differently.By all means call your parity function a "zor", but write it as such to avoid confusion with xor.

author: Cubdriver
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 02:58:12 pm
content: Quote from: MK14 on March 07, 2021, 10:11:26 amNexperia did a nice job of making that truth table more difficult to read by using 'H' and 'L' rather than the more common (in my experience, anyway) '1' and '0', thus making the it appear to be filled with uniform square blocks as opposed to fat zeroes and skinny ones that are much easier to differentiate. Perhaps the uniformity appears more pleasing aesthetically to an artistic type, but it makes it a hell of a lot more difficult to quickly interpret the information the table is meant to convey.-Pat

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 03:29:44 pm
content: Quote from: Cubdriver on March 07, 2021, 02:58:12 pmThere is always the Texas Instruments version:https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lvc1g386.pdfBut it also seems to use the H/L format.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 05:24:24 pm
content: H/L was ths standard used in the TI TTL databook, which was a very popular (if not the most popular) reference for logic gates.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 05:27:43 pm
content: The Motorola books on ECL logic gates used to have two sets of tables for positive logic (more positive level = Boolean 1) and negative logic (more negative level = 1), since they were designed to run at -5.2 V Vee and 0 Vcc.

author: 16bitanalogue
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 06:23:54 pm
content: Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on March 07, 2021, 12:20:10 pmThis weak. You are one of these supposed greybeards yet you are whining about "younger engineers" while completely failing to do any, and I mean ANY cursory research. Pull up the standard, and read pg. 62. It is not definitive, but it is merely one piece to why there are 2 interpretations of the XOR gate when multiple inputs are concerned.QuoteSeems to me that everyone who actually has needed to implement logic is ok with understanding that there are 2 different interpretations of a multi-input XOR gate. I will leave it up to standards body and as long as one is referenced then conversations can be clearer. Not based on some rando on an Internet forum whining about "young engineers" or "you are pronouncing it wrong in my irrelevant opinion therefore you don't understand how something works."QuoteI am ok with calling a 2-input or multi-input "ZOR" because I know how it works and I also understand the 'conflicting' viewpoints.I mean, get this, son. A 2 input XOR does fit to the "exclusive" meaning, but it is also only high when a single input is high. You know, single input...ONE input. Isn't one an odd number? hmmmmm....This is not a subject that is as detrimental in regards to language as you are trying to make it out to be.We could go at length over this, but the reality is, as others have already shown, there are actually real IC's that are multi-input XOR gates. This has been discussed as well, even a cursory Google search literally just did in 30 seconds pulls up discussions and a website going through the arithmetic.https://mindhunter74.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/xor-the-interesting-gate/https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/93713/how-is-an-xor-with-more-than-2-inputs-supposed-to-workhttps://assets.nexperia.com/documents/data-sheet/74LVC1G386.pdfLogisim, LogicWorks, actual coding, generally point toward the 'odd-parity' function for a multi-input XOR.You may feel passionate about this topic, but what you are NOT is the definitive authority on the subject. Know your lane and stay in it. I have noticed that the "older generation" on this forum likes to throw shade, but offers no legitimate argumentation in return. "I think, I feel, I believe..." It is such profound sadness that someone with supposedly decades of knowledge and experience ends up bring so very little to the table. I sincerely hope you are retired and do not mentor anyone because you would do them a disservice. If you are not retired, please PM me your details that way if I ever see your resume, I will toss it is the trash. That ends my snippy rant.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 06:41:56 pm
content: Quote from: 16bitanalogue on March 07, 2021, 06:23:54 pmGo lie down.

author: hamster_nz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 08:18:31 pm
content: I don't know who is trying to construct a post-truth XOR, but the "true when only one one input is high, even for more that two inputs" does not pass the Commutativity and Associativity requirements of the actual XOR function. The actual XOR function has only two inputs... it is "one input is high, but not both". As a more practical matter, it would make things like RAID5 and ECC memory pretty useless.For another post-truth fact, if you refine logical true as 'voltage low' and logical false as 'voltage high', an AND gate is actually an OR gate, and a OR gate is actually and AND gate... so all of those things are conflicting, and are only established through convention.Please make sure you point this out to your mentors and coworkers so they can easily identify you as a 'progressive thinker' who needs to be respected.

author: wally2q
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 26, 2021, 03:40:19 am
content: Quote from: 16bitanalogue on March 07, 2021, 12:25:01 amIt's X-OR.It's actually OK to re-align (ie correct) one's thinking from time to time. Failing to do so is considered to be stubbornness... or ignorance.Just because some prof told you something, doesn't mean it's divine gospel. Bill gates once said that nobody ever will need more than 640k of RAM.Your prof was wrong. He also needs to correct himself.I mean what would you say if someone pronounced your call sign as 16bitanaloju-ee. You'd correct them right?... we're doing the same here.cheers!

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2021, 04:14:42 am
content: Survey says