EEVblog #513 - Mailbag - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 03:41:30 am
content: Mailbag galore.Dave screws up and releases the magic smoke on the best mailbag item ever. Turns a light bulb on with his mobile phone, and goes underwater in a submarine.And a cameo appearance by everyone's favorite.http://shackspace.de/http://lightdream.com.au/http://www.avbotz.com/http://jmedved.com/usbamps

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 03:47:23 am
content: A lot of people would edit out a personal blunder like that. Thanks for having the guts and character to show the good and the bad. Good on ya mate!

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 04:11:53 am
content: Pasadena!

author: 99tito99
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 04:19:35 am
content: Hi Dave: Another great mailbag, the best part was the last 60 seconds. Cheers, Mark*********

author: kizzap
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 04:29:40 am
content: Quote from: robrenz on September 02, 2013, 03:47:23 am-seconded. at least it should be easy to do to, with it being very open and easy to get to.surely I'm not the only person who wants that Lego Delorean?-kizzap

author: 99tito99
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 04:31:29 am
content: Hi Dave: Also the links are a knockout. Tons of stuff onhttp://www.tooms.dk/andhttp://www.jmedved.com/.Check out the videos, photos and text onhttp://www.avbotz.com/.Outstanding!!! Cheers, Mark********

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 04:51:21 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on September 02, 2013, 04:11:53 amI'm sure I've got that right before too

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 04:53:37 am
content: Quote from: 99tito99 on September 02, 2013, 04:31:29 amHis Fluke CNX review is nothing short of comprehensive!

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 04:55:53 am
content: Ah, it's OK. I thought it was funny because I live about five miles fromPennsylvania, and let me tell you, it's about as far from California as you'll ever get.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 05:00:32 am
content: Nice mailbag this time Dave. Nice and concise and I liked seeing Sagan at the end.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 05:58:23 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on September 02, 2013, 05:00:32 amSagan will become a true engineer. Notice the first thing he hid when the box of Lego was open? Grabbing the instructions and throwing them away

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 06:14:07 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 02, 2013, 04:51:21 amPasavania?Pasadenia?Passylvania?Pennsadena?Pennsyldania?Hmm.. It's somewhere around there.Maybe Dave will find a rotting cheese-steak in his next mailbag for that one.Either way Steelers and Eagles suck. (But mainly Steelers)

author: opablo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 07:05:52 am
content: I see no problem in not knowing what is the name of the USA-PA state...

author: Tooms
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 07:27:24 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 02, 2013, 04:53:37 amyes it is a bit long review and has taken me some time to write.Glad that the packages has arrived and that i get two whole thumbs upfrom Sagan.Lego sets are also expansive here in denmark, we do not get any discount because we are danish.Tooms

author: MatCat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 07:37:16 am
content: There is also a Pasadena Maryland which isn't all that far from Pennsylvania.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 08:19:43 am
content: Quote from: Tooms on September 02, 2013, 07:27:24 amThat sucks!Thanks heaps for the generous package

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 10:02:30 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on September 02, 2013, 04:55:53 amI live in PA and I didn't even catch the Pasadena line.

author: iloveelectronics
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 10:20:38 am
content: I have been spending a lot of time with my son on some Lego projects lately too. We both love the Technic series and we are now learning to build our own custom creations. It's very challenging but a lot of fun as a father and son activity!And for those who doesn't know how far Lego has come since a couple of decades ago, check out what one can do nowadays with Lego (they are not Lego sets, they are custom builds using Lego Technic and Mindstorms/NXT parts):

author: firehopper
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 11:28:51 am
content: Quote from: robrenz on September 02, 2013, 10:02:30 amMe too, I didnt hear that either.. but still one of the best mailbags, even if you did let the magic smoke out. it happens..

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 01:38:38 pm
content: I agree about it being one of the best mailbags. Although in my opinion the big fail was not having the magic smoke event caught on camera.

author: synapsis
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 02:26:43 pm
content: Best mailbag ever! If you don't leave that video with a smile on your face, then you've got some problems.I spent four months on the couch after a major surgery and bought myself the Mindstorms NXT kit (microcontroller, sensors, motors) and loved every second of it. I managed to build a CNC Etch a Sketch and a remote control car with working transmission (3 fwd, 1 rev) before I sold it on eBay. The buyer said they couldn't tear their son away from the kit. You can't go wrong with Lego.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 02:46:08 pm
content: Quote from: synapsis on September 02, 2013, 02:26:43 pmI had the original Mindstorms kit when I was a kid. You'd have needed a crowbar to get that thing away from me.

author: DarkPrince
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 02:56:59 pm
content: Quote from: synapsis on September 02, 2013, 02:26:43 pmQuote from: c4757p on September 02, 2013, 02:46:08 pmWhat's with all the "had"s. I still have mine! Can't say Iplayengineer prototypes with them anymore (at least for the longest time) but I am not getting rid of them. Especially if kids are something of the future. At least I hope that is my excuse.Note I have accumulated three RCX's. To this day I am wondering how all three stopped working on the same day. Baffled.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 03:13:30 pm
content: I don't remember what happened to mine, but considering my general tendencies as a child, here's my guess: I broke it.

author: Zbig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 03:24:05 pm
content: The IDC cable backwards SNAFU reminded me of my design mistake while making my first (and so far only) PCB. At the PCB layout stage, for some stupid reason I convinced myself that I have to translate the pinout on my PCB in relation to the LCD module's pinout, essentially making a mirrored image. As if the LCD was to be connected by straight-through pins instead of a 1-to-1 IDC ribbon I intended all along. The result: magic smoke from the LCD upon first power-on, some two-week wait for the new LCD breakout from Adafruit and undoing of my "clever pinout translation" via swapping of each wire pair and soldering them directly (instead of using IDC connector) at the breakout board side.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 03:37:16 pm
content: Itlookslike there are some hand-drawn polarity indicators on the board, indicating where the tab should be, though in a non-standard way, so I can easily see how one might miss those.I think everyone working with ribbon cables and non boxed headers will have plugged in the ribbon cable wrong, either upside down or offset by 1 pin, at some point. Usually no magic smoke escapes, fortunately.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 03:42:19 pm
content: Quote from: alm on September 02, 2013, 03:37:16 pmMy very first PC was a junk IBM PC-XT. I remember that having a lot of open headers, and either some of them actually completely lacked a polarity indicator, or I never managed to find it. I reversed cables in that thing numerous times. It took it just fine, though. It's something I always try to keep in mind when designing connections now - they should always be able to survive a reversed cable. Often, that can be achieved with a bit of care in choosing the pinout, without adding any reverse protection components or anything. Even if they are shrouded, some plugs and receptacles are made just poorly enough to mate backwards with very little extra force.I've never plugged them in offset, though. The trick to that is to hold the plug on both ends with a finger extending past the bottom, so your finger will hit any pins that are off to the side. It's a good habit to get into. Doesn't work so well with flush connectors like on the end of an IDE hard drive, but it works for standard headers with space around them.I always take it as a sign of quality design when a device can survive a fool mucking about on theinside.

author: Zbig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 03:52:16 pm
content: Exactly, that was my experience with PC ATA interface as well - the telltale sign was the drive activity LED being constantly on but besides that - no damage done. The thing with my design was that by messing it up this particular way, I not as much got it 180 degrees wrong but rather "inside-out", which just happened to cause +5V and GND being swapped. If I remember the post-mortem correctly, it turned out some buffers/level shifters actually passed this reversed polarity voltage all the way to the COG LCD driver.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 03:53:05 pm
content: A simple crowbar across the rails would probably also have saved it. Now the LED driver with the hole in it effectively acted as an expensive crowbar diode. But yes, designing the connector so it survives reversing is good practice. Not that I would blame people building a one-off (few-off?) as a hobby for not going through that much trouble, you can't expect them to pay attention to every detail like a big manufacturer like Rigol.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 03:57:46 pm
content: I pay attention toall the details......by swearing at them when they blow up my circuit.

author: crisr
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 04:37:22 pm
content: This was a good mailbag episode! Not only great stuff, but good timing as well! Too bad about the burnt BTTF clock, though...

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 04:47:10 pm
content: I think that Dave should somehow mount the time circuits in his car, no matter what the model and just do a drive around video.

author: staxquad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 05:09:22 pm
content: don't know how good Belgian beers are?they are the BEST (and if they find a great one from another country, they adopt it, like Gordon’s Highland Scotch Ale ABV: 8.5 % which the Scots don't drink anymore, they're into lager piss now)Westmalle, a Trappist Ale; Duvel, beguiling, usually available in Ontario; Kwak with licorice (got maybe 6 left of those), nice glass; Timmermans, Liefmans, Belle Vue, Jacobins, St Louis, all Krieks, (cherry), (I was fond of Liefman's cassis until they discontinued it); Hoegaarten White and Forbidden Fruit (coriander); Delirium tremens (desperate to try); lots of Doubles and Tripples; Palm Speciale (a Michael Jackson favorite, no not that one, the other one); and the others I've not had the pleasure.honorable mention for greats not in the postcard: Rodenbach, Rochefort, Orval, St. Bernardus, Chimay, La Trappe and maybe another 500 othersI wait for du Boucanier 6 packs every Christmas just for the Red Ale (easy to get Belgian beer in Toronto, not so easy in the sticks, they bring in a few at Christmas time, the rest of the year, none, damn fascist LCBO)

author: jancumps
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 02, 2013, 08:36:38 pm
content: La Trappe is Dutch.

author: Mike S
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2013, 01:03:51 am
content: I remember seeing a case of Duvel at a fancy beer store with a price tag of $90 and always wanted to know what it tastes like.

author: Hypernova
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 03, 2013, 01:11:35 am
content: Regarding the dodgy decimal on jmedved's board, since I used the same ones in myoven controllerI am guessing that he figured that since he didn't need it he didn't connect it. These particular LCDs need to be driven with AC at 4Hz so charges were being coupled to that floating segment via their Common.As for why the ranges go up to amps there are alarming numbers of USB implementations where the 5V supply is just connected directly to the 5V rail of the PSU so that port will happily deliver several amps. I have an old ASUS laptop that have no trouble powering a external 2.5" drive rated for 1A originally meant for laptop internal use.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2013, 01:16:27 am
content: the best is missing : westvleteren. it has won the title of best beer in the world multiple years ...it is still made by the monks according to a recepy predating the world war ...production is so limited you have to call a special phone number to make reservations. when youi go buy it they write down your phone number and licence plate. you can only buy once every few months ... and limited in quantity.simply because the brewery is small and the beer needs aging ... they can't produce more. the monastery is a non-profit ...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westvleteren_Brewery

author: Medo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2013, 02:48:09 am
content: Quote from: Hypernova on September 03, 2013, 01:11:35 amDodgydecimal has since been fixed in gerbers. Anyone grabbing them now should have no issue.

author: nitro2k01
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2013, 09:41:02 am
content: Ah, you've finally equipped the biological project with dual thumb technology!

author: mickpah
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2013, 09:55:08 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 02, 2013, 03:41:30 amcheer up Dave - try thishttp://ldd.lego.com/en-us/Lego CAD !!! - so good to be a dad.

author: rollatorwieltje
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 03, 2013, 01:49:28 pm
content: Quote from: mickpah on September 03, 2013, 09:55:08 amToo bad Lego removed the link to the Pick-A-Brick store. I have designed several things with LDD, but it's a bit of a gamble what colors are available. Really annoying when you selected some bricks and they turn out to be unavailable....

author: iloveelectronics
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2013, 03:50:23 pm
content: Quote from: rollatorwieltje on September 03, 2013, 01:49:28 pmHave you tried bricklink.com?

author: rollatorwieltje
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 03, 2013, 08:34:28 pm
content: Quote from: iloveelectronics on September 03, 2013, 03:50:23 pmI know, I just thought it was a nice feature to be able to design and order your model directly from Lego. I guess it was too expensive (you even received a custom box).Which, on a side note, would be a great feature for PCB design tools. Having a parts list that's synchronized with the availability of Digikey / Element14. Saves the mindless browsing though those sites looking for part numbers that are in stock.

author: NickS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2013, 01:58:00 am
content: This just popped in to my inbox:http://dx.com/p/usb-av-usb-power-current-voltage-tester-translucent-blue-silver-235090USB power meter for $6.40 delivered. Arguably not as good but I found the timing interesting.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2013, 02:41:49 am
content: Quote from: NickS on September 06, 2013, 01:58:00 amLooks interesting. I checkedhttp://jmedved.com/usbamps, but looks like he doesn't sell it. I was thinking about to ask him, if maybe a Kickstarter project would be a good idea, but you can't compete with such a low price, at least not if it doesn't have some added value (any ideas?). Good for my USB device development.

author: Medo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2013, 02:46:07 am
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on September 06, 2013, 02:41:49 amThere is no chance of selling UsbAmps at such a low price - $6.40 (with delivery) cannot even cover parts...UsbAmps is only worth it if you build it yourself.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2013, 06:00:32 am
content: Quote from: NickS on September 06, 2013, 01:58:00 amAnd you get them for half on eBay.http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=usb+voltage+testerI have a few of them from different sellers. They use a Holtek HT 46R064B OTPhttp://www.holtek.com.tw/english/docum/uc/46r06x.htmchip. Soldering quality is not great and the enclosures of mine seem to fall apart after some usage. But that could well because of the abuse they face by some colleagues who like to borrow them. I have started to give them away on occasions, they make nice giveaways for geeks.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 17, 2013, 03:24:29 pm
content: Quote from: NickS on September 06, 2013, 01:58:00 amI ordered one and this is how it looks like. I could open it, was just snapped together and not glued:Fits nicely at my USB port at my TFT monitor, but if you have just ports at your PC, you might need an USB extension cable, too.It shows the current for 10 seconds, then the voltage for 4 seconds and so on. Some measurements:displaymeasured5.12V5.130V0.02A33mA0.08A93mA0.16A170mA0.30A305mAAs you can see, not useful for low current measurements.The SO16 IC is aHT46R064, a cheap microcontroller. Unfortunately OTP, so I can't improve the firmware unless I solder a PIC or something similar. Would be better if it would display the current all the time and with 3 decimal places. The voltage is right anyway, if you don't draw too much current

author: Napalm2002
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2013, 12:48:19 am
content: Dave,Have you fixed the delorean time board yet? Very interested to find out what broke and would love to see it in working condition!!!

author: Napalm2002
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2014, 03:52:33 am
content: Dave have u fixed th Delorean time board yet?