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author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2014, 10:05:45 am
content: EPIC troll is EPIC.https://twitter.com/CIAAlexander.

author: junkie_business
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 07, 2014, 03:36:58 pm
content: Delicious irony is delicious, but I can't get on board with Wikileaks as it stands.It may have openness and freedom of information asagoal, but it's clear that Julian Assange in particular is more interested in embarrassing the United States. If he has to lie and deceive to do this, he will. I've found too much bullshit and blatant misrepresentation on WL.

author: GEuser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2014, 03:52:00 pm
content: I'm not enough of a Twit to get on Twitter , but the OP is a response to the CIA opening a Twitter account I seen on the web somewhere .The first post or twit from the cia went something like {we cannot confirm or deny this is us twitting}? , seems be living up to the name I reckon ...

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2014, 04:15:02 pm
content: Alexander.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2014, 04:35:02 pm
content: If you think nobody listens or cares what you have to say...We do...

author: GEuser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2014, 07:09:04 pm
content: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2680866/CIAs-Twitter-comedians-tweet-Remember-UFO-sightings-1950s-That-us.htA comical monkey on a keyboard .Their Time is short , how short is short? , real short and do they know it! .

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 03:02:17 am
content: Quote from: GEuser on July 04, 2014, 07:09:04 pmI like your quote.Two more:(1) How wide is now? Does now exist?(2) Time does not exist as an entity.

author: GEuser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 06:35:27 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on July 05, 2014, 03:02:17 amGood ones , yours got me thinking about Planks ..Just how thick is 2 short planks ? "Thick"Just how short are 2 short planks ? "Time"The CIA should know I reckon ....

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 08:11:59 am
content: Quote from: junkie_business on June 07, 2014, 03:36:58 pmErr, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Wikileaks sole purpose to just publish leaked information?If that's the case, how can it be BS or misrepresentation?

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 09:11:43 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 05, 2014, 08:11:59 amBy cherry picking what they release and putting the information out of context in such a way that most of the public will misinterpret what they are reading.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 09:17:16 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on July 05, 2014, 09:11:43 amGot some examples of that?

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 09:48:01 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 05, 2014, 09:17:16 amYou don't have to know anything more about WikiLeaks than to look at the home page. Do you really think that is the ONLY nefarious business going on in the world today? Or is that just what Mr.A's agenda prioritizes gathering and revealing? Bah. What a bunch of wankers. Do you think THEY would be upset if someone started a website with THEIR secret communication published to the world? Their motivation and behavior is HIGHLY suspect IMHO.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 10:05:40 am
content: At the time for instance that the CIA were tapping the phone of Angela Merkel they needed to check her connections to AQ Khan in fact they would have been checking on any one who was in a similar field of work as Khan, he was a metallurgist who studied in Germany Holland an Belgium and Merkel was physical chemist . Khan did a lot of travelling too and through Germany during the time he was selling A bomb equipment know how to whoever would pay him. Wiki leaks mentions non of this it just dumps a load of files to newspapers who dont , wont or cannot be bothered to explain why intelligence services do what they do, also wiki leaks has addmited that they have redacted a lot of stuff.I don't want to get into long arguments over this so I will leave you to do your own further research.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 10:34:37 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on July 05, 2014, 10:05:40 am...So they continued tapping her phone IIRC ~8 years until all this spying stuff leaked.Edit: 11 years

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 10:57:09 am
content: Well it is what they do and when you have something good going why stop, and for hundreds of years one country has spied on the other in order to fied out what they are thinking and doing in order to formulate their own foreign policies it is nothing new the only thing new here is a few people thinking that it should be made public, when in fact it is sort of general knowledge.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 11:13:47 am
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on July 05, 2014, 09:48:01 amOf course not. But they can only leak what they have been given.QuoteOf course, and rightly so because they are a private company/individual, andnota publicly funded government et.al.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 11:16:20 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on July 05, 2014, 10:05:40 amWell, they can't win can they? Between the governments et.al complaining about them leaking stuff, and people such as your self complaining that they redact stuff

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 11:18:08 am
content: IMO this is not about spying and interfering other countries internal affairs as a thing. This is more about that US lost any limit on those things. So if they want, they just do it.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 01:21:00 pm
content: Its not a case of anybody winning its a case of secret means just that, you don't go pasting sensitive stuff on the internet or printing it in newspapers just because you have the ability.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 01:35:35 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on July 05, 2014, 01:21:00 pmThe same about spying on anyone if you have the ability.

author: FireBird
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 02:33:46 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on July 05, 2014, 01:21:00 pmDoes the GCHQ have the same opinion that nobody is winning if the ugly stuff is not kept secret?Quote from: mojo-chan on July 05, 2014, 02:11:30 pm

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2014, 10:43:47 pm
content: Quote from: FireBird on July 05, 2014, 02:33:46 pmThe last time we felt economic pain it caused a global crysis, so be careful on what you wish, it might come true and hunt youhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%9308

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2014, 12:32:48 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on July 05, 2014, 10:43:47 pmYou are right. But this time, US I think is pushing its luck too far. With the free printing of money, people holding US dollars are shortchanged. So the biggest outside partirs that are loosing are China and Japan who are holding a lot of US dollars. There are a lot of advantages for being the world reserve currency, with that carry the accompanying responsibilities to others. Will USA withdraw the extra printing in future? I doubt so, therefore we have to expect concrete reactions from the countries that see the transfer of their wealth to US just by the decree of Federal Reserve.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2014, 12:44:52 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on July 05, 2014, 02:11:30 pmThen you will be happy to know that our president completely agrees with you. He is doing his best to reduce the USA to just another Euro-trash also-ran. And he will almost certainly succeed. Fasten your seat-belts and keep your head and arms inside the windows while the ride commences.

author: johansen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2014, 01:13:56 am
content: its all a chess game folks.

author: bwat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2014, 06:38:39 pm
content: Quote from: AcHmed99 on July 05, 2014, 11:04:14 pmThings have changed. Some of the arguments Maggie and Ronnie used against those political systems behind the Iron Curtain could now be used against the UK and US. Eavesdropping on a massive scale is happening right now. If we've learned anything from 60 years of data processing it is that the data collected will be incorrectly processed and faulty conclusions will be reached. The lives of innocents will be ruined. The weirdness of the DDR is back.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2014, 06:58:44 pm
content: If you think about it, it's the English speaking areas that we share with the most. US, UK, AU, CA. It's like our own little club.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 12:17:22 am
content: My guess would be that Canada is probably one of the most spied on countries by the US. Why? Massive communications network easily tapped into by the US. Physical border with the US. Large ethnic groups of interest to the US. Shared basic infrastructure (electrical in particular)Even so I find the fact that our own government / police handing out 20 year old documents that did not result in a law conviction, way more stupid.

author: jc101
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 09:21:55 am
content: Quote from: Stonent on July 12, 2014, 06:58:44 pmAlmost, the grouping is called 5 Eyes, and is UK/US/CA/AU/NZ. Naturally there are variations too, depending on the material.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 09:45:45 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on July 05, 2014, 02:11:30 pmNot to the politicians it doesn't. When the US government shut down for a few weeks a while back, the politicians still got paid.

author: jc101
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 09:50:15 am
content: Of course the big question, how could one person (Snowdon) have so much unrestricted access to so much data? Begs the question who else did it but didn't pass it on into the public domain, and for how long....

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 01:55:44 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 13, 2014, 09:45:45 amBINGO!! its always a win-win for those crooked fucks, they do whatever they want with impunity. even if they manage to screw up so bad that the mindless sheep refuse to re-elect hem, they still get their cushy pensions and benefits for the rest of their lives.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 03:11:39 pm
content: Quote from: deth502 on July 13, 2014, 01:55:44 pmMost are multi-millionaires already or as a result of their position (having advanced notice of company mergers that allows them to buy and sell stock at opportune times etc)Perhaps they should be paid on job approval rating, they have a low rating, their pay gets cut.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 04:47:29 pm
content: Jefferson I think said something to the effect that when people can vote to enrich their pockets, democracy is dead.Think about that vs. our political system today. It is scary.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 08:27:24 am
content: You don't give our politicians enough credit, they can milk the system as well as any of your politicians no matter what

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 11:01:21 am
content: Several months ago there was a discussion at work about that if you get elected to the US Congress and purposely try to get yourself kicked out without explicitly breaking the law (even if it is only a week), you still get full retirement benefits and pay.So the guy says (laughingly) "my goal on life is to get kicked out of congress."

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 02:17:35 pm
content: QuoteWe really have two classes of people: the political class and the rest of us.That's why the politicians are so interested in income inequality and fighting the rich: the more the mass focuses on income inequality, the less they will focus on the political class.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 02:40:06 pm
content: Quote from: dannyf on July 14, 2014, 02:17:35 pmThe politicians areownedby the rich. If what you said had any validity, income and wealth inequality would not be at historic levels.

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 08:14:15 pm
content: Quote from: Stonent on July 14, 2014, 11:01:21 amactually, (im not positive on this) but i believe that they still need to put in 5 years to get a FULL pension. i remember back in the early 2000's, or might have been '98-'99, there was a member of congress who was expelled, which then quickly prompted a bill to stop congressional pensions to anyone who was booted out, but of course, the bill went nowhere.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2014, 05:12:59 pm
content: Seems the Germans think they have found a way around the CIA. Typewriters, the old school type.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2693393/Germany-revert-type-Country-considers-return-typewriters-bid-foil-NSA-spies.htmlThere used to be a special department in the Post office staffed and operated by the security services to open and read mail without leaving any traces.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2014, 05:45:11 pm
content: They better remember that the ribbons need to be destroyed after use as well, otherwise you leave a very legible copy of the typing on it, sans spaces and line feeds. Film ribbons only, the fabric ribbons are run forward and backwards through the impression area until they are too faint to read legibly.

author: bwat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2014, 07:31:17 pm
content: Looks like the CIA will have bigger fish to fry. I expect we'll see a reprioritisation of their activities.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/russia-reopening-spy-base-cuba-us-relations-sour

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2014, 07:45:04 pm
content: The good ol' days one major foe instead of the situation we have now.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2014, 08:18:47 am
content: When are they going to wake up and realize that the real foe's can only be seen with a microscope and spend the money on antibiotic's research.

author: bwat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2014, 08:28:04 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on July 17, 2014, 08:18:47 amNaïve. There's plenty of people who are out to get their hands on your country's resources and they're willing to use what von Clausewitz called "politcs by other means" to get it. If spying on your enemy means you can limit or prevent such action then its all the better for the ordinary men and women who'll suffer the most if they don't. When a country, esp. the UK, reduces its military spending it sends out the wrong signals. Look what happened in the south Atlantic in 1982.The problem these days is that it is plainly clear that the definition of enemy is aimed at people inside the country.

author: bwat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2014, 09:29:29 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on July 17, 2014, 09:12:20 amBritish subjects were being ruled by a fascist junta that had "disappeared" some of its opponents. Estimates I've seen put the figure at around 20000. You may think that's fine but I don't. Listen to this:Did you hear "I'm lying on the floor boy!" and "If you take that gun away from my back"?Quote from: mojo-chan on July 17, 2014, 09:12:20 amI'm not sure replying to an armed invasion with force is wanting a war.Quote from: mojo-chan on July 17, 2014, 09:12:20 amYet a British overseas territory was invaded, in 1982, and NATO and the UK's European partners didn't rush to her aid to provide this "wrath" you speak of. Your faith has nothing to back it up.Quote from: mojo-chan on July 17, 2014, 09:12:20 amTrust me it's needed. Spain would walk into Gibraltar if there was no UK defence budget.

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 17, 2014, 09:49:39 am
content: This thread has drifted way off topic from it original, humorous origin.