I took an arrow to the knee (from Dave Jones) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Dan Frederiksen
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 01:38:12 pm
content: I was blocked on youtube, presumably because I dared disagreeing with you Dave, however courteously I did it.that doesn't seem right to block me for that. that's really something you should correct. it's not like I spammed or were abusive or rude. and more importantly I'd argue the points were correct which makes it all the more tragic.in one of your videos you even invited feedback and said you could take it...for one who rather blatantly criticizes others you handle it poorly yourself.could you please unblock me Dave so I can subscribe again.

author: FreeThinker
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 01:43:51 pm
content: Yawn!!!!!!

author: siliconmix
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 01:51:23 pm
content: why the knee ?

author: Dan Frederiksen
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 02:11:58 pm
content: it's an internet meme : ) look it up

author: siliconmix
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 02:28:31 pm
content: thanks for that

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 02:37:42 pm
content: Greetings EEVBees:--Dave is sure making a lot of people angry in this new year. First he forgets thank every single person who ever made a suggestion, then he makes big big money on YouTube and uCurrents, now he is blocking people from YouTube for no reason. Perhaps on Dec. 31st the real Dave Jones was replaced by a forgetful, greedy, unreasonable Space Alien, or Man From The Future. Just a thought."But leave the Wise to wrangle, and with meThe Quarrel of the Universe let be:And, in some corner of the Hubbub couch'd,Make Game of that which makes as much of Thee."Omar Khyayyam" 1048 1131Best RegardsClear Ether

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 02:43:30 pm
content: care to post what the argument was about?

author: bullet308
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 03:58:27 pm
content: My only observation is that if you go through life looking for things to be insulted or upset about, you will reliably find them.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 04:02:21 pm
content: Why make a public thing over this which has not been described. If you think you have a valid qualm then just stae it instead of going around the houses. not knowing what this is about all I can say is that there is constructive feedback and there is just having a go, as you have not explained no one know which category you are part of.so shall we have some straight talk or shall we just end it here ?

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 04:27:21 pm
content: A quote from Hayyam!I'm impressed. I never red Hayyam (Turkish spelling and pronunciation) in English, a worthy challenge to the English language if you ask me.And in order to stay somewhat on topic here is a little something from Hayyam or Yunus possiibly.Quote

author: ndictu
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 04:57:56 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 24, 2012, 04:02:21 pmExactly. If you decided to make this public instead of just sending Dave a mail/PM, at least tell us what you did. (Video and your comment...) Without that the discussion is pointless.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 05:10:28 pm
content: Dan Frederiksen is a well known Internet troll. He does the rounds of different YouTube channels and tries to stir them up, and unfortunately he seems to have discovered Dave's. If you ignore him he will eventually go away.

author: bullet308
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 05:17:18 pm
content: Quote from: HAL-42b on January 24, 2012, 04:27:21 pmIf you mean me, well, I have never read Hayyam. I suspect that some wise figure in most major civilizations has expressed a similar sentiment at one time or another, and the Persians certainly count as a major civilization, and Hayyam as a wise figure.

author: Dan Frederiksen
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 05:30:57 pm
content: I did write Dave an email but got no response.I don't know precisely why I was blocked. I suggested a couple of times that a switchmode bench supply design would be more interesting. at one point 23 people voted that comment up.I also suggested some of the conclusions in the meter shootout weren't ideal, that he overlooked the accuracy qualities of the vichy which he judged to be the loser in the shootout etcI've also remarked that I think the fluke87 is overpriced which may be a bit of a sacred cow for some.always a sober and factual tone. furthermore I was right.yet I was blocked without warning.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 06:49:39 pm
content: If someone's first action on a forum is to complain about something that happened somewhere else to people who do not know him nor have any power to do anything anyway, it is just trolling. The OP should complain to the only person who can do anything, go away, or both.Please don't feed the troll.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 06:58:19 pm
content: Quote from: Dan Frederiksen on January 24, 2012, 05:30:57 pmReally ? if you think so much of that piece of shit of a meter feel free to buy mine off me. I'm pondering whether it is worth my ebay reputation trying to sell such an unpredictable and unreliable piece of garbage, and yes in case you didn't notice I speak from experience, what a waste of 50 bucks (or in my case 30 quid !) that was.switch mode designs are more complicated and if you look at the overall picture Dave is taking this in steps, I would not be surprised to see a switchmode tutorial in the future. Having a bunch of newbies like your comments because they also expect someone to give them a switchmode schematic just like they want it for free does not make you right. Daves blogs, it is his choice what he does,

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 07:06:32 pm
content: Simon! Stop feeding the troll!

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 07:18:30 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on January 24, 2012, 07:06:32 pmSeconded

author: Dan Frederiksen
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 10:17:12 pm
content: Simon, you are irrationally defensive, even blaming me the victim.even if my points were wrong, that is not reason for blocking. but I happen to be right as well.as for the Vichy's merits I merely pointed out his results in his own video.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 10:24:35 pm
content: Quote from: Dan Frederiksen on January 24, 2012, 05:30:57 pmI did send you a response.I said I blocked you for the same reason every other channel you inhabit has blocked you.Dave.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 10:34:06 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on January 24, 2012, 05:10:28 pmCorrect, and many other technology channels have had to block him as well.He is a persistent very well known troll, and I tried to ignore him for a long time and see if he would go away, or just post sensible stuff without shit stirring, but he kept at it and it was getting very tedious. Occasionally he posts useful comments, but his SNR/troll ratio can't make up for that. He just keeps posting the same stuff and attempting to shit stir or post useless comments slyly attacking me in most videos. I don't need that on Youtube, not do we need it to start here.*plonk*Dave.

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 10:58:01 pm
content: I wonder if he has Aspergers...

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2012, 11:02:29 pm
content: Quote from: Time on January 24, 2012, 10:58:01 pmNot sure, but after coming here to bitch, he's left things wide open for another knee borne arrow injury.

author: damo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 12:01:02 am
content: Quote from: Time on January 24, 2012, 10:58:01 pmI would have thought it would be more of an ADHD thing. Aspergians usually don't act that way.

author: RJSC
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 12:07:04 am
content: This is not to feed the alleged troll (I've never hear of him until now), but for Simon Dave and others, about the Vichy VC99.I watched the multimeter shootout and despite Dave's rants I found it good value for money.Measuring a 1% metal film resistor using the same test leads with the VC99 reads within the 1%, my UNI-T UT50A doesn't.I will get a sample of a precision voltage reference to test the voltage measurement accuracy later, but juding from the video, it was damn close to the fluke, it should behave good considering the cost.I've also added a nicely integrated IR diode for RS232 output, and considering I've paid 36USD for each, I'm pretty satisfied!It's not the absolute best, but it is good value for money.I also love that it uses AAA batteries which are cheaper than 9V ones, and since I use exclusively rechargeable batteries, the cost difference from 9V to AAA is even greater than using disposables. When using rechargeables, the 9V ones (which are actually 8.4V nominal) last a short time per charge, but the AAA's are much closer to the disposables.There is at least one thing I don't like about it: the slow reacting continuity test, and slow measurement in auto range.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 01:26:56 am
content: Quote from: RJSC on January 25, 2012, 12:07:04 amWhat a lot of people fail to understand is that checking the absolute accuracy of single review meter tells you nothing in terms of how "accurate" the meter will be in general, or can be expected for other units. It is almost a meaningless test. It is enough to simply measure if it's in spec or out of spec.Was it just a fluke that it was spot-on? (no pun intended). How does it perform over temperature, age, and abuse?How will 1000 others perform?, will they be the same?That's why I don't make a big deal over the absolute accuracy of a unit, because it's a sample size of 1. It really does not weight much into my final ranking.Now, if it's out of spec, then that provides you some useful information...If someone wants to think their cheapie meter is terrific because it reads spot-on, then that's their choice, but I think they are deluding themselves.QuoteIf you are happy with your meter, then great. My reviews represent just that, my opinion.Those who don't like my opinion are more than happy to provide their own opinion with a video response, and I'll link to it. Surprisingly, few seem to take me up on that offer.Dave.

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 01:34:03 am
content: Quote from: damo on January 25, 2012, 12:01:02 amI don't think he has ADHD because it doesn't cause interpersonal relationships problems, as far as I can tell.

author: RJSC
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 01:36:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 25, 2012, 01:26:56 amSo that you don't get me wrong, I really enjoy your videos!Thanks to the video, I knew what I was going to buy! It was the best review of the VC99 I found on the web.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 07:04:32 am
content: Quote from: RJSC on January 25, 2012, 12:07:04 amThe one I received was so unreliable that I darn't trust it, a small drop and now it hardly ever works, something is definitely screwy with that meter, accuracy alone is nothing, if your meter is 0.000000001% accurate great, not much use if it can't make up it's mind if it will work or not today. I had that meter before dave reviewed it and dave is right, it is not very rugged and does not feel it either and mine is useless after not even an hour of use ! A meter should survive an 80 cm drop.

author: sonicj
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 10:07:04 am
content: Quote from: Simon on January 25, 2012, 07:04:32 amsounds like a bad solder joint.... open it up and inspect with a loupe / poke around with a plastic spudger.-sj

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 10:13:56 am
content: it was iffy before the drop too and performed very poorly. I did post about it on here when i saw it on ebay and asked advice on getting it - Dave advised it was probably rubbish - he was right. due to it's popularity he put it in the review - it got what it deserved.I'm not in the game of fixing new test equipment, that is not the point of buying test equipment, and I'd still not trust it even if it was just a solder joint.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 11:09:19 am
content: *Hey* I have aspergers/ADHD and I don't behave like this troll.Please -don't- lump me in with him.

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 12:09:05 pm
content: Quote from: RJSC on January 25, 2012, 12:07:04 amMine has an annoying defect - every once in a while it goes crazy, beeping and showing random garbage on LCD. Then I will disassemble it and clean the PCB under the central round switch and copper spring contacts on the switch. It's ok for several months, then it goes crazy again...Have no idea what kind of shitty copper is that.Otherwise, it's a nice multimeter. Actually, it's the only multimeter I have that is able to open big powerful MOSFETs - it gives 2.2V in diode testing mode!

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 12:15:26 pm
content: I will no longer trust it, i may use it for monitoring purposes only on volts but nothing else, I may try and see if i can get it to "behave" for a bit and then put it on ebay for a silly price

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 01:31:17 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 25, 2012, 12:15:26 pmTry to clean the PCB and contacts on the switch with some contact cleaner first!

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 01:36:11 pm
content: if that does it i'll just sell it on.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 01:47:34 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 25, 2012, 01:36:11 pmIs selling something you don't trust worth the aggro? What are you going to get for it? a:) a couple of buck or b:) weeks of grief an on-cost and a diminished eBay reputation.Who is going to by something second hand that they can get new for under $50? a:) Nutters who will make you life a misery for months over a few dollars or b:) some cash challenged newbie, who doesn't deserve having the few dollars he has for a hobby blown on a purchase he'll soon regret.Put it down to experience, or better still leave it at work so the lab loudmouth can look foolish using it and getting stuff wrong. There's good karma in that.

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 02:21:55 pm
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on January 25, 2012, 01:47:34 pmI would be eager to get a decent multimeter like that for a couple of bucks. =)

author: PStevenson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 02:34:13 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 25, 2012, 07:04:32 amyou could just shoot it with an arrow hahathat would be a cool endurance test for you Dave "will a fluke survive being shot with an arrow"

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 02:39:27 pm
content: Quote from: PStevenson on January 25, 2012, 02:34:13 pmit has no knee! let's shoot the bastard in it's only flexible leg.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 02:44:41 pm
content: Quote from: aluck on January 25, 2012, 02:21:55 pmWithout getting into the attributes or reputation of the brand or model. Simon was speaking about a particular example that he does not trust. Selling that meter for at best half what he paid for it, is probably not a good idea.How eager are you to buy someones broken throwback?

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 02:49:35 pm
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on January 25, 2012, 02:44:41 pmThere are lots of items on ebay marked "for parts / not working" - and sometimes you can get fairly good deal out of it.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 03:05:56 pm
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on January 25, 2012, 01:47:34 pmto be honest when i put things up explaining exactly what they are like the buyer is happy. It is fuckwits that have a perfectly good product from me that cause me grief, usually because they set out to defraud or expect a second hand item to be better than new.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 04:00:59 pm
content: As this thread has moved onto meters, How do you rate Megger AVO meters I have always been a big fan of AVO and I am thinking of buying a new meter> My workhorse at the moment is an old Panclimatic AVO8 I have a digital amprobe meter but something better would be nice especially as on the HZ range the meter is bang on but get to 500 HZ and it reads double that compared to the scope.

author: PStevenson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 04:29:08 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on January 25, 2012, 04:00:59 pmhaha this is the EEVBlog if it hadn't moved onto meters I would be worried!

author: Armin_Balija
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 04:30:02 pm
content: Oh, it's you again. All you ever talk about is how overpriced Flukes are and how people overpay for their items. You rarely ever put feedback towards his videos without sounding condescending.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 04:38:39 pm
content: Quote from: PStevenson on January 25, 2012, 04:29:08 pmremind me again... what is a troll, what were we talking about - ah forget it.

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 08:54:05 pm
content: I really do not understand why I am seeing so much vitriol being directed at Dave.I find his videos extremely informative and quite funny! I am really enjoying the Aussie accent and idioms! Still don't know how to "Gild a Lilly", but I digress...Oh yeah... I forgot...It is time to let this stupid internet meme DIE!I want to find the writer at Bethesda that wrote that line and beat him/her with a wet noodle!

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 09:10:03 pm
content: Quote from: MarkS on January 25, 2012, 08:54:05 pmThat's easy, you just gold plate it

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2012, 09:11:23 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on January 25, 2012, 09:10:03 pmWell, Yeah.But how...

author: joedevola
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 12:47:44 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on January 25, 2012, 09:11:23 pmWell, first you learn how to polish a turd...

author: RJSC
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 12:48:38 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on January 25, 2012, 08:54:05 pmI hope your not talking about meHaving just one thing to point out over his hundreds of videos is an enjoy rate over 99%!I think Dave and many other people around here exaggerate when it comes to multimeters, given it's the topic that generates the most rants about, but thats all!

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 01:23:52 am
content: Quote from: joedevola on January 26, 2012, 12:47:44 amNo Problem!!http://www.guffsturdpolish.com/default.php

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 02:54:07 am
content: Quote from: joedevola on January 26, 2012, 12:47:44 amQuite possible! There is an episode of MythBusters (American show on the Discovery Channel) that showed how. If I remembered correctly, lion turds polish best.

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 04:20:54 am
content: Quote from: Armin_Balija on January 25, 2012, 04:30:02 pmSpeaking of that... is there an alternative in the same quality range? With a nice backlighting, big LCD display, etc.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 04:58:22 am
content: Poor old Dan got lost way back in this thread.What a way to treat a (self-proclaimed) genius!VK6ZGO

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 05:40:35 am
content: multimeter discussions are a major cause of troll hunger

author: ally
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 04:38:56 pm
content: Quote from: MarkS on January 25, 2012, 08:54:05 pmAww, did somebody steal your sweetcake?

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 05:41:06 pm
content: Quote from: ally on January 26, 2012, 04:38:56 pmDIE!

author: PStevenson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2012, 10:35:40 pm
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on January 26, 2012, 04:58:22 ammaybe the arrow was too big and bled out?

author: jerry507
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 06:05:16 am
content: I'll chime in about poor ol DanFrederiksen. I'd love to believe that Fluke really is overpriced. He loves to claim a fluke 87 should be no more than 50$, I'd buy two at that price

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 06:11:09 am
content: Quote from: jerry507 on January 27, 2012, 06:05:16 amI think it probably is overpriced. I dare say they recouped all the development costs long ago and all they have now is the cost of components and assembly. They are doubtless charging what the market will bear, not what the thing costs to produce. But a company like Fluke has to keep prices high so they don't devalue their brand.

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 06:20:39 am
content: Quote from: IanB on January 27, 2012, 06:11:09 amDoesn't make sense to me.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 06:23:26 am
content: Quote from: aluck on January 27, 2012, 06:20:39 amPeople associate price with quality. If you set prices too low people will think your products are cheap and will think them less good.

author: jerry507
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 06:37:34 am
content: You're quite correct, their profit margin has increased over the years as they have recouped dev costs. Does that mean it's overpriced? No, I wouldn't quite say that. I don't think there is a company on this planet that would lower costs of their own free will. The real problem is there are no other comparable players to Fluke that FORCE them to drop their prices.Handheld multimeters are not a normal consumer item either. If you use the apple iPad as an example of a "premium brand", you see their prices drop as cheaper "commodity" android tablets arrive on the market. But I'll use an example for my last client. A service tech is throwing exactly one multimeter into his gear duffel and heading up to Canada where he'll be 6+ hours from anyone, he's not concerned with price, especially a hundred bucks or something. He wants a high quality reliable product with some history behind it. You keep paying that premium for it because it's just a good product, regardless of their profit margin going up.I think too many people disregard the idea that a product is worth a certain amount of money based on it's intrinsic value, and instead just want companies to turn into utility companies with fixed profit margins. That doesn't really encourage anyone to make great products.

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 06:38:36 am
content: Quote from: IanB on January 27, 2012, 06:23:26 amUse that analogy with groceries: do you think that some potato is bad just because it's cheap?There are a lot of companies that produce a wide range from low-cost to top-end products under the same brand.When it comes to luxury brands, it's different then. "It's not some Toyota, it's Lexus!" // LOL

author: harnon
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 08:29:29 am
content: Quote from: aluck on January 27, 2012, 06:38:36 amYou assume that the only thing relevant to a product's price is the sum of its components plus margin... any marketing hotshot will tell you that brand has value (as well as Toyota v Lexus, compare the Audi S3 to VW Golf - its more or less the same car, but the Audi is far more expensive and people line up to pay the premium). There is of course a difference between staple products (i.e. vegetables) and luxury items (e.g. cars, clothes and multimeters).

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 09:11:50 am
content: Quote from: harnon on January 27, 2012, 08:29:29 amPersonally, I couldn't care less for what some marketing smartass could say. Surely, it's the brand that allows Fluke to sell at a premium price. But would selling low-cost multimeters damage the brand? I doubt it.Let's finally use the Occam's razor. No need to seek for fancy explanations, when everything could be explained by plain oldgreedynessP.S. I am gonna buy Fluke anyway... some day...

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 09:24:53 am
content: Something else to take into account is cross-subsidisation.I know all the "free-marketeers" frown on it,but everybody does it!The extra profit on a meter which has already covered it's development costs can go towards other development work,& to cover those things which aren't generating any profit at all.Another point is that unlike iPods & such like junk,you don't have a gullible public ready to buy the latest & greatest every year or less.A Fluke DMM many times will not be replaced until something happens to render it inoperable,& may have a working life of 20 years or more,so there isn't the huge turnover to minimise the manufacturing costs.Out in the big,bitey world where Techs live,longevity in test equipment is taken for granted,because the "suits" don't want to spend money they haven't already budgeted for on replacements.VK6ZGO

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 10:02:25 am
content: Greetings EEVBees:--So Fluke is being greedy by making a profit, and DJ is "making money hand over fist on YouTube ads" Some of the posters in this forum apparently think that all profits are greed, and that companies should be run on a break even basis. Lurking behind these accusations is the notion that governments should outlaw greediness. Like Juan Peron did for Argentina, the country that used to have a railroad. Like Fidel did for Cuba after he overthrew the elected president (a man of color by the way), and started putting people against the wall. Like Lenin did for Russia, after he had the Tsar and his family brutally beaten to death. Like the US government is doing right now for the alternative energy sector. Will they ever learn?

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 10:37:08 am
content: You forgot to mention "Like Rigol did to the oscilloscope market". What kind of evil genius is that?!

author: PStevenson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 04:56:00 pm
content: I don't thing Fluke meters are overpriced at all, you're paying for the sturdyness, safety and the fact it's a dam good brand (in most cases - I'm sure they've had a few issues such as the cellphone bricking it) but when you can throw a meter out of a moving car and it survives you have to admire it for that.they are expensive but you have options, there are always second hand ones and you could always go for a shit one if you think they're not worth it. I personally think they are !

author: harnon
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 05:14:01 pm
content: Quote from: aluck on January 27, 2012, 09:11:50 amWithout getting into a debate on marketing/consumer psychology/the merits of capitalismwikipedia says yes it would!

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 05:38:01 pm
content: Quote from: harnon on January 27, 2012, 05:14:01 pmNot a word about damaging a brand.Actually, Flukedoeshave low-cost DMM's. Look for Fluke 15B/17B model. Surely, the brand is ruined now. LOL

author: harnon
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 05:47:02 pm
content: Ruined!!! Next thing there is going to be a run on Global Specialties Pro-50s...

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 06:04:43 pm
content: Saying "all Flukes are overpriced" generalizes a bit too much. My original observation about price related to the 87V. That meter is evidently a very old ("mature") design that has surely amortized its development costs many times over by now. Fluke clearly are pricing that meter in accordance with the quality and the brand and its position in the line-up, but they must have a very good margin on it.One thing that bugs me is when Fluke fall prey to the marketing "keep adding more features" mantra. They replaced the beautiful, elegant 189 with the horrible, overweight, bloated, battery hungry 289. What were they thinking? I'd like a top end electronics oriented Fluke, but I'm blowed if I'm ever going to buy a 289. They really screwed the pooch on that one.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 09:35:41 pm
content: Quote from: PStevenson on January 27, 2012, 04:56:00 pmAll the same, you really shouldn't be doing this on a routine basis.

author: PStevenson
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2012, 10:02:37 pm
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on January 27, 2012, 09:35:41 pmof course not and I also recommend no one try the same test with an oscilloscope, they can rarely survive that kind of "testing"

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2012, 01:10:09 am
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on January 27, 2012, 09:35:41 pmI felt that would be a good thing to do with the UNI-T & "Meterman" DMMS I've used,but I'm assured newer UNI-Ts are much better!I would still go back to check with the Meterman,& if it survived,run over it several times to make sure !VK6ZGO

author: aluck
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2012, 04:26:22 am
content: vk6zgo, it sounds like a DMM hate speech!

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2012, 04:57:03 am
content: Quote from: aluck on January 28, 2012, 04:26:22 amOHHHH YEAH!!!VK6ZGO