Who Cloned Who? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2012, 03:01:03 pm
content: So I'm at my work place and I notice this CIF 852 hot air station.http://uk.farnell.com/cif/v700044/hot-air-repair-station-cif852-a/dp/1643120I had always thought it was just another cheap Aoyue-like clone as it looked very similar to my Aoyue 968 (font style, switches, dials, even identical warning message on the top about the "pump screw")However, I then noticed... it was made in France, so says the sticker on the back...So, is it another Aoyue clone? I have doubts! The degree of the duplication is astounding; if you didn't take the cover off the Aoyue, you would think it was a CIF product! The controls look identical; the pump level indicator looks identical, heck even the FONT is the same.

author: Short Circuit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2012, 03:06:48 pm
content: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/looking-for-a-hot-air-rework-station-any-advice/

author: T4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2012, 03:14:02 pm
content: What? You didn't know!Aoyue are like typical chinese companies, they like to relabel things and sell it as "western" brand for a customerLike those aoyue 852 relabelled into a Tenma for farnell alsoThat CIF you got is a 852a+Well for one it's very expensive on farnell ...

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2012, 03:37:38 pm
content: I knew it was too good to be true; made in France was a lie! Anyway, I didn't buy it, my employer did, so they are the ones who got ripped off...

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2012, 04:13:45 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on August 09, 2012, 03:37:38 pmIt is "Made in France", at least according to the stupid rules for "made in" declarations. It may have been boxed in France, and as the price more then doubled, that is probably enough to claim that it was made in France.

author: poorchava
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2012, 03:28:30 pm
content: I think 'made in' refers to what is defined as "last significant manufacturing process". This means that if you buy chinese soldering station and buy chinese handle for that soldering station, a then join these two together in Italy then you can write 'made in Italy' on it.Huh, guys working in ym company for some longer time told me that some years ago when Polish division was founded, with most significant facilities being in Germany and US, our products were labeled as made in Germany despice being made in Poland in reality. just because the labeling stickers were already made

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2012, 03:38:33 pm
content: Made in EU can be done with a simple adding of a box, a label on the outside and a printed instruction book. All can be made in PRC, but the assembly in EU allows them to be marked as made in EU.

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2012, 10:06:58 pm
content: i hope the pacemaker will be the same made in eu/usa/japan sticker while manufactured in the possible worse factory in china or hell knows by who for 2 cents and sold for 40k usd, with the corresponding build quality for those idiots who made this "made in" laws

author: poorchava
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2012, 02:41:10 pm
content: Not everything from China is crap. Larger companies who produce stuff commonly regarded as high quality also outsource component production to east. I can guarantee you that in every product ranging from test equipment (Agilent, Tek, Fluke), through power tools (Hitachi, Bosch, DeWalt, Ryobi), hand tools (Proxxon, Gedore, Beta) machinery (Datron, Mazak), ending with all kinds of automobiles you can find some components which were made in China. It's just the matter of making right agreements with companies.Private people can't do much when stuff they buiy doesn't meet the spec. When reputable company gets a batch of bad parts they just send them back with friendly note saying something 'here's your 10M of parts. Please deliver ones up to spec. One more situation like that and we outsource that business somewhere else, and charge you for all delays'. China also has laws, although they may seem a bit awkward for peple from other countries. That is probably why there are whole lawyer agencies specializing in chinese law regulations and getting stuff done in china.What happened to the 10M of flawed parts you ask....... look on ebay and DXChinese =/= bad quality.

author: T4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2012, 02:51:01 pm
content: DX ... not reallythe thing is, a western boss who goes to china for cheapest possible manufacturing to charge a big amount back in his country = poor qualityA chinese boss who knows what he's doing = average-goodTrust me, yihua quality is good internally but many areas are poor ...

author: ju1ce
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2012, 06:02:05 pm
content: Quote from: T4P on August 14, 2012, 02:51:01 pmYou can't generalize it like that. I've heard that the Chinese like to modify the product they make for the Western market. Of course, they do that on their own to save a few pennies and render the product unusable. I have no experience in foreign trade, but I think it all boils down to reliable suppliers and good quality control.

author: T4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2012, 06:20:14 pm
content: Quote from: ju1ce on August 14, 2012, 06:02:05 pmAnd the worst part was that the bad yihua experience i had was bought in SZ,China!

author: Dread
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 18, 2012, 06:26:39 pm
content: Quote from: T4P on August 14, 2012, 02:51:01 pmExactly!I have a friend who does business in China and he tells me a $400 TV at Wallymart costs about $50 shipped from ChinaThe Wallymart customer complains that his $400 TV only lasted 2 years and the Chinese manufacturer says says hey for $50 what do you expect, meanwhile Wallymart laughs all the way to the Bank. Iphones and IPads are made in China so they can make some top notch stuff if the buyer pays them proper money.

author: Rufus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 18, 2012, 06:55:23 pm
content: Quote from: poorchava on August 14, 2012, 02:41:10 pmExcept then they are short of 10M parts to sell or make product with so if they can't get 10M good parts somewhere else quickly they are screwed. Their Chinese supplier knows this and will use it as leverage to get them to accept the bad parts. Having got away with it they will shave some more cost off production to make even worse parts and try it again.It is so easy for western buyers to be seduced by low Chinese prices, get locked into supply agreements then see quality fall to match the low prices. Getting good product out of China involves much more than sending back bad product.