Question optical DVD drive sata Desktop PC - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: classicsamus87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 10:24:45 pm
content: optical DVD drive sata Desktop PC Do you have any electrolytic capacitor?is it possible to use a dvd drive internal sata desktop pc to use on the USB port?

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 10:51:13 pm
content: Try to restate your question. In its current form it makes no sense.

author: msuffidy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 10:53:39 pm
content: In terms of putting internal drives in enclosures, I've seen some enclosures with a 'sata bridge' that would probably look like an ATAPI device to an OS. As for enclosures that appear as mass storage devices, probably no, but maybe. You can network share drives as windows shares if you have a pc with a drive.As for having caps inside, I rather doubt it would have very large ones, but I wouldn't say none could be in there.

author: retiredfeline
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2020, 11:04:41 pm
content: This is probably the continuation of this thread:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/general-computing/question-best-drive-readburn-dvd/msg3383996/I wonder if OP will ever get around to buying one. They just seem to want to discuss it to death.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 04:16:30 am
content: The OP needs to improve his English skills first... or this is a very elaborate troll of some sort.

author: retiredfeline
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 05:18:02 am
content: Quote from: amyk on January 01, 2021, 04:16:30 amI believe someone investigated past posts and reported in another thread that OP has an obsessive trait and difficulty making decisions. The question about electrolytic capacitors is probably to do with concern about longevity of the drive and thus OPs collection of media. OP'll still be dithering when the world has melted down.So, yeah,

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 08:12:22 am
content: Quote from: classicsamus87 on December 31, 2020, 10:24:45 pmyes its possible. if this (below) cannot satisfy you, i cannot help any further...https://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-to-2-5-SATA-III-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Cable-SATA-To-USB-3-0-Converter-s/313230782031?hash=item48ee026e4f:g:ryMAAOSw6FFfUzfUif you want more robust with external powerful power supply, this...https://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-To-SATA-IDE-Cable-Converter-Adapter-Hard-Drive-External-HDD-Cable/254788940153?hash=item3b529ab179:g:aHcAAOSwubRfl5uCif you still dataphobic about reliability of China product, buy from USA, Americans usually be responsible to what they sell (but you complaint about high price right?)...https://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-to-IDE-SATA-Converter-External-Hard-Drive-Adapter-Kit-2-5-3-5-Cable/232806386393?hash=item3634578ad9:g:QsEAAOSweLxdlD2pbut... if you already have a PC... why need extra (internal to external) adapter? we learnt you are dataphobic, the internal SATA is already the most reliable and fastest connection for data transfer. is there anybody you've listened and believe about this (crappy) idea for data transfer reliability? including the electrolytic caps?ps: i already take an effort to make a screen capture for you to better understand, you should send me a cup of coffee by registered mail, dont spill it!

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 10:37:24 am
content: Quote from: amyk on January 01, 2021, 04:16:30 am

author: classicsamus87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 10:59:02 am
content: My DVD drive is a Samsung SH-S223F / BRDH is there any firmware for this drive that fully supports the M-DISC?Is there any software to test my dvd drive and optical reader and show if it is bad, reasonable, good or excellent?

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 11:24:37 am
content: Quote from: classicsamus87 on January 01, 2021, 10:59:02 amI think there is a serious problem, with the DVD drive, especially with its firmware, M-DISC capabilities, and its electrolytic capacitors.You need to remove it from the computer, before it can be fixed, and any badblocks, dealt with.Carefully wrap it up in water absorbing paper, then place it, and 4 silicon gel packs, into a plastic ziplock bag.Then take it to the nearest specialist, repair centre, with qualified Psychiatrists/Psychologists/Therapists, who, I suspect will be able to help you with this problem.tl;drI agree, there is a problem, with the 'firmware'. Here is a useful website about the possible problem:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 12:13:47 pm
content: More specifically, it might be the "Checking" part of OCD.See here:https://www.ocduk.org/ocd/types/QuoteHence you are apparently COMPULSIVELY feeling the need to check on the life-expectancy/condition of your DVD drive, and other items you want to preserve, compulsively (apparently).Disclaimer:I could easily be wrong, there are all sorts of other problems, that might be causing the issues. Especially since I haven't met you in person, verified my diagnosis, or magically become a qualified Psychiatrist.

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 01:55:04 pm
content: Nearly all CD/DVD(R)W)) drives I have ever seen are pretty much fully enclosed by design. (A few really old IDE CD readers had exposed PCBs underneath.) As such, they only require a case for external use for aesthetics. Stick some rubber feet on the bottom and call it good. (If you want it to look better, fold some thin card and cover it with Fablon to form a 'skin' for the top and sides of the drive case!) However they definitely require 12V power, which USB SATA adapters without an external PSU cannot provide. For a reasonably elegant solution, you therefore need a USB SATA adapter styled like the first of Mechatrommer's photos, with SATA power and data connectors to fit directly on the back of the drive, but with a 12V DC power in barrel jack and external PSU. If your PC is a desktop with spare 12V capacity, you can fit a matching 12V barrel socket to its back panel powered from a drive power cable via a 3A polyfuse, and power the external drive from the PC, as its convenient to have it fully powered down when the PC is off, and the external PSU if left connected to the mains supply, is probably the least reliable short-lived component of the whole solution.Long term storage of optical drives is problematic not just because of electrolytic capacitors, but also due to plasticiser outgassing forming a film on the surfaces of the optics defocussing or attenuating the laser, and oxidization of lubricant on the head carriage rails causing stiction eventually resulting in tracking failure. If you want a reasonable proportion of optical drives purchased in 2020 to still be usable in 2040, you'll need to store them in a dry inert gas atmosphere under refrigeration, only a little above freezing to minimise outgassing, oxidisation and degradation of wet electrolyte. IMHO its absolutely not worth doing so unless you are committed to supporting proprietary legacy hardware that uses CDR/DVDR media, and for which no CD/DVD(R)W)) hardware emulator drive using solid state media is possible (i.e. the existing drive doesn't have a SCSI, PATA or SATA interface to the main board). For all other archival purposes you are better off with a combo of on-site and offsite backup, with a good media rotation policy. N.B. high density solid state media can degrade in long term unpowered storage, so the procedure should always be to place the current backup into offsite storage, retrieve the oldest and attempt to restore it to a test system, then exhaustively check the integrity of the restored data so you get early warning if the on-drive error correction is reaching its limits, and so it has sufficient powered-on time to rewrite or reallocate any blocks that have degraded but are still readable.OCD level compulsiveness redirected into religiously following a properly designed rotational backup process could be benificial for both the user and their data, as long as they can accept that the procedure as designed by a data backup expert must be followed as written, and any changes or possible 'improvements' must be approved by the expert (or their successor) before implementation.

author: classicsamus87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 03:07:28 pm
content: Quote from: Ian.M on January 01, 2021, 01:55:04 pmwithout inert gas and without vacuum is it impossible to keep an internal sata dvd drive? I have a 2008 and a 2011 unit stored for future use but I don't use a vacuum or silica because it will dry the rubber and lubricantI will not be able to use these drives in the future? not preserve possibly my normally conditions?

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 04:32:20 pm
content: Vaccum - if you could maintain it - would be very bad, causing every plastic component to outgass, which is why I said inert gas. Dry nitrogen or argon isn't particularly difficult to obtain or use.Rubber and synthetic rubber drive belts that have been under stress in the same position for ten years and not in a controlled atmosphere are probably dead anyway - either turned to goo or likely to snap within a couple of uses, so you should figure on replacing the tray drive motor belt anyway.If you are just storing drives on the shelf, test them every six months so rubber parts don't take a permanent set and to redistribute lubricants. However if you want one working dive in 2040, best start with ten new ones on the shelf, as you will lose a proportion to various failures over the years!

author: classicsamus87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 06:01:56 pm
content: Quote from: Ian.M on January 01, 2021, 04:32:20 pmIn the case of Samsung and LG DVD drives, if I use them every 6 months, does it help preserve these drives? use every 1 year is too much time? I have no money and can keep it under controlled conditions so I want to do the best I cando you know any software that tests the drives and shows if these drives and optical reader are bad, reasonable, good or excellent?my current drives I got from my brother don't use it a few years ago they were manufactured in 2008 and 2011thanks for your explanation

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 06:42:19 pm
content: No particular test software. Simply burn a full capacity ISO and verify the resulting media against the ISO in both the drive under test and a known good drive, doing a full bytewise compare. Any errors not resolved by changing the media and re-running the burn indicate either a failing drive or incompatible media. If it stops working with freshly purchased recently manufactured formerly compatible media, either the manufacturer has changed the media specs, or the drive is going bad. Blank media that has been in long-term storage may degrade and become less reliable or even unwritable. Back in the days when I was regularly burning disks with a HP 9600 external SCSI CD writer, when buying budget media, I always had to get a small pack for drive testing at various burn speeds before buying in bulk.The optimum interval for running a stored optical drive to extend its life is probably somewhere between monthly and yearly. More frequent increases the number of power on events and wear on the drive, less frequent increases the risk of electrolytic capacitors degrading, lubricant hardening, and rubber parts taking a permanent set. Its a tradeoff you have to decide for yourself, as you will have to schedule the time to do so and not forget when its due!

author: classicsamus87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 06:56:53 pm
content: I look for a test to find out if the drive is good but this test does not stress the drive hardwarecan use without problem 2A 12V AC adapter on the internal sata dvd drive? on the drive label it says 5V / 12V 2A 2.5A if I use an adapter smaller than 2.5A will it be bad? my adapter is 2Ause drive in 6 months is ideal preserve drive? 1 year is much? i doubt choosecan I use this accessory for internal sata driver outside the PC?

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 07:14:47 pm
content: For a drive that's labelled as requiring a 2.5A max 12V supply, if you want to be certain of no problems you'd use a 3A rated adapter. Your 2A rated one may or may not work, but is unlikely to damage the drive unless it fails.Yes that USB SATA adapter is the style I was suggesting. However if your USB ports have limited current or Vbus at the lower end of the acceptable range, or you need to run old SSDs with high 5V current requirements, you may be better off with the type in Mechatrommer's second picture as you can be certain it does not draw 5V drive power from USB Vbus.

author: classicsamus87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 07:37:40 pm
content: Quote from: Ian.M on January 01, 2021, 07:14:47 pm1) if i use the 2A adapter will this result in bad readings and bad burns by the dvd drive? can it also shorten the life of the drive? the 3A is much more expensive than the 2A because I will have to pay another separate freight so I will only buy if I have the certainty that I need the 3A2) can I use this photo adapter that I posted without problems or is it bad?3) Does the kit in photo 2 from Mechatrommer have a lot of difference to the kit I showed you? his kit is more expensive and I haven’t used the IDE for a long time the Mechatrommer kit’s power supply is bigger but it has the same 2A, my country’s plug is EU I’m confused about which one to choose if photo 2 needs to be the cheapest for me

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 09:07:36 pm
content: Insufficient 12V current could certainly result in burn errors especially at higher speeds. Most SMPSUs are overload protected, so its unlikely to damage the drive#. Persistent overloading may damage the PSU.When the PSU goes into current limiting, the output voltage will collapse and the drive will error out on whatever operation its currently doing. It will probably require a full power cycle + USB detach/attach + restarting your burning software cycle to return to normal operation.If you are using a desktop that's out of warranty with at least 2.5A spare capacity on its PSU's 12V rail I suggest tapping that for the external drive power as I described earlier.Alternatively, you can make up a test lead to put a DMM on amps with peak hold in series with the 12V output of the PSU that comes with the adapter, and if its repeatedly exceeding 2A except transiently during disk spinup, or if you get bad burns, then order the 3A PSU.#Optical drives (except magneto-optical) do not use a 'flying head' so there is no fundamental problem with letting the disc coast to a stop. Some old hard drives may be less tolerant of loss of 12V when operating, though I would expect SATA era hard drives to have auto-head-park on power loss

author: classicsamus87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2021, 09:54:35 pm
content: I can use this link 1 adapter that I posted without problems or is it bad?Does the kit in link 2 from Mechatrommer have a lot of difference to the kit I showed you? his kit is more expensive and I haven’t used the IDE for a long time the Mechatrommer kit’s power supply is bigger but it has the same 2A, my country’s plug is EU I’m confused about which one to choose if photo 2 needs to be the cheapest for meboth the power supply is 2Ahttps://pt.aliexpress.com/item/4001290520316.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.668c60d3dUDEA1&algo_pvid=e4fb7a6c-d2f0-45d0-bd96-c9b55ce58c35&algo_expid=e4fb7a6c-d2f0-45d0-bd96-c9b55ce58c35-17&btsid=0b0a556716095324009312077ea536&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/4001265053837.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.1.4e334c82cEDYA1&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.169870.0&scm_id=1007.13339.169870.0&scm-url=1007.13339.169870.0&pvid=73591310-1c99-4d4e-a247-eea41327344d&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller,scm-url:1007.13339.169870.0,pvid:73591310-1c99-4d4e-a247-eea41327344d,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2315_668%23888%233325%236_668%232846%238113%231998_668%232717%237558%23159_668%231000022185%231000066058%230_668%233468%2315615%23681

author: classicsamus87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2021, 09:46:46 am
content: question above