AI clones will attend meetings for you, according to Zoom's CEO - Page 1
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author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2024, 04:34:53 am
content: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/3/24168733/zoom-ceo-ai-clones-digital-twins-videoconferencing-decoder-interviewSounds nice!

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 29, 2024, 06:48:33 am
content: Can I hold Zoom accountable if AI makes a stupid decision on my behalf?The bigger question is, if a meeting can occur even when I'm not there, then either (a) What's the purpose/point of the meeting in the first place, or (b) Why was I invited if I didn't need to be?Sounds like Zoom just want people to have meetings for the sake of meetings, which is the opposite I'm doing in my organisation. Meetings are for delivering significant or complex information, or to decide on the direction of a specific thing. If else, write me an email.I remember when VTC was all the craze. Everyone had to have a video teleconference just so they could use their new, expensive equipment. Were those meetings necessary? Largely no.

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2024, 05:12:58 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on June 29, 2024, 06:48:33 amPlenty of very profitable use of fake AI meeting.... Well, at least USD $25.6 millions worth.South China Morning Post(SCMP) February 4 2024 Article: "... ... ‘Everyone looked real’: multinational firm’s Hong Kong office losesHK$200 million after scammers stage deepfake video meeting. ... A multinational company lost HK$200 million (US$25.6 million) in a scam after employees at its Hong Kong branch were fooled by deepfake technology, with one incident involvinga digitally recreated version of its chief financial officer ordering money transfers in a video conference call, police said. ..."link:https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3250851/everyone-looked-real-multinational-firms-hong-kong-office-loses-hk200-million-after-scammers-stageThe small ones are...Remote work. Besides cheap"Automatic Mouse Mover" that can create fake mouse movements to pretend to work, now you can also attend Zoom meetings while you are... well, doing something else and pretend to work.Scam Dating sites-- you never know who you are getting. Link below youtube: "China is now Making Fake Women"Edit:- Removed original replu (copy/paste error and missing paragraph) then instead of edit, added as reply, so original was removed.- Corrected paragraph order error due to copy/paste error during original posting.- Added bold

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2024, 10:11:01 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on June 29, 2024, 06:48:33 amGood question, obviously something that will come up more and more often as AI progresses, Zoom or not. The general answer still doesn't exist, but if we consider - as it should be - this as a tool that you use, then *you* will be responsible. Isn't that nice? (And then you'll be able to sue the company that provides such tool if you have enough evidence, the usual with any product.)No company selling "AI" will want to be held accountable, that would never work for them, imagine that. So that's a giant piece of legal crap.Quote from: Halcyon on June 29, 2024, 06:48:33 amAbsolutely, but by that question, you are questioning a major part of the projected use of so-called "AI".What is the projected purpose of humans at the workplace if a large part, or most of their work can be delegated to AI? Where is the line?Quote from: Halcyon on June 29, 2024, 06:48:33 amYes, of course. A company does nothing but stuff that's supposed to make it more profitable.But when they have that much presence in the online meeting market, they have the ability to shape trends and shape our future, it goes unfortunately way beyond just business.And the question of meetings, especially in large organizations, is almost always a painful one, so Zoom is trying to jump on a very real issue here, even if the whole question is indeed screwed up from the start.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2024, 11:55:07 pm
content: IMO, the day that AI can replace someone in a meeting will be the last day that that person has a job in that industry.Be careful what you wish for!

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2024, 12:46:58 am
content: Next AI clones will do your work for you!Uh oh ... this is going in a bad direction for employees.

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2024, 05:53:58 pm
content: Quote from: xrunner on June 30, 2024, 12:46:58 amIt may take a while longer, but it will happen.AI is not ready to deal with real world problems yet. According to a June 17 ,2024 Fortune magazine article,McDonald "just fired its drive-thru AI and is turning to humans instead." Their halting the voice order system test is in part due to it having problems taking order accurately.If it can't even deal with simple fast food ordering from a limited menu, anyone stupid enough to use AI for meetings will be noticed. They would be and should be fired.Long term, AI will "win". AI will reach and then exceed the average IQ of human. So while today we don't have a problem yet, but it is looming problem to come.References: "McDonald’s just fired its drive-thru AI and is turning to humans instead" article link:https://fortune.com/2024/06/17/mcdonalds-ai-order-taking-drive-thru-ends/

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2024, 09:46:47 am
content: It is still an open question whether it's possible for us to build a computer as intelligent and adaptable as the human brain. At least at any practical scale and within our lifetimes.Current AI models certainly show promise when it comes to understanding data based on their training set, but they're incapable of self training. That means I can't go and say to ChatGPT, actually, this is the answer to the problem you tried to solve. It will remember it for the session only, because it can't alter its model parameters in a way that doesn't just result in the model falling on its face.The other problem is power; something like GPT-4o is possibly 3-4x larger than ChatGPT-3.5 which itself is a 175B data, 350GB model. So we are looking at around 1TB of model data for a language-vision processing model. That is not inconsiderable when that all needs to be kept in RAM and the amount of GPU compute to execute the model is astounding. You are talking about datacenter scale processing to replace minimum wage call centre workers. The economics don't stack up yet.The brain gets around these problems by being a biological machine that can grow and adapt, weakening neuronal paths that are not frequently used and growing ones that are well used. If someone can build a model to replicate that, then we are a lot more screwed.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2024, 12:02:44 am
content: Also very efficient: the human brain draws a couple tens of W.