Pocket Multimeter Shootout - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 08:04:18 am
content: This video has been hanging around for ages now, but I'm finally making preps to do it.I have 8 pocket meters:Amprobe PM51A (Brymen BM22)UNI-T UT10ASANWA PM3DER EE DE-19SHIOKI 3244-60ANENG AN8203Digitech XB-866KYORITSU 1018HThe main requirement is true shirt pocket size with case and fixed leads, no removable leads.Setting up a comparison spreadsheet.Planing to make the video in two parts. One is a quick overview and summary of each meter (1-2 min each?) and declaring the winner(s). The other will be all the in-depth testing.Comment invited.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 08:37:57 am
content: I think the UT10A has been discontinued, replaced by the UT120A and UT120C. Old stock might still be available online for a while.

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 09:10:34 am
content: I suggest a scoring system, and deciding on a 'winner' at the end.

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 09:18:59 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on July 27, 2017, 08:37:57 amI have the UT120A somewhere, but I havent used it for a long time. It just feels veey cheap and toy like. Apparat from safety concerns...Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 09:25:40 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on July 27, 2017, 08:37:57 amWoah, they claim ETL certified?http://www.uni-trend.com/productsdetail_1950_1100_1100.html

author: The Soulman
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 09:35:33 am
content: Also asses the kink protection on the fixed (and as cheap as they could find 'em) test leads, that is a real week spot on these meters.If you do find a "winner" send it over to joeqsmith and see what he thinks of it.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 09:54:29 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 27, 2017, 09:25:40 amA and B models are definitely listed. Haven't seen the C model on the Intertek site yet. It is probably not listed because of its current ranges.http://etlwhidirectory.etlsemko.com/WebClients/ITS/DLP/products.nsf/4c8700f3b75987a08525777700583333/1983b42d5046baa78625812900118263?OpenDocument

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 09:56:07 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on July 27, 2017, 09:54:29 amAre any other Uni-T meters ETL listed?I'm stunned that they would do this on a cheap pocket meter

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 10:05:55 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 27, 2017, 08:04:18 amWhy would you make that a requirement? If removable leads make a meter more bulky, that should be scored as a negative. But otherwise, I think removabe (and hence replaceable) leads are a benefit. The fixed leads -- often without proper kink protection where they enter the meter -- are a reliability concern, and potentially a safety concern in my eyes.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 10:10:08 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 27, 2017, 09:56:07 amPlenty are. Especially the latest models:UT 139/61/33/132/151/171/105/106/181

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 10:13:07 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on July 27, 2017, 10:05:55 amFor me test leads need to be non remouvable for a pocket sized Meter too. But if they arent of good qulity and there is no realy strain reliev, they break.Thats another thing I dont like about the UT120A. I have to find it and take a closer look at it. I hope dindt threw it away in the meantime.Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 10:21:54 am
content: The pocket meter I use is the Sanwa PS8A, always bring it with me.

author: plazma
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 10:26:03 am
content: The Aneng looks like rebranded Victor VC921. The TrueRMS version is hackable witt extra buttons and UART output. I wonder if the Aneng version is as good.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 10:27:35 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on July 27, 2017, 10:05:55 amMy shootout, my rules

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 10:35:11 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 27, 2017, 10:27:35 amFair enough ;-)Don't forget the "kink stress test" then -- maybe Sagan can help with that?

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 10:56:28 am
content: Quote from: Rbastler on July 27, 2017, 10:13:07 amThe UT120 has a rubber grommet for stress relief.

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:07:12 am
content: I dont remember it beeing goodSent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:13:11 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on July 27, 2017, 10:56:15 amIn my opinion a meter that is very small and fits nearly everywhere. I think thats rather hard to achiev with remouvable leads. Thats wy I want a pocket dmm with fixed leads.Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:29:09 am
content: Quote from: Rbastler on July 27, 2017, 11:07:12 amOn closer inspection, it is more of a plastic retainer, molded tight on the leads to prevent stress on the PCB connections.

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:33:44 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on July 27, 2017, 11:28:19 amThats your opinion. I respect that.Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 01:56:30 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on July 27, 2017, 11:28:19 amHave you used a real pocket wallet type multimeter?The entire meter plus the fixed leads fits in less volume than just the test leads of a removable lead "pocket" meter would take with all their tangled mess.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 02:14:16 pm
content: Can you please include the Fluke 867B in the shootout? It fits in my cargo pants pocket (Belt and braces required).

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 02:20:13 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on July 27, 2017, 02:14:16 pmLooks like the perfect form factor, but it has detachable leads -- sorry!

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 02:36:15 pm
content: No Uni-T UT120C?Best multimeter case ever...

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 03:07:24 pm
content: I guess the 4000 count Victor VICTOR VC921 matches the bill:There's a similar looking Aneng (and a few other brands), but the letters on the display seem a bit smaller (might be just the images).It's nice that these $10 pocket meters are 4000 counts. Edit: The Aneng is already included.Among the cheapest (pocket meters, not 4000 count) is also a DT variant,$4-5 But I guess this one isn't interesting.The cheapest would be this one, but detachable leads, so no go:

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 03:24:04 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on July 27, 2017, 11:28:19 amSimple, useful and non-expensive meters, that's definitely interesting to see.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 03:31:24 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on July 27, 2017, 11:28:19 amSo? Dave's shootout, Dave's rules!FWIW, I'm with Dave. I want a "shirtpocket meter" to be completely enclosed in a case/wallet.eg. This meter is tiny but I wouldn't want it in a shirt pocket, not with those leads flapping around.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 03:45:42 pm
content: I'm sure shirt pocket multimeters have their place.But how did we ever manage without multimeter shirts?Goes to show that there's a market for just about everything...

author: tronde
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 04:06:55 pm
content: I agree about AN101.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 04:29:46 pm
content: Quote from: tronde on July 27, 2017, 04:06:55 pmThat one would count as "shirt pocket" in my book because it's completely self-contained and would fit nicely with no metal spikes or bulges.Still, Dave's shootout, Dave's rules. If he disallows it, then...

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 04:54:22 pm
content: Dangerous piece of kit, with bare metal jack inserts. Someone should also tell Aneng there is no such thing as CAT II 500V.Handle with gloves only!

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 05:00:08 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on July 27, 2017, 04:54:22 pmNobody here would be buying it for the CAT rating or for use on the local substation, so...Quote from: Wytnucls on July 27, 2017, 04:54:22 pmGood advice forANYmeter if you're going near mains electricity. Yes - even a Fluke 87V!

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 05:32:31 pm
content: I'd buy such a meter just to check some stuff I may find on a scrapyard or at a fleamarket/garage sale and battery powered projects.So CAT ratings and the bare metal jacks, woud'nt be a problem for me.Plus in my opinion such a "shirt pocket meter" isn't really the first choice for a beginner either, so I woudn't be as concernd them buying it, as with say the AN8008 or similar.Edit: On such a small meter, I woudn't unplug the measurment leads anyway. Which makes having a meter with remouvable ones for me kinda pointless. Excpet the meter itself proofs to be good.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 08:03:04 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 27, 2017, 05:00:08 pmThis will be a video aimed at the general public. It would be unethical to promote a meter which disregards international safety norms. This one is a non starter, except perhaps as an example of how not to make a safe pocket meter. There are plenty pocket meters out there with proper CAT ratings for a shootout (Brymen, Uni-T, CEM, Amprobe, Hioki, Kyoritsu, etc...).

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 08:21:43 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on July 27, 2017, 04:54:22 pmAgree, the gloves make it 100% safe. There is no way you could get the test tips out of their protective enclosure while wearing those gloves!

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 08:28:46 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on July 27, 2017, 08:37:57 amGiven this, I think that reviewing a UT10A would be a waste of time.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 10:53:48 pm
content: That UT10A, CAT II 300V meter is auto-ranging and it can even measure frequency. It handled 3KV transients from my low energy generator with no problems at all. This was 1KV higher than what I damaged the pre-production 121GW at. It started to break down at 4KV. I made a few attempts open things up but had no luck with it. With such a low breakdown, I decided run the second generator with it and it did a little dance for me in appreciation.What I remember most about that particular meter is it had THE WORST SELECTOR SWITCH I have EVER seen on a handheld. Smooth is not an adjective I would use to describe it.https://youtu.be/QNRFTMk8MVI?t=2359

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:02:46 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 27, 2017, 10:53:48 pmDid you have a chance to try the cheap analog MF-110A? Might be a competitor in that regard, albeit probably the only regard.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:04:58 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on July 27, 2017, 08:28:46 pmUnfortunately I don't have a UT120B yet (on order), and I plan on shooting the video today.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:09:54 pm
content: Quote from: kalel on July 27, 2017, 03:07:24 pmFrom a feature standpoint, this was my favorite of three I looked but that's not saying much. Attached picture showing after a strike. My Fluke 101 just laughs at this sort of transient!I wonder what that HIOKI Dave has could handle....

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:11:04 pm
content: If people want other meters included then this will delay the shootout by weeks (it takes many weeks to get meters here from Chinese sellers).I lose enthusiasm real quick, just saying...BTW I should have a UT120B by Monday or Tuesday hopefully.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:19:56 pm
content: I would say run with what you have at hand, if you added a couple more to the line up and ordered and waited for them to turn up from overseas there is always the risk that they could arrive faulty or not at all.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:22:03 pm
content: Quote from: kalel on July 27, 2017, 11:02:46 pmSorry but I have not. It appears not to have a fuse so it could be ran. Problem is getting a good baseline. Maybe buy 10 of them and pick the best one of the pile?https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/140039902.htmlQuote from: EEVblog on July 27, 2017, 11:11:04 pmConsider this my official, no I do not want you to increase the number of pocket meters in the shoot out. If you find a new way to destroy them in the end I'm certainly not going to give you a thumbs down over it!

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:24:49 pm
content: Might be worthwhile waiting for the UT120B, since you ordered it. Your call.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:27:04 pm
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on July 27, 2017, 11:19:56 pmWell I'm shooting some footage today regardless. Likely won't finish today, so can probably wait for the UT120B and include that at the last minute.But if people want the AN101 included then it will be some time.The idea was I can always add more meters to the spreadsheet as they come to hand/market.

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:29:27 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 27, 2017, 11:11:04 pmIt might be reasonable to have the UT in the video then, but it's your choice. As for other meters, yeah, it would take some time to arrive as everything else.Quote from: joeqsmith on July 27, 2017, 11:22:03 pmJust like the Fluke 101 then?Right, just like...I'm sure it might have some uses though. I don't have a brand new intact one so it's hard to tell how the other units are, but there are many surprises inside (quality wise), even comparing to the similarly priced DT830 versions.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:35:45 pm
content: A follow up or sequel never killed anybody, except the villians.

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:36:35 pm
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on July 27, 2017, 11:35:45 pmAbsolutely, especially when enough meters stack up. I'm sure new ones will appear sooner or later, with more and more interesting features, or at least specs.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:50:00 pm
content: There is the LAOA LA814103 that looks strangely like the UNI-T UT120C for double the price, but it has one huge feature apparently:It is the only multimeter that you can safely use underwater it seems.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LAOA-Thin-Multimeter-Automatic-Range-Multifunction-Electronic-Electrician-Dedicated-Pocket-Digital-Multimeter-LA814103/32788308160.html?

author: lowimpedance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2017, 11:53:58 pm
content: @ Dave , Ask Charles at TRIO test if he has one of these in stock.Extech DM220. Might not be a true wallet style but should be easy to get hold of and add to the follow up testing.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 12:00:49 am
content: Quote from: amspire on July 27, 2017, 11:50:00 pmThis meter gets my vote for the most mechanically robust meter. I think these are ultrasonically welded together and the plastic is thick. Getting mine apart destroyed the case. But as tough as it was, it was not tougher than my lightweight transient generator...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 01:41:33 am
content: Just tried to get a UT120C from a nearby seller but out of stock in two locations.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 01:43:59 am
content: Tougher than a Canadian winter... These were some funny videos. Of course no one ever actually tested them to see if there was any damage and no one looked at zapping them... Where was the It's tougher than a MOT? It's tougher then an MSD ignition?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 01:58:55 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 28, 2017, 12:00:49 amYes I took one through a mud obstacle course:

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 02:00:38 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 28, 2017, 01:41:33 amI'm pretty sure Supercheap Auto have them but they are double the price of Banggood so keep your receipt for the refund sequence, also Jaycar were clearing out some pocket meters at a discounted price but availability may also be limited.Don't forget that some other people including forum members have already done video reviews of some models, Joe created some smoke in one and Lightages had a review thread on the UT-10A going back to 2011.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 02:04:44 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on July 28, 2017, 01:17:19 amMy generators are more like the handle side of a plastic butter knife than a sledge.I was doing some actual testing a few years ago and the generator I was using was a couple of 5' or so 19" racks. A small one like this would be fun to have for the meters that crap out at low levels on mine. It may give people a better sense of what if than my little toy ones.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 02:05:35 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on July 28, 2017, 02:00:38 amNo stock in any local stocks despite the website saying they do. I just went on a wild goose chase.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 02:13:50 am
content: Oh well not to worry, leave the stress for the meters and not yourself, pretty sure nobody here is in a panic.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 02:28:00 am
content: This company may have it:http://www.tobins.com.au/DisplayItem.php?item=UT120C

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 04:04:04 am
content: I'm not sold yet on these pocket toys,they still occupy valuable pocket space,they can can fall out and smashor the leads pop out, snag and rip a shirt pocketa Cat 1Multimeter Watchis the way to go, with retractable leadsWaterproofVolts, cap/diode/temp test,Ohms/Buzzer/Silent Vibrator,24/7 clock and user heart rate/pulse tooIt's 2017, decades after Detective Dick Tracy,and no one has thought of it?

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 07:18:37 am
content: QuoteIt's an interesting meter so if there's a tracking number and know for sure it will arrive in a couple of days, then... I'd wait.Quote from: EEVblog on July 27, 2017, 11:27:04 pmA $5 meter is unlikely to win any prizes. Not worth holding back the shootout.

author: Robaroni
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 12:19:10 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 28, 2017, 01:58:55 amDave,You are an unceasing source of entertainment! You do know how to have geek fun, what a blast!

author: Testing123
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 01:09:32 pm
content: Quote from: TheAmmoniacal on July 27, 2017, 09:10:34 am+1

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 01:19:38 pm
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on July 28, 2017, 04:04:04 amAlmost impossible to smash them, they simply don't have enough mass, and any case/wallet takes the impact nicely anyway.I've dropped the wallet type countless times onto a concrete floor no problem. I carried one for years in a daily production environment.QuoteThat's what a wallet/case is for.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 01:27:25 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 28, 2017, 01:19:38 pmThe UT120C has the best case. You'll know that as soon as you see it in real life.

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 01:36:04 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 28, 2017, 01:27:25 pmThe case is indeed build well. It could just be a tiny bit larger, so the probes fit more easily. I remember, when I had the A Version in my backpack, that the leads didn't fit easy.Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2017, 02:17:06 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on July 28, 2017, 12:00:49 amAs they are welded, are they without fuses/current measurement?

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2017, 06:47:02 pm
content: Quote from: kalel on July 28, 2017, 02:17:06 pmNo fuse, no current. A VERY limited resistance test. The Fluke 101 is feature rich by comparison and electrically, far more robust. But if your only criteria is a mechanically sound case design, this meter is worth having a look at.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2017, 07:25:09 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on July 27, 2017, 10:10:08 amSome if not all of the Danaher Amprobe AM-4xx and 5xx series were even certified for EN 61326. Unlike many UNI-Ts I have looked at, including their high end 181A, the two Amprobe meters at least survived the grill starter..The report may be found here:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjSxOfqm6_VAhWC44MKHah4BOIQFggrMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent.amprobe.com%2Fcertifications%2FAM450EUR_EMC.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGR9Zg5_LXspp6K24hVgQk2jVbhOw

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 31, 2017, 06:07:38 am
content: Hmm, bit of a spanner in the works perhaps, but I'm currently speaking to a manufacturer who has a new model pocket meter and it looks fantastic on paper, so looking to get one. But I don't believe it's currently available anywhere.BTW, the Uni-T meter didn't turn up today.

author: dos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2017, 01:14:11 pm
content: I actually recently got a Victor VC921 I impulse bought after never owning a real pocket size meter and I can really see the appeal of these things now. It's obviously not something you would use anywhere there's even a whiff of danger but it beats the holy hell out of those harbor freight freebies. I carry it in my bag with a pair of these, which cost a dollar less than the meter itselfhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Brymen-Slip-on-Crocodile-Alligator-Clips-for-2mm-Probe-Tip-Gold-Spring-Contacts-/171302315753Mine has the pad for the hold button so I'm probably going to hack that in at some pointEDIT: Also thought I'd mention that I thought putting the probes back in their caddy would be a pain in the ass but it's really not at all, the leads are kind of bent at the place where they fold to fit in perfectly and with like a few minutes practice it becomes automatic. It feels weird to say this about such a simple device but it's actually a lot of fun to use and I like it a lot

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2017, 02:05:57 pm
content: Quote from: dos on August 04, 2017, 01:14:11 pmDoes it fit an a pocket of a jacket or pants ? I read some reports that it is rather big, compared to other "shirt pocket dmms".I mostly want one for shits and giggles, because I mostly will have my backpack(or any type of carrying possibility) with a fluke 101 with me anyway. But should it occur I dont have any, Id like to carry a meter anyway.Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2017, 02:55:16 pm
content: Quote from: Rbastler on August 04, 2017, 02:05:57 pmAway from home without a bag, but still carrying a multimeter -- now that's dedication to the hobby! (Or profession?)But, now that you mention it, I recall those painful nights at the opera or afternoons in the football stadium where I was stranded without a meter...

author: gnavigator1007
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 04, 2017, 06:02:53 pm
content: Just realised I don't think I've ever seen Dave wear a shirt with a pocket before. I'd imagine quick pulling and replacing these meters in a pocket must be part of testing. Time for shopping spree? Hope there's montage footage set to some appropriate music

author: dos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2017, 10:50:32 pm
content: Quote from: Rbastler on August 04, 2017, 02:05:57 pmYes, it's roughly front shirt pocket sized. Here it is next to some things for scale

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 06:05:56 am
content: Realised I forgot Amprobe DM78CI think it's an important contender.RS have one, but $139+GST

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 06:22:55 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 11, 2017, 06:05:56 amNice collection. Digitech design is kind of MP3/MP4 player styled?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 06:39:14 am
content: Pretty sure I won't include the Digitech QM1328 as it uses standard leads and has no case. If I include that then I guess I have to include the AN8008 and Fluke 101 etc

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 07:03:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 11, 2017, 06:39:14 amI meant the yellow one, not sure about the number. Looks a bit like an MP3/MP4 player.

author: MrW0lf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 09:14:31 am
content: Quote from: lowimpedance on July 27, 2017, 11:53:58 pmSeems same thing as PeakTech 1020 Ahttp://www.peaktech.de/productdetail/kategorie/digital---handmultimeter/produkt/p-1020.htmlNot strictly shirt pocket format, but been very reliable little puppy. Drag it around for years now - zero problems. That huge mains indicator lights up from very far away and can save the day, or maybe even life.Seems that version currently on sale has replaceable probes now (inline connectors on cable, not by sockets on DMM).

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 10:11:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 11, 2017, 06:39:14 amI was going to ask about that one when I saw the photo.I thought removable leads wereverboten?

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 10:14:58 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on August 11, 2017, 10:11:34 amThen the Aneng would need to go too.But Id give that one a pass, because its all in one case.Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: hans_ober
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 01:16:28 pm
content: You need to do a $50 and $100 shootout too. Been some time since you looked at that range.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 01:46:22 pm
content: Quote from: Rbastler on August 11, 2017, 10:14:58 amThen the Aneng would need to go too.But Id give that one a pass, because its all in one case.Correct.The Digitech one uses standard 4mm plugs and large full size probes, so I therefore deem it not to be a proper "pocket" meter, it's a "compact" meter.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 01:49:23 pm
content: Will start shooting this tomorrow.The Amprobe is on order and I can include that at the last minute as it will likely take a couple of days to shoot this and compile the info.

author: idpromnut
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 02:50:40 pm
content: @EEVBlog: I am expecting some cheesy packet multimeter quick-draw intro to this video! Complete with pocket-protectors and dramatic close-ups!

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 03:26:36 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 11, 2017, 01:49:23 pmLooking forward to the video already.

author: ciccio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 05:04:50 pm
content: Quote from: MrW0lf on August 11, 2017, 09:14:31 amI have one: nice tool, but:a) the display cannot be easily read from below (when the meter is horizontal on the bench) because the display is too recessed from front panelb) at switch-on it defaults to AC volts, a little annoying for meIt's a nice instrument, the Non Contat voltage tester works very well. It has no case, so you must use a rubberband to keep the cables from creating a mess in the toolbox.I could never find a way to open it without breaking the case.. any suggeston?

author: MrW0lf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2017, 07:05:16 pm
content: Quote from: ciccio on August 11, 2017, 05:04:50 pmNo suggestion about opening, but heres one about using on bench:https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2121969Think AC is safety measure. I use it mostly to solve "general household problems" that deal mostly with AC. Or stuff in dirty environment - construction site, checking fishing boat battery etc. Not IP rated but clearly built with harsh use in mind. If not see it in this contest, then maybe in next - "compact DMMs in enterntainingly dirty conditions"Perhaps one can first open zombies heads with U1282A and then poke around with rugged compact

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 04:22:19 am
content: OPINION NEEDED:I just got this Sanwa PM300 pocket meter:http://www.sanwa-meter.co.jp/prg_data/goods/img/PH61491811587.pdfBut I was looking at potentially reselling this one (initially without EEVblog branding), and have a quote and permission to resell it.Now, that potentially puts me into a vested interest position if I include this in the shootout.What do people think, will people trust my openness in a shootout in which I sell one of the meters? (of course I'll be upfront about it)Although I haven't tested it yet, it might well win the shootout in terms of "cost is no object" metric. The range switch is to die for, CAT IV rated, solid case, gorgeous TPU case (but very thick), gold probes, good strain relief, and it kills all the others in build quality and look and feel.But it is by far the most expensive meter, I'd have to retail for probably US$75. So it wouldn't win any bang-per-buck metric.Opinions please...

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 04:30:01 am
content: I say that you should include it. Nobody is immune to bias but if you state it then people can take your opinion with a grain of salt. You might also want to state that the Amprobe PM51A is made by Brymen and because you sell the BM235 that your opinion might be biased with it too.I believe you are an honest person and would not lie to people to make a buck. That does not mean you could lie to yourself and therefore pass that lie on to others. Just be open and stop worrying about the people who might be suspicious of anything you say.

author: plazma
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 04:34:58 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 14, 2017, 04:22:19 amTrue RMS and 6000 count. I wonder what the chipset is.

author: noidea
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 04:35:33 am
content: Regards the Sanwa PM300 yes please go for it.I noticed Kyoritsu / KEW have now have an update to the 1018, the 1019R which is True RMS but lacks diode test so is a non starter for me, the PM300 has it which looks promising.http://www.kew-ltd.co.jp/en/products/detail/00023/Is there any chance you can get hold of one of the KEW mini clamp pocket meters to throw in the mix?http://www.kew-ltd.co.jp/en/products/detail/00923/

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 05:00:01 am
content: Definitely include the Sanwa. There is no problem reporting the facts. Subjective views, such as "I just love this meter" are fine as long as we know you have an interest in the meter. Anyway, it is your site - nothing wrong with promoting items that help pay for the site.If you over-promote the Sanwa meter, you know you will spark off a deluge of a few hundred posts arguing the matter. Hard to be more open then that.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 08:01:11 am
content: Quote from: amspire on August 14, 2017, 05:00:01 amThat happens if I cough the wrong way

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 10:34:33 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 14, 2017, 04:22:19 amI think you should include it with that acknowledgment. It might also explain why you want to resell the meter itself.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 10:36:25 am
content: Nothing wrong with having categories of winners:Under $20Over $50etc.

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 10:38:52 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on August 14, 2017, 10:36:25 amAgreed

author: MacMeter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 11:32:46 am
content: Review it, curious to see what might make it worth 2-3x more then the average cheap pocket meters.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 11:55:47 am
content: Quote from: plazma on August 14, 2017, 04:34:58 amHY12P66Just opened it at home and it's very nice!GDT + PTC protection for the CAT IV rating.Selectable auto power off and beep off.

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 02:20:06 pm
content: Just curious, what is this element?Excuse the lack of knowledge.

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 03:04:40 pm
content: Could be a gas discharge elementSent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: noidea
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 03:10:19 pm
content: Yes it is the GDT the GAP on the silkscreen is typically Japanese terminology for them.If you follow the trace on the underside of the PCB it joins the common terminal to the PTC connected to the + terminal

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 04:44:19 pm
content: Have we got one of these?http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Multimeter-Pocket-Mini-Auto-Ranging-Digital-Multimeter-Tester-Portable-/222504694302?var=&hash=item33ce50321e:m:m7rXOuLilgpE3T5tE8ivYow

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 04:51:50 pm
content: Looks more like a Fluke 101. So it doesnt fit in the scheme of a shirt dmm. Too big.Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 05:17:20 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on August 14, 2017, 04:44:19 pmThat's a horribly photoshopped image, I'm pretty sure it's much smaller. The ZT102 is the original OEM's name for the AN8002, which has been discussed here ad infinitum on other threads, together with its sibling models.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 05:53:43 pm
content: Looks like the same person also owns one of these:

author: MacMeter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 06:19:42 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on August 14, 2017, 05:53:43 pmYeah, with all the meters that guy had for his shirt pocket, he can only AFFORD, one SHIRT!

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 06:23:58 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on August 14, 2017, 05:17:20 pmNah, I'm sure that photo is just showing a person with very small hands and a small shirt pocket.(Who is living in a world of even illumination and no shadows...)

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 06:37:58 pm
content: Quote from: MacMeter on August 14, 2017, 06:19:42 pmThe Zotek meter and the shirt colors match perfectly,I'm betting there's a lady involved in the photo shoot

author: dos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 06:56:14 pm
content: That Sanwa meter looks great and I'd like to see it in the review (perhaps with a "full disclosure" statement). If you'll definitely be selling unbranded ones I will probably get in line to buy one.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 07:33:53 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 14, 2017, 04:22:19 amI certainly would like to know how it performs, with the appropriate disclaimers/disclosures.Of course, if it wins hands down due to all the extra cost put into it, then also identifying the second best, best bang-for-the-buck, or similar, would be beneficial in general as well as for those who may dismiss the Sanwa solely due to the commercial ties.

author: dos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 09:19:57 pm
content: Are Sanwa anything like what they used to be? I seem to remember them having averygood reputation for analog multimeters back in the day, but I was a kid back then and haven't heard anything since (haven't looked though). Do they still do their designs in house or is it just something by a Chinese firm with a famous name on it? Just about every product I have that's actually designed andmadein Japan has really impressed me, from my Toyota to the Sony PVM on my desk. Never had a Japanese piece of electronic test equipment though, for whatever reason they don't really seem to have penetrated that market in the west at the lower end consumer/hobbyist levels, apart from Hakko of course, but soldering irons are kind of a different beast.EDIT: Some googling brought me to this model which looks like a higher end version of that PM300:http://www.sanwa-meter.co.jp/prg_data/goods/img/PH61491811555.pdfEDIT2: Disregard that, it's actually a larger meter with permanently attached leads, not pocket size. Why you would do that on a full size device is mystifying.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 09:24:23 pm
content: Quote from: Rbastler on August 14, 2017, 03:04:40 pmYes, it's a GDT, Gas Discharge Tube. Common to label them "GAP", as in a spark gap because that's basically what it is.Basically the equivalent to a MOV. Companies like Gossen prefer them over MOV's.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 09:27:01 pm
content: Quote from: dos on August 14, 2017, 06:56:14 pmPretty sure I will, because you simply can't buy it anywhere except Japan.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 09:28:31 pm
content: Quote from: dos on August 14, 2017, 09:19:57 pmCuriously this one is made in China!But I'm sure it's 100% designed and certified by Sanwa.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 09:38:06 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 14, 2017, 04:22:19 amDefinitely include it.. I have no problem with that.. You stated it openly and I don't think you will be unfair...As far as fanboy bias goes, neither you or I are responsible for that!

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2017, 11:32:36 pm
content: Gents, would two of these pocket meters fit/cram into a shirt pocket ?Assuming a real shirt pocket, not todays straightjacket 'fitted' rag fashionsWould be nice to cart around a shirt pocket sized lab, if one of the two meters can do 'current'

author: Geoff_S
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2017, 05:39:52 am
content: I guess the Sanwa PM33a "Hybrid pocket size DMM" might be a bit too big, despite the name ??

author: JimmyJo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2017, 10:44:32 am
content: What about the Kew mate 2000 series?http://www.kew-ltd.co.jp/en/products/detail/00922/

author: noidea
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2017, 11:59:03 am
content: Quote from: JimmyJo on August 15, 2017, 10:44:32 amHaha, I suggested the true RMS version of this on the previous page!Strangely enough the true RMS version is cheaper than the non RMS version, in Australia anyway.Dave I hope you give consideration to the potential longevity of the test leads in your review. I used to know a few techs with the Kew mate mini clamps and they all used to break the leads just out of the strain relief, from being wound and unwound all the time.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2017, 04:05:38 pm
content: Quote from: JimmyJo on August 15, 2017, 10:44:32 amStop the presses...We have a winner in the "no holds barred" category!(it even has a bar graph from the looks of that)Edit:$200+ USD. Ouch!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 05:47:53 am
content: I've just ordered stock of the Sanwa PM300 and will be selling it.Not because it's the best pocket meter (that's a "depends" thing), but because I really like it, it's premium quality, and not available practically anywhere else. Exactly the type of product I'm looking to resell.Sanwa branded to start with, but the internal white border around the screen with the Sanwa name can just be removed if you open it up, so might get some custom window frame made to go with it.

author: dos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 06:06:29 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 05:47:53 amRad, can you mention a (rough) price yet?

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 09:03:17 am
content: I don't know, Dave... Suddenly this whole pocket meter shootout looks like just a nicely orchestrated marketing gig to get attention for your new Sanwa meter.Thank you for being open about your commercial interest; that helps to keep things above-board. But personally I'm losing interest in the shootout video under these circumstances.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 09:29:22 am
content: He has been talking about doing this pocket multimeter shootout for around three years that I know of so I seriously doubt that it is just a ploy to flog stuff.

author: dos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 12:22:01 pm
content: Honestly I like the idea of getting what by any measure looks like a cool exclusive product and I'm glad it's going to be sold free of EEVBlog branding (nothing personal, just don't like "custom" stuff, from anybody).Howeverusing what's supposed to be an objective review video as a vehicle for announcing it does put me off a bit. Ideally I would like to see the shootout without it and then a separate video all about the Sanwa. It's probably not even in the same price/quality bracket as all those ultra budget pocket meters anyway. This is probably not going to happen.If I'm going to be 100% honest I feel like a lot of people on youtube (by no means just you, and by no means are you anywhere near the worst) are really starting to blur the line between what's "real" and what's product placement in the past year or so. I feel like there's some "agreement" between EEVBlog and Keysight for example, but since there's no disclosure I can't really confirm it and feel like I might just need to pull out a tinfoil hat or something. Like a brand new low end Keysight scope gets released, it's sitting in your lab, gets like 4 or 5 videos devoted to it, and there's no real hard hitting talk about how the thing actually stacks up compared to other budget models or what it's like to use? The EEVBlog I remember would have been alloverthat, with an in depth test of every performance metric and a value for money comparison with other choices. If I'm completely wrong, sorry for misinterpreting things. I genuinely wanted to see how that scope measured up because I'm in the market for a new one around that price, so I kinda picked up on how nobody with a well known channel is actuallyreviewingthe thing, just kind of advertising it's existence.The thing is, you gotta eat and most of us understand that. Just try to understand how it looks from this end, and that people actually appreciate it when something is clearly stated as product placement. We get it, any channel of a certain production value needs sponsorship. The eyeballs are still looking at it. When stuff starts to feel too much like a trick, like you have to spend too much mental energy trying to read between the lines to enjoy it, the eyeballs go looking for something more real, and this being the internet there isalwayssomething more real. The whole reason for the success of youtube and the slow death of TV is that on the former you can actually find content that's not slick advertising designed to funnel money from your pockets into the pockets of people with more money than you. Don't become TV.E: Also, because this seems rant-y I want to mention that I really do appreciate what you and others like you do and absolutely think you should get paid the big bucks to do it. I just wish there was some way that didn't involve blurring the line between the content I genuinely love and an advertisement, but sadly that's probably where the biggest bucks are

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 12:56:36 pm
content: @dos: Thank you for taking the time and wording your concerns carefully. My thoughts exactly, but you did a better job explaining them than I did two posts above! -- I like your proposal to exclude the Sanwa from the shootout review, and do a separate video on it a bit later.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 12:59:26 pm
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on August 16, 2017, 09:29:22 amYes, go check the various threads on this forum including lists of meters and probably a photo or two of the meters I've had for a long time now. And I got serious about this again recently before even finding this PM300 meter. All verifiable on twitter & this forum.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 01:03:30 pm
content: Quote from: dos on August 16, 2017, 06:06:29 amNot cheap, probably US$75

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 01:03:57 pm
content: I still would like to see the meter in the shootout, but more for a comparison, like the Fluke 87V was used in the other dmm shootouts.Id be fine fine also with including it in the shootout competition, as long its clearly stated that there are/could be a conflict of interest. Not mentioning that would be really misleading.Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: dos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 01:35:16 pm
content: Quote from: Rbastler on August 16, 2017, 01:03:57 pmThat sounds like a good compromise to me as well. Making a $75 pocket meter the winner does nothing to help people who couldn't afford to spend that on abenchmeter, which is probably most of the people genuinely interested in an in depth comparison of very cheap meters. As a standard against which the ones affordable to the common man are held though, it both removes the conflict and makes the Sanwa look in a class of it's own- good for everyone.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 01:37:46 pm
content: Quote from: dos on August 16, 2017, 12:22:01 pmThere are several other meters in the shootout (including another Sanwa) that are US$50+, so not far from the Sanwa PM300, but it is the most expensive. Several are under $10deliveredQuoteI do zero product placement.If it appears like I am, then, well, nothing I can do about that except tell you that you are wrong and try to explain it.QuoteThere is zero agreement between Keysight and myself, or any other company for that matter.They are probably not all that happy that I haven't gotten around to doing a review of it, and that I did a hacking video of it.Do you seriously think a huge company like Keysightwantsme doing a hacking video? Would that have been part of the "agreement" too? No frigg'n way.Where was the agreement when I did videos exposing their meter for having soldering quality issues, firmware issues, and EMC issues have have forced recalls and redesigns? Half of their company probably hates me for exposing that stuff. And that's what I do to companies that give me stuff for free.I don't do agreements, never have, never will, it's my way or the highway, I'm not afraid to burn bridges.The only agreement I have ever signed are NDA's for various product launches.QuoteErr, surely any "agreement" would have included me doing review videos, yeah?QuoteYou haven't seen such a shotout video because it's a metric shit ton of work. There is probably no greater time consuming video possible than an oscilloscope review shootout.I work on enthusiasm, and it'sreally hardto build up the enthusiasm to do such videos.QuoteYes, you are completely wrong, and demonstrably so.QuoteGuess why!Hint, you only have to scroll back up.QuoteI'll repeat, I dozeroproduct placement.QuoteI don't do sponsorship either.I have been offered many thousands of dollars per video for reviews of all kinds of thing and other sponsored content. Heck, even $5k for simply for a simple embedded pre-roll ad an link at the start of a video. And I have turned down every single one of these offers. I've told companies to literally piss off when they have asked to see video before I release them, or try and dictate terms to me, and some of them have not returned, and I couldn't give a rats arse about that. I have built up reputation among manufacturers as hard arse who doesn't play ball, a lot of them hate me.These terms are detailed publicly on my website BTW.QuoteI couldn't if I tried, I'm just to frigg'n lazy and too poor at marketing.Problem is I will by coincidence have a lot of stuff coming up that might appear like this.I want to do a teardown of my HVP70 I'm selling (already sold most of my first shipment without mentioning it in a video once).I have to crowd fund my new uRuler like I've been promising for years.I've got my uSleeve ESD part storage pouches I've had sitting inboxes for over a year because I've been too lazy to do the simple crowd funder for it.I've got the big 121GW crowd funder in a month or two.And this new Sanwa PM300 will have to slip in there too.And I won't lie, a good lot of my income now comes from product sales, but I hardly push any of it, probably greatly to my detriment.This is necessary for my survival if the ad revenue dries up. The alternative would be for me to take those multi-thousand dollar video sponsorship deals if it came to that.I could plug the shit out of my store and products in every video, and in every video description, but I don't. I have an opt-in email list for product specials etc, and very occasionally post on the forum.QuoteI get paid pretty muchexactly the sameregardless of what videos I do. It's not like using my BM235 meter in a video results in a sudden spike in sales, I couldn't even see that blip in the sales data if I tried.Guess how many people bought my HVP70 probe when I mentioned it and the discount code in my recent video (first time I've even done that BTW) - two.And I'll add that having the products is also a way for me to pay the wages of David2 who is now a full time employee at the EEVblog, being paid real engineering wages (I had to outbid another company to get him). A good lot of his job is to design products so that we can eventually sell them to pay for his wages which also effectively (and hopefully) gets me a a full time employee to help out on various video and other things, not to mention producing spin-off videos of these eventual designs, along with him doing some of his own tutorial videos.In short I'm trying to boot-strap a real business here, one that can generate enough cash flow so that it continues to produce content, while at the same time growing the human resources available to keep it all going and expand where possible.The EEVblog is now two commercial offices, two full time employees, and a part time logisitics person.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 02:16:24 pm
content: Quote from: dos on August 16, 2017, 01:35:16 pmGood idea, but if it's in the shootout then it's gotta be in the shootout. Some of the other meters are the same price as the PM300 depending upon where you buy it.Having had an initial play with these meters, I think it will be impossible to have one winner.I'm not even a fan of the PM300's form factor for a pocket meter, it's too thick for a good shirt pocket meter IMO, I much prefer the thin soft wallet type having carried one of those for years in a production environment.

author: dos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 02:51:44 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 01:37:46 pmI didn't know this, and now it seems much more reasonable to have it in the shootout.Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 01:37:46 pmFor what it's worth I believe you. Butdevil's advocate from here on out: Hackability has sold a shitload of low end hobbyist scopes. Keysight is trying to break into the low end hobbyist scope market: "ditch the toys". They have studied Rigol carefully. I think they would rather see some hype generating hacking than an honest review, since an honest review would have to mention the fact that you get more (bandwidth, memory depth, update rate, decoding, features, etc) for the same price or less with the so called toys (apart from a better level of quality design and construction, which was nicely demonstrated in the teardown. And yes this is very important and one of the reasons I'm considering the Keysight). You can see how this looks from here?Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 01:37:46 pmThat's really good and I am glad there are people with your sense of ethics making content at your level.Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 01:37:46 pmAgain, from looking at the way things were with lots of different big channels itseemedto me like they didn't want people to reallyreviewon purpose, because the scope would not come out looking so great against the "toys". In my mind "agreement" meant more like "make people aware of it, but don't say anything bad or get too nitty-gritty about it's performance. our marketing campaign is aggressively taunting our competitors but our product looks a bit limp against them once you compare the raw data and prices."Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 01:37:46 pmI didn't mean a full on shootout where you pull every scope on the bench, just a standard review of that scope's functionality in particular with verbal mention of how it compares to to other scopes in it's range bang for buck, like you and others have done hundreds of times with hundreds of far less significant scopes. Again I believe you but you can see how it looks when suddenly it's super hard to do one of the things your channel is most famous for, serious critical analysis of affordable test equipment. You can be merciless, and it's part of why I like your channel a lot. I suspect there may be a few really obvious things to be merciless about this scope with so it struck me as odd that not a single even vaguely impolite thing was said about it across like 4 videos. is it really that great?Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 01:37:46 pmBut most of these people have done plenty of in depth reviews of simple budget beginner scopes. I just thought that with such a big name coming in and literally giving them away people would be racing each other to get the full in depth review out, because it's kind of a unique thing. It's not just another InsRiSigWonTek. In fact it's marketing directly calls those guys out, great drama: "They talk a big game but can goliath really outperform david??" shit it's like must see nerd youtube.I'm just explaining my thinking here and showing you that I did consider these things, not trying to refute what you're saying. Think of it as just the paranoid perspective I guess.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 05:02:25 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 12:59:26 pmAll good; I do not claim that you have cunningly planned it this way. But the coinciding timing is what it is now, and it does send an awkward message.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 10:24:21 pm
content: Quote from: dos on August 16, 2017, 02:51:44 pmI can't stop the conspiracy theories.BTW, I said these negative things about the Keysight scope countless times on here if you cared to look. Hardly keeping to any "agreement" to not mention them. Once again, all verifiable and on the record if you cared to go check.QuoteNow you're just jumping the shark.I can assure you, neither me, (and I'm pretty darn sure I can speak for others) has any sort of agreement with the manufactures to do anything. The "deal" is they give us the scope and they hope for the best.Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 01:37:46 pmBecause thereweren'treviewsBTW, I did a video showing some bugs:BTW, just reviews on their own are also a shit ton of work, which is why, if you actually paid attention, I have a whole bunch of scopes I have down teardowns on and not reviews (probably 4-5 of them). I haven't done a full scope review for a long time.Do I have "agreements" with all these companies not to review scopes? Seriously, think about it.I usually do teardown first because they are fairly simple and fun, as was the hacking video etc. I do what interests me.Yes I'd like to do reviews too, but if you'd actually have done one yourself before then you'll know how much work it is. It's hard to get the enthusiasm to start such a video when you know how much work is involved.The other bloggers say the same thing.Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 01:37:46 pmFunny how the world doesn't work the way you want it too huh?I'm assuming you have a scope, please go an do a review for us (video or text, both bothered) and let us know how much work it is.QuoteAnd with that, I'm done. I've tried to explain to why and that's all I can do.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 10:30:39 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on August 16, 2017, 05:02:25 pmPerhaps, but what can I do about it?I'm always looking for premium products to resell that aren't available easily elsewhere, and they are quite rare.What do you want me to do? Do a separate review video of the PM300 first and then only include it in the shootout at all?

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2017, 11:11:08 pm
content: FYI people:the hard working learned host here isn't holding 5kv insulation test probes to your head to buy anything.Whilst I understand and casually observe the trend(all over Youtube BTW)as the shared concerns above,at the end of the day be it coincidence or not, unaware partial product placement, or whatever you want to label it,your pocket does what YOU instruct it to, not what one Youtuber/Blogger 'appears' to sway you over to.I bought some items that EEV tube negatively bashed a bit, but they were not the only 'reviews' I checked out beforehand to influence MY decision to buy a particular product that suited my application.Perhaps the host tries to do TOO MUCH to keep everyone happy, and EAT, so please consider before typing up'hmmm...shifty business going on..?'incinuations too hastily,and put yourself in his place for a weekBesides, what's the problem if someone occasionally sponsors some good gear anyway at a fair price, and tells you straight up he gets a cut,especially after giving it a good thrashing and trashing...AND supplies a FREE forum out of his pocket for support questionsand bitching..

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 12:20:58 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on August 16, 2017, 11:11:08 pmI have no problem whatsoever with Dave selling selected test equipment. I just think it is an unfortunate decision to launch his new offering in the context of a big "multimeter shootout" review/event.The "all opinion", no-holds-barred approach is the hallmark of Dave's videos. But how can he thrash other meters when, in the very same review, he happens to present a premium meter, which he happens to sell? Even if his assessments are completely unaffected by his commercial interests -- which I am confident they will be -- this would leave a bad aftertaste.If you feel that it is uncalled for to criticize Dave, may I remind you that Dave didaskfor opinions on the Sanwa launch, earlier in this thread. And opinions he is getting -- certainly personal ones, certainly varied, probably somewhat representative of the spectrum of reactions among the viewers of the upcoming multimeter shootout.Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 10:30:39 pmPersonally I would prefer to keep the Sanwa meter out of the multimeter shootout entirely, and do a separate video on it. I think the Sanwa is in a somewhat high price class than the other meters, if you look at average market prices, so there is another reason besides the conflict of interest to keep it out.It would be even better to put a few weeks between the two videos -- either one could go first, in my opinion.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 01:13:40 am
content: If he was going to be unscrupulous about it then he could easily have done the review with all the meters at hand and then stated during the video that the Sanwa was the best out of the lot, then in few weeks declare that he was so impressed with the quality of the meter that he is now offering them up for sale, he didn't do this and instead laid his cards on the table in advance and declared his interest, personally I wouldn't buy one anyway regardless of the pitch because if anything the CD-800 series better suites my usage should I require a glove box style meter.Sanwa Co.http://overseas.sanwa-meter.co.jp/

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 01:15:49 am
content: That is a nice case on the CD-800.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 01:28:38 am
content: They have backlight and current as well but are much larger than a standard pocket or wallet meter, I think the hard cover on these may also double as a bail stand similar to the CD-800A pictured below, this particular model appears to be PC compatible according to the video below, perhaps the other models also share this ability.Sanwa CD-800A Software

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 02:04:54 am
content: I don't have an issue with product placement that is marked as such.The only issue would be if most of the videos are that way. Then I couldn't just avoid (or not take seriously).Also I don't see a problem with knowing why Dave chose to offer a specific meter over others in the first place. Maybe it's just the ability to make a contract with that specific company for that specific product, but maybe there's something more.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 05:55:41 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on August 17, 2017, 01:28:38 amThanks Muttley. Good to see the vid in order to get a sense for the relative size. Very helpful.

author: Rbastler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 06:19:42 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on August 17, 2017, 01:13:40 amNobody then would complain. I too at first had some objections towards including the DMM, but after reconsidering some some arguments, I dont see any problem.Since obviousley its imlossible to make everybody happy, I think its best to just include the Sanwa meter, like Dave was going to anyway and mentioning that he is going to sell it. Those who dont like that, shoudnt watch it. And if they hate it so much, they may also dislike the videoSent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 07:21:54 am
content: Quote from: bitseeker on August 17, 2017, 05:55:41 amAfter a bit more research and a read of all the manuals it turns out that the CD-800 series are huge, like scary big as can be seen in the video below, they could probably do with a pull out handle and a couple of wheels for travel purposes or people on the go.Sanwa Digital Multimeter Unboxing CD-800A

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 07:34:10 am
content: Yeah, from the previous video it looked about as wide as a U1282A and about 2/3 the length.

author: dos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 04:02:04 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 10:24:21 pmI would find playing basketball like Michael Jordan hard too, it's not what I've made a name and fortune for myself doing. It would still suck to hear from Michael Jordan himself that it's too hard to play ball and he doesn't wanna, that he'll get paid the same if he sells some shoes with his name on em so why bother?Yes, I don't like the way the world works. You can ban me if this is offensive, it's how I feel and I don't censor myself. It will be my last word on the subject either way.

author: MacMeter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2017, 05:18:56 pm
content: That basketball looks HUGE, compared to the other pocket contenders!

author: MacMeter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2017, 05:30:10 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 16, 2017, 12:59:26 pmStill looking forward to this video. Hopefully not another 3 years, some of these my be antiques by then!

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2017, 10:13:58 am
content: Quote from: MacMeter on September 02, 2017, 05:30:10 pmAny longer than 3 years, a few members may be antiques too..

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2017, 10:16:49 am
content: I'm also looking forward to it. For some reason or another, multimeter reviews are among my favorite types.

author: MacMeter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2017, 11:10:39 am
content: This one is interesting, mostly because of the very SIMPLE auto & one button design. Seems over priced in comparison to other pocket meters.Greenlee PDMM-20 Pocket Multimeterhttp://tinyurl.com/ycbejlu4

author: Gandalf_Sr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2017, 11:21:32 am
content: If Dave reviews stuff, I pay attention; it's not just if he says it is good, he shows how well it works, points out flaws down to stuff like rough edges on internal metal work. He DOES influence my purchasing decisions but only BECAUSE I regard him as an HONEST 3rd party reviewer; as he says, there are many examples where it was very clear that he wasn't paid to say nice things about the product. Examples:1. Dave reviewed / tore down the Siglent SPD3303X Power Supply and while the review wasn't all good, he did show me the quality of the innards and I was impressed - when I went looking I found the SPD3303X-Ewhich met my needs, was a great price, and now sits on my bench.2. Dave reviewed the Aneng AN8008 multimeter; cheap, 9999 count, pretty accurate, nice and small, $20. I bought it and like it.He's also shown many ways to hack stuff that a paid reviewer would never do. If he makes a buck selling stuff he's designed, more power to him.It must be a pretty thankless job for Dave so here you go Dave, from me (and I suspect the vast majority of eevblog members)THANK YOU DAVE

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2017, 11:49:09 am
content: Quote from: MacMeter on September 04, 2017, 11:10:39 amThat could go both ways. eg. If the auto-switching adds another second to all resistance measurements then it would be annoying to use.In my littleshootoutI chose the ANENG as the winner simply because the resistance measurements could be much faster.(in fact the slowness of the Uni-T was the main reason why I went looking for another multimeter, I have no problem with the Uni-T other than that)

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2017, 04:25:31 pm
content: Have we got this one in the shootout?It's by a reputable Japanese brand (or so I'm told).

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2017, 03:42:31 am
content: Yeah, one of those ones that starts with an 'S'. I think there was some video about one recently.

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 07:05:50 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on September 16, 2017, 04:25:31 pmLooks nice, but I don't know about how it would compare to digital meters.

author: LaurentR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 12:22:27 am
content: Quote from: kalel on September 22, 2017, 07:05:50 pm3.5 digits?

author: MacMeter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2018, 01:38:54 am
content: 2018: Did I miss the “shootout”?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 28, 2018, 02:26:15 am
content: Quote from: MacMeter on January 28, 2018, 01:38:54 amI missed it

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 28, 2018, 06:11:06 am
content: I do have some old footage:

author: LogicalDave
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 27, 2018, 06:56:42 pm
content: The Triplett 2030-C includes current ranges which are missing on most pocket meters. It has a striking physical similarity to the Aneng AN8203 and Victor models.http://www.triplett.com/shop/model-2030-c-digital-multimeter-test-equipment/