The most beautiful car ever - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 10:30:12 am
content: And it's electric. They put a 295 horsepower electric motor, and a 40-kWh Li-ion battery in it.And they are talking about series production! I'm crying.http://driving.ca/jaguar/auto-news/news/you-can-have-your-own-e-type-electric-car-for-a-price[how do I embed videos?]Well, time to save up half a million pounds. BTW I dont want a Tesla anymore.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 10:58:57 am
content: My first car was an electric E-type.....

author: Neomys Sapiens
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 01:14:45 pm
content: Oh, now the designation makes sense!

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 01:33:16 pm
content: What is beautiful in it? Looks ugly to me.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 02:18:47 pm
content: A Mazda Miata body would probably offer similar handling.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 03:18:32 pm
content: Sorry, but no. I'd trade my mother for this one.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 04:03:47 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on September 08, 2017, 03:18:32 pmSilly americans with their "Look Ma! I put a tractor engine in the rusty oldsmobile in the barn. It is as aerodynamic and also handles like a brick." cars.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 04:04:55 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on September 08, 2017, 03:18:32 pmCue stream of "Yo momma so ugly..." jokes.

author: bsudbrink
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 04:06:57 pm
content: Please don't lump all of us Americans together.I'd take an E Type over just about any other car if I could afford one.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 04:07:11 pm
content: Quote from: cdev on September 08, 2017, 02:18:47 pmThat tin-foil hat must be getting way too tight if you even begin to think there's a valid point of comparison between an E-type and a Mazda.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 04:08:33 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 08, 2017, 01:33:16 pmWell, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Have you taken your eyes to the optometrists recently?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 04:11:40 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on September 08, 2017, 04:07:11 pmA sportsy Mazda can be a bundle of fun to drive and it won't bite your head off. If I have some extra money leftover I might buy myself an MX5 some day.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2017, 04:29:49 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on September 08, 2017, 04:11:40 pmSo can the original Austin-Morris Mini, but it too doesn't belong in the same sentence as 'E-type'. Pure sacrilege.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 02:29:39 am
content: Gas turbine shriek >> batteries.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 03:01:55 am
content: 40Kw ? what is wrong with these car makers.... That's is a joke.Shove a 100Kw battery pack in there. Then you got something.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 05:00:15 am
content: Quote from: cdev on September 08, 2017, 02:18:47 pmCompared to an original factory E-Type, an MX5 would positively run rings around it in terms of handling, frankly any even reasonably modern vehicle would.Handling isn't really why a car enthusiast buys an E-Type, which is the direct opposite of why a car enthusiast buys a Miata, that is all about the handling.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 05:00:38 am
content: Agreed. 40KW is a little anemic. Basically they took a nice E type and turned it into a rather unimpressive electric car. Put a model S system in a jag and then you might have something pretty cool.For those who don't know, the E type really was an amazing car. Until you see them being raced, and i mean really raced and flowed, you will not have a real appreciation of them. Unfortunately younger people will probably never have the same point of reference. Who would drive an old jag with dodgy old Lucas electrics when a modern super car does it better, safer, and in some cases hybrid or pure electric. There is still no replacement for a well sorted carbonated manual sports car.I will say another thing.The E type is the only car that made Enzo Ferrari jealous. It was the shape he always had in his mind but could never put down on paper. Also the dual cam straight six jag motor was quite possibly the most well balanced non 12 cylinder engine ever created.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 05:04:43 am
content: Its actually quite the opposite. I have observed many MX-5 and E types on the track at the same time. The jag will beat up on the MX-5 all day. Jags have way more brake, wheel, power, torque, stiffness, and balance than a MX-5MX-5's are great little track momentum cars, but just will straight walk away.

author: jh15
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 06:11:25 am
content: geeze, I thought my 60kw teslas s was anemic. but it can seat six or a pair of tandem bikes with front tires attached with the hatch closed. and blow the doors off ICE loud farting cars.Just wish I knew how to tap into the battery to run house or ham radio stuff for disaster.They don't let you do this, otherwise the free lifetime "gas" superchargers could be abused for free power for a home.

author: IanMacdonald
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 08:32:59 am
content: If I ever have that sort of cash to spare it's definitely going on a plane or boat, not a car.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 09:46:13 am
content: Quote from: IanMacdonald on September 09, 2017, 08:32:59 amI was never able to bring myself to buy a plane (or a boat). You can use a car (or a motorcycle, or other land based transport) every day of the year any time you like as soon as you step out your front door, and more importantly do useful things with it that you actually need to do, so you might as well enjoy doing it.A plane or boat is a hangar/trailer/marina queen 99% of the time burning your cash in storage, maintenance and depreciation like there is no tomorrow, if you want to use it you need to basically devote a day to it, you have to plan, you have to have the weather, and money and time and potentially other people all lined up at once.Neither planes nor boats are particularly expensive to buy, but neither are cheap or convenient to own and use.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 10:02:36 am
content: http://www.2040-cars.com/_content/cars/images/17/254117/001.jpgNow that's a beautiful car!

author: hwj-d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 10:13:10 am
content: E-Type, looks pretty good! Chassis structure, drives terrible ...

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 10:37:07 am
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 09, 2017, 03:01:55 amThe weight would be a little over the half of the car's weight. And you probably only need it to get to the nearest golf club, as it is hardly a practical car for the 21 century. "Sorry I scratched your car while parking to the undersized parking space." "That's OK, the damage is only 10 times the value of your peugeot."But then again, repair bills for a tesla are also astronomical. I wonder how much will be with the model 3's unique construction. Probably repairing the old Jag would be cheaper.Quote from: IanMacdonald on September 09, 2017, 08:32:59 amIf you already have a boat and a plane...

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 11:00:32 am
content: On the subject of Teslas and cost I was sitting in a model X the other day and came to the same conclusion. Every part of the damn thing is expensive. Even the model 3 suffers from the same problems. The economy that went into that is less parts.I have a friend who has a model S and dinked it and it was just over £1000 to get one panel replaced.My fiat, SWMBO took the passenger side door out and it was £780 for a whole new door, including glass and trim. I think I'll just get a bike.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 12:03:12 pm
content: I think some forum members need to save up for an 'h' first, before looking for an e-car.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 12:25:04 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 08, 2017, 10:30:12 amOh please - that thing looks like a bug. No, no this is more like it -

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 12:30:07 pm
content: Quote from: madires on September 09, 2017, 12:03:12 pmYup, and a shift key.Seriously guys, I know we're just arguing about cars (presumably 50,000 years ago we'd have been arguing about clubs) but inthisforum it really is a bit sad to see the OP get "40-kWh" right and then see:Quote from: free_electron on September 09, 2017, 03:01:55 amQuote from: calexanian on September 09, 2017, 05:00:38 amQuote from: jh15 on September 09, 2017, 06:11:25 amSo in the space of one page we've got kilowatt-hours transmuted into Kelvin-wibbles, Kelvin-Watts and kilo-wibbles. C'mon gentlemen, you can do better!

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 04:59:17 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 09, 2017, 10:37:07 amDoesn't matter. The tesla roadster was, by all means, not very practical ,but it can go 330 miles on a charge ... Weight is almost irrelevant if you have dual motors.My S (90D standard dual motor, not the ludicrous or anything fancy) cranks out 518hp . does 0..60mph in 4.2 seconds with a curb weight of 4600 pounds.My (wife's) X with same dual motors and battery (90D) can do it in 4.8 despite clocking in with a curb weight of 5300 pounds.It's not the horsepower that matters, it's torque. And there you simply can not beat the 'coffeeblenders with a battery'The standard motors (they are only the size of a large watermelon and that includes the inverter and gear reduction + differential) would fit perfectly in the E-type and if you rearrange the cellpack it would fit too. You will still have all interior space ( more actually since all the driveshaft , exhausts and other mechanical junk is gone. ) The whole nose (bonnet) of the car could be empty.Car makers are just not trying. Simply because they know it would gobble up their ICE sales.

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 05:17:14 pm
content: Saab 900 Turbohttp://i.wheelsage.org/pictures/saab/900/autowp.ru_saab_900_turbo_commemorative_edition_1.jpg

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 06:24:08 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 09, 2017, 04:59:17 pmHuh? All Jaguar will have electric or hybid engine by 2020, all Volvo will come with electric or hybrid engine by 2019. It just takes longer, because they target the 99% of the market, not the 1%, and they earn money with sales, not with VC.Quote from: free_electron on September 09, 2017, 04:59:17 pmAnyone driving an electric car, and understanding basic "ideal tourque RPM curve" phisics knows this. I drove a S 85, it is nice. Not sure, where I could use the acceleration, probably if there would be a traffic light on a highway.And then there is the fact, that they are not as green as the first look. Pure CO2 emission of a tesla run from the nearest power plant is worse than my ugly slow prius. And I dont own a roof to place solar on it, and run my car from that exclusively. And it is not slower, because 95% of the time I am bottlenecked by the excellent road network, with the brand new idiotic 70 speed limit for Flanders. As I'm quite sure you are familiar with.And I'm saying this, while fully believing in electric cars as the future. It just takes time.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 08:04:44 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 09, 2017, 04:59:17 pmYou should get your the money back you paid for school because that is sooo wrong. Please brush up your elementary physics!

author: Fred27
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 08:47:39 pm
content: I've just switched from a petrol to an electric motorbike. I can tell you it's definitely is about the torque.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 08:57:40 pm
content: Quote from: Fred27 on September 09, 2017, 08:47:39 pmHint: Draw a graph with the power and torque versus of a motor which outputs a constant amount of power (like many turbocharged engines do). You'll see the torque goes down! Keep in mind that you think you feel the most accelleration when the power isn't at it's maximum level (which usually is the area where the torque is constant). Manufacturers know our brain miss-interpret accelleration and tune the engines accordingly but it doesn't produce the fastest accelleration. If you have ever driven a car with a turbocharged engine you'll probably have noticed that at some point the power seems to drop. At that point you'll enter an area with maximum power. Many people switch gears at this point but that is the wrong thing to do. After all power is energy per unit of time and what you need to do in order to accellerate as fast as possible is supply as much energy as you can. That doesn't happen in the region where torque is constant because the power will not be at the maximum level. Basic physics. Just do the math and don't let your brain fool you.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 09:10:54 pm
content: a = F x mF forcem is massa is accelerationtorque is force, just with a vectorIt is newton second law. They teach it in elementary school.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 10:49:20 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on September 09, 2017, 08:57:40 pmAh, the well known Strawman Cycle engine.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 11:02:02 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 09, 2017, 04:59:17 pmMaybe matched.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 11:05:47 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 08, 2017, 01:33:16 pmYep.Cars with the wheels tucked right in from the edge look ugly.In any case, it should be square cars, round women, not the opposite.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2017, 11:19:56 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on September 09, 2017, 11:05:47 pmNope, they should neither be round nor square. Both should be curvy.Unless you have a fetish for "Mr Men" women in which case I guess youdowant your women round. Chacun à son goût, I don't judge.Anyway, there's a reason behind the phrase "aerodynamic as a  brick", there's also very good reasons to keep wheels out of the airflow as much as you can - aerodynamicists have nightmares about wheels, especially low profile ones.

author: WZOLL
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 03:00:54 am
content: Enzo Ferrari himself said that the e-type was "the most beautiful car ever". I prefer the ford gt-40 in beautiful gulf blue and orange. I would post an example but a single picture wouldn't do it justice.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 03:19:53 am
content: You want ugly?3rd generation Ford Taurus.They are so ugly they have an event horizon surrounding them.

author: expinkolator
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 03:36:26 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 09, 2017, 09:10:54 pmSo all I need is a 1000:1 reduction ratio gearbox which will give 1000 times more torque and my econobox will be doing 6 second quarters.People do talk garbage about torque.And yes the e-type is a thing of beauty. I also like the mid 70s vette.

author: Cubdriver
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 04:12:45 am
content: Quote from: Circlotron on September 10, 2017, 03:19:53 amYeah, they did get just a bit carried away with the 'oval' theme on that one, didn't they?I think the E-type Jag is a gorgeous piece of machinery.-Pat

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 04:17:07 am
content: Errrk.The body shape is bad enough - but those windows......!The Jag is not bad - but if someone offered me a choice between one and a Corvette .... I'd take the Corvette.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 04:37:57 am
content: Quote from: Circlotron on September 10, 2017, 03:19:53 amPah, that's not ugly. THIS is ugly.(Fiat Multipla, as if it needed an introduction)

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 05:49:56 am
content: Quote from: sleemanj on September 10, 2017, 04:37:57 amOK. You win.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 06:14:11 am
content: Slight diversion....From an older thread.....Quote from: Brumby on March 06, 2016, 01:04:34 pmQuote from: wilfred on March 06, 2016, 10:41:19 amThe Lost In Space chariot(well, a replica)The first people mover I purchased(Just a coincidence ... REALLY)QuoteAs did any level headed person!

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 09:36:59 am
content: Quote from: Circlotron on September 10, 2017, 05:49:56 amNow my eyes are burning

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 09:48:14 am
content: Quote from: sleemanj on September 10, 2017, 04:37:57 am*GACK*!These would would give it a run for the money...

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 09:52:11 am
content: Pontiac Aztek rivals with the Fiat...

author: razberik
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 11:04:37 am
content: Nissan S-cargo ?

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 11:17:50 am
content: Get a classic:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isetta

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 01:57:37 pm
content: Somehow this thread has turned upside down to the title.

author: G0HZU
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 02:17:38 pm
content: For me the Fiat Multipla isn't an ugly car, it just looks odd, a bit like a weird bug thing.The only car on here so far that I would refuse a ride in is the hideous red corvette. I'm in the UK and to me that car is aimed the USA equivalent of our very own "medallion man with chest wig dunked in aftershave" Or maybe it's for someone who has a very small penis.

author: mathsquid
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 02:36:45 pm
content: My vote for ugliest car is the old-style Lotus Europa. It looks like someone cross-bread a hearse with an el camino.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 02:37:02 pm
content: Quote from: G0HZU on September 10, 2017, 02:17:38 pmAren't those one and the same thing?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 03:19:58 pm
content: We used to own this car for a short while:A 1995-ish(?) Mazda 323F. The headlights are kinda cool. Too bad rust killed it.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 05:34:01 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on September 10, 2017, 01:57:37 pmI dont really know what happened. I just wanted to tell that they made an electric e-type. Then the americans showed up and everything went to "hey look at this muscle car".If you read this and feel offended, then please learn how to take a joke.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 05:45:49 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 10, 2017, 05:34:01 pmIt is easier to pick examples of ugliness than to try to present something as the most <positive quality>Quote from: NANDBlog on September 10, 2017, 05:34:01 pmHahaha

author: Avacee
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 05:46:51 pm
content: Many thanks for heads up about the electric E-Type - certainly be interesting to see the interest if/when it goes into production.Though much as I'd love either an original or electric E-Type any lottery winnings would go on a classic Gullwing Mercedes :p

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 10:17:30 pm
content: If you see an original E-Type on the street, they *are* beautiful for something designed and manufactured over 50 years ago, but ---- There are some ugly variation of the two body styles, and the aerodynamics are nothing like as good as the styling!Scrawny wheels and tyres, massive body overhang, and of course legendary 1960s British electrics!Cue: Austin PowersPontiacs and Corvettes, a different conversation completely- where's the leather and wood?

author: raptor1956
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 03:41:10 am
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 09, 2017, 03:01:55 amOr you could use a capacitor that can deliver 500KW ... but only has 2WHr capacity.Brian

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 03:08:15 pm
content: My personal choice is the 1961-1963 Ford Thunderbird. Personal worst--Ford Transit Connect. Had a 2010 as a company vehicle. Butt ugly. I now have a new 2017 Transit for my current company vehicle. It's marginally better. We call it my ice cream truck.

author: razberik
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 07:26:40 pm
content: I am able to recognize that "car" on street by smell only.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 07:42:29 pm
content: How about Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, still a good looking car, and built when the only description of power and performance was " Adequate". You could not tell, except by looking at the rev counter, if the engine was running.

author: med6753
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 02:06:59 am
content: Not beautiful. Evil. So evil it IS beautiful.

author: BU508A
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 11:56:33 am
content: Quote from: bsudbrink on September 08, 2017, 04:06:57 pmHow about this one?

author: Augustus
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 12:18:16 pm
content: Quote from: med6753 on September 12, 2017, 02:06:59 amEvil? Please... Zhis is evil...

author: JohnPen
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 12:34:29 pm
content: How about this one!

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 01:39:33 pm
content: Porsche 904

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 02:16:24 pm
content: Quote from: BU508A on September 12, 2017, 11:56:33 amThe fastest hearse on wheels.

author: Vtile
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 02:28:02 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on September 09, 2017, 03:01:55 amI would take 40kWh over 100kW anytime.

author: jh15
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 03:40:39 am
content: Those type headlights remind me of the tuning eye tubes.

author: oldway
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 06:50:23 am
content: a little known car ....manufactured only in Brazil from 1971 to 1976, the VW SP2

author: BU508A
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 08:51:21 am
content: by the look of it, it could be a crossover between a Ford Capri and a Porsche 911 :-)

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 10:13:03 am
content: Quote from: Jwalling on September 10, 2017, 09:48:14 amThe Peel 50 is funny and kinda cute, in a strange way. I wouldn't call it ugly, more like special.You have just got to see the possibilities of this car.Enjoy everyone!!!If you don't laugh after seeing this, you are dead inside.......Now, if you truly want ugly, here is one monstrosity:

author: jh15
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 09:33:13 pm
content: Looks like a BMW in the front. Did they make it or buy the company, like Cooper

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 18, 2017, 08:01:46 pm
content: Quote from: oldway on September 15, 2017, 06:50:23 amAhhh... The SP-2! That was a dream for teenagers that grew in Brazil during the 70s and 80s.The front was shared across several rear-engine VW models during this time: TL, Brasilia and Variant II

author: Old Don
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2017, 04:11:03 pm
content: The early XKE is right up there, but for me #1 would be a Lamborghini Miura. Couldn't afford it when it was new and can't afford if now. I did turn down a friends offer to sell me his XKE many years ago and don't regret doing so - the Prince of Darkness still reigned in merry 'ol England when it was made. Presently I drive a made in Oz Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO on dry summer weekends. One of GM's me-too look-alike designs.

author: daybyter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2017, 08:19:36 pm
content: Ferrari 288 GTO looks beautiful to me...https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Ferrari_288_GTO_%281%29.JPG/1280px-Ferrari_288_GTO_%281%29.JPG