Battery with Unlimited Power for your mobile Phone - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 08:04:30 am
content: Holy Crackpot Batman!https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/battery-with-unlimited-power-for-your-mobile-phone#/Let's bamboozle'em with graphs!

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 08:11:50 am
content: I think it could work. All they need to do is bend the laws of physics a little bit. Not a problem.Sent from mobile device.... Keeping it short and mis-spelled

author: v8dave
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 08:49:50 am
content: As I posted elsewhere, it has to be alien technology so don your tin foil hat and do a teardown when it's (if) released.

author: VK5RC
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 08:58:00 am
content: None of that 'nasty chemical' reactions that those silly old batteries use, Robin. turbines to speed , atomic batteries to power, lets go ---- straightens tin foil hat!

author: canibalimao
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 10:27:11 am
content: I don't see any problem here. They "just" need to fit 5 top quality 18650 batteries on the back of an iPhone.Maybe they have plans to pass a bulldozer over a pack of batteries to make them flat and then create the case.

author: crispy_tofu
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 10:44:58 am
content: cross-posting from the dodgy project threadSimilarity? Taken and edited right from a 2100mAh Mophie battery pack...

author: matseng
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 12:08:18 pm
content: Quote from: canibalimao on December 02, 2015, 10:27:11 amI think your math is a bit off here. The pack is 1500Ah and lets say that an *exceptional* 18650 is is 5000mAh=5Ah. So 300 (not 5) of the 18650's should give about the same capacity :-)

author: canibalimao
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 12:10:20 pm
content: Quote from: matseng on December 02, 2015, 12:08:18 pmYou're right. I was just thinking ok a 15Ah pack and 3000mAh 18650 batteries.That way, it's even easier to fit it on the back of an iPhone!

author: GNU_Ninja
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 12:16:53 pm
content: Maybe BatteriserseliteR&D team have jumped ship and decided to go it alone on anotherscamproject

author: GNU_Ninja
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 01:11:30 pm
content: Quote from: v8dave on December 02, 2015, 08:49:50 amNah, no alien tech involved. They're Russians. Not Hungarians.(Extra brownie points if you get the cultural reference)

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 02:21:16 pm
content: 1000Ah what do they do, ship you a car battery?I figured the trick is to just use a single cell, that way you get 1000Ah at say 3.2Vbut then that doesn't add uphttp://www.ev-power.eu/Winston-40Ah-200Ah/WB-LYP1000AHC-LiFeYPO4-3-2V-1000Ah-Special-product.htmlQuoteYeah 41 kilos, like I said car battery.

author: jippie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 04:15:58 pm
content: Some source images are found on other webistes:http://invertor.ru/akb.htmlhttp://photo-ek.ru/workshop/accu-capacity.htmlhttp://www.waspafrica.com/mobileapps.html

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 04:23:33 pm
content: What in the hell is this?Reminds me ofhttp://xkcd.com/730/

author: jippie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 04:26:41 pm
content: check the links I posted above.Or through Google translate:https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fphoto-ek.ru%2Fworkshop%2Faccu-capacity.html&edit-text=&act=url

author: Aodhan145
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 04:27:43 pm
content: Anyway if something like that was real they really wouldn't be on indiegogo for funding.

author: jippie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 04:29:03 pm
content: As I read it, it isn't real yet. They need the funding for the research and engineering."But for research, refinement and mass production we need your support!"The engineering is part of their graphical timeline.I cannot find the name mentioned on the IGG page on LinkedIn in contrast to the "LinkedIn verified" on the IGG page.

author: GNU_Ninja
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 04:34:26 pm
content: Okay, own up, who ponied up the two bucks?

author: moya034
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 04:45:17 pm
content: My favorite quote on that page is "No chemical and nuclear reactions in your pocket!"No nuclear reactions? As if someone has actually made a pocket sized nuclear device to power cell phones.

author: jippie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 05:13:02 pm
content: The "no chemical reactions" makes the project interesting, wonder how they will accomplish that.I actually had a good laugh for the comparison with the generator.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 06:59:25 pm
content: Quote from: moya034 on December 02, 2015, 04:45:17 pmI am surprised nobody has thought of bringing back the Thorium project to cell-phones. One little pellet and you are good to go for 100 years without a charge.... Like the Thorium powered car:http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/03/05/thorium-powered-car-could-run-100-years-on-just-8-grams-of-fuel/If anyone can do it, the Russians can. Where did I hear that there are tons of old nuclear-powered portable monitoring stations or probes scattered all over Siberia that are potentially found and sold on the black market?

author: snoopy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 04:18:32 am
content: What about a wind powered electric car

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 04:55:12 am
content: Quote from: snoopy on December 03, 2015, 04:18:32 amDon't read the comments because you can't unread them.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 06:44:25 am
content: QuoteSo if it's not Chemical or Nuclear, what type of battery are they using? Kinetic? Space vacuum? 5th dimension?

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 08:28:46 am
content: Quote from: jippie on December 02, 2015, 05:13:02 pmi can recharge 25 liters of deisel in my gen set in about 2 minutes. thats fast. maybe i can crowd source my plastic funnel

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 08:36:42 am
content: Quote from: snoopy on December 03, 2015, 04:18:32 amok, this got me thinking just before Christmas...To start crowd-funding a3/4 size, perpetual motion 'My Little Pony'toy.People will jump all over it, the kids will have grown up before we have to deliver.Everything fits perfectly!--- and here's his instagram profile photo...Who wants to join in?

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 09:16:38 am
content: This is what a 5.5kWh battery, approximately the same energy of 1500Ah at 3.7V, looks like:http://www.cclcomponents.com/product.asp?ID=3879

author: tigikay
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 09:33:06 am
content: Ahahahaha, this is too good - I was offered a place at MEPhI 6 years agoIt's very far from the top of our STEM unis, but to have that kind of crap come from there is just WOW! And I'm talking about a uni which has a designated Faculty of Theology with a small Orthodox church

author: canibalimao
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 09:56:15 am
content: Quote from: tigikay on December 03, 2015, 09:33:06 amThat explains a lot...

author: tigikay
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 10:01:24 am
content: Quote from: canibalimao on December 03, 2015, 09:56:15 amit was a drama bombshell for all the STEM unis, our own faculty was buzzing for months about this

author: SaabFAN
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 09:55:28 pm
content: Well, it has nothing nuclear in it and there are no chemical reactions happening (like in a battery), and it will last about 2 years.Clearly they are using hamsters inside a wheel that is connected to a generator. XD

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 07:11:41 am
content: Quote from: SL4P on December 03, 2015, 08:36:42 amWhat does that prove?

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 12:03:33 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on December 04, 2015, 07:11:41 am...that Gene Simmons is really Einstein in disguise!

author: mikerj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 07:42:33 pm
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on December 03, 2015, 06:44:25 amMaybe a graphene supercapacitor with superconductive carbon nanotube interconnects. Or perhaps a zero point energy device, relying on carefully aligned magnets and coils that don't connect to anything. Some kind of "resonance" will probably be involvedStill, at least "extremelyhazardous elements are missing", so we must be thankful they stopped at theveryhazardous ones.

author: LaserSteve
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 08:44:47 pm
content: Google "Strontium Nuclear Battery" or "Strontium 90 Lighthouse" and tell me that you want hackable Thorium powered cars in crashes!Although I do think the decay powered lighthouses were a cool technology. Once the USSR fell, and when one in the boonies feared the KGB or Interor Ministry, then it became a un-cool idea..Steve

author: Kalidor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2015, 10:45:00 am
content: No problem to do that, with Li-ion the battery pack will be about 25-30 Kg."Extra battery, that will serve your phone up to 2 years without charge!" vs. "Lifetime up 2 years". Why then a rechargeable battery"Output: 1V and 2V (PowerBank)" but USB should be 5V100% safety no chemical, nuclear, leakage, radiation.... Maybe the try it straight forward E=mc2"Based on the data obtained we decided to make a hybrid battery model" ..back to chemistry

author: jippie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2015, 02:21:03 pm
content: Ah is that the catch:QuoteYou don't need a battery at all to have "your phone up to 2 years without charge". Just don't charge it for 2 years and you're there.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 14, 2015, 12:34:24 pm
content: Nah - I think you're all wrong.It has to be wind-up.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2015, 03:25:47 pm
content: Such as gravity light?Imagine all the people on the train hanging those things on the suitcase racks

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2015, 03:51:59 pm
content: Quote from: GNU_Ninja on December 02, 2015, 01:11:30 pmYeah, like when the american project manager left at the Manhattan project, and the guys said, OK, now we can switch back toHungarianMartian.I think the project is feasible. See, they reservedan entire monthfor the engineering part.

author: rt
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2015, 09:17:09 pm
content: https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1446814398/ghhefpghkkyy6ld3zor4.jpgI have a feeling February will be a busy month!

author: matseng
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2015, 05:16:50 am
content: Do they actually say at what voltage the 10 0000 Ah is at? If measured at 1mV then it most definitely would be plausible :-)I measured my new 16 000 mAh Xiaomi powerbank and got a bit upset when I was only able to pull 10980mAh from it. But at closer inspection the 16 000 was specced at 3.75 volts and not 5 volts... So I actually got more that specced out of this unit...

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2015, 02:42:20 pm
content: Quote from: matseng on December 15, 2015, 05:16:50 amAll Li-Ion power banks are spec'd at 3.7-3.8v, so are phone batteries for that matter.

author: matseng
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2015, 02:52:48 am
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on December 15, 2015, 02:42:20 pmThis is all true and so, but I still find it a bit confusing since the output of the device is 5.1 volt one would assume that this would be the voltage that the mAh is based upon as well.Why did the industry choose to describe the batteries with mAh instead of Wh which would be a more suitable unit for energy? What happens when a phone manufacturer changes the battery chemistry, then the mAh becomes totally irrelevant...

author: rs20
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2015, 03:06:02 am
content: Quote from: matseng on December 16, 2015, 02:52:48 amIt makes reasonable sense thatbatterieshave mAh ratings. And since Li-ion is the standard right now, 3.6-3.7V is just the understood value. For comparability between the battery size in my phone and the battery size of an external battery pack, it makes sense that the battery pack be measured with respect to its internal 3.6-3.7V voltage as well.In short, they've done it in the consistent and standard way. They deserve bonus marks for writing the 5V value in small writing as well. The end user never measures the current flowing at 5.1V, they care about the literal charge in the batteries (as measured in C = A.s). You, with your integrating ammeter, are not the target market for these numbers!!

author: matseng
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2015, 04:45:12 am
content: Yes, Xiaomi is a company that does very cheap high-quality stuff and seems to to generally good.But that really doesn't solve the problem with the industry using a non-portable measurement unit for the battery capacity. Today it's just a number to the general public, they don't have a clue of what a milliamphour is. They only know that a bigger number=longer life.So what happens when the safety-nazis wins and some companies introduces "fire-safe" phones using LiFePo4? 1000 LiFePo4 mAh's can't power a phone as long as 1000 LiPo mAh's will do. But 3 LiFePo4 Wh's will power it as long as 3 LiPo Wh's.I suppose they can advertise with a fudge-factor included, but they won't do that - saying that our safe 1000mAh battery is equivalent to a 850mAh unsafe battery doesn't sound too good :-)

author: pauljmccain
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2015, 02:59:47 am
content: Quote from: station240 on December 02, 2015, 02:21:16 pmThat's more like a single cell of a forklift/industrial battery. Charge your phone, then move some pallets!

author: crispy_tofu
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2015, 03:38:56 am
content: 8 days left, still $2... I think they're going to meet their goal!

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 02, 2016, 08:07:22 am
content: perhaps we made a mistake and 1,500,000mAh isn't the storage capacity, it's how much power you can draw in total before the cell pukes it's guts.