OWON SDS1102 low end 100Mhz oscilloscope - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: testluck02
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 23, 2017, 06:46:31 am
content: Here is a video for OWON new 100Mhz low end oscilloscope, quite idea one for engineers with limited budget.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_Bb-IWqnKM&feature=youtu.be

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2017, 07:43:38 pm
content: Yes, it is cheap. No other advantage. All knobs have the same size, that is weird.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2017, 10:38:53 am
content: Have they really given it the same model number as an existing Siglent product?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2017, 10:44:54 am
content: Quote from: Gyro on November 24, 2017, 10:38:53 amBecause why not. It's not as if there's an infinite amount of product numbers.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2017, 10:50:37 am
content: Sure, but when you do a search, even with Owon on the front, you get swamped with hits for the exisiting Siglent product. Not a great marketing decision for a newly introduced product.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2017, 10:53:33 am
content: Quote from: Gyro on November 24, 2017, 10:50:37 amI was being sarcastic, as there almost litterally are an infinite amount of product numbers.It might be deliberate, to ride the coattails of their competitor perhaps? That way you turn up when someone looks for the cheapest Siglent he can find. That might catch out a few.

author: rhb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2017, 03:12:07 pm
content: I couldn't even find it on the Owon website. Not quite sure how Scargill managed to buy one. I just wanted to find the price out of curiosity. Most manufacturers use similar encoding of the number of channels and bandwidth.

author: cybermaus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2017, 04:15:26 pm
content: Quote from: rhb on November 24, 2017, 03:12:07 pmI bought at this local shop before. Maybe not local for you, but price indicationhttp://www.eleshop.nl/owon-sds1102.htmlI though this was an older model though?

author: rhb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2017, 12:10:18 am
content: Thanks. I'd have thought it was a new model from its absence on the Owon site and the difficulty finding it at the big US sellers. I'll be interested to see a tear down and detailed review.

author: Daruosha
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2017, 09:42:53 am
content: My personal recommendation is to stay away from Owon. Almost no future updates, poor build quality, pretty bad UI, slow waveform updates, non-competetive pricing (in comparison with new Siglent and Rigol entry level scopes) and many other issues.

author: The Soulman
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2018, 09:14:30 pm
content: Any more user experiences on these series of scopes?Going by the youtube video it looks like an actual (simple but) usable tool.Spanning the price gap between used crt/bottom end usb scopes and the more popular rigols/siglents, it could be worth considering?

author: Bob Sava
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2018, 09:42:31 pm
content: I think Owon EDS202E is much better deal that is ~$250 on Amazon and seems to be a rebranded SDS7102. EDS has 1M storage per channel.

author: jebem
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2020, 11:28:25 am
content: I bought one of these OWON SDS1102 2-channel scopes.1. Small intro.Having worked in electronics since the 70's on several different fields from radioisotopes labs to telecommunications, I had my fair share of professional equipment from brands like Tektronix, HP, RACAL, FLUKE, and so on, and it is easy to lose perspective of things when you are spoiled with 1GHz real time oscilloscopes in the 70's, some with storage memory.2. Is this OWON SDS1102 a low cost scope, as advertised in their own website?Yes, absolutely.OWON is honest in what they are advertising.3. Is it garbage?Not at all.For the asking price (I paid 190 EUR delivered from Spain on AliExpress) I can not ask better specifications and above all,real performanceabove what people may think.It is an honest product, very useful when you need a dual trace scope with memory to do some basic repairs or adjustments on consumer electronics or even on professional equipment, why not.The integrated counter and meters are spot on, I have checked it against my calibrated 520MHz vintage Fluke 1920A.4. Is it badly designed and built?Not at all.If you are into electronics and have experience and knowledge on design and build equipment, you will recognize that this design is on pair with any other brand design on the same price range.Do not get fouled by the apparent simplicity when you remove the back cover and look to the three main assemblies.This is a modern design, well laid out, properly shielded where required. It has nothing to do with lesser integrated designs that use bigger components and huge metal cans that give you a feeling of robustness, surely, but that has nothing to do with real performance of that product.This is a complex design, miniaturized with SMD components on BOTH sides of the POCBs, and made as simple as possible without compromising the specs and performance.In fact, it is impressive built considering the price point.5. Are there compromises in design and implementation?Sure, there are.But you will find them in any other oscilloscope, irrespective of price range. You will want more. That is the human nature.On this design, the analog vertical amplifiers and ADC could have 1mV/div instead of that 5mV/div with limited bandwidth, and the trigger could be more efficient to handle RF audio modulated signals.On this implementation, the switching power supply could have been enclosed in a metal can. But again, why people, like myself, tell this? Did we actually took measurements on using shielded power supplies in this model? That is assumptions we made, without any proof.Talking about power supply on this model, some reviews mention on how simple the power supply is, like a more complex design would be better. Again, that is an assumption without any proof.The implemented power supply achieves the required specs with safe margin, and it is not as simple as people may think. The PCB has components on BOTH sides.Additionally this SDS1102 model uses LOCAL Regulated power supplies close to the respective loads (look closer to the main PCB).Do I like to see a huge electrolytic cap mounted over the main PCB in piggyback style, like they had second thoughts about the implementation?No, I do not. But looking into other OWON models and PCB revisions, I understand that that decision is deliberated, probably to save precious PCB space and maintain the manufacturing costs in check.The plastic injection used for the case components looks good to me, but it could be better. On my unit, the handle is warped a little on one side. Small thing, but enough to show where they cut costs.6. Wrap upThat is all, folks.This is my honest finding so far.Others will have other opinions about this scope after they have used it for a while, I respect that.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2020, 12:44:03 pm
content: Quote from: The Soulman on March 15, 2018, 09:14:30 pmSure, it'll work.Around here though we can compare many different scopes and rate then in terms of bang per buck and possibility that you'll need more features in the future (those Owons aren't big in the "features" department).The conclusion has long been that the Rigol DS1054Z is the real starting point. That's where the bang per buck makes sense. If you spend less you'll either get something really bad quality (bugridden), not much bang, or both. ie. When you learn more about 'scopes there's a good chance you'll regret not spending $100 more.Owons are known for locking up, frequent reboots and not much bang. If you can put up with that then go ahead and buy one. You 'll be fine if you only use it once per week for simple jobs. For constant daily use though, it's worth aiming a bit higher.Quote from: jebem on October 15, 2020, 11:28:25 amThere you go...

author: jebem
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2020, 08:13:50 am
content: Well, what I see in the forums against OWON is basically prejudice without presenting real proof of those statements.That said, I am not telling that some of those claims against OWON are false.What I see so far is people removing the back cover and making remarks about the "simplicity" of what they think they see, and mocking about funny names on the electrolytic capacitors, and this is not correct at all. Maybe that is fine if you are a comedian.If you want to make these allegations, you need to use scientific approach, not this way of dismissing a product without any proof.There are no perfect products, all of them, irrespective of price, due to its embedded software complexity, are prone to lock at some point.There are no brands immune to lock ups.There is no such thing as only one brand/model is the best for this job. These days are long gone, when Tektronix ruled the world.That said, no one claims that this basic OWON model are the best thing in the universe. There are better equipment if you are willing to pay more.If 200 EUR is your limit to spend, then this OWON SDS1102 should be in your shortlist, not only on the specs, but on proved performance (keep reading).Maybe in the USA, OWON is not well regarded, but here in Western and Eastern Europe, OWON, and in particular this SDS1102 model is being sold since 2017 with great success under its original name OWON, and under another German brand name calledPollin Electronic GmbH.For those that are aware of a extremely popular (at least in whole Europe) electronics magazine calledELEKTOR, oriented to DIY projects and long time seller of tested low cost lab equipment to their readers/hobbyists/customers, I have to say that they support and sell this OWON SDS1102 on their sales channel.ELEKTOR is a respectable brand in EUROPE, very well known to support reliable products to their customers.And here is my OWON SDS1102 left running since yesterday, 12 hours and counting, so far with no funny behaviors or lockups.

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2020, 09:57:06 am
content: Are you serious? 10k points of memory depth, only two trigger types (of which one - video - is basically useless nowadays), no protocol decoders, apparently no intensity grading... And having to pay ~250 eur delivered while for a hundred more, one can have a scope that's really useful for years to come, should make the decision easy.This Owon more or less resembles the colour version of the TDS220 dating back two decades, and I may not do justice with this statement to the latter.Even a beginner in hobby electronics, when intending to get into arduino / microcontroller stuff, will quickly outgrow this scope.If one needs an ultra-low-budget scope, there's the used market and maybe some small Chinese manufacturers (Fnirsi...) that offer really inexpensive "toys" at less than half of Owon's price.

author: jebem
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2020, 10:37:34 am
content: Yes, I am serious, and I know what I am talking aboutClearly you do not know what you are talking about concerning this scope features.And 10K depth is more than enough if you know how to use it. Arduino or professional service.Read my comments above, this is an entry scope sold at 190 EUR in Europe, replying to the open post about this model.Or go for specs, talking about a product without even test it or at least read the user guide available for download at OWON site.That is what I have been reading here.I know what a professional scope is, thank you very much.This is not this one, or neither one proposed a alternative here.

author: Microdoser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2020, 11:05:17 am
content: Looks to be the exact same scope as a Hanmatek DOS1102. Same buttons, colours, everything.It is a very basic scope, 5mv bottom range (this is what the actual scope delivers which seems different from the stated specs), limited triggering options, relatively small memory etc.It looks like it is from the same company that makes those $70 hand held scopes from AliExpressIn the same price range, you can get a Rigol DS1102Z-E which has many more features, 1mV bottom range, many triggering options, 24Mpt memory, I2C SPI analysis etcAfter ordering the Hanmatek and trying it out, I returned it and got the Rigol. The difference in price was £30 extra for a LOT more scope.Sure, the Hanmatek(Owon) worked but the Rigol is a LOT better scope in that same budget price range (£199 vs £230)

author: J-R
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2020, 03:51:48 am
content: Owon/Lilliput products are definitely worth considering but obviously do your homework on required features and consider the brand reputation and current price points. There are so many factors involved with a decision on what to purchase. You can even change your mind from one day to the next.When shopping for a scope in the sub-$500 range a while back I went back and forth between an older used unit and a newer Rigol or Siglent but really didn't even have all the specific needs locked in. So when a new Owon XDS3202E came up for sale for about $150 delivered, I hit the button. Of course I researched everything about it and really the major complaints that impacted me revolved around the price, which suddenly wasn't an issue...Probably one major negative is that software/firmware updates from Owon can be sparse to non-existent.

author: Kosmic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2020, 02:56:49 pm
content: I'm not sure why a lot of peoples seem to be bashing Owon. On top of that it's not clear if they actually tried one or owned a Owon product or if they just propagate rumors.On my side I also bought a XDS3202E for 150$ when it was on sale on arrow. I used it for some times now and I like it a lot. Never crashed or rebooted. I also didn't find any bugs or problems. They don't produce new firmware but the product is doing what it should anyway.Build quality is good. I also got a Rigol DG831 and I would say that the build quality feel better on the Owon.On the user interface side it could be better but you get used to it. It's definitely better than the Rigol DG831.The frontend of the scope seem to be good. I measured the -3 dB point at 349Mhz (it's a 200Mhz scope).The 200Mhz probes (OW3200) provided with the scope are generally good. Definitely better than the Rigol PVP2350 (350Mhz) I tested.Now I only tried one product from Owon but I was generally surprised and satisfied.

author: SpecialK
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2020, 03:21:33 pm
content: I can report that XDM3051 bench multimeter and ODP6033 triple power supply have been very reliable. I enjoy using them. I bought them from Arrow for less than $500 CDN combined during the same sale I believe.I have been usung a single channel P4305 power supply at work for the last 18 months I suppose. It gets quite a lot of use, and seems to be hanging in there very well.To be honest, I'm hoping Owon builds an electronic load. I can't seem to get my hands on a Rigol for a decent price or a Siglent at all in Canada.

author: Microdoser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2020, 10:37:00 pm
content: Quote from: Kosmic on October 17, 2020, 02:56:49 pmI tried a DOS1102 and while what you say is true, it did what it claimed to without glitching or crashing in any way, it was missing alotof features that I would think are basic for a digital scope.If what you want is a digital scope that does not have much more capability than an analog one it will do that job and do it well but I have a feeling that an XDS3202E is a far different beast than an SDS1102.Myself, I decided that for just £30 more, I preferred a scope that had I2C analysis, more than 'rise' and 'fall' (and video, wtf?) as trigger options, a 1mV-10V/div range instead of 5mV-5V/div, an intensity graded display and 24Mpts memory instead of 10K (just a few things that jumped out comparing spec sheets). I will also admit that the name 'Rigol' had some pull to it, especially after I saw the same scope advertised by two different companies which is something that does not inspire confidence in me. I also did not like the way that the only way you could see information like frequency was with a huge box 'O' text that covered the waveform.I had no problems using the Owon/Hanmatek but I found myself wanting to do more with a scope than it could do, and I wanted to do that within 12 hours of getting it, and I could tell that after a very short while that wanting would turn into a great frustration.It's not a terrible scope and I have no doubts it would be reliable for a length of time anyone would be happy with, it's just that in my opinion there are much better scopes out there in the same price bracket (£200-250 UK) and it has limitations that would quickly start to frustrate even a novice user and lead them to regret their choice in buying it.

author: J-R
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 02:59:36 am
content: On the Owon you can add various measurements to the display at the bottom of the screen as shown by jebem's screenshot. In that case it is in FFT mode with the cursor enabled so the measurement boxes have been shifted to the right temporarily.Clearly we have one person who wanted something at nearly the lowest price possible, while the other person wanted specific features and was willing to pay a small amount more for it. Both are valid points I think.Personally, I doubt I will buy any more Owon products. Or even Rigol or Siglent. HP/Agilent/Keysight seems to fit me better going forward. But I'm happy I got the Owon at that price. Very helpful in my case.

author: jebem
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 08:50:38 am
content: Again, this is a low end scope, make no mistake. I clearly stated that in my initial review here.That said, it is not that "basic" and limited in features.For those interested, please read the user guide available from Owon official website.Some of them, verified by myself on the scope by doing some measurements, not just reading specs here and there (that is the starting point, though):- On Acquisition modes, it offers Sample, Peak detect, and Average, Vector or Dot types,Persistence OFF, 1, 2, 5 and Infinity, XY Mode, Counter Off/ON.- On Measure it offers up to 30 different types.- On Cursor it offers Voltage, Time, Time&Voltage, Auto Cursor.- On Utility, Display backlight from 0 to 100%, Graticule with 3 types, Menu time out from 0 to 30 sec.- On Vertical inputs, AC/DC coupling, 5mV with 20MHz limited BW, 50mV with full BW, Inverted Off/On, Probe 1X/10X/100X/1000X, MeasureCurrent Off/On, Limit bandwidth Off (full 100MHz on 10X) / ON (20MHz on 1X)- On Math, it offers Sign +, -, *, /, and FFT (both channels, six common algorithms, Vrms or dB, Horizontal/Vertical adjustments, Cursors)- On Trigger it offers AC/ON coupling, Single/Alternate, Edge or Video (yes, some people still enjoy PAL/SECAM/NTSC (!) ), Auto/Normal/Single modes, two ramp slopes with adjustable level, Holdoff from 100nS to 10.0 secAnd before someone ask, yes, it can use a USB pen at the front to save waves and screenshots, and yes, the scope has a second USB port at the rear to talk to a PC, where the Windows remote capture and control application available for downloads from Owon official site works nicely and smooth, no lockouts or hangs or funny stuff in there. And yes, that application runs fine on Windows 10 as well. For those having this scope and not able to install the Owon app due to initial error messages, just rename the zip file to remove the chinese chars, and as for the Windows scope driver installation just follow the supplied instructions.The best prices I can find delivered to Portugalfree of additional import taxesare from AliExpress where some Chinese suppliers haveEuropean Unionwarehouses in Germany, UK, France and Spain.AliExpess Spain location offers free shipping to Portugal as well, after all we are in the same Iberian Peninsula. Currently there are a few suppliers delivering theOWON SDS1102 for 190,40 EURshipment included and no additional taxes.The other alternatives, with better specs, are far more costly from my base location.For example theRigol DS1102Z-E that I had in my shortlist as well, is not available from any European locations, starts at around230 EUR to 270 EUR all from China located warehouses, meaning that I would have to wait at very least 2 or 3 months (I have this experience importing other goods from there) and thenpay custom import dutiesand VAT on top of that.And theXDS3202Ewould cost at least331 EUR + custom import dutieson European Union.For my needs, the Owon SDS1102 serves me well.If I need to capture data for analysis, then I will buy an USB logic analyzer. These can be found at really low prices with decent specs.And here is my humble SDS1102 acquiring a 110MHz 78mV rms sinusoidal wave from a vintage Heathkit IG-102S running at its top limit fundamental frequency, where the advertised feature of being able to work at 220MHz (2nd harmonic) is confirmed by the FFT humble analysis of the Owon.

author: Microdoser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 11:06:47 am
content: Quote from: jebem on October 18, 2020, 08:50:38 amYes, it is available from an EU location.https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B089WHC4MK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00Rigol DS1102Z-E Digital Oscilloscope 2-Channel 100MHz.1 GSa/s, 24 Mpts, 8 Bit, free trigger/decodingDelivered from Rigol EU, based in Germany so no import taxes anywhere in the EU.£234.32 & FREE Delivery Arrives: Oct 24 - 28All I am saying is that because Amazon has such a great return policy, and I took up the offer of a £500 credit card at the same time, I ordered both. I tried them both out and sent back the Owon/Hanmatek.My opinion is based on using them both side by side hands on in the same environment. When sat next to my DS1102Z-E, it seemed basic and lacking in features that were on the scope next to it. Of course there were some areas where the Rigol lost out, moving a waveform vertically using the control knob was less smooth and the probes did not seem as well built.Other people may have different needs of course. I wanted the scope that would grow with mine rather than restrict them.

author: maxwell3e10
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2020, 03:34:19 am
content: I got a XDS3062A from that sale on Arrow and have been pretty happy with it. It does have a few specific bugs:When transferring data from scope to computer every millionths point is corruptedWhen one channel is set to inverted and then turned off, the other channel is messed up when 1 GHz sampling rate is usedLarge sharp square pulses have a 2% overshoot that decays over 2 usec.Otherwise, I love the large crisp display, 12 bit resolution, low input noise, decent FFT. It doesn't feel like a low cost scope.It would be nice to have more waveform measurements, such as standard deviation, and have measurements done on full waveform, but many other brands don't do it right either. Also decoding was not included, but it did come with a build-in function generator (pretty useful) and a multimeter (rather useless).

author: Microdoser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2020, 08:49:24 am
content: Quote from: maxwell3e10 on October 19, 2020, 03:34:19 amIt shouldn't feel like a low cost scope at £550 especially considering you get only 2 channels at 70Mhz for that money.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2020, 09:07:00 am
content: it looks like very outdated scope. Today's oscilloscope for novice needs at least 24 megapoints memory.And I think it's better to look for 2 GS or above with high res display, because 1 GS is outdated technology.These days, 10 k memory is too small even for pocket multimeter.Probably it produce a lot of aliasing at slow horizontal resolution. It will be confusing for newbies.

author: maxwell3e10
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2020, 09:44:04 am
content: Quote from: Microdoser on October 19, 2020, 08:49:24 amI only paid $200 for it on sale, but even at the regular price of around $400 it is a good deal since any other high-resolution low input noise scope (like R&S) are well over $1000.

author: Kosmic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2020, 04:45:38 pm
content: Arrow should do those sales more often. I would definitely spend a lot more

author: jackobo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2024, 11:21:24 am
content: A bit a refresh to the topic,Gentlemen, want to get this SDS1102 by OWON as my first oscilloscope.Theres not bad price these days at banggood about 175 euro posted.My goals:To get to learn how to use Digital oscilloscope;Repair mainly TVs, laptop and desktop MBs:So in light of controversial opinions in the thread, would this Owon machine be enough to get to learn how properly deal with digital oscilloscope or add extra 90 quid and get this Rigol DS1102Z-E from Batronix?Many thanks in advance.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2024, 12:40:20 pm
content: @jackobo: I would definitely go with the Rigol if you don't mind the extra charge.In your price range I would rather take the 4 channelHanmatek DOS1104.If you want to pay as little as possible, imo even a Hantek DSO2C10 would be better, but only if you can get it for less than $150!Unfortunately, the prices vary greatly and many people pay too much for the Hantek and are therefore rightly disappointed.

author: jackobo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2024, 12:50:35 pm
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on April 01, 2024, 12:40:20 pmThanks for replying, theres some complaints regarding this Rigol series in terms of factory miscalibrating as to vertical zero position and people werent able to calibrate with standard calibration, as being not an expert in it, hard to judge, if its common problem.Hanmatek again following the forums, had 1:1 Owon clone only in older revisions, newer ones with 5 volt external power supply are absolute crap, besides at banggood Hanmatek even more expensive than original Owon SDS1102, which is weird to me.Hantek, ohh a lot of negative feedback about those scopes, being cheap their only advantage,The choice is whether 1102 or that Rigol, would appreciate inputs in favor on the Rigol or Owon SDS1102 would be enough for absolute scope beginner?

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2024, 01:10:17 pm
content: Quote from: jackobo on April 01, 2024, 12:50:35 pmWell, at least there is feedback. Where there are many users, there is also a lot of (negative) feedback.The Owon has hardly any feedback and the first answer in this thread is, exactly what you say about the Hantek:"Yes, it is cheap. No other advantage."Take the Rigol.

author: jackobo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2024, 01:18:13 pm
content: Quote from: Aldo22 on April 01, 2024, 01:10:17 pmYes, but after that statement there was a nice grounded reply by Jebem, whio to be honest sounds very persuading. But If theres more pluses towards Rigol, of course I'd make an effort to save extra 90 quid for the thing I'd be using time by time )))

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2024, 01:38:01 pm
content: Quote from: jackobo on April 01, 2024, 11:21:24 amFrankly, many things happening in (digital) TVs as well as on notebook or desktop mainboards will be out of reach for either scope. Clock rates for CPU and RAM are way too fast, as are the modern serial buses (PCI, USB, SATA...).You can still use an entry-level scope to check out the power supply, as well as slower serial buses in a TV (I²C, maybe SPI if used). And of course you can use the scope as a learning tool.For frustration-free learning, the Rigol is probably the better choice than OWON or Hantek -- if only because it is more popular, so it is easier to find advice online.Actually, I would strongly encourage you to spend even a bit more and get a 4-channel scope; they give you much more flexibility. Maybe you can find a good deal on a used Rigol DS1xx4Z or Siglent SDS1xx4X-E. I would expect that quite a few hobbyists are getting ready to replace theirs by the new generation of 12-bit entry level scopes, Rigol's DHO800 or Siglent's SDS800X HD, and may try to sell their old 8-bit scopes.Those 8-bit 4-channel scopes are also still available new, but I would not recommend them since they seem too expensive vs. their new 12-bit siblings. When looking for used models, they should sell for significantly less than the current new price. If you can afford one of the 12-bit models, that' an even better choice of course. But these (only available new today since they were only released recently) may be outside of the price range you are comfortable with.All mentioned 4-channel scopes, 8 and 12 bit from Rigol and Siglent, are easily hackable to higher bandwidth by the way.

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2024, 02:22:02 pm
content: Quote from: jackobo on April 01, 2024, 01:18:13 pmYes, such "reconciliation threads" also exist for theHantek;-)The OWON is a bit outdated in terms of memory depth, for example (10k vs 8M for the Hantek) and scales (5 mV/div vs 2 mV/div / 5ns/div vs 2ns/div ) and you'll be pretty much alone with it, as I cannot recognize any "community".Apart from that, it's always a question of price.Would I buy a Hantek for $300 or more? No way, but for $130 it offers a lot.Quote from: jackobo on April 01, 2024, 01:18:13 pmAs I said, the Rigol is clearly more recommendable if you don't mind the price.

author: rhb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2024, 09:09:58 pm
content: I bought Hanmatek branded versions via AliExpress. Both are quite satisfactory. The FFT update rate is fast.$135 + tax delivered for a competent 2 channel 140 MHz DSO? Looks good to me. It's Tek 465 with waveform storage.I'd recommend either as a budget bench scope. Bang for buck for ham radio the Owon HDS272S is the best. But has small screen.Can the Hanmatek scopes be hacked with OSHW? That would get really interesting.

author: grawutsch
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2024, 07:27:02 pm
content: I could get the Owon SDS1102 for 199€. I want to learn and look into stuff, mostly analog guitar pedals and some arduino stuff.Is this wasted money and I should go e.g. with a Rigol DHO80* or am I just fine? I want to avoid buying multipe devices and I want to avoid buying the cheapest on Aliexpress.400€ for a DHO802 is a lot of money even if I know that these are entry level scopes...

author: rhb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2024, 01:00:07 am
content: The Hanmatek label version is commonly $135 US from Hanmatek's AliExpress store.They can't do any bus decoding, so not useful for serious MCU stuff. Tek 465 with trace storage and FFT is the best description.Have Fun!Reg

author: Aldo22
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2024, 08:46:52 am
content: Quote from: grawutsch on April 12, 2024, 07:27:02 pmAs far as I can see, the Owon SDS1102 is a boring outdated scope that has no community.Maybe it's quite nice to use and doesn't cause much trouble (I don't know, I don't have one), but in terms of features and specs, the Hantek DSO2C10 is far superior among cheap benchtop DSOs (vertical range, selectable memory depth (4K, 40K, 400K, 4M, 8M), 14 trigger modes, AWG, external trigger, basic protocol decoding....)My advice: If you want to pay less than $200, take a Hantek DSO2C10 (not a "better" version), if you want to pay more than $200, take a Rigol or Siglent.