Siglent SSG3000X and SSG5000X series RF Signal generators - Page 1
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author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2018, 08:42:49 am
content: SSG5000X4 and 6 GHz modelsReleased May 2020Pricing from $ 8809https://int.siglent.com/products-overview/ssg5000x/https://siglentna.com/rf-generators/ssg5000x-series/Main FeaturesFrequency up to 4 GHz / 6 GHz0.001 Hz frequency setting resolutionMaximum output power up to +26 dBm (typ.)Phase Noise: -120 dBc/ Hz @ 1 GHz, 20 kHz offset (typ.)Standard AM & FM & PM & Pulse modulationPulse train Generator (option)External IQ signal Generator (option)High accuracy clock source (option)SSG3000X3.2 and 2.1 GHz modelshttps://www.siglentamerica.com/rf-generators/ssg3000x/https://www.siglenteu.com/rf-generators/ssg3000x-series-of-signal-generators/SSG3000X series RF signal source, output frequency range from 9 KHz to 3.2 GHz, standard AM & FM & PM analog modulation, pulse modulation, pulse sequencer, power meter control kit, etc., equipped with baseband source (eg: SDG 6000X), Implement IQ modulation for R&D, education, production, maintenance and other related fields.Features● Maximum frequency 2.1GHz/3.2 GHz● Output frequency resolution up to 0.01Hz● Output power range from +13dBm to -110dBm● Phase noise <-110 dBc/Hz@1 GHz, offset 20 kHz (typical)● Amplitude accuracy ≤ 0.7dB (typical)● Support AM/FM/PM analog modulation, support internal and external modulation● Pulse modulation function, the on-off ratio can reach 70dBc● Pulse train generator, user-definable pulse sequence (optional)● Supports external IQ modulation and outputs IQ modulated signals (optional)● Power meter control kit for easy power meter measurement and control power output● Support web remote control, which is convenient for users to remotely control devices● 5-inch capacitive touch screen for user-friendly operation● Rich communication interface: USB-HOST, USB DEVICE (USB-TMC), LAN (VXI-11, Socket, Telnet), optional GPIBDatasheet:https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/7543/US Pricing:SSG3021X 9 kHz~2.1 GHz $2549SSG3032X 9 kHz~3.2 GHz $4009SSG5000X video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=LObh3AZTTGM&feature=emb_logoThe Signal Path review video SSG5060X-V

author: BillB
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2018, 03:50:54 pm
content: Oooooh, shiny!Looks expensive.

author: LapTop006
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 04:56:53 am
content: Quote from: tautech on September 06, 2018, 08:42:49 amSounds interesting.

author: tkamiya
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2018, 10:30:59 pm
content: Looks very nice.Any idea of its price point?

author: ALLDAQ
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 30, 2018, 12:56:26 pm
content: Hi. The units came out today. In Euro they are starting at 1999.00€ for the standard 2.1GHz version. Of course there are IQE versions and accessories available. I put everything together and the ultimate unit came out at just over 6,500.00€. Really awesome prices, if you compare them to the others in the market.

author: simone.pignatti
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2018, 01:13:28 pm
content: EUROPEAN pricing as below:SSG3021X EURO 1999 + VATSSG3021X-EIQ EURO 4299 + VATSSG3032X EURO 3499 + VATSSG3032X-EIQ EURO 5699 + VATPulse train Generator option EURO 819 + VAT2.1 TO 3.2GHz BANDWIDTH UPGRADE EURO 1999 + VATRACK MOUNT KIT EURO 159 + VATto use the IQ you need a SDG6000X ARB gen series with IQ option installedENGLISH DATA SHEEThttps://www.batterfly.com/PDF/Siglent/ssg3000x-datasheet.pdf

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2018, 09:44:15 pm
content: SSG3000X Series Signal GeneratorEnglish Programming Guide

author: janekivi
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2018, 05:01:02 pm
content: Dragon has update, made by David...

author: janekivi
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2018, 05:32:52 pm
content: eee... app name is dragon and binary listing shows ../home/david/.. as CodeSourcery== volume siglent ==drwxrwxrwx 2 1000 1000 688 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 37230 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/ext_device_driver.so-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 124489 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libvncclient.so-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 419792 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libEasyLib.so-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 294114 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libvncserver.so-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 24339 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/brusvxi11.so-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 124489 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libvncclient.so.1-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 294114 2018-10-10 11:43:12 lib/libvncserver.so.1drwxrwxrwx 3 1000 1000 224 2018-10-10 11:43:12 usrdrwxrwxrwx 2 1000 1000 160 2018-10-10 11:43:12 usr/usrdrwxrwxrwx 2 1000 1000 160 2018-10-10 11:43:12 firmdata0-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 25032 2018-10-10 11:43:12 vncserverdrwxrwxrwx 2 1000 1000 160 2018-10-10 11:43:12 upgrade-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 5966131 2018-10-25 06:58:49 dragon.appdrwxrwxrwx 6 1000 1000 504 2018-10-10 11:43:11 configdrwxrwxrwx 2 1000 1000 744 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/square_wav.bin-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/sin_wav.bin-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/1FFF.bin-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 8192 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/iq.bin-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/sawtooth_wav.bin-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/2000.bin-rwxrwxrwx 1 1000 1000 32768 2018-10-10 11:43:11 config/arb/triangle_wav.bin.........................

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2018, 09:49:02 pm
content: Product ID = 15100https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-ads-firmware-file-format/msg1364981/#msg1364981.ADS parsing:Code:File Header Size: 0000007000000000 - File Checksum: BBF25EE0 [00000004-008A17CE] (with only the File Header decrypted) CKSM OK00000004 - File Size: 008A175F (without 0x70 bytes of the File Header)0000000C - Product_ID: 1510000000026 - Vendor/Brand: SIGLENT0000003A - USB Host Controller: ISP1763****************************************************Decrypting the 0x2800 and 0x1400 blocks...Reversing file...XORing with 0xFF (incrementing pattern)...XORing with 0xFF from 0x00450BB0 until 0x008A175E****************************************************00000000 --- Section Checksum: B9DCD36500000004 --- Section Size: 008A172B [00000034-008A175E] CKSM OK00000008 --- Section # 0000000700000034 --- 008A175E ***** ZIP file *****Offset Ver Flag Comp Size Packed Modified CRC32 Name Permissions Extra Details00000034 2.0 0000 0008 00119438 00002321 01-09-2016 11:44:22 B69FEE43 [0000005A-0000237A] logo.bmp MTime: 01-09-2016 04:44:44 ATime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51 CTime: 10-10-2018 12:29:510000237B 2.0 0000 0008 000001A8 000001AD 06-06-2018 23:35:09 5534B3D8 [000023A3-0000254F] readme.txt MTime: 06-06-2018 16:35:18 ATime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51 CTime: 10-10-2018 12:29:5100002550 2.0 0000 0008 00880000 00597AB9 26-10-2018 09:14:06 735161E7 [00002579-0059A031] siglent.img MTime: 26-10-2018 02:14:13 ATime: 10-10-2018 12:27:48 CTime: 10-10-2018 12:27:480059A032 2.0 0000 0008 0030C730 003071C6 23-07-2018 17:28:18 F17F0C39 [0059A056-008A121B] uImage MTime: 23-07-2018 10:28:36 ATime: 10-10-2018 12:28:14 CTime: 10-10-2018 12:28:14008A121C 2.0 0000 0008 00000B1B 00000340 17-10-2018 16:52:24 44D2343E [008A1243-008A1582] update.sh MTime: 17-10-2018 09:52:49 ATime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51 CTime: 10-10-2018 12:29:51Disk Entries: 5 Total Entries: 5 Directory Size: 454 bytes [008A1583-008A1748]****************************************************Xilinx Zynq XC7Z020 device(top_dragon_zynq.bit) parsing:Code:00000000 - 0009 (0x0009) File Header Length00000002 - 0FF00FF0 (0x0FF00FF0) File Header Long 100000006 - 0FF00FF0 (0x0FF00FF0) File Header Long 20000000A - 00 (0x00) File Header Zero0000000B - 0001 (0x0001) Key Length0000000D - 61 0031 (key a) Design Name: top_dragon_zynq;UserID=0XFFFFFFFF;Version=2015.400000041 - 62 000C (key b) Part Name: 7z020clg48400000050 - 63 000B (key c) Generation Date: 2018/09/280000005E - 64 0009 (key d) Generation Time: 10:22:530000006A - 65 003DBAFC (key e) Bitstream Length: 003DBAFC [0000006F-003DBB6A]-------------- BITSTREAM ------------------------0000006F - FFFFFFFF Padding00000073 - FFFFFFFF Padding00000077 - FFFFFFFF Padding0000007B - FFFFFFFF Padding0000007F - FFFFFFFF Padding00000083 - FFFFFFFF Padding00000087 - FFFFFFFF Padding0000008B - FFFFFFFF Padding0000008F - 000000BB Bus width auto detect, word 100000093 - 11220044 Bus width auto detect, word 200000097 - FFFFFFFF Padding0000009B - FFFFFFFF Padding0000009F - AA995566 Sync Word (BPI/SPI Mode)000000A3 - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (1x)000000A7 - 30022001 00000000 T1 W 00000001 TIMER000000AF - 30020001 00000000 T1 W 00000001 WBSTAR000000B7 - 30008001 00000000 T1 W 00000001 CMD NULL - No Operation000000BF - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (1x)000000C3 - 30008001 00000007 T1 W 00000001 CMD RCRC - Reset CRC000000CB - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (2x)000000D3 - 30026001 00000000 T1 W 00000001 FALL_EDGE000000DB - 30012001 02003FE5 T1 W 00000001 COR0000000E3 - 3001C001 00000000 T1 W 00000001 COR1000000EB - 30018001 03727093 T1 W 00000001 IDCODE000000F3 - 30008001 00000009 T1 W 00000001 CMD SWITCH - Switch CCLK Frequency000000FB - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (1x)000000FF - 3000C001 00000401 T1 W 00000001 MASK00000107 - 3000A001 00000501 T1 W 00000001 CTL00000010F - 3000C001 00000000 T1 W 00000001 MASK00000117 - 30030001 00000000 T1 W 00000001 CTL10000011F - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (8x)0000013F - 30002001 00000000 T1 W 00000001 FAR00000147 - 30008001 00000001 T1 W 00000001 CMD WCFG - Write Config Data0000014F - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (1x)00000153 - 30004000 T1 W 00000000 FDRI00000157 - 500F6C78 T2 W 000F6C78003DB343 - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (2x)003DB34B - 30008001 0000000A T1 W 00000001 CMD GRESTORE - Pulse GRESTORE Signal003DB353 - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (1x)003DB357 - 30008001 00000003 T1 W 00000001 CMD DGHIGH/LFRM - Last Frame Write003DB35F - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (100x)003DB4EF - 30008001 00000005 T1 W 00000001 CMD START - Begin Startup Sequence003DB4F7 - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (1x)003DB4FB - 30002001 03BE0000 T1 W 00000001 FAR003DB503 - 3000C001 00000501 T1 W 00000001 MASK003DB50B - 3000A001 00000501 T1 W 00000001 CTL0003DB513 - 30000001 E3AD7EA5 T1 W 00000001 CRC003DB51B - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (2x)003DB523 - 30008001 0000000D T1 W 00000001 CMD DESYNC - Reset DALIGN Signal003DB52B - 20000000 T1 - 00000000 NOP (400x)uImage parsing:Code:00000000 Magic: 27051956 uImage File OK00000004 Header CRC-32: 160D89FC [00000000-0000003F] CRC OK00000008 Created: 23-07-2018 09:27:370000000C Data Size: 0030C6F000000010 Data Load Address: 0000800000000014 Entry Point Address: 0000800000000018 Data CRC-32: 7D30264F [00000040-0030C72F] CRC OK0000001C Operating System: Linux0000001D CPU Architecture: ARM0000001E Type: OS Kernel Image0000001F Compression: None00000020 Name: Linux-3.19.1-xilinx-svn3340300000040 - Image 0 [00000040-0030C72F] 0030C6F0 bytes000041AF - (Probable) GZIP block starts at this position!Taken from the .app code (shows most of the ICs used):Code:dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("fpga", write_fpga_register, read_fpga_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("cpld", write_cpld_register, read_cpld_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad5446", write_ad5446_register, read_ad5446_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad5660", write_ad5660_register, read_ad5660_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad5660_i", write_i_ad5660_register, read_i_ad5660_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad5660_q", write_q_ad5660_register, read_q_ad5660_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("ad9122", write_ad9122_register, read_ad9122_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("adc121", write_adc121s101_register, read_adc121s101_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("hmc703", write_hmc703_register, read_hmc703_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("lmk04806", write_lmk04806_register, read_lmk04806_register);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("m25p40", write_flash, read_flash);dev_if_register_scpi_chip_access("cpld_iq", write_iq_cpld_register, read_iq_cpld_register);

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 10:25:39 am
content: Option licensing procedures:SSG3000X = SSA3000X

author: janekivi
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 05:21:45 pm
content: What about the E-SafeNet at this time?

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 08:38:12 pm
content: Quote from: janekivi on November 18, 2018, 05:21:45 pmI've seen it but it's a sample < 1024 bytes. If you know of any other Siglent Safenet file I might try its key. But, with only this one, it's impossible (due to the size) to discover the key.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2019, 09:30:55 am
content: New tool.Quick screenshot taken with SSA3032X externally 10 MHz referenced to SSG3021X 10 MHz OUT.2.1 GHz @ 0dBN-N cable 6 GHz1 MHz SPAN = yellow100 Hz SPAN = cyan

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2019, 08:45:37 pm
content: Defpom takes a look at the base model SSG3021X 2.1 GHz RF gen.

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2019, 10:34:21 pm
content: Interestingly, the same Zync module gets used as in the SDG6000X series. I guess we can expect more intruments to be released by Siglent with this main control unit.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2019, 09:31:20 am
content: New Firmware for SSG3000X models.http://old.siglentamerica.com/USA_website_2014/Firmware&Software/firmware/SSG3000X_V1.0.3.1.19R2_EN.zipVersion: V1.0.3.1.19R230.5 MBChangelog1. Add the function of flatness, new version provide two types to fill the flatness table. One is automatically with the power sensor or according to set the frequency step or the points to fill the flatness table2、 Add function of adjust reference accuracy3、 Solution some bugs of pulse train function4、 Optimize the AM performance5、 Solution some bugs of the FM function6、 Solution some bugs of the VNC control

author: BillB
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2019, 11:54:02 am
content: Has anyone purchased one of these yet?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2019, 11:57:49 am
content: Quote from: BillB on April 25, 2019, 11:54:02 amI can tell you the new FW hasn't meddled with theupgradeupgrades.

author: colorado.rob
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2019, 05:05:55 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on April 25, 2019, 11:57:49 amCan the non-IQ version be upgraded to IQ?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2019, 07:58:04 pm
content: Quote from: colorado.rob on April 25, 2019, 05:05:55 pmSadly no.The IQ HW is not installed in the 'non IQ' models and Defpom whips the lid off and confirms this.

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2019, 08:21:33 pm
content: No IQ upgrade. Just BW.

author: videobelu
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 27, 2019, 07:25:18 am
content: Quote from: tv84 on May 08, 2019, 08:21:33 pmHi I'm going to buy a SSG3021X and I wanted to ask if you can indicate me step by step the procedure to upgrade to the 3.2 GHz version ....thanks a lotFabrizio

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 10:33:12 am
content: Quote from: tautech on April 25, 2019, 07:58:04 pmHas anyone used the IQ modulation on these RF generators? Does it work? Someone has asked me to look into an RF generator with IQ modulation and I'm trying to compile a short list.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 12:33:00 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 26, 2019, 10:33:12 amWhen you look at the pricing structure for the IQ equipped models I do wonder if the cheaper and certainly more capable option is to pair the SSG3kX base model with an IQ equipped SDG6022X.Something you might want to ponder on.Jump over to the SDG6kX thread and ask owners about IQ capability:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdg6000-series-awg_s/

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 12:35:49 pm
content: AFAIK to generate an IQ modulated signal you need a dual channel function generation and an RF generation which has an IQ modulator. Come to think of it... an R&S SMIQ might do the job too.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 12:41:08 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 26, 2019, 12:35:49 pmYep, in the absence of the internal SDG3kX IQ HW option they do this:Defpom lifted the lid on mine in the vid linked on the previous page but the IQ HW is not installed in the base models.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 12:42:47 pm
content: That solution is getting rather expensive and as usual I'm wary of bugs especially when it comes to equipment which serve a niche market. I really need to propose a tried & tested solution so I'm still hoping someone with hands-on experience generating IQ modulated signals can chime in.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 12:51:53 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 26, 2019, 12:42:47 pmSure I get that but do the sums vs SSG plus IQ and then compare what you have for the outlay, a SSG that can be improvedplus a well featured 16 bit AWG that can also be improved.Like I mentioned, jump over to the SDG6kX thread and see who's using IQ in them.Further info, it seems you need a PC connected to SDG6kX to do IQ.http://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2017/12/SDG6000X_UserManual_UM0206X-E01A.pdfP65/1982.3 To Set IQ Waveform (Optional)The SDG6000X can be used as an IQ waveform generator, providing ASK, PSK, QAM, FSK, MSK and multi-tone signals. The EasyIQ software is necessary when using SDG6000X to generate an IQ waveform.The EasyIQ is a PC program used to download IQ baseband waveform data to the SDG6000X through a USB or LAN device interface.EasyIQ PC program is free for download from the SDG6kX Software page on Siglent websites:https://siglentna.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/waveform-generators/#sdg6000x-series

author: TheUnnamedNewbie
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2019, 10:34:56 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 26, 2019, 12:35:49 pmDepends on how fast your IQ has to go, and how fast your AWG is. You can have an AWG output an IQ signal around a non-DC carrier, and then mix it in a simple AM-modulation signal generator.Quote from: tautech on August 26, 2019, 12:51:53 pmThat is a real downer. There are some basic things which a generator such as this should be able to generate built-in (basic QAM/QPSK/OOK/etc modulations with simple PRBS lengths, for instance). I use these types of measurements a lot, and needing to get out a computer everytime would be somewhat annoying.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2019, 11:09:35 am
content: Quote from: TheUnnamedNewbie on August 27, 2019, 10:34:56 amNot extremely fast. It is for a very basic proof of concept.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2019, 11:51:04 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 27, 2019, 11:09:35 amWhat carrier frequency you need? With Siglent SD6000X you can combine channels in gen and get everything right from the gen if 200, 350 or 500 MHz carrier is good enough. Also you can get I/Q modulator as separate component and feed it I/Q from SDG6000X and carrier from LO, that can be whatever you have....

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2019, 11:52:54 am
content: Unfortunately the carrier needs to be much higher in the 800MHz to 1GHz range (can't go into specifics). Also the experiences of Turbotom with the SDG6000 are not giving me a warm & fuzzy feeling. Right now I'm thinking an SDG2000 and a used RF generator with IQ modulator should be able to do it. From there I expect the project to move to a real radio transmitter quickly so it doesn't make sense to invest a whole lot in getting IQ modulated signals from a test setup.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2019, 12:31:50 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 27, 2019, 11:52:54 amFair enough..If it means anything to you,most of the bugs initially found are fixed, U/I had some improvements, I/Q was also improved. Most of the problems are with fast pulses, AWG and I/Q seems OK.If you want, I can run a specific test to see if that works. Just send me PM.Regards,Sinisa

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2019, 12:32:54 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on August 27, 2019, 12:31:50 pmThank you. I'll keep that in mind.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2019, 01:24:15 pm
content: For a POC, you could use an eval board: I've used the ADRF6755 eval board with its partner USB/SPI interface with its software front end. If you're brave you can puch the SPI interface yourself, although it depends how much you value your time second guessing against purchasing the $49 USB partner board.This includes combined LO and IQ mixer for upconversion/modulation, and will generate a carrier from 100MHz to 2.4GHz, with ~8dBm P1dB. Baseband bandwidth 600MHz, if you can find an application that needs it!It was about three years ago I last used one, and the underlying parts did find their way onto a real product. There may be more modern equivalents.

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2019, 03:49:45 pm
content: TheADALM-Plutocould also be a low-cost option, especially since already some software solutions are available that may suit your specific requirements.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2020, 12:36:32 pm
content: OP updated with new release SSG5000X info

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 15, 2020, 11:02:30 am
content: SSG5000X video link added in the foot of OP.https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=LObh3AZTTGM&feature=emb_logo

author: Elasia
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 15, 2020, 02:00:13 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on June 15, 2020, 11:02:30 am0:23.. a competitors analyzer? lol

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2020, 08:00:58 am
content: New firmware for SSG3000X models.Version： V1.0.3.1.19R532.7 MBhttps://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Radio_Frequency_Signal_Source/SSG3000X_1.0.3.1.19R5_EN.zipRelease notes1. Fix a bug for power meter function2. Fix a bug for power meter filling flatness

author: noreply
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2020, 06:07:23 pm
content: Has anybody on this forum purchased on of these yet??What’s your ‘first hand’ experience – are you a happy puppyAlso can someone explain (tautech?) what is the difference / meaning ofLevel setting vs. Level of performanceFrom Siglent data sheet we have …Level setting range9 kHz≤f<100 kHz -110 dBm~+9 dBm100 kHz≤f<1 MHz -110 dBm~+15 dBm1 MHz≤f≤3.2 GHz -110 dBm~+20 dBmLevel of performance range9 kHz≤f<100 kHz -110 dBm~+7 dBm100 kHz≤f<1 MHz -110 dBm~+10 dBm1 MHz≤f≤3.2 GHz -110 dBm~+13 dBmCorrect me if I'm wrong ...Dores this mean I can 'dial-up' +20dBm on the interfaceBUTthe device is likely to produce an output of +13 dBm (guaranteed)Not sure how the above Specification / feature should be interpretedI certainly would love to have a +20dBm guaranteed output level

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2020, 08:46:45 pm
content: Setting vs Level is controlled with an external power sensor to null the impact of cables and adapters at distance from the RF source so to keep output within spec and level over its frequency range. Normal for this type of equipment AFAIK.Have a read of 2.7 Power Sensor in the User manual.http://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2018/12/SSG3000X_UserManual_UM0803X_E01A.pdfI have the SSG3021X (improved) if there's anything you want to see.

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2020, 10:04:17 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on June 29, 2020, 08:46:45 pmWhat improvements do you have, tautech?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 29, 2020, 10:07:09 pm
content: Quote from: tv84 on June 29, 2020, 10:04:17 pmThose you supplied.BW

author: noreply
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2020, 01:09:47 am
content: Quote from: tautech on June 29, 2020, 08:46:45 pmWould be nice to see what the MAX dBm level you get on a CW signal at 100MHz, 1GHz and (if enhanced) 3GHz as 'seen on a SSA3032x Plus??Thank You

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2020, 09:48:51 pm
content: Quote from: noreply on June 30, 2020, 01:09:47 amHere you go.Both instruments cold and without external frequency reference. SSG running on previous FW.10 dB attenuator fitted to SVA3032X input. Siglent 6 GHz rated N-N cable.SSG3021X3032X displays a red Unlevel warning when set to 20 dBm output like in this image from a Siglent webpage:

author: noreply
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timestamp: July 01, 2020, 02:10:31 am
content: Quote from: tautech on June 30, 2020, 09:48:51 pmThank YouNot sure what happened with the Frequency accuracy on the low end to high end with respect to the output level ??98.1333 MHz is most likely outside its spec?? when dialling-up 100MHz even if the device is 'running cold' - would have expected better Frequency accuracyHaving said that - we are assuming the SVA is doing its job and reporting the correct Marker frequenciesReason for the wide Frequencies test was to see precisely that - if the device is linier with respect to output level within its specified frequency range.One of my most important requirements is to have a 'trusted signal source' both in frequency and output level - as I most likely will be using the signal generator in the field without access to a 'second' instrument (like an SSA) to verify the quality of the RF signalMaybe there is a more accurate test to verify these parameters

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2020, 03:10:47 am
content: Quote from: noreply on July 01, 2020, 02:10:31 amNow you're addressing 2 parameters, frequencyandamplitude accuracy.Let's examine each result in this case.For me to report frequency accuracy I had 3 options:1. Exactly as measured with cold instruments and unreferenced. Both mentioned.2. Cheat. Link both instruments via their 10 MHz BNC's and then they would agree even if the frequency results weren't accurate to a real world measurement.3. Connect both to an external 10 MHz ref.......I don't possess one !So you got an honest screenshot andwith qualified conditions........something too often missing on this forum.I did use a Peak marker although I agree the frequency measurement is hardly ideal however I thought your primary interest was amplitude level flatness.Amplitude accuracy.Back a few posts you asked about: Level setting vs Level of performanceThe screenshot results and associated comments explain this, along with the Datasheet spec and User manual.To obtain flatter response a power level control sensor is required and SSG models support a few types. RTFM.So if we need a guaranteed flatness of output we have 2 options, use the SSG at frequencies where flatness is specified to 'Level accuracy ≤0.7 dB (typ.)' or connect a power level sensor, for which level accuracy will then depend on the sensors spec.

author: noreply
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2020, 03:43:48 am
content: Quote from: tautech on July 01, 2020, 03:10:47 amTautechFirst of all thank you once again for your prompt responseYes youarean honest broker – so your comments about the measurements you did are welcomed with respectAlthough my main concerns are Amplitude accuracy – I can accept a calibrationoffset(something which can be corrected like the power coupler Siglent has as an option) but having a big drift in amplitude vs. frequency is far more difficult to control as making a perfectly linear RF signal generator is not an easy task.Most of the RF signal generators seem to have amplitude responses < 20dBm– so to get accurate figures at this level would not be easy as is already indicated in the specifications data.The fact that it goes to 20dBm is a bonus– but reproducible accuracy throughout the frequency band is not something one would expect – as you have confirmed.I did have a close look at the review Defpom posted on the SSG3021X you loaned to him.It was good to have a quick look inside the unit – to see the build quality.I am not sure if the unit you made the tests on just now – was the same unit?I ask, because I am also not sure if the unit in the review video was an early production device – if so perhaps there might be some reasons (HW or FW) for the ‘cold’ frequency offset - if indeed this was the SSG and NOT the SVA which was measuringWhat made me think the above – was the multitude of scratch marks on the internal chassis that the mainboard was mounted inside the SSG.When Defpom ‘opened the sealed unit’ – I could not believe the multitude of scratches inside.Yeah – I know it makes no difference to the operation of the device – but I guess it’s some reflection on Siglent’s quality control.That’s why I suspect that the review unit must have been from a pre full production run??Anyway, with all factors aside, the SSG is certainly a nice bit of kit– it sure is a handy device and VERY functional.I like that it has an EXTERNAL modulation input (the competition, Rigol device has same)…This is VERY HANDY for those involved with FM Radio RF amplifier design.You can easily introduce a Stereo Encoder to generate external stereo signal with the 19KHz pilot as well as an RDS encoder into the external modulation input– this will give you a FULL FM broadcast signal for testing FM receiverswith modulation

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2020, 09:29:22 am
content: Quote from: noreply on July 02, 2020, 03:43:48 amYes.QuoteMaybe, it's a low SN# from not long after release.QuoteI revisited the SSG 100 MHz frequency inaccuracy today wanting to investigate if it's arealproblem or not and the findings may surprise you in that the issue has SFA to do with the SSG but instead SVA frequency inaccuracies at a full 3.2 GHz sweep.A 10 MHz reference might fix this IDK.Again, test conditions.Cold instruments with no external references, Siglent 10 dB attenuator on SVA and 6 GHz rated N-N cable.Now with a 500 MHz Span set that would be more reasonable for inspecting a SSG 100 MHz signal the frequency and amplitude are exactly as specifications prescribe.

author: noreply
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timestamp: July 02, 2020, 09:52:52 am
content: Quote from: tautech on July 02, 2020, 09:29:22 amThat's greatI suspected that something is not right - my gut tells me the SSG - especially at 100Mhz cannot have such a big discrepancy.I guess trying to normalize the marker(s) frequencies in the SVA over such a large span - might cause inaccuracies.Remember ...2MHz at 100MHz represents 2% error2MHz at 3GHz represents 0.06% errorNot sure how the SVA calculates marker frequencies in such a large span - there must be some normalization taking place to help with the maths??But yeah .. something to be mindful about - for accuracy in frequency readings - reduce the analysis span for sure

author: noreply
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timestamp: July 08, 2020, 03:47:16 am
content: Quote from: tautech on August 26, 2019, 12:41:08 pmWhat is the actual IQ HW in the IQ models?Is it - a logic board and connectors - or just connections to the external interface and appropriately enabled software to handle these signals?Just curious if an 'enhanced' SSG3021xwith the HW addition of the external connectorscould be driven with SDG6032x to providefull IQ functionality

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 03:51:51 am
content: Quote from: noreply on July 08, 2020, 03:47:16 amFrom the SSG3000X webpage:External IQ modulation with SDG6000X as the baseband IQ signalBut, this requires the SDG6000X to have the IQ option enabled.

author: noreply
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timestamp: July 08, 2020, 04:05:13 am
content: Quote from: tautech on July 08, 2020, 03:51:51 amOK .. then this makes more sense nowIf we need external modulation - then the 'non IQ' variant of the SSA3000X could beenhanced to be an IQ model- by virtue that at this moment in time Siglent hasnot deployed any IQ HW to reside inside the SSA- other than the external IQ connections and associated internal cables??

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 04:52:58 am
content: Quote from: noreply on July 08, 2020, 04:05:13 amThis is where you need look hard at actual instrument requirements and price the options carefully.Basic SSG3000X and SGD6000XorSSG3000X-IQE model.Basic and SDG6000X (with IQ option) allows for a much more versatile total package IMO.Correction below from TurboTom

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 10:25:51 am
content: @tautech: I'm not sure if this is correct. If I understand the SSG user manual correctly, in order to generate an IQ modulated RF output, you anyway need to supply an external IQ baseband signal (i.e. using the SDG6000X with IQ option)anduse the IQ-Enabled version of the SSG3000X.The IQE version apparently contains more additional hardware than just a pair of wires that run the in-phase and quadrature baseband signals to the existing motherboard of the SSG.If someone is looking for generating IQ modulated RF signals with lab gear on a "budget (...)", he may be better off with the Rigol DSG800 series which is considerably less expensive in the "A" (IQ-Enabled) version than the competing Siglent generators. Other features not compared so YMMV.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 10:47:24 am
content: Quote from: TurboTom on July 08, 2020, 10:25:51 amTom,AFAIK you're correct. You need SDG6000X with IQ option and IQ-Enabled version of the SSG3000X.Regards,Sinisa

author: noreply
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timestamp: July 08, 2020, 12:12:02 pm
content: Here is a good 'hands-on' and the pros / cons of the SDG6000X - check out @ 1hour 2 minutes (1:02:00) into the video - and in particular @ 1:06:15 - where its shown thatANYRF signal generator with appropriate IQ modulator such as one used in videohttps://www.craneae.com/Products/Microwave/ApplicationNotes/Modulators.pdfand an ARB IQ source could be used for IQ test regimes

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 01:43:45 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on July 08, 2020, 10:47:24 amThat seems expensive...Rigol seems a much better option in $$$ terms.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 01:53:56 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on July 08, 2020, 10:47:24 amYes sorry guys.P11 of the datasheet explains requirements.http://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2018/11/SSG3000X_Datasheet_DS0803X_E01B.pdfQuote from: tv84 on July 08, 2020, 01:43:45 pmnorepy wanted the 20dB output capability.

author: noreply
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timestamp: July 08, 2020, 02:17:26 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on July 08, 2020, 01:53:56 pmYes, but there are other devices which all have 20dbm capabilityI think tv was referring to the IQ options available via Siglent as being expensiveFor the cost of a SSG3021X (IQ enabled) AND SDG6000X - you can buy an integrated IQ enabled RF Sig Gen + have some change for

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 02:23:59 pm
content: Quote from: noreply on July 08, 2020, 02:17:26 pmSDG6052X already can do 500 MHz IQ.I don't have mine here to try some stuff to show you unfortunately as it's with a buddy trying out the IQ on a SSA3075X-R.

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 02:39:09 pm
content: Let's do some math to check if I'm doing something wrong.In order to have RF with IQ modulation (2.1GHz):SSG3021X IQ (5000€) + SDG6022X (1520€) = 6520€Rigol (2.1GHz):Rigol DSG821A (with IQ included) = 4000€If this is correct I would say SSG3021X IQ is overpriced! Am I right?

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 04:22:39 pm
content: True -- I didn't even notice that the DSG800A series offers an internal baseband generator so it can be used as a stand-alone source of an IQ-modulated RF signal. If configured like that, it will output the baseband signal at the corresponding ports at the back of the instrument. Likewise to other Rigol generators, the connectivity is superb and considerably better than Siglent's offerings can provide.As it appears,Rigol's DSG800 series is capable of +20dbm output level as well, even though not specified. If this is the case for all models of the line and over the full bandwidth, is yet to be evaluated.Considering that the SSG3021X-IQE can probably be up-hacked into the SSG3032X-IQE model, may make Siglent's offer appear more attractive, but since this class of instruments will rather be purchased by "professionals", hacking options are less likely to affect the decision making. If Rigol's 2.1GHz version can be "improved" to the full-bore 3.6GHz model is something I'ld rather doubt.

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2020, 04:41:09 pm
content: Quote from: TurboTom on July 08, 2020, 04:22:39 pmCan't. Been there.Yes, it can! (Been there with a non-IQ version.)Quote from: TurboTom on July 08, 2020, 04:22:39 pmThat would make it even more interesting. Let's see if any DSG volunteer comes up.

author: tv84
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timestamp: July 09, 2020, 10:50:44 am
content: A look inside SSG, compiled from service manual, showing just the Control Board and the extra IQ Module.

author: noreply
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timestamp: July 09, 2020, 02:56:16 pm
content: Nice find tvNow we need similar 'inside the box' pics for the Rigol DSG800A series

author: Sighound36
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timestamp: July 09, 2020, 03:18:43 pm
content: Noreply far to manysmiles, reminds me of a certain internet forum personality from the north of England

author: noreply
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timestamp: July 09, 2020, 04:01:43 pm
content: Quote from: Sighound36 on July 09, 2020, 03:18:43 pmYou can blame Dave for the lack of appropriate Emoji's for me to useI just feel 'naked' without ending a sentence without an emoji , and the 'smile' was the least offending I guess(see I took note of your comment - refrained from using emoji above)

author: tautech
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timestamp: December 28, 2020, 07:11:39 am
content: New firmware for SSG5000X modelsVersion： V1.1.1.2.4https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Radio_Frequency_Signal_Source/SSG5000X_V1.1.1.2.4_EN.zip37.5 MBRelease notesFix: The UI was not updated in time when the power meter was pulled out.Fix: GPIB Address can not be changed.Fix: The mouse is hidden under VNC.Fix: Some wrong SCPI commands were executed.Optimize function with OCXO module.Optimize power meter function.Following not publicly released however included in this latest FW update.Version V1.1.1.2.22020/09/02Fix: Some power meter related SCPI commands do not workFix: UI cannot be set without IQ boardVersion V1.1.1.2.12020/08/17Optimize an overshoot signal generated when ALC is off.Changing the offset range of multicarrier.Optimizing the process of multicarrier generation.Add a prompt box when using remote mode.Use new license generation schemeVersion V1.1.1.1.9c2020/06/18Fix: There is a probability that white screen will appear after power on.Fix: AWGN State no reset.The IQ board detection only needs detection once.Version V1.1.1.1.9a2020/5/14 The first released

author: Bicurico
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timestamp: December 28, 2020, 11:05:49 am
content: Any owner available for a test?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2021, 08:57:07 am
content: The Signal Path review of SSG5060X-V added to the OP.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2021, 07:48:46 pm
content: New firmware for SSG5000X models.Version： V1.1.1.2.537.5 MBhttps://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Radio_Frequency_Signal_Source/SSG5000X_V1.1.1.2.5_EN.zipRelease notes1. Fix: In the custom mode, when save the state, some items are not saved.2. Fix: Arb mode and pulse mode conflict. Now they can work simultaneously.3. Fix: In Arb mode, there are some spurs, when On/Off the RF Mode button.4. Fix: Some problems about LAN setting, VNC

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2023, 11:58:41 am
content: here's my take on my first labview project to control this puppyBasic Frequency control no Am Fm ...And Pulse generation ...From Siglent labview demo, there is one at NI tooMy coding skill sucks .... don't ask for more lollNi Visa stuff need to be installed too ...

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2023, 03:51:58 pm
content: Reworked some buttons sizes

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2023, 02:36:35 pm
content: oh received questionsthe original siglent labview files : SSG-X-series-Labview-Driver-V2.0.zip available at their instrument download ...the zipped VIMy Project fileput there : SSG-X-series-Labview-Driver-V2.0\Public\ConfigureOR The one who contain everything :SSG-X-series-Labview-Driver-V2.0 - 1.zipYou launch : Siglent SSG Series.lvproj and open the VI I createdlots of thing to learn and very old tutorials on the web

author: Detlev
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2023, 04:20:54 pm
content: It's pretty quiet around the SSG5000X here. What is your experience with the SSG? Is it recommended? The so-called A-brands are clearly more expensive than the Siglent

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2023, 08:36:55 pm
content: Its good for the use i have at my job, to go into the very low db outputs, -110 dbI use it for very short pulse generationHacked loll to 3.2 gig output, but does not have the IQ option boardI wold say works pretty well, but clumsy touch screen interface in some ways /too smallloll .... thats why i tried to build an NI Labview interface, since i play a lot with output levels, the joggle encoder wont survive longDoes the job ... and saved $$$ since hacked lollFor sure its a big unit, and may not please audienceBut if an Labview expert is lurking around loll PM meI have a hard time to figure out a few things and or add the AM / FM options etc ... and compile it to an full executable, i dont know if i can get rid of the NI Labview frontpanel or have the front panel RUN arrow integrated in the software GUI

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2023, 07:04:49 pm
content: New firmware for SSG3000X modelsVersion： V1.0.3.1.2132 MBhttps://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Radio_Frequency_Signal_Source/SSG3000X_V1.0.3.1.21_EN.zipRelease notes1. Fixed the defects related to the flatness list function2.Fixed the defects related to SCPI command3. Fixed the defects related to the VNC function.

author: james38
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2023, 11:32:14 pm
content: Update successful without issues so far.Regards Chris

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2024, 03:04:02 pm
content: hi @alltried to "hack" a new ssg3021x received yesterday, and alas i did not took notes on this one, i can not make it work againhere's is the main.py i've tried, with an added 30M,2100M, 3200M, and 21BW32option(s) not sure if they placed at the right option lines ....tried with the sn only, or both sn and scopeid ... no availMCBD? reports nothing on theses modelsMD5_SRLN? and MD5_PR? works fineHELP ?

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2024, 06:17:14 pm
content: "SSG3000X", "3200", "TRAI", "INQU", "POWE", "PULS"

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 12:22:00 am
content: oh damn never tought of theses, or never knew, can't even recall i used thisor you where the helper TV84Since MCBD? request are not workingIs there other ways thru scpi to request installed licenses, to do a cross check like other instruments ??ill answer tomorrow for the BW upgradethks once again

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 10:47:43 am
content: not working .... '3200' or '3200M' 'MAX' this one is resisting all attemptsedited python script to reflect what i've triedempty SCOPEID or the same as SN, nothing worked

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2024, 04:57:30 pm
content: ok for the scriptslots of conflicting infosSCOPE ID / HOST ID scripts versions etc .... capital or lowercase entries etc ... there is a few floating around the webhere's the one ive found with lots of comments in it, and i added some of my comments, who worked for me (attached) some say try the SSA script .... it does not work for me, numbers doesn't fit, i'll retry them laterIT IS A SCOPE SCRIPTor i mess things up again lollchecked with a few equipment's i had noted their " before and after " ... but not on 1st SSG3000Xand i received help for it.FOR THE SSG3000X series do note, now i have 2x of them BW upgraded, they don't respond to MCBD? commands and not MCBD xxxxxxx when you try to enter unlock numbers, i had to do it thru the front panel.hope it help a few here, because infos are getting so diluted between threads ... and i'm not god lolli have to thank some people hereo it

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2024, 03:37:34 pm
content: updatedThe 'WIFI' is found at 2 places, not sure witch is right or wrong, take this with a grain of saltadded some text

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2024, 06:40:54 pm
content: reworked other buttons sizes .... totally forgot how to ...you need NI runtime engine ....

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 07:01:13 pm
content: My SSG3032X arrived today, nice piece.Very good, it also has a web interface like the scopes.As I already have 3.2Ghz, I still have one option left, the SSG3000X-PT.Do the IQE models have different hardware?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 07:40:39 pm
content: I find the menu visually very appealing.Now I have to get another rackmount kit for the "Tower of Power"...

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 08:50:50 pm
content: Rackmount shelves are probably a better investment, unless you need the gear bolted down for some reason.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 09:01:49 pm
content: I'm afraid I don't quite follow you, what do you mean with shelves?I have a 19" rack and depending on where the devices are in it, I have to fix them.And that works with the kit for the SSG.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 09:31:19 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 02, 2024, 07:01:13 pmYes, AFAIK.Unit weight is specified as:Weight without packagecontain IQ modulator board4.84 kgYou can see where it should be in Defpoms teardown:https://youtu.be/ybUVSNTBHzw?t=2475

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 10:59:53 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 02, 2024, 09:01:49 pmSiglent's SSG rack kit is $189.Or you can get a 2-pack of these rack shelves for $47 (total) that can each hold 110lbs:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084CZCGFPThen you'll also have space on the sides for fixtures or whatever. Unless you don't think it's pretty enough. 😉

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 12:53:39 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on August 02, 2024, 09:31:19 pmJust weighed,4.72kg....You can't have everything.Afterwards I read that you could generate 2-tone signals with the IQE function, which wouldn't have been bad of course.Well, maybe I'll ask one day whether I can buy such a board later.@Josh:Ah, that's what it means...For us, "shelves" means something like that.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 02:41:54 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 03, 2024, 12:53:39 pmSame here, but rack shelves go on racks. 😉

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 03:19:34 pm
content: Crazy thing...What you meant is called "Fachboden" here.If I enter "Fachboden" into the translator, it says "shelf".But if I enter "shelf", it translates it with what I posted as a picture...Never mind, but that's also a good idea, I'll take a closer look.It's also easier to get.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 03:57:45 pm
content: More importantly, you can put the extra $150 you're saving towards an LCX100. 😉

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 05:49:16 pm
content: There is a new firmware for the SSG3000X models, from last month.Quotehttps://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Radio_Frequency_Signal_Source/SSG3000X_V1.0.3.1.22_EN.zipSounds unspectacular, but there is usually "more" to it than the official note.I haven't had any luck hacking the PT option yet......

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 08:35:28 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 03, 2024, 05:49:16 pmDeeper attention to some things are required.See reply #5https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unified-keygen-script-for-siglent/

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 08:46:34 pm
content: My dear Rob, I'm just a little fool.Not a big one.But I can't see very well, the matter of whether or not there is an IQE module is clarified very quickly without measuring weight.

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2024, 11:30:07 pm
content: Hello from Germany,I have a question for you, I have the Siglent SSG3021X which no longer has an output as of today, I had not previously set up a device with it and then suddenly the output was DEAD, at the absolute output maximum there was still a low signal level but no signal full power more.Now the question is what could be defective here, with a circuit diagram I would certainly be able to determine it straight away, but where can I get something like that from?Do any of you have a circuit diagram of the HF output?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2024, 11:44:14 pm
content: Quote from: Nokia6681 on August 06, 2024, 11:30:07 pmFirst Preset then adjust Level and Frequency to values you can easily test.Have you checked the BNC LF output is working correctly ?Then work through the SM checks:https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/19_11_22/b8cd0afabb.pdf

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2024, 11:56:34 pm
content: I never use the LF output.a check using the service instructions does not reveal any errors. I think that the device that I previously compared may have sent and destroyed the output Amp.Unfortunately, Siglent only specifies a maximum DC input voltage at the output but does not indicate the maximum amount of HF that can enter the output. I haven't disassembled it yet to get a closer look at the components used.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2024, 12:00:15 am
content: Quote from: Nokia6681 on August 06, 2024, 11:56:34 pmYet it is a check the rest of the generator is working correctly and any damage is confined to HF RF output.Not heard of damage/failures in these before so do keep us posted with your findings.

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2024, 12:23:02 am
content: I'm going to carry out more tests today, especially regarding the LF output, but I think I destroyed it with the radio, it's quite possible that I was transmitting with it and forgot to put it back on the dummy load and the generator was damaged as a result .My dealer said 4 years ago that nothing is normally repaired on this device but that it is either repaired or replaced at a flat rate, but spending over 1000 euros on it makes me reluctant to look for a circuit diagram, but I will do it this afternoon as soon as I can I have time to disassemble and see what generates the output here, the driver stage must still be working because with the full output power setting, around 10-20µV still comes out of the output.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2024, 12:32:04 am
content: Quote from: Nokia6681 on August 07, 2024, 12:23:02 amI'm 100% sure many could benefit from your findings and any imagery of PCB and devices.Best of luck.

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2024, 12:45:43 am
content: YES i will do my best, Pictures i will Record some of this , i hope sharp !

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2024, 06:46:44 am
content: Reverse power events are the usual culprits of such failures in RF signal generators. Even though virtually all these instruments have some reverse power protection at their outputs, if you happen to supply "enough" power in reverse, these measures either aren't fast enough or just won't be able to cope with the amount of power (some single-digit wattage will most probably be tolerated for a short time, but if it's in the 100W ballpark, it's "Hasta la vista, Baby").These defects can be repaired in most cases since they are usually very localized, but it's questionable if the instrument is still in spec after the repair and even more so if you will be able to get a schematic. Higher reverse power events also may charr some components and even damage the PCB. I was lucky that two repairs of R&S SM300s with similar problems turned out okay for me (also no schematics, but at least a decent block diagram available). I think the Siglent generator will be easier to repair simply due to the more "organized" mechanical construction. But you will definitely need some experience and RF technology knowledge, and identifying components may be somewhat awkward as well.Depending on your own experience, it may ba a good idea to disassemble the instrument and post some good, detailed photos of the relevant section here for supportive opinions before starting to actually "rework" the instrument.Good luck with the repair and all the best,Thomas

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2024, 08:23:36 pm
content: Today I removed the mainboard and checked, R620 (49.9R) burned out, but the U70 is still supplied with 3.3V voltage, U46 should get voltage via C755, as does U45 via C754, at least I did with U45 There is voltage on both pins of C754, and all other components that look like this are apparently suppression chokes + CU70 is the same chip as the Siglent SSA 3021 digital attenuator.The LF output works perfectly, I have now ordered the H1118.I was also able to measure the HF at full power up to U39, but after that the HF continues to decrease, but it could be that the U70 is blocking the data due to the 30W that went into it and now other ICs can't switch properly here.I have to put all the pictures on my server because I can only post 2 pictures in full resolution here

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2024, 08:27:46 pm
content: Here is the Link to my Server Folder with more Pictures uncompressed !https://www.asz-muenchen.de/reserve/Siglent/

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2024, 10:18:46 pm
content: In Germany if you need spare parts there is absolutely nothing left, you can't even get the 49.9 ohm resistor anywhere, these days you have to order everything from somewhere abroad, it's a shame and you then wait for these parts for weeks, It's no fun anymore to repair any device. Just buy and use everything and throw it in the electronic waste.Is that also the case in your countries? Or can you get parts better here, Mauser Elektronik has pretty much no idea where they get these parts from, but you don't really want to order everything for 20 euros or so much that you don't need in order to save on shipping do it.Have you looked at the pictures, a super clean layout, but beware of something broken like mine is currently, then good advice is very expensive.

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2024, 06:37:20 am
content: My approach for initial fault finding would be to remove U70 (Hittite / Analog H1118) and to jumper pads 14 and 3 on the pcb with a wire as short as possible. If the output signal is re-established at the proper level, replace U70 and you should be ready to go.The tricky part will be removal of U70 since it's got an exposed pad, the board appears to be at least a hybrid composition, maybe Rogers, and the "white" (RF) side of it isn't typically known for its rigidity... Traces are easily pulled off if the solder isn't completely liquefied. Lead-free solder that Siglent used for assembly doesn't simplify things either. You need a decent SMT rework setup and some experience to get it right. At least, I wouldn't approach the job with single-sided heating of the PCB, due to the multiple layers of copper inside.I hope that the "dump switch" U70 has saved the rest of the circuitry!All the best,Thomas

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2024, 05:08:51 pm
content: Yes, I'll do that as soon as the 1118 is delivered. Mauser has withdrawn the order because only certain companies can order it but not on my Company, I have now ordered it via Farnell. It should supposedly arrive tomorrow, if it is true, I will be surprised.Soldering and unsoldering is no problem for me, hot air and very good flux, I do these and BGA almost every day, just don't drink coffee beforehand!I'll do the connecting of the input and output after it's outside, I measured it again yesterday with the Speci, which comes out at the back with the 2.2V set (10-12µV), so to speak, nothingAs soon as I have the new one, I measured it without the IC and then with the new one back in, I'll report back.

author: markus_jlrb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 12:09:22 pm
content: Dears,I would not like to open a new thread, as my question is partially related to the SDG6kX devicein combination with the SSG3kX.I would like to ask if someone of you had already tried to pass a IQ signal generated by the SDG6kXto the internal ports available in the SSA3kX (without IQ HW option)?See the internal SSG3kX pic's listed few postings above.Markus

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 01:19:56 pm
content: Won't work...unfortunatelyIf you follow the traces around J1 and J2, you will find two two-way switches U18 and U22 that either link the RF signal internally (via C122, R40 Jumper, C124) or externally to J1 (output to the I/Q modulator module) and from J2 (input from the external I/Q modulator module) towards the AM modulator section. Without this module, the SSG3kX won't do I/Q modulation.Cheers,Thomas

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 01:46:36 pm
content: Hi...After I was contacted by a forum member, I have now understood it and am of the opinion that this is indeed still abug:Screensaver function...You set it to say 1min, then it actually runs - but not after a restart.Even if you set the power-on state to "last", it does nothing.According to the menu, the system then remembers that the screensaver was set from "off" to 1 minute, but it is no longer activated.Only if you change it back to "off" and then again - and then it only works for the current "session", after a restart the screensaver is no longer executed as described above.Martin

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 08:03:07 pm
content: The H1118 was delivered just one day after ordering.Apparently I burned the first IC while soldering it in, but I didn't use the second IC again with hot air but used it conventionally and so far everything is working as before.The problem with soldering in and out is the circuit board, so much heat is drawn off via the circuit board that you can't actually solder it in here without a heating plate on the underside and I don't have a heating plate, all the other ICs do So far in my life I have only replaced it with hot air, but this... and at a maximum of 280 degrees, which this IC can handle according to the specifications, you don't really get very far when soldering in, even if the tin is included Its melting point is 185 degrees, the board eats it like nothing.The main thing is that the generator is now running again inside, what more could you want.But I don't want to remove or solder this IC again without bottom heat!

author: markus_jlrb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 08:08:49 pm
content: @TurboTom,according to the UI, an external IQ signal could be enabled in the SSG3kX.That's what confusing me. But on the other hand no external IQ Input BNCare available, but the case is already prepared for this purpose.Btw the UM claim that external IQ modulation via a SDG6kX is possible, butSiglent support decline this statement written in the manual.Markus

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 08:21:41 pm
content: The whole IQE story stands or falls on whether you have an IQE model.This requires the board inside and the two BNC sockets on the rear panel.If you don't have such a model, you probably don't need to think about it any further.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 08:28:07 pm
content: Quote from: markus_jlrb on August 11, 2024, 08:08:49 pmPlease find attached the very User Manual.Page 74:2.8 I/Q ModulationI/Q modulation, i.e. two orthogonal signals (carriers with the same frequency, phasedifference of 90°, generally expressed by Sin and Cos) and I (In-Phase, in-phasecomponent) and Q (Quadrature Phase) signals are respectively modulated by carrier andtransmitted together, thereby improving spectrum utilization.Note: Only some models are equipped with IQ modulation function. For specific models,please refer to the SSG3000X data sheet.User Manual is for both I/Q model and the basic model without I/Q module.Data sheet also plainly says there are two models..

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 09:32:08 pm
content: If this option was not ordered when you purchased it, the device does not have it and cannot be selected on the front of the display. My device does not have this function, if I had wanted it I would have had to order it with an additional payment when purchasing it.I don't think Siglent offers to buy these separately because the firmware software also needs to be expanded.

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2024, 09:47:36 pm
content: The generator probably also needs to undergo an extended calibration since the I/Q modulator has to operate over the full bandwidth of the instrument. Thats one of the disadvantages of the "direct frequency generation" approach.Other instruments like the R&S SM300 feature a frequency mixing approach to generate the desired output. There, the I/Q modulation is much easier since it can be applied to the "fixed frequency" mixer input. Moreover, wide frequency sweeps are possible. The advantage of the "direct" approach is that it's way less difficult to generate very low phase noise signals. So, both methods have their pros and cons.

author: markus_jlrb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2024, 08:44:13 am
content: @TurboTom,thanks for explanation - I was not aware of this concept Siglent is using inside the SSG3kX device.QuoteDue to the fact that internally we have two ports on the main PCB for I/Q I was convinced that there must by amixer present to modulate the carrier with the fed in I/Q signal.But when the mixing is done inside the FPGA you are right that my request could not be fulfilled.Nevertheless I'm keen to check what will happen if I provide a small I/Q signal to the both internal ports.Have to wait until my grantee for my device is expired and will explore in this time the opportunity toget an I/Q module from Siglent repair support team in Germany.Will report my findings as soon I get a proper hint on this topic.Markus

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2024, 05:01:28 pm
content: I don't think that will help you at all because you can't select anything in this menu. Software nor ready for this.

author: markus_jlrb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2024, 06:33:06 pm
content: QuoteCould it be the case the the menu becomes active when the internal circuit detects a signal?Some SA allow you select an ext. ref clock only if an ext. ref clock is provided to the corresponding port.Markus

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2024, 07:51:14 pm
content: My Siglent devices all have a 10 MHz input. If the device recognizes internally that a 10 MHz signal is being applied, it automatically switches to the external reference, but every frequency counter also has this, but the interface is apparently recognized differently here when you look at it If you look at it, you can see an interface extension on the mainboard and there are also 2 SMA connections on the side of the mainboard, but you shouldn't really worry about tapping into anything because nobody knows what kind of signals are or have to be generated and fed in here.Take a look at the price difference between the device without I/Q and with it, that's a difference of 3000 euros, I took a look at it at Batronix and they don't have the additional module under accessories, but there is an additional activation option available for it, just that Without the expansion I/Q board, this activation expansion option will also be meaningless.But if you need this option after that, I would sell the one without I/Q as best as possible and then add a lot of euros and buy one with I/Q already installed.I don't see any possibility of growing something here that will actually work.

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2024, 08:33:05 pm
content: Quote from: markus_jlrb on August 12, 2024, 06:33:06 pmSeems like you still "want to believe" that there's some free lunch beyond the frequency upgrade... Please have a look at the photos ofthis contribution. The I/Q-enabled version contains a complete additional board with an "RF Magic Box" that hides the wide-band I/Q modulator itself. The two SMB sockets on the SSG3kX mainboard can be considered as a Pre-Main connection of a HiFi amplifier that permits to plug in an equalizer or the like. If you don't need it, you just link them together. This link is closed internally on the main board via a pair of semiconductor microwave switches.The I/Q add-on board contains a direct quadrature modulator, something like theHMC1097or similar. Then there's probably some interface, amplification, a digital communication with the main board (which probably also enables the I/Q menus) and possibly some calibration memory that permits Siglent to iron out the modulator's non-linearities. Feeding "some" signal into the main board's SMB interface won't have any effect (except you may fry the microwave switches if the signal is too strong), since you won't be able to enable the signal path via the SMBs...Use common sense, have a good look at Nokia6681's photos of the main board and follow the signal -- hint: it's easier to follow it in reverse, from the SSG's output back to the signal generation sections -- you may learn something. The nice thing with this RF circuitry is that from a distance, the design appears pretty simple and is easy to follow - the difficulty is hidden in the details.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2024, 08:43:15 pm
content: If you look at the teardown video from defpom, you can see that it's not "just" the missing IQE board, there are also empty spaces on the mainboard that need to be populated.So you should say goodbye to the idea that it is enough to get the board somehow.I have just done it.

author: markus_jlrb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2024, 06:27:24 am
content: Nokia6681, TurboTom, Martin72,thanks for your effort to point out what I probably not take into consideration while thinking about this issueof kind DIY IQ extension for the SSG3kX.Some remarks concerning your arguments more in details.@Nokia6681QuoteI have spent some Euros before on a SDG6kX with the IQ option enabled.That's the reason I'm looking for a opportunity to feed this signal into my SSG3kXpurchased this year. If this is in general possible is one point to explore andthrow some thoughts on it instead of spending more money.If this could not be achieved as some of your experts state I could come back to theproposed solution and spend more money on this.But as I'm not using my lab equipment for professional purpose but more for my hobby,time and effort is not the first point to take into consideration. It's just the fun and challengeto gain this goal without spent more money.@Martin72QuoteThanks for this point. I have watch the YT video from defpom but honestly not noticethis. Will check this more sophisticated to catch what you mentioned.@TurboTomQuoteSeems that I missed some basics of the signal path, but I was convinced up to this time and this isstill the case, that when you have two sig channels (I & Q) the hf modulator has to be behind and notbefore this stage. Please correct me if I'm wrong.The only point that is possible is that my assumption the both connectors at the rear of the mainboardare I&Q is wrong.If this is the case my idea of the IQ extension is based on wrong fundamentals so I have to apologizefor wasting your time for this discussion.Thanks for your patienceMarkus

author: markus_jlrb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2024, 04:22:30 am
content: One more thought on this issue.Could it be that the two coax connectors provide only a I/Q clock and the I/Q data istransferred via the parallel pin header interface from the I/Q board to the main board?Just an idea, not sure if reasonably.Markus

author: TurboTom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2024, 09:43:45 am
content: Sorry for being blunt, but do your homework! There have been more than enough hints where to look. It appears to me that you have no clue of the basic operation of this RF signal generator and you als don't want to learn.Again: There is no I/Q related circuitry on the SSG3kX's mainboard, period! All that the two SMB sockets provide is a switched extension path to splice in an external (additional board) I/Q modulator. You should really read some basics about RF signal generation and (complex) modulation approaches. I'm not an expert on this subject myself but I learned what I know about it by reading publications and datasheets as an autodidact. I know my limits and I'm not ashamed to admit them. It takes time to educate yourself but posting nonsense here time and time again won't get you nowhere. If you think you can magically improve the existing SSG by arbitrarily connecting some signals to its internal extension ports, do it and show us the results. Otherwise, it may be a good idea to learn from others' hints and tips and first introduce yourself to the theory.Once again, sorry for my rather "direct" approach but in some way or the other, you provoked this. No offense meant.All the best,Thomas

author: Nokia6681
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2024, 07:00:41 pm
content: Tell Siglent GermanySIGLENT Technologies Germany GmbHAdd: Staetzlinger Str. 7086165 Augsburg, GermanyTel: +49(0)-821-666 0 111 0Fax: +49(0)-821-666 0 111 22info-eu@siglent.com

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2024, 08:27:02 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 03, 2024, 05:49:16 pmI'm too stupid for that...As far as the IQ-E thing is concerned:I have now asked directly and will post the answer here.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2024, 09:02:47 pm
content: Quote from: TurboTom on August 16, 2024, 09:43:45 amYup, it's pretty clear which models are IQE capable as it's not an option but a different unit at a higher price.Just need to scroll down the webpage.https://www.siglenteu.com/rf-generators/ssg3000x-series/

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 16, 2024, 09:21:32 pm
content: However, Siglent's nomenclature is sometimes a little unfortunate, see in particular the 3000 series of analyzers.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2024, 07:40:11 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 03, 2024, 05:49:16 pmThat is now a thing of the past.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2024, 05:18:23 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 16, 2024, 08:27:02 pmNot a chance.As you know, you need the IQE board and this is not available retrospectively.So we can consider the issue closed.

author: SHF
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2025, 06:07:01 pm
content: new firmware available Version： V1.1.4.0.6now the screen saver works properlyhttps://int.siglent.com/download/firmwares/?ProId=31

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2025, 06:35:08 pm
content: From the firmware revision:QuoteWhat?!....QuoteThere are other things that have been fixed that are not listed.

author: james38
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2025, 11:04:01 am
content: Which ones are not listed here?Regards Chris

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2025, 11:57:21 am
content: Hi,With my 3032X (2024) I had problems with sweeping and with the encoder (delayed recognition), I no longer have these problems.

author: james38
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2025, 01:50:13 pm
content: Thanks Martin for the info.I'll check if that's the case there too. Mine's from 2020.Regards Chris

author: SHF
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2025, 03:53:06 pm
content: new firmware available Version： V1.1.4.0.71. Modified the return of * OPT and added custom IDNand OPT2. Added LXI3. Add SCPI command recording function4. Fixed some bugsa) Resolve the issue of not reducing the number ofoptionsb) Resolve the issue of incorrect power in certainsituationshttps://int.siglent.com/download/firmwares/?ProId=31

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2025, 04:06:04 pm
content: QuoteFor the SSG3000X, this should be mentioned, as the models are treated separately.The current status of the SSG5000X is V2.1.3.0.5.