Job Interview - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / beginners

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 09:47:06 pm
content: This may be a slightly humorous question. Do I have to be clean shaven for an EE interview? I look young, awkward, and it feels irritating when I have a close shave. I have a well-kept stubble at the moment. I look neat and professional, but will this lack of a clean shave pose a risk? Thanks!

author: 8086
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 09:50:08 pm
content: This is entirely subjective and depends on who interviews you.I always shave for an interview, and wear a suit. Hasn't failed me yet!If in doubt, play it safe.

author: Araho
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 09:57:43 pm
content: I would say if it suits your style, keep it the way you like it (in moderation, of course). Then again, where I'm from (Norway), there isn't really much focus on dresscodes at work. It'll be interesting to see the replies here!

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 10:01:36 pm
content: I always wear a suit to interviews. I really want this job, so that's why I was consulting the forum. Every time I have a clean shave, my skin gets irritated and it doesn't look good. Is that better than chancing a neatly bounded designer stubble? I don't have a neck beard and it's maintained. I just don't want to show up with a baby face that has red marks on it if it's not a big deal.I searched for current employees and some of them have facial hair, but that doesn't mean it's okay for an interview.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 10:09:51 pm
content: As 8086 says it depends quite a bit on the interviewer.The best thing is to be comfortable with your appearance and to be neat and tidy. In the UK a suit is rarely wrong for any sort of interview.Of course if your interviewer objects to well-groomed stubble, do you want to work there?

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 10:11:39 pm
content: You're absolutely right. This is how I like to look and it's not unprofessional. I wouldn't want to work at a place where I need to shave everyday.

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 10:18:55 pm
content: I think the only time I've shaved in the last ten years has been for interviews.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 10:36:01 pm
content: What about an electric razor with Lectricshave? When I had my electric, that is what I used. It stands up the whiskers and makes it easier to shave. I have sensitive skin myself.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 10:43:00 pm
content: In the last 10 or so years of hiring, I rarely see full suits, and appearance is one of the least important factors in actually getting the job. That is assuming your "clean", ie not a total scruff, showered etc.My last few positions I showed up in jeans and a T-shirt, 2-3 days no shave, got all the jobs, but YMMV. I researched these companies thoroughly before hand, knew in advance these guys saw right through the suit facade.You don't want to work for somebody/company that feels the need to control via dress, that is of course unless the environment dictates is, ie clean room, sales, marketing, customer facing etc.

author: ludzinc
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 11:21:28 pm
content: Quick Tip - call their HR people and *ask* !If they say suit and have is mandatory, do so, but as if you want to work theirMore often than not the fact you called and asked will be seen as a plus - you have shown both initiative and care.I hire / fire in my current role and a suit isn't important to me, but an effort is. Ironed shirt, no collar, fine. Suit wrong size, un-ironed shirt and no idea how to tie a tie, bad. It may seem silly but IME guys who fail to care about their presentation are just less motivated for the role.Example:Ice Breaker Question: "Why do you want to work for us"Guy who cares about presentation: Will name drop the company, knows about what we do, might even tell us which project he is aiming for.Guy who doesn't care about presentation: "Umm, dunno"But that's a generalisation / first impression issue. A long hair hippy who nails my tech questions is going to get considered.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 11:22:19 pm
content: Unless it looks like it's uncontrollable then you don't really need to.I've gone to several interviews with stubble, as long as you present yourself well with a suit and tie and have confidence that you know what you are doing then it should go well.I have asked before if I can get changed back into normal clothes because it was before work at one place and they said turn up in your usual clothes, I did and they still offered me the job in jeans and t-shirt! So it does depend on the employer.Good luck btw!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 11:28:50 pm
content: It's 100% about confidence and how you "sell it".As an employer I wouldn't care if you came into the interview with a pink goatee, mutton chops and a handle bar mosatche.If clean shaven makes you feel uncomfortable, then thatwillcome across. Humans are very adept at picking up subtle vibes.The exception to the looks thing would perhaps be if you had a public or customer facing role.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 19, 2014, 11:32:11 pm
content: Quote from: ludzinc on October 19, 2014, 11:21:28 pmThe correct answer to that question is along the lines of "I don't know yet, we've only just met".Golden rule in interviews is to never answer such stock questions with the answer they expect people say.

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 12:20:22 am
content: Thanks for chiming in, gentlemen. I've voted to keep it short, but not clean shaven. I feel like I would lose too much comfort than what it's worth. I've been researching the company a bit and studied all of the requirements that were presented in the posting. I'm skilled in many of the postings, but not all of them.I will need to tell them that I haven't had much need to learn them, but I'm a dedicated and resourceful person who will put the work in to excel in those skills. I ALWAYS say I'll find out if I don't know an answer. I'm not the best scholastic candidate, but I can figure things out in a way that can't be taught in school. I'm not a master at FPGA synthesis, but I have used some really high-end dev. boards, such as the Stratix IV GT ($20,000 USD) for 100Gb Ethernet.As usual, I'm going to be bringing in my PCB design samples and finished projects. Hopefully seeing something they can touch will win me some points.Also, what happens if they ask for my GPA and transcripts? I was facing medical issues during college and that affected my performance. Do I explain if they ask about transcripts, or just leave it alone?

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 12:28:55 am
content: My GPA was 3.7, I never put it on my resume and was never asked about it. If you're specifically asked, be honest, have a short but practiced speech about it, just in-case.

author: bills
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 01:20:11 am
content: If you want the job I say shave! first impressions are important.Smile and be polite you can always grow the stubble back.regardsbill

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 01:48:38 am
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 20, 2014, 12:20:22 amIME, if you are going for an experienced position and they ask you for your grades, that would be a huge red flag to me. It means you are likely buying into an anally retentive organisation.Perhaps it's different in the US, but here in Oz you are virtually never asked for your grades.

author: Leiothrix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 01:50:21 am
content: I say shave. Or grow a beard. The in-between look isn't a good one, and might be thought of as you being lazy, which is obviously not what you want to project in an interview.If you're getting irritation you're probably not using the right tools or technique.Get yourself a DE safety razor, a pack of blades, proper soap & brush, and look up technique.Your skin will thank you, so will your wallet, and you'll get a better shave to boot.

author: bills
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 02:02:08 am
content: Ohbtw good luck on your interview .regardsbill

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 02:02:28 am
content: No one will ever think less of you if you're clean shaven. There are, unfortunately, people who judge men based on the presence of facial hair. I'm not one, but they do exist.If you really, really want this gig, play it safe, and know the answers to the questions they give you

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 02:04:03 am
content: Quote from: Rigby on October 20, 2014, 02:02:28 amUnless they are nervous because of it. It's not always upside only.

author: bills
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 02:24:02 am
content: dude just shave!regardsbill

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 03:40:25 am
content: I just ended up shaving. My skin was definitely not used to a razor. I haven't taken a razor to my face in years. I'll live, but I didn't want to risk them thinking I looked "unprofessional".I have to get my sleep. Root for me tomorrow! I hope it goes well. Thank you, everyone.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 03:59:48 am
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 20, 2014, 03:40:25 amWhen your skin hasn't been shaved in years, you run a big risk shaving and going to an interview. You could walk in with a bright red, and possibly bloody, face.I never seriously shaved until my mid 30s. The day I removed my beard a teenager's face looked back at me in the mirror. All those years of not being scraped with razors, and not being exposed to the sun, had left my skin remarkably unaged. The next morning my face was bright red and sore, and I took months to really adapt to shaving.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 06:46:41 am
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on October 19, 2014, 10:09:51 pmMy sentiments exactly, I've never "dressed up" can't see the point, where i work now I'm often the joke of "dress", the owner of the company came to see us a few months ago and everyone rushed for their company embroidered shirt where as i went in as usual, he joked about it but I don't think he really cared and you bet he'll remember me in future.

author: sunnyhighway
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 07:25:29 am
content: It's okay to dress up a bit, but make sure not to deny oneself.Ergo, if a close shave bothers you in some way, then don't!It completely negates the positive impact you think a close shave might have by making you feel uncomfortable.Also, as mentioned before, call HR and ask about the company culture.Company culture always reflects the dresscode.And if the company doest want the person you realy are, you probably don't want to work for that company either.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 03:47:50 pm
content: Everyone is going to have a different opinion on Interviews, how to dress, conduct yourself etc.. My own personal opinion is to minimise possible damaging areas. It's pretty fair to say that no interviewer is going to have a problem with an interviewee being clean shaven, but there's a chance they may or may not have a problem with stubble. By being clean shaven you eliminate that risk. Of course if you're going to be sitting there scratching your chin every few seconds you may be better taking the risk.It's kind of similar to the cheese and tomato sandwich problem. Assume everyone of your customers likes cheese, but only half like tomatoes. In order to maximise your sales you thus only make plain cheese sandwiches, because all your customers will like them, if you make cheese and tomato sandwiches, only half your customers will want to buy them.

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 08:50:38 pm
content: I would go for a suit and tie along with a clean shaven face but then I'm a bit old fashioned in that regard and asking the HR Department about the company culture is probably the best idea I've heard. As for interview tips the one that has always worked for me is asking to see where I will be working, if you get a quick trip to the workshop/lab and everything looks good then you will be OK but if they say no then ask yourself why.

author: Christopher
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 09:08:28 pm
content: I love dressing up for work in my (clean & well ironed!) shirt, tie and smart trousers. Most of the older engineers do not wear a tie but I feel like it gives me more confidence.Facial hair, (inc tattoos) as long as it is fairly tidy, is OK in the uk, at least.

author: EvilGeniusSkis
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 09:21:37 pm
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 20, 2014, 03:40:25 amlet us know how it went when you can

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 10:22:04 pm
content: Quote from: Boltar on October 20, 2014, 03:47:50 pmI really want a cheese and tomato sandwich now!

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 10:58:18 pm
content: Quote from: Wilksey on October 20, 2014, 10:22:04 pmBranston pickle is the winner with cheese

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 11:13:09 pm
content: The interview went very well. I had a great time learning about the products and technologies that they develop and they enjoyed the projects that I brought in. The HR manager says "They haven't been this excited about someone in a very long time. They've been looking for a while, but haven't found a fit." Everyone is incredibly nice and very easy going.The HR manager mentioned the benefits and pay. Is that a good sign, or is it standard procedure? She kind of mentioned these things as if she was trying to sell it to me, haha. Quite interesting, but again, I won't jump for joy yet.Also, when's an appropriate time to follow up with a sincere email? This is quite close to a dream job and I would be ecstatic if I get an offer. Any post-interview tips?Thank you all so much. I truly appreciate your input.

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2014, 11:42:22 pm
content: Thank them for the interview immediately.They will likely respond with an offer or a phone call or something soon. The larger the company, the longer that can take.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2014, 12:31:13 am
content: My last job, it was an HR requirement to interview all accepted applicants, then gather the managers/engineers involved, have a structured scoring meeting, then the numbers picket the applicant, LOL.Anyhow, this took on many occasions 1-2 weeks, after all interviews, sometimes 1-2 months.Large HR driven companies SUCK.

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2014, 01:42:15 am
content: Yes they do. HR departments are the natural enemy of anyone that wishes to hire the right people. The less involved they are in the hiring process, the better.

author: AG6QR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2014, 02:50:23 am
content: About 20 years ago, I interviewed with EDS, a company famous for their conservative and strict dress code, and policy against facial hair. I wore a nice suit, but kept my full beard. I got the offer, but they told me I'd have to shave before taking the job. I turned them down, in no small part because of the dress code/shaving policy. It wasn't that I liked the beard so much -- I shaved it off a few months later. But I wanted that to be my decision, not my employer's. It seemed to be a part of a more general trend toward emphasis on style over substance on their part.This was for a programming job in an office, far from customers.

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2014, 03:03:47 am
content: The good news is I met all of the people involved in the hiring process and we got along very well. This company is a biotech company with 55-200 employees. She sounded disappointing when she mentioned they have a couple of people tomorrow, but was very happy after she heard what the engineers said and after she met me. They can't really tell a person never mind a day before, I suppose.I'm not unemployed, but I am underemployed. This position would remove a huge burden, financially and employment wise (I don't have a job in the EE field right now).

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2014, 06:13:29 am
content: Best of luck! Hope you get it.

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 08:20:55 pm
content: I was offered a position, but it says falsification of education will result in a withdrawal. I didn't tell them I didn't have my BSEE, but they didn't ask either. It was never brought up at the interview and my resume doesn't state that I graduated. I'm not sure if there will be confusion, but I really want to work for them and don't want them to think that I lied.What do I say/do? Do I tell them outright, or sign the offer and not worry about it?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 08:26:31 pm
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 28, 2014, 08:20:55 pmSign the offer and don't tell them.There is zero upside by telling them or thinking up imaginary scenarios.If they didn't ask, or didn't read your resume properly, and they actually care, then that is their fault.It's equally plausible that they know and they don't care and want to hire you anyway.If you made no false claims, then don't let it matter what they think. That will just be a stock thing they put on all forms.People usually will not care unlessyoubring it up. And then HR people being HR people, and big companies being big companies, will go ape trying to think about it and decide, and their default answer is most likely no if they are pushed to make a decision.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 08:29:15 pm
content: You sure you do not work as the head of the SABC.....sorry, local SA joke at the moment.You probably could say that you have not got it yet, but are intending to complete it ( and make sure you do so eventually) by using night class and taking a subject per semester till you do get it. Be upfront about that, and you will have no issues, your existing work should also stand you in good stead. There are plenty of good universities that offer night and correspondence courses, just use an accredited one . Here that is UNISA.

author: 8086
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 08:33:40 pm
content: If a BSEE was never mentioned by anyone, it can't be said that it was falsified, you can't say something is false when it doesn't even exist and nobody said it existed.Sign it, because they can only hold you to what you did actually tell them your qualifications are.

author: _Sin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 08:39:23 pm
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 20, 2014, 11:13:09 pmI know you've already been given an offer now, but for future reference - yes, it is common to discuss benefits and such in an interview, and indeed, to essentially sell the job to the applicant.Interviews, done properly, are a two way process. If you're in an interview and made to feel like it's a one way thing where you're just being grilled for a few hours and you're lucky just to be there, it's not a good sign. It implies that generally the company concerned only hires people who are actually desperate for work, rather than attracting/employing the cream of the crop (who would be in demand and thus need persuading).Also I couldn't care less if interviewees arrive looking like they've been dragged through a hedge backwards, provided they don't actually smell - I only care about their ability. But not all interviewers feel the same way, so obviously make your own call on risk/reward on that one.

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 08:49:43 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 28, 2014, 08:26:31 pmMy resume says I was in a BSEE program from 2012-2013, but it doesn't say that I have the degree. I think mentioning it will only cause problems.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 08:57:08 pm
content: Absolutly sign the letter and move forward. If they halt the process and ask about it, you state just as you did here, you made no false claims.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 09:09:49 pm
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 28, 2014, 08:20:55 pmMaybe it depends not so much on what you said or wrote, but more on what theypresume(correctly or falsely) your qualifications are. Personally I don't put anything on my CV that might be ambiguous. I have, occasionally, done an "anti-selling" job on myself when I've felt it has been going well. That wasn't held against me, and may at most have confirmed their impression of me.If your major concern is the job offer might be withdrawn before you start, you might consider not giving up your current job until receiving positive confirmation of a start date.If you are concerned about them finding out after you start and then sacking you, that's partly down to local employment law and partly down to how well you are doing in the job.So, it is up to you to decide the relative penalties of each possibility.As long as you haven't lead them to believe something that isn't true, I would sign - but delay burning your bridges until you have confirmation and a start date. But then I'm a confirmed pessimist.

author: _Sin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 09:16:46 pm
content: I agree with the previous posters. It sounds like you've been truthful, you can accept an offer in good faith.People generally list their actual qualifications quite explicitly on a CV, and an employed who cared ought to ask.They've not told you that your offer is invalid if you've lied because they think you have, they've told you that because everyone tells everyone that - it's a standard disclaimer.So yeah, ignore it and carry on.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 09:49:31 pm
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 28, 2014, 08:49:43 pmSo what? If anyone consider that you can get BSEE in a one year he/she is an idiot. Don't bother.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 09:56:18 pm
content: If it makes you feel any better, the last two mega corporations I worked for never checked education, not college, or high school. They were more concerned with your background check and whether or not you sneaked a little wacky tobacco a few weeks prior.

author: AG6QR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2014, 10:38:39 pm
content: Most employers have some standard language in their employment offer letters that says the offer is void if you lied to them during the hiring process. That's standard for everyone they hire. That doesn't mean they think you lied.Employers vary in how important they think educational credentials are, and the same employer may vary from one position or department to another. But even if they don't think the credential is so important, most employers still want you to tell the truth about whether or not you have the credential. And it sounds like you did, so you have no problem.When I interviewed for my first job out of college, the interview was during my last semester of school. I didn't have my degree yet, but was on schedule to get a degree soon. During the interview process, I was clear with the employers about the situation. I got a couple of offers, one of which I accepted. The offer letters all had language on them saying that the offer was contingent on my receiving a degree and submitting my transcripts within a certain time period. That was their way of saying, "we know you don't have a degree now, but you need one for this job".I'll join the chorus and say that, if you didn't misstate your credentials, and they say they want to hire you, don't be afraid by that standard language in the offer letter. Congratulations on the new job.

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2014, 12:44:00 am
content: If the degree completion wasn't mentioned, don't worry about it and don't mention it -- they don't care.The interview is mostly to feel out your personality. They like you. Take the job.

author: jpb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2014, 03:36:28 pm
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 28, 2014, 08:49:43 pmYou told the exact truth on your resume so it is not up to you to preempt or second guess that they misread what you put. Most degrees are three or four years (at least in the UK) so to be on the programme for two or less years would have raised the question of completion if they were that interested.I know why you have this sudden urge to unburden yourself to them though - it is exactly how I think which is why I'm rubbish at selling things, I always want to point out all the flaws and limitations rather than emphasize the good stuff!This general discussion on interviews is of interest to me because I'm in the process of looking for a new job. I've always in the past worn a suit and tie on the grounds that even though I know those interviewing me probably won't bother they still want to see me making an effort as a mark of respect. But now I have the problem that I'm older (in my 50s) so I worry that wearing a suit emphasizes this and have experimented with being a bit more casual at my last two interviews (that and the fact that I'd grown too fat for my suit trousers!)

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2014, 03:57:24 pm
content: Quote from: jpb on October 29, 2014, 03:36:28 pmI suspect your major problem might be getting past the HR-droids, and talking to the engineers directly. Similarly with recruitment agents, but they will overlookanythingif there's the slightest chance it could result in a commission!A good agent (and there are some) will know the engineers/managers making the decisions and will send your CV to them, thus simply bypassing the HR-droids.

author: Timmay
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2014, 04:50:49 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on October 29, 2014, 03:57:24 pmExactly. I worked in aviation for some time and the good companies I worked for HR was merely a bridge of communication between me and the boss. A job requirement opened, HR asked the boss what the requirements were and he then told them. They posted listings for the job and then got inquires. They then would do a check based on the requirements with a mini interview (over the phone) to ensure I met the requirements and then that was it. I would interview with the boss in person (who was at one time a electrician who was promoted to lead the electricians) he would then interview me and submit his recommendations to HR of all those interviewed. They would heed to those recommendations and hire the appropriate person. Later when I became the boss the same setup was used. This system worked well as it was military based and a lot of times we had to deploy to combat zones in order to mod aircraft so who knows better of who to hire than someone who knows what the job really entails beyond all the garbage from HR? In my experience the most satisfying, effective and rewarding jobs did it that way while the most frustrating and drama filled jobs let some HR rep do the hiring with no input from the team.

author: Timmay
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2014, 04:57:35 am
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 20, 2014, 11:13:09 pmFor post-interviews I send a letter or email depending on how everything was conducted with an appreciative vibe. I merely state, thank you for the offer, the interview and time and I hope I met the requirements and would be ecstatic to join your team, etc, etc, etc. I also conclude with a request in knowing why I did not qualify for the job if that becomes the case. I have never been turned down for a job. I go in a suit, and as for my facial hair I clean it up, but keep it how I would if I was working and the only mention of that (and I have a big beard) was a job where I would need a respirator so the interviewing person ASKED me if I was OK to shave it for a respirator fit and occasional use to which I obviously replied yes.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2014, 10:29:06 am
content: Quote from: Timmay on October 31, 2014, 04:50:49 amThat's the sane way to do it, and it is what happened in the decent compainies I worked for. But in some companies the HR-droids think they know more than they do, and don't realise that they are unwittingly trying to hire people "in their own image" that they find personable.HR-droids' other job is to ensure the bosses don't foul their nest by doing something that can land the company with a legal claim.(BTW, w.r.t. your sig: I don't respect everyone's opinion - respect has to be earned. Not all opinions are valid. If their opinion implies something extraordinary then I expect extraordinary proof. I do, however, listen before deciding whether to respect their opinion.)

author: Randall W. Lott
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2014, 06:35:31 pm
content: The job has been amazing. I'm loving it and there has been no issues. Thanks!

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2014, 08:45:09 pm
content: Quote from: Randall W. Lott on October 19, 2014, 10:01:36 pmShave with an electric razor, preferably one which can be used with water.Moisturise afterwards.I find shaving the night before helps too, even if it doesn't result in such a clean shave, any marks normally heal up overnight.