OT: Your Political Compass - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 11:11:21 am
content: From:http://www.politicalcompass.org/testMy Score:And compared to international leaders:NOTE: Just paste the URL it gives you as an image tag and it will show up. No need to copy the image and attach etc.Dave.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 11:24:12 am
content: Mine.P.S. Alexis Tsipras international leader?Alexander.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 11:35:12 am
content: I don't consider myself that much to the left actually, and expected to be somewhat more libertarian.

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 11:36:13 am
content: here is mine, man i felt like fence sitting more than once

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 11:54:25 am
content: That's mine.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 11:56:40 am
content: Quote from: Simon on September 06, 2012, 11:54:25 amYou fence sitter you!Dave.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 11:57:26 am
content: looks like it, balanced to one side

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 12:53:22 pm
content: Interesting...On the evidence to date, either electronic engineers and hobbyists are generally more left-wing and libertarian than the Dalai Lama, or Dave attracts individuals of a like persuasion...I have my suspicions about the experts' assessments of international leaders. It would be interesting to see some actual results from public figures.For what it's worth, here is mine:

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 01:02:50 pm
content: Quote from: rolycat on September 06, 2012, 12:53:22 pmYes, it would be interesting to get a general swab of the engineering community not affiliated with my audience base.QuotePoliticians public opinions (of which the evidence is based) are essentially bought and sold by big business and various lobby group (esp in the US), so it wouldn't represent the "real them". Like here in Oz, Julia Gillard caring about religious views, or Penny Wong (a lesbian) being against gay marriage. It's bullshit, that's clearly not the real them.Dave.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 01:38:50 pm
content: Nice. I think this is a better way to elect officials. You can't tell what an official will really do in office, given they'd have to act on details that aren't public, and one may have to simply choose between the lesser of two evils.But what we can be more certain off is if we have a similar psychosocial profile, aka 'values', the more likely they'd do what you'd do given the same situation.As Dave says, one can't be sure what the politicians shown are their true personal values, but likely what they compromise to be elected; something felt very strongly will not waver, while lesser positions will yield to external influences. Nevertheless, if this is the persona they present, its what we have to work with.For reference:

author: jahonen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 01:56:06 pm
content: Here's mine:Regards,Janne

author: LEECH666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 01:59:48 pm
content: I predicted that outcome ... somehow ...

author: HackedFridgeMagnet
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 02:10:25 pm
content: my adhd kicked in on the third page, but I guess I would've been in the green.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 02:34:32 pm
content: Quote from: rolycat on September 06, 2012, 12:53:22 pmI think it's a generic thing.I believe if we take any sample of educated people of the mean age of participants in this forum the results will be more or less the same.Dave, is there a way to extract some statistics from the database?Alexander.

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 03:16:58 pm
content: Did this a while back, my result was also in the green quadrant, but more towards the centre.The questions seemed a bit iffy from memory, they appeared slightly biased towards the left.

author: bullet308
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 03:42:15 pm
content: Meh, I usually plot out a little more Libertarian and a little less Left, but the last few years have brought out the lefty in me.Edit to add: Actually eight years of GW Bush (whom I voted for in 2000) has brought out the lefty in me mightily, as it would anybody with good sense...BTW, it has been my observation that left-brained engineering and tech-types tend to plot out somewhere in the general vicinity of "green"...Does this make me the board's resident authoritarian conservative?

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 03:49:04 pm
content: Mine, I must admit to trying to push the dot to the top right but it still stayed middle left.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 04:42:27 pm
content: I generally go unclassified, I don't care where my beliefs fall it's me. It's when a party classifies their views that all of the buying and selling goes on in politics. If people just stood for what they believe there would be too much to classify and for the average person that applies which is why we wander all over those graphs. I generally don't have much faith in these tests as you need to take into account the views of the person writing the questions as they subconsciously may have their own agenda unless they are very clever and can outwit their subconscious and be honest which few can do, sadly probably the reason why I don't have a girlfriend

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 05:37:08 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 06, 2012, 04:42:27 pmFar more likely that the authors these tests are very clever and compose them such that they produce the answers that they want, as I said I tried to be as dishonest as I could in filling out the test and it still lumped in the same aproximate position as every one else.

author: ftransform
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 07:02:02 pm
content: I'm some where out of bounds

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 07:13:54 pm
content: Quote from: ftransform on September 06, 2012, 07:02:02 pmyou can't be it's designed by shrinks you know

author: Short Circuit
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 07:48:55 pm
content: To get out of the green, it helps to give only strongly agree/disagree answers.First round using more mildly opinions put me on green near the centre.

author: SoftwareSamurai
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 08:02:46 pm
content: I had a difficult time choosing a response for many of the questions. IMHO, many of them were crafted specifically to force me into first accepting a bogus premise, and then either agreeing or disagreeing with said premise. Sort of like this:"When I beat my wife for no good reason, I enjoy it." -> [] Strongly Disagree, [] Disagree, [] Agree, [] Strongly AgreeAlso, I would argue that the "International Chart" is wildly wrong for many of those people listed, even given their explanations for how to interpret the chart itself. (e.g. Hu Jintao isnotan economic collectivist?)

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 08:33:08 pm
content: Quote from: jucole on September 06, 2012, 08:17:04 pmhaha good one on photoshop

author: 8086
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 10:50:49 pm
content: Okay.

author: chickenHeadKnob
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2012, 11:04:39 pm
content: Quote from: SoftwareSamurai on September 06, 2012, 08:02:46 pmWhen I was a young and honest man many years ago- in the days of "yor" I would be periodically pestered by telephone survey firms. I must have been on some favourite suckers list because they asked for my opinion on everything, shoes, politicians, breakfast cereal, ect. And the surveys were lo-ooong, 10 to 15 minutes typical. Then one day they surveyed me on commercial big brand canadian beers. The questions became progressively more nonsensical: do you see yourself drinking (brand X) surrounded by beautiful women - strong agree, agree, disagree, hell no, ect.About 7 minutes into it the survey woman asks: Do you believe (brand Y) is obsolete? I was nonplussed, my logical programmer brain could not parse any semantic result. I paused thinking how does beer, any beer become obsolete? skunky yes, but obsolete? Survey woman told me I had to answer and she couldn't coach me. So I said "disagree ... I guess". Then she went on to the next brand "do you believe (brand z) is obsolete". At that point I realized I should answer with increasingly non-responsive replies - "yes but not in the lotus position", or "my bum is itchy", or "the melons of Castille are fit only for self-abuse!". That last one is from Ernest Hemingway's 'The Sun also Rises". Well survey woman tried to grimly soldier on for a few more questions then she capitulated. Those survey people never bothered me again.

author: mianchen
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 07:33:18 am
content: Here's mine. I thought I was in the green quadrant...

author: Rick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 08:38:58 am
content: What is missing in those questions is the attitude of the people towards immigrants, foreigners etc. Actually this is a very important criterium. Very often left wing, socialist people have more tolerant views on those groups, unless they are from the other side of the political spectrum of course, that is if they are  socialists:)

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 08:45:56 am
content: congratulations, you have correctly identified the survey as biased

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 09:09:00 am
content: In the Netherlands we have elections next week. We have parties I on some parts strongly agree with, but are religious and deny homosexuals and abortion, etc.. Some others I agree with, but I know won't play part in the forming of a new government (small parties). Bigger parties that I morally agree with but want to keep spending like crazy (that's saying we will become Greece and Spain). And ones that are on the far right and want to cut costs everywhere, make the rich richer, and reform certain laws so most likely people I know around me (under the same roof) will lose their job.I don't think his compass is helping me. Like Rick said I didn't read a lot about people that come here for foreign work, economical reasons or political reasons. Or money for foreign development. But I guess these are sometimes local 'issues'.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 09:47:25 am
content: Mine

author: vk3yedotcom
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 10:41:10 am
content: Quote from: Rick on September 07, 2012, 08:38:58 amDepends.The 'social lefty' types (typically urban, university educated and middle class) are certainly tolerant. Whereas the 'economic lefty' blue collar protectionist working class types see immigrants as cheap labour that steals 'their' jobs.There's a similar division on the Right. The free market internationalist capitalist right want immigration as it increases the population (customers) and the workforce (especially if they'll work for less). Whereas the more traditional nationalist (often small-town/small business) right are more concerned about protecting existing culture and distrust diversity.To quote Karl Marx a lot depends on your relationship to your means of production.If you're well off you don't mind cultural and ethnic diversity. And might see it as colour, novelty, new ideas, gourmet food and affordable house cleaners. You're also rich enough to live in nice suburbs with nice rich people like you (away from the working class).Whereas if you're unemployed or insecure it's seen as as threat and competition. I'm guessing that the typical racist xenophobe is probably a discontented unemployed (or precariously employed) working class male. Add points if the wife left, took the house and gets child support.

author: beatle
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 11:52:06 am
content: Here is me:

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 03:04:30 pm
content: Quote from: hans on September 07, 2012, 09:09:00 amSame problem here, if you vote with your conscience it will be for a small party that won't win. The liberal democrats tried to introduce a new system but they let the conservatives walk all over it and tell lies about how bad it would be so people opted for the old system, so that we can have a coalition AGAIN and the conservatives will have another chance at screwing up the country.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 03:11:36 pm
content: we also have illegal immigrants that make trouble here, but we dont blame their religion, which is same as ours. because we know, its not about religion, but about culture and lifestyle difference, and probably.... pressure in life.

author: Rick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 03:55:14 pm
content: Quote from: vk3yedotcom on September 07, 2012, 10:41:10 amTrue. I was referring to the intellectual type leftists actually.Also those blue collar workers who may vote for the left, they are also very fast to change their mind for the reasons you mentioned.The case I know best is France where formerly left voting communist electors suddenly became National Front (right wing extremist party) supporters after Mitterand came to power.

author: Rick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 04:00:25 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on September 07, 2012, 03:11:36 pmBut you also have a native local Chinese minority I believe.Then how do you explain the pogroms organized in the past against the Chinese minority?Just asking by curiosity.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 09:38:12 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on September 07, 2012, 03:11:36 pmWhen you have a large immigrant population who follow a racist and violent inspiring religion with no respect for the host nation you have a problem. I hate all religion, but one in particular has the imbedded aim of anilating everything else so that it can rule and be the only one.I pay my taxes and anyone who comes here is entitled to MY money to support them. They could have the decency of not wanting my death !!!

author: perfect_disturbance
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 11:29:33 pm
content: I'm not sure whether I should be more disturbed that your all more liberal than Hugo Chavez or I'm more liberal than President Obama!Edited to attach chart.

author: ampdoctor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2012, 11:33:46 pm
content: Hmmm....I seem to be the only person here that's in the purple quadrant. I will admit though that I expected myself to fall farther to the bottom right but some of the questions were a bit ambiguous and were difficult to either agree or disagree with. As such the graph may not really be a completely accurate reflection of anybody's views.

author: jamesp15
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2012, 02:14:53 am
content: I fully expected to be in the upper right (blue area)...So I am a bit surprised. All the religious stuff I disagreed with, but the rest I was all over the place like in real life.Being American I agree with a lot of BOTH parties but there is also a LOT I dont agree with. I am truly right smack in the middle of the 2 major parties views, like I think most are. (Its a shame the loudmouthed minorities on both sides get all the "coverage", I am sure its the same the world over though.)

author: cloudscapes
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2012, 12:51:42 pm
content: 'round here somewheredemocratic socialist type

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2012, 02:31:55 pm
content: I am somewhere in the greeny red bluey purple area.

author: JoannaK
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2012, 04:55:27 pm
content: This test tend to float somewhat (especially since it's not even in native language) but the direction tends to be about the same.http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-7.00&soc=-6.46

author: korborh
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2012, 07:17:16 pm
content: Here is where I fall...

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2012, 01:14:55 am
content: Quote from: Rick on September 07, 2012, 04:00:25 pmchinese minority existed before independence day. they have well blended in, they are everywhere, government, government sectors, private, my neighboor etc. since the culture already blended in, in them and in us, so they like everybody else... no problem. the problem is with new type of illegal immigrants minority such as bangladesh or indonesian or philipinos, i believe they are (some) drop out of their country. i said "some" meaning that some of them are "cute" as well, and natives are sometime... boringhere's mine, but i have trouble understanding most of the questions...

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2012, 03:21:05 am
content: Near enough to centre. What?

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2012, 04:31:22 am
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on September 09, 2012, 03:21:05 amI always knew you were a moderate!!!My attention span is too short to work out how to post mine,but I seem to be somewhat to the left of The Dalai Lama!I always thought I'd be just on the other side of the line to you,as we disagree on some stuff & agree on others.

author: Rick
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2012, 09:37:52 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on September 07, 2012, 09:38:12 pmOnly the extremists want that and those extremists it is the west who created it.Bin Laden Al Qaeida are by-products of the cold war and the Soviet Occupation of Afganistan. USA has financed with Saudis and Pakistan those people who became now terrorists. You created them now you complain.I am not a Muslim and my US manager was telling me to hide my cup of coffee because we had Muslim visitors in the office during Ramadan. What an idiot and hypocrite. I know Islam better then him as I live in a Muslim country but this example shows the attitude of the west towards Islam.Now if you are talking about youngsters second generation etc. This is an another problem.

author: Alana
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2012, 09:56:00 pm
content: http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-6.12&soc=-3.13

author: Nirios
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2012, 10:11:55 pm
content: About where I expected.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2012, 12:19:34 pm
content: this is mine... I don't know what to say....http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-5.12&soc=0.72