A public apology for my possibly antagonising posts... - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 02:45:14 pm
content: Hi guys. I just wanted to say a big sorry to anyone on this forum whom I may have upset, irritated or otherwise rubbed up the wrong way. Sometimes it is prudent to hold back the tide of backlash and frustration - I should have done so. I hope you guys will accept this apology - I love this new found online community; a perfect outlet for my lifelong interest in electronics.Especially to Dave, I say thank you for all you do for us, and I'll try my utmost to curb my tongue from now on.Take care guys, and enjoy your weekend

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 04:14:04 pm
content: Don't worry about it. I think there are some very arrogant people (not mentioning any names) here who have made worse posts but are too stuck up to ever apologise for their behaviour.By the way I like the way the forum has been moderated so far and don't think it should change. I'd hate it to go the way of another forum I post at, where the moderator can say what he likes about you but you can be banned for calling someone ignorant for believing in perpetual motion or for saying the word fuck.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 05:48:49 pm
content: Moderation of this board was introduced initially to control spam, although as it grows things will tend to sway from time to time. I've always found the best thing on any new forum I join is to settle in for a month or two as you will soon "get to know" the main contributors and when to ignore people and let their potential inflaming behavior die a death of no reaction it deserves.Yes I was a member of "that other forum" too and stopped using it because it was full of peoples attitude and many of them were moderators with the attitude which is not good. For example their approach to MCU's is that assembler is the only way, Damn them, I wasted so much of my time thanks to some so called experts ! and nearly gave up on MCU's.Things have always been fairly relaxed around here but then everyone has always known the natural limits they should not go beyond in order to kepp this a friendly place where we all learn from each other. Yes the odd swear word is accepted, but I'd hate it to turn into a board full of F this and F that all the times and other unneccesary words. Theres a time for everything.

author: tyblu
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 07:48:37 pm
content: Is that other forum called allaboutcircuits.com? What's with the hush hush?

author: Longhair
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 08:03:07 pm
content: Swear words would carry more meaning if they were used less.

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 08:09:37 pm
content: Quote from: tyblu on January 23, 2011, 07:48:37 pmThanks, I was trying to figure out what it was. Simon's obsession with assembly comment had me thinking it was electro-tech but I had never heard such moderation complaints.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 08:44:02 pm
content: *thumbs up*Dave.

author: Jon Chandler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 08:49:15 pm
content: Quote from: CafeLogic on January 23, 2011, 08:09:37 pmIronically, I was banned today from ElectroTech. I posted an article about myTI TMP513 thermocouple circuitusing Swordfish Basic on Digital-DIY.com, and put a post with a link on ElectroTech to share the knowledge. I was banned for "advertising Digital-DIY."I have gone against the flow there, saying that programming need not be painful - it can be done using language like Basic so that you can have some LEDs flashing or some other working project in short order. I also go against the idea that every page of the data sheet must be read, understood and memorized before any project can possibly start. The truth was really self-evident when I looked at the ban notice. On the top was a large ad by Digikey, and on the bottom a large ad by Stanford University. Obviously, the number of hits a web site has, the more revenue from the advertising.By the way...the thermocouple circuit works great, so if you'd like a $4 available alternative to a $15 MAX6675, check it out.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 08:59:22 pm
content: Quote from: CafeLogic on January 23, 2011, 08:09:37 pmIt is electro-tech, yea the smell of assembly on there give it away miles before you hit the stuck up bunch, it seems that many of us are renegades from over there

author: Jon Chandler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 09:03:21 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 23, 2011, 08:59:22 pmI'm glad to be in such fine company!

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 09:12:38 pm
content: you can say that again !

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 10:11:17 pm
content: Lots of people got pissed off with the moderation on ETO. In my experience, it wasn't too bad until the tosser administrator (Electromaster) got more involved in moderating rather than doing his job which is to manage the site and server. Fair enough Nigel has strong views (especially on assembler LOL) but at least he's generally fair and contributes to the forum. Bryan can be a bit of a wanker every now and then but Electromaster was much worse. I don't know what his problem is, perhaps he was bullied at school and he's bitter? But I was bullied and I'm not like that.The thing which pissed me off most of all was a troll would start posting bullshit about free energy and not listen when a more knowledgeable member told them they were talking bollocks. This would often cause an argument but guess who would be banned? The experienced member not the troll. It's not just me, this happened to plenty of people and it was always Electrotosser's fault.In the end I was banned when I cracked after putting up with snide comments from Bryan for too long, I told him he's a bad moderator. I know that probably wasn't wise but I don't give a fuck and would've left anyway.For the record I agree with Nigel about assembler being the best way to learn but you're right too: if you just want to get your project done it's not the best language to use.

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 10:38:01 pm
content: LOL, I had no idea there were so many ETO rejects. The thing that amazes me is that you are all active posters. It just seems like a stupid thing to do (banning you).I won't argue that assembly is a good way to learn but I don't agree with the order. I don't think there is a better way to turn people off of MCUs then to make them program in assembly. I would advocate C first.If you do want to learn assembly. I like this guy's videos. I really liked the advanced C course.http://www.vtc.com/modules/products/authorInfo.php?author=186

author: JohnS_AZ
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 10:47:29 pm
content: Huh. I've never been on ETO, but I'm tempted to go, stir the pot, and bail. 8-)

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 10:49:20 pm
content: Quote from: JohnS_AZ on January 23, 2011, 10:47:29 pmIf you do, make this the title of your first post."The only reason you love assembly is because you're too old to learn C"

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 10:53:08 pm
content: Quote from: CafeLogic on January 23, 2011, 10:38:01 pmI likeanduse both ASM & C (I know more C, and have the K&R book if I need it - ASM ittotallynew to me, but makes perfect sense). I find that the more you abstract yourself away from the real "nitty gritty" of the raw mechanics of the hardware, the more you seem to lose touch with what isreallygoing on. I can literally imagine bytes of data being shifted between memory cells, as I write assembly for the PIC, but it does take a lot of patience and a logical, lateral-thinking mind. I used to (try) to code Objective C for the Mac & iPhone... ugggh! It took me over a year, to learn almost nothing.

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 10:55:48 pm
content: Quote from: glossywhite on January 23, 2011, 10:53:08 pmI agree completely but if I had to know one Id still take C.

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 10:59:20 pm
content: Quote from: CafeLogic on January 23, 2011, 10:55:48 pmC is to breadboard, what ASM is to etching a PCB and soldering it all up; IE, C is faster for writing code, right?

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 11:18:31 pm
content: Quote from: glossywhite on January 23, 2011, 10:59:20 pmI can't agree with that because a breadboard is never a permanent solution and is inferior as far as electrical performance. I would say ASM is like etching a PCB and C is like ordering it from the PCB house.In the majority of situations ASM provides no advantage. Modern compilers will write faster code than an inexperienced ASM programmer. For me, the only reason I care about ASM is so I can figure out exactly what the hell my compiler is doing, or to look at the code when I am stepping through a program. Of course there are those rare times you need absolute control over the timing, such as disabling a lock bit. Also, sometimes a MCU has unique instructions that C does not support or even that are complicated to implement in C, such as rotate right/left. Discounting that, I say what's the point?

author: tyblu
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2011, 11:35:19 pm
content: asm is great for keeping a small footprint and/or counting cycles.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 12:18:48 am
content: nothing greater than seeing your project comes into alivein whatever language you are using.

author: RayJones
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 03:32:40 am
content: Quote from: shafri on January 24, 2011, 12:18:48 amThis

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 05:55:19 am
content: Quote from: RayJones on January 24, 2011, 03:32:40 amwhat this?

author: Jon Chandler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 06:19:16 am
content: Quote from: JohnS_AZ on January 23, 2011, 10:47:29 pmElectroTech has that covered....you can't post for some number of days after you create an account!It's really galling thatmy "offensive" post remains on the site!I've been banned and couldn't even see anything past the "you've been bad" message until I just deleted the cookies for the site. But I suppose most users of that site wouldn't be able to figure that out.

author: RayJones
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 06:26:39 am
content: Quote from: shafri on January 24, 2011, 05:55:19 amTotal agreement with what you said without going into a long verbose spiel like I'm doing right now

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 06:47:41 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on January 23, 2011, 10:11:17 pmyes one being that he said a 100mA RCD would save your life any day and that he was "not scared" of up an amp (we are talking mains voltages and 30mA RCD's are a MUST). I started a topic there about RCD's and the suitability of the different ranges only to get Nigel show off how much current he's willing to take on. Really for a topic on safety, people were being led to believe that it took far more than it does to kill you. Not a very good idea. That turned me right off that forum. I was being belittled over safty and well respected and so called knowledgeable members were giving VERY misleading information some of them MODs.

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 01:38:50 pm
content: Quote from: Jon Chandler on January 24, 2011, 06:19:16 amWhy did they ban you? Are they on acid?Maybe it is corporate sponsorship that dictates what is allowed to be show... or maybe... they're on ACID!

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 01:44:32 pm
content: Quote from: Jon Chandler on January 24, 2011, 06:19:16 amthere are some activity there. it is recent, and your status is "Banned (Temporary)". luckily the guy that tried to back you up didnt get banned, or is he going to the same trap. Here is the last reply:"No good deed goes unpunished... "i only saw this in politics.

author: Chasm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 01:56:40 pm
content: Hmm, the good thing for me is that I don't have to ask about the TMP513.Other than that, maybe not start a cross forum flamewar?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 05:28:00 pm
content: Well to be honest if they carry on the way they are going at electrotech there will be no forum left to have a war with, many of us here have left out of choice and others have been forced to leave for "political" reasons and some people on there act like experts but have no idea and hand out dangerous information at times just to look big. Add to all that, that it is full of people looking for help with homework and it's an unpleasant place to be around. Of course moderators issuing racial abbuse is a clear sign on fairness on an international community forum

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2011, 06:10:40 pm
content: Quote from: Jon Chandler on January 24, 2011, 06:19:16 am

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 05:14:20 pm
content: I have trouble with other technical forums. I finally settled on this forum because the members are knowledgable and experienced. Everyone is very mature for the most part and no one gets into flaming wars. It also seems there are fewer Americans... I wonder if there is any correlation.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 05:18:21 pm
content: Quote from: Time on January 25, 2011, 05:14:20 pmTo be very politically correctYes it might be the reason(appologies to any american members and no offence meant of course). although in the the case of electrotech 2 of the most brass headed members are british and canadian

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 05:20:08 pm
content: Quote from: Time on January 25, 2011, 05:14:20 pmThat's the price you pay for having the most geniuses...the most assholes. We call that diversity.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 06:33:15 pm
content: Was my anti-electrotech online comment deleted or was there a server error? If so that's never happened to any of my posts here before, many of them contained more bad language and anti electrotech remarks than that one so can I assume it's an error?I hope we're not going down the the same route.It would be nice to receive a PM or at least an edited by moderator remark out of general politeness. I've noticed that people often repost when their post disappears because they think it was a server error which is what I'll do if a moderator doesn't say anything.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 06:47:50 pm
content: There have been no reports to moderators about your posts

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 06:54:50 pm
content: This is absolutely no refelection upon the character ofanycurrent EEV mods, but I am certain that, should any moderator become heavy handed, that Dave would give them a little reminder of just who's forum it is, and if they still carried on, remove their admin permissions; after all, it's Dave's forum, and he is the top dog - the King Pin

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 07:18:11 pm
content: well guess what? i joined ETO, for the sake of humanity. no, i will still stick here and annoy people, i just want more input there. so hope you guys dont ban me.Quote from: glossywhite on January 25, 2011, 06:54:50 pmi was following the flow on "that" the "other forum" few hours ago. and the "Admin", got inlined with the "other Mod" and the "Reject" got banned "for good". Sorry Hero.

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 07:27:04 pm
content: Quote from: shafri on January 25, 2011, 07:18:11 pmUhmmm... what? :-/ Hero?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 07:36:31 pm
content: Quote from: glossywhite on January 25, 2011, 07:27:04 pmUhmm... nevermind. my mistake

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 25, 2011, 07:39:10 pm
content: Quote from: shafri on January 25, 2011, 07:36:31 pmYour mistake, my confusion!haha

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 26, 2011, 06:30:59 am
content: good luck, I'm sure before long you will be wondering why you bothered. No nobody will ban you from here for joining there, Just remember not to trust everything they tell you. Just because one overbearing person thinks something should be done a certain way does not mean it's the best way

author: baljemmett
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 26, 2011, 01:35:09 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 26, 2011, 06:30:59 amThe same advice should, of course, be borne in mind here -- and everywhere else!

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2011, 03:50:00 pm
content: thanx for the advice. i will stay low there, just want to lurk around, and i'm big enough already

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 26, 2011, 04:29:00 pm
content: Quote from: baljemmett on January 26, 2011, 01:35:09 pmThe difference being here that everyone can state their opinion freely and not get mauled for thinking something different from mods and high caliber members. I had the same discussion twice on electrotec and the conclusions were completely opposite, but then two different "big members" did all the talking. I know that one of them was completely wrong and should have just shut up instead of playing expert.As always anyone can express an opinion on a forum, it may be right or wrong and not to be taken as the gospel

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2011, 08:40:43 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 25, 2011, 06:47:50 pmI ranted on about electrotosser (the administrator) is incompetent for not deleting myreally bad post which got me bannedand I still got banneddespite me apologising, even though that cunt Byan didn't deserve it.I hope Eric Gibbs hasn't been made a moderator, there again he'd be better than Bryan, at least he was helpful even though he was a bit arrogant.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 26, 2011, 09:25:47 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on January 25, 2011, 06:33:15 pmNo reported post at all. Must have been a server error?, if so I have no idea why.Dave.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 26, 2011, 10:07:11 pm
content: Good. Sorry I thought you were friends with Mike (electrotosser) for a second.

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 12:58:12 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on January 26, 2011, 08:40:43 pmmustyou debase yourself so much as to use the C word? I mean, really?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 06:34:11 am
content: Quote from: glossywhite on January 27, 2011, 12:58:12 amseconded

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 02:50:58 pm
content: A hero is significantly less of one, when he uses unnecessarily derogatory language against other people.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 05:30:22 pm
content: Lol, I really love the C word because it amuses me at how people find it so offensive despite being less bothered about other words with far more vulgar meanings i.e. shit or even bugger. If I'd said bugger no one probably would've batted an eyelid but I apparently used the worst of all. lolThat said, I suppose I was just testing the water. I wouldn't normally say that because I know many people don't like, even though I don't really know why - society has silly rules about what's offensive and what isn't.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 07:26:11 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on January 27, 2011, 05:30:22 pmme too except its gender bias. it belong to woman, just as "dickhead" belong to us.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 07:31:20 pm
content: Quote from: shafri on January 27, 2011, 07:26:11 pmAt this point I have one question , if I say to some one : You are my favorite "dickhead" .What it would be his feelings ?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 08:22:32 pm
content: Quote from: Kiriakos-GR on January 27, 2011, 07:31:20 pmdepends. normal guy will confused, abnormal guy will slap you, gay will be happy.

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 08:29:27 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on January 27, 2011, 05:30:22 pmThe bottom line is that it is an ugly word to use in public, no matter what your opinion of it. Simon, a mod, has agreed that it's not good to be using it on here, and I'm not attempting to tell you what it ishisplace to tell you, but I'd personally prefer you didn't use it again, and a mod has hinted it isn't good. Not only does it make you appear stupid (which I am sure you aren't) but it brings the tone of the community down to a ridiculously common level - the base level at which a lot of society seem to have numbed themselves into, feeling apparently comfortable with their being no taboos nor limits.Stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. I don'tpersonallyfind the word particularly offensive - I just read it, and made the snap judgement "this guy is a moron", and that isn't fair on you dude; I'm certain you aren't!Thank you

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 08:32:29 pm
content: Quote from: glossywhite on January 27, 2011, 08:29:27 pmnow you are talking eh?

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 08:40:27 pm
content: Quote from: shafri on January 27, 2011, 08:32:29 pmI am not talking, I am typing- and, as usual, I am sorry to say old chap, but I haven't the faintest idea of what you're getting at. It is possibly a language barrier - care to deliberate?

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 09:25:09 pm
content: Cunty McCuntertonJoe Rogan has a funny bit on 3 words that still have so much power in modern society and he lists that as one. He does point out that its losing its steam, especially in American society. Back in the 80s it used pack quite a bigger punch than it does now. Its a dirty bit but its funny. I couldn't find it on YouTube.

author: RayJones
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 09:35:54 pm
content: I don't know what has come over these forums of late, we started with the F word a week or so ago, now the C word.There is simply no need for it on these forums.Other forums have penalty boxes and such like for such posts and they remain civil, and the posts (and any quoted replies) are culled swiftly.Perhaps some proper moderation should be taking place for obviously offensive posts intended to troll a reaction.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 09:44:03 pm
content: Come to think of it you're right. Yes I suppose you're all thinking no wonder you were banned for using language like that. Well the annoying thing was that I hadn't use the C word on that forum. I was venting my frustration in a place where I have the freedom to do so. In reflection using it in talking about my banning was probably a bad idea and I'm sorry if it offended anyone.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 09:46:36 pm
content: Quote from: glossywhite on January 27, 2011, 08:40:27 pmHe's obviously referring to your thread on the Arduino in which you used (but obfuscated) the F word, the P word, and the BS word.Hardly a moral upstanding display of Her Majesty's proper English!(Yes, I can't talk, but at least I admit it)In any case, why doesn't everyone bitch about technical stuff instead?Dave.

author: RayJones
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 09:54:31 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 27, 2011, 09:46:36 pmHey we do - but we don't need to lower the tone to the gutter in the process.it is worth remembering that the word uttered face to face is lost in time. On an internet forum it lasts "forever" and can be read time and time again, adding no value to the discussion.

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 09:56:06 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 27, 2011, 09:46:36 pmI don't recall havingdeniedusing a foul mouth - I could hardly do so, as it's written in plain text on this very forum. My point is that although yeah, it's kinda hypocritical of me I admit, there are certain words that come across as harsher and more aggressive than others. I don't consider "fuck" or "dickhead" as overtly aggressive phrases, but maybe the world would be a better place (and less stressful) if we found suitable, and non-offensive replacements for themI'm a man, in the true sense, I hope. I admit my failings, and I make no meal of apologising for being a complete idiot at times, but just because Iwasan idiot, doesn't mean people have the right to hold it against me, and nor does it mean that I am not entitled to my viewpoint on the usage of language - profane or otherwiseI find people give a LOT more respect to someone not using "fuck" this or "bloody" that every sentence. I speak for myself, and I'm not proud of the idiot Iwasinitially, but I can only assume that this is forgiven and buried now, considering I am currently typing within my own apology thread, which is still as valid and heartfelt as it was when startedI have no time for stress and undue anxiety, I just want to be happy and teach more than I learn. Accept me for that please?Thanks chaps

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 09:57:31 pm
content: Quote from: RayJones on January 27, 2011, 09:35:54 pmThere shouldn't be any need for moderation unless someone uses generally foul language continuously and out of context.e.g. using the C word might be OK in the context of a story on some problem you had like "the problem turned out to be a real c***".It's all a part of modern expressive language.But out of general politeness, it would good if everyone could limit the use of such words, or find some more colourful alternatives.But of course, given my fondness of several choice terms like bullshit and dickhead, the bar has already been set to a certain level :->Dave.

author: CafeLogic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 10:00:43 pm
content: There is only one dirty word on this forum and it starts with A.

author: RayJones
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 10:00:54 pm
content: Only a penishead would use the vagina word

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 10:15:12 pm
content: maybe Dave should make the filter if necessary, the same to A!tium, "!" instead of "l", i dont know.Quote from: RayJones on January 27, 2011, 10:00:54 pmman! you should be banned! for using such a polite words.this thread has reach 5 page already, i wonder how will be the guests looking at us.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 10:16:32 pm
content: I generally agree with Dave's comments.I post at several forums and haven't had a problem apart from ETO and Electronics Lab. As you all know I've been banned from ETO and many others left but Electronics Lab had a happier ending: the administrator took our side and removed the moderator status of the bully who left with his tale between his legs. Unfortunately the forum still isn't as busy as it used to be as lots of the members left. I hope the administrator of ETO changes his attitude before his forum goes the same way.I generally get on quite well at the forums I post at which have different boundaries: some don't tolerate swearing at all as they're aimed at helping children with study and on others it's encouraged e.g. stop-microsoft.org which used to be fuckmicrosoft.com. Now I know what's acceptable here and what isn't I'll adopt my posting style accordingly.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 10:26:00 pm
content: i recently joined another photography forum. it requires our attachment picture to be "inlined". WTF! and i can see the admin himself take into active action in reminding noobs, o well, different place different style, for me, i just follow the trend.

author: RayJones
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 10:35:12 pm
content: Quote from: shafri on January 27, 2011, 10:15:12 pmyes, the technology obviously exists to easily cull the most obvious offensive words - chucking in * or some such.It must be remembered that the remark could easily be considered slanderous as it was openly directed at a particular person. It could get ugly.The original heroic remark could be taken down by hero, but any quoted text only by a mod (or co-operating author).To be honest I don't really care as it isn't my forums, but we should not let what has been a great generally polite forum degrade into mirth as people begin to realise that nobody gives a shit and the shit begins to flow freely in every post.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 10:40:53 pm
content: Quote from: RayJones on January 27, 2011, 10:35:12 pmi agree. and the admin words...Quotemust be understood carefully with sane and mature mind.

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 10:56:59 pm
content: It is truely fascinating how there can be so much fervent objection to just 4 little letters. Its such a strange phenomenon of society. What is it about us that allows such insignificance to be a source of disgust? Is it even instinctual? Is it how we are brought up? Something that just rides the coat tails of each generation with all rational logical expanation for why the words should not be written or uttered lost through some messed up generational telephone effect?This human condition is such a strange thing.

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 11:30:15 pm
content: Quote from: Time on January 27, 2011, 10:56:59 pm

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 27, 2011, 11:47:12 pm
content: It's always a tough call on offensive language.Yes, I could block out all the offensive words, but everyone knows what they are and such style of talk will still be offensive to some anyway, even if obfuscated.But in general I'm all for free speech and no censorship, so I think the best thing to do is for everyone to simply lead by example, and realise this is a general public forum, and the usual rules of public etiquette apply. i.e. if you want to express your emotions try and phrase things a bit more gently. After all, you do get a chance to think before you push that Post button.If everyone talks without few or any foul language, then others who are prone to use the words more often will realise they stand out and look a bit foolish.Anyone who complains about the occasional naughty word dropped is being a real party pooper I think, so occasional in-context use is fine. But I agree that those who drop the F bomb in every other post don't deserve to post in a civil public forum like this.Even though I'm a big fan of bullshit, dickhead, and other colourful aussie phrases, on public forums I'll generally try to be a bit more universally civil and maybe use fool, twit, BS etc instead.The only currently filtered word is indeed Altium, and I hope everyone understands the reasons for that.Dave.

author: PetrosA
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2011, 02:44:01 am
content: I don't mind the language being on an adult level at all. The only time it seems overdone (online or in live conversation) is when someone is learning English and knows the words but doesn't feel them yet. On a humorous note - I often find myself in foot-in-my-mouth situations because I also speak Polish as a second language. Having lived there for so long, there are lots of very close expressions that I get mixed up sometimes when I speak English like ass kissing and ass licking. The meaning is the same in both languages, but licking strikes English speakers as much more graphic

author: Jon Chandler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2011, 02:56:04 am
content: Changing directions slightly, it's good to remember there is a difference between"That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard."and"You are the stupidest person I know."Even if the second applies, stating it the first way is probably a better thing to do here if you feel the need.I've spent a lot of time studying the effect of "How can you be so #$%$%^ stupid?!??" and I've reached the conclusion that nobody hears the following sentences. Unfortunately, I seem to have plenty of opportunities for more research!

author: RayJones
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2011, 04:24:29 am
content: I must say that I am no a prude by any stretch of the imagination and will swear profusely when with a close group of friends in private conversation.However if you are walking down the street and come across some clown spewing forward obscenities for all to hear most people will shake their heads and do their best to ignore them.This is the way I also view the public forums.It is not acceptable in real world public places, so why should it be any different in forums?I may also hasten to add we may well have younger more impressionable readers, eg my 12yr old is starting to take a keen interest in electronics and it would be hard to recommend reading forums full of obscenities.And I agree, "play the ball, not the man".

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 28, 2011, 04:37:36 am
content: Quote from: Jon Chandler on January 28, 2011, 02:56:04 amIndeed.One thing I won't tolerate on the forum is personal attacks on other members.By all means attack/debate the idea or viewpoint or whatever, but never the person.Politicians and corporate management are of course fair gameDave.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 28, 2011, 05:30:25 am
content: Quote from: RayJones on January 28, 2011, 04:24:29 amI agree.With this in mind it's a good idea that we should all try to be on our best public behavior.Dave.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 28, 2011, 07:55:38 am
content: I don't mind the odd four lettered word but yes we do should remember to keep a healthy balance. One of the annoying things of ETO was the over the top censoring of some words right up to the ridiculous, it went from keeping out the profane to keeping out anything vaguely "politically incorrect". I was p[leased to find that this forum allows freedom of expression and cherish it but of course we have to act like adults for it to work as intended. Yes people are wound up by the use of certain words in a certain context.For example Hero there are things that wind one person up while others will see no problem. Remember our discussion the other night about my facebook comment ? well not that anyone gets it but personally I feel very offended and insulted that members of a social club which I give my time to help manage and run should convert all of their event management to facebook and not tell anyone or ask if it's ok or provide any other alternative basically giving me the message that if I'm not on facebook I'm not welcome. Now no swearing or other offensive language was required here, the simply fact of someone's behaviour has very much annoyed me to the point I call it an insult. Just an example although not a good one I admit.

author: Jon Chandler
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2011, 08:14:43 am
content: Quote from: RayJones on January 28, 2011, 04:24:29 amI recently got out of the car in a parking lot and there were two women smoking and talking nearby. The one woman was saying "F%^& this" and "F^&* that" using the F word several times in the few seconds I was standing there.I really, really wanted to say "It's so seldom you hear a classy lady say F^&* in public." I'm not sure she would have taken the hint anyway.

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2011, 12:24:52 pm
content: Quote from: RayJones on January 28, 2011, 04:24:29 amAgreed.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2011, 07:30:10 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on January 28, 2011, 07:55:38 amWhat annoyed me more than anything was there was a bad word filter but it didn't censor really bad words such as fuck or cunt, the only word I found was censored was porn which is totally ridicules.QuoteI don't think it's a simple as that.For a start it's not Rushden who are excluding you for not using Facebook, it's Huntingdon and all that happened was someone got annoyed because you ranted about how much you hate Facebook so deleted your message.QuoteWell yes I see your point and agree.I've also noticed how my behaviour and glossywhite's have been similar here: we both made silly posts then got defensive when people had a go and eventually apologised. The thought process is as follows: get angry about something so rant using all sorts of bad words, then become even more annoyed when people have a go so get defensive, (justify the bad behaviour and pretend everyone else has the problem), eventually realise our rant probably wasn't the best way of dealing with it and finally, after swallowing our pride, admitting we didn't go about it the right way and apologise.You have a right to be annoyed about them using Facebook but it wouldn've been better to say something like "Most of our club don't use Facebook, could you please email me about your events in future" rather than ranting. I'm not saying you apologise (it wasn't that bad) just go about it in a different manner.