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author: SnakeBite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2011, 09:28:38 pm
content: Hi, I'm form Israel as you can see and the gas prices (gasoline here is RIDICULOSLY HIGH 7.24 NIS per litter of petrol or diesel (almost the same price - diesel is slightly cheaper) that is (1.95$ per liter) or 7.39$ per gallon!!! I'd like to know if it normal by comparison you prices against mine.so please write your fuel prices .Idop.s. all the prices i mentioned is in USD as for today.

author: Time
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2011, 09:30:34 pm
content: http://gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

author: SnakeBite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2011, 09:33:15 pm
content: OK, what about other places in the world?look at the prices here wow 3.5$ aginst 7.24$ WOW !!! i know that israel has the highest fuel prices in the world!!

author: Chet T16
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2011, 09:45:27 pm
content: At today's rate I paid $2.07 per litre

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2011, 10:07:36 pm
content: 2.31 USD here .

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 20, 2011, 10:44:40 pm
content: $2.10 in Chester in the UK.Wait for the war in Libya to settle down so you no longer pay for the 'uncertainty premium' by the local companies and expect a major shift towards alternatives in 2015 when economic instability will be caused by fluctuating price of oil. If you are in this sort of thing, buy shares from Royal Dutch Shell in London (RDSA) and sell in 2014.

author: Lawsen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2011, 11:12:29 pm
content: Gasoline prices are high in Northern Africa, because to the civil war in Libya and uncertainty could the world could get along. Gasoline prices are $3.89/gallon for regular and $4.09/gallon for supreme and diesel for larger trucks and heavy machinery at $4.05 to $4.09/gallon in California, U.S.A. because of the U.S. currency devaluation and still largely imported oil. Gasoline prices have caught up or near diesel prices in California, U.S.A. Usually, diesel is higher than gasoline prices in California, U.S.A. It could be as high as $5.00/gallon if we, the U.S.A., were in prosperity, no national debt, bank failures, and no foreclosed houses and few homeless and currency at the lower value from lack of productivity. Fuel price question is which will drive it higher, demand or currency value in which oil is traded in against other currencies? Oil and gasoline prices are complex figure based on these factors. The high prices are from fuel taxes for roads and maintenance, currency value, and supply, which is depleting in some place. Egypt ran out of oil in 1972. Iran will eventually run out of oil. The U.K. at the Scottish North Sea is running out of sweet light crude. Libya is 17th largest oil reserve. Canadian Alberta tar sands and shale supplies 9% of U.S.A. fuel consumption. The supply is not endless. We have 18.5% to 25% unemployment between ages 18 years old to 65 years old.Here is a good video to view:CNN: Gas prices soar over Libya concerns

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 20, 2011, 11:21:35 pm
content: Don't be silly, petrol prices are CHEAP.Go into the same service station and buy a bottle of water and see how much it costs you, then think about that for a while...If you want to know, it's about AU$1.40/L in Sydney.Dave.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 20, 2011, 11:25:43 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 20, 2011, 11:21:35 pmI don't usually buy 60L of water at the service station and 1L of water in the UK is about 1-1.50 GBP, lower or almost the same as 1L of petrol. Water is probably a bad example, Coca-Cola is a better one, especially in the US.Well, at least we "stopped the genocide, liberated Libya and gave it back to its people".On Libya's oil lucrative industry, Obama said this: "We intend to build new partnerships to unleash Libya's extraordinary potential."How do you sleep at night?

author: johnboxall
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 12:05:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 20, 2011, 11:21:35 pm$1.299 in Newcastle this morning for E10 (10% ethanol)Yet diesel is still locked at $1.449. Grr.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 12:26:55 am
content: Greetings EEVBees:--In most cases we are actually talking about the high price of government (through fuel taxes), rather than the high cost of petroleum.To Alex:--Please forgive me, but I was unable to determine the thrust of your comments with regard to Libya. Could you please elucidate."Three weeks in the lab will save you a day in the library every time" Stanley Williams, HP LabsBest RegardsClear Ether

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 12:50:08 am
content: Here in Istanbul 2.42 $ per litre or 9.14 per gallon.This has nothing to do with the civil war in Libya, it is due to the lack of civil resistance in this country. If we stood for our rights properly the government would have been ground to fertilizer long ago.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 12:58:36 am
content: Petrol prices are greatly inflated by a tax on apathy, where as the main price component on bottled water is tax on gullibility.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 01:29:50 am
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on September 21, 2011, 12:58:36 amWell said Sir!VK6ZGO

author: PeterG
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 02:23:45 am
content: Here in Sydney i pay around $1.40/L for Premium98. I find E10 is too expensive to use.Regards

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 03:43:11 am
content: $1.44 AUD in melb last weekend.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 05:05:48 am
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on September 21, 2011, 12:58:36 amPeople are also naive in regards to petrol and just how much effort goes into finding, extracting, fighting for, and refining this non-renewable resource that took hundreds of millions of years to produce, and is ultimately running out.Our modern civilisation has become addicted to it, and we only have ourselves to blame.I have pretty much zero tolerance for anyone who bitches about the supposed "high" price of it.Dave.

author: Chet T16
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 05:51:58 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 21, 2011, 05:05:48 amIt's like people complaining about the price of stamps. Seriously, 80c and your letter goes Anywhere. In. The. World.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 07:12:12 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 21, 2011, 05:05:48 amVery true, those are factors that account for around 50% of the bowser price.QuotePerhaps, but then unless we all want to return to caves and die of dysentery and exposure, we need to devise some REALISTIC alternatives. Pouring bucket-loads of tax into general revenue isn't going to provide us with any better alternative. If all that fuel tax was going into R&D and assisting local industry I don't think I'd be too concerned. But it's not, it's not even being spent on transport.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 07:25:14 am
content: Last time i filled up (about a week ago) it was NZ$2.03 per litre for 91 octane. (Auckland, New Zealand)

author: david77
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 08:11:27 am
content: Here in southern Germany I paid 1,53 EUR/l for standard unleaded yesterday evening. I don't buy E10 as long as I have the choice.

author: ciccio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 08:30:41 am
content: Here in the north of Italy (fuel is more expensive in the south) unleaded super has a medium price of 2.24 US$ per liter (according to the Ministry of Industry).I use diesel and it's medium price is 2.08 US $ per liter.Prices increased last Saturday because of VAT increase and the thirst for money of the Oil Companies.Vat increased from 20% to 21 %, and last Friday i paid diesel 1.97 US$ per liter.The increase is about 6% !!!Sometimes you can find independent fuel station where you can save a lot (up to 10%) but they are not many and the cue of waiting cars is very long (and sometime fuel quality is lower).

author: flolic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 08:53:20 am
content: Today in Croatia:gasoline 95 octane - US$ 1.81 per litergasoline 98 octane - US$ 1.87 per litereurodiesel - US$ 1.70 per liter

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 09:00:23 am
content: Greetings EEVBees:--Yes it is true that fossil fuels are a limited resource and may indeed get scarcer in the next one to one thousand years. If you think I am being to optimistic just remember that peak petroleum production has been successfully predicted 10 out of the last zero times.--It is also true that the price of oil today (in constant dollars) is about 10% higher than it was in 1980. But, this is hard to assign to any given cause. I saw a computation years ago which claimed that if the population kept increasing at the same rate, in 600 years every atom of carbon in the Universe would be incorporated in a human body. Exponential curves are like that, sho' 'nuff.--I predict a gradual increase in the price of petroleum until the population begins to decline about 2050. Perhaps as much as another 15% in constant dollars by then. Government policies on, coal, natural gas, hydraulic fracturing (for gas and oil), and nuclear, could easily double or halve this amount.--Keep in mind that, as the price of petroleum goes up, the alternatives become more attractive, including (ho-hum) Solar and (arrrg) Wind. This tends to feedback negatively against petroleum price increases.--We are probably (barring unforeseen developments) at least two to three decades away from using thorium reactors to produce hydrogen and natural gas. I know my predictions seem tame, but I am afraid to make any really wild predictions.--Paul Ehrlich predicted a lot of things back in 1968. Among the predictions was:"I don't see how India could possibly feed two hundred million more people by 1980.""Three weeks in the lab will save you a day in the library every time" Stanley Williams, HP LabsBest RegardsClear Ether

author: king.oslo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 09:07:48 am
content: Norway: NOK13.00-15.00 / liter ~ USD2.00-2.4 / liter.M

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 09:48:49 am
content: I paid $A1.59 per litre for diesel today.Tasmania.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 10:03:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 21, 2011, 05:05:48 amYes, it is expensive to get it, prepare it and serve it. Some financial figures from Shell from 2008, just before the recession. Their cost of sales was $280billion, and their net profit was $35billion. In 2008 they were a 100,000 employee company, which brings the profit per employee employed to $350,000. This is huge profits. In fact, in 2008 the UK goverment was considering the 'windfall tax'for Shell due to their huge profits. It was never applied, the goverment just let the tax rise and got it from there. So it is not as if they are just 'breaking even'...And this is just for Shell, Exxon-Mobil is even bigger.Quote from: EEVblog on September 21, 2011, 05:05:48 amThe average person wont be given any alternative until the price of oil gets prohibitively high for alternatives to become attractive. So I would not use addicted. Yes, I can buy an electric vehicle and charge it from solar, wind and geo energy that I also use to power my house completely, but the capital required to do this in the first place is simply not there for the masses and this includes local goverment grants.Quote from: Uncle Vernon on September 21, 2011, 12:58:36 amYes, tax is the main contributor to the price at the pump, yet see the profits above. Apathy is one aspect. We still want cheap and high performance cars, still want bulbs with high colour render index and still leave all appliances on standby not to mention fully on overnight. About water, well, if you didnt take any from home then you will have to pay more for the 'added value'. This excludes airport regs on liquids... So it seems that we are also turning a blind eye besides our apathy.Quote from: SgtRock on September 21, 2011, 12:26:55 amJust have a look at the price of crude oil or the shareprice (these are correlated) of 'Big Oil' companies like Exxon-Mobil, Shell, BP, Sinopec-China, Total, Chevron and others. Now overlap the war in Libya. The price of oil has ramped up from $80 to $120 per barrel while the war was escalating and the shares of Shell have gone up from $1.8 to $2.3. Exactly the same with the war at Iraq, have a look.Companies exploiting the oil reserves used to pay and are still paying high tax rates in the region of 92% for oil extracted in Libya. Libya is producing somethinglike 1.6billion barrels of oil a day and 2/3 of that controlled by ex Gaddafi on the eastern part of the country...Every time new reserves are discovered or controlled, profits go up and the price of oil is controlled. Just look at the price of oil recently when Shell discovered 9 new reserves and Chevron another substantial one.I feel for Libyans and all pain they are going through, but this is not what gets countries like US,UK, France and others to send their troops across the world and have a say in the post-war negotiations. So...Quote from: HAL-42b on September 21, 2011, 12:50:08 am...it hasa lotto do with it, unfortunately. Just look at how 'unhappy' Turkey is with the oil/gas reserves to be explored inthe 'exclusive economic zone' south of Cyprus.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 10:58:41 am
content: Quote from: Uncle Vernon on September 21, 2011, 07:12:12 amSounds about right.There are lots of fingers in the pieQuote

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 04:27:39 pm
content: It wouldn't surprise me if the same people who bitch about the price of fuel also drive large cars too fast.Seriously, if you want to save money, buy a small car and drive slowly or better still buy a small motorcycle/scooter.I find that speed is the biggest factor more than anything else. I have a Honda CB5000 motorbike. If I drive like a nutter doing 90mph everywhere it does less than 60mpg (UK) but if I drive at 55 down the motorway I can get over 80mpg, an improvement of over 25%. If I rteally wanted to save money I could buy a 125cc scooter which does over 100mpg but the acceleration is poor and the maximum speed would be 70 at a push.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 04:41:23 pm
content: Greetings EEVBees:--With regard to previous comments regarding "Big Oil", "huge profits", and "windfall", consider the following facts. The average "Return on Investment, "ROI" for a publicly owned company is between 8 and 10 percent. Average ROI for "Big Oil" is 4 to 5 percent. Profit per gallon of gasoline is between 2 and 3 cents compared to taxes of 1 to 5 dollars per gallon. Oil companies have to buy and maintain large amounts of infrastructure in order to operate at all. See "Economies of Scale".--The present price of crude oil is only about 10 percent higher than it was in 1980, so it is safe to assume that "Big Oil" has not been monopolizing the supply and jacking the cost through the roof.--When you are given figures for "huge profits" in terms of "profit per employee" and not "return on investment", be wary.--Keep in mind, governments will always be involved in some unnecessary war somewhere, or heartlessly standing by while innocents are killed. Government actions might indeed be driven by foolishness, but it seems to me unlikely that they are driven by the rational calculus of a global cabal."If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, we'd still be eating frozen radio dinners. Johnny CarsonBest RegardsClear Ether

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 04:53:52 pm
content: Quote from: SgtRock on September 21, 2011, 04:41:23 pmHere is a ROI plot with very fresh data. ROI also depends on other factors like the strategy of the company, how much risk it involves. I am not surprised that it is higher for other companies.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 07:43:03 pm
content: Thanks for making my point Achmed.Shell's profits will continue to rise with new major projects coming online within the next 3 years and new reserves.These companies have no intention to move into renewables and will squeeze every cent from your pocket drop by drop (pun intended) and we will go for it. Just look at how quickly BP's share price is recovering folowing the Golf of Mexico accident.Here is how Shell sees the future of energy by 2050. They are actually using this for their strategy. Shell sold their solar business in 2007 and pulled out from the ‘London Array’ wind farm project, the biggest in Europe' in 2008.

author: bogdan546
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 07:54:15 pm
content: $1.9/L the most expensive in Romania

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 08:06:08 pm
content: Dear AcHmed99:--How interesting you chose a candy bar company for comparison, instead of one of the publicly traded companies dealing in medicine, food, clothing, or building materials all of which could be considered necessities. In light of that I do not think my comparison is invalid.--I take it you do not disagree with my assertion that oil companies make a profit of 2 to 3 cents per gallon, and government revenues amount to 1 to 5 dollars per gallon.--Sir, my question for you is what percentage of the 2 to 3 cents profit per gallon are you in favor of the government taking? Keep in mind that although the oil companies have already paid corporate income tax on their profits, the share holders still have to pay income tax on any dividend income. Also share holders will have to pay "Capital Gains" taxes (in the US it is 35%), if they profit by selling stock, which they bought using money they already paid income tax on.--Alex, please feel free to answer the above question, as well, if you wish, Sir."Three weeks in the lab will save you a day in the library every time" Stanley Williams, HP LabsBest RegardsClear Ether

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 08:43:14 pm
content: Could not find any question in your last post SgtRock, I will give an example from what you said. Take Q4 2010 for Shell. They got taxed 40% of their net profit which left them withonly13 billion dollars. Take out dividends and their retained profit was 6.3 billion!I dont disagree that the price at the pump is heavily influeced by goverment tax as you and others said. But Shell is not a country and even with a smaller percentage of the final price of fuel they make disproportionately large profits due to the huge volume of fuel involved.I disagree with you that some of the wars are unecessary. You said it yourself that the goverments get most of the profit from taxes on fuels, why should they refrain from controlling some new reserves to allow them to continue doing this?

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 08:57:14 pm
content: Dear Alex:--Come now, let us not shilly shally. I said nothing about things being bleak for the oil companies. I merely argued that their shareholders or "filthy rich" as you like to call them, are entitled to profit by their investments. You might note that mutual funds, IRA's and pension funds (representing retirement investments by filthy rich teachers, factory workers, engineers, etc.) own a lot of stock in oil and other big companies.--If there was an answer to my question about what percentage of the 2 to 3 cents profit per gallon you would have the government take, I was unable to find it.--I think with your use of the epithet "filthy rich", you have told me all I need to know, tovarishch. I thank you, and I will trouble you no further.--"If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, we'd still be eating frozen radio dinners. Johnny CarsonBest RegardsClear Ether

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2011, 10:28:41 pm
content: Dear AcHmed99:--Thank you for being forthright enough to answer my question. And congratulations on finding the question where others could not. With regard to the resource belonging to the country, oil companies pay for oil leases, or were you unaware of that? Also I was hoping that you would consider the 1 to 5 dollars per gallon of revenue that government receives, as the part of the government's share.--Nestle made more profits than any other company last year. And had a much better ROI than either Exxon-Mobile or Gazprom, would you also like the government to confiscate 1/3 to 1/2 of their profits?--Your statements about "whining" and "grow some b*lls", make me think that I am irritating you. So I will leave our little discussion where it stands, and irritate you no further.--"If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, we'd still be eating frozen radio dinners. Johnny CarsonBest RegardsClear Ether

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 01:38:16 am
content: Dear AcHmed99:--No, that was tovarishch Alex. Have you confused yourself with him. By the way I own no stocks. And I do not hate or envy those who do. I guess you could consider me a running dog capitalist dupe. Konets svyazi, tovarishch. I promise not to irritate you further, I just wanted to clear up your identity for you.Best RegardsClear Ether

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 02:09:42 am
content: Quote from: AcHmed99 on September 22, 2011, 02:05:50 amThat'sexactlywhat capitalism is!Dave.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 02:15:43 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 22, 2011, 02:09:42 amcapitalism or not, the 70% of the gasoline price its a government tax.Why they do not remove it ? , so to boost growth !!

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 03:00:21 am
content: To All:--Years ago I remember thinking how rational the US economy was and how socialistic and stupid the Australian and Canadian economies were. Now I see that I was kidding myself, even then. Thirty yeas of tax and spend in my country has put the shoe on the other foot, so to speak. And now, that shoe is coming home to roost. Foreign money is terrified to come to my country, fearing confiscation. While it is only to glad too plop down in Australia or Canada. There is no fool like and old fool, I guess. I am not sure we will ever learn."The telegraph is a kind of a very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Radio operates the same way, except there is no cat." Albert EinsteinBest RegardsClear Ether

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 03:03:06 am
content: Quote from: AcHmed99 on September 22, 2011, 02:23:00 amThe 70% of the population of this planet live in villages, believe it or not, they do not suffer from your fears about to get cholera.

author: Kiriakos-GR
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 03:08:05 am
content: Quote from: SgtRock on September 22, 2011, 03:00:21 amBlame freely and the USPS, the past year they had triple their prices, no way to buy anything from an American seller again.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 04:24:34 am
content: Quote from: AcHmed99 on September 22, 2011, 02:23:00 amNo one is saying that, you are missing the point entirely.Capitalism is all about giving everyone the (albeit real) illusion that they too can become mega rich one day too, so don't piss of the rich people and any perks they get, because that could beyouone day!So don't question the bailouts, don't question the negative gearing (that we have in Oz), don't question the reduction in top marginal income tax rates from 90% to 30% etc etcDave.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 04:56:42 am
content: Dear Dave:--Capitalism would be letting banks and business fail and not bailing them out. Bailing them out is more like classic fascism. Also you are probably going to collect more revenue at tax rates well below 90%, incentive being what it is. In my country (the US), Kennedy, Reagan, and Bush all cut taxes. In each case revenues increased. The fact that spending was never reigned in (mores the pity) is a different matter. Confiscatory tax rates might make the little guy feel better, but they do not help him get a job. It is your country that is showing signs of financial sanity, mine is still hoping to tax itself into prosperity."There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers." Richard FeynmanBest RegardsClear Ether

author: ciccio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 02:55:04 pm
content: Quote from: SgtRock on September 21, 2011, 10:28:41 pmYes, Nestle is a good Capitalist Company, at least for it's shareholders...Their reputation is dubious:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestlé_boycottand when I visit my wife's home country (Ivory Coast) I'm always amazed seeing that they produce good coffee beans, but drink only Nescafe...Quote from: SgtRock on September 21, 2011, 10:28:41 pmThis is out of topic, but really my English is limited: what is a "frozen radio dinner"?Regards

author: david77
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 03:06:51 pm
content: @ciccio: Have you heard of TV dinners?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_dinnerBasically that's having your dinner on your lap or a small table in front of the telly instead of at the dinner table, wichapparently is a wide spread phenomenon in anglo-saxon countries.Before TV was invented (lets not get into WHO invented it) there obviously only was radio, hence "radio dinner".

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 03:33:33 pm
content: Dear Ciccio:--In the US, in 1953, C.A. Swanson & Son, came out with the "TV Brand Dinner", soon shortened to "TV dinner". Meat, vegetables, etc. were contained in an aluminum tray and covered with aluminum foil. The dinners were heated up in the oven, and placed on "TV tables". Families would eat the dinners while watching television, saving them the trouble of talking to each other. Philo T. Farnsworth invented "Electronic Television", and there never were any "frozen radio dinners" That being Carson's humorous point.--By the way I find your English to be very good."Marconi invented the radio but he had to wait years and years till anything decent was on." Johnny CarsonCordiali SalutiEtere Chiaro

author: ciccio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 05:20:49 pm
content: Quote from: SgtRock on September 22, 2011, 03:33:33 pmI remember the first TV set in my family: my grandfather located the set in the dining room, and we eat there, watching TV, but the meals were cooked by my grandmother, and the programs were so annoying that we usually had time to talk .Thanks for the Italian wording, but "Chiaro" means "of light color", such as fair, vivid, pale, etc.I think that Clear Ether should be better translated Etere Pulito or Etere Libero.Regards

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 22, 2011, 05:32:16 pm
content: Dear Ciccio:--Thanks for the correction."Marconi invented the radio but he had to wait years and years till anything decent was on." Johnny CarsonCordiali SalutiEtere Pulito