Are You old? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: 001
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 07:26:20 pm
content: HiIt is global themeBut say me what do You think about at Yours countryWhen we became OLD? I see that all media focused at 20 years men. Huh, I`m 65 and still can make electronics but how long?

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 08:52:08 pm
content: I'm 73 next month and I still manage to get by. I work hard studying/reviewing math to keep up with my grandson's ME program. I still know a wee bit about the fundamentals of EE and I have a lot of fun with Ordinary Differential Equations and my analog computers. I buy/subscribe to math tutorial programs and it seems a lot more fun now that it doesn't count. I really struggled with ODEs back in the dark ages of slide rules. It's interesting that we are still "guessing" at a solution.I still play with math using Fortran or Matlab with the intent to pass the processes down to the budding ME.OTOH, I'm not as durable as I used to be. My German Shepherd Dog knocked me down yesterday and it really hurt. I simply don't bounce as well as I used to. My wife won't let me race boats or motorcycles any more and I kind of miss the adrenaline rush. My Dr. says I shouldn't even get an adrenaline rush - bad for the heart. I miss the crazy days of my youth. Well, not so much youth, I was still racing hare scrambles (dirt bike) in my early 40s and small hydroplanes into my mid 40s and sailing San Francisco Bay with a fresh breeze (30 knots kind of thing) well into my early 60s. It isn't fun unless the rail is in the water and the bow wave is crashing into the cockpit!Overall, I'm doing pretty well, considering...

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 09:03:37 pm
content: Quote― Hunter S. Thompson, The Proud Highway: Saga of a Desperate Southern Gentleman, 1955-1967

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 09:16:41 pm
content: In answer to your title's question, no, I am not old. I am, however, 65, but I can still do anything that I could do in my 40s and I am twenty something in my mind.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 09:25:24 pm
content: The quest forengineered negligible senescenceis definitely making real progress.Weshouldall embrace the idea of everybody living a significantly longer and healthier life, because its quite possible. Actually, the technical problem of human mortality may be conquered someday. Perhaps in our lifetimes. And then, if that happens, everything changes. The way everybody sees everything changes. Another world is possible.

author: IanJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 09:32:52 pm
content: I'm 53....but feel old....it's been a bad year for me healthwise......however, it makes you take stock and reprioritise, and for me that means MORE electronics.....whoop whoop!Ian.

author: basinstreetdesign
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 10:54:25 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on November 16, 2018, 08:52:08 pmYeah, what he said.And I'm 68

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 11:08:58 pm
content: i have infuriated people for years by taking an engineering approach to this. In the developed world the life expectancy for men is in the 75-85 year range. Divide that by three. During the first third you are young. The middle third (drum roll) you are middle aged. And the last third is old. Time beyond those three thirds is bonus time.It infuriates most 26-40 year olds when I point out to them that they are middle aged. And most of those in the 50-60 group are just as mad with their assignment. Only the young group and those old enough to realize it doesn't really matter can accept this point of view.As an aside, the Hunter Thompson approach is wonderful if you know the day of your death a priori. Most of us aren't so fortunate so it is wise to leave a little life in the body just in case you don't pop off at the appointed time.

author: vtwin@cox.net
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 11:12:44 pm
content: 54 next month.My kids (1st marrage) are 29, 24 and 20.My wife is 37.She's 3 months pregnant.Feel old? Sometimes. I don't view myself as 54. I think of myself as my wife's age. Then something happens and it takes me a lot longer to recover than it did when I was 37, and I'm reminded of the fact that I'm not 37 any longer.

author: tomato
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 11:42:21 pm
content: Quote from: tpowell1830 on November 16, 2018, 09:16:41 pmDoes that mean you loudly complain to others about yourself for being a *&#^@ millennial?

author: bsudbrink
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 11:44:55 pm
content: I've got to get the hell off my damn lawn!

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2018, 11:47:48 pm
content: The only good thing about being old is remembering your youth.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 12:03:38 am
content: Quote from: 001 on November 16, 2018, 07:26:20 pmAm I old?Compared to a star like the Sun - no.Compared to an ant - yes.

author: Wolfgang
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 12:23:49 am
content: Quote from: 001 on November 16, 2018, 07:26:20 pmIts easy. Viennese proverb: Age starts when regrets are replaced by desires.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 12:34:17 am
content: On an age scale where Naomi Wu and Rinoa Super-Genius are on one side and Micah Elizabeth Scott is on the other, I'm pretty much exactly in the middle. (That's 30 for those who don't like solving math problems.) Yet I think of myself as most like Micah as far as engineering skills go, albeit in a different field - I largely specialize in power electronics while Micah seems to be mostly into advanced programming.Dave once did a video of an electronics hobbyist who is still doing it at something like 100 years of age, a record that is likely to stand for a long time. Sagan and/or Huxley are good contenders for setting records at the other end of the scale, if they haven't already done so.

author: ninjagin
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 12:56:11 am
content: I decided that this would be my very first message in the forum: a reply, and a "thank you".Thank you for asking! I turned fifty this year.I started losing my hearing and my hair and going gray when I was forty, but I didn't -=feel=- old. My girlfriend tells me that sometimes I dress like I'm thirty, but I was wearing sneakers and shirts and pants and sweaters when I was thirty, so she's right. Not much has changed on that front. I don't let my hair grow long anymore, and I don't grow beards anymore. It's too much fuss, but I don't think that makes me old.I didn't really -=feel=- old until this year. It was a combination of things, really: sore knees, sore feet, my cancer diagnosis. In the grand scheme of things I think I'm still picking up speed, really. I started the electronics thing very late -- just a couple months ago. There's so much to learn, still, and so much to do and so much left to make and share. I'm still moving. I'm not done, yet.(Check that... I'm done eating brussels sprouts, so that part is complete.)So no, I'm not old. I just feel old sometimes. It goes away when I'm at my bench or in the garage, thankfully.Thanks again,== Randall

author: med6753
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 01:07:48 am
content: To op...like you I'm 65 but don't feel it (most of the time).As I've gotten older, possibly wiser, definitely more grouchy I've found a saying to be absolutely true:"Old age and treachery will beat youth and speed every time"Stay sharp my friend.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 01:12:01 am
content: Mid 20's is when I realized I was really starting to get old. When I hit 30 it was pretty much "yep, it's official, I'm old". I'm 32 now. Though really I find once you reach a certain age you then say the next one is old and you're still young. When my hair starts falling out or going gray I think that is when it's going to be official.Time goes by so freaking fast though, it's crazy. I don't even know where my 20's went. Life is like a roll of wire, the closer to the end you get the faster it goes.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 01:57:53 am
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on November 17, 2018, 01:12:01 amBrilliant! very EE-ish

author: alpher
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 02:34:58 am
content: 53 here, and I agree, time flies much faster as you age, who knows it may be going asymptotal by the time you die.2018 was a bad year for me as well.

author: Peabody
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 02:53:50 am
content: Objectively, yes I am old. 72. But I still go to the gym every day and lift weights, and recently checked off another bucket list entry by being a nude figure model for an artist. On the other hand, the sciatica recurrences are becoming more frequent, and I'm dealing now with my first cancer diagnosis - just skin, thankfully. So, you know, you keep on keeping on as long as you can, recognizing that "that day" is not far off.Any day now, I may just try surface mount. :-)

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 03:44:49 am
content: 62 next month. All the indiscretions I visited upon myself in my youth have come back to hang out with me.Snap, crackle and pop getting out of bed most mornings. Hearing loss in certain ranges, back to those indiscretions. I was going grey in my 20's, thankfully not going bald. Premature grey, not baldness in my family. Curmudgeonly, most definitely. On the flip side, I am still more than healthy enough to work almost 50 hours a week. An awesome son and daughter-in-law. A stepdaughter and son-in-law who have finally come to the conclusion that I am not an @ssh0l3 and actually a pretty nice guy if you treat me right. An amazing woman who puts up with my crap and encourages me. 2 wonderful dogs that are I my constant companions when work doesn't pull me out of the home office. Some days I feel my age, some days I feel twice my age. Some days I approach life like a dog; if you can't eat it or screw it, piss on it and walk away. I almost died at birth and have had other close calls. Every day is a gift no matter what happens.Finally, let's not forget the child-like delight I still get opening up packages that come to the house from evilBay and other nefarious places. My Donagan OptiVisor was my excitement for the day today. Soon, my DMM Check + will be here. Hopefully, I don't pee on the floor with excitement.

author: MarkF
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 04:20:01 am
content: A MAN IS LIKE THE TRAINAt 20 years he is like the local - It stops at every stationAt 30 years he is like the special - It stops only at the large townsAt 40 years he is like the express - It stops at the big cities onlyAt 50 years he is like the old locomotive - It stops often to waterAt 60 years he doesn't leave any more - It remains in the yard

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 05:13:44 am
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on November 17, 2018, 01:12:01 amIn a similar vein, it has been my observation that time passes at a rate proportional to your age.To look forward to a time one year hence:At age 5, it is foreverAt 10, it looks like it is foreverAt 15, it seems a long way awayAt 25, it is within sightAt 40, gosh, that came around quick!At 60 - Oh, that waslastweek?

author: Nusa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 06:28:04 am
content: I figure you're not old until you start complaining about new-fangled gadgets.On the flip side, you know what some of those old tools the kids can't even identify are good for.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 06:54:08 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on November 17, 2018, 05:13:44 amThere was actually a study on that, it's actually kinda depressing. Basically it's based on the percentage of life you have left. At age 10 you still have a big percentage left so those 10 years felt like forever. But as the percentage gets smaller what's left is smaller so it goes by faster. I forget exactly how they explained it but it kind of made sense. Actually it may even be here it was posted... I don't recall for sure though.Quote from: Bud on November 17, 2018, 01:57:53 amThe saying is usually "like a roll of toilet paper", but figured that fit better here.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 07:43:02 am
content: 75 here---I don't know how that happened!LikeGreyWoolfe, I went prematurely grey, but never lost any hair", in fact, the damn stuff seems to grow faster than ever---I need to go to the barber to get "sheared" again.Same snap, crackle & pop here, just a bit further advanced.I have a left knee that has just about reached its "use by date", & should be replaced with a "pretend one" some time next year.My wife needs her hip done, & we have the same bone specialist,so we are "in a race" as to who gets their job done first.Two adult kids, no grand kids.Dogs? Two belonging to our daughter, & one of our own--- they are all lying here with me, enjoying the air conditioning.I haven't done any Electronics for a while, as my Lab/Ham Shack has been doing service as a storage room for my daughter's stuff.Just spend my time on this & other forums arguing with other old, & sometimes young farts.The people that surprise me are Hams.Talking on the Radio to them, many sound like they are round about their mid thirties, & when you meet them, are in their eighties.A corollary to that, is that the ones I knew thirty years ago all sound the same as they did then.People who sound really "old" (Grand pop Simpson style) always sound a bit fake!

author: VK5RC
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 09:14:10 am
content: There is a really good explanation as to why time seems to accelerate as you get older, (56yrs here) your brain's clock actually slows down, so that relative to you, the world appears to be speeding up!Not sure if I would choose the same career, but it did lead me to the best part, my wonderful wife.Thanks Sally!Rob

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 09:36:13 am
content: Yep, 61 in a few months. The hair is gray but still there and the only things that bug me are the failing eyesight and the failing hearing, every year the TV gets turned up a bit. I do however keep my mind active. I have three ham radio projects on the go plus I have hundreds of hours of documentaries stored on the hard drives, everything from Anthropology to Zoroastrianism.What I'm not however is a member of the Facebook generation. I don't do a lot of the online stuff and my mobile phone is a twenty Euro device that just makes and receives calls and text messages. It also has nice big keys, see the note about eyesight above.Finally, I have even arranged an engineering approach for my departure. The local school of medicine get me, that way they can do a teardown and see what makes (made) me tick.

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 05:07:26 pm
content: Dudes 40+ check your prostata PSA level.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 05:19:19 pm
content: Quote from: MT on November 17, 2018, 05:07:26 pmDone regularly. Mrs GreyWoolfe is my primary care's medical assistant, who is also a family friend. I can't get away with anything! Now that I am a diet maintained diabetic, she makes sure my oil is changed, chassis is lubed and tires rotated regularly.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 08:59:51 pm
content: I'm 36 and got my first gray hairs this summer. People still tell me I look considerably younger and on my birthday many people thought I was in my late 20s, but soon I'll probably look older.Does anyone here dye their hair?I don't have many wrinkles, compared to others my age and I don't have a roll of fat round my middle, as I keep fit and eat well.

author: pelule
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 09:35:41 pm
content: I am becoming older more & more - 60 in a few months.Also my hair is gray - its still there - but unfortunately not as many as 30 years ago. I don't need glasses yet and I have sufficiant hearing.I am employed as electronic engineer - so my mind is forced to be active.I am preparing my retirement - hope to have more time than to work in my lab in the cellar doing repair/refurbish of old high quality test equipment.As German_EE I am not a member Facebook/Twitter/WhatsApp... even I own a smartphone.I assume, there is a lot of my data out there, so I don't like to increase that myself./PeLuLe

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 09:48:15 pm
content: Some say you're only as old as the women you're with....well we're both grand parents now after 36 years together.Looking at what our kids are doing now and remembering how long it's been since we were in that space is what makes you feel old........60 is next year for us both so we might again have a combined party like we did for 50th.120 years of life experience .......... that's old !

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2018, 11:11:26 pm
content: Pretty similar here, 60 next year (only 58 if I'm "only as old as the woman I'm with"!), married 35 yrs, no grandchildren yet though (wish they'd hurry up!).Do I feel old, well yes just a bit, but given that I was expected to have departed this world several years ago (the big C again, brain in my case), I'm quite pleased with my leisurely life. Plenty of time to potter in my 'playroom' and hang around on here.Some people say that such life events make you re-evaluate your priorities. I suppose that's true as I no longer work for those gits in Sunnyvale who made me redundant at the same time as my 'darkest hour', but I must confess that it's mostly left me feeling slightly puzzled, but content - that's probably the meds though!Life is good.

author: aargee
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 01:13:01 am
content: The quote attributable to Groucho Marx: “A Man is as Young as the Woman he Feels”At 56, my better half is five years my junior, back in the day I used to get the nickname “Errol” as in Errol Flynn, due to his preference for younger partners. At the time (in our 20s) the age difference seemed more pronounced, I do believe it has kept me young at heart.I too, like many others, ‘think’ like I’m in my 20s, it’s just the mechanics that are sending poor diagnostic reports.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 02:39:32 am
content: Quote from: aargee on November 18, 2018, 01:13:01 amMrs GreyWoolfe is 9 years younger than me--practically robbing the cradle!!She does keep me on my toes, for sure.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 02:50:38 am
content: How many here have older family members who have remembered how much electronic parts cost back in the day but are not aware of what it is like nowadays, maybe even decades? One time, my uncle saw my collection of microchips and asked how much I spend on that sort of stuff. He was very surprised when I showed him how cheap that stuff is nowadays.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 04:15:08 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on November 17, 2018, 08:59:51 pmI have red hair and supposedly we don't go gray, but can go blonde or white. So far so good for me, though it's probably a bit lighter than before if I compare pictures from teens. When I don't have a beard I look like 15 but I'm 32 lol. It used to bother me but now that I'm in my 30's I learned to embrace it haha. Always find the reaction funny when I hand my ID over to a clerk and they're like "woah... ok".

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 05:02:40 am
content: Quote from: 001 on November 16, 2018, 07:26:20 pmI am mid-60 also. Here in the USA, at 65, you are qualified to begin receiving Medicare. Medicare is a government-run healthcare for old age which you are forced to pay into since birth - whether you intend to collect or not. So, the USA-Federal Government thinks you are old at 65.But not so fast...65 also qualifies you to begin collecting Social Security - another USA's government run program (retirement benefit) that you are forced to pay into since birth (first job). As SSA (Social Security Admin) runs out of money, they are increasing the age to 66, then 67 depending on your current age. So, you are not really consider that old when they don't have enough money to pay you back your money.As to do I feel I am really old? Most days, I don't feel old at all. But, there are days when I feel so old I think I must have been born before the big bang...- Recovery is slower and less well. It seem small cuts takes longer to heal (this one may be perception), and for sure it seems scar is easier to form. Cuts that would have left no trace at a younger age seem to always leave scars now at my age.- If I don't make a point to remember something, I wont. Most deadly is: "Let me put this down for a moment, I will be back to it..." It used to be, I would remember without having to make a point of remembering it. Now, if I didn't making a point to remember that, I would be looking for it (whatever it was that I put down) for hours/days/weeks wondering where it went.This is a true life example:I had a note book for all my EE stuff. I must have been interrupted while working away from where I normally experiment. I must have been interrupted and I did a "let me put it somewhere safer for now so it doesn't get wet or whatever" and intended to get back to it. Well, I must not have gotten back to it after the interruption. I have not seen that note book for months! I have been kind-of-looking for it for months... It must be in a safe and out of the way place, out of the way so I can process that interrupt. BUT, I have no idea where that place might be. Last few days I spend fixing a simple thing I made back in 2016. I actually use it regularly. A simple job that took days because I had to trace the PCB to figure out my own circuit - which was nicely drawn in that missing note book.

author: Tom45
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 05:26:08 am
content: Quote from: 001 on November 16, 2018, 07:26:20 pmI was born in 1945. So I am older than the transistor (1947) and Tektronix (1946), but not HP (1939).My career started in September 1966, and have been self-employed since 1974. So far I haven't managed to retire. But I'm starting to think about it.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 06:10:04 am
content: I'll be 40 soon, I'm still not sure how that happened already. I started feeling old when I realized some of the people I work with were born when I was in highschool and I was already working in tech before they started kindergarten. When I realize they have never known a world where the internet wasn't a thing I'm reminded of when my grandma used to tell me about growing up in a house that didn't have electricity. I still do quite a bit of work on CRT based monitors and it has occurred to me that I've turned into one of those old timers I remember who still knew how to work on vacuum tube radios because they grew up with tubes. It's interesting to see that vinyl records have made a bit of a comeback with the millennials, but when I was a kid if you wanted to listen to a specific song or album that's just how you did it.Oh well, still a ways to go before I'm *really* old. More worrying is the noticeably accelerating rate at which time is seeming to pass.

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 11:08:22 am
content: I'm 52, and the only thing that really concerns me about growing old is the rate at which my ear hairs grow. If the growth keeps increasing at the same rate, then I'll have to trim it at bedtime to avoid tripping over it in the morning.

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 11:37:31 am
content: I am 53, and the first sign of getting old was acquiring the radioamateur license in this summer (which had been in my todo list for past 30+ years).

author: vtwin@cox.net
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2018, 04:08:36 pm
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on November 18, 2018, 02:39:32 amGot ya beat. Mine is 17 years younger. She was born the year I graduated from high school lol.Overall it works okay, she came from a very proper upbringing and lived in England for a decade so "carries" herself in a much more mature fashion than virtually all of her millennial friends here in the United States. Plus she's smarter than I am... has a BS in Psychology (which is apt considering I'm a big infant) and a Masters' in Information Systems.I tend to forget the age difference as we're very well suited together, although it will creep in from time to time when we talk about life experiences... for example, I will talk about movies I saw when I was young at the movie theater (the first Star Wars trilogy , for instance) and she has to remind me she only saw them on television. Only on rare occasions do I feel like a dirty old man -- usually when she has a certain look to her that makes her look like she's still in high school (and I tell her to break out the catholic high school girl uniform)

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2018, 03:28:24 pm
content: Taking at least a gram, preferably more, of the following functional foods each day will help you stay alert:dimethylaminoethanol (DMAE) in the morningn-acetyl-cysteine (NAC)acetyl-l-carnitine (ALC)trimethylglycine (TMG) in the eveningAnd we all know the world needs more lerts.

author: Wan Huang Luo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2018, 04:07:05 pm
content: Quote from: cdev on November 21, 2018, 03:28:24 pm+1 for that corny corny joke

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2018, 05:58:02 pm
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on November 18, 2018, 02:39:32 amWifey is 10 years younger than me. After our first couple of dates I never noticed an age difference any more. I sometimes wonder if that's still how things feel when the age difference is extreme. Many outsiders have a lot to say about relationships like that, but does a well established couple even notice the age gap when its not being pointed out to them?

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2018, 06:44:32 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on November 18, 2018, 06:10:04 amHey, wait till you are interviewing for a job and the HR guy said: "Oh, wow, you are older than my father..." That was an clearly age-discriminating comment which is and was illegal. This was not the worst crazy (and illegal) comment I've heard in the interview, so I had the opportunity of already think over issues of that nature. It is better to just let it go. The way I looked at it was: "Stupidity has no cure, so why get all burnt up over it. I don't have time to give him an education when I have an interview going on."Wisdom often comes with age, so in all probability, I had a lot more wisdom than he does...

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2018, 07:06:00 pm
content: Quote from: Rick Law on November 21, 2018, 06:44:32 pmHow is that statement on its own illegal? Its rude, but surely its just a comment, unless it clearly weighs upon the outcome of the interview.

author: IconicPCB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2018, 07:55:25 pm
content: Wisdom comes with age, sometimes age comes alone.

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2018, 08:11:05 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on November 21, 2018, 07:06:00 pmThe point in the discrimination law is to prevent age discrimination, but there is no way to determine what the interviewer was thinking. He could be making a subversive statement revealing his bias against older people or he could be just making an observation. If the interviewee was hired, it would be a hard to prove case, however, if the interviewee was not hired and fully qualified, a case might be made for age discrimination.Personally, if i didn't make the cut in that specific job, I tend to roll with the punches and would go find a different job. We are all biased in one way or the other, it is just human nature, and it tends to slip out sometimes.

author: vtwin@cox.net
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2018, 11:32:18 pm
content: Quote from: tpowell1830 on November 21, 2018, 08:11:05 pmAnd the sad point is the laws (here in the US at least) probably result in more age-related discrimination under the covers.Case in point: I recently applied for a position within my company I was more than qualified for. However, it's well known (as I work in the public sector) how long I've been there, and the fact that I have another year to go before I could if I so desire retire.The job ended up going to a much younger, and less qualified, individual (I am 54, the other person in his early 40's)Of course, I can't prove anything.... but I suspect people are wondering "is he going to stick around after he gets his 20?" I've been on the hiring end too, and those questions enter my mind whenever I interview an older candidate (e.g. "if I hire him how long is he going to stick around until he retires?"Nobody can *ask* those questions, because... well.. that's age discrimination.. so instead, we "err on the side of caution" and hire the younger candidate", because he's "safer", "has a family", "is more likely to stick around", etc.Whereas, if someone had the ability to ask me: "Twinny, aren't you going to retire soon?" I could answer "nah, my wife is 5 months pregnant and I have to stick around another 2 decades until this one is out of college too"In this neck of the woods, there's a coffee chain known as "Mary Lou's Coffee" which is known for for it's young, perky, fit waitresses. Hate to say it, but "stout" 54-year-old Twinny dont have a shot of landing a job there to supplement his pension. Age discrimination? You betcha.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 01:36:00 am
content: Quote from: VK5RC on November 17, 2018, 09:14:10 amI go with the simpler and logical explanation of why time seems to speed by faster as one ages. It's because each succeeding year is a smaller percentage of one's total age. Turned 72 this month, but truly in mind I never feel or felt any specific age ever. Eyesight and hearing are not what they once were but so far doesn't seem too limiting. Its been a great time in history to have been born in my era, so many advances.

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 12:50:26 pm
content: It's all 'horses for courses'. I'm in my mid 60's now. I've been an Electrician, special class, & technicianfor 45 years in commercial/industrial environments. Through MOST of that, I had something to offer !!Some people like to make themselves indispensable to 'protect' their jobs. I, on the other-hand, LOVEDto share knowledge, as I remember what it was like when first starting. Be-it Apprentices, or Work-Experience people, or new tradespeople/techs. in various fields/companies. I NEVER withheld info !!I'm talking about the days when the most learned/capable main-stayers in companies, knew everyinch of the Plant, and worked with PRIDE. And they were VALUED.Throughout the majority of 'those' times, large companies also had teams of 'Carpenters', 'Welders','Plumbers' etc, as WELL as the ubiquitous mechanical-fitters/machinists and Elect/Techs....NOW... it's down to outside Contractors/Sub-Contractors for 90% of all the work, or more....OK,so where does this leave us? (Let's digress for a minute).I do not know about other countries, but here in Australia, most automated/specialized machineryis now of a fairly standardized form, from many parts of Europe. The companies that supply themachinery, also now have major contracts to maintain them, along with a lot of ancillary equipment.I've repeatedly seen specialized 'techs' from a supplier, that know nothing about the individual plant,and are starting from square one to find faults or work on the 'plant' as a whole.Now I understand completely that times are a bit different now with regard to specific technologicaladvances, beyond 'Old-School' schooling these days, but PLEASE do not forget the absolute wealthof knowledge that 'us oldies' can pass on for free, in a typical work environment. There's an oldsaying about NOT throwing the baby out with the bath water !!! Most companies have done that

author: onesixright
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 02:06:14 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on November 17, 2018, 01:57:53 amAgreed.The older you get, the more you do the same (routines!). The more you do, that you already did, the more likely you do that on the 'auto-pilot'. Hence, time flies.Routines are a b!tchSpice up the routine!

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 02:10:27 pm
content: Quote from: vtwin@cox.net on November 21, 2018, 11:32:18 pmThey're not allowed to ask, but you can certainly volunteer the information. Women of a child baring age tend to have the same problem.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 03:10:40 pm
content: Quote from: vtwin@cox.net on November 21, 2018, 11:32:18 pmHeck, are you a fighter pilot or some such?Seems that conditions in the public sector are pretty generous in your country!I guess I'm envious.Retirement age here will be 67 by the time I get there...

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 07:15:59 pm
content: This is a very good point. I fell into the daily grind routine trap for almost 20 years. It's a mistake. Try to do different stuff. Avoid spending every weekend at home. Don't take "Staycations" every year, spend some money and go somewhere. You will never regret the money spent on a real vacation because the memories you will make will be priceless.Quote from: onesixright on November 22, 2018, 02:06:14 pm

author: onesixright
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 07:29:25 pm
content: Quote from: rdl on November 22, 2018, 07:15:59 pmYeah, thats why most people feel like a week of holiday, felt like it was a month (new impressions) 😀Take a different route to work, eat somewhere else, learn something new!

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 08:20:31 pm
content: Quote from: onesixright on November 22, 2018, 02:06:14 pm"Auto-pilot" is certainly a problem for the old, but also a problem for the younger. It is a learned attitude which can be changed.[ If you would indulge me, let me be a "know it better" old guy for a moment and share this with you younger folks... ]It was fortuitous for me that I learned this from my boss and his boss at a younger age:One must remember, all knowledge (and processes) have a shelf life and one must be vigilant in detecting it.The right answer to a question for yesterday may not the the right answer to the same question tomorrow.Which also flow into the next very important I learned from the same two people:Learning doesn't stop. <--- This is where the young/new grads often fall short. Many think with their newly minted BS degree, they already know everything they needed to know -- and fail to learn from other's mistake. Some even fail to learn from their own mistake.Having learned those lessons myself, I became much more observant. I observe those in positions I want to be in and see what they do different. Some habits I observed were good ones that I incorporate into my being, some habits I laughed at.Technology really is no place for "auto-pilot".There were days when a college grad learned CICS (IBM mainframe stuff) and use that for 10+ years. Not anymore. With the much shorter shelf-life of technology today, if you don't re-engineer yourself in subject matter, context, and conductregularly, you are a dinosaur in no time.Knowing what to do is one thing, execution is another. Knowing what is the right thing to do is good, but one still has to do it and do it right.I would say, execution is where I fall short of my own aspirations.Knowing my own short comings, two things I say most often in my staff meetings:(1) The thing I don't want to hear are the things I most need to hear (often followed by "so come out with the bad new, I need to know".)(2) Good strategy you need only one, good execution you need every damn day. (often followed by "So do it, and do it right. Don't tell me you don't have enough time - if you don't have time to do it right the first time, where the heck are you going to find the time to do it over?")Inspired by "The Spanish Inquisition" that "no one expects", I got to have three things. So I will add this:(3) Instead of "don't do what I do, do what say", I trained myself into the habit of saying: "Don't make the same mistake I do; go do what we both know is right."But of course, these three points have shelf-life too. I am not sure they apply these days. For me, these days, I don't care, I am old and retired. So, I have the luxury of stress free error-ignoring days...

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 08:32:31 pm
content: Acetyl-L-carnitine improves aged brain function.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20590847Kobayashi, Satoru; Iwamoto, Machiko; Kon, Kazuo; Waki, Hatsue; Ando, Susumu; Tanaka, Yasukazu2010-07-01The effects of acetyl-L-carnitine (ALCAR), an acetyl derivative of L-carnitine, on memory and learning capacity and on brain synaptic functions of aged rats were examined. Male Fischer 344 rats were given ALCAR (100 mg/kg bodyweight) per os for 3 months and were subjected to the Hebb-Williams tasks and AKON-1 task to assess their learning capacity. Cholinergic activities were determined with synaptosomes isolated from brain cortices of the rats. Choline parameters, the high-affinity choline uptake, acetylcholine (ACh) synthesis and depolarization-evoked ACh release were all enhanced in the ALCAR group. An increment of depolarization-induced calcium ion influx into synaptosomes was also evident in rats given ALCAR. Electrophysiological studies using hippocampus slices indicated that the excitatory postsynaptic potential slope and population spike size were both increased in ALCAR-treated rats. These results indicate that ALCAR increases synaptic neurotransmission in the brain and consequently improves learning capacity in aging rats.

author: rhb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2018, 08:44:18 pm
content: At 60+ a Stanford PhD will not get you a job in the oil industry even if you have known all the senior managers for 20 or 30 years and are proficient at state of the art hot topics such as compressive sensing.Part of it is cost, but a larger issue is you won't be around for another 20-30 years.My "retirement" plan was just to work shorter hours, say 500-1000 hours per year. I enjoy working with really smart people. So now I'm focused on electronics and hang out here. Not *quite* as much fun as having a really sharp PhD routinely wandering into my office and start scribbling on the white board. Or being able to do the same in his office. But still a huge source of enjoyment. But in this case *I* had to buy the necessary tools rather than having someone buy them *and* pay me.Fortunately, I followed Dad's example and squeezed every penny with Vice Grips before letting go of it.A comment on Rick Law's post. If you do not spend 4 hours a week investigating something you think *might* help you in your work, you will get what you deserve. And you probably won't like it. In engineering and science this means buying $100-$200 books and reading them cover to cover on *your* time, not your employer's time. If you are not willing to invest in yourself, why should anyone else?I have worked with far too many PhDs who would not read a book unless the company bought the book *and* paid them to read it. Who were then just shocked that they were laid off.

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2018, 12:07:34 am
content: Quote from: rhb on November 22, 2018, 08:44:18 pmI too saw this expectation you described from many: the employer should and will train me on what is necessary or beneficiary. Such expectation from technologist is really bewildering to me.Technologist are typically knowledgeable, smart, and logical people. But if you sit on your hands to wait till the company found it necessary to train it's staff in certain technology, by the time you are trained, so are your colleagues. How then do you gain a competitive advantage? Even worst, waiting until someone hands it to you is not exactly an attribute you want to show your employer. This confounds me even today. Why would smart and logical people do something so illogical? Why would you wait until your competition catches up?I have (to my recollection) never turned down an expense report for training material, but I had never initiated employee technology training unless it is absolutely necessary. If the employee is not diligent and conscientious enough to look out for what he/she needs, and not driven enough to go get it on his/her own, I am not pushing him/her. Pushing would be a waste of my time which would be better spend on those who are driven, diligent, conscientious, and self-aware.It does come at a cost. I recall a few who believe I am a sorry arse for that.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2018, 12:19:32 am
content: Quote from: Rick Law on November 23, 2018, 12:07:34 amIn my experience most reasonable employers are quite flexible about helping with the time and cost of keeping up to date. You can only expect them to help you learn material with a strong relevance to their current needs, though. That just isn't enough to get you through a 40 year working life. There are going to be some disruptive steps in that working life, as large scale changes in technologies and markets occur. Only you are in a position to ensure you have gained enough suitable knowledge to minimise how much they disrupt your life.

author: rhb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2018, 12:55:15 am
content: Four hours a week is 10% of your regular work week in the US. It's a couple of evenings a week at most. As previously remarked, if you don't care enough about maintaining your skills to spend that small effort, why should your employer?I have a very large personal technical library. About 1/2 of it is unrelated to my work. The other half is. I have 80 ft of shelf space devoted to computer books alone. No, I did *not* read the X11R4 and Motif reference manuals cover to cover. But I read the software engineering, programming, hardware reference manuals and such. The other side is mathematics and geosciences. Particularly in the area of mathematics, a lot were bought for references. I have not had many occasions to read Watson's "A Treatise on the Theory of Bessel Functions". It sits on my shelf so that if a question came up at work that required it, I would know the answer the next morning. And I was paid *very* handsomely for that. I *only* read those books at work if I had an immediate work related task that required them.I have invested in excess of $100K on my personal library. I was subjected to ridicule by some of my classmates about my book purchases. They preferred driving a recent BMW rather than 15 year old, high mileage VW bus. But I made serious money from the use of my library. A BMW would have just been a substantial expense.So, are you old? Well, 90 is officially old. My dad moved a 3000 lb milling machine *by himself* at age 87. He passed away at 91.Mother passed away 6 years later, a month and a day short of 96. She only stopped driving at 95. The day she died we went to church, had lunch and I went home. She broke with her usual habits and baked 20 dozen cookies, 3 loaves of bread and finished a needlepoint she was making for a close friend whom she had realized she had not given one. She sat down to get ready for bed and died. I'm sure she was delighted. She had trouble seeing and hearing. And worse yet, she couldn't go as fast as she liked. Unless she had a shopping cart to keep her from falling. In which case, she still went like a bat out of hell. So when I dropped her off at Walmart and parked in the nearest handicapped spot I then had to search the entire store to find her.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2018, 01:01:18 am
content: Pre-publication abstracthttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29656010Format: AbstractSend toNeurobiol Aging. 2018 Jul;67:108-119. doi: 10.1016/j.neurobiolaging.2018.03.015. Epub 2018 Mar 21.Age-related defects in short-term plasticity are reversed by acetyl-L-carnitine at the mouse calyx of Held.Singh M, Miura P, Renden R.AbstractHearing acuity and sound localization are affected by aging and may contribute to cognitive dementias. Although loss of sensorineural conduction is well documented to occur with age, little is known regarding short-term synaptic plasticity in central auditory nuclei. Age-related changes in synaptic transmission properties were evaluated at the mouse calyx of Held, a sign-inverting relay synapse in the circuit for sound localization, in juvenile adults (1 month old) and late middle-aged (18-21 months old) mice. Synaptic timing and short-term plasticity were severely disrupted in older mice. Surprisingly, acetyl-l-carnitine (ALCAR), an anti-inflammatory agent that facilitates mitochondrial function, fully reversed synaptic transmission delays and defects in short-term plasticity in aged mice to reflect transmission similar to that seen in juvenile adults. These findings support ALCAR supplementation as an adjuvant to improve short-term plasticity and potentially central nervous system performance in animals compromised by age and/or neurodegenerative disease.KEYWORDS:Acetyl-l-carnitine; Aging; Calyx of held; Electrophysiology; Neurotransmission; Synaptic plasticityPMID:29656010PMCID:PMC5955853[Available on 2019-07-01]DOI:10.1016/j.neurobiolaging.2018.03.015

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2018, 04:41:37 am
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on November 22, 2018, 12:50:26 pmIndeed!I was lucky enough to work for two Employers consecutively, who still maintained some of the old ways of doing things.Both of them eventually became caught up in the "need" to cut technical staff, because of two misperceptions.(1)That they were overstaffed ---& in the case of the former, with "bludging public servants".(If you demonised any other group in society, there would be an outcry, but Govt. workers are always fair game).(2)The false perception that "technology" had made all our jobs obsolete!With the earlier employer, It was hard to go to work, spend all day doing necessary stuff, only to be told by people with no knowledge of the field that "It can all be done with computers".The result of cutting staff was that those remaining had to do the work of those who had left, with the result that they were constantly stressed.Some people had received redundancy payouts, but we hadn't, so we were in the situation of doing everybody else's work, as well as our own, with, in many cases, lower pay.Many "pulled the plug", including me.I went to a Commercial TV station, for a bit lower pay, but a lot less harassment.I stayed there 10 years, so I mustn't have been such a "bludger", after all!They eventually succumbed to the "downsizing" craze, but at least, they offered voluntary redundancy to everyone.I then, (not voluntarily), had nearly a year off --- no dole, as my wife supposedly made too much money for me to be eligible.I then had a lot of short term jobs-- all except one utilising my Electronics knowledge to some degree.Thus, I came to my last job, where I found myself pushing chip capacitors across various spots on RF amplifiers while applying an RF sweep signal to them---- something I had last done about thirty years before.Sodon'tdiscount old knowledge & skills, or they will come back to bite you!

author: vtwin@cox.net
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2018, 12:45:51 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on November 22, 2018, 02:10:27 pmTrue, and knowing that, I usually attempt to work some type of "life circumstances" talk into the discussion in a roundabout, casual way, to "plant the seed", so to speak. Even so, having been on the hiring end of the discussion, even with that information I know how hiring managers "think".... and you're dead on about women in their child-bearing years.Quote from: ebastler on November 22, 2018, 03:10:40 pmSecret agentWe pay 11% of our total salary into the retirement plan while we're employed. The retirement system allows you to get a pension with as little as 10 years of service, starting as early as age 55. You won't get a lot, though, only 15% of your base pay. The "standard" is 20 years of service at age 65 will get you a 50% pension. Each year of service above or below, and each year of age above or below, either adds or subtracts from that 50%.

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2018, 12:18:12 pm
content: Quote from: vtwin@cox.net on November 23, 2018, 12:45:51 pmThank you for not only your input, but for "daring" to utilize such quote-marks for emphasis !!I'm now used to, no end, for being abused for doing that. But that's just me.. (...) (....)You know what you mean & why, I know what you mean & why.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2018, 04:06:48 pm
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on November 24, 2018, 12:18:12 pmHi Glenn, having been among those who complained about your unconventional use of quotes, I feel guilty now.But I noticed in other recent posts of yours that you have switched to boldface or caps to indicate emphasis, and found them much easier to read indeed!When reading vtwin's post above, I think he consistently uses quotes to indicate "so to speak" or "as it were", rather than emphasis. That's what quotes were designed for!

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 12:32:24 am
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on November 24, 2018, 12:18:12 pmI must admit that, at first, I also found your emphasis efforts quite distracting. They made it difficult to pick up on the core points.However, now I find it a lot easier. Perhaps that's through my getting used to your style or because you have eased off a bit - or a bit of both. Either way, it doesn't bother me much at all these days - but it is still easy to recognise the style. (Don't ever start writing ransom notes!)You bring some interesting perspectives to the forum - and that's great for the health of this place.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 12:50:49 am
content: Not since I started counting in hex

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 01:08:17 am
content: What's wrong with counting in hex?

author: vtwin@cox.net
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 02:24:51 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on November 26, 2018, 01:08:17 amYears ago I had a boss w/ a sign on his desk: "When you think of asking for a raise, think binary"

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 02:55:20 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on November 26, 2018, 01:08:17 amNothing wrong really, but if you are young, better to learn to write in octal. When you want to impress the new young lady you just met, and want to impress her with how accomplished you are, write down (and show her) your salary in octal. You can make a real impression without telling a lie.

author: jismal
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 04:01:10 am
content: Why fellas feeling OLD.You people only taught us to be awesome engineers. You people are the real deal. Chill out and get some fresh air. And blow up some caps.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 04:50:57 am
content: Quote from: Rick Law on November 26, 2018, 02:55:20 amLove it.Even better if you worked for DEC.

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 12:14:33 pm
content: I'm a happy old 'git' tonight !!Fromebastler...Quote from: ebastler on November 25, 2018, 04:06:48 pmAnd fromBrumby...Quote from: Brumby on November 26, 2018, 12:32:24 amI'm so glad you both took this in the lighthearted way that I had intendedYes, I am a bit more conscious these days of what I type, though sometimes with difficulty & fighting the keys !I still think that various methods of 'emphasis' are ok, in a short technical paragraph, as opposed to a Book.However I hope (and find lately) that it is not the worst things to remember me by !! Hahaha...I don't have a problem with people thinking/saying... "Oh this looks like it's from Glenn Sprigg"As long as people know when I'm 'Taking the Piss', (Aussie citation needed!) and just being friendly, like now!My intention is only to ever to bring up something interesting/poignant,and sometimes share my ancient memories.Thank you to you both, for your friendly words.P.S. For the last year or so, I thoughtebastlerwaseblaster!!Sorry.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 02:39:08 pm
content: Hi Glenn, I'm glad to see that you took the ciricism in stride. As Brumby said, it's a minor point anyway, but it would be a pity if the punctuation distracts from interesting content!Quote from: GlennSprigg on November 26, 2018, 12:14:33 pmNo offense taken at all! "Bastler" means "tinkerer" in German, by the way. So "ebastler" was meant to refer to my tinkering with electronics etc.

author: Wolfgang
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 03:33:40 pm
content: Whats wrong with e-blasting ? In German basteln (tinkering) is fine, but for all teccies some blasting is absolutely appropriate too, like here:https://de-de.facebook.com/ZDFterraX/videos/das-perfekte-steak/10154163338522931/In German, but the pictures tell everything

author: RobK_NL
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 09:14:31 pm
content: Quote from: jismal on November 26, 2018, 04:01:10 amYou do realise those are mutually exclusive, don't you?"A day older than yesterday, a day younger than tomorrow"

author: BocaDev
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 01:50:56 am
content: QuoteYes

author: Nusa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 02:19:24 am
content: You know you're old when the girls hold the door for you, rather than the other way around.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 02:30:31 am
content: Ooof.Glad I'm not there yet.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 02:32:49 am
content: Quote from: Wolfgang on November 26, 2018, 03:33:40 pmwhat's wrong is that you need to consider alot of normally negligible factors when designing equipment to use with such things, a fuse is probably safer then a home made contraption unless someone was really neurotic about it and followed all the guidelines, triple checked everything, read all the accident reports he can find, etc. Quite a bit of work IMO.

author: Wolfgang
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 02:42:00 am
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on November 27, 2018, 02:32:49 amNo worries, it was done by a pro, of course. The guy who did it is a blasting expert and consultant.In German, it did say "dont try this a home" a lot of times.Next summer I will try this, too (I also have a blasting license). Its not *really* dangerous, because the total amount of explosives used is just *one* gram per explosion. But it looks like funSo - why not explode your steak

author: Gary350z
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 05:50:51 am
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on November 17, 2018, 07:43:02 amWell you better get busy and do some!

author: Tom45
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 03:13:44 pm
content: Quote from: Nusa on November 27, 2018, 02:19:24 amA year ago I was in Seoul and spent a day visiting several palaces (Gyeongbokgung, Changdeokgung, Changgyeonggung). After a full day of hiking around and between these 3 palaces, I was dead tired. And I must have looked it. On the subway ride back to my hotel, it was packed and I was standing up holding a strap. A middle aged Korean woman got up and offered her seat to me. As tired as I was, I took it.

author: bsfeechannel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 01:47:28 am
content: Quote from: Nusa on November 27, 2018, 02:19:24 amOr when you stare at a beautiful girl on a bus or the subway and she gives up her seat for you.

author: IconicPCB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 03:12:31 am
content: Or when You dont mind farting in company of young girls.

author: Wan Huang Luo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 04:08:11 am
content: Quote from: IconicPCB on November 28, 2018, 03:12:31 amits not voluntary either, you’ve just resigned yourself to the fact that you can’t control it anymore

author: jaunty
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 04:50:33 am
content: Quote from: Wolfgang on November 17, 2018, 12:23:49 amcan you explain that further wolfgang?

author: Wolfgang
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 09:38:10 am
content: Maybe another proverb:The nice memories of old age are made from the sins you committed when you were young.

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 01:38:24 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on November 26, 2018, 02:39:08 pmOk, I know we are off-topic now, but thanks for that explanation! I've had a long interest in the German language,and throughout my career(s) I've had many old German friends as well as working with numerous types of Germanmachinery, with all the Tech Drawings/Schematics in German. As a result, I had an 'introduction' to a lot of Germanthat most German households would not even have heard of !!These friends & acquaintances would ALWAYSfirst 'make' me pronounce all the letters/vowels correctly before interpreting/reading ANYTHINGThey liked for me to 'learn' phases/thoughts not easily put into words, or generally understood, like...Durch die Blume Gesprochen, meaning "Speaking through flowers". As in (many scenarios) you may be talkingto a woman and you want the words to come out better?! as if the 'flowers' in front of your face somehow absorbyour 'cruder' words/thoughts, and 'emanate' what you may have liked to have said, and she would like to hear!?The hardest part is 'gender', (Die, Der, Das) for the word 'The'. (Die Frau, Der Mann, Das Kinder). Kinder is a child,but male or female they have 'neutral' Gender... (Das). You might think a 'Bolt' & 'Nut' is obvious, but what abouta 'clock', or a 'brick', or a 'cigarette lighter'. Usually no pattern. You just have to know them off by heart !!Not to mention having to be on 'Du' terms with someone, like a friend instead of a Boss ?? Becomes...Haben Sie.... orHast Du.... (have you...) depending on your/their status/standing.I understand the majority of what I READ now, but when SPOKEN to me I only pick up every 2nd or 3rd word! dueto the speed of their typical speech. It sounds like... "John ... ... car ... ... shop ... ... beer! ... food ... hungry!In English, if I said to a foreigner just learning... "Watchdointomorra", instead of a CLEAR slow & paused..."What Are You Doing Tomorrow" then they would/do have the same problem!!! Friends told me to putdown the books, and engage solely one-on-one with Germans around a table. (WINE was a per-reqisite!!!)Ironically, as a 'musician', there are many times that I have sat amongst 5 or 6 others at a festival, and no-oneelse speaking English... and we somehow just 'Make Music' , as it's a Universal Language !!! Words not needed.P.S. ToBrumby... (Only he will get this!!!)I "HAVE" your PET 'Cat'. If YOU 'ever' want to SEE it again........ then "please" write an "ESSAY" on what youMOST 'love' about it.......... ... and forward 1234 'bitcoins'; to my OFFshore account, as thus !!!!!......BANK--- 'Turtle Islands'... .. ... .. ......ACCOUNT: "oHyeA"..""",:,NUMBER: @123"321",,,...UpOn receept of your "essay"......... wE will guage your "Worthiness" to "COLLECT" your 'Furry'Felinefrom a Post"Box" near you......DO not 'try' and "trace" me,as it will "RESULT" in the death of "SAID" fluff-BALL !!!(Have a good day

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 01:42:30 pm
content: Like Music, Electronics of course (and Math) are universal languages too.Kind of like in the movie "Contact"!So maybe there is hope for all humanity!--------So, anyway, earlier on in this thread I made some suggestions as to functional nutrients. Some (most) of these substances are easy to procure, cheap, and really do make a huge difference in your abilities as you get older, and literally slow down the aging process in key areas, such as ability to learn new things, and remain neurally flexible. The science is solid on that. Its not hypothetical.They may turn age into an advantage. (because of your newly rejuvenated memory for many more things, over a longer span, than younger people)I haven't talked much about phytonutrients, but they are also important. For example, one can buy a small bottle of trans-resveratrol 50% powder from japanese knotweed extract for around $10, which is enough to last around a year if you take it very sparingly, buccally, in the cheek. (It should be refrigerated for best freshness. Taken like that its much more effective so you should take it sparingly, sprinkle just a tiny bit into the corner of your mouth and let it absorb in, several times a day.)Its action is quite complex, but I think its very clear that in moderation its effects are almost entirely positive, and built on solid science. To put it in just a few words, 'its really good for all sorts of things'.It dramatically reduces various kids of inflammation, and even may help joints repair themselves.Curcumin (from turmeric) is also really good for your body, especially your brain. It may help prevent a number of serious neurodegenerative diseases. It also protects your brain from some of the negative effects of chronic stress.Basically, plants have evolved a great many very useful substances for themselves which can also help us live a better, healthier life.Drinking green tea in moderation is also really good for people. Many of the substances that give foods their most appealing colors and deliciously complex flavors are also responsible for keeping them healthy, and we can share in their benefits.

author: vtwin@cox.net
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 04:40:38 pm
content: Quote from: Wan Huang Luo on November 28, 2018, 04:08:11 amappropriate video

author: blackbird
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 09:04:51 pm
content: I'm not old, just out of warranty

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 29, 2018, 03:19:26 am
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on November 28, 2018, 01:38:24 pmOh, that brings back memories... *shudder*

author: jimdeane
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2018, 09:26:19 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on November 22, 2018, 01:36:00 amI'm curious whether it's a factor of some senesence effect in the brain cells or structure, or if it's the accumulation of a lifetime of memories that makes the later years seem to go faster.Studying older people with severe amnesia would help decide on that answer.

author: jmelson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2018, 09:40:23 pm
content: Quote from: Wolfgang on November 28, 2018, 09:38:10 amOOH! Now, THAT'S a good one!Jon

author: Wolfgang
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2018, 10:14:55 pm
content: Another one:You hardly ever remember the nights when you got enough sleep.