EEVblog #959 - How Much I Make On Youtube Revealed - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 02:02:00 am
content: Dave reveals exactly how much he makes on Youtube and shows you the Adsense Youtube income screen with nothing hidden.Very few Youtubers will do this!Discussion about the struggles of making money on Youtube as a full time living, average CPM rates, and supplementary income sources and paid sponsorship and embedded advertising.How much money do the other big Youtubers make?Yes, Youtube management have said I'm allowed to do this.

author: Ksfixitman
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 02:33:46 am
content: Your knowledge level is 100 times mine and I'm good with that. I consider you a very smart person. I like that you don't talk down to people or act like your better then anybody. To be honest mail bag was what hooked me and everything else is a bonus. I will say my interest level in electronics has grown a lot from watching your videos. Someday I would love to get one of your multimeter's. Anyway just wanted to make a comment about how fun you are to watch. Thanks for all you do.PerryPaola KS , USA

author: Mr.B
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 02:48:59 am
content: Thank you Dave for your openness and honesty.I found it very interesting to have that insight into the earning capacity.Needless to say, I will not be giving up my day job…

author: amirm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 03:15:40 am
content: This was super useful to me as I have been thinking about creating youtube content. Had heard of rumors of Google banning folks for disclosing their revenue which I always found quite odd. Great to hear it is not true. Thanks a bunch.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 04:33:10 am
content: Quote from: Ksfixitman on December 22, 2016, 02:33:46 amThanks, and welcome to the forum, it's a fun place.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 04:49:35 am
content: Dave, would/could you attribute some of your YT success to more exposure with the forum ?The timelines for your rising YT views and the rise in forum membership seems more than coincidental.

author: nowlan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 05:18:56 am
content: Patreon.AvE9777EevBlog3047BigClive1840TPAI1241Julian Ilett262Was surprised that AvE did better than Dave to be honest.I feel sorry for poor Julian.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 05:21:17 am
content: Dave, *Thank you* so very much for doing this. Electronics is a means of relaxation for me and this community has increased my knowledge and enjoyment of it a LOT.

author: amirm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 05:26:14 am
content: Quote from: nowlan on December 22, 2016, 05:18:56 amShows you how cheap the engineers are relative to machinists.That, and the fact that Ave curses heck of a lot more than Dave must be the reason!

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 08:19:40 am
content: This was just odd to me. But none the less, i watched it. Glad you are earning a little bit of beer money.

author: alanb
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 08:37:43 am
content: Question for Dave - Do you get more money if we let the advert fun for the full duration? I tend to stop the advert at the first opportunity but would let it run until the end if you benefit from it.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 09:16:28 am
content: Run length matters, watch the ad to the end ( even if you are not watching it) and then watch again with the BIG HI. Do not switch away from the tab, as that is the one metric used to gauge attention, a backgrounded video is not considered a watch, even if you are using a video that is there to convey an audio only stream with a fixed image. To watch those pop them out to a separate window, and leave that running on the desktop, with it dragged mostly off to the side, so it still shows as a video. Still will be lower rated as an unselected window ( also a metric used), but higher than a non selected tab.

author: alanb
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 09:25:54 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on December 22, 2016, 09:16:28 amI'm happy to do that to help support the EEVBLOG and the other channels that I enjoy. Thanks for the information.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 09:30:27 am
content: Quote from: tautech on December 22, 2016, 04:49:35 amI doubt it contributes much.Only 10k active forum users for so last I looked, and most of them found the forum because of Youtube.Youtube is the world's 2nd biggest search engine, vast majority comes from that.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 09:31:31 am
content: Quote from: nowlan on December 22, 2016, 05:18:56 amDoes AvE advertise his?I hardly ever mention my Patreon.I get th same as Veritasium, a channel 10 times bigger than me.https://www.patreon.com/veritasium

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 09:32:48 am
content: Quote from: alanb on December 22, 2016, 08:37:43 amYes, but you can't get actual quantitative data on how much more it gives you.

author: denverpilot
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 09:34:30 am
content: Having talked to some friends who've attempted to "have a go" at part-time internet content creation, I appreciate both the time required to do it full time as you do, and also appreciate the openness and honesty about the real numbers.I doubt many people know how much time goes into writing, shooting, re-shooting, editing, and general video production of decent quality content with good camera angles and lighting, and a reasonably well done script or thought out idea.I'm just a radio hobbyist and electronics enthusiast who's also had many (too many) years in technical support roles for products, with some engineering titles and background over the years -- so I can follow 99% of what you teach, and I really enjoy all of your content.Your helpful attitude even with a healthy dose of snark when something doesn't work as promised, is also a lot of fun.Best wishes on many more years of success. I'll watch the darned ads all the way through if it'll help! Haha.

author: alanb
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 09:35:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 22, 2016, 09:32:48 amThanks Dave. Following SeanB's response I have resolved to let the adverts run for the full duration.

author: rea5245
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 02:03:06 pm
content: Dave, I run PCBShopper and I get income solely from ads on my web site. Would you be willing to share how much you make from eevblog ads? It would give me an upper limit of what I can expect to ever get from ads (my traffic is much less than yours).Thanks,Bob AlexanderPCBShopper.com

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 02:15:39 pm
content: Interesting stuff. I'm surprised how big a percentage of your total income is from Patreon.Keep up the good content and Good Luck for 2017!

author: max_torque
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 02:30:56 pm
content: I'm interested to know how much money you made from making a video that explains how much money you make making videos......

author: joseph nicholas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 02:32:45 pm
content: This may seem a bit out there, but once and a while, when watching Dave's vids, I notice he throws in what looks like a plug for certain companies. Is the intent there to get more test equiptment or do the various manufactures give him some money. If so, I think he should start drinking Heinkien and Snapple.

author: TiN
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 03:00:57 pm
content: Thanks Dave. It's a lot of work and time to get those figures, all considering.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 03:43:36 pm
content: The plug for certain companies is more of equipment that he consistently uses, and where on the bench he is. If you look, the power supply most used is one that he reviewed, and had some issues with, but the company involved did address them with upgrades, improving the product. Same with oscilloscopes, the ones most used are not the most expensive, nor the most feature packed, but the ones that have reasonable features for the use in question, and which are typically near the area. You rarely soo him using a massive multi thousand scope for measuring the blink time of a LED, but that one will be there when really complex serial decode is needed, or the really good FFT ability, or the SA it has in it as well.The EEVblog multimeters are there as product placement though, he has to advertise the blog, the channel and the stuff that brings in his income somehow, and you cannot fault him for having a meter he was proud to put his name behind on there. like on Mailbag there was a reminder of the Teespring T shirts, which have been popular, and i have actually seen them in the wild, and wear them as well.

author: iaeen
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 03:59:36 pm
content: Thanks Dave! It's always interesting to hear your take on different aspects of making money (also thinking about your going into business making turboencobulators video here). I will never go into business creating YouTube content, but it's interesting to hear how this stacks up against other options.Quote from: max_torque on December 22, 2016, 02:30:56 pmIt's like the video that showed how he edits videos... I'm waiting for the video showing how he edits videos that show how he edits videos.

author: nixfu
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 04:16:50 pm
content: Dave, I truly wish you made more for the work you do. It is sad you probably could make 2-3 times that going back as a working engineer.I appears that youtube rates are pretty low to me, and it would probably pay off much more to spend a little more effort to promote patreon subscriptions because you get far benefit directly for your efforts there. One cool thing that some people do is personally thank all their new patron subscribers by name at the end of each of their videos. You might try something like that and see if it works.Thanks anyway and wishing you more success.

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 04:37:12 pm
content: I would think he makes the same now as he would as an engineer, possibly just a bit more.$3,000-5,000 YouTube + $3,000 Patreon + $500 Forum ads + $2,000-5,000 (possibly a lot more) in sales (BM235, microcurrent, ruler, t-shirts) ... ~$13,000 per month the last few months.Then you have to subtract income tax, business expenses, investments into projects etc.Given the large fluctuations in income I hope he's taking care of his savings account!

author: Tek_TDS220
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 05:30:33 pm
content: Dave, in a perfect world you would be paid more money. Looking around my 'lab' right now, I've spent ~$3000 US on items that I never would have without your videos. I wonder how much in sales you are responsible for?I really appreciate your honesty and openness. I value your opinions highly.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 06:50:28 pm
content: Dave, thank you for your honesty and being so open about everything. I've been watching your blog ever since I heard about it, and enjoy every episode and participating in the forums. I started doing some YouTube stuff a few years ago, not to make money, but just for fun.My first video was on how to fix a Samsung TV whose caps on the power supply blew after only 2 years. As you know, that was just a fluke of good luck for me as it generated a ton of hits. YouTube then monetized my channel. Since then, that video has gathered > 726,000 views. My next most popular video was how to "hack" an Apple TV 3 at about 269,000 views. After that, it dwindles substantially but still, my channel has a total of 1.5 million views across over 100 videos and now just recently surpassed 1000 subscribers! EEVBlog is also added as a "Featured Channel", followed by Ben Heck, Make and Instructables.As far as income goes, I get a direct deposit from Google about every 1-2 months for ~$100. Maybe $500-600 a year? I haven't checked lately. Nothing to live on, but it makes me happy as I put that in to my "extra goodies" account if I need to buy something from "flee-Bay". It beats my BlackBerry developer account which earns me about $3 per quarter in PayPal revenue from my app sales.And I had put way more effort developing my apps for BlackBerry than my YouTube channel.Dave, you may not get rich on YouTube but we all appreciate all the hard work you do in teaching us all about electronics, busting scams, and being the independent "say it like it is" no B.S. guy you are!!!!Thanks for not being a sell-out, like a lot of other YouTubers and Bloggers who claim to be unbiased but sell everything on the side and get paid to product place. When you get gear from a company to review, you're not even afraid to criticize it and tell the truth about stuff you don't like! That takes integrity, which is worth more than any amount of money.So keep up the good work! I may never be able to retire on my YouTube account but it's a pretty neat world we live in where these opportunities do exist. Of course, to make big money on YouTube you'd have to be doing stuff that the average Joe is interested in, which is not electronics education related... I can show you plenty of channels with millions of subcribers, hundreds of millions of views pandering to the lowest common denominator of filth, swearing, nudity, people getting hurt, dumb stupid things, embarrassing people, conspiracies, scaring people, etc... Those types of channels do much better.A quick search on YouTube revealed the following "starlet" Tana Mongeau who has managed to get over 160,899,282 views (double that of EEVBlog) since joining in April 2015 (EEVBlog says 2009), and over 2.2 million subscribers (EEVBlog at 400,000+). Not to create any more traffic for this young lady, but just to show you where the interest of society lies and that it will keep rewarding this kind of content:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClWD8su9Sk6GzZDwy9zs3_w/aboutSadly, the number of educational and science channels subscription and view rates dwindle in comparison to this type of garbage.

author: Radio Tech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 09:39:22 pm
content: Dave,Thanks for the information you are freely giving out. It is much appreciated.Guess I will not be quitting my day job anytime soonhe heI am very happy with what little I do make on my channel.

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 22, 2016, 10:42:06 pm
content: Quote from: nowlan on December 22, 2016, 05:18:56 amIs that really skookum?PEACE===>T

author: broderp
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 02:45:12 am
content: Dave, You are a very well educated and intelligent person. I would love to work and learn from you. You would make an impressive teacher or professor. I give you mad props, for doing this video and am a bit confused as to why this would be a primary job when you are worth so much more in the electronic/ engineering field!I fit makes you and your family happy, then that is great, but you sir so much more valuable than the $40-50K a year! I'm not 1/10th as smart or knowledgeable as you yet I make more than that. I could not survive on $40KWhy not do the YouTube part time and work that 120K a year job? You have a lovely family. I would love to save up that kind of money for my wife and kids and our future.This makes me sad, you are kind of a "Nerd Hero" to me....

author: broderp
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 02:59:58 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on December 22, 2016, 09:16:28 amMan do I feel like crap now knowing that I have been cutting Dave's profit every time I took shortcuts to avoid the "commercials or ads" For Dave I will watch them (not skip them at least) so that he can maximize the profit from my viewing.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:19:15 am
content: Quote from: denverpilot on December 22, 2016, 09:34:30 amI'm my case I don't do scripts. But another Youtuber in the engineering space who does revealed that it takes about 30 hours of work to create one polished scripted 5 minute tutorial video.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:20:34 am
content: Quote from: rea5245 on December 22, 2016, 02:03:06 pmSend me an email.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:22:48 am
content: Quote from: joseph nicholas on December 22, 2016, 02:32:45 pmNope, you are mistaken.QuoteI have never accepted a single cent from a manufacturer.I mention brands because people want to know what I think about various products. If I think a product is good then I might mention it. It's just me being me.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:25:39 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on December 22, 2016, 03:43:36 pmOf course, I'd be a fool not to.It also helps that it's one of the smallest meters I have, and has a big display, both handy for good camera framing.If I didn't have my own brand meter I'd be using the BM257 for those reasons.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:28:44 am
content: Quote from: nixfu on December 22, 2016, 04:16:50 pmRest assured that I'm doing very well.Remember, I have other sources of income.QuoteYeah, I should do that more, but I simply forget. And also I wouldn't like to push it down people's throats on every video.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:33:25 am
content: Quote from: TheAmmoniacal on December 22, 2016, 04:37:12 pmI said that in the video, but most people commenting seem to think I"m getting paid a pittance.Trust me, the wife wouldn't let me do this if it's wasn't earning well enough.QuoteI'm doing pretty well.QuoteMy accountant alone costs me almost $5k a year.Internet access is another $9k a year.Plus countless other expenses.QuoteYes, I have a cash buffer.I've got to have this when I buy 600 multimeter upfront in one hit.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:36:18 am
content: Quote from: Tek_TDS220 on December 22, 2016, 05:30:33 pmI estimate it would be in the order of $5-10M (yes, million) at least.That's not a stretch either I don't think. Say I have influenced 10,000 scope purchases over the last 7 years at $500ea average, there is $5M right there just in scopes.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:39:13 am
content: Quote from: edy on December 22, 2016, 06:50:28 pmYep, that's for sure.QuoteThe science channels are doing exceptionally well, but that's pretty mainstream stuff.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:42:30 am
content: That was a great vid always interesting to see how much someone makes and great to see how open you are about it. It's easy to forget about the financial side of it. For the amount of work it is to put out videos regularly it would be less fun to do it if there was zero monetary incentive.I'll be honest, I use adblock as I find Youtube is practically unusable without it, what are your thoughts on ad blockers, and what are ways people like me can still contribute financially? I never really thought about it till now, but using an adblocker rips off the youtubers themselves and not just Youtube so I kinda feel bad now.And yeah, I bought a scope because of this channel.

author: TheDirty
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 03:45:13 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 22, 2016, 09:31:31 amNobody answered this, but he has mentioned it a few times. I haven't noticed so much lately. He does special projects just for his patreon members.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 04:06:01 am
content: Quote from: broderp on December 23, 2016, 02:45:12 amIf Dave "got a real job" he'd have to go to work every day, at the appropriately dictated times, he'd have to do the work he was set by other people, he'd have to go to inane meetings, he'd have to deal with many many people he'd rather not, he'd have to schedule his holidays in advance, he couldn't just decide to go to the beach for the afternoon... and most importantly, he would end up answerable to people other than SWMBO, the less people you are answerable to, the better.I could be making 5 times what I make if I had remained an employee 15 years ago instead of going it alone. I can't say I regret it.

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 04:07:37 am
content: Quote from: Red SquirrelI've bought HEAPS of stuff because of thisstoopidchannel !! Most of it, I already had 1-5 before, but ended up buying again.AND, even though I say to myself, "don't do it, don't get sucked in", more than likely, I'll buy the next "hot" item. siiigh ... miseryOh well, the FLIR was worth ALL the other items alone.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 04:19:06 am
content: Quote from: digsys on December 23, 2016, 04:07:37 amOh yeah I've bought a lot of stuff too like general purpose stuff from Digikey - a lot of it I have honestly not touched yet. lol. Still nice to know I have it on hand I suppose...Thermal imager might be my next big toy. Kinda eyeing the E4, but don't want to spend that kind of money yet so just waiting it out. It's one of those "nice to have" things that I might not really use all that often.

author: djos
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 04:59:23 am
content: Hi Dave, I'm glad you have a bunch of decent income streams under pinned by your YouTube channel. Your work is amazing and I'm sure if an idiot like me (who failed electronics math and switched to information systems) can make a great 6 figure salary (contracting in Melbourne is great), you'd surely be worth a hell of a lot more in your chosen profession!Keep up the great work and the excellent EEVBlog products!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 05:25:03 am
content: Quote from: broderp on December 23, 2016, 02:45:12 amI'm not. I'm worth more doing what I am doing now.QuoteI don't "survive" on $40k a year, watch my video again. I have many income sources, my total income is MUCH higher than that.For example, I did a quarter of a million dollars in sales on my shopping cart in the last year, around 2000 products shipped. There is decent profit in that.QuoteBecause that would suck, and I can earn more by doing what I'm doing now.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 06:12:37 am
content: I'm sure it's much more rewarding being your own boss too. No need to rely on a company that could decide at any point to restructure or layoff etc... or simply make bad decisions you have no control over.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 06:21:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 23, 2016, 03:25:39 amThe blue case though is definitely a big difference, as there are almost no blue cases in the multimeter space. Stands out quite well, and the display certainly is very nice when you are recording it.I probably do not support Dave with YT revenue, as I detest the video ads, but have the Patreon subscription.Sadly, while Dave and I have roughly the same income figure, there is a currency difference, his is in AUD while mine is in ZAR.

author: denverpilot
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 07:47:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 23, 2016, 03:19:15 amI believe it. My foray into content creation was in the audio podcasting days, and I cheated by having a four person panel discuss things. That let three people think while one spoke. (And then hours of editing out hundreds of "ummmmms" from my own audio and the audio of the co-hosts, so we didn't sound like morons. (Well, we sounded like morons anyway, but at least we didn't sound like morons who couldn't form complete sentences while thinking! LOL!)The ability to "wing it" while not rambling off too badly or confusing the viewer is a talent not all producers of content have. Especially in camera. It's harder to cheat and edit in post-production because the video will show the jumps. I cheated a lot on the audio only side of the content world.Even when you go off on a side-topic, it's relevant, and you come back around to the original topic nicely.I've been playing with electronics since I was about 12, but didn't specialize in it for my tech career...I think your videos on Op Amps were where the lightbulb really turned on for me on them...Three decades plus... after those heady 12 year old days of assembling little circuits to do junk ... like detect light and make noise with a photocell and a speaker... etc etc etc... and lots of copied op amp circuits where I "somewhat understood what was going on"... and playing with audio and RF amps and repairing a few over the years...I didn't truly "get it". Then bam. Dave's stuff on Op Amps.And ding! Ahhhh! Slap forehead. Correlation in the brain. Wow. (And then, thinking... "Duuuuuuh!")Anyway, thanks again for the great content. Super job, Dave. Some people are just natural teachers.

author: strangersound
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 11:20:09 pm
content: Thanks for sharing, Dave. No matter what the subject, you always shoot straight and cut through the BS. The Youtube and WWW community is lucky to have you as a regular contributer.

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 23, 2016, 11:23:56 pm
content: What's your profit margin on the BM257? And how many have you sold so far? ~$25 per meter at about 1000 sold?

author: lewis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2016, 03:09:36 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 23, 2016, 03:36:18 amI spent a good £60k (>100K Aussie bucks) with Agilent/Keysight because of your channel...

author: RGB255_0_0
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2016, 04:52:40 pm
content: Quote from: TheAmmoniacal on December 23, 2016, 11:23:56 pmI'd say at least double that. $50-$75AUD per meter at the number he buys them in. Amazon will hurt that obviously.

author: timothyaag
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2016, 10:30:08 pm
content: Quote from: EEVBlogI wasn't expecting this number with the way you operate. YouTube hosts the videos, you have merchandise on other sites like Amazon, the blog. I hope that's not a basic business class Internet price!

author: amirm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 03:24:12 am
content: Quote from: timothyaag on December 25, 2016, 10:30:08 pmHe needs fast uploading speed for youtube. And that doesn't come cheap where he is. Dave has done videos on that too!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 05:27:12 am
content: Quote from: timothyaag on December 25, 2016, 10:30:08 pmIt is. Welcome to Australia.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 06:44:49 am
content: If you think that is expensive come to South Africa, where the most common form of internet access is via a mobile phone. Long way down is ADSL, then a lot further is fibre, and there is no cable here at all.

author: djos
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 07:41:02 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on December 26, 2016, 06:44:49 amAustralia was going to have a fibre to the premises network to 93% of the population, but the conservatives won power in 2013, tanked the rollout (which was actually finally starting to ramp up), pissed about buying Telstra's last mile copper phone network and HFC for almost 3 years and then 12 months ago started rolling out last decades FTTN technology.Bloody joke!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 07:59:48 am
content: Quote from: djos on December 26, 2016, 07:41:02 amHaving said that, the NBN just rolled out fibre to the door of my lab and office, I should be able to connect NBN to both spaces in the next few months.Something happened recently that changed rollout from many years away to happening without notice.I should be able to get a 100M/100M unlimited data plan for about $100/month at both spaces. But I just joined a 12 month plan at the new office

author: djos
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 08:08:07 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 26, 2016, 07:59:48 amDam you're lucky, I have to wait till 2019 according to their website and if I'm lucky I'll get FTTdp (nbn tools are calling it fibre to the curb) as the Optus HFC (as told by anyone that had any Telco industry experience) in our area is end of life.We can't even get Optus HFC anyway as our part of the suburb is a decade newer and has underground power and PSTN and was ignored by Optus and their aerial rollout.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 08:14:39 am
content: Quote from: djos on December 26, 2016, 08:08:07 amMy lab building already had THREE fibres coming into it, couldn't use any of them unless I wanted to pay $1000+/month for 10M/10M, had to get my own fibre installed.NBN will make 5 fibres from 5 service providers

author: djos
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 08:15:48 am
content: Oh wow, that's nuts!

author: djos
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 08:26:28 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 26, 2016, 08:14:39 amBtw that's a pretty insane price for 10/10 mbps, I got quotes for fibre links nearly 10 months ago as part of a modernisation and BCP plan I wrote for a company that included VPLS and full end to end wan management to a D.C. with only a single link to start with, anywho 500/500 mbps was $1,200 per month and 1/1 gbps was $1,500 from Vocus.Oh and we didn't even have their fibre in our building, it was 50 metres away and required an extension. Those prices were for a 3 year contract.

author: djos
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 08:44:04 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on December 26, 2016, 08:32:51 amIndeed, the PSTN was reported by Telstra execs in a 2003 Senate hearing to "be 5 mins to midnight", so where does that leave us in 2016/17? 5 mins past?I spent a few years working as a business customer delivery manager and data centre manager for an ISP, now part of the TPG group, and I was pretty disgusted with the libs playing politics with the most important national infrastructure of the 21st century. It makes my blood boil after seeing the lengths and expense business have to go to to get decent reliable internet and wan network connectivity.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 09:28:33 am
content: You are lucky, I have 6 fibreas running past the door, and a manhole for access right outside, plus a fibre running under my feet to the cellular tower on property. But the rollout to my area is still unknown, there are rural areas with farmhouses scheduled before they even have the inner suburbs on the schedule.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 10:32:50 am
content: Quote from: djos on December 26, 2016, 08:44:04 amMy business park (Norwest) is one of the biggest and important ones in Sydney, and before I had my own fibre installed into the lab building there wasn't a single option in the business park under $800/month for 10M/10M (Wireless via BigAir). Insane.The NBN should have been rolled out into business parks first, but there was no votes in that.

author: djos
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 10:57:46 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 26, 2016, 10:32:50 amTotally agree, however the benefits to folks working from home, running small business from home etc are pretty substantial. The original 14 poi design (before the accc interfered and Conroy was to spineless too tell them to f'k off) would have been most efficient to build outwards from each poi.Ps many of my ISP customers were plunking down $20k for symmetrical 100 mbps microwave links .... If they were fortunate enough to have line of sight to one of our microwave pop sites. Or they agreed to throw down $2k a month for 3 years.Fibre extensions were damned extensive too, the shortest I managed was 150 metres and it cost is the ISP $40k despite existing pits and ducts we leased from Telstra.

author: tronde
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2016, 04:53:17 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 26, 2016, 05:27:12 amWhat do you get for $9k?

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2016, 01:45:47 am
content: Thats insanely expensive

author: Dubbie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2016, 07:33:11 am
content: I am in NZ and thanks to our national fibre rollout, I now have 1000Mb down and 500Mb up. Unlimited data, static ip. All for $100/m. No complaints!Sent from my phone using Tapatalk

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2016, 07:40:57 am
content: Quote from: Dubbie on December 27, 2016, 07:33:11 amNice for some.ADSL1 here, 1/2 hr drive from you and if I want/need more than 1.7Mbs/s (middle of night) I have to USB hotspot an iPhone to my PC.So our national fibre rollout has yet to deliver for me.

author: Dubbie
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2016, 08:38:21 am
content: It'll get there tautech!Sent from my phone using Tapatalk

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2016, 09:01:11 am
content: Quote from: Dubbie on December 27, 2016, 08:38:21 amMyself and a few locals formed an ADSL upgrade action group and lobbied high and low. Our local box is 1.4km from fibre at our local school and a new fibre run and a HW upgrade is required to then disperse the fibre data connection back into our local copper which should get us ADSL2+ @ <20 MB/s @ 1km from the box.We've got a meeting scheduled for early next year with our local MP (ex PM) to attempt to get things hurried along as we've already been identified as #4 priority in AK region for an upgrade.There's been a whole lot of factors that have influenced the delays of nationwide connectivity improvements, namely Chorus that have had some of their funding (and upgrade budget) removed by legislation and henceforth sat on their hands saying F*** you.Fun times.... not.

author: mintsoft
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2016, 07:08:19 pm
content: Dave! Randomly this episode (959) and 953 is missing fromhttps://www.eevblog.com/episodes!I rely on that for my Kodi viewingThanks,