Ebay fraud - Datron 4910 - Voltage reference  - Page 1
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author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 10:01:01 am
content: Hello there,always during week-ends and preferably during night time in the responsable Ebay branch fraudulous offers appear.Using stolen pictures and pirating good ebay accounts some fraudsters want to be contacted (and paid of course) outside of the Ebay platform. This is the dubious offer:https://www.ebay.de/itm/193906296432?ul_noapp=trueI just informed the security department of Ebay Germany.Best regardstry

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 10:11:47 am
content: Hello Folks - same impostor is posting fraudulent auctions about 3458A unit ... - he uses stolen photos and someone else online shop.https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Hewlett-Packard-3458A-Agilent-Digital-Multimeter-8-8-5-Digits-w-Option-2/203284989330?hash=item2f54bac592:g:96oAAOSwsnZgMaliIf price is too good to be true - stay away and inform ebay ...Best regardsScoobyDoo

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 10:36:01 am
content: Hello ScoobyDoo,could you give Ebay a ring? Will have to join a meeting now...Best regardstry

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 10:48:55 am
content: Hello Try -sentebay a message about 3 similar fraudulent ads - I hope they remove those soon.However this impostor returns every week using different hacked accounts from webshops ... - eBay should do more effort to stop these crooks.Best regardsScoobyDoosome easy checks:location item [USA / Germany] and address webshop - VAT number  does not matchThey do not respond on messages coming from ebay which is against ebay policyA pawn shop is involved but they only accept the minimum reserve and will make proposal to pay outside ebay systemPrice is still too good to be true ... - a good 3458A starts around 4000$ (and above) these days or something is fishy

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 11:19:21 am
content: I've reported a bunch of these listings in the last days (and more in the weeks prior). They keep matching some of my searches so I keep reporting them.When you see a listing with that pawn shop image in particular, just click Report Item then choose "Listing Practices", "Avoiding eBay fees", "Contact info in listings" - or something similar.Every time I've done this the listing dissapears within a day, along with any similar listings (possibly all listings) on the hacked seller account.I've just done it for the two listings mentioned above.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 01:57:26 pm
content: I wonder whether fleabay responds faster to "avoiding ebay fees" or "fraudulent listing"?

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 04:26:41 pm
content: Hi folks,thanks for your engagement!From what I learnt Ebay could be much faster in removing this ads.tggzzz, I fear that "avoiding ebay fees" is the right answer!I hope your reference is doing fine! Unfortunately it does not look like that there is opportunity for a comparison right now, unfortunately.Anyway, I'd like to wish you all low measurement uncertainty in 2022.

author: richnormand
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 08:19:06 pm
content: Seems to see lots of listing by these folks for the past 6 months, particularly on Keysight, R&S SA and signal generators.They use different (stolen?) accounts every sew weeks and the photos seem to be often generic ones, not the actual items.In reporting to ebay the "avoid ebay fees" gets an almost immediate response compared to any other reasons I have used from the drop-down menu.It is tempting to put an actual bid and press ebay to see if they stand by it (depending on the country I guess). If they were obliged by law I am sure these would disappear instantly.Considering how long this has been going on, by the same party (same contact info), I am surprised ebay itself has not followed through on an order to get them in court. The scam must be profitable to continue with impunity.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 11:05:24 pm
content: Quote from: richnormand on February 21, 2021, 08:19:06 pmYou would be refunded, obviously, but you never get the time you wasted back.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2021, 11:34:45 pm
content: These same fraudsters have been running the same scam for much longer than 6 months. I can't remember quite when we first noticed them, but for a while every Saturday morning in the TEA thread there was a rash of "The eBay fraudsters are back again. Reported themagain." postings. It's at least a year, probably longer.I don't know if eBay are useless or powerless, but they seem to have completely failed to stop them. Just the hijacking of accounts is enough under UK law to get them charged with criminal offences, and similar offences exist in most jurisdictions so there's no barrier to stopping them. Theyhaveto take money at some point for it to be a useful scam, and once there's a money trail there's a good chance of law enforcement tracking them down and charging them - repeated hacking is probably enough to get them locked up for long enough to prepare substantial fraud charges against them.They're on eBay every weekend and eBay don't seem to even slow them down, I can only presume that eBay haven't even spoken to the police about it. If we've spotted a pattern one would hope that eBay had managed to by now but either they haven't or they don't care. Other than reporting the individual fraudulent items there don't seem to be any way to point out the pattern to eBay in case they really have missed it.I guess one could do a BD139 and shitpost all over Twitter about it.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 12:25:15 am
content: Quote from: Cerebus on February 21, 2021, 11:34:45 pmI don't think hardly any resources are being put in place by law enforcement to detect and prosecute these kinds of crimes. So the perps just keep coming back, hacking someone else's account and having another go.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 12:32:51 am
content: True. The UK is getting slowly better in that regard. However, the fraud is the thing that would interest the police (one hopes it does when it's at this scale and persistence anyway) and the computer offences would be the "way in", rather like that expired tax disc/tag on your car can be the way into a discussion about your vehicle insurance, or outstanding warrants, or the funny smell coming from your cigarette.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 12:35:05 am
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2021, 12:25:15 amA good CIVIL lawsuit and a substantial financial judgement against them (and their ISPand anyone else connected to them) by E-bay and/or PayPal would soon put an end to this kind of business.

author: guenthert
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 04:45:59 pm
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on February 22, 2021, 12:35:05 amYou don't want to hold ISPs responsible for their customers' actions anymore than you'd want a restaurant owner where potentially some Mafiosis discuss their shady business.(substitute "Mafiosi" with spies, politician, capitalists, anarchists, terrorists, adulterers ... as it suits you)

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 04:53:41 pm
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on February 22, 2021, 12:35:05 amPut them on a "no fly list" for bank accounts, so they can't open new bank accounts - that should stop it.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 05:39:13 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2021, 04:53:41 pmThat opens up the question of "digital identity", which is a graveyard of good intentions. It is a classic example of amateurs thinking about how it might work, but professionals think about how it will fail.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 05:58:10 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 22, 2021, 05:39:13 pmNot sure I understand - a bank account is very much linked to a person (including limited company "persons" obviously).Banks already have to follow "know your customer" rules and would get in trouble for opening accounts for money launderers etc., so this approach is already in effect today - just not for "petty" crimes.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 06:44:08 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2021, 05:58:10 pmNow sit back and have a think, and try and design in your head a system that will workworldwide, no matterwherea person purportedly originates from, a system that will allow an individual to be:Uniquelyandunambigiouslyidentified,in which a person can always reliably prove their true identity (nofalse negatives)in which no other person is everaccidentallyidentified as the first person and thus denied something like a bank account by mistake (nofalse positives),that cannot beforged, even if the person claims to come from somewhere whereofficial identityis difficult to establish (unreliable or corrupt governments that might issue false papers cheaply or even make a business of it [cf Malta]),that can be used byanyone worldwide, and doesn't rely on access tonotaries,a reliable postal serviceor any other particular primary or secondary lynchpin typically used to prove possession of an official document or ability to receive post at some physical address, and isn't tooonerous or expensiveto expect everybody worldwide to use it.If you have any imagination you ought to be able to come up with a way that any system you invent will fail or can be subverted within ten minutes of inventing it.Provingidentityelectronically is a "hard problem"; provingtransactional entitlementis on the other hand doable, which is why so many electronic systems rely on it (e.g. possession of a digital receipt that can be exchanged for some particular good or service).Edited to add: In context, I've just opened a new bank account online with a major high street bank that I have never done business with before. The whole identify issue in doing so relied on (1) a scan of something that purports to be my driving licence, (2) a pdf of what purports to be my most recent bank statement from another bank I do business with, (3) delivering passwords and the like to a particular physical address, (4) being able to deliver email to a particular email address (that it so happens I created specifically for use with the bank account and that had never been used prior to making the account application). The difficulty of forging or subverting all of the above is not high.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 08:36:31 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on February 22, 2021, 06:44:08 pmI guess digital currencies can do a lot, but when all is said and done, there just isn't enough interest in stopping fraud.If you wanted to stop fraud with today's banking system, you would change the rules. For example, if you wanted to be really draconian, make it so that as soon as an account is flagged as being involved in a fraudulent transaction, all transfers out of that account after the date of the first fraudulent transaction are reversed - every last one of them, with the onus being on the receiving bank or financial institution.The fraudulently obtained money is then returned to the sender out of the returned funds, and the account is closed. This way, the bank that was insecure enough to actually hand money over to the criminal fraternity at the far end of the transaction chain ends up carrying the can - which is as it should be. They would soon start to care a lot more about who their customers are, and it would become much more difficult to criminals to open a bank account.But nobody wants this. The black "informal" economy accounts for some 20% of GDP...

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 08:52:56 pm
content: In a world where information was correct, a justification could be made for something like that. But back on planer earth where all databases contain errors, it will screw you in correctlyCurrent example: someone I know trying to get a bank to acknowledge their identity, but the verification fails despite being on the electoral roll at the same address for 40 years. Why? Because the name on formal legal documents is Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta, but Experian knows him as Alpha Bravo Delta.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 08:54:46 pm
content: As for digital identity certificates, a quarter of a century ago Stefik Zaba made the point to the government by correctly pointing out "my name is Donald Duck and I have a digital certificate to prove it".

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 09:03:08 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 22, 2021, 08:52:56 pmAttempting to get a driver's license in the US, I ran into the problem that the DMV wouldn't accept my social security card... because the name on the card was truncated compared to the passport. Reason: the social security card has a limitation on the number of characters it can have in the name field, so they shortened it down... (It eventually got resolved but a supervisor had to be called over to talk sense into the clerk.)Bottom line, live with the fraud, and think of it as a kind of QE... after all, the crooks create demand in the real economy with their ill gotten gains! As long as the defrauded people are covered, it seems to work OK without anyone having to do a lot of hard work... the default situation with government!

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 09:57:07 pm
content: Shamelessly "researched" fromhttps://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/Quote

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 10:03:34 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on February 22, 2021, 09:03:08 pmHah, I can surely relate to that. I have four names/surnames and a preposition in the middle. Try to fit that into First Name, Middle Initial and Last Name.That is the reason why some of the more "official" forms ask about "other names you are known (including maiden)". I tend to fill whatever I have registered on the DL, the SS, the Passport, the bank account, the credit card...

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 10:12:35 pm
content: @ tggzzz:A special case of the assumptions in the list (fitting into several of the lines) is that names never include diacritical (accent) marks, even if the family name is French, Spanish, German, etc.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 11:34:57 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 22, 2021, 09:57:07 pmLOL so many traps for young players!The thing that has always worked for me is to just assume that a "name" is any characters the user is able to enter into the field.So if you want to be known as the Ascii(7) character, be my guest!

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2021, 11:50:42 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on February 22, 2021, 10:03:34 pmThat's how "Felipe Juan Pablo Alfonso de Todos los Santos de Borbón y Grecia" ends up in a database somewhere as "Mr. Phillip A King" or if he's lucky as "Mr. Felipe A King".

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 10:16:30 am
content: Hello all,the fraudsters are back:https://www.ebay.de/itm/224375502875?ul_noapp=trueI just notified Ebay."Und samstags grüßt das Murmeltier!".

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 12:04:08 pm
content: Hello Folks,These gangsters always hack ebay accounts based in UK (or Germany) while goods are located in US.Best regardsScoobyDooFurther reading:https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/has-anyone-ever-bought-a-watch-from-ebay-rednose125-aka-pw-shop-live.5280656/

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 05:59:13 pm
content: Just stopped on a store but they immediately start hacking another store....https://www.ebay.com/itm/143970076038.....flooding it with thousands of bogus adverts.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 07:00:10 pm
content: I am suprised eBay don't have something to detect and block email addresses in listing images.

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 07:10:02 pm
content: Picburner, thanks for letting me know. I just called Ebay up.@Kean, as the gear is not real Ebay does not incure dammage - only their customers.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 07:23:33 pm
content: Quote from: try on March 06, 2021, 07:10:02 pmOf course it damages eBay. Any fraud on their platform damages their reputation. And they have to pay staff to deal with the angry customers or hacked merchants, or to deal with our reports of these fake listings.

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2021, 09:34:46 pm
content: What about flash flooding the sellers expressing our buying interest and starting to negotiate the price?

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 01:38:08 pm
content: Fresh fakes anybody?https://www.ebay.de/itm/Datron-Wavetek-4910-DC-Voltage-Reference-Standard/174670764477Datrons grow like weed.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 04:54:53 pm
content: Quote from: try on March 06, 2021, 09:34:46 pmFlash flooding eBay with complaints about the listings is likely to be more effective!

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 04:55:43 pm
content: Quote from: try on March 07, 2021, 01:38:08 pm"Wir haben überall gesucht. Anscheinend existiert diese Seite nicht. Für weitere Hilfe besuchen Sie unsere Hilfeseiten."Nice work!

author: LazyJack
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2021, 02:46:13 pm
content: I just can't fathom why these scams work. Because they work, otherwise they would not be popping up every day. Apparently there are enough stupid people to fall for these.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2021, 02:51:14 pm
content: Even a smart person can fall for a scam of some kind, if you are busy/preoccupied with something else.That's why scammers should be tarred and feathered, and mounted on spikes in prominent areas of the city, pour encourager les autres!

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2021, 04:12:05 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on March 09, 2021, 02:51:14 pmVery true.One of the first programmers who helped create the first commercial computer, Mary Berners-Lee, fell victim to a scam. You may have heard of her son.

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2021, 08:18:24 am
content: They started again, this time not on the weekend, and they changed the kind of items for sale.I found them by chance and already reported them to eBay, so the link may soon no longer exist.www.ebay.com/itm/284213852508Edit: eBay took about 3 hours from my referral to remove the scam listing but left all other fake listings in the same shop:https://www.ebay.com/usr/antcar_neave5qgEdit2: finally now, after 8 hours, they have cleaned up the whole shop.

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2021, 06:01:47 am
content: This morning we found multiple fraudulent listings in "HP 3458A" and "KEITHLEY 2002 DMM" groups on Flebayhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Hewlett-Packard-3458A-Agilent-Digital-Multimeter-8-8-5-Digits-w-Option-2/184708117830?hash=item2b01763546:m:mRyjOnTZ44ZBgmkOm-Zbu1ghttps://www.ebay.com/itm/Keithley-2002-Multimeter-8-12-Digit-DMM-2000-SCAN-10-Channel-Scanner-Card/193953239291?hash=item2d288390fb:m:mTqi6aG5_7sE5wcr0udcO8gThey changed their name from "pawnstore" to "ebshop" ...

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2021, 01:17:57 pm
content: Quote from: ScoobyDoo on March 13, 2021, 06:01:47 amHehe it is kind of funny how you are stalking the bad guys. Make them work for their money!

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2021, 02:51:21 pm
content: A few hours later today they were back again - but apparently these SCAMMERS are active in lots of listings for Metrology gear ...I start to believe these are regular EEVBLOG visitors ...eBAY should grey out "auction" bullet in Metrology section - that would helpMore EE members should flag these fraudulent SCAMMERs so they go elsewhere ...

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 13, 2021, 02:57:25 pm
content: Yep, earlier today I came across listings with this new ebstore contact detail on hacked accounts "gkrepairs", "katestore", and "mimamodparis". All reported a few hours ago, but so far they've only removed listings from the first and last ones. I think those stores are in UK, USA, and FR respectively, so reports are probably handled by different teams in different timezones.Quote from: ScoobyDoo on March 13, 2021, 02:51:21 pmThey list a wide range of products of high value. I think high end test gear is just one area, there are also watches, bicycles, guitars, and machinery. As they keep listing the same items each time, they keep appearing in my searches and getting reported. The prices are way too low to be genuine, and then you see the image with contact details each time.

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2021, 03:23:35 pm
content: They are active in KS oscilloscope section too - e.g. this is an auctionhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-MDO4104-6-4-Channel-1GHz-Mixed-Domain-Oscilloscope/274718753738?hash=item3ff68383ca%3Am%3AmMU-ZjWrQ0QzqrC3KaSqzRg&LH_Auction=1

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2021, 05:15:48 pm
content: Quote from: ScoobyDoo on March 13, 2021, 03:23:35 pmThe listing has already been removed - maybe eBay will get used to the fact that we will be complaining every time, so it is easier for them to just block the scammers!We should do the same with not-as-described components (fake components), get the sellers used to saying "Used Components" instead, and not waste time remarking them!

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2021, 07:00:29 am
content: Folks - the impostors were back this morning -fiveninetwelve listings using stolen pictures under auction in 3458A sectionHopefully they will be removed very soon ...It would be good if some Voltnuts check out ebay every Saturday morning and report these fraudulent listings to Fleepay.They also change their modus operandi - they invite people to divert totheir fakewebsite:https://www.ebay.com.4953236.com/CT/A81.html

author: mansaxel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2021, 08:57:29 am
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on February 22, 2021, 12:35:05 amShooting the messenger is what dictators and media industry lawyers practice. Sensible people might think twice."mere conduit"

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2021, 10:41:12 am
content: Quote from: mansaxel on March 20, 2021, 08:57:29 amIf only it was that clear cut and simple.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v_Demon_Internet_Service

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2021, 11:08:52 am
content: Quote from: ScoobyDoo on March 20, 2021, 07:00:29 amHello ScoobyDoo,the story remembers me the film "Und täglich grüßt das Murmeltier" (Originaltitel: Groundhog Day)I rang up Ebay. The employee was busier in getting my credentials (date of birth) than in stopping the fraud.I told him that giving my Ebay alias and my full name would be enough.The German team is unable to delete obvious fraudulous offers on the American Ebay site. This denotes how bad Ebay is organized.I am glad to see that you are taking care of the fraudsters.The Datron should be going offline now.Best regards and thank you for your last email...try

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2021, 05:10:33 pm
content: As a countermeasure (completely useless) eBay now asks for a second login to access my sales page.Basically they only just waste my time: if someone hacked my account he already has my name and my password!!What's the point of asking twice?

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2021, 08:38:43 pm
content: Quote from: picburner on March 20, 2021, 05:10:33 pmThat's what most security precautions do - waste the time of the legitimate user.The result is a drag on the economy as people react by using the inconvenient, cumbersome crap less!

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2021, 11:07:42 pm
content: Quote from: SilverSolder on March 20, 2021, 08:38:43 pmThey shift responsibility.The PIN on an ATM/debit card is to protect the bank, not the customer. "The PIN was correct so either you used the card or you gave it to someone else against our Ts&Cs. Your problem".See Halifax vs Munden, where a policeman was jailed for fraud. Years later they found the frausters were Halifax employees

author: richnormand
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 21, 2021, 02:28:16 am
content: I have sent multiple listing feedback to ebay about this.They always use the same contact email "pawn shop" and the same picture in the photo.Interesting that a "whois" search to that domain would list them in a non US country.But ebay has not done anything to stop them. I would think they could flag a photo that is well known an stop them if they really wanted to...I have stopped reporting them now since it looks ebay with all its resources does not really care.

author: SilverSolder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2021, 02:52:58 am
content: Quote from: richnormand on March 21, 2021, 02:28:16 amThey only care if big interests with big lawyers step in... e.g. try to sell a video that the movie industry doesn't want you to sell, and see how effective eBay can be...

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2021, 09:27:38 am
content: Hello Folks - it was quiet this week - however the scammers were busy last night:ebay items143989637896143989648834143989637850Fraudulent linkshttps://www.ebay.com.8870945.com/CT/A43.htmlhttps://www.ebay.com.5378281.com/CT/F524.htmlhttps://www.ebay.com.8870945.com/CT/A81.htmlWhile removing these fraudulent listings they popped again under different stolen account ...https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3458A&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Auction=1I wonder how well these trustworthy sellers protect their Fleepay passwords ... ?Best regardsScoobyDoo

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2021, 10:03:26 am
content: My beloved Datron 4910 is back for fraud!And it has doubled its existence even!https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_sop=10&LH_PrefLoc=2&_nkw=datron+4910&ul_noapp=trueUsing one of ScoobyDoo fraudster links I just submitted my interest in a 3458A (see attached pictures) for the "100% authentic" article.

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2021, 09:09:50 am
content: The Datron 4910 fake auction is back!https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254926706446With the poor shop flooded with hundreds of other fake auctions.

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2021, 09:20:37 am
content: Ali Baba and its 40 thieves are back in town ...Always early on Saturdays - in auction category - looks like when Fleapay resets its auction button ... and opens the door ...Also in 3458A category of products ...

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2021, 11:33:11 am
content: I rang them up. Even if they put down the fake ads their ignorance is impressive!

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2021, 01:29:22 pm
content: I just discovered another scam:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/194012981645I don't know if the authors are the same or not.However, even here the shop has been filled with hundreds of other fake auctions.

author: rubidium
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2021, 01:54:05 pm
content: Literally dozens of these scams for high-end test equipment popped up on ebay yesterday evening. Vector network analyzers, spectrum analyzers, scopes, LCR meters - all fantastic gear if only true. Telltale indicator is listing for $1500 (one seller) or $1000 (another seller), with directions to not bid, but rather hit the given link to make your offer. The first part of each link starts with "www.ebay.com" but always continues further with an additional ".com", e.g. "www.ebay.com.7153282.com/CT/c332.html". These people should be drawn and quartered.

author: ScoobyDoo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2021, 04:44:44 pm
content: I don't understand why eBay does not grey out its auction button permanently ...Every Saturday it is set active again and then these thieves are back ...

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2021, 10:58:06 am
content: They are back again:thisis the compromised store.

author: iMo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2021, 11:45:05 am
content: Quote from: picburner on September 19, 2021, 10:58:06 amI am going to buy a few of those Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Omega watches (provided the shipping would not cost me $23)

author: KT88
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2021, 11:59:49 am
content: Yup noticed that as well - they slightly adjusted their strategy. A 3458A is now around $1500 - $1600.

author: try
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2021, 12:15:57 pm
content: Rang up local Ebay security.The shop owner left an absence notice - he'll be back by the end of september.Obviously this information makes attacks a lot easier.

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2021, 02:21:37 pm
content: ....and to stay on topic... they also put oneWavetek 4910up for sale.

author: AaronLee
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2021, 02:57:10 pm
content: Quote from: picburner on September 19, 2021, 02:21:37 pmAnd it has the exact same photo of the item that the OP posted in the first post in this thread.

author: AaronLee
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2021, 03:49:58 pm
content: The listing for the Dalton Wavetek 4910 mentioned just two posts up is no long active. I assume Ebay took it down, but they left all the other listings from that seller. Come on, Ebay, use your brain. It's obvious ALL the current listings from that seller are fraudulent, not just that one.

author: picburner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2022, 08:15:49 am
content: Here we go again!However, they have changed their technique: the payment request is no longer found in the object description but in the second picture.They also changed the items to "sale": there is no longer the subject of this topic.

author: DavidKo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2022, 09:18:53 am
content: I cannot confirm if it was fraud, but someone had used my photos (HP 3478A) in another auction (Buy now). It seems that it is not against the ebay picture policy, so I have not reported that (by the way, the same German based seller was selling some cycling GPS with pictures where the cars around had USA style license plates).Since there are money involved I'm surprised that in Europe it is not necessary 2 factor authentication with exact seller identification for selling goods. At least it will be harder to hack someone account. That was my second thought since the seller had already the history of sold items.

author: EE54
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2022, 04:01:17 am
content: So uh, what's the chance of the scammers appearing here to complain about how we're ruining their business. Would make for quite an entertaining thread.