Rigol Service Manuals - Where to find? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: 45Overload
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2013, 02:07:16 pm
content: Decided to try a Rigol Dg1022A/U, even though I hear it has a few annoying glitches. I've used lots of function generators including the big dollar Agilent ones, and the 1022a will be fine for impromptu bench use. Does anyone have a line on where to get actual Rigol service manuals with schematics?Thanks!45O

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2013, 05:20:48 pm
content: Do you really expect to find any service info on any Chinese gear?These days you can't even get schematics for big-name stuff.Reverse engineering is the only option.

author: PA4TIM
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2013, 11:23:10 pm
content: Dream on, Chinise service (manuals)

author: 45Overload
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2013, 10:41:30 pm
content: I'm not sure why the Chinese manufacturers would be MORE difficult than anyone else, unless it is an issue of patent infringements. As more of these products are sold, we will undoubtedly see any recurrent issues that pop up. Rigol USA will service gear purchased elsewhere, but not under warranty.Off the subject is the current USA model 1022 as opposed to the 1022A/U. They have extended the frequency range of the 1022A/U from 20Meg to 25 Meg. One interesting spec. is the sine wave THD which they claim is about .2%. I'm comparing it to previous HP analog generators like the 3312 with .5% THD.Theoretically, a sine wave read out of a DSP could be much lower than .2%, but once again it is a matter of extra expense somewhere. In the case of the digital generators, I suppose we are dealing with clock jitter and noise created in the ROM and D/A converters. In any case it is now easy to sweep practically any bandwidth without clever range switching circuits.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2013, 11:09:49 pm
content: Quote from: 45Overload on March 08, 2013, 10:41:30 pmBecause Chinese companies don't give a toss about after-sales service.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2013, 12:24:00 am
content: What do you need a servicemanual for? In many cases the PSU goes bad. A PSU ain't rocket science and with some basic understanding they usually are easy to repair. The next thing that can get damaged are inputs and outputs. On low end equipment these usually consist of standard chips. Again not difficult to troubleshoot. IMHO this covers about 99% of the failures you can expect in equipment.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2013, 12:31:48 am
content: Quote from: 45Overload on March 08, 2013, 10:41:30 pmBecause a good service manual takes a lot of time and resources to produce.Ok, one person can do it, but that's one less person you have cracking out new design or units.The bigger older more reputable companies come from an age where that thing was expected, so many still do it, but the new companies have no such history, hence they see no value in it.Dave.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2013, 12:57:06 am
content: The service manuals Tektronix has been producing for the last 20 years (or more) only cover adjustments and taking the instrument apart to replace modules. I'm sure Rigol has repair manuals for their equipment but they are probably for internal use only.

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2013, 10:48:59 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on March 09, 2013, 12:57:06 amThe service manuals from HP/Agilent and LeCroy (can't remember the last time I read a Tek SM) usually contain not only a thorough description how the device works internally, they also come with component lists so when something goes up in smoke there's a way to find out what it was without having to disassemble another unit. LeCroy even goes as far as including full schematics of all PCBs, including the PSU. Again, all accompanied by extensive components lists.QuoteI'm not so sure about that. Rigol certainly has schematics but somehow I doubt they have proper service manuals, especially considering that they have no real support network to speak off.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 09, 2013, 11:30:24 am
content: Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on March 09, 2013, 10:48:59 amIs this true for recent designs? Old Tek service manuals also had excellent service manuals. The service manual for the Agilent DSO-X 2000/3000 series only contain performance verification, calibration and module level troubleshooting information. No theory of operation or any component level information.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2013, 12:32:56 pm
content: Maybe Rigol had to deliver something to Agilent when Agilent started to sell Rigol oscilloscopes under their own brand. But on the other hand, the stuff is so cheap, why describe detailed repair procedures? A simple pictogram how to correctly throw the thing in the trash might be enough.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2013, 01:17:55 pm
content: A company that grinds the part numbers off its chips is very unlikely to give you a schematic.

author: s_lannan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2013, 12:37:58 am
content: Do they even have service agents in countries other than China? If there was a service manual, would it be in a language other than Chinese?

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2013, 01:52:52 am
content: Quote from: s_lannan on March 10, 2013, 12:37:58 amRigol now has a few persons in Europe. Not many. The initial announcement back then talked about one technician for the whole of Europe. It didn't say if the technician was supposed to do repairs or only application-level support.Maybe they now have more than one technician. At least in the past Rigol Europe must have been extremely short of people. Mike reported he had to wait for the shipment of a Rigol instrument, because the warehouse guy at Rigol Europe was on holiday.Rigol has a distributor in the US, making a big fuss about their service. It is anyone's guess if and to what level they do repairs.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2013, 02:31:18 am
content: Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on March 09, 2013, 10:48:59 amYou'd better download some more recent Agilent service manuals. Its module level if you are lucky:http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/54139-97014.pdfhttp://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/54709-97013.pdfQuoteYou keep repeating that... If you buy it from a local Rigol seller (which aren't hard to find) then that is where the support comes from. Let them talk to the Chinese.

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2013, 09:43:52 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on March 10, 2013, 02:31:18 amWell, the first one if for the dreadful Rigol 1000 Series scopes that Agilent has relabelled, so well done for picking a 'service manual' for an item made by the company that has been criticized for the lack of proper service manuals. Since all it does is to say that if there are problems with the scope then send it in for repair it's exactly the level of guidance I'd expect from companies like Rigol.And the one for the DSO-X4000 (which has actually been developed by Agilent) may not contain extensive components list or be as detailed as for older gear but it still contains board drawings and test/adjustment and failure localisation procedures, which, considering that this is a low end scope with a single highly integrated PCB (with many components you can't buy individually anyways), means the manual still contains lots of useful information for trouble shooting.It's clear that, with higher integration, there will be less things that can be fixed without access to special tools and components. But there's still a difference between at least giving some flow charts and test procedures to isolate where a fault might be located than spending several pages without actual technical content just to say 'if broken send it in for repair'. So you've actually proven my point (that the manuals from the big names like Agilent are much more useful than what comes out from Chinese vendors like Rigol).QuoteSo your local Rigol seller actually fixes your scope (of course he has all the equipment, doesn't he?), writes new firmware or produces proper documentation? Certainly not.And this aside from the fact that your reseller may not be there any more in a month or two (especially in today's economical climate that's far from impossible). And then?You keep on banging about your Rigol seller but quite frankly, if you believe that this equates proper manufacturer support then I'm sorry but you're delusional.

author: ted572
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2014, 10:15:44 pm
content: Here you will find some Rigol Service Manuals. Get them now before they are gone!DM3051,2,4; 3061,2,4 Series Service Guide:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CF4QFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.produktinfo.conrad.com%2Fdatenblaetter%2F100000-124999%2F123957-an-01-en-ServiceGuide_RIGOL_DM3051.pdf&ei=-phNU__VOtSosQSWnYG4DQ&usg=AFQjCNGd3FqpAfrmVXCuTmgOfN03OnwRLQ&bvm=bv.64764171,d.cWcDM3058 Service Guide:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigol.com%2Fdownload%2FOversea%2FDMM%2FServiceGuide%2FDM3058_ServiceGuide_EN.pdf&ei=ZZZNU7fxJqTJsQSe_YC4BQ&usg=AFQjCNGAkMteojPEsviFddVcqgr_qoPTnw&bvm=bv.64764171,d.cWcRigol DM3068 Service Guide:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigol.com%2Fdownload%2FOversea%2FDMM%2FServiceGuide%2FDM3068_ServiceGuide_EN.pdf&ei=-phNU__VOtSosQSWnYG4DQ&usg=AFQjCNEaoMvO2uKGItgAwuemAm0EdkiKcQ&bvm=bv.64764171,d.cWcDS1000D,E Series Service Guide:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mikrocontroller.net%2Fattachment%2F112136%2FService_Guide_DS1000E.pdf&ei=Aq5NU57CIPTMsQSv4YGQBQ&usg=AFQjCNEr2Tkmg5DjDzHhslv1nkpFicqHcA&bvm=bv.64764171,d.cWcDS4000 Service Manual:http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CFkQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Frigol.avotronics.co.uk%2Fdownload%2FDS4000%2FDocuments%2FDS4000%2520Service%2520Manual.pdf&ei=-phNU__VOtSosQSWnYG4DQ&usg=AFQjCNGG8ND58T0FzzACkVUaMCEQ6eF6tg&bvm=bv.64764171,d.cWcCheers, Ted572

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 16, 2014, 12:51:19 am
content: You might want to edit those google infested urls and replace them with the actual urls.Example for your first link:http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/100000-124999/123957-an-01-en-ServiceGuide_RIGOL_DM3051.pdfAs for get them while they're gone, if that is a concern you can download them and add them as an attachement to your post.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 16, 2014, 01:00:13 am
content: Might as well paste those urls here myself ...http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/100000-124999/123957-an-01-en-ServiceGuide_RIGOL_DM3051.pdfhttp://www.rigol.com/download/Oversea/DMM/ServiceGuide/DM3058_ServiceGuide_EN.pdfhttp://www.rigol.com/download/Oversea/DMM/ServiceGuide/DM3068_ServiceGuide_EN.pdfhttp://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/112136/Service_Guide_DS1000E.pdfhttp://rigol.avotronics.co.uk/download/DS4000/Documents/DS4000%20Service%20Manual.pdfGrabbed them for future reference. Thanks.

author: edavid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 16, 2014, 01:02:03 am
content: Quote from: mrflibble on April 16, 2014, 12:51:19 amThis Firefox extension is helpful:https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search-link-fix/

author: AndersAnd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 16, 2014, 07:47:29 am
content: These Rigol Service Guides are also hosted at the website of EEVblog memberve7xen:http://gotroot.ca/rigol/service%20manuals/Quote

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 16, 2014, 12:28:08 pm
content: As expected, not much more than how to take it apart and perform basic tests.