Time-of-day not set - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: PerranOak
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2018, 03:00:05 pm
content: Occasionally, I get this error on my Dell Inspiron (less than 1yr old):Time-of-day not set - please run SETUP programmeInvalid configuration - please run SETUP programmeI just click continue and it boots-up (Win10 Pro) fine except that the clock shows the date/time of when I last turned it off. Then the clock updates over the web and all seems ok.WTF!?

author: Twoflower
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2018, 03:03:01 pm
content: Probably the RTC battery is dead. Usually that's some coin cell or shrink-wrapped battery with a short cable. If it can be replaced by the end user highly depends on the specific laptop model.

author: PerranOak
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2018, 03:31:09 pm
content: Oh right, thanks.It's a desktop but is still under guarantee; I wonder if I replace the battery will this invalidate it.I'd rather replace it myself than have all the call-out fuss.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2018, 03:41:05 pm
content: I doubt it will invalidate it, unless the warranty specifically bars against opening up the case.CR2032s (the most commonly used RTC battery in modern PC compatibles) tend to last a good 10-15 years in the average motherboard, so it shouldn't be giving out, but maybe it's a bad battery, or just not making good contact.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2018, 04:33:34 pm
content: No warranty will be void if you replace the clock battery. It's a consumable item.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2018, 04:40:39 pm
content: Might be a bad motherboard if you're leaving the PC plugged in when it's off - the clock battery should not have to do anything whenever the standby rail is active.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 17, 2018, 12:35:56 am
content: Quote from: tom66 on December 16, 2018, 04:33:34 pm+1 to this. It would be reasonable for a user to replace an RTC battery (provided they know what they are doing) and not have it affect the warranty. It's not hard, just replace it with the same type, most likely a a CR2023 lithium cell.Even upgrading a machine (adding more RAM, installing an I/O card) would not invalidate manufacturer warranty and even if they claim that it did, its likely to be in breach of consumer laws in your country.If a replacement battery doesn't fix the issue, check to see if there is a BIOS update for your machine, it may be a known issue. Alternatively it could be a problem with the RTC itself or the motherboard.

author: tsman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2018, 12:43:53 am
content: It sounds faulty to me. The RTC battery shouldn't go flat in less than a year. Tell Dell tech support and see what they say about this. If you want to check the battery yourself first then search for the service manual for your specific model/year of your laptop. Dell publishes them on their website.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2018, 02:22:14 am
content: I did once encounter a motherboard that had a failed isolation diode which was draining the RTC battery. If not that then the battery was defective to begin with, a new one should last several years at least.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 17, 2018, 03:47:32 am
content: Quote from: tsman on December 17, 2018, 12:43:53 amThe machine/motherboard might be new but there is no telling how long that Lithium battery has been sitting on a shelf. Whilst they have low self-discharge rates, it might not have been "fresh" to begin with. The battery could be faulty as well.I would recommend the OP test the battery that came out of it with a multimeter and a small load (such as a 100Ω resistor). Anything under 3 volts it starting to get on the low side although depending on the BIOS/RTC, some will retain settings down to 2 volts. If the cell is still good, it might indicate a fault with the motherboard.

author: tsman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2018, 12:42:11 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 17, 2018, 03:47:32 amThat doesn't sound too likely to me. The Lithium coin cells are guaranteed to have a minimum shelf life of at least 7 years by the various manufacturers so it would have had to be sat unused on the shelf for far longer than that. Dell will be using millions of these every year as well. Some kind of fault with the battery or the motherboard is far more likely IMO.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2018, 02:22:32 pm
content: Pretty easy for the monkey putting the battery in to have a bad day, or the little ceramic capacitor across it has high leakage current, making it go flat fast.

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 17, 2018, 02:26:28 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on December 17, 2018, 02:22:32 pmWould a Thermal Camera spot it? Or you need do desolder all of them?

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2018, 12:43:14 am
content: No way, not unless there was a direct short. We are talking tiny currents here, what you want to do is measure current draw between the battery and holder. It should barely register if at all on an ordinary multimeter.

author: PerranOak
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2019, 10:36:46 am
content: Thanks all. It turned out that the battery in my brain was flat too!My guarantee had expired about a week before this error!Anyway, nothing to lose now so I opened it up (remarkably easy, I thought) and replaced the battery.All is well now! Thank you very much.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 07, 2019, 01:31:37 am
content: Quote from: PerranOak on January 06, 2019, 10:36:46 amThat tends to happen to many of us - especially around this time of year.QuoteTypical.QuoteA lot less trouble than chasing a guarantee....