Tablet osciloscope tBook operation introduction - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 08:22:41 am
content: Hello everyone. I come back again.Today, I decide to do a simple and long thing is that i will post the tablet oscilloscope operation here oftenly since today.We are very sorry that we do not have full user manual to our friends right now, because every detail of tablet oscilloscope is done by Micsig. No Copy in our tablet oscilloscope!I am very sorry that if there are some mistakes of English in my following posters, and it is highly appreciated that you can help me to find my mistakes.Warmly welcome to visit our website, we need your support.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 08:27:16 am
content: JUST One step to control all channel setting in tabelt oscillsocope tBook. Abandon all plastic buttons forever!

author: nidlaX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 10:58:21 am
content: Just send Dave a review unit and be done with it.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 12:31:27 pm
content: I second that. Send one to Dave and have him review it! Many people are not trusting Chinese test equipment due to many software bugs and missing features. Without a review nobody is going to buy that oscilloscope!

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 02:30:00 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 11, 2015, 12:31:27 pmNot to mention he will give you honest and useful feedback.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 02:12:08 am
content: Quote from: nidlaX on August 11, 2015, 10:58:21 amThanks for your suggestion.We will send not only one unit to let DAve to review. please give me some time. thanks. we need to do every detail by ourslef. and there is no any copy for ours.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 02:14:16 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on August 11, 2015, 02:30:00 pmcan you tell me why?

author: dadler
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 03:28:00 am
content: I'm not sure if you are saying you /will/ send one to Dave, or /will not/ send one to Dave.Many of us have seen your products on various distributor sites, but are not going to gamble on such an expensive product.Sending a product to Dave is nearly free advertising. If your product is good, this publicity will net you many, many sales and much profit.Not doing so leads me to believe that you do not have faith in your own products, as you may not consider them suitable to objective 3rd party analysis.Use this forum/channel and its immense reach to your benefit, and send a product in for review. Else, none of us will be purchasing any of your products.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 06:36:16 am
content: Quote from: dadler on August 12, 2015, 03:28:00 amExactly. I'm currently looking for a compact oscilloscope and the Micsig tablet scope is interesting but being burned badly by another Chinese manufacturer I'm not going to risk my money again. Getting the tablet scope reviewed by Dave is essential to get sales going for a product like this.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 06:47:56 am
content: Quote from: Micsig on August 12, 2015, 02:14:16 amCan you tell us why you're posting in this forum if you've never watched one of Dave's videos?(I assume you never watched one or you wouldn't be asking that question).

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 06:57:35 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on August 12, 2015, 06:47:56 amI think watching youtube is restricted in China.@Micsigeevblog (Dave Jones) is a well known presenter/reviewer of test equipment. Many manufacturers send equipment for him to review and test.

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 07:38:40 am
content: Dave also has mp4 links available for download. You don't have to watch them on Youtube.Unless China restricts downloading mp4 video too. Then they just need to be zipped, rar'ed, renamed, split up into chunks, whatever... stupid restrictions can always be bypassed somehow

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 09:07:03 am
content: Quote from: pickle9000 on August 12, 2015, 06:57:35 amHe has 30-60 minutes long, sometimes even longer review videos of test equipment, including opening it, looking at design decisions. Pointing out mistakes, dangerous solutions.If you are reluctant to send him one, contact him, probably you can arrange a deal that you send him the scope, he reviews it, opens it, and sends it back. We get entertainment, you get advertisement, Dave got material for the videos. Everybody wins.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 10:56:14 am
content: Slide UP/DOWN to close/open the meun.you can find all operation in half one min.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 10:57:55 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 11, 2015, 12:31:27 pmWe admit that we make a mistake to publich our roadmap so eariler.Now, we declaim that all spec what we write in our book is what we can do.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 11:00:20 am
content: Quote from: dadler on August 12, 2015, 03:28:00 amMicsig and tablet oscilloscope are new to everyone. we will try our best to let your trust us. we belive that David will give us a full feedbacks. thanks again.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 11:02:31 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 12, 2015, 06:36:16 amCan you kindly tell me why you said another Chinese manfacturer burned it? is there other company to do it?We are the innovator, only we have the technology and capacity to do it.When you sell the following contents which i post, you will find. thanks.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 11:03:33 am
content: Quote from: Fungus on August 12, 2015, 06:47:56 amsorry, my poor misunderstanding about not mention to.....

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 11:04:49 am
content: Quote from: pickle9000 on August 12, 2015, 06:57:35 amthanks.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 11:06:22 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on August 12, 2015, 09:07:03 amthank again for you good marketing activitiy proposal.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 11:07:26 am
content: We adjust price for some models, please contact your neast distributors...

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 09:56:01 am
content: One Finger to MOVE WAVEFORM SO COVENIENTLY.UP DOWN, LEFT RIGHT.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 10:58:22 am
content: Dear Micsig, posting this very basic information in such small chunks may not be the best approach for this forum. This is a rather technology-savvy audience, and everybody who is interested in your scopes has access to the marketing information on the product web page (http://www.micsig.com/en/product_detail.asp?id=24).Personally, I would prefer more technical detail, actual test results, and certainly would appreciate an independent test by Dave.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 05:07:10 pm
content: MicsigIf you are working on or have a manual post it that would be most interesting.

author: eas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 06:33:34 pm
content: Quote from: Micsig on August 13, 2015, 09:56:01 amThis isn't twitter, or Tumblr, for that matter. A good social media strategy uses different tactics for different mediums and audiences.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 08:57:56 am
content: Quote from: eas on August 13, 2015, 06:33:34 pmTotally aggree with you.We open a facebook, but it is limited in China to loggin, so we need to think a way to do it in a special time.The reason why I post here because I?know some may be not image how to use an oscilloscope without knob and button. so I hope to tell you some methods, then they can understand. They will like this way after some time. and I will closed this post one month, because i know this is not technology spec.

author: TheBay
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 10:27:29 am
content: Send a unit to Dave, if the product is good then this is the best free publicity you will get.There are a lot of members on here and the videos are watched by thousands, if not more

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 11:39:28 am
content: Quote from: Micsig on August 14, 2015, 08:57:56 amIf you want to show how to use your scope then produce a video showing these things, put it on Youtube and publish the link here. There's no point in going through "swipe left, swipe up" kind of steps in individual posts, especially if all you can show are some rendered graphics and not even an image of the real product.Plus, in this day and age most people will for sure have some experience with touchscreen devices, and may very well understand how to use a scope without knob and button. This is even more true for people who have access to a somewhat modern high end scope as many of them already can also be used solely by touch (leaving knobs and buttons aside), so this concept isn't as new as you might believe.If you continue to post small pieces of information of doubtful value to show some basic thing on a fake picture then all you'll do is making sure people will lose interest in your scope.

author: NoItAint
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 04:49:31 pm
content: This is a tablet?It's kind of a big clunky thing that isn't much smaller than other touch screen oscilloscopesWhy not make a docking station for existing android tablets? This could lower the price as people may get a real tablet for other reasons.Usability requests:Move those probe connectors from the side to the front.Add some rotary encoders or extra USB ports so MIDI controllers could be used.But what do I know?

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 08:04:04 pm
content: Quote from: NoItAint on August 14, 2015, 04:49:31 pmYou're right, that's not a tablet form factor, that's a brick.The other thing I noticed is that the hefty rear end looks like it's made from silver-ish painted plastics which looks cheap and is highly sensitive to scratching (and the bright paint makes sure that scratches are immediately visible). It's probably the worst way to design the rear end of a test instrument.The UI looks ok, but is very sparse on information. Measurements are pretty basic, too. I understand that this thing isn't exactly cheap, but aside from the "glossy touchscreen" novelty factor (well, there's a reason why most test equipment doesn't come with glossy surfaces!) it looks pretty basic feature-wise.QuoteThat's actually a very good idea. A flat docking station with the connectors on the front and which can take up some of the common Android tablets, plus a scope app, and it could be a winner for some hobbyists if priced modestly.Well, it's not a tablet but it could find some use as a portable scope, although it's pretty expensive and looks like it's not really build solidly enough to survive being used on the road.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 06:02:42 am
content: Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on August 14, 2015, 11:39:28 amThanks. we are making youtube and facebook. but you know, in China.. it is slow and restricted. but we will think a way.here i post the operation way, one important thing is that we hope we can get more suggestions which engineers will like. because we used the button and knob before.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 18, 2015, 11:19:35 am
content: Zoom in/out So easy, So fast, So comfortable.

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 18, 2015, 11:54:36 am
content: Quote from: Micsig on August 18, 2015, 11:19:35 amNot really. Comfortable is how it's done on other scopes with touch screen where zoom is done by swiping over the segment that you want to zoom in which gives you exactly the segment you want to see.Now on this "tablet" scope you have a nice big touch screen but instead of proper touch gestures you still have to rely on old-fashioned mouse controls (double-click, which I guess will give you a zoom with fixed steps) and separate on-screen buttons (again. fixed steps) which isn't really any better than the standard knobs and buttons on other scopes.Touch controls on scopes aren't new, in fact they exist for at least 15 years, and what you've shown so far (which admittedly isn't much) didn't show much new stuff, aside from your scope being in a somewhat tablet-like form factor with no physical knobs or buttons.

author: nidlaX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2015, 09:13:51 am
content: Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on August 18, 2015, 11:54:36 amI think you make a good point. The dilemma for them is between preserving the user experience of a traditional scope and trying to translate it to the tablet format, or innovating on the user interface and applying the gesture controls you're used to seeing on mobile devices. My advice to them is to allow both UI paradigms to coexist and give the user options to toggle between different methods. I think this should definitely be an easy thing for them to implement considering the fact that gesture controls were already implemented on their previous firmware revision.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2015, 09:36:09 am
content: Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on August 18, 2015, 11:54:36 amyou like this.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2015, 09:37:03 am
content: Quote from: nidlaX on August 21, 2015, 09:13:51 amthanks.

author: Mark_O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2015, 04:43:01 pm
content: Quote from: codeboy2k on August 12, 2015, 07:38:40 amThey don't. Most major US blockbuster movies are available in MP4 format there, within a few days of their premieres. Which has sadly killed the once-thriving $1 knock-off DVD business, since no one there buys discs anymore.

author: Micsig
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2015, 09:32:06 am
content: Trigger swith in one Finger...

author: Mark_O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 12:35:48 am
content: Quote from: Micsig on August 28, 2015, 09:32:06 amCongratulations!By continuing to post these useless one-picture snapshots, and constantly waking up this thread with no content, you have convinced my to turn Notifies off on an item I had some interest in.Well done!And goodbye.

author: nidlaX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 02:02:30 am
content: Quote from: Mark_O on August 29, 2015, 12:35:48 amHeh, it's a little difficult to convince them not to use this forum the way you might use Weibo, Twitter, or Facebook. It seems that there's typically quite a big gap to bridge with regards to marketing technique and experience for many budding Chinese companies.I'm trying to convince them to do a more thorough introduction of one the tBook models with proper English and demos we care about.

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 09:29:46 am
content: Quote from: nidlaX on August 29, 2015, 02:02:30 amMaybe, but frankly, it's not rocket science to look at the typical conversations that are going on in a forum to find out how to post appropriately instead of just offloading some social media crap lines without any appreciation for its appropriateness.QuoteFrankly,, if a company can't get such very basic rules of marketing right then I would question if they should be even in business. I mean, seriously, it shouldn't need explaining that aggravating potential customers of your new device is a pretty stupid thing, or that a properly prepared demo is essential these days, and even if you have no idea there are enough live examples to learn from.