[USA] LeCroy waveRunner 64Xi-A-N BIN $1500 Ebay - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 13, 2019, 09:26:09 am
content: https://www.ebay.com/itm/392477814804?No affiliation

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 05:13:16 pm
content: This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available

author: DaJMasta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 06:35:38 pm
content: Which means someone made an offer through a message when a bid wasn't placed and requested it, so it was bought for less than BIN price.I sort of wish ebay didn't do this, as it forces you to bid to prevent people from sniping it with an offer, but it seems to be relatively common.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 07:00:19 pm
content: QuoteHorrors! Someone willing to pay more than you gets it - should be a law against that

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 07:13:31 pm
content: however many bidders, if someone bid higher than you, you lose. if another guy click that BIN button, its gone. what so big deal? now go sneak those 20GSps scope i'm sure there's (or will) better deal somewhere...

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 07:54:57 pm
content: As a buyer I love making offers to find what someone really wants. I typically message them and they send me an offer much lower than buy it now or starting bid. Unless they allowed offers normally then I obviously go that route. Here on eevblog sales though I usually give people what they ask if I have a use for it.

author: DaJMasta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 08:07:41 pm
content: My complaint is that there are options for offers on basically all of ebay's selling options, so trying to circumvent other style listings to make offers work doesn't feel above board to me. I do know it's a way to make a nice purchase in some cases, but when you can add a "or best offer" setting to every listing type and the seller doesn't, I think especially when they have a buyout option, making an offer seems like an attempt to cut in line to me.Sort of semantics, and it's probably more like buying from a local vendor this way, since there's usually a way to wheel and deal. Anyways, even at $1500 it's probably a good scope for the price, I think someone got a nice deal. And yes, if they do cancel it would show up like this too, but as mentioned it effects seller rating as it should.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 08:25:10 pm
content: Quote from: DaJMasta on October 14, 2019, 06:35:38 pmWho cares. Just be the first to make a sensible offer the buyer is willing to accept. The local second hand trading website in the NL also has a non-binding bidding option. I never bid on an item; I always contact the seller and make a deal through e-mail. Sometimes the seller tries to make the price go higher by claiming he/she has a higher bid when I'm there to inspect/pick up the item. My simple response is: 'I'm here with cash in my pocket and this is the price I want to pay. Get rid of it now or take a chance with someone who might have bid on the item for fun.'. 9 out of 10 times I get the item for the price I want to pay.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 08:43:05 pm
content: Quote from: DaJMasta on October 14, 2019, 08:07:41 pmAt least in my case the deal still goes through eBay. The sellers just send me the eBay offer and I accept and it shows up like it sold normally. I don't trust people on eBay enough to make a deal completely outside of the platform.

author: DaJMasta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 08:44:47 pm
content: Well it wasn't that anyways, by the description the guy just needs to sell it fast.No affiliation, but if it's legit and working, it's real cheap now:https://www.ebay.com/itm/Oscilloscope-LeCroy-waveRunner-64Xi-A-N-600MHz-read-description/392480467073$950 + shippingMy point is that ebay has a whole slew of rules to make it act like an official auction and not like people just selling stuff to someone at a flea market or listing it in half a dozen places, and this system being easy goes against that. It's inconsistent and misleading, and if people wanted offers to be an option, they can very easily, and at no extra cost, add that feature to their listing. Allowing offers in auctions that that don't use the feature just means it doesn't mean anything as a feature. Like I said, it's a niggle and not a big complaint, I get that plenty of people make offers on non-offer listings and that if you want to get a good price in a reasonable amount of time it is one of the better ways of doing it.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2019, 11:27:40 pm
content: Quote from: DaJMasta on October 14, 2019, 08:44:47 pmhe teased people to pay outside ebay? and i think its the paypal who holds the money (paypal protection) not ebay, so he also can give this as an excuse to buyer to pay in cash. i would not deal outside ebay/paypal in any way, better pay more in ebay (or paypal, they are the same protection) rather than losing cheaper price in the air ($950 is not cheap if getting nothing). if someone report him to ebay, i think ebay can take the ad down it goes against ebay rule to direct people buying outside their platform, iirc some listing before got removed due to providing external web link (personal store) in the listing description. but with recent "bidders' info got exposed to seller" issue, and then seller can send personal emails to buyers linking to their personal store defeat the purposeif that seller in real quick need for the money, he can accept ebay/paypal payment and then the money got hold up in a month, in the mean time he can borrow money from any local money lender just to be paid next month. he can add whatever interest percentage into the dso price and my guess its still cheap and anyone will grab it soon. but teasing people to deal outside ebay, will make potential but experienced members to go away. only waiting for young players as a prey. but its maybe possible to be legit, but its also fishy. he has no buyer feedback. i will only deal with this kind of deal if i have access to him (or COD).

author: DaJMasta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 12:35:12 am
content: FWIW, it was my assumption that it was sold through an ebay message or another service and was taken down because of it, that isn't necessarily what happened - I'm not partial to the information, I just made an assumption based on previous experience. Not trying to call the seller for shady dealings, though it's my opinion that including a story like that in the description does not make it seem more legit.

author: thmjpr
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 02:50:59 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on October 14, 2019, 11:27:40 pmYeah no reason to buy this outside of ebay, if in ebay your almost certainly going to be safe (just document everything).For my ebay sales they've held the money until item was delivered plus a few days. So he could offer next day shipment, and maybe if buyer left a quick positive review it would speed things up a bit?No probes adds a bit to the suspiciousness.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 03:31:05 am
content: Quote from: thmjpr on October 15, 2019, 02:50:59 amprobably the better probes bundled with it are used/recycled to the other scope. most used dso advertised with no probe, the unit that comes with them will not priced nicely. actually adding probes to that cheap price will add fishiness more..

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 03:43:16 am
content: Quote from: DaJMasta on October 15, 2019, 12:35:12 amThat was how I scored my 87V for lower price. He had a 150$ initial, someone outbid me by 20$ on the 160$ mark, so 180$ and I offer the guy 200$ plus shipping. Lower that the other 10s of auctions and buy it now starting for 340$ min to 450$ new. It was higher than the lowest bit, seller was happy and I was happy because I paid less than the second lowest one being sold, in the same condition.tion based on previous experience. Not trying to call the seller for shady dealings, though it's my opinion that including a story like that in the description does not make it seem more legit.It's bad to other bidders, some sellers don't accept that, even ending a listing early if you offer them a deal, but others just want to get rid of the equipment. I don't care how they got it, it's not my problem. Although I take measures to know if the equipment was stolen if possible. I pick up the Fluke Serial No and confirm with Fluke and the equipment itself was never registered on a customer name, having been sold to a shop directly from Fluke for sale. So Manufacture to Distributor to Seller. The equipment is clean by Fluke Standards, and now registered in my name.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 10:16:41 am
content: Quote from: DaJMasta on October 15, 2019, 12:35:12 amThe guy double listed it. One as a auction style with BIN, the other just as BIN a number of hours later. The BIN was for $900, so I couldn't resist. I bought and paid for it.Then the guy went nutso sending me messages: (there were more, but I won't bother posting them)QuoteAndQuoteMy response: "I already paid. And if I hadn't, there's no way that's happening!"EDIT: One more:QuoteThe little weasel canceled my purchase and relisted it with "I prefer paypal, friend to friend, as the ebay route holds the payment until it gets delivered, which is to late. Message me with questions and concerns. Could really use the help from other fellow Engineers, scientist, enthusiast and people who know what an O-scope is!!"I reported him to Ebay as he was trying to circumvent paying through Ebay. Before they had a chance to take action it sold for $950.I guess the next buyer has got the same shit from him as he's just re-listed it again!https://www.ebay.com/itm/392481484553?Buyer beware!

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 12:05:07 pm
content: And another unfortunate soul takes the bait. I wonder how long till it's re-listed again?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 01:32:27 pm
content: a noob trying to learn social engineering therei'm sorry for his G-Pa though that he has to go in one way or another..

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 02:53:13 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on October 15, 2019, 01:32:27 pmNot so sure I believe his story.He's supposed to "be on the road" by now...Listed again!https://www.ebay.com/itm/392481792575?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 03:39:30 pm
content: It must suck being a scam artist and being that bad at it. Maybe we all need to repeatedly "buy" his offerings with dummy accounts.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 04:17:56 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on October 15, 2019, 03:39:30 pmI wonder if he knows that on canceled transactions, Paypal stopped refunding fees back in May 2019?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 04:24:37 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on October 15, 2019, 04:17:56 pmI guess he'll find out if he doesn't.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 04:27:22 pm
content: I just noticed something on his original messages to me.QuoteThenQuoteJeez, at least get your story straight!

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 04:39:32 pm
content: Maybe he needs to drive to the airport. Give the guy a break, his gramps is suffering.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 05:11:30 pm
content: The last time one of my grandparents died their kids were there and they didn't really need anyone there to die anyway. I reported his listing I don't trust him.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 06:13:38 pm
content: Quote from: maginnovision on October 15, 2019, 05:11:30 pmDamn. I'd rather he keep losing the Paypal fees.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 06:19:47 pm
content: Yea, but eventually someone might actually do what he wants and get no scope in return.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 06:58:57 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on October 15, 2019, 06:13:38 pmor collecting -ve feedback strikes from people, like you just did? i thought we will not be able to give feedback once the deal is cancelled, and i didnt know about the paypal non-refundable fee. but since i played straight i didnt have to involve myself with such a mess. he can hold the deal forever you know, so is your credit, until you raise to a dispute (14 days expiry) of non-received item and another days for raise to a claim, or until the protection is expired (if you forget to raise dispute) and your credit/money belong to him to withdraw freely.i experienced this before (claim process) and its unfortunate that i currently have 3 open cases in paypal for non received items, one from germany, 2 from china, + another one from our local shop, due to not as described item, i have to repack it (after few days of waiting for seller's reply acceptance of return), consumed some of my resources (tapes) and wasted time and got it returned at my own cost at the nearest courier office just today. which on each case of non received item can take more than a month cycle from payment to credit refunded to my card, before i can reuse it for another purchase, if i hit my credit limit, i have to wait until the process completed or top it up at nearest ATM if i have to make it quick. a time wasting process, i'd rather leave the scammer alone or if i care about others, i'll simply report him to ebay.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 08:30:38 pm
content: Quote from: thmjpr on October 15, 2019, 02:50:59 amThat is nonsense. I never sell probes with a scope because probes are a consumable like underwear. I don't want anyone else's probes just like I don't want anyone else's underwear.

author: mairo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2019, 11:54:59 pm
content: If it pops up again I will change my eBay address to be close to him and ask if pick up and money on pick up is OK, since he wants the money fast no reason to say no.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2019, 01:38:19 am
content: thats the spirit, he will see your address only when you paidjust do reverse social engineering on him, just say you are on the same neighboorhood visiting G-ma in law of the in law 5 level downer the line, and ask where he is now and you will pick the thing up yourself, money is on the spot.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2019, 06:46:38 am
content: Did anyone do an image search on the pictures used with the Ebay listing?

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2019, 07:20:29 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on October 16, 2019, 06:46:38 amI did yesterday and the images don't give other search results other than the one on eBay. But that doesn't mean if its not a duplicate from other very old listings, since the search results only register the current listing, and for what it looks like the original listing was deleted and uploaded again lots of times already. So instead of giving a search result of 3 or more listings (from the links I count on this topic alone), it only registers the current active one.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2019, 09:02:58 am
content: The photos show the scope displaying a current timestamp anyway, so if they are copies they are copies of two-day-old originals

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2019, 09:05:33 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on October 15, 2019, 08:30:38 pmweird fetish but ok.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2019, 09:38:21 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on October 16, 2019, 09:05:33 pmWhat is weird about not wanting other people's junk?Probes are subject to wear (bad contact, broken wires, etc).

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2019, 11:28:29 pm
content: why dont analogize the dso as the underwear? or a "sex object", how many times she has been "plugged in"? do you still want her? are the internals still water tight? etc. i have few used active probes bought.. kinda weird to think what kind of active underwear they are?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2019, 10:09:29 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on October 16, 2019, 11:28:29 pmJust think of probes as tyres on a car and (if all goes well) you get my point.

author: Old Printer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2019, 03:43:42 pm
content: As soon as a seller mentions anything personal, my bullshit meter goes off the scale. There is only one reason they want you to drop your trousers.