The Ugliest Car Ever - Page 1
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author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 10:19:22 pm
content: An anti-thread to the other one ...AMC Gremlin-

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 10:40:50 pm
content: Edsel:

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2017, 11:33:13 pm
content: Mitsubishi Pajero Sport

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 12:11:44 am
content: Pontiac Aztec:Ugliest car of all time.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 12:46:05 am
content: Oh b_force I think you just outdid us all!

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 12:58:11 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on September 11, 2017, 12:11:44 amA few years ago I heard a discussion on the radio about classic cars and one person asked the expert what "new" cars would become a classic. He said the Aztek !

author: b_force
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 01:15:41 am
content: Quote from: xrunner on September 11, 2017, 12:46:05 amThe bad part, they were pretty popular at some point.Inside they are pretty comfy, but they drive like a wet piece of newspaper (we would say).You just feel 30 years older.The outside, brrrrrrr, shivers down my spine, the horror.

author: VK5RC
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 01:52:44 am
content: An Aussie love/hate classic was the Leyland P76, it's claim to fame was you could put a 44 gallon drum in the boot. To date I haven't had to do that yet with a car.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 05:44:29 am
content: Quote from: VK5RC on September 11, 2017, 01:52:44 amMe either.At my first full-time job, somebody had one and they locked their keys inside. I was asked if I could help open it - so I said I'll have a look. Turns out it was the easiest exercise I'd ever tried. The gap between the body and door was so great you could almost get your hand through.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 08:00:14 am
content: I nominate the Airflow Chrysler:-https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/1934-chrysler-airflow-27229Of course, Chrysler proved in recent years that they can still make ugly cars:-https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Nitro

author: Gary.M
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 08:19:43 am
content: Quote from: b_force on September 11, 2017, 12:38:09 amBeautiful! Seriously. This will become a classic.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 08:21:18 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on September 10, 2017, 11:33:13 pmYou might not like the styling, but it doesn't have that "bits of several cars, randomly stuck together" quality of the truly awful.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 08:37:16 am
content: Quote from: VK5RC on September 11, 2017, 01:52:44 amThey were popular in New Zealand, as you could put two spare sheep in the boot.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 08:42:09 am
content: Quote from: coppice on September 11, 2017, 08:21:18 amYou are quite right. It's just every time I see one, it makes me cringe. I don't know how anyone can look at one and think "oh gee, that looks great". Subaru's make me cringe too but I think it's more to do with the people that tend to be behind the wheel than anything else.As for the "randomly stuck together", there are large amounts of those cheap, Chinese brands popping up here now. Great Wall, Chery, SAIC and Foton are probably among the more common ones. They aren't necessarily ugly, just generally very plain and generic looking. You can really tell the manufacturers have just rummaged through any old parts bin and slapped it together. I drove a Chery once, never again. It takes tinny, rattly and unsafe to a whole new level.Apart from the Pajero sport, the next ugliest car on Australian roads at the moment would probably have to be the Nissan Juke. It's just so "bulbous" in all the wrong ways.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 08:48:49 am
content: There is a better version for elderly people.Quote

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 08:53:28 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 11, 2017, 08:48:49 amAwful mental image there, but I think that was the intent!Great story though. Clearly the guys at Top Gear put much more thought into that car than Fiat did.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 09:06:14 am
content: Gremlins were actually fairly popular when I was growing up back in the late 70s/early 80s.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 09:21:51 am
content: Better dig up some butt ugly automobiles from an alternate universe,b_force is THE clear winner here so farImagine that steel and plastic pancake in your driveway,wondering why the suss neighbours are always smiling...

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 09:22:43 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on September 11, 2017, 09:21:51 amAgreed. He wins the Internet this week.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 09:32:46 am
content: Nissan Cube

author: poorchava
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 09:37:21 am
content: Well, my 2 candidates were already posted: Fiat Multipla and Nissan Cube. Cant; decide which is worse though....

author: Moshly
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 09:42:19 am
content: My vote goes to 'Chrysler PT Cruiser'

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 09:50:05 am
content: Here's a couple of stomach churners.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 09:54:54 am
content: And when your car is SO ugly...

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 10:10:56 am
content: Why do new millenium car designers whip up such eye sores, and totally disregard cool past designsYou can't beat a classic

author: BBBbbb
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 10:24:43 am
content: Multipla is one of the ugliest on the outside but quite specious and comfortable on the inside for a mom/city car.My entry is the Evoque convertible. Not so ugly from the esthetic viewpoint, but it's impracticality trumps all.Second row of seats is unusable, which is common with convertibles, but it's not even a hard top. Being an SUV means it doesn't grip to the road well, so you basically got the worst of both worlds - SUVs and convertibles.Not to forget the hefty price tag.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 10:39:51 am
content: There is also theFord Ka.

author: japasetelagoas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 10:45:16 am
content: Let us not forget the horrendous rear design on the Audi Q3:

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 12:19:16 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on September 11, 2017, 08:42:09 amThe Juke looks like someone at Nissan said to a 5 year old "See this pretty acceptable looking QashQai? Can you make a smaller version for us?"

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 12:35:00 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on September 11, 2017, 08:42:09 amFunny thing about these cars. It is obviously targeted towards the young people. With its funny look and happy ads. And it is a crossower, so it is obviously bought by the elderly people, because it doesn't have back breaking ride, and it is not very expensive like a SUV. For some reason they just like the crossovers. Especially the Dacia Duster, which is almost this ugly, but a lot cheaper.Talking about under-motorised, these things come with a 1.5 dCi 85 Horsepower turbodiesel for high speed chases, and enough acceleration to make me as a prius owner cry, if this thing is before me. And it is very safe with 3 star ncap. Good for people without common sense and taste.

author: BBBbbb
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 12:40:17 pm
content: Unlike these funky looking crossovers, I can understand the need for a Duster. It's a dirty cheap off road-ish SUV, with a lot of space. Only thing strange is the very weak engine selection. Not sure how it even runs with 1.5l/85HP.

author: b_force
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 12:40:29 pm
content: Maybe we should make a poll

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 01:34:01 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on September 11, 2017, 12:19:16 pmThe Pajero is bletcherous. The first time I saw it from a distance I thought it must have been one of those new Chinese imports.On the Nissan, while I was in the UK recently having lunch with an old school friend of the wife, we got talking and I casually referred to the Nissan "Joke" (as I thought it must have been). Chuckle, ha ha. Until we got to the car park after lunch and she unlocked hers... oops.. Still, the first time I saw an EA Falcon I commented it must have been designed by a work experience student from the sheltered workshop and that offended the owner too. Compared to the bulbous pregnant roller-skates that pass for cars these days it's not so bad.On two wheels, the Ducati 999 was a face only a mother could love also. That's what you get when you send a South African to do an Italians job.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though, and I'm sure someone thinks these many examples are wonderful in some way or another.

author: HoracioDos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 01:37:00 pm
content: Quote from: MarkS on September 11, 2017, 12:11:44 amMr White's car.

author: Rolo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 02:33:14 pm
content: This one can't be missed in this lineup.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 02:38:55 pm
content: A ham radio friend had an Aztek. He took a lot of crap until he got rid of it. My stepdaughter has a Cube. Easy in and out but small and uncomfortable for bigger people. I happen to like the rear end of my wife's 2012 Sonata limited. I tell her it's almost as sexy as hers.

author: little_grey
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 04:07:05 pm
content: whilst the aztec is high on my ugly list, how on earth has the geewizz not been mentioned yethttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Reva_i_silver.jpg/800px-Reva_i_silver.jpg

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 04:24:20 pm
content: Quote from: Rolo on September 11, 2017, 02:33:14 pmI don't know what that is, but there have been several similar hatchbacks that were reworked into similarly funky looking estates/station wagons.

author: schmitt trigger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 04:56:10 pm
content: Why anyone has not mentioned the Yugo is beyond me:

author: 691175002
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 04:56:27 pm
content: I have to say that the cars Halcyon has been posting strike me as the most offensive. Its like they exist in the uncanny valley of design - not quite ugly enough to be dismissed as a joke.Such designs scare me on an instinctual level. I'm not sure the people who designed these cars evenrealizethe design is bad; and the idea that someone can unknowingly produce something so awful is concerning.If a car istoougly it just wraps around and becomes quirky or funny.

author: schmitt trigger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 05:00:53 pm
content: The Trabant; although I hear it has a cult following nowadays.

author: b_force
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 05:01:44 pm
content: Quote from: schmitt trigger on September 11, 2017, 05:00:53 pmThat one isn't ugly, just very cute!They only stink sooooo much.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 05:19:39 pm
content: Quote from: Rolo on September 11, 2017, 02:33:14 pmIt looks better as a boat:No, this isn't photoshopped!

author: Yansi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 05:22:12 pm
content: Subaru Libero!

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 05:53:26 pm
content: To chime in on the conversation:Right next to the Fiat Multipla already posted on second place must be this abomination from hell.PT Cruiser and PT Cruiser convertibleChrysler never fails to come up with the fugliest "designs" ever.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 06:00:43 pm
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on September 11, 2017, 10:10:56 amThe Lost in Space Chariot is f?ck’n AWESOME!

author: Kevman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 06:18:03 pm
content: Quote from: frozenfrogz on September 11, 2017, 05:53:26 pmA big part of the PT Cruiser's truly ingenious ugliness is the fact that it looks like a shortened hearse, especially when viewed from the back:Which is really funny given the thing's attraction to the older demographics.....

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 06:22:18 pm
content: Friend has an African Grey parrot, called Morticia. When moulting she plucked out all the feathers from her rear, leaving only a grey body, a bulbous backend and a beak at the other, just like a PT cruiser. Just as ugly as the PT as well.BTW, there were a few PT cruiser hearses here as well, though last I saw of them they were all broken, and sitting in the Doves parking lot.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 06:26:40 pm
content: Quote from: Kevman on September 11, 2017, 06:18:03 pmBut even that was done before much, much betterHint: "Harold, *everyone* has the right to make an ass out of themselves. You just can't let the world judge you too much."

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 07:22:20 pm
content: Quote from: frozenfrogz on September 11, 2017, 06:26:40 pmCome out to play-ay...

author: Kleinstein
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 08:08:36 pm
content: The trabant is at least one that really smells ugly (still 2 stroke).In this list I miss the US postal car:

author: Vtile
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 08:15:02 pm
content: Citroen BX GTihttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Citroen_BX_1.9_GTi_%282%29.jpg

author: little_grey
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 09:22:34 pm
content: Not sure i can agree on the Citron. A remarkable car. Well ahead of its time

author: med6753
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2017, 11:27:26 pm
content: AMC Pacer

author: Cliff Matthews
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 01:10:51 am
content: Close relative..

author: Cliff Matthews
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 01:23:32 am
content: Rather than ugly 8 inch head-lights, try on 8 head-lights and computerized dash in an '87 Aston Martin Lagonda

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 04:22:25 am
content: Quote from: schmitt trigger on September 11, 2017, 05:00:53 pmKinda looks like something Mr Pininfarina did on the cheap after he finished the Wolseley 24/80 / Austin Freeway and Peugeot 404.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 05:03:21 am
content: The car goes into the boat?That reminds me of the famous North Korean spy infiltration vessels.. their so called "mother ships"Quote from: nctnico onTodayat 11:19:39>Quote from: Rolo onTodayat 08:33:14.It looks better as a boat:No, this isn't photoshopped!

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 06:19:12 am
content: Quote from: cdev on September 12, 2017, 05:03:21 amNo, some wags at theBBCdecided to mutilate a perfectly good boat by welding the car body onto it. They read an interview with the car's designer where he stated he was inspired by yacht styling. So what if his carwasa boat after all? British humour.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 06:23:01 am
content: Quote from: Gary.M on September 11, 2017, 08:19:43 amAt least this one is ugly on purpose. Most of those others were trying to make something pretty but failing.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 06:37:05 am
content: My vote for 2017 goes to Toyota Corolla.I always think one of two things:- snow plow- Star Trek planet eaterWhen I walk in front of one, I wonder if it will suck me in.Too bad - I wanted one but just cannot get over that it might eat me. I have to wait until they will not eat me.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 07:03:15 am
content: Quote from: ez24 on September 12, 2017, 06:37:05 amI have never noticed until now! Thanks for that.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 09:05:57 am
content: Quote from: helius on September 11, 2017, 07:22:20 pmOh yeah, big 'Warriors' fan hereYou at least have room tobonk in that limo orset up a mobile lab (electronics repair/R+D)and no one is going to jack it in a hurry

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 10:23:24 am
content: It just proves that European cars are more stylish, even if they are made in japan.And then there is this:

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 10:33:54 am
content: Is it me, or do those Corollas have a bit of a Kirby vac front end 'inspiration' ?

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 10:59:47 am
content: My top list.1. Fiat Multipla (already many photos posted)2. Renault Thalia3. And very recent one:Honda Clarity (It clearly is ugly as f***)

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 11:44:17 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on September 11, 2017, 12:11:44 amThis car gets some credit because Walter White drove around in one!

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 12:57:25 pm
content: Citroen Ami.

author: Cliff Matthews
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 01:25:35 pm
content: Quote from: Circlotron on September 12, 2017, 12:57:25 pmHell yeah, I vote that's the most fugly one here, them frenchy's got a leg up on everyone!

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 01:52:10 pm
content: Quote from: frenky on September 12, 2017, 10:59:47 amWow I didn't know that was in Honda's new car lineup. That's just ... awful. I can't imagine what allowed them to produce that -thing.

author: jonovid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 03:12:07 pm
content: one for the list Ugliest Car list.The Reliant Regal the original had a wooden frame,did some mechanical engineers got drunk,then did some car design?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Regal

author: Vtile
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 03:41:14 pm
content: The reliant isn't ugly, but damb bizarre.

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 05:24:25 pm
content: I absolutely agree w.r.t. the PT Cruiser. It's worth noting, however, that the PT Cruiser was just one of the (unfortunately) more popular cars that was the result of the "retro" fetish that gripped American car manufacturers in the early 2000s.Manyother terrible-looking cars also came out of this, such as:

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 06:52:35 pm
content: I like how this thread has become a demonstration of why every car maker is playing it safe and churning out a variant of the same car. Even if you take the huge cost of car development into account, there is an uncanny tendency for every brand to carry pretty much the exact same line-up with similar cars with different badges. Cars have become so terribly boring that it makes you want to pull your hair out. It's nothing like the wild experiments car makers hazarded in years gone by. Most cars in this thread tried to do something differently, and get relentlessly punished for it. Something like the PT Cruiser actually was very popular, even though the duel economy wasn't very good due to the shape.What do you prefer? An industry full of middle of the road cars, where every brand has almost the exact same car, designed by committee? Of some variety, with some people inevitable hating the model looks, and others loving it?

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 06:57:13 pm
content: Quote from: Kleinstein on September 11, 2017, 08:08:36 pmActually I really, really love the design of this vehicle! It has so much 1960s atomic age flavor to it that I can not not like itPlease enjoy this intermission also featuring the USPS truck.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 07:03:52 pm
content: Chevy Spark was originally the Daewoo Matiz, which was a model here that had very poor sales, till it was rebranded as the Spark ( only the badges changed, the rest of the vehicle is still the mishmash of Daewoo and GM parts) and then it was quite popular.Of course now that GM is packing it's bags and closing the plant at the end of the year the workers, sales and dealers are kind of upset, along with the owners of the vehicles, though for all of those based on the DaeWontGo platforms the spares are still going to all be non franchise, simply from the cost perspective of having the non OEM or Daewoo part being in Won, while the GM part was converted to dollars, had the US market price inflated then got loaded with shipping from USA to here as well. Standard response from the dealerships is " will be here in 6 weeks" for every single part. Korean and sparesboys off the shelf new or used, and if used might even be the right colour as well.

author: Vtile
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 07:34:03 pm
content: This is actually really nice. (from post #74)Karmanchia looks in the front. The rear isn't that good, but the first 50% of the car is actually really nice. Most of the cars posted in these "ugly" usually suffers some not so good details in some part of the car (like the Citroen BX). Mostly proportions are off from some odd direction or it represent some now really old fashioned short lived fashion of some era. Would make a really nice rod with welder and angle grinder.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:02:03 pm
content: Quote from: Vtile on September 12, 2017, 07:34:03 pmI think I prefer the BX over that car. Not in small part because the BX actually looks pretty good. That 80's vibe can be pretty nice.

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:07:09 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on September 12, 2017, 06:52:35 pmThere's no contradiction here. Wanting car companies to innovate and criticizing their failed attempts are not mutually exclusive things. The Edsel was a complete failure by all accounts, but virtually nobody who has criticized it over the past several decades thinks that car companies should just stop trying. There's always a risk of failure in any creative endeavor, whether it's designing a new car model, writing a novel, or recording an album. That risk is an inherent part of the desire to innovate, not something to be blamed on one's critics.

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:09:13 pm
content: Quote from: Vtile on September 12, 2017, 07:34:03 pmWe'll have to agree to disagree. Personally, I think it's atrocious.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:19:12 pm
content: That reminds me:I see a Chevrolet SSR every second morning. It makes my eyes bleed.

author: HoracioDos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:24:17 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on September 12, 2017, 08:19:12 pmWalter White Junior's car...

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:45:39 pm
content: Quote from: deflicted on September 12, 2017, 08:07:09 pmIt has become a contradiction due to the huge costs involved in modern car development. There is a reason companies only present prototypes that are close to, or the same as later production models. Developing prototypes for the hell of it like in years past simply isn't economically feasible any more. Due to these enormous and ever larger costs associated with development, companies can't really afford to get it wrong any more. It really is a matter of not having your cake and eating it too.Of course, companies are hurting themselves by developing the very same car their competitor or even sister brand develops. I never quite got why different brands, owned by the same company, produce pretty much the same car, for the same price and the same demographic. I guess it's harder to fire someone over playing it safe. Meanwhile, we get stuck with half a dozen carbon copies of the same car for every segment.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 08:57:49 pm
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on September 11, 2017, 08:37:16 amSparesheep?Sparesheep!?!Oh dear, it looks as if everything I've heard about you Kiwis from the Aussies is true.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 09:00:52 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on September 12, 2017, 08:57:49 pmWhat else are you going to do when your main sheep kicks the bucket and you're in the middle of nowhere? You obviously are going to need a spare one, and preferably two.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 12, 2017, 09:09:16 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on September 11, 2017, 12:19:16 pmThe QashQai's pretty butt-ugly before you do anything else to it.I always suspected that the QashQai got its improbable name when there was a marketing meeting that had someone with a stupidly posh English accent (think Jacob Rees-Mogg) and someone from Nissan Japan, and the English toff said "This is going to be acash cow." and the Japanese guy just wrote it down phonetically.They do look a bit bovine...

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 02:39:37 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on September 12, 2017, 08:45:39 pmI disagree. You can't polish a turd, no matter how much it cost. That is, an ugly car is still an ugly car. Whether the car company spent $1 on R&D or $1,000,000,000, it's still not the consumer's fault that it's ugly. Consumers want innovation, but that doesn't obligate them to refrain from criticism. Your original post sounds very much along the lines of (paraphrasing) "This is why we can't have nice things. You guys (consumers) want innovation then turn around and criticize." As if it needs to be somebody's fault, as opposed to just an unfortunate business reality. I don't blame the car manufacturers for playing it safe. Nor do I blame movie studios for cranking out endless reboots of old movies and TV shows. It sucks, but I can see how it makes a lot of financialsuccesssense (stupid autocorrect). But blaming consumers for wanting to have their cake and eat it too is just as absurd.Consumers want the best product for the lowest price, and manufacturers want the highest return for their R&D dollars. Neither of those positions is inherently any more (or less) valid than the other. That's just how it works. And as far as financial risk goes, there's plenty of risk on both sides, and it scales proportionally with the reward. The whole reason that any company ever takes risks trying to innovate is because there's a potentially much higher payoff. Likewise, a new car is a huge investment, and a consumer is taking on a lot more risk buying a fancy, expensive new model of car than they are just buying yet another 2 year old used Honda Civic.I don't dispute your reasoning aboutwhycar companies don't innovate as much as they used to. I think that part is fairly obvious. What I disagree with is your seeming need to blame consumers for this state of affairs.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 03:37:59 am
content: Quote from: deflicted on September 13, 2017, 02:39:37 amConsumers don't want innovation at all. That's a misconceptions that has cost a lot of business owners their money. Consumers want exactly what they had, only slightly different, under the guise of it being better. So that's what they get. Most people loathe actual change.Mind you, I'm not saying that's the only mechanism in play, or even the dominant mechanism.

author: BU508A
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 05:50:51 am
content: Nissan Cube:I think, Daihatsu Materia is the same car.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 13, 2017, 01:21:48 pm
content: The SHERP has to be the ugliest.https://youtu.be/KTJUMOzx_zEBut Renault have been taking ugly lessons as well.https://www.renault.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/twizy.html

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 02:14:41 am
content: Quote from: Cerebus on September 12, 2017, 08:57:49 pmI hope you aren't referring to me, I'm one of those nasty Aussies.Note the white stars instead of red ones on the flag.Another giveaway---- I am a "Ham" & out of pure laziness use my call sign. VK6ZGO , on this forum.Several others do the same----"VK" denotes Australia, the number, which State.Kiwis call signs start with "ZL".

author: ejeffrey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 05:09:11 am
content: The AMC Gremlin was awesome. You guys are a bunch of weirdos.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 05:21:35 am
content: Well, the truly ugly ones have already been posted. So, for something a little different, I submit the current line of Lexus. Designed and built by Cylons?From anearlier post, it seems the Corolla is being infiltrated by the Cylon Empire as we speak.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 08:43:05 am
content: http://www.autonews.com/article/20150419/OEM03/150419864/at-lexus-the-chief-still-defends-that-spindle-grilleQuoteSome of them is less terrible, when you put the license plate on it. In fact, I would like to have a IS300h.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 09:09:07 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on September 13, 2017, 01:21:48 pmIt looks like a weird Lego car, but you'd have to admit, it would be a bit of fun to drive.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 02:17:33 pm
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on September 14, 2017, 02:14:41 amSorry mate.In my defence:Because you were going on about keeping spare sheep handy I just made the, understandable, assumption that you were either Welsh or a Kiwi.The flag's too small to tell which of the antipodeans you are, but enough to exclude the Welsh.I discovered beer and girls* before I reached the terrible point of needing to learn all the world's call-signs just for the pure street cred it would have given me with the other nerds.There we are, I think that's an adequate list of excuses.By way of apology, have a virtual Vegemite sandwich on me and I promise in the future to include Aussies in my list of sheep obsessed deviants.Yours,Uncle Bumblefuck.*Some of them Aussies. By the way, Gentlemen let me pass along a pearl of wisdom garnered over the years: Do not go out drinking with Aussie or Kiwi women unless you you also take along some other men for the protection of your personal honour. Do not ask me for details, just accept the fruits of the hard won experience of an older man!

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 05:32:40 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on September 14, 2017, 02:17:33 pmYou can always just hover your mouse cursor over the flag. Just sayin'.Edit: If you're viewing the full site (not the mobile version, which doesn't show flags anyway) on a mobile device with no mouse, you can long press on the flag image and the image text should show up. Might depend on OS and browser, but there's usually a way to do it.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 06:55:42 pm
content: Quote from: deflicted on September 14, 2017, 05:32:40 pmJust curious on how you got the screen shot with the cursor in it ?

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 07:07:49 pm
content: Quote from: ez24 on September 14, 2017, 06:55:42 pmI used the screenshot tool that comes with the MATE desktop environment. I'm running Linux Mint. However, if you're on Windows, I think IfranView can also do this, but you have to enable that feature in Options.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 08:15:37 pm
content: For Windows, press    all at once.Then paste in your viewer/editor of choice

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 10:33:38 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on September 14, 2017, 08:15:37 pmThat doesn't capture the mouse cursor. At least not on Windows 7. Just tried it to make sure.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2017, 11:51:28 pm
content: Quote from: deflicted on September 14, 2017, 10:33:38 pmIn Windows 7 you can do that with the"Steps Recorder"-> type "psr" or "Steps Recorder" in the Start menu search bar.In OS X you can configure the behavior of the screen grabbing app by launching"grab.app"via cmd+space search. Under preferences the type of displayed cursor can be selected.

author: Cliff Matthews
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 02:21:57 am
content: Quote from: deflicted on September 14, 2017, 10:33:38 pmLate to the party here. A legal app that should capture the cursor is Faststone Capture 5.3 (last free version).http://www.oldapps.com/fast_stone_capture.php?old_fscapture=17Install as admin, YMMV - cheers!

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 03:42:34 am
content: Quote from: frozenfrogz on September 14, 2017, 11:51:28 pmThis works. But a little scary because MS wants me to use IE so I have to be careful. I rebooted to make sure I did not lose my browser.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 03:53:16 am
content: Quote from: Cliff Matthews on September 15, 2017, 02:21:57 amI use Faststone viewer and at first I thought they were the same. After re-reading your message I realized they are different. Since I have used Faststone for years, I will show my support for them by buying Faststone Capture 8.6 for $20. Thanks CliffI will report on this after I try it out.

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 04:16:29 am
content: We have a new winner for the ugliest! See here:

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 04:49:09 am
content: Ok, this one you have just got to seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..................Enjoy everyone!!!If you don't laugh after seeing this, you are dead inside.......

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 06:40:37 am
content: As if that car wasn't funny enough ... putting Jeremy Clarkson in it was hilarious!

author: BrianHG
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 07:36:21 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on September 15, 2017, 06:40:37 amJeremy built his own smaller car:

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 07:52:50 am
content: Good grief ....If you want to start getting into Top Gear creations..... then we need to start again!

author: BU508A
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2017, 08:53:30 am
content: Top Gear ... the only team in the world, who is able to set a car wash site into flames :-D