Spotted new birds...(Siglent MSO/SDS2000, SDS3000) - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 08:50:26 am
content: SiglentSDS2000 and 3000?Strange birds. Evolution proceeds?

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 09:03:55 am
content: "Birds"... ?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 09:11:00 am
content: Wow .. I didn't know birds in Finland look like that ! Don't they even have wings ? ...j/kThanks for the info rf-loop, pretty sure that is not sub $500 bird isn't it ?

author: Nermash
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 09:15:23 am
content: Looks nice, 4 channel, maybe even LA or function gen option? Proper intensity grading. Old school LeCroy color scheme.I am interested. Can you get a sample for a sneak preview

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 10:52:39 am
content: Not surprising about the colour scheme as some of the LeCroysareSiglents.

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 11:32:03 am
content: Not a single peep on google .... :-)

author: Nermash
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 11:35:08 am
content: There are some pictures on the Siglent web, marketing news section. It seems that they are showing them of at major fairs.Unfortunately, none of the promo pictures gives any further details, apart from what looks like auto probe interface on 3000 series.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 12:49:49 pm
content: Quote from: rf-loop on May 27, 2013, 08:50:26 amNot really. They look very much like the way the Japanese design their scopes. They make the case high and narrow so you have more room on your test bench.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 12:56:04 pm
content: I heard Siglent were coming out with a new scope. Very Agilent looking two tone knobs?And of course clearly aimed at the Agilent 2000X and 3000X based on the numbers. That's the new game in town to duplicate the model series numbers.Based on the dates, were showing them back in April:http://www.siglent.com/en/news/detail.aspx?id=100000051932812&nodecode=119002003

author: don.r
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 01:29:34 pm
content: The inputs seem to have lost their way on the front panel...

author: SLJ
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timestamp: May 27, 2013, 01:35:00 pm
content: Quote from: don.r on May 27, 2013, 01:29:34 pmLooks like they are right under the display.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 01:35:44 pm
content: Quote from: don.r on May 27, 2013, 01:29:34 pmYeah, quite unusual to have them under the screen, and nowhere near the vertical controls

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 01:36:54 pm
content: The SDS3000 looks to be equivalent in height to the Agilent 4000 series that doesn't fit on your average shelf.

author: don.r
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 01:40:29 pm
content: At least there isn't the liberal splash of pastels as is the trend these days. I see a little on the vertical controls and I guess some on the connectors but less than on some Chinese "toy-like" scopes.

author: SLJ
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 02:19:42 pm
content: What was the reasoning for not having them near their controls? even to the left or right. Under the display makes no sense.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2013, 02:28:41 pm
content: Oh, these are weird. Well, LCDs and CPUs are cheap these days. The 1996 is far away, it's time to stop using those QVGA 240×320 displays. And in 20 years we will have 12-bit ADC scopes as standard, I hope!

author: Nermash
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2013, 10:15:30 am
content: Another teaser leaked from Siglent for the new 3000 series, here is what I managed to read from this marketing photo:* max 1 GHz bandwith* 4 GS/s sampling rate* 20 Mpoint memory* 300 000 wf/s update rate !

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2013, 01:15:58 pm
content: Quote from: Nermash on July 04, 2013, 10:15:30 amI wonder if it will be sold under theLeCroybrand, like theWaveAceseries.

author: grego
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2013, 06:02:32 pm
content: Siglent looks like it's coming out with interesting gear. Too bad you can't get it in the US easily. Ah well, we can't have everything here!

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2013, 09:55:11 pm
content: These new scopes are not even sold in Europe.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2013, 09:05:55 pm
content: Hey, this Siglent SDS2000 scope looks better than Rigol DS2000 or GW Instek GDS2000A. It is clearly inspired by Agilent MSOX2000.It looks great.http://www.siglent.com/cn/product/detail.aspx?id=100000007854687&nodecode=105008001But it is still sold only in China, probably.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 10:08:20 am
content: Siglent should send one scope to Dave.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 10:18:59 am
content: The crux will be support and firmware

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 02:46:32 pm
content: My main complaint with the SDS1000 series is the crappy screen and the slow UI ... if they've fixed that, and maybe start properly testing the scopes before they send them out the factory, it might be worth waiting for instead of getting a Rigol DS2000 series.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 05:50:46 pm
content: Nothing on ebay so far...

author: jpb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 06:03:28 pm
content: Quote from: Fsck on October 11, 2013, 10:18:59 amDid you mean crux?

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 11:57:15 pm
content: They should make a design change like this.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 12:02:51 am
content: Quote from: jpb on October 11, 2013, 06:03:28 pmyep.also it'd be nice if the inputs were in line with the knobs just as a purely convenience thing

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 04:41:10 am
content: It is $1000 USD in China in case anyone was wondering. Not sure which model, but comes standard with serial decode I think...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 09:56:47 am
content: Hi AllDecoding and MSO will be options.Unfortunately we have to wait till next year for release outside China.

author: Zbig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 10:59:20 am
content: I like the separate Auto/Normal/Single trigger mode buttons. I only have one [Auto/Normal]<-> button on my SDS-1072CML and find it inadequate sometimes as often I'd like to alternate between Normal and Auto quickly but have to go to the menu for that.

author: Zbig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 11:04:44 am
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on October 11, 2013, 11:57:15 pmHmm... while it definitely would have more sense aesthetically, I noticed that protruding probe connectors restrict my access to "Position" knobs a little, forcing me to pinch them awkwardly.

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2013, 05:10:12 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on October 11, 2013, 11:57:15 pmYes - it would have been nicer; my guess is they tried but couldn't figure out how to make the packaging work for some manufacturing reason. Still looks like a pretty thoughtful layout though. Hope it works well and is priced well.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2013, 05:41:47 pm
content: It's more than the DS2072 in China...Wtf?

author: Carrington
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2013, 07:18:24 pm
content: According to this web the price for the SDS2072 would be about 710€.Source:http://www.hi1718.com/company/223788/products/2013102493143485.html

author: rockandroll
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 01:10:35 am
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on October 10, 2013, 09:05:55 pmit may be better than Agilent MSOX2000 which is a product for years

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 02:11:17 am
content: It will be available 1-14-2014

author: olsenn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 02:21:54 am
content: Still not intensity graded; rather it changes colour

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 05:45:51 am
content: Quote from: olsenn on October 30, 2013, 02:21:54 amIs this "truth" from "radio jerevan" or some other garbage generator?Datasheet page 7 read: Intensity grading: 256 levels.Also there in datasheet is one picture text read: "Support 256 intensity gradingandcolor temperature waveform display".-----4 channel model can use so that it have 2GSa/s for two channels.Channels in use1: 2GSa/s2: 2x 2GSa/s (Rigol DS2000 2x1GSa/s)4: 4x1GSa/s (Rigol 1000Z 4x 250MSa/s)

author: olsenn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 01:16:31 pm
content: QuoteIt's possible I was only looking at the "color temperature waveform display" but on the Chinese Siglent site it gives operational photos of the scope in action and where it referenced intensity grading it only showed a waveform that turned from blue/green to yellow/red to convey the same data as a normal intensity grading display

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2014, 02:33:09 pm
content: More new birds.....From images at the recent Munich show....recently posted on the Siglent website.http://www.siglent.com/ENs/qyxwxx.aspx?id=983&sid=26Siglent would not let me see it when I visited a few weeks ago. Got a glimspe, but it was off limits.If it follows the SDS2000 series development timeframe it might be a while until we see it for real.As yet I don't even know the model/series, maybe someone that was in Munich can enlighten us ?New DSO looks very interesting, seems like a larger display and a much smaller format than the SDS2000 series.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2014, 10:00:45 pm
content: Well, they should rather properly finish the firmware of SDS2000 series scopes.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/review-siglent-sds2304-a-comparison-of-features-with-rigol-ds2000-series/msg541052/#msg541052

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2014, 10:05:56 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on November 24, 2014, 10:00:45 pmAgreed.Don't worry we have been nagging Siglent for some time, but better they get it right than release it incomplete.

author: Hydrawerk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2014, 10:29:59 pm
content: I think that there are some countries where american scopes are prohibited. So they must buy chinese instruments.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2014, 11:05:34 pm
content: Quote from: Hydrawerk on November 26, 2014, 10:29:59 pmReally?Where?

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2014, 11:19:52 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 26, 2014, 11:05:34 pmNorth Korea?Seriously, I doubt that is the case. There are export restrictions for certain stuff to certain countries like NK or Iran, but I'm pretty sure if these countries had the chance to get American made scopes (which often are made somewhere else anyways, or just the final assembly is in the US) then they would take them.

author: Mark_O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2014, 09:30:03 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 24, 2014, 10:05:56 pmI disagree.Well, not with the "get it right" part.But releasing something incrementally, that is "incomplete" would be fine... as long as substantial improvements had been made. That's probably what will wind up happening anyway. By delaying an update for so long, Siglent locks themselves into an expectation that it will be, as you say, "complete". And if it's not, people will still be disappointed.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2014, 09:59:12 pm
content: Quote from: Mark_O on November 27, 2014, 09:30:03 pmLet's hope the reverse is the case.

author: Mark_O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2014, 10:08:11 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 24, 2014, 02:33:09 pmThanks for the new info. I noticed that Steve, their GM from the US, was there, helping man the booth. Did anyone from here who said they were attending the show, stop by and pick up a brochure? I see that one of their new products (likely a spectrum analyzer) has a visual motif (black & white styling) reminiscent of some RTM-series scopes from Rohde & Schwarz.QuoteAnd here, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you... the Master of Understatement.If it does follow the SDS2000-series trajectory (and honestly, I can't see how they can afford to do that again), we should expect an announcement it will be released next May. It will actually appear next November 2015. And in May 2016 they will be promising functional improvements "soon".QuoteYes, I'm surprised we've heard nothing yet from any of the attendees.QuoteI'm happy to see them pursuing 4-channel scopes. Though I see they've moved the input BNCs back under the channel controls again, like all other scopes. I kinda liked how they bucked the trend on the SDS2000, and your knuckles weren't scraping the BNCs as you adjusted the Channel offsets.

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2014, 05:30:17 am
content: Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on November 26, 2014, 11:19:52 pmIn China, about 20-40 years ago, US made Tek/Agilent scopes were not permitted to be imported. Needless to say, the labs had them anyways. When the Americans came, however, their first order of business was to hide all of it.