Italian politic by your eyes - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2013, 04:34:43 pm
content: HiAs you know by my little flag i'm italian.We've just ended the election of our politics.I'm hope if you can say what the word think about our politics...

author: MetraCollector
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2013, 05:10:13 pm
content: I say that Czech Republic and Slovakia are bad countries - BUT, there are worse contries I would not like to live in them - like Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy or Poland.I wonder if there is some collaps and anarchy in the future.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2013, 05:37:11 pm
content: However good their intentions, people in places of power end up with a form of autism due to becoming socially isolated, ie. they can no longer simulate in their brains the feelings of other people and as a result the inner Machiavelli takes over and the sense of sympathy is squashed to be replaced by selfishness. This has been proved by a UC Berkeley psychologist.Polititians should be replaced with some form of jury like service where people are chosen at random and put into government for a short time to be replaced with another after a few weeks.

author: andersm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2013, 05:50:20 pm
content: All I know about Italian politics comes fromThe Bugle(starts at about 21:45).

author: ignator
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2013, 05:52:04 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on March 17, 2013, 05:37:11 pmWith the internet, why have representative government (assuming democracy), as this form of government came about when nothing moved faster then the speed of a horse.But I don't know about how that would work, as you can have a populous of closed minded bigots and that could be no fun having to live with their dictates.I think we are all stuck in this world with idiots running the place. Who else want to be a politician, but a mega-maniac.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2013, 11:10:43 pm
content: Mmh i need to rewrite my question:What word think about politics in italy?Like mario monti, berlus.... Grillo...

author: ftransform
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2013, 11:55:05 pm
content: But seriously, as I understand it Italy is crooked as fuck.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 12:27:26 am
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on March 17, 2013, 11:10:43 pmIt's hard to know what to think. Does Italy have politics or does it have comedy? Should the northern provinces secede from the south, or is unity more important? Will Italy drop out of the Euro, or will Italy cause the Euro to fail? Stay tuned for tomorrow's exciting episode of "Europe: together or bust..." :-)

author: JoeyP
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 12:38:35 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on March 17, 2013, 05:37:11 pmThat is a truly terrifying proposition. Have you spent any time in court watching the behavior of juries? On a related note, have you seen the move "Idiocracy"?

author: smashedProton
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 02:11:58 am
content: Quote from: JoeyP on March 18, 2013, 12:38:35 amThe trick would be getting the 'jury' size large enough to eliminate the odd chance of a group of idiots being on together at once. Has anyone ever seen the movie 12 angry men? Its a classic. Anyway, you would also need it to be small enough so still remain productive. And obvously education is necessary. But this is only a dream now... The Barrackalypse is coming!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 11:16:41 am
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on March 17, 2013, 04:34:43 pmDid something important happen in Italian politics?Dave.

author: larry42
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 11:25:25 am
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on March 17, 2013, 04:34:43 pmAnd the relevance to electronics is...?

author: Thor-Arne
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 11:29:56 am
content: Quote from: larry42 on March 18, 2013, 11:25:25 amThe Arduino?

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 04:24:17 pm
content: Italy changes government rather more often than any other country, so they are unique in using post it notes as name labels on doors in government, written on in pencil as well.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 04:32:03 pm
content: The really amazing thing is that on the whole Italian industry and people continue to prosper despite the Italian government doing its worst. I cannot understand why more Italian politicians or any other nationality for that matter do not end up hanging from the lamp posts.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 06:05:48 pm
content: Continue to say you opinion people...I'd like to know what word think about us

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 06:12:55 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 18, 2013, 11:16:41 amPeople of my country had decided to re-vote the same asshole that has destroy (berlusconi, more know as bunga bunga) and to vote a comedian.The first because he has promised money and less tax for the 5th time (and every time the government need more tax because he do a complete mess).The second because he insult the first,

author: ftransform
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 06:37:34 pm
content: do you think it is mafia related?

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 07:35:22 pm
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on March 18, 2013, 06:12:55 pmSorry to hear that... Berlusconi's antics have been in the news in Brazil for a long time, and we can surely relate to that. Our politics are very similar in terms of "seriousness" and corruption.Just to illustrate, in the 1988 elections people were so fed up with politics that the third most voted candidate for Rio de Janeiro's city hall (400 thousand votes) was a chimpanzee of Rio de Janeiro's zoo (Macaco Tião).Also, in 1959 rhinoCacarecowon 100 thousand votes for councilman of São Paulo - the most voted councilman at that election.The only reasons why these were elected were the fact that voting is mandatory in Brazil, and the ballots were in paper back then. Nowadays electronic voting machines took all the fun away...

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 08:05:14 pm
content: Citizens of south Europe (Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece, Cyprus) should unite and redefine the meaning of European Economic Union. Or leave it.Countries like Germany forces the governments to accept loans in order to pay back loans to the same country that gives the loan. It's an endless loop. At the same time Germany refuse to pay ~125 billion euros from money stolen from Greece during world war two.One way or another it is going to end. And it will not be good. Specially for countries that now are in the top.Alexander.

author: Neganur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 10:16:43 pm
content: Even _if_ the German government would pay those 125 billion you say were stolen, to the Hellenic Republic -- Where do you think that money would go?Also, it's not "countries like Germany" it is the Banks.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 18, 2013, 10:43:52 pm
content: Quote from: ftransform on March 17, 2013, 11:55:05 pmI thought that until I left Italy and came back to the UK.

author: AxelDominatoR
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 01:54:20 am
content: Quote from: Simon on March 18, 2013, 10:43:52 pmWell, I left Italy and moved to UK and the situation here is much much better (Scotland/Glasgow).I come from the southernmost part of Italy, though, and that's a hopeless and cursed land.I think in the near future (5-10 years) the entire situation will get worse and worse.I don't really care anymore, because I firmly believe italians deserve what's happening (and I don't feel myself being italian anymore, anyway).

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 04:59:08 am
content: Quote from: firewalker on March 18, 2013, 08:05:14 pmThe situation is much more fundamental than a simple excuse like "banks" or "Germany". In general, Europe has spent far too long living the good life on credit. In the case of Greece, it was cushy retirement packages, an unworkable tax code rife with fraud, a populace that stops working at a very young age, and a government that was frankly lying about their economic situation. So you have a small minority of the people who work and pay the appropriate taxes, but they do so for a short few years, while a much larger minority of the population lives off those folks' productivity.It is destined for failure. That failure is still coming - not only to Greece but to the rest of Europe (at least most of the Eurozone, certainly those that use the Euro).The gravy train has gone on far too long, and now the bill is due, and nobody has the money to pay it - even Germany.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 05:26:17 am
content: Simple fundamental law that a lot people are "trying really hard" to forget :Spending > Earning = Fail (Majority of African countries, south European countries etc)Spending < Earning = Profit (China, Korea, few south American countries, Dave's land etc)As simple as that.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 06:42:25 am
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on March 18, 2013, 06:12:55 pmThen I'm afraid you only have yourselves to blame.But of course, it doesn't matter who you vote for, you end up with a politician.What do we foreigners think about Italy? Well, sorry to say, but we don'tThere are too many other batshit crazy countries to poke fun out, you guys don't rate mention.Dave.

author: peter.mitchell
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 08:37:23 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on March 19, 2013, 06:42:25 amAnd to end this evenings news, here we have some footage of french politicians rolling wheels of cheese down a hill!

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 11:09:49 am
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on March 18, 2013, 06:12:55 pmWhat happened with Mario Monti's administration? Was there any results in behalf of Italian citizens? Exactly the same as Greece with Papadhmos and Samaras administration. Lies, lies, lies.It's absolutely insane to borrow money (you really don;t need) in order to pay interest and repayments to the same person you borrowed money from.It's absolutely insane to reduce the monthly pay check to ~500 USD, ~400 USD for ages < 25, (Greece) in order to call for investments. Who the hell thought that pay checks under the limit of poverty will kick start the economy? As a result 2.000.000 persons (35% of the manpower) lost their jobs . If there is no money to spend how will a business sell it's product? Unless the want a China in south Europe...Alexander.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 11:26:11 am
content: Sorry Italy, Cyprus has just stolen your EU/banking crisis spotlight. Real edge-of-chair stuff going on right now.I wonder how much that has filtered through the mainstream media in the last couple of days, and how many here know about the Cyprus drama? Don't have a TV, so I don't know.Anyway, if you want to see the future of government theft of citizen's money, and what happens then, keep an eye onhttp://www.zerohedge.com/http://whatreallyhappened.com/and etc.http://barnhardt.biz/is always fun too - if you don't mind the heavy religious angle.It's quite exciting. Countdown to cascading banking implosions in the EU, and ... ?How ironic that this ball was set rolling by an actual explosion: google cyprus explosion 2011And especially ironic considering the nature of the meddling in other country's affairs that caused that.Oh wow. Just now, news they extend the 'bank holiday' to Friday. A whole week with no access to bank accounts, no wire transfers... way to piss off everyone even more. Including numerous Russian billionaires, who's response is likely to be unorthodox.I'm glad I have no money in a bank.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 11:43:46 am
content: And 10 days ago Europe was assuring everyone that there is no way to touch people bank accounts... Now they want to take 6.5~9.9 % of what exist in banks located in Cyprus.Cyprus has two things only. Tourism and banks. Lots of them (like Switzerland). Destroying the banking system you destroy Cyprus. Why do that? Because money in Cyprus doesn't belong to European countries. It's mainly Russian founds etc. The equivalent is Slovakia for Germany. You destroy Slovakian banking system you destroy German banks.Alexander.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 11:59:51 am
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on March 17, 2013, 11:10:43 pmWhat I think of the central european politics:Left=Right (steal your money, give it to apparatus)Extreme left=Extreme Right (complain about things, using violence)Most "centre" politics are Catholic related, sold their integrity to hide big Pedo scandalsThere is a big need for Libertarian (is not Liberal !) Politics.The "leave me alone" approach. Don't interrupt me with you taxes, subsidy, law, methods.And most of all don't preach your high morals.

author: 4to20Milliamps
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 12:16:37 pm
content: I think you will need a professional politician to answer your question. Any professional politicians in the house?My own personal opinion of most politicians is they are fake, self absorbed, extremely over paid, and unqualified to do the job.As far as the banking stuff...... if you don't act like you're starving to death no one will feed you, then someone feels sorry for you and you get nice and fat.Is the sky really falling or are the little piggies just wanting to fatten up?

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 04:28:40 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on March 19, 2013, 11:09:49 amHe's saved the situation, but has also take a lot of money with taxes. (really, not much, but he had trepassed the line... In fact is not monti fault, he only do what was necessary) The other politician, who posseed tv channel and newspaper, has do a massive campaign against monti. So, a little part of italian, the ones who can look at the graph data and understand the reality have voted him (9%).

author: SoftwareSamurai
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 05:01:50 pm
content: Dave, are you seriously going to let this way-off-topic thread continue? Isn't it time you locked this thread?

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 05:27:57 pm
content: Why should he lock a healthy thread?Alexander.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 07:28:23 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on March 19, 2013, 05:27:57 pm

author: SoftwareSamurai
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 08:58:02 pm
content: Because Dave has said that he wants EEVBlog forums to focus on electronics and related topics. And yes, he has in the past locked "healthy" threads for being "outside" his approved topics, especially if the thread gets too "active", or politically toned. Do a search, you'll see for yourself.Quote from: firewalker on March 19, 2013, 05:27:57 pm

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 09:16:19 pm
content: He's adult, i think he can decide himself what he want do or not.

author: staxquad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 19, 2013, 09:38:05 pm
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on March 17, 2013, 04:34:43 pmNero let Rome burn.Silvio Berlusconi let Italy burn.The Banks will feed on the remaining Italian carcase.