Domain registration and site hosting for dummies. - Page 1
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author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 12:33:34 pm
content: Hello all. My ISP provides 50MB of “personal” web space. However I’d really like a bit more; say 50GB.This site here :http://hosting.webcity.com.au/is advertising 50GB with unlimited traffic for a paltry $4.95 per month (2 year plan) and domain name hosting for $11.25 per month along with “24/7 Instant Setup & Immediate Activation: All credit card payments are processed on the spot and accounts setup immediately.”I’m beginning to look into this kind of thing as a COMPLETE ignoramus, but is it all really that cheap and easy? Are there any other hidden fees for traps before I click the “Buy now” button? I recall looking into this years (~10) ago and domain registration alone was a few hundred dollars per year.I’m not after a commercial domain, just a personal *.org for electronics archival/museum stuff.Another thing, are there any potential privacy issues with domain name registration? I vividly recall a pornographic spam email I received ~15 years ago when I first got onto the interwebs. It was a written invitation from an anonymous young lady just to me (yeah, right) to visit her website where she photographically exhibits her fondness for self-probing with various implements, both passive and (electronics related) active. When I accidentally (yes, really) clicked the link provided I was instead directed to a somewhat different page. It was a single page put up by her ISP, explaining, with legal disclaimer, that the site content had been removed due to violation of policy by the account holder– specifically a strict prohibition on spamming and pornography. It also gave the account details in full; including ladies name in full, her DOB, residential address and work and home phone numbers! Unfortunately she was over in America so I didn't bother ringing her up.Now I’m not inclined to self-probing or being probed in any shape or form and least of all sharing details of anything of the sort with the whole freaking universe over the interwebs. I also have no desire to host porn (undressed vintage Tektronix equipment aside).However I’m curious as to what extent my private details become accessible to the public if I register a domain name. Does this kind of stuff go on a global register somewhere? For example, in the case of the young “anonymous” lady and her spam mail, I couldn’t imagine the IPS being legally permitted to simply divulge all of that “personal” information if it wasn’t in the public domain already.And anyway, to those that know the first thing about this stuff, does that "Webcity" site look like offering a good deal? Anyone else have experience with them and their claimed reliability?

author: hammil
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 12:50:33 pm
content: The domain registration sounds a bit expensive... I'd be expecting to pay $11.25 a /year/ for a top global domain (.com, .net etc.). Speaking from the UK, a .co.uk domain will cost you £2 per year.

author: Balaur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 12:55:06 pm
content: Hello,Back in 2005, I've bought a personal domain (my family name .net) through Godaddy. I've renewed in 2010 for 9 years for only $69 (for the whole period).While I cannot say that I use the domain name a lot, I'm not unhappy with the purchase. I have nice emails (family member@family name.net) for my family on it, plus some redirects to my own server back home, to the site that my Internet provider give me for free (5GB) and to a Google Site. I didn't bought any kind of web hosting, as I don't plan going public with this (in that case, I do think that both the Google Site or the provider site can cope with a lot of traffic). In all, I'm comfortable paying ~$8/year for this setup.Your private details are accessible to everybody (through the "who is" service). I think that's always the case, but I may be wrong.

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 01:07:04 pm
content: I used to be with Webcity for my hosting but got fed up of the notifications about infringing my supposedly 'unlimited' disk space and bandwidth.Their domain renewal prices are way too high.Cheapest I've found isVentraip,a 2 year domain registration (or renewal) should cost no more than $20, less for some 2nd level domains (org.au, asn.au for example). Ventraip will also provide free DNS hosting for any domain you get from them. Handy if you're still deciding on the best hosting options.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 01:11:12 pm
content: Quote from: Balaur on April 17, 2013, 12:55:06 pmOK, thanks! This isn't something I'm overly enamored with. However I just putwww.eevblog.cominto:http://whois-service.com/and it gives me Daves post office box address rather than his residential address. That seems a smart move. If I have to give an address to register a domain I think I'll get myself a PO box.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 01:15:19 pm
content: Quote from: GeoffS on April 17, 2013, 01:07:04 pmOK, thanks for the info. Reliability and no BS/hassle is my greatest concern. Significant price differences don't really matter when we're still only talking sums less than 15 bucks per year.

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 01:20:57 pm
content: Quote from: Balaur on April 17, 2013, 12:55:06 pmIt depends on the domain and how it's registered. I have a couple of domains and a whois only shows my name and email address.Check out the rules fromAUDAon what you need to qualify for the 2nd level domain in question

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 01:45:01 pm
content: A domain name costs about 11$a year, not a month.I would recommend buying this domain from a company that specializes in dealing with domains, as they will also give you a good quality control panel from where you can configure the domain options properly, create subdomains, adjust settings nice and fast. A company that sells domains as a secondary thing to shared hosting or other things may not be as flexible as a company specialized on domains.Also, it's wise to have the domain separately just in case there's a conflict with the company selling you hosting. Maybe you're not satisfied with the service and want to stop ahead of the end of the contract and they'll be jerks and refuse to hand over your domain unless you pay for the full 2 year contract or stuff like that. You never know, so it's best to keep them separate.I buy my domains from Namecheap.com - name sounds cheesy perhaps but they're a very well known company, they've been doing this for years and they're great at it. I have probably more than 10 domains with them for more than 4-5 years now and never had any issue with them.If you want something in Europe, I've heard only good things about Gandi.netAnyway, once you buy the domain, you can go to any shared hosting company, or you can get a VPS or a dedicated server and it's just a matter of a few clicks in the control panels of both systems to make the connection between the domain and the hosting account.If you're ever going to give up that hosting account, it's again super easy to just go in the control panels for domain and new hosting account and change the connection settings between the domain and accounts.Namecheap also has some offers for shared hosting which include mail :http://www.namecheap.com/hosting/web-hosting.aspxAbout privacy, normally you have to list that information which will be accessible with a whois query. But I think Namecheap gives you a one year free option that hides that information. After that option expires, it's probably 1-2$ a year to keep it on, or you can just fudge that information or say something like "J.S" instead of John Smith, basically abbreviate it to the point where it's not useful yet still technically correct.The control panel allows you to change all that information.I personally didn't try their shared hosting but I don't see people complaining about it.I would advise going for US/European shared hosting (or better) company simply because of performance/speed of the account for all people accessing my websites - If that Australian company has the servers in Australia, the website will be very fast for you but for everyone else the website may be slower because of the data going across the ocean.The shared hosting company I've personally used was ICDSoft.com . It was great, fast support team (answered within 5-10 minutes each time) super fast , not overloaded servers, nice webmail system, domain name at half the price if bought through them (and they released the domain in 5 minutes when I asked them to transfer it to another company).. But the downside is that you have to pay in advance for a year (there's a 90 day period where you can cancel if you don't like them) and you can only host ONE main domain and lots of subdomains (ex blog.domain.com) etc.The basic idea is that forcing people to pay in advance for a year eliminates those kids that want to make warez sites and spammers who just want to create a website and spam for a week or so before the stolen card gets rejected.I don't like GoDaddy, it's a matter of principles. The owner of that company is a jerk who goes hunting elephants and endangered animals in Africa, they don't care about laws and are willing to take over your domain if there are even a couple of complaints from US companies about something (without giving you any way to counter those perhaps incorrect complaints) or if there's something controversial about what you use the domain for (not piracy, let's say religious stuff or advocating drug legalization/decriminalization), they spend a huge amount of money advertising on TV to markets that know nothing about computers (nascar, football, ads with women with big tits), they have poor support and try to upsell every time you visit them...

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 01:50:52 pm
content: If the OP wants a .au domain name, then it has to be purchased through a registrar that is authorised by theAUDA.Maximum registration for a .au domain is 2 years.Most registrars will provide DNS hosting for a domain, in some cases for free.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 01:51:21 pm
content: The really important thing is you never get web hosting and domain hosting with the same company.You need to have the freedom to be able to switch hosting companies at will in spite of any argument you have with a hosting company.When a web hosting company thinks your web site has caused them harm - they might even think you have used it for malicious purposes - they can suspend your domain (if they are the registrar) and web site, and they will not even let you access your domain until you have paid the fine they have charged to recompense them for their expenses in fixing the mess, and for any fine they feel they have the right to charge you.The other thing to be aware of is with most domain hosts, "owning a domain" often means you have the domain as long as as the registrar behaves. You probably have no written contract with the registrar, and they totally control your domain. If the registrar goes bust, or misbehaves (as has happened in the past), you loose the domain and it may be a fight getting it back. There is no central Internet body that tracks domain ownership of domains outside the registrars, so the only record is the registrars database. If your lucky, if the registrar was a reseller of another larger registrar, the hosting registrar may be able to recover the domains just like Enom did when one of their resellers got into big trouble a few years ago. In general though, you are totally dependant upon whoever has control of the database of a registrar's domains.Even registrars that shouldn't be able to fail can fail incredibly quickly if they are seen to fail to report security breaches in a proper and accurate way. DigiNotar that provided the SSL certificates to the Dutch Government was put out of business in a few months when the major browsers decided to no longer trust it as an authority after they were seen to fail to communicate a major breach for months. Other registrars that have been breached but openly reported problems immediately have been allowed to continue without any problem. What this means is no matter how big a registrar is, one very bad decision by a chief executive of a registrar and the site along with all the customers license's can be wiped from the Internet almost overnight.If you have a domain that is really valuable, think about what registrars may give the most security, rather then what registrars are the cheapest. A written contract would be good. A web payment system with payments that do not identify the domain means you may not have any evidence from the registrar you even own a domain.If you use any of the features to hide your identification by using proxy details and proxy email addresses owned by the registrar, you find you are not even listed as an owner in a whois listing. As far as the world knows, you do not own the domain - the registrar does.Richard.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 02:04:36 pm
content: Quote from: amspire on April 17, 2013, 01:51:21 pmI'm not familiar with .au domains, but in general whoever is listed as the administrative contact in the whois data for a domain can transfer it to another register. ICANN has rules governing this, although it can be a pain.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 02:24:33 pm
content: Quote from: alm on April 17, 2013, 02:04:36 pmICANN has rules but they have no way to enforce them - it is up to the registrar to voluntarily enforce them. When a registrar has been in trouble and ICANN has threatened to get involved, as soon as the threat of big law suits comes up, ICANN in the past has stayed well clear. A registrar may have tens or hundreds of million domains - many extremely valuable to the companies that won them, and ICANN does not have the financial resources to get into the middle of a legal quagmire.I am thinking of one case in the past of a registrar with millions of domains that was in financial and internal trouble and many totally wrong things were done to domains. ICANN was unable to get involved in any significant way, even though rules were clearly broken.If ICANN were to attempt to suspend a registrar for not following the rules, it would not be just the registrar suing them, there would be thousands of major business severely financially hurt by the loss of their domains, and if the registrar is not worth suing, then ICANN is the best target.ICANN has no ability to take domains away from a registrar while retaining the clients domain ownership, as ICANN has no database of domain ownership or domain configuration. At best, they can take a registrars domains killing all the recovered domains.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 02:41:03 pm
content: Check hostso, for 20€ at years it give you 200gb and a lot of other things

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 02:45:19 pm
content: Quote from: alm on April 17, 2013, 02:04:36 pmWhich is why I warned about ticking the option offered by the registrar to hide you private details in Whois behind proxy names and email addresses owned by the registrar. This means if you want the Whois record to show you are the owner, it means you have to publicly list a valid name, address, phone number and email address. Anyone can see this information. Failure to list valid details is grounds for the registrar to suspend your domain.If you have no whois listing you can print out as "evidence" you did own a domain, and you have no payment receipts or documents from the registrar mentioning the domain, no contract - how are you going to prove you own the domain in a dispute?

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 03:01:58 pm
content: Namecheap.com 's Whoisguard basically generates a unique email address and fills that whois information with their data and the email address they generate. Anything emailed to that email address gets forwarded to the email address of your account on Namecheap.http://www.namecheap.com/products/whoisguard.aspxNormally , you also get invoices so you have proof you bought the domain and it's still registered on your name even though the whois info is not available. You still have to fill the whois correctly but it won't be visible to regular people when you have the Whoisguard service enabled.Namecheap tells you to fill it as required by icann but they don't really enforce it (as in asking for id to verify that what you fill is correct), they're just required by ICANN to tell you that the information must be correct and they email you probably twice a year to warn you.As far as I understand, if there's an issue with the domain and you can't be reached using the whois information by ICANN, they can penalize Namecheap or even "confiscate" your domain.Think for example if you have a domain that happens to contain with a word that's trademarked in some country (like coke or ford or Pepsi or whatever) and maybe you didn't realize that, or you realized that but it's a fan website or some sort of site that legally is allowed to use that trademarked work (there are exceptions). If that company Ford or Coke or Pepsi complains to ICANN about the domain, and ICANN tries to contact you and the whois is fake, that company wins by default and you lose the domain, even though you could have had full rights to use the domain with trademarked word legally and you could have responded to the complaint and win.As far as I understand, the Whoisguard service will give ICANN or other institutions that are allowed to get the info (police, court orders etc) the real whois information, the whois info otherwise is just hidden from regular people.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 03:20:44 pm
content: Whoisguard.com is Namecheap. So it all comes down to trusting Namecheap. The registrar that failed had a similar service, and people using it complained of losing their domains as a result. They couldn't initiate a transfer when the contact emails were no longer forwarded to them.

author: smashedProton
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 07:25:06 pm
content: For my personal blog (low traffic) I host it from my home. I host from a desktop computer that I built from junk a couple months ago. My DNS is afraid.org. It is a fast and free service. You can check my blog for more information on the subject. I purchased my domain from godaddy.com. The cost of the desktop breaks even at only two months time

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 17, 2013, 08:29:21 pm
content: Leaving aside that it's against TOS of some ISPs, a major problem with hosting from home is that the ISPs often voluntarily submit the IP classes given to home users to blacklist systems, so that mail servers reject mail going from people's computers to other servers.For example, the IP my ISP gives me is submitted to spamhaus and other systems and appears in a special category (not as an IP that previously spammed, it's a sort of "residential users" classes)The ports are not blocked, I can connect to my own mail server that's on a dedicated server in another country, but I couldn't set up a mail server on my home IP. Other mail servers would refuse to work with mail coming from my mail server installed at home, on my local IP.There are solutions like sendgrid.com and the likes, but you still end up paying a few dollars just to send mail but then you might as well buy a shared hosting account, or spend a few dollars to establish a small company (that does nothing, doesn't matter, just to say you have a company) which the gives you the ability to subscribe to a business account from the ISP (which gets you a really static ip, not one that changes once every 8-12 months or so, and it's a different IP class, allowing anything)

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 12:05:27 am
content: OK, thanks for the replies; there is a lot to chew on here. Putting aside domain registration for the moment, if I sign up for a typical hosting plan such as one of those offered by Webcity am I automatically given a "personal", non-commercial generic web address to use, as I am with the ISP currently providing my broadband connection?

author: Mike Warren
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 12:29:26 am
content: Quote from: GK on April 18, 2013, 12:05:27 amNot usually, no.If you don't need massive performance, I might have something very cheap you may be interested in, including a web address. (see my web site for one example) PM or email me if you are interested.

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 12:33:20 am
content: I assume you're given a public, do-what-you-want-with-it account. The ISP only gives you something for personal use because they don't want the liability and don't want to promise anything.A paid hosting account should allow you to do anything legal, host a business website, whatever you want.You would get disk space on a server and access to a control panel in which you can add your domain name (or several domain names) once you buy it/them...You would probably access that control panel from an address that may look like server150.mywebcity.com.au/cpanel ... the company will tell you how to access the control panel.From the same control panel, once you add a domain to the control panel and make the connection between the domain name and your hosting account from the domain name's control panel (at the other company, from where you bought the domain), the control panel with either create a FTP account automatically for you, or give you the option to create a FTP account for that domain, so you will then be able to copy files to the server's disk, in a folder that will be automatically available online at the address http:// your domain name /Without a domain name configured, you won't be able to do much, and I don't think you'd be be able to just upload something there and give links to those files to people.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 12:37:00 am
content: Quote from: GK on April 18, 2013, 12:05:27 amIn the back of my mind, I seem to remember that Webcity are not using Australian-based hosting if that is what you are after. I am not sure about that. I may be wrong.The restriction on mailboxes until you get up to the $10 seems unnecessary - the 0 mailboxes for the $5.95/month plan does seem unusual.I have not used Webcity, but if you are after 50GBytes, you have to look at the websites conditions for what kind of data you intend to store. Many hosting companies insist on website data only, and do not like sites being used for general storage. They may have rules against storing files that are probably copyright including large media files and programs. They do not like a site being used for backups. The truth is most of the time, they couldn't be bothered checking, so it is only when they have a problem (like someone is using excessive disk space on the shared drive) that they invoke the rules as a way to force you to reduce your files. Read the fine print before you sign. Some sites limit the size of certain types of media files, so you have to zip a big media file in order to be allowed to upload it.The way all the sites offering big space - like 50GBytes - work is that they have hundreds and often thousands of people sharing a single server, and most users probably have less then 1GByte stored on their site. Many websites are only a few MBytes. So it is usually no problem coping with a few customers who genuinely need 50GBytes. So as long as there is still plenty of disk space, they will not complain about one customer using a lot of space.Be careful about signing up with a credit card with automatic payments each year. Sometimes there are issues with hosting companies getting them to stop the deductions. I either pay manually, or use scheduled payments from Paypal since I can cancel the Paypal automatic deductions myself without having to ask the hosting provider.I have not used Webcity, so I cannot comment in detail. I have been using Site5.com for years now and I find them extremely good. I have a reseller account and a single site account. In the past, I have had over 50GBytes in my single site account without any problem. Site5 have a point system for monitoring how much resources each user is consuming - particularly CPU and memory resources. If your use is going over the limit, they can throttle you. This is actually pretty good, since it stops one of the other thousand users on your server from making your site run like a dog. You just have to watch out for using, say, Wordpress plugins that end up using enormous CPU time.Richard.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 12:47:34 am
content: Quote from: GK on April 18, 2013, 12:05:27 amNot officially, but effectively you are.When you sign up, you have to give a username, and a domain name that you intend to register - say "mydomainname12345.com". Now the site will usually still work if you never get around to registering your domain name since you can usually access the site via the server name or IP plus your username.So if the server IP is 111.222.111.222 and your username is gk, then you can usually access the site with:http://111.222.111.222/~gkAlternatively, the server will have a name such as "server55.webcity.com", and you could usehttp://server55.webcity.com/~gkUsing a site like this could upset a particular hosting company - that is an unknown. I have regularly done this with my Site5 reseller account to make temporary web sites that I may only need for a week or so. It saves the need to register a new domain just for the temporary site.Richard.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 03:37:55 am
content: Quote from: mariush on April 18, 2013, 12:33:20 amQuoteOK, I guess continuing with my current homepage and hyper linking all of the content (if possible) from the host provider server would also be potentially asking for trouble. So, in order to keep eveything above board, I guess I'm stuck with having to register a domain. I think the best and most foolproof way to get around the worst of the privacy issue is to simply register a PO box. That is only in the order of $20 - $30 per year and means I won't have to register the domain under my residential address.

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 06:38:17 am
content: Quote from: GK on April 18, 2013, 03:37:55 amI'm not sure whey there is a difference between the whois administrator details on, say, eevblog.com and my domain, port-huon.com.au. Perhaps it's because one is a .au domain and the rules are different? Perhaps it's because my domain is registered to a business under anABN?

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 06:54:18 am
content: Quote from: GeoffS on April 18, 2013, 06:38:17 amYes. Different domain authority - different rules. The .com.au and .net.au are restricted to businesses and commercial authorities. Non commercial groups like individuals and charities can use .id.au or .org.au. That is the theory anyway..com domains do not have any real restrictions and no ABN number is required.The different authorities for top level domains like .com, .com.au, etc is the reason the costs vary so much for the different domains. Aunic which is now called adDA (http://www.auda.org.au/domains/au-domains/) controls all the domains ending in ".au".

author: JuKu
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 07:34:48 am
content: Quote from: Balaur on April 17, 2013, 12:55:06 pmSome providers (I have a site on bluehost) will also host whois information for small fee. Whois shows bluehost only. If you need to contact the site owner, you contact bluehost, and they'll contact you if necessary. I think that is money well spent.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 09:06:26 am
content: Quote from: GK on April 17, 2013, 12:33:34 pmYes, it is that cheap and easy.I used to host ALL my websites, plus the EEVblog, plus the forum, plus the video podcast files all on a <$10/month shared server like this..com/.org Domain names are <$10/year.QuoteYes, but many providers let you use a privacy service for a few bucks more. Most will offer this (ad zillion more things) at the checkout.I use HostMonster and HostGator, and I'd recommend both.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 09:10:56 am
content: Quote from: GK on April 17, 2013, 01:11:12 pmI used to use a privacy service, but I have a lot of domain names, so it added up. Once I got the PO Box I simply used that.You can of course put in fake address, but that is against the terms of service.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 09:13:39 am
content: Quote from: GeoffS on April 18, 2013, 06:38:17 amProbably.I now have my own domain; a very imaginatively named:http://www.glensstuff.com/I ended up going with Namecheap with Whois protection.I have also signed up with Site5, have linked to my domain and can upload/download/delete files. Yahoo However at this point, having spent the last hour trawling through all of the options at Site5's "Backstage" I still have absolutely no frigging idea on how to actually put up a webpage. I mean, what do I have to name my home page (the main page that will come up when logging ontowww.glensstuff.com) *.htm file and which folder do I put it into? That basic bit of information does not seem to be readily available. All Backstage seems to offer is some application called "RVsitedeveloper" or something that appears to be a complete heap of crap.I have to give this a rest now an have dinner.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 11:12:10 am
content: Not having any luck here..............I've tried all 4 common permutations of the homepage file:index.htmindex.htmldefault.htmdefault.htmlThey are placed in the "public_html" directory.Still doesn't show when logging onto my domain URL.I also noticed the default .htaccess file in the "public_html" directory contained no command lines for specifying the default file path. So I added the line:DirectoryIndex index.htmlStill doesn't work. The answer is probably buried somewhere deep in some incompetently categorized FAQ .................

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 12:24:40 pm
content: Quote from: GK on April 18, 2013, 09:13:39 amIf your web host provider is any good at all, you will have cPanel control with SimpleScripts or Softaculous single click installers.You can single click install Wordpress (like my blog), or anything else like this forum with a single click.I'd recommend simply having a wordpress site. That way you can just add new pages and content with ease.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 12:27:52 pm
content: Quote from: GK on April 18, 2013, 11:12:10 amThen your domain name has either not propagated fully yet (it takes time), or your doman name servere is not set up correctly.Because I use a separate company for my domain names and my websites, I have to tell my domain name provider the DNS name server address of my web host providers. e.g. ns1.hostmonster.comIf you do both through to same company, they should handle that for you, instantly.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 12:28:38 pm
content: Quote from: GK on April 18, 2013, 09:13:39 amYour site works fine for me.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 12:33:26 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 18, 2013, 12:28:38 pmIt didn't 10 minutes ago, now it works for me too, but all the pictures are missing.Work in progress I guess...

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 01:01:04 pm
content: SAY WHAT???It isn't working for me at all. I haven't uploaded any pictures yet was I've been trying in vain just to get the bloody bare html to load. I have set the dns settings as appropriate for the host Site5 with the domain registrar (custom nameservers dns.site5.com and dns2.site5.com), but it still doesn't work for me.All I get (IE or Mozilla) is the parked domain page as attached:Is it still working for you?

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 01:06:10 pm
content: Look here:

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 01:18:37 pm
content: What the ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I just deleted all of my temporary internet files and cleared my cache. I still get the same (attached)Could this somehow be cached by my ISP? Does that make sense? How the hell can the site come up for you guys and not me??Also, can anyone who knows their DNS and protocols see anything amiss here:http://www.intodns.com/glensstuff.com

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 01:23:15 pm
content: Quote from: GK on April 18, 2013, 01:18:37 pmIt has to do with DNS propagation which is complex business and can take time, up to 24-48 hours in some cases.So yes, this is normal that some people can see it and some people can't for a while. If you know the direct IP address you can bypass that.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 01:39:27 pm
content: OK, no worries.Thanks for your help. I don't know the direct IP address but I suppose I would be able to find that somewhere at the domain registrars website? However I'm logging off now and going to bed. With any luck them DNSs will have propagated by tomorrow evening.I really wish a host like Site5 could simply describe basic setup procedures and issues like these in comprehensive and clearly categorized text files instead of some idiotic "Knowledge base" where one has to embark on veritable fishing mission. It sure has been a frustrating learning experience this evening trying to figure all of this out as a complete newb.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2013, 01:55:17 pm
content: www.glensstuff.comis working for me. Looks like you have some very interesting pages.If anyone cannot get it yet, this direct link will work:http://50.22.11.25/~glensstu/Looks like the links still point to a site athttp://www.users.on.net/~glenk/.

author: BurtyB
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2013, 12:16:22 am
content: Quote from: amspire on April 17, 2013, 02:24:33 pmThis isn't quite true - ICANN can (and does) de-accredit registrars - there should be real registrant information held in escrow for the new registrar to take over the registrations.Chris.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2013, 02:26:59 am
content: Quote from: BurtyB on April 19, 2013, 12:16:22 amDe-accrediting a registrar that has been registered for less then 12 months is very different to de-accrediting a major registrar with potentially billions of dollars of class action damages from clients following a de-accreditiation. Do you really think that ICANN would de-accredit a company like GoDaddy and have a sizeable chunk of the internet disappear following a failure to meet the ICANN rules?It is interesting. ICANN has had the rules about escrow since 2001, but back then, everybody ignored the rules. ICANN got itself into a huge mess with the failed registrar in 2006/7 and started to get serious about the escrow system in 2009. It is nice in theory, but that database is basically the sole valuable asset of a big registrar. Even if there is an escrow, it could take months at least of serious legal work for ICANN to be able to give the data to another registrar.Being a registrar is like printing money, so while a registrar is in good financial health, I am sure they want to be on the good side of ICANN. You get an ongoing source of income for not doing much at all.The whole problem is when a registrar does go bust, and the owners or receivers are clinging on to their only asset fiercely - the database. Once that database is given away to another registrar, the failed registrar is worth absolutely nothing to creditors. ICANN failed badly in 2006/2007 leaving customers without control of their domains for in some cases over 6 months. Many domains were totally lost and never returned. It took 12 months from the time the registrar started having problems to the time the courts gave their final rulings against the registrar.That is the point I am making. Yes, there are rules, but if you have a valuable domain, can you afford it to be down for perhaps 6 months while the rules are being applied? This is why you need to pick a registrar that seems to be a good quality registrar if you have a valuable domain, because it really comes down to trusting the registrar.Richard.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2013, 04:48:39 am
content: Quote from: amspire on April 18, 2013, 01:55:17 pmYes, all I have done so far is put of copy of my currently existing homepage html onto the new host server, just to see it work; and it is for me now (actually since yesterday morning). My current site is a bit of an unfinished mess; I started it but always lacked incentive to expand it much as I knew an alternative host/domain will eventually need to sought due to the 50MB limit. However now that that problem is overcome I'll be able to start constructing a site half decent with a great deal more content.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2013, 06:11:53 am
content: If you have never used it before, packages like Wordpress that you can load in a few click is worth looking at. The thing is it means you can edit web pages in the browser a bit like editing EEVBlog forum pages. You can also easily add plugins that do tasks like warn you if any files change on the website. Useful to warn you if a hacker manages to break into the site and alters some of your pages.Also I find it good to have SSH access. If your package does not have it by default, you can raise a ticket to ask for it. It allows you to use something like WinSCP to seccurely connect and transfer files, and by using a SSH window (like Putty), you can do direct Linux commands liketar czvf site_backup_2013_04_20.tgz public_htmlto backup your web site into a file site_backup_2013_04_20.tgz. Any good archiving package should be able to work with tgz files as easily as zip files. tgz files retain all the correct Linux file permissions.I will look forward to see how your site develops.

author: GK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2013, 03:40:41 am
content: Hmmmmmmmmmm..........To date all of my HTML has been done in note pad. Uploading in DOS using the ftp command but recently installed Filezilla (geez does that make it easier!). Probably safer........"Hi Glen,We wanted to take this time to pass along information regarding serious security vulnerabilities recently discovered in two very popular WordPress plugins. They are:- WP Super Cache- W3 Total CacheThese plugins have been reported as having a security hole that allows a hacker to control your WordPress installation by using a method called Remote Code Execution, which in this case is fairly simple to exploit. The good news is that the developers of both plugins have released a security update, disabling the vulnerable functions.Customers that are running WordPress, with WP Super Cache or W3 Total Cache installed, should immediately log in to their WordPress administration panel and upgrade the plugins as soon as possible in order to prevent the vulnerability from being exploited. Please note that if you have the plugins installed but they are not activated, it is still imperative that you update them, or delete them entirely.If you have any questions regarding this email, please let us know by opening a ticket within Backstage (https://backstage.site5.com)!Thank you,The Site5 Team"