AKS Gold detector - find gold up to a distance of 5km..... wtf, scam - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: OE2WHP
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 08:03:39 am
content: I recently stumbled upon this website:https://www.goldaks.com/They are claiming to sell a gold detector that works over a hilarious distance, quote: "based on ion technology emitted from magnetic fields buried in the ground"."A valuable and important part of our product is of course the mother board, which is encrypted in this panel and the formula for our unique algorithm developed over decades. This algorithm is the secret of our success.""Laser Distance Sensor (LDS) Intelligent scanning for high efficiency. Allows the device to scan its surroungings at 360 degrees, 3600 times per second"The chinese knockoffs can even detect diamonds.etc....Retail price starts at $2.700,-google for "aks detector" There are a lot of websites out there, selling this POS.What do you think?

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 08:27:44 am
content: This is a tricky one. They have a device which can detect gold worth millions and millions of dollars, and they have a need to sell the device to other people. What do you think, true or scam?

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 08:39:18 am
content: With butt plug handle included.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 09:29:55 am
content: Quote from: Kalvin on July 19, 2018, 08:27:44 amPerhaps they're agoraphobic and can't go out to find the millions and millions of dollars for themselves?Maybe they're philanthropists?

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 09:41:25 am
content: Would they send the device to a customer, and the customer will pay the device with the gold they find? No royalties for the gold found? They aren't too clever marketing people after all, so they have to be philanthropists.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 09:47:51 am
content: "GOLD AKS, which are classified and located in the United States in Texas and Israel in Silicon Valley"So why does the voiceover sound like Chinglish, or at least certainly not scripted by a native English speaker.

author: OE2WHP
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:17:04 am
content: The adress in Austin is not a plant, its just an office building. The same is true for the Tel Aviv adress.Besides that, I am not aware of any known physical mechanism that would allow to detect different material, including non conductive stuff like diamonds burried 70m deep and 5km away from the detector, using earths magnetig field, ions and antennas.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:24:03 am
content: I bet they're just reselling the same Chinese crap they're accusing of being fake.Like this onehttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/25M-Deepth-Gold-detectors-exploration-detector-handheld-detection-system-With-Antenna-metal-finder-for-silver-copper/32868193737.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.39.4e156fe2uGFSRJ&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10130_10068_10324_10547_10342_10325_10343_10340_10548_10341_10696_10192_10190_10084_10083_10618_10307_10820_10301_10821_10303_10059_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_7&algo_expid=95bbd1d0-dd76-426d-aa43-f54b18b536bb-8&algo_pvid=95bbd1d0-dd76-426d-aa43-f54b18b536bb&priceBeautifyAB=0Which incidentally is well inside my "buy for teardown" limit. Stay tuned....

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:29:19 am
content: Just for a laugh and out of curiosity silly me went looking for Youtube videos in regards to "long range detection" and in particular the comments sections, I really wish I hadn't now, I discovered there are those who actually believe in this garbage and are using gadgets such as these as a type of beeping dowsing device.Disturbing stuff I must say.

author: Koen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:44:50 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on July 19, 2018, 10:24:03 amNo this is only true veritable device. Here happy customer for you knowledgeQuote

author: Kalvin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:49:51 am
content: I wonder why these guys don't use the AKS Gold Detector:"Yukon Gold"https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2758692/They would get much more money using AKS Gold Detector compared to the money they get from the reality show.Ps. Why Ahmad is only a Silver Member, although he has bought AKS Gold Detector?

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:51:15 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on July 19, 2018, 09:47:51 amThe citations from 'satisfied customers' read in a startlingly similar way to the rest of the site, hmmmm, could it be that they were written by the same people?

author: Koen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:56:47 am
content: To be honest, I'm considering buying one. I've emailed them about a very-short-range version as I'm subject to electromagnetic hypersensitivity.

author: OE2WHP
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:58:47 am
content: Talking about testimonials, this is my favorite:Quote

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 08:23:55 pm
content: Youcandetect gold from a distance, using spectrometry and an excitation source, say a laser.. but if you have something that can bore through 5km of rock or soil, you can just sell that as a weapon.That said, an affordable portable laser spectrometer for prospecting purposes would be wonderful. Detecting just elemental metals like gold, silver, platinum, and palladium would suffice.

author: tsman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:01:32 pm
content: Looks like an upgraded version of theADE 651with multiple WiFi antennas instead of a single FM radio antenna! The ADE 651 was a far bigger + dodgier scam though with the kickbacks and bribes that meant some places actually used it for bomb detection

author: filssavi
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2018, 10:27:29 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 19, 2018, 08:23:55 pmI what you described already exists and it is sold by Olympus (the ones doing cameras and microscopes) it uses X-ray fluorescence spectroscopy and tells you the elemental make up of almost anything, they are less useful/precise with light elements but for heavier stuff like silver and gold they are perfectThey are battery powered and remind a heat gun in shape and size

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2018, 01:19:29 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 19, 2018, 08:23:55 pmExactly. Metal detecting is rubbish, spectroscopy is where it's at. There are plenty of handheld spectrometers on the market.There are also bore-hole laser spectrometers. However, they are terrible ugly machines that look like a ton of air conditioners strapped to a back-hoe.I personally had the idea of a small and portable fluoroscope device (using similar but a bit stronger emitters/detectors than the handhelds) that could simply be attached to the end of a cable and lowered down the hole and sample the walls on the way down. You could choose between wired or battery operated wireless versions.

author: Gregg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2018, 02:32:05 am
content: Here is a picture of some rocks from a very rich gold vein deep inside a hard rock mine; note the tiny little chunks of gold that I have circled. With real detecting equipment these possibly could be detected at 5 Centimeters. The fancy x-ray device that Cody's Lab has might be able to give a reasonable assay.History has proven that the suppliers to fools rushing for gold have a much better business plan than the gold seekers.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2018, 03:55:02 am
content: Quote from: Gregg on July 20, 2018, 02:32:05 amThose are bigger than the nuggets I've ever panned!Well, maybe not, but definitely in the same approx. 1-2mm diameter range.That said, I was thinking of a contact meter that could detect trace amounts (of a few precious metals) from a freshly chipped stone face, not a tool for locating mineable veins or actual nuggets...(The "mother lode" part was supposed to be a joke. There are interesting formations in Northern Finland, including completely eroded old volcanoes, with just the "magma pipe" (not a geologist, don't know the correct term) parts left, and the bedrock on the surface; not much soil. It'd be interesting to just go for a trek, chip some stones, and see what lies under the surface, mapping some out.)

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2018, 05:38:17 am
content: Quote from: filssavi on July 19, 2018, 10:27:29 pmI saw one of those once when I hauled in a load of scrap material from my friend's machine shop. There were a few good sized chunks machined out of billet alloy and the guy at the scrapyard had a handheld device that showed the precise makeup of the alloy. Seemed practically magic, at the time I'd never seen anything like it.

author: filssavi
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2018, 06:13:13 am
content: The usefulness of these devices for alloy identification really depends on the base material, the biggest problem for them is steel. where this systems can give you only a rough idea of which type of steel you are looking at, this is because the most important alloying element in steel is carbon and it is almost impossible to get a correct reading for it due to surface contamination which is difficult to eliminate in a vacuum (in SEM systems with XRF capability）and basically impossible in the field

author: Kleinstein
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2018, 08:36:41 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on July 19, 2018, 08:23:55 pmThe golden color of gold is not very specific. So one can not really distinguish gold from other materials that look like it by optical spectroscopy.Xray florescent spectroscopy works, but is an rather expensive instrument and may need a special permit because of the radiation involved.

author: OE2WHP
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2018, 10:56:36 am
content: Wait, they are not talking about detecting gold that is exposed. They are talking about detecting gold that is burried 70m and 5km away, like captain Jack Sparrow's compass pointing to what he wanted most .Spectroscopy won't work that way. So no, there is no such technology that could do, what these people claim.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2018, 03:59:18 pm
content: Quote from: OE2WHP on July 20, 2018, 10:56:36 amFlouroscopy can go several inches, but the power required to go even over a foot would require some sort of massive X-ray laser or something. Maybe one day when we go mining asteroids or something we'll have spectrometers strong enough to go that far, but that would still be impractical (and dangerous) on Earth.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2018, 04:36:10 pm
content: Quote from: filssavi on July 20, 2018, 06:13:13 amMakes sense. In this case it was aluminum, prices on steel scrap were so low at the time they'd usually just give it to one of the roving scrappers who would stop by occasionally rather than pay somebody to haul a load to cash it in.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 01:31:49 pm
content: It's arrived... just in time for the Lunar Eclipse

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 01:43:52 pm
content: Huh, that's top notch, it only detects the very best of things, even "diam"onds!?!?! (what's the "diam" setting for?) None of that rusty ferrous rubbish.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 01:56:30 pm
content: Well this solves the mystery of the second box.It's just a 315MHz remote keyfob, with a huge nicad or NiMH pac, the sole purpose of which is to keep the green "on" light lit.Pressing the buttons lights the corresponding LED on the back of the main unit. Meanwhile a "scanner" LED on the main unit cycles an RGB fade sequence that looks a lot like those LEDs with built-in effects...Surprisingly it does work from inside the aluminium extruded case.Main unit feels like it might be potted.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 01:58:56 pm
content: A generous antenna.

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 02:03:04 pm
content: Quote from: KalvinThey sound like the folks I did a job for many years ago ... (usual rich arabs) ... they asked if I could make them a metal detector that could work to a depthof 10Mtrs or so ... and and .. detect other precious metals ... and and ... display the approximate worth (so they wouldn't bother digging it up if it wasn't worth it) ..Just for fun I suggested that it could be operated from a low flying helicopter - you can cover MUCH more ground faster !!That got them excited !! "You make us one and we'll pay you $10,000 CASH ... no wait $20,000 CASH .... ok after we make enough to cover costs of course"Yup, they're out there and STILL breeding !!

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 02:04:00 pm
content: Damn, i am late with my prediction you will find a LED and a capacitor/resistor inside.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 02:06:37 pm
content: X-ray shows what looks like a small ferrite rod antenna at the end of the plastic nose. Scope shows 60Khz signal.It beeps if you take the end within an inch or so of a large metal object. Metal type setting makes no difference.By bet is it's the same as a cheap DIY buried pipe detector, so their description as being a metal detector is actually true...

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 02:07:51 pm
content: Quote from: digsys on July 27, 2018, 02:03:04 pm

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 02:11:01 pm
content: May be a while before I get to look further - need to shot a video intro before it meets mister bandsaw for further investigation..

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2018, 02:18:27 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on July 27, 2018, 02:11:01 pmOh I can't wait*grabs popcorn and cola*

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2018, 03:10:51 am
content: Quote from: Bud on July 27, 2018, 02:07:51 pmLOL, lazy idiots probably couldn't figure out a value from a percent/concentration number anyway. Doing that automatically would require an internet connection to a server and everything else (to track market prices).

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2018, 06:10:49 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on July 28, 2018, 03:10:51 amOr better yet, a GSM module that sent me a text to alert me of their findings

author: OE2WHP
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2019, 09:13:10 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on July 27, 2018, 02:11:01 pmhas it met Mr. bandsaw yet?Regards

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2019, 09:53:54 am
content: Quote from: OE2WHP on March 08, 2019, 09:13:10 amNot yet - too busy!

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 08, 2019, 10:26:03 am
content: From the aliexpress link:QuoteExpect some tapping and rapping on your workshop door Mike, that'll be the support tech fluttering in to set the device up for its operational modeNo wonder your initial results during the solar eclipse were underwhelming.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 08, 2019, 10:30:45 am
content: Looks like this device is basically intended to be sold by hustlers to gullible marks, it's all set up to give an impressive demonstration by having an assistant pressing the remote buttons at the right times.

author: LapTop006
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 08, 2019, 11:44:11 am
content: Quote from: janekm on March 08, 2019, 10:26:03 amNo gold found, nevermore.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2019, 01:10:43 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on July 27, 2018, 02:06:37 pmIt's surprising there's active electronics in there... I was expecting something more like the fake bomb detectors:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadro_Tracker

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2019, 04:29:55 pm
content: There are plenty of metal detectors that can distinguish metal types, they couldn't even be bothered to make it actually do that.

author: kaz911
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2019, 09:41:10 am
content: There are some gold miners who are using “wireless detection” and fly over to spot possible gold deposits. But it got something to do with what else is present around gold usually - that emits some ?Ions? which are detectable from the air.So it does not detect the gold - and would not find a dropped gold coin. But apparently they can find the ore with it.Last I heard about it was on Frank Curzio interview with one of the miners - 2-3 weeks ago. I think this is the podcast:https://www.curzioresearch.com/the-incredible-story-of-a-not-so-typical-gold-miner/If it works or not I do not knowbut Frank Curzio is (apart from sounding like a US boiler room trader) - quite often right on his market predictions.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2019, 01:03:32 pm
content: Quote from: kaz911 on March 10, 2019, 09:41:10 amSounds very much like dowsing. Substitute "ions" for whatever BS excuse of the day, it works equally well.Now there are some remote sensing techniques using even satellite imaging - but those work by detecting geological changes/discontinuities using hyperspectral images to map out promising areas for further exploration.e.g.:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222300125_Detecting_areas_of_high-potential_gold_mineralization_using_ASTER_dataorhttp://www.fcnym.unlp.edu.ar/catedras/geofoto/geo_html/informacion/pdf/the_use_of_remote_sensing.pdf

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2019, 05:52:05 pm
content: Would it be possible to have a long range spectrometer? Sort of like Star Trek sensors. I mean, the power output might be quite dangerous, so you'd have to clear the area before scanning.

author: IanMacdonald
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 10, 2019, 06:42:49 pm
content: Did some experiments with metal detecting many years ago, and found that the two coil T/R induction type is best for general use. It's relatively easy to discriminate between iron and nonferrous metals, but discriminating between nonferrous metals is hard as there is essentially no difference in the magnetic effects of aluminium or precious metals. Gold or silver gives a stronger signal per mass because of its better conductivity, but then a drinks can is larger than a ring or coin so that cancels out. Interestingly I did find that cupronickel allow such as some UK coins are made of could be identified by its magnetic reluctance, albeit only at close range.I can't imagine a ferrite rod would be any use except for very short range, the larger the diameter of air-cored coil you can manage, the better the depth penetration.

author: Blocco
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 11, 2019, 02:17:21 pm
content: The main PCB appears to be from a cheap MD300 handheld metal detector.http://www.longrangelocators.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19073

author: Deodand2014
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 12, 2019, 08:06:44 am
content: You can always build your own, this schematic dates from 2004, guaranteed to find even microscopic amounts of gold, which is why when you dig you'll end up with an empty hole in the ground...Carl Moreland: BasicMolecularFrequencyDiscriminator (MFD) Projecthttps://www.geotech1.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=/projects/mfd1/index.dat

author: newbrain
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 12, 2019, 11:57:23 am
content: Quote from: Deodand2014 on March 12, 2019, 08:06:44 amEven better!The last paragraph of that page is a gold nugget:QuoteI'm pretty confident that with its help one will be able to dig out protons, neutron and electrons in various combinations.