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author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 09:32:21 am
content: Taken fromhttps://redmondmag.com/blogs/scott-bekker/2019/01/windows-10-microsofts-forever-os.aspxOn one hand :QuoteOn the other hand ...It's all very clear and makes total sense in pure Microsoft fashion:

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 06:06:36 pm
content: It's kinda the opposite of web browsers

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 08:23:30 pm
content: Forever OS... I'd say you're forever screwed with it, yes.As to web browsers, the whole thing with versions is actually more similar than it appears. Like, Mozilla has suddenly switched (I don't remember the exact date, that was quite a while ago) from a traditional versioning to a versioning that makes no sense anymore (major versions are definitely not incremented when major features are added now), mainly to compete with other browsers (namely Chrome I think, which already had inflated version numbers?). Like, so there, my version is bigger than yours.I'm not even kidding. Apparently having a lower version number would make people think that the product is inferior or something.But ultimately, it's just the same bullshit. Version numbers are now just used as a marketing tool. I guess MS had no problem switching to a "forever" version 10 (well, until they change their mind), because the main competitor on the desktop, MacOS, was also at number 10 (X) and hasn't increased it in a long time now. Had Apple decided to release a MacOS XI, XII, or XX, I'm pretty sure MS would have thought about the versioning thing a bit more. But Windows still has "major updates" (although they are certainly less major than a typical new OS version). They just use the build number now to make them remembered (and usually they ARE remembered by how much they screw up). What a change!

author: chickenHeadKnob
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2019, 08:53:17 pm
content: To borrow a phrase from forum member coppercone, Windows has officially become a "Troll product".I guess you could say it was one for a long time already, but now they are admitting it.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 14, 2019, 01:03:36 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on December 13, 2019, 09:32:21 amI think they mean Windows 10 is the last version of Windows people will ever use before they ditch it entirely in favour of Linux because of how terrible Windows has become.

author: Daixiwen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2019, 08:59:45 am
content: They are just doing the same shit as before but calling all versions of Windows "Windows 10"And now before downloading a 8Gb development environement you will have to find out if it is compatible with the latest Windows 10 1909 or if you need to go back to Windows 10 1803The next few years will be fun!

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2019, 09:04:35 am
content: Once you W10-ed ... your soul belong to MS.Like a food, it will rot once its time.->When will you get the next version of Windows 10?

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 16, 2019, 09:38:34 am
content: Version numbers aren't even date codes but look like they might beThis is ludicrous

author: Daixiwen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2019, 10:40:40 am
content: It looks like they wanted to copy the Ubuntu release numbers without understanding what they mean

author: ebclr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2019, 07:18:04 pm
content: "And now before downloading a 8Gb development environement you will have to find out if it is compatible with the latest Windows 10 1909 or if you need to go back to Windows 10 1803"This isn't Linux is windows, the Developer environment will work even on Windows XP

author: Daixiwen
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2019, 08:40:29 am
content: You have obviously never used a high quality development environment like Quartus. They have had compatibility issues with almost every new version of Windows, sometimes even with just service packs, and they often remove compatibility with older versions of Windows (Quartus 19.1 Standard is not even supporting Windows 7). And I was optimistic with my 8Gb, it now requires 40 GbIt's in fact a lot more stable with Linux

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2019, 04:58:32 pm
content: Quote from: Daixiwen on December 18, 2019, 08:40:29 amYep. Dev environments for FPGAs are getting ming-boggingly HUGE. Sure FPGAs are complex beasts and some environments actually support a large number of different models, but what can you reasonably fit in 40GB? This is an enormous amount of data. I'd be willing to bet that 80% of that is just byproduct waste (using gigantic software frameworks, etc.)

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 12:19:13 am
content: ..and all this time I thought those numbers were Win 10 BETA Build IDswell, they do sort of perform like it

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 12:24:20 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 14, 2019, 01:03:36 amI hoped this would happen with the release of WinME. Then, I thought, with the release of Vista, surely, people will ditch it. Then Win8 came out..And here we are.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 12:43:40 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 13, 2019, 08:23:30 pmThis drives me absolutely nuts. Software version numbers were carefully crafted to make it simple to identify major releases and minor updates and this process worked perfectly for many years. Then suddenly someone decided to throw this all out the window and now nobody has any idea what version is what aside from whether it's the latest or not, which I suppose is what the software companies want. I hate it though, a distinct point in the lifecycle of virtually all software is where it matures and then they start screwing with it and inevitably ruin it, happens to everything sooner or later. Either that nice simple, elegant program becomes enormously bloated and unbearably slow, or they change the whole UI around and lose useful features.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 01:16:16 am
content: Quote from: james_s on December 19, 2019, 12:43:40 amLOLWhere I come from a 'do one thing and do it well' program can sit on v0.999 for years and it's developer wont kick it over the line.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 02:40:34 am
content: Quote from: james_s on December 19, 2019, 12:43:40 amIt is the reality that many do not realize that it all is at the mercy of top executives and their level of insanity. Just one idiot is all it takes and the company will be turned around, no matter if and what technology policies existed. Just because he/she felt like that one morning or a fellow CEO from another company told him how great it is.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 08:34:00 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 19, 2019, 12:24:20 amSorry mate, Win 7 came out after VistaIn fairness to MS, Windows 2000 was a great relief from the Win ME/98/NT period,as was XP once the service packs came out and hardware drivers for it.Vista was a fiasco, but remedied with service pack 1 and 2,and luckily Win 7 came out to un-Vistafy MS lost faithersWin 8 is ok-ish and Win 8.1 is miles better than Win 10FOREVER BETAEMMV

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 08:45:12 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on December 19, 2019, 08:34:00 amIt's like having a nasty case of the herpes. Keeps coming back.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 19, 2019, 09:33:31 am
content: Windows spin from the past"Where do you want to go today?"Fast Forward 2020:Windows 10: "Listen up m0f0, forget the Where do YOU want to go today? s**t, that's like way over, gone, nada..yo ma b!tch now and yoll goes where an whens I sez..you feel me bro?!"NoobB!tch: "hey oki just wanted to check for security updates before I use it,I wasn't aware Windows is now a Thug OS"Windows 10: "Say what..?!!

author: cliffyk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2019, 06:52:37 am
content: I heard they (Microsoft) wre going to combine code from CE, ME an NT for the next version--Windows CEMENT; it's supposed to be quite stable.BTW,MIcromeans "small" andsoftmeans "not hard"--SoMicrosoft= "Small and Not Hard"...

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2019, 07:01:32 am
content: Quote from: cliffyk on December 20, 2019, 06:52:37 amLets hope it sinks like a stone.QuoteHa!

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 07:41:46 pm
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on December 19, 2019, 08:34:00 amThe biggest issue with Vista is just that hardware was not yet ready for it at the time. When Vista came out a Pentium III with 256MB-512MB of RAM and no GPU was common and Vista was a dog on that. People balked at the idea of needing 2GB of RAM and a fast GPU to have a smooth experience with the operating system and also hardware drivers were not quite ready for prime time. A few years later even low end PCs were much more powerful and having several GB of RAM was not uncommon. Drivers had matured and Vista was really not a bad OS, I know several people who are still using it daily and it's rock solid. Like numerous other products that had teething problems the damage was done and the reputation stuck long after the problems were corrected.Windows 7 is essentially Vista 2.0 and is for the most part excellent. Win8 is when they really went off the rails and never recovered. 8 was stable enough, the back end was quite good, but the UI was and still is a complete train wreck, it was a massive regression that felt like stepping back in time 15 years, the bland flat UI resembling graphical DOS applications and very early versions of Windows on 16 color VGA.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 07:57:34 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on January 05, 2020, 07:41:46 pmYeah, I never installed Vista on one of my own machines, but got to use it on some work laptop at the time. The laptop was brand new and came with Vista, I think it had 2GB RAM. Ran fine, never had a single issue with it. People were probably not ready for the gap in resource requirements. Note that now MS is actively suggesting people to buy a new computer to upgrade to Windows 10, so times have changed.Quote from: james_s on January 05, 2020, 07:41:46 pmYep, agreed. This whole new UI came straight from their Windows phone experiments, and they just didn't succeed in getting it right. They just tried to jump on the whole flat design bandwagon that was trendy at the time. I never much liked flat design, but I admit some have done a pretty good job with it. MS didn't.As I think Steve Jobs once said about MS, they write great software but they just have no taste. I think it's ultimately really a core problem. It's a cultural company fault. It's almost as though the greater UI design that happened at MS kinda happened by accident.