Need new scope to about 1000$ - Page 1
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author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2018, 05:53:08 pm
content: Hi j need new scope to my lab.J already have rigol ds1054z hacked to 100mhz, 24mpts etc.. and Micsig Tbook Mini TO1104 with all options.Micsig is super, portable, much easier to use and with similar parameters like my hacked rigol.I would like to replace the rigol ds1054z with something else.I'm thinking about rigol ds2072a, because we can hack it up to 300mhz and is quite cheap.It will give me more other measurements, it would be a great complement to micsig.Question, ds2072a is already a bit on the market. Can I get something better? For the price of about 1000$?Siglent? Owon? GW Instek? Something used from ebay?Earlier I liked the 12bit XDS Owon, until I did not watch the review from dave.Is there a chance that they will improve it? How does Owon support his products ??Thank you for your help and knowledge.

author: GameProgrammer79
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2018, 08:14:08 pm
content: May be worth checking Keysight infinivision 1000x series if you don't mind 2 channels especially, DSOX1102G @ US $847. Comes with a arbitrary waveform generatormore details inhttps://www.keysight.com/en/pcx-2759552/infiniivision-1000-x-series-oscilloscopes?cc=US&lc=engOther that comes to my mind is R&S HMO series. These start about US $1000, generally pricer and options are always extra.There are some great oscilloscopes from Siglent but these are same category as Rigol 1000z. Btw I am very happy with my Siglent 1202X-E. Good value for money (US $360 delivered) and a very decent scope. It is in fact cheaper than my Fluke 87v multimeter.I would suggest against OWON, they are not known for good quality and accuracy and not sure if their after sales support is good.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2018, 11:45:29 pm
content: The GW Instek GDS2204E may worth considering.

author: DaJMasta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2018, 04:49:39 am
content: The Rigol NA clearance page has a couple DS2XX0 series scopes under a thousand and a MSO2000 series for $1200 or so, if you look towards that route.Siglent had a previous gen 2000 series four channel on theirs, but not any more - though a 2000X series Siglent could be a reasonable option for about that budget.For that ballpark you could even pickup a early 2000s era LeCroy scope on ebay with quite a bit of bandwidth. A large form factor and comparatively small sample memory, but some more comprehensive math and visualization options in a lot of cases as well as extra bandwidth and sample rate.

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2018, 08:32:13 am
content: I do not need 4 channels in the second oscilloscope. Two are enough for me. If necessary, I have micsigI would prefer a larger band. Around 200MHz 2Gs / s.DS2072A give me after hack 300MHz 2Gs/s 56mpts 50k wfs/s it costs 800$ + 23% taxes in my countryProposed oscilloscopes that fit in the budget do not give as much as rigol.Unless there are some hacks and I do not know about them?I do not know it is possible to hunt for some used lecroy at this price?http://www.testequipmenthq.com/datasheets/LECROY-LT262-Datasheet.pdf

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2018, 08:37:40 am
content: Another option would be to look for a used >500MHz scope on Ebay. There are many out there from Agilent, Lecroy and Tektronix. It won't be small or quiet though.

author: HalFET
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2018, 08:39:28 am
content: Talk to the local distributor for Keysight and Tek as well, they usually have former demo models laying around in that price range. That's how I got my MSOX2012 for a decent price. But keep in mind, you're not paying for the hardware as much as the software. The main difference between these scopes is that those from R&S, Keysight, and Tek will behave "better" and more predictable (and tend to have a better UI design), while the Rigol might do some unexpected things when you near the border of its capabilities or have buttons in weird places.

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2018, 03:29:51 pm
content: I worked several years on agilent/keysight MSOX4000 and tektronix TDS7000, I know what premium products look like. But I can not afford it. I am looking for a good value for money.Tektronix, Keysight, R & S will not give me the bandwidth I need. At this price level, of course.

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2018, 05:50:18 pm
content: The topic is a bit frozen, meaning there is nothing behind with the hacked rigiol?Meet the criterion, 200mhz and 2gs for this price?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2018, 05:56:12 pm
content: Quote from: kazik70 on January 10, 2018, 05:50:18 pmFor 2Gs/s you'll need to get into the $5000 area to get something decent.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2018, 05:57:11 pm
content: Quote from: kazik70 on January 10, 2018, 05:50:18 pmI think the hacked Rigol is the only choice for those specs.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2018, 06:27:39 pm
content: Brand new to the US market is the Siglent 1204X-E 200 MHz 4 Channel at around $800. Search around for reviews and videos.

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2018, 06:43:19 pm
content: Siglent 1000x has 1GSa/s

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2018, 06:55:01 pm
content: I think the DSOX 2000 series can be upgraded to 200MHz, is that so? If so, checkthis one.Otherwise, keep an eye out for DS4000 series from Rigol, which can be upgraded to 500MHz and are 4GSPS.

author: Shadowfire
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2018, 02:06:57 pm
content: You're not going to find anything used with the Tektronix nameplate on it that comes anywhere near the hacked DS2072A's stated specs.On ebay I see a TDS5032B (2 channel, 350mhz BW, 2M sample depth on each channel, up to 5Gs/s) and a TDS784A (4 channel, 512K sample depth divided by number of active channels, up to 4Gs/s) both at around $1,000.Of course, with the Tektronix scopes, you can be assured that the scope operates as expected, and the bugs were worked out BEFORE the scope actually shipped.

author: lem_ix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2018, 02:18:17 pm
content: Since you have the Micsig there's no better value than the Rigol to compliment it. For an only scope I'd get an Instek but those are a bit more then 1k for the high bw multichannel models i think.Edit : Indeed if available in Poland the used market might be better for what you're looking for.

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 13, 2018, 07:01:36 pm
content: At the local auction, there is a Tektronix DPO3012 available.The auction ends on Monday, I will try to bid for it.We can hack it up to 500mhz.Thank you for the tip about TDS5032B. This is very good equipment for me.995 $ + 100 $ shipment + 300 $ import fees, a little more than intended to spend.But I will think about it as an alternative.

author: zaoka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2018, 07:30:20 pm
content: Hameg of course, this brand lasts forever.

author: slurry
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2018, 08:43:02 pm
content: Quote from: zaoka on January 14, 2018, 07:30:20 pmNo, Hameg is now Rohde&Schwarz.The new series RTB2000 are really nice, unfortunately i bit over the 1k mark.

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2018, 07:54:56 am
content: I won the DPO3012 auction, at a very good price, but without probesNow I'm waiting for him, and I will try hack it to 500mhz.Yes, the RTB2000 series is probably the coolest piece of equipment at the moment.

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2018, 08:06:01 am
content: Uuu pity that I did not know before, it's so bad? I guess it will not be worse than rigol. On youtube it seems to be very responsive.

author: JoHr
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2018, 01:59:17 pm
content: R&S RTC1000 aew low cost oscilloscope under 1k Eurohttps://www.rohde-schwarz.com/nl/product/rtc1000-productstartpage_63493-515585.html

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2018, 03:10:33 pm
content: Quote from: JoHr on January 16, 2018, 01:59:17 pmIt seems overpriced compared to the Keysight 1000X series

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2018, 04:42:18 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on January 16, 2018, 08:06:55 amIn my experience UI performance is quite relative to what you are accustomed. Also, even if you know faster gear you can surely adapt your usage to it. Always keep in mind that, the more processing features you use (math, FFT, measurements), the slower the UI (Keysight is pretty good about it, while most of the low end gear varies a lot).All in all, congratulations on your purchase! I hope you enjoy it and, if you don't, you can always resell it.

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 01, 2018, 10:12:24 am
content: The oscilloscope is extremely fast, when j use 1k 10k or 100k memory depth.It does not matter if one channel or two, cursors, measurements etc ..It's slow down to the level of rigol when I choose a 1m memory depth.And it is totally scrap when you pick 5m.It is much quieter than rigol and much easier to use.The fonts are large, good contrast, one look and everything can be seen, not like in the rigolMenu in99% is maximum two levels. Which is nice.The buttons are large, knobs of rubber plastic, but only the trigger knob can be push.Brilliant thing with two knobs to cursors, very simple and intuitive to use.2.5gs/a is for every channel, I did not know about it beforeIn the meantime, I also bought a Keysight MSO-X 2024A second hand, which will come in a few days.

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2018, 08:05:10 am
content: Colleagues, can you help me with the memory content of the extension modules to DPO3000?It was available on the web in the past, now I can not trace it.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2018, 10:13:06 am
content: Quote from: kazik70 on February 01, 2018, 10:12:24 amWhich scope are you writing about? I tried to read your previous posts but it isn't clear to me and I would like to know.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2018, 10:30:30 am
content: DPO3012

author: kazik70
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2018, 10:33:45 am
content: It was about DPO3012, which has been converted to DPO3052For full happiness, there are only missing expansion modules.Modules easy to do, simple eeprom memory.I am asking for the contents of this memory, as someone has.It would be very niceThe Keysight MSO-X 2024A is also cool, but I enjoy the Tektronix DPO3000 a bit more.