Hakko FX-888D @ 220v ; where to buy? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 03:27:25 pm
content: hii have decided to buy a good solder station, i have chosed to buy an hakko fx888d.but i need a 220v version... its a little more hard do find it.where i can find it at a good price?the 110v costs 91$ on amazon.comi have found one at 164$ on ebay.com (www.ebay.com/itm/190751857830)... its from china and i dont know if its fake or genuine.thankspswhy the 220v will cost so much!?

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 03:28:53 pm
content: If it is in china is a fake.Where are you?

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 03:29:42 pm
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on October 29, 2013, 03:28:53 pmitaly

author: mcinque
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 03:37:59 pm
content: Batter fly italy, hakko authorized shop.I've bought my desoldering gun from them.

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 03:54:40 pm
content: Quote from: mcinque on October 29, 2013, 03:37:59 pmits cost 164.70€! (135+29.70)i prefer to buy a 110v from amazon (91$ -> ~65.9€) then change the transformer...really, it cost too much... which kind of transformer should i buy?

author: mikgntl-2013
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 04:24:10 pm
content: Quote from: mcinque on October 29, 2013, 03:37:59 pmHakko prices here in Italy are nothing but ridiculous!Some time ago I asked them to quote me for a Hakko FX-951 and few tips. Check what I got:QuoteUnbelievable... More than a JBC station.And batterfly is not even the worst. Look at this wonderful offer from itronik.itQuoteNow tell me. Can you really pass?

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 04:38:25 pm
content: Quote from: mikgntl-2013 on October 29, 2013, 04:24:10 pm38€ for a tip? really??i repeat... i prefer to buy a 110v version and mod it.it will cost the half price for a 220v in italy.....

author: mikgntl-2013
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 05:05:47 pm
content: The problem with Amazon is that they won't ship that station to Italy.

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 05:20:15 pm
content: Quote from: mikgntl-2013 on October 29, 2013, 05:05:47 pmi see... any other site with this price?

author: mikgntl-2013
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 05:27:55 pm
content: I think this one is your best option:http://www.ebay.it/itm/171125950028The kit comes with 4 cartridges and shipping to Italy costs only 30USD, but you have to pay 35USD of import duties.So the total will be around 170USD (125 EUR).There is also a listing for just the station sitting at 91USD, but I suggest you to go with the first kit, unless you are willing to pay 38EUR to itronik for each tip!P.S. Try to talk with the seller. Maybe he can give you one or two more tips.

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 06:04:49 pm
content: Quote from: mikgntl-2013 on October 29, 2013, 05:27:55 pm91+shipping+taxes...uff...

author: mikgntl-2013
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 06:42:15 pm
content: I know. 35USD of import duties is a bit annoying, but trust me, you won't find anything better unless someone is disposed to declare it as a low value item, but that's a completely different story...Furthermore, 30USD for Priority Mail is unusually low. No one will ship from USA for less.I've just found this listing on ebay.com: 181249700000It says to ship only to USA, but I've dealt in the past with this guy and he was very helpful.Maybe he can help you.

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 07:36:12 pm
content: Quote from: mikgntl-2013 on October 29, 2013, 06:42:15 pmI cant believe there isn't a seller with a "good price" in the whole europe...european eeevblog users, i need you

author: mcinque
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 10:20:47 pm
content: Quote from: mikgntl-2013 on October 29, 2013, 04:24:10 pmWell, you're probably right. The matter is that Hakko is who decides the prices. I don't know why their prices are so ridiculous here, the 808 desoldering gun is sold in the US at 129 € but here you must pay it 278 €, its more than twice the price.

author: Molybdo42
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 10:45:34 pm
content: Hi,I did a mod to turn my Hakko to 230vhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/hakko-230v-conversion/. I ended up paying 132€ for the whole station and components (3D printed parts not included), quite close to what you will pay for a genuine 220V (in France I couldn't find below 188€), so it's up to you to see whether or not this is acceptable.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 10:48:17 pm
content: Quote from: trisonic on October 29, 2013, 07:36:12 pmForget about the Hakko.Apparently Hakko does not really want to sell 220V (240V) versions in Europe or they think they can rip us off for the privilege of having to beg them to sell us one.So say "fuck you Hakko" and look for alternatives. Because, you know, the thing is they aren't really that special. It is just because Dave did like Hakko in a video that the eevblog cheerleaders have decided to make a big fuss about them.

author: Molybdo42
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 29, 2013, 11:18:30 pm
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on October 29, 2013, 10:48:17 pmI wouldn't fully agree on that, because what makes Hakko soldering stations great are : fast temperature recovery, long life, temperature stability and tip shape selection. Now if you really want some cheap options, you can always try some Hakko clones or some soldering stations from Aoyue, Atten... Some of those are said to be compatible with genuine Hakko heating elements and tips. Because the electronics driving the soldering iron aren't that complex (but some iron's temp might overshot a little bit), it's the iron's heating element, build quality and tip selection that makes all the difference.You can find some infohereandhere

author: Isamun
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 12:07:50 am
content: Not cheap, but good service!http://www.emagenturer.no/?PageID=173&ItemID=14932Norwegian Hakko Distributor. I dont know if they will ship abroad, but if the price isn'd scaring you away, you could drop them an email!Edit: They can also supply you with a 220V transformer (original) should you find that more cost effective!

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 12:23:58 am
content: Quote from: Molybdo42 on October 29, 2013, 11:18:30 pmSo the majority of eevblog readers would use the great Hakkos - at least according to the fanboys?Lets have a look at this threadhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/show-us-your-soldering-set-up!-%28and-a-poll%29/Nop, the majority there uses Weller. Weller. Of all brands Weller. One of the most thrashed soldering brands here on eevblog. So welcome to reality. There is life outside of Hakko, and if the Hakko fuckers don't want to sell you their stuff for a reasonable price in Europe you can just move on.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 06:13:42 am
content: Quote from: mcinque on October 29, 2013, 10:20:47 pmItronik sell a fx888 around 120€+ivaDunno if they will ship around, you can call, they're in padova.

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 07:20:18 am
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on October 30, 2013, 12:23:58 amgood say!i will buy another soldering station...

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 11:09:40 am
content: Get a clone and a genuine heater+tip, best of both worlds...

author: Molybdo42
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 11:41:52 am
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on October 30, 2013, 12:23:58 amI reject your reality and substitute my own (I know that there is life outside of Hakko) :- Radiospares DS50 104€ but only 5 types of tips- Hakko FX888 + transfo swap 132€, 31 different tip size and shape- ANTEX 660TC 150€, 9 different tip size and shape- Weller whs40 150€ 49 different tip size and shape ?- OK international PS900 233€- Weller wtcp 51 213 € fixed temperature- Ersa RDS80 198 €Now call me a fanboy if you want, but unfortunately for us, in Europe Hakko has the cheapest soldering station with good tip selection. Of course if you have other choices you can list them, it's always interesting to have options. A cheap Chinese 50€ station, compatible with genuine Hakko tips can be the best option.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 12:45:53 pm
content: Yep the two good choices are hakko and weller for the medium hobbyst.But, personally, i hate weller. They're stupid soldering station are BORING and SLOW as hell.And also, I hate the fact that they're doing SHITNOVATION (shit-innovation), with their stupid usb and touch-screen and user profiles.... "all for just 1k€".With the same money of a crap weller you can buy an hakko, and with a medium weller station you can pay the jbc, wich is pornografic.

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 12:47:19 pm
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on October 30, 2013, 12:45:53 pmwhereeee??? ahhahahahaa

author: mikgntl-2013
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 03:00:14 pm
content: 125€ for 110V FX888 + 4 soldering tips and then you change the transformer.You can keep asking and searching all around the web, but no one will come with a better option here in Italy.Other brands aren't worth their price, unless you are disposed to triplicate your budget and get the best on the market (JBC).

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 03:23:51 pm
content: NESSUNO MI ASCOLTA!!!!ITRONIK VENDE LE HAKKO, STA A PADOVA!!!!

author: mikgntl-2013
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 03:39:48 pm
content: Quote from: ddavidebor on October 30, 2013, 03:23:51 pm[IT MODE ON] e là sta bene [IT MODE OFF]150 EUR for the station without tips + 38 EUR for each tip? NO, THANKS.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 06:09:08 pm
content: what the hell?it that the price you get?

author: DL8RI
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 06:46:47 pm
content: QuoteHow can a soldering-station be "Boring"?And as for slow... 15-20 Seconds to 350°C (WSP80) are not slow. The Hakko are a bit faster (~5 sec. I believe), but who cares?In terms of quality I think the Weller WMD 3 is ahead of the FM206 in nearly all points.I personally don't like the Hakko-Product-Policy. Here in Germany there is nearly no way to get a Hakko for a reasonable price compared to the US. It seems they don't want to sell, so they don't sell.In terms of quality... Weller starts at a "higher level" in quality and price. The Weller "consumer"-Products (these red ones) are a bad joke. The same with Ersa, except the very cheap Ersa iCon Pico, many people say it's good, but I've never seen this unit so far.Hakko produce very good soldering stations, but they are not really the "holy grail" or whatever. Weller, Ersa, Pace, Hakko, JBC... there is no "best" one or clear winner....

author: mcinque
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 07:10:59 pm
content: Theonlyreason I've bought an Hakko product, is that I didn't found a good and affordable desoldering gun/station that has spare parts available on the market and canreallyprovide 600mm/Hg suction like the 808 under 300 €.For soldering, I use Xytronic, much cheaper but still good.

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 07:41:32 pm
content: Quote from: DL8RI on October 30, 2013, 06:46:47 pmI really don't understand this policy... what is the problem with us (Europe)?

author: DL8RI
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 07:58:19 pm
content: I have no idea. Maybe because Europe is dominated by Weller/Ersa they saw no chance and didn't even try, just a guess.But actually I don't really care. There are plenty of other fish in the sea, if they don't want to, they don't have to. I'm not running after Hakko to give them my money.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 09:42:07 pm
content: Quote from: DL8RI on October 30, 2013, 06:46:47 pmWell apart the "boring" is very important that is fast.Not for the power up, but because the heat element can transfer a lot more heat in the tip in the hakko. The weller station are a lot worst in that, espedially the old ones.And for me this is very important.And the best is the jbc....

author: DL8RI
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 10:20:38 pm
content: No, it's not. If we compare a station with a >60sek. heating Time, ok.But 13 sec. against 18 sec. or whatever the numbers are, that's just number-picking.In practical work, even when soldering shielding cases, I highly doubt you get much different results. In that case the shape of the Tip is much more important (and the user of course).I never really felt a big difference between my Weller, my Hakko or the Pace-Station I use in the Lab. They all did their job well. They all are high quality (and very expensive) tools.QuoteWell, yeah, definitely. But why comparing a modern inner-heated station against an old one?BTW, I just took a really old Weller(*) I have here (the old TCP from the 70s), 34 sec. until the "click" came.Far from the modern ones, but not to far... and it's 40 Years old, therefore the comparison is rather unfair.(*)I'm not a Weller-maniac it just happened right now I only have working Weller-Stations right now, my Hakko is still broken.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2013, 06:00:11 am
content: For me it's a big difference because i remove a lot of components.It's big also for the ones in the power supply business and power electronic.

author: DL8RI
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2013, 07:55:02 am
content: Well if it's important for you that's hardly to argue. If the blue/yellow case is important for you, one can't say anything against it.But please stop writing stuff like brand XY is total crap or whatever if you can't get a good reason for it.I get the feeling you have never used a modern Pace, Weller or whatever and are just doing fanboyism right now.And BTW, I did a little mistake, I thought the FX888 used the FM-2027 iron like the FM206, but it uses another quite similar to the 936, heat-up-time (out of a youtube-Video) ~25 sec. About 10 sec. slower than a WS81. If it's THAT important for you, throw your Hakko out.I still say: It's not important

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2013, 01:56:44 pm
content: Quote from: DL8RI on October 31, 2013, 07:55:02 amThe '888isbasically a 936 in a different casing with a slightly more powerful transformer.

author: DL8RI
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2013, 03:06:06 pm
content: QuoteAh, Ok. I didn't know that, thanks@Topic:I'd try a Ersa iCon Pico. There should be no problem to get that in Italy. I have not tested this Unit myself!!! but i've heard quite good opinions about it. The mentioned Xytronics-Stations use a (at least optical) rip of of the FX-888-Iron or the Weller WSP-80, can be good, but I'd rather stick to a "original-manufacturer".

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2013, 07:23:18 pm
content: Quote from: DL8RI on October 31, 2013, 07:55:02 amWell i've Actually worked in a power electronic company a bit.The designer love to not do termal relieve pad. I had to take my soldering station because with they're new weller i must use 450c to do a minimal rework. My soldering station was a atten, build as a hakko 888. It was crap, yet way still better than the weller.I have actually bought 2 hakko for the local makerspace. Work better than the weller i use everyday at school.Now, what would you say of a brand that sell the same thing for 40year, don't do innovation, and insist in build stupid usb-key soldering station?

author: DL8RI
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2013, 08:40:00 pm
content: QuoteThat it's wrong for example. You can repeat it 10 Times, it won't become correct and it won't help the initiator of this Thread. The old TCP-Type Stations with the regulation via the curie-effect are still sold, but there are lots of other types.The WS81 as I mentioned many times in this thread and more modern ones with combined Heater-Tip-Irons (similar to the FM-2027). The WS81 is btw. a direct counterpart to the FX-888/936 with a similar type of technology.QuoteWe have three options: They bought the wrong station for the job (which one?), you used the wrong Tip or you didn't use it the correct way.And what about the numbers that were so important for you?A "slow as hell" "crap" Weller turned out to be faster... Now it's not so important anymore?And to make that clear one more time: The Hakko-Stuff (i know the 936 and the FM-2027) is good. But it's not that superior from other brands even near the way you represent it. And that's the Point: If Hakko is hard to get, buy another quality brand station, won't go wrong.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2013, 09:06:18 pm
content: I don't say is superior, i say is the best in that price range.

author: trisonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2013, 10:26:07 pm
content: Quote from: amyk on October 31, 2013, 01:56:44 pmreally? is that true?

author: robbag
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2013, 08:10:44 am
content: There is mektronics here in Australia.AU$160 ex GST.. I bought mine here.http://www.mektronics.com.au/hakko-fx888d-digital-soldering-station.html#.UnNhSnkayc1

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2013, 11:13:22 am
content: Quote from: trisonic on October 31, 2013, 10:26:07 pmThe only other difference is the controller uses an MCU (possibly a hint of their transition to the 888D), but the iron itself hasn't changed design.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 08:48:29 pm
content: hello, we understand there is a big difference from Europe and USA HAKKO price. Unfortunaltely there is nothing we can do to support a better price since the HAKKO price list + cost of shipment doesn't allow us to be more competitive.Our strategy is to have a bigger stock which, over the time, reduce a bit the pricing.For example, as somebody said before FX888D is Euro 135 + VAT which can sound expensive but at least we offer very cheap soldering tips T18 Euro 5 + VATMany new products will come on 2014, we will do our best to provide a good strret price.We dropped the FX-951 down to Euro 300 + VATThanks!

author: Minifig666
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 12:01:57 pm
content: I'm not entirely familiar with how intentional purchases work, however, I've been doing a fair bit of shopping around trying to find them in the UK.The Grosvenor Group quoted me a price of £99.50 for the FX-888 (Analogue version, supposedly better!). That's ex-VAT and shipping, however it seems to be cheaper than the prices in mainland Europe.Might be worth sending them a message and finding out. You'll have to fit your own plug thoughEdit: Forgot to link them in!http://www.grosvenor-group.com/

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2013, 06:15:03 pm
content: Not 220V but if anybody is looking for a good Cyber Monday Hakko deal here is onehttp://www.idevmail.net/link.aspx?l=4&d=33&mid=358981&m=887

author: AllanMN
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2013, 03:25:44 pm
content: This reviewclaims the transformer is 110/220v multitap, so a new plug and rewire would seem to do it. All you need is a way to buy the lower priced items available and get it into your hands.Allan

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2013, 05:36:09 pm
content: If it's multitap, why do they sell various transformers for replacement?The distribution pcb might be common for them, but doesnt look like the transformer is.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 20, 2014, 01:01:55 pm
content: for european users: we have the HAKKO FX888D (original) at Euro 80 + taxes and delivery untill January the 26th 2014selection of color not availablehttp://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko_fx-888dthanks!

author: Isamun
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 20, 2014, 06:37:02 pm
content: Quote from: AllanMN on December 05, 2013, 03:25:44 pmSorry to say that this transformer is not multitap.

author: Adammac26
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: February 18, 2014, 10:34:25 pm
content: Hi guys, this is probably a idiotic question but can the 120v/60hz version of the hakko be powered by a transformer supplying 110v@50hz? I have a transformer which is used for 110v tools such as routers. Thanks Adam

author: Iwanushka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2014, 11:59:49 pm
content: Quote from: Adammac26 on February 18, 2014, 10:34:25 pmHi there,Yes, you can use step-down transformer it will work without any problems. I'm using mine with step-down transformer too, so far so good.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2014, 09:25:16 pm
content: It doesn't bother me. I bought the 120V version. I'm running it off a 110V 50Hz transformer and it works perfectly.The transformer isn't too much of a problem because I put it underneath the workbench, where it doesn't get in the way.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2014, 05:05:09 pm
content: hello promo price till Sunday for European Super UserBlue and Yellow:http://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko_fx-888dSilver:http://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko-fx-888d-silverunits are on stock, order now we ship out on Monday!ciao

author: SoundSponge
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2014, 10:55:45 am
content: I take the silver model from batterfly. Good soldering station

author: CaptainBruno
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 01, 2014, 07:44:07 pm
content: Is the hakko from batterfly trustworthy, Real or fake?

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2014, 12:52:00 pm
content: Quote from: CaptainBruno on August 01, 2014, 07:44:07 pmhello, we only sell original HAKKO products and spare parts.

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2014, 05:37:28 pm
content: can you deliver the silver one (original with all original parts) to Jordan? what does it cost?

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2014, 08:50:58 pm
content: hello, I send you a PMbye

author: Jaxelo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 06, 2014, 11:34:37 am
content: i'm just getting into electronics (have built a power supply so far) and am looking for a decent soldering station, but I really dislike the buttons on the new Hakko... Will the older potentiometer version ever be available again?http://www.batterfly.com/shop/stazioni_saldanti/regolazione_manuale_della_temperatura/hakko_fx-888

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2014, 11:42:14 am
content: hello, I'm sorry but so far HAKKO has not informed uf about future plan to release a new soldering station with analog knob .

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2014, 03:32:28 pm
content: hi mojo-chan, you are right, but FX-950/951 use different tip models (cartridge) which are more expensive than T18 series.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2014, 03:05:38 pm
content: Quote from: gmit77 on August 04, 2014, 12:52:00 pmThat's what they all sayI think he was looking for an independent opinion, not yours.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2014, 03:09:37 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on November 09, 2014, 03:05:38 pmops...I just felt involved...my apologize

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2014, 12:22:17 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on November 09, 2014, 03:05:38 pmWell, you don't need other opinions to judge. Why? because their store is an official distributor of Hakko, check this page on Hakko.com:http://www.hakko.com/world_network.html#34I guess they can not sell clones, even if they want to. Because they have an agreement of the company. I say this because I have spoken to a certain company in my country to buy this Hakko from this store and then sell it to me (to lower the price, i.e, shipping and stuff)... they told me that they are a distributor of a certain company in Hong Kong that sells soldering stations, thus they can not sell another brand that is not from their source.I hope I got it right in the last paragraph there xDJa na ~

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2014, 10:47:29 pm
content: He means you cannot trust retailers as genuine unbiased opinion. Especially ones that solely come on to advertise their company or products.

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 13, 2014, 12:51:18 pm
content: Quote from: Shock on November 12, 2014, 10:47:29 pmI know what he means, but I described that the official distributor of a certain company can not sell non-genuine product. I may be wrong in this but this is what I saw from my little experience.You are right though, all retailers say claims like this... But you can always go and check the official distributor page in the original company's website to know which one is correct.Regarding advertisement method, I find it good. some years ago, such online communities didn't exists, but now it is more efficient to put some effort into using them to sell your products... that is if you are not Apple or some other $$$$ company xD. This is my personal opinion after all.thanks for your time.

author: malaire
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 18, 2014, 09:58:18 am
content: Hi forum, happy customer of Batter Fly reporting in.I received my Hakko FX-888D from Batter Fly yesterday (ordered on 11th) and I can recommend them if anyone needs one. Excellent customer service and relatively fast shipping even if there was a small problem (I also ordered cleaning spray which they couldn't ship to Finland, but that was promptly refunded.)Few images of my unit attached. Based on some fake/non-fake images I've seen about the heating element this seems genuine to me, but I'm no expert on that.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2014, 04:46:03 pm
content: This is why you cannot trust retailers.There was no real reason for a person to come on and prove batterfly was selling genuine Hakko. Yet today we have someone who just signed up to the forums to pull his iron to bits to prove something noone but batterfly would even care about.No courier or postage info on the box either, suspicious.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2014, 05:10:07 pm
content: Dear Shock, thanks for your message. In this world of fake messages it is easy to get alarmed.I can't take any position but saying that Batter Fly only sell original and genuine HAKKO parts.You are free to check by your own contacting us via phone or email, no problem to post them open +39 051 6468377 info @ batterfly . comIf you don't trust you should not even act in the opposite too much otherwise you are the once becoming "suspicious"In the end ... happy soldering every body

author: malaire
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 18, 2014, 05:43:02 pm
content: Quote from: Shock on November 18, 2014, 04:46:03 pmOh, internet, never trusting anyone.I've been trying to find Hakko FX-888D for some time and Batter Fly was *ONLY* shop I was able to find which sells 230V version with reasonable price and not clearly a fake (like if I were to order from China).Personally I do care about reading messages like mine, showing some proof of e.g. Batter Fly selling genuine product after all the discussions I was able to find of fake ones on market, which is why I wanted to tell my experience as a buyer. Especially after I was unable to find any customer reviews about Batter Fly in english (my normal procedure when I consider using a shop I've never used before).It is true that it was my first message on this particular forum, but if you just google for my nickname malaire and/or my real name "Markus Laire" you will find a lot of messages from me and none is affiliated with Batter Fly in any way.Courier/postage papers had been removed from box already before taking photos (their sleeve was on backside to make photos look nicer) and I have already shredded them, but here is invoice I saved. You can also go tohttp://www.tnt.com/and track package 312757325 while TNT still has that information online.

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2014, 06:40:11 pm
content: Is this issue still going on? I already said that Butterfly can not sell fake products of Hakko because they are the official distributor of Hakko. See here:http://www.hakko.com/world_network.html#34This is enough to trust them. They are not just any retailers, but the official distro.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 25, 2015, 11:17:16 am
content: HELLO AGAINWe just got many FX-888D B/Y and SILVERAvailable nowB/Yhttp://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko_fx-888dSILVERhttp://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko-fx-888d-silverBUNDLE WITH RIGOL DS1054Z (RIGOL ARRIVES THIS FRIDAY)http://www.batterfly.com/shop/bundle-ds1054z-fx888dALL 220/240V EU PLUG ORIGINALCIAO!!

author: MadModder
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2015, 07:13:19 pm
content: I got a bit angry yesterday using my Atten AT201D. Soldered a few snap-in 6800µF caps, and I couldn't keep the solder molten all around one pin at once! The specs claims it's 60W, but the thermal capacity is a joke! The solder stuck to the cap's pin while I had the soldering tip on the other side of it!So I ordered a blue Hakko FX-888D yesterday, plus som extra tips. From Batter Fly

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 10:04:19 am
content: HAKKO best sellers now on bundle for June Sale!FX-888D (soldering station) + FA-400 (smoke absorber)http://www.batterfly.com/shop/bundle-fx888d-fa400EU power cord

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2015, 04:37:37 pm
content: hello hello hello!we have just released a new bundle made by rigol ds1054z extech ex330 and hakko fx-888deuro 439.99 + vat & free shipment to Europe (we ship from Italy)http://www.batterfly.com/shop/bundle-ds1054z-ex330-fx888d

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 04, 2015, 06:39:28 pm
content: Quote from: gmit77 on October 03, 2015, 04:37:37 pmCongratulations on getting yourself banned !

author: aneng
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2015, 01:32:20 am
content: Well, I too have been searching for a 220V version and BatterFly are the cheapest I've found. Currently 98 Euros + 16.60 Shipping to the UK + 22% Italian VAT. At today's exchange rate, that's just under £100 GBP delivered. The UK Official Agents want £130. I'm going with BatterFly. There's no way any company that was an official distributor of a product would risk losing that status by being stupid enough to sell counterfeit copies as well as the real thing. How would they even do that ? An official distributor that sells you a fake?... What are they doing with all the genuine ones then ? - or are they the only Official Distributor of a product that never actually orders anything from Hakko ?I think some people need to stop being so paranoid !

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2015, 03:17:20 am
content: @SimonWhy is he banned?

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2015, 08:00:12 am
content: I think he got banned (if he is) for advertising in a thread that's not in the "for sale" section ...

author: crispy_tofu
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2015, 10:04:41 am
content: And also for posting the same thing in two threads...

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2015, 02:14:05 am
content: Quote from: crispy_tofu on November 22, 2015, 10:04:41 amWhy do they do that spamming instead of proper sponsoring? That makes me think suspicious about them.

author: nowlan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2015, 02:46:17 am
content: Dunno why he was banned. The whole thread belongs underBuy/Sell/Wanted,not test equipment.People asking where to get genuine hakko.

author: crispy_tofu
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2015, 03:06:47 am
content: Quote from: nowlan on November 23, 2015, 02:46:17 amBy resurrecting a thread that's been dead for months?And also:Quote from: Simon on November 11, 2012, 12:07:41 am

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2015, 01:51:52 pm
content: Quote from: nowlan on November 23, 2015, 02:46:17 amhttp://www.hakko.com/world_network.html