US navy pilot on leaked UFO videos! - Page 1
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author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2019, 05:13:14 am
content: The navy pilot Commander David Fravor who chased a UFO are interviewed by Joe Rogan and they are discussing the video on what they experienced so whats your take on this UFO experience and everything around the whole thing?Lots of technical talk.

author: donotdespisethesnake
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2019, 08:18:46 am
content: The videos may be real, but they are not even real UFOs. They are bugs or other debris on the camera.When even "experts" like fighter pilots are fooled by such trivial reasons, it puts into perspective the credibility of all UFO evidence, or any other para normal type stuff. People even manage to mistake the Moon for a UFO.There is an interesting evolutionary reason for this type of hyper-active sensitivity humans have. Identifying a shadow in the bushes as a tiger could save your life, the only downside is that you are falsely spooked for a few seconds until you realise it is just a shadow.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2019, 08:30:05 am
content: Yeah it's no different to:

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2019, 09:05:17 am
content: The pilot sounds sensible, but the presenter & his furry faced mate in the first video are pretty much a waste of running time.The problem with passing these things off as "bugs & other debris" is that multiple devices supposedly detected them, as well as people seeing them.A bug would have to still be alive to move off the lens so fast of its own volition or be blown off by the slipstream.I can't buy them being solid objects which are driven by "gravity amplifiers, which can suddenly head off at high speeds (so fast that they seem to disappear), either.If they moved that fast, they would appreciably heat the air, or even ionise it, which would leave a detectable track for IR or radar.If they are, as claimed, detectable by radar, IR , etc, it seems more likely that they are some hitherto unexplained natural phenomena.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2019, 09:09:05 am
content: I haven't watched the videos. All I have to say is this:UFOstands for:UnidentifiedFlyingObjectWhich is basically anything in the sky which is not identifiable and most likely has an ordinary, boring explanation and is very unlikely due to extraterrestrial life. Yes, it's possible it's a secret military aircraft or weapon test but, if it's doing something which is currently impossible using current technology or even what seems plausible in the next ten years, the ordinary, boring explanation is more likely.

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2019, 12:27:45 pm
content: The POINT that everyone (some/most) people get wrong, is this.....For someone to deny the 'fact' that throughout the Universe, there IS/ARE other lifeforms inexistence, means that they do not grasp the absolute magnitude of the Universe as we know it.Now does that mean that 'they' have ever been here, or ever will... No...That is two totally separate arguments/debates !!!I absolutely believe that 'life' in what ever form, is literally proliferous throughout the Universe.No matter how small you factor in the numbers. However, that has NO bearing on whether theyhave yet, or will in some time soon, be able to show themselves to us, or visa versa....

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2019, 02:35:03 pm
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on October 06, 2019, 12:27:45 pmI agree, it's very likely there are other lifeforms in the universe, but given the huge distances involved, it's highly unlikely they've visited earth or ever will.

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 06, 2019, 03:15:27 pm
content: Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on October 06, 2019, 08:18:46 amThe "bugs" was also seen on the radar, IR etc followed by many and when the bug vanished to the left it showed up elsewhere far away by people on the hangar ship.Quote from: vk6zgo on October 06, 2019, 09:05:17 amThe furry face is not Rogans mate nor the pilot.Quote from: bd139 on October 06, 2019, 08:30:05 amCat reacts naturally to objects resembling snakes for natural reasons not because they "think" its an UFOor other superstitious objects like Hindu/Christian god and crosses/poles etc etc. Read some biology for heaven sake!Fellow countryman Clarke have 3 laws for you:1:When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When hestates that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.2:The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.3:Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.Here is a interview with Bob Lazar who worked at Los Alamos as part of the team trying to figure out how a crashed UFO worked!

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2019, 04:09:33 am
content: So-called scientists destroy their integrity in one hit by publicly saying their believe there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe without ever having even a scrap of evidence. Posting UFO nonsense should be left to the National Enquirer or New Idea, rather than EEVBLOG.There is no evidence of alien spacecraft, Buraq, The Toronto Blessing, the Illuminati, flat earth, Ghosts, Fortune Telling and Astrology. So why do people believe such, other than being mentally unstable. No surprise that all these prizes are unclaimed...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal.However, US Customs at American international airports having a queue for US Citizens and another queue for Aliens might be the proof we need that there are in fact aliens among us.

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2019, 06:24:31 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 07, 2019, 04:09:33 amI happen to believe there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Based on a few threads of evidence. First we can see stars in the sky, and by looking carefully we can estimate the total number of such stars. While the estimate wiggles with time it is probably something like 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars. Second, experiments here on earth have in only about 50 years of trying demonstrated many elements of life happening by purely random processes that seem to be not terribly unlikely.The evidence against intelligent life elsewhere is primarily the failure of SETI to hear anything. But SETI can only be expected to find things within a few thousand light years of us. Call it a billion cubic light years, with an average star density on the order of one star per 10 cubic light years, so only 100,000,000 of those total stars. And between global warming, the move to fiber for communication, nuclear arsenals and various other factors it is easy to convince yourself that our broadcasting civilization has an excellent chance of lasting well less than 1000 years. Out of the 8 or ten billion years that it seems life could develop on another star the chances of us hitting the right time window are quite small.So combine what seem to be enough trials to make winning the life lottery a very real possibility, and the extreme weakness of the only real evidence against intelligent life elsewhere it seems insane to discredit someone for believing in the existence somewhere.But as others have said, that is very much different from believing that some have visited. The odds against such other intelligences being even as close as this galaxy could easily be quite high. No one knows what the actual odds are, and the facts are actually not inconsistent with existence of dozens or even hundreds within our galaxy. The facts only suggest that they are a long way away in space and or separated in time. There are almost incomprehensible amounts of both. Or maybe they are actually incomprehensible which is why even well informed people argue about the unknowable.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 07, 2019, 07:13:14 am
content: Quote from: CatalinaWOW on October 07, 2019, 06:24:31 amIt gets smaller when you consider they have to be intelligent life evolved enough to develop technology to transmit, and that could indeed be exceedingly rare in it's own right.Humans almost didn't make it, and IIRC it at one point came down to a few thousand left.And even then, it was hundreds of thousands of years before humans could harness the electromagnetic spectrum, and yeah, we could destroy ourselves literally tomorrow.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 07, 2019, 07:14:54 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 07, 2019, 04:09:33 amStatistics is a wonderful tool.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2019, 02:34:54 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 07, 2019, 04:09:33 amWhen I was a kid, it was common for Australian Post Offices to have a "Notice to Aliens" notice stuck to the wall.The old meaning of "Aliens" as "non-citizens" was starting to die out even then, & I always thought the signs were hilarious.

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2019, 03:52:45 am
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on October 06, 2019, 09:05:17 amTop Gun Dave Fravor (CDR) has a lot of credibility in my eyes.Unrelated to UFO, there was a PBS (USA Public Broadcast network) TV series (10 hours total) in 2005 callCarrierhighlighting the people and the operations of the USS Nimitz in a deployment.Dave Fravor was the commander of Black Ace Squadrondeployed on the Nimitz at the time.Perhaps because he was retiring, he had a lot of screen time on that show. (Recalling from memory) So I know from the show how he started as a US Marine, to becoming a Navy pilot, to retirement (his last carrier take-off), and even how he did a nugget (brand new pilot) a favor by subbing himself in to do the night time pitch-deck landing. That 30 feet pitching deck landing ended up defeating a few seasoned pilots that night - they missed and had to go around and for retries multiple times. Retrying was so common that night that refueling plane had to be deployed adding to yet more planes needing to (re)land on a deck that was pitching 30 feet up and down at night. He had the foresight not to let a brand new 1st deployment pilot try that, much as she liked to. The pitching was getting so bad that the Captain of the Nimitz cancelled further training take-offs due to the increasing danger; Dave landed back on that pitching deck first try as the air controllers broke out in cheers and relief.That was just a bit of description from the many appearances he had on that TV Series. That Series gave me a sense I know the capability and quality of the person - Commander Dave Fravor. Put aside that it was first detected by radar and he was vectored there, so no doubt there was something there. Even without radar, if he said he saw it, I believe him. This guy knows what he is doing and he is one of the best in his business at the time.Anyone else saw that TV series? What is your opinion of CDR Fravor?

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2019, 12:44:57 am
content: I'm watching E06 on TV.https://www.questod.co.uk/show/ufos-the-lost-evidenceI've seen at least 3 of these "weather balloons".

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2019, 01:37:20 am
content: Don't just look at the leaked ones, there are many "leaked video" and may be fakes. More interesting are the ones that USN confirmed.Following some legal wrangling by a group using the "Freedom of Information Act", US Navy officially released videos on the UFO encounter without further explanation. According to some, the released was just a very small segment of the encounter. I forgot who the "some" were, at least one was a non-commissioned officer on the escort USS Princeton.There are many links, here is one you can start with:https://www.history.com/news/navy-confirms-ufo-videos-real

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2019, 06:36:58 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 07, 2019, 07:14:54 amBut does not provide proof. A googol x 0 = 0. Statistics is interesting. Out of 10,000 people who say they can tell the future... statistically, at least one will likely get it right. Hey, The Simpsons predicted way back in the year 2000 that Trump would become the US president. As a tool, statistics really works well when filtering out random noise when sampling an ADC reading. But you can never be 100% sure the random noise is not biased.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2019, 07:56:30 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 07, 2019, 04:09:33 amThe only evidence we have is circumstantial (like life on Earth), but it definitely indicates the exact opposite. You are using lack of conclusive proof as proof of absence, which is a logical fallacy.It is exactly because of this irrational "you need to prove me wrong beyond reasonable doubt before I will respect any of your research" attitude that has made it impossible for most physicists to research anything except already accepted mainstream stuff. The only place where the edges can be explored is basically weapons research, likeSPAWAR(regarding LENR in particular), because there it is understood that even when positive findings are unlikely, their potential benefits make the research worthwhile.(Even negative findings are useful, because it lets you place bounds on what kind of weaponry one can expect to encounter in the medium to long timescales. The same applies to LENR, electrogravitics, advanced propulsion systems, and so on: it is not just positive/practical results that are valuable, a lot of accidental discoveries that were made during finding out about a different phenomena have been found to be extremely useful. You don'tknowbefore you find things out rigorously.)Funny thing is that a significant fraction of physicists (well over 50% of the ones I know) believe it would be interesting and worth the research to investigate UFOs and associated phenomena, if only doing such research would not tarnish ones reputation. So, instead of finding out, people like VK3DRB are ensuring we won't know for sure, "because we alreadyknowbelievethe right answer to the question".

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2019, 08:34:46 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 11, 2019, 06:36:58 amThat wasn't exactly an accident, Trump tried to run for president several times in the past and everything he said in his 2016 campaign is the same stuff he had been talking about since the '80s.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2019, 02:28:44 pm
content: There is nothing wrong with finding out if there is intelligent life on other planets. In fact, go for it. Anyone might hypothesize there is intelligent life out there, and that is fine. But I have heard scientists being interviewed saying they know there is intelligent life out there, without any proof. Let's face it, no-one knows for sure there are aliens on Venus or Ganymede other than George Adamski.

author: Ground_Loop
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2019, 02:51:03 pm
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on October 06, 2019, 12:27:45 pmI agree that the statistics says it should be true, but it is not established as 'fact' yet.

author: Sal Ammoniac
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2019, 03:03:16 pm
content: Quote from: GlennSprigg on October 06, 2019, 12:27:45 pmSorry, no, but it's not fact. Perhaps that's why you quoted fact in this case. There is no demonstrable evidence whatsoever that life exists elsewhere in the universe. I do, of course, believe that life does exist on other worlds, but since there is no evidence for that belief, I cannot call it a fact.I think life is relatively uncommon in the universe (most places are too cold, too hot, or bathed in deadly radiation) and believe that intelligent life is exceedingly rare. I would be very surprised if there were more than a handful of intelligent species per galaxy. Most of us grew up watching Star Trek and Star Wars, and since both of these fictional universes are teeming with intelligent life, assume that must be true in our own reality.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2019, 03:17:01 pm
content: First off, as Zero999 said earlier, UFO just stands for anything that's flying and has not been identified. Period.Just because "UFO" is mentioned doesn't mean it has anything to do with extraterrestrial stuff, let alone contain anything living. Of course professional pilots are bound to see "UFOs" at some point.And of course it can just be optical illusions, if all we have are images, and/or reports of having "seen" something. No need for any drama.Quote from: Zero999 on October 06, 2019, 02:35:03 pmYup. It's all in the distances vs. life expectancy. We don't know anything about potential other forms of life in the universe, but we know about life on Earth, and over here, there's a clear mismatch.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2019, 06:42:14 pm
content: Those UFO sightings that include radar detection are unlikely to be purely optical/visual phenomena.I'm not saying I have any firm idea of what they are; just that there is some phenomena behind at least some of the sightings that in my opinion warrants real research.Unfortunately, paraphrasing VK3DRB, "scientists destroy their integrity in one hit" if they suggest any kind of actual research into UFO phenomena.When that kind of stigma gets associated with a topic, it can take generations for it to wear off. An excellent example of this is ball lightning: till 1960s, it was considered a silly superstition that noproperscientist should touch, even though it has been reported in detail throughout centuries. We still have very little hard facts on what ball lightning really is -- that is, we know about as much as we know about UFOs --, even though we can reproduce some ball lightning variants in laboratory conditions. Very few physicists are interested in researching it, because of the still perceived risks on ones reputation.Funny thing is, if ball lightning involves plasma phenomena, knowing how it works (holds itself together without external forces at temperatures where it glows brightly) might have immediate real-world application in fusion reactors (specifically, plasma containment).So, exaggerating only a little, you could blame that "destroy their integrity in one hit" for us not having fusion-based energy plants yet.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2019, 01:21:27 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on October 11, 2019, 06:42:14 pmNever said that. Research is good to find out the truth. But to say they are absolutely sure there is intelligent life out there is nonsense. People believe all sorts of silly things. Some of those beliefs are quite dangerous.One of the biggest researches into UFO's was the Frederick Valentich UFO incident over Bass Strait in October 1978. I had an interest in it because I had known Fred personally for some years; I saw him at the library at RMIT just two weeks before the incident happened. The incident launched the biggest government "search and rescue" operations in Victoria's history. A subsequent government investigation resulted in a "no conclusion" for what happened to Fred. The fact that there was no oil slick and no debris from his Cesna 182 anywhere near where he disappeared, made the event explainable. Whilst there are plenty of wild theories, beliefs and suspicions, it remains a big mystery. No-one knows what happened to Fred.

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2019, 03:52:49 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 12, 2019, 01:21:27 pmYou are demonstrating the fine points of the difference between language and mathematics. I am sure I am not going to win the lottery, even though I occasionally buy a ticket. Technically, I am wrong. But the odds are so extreme against it that for all practical purposes I am correct. And will frequently say that I am sure I am not going to win.Dismissing all scientists who are a bit loose in their language in public discussions is just as daft as the ancient ufo crazies on TV.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2019, 05:38:03 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 12, 2019, 01:21:27 pmYou did say "scientists destroy their integrity in one hit by publicly saying their believe there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe without ever having even a scrap of evidence". That sentiment exactly causes the loss of reputation if one dares suggest research into any unconventonal phenomena. Maybe you personally consider research into some specific ones okay, but it is that sentiment in general I seriously object to.In a way the question of whether there is intelligent life out there, is nonsensical: we haven't even defined what intelligent life is yet. In fact, we're having quite a lot of trouble defining exactly what life itself is. Considering that several nonhuman species have shown both independent tool use and tool construction, and the capabiity for abstract thought (reasoning/logic, not just counting), I would claim humans aren't even the only intelligent species on Earth. If we cannot agree on the definitions, what is the point of arguing about it?Quote from: VK3DRB on October 12, 2019, 01:21:27 pmBeliefs on extraterrestrial visitation, healing crystal magic, leylines, and so on, are quite benign. Compare to prevalent political views, that cause war, and kills thousands of people every year.It is rarely those who believe something is possible that cause stagnation in society and science; it is the naysayers who believe resources would be wasted by looking into questions theyknowbelievethey already have the answers to. It's not the ones who ask questions who are the dangerous ones; it is the ones who insists answers are already known and fixed in stone.

author: CDaniel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2019, 06:46:48 pm
content: For life in Univers , which we don't understand how has began on our planet , I doubt simple statics can apply ... could be very well just a singular event .UFO "actions" are not logical whatsoever , watching us in this way with all that technology is foolish ... is just in human nature to think like that

author: Rick Law
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2019, 02:12:17 am
content: Quote from: CDaniel on October 12, 2019, 06:46:48 pmre:"For life in Univers , which we don't understand how has began on our planet..."I disagree with your premise that we don't understand how life begun on our planet. May be it is just a language or expression issue here.I think we understood well how life can begin, and we have many hypothesis and how it might have begun. What we don't know the path life actually took. Was it one of our feasible hypothesis? or one we never foresaw?re: "...UFO "actions" are not logical whatsoever , watching us in this way with all that technology is foolish ..."Some of us (scientist and curious individuals) takes time to study the night stars, some of us takes time to maintain a fish tank just to look at (study) the fish, some of us look through microscope at a drop of water from the brook to study what if anything is swimming in that tiny drop of water.For a civilization to develop technology, they likely have curiosity. With curiosity, they (the ET's) would likely simply want to know if there is another planet and another civilization.In my thinking, it would actually be illogical for them not to have the curiosity to find out is there someone else out there, what are they, and how are they like? They would be doing what we would do when we made first contact with a tribe in some isolated jungle or island. However, statistically speaking, it is unlikely - so many galaxies, so many stars, and so far away. Our solar system is but one in trillions of choices in their search.