Batteriser: expand the battery life of disposable batteries by 800%! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: PeterL
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 08:16:32 pm
content: Link:http://www.pcworld.com/article/2928997/batteriser-is-a-250-gadget-that-extends-disposable-battery-life-by-800-percent.htmlalso a popular dutch news site here:http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/4061033/gadget-van-2-euro-verlengt-levensduur-batterij-met-800-procent.htmlCatchwords:-industrial espionage (with a picture of a busted-in office door!)-Silicon Valley-Ph.D. in electrical engineering-VP stint at Broadcom and a CEO stint at FlexPower-patent-below 1.35 or even 1.4 volts-prove it’s not snake oil-saving the planet-15 billion batteries-Indiegogo (end of june)Bonus quotes:physics department of San Jose State University by Dr. Kiumars Parvin:“We tested the Batteriser sleeve in our lab and we confirmed that the Batteriser taps into 80 percent of energy that is usually thrown away,”ex-CTO of Energizer:`.... we’re chemical engineers, and we weren’t thinking about power management.’So, it must be true!

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 08:35:52 pm
content: "Batteriser taps into 80 percent of energy that is usually thrown away,”Isn't that what the guys with the iPhone sleeve that recharges the phone's battery using the emitted radio signal claimed too? "Uses wasted energy!".WTF is going on with these kooks recently ...EDIT:That thing is nothing else but a Joule Thief. It boosts the voltage of the cell so that the connected device doesn't shut down prematurely when it detects dead cell.Oh and Ilovethat "test" with the bluetooth receiver - of course that thing will report a "full battery" because it measures only voltage. The question is how long it will actually manage to run on that - and they didn't measure that. They cannot get around the battery discharge curve. If they calculate the "savings" by declaring the battery "dead" at 1.4 volts, well, no wonder they can get to those 80%. Wonderful example of moving the goalposts conveniently.I believe that what they have built is actually legit - there isn't anything special about a miniature boost converter. What isn't kosher is the breathless reporting by clueless journos and their marketing ...

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 08:57:39 pm
content: Topic already started on June 2 ...https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/'batterizer'-claims-to-increase-disposable-battery-life-8x/

author: PeterL
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 07:15:35 am
content: Quote from: janoc on June 03, 2015, 08:35:52 pmThat's exactly what bothered me about this, in more than one way.Quote from: retiredcaps on June 03, 2015, 08:57:39 pmOh sorry I missed that, let's close this thread then.

author: Kalidor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2015, 04:51:17 am
content: This BS is now on IGG raised $72K in 22h.https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x/x/10280792#/story

author: JJayzX
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 28, 2015, 05:53:42 pm
content: There's an article on yahoo and even mentions Dave's video about it and response from the "CEO".https://www.yahoo.com/makers/breakthrough-battery-gadget-answers-critics-125063020800.html

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2015, 10:37:51 am
content: So, they are going after the rechargeable battery market as well now:Bob Roohparvar16 hours ago@jllobetWe are in the process of completing our customized IC (Integrated Circuit) design for Rechargeables. After receiving the IC from the fab and testing it we can introduce the new Batteriser for Rechargeables.We do not recommend using the current Batteriser with Rechargeables.The reason for this is the current Batteriser will discharge the rechargeable batteries too low which can reduce their charge retention.The Rechargeable version (coming soon) of Batteriser will address the issue.

author: CanadianAvenger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2015, 07:39:19 pm
content: I challenged them on their Apple Keyboard video to produce a single commercial device that will demonstrate their 800% more life claim. Let's see if they bite. [Or how long till they censor my comment away]https://youtu.be/NF4zjWynjEo

author: AndreasF
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2015, 09:16:51 pm
content: Quote from: CanadianAvenger on July 30, 2015, 07:39:19 pmI don't see any challenging comment, so not long at all.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2015, 09:46:52 pm
content: You may have missed the final phrase in the video repeating twice: "one hundred percent"So first, how is it magically 13% remaining power becomes 100% new power.Second, assuming first question answered, it is 100% for shit sake, not 800%. False advertising!

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2015, 09:56:53 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on July 30, 2015, 09:46:52 pm100% / 13% ~= 8xIt's a completely misleading "test" though. The battery level indicator uses the battery voltage to estimate the remaining capacity. As soon as you introduce a device to modify the voltage being measured, the indicated battery level becomes absolutely meaningless. Sure it reads 100%, and it will continue to read 100% until it suddenly and inexplicably dies (probably around the same time that it would have died anyway...). The batteriser will do a GREAT job of rendering the battery level indicator on every single device it's installed in completely useless.A REAL test would be to put brand new batteries in a keyboard, run some kind of benchmarking test until the keyboard dies, and measure how long it took. Then restart it - take new batteries, put them in a batteriser, run the same benchmarking test until the keyboard dies, and compare the run time to the first test. Then repeat each of those tests a handful of times to get a nice average. If the runtime with the batteriser is 8x longer than without, I'll eat my words, but it won't be. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it even hurts the run time due to switching losses, since I assume the Apple keyboard already has a DC/DC converter inside that's designed to extract a significant amount of the battery capacity, in which case adding the batteriser just doubles the switching losses and runs the battery out faster. I suspect this will be the case with most other consumer devices as well.I also suspect that they KNOW this, and the fact that they haven't provided ANY measurements for ANY devices shows that they have nothing good to report, and they're bringing it to market anyway. The fact that they have to resort to false advertising (battery level indicator showing 100% on a depleted battery) is VERY telling of the lack of confidence they have in their product. If they had something real, they would show it, instead of resorting to deception.

author: cliffdbrown
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 30, 2015, 10:07:53 pm
content: These clowns have raised almost $125K on indigogo as I type this.I'm bothered that none of the writers that hyped this project have bothered to print any followups suggesting that batteroo's claims may be dubious. What really bugs me though is charlatans like these guys will destroy the crowd funding model.I wrote a complaint to Indigogo, but got back a stock reply email (i.e. we'll investigate, but we can't let you know what we've found).

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2015, 02:05:34 am
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on July 30, 2015, 09:56:53 pmThe point was once you took a bite off a donut it is not a whole donut anymore, no matter how you look at the donut. One would not eat a 1/8 of a donut and get 8 times more calories.

author: sunnyhighway
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2015, 05:02:45 am
content: Quote from: Bud on July 31, 2015, 02:05:34 amIndeed, if the battery level with the Batteriser would show 87% instead of 100%, it would have appeared plausible.

author: CanadianAvenger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2015, 03:36:43 pm
content: Quote from: AndreasF on July 30, 2015, 09:16:51 pmInteresting. When I look while logged in, I can still see the comment, but when I look while not logged in to my account, the comment is not there.Anyway, this is what I wrote:QuoteI commented on the "monkey" videos too, that one has also disappeared.Quote

author: AndreasF
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2015, 06:47:15 pm
content: Quote from: CanadianAvenger on July 31, 2015, 03:36:43 pmWow! So, if someone deletes a Youtube comment I made*, I may not even notice it because it still shows up for me (when logged in)? Sneaky! I can understand why they (Youtube) might do that, but that may also explain the horrendous level of Youtube comments. Maybe some of the commenters would think twice about what they are writing if they saw that a lot of their comments were deleted? But who am I kidding - probably not![*I think the number of comments I ever made on Youtube can be counted on a single hand.]

author: CanadianAvenger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2015, 04:06:08 am
content: Perhaps not deleted, but left in moderation limbo, so it remains, but is not publicly visible.They did seem to respond to it though [and likely to others which I can't see, though one has seemed to become visible.Quote from: Batteriser BattterooTo which I replied:Quote

author: Kalidor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2015, 06:49:00 pm
content: Quote from: AndreasF on July 31, 2015, 06:47:15 pmNormally it's not deleted, if you logged in your comments have a higher ranking for you and it shows up on top, if you are not logged in you have to switch the comment ordering from "Top comments" to "Newest first" or you open the complete comment section which can kill your browser if too big. If your comment gets enough thumbs up it sticks on top.But on this video it has only some few comment, will see if this is possible, just added a link to the EEVblog video.

author: Kalidor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2015, 07:04:14 pm
content: @CanadianAvenger, did you spend a dollar on the IGG campaign? If so I would spam the comments section as I and others do on the Ritot campaign. Just post the link to the EEVblog video.

author: CanadianAvenger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2015, 05:20:42 pm
content: Nope I refused to give those guys even a penny. As for the visibility of the comments, The count is off by one between when logged in, and not logged in. I did try the various options you listed, and mine never shows while not logged in.

author: CanadianAvenger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 07:49:55 am
content: So they've admitted that they're not deleting comments, but rather the settings for comment son their videos are set to "approved only". So it appears they're simply not approving any factually correct critical ones. Another interesting thing is that I have been getting email notifications for replies to a particular comment, even if not approved. YouTube/G+ bug perhaps... but funny, given all I see are people calling them out for their ineptitude.

author: meeder
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 08:33:20 am
content: I have been spamming their Youtube channel as well.They did something sneaky there as well, they cleam that it is not the official batteriser youtube channel but merely a channel made by fans... Yeah right...

author: CanadianAvenger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2015, 04:32:35 pm
content: I haven't been spamming them, just making valid comments or replies. With the exception of one which contained a trollish remark, I think I've been pretty civil in my comments.

author: meeder
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 06:44:11 am
content: Wow, just wow.... Someone is getting a bit irritated on their Youtube page. I got the following reply on a post (see attached image)

author: meeder
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 06:45:31 am
content: another gem...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 07:18:35 am
content: Quote from: AndreasF on July 31, 2015, 06:47:15 pmI think what happens is that you can see your comments, but if a channel like Batteriser has comment moderation turned on your comment won't show up to anyone else until they approve.There seems to be no indication at the commenters end whether the comment is live or not. Horrible

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 10:11:17 am
content: What about some kind of anti-batteriser campaign with some other communities? They deserve it, using professional internet offenders to try to scare people. They are making internet bullying activities, that's something serious.They already crossed that line over 800%, I would say over 9000...Any ideas about an Anti-Batteriser Coalition? This should make these scammers what they deserve.Can anyone write a letter to the universities of these teachers and students too? It even visit them personally if close enough.

author: jancumps
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 10:20:46 am
content: Giving critique on the claims based on engineering principles is just fine.Organized anti-campaigns - or spamming - aren't.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 10:50:30 am
content: Did you guys see this video and disturbingly the comments, just outrageous.Big thumbs up to Arlen ........for giving this arsehole some back.

author: meeder
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 10:57:45 am
content: Brad Jones seems to be a friend of the son of the founder of batteriser. He claims that people who are picking the batteriser claims appart are children but he reacts in a very mature way...

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 10:58:24 am
content: I wouldn't waste any more time on it. Really. Just take a deep breath and walk away. It's simply not worth your energy.People buy nonsense products every day... There is a billion dollar industry for it. Never mind electronics, look at the many other products and foods with misleading and false claims that are marketed.Warn your friends and family if you must, or make a video rebuttal and post it to YouTube and disable comments so you don't have to deal with word abuse. But honestly there is nothing more that will make these guys happy than to get your heart pumping and your blood pressure up.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 11:06:47 am
content: Doctor Bobby must be so proud to have chaps like Brad defending his project...

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 11:10:02 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 17, 2015, 11:03:33 amIt is not useful and cannot be. At the same price you can buy eneloop (if concerned about self discharge) rechargeables or even cheaper. You'll both save the ecology and money. Also, I already imagine a lot of moaning idiots, because batteries leaked and damaged their devices because of the deep discharge (if this thing will be actually delivered).

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 11:32:41 am
content: Quote from: jancumps on August 17, 2015, 10:20:46 amThe plan would be do a campaign based on engineering principles, and also a protest against scammy crowdfunding projects in platforms like IGG. This is becoming a very dangerous plague and this will only benefit to big companies, small ones will have a lot more difficult market environment.A you see, the lack of regulation and massive appearing of professional scammers is making these platforms less attractive to future users because of bad publicity. This could make the business situation even a lot more difficult to future hobbyists and small companies to benefit from crowdfunding campaigns.This shit is a lot more worse than it seems, there should be a lot more of pressure to platforms like IGG to avoid this. These kind of platforms could give lots of nice opportunities to great smart and creative people, but fraudsters are getting the money instead.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 12:10:16 pm
content: Edit: Updated the Youtube comments on my last post to include the full comments, it's actually threatening the boy, and whats more he is one of our own so now I'm really pissed off.www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=105567

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 02:50:50 pm
content: Quote from: jancumps on August 17, 2015, 10:20:46 amI agree.Just keep calling out any incorrect, deceptive or stupid technical claims. But no need to tell engineers that, it's what we do

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 03:52:48 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 17, 2015, 02:50:50 pmIs that enough to stop the flood of scams and snake oil stuff?I understand stupidity is the most difficult illness to cure in humanity, that requires a very strong focus on education and even reformulate the ways to teach and stimulate people to learn (I believe a sophisticated Active Learning is the best way).But the worst part of this is that certain organizations like corporations such as IGG close their eyes to scams such as this because they get the money anyway, despite many people inform them about the false promises of the project and the lack of scientific facts about being not possible to do.Who are the worst ones in this scheme? Batteriser ones aren't, they "just" are tricky liars on an ecosystem that makes it easy to scam people. The worst part of this are the crowdfunding platforms such as IGG, they look elsewhere and get their percentage as any corrupt organization.It's cool to make videos and have your name on some mass media, we live on a world where being known and famous can give you many advantages. But if close you are doing it in both a very educative and entertaining way, you deserve it a lot much more than all these movie stars.Maybe debunking isn't enough, maybe legal and stronger educative action is necessary to stop stupid consumers and penalize scammers.I think that the involved teacher must be known to be part of a scam and his university should take actions against his lack of ethics. Maybe there's even there's an student organization in the university that can protest about it too.It's not about bullying them, they are already doing it with proxy entities to some activists as you see. They have money to make cool videos and lie people without the minimal scientific knowledge to understand it (something I consider it a massive fail of most educative systems/methodologies, of course), those aren't a bunch of occasional eBay scammers but something a lot more serious with big money that need to be stopped ASAP.There's more like them, this could kill the crowdfunding ecosystem that made possible to do nice products without need to get loans or be under other kind of corporate slavery.It's funny to debate and rant all time, but this shit is a lot more serious than it seems and there's need to do something about it. Crowdfunding is becoming a bubble that a lot of shady opportunists are taking advantage of it, this needs to change to make it a sustainable business model.

author: LabSpokane
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 04:15:32 pm
content: The issues for me:- Bringing the field of Electrical Engineering into disrepute by making claims that are incongruent with the facts as the overwhelming majority the industry know them.- I object to the premises being made that are thus totally unreproducable- I object to the designers and manufacturers of the referenced "80% wasteful" devices being unfairly maligned.- I object to the apparent abuse of academic credentials to argue unreproducable premises from authority.- I object to the claiming of inflated academic credentials. I refer to the supposed "Professor of Electrical Engineering" in the "Batteriser Buggers a Monkey" video who received his UNDERGRADUATE degree in 2014.- I object to Silicon Valley's adoption of the PT Barnum marketing model and financing these ridiculous ventures while kicking folks with more humble, but very viable business ideas to the curb.- I object to the abuse of Corporate immunity in making these claims.- I object to such ventures subsequently going public and convincing institutional investors to gamble people's retirement funds on magical thinking.It's about a lot more than $2.50. These types of questionable ventures are rendering the United States a planetary laughingstock when it comes to engineering practices.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 05:28:37 pm
content: https://youtu.be/yuaA-rUBmEcQuote

author: PeterL
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 08:10:12 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on August 17, 2015, 03:52:48 pmNo, but nothing is.I also would not call this one a scam (yet). Questionable marketing? Absolutely! But if they deliver a working product then it's not a scam imho.Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on August 17, 2015, 03:52:48 pmI believe sometime's people need to bump their head to learn something, I know I did.. And it look's like about 5000 (4555 backers atm) people are going to learn something. And 5000 on a worldwide scale really is not that much, nor will the investment make them bankrupt.Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on August 17, 2015, 03:52:48 pmWell I do agree that this saga is really bad for the reputation of the universities.Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on August 17, 2015, 03:52:48 pmCrowdfunding is not shopping. It gives the funders the chance to be the first to have something really cool (think Occulus rift or Pebble) but there is also the risk that the product doesn't perform as wanted (or not at all). This risk is a part of the game, and this risk can be reduced by doing some investigation.Dave did a great job showing that the claims made by batteriser are wrong. Now people can decide themselves what they are going to believe. At least the information is now there, it should be hard to find for anyone doing the search

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 11:03:38 pm
content: The packaging of the batteriser is innovative, and it will definitely be capable of extending battery life in some very specific applications.The problem is that those applications will be edge cases and for the majority of devices it will not extend life and possibly will reduce it. Plus it introduces the hazard of battery leakage and you lose any remaining battery life indications.

author: JimRemington
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 11:05:24 pm
content: I want a battery that will send me email reminders that it is nearly dead, and should be removed from the device before it leaks.

author: LabSpokane
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2015, 11:22:53 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 17, 2015, 10:46:03 pmIf Bob And Frankie had designed an advanced boost converter that would consistently extract another 5% of energy out of an alkaline battery, that would have been plenty good. That would provide a huge economic and environmental benefit in aggregate. And it could have been licensed and designed into devices as the primary boost converter.I don't feel I have overreached with my comments. I don't need to have the Batteriser device to know that it cannot extract energy which no longer is present.

author: mikerj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2015, 11:48:07 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 18, 2015, 12:47:18 amCreating a low voltage boost converter in such a tiny form factor that is capable of analleged1.3A continuous and 4.5A peak takes some not inconsiderable skill. However the bullshit claims and the laughable test methodologies the in their videos suggest they are either incompetent and/or very dishonest.If the Batteriser is real and they employed a proper engineer to design it then why didn't they get his or her advice on the test methodologies? If the same people that did the videos actually designed the device, then you already know it won't work.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 19, 2015, 02:26:23 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 17, 2015, 10:46:03 pmDon't confuse everyone laughing and poking fun at their crazy BS claims with lack of respect for any actual engineering.Both brothers have the credentials to design innovative miniature hardware. They say they have developed custom IP and silicon for this thing, as well as the ultra-miniature electronics, and I think few if any engineers here or anywhere else would not give them credit for that. But because there is no hardware to test, no performance curves, no details on the actual hardware tech at all, people naturally aren't talking about that. So that's not really the communities fault.Remember that it is them that have provided endless material to be lampooned, and no other technical info for the community to take them the last bit seriously, so it's not surprising the response they got.If they published the efficiency envelope from day 1 they might have been taken a lot more seriously, as we'd have some tech to talk about instead of monkey's arses.QuoteAnd it also failed twice in front of the Yahoo reporter. But you can probably cut them some slack there because they are prototypes.

author: LabSpokane
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2015, 04:43:35 pm
content: I'm poking Bob and Frankie precisely *because* they are educated men with credentials. If I thought they were stupid, I wouldn't bother. It's tough love. They're better than this.I don't think they're horrible people. Their family and friends obviously love them and have rallied around to support them. They'd probably be a fun crew to have over for a barbecue.But these crazy claims have to stop.

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2015, 11:55:59 pm
content: Quote from: LabSpokane on August 19, 2015, 04:43:35 pmExtraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

author: CanadianAvenger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2015, 11:46:03 am
content: Quote from: PeterL on August 17, 2015, 08:10:12 pmMarketing and delivering a product that you know does not meet up to the claims is still a scam. These guys are trying to profit off of peoples ignorance. I'm pretty sure they're not that stupid as to believe their product actually does what they claim. In fact due to quiescent losses, the Batterizer might actually have a negative impact of battery life in your device, if you put it on a fresh battery, as they suggest you can.Incidentally, looks like Batterizer has disabled comments on all of the videos. I guess they couldn't take the heat of people asking real questions, and making valid criticisms. I guess the signs were showing that they were cracking when they nasty replies they were making started surfacing..

author: PeterL
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2015, 06:01:32 pm
content: Quote from: CanadianAvenger on August 25, 2015, 11:46:03 amIf only every claim I have ever heard in the marketing of a product was completely true...But these batteroo guys really deserve a masters degree in exaggeration. And not only that, they are also extremely talented in picking facts that suit them, and then rearrange them into a whole new beautiful truth, while gracefully skipping the facts that are not so nice.So yeah, by now they are crossing the line for me too.

author: CanadianAvenger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2015, 12:17:25 pm
content: As a follow-up. Looks like comments are open again on their videos. Speaking of... anyone pick up on any of the slights of hand? I wasted my time on the "full length" video, hoping for an explanation of how the batterizer works, as they promised to do... they never got there. All we get is a 45min talk on why simply measuring cut-out voltage is not enough, and using constant current draw graphs are inaccurate. I hope Dave feels up to another rebuttal.

author: samgab
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2015, 05:36:18 am
content: I for one, think the Batteriser is great and all it is claimed to be, and have bought a container load.I tried the battery charging methods in this videoand it worked great, so I believe the Batteriser people too.Remember: "It's called electrical tape because it conducts electricity".PS: All of the above is a load of crap, in case it wasn't obvious.So many flaws and specious arguments I can't even start addressing them all. I can't wait until someone sends Dave some of them to test.

author: bills
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2015, 06:11:20 am
content: Wow! What is amazing is that video has almost 5 million views.Great advice

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2015, 10:17:47 pm
content: Quote from: bills on September 03, 2015, 06:11:20 amIt's a pisstake. He did a few of them, sadly doesn't make them anymore. Recommend watching them - they're absolutely hilarious and really, really well done.

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 11:52:34 am
content: When the units are delivered, does consumer law 'fit for purpose' apply?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 12:13:57 pm
content: Quote from: SL4P on September 06, 2015, 11:52:34 amitalwaysapplies to consumer good. Hardly anyone will bother to return them though.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 12:16:40 pm
content: Quote from: CanadianAvenger on August 26, 2015, 12:17:25 pmBut they have disabled thumbs since my video exposing the fake dislikes.

author: samgab
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 12:19:18 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 06, 2015, 12:16:40 pmI suspect that whoever made the decision to go with that particular action (buying thumbs-downs) really didn't think you'd pick up on it, much less make a video exposing it. Naive perhaps?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 12:39:06 pm
content: Quote from: samgab on September 06, 2015, 12:19:18 pmTotally naive.Any youtuber creator would pick up on it, let alone a professional youtuber.

author: Kalidor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2016, 11:18:27 am
content: They started refunding the Backers that doesn't want to wait any longer.Like always some people think you can create a new product (even a not working as advertised one) in 3 months.

author: AlienRelics
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2016, 07:15:49 pm
content: I see the Comments section of their crowdfunder is full of angry people waiting on delivery or who only got partial refunds.https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteriser-extend-battery-life-by-up-to-8x#/comments

author: Kalidor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 12:32:01 pm
content: They got sued by Energizerhttp://www.plainsite.org/dockets/2oy0gcdxs/uspto-trademark-trial-and-appeal-board/energizer-brands-llc-v-batteroo-inc/

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2016, 03:54:30 pm
content: In the court document you can read via that link they said they would be shipping their product in March. Though it too did not specify the year.And note the timeline, now they have enough excuses to run this out past next year.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 14, 2016, 11:31:55 am
content: Interesting, the complaint however is more a trademark dispute, similarity of the names could suggest Batterizer is associated with Energizer. Energizer's complaint note that the Batteriser name and its actual function are not descriptive of what it does and could be deceptive.Quote from: Kalidor on May 13, 2016, 12:32:01 pm

author: Kalidor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2016, 06:21:21 pm
content: They begun to ship it, looks like the user experience is great so far.

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2016, 08:05:22 pm
content: QuoteAnd if you put a small circuit to fake the readings from the fuel level sensor in your car your gas gauge would read full too, that doesn't mean it actually is...What gets me is the company does nothing to stop this misinformation, in fact they seem to be actively encouraging it.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2016, 09:17:28 pm
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on November 19, 2016, 08:05:22 pmWhy should they? Theirentirebusiness model is built around it.