I wish all Chinese products were made with this care. - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 10, 2015, 03:29:49 pm
content: Probably propaganda, but still an interesting video on some Chinese phone production.

author: Miles Teg
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2015, 03:52:09 pm
content: Seems good regular for me.Yes there is lot of factory in very bad conditions and process. This one just look normal.But especially it looks BRAND NEW.Everything is new on the production line and quality control.Even good factory i've visited looks often worn out to core strings. Where every material, mate, tools are used until they just disapear in dust. Until it works, it works!Definitely seems a good factory on this video, just to pay attention how they will maintain after somes years.Thanks for the video. Was interesting

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2015, 04:13:05 pm
content: If anyone's interested, charbax from armdevices.net did a lot of factory walkthroughs and posted the videos on their channel :https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL071B6B2FD368114FTablets, laptops, hdmi sticks, set top boxes ... they're all pretty much the same.

author: mcinque
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 10, 2015, 04:18:22 pm
content: Interesting.Look at the professional state-of-the-art smoke adsorber at 02:11

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2015, 04:28:40 pm
content: Nice, they are organized. But it appears very regimented, mind-numbing work. But mariush video shows that's business as usual.A rare comparison, does anyone recall the Motorola factory in Texas? At least compare how they work, just 1 year later, Moto was sold and that massive Texas factory, closed.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2015, 04:41:58 pm
content: Apropos production lines, here is one from 1936, before they cared about ESD...

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2015, 04:44:05 pm
content: .. and the PSU at 2:10, the familiar Mastech 3005 clone. In the corner, that looks like a Hakko style 936 chassis soldering iron.Quote from: mcinque on August 10, 2015, 04:18:22 pm

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2015, 06:04:47 pm
content: My phone looks like it came from there.......

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 11:27:28 am
content: I am not surprised that you cishet patriarchial rich white male shitlords did not pick up on all the human rights abuses in this video. Check your privilege!00:20 Blatant child labour - poor girl should be back at school, learning gender studies or something useful01:23 "Girls job" - blatant sexism here02:55 Workers are treated as robots. The slave master seems proud of this one.03:07 Workers are kidnapped from villages and made to work for a penny.04:33 Absolute evidence of "blame culture"06:00 More discrimination. Only workers who identify as female children are allowed to test the firmware by pressing buttons all day long.I'm sorry, I couldn't take any more... I'm triggering all over.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 01:31:57 pm
content: Those wage slaves in red China are programmed for this mind numbing work because since 1949 their mindset is collectivism. You belong to the communist state. The Chinese Communist Party is your father, your mother and the reason for your existence. If you dare challenge them, you are as good as dead in the double-speak People's Republic of China.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 03:11:45 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on August 11, 2015, 11:27:28 amThat's going in my little file of quotes lol. Thanks.Quote from: VK3DRB on August 11, 2015, 01:31:57 pmWhat lead to the programming leading to similar results outside of China? I didn't know Victorian England was a communist state...It's funny how ultra left wing and ultra right wing Utopias look identical to the vast majority.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 04:16:24 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on August 11, 2015, 11:27:28 amShe probably HAS kids in school. Asian ladies look young all their life. It's Aussie and US girls that often get *-WIDE LOAD-* and oversize by the time they get to 30. You see some girl who looks normal at the shop and then next you see the fattest hips you've ever seen, ever. Nope, asian ladies always look young.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 04:21:58 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on August 11, 2015, 01:31:57 pmLike Julian Assange ? like Edward Snowden ? I don't recall many individuals being hunted down by China for peacemaking. In China you can argue with the police without risking your life. In USA, they regularly taser unconscious people and stroke victims. Working in China means at least you can afford to buy good Chinese food to eat. Conditions here equate to cancer and diabetes.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 04:49:06 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 11, 2015, 04:21:58 pmKeep away from the stir fry, I'm not sure thatwill do you any good.It certainly didn't for the journalist that exposed it. Apparently he was murdered by the Triads or Snakeheads, much like the chap who exposed the illegal milk scandal.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 05:26:01 pm
content: At this moment, nothing is safe in the northern hemisphere. Then again, I know for sure the poison has reached the southern atmosphere as well.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 05:34:49 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 11, 2015, 05:26:01 pmExcept that Alex Jones is full of shit and this is another discredited pile of BS he pushes as the truth to sell himself to conspiracy nuts and you've swallowed hook, line, and sinker. Just think about it, if he believed what he said he does would he DARE talk about it like he does? Nope, he wouldn't.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 05:43:38 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 11, 2015, 05:34:49 pmSo ? it is not as though you are going to bother to check out a single one of the government reports or websites he quotes, because then you'd have little choice but to admit he is right. I'm thinking you'd rather not do that. Fukushima never happened and all that jazz is your motto. Sure, no problem ! whatever

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 05:50:41 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on August 11, 2015, 04:49:06 pmBetter than having the NSA, FBI and Homeland chasing you for exposing the cancer surges in USA kids because of Fukushimahttp://www.integrativecanceranswers.com/fukushima-nuclear-disaster-increased-thyroid-cancer-in-u-s/at least you can reason with the Triads.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 05:53:47 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 11, 2015, 05:43:38 pmI didn't do that because he doesn't link to any. I have seen the studies debunking the Fukushima death cloud hitting the Pacific coast though.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 06:00:41 pm
content: Really? What does any of this have to do with the video?

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 07:04:58 pm
content: Chewbacca.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 11, 2015, 05:50:41 pmThis may help to put things into some perspective:https://xkcd.com/radiation/And come on, I'm sure you're bright enough to understand how the Alex Jones brand works... make up the most outlandish shit, get people proper riled up, roll in the radio ad / book sales dollars. His conspiracies are as plausible as a perpetual motion machine.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2015, 07:57:14 pm
content: This thread is waaay off topic, the gutter oil is gross.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 03:08:37 am
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 11, 2015, 03:11:45 pm'X didn't cause Y because in the past Z caused X' is a fallacy.Anyway, it's interesting how you rush to defend communism.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 03:13:10 am
content: Well, I guess I should have anticipated the pile of nonsense that would get dumped on a relatively open subject. But c'mon people, can you try and start your own subjects if you want to start bickering over politics and woowoo and other BS that has nothing to do with the original subject? Are you really all that inconsiderate?

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 03:15:45 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on August 12, 2015, 03:13:10 amWell, it's you that started the thread with 'probably propaganda'

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 03:55:48 am
content: So to get back on topic.No Wiha screwdrivers or other brand name hand tools, fan to move air, no-name brand Chinese power supply for the assemblers. I'm sure there is some brand name stuff there but only when needed. Less money on tools more money for other stuff.The quality of the build looks really good. I guess I should have a look on youtube for a crappy line to compare it to.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 03:57:36 am
content: Quote from: zapta on August 12, 2015, 03:15:45 amAnd what does that have to do with nuclear disaster contamination from Japan causing thyroid problems in the US?I posted a video showing a Chinese company trying to demonstrate the quality of their production. The propaganda would be the company possibly being shown in a better light than reality.To try and get this back on topic:I have gained much more respect for Chinese products the past few years. My latest cell phone is a Jiayu S3. It cost around $200 shipped to me from China and has impressed me quite a bit. It is well built, fast, and very functional. A Samsung Galaxy S6 costs around $1000 here right now. Even in the USA it is around $500. So my Chinese designed and built phone is a real bargain.My Siglent SDG1025 is also a nice piece of equipment. It is well built and I am hard pressed to find fault with the build quality. Sure the firmware had problems when it was first released but Siglent has fixed almost every concern.My Rigol DS1054Z is also a great bit of kit for the money. It is hard to beat.On the other hand I have a pile of really bad Chinese made battery chargers that are basically fuses made to set off the lithium batteries they are supposed to recharge. There are so many garbage products that look the same on the market it is hard to tell which is good and which has re-used and fake parts. There are also numerous counterfeits you need to be on the alert for.I am just happy to see Chinese products are improving, and many companies there are getting serious about quality and proper design. I think it won't be long before the majority there will get serious about firmware, software, and GUI design too. They did it for hardware. Just one more step.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 04:42:16 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on August 12, 2015, 03:57:36 amKorean also used to have low cost low quality products, and before that the Japanese. Once the Chineese quality will go up the prices will also go up and somebody else will cover the low end. Quality and service do cost money.I don't mind the current situation where we have a wire range of prices so you can chose what fits your needs.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 05:02:59 am
content: The two things I have recently (3-6 months) purchased are an led projector 1280x800http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3D-Home-Theater-Multimedia-3000-Lumens-USB-HDMI-LED-Cinema-Projector-HD-1080P-TV-/111728895488?hash=item1a038fa600and 3 of the action cams two 720 and one 1080 (SJcam)The build quality on all the stuff is good (not great) quality caps are always an issue. In any case the SJcam seems to be the winner quality wise but the plastic on all of them is not bad. I'm using the projector daily and no issues. I have a similar one from two years ago and it's color quality sucks compared to this one. All of the stuff worked out of the box and was good value for money.I wonder how many of these items are produced and shipped daily. Must be massive.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 05:28:54 am
content: Any teardown pics of that projector?

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 05:41:11 am
content: Quote from: amyk on August 12, 2015, 05:28:54 amI planned to but it's hanging on the ceiling. I have shots of the older one, almost identical but the lcd is inferior.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 08:58:04 am
content: Quote from: zapta on August 12, 2015, 03:08:37 amVictorian England was just an example, current day almost everywhere has that same programming. Well except for maybe Bhutan if the media on the place is to be believed.QuoteNot defending communism, just doubting communism is the cause of something that has happened and continues to happen in places as diverse as China, India, the US, England, France, Germany, Mexico, Canada, Spain...If the same thing happens throughout the world with only one or two of those places being communist then that can't be the cause. But the PRC and governments like we have here or in the US do have one thing in common though, a strong anti free trade corporatist agenda and policies put into action by politicians bought by those companies. Maybe that or another commonality is the cause of a common symptom? Or is that illogical reasoning somehow?

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 11:30:40 am
content: I think the interesting article below is also applicable to this thread:http://profoundlydisconnected.com/foundation/bobblehead-mike/

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 11:43:07 am
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 12, 2015, 08:58:04 amAbsolutely.Communism is used by the elite to control people for their own power, privilege and wealth.Capitalism is used by the elite to control people for their own power, privilege and wealth.The two meet there.The difference is in a communist system like that in China, Vietnam, Laos, or in North Korea, there is no free speech and all opposition is crushed, often brutally. But in capitalist system, you don't want to rock the boat too much either. Just ask Ralph Nader about what companies like General Motors will do to those who try to lobby to make cars safer that might affect shareholder profits.I know where I'd rather live. And it isn't under a Marxist-Leninist or Maoist state.Today, most people don't care as long as they can buy cheap stuff on eBay.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 12:50:51 pm
content: You only have to watch rt.com for a while to see all the real news that is suppressed in the USA and EU and AU. Saying there is free speech in any of these countries is bull$#%. You can't discuss anything. Plus the government is monitoring and spying on you all the time.Communism is better for everything from food to space stations to getting married. Simple.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 02:04:30 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 12, 2015, 08:58:04 amThis is exactly the fallacy I pointed out earlier. Possibly it has many causes, communism is one of them.

author: sync
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 03:12:13 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 12, 2015, 12:50:51 pmGhostery found 10 trackers onwww.rt.com:ChartBeat/AnalyticsDoubleClick/AdvertisingEffective Measure/Analytics, AnalyticsGoogle Analytics/Analytics, AnalyticsLiveInternet/AnalyticsRambler/BeaconsScoreCard Research Beacon/Beacons, AnalyticsStatcounter/AnalyticsTNS/AnalyticstrueAnthem/Widgets

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 03:38:45 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 12, 2015, 12:50:51 pmRT is the new Pravda, don't fall for it.It's a government owned tool to distribute propaganda and cherry picked news and view points to international audience.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)#Propaganda_and_related_issues

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 04:41:17 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on August 12, 2015, 03:38:45 pmYou only say that because RT said it first.http://www.rt.com/uk/216559-bbc-rt-budget-horrocks/If government funding is bad, what about the BBC ? and since when does rich people buying and selling networks like toys make them less biased ?BBC is complaining that Chinese news is better, as well as Russian, I guess if you're BBC everyone else would look good. Maybe they can get a help group together with all the aussie and yank media tycoons so they can all wine about how much better RT and CCTV are.It would be priceless if there was one of the many protests and cars on fire and smashed windows and water cannons all around the media building at the same time they were having their meeting too. Because they always always ignore such things, even in famous cases where it is outside the building, and then they'd wonder why nobody watches.Even News is better when it is made in China or Russia 8-) you can pick it up anywhere in the world for free too. Via satellite.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 04:47:34 pm
content: Quote from: sync on August 12, 2015, 03:12:13 pmYou must be watched more than most, because my Ghostery found only 8 trackers onwww.rt.comChartBeat AnalyticsDoubleClick AdvertisingEffective Measure Analytics, AnalyticsGoogle Analytics Analytics, AnalyticsRambler BeaconsScoreCard Research Beacon Beacons, AnalyticsStatcounter AnalyticstrueAnthem Widgetswhat's worse is that EEVBLOG is not free of trackers.... daaa da da dadaaaaaa (spooky)

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 04:48:39 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on August 12, 2015, 03:38:45 pmWhat's wrong with some competition? They aren't different than other media, sensationalists and manipulative. That's what most (all?) journalism institutions or private ones do to get profits, it doesn't matter if they get the money from corporations and/or governments.Or do you say American news media is objective and with a scientific approach?Fuck all them, they all lie...

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 04:59:29 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on August 12, 2015, 02:04:30 pmOk, so it's fallacious to even suggest identical symptoms might be caused by similar causes, but it's not fallacious to just say they are definitely caused by communism in China because... communism bad? Yeah I agree that communism is bad, that's one reason I could never be a member of certain world religions, but really just because?But meh, it'll never get worked out because to do that you'd need to compare a real communist state with a real free market capitalist democracy. And we can't do that because there are none, only pseudo-democratic corporatocracies, pseudo-communist corporatocracies, and one pseudo-communist theocracy when it comes to those two systems.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 05:11:17 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 12, 2015, 04:59:29 pmMM, I was merely pointing out a logical fallacy in your argument. X caused Y doesn't imply that Z can't also cause Y.As for communism vs. freedom, I prefer not to express an opinion here per the OP's request.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 05:19:34 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on August 12, 2015, 05:11:17 pmAh right, but you see I didn't say that. I just said it was more likely that X caused Y in different cultures with the one major similarity than X causing it in one place, Z causing it another, I causing it somewhere else..

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 05:20:56 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 12, 2015, 05:19:34 pm'Likely' sounds better.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 06:19:09 pm
content: Yup, who gives a damn what the original post was? Use this thread for whatever politics/religion/pseudoscience/BS you want. Just keep going even though I asked for it to stop.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 06:27:39 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on August 12, 2015, 06:19:09 pmI think it's better not to worry too much, because the opposite is so much worse, by far. Forums like whirlpool are intolerable because of their oppressive constant censorship. The first post did mention propaganda after all, and there is only just so much you can say about the video. Lots of viewpoints is better than just one or two, the same way a thousand monkeys will eventually blame Putin for everything if the BBC has anything to do with it. It's all good is all I'm suggesting,.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 07:11:53 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on August 12, 2015, 06:19:09 pmYou could include in your first post a question or anything else that will guide the discussion in the direction you want (future of Chinese industry, price be quality, etc).

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 07:16:02 pm
content: ...ahem... anyone have any thoughts on the current Chinese devaluation of the yuan? on Chinese products of course... Will they be made with more care or less now that the managers have to pay more for their imported luxury cars and stuff?... back on track

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 07:25:21 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on August 12, 2015, 07:16:02 pmIt will have no effect on the 9 year olds who make them. They don't drive the luxury cars. Same as luxury jets don't effect minimum wage at walmart, or the number of walmart shootings.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 08:42:48 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 12, 2015, 07:25:21 pmSo no difference in the number of skydivers at the Foxconn factory? got it...(Sorry Lightages, I tried...)

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 09:09:26 pm
content: I am interested in talking about Chinese manufacturing, not the boring and cliché stuff that derailed this thread.At 4:00 in the first video, I see an HP 8922M gsm test set. I wasn't able to identify the electric torque drivers in that part of the video, can anybody do that? At 7:11, what is this machine for? Testing lanyards?Some notes about the production of the video: at first I thought that "propaganda" is the wrong word, we just call this type of communication Public/Consumer Relations. Why should the Politburo be interested in one small phone manufacturer? But there are some details of the production that are strange. The narrator is obviously Russian and I wonder why they were chosen, is there some political reason? The "Gadgets From China" logo is quite jocose with its fu manchu coolie and does seem to be directed toward an export market with old-fashioned ideas about Chinese people. And the remarks about "assembly is so easy it can be done by ignorant peasants who work for pennies" is curious because those with political responsibilities in the country of origin do themselves no favors by speaking in that way. I wonder if the video is really produced by a Russian-affiliated importer or marketing group.The contrast with the Moto X video is also really striking, both factories are performing the same task, but the efficiency and NRE control is so much better in the Chinese case.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 09:26:29 pm
content: Yeah, I found the comment about working for pennies to be a bit strange. The accent isn't Russian, I don't think. She sounds Chinese to me. The apparent chaos in the Texas plant seemed rather distracting from getting things done. On the other hand the Chinese factory was probably closely monitored for proper work behavior. There has to be a happy medium to be found between the two.

author: hendorog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2015, 10:27:42 pm
content: QuoteTesting the USB charge cables can handle being flexed.One end is clamped at the top and the other is pulled down by a weight at the bottom.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 02:07:33 pm
content: Quote from: helius on August 12, 2015, 09:09:26 pmActually, I think the video was produced by some Russian phone traders (like you suspected), trying to show off one of the factories they're sourcing their phones from... The "propaganda" angle in this thread is quite hilarious to be honestThis factory is very much run-of-the-mill by Chinese factory standards, by the way.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 02:11:41 pm
content: Quote from: helius on August 12, 2015, 09:09:26 pmThere are hundreds (thousands?) of different models of electric torque drivers produced by tool manufacturers in China... Underneath the apartment I stay in in Shenzhen there is a floor of tool shops, with several that specialise in torque drivers. So you basically just go to the shop keeper, tell them what you need and see what they recommend (a lot comes down to whether you want to save a few dollars or want a tool that lasts, and has decent tolerances). They're remarkably cheap btw, starting at around $10 for a set (power supply + driver). Good ones (like this one looks like) would start at maybe $60. Of course you can also buy the Japanese and German models but those don't come cheap

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 03:16:30 pm
content: What would the operating cost of this type of production be per unit? From the video it looks like ~80 workers per shift and the narrator says they produce 2000 smart phones a day. It's hard to know the phone price without specs, but 100 USD at wholesale would be believable.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 03:31:05 pm
content: Quote from: helius on August 13, 2015, 03:16:30 pmSuch a thing is too hard to work out. Many governments, many companies, many rich, many spies, they all want to know your every thought and every move. So smart phone to track you is very very cheap to buy. Last new mobiles I buy, I buy 6 for $50 brand new, new model just made. Subsidies everywhere because of spies make it difficult subject to understand.[edit: I mean 6 for $7 per mobile phone, total $42, sorry to confuse]

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 03:41:45 pm
content: You may be right, but I wasn't specifically addressing subsidies in my query. Maybe the company can undercut its competitors if it receives a subsidy, but that won't affect its OPEX. That will be determined by the labor supply, training and turnover, number of assembly steps, how much testing, and so on.

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 04:36:54 pm
content: Quote from: helius on August 13, 2015, 03:41:45 pmI don't mean one company gets a subsidy, I mean all manufacturers of smartphones everywhere get subsidies in one way or another, in the parts chain if need be, but to reduce the cost of the end phone to make specimens tag themselves rather than having aliens capture them and do it manually. (the government/spies/companies I mean)yes, it won't effect the company OPEX (cost of operations)

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 05:31:24 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 13, 2015, 03:31:05 pmYou've got far more money than me. I could only afford the one Galaxy Note 4 and that 'aint cheap. I tell you what, I pity the poor government spy tasked with observing me 24/7. It must be very dull. Then again maybe they employ them from the reality TV addicts? As for every thought - perhaps you have some models of tin foil hat you recommend to stop that?

author: TheElectricChicken
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2015, 06:09:27 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on August 13, 2015, 05:31:24 pmNO NO, I apologize because I confuse everyone. $50 TOTAL. $7 per mobile telephone, new, radio, mp3, dual sim, everything. $7 each. I buy half a dozen for $7 each so I can have enough for the washing machine to wash for two years, and to sit on and break, and can't find.

author: knks
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2015, 11:07:30 pm
content: Where do you get $7 phone?

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2015, 11:23:16 pm
content: Quote from: Macbeth on August 11, 2015, 04:49:06 pmReminds me of the crap that went on in this country in the beginning of the twentieth century.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2015, 11:27:38 pm
content: Quote from: TheElectricChicken on August 11, 2015, 04:16:24 pmI can't help the big smile on my face

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2015, 06:58:38 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 23, 2015, 11:23:16 pmHow early in the 20th century can you remember?

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2015, 04:42:55 pm
content: QuoteIs there any place in the World who is safe?In China you can executed for saying something against the Politics.Sure many the People in the US are Stupid and US Cops are just Cowboys with a Gun.You forget Germany. The learn nothing from the 2nd World War. The was in Afghanistan to Fight for the Freedom in Germany.The same what was in Poland ~70 Years ago. The allow that the Americans have an full Airbase and Airport where innocent "Prissoner" get to there Torture Camps.QuoteSo is there anything what the Chinese not Fake?QuoteSure and if you are from Germany or Austria the will call you an Nazi because you like your Country.Quotehaha you think the BBC is bad? You never watch the ORF (Austrian Government TV Company). Nobody say anything against any Politician or against the Former Government Company's.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2015, 04:29:03 am
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on October 01, 2015, 04:42:55 pmCommunism. It is the real deal, right? Classless society. Workers rights. Abolition of private property. Regional planning. The right to health care for all. Government controlled education. Equality for all. The government takes care of you.Chinese communism is 100% fake. Their communist party leaders are fraudsters, selling a fake religion called communism.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2015, 03:34:03 pm
content: When i hear the propaganda from the Americans the are quite the same in north Korea.