Rossmann Group Looking For A New Shop - Page 1
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author: EEVblog
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timestamp: September 13, 2019, 12:22:32 am
content: Louis Rossmann looking for a new shop is the 2019 reality series of the year.I think there are more videos than are in the playlist:

author: Lord of nothing
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 12:00:55 am
content: omgAre I am the only one who think its a horrible idea to make a Floor out of Wood?!

author: Monkeh
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 12:06:46 am
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on January 08, 2020, 12:00:55 amYes.

author: Lord of nothing
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 12:25:49 am
content: When you put some Wires under them and the catch Fire?!Maybe someone know:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2020, 12:32:12 am
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on January 08, 2020, 12:25:49 amUntold hundreds of millions of houses have wooden construction and wires. Things don't burst into flames at random.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2020, 01:00:12 am
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on January 08, 2020, 12:00:55 amI'd say most houses have a wood floor

author: wraper
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 01:15:31 am
content: Quote from: langwadt on January 08, 2020, 01:00:12 amThe problem is not a wood floor as such but how it was done.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2020, 01:19:50 am
content: Quote from: wraper on January 08, 2020, 01:15:31 amsure, but Lord of nothing seem to think the wood is a problem

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2020, 01:27:12 am
content: Almost all US residential construction has the electrical run through/under/above wood, and not in conduit with some exceptions, like Chicago.For the most part perfectly safe if done correctly.

author: I wanted a rude username
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2020, 06:07:41 am
content: Quote from: 3roomlab on September 21, 2019, 09:44:14 pmEven more amazingly, he supposedly doesn't use a gyroscopically stabilised mount. Just anLG G8 ThinQ. Apparently it incorporates a Sony camera with optical image stabilisation. That is an expensive flipping phone though.

author: Lord of nothing
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 08:11:16 am
content: QuoteWho?Here in Austria the Law are very strict when it come to Fire safety.

author: floobydust
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 08:48:21 am
content: Wood subfloor sucks, they creak and groan and laminate flooring on top generates a ton of static electricity, absolute crap for a lab. Concrete is great, paint it or floor tile it.In the video, I don't see much for an up-to-code sprinkler system?

author: tszaboo
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 08:51:10 am
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on January 08, 2020, 01:27:12 amYeah, but the houses in the US are just big shacks, made to last 20 years.

author: Brumby
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 12:16:51 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on January 08, 2020, 12:00:55 amIf you were to have followed the journey, you will know why it's been done with wood.What material would you suggest they use?Quote from: Lord of nothing on January 08, 2020, 12:25:49 amThen there are a LOT of homes and other buildings around the world that are death traps!!!Quote from: dr.diesel on January 08, 2020, 01:27:12 amAside from Chicago (about which I know nothing) I absolutely agree.Quote from: Lord of nothing on January 08, 2020, 08:11:16 amLast I checked, New York wasn't in Austria.Quote from: floobydust on January 08, 2020, 08:48:21 amFloor creaking was one of the key issues being addressed with the contractor in recent videos.QuoteConcrete is impractical - for more reasons than one. This has been a subject that has beenrepeatedlyaddressed by Louis and PaulQuoteStrange. I distinctly remember Louis commenting on the sprinkler system as being "up to code".But, with the dismissal of the contractor, the game has changed completely, now.

author: thinkfat
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 12:32:56 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on January 08, 2020, 12:16:51 pmSpeaking of death traps - that reminds me of that one occasion where we visited a friend in Calabria in southern Italy. There was a heavy downpour of rain hitting the entrance of the house and all of a sudden the doorbell started ringing faintly. One of the guys went to have a look and as he touched the metal frame of the doorbell knob, he got a heavy electric shock that sent him to the ground.It turned out that the doorbell was mains powered. Normally, you'd use a low-voltage system to make sure to not electrocute unwitting visitors, but hey, what could possibly go wrong? Wires never get loose, right?What went wrong was that the rain had flooded the cavity in which the doorbell knob was mounted, shorted the electric switch (hence the bell ringing) and of course connected the metal frame to mains voltage.

author: Brumby
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 12:40:11 pm
content: As I cited above....Quote from: dr.diesel on January 08, 2020, 01:27:12 am

author: thinkfat
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 12:45:54 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on January 08, 2020, 12:40:11 pmAnd then there's this thing called "Contractor Creativity"...

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2020, 12:52:51 pm
content: Quote from: thinkfat on January 08, 2020, 12:45:54 pmWhich applies to any construction or material.

author: Cerebus
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 01:06:22 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on January 08, 2020, 08:51:10 amSome bloke called Henry Tudor (kind of known for the number of 'divorces' he had) had this weekend cottage in Epping built out of wood in 1543AD (some 64 years before the founding of Jamestown in Virginia):with wood floors (and wood for everything apart from the tiled roof, fireplaces and chimney, with a bit of plaster slapped here and there):and it's still standing. It even has electricity nowadays.My house has the original wood floors (and electricity) and has been here since Queen Victoria was on the throne.

author: Monkeh
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 05:54:36 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on January 08, 2020, 08:11:16 amAnd yet I can assure you to this day, in Austria, houses are made with both wood and electricity..

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2020, 07:13:54 pm
content: Quote from: thinkfat on January 08, 2020, 12:45:54 pmFor that there are Electrical Code standards that specify rules for electrical wiring over wood structures.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2020, 07:39:07 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on January 08, 2020, 12:16:51 pmSometimes moving or adding a wall in a building is done yet leaving the sprinkler heads in their old position because contractors are lazy crooks. I only saw two at the back end of the room which seemed strange.NFPA 13 (436 pages!) 8.12.3.1 maximum spacing depends on ceiling height and seems to be 12 ft.I thought the floor is presently concrete? I still say a wood subfloor is awful, there are no joists it's just a 2x4 wall on its side. Even 1" is enough.

author: langwadt
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 10:06:49 pm
content: Quote from: floobydust on January 08, 2020, 07:39:07 pmafair he said there is quite the difference in height from from to back of the store and adding enough concrete to level it out would be more weight than the construction can handle.if the joists were shimmed up properly and not just held up with pieces of wood nailed to the side, the spans should be quite short

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: January 08, 2020, 10:57:01 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on January 08, 2020, 12:16:51 pmI haven't been keeping up to date, what's the TLDR?Has Louis done his dough so far?

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 08, 2020, 11:10:30 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 08, 2020, 10:57:01 pmafaict the contractor did crappy work, cut corners and is a bit of scammer with bankruptcies in his past so the work doneso far is scrap and Louis is unlikely to see any of his money back

author: Nusa
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timestamp: January 09, 2020, 12:17:29 am
content: Yeah, the TLDR is that the contractor was a rip-off artist and virtually everything the guy did is substandard and has to be ripped out. Louis is too far down the list of people the contractor owes to expect any money back even if he did bother suing, so the money is gone and Louis got burned. Louis's new plan is to give up on his dream of level floors and just fix the existing floors and other essentials so he can move in.Louis has longer videos on the subject up, but this is the one to watch if you want the short version. The actual firing over the phone conversation starts about 4 minutes in.

author: Lord of nothing
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timestamp: January 09, 2020, 12:38:19 pm
content: I guessed the never heard of:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_loadingQuoteWell I was wondering why the use a Wooden Floor Construction. In my eyes thats a HUGE fire hazard. Lets say a Cheap Chinese Power Supply on the Floor Catch Fire and ash fall truth and the structure below glows until the Fire break wild.QuoteAnd the Burn constantly down... A House Made of Bricks, Congregate would just one Room be burned Down.QuoteBuild by the Mafia...QuoteIn our House and former Shop we used different Materials: Ceramic Tile, Industrial Carpet, PVC ("Linoleum"),...Here I found some from a German Company:https://www.lindner-group.com/de_DE/ausbauprodukte/boden/hohlboden/cavopex/The use "Tiles" out of Cement other Company use Similar "Tiles" out of Not burnable Materials. Here no idiot would do this out of Wood!What I forgott to mention a House who use Wood use a lot of Materials who are not Burn like "Dry Wall plates", Glass Wool Insulation,...

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2020, 04:10:40 pm
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on January 09, 2020, 12:38:19 pmThankfully, people who actually know what they're talking about make these sorts of decisions..

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2020, 05:00:19 pm
content: Basically the floor is not flat, it's something like 2-3" height difference between the middle of the floor and the sidesCan't use concrete because there's not enough pillars / support beams / whatever they're called in the cellar - the weight of concrete or other materials that would make the floor flat PLUS what you'd have on top (desks, equipment) would be too much and cause the floor to break and you'd end up in the basement.Yeah, he got screwed out of 20-30k ... about the same as he gets through gofundme campaign, so it's not like he ends up bankrupt or anything, it's just a significant loss.The floor as is now could work for a few years, but it's built wrong and it would eventually get worse. Also, he would have to hire some other companies to fix the bathroom (because floor was raised the bathroom would also have to be raised) and the front of the store also has to be done ... it's a lot of added costs.So I guess he decided to just take out the bad floor and accept the loss and just put some tile on the floor and move sooner into the new store.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 05:29:16 am
content: Quote from: mariush on January 09, 2020, 05:00:19 pmCan't he just get a concrete dude in to flatten it out?

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 09:16:22 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 10, 2020, 05:29:16 amapparently the structure can't carry that much extra load

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 09:45:51 am
content: QuoteWE TE EF?! And the Rent this "Shit Hole"?Here in Austria I would call the Authorities first to inspect it if is safe to Use.Its not normal that the Floor bend!

author: MasterBuilder
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 10:22:07 am
content: Floor levelling options:1. Raise the low part. Pour a screed if there a big drop like 1", less than that a floor levelling compound may be used. These options need a lot of material which would indeed weigh a lot.2. Lower the high part. A diamond wheel on a grinder will do this hard messy work. But 2/3" is probably excessive.3. Build a wooden floor over the existing unlevel subfloor. Seems the best option for this considering the weight issues. This should be no problem to a reputable contractor.

author: Nusa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 11:10:06 am
content: #1 too heavy#2 likely not practical. This isn't on a slab, there's a basement under. I don't know the underlying structure, but it's a NYC building over 100 years old, so imagine.#3 was what he was having done when he got burned by the contractor. He's now too short on cash and time to risk trying that again.Remember, he's paying rent on two stores the longer this process takes. So moving is now becoming important than making everything perfect.Louis didn't start this thread and is not likely to read it. If you have genuine useful suggestions after actually looking at his youtube videos of the store, contact him directly. If you ask how to contact him, then I instantly know you skipped looking at his videos.

author: Lord of nothing
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timestamp: January 10, 2020, 11:29:39 am
content: QuoteSorry how insane someone must be to Rent that?Ok ok back when my Dads "Company" was looking for a affordable Shop we did make a Deal with the Owner of the Building that he is paying for new Window, Door and Floor and we Paint the Wall our Self and make the IT, Phone and other Wire our self.That was far from then what Mr. Rossmann should do.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 11:43:34 am
content: Quote from: langwadt on January 10, 2020, 09:16:22 amThen how about just flattening out a centre strip and have a small flat step either side?If it's even enough you could even get wooden pieces custom angle cut either side maybe?Surely there is an easy solution for something like this, it's only a few inches

author: Brumby
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timestamp: January 10, 2020, 12:54:45 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 10, 2020, 11:43:34 amIIRC, the difference at some points was much greater - something like 6", I believe.There solution implemented by the contractor was on the right track ... with one exception and one cheap-out switch.The exception was the means for support of the framing. There should have been shims or packersunderthe framing timber. Instead, there were pieces nailed to the side - which had a time advantage against fitting packers. These pieces relied on the shear rigidity of nails - which, under the forces you would expect on a floor, would soon give, allowing the surface to droop under load (bouncy floor) and/or enable creaking. Packers under the frame would be under compression and would not budge, especially if a bead of a construction adhesive was applied. If the boards could be lifted, these packers could still be fitted and the floor salvaged - but it seems lifting the boards is problematic.The cheap-out was the change to OSB. I cringed when Louis and Paul let that one slide.

author: sokoloff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 01:20:31 pm
content: Quote from: floobydust on January 08, 2020, 07:39:07 pmOr perhaps more commonly, because a property user hires a contractor to move a wall and doesn’t hire one to update the sprinkler system.Sure, there are crooks in contracting, but there’s almost surely a lot more (in absolute numbers) tight with a buck property owner/users than crooked contractors.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 01:30:59 pm
content: A few years ago, I redid the floor on my parent's kitchen, in the middle floor of a three-story house, with a wood-structure floor. The floor was creaking, and had sagged an inch or so from a very heavy brick bread oven. The structure was two layers of two-by-six joists (crossways). To fix most of the sag, I added shims between the two layers, at regular intervals; about half a foot to foot apart.When the house was built over thirty years ago, the floor was made of two layers of floor-quality OSB. (It's over an inch thick, with a long tongue on two sides, and a deep groove on two sides.) Some of it was glued, but all nailed with "floor nails" (friction-adding "collars" near the head), and it was the nails creaked like crazy, at every step. After removing the OSB, shimming, and replacing with new OSB with screws, no glue, the floor is silent now, and has been for five years. (I would have preferred plywood, but the price difference was too high.)At Louis' new store, to get a flat floor with two layers of small joists (two-by-twos at two foot spacing, shims would be needed between the lower joist and the concrete floor, at most a foot intervals. The shims are often wood, so they really are just short pieces of boards of different thicknesses.It is not hard to do, ifIcan do it.A couple of laser levels (that cost less than a hundred bucks) correctly positioned, and a couple of guys can shim the structure flat and level in no time, before the joists are screwed together, then a layer of plywood glued and screwed on to, optionally a second layer glued and screwed on top (to tie large sections of the floor to a single slab -- but note that if the underworks need fixing, the entire slab needs to be replaced), depending on the thickness of the plywood.I am not at all surprised by the comments in the video from people who do that sort of stuff for a living, cursing the contractor to hell.Sure, there are a lot of contractors with shoe size similar to their IQ doing floor work too, but for an average person, it isn't hard. For someone who has talent in organizing and doing that sort of stuff, it should have been a cakewalk: a straightforward job that if well done, would have gained a LOT of positive publicity. Perfect for any honest capable contractor, really.

author: TassiloH
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 02:58:23 pm
content: Quote from: Nusa on January 10, 2020, 11:10:06 amNot necessarily. There is bonded floor filling that is basically styrofoam particles with a cement-based binding agent. That stuff is good from 0.5inch to 10s of inches and does not weigh much. On top of that go pre-made flooring elements, and then the final floor (e.g.https://www.fermacell.com/en/flooringbut there are other companies, too). I have used it once for a remodeling, this is relatively easy and quite fast. Especially with a big rectangular room. No clue if something like that is available in the US, though.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 04:39:18 pm
content: Quote from: Brumby on January 10, 2020, 12:54:45 pmyou can even buy ready-to-go plastic support systems with interlocking wedges or a screw system to adjust the heightshttps://youtu.be/iF0Ns58sfV4

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 04:52:26 pm
content: Yeah...., Day 38....Did you guys watch the other 37 days videos? Rossman seems to shoot and upload every possible shit that often lasts hour, is that in attempt of collect as much youtube money as the sheep crowd can give. Why don't he publish his toilet visit videos, i am sure many of his fans will be excited to watch.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2020, 05:35:09 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on January 10, 2020, 04:52:26 pmNot if you only watch the edited stuffhere.