EEVblog LAB Upgrade - Question - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:03:26 am
content: I talked about this on the last Amp Hour a bit, I'm looking to upgrade my office.And I'm not 100% of the details yet, but it could likely come down to two options:1) Just a bigger corporate office space (maybe double my current 50sqm) in yet another corporate office building on the nth floor. BUT it would potentially have faster internet (in fact that would be a buying requirement). That would enable me to potentially produce more content more efficiently.or2) A bigger space (again double to 1.5 times bigger), but one that has a warehouse style area (with roller door) where I could potentially set up a mechanical type lab and bring in big things etc. That would allow me to potentially use chemicals etc and have other stuff you can't really do in a corporate office building because of ventilation and by-laws etc. i.e the space is zoned for industrial use. BUT, the internet could potentially suck. The same as or maybe even slightly worse than my current 20M/1M ADSL2+ connection. This space would also have a nice office attached to it as well.At present my work flow is to shoot video at the lab and then bring home to edit and upload because I have 100M/2.4M at home. But if I had super fast internet at the lab then I could edit and upload at the lab, and also do better live video etc.So what it may come down to is, does kick arse internet at the lab trump the ability to work on bigger and messier stuff?It is quite unlikely I can find a place with both unfortunately.Comments please. What would you like to see, maybe more content and live shows or whatever is enabled by better internet at the lab, or maybe more interesting content for things that I could do in a warehouse type environment?

author: 8086
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:10:58 am
content: As someone currently looking for space to rent, I say that the larger and more versatile space trumps the internet issue, especially if you have decent internet at home. I would be kicking myself if I limited myself physically for the sake of a few mbps internet speed, but then I suppose I don't have a blog to upload regularly...though I expect I would feel the same even if I did. I have 100/10 mbps cable at home so I would just use that and enjoy the space I have. After all, using the internet is really not the point of having the space, the point is having the space itself.

author: Chipguy
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:13:39 am
content: You are a horder, so you also need space to store all the stuff you got laying around on the floorCheersChipguy

author: Relaxed
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:25:57 am
content: Whats the fastest internet you could get in an office space?

author: tealsuki
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:27:09 am
content: If you were to go the industrial route, (and this is all hypotheticals at this point) what kind of messy/chemical stuff do you think you'd be trying there? Home PCB etching? Perhaps farting about with a CNC machine for fabrication? Are you looking to do more Mike/Jeri type stuff?

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:30:15 am
content: I'd say you have plenty of space currently, just clean it up and organize.Agreed that 20/1 internet speeds would be frustrating, especially when in the YT business. Hell I live in the middle of no-man-knows-where, you could stack dead bodies in my front lawn, it would be months before anyone noticed and I have 50/5.Perhaps a slightly larger corp office, much faster upload, say 5/10M, edit at the lab in 1/10th the time, go home and be happy off the clock.

author: dengorius
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:32:15 am
content: Power tools, sparks, and toxic fumes VS a faster Internet connection?Are you even asking? Go for the warehouse. Cooler content >> more content in my opinion.

author: LIV2
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:34:20 am
content: Regarding the net connection, depending on how much you're willing to spend there are options like BigAir who do a 100/100 service, there's also high speed copper services using a bunch of bonded pairs for metro ethernet/ip line services. you'd be looking at over a thousand a month for your internet connection though.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:34:45 am
content: Quote from: Relaxed on April 23, 2014, 10:25:57 amI am yet to check for sure what and where, but let's assume I could get 100M/100M, compared to my current 100M/2.4M at home, and 20M/1M at the lab.It's all about the upload speed enabling better live streaming video + fast youtube upload, so I can quick edit and upload content if needed, all at the lab.

author: just_fib_it
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:34:49 am
content: I'd go for the warehouse+office style thing. At least there there is a chance that sooner or later a better Internet connection becomes available.In fact have you consisted residential areas? Maybe you can find a (very) small house with a big garage and fast DSL. Although I guess real estate is a lot pricier there than in an industrial area...

author: Puffin
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:35:58 am
content: Stay focussed - go for the space with good 'net access and don't mess about tearing down cars.

author: jpb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:36:50 am
content: I live in the sticks so have rubbish internet. This means that you having fast(er) internet will make no difference to me though perhaps buying your own server farm so the site goes down less would be goodSo my vote is for warehouse rather than office - you'll be wearing a suit next!

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:43:05 am
content: More space, industrial use, more possibilities for other videos and work. I find it hard to believe you can't find a place with fast internet connection too.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:46:24 am
content: Quote from: tealsuki on April 23, 2014, 10:27:09 amWell, at this point it's one of those "don't know" kind of things.What I do know is that at present I can hardly do anything mechanical at my current lab, heck I can barely even drill a hole.And I can't really use my thermal oven even because of the smell and lack of ventilation.So at least the basics like a drill press, mechanical bench with big vice and all the requite hand tools etc. Maybe a lathe or something?I can't even do the basics at home, as I have no "workshop" to speak of.But I'm thinking stuff like a fume cupboard, and yes, PCB etching would be possible, blowing stuff up, basic chemical stuff etc. Things that are enabled by having a big ventilated space with a concrete floor you can sweep clean.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:47:52 am
content: Quote from: just_fib_it on April 23, 2014, 10:34:49 amYeah, probably talking double the price!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:49:57 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on April 23, 2014, 10:43:05 amSmall (affordable) office/warehouse's are not that common, so very little choice. And usually the affordable ones are in the older business parks that don't have good comms infrastructure.Not that anything in my area seems to have decent infrastructure anyway.

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:50:27 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 10:46:24 amYou could build a 40x80' shop in my back 40 acres for around $25k, just move to Indiana!

author: kizzap
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:52:56 am
content: I don't know the extent of the NBN situation in Sydney, but is there anywhere you could get a lab with the warehouse/office mix, and get fibre installed?

author: mickpah
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:53:27 am
content: Hmm, you forgot something... must have interesting dumpster/rubbish room.That should narrow the criteria a bit.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:54:37 am
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on April 23, 2014, 10:50:27 amYou can't get a brick dunny for $25K in Sydney.$45K in this area will buy you a 20sqm storeroom in a basement carpark:http://www.commercialrealestate.com.au/property/2010707859/for-sale/nsw/baulkham-hills/industrial-warehouseFYI, I paid $200K for my current 50sqm office. Now worth about $240K. Welcome to Sydney

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:56:24 am
content: I could find room for an Aussie in my back paddock too. Good luck with the internet though!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:58:26 am
content: Quote from: kizzap on April 23, 2014, 10:52:56 amIf fibre is not already run into your building and/or industrial complex then the answer is that it's beyond the realms of affordability.And then you can get stupid siutations like my building which techncially has fibre into it, but Telstra own it and want to charge $8000/month (yes $8K for 10M/10M ethernet)

author: FearTec
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:03:47 am
content: Warehouse and get on with it alreadySneaker net is cheap.

author: mickpah
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:10:35 am
content: If NBN is important, you can always head north a bit.http://centralcoast.ljhcommercial.com.au/BUJGP1I lucked out after moving into a house up here on the coast after 3 years of living with on the end of 20 year old copper 4.5 km from the exchange ( you suck Telstra) I now have fibre 100/40

author: Chipguy
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:13:33 am
content: Not be able to drill a hole or reflow some PCBs really sucks.Warehouse type extension it is then...

author: LIV2
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:19:46 am
content: North a bit? haha that's an hour drive each way. pennant hills road is ridiculous. I'm glad I don't live on the coast any more!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:20:01 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on April 23, 2014, 11:04:44 amAs I said on the Amp Hour, the new upgrade is happening for financial investment reasons I won't go into. So I'm using it as the opportunity to upgrade my space. There is no problem I'm tryign to solve.My ability (or lack thereof) to finish things will not change because of this, that's just inherent in my nature. That problem rests solely with me and the way I do things and the way I live my life and do this blog. Stuff like the PSU project for example is my fault for even starting those videos to begin with, because ultimately it was just a pet hobby project of mine, and with hindsight the likelihood of "completing" it was not high. Many people didn't understand this and think I have some responsibility to finish it and see it through. I don't, it's a side hobby project of mine I (wrongly?) decided to blog about.And stuff like the Sinclair C5 is once again another side project, of which I have many, some seen and mentioned, some unseen. Once again I can choose to show nothing of these types of projects, and thus perpetuate the illusion that I spend all my time focused on the blog, or I can show them and disappoint some people because I never finish it and they think it's a project I'm doing for the sole purpose of material on the blog which it isn't.Having a warehouse type place might prompt me to work on more side projects that never get finished, or it might not, I don't know. But I personally don't see it changing anything apart from my ability to do mechanical type stuff in my lab, something which I have almost no ability to do at present.

author: MattiStef
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:25:26 am
content: An industrial place with high speed internet would be golden and there must be some currently or will have both at a respectable price point. Even if the internet is not the best you already do uploading at home so that would not change much.A bigger space will let you do bigger things and even bring in people for collaborations etc.As Everyone is offering their location might as well offer you Iceland, we use the internet a lot, hence it is cheep and fast.

author: LIV2
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:29:14 am
content: The problem with being a figurehead of a community is that some people think they should have a say as to what you do, how you run it. sometimes it feels like shutting it all down is worth it just so you don't have to hear the bullshit from people.Haters gonna hate, the sinclair videos are cool!Surely there must be some telco people on the board that can help a brother out re: internet?

author: Chipguy
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:29:28 am
content: Hmmm people have the freedom to choose NOT to watch mechanic / C5 related videos... just saying.This still leaves a lot EE related videos which are already around and will still be coming I believe.Btw, I kinda expect/hope the mobile PSU to come up as a cowdfunded project, once it is all done and sorted, in silence.Going silent about it is definetly the right decisionAnd I could REALLY need one ! .... or 2

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:31:09 am
content: Quote from: MattiStef on April 23, 2014, 11:25:26 amCorrect. If I go for the warehouse space, I can still do my current workflow upload at home.QuoteThe current space I'm considering is actually much more than I need, so yes, room for expansion.

author: BillyD
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:35:00 am
content: And don't forget to get another place which has an amazing garbage room where they kindly leave out tons of great gear for tearing down!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:36:12 am
content: Quote from: Chipguy on April 23, 2014, 11:29:28 amWell of course, because ultimately that's my forte. I suck at mechanical, chemistry etc, so it's not like I'm going to turn into some Ben Krasnow type science channel, or some mechanical oriented channel.But it would be nice to have a space to do say PCB etching videos, and play with some chemicals, or maybe run laser cutter or something else etc by opening the roller door and getting some ventilation.QuoteOf course. But no promises

author: Chipguy
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:36:38 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 11:31:09 amSounds like the best choice then

author: _Sin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:37:40 am
content: The way I see it, the internet speeds may be annoying, but don't prevent you from doing anything, they're just an impediment.The lack of 'warehouse' type space however does provide a hard restriction on what you do.I also figure that while sorting the internet situation out might not be financially viable now, things change on that front fairly continually. So a fibre might be installed, or become affordable, or a cheap wireless option might spring up. An office space is unlikely to spontaneously grow a downstairs garage.So probably getting more/different space is a bigger win than faster internet, provided you're actually keen to utilise that space (i.e. if it just ends up being somewhere to put junk while you do the same blog you do now, it might be a waste...)

author: dexters_lab
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:38:16 am
content: i dont know... buys a sinclair c5 then wants a complete workshopseriously though i think you would make better use of a larger version of what you have now, with faster internet. Surely it must be a pita filming in one location and editing/uploading in another.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:41:11 am
content: BTW, this is a view in through the open roller door at a place we looked at today which we (SWMBO) really liked.It's carpeted, but that could be ripped up and the floor coated to make a good mechanical type workshop.There is another 3 office type rooms behind that + entry foyer + kitchen area.

author: rollatorwieltje
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:46:11 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 10:54:37 amSame shit over here, €25K gets you a parking spaceAnyway, I would get the industrial warehouse, for hobby purposes much more convenient. Nobody nagging you about noise or anything. Especially when you start doing mechanical stuff you'll inevitably start using a dremel or other power tools. You don't want to do that in an office building with cardboard walls, people will start to give you death stares.

author: sacherjj
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:46:33 am
content: Having recently purchased a cheap ($2-3k) CNC router at work for prototyping, I couldn't recommend anything but a space where you can make a little mess. I can't imagine not having the ability to go to a drill press or hit a bench-top grinder.I'm looking at it this way. Other than the internet difference, what can you do in an office type setting that you can't in the warehouse. Pretty much nothing. The list that you can do in the warehouse over office is too large to count. What this does is give you freedom in the future to follow where ever your interests go.It may also mean that even if you don't do mechanical, you might find someone who wants to help with mechanical on a larger project. You would have the space to both work on something, and more importantly the workspace flexibility.

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:53:19 am
content: Is sharing with a like minded - related business an option ? I've done that in the past many times. There are excellent benefits too.I would definitely do it again, if I found a perfect match.

author: sacherjj
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:54:02 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 11:41:11 amThat is much nicer looking than I expected when described as a "Warehouse" space.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:00:59 pm
content: Quote from: digsys on April 23, 2014, 11:53:19 amNope, I'm a loner.

author: mickpah
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:04:43 pm
content: Quote from: LIV2 on April 23, 2014, 11:19:46 amDon't I know it !! I drove to North Ryde everyday for 8 years ( when I wasn't driving to the airport for day trips sometimes 3 days a week - a 3 hour drive each day. It sucked the life out of me)But hey thinking out side the box here, who says Dave has to live where he is ? (other than Dave & She who must be obeyed of course).TO quote the man, a change is good as a holiday.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:10:05 pm
content: Quote from: sacherjj on April 23, 2014, 11:54:02 amYes, it's more like an executive office with a garage and roller door. The previous tenant decided they wanted more office space so carpeted the garage part.As opposed to this style:

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:10:55 pm
content: Another option is to go for something bigger than you need and sub-let any unused space. Where property is at a premium, there will always be demand for 1-room sized spaces, from startups etc.As what you're doing isn't likely to piss off neighbours in adjacent buildings, another option would be a residential property+large garage, and split off part of the house into a self-contained apartment to rent out, leaving the garage plus a room or two office space for you.

author: neuraxon77
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:12:27 pm
content: Dave, the warehouse/office looks nice, you'll be able to make a lot of mess and noise there, just make sure it's warm in winter with fast/reliable Internet otherwise you won't want to be there.I watch your videos for the electronics content, not the mechanical, however much of modern electronics involves mechatronics and a workshop all of your own is a must!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:14:44 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on April 23, 2014, 12:10:55 pmAny house on a suitable size land for that within my area will go for well over $1M

author: sacherjj
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:15:34 pm
content: No one has mentioned the most important part here.What is the quality of the contents of the Garbage Room?

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:16:16 pm
content: How about this idea...You're looking for more than 24 hrs per day, and the ability to grow the blog.Why not invite auditions for an extra online host(s) - with the right (wrong) attitude. Top Gear for Tech...!Then each 'show' could be 50% you, and 50% from one or two other skilled contributors on a regular basis - perhaps like John Dvorak back in the 90s/00s ?That would give everyone some time and variety - especially if someone in the US / Europe / NZ / HKG / S Africa etc to add to the mix.Unfortunately - that may also require good english speakers only.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:17:25 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on April 23, 2014, 12:10:55 pmPossible, but it's hard to differentiate your work area from theirs when you share the same front door, corridors, dunny, and kitchen.Also the rental income from such a small space (maybe $10K/year) usually puts it down into the more trouble than it's worth category.

author: abaxas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:20:31 pm
content: Space > internet speed.Ie having no option is worse than having the option to wait.

author: PeeJay
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:23:49 pm
content: How far are you willing to go? The industrial area at Riverstone has NBN, and traffic is good from your area as it's against the peak flow. There may also be something in Blacktown with NBN but I think it's mostly residential there. Or find a building close to a phone exchange

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:24:46 pm
content: Having read this topic, I have to agree.. I don't think faster internet would automatically mean more/better content.I certainly can imagine it's a PITA to shoot all the video in 1 go in the lab, go home for editing and then discover you forgot a couple of clips (like an ending, the last mailbag was abruptly over IMO) but still want to finish the video the same day...To be honest, I don't know what to think about mechanical projects. I admire machinery, but wouldn't particularly be attracted to seeing a DIY chassis repair or body work.Not being able to use a reflow oven at the office is outrageous , and really needs to be resolved IMHO. Therefore I voted for a varied workplace, where you could probably have a well ventilated area for etching, reflow soldering, some "dirty" mechanical work and other nasty chemicals.In addition, does a "workshop" also mean we can finally enjoy your full blown ranting video's again?

author: 8086
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:26:32 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 12:10:05 pmOff topic, but the first picture made me moist.How much would that cost?

author: dr.diesel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:27:15 pm
content: Quote from: abaxas on April 23, 2014, 12:20:31 pmHave you ever tried to upload an hours worth of HD video on a shit connection? Can take days or dropout requiring you to start all over again. Don't forget, Dave is in the media business as well, he can't spend too much time waiting on bits to upload and crash. YT doesn't always continue correctly when interrupted, I've had it happen on my 50/5M connection.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:37:57 pm
content: QuoteCan't think of anything that would need a fume cupboard - certainly necessary not for PCB making or small-scale reflow, which in a big space wouldn't even need extraction.The one thing that would absolutely require extraction would be a laser cutter.

author: VK5RC
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:40:28 pm
content: While the space would be nice, from a business perspective a figure I recall is that every dollar spent on Capital should return 10, I don't know that a bigger Lab would necessarily come home financially. (From the keep Dave in business fan club).

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:41:35 pm
content: How about this idea...You're looking for more than 24 hrs per day, and the ability to grow the blog.Why not invite auditions for an extra online host(s) - with the right (wrong) attitude. Top Gear for Tech...!Then each 'show' could be 50% you, and 50% from one or two other skilled contributors on a regular basis - perhaps like John Dvorak back in the 90s/00s ?That would give everyone some time and variety - especially if someone in the US / Europe / NZ / HKG / S Africa etc to add to the mix.Unfortunately - that may also require good english speakers only.

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:42:11 pm
content: I am not sure about Australia, but my bet is the telcos there are the same as my country being a formal British colony also. Once it is a business address, I have to pay at least 3 times the price of the residential rate . So I ended using a mobile broadband for my internet usage, and VOIP land line.I wanted a smaller industrial unit but ended getting 2 to 3 times the space of what I needed because people with smaller units do not want to sell or want a price much more than market rate.I figured that I would not want or has freedom to do renovation once I moved in so I spent a lot of time designing the space: fire sprinkle points, "clean" room area, water basin, dirty area, meeting room, storage area, etc etc. Ended up I also partitioned up a few rooms and have been subletting them (small office is easy to rent out here). If I could rent out half of my space, the rent can pay more than my monthly mortage fee. With so many equipment, you can even plan to sell co-working space. After that, I have upgraded all my door knob to keyless type; motion triggered lighting, security webcams, etc. What I did not do well was not using epoxy paint or plastic paint for all my walls and ceilings, and designed and ran a proper exhaust piping.We (my wife and me) also spent a lot time reading fengshui books. There are a lot of sciences in it.My land title is very long term or it shall not worth all the efforts and investment. So it maybe easily 6 month before you can put your first machine in.

author: abaxas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:45:11 pm
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on April 23, 2014, 12:27:15 pmAt least he has the option and , in reality, he only does 2-3 videos a week.

author: han
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:49:00 pm
content: Maybe you didn't need bigger space..I say you need more people, let somebody else do the video editing, maintaining blog, and you can focus yourself for make more YT content..

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:54:28 pm
content: Quote from: PeeJay on April 23, 2014, 12:23:49 pmSWMBO just gave the shoulder shrug and "you won't be here, we won't see you" lineThe advantage for her now is that I'm 5min away tops, she and Sagan drop by all the time, I come and go back home easily if needed etc.But yeah, I'll take a look.QuoteYes, there seems to be a small section of commercial space near the station that should have it.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 12:56:45 pm
content: Quote from: han on April 23, 2014, 12:49:00 pmI've explained why that isn't easy a dozen times

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:04:42 pm
content: The amount of space you have available in your warehouse, in proportion to the space you have in your office will correlate roughly to the amount of time you spend in each. (If you have lots of space you're going to spend a lot of time there.)I've found that nagging the HELL out of the local providers and finding providers that don't advertise (might not be possible in AUS, not sure) can be key in getting decent connectivity when there isn't any at move-in time.You can always upload overnight while you film something else, and so on. Don't settle for shit internet, but don't make it a key buying/leasing decision.

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:05:28 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 12:56:45 pmIf you found the right person, I think you could get a lot more done. Actually finding that person.... that would be the challenge.

author: Towger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:22:15 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 10:46:24 amHere, I would ask how you are going to heat a big ventilated space for half+ the year, but in your case how are you going to cool it? I remember one of your original reasons for getting a commercial office rather than a 'garage' was the air con.For the internet, speed comes with time unless you are out in the sticks. It was not that long ago when ADSL 500k was super fast, now I am on the slowest I can get and it is 100Mbps down and 10Mbps up

author: han
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:23:38 pm
content: I know who the right person ...Sagan from 10 Year from now1. Physically close = yes2. Can read Dave Intention = yes3. Affordable = yes4. Know about the stuff = yes..

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:25:13 pm
content: Quote from: Towger on April 23, 2014, 01:22:15 pmSee the photo I posted it has ducted aircon, and the garage is not a big space.But yes, if it was one fo those big cavernous 10m tall warehouse spaces, that could be a real problem. But I don't need that, I'd be happy to have 30sqm of garage and a small roller door for ventilation.

author: Dr. Frank
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:28:01 pm
content: Dave,as I remember your latter videos, neither space nor internet upload speed are your big problems.If I remember right, you somewhere mentioned, that you don't want to make own, big developments in front of the camera (anymore) (?). So a mechanical / chemical workspace may not be useful.Your internet connection is really mediocre; 32/5 seems to be worldwide average (speedtest.net) but uploading at home (maybe you can get a better upload rate there, for small money) over night should be sufficient for your small business application. Big companies only can afford upload rates > 5MB/s.You just have arranged your new lab / bureau, and finally managed to clean up that mess.Soon later, it was striking that the number of new videos increased measurably.What i missed, was a clear concept, what kind of subjects you now want to boost .. the content was something like random cherry-picking, and sometimes very old technolgies only.Therefore I propose, that you define a more stringent baseline of the videos to produce, enforcing the regular categories like Fundamental Friday, expert interviews, more teardowns and reviews of actual measurement equipment, and so on.If you focus on better content this way, the pretended space and speed problems will be secondary.Sorry if that's too straightforwardFrank

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:28:14 pm
content: Redtape here is not much except ad-hoc inspection by the fire department. You may want to check the compliance list over your side. It may cost you a bomb if the requirement is long. I (Singapore) only required to provide fire extinguisher, emergency spot lights and "exit" lighting. But I loaded up safety posters, eye-wash.

author: electronics man
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:28:27 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 12:17:25 pmYou don't have to live with them!!You could possible separate it in to two different units with different doors

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:38:37 pm
content: Quote from: 8086 on April 23, 2014, 12:26:32 pm$410K for 150sqm total.http://www.norwestcommercial.com.au/sales/30-7-Hoyle-Avenue-CASTLE-HILL/34287.aspx?menuid=112

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:40:45 pm
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on April 23, 2014, 12:27:15 pmI've found Youtube upload to be very reliable, very rarely crashes. But I don't have shitty ADSL2+ 5km form the exchange like I used to have at home. My office ADSL2+ is 50m from the "exchange", and home is a broadband cable.

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:49:09 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 12:17:25 pmI think you may have under estimated the rental income. But if you have decided to rent out, you cannot try to be a nice and sentimental guy anymore to the tenants. Most new businesses shall fail, they have to be the one footing the risk for their business, not you. Once they cannot pay, you have find the replacement and kick them out. Or you can run it like inclubator if you think they have potential.

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:51:14 pm
content: Quote from: han on April 23, 2014, 01:23:38 pmWe have a winner. At first, Dave would just film brief segments of what Sagan's working on. He'd progress to Sagan filming his own segments, then complete blog videos. Dave would have to do the editing at first, then it would progress to Sagan editing his own stuff, and possibly Dave's stuff when necessary or desired.The only hitch would be if Dave and Sagan decide that they each want their own separate identity. I suppose Sagan could decide he wants none of this blogging stuff, but, honestly, he seems to enjoy it even now.In a large warehouse, he could accept larger items for teardown, or even get a 20KV transformer and do Photonicinduction stuff! (Just kidding.) With more space Dave could at least strip the Sinclair down to the frame so he could outsource repair.A simple drill press, sanding machine and saw would allow him much more ability to work with enclosures for his projects. Even non-mechanical people (including myself) can use a bit of mechanical tooling when necessary. In fact, I've been so slack and lazy that my "electronics room" is still unfinished, and I have my power supplies, soldering irons, and variacs on my "mechanical bench" in the garage. The vice comes in handy for Widlarizing parts on the back, anvil-part.Apologies for blabbering on a bit.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:52:21 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on April 23, 2014, 12:29:20 pmLet me ask you this.1) Would you unsubscribe if I halved my rate of regular video production?2) Now, would you unsubscribe if every 2nd video was the Sinclair C5 (or some other video you don't want), but my production rate and other content remained as #1 above?If you said yes to one and not the other, then please explain what the difference is, because I'd really like to know.That comes back to the point Chipguy was trying to make, why do people complain about videos theydon'tlike? Why not simply not watch them.Now, if you subscribed to my channel for a certain type of video, and I stop producing those altogether, then fine, you'd unsubscribe.But if I'm still producing those (even if only occasionally), why not stick around and only watch those when they show up?And yes, you are right, I won't cater to just your needs, I can't. In fact I can't even cater to the "majority", because there is no majority, everyone wants something different.

author: abaxas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:55:37 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 01:52:21 pmIt's a the modern trait of people taking themselves far too seriously and having a bloated view of self/ego.Which is exactly the reason why your blog is so successful! It isn't in the slightest.

author: electronics man
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 01:59:23 pm
content: Anyway save your not going to only make one or two types of videos because that would affect your audience and you need a large audience as that makes you Money. I think some people should just stop complaining

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:00:53 pm
content: Quote from: Dr. Frank on April 23, 2014, 01:28:01 pmAs I mentioned, I am not doing this to solve a "problem", the upgrade is an opportunity that has presented itself. I can chose not to take advantage of and stay where I am, but hey, more space is always a good thing.QuoteAt present I have hardly anything. I can't even use a dremel or a drill without making a mess in my office. A general mechanical workshop is useful for all sorts of stuff including teardowns and projects.QuoteThis upgrade really has nothing to do with how I might structure my video content. Although both faster internet or a mechanical workshop provide additional video capability.

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:09:45 pm
content: That reminds me of someone who commented, via Youtube, that if the choice was a video with Sagan in it or no video, they would have chosen "no video." I fail to see how ignoring a video is such a burden.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:12:36 pm
content: Quote from: all_repair on April 23, 2014, 01:49:09 pmNot really.24sqm say will only bring in $10K gross in this area.Unless I got a really big space with easily sub-dividable areas, then I'm not going to want give up more than that of it.About all I can (or want to) afford is maybe 150sqm or good space. I can get maybe 250sqm of crappy space for sure, but then I'm not going to want to work there so there is no point.So I might as well hog the whole 150sqm for myself instead of leasing out a third of it say.The whole sub-let thing is totally not want I want to do, and I don't really seem to get any buying advantage or more choice by doing so.It might be common place in other countries to share and sub-let every square meter of precious space, but this is Australia

author: andtfoot
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:14:15 pm
content: If you end up moving, maybe give a shout out for a working bee or something. I'd be happy to help out with my van and tools.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:15:03 pm
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on April 23, 2014, 02:09:45 pmYes, I remember that. There is nothing you can do for these people, it doesn't matter what you do, so or later nothing will be good enough for them.

author: peter.mitchell
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:15:13 pm
content: Bigger space.You said it yourself, you don't even have a drill press, i consider that a necessity for prototyping; holes in cases for buttons/knobs, mounting holes, hole holes holesYou could DIY up some massive tables to put big stuff on; i know your bench is big, but 19inch rackmount stuff is massive, you can't get to both sides on a one sided bench.Lighting for video; oddly, lighting a bigger area is easier, the vastness of the space diffuses light all by itself so it is easier to get better looking lighting.In a warehouse space facility management is much less strict; you can do almost anything you want, whereas your current place, nope.Internet is no big deal; worst case is nothing changes.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:15:26 pm
content: Quote from: andtfoot on April 23, 2014, 02:14:15 pmThanks, may do.

author: Dr. Frank
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:27:33 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 02:00:53 pmIn this case, go for the practical solution .. i.e. more space for "dirty" operations.Frank

author: madshaman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:31:47 pm
content: Having lived a halfway decent amount of time, I'm 100% with most of the others: go for more space; at the end of the day, nothing beats having more room.

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:35:01 pm
content: Go for the warehouse, if you think it opens up more things for you.You can still upload from home, and you could potentially get a faster internet at home in the future.Internet sucks there... here I have 100/6 for 10$ a month, and I can get 200/6 for 15$ a month and a competitor does 1000 down / 30mbps up worldwide, 100mbps metropolitan for about 25$ a month.

author: Anks
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:42:38 pm
content: Just wanted to ask did this come about after the mailbag were SWMBO and Sagen came round. You know what I mean she walked in and said "for god sake Dave what have you done to your office you cant work like this".Only having a laugh do what you feel like its your life and as far as I can tell it looks like you do well for yourself and ill watch your videos still regardless. In fact I watch all of them if I can.Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 02:00:53 pm

author: Jimmyh
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:53:56 pm
content: Hi Dave,I'd go for more space. It will be more efficient and less stressful. All those spaces will look half the size once you move your stuff in. You will be able to handle multiple projects without having to clear space whenever you change tasks. Sure you can try to become more organised, but that takes effort and emotional energy that you could direct to creating content and spending time with your family.Best of luck

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 02:59:40 pm
content: Quote from: VK5RC on April 23, 2014, 12:40:28 pmWell, yes, but it's about lifestyle too.Technically I could have saved my $200K I paid for the current space and continued to use my existing garage.After all, did the current office space bring me in any extra income? Not really, probably not a cent if you really look at it, I'm pretty sure I would have had the same growth if I was still in my home garage.So you could argue that the $200K was wasted money. But ultimately that was an investment, both financially and also lifestyle (work is my lifestyle), and so is this new space (if I get it of course).There are probably better ways I can invest the same money in terms of capital growth etc, but getting a lifestyle upgrade at the same time is not bad thing.Assuming the value of the space does not drop over time, the only thing I'm paying out is the interest on the loan, which isn't nearly the same as the capital.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 03:04:45 pm
content: Quote from: Jimmyh on April 23, 2014, 02:53:56 pmTrue. With the current space, yes, cleaning up helps, but things keep coming in and getting moved around constantly, and there is only so much shelf space I can install in 50sqm.If I had a whole room devoted to shelving and storage then new things or WIP projects can instantly go onto a shelf, and nothing need be left on the floor or bench as it currently is.With either option I'm looking at doubling my space.

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 03:16:54 pm
content: More space, space for a fume cupboard is a must for chip opening. Internet speed will come it always dose in the end and most new industrial estates will have high speed connections from the start. Best option bide your time and make the right buy for your projected needs.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 03:30:20 pm
content: Dave, I enjoy all your videos, regardless of subject. For me, it is 1/2 the subject and 1/2 the presenter and I enjoy your style very much. I would just ask for more videos. I would like to see mailbag Monday, teardown Tuesday and fundamentals Friday every week. I would be happier to see a shorter mailbag if it was every week, providing you had the mail to do something, than a longer video once or twice a month. I, for one, would not object the see the C5 restored in a series of videos as long and you kept up with your regular content. Sagan is welcome any time. I love having my 5 year old granddaughter live with us. Spend all the time you can with him, they grow up so darn fast. Hopefully, he will develop his dad's passion for electronics.That aside, go for the bigger space. If you feel you can accomplish more, make more/varied videos and just generally be more productive while making a property investment that will grow over time, rock on. I appreciate the poll and comments, but ultimately, you have to do what is right for you, not for us. I am just happy to be along for the ride.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 03:31:56 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 02:59:40 pmThat being the case a workplace that includes the family is important. I was fortunate enough to be able to have family spend time with me at work and never regretted it. Of course that could simple mean walking distance in your case.

author: Rutger
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 03:32:19 pm
content: I would strongly advise against buying and rent for the time instead, it is a lot of money to put into an unit and it looks like the Sydney market is inflated.And bubbles will collapse in the future. Keep your money for future opportunities.If you are looking at renting you also have a bigger selection of industrial units, for example;http://www.norwestcommercial.com.au/leases/12-9-Salisbury-Road-CASTLE-HILL/34438.aspx?PType=4,5&Region=22&AreaFrom=120&AreaTo=160As far as internet speed, consider looking at getting 2 internet connections and using hardware to combine those into a single internet connections.Your local provider might already have such a solution.

author: steve30
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 03:40:48 pm
content: Quote from: sacherjj on April 23, 2014, 12:15:34 pmI thought this might matter at first, but doesn't Dave already have enough monitors, dictaphones and photocopiers?

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 03:57:01 pm
content: Damn, that video blogging lark must be paying well. I'm obviously in the wrong business!Anyway, I would make it an absolute necessity for a mechanical workspace. If you can't run at least a drill press, and a power saw then you are limiting your hackymakeyness immensly. Compressor too is very handy and they are bloody loud.So on that basis, warehouse space with office. No question.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 04:01:47 pm
content: Quote from: sleemanj on April 23, 2014, 03:57:01 pmThey don't have to be. An old fridge compressor can put out a lot of pressure, you just need a decent size air tank and no need for high flow rates.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 04:46:28 pm
content: You can get a pretty nice new 1800SqFt house in my area (North Texas) for 150K. You can get cheaper if you go for no upgrades. (cheap carpeting, formica countertops etc)

author: Ronald1962
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 04:58:58 pm
content: I am shocked! What a huge place, shown on the pictures...Do you really need that much space?Your garage was full, your actual office is almost full. I guess that the new roomwill gettin' full also.Many people have this problem (me too). More space means more room for storing thingsyou not really need...Your video cutting / rendering / upload work should be done at home. Pretty close to your family.Your Family will be more happy when you are doing this at home.And when your family is happy, you will be happy.And when Dave is happy, we will be happy...

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 05:19:23 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 11:41:11 amyou got a winner.one room for video editing, kitchen (which you must paint google style, beanbags, fully stocked fridge ). rip out a wall between two offices to create the 'lab'that one has potentialstay away from the other huge cavernous one... sound recording will be a nightmare.. echoes echoes echoes... and whenever a butterfly flaps its wings nextdoor it'll pick up.the low ceiling one is better. convert the carpeted garage area back to cement floor (epoxy coated) for machinery workshop and c5 rework.convert office spaces to lab. And make a google-style kitchen. most likely the interior walls are loose frame and can be knocked out very easily.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 05:49:02 pm
content: Photos!!! Need Photos!!

author: jebcom
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 06:14:05 pm
content: Well, how about a simple answer to the inquiry that you originally posed.My opinion - go for #2 with the warehouse type space, as long as you can live with the workflow of uploading your videos from home.I love my detached double-depth garage that lets me do almost anything I want. Plus my American style basement with its own workable if small shop/lab area. I can't imagine trying to do all the stuff I like to do if I was limited to a pure office space.John

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 06:18:21 pm
content: Don't forget to also buy one of those

author: BennyBoy
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 06:21:22 pm
content: What ever you do, make sure you buy it, as rent is for losers! If we all could toss in $20. a piece, that would most likely get you a large down payment.

author: Dr. Frank
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 06:25:35 pm
content: Quote from: jebcom on April 23, 2014, 06:14:05 pmHello John,also love my basement mechanical & analogue labs.. quite comfortable..Would you mind explaining what is anAmerican style basement?Frank

author: madshaman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 06:44:37 pm
content: Quote from: sleemanj on April 23, 2014, 03:57:01 pm+infinityNEVER underestimate the full power of unrestrained hackymakeyness and the room and tools to do it in.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 07:08:50 pm
content: Quote from: madshaman on April 23, 2014, 06:44:37 pmWell, well ... Seeing that Dave has the same problem many of us have, keeping the lab from degrading into a pigsty, I have serious doubts that a larger lab or workshop will be beneficial. I don't think he is going to introduce the strict routine used in well run workshops to keep the place in order. Or to hire a cleaning hand. But it is his money (or the bank's), if he wants to spend it ...

author: Towger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 07:28:29 pm
content: You could rebuild your house for 400k. I am not sure eatching your own boards is a good excuse. How often are you going to do it? One episode?You could shoot it in the bedroom, where we all did it 30+ Years ago :-)

author: jpb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 07:31:22 pm
content: Quote from: Dr. Frank on April 23, 2014, 06:25:35 pmI'm not American so probably have this wrong, but a lot of American houses on the East Coast at least are heated with hot air furnaces which are in the basement so basements tend to be large and warm and good for hobbies etc. Basements in the UK tend to be dark and damp except in London where they have all been converted into flats.

author: electronics man
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 07:59:50 pm
content: Quote from: Towger on April 23, 2014, 07:28:29 pmwhat do you meenwe didsome of us still do

author: Rasz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 08:14:41 pm
content: At this point you might as well sell current lab, sell the house and move out of that Internet shithole.Taiwan is beautiful, cheap, has decent internet, infrastructure, and is just a rock throw from China\electronics mecca.Is there anything that holds you in AU?

author: sacherjj
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 08:25:27 pm
content: One other thing to factor in here, Dave. Having a work shop will be very handy for teaching your son in a few years. It is sad how few people know how to use tools to do anything.Why is it that this poll makes me think someone is flipping me off?

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 08:28:47 pm
content: Go for the bigger space, for the internet issue - just leave the upload on before going to bed. You plan on doing this for a long time, exploring newer and larger things seems like a natural progression.

author: jancumps
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 09:18:00 pm
content: Quote from: electronics man on April 23, 2014, 07:59:50 pmI used the parent's bedroom because that's where the solarium with all the UV TL tubes was.

author: electronics man
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 09:21:51 pm
content: Quote from: jancumps on April 23, 2014, 09:18:00 pmI sometimes do it in my lab (my bedroom)

author: lemmegraphdat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 09:22:42 pm
content: The internet connection is key so option 1.

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 09:29:49 pm
content: My Internet connection at home really sucks...Dave, go for the space over the Internet. You are not limited to ADSL at your business, you should be able to get something better over copper. It's just that you might have to pay to have the line(s) properly equalized and or install repeaters as needed. This should be a one time cost to get you a decent upload speed over copper. ADSL is only good for home use; damn the telecoms that want to try to sell ADSL for business and make it expensive, but useless.Furthermore, if the telco is unwilling to give you dry lines and condition them for you, then you should still be able to order (as an example only) 10 x 20M/1M ADSL2+ connections, if that's all they are selling. Bonding these 10 connections into 1 connection is really, really easy with a Linux server at your office; You need an approx. outlay of 10 x $50 for some decent DSL modems (modems only! no routers are needed) and then the linux server needs 10 ethernet ports (so 3 x 4-port cards) maybe $50 each.. so you have a NR cost of $650 + $1000 for the linux server. $1650 to $2000 max initial costs. Then you have monthly fees of 10x the telco lines for the ADSL which might be $800/month total. That gives you 200M down and 10M up. You even might be able to get a DSL server on ebay for less than $500However, if the telco can condition the lines and can give you 10M up for less cost than this (i.e. a few hundred a month), it's a good deal.Cheers!

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 09:31:02 pm
content: Here in the US broadband is cheap and fast so its not really a concern, in most business parks anyways. Here in fresno an office/warehouse condo in our decent neighborhood is about $2000 a month plus utilities for a place thats about lets say has an office, a bathroom, receptionist area, a lab area, and a roll up door warehouse. about 1800 square feet.. We used to be in one years ago. Just to give you a comparison, however the place you put up a picture up of is way nicer. I have a feeling Baulkham Hills is a much better place than Fresno. I only say a half dozen homeless people on our street today (No lie)

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:18:50 pm
content: Dear Dave:--As gamblers are wont to say "Go big, or don't go at all". Have you considered buying a property with multiple garage/shop/storage/retail units. We have a lot of this sort of thing very near me, here in East Orlando and they stay rented. A very good play is retail workshop (automotive, plumbing, AC etc.) in the front with rental shop units in the back. In the midst of the great recession, business rental units rent better than ever. I am sure you must have that sort of thing in Sydney. You are a going concern, and you have some capital. I see no reason why the banks would not at least give you a look. Between you and the Mrs. you should be able to manage the thing if it is not too large, say 3 to 10 units, and be well rewarded for your time.--I have several friends who have shops in a industrial rental shop complex, and they build a small office room inside and HVAC it only to save energy. A couple of these friends even (don't tell) even live in the office to save money while they are building the business. I am going to be out of my residence for several months, while a complete rehab is done, and I may well just rent and (don't tell) live in one of these, being a bachelor."I do believe it is the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel."Rosie O'Donnell1962 -Best RegardsClear Ether

author: jhalar
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:40:34 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 10:58:26 amOptus are similar in pricing unfortunately. Its time to ditch the main carriers for other providers.You can get multi copper pair SHDSL internet services at 20M/20M 750GB/month for $1000/month or less for 10M/10M.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 10:59:22 pm
content: Quote from: 3roomlab on April 23, 2014, 04:38:28 pmNot possible unless we moved.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:02:02 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on April 23, 2014, 05:19:23 pmYes, they can be.But could likely use it all as-is apart from the carpet in the garage.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:04:41 pm
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on April 23, 2014, 07:08:50 pmYeah, but now I'd have a pigstywitha workshop area.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:07:39 pm
content: Quote from: Towger on April 23, 2014, 07:28:29 pmSure, but that's not really an investment when you already have a decent (if smallish) home. The point is to acquire other assets.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:10:40 pm
content: Quote from: Rasz on April 23, 2014, 08:14:41 pmErr, just my wife, family, friends, Sagans future, lifestyle, language etc.

author: Postal666
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2014, 11:24:39 pm
content: Quote from: dr.diesel on April 23, 2014, 10:50:27 amHell yeah, do it! I'll help you unpack!

author: David_AVD
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 12:22:54 am
content: The unit I bought has a 30 m2 office (all to myself) and 170 m2 warehouse area. We added a workshop with mezzanine over about 100 m2 of the warehouse area. The rest of it is filled with racking and some mechanical / heavy areas.Units like ours are around $400K now I think (without the workshop/mezz).

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 12:28:10 am
content: Quote from: jpb on April 23, 2014, 07:31:22 pmAnd basements in NZ and AU tend to not exist :-)

author: LIV2
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 12:28:40 am
content: Quote from: G7PSK on April 23, 2014, 03:16:54 pmHell yes! I'd love to see chip teardowns!Quote from: David_AVD on April 24, 2014, 12:22:54 amThis is a good idea too, a mate of mine bought a warehouse/industrial kinda place for his business and built a level above the ground floor for offices etc and it works well.it'd be perfect for what Dave needs I reckon, not sure how much affordable real estate there is in his area though. Maybe Hornsby would have some but driving up Pennant Hills road is enough to make one have a stroke from all the road rage.

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 12:29:37 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 11:10:40 pmplenty of places that you could move to and retain the same lifestyle, language, future possibilities (for sagan, and yourself) and id hope your wife would move with you, lol. family and friends should be the only real issue. but thats enough of a reason if you dont really want to move.my $0.02, i say do what you want to do, not what you think viewers want to see. i enjoy watching your vids and i dont want to see you burn out because your not doing what makes you happy. that is part of the appeal. you love your work, and that kind of positive attitude is contagious. no matter what you choose, you will surely piss off some viewers, and im sure add more new viewers. in the end its all the same, so do what you enjoy!

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 12:33:40 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 10:03:26 amFrom a purely personal/selfish issue, I would love to see more of your content.However, I would think the warehouse type space would be the better move. When I started my business, we were in an office space. We outsourced everything and didn't miss having warehouse space.Then I moved into a warehouse with attached office (ironically with slower internet). We found the warehouse space so useful that we then moved into a larger warehouse only space. During that time, faster internet became available.Unless things are dramatically different in Oz, isn't it likely that during your ownership of the business, internet speeds will improve?I can tell you it is *really* nice having a big warehouse with rollup doors and a forklift truck and being able to use whatever machinery I want (and have 3-phase power).

author: LIV2
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 12:41:34 am
content: Internet won't get better unless you pay exorbitant prices for Fibre to be connected, or go for Fixed Wireless which is over a grand a month.Maybe one day the NBN will actually be a thing, and this won't be an issue but I don't think that's going to be happening for a long time to come.In the meantime the carriers seem to be unwilling to invest in anything that might actually provide better services to their customers.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 12:55:25 am
content: Quote from: sleemanj on April 24, 2014, 12:28:10 amWhat's a basement?

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 12:57:31 am
content: Quote from: LIV2 on April 24, 2014, 12:41:34 amIs that really so set in stone? I don't know how things work in Oz, though...When we moved from our office space to our warehouse, we went from cable modem service to DSL - like 10M/1M down to 256K. It was bad, and we ran our own mail server and SSL/checkout server. But I was constantly petitioning the cable modem company to install the service on our street which was a business park with multiple potential customers. Being a new street, all wiring was underground (for those that don't know, in the USA most wiring is on poles down the sides of streets). So the cable company resisted considering the huge cost of installing the service requiring digging up the whole road. But they eventually did.And now the same is happening with fiber. The phone company is installing it (to compete with the cable companies)... same issue with them having to justify the cost down our street, but I am sure that we'll have fiber within the next few years.Isn't the same thing likely to happen in the areas Dave would be buying a new warehouse space?I have some trade shows coming up and I am working very late these weeks - often until 1am-2am. I can't even describe how nice it is to be able to fire up the CNC machine at 2am if I want to and start slicing up some titanium, or be making parts on the table saw at 5am on a Sunday if I want. It's so liberating and opens up possibilities I never imagined before. Just figured the internet speed issue might resolve itself with the passage of time and technological progress.

author: staxquad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 02:54:35 am
content: Quote from: codeboy2k on April 23, 2014, 09:29:49 pmyou don't know the meaning of the word "sucks"and I pay $30/month for that privilege, a benefit of living in monopoly Canada off the main drag(the other 7% who get slower probably live in Nunavut, above the Arctic Circle)

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 03:07:27 am
content: I've had it a lot worse.I pay for 100/10, this is what I get most of the time.not trying to brag, but I do hope I can trigger a few phone calls to ISPs about crummy connections.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 04:40:06 am
content: Running slow tonight. The neighbors must be watching Netflix! Typically I am up in the 40+ DL range

author: madshaman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 04:46:02 am
content: Do they not have line-of-sight microwave-based internet in Australia or in your area? Most people here (in Canada) probably don't realise they can buy this kind of service (or care because you can get 50-100Mbps up or down or both over cable and our telecom monopoly has run fibre to the last mile), but it does exist an isn't prohibitively expensive.Here's a random example from where I live I pulled from a google search:http://www.storm.ca/business/wireless-ottawa/Apologies if someone else mentioned already; it's an idea.

author: 6E5
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 04:48:08 am
content: Quality over quantity. I'm perfectly willing to wait twice as long to get twice as much variety.I would like to see more high power projects and perhaps more elaborate machining, such as the use of a CNC. That's the kind of stuff that you can't do in a corporate setting.

author: jebcom
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 04:50:46 am
content: Quote from: Dr. Frank on April 23, 2014, 06:25:35 pmConcrete on 5 sides, floor joists overhead; plenty of plumbing, electric, heating equipment to make us feel manly; radon gas and water trying to seep in through the cracks in the floor and wall that are there because the contractor was too cheap to use reinforcing and the original purchaser was too ignorant to know any better; radon abatement system to try to keep the radon out; sump pit and multiple mains and battery operated pumps to try to keep the water out; comfortably cool during the hot summer which also leads to high humidity and mold growth unless a dehumidifier is used, which of course warms it up a bit; a place to escape what's going on upstairs when necessary; space for workbenches and lab benches and power tools -- the louder the better so you can pretend not to hear when someone upstairs is calling for you; an old dual-sink laundry tub from the days when wives would have to wash laundry by hand, but now a great place to clean up painting supplies and perform the occasional wet experiment; the modern clothes washer and dryer; a place to keep some booze; many places to consume some booze; plenty of shelves, cabinets, and cubbyholes for storage with too much stuff stored and too disorganized. The bowels of a typical American home.But that's just background; not the subject of this thread.

author: LIV2
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 05:12:32 am
content: Quote from: madshaman on April 24, 2014, 04:46:02 amYeah there's fixed wireless services like BigAir which are good, you can get up to 100/100.A couple of my clients use them and there haven't been any complaints

author: m12lrpv
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 05:19:04 am
content: My comment about your choices... Which option gives you enough time with the family? and that may not just mean you being at home but also them coming to visit and staying for longer because you have enough space for them to be there without you tripping over them?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 06:25:35 am
content: Quote from: m12lrpv on April 24, 2014, 05:19:04 amYes, good point. Either option gives more space. The garage door is pretty slick, entry foyer, corridor, 3 rooms, plenty of room to play around.

author: David_AVD
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 08:01:25 am
content: Being able to have pallets dropped inside your door is a great thing. Having a neighboring business with a forklift (or pallet trolley) you can borrow occasionally is good too!

author: _Sin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 09:00:26 am
content: Some of you guys complaining about your internet speeds are hysterical.This is old, but it's not really gotten any better... (but it will, which is why I would absolutely still choose to live here over somewhere crappy with better internet).

author: miceuz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 02:22:24 pm
content: Dave from EEVBlog manually etching a PCB? I'd like to see thatWell, not being able to run reflow oven or drill a hole is just unacceptable, go whatever direction that leads you to self fulfilment.That being said, I don't expect EEVBlog to publish more maker, "hurr durr I'm milling a case" stuff. The most valuable content I get from EEVBlog is that guy puzzling around why is he 2 micro volts off - you can do that from a garage or from a bedroom. The power supply series was the best for me, I don't care for the final product, watching the design process from inside is what's interesting. I could watch Dave browsing datasheets while selecting an opamp for two hoursDave, for me you're the engineer, please keep the level high, don't go the hobbyist/fiddling around with lathe way.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 02:32:08 pm
content: Quote from: _Sin on April 24, 2014, 09:00:26 amOh dear, any slower and you'd be better off with ISDN!

author: BeJay
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 03:01:05 pm
content: ISDN - Did You just swear at me?No really, I remember the OnRamp (Telstra's ISDN name) to the internet highway. Is this the real issue though? I could make a good HD video and if you are using ISDN it would make it to the other end in less than a couple of days... not that bad really. It's all about time management. Unlike ADSL, ISDN will guarantee your packets get there. Forget the internet connection and show us how you can etch your own single layer board. That I have to see

author: Phaedrus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 04:50:03 pm
content: Quote from: _Sin on April 24, 2014, 09:00:26 amChrist, where do you live, the Moon?

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 05:20:48 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 24, 2014, 06:25:35 amSagan could have his own 'safe room'. powered off soldering irons with burn out heating elements, rubber screwdrivers , components with sharp pins cut off...I'm in favor of that one. the cavernous building .. meh... up the stairs down the stairs, echoes everywhere ... not good for recording.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 06:31:28 pm
content: I believe the ISS actually gets 10Mbit / 3Mbit down/up so rather embarrassingly, a space station has faster internet than the average speed I used to get. (Now I'm on 72/19 and all for the same per month, yay for an industry where there actually is competition!)

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 07:20:09 pm
content: Quote from: Phaedrus on April 24, 2014, 04:50:03 pmA small village, most likely..

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 08:17:38 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on April 24, 2014, 05:20:48 pmThat would be cruel - a bunch of useless stuff..!Kids need to learn about stuff that hurts.

author: Rasz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 08:20:58 pm
content: Quote from: deth502 on April 24, 2014, 12:29:37 amDetroit for exampleor Cleveland.

author: G0HZU
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2014, 10:46:13 pm
content: Wow... 100 square metres seems a huge work area to me. Does it make financial sense? I have no idea how much revenue the blog generates or how much the cost of living is in Oz but I can't see anyone here in the UK being able to finance/justify a 100sqm warehouse for a one man EE blog.Note: Obviously I have zero experience of videoblogging so I can only guess at what I think is good advice but here goes...For your blog to thrive I think you need to bring in external (mostly industry related) content. Otherwise I can't see it growing past a certain point and it will go a bit samey and stale. This external content could include video conferencing from reps from the major vendors. i.e. you interview them via a decent video link via the internet. Or they give tutorials in the conference calls with you on hand to ask questions. Obviously you will need a decent internet connection for this.All of the blogs I've seen on youtube are very dated in terms of practical stuff. i.e. the tutorial and practical content could be from the 1980s but this is demonstrated against a backdrop of new 'must have' test gear. It seems very unbalanced.Probably the biggest omission from all the blogs is a video about advice on hobby progression. eg what to do if you want to stop being a shop/office worker and you want (at any age) to make a living from working at a company in the electronics industry. i.e how to get a foot in the door so to speak. Maybe this has already been covered and I've missed it. But if it has been done then it ought to be easy to find.I'm still unsure why you need more space than you already have. I'd argue that many of the EEVBlog videos could have been shot in a spare bedroom in a typical house with no need for a 'lab.' The technical content in the videos doesn't 'need' a lab and I don't see much evidence of the $$$ test equipment on display ever doing anything that contributes to the theory/practical content in the blog anyway. There 'are' interesting teardown/review videos about these items but there doesn't seem to be any justification for needing the test gear in the first place. But the blog sends out the message that these things are needed. So you end up with teenagers asking (on the forum) if they should spend £300 on a brand new Tek or Agilent PSU or something better from another manufacturer. Crazy!

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 12:06:24 am
content: Dear G0HZU:--Hey, I know Dave could go "man on the street" and just stand on the corner, shooting himself holding a multimeter and talking.--Being able to tap the garage door opener remote, drive in, and shut the door after you, beats hauling everything in and out of that elevator. The best residence if ever had was at a shop, not much different from what Dave is considering. If Dave wants to do anything heavier than just light soldering, he is going to need a shop. I think you kind of overlooked the problem of where to store 100 pieces of test equipment, some small some large, many boxes of parts, devices under repair and waiting for parts, pieces of equipment that are being sold on eBay, etc. All of this stuff has to be on hand, and it cannot all be packed in one giant storage box higgledy-piggledy. It has to be out where you can see it, find it, get it, and put it back. That is if you want to have any ideas for blog videos, that go past next week, and want do do a better job of selecting topics than the McKenzie brothers.--Regarding your comments about teenagers and the flogging of non won hung lo PSs, they are unfair and untrue."Get ready Little Lady Hell is coming to breakfast"Lord BuckleyBest RegardsClear Ether

author: G0HZU
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 12:18:46 am
content: QuoteHere's an example from today?https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/does-any-one-have-experience-with-this-pus/

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 12:28:51 am
content: Quote from: G0HZU on April 24, 2014, 10:46:13 pmI will be investing the same money in property anyway, so either I buy something personally unusable and rent it out to someone else and stay were I am, or I use the opportunity to use it myself and improve my working lifestyle.Is it overkill for my bloging needs?, yes right now, absolutely, but who knows what the future will hold?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 12:33:56 am
content: Quote from: G0HZU on April 24, 2014, 10:46:13 pmSure, adding stuff like that occasionally adds variety, and I do that already a bit. But ultimately one thing you are forgetting is that most people subscribe to my channel to see me, not to see someone else. I get complaints already because I'm not on camera enough.

author: nihilism
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 04:14:50 am
content: I think it would be better if you went for the warehouse / factory unit type of premises so you have the freedom to make more noise / use chemicals / receive large deliveries etc.The biggest issues i can see with this option are;1) How difficult and expensive will it be to heat / cool. It needs to be comfortable otherwise you won't want to spend time there.2) Will activities from surrounding businesses affect what you do? The big one would be noise, it probably wouldn't be good to be next to a metal fabricator, motor mechanic or cabinet maker for instance if the noise carries into your workspace.3) Security. You're probably more likely to have a break in than if you're in an office block.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 04:33:48 am
content: More photos of the current front runner. The big area with Sagan running toward a hole in the wall if the "garage" with roller door, there is another storage room behind this.

author: David_AVD
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 04:56:03 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 25, 2014, 04:33:48 amPhotos not showing up for some reason?EDIT: Permissions issue with links Dave.

author: Chipguy
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 05:55:29 am
content: ....But ultimately one thing you are forgetting is that most people subscribe to my channel to see me, not to see someone else.I get complaints already because I'm not on camera enough.That's kinda scary... but anyway..The pics you posted look more then sufficient. I would like it. As long as it's fairly close to home, that's good.I think you current lab improved the quality of your videos somewhat.And I also think this improvement brought you a bit more subscribers than you would have now, still in the garage.However, that's a gut feeling, hard to prove. But you could/would not have made some videos without the lab you have now.Having the mechanical part of the EE life covered also will definetly improve the variety a bit further.Tesla500 has started making videos about his new CNC milling machine and all of a sudden got a complete new group of viewers.The number of his subscribers increased by almost 10% within the last 30 days, being almost constant before.I got these infos from socialblade.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 06:05:12 am
content: Quote from: Chipguy on April 25, 2014, 05:55:29 amThat's a double edged sword. The more variety you do, the more audience it can bring in, but then your content gets spread thinner each time as you try to satisfy all your subscribers (which is impossible). If I had a CNC machine it's unlikely I'd suddenly do a whole series of videos on it, you'd just see it here and there as I do the odd thing with it.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 06:11:35 am
content: @eevblogSagan likes it.Looks like you could move right in. Does it need any modifications?And my 2 cents worth, you are running a small business (Not easy, I know). Unlike most you can't say yes this will make you more profitable. On the other hand trying new things is good, over time some will win some will fail. Does it matter? Yes but only if you put all your eggs in one basket.Good luck, I hope you make a million bucks.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 07:23:49 am
content: Quote from: pickle9000 on April 25, 2014, 06:11:35 amApart from the garage part needing the carpet ripped up and floor coated (who wants carpet in a workshop?), no.Although the workshop could do with it's own sink.Main problem is the price (high), and the Internet will almost certainly suck (3-4.5km from the exchange for ADSL2+).QuoteBlogging, I doubt it

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 08:20:10 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 25, 2014, 07:23:49 amYou never know. Earthlings are weird. A guy who got kicked in the head by a passing train operator in Peru stands to make over $250k on youtube advertising for that one video alone (millions of views).

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 11:18:07 am
content: I see a bit of a conflict with the goals. What is the primary goal? Making a good investment, a lifestyle improvement, or getting a new lab?When making a decision it is a very good idea to only have one primary goal. Because that sets the priorities. Nothing wrong with also having a bunch of secondary goals. But they only come into play if you manage to fulfill the primary goal.So, if it is about making a good investment, will the Internet limitations hurt the investment? Will the distance from home be an issue if it is just about the investment?If the primary goal is getting a new lab, will the Internet limitation reduce the usefulnesses of the lab? The distance from home? The acoustics? The size? What is the likelihood of all the ideas for the new lab being realized?If it is a lifestyle decision, will it help improve the lifestyle?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2014, 11:34:55 am
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on April 25, 2014, 11:18:07 amThe primary goal of spending the money is to invest it. But considering that you can't be sure of making a good investment, then you should at least make sure you aren't making a bad investment.We can invest in something that has nothing to do with the business, but I'm always looking at ways to improve my lifestyle and business as well. So it does make sense to at least consider using the investment to improve those two other things. Is it optimum from an investment point of view? Maybe not, but once again, you can't be sure of that until you have hindsight. What I can be pretty sure of is it would be an improvement in lifestyle and business, and you can argue that it mitigates the risk somewhat because we'd be using the investment ourselves.QuoteProperty investments are always a gamble.QuoteNo more so than any other.QuoteThe one I am considering is technically closer to home than my current office.QuoteBetter than not having the option though.QuoteMore space (and a better outlook for the one I'm considering) is always an improvement in lifestyle IMO.

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2014, 05:24:28 pm
content: I enjoy Dave's blog for his presentation style and the variety of his videos. Some I enjoy more than others which is to be expected. When Dave moved from his garage to the current lab the content broadened and I expect that more space will allow an even wider range of projects to be looked at.Given Dave's stated goals, at the risk of repeating others' comments and recognizing that the videos are not the major part of Dave's week, I believe that a larger space is probably the best alternative.With the extra rooms there will be the option of dedicating space to different tasks and there is the possibility of adding a mezzanine if more space is required.I did notice a lack of power points though - you just can't have too many.Whatever he chooses whilst the videos continue I will continue to watch them.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2014, 06:30:07 pm
content: Dave. Are their any neighboring units or buildings you can ask about their internet service? Run a quick speed test.Real Estate agents..... Salesmen who could not find a used car lot....

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2014, 06:34:16 pm
content: Quote from: calexanian on April 26, 2014, 06:30:07 pmThat's funny. Wrong on multiple levels, but funny.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2014, 06:54:24 pm
content: Hey, my friend is an estate agent!Then again, some are like politicians, the only way to see if they are lying is to see if the lips are moving.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2014, 09:52:05 pm
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on April 26, 2014, 06:34:16 pmI could not help but use that line. O0 I actually know several reel estate agents and brokers and many of them are good people who would laugh at that one liner so I have no problem using it. We all have encountered that one shifty agent in our lives that make all of the other ones look bad. Part of life I guess.

author: gregariz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2014, 10:26:17 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 25, 2014, 11:34:55 amIf you just want more space you could do what Mike did and find a house with a big enough block for a shed out the back. That way you can crawl into it and do work in the middle of the night and you can hear the wife screaming at you from the house at the same time. Best of both worlds. I had a workshop built on the side of my place but I've already learn't that no amount of space is big enough. All that happens is the equipment starts getting bigger. Instead of a bench pick and place you'll find a cheap deal on a 2 ton Juki and then you'll be needing forklifts to move stuff around. If you buy one of those industrial spaces you'll be wanting a forklift license in no time.A good lifestyle investment in property is a place down the coast on the beach you can go to on weekendsThen let a property manager handle it, take lettings and send you cheques.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2014, 11:31:31 pm
content: Quote from: Dave Turner on April 26, 2014, 05:24:28 pmThis one does not have mezzanine capability, as it's effectively just like the garage in a house. Low roof with regular office type drop ceilings and acoustic tiles.This is basically the only one of this type we have found in the area. You normally either get office space like I have now, or you get a tall "warehouse" style which is totally disproportionate in terms of workshop/office ratio. I just need a small workshop with roller door for ventilation/access. The tall also, as mentioned by several are impossible to heat/cool, and acoustically would be pretty awful.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2014, 11:33:26 pm
content: Quote from: calexanian on April 26, 2014, 06:30:07 pmYes, I plan on doing that tomorrow.Real estate agents are useless. They are absolutely clueless about Internet, comms, and power infrastructure.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2014, 11:36:06 pm
content: Quote from: gregariz on April 26, 2014, 10:26:17 pmMike's not married!

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2014, 08:44:22 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 26, 2014, 11:36:06 pmDoesn't seem to worry him at all.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2014, 08:58:28 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on April 27, 2014, 08:44:22 amWhen I was single I could spend anything I wanted on whatever I wanted, now with wife and kids I feel guilty eating out at lunch.It does make a difference, but kids are grown now and yeah I still have to pay for college but that makes a big difference and I get to buy more toys that I could before. But forget about getting a lab for now.Now it's all about retirement money so fat chance I could get a nice setup.Love my wife and kids but yeah, you give up a lot being married.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 27, 2014, 09:23:39 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on April 27, 2014, 08:58:28 amI've turned down at least six paid overseas trips since Sagan was born, and one just before that.No ability to move house, have to be home by a certain time etc

author: Chipguy
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 27, 2014, 09:33:10 am
content: QuoteBut the "payback" from a family is priceless. The one technically closer to home with crap internet would be good enough it seems.You can upload fom home with 2.4 MBit/s. Ok live streaming would suck.

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2014, 11:56:15 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 27, 2014, 09:23:39 amThe right thing to do.I went overseas for 11 years and that dissolved marriage #1 (sort of intentionally)Married while away - had 2-3 longish contracts, and returned with two great children (now 17 & 20)Despite having not had stable work since 2008, they are the thing that keeps me alive every day - despite having diabetic nerve damage and depresswion - and being competely broke (zero, nada, nil, zip) !Good luck - your wife and Sagan look great on the clips - cherish them.

author: David_AVD
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2014, 12:17:18 pm
content: Quote from: miguelvp on April 27, 2014, 08:58:28 amBugger that. Kids can pay (get a HECS loan) for their own higher education.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2014, 08:27:38 pm
content: I am 33, not married, and no kids. I do have lots of space, time, and money for all of my projects! Hahahaha... Ehh... Sometimes I think I would rather be a father though. I still have some time to settle down.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 01:21:21 am
content: Just confirmed from telecomms company next door that the unit I was looking at in the photos has crappy ADSL2+ internet only.Your line speed is 3.65 Mbps (3648 kbps).Your download speed is 456 KB/s (0.45 MB/s).At best 4M/4M symmetrical ethernet over copper.No fibre.Only other choice would be fixed wireless ethernet 100M/100M which I'll get a quote on for either here or any new unit.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 01:25:29 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 28, 2014, 01:21:21 amAnd there lies the problem with ADSL2+: When it gets marginal you get utterly useless amounts of upload bandwidth and no download.You couldn't pay me to be stuck with that..

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 02:14:25 am
content: Telstra have been pestering me to get "upgraded" to a digital phone and an ISAM at the exchange and it will supposedly improve my internet. ButI already get pretty top notch ADSL2+ at the office.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 02:29:20 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 28, 2014, 02:14:25 amLike hell it will. Maybe they offer you Annex M if you do that, though.. which would get you a better upload.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 03:45:56 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on April 28, 2014, 02:29:20 amNope, Telstra don't offer Annex-M

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 03:47:05 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 28, 2014, 03:45:56 amThen you're fucked, it's not getting any better. Cheap bastards.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 03:49:33 am
content: Ok, turns out my current building has professional business wireless internet with BigAir, and they can also offer it to any building within all my local business parks.But it's $800/month for 10M/10M, and a 36 month contract to boot.That would be essential if I moved into this new place that only has crappy long line ADSL2+I guess my question is how serious do I take this blogging business?$800/month would be my biggest business expense by far.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 03:52:34 am
content: Utterly stupid amount of money for a relatively slow connection.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 03:55:39 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on April 28, 2014, 03:52:34 amYes, but the only other option is $100/month for ADSL2+Currently that's just OK at my office:

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 04:04:36 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 28, 2014, 03:49:33 amthat pricing is kind of a joke. I get 76/25 to my apartment for 42$/month, but as a student in north america.for that kind of money (averaged out), I'd try and find somewhere to rig an airfiber getup. (assuming it's allowed in AUS)

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 04:24:00 am
content: Yeah, and I can get 1000/100 now for 49RON a month ..15$ a month, with 1 year contract:linkI'm paying right now ~ 25$ for 100/6 + phone + tv, it's more 'reliable' at the moment, compared to the above. In a few months when they finish upgrading their network, I may change providers.Anyway.. don't commit yourself to a 3 year contract, who knows what you may do in half a year, a year.. 3 years is a lot.

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 04:27:45 am
content: Quote from: Fsck on April 28, 2014, 04:04:36 amBusinesses always get charged more. They are probably using the connection to generate revenue, so why not take advantage of the little guy and ream 'em a bit?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 04:29:20 am
content: Quote from: Fsck on April 28, 2014, 04:04:36 amIt's not a joke, it's a practical reality of living in Australia and operating a business in my local area.People always respond with "but I get X for $X", but that doesn't help my situation at all.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 04:32:38 am
content: There is a 3rd option which is pair gain ethernet, and the speed varies rependign upon your distance from the local exchange. My current building only has 8 pairs left and if 4km form the exchange. They estimate I could get about 2Mbps, maybe 3Mbps symmetrical tops for $300/month for 4 pairs. With 8 pairs I can double that for double the price.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 04:34:53 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 28, 2014, 04:32:38 amand the air fiber idea? it's a pretty fast point to point connection which you can connect to a land connection somewhere else. your only problem is finding somewhere to house that landline with LOS.

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 05:06:01 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 28, 2014, 04:32:38 amWhich is still fairly expensive for mediocre connection speeds, assuming it will work reliably.I assume that there isn't any confirmed service upgrades in the pipeline for the area, so you'd have to factor in that you'd be stuck with that price/performance for 2-5 years. Whilst you could move video uploads to your home connection, that's of no use for streaming or other work you'd want to do at the office. Imagine how poor it would be if you had an office full of staff in one of those units? Back to dial-up speeds. Very surprised at the low quality connectivity options for a relatively new business park, that sucks.BTW, are you doing your speed test through a firewall/router or direct to the modem?

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 05:10:51 am
content: Here where I live, I have 2 choices: Crapcast or overpriced fiber that's not even fast from some local company. I pay $40/month. We used to have 25mbps, but without explanation they downgraded us and still charge the same.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 06:16:47 am
content: Quote from: Fsck on April 28, 2014, 04:34:53 amI live in The Hills district, it gets that name for reasonNo, it's not an option.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 06:21:08 am
content: Quote from: DrGeoff on April 28, 2014, 05:06:01 amYes, I think it's basically $800/month or bust. Dicking around with 2M maybe 3M on a good day at half that price isn't worth the hassle.QuoteYes, there is no plan for NBN in this area for several (apart from new housing (not offices), and even they are on hold because of the new Abbot government apparently).QuoteMy current ADSL2+ connection barely enough for me to do the AmpHour radio show hosted and recorded live. And for those that have watched my live streaming shows, you will know the quality is not great and I have to limit it to 640x480.So I can't imagine having anything slower than my current top seed ADSL2+

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 07:20:22 am
content: I take it there are no VDSL rollouts in your neck of the woods?

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 07:29:46 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 28, 2014, 06:21:08 amI guess then that BigAir has got everyone in the business park by the nuts if they need decent connection bandwidth. Any ideas of the QoS if lots of people decide to connect using it? I wonder what the capability of their upstream pipe is.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 11:47:47 am
content: Quote from: DrGeoff on April 28, 2014, 07:29:46 amThey have an SLA guaranteeing the bandwidth and will not oversubscribe.My current building has a 75Mbps link or something like that straight to the main hub a few hundred meters away.And two of the buildings in the park are linked each with their own dish and fibre in between added by BigAir (I spoke to the guy who actually installed it), so both building have dual link redundancy.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 11:51:09 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on April 28, 2014, 08:40:16 amIt's also update rate, and the recorded version sucks for upload and playback later.QuoteThe "A" in ADSL means Asymmetric, that's just the way to system works. If they could split it 50/50 it would be symmetrical like the other systems I'm talking about.There is "Annex M" that doubles the upload speed, but that is not supported were I am.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 11:52:30 am
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on April 28, 2014, 07:20:22 amNope.That's what BigAir would install, a VDSL2+ modem over my existing copper pairs from the MDF room in the basement were the gear is.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 08:48:06 pm
content: If you can find a place with good connectivity and with line of sight to the place you are contemplating within 13Km then:http://www.ubnt.com/airfiberI know $2K for the pair, but what's that in the big scheme of things?Some of their AirMax equipment might work as well for way less but lower speed too.

author: sparx
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 09:02:37 pm
content: Could you speak to any neighbouring businesses and ask if you could share their connection (if they're on any fast conn), or put your heads and accounts together to pay for the fast wifi?Long time lurker, first post! Love your content!

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 28, 2014, 11:18:24 pm
content: I guess its too much to hope that you could get line of sight between the proposed new site and your home.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 01:21:23 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on April 28, 2014, 08:48:06 pmIf I could find a place with good cheap connectivity, I'd be taking it!I know this is hard t understand for many, but this is Australia, and this is the Castle Hill/Norwest business park district in Sydney. It is simply impossible to get cheap high speed internet in any building in this these areas. It's not just hard, it's impossible. If there is infrastructure in place like my current builing that has both Telstra and Optus fibre going to it, then the companies charge like wounded bulls to access it. That's a just a practical reality of living and working in this area.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 01:22:50 am
content: Quote from: Dave Turner on April 28, 2014, 11:18:24 pmYes it is.One option that might be possible is to get a Telstra/Foxel connection in the office building and then I'd at least have the same as home. i.e. 100M/2.4M for $110/monthI've seen a few offices with this, but it's not very common.

author: scientist
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 01:49:00 am
content: Quote from: Puffin on April 23, 2014, 10:35:58 amI agree with this. Unless you want to joinLeMons, you're just fooling around and you're not going to get anything done.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 02:38:02 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 29, 2014, 01:21:23 amWhat I meant is to use that equipment to connect to your home or someplace within 13 km line of sight.Their AirMax products might work for cheaper too, for example:http://www.ubnt.com/airmax#powerbridge150Mbps 20+Km rangehttp://www.ubnt.com/airmax#airgrid100Mbps 30+Km rangeNot sure what extra hardware you need but they have plenty of datasheets and documentation on their site.Of course the AirFiber seems like it will do 1.4Gbps up to 13Km range.newegg and others carry them.And yeah, you still have to get a provider at either end. And maybe you can make a video of setting it upEdit: also on the video you can cover spread spectrum technology which these things are based on.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 02:51:43 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on April 29, 2014, 02:38:02 amAs I've said, not possible. There is nothing line of sight with my house, I live in "the hills" down the bottom of a steep road.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 02:59:21 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 29, 2014, 02:51:43 amOops sorry I thought the "yes it is" was as it was possible, my bad

author: TVman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 03:58:28 am
content: My house has 20mbs yes folks 20mbsand I watch Dave's videos in 1080P....VERY slow........And Dave has 40mb per second?!?!?Dave probably has A gigabit download speed!!!!Wow.......

author: scientist
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 04:25:54 am
content: Quote from: TVman on April 29, 2014, 03:58:28 amI'm getting barely 18m at my house with 5m upload. You think your internet is slow?

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 04:45:48 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2014, 10:03:26 amI know slower internet is frustrating. But I don't see how faster internet would let you make more videos, or make it easier to shoot/edit them. I hope you're not twiddling your thumbs while videos are uploaded (of course your not!)As far as a shop goes....I didn't think you were into mechanical stuff....but I'd like to see where you go with it.Or maybe, you just have cabin fever and looking for a change?

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 06:18:24 am
content: Greetings EEVBees:--Watching Videos can be frustrating if the speed is slow or there are outages. I recommend having a program like Internet Download Manager start downloading the video immediately, continue to watch the streaming and when the download finishes switch to watching it. If your connection is reasonably fast the video will finish downloading after at most 5 or 10 minutes. You can then note the elapsed time and then finish watching your own copy, without any interruptions do to the vagaries of your connection. Even if you do not have a fast connection, often you will get interrupted while watching and then pause the feed, but the downloading continues, and maybe is finished before you resume. Also you may just spend a few minutes selecting multiple downloads, so they will be there when you are ready to watch. I always download Dave's videos (1080P), as it is much easier to go back and forth over a technical point than using the stream."Women don't want to hear what you think. Women want to hear what they think - in a deeper voice."William Henry "Bill" Cosby1937 -Best RegardsClear Ether

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 06:28:27 am
content: Quote from: george graves on April 29, 2014, 04:45:48 amIt means I can do more and better live shows.It means I can instantly upload those single takes videos I've been talking about.It means I can edit and upload at work instead of at home.And there is probably other stuff I haven't really thought of because I don't have the capability to do at present.It's all about workflow and how I do things which can be somewhat intangible.Yes I could change my workflows and ways, to improve a lot of this without having faster internet, but have I? No, and it's unlikely that I will.When it comes down to it, I am in the internet video content creation business. Any limitation in internet access speed is ultimately going to cripple me in some way.

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 07:35:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 28, 2014, 03:49:33 amSorry if someone already covered this...Is it possible for you to find out who else in your building might be paying for that 10/10 service, and go and talk to them about piggybacking on their service? Your use would seem to be sporadic bursts of high bandwidth and the rest minimal Intarwebbing.The other option is you can bond multiple connections. I don't remember what you pay for your connection now, but if it's reasonable, you could buy a second, or third one and bond them with a hardware device and get the sum total of that bandwidth. You might also be able to do that with some of your neighbors... if you are friendly with your neighbors and they agree, maybe you could horn in on some of their bandwidth with a bonding router for an occasional case of beer to the IT guy, or something?Or rummage around in the space above your ceiling tiles and see if you can find any high speed data cables you can tap into

author: LIV2
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 08:24:17 am
content: Are any 10/10 or higher SHDSL services available there Dave?I know Internode does them, AAPT should as well. not sure about telstra.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 11:11:20 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 29, 2014, 06:28:27 amTake this with a gain of salt - I'm just giving you my input...I'm scratching my head here....So what you are saying is that you need to buy a Ferrari to get to work, other wise, if it take your Honda to work, your in a bad mood when you get there, and hence ineffective at your job? That makes zero sense.Granted, I HATE slow internet....I just don't get it. Internet speed has almost nothing to do with the quality of your product. Or what you can do. And you're going to need some really big pipes to do HD broadcast for live shows....but you do a live show once every 6 months? Is that really important?And....Oh, trust me, I know all about video production workflow. But I just can't see where uploading is the weak link in the chain. Heck, I do work for clients that we send 128 gig thumb drive back and forth...in the MAIL.I would think that rather then spend 20-30-40-50 thousand bucks to get a faster internet, you should build up a video editing rig. Makes a world of difference in video workflow. And get some decent editing software. You'll be amazed at what a treat it is to edit on a fast computer that is built for video.Your a windows guy...so here is what I would recommend. (http://www.videoguys.com/Guide/E/Videoguys+DIY+10+++Our+wait+for+Thunderbolt+is+over/0x86959ff2ee4098c3eef68b2070f368dd.aspx)ASUS Z87-PRO $199.0032GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (4x8GB) DDR3 1600 $299.00Intel Core i7 4770K Haswell $339.00Noctua NH-U14S fan $75.00 (you'll be able to over clock to 4.5 GHz with out batting an eye)Win 7 Pro 64-bit $139.00??? (if you know an IT guy, you can get a license for about $40 these days)CORSAIR HX850 $149.00 - depends on what video card you get.Samsung SSD boot drive 250gig- $150Two two or 4, 2 TB 7200 WD black label storage drive. Or and external raid.Depending on your software is your video card. If you're on a budget a 750ti is a good choice.TWO monitors. I can't stress this enough. If your video editing, two monitors is a MUST HAVE!!!That's more of less what a common video editing rig is - nothing special. And will still handle 2d and some light 3d cad(for that - go up to a qudrro card). Between a "real" PC (not a laptop) the SSD and 32 gigs, windows 7 comes alive. HD renderers are in realtime (depending on video card/software)Also, I assume you sent publish dates for your videos. Not click upload and let it go online. So again...upload times are kinda a moot point.I'm just saying, I don't think internet speed is your weak link. I am interested in your "instantly upload those single takes videos I've been talking about." - I haven't heard you talk about it - but that sounds great.Me thinks....you're just board - and want a bigger space to play!!!! Ha! And there is nothing wrong with that!Heck - I bought a house just for the extra rooms. I can't fault you on that! But lets just call a spade a spade here - shall we?

author: LIV2
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 12:03:10 pm
content: Bullshit, 10Mbit Upload would be plenty for a H264 Encoded HD stream.And I don't know where you're getting this 20, etc grand figure from in regards to internet. it's about $1000 per month for a 10/10 if I remember correctly.Time is money, and I'm pretty sure Dave has better things to do than wait around for youtube uploads all week.There's undoubtedly more to it than just youtube videos too, 2Mbit upload is a joke.As far as I know, Unlike ADSL there's no technical limitation preventing Telstra from allowing higher upload speeds and it's infuriating that the bastards throttle us when we pay so goddamn much.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2014, 12:34:39 pm
content: Quote from: LIV2 on April 29, 2014, 12:03:10 pmFor him to move to a new place. With faster interwebs.....yo....Reading is fundamental.I really doubt he is sitting watching the upload bar go from 0 to 100 before he posts.Dave, you really shouldn't post up these things - unless that all part of your link-bait plan!!! Ha!!!!dirty bastard!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 06:51:40 am
content: Well, the game has changed a bit:http://www.buildingconnect.com.au/#!pricing/c7xtThis company said my current building is enabled for their service, so I can get 20M/20M for $385 a month (500GB cap)That's double the speed and half the price of the next nearest option available, and 20 times faster than my current upload speed at the lab, and over 8 times the upload speed I have at home.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 06:55:17 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on April 29, 2014, 12:36:20 pmI won't disagree.But you are missing the point here.I amnotlooking to upgrade my space because I'm frustrated or think I need a bigger space etc, I don't, I can happily work where I am for the foreseeable future.The only reason I am considering the upgrade is because an investment opportunity has presented itself, and it might be smart to make use of that to improve my workspace, however little that may be.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 06:57:01 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 30, 2014, 06:51:40 amNow you're talking. The 500GB cap is a bit low, but I doubt you'll be consuming the way I do at the lab..

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 06:58:48 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on April 30, 2014, 06:57:01 amNot unless I'm streaming video 24/7 or something. My current plan at home is 200GB, and I do all my uploads there. Each video is several gigs upload size.Not sure if uploads count on this plan, but presumably so.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 12:23:09 pm
content: I'll be speaking to the Building Connect director tomorrow but it seems that I am in a very lucky position. My current lab is in a building that is only one of a handful in Sydney that has this service already installed. Why this is not advertised to building tenants is beyond me. 14 tenants are using the BigAir service at twice the cost and half the bandwidth.SWMBO really likes this idea and now thinks I should stay where I am and get the fast internet. Although she doesn't understand why I need 20M instead of 10MI should be able to install this in a week or less.The new space we were considering has BigAir, but not this service (but you can get it installed if you can gather together enough tenants), so it's an expensive gamble.So my dream of a workshop might have been fleeting.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 12:45:23 pm
content: QuoteIf there is one thing that is worth paying for in my business, it is high speed internet. Just like your video editing comment below which is also very important ,even equally.Trying to argue that isn't the case seems rather sillyQuoteNo. A few Mbps should do just fine.QuoteThat's partly because I have a shit connection!QuoteAnd that's an option for me how exactly?QuoteI already have almost the same system you outlined.My video editing is perhaps the fastest link in my workflow, I have engineered it to be that way.QuoteMy rendering is alreadyfasterthan real timeQuoteNo, I rarely backlog or schedule video. I won't try and explain why, that's just the way I like to do it.QuoteThe whole idea is no editing, no dicking around, short rants or updates that automatically upload from my camera to Youtube via wireless after I press stop on the camera.QuoteNo, I have already said this has come about because an investment opportunity that I may have been able to leverage for my advantage.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 12:55:26 pm
content: Quote from: george graves on April 29, 2014, 12:34:39 pmA new bigger office (ignoring internet) would cost me the price difference between using instead of renting the bigger place, and renting instead of using my current place. Assuming it's double the size, that would be ballpark, maybe $5K-$8K/year tops.If it was the same size, and I just upgraded for better internet, it would effectively cost me nothing to move.But anyway, now I have the option of cheap high speed internet in my current lab, so upgrading for that is now detrimental.

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 07:36:11 pm
content: DaveIf you are happy with your current lab and are now able to upgrade your current internet connection economically then perhaps you should consider another form of investment.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 08:53:50 pm
content: Open a hacker space and just have your own little corner for shop type work and keep your current lab. Are there enough locals willing to pay a small fee to keep it open?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 09:52:47 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on April 30, 2014, 01:18:12 pmYOu'd think so, but every commercial realeststae agent I've spoken too knows jack about internet connectivity in the buildings thye are selling.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 10:01:47 pm
content: I wonder if "real-estate agents" fall into the same category as "telephone sanitizers"?

author: IanJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 10:12:01 pm
content: Quote from: george graves on April 29, 2014, 11:11:20 amMy opinion:-Dave's business is ALL about the internet.......it makes a lot of sense he holds out for a place with the best of speeds.If Dave is able to upload quickly, very quickly, then he'll think nothing of slipping in some quick video's where once he would have thought "nah!, the pain of waiting for it to upload I could be doing something else / can't be bothered".I'm guessing a good few other things will fall into place if the speed is there. Also, he's the future to consider........the Internet develops fast......who knows what multimedia based social site advertising platforms etc etc that requre speed are just around the corner.Ian.

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 10:22:03 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 30, 2014, 09:52:47 pmI heard somewhere that real-estate agents are just used-car salespeople who couldn't find the car lot...

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 10:42:21 pm
content: Quote from: DrGeoff on April 30, 2014, 10:22:03 pmYeah. You heard that from me... About a hundred posts ago! hahahahaI was so proud of myself when i "Came Up" with that one... I was told by an older gentleman that that joke has been around for 50 years that he could recall...

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 10:53:19 pm
content: Quote from: calexanian on April 30, 2014, 10:42:21 pmAn oldie but a goodie! And with a kind of Dilbert ring to it

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2014, 11:34:48 pm
content: Quote from: DrGeoff on April 30, 2014, 10:53:19 pmIt's funny how evolution works, as long as you keep feeding them they will continue.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 01, 2014, 01:55:52 am
content: Quote from: IanJ on April 30, 2014, 10:12:01 pmA simple thing like a live video feed all the time from the lab for example. Possible at the moment but it would chew all my bandwidth, and it's limited to slow frame rates and poor resolution. e.g I could turn on the video feed when I'm working, or shooting a video for example if people want to watch me record live.Or something like live streaming the radio show, which is physically impossible on my present sub 1Mbps upload connection.Anyway, I spoke to the Building Connect guy, they can hook me up to 8M/8M right now, and 20M/20M within 6 weeks if I commit to a 2 year plan.

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2014, 03:08:13 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 01, 2014, 01:55:52 amNow that sounds quite reasonable.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2014, 05:17:37 am
content: Live stream the Amp hour, and still have the audio available for download like usual. Extra bandwidth will allow future things like a video as well as the audio. as well the ability to have good live video of the lab, and even a 24/7 webcam showing the whole lab.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2014, 05:41:32 am
content: [imghttp://]Good. Back to normal!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 04:39:18 am
content: Just signed up to 8M/8M in the lab for 12 months, connected next week. 20M/20M to follow in a few months hopefully.So yep, I'm staying put! Thanks for all the input though on the potential new lab, it's been worthwhile.Secretly hoping the guy next door will move out so I can buy that place and expand

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 05:47:13 am
content: I really looking forward to some new content.Maybe eevminis- How to find dips on the floor. Remove shoes and the first step you make will guarantee a find.- Trap for new players, the pointy end of the soldering iron is not the handle.- How to encourage your neighbor to move without evidence.- Multimeter dominoes with Sagan

author: ludzinc
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 06:05:09 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 02, 2014, 04:39:18 amTime to start making life hard for him. Subwoofers at sub 20Hz tones running at random hours, signal generators hooked up to antennas to wipe out their radio reception.Or just get EEVBlog fans to hang out in the Foyer all day driving away potential customers!

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 07:18:26 am
content: Quote from: ludzincsounds like a PLAN !!

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 07:39:55 am
content: until he counter attacks and then we are all deprived from the awesome videos.Escalation is really not a good idea

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 07:47:07 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 02, 2014, 04:39:18 amDoes he have a window so you can get some fume extraction...?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 10:37:38 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on May 02, 2014, 07:47:07 amNope, both offices stuck in the middle of the building.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 12:43:35 pm
content: Poor mans fume extraction in an office is blow it up into the false ceiling.

author: aroby
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 12:52:32 pm
content: Quote from: calexanian on May 01, 2014, 05:41:32 amThey upgraded my "normal" for free a few weeks ago. For all the complaining people do about Comcast, I've always found the Internet connection is fine. Now if only I could convince my wife we don't need the cable TV ...Anthony

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 12:53:35 pm
content: How far are you from the outside, you probably can buy a roll of small diameter air duct and simply lift tiles to the outside and lay it in the ceiling void. At the outside you just have a vent with a water seal, and claim it is to get fresh air into the office, as you are unhappy with the recirculated air. That you are using it in reverse is just a matter of turning the fan around.

author: han
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 01:00:13 pm
content: I think's link to this thread sufficient to make Dave neighbor will sale his property.do you have his email?

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 02:38:45 pm
content: Quote from: george graves on April 29, 2014, 11:11:20 am+1 for bandwidth doesn't matter. In the age of DVR's, I don't bother watching content at a predefined data/time.Dave, your original shows, in the small garage next to your car, were just as interesting and engaging if not more. It's all about the content and attitude, not the equipment. This is a common trap that many fall to, focusing on the equipment rather than on the core task (buying fancy bike accessories instead of actually pedaling, collecting test equipment instead of actually building stuff).I think that you main challenge is to keep finding interesting topics and maintain the excitement, not having better cameras, fancier studio or faster internet connection.Edit: showcasing of expensive products like that SMU or Mantis distance you from your audience IMO. Stay simple and authentic.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 03:04:34 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 01, 2014, 01:55:52 amOooh. We are getting a EEVblogpeepshowshow for peeps...Make sure to wear thongs.. Bumps up the viewershipNote : Aussie def of thongs of course , the other one would be 'too much information'

author: aroby
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 03:45:24 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on May 02, 2014, 02:38:45 pmI don't believe anyone does that ...

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 06:17:35 pm
content: Quote from: aroby on May 02, 2014, 12:52:32 pmIf it were not for a few specific shows not available online I would dump my TV service! I have found comcast to be the most reliable service I have ever had.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2014, 06:25:18 pm
content: I got the "free" upgrade from 384k to 1M. Can almost watch video at VGA resolution now. Of course upload speed still is as shyte as before, barely able to cope with packet acknowledgements, and can do voice poorly.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:02:21 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on May 02, 2014, 12:53:35 pmNot an option. Right in the middle of the building, boxed in on all sides, and top and bottom.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:08:20 am
content: You have high speed. I'd say put a camera in you back yard at home and watch live epics from the office (big screen tv if you have one available).

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:10:57 am
content: Quote from: zapta on May 02, 2014, 02:38:45 pmYou are right in one aspect, and wrong in others.Faster internet matters. Anyone who tries to argue that it doesn't really doesn't understand the logistics of this business.A better camera has made the world of difference to my blog and the quality of content. Faster internet may enable live stuff I simply haven't been able to do before.A "fancier" studio, yes, ok, fair enough. But getting and shuffling around the amount of stuff I do requires a lot of space, it's basic logicistics. That's why my floor is full of stuff when I already have over 8m of benching.No amount of internet bandwidth, space, or quality purpose designed gear to help produce quality content efficiently will ever go to waste.QuoteBut Ilikelooking at that stuff.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:21:54 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on May 03, 2014, 12:31:50 amOk, but why would I want to produce content that I don't find interesting, just to satisfy other people?Ultimately I'd rather drop this whole thing entirely if I'm not doing what I want to do.

author: HP-ILnerd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:29:44 am
content: QuoteI cannot possibly agree with this. Learning about tools, whether they be bad good or great is much of the appeal of the blog for me.

author: lemmegraphdat
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:33:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 03, 2014, 04:21:54 amAt the end of the day it's about content. If you are not doing what you want to do the quality of the content will suffer.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:40:31 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 03, 2014, 04:02:21 amhow close are you to a services duct? preferably the one with plumbing init. Those are normally pretty well ventilated and typically are open at the top to circulate air.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:42:34 am
content: Quote from: zapta on May 02, 2014, 02:38:45 pmThat statement simply can't be true.Why? Because my audience isvastlydifferent and varied. There is not even such a thing as "the majority" when it comes to what content people like.And also, the stats do not back it up either. The SMU video got 24K views and 1300 thumbs up, and a ton of comments from people saying they wanted to see me do more with it. That's more than some of my other videos that I'm sure you would think people want to see more.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:44:39 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on May 03, 2014, 04:40:31 amAFAIK, I have not seen one nearby. I'd have to have a better search of the false ceiling space to find out.I'm thinking about installing some acoustic expanda foam stuff in that space to try and isolate sound from the other office aircons.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 04:56:50 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 03, 2014, 04:42:34 amCan't agree more, I love seeing expensive equipment in action. It's like the show Top Gear, fancy cars that we all can enjoy by proxy.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 05:07:39 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 03, 2014, 04:44:39 amNot expanding foam, try getting a few rolls of Isotherm insulating batting and roll it out on top of the tiles in 2 or 3 layers instead. It is a better sound damper and has the advantage of being moveable if you want to get into the void. You just roll it out over the existing panels, avoiding covering the tops of the light fixtures so they can radiate heat into the ceiling to cool the ballasts. Green one is made from recycled PET bottles, pink is GRP which will itch for weeks. If you can, get the one bonded to a metallised backing as a moisture barrier, and lay it with the metallised side down. easy to cut as well with a good pair of kitchen scissors.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 05:08:13 am
content: I'd like to see Dave with a "Brushless Gimbal" doing some field trips.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 05:20:35 am
content: Services duct is the closest toilet block.

author: David_AVD
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 05:41:22 am
content: Sheeting the offending walls with "sound-check" (spelling?) or similar high density gyprock is possibly the only real way to deal with noise bleed from adjacent offices.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 08:04:02 am
content: For those curious to know what faster internet can offer, here is one example of how such a small thing has now likely changed to way I live and work.I used to edit and upload mostly at home, because I had 2.5 times the upload speed I have at the lab. That meant late nights in the study editing and releasing videos.Now that I will have even faster upload again at the lab, this has lead to a re-evaluation of my entire home and work arrangement.My main video editing PC and monitors will now move to the office, along with my huge glass desk and microphone arm.We now get extra space in the house because of this new lack of need to do a lot of my work at home.I will now edit and upload most of my videos at work, changing my workflow around in the process.I could even live stream me editing the video, for those who would want to watch such a thingThis should prompt me to be more efficient at the lab and edit/upload/content production, and give me more family time at home.Small improvements can have big changes...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 08:47:02 am
content: Quote from: David_AVD on May 03, 2014, 05:41:22 amIt's mostly noise from the aircon ducting in the big open roof space than noise through the walls.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 08:47:56 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on May 03, 2014, 05:20:35 amIn that case it's the other end of the building.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 09:00:37 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on May 03, 2014, 05:07:39 amIt's not the expanding foam you are probably thinking of. It's just compressed acoustic foam that you cut out of the packet and it expands up to the roof. So you end up with a sound isolated cubicle from the adjacent offices. Replacement drop tiles would probably do the same thing.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2014, 09:19:09 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 03, 2014, 09:00:37 amAnd that can bring you in some fine trouble with the fire inspector, building manager, or whoever has some say over work performed in the building.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 04, 2014, 12:48:23 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on May 01, 2014, 04:27:58 amErr, nothing changes, your concerns are unfounded.The audio podcast remains as it always has, recorded as it always has, edited as it always has, made available as it always has.The addition would be a live video cam in the top corner of the studio for those who do want to see it recorded live for some reason.You are not being forced to watch it. If fact I don't know why anyone would bother to watch it, but we have had requests for this.It's just an idea, if no one watches it I won't bother switching it on any more.QuoteThat is a separate issue to getting fast internet.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2014, 01:23:06 pm
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on May 03, 2014, 09:19:09 amProvided it is certified for fire and smoke generation in a ceiling application it will be fine, just keep the documentation if they ever check, and first consult them and see what they say. As Dave does not want to do the double wall with added acoustic isolation onto the existing wall method this or newer acoustic absorbing tiling with higher attenuation will be the only other choice.

author: electrolux
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 04, 2014, 02:33:30 pm
content: I opted for the greedy version, just to let you know i'm greedy.

author: electrolux
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 11:03:16 am
content: I don't really like live content, it's not my thing

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 12:54:53 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 03, 2014, 08:47:02 amIt is easy enough to make a baffle to hang from the T-bar ceiling grid that will absorb most of that kind of noise.OTOH, you aren't doing commercial voice-over recordings for movie trailers and radio adverts. You are doing casual, ad-hoc, off-the-cuff audio/video recordings in a real working electronics lab environment. Whatever background noise from the HVAC is part of the environment and never bothered me in the slightest. (And part of my job/experience is doing broadcast-quality audio/video production.)It is far more glaring to my ears to hear "off-mic" dialog. For example when you have a guest presenter (eg. Doug Ford) who (properly) has the mic clipped on him as the main source. But then you dialog with him without a microphone. The "on-mic" sound of Doug vs. the "off-mic" sound is more disturbing and unprofessional than the very modest background noise. At least IMHO. YMMV.Since all modern video camcorders are "stereo", you have two perfectly good audio channels there. With a very simple, properly wired "Y-cable" you could plug two lav mics (either wired or wireless) into your camcorder and then have each of you on a separate audio track during post-production editing. That is a very common practice in the video production biz.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 01:10:53 pm
content: IMHO, Leo Laporte got it right with TWIT.TV Of course, he has a much bigger operation with a significant crew/workforce and produces several shows per day. But they live-stream the preparation before the show, and then the show production itself, and whatever happens after the formal end of the show. Then the formal shows themselves are archived online for people to view on-demand.It is interesting and engaging to watch the presenters and guests as they work out where people will sit, camera angles (fixed cameras), get the microphones right, get their names spelled right on the lower-third video titles, etc.But they use the live connection to GREAT advantage by using IRC (instant-"chat") so that hundreds of live audience members have direct input to the program as it is being recorded. In particular people suggesting questions to ask a guest. Or people filling in details on a question that Leo (or his guest) may not have direct experience with. They accomplish this with a monitor screen adjacent to the camera that "streams" the IRC dialog. IMHO, that is an absolutely BRILLIANT concept and even more so because it is so simple. Dave could easily use this scheme if he chooses to live-stream the production of his blog/programs.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 01:50:17 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 08, 2014, 12:54:53 pmI did have a mic, but it failed. Not having a camera person with monitoring phones I only discovered this at edit time. All I could do was mute my channel and go with Doug's mic.QuoteThat's how I had it setup.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 01:57:31 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 08, 2014, 01:50:17 pmYeah, been there, done that, and have the T-shirt as well.My signature line on another forum I frequent is: "Recording audio without metering and monitoring is exactly like framing and focusing without looking at the viewfinder."Of course, doing literally a "one-man show" is the most challenging to get framing, focusing, audio, lighting, etc. proper WHILE being the on-camera talent is the most challenging of all. And Dave does a great job, IMHO. Thank you VERY much!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 02:07:36 pm
content: BTW, I have not found a source for a proper dual mono input 3.5mm jack to L-R stereo 3.5mm plug cable. I know they are out there, but they elude me. Might have to make my own.

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 02:29:06 pm
content: Dave - Google for 3.5mm jack splitter

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 02:49:55 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 08, 2014, 02:07:36 pmSomething likethis?Quote from: Dave Turner on May 08, 2014, 02:29:06 pmResults from that search tend to be headphone splitters which are stereo-to-stereo, not mono-to-stereo.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 03:51:27 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 08, 2014, 02:07:36 pmhttp://hosatech.com/product/ymm-261/

author: Rigby
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 05:40:41 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 08, 2014, 01:10:53 pmAgreed. +1

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2014, 11:08:48 pm
content: Maybe I should have refined the search line, however I found the same connector as suggested above when I tried.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 09, 2014, 01:06:38 am
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 08, 2014, 03:51:27 pmThat's it. Messy to buy here though.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 09, 2014, 01:07:45 am
content: Quote from: rolycat on May 08, 2014, 02:49:55 pmYes, you have to be very careful. I've ordered one before that was supposed to split L/R, but was just parallel.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 09, 2014, 01:09:31 am
content: Quote from: rolycat on May 08, 2014, 02:49:55 pmYes, but too long, I want super short, like a few inches.

author: DrGeoff
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2014, 01:13:47 am
content: Make your own.A few minutes with some connectors and shielded cable.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 09, 2014, 01:16:55 am
content: Way to go on the Australia tax:http://www.rubbermonkey.com.au/Cables-Connectors/Audio-Cables/Breakout-Cables/Hosa-YMM-261-Insert-Cable

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2014, 01:18:21 am
content: Quote from: DrGeoff on May 09, 2014, 01:13:47 amYes, absolutely. I have been making my own cables since I was a child.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 09, 2014, 01:46:36 am
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 09, 2014, 01:18:21 amThe trick is always remembering to get the bits when you are next at the electronics store...

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2014, 10:07:31 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 09, 2014, 01:09:31 amThisone is only 6 inches long, and $4.40 delivered.

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2014, 08:20:23 pm
content: You could try 3d printing a 2 part housing to contain a stereo plug and 2 mono sockets.Now there's a thought for a bit of automation!