Decent Oscilloscope with VGA/HDMI out? - Page 1
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author: kenw232
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 02:12:31 am
content: Can anyone recommend a decent scope with VGA or HDMI out so I can see whats happening on a large monitor? I don't see many with it. Something like the RIGOL DS1054Z but with VGA out.

author: Obin
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 06:52:27 am
content: I'd Like to know this as well actually

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 07:10:54 am
content: Tek TDS700 series has VGA.

author: Loboscope
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 08:18:04 am
content: The GDS-2000A Series from GW-Instek has a SVGA-module as option.Greetings, Jürgen

author: commongrounder
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 01:42:15 pm
content: The Rigol DS/MSO4000 series scopes have a VGA output built in. Unfortunately, the cost is at a minimum of five times higher than a DS1054Z.

author: nowlan
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 01:54:26 pm
content: Agilent have vga optionshttp://www.keysight.com/en/pd-2024090-pn-DSOXLAN/lan-vga-module-for-the-infiniivision-2000-and-3000-x-series-oscilloscopeHameg also come with DVI-D out. (not the low end 1000 model)

author: w2aew
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 01:59:01 pm
content: The Tek DPO/MSO2000 have a VGA option. The DPO/MSO/MDO3000 and above scopes have VGA out as standard equipment.

author: wreeve
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timestamp: May 27, 2015, 02:24:32 pm
content: Old infiniium's have; use one with a touch enabled 19" monitor and it works really well!

author: Wuerstchenhund
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 05:03:32 pm
content: Quote from: kenw232 on May 27, 2015, 02:12:31 amThere are many scopes with VGA or even DVI out, but nothing really in the price bracket of the DS1054z.New entry level scopes with monitor output include the Keysight DSOX2000 Series (VGA via optional adapter), LeCroy WaveSurfer 30000 (built-in VGA) or Rohde & SchwarzHamegHMO3000 (optional DVI-D), which are the cheapest models from the individual manufacturer with at least an optional monitor out capability. HDMI and DisplayPort can usually only be found on mid-range and high end scopes.You could consider a second hand scope, though. There are various scopes which have VGA out, like the LeCroy LC or WaveRunner LT Series (both very advanced scopes and often not much more expensive than a DS1104z).

author: 0xdeadbeef
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 06:12:21 pm
content: Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on May 27, 2015, 05:03:32 pmAlso the Hameg/Rohde Schwarz "Compact" (722-2024) series features DVI-D per default.

author: LaurentR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 06:42:16 pm
content: Quote from: kenw232 on May 27, 2015, 02:12:31 amHave you considered connecting a DS1054Z to a PC on the monitor and running UltraScope? It works reasonably well (and even allows you to control a lot of stuff straight from the screen).

author: 0xdeadbeef
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 07:02:12 pm
content: Forgot to mention that Owon scopes have VGA output. For the older 2ch SDS series it was optional (but cheap), for the newer 4ch Touchscreen TDS series it seems to be the default.Then again, I had an SDS and it was a very, very basic scope with questionable support (only some firmware updates with minimum changes, then my HW model was excluded from updates).It seems the (GUI) improvement on the TDS series are very small (only basic triggers, no protocol decoding etc., crappy remote SW) I guess the Rigol 1000Z is still in a different league.

author: rx8pilot
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timestamp: May 27, 2015, 10:24:30 pm
content: Quote from: LaurentR on May 27, 2015, 06:42:16 pmI tried UltraScope and it was painfully slow, never did any troubleshooting to find out why.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 27, 2015, 10:49:43 pm
content: Agilent 5/6/7000 have SVGA out

author: LinuxHata
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timestamp: July 31, 2023, 02:44:59 pm
content: Let me bump up this thread.I'm also looking for any normal oscilloscope - 2 channels, 100mhz, nothing fancy, but it should have either VGA or HDMI output, to be connected to projector, for educational purposes.

author: colorado.rob
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 02:58:44 pm
content: This is the #1 feature lacking from Siglent mid-range scopes. Rigol MSO5000 has it. It's not something I've seen on any low-end scopes.

author: colorado.rob
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timestamp: July 31, 2023, 03:00:56 pm
content: Quote from: LinuxHata on July 31, 2023, 02:44:59 pmWould driving the scope using the web interface work for your needs?

author: nctnico
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timestamp: July 31, 2023, 05:15:46 pm
content: Models from Micsig also have HDMI out

author: skander36
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timestamp: July 31, 2023, 05:51:05 pm
content: HDMI - Rigol HDO 1K, 5K, Micsig.

author: LinuxHata
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timestamp: July 31, 2023, 06:52:12 pm
content: No I don't need any online kind of connectivity.One solution which I have used in past, but which requires a lot of yada-yada is to buy specialized LVDS 2 HDMI converter, which connects between the screen and the host, captures the LVDS data and sends it over HDMI.I'll check these offerings, thanks.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 09:04:03 pm
content: Quote from: kenw232 on May 27, 2015, 02:12:31 amIf your goal is a large monitor, you can also use the Siglent stuff with built in web servers. I use my SDS2504XP on 27" to 32" monitors. Even the SDS1104X-E has a great built-in web server.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 09:10:10 pm
content: Quote from: LinuxHata on July 31, 2023, 02:44:59 pmMicsig:They're also touch screen so very easy to use and you can remote control them from a phone (see video).They can also access Youtube directly, display PDFs, record&replay videos directly from the display... do all sorts of things that are useful in a classroom.

author: skander36
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timestamp: July 31, 2023, 09:32:49 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on July 31, 2023, 09:04:03 pmThis request is from 8 years ago.It was bumped now by the user LinuxHata, that express rejection of online solutions.

author: DaneLaw
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timestamp: July 31, 2023, 09:45:40 pm
content: In regards to batteryprojector & scope.You can control the Micsigscope interface on the projectored screen. with just a cheap 5 dollar air mouse from ChinaHere with Micsigs own Android app, fx grapped from Google Playstore on the projectors own android interface.With HDMI cable from scope's HDMI to batteryprojectors HDMI socket...Connected to a 55" LG 2017OLED (HDMI cable)And wireless to your PC or Android tablet with the Micsig Windows/Android/iOS app, the lag aint bad, I got around +/-250ms with a decade old NetgearWNDR4300 in another room and update rate, very decent as you can see here..https://i.imgur.com/L2IxS2b.mp4or it can be used with cheap secondary touchsscreen with the HDMI, though the touch aint supported on HDMI cable, so a mouse is prefered if you wanna manouvere scope settings on the extra screeen and you dont have the scope close by, but its all mouse optimised.Also tried to run the secondary 15.6 screen, by powering it from the Micsig's scopes 5v USB port, but the Micsig 5V USB-A 2.0 port, got a problem in delivering high enough current to max out the brightness on the secondary screen, above 1A if I recall were problematic., so couldnt run the extra screens brightness higher then example below, otherwise the scopes USB_port would choke, I could ofcourse just use a powerbank to power the secondary screen, though more proof of concept if one wanted to run both HDMI vid signal and power from the scope.Dont know if the newer Micsig scopes can supply 5V/1.5A power on their USB socket, or if their TypeC port support touch out, I doubt it... not many Android SoC does support it.- with HDMI' it doesnt align to your secondary screens aspect ratio, it will only port your scopes screens aspect ratio like below.The Micsig does have an internal Android screen casting feature, in its Android legacy OS, but I cant get it to connect to anything.. its an legacy heavily locked down Android ROM the scope is running, also dont allov for sideloading Android apk's.But for the pricerange, it does give quite a few ablelities to cast your screen, either with HDMI, or with Micsigs wireless Windows/Android/iOS app and since the UI is so touch-optimised the update rate is good, its not that big a pain to control it from another device.

author: gslick
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timestamp: August 01, 2023, 11:29:03 pm
content: Quote from: LinuxHata on July 31, 2023, 02:44:59 pmWait for the Rigol DHO800 models to become available?https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-beginhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigols-new-dho800-oscilloscope-unbox-teardown

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2023, 02:48:27 pm
content: Quote from: skander36 on July 31, 2023, 09:32:49 pmI didn't see anything saying no networked solutions. If the classroom has ethernet, and the projector is smart, or connected to anything like a computer (which is common) then a web interface is a really easy solution, and doesn't require the projector being directly tied to the scope. Which is usually a good thing.Quote from: colorado.rob on July 31, 2023, 02:58:44 pmI agree, some people might want that feature, but it doesn't feel missing when the web interface is so simple to use and fast. It's better functionality than just an output screen that still leaves you tied to the scope.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2023, 03:26:48 pm
content: Quote from: colorado.rob on July 31, 2023, 02:58:44 pmNot quite true. SDS6000A has HDMI.

author: LinuxHata
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timestamp: August 07, 2023, 06:23:28 am
content: There is no ethernet in classroom, wifi and cellular networks are being jammed, to prevent misuse of various gadgets by students.All your proposals are good, but very expensive - I was looking for something like DSO2C10, but with VGA or HDMI output. So As I see, that old way of doing LVDS<>HDMI connection seems to be the cheapest way.

author: J-R
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timestamp: August 07, 2023, 07:35:52 am
content: I highly doubt cellular is jammed, as that is very much illegal and can land you in jail.

author: pdenisowski
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 02:21:53 pm
content: Quote from: LinuxHata on August 07, 2023, 06:23:28 amQuote from: J-R on August 07, 2023, 07:35:52 amI spent many years (professionally) tracking down radio frequency jammers in the field across the United States. If you're jamming in licensed cellular spectrum, the odds are very good that the cellular network operator will detect high uplink RSSI levels and will (eventually) send someone out to investigate.If they find you*, they will probably first try to talk to you and/or send you a polite, but firmly-worded letter letting you know that you're interfering with them. Either of these are (in my experience) usually sufficient to get the "offender" to stop using their jammer, and thus the FCC rarely gets involved in these cases.On the other hand, if you are jamming GPS, certain aeronautical navigational aids, automobile remotes, or emergency frequencies (police, fire, marine channel 16, etc.), then it is much more likely that someone working for Uncle Sam will come looking for you. I could (but probably shouldn't) tell you some very interesting stories.And if you're jamming unlicensed spectrum (like WiFi, ISM, etc.) it's extremelyunlikely that anything is going to happen to you.Again, just my experience spending many years doing this on almost a weekly basis.*Edit: in order to be effective, a jammer must produce a signal that is wide, loud, and always on. This also makes them VERY easy to locate.

author: colorado.rob
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timestamp: August 07, 2023, 08:45:01 pm
content: Quote from: Performa01 on August 02, 2023, 03:26:48 pmI don't consider the SDS6000A one of Siglent's mid-range scopes. It is, in fact, one of Siglent's top-of-the-line scopes.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 09:16:43 pm
content: Quote from: colorado.rob on August 07, 2023, 08:45:01 pmSDS7000A is in advanced development.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds7000a-dsos-coming/

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 07, 2023, 10:43:49 pm
content: Quote from: colorado.rob on July 31, 2023, 02:58:44 pmIn the "scope world", mid-range is not the priceclass you may have in mind...But that doesn't change the fact that siglent doesn't offer something as simple as video output until the SDS5000X series, and then only in the antique VGA format.Even my (developmentally) 4 years younger HD model doesn't even have VGA (and costs the same as the entry model from the 5000 series).There are people who value a video output on still affordable scopes, they will have to look elsewhere.They won't find anything at siglent, but maybe siglent will realize that at some point and counteract accordingly.Personally, this does not bother me, if I wanted to present something, I would use the web interface.

author: skander36
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timestamp: August 07, 2023, 10:56:04 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 02, 2023, 02:48:27 pmQuote from: LinuxHata on July 31, 2023, 06:52:12 pm

author: Someone
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timestamp: August 07, 2023, 11:26:58 pm
content: Quote from: J-R on August 07, 2023, 07:35:52 amWhere cellular communication sometimesisjammed.OP is asking for a unicorn, lowest price, exact feature match, no compromises, wasting others times.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 07:46:40 am
content: Quote from: colorado.rob on August 07, 2023, 08:45:01 pmIt might be Siglents top of the line scope, but that doesn't alter the fact that it still is a midrange scope, albeit an upper midrange one."Midrange" is an absolute term, indepedent of the manufacturer. Or would you, for instance, call a 200 MHz entry level scope from, say, GWI a "midrange" scope, just because their top offer is a short memory 300 MHz instrument, which you then consider to be "high end"?

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 08:11:27 am
content: Quote from: Performa01 on August 08, 2023, 07:46:40 amIf it is absolute then you should be able to define yes?As an example:Quote from: Lecroyhttps://www.teledynelecroy.com/pressreleases/document.aspx?news_id=1575WaveRunner 6 Zi Oscilloscopes - 400 MHz–4 GHz (in 2011 they were calling that mid-range)Quote from: MSO5000B, DPO5000B Series Datasheethttps://www.tek.com/en/datasheet/mixed-signal-oscilloscopesTek cover quite the span for mid-range.

author: Messtechniker
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timestamp: August 08, 2023, 08:45:10 am
content: My good old HMO1022 (now discontinued) has a jolly good DVI output.Good to have when you have visitors in the lab.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 11:55:21 am
content: Quote from: Someone on August 08, 2023, 08:11:27 amOf course, like with cars, classes are not always sharply defined.Yet there is a consensus about the main requirements for the various scope classes, mainly bandwidth, probe interface, math & measurements, available applications and software platform.In this case it's quite simple and a single criterion is sufficient to know where to put the SDS6000. Above mid-range there is high-end. And today's high-end scopes are DSOs running on a PC platform. I'm not aware of a single high-end scope running an embedded platform. On the other hand, there are some upper midrange scopes running on a PC platform.Now that it is clear that the SDS6000 isn't a high-end scope, how can we know it isn't just an entry level scope? Well, the answer shouldn't be hard either. 2 GHz bandwidth, active probe interface, Eye diagram and jitter measurement applications - all these are dead giveaways that this is not entry level anymore.Quote from: Someone on August 08, 2023, 08:11:27 amThey would call this "mid-range" even today. I don't see why these things should have changed during the past 12 years.

author: Performa01
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timestamp: August 08, 2023, 12:10:54 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 07, 2023, 10:43:49 pmSDS6000 hasHDMI, not VGA - and thankfully so for its screen resolution is 1280 x 800.

author: Someone
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timestamp: August 08, 2023, 12:20:34 pm
content: Quote from: Performa01 on August 08, 2023, 11:55:21 amHow can it be absolute if the definition is not sharp? That is plainly contradictory. Mid-range is relative (changes depending on competition/market/pricing) and not absolute.I'm not disagreeing with any conclusion you come to about the SDS6000 because there are no agreed definitions. To say high end requires PC platform, but at the same time that is required but not sufficient such that mid range may or may not have that or any specific bandwidth/features/etc just proves the point. There is no agreement or widespread understanding/definition of low-end mid-range or high-end.Quote from: Performa01 on August 08, 2023, 11:55:21 am40GS/s and runs Windows, yet mid-range? other people would disagree, particularly 12 years ago as that sort of front end performance used to be limited to very few instruments/manufacturers. People can add these labels and categories all they like, but it's still mostly meaningless.

author: Fungus
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timestamp: August 08, 2023, 12:33:48 pm
content: "Mid range" varies by brand.Most brands have a lineup with 1000-series, a 2000-series, a 3000 series ... , an 8000 series, etc.A 4000-series Rigol is a "mid range Rigol" but it won't be as powerful or in the same price bracket as a "mid-range Lecroy".Similarly, an "entry-level" 4-channel R&S is going to be much better (and more expensive) than an "entry level" Rigol DS1054Z.

author: Performa01
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timestamp: August 08, 2023, 02:44:59 pm
content: Quote from: Someone on August 08, 2023, 12:20:34 pmOh yes - I've just learnt that.Quote from: Someone on August 08, 2023, 12:20:34 pmYou can disagree with LeCroy as much as you like. Possibly even 12 years ago, 4 GHz max. bandwidth was just not enough for the "high end" label, even though all other requirements for "high end" (for which there is no widespread understanding) would be met.Btw, the fact that very few instruments/manufacturers are able to deliver top notch performance hasn't changed either. This is the whole reason why up to now, only these few companies are able to offer high-end gear (where there is no widespread understanding).Now that even our top expert has chimed in and educates us that the Rigol 4000 simple scope is midrange, I give up and will stop derailing this thread.All I wanted was to make it clear that Siglent does have a midrange scope (where there is no widespread understanding) with HDMI.

author: KungFuJosh
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timestamp: August 08, 2023, 05:09:37 pm
content: The recent activity in this thread gave me a great idea for a band name: "The Pedantic Semantics."

author: Whitefoot
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timestamp: August 08, 2023, 05:16:34 pm
content: The Owon SDS7102V is 100MHz two channel with VGA output. About $400 new. The VGA is optional, indicated by the V in the model nr.VGA output is 800 X 600 pixel, same as the scope screen. This is good enough for a VGA monitor, but I don't know how it would look projected.

author: Martin72
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timestamp: August 08, 2023, 09:23:47 pm
content: QuoteWe´ve spend over 25k € for two lecroy scopes, a waverunner 9054 and a HDO6034A.With a fat discount of 42% and yet that is upper middle class in their hierarchy.Above there are the "Wave Pro" (up to 8Ghz and 5Gpoints memory) and of course the "Lab Master" (up to 65Ghz and 80 channels).Or another example:HDO4000A series...Under HDO6000A(B) and Waverunner, here a price:https://www.digikey.de/en/products/detail/teledyne-lecroy/HDO4054A-MS/7200922That´s their middleclass..

author: LinuxHata
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timestamp: August 19, 2023, 12:16:55 pm
content: I'm not into technical details how it is done, but there no bluetooth, no wifi and no cellular data transmission working. And students are required to leave their gadgets in a special locker, before entering the class.P.S. That classroom is not in US.

author: KungFuJosh
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timestamp: August 19, 2023, 02:12:46 pm
content: I wonder if a crossover ethernet cable would work directly from the PC to the scope?

author: Fungus
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timestamp: August 19, 2023, 03:45:05 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 19, 2023, 02:12:46 pmI'm sure Aliexpress has a dozen pocket routers to choose from if not.

author: pdenisowski
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timestamp: August 19, 2023, 03:51:35 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 19, 2023, 02:12:46 pmIf you need acrossovercable to connect a PC to your scope, you need either a new PC or a new scopeAlmost all modern Ethernet interfaces support auto MDI-X, which allows most pairs of devices to communicate without needing a crossover cable.I worked on Ethernet when Token Ring and FDDI were "competitors" to it, and I certainly don't miss having to color-code my cables so I could visually determine which ones were crossover cables (red seems to have been the convention). One of my first troubleshooting steps when nodes wouldn't link up was to hold both plugs next to each other and check the order of the colors attached to the pins.(sigh) Good times

author: KungFuJosh
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timestamp: August 19, 2023, 05:35:03 pm
content: Quote from: pdenisowski on August 19, 2023, 03:51:35 pmI know I'm dating myself with the crossover comment, but also, it's been noted that ethernet configurations on some of these scopes have been not always so modern. 😉

author: tv84
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timestamp: August 19, 2023, 06:28:37 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 19, 2023, 05:35:03 pmSure, but usually what happens in these one-to-one connections is people continuing to have one of the endpoints with DHCP and expect it all to work...

author: switchabl
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timestamp: August 19, 2023, 06:32:32 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 19, 2023, 05:35:03 pmI think the point is that it is enough to have one interface with Auto MDI-X. So unless you are into retro-computing, the scope side doesn't matter. And technically, I guess the answer is yes, since a crossover cable would still work (but isn't necessary).

author: KungFuJosh
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timestamp: August 20, 2023, 04:06:50 am
content: Yeah, both good points. But you never know how old the computer in their lab is. 😉

author: LinuxHata
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timestamp: August 21, 2023, 08:57:55 pm
content: As I find out, there's a small "upgrade" board for Hantek DSO2xx scopes, which adds HDMI output functionality. It costs about $40 in china. Already ordered, delivery in about 1 month, will keep you informed how it goes.