Anyone wants to donate an oscilloscope in Turkey ? - Page 1
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author: ahmetcanack
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 04:10:37 pm
content: I am a 16 years old boy from turkey and i am looking forward to become better in electronics. My purpose and dream is to be an electronical engineer thus become one of the productive members of the society. I have only one problem tho, i cant afford an oscilloscope... until today i got my multimeter my bench supply and my soldering iron with the moneys that i saved. When it comes to buying an oscilloscope my money become nothing compared to the costs of scopes... Thats why im looking for help. If you are capable of helping me, i will be grateful and pleased.Please contact me if you are interested in helping me : ahmetkuguoglu@gmail.comI hope you all have a good day

author: Isad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2015, 04:29:01 pm
content: Quote from: ahmetcanack on December 02, 2015, 04:10:37 pmWell are u looking at digital oscilloscope or analoge ones.Ofcourse digital oscilloscope are quite expensive butfor the analog one u can get some pretty nice deal on ebay not the .com sitebut the german .de site has quite a lot of oscilloscope like 1 i bought for 40 euros shippeed.It was a bit hamerd but pretty nice.You could get somthing i nthe 60-70 euro price rangeif u look enough and are willing to wait.

author: ahmetcanack
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 04:47:48 pm
content: Quote from: Isad on December 02, 2015, 04:29:01 pmIt does not matter i guessbecause it is a donation it doesnt have to be the most expensive one. An analog cheap scope will do the job pretty goodI did look at the ebay for scopes tho i cant find anything that costs less than 200 bucks freeshipping to Turkey. shiping is a big issue for me :/ As in the youtube videos of Mr. Jones i tried to search for the cheapest ones in the ebay. Without shipping to Turkey costs are surely okay for me because they are really cheap. But when it comes to shipping there arent much seller that ships scopes internationallyIf i try to buy those cheap scopes without shipping to Turkey shipping would cost much more than a cost of a cheap scope

author: Isad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 07:00:24 pm
content: Quote from: ahmetcanack on December 03, 2015, 04:47:48 pmJust try ebay.de lots of scopes there for grab a lot of hameg they dpnt generelly ship anywere else then Germany,but if u ask them nicly they will do it and it will be cheaper then 200$ usally they tend to have lots of hameg stuffso look out for that but there is other stuff like philips and maybe some tektronix stuff.

author: _Wim_
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2015, 07:52:39 pm
content: If you have a pc available, you could opt for a low cost digital USB scope (even brand new they are quite cheap). This will save alot in shipping costs (they are very light and small), and gives you all "modern"functionality. Some examples (I haven't used these before, so I do not know if they are any good):http://www.ebay.de/itm/DE-Lager-SainSmart-DDS120-PC-Based-USB-Digital-Storage-Oszilloskop-20MHz-50MS-S-/221334395545?hash=item33888eda99:g:sgsAAOSwPe1T2aoEhttp://www.ebay.de/itm/Hantek-6022BE-USB-Digital-Oszilloskop-2-Kanal-20MHz-Storage-Oscilloscope-2CH-DHL-/231715370338?hash=item35f34ff562:g:Z5UAAOSwqu9U2d67http://www.ebay.de/itm/Hantek-6022BL-PC-Based-USB-Digital-Oscilloscope-16-Channels-Logic-Analyzer-/221763758427?hash=item33a226695b:g:E6gAAMXQleBTl8F~Edit:Please also search on this forum for reviews of some of these product, just noticed the Sainsmart above has some "issues"...

author: FireFlower
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 07:45:49 am
content: According to Dave USB oscilloscopes are a big "No no".I am sure you can find free analog oscilloscope if there any universities around. They throw working stuff to WEEE constantly and around X-mas and summer they often dump the old stuff away, so it might be worth of asking around there.Well heck even here in Finland you can buy analog 20MHz oscilloscope for 10€ + 10-15€ shipping costs. So what you need to do is to find Turkish "Nerd heaven" board, poke around there a bit to ask for good Turkish flea market sites where you can find those treasures or politely asking for donation.Good luck!

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 07:49:20 am
content: Quote from: FireFlower on December 04, 2015, 07:45:49 amHe did like the Diligent Analog Discovery one. Of course not to the point to replace a real scope but he seemed to be very impressed by it.

author: FireFlower
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 08:48:50 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on December 04, 2015, 07:49:20 amSo just $279, you get Rigol for that price!Yeah I also know National Instruments Mydaq also has a lot things but it also is +$200. So to tell you also what Dave is saying to be big "No no" and others are suggesting to buy are those ebay a few dozen dollar USB oscilloscopes with single channel. They are useless.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 09:22:17 am
content: Quote from: FireFlower on December 04, 2015, 08:48:50 amI'm just saying that he did like that piece of equipment that has more features than (what I think you mean) a ds1000z Rigol.Not better features (on the scope part of things) just more of them and perfectly fine for someone starting that has a computer.2-Channel Oscilloscope2-Channel Waveform Generator16-Channel Logic Analyzer16-Channel Digital Pattern Generator±5VDC Power SuppliesSpectrum AnalyzerNetwork AnalyzerVoltmeterDigital I/ONow supported by MATLAB / MATLAB student editionhttp://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?Prod=ANALOG-DISCOVERYAnyways, I was just stating that he doesn't despise all USB scopes and of course this is no substitute for a real scope, but it's an option.Edit: btw the full price is $259 and $159 academic, apparently the $99 student option is now gone on that site.

author: _Wim_
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 06:38:46 pm
content: Quote from: FireFlower on December 04, 2015, 07:45:49 amA big no seems a bit over the top. Before I purchased the Rigol 1054z, I had a Picoscope PC scope (not usb, but still parallell port). I agree it more handy to have an actual scope, but if I was on a very tight budget and my goal was to learn electronics, I would still buy an USB scope because they have as much features as the Rigol, and cost practically nothing these days.If you use a scope to do a "quick" check, then it is indeed annoying you have to booth the pc and start the software. But for studing and understanding of electronics (iow playing with the scope for hours in a row), the booth time of the pc does not matter so much.And an usb scope has also some benefits:- an actual keyboard to give names to measurements- easier to export and screenshots- big screen so you can see it from furter away- recording mode with almost unlimited memory (@lower sampling rate)- takes less bench space (if you have already a pc on your bench that is...)

author: ahmetcanack
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 08:43:07 pm
content: Quote from: Isad on December 03, 2015, 07:00:24 pm200 dollars would give me a scope in Turkey that would be a bad idea if i pick one from another country :/ As i said i did look for scopes on the ebay but i couldnt find any that is cheap enough to buy :/ That is also the reason for this topic :/have a good dayQuote from: _Wim_ on December 03, 2015, 07:52:39 pmThank you for the linksActually i am a bit of oldschool i guessi dont think those usb scopes are any better than those chineese 10 dollar DIY tiny screen scope kitsAs a beginner i do not believe that usb scopes would be useful for experimenting and learning electronics. Or lets say it wouldnt be practical :/Thank you for your efforthave a good dayQuote from: FireFlower on December 04, 2015, 07:45:49 amWell thank you for your answertrust me i tried to find some donations in Turkey. There are just no scopes to be donatedEven the universities dont throw stuff :/ they just keep them till the end of the world i am not exactly sure that what will they do with themAnd to be honest electronics in Turkey are not as usual as they are in the Usa Germany or other countries :/For asking market sites I think i might give it a tryThank you for your answerhave a good dayQuote from: _Wim_ on December 04, 2015, 06:38:46 pmI agree on a point that usb scopes are cheap. But i also would like to ask if they are more practial and yet effective than a cheap decent analog scopes ?If i was living in some other countries that sellers ships those 50$ old analog scopes i would definetly buy it. there are even scopes for 20$ :/Thank you for your commenthave a good day

author: Isad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 09:36:49 pm
content: Well ur not goan finde somthing asap ebay doesnt work that way.Your gona need to start bidding on stuff and trying to score somthing.Here is 1 of the fluke scopes i auction shipped to worldwide and prob shipping would costabout 50 euros.You can get stuff as cheap as 20 euros if u can wait enough.http://www.ebay.de/itm/Fluke-Philips-Typ-PM3065-100MHz-2Kanal-Oszilloskop-Funktion-OK-stark-gebrauch/351591911152?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140117130753%26meid%3D56b04a4f651b4344a20b75bb22a229b4%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D351585732364

author: cidcorp
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 09:49:05 pm
content: Quote from: miguelvp on December 04, 2015, 07:49:20 amAlso you can now get the second iteration of that device - Analog Discovery 2 :http://store.digilentinc.com/analog-discovery-2-100-msps-scope-logic-analyzer-and-variable-power-supply/on Digilent's new store site. I believe several on the forum own the old version of the device so if you want a real honest opinion, ask around. Oh the AD2 is $279 as opposed to the AD being $259, andif you are a student you can get the AD2 for $179 and AD for $159. Honestly a good deal for the 10 instruments you get in the device. Honestly wish I had something like thatwhen I started out, whole bench in your pocket lol.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 10:54:52 pm
content: Quote from: FireFlower on December 04, 2015, 07:45:49 amThey are infinitely better than no scope!

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2015, 11:36:31 pm
content: Quote from: cidcorp on December 04, 2015, 09:49:05 pmCool, although the 1st gen is also a 100Msps but the new one can do variable voltage like the electronics explorer board dic.And new software too WaveForms 2015 and seems it will run with the original discovery and electronics explorer boardhttps://reference.digilentinc.com/waveforms3:refmanual

author: FireFlower
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2015, 01:08:22 am
content: Lets post this here also:http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/fi/nid/210929Problem is software ain't free, so you have to buy license. 200€ for mydaq and who knows how much for license. Specs ain't bad for USB system but still it is pain to use PC software because you have never enough monitor space.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2015, 04:38:29 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 04, 2015, 10:54:52 pm

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2015, 04:45:24 am
content: Try to find some Amateur Radio Operators in your City.They are usually very nice people (OK,there are a few grumpy ones!).Don't let the word "Amateur" lead you astray,many are EEs ,Techs,etc,who work in Electronics,& may have an old Oscilloscope hanging round at home,that they can give to you on "long term loan",or may be able to talk their Boss into doing the same with an old one from the Equipment Store.There are also "Hamfests",where Amateurs buy & sell Radio equipment & other Electronics.There may not be any 'scopes at a given one of these occasions,but there often are.You are more likely to get a cheap one there than on eBay.The Amateurs,will try to recruit you into their hobby,& you might just decide that it would be an enjoyable way to further your interest in Electronics.

author: ahmetcanack
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2015, 07:18:04 pm
content: Thank all of you for your ideasI could not reply you because of my school i couldnt even check if i have new repliesI have been busy with nerding out it is a good thing to be a nerdBy the way i can surely say that this helps me a lotalthough there is one thing that i dont know :/ would companies or EEs be likely to donate their old scopes ? The fact is; of course i will tell this kindly to them but im not sure about what will they do ?Note: I just learned that eevblog acount belongs to Mr. Jones( i am not sure how to address himbecause he is older than me and there are not many words that i can say to an older person in english. Turkish language has lots of them tho).And even he wrote a commentas a background info i did actually sent him a mail about this and he said i should share this on eevblog forumThanks to him againthat helped a lot

author: Cloud
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2015, 09:46:47 pm
content: What about PoScope?https://www.poscope.com/PoScopeMega1

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2015, 01:29:40 pm
content: I wonder if someone can do the same for me (I am in Jordan). I can pay the price if he wants it. I am looking for a 50$ or something analog scope with cheap shipping rates (don't care about time).

author: ahmetcanack
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2015, 05:38:00 pm
content: Quote from: VEGETA on December 11, 2015, 01:29:40 pmHope you find what you are looking forI suggest you to make a little search on ebay thomaybe there are sellers that ships scopes with or without the shipping price, less then 50$Quote from: Cloud on December 10, 2015, 09:46:47 pmI consider usb scopes after Mr. Jones said they are better than no scopealthough why buy a usb scope when there are scopes less than its price. I am looking for cheap scopes that i can findif I cant find any, usb scopes will be the best choice

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2015, 08:10:23 pm
content: I searched ebay but found no one with reasonable shipping rates at all. some scopes are reasonably priced (like 30-60$) but shipping around 100$ or more.

author: Isad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2015, 10:06:35 pm
content: Quote from: VEGETA on December 12, 2015, 08:10:23 pmTry and search for Israel seller they somtimes price stuff reasonable.Shpping might not cost much.You might be lucky.

author: daybyter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2015, 03:37:30 am
content: I wonder if you know someone with relatives in Germany. This might give you the option to get a scope in Germany and let them bring it to Turkey when they spend their holidays there.A USB scope with storage might be better for some stuff like microcontroller projects. For radio projects an old analog scope might be better.

author: ahmetcanack
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2015, 10:21:15 am
content: Quote from: daybyter on December 13, 2015, 03:37:30 amhahaha I wish i had :/

author: Ysjoelfir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2015, 11:53:03 am
content: Ahmed, I'll ask at my university if there is someone with relatives in turkey as we have many turkish people there. Since I could get some analog scopes from the university around february maybe I can manage to get one of them to you. Shipping wouldn't be a solution as it costs about 50 euro. So... if we could somehow manage to get something with around 15 to 20 kilo to turkey,...But as it is not guaranteed that I will get the stuff (we all know those educated university professors that don't know what they told you half a year ago) I don't wan't to promise anything. Just tell you that this could be a possibility.

author: ahmetcanack
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2015, 12:06:30 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 13, 2015, 11:53:03 amThank you very muchi will be waiting for your messageThanks a lot

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2015, 03:29:49 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 13, 2015, 11:53:03 amIf you could get another analog working scope, I am interested. I am in Jordan, it you will get the scopes from the university for free or cheap price... I guess shipping will not be that problem.Tell me how much will the whole thing cost me please. If you agree first and get Ahmad what he needs first that is xD.

author: Ysjoelfir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2015, 07:17:57 am
content: Hi Vegeta!I guess the shipping won't be over 9000!!!! ()I looked at DHLs page and saw, that shipping to Jordan would cost 47 to 68€. Sure I will contact you as well if that shipping is ok for you, and if I can get the scopes.Those will be analog hameg scopes, by the way, as far as I remember dated something around the late 90s.

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2015, 01:30:20 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 14, 2015, 07:17:57 amOk, how about scopes' cost? will you give them for free? 50 euros for shipping is fine if the scopes are not pricey themselves. Hoping I have the required money in time and it won't be over 9000. All I care about the scope is for it to be 2 channels and working properly... like having a good display... you know, "working" condition.Looking forward to your response.

author: Ysjoelfir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2015, 02:23:45 pm
content: If the university stands to their promise I will get them for free - and since they don'tcost me anything I don't want anything for it, just my personal expenses (i.e. shipping costs)

author: ahmetcanack
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2015, 03:37:23 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 14, 2015, 02:23:45 pmIn Turkey I dont believe that i can ask if a school can give me their scopes laying around :/ So ai am very pleasedthank you so much for helping me and vegeta

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2015, 08:16:16 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on December 14, 2015, 02:23:45 pmthat is great! will be the biggest help I will ever get! You saved me the nightmare at ebay. Looking forward to your PM xD.

author: Ysjoelfir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2016, 03:36:45 pm
content: Hi everyone,the "big day" is coming, i arranged the meeting with the teacher for next tuesday. I really hope he stands to his promise and that I can donate the scopes to you, as someone did to me when I started with electronics 15 years ago. I keep you updated

author: Ysjoelfir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 16, 2016, 03:55:59 pm
content: hi everyone,I guess as you already noticed I didn't reply again - this was, because my teacher was ill that day, so we rearranged the meeting for today. I got a hole bunch of stuff, but sadly no scopes. BUT I promised you two scopes and I will give you two one from my personal collection - I have one Hameg 400 series and one 500 seres left over which I will donate. please contact me If you still want those to discuss shipping detailsBy the way, the other stuff I got I will see through and categorize that - Things I don't need for my collection will be given away later, but be aware, that is very old stuff, like analog voltmeters and stuff like that.