Truth about H-1B's - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2025, 04:29:30 am
content: The truth about Big Tech is that they play by well-known rules. If those rules change, as the author suggests, it doesn’t mean Big Tech would start hiring more local fresh graduates. Instead, they would likely outsource even more to places like India and eliminate additional entry-level jobs as AI becomes smarter.Edit: … and the author, assuming he is not AI-generated and is a US resident, would be left with immigrants who arrive without strong education or work experience, often on visas such as the diversity visa.Another truth about the US tech job market: it is very tough right now - worse than the broader economy, which itself is performing terribly, where things have gotten so bad that the chief statistician was fired for not being able to put enough makeup on the pig.

author: Analog Kid
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 04:36:03 am
content: So what's your take onjobs.now?Good thing--counterbalance to the iniquities of the H1B system as described in the video--or as the narrator says, "crony capitalism" at work?

author: vad
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 04:51:06 am
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on August 25, 2025, 04:36:03 amSeems like a pretty good aggregator. Hopefully someone will be able to land a job by finding a listing there. As far as I remember, there were other aggregators like this.The laws for H-1B are similar to the Second Amendment. They can be used for good or for bad.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2025, 09:46:51 am
content: Is the OP's religious .sig acceptable on this forum?If so I'd like him to explain some Bible verses without resorting to claiming black is white and then progressing to obscene and arguably illegal statements. Precedent: I've tried it with street corner preachers, with that effectNo, I'm not going to mention the verses, since I want religion kept out of this forum.

author: krish2487
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 11:54:55 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 25, 2025, 09:46:51 amJust my 2 cents... as long as the verses remain exactly in the signature and do not form a part of any of the OPs responses.. I say its fine...PS: My signature is equally likely to offend many many folks..

author: joeqsmith
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 11:58:36 am
content: I just assumed from their handle, signature and title of the video that they were a typical conspiracy nut job.

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 12:08:21 pm
content: Quote from: krish2487 on August 25, 2025, 11:54:55 amAnd yet a highly valued contributor, TiN, had terminal problems with a more innocuous .sighttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/question-to-gnif-and-dave/11) We allow a custom "Personal Text" to appear below your profile, please do not abuse this. It is not for advertising your pet political, social,religiousor similar causes with hashtags or phrases. A good example might be for use by a company employee to say who they work for. Moderators reserve the right to edit or remove this text.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2025, 12:10:34 pm
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on August 25, 2025, 11:58:36 amQuite probably; I haven't bothered to investigate.Yet another example of degraded SNR, which requires time and effort to ignore (unlike usenet, where "ignore user and responses to user" was completely effective)The (1857) Gresham's Law: "the bad (money) drives out the good".

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2025, 12:30:33 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 25, 2025, 09:46:51 amAnd I want people who want to impinge on the rights of others to keep that out of the forum. Not that I'm religious myself. What I particularly want is to be free from people spouting nonsense opinions with religious fervour as if their very being depended on no-one challenging it. But that's not going to happen.

author: SteveThackery
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 12:37:47 pm
content: Forum users should expect to be challenged on what they write, including what they write in their sig.

author: krish2487
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 12:53:56 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 25, 2025, 12:08:21 pmFair enough. In my case, it was meant to be tongue in cheek but you never know when it offends anyone here.Having said that, I will concede that it has been pointed out exactly once in all the years I have been active on this forum.. most of the time being nice and courteous goes a long way to avoid any conflicts or escalation of any conflicts

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 01:31:31 pm
content: Quote from: krish2487 on August 25, 2025, 12:53:56 pmI have taken no offence at either your post or your .sig.Most of the time being nice and courteousreally doesgo a long way to avoid conflicts and escalation, especially since someone often doesn't realise they are causing offence.But - and it is a very big but - that falls downbadlywhen people cease to be fundamentally decent. The bad actors are multiplying, and the world is becoming more tolerant of zealots, "nut jobs", "alternative facts", conspiracy theories, "war on X" positions, "don't trust the experts" nonsense, and the like. Unsurprisingly that is (slowly) spreading to this forum.Too many of the fundamentally decent people making valuable contributions are deciding stop participating in this forum; that is a loss to the forum and to us. I've already mentioned TiN, but I also miss T3sl4co1l's informative contributions. It looks like they are victims of Gresham's Law

author: Grandchuck
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 01:52:02 pm
content: If God made us in his image then some are bad copies.

author: BlackHecilopter
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 03:50:11 pm
content: I thought the video was pretty good. I wish he would have covered: diploma mills, student visa's, lack of talent fallacy, effect on housing and economy, how visa numbers don't account for high number of permanent residents.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2025, 04:38:35 pm
content: INTUITION: Intuition here, on these newly arrived posts, and 'new' (yeaàah, right), OP / member, somehow just reeks with insincere nutter-y. I think I stopped, started staring at the sky with mouth agape, and "Whaaa is this (new) guy, looking like Forrest Gump, here ?'...military wanted the plane's cargo....so they killed everyone on board"Ok, that's either delusional, or, as the doctors say, sadistic inflicting on members reading, here.Anyway, maybe he could prove me wrong (the OP), but this just smells weird, somehow. Woke up the intuitive flags, which is hard to put in words, directly. Whew!- - Rick B.

author: BlackHecilopter
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 04:42:16 pm
content: I changed the title of the thread to make it more specific. The original title was from the title of the video.

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 05:41:16 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 25, 2025, 09:46:51 amGood to see the Bible verse in the .sig has been removed by someone.

author: BlackHecilopter
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 05:51:11 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 25, 2025, 05:41:16 pmGlad to see a bible verse bothers you more than a program designed to artificially lower your wages.

author: vad
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 06:38:42 pm
content: Quote from: BlackHecilopter on August 25, 2025, 05:51:11 pmThe video is terrible, no real facts, just moaning. In my opinion, skill-based migration is the best of all immigration policies (much better than DV, refugee, or the new gold visa programs). The H1-B has its flaws compared to skilled migration in places like Australia, but there are reasons for those weaknesses.The whole point of the program is to bring in skilled professionals from around the world, especially in areas where the job market is short on talent. That benefits people here in multiple ways: better and cheaper services, more competitive tech companies leading to stronger growth stocks in retirement and investment portfolios. Just look at VGT, it is up 1,500% since 2004, and that’s partly because tech companies could hire top talent from abroad.Of course, like anything else, even a good program can be misused.And if you are worried about entry-level wages in tech, you should seriously consider changing occupations. With AI, not only are entry-level salaries going to stagnate, but many people will also lose their jobs. A career in roofing or dog grooming might actually be a safer choice for you. For example, the price I pay for dog grooming has gone up fourfold in the past 12 years.

author: Analog Kid
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 07:24:33 pm
content: Quote from: vad on August 25, 2025, 06:38:42 pmNo, there are plenty of facts mentioned in the video.Now whether they're all true or not I can't say; most of what he says sounds plausible.And if he's correct, then the way the program is being (ab)used by employers is certainly just more bad news for those thousands of domestic college graduates seeking jobs, which is one of his main complaints. A valid one in my view.I'm not MAGA, but in general one would think that people who live here--citizens and immigrantswho intend to live hereand not merely hang around long enough to collect enough $$$ to take back home--should take precedence. Especially in an extremely tight and unforgiving employment market.This whole issue reminds me of the "bracero" program in California from the 1940s to the 60s that allowed Mexican laborers to work here on temporary permits, a program created and continued by Republican administrations (for instance, Gov. George Deukmejian, a friend of Big Ag in the Central Valley). This program created ade factoclass of what Aldous Huxley called "Deltas" in hisBrave New World, an underpaid workforce stripped of most of their rights for the benefit of certain industries, doing the work that "no white 'Murican would want to do". Eerily similar to the present tech situation.

author: Marco
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 07:44:17 pm
content: Mexican labourers weren't making 6 figures, nor were they from a caste based culture and and able to take over management positions.

author: u666sa
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 07:59:29 pm
content: Trump said the system is rigged. Obviously democrats and those who adore same sex rights will support immigration. While republicans see right away that migrants steal their jobs. For me it's no contest, it's obvious, immigrants steal jobs.Furthermore, there is such a thing called D.E.I. - diversity, equality, inclusion - that's when we exit tech and go to low tech and encounter people that don't qualify for a job, occupying that particular job. Want to visit a DMV? Here is one for you:Come 6 PM the previous evening, get a chair, sit all night, sometime around 11 AM the next day you might go through.That's what democrats done.I remember DMV back in 1997. You'd come 10 AM, and you leave 11 AM, no appointment required.Back then there was a lot less immigrants. Now, haitians and lations operate that DMV.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2025, 08:25:00 pm
content: Anyone who has regularly used AI in the past 1-2 years will know it is no danger to software engineers;vibe codingis a lost cause, and the problem with programming is not writing the language, which is the reason "no code" solutions like UML have never taken off. Just like you cannot learn French by simply picking up a French dictionary. You need to actually be able to reason* to string a sentence and ideas together.Now, AI models are indeed very useful for software engineers because they help solve problems and can make exploring new ideas easier. I use LLMs regularly for skeleton code, but they really struggle once you get beyond more than basic problems that are in the training data. No experienced programmer should feel threatened. Put it another way, if you could be replaced by an AI chatbot, then you weren't really trying at your job.The biggest issue right now is companies are unwilling to invest in junior engineers, because theyfeelthat they can replace work of juniors with AI. That might be true, when the problems are well defined and the senior engineers can carefully guide the process, it's too early to say for sure how well that will work. But this will create another problem in 5-10 years, when there is a shortage of senior engineers again.Now how does this feed into H-1Bs and in general skilled visas in engineering. I think there are a few factors. Companies like H-1Bs because they make for loyal, generally trouble free employees. If you're (a) in a foreign country with fewer links and (b) dependent upon employment to retain your visa, you are going to be a lot more careful about what you do and you can probably going to work harder than average to get good peer/performance reviews. But I am in agreement with others here that they aren't a bad thing in general and provided they are appropriately sized (IIRC, the H-1B program is 65,000 per year across all sectors - that isn't a huge amount) then they can be a useful resource to tap into without outcompeting the "native" population.*Whilst chatbots can create an illusion of reasoning, it doesn't appear this is actually the case.https://ml-site.cdn-apple.com/papers/the-illusion-of-thinking.pdf

author: Analog Kid
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 08:49:56 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on August 25, 2025, 08:25:00 pmWell, that kind of argues against your thesis here, doesn't it?You're saying that companiesshouldn'treplace programmers with "AI" because it's not up to the task, with which I agree.But what if they don't heed our advice and go all in on "AI" anyhow? Like what Micro$oft is apparently doing. Then what?This makes the anti-H1B argument much more compelling.

author: Monkeh
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 08:53:45 pm
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 25, 2025, 07:59:29 pmYou're an immigrant.QuoteAnd you moved to the US in the last few years.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2025, 09:07:45 pm
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on August 25, 2025, 08:49:56 pmNo. I was careful with what I wrote and there is no contradiction.They might replace junior engineers, who need supervision from senior engineers, with AI models. For instance, a common task for a junior is writing testbenches for software packages. That is fairly boilerplate stuff and ideal for a junior engineer but also an AI.When it comes to structuring larger projects where you need plan out the design of these systems in advance and actually think about, say, data flow, performance, architectural considerations, UX - then the AI models fall flat on their face, since that is solving novel problems and, at least as it stands, they cannot do this. Not repeatedly, not reliably, and worst of all, they aren't "aware" of where the errors are until a human points them out.As far as I am aware (you might have to cite a better source) Microsoft are using AI in the exactly the way I am saying - productivity improvement for overall engineering. Doing the boilerplate stuff, and some basic problem solving. But, do be careful with exactly what Microsoft states, given their business model is heavily pivoting towards AI in everything. It seems outside of the AI hype bubble, the reality is quite different.

author: vad
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timestamp: August 25, 2025, 11:53:57 pm
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on August 25, 2025, 08:49:56 pmAI is not a replacement for software engineers. It is a productivity tool that is improving at lightning speed. Many tasks that were once handled by junior engineers can now be done faster by both juniors and seniors with AI assistance. As a result, demand for entry-level engineers will decline.Once upon a time, airliners needed big flight crews: captain, first officer, flight engineer, sometimes a navigator and a radio operator. Each had his role. With modern avionics and cockpit automation, those jobs disappeared. Now there are just two pilots.Software engineering is moving the same direction. Many tasks that used to fall to junior engineers, like boilerplate coding, debugging, or writing docs, are now handled faster with AI tools. AI won’t replace engineers, but it will change the crew. Fewer people doing repetitive work, more focus on experienced engineers making decisions and guiding complex projects.

author: wilfred
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 12:29:33 am
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 25, 2025, 07:59:29 pmWow, you're really not shy about nailing your colours to the mast.As for immigrants stealing jobs being obvious, well the USA will see whether that's actually true soon enough. Historically it hasn't been all that obvious. Is there a coming shortage of Americans willing to work in agriculture picking fruit and vegetables or construction laborers?I recently heard, I think it was comedian Dave Chappelle say of Americans "We want to buy Nike shoes not make them." I really doubt there are a significant number of American citizens who would want to get up each day and go work in a factory stamping out metal saucepan lids or making brooms or even plucking and boning chickens. It will be done by robots and migrant labor.As for DEI, you can argue that there may be other qualified people not favoured by DEI but that doesn't necessarily mean that a DEI position gets filled by an unqualified candidate. That would be stupid and counterproductive.

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 08:02:42 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 26, 2025, 12:29:33 amI wonder whose job us666a stole when he immigrated to the US from Sochi in Russia.

author: u666sa
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 09:55:58 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 26, 2025, 12:29:33 amH1-B is tech. H-2A is agricultural, which is beyond the scope of this threat.In this threat we are particularly talking about tech.With that in mind:How many colleges are there in the state of Florida? Let's count.Florida International UniversityFlorida UniversityFlorida A&M UniversityIn fact I don't know them all, I had to look it up.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_FloridaThe list is over 50 colleges just in the state of Florida.There are 50 states, plus some puerto ricos etc.You telling me that United States don't have enough people for tech industry?Doesn't it make more sense that companies don't want to pay proper money to people, instead they have a loop hole that they exploit?

author: u666sa
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 09:57:50 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 26, 2025, 12:29:33 amYou should visit your local post office to understand the issue.

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 10:02:04 am
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 26, 2025, 09:55:58 amWhen did you become an immigrant in the USA, arriving from Sochi, Russia?Have you stolen a technical job?

author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2025, 10:04:24 am
content: I'm in for this with everybody else. Because go look for job now. Sysadmin for the city all day long for 40k per year. That's low hanging fruit, but go ahead and try to get one of those positions.If you want to rent it's going to cost you $2500 per month. Plus car, you need a car don't you? Payment will be around $600 per month. Insurance for car, another $100. Plus you have to eat and wear something.Here we have basic expenses $2500 + $600 + $100 + $400 => $43200 per year....Who are they trying to hire for those jobs?Quote from: tggzzz on August 26, 2025, 10:02:04 amHow about you go get lost somewhere in british threat, discussing british situation. Troll.

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 10:21:55 am
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 26, 2025, 10:04:24 amJust askingyouto clarifyyourposition w.r.t.yourstatements on immigration to the country whereyoulive. That's not trolling, and the UK is irrelevant.So it seems it reallyisa touchy question, with an answer that indicates "a divergence" with your position on immigration to the US. Can't say I'm surprised.

author: krish2487
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 10:29:27 am
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 26, 2025, 10:04:24 amSo let me get this straight..1. The H1-B applicants are clearly underpaid ( otherwise if they were equal or more expensive than local talent then companies would hire local talent)2. They complain less and are less likely to create a nuisance for the companies3. according to you, it is clearly impossible to live in a 40K job but clearly a H1B applicant is managing to (afterall if they couldnt do it then "hardworking Muricans" wouldnt lose their jobs would they.. )So the way I see and call it.The H1B applicants are being seriously exploitedorAn american does not know how to live with in their means.Either which damn way, its not the H1B workers fault.. Its your govts and the companies. quit whining !! and yes I ll go so far as to say that your 50 colleges in Florida ( or in the US) alone cannot produce enough people to keep up with the demand of big tech.Lest you forget, a good chunk of the H1B applicants are students who have come in on a student visa and then ended up applying for a work permit.. so they have as much loans and responsibility as the average college going american.As far as handicaps or advantages go.. they are on equal footing, if anything an american company does not have to spend money on visa paperwork for an immigrant.. its much cheaper,faster, easier to hire and fire a local.As far as you are concerned, I have nothing to say. There are plenty of threads where you have demonstrated your willingness to bend over for the orange turd at the expense of your dignity.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2025, 10:43:34 am
content: Quote from: krish2487 on August 26, 2025, 10:29:27 amAgreed, and it is unsurprising.Consider an article from the "Voice of Russian-speaking America"https://www.forumdaily.com/en/malenkaya-moskva-vo-floride-ugrozhaet-li-chto-to-rossijskim-bogacham-v-ssha/which containsQuoteOrhttps://www.businessinsider.com/florida-little-moscow-sunny-isles-miami-russian-money-real-estate-2022-3?op=1#not-all-of-the-money-flowing-into-little-moscow-is-from-russia-nor-is-it-all-dirty-and-not-all-of-the-people-who-live-there-are-wealthy-7which contains observations about the people interested in properties with the T'rump name on them.I guess that for some reason "trickle down economics" isn't working well enough for us666a. Maybe it would be better for him back in Sochi?

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2025, 02:18:41 pm
content: All of this dialog serves to bring in POLITICS, big time. Maybe a side topic, like employment fits, but this here is mainline political...'TURDs' in Washington ? Politics and trash-talk, and maybe sneak in some agenda, on the backs of technical discussion.When it goes in a direction some member doesn't like....then it gets reported to moderator. But 'turd' gets through fine until then.A turd is a turd, regardless of affiliation, not considered appropriate here in this forum, ehh ?

author: joeqsmith
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 02:23:17 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 25, 2025, 12:10:34 pmQuote from: tggzzz on August 25, 2025, 01:31:31 pmI am always amazed when I revisit older threads, the number of members that contributed technically and were banned. I assume they get caught up in what ever the latest religious, political, racial hot spot.I'm not too surprised by those that drop out for these same reasons. You can always say ignore the threads you have no interest in, but if that's 50% of the content. It's the same reason I stopped watching TV several years ago. Worthless ads and brainless content.

author: nfmax
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2025, 02:28:34 pm
content: At least we have AI web crawlers to read this drivel for us now, so we don’t have to. A bit like Douglas Adams’ Electric Monk

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2025, 03:02:02 pm
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 25, 2025, 07:59:29 pmYou posted early on about having recently migrated to the USA from Russia. I asked you why you came here and if it was to avoid the war. You refused to respond. Now you claim you have been here all along? Obviously you come to this site to post your political views but you could have done that from Russia.It gets back to the low SNR which you are helping to drive down.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/tariffs/msg5905832/#msg5905832

author: krish2487
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 03:43:18 pm
content: Quote from: RJSV on August 26, 2025, 02:18:41 pmI admit I could have been a little restrained and I apologize if it comes across in bad taste and / or derails the topic at hand.I really really hate to be that guy who derails a topic. As you suggest, lets get back to the focus of the post - H1B visas.

author: u666sa
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 05:18:20 pm
content: Quote from: vad on August 25, 2025, 04:29:30 amTariffs?I'm thinking if there is talk about H1-B being a problem, that means there is going to be political action sooner or later. They'll be closing or rethinking this program.They won't be outsourcing nothing because of tariffs. Conditions will be such that it's cheaper and beneficial to hire locals.

author: vad
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timestamp: August 26, 2025, 08:00:18 pm
content: Quote from: u666sa on August 26, 2025, 05:18:20 pmTariffs on who? If Boeing can’t hire foreign aerospace engineers in the US because of visa limits, they will simply move design work abroad and hire engineers there. That is exactly what they did before, running engineering centers in Russia, and they still operate in India, Israel and China. So what are you going to tariff? Intellectual property moving from a foreign branch back to a US headquarters?And let’s be real: the H-1B program is capped at just 65,000 visas a year, with another 20,000 reserved for advanced US degree holders. That cap covers all industries: tech, finance, healthcare, aerospace, etc. It is a drop in the bucket compared to a workforce of over 160 million. The program has been running as a lottery system, because of the ridiculously tiny cap.The so-called “flood” of foreign workers on H-1B is nothing more than MAGA fear-mongering, amplified by Russian state-sponsored troll farms pushing division in the West. So which is it, are you on Putin’s payroll, or just parroting the garbage you hear on Fox?

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2025, 08:15:18 pm
content: Quote from: vad on August 26, 2025, 08:00:18 pmWe canspeculateabout possible alternatives. Consider someone who used to work for the Wagner private military company before they marched towards Moscow to confront Putin, and their leader (Prigozhin) dies in a plane "crash". Such a person might feel it expedient to very visibly switch sides and push Putin's agenda.I'm still curious about how usDEVILNUMBERa can attack immigration to the USA when he himself is an immigrant to the USA.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2025, 08:17:47 pm
content: Quote from: nfmax on August 26, 2025, 02:28:34 pmOne LLM has been named after an SF neologism (Grok). I'd like to see an AI company named after another, the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2025, 08:27:04 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on August 26, 2025, 08:15:18 pmA reminder that the UK's former Secretary of the Home Office, Sajid Javid, was himself born to immigrant parents from Pakistan -- he continued the Home Office's policy of the "hostile environment" towards immigrants. It doesn't surprise me that an immigrant would be anti-immigration, because it's a case of "I got what I want, screw the rest of you" which is all too common in human history.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 12:08:48 am
content: Please try (uh 'turds') to remember:No, uh (turds in the Kremlin) poli- (turds in the White House)tics.Fox news ? More turd talk. More stupid disinfoxmation. Or is it mis-dismissinformation.Majority of Americans voted (that means more than the other side) to get the dead-head guy OUT. The hysterical laughing freak OUT of power.Is that 'TURD' enough ? (Or, was that stolen too ?)

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 12:28:44 am
content: Recent announcement on Antiqueradios.com which talks about not wanting to impose a ban to avoid loosing members that may contribute to their site.Quote

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 12:45:27 am
content: Thanks, but what about members who (upon great irritation) resort to mocking imitation, of the 'politics Talk'...(Turds in the WH).Mis-dismissinformation, is about the best word mangled political commentary I've heard. But no political talk.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 01:24:57 am
content: Do you (we) really wish to degrade the Forum, bending the guidelines rules, by engaging in political talk (Turd in the White House, wink wink).That's so disgusting and juvenile. Sounding like CNN, circa 2021.If I posted like some of you, I'd say something along the lines of:"Go to your CNN, then, with the stupid Putin talk, conspiracy theory talk. Meanwhile your Biden, can't talk, reasonably. He was shuttled to the side, by his own party.Orange guy won, majority. Notice that I didn't bother to hide my political rant, here ? At least I can spew obnoxious turds just as good, but don't need to hide behind some pretend tech thread.Way things are going, the last 5 years, I see why some contributors have left. The whole Putin thing is so silly, and also dangerous because Putin isn't a very safe leader, so deserves the valid criticism.Biden (turd) had to be sidelined by his own party.Meanwhile, Orange man won the majority, last vote.Political talk is out of line here.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 02:24:35 am
content: I'd say there's pretty much a turd in the White House.What say others here?

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 03:00:20 am
content: Quantitatively:In 2024, Trump won apluralityof the popular vote, 49.8% to 48.3%, not a landslide.He won the Electoral College fair and square, 312 to 226.For his first term, in 2016, he lost the popular vote 46.1% to 48.2%, but won the Electoral College 304 to 227.Biden won the Electoral College in 2020, with approximately the same votes there, 306 to 232, and a majority of the popular vote, 51.3% to 46.8%.

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 03:55:53 am
content: Quote from: RJSV on August 27, 2025, 12:08:48 amCould you please clarify which of the two dead-head guys on the ballot you are referring to? There was another candidate whose gender obviously doesn’t match your criterion. Or was that not your thought at all, but rather something you picked up on Fox News or MechaHitler‘s X?

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 04:04:30 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on August 27, 2025, 12:28:44 amNice to know. Funny enough, the nearby golf course just put out an announcement about no dog poo. Want me to quote it here?

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 04:17:45 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on August 27, 2025, 12:28:44 amWith all due respect, if you are not interested in political talk, why bother opening a thread with provocative topics like this?Below is a translated Russian joke:One woman says to another:“The day before yesterday I went to the park, and a stranger grabbed my ass.”“Oh my gosh!”“Yesterday I went back to the park, and the same stranger grabbed my ass.”“And you are going back today?”“Of course. Maybe he will grab my ass again!”

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 07:33:37 am
content: Quote from: tom66 on August 26, 2025, 08:27:04 pmOh, just so. There's also Priti Patel. I can't remember Kemi Badenough because she will never amount to anything.The "pull up the drawbridge" phenomenon is well known. I find that phenomenon reprehensible, and indicative of a person that shouldn't be trusted with any form of power.The uDEVILSNUMBERsa might have a good reason or explanation; if so I will listen.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 01:50:28 pm
content: Quote from: vad on August 27, 2025, 04:17:45 amDrunk posting? I doubt I have ever opened a thread that had any political connotations.Quote from: RJSV on August 27, 2025, 12:45:27 amIt's not my decision to make.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2025, 05:40:49 pm
content: I ALMOST was hoping for the (dreaded) BAN to come down on my account, here. A self-imposed ban, I tried for a while; but that was really just a broken touchscreen. I've heard folks mocking, in the whole 'suicide-shooter' vein, reciting:"Give me what I want, or I'll BAN us both !"The usual, first responder, A.K., with his obnoxious reply here. Seems he wants to directly challenge the NO POLITICS guidelines.Why, I've pondered, does A.K. respond with so much negative pouting, and taunts, to EEVBLOG members generally, not just myself.And, quick too...almost like a bot ? A.k. snarky response often comes very quickly, after I press 'SEND'.Is that a form of vandal, or disrupter? Is A.K. wishing to shrink the member count, here ?I could try 'self-reporting', to the moderators (to get a ban in place). But I'm a big boy, and can accomplish self- isolation. It's just that there are several math types that I really appreciate, and the tear-downs are appreciated as well.Solution(s) ? Uh, well, that question gets me laughing, but there's assholes for sure, vandals.

author: BlackHecilopter
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 01:30:31 am
content: Hire H-1B's and this is what your company will look like

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 07:32:53 am
content: Quote from: BlackHecilopter on October 16, 2025, 01:30:31 amRacism notwithstanding, how about showing an actual company in USA that uses H-1Bs, like;Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Meta, Google, Tesla, Ernst & Young, JPMorgan......

author: BlackHecilopter
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 12:47:23 pm
content: https://youtube.com/shorts/USNtbezfm-Q?si=jps1cAZpEtYmOG8z

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 05:03:03 pm
content: Quote from: Andy Chee on October 16, 2025, 07:32:53 amA small collection courtesy of Google AI. Silicon Gulch is full of H1Bs.Quote

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 06:01:32 pm
content: That piccy reminds me of down town phillidelphia,only thing missing is folks shooting up.

author: UnijunctionTransistor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 06:11:36 pm
content: Quote from: Andy Chee on October 16, 2025, 07:32:53 amAgree that BlackHecilopter post is racist.I would argue quite the contrary; that many of India’s brightest, which could have improved the country have instead immigrated mostly to the US/ UK/ Canada. These countries have greatly benefited from this talent.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 06:13:11 pm
content: The stated purpose of these programs is claimed to protect the local workforce, but in reality their goal is to create conditions that entrench monopolies. Artificial restrictions on the market and worker mobility allow big companies to control salaries and talent, in a truly open and competitive market, such practices simply wouldn’t survive.Some might assume this issue is unique to the US, but in reality, exactly the same dynamics present in many countries worldwide.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 06:27:44 pm
content: Quote from: UnijunctionTransistor on October 16, 2025, 06:11:36 pmI’m not entirely sure that the brightest talent always drives the immigration flow. From my observation in the US, some Indian communities tend to rely on extended family and alumni networks for job placement, creating tight-knit enclaves within companies. This sometimes prioritizes social or familial connections over pure professional merit, which can affect how talent is distributed.

author: UnijunctionTransistor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 06:31:02 pm
content: Radiolistener.Yes, that is also true.But similar to many communities.Here where I live we have a large filipino community. Hard working guys. At least the ones I actually know. Many brought here by family ties.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 06:48:48 pm
content: Quote from: UnijunctionTransistor on October 16, 2025, 06:11:36 pmI second that emotion.The epithet "racist!" shouldn't be thrown around lightly or indiscriminately, else it risks becoming meaningless. However, in this case the shoe fits.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 07:55:55 pm
content: In my experience, the majority of H1Bs do not stay in the US. Nearly all of my friends in India today are people I once worked with, had an H1B, and eventually returned to India to live like royalty. I had dinner with an Engineer in Washington, D.C., that I worked with probably 12 years ago. He was visiting for a conference and we crossed paths. I asked how he's getting along and if he planned to return to the US.He laughed at my question and told me that he, like many of his countrymen, only comes here for the experience, to get big paychecks and return home. They can use the knowledge and experience to claim the top jobs in India, and the accumulated money to set themselves up for a very comfortable life. He describes a home that is near palatial with staff. He has someone who cleans and washes his laundry, makes his food, and drives him to and from work.When I asked him about his thoughts on the new H1B costs, he laughed again. He said it is disappointing to those who wanted to follow him, but not to him. He sees a reduction in H1Bs as beneficial for his position, as there will be less competition.The H1B was a corporate money grab supported by politicians. In truth, there's essentially no shortage of staff to fill the jobs, just a shortage of those willing to be paid what an H1B will accept for the job. And the companies get to use the H1Bs to artificially reduce the wages of those who do accept them.It's been noted that corporations might just choose to outsource to other countries directly. That's true and very possible, but it has significant impacts on them for various reasons. Operational costs as they must hire and maintain staff to manage and work in all locations. It costs them because they often have staffing goals for tax breaks in certain areas. There's a non-insignificant impact to productivity due to time differences and so on.The last point I'll make is that companies hiring many H1Bs already have substantial operations in other countries that are cheaper to hire in, yet they prefer to have the heads in the US. They simply want to pay less for them. The changes to the H1B program aren't going to stop companies, but it will make them more serious if they go that route instead of a local hire.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 08:17:53 pm
content: Quote from: Cyclotron on October 16, 2025, 07:55:55 pmI’m not convinced this will strengthen local hiring — quite the opposite, actually. If visa restrictions make it harder to bring in skilled specialists, many companies will simply expand their overseas offices instead. That means fewer local offices, fewer support and administrative jobs tied to them, and ultimately lower tax revenue. The government will likely have to find some way to offset that loss.Though it’s also possible that this is intentional — as a part of a global effort to relocate the global economic center away from the US to other regions.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 16, 2025, 09:27:02 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener on October 16, 2025, 08:17:53 pmFirst, I'm not trying to convince you. But don't make the mistake that this is simple.The H1B changes so far have been simply to tack on a $100k fee for the initial application. If a person is hired and stays for the typical duration of 6 years (or even longer), that's only around an additional cost of 17k per year. This makes it "slightly" more expensive to hire H1Bs, requires an up-front fee, and introduces more risks. If the H1B doesn't work out, you could spend 100k for 6 months or however long it takes to find out the person is a dud. It also encourages retaining the successful talent for as long as possible which may promote citizenship.Companies have headcount numbers they must maintain for certain tax breaks and accommodations they are granted by the Federal, State, and local governments. Giving up those is likely far more valuable than you might imagine.Anyway, if a company wanted to pay the least, they wouldn't be in the US anyway. Please take note of this consideration when you think they will just pull anchor and leave. Why haven't they done it already?

author: Andy Chee
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 02:32:19 am
content: Quote from: Cyclotron on October 16, 2025, 09:27:02 pmYou make it sound like it's the company that pays the 100k.I am of the understanding that it is the immigrant worker who has to pay the 100k.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 18, 2025 03:33:17 am
content: Quote from: Andy Chee onYesterdayat 02:32:19 amWell, I had assumed it was paid by the employer because all processing has typically been required to be paid by the employer.So, I went and looked it up. The executive order didn't actually say, but theDepartment of Labor forbids the employer from passing the cost on to the H1B worker.

author: kite31
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 03:37:08 am
content: Quote from: Andy Chee onYesterdayat 02:32:19 amAnd if that were so, why would they come unless paid enough by the company to afford it?Sooner or later, user pays (hiring company in this case) like any other tariff or trade restriction.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 06:41:29 am
content: Quote from: kite31 onYesterdayat 03:37:08 amthat assumes a free and balanced market. In reality, H-1B workers have very limited mobility, so companies don’t need to compensate them enough to offset those costs. That’s precisely why the system leads to wage suppression and dependency. This is classic monopoly issue.And limiting H-1B visas may worsen rather than help the situation: companies could offshore more jobs, reducing local employment and tax revenue, while the workers who do come remain dependent and underpaid, perpetuating wage suppression.

author: krish2487
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 07:08:19 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener onYesterdayat 06:41:29 amI m torn here.. on one hand Im certain that the present incumbent administration does not have that kind of thinking ability to foresee this.. on the other hand, it would seem like a very smart move to disincentivize the H1B workers as a secondary effect and not just the companies hiring as a primary effect.Either way it just plays into the present govts calls of reducing migration.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 08:01:19 am
content: Removing incentives for skilled technical workers is effectively economic suicide — if the goal is to see your economy collapse, it would certainly be a very effective method. One skilled technical worker supports the employment of a dozen local lower-skilled and administrative staff. Removing that position can therefore sharply increase unemployment, slow technological progress, and risk economic decline and collapse. At least in the companies I have worked for, this was the case: each technical engineer supported approximately >10 (or even more) auxiliary and administrative positions.On the other hand, one cannot rule out that holders of significant capital may be deliberately shifting the global economic center away from the US to other regions, possibly because they see limited opportunities for efficient growth under the current conditions. In that context, measures that accelerate economic stagnation would be logically consistent.Frankly, reading recent news from China, it’s hard not to get the impression that China may have already overtaken the US in technology and economic influence, and catching up could be extremely difficult if even possible at all.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 18, 2025 01:19:30 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener onYesterdayat 08:01:19 amNo one removed "incentives for skilled technical workers." You made that up and then argued against yourself. Weird.QuoteOne can't rule out that the world is ran by a ruling class of lizard people aliens.QuoteYup, its just game over, look at all the immigrants rushing into China.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 01:39:20 pm
content: Quote from: Cyclotron onYesterdayat 01:19:30 pmI wasn’t claiming it actually happened — I was responding to@krish2487on the hypothetical scenario he mentioned, where the H1B program might be used to disincentivize skilled workers. My point was to illustrate the potential economic consequences if such a situation were implemented.Quote from: Cyclotron onYesterdayat 01:19:30 pmHaha, I think we can leave the lizard people theories to the sci-fi authorsMy point was simply about economic incentives and strategic decisions by major capital holders, which we can analyze based on observable trends and data.But seeing the level of cruelty in policies they push, one sometimes wonders if humans could really do this to their own species — it’s hard to imagine such ruthlessness toward one’s own kind. One can call them “aliens” in the sense that they are so utterly foreign in ways that are hard to comprehend. I call them possessed by demons.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 02:00:03 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener onYesterdayat 08:01:19 amWith decades of massive wage suppression, unprecedented levels of economic espionage and a suicidal willingness of the west to countenance both. Now joined by massive levels of cyberwarfare and phone/internet fraud, parts by the Chinese state and parts by state sanctioned criminals, who are also enslaving massive numbers of people from neighbouring nations in the process).It's more a question of wether China can return to being a state worth being entangled with and if not when the west will stop pretending it is.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 18, 2025 02:15:33 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener onYesterdayat 01:39:20 pmAh, sorry, I didn't see that as I have that member in an ignore list.QuoteThe trends over the past few years has been to insource and onshore. Just as there is a trend in industry to pull back from "the cloud." Knowledge workers are in high supply and getting higher as AI takes over rote memory knowledge worker hours. The logistics are costly, efficiency lower, and company culture strained when extended substantially across the world.The pandemic taught industry a lot about their weaknesses when having their organizations strung out and supply chains extended.As for capital holders, A lot of big capital wants those high rise towers back at capacity. They are doing a lot to get them back to those pre-pandemic levels. They also know that they have more influence and power in the West and will remain there.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 02:25:42 pm
content: Quote from: Marco onYesterdayat 02:00:03 pmChina has long become a player that cannot be ignored. It has clearly transitioned from being a patchwork of semi-colonial influence to an independent and powerful actor, a country that is increasingly difficult to pressure without severe consequences for the one attempting it. Yet the West still seems not to have fully recognized this reality.But it’s also possible that this is partly for show — that, at a higher level, both China and the US are just pieces in a broader game of international power. I'm not sure. But I inclined to view China and the West as representing the interests of distinct players.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 03:30:52 pm
content: Quote from: Cyclotron onYesterdayat 02:15:33 pmI am inclined to see the pandemic as a planned and engineered event (which should be evident) as a preparatory and calibration measure for wartime, which creates a certain dissonance in this context. Such serious undertakings are always preceded by extensive testing of system parameters to calibrate dynamic variables, ensuring predictability and controllability of the process. If big capital were truly interested in maintaining the pre-pandemic status quo, they would not have orchestrated such a global spectacle. Based on this, it is far from certain that they are doing it to recreate the same system we have seen before.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 18, 2025 08:17:57 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener onYesterdayat 03:30:52 pmI thought you wanted to leave such things to the fiction authors? The alien lizzards want to see how poorly organized we are as a race? Anyone with significant power for war can end most of the world in about 30mins. There's no calibrating for it or defending against it, though the US is trying to. À la golden dome aka star wars 2.oh shit it didn't work.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2025 10:25:05 pm
content: Quote from: Cyclotron onYesterdayat 08:17:57 pmNo, it should be pretty obvious. Before major geopolitical events, one can often observe spontaneous “panic behaviors” — sudden shortages, rumor-driven buying sprees, and irrational social reactions. These moments provide valuable insight into how information spreads and how populations respond to perceived threats.You might underestimate the importance of calibration. Intelligence and strategic organizations always conduct behavioral studies before major operations — they need to understand how populations react to stress, uncertainty, or conflicting information. For instance, a year or two before the war, there were sudden irrational panics where people rushed to buy salt, even though there was no shortage at all. To any rational observer it looked very absurd, yet in retrospect such episodes clearly served as real-time tests of rumor propagation dynamics — measuring information spread rates, dominant communication channels, and public susceptibility to amplification.Similarly, the pandemic phase was used to refine mechanisms of coercion, control, and enforcement — many of which later reappeared in wartime policy implementations.Interestingly, after the war began, the pandemic seemed to vanish almost overnight — within a week, it was as if it had never existed. A few people still wore masks out of habit, but otherwise the entire narrative disappeared as if by magic.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 18, 2025 11:12:41 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener onYesterdayat 10:25:05 pmYou suffer from apophenia. Maybe study some Aristotle or at least read up on Occam's Razor.Also look up the definition of pandemic. COVID-19 and its variants are still rampant everywhere. It's not over.None of this has anything to do with H1B, unless there's evidence/facts I'm missing.

author: kite31
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: «Reply #87 on:Todayat 12:30:03 am »
content: Quote from: radiolistener onYesterdayat 06:41:29 amAre we talking skilled workers or desperate?Mobility within the country of work is not ordinarily expected by a skilled person hired by a specific company on a particular visa.Whatever the outcome, the relevant cost impact flows through. I agree that the process both encourages dispersion of work to other countries which might otherwise supply workers, and gives those countries development opportunities from skills retention.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: «Reply #88 on:Todayat 12:53:46 am »
content: Quote from: Cyclotron onYesterdayat 11:12:41 pmAccusing me of apophenia for linking it to the pandemic is a bit ironic, since it wasyour own postthat brought the pandemic into this discussion in the first place.And I couldn’t help noticing — you came fully prepared with Aristotle and Occam’s Razor from the start!That aside, the behavioral and systemic observations remain relevant when considering H1B hiring practices and workforce dynamics, which was the original topic.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: «Reply #89 on:Todayat 01:23:41 am »
content: Quote from: kite31 onTodayat 12:30:03 amWhether a worker is "skilled" or "desperate" doesn’t change the structural fact: H‑1B visa constraints limit mobility, which allows companies to suppress wages and control employment conditions. The economic dynamics hold regardless of individual choices or personal circumstances.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: «Reply #90 on:Todayat 02:03:57 am »
content: Quote from: radiolistener onTodayat 12:53:46 amQuite being so obtuse. What's irrelevant is nonsense about some overlords with a master plan. It's childish and obscene.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: «Reply #91 on:Todayat 02:20:26 am »
content: Quote from: radiolistener onTodayat 01:23:41 amYou're wrong. The "structural facts" of an H1B define the circumstances and qualifications on companies to ask permission to temporarily fill fill a position with an immigrant. They have always been defined that way and only the cost of acquiring an H1B has changed. There's no guarantee a company will even get allotted a slot because it is a lottery. After 3 years the immigrant may go home or may get a 3 year extension but then go home.The world has worked with borders, walls or limits forever. Society has structure, the vast majority of the world is good with it, so you're going to have to suffer through it.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: «Reply #92 on:Todayat 04:48:12 am »
content: Quote from: Cyclotron onTodayat 02:03:57 amSorry, but I don't understand what you talking about, we seem to be talking past each other.Quote from: Cyclotron onTodayat 02:20:26 amBy that logic, one could argue that monopolies are just a ‘structural feature of the market’, since they have always existed and people have always lived with them.

author: kite31
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: «Reply #93 on:Todayat 06:02:53 am »
content: Quote from: radiolistener onTodayat 01:23:41 amThe problem is that you are unable to express those "economic dynamics" or "structural fact" beyond asserting them contrary to the fact that a skilled worker is not mobility constrained in any manner not previously obvious and, being "skilled", can estimate requisite compensation, not being desperate. My assumption is that the skilled worker has agency over their employment decisions, unlike many in lower paid jobs. Agreeing to enter and to fulfill a contract is not an unrecompensed limitation of mobility.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: «Reply #94 on:Todayat 04:09:00 pm »
content: Quote from: kite31 onTodayat 06:02:53 amYour distinctions between “skilled” and “desperate” workers are somewhat misplaced. To obtain an H‑1B visa, a worker must first secure a sponsoring employer. That employer has no interest in immediately losing that worker to a higher-paying job elsewhere. Consequently, contracts and NDA always include clauses restricting job changes, non-compete provisions, and limitations on working for competitors for a period after leaving.This reflects the actual state of affairs. And your apparent misunderstanding suggests that you may be quite removed from the IT sector, or just working for some government funded trash-company, like trolls factory, digital ID or something like that — this is not IT.The H‑1B visa itself is tied to a specific employer, effectively restricting mobility. It’s hard to imagine a company hiring skilled foreign talent without imposing strict conditions that prevent freely switching employers.As for the “desperate” category, it is largely irrelevant — no rational company would hire a foreign worker under such circumstances even if there were no visa restrictions.I can hardly imagine any company attempting to hire a “desperate” worker abroad, even if they held a US citizenship. It’s simply stupid and absurd.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: «Reply #95 on:Todayat 04:13:34 pm »
content: Historically, before Independence and the later 13th Amendment, many English migrants to the present USA came over as “indentured servants” (q.v.).

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: «Reply #96 on:Todayat 06:30:07 pm »
content: Quote from: radiolistener onTodayat 04:09:00 pmYou have the cart and horse reversed. A company seeks H1Bs and if successful, opens a position to fill. Applications, interviews and so on proceed as normal. The position may or may not be filled by an H1B. Having approval only opens the pool of candidates to non-citizens.QuoteIt isn't legal for companies to restrict H1B workers for job changes. Nor is it in the best interest given they too would want to compete for the best talent.QuoteNo, they don't.Non-competes were banned in 2024 by the federal government and are also banned/illegal in a lot of states.If you were even remotely familiar with this subject you'd know there's entire specialty law firms to assist H1B workers in the transfer to another company process.The new company has an H1B opening its easy, if not, they have to petition for one. The same is true in reverse and the companies that employ many H1Bs hire each other's talent all the time.QuoteAs I pointed out above, you don't appear to understand how any of this works so I'm not sure you're in a position to call someone else out, but I've not seen your ignorance stop you before.QuoteYou don't have to imagine, the laws are the laws. And if you want to claim that companies are breaking the law, name the names and provide evidence, we can get them prosecuted.QuoteIt is unlikely that the employer would know that a candidate is desperate. If the candidate provides that information in some way to the company, the company would probably not hire them due to their apparent lack of intelligence vs. desperation.