Ladyada interview with Paul Horowitz - The Art of Electronics - Page 1
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author: Bloch
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 04:48:34 pm
content: A great interview

author: Bloch
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 04:52:16 pm
content: Paul Horowitz ~ "I never took a course in electronic"

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 05:36:57 pm
content: She keeps interrupting him.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 05:50:52 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on May 30, 2015, 05:36:57 pmWith the predictable annoying crap like "yeah, because you can just stick in a microcontroller these days, amirite?" or "herp derp what's a termination"

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 05:56:38 pm
content: Cool. Jazzed for the Hill followup.(FYI, Win occasionally posts on sci.electronics.design, and yes, the ancient tradition of Usenet is *still* around, slowly but surely.)Tim

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 06:22:05 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on May 30, 2015, 05:36:57 pmTotally agree, my comment before reading yours was that she sure likes the sound of her own voice. That would drive me potty!On several occasions she also showed a slightly surprising lack of knowledge, definitely she was saying stuff without thinking first.However, in all it was a good watch. I particularly like the semi-jibes at EE courses that jump head first into theory with almost no practical, that was pretty much how my EE degree course went 30 odd years ago. As I've mentioned before on this forum, you could easily go through my entire course without touching an oscilloscope or using a soldering iron. In fact looking back on it, I don't think I ever used a scope on my EE degree once. They had them, but they weren't for undergrads. Luckily I'd already figured out how to use one at school at about 13 or 14 yo with the other nerdy kids!

author: Tandy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 10:27:48 pm
content: I kept wanting to tell her to shut up so I could listen to what he was trying to say. He clearly had a lot of interesting things to say and would have much preferred to hear it without her talking over him.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 11:17:37 pm
content: I don't think he left anything unsaid he made sure everything was covered to his satisfaction.Maybe a little annoying but I didn't mind her interjections much, I think she was trying to prove herself as an equal by trying to finish his sentences but he didn't mind anyways.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 11:35:25 pm
content: @EEVblogDave, could you please interview him? You could use some of these modern videoconferencing systems, despite they may be sucky at times. Or you could use it for live interview and use high quality recording for the final video, whatever you may likeYou don't need to replace your knowledge by showing your first editions of AoE, but it can be nice to talk about how they evolved.I have one question: What about translating AoE 3E to Spanish?PS: I have severe problems understanding them. I find Dave's australian English easier to understand

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2015, 11:48:43 pm
content: Quote from: miguelvp on May 30, 2015, 11:17:37 pmI agree although I think I found her interjections rather more irritating then you did. As far as her trying to prove herself as an equal, well, I think we can all draw our own conclusions to that. Sometimes it's just time to listen and STFU. It's a shame because I have a lot of time for go getters and enablers, but as an interviewer I'm afraid she didn't work for me at all.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 12:08:24 am
content: What can I say, I'm a married man, so I'm used to someone finishing my sentences

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 12:29:50 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on May 31, 2015, 12:08:24 amI guess that's why I've never made the

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 12:49:22 am
content: Quote from: Howardlong on May 31, 2015, 12:29:50 amSeems like you are ready for "commitment"

author: fubar.gr
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 12:55:06 am
content: I really like those plushies in the background, especially that DIP 6

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 01:25:17 am
content: Quote from: fubar.gr on May 31, 2015, 12:55:06 amPink hair, cool place, collecting AoE editions, interrupting him in the interview all time...Is it a way to hide their lack of background? Does she want so much attention?

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 01:33:34 am
content: She is "The" founder of Adafruit FWIW, I don't think she needs a lot of attention grabbinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limor_Fried

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 01:46:52 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on May 31, 2015, 01:33:34 amAre you sure? Adafruit is made for the purpose of attention grabbing to her (and profit, of course)

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 01:48:35 am
content: Adafruit is a store. Good for her and all, but one could sing higher praise...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 01:52:20 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on May 30, 2015, 11:35:25 pmVideo conferencing really does suckWe want to get him on the Amp Hour.Both he and Win are fans of the EEVblog, so I can get their ear.Personally I'd be asking a lot about his SETI research.Would love to interview them in person, but that's not going to happen

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 01:55:14 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on May 30, 2015, 11:35:25 pmI get that comment a lot from a big mix of non-native english speakers, somehow they find my accent easier to understand than Yanks or Poms

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 02:04:02 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on May 31, 2015, 01:48:35 amIs a store that sprung from her DIY kit that even she didn't want to assemble but her fans pushed so much that she gave in and started to assemble kits for sale, hired people to help her out and from that Adafruit was born, so she is a huge part of the so called "Maker" movement birth 10 years ago.Maybe not higher praise to you but looks impressive to me.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 02:11:25 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on May 31, 2015, 01:25:17 amTo be fair, while she does make my eyes roll like nothing else, nothing but the interruptions in all of that is anything worth judging people on.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 02:31:59 am
content: He seems like a really, really nice guy.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 02:41:39 am
content: Quote from: george graves on May 31, 2015, 02:31:59 amThis. Lest I get carried away bitching about Fried, Horowitz was wonderful. He seems like he'd be fun to spend some time around. I have high hopes for the following Hill interview.

author: John_ITIC
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 05:49:51 am
content: So what about the 3rd edition? Is it worth buying? I noticed on Amazon.com that there is no preview so not even a table of content to look at.Edit: Found the TOC here:https://blog.adafruit.com/2015/03/02/new-site-the-art-of-electronics-3rd-edition-by-horowitz-and-hill/

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 07:04:54 am
content: Also available here (the TOC)http://artofelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/AoE_3e_table-of-contents.pdfFull Chapter 9 link in first post on this as well:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-art-of-electronics-(3rd)-chapter-9/I would put the direct link but want Blofeld to take his due credit

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 08:11:45 am
content: Wow, tough crowd!Cool interview despite its flaws.Keep in mind that LadyAda is not a video blogger or professional interviewer. She's an EE and business owner who probably has never done an interview like this before. I'm not sure any of us could do better.

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 08:44:12 am
content: But some of us might have Masters Degrees in EE and know how a satellite dish or transmission line termination works. That, in deed, was a bit surprising. Maybe she was just playing uninformed, so that non-professional viewers would get some answers. The interview itself was fine and informative. Lady Ada tried to contribute something and make it a conversation instead of a monologue. That's exactly what I like about Dave's interviews. Naturally Limor and Horrowitz didn't exactly meet at eye level, but he has a few decades of top academic research on her and she has to manage a business. He interrupted her just as often.Another thing, I'd like to read your opinion on: It was the first time I ever saw Horrowitz and heard him talking. You could see how much of an old school scientist he is, his knowledge just oozing out. However, call me a heretic, but for some reason I didn't like him personally. I can't put my finger on it, but I wouldn't want to work for him or take one of his classes. It just seems like he has a vicious side. Its like he tried to come across nice, when he really isn't.

author: ornea
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 09:25:19 am
content: Ok, I am sold. Where is a good place to order the book for someone in Western Australia.I am thinking direct fromwww.cambridge.orgor cheaper atwww.bookdepository.com.Any preferences/suggestions.

author: Tandy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 10:12:02 am
content: I think some people confuse criticism of something with a personal attack.Limor has done a lot to help promote the 'maker' scene and has created a successful business from nothing at the same time. She deserves the recognition that she gets for those achievements. However her video interviewing technique didn't work for me. It is not often that you get to hear from people like Horowitz so I would much prefer to hear what he had to say without the interruptions. I'm hoping she may see some of the feedback and take it as constructive advice for the next interview video she does rather than an attack on her.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 10:13:57 am
content: Quote from: con-f-use on May 31, 2015, 08:44:12 amYou need to re-tune your antenna. Your "ass-hat" detector is 180 degrees out of phase IMHO

author: Obin
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 10:28:36 am
content: "never took a course in electronics"

author: Blofeld
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 10:31:16 am
content: Quote from: con-f-use on May 31, 2015, 08:44:12 amCan't confirm the impression he might be hiding some vicious side. What surprised me was how youthful he appears - he was already a prof in 1974, right?Anyway, 2 interesting facts about the upcoming books were mentionend:1) "Learning the Art of Electronics" will be a 1000-page volume (watch at 42:45), expanded from the 620 pages or so from the last "Student Manual" that accompanied the 2nd edition2) The "X-Chapters" book will come out within the next 2 years (watch at 48:10)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 10:43:35 am
content: Quote from: con-f-use on May 31, 2015, 08:44:12 amI often cop the same flack for my interviews, because they aren't really interviews, they are just really a "conversation" and you go with the flow.I for example often (without actually trying to do it deliberately) try to guide the conversation for the sake of either the audience, or my own personal curiosity. If I think of something interesting on the spot that they aren't mentioning or I don't get the sense they are going to get around to mentioning then I'll often interject.Often it's a question I know the answer too, but I know the audience might not, and I know it will make for interesting detail. If so, you are damn right I'm going to interject.Sometimes if you leave the question to later and do the "so lets go back to discuss this again..." it ruins the flow, or worse, you just let it slide by. That's worse than interjecting IMO.Way too often I've seen bloggers interview people and they hardly say anything, and I scream at the screen "ask them more detail about what they just said" etc. It's very often boring because your average person being interviewed is not great at entertaining long story monologues. A good technical interviewer should be able to interject all the time with interesting questions as they come up in the conversation, whilst still ensuring they let the person ultimately finish what they were saying.And it's not just technical, I see it in professional news and current affairs interviews too when the interviewee mentions something amazing or controversial, and the interviewer just goes on being "professional" and asks the next set question they have, and they miss the opportunity, that sucks.I haven't watched the whole video yet, but I suspect Limor's style isn't too dissimilar to mine.Everyonethinksthey can do better, but I'd bet they most will either be batshit boring, or do something not too dissimilar. No such thing as the perfect interview, and every interviewee is different, and you don't know what they are like until you are in the thick of it. I'd suggest cutting her some slack.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 10:59:05 am
content: Dave, you are more interested in the topic ( and definitely know more than the talking head in most cases) so you can afford those tangents. Doug Ford is very interesting, and you two are a good example of an interview and education from both parties, with good explanation in all cases.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 11:11:46 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on May 31, 2015, 10:59:05 amThe thing with the videos I've done with Doug is that I know the guy, he's a mate, we worked together for 5 years or so, I often know what he's going to say before he says it, or I know where he's going etc.When you interview or do videos with people you don't know, you have to completely wing it. No one style can work in all cases.

author: Jope
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 11:22:10 am
content: Some people here seem to think that Limor Fried owes them something.She owes you absolutelynothing. She can interview and talk with whomever she wants, in whatever way she wants.Take it or leave it.Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on May 31, 2015, 01:25:17 amYour comment says more about yourself then about her.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 11:30:04 am
content: Some people here have problem with negative feedback. It's just as valid as positive feedback.

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 11:48:22 am
content: I thought the interview was great. Paul and Limor appeared comfortable chatting together and indulging in the odd bit of teasing, and the informal style seemed to suit his character.

author: ornea
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 11:53:23 am
content: Quote from: ornea on May 31, 2015, 09:25:19 am

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 11:55:44 am
content: Quote from: Jope on May 31, 2015, 11:22:10 amI have nothing to hide! I accept negative feedback like in electronics. So shoot me!I'm a total newbie, lack of style, with some mental illness, poor and still unable to get job.But I'm tired of people that have too much style or proffessional ass lickers and gets all the credit or even appropiated others' work, I suffered that in many stuff I did and it's one of the reasons I abandoned many interests. And often times the nerdy people are really hard working on it or even the people struggling at it and having difficulties with the topics but nobody cares of them.Of course I envy their money and resources, who's not in my position!

author: Tandy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 12:08:13 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 31, 2015, 10:43:35 amI'm not sure I agree with that part, I for one don't think I could do better. I have tried working on the radio and just don't like the sound of my own voice. So in my case I just found that I wanted to hear what he had to say in his words rather than Limor cutting him off.

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 12:24:05 pm
content: I don't know if anybody noticed at the last second of the video (after it went already black) Horowitz saying "There it was more than 5 minutes...".

author: iloveelectronics
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 12:44:37 pm
content: My favourite part of the interview:"The third edition manuscript was due in December... of 1994, according to our original contract. So we delivered it 20 years late."I wonder how many other people can get away with missing a deadline by 20 years

author: MDG
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 01:58:12 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on May 31, 2015, 08:44:12 amI took Physics 123 from Paul Horowitz many years ago. At least from the perspective of a student, I can say that he really is a very nice guy. He is an excellent teacher. I remember he was very approachable, patient, happy to answer questions, and he exuded an infectious enthusiasm for electronics (and physics).

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 02:38:00 pm
content: Quote from: Jope on May 31, 2015, 11:22:10 amNo, I don't think people are saying that she owes them something at all, you are reading in far too much into it as far as I am concerned.If you've ever had a discussion with someone who thinks they know it all, and doesn't, and repeatedly keeps trying to finish your sentences for you (often incorrectly) it becomes irritating. Perhaps she may have been playing dumb, maybe she's a damn good actress, but to me it was a case of engaging mouth before engaging brain. There was a similar situation recently with another interviewer talking with Sophie Wilson but not to quite the same extent.As I stated before, I am all for go getters and people who add value, and Ladyada has certainly achieved that, she has nothing to prove, end of story. But that doesn't mean she's automatically good at interviewing. We all have skills in certain areas, we can't all automatically be good at everything.It's down to a style and knowing when to listen and when to add to conversation. And no, I'm not saying I'd do any better, far from it in fact, but that also does not exclude me from having an opinion either.Edit: for readability due to embedded url.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 03:03:21 pm
content: Quote from: Howardlong on May 31, 2015, 02:38:00 pmThe hypocrites who subscribe to the "nobody can have or speak a negative opinion about anything, ever" school of thought are best ignored, in my experience...

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 05:23:17 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on May 31, 2015, 11:55:44 amThis is way off base if you're referring to Limor. She has bachelors and master's degrees from MIT. She designed and built several cool things before running Adafruit became her main gig. Have a lookHEREfor more info on what she's done. TheWavebubbleshe designed and built for her Masters thesis is especially cool IMO. I'd love to build one.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 05:27:44 pm
content: Quote from: MDG on May 31, 2015, 01:58:12 pmNice to hear. That is exactly the same impression I got from watching the video. I''m looking forward to the interview with Hill.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 05:53:13 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 31, 2015, 01:52:20 amAnybody who watches TWIT knows that is not true. Even internationally.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 06:44:14 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 31, 2015, 05:53:13 pmThey did a lot of work to get it that good, and even then it will barf in them on air. Especially on those who are calling in on a non VPN connection where the ISP is doing throttling on VOIP calls.

author: jolshefsky
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 07:43:15 pm
content: I'm not sure what I expected from an interview—after all, the part I find interesting is in hundreds of pages sitting on my desk (and, shamelessly bought from Adafruit.) It was interesting to hear the history of how the book came to be. In all, as an interview, I didn't think it was that bad ... I've seen much better interviewers, but that's not Lady Ada's forté anyhow.What I did find a little distracting was that I perceived a bit of, for lack of a better word, flirtation—on both sides. Not like blatant 16-year-old kind of flirtation, or the kind of smitten flirtation, but more of a "gee I think you're swell but there's no way this can work" kind of thing. She had a kind of "I admire your work and desire acknowledgement from you but I'm going to try not to be an ass" and he had a kind of "if I had met an attractive, techie, intelligent woman like you 40 years ago I would have been so tongue-tied, but I'm old enough to just smile and enjoy the thought now".Since this technical field is currently male-dominated, it's usually men interviewing other men, and without any underlying physical or sexual attraction, so everything is entirely academic. But I know how I am, and I would (and do) find it very difficult to hide my attraction if I were to interview an attractive, techie, intelligent woman. Put another way, no amount of editing could make me look anything but flirtatious if I were to interview Fried herself.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2015, 08:08:14 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 31, 2015, 05:53:13 pmDelay is good, more time to speak before the interruption ;-)

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 12:08:22 am
content: Quote from: mtdoc on May 31, 2015, 05:23:17 pm... with the help of an RF dude, which is interesting, because fundamentally thisisan RF project. It does also resonate (!) with her apparent difficulty in understanding the termination thing in the video.Having said that I thought that the transmission line termination part of the video was probably one of the most educating parts, explaining that that 200pF capacitance (apparently) disappears when terminated with the characteristic impedance. If I am to be picky, when LA starts talking about "bounce" I really don't think she has a clue what Horowitz was saying when he originally used the term, confusing the reflection "bounce" of the signal with the constructive and destructive wave effects when the frequency is changed.The other bit that was really good, and at this point she had me shouting at the monitor, was about the amount of power used from a satellite compared to doing a terrestrial transmission. Then she was talking about the power in the receive antenna. Maybe that was a setup, I don't know.The disposal of the databooks reminded me of what I did about a year or so ago. I dumped 85% of my paper library, pretty much a history of my career, but realistically, I hardly ever used them, it's all online now, and/or on my iPad.So, pros and cons, and definitely a net plus. I just wish she'd have used those oft quoted MIT bachelors and masters degrees of hers and think before spouting, that's all.

author: monksod
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 02:02:48 am
content: Christ some of you guys are harsh! I watched the interview & thought it flowed along just fine! The two of them bounced off each other quite naturally, it was a good little interview! Sheesh!

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 02:07:47 am
content: I have shot lots and lots of on-camera interviews. It is a long learned talent. Limor has probably not done many of these, and I suspect she will easily learn to guide the conversation in a more polished way. Yapping about it here does not help much.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 02:10:36 am
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 31, 2015, 05:53:13 pmIt's only as good as the gear and connection people have at both ends.It's even hard to do with just audio on the Amp Hour.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 08:01:02 am
content: What an annoying woman.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 09:56:15 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 01, 2015, 02:10:36 amIt was - 1-2 years ago. But you might want to keep that as a tool in your mental tool box - cause many people are doing it now. Damn near seamlessly too. For example - one I say recently does a split screen - Andrew at Mixergy.com - he make it so, so seamless (not really my cup of tea, it's more of serial entrepreneur kind of stuff - but it's a good example.)PS.....I don't care about any of that - I want an update on the PNP machine!

author: JoeO
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 01:42:16 pm
content: Quote from: monksod on June 01, 2015, 02:02:48 amLet's be honest here. You are Dr Simon Monk who writes for Lady Ada's website.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 02:14:58 pm
content: I stopped watching after may be 10 minutes. I did not see her showing the guest respect. To me this had nothing to do with directing the dialog, it just looked plain erratic. I think anyone jumping in the host chair to interview people should first learn how to do it. Watching some of Larry King may help.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 02:27:23 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on June 01, 2015, 02:14:58 pmSame here. Perhaps she plays better for New Yorkers than people out here thousands of miles away, but it was just too annoying. And the "signal to noise ratio" of the content seemed very low.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 03:00:00 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on June 01, 2015, 02:14:58 pmSame here, I stopped when he was trying to explain his favorite graph and she kept interrupting him.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 03:41:20 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 01, 2015, 03:00:00 pmThen I guess you'll have to read all hundred plus pages of chapter 8 instead of just using the graph.Maybe it's me, but I don't let the little things bother me from content that I won't be able to get otherwise. But then again I never did walk out of a meeting pissed, Actually I don't think I've ever been pissed at work for anything even if people are screaming at me for whatever reason.

author: marshallh
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 03:58:47 pm
content: Had to close it after a while. Mr Horowitz has the patience of a saint.Quote from: Delta on June 01, 2015, 08:01:02 am

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 04:29:05 pm
content: Its amazing how many different opinions aggregate here. This should be a lesson in subjectiveness for all of us. However, the negative opinions on Limor seem to be more numerous.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 04:51:40 pm
content: Dave does a much better job of interviewing people. For example, I thought the series on microphones with Doug Ford was great.And the factory tour with the SMD assembly plant, etc.It seems pretty clear that Dave's EEVblog audience is more technically savvy and sophisticated than LadyAda's audience.So maybe she was trying to "dumb it down" for her presumed audience? Just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 04:56:49 pm
content: Just to interject some Devil's Advocate here...I wonder what peoples' opinions would be like if a man did the interview, using the exact same lines and delivery.Aaaand, go tumbl yourselves...Tim

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 04:58:47 pm
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on June 01, 2015, 04:56:49 pmWhy would it be any less annoying? I guess I don't see your attempted point?

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 05:08:50 pm
content: Quote from: miguelvp on June 01, 2015, 03:41:20 pmNo, I don't. I don't have the book and I don't do low noise analog stuff, and she didn't let him explaining it anyway.Quote from: miguelvp on June 01, 2015, 03:41:20 pmI was not pissed and it's not a meeting or work for me. It became content not worth watching, like many other internet videos.Quote from: T3sl4co1l on June 01, 2015, 04:56:49 pmAnd I wonder what peoples' opinions would be like if a Chiwawa did the interview, using the exact same lines and delivery. ;-)

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 05:57:56 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 01, 2015, 05:08:50 pmThis Chiwawa?Or this one?

author: AndreasF
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 06:48:46 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on June 01, 2015, 04:29:05 pm... or simply more vocal.I had seen this thread before watching the video - after watching it I couldn't quite understand what the fuss was all about.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 07:28:51 pm
content: Quote from: AndreasF on June 01, 2015, 06:48:46 pmI basically agreed with that and felt the video was well worth watching. However Limor's seemingly ignorance of how a coax cable's rated impedance is maintained (and why you want that) only when properly terminated seemed very strange for a MIT grad.Maybe she was just zoning out on the subject, it happens.

author: jancumps
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 07:55:19 pm
content: Quote from: AndreasF on June 01, 2015, 06:48:46 pmThe same here.I watched after reading a few pages into this thread, and feared for the worst.What I saw was a nice and interesting interview. Both of them dragged me into the conversation from start to end.It's strange how we all experience the same thing very different, isn't it

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 10:50:45 pm
content: very enjoyable video, thanks for posting!

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2015, 11:46:25 pm
content: If Mr Horowitz didn't mind, I couldn't of her style. I could see she is trying her best. It would be good if she was not wearing the peircing, it is painfully to watch people wearing peircing. I am encouraging my daughter into electronics but I do not want to see peircing as a trend for female (or male too) in this industry.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 12:09:58 am
content: Quote from: all_repair on June 01, 2015, 11:46:25 pmThatof all things bothers you about her? Come on...

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 01:18:34 am
content: Quote from: all_repair on June 01, 2015, 11:46:25 pmJust encourage your daughter to get her nipples orDeloris{Am I dating myself with a Seinfeld reference?} pierced. That way it won't distract you; only her boyfriend(s) will see it!Problem solved.Sent from my Tablet

author: SArepairman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 03:52:52 am
content: i did not watch the video but i did read the thread and yall need to go outside for a little while and look at some birds

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 04:08:24 am
content: Quote from: SArepairman on June 02, 2015, 03:52:52 amI would if you were from England.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 11:31:15 am
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on June 01, 2015, 04:56:49 pmDave did an interview recently (amp hour - I want to say it was the Freaklabs show)that he would interject/interrupt "Ah.. Oh yea right..It's just like I did back in the day with my project.....let me interrupt your story...I did XYZ" (personally I was thinking "shut up and let them talk") And no one called him on it. But that's fine. He was being a good host - and relating - and interjecting his experiences. Right on. It the same thing.Everyone commenting on this seems to be an expert on interviewing people. Or being on camera in general. Put yourself out there first, then you can comment.IMHO - The vitriol in this thread is outstanding. And why this forum will always have a dark cloud over it.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 11:47:49 am
content: QuoteThat part of this thread is just a simple 'free speech Vs political correct speech' issue that is nothing new around here and it won't make that dark cloud amount to anything significant.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 12:07:17 pm
content: Yea...but still. And also...

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 01:04:12 pm
content: Quote from: george graves on June 02, 2015, 11:31:15 amDon't know about everyone else, but Dave's style annoys me too - it's just not usually irritating to the point of commenting on because the things he interjects with aren't usually so damn dumb! Once in a while they are, though, at least relative to the interviewee - the one with Shahriar had me practically shouting at him...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 01:31:10 pm
content: Quote from: george graves on June 02, 2015, 11:31:15 amNo I didn't, we don't do "interviews" on the Amp Hour we invite guests on to "join the show" and shoot the breeze and have some fun dicussing whatever comes up.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 01:34:55 pm
content: Call it what you want, but it's still what just about anyone else would call an interview

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 01:41:17 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on June 02, 2015, 01:34:55 pmPeople can think whatever they like, doesn't change the fact that theactual hosts of the showdon't think it's an interview, don't approach it as such, don't prepare for it as such, and don't tell the guests that's what it's going to be. We ask guests "would you like to join us on the show".

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 01:43:50 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on June 01, 2015, 04:51:40 pmFunny, I copped a lot of flack for the SMD tour, more so than usual, all of it of the "shut up and let the guy talk" variety

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 03:03:09 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 02, 2015, 01:31:10 pmIn the case of Chuck Peddle (AH 241) he came to tell his story, not for an open discussion, and he had a lot to tell. The interruptions break the flow of the story. Not as extreme as the Horowitz case but unnecessary nevertheless. Chris is more considerate in this respect.http://www.theamphour.com/241-an-interview-with-chuck-peddle-charismatic-chipmaking-coryphaeus/

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 04:19:37 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 02, 2015, 01:43:50 pmIf it were easy, everyone would be doing it.

author: Sigmoid
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 06:28:23 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on June 02, 2015, 11:47:49 amWell, no. It's not about being politically correct. It's about not being atroll."In Internet slang, a troll (/?tro?l/, /?tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."(from Wikipedia)Yes, I do find Limor's style slightly grating, but not to the point of ruining the interview. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out. However, complaining about the fashion sense of the interviewer is not "free speech", it is trolling. It's inflammatory, it's extraneous, and it's most definitely off-topic.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 07:02:07 pm
content: Quote from: Sigmoid on June 02, 2015, 06:28:23 pmWould you react the same to a " I liked the color of her hair? "

author: Sigmoid
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 07:04:16 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 02, 2015, 07:02:07 pmLet me answer with a poetic question. What on Earth does that have to do with the interview?!

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 07:08:57 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 02, 2015, 07:02:07 pmDepends. A compliment can be different, because there's no air of criticism or implication that you think that'simportant, you're just noticing it. When you say youdon'tlike it, it comes across like you feel owed a more 'professional' look, whether or not that's what you actually intended.And for what it's worth, compliments can come across that way too - an air of "congratulations on living up to my appearance standards". Hard to tell without more context than just that one sentence, you very well might get people who think you meant it that way.

author: rx8pilot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2015, 07:59:50 pm
content: I like to see the convergence of art and science. That is what I take away from her bold look.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 01:21:23 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on June 02, 2015, 07:08:57 pmLike and don't like are symmetrical opinions. If one is allowed so should the other.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 01:35:23 am
content: It's not about what you're allowed to do, it's about coming across like a prick or not. Yes, you're free to state both opinions. No, both don't give people an equal impression of you.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 03:10:39 am
content: Quote from: zapta on June 02, 2015, 03:03:09 pmThat's whatyouwanted, and hence I think your view of it is skewed because of that.We invited him be a guest on the "free-for-all" show just like we invite everyone else. Sure we wanted to hear his stories, but it's not like it was ever intended to be a formal interview about his life story.We actually tell every guess right before hitting record that it's a "free-for-all", like what you'd get if you were sitting in the pub chatting to the person, that's how we approach the show. We never see ourselves as interviewers.QuoteWrong. Chris (I believe publicly) publicly said before the show that he'd probably sit back on this one because he has little knowledge of (or really interest in) old computers. It was a topic that I had much more personal interest in and knowledge of.You'll see this same pattern time and time again where either of us will break in more depending upon our enthusiasm or curiosity for whatever is being said at particular time.In many shows Chris has done a lot more interrupting than I have.But I suspect it will be impossible to convince you of this point of view.I'm not saying I don't interrupt (a lot?), but that's my style, and it's a deliberate nature of the show.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 03:14:46 am
content: Quote from: zapta on June 02, 2015, 07:02:07 pmI liked her Transistor Man T-Shirt!

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 03:18:11 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 03, 2015, 03:10:39 amOK.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 03:22:31 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on June 03, 2015, 01:35:23 amAgreed. People are allowed to be dicks, but you shouldn't be surprised when someone calls you on it.When someone starts criticising an interviewers piercings instead of the actual interview, that's being a bit of a dick IMO.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 03:28:55 am
content: Quote from: zapta on June 03, 2015, 03:18:11 am

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 08:31:55 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 02, 2015, 01:31:10 pmsplitting hairs IMHO. You know what I meant. BLAH!"#171 – An Interview with Forrest Mims ""An Interview With Chuck Peddle - The Amp Hour Electronics""#165 - An Interview with Henry Ott - Forced FCC Filtering"MORE herehttp://lmgtfy.com/?q=theamphour+interview#Not sure what your point is about not being prepared for an interview - most people aren't. Ya' want a medal for that? O0

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 12:14:08 pm
content: Quote from: george graves on June 03, 2015, 08:31:55 amNot splitting hairs, just stating afactof how we produce and approach having guests on the amp hour.Many people may not be aware of how we approach having guests on the show. Excuse me for sharing that with the world.QuoteYep, Chris writes those, we like SEO.QuoteSurely you can't be that clueless?When you formally interview someone, anyone with half a clue who wanted to conduct the interview at least somewhat "professionally" as per TV interviewers etc (as some people seems to expecting here?), would probably want to do some homework on them, and at least have a set of questions ready. Real professionals would have a game plan of how they want to steer the interview etc.We do none of that, it is literally a 'free-for-all" as we tell guests just before we hit record. We seriously do not know the first thing we will say in the show after the intro. And given that it's usually me who has the first word after the guest intriduces themselves, I can assure you I have little clue what I'm going to say. Just like my blog videos, I actually don't know exactly what I will say when I hit record.And to get back on topic, as an educated guess I would have Limor didn't either, she simply winged it, and she was excited to be talking with Paul. I would be too.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 02:07:18 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on June 03, 2015, 08:30:55 amI had to search to understand this reference.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 02:31:10 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 03, 2015, 12:14:08 pmThat's understandable and nobody is perfect. It's useful though to be open to feedback.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 02:34:07 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 03, 2015, 02:07:18 pmphew, good thing you told us so, so that we'd know you were above such things as popular television shows!

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 02:45:52 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on June 03, 2015, 02:34:07 pmI almost made a similar comment lol, doesn't mean I think I'm above popular TV.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 04:13:17 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on June 03, 2015, 02:34:07 pmSorry, I have no time to waste on that stupid show, and anyway, I am too busy watching Jerry Springer.;-)

author: eas
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 06:15:42 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on May 30, 2015, 05:50:52 pmI haven't watched more than a minute, but:Interviewing for an audience only looks easy when the interviewer (and or guest) is really good at it. Shit, people have network TV talk shows for years before they get halfway good at it.Part of the responsibility of an interviewer is to help interpret things for their audience. That can be done by interjecting a clarification, or asking the interviewee to clarify, or a combination of the two. Limor and Dave's audience may have some overlap, but also some considerable differences. I think its reasonable to assume that a lot of Limor's audience has some basic familiarity with microcontroller based projects and may not know about terminators/termination. Maybe you aren't the intended audience?

author: monksod
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 11:24:54 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 03, 2015, 03:22:31 amDamn straight. The very fact that some people are mentioning her "pink hair" and "piercings" is plain stupid. Personally I think it's great that our "hobby" isn't just a boy scouts club!

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2015, 11:57:48 pm
content: Quote from: monksod on June 03, 2015, 11:24:54 pmAgreed. But it is no less annoying to listen with your eyes closed.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 12:13:39 am
content: Quote from: monksod on June 03, 2015, 11:24:54 pmThat's a sexist assumption. Purple hair and piercing have nothing to do with gender.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 12:34:40 am
content: Quote from: eas on June 03, 2015, 06:15:42 pmThat's what I try to do all the time. And if something that I think is technically relevant at that instant pops into my head that the interviewee hasn't mentioned, then I've got to make the split second call whether or not to stop them and interject with that snippet of info, or whether or not it's better to let them proceed. That depends upon a whole host of factors I probably couldn't explain if I tried.Some people's interview technique is to never do that under any circumstances, they sit there and shut up and rattle off the next question once the person finally stops talking. Personally I don't like that style and don't often see a case where it works well in a live interview.

author: monksod
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 12:51:01 am
content: Quote from: zapta on June 04, 2015, 12:13:39 amSo if it was a guy with pink hair & piercings you'd still be whingeing?

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 12:58:59 am
content: Quote from: zapta on June 04, 2015, 12:13:39 amThat's anon sequitur."Purple(?) hair and piercing have nothing to do with gender" is true, but it does not follow that monksod made a sexist assumption.In fact there were no assumptions in monksod's post, sexist or otherwise, merely expressed opinions. I happen to agree with both.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 01:12:44 am
content: Quote from: monksod on June 04, 2015, 12:51:01 amDo you mean criticizing for over interrupting? Of course. What that has to do with the interruptions?

author: Tandy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 09:22:38 am
content: Actually I think it is unreasonable to criticise people for their appearance, what has it got to do with anyone else what someone choses to look like. If you don't like the way someone looks it says more about you than it does them. Commenting on the content someone produces IMHO is to be expected that people will give an opinion on that material.While commenting on material being published may have some purpose in that it may influence future work or possibly someone else will use the feedback to have a go and do it differently. Commenting on someones appearance achieves nothing and seems mighty shallow to me.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 09:38:49 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on June 04, 2015, 08:53:24 amAnd the joke is on them, because her " fairlyuncontroversialunconventional appearance" is a part of what has gotten her far.

author: smjcuk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 09:59:49 am
content: Late to the game here...I had pink hair and piercings back in the 1990s! Now I'm a slap head. Meh. Appearance means nothing.However that interview was awful. I mean really bad. Arrogant and unprofessional.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 10:54:10 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on June 04, 2015, 08:53:24 amThe bulk of criticism in this thread is about the frequent interruptions.

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 01:31:40 pm
content: Well there is a large "alternative" crowd out there who'd rather trust their own than some corporate entity. But I haven't seen her capitalize on that. So no idea what Dave is referring to. Maybe just the "unconventional" part.

author: Tandy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 01:39:57 pm
content: I'm not sure it is fair to say she has traded on her looks. More that the pink hair etc has had a good upside in that it may have generated more interest in Adafruit than a more conventional formal business look would. Lots of articles have commented on her pink hair along the lines of "wow look at this successful businesswoman and how she stands out with her pink hair". So it turns out that her choices have seemingly not hindered her if anything they have created publicity that has helped. So those who have pre-concived ideas of what someone SHOULD look like might want to re-evaluate that position.

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 02:20:05 pm
content: Anybody who appears in front of a camera to further their career trades on their looks to some degree. It has nothing to do with gender, and it's not about looksper se; it's about standing out from the crowd and having an 'image'.As Tandy observes, Ladyada is a businesswoman, and her unconventional image gives her a competitive advantage - just as does Dave's image as "That Crazy Aussie Bloke". Neither has anything to do with their competence in their chosen field, but they make them more interesting to us as human beings.

author: John Coloccia
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 02:36:07 pm
content: re: her interview, interrupting, etc...If Paul Horowitz can be gracious about it, I can be too.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 02:43:54 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on June 04, 2015, 01:24:01 pmI'm not biting on your feminist hook.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 02:44:48 pm
content: Quote from: rolycat on June 04, 2015, 02:20:05 pmI am looking forward for the "That Crazy Aussie Bloke With The Pink Hair" look.

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 02:47:39 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on June 04, 2015, 02:25:42 pmSo nobody has ever mentioned, say, Donald Trump's hair, or Steve Jobs' black turtleneck and jeans, or Richard Branson's beard?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 02:53:43 pm
content: Quote from: Tandy on June 04, 2015, 01:39:57 pmBingo.The media loves angles, without it a story is boring. Female founding a tech company is always a good angle. Female with pink hair and piercings who founded a successful tech company, that's agreatangle.Would she have been as successful in business without her "look"? of course, I have no doubt.Would she have been as widely covered in the media without her "look"? perhaps not.Welcome to the world of media.

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 03:09:45 pm
content: Limor Fried's business is successful for what she has done. Not only are her "pre-engineered solutions" good for artists and other maker types who don't know much about electrical engineering, they are useful even for engineers willing to trade money for time by purchasing pre-engineered modules to get a particular job done.In addition to her pre-engineered modules, she does a good job of procuring and stocking useful purchased items.Her appearance may appeal to some, it may be neutral to many, and discourage some, but I'd say any influence on her business is down in the noise. She's very successful because she has so well met the needs of a significant group of people. Her appearance has nothing to do with that.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 03:28:19 pm
content: Quote from: rolycat on June 04, 2015, 02:47:39 pmI didn't know that he also interviewed Horowitz. Link please.BTW, his hair is well researched:http://popdust.com/2014/09/19/donald-trump-hair-photos-mystery-transplant-combover-toupee/#slide1

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 03:34:38 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 04, 2015, 03:28:19 pmMy point precisely.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 03:45:15 pm
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on June 04, 2015, 03:09:45 pmYes absolutey. It is posts like this one that make me wish for a "Like" button!Quote from: rolycat on June 04, 2015, 03:34:38 pm@zapta walked right into that one!

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 03:53:56 pm
content: Blimey, this is getting silly. #ladyadagate trending on twitter. Soon to dwarf even #elevatorgate and #gamergate.Anyway, I didn't even know who Ladyada was before watching the interview. I actually thought she was a "token" maker employed by some corporatist to interview Horowitz in that style as it will suit their audience. It turns out she is very good at her game and is a businesswoman in her own right. I also now know of her and adafruit.But don't worry Jeri Ellsworth, I only have room in my heart for you

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 04:27:01 pm
content: Piercing for look is irrelevant to me but tell about a lot about "safety" mindset of a person especially in an industry that deal with electricity. Unless it is for religious reason, I do not see how wearing piercing is compatible with the industry (I am assuming that it is not a clip-on but penetration of fresh was made). Incidentally, someone I knew had a piercing at a ear, infected and almost lost the ear lope, of course that portion of fresh was disfigured.

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 04:43:41 pm
content: Quote from: all_repair on June 04, 2015, 04:27:01 pmBaseless assumptions are also not compatible with the industry. You can take out your piercings. Not everyone is working with high power or voltage where small bits of metal could short something out and hurt you. Ever wore a metal button or zipper or metal frame for your glasses while at the work bench? Same thing, is it not? And I don't know about you, but I rarely touch power-lines with my nose.

author: jancumps
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 04:46:00 pm
content: Quote from: all_repair on June 04, 2015, 04:27:01 pmHow does religion make a difference for what's safe in industry?

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 04:47:00 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on June 04, 2015, 03:45:15 pmI didn't know he is one of the reasonable ones. ;-)

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 04:58:13 pm
content: Quote from: jancumps on June 04, 2015, 04:46:00 pmYou are right. But it is for the religious bodies and the industries to reach a compromise.

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 05:07:52 pm
content: I woudn't want a compromise in safety standards for any religion. The same laws and regulations have to apply to everyone.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 05:12:28 pm
content: Quote from: all_repair on June 04, 2015, 04:58:13 pmWhich is exactly why the law in the US uses the legal term "reasonable accommodation".If either the employee or the employer become "unreasonable" then the courts sort it out.

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 05:33:51 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on June 04, 2015, 05:07:52 pmIt's not unusual for religions to mandate stupid behaviour on the part of their devotees, and governments wishing to appear 'sensitive' can and do make exemptions for them. For example, in the UK Sikhs wearing turbans are exempted from using hard hats at construction sites, and this will shortly be extended to all workplaces.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 05:37:45 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on June 04, 2015, 05:07:52 pmBut that's myfaith! You can't make me take safety precautions, my god's going to roast me in hell for eternity if I do that!!

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 05:48:08 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on June 04, 2015, 05:46:13 pm

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 06:52:16 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on June 04, 2015, 05:48:08 pmAh, but it's explicitlynotcriminal in the UK (and some other countries) - it's enshrined in law: employers and other individuals are liable "only to the extent that injury, loss or damage would have been sustained by the Sikh even if he had been wearing a hard hat".Proving that extent in court might be tricky, and it's interesting to note that a major PPE manufacturer had a Sikh wrap a typical load of hair (a lot) up in a turban and tested it in their facility. Blunt object trauma was actually less for the turbaned 'head' than with a standard EN397 hard hat. Sharp objects were another matter...

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 07:37:18 pm
content: Pink hair, Sikh bashing. This Horowitz thread is getting more and more focused.

author: jeroen74
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 09:08:08 pm
content: I enjoyed this video, the Sophie Wilson interview was a lot more cringeworthy.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 09:27:58 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 04, 2015, 07:37:18 pmI'm happy to know this forum is full of ADHD people like me, I don't feel alone anymore...

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 09:35:17 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 04, 2015, 07:37:18 pmYou feel that there is more to be usefully said about that interview?Allez-y

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 09:49:20 pm
content: More fodder for the Limor lovers and haters. Here's over an hour of discussion with the CEO of Sparkfun and the director of OSHA.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 09:59:21 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on June 04, 2015, 09:49:20 pmOh, a maker orgy! Do they do an Arduino bukkake in the final act?I'm a total n00b, but I had to "make" the joke

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 10:52:20 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on June 04, 2015, 09:49:20 pmDon't confuse criticism with hate.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 11:18:12 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on June 04, 2015, 09:49:20 pmNot an engineer in sight...

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2015, 11:25:38 pm
content: Quote from: Delta on June 04, 2015, 11:18:12 pmHmm, what's your definition of engineer? I believe both Limor and Nathan Seidle have EE degrees and run companies which develop and manufacture electronics.

author: Tallie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 03:57:30 am
content: Got a couple of pages in, skipped to the last page to see if people were still bitching about the interviewer, and we're talking about religion... wish I could say this was surprising.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 05:42:02 am
content: Quote from: Tallie on June 05, 2015, 03:57:30 amAGW is still in the pipeline but it's coming in next page.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 12:43:05 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 05, 2015, 05:42:02 amWhy not now?Did Dave travel the Agnew Airport? It's in Agnew, Queensland, Australia.Dave, please reply. I consider it the most important question of this forum thread.

author: rolycat
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 02:44:56 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on June 05, 2015, 12:43:05 pmThisisthe next page.QuoteZapta wasn't referring to Agnew Airport, you silly person.This is an electronics forum, so it was clearly in relation toAGW Electronics Ltd, makers of fine wound components and electronics assemblies.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 02:53:00 pm
content: Quote from: rolycat on June 05, 2015, 02:44:56 pmI doubt that those AGW toroids are man made. Probably by machines.;-)

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 03:28:45 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on June 04, 2015, 10:52:20 pmIs it OK to criticize hate or to hate confusion?Did anyone else get an impression or a memory of Bob Pease when Mr. Horowitz spoke? Both are known for their enthusiasm with educating people, although Mr. Horowitz made that his profession and Mr. Pease did so as a result of his work with National. There's something about their manner of speaking, or maybe their ability to explain or something.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 03:37:06 pm
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on June 05, 2015, 03:28:45 pmYes.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 05:51:03 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on June 05, 2015, 05:20:19 pmhttp://www.ti.com/ww/en/bobpease/index.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Pease

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 06:45:20 pm
content: Don't miss the many episodes on YouTube of the Bob Pease Show.

author: Tallie
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2015, 09:07:50 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on June 05, 2015, 06:45:20 pmThanks for posting...

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2015, 09:20:17 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 04, 2015, 02:53:43 pm

author: Grapsus
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 08:10:37 pm
content: Damn, did he actually offer the AoE watch to the person who spent an entire hour interrupting him and whereas having an EE degree seriously thought that satellite links were operating in the gigawatt power range ? Paul Horowitz is like Jesus.More seriously, it was a very interesting video, he has an incredible kindness and passion in his explanations that one can feel while reading TAoE.What a shame for his databook collection. It probably contained a lot of datasheets that aren't available on the web. It would have been valuable to cut and digitize them all before throwing away.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 09:08:43 pm
content: Quote from: Grapsus on June 09, 2015, 08:10:37 pmWell, I consider it an act of solidarity to educate peopleQuote from: Tallie on June 05, 2015, 09:07:50 pmCan I get all these episodes and his other videos? He's like a funny mad scientistElement14 did an interview to both AoE authors!http://www.element14.com/community/groups/stemacademy/blog/2015/06/05/a-conversation-with-the-authors-of-the-art-of-electronics?ICID=hp-roadtest-banMaybe sleep deprivation is driving be retarded. Did he mean x-chapters are going to be about basic stuff or about more advanced stuff (I did think the last one, but maybe my English reading comprehension is deteriorated right now)? Why not put them into Learning The Art of Electronics? This last book could be my favourite textbook for my vocational school if it covers everything from pcb etching, soldering techniques and all maths amazingly and funnily explained that are needed for a mathematically illiterate person like me to be useful in electronics

author: ErikTheNorwegian
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2022, 04:53:20 pm
content: Bumping this thread...An interview that should interest many today!

author: eugene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2022, 10:59:32 pm
content: One nice thing about this video is that it comes with seven pages of discussion already prepared. Saves us a lot of work.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 18, 2022, 11:02:31 am
content: Quote from: ErikTheNorwegian on March 17, 2022, 04:53:20 pmWhy is this being bumped today?

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 18, 2022, 01:51:30 pm
content: Had the pleasure of presenting a unique project idea to Dr Paul Horowitz and committee at the JASON Advisory Group as an invited guest, Paul was the chair of the committee at the time. The JASON committee evaluates projects based upon many factors (most can't be discussed openly) including technical viability. Paul is an ICON of the electronics world, and a pleasure to meet him, and have the opportunity to present.Fun to watch the interview and how Paul's book came about!!Edit: Should mention didn't see this entire interview until now, and agree that the constant interruption is somewhat annoying. With someone like Dr Horowitz, viewers want to listen to his uninterrupted comments and responses, he has such a vast wealth of experience and knowledge.BTW the project was approved and funded for development.Best,

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2022, 10:46:51 pm
content: Areed, I wish Professor Horowitz had been able to share the examples he seemed to want to go into..I realize that Limor mostly does stuff with digital electronics and so I understand itr but Professor Horowitz's going into the theory of diplexers, and so on. That was somethiing that I would have liked to hear.. Stuff like that is what makes RF fun and "cool" to my understanding..I really enjoyed the Ask an enginer discussion about open source hardware.. a subject that I think nurturing it is the key to our countries future economic success, as the days when peopole could take a small micro, emulate something complicated, espensive analog or electoromachanical with it and charge thousands of dollars for it are ending fast. I people think that IP law can be used to lock in insane high profits and business models that are parasitical, forever, getting higher and higher all the time, even in a pandemic, they are smoking something.. Due to the Uruguay Round negotiations and the TRIPS and TRIMS agreements, the concept of "intellectual property" has been promagulated as natural. But its totally a creature of lobbyists and lobbying. We did finbe before 1995. And medicines and patents were respected. What changed in 1995 wasnt good.was embedded in stone and the cost to many countries of that is much higher than the gains. Billions of dollars more in the case of Australia, according to Peter Drahos, who has written a lot about ahat he calls "infromation feudalism"IP rights and markets are traded for IP recognition. IP is a totally artificial creation.. and it didnt even exist in its current form until January 1, 1995. Notice thats when the price of drugs, here in the US, the prices for even old off patent drugs (which started to vanish from drugstores in favor of newer on patent drugs many of which were less safe and effective than the old drugs they replaced) the prices of the drugs people needed started to soar? This drove a huge explosion in medical costs leading ti a great many people not being able to afford health insurance and falling deeply into medical debt. Which closed the doors of the healthcare system to them. For many years the poorest countries, even, were being asked to pay huge prices for drugs such as the lifesaving HIV drgs that it turned out only cost pennies to manufacture..; (an award winning 2013 film, Fire in the Blood, tells the incredible story)Also the developed countries traded away jobs (which is only just beginning) to the developing countries in exchange for their recognition of the new IP insanity..They were promised they would make that money that they lose by recognizing IP back byproviding services globally.THis is not an efficient solution because it depends on sending workers to the other side of the world, in essence making people to trad places in order to lower their wages,But a new model exists now one that may be better.. The open source development model..Lets not forget that innovation due to open source tools is potentially a very big aid to a modern economy.Its possible now for a shmuck like me to become an electronics designer and manufacturer.. and a successful one..Thats just amazing.. Almost all of the big gains in business of the last two or three decades WAS IN BUSINESS ENABLED BY THE AVAILABILITY OF OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE TOOLS..Google, Apple, Facebook and amazon, all wouldnt exist if it was not for FOSS.. to name a few. Hardware can do similar things. All the basic tools of electronics shoulod be enabled by open source hardware and software tools and that investment will pay off big in creativity.Hardware that seems to embed the open ethic of maximum flexibility that donesn't try to lock people into a walled ecosystem or similar is where its at now.Contrast that to the practice of AT&T in the past of charging everybody in the country $24 a month to rent their telephone and not allowing anybody or anything else to connect to "their" network, That was what guys my age grew up with. Nooooo..There are people who want to push us back to that. Look at the agricultural equipment company that wants to make their tractrs a money machine for them whenever they need repair. Bet you everybody who buys one of them lives to regret that decision.We need a world of open agricultural equipment, that supports an active user community and facilitates low cost automation. people all around the world can use it to teach themselves a whole bunch of new skills. And save their family farms. The history of say, the British Empire in India is one where debt and food price manipulation led to a great many deaths and bankruptcies of families, almost by design. The way to prevent that is innovation that rewards people's efforts without requiring huge investments in hard currency farmers don't have.TPTB need to understand that there is another way and its one with a spectacular track record of solving technical problems fast and well.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2022, 01:13:06 am
content: That's an interesting video on IP rights.Believe the IP creator is entitled to a "reasonable" benefit from such, and should make the IP available to all for a "reasonable" fee, since they have to make the "investment" in effort, time and $ to create the IP. Agree, the "rewards" the pharmaceutical companies are getting for IP rights are generally outrageous, and hoarding such in sight of human suffering and death is criminal.The old Ma Bell may be an example of "gouging" customers with phone leases and such, but are a good example of making valuable IP (maybe the most valuable IP of all time) available to everyone. The transistor invented at Bell Labs was to be classified as a military asset. This was presented to US Congress, that the transistor should not become a sole military asset and should be made public, fortunately Congress sided with the inventors. Bell Labs made the transistor IP available to almost anyone for just a $25K unlimited license fee, and even provided assistance in fabricating early point contact transistors, of course the rest is history.Makes one wonder where we would be today if Congress had voted the other way and/or Bell Labs had wanted enormous licenses fees, thus limiting to a select few.Anyway, glad the transistor followed the path it has, but highly disappointed that later Bell Labs was essentially dissolved...but that's another story!!Best,Best,