New 1GHz Micsig MHO6 12-Bit 6GSa/s 8ch. Oscilloscope with 16" Screen - Page 1
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author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2024, 01:14:51 am
content: Details:https://www.micsig.com/MHO6/

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2024, 04:57:33 am
content: Hello,it will be interesting to see if a suitable PC software is finally released. And whether 4 * 6 Gpts/s and 4 * 1800 Mpts are meant.Best regardsegonotto

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2024, 05:19:46 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on August 19, 2024, 04:57:33 amI would guess memory and its sample rate are shared, between the 8 channels.Aint that usually Micsigs terminology for their scopes.Though, its a big fellow with 16" screen, and wickedly thin at just 3.5cm.Positive to see that they still use the verticalwide-formfactor 16:10 so you get more vertical depth for your 12-bit vertical resolution. (1920x1200) and not the media aspect of 16:9.IN Micsig's lower-end scope line, its 4:3 aspect ratio.Would have loved to see these modern high res 3:2 screens from laptops in Oscilliscopes, and scope vendors using quality screens from fx the Surface Book line, as it is a good IPS screen with vertical depth, but likely to high res at 3000x2000/3:2 (taxing to run all those pixels) but not even sure if its IPS or TFT (likely TFT) in these modern big-screen Micsig oscillioscopes as seen on your MHO3 (14"-1920x1200/16:10) and the coming MHO6-line (16" 1920x1200/16:10)

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2024, 10:01:58 pm
content: Hello,You can't rely on anything. For example, the Siglent SDS3000X HD has 2 * 4 Gpts/s but only 400 Mpts once.1800 Mpts distributed over 8 channels would still work. But you can't distribute 6 Gpts/s over 8 channels.The MHO3 has 2 * 3 Gpts/s and 2 * 360 Mpts.It would be nice if they made better use of the hardware.Best regardsegonotto

author: nctnico
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timestamp: August 20, 2024, 10:26:55 am
content: Interesting. I'm curious about pricing though.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2024, 05:35:07 pm
content: Hello,my guess is that the MHO6-3508 could be around €7000.Best regardsegonotto

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2024, 05:57:08 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on August 20, 2024, 05:35:07 pmThat seems rather high to me. The 4 channel version sells for around 3k euro.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2024, 09:27:19 pm
content: Hello,at Batronix, the MHO3-3504 costs € 3,568.81. The MHO6-3508 has twice the sampling rate and five times the memory. The R&S® MXO5-83 costs € 33,320.00.Best regardsegonotto

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2024, 09:40:23 pm
content: With all due respect to Micsig, but I don't think you can put that into perspective, and not just in terms of price.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2024, 10:03:14 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 20, 2024, 09:40:23 pmHello,depends on what you want to do with the device. If you want to do sophisticated analyses with the device, the Micsig is probably out of the question. However, if the basic functions are sufficient, the Micsig has the edge. (If my assumptions of 4 * 6 Gpts/s and 4 * 1800 Mpts are correct).Best regardsegonotto

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2024, 10:49:31 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on August 20, 2024, 10:03:14 pmI doubt the latter. Don't be surprised the memory depth and samplerate are shared across 4 channels. But I'm 100% sure you'll get half the memory and half the samplerate with all channels enabled. Still, having 8 channels is an interesting option for digital work as you'll have enough channels to not need an MSO feature. Only probing will become a bit bulky though.

author: DaneLaw
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timestamp: August 23, 2024, 03:30:15 am
content: Could look like the UI differs a bit from the MHO3 series.?

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2024, 04:01:12 am
content: Hello,yes, there are now probably two math channels and two reference channels. The previous menu on the right would probably be too cumbersome.The naming has also changed somewhat.MHO3-3504 and MHO68-350.Will there ever be an MHO64-350?Best regardsegonotto

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2024, 05:11:47 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on August 23, 2024, 04:01:12 amHow many saved/reference channels can you have visualized on your MHO3 at the same time?

author: electr_peter
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2024, 07:33:30 pm
content: Big screen and very slim form factor - what happens if it falls on it's face?

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2024, 07:49:08 pm
content: Does it supports to run SDR receiver on it with spectrum waterfall?

author: maxwell3e10
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timestamp: August 23, 2024, 09:22:43 pm
content: It would be nice to have a new reasonably-priced 8-channel scope, even an 8-bit one. I've been using Yokogawa DL7480, it works pretty well for a fairly old model and is not too expensive.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2024, 09:57:49 pm
content: Quote from: DaneLaw on August 23, 2024, 05:11:47 pmHello,four: " the reference waveform is displayed in blue-violet, and the four stored waveforms can bedisplayed simultaneously"Best regardsegonotto

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2024, 10:41:09 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on August 23, 2024, 09:57:49 pmYep, it's the same as on the older entryline Micsig scope.Used it when comparing different FFT/windowing variants and where they differed.

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2024, 10:21:14 pm
content: European prices MHO6350MHz = 5999€500MHz = 7999€1GHz = 9999€+ VAThttps://evision-webshop.de/search?search=MHO6

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 14, 2024, 11:38:51 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 20, 2024, 05:57:08 pmHello,at evision they have the Micsig MHO68-350 12 Bit for 7.138,81 € including tax.Delivery time: 1-2 weeksBest regardsegonottoPS: could it be that the MHO6 no longer has a trigger out?

author: hpw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2024, 02:33:34 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on September 14, 2024, 11:38:51 pmAs currently no detailed spec's seen/given as maximal FFT size. Even whether if d/dt math function is included.Hp

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2024, 11:00:02 pm
content: Hello,the noise is like the MHO3 with <80 mV. That would be very good for 1 GHz.The internal memory should also be 32 GB like the MHO3. But that is very tight, because the MHO6 can probably store ten times more data.Best regardsegonotto

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 12:08:38 am
content: Hello,The prices of the Micsig MHO6 have risen dramatically:from:350MHz = 5999€ now 7999 €500MHz = 7999€ now 13999 €1GHz = 9999€ now 17999 €+ VATBest regardsegonotto

author: Simmed
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2024, 12:23:29 am
content: wow the price jump

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2024, 02:36:19 pm
content: Hello,unfortunately, I still can't find a data sheet. So it's not clear to me what you get for all that money.Best regardsegonotto

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2024, 04:43:56 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on November 05, 2024, 02:36:19 pmIt is probably best to wait for the datasheet and devices you can actually buy to arrive before looking at the definitive prices.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2024, 10:02:58 pm
content: Hello,now the prices are very confusing.Athttps://micsig-technology.eu/oscilloscopes/bench-oscilloscopes/mho6-oscilloscope-series/mho68-1000-12-bit-oscilloscope-/mho68-350the MHO68-350 without VAT costs 13999 € with VAT 9518.81 €.It is the same athttps://evision-webshop.eu/micsig/mho68-1000-12-bit-oscilloscope-5ea5e63cc1f34910aa399f95bbe94e70So you can finally be happy about a tax.Best regardsegonottoPS: I still haven't found a datasheet.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2024, 04:07:46 am
content: Hello,the prices have changed againfrom:350MHz = 5999€ then 7999 € now 13999 €500MHz = 7999€ then 13999 € now 15999 €1GHz = 9999€ then 17999 € still 17999 €+ VATI have not yet found a data sheet.Best regardsegonotto

author: rbe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 31, 2024, 10:43:11 am
content: Is there any particular reason as to why this happened?

author: parawizard
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2025, 09:20:49 pm
content: I thought these looked interesting but then the prices look insane.

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2025, 10:29:08 pm
content: Yes, the prices seem to get quite a kick to the groin on scopes with more than the standard 4 channels.Not many listings in China, and both of these newer model-series MHO1 and MHO6 (8ch) are not listed yet on Micsig's own domestic third-party stores.There is a listing for a MHO6-500 on another CN sale platform, but none in stock..There MHO6-500 is listed at 115.000CNY (15.835$) so quite close to egonotto's price-list of 15.999€ (+VAT).

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2025, 10:49:09 pm
content: Hello,evision-webshop.de says delivery time: 1-2 week and the Micsig MHO68-350 costs with VAT 9.518,81 € and without VAT 13.999,00 €.This error indicates that no devices have been sold yet.Best regardsegonotto

author: DaneLaw
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timestamp: January 17, 2025, 08:02:53 pm
content: MHO6 datasheet.From Chinese, as still not available on Micsig com.*Attached.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2025, 11:12:03 pm
content: Hello,I had thought that they had 4 ADC. But they only have 2 ADC with 6 Gpts/s each and 2 times 1.8 Gpts.The noise at 1 mV/div is also not particularly low at 142 uV rms.But they have 256 GB of internal memory.Best regardsegonotto

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 02:01:27 pm
content: An introduction video from a month back in English.European prices.11k to 17k € + VAT.https://eleshop.eu/catalogsearch/result/?q=MHO68US Prices (Saelig)https://www.saelig.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=SOS&Screen=SRCH&Search=MHO68&manufacturers=&category=Screendump Attached, as it will likely change, obviously not viable in the long run.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 03:31:47 pm
content: Hello,The changes in prices are adventurous.MHO68-350: First 5999 € then 7999 € than 13999 € now 10999 €+VAT.Best regardsegonotto

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 03:55:24 pm
content: QuoteAbsolutely crazy, they might as well just write, “Forget it...”

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 04:12:53 pm
content: Hello,what does Micsig have against BNC? What connection is that on the back of the MHO6 devices? Are they F sockets?Best regards

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 04:30:00 pm
content: We want to swim against the tide...Maybe that.Yes, they look like ordinary F connectors or sockets. Someone who has mothballed their satellite system can finally use the connectors again.

author: electr_peter
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 04:41:07 pm
content: At first I thought long SMA connector, but F connector is more likely. I not a fan of custom connectors on Micsig (which they changed at least one time IIRC). At least more basic MHO1 retains regular BNCs.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 05:22:01 pm
content: Quote from: electr_peter on May 07, 2025, 04:41:07 pmMy bet would still be SMA as an F connector would be an extremely outlandisch choice. We could be looking at a 3D rendered or heavily edited picture/video here. Again, I'd suggest to way until there is a decent specification / datasheet available which also lists the connector types and signal levels.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 06:20:03 pm
content: There isn't even a data sheet on the Micsig website yet, but at least the SCPI Programming Guide is available.

author: electr_peter
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 06:28:37 pm
content: You can order scope, but cannot get a datasheet yet. Renderings and video shows functioning scope, maybe it has to "cook in the oven" for more time before final release.

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 07:57:46 pm
content: Hello,DaneLow has linked a data sheet on 17.1.2025. According to this, there are 2 ADCs with 6 GS/s and 1.8 GS memory each. Therefore 1 GHz bandwidth is only possible with 4 channels.Hopefully there will soon be a good program for the PC to control the MHO3 oh I mean MHO6.Best regardsegonotto

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 07:58:57 pm
content: Quote from: egonotto on May 07, 2025, 07:57:46 pmThat document is not a datasheetIt is a product flyer at most

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2025, 08:04:53 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on May 07, 2025, 06:20:03 pmFor the last ½ year, there has been an MHO68 datasheet on their regional site.https://tinyurl.com/24bsdym8There is a English translated version in post #33The SCPI is the same across their portfolio of scopes as far as I recall, so its simply that version that is posted..It ain't specific to MHO68 or even highlights MHO68 as it's a SCPI manual dated before the release of MHO68.https://www.micsig.com/uploads/Micsig-Oscilloscope-SCPI-Command-Manual-EN-2024.5.21_1716272598.pdf