I'm on Wikipedia - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 01, 2015, 11:17:25 pm
content: It seems someone put me up on Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_L._JonesBeen there since October but first I've heard of it.I've heard that people have tried a few times before but it's been removed, so no idea how they snuck me through this time.I guess it needs some "secondary or tertiary sources" to stay around?

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2015, 11:26:15 pm
content: Someone please edit it to include a reference to Dave's hobby of cross-dressing.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 01, 2015, 11:32:08 pm
content: Quote from: george graves on January 01, 2015, 11:26:15 pmYes, I can just picture it when the haters get a hold of it

author: Artlav
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2015, 11:36:05 pm
content: Well, how do you feel?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 01, 2015, 11:36:19 pm
content: BTW< the person who pointed me to this wanted to know if it's possible to have a complete list of episodes on Wikipedia. I doubt it would be allowed.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2015, 11:59:47 pm
content: A listing of episodes is allowed on wikipedia.Lots of TV shows have them.But they are not put on the main wiki page for the TV show.They're on a separate page titled in the format.."List of <showname> episodes"You then link to that page from the main wiki page.I guess its to keep the main page free from pages and pages of stuff.eghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sanctuary_episodes

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 02, 2015, 12:05:22 am
content: Quote from: Psi on January 01, 2015, 11:59:47 pmYeah, but I was referring to to the importance of it. I've seen other list pages get removed because of that.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2015, 12:24:31 am
content: It's all about the references. We need to build them up.They are much less likely to remove stuff when they see it linking to already existing pages.Now that there's a David L. Jones wiki page we have more options to get other things added.Next step maybe getting you added herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_YouTube_personalitiesI'm trying to find my old login for Wikipedia but am having trouble remembering it.Creating a new account, then adding stuff, usually gets it deleted real fast.If anyone else has an account and wants to try then here's some links to use for the references down the bottomhttp://hackaday.com/tag/dave-jones/http://www.eeweb.com/spotlight/interview-with-david-l.-joneshttp://www.extech.com/instruments/press.asp?pressid=06072010With a main page, and an entry on the YouTube_personalities page, an episode list page will have a few things to link to and will be more likely to stick.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 02, 2015, 12:32:35 am
content: Quote from: Psi on January 02, 2015, 12:24:31 amChris and I have always wanted an Amp Hour page, so maybe that might be possible in the future now.QuoteI have this talk if that helps:and a photo here that is creative commons attribution:https://www.flickr.com/photos/eevblog/14121700995/in/set-72157644489434056

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2015, 12:34:46 am
content: We could also try adding a bit to the Extech_Instruments page about the eevblog multimeter shootout they have reference on their website.But i'm not sure how appropriate it is.Could try adding something to hackaday wikipedia page.But again, it needs to seem legit.If we can find any reference on news pages to any hackaday stuff featuring eevblog videos then we can definitely add that, they have a section on their page for it.The more pages we can get with eevblog legitimately referenced the better.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 02, 2015, 12:48:05 am
content: Quote from: Psi on January 02, 2015, 12:34:46 amI was a judge in the Hackaday contest:http://hackaday.com/2014/07/01/judge-spotlight-dave-jones/

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2015, 01:19:25 am
content: Worth a try.Still looking for my wikipedia login info.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 02, 2015, 02:01:06 am
content: and I wouldn't want to get confused with any other David Jones'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Jones

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2015, 05:54:11 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 02, 2015, 02:01:06 amWhen I see that page I can only agree it was a smart idea to name your son Sagan

author: nadona
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2015, 09:25:44 pm
content: It's a bit late but congratulations!

author: bbogita
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2015, 04:06:42 pm
content: I went ahead and added the Hackaday page Dave posted, and mentioned him being a judge in their contest. The page looks alright, but we need someone to come in and format the main body paragraph. Every time Dave does something notable we can't just slap a sentence about it into the middle of the wiki main paragraph. (Yeah, I realize thats what I just did) I would suggest someone break down the page into an about section, talking about who Dave is, and then have a separate sections talking about Dave's accomplishments, video list, etc.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2015, 11:43:27 pm
content: You may want to list the FLUKE literature about meter ruggedness where Dave's video (#66) is linked to:http://en-us.fluke.com/community/fluke-news-plus/how-robust-is-your-handheld-meter.html

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2015, 11:49:05 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on January 03, 2015, 11:43:27 pmWhere? I couldn't find a link to Dave's video on that page.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2015, 11:52:41 pm
content: The last word is the link:

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 12:59:53 am
content: Nice. I'm on Wikipedia, too, at least one of my projects, and I didn't create the page either:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_PlayerBut the page is flagged that it has some issues, let's see how long it lastsLua Player is nearly dead anyway now. Maybe time to port it to the smartphone world, no one uses the PSP anymore.When someone notified me that the page exists, I removed some spam and fixed some minor bugs from time to time (you can create a "watchlist" of Wikipedia pages to see changes, if you are registered at Wikipedia). So Dave, I think it is ok if you edit your own Wikipedia page, if you follow theWikipedia policies and guidelines.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 01:49:35 am
content: Personal biographical Wikipedia pages usually have a consistent format with an about box and photo on the right side. It doesn't look like it's a proper page unless it has those.I think as it's currently formatted and with the lack of info it does still stand a change of being deleted for being incomplete/insufficient info?So wouldn't surprise me if it vanishes again at this point.Of course The Amp Hour should be mentioned.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 01:52:25 am
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on January 04, 2015, 12:59:53 amIt's very much frowned upon due to conflict of interest:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Writing_about_yourself_and_your_workSure fire way to get the page deleted.I've added a photo to Wikimedia, just say'n[[File:David L Jones in his garage lab.jpg|thumb|David L Jones in his garage lab]]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:David_L_Jones_in_his_garage_lab.jpg

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 02:16:41 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 04, 2015, 01:52:25 amBut it says you can correct errors. I think it is a serious error that it doesn't look like other biographical Wikipedia pages with an image of you. And looks like other people edit their personal pages heavily, see for example the beginning in therevision historyof the article about the lead engineer of the C128.A short list of your products would be useful, too. For example the uCurrent is well known and worth mentioning. And it solves a problem of many other amperemeters and you can even link to the relevant Wikipedia articles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimeter#Burden_voltage).

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 02:22:02 am
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on January 04, 2015, 02:16:41 amYes, technically I can correct errors or remove unreferenced material. e.g. someone added "and self confessed "dork"" without any reference which of course doesn't belong in a Wikpedia biography page.QuoteYes, if it stays like it is, I'm pretty sure it does risk deletion, as has happened before when people have done one.In fact there isn't one correctly referenced link in there. There are supposed to be reference numbers next to the text where appropriate.I'm surprised the page didn't get quickly deleted, the biography wikinazis must be sleeping

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 05:21:46 am
content: fixed

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 07:51:31 am
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on January 04, 2015, 05:21:46 amI think it should stay now, and will likely be prime target for the haters which should be hilarious

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 09:29:56 am
content: QuoteI'm still waiting for EEVblog #666. O0So technically we're stll at 698 episodes?

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 12:23:37 pm
content: Quote from: hans on January 04, 2015, 09:29:56 amInteresting, I didn't noticed this. So 699 is 0.14% off. Would be still good enough for a cheap multimeter

author: electrophiliate
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 12:31:05 pm
content: The following Wikipedia policy and guideline appear to be of particular importance here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_personshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)

author: bbogita
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2015, 02:28:51 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on January 03, 2015, 11:43:27 pmDone! I added some stuff about Flukes news article on the wikipedia page. I still think the formatting of the page content (chronological order?) needs work, but hey it sure does look better than when we started it

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 08:21:43 am
content: Hi... (long time eevblog watcher, newbie forum member.) sorry for resurrecting a months-old thread, but it's the same topic.Someone has nominated Dave's WP article for deletion! The reason given is "No reliable sources mention this person at all."If you're already familiar with WP policies re notability and reliable sources, by all means, please contribute to the deletion discussionhere.If not, please first read WP's policy pages onnotabilityandreliable sourcesfirst. The section onContributing to deletion discussionswill also be very helpful.Please be aware that it is not a vote, and posts of "I like eevblog" will not help; in fact a flood of anonymous or new editors posting "I like eevblog" or similar will likely hurt. Deletion either happens, or does not, based on the validity of arguments that appeal to Wikipedia policy. The relevant policy here is that article subjects must be "notable", per WP's definition of notable.What is needed is a longer list of reliable sources that mention Dave.Looking over Dave's bio, the first thing that comes to mind would be more details on all of his magazine articles. These would be added to the article as references. I did find details on his first article, the digital storage scope adapter for PCs, and I'll be adding that to the article shortly. The Circuit Cellar interview will also be good, esp since Circuit Cellar is an in-print magazine.In short: Please help, but within WP's rules and expectations. Thanks.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 08:33:02 am
content: Thanks, I had no idea, I don't follow the page.Does it help if my profile is linked in more places? e.g. the town I'm from, list of youtube celebrities or something?

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 08:49:05 am
content: Why, hi, Dave! Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.Putting you in the "list of youtube celebrities" should have happened eons ago. I'm going to sleep now (I'm in UTC-8) but I'll do that tomorrow.The most important thing would be references to eevblog or to you personally in "reliable sources", preferably print sources. As I said the Circuit Cellar article will help (I'll do that tomorrow as well). The bibilographic list of magazine articles you wrote will be good, but if any other of those magazines (or any other print media) wroteaboutyou or eevblog, that's better.This list of articles originally published in EA appears to be no longer online:http://www.siliconchip.com.au/files/ea_proj.txtIt's not at archive.org either. Does anyone have an updated link?The trouble with online sources is of course that anybody can create a web site. Some web sitesareconsidered RSs: an article at Ars Technica probably would be, as they do that editorial oversight thing, but a forum post there would not. It usually takes some arguing to get articles at web sites accepted as RSs. But an in-print magazine, newspaper, etc., or radio or TV coverage, is automatically considered a RS. Maybe a bit unfair in this day and age, but there it is.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:01:27 am
content: Might this arcticle by Dave count?http://www.alternatezone.com/electronics/files/PCBDesignTutorialRevA.pdfOriginally appeared in Silicon Chip magazine Oct-Dec 2003 as stated here:http://www.alternatezone.com/electronics/pcbdesign.htm

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:11:29 am
content: Yes, but it would help more if it was mentioned in a list of articles that is on a site controlled by Silicon Chip mag. As it is it can be considered "self-published".

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:19:25 am
content: Nice link tautech, I just went on a journey around Altzone and found this line," I'm rarely online these day's so dont bother "How times change, I found it amusing, no offence intended.Muttley

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:26:19 am
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 10, 2015, 09:11:29 amWe'd all better get looking then.......

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:32:37 am
content: Oh, I'll add the PCB design article reference (tomorrow) as it is, without mentioning the web site. In fact I think I'll convert the ref on the DSOA project to just a publication reference, again omitting the web site, again since the web site could be construed as self-published. Funny thing but a claim of print publication doesn't really need anything else to back it up (difficulty of finding a source doesn't affect "reliability").

author: Blofeld
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:36:00 am
content: Years ago I made a review of this forum on my site. I don't know what Wikipedia considers a reliable source, only thing I can say is that my site is not associated with Dave in any way (and this should be obvious when browsing through it), so there is no conflict of interest. So if anybody has experience with writing Wikipedia articles, you might check if you can use this link in any way:http://www.wisewarthog.com/electronics/review-of-eevblog-forum.htmlEDIT: I just read this on Wikipedia (bold print by me), so I guess linking to my site won't help, sorry."Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters,personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable."

author: Asmyldof
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:42:10 am
content: Hey Dave,If I'm misremembering, please forgive me, but weren't some of your designs also published in Elektor? That's a print medium with an on-line archive that's linkable if you remember some publishing dates.Don't know if that'll help, but it might.Best of luck staying on Wikipedia,Robert!

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:47:55 am
content: What about Dave's book "The art of internet dating" is that referenced anywhere online that would be considered a reliable source?It's on amazon as a kindle book!http://www.amazon.com/The-Internet-Dating-David-Jones-ebook/dp/B004MDLVAO

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:55:45 am
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 10, 2015, 09:11:29 amIf it helps, Target 3001 used the PCB design tutorial as part of their instructional material.And quite a few universities and schools are using it as course material.A list of some of my articles (the ones I can recall):Software Scientific Calculator - Electronics Australia May 1992 (review by Peter Murtagh)Low Cost DSO Adapter for PC's - Electronics Australia Feb 1993 (Reprinted in Electronic Test Gear Volume III)Mk2 Digital Storage Osciloscope Adapter Software May 1994 (by Jim Rowe)Hardware Screen Saver - Electronics Australia June 1994EPROM Programmer Software - Electronics Australia Nov 1994 (review by Glenn Pure)20MHz Function Generator - Electronics Australia Aug 1996PC Based 32CH Logic Analyser - Electronics Australia 1996Mk3 Digital Storage Oscilloscope Adapter - Electronics Australia Oct 1998Video Clock/Message Generator - Electronics Australia Aug 1999Video Title Generator - Electronics Australia Oct 1999Frequency Counter Module - Silicon Chip Aug 2001uCurrent Multimeter Adapter - Silicon Chip Apr 2009 (reprinted in Everyday Practical Electronics May 2011)I was also featured as one of 21 Influential Makers in the book Makers At Work: Folks Reinventing the World One Object or Idea at a Timehttps://books.google.com.au/books?id=LXjiAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA229&dq=makers+at+work+dave+jones&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LiZPVeazJMbm8AX574DQAg&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=makers%20at%20work%20dave%20jones&f=falseThat's certainly a solid reference.My uWatch project was featured in Make Magazine Volume 15 in 2008http://www.make-digital.com/make/vol15/?pg=22#pg22And yes, the April 2012 Issue 261 of Circuit Cellar article on me "Electronics Engineering for the people"

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:56:44 am
content: and one of the judges for the Hack A Day prize:https://hackaday.io/prize/judges

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:00:00 am
content: Quote from: Psi on May 10, 2015, 09:47:55 amThere were a few reviews, but I think they are long gone off the interwebs. Some were in magazines and newspapers that didn't have an online presence 15 years ago.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:08:27 am
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 10, 2015, 09:32:37 amThe PCB Design Tutorial first published in Silicon Chip Magazine Oct-Dec 2003, it's only much later did I release it in PDF form on the website.Also another article:Solar Sponge Solar Air Heater - Renew magazine Issue 94

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:23:37 am
content: I've added a reference to a well known German publisher, who wrote about the uCurrent, and the Hackaday judge reference.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:23:48 am
content: I was also profiled in the special 25th anniversary edition of Circuit CellarAlso, no mention of controversial stuff I'm known for like- debunking solar roadways, free energy overunity, audiophools, and dodgy kickstarters- Getting big manufacturers to respond to product criticism e.g. Microchip and their CEO, Fluke, Agilent, Extech meter blowing up etc.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:38:44 am
content: Yeah, the microchip response to the PICkit3 should be added to the page.Microchip should be considered a reliable source and they posted their response video on their official "Microchip technology" youtube channel.They had the 4th biggest worldwide market share in microcontrollers in 2012. Not sure what it is at now.

author: funfairEE
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 10:49:45 am
content: "in 2011 he bec?me the first full-time YouTube engineering blogger" - this should be removed, to hard to prove even if changed to electronics engineering.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 11:01:42 am
content: I've added the Microchip videos. I wrote "he is always very straightforward", don't know how to say on Wikipedia that Dave always says "bullshit!", if something is indeed bullshitDid they finally fixed the issues? Last time I tried PICkit3, it was still less usable than PICkit2, needed downloads to flash different PIC microcontrollers. And PICkit2 doesn't work anymore with some new chips in MPLAB X, like the PIC32MX220F032B. The open source program pic32prog can still flash this chip with a PICkit2, so it is not a hardware limitation.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 11:57:46 am
content: You would need to do something outrageous to stay on Wikipedia. I don't know, ...like hitting the Dutch prime minister in the face with a cream pie for subsidizing solar roadways..

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 01:54:36 pm
content: I'd love to respond to this DreamFocus guy, but I can't exactly get involved:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_L._JonesQuoteHe obviously doesn't know about:When I threw an Extech meter on the ground and stomped on it and exposed it for trying to kill me.When I exposed Fluke's longest and best selling multimeter as having a crippling fault.But I can see the analness of it, I don't know how my wikipedia page got approved in the first place, it certainly doesn't make me out to be all that noteworthy, unless you are in the industry.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 02:18:33 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 10, 2015, 01:54:36 pmI agree with him entirely. Not a single one of those is a good source. If you tried to write some academic report or some such and cited those you'd just be laughed at.

author: Blofeld
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 04:05:59 pm
content: Quote from: FrankBuss on May 10, 2015, 10:23:37 amHere is another one about the uCurrent (in English):http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/break-points/4406380/The--CurrentDon't know if Wikipedia accepts embedded.com as a reliable source, but to me this here sounds as if they are:http://www.embedded.com/editorial-contributions

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 04:11:00 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on January 01, 2015, 11:32:08 pmThey could include a picture from the video where someone from China sent you some women's under-clothes.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 04:19:32 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 10, 2015, 01:54:36 pmI think you can get involved to clarify things, with a link to your EEVblog video where you didn't give Fluke a good review. I don't know why this DreamFocus guy thinks you are not notable. Just your 742 mostly high quality videos of teardowns, fundamental fridays, reviews etc. would make you notable. Many people in the electronics industry knows you and appreciates your forum and videos.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 04:54:54 pm
content: Just let them delete it ... wikipedia is only ever interesting as a quick technical reference with links.If you really want to have the page stay start with the Circuitcellar interview, dead paper excites wikipedians (they have an irrational inferiority complex about being online). If there are any dead paper reviews of his book throw them in there as well (or hell, make some up ... waste some delitionist's time by sending him to go through paper archives of some two bit Australian local paper).

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 06:42:44 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on May 10, 2015, 11:57:46 amI'd pay to watch that.

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 06:47:49 pm
content: Quote from: funfairEE on May 10, 2015, 10:49:45 amWe don't have to "prove" it. We just have to find a RS that says it.

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 06:52:33 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 10, 2015, 10:23:48 amI'm going to get the Circuit Cellar interview in there.Your own videos are sufficient references for the claim that "in video n, Dave claims x, y, and z". I'll be doing a few of those too. I have some other urgent work to do in the next two days, but there is no huge hurry - most deletion discussions go on for at least a week.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 07:41:31 pm
content: QuoteI am still wondering.For example:click on #5 on this for the episodes[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory(First time I have seen a warning that there was too much information)I would like the episodes listed or sorted by subject, for example all the ones about oscopes would be listed in one area.I am sure there would be volunteers (including myself) to help if someone can get us started.BUT maybe this is more important-->How to vote on this ? -->[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_L._Jones]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_L._JonesIt looks like Dave needs help to keep this up. Maybe a new call for help from Dave is needed.??I would think by just looking at the page helps.

author: Blofeld
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 08:41:37 pm
content: This article from the EE Times might help (the EE Times once was available in print):Social media and engineers: Live with it, OK?http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?doc_id=1284959...It's no longer a question; it's a fact, so get used to it:Engineers are social and they are embracing social media.Think aboutTodd Sierer’s excellent adventures at An Engineering Mind, courtesy of National Instruments (he's now moved to Edmund Optics)Chris Gammell’s Amp Hour radio programDave Jones’ EEVblog.Jeri Ellsworth’s wildly entertaining and informative videos.

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 09:43:35 pm
content: EEtimes mention: YES!

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 11:18:43 pm
content: Rightly or wrongly, I fear there are a lot of self-appointed editors and pedants on Wikipedia with far too much time on their hands, like this one for examplehttp://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/wikipedia-editor-has-made-some-47000-corrections-to-online-database-10024355.html

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 11:20:16 pm
content: Another one:I was a celebrity guest judge in the Renesas Design Contest:They can't dispute that one when I'm announced on state in front of 1000 peers by one of the biggest semiconductor companies.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 11:25:06 pm
content: Quote from: Marco on May 10, 2015, 04:54:54 pmThis is why I think it's vital to put in the Maker's at Work book link, and the Circuit Cellar 25th anniversary link.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 11:30:11 pm
content: Quote from: ez24 on May 10, 2015, 07:41:31 pmSo far there are 4 "keep" votes, and two "delete" votes. Does it just work on votes?This DreamFocus person seems a bit obsessed with having it deleted, and I suspect will probably succeed unless real references are added. In that case I don't it's a case of just voting.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2015, 11:34:00 pm
content: Forget it Dave, just invest in a fat arse, boob job and botox and you too could enjoy the publicity machine enjoyed by the likes of workshy and erstwhile publticity-shyte Kim Kardashian, famed for, er, well, a fat arse and several other assorted augmentations, and trout lips.

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 04:51:52 am
content: If Dave gets a boob job I'm going to have to stop watching his videos. Just sayin'.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 04:53:16 am
content: Looks like other one has jumped on board,??YO, who is keen on deleting it.

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 04:56:36 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 10, 2015, 11:25:06 pmIs the "CC 25th anniversary link" different from the interview that they published in April 2012?Never mind, I figured this out.I added the link to the interview, plus the one from EEtimes, changed the DSOA ref to refer to the print publication (what was the exact title from the magazine?). I also did a bit of work on the article's flow.I was unaware of theMakers at Workbook. I have grabbed the Kindle edition and will add that info probably tomorrow or Tuesday (UTC-8).

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 05:04:05 am
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 11, 2015, 04:56:36 amNo need for the kindle edition, you can link directly to the Google Books version here:https://books.google.com.au/books?id=LXjiAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA229&dq=makers+at+work+dave+jones&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LiZPVeazJMbm8AX574DQAg&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=makers%20at%20work%20dave%20jones&f=falseHopefully this should be enough to shut them up because it is a properly published book highlighting me as being one of the well known leaders in the Maker community.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 05:05:51 am
content: There is also this highlight Hack A Day did on me:http://hackaday.com/2014/07/01/judge-spotlight-dave-jones/

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 05:15:40 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 10, 2015, 11:30:11 pmNo. It doesn't matter how many "I like it" votes there are. It works on appeals to WP policy. The policy in question here is that "notability" has to be established by multiple references to the article subject in reliable sources, which means not self-published and, per whats-his-name, not a press release.I think with the sources just added plus two more in the queue we will be on solid ground there, then we can get back to real work and fun.I would add those tonight, but frankly, dealing with WP's citation templates is more frustrating than reading someone else'sAPLcode. (If you've never dealt withAPL, feel free to mentally substitute "Sanskrit" or "Egyptian hieroglyphics".) And I've had all of that I can stand for one eveningAfter we've cleared this hurdle I'll link to specific videos like your Solar Roadways debunk and the others you mentioned. We can't make a claim that you're "well known for..." unless (again) there is mention of such by someone else - but we can claim that you said something with your own video as proof.Like you I like to "share the wealth" of knowledge and to that end I've done a little bit of editing on WP in a variety of tech areas. It took me quite a while to get used to the WP way of doing things. They have a "Wikipedia: The Missing Manual" for editors - it is about 100 pages! "Sheesh, writing for WP is a lot of work!" Yeah, it's not like dashing off a blog post on your own blog; it isn't supposed to be. The rules can be annoying but in the main they do make for a better online resource.

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 05:19:55 am
content: btw, if you have a bibliography of your magazine articles, or maybe just of the most significant ones, we could add the most important. Good bibliographic entries would include the publication name, the company that published it and their location, date of pub, article title, author(s) in case there were co-authors, and at least the starting page number. The "archive" text that you've set up e.g. for DSOA is good but not enough by itself - by itself it falls to the "self-published" attack.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 05:22:26 am
content: To answer the Dream question:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_L._JonesQuoteNan is a Circuit Cellar staffer, it wasn't a random thing, or a submitted thing, I was approached by the C.J.Abate the Editor-in-Chief of Circuit Cellar to do a profile on me because I was the leading industry blogger. Nan conducted the interview.This was a real article published in a real magazine that has been going for decades. The online blog copy of it is just a partial posting of the full print article.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 05:24:45 am
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 11, 2015, 05:19:55 amI published a list of some of my articles a few pages back.They are not available online, just in-print in the old magazine pre the interwebs.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 05:31:59 am
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 11, 2015, 05:15:40 amThe Makers At Work book should be a good enough cite.QuoteI just copy and paste another one and change the info.QuoteYes, certainly not "well known for", that's a claim and "they" will want cites for that.Something like that can be added as general commentary on what styles of video I do though I believe. I've seen that on many other pages.I'm currently linked on the Solar Roadways Wiki page, and this DreamFocus person in question even edited that page to remove other criticisms of the project, but left mine intact, so must think it's credible.QuoteYes, I agree, that's why I'm surprised my page even got up. It's been tried a few times before and very promptly deleted. Guess it snuck under the radar this time.All it takes is one person like this Dream Focus person to flag it and that's it.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 05:34:51 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 11, 2015, 05:31:59 amInterestingly I'm not linked on the SolaRoad wikipage:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SolaRoadBeside this issue of my page, I think that page needs a criticism section too, because I think I did a thorough debunking of that one using their own prototype result numbers.

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 07:23:46 am
content: I agree. Once we have your article on solid ground we'll get to these other points.Added the book reference. That's it for me for tonight!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 07:26:49 am
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 11, 2015, 07:23:46 amAwesome, thanks!This whole Wikipedia things started because someone wanted a categorised list of episodes on Wikipedia. Even with a wikipedia for the blog/me, I still think that's unlikely to past master on Wikipedia though?

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 07:41:24 am
content: Would Dave's Tshirt designs be of any use as references. If we can find pictures of others wearing them them at official events or something?Or a video clip of someone notable saying something like "dont turn it on, take it apart as Dave would say" I'm sure i've heard someone else say that in a electronic related video.

author: Blofeld
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 07:42:51 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 11, 2015, 05:22:26 amAlso from this DreamFocus guy:"eetimes mentioned his name with others.  This is not "significant coverage" as required by the notability guidelines."So he seems to accept eetimes as a reliable source, but is bitching because the article is not focussed on Dave. So maybe add this one from the eetimes about the uCurrent?The well-engineered µCurrent (by Jack Ganssle)http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=69&doc_id=1286994....One nifty tool is the µCurrent from EEVblog's Dave Jones. It's a very simple circuit adapter consisting of not much more than a selectable set of shunt resistors and an op amp. You could cobble up your own design in no time, but the µCurrent is inexpensive and well-engineered.

author: Biff383
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 08:39:57 am
content: Ben Heck has a page, is he notable? We can prove that he talked about Dave.

author: JJalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 10:07:22 am
content: Excuse my ignorance, but why does all this really matter?BR Jonas

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 10:48:17 am
content: Quote from: Psi on May 11, 2015, 07:41:24 amNope, none of that stuff matters. They want real media coverage.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 10:51:09 am
content: Quote from: Blofeld on May 11, 2015, 07:42:51 amNot really, that's just a contributed article, it doesn't mean much, even if if is Jack Ganssle.Stuff like the Makers at work book and the proper CC articles specifically about me are what matters.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 10:52:18 am
content: Quote from: JJalling on May 11, 2015, 10:07:22 amSome people like to see the EEVblog have a Wikipedia page, even if it is effectively a page about me personally. It's a stepping stone to other stuff like lists of episodes etc.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 11:22:18 am
content: Quote from: Biff383 on May 11, 2015, 08:39:57 amWhile there might be an argument as to why Ben Heck is considered "notable" and Dave is not, you can'tseriouslybe claiming that anything a notable person talks about then itself becomes notable... Surely Ben Heck has mentioned his ass before to someone, should we start a "Ben Heck's ass" page?Have none of you people ever written a paper or something? None of your silly "sources" would even be acceptable in a high school report!

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 01:46:52 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on May 11, 2015, 11:22:18 amI have written a few papers in notable journals. I wouldn't consider myself noteworthy, while Dave, yes he deserves a page. Wiki's policies on sources are antiquated and inconsequent and their tone leaves much to be desired, as does yours.

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 11, 2015, 07:34:44 pm
content: Man, "DreamFocus"'s response to the book reference really ticked me off. Hope I didn't lay it on too thick with my answer!I should probably add the same book ref (well, different chapter!) to Jeri Ellsworth's page too.WE HAVE A CONVERT. Not "DreamFocus", but "Wikimandia" (the one who makes his username incomprehensible).BY THE WAY: What page number is it in the CC 25th anniversary issue? That sucker is over 150 pages!

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2015, 12:50:11 am
content: Wikipedia notability is a joke:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_circuitApparently notable enough to warrant an entire detailed page.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2015, 12:57:47 am
content: Quote from: Someone on May 12, 2015, 12:50:11 amnot only that but joule thief has one too:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule_thief

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 12, 2015, 12:58:25 am
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 11, 2015, 07:34:44 pmPage 98.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2015, 01:05:40 am
content: Quote from: con-f-use on May 11, 2015, 01:46:52 pmI'm not saying he isn't notable, I'm saying the sources are shite. Want the page to stay up? Fix them. And screw tone.

author: Carl_Smith
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2015, 03:55:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 12, 2015, 12:58:25 amJust dug out my CC 25th to re-read the Q&A.Had a laugh when under "What are you working on" Dave discusses the USB Power Supply, and then his answer to the last question, "Your engineering goals for 2013" he says "Actually finish some projects."Not that I finish my projects either. BTW, my name is in the author list on page 152, and the title of the article I wrote back in 2006 is lost in the mess somewhere on pages 148 and 149...

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 12, 2015, 05:29:33 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on May 12, 2015, 01:05:40 amI agree that the sources, while not exactly shite, did not meet WP's requirements. Have you looked at the page lately? Or read the deletion discussion? One of the two "delete" voters switched sides, and the other agreed that the CC interview was good but we need one more - and after the book was posted he raised several specious objections to using it without ever saying anything was really wrong with it. I am confident that a closing admin, if neutral, will come to the "keep" conclusion.

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2015, 02:34:33 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 10, 2015, 10:00:00 amHey you can still reference them... finding them in an archive just to confirm the source is certainly not our problem. They're the ones nitpicking.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 13, 2015, 05:12:27 am
content: So Jeh rightly closes the Primary Sources message based on all the discussion, but then this Ronz person comes along and re-enables it? Does this keep ping-ponging forever?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 13, 2015, 05:37:12 am
content: Would the Renesas contest video be worthwhile adding?

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 13, 2015, 08:38:34 pm
content: Quote from: Someone on May 12, 2015, 12:50:11 amThis is a very useful page.It's something too simple for us to mention, but far above the knowledge our energy politicians will ever reach.A wellmade example of the effects of singularity.

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2015, 03:15:46 am
content: Quote from: Psi on May 11, 2015, 07:41:24 amRC modelon youtube reviews borrows Dave's phrase and often credits him on his "What's inside" episodes.

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2015, 03:19:23 am
content: Quote from: c4757p on May 12, 2015, 01:05:40 amDude, calm down

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2015, 03:21:03 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 13, 2015, 05:37:12 amThat speech you gave? Yep, it's a conference(it actually is...)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 15, 2015, 04:41:32 am
content: Quote from: ivan747 on May 15, 2015, 03:15:46 amMany (most?) current engineering bloggers credit me with having got them into doing it

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2015, 09:48:54 am
content: Don't be shy Dave.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2015, 09:40:31 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 15, 2015, 04:41:32 amAny source about university courses where you are mentioned, or tasks/projects/lab they do where content of your videos is used?

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 20, 2015, 03:34:53 pm
content: Well, it was a near thing, but we won.The deletion discussion was closed with result "keep".A couple of people challenged the idea that interviews could be considered secondary sources. Apparently my answer to that was acceptable to the closing admin.Now, back to important things.

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2015, 06:35:35 pm
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 20, 2015, 03:34:53 pmA few hours after giving it a 'keep' the result was changed to 'no consensus', which is a weaker conclusion (or rather, it is a non-decision), so if you can still provide new reliable sources, I think it would be good to add them.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2015, 07:32:14 pm
content: Now that this over - can I start a new post asking for volunteers (I will help) to set up an index on Wiki to the videos? Maybe 10 to 20 per person with someone first giving instructions ?? Sorted like a Playlist would be, in fact we could use Dave's playlist as a template.I do not know if possible but another wish list from me is : a list of links sorted by subject. I have found lots of useful links by reading these posts but it is on a hit and miss basis. If possible then after the video list.thanks

author: RickBrant
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 20, 2015, 07:47:57 pm
content: Quote from: bitwelder on May 20, 2015, 06:35:35 pmSo I see. "Dream Focus", the guy who originally proposed deletion, went and whined on the closing admin's talk page and the admin gave in. I've called foul.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2015, 08:22:16 pm
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 20, 2015, 07:47:57 pmRightly so.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2015, 09:02:57 pm
content: Quote from: RickBrant on May 20, 2015, 07:47:57 pmBlimey, I guess I was right, some people really do have way too much time on their hands.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2015, 09:06:18 pm
content: Quote from: ez24 on May 20, 2015, 07:32:14 pmI love the idea! What about The Amp Hour too?I can help at July and try to start trsnscription to make English subtitles, this can help on priority of what episodes to make subtitles first.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 21, 2015, 02:15:55 am
content: Quote from: Howardlong on May 20, 2015, 09:02:57 pmInteresting. This is the same guy that removed the reference to Dave's videos in the Solar Roadways page (forum threadhere) - personal vendetta?

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 21, 2015, 05:37:19 am
content: I don't know if it's a personal vendetta, but I find interesting that the user page for that DreamFocus guy reports two nominations for deletions, in 2009 and 2010.