Windows 365 SUBSCRIPTION remote desktop nonsense - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 03:36:07 am
content: https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-want-to-bring-windows-11-to-the-cloud-for-all-users-including-you?QuoteBuzzword bullshit:"The cloud", "Cloud gaming", Cloud, "AI-powered services"Utter bullshit:"Streamed from the cloud", "digital experience(s)", "consumer Cloud PC", "Power of the cloud", Xbox Cloud Gaming", "digitally roam".I am a bit confused, is it a terminal service/remote desktop service Microsoft are hosting where they lease it out or are they trying to sell you an operating system on a subscription basis that you put on your own equipment and charge you monthly with easy access that they provide to it?*Controlled by the parents through Microsoft.Also what if the parents are busy working and have no time.If I was that age that happened to me I'd be very upset, I'd go bezerk. I delete it and put my own stuff on there or hand it back if I can't.**I expect the operating system to be independent on the device for a starter.***Rubbish if "power of the cloud" depends on broadband connection.****Doesn't sound far fetch but stupid to me. Trying to setup a subscription terminal services/remote desktop in their house and charge them a subscription fee and call it all sorts of fancy names for a bit of easy access to it.QuotePATHETIC and UTTER BULLSHIT excuse does not justify/excuse the disadvantages of a subscription based to something that is not yours to use when you no longer pay the subscription fee.Joke:Many already have "a digital experience" and "digitally roam" around with their stuff and have access to "cloud"/hosting in one form or another.I find the article very patronizing and insulting and I wonder if Zac Bowden is being paid by Microsoft to promote thisarticlenonsense with all those bullshit buzzwords and fancy sounding terms he can think of.What do you think?

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 04:34:16 am
content: It could be:-not as many people using their windows PC with the ir Microsoft account,- have enough office 365 subscriptions but "all of them" is better- the microsoft store and installing apps though "the store" not quite the success they dremed up would be-windows S not the magic bullet they expected,too much software out there is still "independent" to be installed without MS awareness, blessing, permission or subscription....and they came up with a solution to all that

author: steve30
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 05:46:20 am
content: It is indeed a remote desktop solution. The Windows OS will be installed in a VM on a server somewhere and you will access it by remote desktop (or via a web client). You will still need to be running an underlying OS like Linux/Windows/MacOS which can then run the RDP client. This is pretty pointless for most of us here, but may have some use cases where you want something running on a particular machine, and wish to access that same machine from any device.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 06:10:19 am
content: But you will own nothing and you will be happy! What's not to like.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 06:21:05 am
content: I think they're going to make their own thin client solution for home users.Now many large companies already use such a system, eg Citrix, where a very cheap pc is attached to a monitor provides access to a server instance.The performance of the slice of server you get is customizable. Great solution for companies with many workstations.I can understand why they do that. You can provide customers with a very cheap buy-in, eg; 200$, and then a recurring yearly fee for use of the slice of server. Nice business model!Very unusable for anyone that physically want to attach stuff to their pc or run games and stuff due to latency. Also completely unusable if you don't have decent internet speeds (including upload!).But for a lot of digitally challanged people this is a great solution.This will be a thing in the future. Get ready for it.

author: Messtechniker
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 06:22:11 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on July 05, 2023, 04:34:16 amYep - thats me. I avoid Microsoft accounts and the Microsoft store like the plague.And reuse for W11 as many Windows 7 codes as possible.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 07:13:02 am
content: I've only recently switched to Windows 10 and just installed my 2003 copy of Word, Excel, Power Point, etc without any issue whatsoever. I mean how many words have they added to MS Word in the last twenty years that I am likely to benefit from anyway? not very many I expect.I bought aDell Optiplex 3050from an online seller with Windows 10 Pro installed for $129, and whilst waiting for it to arrive I found a Dell Optiplex 7040 with 16 Gb ram and Windows 10 Home installed at the local Recycle Center for $10. Both are kick arse machines but the frequent updates are eating up my data allowance, it's way too much even with updates postponed.

author: Bryn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 07:57:50 am
content: No thanks. I'll just stick with Windows 7...

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 08:19:17 am
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on July 05, 2023, 06:21:05 amConnection speed and latency variability are challenges for some, but remote gaming is already big business and working fine (for others):https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_gaming

author: m k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 02:49:25 pm
content: Quite clear continuity, first Office and now OS to 365.Back in the day crashes were sort of a regular thing.After driver registration that's very much history, maybe it's just a coincidence.Now one goal can be better malware control.Some collateral monopoly nurture also for sure but maybe there is a silver lining.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 04:19:31 pm
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on July 05, 2023, 07:13:02 amI once found a Acer down the skip in 2018. In 2019 Swapped the I3 for an I5 and installed solid state drive, better power supply and graphics card and copied the Windows 10 across from the mechanical hard drive. I think it had a Windows 8 pro COA sticker and was already upgraded to Windows 10 Pro.Now if I find a Windows 10 Home or Pro that I acquire I will delete it and remove the stickers and coa key after my ordeal with it:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/general-computing/windows-10-update-aggro/For weeks in 2019 every day I was loosing me temper/getting angry and frustrated trying to trace as to why that was happening and it all seemed hidden at first. User wants it intentionally switched off and 3 processes; Updateorchestrator and two other hidden services was turning it back on behind my back. Tasks in taskscheduler created by UpdateOrchestrator was shutting the machine down unexpectedly/randomly. Now I class that as intrusion, harassment and bullying and refused to tolerate that appalling behaviour until I found the culprits, disabled or removed them.)I remember it becoming very very slow at times, with high hard disk and cpu usage and when I found out what it was doing, it was updating all the "apps" in the apps store and that was when I discovered it got turned back on. What infuriated me further was finding unwanted "APPS" that I uninstalled in there returning with other stuff. The same kind of behaviour that I use to find with malware.I now have a disc image of Windows 10 LTSC Enterprise 2019 that I made a few alterations that took me two years to get it near the way I want with fewer annoyances and to to stop that from happening which is likely to be the last one before I find something else.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 06:45:57 pm
content: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/what-s-next-in-windows-365-for-hybrid-work/ba-p/3276122QuoteThis is not necessarily remote desktop nonsense, more probably it is portable desktop with cloud syncing and subscription "nonsense". Microsoft's version of Chromebooks.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 07:01:56 pm
content: Histrically , MS has developed "stuff for in-house use" and later made it to the market. ( windows phone -excluded)netbui, windows for workgroups, visual studio for teams, now "teams", developer desktop etc.MS like most "medium-to-large" companies has development happening all oever the place and this mess has to somehow get co-ordinated.So if nother else this will help distribute the desktop to the least expensive worker a lot easier than the current remote-desktop-domain-user model.Citrix has been bringing in a "a few bucks" with remote everything , or at least whoever bought them recently thinks so.And someone at MS was looking for a new bandwagon to jump on.Welcome to today!</speculation>

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 07:57:31 pm
content: It's the everlasting centralization-decentralization cycle. After the PC-to-cloud centralization there will be a cloud-to-whatever decentralization.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 08:25:57 pm
content: Quote from: madires on July 05, 2023, 07:57:31 pmYes and no.Sure, on one hand, things are going in circles in the computing industry. One illustration of this is with "AI", the "edge" thing appearing as if it was something new.But very large centralized systems are now here to stay nonetheless. Any "decentralization" from now on will just be for the sake of making more business opportunities, but not to replace the centralized stuff. So, as a complement. IMHO.Unless of course there's a big revolution, something which is by nature almost impossible to predict.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 09:04:44 pm
content: Quote from: madires on July 05, 2023, 07:57:31 pmThe massive drop in storage costs and increase in availability/speed of networking has changed the balance for ever.An online identity which can just run on every "Boot From Windows 365" device, will suit normal users far more. Your desktop shouldn't be tied to your PC, most people don't need the level of fine tuning to make them dependent on the underlying hardware. Microsoft should provide incremental backup with the subscription while they are at it.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2023, 09:45:43 pm
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on July 05, 2023, 06:21:05 amYeah, lots of companies use thin clients, there are many reasons people might want to do this. If you need more horsepower, you can pay a few more dollars for that day or month. People can work from home in a secured environment without shipping them a new PC. etc.I won't use this, but, no reason to shit all over it.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 06, 2023, 12:29:43 am
content: I'm honestly getting sick of Microsoft's nonsense.For those who have followed some of my posts over the years, I don't hide the fact that my personal and most of my professional life centered around MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows. However Linux has been my daily driver at home for close to 10 years now. I simply refuse to use Windows 10 (and that's after giving it a red hot go at work for years and trying my hardest to like it).Windows 11 really isn't much better. It's just a different kind of crap.Microsoft really need to get their act together. For anyone who has administered an Office 365/Microsoft 365 tenancy will know just how much of a dogs breakfast it is. Nothing is in a logical place, dashboards are duplicated, a lot of the old legacy O365 stuff still hasn't migrated over to M365 yet, their documentation is garbage.I'm just about to kick off a technology replacement program at work, to replace our ageing SOE and end-user equipment. I'm actually considering Apple computers as a strong contender for our employees. That says a lot. Then there is the question of what we're going to do with our air-gapped lab that handles secret/top secret information... I honestly don't have answers yet.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2023, 08:52:42 pm
content: QuoteI went to edit my previous post and decided the word probably describes more accurately what I was thinking.histricly although it may look like a typo at first glance, it conveys both the meaning of hysterically and/or historically.And if I was forced to pick one, I would go with hysterically!

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2023, 08:57:42 pm
content: QuoteWhat 'ya need to do is find someone with the MS Certification blinders on, that will focus on re-arranging everything according to "best-practices-like-it-or-not-users-be-damned" and then everything will run smoothly!!!(and now you now what the blurb under my avatar means

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2023, 08:59:05 pm
content: Speaking of MS and hysterically, Steve Ballmer sure was a good illustration of that.Satya Nadella looks more, uh, calm and consensual. But that makes the hysteria less obvious, so not necessarily a good thing.

author: Tomorokoshi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2023, 02:03:19 am
content: Additionally:OneNoteOneDriveOneThisOneThatAzureTeamsAll of which have not only nonsensical interfaces, but they all havedifferentnonsensical interfaces.