Just get a Fluke 374FC clamp meter and.. - Page 1
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author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 05:59:18 pm
content: it's made in China. What's a disappointment.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 07:21:59 pm
content: The "Made in China" units are apparently the good ones....https://www.fluke.com/en-us/support/safety-notices/37xfc-902fc-recall

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 09:46:01 pm
content: Quote from: BeBuLamar on October 31, 2023, 05:59:18 pmWhy is that a disappointment?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 09:57:42 pm
content: Maybe he feels it as a flaw, but the times are long gone where products from China are just junk in terms of quality.Made in the USA would be just like Made in Germany, Japan, etc. much too expensive.

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 10:41:47 pm
content: Certainly made in USA is more expensive than made in China but Fluke does charge a high price for their products.

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 10:54:54 pm
content: Quote from: DaneLaw on October 31, 2023, 09:46:01 pmIf I want a Chinese made meter I wouold buy a Uni-T and not a Fluke. I don't have problem with China but I do have problem with companies that is outsourcing

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 11:14:39 pm
content: Quote from: BeBuLamar on October 31, 2023, 10:41:47 pmApple too.You can't expect manufacturers to sell their products at cost.Everyone wants to be paid decently for their work and anyone who employs people who want to be paid decently has to recoup these costs and still make a profit, otherwise the point is missed.In China, labor costs are lower, and at the same time, buyers may still be willing to pay a certain price, but no more.If there were more people who would pay more for a product just to have it manufactured in their own country, then they would manufacture in their own country.But there are not, everyone wants top quality at low prices, this is actually mutually exclusive.Unless...One saves elsewhere to be able to offer it "cheaply".

author: BeBuLamar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 11:21:54 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 31, 2023, 11:14:39 pmAnd Fluke products are not cheap. How much have you heard about people complained why Fluke price is too high. I am willing to pay the price but what do I get?

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 11:33:37 pm
content: At least fluke are being honest,plenty of manufacturers use a made in xyz label , when they really mean assembled in xyz from sub assembles made over there were its cheaper.

author: DaneLaw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2023, 12:25:30 am
content: QuoteIt seems it the wild west, when it comes to these labels that clearly play on nationalistic bias (which IMO is not a bad thing that consumers have an eye on the bigger picture, & the consequences of outsourcing anything & everything to low-wage regions with close to no regulation, that removes jobs & peoples income' like there is no tomorrow.- but what does "assembled in the USA with foreign components" actually mean?Could it, in theory, be a 99% finished Chinese product, where the company is speculating in doing something minor/symbolic on US soil, simply to be able to put such a label on it, that gives the consumers the belief that it's from the USA.// An explanation..https://www.r2logistics.com/definition-of-assembled-vs-made-in-america/*Made in America= manufactered, produced & created in USA.*Assembled in the U.S with foreign components= is way looser, and just refers to that there been some assembly in USA... and its a label that is being misused a lot by companies to cater to certain consumers with a nationalistic bias..the guideline is that there has been some aspect of substantive transformation” on U.S. soil, but it's a very relative term, and many far east products are now being washed with that label.--It goes without saying some of the most advanced high-tech items are made in China nowadays and are literally as good as it gets, just as some of the world's most advanced production plants are in China.Go down the list, of Western brands that have outsourced their production to China, and for a good part also development, - it's tragicomic how common it is for Western companies to "optimize" by jumping regions and closing down regional jobs.it's gobsmacking how China has been able to corner the market in a few decades - the old narrative "if it's made in China it is junk" - simply doesn't hold any water here in the present time, as China makes pretty much everything.. topnudge quality items, all the way down to pure rubbish that should never have seen daylight.Is it a good thing this outsource spiraling, nope - but it is certainly not China's fault, quite the contrary.. more like a weird undermining home-market dynamics, where the Western world (politicians & companies) have outsourced anything under the sun to China, alongside other regions with low labor costs, & extreme loose regulations, on fx pollution, human rights, corruption etc and where you can optimize profit, as anything is "up for debate"If this was a Monopoly game with China, all the other contestants would have left the table or asked for a new restart.I purchase a lot from China, and I love the diversity on weird tech-items, that to an extent does the job, but to a fraction of the cost, but I also live in a country that is one of the most taxed nations on the globe, that usually summon to EUs highest prices with 145% above the EU average on consumer-prices so anything from abroad fx "other EU countries or far east" is cheaper than buying things regionally, sadly.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2023, 01:18:15 am
content: Quote from: BeBuLamar on October 31, 2023, 05:59:18 pmAnd if it was just Asia ?Like HPAK and Tek products have been for decades.Build a bridge……

author: TERRA Operative
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2023, 04:22:05 am
content: "Assembled in USA" = slapping the 'Assembled in USA' sticker on the finished and fully made in China product once it arrives in the USA...Reminds me of an American friend here in Japan who used to make bespoke guitar amplifiers.He would put an 'American made' sticker on because, well, it was made by an American!

author: NoisyBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2023, 02:49:26 pm
content: I have the 375FC, as well as other Flukes that are “Assembled” in the US and older ones that were truly made in the US. I also have Keysight bench gears that are made in Malaysia. Honestly, I found no difference in their quality, durability, and ability to hold calibration. So nowadays, where it is assembled means little, as long as the manufacturer is not forced to cut corner to meet a price point. We have been outsourcing manufacturing overseas for over half a century, it can be done with no sacrifice to quality. We can produce inferior products just as easily in the US, made in the US does not imply superior quality.If all else is equal, of course I would prefer something made in the US. Unfortunately, as many others have explained, those days are long gone with the globalized economy. There is practically no consumer electronics made in the US any longer, with the exception of some ultra high end products in the audio gears.In testing equipment world, limiting ourselves to US made products will not only limit our selection, we will often end up with a list of inferior designs. So, yes, it is not what I would like to see, I have long adopted the approach of picking the best products, without regard to where it is made. I love my Fluke 375FC, I hope you will with yours as well.