Flir Exx on Ebay for (UK) for sale - Page 1
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author: hikanio
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2017, 03:13:07 pm
content: just found the offer on Ebay, just in case anybody is interested.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FLIR-E50-Camera-/162432228595?hash=item25d1b71cf3:g:oDoAAOSwYXVYySGTCheersHikanio

author: Chanc3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2017, 05:58:22 pm
content: For others out there interested, you're better off waiting another month or two for the new Exx range cameras to become more widely available - should drop the prices.You can also get an E30 for around £1000 or less! Which can of course, be modified

author: hikanio
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2017, 09:33:48 am
content: I can definitely agree that the E30 might be even a better offer for around £1000, but some models lack the Bluetooth/WiFi board. (like mine: upgraded to E60bx+ specs, no no Bluetooth/Wifi)Particulary considering the Flir Tools App for Android that allows a nice cable free live picture with wifi.But I don't thing the prices for the Exx is coming any more down because of the new, higher range, Exx models. They don't replace the current Exx models, but more closing the (prie) gap to the T6XX Series.Another indicator might be that even the C2 price seems to rather going up although the C3 is already available.The E4 price also seems rather constant showing no tendency to be reduced yet.Beside that, the GBP is likely to loose more of its value...In summary: Many things to consider. :-)CheersHikanio

author: hikanio
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2017, 11:38:21 am
content: Another Flir E30bx (upgradable to E60) offered for £1200 in the UK, open to offers, so might be worth a try around £1000.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Flir-E30bx-Infrared-Camera-Kit-/222478843738?hash=item33ccc5bf5a:g:OI0AAOSwmCVY9Rby

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2017, 01:38:19 pm
content: Already tried. He has already been offered more.It is a bx model so limited temperature capability. Not sure whether this can be increased.Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2017, 03:44:11 pm
content: Well it looks like I will be selling a FLIR E4 with version 1.19 firmware !I am now the owner of an E30bx(E60bx)Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2017, 04:54:12 pm
content: Now to get reading about upgrading the camera and maybe getting the Wi-Fi running (if fitted) No worries if it is not though.The camera was bought in December 2014 so is reasonably recent. I wanted an Exx in great condition as some have seen hard service in industry, building sites and Ex-lease. This one fits the bill nicely.I already own FLIR Researcher so this camera will be great to use with that softwareHappy daysFraser

author: joe-c
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2017, 06:44:14 pm
content: Quote from: Fraser on May 09, 2017, 03:44:11 pmgratulations fraser,i have a E40 and its a great device.yes the temperature range is lower for the bx Cameras (i have -20 to 120 and 0 to 650 °C).http://www.flir.com/instruments/exx-series/

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2017, 07:52:04 pm
content: Thanks Joe-cI am just trying to work out which generation Exx camera I have bought. From what I can see there are at least 3 generations of Exx camera.It was actually this thread that 'forced my hand' as I felt sure someone would buy it from this forum. The camera condition is excellent and on this forum we know how to upgrade itI believe my camera is a 2nd generation camera as it has the 2MP visible light camera and LED torch present and active. The keypad navigation pad also looks like separate direction buttons rather than a single pad found on the 1st Gen and 3rd Gen units. All this is from looking at pictures though. Mine has white button legends as well. Some have back-lit blue buttons.I attach a picture of my new 'baby'With a (hopefully) 60fps refresh rate and full 320x240 resolution plus the ability to record video, I think this will become my favourite camera. I was considering buying a Thermal Expert TE-Q1+ but the rolling shutter effect on video recordings and low frame rate on anything but the latest phones put me off.I will be selling some of my thermal cameras on ebay to finance the purchase of this lovely Exx series camera so I will hopefully keep the bank balance in the blackFraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2017, 09:30:32 am
content: Bad news .... E30BX seller is trying to wriggle out of the sale. Not an honourable action IMHO and I have advised him of such.Bloody eBay, Honourable sellers can be rare these daysFraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2017, 12:17:44 pm
content: Yep sale has gone bad. He says he sold the camera to someone else 'off eBay'. The seller appears to be dishonourable.A bit silly really as his 'one man' thermal survey company in the Isle of Man is vulnerable to negative comment on social media. He used his company web address as his PayPal name !eBay have no effective response to this sort of situation and just recommended very negative feedback.It has been said that when pursuing revenge, dig two graves. I shall not pursue this chap, as I am not that kind of person?Life goes onFraser

author: hikanio
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2017, 01:41:02 pm
content: So sorry to hear that Fraser. :-(I was recommending the E30 offer, because I found my upgraded E30 one of the best available TICs on the market for around £1000.Recently I was able to "fill" my E30 box with the second external lens (15 degrees) that I managed to buy for a good price in the US.My set is quite complete now:E30 upgraded to E60 (without Wifi/Bluetooth)3 batteriescharging station45 degrees Flir lens15 degrees Flir lenstripod mounttools+ licenseHope you have better luck next time. I'll let you know if I am gonna sell my set when I want to go for something else. :-)CheersHikanio

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2017, 02:55:47 pm
content: Ah that's bad luck.Some people are foul to deal with and spoil it for anyone who tries to be fair, I've had a couple of purchases go bad like that too when a seller has been offered more money.Add them to the sh*t list and move on (still leaves me annoyed for a while though)

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2017, 03:18:27 pm
content: It just got worse.... the seller wrote an apology to me and is actually OK. A local guy paid him cash at the front door and he could not resist. I actually feel sorry for Trevor. Why ? Well he sold his E30bx that can be upgraded to E60bx spec and has bought an i3 TE-Q1....... for professional building survey work !Now the TE-Q1 has its place, but I would not base my livelihood on it ! I have responded to the seller with my sympathetic and kind head on. He has made a whopper of a mistake in my personal opinion. He did not realise that his E30bx is all that he needed once upgraded to its full potential He just wanted higher resolution and video recording. He could have had both and 60fps video instead of crappy <9fps.Such is life. I really feel sorry for the poor chap. I am not leaving negative feedback. I do not have the heart to do so.I have enough cameras already but I really fancied the E60 spec for my Hedgehog conservation work....... good resolution, light weight, ergonomic and 60fps video..... mmmmmm.Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2017, 03:44:31 pm
content: Finally..... I bought a pretty rough E2V ARGUS 3 today for £105 ..... something to amuse me as I explore its inner workingsFraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2017, 04:50:57 pm
content: Now trying to assist the seller in sourcing a decent thermal camera for his survey business. Looking at the U5855a as a possibility for him. Still a good deal from Keysight factory outlet on them.I hope I get my reward in HeavenFraser

author: Chanc3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2017, 03:48:27 pm
content: Quote from: Fraser on May 10, 2017, 04:50:57 pmWhat type of business? If he wants to do building surveys it needs to be 320x240!

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2017, 04:39:50 pm
content: He is now hunting for another E30 or E40 to upgrade.I thought the UK authorities requirement for building surveys was a minimum 160x120 resolution ? Has that changed ? Maybe my memory is just failing me.Fraser

author: Chanc3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2017, 02:09:15 pm
content: Most standards now dictate 320x240 (BS EN 13187) - for electrical work, it differs

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2017, 05:24:36 pm
content: Just to close out my involvement in this thread...... I found a new old stock E40 MK1 v2 camera and it is now mineAll is well that ends well.Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2017, 06:49:00 pm
content: For anyone thinking of buying a FLIR Exx camera, you may wish to read my Exx purchasing story here......https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/fraser-has-bought-his-new-favourite-daily-use-camera-the-flir-exx-love-it/Fraser

author: robert_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 20, 2017, 06:57:10 pm
content: Might also be interested, as i could use the better lens on the Exx compared to the Ex series.I am right that the bx models cannot measure above 120°C, and this cannot be modified? I would need to go up to at least 200°C.Now that the new E4 dont seem to be upgradeable at all, it might be possible to sell a first gen E4 at quite a good price...

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 20, 2017, 08:55:49 pm
content: The Exx bx models are limited in maximum temperature. This can be changed to the full temperature range of the Exx model. The problem is that the calibration of a bx model does not include the 2nd range so the calibration will be way off on range 2.I suggest a non bx model will best suit your needs.Fraser

author: robert_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 21, 2017, 04:09:05 pm
content: Just wondering what temperature the E30 was calibrated up to, as its supposed to be limited to 350°C (would be enough for me) while E40+ are 650°C. After all, they have to calibrate the higher range, just wondering if they really saved that little extra effort to go up to 650...

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 21, 2017, 04:50:15 pm
content: Thermal camera Microbolometers have different bias voltages applied to the pixels to provide different ranges. Each range will normally have single, Dual or multi point calibration. That is enough for the firmware to provide the required accuracy.IIRC the Exx series are dual range devices. On many cameras, range 1 bias voltages provide coverage up to 150C. Range 2 covers above 150C but the maximum depends upon whether the camera has more ranges that it can select as needed. The maximum temperature specification also dictates how many ranges are needed. 1000C max normally needs 3 ranges. Many.inspdustrial cameras have 2, 3 or even 4 ranges.IIRC the Exx has two ranges. That would suggest that the E30 uses its second range for up to 350C. If this is the case, and the full 650C capability is enabled, I would expect the calibration to be present and likely correct for coverage up to 650C. Whether the accuracy is as good as the E60, I cannot say as FLIR may use two point calibration of 200C(Lo) and 500C (Hi) for all I know. The E30 may use 200C (Lo) and 300C (Hi). It is the OEM's decision.The bx sadly is not calibrated in range two so the calibration table is hopelessly inaccurate as it will be on defaults.Fraser

author: joe-c
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 21, 2017, 10:15:07 pm
content: regarding the ranges from the E40 (+):i noted a higher noise in the range "0 to 650" compared to the "-20 to 120°" while view the same scene with temperatures between 20 and 50°C.because that i only use the Hi-Temp mode if i really need it.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 21, 2017, 10:27:33 pm
content: Joe-C,Yes the higher ranges effectively reduce the temperature resolution and can result in more noise in the image. You get nothing for nothingOn the Keysight U5855 series cameras covering up to 1200C the temperature resolution falls to 0.5C when on the highest range (Range 3) Range 1 provides the best temperature resolution of 0.08C and best image quality.The pixel bias voltages on a microbolometer may be fine tuned for the very best image quality, or the best maximum temperature capability, but they are mutually exclusive in most cameras,Fraser

author: robert_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2017, 09:51:59 am
content: Just recieved my E30Looks to be nearly unused, with original protective foil still on the display and 3 pictures of some pretty fat people sitting in an construction site office on the card. No damage to the lens or anything.492xx serial, 2.23.14 FW, E30_B 1.1 HW.Image is pretty noisy right now, but that should change when i get some time to play with it over the weekend...Is there any source for replacement mains plugs for that power supply, as it only came with the UK version and i cannot find any EU/UK adaptors that are not dangerous pieces of junk.Also, where to get that strange 3-pin DC plug? Never seen that one before, except on the old flir i60 at work.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2017, 11:07:05 pm
content: The DC power plug is custom. The best option is to remove the lead from the original power supply and fit it to a suitable new power supply.I have yet to find a source of that power plug and FLIR only sell complete power supplies.Fraser

author: robert_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2017, 12:41:50 am
content: That would be fairly bad, as i would need a second power connector (for an external battery pack)...Ive got 320x240, much less noise and most E60 features now, so far successful.Sadly the unit doesnt seem to have the wifi/BT board installedFraser: You probably have a fair number of Flir power supplies, is there any chance to find an EU power plug that fits the Exx S040EMxxx power supply? Could swap with my UK one...Second question is changing the upper temp limit to 650°C. I did see Calibration - Edit case Limits in the service menu but i am not sure if i really should touch that. I dont want to screw up the calibration entirely.Oh, and will Flir finally learn to use batteries that dont suck? They used very chinese "Shenzhen BAK Battery" brand 18560C4 "Power Bank grade" 2.2Ah cells. Really.I already repaired several other Flir battery packs that became nearly useless within just 2-4 years and all of them used no-name low capacity cells. At that selling price (over 100Eur for a 2-cell 18650 pack) they could really afford a major manufacturer cell with at least 2.6Ah, even in 2013.My battery isnt totally done yet but im probably going to replace the cells anyway, as i have to buy some cells for another project soon. 6.7Ah instead of 4.4 (nominal, much less actual) is quite an improvement.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2017, 08:48:50 am
content: Robert,I will look to see iI have a suitable Euro plate for the charger. They often get binned though as owners do not need them.Regarding the custom plug........ in such cases I tend the cut the cable and insert a Lemo or other high quality male and female connector pair. The battery pack or car charger is also fitted with the same connector type so that the lead may be moved between them as required.I have to agree if FLIR are using cheap Li-Ion cells. I would normally expect to find Samsung branded cells in such packs.Fraser