Canon HF G30 vs Sony NEX VG30 for blog stuff - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 10:12:40 am
content: I did a quick comparison video. Not a terrific effort, but shows some big differences.Vimeo for the best qualityand Youtube:

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 10:46:31 am
content: Vimeo for the best qualityYeah, too bad it's only 720p so what's the point... it would have been better to just upload the 1080p to your server for best details.closeup ...1:10 with sony interesting blurring on background, assume it's the macro stuff making. I like the colors of your skin1:30 moving to canon, the skin really has a tint of green, not really liking it, the sony feels much more natural. Yes, it's a bit wider frame, sony was a bit closer.2:00 canon 10 a bit darker but the same more greenish tint on your screen2:20 i like the sony colors a bit more but I'm not sure it's more natural, seems like more contrast, it's quite noticeable on the orange Help and Print buttons, the plastic of the scope is more cream, not white as with canons., the canon seemed a bit washed out colors... i noticed when moving hand into the frame the "50mv" at the bottom of the scope getting blurry, probably the focus moving to the hand .. the3:05 that's really dark, same somewhat washed out colors...canon wins at macro but how much is the lens a factor there... when you played with the lens on the sony it was getting better.All I can say for sure is that I like the skin better on the Sony, feels more natural to me.

author: alimirjamali
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 12:54:19 pm
content: It is noticeable that @03:30, Sony has shallower dept of field compared to Canon while they are both set to F1/8.0 - I noticed the Casio calculator and the knob.Judgment is not easy since the lens mounted on Sony is not optimized for video. Both camcorders deliver excellent video quality though. I like both of them. You already outperform most other Youtubers in respect of video/audio quality.BTW, It is very handy to have two (or in your case, many!) proper camcorders for multicam shots. Now you just require an old fashioned Clapperboard with SMPTE time code LED display!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 01:44:56 pm
content: Quote from: alimirjamali on August 14, 2014, 12:54:19 pmWhat would make a lens optimised for video?Sony seems to think it's usable for video:http://store.sony.com/e-30mm-f3.5-macro-e-mount-macro-lens-zid27-SEL30M35/cat-27-catid-All-Alpha-NEX-LensesQuoteI try to get at least decent quality, framing, white balance, focus, depth of field etc.Unlike many other (non electronics) youtube channels, I've never gone for the shallow depth of field thing. Because it's basically opposite of what you want for viewing PCB and products etc. And that also has spread into my talking head shots.I do love the "stand out" effect of the Sony lens in the talking head shot (also doable on the Canon), but what good is a rack full of gear if it's all blurred out?What does everyone think?BTW, I forgot that the Sony was set for auto white balance, and the Canon was set for my usual manual setting optimised for the lab lights.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 01:47:13 pm
content: Quote from: mariush on August 14, 2014, 10:46:31 amI thought vimeo was full HD?

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 02:02:00 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 14, 2014, 01:47:13 pmMaybe if you have a Pro account or if the viewer has a pro account, by default all I get is 720p.Hit the scaling button on the side and you'll see the original is 720p.It's a relatively weak compressed 720p also, optimized for low processor usage and low bitrate, but works well for the shots you made.QuoteStill better than Youtube's 720pQuote

author: mmilejski
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 02:04:12 pm
content: Quote from: alimirjamali on August 14, 2014, 12:54:19 pmSony has larger sensor, so to get the same framing it needs longer focal length hence it has shallower depth of field.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 02:13:09 pm
content: Quote from: mariush on August 14, 2014, 02:02:00 pmI do have a pro account.

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 02:15:07 pm
content: Yeah, i saw. I logged in as a regular member and both ways I get the same 130 MB 720p file. If it warms you up, in theory it's a bit better compression compared to Youtube's but not by much.

author: bktemp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 02:27:00 pm
content: Blue colors seem to be a bit off on the HF G30: The hakko soldering station and the VGA connector are almost purple, at the NEX VG30 it matches better the real color.On the NEX VG30 all colors are a bit oversatured, but on the HF G30 the face looks a bit pale.Without going into details like dept of field the image from the sony looks better.

author: alimirjamali
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 03:07:28 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 14, 2014, 01:44:56 pmLenses optimized for Video could perform fast/quiet auto focus. Even in manual focus mode, they have other optimizations such as stabilization and other tweaks. This oldpress releaseis not just marketing crap:QuoteQuote from: EEVblog on August 14, 2014, 01:47:13 pmAs mentioned by marius, we can not watch the Full-HD version online on Vimeo without pro account. Let's compare the formats each platform could serve for your Sydney Maker Faire 2014 Announcement (without pro account):Code:$ youtube-dl -F http://vimeo.com/103411683 103411683: Downloading webpage 103411683: Extracting information 103411683: Downloading webpage Available formats for 103411683:format code extension resolution noteh264-mobile mp4 480x270 (worst)h264-sd mp4 640x360h264-hd mp4 1280x720 (best)Code:$ youtube-dl -F http://youtube.com/watch?v=yGRZmoc02Fs Setting language yGRZmoc02Fs: Downloading webpage yGRZmoc02Fs: Downloading video info webpage yGRZmoc02Fs: Extracting video information Available formats for yGRZmoc02Fs:format code extension resolution note140 m4a audio only DASH audio , audio@128k (worst)160 mp4 144p DASH video , video only133 mp4 240p DASH video , video only134 mp4 360p DASH video , video only135 mp4 480p DASH video , video only136 mp4 720p DASH video , video only137 mp4 1080p DASH video , video only17 3gp 176x14436 3gp 320x2405 flv 400x24018 mp4 640x36022 mp4 1280x720 (best)Usually the best quality we can get is 720P on both platforms. The reason Vimeo looks better is because of higher RAW data rate for 720P. Should I post detailed statistics for all formats each platform (Youtube/Vimeo) could serve?The point is Youtube's 1080PMPEG-DASHimplementation is at early stage and not well supported (references available). Conclusion: your high quality 60fps video is down-converted to Youtube/Vimeo internal formats for the viewers (29.97 at max) and your valuable bandwidth is almost wasted (for the time).edit:P.S.: Of course it is possible to download original 1GB video from Vimeo for offline watching. However, does anyone actually do that?

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 04:21:13 pm
content: Two things:The Canon has a problem. When the upper right corner of the shot of the oscilloscope is out of focus and gets better when stopped down to f8, that indicates a misaligned lens, tilted sensor, or both. I would send it back for warranty just on this alone.The Sony might appear to people to have a better image, and if you were to use the video right from the camera then it might be so. Sony has a love of reds and they look a bit artificial. The Canon shoots "flatter" and allows more latitude in adjusting colours and contrast. Both can be adjusted for better colours so this is not a big concern.The interchangeable lens on the Sony is a plus, only if you want to spend money on lenses but at least you have choices. The Canon definitely has a misalignment problem and should be returned.

author: Yago
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2014, 04:33:08 pm
content: "What would make a lens optimised for video?"IDK either, I know some Canon vid cameras use EF mount, the same lenses as the DSLR line up.A shame the Sony was oversaturated, it gave the impression of a noisy image (to me).

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 15, 2014, 02:28:43 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on August 14, 2014, 04:21:13 pmYes, I'm a bit concerned about this.QuoteOf course. But I don't apply any correction to my video images in editing, whatever gets captured on the camera goes into the final video.