Various Projects:   You Try, try, try:   but don't forget to pause, for success  - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 05:31:29 am
content: On longer term projects people can lose sight of how creativity and subsequent success manifest; or how they play out as time passes.I'm sure the philosophers know this; you try try try, to get that town bridge, that new road, new factory, up and running, but neglect the Natural Process, which has its own set of rules.Momentum is a big factor; a person, or organization does not want to 'take a break's on some campaign or critical technology development; fearing loss of 'momentum' or damage (to the project) from laying down the instruments for a spell.However, many times new things need a bit of natural 'breathing room'; You've completed some potentially great art / painting, but no one wants it, or seems like.Some novel projects may need some breathing room, some pause in effort, while the 'world' catches up. It's a bit nebulous concept, but, like I said; maybe more aptly described in terms of the Eastern philosophies.Consider 'Computation using Light'...which is very do-able, but not yet 'ready for prime time'. You could put forth many portions of such systems, and certainly the fiber optical uses have come along nicely. But the core idea has a distance to go, first.It's only natural to expect some wait, as things unfold. The reason I use that term, 'unfold' is to imply: you might not be able to force it, but rather maybe better to try / put forth some, but then wait; give it some 'breathing room'.That process works by introducing some natural factors. Maybe your initial product is aFail, but the customer base seems itching for an alternative, nearly right but not quite. The breathing room you give, allows some rest, conservation of your resources, while retooling for a better form, manifesting.The Indian culture philosophies have a lot to say, about 'emergance' of novel things, in terms that are described as 'energies', but not the usual electromagnetic sense.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 08:15:28 am
content: Quote from: RJSV on September 29, 2024, 05:31:29 amRevealing.Can I suggest that there are some times of the day when it is better not to post.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 10:23:21 am
content: Not so, tggzz. Just a wordy way to say that stubbornly focusing on a predetermined goal without waypoints or stops where you pause, observe, reassess, and refocus as needed, will usually lead to an overall failure, often because the time just wasn't right yet.Put another way, all practical innovations and tools and gadgets and projects exist in interaction with humans, not independently; and that means an inventor/developer has to examine the human to invention/device/tool interactions at all phases of the project,and adjust accordingly, to achieve success. And that often during these "observation pauses" you can find a side task/use/innovation that can be useful/profitable in itself; so it makes also financial sense to proceed with reassessment/observation steps in between, not single-mindedly towards the final goal like a train on tracks.Dammit, I'm now just as wordy myself. :'(

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 12:59:21 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on September 29, 2024, 10:23:21 amIn this case you are less wordy than the OPThere is a difference between you and the OP. You construct grammatically correct sentences (in a second language too) which manage to convey your intended meaning. OTOH the OP...That'sonereason why there are times when it is unwise to reply.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 03:46:09 pm
content: Partially correct. I'm perhaps still formulating the exact wording, and full development of subject, so maybe it reads more like a draft essay. Two concepts here are:First, please understand that I'm using the term 'natural' to imply when events unfold without being forced...as in a 'hands off' evolution, (not 'natural' as in a forest outside).As a hypothetical example; Suppose you have some big legal case pending, and the head attorney gets sick (or worse). Absent any foul play, you could view that as an unexpected outcome where the 'world', universe, etc. came and 'acted', to move the court outcome in some way. That, of course is very nebulous, but also very common. Some calling those things 'luck'.At any rate the main point on that is that you did not cause the new development, it happened as you were 'passive'.Yeah, this can be hard to read, but not THAT hard!The second idea, mentioned in replies here, is the stiff, forced, march to do 'everything' possible, with no breaks or self-evaluation; just pure determination in isolation.An example of this point is the 'assistance' given to myself, after a (routine) medical procedure:Getting me up to walk, were 3 medical technicians, with two of them supporting and holding my arms (closely). Then, I was mildly amused when the third medical tech literally shoves my walking cane at me. I had no way of grabbing that cane, and also needed my arms, for standing up. I had to just go passive and let them pull me up, to stand.See my point there ? They were trying too hard ! Blindly, the first two fellows were interfering with the third guy, who was attempting to hand me my cane. If they would have been perhaps more relaxed, letting the situation unfold, I would have been able to get up, and use my cane, in a more 'natural' flow."Flow" ? Yes, that's a key to the distinction, 'forced' vs 'natural'.More criticism is fine, no harm done....thanks.

author: Kim Christensen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 04:45:20 pm
content: Quote from: RJSV on September 29, 2024, 03:46:09 pmSounds like some of the jobs I've been on:Boss: How much longer will this take?Me: 6 hours.Boss: Here's 5 more people, now you should be done in 1 hour.Reality: It's a 1-2 man job, so it doesn't happen in 1 hour as everyone gets in everyone else's way. More like 3-4 hours now.Another thing that happens with projects is when I get in a mental rut. Sometimes taking a break, or simply switching tasks for a while, and then coming back to it will help me overcome whatever hurdle that was stopping me.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 04:45:34 pm
content: Quote from: RJSV on September 29, 2024, 03:46:09 pmIt would be considerate to other forum members if you marked it as such.Better still, form a coherent chain of reasoning, and only then present it for consideration.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 05:31:05 pm
content: Ok, I'll do my rough draft on a sheet of paper first (since I do appreciate anyone reading and wishing for improved readability).Besides, there likely are 30 others who got similar impression, of writing clarity issues.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 06:04:08 pm
content: What's the dodgy part?I'm sure a few of us have worked for companies that have similar practices where we explore, not with the intent of making a sell-able product. Projects like these may have little restrictions, goals or tight schedules that need to be met. Often what is learned is applied to other projects.Even in my electronics hobby, I often build on what I am learning at the time which can take me down seemingly unrelated paths. Playing with waveguides for example, prompted me to investigate electron spin resonance. I like electronics because it is such a diverse subject.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 10:37:02 pm
content: Well actually, without being flippant; it's the OP that's a bit 'dodgy' (myself) and I'm thinking more in a sense of intangibles like 'Luck', 'Karma', 'intuition', rather than a simple company retreat week.Ever cease to look for lost item, only to find it, within minutes ? Stop checking bank account balance, only to check it later and find that the check you were needing had arrived...and just after you stopped checking on it arriving ?Some movies feature 'mysterious' coincidences, like the movie 'African Queen', where the boat that was lost got loose, and floated back to Humphrey (Bogart), saving the day, out of nowhere ?Those intangible outcomes, that happen in a separate way, not by direct exertion.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 10:41:54 pm
content: Quote from: RJSV on September 29, 2024, 10:37:02 pmActually, there is a common cause for all of those, and more:apophenia.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2024, 10:55:31 pm
content: Can we perhaps mention the one thing about trying to find the solution to complicated problems, or trying to meet difficult challenges?That sometimes the solution is not obtained to a schedule? That even if you focus all your attention for two weeks you may not find the answer, but yet, a few months later, you will see the thing you were missing all along, and the answer will reveal itself?In practical terms, if you have a problem you cannot solve, it is often helpful to put it to one side, and come back to it later.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2024, 01:12:57 am
content: Here is a pretty good example, job related, where a 'pause' in one quest left me positioned nicely, for when better new developments came along:The local Community Center had jobs, all filled, but I got an offer to help out, an employee there, who had 2 dogs needing frequent walking.It was hardly high paid / high tech, but, as they say, it placed me in the right place, and very soon, in the right time.I was hired for the main wanted position soon after, as electrician 'assistant'. I had done much of the ground work myself (no pun) but that dog walking responsibility came without trying; and kept me in the building as an insider, until a full-time opening as electrician's helper enabled my 'promotion'.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2024, 04:38:55 am
content: To see bugs in the code I write, I need to sleep in between.Many of my best solutions bubble up from my unconscious after I've let it mull on it, especially sleep on it, without consciously thinking about the problem at all.Things take time. You cannot solidify concrete faster by having more people watch it.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2024, 05:25:12 am
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author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2024, 10:30:34 am
content: Quote from: Kim Christensen on September 29, 2024, 04:45:20 pmYeah I get this, partly it's why I'm leaving my current employer after 7 years.Well, that and the raise I'll be getting at the fresh place.Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 30, 2024, 05:25:12 amYes exactly.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2024, 04:26:55 pm
content: So far here, I've probably covered about 30 % of the materials and description detail on the subject. Don't misunderstand the approach to doing meaningful work as it's common to have a love for work and meeting goals.Another example might help, here:Suppose you have some little project involving investors, on a bigger, long-term technology development. That's with focus on one particular institutional investor.You've had a couple of meetings, over lunch, and perhaps have handed over a few documents on new patents and marketplace estimates. This 'new prospect' is now familiar with you and has all contact information needed.Maybe later you use some excuse to get back in touch, briefly, meanwhile concluding you have completed a good introduction on your investor funding needs.O.K. then, good and, as the saying goes: 'The ball is in his court', time to back off and let (events) take their course...('unfold', as it were).[ That's the hardest part, when you are in aggressive pursuit. ]Think of that 'investor's perception; You certainly don't want to overdo the pitch for help, as that can cause a normal rejection and even evasion, from your further communication.Very similar to romantic pursuits, where trying too hard is, perhaps, a definite 'turn-off', to borrow a common phrase used in romantic dating descriptions.Soon, more thoughts introduce some general Hindu teachings, and meta-physical ideas involving TIME unfolding as an ever-emerging moving phenomenon.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2024, 04:28:28 pm
content: Quote from: RJSV on September 30, 2024, 04:26:55 pmOooh! Religion. Can't wait.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2024, 04:33:00 pm
content: BACK OFF, MAN, you are an embarrassment.Physics is the interest, and Hindu writings are very interesting !

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 12:30:51 am
content: I've been in numerous delays; California heat wave(s) mess things up. So, here is a diagram I've needed to complete, relating to the topic which relates to 'time flow' but with emphasis on the immediacy, of events rolling out, maybe on some vastly short time scales.That would be a time scale around sub-nanosecond sizing.Some folks would start talking then, using terms like 'Qantum' physics (yeah; I don't know).But if you view the enclosed diagram, intent is to illustrate TIME as a kind of 'Breaking Wave's which might relate some, to uncertainty principal, applied to the 'wave front' being uneven or uncertain.Later, all those little 'trendills' tend to settle down, and on some very short time frames.Part of this, today, related a bit to some information I had been reading, on relativistic 'Time Lines', and, interestingly, related a little to some graphical discussion on imaginary numbers, on a 2 axis field.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 12:39:43 am
content: Some of the 'Breaking Wave' of time seems to be similar to references to measuring time (flow) in various Hindu religious texts, which describe 'epochs' or measured periods of time, including very short periods, like 60 microseconds (uSec.). Why a religious study would mention such short instances is hard to understand....and so this I'm intrigued by what motivated study of such short time periods, in a society fairly behind, circa 2000 BC, where I assume ( ??) the physics and metaphysics technology wasn't advanced.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 01:28:10 am
content: ...It's going to take a bit, here, before I can get this described enough to relate to my previous tale, of a New Product quest for investors, or to relate to various romantic 'ventures'.It's a little easier, to stay down in the smaller realms, of Uncertainty Principal, and the relativistic behavior of fast moving particles (sub-atomic). An object moving approaching light speed is going to have a 'Space-Time' behavior that deviates from stationary objects.It's easy to examine that 'breaking Wave' shape might be different, with the fast moving example vs. time unfolding in an even, featureless and smooth surfaces 'wave break'.Also, (perhaps), you could imagine; a featureike a black hole could be causing a lot of 'turbulance' of the breaking wave surface.Of course, for really really good TURBULENCEyou might want to display that breaking wave as having spiral going tendrils, looking more and more wild, depending on how relativistic the speeds are, or how much mass...This sort of thing, is why there is a use for the EEVBLOG DODGY subjects section !As you go out, towards more everyday behaviors. Like, for example, certainly after a second or two, things are more closely 'Newtonian'.

author: schmitt trigger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 02:27:55 pm
content: Your initial post opened up an interesting concept, although described in a very wordy way. Nominal animal was kind enough to distill its substance in a couple of concise sentences.But your latest posts are becoming, how should I politely say this, bizarre.And before you tell me to BACK OFF!, I will do so on my own volition.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 09:24:54 pm
content: Yes, thanks, I do need to do some rough draft, on paper first; it's just quicker to shape the text on the fly.As to that 'Back Off' comment, that was a knee-jerk response, to a poster that has seemed to enjoy delivering Snarky and short, teen-age maturity level to essentially just disrupt the presentation / discussion.(I went and spent 5 minutes looking at that former poster, and list of posts. Found similar treatment, of other OPs, so.....)As mentioned early on, (after that snarky), I commented that my writing might be hard to read (sorry), but not all THAT hard.I suppose, I could ask for a summary, of just how difficult (my) musings are, to follow, vs various physics and experimental meta-physical in terms of clearly written, but also simply a difficult subject.Covers both the 'relativistic' and the mundane everyday world venues, which often are hard to reconcile.Saying 'BACK OFF' doesn't need to be for that disruptive fellow, there. I actually said that for anyone else, reading. Meaning that stupid, short expressions are more like, maybe 12 years old maturity level.Right now, I'm intending to credit some of the MATH books, where I got many of the ideas, repeated here...as best I can today.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 11:02:53 pm
content: Credit is due, for the latest thoughts on examining the metaphysics of 'Time Breaking Wave', which is concerned with the topology, of emerging events. It's a bit of application of ideas published by Minkowski (mid 1800's).Thanks also, to the section on modern mathematics described as:'Minkowski Space'.That section is in the book 'The Math Book',By 'DK', Penguin Random House publisher.The inspiration is, attempts to include known math and physics, into graphical or into a Topology framework.Apparently, when interpreting the status of some object,...Minkowski preferred to inckude TUME as one parameter along with velocity (and position), so you also get 'Set Theory' involved; The diagrams taken from the book can indicate where a 4-D object can exist, valid, vs regions in the 2 axis diagram where objects cant be...usually due to the limit of the speed of light.But...Yippee, I found my reference, relatively easily !That write-up on Minkowski helps with the 'Worldline and topology.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 11:28:55 pm
content: Now that I've introduced the World Line as a tool here the question (that relates best to use in examining in extreme detail close-up, what would that 'break', of time chugging along...what would that be. Infinitely smooth might be hard to believe, but then WHAT would the breaking new wave front look like ?Of course we know what ocean surf does, in a fairly chaotic moving front surface, having many fluid sub-parts. The ocean water wave breaking surface might not be exactly correct as a descriptive term as I suspect the term 'breaking' actually refers to the nearby crash, as the water wave front crashes downward.So, playing with the previous diagram, I made the wave front look even more wild and chaotic...perhaps for a moving object that goes near a typical black hole.'Black Holes' were just a fantasy dream for many years, (I understand).Please keep in mind the time scale, as it's extremely short.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 11:31:04 pm
content: More active wave front.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2024, 01:07:45 am
content: That couple of pages, on Minkowski's 1850's work, on metaphysics of including TIME, as a fourth dimension, helps here and seems to be related.I've included my own copy, from the graphs in the book ('The MATH Book').That diagram outlined the 'allowed' or logically correct region; that being between objects moving at zero, and at 'maximum' allowed (C or light speed limit), as a line at 45° (degrees from horizontal axis).

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2024, 01:36:41 am
content: Now I know I'm playing a little fast and loose, with Minkowski's 4-D World Lines, but it's interesting in the implications, to explore.Attached diagram shows my musings on the Topology or Graphic of moving masses. At top, I've included a 'molecule' having 6 atoms, while the middle 'Travel Line' has only a single particle, say an electron. (I'm using my own term, Travel Line, as more of a simple, 3 dimensional motion.Now, at the bottom of this diagram was going to 'show' a mass=0 moving object,...of course that's just blank. But wait a minute: TIME itself is going to be moving, and with a break, or wavefront.Actually, the zero-mass consideration would be most correct if shown as 'breaking' or unfolding in ALL DIRECTIONS. Yeah, that's where I've been led, although the metaphysical stuff frequently is bizarre.Plus, I'm an amateur with unquenchable interest.Dodgy Dodgy Dodgy. Topology can be a beast !

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2024, 02:00:57 am
content: I've spent the last few posts discussing the exotic particle aspects, with a World Line of'4-D', including TIME. Actually, in the book referenced the 'motion' axis is more literally a 'hypercone' outline of the light speed limits to 45 ° (degrees).To start relating all this back up to more everyday (mass and motions), you likely could start by more detailed examination of that chaotic region I've illustrated.It would make sense that the chaotic region is the most likely (place) that could be influenced, by other forces, as yet unspecified.Many of us have done reading where in physics there is '...Spooky action, at a distance...'.Perhaps, and just a theory, suppose that some decision (you've) made, suppose that has some 'spooky' process, but one that affects those little, tiny, tiny sub-atomic particles.Thus, supposing that process alters the tiny micro-flows, of the tendrils...Very schetchy but it might be the case that those 'tendril' surface roughness is very sensitive, being so small anyway...That sort of connection / proof is a massive task, to establish...But, just a few therories can be bandied about, learning as we go.:Dodgy Department: Rick Speaking

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2024, 07:35:06 pm
content: A couple more immediate thoughts, to finish up this section:The proper use of the World Line wouldn't have any vector direction, in a 4-D graph as shown previously (from the book), in the case of zero velocity. But time, nevertheless, obviously does 'move' , even when no mass is present. But, this brings up some physics that I only barely know; I'm wondering about some things I've read, mentioning an energy value, even for a volume perfectly empty. (That might not relate).Another deeper physics aspect that might apply, is the (known) expanding of the universe.You've got time moving, (in a sense) inside of a given volume, that keeps growing. That puts THREE different moving things !As the topic here is about events that unfold, naturally the intent is a question of how to harness or manipulate the process, for gain of advantage:I mean; how would one help create a working environment where creativity is enhanced and goes towards practical advantage outcomes.That could be things as simple as providing 'extra' work table surfaces, uncluttered by past projects. Reversing that thought, readers could certainly things could happen, say in a big engineering office, by introducing 'cluttered' areas, lots of noise, interruptions, etc.It's all about nurturing things, while keeping an understanding of metaphysics involved in creative productions.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2024, 08:59:36 pm
content: Oops, SORRY; That last post, meant to say that that when there is no movement in space, no velocity, then it wouldn't be correct to assign a vector, to the TIME axis...it's a different sort of movement anyway (the flow of events).At any rate it would seem to make sense that there are moments of creative production that can be labeled 'breakthrough', and, at any given moment if you try to pin it down, as to exactly when, then you get interested in that 'breaking Wave' thing I've been mentioning.(Sometimes called 'a moment' and where is that, precisely ?In other words, attempting to characterize the precise time, and is that 'breakthrough' spread out, say, to 10 milliseconds ?100 milliseconds ?People often refer to that short little period of insight, as an 'instant'.Of course, some tales (of novel invention or inspiration have something like:"I saw the dog, on leash, and immediately saw the solution, to my machine lathe accessory that I was struggling to design..."(If this isn't making any sense, well, maybe go to other section, and read posts on 'Picture of your CAT'...(easier reading), lol

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2024, 07:44:07 am
content: (I don't know if I should be visitingI Can Has Cheesburgerfor cat pics, instead of encouraging you. This is in the Dodgy section for a reason.. Still, everything written below is serious, and has no "dodgy" parts that I am aware of; it is my best current understanding.)The functions of the human brain, like all animal brains, is based onneuronsand their connections to other neurons viaaxons, withsynapsesas the interface between a neuron and an axon from another neuron. The map of those connections is called aconnectome. The first full connectome was of a roundworm, Caenorhabditis elegans, published in 1992. Last year, in 2023, the full connectome of Drosophila melanogaster fruit fly was published, consisting of about 200,000 neurons and their connections.None of the functions of a neuron, axon, or synapse are mechanistic. We can roughly model their function, but their interactions are scarily complex. There are chemical interactions, electromagnetic interactions (mostly electrostatic, i.e. "voltage potentials", but also magnetic interactions), and at the atomic scale, quantum effects, including tunneling.That is, even the nervous system of a roundworm, or the tiny brain of a fruit fly, fundamentally involves quantum phenomena in its individual components.(Which is pretty understandable, if you accept evolution: the higher functions emerge after the cells and organelles capable of supporting such, initially in crude form, but refining via selection. And this is fundamentally tied to so-calledjunk DNA, and the potential for new functions during high physiological stress and competition. It's not just "random mutations", but a much more complex system.)When we go into the atomic scale, and investigate quantum phenomena, including "spooky action at a distance", even the "arrow of time" is sometimes confused. That is, "cause" and "effect" may not occur in that order. (Don't mistake this with superluminal – faster than light – stuff: it turns out that even quantum tunneling cannot convey information faster than light. What I am talking about, is that at quantum scale, what is the "cause" and what is the "effect" are often unclear, and even interchangeable.)It is no surprise that the sea and waves have been used to describe all this. Even the surf and froth are useful.. But it is very important to realize that it ishuman poetry, analogies and models that humansrequireto discuss these things, having evolved to understand human-scale things and not quantum or stellar/galactic scale stuff. So, I warn against getting stuck and diverted by the beautiful but very limited analogies and models; to always remember that this is only our human description of these things, with the truth much stranger – and more beautiful, too, if we ever develop the ability to go past our current limited analogies and models, I believe.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2024, 08:34:44 pm
content: That's a nice and readable analysis. My type of reading is closely visual, and so I find myself visualizing the neurons, to help understand your ideas.I'm curious if you (Nominal Animal) have any sorts of professional subscriptions, to medical science publishing... As you know, many of the best publications happen in private, rather than some magazine stand. A more formal subscription, like EDN News and some others that cover microwave installations, and other engineering things happening behind the scenes.Thanks !

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2024, 01:38:47 am
content: Picture here relates to the discussion of creativity, in general. Yoga and similar arts seem to stoke the creativity fires, which is topic here, on how creativity works, Metaphysics or not.I can appreciate the replies here, that contain a lot of cautious mention of the neurological things, that we have no idea of the more complete processes that go on. (Nominal Animal comes through with the goods, yet again !)

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2024, 01:45:23 am
content: Ha! Got my older photo slide, by way of camera! I've been having difficult time trying to get that photo to download, from my email.The usual tap on screen or activate a menu with download option isn't available, on this Alcatel phone...or I just can't find it.For the slide, I used a flip phone camera, to shoot the slide, while illuminated by covered flashlight.The photo you see was taken by my Alcatel smart phone....just an experiment. I can send that photo, by way of texting, but can't download....Thanks for reading.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2024, 09:28:16 am
content: Quote from: RJSV on October 20, 2024, 08:34:44 pmNo, butThe Lancetis delayed open-access, andarXiv.orgoften has uploads by the authors themselves (often preprints, sometimes full articles). Physics is my own field – computational materials physics, and specifically making the computational tools for it – which does merge with chemistry, biology, and medicine at the atomic level, though.And I'm not above using Anna's Archive to get personal understanding, depriving Springer/Elsevier of their imaginary profits. (As I'm not able to work right now, I'm pretty limited funds-wise; I would not be able to buy access anyway.)

author: Xena E
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2024, 09:59:37 am
content: Quote from: RJSV on October 21, 2024, 01:38:47 amOf course it does Rick!Endorphins, good well oxygenated blood flow, and meditation are pre requisite.Sitting on the couch watching the boob tube, eating chips, and guzzling soda not so much.X

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2024, 04:15:50 pm
content: Well, it's FUN to show off; Thanks Xena for your thoughts, although I don't formally meditate. My hair is different now, from that 25 year old slide.I'm just mainly pleased, to start, that I could get some semblance of SLIDE COPY using a big flashlight with paper towel for diffuse light source. The 'Yoga Mat' photo posted here is, actually, a photo of a phone screen photo, of the slide....using two smartphones.All that, as I don't have a slide converter.Ironically, my personal situation, suffering from (properly diagnosed) LYME Disease, there are memory defects, resulting in a situstion with lots of new creative insights, but also with problems with recall, (of the transactions of the last five minutes.But it's exillerating to have some special abilities...and I've managed to at least apply the Xtra creative gifts to the actual work-out itself.I had my waist down to 26 1/2 inches, and the beginnings of a 'cut' look, on body. Breathing rate at 2 1/2 breaths per minute, which, as an Engineer, that tracking was a part of the whole, Yoga involvement.Lyme disease has a so-called 'chronic fatique'...a term that some doctors hate. But I've gained some, in the 30 or so years, in the management of day to day energy capabilities.Impaired probably equivalent to about two stiff cocktail drinks. It's ironically similar to the 'Idiot Savant' cases of impairment, exceeding like that in the stretching work.I sometimes joke that 'It took YEARS to get in the shape I'm in...'.But I stole that joke. You gotta keep a positive approach, for sure. Deliberate.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2024, 11:35:23 pm
content: A little study and thought, on the Oct 30 reply from Nominal Animal:Can we assume that quantum effects are the norm, at cellular level ?You mention electron tunneling and cause effect order. I drew a crude reinterpretation of the cell to Axion to Synapse connection. I understand the synapse having weighted inputs, sounds like an analog computer.So, I noticed that my image of cellular level doesn't include a heavy emphasis on quantum effects. Should I alter my assumptions, to more constant quantum effects, (rather than some special event) ? Thanks.

author: Nominal Animal
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timestamp: October 26, 2024, 01:37:06 pm
content: Quote from: RJSV on October 25, 2024, 11:35:23 pmYes – but notdominant, just one of the facets of their operation.Quantum effects are dominant in some other cells, for example photosynthesis.Quote from: RJSV on October 25, 2024, 11:35:23 pmYes; this is the correct model at this complexity level.It is only when you start looking at the behaviour of this analog computer, and how those weights are affected by both chemicals and electrostatic fields (other neurons nearby), and exactly how those inputs and outputs work, do the quantum effects come into play. This one is notmechanisticlike sayATP synthase, which is a molecular machine pumping protons.There are some controversial theories about quantum entanglement in neurons being important, see e.g.this recent ScienceAlert article.The myelin sheath surrounding axon fibers –– whose damage or inflammation in limbs often causes nerve pain! –– may generate entangled photons, which might also be important; see e.g.this recent phys.org article.When we model the neuron, axons and synapses as"analog computer", we must remember that it is just a model that helps us understand, not an exact or exactly correct one. Then, the neuron is the processor and memory core, axons are data buses, and synapses are device interfaces. I must stress that it isn't amechanisticone, one that you can model using a simple analog electronic circuit, because even neuron operation is affected by surrounding chemicals and electromagnetic fields; much more so for synapses. And new axons and synapses can form, and axons canmove, even in older humans. This is why keeping ones mind limber and nimble is so important for us humans; and to do that, regular exercise, problem solving, and mindfulness/focusing exercises are key. Yoga nicely combines these all.Large language models do work by forming roughly similar connections and networks using a simple mathematical multiply-add function, at very coarse resolution (16-bit floating point, or half precision, and 8- and 16-bit integers, are commonly used). They lack the interesting/important complexity at the base level, so it is questionable if they are functionally analogous to neurons-axons-synapses at all. As I understand it (and I could be wrong!), using the known connectomes (from roundworm and fruit fly) that way replicates basic observed behaviour, especially in low-interaction environments, but not the full observed behaviour in high-interaction/complex environments.Before we compare LLMs to intelligence, we do need to remember that the human brain contains at least 86,000,000,000 neurons and estimated 1014synapses and their axons. Most of those are mostly involved in sensory perception and muscle control, of course. Then again, we do not actually know how intelligent for example cetaceans are, many of which have more complex brains than humans. Even something as simple assense of selfvaries from species to species, with corvids being remarkably intelligent and capable considering their relatively small brain size (see e.g.this article).From biology and math we do know that extremely complex behaviours can arise from relatively simple systems – consider e.g. termite and ant nests, basically self-contained cities or arcologies – so it is very important to distinguish between such andintelligence; between biologically emerging and self-directed behaviours. Complexity and appearance is not sufficient to distinguish between the two; it is only how they behave wrt. new inputs and changes ("stimuli") that the difference between the two becomes evident. In this sense, LLMs are the former, whereas "art" and "creativity" is latter.