French needs "p----" enlargement, faces a really serious problems if not - Page 1
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author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 21, 2014, 10:59:43 am
content: Its so damn funny ->Size does really matter"Pxxxx" : platform for train, gotcha

author: Balaur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 21, 2014, 11:11:33 am
content: Measure Thrice, Check Twice, Cut Once.We are at the cutting part.

author: ciccio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 21, 2014, 11:44:52 am
content: Transport Minister Frederic Cuvillier blamed an "absurd rail system" for the problems."When you separate the rail operator from the train company," he said, "this is what happens."This is true, even here in Italy they separated the two, to allow for other operators, and the net result is a lower quality standard and a price increase, but in the case of this specific mistake I believe that somebody was due to check specifications, an he/she slept.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 21, 2014, 12:15:34 pm
content: Mind the gap.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 21, 2014, 03:23:04 pm
content: And if it's anything like here in the USA, no one will be fired in the government department responsible, they will blame it on some poor contractor.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 21, 2014, 03:48:16 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on May 21, 2014, 03:23:04 pmAccountability is a general problem with monopolists organizations that live of tax payers money.As for the French trains, they need a better DRC tool. ;-)

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 21, 2014, 04:19:25 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on May 21, 2014, 03:48:16 pmThat's ok, taxpayers are an infinite resource, like clean air, and crude oil.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 12:36:22 am
content: Quote from: Stonent on May 21, 2014, 04:19:25 pmYep, the socialist view of taxpayers is of resources rather than free citizens. I understand where you are coming from.

author: rexxar
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 02:38:45 am
content: Quote from: zapta on May 22, 2014, 12:36:22 amYes, that's a "socialist" idea of taxpayers, sure.I wonder what you call how the US treats them, then?

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 03:14:34 am
content: I would call it "socialist". Government bueraucrats are enamored with anything European, including the less than admirable economic systems. We are unable to learn form others' mistakes. We have to make them for ourselves. And then by the time it has really hit home, the government gerbs are living on fat taxpayer-funded retirement checks and don't care anymore.

author: HackedFridgeMagnet
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 03:56:19 am
content: I'm not sure that this type of mistake is limited to France, or to socialists, large corporates, bureaucracies or even just big projects.But look on the bright side.France has paid about 3% extra to have slightly wider carriages than they would have. Which may actually save money in the long run. They also got a more consistent platform distance across their network too.Seems like a pretty good deal from the outside.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 04:36:18 am
content: Simple human mistake, shit happens, at least they can and are fixing the problem.Saying it's because one organisation was split into two is nonsense, if it was one organisation it would still be one department communicating with another and there would still be the likely same humans involved and they would be just as easily making the same mistake.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 04:51:08 am
content: So new trains for SNECMA, and they had to update infrastructure that dated back to when trains were steam powered to a more modern one. Would you like to have to jump across a half meter gap to get on a train when you are in a hurry and 300 others are trying to get in the same train, plus you have a massive suitcase as well to carry across the gap, and the little rollers will not work there.

author: ejeffrey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 05:54:24 am
content: Quote from: sleemanj on May 22, 2014, 04:36:18 amYeah, this really sounds like a 'dog ate my homework' excuse. Simple fuckup, anyone could have made it, and anyone could have found a way to blame 'the system' for it. And honestly a $50M mistake on a $15B project would be lost in the noise except A) it has a certainje ne sais quoithat makes you want to facepalm, and 2) someone saw it as an opportunity to grind their own agenda.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 06:20:48 am
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 22, 2014, 03:14:34 amStatements like this make Americans look stupid. I know you have been indoctrinated right from childhood and through school and that socialism and communism make up good insults and swear words for you. But at some point you should grow up and start to think on your own.The point is, just insulting and labeling everything as socialism because you don't like it or you consider it as un-american gets boring really fast. And we well understand that it is a phrase to avoid discussion and cover up you hate for everything different and everything you don't understand outside your small bubble.And let me remind you, it was the superior American economic system that brought us the financial crisis.In case you are not a lost case and are still able to educate yourself, I recommend to e.g. have a look at the Executive Summary you can find athttp://www.socialprogressimperative.org/publicationsYes, that URL has "social" in it name. "social", there, I wrote it again. What they measure is:QuoteSound's very American to me. To pursue happiness and all that. So where did you end up? The US ended up 16th, with 10 "socialist" European countries ahead and a bunch of "socialist" European countries immediately following. And it ended up as a statistic anomaly - check the graph at page 8.To our Australian friends, yes, you managed to end up in the top 10. You even beat Austria by one placeBut New Zealand made the number 1

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 06:39:05 am
content: Wow, you really don't get it at all. It is the nanny-state, printing-press-funded, out-of-control government that got us into this mess. If you don't like the label "socialism", then you tell us what it should be called?By whatever name, it is very far removed from that "superior American economic system" that most of the last couple generations don't even remember.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 06:54:05 am
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 22, 2014, 06:39:05 amYou are now running through your phrase book, one by one, aren't you?Let me tell you something. If the French would have the infrastructure operation and the train operation in the same company, you would have called it socialism, because it stiffs competition for other train operators. But they don't, so you call it socialism because they have two separate market entities.The thing is, you are just looking for an excuse to run through your phrase books of insults to foreigners. And it is so boring and uneducated. Why can't you lot come up with something new to demonstrate your superiority? Just once? I'd just once like to hear a good, creative, new, funny, intelligent and entertaining insult. But no, the same old shit again and again.

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 08:18:28 am
content: back on topic.The french are actual politically very smart , not only do they now end up with the wider trains that have more comfort for the passengers, they now also got an extra 50 million € to upgrade the trainplatformsWe in Holland on the other hand ordered a lot of trains from an Italian "quality" company that delivered trains that do not make it to the next station without problems and sometimes do not even make it to the other station. So we got out of the "deal" but it costs us (taxpayers) hundreds of millions €'s and we end up with still nothing

author: ciccio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 03:50:59 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on May 22, 2014, 08:18:28 amI'm sorry, but to my knowledge there are no more Italian train manufacturers in operation.The factories are still there, but Bombardier (Canada) and Alstom (France) bought them.The second hi-speed operator that started service two years ago uses trains that are named Italo but are made in France...

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 06:56:39 pm
content: Quote from: ciccio on May 22, 2014, 03:50:59 pmThe company isAnsaldoBredaand they are located and the trains were build in Italy, maybe foreign owners could be and yes we were sorry tooBut hey every country has their bad companies, did not mean to insult Italy which undoubtedly has some very high tech high quality companies as well.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 07:07:55 pm
content: One thing that puzzles me about this is the reported number of new trains ordered, 2000 or so. That is a lot of trains. For instance, in the UK new trains seem to be ordered in lots of 50-100 or thereabouts. If the trains are delivered at a rate of about one a week, it takes a year or two to get all the new trains into service. At a similar rate, it would take 40 years to get 2000 new trains into service. Who is making all these trains?

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 07:18:32 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 22, 2014, 06:39:05 amIt never had a very successful laissez faire economy ... the US's existence as an economic juggernaut was entirely the result of statist measures (such as building railroads) and cheap oil.

author: ciccio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2014, 07:58:56 pm
content: Quote from: Kjelt on May 22, 2014, 06:56:39 pmIt's true. I cannot understand how I've forgot them. They are still there, maybe because it's a (partly) state owned company. My machinist friend tells me that they now cooperate with Bombardier who bought one of their factories and build some of their designs.Thank you for the nice words.

author: old gregg
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 26, 2014, 03:26:29 pm
content: Quoteand they're so smart that Medias never mentioned that "news".(but I'm not really interested in the "news" , always the same crap, so I may missed it).From an inside point of view, well another crap done. Another one will be brought to light in two weeks I assure you...It's just another fucked up thing done by over paid white collars. Nothing to worry about for small people...By the way, I don't quite get what "socialism" has to do with that