How to wire up a 6ch delay timer for dolls house - Page 1
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author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 16, 2017, 04:53:09 pm
content: have no i131574529512dea about electronics. I purchased the item to control lights (off/on delay) the 6 ch will control 32 lights (6 div 32=5 light clusters).What I need to no.Power pack size (v)How to wire the lightsHow to wire the power pack.The unit is about the size of fifty pence.You can find this items description on eBay item no 131574529512The following information was provided by the manufacturer!100% Brand New and High QualityThis is a mini size but very useful delay timer module. It has 6 independent channels for delay output.Multi-Channel Easy Use Delay Timer Module (with Status LED for each channel) Each channel time adjustable by potentiometerOutput terminal of the module has protection diode. The module can directly drive relays and other similar inductive loads.Question: For what application can this module be used for:Answer: This module has 6 channels of time that can be adjusted independently (the delay time depends on input voltage, which will be specified below). It is suitable for turning on a series of circuits or devices by a set sequence.Product Details:Power Supply: DC 3V - 18VStatic electricity: less than 0.1 uAOutput drive capacity: 300mA * 6 channelsDrive Mode at the Drive Side: NPN triodePCB Size of the Module : 20 * 32 mmDelay Time Details:6-channel delay time can be adjusted, the time adjustment range and power supply voltage, so it is best to use power supply.The following are common voltages measured values:3V : 0 - 9 seconds adjustable5V : 0 - 8 seconds adjustable12V: 0 - 4.5 seconds adjustable18V: 0 - 3.5 seconds adjustableCan use some modules together in series to increase output terminals.Example Applications:1. Use one module:K2 disconnected, K1 closed, L1-L6 lights up one after one, and at last L1-L6 stay on lit-up status.If K1 disconnected, L1-L6 all go off.If K2 closed, no matter K1 at what status, L1-L6 will not light up.[ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] 1075592. Use multiple modules in series:K2 disconnected, K1 closed, L1-L11 light up one after one, and at last all stay at lit-up status.If K1 disconnect, L1-L11 all go off.If K2 closed, no matter what status K1 is, L1-L11 will not light up.

author: bingo600
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timestamp: August 17, 2017, 09:40:46 pm
content: What type of lamps will it drive ?You do know it can only delay at max 0..9 seconds (driving a 3v led)/Bingo

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 18, 2017, 06:57:32 am
content: The bulbs have yet to be installed. I assumed higher than 3v would produce longer delays is that not the case?

author: Ian.M
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timestamp: August 18, 2017, 07:01:45 am
content: No. the delay DECREASES with increasing voltage.You'll probably want to use 'grain of wheat' bulbs or small LEDs so they aren't too far out of scale for the model.

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 18, 2017, 09:00:17 am
content: Im going to test the circuit to see how it performs using Mobile phone charger so we're do the twowires (+ -) go from the charger to circuit including the two wires from the bulb?

author: Ian.M
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timestamp: August 18, 2017, 09:50:14 am
content: *CAUTION*Incandescent bulbs typically have a cold resistance ten times less than their hot resistance so they draw a lot more current at the moment of switch-on.As your timer is only rated for 300mA load current per output, using it with any bulb that draws more than 30mA when lit will overload it at switch-on.If the bulb current isn't specified, you can calculate it from its rated voltage and wattageMost modern phone chargers are 5V so you'll probably need 5V bulbs of no more than 30mA or 0.15W rating.Follow the wiring diagram from the EBAY ad for the module. N.BVccis the common name for the positive power feed to a chip, board or module that uses bipolar technology (andVddfor CMOS devices)

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 02:15:54 pm
content: This is the second electronic forum iv been to ask a simple question how to wire a fone charger and a xmas light bulb to a 6 ch delay circuit?They all tell you what it is but not how to wire it?

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2017, 02:31:10 pm
content: What problem do you have with following the wiring diagram given in EBAY ad131574529512? (copy of diagram attached below)N.B. an xmas light bulb may overload and damage your Delay Timer Module, or may be the wrong voltage to run off a phone charger.

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 03:17:46 pm
content: Just we're the wires go when connecting to circuit board ?The two wires from charger?The two wires from light bulb?That's all I need to no the rest I will deal wiv thankyou?

author: Ian.M
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 03:36:27 pm
content: Charger + wire to Vcc, - wire to Gnd, and bulb(s) wired as per diagram

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 03:48:36 pm
content: I'm not electronic eng. so I can only see we're one wire gos for bulb that's on one of the 6 ch prongs of circuit now were does the other go?

author: Ian.M
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 03:55:22 pm
content: It joins onto the wire along the bottom of the diagram which goes to VCC.

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 03:58:31 pm
content: Which pins that?

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 04:04:47 pm
content: This is hard wired there is no other plug in or circuit boards

author: Ian.M
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 04:14:33 pm
content: The Ebay ad's second photo shows the pin names marked on the back of the board. If your board is missing the pin names follow the photo, but ONLY IF your board is otherwise the same as the one shown in the photos.Did anyone mention 'plug in' or other circuit boards?If you need further help, we would need to see a photo (well lit, in focus and high enough resolution to read any component markings) of the parts you have so we can literally draw wires on it for you.To prove you aren't trolling us, please put *ALL* the parts in the same photo and use the front page of a recent newspaper as the background, with the 'masthead' and date clearly visible. I apologise in advance for being suspicious!

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2017, 04:45:54 pm
content: As mentioned above, the piin names are on the reverse of the board.Unfortunately it may be hard for someone to solder wires directly to the module, if they've never soldered before. I recommend soldering it to a piece of strip board (Google is your friend, if you don't know what this is) and soldering the wires to that.

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 04:56:27 pm
content: I'm getting utterly confused here? One wireframe the bulb gos to pin 3 lets say! Now we're does the other go ? Are you saying it's soldered on the actual circuit next to the pin 3?

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2017, 05:22:37 pm
content: Quote from: Andy698 on August 19, 2017, 04:56:27 pmThe other side of the bulbs all go to the positive supply.Connecting the bulbs is easy. It's the switches which I'd be unsure of, because the labels on the schematic don't match the silkscreen on the PCB.

author: Ian.M
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 06:05:52 pm
content: I'd *guess* that 'ON/IN' on the board is 'START' on the diagram and 'OFF' on the board is 'STOP/IN' on the diagram, but as the bastards that build this cheap sh!t sand the numbers off the chips, there's no way of checking except to hook it up and see whether it works or it lets the magic smoke out.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2017, 06:14:25 pm
content: Quote from: Ian.M on August 19, 2017, 06:05:52 pmI agree, it's a pile of poo. The fact that the delay varies with the supply voltage is also a sign of poor design. If it were designed properly, they delay would be fairly independent of the supply voltage. If more adjustment is necessary, there should be another potentiometer to alter the delay on all channels.My guess is the ICs are something generic, but if the OP can't even figure out how to wire up the lamps, there's no chance they'll be able to reverse engineer it.

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 06:40:52 pm
content: My god after several messages ?I get a drawing we're the wires go?Thankyou very much for your help

author: Zero999
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 07:59:32 pm
content: Quote from: Andy698 on August 19, 2017, 06:40:52 pmNow, please do yourself a favour. Compare the picture I've drawn, against the electrical schematic and figure out how I did it. This isn't rocket science. You don't have to be an electrical engineer to do this. I could have done this before the age of 8.

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 08:53:26 pm
content: I thankyou I am dyslexic according to Mensa it's 109. I asked a simple question how to connect four wires ? What I got was a problem? Yes you told me what it is because I gave you the pins and instructions? All you have done is repeat what I gave you?Now let's have a think about this.4 wires 2 from phone chargerand 2 from the bulb?And you won't me to send a picture with today's paper ?Nutts ?

author: Zero999
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 09:07:42 pm
content: Quote from: Andy698 on August 19, 2017, 08:53:26 pmYes, clearly I'm nuts.

author: Ian.M
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timestamp: August 19, 2017, 09:25:50 pm
content: At this point I don't really care if the O.P. is trolling, as the entertainment level is already close to that of daytime TV!I'm just waiting for season 2 when it does sweet F.A. because it needs a switch, and season 3:Quote from: Andy698 on August 16, 2017, 04:53:09 pmwhich will let the magic smoke out unless the 'xmas light bulbs' used are LEDs with integral resistors and each draw well under 50mA @5V.Of course the odds are currently 50:50 that the magic smoke gets let out in season 1 due to inability to determine which phone charger wire is positive, and the whole show gets cancelled . . .

author: Zero999
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timestamp: August 20, 2017, 04:45:31 pm
content: Yes, I can see the funny side now. I was in a bit of a cranky mood yesterday. lolI'd usually suggest using an Arduinio for something like this, as they're so easy, the average 12 year old could do it, but the OP has already demonstrated they're not willing to learn or can't.

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 20, 2017, 05:36:19 pm
content: People like you only exist in dog shit?

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 20, 2017, 05:44:59 pm
content: Help forum ha

author: Mr. Scram
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timestamp: August 20, 2017, 08:10:10 pm
content: Quote from: Andy698 on August 19, 2017, 03:17:46 pmPlease report back how things went.

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 20, 2017, 08:47:49 pm
content: How it went you should no it's your forum?Outstanding unbelievable totally bizarre ?

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2017, 08:54:59 pm
content: Quote from: Andy698 on August 20, 2017, 05:44:59 pmThat's right. You've figured something out for once. This is a help forum. It is not a do everything for you forum. One has to be willing to think for themselves to some extent, to gain anything from posting here.Quote from: Andy698 on August 20, 2017, 08:47:49 pmDon't believe me that this forum is helpful? Take a look at Ian.M's (one of the most prolific and helpful posters here) posting history and see hoe many thank yous he has received. Click on some of the threads, to see what questions they've asked and how they've effectively communicated with him, in order for him to assist them.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;sa=thanked;u=104739If you don't have time for this or can't do it, then why not just hire an electronics engineer to design the whole thing for you? If you do take this route, you need to be able to communicate to them exactly what you want, yet so far you haven't demonstrated you're able to do that.

author: Mr. Scram
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timestamp: August 20, 2017, 10:01:40 pm
content: Quote from: Andy698 on August 20, 2017, 08:47:49 pmI meant how wiring up and turning on the delay timer for the first time went. Maybe you could even make a neat video of itIt's not my forum, by the way. I'm just passing by, learning as much as I can.

author: Andy698
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timestamp: August 21, 2017, 09:56:43 am
content: It's quite clear to all your comments are patronising ?