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author: blueskull
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 05:35:15 am
content: Well, what can I say? Sooner or later, they will DRM everything. I wonder if they can fit an identification chip to a screw, they will screw you with a screw.

author: glarsson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 05:50:09 am
content: Shady repair shops repair iPhones using broken parts, blaims Apple when the repair fails.Did Apple even know the third party parts would malfunction after the update?

author: sstepane
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 05:57:26 am
content: Quote from: glarsson on April 11, 2018, 05:50:09 amThey've been doing this for years, as I recall. That's company's policy, and that's one of the reasons I stay away from their products.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 08:37:33 am
content: I think Louis just hates Apple at this point and is riding the cash train for spurting this shit on youtube to his fan base.If you've ever tried to build a hackintosh you know that Apple only QA on the narrow hardware that they actually sell. Anything else is a crapfest. Buy wonky third party screens from wun hung low and you get what you pay for which is minor specification differences. Last time this happened, they actually sampled the screens and fixed it. However they have no obligation to do that.Also the third party screens, of which I've seen a few, are total shit! Really they are awful. Some of them even come with the frame hanging off. The backlight is wimpy as fuck and the actual LCD pixel arrangement is completely different.This is also true for every other phone vendor out there and every other embedded system out there incidentally and even windows a lot of the time. Just the other day I spent a whole day recently trying to get it to talk to a Cypress USB serial bridge with a different vendor ID after an updated shot the device ID.Shit happens.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 09:24:50 am
content: So its just matter of time, that someone in Shenzen sees when it times that the market is big enough for this particular replacement display, will make a cloned one signals & behaves exactly like the genuine one ?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 09:34:44 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 11, 2018, 09:30:09 amSo just wait until the re-designed part came out, then back business as usual again right ?

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 10:05:05 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 11, 2018, 09:12:18 amApple do support 3rd party repairers and provide them with equipment that they use for official repairs. We have authorised repairers who sell genuine parts in the UK.Quote from: blueskull on April 11, 2018, 09:12:18 amI take it you've never dealt with DDC then particularly over VGA. Some vendors have funny ideas as to what constitutes a protocol and the register contents...I don't think this is like the whole FTDI thing which was "burn all the rip offs" but a "well we didn't expect that" thing.

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 10:10:57 am
content: Imagine if Microsoft did this with Windows Update.When windows updates, it detects you're not using some component you had when you first installed windows, and bricks itself thus denying you access to your data.Of course people would throw a fit if this happened, everyone accepts PCs break and need replacement or upgraded parts.Yet because it's:a) Appleb) A company that make both the hardware and softwareIt's somehow OK, well it's not!This isn't about 3rd party components being possibly not as good, it's about Apple using planned obsolesce and works as follows:a) Make phone easily damaged, say extra thin with a screen made from the most brittle of glass.b) Release new IOS version that for some odd reason needs a faster CPU to run properly, don't worry we have a new phone out that is faster, so go buy that to solve OUR problem.Either a or b get you to buy a new phone, if you somehow managed to get your screen fixed, well screw you 'cause we break it next IOS update anyway.There is a reason they are called crApple, and they earned that name.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 10:17:17 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 11, 2018, 10:13:26 amComponent level repair is dead.Give them a week or two. IOS 11.3.1 will appear and this will go away or something.Quote from: station240 on April 11, 2018, 10:10:57 amHave you looked at:1. Product activation2. Bricking of AMD based PCs after meltdown patches3. Windows Phone, Surface and RT locked down platforms which were abandoned4. FTDI windows updateHmm.The problem is the entire software industry is shit. There is no side to pick.Oh no office today. Wait for that one....

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 10:19:06 am
content: Quote from: station240 on April 11, 2018, 10:10:57 amThat's the thing, Appleusedto be brilliant machines and innovative for the day. Those days are long gone. The stuff they have churned out in the last almost-twenty years is flimsy, poorly designed, junk (for the most part).Sadly Microsoft are going down the same path.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:03:38 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 11, 2018, 10:16:07 amW7 may deactivate, which BTW won't prevent you from using it, but will BSOD only if you replaced motherboard of HDD interface controller withdifferenthardware. Will it BSOD or not depends an how big hardware chance was, if you stay within same CPU vendor within 1-2 hardware generations, it will work in vast majority of cases. W8+ usually will usually work even if you switch from Intel to AMD.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:07:26 am
content: Back when server 2008 came out we had problems with windows deactivating when you used a bonded network interface as the primary interface on the machine as that had a generated MAC. No hardware change there! Go figure.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:08:31 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 11, 2018, 11:06:12 amSorry but it's a BS. Personally done this, worked fine in most cases.QuoteIt will work if you manage to install a proper driver first.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:13:30 am
content: I can't watch the video now. But I remember last time this "Apple bricks repaired phones" headline was around it was due to swaps of the touch ID. The software was designed to prevent attacks by replacing the touch ID part, but by replacing it the entire phone got bricked.Apple later released an update fixing the bug that caused the brick, this time only disabling the touch ID. As was intended.Meanwhile everyone on the internet was ranting about Apple bricking phones.Today it seems that generic screens don't work with the latest update, which would probably just be a bug or something else unexpected happening that could get fixed next update. If I buy a five random "ILxxx" driver compatible screen from aliexpress I can be sure some do not work on my boards. And I did not intentionally block the use of other screens, I just never developed for those. Apple also only tests software on a very narrow base of hardware, which is how they've becomevery successful. I don't think you can pull the intentionally bricking card here.The only case of intentionally bricking phones I know of is the Flamesung Galaxy Note 7. For a very valid reason.So, until someone can show a device telling meerror: unauthorized hardware detected, I think Lious is just there for the Apple rant view and clicks. And people love that.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:15:10 am
content: Yep. Windows is pretty tetchy actually. Try booting a bitlocker encrypted machine which you have plugged into a docking station...

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:17:49 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 11, 2018, 11:14:13 amI don't care if somebody cannot work around this or configure bios HDD settings on new MOBO to get it running. There is nothing that inherently detects hardware change and prevents in from booting.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:25:11 am
content: TBH I have swapped motherboards out before and it just asks to be reactivated. If you've done this a couple of times you have to phone them up. You might have to bring it up in safe mode for it to fix the drivers but that's about it. Most of the time it just works now.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:28:00 am
content: Quote from: wraper on April 11, 2018, 11:08:31 amI totally support wraper in relation to this comment. Windows will chuck a hissy-fit if you replace the motherboard (or some other major component) and simply expect it to work. No! Remove the old drivers first and let it re-detect new hardware. I would expect similar from ANY O/S.However if you're swapping between HALs (Hardware Abstraction Layers), you'll probably get BSODs. On older versions of Windows, the HAL is determined at the time of install and you're stuck with it from that point on. On the newer stuff it's detected at start-up.Either way, on a Windows (Mac or Linux box for that matter) you can usually get all your data back. The same cannot be said for iPhones. Each file is encrypted using its own individual encryption key (rather than whole partition or disk encryption). It's a major pain in the ass.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:35:14 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 11, 2018, 11:26:50 amUsually is drivers. Windows PE which comes up first tries to load all the drivers in that were there before. Then it cant find the disks and shits a brick. If you bring it up in safe mode if it doens't work it'll sort itself out.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:39:09 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on April 11, 2018, 11:28:00 amNot strictly true. The whole thing is at volume level as they keys are stored in the secure enclave.If you encrypt your disk with Bitlocker on Windows it's the same story.If you encrypt your disk with FileVault on Mac it's the same story.If you encrypt your disk with LUKS/dm-crypt on Linux it's the same story.If you turn on device encryption in Android it's the same story.The only difference with the iPhone is that this is the default and the key storage is actually pretty secure. And that's a damn good thing and it's the reason that the only approved handsets in our company are iPhones. Because the default policy and hardware is the most secure and they are very difficult (not impossible) to tamper with.Backups are the solution to fucked up encrypted disks, not blaming the vendor.Read this:https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:40:39 am
content: Good video, although it is nothing new from these guys.I bet it will have little effect to their bottom margin - people will continue to buy their stuff in places properly serviced by Apple directly, regardless if they are turning the screws on their customers.For the rest of the world, which has no altenative other than recurring to third party repairs, this is an absolute disgrace. For my friends that are in this situation but still crave for their products, I can't help but cringe at their folly...

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:42:51 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 11, 2018, 11:39:09 amYeeeaahhhh.... I won't comment on any of that (I can't) but Dave knows exactly what I'm about to say, without having to say it.If you think any of that stuff keeps you secure, you're sadly mistaken.EDIT: For the most part, yes, you're safe from the average nerd. From organisations who have access to "things"... nope, not at all.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:44:32 am
content: Read what I said carefully. I agree it doesn't.What it does is it makes it more difficult. You're protecting against casual data and device theft and idiots leaving their devices on trains, not state level actors. You can't win against them.This is why companies I've worked for have air gapped systems in the defence sector.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:46:20 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 11, 2018, 11:44:32 amI understand, but for the casual observer, I've spelled it out.Speaking of trains, this is where I get off. :-)

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 11:47:59 am
content: Casual observer it's good enough. You don't want someone buying a telly via Apple Pay after getting your phone swiped. Getting off the train too

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 12:07:59 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 11, 2018, 11:25:11 amEven easier if you know you are replacing the motherboard, and can uninstall the old drivers/hardware in windows before swapping the physical motherboard.Not to say there aren't issues, but safemode is a good way to resolve most driver issues.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 03:59:49 pm
content: I've been using an unactivated copy of Windows 7 on one machine since 2012 and I've never seen a BSOD because the activation period ran out. It just goes into what Microsoft calls "Notification" mode. According to them, your data is never endangered. Making a massive hardware change, such as switching motherboards, is a different problem entirely. I'm surprised it actually works.

author: Gribo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 04:01:01 pm
content: Here is a relevant link for such behaviour from manufacturers, at least in the US:https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/04/ftc-warranty-voiding-language-like-nintendos-and-sonys-is-illegal/

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 04:23:07 pm
content: Quote from: Gribo on April 11, 2018, 04:01:01 pmIMO it's completely reasonable to void warranty for electronics if unauthorized repair was done. When I was doing authorized cellphone repairs in the past, most of stuff I've seen previously repaired by 3rd party, rarely could be called as job done with reasonable quality. And that was time when cellphones were much simpler to disassemble and repair than modern stuff with everything held by hooks and adhesives.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 04:29:35 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 11, 2018, 11:44:32 amLike those air gapped centrifuges in Iran? Unless you're going to force people to write anything new on the system itself and have automated gun turrets to deal with anyone who tries anything else, an unwitting human with a bad idea is always going to be your worst enemy.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 04:30:24 pm
content: By the way, are we doing another one of these threads already? I thought we just did an Apple versus Windows versus whatever thread the other day?

author: aandrew
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 05:02:12 pm
content: If Apple had a proper parts market I am almost 100% sure that Louis would happily source parts from them instead of playing the game of buying remaindered hardware off of ebay/aliexpress/dodgy sites and taking chances. He's complained long and loud about not having access to actual service manuals and genuine repair parts.This isn't "dodgy repair shop complaining about not being able to use third-tier garbage".I have absolutely zero issue with Apple tightening down specs. Shit hardware will fall off the bottom, but overall things are better. When they killed phones with replaced home buttons it was a problem ONLY because they took it to the extreme; Their later fix of simply refusing to use touch ID is the perfect compromise. Unverified touch sensors break the chain of trust (can't verify sensor, can't trust fingerprint).I use Apple's hardware and am happy with it. I am *not* happy with soldered on hard drives and other lock-in methods, but making changes which MAY cause third party hardware to fail to work is not necessarily an issue. We don't know the exact mechanism for the failures yet, so I am willing to reserve judgement until we know WHY they're failing now.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 06:47:24 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on April 11, 2018, 10:19:06 amSure. Just think about that stupid low-cost phone clone they came up with a good 10 years ago. No innovation at all, and oh, that flimsy, plasticky feel!Or those dreadful notebooks in their all-metal, machined-from-one-piece cases. Fortunately every single manufacturerer in the industry copied the looks, and showed Apple how to do it properly with plastics and sheet metal!Come on, mate. You don't have to be an Apple fanboy. (I am not -- actually the only Apple product I use is my company phone.) But give them credit where credit is due, or risk to lose some credibility.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 06:50:20 pm
content: The funny thing is that I suspect the “good old Apple” was the old MacOS 9 and before shit. Ugh it was horrid.

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 08:24:53 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 11, 2018, 06:50:20 pmGood old Apple was the Apple ][ which was so successful it was pirated in short order. The one thing Woz didn't do was have a custom ULA that other 8 bit manufacturers did. I think Apple as a corp. still have a very bad hangup from that experience.The worst clone I encountered was a "Microprofessor II" - Chinese of course.I remember the original Mac back in the '80s and was impressed until I found there was no way of programming it or any command line. It was totally walled garden stuff and so useless as a computer to me. Such a shame. That experience put me off Apple products for life.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 08:34:01 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on April 11, 2018, 06:47:24 pmJust because their devices are metal, doesn't make them good, or robust, or durable. I see plenty of bent and cracked iPhone chassis come across my desk, I see plenty of Macbooks which have fractures around the LCD hinges. Yes, they look good but that's where it ends. Servicing them is a complete bitch and my terrible old (business-grade) HP from 10+ years ago is far more durable.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 08:43:14 pm
content: I'll agree with you on the durability. Aluminium is a shit material to make a computer from. Here's the corner of my 15" rMBP after 5 years...I'd rather have a plastic MacBook.Probably should buy a new one but it's still working fine (after it got a new screen!)

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 08:46:03 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on April 11, 2018, 06:47:24 pmHe does have a point, though. Apple sometimes pushes the looks so far that the functionality suffers. Metal isn't always a better material than plastic. Metal deforms where plastic springs back. Glass cracks. Hinges and mounting points are also not always engineered with a lot of room for normal wear and tear. Are one piece cases still the end-all if they flex like plastic ones? Are nice looking connectors that break and fray during regular use ideal?I'm not going to argue that Apple builds crap, because they generally don't. They don't make very solid devices either, and regularly go too far for the sake of looks. Not unlike other manufacturers.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 01:38:18 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 11, 2018, 08:46:03 pmFor many years the Apple fanboys boasted about how Samsung's plastic-cased phones were not "premium" or whatever other marketing bullshit term, because they didn't use metal and glass, and unfortunately Samsung caved in. Now a drop that would cause what used to be little more than scratches leads to a shattered phone.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 02:23:57 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 11, 2018, 11:15:10 amActually, I do this quite regularly. My company laptop, a Lenovo T460, sits in a docking station at home and then travels with me to a site and then back to the docking station. Never an issue booting up, except when I forget to unplug the USB Video card for the 3rd monitor. Sometimes it boots with it plugged in, sometimes it won't. Both my laptop and tablet are encrypted with bitlocker.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 08:18:29 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 11, 2018, 10:23:53 amReminds me of those people, who buy a 10 year old BMW 7 series, because it is so cheap. Spend almost the last cents of their pocket buying it. And when the first repair bills come in, they lose what is left, and the repair bills keep coming in. Turns out maintaining premium stuff is more expensive than other cars. What a big surprise. If you cannot afford to get your phone/car/whatever repaired, you cannot afford it period, and you need to be soft in the head to buy it.And some people still think that a car or a phone (or adidas shoes if you are russian) is a status symbol...

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 08:41:30 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on April 12, 2018, 08:18:29 amAbsolutely spot on. Never buy what you can't afford to fix or replace.Honestly "Peak ROI" in the computing space is a 2-3 year old ex-business ThinkPad. Chuck an SSD in it, new battery and some more RAM and you're in business. Will last 2 years and cost bugger all in that time and have a 33% return. Due to the progression of the technology curve slowing at the moment, it's not going to be far behind state of the art. If you bust the screen, $40. If you bust the keyboard, $30. If you destroy the whole thing, $200. Also usually comes with an integrated windows license that will quite happily take windows 10 pro.Despite defending them I'm not going to buy another Mac when I get rid of my MBP later this year. If I had nothing else to spend cash on I'd probably buy one but I could get a new DSA815 with tracking generator or a second hand Agilent unit and another T4xx Thinkpad for the price of a new MBP which I would enjoy more. Or perhaps an FT-818

author: IanMacdonald
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 08:50:05 am
content: Motor manufacturers have been doing this for a while. Previous car I had, you couldn't even change the power steering fluid tank unless it was 'initialised' with special software.Some USA states have laws against deliberate anti-repair measures which prevent components being replaced (even with genuine articles). We need one here.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 08:54:17 am
content: Yes that is thoroughly irritating. It has actually put me off buying a new car.I have actually considered buying an older Land Rover defender as at least I can maintain that myself if need be.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 09:02:41 am
content: That's what the concept of TCO was invented for, but few people understand that is the actual cost of an object. They just see the sticker price. Those are probably the same people who buy subscriptions where the first month is interestingly priced, only to get freightingly expensive the next month.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 10:00:03 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 12, 2018, 08:41:30 amWhile I agree that the Thinkpads are still decent value, I think you are painting too rosy a picture of them. I'm typing this on a T450, which falls exactly into the "two to three year old" category you mention. It works, but the screen quality, touchpad usability, and battery life would probably disappoint you if you come from a MacBook. (And that's by design, not because it is worn out.)Also, the equivalent of $200 (in Europe) will only buy you a severely run-down machine. If that's all you want to spend, expect major scratches, half the battery life, and some unpleasant surprise (bad key or touchpad or such). Also, larger companies seem to lease or depreciate computers over a three-year term in general -- so any used computer which is younger than that will likely have been retired for a reason.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 10:19:12 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 12, 2018, 08:32:28 am"Love you long time" dealfor a lousy iPhone ? Talk about -CHEAP-You don't want to be bringing that sort of trash home to meet mum and dad...

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 10:20:06 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on April 12, 2018, 10:00:03 amMy spare machine, which I'm actually typing this on now as the mac is stacked with virtual machines, is a T430 which is far older so I'm aware of the differences. However there is little productivity difference for me if I'm honest. I do all my EDA stuff on the ThinkPad as it's more convenient.This T430 I bought last year for £165 and has no sign of usage, is an i5 (good enough), 1440x900 screen, 89% original battery capacity and original charger. Chucked 8Gb of RAM in it and an SSD and it's a nice machine. Depends where you go looking really. Ebay is not the answer.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 11:03:40 am
content: Quote from: bd139 on April 12, 2018, 10:20:06 amOK, going two model generations further back (and well past the 2..3 year timeframe you mentioned earlier) will of course help with the purchase price. And sure, if the performance is still adequate for your application, there's nothing wrong with that.I certainly can be "productive" on my T450 -- at least that's what I tell my boss.But when I have to use the built-in screen for extended periods of time while travelling, I do notice that the screen on my home machine, with its higher contrast and larger viewing angle, is easier on the eyes. And in contrast to my home machine, I avoid using the T450 touchpad, and connect a mouse whenever possible.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 11:12:39 am
content: Yes I have a mouse too, but to be fair I use that on the mac as well. I just don't like touch pads.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 11:44:51 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 12, 2018, 04:30:57 amAbsolute bastards...!Incidentally if you want repairability and somewhat-standard parts plus low price, get a generic Chinese Android phone with a Mediatek SoC. Some of them do come with crapware installed but if you're willing to spend the time you can easily customise it --- they're very hackable. You can even find datasheets. For example, this is the ALS in mine:https://ams.com/eng/content/download/250283/976077/file/TMD2771_DS000177_2-00.pdf

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 01:05:48 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 12, 2018, 04:30:57 amAh, don't worry. Just like with the battery*, they will come up with a bullshit explanation of how it is necessary to have DRM on it and everybody will sheepishly continue to buy into their story.*at first I believed their spiel about the battery, but after a few reports from friends I found out how evil this turned to be.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 01:09:02 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on April 12, 2018, 11:03:40 amMy newest computer is a 2010 vintage HP Z210 SFF. My main computer is a Dell Precision T5500 with a Zeon X5570, 16GB of ram and a 1 GB video card. Vista Business era. It works great for my needs. Laptop is an HP Elitebook 8530P. Everything is Win 10 Pro 64 bit. Keeping them out of the landfill.

author: Kevman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2018, 05:59:25 pm
content: I worry about Tesla being like this for their cars, especially now that they're coming out of warranty.Literally no one sells new Tesla parts- you can only get pulls from wrecks.So the only way to get a new anything in your Tesla is to pay for Tesla service to put it in. And they refuse to touch it if its ever been serviced by anyone other than them. They won't even perform recalls if your Tesla has been deemed to be unclean.Even small stuff like lug nut covers they demand a VIN and account for.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 11:37:48 am
content: I normally can't stand Linus Sebastian but, in this video, it's hard to argue with logic. I knew Apple were bad, I had no idea it was *this* bad... How the hell is this shit allowed?...

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 11:41:44 am
content: Quote from: Kevman on April 12, 2018, 05:59:25 pmNot true, they only refuse salvaged cars.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 12:01:28 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on April 18, 2018, 11:37:48 amLooks like professional use is of the table. Support is everything.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 12:03:24 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 18, 2018, 12:01:28 pmTell that to all the universities, sound studios, graphic designers etc... using this gear.I wonder what Crapple will come up with next...

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 12:17:07 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on April 18, 2018, 12:03:24 pmI guess those will figure it out sooner or later. These organisations can't afford to have stacks of machines sitting around because no one can or will fix them.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 12:20:03 pm
content: What I'm wondering is how that seemingly little knock caused a screen, board and PSU needing to be replaced? The screen is obvious, but that sounds like a lot of damage.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 12:25:35 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 18, 2018, 12:20:03 pmWelcome to the world of disposable products. Apple devices, despite being made of metal, for the most part aren't really that robust.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 12:34:33 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on April 18, 2018, 12:25:35 pmI'm well familiar with how robust computer products tend to be, including modern compact form factor ones. That's why I was fairly surprised. Though reviewing the video it seems there may have been an assembly mistake leading to the PSU and board damage, which in turn lead to dropping the screen.

author: Distelzombie
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timestamp: April 18, 2018, 01:28:22 pm
content: But apples form factor is "flmsy", not "compact"

author: Mr. Scram
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timestamp: April 18, 2018, 01:33:40 pm
content: Quote from: Distelzombie on April 18, 2018, 01:28:22 pmPotato patato. The relevant players don't seem to differ much in this regard.

author: Distelzombie
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 18, 2018, 01:39:19 pm
content: Potota: They're atleast electrically more stable, judging by what I see is killing iMcBooks. Thanks Obama.