Cornell Dubilier - WBR capacitors why so expensive - Page 1
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author: Jester
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2020, 03:22:27 pm
content: I'm replacing most of the old electrolytic caps in an old piece of test gear and they have used a few 100uF, 50V that are quite large (1.5" x 0.5") for their value and quite expensive. BOM calls for BR100-50, the actual cap installed is a WBR100-50. This is an 85 deg C cap, 2000hr, ESR3.9, the tolerance is -10 to +150%, but nothing exotic except the price $10.In comparison Nichicon TVX1H101MAD are <$2, 1/4 of the size, similar specifications except+/-20%Or if the +150% is important an Illinois Capacitor 157TTA050M (150uF) $1.46Why are these so physically large and expensive?

author: xani
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timestamp: April 19, 2020, 04:13:58 pm
content: Quite plainly tech got better. Just make sure ESR difference doesn't matter for the place they were used and you should be golden

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2020, 04:54:00 pm
content: Do check the ripple current rating as well. A physically large capacitor will often have a higher ripple current rating, it has more mass and surface area to dissipate the power.

author: Jester
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2020, 05:04:21 pm
content: Re ripple current, I can't find the original data sheet, however the WBR 100-50 , shows 140mA@120Hz and the newer capacitors specify 220mA and 285mA, so I don't see ripple current as an issue.I have attached the schematic of the circuit, see C32, with the 3k resistors connected the ESR seems irrelevant. The other two are just bulk capacitance at input of voltage regulators.JD, good eye I should have noticed, I corrected the schematic

author: Jay_Diddy_B
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2020, 05:40:57 pm
content: Hi Jester,the polarity of the capacitor C32 is shown incorrectly. It should be negative end to the junction of R99 and R100.It is a bootstrap circuit that increase the current in R99 when the output swings towards the negative rail.Jay_Diddy_B

author: Jester
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timestamp: April 19, 2020, 06:38:38 pm
content: Quote from: Jay_Diddy_B on April 19, 2020, 05:40:57 pmGood eye, I corrected the schematic. Thanks.I'm going to go with the $1.50 capacitor, makes me wonder why anyone would spend $10 on a capacitor with inferior specifications when a Nichicon or IC is a fraction of the price?

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2020, 07:04:23 pm
content: Repairing existing equipment? Because they like the brand name? Some other characteristic? It's entirely possible that the original engineer selected a part that was not the most economical available. Cornell Dubilier is a typically expensive brand that has made a lot of high end high quality parts. Whether the cost is justified depends, it's possible that they were excellent parts when designed and now getting a bit old. It's also possible that they were not always so much more expensive, it's common when a manufacture plans to discontinue something to first increase the price to discourage its use.

author: Jester
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timestamp: April 19, 2020, 08:10:47 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on April 19, 2020, 07:04:23 pmYes, a Clarke-Hess calibrator.That makes sense, the components are all high quality and they used quite a few CDE caps.