This is nuts! a 2467BHD for $2K? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 07:15:48 pm
content: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Refurbed-Calibrated-TEKTRONIX-2467BHD-2467B-HD-OSCILLOSCOPE-1-Yr-Guaranty-BIN-/122018816905?hash=item1c68e36389:m:mztVGljBAgayxURMmNCr6_wWould anyone (in their right mind) pay that much?!Jay

author: Ice-Tea
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 07:27:37 pm
content: Depends on how you look at it: look at the price of the cheapest new 400Mhz 4ch scope you can buy.Add to that the preference of some people to have a Tek or HP over a Golden House Electronics scope or even the folks who swear by analog scopes and he may just find a buyer.I'm guessing he'll get a low offer and they'll settle around 1k or so.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 07:35:17 pm
content: Quote from: Ice-Tea on June 17, 2016, 07:27:37 pmIt isn't new! You can pick up a working Tektronix TDS500/700 series for less and you'll have a proper DSO.

author: onesixright
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 07:41:40 pm
content: And BAM: shipping 127,00 USD + import 525 USD + 2000 USD = Just a whopping USD 2.652,00Its a steal for that price

author: Ice-Tea
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 07:49:08 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on June 17, 2016, 07:35:17 pm*shrugs* I'd probably take an old HP or Tek over a new Sigilent or whatever too.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 07:57:05 pm
content: Quote from: onesixright on June 17, 2016, 07:41:40 pmYeah, but the *seller* is doing the stealing!Jay

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 07:58:45 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on June 17, 2016, 07:35:17 pmIndeed. And for HALF the price or so.Jay

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 08:02:07 pm
content: Quote from: Ice-Tea on June 17, 2016, 07:49:08 pmI would as well, I'll never own or buy one of those off-brands, but not an *analog* HP or Tek?I once thought that my 2465B was the bees knees. That was 15+ years ago.Jay

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 08:03:13 pm
content: I know nothing about the pricing of scopes, but I can't help notice that the same seller listed thishttp://www.ebay.com/itm/401133884139for $850 USD with an make offer and seller accepted $100 USD.http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=401097829262As always, buyer has do some homework.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 08:37:40 pm
content: There's no doubt that's a lot of money, but it clearly isn't intended to sell at that price. Someone who doesn't do their homework, is in a hurry, or is paranoid about losing the item to another buyer might hit Buy It Now when there's a Make Offer button.

author: Back2Volts
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 17, 2016, 10:34:28 pm
content: Well, you guys forget this one has been refurbished with gold knobs

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 18, 2016, 12:03:34 am
content: Woo! Gold knobs!

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 18, 2016, 01:23:09 am
content: Every week or 2, someone yet again is so concerned about something listed at a very high price...

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 18, 2016, 02:53:55 am
content: Yup, or excessive "shipping".

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 18, 2016, 09:05:41 am
content: Quote from: wraper on June 18, 2016, 01:23:09 amSorry. In the future, I will try not to force you to read these.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 18, 2016, 06:12:24 pm
content: LOL. Too funny, Jay. I'm sure wraper will recover...eventually.

author: razberik
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 18, 2016, 06:32:40 pm
content: Once for all - what is the trading strategy of these companies ?They store a lot of obsolete equipment and they are asking prices that were actual 20 years ago. And they keep these prices at all cost.Hobbyist won't buy it ... neither any company, because they can buy something new with some warranty and tech support.Or ... money laundering ?

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 19, 2016, 12:36:40 am
content: For $2K, I don't expect a lot of money laundering will be going on - but I could be wrong.Remember, it only takes ONE buyer who will put up the money for it - and there could be a hundred reasons for someone doing so. The odds aren't good in finding someone like that, but they're not zero.Then there is the possibility that the seller is delusional and/or has no idea of what a fair market value actually is for the gear.

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 19, 2016, 12:41:29 am
content: The real problem is free/dirt-cheap listing fees. The reason sellers post goofy auctions like this is because they have no reason not to. It's all upside from their point of view.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 19, 2016, 01:34:21 am
content: With such a fee structure, a lot of bargain stuff simply would not make it onto many of these platforms.Certainly, you need to keep your wits about you - but they do provide useful sales channels.My beef is with a category being flooded with the same product dozens, or even hundreds, of times - and they avoid the auto-detection by adding a group of 3 or 4 random and totally irrelevant characters in the title. EBay is terrible for this - but they seem to let a lot of Chinese sellers get away with it.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 19, 2016, 02:52:02 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on June 17, 2016, 07:35:17 pmEr, well, I'd gladly take a Rigol over a TDS of the same capability. I'd rather take the analog scope! The interface is better!Tim

author: razberik
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 20, 2016, 08:01:27 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on June 19, 2016, 12:36:40 amI wrote this hypothesis regarding czech and slovak law. It is very common here to run a unprofitable business to hide dirty activities.Another story are private sellers without a common sense. They are trying to sell valueless stuff for unreal prices and they are trying to do so for months or years ... I noticed a few times upset writing to bazaar portals "I am surrounded by idiots and nobody knows real value of my goods. I give up you scum !"Completely different situation is about ultra audio hifi stuff. Increasing prices decrease time of listing items.

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 20, 2016, 04:44:14 pm
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on June 19, 2016, 02:52:02 amAnd the 2465/2467 scopes are the worst of both worlds. They're analog scopes with small, fuzzy CRTs and laggy digital controls. In the 2467's case you also get the world's most obnoxious screensaver (which to be fair does a good job of protecting the extremely sensitive MCP CRT.)They're very capable scopes, of course, but if you had a 2467 on your bench next to a newer Rigol model, my guess is you'd reach for the latter more often than the former. Paying $2000 for a 2467 is hard to justify these days unless you're just really into those particular scopes on a personal level, which some people are, Not That There's Anything Wrong With That.

author: guido
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 20, 2016, 10:50:03 pm
content: Kinda agree, allthough i use a 2465 most as i don't have a modern digital scope (yet?). It boots faster than my old digital scopesBut i don't agree with the laggy controls. Mostly i don't notice the fly-by-wire at all. Same for an Iwatsu analog scope with digital controls i have here.

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 21, 2016, 02:06:49 am
content: Quote from: guido on June 20, 2016, 10:50:03 pmLaggy isn't really the right word, but I'm not sure what is. There's a feeling you get when you adjust various controls (especially intensity, which ought to be as "analog" as it gets) that just... isn't right somehow.

author: guido
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 21, 2016, 06:48:37 pm
content: Intensity is hopeless. Have to agree there. But that is mostly about the crazy arrangement with the centre off.But I also think it is not working as good as when the scope was new.

author: wkb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2016, 08:50:48 pm
content: Quote from: KE5FX on June 20, 2016, 04:44:14 pm2465/2467 are among the finest portable Teks produced. I can tell you that I use the 2465 more than the Rigol (low spec, admitted).$2k is nonsense of course.