Why Forth users so agressive? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 05:17:28 am
content: HiIt's old tech from before 70sBut C and AVR are far superior and funIt is so funny and EASY to solder and program AVR nowBut every time I discuss AVR projects I`m curious about agressive Forth usersIs Forth a sect?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 06:41:50 am
content: So, we should call you 002 now?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 06:58:28 am
content: HiIt's old tech from before 10sBut C and AVR are far superior and funIt is so funny and EASY to solder and program AVR nowBut every time I discuss AVR projects I`m curious about agressive Rust/Pascal/Python/KiCAD/Altium/<insert whatever> usersIs Rust/Pascal/Python/KiCAD/Altium/<insert whatever> a sect?...short answer... lack of the bigger picture... only reading some small amount of materials... ignoranceness = aggresiveness/fanboyism... since the arduino sect has taken form, i lost interest in posting there. but this has nothing to do with specific language or technicalities, but its the human traits/behaviour and their level of knowledge, ymmv.

author: TJ232
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 08:03:22 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on August 25, 2019, 05:17:28 amOK, so we had "Why Arduino users so agressive?", now Forth, what's next?"Is pure binary machine code black magic?""Assembler language for purists?""The purity of the OCTAL Church?""The divine origin of ZERO?"Paganism of Java developers?""Is burning the ADA witches a good thing?"

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 08:09:24 am
content: Exactly.Just to be clear, this topic is a satire to a trolling topic with a similar title.

author: techman-001
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 08:50:21 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on August 25, 2019, 06:41:50 amHahahahaha !I'm promoting you to a 2N3772 now!

author: techman-001
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 08:57:20 am
content: Quote from: TJ232 on August 25, 2019, 08:03:22 amOh GOD! don't tell me the ADA Witches are back??They're so scary in their black dresses and pointy black hats going around in groups chanting all that safety critical source code!

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 09:33:29 am
content: Quote from: TJ232 on August 25, 2019, 08:03:22 amLOL

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 09:44:42 am
content: Quote from: techman-001 on August 25, 2019, 08:57:20 amemmm emmm *cough* *cough*, I am not an "ADA Witch", even because I am a "he", but if SPARK:ADA=MISRA:C, then I do ADA black-magic for a living as well I do C black-magic for the same purpose.scared stiff?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 09:45:20 am
content: Quote from: techman-001 on August 25, 2019, 08:50:21 amMuch obliged!!Off I go to buy myself a bigger heatsink....Regards,Sinisa

author: techman-001
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 09:53:24 am
content: Quote from: legacy on August 25, 2019, 09:44:42 amOnly of ADA Witches, ADA Warlocks are okBesides, I have my Forth spells for protection

author: TJ232
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 10:57:29 am
content: Quote from: techman-001 on August 25, 2019, 08:57:20 amI've spotted one about a week ago, exactly in the dark moon night, what a coincidence!I cannot confirm 100% because of the dark night, but it was looking almost as my 30 years ago uni LISP teacher.Strange enough because anybody knows that Lisp Became God's Own Programming Language!https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/eternal-flame.en.html

author: hamster_nz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 11:32:54 am
content: Quote from: techman-001 on August 25, 2019, 09:53:24 amDon't you mean:"I my have spells protection for Forth" ?

author: Jan Audio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2019, 02:23:29 pm
content: Life is to short to read this.

author: KL27x
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 02:17:11 am
content: I don't get how you compare programming languages but throw AVR in there. AVR isn't a language. OP of the original thread, anyhow.LOL at all the activity he started. The only Forth user I know of... since yesterday... has been very enthusiastic, I'll say. But the other thread has been completely civil, IMO, unless you go out of your way looking for slights between the lines.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 05:49:43 am
content: One of my favourite games,Starflight, was written in Forth in 1986.Also,Open Firmware(AKA OpenBoot) was one of the saner platform-independent BIOS approaches, and used a variant of Forth compiled to bytecode (which was trivial to interpret/run).However, I've never met anyone aggressive about Forth. (Perhapsfrustratedwith it, as it may be a bit hard to grok at first, but not aggressive.)

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 06:13:25 am
content: Quote from: TJ232 on August 25, 2019, 10:57:29 amAhem, this has been refuted a while ago.https://xkcd.com/224/I know of only one piece of LISP code running in the wild. A certain reddit clone which needed to add awkward pagination of threads in 2016 because the software went down under load every time somebody mentioned Donald Trump

author: KL27x
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 09:43:14 am
content: QuoteThe only animations were blinking dots, as I recall. It was mostly a text game with some 4 color still art.I tried to get it to run on an emulator some decade or two ago, but I failed.I happened to give my pilot 17 dexterity, instead of 20. And then I found the lab halfway through, where you can increase any stat by up to 3, and 20 was the max, anyway. This is the best drama a little kid could have accidentally created for himself.Forget piloting. Ground battle sick mode unleashed. Vibroblade at 20 dex was like waving a light saber at a popsicle. Ice tigers and raiders? Just another walk in the park. To hoard ammo, I gave the expensive assault rifle to my engineer, who would only fire 1 shot before going into a coma.edit:Doh.. no that was a different game. I did quite like this one, too. I don't think there was any animation, at all, in this. Hmm. IIRC, the other game I can't remember came out a few months before Starflight, same year, probably. Starflight... super large universe filled with great stuff to find. Like the word "obelisk." Yea! You'd find these super rare things, and all it is is a word in your inventory of other words that 6-yr-olds don't know the meaning of. Then you'd find another obelisk, and now you'd have two of "obelisk." Great!Ok, I was probably too young to fully appreciate this game.

author: techman-001
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 10:04:56 am
content: Quote from: magic on August 26, 2019, 06:13:25 amBWAHAHAAHA!!!That's incredibly funny to a LISP programmer"MY GOD IT'S FULL OF 'car'S"(from the 1968 film "2001: A Space Odyssey")

author: techman-001
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 10:17:21 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on August 26, 2019, 05:49:43 amA bit hard to grok at first ?Forth was so different to me that it took me about 27 years to get around to looking into it and about a year after that for the "AHA" light bulb to appear over my head.Before I started learning Forth in 2014 I had taught myself Machine Code, Assembly, Basic, Pascal, C, Python, and Perl.I still consider myself a Forth neophyte.

author: techman-001
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 10:20:32 am
content: Quote from: hamster_nz on August 25, 2019, 11:32:54 amDo you mean ?protection? IF have spells ELSE no spells THEN ?

author: techman-001
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 10:26:47 am
content: Quote from: Jan Audio on August 25, 2019, 02:23:29 pmThanks for sharing ... why are you here and not polishing your gold plated, oxygen free, copper loud speaker wire as usual ?

author: techman-001
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 26, 2019, 10:34:20 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on August 25, 2019, 09:45:20 amHahah, classic!I have some awesome heatsinks from yesteryear, my favorites are triangle shaped so four can be fitted into a square shape with a fan at one end.These are gold anodized with smaller fins extruded into the larger fins much like a fractal or snowflake. I bet they are better than 0.1C/Watt.These days the junk that passes as 'heatsinks' out of China is amazing. I think they grade them with color, perhaps the bright purple anodized ones are more efficient than the plain black ones ?

author: Kartman
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2019, 09:54:06 am
content: Next is “why are rust users so aggressive”? I dare say the grumpy old forth users have jumped on the rust bandwagon.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2019, 09:59:41 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on August 25, 2019, 05:17:28 amI think that's mostly because they're used to typing in all caps

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2019, 04:04:51 pm
content: Quote from: Kartman on August 29, 2019, 09:54:06 amThere is a dedicated thread about Rust in the Programming section. Not sure you'll get much luck if you ask this in it though.Taking a look at this:https://users.rust-lang.org/is interesting though.