I need an expansion device that may or may not exist - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Ground_Loop
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 01:47:14 am
content: I have a win XP32 SP3 installation on a desktop machine MSI MS-7366 v1 MOBO. Of course it only has USB 1.0. I'm looking for a device that I can plug into an open SATA port that will produce one or more USB 2.0/3.0 ports on the other end. I'm not interested in any discussion about available slots, system status dumps, my intended use, etc. I just want to know if something like this exists and, if so, where.

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 01:53:46 am
content: it does not

author: sokoloff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 01:53:55 am
content: SATA to USB doesn't exist in all likelihood.Your motherboard has other expansion slots, both PCI and PCIe, both of which can support a modern USB card in those slots.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 02:04:48 am
content: I have certainly never heard of such a thing, and cannot imagine there would be enough demand to justify designing and marketing it.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 02:13:34 am
content: You cannot do anything besides storage device over SATA. Best case it could be some weirdo adapter (which I'm not aware of) into which you can plug USB flash.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 02:28:09 am
content: Quote from: Ground_Loop on January 05, 2020, 01:47:14 amWhich of course is bullshit, it has USB 2.0. There are no motherboards which have USB 1.x and SATA. USB 1.x was gone before SATA appeared. For USB 1.x you need something not newer than earliest Pentium 4 motherboard, and even those had a few USB 2.0 ports together with 1.1.You don't want to discuss but at the same time don't know shit about computer in your hands.

author: Ground_Loop
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 02:39:11 am
content: Settle down Skippy. You are correct the board has 4 usb2.0 ports on the rear and two board headers that are not currently operating in what XP calls high speed mode. Apologies for offending the PC god. Nonetheless, I'd still like to know if something like this exits. But at this point it looks doubtful.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 02:40:05 am
content: https://soggi.org/motherboards/msi-oem/MS-7336-VER-1.0.htm

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 02:43:41 am
content: Quote from: Ground_Loop on January 05, 2020, 02:39:11 amSounds unlikely to be motherboard failure. More likely that something that you try to connect is so old that it does not support USB 2.0, hence windows shows you message about that. In any case you can plug PCI or PCI-E USB card into this motherboard.

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 03:45:12 am
content: You can not convert a SATA port into a USB port.If you need more USB ports, you can buy either a USB controller - you have PCI (the big white slot at the bottom of the board) and you also have 2 pci-e x1 slotsHere's a card that has 5 usb ports and has drivers even for Windows 98 :https://www.newegg.com/syba-model-sd-via-5u-pci-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815124007Drivers are here, if they're not in the package (scroll to the bottom and click on file name VIA_USB2_V258p3-L.zip (10.3 MB) ) :https://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=229230Lots of pci-e x1 usb controllers ... but you'll have to make sure the usb controller chip has windows xp drivers.Other than this... I agree with everyone else that it's unlikely to be motherboard failure... worst case scenario you have a crap driver installed or maybe the usb port is going bad.Of course, there's also the option of buying a socket 775 motherboard, you can still buy new unused ones.

author: Ground_Loop
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 04:17:10 am
content: This is exactly the discussion I tried to preemptively stop. I’m aware of the slots and their colors and all the cards I can get. They are full. I just wanted to know if this thing exists. I’ll be fine without it. The question has been as been adequately answered. Thank you and the others for your replies.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 06:23:23 am
content: If all your PCI slots are full there *is* something you could get to fix that if your bios supports itYou can get a splitter to turn your one x16 PCI slot into two separate 8x slots. Or one 8x and two 4x etc..You would have to figure out how to mount cards at a weird angle, but you would have room for extra PCI cards, like a USB card.Your graphics card would run fine in a 8x slot, just without as much bandwidth.It's called PCI-e bifurcationSee herehttps://blog.donbowman.ca/2017/10/06/pci-e-bifurcation-explained/

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 10:46:37 am
content: Quote from: Ground_Loop on January 05, 2020, 04:17:10 amYou asked completely wrong question. What you should ask is "why USB ports don't operate in high speed mode". Of course if you want to fix your problem instead of doing stupid workarounds.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 12:55:18 pm
content: The irony would be if he then wanted to plug an external SATA 3 HDD into that USB connection, go full inception on it.

author: Ground_Loop
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 01:16:16 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on January 05, 2020, 10:46:37 amNope, I asked exactly the question I wanted and it was answered. And similar to many "computer" guys, it apparently offends you that I really, really, really don't want your advise. I was simply responding to a casual thought that occurred to me as I was dinking on this computer. Honestly, if I saw such a device advertised somewhere I'd probably think it was a silly solution looking for a problem. Now just take a breath and let it go.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 05, 2020, 01:31:59 pm
content: Quote from: Ground_Loop on January 05, 2020, 01:16:16 pmYour question contained error to begin with. You said that motherboard has USB 1.0 and you need 2.0. From that one can make conclusion you don't know what you are doing. On my side, I can say there are tons of people who ask wrong question about something they decided should supposedly fix their problem. Then get offended when pointed to that, and asking about what they want to achieve to begin with. And keep digging pit, from which they want to get out, even deeper. "Hey, we'll throw you rope so you can get out" -"Thanks, but no thanks, I'll keep digging, exit should be close".

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2020, 11:03:04 pm
content: I don't know if this will be of any help but I use some Belkin F5L009 network USB 2 hubs which just a rebanded Silex but the max throughput is under 100mbps and Silex do gigabit models.Quote from: Psi on January 05, 2020, 06:23:23 amI have seen them before but I didn't know they were called.The HP G5 DL380 has something like that but I thought it was non standard.HP 408788-001 ProLiant DL380 G5 PCI-X Riser CardI 'll have to check to see if the slot dimensions and pins are the same size and the controller.

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2020, 11:41:44 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on January 06, 2020, 11:03:04 pmThat's a PCI-X riser, PCI-X is 64 bit PCI (conventional pci), not pci express.PCI-E bifurcation requires chipset and bios support as far as I know, it doesn't work on any board.There are also adapter boards which have a pci-e to pci bridge chip, so you can convert one pci-e x1 slot into multiple pci slots.ex. pci-e x1 to 2 x pci :https://www.amazon.com/Taidda-Stable-Extend-Adapter-WIN2000/dp/B083F8QW6B/Considering a single pci-e slot has 250 MB/s (pci-e 1.0) , 500 MB/s (pci-e 2.0) or ~970 MB/s (pci-e 3.0) of bandwidth, a pci-e -> pci bridge chip will have plenty of bandwidth for 2+ slots (each 32bit slot has 133 MB/s max. bandwidth)There's also pci-e to multiple pci-e boards, ex pci-e x1 to 4 x pci-e x1 :https://www.amazon.com/Cablecc-Express-Switch-Multiplier-Splitter/dp/B073QNW3L9/These are sold under various brands, they're all clones of same product. they were popular during the mining craze, as it allowed running multiple video cards with cheap motherboards.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2020, 12:49:19 am
content: Quote from: mariush on January 06, 2020, 11:41:44 pmSorry about that, misleading photo... The riser that came with it doesn't have any PCI-X slots, it's all PCI-E slots. See picture but I knew the one on there was more likely non standard anyway.It reminds me of something I have brought many years but never for round to using it.Got it, an EXP GDC "Laptop External Graphics Adapter Dock". Beast written on the PCB.A PCI-E 16 slot, 12v jack in, 8 pin power in and 6 pin power out, a HDMI cable that plugs into a expresscard slot and a USB port for something.That Taidda Dual PCI Riser looks good I could use that for my workshop.I have seen similar ones selling on Ebay for mining gear and 1KW power supplies to go with them that were very cheap but I wouldn't trust those.

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 07, 2020, 01:19:36 pm
content: Quote from: Ground_Loop on January 05, 2020, 02:39:11 amCould well be the cable that breaks out the header into 1 or 2 USB ports isn't good enough for USB2.0.I have the same problem with such a cable.