Neoden7 pick and place - Page 1
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author: Marmes
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2018, 05:02:19 am
content: Hi!Does anyone has detailed information about neoden7 pick and place machine?

author: Smallsmt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2018, 07:15:04 am
content: I know it has- 6 heads- belt machine- conveyor included- really fast- flying vision- 64 CL feeder cassettes- price tag around 15000usd

author: Marmes
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2018, 08:40:41 am
content: Very similar to xy smt-660. At least in shape.

author: Smallsmt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2018, 03:01:07 pm
content: Quote from: Marmes on November 12, 2018, 08:40:41 amSMT-660 is similar machine I think build by Wenzhou Zhengbang Electronic Equipment Co., Ltd!

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2018, 04:12:22 am
content: https://youtu.be/tOTeyoiaPmMI don't know if I trust chinese machines for production grade.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 11:01:50 am
content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXegI7XrC9Y&feature=youtu.be&a=Not clear how vision is working - you can see the occasional green flash, and there seems to be a mirrror strip in front of the feeders

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 11:25:24 am
content: Looking more closely, it does seem like it's using a down-facing camera ( per nozzle presumably), with flash illuminator and mirror - a rather elegant way to do flying vision without the complication of flipping a mirror under the nozzle.

author: SMTech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 12:35:15 pm
content: Some of the bigger multi-nozzle machines use a mirror and multiple cameras too, as did Dima on their MP machine. Laser alignment (Juki) also tends to be on the head and machines with turret/rotary heads do to. That usually means they are forced to use a fixed camera for parts that are tall or wide or fine pitch, IIRC I have seen some (in video form only) where an upward looking camera rides on the gantry which in turn runs on rails below the PCB, that means its always straight in front of the feeder being picked from.

author: Smallsmt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2018, 12:46:02 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on November 26, 2018, 11:01:50 amIt has flying vision system using fixed mirrors.

author: Marmes
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 03:16:24 am
content: SMT660 or QiHe machines still look better.

author: AJ Quick
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 03:44:13 am
content: Is it limited to really small part heights like the other Neoden machines?

author: Reckless
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 04:05:00 am
content: I dont trust it for production runs. May work for 1 week before issues start to develop. I am just surprised its taking 30 years for china to make chinese copies of japanese machines.

author: Smallsmt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 10:40:43 am
content: Quote from: Marmes on November 27, 2018, 03:16:24 amOur VP-2800HP-CL64 does the same job at better precision!We addd the 3 zone conveyor system soon.- no flying vison- 4 heads system only+ ball screw spindle system using ac servos and encoder for absolute position.

author: Smallsmt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2018, 10:41:36 am
content: Quote from: AJ Quick on November 27, 2018, 03:44:13 amI search the specification for you in the evening.

author: Smallsmt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 08:00:37 am
content: I am sorry can't find information about max part height.Working area is 630x300mmPlacement range from 0402 to 40x40mmPin Pitch >= 0.4mmX/Y axis resolution 0.01mmPlacement rate 14000cph / 8500cph

author: Chuleo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 06:38:29 pm
content: As per their website, the Neoden7 can place 10mm high parts.http://www.neoden.net/products_details.html?pid=1673887&_t=1542964351I just hope the software is not as crappy as the Neoden4's software.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 06:44:38 pm
content: Quote from: Chuleo on November 28, 2018, 06:38:29 pmI wonder if 10mm is with or without route planning, I.e. is it really 20mm clearance?Also interesting that they're only claiming 0402 - seems odd that a new machine wouldn't support 0201, though this may be a limitation of their sketchy feeders

author: Smallsmt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2018, 10:21:25 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on November 28, 2018, 06:44:38 pmIt depends on belt drive limitation!They use common CL feeder.

author: Gunnar
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 02, 2019, 08:10:53 pm
content: Hello commuty,Last week I wrote neoden to her new machinebecause of the software, which is catastrophic already at neoden4!Joyce from neoden told me that the software has not changed.Since I already had some problems, I will not do the project neoden7continue to pursue.Too bad the neoden offers no data converter as other manufacturers have been doing for a long time,only then does it make sense to sell the machine to ems provider as we are.Let's see what the other manufacturers offer

author: charliex
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2019, 08:55:07 pm
content: i got a new build a week or two ago. 4.1.3 B7, which was newer than the one we had

author: Tonny-NeoDen
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2019, 08:02:06 am
content: Hi Everybody,Thank you for your attention and support on NeoDen Tech's products.1.The NeoDen7 can handle 10mm height components directly without any custom work,you should do route planning work if the component over 10mm height,Neoden7 z-axis max moving limit is 20mm.2.NeoDen7 was using flying vision with fixed mirrors,which can support take photos after picking up components on the feeder immediately.In this method,can help reduce the route distance and ensure fast CPH.Any more questions,feel free contact to us via email,tks.Best Regards,Tonny-Neoden

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2019, 08:40:50 am
content: what does a N7 sell for?

author: Smallsmt
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2019, 09:49:43 am
content: Quote from: mrpackethead on January 05, 2019, 08:40:50 am90000RMB