7% of Brazilians believe in a Flat Earth - Page 1
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author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 08:13:37 pm
content: Oh good, we're going back to the Dark Ages. It's been such a hoot the last time around.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/06/brazil-flat-earth-conference-terra-plana

author: bsfeechannel
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timestamp: November 07, 2019, 09:08:47 pm
content: These guys are a bunch of losers. Everyone knows that the flat universe is the New Bossa.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2019, 09:41:13 pm
content: Bigger problem is: 84% of people on this planet believe in "the man in the sky". And it is 93% if you exclude China and Japan.

author: magic
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timestamp: November 07, 2019, 09:48:56 pm
content: That's because to 90% of people it simply makes no practical difference whatsoever which shape the planet is and what's in the sky.

author: Gyro
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timestamp: November 07, 2019, 09:54:07 pm
content: QuoteI was wondering why the Brazilian rainforest was getting flattened.

author: Halcyon
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timestamp: November 07, 2019, 10:25:47 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on November 07, 2019, 09:41:13 pmThose figures surprise me. In 2016, 30.1% of Australians identified as being non-religious (up from 25.3% in the previous Census). That also doesn't include those people who merely "identify" as being of a certain religion simply because that's how their parents raised them, not because they go to church or believe in any kind of god.I wouldn't be surprised if that figure is closer to 40% by the 2021 Census.

author: golden_labels
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timestamp: November 08, 2019, 02:36:02 am
content: “Man in the sky” by itself is not a huge problem, as it is a part of “why?” — the question for religion, not science.Flat Earthis an answer to the “how?” — the question for reason. And flatearthers are rejecting the best known method of reasoning.Do you want another reason to smash your head against a wall?How many people believe humans evolved from other species?

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: November 08, 2019, 03:15:02 am
content: Quote from: golden_labels on November 08, 2019, 02:36:02 amWell, I always take those surveys with a pinch of salt. But like with the flat Earth thing, the view on evolution in a given country seems pretty strongly related to the relative importance of religion in said country. So this is not very surprising at all.Contrary to what you may have implied above, the why and how for those topics are strongly related for many people.

author: george.b
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timestamp: November 08, 2019, 05:10:39 am
content: As a Brazilian, I'm quite surprised.I thought that figure would be higher.

author: golden_labels
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timestamp: November 08, 2019, 05:16:45 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 08, 2019, 03:15:02 amWhy? The sample size is over 44 thousand people (approx. 1.3k/country), which is nice size. If you are afraid of trolls: they are on both sides, so they mostly nullify each other, and the reminder is unlikely to be huge — ­even with extreme values like 10% the general image on this chart is not changed. The trolls are expected to reject evolution(citation needed), so there would be a negative correlation between that and “not sure” if they would inflate the anti-evolution camp numbers. But we clearly have the opposite. I see no reason to not believe that survey unless proven wrong.Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 08, 2019, 03:15:02 amThe very same research doesn’t support that. First of all, there is a difference between US and European countries in correlation between various factors and the answers, which means that there is no single, one-factor model suitable for the whole world. For US the main factor seems to be the hijacking of the discussion by politicians — which, unsurprisingly, is the expected primary factor not only for accepting evolution. While in US there is solid correlation between fundamentalist religious views and rejection of evolution, it is not covering non-fundamentalists, it is much weaker in Europe and there is a known causative relation that goes from politics to religious views which explains the correlation. Finally, everywhere there is correlation between literacy and rejection of evolution, which — again — has known causative relation associated with it.(1)Anyway, let’s see the data. For all the countries from this research, I have charted percentage of evolution supporters and the corresponding percentage of religious people. Data based on CIA Factbook, with the exception of Denmark, for which I used whatever Wikipedia provided. 3 countries marked with red squares, Denmark included, have uncertain data due to various factors.(2)The only thing that clearly increases with the amount of religious people is variance.Do not oversimplify things. In particular things as complex and having as many mutual dependencies and feedback loops with other subjects as religion does.____(1)Literacy is a proxy for education, which increases amount of scientifically proven knowledge compared to knowledge of other kind. You may try to disprove the last statement though, as I don’t really recall ever seeing any research that would confirm that — it is taken for granted that education has that effect.(2)E.g. Turkey, depending on the source used, varies between 0% (unrealistic official data) to 13%, and those values may or may not include or miss people who should be counted as non-religious.

author: magic
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timestamp: November 08, 2019, 07:29:53 am
content: Quote from: golden_labels on November 08, 2019, 05:16:45 amBecause the religious answer "no" and the atheists answer "yes"In America the question "do you believe in evolution" really means "do you want to bake cakes for homosexuals and have your children indoctrinated into socialism" and stuff like that.Due to the 1st amendment, religion is tightly tied into politics and while I have no doubt that many Christians genuinely believe in things like Young Earth Creationism and Flat Earth, half of them wouldn't believe if they had no immediate motivation and local social pressure for that. There is simply no reason to believe those things, as evidenced by plenty of Christians in Eastern Europe who wouldn't even think of any of that.It's just the way America works

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 08, 2019, 02:16:09 pm
content: Before they lock it...in my experience there is no true religion without reason, nor true reason without religion.That said I disappear from here, I have a lot to fix on my bench.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2019, 07:54:01 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on November 08, 2019, 05:16:45 amSociology is a soft science. It should never be taken at face value IMO. I actually think all surveys should be taken with a pinch of salt, there are known bias effects however large your sample size. We're not dealing with an objective measurement here. And surveys dealing with controversial/sensitive/political... topics are particularly subject to biases.Expressing your opinion with a limited number of options has been known to introduce biases for a long time. This is well known with voting, as an example (refer to Condorcet paradox for instance).So yeah, I definitely don't put much trust in surveys. They are entertaining, but we should be cautious concluding anything from them.Quote from: golden_labels on November 08, 2019, 05:16:45 amThe percentage of religious people? It's a figure that is notoriously hard to get right. In some countries, it's even against the law to gather any statistics on that. So I'm also pretty wary of those figures. They are estimations at best. But anyway, what I said about "the importance" of religion in a country is not necessarily directly linked to the number of religious people. It's about the place of religion in society in general. For instance, I consider the place of religion in the US society to be much more prevalent than in most western countries, and I'm not even sure there are more "religious" people.To me, the list of countries in the posted graph seems to me like a rather relevant classification of the importance of religion in them, but I admit it's more a general impression (based on what I know about them) than on hard figures, which again are really hard to get and trust anyway...All that said, you'll have a pretty hard time convincing me that religion and the view on evolution are separate things.Same with flat earth.Oh, and back to the topic, for those ready for this (I warned you), you can take a look there:https://forum.tfes.org/

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2019, 09:06:33 pm
content: - "As for that," said Waldenshare, "sensible men are all of the same religion."- "Pray, what is that?" inquired the Prince.- "Sensible men never tell."- Benjamin Disraeli (1804 – 1881), Endymion (ch. LXXXI), borrowed from Sir Anthony Ashley Cooper (1st? Lord Shaftesbury)

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2019, 10:02:44 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 08, 2019, 07:54:01 pmThat figure is not that hard to acquire and legal obstacles are… well… only obstacles. The problem is that it is quite misleading, because what “religious” means depends on specific culture(1), and on top of that there are different shades of religiousness — that may even be a multidmensonal variable.And I do agree with that. But, I would like to point out, it is not me who makes claims about simple connection between “people being religious” and “believing in flat Earth”.____(1)Try comparing the mix of Shinto and various shades of Buddhism in Japan with the diverse spectrum of Roman Catholicism in Poland.

author: Gregg
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timestamp: November 08, 2019, 11:39:39 pm
content: Those who like to ride whatever bandwagon they have chosen, can’t help but announce their point of view to anyone else; especially those who may have a different viewpoint. And the desire to convert everyone else is overwhelming.Surveys generally are skewed from the start by how the questions are worded and the people that choose to respond; those who want to convert everyone are more likely to respond to a survey than those who prefer to be left alone. Survey takers on the street are more likely to be biased than the general public and may choose people that they think will respond favorably to their point of view.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2019, 07:27:22 pm
content: I am reminded of an old Peanuts strip.Charlie Brown is in class and the teacher says in old times they believed ridiculous things, like, they believed the world was flat!Charlie Brown starts laughing hysterically. "Ha, ha, ha! In old times they believed the world was flat! How ridiculous!"After a pause and collecting himself he asks... "So, what do we believe nowadays?".I wish I could find it.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2019, 07:50:01 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on November 08, 2019, 10:02:44 pmSo yes, you are just stating that, as I said, it is hard to getright. I didn't say hard to acquire. You can acquire any figure you want, especially when it means nothing.Quote from: golden_labels on November 08, 2019, 10:02:44 pmI was clearly saying that I was not even basing this on precise figures (which as we said are really to take with a pinch of salt), but on a very rough classification.Making a connection between religion and flat Earth or evolution is kinda obvious, at least from a cultural POV. It doesn't take a Nobel prize to figure that out, and I'd be puzzled if anyone tried to even deny this.Now obviously there areother factors,I didn't say otherwise. I don't quite agree it's an "oversimplification", but it's clearly a simplification. Reality is more nuanced and probably more subtle, but my point is that those nuances are almost impossible to get with any kind of survey anyway. So yeah, the topic of the survey itself is a simplification, and I simplified the link with religion.

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: November 12, 2019, 07:50:35 pm
content: Quote from: Gregg on November 08, 2019, 11:39:39 pmExactly.

author: soldar
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timestamp: November 12, 2019, 08:59:18 pm
content: You have two options. Do you choose option A or option B?

author: Avacee
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timestamp: November 12, 2019, 10:08:15 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 12, 2019, 07:50:35 pmSir Humphrey would have surveys done showing the other 93% also believed in a flat earth as well as a round earth, a square earth, a doughnut shaped earth and that we're really supported by 4 elephants atop a giant turtle.

author: chris_leyson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2019, 11:32:05 pm
content: Surveying is either plane or geodetic. Plane surveying asumes a flat earth and curvature of the earth is neglected. All triangles formed by joining survey lines are considered as plane triangles. It is employed for small survey works where errors due to the earth's shape are too small to matter. In geodetic surveying the curvature of the earth is taken into account while calculating reduced levels, angles, bearings and distances. This type of surveying is usually employed for large survey works.Survey works up to 100 square miles (260 square kilometers ) are treated as plane and beyond that are treated as geodetic.Maybe 99.99% of surveyors believe the Earth is round but treat it as flat.

author: Sal Ammoniac
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timestamp: November 12, 2019, 11:49:30 pm
content: Quote from: magic on November 08, 2019, 07:29:53 amThat's a simplistic (and mostly wrong) argument.Very few religious people in America believe in flat earth--it's mostly two kinds who do: nutjobs and people who claim to just to be silly. In either case, the numbers are quite small.Creationism, on the other hand, is entirely different as belief in it is widespread. It's typically only the fundamentalist types who accept it, however. Many of the mainstream religions don't, but the fundamentalists are the squeaky wheels who get all the headlines. One of the biggest and most well-known young-earth creationists isn't even an American (Ken Ham, who's Australian). This is the guy responsible for the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter (a $100M full-size replica of Noah's ark).

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: November 13, 2019, 01:00:21 am
content: Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on November 12, 2019, 11:49:30 pmThis is interesting. Maybe partly due to its very "liberal" nature, the US has fostered all kinds of very weird theories that have gotten traction, and it indeed looks like many actually were devised by non-american-born people. I guess that's the price of success.

author: Cyberdragon
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timestamp: November 13, 2019, 01:22:24 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 13, 2019, 01:00:21 amWe're gonna need a bigger wall.

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: November 13, 2019, 02:32:36 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on November 13, 2019, 01:22:24 amYou should think about it!

author: ebclr
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timestamp: November 13, 2019, 03:26:27 am
content: "I was wondering why the Brazilian rainforest was getting flattened."It's some centuries later than UK rainforest getting flattened

author: jesuscf
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timestamp: November 15, 2019, 09:23:45 pm
content: Also, 50% of people have below average intelligence. That is an indisputable fact.

author: Gyro
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timestamp: November 15, 2019, 09:32:47 pm
content: Quote from: ebclr on November 13, 2019, 03:26:27 amWe never had a rainforest, wrong climate (though we might get a suitable one before long!).

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: November 15, 2019, 09:39:53 pm
content: Quote from: Gyro on November 15, 2019, 09:32:47 pmIt may get flattened before even existing though.

author: soldar
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timestamp: November 15, 2019, 10:50:40 pm
content: Quote from: jesuscf on November 15, 2019, 09:23:45 pmStatistics not your strong suit, huh? It is not "indisputable fact". That is the definition of "median", not "average". It is not only possible but also most likely for more than 50% to be above or below average.In Lake Wobegone all the children are above average.

author: jesuscf
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timestamp: November 16, 2019, 02:00:53 am
content: Quote from: soldar on November 15, 2019, 10:50:40 pm1) I don't know man, according to this web pagehttps://www.lexico.com/en/definition/averagethe definition of average is:"A number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number."2) It is a joke. Chill down.

author: eti
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timestamp: November 16, 2019, 04:32:05 am
content: 67.91882% of statistics were randomly generated by /dev/urandom, or so I am told.

author: tom66
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timestamp: November 16, 2019, 08:40:54 am
content: Relevant:https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2019, 04:34:57 pm
content: Whereas the median would be the right value here, I've read that the IQ itself was once devised as a measurement such that the median and average values (being 100 for a given population by initial definition) would be very close to one another (with a disclaimer, I'm no specialist of IQ). Keep in mind the tests themselves were initially devised for a specific population; not to apply the exact same tests worldwide. So I think that by definition, 100 should have ALWAYS been the average (and close to the median) for ANY population, because it was what it was supposed to measure! (Thus something pretty relative.)Now that we compare IQs between different populations with standardized and similar tests, this has of course completely changed, and with the current way we use IQ tests, there is no reason to think the median and average are going to be the same; they often are not. Just a thought.

author: Zero999
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timestamp: November 16, 2019, 09:42:53 pm
content: This doesn't surprise me. There are plenty of people who are sensible and fairly well educated who believe in something not backed up by modern science. For example, agood number of people on this forum believe waving two metal rods around can locate water, better than chance. I also know for a fact there are a good number of climate change deniers here and I'm pretty sure quite a few members of this forum believe in God.Don't get me wrong, I'm not lumping those who believe in any region into the same castigatory as climate change deniers, or those who fall for woo-woo such as dowsing. Having faith in the supernatural isn't always a bad thing, as long as it doesn't negatively affect ones everyday decision making. Believing in God isn't a problem. It can be good if it helps someone grieve for a loved one, motivates them to do good deeds, or expands their social circle. Not everyone who believes in God goes for the literal interpretation of genesis or similar fairy stories. Full disclosure: I'm in no way religious myself.

author: jesuscf
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timestamp: November 17, 2019, 07:16:40 am
content: Quote from: Zero999 on November 16, 2019, 09:42:53 pmIf the rods are long enough and parallel, they will exhibit a capacitance (according to totally trustworthy Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance#Capacitance_of_simple_systems) of:\$C=\frac{\pi\varepsilon l}{arcosh(\frac{d}{a})}\$Attach to a 555 timer oscillator, measure the change of frequency when the rods are close to water with Arduino, profit!

author: jesuscf
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timestamp: November 17, 2019, 07:34:04 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 16, 2019, 04:34:57 pmThat is probably correct; I don't know. But consider what the great USAnian philosopher George Carlin once said:"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."Then we understand why people believe in ridiculous things like the 'flat earth'.

author: jesuscf
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timestamp: November 17, 2019, 07:43:36 am
content: Quote from: eti on November 16, 2019, 04:32:05 amCan anybody share or point to a script to generate a percentage like the one above from /dev/urandom?

author: jav
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timestamp: November 17, 2019, 10:29:27 am
content: Quote from: jesuscf on November 17, 2019, 07:43:36 amQuick and dirty:Code:xxd -p -l 4 /dev/urandom | awk '{print strtonum("0x" $1)/2^30*25 "%"}'

author: Zero999
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timestamp: November 17, 2019, 11:14:20 am
content: Quote from: jesuscf on November 17, 2019, 07:16:40 amThat's not what that poll asks. It's about a human waving dowsing rods around, not active circuitary and a capacitive sensor will only work if there's water in between the metal rods. Also note the human operator is around 60% water, so even if it was theoretically possible, it would trigger all the time.

author: jesuscf
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timestamp: November 17, 2019, 05:34:43 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on November 17, 2019, 11:14:20 amI agree with you 62.5349%.

author: German_EE
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timestamp: November 17, 2019, 05:59:34 pm
content: Sorry, I'm late to this thread but I have some exciting news for you. Living next to us are two members of the German Flat Earth Society, and, just for added effect, the man of the house works at the local airportThey arrived a few months ago so we went to say hello and they invited us inside. On one wall of their lounge is a large framed poster showing the flat earth with the sky above pictured as a transparent dome. Also shown is the sun orbiting around the dome in a circular pattern. After I said I liked the colorful poster he gave me a leaflet for the Flat Earth Society and invited us along. It was at that point that my girlfriend whispered in my ear "be nice" so I kept quiet.They are quite open and friendly about their beliefs, at one point I asked how things like the ISS can go into orbit and he described a series of circles that gradually work their way across the surface of the sky as the earth turns beneath.No mention of things perched on elephants though, that would be silly.So, if any of you have questions that I can ask a real flat earther then please post them and I will relay them on.

author: jesuscf
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timestamp: November 17, 2019, 06:01:45 pm
content: FYIBest Flat Earth debunking video I've seen (Professor Dave Explains):https://www.youtube.com/embed/KyD8VIK032oOther YouTube channels I visit that (often hilariously) debunk Flat Earthers and their stupid (ding) arguments:hiithTeam SkepticConspiracy CatzBob the Science GuyWolfie6020SciManDanFTFESir SicCritical ThinkSly SparkaneBlueMarbleScienceWheresWa11yReds Rhetoric

author: daqq
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timestamp: November 17, 2019, 08:42:14 pm
content: QuoteWell, my questions would be1. Why?Basically most conspiracy theories when viewed from a certain angle have at least some borderline reasonable motivation behind them. The "9/11 inside job"couldbe to create an excuse for an invasion or a host of other things. "Faking the Moon landing"couldbe due to the technical difficulty and the desperate need for a win for the US in their dick measuring contest with the USSR. It's very likely BS, but, it's borderline conceivable motivation.But why would anyone try to falsify the shape of the Earth? The sheer amount of resources that would be needed to provide fake data, bribe millions of engineers, scientists or even ordinary people would be insane. And this would have to be done not just these days, but for millennia (if not in that kind of scale). But, fair enough, let's go with OK. But for what profit?There's no profit to anyone, aside from a few billions here and there that go to organizations like NASA, which, in monetary terms, absolutely pales with the amount of resources required to:- bribe people who study stuff to shut up- create the infrastructure and organizations to generate whole fake space programs and falsify data, ranging from small student made balloons to massive non-state companies that need to take into account the curvature of the Earth for engineering or other reasons.- do it in a way that involves tens of millions at least and in a way that is secret and kept secret2. How?A conspiracy involving three people and an important thing is difficult to keep quiet. A conspiracy that requires millions of highly educated people world wide to be quiet is simply impossible. Let's play along and say that everyone in the country of your choice is corrupt. Fair enough. But what about the other countries? Lots of countries have their own national space programs, with wildly differing goals, strategies, researchers, ethics etc. How would you even organize that?3. Now, I work for a company (meteorology) where we actually get data that needs to be processed and spans 200km or so. In our raw data we see the curvature of the Earth. Please explain to me, where the hell is my paycheck from the Illuminati or reptilians or whoever and how can they be modifying the bloody data that comes out of our ADCs?The whole thing is similar to claiming that Australia does not exist in reality, everyone who's been there is a shill, some vague organization for no conceivable reason is investing unimaginable resources into pretending Australia does exist for no apparent reason.

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: November 18, 2019, 07:38:28 pm
content: For the fun fact (and if you want something to talk about at a formal dinner), the minor planet Haumea (minor planets NOT being "planets" per definition) is thought to rotate so fast that it has a flattened shape:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haumea

author: soldar
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timestamp: November 18, 2019, 08:06:57 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on November 17, 2019, 08:42:14 pmNot if two of them are dead.(B. Franklin dixit)

author: boffin
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timestamp: November 18, 2019, 08:45:02 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on November 07, 2019, 09:41:13 pmWho says it's a man ?

author: Gregg
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timestamp: November 18, 2019, 09:01:02 pm
content: Quote from: boffin on November 18, 2019, 08:45:02 pmGeorge Carlin says so in a convincing manner as only George could pull off:

author: Bassman59
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timestamp: November 18, 2019, 11:40:03 pm
content: Quote from: jesuscf on November 15, 2019, 09:23:45 pmIndisputable? Hmm. Consider. Were they grading on a curve to get that 50%, and in fact more than 80% of people are of below average intelligence? It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

author: Sal Ammoniac
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timestamp: November 19, 2019, 10:11:13 pm
content: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/16/us/flat-earth-conference-conspiracy-theories-scli-intl/index.html

author: KL27x
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timestamp: November 19, 2019, 11:43:33 pm
content: Quote from: Bassman59 on November 18, 2019, 11:40:03 pm

author: raptor1956
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timestamp: November 19, 2019, 11:53:26 pm
content: Quote from: jesuscf on November 17, 2019, 06:01:45 pmBy far the best debunk of FE was by Professor Dave Explains -- how anyone can watch his videos on it and still believe in FE baffles me.To be sure, many FEers are trolls or are looking for fame and maybe some small fortune and are willing to debase themselves for it. A similar and overlapping group that actually pisses me off more are the anti-space types that argue we can't get into space because rockets don't work in a vacuum and that NASA is a sinister organization that seems to have been spreading there lies long before they even existed.Brian

author: jesuscf
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timestamp: November 20, 2019, 05:13:09 am
content: Quote from: Bassman59 on November 18, 2019, 11:40:03 pmYou are 77.1423% correct.

author: daqq
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timestamp: November 20, 2019, 06:25:42 am
content: ...and in related news, though from the US:https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/11/ohio-law-would-allow-students-to-give-wrong-answers-because-of-religious-belief/

author: BravoV
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timestamp: November 20, 2019, 06:37:20 am
content: Quote from: daqq on November 20, 2019, 06:25:42 amQuote .. "Under the law, students can’t be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs."Student : I demand you must approve that I've passed all my exams !Teacher : No, you can't , you've answered it wrongly almost all .. <showing one of the answer> ... 1+1 = 3Student : Whats wrong with that ? My believe is that The Trinity is the the only answer I need for my life.

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: November 20, 2019, 04:31:50 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on November 20, 2019, 06:25:42 am

author: Sal Ammoniac
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timestamp: November 20, 2019, 05:40:22 pm
content: Ohio: right next door to Indiana, which once tried to pass a law declaring pi to be 3.0.

author: jesuscf
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timestamp: November 20, 2019, 07:59:12 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on November 20, 2019, 06:25:42 amFor the system of equations below find, x, y, z:\$\left\{ {\begin{array}{*{20}c}{3x - \cos xy = 0.5} \\{x^2 - 81\left( {y + 0.1} \right)^2 + \sin z = - 1.06} \\{e^{ - xy} + 20z^{} + \frac{{10}}{3}\pi = 1} \\\end{array}} \right.\$Ohio student answer:x=0.5fathery=0sonz==-0.5236holly spirit100%(Based on new information, this post has been amended.)

author: golden_labels
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timestamp: November 21, 2019, 04:31:30 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on November 20, 2019, 06:37:20 am7 out of 100 Brazilians believe in a Flat Earth.7 in 20 Poles are unsure if humans come from earlier species of animals.5 in 5 EEVblog forum members, who commented above, believe that Michael Stone hasn’t misrepresented facts, despite all warning lights should be burning red from the first paragraph.Here is the real text of the bill (with added emphasis):Quote