Rigol 2072A - Page 1
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author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 05:12:19 am
content: Anyone see any official info on the "A" version?

author: nodeax
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 03:27:20 pm
content: If you are looking for pricing and availability:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-new-instruments-coming-soon/msg306128/#msg306128

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 09:08:14 pm
content: Thanks - that looks kind of like a placeholder for pricing - maybe Tequipment.net knows something about the A version - but there isn't a link to any info. I'm wondering if the A is a Rigol designation or something that people other than Rigol think might be a pending new product version. There doesn't seem to be a lot of info from Rigol that specifies such a version. Maybe it's out there somewhere, or maybe it's mostly speculation?http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds2000/ds2072/on the specifications tab it refers to a 2002A - kind of makes you think web site folks at Rigol and tequipment.net are just kind of writing as they go without too much "offical"information and QC'ing, and then us EEVers pick up on it an run with it

author: Sparky
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 11:04:18 pm
content: Quote from: Electro Fan on October 12, 2013, 09:08:14 pmPatience...Rigol are a Chinese company and it takes them a little while for new products and info to get to distribution partners. I'm sure Tequipment.net will update their website when they have all the info, and units are ready for shipping (which currently they aren't, so it's not surprising they're not advertising them for sale!)In the mean time, all the info/specs is out there:http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/281/(set the webpage language to "International" if needed)DS2000A datasheet (English)here

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 11:24:25 pm
content: Quote from: Sparky on October 12, 2013, 11:04:18 pmSparky, Thanks! That DS2000A datasheet looks very official. Definitely looks like several new versions. Thx again, EF

author: nodeax
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 13, 2013, 03:24:36 pm
content: Quote from: Electro Fan on October 12, 2013, 09:08:14 pmI contacted tequipment and got the pricing. If it was not official, they would not provide pricing for models that did not exist (eg: DS2072A-S, DS2302A). Regarding availability they said: "The new Rigol units are currently on order. We are expecting them in at the end of the month"

author: davidefa
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2013, 06:16:10 pm
content: Would be nice to 'upgrade' a DS2072A to DS2302A ;-)

author: van-c
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2013, 11:15:16 pm
content: On October 4th I placed an order for a DS2072 from TEquipment and was told it would ship around November 7. After seeing the post about the DS2000A units listed on TE's web site, I called them to ask if mine would be the new DS2072A or the DS2072. The guy I spoke with said it would be the DS2072 and that the "A" models would not be shipping in the US for quite a while.When I pointed out their web page listing the DS2072A (and other new models) he said that was there only because Rigol had announced the new models and that TE would eventually be carrying them, but they did not yet know the prices or availability. But he did say if they became available before mine shipped, they'd let me know and I could modify my order if I wanted to. This phone conversation was last Friday.My impression was that the web site listing the new models is, as Electro Fan said, a "placeholder" for new pricing. Since TE is currently out of stock on the DS2072, I wonder whether the comment about availability of the new Rigol units currently on order being expected "at the end of the month" was referring to the "new" shipment of DS2072s-- not the DS2072As.In any event, having a pending order, I plan to keep very close attention on this.--Van

author: olsenn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2013, 02:42:54 am
content: I received a quote for the DS2072A from tequipment and they told me that it would be shipping at the end of the month

author: van-c
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2013, 04:42:07 pm
content: I just spoke with TEquipment this morning. I changed my order to the DS2072A, which was scheduled for the end of October shipment. However, I later received an email saying that Rigol had advised the release date had been pushed back. Now, the ship date of the DS2072A has slipped to around the end of November. From past experience, I wouldn't be too surprised if this changed again, to earlier or later, before all is said and done.--Van

author: elecBlu
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2013, 09:17:30 pm
content: Quote from: davidefa on October 13, 2013, 06:16:10 pmwho knows, maybe they made it harder than hacking current DS2072 series.CAN Decode is definitly a big pro argument for the A Version.I doubt it will be possible to add this in DS2072.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2013, 09:57:39 pm
content: Was the price about the same, or was it higher?

author: olsenn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2013, 10:05:57 pm
content: The price is the same

author: davidefa
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2013, 07:00:45 am
content: I hope that new DS2072A is simply a DS2072 hardware v2.0 ( which I currently have ) with updated software and sticker

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2013, 07:38:41 am
content: Quote from: olsenn on October 14, 2013, 10:05:57 pmDid it include the AWG for that same price?

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2013, 07:38:57 am
content: Quote from: davidefa on October 15, 2013, 07:00:45 amagreed

author: olsenn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2013, 11:41:44 am
content: QuoteThe DS2072A costs the same as the DS2072. However, the DS2072A-S costs more.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2013, 11:26:58 pm
content: Quote from: olsenn on October 15, 2013, 11:41:44 amAh, cool. Guessing, then, that the 2072A is exactly the same as the 2072 HW 2.0. =)

author: van-c
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 01:27:33 am
content: I'd like to know if anyone on this forum has actually received a DS2072A. According to TEquipment, US shipments are expected toward the end of November. Are shipments anywhere else happening yet?--Van

author: olsenn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 02:01:37 pm
content: QuoteAs you said, shipments are expected at the end of November; noone here would have received one yet... unless they imported it from China

author: van-c
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 03:36:58 pm
content: Quote from: olsenn on October 16, 2013, 02:01:37 pmActually, what I said wasUS shipmentsare expected toward the end of November. Forum members in Europe, Africa, Australia, etc. would likely take shipment from distributors not in the US or China and I wondered if any of them had received one of the new models yet. Or perhaps all initial shipments outside China, including to the US, are being made around the same time.

author: apelly
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 25, 2013, 06:04:29 am
content: Got mine today. What do you want to know?Heading out now. Will answer as best I can tomorrow.Aaron.

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2013, 06:42:14 am
content: Quote from: apelly on October 25, 2013, 06:04:29 amDoes itblendhack?

author: apelly
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 25, 2013, 02:42:13 pm
content: Quote from: ElectroIrradiator on October 25, 2013, 06:42:14 amAll in good time... First we see what wakes the grey-beards...

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2013, 05:12:24 pm
content: Quote from: apelly on October 25, 2013, 06:04:29 amCongrats on the new scope!How about a photo of the outside (and/or inside) and a description of what you see as the differences (especially in features, functions, or performance) between the A and the non-A?Thanks

author: Matje
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2013, 11:04:08 pm
content: Quote from: apelly on October 25, 2013, 06:04:29 amWhat does the answer look like if you send it "*IDN?" with Ultra Sigma or whatever? Only first two fields wanted.

author: apelly
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 26, 2013, 03:36:29 am
content: Quote from: Matje on October 25, 2013, 11:04:08 pm* Connected to: USB0::0x1AB1::0x04B0::DS2D1534xxxxx::INSTR-> *IDN?<- (Return Count:50)RIGOL TECHNOLOGIES,DS2072A,DS2D1534xxxxx,00.02.00

author: JDubU
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 27, 2013, 01:12:11 am
content: Quote from: apelly on October 25, 2013, 06:04:29 amWondering if there have been any ergonomic improvements between DS2072 --> DS2072A.How loud is the fan?Do the knobs all have some lateral free play (wiggle) or do they feel tight and smooth?Do the horizontal and vertical positioning controls move the traces smoothly or do they jump in varying increments as you turn the knobs?

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2013, 07:11:15 pm
content: I've had a look at rigol.eu and Batronix in Germany no mention that I can see.

author: apelly
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 01, 2013, 03:55:21 pm
content: Quote from: JDubU on October 27, 2013, 01:12:11 amNever had a 2072, so it's hard to compare, but...Quote from: JDubU on October 27, 2013, 01:12:11 amSeems OK, but I get a lot of street noise where it's sitting. I think the fan(s) in my PC are much louder.Quote from: JDubU on October 27, 2013, 01:12:11 amSeems smooth enough. Some flex, but nothing off-putting or distracting. They feel pretty good overall.Quote from: JDubU on October 27, 2013, 01:12:11 amCould be better I think. But quite useable anyway.I'd be amazed if the hardware is any different from the 2072 HW v2.0Only difference I've seen is the 50r option is supported via the menu.HTH

author: JDubU
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2013, 09:12:54 pm
content: Thanks Aaron.Sounds like they are about the same.My DS2072 knobs have about a half a millimeter of very loose lateral play which I find a bit annoying but they all do it equally, so it is probably by design (nothing to compare it to).Really like the scope though!

author: Mark_O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2013, 04:42:23 pm
content: Quote from: apelly on November 01, 2013, 03:55:21 pmI'd be really interested in seeing a capture of a CAN protocol stream, and the Event Table. If you have a chance to give that a try.That's actually one of the few substantial value-adds of the new A models.

author: Mark_O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2013, 12:02:41 am
content: Quote from: apelly on October 26, 2013, 03:36:29 amI don't think I've seen you post which version of the software it's running? Still 1.1.0.2, or something newer?I have a reason for asking, beyond idle curiosity. If it is newer, then that may be the reason the existing hack keys aren't working for you. If you reflashed back to v1102, then they might. Since I don't believe the actual hardware in these is different than the Rev2.0 hardware in some older 2072-nonA models, the main firmware would be the first place to look for a hack block/key change (though it could be elsewhere).OTOH, if it's still v1102, then it's probably something else. (Unless Rigol created the next version for the 2072A, but still labeled it 1.1.0.2, when it really isn't.)

author: Mochaboy
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2013, 05:02:09 pm
content: 14 in stock in the US warehouse.New TEQUIPMENT site went online today so the sku's wasn't available (being fixed)...had to call in the order but sounds like it should ship out today...Big thank you to DM from tequipment for taking care of my order

author: JDubU
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2013, 05:33:10 pm
content: Quote from: Mochaboy on December 13, 2013, 05:02:09 pmNotice that they have officially discontinued the DS2072 (replaced by DS2072A) but are still selling the DS2102 and DS2202:http://www.tequipment.net/RigolPriceList.html

author: apelly
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 13, 2013, 11:30:27 pm
content: Quote from: Mark_O on November 23, 2013, 12:02:41 amSorry mate. Didn't see this question until now. I wasn't ignoring you. I think there's plenty of info over in the sniffing thread now though.

author: Kappes Buur
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2013, 08:39:12 pm
content: Just a heads up for shoppers in Canada:789 $US for DS2072A oscilloscope (6% discount from Tequipment)130 $US for handling and shipping to Canada via UPS-----------919 $US65 $C for currency exchange (approximate)20 for bank charges (approximate)-----------1004 $C112 $C for customs charges (approximate)----------1116 $C total (approximate)======about an extra 330 $C needed over the US price.and a view from the Government of Canada

author: jonese
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 20, 2013, 09:00:31 pm
content: Try and stay away from using UPS for shipping to Canada... way too expensive. TE will ship via USPS to Canada. Then the brokerage fee is just $5 instead of close to $50 if you use ground on UPS.

author: nimp0u
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 24, 2013, 03:38:47 pm
content: I received my DS2072A yesterday. Didnt know I would get an A-Version. Serials (Hack) are not working for me. Are the options unlockable for the A-Vesion?

author: willb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2013, 06:03:38 pm
content: Quote from: Kappes Buur on December 20, 2013, 08:39:12 pmI bought a DS2072 brand new from an authorized Rigol dealer, locally I might add (I'm in Halifax) for much much less than that. I don't remember the exact price, but it was low 900's with taxes (HST 15%). Good prices can be found locally. Mind you I buy A LOT from them (for work and personal, they sold me my entire Pace kit), so they gave me a bit of a deal, but I'm sure it's not hard to find.

author: tequipment
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2014, 02:48:34 am
content: Just an FYI USPS is about 1/2 UPS cost and I am told it avoids brokerages and pst gst but dont quote me on taxes.Buy from whoever you trust when something breaks. Buy from people not just the internet.Evan CirelliTEquipment.NET

author: olsenn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2014, 03:16:11 am
content: QuoteSmall world! I live in HRM too (Dartmouth). How do you like the DS2072A?

author: idpromnut
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2014, 12:56:04 pm
content: I just ordered mine from ACA TMetrix, should get it in about a month (Montreal)!