IEEE Senior Membership - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2020, 03:28:36 am
content: I think it's time I upped my IEEE membership from Member to Senior Member, but it seems to be asking for other IEEE members as references.Any IEEE members want to vouch for me? I need some member numbers.Thanks.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 01:04:51 am
content: I guess no one is an IEEE member

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 04:00:03 am
content: The references need to be Senior/Fellow-level members, don't they? Not sure how to go about seeking entry into that rarefied stratum of society. The usual Illuminati customs probably apply... reserve your mask and cloak early, try not to stare, and for God's sake, don't show up in a taxi...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 04:08:41 am
content: Quote from: KE5FX on September 10, 2020, 04:00:03 amAh, seems it might need Senior member or above. I have one friend who is a senior member, not sure how many I need though.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 04:27:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2020, 01:04:51 amI dropped my membership many years ago, did not see any benefits in it. IEEE is tribe based, want you to pay for access to anything slightly different from the society you are member of. This was ridiculous.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 06:12:54 am
content: I see, you wish to infiltrate them, learn the Secret Handshake and expose it on youtube! Good on you!

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 06:19:32 am
content: What perks does one get from being a IEEE senior member anyway?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 06:20:07 am
content: Quote from: Berni on September 10, 2020, 06:19:32 amThe only perk seems to be that you get to pick who else gets the perk

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 10:32:59 am
content: One wonders, then, if it's worth the effort.

author: Refrigerator
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 11:13:17 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2020, 06:20:07 amThat seems like a circle jerk.Also if you need seniors to approve you to become a senior then where did the first senior come from?

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 12:41:09 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2020, 03:28:36 amPM sent with IEEE Senior membership number.Best,

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 12:43:29 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2020, 01:04:51 amI guess they aren't. People in the UK gave up bothering with the IEE decades ago. It seems Americans are now doing the same with the IEEE.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 12:48:34 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on September 10, 2020, 12:43:29 pmHere in Australia it's Engineers Australia that practically no electronics engineer is a member of.

author: 25 CPS
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 12:51:02 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 10, 2020, 04:27:34 amThey were pushing IEEE membership pretty hard when I was in college to the point that they paid for a couple of student memberships for a couple of the chosen ones. I looked at signing up but couldn't get past the idea of having to choose a specific section based on area of interest which really surprised me since I was a college student and didn't know yet which of my areas of interest I was going to end up being employed in, if any. So how do you choose? That was problem one. Then, the other areas of interest being locked off once you choose one, whichever one it happens to be, and join being problem two and between both of them, the disincentive was so strong that I never did join IEEE.I guess they can't be hurting for members that badly over this since they've never changed how this model of operation works.

author: Tomorokoshi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 01:04:01 pm
content: Quote from: 25 CPS on September 10, 2020, 12:51:02 pmI had it in school. Then I dropped it a few years later, around the time of the internet crash, as the relative expense wasn't worth it.Similar to others, some of my reasons were:1. Difficult to get information.2. Every variation needed a different sign-up, etc. I don't know how it works now.3. Very little corporate or management support or interest.These days, I occasionally run across an IEEE reference when searching for information. Their database doesn't seem to be indexed into Google, otherwise I would be getting more hits. When I do encounter something, of course it's locked out. Not a problem; other non-IEEE links will usually have what I am looking for.Membership is $208 with maybe $25 per "society"; and I would be interested in perhaps 6 of them. So that's approaching $400 per year, and to be honest it's probably worth it.However, I would have to pay it myself. These days corporate long-term views and strategies are so corroded by Agile that there is no way I could get any management support.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 01:41:01 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2020, 12:48:34 pmWell there are not that many practising Electronics Engineers in Australia any more.I remember years ago there were job ads for EE's would state the applicantsmust bea full member of IE Aust, IREE or IEEE. Then it went tomust qualifyfor full membership or IE Aust, IREE or IEEE. Now it is never mentioned. They still state the degree one must have however.Like comptometrists, is membership a thing of the past? (It is unlikely young players will even know what a comptometrist is without Googling it.) Now, only 16 out of over 500 million users of LinkedIn have comptometrist as a past title. But according to Engineers Australia LinkedIn website, they have over 100,000 members and 99663 followers. I would be interesting to find out how manypractising electronics engineersare members.I was asked to join as a senior member about 16 years ago, but I could not see any benefit in it considering the cost. All this money saved here and there can be put to better use such as test equipment.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 02:51:00 pm
content: IEEE is not a regulating or licensing body, it is totally optional. Here practicing professional engineers Must be members of Professional Engineers Ontario which is the licensing body, but nobody forces you to be an IEEE member.

author: iMo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 03:09:14 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 10, 2020, 02:51:00 pmEven an EE must be the member?

author: asmi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 03:41:36 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 10, 2020, 02:51:00 pmYou don't need that for electronics. Just don't call yourself "Professional Engineer". MS told them to go to hell when they tried to force them to change their naming, and that is the position I take.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 03:43:33 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2020, 01:04:51 amI am, but in the same position as you. Only member. I've also been thinking about "upping" my membership.You could try and contact your local chapter for references.

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 03:43:52 pm
content: Does one only get to become a Senior member once the grey hair starts to come in?Do they have a Geriatric membership for the proper old greybeards?

author: 25 CPS
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2020, 03:47:18 pm
content: Quote from: imo on September 10, 2020, 03:09:14 pmYes, licensed professional electrical engineers must be a member. There are rules here about who can use the word "engineer" in their job title here that can be pretty strict. I'm an electronics technologist and one of my out of country friends accidentally referred to me as an electrical engineer by mistake in an email about some volunteer work we were co-ordinating and an actual engineer saw this and lost his mind telling me I could face grave legal consequences for this and so on. I didn't write the email and the person who did lives in the United States and clearly made a mistake so calm down. Some people are full of themselves.Quote from: Tomorokoshi on September 10, 2020, 01:04:01 pmIt's been the same experience for me.As a technologist, I'm too low on the totem pole for my employer to pay for professional organization memberships for me. They won't even consider a cost sharing arrangement to cover a portion of it so if I were to join professional or trade organizations, it would be completely out of my own pocket. I was in a conversation with one of the lower level managers one day and it came out that they wouldn't even cover the cost or a portion of it for his membership in one of the relevant trade organizations so it's totally out of the question as a technologist. The senior managers and the executives are another matter entirely; as usual, that group takes very, very good care of themselves. About all he or I could do is pay out of pocket and then claim the cost at tax time as professional organization fees, so I've never had an IEEE membership and the one membership to another group I did have lapsed when I had a severe cash crunch and never did get reinstated.

author: 0culus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 12:54:08 am
content: I've thought about joining IEEE because my workwillpay for it, but I haven't been in a rush. I used to be a member of the ACM back in student days but I dropped that like a hot potato when I graduated. Never got any real value out of it, other than occasionally digital library access. But that's not a big draw when (1) my old department allows alumni to maintain a login server account (which, if you say, set up a SOCKS proxy over the SSH tunnel your IP address is now in the school ASN and you have library access) and (2) work provides the same access.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 01:34:30 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 10, 2020, 03:43:33 pmNo need. Turns out I already knew three personally, just had no idea they were IEEE senior members. There also seems to be no way to search the IEEE member database to check that status of someone?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 01:35:39 am
content: Quote from: HwAoRrDk on September 10, 2020, 03:43:52 pmNo, you just need 10 years experience and the backing of 3 other senior members. And your study time is included. So you could become a senior member before you hit 30yo if you wanted to.

author: wn1fju
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 01:37:09 am
content: I co-authored a paper in an IEEE journal a few years ago. As part of the submission, the IEEE requested a short biography. I described my education as earning a BA in 1974, an MA in 1977 and a Ph.D in 1979. When the paper appeared in the journal, they listed me as an IEEE Member in 1974, a Senior Member in 1977 and a Fellow in 1979. Oops. I guess that's one way to advance through the IEEE grades !!!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 01:37:33 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on September 10, 2020, 01:41:01 pmThat would be interesting, but I doubt they'd ever release that data.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 01:28:36 pm
content: Even with all the problems with the IEEE, it's still the best resource for State of the Art in electronics and semiconductor devices IMO. The technology papers in the journals and at various conferences are a glimpse 10~15 years into the future.We've published a few papers (most of our advanced work could not be published), the most prestigious in the IEEE was an Invited paper appearing in the "Proceedings of the IEEE" 15 August 2005, "Smart Phased Array SoCs: A Novel Application for Advanced SiGe HBT BiCMOS Technology".https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/1495911This paper created a lot of interest in our company which was acquired the next year, so the IEEE was very helpful in this case.Also agree it's expensive, since my company paid the subscription when I was employed being a member was a no-brainer. Now I've retired I decided to keep the membership and pay out of pocket since I'll qualify for a Life Membership next yearThink this means the IEEE knows I won't be member much longerBest,

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 03:04:05 pm
content: What is the point to publish a paper and have access to it locked , restricted to one single group in IEEE. The problem with IEEE is access to the materials, and by the way, the quality of materials is not always good.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 04:34:24 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 11, 2020, 01:34:30 amOk, cool.No, I don't think there is - that's why I suggested contacting your chapter, as they should have been able to give you such a list. But if you already know 3 personally, you'll save a lot of time.With these 3 and your background, your access to the Senior status should be pretty straightforward.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 05:04:57 pm
content: I am a member of IEEE and see value in it, although in recent years the nature of my work did not demand the type of information they had - i kept renewing for my own interest. Now that I changed jobs with something more advanced than what I was doing, the usability of their work will be professionally more applicable.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 10:59:50 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 11, 2020, 04:34:24 pmShould be. You just need the three references and 10 years of experience, with 5 years recent I think. So unless they somehow don't count the EEVblog as a "real engineering" job then should be straightforward.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 11:01:15 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 11, 2020, 03:04:05 pmDo you somehow sign over copyright or sign an exclusive publishing deal?If not, then why couldn't you just post the paper on your own site minus any IEEE references?

author: Kerlin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2020, 11:46:51 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2020, 01:04:51 amNon degree Engineers with experience have become favored.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 16, 2020, 02:02:50 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 11, 2020, 03:04:05 pmIt's not locked nor restricted access to a specific IEEE group, you can purchase papers if you are not an IEEE member I believe. I've included the IEEE referenced Invited Paper we did back in 2005 (actually dates back to a closed paper in 2000 when we proposed a wafer scale phased array SoC in IBM 7HP SiGe BiCMOS process for a USG agency, later we were allowed to discuss very limited aspects of such and thus the IEEE paper).The electrical performance of the modern instruments we have are directly related to the advanced semiconductor chips inside. The performance per cost metric is outstanding IMO, from the advanced ADCs, DACs, Amplifiers, FPGAs, uPs, SoCs and so on have paved the way for these modest cost, high performance instruments, and they are compact.These advanced chips can be traced back to advanced semiconductor processes and in some cases new type circuits and algorithms, all likely described in the past IEEE journals in some form.Please provide a reference for electronics related that has better quality material than the IEEE Journals, I'm not aware of anything in general.Best,

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 07, 2020, 07:36:17 am
content: I'm in.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2020, 07:56:25 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 07, 2020, 07:36:17 amCongratulations. I'm sure it will make no noticeable difference to your life.

author: DenzilPenberthy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2020, 08:51:25 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on September 10, 2020, 01:41:01 pmYou're right, I did have to Google it. Then laughed heartily out loud as there are two of those things on the windowsill right next to my computer monitorLiterally 5 inches from the search bar where I typed comptometrist.Gifted from the father-in-law who trained as an accountant in a large organisation and saved a couple from the scrap bin many years ago.Sometines if I'm job hunting I rejoin the IET for a year so I can put MIET on my CV. Then let it lapse. It's not worth the money out of my own pocket and employers rarely are willing to pick up the fees for professional registration it seems. Currently I work somewhere with access to all of the journals etc so no bother there.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2020, 02:23:27 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 07, 2020, 07:36:17 amBest,

author: sandalcandal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 07, 2020, 04:03:16 pm
content: Welcome to the Seniors club Dave

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2020, 04:14:48 pm
content: Quotesounds like a pyramid selling scheme

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2020, 05:30:09 pm
content: Quote from: themadhippy on October 07, 2020, 04:14:48 pmWe are engineers. We don't sell pyramids. We build them.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2020, 12:48:31 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on October 07, 2020, 07:56:25 amA factually correct cynic

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2020, 12:49:42 pm
content: Quote from: sandalcandal on October 07, 2020, 04:03:16 pmWhen do I learn the secret handshake?

author: sandalcandal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2020, 01:12:34 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 08, 2020, 12:49:42 pmI believe you have to visitone of their brick and mortar branches

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2020, 01:16:47 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 08, 2020, 12:49:42 pmIsn't the senior handshake when you hold out your hand, and it naturally shakes?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2020, 11:36:09 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on October 07, 2020, 07:56:25 amIt will at least make one. He won't receive IEEE e-mails about getting promoted to senior membership anymore. I usually get several of them a year.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 09, 2020, 12:22:29 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 08, 2020, 11:36:09 pmI don't recall ever getting one of those emails.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2020, 12:36:32 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 09, 2020, 12:22:29 amOh really. Come to think of it, I think they almost always come from my local chapter, so this may really depend on your chapter's policies. Mine certainly seems eager to promote their members.

author: oPossum
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2021, 02:39:10 pm
content: Fran has joined the club.

author: JohnnyMalaria
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2021, 11:26:23 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on September 11, 2020, 03:04:05 pmThis paper?https://sci-hub.st/10.1109/JPROC.2005.852549

author: salvagedcircuitry
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2021, 01:50:05 am
content: I think I may re-subscribe. I remember chris gammel mentioning something about an IEEE freelance engineer server on the amp hour.If anyone wants to refer, let me know!

author: EPAIII
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2021, 04:27:51 am
content: Grandfathered in.Quote from: Refrigerator on September 10, 2020, 11:13:17 am