Why can't I find anything interesting on eBay anymore? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2023, 09:39:45 pm
content: So 10 years ago, typing in "evaluation board" followed by your vintage CPU/MPU of interest, the search engine usually returned a fantastic list of cool stuff for sale- full kits- books & paper datasheet- debuggersand it was great to type the code name of the niche development board like "YellowKnife", one of the things that have sold no more than 5000 units worldwide, and to see that, despite the rarity of super niche, eBay was still able to return listings!And if eBay didn't return anything in the day, it was enough to wait a couple of days, at most a week, and you'd be satisfied!What happens today?if I type "IDT evaulation board" ... if I type "Malta evs" ... if I type "MIPS" ... why have I not seen anything for months and months?If I type in parts of the road bike, they pity me ... like 160 USD for a water bottle??? that is not even thermal??? 400 UKP for a NOS crank set that is not even rare?!?What is happening to eBay???

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2023, 09:53:23 pm
content: Every time they change the presentation of related items that they apparently want to sell me, they are less successful. Typically the 4 rows of items contain several repeats, several things I've just rejected, and occasionally one or two new items that I hadn't seen yet.Apparently I'm not the sort of customer they want.My best hits are usually found by looking at the 'other items' of sellers who had something mildly interesting. ebay never show me these unprompted, but they love to waste my time by duplicating entries in the lists.It's time for an alternative. People would jump at something like the old ebay.One thing though - I never sell there any more, too much risk of getting scammed. I guess a lot of the people I want to buy from think the same.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2023, 10:28:48 pm
content: When eBay's business was still primarily auctions, we could find all kinds of used/vintage/hard to find equipment.Since it's been trying to become just a giant selling platform like Amazon, we get just a bunch of crap at now outrageous prices, and auctions seem to have become just a distraction for them now.I've still bought CPUs and ECC RAM from decommissioned servers on eBay recently (most recent was fully working 128GB of DDR4 ECC RAM for about 120 EUR!), but otherwise I practically don't use it anymore.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 24, 2023, 10:43:38 pm
content: Alternatives to buy vintage CPUs/MPUs/DSPs and eval boards?I've always wanted an IDT MIPS R2K evaluation board (1989)

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 12:01:21 am
content: Have you tried contacting eBay about that? Don't waste your time. No chat, no email, no phone are available to us gullible soon-to-be ex-buyers. In other words, there is no way to communicate or even create a record other than with the seller.Recent experience:I very rarely return stuff. Most recently, I bought a 1.5 kW VFD made in China with dealer in USA (California). On the same day, I discovered the 2.2 kW version was available from same dealer at about the same price. It was too late to cancel. Dealer said to just return the 1.5 kW unit ("buyer pays return shipping"). I got the items quickly, and both were shipped from a warehouse in nearby NJ. So I processed a return. Package weighed less than 2 pounds, and retail USPS shipping to the NJ warehouse was about $10.50. eBay wanted $67.57. To me, a "return" means return to the shipping point. The eBay price was apparently for return to China, but I have no way to confirm that without printing the label. That's freight forwarding in my lexicon. Fortunately, the seller has a location in California for me to ship to, which was only a couple of dollars more.I have tried to contact eBay to explain, but only get their splash pages for buyers. This is an evolving story. If eBay still charges me $67.57 deducted from my refund, I anticipate further problems. I can't fault the dealer. I have bought from it in the past, and its service and communications are great.

author: Buriedcode
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 03:13:49 am
content: I'm sure you realise that what you seem to consider insteresting is also old, and possibly rare, so the number of listings/available items to buy will only ever decrease.You can't expect there to be a constant steady supply of very specific vintage hardware - even if there were a few sellers their stock will run out or they will just close up. Perhaps if you believe there is demand - then start your own ebay store for vintage gear?edit: Forgot to mention, 10 years is a long time, especially regarding hardware. I don't know how any vintage electronics store would maintain a stock of the specific things you want for that long.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 04:52:03 am
content: It doesn't make sense for small/random sellers anymore, the amount of crap to get done, and the little money you get makes it not worthy. Last item i sold i had to give access to my bank account, and they kept about 40%, then i closed the account. The moment you do overseas they extort you even more money. So it's become just another platform to buy new crap, like amazon but amazon has almost same day delivery and an actual customer service (it is almost impossible to talk to a human, but at least the usual automated response is pickup and substitute or refund)all simple cheap electronic modules from china that used to be 0.99 shipping included... not possible anymoreonly aliexpress for that

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 09:05:24 am
content: Quote from: Buriedcode on July 25, 2023, 03:13:49 amwe are not talking about sellers with a warehouse, but rather private sellers who randomly sell stuff.10 years ago it was not rare to see people passing evaluation-boards from home to home, today ... it's not what I see on eBay.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 09:13:34 am
content: Quote from: JPortici on July 25, 2023, 04:52:03 amSo it's too expensive and too risky, especially for random sellers.Understood, with a great nostalgia for the good old days from 2000 to 2010.

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 09:27:14 am
content: The postrage costs have also become uneconomic, especially for US->UK sales. Though I find widely varying prices for the same service from different sellers.There is a UK site,www.homeworkshop.org.uk, which provides a good service for UK sales of machining equipment. It works because it's small and specialized. Similarly, there's the pinformer.co.uk site for pinball machines. To some extent the sales board here does the same thing, though it's not very busy and is annoying in not automatically showing the country location which is critical (it used to have a flag in the index listing but it broke).I guess facebook marketplace aims to do the same thing, though you have to use facebook, which keeps me off it.If ebay doesn't want the person to person trade I guess it will eventually go somewhere else. It's the circulation that makes it popular but if the sale is too hard to execute that's of little value.

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 10:13:11 am
content: Quote from: DiTBho on July 25, 2023, 09:13:34 amI share that feeling. But today, eBay and Amazon are mostly just two, competing online retail sites. The only difference I have seen is the presence of a few, relatively small, used-item sellers on eBay. Roberts Camera Indianapolis, Indiana, USA is one example. Used cameras in general are often individual sellers. There are still plenty of used clothing sellers on eBay, if you are interested.I recall reading several years ago that eBay decided to be a competitor of Amazon for its long-term business. Google finds plenty of comparisons of the two. Here is just the first one that appeared in my search:https://www.repricerexpress.com/ebay-vs-amazon/

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 10:21:32 am
content: Although I mourn the loss of interesting secondhand items on ebay (I do still find a few, but not as easily as in the past) I also use it for new items. I generally find :Amazon has less choice, higher prices. Amazon's Prime service only helps with speed - the delivery savings don't exist as Prime items cost more. And many Prime items don't actually deliver in a day any more, and using it further restricts the choice.I have mostly found that Amazon supports customers with a better returns policy but not sure about non-amazon sellers.Conversely ebay has far better choice but barely supports either buyers or sellers at all. I expect to be scammed with fake parts more on ebay but I'm not completely sure I'm safe on amazon.I don't think either competes well with the other except in regards to being alternate ways to buy. Amazon is like buying from a retailer. Ebay is like buying from a street vendor. I can't see either taking much of the other's business, but as a customer I lose from ebay's change.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 10:39:47 am
content: Quote from: JPortici on July 25, 2023, 04:52:03 amEvery two weeks I get a "list items over the weekend and it is 80% off variable selling fees" offer.Guess when I do/don't list items.QuoteI sell using the GSP. I don't know what the buyer pays for that, and don't need to care.I don't have to worry about customs declaration forms nor the quality of delivery agents in the destination country.I just ship to a UK warehouse, and from there on it is fleabay's responsibility.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 11:35:55 am
content: Quote from: artag on July 25, 2023, 10:21:32 amBought qty=32 SDRAM special sticks (128Mbyte, only 1 rank), declared "new" on Amazon from an affiliated shop. I received used parts and not 100% in working order. No problem. Sent back. Money back in 4 days.on eBay ... I bought a very rare steel headset for my bikePaid 120 euros as declared- English thread- brand new, without defectsReceived- Italian thread- second hand, with several scratches and bentsI could have somehow fixed the scratches and bents with hammer, file, sandpaper and grinder, but the Italian thread is mechanically not compatible with the English thread and if you try to force it you ruin the thread of both the fork and the headset, so I opened a claim "not as described" and I wasted three weeks of my life to have money back.Considering this, now for the parts of my bike I only consider the possibility of personally viewing the objects listed on eBay, payment in cash.

author: Buriedcode
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 08:41:27 pm
content: Quote from: DiTBho on July 25, 2023, 09:05:24 amThats my point - private sellers are even less likely to maintain a stock, so once most of them have sold their surplus/used dev boards, they have no more to sell? I'm sure eval boards do get traded around, and ebay has plenty (at least from the brief search I just did) but perhaps not of the kind you are interested in.

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 25, 2023, 10:25:46 pm
content: Quote from: Buriedcode on July 25, 2023, 08:41:27 pmNot really. they kind of roll through. You generally have a few 3-5 years old. Get rid of some but evaluate something else and get something newer.

author: rhb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2023, 02:46:27 am
content: I just bought an Agilent 4395A. Seller was asking $800. I offered $600 and got it in fine condition. I picked up an HP 339A in similar condition for $300 the day it was listed. Tested with a sine wave from my Keysight 333622A. Measured 0.028% THD. 33622A spec is 0.03% THD. I'd been looking for those for some time but the prices were silly. Eventually I got an email with a link to the listings and bought them.I think that sellers who don't normally sell test gear but wind with stuff from a large auction lot which includes stuff they know nothing about, have realized that the 4 figure prices are generally unrealistic. When you see someone has had a listing that is a year old, it's not too hard to figure out the item is overpriced. I generally make offers by contacting the seller rather than use the listing button, especially if it's over priced and been on ebay for a long time.Reg

author: thermistor-guy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2023, 04:39:17 am
content: Quote from: DiTBho on July 24, 2023, 09:39:45 pmThe Global Financial Crisis was in 2008/2009. It's possible you were still benefiting from the fallout, years later, in 2013.Many companies went bankrupt in the aftermath. Many hung on, canceling projects and liquidating stock to stay afloat. In either case, largeamounts of parts and equipment came onto the surplus market.I grabbed bargains in top-quality used test equipment, from US and EU companies via Ebay, at that time and for that reason.If we get another GFC, you'll get another opportunity.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2023, 08:33:46 am
content: In 2006 I bought this gigantic Kodak quality photo. The photo of Prof. John Hennessy inspecting the layout of MIPS R2000 hangs on a wall in my room.My personal idol, I love that job.There were lots of photos of Motorola, zoomed-in pictures of their 68K CPU dies, lot of PPC601 CPU dies, and also a lot of MIPS CPU dies from IDT, and pictures of people working on computers. Nowadays, I don't even see anything like that.

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2023, 06:23:32 am
content: Between 2005 and 2015 eBay was the place for me to go when I needed a deal or something hard to come by. I sold tons of stuff on eBay, mostly computer and enterprise hardware and consumables.After 2015 I started reducing my eBay use to a minimum being that my last purchase was the 87V way back in 2019.Since then, now with Taobao, Xian Yu, Carousell and Yahoo Auctions JP and some time Amazon I don't feel the need to go to eBay except in very hard to find items.And it is mostly because of being able to bargain price (that Xian Yu, Carousell and Yahoo allow) and local pickup and payment (Xian Yu and Carousell).Normally is if I want to try something that it may not fit my needs - Amazon because of their return policy.If I know what I want and it is just price/condition - all the other avenues with extra emphasis to any who allow local pickup and payment with cash in hand (the best way for Hong Kong Deals).

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2023, 03:29:44 pm
content: Quote from: Black Phoenix on July 27, 2023, 06:23:32 amok, so these are the alternatives.very interesting.thanks

author: mendip_discovery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2023, 03:57:40 pm
content: Ebay was handy as you could buy random bits on it that you would spend days looking in shops for or for random bits that people wanted to clear so they could buy new toys. Then every side hustler got in on it and started buying cheap stuff up and then re-listing them at a premium price. Occasionally you see stuff there but lots of people selling stuff from job lot auctions but wanting good money for stuff that is a little unknown condition.As already said on another thread china isnt as strong on the bay at the moment as the cost of postage has gone up a bit. Plus I guess they do better selling on alliexpress etc.

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2023, 11:33:52 am
content: Quote from: DiTBho on July 27, 2023, 03:29:44 pmAt least where I am currently located. For Mainland China, Taobao and Xian Yu. Hong Kong and International Carousell and Yahoo Auctions JP.Xian Yu is currently a gold mine of equipments, old and new, overpriced and correctly priced, because of most companies closing down in China. They go from old CRT Oscilloscopes to the latest MXR from Keysight, some HP bench DMMs and tons of HP PSUs, some branded Agilent. Also Fluke, Flir, Tektronix, Lecory, etc...Reason being the 3 years of CoVID with lockdowns, economical downturn because of the US sanctions plus companies relocation to counties as Vietnam and India.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2023, 09:28:08 pm
content: Quote from: DiTBho on July 25, 2023, 09:05:24 amI think Buriedcode has a valid point there. Time has moved on, but you are apparently still interested in the same systems as 10+ years ago.What was "obsolete" back then, and got discarded by users who were more interested in the latest technology -- is now "vintage", and has either been tossed out or landed in the hands of people who will likely hold on to it. Until their heirs eventually toss the stuff out, that is...

author: peter-h
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2023, 10:14:18 am
content: QuoteThe bigger reason is that China is too unstable. Companies go bust after a short time and while it is still cheaper than the West there is a lot of indirect cost involved in the way they do business nowadays. Even little things like the 25 day sailing time for sea freight, together with having to pay up front...Only the biggest firms have the resources to move mfg to India or Vietnam. These need heavy on-location interaction and management because of a lack of setting up and yet another culture. India is even worse for making a fast buck than China.10 years ago China was perhaps 1/4 the cost of the West. Today it is more like 1/2 and by the time you stack the "risk factors" into it... I used to make one product out there. After about the 4th time the company vanished (with mould tooling, test gear, the lot) I pulled it back to the UK. They went bang 2 weeks after the last £20k batch was loaded onto the ship! There was about another £2 cost, not insignificant on a £25 product, but I saved a sh1tload of money and worry.Most companies are not stupid. They will act to protect their business, even if it takes years to make the moves.Where is this Xian Yu site?QuoteYou still can, and I still do. The biggest problem is that "junk" no longer sells. People need to do a nice description, nice photos, and then one attracts quality buyers, not the illiterate lot which makes up the bulk of "online society" these days.It is true that Ebay has been turning itself into a new product market. It is however useful because you find different stuff on it compared to say Amazon. Just the other day I bought some specialised stainless steel bolts. No chance on amazon, and a big hassle+cost to buy conventionally. I've picked up some amazing bargains - a $5000 ARINC429 data acquisition card for $300, etc. I sell on Amazon too for my business but their terms are really sh1t. You need to have loads of margin because they take a 1/3 cut (on amazon fulfilled items), they are useless at comms (just a monkey call centre), it is pain and more pain all the way, they charge you extra for every different country you want to sell to, so they are OK for a narrow range of gear which is overpriced yet people are happy.Ultimately both Ebay and Amazon sell mostly chinese crap.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2023, 04:39:49 pm
content: I think the period from ~2000-2020 had a combination of willing sellers parting with interesting things and buyers who had enough money to buy them.So now the transfer of interesting things is basically finished. The people who had them 20 years ago sold them to the people that had the time and money to do so.Now you have hoarders like me who have their mountains of trinkets and baubles but little to no interest in selling, until I get old enough and then we repeat the cycle.

author: peter-h
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2023, 04:59:51 pm
content: That is probably true forQuoteI think what you may be finding is that people are no longer interested in filling their lives and houses with junk.But look at thishttps://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2499334.m570.l1313&_nkw=tektronix+digital+oscilloscope&_sacat=182415It is no different to say 5 years ago.I laugh when I think we paid 5k for a Le Croy 3034, it blew up after 1 year, fixed under warranty, but next time it blows up I will buy something like thishttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255986571937(MSO2014) and laugh all the way to the bank. Or two of thesehttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334742106648Lots of good stuff still on Ebay.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2023, 07:52:23 pm
content: Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on July 29, 2023, 04:39:49 pmI have two simple rules about my 2000s computer stuffif there is no purpose/interest(1), sell it, take money to improve other things or other projects in the computer roomthe computer room can be neither moved to a bigger room nor expanded, therefore having limited cubic meters, itmustonly host what there is real interest and purpose(1) measured in "months of inactivity". If it stays off for more than 10 months, there is no interest

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2023, 08:05:56 pm
content: Once I happened to meet in person on eBay people like David Craig, a ritired Apple/m68k developer, and Dino Paparo, an Italian Amiga m68k/ppc603 developer.70% of my Motorola books were bought from mr.Craig, as well as my books about PPC 4xx and 6xx were bought from mr Paparo ...I remember the pick up days, lovely chats with excellent wine ...... now I only meet mediocre people; the other day I went in person to withdraw a 1984 water thermal bottle by Campagnolo, declared "NOS" (new old stock) ... it was an indecent stuff in which it seems the cat urinated, and a horrible salesman I met in New York two years ago whom I almost got into a physical fight with because as the batch of Microdrives he was selling me were not only obviously used but defective as well. He didn't expect me to bring me a Japanese PDA with CF2 interface and run badblocks... on a couple of random drives in the lot.So, even *the people* I deal with have gotten worse

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2023, 08:15:55 pm
content: Quote from: DiTBho on July 29, 2023, 07:52:23 pmI have a second laboratory room where I keep all the electronic cards and paper books, basically MPUs and DSPs from the late 1980s and 1990s to the early 2000s.This room has similar rules to the computer room.The big different is that it has modern equipment. MSO, power supply, wave generator, LA ... all these things are not older than 2015, which are anyway subjected to the same rule: if not in use, they will go.

author: AndyBeez
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2023, 08:28:06 pm
content: This thread reminded me of a Fran Blanche commentary in March 2022Quote

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2023, 08:52:05 pm
content: Quote from: AndyBeez on July 29, 2023, 08:28:06 pmShe reminds me of a very cold and snowy December 24th, on Christmas Eve, I was sitting in a pub chatting with a guy on eBay, and I invited him over for a drink. He was not far away from the airport area, which is directly linked to central london. So I met him in person, then I had to add a Microsoft Surface laptop in its prestigious Tucano bag, the equipment I carried with me, for an already very high price to have in exchange the second-hand Apple PowerBook-G3 modded with an original Dyna PPC7410@500Mhz accelerator and 1Gbyte of ram that was listing on eBay.Good deal for the person I had across the table. He had said "No way, I'm not willing to sell the G3 powerbook I have for sale on eBay", which sounded like contradiction", so I asked "why did you list it?" and he replied something like "it's so insane amount that no one will ever want to make an offer, but it's good for me because I can list it for free, to attract people to visit my shop"As he did with me, since we formally met in a pub to buy other items.But then he accepted.Talking about vintage bicycle, there are people who do the same with the Campagnolo derailleurs of the Rally G3 series (80s): they put them up for sale for 900 UKP!!!, an insane amount, so insane that no one will ever want to make an offer.But some do it to attract attention, and to make people visit their shop, where they actually have things to sell.(in fact the last time I bought a bag for the wheels of the racing bike, 20 UKP)

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 02:18:26 am
content: In my experience as a user of eBay US is that it is still a good place to find the occasional oddball and "out-of-print" equipment, but thereallyunconventional stuff is found in various closed special interest groups on facebook. Just today I got some people selling an ancient Motorola evaluation board and a Commodore CBM - priced accordingly, though.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 09:51:48 am
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on July 30, 2023, 02:18:26 amI never thought about Facebook as "occasional marketplace", very interestingQuote from: rsjsouza on July 30, 2023, 02:18:26 amm68k? 68xx? Coldire? PPC? m88k? DSP56xxx?

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 10:42:02 am
content: Quote from: DiTBho on July 30, 2023, 09:51:48 amThe board was a 6802 processor: Motorola Mek6802D5 Micro Computer - as-is and priced quite high IMO ($265, although perhaps in CAD not USD). Just like with anything in this platform, I am pretty sure it is negotiable but warranty is non-existent.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 11:37:56 am
content: @rsjsouzaI just created my first Facebook account, specifically made to subscribe to the "m68k assembly programming" user group.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 06:14:04 pm
content: I am glad you found something of interest there*. Just like any platform, it has its ups and downs but I get some interesting posts in the CRT repair and the Tek Scopes, as well as some vintage computing groups. The Tek Scopes group was booed a few years ago here at EEV at the time of its launch but it turned out to be reasonably interesting over the years.Facebook was villanized around '16 due to the Cambridge Analytica brouhaha but people can coalesce if the will is there. (Not to mention the real end goal for the media coverage was revealed years later, so people slowly came back to it after the dust settled)*Disclaimer: I am not a FB or a Si valley digital media employee

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 07:52:32 pm
content: Quote from: peter-h on July 29, 2023, 04:59:51 pmDo you realize how cute two Commodore 1581s stacked on top of each other are?? Especially on a foundation of a FD-2000 and 1570?Sigh... I know it's all trinkets...

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 08:58:06 pm
content: Haha, the 1581 FDDs were awfully slow. No doubt many people still have fond memories though.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 02:53:35 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on July 30, 2023, 08:58:06 pmSurely you are thinking of the 1541?https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/Commodore_1581

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 08:36:17 pm
content: Quote from: Alex Eisenhut on July 31, 2023, 02:53:35 amYes true, the 1541 was much worse. The main one I had in mind.That said, even the 1581 was not particularly fast compared to what could be achieved with a 3.5" FDD of the same era, essentially due to the fact the interface was still serial. It had the capability of using a parallel interface but the latter was never actually used AFAIK. The "burst" transfer was a whopping 9KB/s. Much faster than the 1541, but the Apple II FDDs could achieve almost twice that years earlier.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_1581

author: Alex Eisenhut
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timestamp: July 31, 2023, 10:31:12 pm
content: We know.Legend has it he's still waiting.https://steemit.com/retrocomputing/@darth-azrael/epyx-fast-load-commodore-64Jiffy DOS and various fast loaders got up to 19K per second.