Toroid core with circular cross-section  - Page 1
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author: ricko_uk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2021, 03:46:13 pm
content: Hi,most toroids are rectangula cross-section with rounded corners. But I am looking for toroids (just the cores) with perfectly circular cross-section like this onehttps://www.hificollective.co.uk/sites/default/files/jantzen-c-coil-inductor-datasheet.pdfApart from that Jantzen manufacturer, where can I source them from?Do they have some standard names or identifying code?Thank you

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2021, 08:29:55 am
content: Bonjour ricko_uk:The Jantzen part is a woofer crossover inductor, for use 1kHz< with few details re the core. The Jantzen spec is focused on the wire and other "features" of this "high end" inductor.1/ Q Your motivation for round CX sec of the core?2/ Q Specific type of magnetic material required, eg ferrite, transformer steel, powdered iron?If you have the motivation, you can test with any off the shelf crossover inductor (eg aircore) of similar L and R, and just LISTEN to the audio.I believe that the costly Jantzen "high end" inductor will not sound any different than any stock part.This viewpoint is from an electrical engineer, and not an "audiophile".Enjoy,Jon

author: ricko_uk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2021, 07:09:57 pm
content: Thank you Jon,Quote from: jonpaul on October 20, 2021, 08:29:55 am1) it is not for audio application but to test an idea for a measuring instrument.2) in order of preference: powdered iron, ferrite, transformer steel.Do you know other places/manufacturers where I can source them from?Thank you

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2021, 05:49:45 am
content: Rebonjour ricko_ukThe design of an inductor or transformer includes the power level, frequency ranges, voltages currents etc.After these requirements are determined by the particular application, the choice of core shape, wire, bobbin (if any) winding and wore layout can begin. Thus is part of magnetics design.Thus your note ... in order of preference: powdered iron, ferrite, transformer steel.... reveals that more work is needed to specify exactly what you seek to accomplish.For shapes, instead of toroids, ferrite UU, EI and EE cores are all available with round center legs.Toroids all have chamfered rect or square CX sec for ease of molding and winding. The Jantzen part may have such a core CX but it is covered in tape, shield, etc.Core vendorsFerrite: TDK, EPCOS, Tayen Yudo, Nippon Ceramic, Fair RitePowdered iron: MicrometalsTransformer steel: Arnold Magnetics, Magnetics inc,I suggest you research more deeply you specifications, the field of magnetcs design and the vendor catalogs, then proceed.You will learn a lot.Bon Chance,Jon

author: ricko_uk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2021, 02:14:31 pm
content: Thank you again Jon!The application is an experimental setup. Not for audio, not a transformer or anything toroids/ferrites are commonly used for.That is why I was listing the materials preferences rather than other specs.But useful vendors list. Some of them I didn't know.It doesn't look like any of them do toroids with perfectly circular cross section.Thank you again!

author: ciccio
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2021, 04:05:34 pm
content: Circular wound metal cores are used in R-core power transformers.http://jamestransformer.com/en/transformer/R_core_transformer.htmlBest regards

author: Terry Bites
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2021, 09:06:32 pm
content: ancient history maybehttps://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/power-transformer-core-has-circular-cross-section-12168

author: Just_another_Dave
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 25, 2021, 09:10:18 pm
content: Quote from: ricko_uk on October 25, 2021, 02:14:31 pmIf you’re going to produce a significant amount of devices, some core manufacturers make custom cores (even for experimental setups, as long as the final production is guaranteed to be done by them)

author: mazurov
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2021, 06:09:31 pm
content: How close to circular is acceptable? Check Amidon FT-23-W ->https://www.amidoncorp.com/ft-23-w/