BM869s or Fluke 87 - Page 1
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author: multime
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2015, 10:40:38 pm
content: Just rekindling my interest in electronics and picking a good multimeter as the extech 330 i have now is a bit slow etc. I have watched the utube reviews of BM869s and Fluke 87 but i just cant make my mind up. I have had a Fluke 87 before and a good piece of kit it was but i couldnt afford a new one, so it would be a case of second hand of ebay were as the BM869 is affordable new. So would appreciate any views on this.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2015, 10:47:33 pm
content: It would help to know- what your requirements are- what country you are located in- what your budget is

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 14, 2015, 10:49:07 pm
content: Everyone knows my opinion, except for you!There is no reason to not get the Brymen B869s. It is built with very well, as well as the Fluke IMHO, and has many more features for less money. I became a distributor for Brymen after owning three different models first. OK, it has only one year warranty instead of "lifetime" but that would be the only thing that you can complain about.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2015, 11:57:00 pm
content: ...and no 'Auto Hold'. Transient peak hold is average at 800uS instead of 250uS for the Fluke. Fluke can check Zener diodes with 7.9V open voltage instead of 3.5V. Fluke has a smoothing feature to slow down display refresh rate, when there is a fast changing signal.Fluke battery life 400 hours, 100 hours on the Brymen. Fluke is good up to 90% humidity at 35C instead of 78% for the Brymen.1 meter safe drop on the Fluke. Proper shrouded thermocouple with the Fluke (MP81), instead of the flimsy banana plug one that comes with the Brymen. Zoom and centering mode for the bargraph on the Fluke for Null indications.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 15, 2015, 12:01:01 am
content: Oops, Wytnucls is correct, there is no touch hold for measurements. This can be faked with MAX or Crest measurement.

author: multime
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2015, 02:55:15 pm
content: Thanks for the replies all, I was a little short of time when I made my first post so here is a bit more info:retiredcaps, in answer to your questions:The meter would mainly be used for electronics hobby, project testing etc, but I do like a quality piece of kit even if it does have features I may never useI am located in the UK and my budget would be £150 max.LightagesTo be honest I was leaning towards the brymen as its had good write ups and is a decent price compared to a new fluke but you have put me off the brymen somewhat with the warranty thing, that's not to say I wouldn't consider buying one but imagine in month 13 of ownership and it packs up, were does that leave me. Is there even a place in the UK I could send it for what may be a costly repair, just some concerns.WytnuclsVery informative especially the battery life which was my main bugbear with my Fluke 87 it just seemed to eat batteries compared to the Fluke 77 I also had, which had a harder life and was used more frequently than the 87 but who,s battery seemed to last forever. So the 100 hour life for the bymen battery is a real turn off. Just wondering how battery life would be affected for both meters if 9v lithium batts were used. Regarding the warranty (3year) that's confidence in your product but is the warranty transferable as I could only afford a second hand Fluke 87 if not I have no warranty.This decision is not getting any easier

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 15, 2015, 03:21:56 pm
content: Yes the one year warranty puts people off. I understand. On the other hand, I have not heard of anyone complaining about a failed Brymen. There are companies which re-brand or use Brymen designs for their meters. Some of them just re-brand the exact same meter as a Brymen model and then give it a lifetime warranty.

author: multime
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2015, 10:29:06 pm
content: The other major stumbling block is the battery life, its not great. The point you made (Some of them just re-brand the exact same meter as a Brymen model and then give it a lifetime warranty) could you name any companies who do this as that would certainly be an avenue to explore, "Lifetime warranty" has a nice ring to it. Regarding the battery life, there is a point that's always puzzled me with multimeters especially the ones that are heavy on the battery usage. Why don't the manufacturers include the option to run them from a small psu. I have modded a few battery powered items to run in this way.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 15, 2015, 11:57:42 pm
content: Greenlee is one example. The DM860a is the BM869 with different colors and a new name. Greenlee tends to be 1.5x more expensive but you can sometimes find good deals on ebay from sellers in the US.An external power supply is an added design problem. A meter that is rated to withstand CATIV/1000V also needs an isolated power supply able to withstand the same.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 12:01:17 am
content: Battery life notesThe battery life of the Fluke 70 series is 2000 hours using a standard 9V alkaline battery. I have measured my Fluke 70 series and it consumes around 275uA on average for all functions. No current selling new multimeter comes close to the 2000 hour battery life.The current Fluke 27 and 28 series II is rated at 800 hours using three AA cells.The original Fluke 87 series I is rated at 500 hours. I measured my original 87 series I and got around 1mA or less for most functions. The current Fluke 87 series V is rated at 400 hours.Lithium batteries generally give longer run time, but they cost significantly more than your standard alkaline. For example, an Energizer LA522 lithium 9V 750mAh battery might cost $7 each, but only last 25% longer than an Energizer 9V 600mAh battery that costs $1.50 on sale.http://www.batterymart.com/p-energizer-la522-9volt-lithium-battery.htmlhttp://www.batterymart.com/p-energizer-industrial-9v-alkaline-batteries-12pk.htmlPersonally, I like multimeters that use AA or AAA because I can use nimh Eneloops.WarrantyThe warranty for a Fluke 80V meter is clearly stated in the manual (copied below). As you can see, it is clearly spelled out in English what is covered and what is not.For "lifetime warranty" with other manufacturers, youmustread the terms and conditions as each manufacturer takes several liberties with the word "lifetime".For multimeters that have a one year warranty, your warranty might be extended to two years if you have a credit card that doubles the warranty.Brymen metersBrymen meters are sold rebranded under several names. Looking at ebay UK only, here are two that might slip underneath people's radar and you might get them at reasonable prices if you choose to buy used. Depending on your final purchase price, you may be able to buy two used meters for under your budget?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151590379562http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301530497076You can match up which Brymen meters they are by looking at the Brymen site. The specs for battery life will be on Brymen's website.http://www.brymen.com/product-html/index.htmlI have no affiliation with the sellers and of course, you must do you own homework on the sellers, return policy, ratings, condition, etc. Obviously, no manufacturer is going to honor warranty from sites/sellers like ebay regardless of condition.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 12:16:29 am
content: BTW, here are a couple of completed ebay UK auctions that ended in the last 48 hours since your first post. You could have gotten an used Fluke 85 series I and a Fluke 87 V combined + shipping and still have a bit of beer money left over with your stated budget.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251829187949http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271774894535

author: apelly
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 12:37:36 am
content: I have both. (869, not 's') I love them both.Wytnucls raises good points. And you should listen to him.869 has PC connectivity with optional cable.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 12:47:47 am
content: OK Wytnucls, so you start digging for all the little things the 87V has over the BM869s, how about dong the same the other way around. I was being pretty general with my assessment.Off the top of my head, BM869s has better accuracy, 50,000 count and 500,000 count available, CATIV/1000V rating, dual display, dBM measurement, dual temperature, conductance, and PC interface option.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 01:09:38 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on February 14, 2015, 10:49:07 pmYou made a sweeping statement, blinded by your attachment to Brymen. I only pointed out things he may be complaining about after his purchase.I don't dispute that the 869 is a good, fully featured meter, but like all meters, it is not 100% perfect.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 03:22:59 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on February 16, 2015, 01:09:38 amIndeed.The Fluke 87V is annoying in that it defaults to AC current mode, and can't permanently power-up into a 4 1/2 digit mode.The 869 is very hard to ignore in terms of functionality.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 03:24:57 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on February 16, 2015, 12:47:47 amThe Fluke does conductance.

author: dadler
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 03:50:00 am
content: Quote from: multime on February 14, 2015, 10:40:38 pmI just picked up a 869 and is is a great meter. Just north of $200 USD from TME.eu. In particular, the continuity function is blazing fast. I will contend that the build quality is not quite up to the same level as Fluke. The plastics used seem slightly cheaper, and at least on my unit, one of the input jacks is off center so it's not as easy to get the probe connector in. It also won't let me leave the backlight on for very long. These are very minor grievances though.I also have a Fluke 287 which is itself a great meter. If money was at all an issue: If I was going to have to choose between the 87V, 287, and BM869, I would go with the BM869. Lots of resolution/accuracy/features for the price.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 03:56:40 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 16, 2015, 03:24:57 amThanks for the correction. Like I said, "off the top of my head".

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 03:58:58 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on February 16, 2015, 01:09:38 amBlinded? No. Biased? Perhaps. It is not like I don't own a Fluke or haven't used many over my life.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 05:31:50 am
content: Quote from: dadler on February 16, 2015, 03:50:00 amI'd have to agree with this assessment.As pointed out, the BM869 isn't perfect (none of them are IMHO), but it's issues can certainly be lived with. And it's always nice to have other meters anyway to check against when you do get something unexpected.

author: Ebivetar
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 09:07:24 am
content: @ LightagesDoes Brymen have DMM's with autohold function?I was looking at hioki DT4281 review here on the forum. This meter looks great but it lacks bargraphOther japneese multimeters have this function but are way more expensiv then 87

author: rob77
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 09:22:47 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 16, 2015, 03:24:57 amBM869s does conductance as well...it has a nS range for measuring conductance.i never had a fluke, so i can't compare, but i do have A bm869S and it's a well built decent meter definitely worth of the money.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 05:16:16 pm
content: No, none of the Brymens have auto hold. You can fake this with many meters by using the MIN/MAX function. This isn't anywhere near as convenient but it does work. You have to clear the data each time to make a new measurement.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 05:33:30 pm
content: And, with most meters, be on the right manual range before you start, if the reading is going to be higher than your lowest auto range. There is no beep, when a good reading has been taken.Pain in the backside.The Gossen Data Hold is even better, giving two beeps, instead of one, for a new measurement which is within 100 digits of the previous one. Great while probing several points which should have the same voltage, for instance. There is no need to look up at the meter, until only one beep is heard.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 09:57:34 pm
content: I just tested every meter I have for its behavior when using the MAX/MIN as an "auto hold" function. All the Brymens I have on hand will autorange during MAX/MIN recording. My UEi DM397 actually has a true auto hold. It stupidly needs to ranged correctly first.Every other meter I have that has the MAX/MIN recording capability will not autorange in that mode.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 10:14:17 pm
content: The Gossen MetraHit 30M and 26S don't auto-range in Min/Max. The Fluke 185 does.

author: wreeve
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 10:19:44 pm
content: but what are the continuity buzzers liked? if not instant like a fluke I wouldn't bother!

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 10:34:21 pm
content: All Brymens have instant continuity test, but they are not latched. Some people prefer latched, and some not latched. The benefit some people see with not latched is that they can hear the quality of switches and such.

author: Robomeds
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 10:37:05 pm
content: I've played with several of the Bryman meters and have a Fluke 87V. I prefer the 87 but only if you can find a deal. It's hard to overlook the price savings and I think most of the time the differences are non-issues. The only exception is, I must say, I really like the touch hold, that is a great feature!

author: andrija
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 10:44:10 pm
content: Quote from: wreeve on February 16, 2015, 10:19:44 pmBM869 has excellent continuity tester, as does my Fluke 115. The only major negative is that is it big, bulky and unwieldy. It is not very comfortable to use in one's hand. I find using my Fluke 115 way more often despite of it having way less functionality, just because it is a joy to use, from just holding it to the action of its dial. The calibration on 869 I received was also a bit off . I'd say buy Brymen 257 - which seems good size and comfy - unless you REALLY need extras.

author: multime
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 11:03:15 pm
content: Thanks Lightages for the info on other makes and see what your saying over psu.retiredcapsyeah fantastic battery life on 70 series, its why i was annoyed at the batt life on 87. the brymen usage is 6.5mAtypical.The Fluke warranty terms may rule out buying secondhand, (maybe), thanks for the links to ebay put the Metrel in my watch list. It appears to be a rebadged 867 pity there,s a reserve but worth keeping a eye out for Metrel. I have benn searching ebay for 87s and have one in my watch list but missed the one you spotted.apellyI have had some good advice Wytnucls and other poster to. Do you know what the difference if any there is between the 869 and 869sdadleryeah i dont think you can expect Fluke build quality at the price but your not the first to be impressed with the brymen.Thanks to all the other contributers that i have not mentioned by name to, this thread has helped to make my mind up.What i have decided to do is go for the Brymen 869s Dont know what the s indicates but its the one available to me can anyone enlighten me on that. Just need to clarify what the waranty procedure would be in the UK, maybe Lightages may know.I just couldnt afford a new Fluke and with no warranty on a second hand one i figure the brymen,s the best option even with the poor battery life. I am though going to look out for a used 87 on ebay at a good price once i have built up the funds, Just hope i have made the right choice.

author: apelly
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 11:15:03 pm
content: Quote from: multime on February 16, 2015, 11:03:15 pmNo. I have read here somewhere that it is a minor update to comply with stricter CAT ratings. I'm sure Lightages will have complete information for you.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 11:44:35 pm
content: AFAIK, it is the same meter as the first model 869, resubmitted for UL listing under the new regulations.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2015, 11:48:51 pm
content: Yes, as far as I have been told by Brymen, the "s" versions are updated version to meet the latest standards. The biggest difference is that all models have fuses to match their highest voltage ratings.As far as warranty goes in the UK, sorry I can't be of any help there. Your retailer will let you know how to handle it, if you need it.

author: Stupid Beard
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2015, 12:16:02 am
content: Quote from: multime on February 16, 2015, 11:03:15 pmI just (in the UK) got a BM257s from tme.eu (who are in Poland), which seemed to be the place most people were getting them from here. They sent some printed info on warranty conditions with it; the important part is that you would have to send it back to them at your own expense. It's a bit of a pain but there's no UK distributor as far as I know.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2015, 03:11:09 pm
content: Should have bought a Metrel:http://www.metrel.co.uk/uk_distribution_partners.htmlhttp://www.metrel.co.uk/productsuk/digital_multimeters_current_clamps_voltage_testers/digital_multimeters.html

author: multime
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2015, 03:28:35 pm
content: A change of plan, didn't realise that there was tax to pay on the 869 and that takes it out of my budget at the moment.WytnuclsIt may yet be a Metrel (Metrel MD 9060) let me know if you see a cheap one.Don't like the sound of returning to Poland for repair.Is nothing ever easy

author: multime
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 23, 2015, 10:31:22 pm
content: Has anyone used this website to buy fromhttp://www.welectron.com/they have brymens at an OK price and it would just be slightly over my budget but do,able. but I would feel easier buying if anyone has had a good experience with them.

author: parallax
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2020, 04:36:43 pm
content: Quote from: multime on February 23, 2015, 10:31:22 pmI ordered a Brymen 869s from Welectron. Package arrived 3 days later (Charlotte, North Carolina)I chose Welectron rather than TME because the price was slightly cheaper, and I found the website easier to navigate.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2020, 07:10:07 pm
content: Brymen all the way, i totally hate the newest 87 revisions, starting in ac mode, and you get better resolution(s) display / display range and a logging possibility later if you buy the usb interface kit

author: kgavionics
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2020, 02:22:25 am
content: Bought the Brymen BM869s and couldn't be happier!!! for a fraction of fraction of price of the fluke you get a decent meter! Don't get me wrong! fluke meters are the standard, but they should revise their pricing policies! i think fluke meters are overpriced specially, the high ends ones! the 87V costs 590CAD and a Rigol Oscilloscope model 1054Z costs 450 CAD just saying!!

author: parallax
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2020, 03:01:11 am
content: I compared the voltage readings against the PENTAREFhttps://voltagestandard.com/pentaref. The 5 reference voltages have a resolution to 4 decimal places (0.0001 V). PENTAREF voltage references:1.0001 V3.0000 V3.8500 V4.2000 V9.9999 VThe Fluke 87V has a resolution to only 3 decimal places (10 V only 2 decimal places) in standard resolution. For high resolution, it added a 4th decimal place for readings under 2 V, and kept 3 decimal places for readings under 20 V.Fluke 87V Standard Resolution:1.000 V3.000 V3.850 V4.200 V10.00 VFluke 87V High Resolution:0.9999 V2.999 V3.849 V4.199 V9.999 VEven though all readings are within spec, it is interesting that switching from standard resolution to high resolution affected the readings by 0.001 V.These are the Brymen 869s readings. Notice how the Brymen's standard resolution goes to the 4th decimal place and high resolution to the 5th decimal place.Brymen 869s Standard Resolution:1.0001 V3.0002 V3.8503 V4.2005 V10.000 VBrymen 869s High Resolution:1.00017 V3.00032 V3.85041 V4.20053 V10.0012 VThis Brymen 869s shows as much as a 0.0001 V reading difference when switching from standard to high resolution.The UNI-T 210E clamp meter has a 3 decimal place resolution for readings under 2 V, and only 2 decimal place resolution for readings over 2 V.UNI-T 210E resolution:0.999 V2.99 V3.84 V4.19 V9.98 VConsidering that the voltage readings are pretty accurate against the PENTAREF, the versatility of the clamp DC current measurement, its compact size, and $43.00 price tag, this UNI-T 210E clamp meter may be the best value and most convenient multimeter I own for my RC hobby bag.In its defense, with upgraded ProbeMaster probes, the Innova 3320 performed pretty well against the reference voltage, with similar decimal place resolution as the more versatile UNI-T 210E clamp meter.Innova 3320 resolution:1.000 V2.99 V3.84 V4.19 V9.99 V

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 07:08:35 am
content: Quote from: kgavionics on May 17, 2020, 02:22:25 amThe Fluke's aren't priced for you, they deliberately leave the lower cost market to other players. They don't want to and do't have to get into a race to the bottom.The exception for Fluke is the Asian market where they have specific made in China models.

author: J-R
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 07:52:22 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 18, 2020, 07:08:35 amThe simple fact is Fluke's USA manufacturing costs are higher.But deals are out there if you're willing to search for a bit. What I paid for new in box, full kits, with calibration + data: 87V - $297; 287/FVF - $213; 233 - $169.Solid build quality. As for DCV accuracy, none of them have been more than 2 counts out. Having calibration data is great.I paid about $280 for a full deluxe BM869s package, no calibration/data.Out of the box my BM869s was over 120 counts low at 5V in 500,000 count mode. After adjustment it is now typically within 10 counts. Pretty happy with it now. I like the dual display and update speed. Build quality is good.All of these have serious "flaws" but also at the same time have some really attractive features. It isn't proper to compare them if all you're doing is checking the voltage on your car battery...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 07:52:50 pm
content: Quote from: kgavionics on May 17, 2020, 02:22:25 amHappy here too.Bought mine from welectron and done externalcalibration.This device does not have to hide behind a fluke 87, except the price

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 08:16:43 pm
content: Quote from: J-R on May 18, 2020, 07:52:22 pmOh, rubbish. They may be higher but not $200 higher.The fact is that Fluke has an oversized brand name and a lot of Military and Corporate accounts to sell to. They don't need to get into a price war, nobody gets fired for buying a Fluke.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 08:26:38 pm
content: We (Company where I work)buy fluke only - I came up with my private Brymen and the calibration results advising to buy this cheaper but equal good one...No way.It must be fluke, nothing else.

author: J-R
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 09:55:24 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on May 18, 2020, 08:16:43 pmI assure you the costs are significantly higher. There is the pure cost of labor plus health insurance, sick leave, vacation leave, family leave, retirement benefits. Then the manufacturing plant has to deal with environmental regulations, permits, etc. Just the cost of having an employee on your books is typically 50% wages and 50% extraneous. Litigation costs.There is also the major factor of import/export subsidies/taxes which can create imbalances with regard to "value for money".I've actually been to quite a few local trade shows and there are other brands that compete with Fluke in the "military and corporate accounts" space, such as Greenlee and Keysight. A lot of what you're bashing Fluke for is more about buyers choosing a company that they can trust, both at the product level and support level and settling on a specific standard. And they are willing to pay extra for that...

author: J-R
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 10:07:38 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on May 18, 2020, 08:26:38 pmI'm game, let's make it an apples-apples comparison. Which specific Fluke and Brymen meters and what does your company use the DMMs for? Are there specific industry regulations or standards that the DMM must meet?And you're preaching to the choir because I pretty much find my BM869s more useful on a daily basis than my Fluke 287 or 87V. But I think it is always important on this forum to be specific and scientific about what we're talking about whenever possible.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 10:16:32 pm
content: Our used equipment must fullfill military standards, yearly external calibrations.We had to disclaim it in the factory acceptance protocolls.Therefore it´s "hard" to establish an "unknown" manufacturer as brymen is.Although it can compete to fluke.I´ve tested the brymen 869s against fluke 87V, fluke 187, fluke 189 and the newer one I´ve actually forgot it´s name.

author: shakalnokturn
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 11:53:29 pm
content: Having owned Brymen and Fluke meters, I'd say that Brymen are lower build quality still very good and definitely a better cost/performance than Fluke considering prices new.Some of the Flukes are a little fragile where the banana input assembly joins the PCB.As you're in the UK you may want to consider this one if it's still available:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/for-sale-(irelanduk)-slumberger-multimeter-(rebranded-metrix-mx-59-hd)/By now I have about ten variations of the older versions of it, some of which are twenty years old now, and they're all within tolerance.They have a decent set of features and are quite well built despite being of French design. The only thing I'd complain about is the knob being a little too recessed.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2020, 12:28:23 am
content: Quote from: J-R on May 18, 2020, 09:55:24 pmGreenlee are rebadged Brymen!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 19, 2020, 12:34:20 am
content: Quote from: J-R on May 18, 2020, 10:07:38 pmMeasurementconfidence.People buy Fluke because they have proven themselves for over 40 years, and companies that take metrology seriously have decades of history that Fluke meters can be relied upon.It's no surprise that they continue to buy a known quantity and are happy to pay a premium for that. This is the market like likes of Fluke sell into. They don't care if Joe Average buys a better bang-per-buck meter.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2020, 01:14:31 am
content: Quote from: J-R on May 18, 2020, 09:55:24 pmYeah, but not $200+per meter. A Fluke 87V has a slightly higher BOM than the $80 Fluke 15b+ but doesn't take any more production/assembly.What percentage of the parts of the 87V are actually sourced in China?

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2020, 02:06:07 am
content: Quote from: shakalnokturn on May 18, 2020, 11:53:29 pmI own one Brymen (BM857), have seen/used rebadged ones (Amprobe and Greenlee) and I have/had several Flukes and can tell the same thing: Brymen is an excellent price/performance, electrically robust, but the mid/high range Flukes are better built and have a few details that are slightly better (the peak and the autohold mentioned before). They also have a few kinks such as the default AC mode on currents on the 87V (although I personally don't consider this a bad thing) and the fragile plastic screws that hold the battery compartment door on the 87V and 287/289. The 175/177/179 have real screws.

author: J-R
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2020, 04:05:38 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 19, 2020, 12:28:23 amYes, that is why I specifically mentioned them!I picked up the Greenlee DM-210 (rebranded Brymen BM202) when it first came out.