ChatGPT - I asked some questions - You should too! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2023, 09:28:34 am
content: I had the idea of asking ChatGPT all about Electricity.I've been find it very useful for explaining how it works, I highly Recommend beginners to ask your Questions to ChatGPT, it never gets offended and you can Asked it again and again to rephrase it for you.I have asked it to explain Voltage and Current, Electron Drift and Maxwell's Equations, does Electron Spin create electricity, Poynting Vectors... all those gritty details that you will be hard to find elsewhere with 1 ExceptionThe Science Asylumhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOVL_fPox2K9MtRv68T_cmWwQUbg9YR4FIt's only been about 6 months since I discovered Veritasium's Video and his Follow up. In following the trail, I then found Rick Hartley (PCB designer), followed by Eric Bogatin, and Others:Most useful of these the Altium Designer videos (PCB software company) has been posting their keynote speakers and I've learnt so much.Rick Hartley at AltiumI just want to say, that Steady State DC works great with Lumped Models, until ... we add variation (Transient) into our circuits, as in anything that Switches, a 555 timer, a Microcontroller, a Mosfet.The Reality is that we will not get to talk to EE's that understand Maxwell's equations or Poynting vectors.I would like to think that this information can get some hobbyists mind out of the Water Model and into the Electromagnetic Field Model.Some might argue that I'm creating division or confusion, I would say I'm bridging the baby steps we have been taught towards better understanding of the Universe (The Electromagnetic Universe)What's the difference between Light (you see with your eyes) and energy in a circuit?Do you have Questions? Ask GPTAnswer: frequencyThink about this then, how do we create Radio Waves from electronic parts to be transmitted into 'thin air'

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2023, 09:29:55 am
content: Why am I so soft in the middle when the rest of my life is so hard?

author: Ranayna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2023, 01:03:58 pm
content: Can someone who asks ChatGPT questions about a subject that they do not know, ever really trust any answer that ChatGPT gives?ChatGPT knows language, and it knows language almost scarily well, but not facts. It is also well known that ChatGPT invents "facts" and also can change "facts" when pressured.But since it knows language so well, it can be very convincing with it's "facts".

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2023, 01:14:18 pm
content: Quote from: Ranayna on July 07, 2023, 01:03:58 pmAsk a four year old, why is the sky blue?

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2023, 01:42:28 pm
content: @OP did you ask ChatGPT to write your post ?

author: LinuxHata
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2023, 04:43:45 pm
content: I asked a simplest way to convert DC to AC and it suggested to use bridge rectifier.Not joking, no typo, I have screenshots somewhere, but you can ask by yourself.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2023, 05:08:36 pm
content: ChatGPT is very stupid when it comes to the exact sciences, in particular electrodynamics or math. It knows a lot of knowledge pieces from different science sources, but ChatGPT don't know how to use this knowledge to draw any useful conclusions.The worse thing is that ChatGPT always write false math equations and ascribes authorship to non-existent scientific papers or gives links to scientific papers where there is nothing like what he cites.You can use ChatGPT as a more cunning search engine than google, but you can't believe to things which he says, you're always needs to search original primary source and check any fact that ChatGPT claims.Unfortunately about 95% of information taken from ChatGPT and related to exact science (such as physics, math, etc) is false and misleading. So I would not suggest to learn something from ChatGPT.

author: Terry Bites
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2023, 06:04:10 pm
content: Ask it how many jobs it will destroy and how many jobs AI will create.Its great at waffle, where did it learn that?

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 01:28:30 am
content: Quote from: Terry Bites on July 07, 2023, 06:04:10 pmWhat jobs did I destroy by asking ChatGPT questions that you wouldn't give the time of day for?

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 01:36:01 am
content: Quote from: LinuxHata on July 07, 2023, 04:43:45 pmOK, but I'm not here to defend ChatGPT and its responses, that's ridiculous.Also why would you use it for something obvious? it's a conversation, did you correct it? Ask it that the response was backwards?I asked it "what do I use to change DC to AC?"This is the Answer:Quote

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 01:39:01 am
content: Quote from: Shock on July 07, 2023, 10:56:11 amSo, your smart and completed 12 years of schooling and more, well done humanCan I ask your IQ?

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 01:43:06 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 07, 2023, 01:14:18 pmI asked ChatGPT why the sky is blue:QuoteOh Yes, 4 year olds will answer just like this

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 01:43:43 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on July 07, 2023, 09:29:55 amWhy reply with Non-sense

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 01:46:09 am
content: Quote from: Bud on July 07, 2023, 01:42:28 pmI didn't ask ChatGPT to write this post, it took Effort on my part. Was there some information you wanted to exchange?

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 02:22:53 am
content: I asked ChatGPT who Heaviside was. Who is Heaviside? Why was Heaviside important?I would of asked the Forum and you would of given the Wikipedia page or just ignored it.If I looked at all the responses to my post,0were positive, some were sceptical about ChatGPT and others were questioning if I'm humanWhy would I bother with YOU?This is the reason I wrote this post, as I said, NO EE or Advanced Electrician is going to take your question seriously, then it's good to learn it from something other than. One tool is ChatGPT.Quote from: Shock on July 07, 2023, 10:56:11 amYeah, I'm dumb. I never completed high school and Electrical Engineering wasn't in my school, even if it was, I quit at Year 10. Thanks for thatThen again I'm the smartest person I know in my household, I can ask my neighbour about how Electrical Power flows though to their house, and will be looking at me like I'm crazyI'll tell him to go read a University or High School text book or that they were too Lazy to even look it up. Worked for you right?I've been called dumb plenty of times before, sticks and stones

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 02:30:54 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on July 07, 2023, 05:08:36 pmQuote from: Ranayna on July 07, 2023, 01:03:58 pmThis ScreamsTrust me Bro

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 02:37:09 am
content: I asked ChatGPT:differential pairs in 2 wires vs on a pcb is there a difference?QuoteResult:FactsHumansToo busy insulting each other

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 03:29:50 am
content: Corrected for the Playlist. Individual video from The Science Asylum was a mistakehttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOVL_fPox2K9MtRv68T_cmWwQUbg9YR4F

author: liaifat85
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 07:18:48 am
content: For guidelines about PCB designing software, I did not find ChatGPT much dependable.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 10:13:21 am
content: Quote from: DarkMode on July 08, 2023, 02:30:54 amNo, this is just my finding after many attempts to get some answer from chat-gpt. Usually chat-gpt going into loop like this:QuoteJust a simple example how chat-gpt doing "calculations":QuoteAs you can see it gives you incorrect calculations and as result incorrect answer.Just FYI:4.5^4.5 ≈ 620.92 is incorrect, the correct answer is 4.5^4.5 ≈ 869.874.6^4.6 ≈ 827.93 is incorrect, the correct answer is 4.6^4.6 ≈ 1118.624.7^4.7 ≈ 1099.5 is incorrect, the correct answer is 4.7^4.7 ≈ 1441.654.65^4.65 ≈ 982.97 is incorrect, the correct answer is 4.65^4.65 ≈ 1269.574.66^4.66 ≈ 1002.82 is incorrect, the correct answer is 4.66^4.66 ≈ 1302.20The total answer x ≈ 4.65 is incorrect, the correct answer is x ≈ 4.556.As you can see, chat-gpt just provide you with false calculations and you believe that it's truth, but in reality it is false. The same thing happens with almost any calculations provided by chat-gpt, it almost always has mistakes and misleading you. The same thing happens with formulas, it can provide you with some invalid formula which looks very similar to the truth, but in reality it is false. If you ask chat-gpt where he got that formula it provide you some science paper name. But in reality there is no such science paper, or if it exists, there is no such formula at all. If you notice that there is no such source, or it doesn't have such formula it provide you another science source name, also false. I tried to get the right source, but chat-gpt provided me dozens of non-existent scientific articles or existing but without any mention about formula which he used.After dozen attempts I realized, that if chat-gpt provided you with false information, you will be unable to get correct answer from chat-gpt, even if you provide detail explanation of every chat-gpt mistake...You cannot believe chat-gpt, because most of things that it provides you is a false information, but it's very nicely framed, so you won't notice it right away.The main issue of chat-gpt, is that it provides false and misleading information, but it doing it in that way so it looks like truth and if you don't check every detail in chat-gpt answer, you even didn't notice that you're got false information. That's a problem.

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 10:48:15 am
content: Quote from: radiolistener on July 08, 2023, 10:13:21 amThanks for that, I know you took time and effort into making this replyI think you are using ChatGPT incorrectly, here you expect it to know to calculate, this is not the function of ChatGPT.If I opened an Encyclopaedia and searched for Algebra expressions, it will give me the information on what Algebra is, not necessarily how to solve an individual problem.You can Ask it for suggestions, but's it's not the personal assistant we hoped for, it's a Encyclopaedia-Ai addition.It also depends on the USER and their expectations; you asked a Language Model to Solve math problems.Pst - That's what Google is ForGoogle solved the problem, but it's not going to explain into words abstract language.https://www.google.com.au/search?q=4.5+to+the+power+of+4.5&source=hp&ei=Mj2pZPnEINav2roPhMiU6Ak&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZKlLQmqprbP-ChlvSwup6w8H-Hgntc8G&ved=0ahUKEwj5pbGQ9v7_AhXWl1YBHQQkBZ0Q4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=4.5+to+the+power+of+4.5&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6Ihc0LjUgdG8gdGhlIHBvd2VyIG9mIDQuNTIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAFI850BUMQ7WIOaAXAIeACQAQKYAe4CoAGxM6oBCDEuMi4yMy4zuAEDyAEA-AEBqAIKwgIQEAAYAxiPARjqAhiMAxjlAsICEBAuGAMYjwEY6gIYjAMY5QLCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICCxAAGIoFGLEDGIMBwgIIEAAYgAQYsQPCAgUQABiABMICCBAAGIoFGLEDwgIIEAAYgAQYyQPCAgYQABgWGB7CAggQABgWGB4YD8ICCBAAGIoFGIYDwgIIECEYFhgeGB3CAgoQIRgWGB4YDxgdwgIEECEYFQ&sclient=gws-wiz

author: baldurn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 10:51:14 am
content: ChatGPT is a useful tool. Yes you need to know it's limitations and faults, but that does not make it useless. Someone said above that it is wrong 95% of the time. Actually it is correct between 70% and 99% depending on the domain. This metric is something the creators are measuring of course.Another points out how it is bad at math. Yes but it gets the method correct. There already exists tools that allows ChatGPT to use a calculator, so it actually calculates correctly. As humans, we wouldn't get these calculations correct either without a calculator.Learning how to use ChatGPT is becoming an important skill.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 11:02:57 am
content: Quote from: DarkMode on July 08, 2023, 10:48:15 amFirst I found that issue of chat-gpt not related to math. I forgot the original topic, as I remember it was something related to physics, electrodynamics general relativity and philosophy. But it's hard to catch it on general talk, because chat-gpt trying to avoid direct answers. Later I found that it's more easy to catch chat-gpt on these issues with math and calculations, because math doesn't allows vague voluminous responses which can be interpreted in different way, so there is less space for manipulation and more easy to catch chat-gpt on false answer, because answer can be easily checkedThat's is interesting note, because it's more easy to learn neural network form exact science like math, because there are present engines which allows to work with formulas and calculations and it can be easily checked, so it should be more easy to learn things like math, but for some reason chat-gpt is very bad with it.So, I think the main goal of chat-gpt is to manipulate with existing set of information in such way to mislead people and make him believe in some random information, due to the fact that it looks like the truth.I think chat-gpt (at least at the current level of development) is the best choice for propaganda and manipulation of public opinion. Chat-gpt can easily deceive gullible people, but for RnD (research and development) tasks it is almost useless.I think the most optimal solution is to consider chat-gpt as a cunning liar who has a lot of information available and his goal is to mislead you and take control on public opinion. Yes, you can get some new information from chat-gpt, but you cannot believe to what he says. And you're needs to check all information obtained from chat-gpt with independent sources.

author: DarkMode
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 12:53:43 pm
content: QuoteThat is correct, sadly my intention was to bring non-technical electronic hobbyists towards the Electrodynamic modelsI used the Buzz word and that buzz word took a life on it's ownEnd of Line

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2023, 09:33:19 pm
content: Isn't that what all buzz words do?