Apple is trolling third-party repair again... - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 09:37:08 pm
content: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/apple-pencils-cant-draw-straight-on-third-party-replacement-ipad-screens/Replace the screen and it very subtly starts behaving a little off. Apple will claim that's because it needs calibration, but then if you replace the controller with the old one (which if anything is even less likely to have the correct cal data) it works normally again. This is really devious, almost like copy protection that makes cracked games appear to work at first but then become unplayable.

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 12:11:23 am
content: The only Apple product I will consider buying is a pre-OSX Mac or Apple II. There just isn't enough value for the money and certainly not enough value to justify the hassle.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 12:22:49 am
content: Honestly, that video is too unscientific to be meaningful. It’s so difficult to draw a straight line on an iPad (since the screen is so slippery), especially with your hand in the air like that, that I don’t think it’s a meaningful demonstration. One cup of coffee could be the difference between the different colors of lines. A much more valid demonstration would use a ruler.Also, I’d want to make sure there aren’t any potential non-human sources of interference, like electromagnetic interference. While I can’t find anything definitive with a quick search, at least some sources say the position sensing is capacitive. And if that’s the case, then I know for a fact that power supply quality matters. Noisier supplies cause less precise, less sensitive finger touch response, so it would not surprise me in the slightest if it did the same thing to the Pencil, if it is in fact capacitive. If there are other sources of interference, it could have an effect. (I am in no way saying this islikely, just that it’s theoretically possible.)

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 02:08:00 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on July 31, 2023, 12:11:23 amThe only Apply product I buy is at the local supermarket or fruit shop. Never owned Apple anything, but I did own a Apple II clone (nicknamed a rotten Apple) I bought in Hong Kong in 1984. It used a 6502 processor, for which I wrote a Morse Code generator in BASIC and machine code - a lot of fun.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 03:13:00 am
content: When I first delved into web development for mobile platforms, I saw that Apple seemed to be rather prominent, so I bought a current model: the Apple iPhone 4 (you know, the one you shouldn't holdthatway).What I did not like was that IT decided how I was going to use it, not me - and I had to wrestle with it to try and stop it from taking over. Talk about a control freak. I had no qualms about eviscerating it from my world. That wasn't straightforward, but it was done.I was more than happy to pack it up and ship it to Dave some time later to aid in App development for the 121GW, only to find it was too old to be of any use.Upon reflection, I can see how the Apple approach would be quite useful for the multitudes that haven't got a clue about what's under the hood - but I'm not one of those.Now, while their product may be targeted for the less technically motivated, I fail to see how - what looks to be - this same approach on replacement parts and repair is appropriate. Someone who puts themself out there as a repairer may be a hack or they may be skilled, experienced and have all the right gear. The customers will soon sort out who's who, but standing in the way of repair for no good reason**really gets my goat.**A good reason is one that has a real, tangible and demonstrable benefit to the consumer - not just "because Apple says so". If they say it's for "safety and security" - I would want them to answer the question: "Exactlyhow?"

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 03:29:56 am
content: QuoteThe off licence is were i buy most of my apple productsQuoteput simply, the safety and security of there bank account.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 03:56:06 am
content: Quoteto justify the hassle ... of course, buy yourself a Surface, a Vajo, or a Lenovo laptop and live perpetually in search of a plug for recharging, compared to those with Apple M1 and M2 who enjoy laptops that reach 20 hours of operationThe real annoying part is: if instead you buy a Mac Studio (which is a best buy for FinalCut), you cannot touch the SSD, you cannot replace it without going through an Apple Center otherwise the computer won't recognize the hardware.Very disappointing, right?Tha'ts exactly what Jobs called "closed, end to end" when he argued with Woz that he wanted an open system instead (like Personal Computers, where you can change and mix parts as you wish), and Jobs explained that it must be fully integrated with the Apple business as a primary requirement for their survival.It is very different from the "ideal computer", so much so that I often dream my own ...(don't think differentbe different ...... if you can)

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 08:19:15 pm
content: Its driven people to spend more effort repairing the genuine screens:

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 10:30:08 pm
content: I wouldn't be surprised if the touchscreen requires calibration to work properly with an Apple Pencil. Using my Apple Pencil from time to time on my iPad it has very precise pressure control and is dead accurate. It's not quite like handwriting but not bad.Replacing the controller likely moves the calibration data over.I'm not sure how you solve this problem, it's likely calibration in the factory is a non-trivial process involving limited quantity test jigs. Perhaps Apple could supply pre-calibrated screens.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2023, 01:13:03 am
content: non repairable products are becoming less and less appealing with the price of goods and services increasing due to the economy

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2023, 03:25:40 am
content: Quotecouple of points on the screen,touch them with your stylus,job done

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2023, 08:01:21 am
content: Quote from: themadhippy on August 01, 2023, 03:25:40 amYes I'm sure Apple's approach to calibrating a pencil that can write with 0.5mm precision is the same as a teacher's Smart Board used.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2023, 10:43:47 pm
content: Ok...what i get from this video is the more expensive the youtuber's microphone is, the worse is the audio.