who can help me to bying a scope? i need for payment&receive&ship to my forwarde - Page 1
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author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2020, 01:33:46 pm
content: My friends, i won a lot on eBay, but seller not receive payments from international paypall accounts, and do not ship to forwarder companies.I need some, who can pay for (from US acc), receive item, and re-ship to my US forwarder address (or to me directly).I pay you via paypall + your interests.Can anybody help?

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2020, 02:56:34 pm
content: It may help if you offer to pay the US "helper" up-front, including all the shipping estimates from their place to yours (or the forwarding US address). Also, if I'm not mistaken, if your account has won the items how does someone else intervene and pay the seller on eBay on your behalf? Why don't you just cancel the purchase and walk away, since the seller didn't specify all the restrictions when you bid?

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2020, 06:10:25 pm
content: Yes, i need US "helper" to make a payment. I pay first to "helper", than he pay to seller.Cause it great thing for its money. Its a company, maybe they have some government restrictions for export such type of electronics.I won, seller cancel the purchase. We discuss that, he can sell it to US account.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2020, 06:40:17 pm
content: I would find someone in person to help you with this, its kinda shady to do on the internet

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2020, 06:53:47 pm
content: My mail-forwarder locates on Delaware it's preferred to be near of this state.I will pay first, and its my own risk, yep it need to be the good known member of this community..the more PayPal insures payments between users.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2020, 11:24:43 am
content: Something else to be aware of. International air freight carriers have just recently almost doubled their rates. I'm now stuck, with a large item sitting at my reshipper in LA California, cost to ship to Australia about double what I expected. And more than I can afford atm. I'm probably going to leave it there till after Christmas, hoping the rates go back down again.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2020, 09:23:42 pm
content: Quote from: smaultre on December 01, 2020, 06:53:47 pmWhoever you pay you want to use "friends and family" so there is no insurance, no fees, and you can't get your money back.Then somehow they pay the ebay seller, but not sure how that would register on the site without going through your account.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2020, 02:54:48 pm
content: Seller was relisted my scope(((. Maybe anybody can "win" it for me? it need to be shipped to My mail-forwarder in Delaware ?You win, i pay for you, then, you ship it to Delaware.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2020, 03:41:17 pm
content: Quote from: smaultre on December 03, 2020, 02:54:48 pmThis is not that easy, as you don''t know how much the helper will win bidding at the end, hence you can not send the money in advance at the right number, while the helper also understandably if he hesitates to bid without your money in hand.Unless, the helper really-really trust you, and vice versa that after winning the bid, that you will send your money, not leaving the helper.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2020, 04:30:19 pm
content: Why you always seek for fraud from me.Buyer can redeem their bid for a short time, whem auction is ended..You really think if i am a swindler, i'm goes so hard way???

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2020, 04:34:15 pm
content: well I have seen craigslist too good to be true prices on high dollar items where people say that the item must be purchased on a ebay listing 'for your eyes only' that will be listed at some kind of specific time you agree upon on ebay through cragislist and email communication. Clearly a scam, not sure how it works, but they use eBay (normally pretty bulletproof). Understandably people are paranoid about creative scams because of things like this.

author: ajb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2020, 05:13:53 pm
content: I don't think anyone is trying to give you a hard time, it's just a lot to ask of someone who doesn't know you. This sort of arrangement are often used for fraud, so people are naturally skeptical. Also, given that you're in Russia, there are export restrictions to consider, which are a big pain in the US. If it turns out that the oscilloscope falls into a restricted export category that can turn bad for a person who helps you (fines and worse are possible, even if not super likely). This is probably why the seller will not ship to a freight forwarder or accept payment from international accounts. If they deal with a lot of test equipment, they almost certainly handle export-controlled items, even if your scope is not one of them, and doing the compliance work probably isn't worth it to them for selling used gear.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2020, 10:43:12 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on December 03, 2020, 04:34:15 pmYes i've seen some kind of this item, where seller "wants" 2000$ for a >>10-20K$ items and ask for a deal in paypall..Another way is a "scam link" where "ebay.com" modified to any other scam sites.But here is a technical professionals? i'm sure?Quote from: ajb on December 03, 2020, 05:13:53 pmExport restrictions, yes i think, it's the right thing, seller not have such time, to analyses every sold item, to comply for export rules, and "ban" all of these for international shipments..

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2020, 11:44:06 pm
content: this is part of reason why people don't like messing with things like ITARhttps://www.pri.org/stories/2015-12-15/how-texas-plumbers-truck-wound-isis-handsin this case, not relevant, maybe high speed heavy industrial centrifuge parts.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2020, 06:48:04 am
content: Thank you friend, for associate me with ISIS..

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2020, 06:58:27 am
content: Quote from: smaultre on December 04, 2020, 06:48:04 amIts the US that makes up these silly ITAR rules to supposedly stop military tech from getting into the wrong hands. I'm pretty sure someone who has the budget for building an ICBM would also have the budget to smuggle some parts.Some ebay scrap resellers also get hands on things that might get covered under ITAR (it can be as simple and harmless looking as a thermal camera that works at higher than 7fps) and they technically would go to jail if they sell it to someone outside the country without appropriate paperwork. So they just choose not to sell internationally to avoid the issue.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2020, 07:53:36 pm
content: I am just telling you what people tend to think about when it comes to ITAR/overseas sales.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2020, 08:59:07 am
content: Quote from: smaultre on December 03, 2020, 04:30:19 pmAlways ? Ha..ha.. so where is the 1st time I did that ?Looking at your reaction there, its CRYSTAL CLEAR your are a fraud that working with the scammer seller or your friend in US, or may be you're the seller him self.Easy, money talks ... no money, no talk.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2020, 10:56:15 am
content: "always" i'm means that several people looked me as that way.I'm think you're quite "paranoic"..Sorry about my English, i have not so much to practice for..I think we can collaborate, and be helpful for each other.Maybe somebody needs some goods from avito.ru (ours bulletin board). Motorcycle parts as a variant, other rare equip..I have a quite good seller\buyer reputation on Ebay, and specialized on the Bruel&Kjaer test equipment.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2020, 11:37:02 am
content: see it from other peoples point of view, before starting this topic you had less than 30 posts probably and you need someone to trust you over quite a bit of undisclosed money.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 12:35:54 am
content: For starters a link to the Ebay item would be extremely helpful to see what kind of item all the fuss is about. That should have been in the starting post and not a vague description like 'a lot on Ebay'.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 05:39:17 am
content: There's no secret'shttps://www.ebay.com/itm/LECROY-44XI-OSCILLOSCOPE-POWERS-ON-NO-OTHER-TESTS/293867961382I'll bought (win) it last time, but seller was cancelled my order

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 05:54:22 am
content: You may find this difficult to accomplish. At one time in the not-too-distant past, that item would have been an export-restricted oscilloscope because it has a sample rate of greater than 2.5GS/s. To send it to you in Russia a seller would be required to 1) obtain an export license and 2) verify that the end user is not using it for military, nuclear, rocketry or a bunch of other things. I don't know if the most recent rules would still include that unit in the export restrictions, but I wasn't able to verify that it wasnotin them in 5 minutes of casual reading. There's no common sense involved in the process and most sellers simply aren't going to take a chance.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 06:21:15 am
content: Chinese (or European) new scopes goes over 20Gs and more, and can be freely purchased by government or military e.t.c.I'm the hobbyist only, this series of Lecroy is pretty good for home (compact, high performance) and low cost valued.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 06:23:30 am
content: Quote from: smaultre on December 06, 2020, 06:21:15 amWhich is irrelevant.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 06:24:06 am
content: Quote from: smaultre on December 06, 2020, 06:21:15 amI understand and sympathize. The US government doesn't. It's not intentional AFAIK, just the way things are.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 06:59:00 am
content: Can you give any documented evidence that this-one scope is prohibited? I do not found no confirmation. Why do you state so affirmatively?Just heard something like this somewhere? in this documenthttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/us-export-restrictions-on-oscilloscopes-to-hungary/?action=dlattach;attach=842398on section 3A002 does not complies to 44Xi characteristics.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 08:34:38 am
content: They won't even ship to the UK, they probably don't want the hassle of shipping abroad which I can appreciate.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 09:19:42 am
content: Quote from: Simon on December 06, 2020, 08:34:38 amBut, firstones here, me told that i'm a scammer, or isis terrorist.Second ones says that the people, who may attempt to help me, would become accomplices in the "development of enemy weapons".I'm just asking for help if possible.I am not going to break laws or frame anyone.Most likely they just do not want to contact foreign buyers in general, for all lots.That is why I asked for mediation.

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 09:23:32 am
content: Best way is you trust someone and pay them upfront the maximum you want to bid plus all other charges, if they can win it for you then they can forward it on to you, but if the seller is unwilling it likely means that it is a lot of hassle. For example I try to avoid items over 2kg going abroad as after that the postage is a nightmare and it is cheaper to send 2x 2kg items for less than 1x 4kg one. These are the sorts of things that turn something apparently simple into a nightmare.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 07:32:21 pm
content: Having dealt with logistics to complicated countries myself in a distant past, I can understand the seller's stance on shipping this abroad. That said, I am in sync with others that are saying you need to find someone that you know and trust that lives in the US to do this transaction for you. It is hard to do the packaging that will survive the trip, as well as deal with the paperwork.Not being able to do this for you, I can only wish you good luck.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 07:53:59 pm
content: Quote from: smaultre on December 06, 2020, 06:59:00 amNo I can't give you documented evidence that it is prohibited and in fact I doubt that it actually is. What I'm stating affirmatively is that I can't be sure that it is NOT prohibited. If it still is, then the regulation is a bit silly at this point. However, read what you linked and look under ADCs of 8 bits or more with 1 billion words per second. These regulations are not easy to interpret or comply with and most sellers just don't want the hassle and risk of dealing with these compliance issues. The easiest path for a seller is to just avoid the issue altogether. I'm not going to link it, so I'll hope that you take me at my word, but I do have a document that clearly indicates thatat one time, scopes with greater than 2.5GS/s sample rate required an export license.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2020, 08:13:36 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on December 06, 2020, 08:34:38 amI can kind of understand that but with Ebay's Global Shipping Program international shipping is extremely easy for (US based) sellers nowadays. They just send it to a USPS collection point and be done with it. Shipping prices are very reasonable on top of that. I have bought lots of different items from US sellers on Ebay using GSP. Works like a charm.Quote from: smaultre on December 06, 2020, 09:19:42 amThey state that very clearly in the auction description. In such cases you can ask if they can ship using the Ebay GLobal Shipping program. I have had some success asking sellers who -principally- do not ship abroad to ship it to me anyway. However if the answer is negative you have to respect that.Finding someone in the same country as the seller and being willing to forward it is your only option. But then again; good deals appear on Ebay all the time so it is better to wait for the next good deal. There are several Lecroy 44XI scopes for sale on Ebay. Even one from China with free shipping to Russia. If I where you I'd try to hammer out a deal with the one from China. Don't be afraid to make lowball offers.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2020, 04:50:28 am
content: After the new year, the are new customs rules here, with greater fee's from 0$.. That's why i ask for help now.Quote from: bdunham7 on December 06, 2020, 07:53:59 pmCan you attach these document i need to explore if it is really prohibited. I think that's selling / shipping 1pcs used equip, no need any license.And the licence needs for only a commercial batch of goods..I do not want to break any laws, and this is for my clear understanding.We have here in Russia, the trade mission of all distributors Lecroy, Tek, Agilent,... etc. Anyone can freely buy any scopes they made.But the prices so high .. That's why, i search on Ebay.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2020, 05:07:07 am
content: All you need to do is really simple, write down the terms you are willing to do ..1. You are willing to send the money "FIRST" to the buyer who helps you with max budget for bidding.2. Once the bidding won, you are willingly to send more money for the shipping it to you.3. You are willingly to pay the "fee" for the troubles that the helper going through all of these to help you. You're not expecting your helper do it for free right ?Once you publicly announce this, hopefully this makes really good and helpful people not shy away to step up to help you, that includes bad guys too, but I leave this to you.And NO ... you just can not vaguely or intentionally never mention above terms, while keep nagging and saying ... "Trust me ! Trust me ! I am not a bad guy ... I promise !!!" ... c'mon ....Also with your low post count here, people tend not to easily trust new comer, does this make any sense ?And yes, I have couple friends that I made here in this forum alone, that already helped me in the past on buying stuffs from ebay as I don't live in US, more than once.Kids these days ...

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2020, 03:29:25 pm
content: 1. I willing to send the money (PayPal) "FIRST" to the buyer who try helps me with max budget for bidding.2. Once the bidding won, i willingly send more money for the shipping it to me or my forwarder located in Delaware (discuss-able).3. I willingly to pay the "fee" for the troubles that my helper going through all of these to help me. + become a friends (invaluable!)

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2020, 03:37:23 pm
content: https://efoia.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/export-violations/532-e2140/file

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2020, 04:17:48 pm
content: ... Engaging in Prohibited Conduct by Exporting Oscilloscopes toPakistanWithout the Required Licenses

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2020, 05:08:43 pm
content: Pakistan isn't the issue, this is an example of an enforcement action relating to the unlicensed export of 3 (three!) oscilloscopes with capabilities similar to the one you want. I assure you that Russia is currently not a favored trading partner and there are many sanctions and restrictions in place. One that I saw involved the US Government (BIS) eliminating the Civil End User exemption from the export restrictions on certain items. In other words, they presume that any technology being exported would be diverted to prohibited or sanctioned use. For Russia, this includes the energy industry.Look, I'd love to be your friend. Anyone that wants to fix an old oscilloscope sounds like a friend of mine! But our governments aren't on good terms right now and unfortunately, there is more posturing and showmanship than any common sense. I'm sure that there are US Attorneys that would love to grab someone up for 'illegal arms exports" and perp-walk them in front of the cameras. It's good for their careers and they don't care if the charges would seem ludicrous to anyone with any technical knowledge. If I get arrested for sending you that scope, how many EEs are going to be on the jury?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 07, 2020, 05:21:51 pm
content: this is ultimately the problem. If the item could fall in the restricted category anyone sending the scope out of the USA will be held responsible in a case about illegal exports.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2020, 07:05:23 pm
content: Try to find the HTS or ECCN number for the oscilloscope you want and see if it is EAR99 (unrestricted). I suspect it will not be. You could probably ask the manufacturer, as your freight forwarder would need this information anyways.About ten years ago Russia had ITAR restrictions, but I didn't keep up with this.What myself and others are showing are simply the pitfalls and details of such transaction. I lived most of my life in a country where getting minimally decent test gear was a herculean task, thus I can sympathize with your plight.

author: ajb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2020, 08:08:15 pm
content: Quote from: Simon on December 06, 2020, 09:23:32 amIn this case, it's even more important that the proxy buyer trust the OP, because it's the proxy buyer that is assuming legal liability for the export of the scope.Quote from: smaultre on December 07, 2020, 04:50:28 amThere's generally no exemption for selling a single used item versus a thousand new ones when it comes to export controls. It's easier to fly under the radar, but it's not a defense if you get caught, even ignorance of the law won't save you. Shipping companies WILL ask for the export classification and/or tariff codes anyway. It also applies to ANYTHING that leaves the US, regardless of where it was made, so it can even be illegal to send an item back to the country where it was manufactured. It seems stupid and annoying, and some of it IS definitely non-sensical (like the way ITAR handles cryptography), but it's also genuinely hard to write laws and regulations that effectively address the real security and economic issues without being a huge pain for everyone.If you want to definitively determine the export status of the scope, you need to look at ITAR (which I have little experience with), but also the US Commerce Control List, which is here:https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/regulations/export-administration-regulations-earCategories 3,4,5, and maybe even 6 could apply to the scope. Even for a person with native english it can be challenging reading because the categories are complicated. It's a lot of "if X but not Y and any of A, B, or D but not C" and can include some very finely-split hairs, so it can take a good hour to work through a single item for the first time. That will get you an Export Control Classification Number that you will need for paperwork (you may also need an international uniform tariff code or other country-specific classifications), and from that you can determine which, if any, export controls apply to the item. Then you need to look at the Commerce Country Chart to see if any of those export controls are in effect for the destination country. Finally, you need to verify that the recipient is not subject to specific export controls based on a list maintained by the export administration, and you need to somehow assure that the recipient does not intend to re-export the item or transfer it to someone else who is subject to export controls. So it's all complicated, and getting it wrong can result in stiff penalties as the settlement linked bybdunham7shows.Quote from: smaultre on December 07, 2020, 04:17:48 pmFWIW Pakistan and Russia actually have similar US export controls. Pakistan is subject to an extra Nuclear Proliferation control, and they have slightly different Crime Control export restrictions, but otherwise they have similar restrictions.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2020, 04:34:08 am
content: there is also tension with Turkey right now relating to the S400 system and the F35 (they don't want them together with the same operator), some one could make a stupid move with starting a investigation because it seems vaguely related to something you would use for a radar and it involves Russia. And trump seems to be driving the legislative system insane right now for the next month. These regulations might get basically randomly scrutinized or are being scrutinized right now because of panic.Do I like the stuff because of POI restrictions on spectrum analyzers? no.https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/07/20/its-official-us-air-force-to-buy-turkish-f-35s/Is this thing super outdated for EW? a definite yes.Trump might have signed literary what ever at the end of the term.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2020, 12:10:10 pm
content: bla-bla-bla- terrorist, isis, nuclear weapon... Turkish?? what a s?? on your heads? I only ask to help buy simple low cost scope.I had a better opinion of yours guys, you ruined my impression. Take off the TV, from your heads..

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 08, 2020, 12:15:39 pm
content: Quote from: smaultre on December 08, 2020, 12:10:10 pmThat response is the very reason no one wants to help. No one gives a shit what you want or what it will be used for bla bla bla, they give a shit about not accidentally exporting a prohibited item without permission as "ignorance of the law is no defense", you seem to ignore the real risk the partner will have to take or at least the headache of dealing with something that could have export complications.Why don't you at least do your own homework and find out if you can import such an item?

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2020, 12:22:14 pm
content: You should be angry at the US not us.I had similar problems with trying to buy gear from the US. Also they are the reason why the thermal camera here on my desk is software handicapped to only run at 7fps. The easiest solution is to just go for a different scope from a different seller.Even more test gear gets destroyed on purpose on site for various reasons, be it for secrecy or making the paperwork simpler by avoiding the gear having resale value and the tax that comes along with that.

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2020, 12:25:13 pm
content: I'm not talking about sanctions, I don't want to force anyone to break the law.I'm talking about others, not related to the topic of accusations.When you accuse us, Russians, of bad deeds. Do not forget, that this is not done by me, and not by my neighbor. It is not ordinary Russians, who do this.And ours mafia elite, which keeps their capital, yachts, real estate, friends and family, on the territory of European countries, UK, NATO, and the United States ...They are plundering us, conducting their gangster business, substituting the ordinary Russian people for a pre-war situation.And this is yours politicians, allow them to live in luxury, hide the stolen (from Us) capital, support their families, train them in your best institutions ...This is not me doing!

author: smaultre
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2020, 12:28:43 pm
content: how can i delete this tread?

author: Simon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 08, 2020, 12:40:25 pm
content: just ignore the next notification and you will hear no more of it, if you don't post others are unlikely to respond.