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author: hamster_nz
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 04:27:55 am
content: Apologies if this has been posted before...

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 11:36:47 am
content: Just visiting those places freaks me out.I'd be the guy trying to call for confirmation in 'War Games'... I don't think I could turn the key.It's starting to feel like society has lost the fear of nuclear war... If you ever want a wake up call, watch the 80's BBC movie 'Threads'.

author: jonpaul
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 11:50:17 am
content: Mr. President! A moment please....we can survive a nuclear attack if we go into a deep mineshaft...https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/Dr Strangelove ( Peter Sellers) 1963, Stanley Kubrick filmJon

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 11:56:54 am
content: Quote from: TomKatt on February 15, 2023, 11:36:47 amAnd its US contemporary "The Day After".One ended the next day, with a collective sigh along the lines of the cliche "I've talked to the hospital, and the  patient is going to be OK".The other ended 13 years later, with a scream.

author: coppercone2
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 01:23:56 pm
content: what they need to show is the conscription of labor into industries for rebuilding the country set at 1880 labor rights level w/ radioactive food for pay (tested to be safe enough for the usable life of the labor force). Especially if there is still war and you end up having to work on a shell factory eating slightly radioactive corn. Better hope a local democrat leader survives, the other kind might just have his standard oil dreams come true. Civil achievement past 1850 = unaffordable luxuryand the exciting black market of medication and normal food

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 01:30:37 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on February 15, 2023, 01:23:56 pmTo some extent, the 'Threads' movie does indeed tackle that - you needed to work if you wanted food and looters were shot on sight.And I think we only achieve 'democratic' leaders after first going through Mad Max tyrants, especially after an Armageddon event.

author: coppercone2
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 01:34:49 pm
content: yeah but they show that its peace and rebuilding, it might turn into basically world war 1 / napoleonic war with aspirations of future combat methods. New imperial goverments that want to claim places that are not irradiated. I.e. a real reason to actually invade south America or Africa. Might be 50 years of propaganda, new colonialism, etcLike how many miserable people do you need before the country decides its a good idea to do something we cant imagine. Like 10 years later : we are seeing alot of birth defects and diseases we did not anticipate here, so its us or them. Then you start getting some 1200's greasy shit going on. Like its somewhat peaceful now (globally) because people generally can at least tolerate staying within 200 miles of where they are in most cases).Looters will be shot on sight is kids stuff, how about 'we are preparing for an offensive from ____". Like if there was some kind of backbone left, it would be 1900's (big countries, maybe like a 'front' and 'objectives'). If there was too much chaos, it would turn into feudalism with lots of local wars, that would need very little justification, propaganda, etc.For instance, it would be like everyone turned into germany after WW1 (but worse). So the government would probobly take the form of postimperial Germany (promise to rebuild might of previous government). How easy is it for those types of governments to get into wars with each other? Like you don't have to pay reparations or surrender army, more like pay to fix stuff and the military is all gone, but the result might be kind of the same. Granted they might be a little less jealous then Germany since everyone is gonna be destroyed, but its easy to spin some news paper to say that the other country did not suffer nearly as much and stuff like that..

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 01:53:07 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on February 15, 2023, 01:23:56 pmAnd the consequences of all those lead to the final scream in "Threads". Compare and contrast with "The Day After".The only remotely similar programme was the 1966 "The War Game", which was deemed to be too horrific for broadcast for the next 20 years.Fromhttps://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20190925-was-threads-the-scariest-tv-show-ever-madeQuoteFrom wackypediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film)Quote

author: coppercone2
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 01:56:32 pm
content: I guess they don't anticipate people trying to muster the remains to do their bidding, that plot reads like everyone gave up and the politicians all died. I think someone would try to basically band people together with the promise of rapid regrowth to the lives they knew (probobly through conquest). Like a government that is anti apathetic. They assume massive destruction followed by apathy and peace from other groups of man in threads. But I think you would get some clever politicians that would start more war quickly.

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 01:58:36 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on February 15, 2023, 01:56:32 pmWhen I look around today and see the vast population of supposedly "intelligent" people suckered into conspiracy theories and propaganda (despite having the 'information age' at their fingertips), I can only imagine how brutal any kind of society would be following something like nuclear war...I think I'd take the race car solution from "On the Beach"...

author: coppercone2
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 01:59:44 pm
content: Well you would probobly get news paper only, that is edited by the party in charge. No need for people to waste their time scrutinizing the news. Our job of directing regrowth is more important then the immediate truth.... leave it for the historians to judge usAlso its interesting with the C3I targeting procedures of these modern methods of fighting war, if both C3I bases get destroyed, meaning that the leader of the armed forces is going to be some lower echelon personnel with little... educational training and stuff. All the generals and admirals and people with political savey are super targeted, so no one like that will be left to smooth things over (military diplomacy), and it will be run by the last remaining boot, brutally I suspect... the last memory is going to be yelled at by the drill instructor, not the meeting with the chiefs of staff about how to handle multinational issues. "I don't know what the fuck is going on and I am very important now.....* "*supposedly this happened in USSR after WW2, rapidly promoted soldiers because of horrific death rates got promoted to political positions right after the war. How did that turn out?And after a nuclear attack you know that the general population wont even think to.. ignore someone with basic military training, especially if they picked up the ensignia off the general-roast on the way to the whats left of the town hall meeting. So you will have basically kids in charge.

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 02:11:23 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 15, 2023, 01:53:07 pmYou know it's going to be bad when even the most horrific predictions are deemed 'too horrific' and need to be tamed for public dissemination...I think it was 'The War Game' that mentioned the fire storms that would create tornado force winds sucking people into the inferno for miles around...Quote from: coppercone2 on February 15, 2023, 01:59:44 pmSeems like we're nearly there now...

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 02:41:03 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on February 15, 2023, 01:56:32 pmIt is fiction, not a documentary, so it is unarguableThe main point of interest to me is the comparison with the USA movie, where nuclear war is implied to be survivable because "here come's the cavalry".One consequence was that Threads caused many people to ponder why the USA was plonking intermediate range nuclear missiles in the UK. People came to realise that the USA was defending us so the war would be faught here rather than in the US.Much like Ukraine today, as Boris Johnson (who he?) pointed out "We’re paying higher bills – Ukraine is paying in blood"

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 02:43:25 pm
content: Quote from: TomKatt on February 15, 2023, 02:11:23 pmIIRC the real sticking point was the depiction of a neighbourhood beat policeman summarily executing someone. Context: the UK police didn't (and mostly don't) carry guns.

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 02:50:02 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 15, 2023, 02:41:03 pmWhile that is certainly true, it seems like the UK (and every other modern nation) wanted their own nukes as well, so in some sense they'd probably be there no matter who installed them. At the same time, the US didn't want to share the atomic secrets, forcing the UK to do their own work and the mess that comes with it (Windscale?).I don't know what the answer is to anything, but I've never seen atomic energy in any form to solve more problems than it creates.Given the naivete of the times it was developed, it's amazing we haven't blown ourselves up so far.

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 03:30:52 pm
content: Quote from: TomKatt on February 15, 2023, 02:50:02 pmThere hasalwaysbeen "I've got a big stick/sword/gun/etc therefore I'm important" attitude.Back then everybodyknewnuclear stuff was dangerous if not controlled - so clever and reliable people were well funded to do a decent job. Nowadays that has been forgotten and/or merged into the "it exists deal with it" unfashionable background, with concomitant defunding, older infrastructure, and less dedicated personnel. Arguably it is more dangerous now.

author: Sal Ammoniac
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 04:56:59 pm
content: Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.

author: TomKatt
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 05:15:58 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on February 15, 2023, 03:30:52 pmI think it's more dangerous now because it's no longer on the forefront of discussion.I'm not sure I agree they did a 'decent job' in the early days... It seems to me that safety corners were cut at virtually every opportunity in the name of 'strategic or wartime urgency'. Little thought was given to waste handling or even worker protection in many cases. Many horrific accidents were buried due to secrecy. The majority of the most toxic locations on our planet are directly related to the early work done with nuclear materials. Even now, nuclear plants are built near fault lines or other geographically dubious areas (ie Fukushima). And that's when people aren't lobbing bombs over the plant (Ukraine).

author: tggzzz
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timestamp: February 15, 2023, 05:58:47 pm
content: Quote from: TomKatt on February 15, 2023, 05:15:58 pmThose points can be made, but most have counter-arguments.But building on/near fault lines does appear to have no justification.