No need to hack now, DS1102E is $399.00usd - Page 1
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author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 08:12:40 pm
content: Saelig just sent an sales Email saying the DS1102E is $399.00usd now!

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 08:20:14 pm
content: TEquipment still sells it for $700, but it is worth to ask. They seem to cost $550 on eBay.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 08:29:28 pm
content: It it from a official resaler? What about the warranty?Alexander.

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 08:33:38 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on November 29, 2011, 08:29:28 pmSaelig is official. Tell them you come from the EEVBlog so they get happy with Dave and the forum.

author: ModemHead
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 08:36:55 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on November 29, 2011, 08:29:28 pmThey're official. I bought a DS1052E at Saelig a week before the price dropped to $399. They called and told me and voluntarily refunded the difference. The free padded bag is nice, too.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 08:52:02 pm
content: Very interesting, so what's the price of the 1052e now? $200? $300? That would devastate its competition if it were so.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 09:01:10 pm
content: Quote from: saturation on November 29, 2011, 08:52:02 pmStill $399 at Saelig. Now, why do I think they won't sell many in the near future?

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 09:09:08 pm
content: In Hellas the price went up for about 40 $.Alexander.

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 09:41:50 pm
content: Quote from: ModemHead on November 29, 2011, 08:36:55 pmThat's good to know. You also get free shipping.By the way, how much money did they refund to you?

author: ModemHead
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2011, 10:00:20 pm
content: Quote from: ivan747 on November 29, 2011, 09:41:50 pmI had to go back and check the invoice... At the time (May-2010), they had the lowest price for an authorized US dealer at $519, and they refunded $120. Fortunately I never had to deal with any warranty issues, but I'm guessing they would be good to deal with based on this experience. I've stayed on their mailing list.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 30, 2011, 12:29:15 pm
content: That it can be sold for the same price as the 1052e just about confirms and validates the value of the mods posted on forum for some years.I would guess Rigol is unloading unsold stock. I would speculate that in the future they will discontinue the 1052e and continue the 1102e at $400.As the 100 MHz is just a negligible firmware change, they'll be able to maintain a price unchanged for a design that's at least 4-5 years old, label it as 100 MHz and compete with the Hantek, Owon types selling 100 MHz scopes lower than the previous price of the 1102e.Quote from: BoredAtWork on November 29, 2011, 09:01:10 pm

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 30, 2011, 11:41:23 pm
content: Quote from: ModemHead on November 29, 2011, 08:36:55 pmWow, that's service!Dave.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 30, 2011, 11:44:35 pm
content: Quote from: saturation on November 30, 2011, 12:29:15 pmYes, I suspect that's what might be happening now.It's an old design now, and several other are now competing with 100MHz models, so it looks like 100MHz might be becoming the new low end baseline.Dave.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2011, 08:14:10 pm
content: I got email from tequipment:1052e = $3501102e = $400

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2011, 10:30:59 pm
content: $50 for "no hack hassle", nice DS1102E and 100MHz sticker. well, i agree with the topic.

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2011, 11:16:44 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 02, 2011, 10:30:59 pmI wonder if they will keep selling the DS1052E.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 03, 2011, 12:26:36 am
content: Yep, seems like the hack is now all but redundant!Dave.

author: amspire
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2011, 12:53:23 am
content: I can still get the 1052E delivered to Australia for about $315. Last time I looked,a 1102E delivered was about $440, so there still is some incentive for the hack.

author: barry_g
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 03, 2011, 11:50:47 am
content: Saelig is sold out of the DS1102E. Anyone aware of another vendor at $399?

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2011, 03:28:59 pm
content: Saelig's webpage for the DS1052E now says "Free Upgrade to DS1102E."

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2011, 10:14:31 pm
content: I emailed them to see how we go about getting the upgrade, since I didn't see it on Rigol's site.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 04, 2011, 10:23:41 pm
content: Sounds more like if you order a DS1052E from Saelig now they automatically send you a DS1102E. I don't see they offer to upgrade already sold DS1052Es.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 01:16:36 am
content: Agreed with BaW, I read this like a free upgrade to next-day shipping: they'll send you a DS1102E instead of a DS1052E for free if you order a DS1052E.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 02:02:11 am
content: Quote from: barry_g on December 03, 2011, 11:50:47 amYep, tequipment.net do it for the same price:http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS1102E.htmlDave.

author: James22
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 03:00:05 am
content: It seems like here in Europe we will just have to wait for a price drop =/

author: hacklordsniper
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 06:01:22 am
content: Quote from: James22 on December 05, 2011, 03:00:05 amHere its 900 EUR for DS1052E, the DS1102E is not available

author: Armin_Balija
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 07:12:48 am
content: I bought their DS1052E on Nov 20th from their Amazon site, anyone know if they'd honor their price difference refund from a purchase so close to their price drop date? I emailed their site but haven't gotten a reply. Scope already arrived, I'm in the hospital so I can't get my hands on it.

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 02:24:28 pm
content: Quote from: BoredAtWork on December 04, 2011, 10:23:41 pmI spoke to Saelig and Rigol tech support in Ohio USA today about availability of a software upgrade from Rigol to make the 1052 into a 1102. Saelig sent me to Rigol and Rigol states there is no firmware upgrade available for the 1052. The upgrade shown on the Saelig site is Physicaly getting a 1102 when you order a 1052, not an upgraded 1052. When I mentioned that it is obvious from various electronics forums that the hardware is identical and can be upgraded by software. They said they were aware of it but do not support it.

author: Armin_Balija
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 08:55:22 pm
content: Quote from: robrenz on December 05, 2011, 02:24:28 pmDo you know if Saelig or Tequipment will send you the difference if you've purchased a 1052 within 10 days of their price drop?

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 09:22:18 pm
content: Quote from: Armin_Balija on December 05, 2011, 08:55:22 pmWhy don't you just ask them? They have e-mail. Both of them.

author: MikeK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2011, 11:01:04 pm
content: Quote from: Armin_Balija on December 05, 2011, 07:12:48 amI just got an email from Saelig that said they will give a $50 web-store credit to people buying the DS1052E after Nov 14.

author: Armin_Balija
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 12:48:56 am
content: Quote from: BoredAtWork on December 05, 2011, 09:22:18 pmBecause I've e-mailed both and haven't received a response. However, someone in this thread has given me a response before those companies did. I don't see what the point of your post was? It really didn't add anything to the thread other than to chastise me for no reason?

author: barry_g
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 06, 2011, 10:10:08 am
content: Quote from: barry_g on December 03, 2011, 11:50:47 amThey're back in stock at Saelig before I found it anywhere else. Tequipment.net is back ordered but they don't tell you that unless you call them.Appreciate all the help from the forum and Dave's blog.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2011, 03:43:32 am
content: My DS1102E arrived today from SaeligThe build quality is nice, and the bonus padded bag and free shipping from Saelig was extra nice.On the minus side is the fan noise. It's not terrible, but silent would be much nicer. What needs so much cooling, anyway?It's my first ever encounter with an oscilloscope, so right now it is a complicated box of buttons and knobs to explore. Another downside here is the lack of a printed manual. I assume the operating manual is on the included CD, but it would be nice to have a printed booklet to refer to.So far the small screen doesn't seem that much of an issue, especially when you can zoom in to see more detail. A bigger screen means a bigger box, and more room taken up on the bench. The small form factor of this instrument is a big advantage compared to the bulky and heavy nature of an analog scope.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2011, 12:12:20 pm
content: @IanB: enjoy. The ADC are overclocked, but search the archives for fan substitutes and checks of operating temp after a susbtitution.@barry_g: Tequipment tells me they are selling briskly. Seems like Rigol hit it big to boost the year end balance sheets with the price change.

author: nkcelectronics
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 11, 2011, 12:00:18 am
content: NKC Electronics is also selling the DS1102E for $399 on amazon.com and shipped by amazon.http://www.amazon.com/Rigol-DS1102E-100MHz-DSO/dp/B001VKCJ0M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323561371&sr=8-1

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2011, 12:56:22 am
content: Also Rigol North America:http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000e/$329 for the DS1052E.

author: The_Penguin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2011, 05:31:27 pm
content: As is usually the case, whenever a piece of gear I want comes down in price, I'm tempted to jump on it, but then find myself wondering. "Hmm if the price just dropped, maybe there's a newer/better model lurking around the corner"So, any speculation that there may be a 200 mhz entry-level unit in the wings? or some other new improved unit that I'll wish I had waited for?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 14, 2011, 02:33:48 am
content: John South from Emona here in Australia has told me they now also have the 1052E and 1102E at very close to the new US prices, AU$329 for the 1052E and AU$420 for the 1102E.He might chip in here with some more details.Dave.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2011, 04:52:21 am
content: Quote from: The_Penguin on December 11, 2011, 05:31:27 pmIf we assume that Rigol are not sitting still, then there may well be an announcement about some new models next year. However, if any new models are better spec'd than the DS1000 series they sure as heck aren't going to cost $399

author: Chris.M
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2011, 11:33:40 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 14, 2011, 02:33:48 amI can verify that Emona Instruments have now dropped the price of the DS1052E to $329 (EX-GST) and the DS1102E to $420 (EX-GST), which puts their prices almost on parity with the US.I have just bought a DS1102E for $420 (EX-GST) costing me in total $489.50 (INC-GST and Delivery). I think this is an excellent price considering we are buying from Australia, the unit comes pre-calibrated with the Australian plug, 3 years warranty which Emona covers in-house, and I have to say that Emona have excellent customer service.I think it is also worth mentioning that Emona are selling these units at a loss to be on parity (or as close as possible) with US pricing. This just shows the way Emona goes about its business. Just brilliant!I would highly recommend Emona for anyone considering purchasing the Rigol DS1052E or DS1102E.Regards,Chris M

author: Joshua
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2011, 12:09:04 am
content: Quote from: Chris.M on December 14, 2011, 11:33:40 pmWhat an interesting first post!Also, how do you know that Emona is taking a loss??Reported.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 15, 2011, 12:53:02 am
content: I can confirm that Chris is NOT affiliated with emona, just a customer. No need for any skepticism, just a co-incidental first post that Chris just happened to have direct first hand experience with.Dave.Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 15, 2011, 01:48:00 am
content: Quote from: Joshua on December 15, 2011, 12:09:04 amBecause Emona told him.I can also confirm this. Those seriously after an official 1102E in Oz won't do any better than the current deal, and they are in stock here.Dave.

author: Joshua
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2011, 02:35:17 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 15, 2011, 12:53:02 amChris,My sincere apologies. Please forgive me for the false accusation. No harm intended. I guess I let my first instincts take precedence.Sorry, and welcome to the forum!

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2011, 02:42:26 am
content: Although someone may claim they are "taking a loss", they are not likely losing money on the deal. Otherwise their business would not remain in business for long.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 15, 2011, 08:05:21 am
content: Quote from: IanB on December 15, 2011, 02:42:26 amThat's only the case if they lose money oneverything, or a good lot of things.If it's just an isolated case of where they have to make an actual loss on something to keep good will with local customers, then it's not so silly.It's usual for local suppliers to have to buy stock at a fixed price from the manufacturers, and then it takes some time to sell that stock, that's part of the risk of doing business.If the manufacturer goes and slashes the price in the meantime before you've sold that stock, it's not in their interest to reimburse the dealer who has already paid for the stock, sometimes months ago. AFAIK, that's how the system works - you buy stock and take's your chances...So the dealer is left with either trying to sell the remaining stock at the older high price, or match the new overseas low price and take a loss on the remaining stock.When everyone sees the much cheaper lower price advertised overseas, they might start thinking the local dealers are ripping them off and get a bad impression. In that case it's not uncommon for local dealers to take the loss to keep customers happy in the long run.This sort of thing is unfortunately not uncommon in the industry.Dave.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 15, 2011, 09:48:50 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on December 15, 2011, 02:42:26 amMost businesses go under because of cash flow. If new or replacement stock of an item becomes available at a better price, your best to move your old stock as soon as possible, the situation is not going to improve by sitting on it. Unless you can predict an upcoming shortage you aren't ever going to shift old stock at a (now) too high price.Agreed you cannot take a loss on everything you buy/sell and respect to keep selling. But remember the loss of not selling is going to be much higher than the loss of a discount to current market price even if below cost. like any business it's about minimising losses and maximising gains, and that often forgotten detail of maintaining working capital.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2011, 10:25:21 pm
content: Agree with Dave and Uncle Vernon. Good points both.As a business you don't want to sit with too much stock on hand. Just enough to satisfy expected demand and no more. Also as a business you don't want your suppliers to undermine you by suddenly lowering prices while you are sitting on old stock.