The Best Soldering Iron - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / beginners

author: bgsteiner
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 03:29:42 am
content: So I am in the market for a new iron as I had to leave my good Weller at home to my dad before heading off to college. Most of my work will soon be in repairing audio equipment which can either have smd or through hole for my university in the near future as well as regular work on hobby electronics. I also have to be able to use lead free solder on the audio equipment so an iron that can readily handle it as well as leaded is a must. I just wanted to get some input from the forums to see what the community has tried and get some feedback on models that I had lined up prospectively.Here are some of the irons that I was considering.Wellerhttp://www.amazon.com/Weller-WES51-Analog-Soldering-Station/dp/B000BRC2XU/Hakkohttp://www.amazon.com/Digital-FX888D-CHP170-bundle-cutter/dp/B00AWUFVY8/Any other ideas are welcome, thanks.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 03:34:31 am
content: A JBC DD system.pbfree isn't really a problem, basically every popular system can do pb and pbfree.if, however, you're limited to the ~100$ mark, go with something like a JBC ad2700 or a metcal stss.

author: cristoper
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 03:48:42 am
content: If you want an even less inexpensive option which looks comparable to the Weller you linked to, I have anAoyue 936which I like (though I don't have much experience with different irons so I can't really offer a comparison review).

author: GoatZero
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 03:49:08 am
content: Hello im a begginer too and actually i just bought the hakko fx 888D (it should arrive tomorrow)i went for the hakko for 2 reasons,1.- I couldnt find the analog 8882.- I love its looks, color scheme and i actually find the display quite usefull, even if i lose the analog control (i dont change temps that often)Point 2 is important if you are like me that forgets when the soldering iron its turned on or not, or if you want a clear and shinny notification about when its the iron ready to solder,The WES51 is analog and i see it everywhere at my school so im sick of it, it works great but i actually hate the washed out colors and its seems to use at least 2 times more space than the 888D, however as i said, analog is a big plus, if you solder a lot and keep changing the temps oftenI finally decided for the hakko 888D because i love its fishers price colors and i actually feel alive when i see itAlso you must consider that if i am not wrong the WES51 is at least 10 years old, while the hakko fx888D just came out that could be good or bad depending on how you see itTheres is an old discussion i readed many times in this same forums talking about ithttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/weller-wes51-digital-soldering-station-vs-hakko-fx888-soldering-station/but in short most of them agree than function > looks (including digital display), however in those times there were still plenty of Analog 888s around, now its actually rare to see oneIm quite sure any of the 2 of them are going to be a wise investment so just go for the one you like the most or the one that you find more usefull

author: juanfermed
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 07:02:58 am
content: I have a Hakko FX888 and is the best tool I have bought. It has been with for about a year and half and it is working perfectly. It heats up as if it was new and the tip is still going strong (of course, the duration of the tip depends on the care you give it). So, in my opinion, get yourself a Hakko FX888, I got the analog version, it is beautiful. A friend of mine bought the digital version and I feel it works exactly the same.

author: warmage
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 07:13:10 am
content: i have a Hakko FX888 and Atten AT8586 , both are a big step up from what i used to work with.i tend to use the Atten more, gives me better results, but i think my Hakko iron tip is to blameget some good quality iron tips

author: BobbyK
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 08:01:33 am
content: I'll have to second the Hakko 888. Before I landed on that one (based on Dave's recommendation, actually) I went through a lot of lower quality (and cheaper) irons. Tips never lasted more than a year - and almost always less than 3 months. I have had the Hakko for a year now, and the tip is almost new (and I'm not really kind to tips either). The iron itself is awesome, and the cable connecting the base to the iron is a pure pleasure to work with, it is soft and won't ever tangle up. Since buying the Hakko (I have the analog one) I actually look forward to soldering, and not just because of the fumes!

author: ZeroStatic
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 08:16:35 am
content: We have heaps of hakko irons, they last for years and are easy to use and the genuine tips have a great lifespan.Beware of fake hakko tips, they are often junk.My 2c opinion.

author: mjrandle
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 08:25:27 am
content: The FX-888 may not be the best soldering iron on the market, but it's a great little unit and is excellent value if you are in North America, but not as well priced in rest of world. I've got one at work and one at home.Cheers,Mike

author: TNb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 08:43:53 am
content: FX888D is a very good one, I wouldn't say it's best, but for it's money it is great, especially for your purposes.You can also look for other Hakkos, not much different, but maybe you will find something that feels better for you.

author: z3bb0
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 08:54:37 am
content: I've used the weller WES51 and it's good for what I could tell, the people that owned the thing had been using serveral of them for over a decade.

author: HamiltonHipster
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 12:18:48 pm
content: I have a Weller WTCPT, (european 230V version) and it's a pretty dang good iron. It does a good soldering job and it feels like it will last. Perhaps a little on the expensive side, but my workshop teacher swears by them.Or maybe thats just all the money it cost talkingAmazon, 120V version:http://www.amazon.com/WTCPT-Temperature-Controlled-Soldering-Station/dp/B00004W463/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1381147994&sr=1-1&keywords=weller+wtpct

author: OhWhen
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 12:39:31 pm
content: I can't fault my Hakko FX888. I went with the analog version as nothing beats a good knob, but regardless, it has always been a pleasure to work with.

author: geo_leeman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 12:46:20 pm
content: I thoroughly enjoy my Hakko FX888D... My only complaint is the interface just isn't as easy as it should be. You can't beat twisting an old-fashioned knob, but having the digital display is nice. It actually displays the temperature of the iron, not the set point. This lets you see if for some reason it's behaving oddly. It heats up super fast as well.

author: orbiter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 12:51:22 pm
content: I use a Pace ST50 station with the TD-100 intelliheat handpiece. Been using it for well over a year now and it's performance has been great, like manyother good irons there's a tip to fit each job too.

author: eendje
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 12:56:28 pm
content: Hi all,I would go for a JBC if you have a chance, They are just marvelous, not heated when not needed but on temp when they are at you workchanging of tips on the fly.. great.it's a bit more expensive but it is definitely the best buy I had for my lab at home.the tips are very expensive but they will last very long...e.g.http://www.ebay.com/itm/JBC-Lotstation-Advanced-Professional-Soldering-Station-AD-2700-Lotkolben-SMD-/121185078413?pt=Schwei%C3%9F_L%C3%B6ttechnik&hash=item1c37318c8dmy two cents,Bob

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 01:58:11 pm
content: I'd go with Weller as they have incredible build quality and almost overengeneer their stuff. If you have the money buy the WD1 or WX1. Else go for the Aoyue Int9378 which is great as mere Iron. If you do HotAir and Desoldering as well, nothing beats the Aoyue Int2703A+ in terms of value for money (knock-off of the). So much good stuff!

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 04:59:31 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on October 07, 2013, 01:58:11 pmWeller of the past, I'd agree.But the more recent stuff, not so much, as there's been a real dip in QC since at least 2006 (I own a WD1). Power board is Asian, not German (20% content or 'significant transformation' to meet 'Made in Germany" requirements).So far, mine works well and I've not had any issues other than tip quality.Others have however, and with multiple models. The WES/D51's have a high DOA rate, and the WX series were so bad initially, they had to be recalled. Tip quality is also all over the place (Plato offers equivalents for some of Weller's tips that could let you get around this particular issue, and I've started so see some Chinese equivalents <ordered a couple to try>).Please understand, I'm not saying they're junk. But they're not what they once were, and given their pricing, don't offer much value as a result IMHO (i.e. I have as much in my WD1 + irons + stands <at discounted prices>, as a JBC Compact model as it turns out and the JBC performs better). Had I paid MSRP for everything, I'd have spent enough to get an Advanced station from JBC (modular config).Tips for mine are cheaper as they're not AIO types (heater + sensor in the tips), which was important to me from a hobbyist perspective (wanted lower consumables costs). But even this depends on the cheaper tips lasting long enough for this to actually work.YMMV of course, but I no longer automatically think of Weller as my go-to choice if I need soldering equipment as I once did.

author: bgsteiner
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 08:25:35 pm
content: Quote from: HamiltonHipster on October 07, 2013, 12:18:48 pmThat is actually the unit I have been using for the past 18 years I have been alive but it was the one I had to leave behind.

author: mtbolha
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 08:53:15 pm
content: Pay good money for soldering iron or you will regreat it. You must consider that you are buying something for many years, not for a month or two. If you devide all the money payed for it over the years it will serve you good, you will not pay big money for it.I whould buy something cheap off ebay, just to have something.. for example:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50w-Soldering-Station-Iron-Adjustable-Temperature-New-/370414838261?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item563e71e1f5It will work if you need a fast solution, and then save up to buy a very good one... You will not regreat it.If you buy something in the middle, you will allways be stuck with it, because if will be good enough not to discard it, but not good enough to satisfy your needs fully.Also check prices for replacement tips and everything before buying "the good one"

author: xstream
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 10:44:49 pm
content: I can't believe nobody has mentioned ERSA before but then I googled it and ERSA does not seem as popular or available around the world?!

author: AG6QR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 12:35:37 am
content: I have an outdated Weller 921Z, which I'm very happy with, except for the fact that it was discontinued years ago, and tips are virtually unavailable for it these days. Mine has served very well for about 15 years, but when my current tips die, I'll be shopping for a new iron.My only recommendation out of this would be to consider tip availability as you do your shopping. I'd only buy an iron that had a good assortment of tips available in my country. That probably means buying a common, popular brand. Shortly after I buy my next iron, I'll buy multiple tips to keep around, so that I'll never again be stuck with another good working iron which has no tips available.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 01:55:38 am
content: Quote from: AG6QR on October 08, 2013, 12:35:37 amOut of curiosity, what tips does that station use?

author: AG6QR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 03:49:50 am
content: Quote from: nanofrog on October 08, 2013, 01:55:38 am9000 series.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 04:25:38 am
content: I would buy that WES51. Anything above that price is only for convenience. You don't need stop and go, digital temperature feedback and all that fancy stuff for the normal use. The next step is a hot air, but that is a different budget.

author: PokemonCookies
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 04:49:31 am
content: Would it be better to buy new or is it fairly safe to buy a used iron?

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 07:33:39 am
content: The best?Ersa or Pace, though they are both so expensive that it's rare to encounter them outside of a well equipped business. Don't expect cheap running costs either.I've not used either for a few years.Below that are JBC, then Metcal, though there are some applications where I prefer Metcal to JBC.Then there are Weller, and Hakko, and Aoyue, and Antex and a miriad of others that will all make a joint if you know how to use them.Remember that each manufacturer makes more than one iron. Each iron type has different tips. You need to ensure that there are tips small enough for the small jobs you want to do, as well as big enough tips for the big stuff. Keep your tips clean, as you turn it off after use melt some mroe solder onto it, that will prevent corrosion and keep some on there all the time. A good solderer will make a far better joint with a cheap iron than a bad one will with an expensive iron.

author: netdudeuk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 07:54:24 am
content: I started soldering forty years ago and still use a small 17 watt handheld Antex iron.I recently took Dave's advice and moved to 0.5mm PB solder. I've also started using a flux pen.I love to watch videos of the pros soldering SMDs etc.I keep looking at the FX-888D but in the UK it costs about £130 which is way more than the US price.Someone else mentioned the Atten AT8586 which costs literally half that amount. I just wonder if there's a genuine advantage to spending all that money on the Hakko when compared with the Atten. You also get hot air in there as well. So, in practical terms, why would anyone buy the Hakko ?I'm pretty satisfied with my existing joints but would like to give SMDs a go. I already do fairly fine work which I'm pleased enough with. Does using a station really make for better results ?If you could only buy one or two extra tips for the Hakko, for working on through hole and SMD, which bits would you buy ?Thanks

author: kc9kuh
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 08:55:29 am
content: Weller has worked really well for me

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 10:32:44 am
content: Quote from: xstream on October 07, 2013, 10:44:49 pmI'm a happy ERSA user (i-CON and some old Multitip irons)! Since Weller was mentioned several times I like to add that ERSA is a little bit less expensive than Weller. I used soldering irons and stations from both for 20+ years and I clearly prefer ERSA.

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 11:28:57 am
content: Quote from: madires on October 08, 2013, 10:32:44 amWhy? (I have no preference but just bought a Weller and want to know if I'll regret it).

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 12:05:46 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on October 08, 2013, 11:28:57 amIt'll almost certainly do a reasonable job so long as you have the right tip. I don't much like the size and shape of Wellers and how it fits in the hand, and I've never found one that is any good for very small SMT work but for general hobbiest use they are fine.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 12:20:58 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on October 08, 2013, 11:28:57 amI don't think you'll regret it. Most labs over here had the Weller Magnastat soldering stations and they were very robust and reliable. But the soldering joints done at home with a simple ERSA Multitip iron were nicer and more precise. The Magnastat was like using a screwdriver two numbers too large for the screw. Still everyone tried to convince me to buy a Weller for home. That's what has driven me to ERSA.

author: kodai
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 01:22:29 pm
content: IMHO, a used, but genuine Hakko FX-951 with sleeper stand offers the best value for those in the U.S. It doesn't matter if the included wand is an older 2027 or the newer 2028. They both work the same, but the 2028 doesn't have the LED ring that's on the 2027 (which the 951 doesn't make use of anyway). If taken care of, the tip cartridges can last a decade in a maker/hobby environment. Small footprint, simple to use, built like a tank. On average the used price for a genuine station is about $150.00. A new station goes for about $250.00. But at that price I would consider a JBC instead.

author: simpson
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 03:12:42 pm
content: The Weller WES51 works fine for me.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 03:44:33 pm
content: Quote from: PokemonCookies on October 08, 2013, 04:49:31 amBuying a new station is probably OK, they are usually very robust. But the iron? I dont think so. Nobody knows the status of the heating element, and how it was abused, it can fail 1 week after you buy it, and then you spent two times the money. Maybe if you know the source, and you can try it before, but I would think twice.I did not had any problem soldering with Weller so far, even 0.5mm pitch is just a matter of magnification. The only bad equipment from weller so far is the WMRT tweezers. They brake too easily.

author: AndreaEl
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 03:46:17 pm
content: My first and only soldering station is a RS DS80.A not bad soldering station but in my opinion the price are very high for the quality. Only the tip are very economic, but not very good quality.It's my first soldering station and i cant compare to other, but i think that Hakko FX888 / FX888D are a lot better and lower price (outside EU)

author: cavlovic
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 04:16:16 pm
content: I have been in the market for a new high quality soldering station for the last 5-6 months. I've done a great amount of reading since I have never owned a high quality soldering station, and don't have first hand experience. I only used 2-1 reworking chinese stations and some Hakko clones.There are a few that are price-wise and quality-wise at the top of the market: JBC, Weller, Metcal, Ersa, Hakko, and a few others, but not quite as easy to procure as the ones mentioned. They are all high quality brands, and have quite a few models. Between them there are pros and cons, which basically come down to: tip price, handle size, thermal recovery, handle cable length and flexibility, unit price - given that sole unit will not break and give up on you.JBC is best in my opinion, but do not trust it as much as others' who used some of those systems. JBC has best thermal recovery, great and fast sleep system, small and light handle(s), long and flexible handle cables, great looking unit. Out of all advantages I would emphasizethermal recovery. On the other hand,tips are quite expensive, but they claim they last long and with instant sleep mode they will last even longer.You should also count in different regions. Some of these manufacturers are present and widely available in some regions, while they may not be in others. Also, prices vary a lot with regions, that's also one of the reasons why some are more popular in Europe, and others in USA.There is also one geeky thing about JBC: 0-300c in 2 secondsDon't you just love number wars

author: cavlovic
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 04:20:49 pm
content: Quote from: AndreaEl on October 08, 2013, 03:46:17 pmYou can get Hakko FX-888 (analog version - which I prefer because of fast temp change) for about 80 EUR shipped anywhere in the world. -http://dx.com/p/hanko-fx-888-70w-soldering-station-ac-220v-126505That is pretty cheap. You can also contact iloveelectronics in this forum for price quote. He has good deals and is very professional. I don't know him, just saying this on previous from buying from him.

author: staxquad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 04:25:25 pm
content: Quote from: GoatZero on October 07, 2013, 03:49:08 amHakko FX-88831 in stockhttp://www.stanleysupplyservices.com/hakko-fx-888-esd-safe-soldering-station-w-65-watt-soldering-iron-tip/p/476-185blue and yellow make green which is the eco friendly color for led free soldering stations

author: AndreaEl
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 04:30:38 pm
content: Quote from: cavlovic on October 08, 2013, 04:20:49 pmYes, i have read about DX.com and i see that FX888 Chinese market version are not the same as Export version. It not have the microcontroller and it's totally analog.And must add the import tax, that in italy are more or less 25€ for this item.About iloveelectronics thank to tell me, maybe in future i can contact him.

author: maros
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 05:11:50 pm
content: For those who are thinking about new soldering iron, I'd strongly recommend Weller. These are really worth their price. Once you get Weller in your hand you never come back to heavy, stiff cord, cheap Chinese soldering irons.There also a solution to make your own decent soldering station from only a PID controller and a power supply.

author: zoomtronic
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 09:45:28 pm
content: Quote from: maros on October 08, 2013, 05:11:50 pmI agree, but its worth trying an Ersa soldering irons. I know lot of professionals who does use it, and all of them have nice words.Not saying that Weller is bad, or inferior compared to Ersa, its just matter of choice. I had Weller previously, couple of them, but once i saw how Ersa is doing its thing, i just switch over to it.

author: tsmith35
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 09:59:41 pm
content: I have a Weller WES51 that I've used for many years. I also have a Hakko FM-203 that I love, but I'd be perfectly happy with the Hakko FX-951 if I didn't swap tip types so often (useful for stripping parts off of boards).The WES51 is solid as a rock. Heats fast, holds temps stable, and easy to use. Very durable, as well, though I prefer using a metal "brillo-pad" cleaner over the sponge.

author: Khashoggi
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 10:08:58 pm
content: Wes51Works great. Heats fast.I've seen many prototype production facilities using them and they are clearly workhorses...

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 04:05:53 am
content: +1 for Weller WESD51http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/weller/solder/wesd51.htm?gclid=CICY1a_uiLoCFZE7Mgodww8AWw

author: robbag
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 04:48:49 am
content: Hakko fx-888 all the way if you can manage to get the analog version at a reasonable price. Bit hefty here in Australia though. I find the analog pot really useful for quick temperature adjustments.

author: herctrap
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 07:36:13 am
content: hakko fx-888

author: hedgewallace
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 08:03:34 am
content: At work, i use my bosses Atten AT937b. I have been using it for around a year so far, and haven't had anything wrong with it. If your looking for a cheap soldering station under $50, with many features, and can warm up very quickly, i would recommend it to anyone.I asked my boss if he likes it, and he said he does.I imagine it wouldn't last as long as a fx-888, but it's very cheap!I'm also looking for a new soldering station, after my almost new cheap soldering iron decided not to work again! (i recieved it as a present)I'm thinking about a Hakko fx-888, seeing that Dave and many others like it. But it's a little out of my price range!I'm thinking about a Atten AT937b, seeing my boss likes his.

author: HamiltonHipster
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 02:10:22 pm
content: I've been counting up (to this point) how many recommendations for which iron;All prices in USD.Hakko FX888D: $100 or so10 recommendationsGoat zero simply loves the Blue/Yellow colour schemeWeller WES51: $100 or so7 recommendationsHakko 951: $262.77 according to Hakko's website (Thanks Nanofrog)2 recommendations(below from here = 1 recommendation)Hakko FM-203: $550Weller WTCPT: $150 or soPace ST50: Dunno, about $200Aoyue 936: $40Aoyue 9378: $80Atten AT-8586: $80Atten AT-937B: $40You can't really judge by price i guess. Seems the Hakko 888 is the winner when it comes to recommendations.Hmm. I honestly find the sky blue colour of Weller has a calming effect when soldering...

author: zoomtronic
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 02:56:59 pm
content: have this onehttp://www.ebay.com/itm/STAZIONE-SALDATURA-DIGITALE-ERSA-80W-RDS80-PREZZO-PIU-BASSO-DEL-WEB-GARANTITA-/200905614071?pt=Saldatori_e_Tester&hash=item2ec6e862f7quite good tool, also have lots of extensions with it. works as a charm 3 years, still using it!

author: travellerw
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 03:24:37 pm
content: +1 for Weller WES51... Only issue I have is the tips are a little pricey at $10.. They do last a long time though, even if abused.

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 03:26:17 pm
content: Over time I have used various Weller desktop soldering stations, and have generally been happy with them. However, recently I was able to use a JBC soldering station for a while, which made me an instant convert. Thus I recently bought a JBC, one of their smaller models, for hobby use.As seen from where I am sitting, then the Weller soldering stations are not even on the sameplanetas the current JBC models. Particularly if you occasionally solder 'heavy' connections, then the heat recovery of the JBC technology is amazing. For instance I recently found myself soldering and replacing connections to a mild steel chassis (don't ask) while just using a 2mm chisel tip. Even though I do have a larger tip, then just using the 2 mm worked just fine.Audio gear frequently has heavy duty connections due to the high current circuits found inside amps, so this may be an important consideration for the OP.Could I live with a Hakko or a Weller? Sure, but I much prefer the JBC.I have never tried any ERSA or Pace models, at least not for any length of time, so are unable to comment on those.The sole reason the small, desktop Hakko and Weller stations gets people's vote in place of a JBC, can only be that the same people haven't tried the JBC.

author: travellerw
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 04:03:45 pm
content: While I can't disagree with you about JBC (never used one).... They are not even on the same planet price wise.. The cheapest JBC I could find was about $450.I would hope for 5X the price they solder much better than a Hakko or Weller!

author: Rufus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 04:46:11 pm
content: Quote from: ElectroIrradiator on October 09, 2013, 03:26:17 pmThe 'magic' of JBCs is the cartridge design. Very high power, low thermal mass, thin wall stainless tube providing thermal isolation between the tip and the rest of the cartridge, integrated heater element and thermocouple. Small physical size and quick one-handed cartridge change is just a bonus.The downside is temperature control isn't that accurate because the thermocouple cold junction is the other end of the cartridge and it does warm up and it is difficult measuring a low output thermocouple on the same wires that drive the heater. Cartridges end up expensive, but, last a long time because the very fast warm up means idling at reduced temperature is practical.I think Hakko and Weller have taken the same approach on some models. I don't see how more conventional irons with bits mounting on a heating element and temperature sensor can possibly offer the same kind of dynamic thermal performance.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 05:06:03 pm
content: Quote from: HamiltonHipster on October 09, 2013, 02:10:22 pmMSLP = $262.77 according to Hakko's website (US pricing).

author: soren
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 09:19:39 pm
content: Quote from: Rufus on October 09, 2013, 04:46:11 pmAgreed. My general recommendation would be to buy whichever iron of this class is the cheapest. While there are differences between them, they are dwarfed by the gap between these newer low mass types and traditional irons with a big ceramic element heating a big lump of metal.I use a Pace TD-100 (and ST-30), which I am quite pleased with, but that is mostly because ex-demo units were available at very low prices a few years ago.It is unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be any such iron available with a reasonable list price from any manufacturer.

author: Greyersting
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 11:33:53 pm
content: I would prefer the display rather than just the knob.

author: logman
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 10, 2013, 09:25:18 am
content: just bought the FX888D with the "free" cutters. i will let you know how i like it. maybe i'll do an unboxing video.

author: B+D Shop
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 01, 2013, 06:39:04 pm
content: Hey everyone... 1st post I know...but we have to start somewhereWith regards to this thread we wanted to throw something out to all of you and gauge the interest level. Just wondering if there would be enough support of the members for us to throw together a special eevblog discount for Hakko products sold from our storebdent.com?A little background: We have been in business since 1976, are authorized for many of the top component and tool lines in the industry (including Hakko), have a very diverse client list from manufacturers world wide to the local hobbyist here in the states and we have been a top seller on Amazon and eBay for years while just relaunched our webstore this last month.If anyone would be interested, just reply to this email or shoot me a PM - we would love to help with your projects as much as possible. I will get a promo going shortly.BestDean

author: tsmith35
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2013, 06:44:54 pm
content: Quote from: B+D Shop on November 01, 2013, 06:39:04 pmFWIW, I've worked with B+D on a previous purchase, and they went the extra mile to provide me with great service, far beyond what I expected. I'm just a happy previous customer.

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 02, 2013, 12:07:17 am
content: In regards to the original post...I am always amazed that people recommend those Hakko or Weller irons. It's not that the quality is bad necessarily, but once you have used a pencil iron, you would never go back to anything else. The big fat grip and long distance from the held portion to the tip make everything other than a pencil tip cumbersome and hard to use.If you look at all the top of the line irons from Pace, Metcal and Weller (WX series), they all use pencil tips. With my Pace units, my fingertips are 4cm from the tip of the iron, and it's so slim I can hold it like a pencil.I think to make such systems work, you need the handpiece made from the right materials, and the power unit must have the ability to pump a lot of power into the tip which must have good thermal recovery.After I used a pencil tip iron, I can't ever imagine using something big and clunky like the FX-888 - where your fingers are 12cm from the tip and you must hold it with an uncomfortable grip.Anyone who hasn't tried a pencil tip is missing out big time!

author: tsmith35
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2013, 01:34:04 am
content: Quote from: Corporate666 on November 02, 2013, 12:07:17 amI know what you mean: the tips on my Hakko irons (FM-203 station with FM-2027 handpieces) are about 4.5 cm from the end of the grip. The foam grips are very comfortable to hold and are replaceable as needed -- the foam is very nice for longer soldering sessions (and I use different grip colors for different tip styles in order to keep things simple and avoid errors).By comparison, my Weller WES51 (with PES51 handpiece) measures nearly 7.5 cm from grip to tip, but I'd used it for years and got used to the length. The grip is ribbed plastic, so it was sometimes uncomfortable if I held it too tightly.As you said, though, it's awkward to go back to a longer handpiece. I still have, and occasionally use, the Weller. It works well and has proven to be quite dependable, just not quite as comfortable.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2013, 04:33:42 am
content: Quote from: Corporate666 on November 02, 2013, 12:07:17 amBoth of mine are pencil type irons (Weller WMP = 3.9cm, WSP80 = 7cm from tip to grip).Thing is, the only ~$100USD iron that has this I can think of with a pencil iron, is an Aoyue 2900 (~$85). Based on comments I've seen, it gets a bit uncomfortable if used for any real period of time (iron gets too warm).Trade-off in comfort I guess; pencil that slowly cooks the user's fingers vs. chunk that may not be as pleasant to hold for extended periods.So unless the buyer has the funds for one of the brand name stations that use a pencil, pick your pain.

author: jeremy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2013, 04:51:15 am
content: I use weller, ersa and hakko irons very frequently (different labs, different lab managers). Hands down, my favourite is the Weller WMRP pencil. I bought one for myself after using it for a while and it's one of the best tool investments I've ever made (I do mostly SMD stuff). I also have an 80W WD1 for when you just need stupid amounts of heat.I've used the Hakko FM-206 station and FX-888D lately and surprisingly, I'm not a fan. Don't seem to handle a big ground plane as well as the weller gear (even the tiny little weller pencil!). Desoldering gun on the 206 is nice though.Also a fan of the WES style irons.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2014, 08:09:03 pm
content: Aoyue int2703A+Aoyue 968Ahi, i need to solder/unsolder DIP, SMDis it better- Aoyue int2703A+instructionsor the combination of- Aoyue 701A+- Aoyue 968A+let me know

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2014, 08:11:49 pm
content: aoyue-968has been commented on hackaday

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2014, 09:08:06 pm
content: I like the cartridge tip technology used in the Aoyue Int2703+ (copies Hakko T15 tips used in the FX-951 FWIW).

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2014, 10:55:26 pm
content: so I'd better buy Aoyue Int2703+ ?what about its desoldering gun ?

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2014, 12:04:39 am
content: Quote from: legacy on July 19, 2014, 10:55:26 pmIt's entirely up to you, but between the two units/alternatives you asked about, I'd go for the 2703+.Desoldering gun works OK (they've been around for awhile in multiple units, as it's a copy of Hakko's design), just need to keep it clean. Here's some reviews on Amazon for that particular model (2703A+)Review of the 2702A+as well on ToolBoom (previous model? ; have to swap iron & desoldering gun on the connector).

author: GreenHW_GUY
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2014, 04:43:27 pm
content: can somebody explain how Hakko 888D can lose almost 50C degree, from standby to when you have to use it. 350C to 300C sound a lot of heat lose. when we know that 270C is where typical solder melts. see graphhttp://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fx888d.htmlI remember when I start in my first educations I have an old Weller with old Magnetic soldering iron station. that only need 320C to heat the solder even on big wire or ground plane with no thermal coupling. so why do a new Hakko 888D need 350C ?sorry if you only know Fahrenheit !

author: MasterBuilder
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2014, 05:00:54 pm
content: I have a Aoyue int2702A+. The soldering iron is awkward to use, and dosent feel well balanced in the hand. Also temperature adjustment is poor due to the crap buttons used. I chose to buy it because of its soldering iron extraction sytem which was important to me due to working in poorly ventilated workshop. Good things about it are all the large amount of different features in one unit. That Aoyue 968 looks better to me due to the knob for temperature adjustment, also the soldering iron looks like a better design.In work I use a Hakko 936 which handles a lot better, has very stable temperature control, wide availability of spare parts and all this after years of hard use.If I was purchasing again I would get something from Hakko and rig up some extraction system.

author: jay
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2014, 07:59:06 am
content: I wonder how many of the Hakko fans have ever used a high end JBC? Or Ersa or Weller?I admit I've never tried a Hakko 888. I have difficulty believing it can match the far more expensive and newer irons from JBC or Ersa.

author: PChi
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2014, 01:18:45 pm
content: I think that it is necessary to consider the application. I had a Weller TCP iron for many years and for through hole components and old style PCBs with no large ground planes and was happy. I have previously used old Hakko irons and they were OK for surface mount and relatively fine pitch components. I guess a Hakko 888 falls into that category.With 0402 surface mount components and ground planes then the expensive irons like the JBC or Metcal with low thermal resistance between the heat source and the tip are needed.Hakko have released the FX-100 that uses an induction heater. Possibly using similar technology to Metcal.For home use it's worth considering long term spares availability. A Tenma hot air station wasn't that controllable and outlasted the warranty but didn't have a huge amount of use at work before dying. My Weller survived well over two decades so price / year is very low. I have now passed it on to a nephew.

author: tsmith35
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2014, 03:58:18 pm
content: Quote from: jay on August 30, 2014, 07:59:06 amBuy a soldering iron or station that meets your needs, and at a price you can afford. I use my Hakko station for all types of soldering. Is it the finest in the world? No, but it works great for me, and the price was within my budget. I like it.

author: charlespax
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2014, 08:25:11 pm
content: Quote from: bgsteiner on October 07, 2013, 03:29:42 amI've been very happy with the Hakko.

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2014, 09:05:40 pm
content: I have a Hakko 936 at home and a Hakko FM203 at work. Both are great, been using them for years and am still using all of the original tips (the ones included with the iron as well as a few different shapes/sizes I purchased initially, all genuine) and they still look like new. I have zero complaints about either station, they're consistent, reliable, and the tips seem to last forever.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2014, 11:52:28 am
content: I'm with the eggroll here. I also have a Hakko 936 that's about 5-6 years old and it still works great. The key for any Hakko is buying original tips. I coughed up the extra money for original tips and had no regrets, since I still have them. I will say that, thanks to the EEVBlog, I have learned to take better care of them, so I expect them to last a very long time. Still, would love to have and induction iron, but beyond my means to afford one.