Linux Code of Conduct claims a victim - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2020, 08:48:26 pm
content: In short: Due to a bizarre reaction from person X who saw person Y in a MAGA hat, person Y has been dis-invited from a Linux conference by the Linux Foundation.http://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2019/11/08/OpenLetterLinuxFoundation.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8TcBeltvk4&feature=youtu.beThis is how linux (and freedom) can die.

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2020, 09:13:29 pm
content: I agree with Robert Martin's letter, The Linux Foundation had no business responding to apubliccomplaint or in responding to itpubliclyand in both cases, they themselves committed violations of their own Code of Conduct. I also don't see how the victim, Mr Wood, committed any violation of the Code of Conduct by wearing a MAGA hat. This country has always believed in the Freedom of Speech and I believe that the original complaint and the Linux Foundation's public response and their subsequent banning My Wood from their event are all clear violations of his Right to Freedom of Speech.The Linux Foundation can go F*** themselves!

author: asmi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2020, 09:17:05 pm
content: QuoteAm I the only one who smell SJW here?

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2020, 09:43:15 pm
content: The Linux "community" at large, need to get a life and grow up, and also keep out of the affairs of grown ups. Is it any surprise that this collective have never made it to the mainstream with a TRULY successful commercial, uniform, predictable product? These morons are too busy bickering over window managers and "the proper way" to do package management.This is the "community" you're dealing with:https://www.techrepublic.com/article/can-we-please-stop-talking-about-the-linux-desktop/https://betanews.com/2013/07/16/childish-names-are-becoming-a-real-problem-for-linux/https://marcelgommans.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/why-linux-will-never-rule-on-the-desktop/https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/linux-good-opinion/

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2020, 10:27:27 pm
content: QuoteQuote from: asmi on August 27, 2020, 09:17:05 pmEverybody has been saying that Open Sores is just a bunch of communists, what do you expect

author: Sal Ammoniac
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2020, 10:33:30 pm
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on August 27, 2020, 09:13:29 pmThe US Constitution does indeed protect the right to free speech, but only from infringement by the government itself. It does nothing to protect free speech in a private setting, such as the Linux Foundation.Don't believe me? Try to speak for your company (assuming you work for one) and then use the "free speech" defense and see how far that gets you.

author: Muku
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 27, 2020, 10:41:26 pm
content: As much as I dislike the whole MAGA brigade and their cult of personality following, I don't agree with people being banned for wearing a hat.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 12:48:03 am
content: Well maybe it stood for Make ArchLinux Great Again.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 04:48:03 am
content: It sounds a lot like the "MAGA" hat person was pushing a personal agenda.It's what they used to call "dragging your coat tails".Nuts on both sides of the political spectra love doing stuff like this so they can claim "persecution".I would, personally, not even wear a "Fremantle Dockers" jumper to a conference of such a kind.In Oz, that would more than likely get you in a fight!

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 05:55:12 am
content: Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on August 27, 2020, 10:33:30 pmThis. This so much.People just can't wrap their heads around the concept that the only thing that matters is the Constitution, that the Constitution restricts the government and largely leaves it to the People to maintain social order, and that Corporations are People too. They are even more People than you because of all the lawyers and lobbying they can afford. When was the last timeyoupayed for your elected representative's holidays in appreciation of his work, huh?So stop whining that a corporation exercises its Freedom of Speech and refuses to platform fringe right wing political options. Your right to whine is as true as the corporation's right to play anti-fascist police, but actually exercising it makes you look like an envious, spoiled child.

author: JohanH
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 07:18:41 am
content: Quote from: daqq on August 27, 2020, 08:48:26 pmI don't see how. It is open source. Please take your agenda elsewhere.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 07:29:07 am
content: Quote from: jukk on August 28, 2020, 07:18:41 amWhat exactly is my agenda? I do not support Trump, nor his fanboys. But removing people from a professional/scientific conference due to their political views is simply not OK and sets up a very dangerous precedence.

author: Karel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 07:29:55 am
content: It's time to "fork" the Linux Foundation and let the SJW branche slowly die...

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 07:33:24 am
content: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"And no. Practically firing someone from their work, because of their political view is not OK.It is one step away from sending the black van during the night to drag them away into the gulag.

author: JohanH
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 08:06:50 am
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on August 28, 2020, 07:33:24 amIt is not OK to advertise political agendas at work. In most places this is frowned upon and is at least seen as bad behavior by many people. Of course, different companies could have different rules.Quote from: NANDBlog on August 28, 2020, 07:33:24 amI'm definitely not worried about the so called SJW group starting sending such vans. Is there any real evidence for that? The accusations about "SJW", "commies" etc. seem to come from people having a political view that somehow neatly fits into the views of the MAGA people where you are allowed to look down on "foreign" people, people of different color etc. Many of the MAGA people have made very clear that they do not accept all people as equal human beings. So is it so surprising that people with such extreme political views could be banned from such events? And latest developments indicate that it is this group of people that are most likely to start sending those black vans during night. Indeed the last days there have been openly expressed views about justifying murder of what they call "commies" or whatever term they make up. That is much more worrying right now.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 08:25:44 am
content: I don't support Trump. I despise him in fact. I think he is one of the worst US presidents in recent memory, and his incompetence has impacts across the globe. I think his supporters wearing 'MAGA' hats are fools.However I will fight to the end to defend someone wearing a MAGA hat if that is what they choose to do so. It is fair game to criticise them, to challenge them, but it is their right, and a 'MAGA' hat is not and should not be offensive speech.

author: krish2487
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 08:27:46 am
content: Quote from: jukk on August 28, 2020, 08:06:50 amIsnt the banning of the individual a metaphorical black van? just because they(the SJW) do not align with the banned individuals political views?MAGA supporters (extremists and others) might have expressed any opinion of theirs. It is their right to express it. and yours to disagree with it.What is not acceptable, as others have pointed out, is to enforce an arbitrary set of rules owing to a political difference of opinion. You said it yourself, it is frowned upon to talk politics at workplace. What should have been done is1. Not give a damn about political affiliations in a unrelated technical event.2. If the LF felt the need to do so, do ask the individual to be a little aware of bringing political views to a technical event, but discreetly and privately.In any case, banning the individual is a big no no.Say I dont agree with what you hold as views on this forum. Does that mean I can make a public complaint about it in a thread and the mods take action by banning you publicly and make a statement in the thread? How is it even relevant to electronics? And why should your political views be the cause of such explusion for you?Do you see where I am going with this?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 08:36:56 am
content: Quote from: Stray Electron on August 27, 2020, 09:13:29 pmThe US has gone batshit crazy.Or to be more correct, Joe Public is just now so scared to just tell some complainer to piss off, and not to bring politics into somewhere it doesn't belong, that it's causing everyone to cave in every time someone complains about something.It's not that other countries aren't going the same way, but it seems to have hit peak stupidity in the US.Pictured wearing a MAGA hat? That was enough to get someone barred from a conference? What a ridiculous state of affairs.

author: JohanH
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 08:48:00 am
content: Quote from: krish2487 on August 28, 2020, 08:27:46 amI see your point.Quote from: krish2487 on August 28, 2020, 08:27:46 amThe problem is, like EEVBlog said, the US is going batshit crazy. And this on many fronts. I can't tell who started it, but the so called "SJW" group's reactions (if they can be called a group; there is no such organization) are definitely triggered by the hostility and agenda of the extreme right in the US. In fact on the extreme right this is not metaphorical anymore. You can't just blame one side, it all belongs together whether we want it or not.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 08:53:59 am
content: Quote from: jukk on August 28, 2020, 08:48:00 amThe thing I don't get with the extreme hatred for Trump supporters is thatit's practically half of the country.Really, you are going to hate and fight withhalf the country? Geeze, chill out.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 08:58:34 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 28, 2020, 08:53:59 amTake a few steps back, see thing wider, different perspective ... and then the words "divide et impera" feels becoming so bold and deep.

author: JohanH
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 09:08:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 28, 2020, 08:53:59 amI'm not sure it is hatred. Maybe a realistic viewpoint of us human beings. Seeing the danger with especially some sort of human behavior and where it could lead. Personally I just feel pity for them. Just look at history. 80 years ago there were not just half countries, but whole countries going totally insane here in Europe. Millions of people died because of that (everyone's grandparents over here were were hit by the effects in some way so we know about it literally).

author: ercapoccia
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 09:15:07 am
content: USA is in a very dark place right now. It is falling apart. I hope the negative trend change soon.

author: SerieZ
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 09:20:12 am
content: Quote from: jukk on August 28, 2020, 09:08:49 amTo me it is fairly obvious hatred and it is quite a similar powder keg as the one that exploded 80 years ago.Many people are extremely fed up of being pushed around and the bullies won't back down because they think of themselves as victims.BTW we are heading for the same in Europe - it is a Western Crisis.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 09:30:46 am
content: Quote from: jukk on August 28, 2020, 08:48:00 amWhen you have gone so insanely far left, everything even a little on the right side of you seems far right.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 09:42:00 am
content: This thread is really in danger of becoming political.

author: JohanH
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 09:43:53 am
content: Quote from: wraper on August 28, 2020, 09:30:46 am"insanely far left"Are you sure you are that good at judging characters and political viewpoints through the internet? It looks to me (again could be my misinterpretation of written text on the internet) that anything remotely "left" these days are judged as being "insanely far left". By that measure, all of the northern Europe would be "insanely far left" as I feel I have views aligning to the majority of population in these countries in EU.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 10:05:46 am
content: Quote from: jukk on August 28, 2020, 08:48:00 amI call "media bias" on this. Just because there are loud groups, represented a lot in the media does not mean they are that many or that all of it conveys objective truth, it's usually just the extreme ends of a spectrum (or several spectra) over a standard distribution.It's not chilling to watch, but i don't expect Joe Average going to work make news.QuoteIn the moment people leave the actual subject (attendance of a Linux Conference), all sorts of biases kick in. The only sad thing is the effort wasted for this kind of sh*t and people that utilize that for their own personal gain.Within netizens it is kind of a common occurrence that people discuss stuff that they think is interesting and once then they meet in person or suddenly politics comes up and they discover to have a different view on it. Open minded people kind of get along or just agree to disagree, but some think they need to make it the only topic from then on and get caught in the complexity of politics, opinions and subsequent attention economy. I don't need to know the political orientation of everyone i have to do with.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 10:10:49 am
content: FYI, anyone who comes complaining to me about something someone is/said/done outside of this forum will be politely told to piss off and grow upThis sort of crap almost destroyed The AmpHour BTW.

author: JohanH
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 10:18:43 am
content: Quote from: SparkyFX on August 28, 2020, 10:05:46 am@SparkyFXI agree with your post.Sometimes it feels that the thing internet forums and social media is best at is lifting extreme views into focus and trying to enrage everyone over matters that in real life in face to face discussions wouldn't raise an eyebrow. That is of course what they live on (advertisement). It is nothing new, who remembers paper gossip magazines etc. It is just that this technology is so overwhelming that human minds have a hard time coping with the amount of information. We are not that good at processing information.

author: mfro
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 10:43:48 am
content: Anyone asked themselves why the original post warms up a 9 month old story just now?

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 10:48:21 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 28, 2020, 10:10:49 amSnort!I'm not usually a fan of overt bluntness, but sometimes it isexactlythe right attitudetom66's comment about this thread becoming political makes me want to start a sweepstake about how long it will be before it is locked. (The sooner the better, since this can only generate IR without visible light).

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 10:52:25 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 28, 2020, 08:53:59 amThe vast majority of such supporters are unlikely ever to wear a MAGA hat, having the commonsense to not want to get into political arguments.Those who do, are probably tough enough to live with any "pushback" from their political adversaries.That said, I was remiss in not reading the complete OP's posting.I wrongly believed he was wearing it to the conference.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 28, 2020, 10:52:42 am
content: Quote from: mfro on August 28, 2020, 10:43:48 amDidn't notice it was old news. Yeah, locked.