Thermal Imaging Camera on sale for $499 - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: Jay_Diddy_B
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 03:03:55 am
content: Hi,In this weeks Canadian Tire flyerI have no idea what the specifications are. I will go to the store tomorrow and see what I can find out.The regular price for this camera is $799.00This the first time I have seen a thermal at $500.00Jay_Diddy_B

author: edpalmer42
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 03:41:01 am
content: If you look it up online, a user comment states (and I confirmed at the store) that the resolution of the thermal sensor is listed on the box as 12x16 pixels.Here's the URL:http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/mastercraft-maximum-thermal-imager-0574582p.htmlEd

author: Jay_Diddy_B
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 03:55:14 am
content: Hi,The excitement is overwith that resolution it is useless for electronics.The specifications are:Specifications:Thermal display resolution: 12X16 pixel array (interpolated)Object temperature range: -20 to 300CField of view (FOV) of 12X16 array: 40 degrees horizontalInternal memory: 64Mbit (x8) NAND flashLCD size: 2.8 VGA LCDLCD resolution: 320X240 pixelsCamera: 300K Pixel digital cameraMax. Relative humidity: 85%Operating temperature: 0 to 40degrees C (32 to 104 degrees F)Storage temperature -10 to 50 degrees C (14 to 122 degrees F)Power supply: 4x “AA” batteries (included)Thanks for looking it up Ed.Jay_Diddy_B

author: willb
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 04:09:14 am
content: Can't say I'm surprised, I've been disappointed with every Mastercraft power/electrical tool I've used. If it's anything other than basic hand tools, I tend to avoid mastercrap. The warrenty is sweet, sure, but notning is more frustrating than snapping a socket/wrench halfway though a job.

author: ixfd64
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 04:22:32 am
content: This link might be of interest:http://www.optimumenergy.com/canadian-tires-thermal-imager

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 04:40:26 am
content: I'm probably way too optimistic here, but anyone know whether the sensor actually has only 192 pixels or is it downsampled? Would be great if it could be "Mike'd"...

author: edpalmer42
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 05:47:44 am
content: Quote from: amyk on November 22, 2013, 04:40:26 amThat would be nice, but why would they do that?The sensor used in the IR-Blue is only 4x16 pixels and it looks like it costs about $50, even in large quantities.http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MLX90620ESF-BAB-000-TU/MLX90620ESF-BAB-000-TU-ND/3175237Even if this Mastercraft Imager is only 12x16 pixels, the sensor cost will be a large part of the total parts cost. A larger sensor would be even more expensive. They wouldn't put a larger sensor in and then not use it.This is the same wall that the MuOptics people slammed into.Ed

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 07:29:17 am
content: Quote from: edpalmer42 on November 22, 2013, 05:47:44 amYou could say the same for Flir... although they do have higher-end models. I'm not so optimistic as to think there'd be a 320x240 in this one, but there's a better chance it could be a 32x24 or 64x48.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 10:34:33 am
content: Quote from: amyk on November 22, 2013, 04:40:26 amThe specs say 'interpolated' so its probably a 4x4 sensor.

author: edpalmer42
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 06:23:11 am
content: Quote from: amyk on November 22, 2013, 07:29:17 amI wasn't following the Flir threads so I didn't understand your comment. Now I do!I really don't understand the economics of the Flir situation unless it's just a case of ripping off their customers by charging stupidly high prices for the top end units, even though the cost of production doesn't justify those prices.I guess that the only way we will ever know is if someone does a teardown on one of these Mastercraft units.Any volunteers?Ed

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2013, 04:41:30 pm
content: This unit will be similar to that manufactures by IRISys in the UK.IRISys designed and built a 16x16 pixel pyro-electric detector and placed it in a thermal camera called the IRI-1001. The camera used an Compaq PDA to process the data and display the images. The model was succeeded by the IRI-1011 which was basically a smarter looking case on the 1001 chassis. These were designed to be affordable thermal cameras when AGEMA was charging >$50,000 for their units.With regard to interpolation, IRISys used a system where the temperature of the neighbouring pixels was used to determine whether the heat source was to the centre, left, right, above or below the primary pixel. Using this technique IRISys simulated a detector with 48x48 pixels. Interploation claimed a 96x96 pixel equivalent resolution.The 1011 appears her with pics.http://www.pat-training.co.uk/irisys_iri_1011_thermal.htmMike has owned one of the IRISys cameras and commented to me that its resolution was still inadequate for easy target recognition. This is more like a FLUKE VT02 but without the aid of the visual camera overlay.Update. IRI 1001 and 1011 handbooks added for interest.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 01, 2013, 04:49:14 pm
content: Quote from: Aurora on December 01, 2013, 04:41:30 pmThe Irisys 16x16 product was originally designed for a specific customer who wanted to look for hot wheel bearings on a fleet of vehicles - it was probably just about up to that job but generally pretty useless. The sensor was one they already used in their people-counting products (where it is used un-shuttered as they only care about moving targets). The camera product used a spinning wheel shutter.

author: edpalmer42
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2014, 08:03:43 pm
content: Canadian Tire has posted a video about their thermal camera. It doesn't give much in the way of good close up pictures of the screen, but whatever.Ed

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2014, 08:29:49 pm
content: The menu looks to be trying to emulate an iPhoneAA batteries as a power source ....nah, very old school.In performance terms it appears to be more like the Fluke VT02/04 series than the FLIR E4. It is even described as a visual thermometer and not a thermal camera in the commentary. At least they are honest about it.HOWEVER....this camera has a decent USB socket.....unlike the E4

author: bombledmonk
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2014, 08:42:09 pm
content: The Panasonic Grid Eye is a similar 8x8 pyro-electric sensor. The output can be interpolated for a pretty effective thermal view. Still, it's fairly limited as one might expect. I've got one of these breakouts sitting here and it's a neat little toy if nothing else.http://eewiki.net/display/projects/Panasonic+GridEYE+Breakout+Board+and+GUI