Tesla suing Nikola Truck over a design. - Hydrogen power gets another black eye - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 27, 2020, 07:42:35 pm
content: Tesla suing Nikola over hydrogen truck design. Turns out Trevor, (the community college drop-out) claimed he designed the truck in his basement... When in reality he had someone on Croatia design it.https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/09/nikola-founder-bought-truck-designs-from-third-party/

author: bson
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 27, 2020, 10:52:04 pm
content: Trevor Milton's word for today is "paltering."

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 08:33:28 am
content: Ah, Nikola - the company that filmed a video of their truck "In Motion" but forgot to mention that the vehicle was parked on a steep decline with the brakes off.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 02:12:23 pm
content: I infer from the article that when they say design hey are only talking about the appearance of the truck cabin, "rectangle with rounded corners" kind of thing. Therefore the type of engine is not even in the consideration, be it hydrogen one or whatever.

author: HighVoltage
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 05:28:44 pm
content: We are confronted with a new level of bad news about Nikola on a weekly basis.There is little hope that this company will exist by the end of the year.And a lot of smaller investors will have lost their investment.It really seems that they have zero intellectual property in their own company.It also seems that they wanted to buy it all with money they raised by lying about everything.It almost worked.

author: f4eru
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 06:21:54 pm
content: QuoteTheGravity EnginePatent it quickly !

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 06:29:28 pm
content: "Your company presented an ugly truck? No fair, we did the ugly truck thing before you!"

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 06:32:02 pm
content: Quote from: f4eru on September 28, 2020, 06:21:54 pmEven better would be the self-charging, thousand-year battery made from nuclear waste.

author: Neilm
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 06:50:18 pm
content: I should not that this is not Tesla suing Nikola - Nikola sued Tesla. This is Tesla defending itself and arguing that the patents should not have been granted.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 06:55:21 pm
content: Quote from: Neilm on September 28, 2020, 06:50:18 pmOne has to wonder as with Elizabeth Holmes, what was Trevor thinking? And does he really think he's going to be able to keep his $37M mansion in Utah? Seems to me he might be soon getting a 6x12 room with catered meals for the next 5-12 years paid for by tax payers.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 07:55:38 pm
content: This is the new corporation - all hype and marketing to attract investment dollars, but the fundamentals of having good technology, feasible products or any sales- no longer matters.I worry about it as far as the engineering profession goes, since we are the ones that apply science and technology to make something tangible. Of course this takes time, talent and a good environment.Instead, we will flog and beat the engineers to hurry up and make something to appease investors and give shareholders return ASAP. Executives have no patience and continue to shill their fantasy. It's actually hilarious because the truck's "design" is the look and artsy aspect, and oops no hydrogen technology exists here.Would any of us work for Nikola? It would be a fun ride, and then a crash afterwards. I find many new companies are in a fantasy about their technology being realistic or unique and they do little to manage the actual product development other than turn the thumbscrews on engineering.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 09:14:16 pm
content: Was Tesla about Hydrogen vehicles? Or about Trevor becoming a billionaire?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 10:32:29 pm
content: Why are all of Doug’s threads reading like advertorials for electric? It'd be good to disclose any ties to, interests in or relations with the electric vehicle industry.

author: chickenHeadKnob
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 11:12:06 pm
content: Quote from: DougSpindler on September 28, 2020, 06:55:21 pmI dunno about Utah. The go to state for fraudsters who want to retain their mansions is Florida. You can declare bankruptcy and keep your principle residence, no mater how opulent. I know this from a Canadian news story about grifter who obtained a government loan to start a clothing manufacturing business and then hid in a nice Florida palace with all his loot. This was before crypto-currencies became a thing, so there is that option as well.

author: DougSpindler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2020, 11:13:01 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on September 28, 2020, 10:32:29 pmAre you asking for a full disclosure? I am attached to the grid through PG&E in California but have solar panels. I own an ICE (Tacoma truck) and on my second Volt. I do not work for or own any stock in any power company, car company, EV company/alt fuel company or any closely related company. I have worked in the tech world, (pronominally in cybersecurity) and have been a college professor teaching tech for 25 years.Like most people in this forum I am here to learn and share what I have learned with others. I have no time or interest in BS science such as claims of perpetual motion and conspiracy theories except to debunk them. Like Dave, I do like learning about companies who are going to change the world, like Apple, Tesla, Solar Roadways, Liquid Metal Batteries, Hydrogen powered cars, Theranos, Nikola and Nano Diamond Battery (self-charging nuclear batteries).While I think all of these companies told a good story to get investors, its interesting to see which ones are trying to disobey the laws of physics and why. (As Dave does in his videos.) Three weeks ago when I learned of Nikola I thought they had a plausible business plan. But now we know the truth. Theranos was total BS if you knew anything about biology and medical testing equipment.Does that answer your question? I would like to thank Dave and the others in his forums for answer my questions and contributing to my posts. I have used your information to teach thousands of my students.