OWON Show #2 XDS oscilloscope touch screen guide - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: OWON
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 06:30:30 am
content: Hello again eevbloggers!Thanks for your warm welcome last time when we post our first thread. We collect some of your good advise, such as font issue, button position issue. Thesed feedbacks help us a lot in later software and hardware develope, thank you!As a series of show, OWON XDS show now release the second chapter: Touch Screen Gesture Guide.You could see it here:https://youtu.be/gzmM74askckIt will also help you to realize the touch function of OWON XDS oscilloscope.Some news of OWON, we attended HK Electronic Fair (Spring Edition) during 13~16 April (last week). XDS oscilloscope display in the front table and make great attraction. Most of customers there were concerned about Touch screen an Wi-Fi function of XDS oscilloscope, it's convenient to use touch screen to control the waveform and to use the Mobile or Android Pads to monitor the data. O0

author: Radio Tech
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 09:35:37 am
content: It is good to see OWON step up on their DSO. Looks much better than they used to.I bought a PDS6062 DSO quite a while ago brand new. Although the scope works it is basically useless. Cannot see the darn screen regardless of what angle you view it from. Turn the lights out in the room and it is a bit better. Tried using the software to capture the image and it fails twice then hits on the third try.The scope sits on the shelf now and seldom used. This was my first DSONow back to my old Tek................Would I recommend a OWON? Remember first impressions....

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 10:35:51 am
content: Quote from: Radio Tech on April 19, 2016, 09:35:37 amPDS is old history. Display was at this timeSTNLCD Display! And all we remember old laptops what have STN DSTN display. Perhaps still find in some museum. There in PDS is nothing to compare todays technology - nothing.After then example in 6 years ago SDS series and now in XDS series, there is of course LED backlighted TFT and this industry grade 8" 800x600 TFT what Owon now have used many years is really good if compare to what ever other scopes in this price group. (and I have compared with my own eyes and not as seller but for my own use also)

author: AR
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 09:37:09 pm
content: Hello Owon,Just curious what 12bit ADC you use in the XDS scopes.

author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2016, 10:45:05 pm
content: This touch screen looks very nice! Really cool! Want to have itCan you also do a video about the connection with Android?How do you transmit the signal over to Android? Do you use a proprietary protocol or do you cast the video using industry protocol? WiFi Direct, Miracast, etc.Can one control the scope as well through Android or is it just for video display?

author: OWON
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 01:24:40 am
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on April 19, 2016, 10:45:05 pmHiThanks for compliment.Yes, video about Wi-Fi connection will be published in the following show video, there is an individual chapter to introduce it. The scope can be controlled through Android end, not just for video display.Robin Chan

author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 02:22:15 am
content: Regarding VGA video output.Are you considering to add HDMI output in the future?

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 04:09:17 am
content: Quote from: AR on April 19, 2016, 09:37:09 pmForum have search function.But if you read this thread you know more.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-owon-xds-oscilloscopes/

author: OWON
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2016, 08:00:04 am
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on April 20, 2016, 02:22:15 amIt shoud be accordance with market demand. If users need it, we'll add it.

author: GEuser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 21, 2016, 03:34:36 pm
content: Going to have more digits to the Frequency counter display?121.047.137 MHZ for instance , with a OXCO or TXCO ? , that SDS version is Useless imo .

author: OWON
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 02:34:12 am
content: Quote from: GEuser on April 21, 2016, 03:34:36 pmXDS owns TCXO 1ppm hardware.

author: radhaz
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2016, 03:58:58 am
content: I have been using this scope for a while now, doing nothing serious, just troubleshooting an amplifier. I'm liking it more as I use it, particularly the touch interface. This XDS3102A actually boots faster than the Keysight X3000T I have at work. The control layout is becoming familiar to me, as are the menus. Nice scope for under 1k US$.

author: GEuser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2016, 09:35:55 am
content: Quote from: OWON on April 22, 2016, 02:34:12 amTry to implement a vco , so that when it drifts one can go into a menu and calibrate it to a known standard reference , a big downfall in SDS series is stuck with what its got (no adjustment available) .

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2016, 10:21:18 am
content: Quote from: GEuser on April 24, 2016, 09:35:55 amRigol DS2000A ± 25ppm, ± 5ppm year drift (no adjustment)Siglent SDS1000X, SDS2000, SDS2000X ± 25ppm (no adjustment)GWI GDS-2000E ± 50ppm (adjustment? I believe no)Keysight infiniivision 2000X ±25ppm, ± 5ppm year drift (adjustment? I believe no)Keysight infiniium S series, initial ± 12ppb, ± 75ppb year drift (adjustment? Perhaps?? )I think Owon claim about ± 1ppm is really good in this class.Can you name oscilloscopes in this or even near this price class where is better than 1ppm clock and with adjusttment.I think list is very short.

author: OWON
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2016, 01:10:45 am
content: Quote from: radhaz on April 22, 2016, 03:58:58 amIf there is any other comments when using, pls let us know. Thank you

author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2016, 05:20:48 pm
content: Do you consider to send this oscilloscope to Dave Jones for an in-depth EEVBlog review video?When sending the oscilloscope to Dave Jones, you should explicitly ask him to do 2 videos:1) Technical review video, with in-depth measurements2) Take it apart videoThe take it apart videos are nice, but don't provide so much information to the end users.It is much better if there is an actual technical review video.I guess, that if you send the oscilloscope, that you can decide on the type of videos which he should do.Of course the reviews should be objective. That's not a question. But the scope of the videos can be defined.Take it apart videos can be boring. Much better to do a technical review video.Of course, it will take more preparation, but the value is so much higher, and the view count mightbe higher too

author: pxl
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2016, 10:22:05 pm
content: At 12 bit, why that sine wave is so thick? It should be a hairline, I guess.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2016, 10:26:04 pm
content: Quote from: pxl on April 30, 2016, 10:22:05 pmBaseline noise.

author: pxl
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2016, 11:44:54 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on April 30, 2016, 10:26:04 pmProbably, just look strange that the raise and fall edges have the same thickness as the top and bottom near horizontal parts. Maybe it is just the video.

author: GEuser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2016, 12:41:29 pm
content: tautech , Don't mention that word in a Owon thread .

author: radhaz
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2016, 07:36:14 pm
content: owon xds3102a

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2016, 07:59:08 pm
content: Nothing wrong with that trace radhaz, show us a max sensitivity baseline with no signal input and BW limit on.

author: radhaz
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2016, 08:32:56 pm
content: Hope I did this right:xds3102a_10mv_2nsxds3102a_10mv_2us

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2016, 08:37:25 pm
content: Quote from: radhaz on May 01, 2016, 08:32:56 pm

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2016, 08:37:59 pm
content: You should set the probe to 1X otherwise your measurement result is wrong. It may also be necessary to short the input to make sure the scope isn't picking up external signals. What is also interesting is whether you can zoom vertically when the scope is in stop mode so you can actually use the 12 bit vertical resolution.

author: radhaz
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2016, 08:53:10 pm
content: In my test a 50 ohm termination showed no difference. Setting 1x on the channel seemed to just move the decimal place. At maximum vertical sensitivity I can only zoom out.

author: GEuser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 03:25:40 am
content: I'll never ever purchase one of these , look at that freq display 65.79MHZ , .79 What? MHz , .79000 .79050 .79500 .79853 , any of these devices with a inbuilt freq counter that shows only part of it is utterly a wast of time having one in it , and as far as spending 1 to 2k or more for such inferior device's is a joke .Tiny oxco's and txco's are out there and adjustable with a control voltage .Thanks for the pics radhaz .

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 05:51:06 am
content: Quote from: GEuser on May 02, 2016, 03:25:40 amA strong opinion and detached from reality. My condolences.Here is not opinion. Just raw data.For some reason, I respect data more than sentimental opinions with no basis in reality.Signal 10MHz and 1MHz are coming from sources what are locked to house standard better than 0.1ppbImages from running scope "on the fly".

author: pxl
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 06:52:46 am
content: Guys, some questions:- does it have a fan? (If so, how much loud, comparing to other scopes if you have any).- FFT points, speed?- any intensity gradation?( I've seen monochromatic 1 bit waveforms so far).- noise at 1 mV/div?And the new UI font looks good

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 07:15:03 am
content: Quote from: rf-loop on May 02, 2016, 05:51:06 amBest ever quote from rf-loop ^^^You cannot help some that do not have an open mind or are so blind they cannot/will not see.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 08:42:32 am
content: Quote from: radhaz on May 01, 2016, 08:53:10 pmOK, thanks for tthe extra info! It is true only the decimal place shifts (so the result is 360uVpp) but some people have a hard time interpreting an oscilloscope screen so it is better to spell it out for them.

author: Deuze
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 09:10:16 am
content: Looks very interesting tech. But got a question, is also works on Apple devices?

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 09:21:43 am
content: Here some random... "as is" images.

author: GEuser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 10:11:21 am
content: Quote from: tautech on May 02, 2016, 07:15:03 amHa Ha HA , take another look at that picture i was on about in Reply #22 , it shows it was not turned on as i now know ! unless one owns one of these and its sitting there in front of you or one has not watched the video or a video apart from the first one and then one see's that picture ? well that's what i did , so as since i do not have one of these or would if that matters if it ain't displayed it ain't there ..But no , you and rfloop have to do the semi-quasi personal attacks (in which i do not mind as it can be very enlightening btw) about such a simple thing that could have been explained more simply by just being factual , that Owon SDS thread sure did rattle some ..A factual thread .Not that i need any help of your type regarding sales of Owon

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 10:32:16 am
content: Quote from: GEuser on May 02, 2016, 10:11:21 amIMHO you are making a fool of yourself. The readout is showing the period and frequency between the cursors. Since the cursors have a finite resolution the 2 decimal frequency display is already showing more significant digits than the measurement method can provide.

author: GEuser
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 10:36:16 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on May 02, 2016, 10:32:16 amFair Dinkum .

author: pxl
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2016, 12:26:12 pm
content: Quote from: OWON on April 19, 2016, 06:30:30 amHi, did you planned to implement the intensity gradation? Being monochromatic waveforms ruins the main selling point, the 12 bit ADC, because 12 bit is important so that we can check the small details in the waveforms. However, if all of the waveforms captured in a display refresh time are stacked without any shading, then all we can see is a thick, even waveform without being able to see the statistical difference, and hiding all the details in that thick waveform.It is ok, when stopped and you can see only one waveform, but checking the live stream is not that ok. Please work on that, if possible.

author: OWON
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 03:42:59 am
content: Quote from: pxl on May 02, 2016, 12:26:12 pmHiIt is in the plan now. Sure as you said, intensity gradation makes it more convenient for users to check the waveform. OWON XDS series oscilloscope has employed the multi-level gray scale and color temperature to show the waveform gradation.

author: radhaz
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 03:52:53 am
content: This scope is looking like a good effort. I look forward to the next firmware.

author: Skimask
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 03:58:40 am
content: And I look forward to selling my SDS7102V...

author: radhaz
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 05:56:50 am
content: I have a 7102 as well. It will probably be sold soon.

author: Skimask
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 01:43:28 pm
content: ...selling my SDS7102V, meaning I won't be buying another OWON o'scope until I know for sure that the knobs work the way they should.Pick a knob, Ch1 Vertical, Horizontal, Trigger, whatever... Half the time when I turn them, they go the wrong direction...turning fast or slow, doesn't matter.I originally picked the OWON for the larger 800x600 screen, more pixels to show data (not just the wave, but levels, etc.). Doesn't help much if you can't the cursors in the right spot in the first place.

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 03:35:05 pm
content: Quote from: Skimask on May 03, 2016, 01:43:28 pmIf this is case with SDS7102 it is - exactly - failed. Defect!How far after purchase this fails. If inside 3 years there is warranty. Front panel PCB where is encoders need replace.If out of warranty you can buy this cheap spare spart PCB from Owon.Btw, Rigol have also lot of "famous" records also about encoder problems.I have experience about quite lot of this model and personally I have never get any single unit from customer to warranty repair with this problem.

author: pxl
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 06:54:47 pm
content: Quote from: OWON on May 03, 2016, 03:42:59 amThank you, that sounds good!

author: pxl
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 06:59:09 pm
content: Which is the latest downloadable firmware for XDS series? On the owon site I can search only for serial numbers, which obviously I don't have.

author: pxl
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 07:07:15 pm
content: Quote from: pxl on May 02, 2016, 06:52:46 amPlease check my answers commented.

author: Skimask
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2016, 07:59:19 pm
content: Quote from: rf-loop on May 03, 2016, 03:35:05 pmMine has been that way since day 1. I always figured they'd fix it with a firmware update. No dice so far.And it is my 2nd one. First one failed hard within a couple hours, power supply smoked, actually smoked itself.Rigol vs encoder problems... I've watched a bunch of youtube videos on the 1000Z series, specifically paid attention to how the various cursors and inputs behave when the encoder knobs are spun. Yes I've seen the occasional jumping when the knobs are spun fast, but haven't seen a clip in a video yet that has the inputs going the wrong direction with regard to turning an encoder.I'm up for having somebody change my mind though.

author: OWON
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2016, 01:02:10 am
content: Quote from: pxl on May 03, 2016, 06:59:09 pmYes, you need the serial number which is on the rear side of device to ensure update. If you have a XDS oscilloscope, why not check it and enter it in our website? Or if it is troublesome for you to operate in our website, you could contact our staff Mr.Tomas Tang at info@owon.com.cn to talk about updating issue.

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2016, 02:56:12 pm
content: Quote from: OWON on May 05, 2016, 01:02:10 amwith XDS3102A what ever serial number I write, also if I type my current serial. Nothing available and still my screen info show version V.1.0.0.0Only message: "The firmware onto your OWON device is in latest version, no need to upgrade, thanks."Is it really current latest version?If I ask from sales persons, they do not know anything but "if you have some problem our engineers can solve it"

author: pxl
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2016, 03:31:23 pm
content: Quote from: OWON on May 05, 2016, 01:02:10 amI have not yet, but it is essential for me to know which firmware updates was arrived, and what was the changelog.https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/firmware/hmo1002See?