IMPORTANT: Should the EEVblog have separate channels? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 am
content: This should be in the EEVblog section, but it's so important I wanted the widest coverage in General Chat.Ever since the start I have been of the opinion that the EEVblog should be only one channel, with everything included in it. As it made sense to consolidate all stats and views and growth into one channel etc. But I haven't been really concerned with that for a long time now, and separate channels are really working for Youtubers these days, myself included.I added EEVblog2 for the extra "dump" content of random stuff, and that's been very popular.Then I added EEVdiscover because I had the plan to make more site visit videos (that's still on the cards BTW, Rode factory tour lined up). 20k people subbed to that.I thought about have EEVacademy but decided to trial having that content on the main channel.The problem with a "broad interest" channel like mine that does a large variety of content is that most people will see a lot of content that they didn't subscribe for.From my survey earlier this year only 32% said they watch every video regardless. So that's 68% of potentially unhappy subscribers with every video I upload.There wasn't a single type of video that had over 60% of people agree that they enjoyed that content.So my question is in three parts:1) should I split up content into more channels?e.g. (just examples, I'm not necessarily suggesting all these)EEVmailbagEEVreviewsEEVblab (EEVrant/EEVopinion ?)EEVacademy (EEVtutorial ?)EEVliveEEVvintageEEVteardownsetc2) If so, what channels would you like to see split off, and what name should they have?3) Is more channels, what content should stay on the main EEVblog channel?Thanks.BTW, if I went with more new channel I'd copy over existing content to "seed" the channel.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 10:47:56 am
content: I voted 'keep it as it is'. I think it is good to show people content which they are not interested in initially. It might spark some new ideas. My reasoning: IMHO the forum is a bit too fragmented as well with too many section. I'm only looking in a few sections but I'm sure there are interesting topics in other section which I'm not aware off.

author: Towger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 10:48:40 am
content: Keep it as is, unless you are going to (hire staff etc) to dramatically increase your output. If you want to easly designate different content use the title. Ie , ,  etc

author: Echo88
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 10:53:24 am
content: Its perfect as it is. Splitting everything up would lead to way less videos per channel and might also make some subscribers unhappy.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 11:17:53 am
content: Perfect as it is, and worry you might lose the focus as the diversified channels probably will consume you, negatively.Like switching loses high vs low freq. at switching power supply, silly analogy of course.My 2 1/4 watt resistors worth.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 11:27:38 am
content: I voted for more channels. But, as usual, advantages and disadvantages.Since there isn't any better way to categorize videos on YT, separate channels for mailbag, teardowns, tutorials, etc. would make it convenient to identify content.OTOH, it would make the different channels to appear "thinner" with the content Balkanized into different places.Looking forward to tour of Rode.It would be great to see inside Blackmagic Design, also.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 11:40:42 am
content: I like the current situation.. The main channel, with channel 2 for extras an more unrelated stuff and EEVDiscover for the outdoor

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 11:41:29 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amHardy surprising.As you try to cater for such a large audience there's no chance you can produce such a wide range of content that all viewers will watch everything you do.The topic/content title is our first filter and if we're interested, we'll watch. It's that simple.Personally I'd rather have on a single list so not to miss any of interest.Further support for status quo.

author: BBBbbb
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 11:47:11 am
content: Since I just open the subscriptions section on YT and browse what's new and interesting, and don't pay attention to what channel it is, it really makes no difference to me if Dave's content is under one channel or 10.

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 11:50:43 am
content: I would suggest keeping it as is. Main channel for normal episodes, side channel for unpolished work.The ratio you've posted is just what it is. Can't please everyone. I think 30/70 roughly is already pretty good considering how many kind of electronics there is, people interests and backgrounds, types of videos etc. People always have the option to not watch it. The title and thumbnail clearly if it's a teardown, review, mailbag, design video or repair.I also don't like split up channels simply because it makes new content harder to find. Does a user have to sub to 10 different channels or potentially visit 10 channels to check for content? What if you decide to add a new channel, will that segment it even more?

author: Towger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 12:02:18 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on September 09, 2018, 11:27:38 amAgreed, they produce some great equipment. But, Dave seems to have a 'thing' about them.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 12:09:18 pm
content: Quote from: Towger on September 09, 2018, 12:02:18 pmAnd what "thing" would that be?I've been told by someone in the know that they are very secretive about their design and manufacturing facility and likely would not grant a tour, so I haven't bothered asking. Also, they are in Melbourne.

author: JustMeHere
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 12:19:01 pm
content: More channels = more clicks or searches. KISS.

author: voltlog
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 12:28:49 pm
content: I like the current setup, if I open a video and the content is not my thing I just move on to the next one.I don't watch content as soon as it's uploaded, unless it is a very interesting subject, otherwise I usually catch up when I have a "free time window" so to me it seems like a two channel solution works. One main channel and a secondary one for uploading random stuff.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 12:33:06 pm
content: I think having multiple channels would lead to "dilution" and confusion. With one channel, people see sub notifications and decide whether to watch or not. Would people bother subbing seperately to multiple channels ?As long as video titles are clear I'm not sure what the benefit would be from splitting any more than the main and sub channels as it is now

author: Peabody
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 01:09:06 pm
content: Full disclosure: I'm a downloader, not a subscriber. More channels just means more places I have to check for new content. More trouble. No benefit. As it is, I check two channels. I didn't know about Academy/Discover. Not sure why I didn't know. Anyway, I vote to leave as is.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 01:11:43 pm
content: Dave, you aren't producing that many videos for such extensive split to make much sense. Don't over-organize - just tag/title the videos so that it is easy to find (or skip if not interested in some type of content) and be done with it. It is better to spend time on making quality content than on organizing and having 20+ channels with one or two videos in most.It may also dilute your viewership and cause issues with monetization if you don't get enough views on them.I think the current setup is fine, I wouldn't mind even if all videos were on the main channel.

author: lacek
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 01:26:52 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amGreat idea it was IMHO.For the rest I can summarize what follows asseparate channel is a good idea if: 1) it has content of a different style AND 2) it has a specific focus (say explaining basics, reviews...) AND 3) you are able to populate it frequently enough: once per week is a miniumumQuote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amI am not convinced it needed to be on a separate channel, but as long as it hosts not only electronics (such as voyager stuff) it is a fine idea to keep it separate. If you visit Intel HQ, then please make a redacted version for a main channel as well.Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amTo make it a separate channel, you would need much more content. Say once per week in a planned fashion. With the quantity you have now it is perfectly fine on the main channel. You have also playlists....Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amCurrent system of putting a "keyword" such as EEVacademy, mailbag into the prominent place of the video title works just fine.Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amI skip some videos, but it does not make me unhappy.Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amOnly if you plan to substantially increase the quantity of the videos.Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amThis could be separate, but:- currently your reviews are "spontaneous"/"first impressions" to some degree. It fits nicely with the main channel EEVBlog style.- I see a place for more "extensive" reviews, akin to Linux Tech Tips style of electronic equipment - more prepared, more benchmarks, more systematic, more... but this would have to be separate, indepedent serious actvitiy, most likely requiring hiring new people. For example comparing signal generators, osciloscopes, multimeters of several brands. Quick justification: sub $50, sub $100 multimeters videos are out of date by how.Actually it is similar to all channels: to make "more specialist" channels you need to have much more "specialist" content, which you will be unable to provide yourself. You need a larger team.Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amAre you able find a topic to blab about every week?Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amYes, but only if you plan to make a systematic course in say "practical electronics" say "Soldering BGA's...", "Programming Mictrocontrollers", "Schmidt triggers for newbies" - this sort of videos.Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amLouis Rossmann has a shop and he can make live videos about his clients, projects, screwups, "right of repair" stuff. You don't have a company that deals with clients/politics every day. I am afraid that unless I am missing something, it will be difficult to fill this channel with content.Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amthese fit nicely on the main channel.

author: Bear207
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 01:55:09 pm
content: Agree with keeping current configuration and possibly adding a title tag as previously suggested MAILBAG, REPAIR, 2MT "2 Minute Teardown", Etc.Honestly not that difficult to scan your content and decide if I wish to view or not. Nice to see videos I would not have found otherwise too.Thank you for your efforts

author: drussell
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 02:05:20 pm
content: I strongly preferonesingle channel and the use of playlists, etc. rather than multiple channels.edit:Quote from: EEVblog on September 09, 2018, 10:40:30 amGood god, please don't do that!!I don't want to start getting recommended videos from a each new EEVblog channel for videos I've already watched. I would likely end up just having to block all those new channels with the "Not Interested -> Don't show this channel" option to make it stop spamming every place YouTube jams recommended videos. That would mean potentially often missing things I might actually really want to watch. I certainly don't want to have to scan 30 different EEVblog channels for something. Having EEVblog2 is annoying enough already, IMHO.Also, +1 for better title tags.

author: joeqsmith
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 02:14:48 pm
content: I voted for everything in a single channel but I could see people not wanting to see much of what is posted on the 2.

author: VEGETA
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 02:17:51 pm
content: One channel only but return to do the old content.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 02:38:25 pm
content: I voted for the status quo of mixed channels. With Youtube's merry-go-round of missed subscriber notifications and dropped "recommended videos" from a user's main page (à guise of "experimenting a new algorithm), having all in the same channel will certainly help minimize missed videos from your audience.One idea that I tend to use in my small channel: I preface the name of my videos differently: something you did as EEVBlog ### or EEVBlab ### and so on. This can help people figure out from the beginning if the video covers something they are interested.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 02:53:15 pm
content: I'm not against having channels with some commonality - but the danger is to go too far and have a plethora of channels that spread your audience too thin. Further, that publishing enough material to maintain interest in all of those channels will turn into a life-sucking exercise - the realistic outcome being reduced frequency and, thus, increased disinterest through people getting jaded waiting for material to be published.The existing structure works for me - and I don't think any departure from it should be too dramatic or you will be making a rod for your back, Dave.Besides, there is nothing wrong with a bit of diversity. Keeping focussed on a single theme denies the viewer of the opportunity to be exposed to a variety of subjects - something YouTube does at the end of every video. I know I've started watching something of Dave's that I might not have made the effort to find, but enjoyed the material enough to watch it to the end ... and I learned something.That's not to say I watch every video of Dave's. There have been a couple that I've bailed out before the end - but I usually give each one a chance.

author: analogo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 02:56:10 pm
content: Quote from: drussell on September 09, 2018, 02:05:20 pmLet's quote drussell: Avoid multiple channels and use playlists.There are many content-filled channels that do a good job of keeping their playlists in order and use them as mini-channels. It is the best compromise IMO.

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 03:03:34 pm
content: My strong preference would also be to keep it at it is, EEVblog for main content, with EEVblog2 for extra/minor stuff.Just prefix the video title with the 'class' of video like: <EEVclass> <counter> <Catchy title> and obviously create a playlist for each video class for archival/retrieval purposes.IMHO, additional channels would be ok if you would further extend to other non-electronic domains (a bit like with EEVdiscover), or if you'd get some assistant to show up regularly in the video (or perhaps if there would be enough material for a EEVsagansays channel)

author: MeneGR
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 03:12:01 pm
content: My opinion: Less channels are better, but don't put all your eggs in one basket, you know how Youtube can be. We're perfect as it is now.(I may be a newbie here, but I'm a frequent watcher).

author: Gary350z
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 03:27:22 pm
content: Do not add more channels. Keep it the way it is.I watch using Apple TV. I am subscribed to all your channels, all new videos appear at the top of the screen regardless of the channel. I watch what I want (almost all of them).You currently have three channels. If I need to search for a particular video, I have to do three searches; one for each channel, which is three times more work than if you only had one channel. If you add a lot of channels it will be hard to find a particular video that I'm looking for, and I may not find it, which is bad for me and bad for you. Playlists are good, but most YouTube channel playlists are broken (not necessarily EEVblog) because they are not kept up to date.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 03:32:37 pm
content: I'm going to vote for "keep it all in one channel" with no real understanding of the processes involved.I have a lot of excuses for not subscribing to channels and, as a result, if the video doesn't show up on the front page of EEVblog.com, I'll never see it. None of the excuses are very good BTW, Old age, I suppose...My favorites are "Fundamental Fridays" and "Reviews".

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 07:45:26 pm
content: Dave, what's the justification for changing from the status quo ?In another thread you mentioned little care now for the income from YT.Is this as a result of YT having shifted the goal posts WRT the income stream produced ?So would the changes you've proposed change the dynamics of your income stream for better....or worse ?Cynically one might look back now and think they were padding their returns in preparation to sell to Google or have I got that timeline wrong ?Wrong assumption.

author: steve30
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 07:59:36 pm
content: I think any more channels would just make it confusing.

author: onesixright
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 08:02:47 pm
content: Hi Dave,Let me start saying I'm not a subscriber to your channel, any channel for that matter. Not sure if you considered those people? I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for all the content and the platform you give us! Thank youI have your channel bookmarked and once a while I just look what you all added and cherry pick what I would think is interesting. And if not that, I search (google) for topics (and often) just add 'eevblog'.That said, I think multiple channels is not a bad plan. You also have playlists, which is a bit of a mix of the both. If you would consider multiple channels I would suggest:- practical- theoretical- other--16R

author: drussell
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 08:09:16 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on September 09, 2018, 07:45:26 pmYouTube has been owned by Google for a very long time. Like 2006 long...

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 08:16:41 pm
content: I'm not sure I understand the benefit of splitting up the channel. You'll never make everyone happy with every video and that's not changing by splitting things up.I never quite got the difference between the existing channels either. Every time I thought I saw a distinction, a video I expected in one place appeared elsewhere. I now guess it's more of a difference on the production side rather than the subject or category.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 08:24:23 pm
content: I hold the minority opinion but I would like to see a separation of scientific/industrial equipment used for measurement/process control and consumer equipment like computers, copiers, crypto wallets, calculators, etc.But your volume is low enough that it does not actually bother me, there is not that much sorting I need to do. I think you need alot more video volume to justify any more micromanagement.The youtube format is horrible for organization anyway.

author: Terry01
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 08:34:26 pm
content: I am still very new to electronics so from a "beginners" point of view I would love to have a separate academy/tutorial channel but i also agree with others that it may dilute the already great channels you have going now. Even the stuff that is way over my head is still great viewing and i always learn something of value even if i don't understand everything in the video. It sometimes inspires me to go and learn something new also which is good.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 09:17:27 pm
content: Quote from: JustMeHere on September 09, 2018, 12:19:01 pmAgreed. Also more troublesome to maintain.I've been of the view for a long time there should be one EEVblog channel and that's it. It also means just one channel we need to keep an eye on (and some of us don't log in or subscribe to anything on Youtube).Split content up by playlists if needed, but keep everything together. The "main" videos should have episode numbers, the extra content doesn't need to.

author: malagas_on_fire
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2018, 10:51:03 pm
content: I like the way it is and maybe more channels would cause some sort of fragmentation and more time to manage.Keep the formula going well.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 12:09:38 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on September 09, 2018, 09:17:27 pmWhat about the useless behind the scenes stuff, single take things, things unrelated to electronics etc?I can't put everything on my main channel.Take the Electronex show for example, I have maybe half dozen different short snippets that aren't particularly high quality. Am I supposed to dump all these videos on the main EEVblog channel?I've been taken to task before for "flooding" my main channel withpolished on-topic content, let alone poor quality content.What should I do in that case, try and "polish a turd"?, or simply not upload content that many people would otherwise find useful?Should I just one big massive Electronex show video with everything included, or should the video be separated out so people can find them and watch just the content they like. e.g. me playing with Tek series 5 scope on the stand, or playing with the Suba engineering microscope.To me this is the reason EEVblog2 exists, and to take away that platform and upload it all to my main channel I think would be a big mistake.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 12:19:16 am
content: RESULTOk, it's obvious there is no point making more channel, and that's the result I expected, but I thought I'd ask anyway.EEVblog2 has to stay for many good reasons, that's not going to change.Now the question is, what should I do with EEVdiscover material and some of the more popular EEVblog2 material?Perhaps this needs a separate poll?Should material like those tours videos like the Voyager 2 videos, the Cyclotron tour, the TV transmitter tour etc.i.e. What I'm really asking is should the main channel containmorebroad content? Or should it be strictly electronics focused?Should I abandon EEVdiscover and just upload that content to EEVblog main?Also, I know it's easy with hindsight, but what about my popular EEVblog2 videos likes these ones, should they have been on the main EEVblog channel?It's the age old question of "is this video main channel worthy"?

author: Tomorokoshi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 12:33:08 am
content: I'm a bit late to the party.One comparison is with this Forum. The Forum is split into various "Channels" (Electronics, Products, General, ...), each of which has various sub-channels (Beginners, Test Equipment, General Chat), within which are all the topics.At the Channels level of the forum there are clear cases where "multiple inheritance" would apply: for instance, does a beginner's question about precise current measurement go in "Beginners", "Metrology", or "Test Equipment"? Many topics can have this issue, and many videos would have this issue as well. An attempt to over-categorize the videos, many of which are quite broad in range by necessity, would make it too easy to miss interesting topics.If anything, perhaps it's time to rearrange the Forum channels again. Perhaps put the "EEVBlog" forum channel on top, and ask a similar set of questions like a few years ago when it was last rearranged.

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 12:33:44 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2018, 12:09:38 amI agree with this. I have EEVBlog2 bookmarked and I glance to see if anything is of interest and watch if so, otherwise, I have not subscribed to ___2. As for the other one, I never check it, not of interest at all.As in the survey from last year(?), my fav is mailbag (need more of these) and I like to see some of the tutorials (you no longer call them fundamentals), and teardowns (depending on what is being torn down) and lastly, the troubleshoot and repair videos (IMO, not enough of this is done).But, as I always say in this case, this is your platform, do what you would like to do. I am just along for the ride (SHOTGUN!).Just my 2 cents...

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 12:46:23 am
content: Quote from: joeqsmith on September 09, 2018, 02:14:48 pmAs Joe sort of touched upon earlier, I was always under the impression that the second channel being EEVblog 2 would be for non electronics related content, for some reason leggo and train sets come to mind which goes to show how we can easily perceive things incorrectly.After looking at the list of EEVblog 2 videos again starting from the earliest it is the electronics related stuff which makes up the majority of the channel. One thing I don't get is when a video is done on the primary channel and then a follow up video in relation to the same thing is done on the second channel as was the case with the recent soldering iron videos.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 12:57:20 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on September 10, 2018, 12:46:23 amThe 2nd channel was originally for "non-polished" content, i.e. stuff that I either didn't edit, or I didn't put the same effort I otherwise would have for a main channel videos, hence why it's mostly electronics/blog related.And then when do the occasional off-topic stuff that's the obvious place to dump it as well.A good example of this would be as I said that Suba microscope video, and a Tek 5 series scope video I have from the show. Both are of great interest to my main channel audience, but they are literally me walking up to the show stand and just having a few minutes play and giving some opinion. It's pretty terrible stuff from an content point of view, it's certainly not a review and almost certainly has bunch of stuff wrong or missing. I can imagine the howls of complaints if I uploaded them on the main channel and tried to push them as main channel content, even if they are not a numbered video. Yet as always there will be many who find the content useful in it's own way. The main channel has that expectation of at least decent quality content.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 01:10:35 am
content: Well keep your "polished" content in the main channel (arguably quite a bit of the stuff in EEVblog2 can go over there as well as it's still pretty well put together), and keep all your snippets etc... in EEVblogRAW or something?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 01:22:53 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on September 10, 2018, 01:10:35 amYes, much of the EEVblog2 content is pretty decent, like this next page of most popular videos contains three debunking videos, and a polished video from David2 on C/C++Would people have preferred these on EEVblog Main?The problem has been there is "polished" content and "semi-polished" in terms of effort put into it. e.g. those three debunking videos were not fully researched and kinda just thrown together.

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 01:46:26 am
content: With regard to what others have said regarding playlists being a good way for viewers to watch only the kind of content they're interested in, I have long wished that YouTube would let you subscribe to specific playlists within a channel. There are a few channels in my YouTube subscription list that I subscribe to because they have (in effect or specifically) sub-series I want to watch, but I'm not particularly interested in anything else on the channel. Being able to subscribe to only some of their playlists would be great.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 02:22:00 am
content: Quote from: HwAoRrDk on September 10, 2018, 01:46:26 amYep, agreed.

author: Eka
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 02:46:30 am
content: I say put a key word right at the beginning of the title. Mailbag, Reviews, Quick Review, Opinion, etc.Having videos on topics I don't care about doesn't put me off at all. Mistitled stuff is the type of thing that would cause ire. Yeah, I don't watch everything, but then I don't have time to watch everything I'd want to.

author: Johnboy
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 03:07:21 am
content: Simplicity is always a good rule of thumb. It makes sense to me to keep the number of individual channels as low as possible. As an example: if there is a particular video of potential interest to someone else during a given conversation who may have never seen one of your videos before, there's a difference between saying "hang on a second while I share how Dave Jones finessed this particular topic" and "I'll get back to you tomorrow, I don't remember which of his channels that video is on and I don't feel like doing four independent searches right now-- I'll just have to look it up later."

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 03:14:01 am
content: OK, good example, this new video:It's not really strictly electronics related, but has relevance to fibre optics which are discussed a bit, and I put work into editing this so it's "polished" as well as it can be. And I think it has potentially broad appeal to engineers. So does this video go on EEVblog main (unnumbeed or not?) or EEVblog2?

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 03:16:05 am
content: Id rather just one channel; provided its labeled well, what it is. I already decide what i want to watch in the first channel. All thats happened is now its split between two channels. I dont' watch everythig.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 03:44:19 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2018, 03:14:01 amInteresting result so far, most people want it on the main channel:

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 04:11:32 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2018, 03:44:19 amLikewise !Only watched a couple of minutes then popped to ~1/2 way and the content is such I'll be watching it completely later. Good stuff !

author: voltlog
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 04:34:59 am
content: If a video on eevblog2 is popular it doesn't mean it should be on the main channel because I think the idea with the main channel is to keep things focused. A popular video from eevblog2 might not be as popular for the people subscribed only to the main channel as they expect something else to be published here.

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 05:14:41 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2018, 03:14:01 amI don't know how much material do you think you have for the EEVDiscover channel, but if you'd consider it as "polished scientific non-stricly-electronics contents" channel, I'd put that video there.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 05:23:44 am
content: I vote for everything in one. If there's some more "raw" stuff that people may be less interested in (like say a multi hour unedited stream or something) then they simply don't watch it.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 05:26:08 am
content: Seems like it would dilute things more, yeah. Also, the rate of new videos is kind of slow these days, seems like it wouldn't be the best time to split things up more, at least right now.If you're hiring more creators, to have, like, EEVBlog-sponsored, influenced, spin-off, whatever channels, that would be a good idea though. Like VSauce / VSauce2 / VSauce3, that have individual creators and styles.Tim

author: mrpackethead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 05:32:03 am
content: As i thought about this, i release it doe'stn matter to me.. so i'm now a "dont care"The videos turn up in my subscruiption ( from what ever channel ) and i choose if i watch them or not ).. I'm subscribed to all the eevblog channels, and i dont' really differentiate between them. its all dave talking about stuff.If its boring to me. i shut dave up. If its interesting, i listen.

author: Pedram
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 06:08:26 am
content: unfortunately this forum is not the best place to take votes, because most people here are geeks!!.if you want to expand channel to general engineersI think you should hire a (maybe professional) video editortake a look at "Linus Tech Tips", "Smarter Everyday" and "Veritasium" formats.most of their videos are less than 15 minutes and also they are heavily edited. no shaky camera, no built-in mic, no single takes. lots of voice-overs, no unnecessary camera movement, etc etc ...currently EEVBlog is great for electronic engineers but it's just too boring for less-experienced engineers and non-engineers

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 07:37:09 am
content: I think you already nailed the optimum by sorting the various sections in playlists instead of only serving one-sided niche content. Who wants to watch a bunch of fundamentals videos can do so without the need to subscribe to another channel - of which the recommendations will vanish in the mass if only updated a fraction of EEVBlogs usual update rate. It would make sense if you could magically produce much more videos per week.Of course I´d rather believe in the steadily expanding collection of content that can be referred to than trying to get to the latest hype content which is outdated after a short while, so from a content point of view those channels would be filled with interesting stuff from the start, but it´s the update rate (x content quality) that gets new viewers. Not that hype is bad, but the mix ensures a wide range of audience and also keeps it interesting. Trying out new stuff once in a while isn´t actually pushing people to unsubscribe, right?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 07:54:22 am
content: Quote from: Pedram on September 10, 2018, 06:08:26 amThat person would have to know electronics at least as good as I do in order pick up mistakes, know what things to leave out or what extra things need to be included.I've explaiend this many times, so won't go into detail again, sufice it to say that I'm much better off editing my own content.QuoteHas an entire team of dozens of people working full time for him.QuoteBoth only produce a couple of videos a month, tops.QuoteBecause they have to appeal to a general mass audience. Electronics will never be general mass appeal.QuoteMy video have none of that.QuoteWrong. About half of my audience is students, graduates and hobbyists who aren't very experienced.

author: screwbreaker
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 09:02:36 am
content: Quote from: Pedram on September 10, 2018, 06:08:26 amNot true. I'm not an engineer, I'm far far away from this, I'm just a beginner. But I really like the EEVBlog video format. They are so natural, it's clear they are made from someone who really know and like what he do.I really hate too short videos or too much edited videos, they always feel unrealistic and incomplete.Like modern TV shows, they are full of words but completely free of knowledge. That's why most people moved from TV to YT. Because the quality of the content was better.

author: Pedram
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 09:26:18 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2018, 07:54:22 amFair enough, but you have to start at some point.QuoteYes numbered videos are professional. but EEVblog2 videos aren't that polished (never meant to be). what i want to say is if you want to combine both channels you should spend more time on editing (which you don't have) , I might be wrong but i think you have to either hire someone or release videos less frequently.QuoteI was talking about second channel.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 09:32:56 am
content: Quote from: Pedram on September 10, 2018, 06:08:26 amYou got to be kidding, right? This guy often barely knows what he is talking about, makes a public ass out of himself when he talks about stuff he knows nothing about (and often even when he does ...) and has a large production team behind him. Furthermore, his stuff is not targeted to any engineers but mostly PC gamer kids. Really great example to choose ...Quote from: Pedram on September 10, 2018, 06:08:26 amThat's a general public/science popularization content, totally different thing. You can't exactly talk 30+ minutes about water in the sink spinning in one direction or another without putting everyone to sleep.Quote from: Pedram on September 10, 2018, 06:08:26 amThat's not in Dave's videos neither and apart from a few live shots outdoors (where it is unavoidable) I don't really know where did you see this. He also shows his video setup regularly, so you can clearly see what cameras and microphones is he using.Quote from: Pedram on September 10, 2018, 06:08:26 amI would say that it is completely normal - EEVBLOG isn't Netflix or cat videos, it is not about entertainment (unlike the 3 channels you have given as examples). If someone has an attention span of a toddler, it is going to be difficult to explain anything technical, no matter what you do.

author: Pedram
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 09:45:57 am
content: Quote from: janoc on September 10, 2018, 09:32:56 amMy entire post wast about editing. not the content

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 10:29:28 am
content: Quote from: Pedram on September 10, 2018, 09:26:18 amNo, I don't, because doing so will not add value to my channel.QuoteIt's not as easy as you think it is to just hire someone to do editing of technical electronics videos.I could go into the details on why doing so would actually be detrimental, but I've done that dozen times before.Suffice it to say that if I had someone do the editing it would take memoretime,andthe technical content would suffer.And I said it before, but I'll say it again, sometime (most times) you can't just polish a 2nd channel turd in editing, editing is not magic.QuoteI was talking about second channel.The 2nd channel is for random non-polished content were I don't care if anyone likes it or not.

author: bloguetronica
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2018, 10:30:38 am
content: Different playlists would probably do. Anyway, it is your channel, Dave. I have no say about it.Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

author: VK5RC
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 11, 2018, 01:03:18 am
content: I initially voted for one channel, can see the argument for at least two - one more 'polished' etcAs I don't watch all of the videos, for me sorting through one list is easier.I do enjoy the videos though. ThanksRob