Hey  Youtube:  We do love your products,  honestly.,  Lighten up the ADs !!! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2025, 07:59:31 pm
content: YouTube; You don't own the works of art, featured.We need a more moderate relationship, with the beloved things that Google and YouTube make available. But it's not your stuff, and some 'fair use' legal terms come to mind.'Course this has been more formally litigated and nauseum, but I'm just a little guy.It's only been 2 years, literally, since I could actually 'press Play' and, God Forbid, be able to maintain FOCUS, in absense of a health care profiteer's AD, wanting to sell me something.Re-argue FAIR USE here ? No, I don't have the stomach for lawyer stuff.It's just simply a song (Cream, 1968) and I'd pay for it,...under perhaps better relations with the market people.One idea is to get the copyrighted works owners to demand free ofree access, not chock full of exploitation dynamics.It's just one old, old fart, and one Live Concert !Often, that's a good advertising policy anyway.

author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2025, 09:55:47 pm
content: What you need is a VPN, connect to Russia. No ads.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2025, 11:02:37 pm
content: Choose one:- Pay for youtube premium- Use ublock origin

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2025, 11:07:40 pm
content: Thanks for the VPN suggestion.However, the tactic is one of contention....where the relationship is consumed by distrust and repressed Animus, at best.My best point to make, here, is to point out the relation, not being a'Media Brawl', or at least not packaged as an 'enemy vender', who promises a good fight, when you assert yourself.Kind of like contending with your own lawyer.Can you imagine a business, having bullet-proof legal positioning saying to you, the customer:"Don't even think of complaining,...we have a team of 37 attorneys.It's just heavy-handed, in addition to being tacky. (Business that are set up to quash any valid complaints.)

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2025, 11:23:08 pm
content: I might have to go and research the Fair Use argument, but not sure if Fair Use, for newspaper quotes, etc. has any contemporary review of YouTubers use of music, etc. as to the use when deciding which cd to buy.The heavier use, of course, is easy to agree on paying for it. TV show or a Movie isn't requesting you pay.Yes I know the royalties .might happen with the show producers, but there's no explicit billing listing such and such SONG.So, HOW did YouTube get through all those years, BEFORE interrupting with advertisements 3 X during the play ?P

author: u666sa
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 28, 2025, 11:30:25 pm
content: Look man, I know how annoying those ads can be.I crawled up a wall last summer when they started showing up for me. But switching countries with VPN does the trick really good. Armenia is another ads free country if I'm not mistaken.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2025, 12:02:30 am
content: Yo Dawg. So I herd you like "free" "content".Most of the bandwidth and storage that youtube provides it's "creators" (at no direct charge) is paid for by the ads (and premium subscriptions yes, but mostly ads and related data collection/sale).Lets say you have a successful channel that puts out weekly "content" and gets good viewership. You would likely have a heart attack if you got the direct bill for bandwidth and storage.Lets say you have no channel and just consume said "content". Once the "creator" of that content got done having a heart attack after seeing their monthly bandwidth and storage bill, they would either stop creating "content" or start putting it all behind a paywall to pay for that bill.Numbers:According to my best buddy ChatGPT one 30 minute 4K video is about 4.5GB. If that video gets 1Million views (great job "creator"!) and bandwidth is about $0.08/GB (typical AWS, Google Cloud, etc pricing. Yes I know google doesn't themselves pay that.) it cost Google $360K to distribute that "content".A more modest 100K views is still $36,000 and 10K views is $3,600. Would you make "content" if it cost you $3600 per 10K viewed video?Just as a PSA: Brave Browser out of the box shows zero Youtube ads without any VPN games.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2025, 01:50:14 am
content: Main question, is about the radical shift, because it ain't like it was operating even TWO years ago.What economic principal changed ?What factor CHANGED, so we see things today, vs. 2O22 ?

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2025, 03:08:01 am
content: Someone has to pay for all the servers and bandwidth at YouTube.I haven't seen an ad on YouTube for years. Plunk down $12/month and you won't either.Possibly the best $12 I spend each month.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2025, 03:26:51 am
content: Actually, while we are talking about Youtube ads...What happened to the world where "the algorithm" knows more about you than you do?The Youtube app on my TV, which I am certainly logged into so it knows who I am, routinely feeds me ads for strange stuff like aids and psoriasis medication (nether of which I have or have ever searched for). Sometimes it gives me ads in Spanish (which I don't speak). I watch a ton of test equipment, machining and outdoor type content and it never gives me ads for that stuff or anything related. I'm not in the market to buy a new truck, and those ads are routinely unskippable so they paid a bunch of extra money to keep asking me if I want to buy a truck. Same answer as last time. Nope.I guess we haven't quite got to the future yet.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2025, 09:55:07 pm
content: Quote from: Smokey on March 29, 2025, 12:02:30 amThat falls apart when $12 would only pay for about 33 views at that rate. I'd imagine the majority who would pay that every month would watch far more than just 33 videos in a month.What they should do is take a page from Steam and take advantage of P2P to offload the bandwidth usage especially for popular content. In return, the viewer should get fewer or no ads or a reduction in subscription fee if they pay for it. Bittorrent has proven itself to be very scalable for distributing large amounts of data for free.

author: osmax_br
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2025, 10:19:45 pm
content: Quote from: RJSV on March 28, 2025, 11:07:40 pmWhy to buy a vpn , I've been using YouTube without ADs for 14 years , I was actually shocked a few years ago when someone told me that YouTube is filled with ADs unless you pay a monthly feeYou could give us a visit here and you will save 13$ on premium monthlyBut seriously, apart from jokes , try proton vpn , I normally use it (free version) and it is superior to all other "free" vpns , or just Get the premuimAlso I remember that a friend of mine who lives in the KSA said that he pays 3$ monthly on premium, but I see people in the US complain about the "13$" they need to pay monthly , it seems that they have different price tags for different countries

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2025, 10:26:12 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on March 29, 2025, 09:55:07 pmI did say that Google probably doesn't charge themselves the average cloud services bandwidth rate.. but the subscription services are pretty obviously subsidized by the ad and data collection users who vastly outnumber the subscribers. Plus even if you have a subscription, they are still collecting data on what you watch and using that to target ads in other services and selling that data.While the VPN thing probably works, it pains me to think about DOUBLE the junk internet video traffic by bouncing GB around the world.

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2025, 01:27:26 am
content: Quote from: Smokey on March 29, 2025, 10:26:12 pmIt's also, like EVs, a "solution" that falls apart if a majority of people adopt it.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2025, 04:42:26 am
content: Quote from: brucehoult on March 30, 2025, 01:27:26 amCars in general are a "solution" that falls apart if a majority of people adopt it. Many big cities show a good example of that.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2025, 07:11:12 am
content: Yes, I was so pleased when the commuter train BART built the East Bay extension 2010, so I could dump my nice car.Some folks, like myself, just never 'take to a personal vehicle. A.D.D. diagnosis didn't add to my confidence, as a driver.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2025, 09:33:48 am
content: I got a better option, that is avoid youtube. I feel alot more productive since I got rid of my account and disabled tracking stuff.It's amazing how many plans and goals can slip you by if you just go on there. I think eventually it makes you not want to do stuff because you can see it done but really its not the same at all. I think I was avoiding alot of stuff and I think it basically makes you into something like a paper pusher with distorted theoretical knowledge on how hard or easy certain things are. It's like being stuck in a really bootleg holo deck but you are not on the enterprise... Like how much of my life do I want to spend with people moving/thinking for me?I mean unless you want something specific (and the advertisements are still bogus). I just meant generally browsing. I started to feel like a mega droneLike i was watching some kinda video game stuff and I realized why not just get all these games and beat them instead of watching someone do it, so I did, if I kept watching I would probably feel like its 'solved' but all it did is rob me of the experience. And I am not sure if actually makes you less lonely, because in the end you will find that talking about doing stuff you did is like more rewarding then talking about stuff you watched.. I think the conversations and social stuff ends up being more meaningful that way.On the technical side, there seems to be a bit of a echo chamber effect going on too... it ends up guiding you to a pretty small set of solutions... despite a infinite number of real possibilities. Maybe it just means I was relaxing too much?Like if I am getting that tired that watching youtube is the best thing to do.. sounds like a change might be warrentedNotice if you do something that you saw on youtube yourself, you actually notice its mega glossed over and you get totally different ideas then if you just watch a video?and I kinda noticed like OK if i am watching some guy with a bread board or prototype, its like.. after ten years, I basically replicated zero experiments they do to find out for myself, I take it at face value. The more you watch the less you do. Though, it does seem to be indispensable for some stuff, like advice on say electroplating, things that really turn into a giant expensive mess DO deserve to be researched on youtube, particularly if its more then just screwing something together*. But regardless I think I have a really strong point about the idea that you should develop your interests by yourself instead of having like a crazy ass guide on how to run everything you do. But how many hours of shit do you need to scan to get some 'lessons learned'?*but even so, true learning might be when you have to figure out how to interface the wrong thing or hit a book before you waste something expensive... if you avoid all the 'traps' you won't learn, and you really don't know if its as bad as some people say.. you might just find a solution, despite all the warnings about something being 'incorrect'.... you really have very few indicators of what someones guidelines are for doing a project, or their goals, framework of thinking, etc... it might be totally different then yours.. and your own intuition might make it work better then what results people say you will get.... you are not the person narrating the video...Only other advice I can give is to avoid reading the paper endlessly if your trying to get off youtube.Any any kind of current events analysis on there is weaponized flaming garbage right now lol.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2025, 10:14:03 am
content: Wow, coppercone2 ! I hadn't realized the depth of your thinking this out.Nice, and I got lucky, tuning in just a few minutes after your post. Hmm, synchronicity, if I may, dare to bring up a somewhat 'advanced' concept. It will take an hour to read through (I skimmed the reply.I have a broken smart phone to replace, and have to prioritize that. Have to log out everything's me, as I don't wish to have to attempt doing a Log In, from an as-yet new phone, as that would be flagged.Might be moving to the big island, and meanwhile a tragic turn (cancer) has struck one of my pups...very sad !Might be a spell, so please expect delay, but I will be thinking of my next, replyForum needs a Guitar enthusiast section !- - Rick Bastian

author: osmax_br
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2025, 10:24:57 am
content: Quote from: RJSV on March 30, 2025, 10:14:03 amFor your broken smartphone screen , you can buy a cheap keyboard for 5-10$ new , get an otg adapter , connect the keyboard to your smartphone via the otg adapter and congratulations, you dont need to bother with the broken screen and you have a way to type faster than using the on screen keyboardIf you can afford paying 25$ I really suggest getting a wireless mechanical keyboard from aliexpress, you dont need to get an otg adapterIf your smartphone is old and you can't find replacement screen in the US , go to AliExpress, search for your mobile edition, you will find very cheap screens , my phone is 5 years old , didn't find a cheap replacement screen in Damascus, however I found it for 16-25$ on AliExpressYou just need to pay a technician to replace it for you

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2025, 10:35:07 am
content: that falls under the youtube exception, but in this case its a tiny expensive mess then a giant one lol.. little miniature poorly made booby trapped assembly puzzle that is a cell phone

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2025, 07:10:55 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on March 28, 2025, 11:02:37 pmDoes ublock have a way to circumvent Youtube ads? It looks like Adblockplus has given up on trying to block Youtube ads.Edit: just installed ublock origin and it seems to work like a charm

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 01, 2025, 08:28:53 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on April 01, 2025, 07:10:55 pmIndeed, AdblockPlus doesn't block sh*t anymore on YT - that's recent, just began today apparently (although as always, YT may be rolling out changes progressively so not all regions may be affected yet).AdblockPlus had already been letting a couple seconds of Ads slip, for a while (whereas it used to block them entirely in the past). I don't know if AdblockPlus is just clearly "inferior" to Ublock in the way it operates, or if AdblockPlus may just have some gentleman "agreement" with YT, so that YT lets them provide their services without the risk of lawsuit, in exchange for being "mild" with ad blocking on YT videos. Just a thought considering what's been happening with ABP over the last few months and also the way they communicate officially on the topic.

author: 807
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 02, 2025, 11:33:27 am
content: Adblock Plus was working pretty well up till yesterday. Before that it would only show a few seconds of ads, without sound, before being able to skip. But now it is showing the full ads. Hopefully Adblock Plus will update soon.

author: dzwer
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2025, 07:33:04 am
content: My set-up for YouTube without ads on the PC(Windows 10):- Browser: Google Chrome.- Ad blockers: Adblock Plus and Ghostery.- Logged-in in the browser with my Google account, which leads to be logged-in in YouTube too.I don't see a single ad, also no delays in starting videos.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2025, 09:31:30 am
content: It seems like Youtube is adding advertisements progressively. In the beginning you get none but after a day or two the crap hits the fan.