Firefox 97.0 wtf video - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 07:02:17 pm
content: Just updated to Firefox 97.0. Was greeted with an update page (as usual with a 'major version' update), but it has a freaking video on it. The video is a WTF pile of crap (IMHO).OTOH, pretty much unable to figure out what was possibly new in this new 'major () version'.But maybe I'm the only one having a problem with this video (and with the absolutely mind-boggingly stupid versioning scheme, which is yet another story)... What do you guys think?

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 07:51:28 pm
content: Joke: Was the dialogue/video also followed by a large dimming overlay too?

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 08:43:59 pm
content: Nobody seems to be interested in providing Tools anymore; they want you to use their Product instead.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 08:58:42 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 08, 2022, 08:43:59 pmYeah, and I guess web browsers are particularly prone to that, due to the fact they are - still - a major tool for conveying "information" to people.But that is sad.And yeah, the question of web browsers pops up frequently, and I still haven't found anything that really matches Firefox - for my own use and criterions - so I stick to it for now...

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 10:12:52 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 08, 2022, 07:02:17 pm1. make browser vendors liable for all unpatched vulnerabilites in IE 6.0, Firefox 1.5 and so on2. once they finally fix their shit, ban all browsers released past 2010 (or was it 2005 when it went to shit?)3. bring back flash - I would rather have it as an optional plugin than part of HTML itself4. nuke all of America so that the mistakes are not repeated too soonDid I miss something important?

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 10:26:03 pm
content: .

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2022, 11:34:17 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 08, 2022, 08:43:59 pmReality is that tools don't make money when given away for free.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2022, 03:56:00 am
content: Do you mean these tools that were depreciated/removed from 67+?https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Deprecated_toolsQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI see Palemoon still has them except for WebIDE which doesn't seem present above but not sure if they are broke or maintained for the above issues.Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on February 08, 2022, 11:34:17 pmInteresting you mean they may be merging/removing and depreciating stuff that they themselves may still be usingdespite what they say aboveso they can make more money or for some other similar motive?

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2022, 09:14:07 am
content: Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on February 08, 2022, 11:34:17 pmWhy should tools 'make money' in the first place? Seriously.A huge part of the internet infrastructure and high-performance computing world is built with tools given away for free: Linux kernel and Linux distributions like Debian and old RHEL; GNU development tools like GCC, GNU C library, Make, Autotools, etc.; server software projects like Apache and Nginx; programming language projects like Perl, PHP, Python, and Ruby; and so on. Even Wikipedia, if you consider it a tool.If those tools weren't free, the world today would look very, very different.As time progresses, an increasing number of these want to convert their popularity into profits, turning themselves from tools into profit-making Products.This is a problem.RHEL used to bethechoice on the server side, but was turned into a product, making it (and its derivatives like CentOS and ScientificLinux) much less useful. Indeed, both ScientificLinux and CentOS have been discontinued. Things like appliances are not built on top of the existing Linux distributions and knowledge; their firmware is shoddily cobbled together by commercial teams that produce a productized fork they maintain for a year or two if at all, then abandon, leaving the users of the appliances at risk of exploitation, forcing them to 'upgrade' to newer hardware. Which of course acts as planned obsolescence, and is a desirable feature in a product for the vendors.Just because the tools are free, do not mean they do not needsupport.I have always supported the tools I use by contributing development and bugfixing time. It would be even better for organizations to examine their free tool use, and occasionally provide grants to projects that maintain the most useful tools. This has nothing to do with ethics, and everything to do with pure self-interest: if the continued existence of a tool is in your own interest, ensuring its maintenance and further development via grants, bugfix bounties, or hardware donations is in your own interest.Those without significant financial means, can instead contribute time, for example in translations, documentation, or development. Those with financial means, should put their money where they get the most out of itin the long term.The underlying problem is that many humans really cannot understandthe economics of common goods; they only understand products and market economy. We can see this well in e.g. air quality: since everybody needs to breathe air, and nobody has to pay for breathing air, people are demandingothersfix the air quality issues (pollution and whatnot), instead of doing something themselves first. Yet, air is a common good, and pure self-interest should dictate that every single self-aware individual maintains the common goods they rely on.Key point is that althoughTANSTAAFLis absolutely true, it does not mean that paying up front for things and making everything a Product is the way to go. It only means everything has a cost, even if it is voluntary (as in the case of common goods and free/open software). As your reliance on a specific free good grows, its importance to you grows, so it makes a lot of sense to use some resources to bolster that free good you rely on.It really is very simple. It is just that most humans have been successfully programmed to think solely in terms of Products, because that way Marketing is an effective tool to part a fool from his money and resources. Pooling resources to bolster a shared (free) common good is not communism/socialism –– no matter how badly Marketing wants to label it as such ––, and is just a rational, efficient way to maintain common goods.

author: PKTKS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2022, 11:57:47 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 09, 2022, 09:14:07 amAbsolute true..Truth isthe internetis beingprivatizedby huge pockets corps.Fairly easy to see:- FTP is no more..oldstuff needs to be washed out byDrive X,Y,Z- Chat and gazillion protocols (IRC etal) areoldthey need the fubar applets- All evil TCP/IP free stack is insecure and needproprietary protocolsand proprietary chips- So... browsing stuff should be different ?No way. A browser MUST be a proprietary applet and the image render on all gizmos ("TVs" pocket cells outdoor midia adverts..)mustbe property of some group... partners alike.The vertical control of "mainstream desktop" started by late 80s with a single supervisor implementing strict control over all resources.. OS/2 was the first mass product doing that.Followed by early 90sversionsof the desktop property MS buz..X86 (succeeded by XOrg) was the unique alternative to put a degree of freedom on what you can see and display ... and is being privatized as well..Just see how "the remote desktop" protocol is now a property and no longer a plain tool very simple made by XOrg..Without demolishing the whole thing the privatized media will not continue the 90s mainstream buz... as soon as the computer display requiresONLYproprietary drivers to function..the whole stack is again privatized by huge pockets..Whatnewthis single supervising enforcement daemon from the 80s/90s brings?Nothing .. is the replay of the same thing ..again.. this time made on top ofmodern toolsWhat else to expect..same people same game same buz.they are just using what they are forced to do now...so the whole alternative must look old insecure.. ugly and non functional..Anyone can see that easily by demolishing all nix best practices..AKA.. remove the tools.make them products..OURcorp. (fill blank) products.Paul

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2022, 09:12:24 pm
content: I created an account on Palemoon long ago but it got closed due to inactivity as I wanted to start a thread to see if I can get some help on seeing it is possible to port or make some extension that I like that is only available on new Firefox/Chrome to Palemoon.Reading a few subjects I found something about Firefox doing Cryptocurrency a founder is not pleased about it:https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=27765Quotehttps://twitter.com/jwz/status/1478022085737803776QuoteQuoteQuoteIs there anything with that or the way they are doing it?Seeing his website he did work on the browser in 1998:https://www.jwz.org/about.htmlQuotehttps://www.theverge.com/2022/1/6/22870787/mozilla-pauses-crypto-donations-backlash-jwzQuoteThat was the about year I stopped updating it completely and just continuted with Firefox 22 until late 2017 when things stopped working on webapges. That was a time when they had the flashplayer package embedded in In Firefox program folder that would run on a blank page and take up huge amounts of memory until it caused it to hang. Killing the flashplayer (like I did in 22 and before without a problem when it hanged say during youtube) would cause a overlay message covering up the content to say the tab has crashed when it hasn't. Artificially done to make it look the whole page has "crashed" no other details tells me bugger all as to why/very insulting and condescending to the user. When it was just one component not needed in non video content. I thought VERY STUPID. A little system notification at the top to say that the component (flash player) has stopped working would have been good enough than hide everything on the tab and tell me no details about the issue. I thought that was it for Mozilla. I think they fixed that in about 75 where I was experimenting with it in 2020 and I didn't have issues like that happening.Looks like they stopped accepting it for now:https://www.techrepublic.com/article/mozilla-stops-accepting-cryptocurrency-wikipedia-may-be-next-are-dominos-falling/

author: Bassman59
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2022, 05:25:36 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on February 09, 2022, 09:12:24 pmMaybe the real reason for this is that ... nobody was donating using Bitcoin or other cryptocurrency? Why support a feature nobody uses? I read through the rest of this thread and your other one and saw that FF has been deprecating (not "depreciating," as they say ... words have meaning!) various features for lack of use.And why would anyone use crypto as a currency to buy something when tomorrow that crypto's value might be 10% more? Why would anyone accept crypto in exchange for goods or services when tomorrow that crypto's value might be 10% less?