New GW Instek GDS-3654A/3354A - when will we see them? - Page 1
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author: 5q5r
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2021, 11:49:31 pm
content: I've been looking at buying a new scope at some point, seeing as the 10k memory in the old Tektronix has been limiting me a few times. And while I wasn't looking at a 650 nor 350MHz scope, I did look at GW Instek's catalogue for 2021, just to make sure I wasn't about to buy something that was going out of market at full price. And lo and behold:https://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.htmlThey list new GDS-3654A/3354A models. And .. maybe my google-foo is just horrible, but that site, and a few Russian documents about EMI compliance are the only mention I can find of this on the interwebswhatsoever. Are they just teasing us? Do they usually announce quietly waaaay before release, and then don't mention the productat all?I'm not entirely sure when this catalogue was made, but the Russian version that I found seems to have been created either in November 2020, and modified in March of this year. So it's not exactly new information, as far as I can tell.Anyway: Have any of you heard about it?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 12:15:42 am
content: Quote from: 5q5r on August 01, 2021, 11:49:31 pmYou might find this spec particularly limiting:Record Length 25k points / channel

author: TK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 12:26:04 am
content: Quote from: tautech on August 02, 2021, 12:15:42 amWhere do you see 25kpts/channel? I see 200Mpts / channel. Stop spreading fake information.

author: 5q5r
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 12:31:20 am
content: Quote from: tautech on August 02, 2021, 12:15:42 amYeah, 25kpts is the old version. 200Mpts is the new, as per that 2021 catalogue. :-)That's part of why I'm holding off: I would like to see what it does, if anything, to pricing on their other models.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 12:33:31 am
content: Quote from: TK on August 02, 2021, 12:26:04 amOne can only go on the official website information:https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/downloadSeriesSpec/108

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 12:35:51 am
content: Quote from: tautech on August 02, 2021, 12:33:31 amPlease stop pretending to be stupid. You are not that dumbThis thread is a about the 3000Aseries. As a Siglent dealer you should know the significance of postfixes as Siglent is king when it comes to convoluted postfixes.

author: 5q5r
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 12:41:58 am
content: Quote from: tautech on August 02, 2021, 12:33:31 amDid you look at the official website information I actually posted in the original post?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 01:15:22 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 02, 2021, 12:35:51 amKeep your hair on Nico and please show us where a 3000A model is listed on the GW website:https://www.gwinstek.com/en-global/products/layer/OscilloscopesIt ain't. Period !So if one wants to see the full datasheet and not some mention in a brochure with a few key specs but not the real bones of capability then it's hearsay until an official datasheet is found.

author: 5q5r
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 01:22:42 am
content: Quote from: tautech on August 02, 2021, 01:15:22 amYou seemed to miss the point of the thread. Try re-reading the original post, and seeing if you can figure out what I was actually asking about. :-)

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 08:40:55 am
content: Quote from: tautech on August 02, 2021, 01:15:22 amPlease stop digging your hole deeper. Do I really need to list all the threads where you announce new Siglent equipment showing just a picture WITHOUT any meaningfull specs?

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 09:00:49 am
content: Calm down guys ....If we loose the Siglent support here, it could hinder some people who need the support ...EEvblog doesn't need that kind of talk

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 10:08:31 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 02, 2021, 08:40:55 amNever have I done so without at least a Chinese datasheet and when looking for such today for this GWI I couldn't find such a thing.Your turn to find one wise guy.

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 11:05:28 am
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on August 02, 2021, 09:00:49 amHi, thanks for verifying that Chinese brands do terrible work at answering west customers emails..To all ...It is 100% expected, the Taiwanese giant along with the recently acquired Japanese industries, to be now able to deliver a fresher and more superior class of products.SIGLENT this is a tiny competitor, always was.The one who deserves be worried right now, this isKeysightalone.In the past ten years, measuring applications number were increased.Large brands now aim industrial customers, car industry, solar, EV, medical power supply, and more.About GDS-3654A more than 50% of product specifications are know from the posted info.After the official product release date, consumers will be able to see and the complete picture too.News should be handled as of what they are =NEWSBuying decisions making this is a premature action for now.

author: evava
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 11:27:46 am
content: Oh, Kiriakos is back

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2021, 01:43:25 pm
content: Quote from: evava on August 02, 2021, 11:27:46 amMr. Triantafillou to you. (all that we have in common this is number of fingers at both hands) therefore do not start feeling as equal.But do not worry, the only member that I would love to steal this is @nctnico.He has ethics and skills so to prevent truth from be demolished due evil sources.

author: kcbrown
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2021, 04:43:58 am
content: Here's the scope in question, taken fromhttps://www.gwinstek.com/upload/media/service/catalog/ShortForm_en_2021/mobile/index.html:A measly 800 x 480 display on a 10.2 inch screen? Seriously?

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2021, 06:49:51 pm
content: Quote from: 5q5r on August 01, 2021, 11:49:31 pmThe new discovery this a fact, but you did poor research about the price point of such Oscilloscopes, them dedicated to electronics developers.These are not toy scopes at 500$ range.I would be surprised if GW Instek succeed to hold down the retail pricing at 5,500 ~ 8,500 EurosIn Error, you came across of a product aiming to compete with MSO/DPO5000B ... Base Price 20,400 € - 40,400 €

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2021, 07:11:37 pm
content: Quote from: kcbrown on August 03, 2021, 04:43:58 amGW Instek and any brand out there, it deliver improvements which will considered as such by their loyal costumers, which are familiar and prefer the specificGraphicUserInterface.I am using my GW scope since 16 March 2013, by getting older I do prefer now usingDMM Appat most measurements, because digits appear larger and this isa majorconvenience.Now I can read the screen from two meters away.New selection of screen dimension at such class of scopes, this is about to be loved due elder engineers and they will be able to see the screen from larger distance too.GW Instek will continue having loyal costumers, because they are aiming to continue their own heritage with out be copycats.Their offering = unique features for unique engineers.

author: 5q5r
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2021, 08:12:27 pm
content: Quote from: ITTSB.Europe on August 03, 2021, 06:49:51 pmI don't know where you got your "500$ range" from.It wasn't from me.

author: kcbrown
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2021, 02:08:33 am
content: Quote from: ITTSB.Europe on August 03, 2021, 07:11:37 pmI'm not arguing that you need to change the GUI in any way that would substantially alter how to use the scope. A larger resolution allows you to put more information on the screen. Information which previously would have obscured other more useful information can be shown simultaneously when you have a larger resolution to work with. See the R&S RTB 2000 series scopes for an example of the things you can do with a larger resolution (for instance, they put numerical indicators at the edges that show you what voltage or time values are represented by the grid overlay, so you don't have to work it out in your head or use cursors).QuoteAnd you'd still be able to even with a higher resolution. A higher resolution doesn't automatically mean that everything is smaller. Whether that's how it works out or not is up to the UI designer.But a perfect example of how a larger resolution is truly useful is the Siglent SDS2000X+ series zoom mode. The combination of larger screen (same as this new Instek scope) and higher resolution makes it possible to show the zoomed waveform at the same size and vertical resolution as what you'd previously be showing theunzoomedwaveform on a scope with a smaller screen and resolution.By not going with a larger resolution, Instek has decided to forego nearly all of the advantages that a larger screen makes possible, and leave you with only a magnified image. For some like yourself, that might be enough. But for many, the larger screen will bring no advantages at all, preciselybecauseit gives you no resolution improvement.QuoteYou don't have to forego a higher resolution in order to achieve that.I have no doubt there will be buyers of this scope. But I can nearly guarantee that a higher resolution, and appropriate changes to take advantage of it, will make the scope that much more appealing and will draw in that much more in the way of customers. And if the price range is what you suggest it'll be,allof its competition will have better displays, making it likely that foregoing a resolution increase was a dumb choice.It's a business decision in the end, of course, and Instek has already made that decision. It'll be interesting to see how it works out for them.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2021, 08:13:42 am
content: There still is a chance the screen resolution or size is an error in the brochure. I'm not even sure you can actually buy 10.2" screens with 800x480 resolution. Looking at the picture I think the display is only 8"; the size of the casing seems similar to that of the GDS1000B / GDS2000E series. The latter has an 8" screen. OTOH it is also possible that it actually is a touch screen and the physical buttons are now on-screen buttons. The image is not clear enough to see whether the buttons are on a bezel or on the screen itself. Let's just wait and see what the actual device looks like.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2021, 11:20:11 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 04, 2021, 08:13:42 amIn the middle of so much speculation and opinions, this is the only sound recommendation in this thread - sure it doesn't help the OP but, at the moment, GWI employees (and perhaps some of their key customers) are the only ones that will have anything to say with more substance...Regarding the display: the more the merrier, but it doesn't turn it unusable like other parameters. My DS4014 with its 9'' 800x480 does a fine job in this regard. Sure, it is a 2021 design and the Rigol is reaching 8 ~ 10 years already, so the comparison might be seen as unfair.

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2021, 12:43:12 pm
content: Most powerful feature of GDS-3000 series, which will be inherited also at the Newer GDS-3000 models, this has nothing to do with screen appearance and pixels.Four channels of a single GDS-3000, this is four of GDS-2000A them operating by a common screen.Power analysis software this is another strong point.GDS-3000 series this is unique line of products, always was.If R&S marketing team was not acting as idiots in the past six years, then I would care today to find at which class of their scopes the GDS-3000 compares to.Either way, GDS-3000 series this is top dollar range of products, I do not understand of why some one would care to perform commenting for a product that he will never have.

author: AaronLee
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2021, 01:04:07 pm
content: I'm not that familiar with GW Instek scopes, though I did consider them when I made my recent purchase of a new scope. The GDS-3000 series is now over 10 years old, based on searching in this forum. 10 years is a long time for a scope, given all the innovations that have happened in the past several years. The one thing I quickly realized when searching for a scope that suits me is that the older model scopes simply aren't worth it, with regard to my main digital scope that I'll use everyday. I never realized how useful a lot of the new features are until I used them. The old saying, "time is money" definitely applies to me. Even outside of my job, I often do stuff which I sell or get paid to do. It's easy to forget, but unless you're a true hobbyist and time doesn't matter to you, you should calculate what your time is worth and figure that into your equipment purchase decisions. It's very easy in that case, as far as I'm concerned, to justify spending an extra $1000 to get the scope that'll really allow you to do your job efficiently, and over the life of the scope that additional investment can easily end up saving you a lot of money.How this correlates to the new GDS-3654A/3354A, well, I assume this is an upgrade to the GDS-3000 series, and will be replacing it, or at least they'll be dropping some from that series. After all, at 10 years old, it's bound to become less and less economical to continue to produce, and it becomes harder to find components that are already EOL, etc. So it's definitely needed. I already made my decision last month on my scope, so it's too late to consider these new GW scopes now. I will though say that I'm in agreement that 800x480 resolution is just silly for a newly introduced scope. That alone would likely make me not consider it, though if I could find a dealer where I could see it in action, or watch a YouTube video of it, I'd be open to reconsider. I went with the Siglent SDS2014X+ and will do the upgrades, but the one thing I wished I had on my scope was separate controls for the 4 channels, which I see this one has. I'm sure the list price on this one will be a lot more than the Siglent, but then it's in a higher class, and may very well be worth it. Had I not just bought my scope, and if this one had a higher resolution, I definitely would had held up in making my decision to seriously consider this scope.As for the comments about older people needing to see the screen, actually I fall into that category. Being able to see the screen well is extremely important to me. I remember I was visiting a different company some time ago, and they had a new middle range scope from either Tektronix or Agilent, I don't remember which, and the time base had the ms/us/ns stacked vertically and in such a small font that even with the scope right in front of me I couldn't easily make it out. I made me shake my head how someone just spent a good chunk of change on that scope, and to me the screen was unreadable, making the scope almost worthless to me. Sure, I could squint enough and make it out, or use a magnifying glass, but then my efficiency would go way down. So seeing the screen, and seeing it easily with just a glance is definitely a top priority for me. And to be honest, the most important thing in that regard is the GUI design and making the fonts the proper size so they can be EASILY read. Now a higher resolution can allow a good GUI designer to make the fonts even more readable, and the overall look much more pleasing. But no matter how high the resolution is, if you have an amateur GUI designer on the project, the high resolution is worthless, at least to me. Of course a higher resolution also helps a lot for making the waveform look more accurate.Regardless that I'm not in the market for a scope like this, nice to see progress marching on.

author: kcbrown
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2021, 08:18:37 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 04, 2021, 08:13:42 amThat's possible. It would be unusual for a GUI to be crafted in such a way as to mimic the same look as a previous product with a bezel and real buttons, though.But it really does look like a 10.2" screen like the brochure says. Here's a picture from the brochure of the new scope along with a GDS-2000 and GDS-1000 series scope:In the above, you can see that the BNC connectors in each have about the same diameter, so it's likely they're all to the same relative scale. And the display of the new scope is definitely larger than that of the GDS-2000 series scope shown in the picture.The display shown in the picture does look like an 8" display. It's possible that they made an error in the specifications in the brochure, but given the apparent price range of the device, I suspect that

author: AaronLee
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2021, 08:40:12 pm
content: Given that the GDS-2000 has a 800x600 resolution, it would be extremely odd that a much higher grade new scope would have an even lower resolution of 800x480. While it's hard to tell exactly from the poor resolution photo, off-hand the selection of what they chose to show as content on the photo of the GDS-3354A I would think would start looking chunky if it was 800x480. So my money's on it being either 800x600 or perhaps 1024x600.Any idea what that 3x4 matrix of controls is at the top right?I do like that form-factor. I really wish Siglent would have been willing to extend the case horizontally to improve the controls.

author: kcbrown
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2021, 08:58:21 pm
content: Actually, the GDS-3354 shown in that image looks like it's slightlydownscaled. Here's the same image when I upscale the GDS-3354 so that the BNC connector diameters are about the same size:You can see that the display really is about 10 inches, given that the MDO-2000 scope's display is 8 inches.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2021, 09:07:02 pm
content: Quote from: AaronLee on August 04, 2021, 08:40:12 pmNumber pad, good for spectrum analyzer or AWG use (hm maybe no AWG though).Video:https://www.bilibili.com/s/video/BV16v41177Lb

author: 5q5r
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 08:35:06 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on August 04, 2021, 09:07:02 pmOoh, nice! An actual version of it in the wild! It can't be THAT long before they actually start selling them then, I guess. 😊

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 08:44:56 am
content: The GDS3000A series is a whole lot bigger indeed and in the video it also says 800x480. Not sure whether the resolution is a big issue though. It is just that pixels are more visible. Using an 8x8 font on a 10" 1920x1024 screen is not going to be readable so in the end you end up using the same amount of display area to show something. Last year I used a 7" 1024x600 display in a HMI project. The result is a display with fantastic looking text and graphics. But from a functional point I could have used a 400x240 display as well.

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 10:37:00 am
content: The GDS3000Athis is four single channeloscilloscope in to a single box.Its true that as design alonethis is a decade old, and will keep serving well for measuring and or inspection of four different DC/DC PSU by a single scope.You can read the currently available user manual so to discover of what it can do.The remake version this is made with enough bandwidth so the GDS3000A to becomefurther compatible with a fresh electrical application.GW Instek this is not after to impress, but to make money.Bandwidth alone this is a pointer toEV charging stationwith four outputs.The larger screen will be also appreciated.More memory will be also appreciated.Wfms/s this is enough for the 650MHz bandwidth.Experts at the use of oscilloscopes, even the best in electronic repairs, they will never need such a beast.Speculations:a) if the fresh scope this is a build to order plan ( a company ordered all ready 500 of them) then the marketing will do slower steps in favor of promotion.b) if the fresh scope this is a way for GW Instek to be in the news? and seek for fresh customers, beginning of October they will start theirinner campaign.

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 11:08:36 am
content: Quote from: AaronLee on August 04, 2021, 08:40:12 pmThe beast has several GUI modes, single wave review and four scopes mode (screen gets divided in four squares).I know of how the currentfour scopes modeGUI looks.Just of curiosity, I would like to see and the modern version.

author: AaronLee
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 12:01:51 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 05, 2021, 08:44:56 amBut unfortunately there's enough GUI designers that don't take into consideration whether something is readable or not for the majority. If the designer can read it, it's good to go. That's the one disadvantage of having a high res screen combined with an amateur GUI designer. Not trying to imply anything about the GUI designer for GW Instek, just making a statement in general about GUI designs.What I'd really like to see is something where you could select a normal or a large font scheme, and maybe do away with some information in the large font scheme. Such as date and time for me isn't at all necessary, and some other information could be made available by toggling some button or such. But of course, making two different font schemes means basically making two different GUIs, which means a lot more man hours in designing the product, so I'm not holding my breath to see it anytime soon.If I really wanted to, and the scope had HDMI output, I could connect it to a large HDMI monitor and then should have no problems seeing everything, but then it takes up a lot more space on my bench. Which brings up a good point - I wonder if this scope has HDMI output.

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 05:58:39 pm
content: Quote from: AaronLee on August 05, 2021, 12:01:51 pmI am enjoying a local heatwave and lots of free time, because with 35C indoor its best and wiser to move only my fingers.For your information, GDS2000A for example (regular scope) accepts Add-on card at the back with VGA & LAN capability.When I will get older, I will buy the add-on card.GDS-3000 this is unique and patented technology.It is made to host several GUI, and the newer one will have much more.GDS300 (portable scope) its a good example of how an number of dedicated apps they can maximizethe best easy to use experienceof the hardware.They will add dedicated:a) GUI for the logic analyzer, and as dedicated one,it will not display unwanted information'sb) GUI for the spectrum analyzerc) GUI for the arbitrary waveform generatord) GUI for Power analysis = just refreshede) GUI for four scope mode = just refreshedf) GUI for single waveform mode = just refreshed ( and appears at the video too).I count six GUI so far.Any person looking this measuring device from a distance, he will be unaware that this is actually sold as an oscilloscope.There is no proper description for such a multi functions box, and I do prefer to name it as multi-beast

author: kcbrown
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 06:56:05 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on August 05, 2021, 08:44:56 amA higher resolution makes it possible to show things that you otherwise couldn't, at least without other compromises, if at all.Whether that's useful or not depends on the nature of the instrument. But seeing howthisoscilloscope is essentially supposed to be a medium-performance Swiss Army knife type of scope, a higher resolution is most certainly warranted. As I mentioned before, R&S shows how to make good use of increased resolution (see, e.g., how they do X-Y mode in their RTB-2000 series).Doing it right requires a UI designer that knows what he's doing. And why should that be a surprise? Doinganythingright requires that the person doing it know what he's doing. That goes for the hardware, the underlying OS, the scope acquisition firmware, the analysis code, etc.Everything.People can say all they want how a higher resolution isn't "necessary". Strictly speaking, that's true. But strictly speaking, evenlessresolution is needed than is being used here. It's not about what is necessary, it's about what isuseful. And higher resolution makes it possible to display things in a way that you can't reasonably do so with a lower resolution. Just like more acquisition memory makes it possible to capture things in a way that you can't reasonably do so with less.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 07:20:08 pm
content: So basically they made Keysight MSOX3000A (old one without touch screen) with a lots of memory, and better FFT...That is not bad, but it is a missed opportunity to join into new generation of large screen touch scopes. Touch screen is better suited to manipulating lots of data..So they are coming out with something that is one generation old even on release..We'll just have to wait for it to be released to learn more.

author: RafaPolit
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 07:38:00 pm
content: I am reading this with kin interest. I have myself just bought a Keysight 1024 and new options on the horizon makes me wonder if I spent my money wisely.But I must confess I am surprised to see that vendors and distributors are allowed to come in and down-talk other's equipment, falsely list specs claiming that, since there is no newer specs, they can only go with the old ones (which is frankly, absurd!, specially considering this is a thread about a yet-to-be-released product), and even more troubling: that they are supported by the community when they are thrown into the spotlight because "we need their support".In most other forums I frequent, such vendors are mostly asked to keep only to promotional and support posts, obviously not to comment on other brand's equipment, but MOST IMPORTANTLY, to CLEARLY mark their profile as such so that people reading their posts know they come from "dubious" or "subjective" sources.As it turns out, their "job" here appear to be to follow every post that is speaking about the competition and asking opinions throwing false claims or up-selling their own products instead of actually helping the OP make their decision or clear their doubts. This is not the only thread where such a fight has come forward.Just an open rant, hoping to see more useful info and less sales speeches from interested parties.Rafa.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 08:44:59 pm
content: Quote from: RafaPolit on August 05, 2021, 07:38:00 pmWell, you could discuss if you did, or not, spent your money wisely comparing your scope to the ones that cost the same.This yet unreleased scope will probably cost much more than your scope. GW Instek is decent quality manufacturer but not exactly cheap. And this is scope 2 levels above 1000 series scopes.You could argue if you would be better off if you have bought existing GDS2000E series, for instance...And all said here is simply people discussing and frankly speculating. That is being pointed out many times.Also some things ARE already known, from GW Instek own catalogue. Size and resolution of screen, memory size, sampling rates, detailed photo of front panel that clearly shows this is not touch screen scope (touch screen scopes need physical "Touch" button to enable/disable touch when not needed), which protocols are supported etc etc. Actually quite a lot of data is available. And it all point to fact that new GDS-3654A/3354A has GUI concept of older Keysight MSOX3000A and Tektronix MDO3000/4000 scopes. That is not a problem per se, just a statement. It is a bit old fashioned in it's design.Which some people won't like and some will like itexactlybecause of that.People have right to talk to manufacturers however they like. Manufacturers are businesses, and need to stand up to the scrutiny, listen to complaints and at the same time go out of their way to support people that give them money. There is no need for foul language and vulgarities, of course, but if people think some big company deserves critique , let them have it...I don't care for Sinophobia, Xenophobia or similar sentiments though..As far as I know, only person in this topic that sells equipment is Tautech, who clearly states it in his profile. I don't know the gentleman from Greece, so I don't know about him. Everybody else, AFAIK, are simply people with a bit of time on their hands, that like shooting breeze about scopes.So please, don't generalize before gathering all the facts.. In this forum "some people here has stinky feet" type of talk is less preferred than "you Sir, need to wash your feet, because we can detect the aroma from the satellite".So, to summarize, welcome Rafa, and hope you will find something interesting in this place..

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 11:16:36 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on August 05, 2021, 07:20:08 pm1) Keysight or anyone else, will get to jail if they copy this unique design.2) Touch screen sucks big time, at least as way of controlling oscilloscope trigger, that is a micro-metric adjustment.3) The added numeric keyboard, this is another innovation which removes for good the need for a cheap touchscreen.You can not learn more if you do not learn first something from the current user manual.If you do not find time so to waste at reading it, you will permanently be off topic.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 05, 2021, 11:20:36 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on August 05, 2021, 07:20:08 pmA touch screen isn't exactly the holy grale. The numeric keypad can prove more useful if it can control all kinds of values. In fact GW Instek is pretty good at making highly productive/efficient DSO user interfaces.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2021, 02:05:05 am
content: Quote from: RafaPolit on August 05, 2021, 07:38:00 pmNo muzzles here, but if someone says something stupid they'll be called on it in no time. Politely, of course--most of the time.I wish more vendors would participate and I'm not sure why they don't see the value. Nobody gets a free pass and the crowd can bit rough, but as the saying goes there's no such thing as bad publicity. Unless the vendor just doesn't want to face the issues, any reply to a discussion of problems is helpful even if they can't please everyone.

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2021, 05:19:28 pm
content: Quote from: RafaPolit on August 05, 2021, 07:38:00 pmHi dear Rafa,What brand of tool you own this is not of importance to me.Proper selection of electrical test and measurement tools this is difficult, especially for people in denial to dive alone and read available documentation, even from tools that they will never buy = learn something new for educational purposes.The significant brands, they hire people with the identification ofapplications engineer.An applications engineer will combine his specialization along with products documentation and of his own new field experiences by the use of the actual product.Then he will pass to you the appropriate advice.Therefore a Keysight applications engineer this is your man so to talk with.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2021, 06:14:57 pm
content: Quote from: ITTSB.Europe on August 06, 2021, 05:19:28 pmSounds great. Except that is PAID support...

author: ITTSB.Europe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 06, 2021, 06:19:48 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on August 06, 2021, 06:14:57 pmIt might be for free too, if you make the question before you buy.