Soluboard-Hot water soluble PCB substrate - Page 1
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author: djsb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2023, 01:15:38 pm
content: Ive just been reading up on this hot (90 degrees plus) water-soluble PCB substrate.https://www.jivamaterials.com/I might contact them to see if we can try out any 9" by 12" copper clad boards that they may or may not develop in the future. They can only do up to 2 layer PCB's which is fine for the prototypes that I work with. What are your thoughts?

author: Ian.M
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2023, 01:43:58 pm
content: * What's the insulation resistance likely to be after adsorbing ambient humidity for six months?* How resistant is it to common solvents used for PCB work (e.g. IPA, flux remover)?* How well does it stand up to rework?* How strong is it?I suspect its likely to be considerably worse than SRBP PCBS, which can be a total nightmare to work with.I think that without a waste management system specific to this product, that can handle the likely contamination of the biodegradable materials with heavy metals, its just greenwashing.FR4 and similar epoxy GFRP PCBs can already be economically recycled - grind them up, mechanically and chemically separate the metals, which then get processed as an ore concentrate, and use the epoxy/glass residue as filler in applications as diverse as road surfaces, structural concrete, and garden furniture. Unfortunately its more profitable to export PCBs for 'recycling' to illegal eWaste dumps in 3rd world countries where street kids burn the PCBs to recover used components which then re-enter the market as fakes and cause us all problems.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2023, 09:38:51 pm
content: Adding glass to road surfaces makes them worse as they are more slippery.https://www.pothole.info/2011/07/glassphalt-have-roads-made-with-recycled-glass-changed-pavement/If you read the FAQs on the site it sounds like its not exactly near complete yet.Quote

author: Infraviolet
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 28, 2023, 10:51:54 pm
content: In what way is this desirable for prototyping? I can see a waste reduction end goal for mass produced devices (at the cost of having devices which probably have a shorter lifespan, because I guess this board probably dissolves away slowly under much lower stresses than the 90 celsius water to dissolve it fast) but that doesn't do anything about the copper or the solder or the components on the board, just removes one part from the waste produced. But prototyping is by definition a small-scale matter, so why would one need to have easily disposable boards, prototypes aren't mass manufactured consumable items being thrown out regulary, they area tiny quantity of items which you probably keep on a shelf forever after their usefulness is ended anyway just incase you want to refer back to them.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 07:55:33 pm
content: Quote from: Infraviolet on July 28, 2023, 10:51:54 pmCutting/machining the board might be easier for prototyping purposes.Glass dust is not amazing to work with.