What is your preferred method of documenting cable assemblies? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Hans Mortensen
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2023, 11:27:39 pm
content: Hello all, I'm looking for some advice regarding documentation of cables. I am a mechanical engineer who makes electrical enclosures for a small electrical engineering company. As part of my job, I quite frequently need to make cables and routing diagrams. The problem I am facing is the labor-intensive nature of creating cable documentation. It just seems to take forever! Part of the problem is that each section of the process is created on a different platform, I use KiCad for system schematics, SolidWorks or AutoCAD LT for routing and Excel for cable assembly information. I feel that this is definitely slowing my work and causing errors and contradictions, not to mention the problem of keeping track of revisions (If I do so at all). I just feel there must be a better way that will make my work more productive and of higher quality.I made a chart today to show why I want the three types of documentation due to their unique attributes and how they relate to one another. Is there something that can unify these together in to a single ecosystem, like how PCB's documentation is managed? Or is there something bigger here that I am missing?

author: Stray Electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2023, 12:10:31 am
content: I can't give you any advice on the documentation end of things but if you're testing cable assemblies, and especially if you need to know if any two cable assemblies are wired the same then take a look at some of the Cirrus Systems Corporation's Cable Tester such as the 1000 systems. Cirrus makes socket adapter for them that will fit just about any known connector. And the interface connector is simple so it's easy to make your own adapters if need be. Many of CS cable testers only come with two interfaces so you can only use two adapters and are therefore limited to testing between any two connectors on the cable. But CS also sells optional "boxes" (I'm not sure what they call them) that have additional interfaces so you can add more connector adapters and can test cable assemblies with multiple connectors.One of the nice features of the CS testers is that you can plug in a known good cable with unknown pinouts and the tester will "learn" connections the cable and then you can plug in other cable assemblies and it will tell if the pinout is the same. You can also scroll through the display on the tester and it will show you all of the signal routing and any internal connections. My tester also has an RS-232 port so I have connected it to a portable PC via RS-232 and directed the wire list to the serial port and then captured the wire list in a file.I've had my tester for over 20 years and I don't know what Cirrus offers today but their old model testers work so well that they're always in demand and the E-Greed sellers are asking stupid money for old models similar to mine.PS I just looked at Cirrus website for the first time in years and it looks like their current line of testers still has the same interface and the same connector adapters.https://www.cirris.com/products/adaptersBut for some reason they only show a few of their available connector adapters. I know that they used to showhundredsof them. <https://shop.cirris.com/product-category/adapters/>Oh, I finally found a picture of a 1000 with two added-on interfaceshttps://www.cirris.com/61-product-information/96-signature-1000m-2000

author: abeyer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2023, 12:45:09 am
content: Quote from: Hans Mortensen on March 20, 2023, 11:27:39 pmI think the issue might stem from using tools that don't really share an ecosystem... a "complete" solution like that might be more likely if you were on electrical & mechanical cad on a shared platform from a vendor with some sort of shared "project" level tools that support that kind of integration.I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to do with kicad, but I haven't seen anyone do it, and it would potentially be a different implementation for every mechanical cad platform you wanted to support. Might make for an interesting project.

author: Hans Mortensen
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2023, 12:24:38 pm
content: Thanks, this is a cool bit of kit.

author: ve7xen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2023, 06:46:02 pm
content: I haven't really used it in anger, butWireVizlooks pretty awesome for the harness side of this.Integrating them seems challenging outside of a massive product like Altium.

author: abeyer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2023, 07:41:06 pm
content: Oh, yeah, wireviz looks like a nice start.edit: Haha, went to add that to my bookmarks, only to find that it was already in my "to read" list there from three years ago.

author: ahbushnell
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2023, 06:10:57 pm
content: Solidworks has electrical tools. Don't know if that is useful for you. Good luck.

author: mendip_discovery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2023, 05:32:39 pm
content: I have often wondered why there aren't better tools on offer for this.I want to document wiring looms for cars/bikes. Even better if I could then test them to see how changing wire sizes might affect voltages at the end of the wire. Even to just highlight where the electricity goes when you are trying to work out why a random bulb comes on when you push the clutch in.

author: aduinstat
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2023, 10:51:01 am
content: RapidHarness is a software that I keep asking for. It has a system level view, version control, DRC, and can produce to-scale drawings for pegboards. But I've never used it.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2023, 11:03:31 am
content: Quote from: abeyer on March 21, 2023, 07:41:06 pmIt's an OK tool if you have nothing better. When I used it it couldn't print celsius properly, and I think you cannot really place pictures of circular connectors in it, but that's what I use when every leap year I have to define a cable.

author: tpowell1830
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2023, 11:56:17 am
content: Mentor Graphics was originally designed and used by Tektronix in the 1980s but became Mentor Graphics later in. Boeing started using Mentor Graphics systems back in 2012, when I started working there (retired now). Siemens bought them out in 2021. This is an Enterprise level system, so probably very expensive. The MG Capital system is avaiiable through Siemens now and the system integrates the schematic all the way to a harness drawing. I used this system until I left in Boeing 2020. Below is the web page for that system. I had to dig through Siemens website to find it.Capital system includes all the tools you need to go from schematic to harness, including plugins to integrate through a graphic design CAD tool such as Pro-Engineer to create scaled mechanical drawings.https://plm.sw.siemens.com/en-US/capital/ee-systems-electrical/hope this helps...

author: miguelfdez
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 10, 2023, 09:13:54 am
content: Have you tried WireViz?