Confirm whether this Hakko 951 is authentic or fake?  What to look for? - Page 1
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author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2013, 11:48:29 pm
content: Update: Bought a new and genuine Hakko FX-951 today from an authorized dealer and took some comparison pictures and video of the two stations side by side.I received a VERY questionable Hakko 951 soldering station the other day and I was hoping someone could give me a hand verifying its authenticity. If you have something specific I can look for I'll try and take a photo of that.To start with, some photos of the packaging and power supply:Right off the bat, all identifying information "Hakko, etc.." on the cardboard box has been taped over.But there's still a little white label indicating FX-951, two barcodes and UPCs. Odd to me but maybe something to get through customs without tax? I don't know..Some paperwork, all Chinese I think? Some kind of confirmation card with presumably a serial number? Doesn't match any numbers on the power supply that I can see..Inside, it appears to be a warranty type card. Hong Kong address I'm thinking?Obviously a re-pack, at the very least, which I expected. Seems to be all there however.The power supply, with bits of tape again covering all branding and model number. Not looking good..Same tape on this side. Plastics look 2nd rate, but not terrible. Buttons feel consistent and have a good click, but lots of free travel before contact with the switch behind the button.Crooked sticker, made in S'PORE? C'mon do they really write it that way?Bottom with serial number and model sticker. Also there are no 'feet' or anything to keep the base in place. In fact, it doesn't even sit flat on my desk, but wobbles from side to side. There's no way this is legit?Finally, the unit is held together by (4) phillips screws on the outside corners, and what appears to be one rivet in the center. Seems like a strange anti-tamper choice on something that could conceivably need servicing one day.Now compared with a genuine Hakko FX-951 on the left, questionable unit on the right:There were even a few differences in its operation as well, which I captured in a few video clips:The initial startup heating is much quicker on the genuine HakkoI could tell the buttons were pretty shoddy, lots of free play behind the button and stiff tactile switches. Real one is 100% better.For the heck of it I fired them up without irons to display the different startup sequences. Even if the outside plastics look similar, on the inside, they're programmed differently.I don't really understand why these clones even exist, the real unit is so much better. If you really want something cheaper than the authorized dealer price of the FX-951, just get the 888 which is a great station all on its own. This crap clone isn't worth touching IMO, unless you can get one crazy cheap.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 12:01:33 am
content: According to this video and accesories list on Hakko website there should be jack connector for the stand connection. I don't see it on yours.

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 12:02:17 am
content: I got a fake Hakko FG-100 tip thermometer off Ebay last year. It's very hard to tell from the box printing or the outside of the case. The only way I could verify the fake was opening it up and looking at the quality of the innards. Oh, and one other thing. They forgot to program in the automatic off function. It doesn't turn off after a period of inactivity like the real one does.

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 12:12:50 am
content: Quote from: wraper on November 19, 2013, 12:01:33 amThat's correct, no stand connection or even a jack to plug one in like in this photo from someplace else:

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 12:16:35 am
content: So you can make conclusion...

author: TheBorg
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 01:08:56 am
content: Might be worth a call to Hakko, I asked about about the voltage rating for a hot air station and they ifffered to tell me if it was authentic. But it's not looking too good right now for you.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 04:59:02 am
content: Where did you buy it?As mentioned, the unit you have is missing the stand connector entirely. The irons really show a clone from the real thing as well, so check Hakko's site for FM-2027/2028 iron pics for comparison.AFAIK, the FX-951 is only made in Japan. They have two plants in Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur and Johor Bahru). Not aware of a Hakko manufacturing facility in Singapore at all (business office only).

author: casinada
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 06:53:15 am
content: I've never seen a country abbreviated like that before

author: andtfoot
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 07:48:54 am
content: From what I can see of the paperwork, it appears to be Chinese, not Japanese (unless it is 100% kanji; quite unlikely).

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 08:05:43 am
content: Quote from: casinada on November 19, 2013, 06:53:15 am+1Not sure for Hakko 951 , attached below photo my old but genuine Hakko 936 label at the rear of the solder base.Hint ... watch the words at "assembled" & "Singapore" , not "made" or "S'pore" .

author: AmmoJammo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 08:27:52 am
content: Looks fake to me!Having used some apparently genuine Hakko 951 irons on a daily basis, that were actually sourced from China, but are labelled as made in Japan...The item you have looks like crap... the yellow isn't even the right shade of yellow, and the blue doesn't appear to be either :p

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 11:08:29 am
content: Quote from: all_repair on November 19, 2013, 07:06:04 amI just checked taobao, yours look like China version. If you bought it as Japan Hakko then you can refuse payment. If it is just sold as Hakko which is most likely the case, then .....

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 12:01:33 pm
content: Quote from: nanofrog on November 19, 2013, 04:59:02 amI didn't want to post the seller until I can confirm the authenticity of this station with Hakko, but it's definitely not looking good. This thing has damn near every sign of a Chinese 'knock off.Fortunately used PayPal, so this should be easy to remedy, but what a hassle!

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 01:16:05 pm
content: Definitely not authentic, but how does it perform? That rivet might actually be a calibration pot.Please post the insides too

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 02:48:00 pm
content: Quote from: amyk on November 19, 2013, 01:16:05 pmI don't trust the regulation and ESD performance of a knock off station enough to try reworking anything of too much significance, but I did put a genuine Hakko tip in to test power up and it got hot enough to melt a blob of solder at least. I can see how unsuspecting buyers could be fooled, but if you've ever handled a real Hakko the difference in feel and quality is pretty bad. It definitely hurts Hakko's image if people are led to believe these cheapy stations are genuine.Believe me, if this purchase wasn't protected under PayPal conditions, or if I bought this at a swap meet or something I'd have that rivet drilled out before I even powered it up!However I paid far too much for a cheap clone and so this one will be returned/disputed which unfortunately means no teardown.On the bright side I DO have an authentic 951 coming in this week from an authorized dealer, so I may have the chance to do a side by side comparison.This blog hosted some internal images of the Hakko FX-951:FX-951 Soldering Station Disassemble Photos

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 03:23:09 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 19, 2013, 03:04:14 pmThat's actually the point I'm trying to argue in my dispute. Trying to get that from an official Hakko literature or representative..

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 03:34:45 pm
content: Noticed that power connector is upside down.

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 04:40:48 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 19, 2013, 03:04:14 pmI am not so sure about that. I had shown the picture of my purchase of desoldering nozzles off ebay from HK sellers which were not the same quality and distinctly different as what sold by US sellers to the local Hakko office, and hope to get a definite answer and so to file for refund. No, I did not get the answer I was looking for. If I buy locally, I pay double the USA price, and if I buy from China, I pay 1/2 US price. Hakko is trying to protect the price differences of the different markets. I doubt Hakko can afford not to have a China special, unless they want to throw away the China market. It must be the largest for them with all the factories. And of course there are a lot of fake, and the best way to find out is checking the reviews on Taobao.

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 05:03:40 pm
content: Well I just got in touch with the friendly folks over at HakkoUSA and they confirmed this is NOT a genuine Hakko product. Real Hakko FX-951 stations have the stand connector on the back and are made in Japan, not Singapore.They also confirmed there are no official low-cost or Chinese versions of their products. "Hakko doesn’t make lower cost versions of any of our stations, the only lower cost option under the FX-951 would be the FX-888D, which is a different station entirely."

author: AmmoJammo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 19, 2013, 06:51:08 pm
content: Your pictures look a lot like these here:http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hakko-FX-951-FX951-Digital-Soldering-Station-Xbox-360-PS3-Laptop-Reflow-Reball-/150884432632?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232169baf824 sold, that's a worry...On another note, as far as I can recall, the earlier FX-951's did not have the sleep function, and therefore didn't have the socket on the back.... I'll have a look at work in a few hours

author: tsmith35
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 20, 2013, 12:26:46 am
content: It's a fake. Poorly made, at that.

author: Co6aka
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 20, 2013, 04:16:46 am
content: If you call or use "live chat" to Hakko USA and report the fakes they're very receptive and grateful. Also, on the Hakko USA page is this:

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 20, 2013, 04:31:50 am
content: Yep, I had the nice HakkoUSA rep verify a retailer for me when I bought the replacement FX-951. I learned a valuable lesson though. It's just not worth the small amount of savings in the long run. Just because a seller has a lot of positive feedback, it's never too late to start pulling stunts like this!

author: tsmith35
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 20, 2013, 11:33:31 am
content: Photo of bottom of used Hakko FX-951 units:

author: AmmoJammo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 05:11:31 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 20, 2013, 11:19:59 amReally? why cover up the branding then?and I can confirm, the older irons do not have the socket, the middle hole should in fact contain a screw, and sorry, no pics, I was made redundant yesterday

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:18:24 am
content: Quote from: AmmoJammo on November 21, 2013, 05:11:31 amI asked the seller, the response was the blue tape is to protect the label during testing and they are left on there.I'm not sure I'm a believer yetAre real Hakkos shipped with the same blue tape?

author: AmmoJammo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:22:46 am
content: Quote from: codeboy2k on November 21, 2013, 08:18:24 amlol, its not a label on the side, its recessed into the case, and no, the real Hakkos (at least the 8 my work got, directly from China!) do not have tape over them... and if they did, why would it be colour matched?

author: Svuppe
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:36:54 am
content: So I guess the tape on the cardboard box is also for protection then.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 12:16:32 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 21, 2013, 10:33:40 amThe casing on the real one is split down the middle too (look at the exploded diagram in the manual)... that's just how it was designed.Quote from: mojo-chan on November 21, 2013, 10:33:40 amSerial number means nothing...

author: tsmith35
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 04:30:31 pm
content: One common scam that I've run into involves a company/individual buying the genuine item, removing it from the box, then replacing the item with a counterfeit and selling it. The genuine items are sold off as "brand new, no box".

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 04:31:45 pm
content: I think by "serial number means nothing" he may mean serial numbers are quite easy to copy/steal from real units and just print onto your clone.Sometimes generating the serials from an algorithm rather than a simple numeric sequence can help here, I'm not sure if that's how Hakko does it though.

author: codeboy2k
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:01:30 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 21, 2013, 06:27:31 pmHe's basically washing his hands of the matter, saying he doesn't actually know what they are, and go to Hakko for the real stuff.

author: AmmoJammo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:14:49 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 21, 2013, 05:56:52 pmThat might be real...Although the colours seem off to what I think they should be, and it looks shinier than it should, this could all just be the camera.The extra "warranty" label stuck over the Hakko sticker on the back is a bit weird though... I say open it up and see what's inside?

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:27:54 pm
content: Quote from: AmmoJammo on November 21, 2013, 08:14:49 pmCould be a legit Hakko they acquired (possibly broken) and has since been repaired by them, hence their own warranty sticker?

author: tsmith35
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:31:47 pm
content: Quote from: creyc on November 18, 2013, 11:48:29 pmcreyc, I think this photo definitively illustrates that you bought a counterfeit unit. I put together some of the serial numbers shown in this thread, and it doesn't look good for you:your unit:MN:FX951-06 SN:06 9612 0060 1127 8used units:MN FX951-66 SN:05 9512 0801 8785MN FX951-66 SN:05 9512 0900 2785MN FX951-66 SN:05 9512 1000 2273mojo-chan's unit:MN:FX951-92 SN:05 9512 1000 1580Notice that your unit lists a model number of FX951-06. Searching Google for "FX951-66" yields a ton of English language links. Searching Google for "FX951-92" yields a bunch of Asian links and a couple of English links. Searching Google for "FX951-06" yields exactly three links, two in China and one in Korea. Well, I guess there will be four now... as soon as Google parses the forum.Now look at your serial number. Not only does it not fit the pattern of the other units (I removed all but the last prefixed "0"), but it includes a subgroup "9612" with a SIX, not a FIVE. That portion of the serial number of every genuine FX951 I could find has "9512" in there. And finally, your serial number is one digit too long. The counterfeiters must not be sticklers for detail...

author: mcinque
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:38:10 pm
content: Quote from: Svuppe on November 21, 2013, 08:36:54 am

author: AmmoJammo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:40:09 pm
content: Quote from: tsmith35 on November 21, 2013, 08:31:47 pmOne of the irons I looked at, at work, was (from memory) FX951-15I'll see if I can get someone else to check the serial numbers and report back...

author: tsmith35
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 08:59:06 pm
content: I'm thinking the suffix after the FX951 part has to do with the intended market or country, though I can't be sure.

author: nukie
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2013, 09:44:48 pm
content: There's two types of Hakko sellers from China, one sells the Hakkos at prices close to the actual price. The other one is 1/3 to 1/5 the price. It's easy to spot the real, by looking at the range of goods the seller has. Guess which one is fake.The fakers are very good at making their goods look authentic. I would say they go out of the way to replicate the real item. And even providing extra prints such as warranty forms, and hologram stickers. They are very impressive making the real set questionable.Unfortunately, they missed a few spots. The handle piece for example, never have the same foam grip. If you feel rubber its rubbish. The silicon cable is usually replaced with something else. Finally the number of parts on the control board such as the FX951 is very costly to make a 1:1 copy so it's substitute with a much different control board.The best bet is to buy a used unit, they are usually from assembly factories, look pretty worn but fine internally. You only need a new handle piece to start.

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 02:58:55 am
content: Update: Bought a new and genuine Hakko FX-951 today from an authorized dealer and figured I may as well make this thread a bit more useful to potential future counterfeit FX-951 buyers, so I decided to post side by sides and even a couple videos comparing the two.See first post for all the pics.Had to ship the old one out this evening though, so I can't look at any other areas side by side, unfortunately.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 03:02:27 am
content: Thanks, any chance for another photo shots comparing both irons ? And the ceramic heaters too if its not troubling you too much.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 03:13:21 am
content: Quote from: creyc on November 18, 2013, 11:48:29 pmBecause they've been doing it with Hakko products for years, so they know they can make money on it (proof thattheftbusiness model works).And in the case of pricing, your point of skipping the clone in favor of the FX-888D makes sense in the US due to the pricing here. Unfortunately for other parts of the world, retail is much higher. So the clones would be much more attractive to the unsuspecting or those on tight budgets.

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 03:21:44 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on November 22, 2013, 03:02:27 amCeramic heaters are built into the tips, these stations use T15 style tips:And I shipped out the counterfeit earlier so I can't take a side by side of the wands but I have pictures of both, although the one with the real Hakko is an FM-2027 and the clone came with a FM-2028 (non lighted) so just the lack of red light isn't inherently a signs of counterfeiting. The real Hakko wand does feel much smoother and looks a lot better, so I'm sure the FM-2028 was just a copy as well.FM-2027 came with genuine HakkoFM-2028 came with clone

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 03:30:42 am
content: Quote from: creyc on November 22, 2013, 03:21:44 amIf they were willing to clone the base station enough to try and pass it off as the real thing, it's no leap to expect they'd do it for the iron as well. And then there's a complete lack of incentive for Hakko to provide them with genuine irons (they'd be taking money from their own bottom line and damaging their reputation simultaneously).So it seems highly likely the FM-2028 that came with the clone is also a clone.

author: Paul Moir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 03:47:36 am
content: Looking closely at the two it looks like there are some small differences between the two hand pieces. The "real" one seems to have a radiused groove while the suspect one looks flat like they used a flat bottomed tool to make the groove in the die. Also the ring at the heater end looks a bit smaller in diameter.Hakko would never make such changes themselves for no good reason since changing molds costs a few thousand. You just don't do it unless you have a really good reason to. Ultra-minor changes like groove widths and profiles are not a good reason. For the cloner though it may matter because the machinist they employ to make the molds might not have the exact same tool that Hakko employed and so making a groove of such-and-such a profile would have cost extra.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 07:54:01 am
content: Quote from: nanofrog on November 22, 2013, 03:13:21 amIt also has a lot to do with the Chinese culture: they like to "show off" and the fact that it looks "close enough" to a Hakko ("isn't that what all good soldering stations look like?") and seems to work alright is enough.

author: nukie
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 09:14:55 am
content: You use 3D measurement arm like Faro systems you can quickly replot and generate almost exact dimension of a complex part. This is a technology the Chinese are very familiar with.

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 11:23:18 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 21, 2013, 05:56:52 pmI bought one from that seller, first got one crappy clone:https://plus.google.com/photos/107561384765867748075/albums/5811030712726804833Returned it (costed me a fortune.. ), and got, damn it, an new clone:https://plus.google.com/photos/107561384765867748075/albums/5831897551412006753I guess he now put those stickers on the station to prevent people like me to take it apart.Here in norway these stations costs about $730, I bought an fx888d instead, but wanted more, and bought an jbc instead, don't think I will mess with hakko again (mostly because they have this stupid system that makes it impossible to buy then for private use, I found an seller in UK with decent price, he did not want to sell outside Uk because he would loose hakko.. )

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 22, 2013, 11:46:21 pm
content: Quote from: neslekkim on November 22, 2013, 11:23:18 pmWTF, that is more than two Ersa i-con nano.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2013, 06:29:36 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 22, 2013, 09:27:43 amThe biggest difference with the clones tends to be the heaters and tips; everything else is going to be nearly the same (although the very lowest end may have an undersized transformer). That's why my recommendation of best value for money is to get a clone and put a genuine heater in it.

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2013, 02:16:19 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 23, 2013, 09:51:01 amYes, I know, I had asked specifically to make sure that these was not fakes, but still he sold fakes. Buying things from US is no guarantee for getting proper stuff anymore.I was fed up with it so I didn't bother, I should have though.Quote from: mojo-chan on November 23, 2013, 09:51:01 amYes, I have been thinking more an more about that, lot of electronic equipment that is cheaper in 100/110v versions, so an stepdown transformer could have been an good investment.

author: creyc
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 23, 2013, 07:59:40 pm
content: Quote from: amyk on November 23, 2013, 06:29:36 amWhat part of the station would you consider the heater? I figured since the tips are combined with the heating element, it's an all in one thing and the wand is just a plastic housing.

author: Co6aka
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 24, 2013, 04:14:44 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 22, 2013, 10:58:40 pmReport 'em to eBay. Report 'em to Hakko. And report 'em to the Feds:http://www.stopfakes.gov/consumer-tools/report-fake-goods

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2013, 06:09:01 am
content: Quote from: creyc on November 23, 2013, 07:59:40 pmI had in mind the 936 where heater and tip are separate. In this case, it would be the tip and heater assembly, the most difficult part to produce both for Hakko and the cloners.

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 06:08:08 am
content: Ah, you are in UK.. did you try this reseller?http://www.dancap.co.uk/soldering/fx951pricelist.htmThey have an decent price for, atleast compared to the prices in Norway, but they don't want to sell outside UK

author: Co6aka
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 06:48:02 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 24, 2013, 11:00:33 amI thought the seller was in the USA...? (Or have I been eating waay too many doggie-biscuits again?)

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 08:42:17 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 24, 2013, 11:00:33 amIn the U.S., Paypal/ebay will totally side with the buyer. You can say it didn't "smell" like it did as the online pictures, and they will force the seller to accept a return.

author: AmmoJammo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 09:16:22 am
content: Quote from: george graves on November 26, 2013, 08:42:17 amYes, but if there's no money in the sellers account, you won't get a cent!Paypal may rule in your favour, decide that you're entitled to a refund.. but if the seller has already nicked off with the money, you won't get it back!

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 05:21:08 pm
content: Yes. But then their account is closed. It really doesn't happen often. I fell totally safe buying things on ebay. On the other hand, selling on ebay can be challenging.

author: Co6aka
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 09:26:43 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on November 26, 2013, 09:08:37 amIf the purveyor is in the USA, then the fraud happened in the USA, so it doesn't matter where in the world you are, your friendly Uncle Sam is there to protect you.(Unless of course you're a drone-target, or someone like Kim Dotcom, and so on...Then, kinda like Dave says, "Uncle Sam's your uncle!")Also, anyone, even "foreigners" can report crimes to the states' attorneys general, and to local district attorneys, and to "Five-Oh" also known as da Po-Lice.

author: AmmoJammo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 09:36:24 pm
content: Quote from: george graves on November 26, 2013, 05:21:08 pmNo their account isn't closed.Paypal will tell you that when the funds become available in the sellers, they will issue you with a refund.Of course, if the seller is stealing thousands of dollars, they won't be using the account anymore.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2013, 12:12:08 am
content: Oh, yes, they will close your account. A scammer will get locked out of ebay after a few bad transactions. They have a good system in place that looks for things like that.Just don't buy form someone with little to no feedback. But, duh, everyone knows that.