Keysight knows how to hold a soldering iron! - Page 1
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author: Justin_
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: September 19, 2017, 04:18:04 pm
content: Hey so I saw a Keysight Oscilloscope Facebook post where they had a woman holding a soldering iron so I shih posted "WOW SHE IS HOLDING THE SOLDERING IRON THE RIGHT WAY!!!" in reference to the photo below and they actually liked it. I don't know, I just found it entertaining.

author: Tomorokoshi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2017, 04:48:20 pm
content: Let's see:- Holds soldering iron the right way- Many tools all over the desk- Actually holding solder- Fluke DMM there as well- Board held up in a standThe only thing missing are the safety glasses, the fume extractor, and the static bracelet.Ha! Who am I kidding! Those are missing in a lot of workbenches anyway!

author: 691175002
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2017, 04:51:42 pm
content: Do people really use bulky irons like that for pcb work?A bulky handle makes me think the tool is better suited to plumbing or stained glass, but I might be spoiled.

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2017, 04:53:16 pm
content: That should be the responsibility of whomever is "designing" the scene, to ensure that everything is placed as should be and held as it should. Unless none of that is important for the specific image.In any case, we can't say it's the model's responsibility to know how to solder unless the image is of a real workplace worker actually working on a project.

author: Cubdriver
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 19, 2017, 08:51:19 pm
content: Not only is she holding the iron properly, she also appears to be using actual SOLDER with it, rather than the more typical test probes or screwdrivers or <anything elseexceptsolder> that you normally see in this sort of image.Nice to see that Keysight paid some attention to the details.-Pat

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2017, 09:05:04 pm
content: Quote from: Tomorokoshi on September 19, 2017, 04:48:20 pmFluke DMM, in a Keysight post....QuoteSafety glasses ?

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 19, 2017, 09:08:05 pm
content: Having been in moorfields eye hospital for a night after a soldering blim landed on my eye, yes safety glasses.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 02:12:15 am
content: Quote from: 691175002 on September 19, 2017, 04:51:42 pmAt least it looks to be temperature-controlled, not just a direct mains iron. Possibly a Weller?Here is the full stock photo:http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/woman-soldering-a-circuit-board-in-her-tech-office-royalty-free-image/517234414But I agree, a Hakko or similar 936 clone would look less anachronistic today. Oddly enough, I couldn't find any stock photos with that style of iron.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 02:49:27 am
content: If you look closer, you'll notice that the "engineer" painted her nails. That's very uncommon with hardware engineers since painted nails don't stay nice for very long after handling PCBs. (Out of all the hardware engineers I know in person, only two paint their nails!) It's quite a bit more common with software engineers.Quote from: 691175002 on September 19, 2017, 04:51:42 pmSkip to 4:25.She shows off the huge soldering iron she uses to solder together battery packs. I'd imagine it would be just as useful for soldering very high current PCBs.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 03:47:53 am
content: Depends on what sort of PCB work. Can't see it well, but if it's all through-hole (not on a modern board, but maybe we have a retro computer nerd here?) then it doesn't really matter that much.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 04:44:55 am
content: Looks like a Weller WLC100 to me, which is nothing more than a fire stick + light dimmer.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 05:03:32 am
content: Quote from: 691175002 on September 19, 2017, 04:51:42 pmIt doesn't look any bigger than a Weller WTCP.There are still a lot of those being used for PCB use.I find they are easier to manipulate than some of the more modern irons.AND they have enough reserve to not wimp out on boards with large areas of copper.In my last job, we had a cheapo rework station for the really small stuff & a Weller for everything else.I often didn't bother to turn the other thing on, as the Weller was quite capable.In the previous job, we had earlier versions of the Hakko.These would often be unable to make satisfactory joints on boards with a lot of copper, unless we preheated the PCB with a heat gun.Main problem was poorly designed boards & excessive diameter interconnecting wires, but that's anotherstory.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 06:33:05 am
content: TCP iron here. It eats up everything you throw at it. I can attack big 1960s capacitors soldered to thick copper PCBs followed immediately by 0805's without even changing the tip or temperature. It's easy to control when you've had one in your hand for at least 25 years

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 03:45:23 pm
content: Please, all of us. I find it really sad that we're having this discussion about this and thatvirtually every single stock photo in ads of somebody soldering, especially women, is dangerously wrong.Please, lets all of us, try to make it a point to teach somebody else to solder properly at a basic level.

author: kalel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 04:27:50 pm
content: Quote from: cdev on September 20, 2017, 03:45:23 pmDo people learn from those photos? If you search "how to solder", usually you get some reasonable instructions.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 04:56:16 pm
content: If people take these photos seriously, I doubt they have the mental capacities to even learn how to solder.

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 08:14:48 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on September 20, 2017, 02:49:27 amIs that a guy or a girl? The hair has streaks in it which means they have been to a hair place which men don't do but they have no boobs but the hand mannerisms are feminine.

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2017, 11:54:43 pm
content: Quote from: amyk on September 20, 2017, 02:12:15 amUnfortunately the first one looks like one of Weller's non-temperature controlled irons which use a red enclosure instead of Weller blue. The second photograph shows what looks like an unregulated soldering iron which would be terrible choice on a board like that.Quote from: bd139 on September 20, 2017, 06:33:05 amThe Weller TCP irons are great.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2017, 01:56:19 am
content: Quote from: cdev on September 20, 2017, 03:45:23 pmSo you want us to go out and give remedial soldering lessons to photographers and art directors? OK, I'll give it a go, but I suspect I know where I'm going to end up sticking the iron.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2017, 03:18:26 am
content: Quote from: Beamin on September 20, 2017, 08:14:48 pmBoth and neither.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2017, 03:53:40 am
content: Quote from: Cerebus on September 21, 2017, 01:56:19 amHmmm, I wonder how effective a soldering iron would be as a weapon.Well, if it wasn't attached permanently to a chord. Maybe one of the NiCad ones.Quote from: amyk on September 21, 2017, 03:18:26 amYou could have just said she was trans.Also AFAIK transgenderism means that you are still one or the other. That's the point of it.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2017, 02:21:28 pm
content: Quote from: TwoOfFive on September 21, 2017, 03:53:40 amJust a perfectly ordinary woman who's a bit androgynous. Voice is clearly and naturally female (trans people take about 20+ years to get this right, if ever), wide hips and hands not 'too big'. I suspect the person who raised the question hasn't met enough women to realise that quite a lot come with small boobs and no staples in their midriff and has probably never met a single trans person in their life.

author: MrW0lf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2017, 03:05:37 pm
content: Some extra content for connoisseurs:https://youtu.be/4QqxlOr7Jh8?t=4m13s

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2017, 03:14:30 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on September 21, 2017, 02:21:28 pmExcept that by her own biography she is in fact male, transitioning to female. I also think the body shape and movements look very masculine.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2017, 03:34:52 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on September 21, 2017, 03:14:30 pmI stand corrected, but my analysisby appearances onlystands - I reckon I'd have been right 95+% of the time. Very much a corner case and just goes to show quite how fluid gender characteristics are in practice.

author: MrW0lf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2017, 03:42:43 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on September 21, 2017, 03:34:52 pmNowdays it may require more in-depth investigation. In fact much like CRO vs DSO. With DSO you gotta know quite well how to milk it to get right stuff out, not only something that looks right (aliasing etc). Complicated times.

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 12:49:13 am
content: Quote from: David Hess on September 20, 2017, 11:54:43 pm

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 02:36:56 am
content: Quote from: MrW0lf on September 21, 2017, 03:42:43 pmI think this is caused more by lack of documentation than complexity. Compared to older DSOs, newer DSOs (and everything else) do more but explain less.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 05:35:14 am
content: Quote from: David Hess on September 22, 2017, 02:36:56 amThose of us who knows their way around analog 'scopes often think they are easy to use.Basic CROs are pretty easy to understand, but the niceties of more sophisticated ones take a bit of experience.I remember "sweating blood" the first time I had to use the delayed time base on a 545B.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 08:28:57 am
content: Quote from: David Hess on September 22, 2017, 02:36:56 am..Apart from those pesky help buttons, and press-and-hold function to display one or more pages of onscreen help....Not to mention the 530 page user guidehttp://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/75037-97038.pdf?id=2556931&cc=GB&lc=eng

author: MrW0lf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 11:15:23 am
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author: japasetelagoas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 11:57:53 am
content: He(she) already looked like a woman even before the "transition". I guess some people are just meant to be women.

author: Towger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 22, 2017, 12:42:23 pm
content: Speaking of which glasslinger has not done any new videos for ages.https://www.youtube.com/user/glasslinger/videos

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 12:40:35 pm
content: Quote from: Towger on September 22, 2017, 12:42:23 pmTBH he was getting on a bit. Hope nothing serious has happened.

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 01:42:17 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on September 23, 2017, 12:40:35 pmThat guy is a genius with the things he does with tubes. I have seen some videos of his where he looks really old. When I first started watching his videos I only saw his hands and one where he just looked like an old guy with gray hair in clothes from the good will. Then the next video auto played and he was dressed like a 6 year old girl on school picture day. I thought all of a sudden grandpa had lost his mind but I guess that's normal for him. Doesn't make his videos any less interesting although I spent the whole video wondering what has happened to his brain the first time I saw that.Reminds me of the time I was using my gf picture on a car forum when I was younger with out telling her. I left it on our computer one day so she decided to post a picture of herself in the off topic area. Then leg humping went crazy and she got: "show us your underwear/boobs" PMs. She took toilet paper and rolled it up and stuffed it in her underwear. The opposite of what I thought was going to happen: The PM's didn't stop: People were even more interested and the instant message box filled up full of requests to meet up in real life along with pictures of people with their shirts off and one guy sent a dick pic. Pretty much ruined that account. I'll see if I have the picture on an old hard drive. We turned it into a "meme" that said "Look at my boobs! Now look at my balls!"

author: AllTheGearNoIdea
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 02:39:34 pm
content: It could just be me,but I would definitely have plugged in the soldering iron. Would have made it so much more interesting and could have made some money send the film in to one of those crap blooper TV shows.

author: Beamin
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2017, 03:30:56 pm
content: Quote from: AllTheGearNoIdea on September 23, 2017, 02:39:34 pmBob sagget could do that squeaky voice that says "5 minutes to go on my last day at my soldering Iron job before I get my dream job as a ring and watch model with my pretty hands. I just have to pick up the soldering iron real carefully for this last part. AAAAARRGGHHH!!!! MY BEAUTIFUL HANDS SCARRED FOR LIFE!!!!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

author: AllTheGearNoIdea
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 24, 2017, 08:45:04 am
content: Let's face it's a really easy mistake to make. Over the years I have developed my own method of avoiding this trap. Plug in the soldering iron and if you can smell pork your holding it wrong

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2017, 03:50:15 am
content: So, now for several days Ive been sort of looking for another image of a woman soldering and I have not found a single other one where it doesn't look fake in some important way.Women hold up half the solder.. (in fact, probably more than half)

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2017, 03:59:23 am
content: Quote from: cdev on September 30, 2017, 03:50:15 amIf a picture is worth a thousand words, is a video worth a thousand pictures?https://www.youtube.com/user/micahjd/videosIf you prefer a younger woman:

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2017, 04:20:45 am
content: (speaking to other males, one guy to another, butnotto anybody in particular.)If wenottalk about women's age or relative sexiness or lack of it- that would be a good thing in this context, I think.Because it must be really annoying to them. It would be to me. Maybe its an age thing, (younger people do it less) or maybe its just that I spent a lot of time in Calif. hanging out with people who just didn't seem to do that much if at all, ever.And that works for me.There is a time for everything, and a time for not everything.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2017, 04:42:55 am
content: Younger generally means less experience, for either gender and any race. If two people are equally good at soldering a bodge wire to a 0.4mm pitch QFP, the one who had 2 years of experience would be considered more impressive than the one who had 10 years of experience.