Remember that time when the world ended? - Page 1
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author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 03:26:22 pm
content: Just found this gem from last year on the bottom of the kindling pile this morning. I think it's supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but considering their history....I can say this: It started a very nice, warm fire.Sorry for the huge OT, but I thought it was funny... The world might end? OMFG CELEBRITIES!P.S. Maybe I'm just tired now... or maybe someone slipped a bit of something into my coffee... but it's kind of weird looking at a photo of something you just burned ten minutes ago.

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 03:28:30 pm
content: There's always the next world end but thinking of it, when was that again?

author: SLJ
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 03:31:54 pm
content: I like the line: "What you need to know if the Maya were right"Answer - nothing

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 03:35:53 pm
content: My favorite line is "The date marks the end of the 13th b'ak'tun, which is significant and scary because, you know, 13."Whoever wrote this had a bit of sense of humor. It was probably lost on most of the readers..."And Think About This" is hilariously gloomy.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 04:01:14 pm
content: Heh, whenever I read one of those "The World Is Ending " things I always wonder how it will endthis time. I mean the world has ended so many times, does anyone even keep count?

author: JoeO
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 04:05:17 pm
content: All writers/reporters take the safe attitude that this "end of the world" prediction is a hoax.They do this because they know if they are wrong, they won't have to answer for their mistake.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 04:41:00 pm
content: hollywood keeps coming out with possibilities of how the world will end, but with our marveluos technology and pentagon, its can be avoided. alas i keep enjoying the movies and i hope more will come. one of more possibility they havent make is earth rotation reversal. googling it there are many discussion such ashttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread583087/pg1sure they can make anything dramatic such as scientist: "ohh my model predicted this billion years from now but its happening today!" -click click inputing new data into the model. it will be fun watching sun rises from the west and orbital velocity and gravitaion screwed up resulting mountains blown like feathers and then some heroes saving the world fly over it.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 05:00:02 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 08, 2013, 04:41:00 pmWhy bother. In a couple billion years the sun will go *fizz* *pop* *pop* *expaaaaaaand*oooh planetnom nom nom. Game over man, game over!!! But oh well, more stars where that one came from.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 05:19:42 pm
content: Quote from: mrflibble on December 08, 2013, 05:00:02 pmAssuming humans are still around, just need to find a Goldilocks planet around one of them and colonize that sucker.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 06:26:54 pm
content: Quote from: nanofrog on December 08, 2013, 05:19:42 pmGiven the speed of things, it's pretty damn hard to imagine what humanity would look like at that time scale. But it might not be a bad idea for humans to get out more often. If we're ever planning to get out of this solar system then it's probably going to have to be nuclear since chemical just doesn't cut it. In that regard side-on hydrogen-boron11 fusion looks promising. If only because with that one you don't get hot neutrons in the face. Probably will be production ready in about 20 years. After all, fusion is always production ready in about 20 years.

author: Abstr7ct
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 09:02:47 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 08, 2013, 04:41:00 pmYou should be believing that the sun will rise form the west someday, shouldn't you?

author: walshms
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 10:48:54 pm
content: Quote from: mrflibble on December 08, 2013, 06:26:54 pmGiven the distances involved, it's entirely possible that our species would evolve to the point where we couldn't survive living on a planet in a gravitational field anymore. But let's say we set off to one of the stars in our galactic neighborhood... those will eventually burn out as well, and might do it right in our faces as we approached.At some point in the far future, the universe seems destined to be a lot of radiation and very little in the way of matter. As Lawrence Krauss put it: "The future is miserable." Seems likely, at least knowing what we do today, that it's not a survivable situation no matter what we do. At best, we might postpone the inevitable.Enjoy it while you've got it, folks.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2013, 11:05:07 pm
content: Quote from: walshms on December 08, 2013, 10:48:54 pmWell, if we pick a star that volatile then we deserve all the face burning we get, because that would be really dumb. I'd also hope that we'd pick more than one basket for them thar eggs.QuoteTrue dat.But between that state and just our sun dying is still plenty of time. Hell, before our sun dying is still plenty of time to GTFO this planet and diversify a little. Give it a couple hundred years and we might at least have something meaningful in place outside this planet, but still inside our solar system.. And if not, why not?!?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 08:51:41 am
content: Quote from: Abstr7ct on December 08, 2013, 09:02:47 pmmy "simulated model" in my head predicted it half or a century from now(so the "tale" said)having "nuclear fusion" alone is one thing, getting to the nearest star system is few lightyears, i mean at light speed we are not mere matter anymore, we are some part energy. hope scientists will soon to find a way so we will not disintegrate during the journey.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 11:46:00 am
content: How modern civilisation will end, in order of likelihood.1) Nuclear war2) Being hit by a big rock3) Climate change4) Some type of sudden internal planet hiccup5) Some type of external hiccup with the sun6) Skynet1000000) Any of the religious fairytails, rapture etc.You can toss around a few of those, but the first and last will never change.

author: Fryguy
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 12:02:46 pm
content: Well - a lot of nice theories you've got there . . .Anyway , the last thing you will hear one second before the planet explodes is the voice of a scientist saying : that's technically impossible ! MUAHAHAHAHA

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 12:30:37 pm
content: QuoteI'd say religious fairytails are one of the likely causes of #1.Also, it's a question of what you define by "modern" civilization - a society can slowly slide back into the dark ages (or something that is anything but prosperous, modern or joyful) by means of social change of all types - politics, general public assholeness... at the current state of things I'd say that a significant part of the western world is slowly sliding into a bad place - not End of The World level, more like a place far far away from a golden age and still descending.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 01:06:26 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on December 09, 2013, 12:30:37 pmYes, most likely.QuoteBy modern I mean the high standard of living we have come to expect in the western world. Most of us have decent jobs, clean air, an abundance of food, clean water and air, working sewage, electricity, communications, transport, school and hospital systems etc.Pretty much all those thing would have to fail in every country to be deemed an apocalyptic type scenario we are talking about here. Social factors can't really bring about that in all countries, just in isolated pockets.Nuclear is clearly the most likely, as it could technically happen at any moment by accident, miscalculation, or the whim of a madman, so famously said JFK:

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 01:09:51 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog2) ** Genetic de-evolution through excessive tampering of DNA. Leaving "simpler" cultures mostly intact.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 01:12:02 pm
content: Quote from: digsys on December 09, 2013, 01:09:51 pmI can't see that. As the means to that ends also provides to tool to fix it.It's also a very slow process.I'm basically talking our lifetime here, e.g. this century.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 01:19:48 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 09, 2013, 08:51:41 amWe already have a solution for that. It's called "just make do with going at 10% lightspeed". Disregarding relativistic effects you can get to 0.1 c in about 5 weeks when accelerating at 1 g. Real number will be off, but not by all that much for such a "low" speed. So spend 5 weeks accelerating, cruise along at 0.1 c, then decelerate for 5 weeks. The snag is of course that it takes so bloody long (~ 42 years) to even travel say 4.2 lightyears to Alpha Centauri.No disintegration. Just irradiation. Best bring a lot of water. And aluminum. And plastics. And and and...As for religious fairytails causing #1 ... we can only hope those creation myths go out of style. Better sooner than later. On a local scale there might be some benefit as a mental crutch (Timmy's ego reassuring him he is not alone in an cold unforgiving universe, just so he doesn't go bananas), but on a global scale (interaction between the various groups) it results in too much shit. And since the time of non-interacting small groups of nutjobs is long past my vote is to get rid of that crap. Besides, that would leave more creative potential to be used for something actually useful and dare I say real.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 01:37:50 pm
content: Quote from: mrflibble on December 09, 2013, 01:19:48 pmIf I was world president (NWO?) my first two acts would be to:1) Work toward eliminating all nuclear weapons.2) Get our arses to Mars, permanently. The clause would be, non-religious only. To blow a fresh start in an age of educated reason and science would be foolish.And to keep this topic engineering related, I think a race to settle Mars would a huge kick-start to the world economy and global optimism. As Neil Tyson said "we stopped dreaming".

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 01:53:07 pm
content: QuoteDunno about that - while true that a local social change (localized economic crash, natural disaster, local war) will have only localizedimmediateeffects, they might just worsen the situation by a little all around. Suddenly the neighboring (or other) countries are left with several tens of thousands of refugees that just don't fit into local society too well, creating local tensions.Economic experiments, unlimited solidarity with with users of creative accounting, social experiments and similar can affect a whole region. Culture clash is also not exactly helping.What I'm trying to say is that a shitstorm WILL be the strongest at its focal point, but anyone in the general area will be far from pleased. Add a lot of tiny bits together, and you get a country/region held together by the remnants of past glory, which are not getting better, with a few shining beacons.QuoteNeat! You've got my vote

author: walshms
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 08:12:32 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 09, 2013, 11:46:00 amIf you'll pardon the play on words, Amen brother!I think the threat of nuclear war has diminished, and that getting hit by a big rock seems more likely to me now, but in any event it seems pretty unlikely that we'll survive as a species long enough to get to the point where our own sun goes red giant, never mind others...

author: walshms
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 08:16:33 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 09, 2013, 01:37:50 pmMany of us, yes. Not all of us. Once again, we're back to the basic problem: politicians with short time horizons. If they could take the long view, we'd have already been there and back a number of times.

author: Skimask
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 09:40:30 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 09, 2013, 11:46:00 amI dunno.I'm thinking the next really good "super bug" might have a really good chance at doing us in...

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 09, 2013, 10:13:12 pm
content: Quote from: Skimask on December 09, 2013, 09:40:30 pmNaaaaaah. While the current day equivalent of something like the Spanish flu would reallyreallysuck for a large part of the population, chances are still pretty good that a viable gene pool would remain. So while it makes for 10 minutes of good television ... meh. If only for the reason that so far those pesky microbes and viruses are notoriously selfish. Be juuuust viral enough to get around like a cheap French harlot, but not deadly enough that your entire host ecosystem goes *urgle*. Pesky little critters are just like banksters and politicians.And not only that, but super bug XYZ that makes good television only targets a very small subset of life on planet Earth. Something like either a nutjob induced nukefest or a big rock in your face would take out lots more. But basically anything that would fuck oceanic life is game over for us upstart little monkeys. I'm sorry. I meant upstart littlegreat apes.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 04:10:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 09, 2013, 11:46:00 amActually in the most deterministic sense, the top item on your probability list should be something that doesn't even have a popular name. Briefly described as global industrial and social collapse, due to declining energy resources and EROEI ratio. Followed by gradual global background radiation rise to levels incompatible with human epigenetic racial survival, as all humankind's nuclear installations and material stockpiles lose containment due to no longer being maintained - since the industrial capacity and knowledge got lost in the social collapse.It's not a very catchy ending. But it is by far the most probable scenario, since it proceeds fairly inevitably from current conditions, lacking a totally new energy source breakthrough.Chernobyl andFukushimaare just mild little glitches compared to what will happen as technological competence declines, due to usable energy resource decline. There's a snowball/collapse feedback too, where rising radiation contamination makes it impossible to maintain technological society.Fundamentally, unless we do pull an 'energy rabbit' out of the hat, Earth is going to become devoid of higher life-forms within a thousand years. And stay dead for an interval related to the half-lives of the longer-lived isotopes.Chances of humankind collectively waking up, shutting down all nuclear fission plants, and securing ALL long-life hazardous radioactive materials in deep stable bedrock keeps that will be secure without maintenance for the next half a billion years: zero.The next event in *this* play, is when the Fukushima radioactive ocean current plume reaches the US West coast. Not long now, it's getting close. Effects on West coast ocean biology are already becoming obvious.Oh, and you also forgot supervolcanos, such as Yellowstone. Given the known 'overdue' state of the next Yellowstone event, that probably should be considered more likely 'next' than another large asteroid strike. Though, we don't know much about the frequency of those.A supervolcano eruption and the nuclear power stations in the destruction zone would make for an interesting mix. If the resulting global winter doesn't send us extinct, the leaked radioactives would.Climate change - meh. It's always changing, always has been. See for eghttp://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.htmlNot going to 'end the world', unless you count when the Sun expands and fries Earth, or something knocks Earth out of its thermal sweet-spot orbit. But then climate change would be the least of the problems, given you know, smashed up crust and lava everywhere.Lots of man-made global warming white stuff piling up in the US at the moment, apparently.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 05:52:13 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 09, 2013, 01:37:50 pm

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 06:24:10 am
content: My problem with the whole "get rid of nuclear weapons permanently" is that a lot of it would involve book burning so to speak.The knowledge of how to make a nuclear weapon will always be there unless science and history are sanitized "for the sake of our own good".And I don't like that idea.The way I see it, is there will probably never in our lifetimes fewer than 2 nuclear nations. It will probably always come down to some unfriendly country and the US.Probably the great world unifier would be extraterrestrial encounters. Once we are no longer "Americans, Mexicans, Australians etc" and become Earthlings, the Star Trek voluntary "socialist utopia" will become a possibility.This however would require a level of technology far beyond what is currently possible. Food replication, and large scale deployments of machines that build machines that build other machines would be a necessity.Now when we get to this level of technology, city or state destroying nuclear weapons would seem to be pointless when we could just excise a nation like a cancerous tumor using a star ship.Also required for this new society would be the elimination of the society owes me something attitude that permeates especially in the dependent income classes. Replication technology could eliminate at least from a technological standpoint any physical needs or wants. But I do get concerned when we get to this point because as has been seen time and time again winning the lottery rarely seems to make people happy. Sure it can eliminate their physical needs and wants but there are needs beyond the physical.Now back to the Mars thing, I sincerely doubt eliminating people who have a religion would be of benefit. You'd be excluding about a billion Europeans and Americans, a billion+ Muslims, and a billion+ people from India and surrounding countries.So you'll have billions of Chinese, and a few million white atheists.The use of religion for good or bad, like the existence of bricks for example are more closely tied to the person than the idea.You can use religion to justify atrocities or to save lives. You can fly a plane into a school while screaming "hail satan" or you can become the next Mother Theresa. You can use a brick to help build a school or murder someone.It depends on the person. If the person is screwed up enough in the head to justify something stupid with religion then that's more of a fault of the person than the religion.All in my opinion of course.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 06:33:51 am
content: My bet is on some sort of bacteria/ virus.That, or Vogons trying to construct another hyperspace bypass...Then again the bacteria could be because we sent off all phone sanitizers to colonize another planet...

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 06:37:59 am
content: Quote from: free_electron on December 10, 2013, 06:33:51 amThose damned Vogons! Putting plans in far away places where we can't see them.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 06:46:01 am
content: Quote from: Stonent on December 10, 2013, 06:37:59 amWhy do you think they bury everything in peat moss?

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 07:07:17 am
content: This thread reminds me the doom and gloom global warming predictions from a few years ago:Apparently we tend to be fascinated with apocaliptic scenarios:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 07:52:17 am
content: Quote from: TerraHertzYep. Though on the backside of theSeneca Cliffother consequences of lower societal energy inputs (e.g. rampant malnutrition) will mean other factors like free-electrons pandemic will play a role.QuoteAbsolutely trueQuoteNope -the immediate dangers of Fukushima ocean radioactivity are over-stated and over-hyped.But when the grid goes down and hundreds of reactors in the northern hemisphere go Fukushima ..... well then we will have a problem

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 07:56:40 am
content: Quote from: zapta on December 10, 2013, 07:07:17 amYeah those wackyNASA scientistsjust like to make shit up.Oh, and you can't leave out those wild-eyed doomsayers theUS Navy

author: Legit-Design
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 08:12:30 am
content: http://hiddensecretsofmoney.com/blog/Ambassador-Kithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0&feature=youtu.beThe other episodes are also worth watching.According to what he says ways of trying to artificially improve economy have actually made it worse. Also this is nothing new, it's just history repeating itself.When current economy finally comes to an end only those with gold and silver will survive. Luckily that guy who preaches it also sells gold and silver.

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 08:18:57 am
content: Has anyone seen my hockey stick?

author: M0BSW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 10, 2013, 08:35:57 pm
content: The world ended when we the public let Arseholes, run all of our countries

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 12:19:27 am
content: Quote from: M0BSW on December 10, 2013, 08:35:57 pmWho but an asshole would even want to?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 12:39:00 am
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on December 10, 2013, 04:10:57 amIt is a very bad idea to dump or bury hazardous materials. One way or another they always turn up as an unpleasant surprise. Better keep radioactive stuff in bunkers on the surface. Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. Future generations will have access to it if they need to move it or come up with a good way of disposing it.I don't think there will ever be a downfall of the way of life as we know it. Sharing information by books and more recently through internet have made it possible to spread knowledge all around the globe. The only real threads are a really big meteorite or a gamma burst from an exploding star.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 11:39:00 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 11, 2013, 12:39:00 amHalf lives:Plutonium-239 24,100 yearsPlutonium-242 376,000 yearsPlutonium-244 80.8 million yearsIndustrial civilization: approx 200 years old.Age of Pyramids: about 4,500 years.Emergence of Homo Sapiens: 300 to 400 K years ago.QuoteThis only holds true if they have the capacity to deal with it. But that's the point - they very likely won't.Safest disposal would be formed into glass, buried deep in bedrock, in a crustal plate subduction zone.But we probably already lack the cultural determination and energy resources to do that.QuoteEphemera. Books didn't help the ancient culture that arose around the confluence of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, before the meteor struck there sometime around 8,000 BC. The one that formed the circular impact crater that is now the Umm al Binni lake in Southern Iraq.And actually, computers and the net make knowledge MORE fragile and lossy, than it traditionally was. Ever tried to recover data from a 15 year old hard disk? We're getting far too reliant on the idea that 'the Internet remembers'. Not if the grid is down, it doesn't.Personally I keep every old printed technical manual I can lay my hands on.Oh btw, re books. Acid paper, aka the 'slow fire'. The majority of books published since the 1950s won't last 200 years, due to the cheap paper production process used.QuoteThose are certainly real extinction risks. But your faith in the continuity of technological civilization is more cute than realistic. You should read up on societal collapse, in the historical sense. It's common. Over and over and over again. The energy availability crisis we are already experiencing is typical of common causes of past collapses.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 12:20:16 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 09, 2013, 11:46:00 amif "religious fairytails" say it will be "nuclear war"? (or similar meaning or effect just in another ancient word) would you change the #1 to #1000001? or just remove it for good? #4 & #5 "hiccup" is a "broad" term it can be anything and is inappropriate for "modern technical" term imho.Quote from: EEVblog on December 09, 2013, 11:46:00 amthats thedreamspirit!1) there will be another "George Bush" type in the corner guy. or if its "Nelson Mandela" type, its "Nelson's dream".2) there is no proof Mars can support life, let alone human. With what you are making that statement, faith?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 12:49:18 pm
content: Quote from: Legit-Design on December 10, 2013, 08:12:30 amI knew the debt based monetary system was a scam bubble, but that's scary

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 01:08:01 pm
content: Quote from: M0BSW on December 10, 2013, 08:35:57 pmIf you weren't an arsehole before you became a politician, you become one afterwards, it's inevitable

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 01:13:59 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 11, 2013, 12:39:00 amNot so, a full on nuclear exchange can wipe out modern civilisation due to nuclear winter. And that is only potentially hours away at any given time.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 01:30:45 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 11, 2013, 12:20:16 pmThey don't. And don't give me any crap about your Koran saying it does, it doesn't. I know the verse you are hinting at here, don't bother quoting it.I don't want this to turn into a silly religious holy book interpretation debate. So I'm stopping you now, ok?QuoteAre you kidding?We have this marvelous thing called technology, it can sustain life. Viable civilisations on Mars are easily possible, we just have to make the decision to do it.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 01:55:20 pm
content: ohh was that really offensinve? or did you smell any religious provocation? i didnt say anything about Koran and it certainly doesnt mention about nuclear war or somesortgood luck populating giant dessert with oxy and hydro, the robot should bring some few years ago while the decision is made on earth. its not the matter of economy alone, but can earth resources itself transferable to there? i doubt it. well, if you are so offended dave i'll stop, i'm not intended to continue until upto the point you are pissed off, unintentionallyor just call it off, the world will never end in near future is just a BS, and lock this irrelevant thread. i dont see any technical value in this. thats why i'm here anywayQuote from: EEVblog on December 11, 2013, 01:30:45 pmif its from me? i can promise you it wont, i stayed here long enough to know the silliness of that. but i cant stop people replying and introduce more trolls.

author: SLJ
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 01:56:42 pm
content: I vote for an economic collapse and all the profit sucking corporations that run the 400+ nuke plants run away leaving them to melt down while the governments sit on their ass and argue about how to prevent the destruction of mankind as we all die.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 01:57:25 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 11, 2013, 01:55:20 pmMaybe he remembers you?

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 02:01:33 pm
content: On the topic of colonizing Mars:There is an actually seriously meant project on that topic:http://www.mars-one.com/en/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_OneThey actually held a public sign up for a one-way mission to Mars and seem to be getting some funding, and are serious about it. Dunno, seems like the intent is legit, if doubtfully realistically doable given what they are working with.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 02:03:54 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on December 11, 2013, 01:57:25 pmnot just that, i'm in parole list i know i should behave good kidbut it will be difficult if anything i say be considered as religious provocation. o well i cant please everybody.Quote from: daqq on December 11, 2013, 02:01:33 pmvery well! one small step for mankind!

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 03:44:32 pm
content: Regarding nuclear waste... It can be reprocessed like is done in France. Only a few percent of it is useless the rest can be recycled and reused in reactors.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 05:29:26 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on December 10, 2013, 07:56:40 amI see your point, government agencies always tell us the objective truth.Here are counter viewshttp://www.livescience.com/19640-nasa-astronauts-global-warming-letter.htmlhttp://www.livescience.com/39720-antarctica-ice-record-highs-2013.htmlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2485772/Global-warming-pause-20-years-Arctic-sea-ice-started-recover.htmlRemember, this is a political issue, plenty of budgets and grants depend on it. So far the global warming predictions with specific timeline were exposed as gross exaggerations, just like the Mayan prophecy.Edit: you can read here about Nasa cooking the historical temperature data. They call it 'adjustment'.http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/18/hansens-nasa-giss-cooling-the-past-warming-the-present/

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 05:52:16 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on December 11, 2013, 01:57:25 pmWith that kind of sig, one doesn't need to remember.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 06:18:56 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on December 11, 2013, 05:52:16 pmWith that kind of sig, I find the "logic" and "proofiness" of that link a bit lacking. I mean, I just did the math on the back of a napkin and when you work out the Chernoff-Hoeffding inequality it clearly show that for any acceptable value of epsilon the likelihood becomes so vanishingly small that the hypothesis under test is Probabilistically Approximately Bullshit.And when my napkins have higher proofiness than a website"Clearly Showing That XYZ MUST Be True  because you know logic and shit"you know you're in trouble.Hail Thor, patron god of frosty beverages! (He arrived on the scene earlier than those desert tribe derivatives, so dibs!)

author: walshms
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 06:50:12 pm
content: Quote from: mrflibble on December 11, 2013, 06:18:56 pmA bit? You think?I think you've conceded too much even doing the calculation. It's even simpler than that -- if it can't be tested, it can't be disproved, and if it can't be disproved there's no point in having the conversation at all.The human imagination can cook up pretty outrageous things that have nothing to do with reality or the physical world, and just because someone cooks something up and writes it down doesn't mean it's worth even a passing glance.I'd suggest to everyone that it's not worth the bother, and leave those who cook up the nonsense to wallow in it to their hearts' content. As long as they're not foisting it on the rest of us, we should just ignore it. It'll eventually go away.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 06:56:41 pm
content: Quote from: daqq on December 11, 2013, 02:01:33 pmIt will probably take a bit more serious funding to get people to Mars, and to not have them die. I am all for human exploration, but I suspect that it makes more sense to first send more robots and improve those. That said, funding put into robotic missions is funding not put into manned missions. Decisions decisions...I think one of the enablers we'll need first is to make it a lot cheaper to get stuff into orbit. Arthur C. Clarke style space elevator anyone?If only they hurried up with carbon nanotube spinning tech already. Oh and making it UV resistant. and and and. Sooooooo, not quite there yet.Guess we'll just have to make do with shooting up rockets for a bit longer.

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2013, 07:11:11 pm
content: Quote from: walshms on December 11, 2013, 06:50:12 pmYou'd be amazed at the speed with which I can put lower bounds on bullshit. Besides, in the spirit of the subject matter those calculations are on an imaginary napkin. As if I'd spendrealink on a "problem" like that. pfffffrt.QuoteYup. That is my hope as well. Just make sure people have better things to do with their time and religion will die a slow death of obsolesence. In time it will probably have to sue for relevance, just like SCO. XDAs for Dave's no-religion requirement for the new Mars settlement ... be sure to include the history of religions in the curriculum. When you read enough about the craploads of religions that have come and gone, then you are less likely to believe thatyoooooooourreligion just has to be the one true one because you are so special. Yes, you are special. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE! Now shut up and make me some pancakes.What? Oh alright, I'll make them myself then.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 02:13:10 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 11, 2013, 12:49:18 pmWelcome to the Twilight Zone (of awareness of the reality behind the curtain.)After fright comes rage. Or, you could just ignore it and pretend it's not real.Discovering how bad it is, was one of the prime reasons I retired early. I refuse to participate in this bullshit.A good book on how the banking/money scam was created, is The Creature from Jekyll Island, by G E Griffin.Despite being about the history of banking, it's one of the most gripping books I ever read.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 02:33:19 am
content: Quote from: zapta on December 11, 2013, 05:29:26 pmNope, this is a scientific issue. Pretty much all science depends on budgets and grants - duh. Its only the right wing nut jobs and Koch brother funded propagandandized - Fox News watching zealots - who make it political.Global warming is fact and is not disputed by ANY serious climate scientist. Yeah there are a few scientists that do not agree that it is caused by burning fossil fuels - but 97% of climate scientists do think that is the cause. (Likely about the same percentage of biologists who believe in evolution..)Sure there have been all kinds of predictions - as Yogi Berra said "It's hard to make predictions, especially about the future". But the TRUTH is that most of the 20-30 year old models for rise in atmospheric CO2 levels, global warming, and loss of Arctic sea ice have proven much too optimistic and did not take into account the numerous positive feedback cycles that have been triggered (such as increased arctic methane release).But of course if your anti global warming stance is yourreligion, none of thissciencewill matter....

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 02:41:28 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on December 11, 2013, 05:52:16 pm*snort*

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 02:45:47 am
content: Quote from: walshms on December 11, 2013, 06:50:12 pmErgo every holy book ever written.QuoteOne can only hope so. Unfortunately such things have dominated the thinking of our species for thousands of years. Only since the communications revolution have we had the tools to challenge silly beliefs on a global population scale.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 04:08:35 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 12, 2013, 02:45:47 amHowever it's unfortunately true that along with the communications revolution, there have also been advances in the techniques of peddling silly beliefs. So the battle didn't get any easier.http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/bernprop.htmlPropaganda (1928) by Edward Bernayshttp://www.projectcensored.org/11-the-media-can-legally-lie"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."-- William Casey, Director of Central Intelligence. An observation by the late Director at his first staff meeting in 1981. This observation reveals the mentality of cynicism which infests the US Federal control structures, and the reality that these structures regard the American people with total contempt.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 04:21:16 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 12, 2013, 02:45:47 amSomething that is so deeply inseminated in our civilization for thousand of years can not be easily removed just in few decades or even centuries, imo.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 04:21:43 am
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on December 12, 2013, 04:08:35 amYeah, don't forget what that master of propaganda Hermann Goering had to say on the subject:Quote

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 04:45:42 am
content: Quote from: mtdoc on December 12, 2013, 04:21:43 am

author: walshms
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 05:42:14 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 12, 2013, 02:45:47 am... and at least one dictated from a "seeing stone" in a hat... and some people seriously believe in it to the point of abandoning not just their rationality, but 10% of their income as well. Scary!QuoteThere's at least a few people that want to take advantage of that. I can't remember her name now, but she's appeared in a video with Richard Dawkins, Dan Dennett and Sam Harris. She happens to have been (or still identifies as?) Muslim, yet she's an atheist. She wants to see as many books translated into Arabic as possible and see them distributed widely in the Muslim world. I say, why the heck hasn't that already been done?I think, though, that in at least some cases the message is getting through. While there does seem to be some innate strong desire (or need) in humans to believe in something, and there's some argument that there's an evolutionary basis for it, I think it's really nothing more or less than education that will solve the problem. The more you learn, the less likely you are to "believe" in anything at all.Of course, you have to catch people's interest long enough to get them to start thinking in the first place, but once you do... it's possible to break the spell.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 05:49:00 am
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on December 12, 2013, 04:08:35 amArguably true. But I like to think it has been overall much more benefit for the enlightenment of reason and the oppressed.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 06:09:48 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on December 12, 2013, 04:21:16 amMake up the most absurd idea and you will find people that will believe in it, be it a religion, a conspiracy theory or the healing power of fill-the-blank. That's the human nature, we are imperfect and those believes do fill some need.BTW, in my neck of the wood, making fun on other people believes is considered back etiquette and bad business. In some other places you can even loose your head, literally.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 06:47:35 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 12, 2013, 05:49:00 amOh definitely. I was just pointing out that the communications revolution is not _all_ roses.Before the Internet, there was really no hope of enlightened freedom ever winning against the forces of hereditary power, so skilled in use of deception and fabricated belief systems to keep the masses subjugated.Now at least there's a small hope.I like to think there's even the possibility of permanent victory, along the lines of Ender's Game. Making it a serious criminal offense to knowingly spread provable lies via mass media might be a good start. Though that's *never* going to happen so long as the present ptb remain in control. Since their survival (literally, their lives) depends on the maintenance of public belief in very many lies.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 06:53:16 am
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on December 12, 2013, 06:47:35 amVictory shouldn't be that hard, it starts with the full empowerment of women. Many countries have still to learn this, and are being and will be dragged into the modern age whether they like it or not

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 06:59:20 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 12, 2013, 06:53:16 amI suppose we could start with rapists and work our way from there. If they can't use their organs politely, they get taken away.

author: SLJ
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 12:52:35 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 12, 2013, 06:53:16 amThe more educated women there are and the more women in decision making positions, the less chance children will be sent off to war.

author: JoeO
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 01:13:00 pm
content: Quote from: SLJ on December 12, 2013, 12:52:35 pmA woman was the sole vote against the US going to war with Japan after the attack on Pearl Harbor.Sometimes women do not get it.

author: SLJ
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 01:33:44 pm
content: Quote from: JoeO on December 12, 2013, 01:13:00 pmYou can't go by a sole vote. Politicians vote against something all the time when they know their vote won't matter even though they support the idea.Rankin was a pacifist though and had voted against getting involved in WW I also. She was also reelected by her district and at the time believed the administration had intentionally allowed Japan to attack the united States so we could get involved in Europe. A notion that still exists today and believed by some historians.I could rephrase it:The more educated and empowered women are the less chance children will be sent off to Jihad.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 03:19:26 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on December 12, 2013, 02:33:19 am'Koch brothers', 'Fox News', wow! You sure reading the talking point of the left. No need to be defensive and emotionally invested, dogma is bad for science.Quote from: mtdoc on December 12, 2013, 02:33:19 amThe science is not that settled down as some outlets want you to believe and you can see more and more back paddling from the doom and gloom crowd (noticed how 'global warming' changed into 'climate change', or the recent 'pause' in climate change?)Check the Senate testimony video at the bottom of this page, things are not that one sided as you believehttp://capitolrecord.tvw.org/2013/03/senators-hear-testimony-from-global-warming-skeptic/#.UqnSHGRDuPC

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 04:53:36 pm
content: Quote from: SLJ on December 12, 2013, 01:33:44 pmyou certainly clueless about the meaning of "Jihad", go learn arabic before makeuneducated guess, it will be a shame esp to those who hold high about "rational reasoning" in mind. or maybe you want to evolutionize word? not too fast brother, not the arabic word (the very stable languange). fyi, its not specific meaning to "war" (yes i read the same statement earlier with "war" in it, dont change that fact please)for those of you who are really concern about my sig, well i dont want to elaborate further, click it or leave it as it is, imho its better (with some sound mathematical foundation in it) than reading a "political incorrect site including incorrect facts and jokes about islam" written by some clueless muggle (read as NOT->God). now dont argue about what i think i'm not interested in that, and i 'm not interested in what you believe, your religion (or un-religion) is for you, my religion and belief is for me. did someone mentioned "talking bad about other is bad ethics"? as dave had put it (long time ago i'm not sure if he remember, but i treat it as good and sound advice) world can be a better place if one is not easily get offendedand ohh, no matter how high is your horse, err you tech, i'm happy to be left behind on earth. enjoy the life on Mars as you please! please?!an exploding Sun wont give much difference between us.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 05:31:36 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 12, 2013, 04:53:36 pmQuote from: Mechatrommer on December 12, 2013, 04:53:36 pmActually there is a huge difference, since there will be 72 virgins waiting for you in after life, while we non Moslem don't.C'mon Mech, at least you have to agree with me on this part, its your belief.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 05:40:12 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on December 12, 2013, 03:19:26 pmLeft versus right is a false dichotomy promoted by those who want to take your eyes off the ball - which in this case is thescience. The Koch Brothers and Rupert Murdoch news outlets are simply well documented as propaganda machines with clear agendas. Unfortunately too many of the science naive are easily swayed by their methods and easily jump onto any bandwagon that is tied (by design) to their easily fanned political hatreds. (In the case of global warming it just happens to be the rights hatred of Al Gore). BTW I don't identify with either of the current "right" or "left' categories. My political heros range from Ron Paul to Dennis Kucinich.QuoteCherry picked Senate testimony, really? Is that the best you can come up with? That's politics - which appears to be your bailiwick. I'm talking about thesciencewhich despite your protestations IS settled:W. R. L. Anderegg, “Expert Credibility in Climate Change,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Vol. 107 No. 27, 12107-12109 (21 June 2010); DOI: 10.1073/pnas.1003187107.P. T. Doran & M. K. Zimmerman, "Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change," Eos Transactions American Geophysical Union Vol. 90 Issue 3 (2009), 22; DOI: 10.1029/2009EO030002.N. Oreskes, “Beyond the Ivory Tower: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change,” Science Vol. 306 no. 5702, p. 1686 (3 December 2004); DOI: 10.1126/science.1103618.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 06:03:00 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on December 12, 2013, 05:40:12 pmWell, I guess we will need to revisit this in 10 years and see if the doom and gloom global warming predictions were materialized.My bet is that the results will be just like the Mayan prophecy. By that time we will have another apocalypse prediction du jour.

author: SLJ
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 06:11:54 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 12, 2013, 04:53:36 pmUnfortunately religious zealots have led to a new meaning of Jahad being added to your classical meaning whether you like it or not:The "lesser jihad" is the physical struggle against the enemies of Islam. This physical struggle can take a violent form or a non-violent form. The zealots have shown the rest of the world that they feel any non Muslim is an enemy of Islam and that violence may be used against innocent men, women, and children.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 06:44:28 pm
content: Quote from: SLJ on December 12, 2013, 06:11:54 pmyes unfortunately, they are as clueless (or even worst) as youlet me list you another meaning for "struggle" (Jihad) FWIW:1) struggle to pass exam in U2) struggle to deliver childbirth3) struggle swimming in the sea to save life after boat crash4) struggle in stomach pain5) struggle to maintain peace6) struggle to destroy all nuclear weapon7) struggle to build Mars rover6) struggle to go to Mars1000000) struggle to kill all humans without any good reason.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 06:49:24 pm
content: Quote from: SLJ on December 12, 2013, 06:11:54 pmSteve, as most religions, usually their faithful believers chant "I'm willing to die for what I believe", while these zealots they just chant differently ... "YOU will die for what I believe".

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 07:02:31 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 12, 2013, 04:53:36 pmMechatrommer, I am glad that you adopted a non violence interpretation for the word jihad. You cannot deny though that throughout history and even these days, others have used a more literal interoperation of the word which means fighting the kafirs and spreading islam by sward.This is why I expect you to be more understanding of westerners that have a cringe and become suspicious when they hear words such as 'jihad' and 'allahu akbar'. Do not blame them, blame the past and current Muslim that have terrorized other in the name of your religion and blame those muslims that sat quietly and did not condemn it.As long as you are tolerant and non violent, you are a good man in my book.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 07:09:25 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on December 12, 2013, 07:02:31 pmshould i say blame the media? the media wont care to highlight "a mother is Jihading to give a childbirth in one remote Arab nation". but when its war, its "Jihad", its "Jihad". why dont they use their own language if its in war?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 07:22:25 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on December 12, 2013, 06:49:24 pmthe thing is, in case of some islamic extremists. some other agencies, military or whatnot has made their first move, such as what happened in afghanistan for example, or maybe palestine, iraq etc. so the exteremists were doing counter attack (self defense?). since the military are all white people and christians, the zealots then will highlight "its ok for all white people (kafir) to die", they are losing wits hatred controlling themselves, and then media made its counter attack "jihad=war" cant you make a proper study on this? what happened to those zealots is now happening in west community. western think "islam" in general is the religion of war. the difference is, zealots acted because of this military agency coming and killing, western thinked because of media which highlighted what zealots did to innocent westerners, but what those western military did to those innocent people in remote countries is closed from public knowledge.tell me whats the death toll in Iraq (let alone afghan and other countries it invaded) due to invasion?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_Warand how many people died in one bar club bomb blast? can you compare? who's the zealots? and guess why the invasion? all because the "noble cause" of "try to eliminate nuclear weapon" which was not there in the first place.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 07:54:19 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 12, 2013, 07:09:25 pmMechatrommer, your instinctively blame western media and ignore actions done in the name of Islam.If the media creates a religious spin for a conflict with no religious background than it is wrong. From my experience, its the mulsim leaders that justify many conflicts as a jihad."Answer the call of jihad and long live the mujahideen of our nation. God is great and may the criminals fail."http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2908147.stm

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2013, 11:29:55 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on December 10, 2013, 07:52:17 amDon't be so sure.For one thing you probably haven't been seeing the reports of mass ocean life dieoffs along the West coast, or the signs that there are mass migrations of deep Pacific species to the shallower coastal waters. (Fleeing the plume, would be the most likely explanation.)Anyway, I'm posting this because look what turned up today, from Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center.http://www.netc.com/(nice map at the site.)RADIATION ALERTS: Cities in CA and UT 12-12-2013According to the Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center (NETC) thefollowing information is of concern:Station ID 5:816 Saint George, UT, USCPM: current 456 Low 138 High 456Average 222, Deviation 55(CPM of Gamma in energy range 600-800keV)This means the current background radiation level has more thandoubled today in St. George, UT from the typical average reading.Station ID 5:910 Reno, NV, USCPM: current 462 Low 198 High 542Average 279, Deviation 56.2(CPM of Gamma in energy range 600-800keV)This means the current background radiation level has increasedsuddenly by more than 200 points per minute in RENO, NV from thetypical average reading.YOU CAN VIEW CURRENT RADIATION LEVELS AT The Nuclear EmergencyTracking Center online atwww.NETC.com-----------I wonder how many people are aware that the emergency at Fukushima is NOT over, and in fact is still getting worse? There are three fully melted down cores, all melted through the reactor containment and sitting in unstable ground with high porosity and high groundwater flow rates, flowing straight into the ocean. There's continual atmospheric escape of radioactive gases via the broken containment structures. Tepco and the government are deliberately and seriously underplaying the scale of radiation release, because 'Japanese pride'. In fact they just passed a law to make independent reporting illegal. There's NO POSSIBILITY of ending the leakage to air and ocean. Not unless Japan admits the problem is beyond their abilities and a massive international emergency engineering effort happens - and chances of that are currently non-existent. It might happen in ten years, after Tokyo has been evacuated (as it will have to be, if the radiation levels there keep rising as they are.)Oh btw, mtdoc. Quoting 'scientific consensus' papers that are not free online, really isn't very useful in a net forum.Just one link:20101220http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9035/SPECIAL-REPORT-More-Than-1000-International-Scientists-Dissent-Over-ManMade-Global-Warming-Claims--Challenge-UN-IPCC--GoreMore Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims - Challenge UN IPCC & GoreMore than 1,000 dissenting scientists (updates previous 700 scientist report) from around the globe have now challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 2010 321-page Climate Depot Special Report -- updated from the 2007 groundbreaking U.S. Senate Report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 1,000 international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated 2010 report includes a dramatic increase of over 300 additional (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the last update in March 2009.You might like to check your certainty against the materials inhttp://everist.org/archives/links/__AGW_links.txthttp://everist.org/archives/links/__AGW_quotes.txthttp://everist.org/archives/links/__AGW_CRU_emails_links.txtIt's pretty hard to deny a conspiracy exists, when there's a huge archive of leaked emails from the core conspirators, discussing their deception and strategy for pushing it to the public. And the people involved have publicly admitted the emails are genuine.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2013, 12:14:10 am
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on December 12, 2013, 11:29:55 pmI agree 100s % that the dangers from Fukushima are not over and are generally under reported. What I disagree with is the notion that the radioactive contamination of the Pacific ocean from Fukushima is of any immediate danger to ocean life for anywhere except perhaps the immediate vicinity of the Daiichi ppwer plant. The truth is that most organisms can tolerate relatively high levels of radiation just fine. The longer term effects tend to show in the form of genetic mutations and cancers in long lived animals like humans (but not in fish). The danger from Fukushima ocean contamination is the accumulation of long lived isotopes like cesium and strontium that accumulate in the food chain.QuoteOn the contrary - I'm quite aware of this. I live next to the Srtait of San Juan de Fuca and have several biologist friends who are active in monitoring local marine life. I actually began my biology career studying marine biology before switching to neurobiology and later medicine. Local die-offs of marine life occur all the time - sometimes due to natural phenomenon and sometimes due to human caused phenomenon. Local pockets or low oxygenation and more recently ocean acidification are real causes for concern. Radiation from Fukushima is not.Because I am concerned about the under reported effects of radiation from Fukushima and the potential of similar events occurring at other nuclear power plants I just don't like it when certain risks (in this case immediate danger to west coast marine life) are over-hyped since it gives ammunition to the naysayers who say nuclear power is safe and there is no danger from radiation releases.

author: johansen
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2013, 12:24:36 am
content: regarding global warming and the ocean warming up, yes, there is the possibility that the ocean rises a few feet. nothing that hasn't happened before.total precipitation per year on the whole planet, will cycle through the volume of the ocean, in about 3000-5000 years.given that 96% of the greenhouse effect is water vapor, there really isn't much we can to to prevent the rain water coming down one degree C above or below what has been normal for the last 1000 years.and the whole point of the global warming conspiracy is to get humans to feel they don't have a right to be on this planet.something, that myself as a Christian, i'm not quite sure if we do, honestly. be fruitful and multiply.. but you must get your marriage recognized by earthly authorities because you're under their domain.. in any case, there does seem to be a legal mechanism by which you can take back dominion and earthly authorities must recognize it.many are now rediscovering this through analysis of common law code and Babylonian merchant code.but the reason i bring this up, is because it will soon be illegal to do much of anything.seeing in many states we do not have a legal right to the rain water that falls on your property.in most states you don't own the land you live on, you pay rent in the form of property tax.with obamacare, you no longer have a right to you own bodies..illegal to heat your home with wood in many places, etc, etc.oh, and "that can't happen here"after WWII about 2000 veterans were forcefully lobotomized.so take this a step further, and you can easily see the motivation and the mechanisms they will use to rid the earth of 90% of its population.. if the docile sheep will take a green suicide pill for the environment, then it makes it a whole lot easier.given that the eevblog is mostly young people who didn't see this coming... its no surprise not many here can see that the global warming brainwashing started in the 3rd grade...(or earlier)so if you want your kids to be taken by the state at age 3 till age 17/18 for 8 hours a day of programming, as a few nations in europe are already doing i've heard.. go right on ahead and keep your head down, it will be taken off soon enough..so back to fukushima long time...i'm honestly surprised the fuel pools didn't light on fire (or did they lol, and we just haven't found out yet)apparently there hasn't been any water in # 4 since march 16/2011the other three cores are no longer in the stainless containment vessel.. melting through whatever is down there.reactor #3 is likely no longer in the building, much of it got ejected in a steam explosion that launched fuel pellets 2+ miles. when molten fuel fell out of the middle of it into the bottom of the reactor core which was filled with water, that water got forcefully blown through the rest of the red hot reactor.. ejecting some of it. (have they even located the 30 foot diameter yellow cap? i can't find it!)on the order of chernobyle, this is 10-1000 times worse, not including the increased population density there.but is it enough to kill a third of the fish in the sea? i doubt it.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2013, 01:31:36 am
content: Quote from: johansen on December 13, 2013, 12:24:36 amOh man, I'm speechless . .. Christian dominion over the earth huh.. I don't argue religion.QuoteI'm not exactly sure who you believe "they" are. Suffice to say all the people with power depend on large masses of consumers to keep their money and power train going...In any case there is no need for "them" to cull the population. The earth will take of that since we have already far overshot the earth's carrying capacity. Infinite growth on a finite planet does not work. But I suppose if you're a fundamentalist Christian the rapture will save you - so you're good.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2013, 01:37:43 am
content: Wow.This thread lasted a lot longer than I thought it would.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 13, 2013, 01:56:21 am
content: Quote from: TerraHertz on December 12, 2013, 11:29:55 pmI'm sick of this crap that gets spewed around about the "number of scientists". Most of these are NOT climate scientists, they do not study in the field, and have not been published in the field. So their opinion means squat. Yes, there is a lot of politics involved, but ultimately the scientific method will prevail, let the real climate scientists do their job.That's the end of any anti climate science stuff in this thread.