PALCE Chips - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Homer79
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 06, 2023, 08:15:31 pm
content: Hi,I usually just use GAL's and write in wincupl. For what I use them forthey work fine. PALCE chips, I've found an affordable programmer, theTOP 3000 that can write to them. However, I am not sure if I can continueto use wincupl or if I need to learn how to use PALASM.Anyone know programming language works with what chips?regards

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2023, 08:52:48 pm
content: As I recall, PALCE chips were functionally the same as their GAL equivalents. I think the jedec files are compatibleI'm 99% sure I used PALCE chips at some point, and if so I would definitely have used CUPL/WINCUPL

author: PCB.Wiz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2023, 04:23:51 am
content: Quote from: Homer79 on November 06, 2023, 08:15:31 pmSome part numbers would help.WinCUPL supports the mainstream 16V8 / 22v10, which covers most parts up to 10 macrocells. WinCUPL runs fine here in Win100 in command line mode.Then, you have ATF750, with 20 macrocells, and ATF2500 and ATF1502/4/8 parts.The ATF1502/4/8 use JTAG ISP, so are easier to use, and most users 'skip over' the ATF750 & ATF2500, which have more sparse programmer support.ATF750 is useful if you have an existing 22V10 footprint that needs a bit more logic packed in.

author: Homer79
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 07, 2023, 01:21:31 pm
content: It's a whole series of chips. I've managed to get hold of the software for the topProgrammer from 2022, but to get the 2023 edition you need to register on a ChineseWebsite.https://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/70216/LATTICE/PALCE22V10.html

author: PCB.Wiz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2023, 11:14:29 pm
content: Quote from: Homer79 on November 07, 2023, 01:21:31 pmThe 22V10 all have the same logic fuses, some have an extra optional 64 bits of user signature, and some Atmel parts have a power down bit.Atmel's CUPL info says thisTable 10-1. Compiler Mode SelectionPAL Mode (5828 Fuses) GAL Mode (5892 Fuses) Power-down Mode(1) (5893 Fuses)WINCUPL P22V10 P22V10LCC G22V10 G22V10LCC G22V10CP G22V10CPLCC

author: Homer79
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 08, 2023, 11:32:19 pm
content: https://pan.baidu.com/s/1hqJdtpqI've found where they distribute the latest version of the software for the TOP programmersbut I'm having issues registering to download it. I've got V9.07, but thats a year old#PLD-AMDPLD AMD PALCE16V8H-10/4 ,PALCE16V8 1 ,vcc=5000PLD AMD PALCE16V8H-15 ,PALCE16V8 1 ,vcc=5000PLD AMD PALCE20V8H-10 ,PALCE20V8 1 ,vcc=5000PLD AMD PALCE22V10H-25 ,PALCE22V10 1 ,vcc=5000,vp1=10500,vp2=13000

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 08, 2023, 11:43:29 pm
content: PALCE are backwards compatible to GAL except programming. I used PALCE16V8 as replacement of multiple GAL for repair just fine.

author: PCB.Wiz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2023, 06:13:40 am
content: The age of recent releases is unlikely to matter for those old chips, as they arevery mature.

author: Beta_vulgaris
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2023, 07:40:40 am
content: PALCE16V8 EDIT MODE:Pin 1 CLKPin 2 SDINPin 3 HV1 VPP 9V25Pins 4-7 Mode4 5 6 7Bulk Erase L L L LInput Line Addressing H L L LProduct Term Addressing L H L LProgram H H L LVerify L L H LPin 8 HV2 PGMPin 9 PC5 #OEPin 10 GNDPin 11 PC7Pins 12-19 I/O Pins: Output 12 MSB -> LSB 19Pin 20 VCC 5V0Fromhttps://marc.info/?l=classiccmp&m=135672851823477.

author: iMo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2023, 01:01:37 pm
content: FYI- out of curiosity I've just downloaded the WinCupl off the mchp site (win10) and run several examples (in win gui). All works fine so far..

author: Homer79
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 23, 2023, 08:45:33 am
content: Here is a download link for the latest Topall8 software, it covers the 2013, 3000, 3100 versions.The 2013 version, which is pretty cheap on AliExpress, can program most of the more common PALCE chips,https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1DL1aJPB9PLxjamTzVWV3EA6_d6abIz7W?usp=drive_link