Keysight Scope Giveaway - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 12:24:45 am
content: Hi folks,If you see this post you probably already know by now, but:Register to win a free Keysight scope atwww.scopemonth.comWhat I want to know is, are you eligible? We want all of you to win and be eligible, but are curious how many of you actually are able to win it so we can work on it for future events.

author: fredboivin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 12:27:39 am
content: This giveaway would be awesome if I wasn't screwed over by the province of Quebec...

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 12:41:27 am
content: Be careful what you are signing up for:QuoteI suggest go and screw yourself. That's what you are going to do for entrants anyway, right?

author: Muxr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 02:06:40 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on February 13, 2016, 12:41:27 amYou assign all IP or copyrights of your entry. So your company name or whatever information you used to enter can be published if they want to announce the winner.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 02:47:05 am
content: QuoteThe web site needs a "create a quote" with a "Request price reduction to $1" checkmark.Someone approves it or not, not more than one quote per day, for thirty days.Easy.No list of countries, although shipping and tax might be a killer.From a whole floor of lawyers, someone should be able to figure out how to get it done.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 03:04:21 am
content: Register for Scope Month – Not Yet AvailableIs it not ready - or is being in Australia the problem?

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 03:05:29 am
content: Ah, always check the small print....Thank you for your interest. This offer is not yet available in your country. Here are some links you’ll find interesting:I suspect that's not going to change?

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 03:54:55 am
content: I don't quite understand the above poll in regards to the specified dates, maybe someone could direct me to the bit I'm missing which appears to be 28 days later, wasn't that a zombie movie ?.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 13, 2016, 07:18:39 am
content: The poll deadline and the sweepstakes period are independent things. The poll is so Daniel can see whether most people who cast a vote were eligible for the sweepstakes or not.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 09:41:32 am
content: Quote from: ataradov on February 13, 2016, 12:41:27 amFFS they are giving stuff away - if you don't like the terms, don't enter. What's your problem?The whole point is for publicity, so they need to be able to use entries for that or there's no point.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 09:54:27 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on February 15, 2016, 09:41:32 amMy problem is lawyers and their overly-broad statements. In this case, I don't care, I'm not submitting anything. But as long as this behavior is accepted, layers will keep putting stuff like this into licenses and contracts. And sometimes there is no real alternative, so you "agree", even if you really don't.Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on February 15, 2016, 09:41:32 amSo you submit your thing, and it is not yours anymore. Just like that. Surely, there is a way to allow conditional use without giving full IP rights.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 10:03:10 am
content: Interesting, they narrowed the list of the countries in the drop-down list to match those which actually are eligible in the rules. A week earlier this list was way longer and I "successfully" registered while selecting Latvia which is no longer there.

author: eeadata
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 10:28:52 am
content: TURKEY . Please tell us why not ?

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 11:21:42 am
content: I'm still scratching my head at Australia's non-inclusion.

author: pmcouto
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 12:49:07 pm
content: It seems that Portugal is not included…

author: fmaimon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 01:21:25 pm
content: I've just submitted my name and it was accepted, even if Brazil isn't listed in the list of eligible countries.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 02:12:54 pm
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on February 15, 2016, 09:41:32 amBecause I we have the feeling that they think of us, like we are somewhat lesser, and that is why we are not included. For me, If I would live like 200 Km away in any direction, it would be OK, but not here.

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2016, 04:14:50 pm
content: Quote from: NANDBlog on February 15, 2016, 02:12:54 pmusually it is country or regional laws (like in Quebec) that cause them to exclude areas. I have never heard of a company saying "Eh fuck em, they suck anyways" kind of attitude for excluding regions.

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2016, 12:46:10 am
content: Quote from: PedroDaGr8 on February 15, 2016, 04:14:50 pmYes, the exclusions are purely due to local legal compliance. Many regions have laws limiting or prohibiting this type of giveaway/contest, and we do our best to be compliant. Regarding us owning the entry, that's also a common rider for many giveaways. Basically, you can't sue us for you entering our contest (duh).Australia specifically has very, very complex regulations and a very long registration process with the local government. We definitely wanted to include Australia, we just couldn't do it in a legally compliant way.

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2016, 12:48:50 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on February 13, 2016, 02:47:05 amI actually thought of this and asked our legal team about it. It's a no-go. You'd just owe taxes on $(Discount - $1) because it's still part of a "contest."

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2016, 01:01:40 am
content: Quote from: Keysight_DanielBogdanoff on February 16, 2016, 12:46:10 amI will admit I don't know what the full legal situation is here in Australia - but I suspect the reason it is not easy is to make it difficult for sleazy operators, preventing them from using the system.I do remember years ago legally you could not hold a 'raffle' but you could have a game of skill - and where there was more than one successful entry, you could draw a winner out of a hat.The solution was to have a G _ _ S _ I N _ C _ M P _ T _ T I _ N

author: Dave
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 16, 2016, 01:04:30 am
content: I registered when Slovenia was still on the list, now they removed it. I guess that means I'm out of the scope draw.

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2016, 07:54:50 pm
content: Denmark and Finland, but no Norway? No way..I would have to pay VAT on any prize valued $1159 or above (25% of that is not insignificant), is this why you're excluding certain countries? Can't you just add the legalese of "you're responsible for any VAT and import fees" etc etc.Also, why a mandatory company name?

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2016, 08:16:44 pm
content: Quote from: TheAmmoniacal on February 16, 2016, 07:54:50 pmWe haven't excluded countries for taxation reasons. There are a lot of different laws regarding contests/giveaways and we are offering it everywhere that we legally can. There are restrictions on prize value, total prize value, skill based/random, etc.Winners will be notified and can choose to reject the prize if they don't want to pay the taxes, etc. I've also seen one winner of the "Dreambench" giveaway donate their winnings to the local makerspace. This way they didn't have to pay taxes on it because it was a "charitable donation."

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 16, 2016, 08:21:41 pm
content: Good to know! Always feel unfair being excluded, but there's probably good reasons.