Siglent SDS2000X HD, missing Features and Bugs - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2022, 10:51:12 pm
content: Hi,Starting a new one for the new one...Bugs I don´t explore one so far, but missing features I got some on my wishlist.Let me start with three.- 4 mathchannels, nearly every 4-ch scope from other brands got this.- Possibility to choose Black and White for "printing" the screen.Choosing channel/function colours, this already exists - But not explicit for the "printing".Means, you could different colours for on screen and what´s printing.- Digital filters (HP, LP, BP) with the possibility to choose cutoff independend from the actual timebase.This are the same features I´ve requested for my former SDS2K+.I was told, for performance reasons this wouldn´t be possible(math) and I´ve accepted that.But now I got a scope which costs more than double, they shouldn´t tell me the same again.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2022, 01:27:03 pm
content: Bug:After ending the Bode Analyze function, system returns to the last settings ( last several times...) but internal AWG still remains ON.(Also with external AWG)Another Bug :No screenshots possible when Bode Analyzer is activated ( NO Operation, just the Mode)(Works after Restart)

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2022, 04:46:35 pm
content: Maybe a bug:After ending Bode analyzer and returning, one channels´ratio will not turned back correctly.My tests are with the 10x probes on 2 channels (ch1 and ch3), both were detected as 10x.After ending Bode and falling back, ch3 is 1x, you have to plug out/in the probe again for 10x.(Hope I described it nearly clear)

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2022, 11:05:16 pm
content: Feature request:1. Bode plot - SpeedThe speed of the bode plot is awful, especially compared to other scopes on the market. Hopefully the implementation can be improved to increase the speed.2. Bode plot - Phase unwrapWhen measuring a circuit with output inverted compared to input, the phase jumps from -180 deg to 180 deg frequently, polluting the graph. Would be nice if the phase can be unwrapped.3. Acquisition - Low/High/Band pass filtersMy first oscilloscope, the Rigol DS1052E, which I believe is more than 10 years old, had fast Low/High/Band pass filtering performed (I beleive) in hardware, and is extremely helpful for characterising analog signals, which I believe is what 12-bit scopes are really for. I really hope some form of LP/HP/BP filtering function can be added to the scope.4. FFT - Logarithmic X axisWould be very helpful to get an option to display the frequency scale in log scale, so that lower frequency content can be viewed more clearly on measurements spanning multiple decades.5. FFT - Power/voltage density Y axis units (dBm/rt Hz, V/rt Hz)Given how low noise the front end is, and with a 12 bit ADC + hardware 3-bit ERES, makes this instrument great at analysing noise - potentially. Having the ability to display Y-axis in units like dBm/rt Hz, V/rt Hz in addition to the Log X axis feature requested above, would turn this instrument into an alternative to dynamic signal analysers (DSA). Hopefully Siglent can be the first to be able to do this, given their recent launch of multiple 12 bit scopes, I'd actually happily pay for such a software option.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2022, 11:25:17 pm
content: QuoteDirectly compared side by side or from your mind ?And: by the same amount of points ?Otherwise you can´t compare it.I´ve did bode plot with maximum points between 10hz and 1Mhz (99 points/dec), this last long without a question.But this won´t disturb me so much as the "fallback" time and the still activated generator and the not flawless recovered user settings on the channels before using bode.

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2022, 11:32:35 pm
content: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlJPiJpY6oQ&ab_channel=Rudi%E2%80%99sElectronicsLabRudi recently compared the Bode Plot function between the Siglent, Keysight and R&S entry level scopes, although the SDS2000X Plus was shown in the video, not the HD, the HD is just as slow as the Plus in my experience.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2022, 11:56:54 pm
content: Don't have an HD but do have the X+. One thing about the comparisons for Bode Plots I recall was the SDSX+ averages multiple times before plotting the data point, think the HD does also, which can extend the overall Bode Plot time to render the entire plot.Here's some comments on your (TQ) points.#1) Ability to select number of sample averages would be be useful.#2) Unwrap or ability to add phase offset.#3) Various filter implementations (LP, BP, HP) including types (Butterworth, Bessel, Chebshev, FIR) and order.#4) Maybe show a couple frequency marks within the decade when only one or two decades shown.#5) dBm/rt(Hz) or V/rt(Hz) would be really nice.Best,

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2022, 02:28:08 pm
content: Feature request:Bode Plot - External AWG channel selectionWhen using external AWG for performing bode plots, allow users to select which output channel to use for generating stimulus signal. Sometimes I have different setups for bode plot measurements, and it would be wonderful to not have to reach my AWG to swap out the cables every time.

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2022, 05:21:47 pm
content: Bug :When ERES is turned on, channel BW indicator should show resulting BW of measurement channel, or how much the BW is divided compared to "FULL", instead of showing "FULL", which according to the manual is not the case for ERES.

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2022, 01:58:42 pm
content: Feature request:Add SCPI commands for controlling the Bode Plot function and retrieving data.AFAIK, currently the only way to transfer the raw measurement data of the Bode Plot result to a computer, is by saving the data to a USB stick, and the only way to config and start a Bode Plot measurement is through the scope UI.Would be really nice if the Bode Plot can be configured, launched and have data retrieved remotely using SCPI commands.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 19, 2022, 08:03:08 pm
content: Hi,"Enhanced" features for the bode plot:Quotehttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/east-tester-et4410-esr-measure/msg4337092/#msg4337092https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/capacitive-impedance-plots-with-sds2104x-plus-bode-function/msg4337104/#msg4337104This would be a really nice thing and maybe not too complicated to realize..I just wonder why none of the "siglent-near bys" in the forum react to the idea of mawyatt so far(like "forget it", "nice thing, will forwarded it", etc).

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 17, 2022, 08:20:52 pm
content: Hi,After the first new FW release, the bug of closing the saving message manually still exist.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 24, 2022, 12:46:09 pm
content: Filemanager:Can´t recognize the memory of the usb stick before, when it´s full it simply aborted it with a short failed message.(Example: 8GB Stick is nearly full, nevertheless it starts to save data until stick is full)

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 27, 2022, 08:45:42 pm
content: I wonder if someone from siglent or their testers takes notice about this thread..

author: tomud
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2022, 05:32:18 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on September 27, 2022, 08:45:42 pmI'm afraid that unfortunately not...I guess they mostly rely on private bug reports from users. Some distributors, such as Tautech, seem to report problems described in the forum as well.This topic is probably the most useful for users and potential people who want to buy this oscilloscope (evaluation of the number of errors).

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2022, 07:57:23 am
content: Quote from: tomud on September 29, 2022, 05:32:18 amYes be afraid of a statement such that couldn't be further from the truth.Martin, why do you even ask such when you know better.Proving reported bugs takes time then more to write code to do the fix and it is not like a new firmware will be released for just one bug ! When a # have been solved and sent to beta testers for checking and another release is due then the public will get it.2 weeks since the last release is a little to soon to expect miracles.Last from 16/9/22https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS2000X_HD_V1.2.1.1_EN.zip

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2022, 08:25:09 am
content: Quote from: tomud on September 29, 2022, 05:32:18 amLots of the stuff written in this topic are not bugs at all, but personal views of some users and even some wishful thinking.Things you don't like how are implemented is not a bug. Some things will never be added because there is a limit what can be added.This topic (and others) are monitored.. It's just that real bugs need to time to investigate, make a solution, test and then release.Suggestions need to taken for consideration and vetted for validity and feasibility...Sometimes what seems simple (just another button you press and something happens) takes major rewrite of the part of the software... Or is limited by hardware.. In this world of daily software patching, people forget that you cannot download new part of PCB via firmware update..Also there must be understanding that a company won't publicly discuss (neither deny nor confirm) adding any features that might give it upper hand with competition..With all that said, feedback is welcome... And there are many things added based on feedback, but it might not be noted by users because it seems logical or someone else requested it so their request is unknown to you ...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2022, 11:57:35 am
content: QuoteI don´t expected to get an answer...Reactions here were a little bit low.Example when thinking it´s a bug but it isn´t, post it.Example when wishes are too "fantasy" because of limitations, post it.But no reaction makes you think none take notice about.

author: danils
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2022, 12:52:59 pm
content: Hi Guys,I confirm that on mine, after update to v1.2.1.1 the clock still "get confused". I set it to the right time and date and the next time I power it up, the clock is two hours ahead.Can you check on yours?Dan

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2022, 05:33:49 pm
content: Hi,Setting the right time, switch it off and then on - Time remains with right adjustment.But this was inbetween one minute, I´ll left it off till tomorrow, then check the time again.Martin

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 30, 2022, 08:46:41 pm
content: Update, after 3 hours without power turned the scope on...Date/Time remains the same as before, no problems so far.Perhaps you did not confirm the settings correctly?

author: danils
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2022, 12:07:55 pm
content: Thank you Martin, I will check it again today.Just a question, is your scope connected to LAN? Mine is not.Edit: I also completely remove power from the mains when not in use.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2022, 12:49:43 pm
content: Hi danils,Yesterday power was completely off for 3hrs and it´s not connected to LAN.Martin

author: danils
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2022, 11:48:44 am
content: Hi all,I experimented again with the clock setting and I still experience what, afaik, looks like "clock getting confused" bug.As you can see at the beginning of the video, firmware version is the last (1.2.1.1)It displays 00:11, I set it to 22:11 and cycling power, time is back to 00:11Do I miss something performing clock setting? The procedure I perform is the same showed in the user manual,Please refer to the video belowhttps://youtu.be/2gQLOtG5NPU

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2022, 01:00:14 pm
content: Hi,After days where my scope waspowered totally off, switched it on and the date/time is still correct...

author: danils
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2022, 02:42:10 pm
content: Thanks for feedback,I'll open a ticket with Siglent.Dan

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2022, 06:23:58 pm
content: Yepp, it seems to be a failure, me I I didn´t nothing different than you in your video.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2022, 08:09:21 pm
content: Quote from: danils on October 08, 2022, 11:48:44 amFWIW try installing the latest firmware again as how you changed the time is correct but it's not remembering it.Also try powering OFF with the power button to check if it remembers the time instead of OFF with the UI SW.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2022, 08:21:10 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on October 08, 2022, 08:09:21 pmI don't know if this was mentioned, but it is recommended to reset scope to factory defaults after FW update...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2022, 08:26:39 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on October 08, 2022, 08:21:10 pmWhere ?Actually I'm pursuing a thought danils clock issue could be shutdown method related.We need feedback to eliminate that it might be.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2022, 08:40:55 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on October 08, 2022, 08:26:39 pmWell let's say I recommend it then... :-)Sometimes new firmware does changes in internal data structures, and it makes sure all variables are properly initialized...I do think that your suggestion is a good one, don't get me wrong.... I just wanted to add another possible thing to try...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2022, 09:35:36 pm
content: Reset to factory defaults could be a good idea to prevent seeing ghost things...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2022, 12:03:19 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 08, 2022, 09:35:36 pmNah, ghost stuff appears at boot before you get the chance to run a Default.

author: danils
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2022, 11:04:53 am
content: Hi,Following your advice:1) I reinstalled the the last firmware2) I reset the scope to default3) I switched it off via the button instead of UI SWUnfortunately the bug is still there.Two hours ahead the time I set, but it is not incremental, so it is:12:00 -> 14:00 -> 14:00 -> 14:00 etc.andnot12:00 -> 14:00 ->16:00 ->18:00 etc.

author: luudee
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2022, 12:25:54 pm
content: Quote from: danils on October 09, 2022, 11:04:53 amFrom this discussion, it sounds like the back-up power source (battery or super cap) for the RTC has failed.I do not know how they are built, if the battery is in a socket, it might have gotten loose, or just expired ...Should be an easy check if you want to open the baby up ...luudee

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2022, 12:58:12 pm
content: Quote from: luudee on October 09, 2022, 12:25:54 pmNo it is not RTC battery...It doesn't forget time and date.It is some kind of time zone recalculation problem.

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2022, 01:37:02 pm
content: Not a bug, but it would be interesting to be able to reduce the significant digits in the measurements to 2 or 1 digits. 4 is too much imo

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2022, 03:00:36 pm
content: Quote from: PartialDischarge on October 09, 2022, 01:37:02 pmWhich ones exactly do you mean?

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2022, 03:10:39 pm
content: These ones, seeing 4 digits after the comma makes it harder to read the number

author: danils
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2022, 08:46:50 pm
content: A mini bug,Two different mouse pointers before and after the screensaver activated

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2022, 08:49:36 pm
content: LOL, didn´t recognize it so far...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2022, 03:56:20 pm
content: Quote from: danils on October 09, 2022, 11:04:53 amFactory Tech support can reproduce it.It caused by the time zone set to Europe/Rome.Sent to R&D to fix.Suggested workaround is instead set time zone to UTC.

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2022, 04:31:03 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on October 11, 2022, 03:56:20 pmBetter: Europe/Berlin

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2022, 08:59:18 pm
content: Quote from: tv84 on October 11, 2022, 04:31:03 pmGentlemen, we have a bug....As mentioned the last posts here, my adjusted time never gets "lost", even when it´s completely powered off for days.Now:Seeing tv84 post and thought, good idea.My timezone was UTC, so I´ve switched it to European/Berlin and bingo...After re-start, the adjusted time is lost, instead of e.g. 22h35 it shows 0h35, Date stays correct.Switching back to UTC, adjusting the time to 22h35, restart....It stays, no lost.Thx to danils for finding this.Feature wanted :Today we did a kind of "technology transfer":A project where we use a old lecroy 9310, we want to use the siglent in the future for it.So we test it if this was a problem concerning math and several measure displying - Not it wasn´t, good.But:We got both scopes on, on the lecroy when you change the vertical scale, the zeroline always stays where it is while on the siglent the line is gone and you have to readjust to have it in the middle.Example : 5V/div., decreasing to 2V/div., old lecroy let the trace where it is, a marker appear and shows in which direction the 0V are (above or under).Very nice, want to have it on the siglent also...Wanted polish:FFT....Splitscreen mode is a nice and useful thing, but it has an annoying effect:To get the full amplitudes visible the minimum scaling is 20dB/div. which is sometimes too much, when switching to 10dB/div., it goes "out of the screen".A kind of compressed displaying would be good like the lecroy did when it is in split mode /dual grid.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2022, 09:06:08 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 11, 2022, 08:59:18 pmFloating not Fixed Vertical Reference level setting ?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2022, 09:36:20 pm
content: Hmmm....RTFM again, Rob ?Will have a look.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2022, 06:52:21 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 11, 2022, 09:36:20 pmMaybe you just haven't used the Reference Position feature on the Siglent DSO's you've had.It offers fixed reference positions for both horizontal and vertical adjustments so when your waveform has reference positions that are not default (0s, 0V) the positionsorwaveform remain on the display regardless of adjustments made.Really handy for the Horizontal position in particular when you need the 0s position off near the left edge of the display to accommodate full packets of data for example.For the Vertical reference it allows for a vertical zoom onto the top of a waveform but drives the 0V reference position off the bottom of the display.Utility>System>Reference Pos is where you set all this to best suit your job or just preferences.Do remember that both H and V reference positions (0s, 0V) are always displayed in the timebase and channel tabs.Screenshot for study with the Reference Pos menu open.

author: jord4231
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2022, 03:10:53 am
content: Yep I got bugs with the time aswellSet to Australia/Sydney.More annoying than that it keeps dropping my static IP I set.Keeps defaulting to 0.0.0.0

author: jord4231
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2022, 03:18:46 am
content: Actually scrap that, something else hopped on the network taking its assigned ip

author: Frankupthehall
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2022, 11:11:40 am
content: Hey Folks,I got a demo unit the other day from my local Siglent guy, I played around with it over the day. It's a fun and cute (compared to the SDS6000) little unit , no major issues until I turned the unit off.I noticed an audible hum from, what I presume, is the power supply; probably some low power instability. I had to actually unplug the unit for it to go away (which first makes the hum climb in frequency; sounds funny).Curious if anybody else has noticed this or if it may just be a bad power supply?

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2022, 11:19:27 am
content: Quote from: Frankupthehall on October 21, 2022, 11:11:40 amNope mine is completely silent

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2022, 11:22:57 am
content: Hi,Yes in Standby you can hear the supply - How loud depends on your own sensivity.Possible solutions were to use a load resistor at the cost of low standby power or to glue the "singing" components inside.Or, best, totally powering off.

author: Frankupthehall
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2022, 11:55:55 am
content: Quote from: PartialDischarge on October 21, 2022, 11:19:27 amGlad to know I'm not crazy!Quote from: Martin72 on October 21, 2022, 11:22:57 amIt sounds like a mosquito flying in your ear; intolerable. I used my phone to see where the hum was in the spectrum, attached for curiosity sake.I can't imagine opening a brand new scope (brand new demo unit mind you!) and adding a load resistor to the power supply to fix something that shouldn't even be there in the first place. It would be an option if I had actually purchased the unit and was a few months into it's use before it showed up.

author: jord4231
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2022, 07:44:26 pm
content: Mine has a high pitched sound when in standby, it drives me crazy my lab is fairly quiet.Does the scope you have sound like mine? I've got an audio clip in this video towards the end.https://youtu.be/rvn4mzTLlnA

author: Frankupthehall
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2022, 08:42:17 pm
content: Quote from: jord4231 on October 21, 2022, 07:44:26 pmThe whine during stand-by, that's it! Mine also does the same pitch "shoot into space" when pulling the plug; no point in making a recording or video myself since your video does a perfect job at pointing it out. I wouldn't be able to have the thing sit around plugged in for the same reasons, my office/lab space is rather quiet and it'd drive me nuts.I suspect it's either some audible range pulse-skipping frequency in low power mode, some mechanical vibration in an XMFR in the PSU, or maybe even instability at low power. I doubt it's fixable in software unless perhaps a sub-system is left on during standby to add enough load to have the whine exit the audible range. Just my thoughts.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2022, 09:00:06 pm
content: It´s a supply from meanwell:EPS120-12I think the coil from the output could be the "singer" (Pic)...My solution is on the other pic.

author: Frankupthehall
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2022, 10:07:46 pm
content: What happens if you encase the coil in nail polish (if you have some handy)? That or varnish, something to stop the wires from moving.I can appreciate the practicality of simply turning the bar off. But I'm of the opinion that a scope at this level should at least not whine about being off once and a while.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2022, 10:29:03 pm
content: Mostly the psus of other scopes are hiding under the metal-case, so if they "sing" (not unsual behaviour under no load condition) you probably won´t hear it.This one here is outside this case mounted.Got the advantage, it couldn´t stray directly into the circuits, disadvantage sensitive people could hear something.Sure it´s not nice, maybe siglent could do an exchange of "noisy" psus or let the warranty remain if it will be fixed by customer himself.Edit see pics

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2022, 02:10:15 am
content: Bug, or massive oversight.Digital channels have sluggish response and low update rate, with waveform update rate of 16 wfm/s (100ns/div, 2kpts, 8 channel) observed by a couple of owners.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2022, 06:53:19 pm
content: Here a wish, siglent can fulfill when they´re having nothing else to do or lost a bet or got a apprentice who needs a task...Decoder-feature:Decoding of IR-transmitting codes, Like RC-5 and others for checking functionality of remote controls.This would be absolute unique in the scope world, no one have this feature...So maybe someday in the future, when everything was done, before EOL a last present...Martin

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2022, 07:08:45 pm
content: I have a problem with the time, more precisely the time zone.if I set it to UTC, the time is correct and stays correctif I set it to europe/paris as it should be, then set the time, it is ok if I restart the time is 1 hour too muchcouldn't you set it with an ntp server ? it would be automatic.I have the last actual firmware 1.2.1.1

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2022, 07:18:53 pm
content: Hi,See:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-missing-features-and-bugs/msg4458874/#msg4458874

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2022, 07:54:56 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 12, 2022, 07:18:53 pmnoted, but I still consider this as a bug that can be fixed in a future firmware...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 12, 2022, 08:25:02 pm
content: Therefore I´ve wrote in the linked post:Quote

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 15, 2022, 07:26:15 am
content: one feature I would like, is to have a way to measure calculated values.like the formula editor for maths channels, but for advanced measurements.measure built-in things, like width and duty cycle, and for example display also some calculated value with these two.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 07:24:42 am
content: something I don't understand too is why the AWG is only a 25MHz one, and the AWG in the SDS plus is a 50MHz onealso this AWG doesn't have any modulation capabilities ? only simple straight frequency signal ?it is then only usefull for making bode plots ?

author: colorado.rob
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 02:32:30 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 12, 2022, 06:53:19 pmAdd support for the SDS2000X HD to Sigrok.https://sigrok.org/wiki/Protocol_decodershttps://sigrok.org/wiki/PulseViewYou can do this with any of the existing supported scopes.Now, finding a way to integrate sigrok & PulseView into their scopes natively would be truly mind-blowing.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 16, 2022, 02:48:26 pm
content: the sds2000(plus) is already detected by sigrok pulseview. so the HD should also be in. will test in a few hours.edit: tried to connect to the 2000hd with pulseview using lan connexion (my computer is too far from the scope to use usb)and I did not succeed to connect to the scope... using port 5025. any hint ?edit2: after playing with pulseview trying to connect, just found the scope completely stuck. no button no touch screen. had to force restart.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 08:01:24 pm
content: if you hit the default button, it resets everything, but does not detect the 10x probes (the ones that are shipped with the scope)you must unplug and replug the probe and it detects the 10x again.

author: colorado.rob
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 08:30:12 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 16, 2022, 02:48:26 pmYou might try the SCPI commands listed here:https://siglentna.com/operating-tip/spd-local-front-panel-lock-out-scpi-commands/@tautech does the 2000HD have a front-panel lockout when using SCPI?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 08:38:43 pm
content: Quote from: colorado.rob on November 17, 2022, 08:30:12 pmDunno, is it not in the HD programming guide ?https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/22_07_25/SDS2000X%20HD_ProgrammingGuide_EN11C.pdf

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 08:50:47 pm
content: Quote from: colorado.rob on November 17, 2022, 08:30:12 pmthe web interface of the scope was stuck too. so not possible to send a scpi command. no other option than force restart...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 09:02:06 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 17, 2022, 08:50:47 pmHmmm, just went looking for HD drivers and there isn't any.https://int.siglent.com/download/drivers/?ProId=63Sinisa, can you check this stuff out as we still don't have an HD ?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 09:03:38 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 17, 2022, 08:38:43 pmThe link won´t work (404 error)..

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 09:21:59 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 17, 2022, 09:03:38 pmThanks, will report.Got from here:https://int.siglent.com/download/documents/?ProId=63Looking into Siglent EU resources:https://www.siglenteu.com//wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2022/07/SDS_ProgrammingGuide_EN11C.pdfUSA:https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2022/07/SDS_ProgrammingGuide_EN11C-2.pdf

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 09:36:32 pm
content: Quotedoes not link too. you get to siglent main page.must be some restricted area we folks can't access ?

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 09:43:51 pm
content: Here.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 17, 2022, 09:48:04 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 17, 2022, 09:36:32 pmWenn tautech are linking to int.siglent I must click twice on it, first click redirects you, closing it and click on it again.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2022, 10:00:37 pm
content: is it possible to decode channels 1-4 as hex value ? the decode analysis seems to work only for digital channels ?and I did not find how to display pure hex values, without any i2c or spi or else protocol.should be the same problem on non HD models.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2022, 10:10:15 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 21, 2022, 10:00:37 pmYou will find it from Decode main menu/Bus Display.Quickly snapped screenshot attached.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2022, 10:12:27 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 21, 2022, 10:00:37 pmCan you please explain in more detail what you mean?

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2022, 10:16:00 pm
content: I don't have the digital probe. I would like to use the analog channels to display a decoded hexvalue from these channels only.and they don't have any protocol, just display the hex value that the 4 analog channels represent.it seems you are forced to choose a protocol among i2c,spi,uart etc..., you can't have no protocol, just hex values displayed ?like a basic logic analyzer ?it should be "grouping" on a bus, but seems you can only make a bus from a selection of digital channel.seems I will have to use sigrok to do that. ... once sigrok will be able to connect to the scope with LAN...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 21, 2022, 10:21:46 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 21, 2022, 10:16:00 pmOh like a 4 bit digital bus...?No,you cannot do that.You can trigger like that (logically from analog channels) but paralel decode is only for digital channels... Sorry.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 08:19:16 pm
content: It would also be nice to have access to the file manager and the files stored in the scope like a screenshot made with the save button,from the web interface.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 08:50:19 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 24, 2022, 08:19:16 pmWhat you can do is that you can map windows share on the scope, so save goes directly to server (or PC)..

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 09:19:03 pm
content: yes I've seen that, but I think it would be more user friendly to do it the other way, from the web interfaceyou press save on the scope each time you want to have a screenshot, it's faster than save to a network drive you have many buttons to clicthen go to your computer, and download all the saved screenshots at once.what do you think ?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 09:25:12 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 24, 2022, 09:19:03 pmSome models in webserver mode offer a virtual Save Screenshot button that ports screenshots directly to your browsers download folder. SDS11/1204X-E certainly has this feature.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 09:43:58 pm
content: not ideal too as my computer is quite far away from the scope.better (for me at least) to save directly on the scope, then download all needed screenshots once I am on the computer.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 09:49:51 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 24, 2022, 09:43:58 pmYou might need to set up a folder with File Manager and use Save/Recall to direct the screenshot to that folder then when at the PC grab the whole folder.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 09:54:24 pm
content: yes, but as I said above, this involves many clics before the screenshot is savedpressing the save button once for each screen capture is far easier and faster.I don't think implementing a file download from the web interface should be that difficult.I could do the save button, then use the file manager to copy all the screenshots to the network driveagain, I don't do scope firmware programming, but implementing a file download from a web interface must be easy ?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 10:00:31 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 24, 2022, 09:19:03 pmNo it does not. You map drive and make it permanent. And then you need to save to that mapped folder once, and all following saves go into that folders.So map folder, one save with menu to mapped folder, and then you only keep pressing Save button....

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 10:03:07 pm
content: I think after 4 pages it could be the time to get all wanted features and (maybe) bugs together in a table as a oversight.Maybe the forthcoming weekend I´ll do it.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 10:05:45 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 24, 2022, 09:54:24 pmThat's something we need explore as a required functionality that certainly could lead to a feature request.I only have SDS6000A here currently but I expect it has the same functionality as the HD but I'll try to find time to dig deeper into what functionality is currently available.Give the beta testers a chance to explore this and maybe propose a request to Siglent as it might cover a # of models.Quote from: 2N3055 on November 24, 2022, 10:00:31 pmOh is it that simple, need to explore this.....

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 10:10:56 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on November 24, 2022, 10:05:45 pmWell, I like things optimized...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2022, 09:58:57 pm
content: Summary of the thread so far, post will be edited the next days with links to the posts.Bugs(or not):- Bode Plot: After ending this, system falls back but awg (int/ext) remains on with a signal.- Bode Plot2: After ending, system fallback is not proper, previous user settings on the channels won´t be fully resumed.- Eres: When active, bandwithlimit caused through this will not be shown in the dialogbox- Saving screenshots message : Must be closed manually, should be closed after a few seconds automatically.- Filemanager: Can´t recognize the saving space on a usb stick before, will do saving until stick is full and then aborted it with a failure message- Timezone: Setting a timezone will be "forgotten" in some cases.- Mousepointer "Mini Bug": Different pointer design before/after screensaver was active.- Digital channels: Very slow updaterate of 16 wfms/s (SDS2000X plus : over 2000)- Probe detection: When using the default button, everything will be resetted, but probes ratio won´t be setting correctly, you have to disconnect and reconnect them for detection.WantedFeatures:- 4 Mathchannels instead of two- "Printing" in Black&White only possibility- Bode Plot speed up, it´s one of the slowest on the "market".- Bode plot2: Phase unwrap function)- Acquisition: Implementation of LP/HP/BP filters ( should be already done with the first FW update @TopQuark?)- FFT: Logarhytmic X axis- FFT2: Power/voltage density Y axis units (dBm/rt Hz, V/rt Hz)- Bode Plot3: Channel selection on external awgs- Bode Plot4: Add SCPI commands for controlling the Bode Plot function and retrieving data.- Bode Plot5:Enhanced Features- Measurements: Possibility to change the digits of shown value from 4 to 2 or 1 after the comma.- FFT3: Scaling, when in spilt mode the lowest setting is 20dB/div. which is sometimes too coarse, min. 10dB/div. should be possible without getting the signal out of the visible range.-Measuring of calculated values- FFT4: "Distortion Analyzer Mode" : Showing the values of the single harmonics in percent, showing the THD in percent.

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2022, 10:18:45 pm
content: Don't forget the Bode Cal "Thru" feature, this normalizes amplitude and phase measurements something like with a VNA.Best,

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2022, 10:31:15 pm
content: another weird thing I noticed today, trying to trigger on an i2c signalin the signal submenu, you define the scl and sda channels source and you specify the threshold of the signalsif you clic on the "universal" button, it detects for you the level automatically, but not always, the signals must be on the top of the screenor it fills some values that are too high, and the trigger signal never happen.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2022, 10:44:42 pm
content: Interesting, can try to reproduce it on my siglent demoboard.Apart from this, at work we never use the serial triggers, we use edge with defined holdoff because setting the serial triggers made us crazy...With one exception:On our newer lecroy scopes this is never a problem.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2022, 09:31:49 am
content: HD in our hands before it goes to a customer.Clock and timezone seem stable with latest V1.2.1.1 FW. < now proven otherwise.Defaults IMO that need changing, Menu hide = OFF, Save (screenshot) to Include Menu = ONNegative image Save works OK.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2022, 09:43:16 am
content: can you please try to connect a lan to the scope, then switch off and on and see if the time is still at the same hour ?and before that select your time zone, not UTCI have installed 1.2.1.1 FW and I cna assure you time hour is not stable after restart...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2022, 10:18:41 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on November 28, 2022, 09:43:16 amCorrect, it seems to sync to some NTP server if LAN connected and not account for local DST therefore boots 1hr wrong.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 28, 2022, 10:25:47 am
content: you may be correct, it's possible that just the DST is not taken into account with the timezone setting.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 15, 2022, 11:22:43 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 27, 2022, 09:58:57 pmUpdate: Adding "FFT4", would be very useful and afaik unique to have it.And shouldn´t be such a big problem to implement...Generally it would be nice if siglent would realize some if not the most feature wishes if possible, depending of the model.With the launch of the new rigol models having more and unique features would be useful to keep them in a distance....

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 17, 2022, 12:39:30 am
content: Hi,Don´t know if this is a "bug" or a wanted feature:Roll mode...You can only reach it in the vertical drop down menu, not in the timebase menu where I expect to find it like other scopes it got.Wanted feature:Having Eres access in the channel dialogbox.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 04:57:15 pm
content: is it possible to use the internal AWG to make bode plots ? I don't find how to do that ? seems you absolutely need an external (and siglent) AWG.wouldn't it be a great feature to implement ?edit: ok found it 30s after asking here ...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 06:32:44 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on December 18, 2022, 04:57:15 pm

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 06:39:09 pm
content: this is the consequence of reading the Fu... manual or experiment with the scope....and here the manual tells nothing about it !I just powered the scope, and found the answer within some clics...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 18, 2022, 07:05:46 pm
content: Hi,QuoteTwo times...In the overview(page 248):At this time, either the SIGLENT SAG1021I arbitrary waveform generatoror one of a SIGLENT SDG series arbitrary function generators are supported.Where the SAG is the internal generator and here, 28.2.1 (page 249):C. Arbitrary waveform generator connection settings. Touch Interface to select theconnection typeOK, it´s not crystal clear but it´s mentioned.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 04:38:46 pm
content: Gentlemen, either it´s a bug or I got a defective scope...It also only affects the 2nd channel, not other channel.Problem: Feeding a signal, e.g. a sinvewave with an amplitude of say 700mVpp, setting the vertical to 200mV/div., no problem at all, will be correct displayed (+/-350mV).BUT:If you decrease to 100mV/Div. the signal gets out of the display range as if you decrease it to much.And now the scary thing:Turning on ch1...everything gets fine on ch2, signal will be correct displayed inbetween +/- 350mV....It´s only on ch2..And it must be ch1, if you turn on ch3 or 4, it stays out of range....I´ve been away from keyboard now, for good reasons...In a few hours I´ll load a short vid up.Man, this makes me scary...

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 05:06:51 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on December 24, 2022, 04:38:46 pmEthanol clearance speed is roughly 6 - 8g/h (variations depending personal individual parameters)

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 05:37:59 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on December 24, 2022, 04:38:46 pmOn mine with fw 1.2.11 I cannot reproduce.. Even with glass of whiskey.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 07:19:40 pm
content: https://youtu.be/zkSxjn4w6tgNo alcohol..

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 07:25:28 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on December 24, 2022, 07:19:40 pmMy deepest sympathies.On our way out for Xmas brunch quite soon where I guess we will tuck away a few with our lifelong friends as our kids are all elsewhere this Christmas.Have a good one everybody.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 07:35:57 pm
content: First link was a short, here the full onehttps://youtu.be/th9l7JA4lbc

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 07:44:42 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on December 24, 2022, 07:19:40 pmYou'll need to explain me better the setup. On mine it is not happening when toggling CH1.I will look into it in detail, one of these days.. Like Rob, family time..Reset to defaults and try again. Try also toggling 50Ω/1MΩ on both channels.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 11:16:50 pm
content: Home at last...It´s only channel 2 affected.Settings on scope to default, it stays.Also when turning off/on.When ch1 is active, you can decrease ch2 under 200mV/div and it "follows" the setting as expected.But when ch1 is off, it "freaks out" when you setting it below 200mV/div.It´s depending on ch1 active/not active.Ch1 is not affected.It´s only on ch2...."Tomorrow" I´ll test and report it again.Martin

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2022, 11:40:30 pm
content: Apart from this, for mycomparison threadI´ve used both mathchannels at the same time, for the first time..Scope is getting slow when both channels are active, in my case both with FFT, more slowish it gets when measurings are active.But that was to be expected, therefore no problem.The following caught my eye:-In exclusive mode, both traces are visible in one grid area, as expected(changed the trace colours for better visibility).-Wish: Having the split mode in such manner, that the two FFT traces will be displayed in different grid areas without the sources.When you change from exclusive in split mode, in the upper grid area the two sources will displayed, in the lower the two FFT traces.-Labeling: I´ve renamed the math traces in SDG1062X and SDG2122X, so far so good.But the tables won´t be renamed, they still got F1 and F2 as name -Wish: Tables could be also renamed.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2022, 10:48:45 am
content: QuoteDid it before the next family round starts.."Effect" still persists.Regardless of the input impedance 1M or 50ohm.And it´s getting more weird:Feeding a signal with 100mVpp (50mVpeak)....As written, at 200mV/div. everythings OK.100mV/div only function when ch1 is also active, if not the signal is way out of range from the display.This is what I´ve wrote yesterday and it´s still persist.But I test further:It is 100mV AND 50mV/div (or 1V and 500mV when probe 10:1) and now the weird part:At 20mV/div signal is normal displayed regardless if ch1 is active or not.Summary:Ch2 stand alone,20mV/div,50mV/div., 100mV/div,200mV/div.Ch2 and Ch1 active20mV/div, 50mV/div, 100mV/div, 200mV/div.Make a video from when phone is charged.Martin

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2022, 11:27:40 am
content: UPDATE:Now everything worksOK....What have I done ?Setting to defaults didn´t have an effect yesterday, also turning on/off the scope.Today the "error" persists as I´ve written the last post here.The last "joker" that came into my mind was to let the scope doing self calibration.And now...no issues on ch2..Should I be happy ?What was the explanation for this behaviour...See again the longer video:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-missing-features-and-bugs/msg4600561/#msg4600561Never got this before with all my scopes including the sds2000X+.Why adding ch1 and then everything was OK on ch2...Now doing a self cal and the haunting is over as it came.I should be glad and happy now, but I´m not.I have a suspicion that I will investigate today.After visiting the family...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2022, 08:52:52 pm
content: QuoteNothing, leaving the scope on for hours (warming up) doesn´t have any effect.After self-calibration a few hours ago, it still works normally.I mean, when you got a little bit offset on a channel you use self-cal to minimize it, but this ?!Well, it is what it is and now it´s fine.Hm.Martin

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2022, 08:30:52 pm
content: Maybe a bug:FFT, tracecolour is red, when in split mode, tracecolour is pink....Edit:When you have a closer look to the pics in the link, there´s some pink in it, somekind of "overlay"...is it a kind of "integrated color-grading" ?https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/comparison-between-siglent-sdg1000x-and-2000x/msg4602865/#msg4602865

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2022, 12:45:14 pm
content: Hi all,got my SDS2104X HD in December. Sent it back because of a minor pixel defect, and got another one one day before Christmas. I did't read each post here in detail, but I wonder if anybody already played around with the cursor functionality. When I try to select the cursor mode, under measure item there is only the item"NULL"visible, and the activated universal rotary knob only adjusts the screen intensity. Maybe I'm stupid, but that can't be right... Can anybody pls confirm this?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2022, 02:19:36 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on December 28, 2022, 12:45:14 pmDrop down that Mode menu..You will have a choice of Manual, Track and Measure..Measure works together with, well, Measurements.Which means you need to enable some measurements first, and then chose which one will be connected with cursors.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2022, 02:44:34 pm
content: QuoteAaaaah- got it (the penny has dropped)I figured it out - but its only working with custom measurements, and theactivateduniversal knob is still adjusting the screen brightnessTo defend myself - the manual is not really clear about this topic...Thanks for your help!!

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2022, 03:05:36 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on December 28, 2022, 02:44:34 pmYou have to make sure that topic you want to adjust with knob is selected in menu.What do you mean by custom measurements?

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2022, 03:33:44 pm
content: QuoteRight, otherwise the cursor(s) would not show anything. As you can see on the attached screenshot, the cursors are attached to the period measurement of channel 1. When turning the knob, the intensity is adjusted.QuoteThe Measurement menu offers Basic and Custom measurements, only when I choose Custom - the Cursors Measure Item box shows the available measurements.

author: JBK
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 30, 2022, 06:53:23 pm
content: Just purchased a Siglent SDS2104X HD from TEquipment.com thanks to this forum. This is my first scope. It should arrive sometime next week. Is there an owners thread for the SDS2000X HD series?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2022, 07:17:10 pm
content: Hi,Yes, two...This one here and the other:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/msg3932408/#msg3932408

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2022, 07:34:14 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on December 26, 2022, 08:30:52 pmWell, the time domain representation got the color of the corresponding input channel (Ch. 2) whereas the math trace got the color of the corresponding math channel (F 1). They both happen to appear somewhat similar, but nothing out of the ordinary

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 01, 2023, 02:06:21 am
content: Hi,When I select the color red for F1, I expect F1 to be displayed in red and not in pink (while the axes label is displayed in red).

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2023, 09:58:34 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on December 25, 2022, 08:52:52 pmAfter another owner had thesame problem, and he even had to do the self-calibration more often, it is worth keeping an eye on...

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2023, 05:25:02 pm
content: SPI bus decoding doesn't work properly.0x44 is decoded as 0x45 and 0x00 as 0x01. It seems a one is added at the end because the SPI MOSI is high when idle.Me bad, it does work. The various options to select the phase and edges are under the trigger menu...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2023, 06:22:08 pm
content: Try using the Clk Sense for the trigger channel.Unusual some waveforms are Idle High but not all.

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2023, 07:42:30 pm
content: Thanks, I got it working now. The various trigger options are located under the trigger button. I edited me original post to which now reflects my own stupidity.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2023, 08:13:50 pm
content: Quote from: temperance on January 10, 2023, 07:42:30 pmYes but how you configure decoding is more important.All you need for simple decoding is to get the edge set correctly on the correct trace and Holdoff to prevent retriggering until after the largest byte. Without a CLK we would use the CS.We can work through this more if you wish but in the HD thread.

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2023, 09:10:50 pm
content: Thank you for the offer, I found out how it works and the displayed numbers agree with what's being sent.Meanwhile I've been reading the manual.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2023, 09:29:03 pm
content: IMHO a bug:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/msg4632094/#msg4632094When zoom mode is active, changes in channelsetting won´t be refreshed in the infobox.(Example infobox shows 10V/div and won´t change, even when you set the vertical down to say 2V/div.(on screen display).

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2023, 06:10:12 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on January 11, 2023, 09:29:03 pmSorry, but I cannot see any anomalies here.What I can see in your linked screenshot are the following settings (correctly displayed in their respective places):Main Window:Timebase: 20.0 ms/div, 2.79 ms offsetCh.2: 1x 200 mV/div, 0.00V offsetCh.4: 10x 2.00 V/div, 0.00V offsetZoom Window:Timebase: 200 µs/div, 2.694 ms offsetCh.2: 100 mV/div, 0.00V offsetCh.4: 1.00 V/div, 0.00V offsetThe measurement doesn't tell its source, but I suspect it's still taken from the main window. If you want it to be specifically from the zoom window, then you have to specify the zoom trace Z as measurement source. And - the next trap for youngplayers - any RMS measurement on the zoome trace will give false results except when the period of the signal is an integer fraction of the screen width (seems to be the case in your screenshot). RMS is good for long captures with many periods, but dangerous otherwise. Use Cycle-RMS when in doubt.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2023, 07:04:36 am
content: Hi,The pic in the post doesn't show it.I'll make a short video from it, at the evening.The reading was taken at random, had no other meaning/intention.

author: danils
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2023, 03:31:15 pm
content: Well, just a personal thought:I'd enlarge the scroll bar on the right side menu.Actually it's barely visible and almost impossible to grab using mouse...

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2023, 03:41:43 pm
content: Quote from: danils on January 12, 2023, 03:31:15 pmor allow the scroll using the mouse wheel when the mouse is over the menu ?it would leave space, and still allow to scroll the menu.

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2023, 05:50:15 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on January 12, 2023, 03:41:43 pmWith mouse it is not nessessary to use this scroll bar at all. It is only information for your eyes. Just position mouse to what ever place on side menu, and drag with the mouse left button pressed.Just same as you do without mouse with finger (somehow same kind of logic, finger press (touch) screen and drag. With mouse, finger touched (pressed) left button and drag moving mouse.Still I hope Siglent think again what is right place for "return" button in menu. My opinion is that it need be visible always so that if I open what ever menu and if want return to previous menu no need scroll for find return button.Sidenote / cannot be done with the mouse wheel. There need do redesign so many things if do this. Now with mouse + left button it works well.The mouse wheel has another important function in menus and should not be interfered with in any way. Namely, if we use the scroll to move the menu, what about when the cursor hits the field during the move where we use the scroll to change the numeric value. The result was a complete mess.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2023, 09:48:06 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on January 11, 2023, 09:29:03 pmThis is not correct what I´ve written.When in zoom mode, you can´t change the main setting on the channel as I wanted to do yesterday.Channelbutton is highlighted, channel infobox is highlighted but this means only that you now change something in the zoom of this channel.So no bug, but irritating (because by highlighting the channel you think you can now set something on the channel itself, as is otherwise the case).

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2023, 10:44:11 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on January 12, 2023, 09:48:06 pmMartin,if you are in a zoom mode, you can tap with finger in upper portion of screen (that shows full channel data ) and you will control channel directly. If you tap zoomed portion, you control zoomed view. So:1.Select channel2. Tap the inside top window or zoomed portion window3. set Vertical with knob for the item in question..Also tapping on shown V/div for zoom or channels selects and calls up respective window. THere is also zoomed timebase dialog

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2023, 09:51:49 am
content: Hello,I have not been able to reproduce it, but about a handful of times during the last 6 weeks, the scope has frozen while the screensaver was active. Last night it happened, when I stick in a memory stick into the front usb port. Anybody experienced simillar?Best regards - Ulrich

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2023, 12:50:34 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on January 23, 2023, 09:51:49 amWe need know firmware version, USB stick brand, size and format type.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2023, 01:30:48 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on January 23, 2023, 12:50:34 pmScope FW is 1.2.1.1USB Stick is a SanDisk Ultra Fit USB 3.1 Flash Drive - 64GBJust reproduced it : Remove the stick, wait until the screensaver comes up, stick the memory stick in - scope freezes

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2023, 03:47:18 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on January 23, 2023, 01:30:48 pmFormat?With Sandisk extreme 32GB I cannot reproduce.. FAT32, 16K sectors

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2023, 06:19:22 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on January 23, 2023, 03:47:18 pmThat might be the problem for USB sticks >32GB, with a size of 64GB its formated as exFAT?(I didn't check when I bought it)Reformatted the stick with NTFS, seems working now...Thanks for checking.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2023, 06:34:14 am
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on January 24, 2023, 06:19:22 amPlease be aware FAT32 is the recommended format:https://www.siglenteu.com/operating-tip/save-external-usb-sds-series-oscilloscopes/

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2023, 07:10:00 am
content: even if FAT32 is recommended, a simple stick formatted with something else should not freeze the scope ...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2023, 07:35:48 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on January 24, 2023, 07:10:00 am100%I've been lobbying Siglent to provide a USB stick with every instrument preloaded with all manuals and SW like they do on the CD's supplied to some markets......but who has CD players these days ?This would have the benefit of providing a known compatible USB stick for every instrument and should it ever need to be recovered the correct disk format is crucial to success.We help with a lot of these worldwide and the USB stick format is absolutely crucial to success.8GB max in FAT32 with 4k clusters and it works most every time.

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2023, 08:38:55 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on January 24, 2023, 07:10:00 amIt is not just only "recommended".It is absolutely mandatory to use native FAT32.---What makes an engineer put something other than what the manufacturer says is compatible in that hole. Nevertheless, even if mechanical compatibility exists.There are three things. Mechanical compatibility. Electronic compatibility. These two are called as HW compatibility.In addition to these, there will be SW compatibility.All of these three conditions must be true togehter (AND). Only when all conditions are true then insert it in hole.Should measuring devices, designed for trained engineers and technicians, also have so-called "blonde compatibility": Put anything in the hole and everything will work, or at least not lose consciousness.

author: switchabl
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2023, 02:10:02 pm
content: Quote from: rf-loop on January 24, 2023, 08:38:55 amSo basically... real men don't need error handling?Sorry, but it's a USB port, not a test connector. There is no reason it can't just beep, complain and then ignore it. Everyone else seems to manage. It's a bug, should be fixed, probably will be fixed. End of story, no need to defend it.A cynic might add that, of course, engineers don't read the manual, are probably on a deadline and think they know better anyway. So unless there is a big yellow warning label on the front panel, theywillpush anything into that connector that can be made to fit with a reasonable amount of force. But I am not a cynic, so I don't say things like that.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 24, 2023, 05:21:39 pm
content: In addition, the system cannot detect the memory size of the stick.I had already reported here that the stick is simply written to until the memory is full and then it is aborted.

author: danils
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 31, 2023, 11:12:06 am
content: Technically idk if define it a bug...but it looks an abnormal behaviour to me:I just discovered if you are using the scope via its web interface, in "instrument control mode" you cannot control the instrument via the web interface if the TOUCH button on the instrument is disabled.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 31, 2023, 11:14:33 am
content: it's not a bug... it's a feature !

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 31, 2023, 11:29:13 am
content: Got the confirmation today from Siglent support, that switching on the Universal Knob LED when using cursors in mode  is a bug. It is confusing, because it suggests that there is something to adjust. Its not - in this mode the measurement is taken from, and the cursors are always attached to, the first period of the signal.

author: JeremyC
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 01, 2023, 02:39:53 am
content: Quote from: rf-loop on January 24, 2023, 08:38:55 amIt doesn’t bother me, but most of modern pen drives are formatted as exFAT out of box, and the vendors (Siglent, Rigol, etc.) should recognize it...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2023, 11:19:15 pm
content: I wonder when the next update will come...The longer it lasts the better it gets, I hope.

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 15, 2023, 04:55:08 am
content: I wish Siglent could consider allocate a specific place for trace labels. In case they will be overlapped together when all the trace references were aligned at the same vertical level.Or displace the labels to prevent the label stacking.Just find this thread is for the HD, though I'm on SDS2000X plus, I guess the HD needs this feature as well.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 12:39:58 pm
content: Its teardown time!!!https://youtu.be/lUAevbBh0rQSeems everybody already knew - except me

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 09:50:59 pm
content: This is the bug/feature thread...BTW:A few weeks ago at work on a SDS2104X+, a colleague showed me a screenshot which was not complete.It happened one time so I´ve forgot it.Now and here, I got this on my HD too, today and a few days ago.What could be the reason...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 10:32:47 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on February 20, 2023, 09:50:59 pmUSB stick wrong format ?Or are these from the webserver ?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 10:40:41 pm
content: Hi Rob,No webserver, from the stick.All sticks here are in FAT32 format.As written, at work we had this one time only and with the 2104X+.Now I got this two times inbetween days and with two different sticks.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 10:44:05 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on February 20, 2023, 10:40:41 pmGood, full info.USB sticks removed too quickly ?Had this too and now I count to 5 before removing sticks.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2023, 10:49:10 pm
content: Hmmm...Good question.BTW, I´ve found a third pic from last year, from another different stick.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2023, 12:00:21 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on February 20, 2023, 09:50:59 pmTalking about features (which I actually don't use or need, but just out of curiosity) - what extra silicon, or logic is necessary for the eye diagram feature, which is available as an 1000€ option for the SDS6000A series? Would the SDS2000X HD hardware be capable enough for this feature?As far I understood this feature correctly, I can mimic it when using an external data clock for trigger and switch the scope display mode to persistent. Is it just the clock recovery what is missing?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2023, 03:05:12 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on March 01, 2023, 12:00:21 pmSDS2000X HD cannot do eye diagrams. Yes, clock recovery is missing and that is the big thing. Also, eye in SDS6000A is hardware accelerated and SDS2000X HD does not have same resources. In theory this could be all software but would be slow. And they could not just use same code because of that. So no eye on SDS2000X HD is planned as far as I know.If you can extract data clock by other means (some helper hardware, or maybe clock is available, which it usually isn't) then you separate trigger on that, and you simply enable persistence to create diagram. You then use histograms (SDS2000X HD has them, V and H) and cursors to make a measurement. Histograms will provide basic stats. You could also simply trigger on signal both up and down slopes, and delay screen from trigger for some significant number of periods, let's say 100 or thousands. This is not proper eye diagram, but in practice it will give you decent approximation for a quick check. Your SI margins should be large enough so this way could be quite OK for a practical check. Mind you I would not publish a scientific paper from that data, but you will be able to tell if you are OK or have obvious problems.As for Jitter measurements, SDS2000X HD does have CCJ (cycle-cycle jitter) measurement only. You can also enable period and/or frequency measurements and use stats and histicons to analyse distribution of jitter.. That is not full jitter analysis package but also does the job for very many purposes...

author: colorado.rob
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2023, 05:11:52 pm
content: What is missing in this case is automatic clock recovery.One can generate a poor-man's eye diagram by using a sig gen to generate a clock. You will need to manually adjust the the frequency. And you typically need mHz frequency resolution limit noticeable drift. One problem is that the clock phase will be uncorrelated to the clock of the signal, so you will need to adjust the trigger offset.

author: JBK
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 06, 2023, 09:25:45 pm
content: My new SDS2104X HD all of a sudden won't get past the initial logo startup screen. Has anyone else run into this issue or have any idea how to resolve it?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2023, 09:35:22 pm
content: Quote from: JBK on March 06, 2023, 09:25:45 pmKeep pressing Math key at boot...Be persistent..If it got stuck in some "unusual" internal stat that might help..

author: JBK
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 06, 2023, 09:37:13 pm
content: Thank you. I have tried rapidly and repeatedly pressing the Math button during startup without success. I'll try again.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2023, 09:41:14 pm
content: Quote from: JBK on March 06, 2023, 09:37:13 pmYou might need to try a few times. If that doesn't work contact Siglent NA (or a place where you got it from) and ask for support.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 06, 2023, 10:34:30 pm
content: Quote from: JBK on March 06, 2023, 09:37:13 pmReplied to your PM and sorry we/I don't yet have a HD recovery package.Contact Ohio:support@siglentna.comFor our info, do you know the firmware version it was running, latest is V1.2.1.1

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2023, 01:43:33 pm
content: I'm wondering whether there is somewhere a counter how many times the scope has been already powered up. I'm pretty sure its not available in the scope system information. Is there a SCPI command which returns this information?

author: JBK
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 07, 2023, 02:55:13 pm
content: Thanks to everyone who replied about the startup issue I was having. I finally got the 'MATH' button technique to work after about 30 or so restarts.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2023, 02:57:32 pm
content: Quote from: JBK on March 07, 2023, 02:55:13 pmOK now check if firmware is latest one. Also perform full factory reset of the scope. That should clean up any internal variables and settings to safe beginning values..

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2023, 03:06:15 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on March 06, 2023, 09:35:22 pmWhich functionality is behind the Math button during the boot process?______________Just saw, thats described in the SDS2000X HD service manual (page 57) as troubleshooting procedure. Maybe starting the scope with default parameters or so.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2023, 08:00:14 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on March 07, 2023, 01:43:33 pmIt's carefully tucked away in the PW protected Developer Options. Best you keep outta there

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2023, 08:10:54 pm
content: I know the PW - By three we both are writing it down here and see if it´s the same.One, two...

author: JBK
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 07, 2023, 08:19:09 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on March 07, 2023, 02:57:32 pmI'm running the latest 1.2.1.1 firmware. I'll perform a factory reset. It's looking like this was just a one-off incident. The scope has been stable otherwise.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2023, 08:23:13 pm
content: Quote from: JBK on March 07, 2023, 08:19:09 pmAlso Secure Erase which IIRC is in the Save/Recall menu. This will erase all User settings.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2023, 07:33:59 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on March 07, 2023, 08:10:54 pm

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2023, 08:06:05 am
content: Quote from: tautech on March 07, 2023, 08:00:14 pmI'm wondering why Siglent hides this, in their SPD3303X series power supplies its displayed on an info screen.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2023, 09:27:40 am
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on March 08, 2023, 08:06:05 amSince the new DSO UI was released in SDS5000X the boot # info has been hidden whereas all previous DSO's it was available. Maybe they no longer think it's important to anyone.

author: graybeard
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 24, 2023, 08:26:34 am
content: Quote from: tautech on January 24, 2023, 07:35:48 amI keep a SATA DVD drive in an powered enclosure with a USB cable. I also have a USB floppy drive. Both are occasionally useful.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2023, 12:13:51 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on February 10, 2023, 11:19:15 pmIt will be superior I guess...

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2023, 07:13:46 am
content: Probe readout pin customisationI recently got myself a couple of Cal Test CT4200 x1 probes, they have a readout pin connected to ground with 1k ohms. When I plug the probe in, the scope recognises the probe is plugged in, but sets the input attenuation setting to 10x.I measured the original probes that came with the SDS2kX HD (SP5050A), and the resistance between readout pin and ground is 11k ohms.The scope recognises everything between a short to 49k ohms as a 10x probe being plugged in.While there don't seem to be standards stating the readout pin resistance vs attenuation setting, perhaps the scope can let users set custom resistance ranges to match the probe attenuation setting? (assuming the readout pin resistance is read with an ADC)As it stands, the scope's behaviour may lead to erroneous readings with certain probes. I know this is an edge case, but point still stands.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2023, 07:41:10 am
content: Quote from: TopQuark on April 08, 2023, 07:13:46 am100%Unfortunately the only sense probes properly recognised are 10x in 2000 class DSO's.I've thrown mud about this and it seems only the more upmarket models get the attenuation ratios correct.For other than 10x you need set attenuation manually.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2023, 08:44:47 am
content: Quote from: tautech on April 08, 2023, 07:41:10 amMaybe its time that at least the active probes are not longer controlled by proprietary connectors but by USB interface. There seems to be an unspoken agreement to support active probes only by oscilloscopes with a bandwidth higher than 500Mhz. Am I wrong with that?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2023, 10:21:52 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on April 12, 2023, 08:44:47 amYes, it that the only thing that seems drive manufacturers is to capture users into their ecosystem with these horrible proprietary connectors......only horrible in that you can't use them on another brand.Oh don't worry, many or us behind the scenes have asked for USB powered active probesinstantly recognisedby the instruments SW and input attenuation and measurement units automatically set to match. However would it be a massive hardship to take active probes to another brand and set them up manually ?It's not like this is rocket science, our phones have been recognised by PC's for years.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2023, 09:19:06 pm
content: Hi,We had already addressed this heremonths ago, but gladly repeated again:It would be very good if you could choose the labeling of the vertical axis on the left or right side...

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2023, 02:15:30 am
content: Feature Request:Allow Ch3/Ch4 and Math channel as source for X/Y mode.I recently ideated about the possibility to measure B-H curves with a scope:QuoteI wanted to give it a try with the 2000X HD, but XY mode only support Ch1 and Ch2 as source, but not other physical channels nor math channelsI really don't want to build an actual integrator circuit to plot B-H curves, when the scope hardware and software is more than capable to do it itself!

author: seronday
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2023, 10:23:31 am
content: Zone Trigger Issue.It appears that the Siglent SDS2000X HD has a Zone Trigger issue similar to the one found in the SDS2000X Plus as described inhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg4428769/#msg4428769On the SDS2000X HD, the Zone Trigger function also fails to trigger at certain frequencies.The same test as used for the SDS2104X Plus was applied to the SDS2104X HD.That is, a signal which consists of a Low amplitude pulse followed by a High amplitude pulse.The objective is to have the oscilloscope only trigger on the Low amplitude pulse and not on both pulses.The SDS2104X HD is configured as follows:-Time / Div 100usRising Edge TriggerFast Acquisation ModeZone trigger 1 is set as "Not Intersect" and placed above the Edge Trigger level in the area where the Higher amplitude pulse would be.The frequency of the test signal is taken from the SDS On Screen frequency displayAn example of the test results is listed below:-Triggering works correctly :- 4638Hz to 4982Hz.Triggering Fails :- 4984Hz to5306HzTriggering works correctly :- 5308Hz to 5636HzThis pattern keeps repeatingAttached are two screen prints.One shows when the Zone Trigger is working. The other shows when the Zone Trigger has Failed.The frequency ranges where the Zone Trigger Fails depends on the Time / Div , Memory settings and Fast or Slow Aquisation mode.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2023, 11:02:33 am
content: Quote from: seronday on May 11, 2023, 10:23:31 amWhat FW are you running please?

author: seronday
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 11, 2023, 11:47:46 am
content: FW Ver. is 1.2.11Regards

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2023, 09:20:02 pm
content: From the2k Plus thread:QuoteWell, (I) we made a table of bugs/wishes a couple of months ago, let´s see which points we can cross off then.For example, if the four math channels should really come and then still work without great performance losses, that would be a great success(for the users and for siglent).I'm curious to see whether the 5000X will follow suit and especially what will happen with the Siglent/lecroy models (WS3000Z, WS4000HD).

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2023, 09:40:41 pm
content: Hi,Maybe I´ve found a bug:Decoding..Thresholds of the signals are getting lost after restarting the scope.Example you set the threshold on both channel used (UART, RX/TX) to 1.6V and data will be displayed, after restart no data because the thresholds are now 3.63V on one channel and 743mV on the other.Martin

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2023, 09:04:05 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on June 07, 2023, 09:40:41 pmhmm..I will check later...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2023, 07:58:47 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 08, 2023, 09:04:05 amJust checked.. went to trigger settings, serial trig, UART, 19200. CH1 and CH2. Levels set to 3V and 2V respectively. Then went to analyze, decode , uart, copy from trigger..Shutdown.Reboot and it all came back to same settings.. all OK.But.. I'm not running same FW as you....

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2023, 08:06:26 pm
content: Aha...An hour ago I got the same "Issue" with the SPI decoding, must readjust the threshold.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2023, 09:33:08 pm
content: Regarding the decoder gimmick with the demo boards:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-scope-demoboard-from-batronix/msg4900373/#msg4900373There are things on this planet that I just don't understand.I wanted to upload videos, once from home two hours ago, how I have a stable signal with the STB-3 on the HD, then the videos from work with the Xplus and the Batronix board, where I had the best will not get a stable signal.Then I thought, that's not a real comparison, do it again here and with the HD.So I turned it on again and connected the STB-3 with the SPI demo.The thresholds were wrong again after startup, I know that by now.What can I say, still no stable signal with the STB-3...Tried around, no idea what is different now than before.Then I changed something that I would never have thought of otherwise.The signal was stable again, I couldn't believe it.OK, then I try this now with the Batronix board and lo and behold, with the setting I have a pretty stable signal, the first time ever.What did I do ?I set the memory from auto to fixed memory....100Mpts and the signals become stable....Final:Back to auto, the signals remain stable....This is all very confusing.I'll summarize again:-After each restart, the previously set thresholds are no longer correct.-And I only managed a stable triggering when I set the memory to fixed and max.-It remained stable even after I set it back to auto.That's enough for me for today, I'll do another calm and systematic re-try tomorrow or the day after.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 13, 2023, 11:12:38 am
content: FFT-tools optionsI was testing the FFT-tools options (user manual page 197). From my understanding, the options "Show Frequency" and "Sort By" shouldn't be visible in case the option "Show Table" is off... In this case they are making no sense, or is it a misconception in understanding this menu from my side?

author: dpenev
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 13, 2023, 01:28:46 pm
content: Martin, do you have your trigger time start in the main screen?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 13, 2023, 01:38:13 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on June 13, 2023, 11:12:38 amYou misunderstood. It might not have been explained into details.. Both "Peaks" and "Markers" and are type of markers.Difference between "Peaks" markers and "Markers" markers is that "Peaks" are just that. Scope detects them and puts a marker on them. You can sort by frequency or amplitude and can have a table or not. And that is all control. Those are dynamic and will follow changes in signal.With "Markers" markers , you have more control. Once you enable them, you manually tell scope to make analysis on current snapshot and it will place markers on signal. If signal changes in frequency it will not follow it. Those are stationary markers, and you can also manually add, delete and edit them...Oh both, displaying a table with details is optional. That is the "Show table" option.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 13, 2023, 07:54:18 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 13, 2023, 01:38:13 pmYep not a bug. Works as intended.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 18, 2023, 11:03:37 am
content: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-bugs-missing-features-feature-requests/msg4914481/#msg4914481The post sbefore and after.Also interesting for the HD..

author: krasimir.k
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2023, 08:38:00 am
content: Hi,I tried to use the mask feature with saved mask file : does not work. After the loading of the saved xxx.smsk file, the vertical range is reset to the minimum and the small part of the mask is visible on the top of the screen.Used FW version : V1.5.2R1I tried to load the mask file from python - the loading is not happen at all.Code:import pyvisa#https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2023/04/SDS-Series_ProgrammingGuide_EN11D.pdfrm = pyvisa.ResourceManager()inst = rm.open_resource("TCPIP::10.35.89.136::INSTR")print(inst.query("*IDN?"))inst.write(":MTESt ON")inst.write(":MTESt:MASK:LOAD EXTernal,\"local/mask.smsk\"")inst.write(":MTESt:OPERate ON")Kind Regards,Krasi

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2023, 09:29:31 am
content: Quote from: krasimir.k on July 19, 2023, 08:38:00 amIs this SDS2000X Plus ? Only publicly available FW for SDS2000X HD is 1.2.1.1 ..

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2023, 09:38:04 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on July 19, 2023, 09:29:31 amIt is and running older firmware than latest: V1.5.2R3

author: krasimir.k
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2023, 05:33:59 am
content: I'm sorry!Yes, it is SDS2000X Plus.I post in the wrong thread.I just made the same post in the SDS2000X Plus thread for the bugs.Kind Regards,Krasi

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2023, 10:07:54 pm
content: Hi,In my opinion a bug:Changing Colors...Default color for F2 is red, so everything is red, makes sense.Today I want to change it for a better viewing and choosed "white" (looks on the screen like white, in the screenshot light-grey).Everything changed to white - But the trace changed from red to blue...When I want white I should get white and not blue.Wish 1:Cursors....Lecroy have a "absolute" (and relative of course) cursor function for time and amplitude, this means you then have only one cursor moveable horizontal(when choosing time) - But it will also shows the vertical value at this point.Yes, you´ll have this when you choose "track" in the siglent cursor menu - but you´ll have all cursor lines in the screen, that´s too confusing sometimes.Wish 2:Possibility to change the side of the axis-labeling.That would be great, because it's not uncommon for the lableling to get "in the way" of the signals, it would be much rarer if the labeling was on the right side.So a choice left/right would be really useful.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2023, 11:10:15 pm
content: Hi,Related to what I mentionedthere, this is what lecroy looks like with the cursor values.I find that much more "charming", because there is nothing in the actual screen.I'm well aware that this can't be realized, for various reasons (one might be that the UI itself would have to be touched again).But I at least wanted to show how it can be done differently.The picture shows a WS3024Z (SDS3000X), but with the larger lecroys it is exactly the same.

author: MathWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 12:54:55 am
content: I'm having fun with my new 2204x-plus. When using the trigger, I haven't seen a line displayed on screen, moving up/down as soon as I adjust the level. On my 1204x-e, it usually appears as soon as I move the knob (although sometimes the line seems to not get displayed, IDK why)But isn't there a line for trigger on these ? I hope so, It's way quicker to spot the line moving, and position it, especially if you have a time offset.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2023, 02:34:39 am
content: Quote from: MathWizard on July 30, 2023, 12:54:55 amYep a trigger level line is not available when trigger is AC coupled.Put it back to DC coupled where it should be.

author: MathWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 02:56:31 am
content: Thanks, OK I didn't notice this was the HD thread or that's when it disappears on my other scope. So which is better on these, AC or DC trigger coupling, I just heard EEVblog Dave say AC is better, but he skipped why in that video.Like right now I'm looking at a common base 2MHz colpitts osc. powered from 10V. So no big DC values, what would be better ?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 04:04:27 am
content: Never used AC trigger coupling, AC channel coupling certainly but not that often.YMMV

author: trp806mo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 06:26:46 am
content: @Math,He explains it with an example at 10 minutes in the video. To sum up briefly, in AC mode when you configure the level of the trigger depending your signal, what ever the DC offset will be you don't have to readjust the level of the trigger.In other word if I have a 1 volt Vpp signal with a level trigger at 0v, if with my dc offset the vmin of my signal is at 2 volt , my trigger will stay synchronize

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 31, 2023, 06:56:23 am
content: Quote from: MathWizard on July 31, 2023, 02:56:31 amI can't remember what Dave said in this video back then, but in any case, other than AC input coupling, AC trigger coupling is useful on rare occasions only.Have a look at the thorough explanation I gave a while ago for the SDS1000X-E - it applies to all other modern Siglent scopes with digital trigger engine as well, just the corner frequencies for the LFRJ and HFRJ might be a little different. This post also answers the question why we don't get a trigger level indicator when the trigger is AC coupled.Reply #17:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sds1104x-e-dc-offset-in-ac-coupling/msg4786517/#msg4786517

author: MathWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 12:03:54 pm
content: Ok I'll have a look that. I was more wondering if there's a hardware/path difference, so maybe slightly different performance. But yeah maybe it says in the video on most DSO's, it's the same signal, just analyzed differently.I should look up trigger jitter too, if it's called that. Some signals are just annoying to look at. IDK when it's the signal, or noise or the scopes I'm using, and then I guess the screen update speed on a DSO most be some of it too. Sometimes hold-off helps, or LP/HP filters.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 01:06:43 pm
content: Quote from: MathWizard on August 09, 2023, 12:03:54 pmOf course it is the same signal. All modern Siglent DSOs have a fully digital trigger saystem. That means that the trigger signal path splits off the signal path only in the digital domain, i.e. after the ADC. The frontend doesn't even know about the trigger, except for the external one, which is still oldschool analog.As a consequence, AC-coupling is just an operation in the signal processing, just like the LFRJ and HFRJ filters, that are implemented numerically in hardware, i.e. some FPGA. The same goes for hold-off, where Siglent offers the rather unique "holdoff by event" (greetings from LeCroy!) in addition to the usual "holdoff time".Quote from: MathWizard on August 09, 2023, 12:03:54 pmThere is a scope characteristic called "trigger jitter", but that isverylow on contemporary Siglent DSOs - we measure it in picoseconds. You won't notice it at all.What you mean is "unstable triggering", caused by ambigous trigger levels. As long as the chosen trigger level occurs only at the intended trigger event - and only there and then - you have a stable triggering. Once you get this level associated with other (maybe spurious) events, your trigger isn't unique hence not stable anymore.The first measure is to find an appropriate trigger level, which is unique and provides stable triggering. If this cannot be found, then we choose the next best thing, i.e. the least ambigous trigger level.If the spurious trigger is somehow synchronous to the signal you want to trigger on, then holdoff can (and will) help - if setup correctly. In such cases the zone trigger can also solve most ambigous situations.If there are asynchonous events disturbing your trigger, then filters might help, e.g. HFRJ when you want to trigger on a slow signal with HF interference on it and vice versa for the LFRJ trigger.Sometimes simply chosing the appropriate trigger solves the problem best. If simple edge trigger does not do the job in certain cases, then more advanced triggers like slope, pulse, window or pattern might work like a charm.Maybe you should study the trigger section of my review, where I've demonstrated a lot of tricky situations, where edge trigger and even holdoff won't cut it anymore - and how to get a stable trigger in those situations. It is for the SDS1104X-E, but is universally true, since this is a subset of the higher class scopes. SDS1000X-E lacks a few advanced triggers and doesn't support zone trigger. Reply #2, first document:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1104x-e-in-depth-review/msg1371778/#msg1371778

author: mawyatt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 02:13:53 pm
content: One of the many surprises we had with our 1st Siglent instrument (SDS2000X+) was the triggering features/capability. Coming from an old analog Tektronix background where they had created the finest analog triggering scopes available (cleverly employing ECL gates as analog amps/limiters in the triggering circuitry), we didn't expect these DSOs to behave well wrt triggering, we were pleasantly surprisedBest,

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2023, 09:13:10 pm
content: The issue with the thresholds I had a couple of posts here ago seems to affect the 2k+ too:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg5024428/#msg5024428The thing with the wrong setting (1x instead of 10x), I had also experienced.In addition, there is a unique experience to date:I had turned on the scope and left the room during booting.When I came back, it looked like it was ready, but there was a message on the screen:"Probe disconnected.Channel:3"Although it was still connected.The scope was frozen and could only be awakened by turning it off and on again.Happened over the weekend and as mentioned, only once to date.Maybe there are sporadic problems with the autodetection of the probe.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2023, 09:38:55 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 22, 2023, 09:13:10 pmOr the probe is faulty.Have you checked by using other probes on the same channel ?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2023, 09:45:11 pm
content: Hi Rob,No, because the freeze thing was a one-time thing - before and after that I didn't have such a crash.The thing with the 1x/10x, I had however more often, mostly if the Bodeplot mode was terminated, then one channel remained on 10x, the other on 1x - although both were before on 10x.Maybe this will be resolved when the firmware update is released at some point.In principle, you have an "old" scope with a firmware version from almost a year ago.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2023, 08:02:26 pm
content: Here is a current example regarding the error of not being able to remember the thresholds."Yesterday" the scope was set to 1.70V, today directly after power on the thresholds are at 7.1V and 4.1V.Which makes no sense at all, at logic levels.

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 07:17:54 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 24, 2023, 08:02:26 pmThis should be corrected. No one would want to readjust the logic level every day before using the logic analyzer.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 07:54:25 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 24, 2023, 08:02:26 pmThat is probably the same problem that is present in the SDS5000X.Disconnect the probe, see if defaults to 1:1 (or to anything else than what the probe is)If this is the case, there's your problem.Something bizarre happens during initialization: I don't know how the thresholds are saved internally, but the data gets mangled when the probe type changes during boot.The scope will start with a preset probe ratio for the channel (and all the values that are tied to that channel will be applied with that scale). Then the autodetect will detect the probe and adapt all the values to the new scale.scope saves thresholds in FORMAT B (because probe is connected) then on boot loads FORMAT B into FORMAT A because channel is in its default state then autodetect and FORMAT A goes into FORMAT BThe problem here is that autodetect overrides the probe format, but doesn't store it

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 07:59:01 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 24, 2023, 08:02:26 pmI can not repeat this. (SDS2504X HD FW: 1.2.1.1)1st image. Setup as it looks like in your image.Shutdown.Power on again.2nd image.I have repeated this many times, always result is same.1.2.ETA: When I write this msg I have not read @JPortici. His observations and suspicions may be significant also here.

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 08:30:52 am
content: Here are my wishes for the SDS2000X HD:1. Add an option for a comments field when printing or taking screenshots.2. Channel labels can become difficult to distinguish when they overlap with each other. It would be great to either stagger the overlapped labels or display them elsewhere, perhaps in a side pop-up box or anywhere else on the screen.3. Include bandwidth information alongside the ERES message.4. Enable customization of XY chart colors. The dark blue is hard to read in screen captures.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 09:04:49 am
content: Quote from: teddychn on September 08, 2023, 08:30:52 amCan you explain this, please?

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 10:58:37 am
content: picture link from:https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/930I believe that everyone who has, for example, designed important cockpits / control rooms in industry, knows the basics of visual ergonomics (and other human ergonomics and how body and how all the senses, sight, hearing, touch, muscle control and position sense and fine motor skills work as well as one have to know a little about behavior as well. It would be good for measuring device manufacturers to know these things too...including Siglent also, least the basics of these things.But who would teach these things if they themselves don't feel like studying. In the short term, stock prices on the stock exchange are more important...RGB B alone on Black background is problematic in many situations..

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 11:02:40 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 08, 2023, 09:04:49 amThis is a screenshot from the SDS2104X Plus, but I believe the HD should be similar. I find it challenging to me to distinguish the vertical blue line in the picture. The SDS2000X HD allows you to assign trace colors, and I wish the XY chart could be customized in the same way.By the way, Siglent should include bookmarks in their PDF manuals; it would make them easier to use.

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 11:10:22 am
content: Also same for digital (LA) input signals.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 11:17:39 am
content: Quote from: rf-loop on September 08, 2023, 11:10:22 amShould chance as I proposed.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 12:56:08 pm
content: Quote from: teddychn on September 08, 2023, 11:02:40 amHere is a snapshot from my scope. On screen blue trace is much brighter, lighter blue than on this image. That is why I was confused, I have no trouble seeing it.But I think your request is good one, it should be user configurable..As a side note, to make it easier to read (if you have problem with blue) enable Color grading in Display menu... Maybe that helps a bit..

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 05:39:30 pm
content: Hi,Here a clip about the threshold thing:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1srETzAoYwZZwdh1fOC-6uWFfBZE9bN9M/view?usp=sharing(Meh, why is the video quality so bad...(EDIT: Because it´s 360p,can be changed to 1080))Thresholds changing also when you re-boot the scope.Threshold-Level is different from channel to channel, for example Ch 1 is falling back to 8.2V, Ch2 something between 800...833mV, Ch3 14.2V, Ch4 I didn´t test so far.QuoteGot the same FW...I will test it again tomorrow, but then without the probes - Possibly the autosense function messes the whole thing up.(For example, I currently have all probes on the scope and after each start it "tells" me that it has detected a probe on channel 4, although I had not disconnected and reconnected them).

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 08:55:20 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on September 08, 2023, 05:39:30 pmDisconnect probes. set channels mode to 1:10, then retryyou are describing exactly the issue i have with the SDS5000X

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 08:59:31 pm
content: Makes me so curious, I´ll test it in the next minutes..

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 08, 2023, 09:17:59 pm
content: Bingo...Disconnecting the probes, setting all the channels manually to 1:10, then adjusting the decoder threshold-levels.Re-booting the scope, now the threshold values remain.Siglent, we have a bug in the autosense circuit (programm?)...And this seems to affect not only the level setting for the decoding, because I had already told early that when fall back from the bodeplot mode a channel is set back to 1:1, although a 1:10 autosense probe was connected and recognized as such before starting the bodeplot.Or how the scope froze for me for the first time a few weeks ago, with the message that it had detected a probe on channel 3, although the probe was already connected.So it seems to influence many things, a rather serious bug.

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 15, 2023, 08:24:42 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on September 08, 2023, 12:56:08 pmThanks 2N3055,I tried your idea, and it seems a bit better.Actually, I can see the dark blue details on the oscilloscope screen, but they appeared too dark to be seen on my laptop.Here are the new captures.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2023, 09:43:41 am
content: Firmware update V1.2.2.5 is available!https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS2000X_HD_V1.2.2.5_EN.zipIts not just a software update of the OS, but also reprogramming the FPGA to version 2023-05-30

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2023, 09:52:36 am
content: YES

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2023, 01:32:20 pm
content: With the new firmware version 1.2.2.5, we not only got 4 math channels, but also 4 memory channels. The possibilities seem to be almost endless. Import data from other channels, files, math functions...I'm a little overwhelmed with it, but great feature.Found the decription in the SDS6000A manual - page 260-262

author: kladit
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2023, 06:16:26 pm
content: The description of what?I looked at the "SDS6000A User Manual" and at page 260 found a description of "Mask Setup".Neither "memory channel" nor "memory trace" can be found in this pdf.So please give link to the pdf you are talking of.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2023, 06:31:18 pm
content: Quote from: kladit on October 14, 2023, 06:16:26 pmTry this manual version:https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/22_10_24/SDS6000A_UserManual_EN01B.pdfChapter 21 Memory P260

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2023, 07:06:03 pm
content: To the beta testers active here:Do any of you have a 2kHD at home ?Then please send me a PM.As for the new firmware:The datum thing works..Window font size I also found and set to "small", I haven't noticed a direct difference yet.And a bugfix not listed in the revision I also discovered:The save message now disappears by itself again....

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2023, 07:56:12 pm
content: I've posted it in the other 2000HD thread, but this one on the bug is a better placewith last firmware, if you press default, the 10x probe is still not detected. you must unplug and plug it to be detected as 10x

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2023, 10:43:19 pm
content: QuoteI am pretty sure that the manual will be revised.It is still the first version, it also lacks the descriptions for the digital filters and memory management that were added in the first firmware update.Now 2 more math channels, ARINC decoding, memory channels have been added.I think it will soon be worthwhile to revise the manual again.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2023, 08:07:12 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 14, 2023, 07:06:03 pmNot only that - it is now fully configurable to meet everyone's taste and habits.You can have the path tip permanently visible until you close it, let it automatically fade out after a user configurable time out - or never show it at all.Personally, I prefer "Fade" after 3 seconds.SDS2504X HD_Pathtip

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2023, 09:29:47 am
content: I find I need to bring up side-screen ACQUIRE menu frequently. But there's no hardware key and one need to hassle click  then  or  on the screen bottom then  .Given that almost all commands on the menu bar have a second-layer MENU option that brings up the menu on the side screen, I'd like to suggest allowing a single click on a menu command to bring up both its drop-down menu and the side bar dialog box simultaneously. This change would save one step of clicking the MENU command for drop-down menus.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2023, 10:30:22 am
content: Quote from: teddychn on October 20, 2023, 09:29:47 amFor shortcut, Tap on Timebase -> Acquire menu...As for flyout menus... hmm.. some like them some not...As for automatic change, I personally would not like that.The way it is now I can have Channel setup on the right and go to upper menu , tap DIsplay, disable Persistence and still have my Channel setup on the right where I left it and keep doing what I was doing..

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2023, 02:14:32 pm
content: Quotecan't you do this with the "quick action" button ?

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2023, 09:52:52 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on October 20, 2023, 02:14:32 pmNope, it doesn't come with this option. I've already assigned QuickAction to switch trigger slope, which is very useful for me. I have to say, I really appreciate Siglent for placing all the keys for Normal, Auto, Single, and Roll modes on the panel. It saves me a lot of time when switching between these modes.Perhaps I didn't fully grasp the advantage of the menu buttons on the screen. Most of the layer-2 menu buttons seem redundant to me, except for those under Utility and Math options. Take the Acquire option, for example. If a single click could bring up the drop-down menu and side-bar dialog simultaneously, why bother using the Menu key again? If this change wouldn't complicate the operation, I think it's worth discussing. I understand that making changes is a significant undertaking, and Siglent can't please every user. However, if they believe it's worthwhile, it's something to consider.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2023, 10:37:37 am
content: Quote from: teddychn on October 21, 2023, 09:52:52 amDid you see my answer?It is two touches away.How is that hassle?You cannot expect a product manufacturer will customize GUI to one user (in this case you) or they will try to make GUI that is universal and allows access to many functions with relative ease....There are many functions and they have to organized in hierarchy. Why? Because there are thousands of them and you can't have them in on linear array of buttons. We need screen for actual waveform...Also, because of Web interface, all the functions that exist on physical front panel (buttons and knobs) have to have on screen representation. In addition to that having alternative ways to call up some function can be useful sometimesOTOH I will bring up to Siglent a wish that more options be added to Quick button, including Acquire. More options cannot hurt.. And they reorganized menus occasionally when they added many new features and they needed to do it. We'll see.

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2023, 12:24:26 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on October 21, 2023, 10:37:37 amYes, I have seen your answer. And I feel maybe I shold express my logic clearer. That's why the three pictures were attached above.My point is, I don't know the advantage of the Menu bottons, maybe somebody can let me understand. But if they are redundant, why can't we bring up the drop-down menu and side-bar dialog with just a click. Besides, that won't change any UI arrangement. Maybe you can tell me what I was wrong. But befor taht, I wold still say that two clikcs is more hassle than one click.It's just my personal thought with these day's experience. I don't expect Siglent can take my idea. If they won't, it's not a big deal. Just like you've said, two touchs is not that hassel.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2023, 01:17:11 pm
content: Quote from: teddychn on October 21, 2023, 12:24:26 pmThank you for explaing.I already explained how everything is compromise. I'm sorry you cannot see logic behind menu system. I personally do. It might not be ideal but is based on logic, certainly.It is based on combination of hierarchy and shortcuts. It is also a platform. I have SDS6000H12 and it uses same basic platform.So platform is superset.On SDS6000A you have physical Acquire button.And when you have such a sophisticated system,just2 clicks is fast....And fact that SDS2000X HD and SDS6000H12 drives exactly the same is very, very big time saver.And don't think Siglent won't listen to suggestion if it is feasible and is good one.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2023, 07:30:10 pm
content: Quote from: teddychn on October 21, 2023, 12:24:26 pmThat's a good idea and something we should investigate as an option.What we need be careful not to do is to hide dropdown menu items with any changes so maybe 2 modes can be identified as user and webserver modes (existing = returned with Default)A suggestion would be for menu buttons to be configurable to auto open the side bar menu, perhaps in the Utility System menu.ie, touch/click menu and the full side bar opensCan I ask do you use touch or a mouse for work with the menus ?

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2023, 10:42:18 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on October 21, 2023, 01:17:11 pmSorry for the late reply. Before responding to this post, I wanted to try the web UI on both the 2000X HD and 2000X Plus, both at home and in the office. However, I still can't grasp your point. The web control looks just the same on the touch screen here. So, I'm not sure if this idea violates any aspect of the menu design.I'm not debating whether two steps are actually a hassle. If someone uses this function frequently, even saving one step is sensible. Sensibility is always subjective. I'm thinking that maybe I shouldn't have used the word "hassle." If it is, please forgive me. English is not my native language, so I may not express my thoughts precisely.Quote from: tautech on October 21, 2023, 07:30:10 pmThanks for your reply. I didn't intent to make the UI different. Just wanted to give an input for reference. I believe Siglent absolutely has their professional determine the design and priority.I usually use touch for the menus because my work desktop isn't mouse-friendly.I think I might not fully understand the behavior of the web control, so I'm unsure about how opening the side bar dialog simultaneously could hide the dropdown menu. Nevertheless, it's just an idea, and I don't wish to complicate matters.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2023, 11:26:30 am
content: Quote from: teddychn on October 23, 2023, 10:42:18 amFirst of all don't apologize for asking questions and making comments. You are very polite and by no means I disrespect your opinion.We might have misunderstanding here. Touch screen and Web will be exactly the same. What I meant is that when you work remotely, you don't have ANY of buttons and knobs. And since WEB only shows what is on the screen, GUI has to be made that you can actually use scope completely without knobs. And that means that on screen you need to have all of the stuff that should be on the screen, and surrogate (replacements, proxies) screen elements and functions that are usually on the knobs.Organizing all that in several layers is hard work and art. There are hundreds of functions, choices, parameters, menus...As to your 1-2 touch comment, I do understand. On the other hand, my experience is that when I do it all the time it becomes fast and automatic.. Example: single VS double click with a mouse... I also did not dismiss your opinion but shared my experience: once you touch Trig, Acq button pops up 10mm away, so I press it practically in same movement. If ACQ touch popped on the other side of screen that would bother me too.And I do use it a lot, because I change ACQ settings all the time while testing stuff.So I don't find it slowing me down in use after I got used to it. It is completely automatic.Funny point, I also have SDS6000H12 that has physical ACQUIRE button. And at first SDS2000X HD did not have this Trig-ACQ shortcut. I was missing that button from 6000 so much. After they added the Trig-Acq shortcut it was soo much better than going into menu. So I was testing SD2000X HD for a week, and then I realized that on SDS6000H12 I was not using ACQ button anymore, but Trig-Acq shortcut, reflexively out of habit..........OTOH, I do see how other people will have different thresholds.Like promised, I did suggest to Siglent to add more functions to Quick button. And few more things were discussed so we will see if there is any fruit from the effort.Best,

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2023, 01:56:46 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on October 23, 2023, 11:26:30 amOff topic - but where did you guys buy this equipment? You imported them directly from China?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2023, 02:50:37 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on October 23, 2023, 01:56:46 pmThat one came from China, yes.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2023, 04:11:23 pm
content: Quote from: teddychn on October 23, 2023, 10:42:18 amAll sound ideas are worth considering.After some thought and experiments I have suggested tap of the top level dropdown menus activate the side menu.This can be an advantage for users preferring to use touch however with mouse use directly on the scope or via the webserver there is little to be gained as the 2nd click to bring up the menu is no large penalty.Ideas of making this configurable are now abandoned as it adds complexity to what is already an efficient UI however a single touch/click of the top level dropdown to access the menu could be of benefit for those only using touch.Yet if like 2N3055 proposes, more functionality be added to the Quick button this could be a solution also.

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2023, 09:57:07 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on October 23, 2023, 11:26:30 amThanks for the elaboration. I think I've got your point. But I guess the Trig-Acq you mentioned should refer to Timebase-Acq.Just played around with the Timebase and Trigger tabs which at the bottom of the screen. Since both Timebase and its Acquire tab are big enough, they make the Timebase-Acquire operation easier than the Acquire-Menu. Now I realize why the Acquire tab was located under the Timebase dialog. Timebase and Trigger are more of shortcuts. And Siglent should include your tips in their menu.Besides, having too many useful options in QuickAction will definitely trigger my decision paralysis.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2023, 10:58:24 am
content: QuoteAbsolutely.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 09:14:36 am
content: FW 1.2.2.5Switched on my scope for the first time since the clock changed to winter time (Timezone Europe/Berlin). The scope is connected to the internet, shouldn't the scope time also change to winter time?

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 10:37:11 am
content: seems there is no ntp sync on the scope ... and no daylight saving time either

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 12:52:22 pm
content: Wanted FFT feature:I would still like to be able to display the harmonics in % instead of dB (in the table), then you would not have toconvert itagain.The absolute crowning glory would of course be a THD display, even if it is to be enjoyed with caution.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2023, 02:57:50 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on October 31, 2023, 12:52:22 pm

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2023, 10:58:20 pm
content: I find now it doesn't show FFT peaks in the peaks list. Not sure if it's the symptom of firmware 1.2.2.5?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 10, 2023, 11:09:37 pm
content: Hi,I can't imagine that you haven't done it, but I'll ask anyway:Did you set the threshold level appropriately to be able to detect the peaks ?

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2023, 01:25:12 am
content: QuoteAn other place where I would like to be able to change the units is the bode plot function. It would be nice if one could just change the dB scale to impedance.

author: teddychn
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 11, 2023, 03:31:16 pm
content: hanks, Martin, it works. I've never set the threshold before. Maybe restoring the default settings after the upgrade revealed the situation. It's actually my fault.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 18, 2023, 06:07:30 pm
content: Hi,Wanted:Showing the parallel data in ASCII*:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-scope-demoboard-from-batronix/msg5175123/#msg5175123SDS2000Xplus do not have it - And neither does my HD...I think this is a useful feature that might be easy to implement.*)If that is enough to arrive at a directly readable result.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 20, 2023, 05:42:40 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 18, 2023, 06:07:30 pmWhen the characters are inside the first 128 chars of the ASCII table, otherwise you might need the right charset for encoding it properly.

author: blurpy
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2023, 09:47:53 am
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on November 20, 2023, 05:42:40 pmSupporting different charsets would also be nice, but it's a good start to get the same ASCII decode for parallel as is already available for serial.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2023, 10:22:24 pm
content: A wanted nice to have:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds3000x-hd-and-upgraded-sds1000x-hd/msg5187762/#msg5187762I find this color coding of the logic channels(3rd pic) very successful, that would also be something for the 2000X HD.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2023, 11:20:04 pm
content: I think I've found a tiny bug...The color selection of the traces, a fantastic feature not only in this price range, has a small bug.If you change the saving of the image from normal to inverted, the color of the changed regular channel is "taken over", but the math channel is not, it gets its original color.Please change, thank you!

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2023, 11:40:08 pm
content: Isn't that two bugs? Shouldn't it instead be two inverted colors?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2023, 11:46:23 pm
content: Hi,Only the background or better everything on the screen except the traces should be inverted.At least that's how I know it from Lecroy scopes.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 09, 2024, 09:41:09 pm
content: I had previously worked with the Bodeplot for another topic here.What I still think is suboptimal is the obvious "encapsulation" of this function from the rest of the system.I just wanted to make a change in the channel menu - I can't, everything that has nothing to do with the Bode function is deactivated.You first have to get out of the function again (including this annoying "recalling"), then you can adjust and then call up the Bodeplot again.This is quite inconvenient.And the unit for the amplitude of the internal generator is still unchangeable (Vpp).

author: hpw
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2024, 07:24:09 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on December 07, 2023, 11:46:23 pmIt is always an issue as for documentation or printing. For printing Monochrome should be the option. Otherwise

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 10, 2024, 08:08:54 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on January 09, 2024, 09:41:09 pmThere is so many things... it is like whole other system than oscilloscope.. BodePlot OR Oscilloscope (even it still in background do timedomain acquistions).But "recalling" back to oscilloscope mode takes long time... imho.. too long.Quote from: Martin72 on January 09, 2024, 09:41:09 pmThis improvement to BodePlot is asked many times over years.Something like this:BodePlot function On.If [Channel Gain:Hold] AND BodePlot [Operation:Off] AND [Display:TimeDomain] (because for adjust there need see level for proper adjust).There need enable input channels vertical adjustments without shutting off whole BodePlot. Also in this condition AWG need be free for manual frequency set for example find DUT peak... this need come even more clear if using FRA for example high Q resonators...In all cases when [Channel Gain:Hold] there need keep care that signals top peaks do not clip but top peaks are near ADC full scale for get best dynamic range.(sidenote: [Channel Gain:Hold] state is nice to use in some cases because it give more speed and many times only small disadvantage in dynamic range)At the core of FRA's operation is a primary table (all other things (what you see) are secondary, based to this primary non visible table.Naturally, IF [Channel Gain:Auto] then V/div is totally under FRA control, no need enable channels manual adjustments.But then there's also the request that sometime in the future we can get an improved BodePlot in some other way.Example: Phase normalize function so that with current setup for test, use can first run phase cal specially if working higher frequenciesAlso max 500 (or 750) steps is not enough... even when it still can be even when it can be up to 275 204 396 points/decade (119.9995MHz to 120MHz with 501pts)One other thing what least I hope is rejected dynamic range fast scalar sweep (SNA) because this can be really fast. (there is really many cases we do not need phase)(and many other smaller or bigger improvements and bugfixes)

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2024, 05:12:13 pm
content: Just noticed, that the remaining time for the temporary ARINC decoder licence, which came with the firmware update 1.2.2.5, is still at 30 days. So its never expiring? I doubt that Siglent made this intentionaly.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2024, 05:22:56 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on January 16, 2024, 05:12:13 pmDo you use it?Maybe it is not counting scope on time but hours of use of decoder.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2024, 05:31:24 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on January 16, 2024, 05:22:56 pmNo, and most likely I never will. But your assumption was right - I switched it on for bus 1 - the licence counter decremented to 29.Thank you.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2024, 04:38:50 pm
content: Hi. What am I doing wrong? Ch1 signal sin 2Khz 1Vpp, Ch2 signal sin 1 kHz 1Vpp. Math: Ch1xCh2.

author: CustomEngineerer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2024, 04:49:47 pm
content: From your screenshot it looks like you are doing Math: Ch1xCh1, not Ch1xCh2.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2024, 04:59:03 pm
content: Yeah, math is setup wrong. You need to select the channels you want to use, but you left it default to CH1, CH1.You should also check your inputs. Are you running high or low impedance? Both channels are set to 10X 1M. If you run 50Ω direct from the AWG, that's how it should be set.I recreated your experiment on my SDS2504XP, with the SDG2122X:

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2024, 05:44:52 pm
content: Yup! Thanks guys! Lovin this scope so far.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 04:00:24 pm
content: I am back to report another minor issue. Could be my thick skull again, but it seems that shut down and power up messes with settings that it should not. Case in point ... SPI decoding ... the protocol settings (the thresholds) get changed and decoding no longer works after a restart. Easy enough to fix once one realizes what is happening.Then I tried saving the setup when decoding was working. Powered the scope back up and loaded the saved file and the situation was a bit worse because two of the probe settings got changed from X10 to X1 and, once again, the thresholds were wrong. Again, easy to fix once one realizes what is going on.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 04:19:26 pm
content: Hi Grandchuck,The Siglent scopes still have problems with probe sensing.This causes, among other things, this effect with the incorrectly adjusted thresholds after the restart.If you have other (non-auto-sense) probes, try it out, then you won't have this (and other) effect.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 04:46:54 pm
content: Thanks Martin and thanks for alerting us about the Batronix board. It helps to learn this fine instrument.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 06:22:54 pm
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on February 07, 2024, 04:00:24 pmSiglent know about this and have shared a bug ID for it on their forum.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2024, 06:38:26 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on February 07, 2024, 06:32:46 pmPrivate beta tester forum. Membership by invite only and access only given to the products you are working on.I can see lots but not all.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2024, 08:04:11 pm
content: I am seeing some trigger instabilities when decoding UART signals. Screen captures:Expected: triggers on falling edge of C1. This is what is expected.DecodeBut: late in the data frame. The trigger is later than expected.JunkDecode: trigger is late. The trigger is late and the decoding is junk.NoDecode: did not trigger in time? No decoding.The captures are at 9.6 kbit/s. At 38.4 kbit/s, there seem to be fewer errors.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2024, 08:37:37 pm
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on February 09, 2024, 08:04:11 pmYep, clear retriggering within packets.Remedy = add Trigger Holdoff of a little larger value than the largest packet width.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2024, 09:05:44 pm
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on February 09, 2024, 08:04:11 pmFalling edge trigger is a bit ambigous with so many falling edges, don't you think?Modern oscilloscopes have a bunch of powerful triggers for a reason. In your case use a postiive pulse trigger with time the minimum pulse width little greater than one character duration, e.g. about >1 ms at 9k6 should reliably trigger at the start of each packet, regardless of its length.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2024, 01:59:15 pm
content: Thanks people. Falling edge trigger with holdoff works a treat.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2024, 06:54:40 pm
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on February 10, 2024, 01:59:15 pmMy MO is to display packets then Stop the scope and count the width of a packet with the graticules then adjust Holdoff and Run the scope again.Note to self, experiment with Performa01's Pulse width method....

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2024, 10:50:40 pm
content: There are also serial protocol triggers.....

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2024, 10:58:14 pm
content: And it is sometimes very easy, thanks to the "copy to trigger" function.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2024, 07:53:41 am
content: Quote from: tautech on February 10, 2024, 06:54:40 pmScreenshot tells all.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2024, 12:41:12 pm
content: The oscilloscope locked up in digital mode. Nothing worked/responded ... including the on/off button. The web browser still displayed the instrument, but no response was possible there either. A power recycle using the AC line cord restored normal operation.The lockup was caused by (I think) setting the CAN signal source to CAN_H - CAN_L.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2024, 03:48:49 pm
content: if you try to connect with sigrok the interface is stuck too... only force restart is then working.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 20, 2024, 05:00:27 pm
content: A new bug appeared. No mouse? Tried all the usual things. No mouse (no pointer on the screen either). Front panel power cycling did not work but a power cord disconnect and reconnect did. Back in business

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2024, 10:45:43 pm
content: I had the scope for 1.5 years and had no problems of this kind during that time.However, I had used a mouse maybe 2 or 3 times during that time.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2024, 01:21:19 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on February 21, 2024, 10:45:43 pmIt is interesting how we all work differently. I use the mouse constantly.The scope is going to be connected via its own power strip with an on/off switch in anticipation of more lockups in the future.

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2024, 03:19:48 pm
content: Quote from: TopQuark on July 17, 2022, 11:05:16 pmReading the SDS800X HD review and demonstration thread, I just realised this feature I requested more than a year ago, the decade scaled X axis, is now standard on the SDS800X HD, SDS1000X HD, and the SDS3000X HD, butnotthe SDS2000X HD.Would any of the forum members who has the ears of Siglent firmware development team know of any plans to update the SDS2000X HD with the same feature? I really wanted this function right from day one, but it seems like they forgot to back port this feature back to the 2000X HD.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 17, 2024, 03:39:57 pm
content: Once this feature has been realised there, it will also be implemented in the 2000X HD(why not).However, Siglent will not be releasing a special update for this, it will probably be included with other features in a new firmware version.

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2024, 02:37:08 pm
content: It seems the 2000X HD is on the way out with the 1000X HD and 3000X HD pricingI hope they will still solve some bugs. The probe recognition not working is very irritating.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 20, 2024, 05:36:23 pm
content: Quote from: temperance on March 20, 2024, 02:37:08 pmI doubt that. There's a big price gap between the 1k and 3k ranges. 2k HD will fit in there fine.

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 09:16:35 am
content: Quote from: temperance on March 20, 2024, 02:37:08 pmI know they will probably still come around to fix stuff and back port features, but this sentiment is similar with me saying feeling "shafted" in the new 1000X HD and 3000X HD thread.I understand Siglent does not have massive resources to pump out new software, and I understand the scope is still an unbelievably good deal and device etc. and the 2000X HD was pretty good to start with etc. I do still like my scope, and Siglent in general etc.But, I do have mixed feelings about my 2000X HD purchase. Since I bought my 2000X HD, they have come out with 3 new HD scopes (800X HD, 1000X HD, 3000X HD), well 4 scopes if you count the 1000X HD black refresh. Yet thus far the 2000X HD has only gotten 1 software update, late last year. Stuff like the hopelessly slow digital channel 12wfm/s refresh rate still isn't fixed, neither are the whole lot of small bugs / missing features mentioned in this thread.I got my base SDS2000X HD for 23000 RMB, which Siglent has now dropped pricing to 13880 RMB. The base 3000X HD sells at 27800 RMB right now on Taobao. I know I have been using an excellent scope and benefited from it massively between me getting the 2000X HD and today. I bought the 2000X HD and it pretty much did everything it promised (besides the digital channels, I regret buying the official logic probes).Anyways, I think you can understand where my sentiment is coming from. I feel like the newer 1k, 3k , 800 HD scopes weren't meant to be released in such a rapid pace, until Rigol stepped in and released the DHO4000 and all the other offerings. Siglent had to respond with their own lineup of HD scopes, which is understandable, but it is still frustrating to see all the new features the new scopes are getting, some of which us 2000X HD owners suggested, yet the 2000X HD feels like has been forgotten, at least to me as an end user.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 10:11:34 am
content: Quote from: TopQuark on March 21, 2024, 09:16:35 amI have big sympathy for you. All I can do is to assure you that the SDS2000X HD is not forgotten. I should know it, as I've just initiated investigations by Siglent engineers for some bug-fixes (bugs that won't affect the average user). I also know that a lot of the new functionality will be part of the software platform. Once it is declared mature after the release on one device, the others will follow.It happens all the time: Back in mid 2019, Bode Plot II was first introduced in the low-end SDS1004X-E series, whereas the SDS5000X had to wait.In general, the SDS2000X HD is mature, so that no quick emergency fixes are required. Consequently, Siglent rather waits a bit longer to release only substantial FW-update if necessary.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 12:11:21 pm
content: Quote from: TopQuark on March 21, 2024, 09:16:35 amPlease take general discussion here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds3000x-hd-and-upgraded-sds1000x-hd/or here and preserve this thread for bug reports:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/Then I might comment on your views......

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 12:20:23 pm
content: Quote from: temperance on March 20, 2024, 02:37:08 pmLooked back through your posts some months which didn't reveal any previous mentions of this.Please tell.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 12:34:05 pm
content: it was some posts from me ...when you hit the default button, the connected probes does not get recognized.the original probes are set as 1x instead of 10xafter "default" if you unplug then replug the probe(s) it then get the good 10x

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 12:44:15 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on March 21, 2024, 12:34:05 pmEvery Siglent auto probe detect DSO works this way.Quote from: ebastler on March 21, 2024, 12:39:05 pmEvery one I have checked detects 100x probes just fine....although Siglent don't even offer one......

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 01:00:15 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on April 08, 2023, 07:41:10 amI think temperance is referring to this.Also there's also some weirdness to how the scope remembers the attenuation settings. It sometimes forgets that the x10 probe is plugged in.1. Set the channel attenuation to x12. Plug in a 10x probe, the scope will adjust the channel attenuation setting to 10x3. Enter Bode plot mode, you don't even need to run a plot, just exit the bode test app4. The channel attenuation will fall back to x1, even when the x10 probe is still plugged in.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 01:17:35 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on March 21, 2024, 12:44:15 pmThere, I fixed it for you. 😉 That's an annoying bug, that's been reported on every Siglent scope with probe detection.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 01:40:18 pm
content: Latest lockup occurred trying to save a mask:

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 01:48:07 pm
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on March 21, 2024, 01:40:18 pmDoes the lockup occur if you disable coordinate labels?

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 21, 2024, 02:15:53 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on March 21, 2024, 01:48:07 pmAre you suggesting to turn off the labelsbeforeattempting to save?

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2024, 02:16:46 am
content: @ TautechThe probes are set to x1 after you press the default button and they are recognized as x10 probes after unplugging.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2024, 02:24:49 am
content: Quote from: temperance on March 22, 2024, 02:16:46 amYup. The bug has been reported for every model that can sense probes. Unplug and replug them in, or manually set them to x10. It's the only thing thatreallyannoys me with the scope.

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2024, 12:51:39 pm
content: An other enhancement I would like to see is the ability to set the horizontal offset at a fixed position.Let's say you set the offset to -80 µs with 20 µs /div. When the time base is adjusted to 10 µs/div, the offset should should be adjusted to -40 µs. As it is now, the offset is constant and the trigger position is off screen. That's not practical and I have to adjust the offset all the time.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2024, 02:13:12 pm
content: Quote from: temperance on March 22, 2024, 12:51:39 pmIn Utility-> System-> Reference position you can choose Horizontal Ref to be "Delay" or "Position".When set to Position timeframe will compress/expand around set Position.I believe you are now in Delay mode.

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2024, 03:15:54 pm
content: QuoteThank you very much. It's even in the manual... But not under chapter 8.3 where they discuss the horizontal controls but under 32.2.6 "32.2.6 Reference Position Setting.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 22, 2024, 04:07:27 pm
content: The manual needs to be updated anyway.

author: electronics hobbyist
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2024, 01:44:13 am
content: Quote from: temperance on March 22, 2024, 02:16:46 amThere is a temporary solution that can be used. If you frequently use the 10X probe, you can use the "To Default Key" function.1. Set the probes to 10X2. Click on Save/Recall3. Select Save mode4. Set the type to To Default Key5. Set Default Type to Current6. Click on SaveAfter completing the above settings, clicking the Default button will load the 10X configuration.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 23, 2024, 02:20:29 am
content: Yeah, that's what I did. It's annoying though. It should be fixed properly. The coax cables currently connected aren't 10X.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2024, 05:58:44 pm
content: New bug or some kind of anomaly. I noticed a displayed dc offset that should not have been so I performed self calibration and all channels then showed offset (see screen grab with all 4 set to GND). Then, I tried measuring a DC voltage and the error was enormous (300% or more). Since I have had issues with this scope before, I tried the usual and disconnected it from the ac line and then repowered and did another self calibration. All OK nowThis is a fairly serious problem. Have any of you seen anything like this?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2024, 07:33:08 pm
content: Hi,I've experienced something similar before, but I can't find the post(will search for it).I also had this problem:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-missing-features-and-bugs/msg4601140/#msg4601140I was able to get both back in order with self-calibration.And you could also set something on the scope regarding self-calibration, as I said, I'll have to look again where that was.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2024, 08:31:12 pm
content: Thanks Martin.This particular problem is unsettling. If I had not noticed the offset, I could have made who knows how many useless/misleading measurements.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2024, 08:41:32 pm
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on April 08, 2024, 08:31:12 pmCould you please reset the scope to default settings?Just to make sure all internal variables are properly initialized.After FW upgrade it is not bad idea to perform reset to default.

author: Grandchuck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2024, 08:45:53 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on April 08, 2024, 08:41:32 pmI did reset to default. If it happens again, I will reset to default again and will report back here. Thanks

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2024, 09:11:26 pm
content: Quote from: Grandchuck on April 08, 2024, 08:45:53 pmThanks for the answer.Yes, keep an eye on it and if it misbehaves again, report.

author: szajsiwo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 14, 2024, 05:31:53 pm
content: Quote from: TopQuark on May 07, 2023, 02:15:30 amI double it!Just received my SDS2104X HD and this is my second disappointment after realizing that built in AWG is licensed...Any other manufacturers supports this?

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 14, 2024, 06:09:15 pm
content: if you bought it from some european seller like batronix, you get a bundle with the scope, and the frequency generator is in and almost all the decoders too ...

author: egonotto
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 14, 2024, 07:09:29 pm
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on April 14, 2024, 06:09:15 pmHello,no, you have to buy the Siglent SDS2XHD-BND separately.Best regardsegonotto

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 14, 2024, 08:11:47 pm
content: my mistake, but at that price it's a steal why not buy it with the scope ?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 14, 2024, 08:33:20 pm
content: That's a good question, there have been people here who have bought the scope, ignored the bundle and then asked for a hack for the options...I've been "advertising" the bundle for weeks, even though I don't have any of it (I don't even have the scope anymore).Because I was electrified by how cheap it is - I paid more for the logic probes alone than for the bundle INCL. the probes.

author: TopQuark
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2024, 03:10:31 am
content: Feature request:User defined math for measurements (the numbers measurement, not the math traces).For example, it would be nice to be able to multiply frequency (Hz) by 60, so that it shows RPM when I'm measuring the output of a tachometer.

author: skander36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2024, 07:14:19 am
content: Quote from: szajsiwo on April 14, 2024, 05:31:53 pmAll major manufacturers have inbuilt AWG separately licensed.But also they sell bundles.

author: szajsiwo
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 15, 2024, 09:32:15 am
content: I bought it on taobao for super-duper promo price of 11100CNY and still it was a big expense for me - not every one here earns in EUR/USD guys (USD/PLN=4 EUR/PLN=4,3)..Bundle relatively cheap in comparison for separate licences but it is still for me a 1/4 of month salary on top of that...Just not realized that such essential functionality can be licensed. At least simple sin/square.Anyway my post was basically aboutMath channel as source for X/Y mode.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 01:11:33 pm
content: Hello,feeling a kind of stupid, but I couldn't figure out, why, when switch to digital mode, always one data channel is marked red. It changes, when I disable the lower 8 bits, then data channel 8 is marked red. It stays red, when I enable the lower 8 bits again. What is the meaning of this red data channel?Thanks

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 01:40:59 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on June 25, 2024, 01:11:33 pmCurrently selected one?

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 01:50:31 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 25, 2024, 01:40:59 pmThat would make sense, but no - its not possible to select any data channel. The channels are having a fixed (configurable) distance to each other in vertical direction, its not possible to move them separately.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 01:55:58 pm
content: Quote from: Ulrich.G on June 25, 2024, 01:50:31 pmWith vertical voltage knob you can select which one is red and with vertical position knob you can move it's order... Reorganize numbers so to speak... So you "grab" No1 and move it between No5 and 6

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 02:05:59 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 25, 2024, 01:55:58 pmYou figured that out just by playing with the controls??It's not very intuitive, that the channel selection is not possible by mouse click...Thats amazing - THANK YOU!!

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 03:09:35 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on June 25, 2024, 01:55:58 pmAnd pressing the position knob resets the D0-D15 order again...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2024, 03:53:50 pm
content: This behaviour is similar to Keysight.... So I just tried to do the same thing...One more thing: if you touch a Digital icon on bottom of the screen, there you can set position and distance between the channels...

author: fredo_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 30, 2024, 09:13:23 pm
content: Quote from: colorado.rob on November 16, 2022, 02:32:30 pmDone ! :https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-sigrokpulseview-hardware-support-(siglent-sds-hd-rigol-dho800-)/

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 01, 2024, 06:46:32 pm
content: Feature Request:Show both High and Low levels on triggers with multiple values. (Currently appears to only show the last edited value)

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 02, 2024, 11:39:35 pm
content: Feature Request (again):Add ascii decoding to parallel bus.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 11:04:23 am
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 02, 2024, 11:39:35 pmThis is in Siglent's pipeline already. There are some higher priority tasks around, yet we'll get that eventually.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 12:05:00 pm
content: In this context, do you perhaps know whether the Wfm's/sec display will come at some point?It was included in the list "back then" by electronic hobbyist, namely SDS800X HD, but this and the ASCII decoding are things that can be rolled out across all models.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 12:28:40 pm
content: Sorry, i don't know the status of a trigger rate display. Maybe "electronic hobbyist" can give us an outlook...But it goes without saying that I had requested the ASCII decoding for all DSOs that support the SPL2016 logic probe.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2024, 02:44:03 pm
content: What about expanding displayed trigger information? Is that on their list yet? It would be really helpful in screenshot info.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2024, 05:04:35 am
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 03, 2024, 02:44:03 pmI cannot know what's happening through other channels (customer feedback, contributions from support staff, internal evaluation etc.), and I'm not aware of any such request from the beta team.And – just for clarification – discussing and requesting a feature still doesn’t mean that it’s “on their list”. Whenever I say something is on their list, I have a confirmation from Siglent, together with the corresponding change request ID.In any case we would need to make the trigger info box much wider in order to fit additional information. I could request this (as I'm always easily convinced that we should get as much information on the screen as possible), yet we need to be careful to not overdo it and leave some space left for the channel info boxes 😉

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2024, 02:19:17 pm
content: Quote from: Performa01 on August 04, 2024, 05:04:35 amThe trigger boxshouldbe wider, but doesn't need to be. They waste plenty of space even in the tiny box using full words when they could use vector symbols or abbreviations like other companies do. In my attached example, they write Positive. They could have a + symbol after runt, and the the H level under the L. They could use arrows for rising or falling, etc. Bigger would be better; more efficient would also be better.The word Stop in the Trigger box is also kinda redundant- it shows that at the top of the screen too. The box is not being used efficiently.I attached a couple simple ideas for the trigger box, though the R&S box info is nicer.Another option would be to have a detailed Trigger popup window. Could be similar to the Counter box, or the Ref table in the attached screenshot.Thanks,Josh

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 04, 2024, 04:39:17 pm
content: Josh, I've forwarded your proposal to Siglent.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2024, 07:58:04 am
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 03, 2024, 02:44:03 pmI've got the confirmation from Siglent development team that your proposal is accepted. They will try to pack more information into the trigger info box.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2024, 03:01:10 pm
content: Can somebody please put in a feature request to make it possible to change Trigger Coupling frequency values (preferably arbitrarily)? Or is that not possible?Thanks,Josh

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2024, 03:20:30 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on October 02, 2024, 03:01:10 pmCan you explain, please, what do you mean by this?

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2024, 04:09:57 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on October 02, 2024, 03:20:30 pmSure! The SDS2000X HD datasheet says:QuoteI want the ability to arbitrarily set those frequencies to anything I want. For example, Low Frequency Reject (HP Filter) frequencies below 5kHz, or 20kHz, or 800Hz, or whatever the cutoff might need to be to eliminate a specific waveform I don't want interfering with triggering.In the attached example, Math filter is used to isolate two waveforms on CH1.I want the trigger to be able to ignore either one of those waveforms depending on what settings I choose. Having the frequency not hardcoded, as it currently is, would make this trigger type significantly more useful / powerful.Thanks,Josh

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2024, 04:21:17 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on October 02, 2024, 04:09:57 pmJosh,thanks for explaining.I'm not sure that is even possible....It is hardcoded now so it can be simple and optimized. Triggering is realtime operation running of full speed datastream.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2024, 04:30:33 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on October 02, 2024, 04:21:17 pmI think it may be possible to be added as a feature because the hardcoded frequencies 1. don't match (internal vs. external), and 2. aren't standard filter numbers like for the channel filters. It seems they were chosen at least somewhat arbitrarily and should be able to be replaced with a variable input. Or, a new trigger coupling filter with a variable input added, but that would seem redundant.Thanks,JoshETA: Check out nctnico's post with channel filtering:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-keysight-infiniivision-hd3-oscilloscope/msg5663417/#msg5663417That would be nice too. 😉

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2024, 05:22:05 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on October 02, 2024, 04:30:33 pmNico's post has nothing to do and don't confuse it with channel filtering.HP and LP filter in trigger works on full data rate and it is at it is because filter was chosen that was fastest and it landed approximately where it did.As for filters in math, they are have current characteristics because of number taps in implementation. As Martin said, it is similar to LeCroy in that regard.Other manufacturers did something else, and they are either decimating or use some nonstandard filtering method. Siglent uses proper FIR filters.Filter on Keysight 3000T can filter lower frequencies with same sample rate, but it's characteristics is not documented at all and it is basically visual aid.Micsig I have also have limits when sampling at higher sample rates.Do not get me wrong. I will raise this question with Siglent. I personally would like if filters on Siglent scopes would be more powerful. But maybe this was resource limit? I don't know.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2024, 05:28:44 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on October 02, 2024, 05:22:05 pmAwesome, thank you!Speaking of actual channel filtering, do you think they might add 50M and 100M to the channel filters? Mine goes from 20M directly to 200M, but a couple stops between would be nice.Thanks,Josh

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2024, 07:08:36 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on October 02, 2024, 05:28:44 pmWell, those are actual hardware filters. They are proper anti aliasing filters before ADC.If I need more control I use ERES.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2024, 08:43:01 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on October 02, 2024, 07:08:36 pmIsn't there also an actual 100M filter? It started life as a 100MHz scope, I thought there might be a proper filter for that too.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2024, 06:26:17 pm
content: Bode still doesn't remember some previous session settings after power off.Sweep was set to single, comes up as continuous.Load was Hi-Z, comes up as 50Ω.

author: Tjuurko
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2024, 03:07:19 am
content: Awg System InfoModel: SAG1021Firmware Version: 1.11Hardware Version: 0-4-6Output Load: High-ZOVP: onSyncOut: offZero Adjust: manual -2.1mVThe WaveGen output is connected by the cable to the entrance "C1".In "DC", everything works fine: the voltage is adjustable from -3.00V to +3.00V.A strange feature was discovered: with an increase in the signal amplitude of more than 633mVpp, an additional offset of the output voltage appears by ~57mV.When the output signal changes 632mVpp <-> 633mVpp, the operation of the inner relay is heard.This is happening only with me or is this error in the firmware?As a spare option, I have SDG2042X.[ Specified attachment is not available ]

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2024, 03:10:53 am
content: Feature request: option to remember probe settings independently between V and A modes per channel.Example: 1x set for a probe on V mode using a coax cable. Switch to A and use any custom user setting (0.1A/V or whatever). Switch back to V and be back to 1x.Thanks,Josh

author: Tjuurko
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 08, 2024, 06:02:44 am
content: Software Version: 1.2.2.9First attempt to save an inverted image without a menu.The following attempts were successful.

author: H.O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2025, 03:43:55 pm
content: Hi,Have been using the UART decoder a bit over the last couple of days, an annoyance is that the scope seems to forget where the decoders threshould is set to when power cycling the scope. After each power cycle the threshold returns to 12.13V (which is way off screen in this case) while all other settings seems to be retained.Running 1.2.2.5, don't see it mentioned in the release notes for 1.2.2.9.Anyone else? Still there on 1.2.2.9 or fixed?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 25, 2025, 04:03:25 pm
content: Hi,This has something to do with the auto sense of the probes, whether this has been fixed in the meantime is beyond my knowledge

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2025, 11:30:44 pm
content: I found another minor visual bug in FFT.To repeat the bug:Place FFT info box wherever you want.Open a side menu (or move the cursor info box which opens the cursor menu).FFT info box always returns to the default position, instead of staying where it was manually placed.Thanks,JoshPS. The other visual bug I posted in the other thread by mistake:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/msg5913872/#msg5913872

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2025, 10:29:28 pm
content: I found another minor related bug with the menus popping up and screwing things up.Rob insisted I learn to use the Zone trigger, so I (think I) did. 🤷Anyway, set your zone, poof it's there. For simplicity, set about the size of a div.But if I want to swap to the other pulse, I move the box, and the menu pops up, and shifts it farther over from where I placed it.The only solution is to move it, wait for the menu to move it further, then move it to where I want it before the menu times out and disappears. Then the zone box stays where it's supposed to when the menu goes away.Thanks,Josh

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2025, 10:37:11 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on May 19, 2025, 10:29:28 pmAnd often when youneeda Zone trigger, a div wide is much too large.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2025, 10:51:16 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on May 19, 2025, 10:37:11 pmIndeed! But it's useful when reporting a visual bug that a visual reference might be helpful for. 😉

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 20, 2025, 01:10:54 pm
content: Quote from: KungFuJosh on May 19, 2025, 10:29:28 pmReported.

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 26, 2025, 03:22:03 am
content: I found a minor bug in the web console, when using it full screen.To repeat the bug:Setup FFT with a markers list.Place the list on the far right side of the screen.Enlarge the web console to full screen.Try to move the marker list, and it will force it to the left. It will not allow the marker list back to the right side of the screen.The attached screenshot is as far to the right as it will allow me to place the markers list.Tested with the latest firmware using Windows 11 Pro on both Firefox and Chrome.Thanks,Josh

author: KungFuJosh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 26, 2025, 10:25:16 pm
content: Feature request:Ability to set FFT markers based on Y axis value.Currently, I can choose the frequency to try and find the dBm value I'm looking for, but it would be nicer if I could simply enter the dBm value I want to see, and have the scope move the marker to the frequency.In other words, we currently can manually set X axis value to view Y axis value.I want the option to set Y axis value to view X axis value.Thanks,Josh

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2025, 06:05:34 am
content: I wonder why the SDS2000X HD is the only scope in the HD series with just 500MSa/s for the digital channels. Even the smallest HD scope - the SDS800X HD has 1MSa/s. Just because some of the ASICs inside are 1-2 years older? Kind of dissapointing...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 17, 2025, 09:23:35 pm
content: Hi,QuoteWhy, do you need 1 GS/s for analyzing logic channels?In return, the analyzer part of the 2000X HD has five times more memory points.And:The LA in the 2000X HD is integrated into the hardware, as in the 2000X Plus.The smaller HD models (800, 1000) are like the good old SDS1000X-E; they require external hardware, which is why they need SLA1016 instead of SPL1016 in the larger HD.Why the technically more complex SLA1016 costs significantly less than the simple SPL1016 (€390 vs. €505) remains Siglent's secret.

author: Ulrich.G
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2025, 10:29:50 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on June 17, 2025, 09:23:35 pmYou are absolutely right, I totally forgot, that the smaller HD scopes need external hardware.Concering the sample rate - for digital channels there is not necessarily a direct relation between sampling rate and signal rate you are able to measure. Maybe above a certain signal rate, small glitches or short pulses are not visible anymore?

author: daveyk
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2025, 08:01:32 pm
content: Do any of the Siglent scopes let you set the mid-reference point for Pulse Width measurement? I shelved my Siglent scope 4 years ago because of that missing feature.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2025, 08:42:53 pm
content: Quote from: daveyk on June 24, 2025, 08:01:32 pmShort answer? Yes. All touch scopes.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2025, 09:48:52 pm
content: Quote from: daveyk on June 24, 2025, 08:01:32 pmYes AFAIK as I've thought of you and our old discussions when investigating the new Pulse measurements.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-easyscopex-sds1204x-e/msg1996079/#msg1996079A forum search for Pulse Width and daveyk shows many old posts and the above is just one I linked.We owe you some screenshots for your perseverance.....I'll try and get them done today.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2025, 07:17:54 am
content: Quote from: tautech on June 24, 2025, 09:48:52 pmDave, these screenshots are what the baby SDS800X HD can offer for pulse measurements.In the first 2 screenshots the trigger level setting lets us see the pulse width measurement.The next 2 show us the range of measurements available from within Advanced measurements and the last 2 display the choices in Simple measurements and how they are displayed.Hope this helps.....

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2025, 08:56:45 am
content: Quote from: daveyk on June 24, 2025, 08:01:32 pmHere.Slightly trapezoidal signal, and thresholds.Because of mid being set at 7%, Width+ is larger than Width-You can also set absolute values.

author: Performa01
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2025, 08:57:08 am
content: I think what @daveyk is really interested in is the customizable thresholds. It is possible per analog channel as demonstrated by the attached screenshots. They show the pulse width measurement with measurement cursors enabled (to show what exactly is measured) and a 1 µs wide pulse with a 100 ns leading edge. The measurements results for a middle threshold of 15%, 50% (default) and 85% are shown and clearly indicate the effect of the threshold level, which can be set either absolute or relative (as in this example).EDIT: This old piece of power silicon was a tad faster once again...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 25, 2025, 08:58:52 am
content: Quote from: Performa01 on June 25, 2025, 08:57:08 amBut you make nicer pictures and you were more thorough. So there is that too...