The Art of Electronics X-Chapters - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2019, 09:48:58 am
content: QuoteLet's hope that creeping featureitis doesn't interveneSource: that greybeards discussion group,https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sci.electronics.design/bQ5fG5FsUzwDiscretion is advised; it is the good ole wild west over there

author: tonyarkles
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2019, 02:56:57 am
content: Well that is just plain wonderful! I was just looking for something in AoE the other day and they referenced an X-chapter.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2019, 12:13:33 pm
content: Very occasionally I don't mind doing viral marketing. More tantalisation...Quote

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2019, 11:09:13 am
content: The end of the tantalisation is in sight...QuoteSample bits of it are floating around, if you know where to look, and it looks worth the wait.

author: Yansi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2019, 11:19:01 am
content: That seems to be very interesting!

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2019, 01:46:29 pm
content: Plus...Quote

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2019, 06:09:46 pm
content: Thanks for the heads-up!However, based on my experience with the main volume of the 3rd edition, I will not buy the first printing, but wait for a corrected printing. The length of the errata list was a bit of a disappointment... I would have hoped for a trade-in option for buyers of the first printing (get a discount on a corrected printing when turning in your original version), but realize that this is wishful thinking.I'm sure I'll think about something else for the Christmas wishlist!

author: DarkLight
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2019, 09:33:42 pm
content: "The x Chapter" is available on Amazon for pre-order ... for next year!?!link:shorturl.at/mSUW8

author: winfieldhill
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2019, 02:24:08 pm
content: OK, but then who's gonna find the errors? Plus, don't you want you name up in the errata fame pages?

author: winfieldhill
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2019, 02:30:23 pm
content: I can't tell, did anybody put up the DropBox link for the draft 26-page High-speed Op-amps section? Check out the tables, scatterplots and measurements.https://www.dropbox.com/s/aemtyly16mtj87n/Op-amps_High-speed_ch4x_DRAFT.pdf?dl=0

author: exe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2019, 02:44:50 pm
content: Quote from: DarkLight on July 02, 2019, 09:33:42 pmPatience. It takes as much as it takes. I'm glad they split the book into two, so we can already enjoy the 3rd edition, and now X-chapters are coming. Can't imagine how much effort it takes.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2019, 05:16:35 pm
content: Quote from: winfieldhill on July 05, 2019, 02:30:23 pmI certainly didn't, on principle - disseminating it is your prerogative.

author: winfieldhill
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2019, 02:35:06 am
content: Anything that appears on usenet, sci.electronics.design, has been disseminated!

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2019, 06:43:20 am
content: Quote from: winfieldhill on July 06, 2019, 02:35:06 amRegrettably that's become a pretty exclusive community! It feels like a group of acquaintances in a pub, not a large audience.Having said that, I have given sufficient clues that your various excerpts could be found by those with sufficient interest.

author: nfmax
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2019, 09:03:01 am
content: Patience - Winfield Hill also has a day job!As I found when I came across Navsh Wadhwa's paper on the speed/torque characteristics of the bacterial flagellar motor:http://www.pnas.org/lookup/doi/10.1073/pnas.1904577116. Win gets an acknowledgement 'for improvements in the electronics'. This is pretty cool - describing a dynamometer that measures a maximum torque of ~1250 pNm and a speed of ~16,000 rpm, on a biological motor which is a few tens of nm across (dynamically varying in size as stator units are added or deleted in response to the applied load - go read the paper!

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2019, 11:59:24 am
content: For everybody's information:Amazon now has the X-Chapters book up for pre-order with a due date of 31 January 2020. I don't know whether Amazon are hedging their bets with the date or whether the 1st Dec 2019 target date (as previously supplied by Winfield) has slipped.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2019, 03:20:10 pm
content: It looks like Amazon has pushed the date to March 31, 2020.https://www.amazon.com/Art-Electronics-Chapters-Paul-Horowitz/dp/1108499945

author: gnavigator1007
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 06, 2019, 03:26:06 pm
content: Release dates are different for US Amazon and UK Amazon

author: winfieldhill
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2019, 07:50:25 pm
content: Thanks, I had heard there was a paper, but I hadn't seen it. "Improvements in the electronics", sheesh. It's hard for engineers to get credit! The experiment required me to create three complex instruments. I conceived and designed all three, and supervised my technician building them, and then years later I created a new version of the third one, and after losing my technician, hand-made one: a DC-to-10MHz 100-volt 5A laboratory power amplifier, with a 1000V/us slew rate. That's the AMP-70A, which has been explored on the DIY audio group (including a gang of fellows working with Jan Didden), and which is described in the new x-Chapter book, in section 2x.14. Here's a draft copy.https://www.dropbox.com/s/mfy58xfcv1m1inb/AMP-70A_ch-2x14_aoex-DRAFT.pdf?dl=0Or you can explore the entire AMP-70A DIY folder:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dno89om1uezxs8a/AACoJsLyNazSQZvE9_cTcH4Ja?dl=0

author: nfmax
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2019, 11:27:28 am
content: Thanks, that's interesting - and relevant to the ultrasonic transducer driver design I am currently pondering.In paragraph 2x.14.1, you refer to 'a complementary push-pull emitter follower Q6-Q10'. I think that should be Q7-Q10.

author: winfieldhill
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2019, 02:08:56 pm
content: OK, thanks, I've fixed it. We still have another month to find and fix typos like that before the book goes to print, so any errors found or suggestions made are welcomed!

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2019, 05:53:13 pm
content: More tantalisation...QuoteI expect there will be interesting comments on usenet group sci.electronics.design

author: winfieldhill
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2019, 06:00:15 pm
content: The last 11 pages of this 18-page section were just finished, and have not been reviewed by our copy editor (and may not be, as the book is going into page layout shortly), so we'd appreciate any comments, especially from sharp-eyed readers.

author: Haasje93
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2019, 09:17:45 pm
content: Hello Mr Hill,I just started reading the pages and i found something.In footnote 69, there is stated, that in the table stands die size 8mm2. That you can read it as 8mm by 8mm. But if my basics are quite right, it is wrong. Because 8mm by 8mm is 64mm2. Hope to hear from you.Best regards,Christiaan

author: winfieldhill
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2019, 10:31:37 pm
content: Thanks for your comment and question. Well, I see we were quoting IR's HEXFET Databook, HDB-1, 1981, page 96, as to their particular notation method. Now I'd better go back to that 1981 source material and go through it again. And of course, 8^2 and 8x8 are the same thing, 64 squares, 64 square mm, etc.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 27, 2019, 12:12:59 am
content: One of several more tantalising snippetshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/2urywtwwlpt6sjb/2x.12_negative-resistance_WH.pdf?dl=1illustrates one of the reasons it is so difficult to finish the d*mn thing. Note the date in footnote 46It also illustrates why electronics is so fascinating, and why I regretted leaving active development for the darkside. in reality, it can only be abandoned, not finished

author: jmsc_02
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2019, 09:59:37 pm
content: Is there available a TOC?

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 18, 2019, 12:13:52 am
content: I just hope that the X-Chapters and the Learning the Art of Electronics - A Hands-On Lab Course are also released in electronic format as the Art of Electronics 3rd edition was.

author: Paul Horowitz
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 12:07:46 am
content: "The Art of Electronics - the x-Chapters" is currently at the UK printer, with the ink drying by the last week in November 2019; although the "official" publication date is the end of January 2020, we're told that there should be availability sometime in December. We've already pre-ordered our own copies!I don't think there would be any objection to our posting the ToC -- anyone interested? Also, we're going to put up a website in the next couple of weeks, with some sample chapter sections... stand by!Paul

author: mcovington
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 03:07:34 am
content: As another Cambridge U. Press author I can attest that release dates are hard to predict, and my latest book made it to New Zealand before the United States, and some Americans got it before Amazon showed it in stock. I wish you success!

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 08:48:07 am
content: Quote from: Paul Horowitz on November 06, 2019, 12:07:46 amSome tasters are available, e.g.1x.1 Wire and Connectors:https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz335xwvl5v8gie/1x.1_Wire-%26-Connectors_DRAFT.pdf?dl=11x.2 Resistors:https://www.dropbox.com/s/dli62uyuldr7z5q/1x.2_Resistors_DRAFT.pdf?dl=19x.16 Bus Converter: the “DC Transformer”:https://www.dropbox.com/s/nrp5paq1j1u5756/9x.16_DC-xfmr.pdf?dl=19x.23 Sending Power on a Beam of Lighthttps://www.dropbox.com/s/xj5hewvisdo7ai4/9x.23_light-power.pdf?dl=1

author: borjam
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 10:38:27 am
content: Preordered on Amazon.co.uk

author: borjam
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 10:53:36 am
content: Quote from: MasterTech on November 06, 2019, 10:51:30 amI preordered it on amazon.es indeed. I was confused, I preordered something else on Amazon.co.uk because it's not available on .es(Making Waves, The Art of Cinematic Sound if you are curious).

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 12:17:21 pm
content: Would love to have one signed by the authors... is there any chance?

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 02:13:40 pm
content: Sweet. Preordered. Price is even pretty reasonable. Good stuff.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2019, 06:58:18 pm
content: Preordered too.

author: georgeleeroy
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 22, 2019, 02:05:04 am
content: In the wires and connectors chapter, Table 1x.3, is Fmax of APC-7 really 50 Ghz? Thought it was more like 18, maybe 20.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2019, 03:39:41 am
content: On Amazon.ca preorders are not available, but i went to amazon.com and preordered from there just fine, with shipping to Canada.

author: Paul Horowitz
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2019, 05:10:13 pm
content: Breaking news: the x-chapters arein print! We just got the first two copies to arrive in the Western hemisphere (see picture). Here's the link to the website: x.artofelectronics.net

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2019, 05:19:46 pm
content: Quote from: Paul Horowitz on November 27, 2019, 05:10:13 pmI'd love to have a signed copy. Is that possible?

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2019, 05:53:29 pm
content: Quote from: georgeleeroy on November 22, 2019, 02:05:04 amWikipedia says 18, but they were used without (significant) moding on the HP 8517A/B test sets rated for 50 GHz, so...Good question.

author: bsdphk
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2019, 06:14:06 pm
content: The HP8517, properly calibrated, will have compensated for any small-ish deviations from the connector.

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2019, 06:28:56 pm
content: Quote from: bsdphk on November 27, 2019, 06:14:06 pmTrue enough, but that reasoning only goes so far. For instance, if a mode results in large impedance excursions at certain frequencies and you connect the test set to an amplifier port that expects something close to 50R, you might need to de-embed the results.As in, "de-embed" the fragments of the MMIC package from your ceiling tiles.

author: Paul Horowitz
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 27, 2019, 07:20:15 pm
content: Winfield and I are happy to sign books, but the shipping to and fro complicates things. Win has sometimes bought copies of AoE3, which we've then signed and put on eBay for a fixed "buy it now" price that covers our costs (book plus postage). We'll probably continue that tradition, which aligns well with our test purchases (for checking for counterfeits).

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2020, 02:50:23 pm
content: FYI, in response to someone receiving the book, Win Hill points out...Whoa, lucky you! Paul and I haven't even gotten ouron-order boxes of books yet.BTW, reminder, CUP's 20% discount is over 29 February."use code AEX2019P at the checkout to receive a 20%discount!"https://view.updates.cambridge.org/?qs=e5cee29db3292f77662e391d0ad84649df61c049e5a1ea7f5725fcdc4d6b171a8c35523f08a0116ce2c476d7bd11ffc0ef97587b42f9f7e462ea6d6d7cd02b077aba63d0ae44ea83d2d46e6901d9d796

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 14, 2020, 03:12:03 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on January 14, 2020, 02:50:23 pmCool! I didn't know that you could pre-order through CUP. I've been avoiding pre-ordering it through Amazon for all the usual reasons (awful labour practices, not paying any taxes etc.). Now pre-ordered with CUP with a grand saving of £0.10 on the Amazon price as well as a clear conscience - cushty!

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 15, 2020, 09:26:21 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on January 14, 2020, 03:12:03 pmYes, I would have preferred that too.I've just been informed my £40 Amazon book should arrive 5th/6th February.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2020, 12:14:23 pm
content: Look what the postman just handed to me!No questions on the contents yet please, I've literally had this 5 minutes.Edited to add:"Pre-ordered" through CUP on this Tuesday afternoon around 3 pm with the expectation of a fair old wait for it - arrived midday today. That's less than 48 hours from 'pre-order' to delivery.I think I'll go and buy a lottery ticket and see if my Doctor's got an appointment free tommorrow at a time that's super-convenient for me. :-)

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2020, 02:32:08 pm
content: Lucky. Here Amazon says it's going to be another month.

author: mark03
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2020, 05:04:17 pm
content: FYI, if you are in the US like me, ordering through CUP with the discount code may not beat the Amazon price, but it is close. Close enough to avoid Amazon IMO. (The difference for me was less than a dollar.)

author: mcovington
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2020, 01:50:49 pm
content: Yesterday I canceled my Amazon pre-order and ordered from CUP. (I'm in the US and am a CUP author, so I get a discount.) They claim it is available in the US now; that is, this is not a pre-order. They have not yet told me the order has shipped, though.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2020, 01:58:41 pm
content: İ think İ'm going to do that too.

author: Noy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2020, 06:56:27 pm
content: Im from Germany.Amazon said today its shipped. It will arrive in monday 😁

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2020, 07:42:47 pm
content: OK, please take a step backwards for a moment because I need some help here. I might have glanced through the Art of Electronics a few times and I am aware of its legendary status among the electronics community, but what are 'X-Chapters'?

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2020, 08:33:22 pm
content: You will have seen many references in TAoE like 3x.11. They are references to the x-chapters.FFIhttps://x.artofelectronics.net

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2020, 09:29:34 pm
content: AOR'X-Chapters'would make a great TV mini-series.Picture the authors doing the wiggling torch thing in some dusty cobweb filled secret underground bunkerinvestigating and dissecting electronic equipment of unknown origin and purposeMight get a couple of seasons out of it, or do a frugal production and wack it on YoutubeI'll show myself to the door..

author: Echo88
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2020, 10:58:00 pm
content: Got my book today

author: mcovington
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 21, 2020, 05:10:04 am
content: Got mine today - Athens, Georgia, USA - ordered from CUP in the USA a few days ago.

author: ivaylo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 22, 2020, 12:59:52 am
content: Ordered from CUP last week with the discount coupon someone posted here, x-chapters arrived today, pretty pleased...

author: fastguido
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2020, 12:37:33 am
content: For those who have received the book, how is the condition of the book itself. I am on my third one from Amazon, they just throw it in a box with no packing, corners all dog-eared, even after taking to CS about the lack of protection. I just ordered one from CUP, fingers crossed.

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2020, 12:48:26 am
content: Mine was perfect, came from amazon.de

author: richnormand
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 30, 2020, 01:27:17 am
content: Ordered mine from Amazon.ca last friday. Arrived monday in perfect condition.Packed in a large box with big inflated plastic bubbles wrap inside.Delivered by FedEx.

author: notsob
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 30, 2020, 02:35:54 am
content: received my copy late last week, from bookdepository.com

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 31, 2020, 01:38:07 am
content: Quote from: fastguido on January 30, 2020, 12:37:33 amTHIS!...Stupid amazon. Book was just sitting with the face against one side of the box with a single bubble pack on the other side. Free to slide around at will, which it did. Smashed corner. That's just stupid, so I made them pay for it. Free two day shipping of the replacement and a $10 credit. The new one shows up packed exactly the same as the first, but luckily the hulk didn't deliver this one and it wasn't damaged.Question. When amazon is at fault for inadequately packaging the shipment, who eats the cost of replacement?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 31, 2020, 02:08:44 am
content: Got notified of shipment today, should receive it in a couple days now. I hope it's worth it!

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 31, 2020, 06:20:53 am
content: Quote from: Smokey on January 31, 2020, 01:38:07 amAll of Amazon's customers, since these "costs of doing business" become part of their sales prices.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 02, 2020, 08:19:30 pm
content: OK, just received it today. (And yes, Amazon shipped it in a small box with no padding, so there's a corner slightly smashed, but it's really not much - I won't return it - but yeah Amazon definitely sucks at shipping books.Anyway, yeah the book is a nice addition to the AoE. Not disappointed. (Not too much anyway!)

author: Paul Horowitz
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 03, 2020, 07:31:51 pm
content: Here's a place you can get it... CUP's bookstore in Cambridge UK, with nice reflection of olde English architecture

author: aargee
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 01:43:40 am
content: Damn, nine months ago I could have had that argument about baggage allowances with the better half, as we visited Cambridge. :-P

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 01:47:38 am
content: Quote from: Paul Horowitz on February 03, 2020, 07:31:51 pmThat's a placement for a best seller!

author: julianhigginson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 02:05:06 am
content: Just saw this new thread activity now.Ordered!It's a really nice feeling to be able to order direct from the publisher without using amazon.

author: aargee
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 12:24:12 pm
content: How did you do that, I can’t seem to order it from Cambridge Press from Aus?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 03:10:44 pm
content: Quote from: Paul Horowitz on February 03, 2020, 07:31:51 pmNice!Would have been a bit of a trip for me just to get a book though - not that the trip wouldn't have been pleasant.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 03:27:36 pm
content: I have got mine yesterday from Amazon, came in good condition, even though it was just in a normal envelope style carton, without padding. I guess if yours got smashed, it depends both on the warehouse which did the expedition (they don't pack the things the same way) and the Post not playing football with it.I thought that the book will be more or less just a few "esoteric" topics that I won't really need so much, so I have ordered it just to complete the AoE book I have already. Man, was I wrong! Chock-full of useful info, especially for someone like me who isn't EE by trade.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 03:37:07 pm
content: Quote from: janoc on February 04, 2020, 03:27:36 pmSorry, I couldn't resist...

author: worsthorse
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 04:49:04 pm
content: I ordered mine from Amazon, cancelled the order when I found out that I could order it from CUPS. Received it about ten days ago; in perfect condition.Fourteen pages, just on resistors. What more do I need to say?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 04:55:04 pm
content: Quote from: janoc on February 04, 2020, 03:27:36 pmIt was delivered by an Amazon delivery guy directly. Dunno about all the intermerdiaries there is before. But the package itself didn't show any sign of damage. I think it's just the packaging step itself that slightly damaged a corner because it was just a bit too tight.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 07:20:29 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on February 04, 2020, 03:37:07 pmYay duh, sorry, English is only my third or fourth language.Even worse, I live in France atm, where the verb "expédier" and the derived noun "expédition" don't mean only Livingstone's trip but mostly someone dispatching a package/order from a warehouse.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 07:24:48 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 04, 2020, 04:55:04 pmHere in Picardy they use mostly contractors, there is nothing like an "Amazon delivery guy" here. Always an unmarked white van, driven by a private contractor that likely does deliveries also for TNT, Mondial Relay and who knows who else when he doesn't drive pizza or a taxi around. But maybe that's because I live only about 10km from a large Amazon depot. Otherwise they ship by Post.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2020, 07:56:10 pm
content: Quote from: janoc on February 04, 2020, 07:20:29 pmNo foul, it kind of, sort of, works in English as well but is (1) a very unusual construction, (2) too good a pun to pass up.

author: wohali
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: February 05, 2020, 10:39:16 pm
content: Just got my copy from amazon.ca ("Ships from and sold by Amazon.ca.") I'm worried this is a counterfeit. Can anyone who ordered theirs from CUP, or amazon.comhelp confirm? I'm seeing:Paper is extremely thin, as compared to my copy of AoE 3rd ed (1st printing). I can easily see through the paper to the other side's printing, and the page beneath that. I can barely see through the page in AoE 3rd ed, and only to the printing on the other side; I can't see the page below that.Skewed printing on many pages. For example, measuring from the top of the paper to the top of the grey box on the table of contents header, the left side is ~1mm lower than the right side. It's minor, but visible.On every page, the top margin is a lot smaller than the bottom margin. Typical top margin is about 1.4mm, typical bottom margin is about 2mm.2 blank white pages after the last index page (don't know if this is normal or notMost of the other "tell-tale" signs as posted athttps://artofelectronics.net/the-book/counterfeit-editions/arenotpresent. The "fi" ligature on the title page is present, the cover on the spine is not wrinkled, pages are not stuck together at the edges, pages do not extend into the gutter, the black end-pages are smooth and not glue-smudged, the photographs are clear, and the price was CDN$ 68.95.If this is how the book is - that's fine, I can live with thin paper and a bit of skew. But if it's not how it should be, I want to be sure this goes back to Amazon (and I'll order a replacement directly from CUP!)

author: gnavigator1007
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 05, 2020, 11:00:23 pm
content: Sounds ok. Ordered mine from CUP and is same as you describe yours though I had not really noticed other than the pages being a bit see through. Perhaps some of these things are intended to help distinguish the legit item from counterfeits

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2020, 11:06:52 pm
content: Quote from: wohali on February 05, 2020, 10:39:16 pmI didn't order the X-chapters yet, but have just received a new copy of the main 3rd edition volume. (The "improved" version, whch Amazon.co.uk currently sells at a low price, as discussed in another thread here. I wanted a copy with the known errors corrected.)Compared to my 1st printing of the 3rd edition, I can confirm that the paper of the new printing is indeed thinner. The book is a few mm thinner than the original printing, and more noticeably the printing on the reverse side is indeed much more visible with the new paper.The top margin is smaller than the bottom one; that's probably intentional. (It's 1.4 cm, not mm, right?). But no skewed printing that I would have noticed.So I guess the new choice of paper is a general CUP decision. Not an improvement. The new book is certainly usable, but the original printing is more pleasant to read. I am torn which of the two copies I should make my main go-to book now...

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2020, 11:09:41 pm
content: My copy from Amazon UK...my copy is like that; I hadn't noticed until I explicitly looked for it. Book's weight is 1140gthere is a slight effect like that, but nowhere near 1mmmy copy is like that. It is consistent, easily seen by riffling through the pages and observing the top horizontal line barely moves. I imagine a counterfeit would be less consistentmy copy is like that. Many books are like that, it being a characteristic of book bindingOverall, I wouldn't worry, and I doubt decent counterfeits would be available so quickly. In a short time, maybe.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2020, 11:18:01 pm
content: The last new book I bought from Amazon had very thin pages. It also had a solid color sticker on the front cover that seemed rather pointless and I wondered why it was there. So I peeled it off. Under it was printed:Indian Edition----------------------For Sale in India Only

author: wohali
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: February 05, 2020, 11:32:10 pm
content: Thanks everyone - false alarm. Glad to clear that up.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 05, 2020, 11:58:17 pm
content: Casting my ex-printer's and book binder's eye over the book I'd say the following.Yes, the paper is thin but I think that's a feature. The paper a nice smooth, strong coated stock and is, I suspect, quite expensive. The coating (china clay) is there to improve the opacity; without it this would be what's known in the trade as 'bible paper'. It's a 500 page book but is only 17mm thick (excluding covers). By happenstance I've got another hardback next to it that's exactly the same depth but only runs to 240 pages. The X-chapters book printed on the same stock as that book would be unwieldy at twice the thickness in my opinion.Not seeing any evidence of skew on my copy. I'd have expected any signatures with this fault to have gone in the bin at the printers, they normally literally stick out of the pile as they are being printed and are the result of a sheet misfeeding with a slight yaw. (The signatures are printed as flat sheets called an imposition, 16 pages to a side in the case of this book, and then folded repeatedly down to make a signature of 32 consecutive pages.Top margin being narrower than the bottom margin? That's pretty muchthestandard book layout.Yes, there are 2 blank white pages after the last index page. This is to make the number of pages in the last signature up to 32 pages.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2020, 11:56:30 pm
content: Seems like there is nowhere to buy the ebook or PDF yet. Or some sort of direct donation to the authors.I have no interest in owning the physical book.

author: julianhigginson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2020, 12:35:28 am
content: Quote from: julianhigginson on February 04, 2020, 02:05:06 amWOW that was fast.Less than 72 hours from placing the order to receiving the book.Looks like my CUP order came from the Australian CUP office... Australian tax invoice and everything.They must have had it ready in stock here, and sent it straight out. (despite only having it on their site as a preorder..)Now to get some time off projects to actually read it.. :-)

author: Black Phoenix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2020, 02:14:03 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on February 06, 2020, 11:56:30 pmYes that is my gripe about it too. The Art of Electronics exists in eBook, but both the Learning the Art of Electronics and this new one X-Chapters they don't exist in electronic format. Release and I will buy them in a flash.

author: julianhigginson
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2020, 04:04:59 am
content: How is AoE in eebok format? what device do you use to read it?I've had terrible experiences with kindle format technical books... To the point where I just won't buy them any more.Graphs and diagrams pixellated to the point of being useless, having to constantly pinch in and out and lose what I'm up to....

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2020, 06:04:55 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on February 06, 2020, 11:56:30 pmThere isn't an ebook yet, but if the demand is there then they'll 'print' one. Go to the CUP website, find the book and there's an "I want this as an ebook" link, click on it to signal that there's a demand for an ebook version.

author: tomeo.gonzales
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2020, 07:32:22 pm
content: I really like the laboratory DC power supply (page 454).I want to build one for myself but designing a PCB for it is well beyond my knowledge.If some PCB guru on this forum can design and publish Gerber file for this power supply it will be a nice gift for all beginners.

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 14, 2020, 09:29:45 pm
content: Quote from: tomeo.gonzales on February 14, 2020, 07:32:22 pmStep 1: Do it anyway.QuoteStep 2: Post your board design here for criticism. That, youwillget for free.

author: worsthorse
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2020, 12:35:50 am
content: I didn't realize counterfeits of AoE were a thing until I read this thread. I checked and yeah, I got a rip off version, shipped through Amazon but not by Amazon. Unfortunately, I didn't figure it out until it was too late to ship it back.I still don't know how I managed to miss Paul's last name being spelled wrong on the inside title page.

author: Caliaxy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2020, 01:45:37 pm
content: Quote from: worsthorse on February 21, 2020, 12:35:50 amI would still try to contact Amazon and inquire them about swapping the counterfeit for a legit version (and paying for the difference, if the counterfeit was cheaper). The might not care, but they might - it’s worth a try.