the persuasion and growth of academic hype (a research paper) - Page 1
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author: Simmed
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2025, 03:07:46 am
content: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378216621002447‘Our striking results demonstrate …’: Persuasion and the growth of academic hypeQuoteQuotemany other similar research about this are also out there

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2025, 03:48:45 am
content: Ugh, I'd probably stop reading if I saw hype like that in a paper. Mind you it's seemingly obligatory for almost every paper to point out its novel contributions to the field, and conversely a paper on the topic "we tried this cool idea that turned out not to work, here's the details" is essentially unpublishable.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 28, 2025, 04:28:29 am
content: When you know that everyone in the group of writers was using their preferred and likely different AI LLM to write their part.....

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2025, 01:00:19 pm
content: Quote from: Cyclotron on September 28, 2025, 04:28:29 amI heard someone working at a university talk about how they were using AIs to write grant applications trained to get better get past the AIs that's first process grant applications ...

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2025, 01:08:50 pm
content: I can understand that one, when you're spending more time writing grant applications than doing the actual research then I'd say it's valid to use AI to get past the excessive hurdles.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2025, 04:19:47 pm
content: Quote from: 5U4GB on September 28, 2025, 01:08:50 pmit's more the silliness of using an AI to write text tailored to "trick" another AI, so in the end it is resources wasted on a bunch of computers talking to each other

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2025, 04:28:11 pm
content: During my grad school studies in the 1980s, the cynical joke was to apply for a grant to do the work that had just been completed, but not yet published, to keep the laboratory going.In the actual physics papers written by Albert Einstein, he did not need the words “new”, “crucial”, “powerful”, etc.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2025, 04:48:52 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on September 28, 2025, 04:28:11 pmThe bulk of Einstein's theory was devised on its own money while he was working for a patent office. And that's something that wasn't completely unusual for scientists at the time.Ironically, the professionalization of scientific research in the XXth century has led to its demise.

author: Cyclotron
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 28, 2025, 05:13:50 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 28, 2025, 04:48:52 pm100%. Science isn't done for the sake of knowledge but for the sake of capitalism. Somewhere along my path in life, I've heard it said that there would be no funding to discover a cure for the common cold because pharmaceutical companies make huge profits from selling products to treat the symptoms.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 28, 2025, 05:36:13 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on September 28, 2025, 04:48:52 pmEinstein's great year (special relativity, Brownian motion, and the photoelectric effect) was work done in 1905 as a side-gig while working at the Swiss patent office until 1909.He then had several academic appointments in Switzerland, before being recruited to Germany.In 1914, he moved to Berlin to join the Prussian Academy of Sciences and the Humboldt University of Berlin, becoming director of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Physics in 1917. (Wikipedia)He published his first paper on general relativity while at the Prussian Academy, and his seminal paper on stimulated emission while at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, both during WW I.He qualified for professional office based on his pre-professional work.