Tektronix 11k Series Info and 11401 related documents. My first scope.  - Page 1
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author: paraboliclabs
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 09:04:53 am
content: Boat anchor warning: This is to indicate that this post is about big heavy test equipment.I originally posted on groups.io/TekScopes two days ago. However, I've been on the internet long enough to know if you're passionate about something you should share it with as many other groups as fit. If you wanna follow my Tektronix 11401 journey, I will be posting videos and on my paraboliclabs youtube channel and I'll be posting various things i find and groups.io/TekScopes and EEVBlog.com/ForumInto - Day 1The 11k series, and the elusive 11401. Almost all google searches result in low double digit number of results. The ones that do return a large number of results are mostly user manual sales. The 11401 and other 11000 series sadly has missing extended service technical documentation and I've only seen prototype pcb pictured. There are some cool 1980's 11000 series marketing materials from vintageTEK on youtube and single self test videos on youtube and that's about all I could find. No one seems to care about them largely and It seems to be almost forgotten. Outside of a handful of sites, and a tiny number of posts and pages from the likes of tekwiki, evvblog, groups.io/TekScopes, hakanh.com/dl/ and barrytech.com plus the wayback machine, the internet archive, and ArtekManuals. There is nothing. Compare that to a 453, or the 7854 you get millions and millions. I mostly resorted to scouring the old 1986, 1987, 1988 Tektronix product catalogs for my cross reference knowledge on the machines general capabilities, recommended probes for each plugin, plugin compatibility. Yeah yeah, read the manuals. easier said than done as I had to find them first. People talk about dreading working on their 11400 scopes. But a quoted service center tech said, "The 11400's are boring to fix; they're no fun to troubleshoot because the diagnostics finds the problems so quickly and easily." I'm sure it's mostly marketing but the 11400s were engineered from the ground up with self diagnostics in mind. They offer a very wide range of features and really is the pioneer of DSOs. (probably why they later code named it 'pioneer', if not ... wow that foresight)Why should anyone care about the 11k and largely the 11400? Do I have buyers remorse?The Tektronix 11400s brought high expectations and new standards for what a digital scope is and what it could be. The 11k line brought to market advanced triggering, storage, full hardware and firmware program-ability, Live operation, high accuracy, high resolution, multiple channels, plugin modular-ity, 7k plugin compatibility, self calibration, self diagnostics and a freaking touch screen interface + many other features that all good DSOs have today. Going by today's standards almost all of those features are vital. If it were not for the 11k series and largely the 11400 line, i believe the Modern Digital Storage Oscilloscopes probably wouldn't be what they are today. I feel there is enough room for argument to say that the bench-top DSO would probably be nothing more than a pico pci-e card or a phone with a usb dongle if it were not for the 11400s. Why? Well first, everyone was watching Tektronix after the 7854, how could you not? With eyes on them, they had to do something bold, and I believe they did just that. The 11000 series was released in 1986, only 5 years before pico technology. The DSA600s released in 90. Talk about breathing room. If Tektronix didn't go where no scope designer went before, and released just another analogue scope with 500 buttons instead of 250, or a mediocre DSO with 250 buttons, the DSO wouldn't have progressed like it had so vigorously with the 11000s into what they are today. They wouldn't have had time to engineer the 11k line if they made a 500 button analogue or a 250 button DSO first, pico tech would have came out, and with the accessibility of the microprocessor ruling the world. I don't see how DSOs would have been relevant. The 11400 wasn't designed for today in 1982-1986, it was designed for today in 2020. All modern oscilloscopes should look to the 11ks and largely the 11400 for their grandscope. Sure 11ks only have 20 mega samples per second, but it's cousins the DSA600s with plugins like the 11A72 can get you to 500Mhz @ 2ghz sample rate. Truly mental for the 1990s. Anyway, just an afterthought I had floating in my brain, but maybe you can see how if it were not for machines like the 11400s which came out in a crucial time right before mass pc computers and pico technology the mighty DSO might just have become just another piece of software on a laptop or another apple dongle. I think we can almost all agree that this was for the better. The 11k series to me, is likened to zx spectrum, the bbc micro, or commadore 64 of oscilloscopes. The one that started it all. And if you ask why hasn't pico become more popular ? that i think is because established companies were already making DSOs before we were blessed with the pico. so much was already invested into what modern DSOs were to become. so there was no room for pico.What are my plans with this machine? No... I don't have buyers remorse what makes you say that?I got this largely for the 11k plugins it has in it, notably the differential comparator, also 2-4 channel amplifiers lol, the mostly working mainframe with Option 2D - Extended Memory is a bonus. My plan is to use this as my first scope, and fix it until I feel like i need breathing room and as i can easily upgrade into a DSA602a while still using the plugins, once i collect enough excess 11k plugins and probes, i plan to get a 11302a and have a very decent set of retro-ish scopes. Currently awaiting arrival. I will update this topic, post pictures, and I will be posting videos on youtube about this scope as this is almost nothing about it online. Im currently in research and developing a robot with multiple dual core 64 bit risc-v chips and fancy mechanical 3d printed parts.Onto the now hopefully rose tinted machine itself.I just picked up this Tektronix 11401 with Option 2D - Extended Memory, it came with two 11A34s and an 11A33 from ebay for 199, and 50 usd shipping. It came from a university who's upgrading. Overall seems decently kept for a machine built in 1986. I also swooped up a few P6134c, P6134 and P6135's probes. I also went over to ArtekManuals and bought the 4 volume manual set they offer. I believe that they have the 2 missing extended service manuals i cant find on the open internet. The machine passed almost all of its self tests with a single fault on the TimeBase Test with fault code G2121. There is also a penciled X by channel 2 on the far right 11A34, possible dead channel?. My initial thought without reading the manuals because they haven't arrived yet, is that the timebase G2121 fault is from that pencil'd x channel that could be dead as its marked with a x. lol.... honestly no clue, it's what i can tell from the photo and knowing nothing about the machine or really electronics engineering, im a software guy who just recently fell in love with the programming language of solder! The machine hasn't even shipped yet! Im typing this as I eagerly await my boat anchor. You and I will find out more when it arrives. in the mean time, i await the service manuals and i get to read the user manual!!! Wait who reads these anyway?Day 2Oh, i forgot to mention, I'm new here! Not sure if my humor really came across like joking about the dead channel causing a time fault. (it was a joke on how i am dumb)Anyways im reading the extended service manual 1 and the timebase G2121 can either be 1, 2, or 3 of 2 things. lol. Basically either the 19MHz clock Y2040 <10> on the Acquisition Board or the MPU clock Y220 <16> on the Time Base board is out of tolerance. I am willing to bet it's the Y2040 <10> because there is only one timebase fault not two. if there were two timebase faults I'd have a G2111 fault as well since that test also uses the Y220 <16> for timing reference. The G2111 fault is when the 10MHz crystal Y100 on the acquisition board is within 0.01% and the circuits necessary to generate the time base board's system block are somewhat functional. If there were 2 time base faults, it'd hard to diagnose which chip is causing which fault, is it the MPU causing both?, or is the MPU fine and Y220 <16> and Y2040 <10> are both out ? Or are they all three out lol? Ooof, glad it's only the G2121 atm.The Artek manuals are amazing. The 11401 extended service manuals, which are not just scanned in either, they are digitally remastered. Highly worth the $15 for all 4 major books, but mostly just for those three service manuals remastered. Please if you need these extended service manuals, don't ask me I won't give them to you, please support Artek!I should say also some other various stuff about this machine and it's upgrades through out it's life. there are two extra extended lifetime service manuals. One is a U350 and U552 replacement guide, mostly just a ESD sensitive slam-pak install tutorial, might have more didn't fully read it yet. Two is a Reliability Improvements for 11401 on serial numbers B010100 - B019999. It talks about firmware version 3 upgrade chips and a trigger enhancement, essentially from what i read it will avoid spiking the waveform when the end of holdoff and the triggering signal coincides. I'm willing to bet most 11401's have had the trigger enhancement, because the manual is from 1988 and Tektronix, i believe from what I was told was giving out free improvements customers could pickup. Additionally after the improvements were made public and distributed, Tektronix were already supplying 11401 scopes with the improvements installed. Hence why you can find model numbers for 11401's after the service manual supports with an age older than the manual. Both were scanned by Zenith and they are herehttp://www.hakanh.com/dl/kits.htmright now, i don't believe i found them anywhere else. That site also has an incomplete 067-0587-10 manual supplement to 067-0587-02, you can find a more complete one on the tek wiki. which is actually the manual which shows how all 7k calibration fixture signal standardizer can be switched to a 7612D, and 11k calibration fixture signal standardizer. once the modification is installed it just depends on what way the internal S135 switch on the 067-0587-02 is set to. With S135 pushed facing forward toward front is for 11k and 7612D it's called the 067-0587-10 in this mode, and switch pushed back, facing rear is for 7k and called a 067-0587-02. You can find the original 067-0587-02 calibration fixture signal standardizer instruction service manual on tekwiki or The Boat Anchor Manual Archive. Once you have both 067-0587-02 and 067-0587-10 manuals, i'd edit 067-0587-02 by placing 067-0587-10 manual before section 1 like it says in the 067-0587-10 manual. I've seen a few 067-0587-02's with the 067-0587-10 mod already installed, so you might already have it, but i wouldnt buy a 067-0587-02 betting it had a 067-0587-10 mod... Alsohttp://www.hakanh.com/dl/page has several useful tools and obsolete Tek software like Docuwave 1.2. Which was hard as heck to find. I believe this is the last version working for the 11401's.Also just picked up some probemaster 8017S's, pretty sure these are the best leads for the price, if 8017S's arent for your meter or you, checkout probemaster cross reference to find the right probes! i really wanna buy probemasters oscilloscope probes, but golly they are almost the price of my scope, one day.That's all for todayI will try and reach out to Dave at ArtekManuals and ask if he has the non remastered version of Extended Service Manual 1 and Extended Service Manual 2 for the Tektronix 11401 that he could release for free as these two documents are the only ones in existence that I know of and I searched for days. His ESMv1 and ESMv2 are literal gold though, if you need it just buy it for now until we can figure out how to get these manuals in public hands.

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 09:56:19 am
content: Quote from: paraboliclabs on July 11, 2020, 09:04:53 amWelcome to the forum!

author: paraboliclabs
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2020, 09:45:29 pm
content: Quote from: tv84 on July 11, 2020, 09:56:19 amThanks, much appreciated! Here's some obligatory boatanchor tax.Day 3My wife Ace Venture'd the box inside wondering what in the heck it was. I almost had a heart attack seeing that large heavy box flying and hitting the floor with such commitment. Good thing it was well packed.My bench space has been reduced. but of course it has. a 44 pound beast flew north and landed on my desk. I've had to removesomeallot of more modern equipment and rearrange my electronixs area, so i'm in the middle of that, but i love the look of this thing already in my little corner of a lab. She seems to be working just fine even with the time base fault. I played with almost every setting I could with only a single probe. Seems fine. I would have done something fancy for the picture like displaying something and like probing my PS280 with the 8024B and displaying with with the scope but never enough time when you're developing cutting edge robots. Still waiting for my set of original differential probes tips...stupid post office. I did initially have a bit of trouble with the right channel 11A34, the gain test was reading out of tolerance and she wouldn't enter enhanced accuracy mode. So I just let her warm up for an half hour more than the twenty? mins it had to be on for to be able to go into EA mode. I then cycled the power. She came back on just fine and being precautions i waited for twenty minuets just to be sure, although I later realized this machine can recover from standby, so I probably could have tried it after it came back on. but i waited for everything to be fully charged and it entered enhanced accuracy just fine.Pretty neat for being her hulkamaina'd across the living room. Can we just take a moment to appreciate my wife and her ability to throw one of these boat anchors? And maybe also take a moment to appreciate the fact a boat anchor can withstand a good tossing. I'll be honest. I was totally worried about the thing being utterly destroying in shipping, then again thing is massive and heavy. Probably not the greatest form factor for throwing, but don't tell my wife that.

author: tkamiya
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2020, 04:50:13 am
content: I had a 11403 before - it's color version of yours. I rarely used it but it's an amazing device! I still have a DSA602A.

author: snoopy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2020, 09:39:28 am
content: Original Tektronix promo video of the 11403. Very impressive scope for its time

author: Rollin Hand
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2020, 02:40:12 pm
content: I have one of this beast scopes.Do you have any info on how to make the dallas chip working again ?Already have 2 plugins with bad calibrations,desoldering this chips are the end of them.Thanks

author: calibrationfixture
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2025, 10:29:17 am
content: Hi Rollin Hand,Normally replacing them isn't a problem. Did this with dozens of these Modules. An alternative for the Dallas DS1220Y is the ST M48Z12-70PC1 e.a. With the exception of the 11A52 and 11A81, losing the Cal Data isn't a real problem, because you can run a Module Calibration (Enhanced Accuracy Procedure). The only Error that persits after that is the missing Module UID. The Procedure for Programming this is described in the Service Manual. I can provide bins of working 11A52 and 11A81's.Success,Calibrationfixture