FTIKE 19b Multimeter from Aliexpress - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: fubar.gr
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 12:16:55 pm
content: http://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/Free-shipping-FTIKE-Digital-Multimeter-Fluke-19B-can-replace-FLUKE-19B-features-automatic-range/32306479738.html#Seems legit

author: m100
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 12:45:49 pm
content: The way things are going a name perfect clone can't be far away.Don't turn it on, blow it apart.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 01:05:31 pm
content: 2 transactions in 6 months (Australia and Serbia). They're not exactly flying out the door.I've been around most of the electronics shops in Shanghai and I never saw blatant copies like this one.Maybe available in Shenzhen, for the export market. Chinese shoppers prefer to buy the real stuff.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 01:29:31 pm
content: Box-head Deng Xiaoping should have said to his comrades "To get rich is glorious... but use your own fucking brains for once."

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 02:00:38 pm
content: Would like to see what's inside...

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 02:11:39 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on June 09, 2015, 01:05:31 pmMaybe, but the piracy market there is rampant. Some western companies have gone bankrupt because of Chinese state sponsored piracy. Their People's Liberation Army hacked into Australia's famous Minelab metal detector plant and next thing you know you could buy Minelab clones on eBay - the outside was identical copies but the insides were crap. There is proof the PLA hacks foreign governments and businesses to steal ideas and to spy. The USA have had a gut full of them - from stealing the F35 top secret details, to building fake islands for aggressive purposes, to stealing massive amounts of corporate intellectual property.The best thing we as electronics people can do isembargothese pricks who sell fake and rip-off electronics products. Don't be greedy and pay more and buy the genuine article. In the long term, you will be much better off for it.

author: fubar.gr
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 03:04:47 pm
content: The ratings shown on the front are CAT I 1000 V, CAT II 600 V.This is more believable. At least they didn't label it as CAT IV 1000 V

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 07:05:33 pm
content: They can't decide who to copy. Extech? Fluke? How about Mextech name with Fluke colors and user interface layout?http://www.mextechinstruments.com/digitalmultimeters-15b.htmlhttp://www.mextechinstruments.com/digitalmultimeters-17b.html

author: Grapsus
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2015, 08:49:48 pm
content: What's the point of copying the appearance of a Fluke meter ? For example with a fake Rolex watch, some people, at distance, might think that you're rich or something. With a fake Fluke you won't get a meter that's built like a tank and that gives you confidence in its reading.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 03:45:16 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on June 09, 2015, 03:37:53 pmThe USA is the home of innovation. It has part of their culture for hundreds of years. Apollo 11, the integrated circuit, the telephone, the electric light bulb, the transistor, the aeroplane, the Stealth fighter, and the televangelist (OK, there are some things no other country would ever want to copy). But the US has no reason to steal intellectual from other countries because they created most of it.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 03:52:08 am
content: Somebody has to get one and tear it apart then give it a viking funeral!

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 04:08:43 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on June 10, 2015, 03:45:16 amTo be honest, they didn't like the idea of Marconi's patents, but then again Marconi's patents were after the patents from Oliver Lodge, John Stone Stone, and Nikola Tesla.But I do think we did bend some rules to assure we didn't depend on foreign patents as far as radio was concerned. But who knows? RCA ended up with all the radio patents somehow.

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 06:46:41 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on June 10, 2015, 04:08:43 amRCA did not invent television (and neither did just John Logie Baird), but they invented the television industry. RCA, like a lot of great Americam companies had vision... literally.

author: Delta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 06:51:56 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on June 09, 2015, 03:37:53 pmAre you a sixth-form student?

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 07:17:46 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on June 10, 2015, 06:46:41 amRCA has an obscure past, but hey my dad worked for them and for GE for that matter after he left the Air Force as an EE working on radar/telco back in the 60s.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA#Organization_by_General_ElectricBut they did manage to absorb Marconi after all. But then there was the matter of Farnsorth.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo_FarnsworthStrange times indeed.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 08:50:46 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on June 10, 2015, 08:26:49 ammeh, you are really reaching, so we are good into getting the right people here, so all of that was still under the US umbrella, but I guess some are sore about itFor example in my field (AAA game programmer):http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2014/09/05/GAMA14_ACG_SalarySurvey_F.pdfQuoteEurope treats their employees like crap and everything is more expensive and the taxes higher. But yeah, I can get fired anytime but the funny thing is that I don't get fired because I pull my weight, so all those labor laws in the EU is hurting more than it helps.So there you have it. If you are skilled and a hardworking person get over here. Employers here appreciate you not like in the EU where it seems they are doing you a favor to give you a job, an unmotivated one so you do a half ass job.Of course YMMV because I can't say my salary is around the average published in there because it's not (in a good way).Or stay in there and enjoy your free health care, education, etc...And as a bonus you get to keep telling us how we get only half a point for everything we did and still do while we are laughing all the way to the bank

author: MadScientist
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 09:35:15 am
content: Funny , I was working for a US company in Europe, when they transferred us to the US , we had a lower salary as the pay grades for the same grade was lower , you also picked a particular profession , game designers , which is somewhat of an outlierAdd to that , state and federal taxes , huge property taxes , massive education costs. Health care etc, for a husband , wife, my two kids actual disposable income at the end of the day wasn't much different, in my personal experience.Labour laws don't prevent Europeans from being fired, it's just you have to have a reasonable reason.It's worth noting that when you remove military spending , the US extracts as much tax from its populace as the EU overall.Having lived in the US , it's not the light touch state that some believe it to be, I found the bureaucracy incredible in the US compared to several other European countries I've lived in.As for innovation, Europeans are generally better, especially the British and French. What the US is exceptionally good at , is commercialising ideas and leveraging the size of its homogenous marketplace to build big successful industries. In that respect , the real US talents are sales and marketing.European has always been constrained by lack of a common language ( and a common identity) , if it had a single one, it would be the world undisputed tech leader by miles in my opinion. ( it also needs of course to stop having periodic wars too )All this is someway away from cheap fluke rip offs. I wouldn't worry about cheap clones , they always end up killing their own marketplace

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 09:42:42 am
content: Well I can only speak from my experience in Spain, France and the UK but that was decades ago before I moved to the States.But I still have friends and family in there including Germany. My cousin (female) asked for a raise at her company in Germany and her boss told her that he didn't understand why she would need a raise because her husband made a good living. That was on the last decade, so what can I say.Yeay EU let's all go there!Don't get me wrong, I miss my home town in Spain and it's a beautiful place, but I can't stand it for more than a couple of months at a time.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 09:43:41 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on June 10, 2015, 04:08:43 amdevils advocate ....They also stole the Rocket scientists from Germany so not much invention there for NASA was there.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 09:49:43 am
content: The NASA team actually succeeded right after, competition is a good thing, makes you think and work harderThe logistics to get a man in the Moon was orders of magnitude higher than what happened before. Actually I don't think it can be done now by anyone fifty years later.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 09:56:02 am
content: Trying to be serious a minute, China has the right ethos as far as I am concerned, they take something and they mass produce it cheaply, much like supermarkets who buy cheap, stock high and sell at a profit, no one really bitches about wallmart prices or tesco's, they just grab cheap products fast and dont care how it got on the shelf. Who shops for clothing in Primark but really cares about how items got made or the fact some kid worked in a sweat shop to give it too you, no one really, sure they make the token bitch over it all but they still fill their baskets with products and smile as they pay.If china sorted out production on real quality parts in the clones they would hammer most countries in all areas. Volume sells more than quality really, joe bloggs wants it cheap and is prepared to neglect the build quality most of the time.I look at China as being like the ant hill of the world, all those little soldier ants working away regardless.In fact , no disrespect to anyone on the forum but it is even evident here that people want it cheap regardless of other reasons, the whole forum is littered with aliexpress and china posts, buy it there , its cheaper, even if only a transistor that they then post about being crap and burning out, but they still purchased it from there didn't they knowing chinas reputation for rubbish.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 09:57:59 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on June 10, 2015, 09:49:43 amYes but how soon after, and how much of that success was down to spiriting away German scientists who had already succeeded in order to show them how, someone once told me that being second is next to losing.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 10:02:40 am
content: I'm not denying that, we are good at getting the right skilled workers here.Although now we seem to educate them and keep them away because of the stupid immigration laws, a shame I say.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 11:08:07 am
content: I know nothing of the USA , or it's labour laws etc etc , my brother does, he went to Oxford UNI did a degree in computer law and went to California some place, then tried to tell me I couldn't do something I knew I could and so he got the strop when I did it. But anyway, as far as I can see America does nothing but protect it's market place, I say that with a big pinch of salt because in doing so they damage it, I say that because when you look at the likes of India , China or some other such country that mass produces as cheap as is possible they then moan about the prices and limit imports from them but they dont then try to do the same, I'm not a commie but lets be honest, if your going to moan about another country ripping you off or producing cheaper goods and your market is falling maybe it is time to copy the competition, look at Japanese firms in America, look at how hated they were because of past events and yet now they are a model of production, how many Jap cars or motorcycles are on the roads there, how many firms use Jap electrical components ?.There are people who will say yes but that means lower wages and we want more, but then doesnt cheaper prices also mean that you get more for your money and so in essence it is a pay rise or a cheaper standard of living. No one will import from America unless they have no choice because they keep prices up, so they import from other countries then America gets the hump and sanctions those cheaper countries, and around it goes, America is no virginal white bride when it comes to industrial espionage is it really.If people want to moan about the input safety of DMM's etc then play the chinese at their own game, someone design a PRE input plug in box with all the safety features required to protect you from mains AC etc etc and then sell it. problem solved, one box fits any DMM, plug in your leads and plug it into the meter. Turn a dangerous pos into something at least half decent. Then again, I know nothing. But I like the idea of a seat belt in my car rather than no seat belt ( I get the analogy if others dont ).

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 12:22:08 pm
content: Quote from: Deathwish on June 10, 2015, 09:56:02 amChina has no ethos except money.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 12:40:18 pm
content: But isn't that the point for any countries economy ?.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 12:42:14 pm
content: Quote from: Deathwish on June 10, 2015, 09:43:41 amReminds me of The Right Stuff:

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 12:48:21 pm
content: I love this sketch myself.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2015, 10:18:12 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on June 10, 2015, 03:45:16 amYou aren't right! That was right at the start, because tons of great minds from Europe came there (and bastards too, but that's other story). These days things are changing, there's less opportunities to non-natives that don't get lower wages (H1N1 or whatever is called, or was that a flu disease?), but still happens.USA steal brains all the time and is currently a very strong lobby on IP. This makes their companies stronger than the rest. But even R&D is moving to Asia these days too.Despite chinese still make crappy copies like Japanese did at the start with watches, I hope they progress without a shitty government and finally become totally high technology. Sometimes long traditions and civilizations with a long history are a chain to the progress, China had a long tradition of extremelly crazy politics since Confucio times.