The Feral Crazy Band - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / rf-microwave

author: jonovid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2020, 10:57:30 pm
content: here is what the public citizens band radio sounds like on a weekend when most are intoxicated.no licences, no rules, anything goes!10 minutes of UHF CB . the non-stop offensive or colorful language can go on for hrs.warning offensive languagehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1NqaWZRlFjllbaGTRXsA7dTLoZMnde9VJ/view?usp=sharingwas there rules for citizens band radio? if so, who does the enforcement?

author: bob91343
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2020, 01:48:32 am
content: The FCC was almost immediately overwhelmed by the arrogance and low class operations of many CB operators. So they threw up their figurative hands and stopped enforcing rules that were universally ignored. Even in the case of amateur radio, they did pretty much the same thing. However, it seemed inappropriate to keep a watch on amateur radio operators when the CB crowd ignores tenets of reasonable operation. So the FCC decided that the best enforcers of amateur operation were the amateurs themselves, and when abuses became flagrant the FCC would step in.That is the current status and it's unlikely to change. What has changed is the operating procedures of both services. The CB channels are pretty much deserted these days due to the proliferation of the Internet and cellphones. The amateur radio bands have reacted similarly although there is a hard core of serious operators who enjoy operating. These latter people are experimenters, builders, DX enthusiasts, CW enthusiasts, and contest operators.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2020, 01:52:48 am
content: CB band is shared for non commercial usage and available for any people.This is something like street where you can meet and listen any crazy peoples.If you don't want to listen someone, you can enable squelch with CTCS or DCS tone code.

author: jonovid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2020, 01:15:44 pm
content: broadcast radio stations must keep a 24/7 recording of all programs put to air.particularly talkback broadcast radio stations,why not UHF CB repeaters do the same? for example, one HDD could record the audio of up to 4 repeaters 24/7or 4 x 700hrs one month of audio along with a timestamp track, for example, investigateing criminal behaviour. may not stop this , butyoung children can get given, toy 0.3watt 80 ch Hand-held UHF CB transceivers then finding a way to get access to the repeaters.having conversations about adult subjects with adult strangers. it's happening. the reason I posted this.unsupervised young children are on the band.

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2020, 01:47:39 pm
content: Quote from: jonovid on August 08, 2020, 10:57:30 pmSturgeon's Law - "ninety percent of everything is crap."Logically and demonstrably that includes people.

author: vk3yedotcom
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2020, 11:05:13 pm
content: Australia used to have CB radio licences but these were scrapped in the '90s.Banter and swearing where people are willing participants probably won't interest the authorities.But where it's sustained harassment then it could and does. Eghttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-09/adelaide-man-pleads-guilty-to-harassing-people-over-cb-radio/6079664

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2020, 12:02:07 am
content: Quote from: jonovid on August 08, 2020, 10:57:30 pmBack in the day, such stuff was fairly common on HF CB.When Oz first established our unique UHF CB allocation, the users considered themselves "a cut above" those using 27MHz, &didbehave better.These days, 27MHz is pretty much deserted & the "swearing bears" are all on UHF, or on the Internet!

author: jonovid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 14, 2020, 03:02:58 pm
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on August 11, 2020, 12:02:07 amwould be Interesting to know if ACMA here in Australia, would let FM or digital modes on the old un-used 27MHz band?I would use the band more if it had new modes, with less noise. now its free of the so-called "swearing bears"

author: vk3yedotcom
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2020, 10:07:11 am
content: Quote from: jonovid on August 14, 2020, 03:02:58 pm27 MHz still has its moments particularly in the summer.FM can be crisp and clean but the range won't be as good as SSB.Local signals can be clobbered by interstate signals in the summer.And it's nowhere near as efficient as SSB so you'll need really good conditions to make interstate contacts - as soon as there's a bit of fading FM falls off the cliff while SSB and even AM hangs in more.Digital modes would be interesting. Though Foundation hams now have that on 28 MHz and other bands.

author: vk4ffab
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2020, 01:01:15 pm
content: Quote from: jonovid on August 14, 2020, 03:02:58 pmCbers are using js8call. Not legal, but that dont stop them.

author: Mark19960
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2020, 01:42:54 pm
content: CB in the UK (speaking about England) can be hit or miss. Generally far more behaved than in the states.You have your muppets but nothing - and I mean nothing like in the states.The states is a completely lost cause.In the states its all about power and talking over the next bloke.Myths and misinformation reign supreme and the "community" tolerates massive scam and deception campaigns.You have these "techs" as they like to be called that put forth some of the most absurd misinformation that they would make even the current American president envious.Then you have the "builders" - amp assemblers as I call them that use the same poorly copied base Motorola design from the 1970s.This bunch use the most dodgy and unsafe practices that downright scares me at times.Keep in mind that every radio - yes every radio - comes defective according to these "techs" and require some variant of "set up", "qc work", "rework", "upgrade", "repair", "modified" etc to be useable. It is true that most need to be modified because they are illicit "10 metre" radios that are an end-run around the rules.In my nearly half a century on the planet... during my teenage and adult years I can't recall very many instances where I received a defective electronic product.To make it even worse, most of these "techs" - if not all of them - will not sell you a CB radio unless it's had the things above performed.I have yet to find one of these "techs" that would sell me an unopened radio. They will not do it. They claim "reputational harm" or some other rubbish.Another egregious practice is the constant "refresh" that must be performed. a lot of them tell you that CB radios must be realigned, recapped, upgraded ... on a yearly basis.Their "mods" go out of date and must be brought "up to date" regularly. The radio might cost a few hundred US dollars but you will spent twice that for the first round of "stuff" they do.Then you need to have the "new" mods - usually the latest snake oil or "discovery" of theirs.There is even one bloke that claims your house or vehicle will catch fire if you do not get his modifications.It's not uncommon for a radio on Amazon to cost 300 USD but at a "tech" to cost well over 1,000 USD for the same radio.Oh, and you have to wait for a year or longer because they are "busy"You have to "get in line" because their dodgy business is an extension of their personal finances. Pay is up front.That is because they need your money today to finance the job they took 6 months or more ago.The business model is literally robbing peter to pay paul. It also means that by the time you either start wondering when you will get the radio, you have no recourse.Most payments are done to these chaps via paypal "friends and family". Very few are above board.Arguments and swearing on the air are one thing but in the states most of the nastiness is perpetuated by these "techs" or "builders".They will do anything - literally - to retain their customerbase that is constantly fleeced and perpetuate their mostly criminial activity.FCC doesn't care about it. It has to be pretty egregious before they do anything. FCC has also been weaponised.They use FCC as a means to threaten, intimidate, shut down or impede a competitor. Some of these chaps have Laura Smith @ FCC on speed dial.It's gotten remarkeably worse since the 1980s with a big boost in the 1990s with the internet.Some of us use the band for casual conversation when we just want to talk on radio.There are a few good people left. But I stress that it's few.I tell most people curious about radio - especially CB - to take up gardening. Better for you.

author: bob91343
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 17, 2020, 06:08:10 pm
content: Mark you hit it on the head. But it's tilting at windmills. These idiots delight in flaunting their fake expertise but after all, that's how the president does it.

author: Lord of nothing
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 20, 2020, 07:31:13 pm
content: QuoteWhats that? Something like PMR446 in Europe?QuoteIts legal in Europe. Some pepople still do Packed! thats HARDCORE!

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 21, 2020, 02:43:19 am
content: Quote from: Lord of nothing on August 20, 2020, 07:31:13 pmA bit more "full-on", I would say.UHF CB was originally intended to replace the 27MHz version entirely.To that end, it uses repeaters to get around the (normally) shorter range of the UHF service.Truck drivers went over to it for everyday use, although some retained 27MHz as well.Many large work sites have signs telling drivers to call on a particular channel.27MHz was originally going to be phased out in 1982, but CBers whinged, moaned, had "tanties", & eventually they were allowed to keep it.Quote