Kickass deal or BS? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: Saitama
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 16, 2019, 10:11:56 pm
content: Hello!I am planning to buy an oscilloscope and while searching online I found these:https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hantek-DSO5202P-Digital-Oscilloscope-200MHz-2Channels-1GSa-s-7-TFT-800x480-USB/153545160387?epid=10017608135&hash=item23c00136c3:g:q34AAOSw-0xYPSeVhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/OWON-XDS2102A-100MHz-12bit-ADC-High-Resolution-Decode-Digital-Oscilloscope-BS3/153545158037?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D27d5ee92bee34d179d68068c74e11f83%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D153545160387%26itm%3D153545158037%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851Are these the real deal or just another scam?

author: jaromir
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 16, 2019, 10:22:56 pm
content: BS.

author: Cubdriver
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 16, 2019, 10:27:42 pm
content: If it sounds too good to be true, well, you can guess the rest. Scam, scam, scam.-Pat

author: ArthurDent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 01:30:05 pm
content: This message has appeared at the top of the listing page for the Hantek scope and all 276 of the seller's other items. It could be the next step might be for the seller to disappear from eBay:"This seller is currently away, and is not processing orders at this time. You can add this item to your watch list to purchase later."If you do a search for 'Hantek DSO5202P Digital Oscilloscope', the listing for this $49 scope does not come up although you can still link to it from the original post. The cheapest price listing for this scope on eBay now is $329.

author: therealdjryan
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 02:06:42 pm
content: I ordered one and got a tracking number. At that price why not? We'll see what comes in the mail....

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 02:22:21 pm
content: You'll get a tracking number, if you're lucky it might even be a real one, however, it won't be to your address or it will be for somethiing completely different, if you don't raise a case with eBay the instant you realise you've been ripped off (any time now) then the seller will mess you around, even offer to replace it as long as you ship the 'wrong' part back at some exorbitant cost to dealy the inveitabel sound of your money vanishing forever into their pocket or just ghost you completely.As long as you don't give an inch you'll get your money back but be damn sure to follow the eBay process, even call eBay (yes they have helpful people on the end of the phones) and then your money is fairly safe.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 02:30:37 pm
content: scaaaaaaaaammmm reported

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 05:44:44 pm
content: Quote from: therealdjryan on July 17, 2019, 02:06:42 pmMy guess: "Nothing!"Tracking numbers are worthless, sellers can put any old number in there and eBay will accept it.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 08:28:35 pm
content: tracking totally worthless, ive been had for an de-5000 lcr (thread here), they shipped it to an unknown adress 800km from my home ?? Tracking did not work at all in ebay ... be warnedIt could be an envelope, a post card etc .... anything but not your scopeEbay must love loosing moneyeven with reporting they do nothing ...Quoting myself : I saw tons of Ebay registrations dating year 2017 and 2018 before they dissapeared, maybe they used some kind of bots

author: GeorgeOfTheJungle
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 08:36:51 pm
content: Purchase history:https://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=153545160387

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 08:55:43 pm
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on July 17, 2019, 08:28:35 pmpaypal will hold the money until buyer gives +ve feedback or within 45 days not really sure which one. but dont worry, the money is safe, if its through paypal... but i guess its not the seller who sent the parcel since he is currently away and he does not ship to malaysia so i guess its also a warm offer to fellow westerners

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 09:34:43 pm
content: Not so sure Paypal changed a few things recently, when i sell things on Ebay, i'm getting paid faster than before, i was at 21 days, and now its under a week ...... in my case ?the seller was selling this :New for Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD Solid State Drive (#153545184668)and it was removed ... check the bad feedback, surely in one month they will dramatically increase.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 09:42:35 pm
content: Hacked account. There is endless supply of fools so this scam never ends.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 09:55:44 pm
content: Quote from: therealdjryan on July 17, 2019, 02:06:42 pmAnd thus we perpetuate the scammers earning a buck. They really should start refusing to pay out any compensation. Maybe losing $50 will bring sudden clarity. Or maybe they should simply start prosecuting when people willingly and knowingly engage in obvious scams.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 10:37:43 pm
content: I don't get the purpose of trying to scam while using the Ebay / Paypal payment system. If you file a claim you get your money back so where is the profit model for the scammer? Maybe there is some money to be made from the few which are dumb enough to let the period during which you can file a claim pass?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 17, 2019, 10:55:02 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 17, 2019, 10:37:43 pmThe scammers stall and take the money and run. Remember they tend to use legit accounts they somehow gained access to. There's little to no escrow on those. Ebay pays back the buyer and makes a loss. You're enabling the seller to walk off with enough money to try again. You're perpetuating crime.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 01:53:31 am
content: Something is fishyIf you check this :https://www.ebay.com/usr/sanhetiyu222Check the store or items to sell, you see nothing, and clearly ebay show you on the first thread 2 items for sale.You have : Based in China, sanhetiyu222 has been an eBay member since Jun 24, 2018and in the items for sale :"Sorry, something went wrong! We aren't able to display what this member has for sale, but here's where you can go to see all of their listings."Here we go again, lots of deceived people to come

author: ArthurDent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 04:17:44 am
content: If you read my post #3, when this started sanhetiyu222 had 278 listed items for sale and there was a link to their eBay 'store' which basically had all the same items. When eBay was alerted to the problem I believe eBay put the "This seller is currently away, and is not processing orders at this time. You can add this item to your watch list to purchase later" message on all their listings which stopped (blocked) all further transactions, then when eBay determined it was a real problem, they canceled all their listings and closed the store which is why you now see no listing for this seller.One way a 'business' like this can build a lot of positive feedback to make you think they are legit is to list a lot of very cheap junky items then buy the items themselves using fake accounts. If you check their feedback and you see a lot of feedback from buyers with only a couple of feedbacks, you can assume these were fake accounts that were created just to have a bogus transaction so they can give themselves positive feedback. This seller had a string of about 50 transactions in a row with buyers with 0 and 1 positive feedbacks which looked very suspicious. I believe an eBay store give the seller a bulk rate so they can have a lot of listings without putting up a lot of front money. I also assume this seller very actively kept their PayPal balance near zero so when eBay got notified and froze their PayPal account, there was almost no money in it.

author: snoopy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 05:15:38 am
content: Read the negative feedback. Says it all !https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=sanhetiyu222&myworld=true&items=25&iid=-1&de=off&which=negative&interval=365Quote

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 08:49:44 am
content: Quote from: ArthurDent on July 18, 2019, 04:17:44 amThat is possible but it would still require the seller to direct the money to a secure place where Paypal can't claim it back. It is certainly not as simple as opening an Ebay & Paypal account and get rich quick.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 08:58:46 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 18, 2019, 08:49:44 amWhat's so complicated about that? It's known these scammers keep their Paypal accounts close to zero as not to lose much when they inevitably get shut down.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 09:53:19 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 18, 2019, 08:49:44 amWhich is not a big problem at all. Just transfer to some bank account.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 10:11:13 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on July 18, 2019, 08:58:46 amI don't know if you ever opened a Paypal account but to withdraw money from it you need to send some ID to Paypal and go through a verification process so Paypal is sure that a bank account belongs to you and the address matches. For a scammer to get away he/she would also need access to a hacked Paypal account and transfer the money elsewhere where it is not traceable. It really is not that simple.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 10:14:05 am
content: Quote from: snoopy on July 18, 2019, 05:15:38 amNice detective work, when you see the buyers feedback, you see many repetitive names, but the score are not always the same

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 10:16:51 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 18, 2019, 10:11:13 amIf Ebay could use banking accounts as a second step verification, maybe many crocks would be blocked ?? Would be fun to try linking many Ebay loggings to only one bank account and see if Ebay would detect it ?

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 10:25:51 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 18, 2019, 10:11:13 amID is only required after a quite lot of money gets transferred to it, at least it was so in recent past. IIRC it was over EUR 9k per annum for me a few years ago. Also faking picture of ID is quite trivial FWIW. In the worst case you could just buy bunch of cheapest fake IDs. Also there is such thing as hobos selling their ID for a small sum of money.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 10:32:33 am
content: Quote from: wraper on July 18, 2019, 10:25:51 amThere are plenty of people providing access to their accounts for a small fee, not realizing the trouble they're getting themselves into.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 10:46:20 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on July 18, 2019, 10:32:33 amWe have this crap going with micro credits. There is some online job offer. "Employer" asks for access to "employees" bank account to "verify ID". Fools give it, often creating new bank account, as they think there is no money on account anyway. Then scammers get as much money as they can from micro-credit organisations transferred to this account and then transfer it away. And fools get to pay all of the debt.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 10:50:03 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 18, 2019, 10:11:13 amIt is if somebody uses the same email/password for ebay and paypal.We're fairly sure this is a hacked account so maybe they got access to both.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 11:00:02 am
content: There is also a way to simply buy goods for resale with stolen money.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 11:51:49 am
content: Quote from: wraper on July 18, 2019, 11:00:02 amThey wouldn't sell them at a fraction of what they're worth.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 01:04:05 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on July 18, 2019, 11:51:49 amWhy not? It's very widespread with credit card frauds.

author: ArthurDent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 04:49:26 pm
content: Well at least this seller must be on the up-and-up.https://www.chaseso.com/supply-triple-siglent-technologies-spd3303--e-output-poweredit: adding a Chaseso review link.https://www.trustpilot.com/review/chaseso.com

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 06:38:00 pm
content: Quote from: ArthurDent on July 18, 2019, 04:49:26 pmWhich quite likely is hacked website. Only bags are available by navigating from the main page. Only way to get to electronics is by using search engines. I've also seen scam internet shops inserted into domains completely unrelated to any sort of sales.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 18, 2019, 09:34:07 pm
content: Recommend to lock this thread, its discussed so many times and ends up people wasting time and money..https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/deal-alert!-ut210e-us-$17-27-on-ebay!/https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/der-ee-de-5000-counterfeit/https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/new-e-bay-scams-with-fake-mailings/

author: e0ne199
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2019, 10:38:37 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on July 18, 2019, 09:34:07 pmwhy do you want to lock the thread?? i am also a victim of their tricks... now i am waiting for paypal to refund my money... i really hate those people who tried to get money on ebay using that trick and are still able to get away..

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2019, 10:46:45 pm
content: Quote from: e0ne199 on July 19, 2019, 10:38:37 pmBecause people buy the items when these threads are posted, even though they are told it is not going to arrive. See the guy above.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2019, 11:43:09 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 18, 2019, 10:11:13 amMoney mules. You don't need a hacked account when gullible greedy people are everywhere. Also note how close knowingly buying into scams on Ebay is to being a money mule.https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/fbi-joins-international-campaign-to-stop-money-mules-121718