Can Anonymous shut down Russian military satelite access? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: DTJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 02:35:58 am
content: What are peoples thoughts on this?Is it likely to be true? I would have thought they'd have a closed system.I hope that it is factual.If outsiders had some control (other than blocking) then perhaps they could brick the satellites or crash them.

author: alpher
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 03:03:19 am
content: "anonymus" scrip kiddies can hack into 7/11, maybe, on a good day.Who hides behind that Bs. name we'll never know.

author: DTJ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 03:20:55 am
content: Quote from: alpher on March 02, 2022, 03:03:19 amYeah, hence my skepticism.I've always wondered why they have not taken down the kiddy porn and similar networks.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 03:35:04 am
content: Well, Roscosmos is the Russian equivalent of NASA. I rather expect that the Russian Space Force, who even have their own launch facilities, are unlikely to leave their spy satellites under the control of a civilian agency, just as the US DoD don't let NASA control their space systems.If this is real, and not the blatherings of a bunch of immature attention seeking dweebs (which is more likely), then they have just taken out controls of weather satellites, earth observation satellites and other scientific missions (some related to the ISS) just because they are too stupid to tell the difference between a military organization and a civilian one.

author: alexanderbrevig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 03:35:41 am
content: I would be sceptical to any news that's hard to fact check these days, news pertinent to Russia in particular.Anonymous really is decentralized, as such most anyone can claim to be part of Anonymous. They, or I should say weare not _just_ script kiddies.Though most of the impact of Anon stems from the sheer number of compliant foot soldiers. Most of anonymous simply put their hardware to use, and are in effect just nodes in a massive DDoS. (I suspect very many don't even realize they are breaking laws running various commands they found on an image claiming to be some operation for justice)Then there's the hacktivists/grey hats, and of course the LulzSec types that simply just pick random coloured hats and do whatever. Chaotic evil, or chaotic good - depending on who's judging.There's also quite a large chance that anyone actually having the skills and then luck with some exploits will be or have been sympathetic with Anonymous, and as such share the "glory". It is more scary for the victim (or aggressor in this instant) that they are under attack of the many, rather than simply one talented person getting lucky.They are legion. We are many.

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 03:38:31 am
content: 1. The picture with a login page says "Auto Transport Monitoring System". Not sure what this has to do with space.2. Roskosmos does not control military satellites. Once the satellite is in the orbit it is passed to the military.3. I doubt any of their computers are on the internet. Even in more benign places like a room where you get passports you can see computers with signs "do not connect to the internet".

author: alexanderbrevig
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 03:42:32 am
content: The only credible thing about that image is that that Linux version has known exploits, such as privesc:https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/44298

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 07:01:48 am
content: Quote from: alpher on March 02, 2022, 03:03:19 am10 years ago it was a bunch of kids.Then the FBI busted the kids.Today it's FBI/CIA/NSA

author: MathWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 09:01:06 am
content: So I'm struggling to find out how my MP3 player's MCU work's. I suppose even if I got it's ROM, as in it's internal program, even that is probably encrypted/obfuscated somehow.I guess in real life all the cast of The Matrix should have CS degree's LOL

author: Kleinstein
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 09:16:45 am
content: It is rather unlikely the Russian millitary is that vulnerable, but there still is small chance to have unexpected security holes and flaws.In cyber land even a small group could hit a lucky punsh and the larger the system the more potential targets.The internet presentation of Roskosmos may very well be at risk, especially for something like a DoS attak, but this would not really effect the militiary, more like the news and TV stations, not getting pictures (though they may not care much about autenticity anyway).Even if the hackers are just amatuers, they may still find a random weak spot, and informations from more official agencies may find it's way - intentionally or by accident (picking up a virus or back door installed by one of the big players).

author: MathWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 09:39:13 am
content: Do they run windows ?

author: penfold
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 10:10:31 am
content: In a conventional direct sense, hacking is surely next to impossible, encryptions are so strong and so many back-doors in established operating systems are getting closed because they get revealed in so many small-fry attacks.But... my first guess would be that with a series of low-profile "hacks" to propagate a rumour that a real direct hack has been achieved, or to manipulate some less secure data to give that illusion, or at least a perception that they're seriously trying... might just trigger an internal response to upgrade hardware or update some software, or prompt a lot of rebooting or reconfiguring or necessitate that personnel are moved around the building to perform any of that outside of their normal clearance level, might just put the system in a more vulnerable state... perhaps maybeOr, if they (the hackers) themselves have no intention of trying, making it appear as though it's possible might just prompt others to try and maybe succeed or fail. Or even they (the alledged hack-ees) themselves could manufacture the rumour, hack eevblog accounts, pose such a question and get a mass opinion of ways they need to harden their system. You never know whether there are double agents who are already aware of that, ready to respond in ways that'll obfuscate the real plan... that would make for a fun movie.

author: eugene
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 02:25:02 pm
content: I assure you comrade, Natasha and myself are observing for electronic hobby only. Please, continue amongst yourself conversing.

author: Labrat101
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 03:04:27 pm
content: Don't think that the Russians would think too kindly to being Hacked and would just piss them off even More.Their Motto is to Shoot first . & say sorry afterwards if at all .& to Advertise that you were doing such a thing would only mean .A) you have death wish .B) IF you could Hack there Satellite . Should keep Very quiet about it

author: penfold
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 03:26:47 pm
content: Quote from: Labrat101 on March 02, 2022, 03:04:27 pmI get the sentiment, but there we have another motive for falsely advertising a hack... if every person who claims an ability to pull off the hack gets one soldier chasing them, that's one less soldier killing innocents... cue rousing music for a "...no I'm Spartacus!" moment.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 04:20:05 pm
content: Quote from: penfold on March 02, 2022, 03:26:47 pmIf you want to get twisted in thinking about it, it could even be a Russian disinformation campaign to divert resources away from concentrating on the war proper. Journalists who would otherwise be, say, writing up a piece about deliberate targeting of civilians that would ultimately lead to more pushback from the world, are dispatched instead to see what if anything Anonymous have actually done, a CIA analyst who might otherwise find information that could be usefully leaked to Ukraine via back channels is tied up investigating the purported Anonymous hack because Senator La Brea's horse wants to know if it's true or not, and so on.

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 05:02:45 pm
content: I doubt average hackers can penetrate key military infrastructure, such as satellites. I doubt these systems are connected to Internet at all. Field agents and special technical means would be required to penetrate such systems.On the other hand, given the overall state of its military forces, I would not be surprised if Russia does not have operational surveillance and communication satellites at all, or does not have sufficient amount of field equipment that work with satellites that are operational, and rely on foreign services such as GPS instead.Also, military satellites belong to and are controlled by Russian Aerospace Forces, not Roskosmos.

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 05:39:22 pm
content: Quote from: vad on March 02, 2022, 05:02:45 pmFYI the US currently has 28 GPS satellites, the Russian GLONAS constellation has 27 satellites. At any time there will always be the odd satellite in maintenance mode, and some non-operational as designated spares in both constellations. So I don't think the Russians are relying on foreign GPS but are getting nice military grade, encrypted, jamming resistant signals from their own satellites.Of course, like the British army once had to do, they may not have enough military grade GNSS receivers to go around and have to rely on less accurate civilian ones as well as military grade ones, but I'll bet you a penny to pound that if they are those civilian GNNS receivers are tuned to GLONASS.

author: msuffidy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 05:47:19 pm
content: You may be able to jam satellites with RF. Taking them over would probably be pretty hard without inside security information. On the topic I was wondering if you could make a ICBM shrapnel shield by all the LEO starlinks having self destructs at the same time?? Guess it depends on how thick their missile plating is.

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 05:58:34 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on March 02, 2022, 05:39:22 pmThere were reports that Russian ground troops do not use / are not equipped with receivers. This could mean anything. Maybe the reason is that they did not expect to fight ground war. Maybe they don’t have sufficient supply of receivers.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 06:32:24 pm
content: I remember from a few years back Anonyomus claiming a war against narco cartels in South America. A few days later several of anonymous were found hanging from a bridge with their guts open. So Anonymous may not be that anonymous as they might think. Just recently watched a documentary about "Commander X", the Anonymous grandfarther. Trying to avoid prosecution he ended up crossing the US illegally from Canada to Mexico where he applied for a political asylum but later was arrested and extradicted to the US.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 06:53:00 pm
content: Maybe "Anonymous" can also reverse climate change and solve nuclear fusion.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 07:12:29 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on March 02, 2022, 05:39:22 pmSource ->https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2019/8/23/viewpoint-russia-china-alliance-on-navigation-satellites-threatens-gpsQuote ..."Russia and China have been increasingly moving toward greater synergies between their respective satellite navigation systems since at least2015. "Source ->https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3165924/chinas-beidou-and-russian-glonass-sign-new-deal-rival-americasQuote ... "China and Russia have agreed to coordinate their satellite navigation systems as the two countries further solidify their partnership to rival the US-owned GPS. This comes as Russian President Vladimir Putin hailed “unprecedented” close ties with China at a meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing ahead of the Winter Olympics opening ceremony."Suggesting to read it all as it has much more details.Btw, this 1st article is written in 2019, and we all know Russia and China military have been working together intensively lately like joint naval or army exercises, pretty sure in 2022 now its different from 2019 where the article was written.

author: luma
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 07:55:22 pm
content: It's important to remember that Anonymous isn't a group and there is no "leader" or any of the things one associates with a group acting together. It's a brand, an idea. Anonymous can be anyone, and anyone can be Anonymous.

author: LaserSteve
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 09:10:52 pm
content: Chance to post my favorite poster, no other comments, other then to say, these days, hacking often needs the help of a "state" service or source code from the factory. I know of no way that a mere human can read 16+million lines of code in a modern OS.Steve

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 09:21:52 pm
content: Boris' surname is "Badenov", which parody of Boris Godunov (historical Tsar and later opera) seriously annoyed the Soviet government.Natasha's surname is "Fatale". She had a large influence on my youth, not far from Frostbite Falls, Minnesota.From the movie: "Boris, what are we doing darling? We've been trying to catch Moose and Squirrel ever since we first got drawn. We tried to stab them, shoot them, smash them, smush them, crush them, bash them, mash them, squish them, and they don't even know our names. I'm tried of all this, Boris. I don't want to be spy no more. Let's face it, darling, we suck. We can never catch Moose and Squirrel."

author: vad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 09:51:00 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on March 02, 2022, 07:12:29 pmRussian conventional military forces are by large a Potemkin Village, partially conscript-based, mostly poorly trained unmotivated force armed with 50-years old equipment. Most of its alleged strength is just a PR. Of course there are exceptions (nuke forces, for instance). But the forces that are invading Ukraine are just as described in the 1st sentence.Throwing name does not make any impression. Mongolian Armed Forces conducting join exercises with US Armed Forces does not tell anything about Mongolian military strength.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village

author: eti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 11:12:22 pm
content: Pretty sure this is POLITICS, and would be closed, if the admin want to be consistent

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2022, 11:22:13 pm
content: Quote from: eti on March 02, 2022, 11:12:22 pmWell fortunately they don't have to be consistent, and moreover even if they did have to be, they can tell the difference between politics for the sake of arguing politics and discussing the technological realities behind a story in the news that just happens to have a political background.

author: LaserSteve
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 02:55:31 am
content: Just because I'm curious, how useful is civil [L series] GPS in the conflict area/ surrounding area? To keep it civil, I'll also ask How useful is Glonass and Galileo?Before anyone gets unpleasant, remember Glonass shares the overlapping frequency band with GPS ! Jam one and you can mess up both.Anybody heard of any jamming, or worse yet, meaconing?Not exactly being scored/reported on the USCG Navcen website as I would expect. Note, unless nationalized by the military in time of declared war, Navcen is pretty much civilian. It is the communication interface for worldwide civilians to many navigation systems.Did our Air Force / Space Force turn on GPS Selective Availability again? For those who did not live during a certain age, SA adds a position dither to the civilian GPS feed.US president #42 ordered SA turned off during his cycle in the White House. So many of you have probably never experienced a 300 meter random jiggle on your hiking sprees.Steve

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 04:17:47 am
content: Quote from: LaserSteve on March 03, 2022, 02:55:31 amGet ready for some doublespeak, SA is off and will never be turned on (not even implemented on recent GPS satellites?)..... but:Quote from:http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=1657Quote from:https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/sa/IGEB/Selective Availability (a named specific technical feature) will not be used but GPS (un)Availability in Selective regions may still be applied.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 07:40:35 am
content: Quote from: vad on March 02, 2022, 09:51:00 pmI guess the Taliban like those farmers wearing flip-flop with half century AK-47 beg to differ.

author: dietert1
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 08:03:14 am
content: On February 18th i had to travel by car for about eight hours, for a business visit. One hour before arrival i noticed that the GPS had ony 3 or 4 satellites, fewer than usual and half an hour before arrival i lost GPS navigation. That wasn't funny. On the way back, i mean after some hours, everything was normal again. Wondering what was the reason, after thinking about a russian satellite destruction test and about GPS reserve satellites coming online, i agreed to myself that the observation was caused by bad weather or by the age of the GPS receiver. All speculation.Regards, Dieter

author: jonovid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 10:23:34 am
content: if push comes to shove the West is not immune to getting satellites hacked ether. eye for an eye.can the EU live without Russian gas to keep warm ?. or would they prefer the instant thermonuclear option.

author: Labrat101
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 10:32:39 am
content: Quote from: jonovid on March 03, 2022, 10:23:34 amDoes that come under FREE energy 🤔Or global warming?

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 04:43:54 pm
content: you can have your own oil well with geothermal energy

author: Labrat101
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 05:02:18 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on March 03, 2022, 04:43:54 pmI wish 🤞

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 05:08:17 pm
content: Quote from: LaserSteve on March 03, 2022, 02:55:31 amNo... but the various militaries aligned with NATO have access to devices known as DAGRs* which operate with encrypted GPS streams (SAASM)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Advanced_GPS_Receiver*other military GNSS devices are available, please contact your nearest dealer for assistance.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 05:21:35 pm
content: Quote from: Labrat101 on March 03, 2022, 05:02:18 pmI don't think its that expensive, similar to a solar setup

author: Cerebus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 07:30:33 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on March 03, 2022, 05:21:35 pmDepends where you are. If you're in Iceland it's a 20-100m borehole and you're laughing, if you're in the middle of England it's a 4000-5000m borehole and your wallet will explode and never be the same again.

author: Labrat101
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 08:55:19 pm
content: Quote from: Cerebus on March 03, 2022, 07:30:33 pmThat's would be good for a Game of conkers

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2022, 09:04:44 pm
content: It seems like a good idea to try to reduce oil use by investing in alternative technologies, spring time is a good time to do some work on things like home insulation, heat pumps, geothermal exchangers, solar electricity and solar water heating.

author: LaserSteve
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2022, 04:10:25 pm
content: Ok for the record I have long known about the restricted signals from GPS. Hence I said "L' code.Double speak is a good term for the.madness.Thanks to those who replied.Steve