ALMOST a fluke - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: mianchen
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 01:26:19 pm
content: Wow look at this amazingVictor VC189, only $360!Why?! Why can't these manufacturers just sit down and design something more original, instead of trying to sell them like the "real thing"?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 01:38:44 pm
content: Simple, these kind of companies sole purpose are to make quick & easy money, and will abandon ship if business is showing any slightest sign that it won't generating easy money anymore. For sure they don't care shit about reputation. Oh yeah, by only sitting down alone (not designing yet) eats up resources like time & money and etc, let alone the designing job.Expecting them to make something decent, unique and original from zero ? Forget about it.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 01:43:18 pm
content: Sometimessomething more originaljust won't be received well, so they'd rather be sticking to something familiar, tried-and-true instead. (E.g. Hakko 936 and all its clones...)

author: quarros
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 01:46:46 pm
content: Quote from: mianchen on November 03, 2013, 01:26:19 pmWould you buy one if it would be purple with "kello kitty" designed keys?

author: Dark Prognosis
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 02:45:09 pm
content: Quote from: quarros on November 03, 2013, 01:46:46 pmI know some female techs who would and this one guy but that dude is heavily into My Little Pony too. We sort of let him alone and he does his thing.

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 03:05:10 pm
content: Quote from: amyk on November 03, 2013, 01:43:18 pmCome on, yes?Hyping touchscreens when people want knobs?Passing a 60 mm (that is 2 3/8 inch) brick of as a tablet?Talking about a 10.1 inch tablet while the brick is actually 13.6 inch?Calling that handheld?Claiming isolation, but showing the bare naked metal BNC connectors?Not willing to talk about prices?Not willing to talk about availability?Not even a demo video?No apparent probe compensation output?In fact only showing what could well be a mock-up and rendered images?In my book that tbook thing is that close ---><--- to look like a marketing stunt or even a scam.And the second thing is you should overcome that believe that new equals better.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 03:10:34 pm
content: Quote from: amyk on November 03, 2013, 01:43:18 pmThere's a wide gap between "something more original" as "completely reinvent oscilloscope interface", and "something more original" as "don't directly rip off theFluke 189".

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 03:39:18 pm
content: Not much of a problem for Fluke anyway. Whoever buys this meter would never have acquired a Fluke in the first place. And anybody looking for a Fluke 189 should be savvy enough not to confuse the two. Imitation is the best form of flattery.That said, at $360, this meter isn't cheap and hopefully, has been built to a higher standard than what Victor is used to, but I'm not all that confident.

author: ElectroIrradiator
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 05:02:32 pm
content: It is not even that close to the real thing. Looks more like a mish/mash of the 189 and the 289...

author: M. András
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 06:12:26 pm
content: inside pictures? maybe the screen layout?

author: sprocket
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 06:17:03 pm
content: Well i have one of those.. Needed a second meter to supplement my now dead SOAR4050B, so I just wanted a some thing cheap that wouldnt blow up in my face.the one I have is a rebadged Batronix 280 something.. It's bit of a dog.. very slow at updating and continuous measurement is slow too, a good second before some thing goes beep.

author: markce
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 06:21:41 pm
content: Just have a look at the probes they've included. Says enough for me...Think you'd be better off with an entry level real Fluke.

author: markce
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 06:32:13 pm
content: QuoteBatronix already dropped this model, Uni-T as follw-up.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 08:18:14 pm
content: The Batronix 280 seems to be the older Victor 98 (22,000 count). The 'newer' 187/189 are 55,000 count meters.Victor 189 specs:http://www.china-victor.com/english/en/product_data.aspx?ClassID=168&ID=309

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 09:16:32 pm
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on November 03, 2013, 03:05:10 pmNothing of the sort. It was displayed and demoed at a Hong Kong trade show, and even won an award.

author: markce
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 09:55:45 pm
content: Based on Brymen internals pictures posted in another thread on this forum, I have withdrawn myadvice for this brand as an alternative. It seems to have decent input protection, but in my opinion,board layout and construction is nowhere near Fluke level.

author: JohnnyGringo
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 10:24:04 pm
content: Quote from: mianchen on November 03, 2013, 01:26:19 pmIn the drug discovery world, this would be called a "fast follower". The concept is you take a very popular, high markup drug and attach just enough molecules to it to beat the patent. You piggy-back to market on someone else's research & money. That's why you see so many derivative products.

author: retiredcaps
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 10:42:11 pm
content: Quote from: sprocket on November 03, 2013, 06:17:03 pmhttp://www.batronix.com/shop/multimeter/multimeter-bxm280.htmlproudly states that the continuity test is "fast reaction time below 0.5 seconds!".How about pictures of the inside?

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 03, 2013, 11:45:15 pm
content: Quote from: markce on November 03, 2013, 09:55:45 pmWhat are you talking about? The meter being discussed here? Another meter? Just all meters compared to Fluke?

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2013, 09:49:19 am
content: Quote from: retiredcaps on November 03, 2013, 10:42:11 pmThe Batronix 280 is a crippled or obsolete version of the Victor 98. 4,000 count instead of 22,000. Certainly doesn't have much in common with the Victor 189.Incidentally, a good second-hand Fluke 189 can be bought for quite a bit less than a new Victor 189.http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluke-189-True-RMS-Multimeter-W-Manual-Test-Leads-Case-WARRANTY-/261317085427?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd7b648f3

author: markce
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2013, 11:03:53 am
content: QuoteBrymen 827

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2013, 11:04:30 am
content: It's just a fluke, that it looks like a Fluke.

author: omgfire
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2016, 10:12:43 am
content: Supplement from szzotek.com

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 26, 2016, 10:21:40 am
content: Beside digging a necro tread, these two meters are quiet different.Quote from: omgfire on October 26, 2016, 10:12:43 am

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2016, 01:54:49 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on October 26, 2016, 10:21:40 amAgree. They look totally different. Different model number, different markings, different things on the dial, different color, different proportions, the Fluke looks physically bigger...I don't see how anybody could confuse the two. -//

author: ebclr
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2016, 04:20:58 pm
content: And the most interesting thing is that those multimeter really works well, It's a option for those that can't buy a Fluke that for sure is the Big guy on the townI have both, of course fluke is much better near to perfection, but the Victor one do the day to day job, and is one excellent 2nd tier multimeter for much less money.Absolute quality Fluke = WinnerPrice performance ratio Victor = WinnerI opted to have both