Naomi SexyCyborg Wu's Patreon Shut Down by VICE - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 02:10:04 pm
content: (If you are confused about the title, pay a little more attention to the ending of most AvE videos.)Meanwhile, hydrogen chooches in a fusion reactor 93 million miles away to get the pixies dancing in some intricate silicon mazes at the NiHaoMike Blockchain Research Center, trying to wrangle some zeros and ones into relief packages.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 02:27:20 pm
content: Naomi 'Sexy Cyborg' Wu

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 02:53:08 pm
content: While I'm not a religious watcher of AvE, I'm confused as to what his endings have to do with this, as most of them are about keeping animal tendrils in compression apparatuses. I might be the stupid one here, but could someone explain this to me?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:05:13 pm
content: Quote from: TwoOfFive on April 03, 2018, 02:53:08 pmDon't take the phrase literally.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:07:53 pm
content: I think I'm starting to get what he may be on about, but my issue is probably lack of context on Naomi. I'm not entirely sure what is going on with that.

author: drussell
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:11:23 pm
content: I'm assuming something like "VICE has her in squeeze lock," (since it would be somewhat difficult to put her dick in a vice.)

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:15:23 pm
content: I mean I guess I get that, but what confused me is that as far as I am aware, she doesn't have a dick.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:21:22 pm
content: I've changed this thread title as it has nothing to do with AvE and it's important.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:21:57 pm
content: How much was she earning on Patreon?

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:22:42 pm
content: Can someone fill us in with what is the case with this channel and VICE?Alexander.

author: JoeO
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:26:25 pm
content: NEVER, EVER believe what a person from the media says to you. Their job is to sell information, not to protect you.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:33:05 pm
content: Quote from: JoeO on April 03, 2018, 03:26:25 pmWords to live by that so many people so sadly ignore.When money is involved, there is little that is ever off the table.EDIT: So as I understand it, VICE, which is one of the worst publications on the internet, even before this, I guess posted information on an article they did that they were asked not to, and after an email feud with them, they decided to attack Naomi by destroying her livelyhood? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they did this, I think some kneecaps are about to get bashed in.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:36:34 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on April 03, 2018, 03:22:42 pmSame here. What is going on and how can a third party shut down something like Patreon?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:44:15 pm
content: She doxed someone it seems (VICE employee?)

author: BillB
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 03:58:55 pm
content: Well, that probably wasn't a good idea.Ahh, fame and fortune on the internet, same as it ever was.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 04:07:47 pm
content: It seems fair they suspend her account. If she had a personal dispute she should not use her channel to disclose sensitive data for the other party.It also could be illegal in many countries.Alexander.

author: buck converter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 04:12:09 pm
content: Louis Rossman explains some of it

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 04:15:03 pm
content: The story just highlights the importance of having a real job, not rely on this shaky type of income.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 04:16:45 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on April 03, 2018, 04:07:47 pmIf she posted the video on the Patreon platform, and it's true, then yes.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 04:27:30 pm
content: Quote from: buck converter on April 03, 2018, 04:12:09 pmA very good video! Louis gets to the point near the end of the video. Oh and the part at 30:50 did make me laugh out loud.

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 06:09:31 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 03, 2018, 03:44:15 pmExcept VICE started it.Quotehttps://nextshark.com/naomi-wu-blasts-vice-allegedly-sexist-interview/

author: Ice-Tea
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 06:26:34 pm
content: Quote from: station240 on April 03, 2018, 06:09:31 pmYeah, well, I don't accept that excuse from my kids either.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 07:16:17 pm
content: Quote from: station240 on April 03, 2018, 06:09:31 pmTwo wrongs don't make a right and it seems her response cost her her livelihood, while Vice lost little to nothing. If and when true, the usual disclaimers.Unfortunately, the video didn't give a lot of information about the how and why. That may of course be intentional.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 08:29:21 pm
content: Quote from: station240 on April 03, 2018, 06:09:31 pmCouldn't you get that in a written contract/NDA before agreeing to the interview?Sure, if your dealing with a respectful journalist it might not be necessary, but VICE is known to expose what they can.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 08:42:58 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on April 03, 2018, 04:27:30 pmhe shows goes through the contract here:https://youtu.be/rXeRzZC_NW0

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 10:34:33 pm
content: Hmm... So White Rabbit is LR? That's cool. (Edit: Nope, the White Rabbit guy just copied LR's video.)Quote from: buck converter on April 03, 2018, 04:12:09 pmWow, that's... stereotypical of certain tribalists.I really hope Naomi didn't sign anything from Vice TV. Her one weakness in my view, is that she doesn't yet understand how very dark the world is. She thinks it's just misguided idiots and jerks vs the honest creative people. Possibly she might have been suckered into signing something like that contract Rossman reviewed.Perhaps this will blow back on Vice TV, gale force.I wonder if there's any connection between Alphabet and Vice TV?

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 11:12:19 pm
content: I don't know, but VICE is one of the worst things I would call a publication on the internet. They aren't BuzzFeed bad, but they are incredibly SJW, and when not, just overly clickbaity. I have seen very few of what I would describe good, honest, or balanced articles coming out of them, so I am not eager to trust them over a creator that seems pretty cool to me. I haven't taken a side in my mind, as I can't be arsed, I have enough things I take sides on, but VICE doing stupid shit to people doesn't surprise me, and I would hedge my bet that they started and ended it any day.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 11:53:38 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on April 03, 2018, 08:29:21 pmWhy the heck would you need a contract for an interview?

author: marshallh
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 03, 2018, 11:57:17 pm
content: Rob Graham is on it:https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/981261205103960064.html?refreshed=yes

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 12:04:36 am
content: Quote from: marshallh on April 03, 2018, 11:57:17 pmFrom that:QuoteI agree. I flatly refuse to let any company see my reviews before publication for example, and I specifically have that in my rules on my website.You agree to an interview and "take's ya chances"

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 12:13:30 am
content: The VICE interview is here, and it's long and I haven't read it all, but I don't see anything wrong with it so farhttps://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kjqdb/naomi-wu-sexy-cyborg-profile-shenzhen-maker-scene

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 12:30:08 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 03, 2018, 11:53:38 pmThey came into her home, which she apparently is very concerned with keeping private. So have an NDA signed which should prevent them having any "secret" information used in the article.Most people wouldn't care, but whatever she wants to keep private is either important to her business (think about donation stream) or to herself.Quote from: EEVblog on April 04, 2018, 12:13:30 amThis part, redacted:Quote

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 12:33:45 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on April 04, 2018, 12:30:08 amThen don't invite them into your home maybe? Maybe go a hacker space or something and let them interview you.She has 250k subscribers, she hardly needs the exposure.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 12:35:39 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 04, 2018, 12:33:45 amExcellent point, that might have made more sense.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 12:43:28 am
content: Quote from: thm_w on April 04, 2018, 12:35:39 amI think she's learnt some valuable lessons here.a) Don't dox people, there will be repercussions.andb) Learn to control the narrative without resorting to legal means.By that I mean she was in the box seat. Vice presumably came to her to do an interview, she could have said no to a home interview, suggested other better places to do the interview etc.Don't want people in your home? Don't invite them.Don't want a reporter to ask you about your relationships or sexual orientation, it's easier and less confrontational to simply decline to comment when asked rather than trying to lay down rules. It's not like this was a live TV interview where they can put you on the spot and hence some ground rules might be warranted.Oh, and c) if you are going to complain, make sure you have the high ground to do so, otherwise it could backfire.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 01:01:59 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 04, 2018, 12:52:51 amI'm in a position to actually do those things and try and replicate that if I so desire, but I choose not to.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 01:44:08 am
content: This is the only controversial part of the article as far as I can see:QuoteAssuming that's all true, Naomi did not do herself any favors here unfortunately, it was the wrong approach.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 02:07:08 am
content: I followed her last brouhaha and was mildly interested in this one. In the light of the article snippet, I agree with Dave's points: don't overreact, control the narrative and keep your privacy at all costs if you don't want any of it to be at risk of being exposed. My opinion is the same as the one I had before: she will eventually grow up, become more serene and hopefully learn something from this - it doesn't seem she learned much from her past episode.BTW, Louis Rossmann's video is awesome!

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 03:13:19 am
content: I didn't see anything in the article which was worthy of this sort of hellfire response from Wu.In fact I spent a while the other day looking for some other article I assumed must have existed that she was angry about rather than this one.Fair enough she doesn't want to have too much information out there that might identify her, the world is full of weirdos, but I didn't see anything in the article that would do that.

author: nuclearcat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 05:35:18 am
content: Followed Naomi Wu for a while, it looks more show (exploiting her female attributes and overexposure of the body), than technology, but stopped following her activity, after several racist rants and dragging artificially "white men", "yellow women", etc. It reminds about my visits to China and translation from trusted people,who know chinese language, what "local common folk" talk about "this laowai". Thats give me reason to avoid stereotypes "being white is privilege", because somewhere it is more drawback, than privilege. Any mention of race IMHO racism, and my opinion - she is racist.What happened might be predictable, but totally unfair, and significance of this particular example - it shows how vulnerable are bloggers and why often they can't cover "sensitive subjects", because all their income sources can be shut very easily even by such company as Vice. Each debunking Dave doing (and he is doing totally good thing for humanity, so we don't go wrong way) creating risk for him as well

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 05:45:45 am
content: She's a white privilege screecher? Alright, I've definitely lost all care for what's gone on here. I really didn't keep up with her much, but I was aware she did show off her body a bit (which I don't care about, it's her body, she can do what she wants with it). I didn't know she was a racist.Shoving agendas into something that's supposed to be fun and about tech usually is a sure-fire way to piss me off. I like debating opinions with rational, open-minded equals, but I also prefer to keep that shit to twitter, and the occasional bout on this forum.My personal view right now is to trust neither party. I hate VICE, for reasons outside of what happened here, so I am not eager to trust them in any respect.I know of many a great YouTuber who got their kneecaps bashed in for talking about an opinion to people who can't handle them. I believe that anybody who can't accept other people's opinions, and look past them can't call themselves an adult. VICE has posted some shit articles, but I would still work with, and possibly be friends with someone who believed their drivel. I form opinions on other people's opinions while accepting them at the same time.Unfortunately so many people, even in my own back garden tend to not be like that. I am often faced with people and groups who love to spread their holier than thou one true opinion, but demonize, and even ostracize those who disagree. I'd go deeper into this, but due to the current political climate, I'm afraid of attracting the same people I talk about despising.Anyways, I ramble on about this stupid stuff on occasion. 90 WPM means I tend to flood anything where I have to share an opinion until it becomes completely tl;dr.what am I talking about again?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 05:59:10 am
content: Artists using themselves as part of a work of art is nothing new. What is unusual is the combination of beautiful "model" and electronics. Qualcomm's Saura Naderi and her robot dress is another example. (By coincidence, both Saura's robot dress and part of the mining cluster that's helping Naomi run on Snapdragon 410s!)I hope Naomi adopts Bitcoin as one option for funding and Bittorrent as one option for content distribution, both of which are very robust. My desktop PC is more than eager to help, but its dated Sandy Bridge E can't even manage unity mining earnhoney, the only CPU coin that readily converts to what she currently accepts. Curecoin/Foldingcoin only readily convert to Bitcoin. Finding cures for cancer and funding the production of a friend's TV show at the same time is a big win.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 06:03:07 am
content: I think she got upset about her breast implants being mentioned in the article. I would not given it two seconds of thought. Too bad she did not feel the same way.Other than that, I did not find it a bad article. But the author stinks.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 06:23:58 am
content: How do the Bitcoin mining datacenters in China actually use the Bitcoins they make?

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 06:28:58 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 04, 2018, 06:06:42 amNot quite - this is Matt (C-Milk)'s channel, who is from either US or Canada - SerpentZA is who you are thinking of ( who is actually English but grew up in SA. Both their channels have some very interesting vids on many aspects of China

author: nuclearcat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 06:46:02 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 04, 2018, 06:06:42 amThats exactly my point. But Naomi, seems think different way.QuoteI know laowai is not insult by itself, but context where and how it was used in talks of people around me (in China), who thought i wont know translation - was not pleasant, extremely racist.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 06:53:28 am
content: Perhaps a "pool service" might be the solution. For example, if viewer A sends $50 in Bitcoin to Naomi and viewer B sends $100 in Paypal to Dave, what actually happens is that Naomi gets $50 in Paypal and Dave gets $50 in Paypal and $50 in Bitcoin. Actually, it could be done P2P by makers who want to support other makers, with some transparency system in place to prevent cheating.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 07:10:37 am
content: I read the interview. There is a part mentioning something:«Wu told me she didn’t want to discuss her marital status, but before publishing the piece, I followed up with her. I hoped to discuss the Reddit conspiracy theory that claimed someone she’s in a relationship with was behind her work. Wu has spent significant energy proving these conspiracy theories false, and shutting down this harassment has inspired other women who have faced similar treatment online.“Do you actually have time to hop on Skype to go over the Reddit conspiracy theory?” I wrote. “It would be really helpful  address these allegations. I saw that video where you say you're [name redacted’s] wife—and I'd like to discuss the unfairness of assuming a woman receives help, just because her partner works/worked in a similar industry. If you don't want to discuss this at all, I understand and won't push. I think the Reddit conspiracy theory is vicious, but since this profile is long and comprehensive, I'd love to highlight your opinions about prototype bias, gender expectations, and racism as they relate to the rumor. Let me know how that sounds, and what you're comfortable with.”At the same time Wu responded to me, she started tweeting about VICE. Over the next several weeks, Wu publicly shopped our correspondence to journalists and tagged me, my former colleague, my editor, and VICE in dozens of tweets; her followers sent me many more.In emails, Wu accused me of blackmailing her and writing a “hit piece.” Without having seen the story, she wrote that if I published the article under my byline, VICE “will throw you to the wolves.”“If you don’t believe me, I’ll direct my tweets to your name- see if they come help under the VICE brand or make an excuse why they should stay out of it so they can blame you later for acting alone and cut you loose- with a reputation written where it can never be erased as the female journalist who signal-boosts harassment campaigns against women in tech,” she wrote.Wu asked to see a draft of the story prior to publication, which we declined to do as it is against our editorial policy. She took issue with other standard editorial protocols, such as when a fact-checker reached out to other sources for this piece.“We just need whatever article you vomit out to determine in just how many ways you violated basic journalistic ethics,” Wu wrote in an email to my editor.»

author: nuclearcat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 07:27:16 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 04, 2018, 06:52:37 amUnfortunately it exist in my country as well(Russia) and probably in many other "monocultural" areas. Exactly as you said, just different photo on wall.Relatively recent laws in Russia, i believe will uproot racism much faster than everywhere, and i'm already seeing very positive changes.But how it is relevant to subject, that this law works without bringing privileges to some particular race/minorities, it is generic - just forbid to discriminate any person by gender, race, religion, etc. Doesnt matter, in minority you are or majority, and if someone like Naomi tweet about white men privilege on makers event, without having real proof it is _premeditated racial discrimination_ - will backfire to person who tweeted, that is in fact he/she is racist, by law. And i believe it should be like this.

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 09:09:01 am
content: UH OH !! Another disgruntled "social media" (youtube this time) pretty girl, fights back against "censorship / bad press" ! Nasim Najafi Aghdam

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 11:57:25 am
content: I have only heard of Naomi from a previous EEVBlog thread and watched a video or two... but I even mentioned previously that I felt awkward and uncomfortable (as a heterosexual married male) to look at it for any "electronic" learning content. It was NSFW for sure. While I'm not one to judge and think she can do anything she wants, if we are to be realistic here (not idealistic), you must admit that her fashion choices probably did contribute to her popularity more so than the electronic education aspects of her videos.Who is to say that someone at VICE had a "bone to pick" with her and either (a) didn't believe she knew much about electronics, and (b) she was just a puppet or "camera candy" with someone else behind the scenes helping her, and (c) knowing that sex sells articles... baited her into this mess and she unfortunately showed she was naive and took it. She should NOT have given any personal details or home tours (forget NDA and all that stuff) to a stranger, period... and shrugged it off. And it would probably be better not to have tried to fight with VICE online. I'm sure she has other rumours and criticisms online as I'm sure she has been getting already. Why react now? And does she really need a Patreon account? How many other places are there where she can ask for money (like PayPal Donate and so on)?Naomi will find a way to get over this, I doubt she has such a thin skin, and the VICE article if anything may have given her a larger audience. I doubt her existing fan-base cares and she can use other platforms to get money so in the end I wonder if it actually did impact her much except she learned not to deal with interviews the same anymore (many of which have their own agendas and bias before even starting).

author: G7PSK
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 02:36:53 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 03, 2018, 11:53:38 pmBecause, "any thing you say may be taken down twisted around and used against you"

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 02:59:21 pm
content: Quote from: G7PSK on April 04, 2018, 02:36:53 pmThen don't give an interview. If people want to frame you, they'll find a way to do so anyway.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 03:30:21 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 04, 2018, 02:59:21 pmTrue... These journalists are going to have an "angle" and VICE wants an informative but also entertaining piece on science and technology innovation in China. They obviously picked Naomi because she is different due in part to her "features" and large fan-base with millions of YouTube hits. Naomi knows it, she has made a living from it and her reaction to this seems a bit hypocritical.I'm assuming this is the article in question?:https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kjqdb/naomi-wu-sexy-cyborg-profile-shenzhen-maker-sceneShe is quoted as saying in the article:QuoteI read the article and I don't see what the fuss is about. I think Naomi should defend herself about this Reddit conspiracy theory about her not being a real maker, or having her husband do everything for her, or that she is all fake, etc... Which people will always accuse someone of when they see someone successful who doesn't fit the image they believe. But rather than take the high-brow approach she got embroiled with VICE in a downward spiral. At the bottom of the article linked above it seems to be just that.I don't know what got under her skin so badly but it seems she didn't think that it would have any repercussions, otherwise I am confident she wouldn't have "doxxed" as you call it and got kicked off Patreon. Like I said, this is 1 day news and then tomorrow she's back to doing whatever it is she does and getting PayPal Donate or some other medium to fund her activities. And upon reading the VICE article it doesn't sound as bad as initially led to believe by her reaction either.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 03:58:02 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 04, 2018, 02:59:21 pmTBH, people will try to frame you either if you concede an interview or not but, if you do, be prepared to deal with anything that is put out with strong arguments in your favour.I heard that some popular Youtube commentators here in the US do not participate in interviews without signed contracts anymore - one of them disallows any form of editing to prevent things to be taken out of context.

author: metrologist
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 04, 2018, 08:06:26 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 04, 2018, 01:01:59 amHow about giving your Brymen meter the same field test you gave the Fluke?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 01:34:11 am
content: Quote from: edy on April 04, 2018, 03:30:21 pmWith this drawbacks, I guess bikini mode is coming ?With this trend and market for "this kind of" video segment, I'm guessing its just the matter time, that sort of nude soldering/desoldering paid video blogs are about to surface.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 01:47:49 am
content: Quote from: edy on April 04, 2018, 11:57:25 amOf course it is not realistic to expect expert level electronics knowledge from an artist who merely dabbles in electronics. In fact, artists often do get criticism from engineers - and then the engineers expect the artists to be nice!Some of the outfits are a bit showing off, but I doubt she wants to be another Joanne Chiang. Showing off is not unusual in art - check out some music videos by rook&nomie (a band Micah Elizabeth Scott did some technical work for). Also interesting to note is at least twice, what would normally be a NSFW outfit was allowed for a company tour because the company apparently realized they would get great advertising out of it.QuotePaypal is the last link between her and (part of) my mining cluster. Basically, I get to experience the fun of mining, show my other friends that I use technology for good, and contribute something to the community other than increased mining difficulty. Oh, and I finally ended the "green competition" between my friend Allie Moore and I because I used solar to power my mining setup.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 01:52:52 am
content: I'd use a drill and some explosives to mine, but that's just me.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 01:57:00 am
content: I had a similar experience as Naomi. When I was 13 I won a national prize (an encyclopedia) and the local paper wanted to interview me. I had no sense to say no. The article made front page news on New Years day with my picture. I was scared and embarrassed shitless because I was homeless.Nothing happened.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 02:08:55 am
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on April 04, 2018, 03:58:02 pmPopular youtube commentators get more views that mainstream media channels, they don't need the interviews.Reminds me of the whole PewDiePie nazi thing that started the whole adpocolypse. The Wall Street Journal who instigated the whole thing offered to let him write an article for them explaining his side of the story. He just laughed at them, he doesn't need their platform to defend himself, his platform is 10 times bigger. Which of course is why they hate him, they are dying and he's growing bigger than they ever were.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 02:31:02 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 05, 2018, 01:50:41 amI did mine earnhoney with my Sandy Bridge E on unusually cold days even though it was not particularly profitable because the "waste" heat wasn't wasteful at those times. Now it won't even make unity (and the cold weather is pretty much all gone from my area until much later in the year), but if heat is desired, it will still easily outdo a heat pump after accounting for mining revenue. There's something nice about heating your room with something that makes your best friend happy, and if I give away all of the mined coins (as I just did, after conversion of course), it still costs exactly the same as using a resistive heater.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 02:31:52 am
content: That brings into light an interesting conversation about traditional media as a whole.Regardless of what major traditional media outlet you visit, I will bet you every step of the way they are getting paid to tell you stuff that their benefactors want you to hear. Getting a story's details wrong isn't illegal (and never should be), but bending the truth is a great tool to get people to believe something you want them to.Dave is completely correct as to PewDiePie's size being why they hate them, but I do not believe that says everything. I believe they hate him because they can't control him. They hate him because they do not have the power to publish bullshit that everybody will believe. The death of one abused power, however, will likely lead to another one. Regardless of how, people with money want to get a lot of people on their side to make even more money.I think it's alright to trust most media sites to give you SOME facts, but to never trust them to give you an opinion. No man alive is innocent of that. Even still, god knows how many times mainstream televised media was caught pushing bullshit about things like video games, online personalities, and I believe the reason why everybody is so piss scared of the alt-right. After all, if the media is afraid of it, then why shouldn't you?

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 02:36:37 am
content: From VICE article:QuoteThat raises a red flag... and I'm not talking about China's! Is she scared they'll find out something she doesn't want others to know? If anything, it's only going to give that "conspiracy theory" more credibility.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 02:38:51 am
content: Quote from: TwoOfFive on April 05, 2018, 02:31:52 amIt's probably much simpler than that. Whatever information gets interpreted, is coloured by who interprets. I don't think news outlets always sing the song of whoever pays them for the sake of it. The selection is probably already made in the hiring process and subsequently through company dynamics and culture. Don't underestimate what group dynamics will do to people, especially if they're already so inclined. Add to that the willingness of people to lie to themselves when that is in their own interest and you have much of what we see.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 02:43:23 am
content: I am inclined to agree with you. We are in a soup of human philosophy that few if anybody can swim through.As a person with an opinion, who occasionally enjoys debating other people with it, I tend to not only engage in outrage, but enjoy it. It forms my strongest opinions, but also binds me to some of my strongest friends.I tend to have a lot of time on my hands for various reasons, and much of that I use to just think about the world as it works, and form opinions on it. I tend to use other people as a validity check on my own thoughts to attempt to improve my view on the world.Either way, at the end of the day, VICE is still a sack of shit, both parties seem guilty of something here, and life moves on.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 02:54:20 am
content: Quote from: TwoOfFive on April 05, 2018, 02:31:52 amI've heard of PewDiePie, but that is the limit of my interest. Beyond knowing the name, PewDiePie is irrelevant to me.And that is maybe the point with Naomi Wu. She might have somehow been personally upset, but the reality is that nobody else particularly cares one way or another about who she is or what she gets up to. People need to get over themselves. Nobody is really that important.Storm in a teacup comes to mind. Just ignore things, let it pass, and get on with your life. It probably takes a certain amount of life experience to reach that understanding, and that is the burden the young have to bear. They act unwisely and can't shrug off the consequences. As a result they bring suffering upon themselves.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 02:54:34 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 05, 2018, 01:47:49 amYes, no point pretending her success and popularity is not almost entirely due to her looks, and she knows it. And she goes out of her way to showcase that and readily admits it.Nothing wrong with that of course, go for it, more power to her, it's worked well for her and allowed her to capitalise on that exposure and move in other direction if she so desires. And the media love it of course, it's clickbait from tech heaven.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 03:02:45 am
content: Quote from: TwoOfFive on April 05, 2018, 02:31:52 amYep, precisely.It's not dissimilar to doing equipment reviews in our engineering space. Manufacturers don't like that they cannot control video bloggers opinions. They don't like that they can't review content before it gets published etc.But they have had to resign themselves to the fact that they can't control individuals like they could (partly) influence the magazines of days gone by that they advertised in, it's a different game now and they have had to adapt if they want the benefits of the platform and exposure.Youtube is just too big and the individual has the power now.Heck, I'm a nobody in the Youtube world and even some of my niche videos get more views than some mainstream general interest TV shows that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars or more to produce.PewDiePie and others can switch on a webcam and reach 10's of millions of people instantly, figures the mainstream media can't even imagine.It's a new world.

author: John B
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 04:03:15 am
content: So let's get a few things straight.....She makes a brand image almost entirely based on sexuality, but that's off limits to talk about.She is quite to happy to play the special pixie faerie woman in tech struggling against all the big bad males, while simultaneously her financial success is the result of raking in money from legions of thirsty male patreon users.She is also quite happy to play up the victim angle, then engages in dirty tactics like doxxing and using her fanbase to harass others.OK

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 05:05:01 am
content: Quote from: John B on April 05, 2018, 04:03:15 amA college friend of mine (who shall remain anonymous) also "showed herself off" (to an even greater extent than Naomi ever did) to get Bitcoin back in the day. Would it be OK to ask her just how she showed herself on camera?QuoteI don't think she has a problem with guys in general, just misogynists. She cast me in a very positive light the first time I used my miners to help her.QuoteThe followers doing counter attacks are not entirely controllable from her side. If a real life friend of yours was under attack, you would try to do something to stop the attackers, right?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 05:47:56 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 05, 2018, 05:05:01 amIsn't that obvious that she will do that and be nice to anyone who didpaydonate too ?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 06:08:00 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on April 05, 2018, 05:47:56 amAbove and beyond what she normally does, as in dedicate a post about me including pictures that I told her she can use.https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/932136250454163458You could say I "bought" a badge of honor to display on my Facebook, which I used to get positive responses from my other friends. It really does make mining feel like a game and every part of the setup now has a special story attached. Several of my friends who work at or used to work at Qualcomm were very happy to see how I was putting Snapdragon processors to good use. (Side note: dragons have special meaning in Chinese culture.)

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 06:36:41 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 05, 2018, 05:05:01 amBut what if the friend did something wrong or questionable to put them in that position?In that case if it was my friend, I'd advise them on the best way to exit the predicament and prevent it from happening again, rather than focus on stopping the attacks by counter-attcking.Sometimes a tactical withdrawal is the best solution.As much as I like and support Naomi, I'm afraid she isn't an innocent victim here. So I for one am trying to help her by explaining better ways she could have handled this and hence help prevent this sort of stuff happening in the future. I hope she learns from it.

author: John B
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 07:31:25 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 05, 2018, 05:05:01 amSo, interviewing a webcam model and asking them to talk about the specifics of their trade? Sounds completely normal.The only problem in this instance is that something is someone is mixing two genres, ie softcore/modelling with technology, relying on the former as the primary means of success AND the primary means of defining their identity and persona, then they insist that only the latter is permissible as a topic of discussion. Not just in articles either.Congratulations on getting a shout-out from her. Must feel good. But it's important to be honest with oneself whether that would feel as good if she wasn't so pretty and popular, or whether she'd be validating you if didn't provide utility to her. If you check out her comments sections on videos, there are hundred of guys hoping for a response from her. Not intending anything as a personal attack either, its just very obvious what is happening when you take a step back from the situation.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 07:39:34 am
content: Unless I'm mistaken, my comment on Naomi's video has been deleted.I asked is she had any comment on the doxing claim and that being the reason why per Patreon was shut down.I do hope she's not deleting comments from people asking legitimate questions.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 08:12:13 am
content: I also learned about her from a previous thread. I find her videos extremely difficult to watch.From the interview I don;t believe VICE did something that isn;t VICE. I believe her that they did something really bad. The way she reacted though...I also believe the title should be changed.Alexander.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 08:15:15 am
content: Quote from: firewalker on April 05, 2018, 08:12:13 amIt does seem that her Patreon was shut down by Patreon and not by VICE?

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 08:25:15 am
content: Yes. ?cording to Patreon's twitts. At least a question mark at the end.Alexander.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 08:42:14 am
content: Quote from: IanB on April 05, 2018, 08:15:15 amYes. Presumably the Vice person who was doxed complained to Patreon, and Patreon have a zero tolerance policy on this so they shut down her account.If that was me and I did the doxing by accident I'd be apologising profusely to all and sundry trying to get my Patreon reinstated. But AFAIK Naomi has made no comment at all on the doxing.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 08:51:07 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 05, 2018, 07:39:34 amit happened anywhere including err.... anyway if you (not dave) think its informative, enjoy...and on to the test...and err try to save them locally in case it got deleted by the VICE mr president... well anyone is free to delete this if its just nonsense... ymmv...ps: i wonder what song in the 2nd link its kinda cool if anyone can tell me i'll appreciate it.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 09:32:39 am
content: LoL. Are most of the videos like the ones above?Alexander.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 09:44:34 am
content: This thread is never about Naomi, its all about the OP's obsesion for Chinese chicks.Hint : Use forum's advanced search, search for posts made by the OP and the item to search for is "Tiffany Yep" ... and take a clue from the oldest date of the post found and approx. the total posts found by the search, it has been almost a decade.Also look at the OP's profile picture.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 09:53:55 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 05, 2018, 06:08:00 amGood for you Mike, I guess you have a special spot in her heart.BTW, hows Tiffany Yep doing ?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 10:34:33 am
content: Pretty sure my post was removed, unless it was the Youtube fairies.Still shows up if I log in under my account, but it seems gone from public view.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 10:41:21 am
content: Quote from: IanB on April 05, 2018, 08:15:15 amProbably all this time it was a huge typo mistake, maybe it was by Vice Squad at Patreon, rather than the Vice Magazine ?

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 12:48:56 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on April 05, 2018, 08:51:07 amHere's the song:

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 01:14:47 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 05, 2018, 10:34:33 amProbably the "Approve comments" option is enabled. You can see you comment, but it wont go public unless approved by the channel owner.Alexander.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 03:02:35 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on April 05, 2018, 01:14:47 pmYep, I just checked that and she has comment approval turned on.So she won't publish any critical comment or ones that asks questions she doesn't like. That tells me a lot.I asked her on twitter to comment on the doxing, and I don't expect a reply, yet she was happy to respond to me before in general.From her zero comments on the doxing I can only conclude that she did the doxing very deliberately and Vice has now done a follow up article stating as much, in fact, even worse, claiming she made further threats.https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pax3q7/a-note-about-shenzhens-homegrown-cyborg-naomi-wuQuoteAnd this is I think were her narrative fails. Vice don't have the clout to take down Youtube videos (the video description "Vice Magazine will probably get this video taken down" is laughable), or get Patreon to suspend someone. But they, like we all do, have a right to report deliberate doxing and potentially get that material removed. Patreon have a more harsh policy on this though and shut down your entire account rather than remove content.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 03:04:04 pm
content: Quote from: John B on April 05, 2018, 07:31:25 amThat anonymous former Bitcoiner works in a completely different field (medical) nowadays. She also sometimes mixed in some tech as in some basic "how to" guides relating to Bitcoin like how to set up a miner. Some of the things she did to get Bitcoin (like bust the "girls can't pee standing up" myth) were controversial with the Bitcoiners of the day and are definitely not something she would want connected to her real name. While I have no clue exactly how much she made doing all that, paying for expensive medical school or at least taking a big chunk out of the loan is very significant.QuoteQuote from: BravoV on April 05, 2018, 09:53:55 amNaomi's popularity was exactly what makes the "badge of honor" worth something. I could have actually used that to try to "hype up" one of the small altcoins I was mining but then, once the price falls back down, I risk the fallout from unhappy coiners negatively affecting her.Tiffany Yep is doing very well and really liked how I use technology. I don't think she's into crypto, though, except possibly how it allows arbitrary data to act like a random bit sequence as far as communications is concerned.Quote from: BravoV on April 05, 2018, 09:44:34 amNot just Chinese chicks - Allie Moore, CaitlinV3, Micah Elizabeth Scott, and Rinoa Super-Genius are definitely not Chinese, to name a few.Micah and Naomi top my list because they're very unique in the shows they make. Rinoa Super-Genius is another one I consider special.CaitlinV3, Joanne Chiang, and TastyPC host very similar shows and therefore are less unique.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 10:03:52 pm
content: @eevblog. She replied back on twitter.Alexander.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 11:14:27 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on April 05, 2018, 10:03:52 pmShe send me a lengthy DM.I won't reveal what's in it, but let's just say, whilst sympathetic to her plight in China, I'm still not convinced she's an innocent victim here.I think she played hard ball and she lost her Patreon as a result.She said on twitter her channel is "dead", and I can't see how. She still has 265k subs, a big loyal fan base, and the ability to upload. The lost Patreon money can be made back in other ways, I don't know why she has to stop blogging.I think I'll stop now, I know enough and my question has been answered, the claims in the most recent Vice response article are true.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2018, 02:03:32 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 05, 2018, 11:14:27 pmIf it's not easy for her to directly accept Bitcoin, how about go through a friend? I recall she has close links with Bunnie Huang. Maybe SerpentZA, who I recall moved in from outside China, can open an exchange account?Good thing there aren't any GPU coins better than Curecoin/Foldingcoin as far as using them to help Naomi goes (very difficult) or I would have a moral dilemma on my hands - contribute a tiny bit towards curing cancer or help a good friend keep her TV show going? There is a CPU coin (earnhoney) that can be easily used to help her, but my old Sandy Bridge is not efficient enough to make it worth mining this time of year. I could use that as an excuse to build a Ryzen machine except the break even period is silly long. I could look beyond mining, as in stuff like TensorFlowing paid surveys (no unobtanium 10nm ASICs, though), but it would take more than a trivial amount of time to develop and that would have to pay back in a reasonable time. I keep my Paypal separate from my "regular" money for many reasons (mainly security and letting machines set my "hobby" budget), besides giving money is a lot more fun when funneling it through electronics with a net gain.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2018, 11:42:57 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 05, 2018, 05:05:01 amA woman graced you with attention and made you feel special after giving her a steady stream of money? That's amazing! You must have unlocked some secret of the universe.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2018, 02:04:36 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 06, 2018, 11:42:57 amSteady stream? Only in an ideal world. Mining difficulty is still going up, so the only way to make it steady is to constantly add hashrate to compensate. And the difficulty is already high enough that additional investments in mining hardware take an unreasonable amount of time to pay for themselves.

author: 8bitgasm
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2018, 06:49:03 pm
content: First it was issues with Shenzhen Maker Faire, then it was issues with Make Magazine, then Vice, now Patreon. I'm starting to think I know who the problem is in all of this! Consistently combative personality, her being on the cover of Make was pure PR control on their end to bring an escalating situation to a stop; I feel that still didn't appease her in the end, whatsoever. Tweets are unbearable and 1% of them have anything to do with electronics anymore.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2018, 08:00:31 pm
content: Quote from: 8bitgasm on April 06, 2018, 06:49:03 pmIt seems she learnt that controversy sells and can work to her advantage last time. Maybe the lesson this time is that you can also end up on the other end.

author: 8bitgasm
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2018, 08:13:15 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 06, 2018, 08:00:31 pmShe's trying to do some damage control that's for sure. For what it's worth I noticed John Carmack (as in Quake) stopped following her b/w when I looked at her profile yesterday vs just now. ***Grabs pitchfork***

author: BillB
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 06, 2018, 08:39:58 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 06, 2018, 08:00:31 pmMaybe she has presidential aspirations?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 06, 2018, 08:43:58 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on April 05, 2018, 09:32:39 ami recall in one of her video, she's doing laser sintering 3d printing where she poured the chemical into the tub using gloves while wearing short jeans (you can search in her channel, much like wearing in the OP except pant down below cut down with scissor and brushed with metal brush to give some effects) i was thinking what the F is she doing didnt she think what will happen if the liquid spill onto her thigh? she cared her palm more than anything else, duh she must be onto something else, i bet that thing on her chest are china immitation silicone too. her video's are the most distracting technical videos i've ever seen, its identity crisis.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 02:58:44 am
content: Quote from: 8bitgasm on April 06, 2018, 08:13:15 pmWhich is why she omitted to mention in the video that Vice's claims of doxing are true, and moderates all comments to prevent any negative comments or questions.It's actually very smart, as people like to be on the side of the underdog against the big bad evil corporate machine.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 04:09:34 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on April 06, 2018, 08:43:58 pmWho expects excellent engineering videos from someone who's primarily an artist? You're probably looking for Micah Elizabeth Scott if you want engineering first, art second.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 04:48:53 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 07, 2018, 04:23:22 amWhy would USD be fine but Bitcoin not if neither are CNY? And by extension, since there's already a way for USD to work, what about have some third party outside China convert the Bitcoin to USD before sending it on? (In my case, I convert several oddball cryptocurrencies generated by my miners to USD on my side before sending that to her Paypal.)For those who have used both, what are the pros/cons of Paypal vs. Patreon?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 08:53:49 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 07, 2018, 04:09:34 amSo you publicly admitting that all those payment you've paid to her, and like this thread creation are purely for bikini art performance instead of technical matter ?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 01:55:24 pm
content: Who said engineers can't enjoy art? Particularly art that works well for subjective testing of how well GPUs can upscale?Besides, technically I'm not working for her, my machines (that have already paid for themselves long ago) are working for her.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 02:44:42 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 07, 2018, 01:55:24 pmSorry to burst your bubble, but studies revealed already long ago that the fine art of staring silently at the sky while simultaneously rolling both eyes works much, much better (subjectively and objectively) for testing how good GPUs can upscale.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 03:08:54 pm
content: Quote from: elgonzo on April 07, 2018, 02:44:42 pmAnd that's in a different place on the time-quality tradeoff line. For interactive apps like games, the upscaling must be done fast so as not to introduce unacceptable latency. Not sure about AMD but on Nvidia, there's a functional block (DSR) separate from the shader cores designed specifically for that application.For video playback, it merely has to keep up with the framerate and latency is irrelevant. The scaling algorithm uses the shaders for that as well as deinterlacing if applicable. Because it often reads several frames ahead to decide the best course of action, there's a mathematical limit on latency regardless of how much processing power is available. (And it expects the frames to be at a consistent framerate, which is often not the case for interactive apps.)Processing images coming off a telescope is very different and you can afford to spend minutes or more to get a single image. That's well outside the scope of general purpose multimedia apps.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 03:31:05 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 07, 2018, 01:55:24 pmLol ... no body really f*$#ing care about you, your money, your romantic life, your sex life or even the girls are your sex slaves.You must hate spam post right ? Aren't you ? Same here and believe as most people hate spam posts too.Especially posts that out of the blue, out of context, no relation to the discussion what so ever,that keeps popping out again and again, and not only here, but at everywhere at so many internet technical discussion forums, and for years (plural).C'mon, don't you ever try to search your own posts that contain the words "Tiffany Yep" ? Like these ->Latest Miss Yep spam,HERE,HERE,HERE.... damn !!! so many .. I give up, just search for your self for more.Including at the "whole" internet like these ?Really curious as these spams pop out probably when you feel horny or what ? As all these spams were made in a male dominated technical discussion forum, its really disgusting.To anyone who is reading this, that know in person Miss Tiffany Yep, please, warn her, or at least point to this thread and other like this ->Valiant Mike knight is on mission rescuing bikini Miss Wu in the dungeon, personally I'm worry about Miss Yep, probably she should file a restraining order.As internet never forget, also as a normal human being and a "responsible" adult, its quite disturbing to think about those innocence people that care about you like your parent, sister, brother, close relatives if any, when they found out about your adventure that you've done in pride.Or even worst for future loved ones like your spouse or kid if any, I really wish you never have children, as it will be really heart breaking moment that someday they will find out their dad/husband had or keep doing these for many-many years, again with great pride.Are we watching a physco in making ? You remind me ofJohn Hinckley Jr. Obsession with Jodie FosterWhat ever, just stop the spamming post.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 04:21:11 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on April 07, 2018, 08:53:49 amOn the upside: at least NiHaoMike chooses which artists he likes to support. Over here tax money gets used to support all kind of artists which would otherwise be forced to get real jobs.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 08:37:11 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on April 07, 2018, 04:21:11 pmHow little do they have to work to qualify as an "artist"? Does that include those who film throwing a carton of eggs at a tree and calling it art? Stuff like that really does give a bad name to artists who genuinely put in a lot of hard work.For those who like the mix of art and engineering from mostly the art side but find Naomi too "show off", check out CaitlinV3. She likes building PCs that look cool, including DIY covers and whatnot for a unique look. Joanne Chiang and TastyPC (the first one in that category I knew about) also build custom PCs, but no custom parts.Side note: that former Bitcoiner I know from college also called herself an artist back then. She did enjoy dancing for Bitcoins...

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 09:17:50 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on April 07, 2018, 04:21:11 pmFact checking time! In the US the National Endowment of the Arts distributes money to art projects and initiatives. Even though NiHaoMike is free to support whichever artist or exotic performer he likes, he doesn't get to choose not to contribute.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_the_Arts

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 09:25:50 pm
content: That US budget of $146 million is peanuts compared to the NL where 'we' spend over 340 million euros on 'cultural stuff(ing)' with around 15 times less people to pay for it.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 09:34:10 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on April 07, 2018, 09:25:50 pmOkay, I got curious and checked. It seems that the Dutch government spends most of the cultural budget on things like theatre groups, orchestras, cinema and literature. Another portion is spent on museums like the internationally renowned Rijksmuseum. It appears that these are almost exclusively things accessible to the general public and serving the common good.Assuming the budget you mentioned is correct and looking at the number of inhabitants in the Netherlands on the worldometer, all this translates to a relative contribution of a bit over 19 euros. You live in one of the wealthiest nations of the world and feel under 20 euros is too much to spend on cultural matters that benefit all? The greed of some people never ceases to amaze me.Of course it could all very well earn you money, rather than cost it. A diverse cultural landscape attracts tourists, which offer a large net profit. Apparently tourism in just Amsterdam yields a net profit of 2 to 3 billion, or six to nine times the entire cultural budget.I need to find better ways to spend my Saturday evenings!

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 09:46:59 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 07, 2018, 09:17:50 pmAt the risk of going way off topic, what annoys me the most are the subsidies for factory farming, GMOs, and fossil fuels. Lazy "artists" who are just looking for an excuse to not do any work are a non problem in comparison. And don't get me started on those DTV receiver "toys" that were barely worth the post-subsidy price and crippled to the point where you could often get better video quality from Youtube even back then.Trying to get back on topic, it's clear that the market for "beautiful model" + "electronics/3D printing" videos is far from saturated, so how long before there's another significant player? I recall Naomi even welcomes "competition" in that area, probably because she knows few will show off as much as she does.

author: Elasia
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 10:11:54 pm
content: The human condition prevails everywhere... males are simple minded creatures

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 10:18:31 pm
content: Iwhen the feminist initiative party here (yes they exist) proclaimed all men was just animals, as if women was not.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 10:41:00 pm
content: I don't consider her a beautiful woman. Skinny, with non existing buttocks and disproportional head an breasts. Sexy? Perhaps. I can see the reasons for arousing some guys.Alexander.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 10:58:36 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on April 07, 2018, 10:41:00 pmI know an even skinnier model in real life - one of the IEEE models at Texas A&M. It is not *that* unusual for Asians to be very skinny.

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 11:02:35 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on April 07, 2018, 10:41:00 pmHorses for courses, her look is not my style either, but I think it safe to say that for probably the majority of hetero men she is pretty attractive.That does mean that people need to be sure to keep their critical thinking hats firmly on such that their judgement isn't impaired by an unrecognised bout of white knight syndrome.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 11:05:02 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 07, 2018, 10:58:36 pmYes, but skinny people don't usually have oversized balloons for breasts...

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 11:06:44 pm
content: Quote from: sleemanj on April 07, 2018, 11:02:35 pmHey! Posting photos of other forum members is not NiHao'd!

author: Edison
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 11:18:03 pm
content: Whether it be one way or another, i do not know anyone like her, she think as me, but I just love this girl

author: The Soulman
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 11:21:50 pm
content: Quote from: sleemanj on April 07, 2018, 11:02:35 pmIs that so?? We should have a poll.Personally I find her name fairly misleading..

author: Edison
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 11:22:27 pm
content: Quote from: firewalker on April 07, 2018, 10:41:00 pmIt does not matter how it looks (she wants to look for herself, not because of you - I hate prejudices), important is what's in her head

author: The Soulman
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 11:40:54 pm
content: Quote from: Edison on April 07, 2018, 11:22:27 pmYes, I've also considered that, but judging from the 3d print test video I think it is not.Or if you mean the guy that writes her script yes, very important.Or if it is a typo (what it probably is) then I should shut up and go to bed. lol

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2018, 11:57:54 pm
content: Yes, that's what we need! A poll about what the predominantly male visitors of an engineering forum think of the attractiveness of a specific female.There's no accounting for taste, and certainly not for hormones. Let's show some restraint.

author: BillB
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 12:06:31 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 07, 2018, 11:57:54 pmNo kidding. Isn't there a subforum on 4chan for sh*t like this?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 12:26:39 am
content: Even in the videos where she dressed quite modestly (e.g. her signature "work clothes"), she's about as good looking as Joanne Chiang. The "showing off" at times is really to add to the uniqueness and gain some extra views.I'm not very much into gaming, but I presume somewhere out there is a gamer girl who wears a bikini during gaming streams. Especially since a competitive gaming machine heats up the room a lot.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 12:57:12 am
content: Quote from: BillB on April 08, 2018, 12:06:31 amI honestly don't want to know. No really, I don't.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 01:36:51 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on April 07, 2018, 04:21:11 pmThere's Art &"Art "!Real artists were doing "engineering type stuff" before Engineering was a recognised discipline.Cellini, Michelangelo, the immortal Da Vinci, & many others produced massive bronze statues which required serious knowledge of metallurgy, casting methods, accurate measurement, & so on.Da Vinci is claimed by Artists as an Artist, & by Engineers as an Engineer!

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 02:01:35 am
content: Quote from: vk6zgo on April 08, 2018, 01:36:51 amThe ancient Greeks we call philosophers were also called that because the term and concept of a scientist wasn't a thing back then. I dislike that engineering has become about just dry, functional matters. Look at almost any product on sale today and you see that concept, design and emotion are a large part of what makes or breaks it.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 05:25:56 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 08, 2018, 02:01:35 amIn senior design class, it becomes obvious through unreliable/nonworking projects that there's a huge gap between they teach in the major and what is needed to make a robust, working product.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 05:30:31 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 08, 2018, 05:25:56 amTeaching can never make an expert, nor even a competent person. Only learning can do that, and learning has to be done by the student, not the teacher. It may even be that the time allotted during a period of formal education is insufficient even for good students to learn the material thoroughly. So the learning even of fundamentals must be continued after graduation.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 07:31:11 am
content: Quote from: IanB on April 08, 2018, 05:30:31 amAnd that's the role of online television nowadays. As far as practical engineering TV goes, I think Micah Elizabeth Scott has done the best at demonstrating how to design a finished product that includes mechanical design, electronics, and programming. She does, however, jump right into advanced programming and a beginner definitely will not be able to keep up.Naomi did some tutorials on how to do 3D design, including at least one which is even work safe. April Wilkerson and Laura Kampf do well to show how to make good looking stuff in a machine shop. Jeri Ellsworth did a lot of electronics stuff but hasn't been active in a long time. And I already mentioned three models who enjoy building PCs in an earlier post. The theme is clear: good looks do make content more enjoyable.

author: Edison
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 10:39:43 am
content: Quote from: The Soulman on April 07, 2018, 11:40:54 pmyes it's a typo, it's supposed to be written "her" (I fixed it yesterday when I wrote it)I think she works for herself, hand skills and thinking you do not learn - I see it daily at work - I've trained a lot of people and some are just not learning to think technically and they're just guys(Again, sorry for my English - not good)

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 03:24:47 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 08, 2018, 10:50:53 amI'm sure Jeri is still doing a lot of electronic stuff, and I'm sure she is still very active. Oh, you meant she hasn't been producing videos for you to watch? That's not the same thing at all. Jeri has probably been concentrating more on her personal goals for career advancement and less on your needs for having something cool to watch for free on YouTube

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2018, 03:42:37 pm
content: Quote from: IanB on April 08, 2018, 03:24:47 pmLast I checked, she's in the US and should have no problem accepting Bitcoin.

author: Echo88
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2018, 11:37:53 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 08, 2018, 12:26:39 amDave: "Repairing this oscilloscope with a hot-air-station is quite exhausting. Better take off my shirt."

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2018, 12:55:33 pm
content: Quote from: Echo88 on April 09, 2018, 11:37:53 amSexploitation of Dave...

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2018, 02:19:38 am
content: Now that I remember, maybe Naomi could host the successor to The Ben Heck Show? Element 14 already has presence in China and they can easily get a lot of good advertising worldwide. Not sure how well donations fit into their business model but they could implement it as "pay what you want" for project plans and other downloadable materials.Quote from: Echo88 on April 09, 2018, 11:37:53 amIt's all fun and games until someone get a splash of hot and/or caustic substance. Even her modest "work" outfit wasn't quite enough, but she was fine.

author: Yellofriend
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2018, 08:48:06 am
content: Just wondering, is she real? Or is she so to speak a by somebody created figure that simply acts, like The Sex Pistols, or Milli Vanilli?Not saying that is anything bad. Just wondering.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2018, 12:53:52 pm
content: Quote from: Yellofriend on April 10, 2018, 08:48:06 amI think the internet police got it right.If you check this Reddit postlook at the image timaz posted of his apartment it has some of the same furniture (like 5 or 6 different pieces) that Naomi has in her videos. It's clear that timaz was a guru (and clearly a neat freak) in 3D printing circles. She (or he depending which way you look at it) also confessed it's a manufactured persona.So it's not hard to come to the conclusion after reading theVice article(snippet below) that she is in fact married to a guy who does the same work shes promoting, and by married means living with, and by living with you can assume it's not just her workshop. Unless two workshops per apartment in the "lounge" is a common thing in Shenzen.QuoteNote: This was published after Naomi/Timaz started attacking Vice.The only thing wrong with the whole thing is her doxxing Vice and giving off the impression it's all her work (if it's not). This would have her sponsors and contributors both deceived if true.Just a theory but perhaps this is why she/he is trying to present a fake name and alias and hit out hard when it looked like the husbands identity could be revealed. The Make CEO retracted his statement calling her fake. But it looks like shame/dox game didn't work with Vice and instead backfired.

author: Yellofriend
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2018, 01:54:53 pm
content: @ShockThanks for the info. Don't take so serious. The Sex Pistols were a puppet boy group, and still somehow cool. And anyway, I just look at her dress, or the lack thereof.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 10, 2018, 02:32:33 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on April 10, 2018, 08:50:24 amI believe she has admitted she has someone vet/write/translate her posts. Her PM's to me have been lengthy and grammatically perfect English, practically native speaker level. So someone is helping out on that front, and that's probably wise.As for her doing the stuff, I haven't really seen enough to comment, but I am lead to believe she has done lots of live stuff so does appear to have some legit skills. IIRC Bunnie said she had decent entry level skills.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2018, 02:42:15 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 10, 2018, 02:32:33 pmIt's quite common to have people help you with the logistics of your operation. The most popular Youtubers often have editors to edit their videos, people dealing with communication or writing or other support staff on hand. Some have complete crews working on the channel. Granted, even more are one man bands but it's certainly not unique.

author: CopperCone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2018, 03:02:18 pm
content: Whats wrong with dave jones swinging an iec cable laso around shirtless??Obviously a cyborg

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2018, 09:45:55 am
content: Quote from: CopperCone on April 10, 2018, 03:02:18 pmWe've seen him shirtless once.I think that's enough.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 22, 2018, 11:51:01 pm
content: Only slightly related but this lady knows how to avoid publishing content that harms the subject - let the subject review the content before making it public:The content itself:

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 01:32:16 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 22, 2018, 11:51:01 pmNot related at all, it's just you trying to promote your BDD agenda or whatever the reason you keep name dropping Naomi Wu and Tiffany Yep all the time and came back to bump this week old thread.The subject line of this topic is totally inaccurate if you follow the real story and chain of events. Wu's still going militant on his/her twitter like they did nothing to cause the whole situation in the first place. The whole thing smacks of someone that thought they could man shame Vice and really screwed up big time.What I'd personally like to see is instead of Naomi trying to hog the limelight selling her body image to gullible and impressionable minds, how about we start promoting some real woman in electronics. By real I mean not gender transitioning men (who seem to have fine representation), instead a higher proportion of the 50% female population who have no cosmetic surgery. You know, like normal folk that won't make teenage girls/boys think they need to disfigure themselves to get ahead.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 03:00:43 am
content: Quote from: Shock on April 23, 2018, 01:32:16 amRelated in that what apparently started or was at least a big contributor to the whole problem was the magazine not allowing the subject to review the content before it goes public. Rinoa did let the subject review the content, even though that had the disadvantage of a big delay. (Compromise: Give a reasonable deadline where if no comment is made by then, interpret it as OK to release.)QuoteShe welcomes "competition" although there apparently isn't anyone else interested in doing that quite yet. There's Joanne Chiang who is more or less on par in terms of looks (but is not excessively skinny) but doesn't do very much DIY other than building PCs. There's also CaitlinV3 who is similar but does often DIY custom parts for PCs.What do you mean by "real woman"? More focus on intelligence/skills? Micah Elizabeth Scott easily wins that. In fact, she often jumps directly into advanced programming and loses the majority of the potential audience who are not able to follow work so advanced. Her popularity? About 1/20th that of Naomi. It's clear the majority prefer to watch a "model" doing something they can probably can do themselves as opposed to watch a "professor" work on something they can't. I don't see a solution to that.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 05:38:32 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 23, 2018, 03:00:43 amI think you need to read the story and timeline again man.If you read my post you will see exactly what I meant. But then you proceeded to talk about another transgender youtuber, very troll worthy on your part.I have no race or sex prejudices, I'll watch anyone with good content. Sorry to say but Naomi bores me to tears, the drama is more entertaining than watching her work.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 06:37:46 am
content: If I was to be interviewed in order for public content to be created about me, I would definitely prefer to be able to review the content before it goes public, to avoid problems caused by a misunderstanding. For example, I would not want the phrase "I use free software I download online" to get misinterpreted as pirating software.I guess you're not in the target audience. But something must explain why Naomi, Joanne, and April (Wilkerson) are all very popular online. The reality is that good looks do matter to the majority of the audience. (And looking almost flawless even upscaled to 4K is definitely not easy.) There are far more viewers who simply want to relax while watching TV as opposed to thinking hard about the content being presented. Naomi has about 20 times as many viewers as Micah but I would expect a far larger percentage of Micah's viewers to have an advanced knowledge of something engineering related.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 06:52:08 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 23, 2018, 06:37:46 amHaving the subject review an interview beforehand is frowned upon from a journalistic integrity point of view, as has been discussed before. This requirement on her side only adds to the idea that there was an attempt of exerting untowards control, or at least significant inexperience what the standard is.Mike, you aren't a minor right?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 07:07:29 am
content: What is the concern? That the subject could manipulate the content to be misleading? A compromise could be to allow the subject to add comments but not alter the content unless there really was a big misunderstanding. It's even possible to use SHA256 hashes to prove that the content has not been changed since the date the hashes were released.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 08:03:59 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 23, 2018, 03:00:43 amNo journalist should let the subject review or have a say in the contents before it goes live.Many manufacturers have asked to see my reviews or teardown before they go live, and I tell them all to bugger off.Vice had every right to refuse to show the article before it went to press.When I was approached by a big Australian newspaper to respond to what Batteroo had said about me, I simply said no, I wasn't going to take the risk of the newspaper twisting my story, as you don't get to review these things before they go to press.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 08:08:10 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 23, 2018, 07:07:29 amYes, they get potential opportunity to control journalist narrative.In the case of manufacturers for me, they use the excuse "we just want to make sure you haven't made any mistakes". It's bullshit, they want to control narrative.In this case it turned out to be well founded because Naomi went full nuclearbeforeshe had seen the article. Imagine if she had seen it.That full nuclear option included doxing, andthreatening to doxVice staff further.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 10:45:49 am
content: Quote from: Shock on April 23, 2018, 01:32:16 amBDD?Alexander.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 11:00:44 am
content: Quote from: Shock on April 23, 2018, 01:32:16 amTrust me, he will keep doing this for years, either bumping or any methods that sort of promoting those girls, and probably he is proudly reporting every moves he made back to those girls to gain sympathies.Sharing fetish & fantasy for net girls is one thing, but sharing it publicly with complete self credentials included in male dominated forums "throughout the world" for almost a decade, well ... that is something. For sure its disgusting and annoying.PS : Hints for those who're not aware ....Try using advanced search here in this forum,posts made by him and with search item "my friend" ..... and then ....... this time try again Googlefor -> "NiHaoMike" + "my friend" to get a clue and watch the oldest creation date.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 12:48:22 pm
content: It's not a good idea to embed random haiku style comments about woman you know in a forum full of OCD engineers. Eventually you'll be questioned on your motives, either that or to please stop doing it. I'm so easily triggered by repetitive patterns.NiHaoMike, I'd rather hear what you're doing with electronics than the woman, tbh.

author: igendel
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 02:05:30 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 23, 2018, 08:03:59 amNo journalist worthy of his/her title, that is. Some of the interviews I had were published with gross omissions or incorrect information, and one of those cost me a client. Lucky for me it was all on small, local scale, but still.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 02:38:50 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on April 23, 2018, 11:00:44 amI made an announcement on Facebook the first time Naomi was in need for help and how I intended to use my miners to help her. The response from friends was all positive, and that was before Naomi even knew that I was going to help. Then I shared her post and got even more positive responses because now everyone knows I really did help out. I figured out how not to be selfish with the secret tricks I use to boost mining profitability on the energy efficient coins I mine. (Which, if you think about it, would no longer be energy efficient if the difficulty goes way high like what happened with earnhoney.)

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 03:51:14 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 23, 2018, 07:07:29 amIn the real world you get situations where people sue the other party into submission to avoid the release of a piece they don't like. Not showing the article beforehand prevents that. Other undesired situation may include sponsors pressuring writers to change an article. To avoid all kinds of subtle or severe pressure it's standard practice to simply not reveal the article until it's revealed to everyone.But Mike, it might be time to acknowledge that these women aren't waiting for an internet white knight to save them. They will politely take your donations and say favourable things about and to you, but these are women who live from being in the public eye and from donations. Men do the same, but gender seems to be a large part of the motive to donate and follow. Being nice to people and looking favorable is how they make a living, or in some cases an extra buck. However, you can be sure they will keep you at a safe distance from their actual personal lives. Becoming a real friend isn't really an option.Maybe it'd be better to get yourself an actual girl. Comb your hair and make some nice photos of yourself and get on some dating app or website. Make sure you get one with real girls. Whatever you do, don't mention the internet girls you fancy. Or if you're an adult, you can pay a woman for some physical company. That's apparently legal in some parts of the country. At least you know what you both get out of it up front, rather than endlessly donating money without having a chance of any hopes and dreams ever materializing.

author: BillB
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 23, 2018, 04:57:15 pm
content: @NiHaoMike,But what do you think about Jodie Foster?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 02:15:37 am
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 23, 2018, 03:51:14 pmCrypto can also be used to guarantee that the content would be readable with a delay - encrypt it, then release it along with part of the key to the public, while the subject gets the whole key. Then they can release the key to get it out sooner, or the community cracks the key (the number of secret bits chosen to give a reasonable delay - actually picking how many is tricky) and the content becomes readable anyways.QuoteThe main motivation is to be known as a "great engineer"* among my (other) friends. They all agree with the idea that "sharing is caring". Like I said, the feedback I got was all positive. And if it gets Naomi (or any other content creator, for that matter) to continue making content, that's actually a gift to the entire community!I have three options with my crypto mining secrets:1: Keep them a secret and hoard every coin mined. That is the most profitable but selfish option. Not exactly the most positive when trying to make friends.2: Share them, in which case the mining difficulty skyrockets as the hashrate skyrockets. That's a big negative to everyone mining the coin and causes mining efficiency to plummet. Coiners mining such coins agree to be careful sharing such secrets for that reason.3: Keep them a secret, but share some of the mined coins. I could in fact share a large fraction of the profits and still lose less than doing option 2. And the coin remains an energy efficient coin.I did give some thought to starting an organization that accepts Bitcoin and/or Ethereum and converts those into currencies that content creators readily accept. But I think that's an idea better left to someone with actual experience.*"A good engineer uses technology to help him/herself. A great engineer uses technology to help others in need."QuoteActually hiring a "lab assistant" costs far more than sharing a percentage of mining profits from my small mining cluster. That cluster currently makes about $35/month of coins that convert to Paypal and $25/month of coins that convert to Amazon gift cards, has paid for itself long ago, and only uses about 20W total from my solar power setup.Quote from: BillB on April 23, 2018, 04:57:15 pmAn actress without any engineering involvement from what I can find? Too common to be that special.For reference, Micah, Naomi, and Rinoa are my top three (active/recently active) female TV show hosts. And about the only thing they have in common is that they're ladies with an interest in technology.As for engineering-related content that is good for subjective testing of 4K upscaling using a GPU, TastyPC, JoanneTechLover, and SexyCyborg have delivered well, listed in the order I discovered them. The first two have gone inactive quite some time ago with little explanation and now there's a big question if/when any of them will make new content. My GPU is probably wondering when it will get to run that fine tuned 4K upscaler again.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 08:44:11 am
content: Come on Mike, you seem to deceive yourself but some part of you must know what's going on. How many male content makers are you following and donating to to the same degree? About how many do you start endless threads, defending their every move? BravoV and Shock aren't lying. You're thinking and donating with your little Mike and The Great Engineer seems to live in your pants.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 02:52:49 pm
content: In terms of value at time of transaction(s), Joesf Prusa and Dave Jones end up at the top of the list. Only they know what their profit margins are. And because those transactions were in Bitcoin, they were dependent on the time an anonymous (former) Bitcoiner sold me her Bitcoin miner. (That one's a bit more involved because I actually got that for my cousin who wanted to get into crypto but not have to deal with buggy miners.) And all of that was dependent on when a male intern got me into crypto mining, of which recently he discovered what I ended up doing with crypto and was very happy to see what I did!I support Naomi for similar reasons why I support Nvidia - far from perfect but way ahead of competitors. (That's not even a good comparison anymore because AMD has improved by a lot.)

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 04:34:07 pm
content: There ya go Scram, quick trip to Mexico for a cheap couple bags of saline. Bit of hustle on youtube and you could have your very own bitcoin miner.The tricky bit is walking the streets of Shenzen but if we get over the first hurdle I'm sure we can drum up a gofundme to cover expenses.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 04:43:01 pm
content: C'mon, guys... Please mind your latest iterations; this thread is starting to move a bit too close to personally attacking Mike.Who cares where does he spend his hard earnhoney money or what gender does he prefer?Are there any new developments on this story worth getting an update notice on my "new replies" list?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 04:50:59 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on April 24, 2018, 04:43:01 pmNo body f#$%ing care how he spends his money, its just this is the "RIGHT PLACE" to vent out, after suffering from all his girls fantasy spams in disguisedfor many-many years at almost everywhere.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 05:04:56 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on April 24, 2018, 04:50:59 pmYou always have the option to actually not read such threads if they really make you suffer so much...

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 05:17:06 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on April 24, 2018, 05:04:56 pmI do, its just you can NOT tag or mark at every forums you encountered at the internet.And also, why the hell should I to be the one who suffer busy evading the spams instead of him ?

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 05:37:58 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on April 24, 2018, 04:43:01 pmRsjsouza if that post was intended for me, firstly my reply was to Scram not to Mike, secondly it wasn't an insult, it was humor in light of the absurdity of internet celebrity. I'm not concerned who NiHaoMike likes or dislikes, or am racial or gender discriminatory, I'm a supporter of gay rights, pro choice, equality.Don't forget NiHaoMike bumped this thread after 12 days with no replies deliberately to promote her. She is not a victim or needs white knights saving her. But if someone expects to come to this electronics forum and promote people SUBVERSIVELY AND SPAM LIKE in threads then your motives may be called into question by other members.In one view people will read the title and see that poor Naomi was attacked by a media outlet. But if you read the back story you will see that she doxed Vice several times and instigated the Make magazine incident as well.BravoV summed it up, I'd rather read about electronics related posts than being spoon fed propaganda by someone.

author: BillB
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 05:45:35 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on April 24, 2018, 04:43:01 pmIt's not that anyone is being attacked; we care for our fellow EEVblog posters and are only suggesting they get the professional help they need. There has been an uptick in unusual posts lately on these forums from those that might be, in some way, crying out for help.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 06:24:51 pm
content: Thanks for the clarifications; perhaps I should have prefaced my previous post with "In my opinion..."Interesting how I got three different feelings: rage, sarcasm and sympathy. The emotional connection between people and the Internet works after all!Quote from: BravoV on April 24, 2018, 05:17:06 pmYou got a point, although spam will never cease to exist; fueling it tends to create more spam...Quote from: Shock on April 24, 2018, 05:37:58 pmNot only to you, but I got your point.Quote from: Shock on April 24, 2018, 05:37:58 pmTechnically it seemed to promote someone else and their failing ventures, but I get your point that the side effect of revamping a forgotten thread causes indirect promotion.Quote from: Shock on April 24, 2018, 05:37:58 pmThis thread was propaganda from the get go.Quote from: BillB on April 24, 2018, 05:45:35 pmI really didn't see it that way. My apologies and thanks for the clarification.

author: BillB
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 06:36:46 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on April 24, 2018, 06:24:51 pmNo, no, no. My comment was actually supposed to be sarcastic. I really don't care about any of these people.I guess my wife is right, itisimpossible to tell if I'm being serious or not anymore.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 06:41:40 pm
content: Quote from: BillB on April 24, 2018, 06:36:46 pm

author: John B
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 10:12:20 pm
content: Attacking Mike? I thought this was an intervention.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2018, 11:07:53 pm
content: It's certainly not my intention to attack Mike. It just seems he's pursuing something in a way that will never lead to what he's actually pursuing. That way he's setting himself up for unhappiness. People get stuck in the narrative they create for themselves and a reality check can bring things back in perspective.People lie to themselves all the time and if that makes you happy, who's to judge? However, if the narrative actually prevents you from ever achieving what you crave the most it's one of the saddest things. I fear that might be the case here.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2018, 01:10:40 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 24, 2018, 02:15:37 amThere is absolutely no reason why Naomi can't continue to make content. There is absolutely no threat to her channel or ability to upload content.Ok, she lost her Patreon income source, was she doing this as a full time gig?Every Youtuber on the planet started out doing videos in their spare time, and she could continue to do that if she has to go back to a day job.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2018, 01:16:11 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 24, 2018, 02:15:37 amIf you are doing so well why aren't you creating gigantic clusters?$60/month for 20W translates into $600/month for 200W etc, right?Heck, a single power point at 2000W could bring in $6000/month, right?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2018, 01:55:51 am
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on April 24, 2018, 04:43:01 pmSadly, earnhoney mining is no longer profitable for me - my dated Sandy Bridge E uses too much power mining it. I could build a Ryzen machine that can profitably mine it, but at more than a year to break even on the cost of building the machine, I'll pass. There are coins that are far more profitable to mine.Quote from: Mr. Scram on April 24, 2018, 11:07:53 pmI managed to achieve a high peak right while the mining craze is starting to come to an end. I ended up with a very memorable experience of mining and my friends recognize me as a great engineer.Of course, a day after I question when there will be another "model and technology" video, the original player - TastyPC - is back in 4K! One source is better than none, but no engineer wants to be reliant on a single source. And SexyCyborg comes closer to my ideal than TastyPC, JoanneTechLover, or CaitlinV3 does - soldering together stuff and designing a 3D printed case to put it in is a bit more advanced than plugging together a bunch of subassemblies designed to go together and putting them into a premade case designed to enclose them.There's still lots of room to do even better, of course, and I would like to see another "model" get an interest in technology and start her own TV show with an even greater focus on technology. I suppose Tiffany Yep could get into the game, but she's too busy with real work. And since FPGA programming is most commonly done at work, she'll have to dress work safe so as not to cut out a significant share of viewers, at which point she would basically be another Micah Elizabeth Scott. (Maybe "show off" videos for hobbyists and text/work-safe pictures for work?)How much market is there for advanced electronics/programming videos presented by a beautiful model?Quote from: EEVblog on April 25, 2018, 01:16:11 amYou forgot the cost of equipment and exchange/mining limits. The exchanges of those coins are purposely designed to limit (based on IP address, with a blacklist on all known VPN ranges) how much can be exchanged specifically to prevent someone building their own "supercomputer" to mine with. Many years ago, Perk coiners did build some very elaborate clusters, then the exchanges imposed a limit and a lot of coiners had to downsize. Some went to the effort to get a second or even third ISP to get around the IP limits but there's no way that would be profitable nowadays.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 25, 2018, 10:41:29 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 25, 2018, 01:55:51 amExactly the sameas there is for ugly males like us.She's still playing the victim I see.She'll learn fairly quickly that that won't work and people will forget her in next to no time.Oh well, her choice.Perhaps the "complicant western women in tech" don't like supporting someone who doxes people?

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 01:43:59 am
content: IMHO, the world of 2018 hasn't been buying into the victimhood playbook so prevalent just a few years ago.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 02:46:30 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 25, 2018, 10:41:29 pmI'm sure good looks do carry a competitive advantage, although I suppose presenting the information in an easy to understand format is far more important. Back when Jeri Ellsworth was making videos, her looks were a very significant part of her fame.It seems like there's a certain sense of sadness when a beautiful woman in technology goes largely out of view of the general public. The first example I know was a friend of mine who started in HVAC service, to learn about the "real world" side of HVAC. (I think of her as a little like Rinoa Super-Genius - strong and hardworking.) She had a very easy time selling preventative maintenance and I'm sure her combination of good looks and good skills were the reason why. Then she became a firmware engineer at a HVAC manufacturer, mostly never to be seen again by the users of the products she works on.The second example was that anonymous former Bitcoiner. She "Bitcoined" (some mining but mostly "live streaming" for Bitcoins - something better done with Ethereum nowadays) to pay for medical school, then graduated and became a doctor. The community felt sad to see her leave, but at least they acknowledged that they should be feeling good that Bitcoin literally played a role in helping people feel better.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 03:03:49 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 25, 2018, 01:55:51 amThen there is Nancyhttps://mathbff.com/Or Professor Kim:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmK1EnKxphikZ4mmCz2NccSnHZb7v1wV-Either way, the put on a good show and are easy to watch.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 03:19:13 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 26, 2018, 02:46:30 amBeing female and having looks does make for a competitive advantage in terms of media exposure.For example, Jeri would never have gotten those articles written about her if she wasn't a compelling "story" to the media. Never would have happened to a fat nerdy male MIT graduate who did the exact same stuff, as there is no "story" there.But Jeri's success was in large part to her fairly unique content.Similar thing with Limor Freid and her pink hair and piercings, it creates a compelling media narrative.Taking nothing away from either of course in their ability and success and hard work etc. But there is an advantage in having a compelling story, that's just the way the media works.Namomi has (had?) that too, although not nearly as remotely talented as Jeri & Limor, she's pretty much relying on her extreme looks and uniqueness. And hey, there is a market for that too, but it's not the same market as most technical people on here are into.But when it comes to success on Youtube it's a brutal and fairly level playing field, and being female and having looks often accounts for very little. You are selling your content to the individual in a crowded market, not to a magazine that wants a nice juicy front cover photo and story.Naomi does go the extreme though, so that's a market right there as she has found. Shame she has seemingly tossed it all away.QuoteWhats beauty got to do with it?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 03:28:01 am
content: Quote from: rstofer on April 26, 2018, 03:03:49 amFrom the Youtube About pageQuoteLooks like it was a co-hosted channel and they had a spat. Way too common.I only have to argue with myself

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 03:31:31 am
content: Quote from: rstofer on April 26, 2018, 03:03:49 amProfessor Kim reminds me of the TA in my power electronics class, who was also one of the judges of senior design one semester. I remember the time when one of my friends built a model airplane for her project (that flies very well despite its messy construction - the joke "snakes on a model's plane" comes to mind) and my TA looked very surprised to find that the motor drive (made from scratch with a dsPIC controller) was sensorless!Are there any videos about FPGAs and/or Verilog programming presented by a model? Preferably one worthy of 4K upscaling?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 03:35:04 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 26, 2018, 03:31:31 amWhy the hell are you so obsessed with models producing content?Just cut out a playboy centerfold and stick it on the side of your monitor while you watch normal content.I for one am obsessed with content producers, and I don't care if you who you are or what you look like. Just make good content.

author: GerryBags
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 03:39:22 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 26, 2018, 03:31:31 amI've come across many weird and wonderful fetishes in my time. This one's new. No offence, but it seems only a short way from sending $10 so you can tell the lady in the live show where to apply the flux.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 03:45:52 am
content: Quote from: GerryBags on April 26, 2018, 03:39:22 amYou're wrong and mistakenly on the the fetish type, the big problem here is spamming his net girls fantasy at males audiences across the world with full own private info disclosed, go figure.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 03:48:25 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 26, 2018, 03:35:04 amHe can't focus without unnaturally smooth skin and a massive pair of fake tits upscaled onto his TV. There must be jiggling.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 03:54:53 am
content: IEEE at Texas A&M (when I went there) had three "models" to "promote" the events. They are EE students so they're actually knowledgeable about the subject.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 05:18:18 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on April 26, 2018, 03:31:31 amJust wondering, Mike: do you have anymalefriends? Can't recall seeing you refer to one as 'he' or 'his'. Maybe blokes just fly under your radar?

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 05:58:34 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on April 26, 2018, 03:48:25 amActually, "worthy of 4K upscaling" is more about the lack of flaws that would be worsened at higher resolution. I remember some article a long time ago to the effect that Britney Spears didn't want to be filmed in 1080p because that would make the flaws stand out. Interesting note: I once played around with the shaders in mpv and found that if I apply a LPF on a Britney Spears video, she looks better but the rest of the video looks "wrong", spoiling the effect. I have a smartphone that does some DSP trickery to make people look better without messing up the whole picture. And I have played with a prototype smartphone that tries to "grade" how beautiful someone is, but doesn't do well at it...As far as "large breasts" goes, I understand it's something often desired because it's "cool" and a lot of models have them. But at the same time, that's a disadvantage when working in tight spaces. I remember Rinoa Super-Genius saying that she is thankful she *doesn't* have large breasts because they would get in the way. On the other end, Naomi has said something about how proud she is of her insane chest-to-waist ratio. It's all down to personal preference.Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 26, 2018, 05:18:18 amThey are more common, so more difficult for them to do something noteworthy because of competition. A little bit like how 1TH/s is a tiny hashrate for Bitcoin, but very large for Realbucks.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 26, 2018, 06:15:12 am
content: Ok, I think this is just turning into a NiHaoMike troll-fest now. Thread locked.