FLIR T860 Released - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: peppy88
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 09:22:56 pm
content: Looks like FLIR released a T860 with 640x480 resolution. It uses the same lens as the Exx and T5xx series.Does this mean that all of them have the same sensor?https://www.flir.com/products/t860/?model=89202-0101https://www.flir.com/news-center/industrial/new-flir-t860-high-performance-thermal-camera-streamlines-industrial-inspections/

author: Chanc3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 09:25:35 pm
content: Quote from: peppy88 on September 04, 2019, 09:22:56 pmNope, they don't/didn't initially. They've fabricated new sensors for this model, which were not in the earlier T530, T540, T840. Now they do have the new sensor, I suspect all cameras from here on in will have it.

author: peppy88
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2019, 09:31:18 pm
content: Quote from: Chanc3 on September 04, 2019, 09:25:35 pmAh good to know. Thanks

author: ir.ukrm
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 06:24:28 pm
content: Quote from: peppy88 on September 04, 2019, 09:22:56 pm

author: Vipitis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 09:44:41 pm
content: 12um pixel pitch but only 30hz;

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 09:49:17 pm
content: Call me old fashioned, but I would avoid 12um pixel based Microbolometers in professional thermal cameras. To me, the 12um technology is still being refined. I would stick with 17um and larger pixelsFraser

author: bap2703
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 05, 2019, 11:49:46 pm
content: What about 10um from competitors?

author: Ultrapurple
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2019, 08:33:45 am
content: Doubly so, at least for the time being, in the high-end professional world.If, like me, you're mainly interested in pretty pictures then buy whatever you can afford.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2019, 10:27:40 am
content: In my opinion the cameras utilising Microbolometer pixels of 12um and below are a little like the first Agema microbolometer based PM570 camera (released in 1997). Cutting edge, but still finding its way and in need of further development. Early adopters or those with no other option tolerate the developmental issues but, given the choice, a more mature Microbolometer type is a better option at the moment. 17um based technology is well developed and 25um even more so.Remember, the smaller the pixels, the lower the the sensitivity and the more electronic and software 'magic' needed to produce the image quality of a larger pixel Microbolometer.The 12um technology will mature but I do not think FLIR have mastered it yet. DRS has developed clever 12um pixel designs and are ahead of FLIR in this technology.Finally. Ask yourself why are 12um pixels being used..... For the manufacturer it means lower fabrication costs per microbolometer, it reads in specs like the latest technology and smaller lens dimensions are possible, further lowering cost. Camera core size may be reduced a little compared to 17um based cores. Are the cost savings passed on to the end user ? Maybe. Smaller is not always better.FLIR are heavily investing in thermal core miniaturisation to fulfil the needs of the Military market sector. Think miniature drones, light weapons sights and personal thermal vision. 12um or smaller pixels are the way to go for core miniaturisation. The BOSON should be a great little core ...... Is it ? Well I will leave that for others to decide. Let's just say, it appears to have some development related issues.Fraser

author: frogg
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2019, 11:05:01 am
content: Right, Fraser. One has to remember that the manufacturers of the microbolometers are semiconductor manufacturers. Therefore, they will always care about what all semiconductor manufacturers care about: Smaller processes, die shrink, higher process yields, lower defect count, and other things like wafer level packaging.One has to remember that thermal cameras are integrated systems. Every camera must be looked at as a sum of its parts. The optics, detector, supporting hardware, low-level software and high-level software all have to considered to evaluate the camera.