How can a 50V 100 uF electrolytic be so small?? - Page 1
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author: watchmaker
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2024, 11:10:51 pm
content: Electrolytic capacitors seem to have really shrunk over the years. Do they really hold up as well as a physically larger one? What changed that made them possible?Thanks.Dewey

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2024, 11:38:45 pm
content: Depends on what you mean “smaller” and “larger”.If you bought something, which looks like a 6.3 V 47 µF wet electrolytic capacitor from eBay, it probably is a 6.3 V 47 µF capacitor.If you mean the reduction in size by 1/3 in each dimension over the past 30 years: materials science progressed greatly in that time. Thinner isolation layers, wet electrolyte replaced with polymers, better production process control. Just look at thiswet electrolytic capacitor cutawayfrom over 10 years ago: can you see how much space the seal alone takes?

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2024, 01:54:32 am
content: ... Some day, young EE students won't even know the joy of having one of those wet electrolytics explode from overvoltage with a BANG and glorious confetti paper eruption!

author: David Hess
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2024, 05:37:49 am
content: Quote from: watchmaker on April 11, 2024, 11:10:51 pmManufacturing got better, but their smaller case size limits their ripple current rating.

author: watchmaker
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 12, 2024, 09:43:05 am
content: Thank you all. "When I was a boy.......", if I recall correctly, we had electrolytic, ceramic and paper. Today there is mylar, tantalum, polyester, mini electrolytics, and whatever else I do not know. It was simple, electrolytics in PSUs, ceramics in coupling and bypass, and paper for oscillator ckts.Now it seems that the use of capacitors ( a very simple concept) has become extremely sophisticated. I have followed (tried?) some of the threads regarding "esoteric" (to me) uses and now I am ready to continue my basic studies with the next topic being capacitors. It now has tremendous relevance. Much more to the topic than time constants!This looks to me like it can be a more complicated subject than transistors! I love it.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 12, 2024, 09:48:28 am
content: Electrolytic capacitors barely became any smaller in last 20-30 years. For a long time caps come in multiple size versions, most miniature ones have way lower lifetime on average. Before that, yes there was shrinkage, especially compared to stuff from say 1960s.

author: Zenith
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2024, 10:15:38 am
content: The properties of capacitors are quite involved, although for most purposes you can ignore much of it. Cost and size are involved when choosing a part, as well as technical considerations.If you have a copy of The Art of Electronics (Horowitz & Hill) they give a list of 15 capacitor types, with their advantages and disadvantages.Generally for a given capacitance and voltage, they've become smaller over the years because of better materials and construction techniques.

author: radiolistener
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2024, 10:32:30 am
content: Quote from: Smokey on April 12, 2024, 01:54:32 amwith a very disgusting smellSome capacitors have very toxic and dangerous chemistry inside. For example old oil capacitors withpolychlorinated biphenylsfor motors and mains circuits, especially these which working temperature is more than 95 °C.

author: wizard69
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 16, 2024, 02:37:35 am
content: Quote from: watchmaker on April 11, 2024, 11:10:51 pmSDI or Star Wars as it was sometimes called, resulted in a lot of money being funneled into capacitor technology. Consider super capacitors we can get today, they are even more amazing for size. In any event electrolytic caps have such a horrible reputation that many manufactures have been trying to resolve the reliability problem these caps have, so on going research for years.On the flip side we have Chinese manufactures that are optimistic about their products.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 16, 2024, 02:40:09 am
content: thats what reagan was talking about, it trickled down into the capacitors. i was looking for that money for a LONG time. Some complex economic analogy involving gutters and water tables. I guess we got like a rain barrel from a severely flooded crapper. reagan (god) works in mysterious waysI thought we might get ion beam carpenters saws, but at least we got something

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 16, 2024, 08:36:43 pm
content: Quote from: radiolistener on April 12, 2024, 10:32:30 amAt least it's not as bad as the cloud of nasty magic smoke that comes out of a dipped tantalum that turned into a candle. That smell sticks around for days.