Teledyne LeCroy gear looks exactly like Siglent - Page 1
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author: pascal_sweden
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2020, 09:41:33 am
content: The equipment from Teledyne LeCroy shown in this video looks exactly like Siglent.https://youtu.be/a0ekAbroW7cIs it really an OEM design?Does anybody know the truth about this?I can't help it, but the black labels are extremely ugly in my opinion.What do other people think about those black labels?

author: jemangedeslolos
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2020, 10:35:02 am
content: It is a Siglent design, but the last power supply showed in the video is a GW Instek design.So when you buy a Lecroy multimeter, you actually buy a Siglent multimeter whose layout and GUI is copied from Agilent

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2020, 10:47:24 am
content: Someone call the DSO Fashion Police!They look like thick eyebrow/s sported by the evil dude in The Thunderbirds,and that Youtuber electrodude? that zaps himself 24/7!

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2020, 12:00:26 pm
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on May 15, 2020, 09:41:33 amBecause it is !More Siglent rebrands here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/remember-when-siglents-logo-wasnt-ugly/msg1577215/#msg1577215

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2020, 01:34:00 pm
content: Quote from: pascal_sweden on May 15, 2020, 09:41:33 amiirc it was discussed here that Siglent developed the HW (OEM?) for TeleDyne and LeCroy developed the FW and Logo printing.. you can search the thread.. the one with Siglent Logo has Siglent FW in it, so the difference is the FW inside. thats what i understood from the who know what in the business..

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2020, 01:46:04 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on May 15, 2020, 01:34:00 pmCorrect....for the joint development of the Siglent branded SDS3000 series...WS3000 ?TeleDyne is credited with the SW that runs in both brands.Edit to addPic from old LeCroy = SDS3000 thread:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/lecroy_s-newest-siglent-scope-is-here!/Now it's just about Siglent rebadging their own products and reflashing them with other resellers boot logos and GUI's.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2020, 08:25:21 pm
content: To me, this is the most outrageous thing:Lecroy T3DSO1204 and Siglent SDS1204X-E....A single sticker double the priceedit: model name corrected

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 15, 2020, 11:17:33 pm
content: The double price unit may get you a better price when sold later,and may have some support beyond the warranty, or real support during the warranty,note I stated 'may' for both =?There's also the prestige of a 'Teledyne LeCroy' sitting on the benchnot sure if that matters much in the current climate of doom and gloom and saving a dollarIf it's a prestige problem, or peer -gear snobbery- runs rampant in the workplace,some white electrical tape can fix the brand name fast n cheep

author: Scratch.HTF
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 01:28:18 am
content: And one thing I noticed was that Siglent uses the same default channel colour scheme as LeCroy.

author: snoopy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 03:17:28 am
content: Trump won't be happy with this because he wants all work done on the JSF-35 brought back to the US

author: snoopy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 03:19:16 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on May 15, 2020, 11:17:33 pmThe smart thing for Lecroy to do would be to get Siglent to add a few more features not available in the Siglent model otherwise you are just paying a premium for a badge

author: JxR
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 05:04:14 am
content: Isn't the WaveRunner 8000HD, just Lecroy taking Tek's MSO5/6 series and putting some decent software behind it? Seems like Lecroy finds good hardware and either makes it better, or uses their name to charge a premium. Please correct me if I'm talking nonsense..Regardless, I see it as a of recognition of the quality of Siglent's T&M equipment if they are an OEM for Lecroy.

author: modoran
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 05:23:51 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on May 15, 2020, 08:25:21 pmLecroy T3DSO1204 is the same thing as SDS1204X-E, NOTSDS1104X-E. Do you mean Lecroy T3DSO1104 ?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 08:54:22 am
content: Quote from: JxR on May 16, 2020, 05:04:14 amNo it's not. Those two are quite different..

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 08:56:58 am
content: Quote from: snoopy on May 16, 2020, 03:19:16 amEven when you buy real A brand product, you are paying a premium for a badge, you pay twice as much as realistic price, but have no choice..

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 10:19:28 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 16, 2020, 08:56:58 amSome of the rebadges had different firmware, thus giving an edge to the A-brand gear (case of WS3000 and SDS3000 pointed by tautech above). In this particular case that does not seem to be the case, though. At least they chose a decent OEM this time, and not a terrible one for their Waveace line of products.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 11:25:29 am
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on May 16, 2020, 10:19:28 amAFAIK Waveace are also Siglent rebadges.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 12:29:15 pm
content: Quote from: modoran on May 16, 2020, 05:23:51 amNo, I´ve meant the SDS1204, see pic.My fault, will be corrected.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 01:17:56 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on May 16, 2020, 11:25:29 amFunny. I stand corrected. I had the impression they were another OEM, but indeed they are Siglent.https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/should-i-buy-a-lecroy-wave-ace/

author: JxR
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 05:14:35 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on May 16, 2020, 08:54:22 amThen I stand corrected, thanks.

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 05:32:50 pm
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on May 15, 2020, 11:17:33 pmsometimes it's more complex, i remember i tried to sell few years ago "lot of" Hantek's DSO8202E to customer who saw my Hantek as i visited them. After i provided price, Controlling refused it "becaus of brand name", however they accepted the idea of re-branded Hantek (Extech MS6200), but finally refused it because Extech was twice the price of Hantek. Finally they bought another A Brand product, however only "a few" instead of "a lot". I bet they would today choose LeCroy instead of Siglent, just because of name.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 16, 2020, 11:02:39 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on May 16, 2020, 05:32:50 pmToo right, a bet that's a sure thingYou're not alone on that, I've been through the same customer/s thriftidiocracysales ordeal,wanting both prestige and cheap priceyet not going with a much cheaper re-badgedexact same internalsitem, with a longer warrantyeven after I proved to them beyond doubt (photos and original receipt) and not sales procrastination prodding BS, that I also bought and used that same product'because it did the same job and just fit my frugal budget'Another time(well meaning idiot moment #2)I was willing to buy in with a customer on two units (one each) so I/we could get both for a good discount, on top of the already cheap price,but brand name prestige killed that deal at the finish line after a phone call to their 'friend who knows about..'so I went ahead and bought mine anyway, luckily the boss was cool to put the second unit on demo rather than send back (which I sold within the week and scored some commission)and after that gave up on 'favors' on the sales floor,and that included friends and family who can be a real challenge sometimes,recommend any dealings at your workplace to be avoided at all costsEither send them elsewhere or get a colleague to deal with them, and walk away.Some sales people here may know what I mean..

author: snoopy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2020, 01:51:07 am
content: Quote from: Electro Detective on May 16, 2020, 11:02:39 pmI have a friend like that. You sell him a 2nd hand item and 2 weeks later he will bring it back complaining about something

author: Sighound36
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2020, 05:44:36 pm
content: Quote from: snoopy on May 17, 2020, 01:51:07 amSnoopySounds like an English e-bay buyer, professional non payers and a mind set that needs an enema

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2020, 06:02:23 pm
content: Quote from: snoopy on May 17, 2020, 01:51:07 amTry give away stuff for free! I stopped doing that. Instead I sell my junk for 5 to 50 euros or so. I already wrote it a couple of times; some people feel much better about something if they spend their money on it even though it is crap. After all they can't be that stupid!