Announcement: I am not a Brymen distributor anymore - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 28, 2017, 04:39:34 am
content: Just a heads up, I have given up trying to distribute Brymen in South America. There is nothing wrong with Brymen as a brand, nor is there any problem with their quality. I still believe Brymen meters to be one of the best buys in multimeters for most people.My decision comes from the economic realities of trying to sell anything in South America against the global market. Brymen does not seem to be able to control the sales of their products to protect local distributors and I find my self competing against European behemoths who can sell world wide while Brymen prevents me from selling the same way.This is the basis of my decision and has nothing to do with the quality or value of Brymen equipment. It has everything to do with being forced to compete in a world wide market with rules forced on me making it impossible to compete where I live and not be able to sell world wide whereas my competition is allowed to.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 04:47:55 am
content: This is happening everywhere. You're not the only victim of the global walmartization of everything.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 11:12:46 am
content: And think that you are in Chile, the most stable (or should I say in the least disarray) country in South America.

author: MosherIV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 12:38:35 pm
content: Sorry to hear that Lightages.Hope you can make thing work without Brymen.Look forward to seeing posts from you in future

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2017, 05:38:52 pm
content: Quote from: Lightages on April 28, 2017, 04:39:34 amHow can Brymen controlling the sales of their products possibly be a good thing for the consumer? All it would do is stifle competition and keep prices artificially high.I disagree with Brymen preventing you from selling to other countries: you should be able to sell to whoever you like.

author: Ice-Tea
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2017, 05:51:49 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on July 23, 2017, 05:38:52 pmRegional control does make sense. Otherwise the problem is that people will search the globe for the lowest price but will come to the local distributor for service. The local distributor will make an effort to promote the product on fairs, herhaps put out adds etc etc. People will see it and bypass the distributor for the lowest possible offer.You are right, off course: at its worst, it will keep prices high. At its best, its the best way to ensure local support for what you have bought.

author: boffin
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 23, 2017, 05:54:35 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on July 23, 2017, 05:38:52 pm1) You sign an exclusive deal to sell Brymen in a country (let's call it Elbonia)2) The dealer in Equatorial Kundu starts selling directly to people in ElboniaYou say WTF ? You gave me an exclusive (backed up by contract). Company says "ooh, yeah, need to make sure that dealers in #1 don't sue me for allowing #2 to sell into #1, breaking my own contract", hence the restriction.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2017, 06:06:17 pm
content: Quote from: Ice-Tea on July 23, 2017, 05:51:49 pmSorry, that doesn't make any sense. The local distributor has no obligation to offer any service to those who bought the product from someone else. They have every right to tell them to deal with whoever they bought the item from. It would be like buying something from ebay, having a problem with it, then popping into your local highstreet store, who sells the same product and expecting them to help you.When someone buys something, off a third party, their contract is with the seller, not the manufacturer or local distributor. It's the person who sold it so them, they need to go to for warranty issues and support. If the seller is abroad, it can be more difficult for the customer to get service. People have a choice: buy from a local distributor, pay more but be sure they'll get support, or pay less to an international seller and run the risk of not getting any support.

author: Ice-Tea
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2017, 06:48:40 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on July 23, 2017, 06:06:17 pmThis is exactly what happens, actually. Not that they have a right to it, but it *is* what happens. At some point, I offered certain products and did a shitload of research for it and invested considerable amounts in that research. Worked fine for some time, untill some eBay shops started selling product that were at first sight comparable (and sometimes were indeed the same). I then started receiving mails asking and sometimes demanding advise on which product off eBay would be the most likely to yield good results.QuoteThat's where you're wrong. It is not just the buyers choice, the brand itself will also choose if they wish to be a brand that offers excellent local service and support. If the brand allows local distris to go out of bussiness because they can't handle the abroad competition, the choice you mentioned above no longer exists, much to the detriment of the brand.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2017, 07:15:15 pm
content: Quote from: blueskull on July 23, 2017, 06:59:46 pmPerhaps people just don't value the service any more and are more bothered about price? I would have thought that might be the case for hobbyists and private individuals but not for big companies.Quote from: blueskull on July 23, 2017, 07:04:55 pmWhy not simply only deal with those who've you've sold to? That's how it works for everything else. Someone buys a product, they get a receipt and the vendor records the serial number, against the customer's name.As far as cloning is concerned. Anti-reverse engineering measures will only go so far. The only way to get round that is to continuously innovate, keeping the design fresh.

author: Ice-Tea
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2017, 07:19:16 pm
content: Companies like TÜV offer such services, but that is not the point. Even if a local distri only offers service to the products it sold itself, he will still go out of bussiness if no products are bought with him because the overseas option is cheaper.Imagine: a Brand has a local distri1) Because the Brand forces the distri to offer service (qualified personel, ESD controlled area, T&M gear etc) their prices are higher than both large abroad competitors playing acording to the same rules and backdoor channel eBay sellers.2) Because of this, they only sell a fraction of the volume bought in their region/country3) They go out of bussiness, leaving the Brand without local support4) Customers, even the ones hunting for the lowest possible price, will be put off by a brand that has no local presence of any kind.5) The Brand suffers dropping sales (while they had little to no gains from people going around their official distri in the first place.So, yes, a Brand does have a stake in setting up regional restrictions for their distributors. But as the OP mentioned, kinda difficult making that hard towards one of your biggest customers WW.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2017, 07:39:23 pm
content: Quote from: Ice-Tea on July 23, 2017, 07:19:16 pmThat's nothing new and is worse for electronics retail businesses, which have been in decline for many years.Quote from: blueskull on July 23, 2017, 07:18:13 pmOh I see what you mean. Still the only way round that is to deal with your customers. You don't need serial numbers on your products. Keep records of who you sell what to. If someone hasn't bought it off you, then they don't get anything off you. If a random person contacts you, about a problem they've had with a product you sell, explain to them that they have a contract with the person who sold it to them and need to contact them for support.