Debunking Bedini chargers and RPX side band generator! Battery KILLERS! - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2017, 09:41:40 pm
content: We have all heard about John Bedini chargers, but do you know that keeping your batteries charged/floated on these chargers, the charger will actually shorten the life and kill your batteries! Proven in real life after years of constant charging/floating my brand new batteries died one by one!Do you also know that RPX machine (based on Rife frequencies that killed cancer) built by John Bedini and still sold by REMOVED is nothing but fraud and REMOVED of teslachargers is perpetrating the biggest scam of Energenx history by linking the device with Rife machine and selling RPX based on the story that it will cure you of anything based on Rife story! You can't return the unit if you are not cured and the company gives no claims and has no refunds! So not only you lose $300 + extra equipment you have to buy to run RPX but you lose hope and time and possibly your life as a consequence!Read, listen, and watch my story that I posted in the video description at:This is video where I disassemble my very 1st of 6 Bedini chargers:I will be opening up all Bedini units valued about $5000 and showing them to all youtube so people can beware. Next video comes out on Friday, 7th, 2017I am just tired of profiteering people like REMOVED defrauding other honest sick people and trying to squeeze the gullible people's final savings and hope for life when their are terminally sick. I call on you to sign a petition for FDA to investigate the fraud of RPX based on Rife's medical device.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2017, 09:45:47 pm
content: OR:http://imgur.com/a/3K0L7

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2017, 10:27:57 pm
content: Is this a joke? "Rife machines"?I found this:http://rifevideos.com/rife_machine_technology.htmlSomeone needs to join the Flat Earth Society next. Only in the US will you find such gullible people.Instead of complaining to the FDA, beefing up your education system would be a better choice to avoid snake oil.

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 04, 2017, 11:27:47 pm
content: What does the Food and Drug Administration have to do with battery chargers? I'm sorry, but I'm not going to sit through nearly 2 hours of videos to find out.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 05:00:10 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on July 04, 2017, 11:27:47 pmTips, never, ever treat seriously any newly created thread by a "new" user that has just few post count.I came here just to read the rants by fellow forumers.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 05:00:39 am
content: Benta, Unfortunatelyno onecan beef up their education in regards to all topics available to humanity: nuclear physics, electronics, laws of thermodynamics, gravity, heat, wave propgation, microbiology and virology, gene engineering, chemical engeneering...etc, this is just not pssible, that is why there are specialists like: machinists, tank operators, doctors, nuclear technicians, mathematicians, etc. We, as humans all have to rely on each other. If we had a deceitful mind all the time you wouldn't even give the money to a cashier first! As the cashier would take the money from you and claim he/she didn't take it! We all rely on integrity of individuals we deal with, this is even how the economics of the world runs: banks borrow and loan money to other banks based on 'paper' trust and integrity. The bank wouldn't loan you the money if they thought you would run off to Colombia from your country of origin -- everyone trusts and no knowledge can cover all topics available to you on this earth.So, the point is is that NO ONE can beef up adequately for anything unless you a specialist in one or two professions among thousands, but then if you are an electronics engineer you are powerless against a doctor who tells you they have come up with an HIV vaccine.When you say ONLY IN US YOU CAN FIND SUCH GULLIBLE PEOPLE, this is a common gross misconception! and stereotyping. In germany there are countless gullible people from religion wood cults to organized crime. Every country has people that fell a victim under someones else's lies. Simple fact most people know, and some don't. So you can't really beef up this education and know all facts, can you?!

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 05:08:01 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on July 04, 2017, 11:27:47 pmYou don't have to wait for 2 hours to listen: --- attention to details! You can download a PDF of REMOVED correspondence on forum with me after which he banned me for telling like it ishttps://ufile.io/7mk8k-(only available for 30 days to download) - company that sells RPX and sold Bedini chargers and is the only official Bedini distributor of his SG, books and videos, and chargers and all Bedini stuff. In that PDF you will find my correpsondence with the guy and see the lies and manipulation and evasion of question and lies. Simple! Link for pdf and other files is provided in 1st video in the video description comment.FDA? Simple! they will put pressure on the company and may shut them down.I will also, beyond the first video, taking apart all Bedini chargers and showing to all interested parties in electrical and electronics engineering, and hobbyists. That's on my part to buy units which are hell expensive and open them all up for you to see the insides. I would be happy not to post if someone already did that for me: open up expensive Bedini chargers and showed the insides on YouTube. I have 6 chargers which I will post the insides of. Snake oil at its best! Next video is on Friday, July 7th with the guts out of another charger.

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 06:15:51 am
content: Quote from: TruthExposé on July 05, 2017, 05:08:01 amDo you mean the FTC(Federal Trade Commission)? The FDA regulates foods and drugs, not battery chargers.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 06:52:11 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on July 05, 2017, 06:15:51 amIt is FDA not FTC that regulates medical devices and drugs and anything medical in USA. In the history of FDA they shut down, fined, and imprisoned the employers of companies that sold allegedly medical devices that are said to treat, and cure you of diseases, cancer or infections. Especially when it came down to misery and misfortune of cancer patients who were gullible enough to buy snake oil devices who bought devices similar to Rife, Beck, etc, I refer you to SOTA canada, for example, -they had a problem with canadian laws and can't claim anything medical, Hulda Clark in US- ran away to Mexico after she was under FDA surveillance, there are many more cases I won't state here as it is all available on google but I am giving a good start to investigate. If you are not an M.D. you have NO right to claim to cure or treat (or kill viruses to improve your health)--if you do, you go to jail or face a huge fine from FDA. RPX is based on Rife as per REMOVED and Bedini who sell that snake oil. Bedini was also, in one of his videos, distributing a virus killer schematics, () saying his schematics work bt Bob Beck's doesn't. I have and tried Bob Beck devices for blood 'cleansing' it is another snacke oil device that I proved to myself after getting a blood report from an M.D. confirming the viral count unchanged after 6 months under the snake oil 'treatment'. Sad, but true.Links as examples about FDA, google some more for real criminal offences and proesecutions:https://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/97s0163/97s-0163-let0956-vol28.pdfhttps://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2016/ucm485275.htmAlso as an example about FDA's work read about Wilhelm Reich on wikipedia:..."In July 1947 Dr. J. J. Durrett, director of the Medical Advisory Division of the Federal Trade Commission, wrote to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) asking them to investigate Reich's claims about the health benefits of orgone. The FDA assigned an investigator to the case, who learned that Reich had built 250 accumulators. The FDA concluded that they were dealing with a "fraud of the first magnitude." ..."

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 06:57:02 am
content: Are we talking about a battery charger or a medical device?

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 07:09:21 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on July 05, 2017, 06:57:02 amOnly FDA regulates medical device. But I discuss both, medical devices like RPX and Bedini chargers that 'rejuvenate', as you can see on my YouTube channel: TruthExposé, I am debunking Bedini chargers that KILL batteries based on my own experience as I have charged my brand new batteries over the years and they have died one by one, I show to you my chargers that I purchased from EnergenX through teslachargers.com and I show to yout that the company ignored me when questioned about my batteries dying when charged with Bedini chargers that 'rejuvenate', they instead insulted me and banned me from telling the truth. They were promoting battery rejuvination business and selling Bedini chargers.Sale of RPX healing device based on Rife by same company is also being addressed by me in video #1 I posted on my channel. Another snake device with no claims and no refunds, read my pdf I posted above or in video #1 description.Just watch updates: once I am done with Bedini, I will post medical devices snake oils that no one posted online yet, it is going to be TruthExposé at its finest

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 08:11:16 am
content: It seems to me that your true reason for posting here was to direct us to your YouTube channel, not to have a discussion.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 09:04:50 am
content: Quote from: MarkS on July 05, 2017, 08:11:16 amHow will you or anyone, will have a discussion, based on what? Rumors and gossip? I provide materials to review and judge, not only videos but documents and correspondence and years of my use of Bedini chargers on videos. If I do NOT direct you to my videos and documents to REVIEW,whatdiscussion is going to be basedupon??There is enough evidence I posted for discussion and most important for analysis of the data.

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 02:29:39 pm
content: Quote from: TruthExposé on July 05, 2017, 09:04:50 amThis is a discussion forum. We are here to discuss topics. You are more than welcome to join in on discussing topics here, even topics shown in your videos. However, if your sole purpose is to spam the forum with your videos with the focus on gaining views on YouTube, then this is not the place for you.That being said, I have some questions about your videos:1.) You show four of the same brand and model of lead acid batteries in the first video. You mention that these are four of an original nine and that you connect them in parallel. I'll let the math wizards over at Numberphile work out how you managed even banks of two batteries out of nine, but no matter. Simple probability tells me that if you pick four batteries out of nine randomly and those four are the same brand and model, then it stands to reason that the majority of the nine are of the same brand and model; I'd wager all nine. Has it ever occurred to you that you found a manufacturing defect in that brand and model of battery? What other brands and models have you tried?2.) While any charger will attempt to charge any type of battery connected to it, it will only do so efficiently and safely (non-explosively) with the battery type it is design for. Is this charger designed for lead acid batteries? Its size seems to be more likely designed for NiCad or LiPo.3.)While connecting two or more batteries in parallel will increase the output voltage by the sum of each battery's voltage, from the perspective of the charger, two 6-volt cells may not necessarily appear as a single 12 volt cell.Multi-cell chargers require different circuitry than single cell, depending on battery type. Is it rated for multi-cell charging? Have you tried charging individual12-voltcells?4.) Have you tried multiple chargers of the same brand? It is entirely possible that you discovered an engineering defect that went unnoticed. It happens. It is also completely possible that you have a defective unit. This doesn't constitute "fraud". You, yourself, stated that it worked, at least initially.5.) Bulging lead acid batteries typically do so due to a hydrogen gas build up. This can have potentially deadly consequences. The manufacturer has the right to be notified of the problem in order to fix the issue before someone gets injured. Have you notified the manufacturer of your findings, or are you just accusing them of fraud?As to the "medical" device, yes, it does have that slightly disgusting aroma of snake oil and I bet it is. However, I am not qualified to comment on the efficacy of a medical device, and I doubt you are either. Medical engineering is a far more advanced specialty than electrical engineering alone. I think of all the members here, only one works in this field. Your average E.E. wouldn't be able to diagnose a defibrillator, for example; You'd have to know how the heart functions to know what voltages, current and frequencies are needed to restart the heart without burning the heart.All that being said, how does the questionable medical device relate to the charger? We're not talking about an apples to apples comparison here. If you're using the questionable medical device to assert that the charger is a scam, then you're making the age old mistake of thinking that correlation equals causation. Just because it is the same manufacturer doesn't make the charger a scam product. Poorly engineered, maybe, but you haven't proven that it's a scam.

author: nugglix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 03:45:47 pm
content: Quote*cough*

author: MarkS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 03:49:38 pm
content: Quote from: nugglix on July 05, 2017, 03:45:47 pm!!! You're right! I knew that didn't sound correct!

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 05, 2017, 07:06:37 pm
content: Quote from: MarkS on July 05, 2017, 02:29:39 pmQuoteIf you do research on YouTube and gaining views, monetization and AdSense, you will find out that it will take decades with the topiclike Bedinito gain views!Keep it in mind!!QuoteThe first brand of Lawn and Garden variety 4pcs as seen on video: Interstate. Other brand I had 5pcs I scrapped 4 for metal and 1 is in the garage I have to see what it says. Deep cycle Marine were brand new from walmart as well and they were also of different brand. I scrapped them as well, butyou can go to energyscienceforum.com and lookup my username:tesla. In 2013-2014 I posted my battery brands and amps values and C20 rates on there and addressed that my batteries are dying when charging with Bedini charger---I was ignored. If my posts are not deleted, as I was banned from complaining,go there take a look!!!QuoteI seeyou have not acquainted yourselfwith Bedini chargers!!You should before you start a discussion and put any input!!!!!!Information is available at teslachargers.com, also online, google it! Chargers are for lead -acid batts, my batts were lead-acid.QuotePlease note, you are not correct, you must be a beginner and still learning, butbatteries in parallel do NOT add in voltage as you claim, they add in amperage. Learn KVL and KCL!Please, again, acquaint yourself with documentation and charging methods of the chargers, available for these chargers, google or go to the Bedini website. Charging instructions are there over 20 pages for all chargers I have listed in videos, review them before discussion, otherwise it will look like you have not done your homework and will get a bad grade, please add to the discussion by reviewing forms and documents, all available online as above mentioned.QuoteYes, if you took Statistics and Probability at a university, you will know your chances of that!QuoteYes, it's all good, please review the video again and read at least on wiki why acid-lead batts walls are bulging out after some time! You will be surprised that it's not hydrogen!QuoteI agree with you!QuotePrevious deeds tell a lot about a person. Just read my RPX pdf I have posted a link to earlier. It is in my first video description. May I suggest you buy RPX if you believe it is not a snake oil and I will test it for you free of charge, and do a blood viral count -- I will post results online for everyone to see, you mind!?

author: MagicSmoker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2017, 11:54:05 am
content: Quote from: TruthExposé on July 05, 2017, 07:06:37 pm...now where did I put my scanning electron microscope to count those pesky viruses?FYI, OP - while I laud your attempt to debunk Bedini and other overunity/free energy/cure cancer with microwave oven parts type nutjobs, you are coming across as only slightly less nutty yourself. Dial back on the stridency and present your case with a bit of humor if you want to be taken more seriously (some unintended irony in that, I realize).

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2017, 01:53:59 pm
content: Quote from: MagicSmoker on July 06, 2017, 11:54:05 amThat doesn't add to the discussion of the topic! Unless you are just spamming to increase the number of your posts!Sorry, this is no Hollywood and I can't write a script for you that is humorous and meets less stringency per your requirement! May I suggest "TV Comedy Central" or vitamin D for depression? ( I hope you get my jokes) And please no more requests of making up funny stories!

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2017, 05:50:14 pm
content: It wouldn't surprise me if they're scams. There are literally thousands of scams like this.I haven't watched the videos. Their length puts me off. Can't you make them a bit more succinct?

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2017, 06:13:49 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on July 06, 2017, 05:50:14 pmYou are right! I am very emotional about the scam, money I invested and batteries I have lost, this is why I can talk non-stop and repeat same thing over again. Tomorrow will be a new video: a new Bedini charger that will be opened up for inspection and scrutiny. I will make it short.

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2017, 07:24:14 pm
content: Funny reading all this... living on the sane side of the Atlantic, I'll admit that I've no idea what a Bedini charger is. Sounds a bit like something to do with an espresso machine.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 09:02:49 am
content: Quote from: TruthExposé on July 06, 2017, 06:13:49 pmGood, please do that.Have you looked into the consumer protection laws in your area? Quite often there's a limit to what companies can get away with. For example, in the UK, products must be fit for purpose and be of a reasonable quality. They can't sell you something expensive and then give you a short term warranty or guarantee. Even if the warranty period has expired, you can still return a defective product, if it's down to poor quality manufacturing or design. Obviously price is taken into account: you can't expect a battery charger, purchased for £1 to last very long, although it still must meet basic safety criteria.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 05:26:14 pm
content: I am blaming the company for claims that are not substantiated and amount to consumer fraud. I stand behind my words, and I want everyone to know that the devices do not live up to claims of rejuvenation and desulphation. I used the chargers for many many years and now I claim what I believe is true based on my purchase over $5000 of Bedini devices, charging the batteries over the many years with these ’the best revolutionary rejuvinators’ and having zero success in keeping not only a battery desulphated but at least alive when using their chargers! They have almost all died by now! This is consumer FRAUD and DECEITFUL!!! I am looking at options now to file to BBB (Better Busines Bureau), consumer fraud protection, and looking into a possibility to file charges against the company that sold me those chargers claiming rejuvenation to like brand new states and condition with a lawyer on behalf of all victims. It takes years to figure out if the chargers really ‘rejuvenate’ anything as claimed! They will have to prove their claims in court if we go there!

author: nugglix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 06:02:58 pm
content: Quote from: Benta on July 06, 2017, 07:24:14 pmI wouldn't say that this side of the Atlantic is more sane.The weirdness is just hidden better -- atm.And people shouting out their "believes" while admitting they lost over 5k on junk are possibly found here also.* I admit I live at the "fun place of the week" and my opinion might be skewed by the things I see.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 06:25:37 pm
content: hint : insteady o a blurry, motion inducing video , that is overexposed with a led flashlight : take a few high resolutoin pictures of top and bottom of circuit boards and post those. the community can pick them apart.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 06:25:53 pm
content: Quote from: nugglix on July 07, 2017, 06:02:58 pmAnd probably those who are still whining about nothing just to make an extra post also aboutnothing, keep on reading this post and not contributing a bit! Ibetthey have not reviewed any documents provided, nor done own research, they just look for confrontation and just say something nasty! It speaks volumes of education and IQ (or lack thereof) of the individual.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 06:28:59 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on July 07, 2017, 06:25:37 pmYou have read my mind, it is in the process!

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 06:43:34 pm
content: Quote from: TruthExposé on July 07, 2017, 06:25:53 pmI don't understand why you're here and why you're so angry at the members of this forum...you'd have to search long and hard to find any member of this forum that actually believes these things aren't a scam, so why are you yelling at us? Redirect your anger where it belongs, at the scammers themselves and the idiots that actually believe in it, you won't find either of those people here.If you want to dissect one of the devices, take high res pictures, and have the members of this forum analyze the board design to explain what it'sactuallydoing andwhyit doesn't work, we can do that. It doesn't do any good to come in here yelling at us about a blatant scam like this though, anybody with even a modicum of electrical training who has looked into Bedini chargers or Tesla chargers or whatever else you want to call it already knows it's a scam, cool your jets.I mean c'mon, this has tin foil hat written all over it, of course it's a scam:http://teslachargers.com/battery-secrets/http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/2014/03/12/radiant-a-suppressed-fast-battery-charger/

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 07:13:20 pm
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on July 07, 2017, 06:43:34 pm1. Why I am here: read introduction, I posted it there. That's your answer you could have looked up yourself if you bothered to see my posts here.2. Don't assume I am angry -- it is your opinion which is reflected through the questions of members who do not contribute to the post and just 'post' to make a number count.3. You are right about cooling the jets, you should address it to those are are firing them at me! You have spent 'some' time here you should know better. Please read the forum rules!4. There are those here who have no idea what Bedini/Tesla charger is, and they think it is like an 'espresso machine' (read previous posts)-- Please don't assume too much about everyone here. Number of posts doesn't show status, or' jet power', it shows how much time you spent online in this particular forum, productively or otherwise. It doesn't show your life experience or social skills in REAL life compared to people with 10 posts.5. If you know everything there is about the topic, please let the people who are not familiar with these chargers get acquainted, do not complicate the matter saying "...you'd have to search long and hard to find any member of this forum that actually believes these things aren't a scam, so why are you yelling at us?..." Did I mention 'espresso machine' above?! You have not read the posts on this thread, and have NOT done your homework!Again! And who is yelling? Misinterpreting the information is bending the truth.6. You are saying: "...anybody with even a modicum of electrical training who has looked into Bedini chargers or Tesla chargers or whatever else you want to call it already knows it's a scam, cool your jets....." . Maybe you looked into the chargers?! Show us then pictures of your chargers! You didn't look, then point us in the directions of this forum who did take a look and we can see pictures.. Support your claim with action, not empty words.

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 07:38:41 pm
content: Quote from: TruthExposé on July 07, 2017, 07:13:20 pmStarting it off with a passive aggressive tone, niceQuote from: TruthExposé on July 07, 2017, 07:13:20 pmI'm not assuming anything, your posting style has made it blatantly obvious. If that's not the kind of message you want to convey, then I suggest taking a step back and looking at the tone of your posts. Passive aggressive language, bold, all caps, an overabundance of exclamation marks, etc. are pretty clear indicators.Quote from: TruthExposé on July 07, 2017, 07:13:20 pmYou are the only one I see in this thread that fits that description.Quote from: TruthExposé on July 07, 2017, 07:13:20 pmSure, plenty of people aren't familiar with them, which means they obviously don't believe in them. I said you'd have to search long and hard to find a member that believes it's not a scam, I stand behind it. Being unfamiliar with a topic doesn't mean you believe it to be true...I know the members here pretty well, I know that if they open up a page about a product and the first thing they see is a picture of Nikola Tesla, the second thing they see is something about a battery industry conspiracy trying to hide the truth, and the third thing they see is a link to book they can buy that reveals all, they'll see it for the scam it is within about 5 seconds.Quote from: TruthExposé on July 07, 2017, 07:13:20 pmOf course I didn't buy them, you don't have to buy something like this to know it's a scam. One look at the teslachargers site makes it perfectly obvious what it is, case closed.

author: nugglix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 07:52:07 pm
content: I think the last posts made clear that a discussion is not possible.The best thing would be to let the thread die, but as it looks now this will not happen.We had a few corner cases like this already.We have no method of calming this kind of people down.I think the moderation will have to take action after the next insults.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 07:57:43 pm
content: Punctuation is there for a reason, it was invented to be used. You can't claim something is scam just by 'looking' at it! You have presented yourself as not open-minded and biased making assumptions with no substantiations. I am glad you closed your case, I hope you will find something else useful to do on other threads of this forum, as this information about scam I prove seems very familiar to you as you claim. Good luck then!

author: IanMacdonald
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 07:58:56 pm
content: My thoughts are that the Bedini charger actually works by desulphating the battery.His tests seem to be with older lead-acid batteries that won't 'hold much charge' -Or more correctly, which have a high internal resistance. This arises mostly due to a nonconducting layer of lead sulphate coating and insulating the plates. There are (genuine) pulse-chargers that will break down this layer and allow the battery to work again, provided it was not too far gone. His motor applies a pulsating current to the battery, albeit a fairly low-grade one whereas the genuine devices use microsecond pulses of relatively large current.Now, if the battery was actually fairly well charged but so sulphated that it won't deliver any current, then it might take less energy to break down the sulphate layer than you would get out of it once you have done so. That could explain his claims of over-unity energy. It would seem that you had gotten energy from nowhere, but that energy actually came from previous charging attempts.One way to prove that would be a test using two new batteries in an identical state of charge, and at an identical temperature. I suspect it would not produce any surprises under those conditions.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 08:01:08 pm
content: Quote from: nugglix on July 07, 2017, 07:52:07 pmI hope Dave himself can intervene and straighten the case before the jury steps in. I guess someone has already posted all 6 Bedini chargers and taken them apart as part of a scam debunking.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 08:14:45 pm
content: Quote from: IanMacdonald on July 07, 2017, 07:58:56 pmThank you for your good input, I am surprised you believe in free energy claimed by Bedini, this is a bold statement compared to mine debunking it when I was overrun by some people here on the forum trying to silence me for telling the truth.I have the last 2 lead-acid batteries which are still alive and being charged (on float) by 2A12-Bedini charger, they are identical and are from the same batch when purchased from a store. How do you suggest to do a test?

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 09:18:10 pm
content: A new update, a new video for you to enjoy. Taking apart 2A12 - one of the Bedini's 'finest chargers', a work-horse like the company claimsP.S. More videos to come.

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2017, 10:16:36 pm
content: You should get those healthy batteries off of there before they too get burned out!My theory is that these are actual desulfators that are either malfuctioning and trying to desulfate healthy batteries (thus frying them over time) or are only meant to be used on bad batteries (meaning the high voltage pulses are always on). The real scam would be all the marketing bullshit, massive overpricing, and failure to recall a faulty product (I bet they shut up all other complaints too). Lead-acid battery chargers and life extenders are a real thing that include automatic testing and desulfating, all though these appear to be far too oversimplified with cheap circuits (real ones have more than two LEDs, unless they are RGB LEDs), and are not always garunteed to fix a bad battery.What's the actual voltage output from a multimeter reading? (careful, some desulfators can put HV pulses of over 900V! Although I doubt these will, better to be safe then exploded) If it was actually supposed to work it would monitor the voltage and current and attempt to desulfate if the current got too low before full charge. Given that it's frying healthy batteries this circuit would either be faulty or poorly designed. You might be able to fix the bigger ones (if they aren't potted as well), the little ones are probably dead though (the cheap Chinese circuits just died, not worth depotting). However, if it's digital, it might be a code fault, in which case you're out of luck either way.EDIT: IRFP260 High power FEThttp://www.futurlec.com/Transistors/IRFP260Npr.shtml

author: shadowless
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2017, 01:49:34 am
content: You have batteries sitting around for years without using them? You do know batteries that are not going to last forever, especially if you leave them to sit the batteries will desulficate to the point of no return. Most batteries don't last for more then 3 years of use. You will be lucky to get 2-3 years of use. Why did you buy so many batteries and chargers and yet you don't have a system to use them for years? If you don't use them they die. When we go get new batteries, we check to make sure they are not sitting too long on the shelf. If you let them sit for years at home they are not 'new' batteries anymore.What type of load did you put on the batteries when you used them? You don't talk about how you use these batteries at all in your video. Do you have any data to show that they were good batteries in the first place.Did you ever check the battery water level? You do need to maintain these batteries regularly. They are not seal batteries. Even seal batteries dried up over time.The videos you post is just complaints with no useful data. Why make such videos? No one would want to deal with a angry person complaining for 1hrs on youtube. Put up some useful datas. When you said the batteries is shorted, put a meter not the battery to show us.Show us that you have taken care of your batteries to establish that lack of maintenance or improper usage is not the cause of the batteries failure.No charger will give you miracles if you don't take care of the batteries to begin with.You talked about the RPX device for more than 1hr, can you please post a teardown of this rpx device that you are "debunking" in your video?You want to debunking something, please do a proper job.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2017, 09:24:07 am
content: Quote from: TruthExposé on July 07, 2017, 08:14:45 pmYou've misunderstood him. He made no statement in support of free energy.Quote from: IanMacdonald on July 07, 2017, 07:58:56 pm

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2017, 03:33:12 pm
content: One quick Google of the name Bedini and you will see just how much "free energy" promotion he's done. His efforts seem to center on this boost-converter-battery-charger:http://www.modvid.com/bedini/

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2017, 05:44:36 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on July 09, 2017, 09:24:07 amYou are close, but this isn't right, quoting others isn't the answer, I always go to the origin of the source and the claim. What Bedini himself said through his "Energy series videos' promoted by teslachargers.com and REMOVED, is that free energy gets inside the system through the Bloch wall of a magnet.I won't go into aether claimed by him, but this would be the answer of 'claimed free energy'.His chargers are based on that energy of 'cold charging'. They do charge cold!I give him that, but that does internal damage that the batteries die prematurely! His system was NOT tested for years for consumer use. Then he claimed miracles and false advertising and went into consumer fraud just to make money thru companies that sold his miracle chargers. I am working an a new video, and will take apart his Universal charger next!Does anyone know how to remove the potting compound in my videos?From my research it would be impossible to safely remove it without damaging the traces and some components.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2017, 05:54:05 pm
content: QuoteDepotting stuff like that is a nasty and iffy process. You can do something else though - x ray the thing. If you do not have access to an industrial x ray, you can get PCBs xrayed at some vets or dentists :-)

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2017, 05:56:53 pm
content: Look, you are in the wrong place here, and nobody is going to take you seriously with this approach.I went back through the thread and you have been editing all of your earlier posts, so we are losing any continuity there might have been in the discussions.Let me put it simply for you. If you take anyone here they would look at the web sites and claims of this guy Bedini and within a few seconds they would realize it doesn't pass the sniff test. It all smells of bullshit. Therefore they would ignore the guy and his claims, and would not invest any time or money there. They certainly wouldn't buy any of his products.So we are sorry you have been misled, and sorry you have spent money unwisely, but investing more time in this stuff is just a waste of energy. I think you need to come to terms with your losses and call it quits.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2017, 06:48:36 pm
content: Quote from: TruthExposé on July 09, 2017, 05:44:36 pmNone of that is relevant to my post. I was correcting your assertion that IanMacdonald believed the Bedini free energy wank.

author: Mosaic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 11, 2017, 05:17:19 pm
content: I appreciate this debunking as I had believed it was hogwash based on my development of true battery regeneration over the last 5 years.Allow me to go slightly OT here and share with the forum my open sourcing of my desulfating, dedendriting, heavy duty pulse engine capable of recovering an automotive battery in a day or so!I have the empirical data for this and I have logged many (hundreds) of battery recoveries.Tracer studies have been done on batteries placed back into vehicles and around 100 have been returned to service with no issues, about 1% returns.The full bore system is going commercial but I am sharing the reliable pulse engine for those who'd like to DIY and 'roll your own' control/automation system.It is effectively the pulse engine that I used to desulfate the batteries 'manually' as proof of concept before doing the extensive controls and failsafes with diagnostics to make a system that requires no thinking, just connect and forget, it does all the thinking (pass/fail/re-rating) and processing for you. With comms. via Iot across the internet it provides bidirectional data for remote control, archiving statistical yields and management reporting.Here is the ongoing open sourcing of the pulse engine started this month.https://hackaday.io/project/25741-desulfator-engine-for-climate-change-mitigationEdit: i'll open a dedicated thread as some folks might want to focus the discussion.

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 08:54:58 pm
content: Hello,NEW video is available for you to watch. This time it is a UNIVERSAL BEDINI CHARGER. Enjoy!

author: Hensingler
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 10:29:06 pm
content: Guess who loves Bedini chargers?Yep Batteriser's biggest fan.Rife machines as wellMaybe spending so much time with one strapped to his ankles is what drove him completely insane?

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 11:20:32 pm
content: Sketchy, I would beware of that device. It would be fine for NiCads and lead-acids, but it better have overcharge protection for metal hydrides. It's definately digital, as a PIC marked chip is a microprocessor. Can't find anything yet on the others, but given that those two transistor like packages (TO-220) are so close to the chips with capacitors behind them, they might be power regulators for the chips. Given the second transformer I'm guessing it's a variable switching supply.but then again why are there so many taps on the main transformer? Is it multi-phase output, or is it just a few ranges of input for the main switching regulator?EDIT: They aren't all actually connected, my mistake.EDIT: I can see why they need that giant heatsink. 240V×.75A=180W input, 12V×10A=120W output, they are pissing away60 WATTSas heat with their POS converter!I could make something more efficient than that with tubes!

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2017, 11:50:31 pm
content: MYSTERY SOLVED: They are overvolting your batteries! 15V is too high! It should be max 14V with 13.5 to 13.8V nominal! Whether those devices are meant to desulfate or not, they are overcharging your batteries which is shortening their life!

author: ConKbot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2017, 01:33:38 am
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on July 14, 2017, 11:50:31 pmYes and no. Yes, charging to over 14v for an extended period of time will cook a battery. No, it's not a limit that should never be exceeded. Step 1 is to read the datasheet or data plate on the battery, there is too many plate compositions, pure lead, antimony or calcium added, etc. to make a general statement that covers all battery types, So a suggested float and cyclic charge voltage printed on the battery is a good bet. But for a generalization with many weasel words, 13.6-14.0v is a typical float voltage for continuous/standby charging. No overcharging at all, but if you only ever charge to 13.8, you're going to have sulfation build up as there is no overcharging (not sure if "overpotential" would be a better word here?) To deal with the sulfation. A 14.0-14.5v (depending on the plate material, read the datasheet/dataplate! ) as used on a cyclic charge will take care of normal very mild sulfation formed during use (or while sitting not fully charged for a short period of time), and to fully top off the battery. A 15v charge is more aggressive overcharging, will take care of more sulfation than a 14.5v charge. The overcharging will make the cells gas, and it also equalizes a battery by letting undercharged cells get a chance to take a full charge. This should only be done every few months on cells that are refillable, or have a recombination catalyst. I.e. Some of the hawker cyclon cylindrical cells that are sealed and can take significant pressure. But not done on AGM unless the manufacturer reccomends it, and pretty much never on gel cells.You have to use the right tool for the job. A 15v battery equalizing/desulfating charger isn't for daily use. A battery tender meant to live on a battery, and just float it at 13.8v isn't for charging a battery subject to cyclic use and storage.The problem is that lead acid is very easy to charge, very hard to charge well. Plus given the typical failure mode is fairly safe if overcharging isn't severe, chargers are usually pretty far from the "very well" area.I've seen an automotive starter battery last 9 years (replaced the car, not the battery! ) because GM (shockingly! ) made the alternator charge the battery to 14.5v after starting, and then float at 13.8v afterwards, so it wasn't cooking the battery the entire time the engine was on.Xantrex even sells alternator regulators that do the same thing to convert the alternator from a battery cooker to a proper charger.Know your tools and when to use them, and everything is happy

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2017, 03:11:15 am
content: He's been cooking these batteries at 15V CONTINUOUSLY for YEARS, that's why they were destroyed. So my prediction was correct that those devices are just desulfators only or faulty auto-desulfators. Yes, they should only pulse at 15V every once in a while, but either they don't intentionally and the sellers just are dumb and lie about their proper use, or they are broken and stuck on for some reason (likely due to terrible quality parts).So confirmed, these devices attempt to desulfate already working batteries and destroy them. I bet they are nothing but a 15V power supply, not even a proper 555 desulfator circuit, but as we know there are fake 555s out there so they could have just all shorted out.

author: IanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2017, 03:31:08 am
content: The question is, why would someone buy a device like this and attach it to their batteries?

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2017, 08:43:17 pm
content: Here is a video #4 for those of you who couldn't find it where I expose the inside of the so called "best Bedini/Tesla rejuvenators' in the world sold to me by teslachargers.com and built by Bedini himself (the guru of so called 'free energy'. Scam of big proportions. Enjoy!

author: TruthExposé
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 03, 2017, 04:56:15 pm
content: Hello again,Here is a video where I take apart 10A12 charger (10 Amps 12 volts) made by famous John Bedini himself of Teslachargers/ Energenx companies. Some of you were asking me of this, so here it is. Enjoy the 'finest art' of Tesla chargers:

author: shadowless
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 05, 2018, 02:21:00 pm
content: Wow seems like you bought a lot of stuff that does not work lol. Are you throwing them out? I would like to take them apart and take a look if you are dumping them. Save me a dumpster dive.