Youtube strikes Eli the Computer Guy - Is he over-reacting? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Cliff Matthews
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 04:29:01 pm
content: He gabs a lot and at times rambles a bit, but YT's denial to appeal something he uploaded over 2 years ago seems harsh.** SPOILER ALERT ** Lots of F-bomb's dropped in this one (even for Eli's standards)

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 04:55:32 pm
content: He already has a follow-up.http://youtu.be/8aGgObeJm5A

author: Cliff Matthews
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 05:26:51 pm
content: Thanks, I unsubscribed back when Eli started ranting more. I thought he looked so close to quitting, that I had already written him off as someone going down without a fight. So when I saw it, it was an unsurprising goodbye. Shucks, I missed it!When producers rant depressingly about YT policies, it's not quitting.. Thatisthe fight (make it look like goodbye, and the viewers will fight for you, ha!).

author: _Andrew_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 05:36:24 pm
content: There seems to be something going on with youtube at the moment with how copyright infringement is detected and Eli is not alown. There has been a flourish of content producers suffering with the same problems with strikes making there discontentment to be known. Funnily enough after a bit of drama the strike gets lifted with no explication as why the strike was imposed in the first place, and the content producers account returned to good standing.Oddly about a month ago I got a strike on a video on my channel that was uploaded 5 years ago and not publicity viewable. I received no notification of the strike and only found out about it when I was doing a bit of house keeping and uploading a video. Then before I had a chance to look in to how to resolve the strike the strike magically disappeared.I believe that youtube is opperating some sort of automatic filtering to detect service infringement that dishes out strikes on a ridged criteria with no interpretation. So much like a blunt object being welded about. Then content producers getting cought up in a guilty until proved innocent, and by the way if you loose your automated appeal you loose the right to appeal altogether.There is also the problem and this is not just with youtube that when you need to get in touch with a human to discuss the problem and to try to resolve it there is no method or apparent way to contact them. Hence people like Eli resorting to a rant video or two....three ect.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 08:20:06 pm
content: Youtube is using audio recognition in audio to detect infringing music for years. Maybe they are experimenting with the concept on video?

author: HAL-42b
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 08:49:56 pm
content: Content creators should diversify their delivery platforms. Tying your ass to YouTube and "Alphabet" is not good for you.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 09:13:49 pm
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on February 17, 2016, 04:55:32 pmMartin Lorton had to do a similar "If you don't like the content, then unsubscribe video".

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 09:43:21 pm
content: Quote from: Cliff Matthews on February 17, 2016, 04:29:01 pmIt's the only way he could react.

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 09:53:51 pm
content: I had to fill out a form with YouTube a few years ago when I uploaded a video I took at my model railroad club. It's MY train, pushing MY iPhone around, in a specially made car. The only sound is the sound of my locomotive pushing the car. There are no commercial advertisements that show up in the background. I added some text captions to mention what the scene was supposed to represent using Windows Movie Maker. I had to certify to YouTube that this was not a copyright infringing video or some other nonsense. 2 other videos shot the same way with the same iPhone, no issues, they just went live and no questions asked.No wonder a rant was in order, the ridiculousness of the way things have been since moronic politicians passed the DMCA is off the charts. Fair Use is practically impossible any more with some of these groups. It's not necessarily YouTube's fault though, if they didn't just act first when these so-called complaints come in, they could face being sued out of existence Might be an interesting challenge, to see if Google would back down or fight.

author: _Andrew_
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2016, 11:17:03 pm
content: A lot of the problem seems to be with youtube's using a wrecking ball to open a peanut.Copyright can have traps all over the place. A classic example would be someone filming there pet doing somthing funny and uploading it. Meanwhile they completely missed that the radio was on in the background and the microphone not only picked up the commotion there pet was making and there commentary giggles ect, it also happened to pick up some of the audio from the radio braudcast. Even though the audio cought from the radio was compleat accident the penalties seem far to extreme.How to convince youtube to take a more gentile approach such as:An upload gets flagged and temporary quarantined and a detailed notification issued to the uploader informing them of the flag and the reasoning for it. Meanwhile the rest of there channel coperation ontent remains unaffected.The uploader gets the opportunity to challenge the flag on the affected upload.If there successful in there challenge the video gets released from quarantine and reinstated, all's good.If there unsuccessful and the flag remains standing then they should have the opertunity to either alter the content to remove / blot out the material pertaining to the flag, obtain a licence for the flagged content or withdraw the video. If they do nothing then the video sits in quarantine untill a maximum period is reached at which point it is automatically removed.If an uploader persistently uploads videos that are correctly flagged with in a given time frame (for example say 10 videos correctly flagged in 6 months) Then the stricter penalties would come in.Youtube would be upholding there responsibility regarding rightsProducers of content won't be hit so hard for incorrect flags or inadvertent content mistakes.For those uploaders who are constantly flouting rights pertaining to others then get hit with the penalties

author: strangersound
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2016, 05:08:54 am
content: Quote from: HAL-42b on February 17, 2016, 08:49:56 pmI totally agree, but it's hard when YouTube has become the defacto standard. Vimeo provides a quality service that even seems way more discerning when it comes to judging fair use, and copyright type issues, but they just don't have the audience, traffic, and obvious monopoly that YouTube does. It's the same with Facebook. We really need competition with those clowns, but where can you go when everybody is so entrenched in one place?

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2016, 06:16:00 am
content: Quote from: HAL-42b on February 17, 2016, 08:49:56 pmRelying on YouTube only is a high risk though EEVBlog seems be diversified:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/contests/big-eevblog-giveaway-coming-up/msg861238/#msg861238

author: HAL-42b
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2016, 06:21:02 am
content: Quote from: strangersound on February 18, 2016, 05:08:54 amYou don't have to go to one single place. You keep uploading to YT but also open accounts on other providers and upload there also. You announce in the video that same videos are also available on X Y and Z.This way when YT decides to throw a tantrum your audience knows where to find you.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2016, 06:28:45 am
content: Quote from: zapta on February 18, 2016, 06:16:00 amYes. I accidentally stumbled uponCode:http:// [url=http://www.eevblog]www.eevblog .org/video/where all the video's are accessible trough webdav. You get there by clicking "video's" on the website.I would estimate it would cost a fortune at hosting if everyone watches the video's through here. So don't do that.But at least there is a backup.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 18, 2016, 09:14:06 am
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on February 18, 2016, 06:28:45 amThat is not a backup, it's the 640x360 low resolution podcast version.Backup is on Vimeo.

author: Howardlong
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2016, 09:38:51 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on February 18, 2016, 09:14:06 amI am assuming that you can't directly monetise the download or the Podcast, or am I mistaken?Sometimes I download the file for offline watching when travelling, it's certainly not uncommon, and I appreciate that option. It seems Youtube haven't figured out a way to allow offline viewing yet, or at least make it generally available. I'm aware of screen scrapers that you can use but I don't consider it worth the hassle.