Sad Aussie50 News - Page 1
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author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 01:45:02 pm
content: Sad news.I just heard from another big fellow Youtuber that Ed Jones, Aussie50 on Youtube, took his own life yesterday. He was 33.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 01:55:48 pm
content: Sorry to hear that Dave.Sadness fills the skies.

author: Treehouseman
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 01:59:43 pm
content: Unfortunately I can confirm the news, I'm part of a group of people he would talk with daily.

author: OwO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 02:10:17 pm
content: 🤔

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 02:35:29 pm
content: Confirmed by one his personal local friends and Youtube collaborators.And this is the last post of his on Facebook:

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 02:59:35 pm
content: Quote from: Treehouseman on May 29, 2019, 01:59:43 pmThanks.Were there any indications previously?

author: Treehouseman
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 03:14:02 pm
content: I don't recall anything that stood out recently.

author: Arnþór
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 03:46:42 pm
content: That sucks.. I watched most of his videos, even the ones where he basically had a potatocam.He would talk about in his more recent videos that he was struggling with his mental health, sad to see that the aussie healthcare system couldn't save him.

author: Deodand2014
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 03:49:43 pm
content: So sorry to read this. I'd watched quite a few of his videos and this just comes as completely unexpected.

author: orion242
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 03:59:33 pm
content: Ditto. Sad to hear.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 11:17:05 pm
content: Quote from: Arnþór on May 29, 2019, 03:46:42 pmWe spend record amounts on mental health, about $9B a year. It was the #1 election priority a few years back. So I'm sure it wasn't a lack of resources available.I don't know if he was seeking help, but you do have to want to seek help in first place unfortunately.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 29, 2019, 11:49:40 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 29, 2019, 11:17:05 pmDefinitely sad news and sincere condolences to his family, friends and followers.

author: Homer J Simpson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 12:17:38 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 29, 2019, 02:35:29 pmThat's disturbing. Have had an odd feeling all day after reading his comment.Watched one of his videos yesterday.R.I.P.Condolences to his friends and family.-K

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 12:24:08 am
content: Oh that sucks, he always seemed like the kind of dude I'd enjoy having a jack & coke with and either building or taking something apart. Seemed like a nice guy, guess you never know what's going on in someone else's head.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 12:28:23 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 29, 2019, 11:17:05 pmMental health is a worthy expenditure, but the sad fact is you can't just get in there and repair a broken mind the way you can fix a piece of equipment or patch up an injury to other parts of the body. Some people are just wired wrong, sometimes medication can push things back into balance, sometimes counseling can help a person learn to deal with their demons but in many cases there's no true fix, it's just a matter of helping people find ways to cope. Having never dealt with that sort of issue myself I don't think I'll ever fully understand what it feels like but I've known enough other people struggling with mental health issues to be pretty confident that the problems never fully go away.

author: AlfBaz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 01:05:26 am
content: Up until a few years ago I had no idea what it meant to be suffering depression. I always thought it was just when you were sad or anxious or both.Actual depression is much worse in that it's not so much you cant put your finger on the underlying cause but more the inescapable feeling of darkness.Yes that old cliche is easy to understand in the verbal sense but when you experience it it's another matter altogether.Fortunately for me it was short lived. Medically it was put down to a severe vitamin D deficiency. I certainly never entertained the thought of taking my own life but I cant imagine living with that disease for a long period of time.The lack of awareness of this diseases and how to spot it in another is problematic.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 01:07:20 am
content: Quote from: james_s on May 30, 2019, 12:28:23 amSame here, I have no real ability to understand.For sure I've had reason to be depressed in my life for various things but can't say I've ever felt that way in the slightest. Let alone something even remotely close to make me contemplate taking my own life.Same with other things like headaches and migranes, never had one in my entire life and find it impossible to relate to the countless people that do.

author: floobydust
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 01:18:20 am
content: It's a terrible waste. My condolences to his family and friends for the great loss.(suicidal) people avoid the healthcare system because it literally freaks out and throws you in the looney bin and loads you up on meds. Nobody in healthcare wants to be seen as liable for the person taking their own life, so they just quench the whole thing. There is no discussion really permitted. It seems to be why nobody reaches out.I know this from a friend that is a therapist and helps people with their life ending due to health issues. We have interesting discussions because he deals with real ugly stuff.One client phones him "yeah, I'm on the bridge, looking down". What would you do?At this point a healthcare professional is supposed to call the ambulance/police/fire dept. and it's an emergency.My friend's approach was to talk to him and ensure he's ready to jump, all his affairs are in order, he's done his last chores, last goodbyes etc.He doesn't shutdown the part of a client that is saying 'end it', because you can't work on it then.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 01:32:27 am
content: Actual suicide or unfortunate accident? Either way,R.I.P.That said, having watched a few of his videos, he did seem to have a rather strong attraction to destroying things for fun...What's he burning in that last post...?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 02:18:34 am
content: Quote from: amyk on May 30, 2019, 01:32:27 amHe was found in his car. I have no details other than that, but seems fairly obvious what happened. Also, recent posts on Facebook in the days leading up point toward this with hindsight.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 02:19:33 am
content: Quote from: amyk on May 30, 2019, 01:32:27 amLooks like the (in)famous washing machine. Probably a symbolic final gesture.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 02:47:59 am
content: Oh my, so sad to hear.Hate to see people take their own life, but depression is a horrible thing. I never understood why people do it until I went through it myself. I got depression last year, I was able to fight it, but I can't imagine how it must be for those who have it more severely. You hit a point where you just give up all hope and just want it to end. It's not just being sad but also having zero motivation to do anything. Nothing makes you happy even though you know it should. It's a really dark horrible place to be. You also keep getting dark thoughts. Like I kept being sad thinking about my parents dying, or me growing old in an old age home and not having any family left, or even thinking of nostalgia like "good old days" as a kid hanging out in parks that don't exist anymore, etc. You don't even need anything bad happening in your life to be in that state but anything bad, or even thoughts of bad things happening just make it worse.In my case I think it was seasonal affective disorder. As I'm getting older I think lack of light is just affecting me more. Now I'm a bit more cautious to try to get outside when I can even in winter. There's a short window of opportunity in a given day where there is natural light, so if I'm not stuck inside at work, I go outside for a walk.

author: steve30
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 04:05:05 am
content: As someone who spent quite a few years feeling suicidal, he has my empathy. These things can be quite difficult to deal with.I rather enjoyed Aussie50's videos on photocopiers. I also enjoyed the ATM teardowns.

author: ve2mrx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 05:58:23 am
content: As a sufferer of depression right now, I do understand very much how he could feel. I had my share of nights, curled up in my bed struggling not to act on those life-ending thoughts going through my mind.The rest of the time, you feel like you are alone, in a boat, lost on a water planet. There's nowhere to go. Nobody really needs you. You are in pain but nobody sees it, you 'look' ok. But it hurts. So many things bring back this pain!When you manage to feel a bit better and keep your mind busy, for a bit of time the bubble you create brings you relief. Until some image, sound, smell or memory throws you back in your pain. You try to re-assess your situation and life-ending ideas come back. It's the roller-coaster from Hell!There is no quick cure. As far as I know, it's a long winding road to re-learn how to live.Think of it like reprogramming a critical machine, while it's being used, without knowing it's current source code nor knowing what causes it to malfunction.And before *something* crashes it.Me? I have support. But I still haven't answered the essential question about wanting to live. It's up in the air. I'm still re-evaluating my past, present and potential future. At least, I'm open opinions and arguments. I'm still searching for the answer.Many do find it sad when someone ends their life. It is! But remember that they found the peace they couldn't find in their lives.Why not ask for help? Why not talk openly about it? Maybe that in the human mind, showing your vulnerability is not a good idea? Animals don't do it! Are we so different?So we hide it to others...Martin

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 07:03:49 am
content: Very sad news, I watched many of his videos, and quite enjoyed them.He will be missed.It is worth noting that, in the UK at least, the biggest killer of men (under 45 years of age) is not cancer, heart disease, road accidents, but suicide.Speak to a friend if they seem down or out. Just human contact can be a little help. Depression is an awful, awful disease. I have been near it myself, but managed to avoid the worst of it.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 07:15:05 am
content: There have been two suicides in the news here recently that have made me think. One was a teenage boy bullied in school. The other was a woman who worked in a factory. Five years ago she had recorded a video having sex. Soon after she married and had children. It seems now that video was put in circulation by the man who took it and pretty much everybody in the factory (2500 people) has seen it. People who did not know exactly who she was would walk by her work place to confirm it was her. The pressure got to be more than she could bear and she took her life.Both cases are cases of people being so sorry after it happens but not caring and even provoking it before it happens. In both cases some people might be strong enough to face the situation but these two people did not have that strength in them.Then we also have the infamoustext girl suicideincident.Depression probably has two components, one internal and one external. Some people have more proclivity to depression naturally and some cases can be very bad. At the same time some people who have a weaker proclivity may find it worsened by external factors and in these cases a good social network and support are essential.The modern world is leading individuals to be more isolated and people to not care or interact and this aggravates mental health issues.In less affluent societies people are forced to depend on those around them and interact but that is going away and mental health issues are getting worse. A healthy and satisfying social life is essential for mental health.

author: ve2mrx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 07:53:45 am
content: Quote from: soldar on May 30, 2019, 07:15:05 amI tend to agree with you. I believe that many times, depression can be a symptom of a deeper, unresolved issue. The person's environment is often one factor in the mix.Having a good social network can help "spread the load" and avoid the worst, unfortunately not everyone has one. Or want to tell how they feel to that social network.At least, depression is way better understood now than in the '90s, even if there are still mysteries.Hopefully one day everyone will be able to address their unresolved mental health issues before they grow too big. I wish the resources where available to absolutely everyone!Until then, I offer a big hug to everyone suffering in silence.Martin

author: vk3ase
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 08:54:45 am
content: I am quite devastated, he seemed like a fun guy and so talented and knowledgeable for some one of that age. I did a send up of his channel 5 years ago on my channel and he saw it and liked it. Had no idea of his mental state and am not a Facebook person so only new of him via YouTube. Only 33, half my age, what I would give to be 33 again. Hope his channel stays up for ever in memory to him and the enjoyment and inspiration it gave to millions.

author: station240
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:13:09 am
content: It's been a really cold, windy and wet week here in Adelaide, 99% change Melbourne (where Ed is) is the same.I'm not going out in this weather, I'd expect Ed was doing the same.Being stuck alone in a house, with noisy weather outside, with only Youtube for company, yeah not a good time.RIP Edward aka Aussie50 aka Ed Systems.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:18:28 am
content: Quote from: soldar on May 30, 2019, 07:15:05 amUnfortunately modern society and the new "victim culture" is not helping here. No one is taught "stick and stones" any more, kids right up into and including university and beyond are literally taught to think of themselves as a victim. That can't help those prone to depression etc.

author: windsmurf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:30:57 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2019, 09:18:28 amIn your opinion, at what point should "victims" be entitled to feel victimized? Should work-place harrassment (or school bullying/harrassment) victims be ingnored? They just failed to "suck it up?"

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:47:59 am
content: Quote from: windsmurf on May 30, 2019, 09:30:57 amIt's not about normalizing or approving harassment, it's about making it harder for it to work and affect people.The concept of an asshole isn't going away. It's been a constant since before the concept of a human existed on this earth. What Dave is talking about is how instead of teaching children to handle criticism and harassment on their feet,they're being taught to act helpless and have some form of authority step in and fight their battles for them.When you isolate and trap people with their problems, and teach them that there is no way out but to cry and burn, that's when people end up not being able to take their own life into their own hands, and end up suffering with problems they don't think they are able to fix.We don't know what was going on in Ed's mind, and it's sometimes the most stable, and outwardly calm people who have the biggest and most horrific problems that they can only internalize. I can see where this discussion might go,and all I wish to ask is instead of turning this into another SJW modern politics shitfest, which is perfectly acceptable in almost every thread but this one, keep this to talking and debating about how people with issues can help deal with them.This is the first I've heard of Aussie50, but it doesn't matter, any loss, especially when it's within a close community, is tragic, and an opportunity to learn and prevent it from happening to someone else.

author: GlennSprigg
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 11:24:23 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2019, 01:07:20 amUnfortunately, IDOhave the ability to understand...So I at least have the ability to grasp it.Firstly, 'Men' in general, seem to bottle things up so not to look 'weak', and try to go italone!....After massive spinal injuries years ago, years of surgery, loss of career, loss of 'manhood' includingno longer feeling like a 'real' Father, Provider, Husband, Home-Builder, & final loss of marriage........ithadcrossed my mind...... but I found strength (?)somewhere/somehowto not take that leap.My Doctor once asked me if I have really considered it. My answer after at least 1/2 minute, was...."Not really TRIED, but I've been to a place and time in my head, where I can now TRULY see whypeople that do it... do it!"That was quite a long time ago now, and although I still suffer badly, I have a totally different lifenow... (though now with all past 'worldly' possessions gone), with a lovely Lady who loves me,(and visa-versa!), and are at peace now, with the gardens we build, and the music we love so much.WE need a 'real' friend at times like that, even if it is just an EAR !

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 11:49:43 am
content: Quote from: windsmurf on May 30, 2019, 09:30:57 amI can see the point that there are politics which play with making people feels victims and what is called "politics of grievances" and I am totally opposed to those BUT those are group issues.Individuals in civilized society should know that society does not accept or condone abuse and will prevent it and punish it and will protect individuals from abuse. That is the whole basis of living in a civilized society.It makes no sense to say to someone who is feeling so bad that they would kill themselves "just toughen up, get a thicker skin". That's what they were told, nobody helped them, and that's why they ended their lives. You tell a teenager who is being abused in school to toughen up and you get a suicide or the kid goes and shoots up the school. And then we all say it was wrong and it was bad.People, and especially young people, need social acceptance, they need to feel needed and loved and protected.If someone is causing me pain and those in authority tell me to toughen up I'd say, OK, I have toughened up and now here I come as a psycho with an AK47.Depression can be a spiral that gets worse because people do not want to spend time with those who are not in a gay mood. Those with depression tend to isolate themselves and others will avoid them which just leads to an ever worsening spiral. Human social contact is essential for mental well-being.Another recent incident in Spain: A kid was being bullied by his peers. He complained to his family and teachers and not much was done, if anything. The bullies got worse and worse and one day after school they beat him up so badly he lost an eye and was left half dead. Is that soon enough to consider yourself a victim? Or should he wait a bit more?

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 11:57:17 am
content: Can we not derail this thread with discussion of 'victim culture etc please?It takes away from the event which the thread was started for and feeds into the 'man up, get over it' culture which makes it harder for people with MH problems to seek help.

author: frozenfrogz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 12:00:34 pm
content: As someone who has suffered from several severe depressive episodes I would like to answer some questions.There is a difference between someone being a bit off / in a bad mood for a day or two and a clinical depression. The latter brings with it some crazy consequences. A depression emanates itself by changed chemistry in the brain. This can be induced by various things like constant stress (not only emotional stress but also from heavy workload, physical exhaustion etc.). Once the brain is off balance, everything goes downhill.Running into a depression is usually something that takes some time and precursors. However, if there is no one that can see the warning signs, this can go one for a long time until the depression gets so severe, that the depressive person only feels suffering and the only "solution" that person can see is to end the suffering once and for all. One of the side effects is, that you try to act normal and downplay what is actually going on inside of you. It is pretty easy to act normal - actually much easier than telling someone how you actually feel. You might want to call it sociopathic behaviour. Once the depression is in charge of you, you need a lot of will power to be able to fight back (see the problem?).As a depressive person the first step is to get to a point where you see for yourself, that something is not right and that you need to do something about it. Since psychological illnesses are somewhat frowned upon by society, this is quite a task.If you are lucky enough to get through it, work hard and get to know your body, what signs there are to take note of, what things to change in your life to deal with certain situations that would usually throw you off again, that does not mean you are healed. It is a bit like alcoholism, because the changed chemistry in your brain leaves behind a lot of casualties. As with every severe illness there are ups and downs along the way, but afterwards things are not the same.In my case, I always had a very good memory and could focus on complex things without problems. After having dealt with a heavy depression (10 years ago), I changed a lot of things in my life but occasionally come to a point where I need to be careful to not fall into a deep hole again. The good thing is, that I learned how to deal with that for the most part. However, my memory is pretty bad now and it uses up a lot of energy for me to focus on certain things. Especially in an environment with a lot of people, I often can not follow a conversation. That has never been an issue before, but illustrates that a depressive episode takes its toll on the brain.Please feel free to ask me anything regarding how I felt or what it was like.To conclude: The main problem of a depression is, that the change of state of a person can be very gradually and no one surrounding that person will notice (unless someone in the close surrounding has already dealt with a depression).Kind regardsFrederik

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 12:47:55 pm
content: Quote from: frozenfrogz on May 30, 2019, 12:00:34 pmIt is like circling inside a big funnel. At first it feels almost flat and you could easily pull out. It's not too bad but you are slowly moving in. Over time you are getting closer and closer but it takes much more effort to move out. Apparently small things can easily knock you up or down. A better job, finding love in a relationship, etc. can push you up the slope and have an effect disproportionate to their strict importance. Similarly, something not so important at first sight can have devastating consequences and send you straight down into the hole.People sometimes have trouble understanding why something apparently of little importance can be devastating to someone who is at a weak moment in their life.Some years ago I heard about a young Australian woman who had traveled to America and was detained, mistreated, abused, and sent back to Australia and she was absolutely traumatized by the event.A friend of mine commented that he didn't see what was the big deal. Thousands of Mexicans go through that experience without major trauma and will try again.Well, yes, many are not traumatized but some will be. And if you are a young woman who has led a relatively sheltered and protected life it can be traumatizing to be mistreated by the authorities who are supposed to protect you.We are all different and things affect us differently.

author: willhoskings
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 12:55:57 pm
content: I am going to miss him sad to see him go rip Ed you will be missed

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 01:13:40 pm
content: Quote from: Ampera on May 30, 2019, 09:47:59 amI'm sure many people are / have been concerned over Photonic Induction (Andy), who has talked about suicide in a video, even having written a note and pre-recorded a video IIRC. Many people were greatly concerned when he disappeared. I reached out to him and thankfully his family problems seem resolved and he seems overly happy with life nowI'm not sure what else people (i.e. us, the viewers) could have done in that situation? He always had plenty of positive comments from fans.

author: Deodand2014
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 01:36:27 pm
content: From BigCliveLive

author: bloguetronica
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 02:58:32 pm
content: It is sad new indeed. Sad are also some of the comments, but I read them as a by-product of out dehumanized society. There are no people that are wired wrong, as well as there is no health system to make it right, even with compulsory anti-depression diagnostics and medication (that would be Orwellian).Unfortunately, nobody mentioned what causes the depression, and ultimately, suicide. I'll give you a hint: external factors (the way our society is wired wrongly and in a twisted way is the elephant in the room). And these pernicious factors are getting more prevalent by the day in this insane world. I'm talking by experience, by the way.Lets name those factors:- Deranged societal movements that cause unjust pressure;- Incompetent managers that think stress is a good thing;- The self-serving attitude of many people;- And the list goes on...Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 02:59:18 pm
content: Another sad bullying suicide case that made headlines :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Amanda_ToddI think many people are just not aware of the emotional damage they can do while many other people are plain psychopaths that care nothing about others.On a lighter note, I have a friend and we often tease each other mutually about our mental instabilities and depression tendencies and we do the Bob Newhart routine:https://youtu.be/4BjKS1-vjPs?t=1

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 03:26:12 pm
content: When I feel low or lonely there is a poem in Spanish which always chokes me up. It is a poem written by José Agustín Goytisolo and titled "Palabras para Julia", "Words for Julia" and dedicated to his child daughter at the time. Here is my translation into English:Words for JuliaJosé Agustín GoytisoloYou cannot turn backbecause life already pushes youlike a never-ending howl.My daughter 'tis better to livewith the happiness of mankindthan to cry before the blind wall.You will feel cornered,you will feel lost or lonely,maybe you'll wish you hadn't been born.I know very well they will tell youthat there is no object to life,that it is an unfortunate affair.Then always rememberwhat I wrote one daythinking of you as I am now thinking.A man alone, a woman,Taken like that, one by one,are like dust, are nothing.But when I talk to youwhen I write these words for youI also think of other people.Your destiny is in others,your future is your own life,your dignity that of everybody.Others expect you to hang on,the help of your happiness,your song among their songs.Then always rememberwhat I wrote one daythinking of you as I am now thinking.Never give up or haltby the road, never sayI can't take it and here I'll remain.Life is beautiful you will seehow, in spite of everything,you'll have love, you'll have friends.For the rest there is no choiceand this world as it iswill be all you have.Forgive me, I do not knowwhat else to say but understandI am still on my way.And always, always, rememberwhat I wrote one daythinking of you, like I am now thinking.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 04:14:48 pm
content: Quote from: bloguetronica on May 30, 2019, 02:58:32 pmDepression can be caused entirely by internal causes unrelated to outside causes. Outside factors can make it worse but some people cope well with pressure and are not subject to depression while other people will suffer from depression without apparent cause. And a whole range in between.Depression also runs in families which shows there is a genetic component to it.Ernest Hemingway did ithttps://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/why-ernest-hemingway-committed-suicide/With 7 suicides in her family, Mariel Hemingway declares war on depressionhttps://www.miamiherald.com/living/health-fitness/article91794397.html

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 04:18:44 pm
content: Do we even know if he had depression? While suicide and depression tend to come together, it's not really a requirement. There's so many other factors and issues that could have been at play here. Just thinking.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 04:21:41 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2019, 01:13:40 pmKnowing my own mental and life conditions, that's actually glad to hear. I find myself, within an attempt to deal with my problems, surrounding myself with the consequences of their failure (it's my own damned way to do things I guess), and to see success and joy from people I like always helps me out. Good to hear that he's doing better, I think everyone was getting a bit worried there.

author: MadTux
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 07:48:02 pm
content: Quote from: Ampera on May 30, 2019, 04:18:44 pmI was probably thinking about something similar. You can't IMO call it depression if you realize that our current existence is kind of pointless while earth is slowly killed by our CO2 emission. We have more or less everything, produce insane amounts of stuff, while lots of usable equipment ends up in junk/scrap yard.If you have watched Aussie50 scrapyard videos, I think he came to similar conclusions. And I wouldn't call it depression, it's more like the realization of our ultimate fate if we continue this way instead of pursuing some more meaningful goals such as getting rid of fossil fuel dependency. Or putting some permanent settlement on moon/mars. At least more meaningful as our current waste capitalism.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 08:07:07 pm
content: For those struggling to comprehend -- this may provide some insight. It is long-form and philosophical (as the name suggests), and gets dark (warning). It's also an extremely personal and honest discussion of it:What's not discussed here, but I think is interesting is, he's been moving towards an acting career. When you have a condition like this, you are forced to keep going and act it out. That's both good and bad. Harnessing it for good, seems like a nice way to cope.Just remember, you're not alone. It's hard, and we understand.Tim

author: Amper
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 08:14:57 pm
content: Im not sure if this is the right place or if im overreacting a bit but i couldnt keep it to myself, i hope dave will read this or someone else who has the same power as him.Most of you guys will know that cody has recently had difficult depressed times as well and from my own experience i can tell what he is going through. Im not sure if cody knows about this situation but maybe it would be a good idea to show it to him so he can see its no valid option. Both guys seem to be very similar mindset and situation wise and it would be horrible to loose another one to the same issue.

author: bloguetronica
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 08:38:27 pm
content: Quote from: Amper on May 30, 2019, 08:14:57 pmCody from Cody's Lab? Crap. Anyway, I'm learning now that YouTube is taking its toll on him. Lets hope for the best.Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 08:40:36 pm
content: Quote from: MadTux on May 30, 2019, 07:48:02 pmIf you look at things that way it's all ultimately pointless. We are all mortal, we will all die, all nations that currently exist will at some point fall, eventually the human race will go extinct, this is just a fact. The earth will live on long after the extinction of humans as our entire history unfolds in the blink of an eye on a geological scale. In all likelihood some other life form will reign supreme for a while after we are long gone and then something else after that. No sense in worrying about that, just enjoy it for the brief time you are here.I do wish there was a way for people who no longer want to live to give their lifetime to me. I'm rather enjoying myself and I know I will not live long enough to finish even half the projects I want to do.

author: Amper
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 08:52:49 pm
content: Yes, that cody. Just to me it seems obvious whats going on inside of him, besides his girlfriend leaving him, beeing kicked out of university and having not to terribly good of a connection to his family. He definetly has more than enough supporters on youtube encouraging him but i think it may be a good thing to talk to him from a perspective of the recent events here. It may give it some more gravity and help preventing him from doing something stupid.

author: JamesAllen
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:03:34 pm
content: I've just watched BigClive's video on Aussie50.I didn't watch Aussie50's videos myself but hearing from Clive that someone has taken their life due to poor mental health really does pull on the heartstrings.I could hear Clive's voice was breaking up in the video. It must have been difficult to make that videoI suppose one positive is the Engineering community as a whole is talking about mental health and hopefully this will give more people confidence to talk about it.ThanksJames

author: bloguetronica
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:06:38 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on May 30, 2019, 08:40:36 pmWell, that kind of thinking (except for the last paragraph - the lifetime "accounting" - which I don't agree with) has occurred to me, when I didn't believed in God, way back when. However, I no longer see my existence as futile, as I now do a life more at the service of others (sometimes to a great personal expense - blogging about electronics actually costs money!!!) and I enjoy what I do. I'm currently unemployed now, but I take it as a blessing.On another note, I really prefer where I'm now to the shit job at Synopsys working for an ungrateful and psychopathic/schizophrenic manager. I'm unemployed, but thanks to that I've had many opportunities to show my talent and I've seized them. This is not a half-full/half-empty glass kind of situation. The lesson here is to live for the things that matter!If I was not fired from Synopsys (yup, I stopped being zealous about the job, because I woke up and saw no point in continuing to do so - essentially, after a certain point, I did solely what it was asked from me, realizing that I would never have recognition), I would end up retiring and looking back, and then realizing that I've worked my ass off for nothing. I never lived up to my ex-boss demanding "standards", anyway.I'm only telling my story here in the hopes of someone seeing that all is relative. It was not easy to me to know I was fired at first. I felt dislocated, very depressed and without purpose or use. But now I'm secretly thankful to by ex-boss. Meanwhile, two more people left the company by their own will. I guess they had enough too.So, if I committed suicide, probably my ex-boss would feel relieved somehow, because he still had the power over me. So, to anyone who is out there, if you are where I've been, think about it. It is life and the loved ones that matter. It is suicide that is pointless. My whole fortune (not my two cents)!Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

author: AmericanLocomotive
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:14:11 pm
content: Absolutely devastated at this news. I had been watching Aussie50 since the beginning of his channel and even had a few conversations with him. He was one of the original YouTube "tinkerers", and had some really legendary content back in the day. His last few videos definitely suggested that he wasn't very happy, but I never suspected anything like this.Shame on many here for trying to turn this into a debate about "victim culture". Depression is an awful and powerful thing - I've seen some very strong-willed people nearly succumb to it. It's not something you can just "man up" about.Rest easy Ed. I hope you found the peace and happiness you were looking for.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:16:39 pm
content: That is sad. Looking at a video from three weeks ago with his dog it looked a bit sad as if the dog knew something wasn't right and he trying to make the dog comfortable.I remembered a video a once a long time ago where he put a CRT television in a plastic box with the back off, turned it on and filled it with oil and it still worked as the box was filling up but I can't seem to find it now out of the many videos in the channel.

author: bloguetronica
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:18:13 pm
content: Quote from: AmericanLocomotive on May 30, 2019, 09:14:11 pmYes, you can't just "man up" to it. But succumbing to it is the real tragedy. It is not about being a victim, or as someone said, being "wired wrongly". But it is better to know that it will pass, even if one has no hope at the time. I'm not saying that it is easy, because it is not. It is the very opposite of fine and dandy. Anyone can find himself in a shit storm. It is how you react, and how you learn the lesson, that matters in the end.Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 09:44:27 pm
content: I have noticed something on his Patreon Page:QuoteIt is the nearly end of the month and only $71.I wonder if not being able to pay the bills and being in debt might have something to do with it?

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 10:40:08 pm
content: Quote from: ve2mrx on May 30, 2019, 05:58:23 amimho... you wont find the right answer here, as once somebody tells you the "right" answer, he will get kicked out, others will come out with commentaries of how stupid it is, some others will provide internet links to disprove the answer, keyboard warriors in quick seconds of thought. but the fact is....Quote from: tom66 on May 30, 2019, 07:03:49 amyou can google in the net some psychologists or scientists or astronomers talked about embedded morality, the purpose of existence, evolutions etc, but soon if you have the slightest wits you'll realize in this thread how bogus they all are... if someone is caring to solve rape issues, he will get kicked out. caring to solve suicide issues, he will get reported, posts deleted, death threat etc and eventually get kicked out if he insists on the solution. no you are not going to find the answer here. i bet my bottom dollars this thread and others alike can go on to thousands pages, we can wait a thousand years and nothing will ever solve anything, only merry go round in circle (if it never comes close to the "right answer"), psychology (and other tabboo aspects) is just out of realm in this forum sorry.... or... we can just stop posting here, let this thread die and rest in peace, we can be sad for few days/weeks, buy flower if we like and put it somewhere and then continue life like nothing had ever (nor will ever) happen, let alone trying to find solution for it.Quote from: Ampera on May 30, 2019, 09:47:59 amthe worse problem is if we dont realize we are an asshole because everybody in the society are assholes. when an assholic manner is practiced by everybody they dont call it asshole, they call it culture. if everybody got brainwashed with the same thing, its not brainwashed, its culture. so its from childhood education to begin with, if we are not killing our self, we are killing our kids, generations and society in the long run. if not, at least made them in a bad shape. then the funny thing is later, we blame others or some super creator for our own faults, men are too clever than super super thingwell some countries have made their way this way "nicely". i'm not sure whether to congratulate or to give condolence. if i congratulate, its not a good thing, if i give condolence, they actually doing it to themselves (unintentionally), soQuote from: MadTux on May 30, 2019, 07:48:02 pmdittt ttooo. or thinking by taking own life will solve everything. NO its NOT and it WONT.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 11:21:45 pm
content: Quote from: bloguetronica on May 30, 2019, 02:58:32 pmWhat's wrong with the comments on Clive's video?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 11:23:20 pm
content: Quote from: JamesAllen on May 30, 2019, 09:03:34 pmHe was weighing up heavily whether to make that video or not in a discussion group with other Youtubers.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 11:33:58 pm
content: Thankfully rates have been dropping worldwide. But I do find that kinda surprising given the new pressures of the social media world we now live in.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 11:37:05 pm
content: Breakdown by country:

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 11:38:18 pm
content: Hmm, my Imgur images aren't showing up, this is new...EDIT: Yep, BBcode insert in Imgur seems broken

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 30, 2019, 11:59:26 pm
content: Unfortunately I just heard of another Columbian electronics Youtuber, Ampletos also taking their own lifeHe had 300k subs.https://www.youtube.com/user/Ampletos

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 12:12:42 am
content: I'm not *too* surprised by rates dropping. Yes we have a lot of new societal pressures but there are also a lot of old societal pressures that no longer exist or are greatly diminished. There is also the ability to communicate with vast numbers of people, some of which may share your interests. For example I lived a significant portion of my life assuming I was the only weirdo who collected lightbulbs and now I know several others. That's far from my only interest so I never felt like a total outcast but I can see how someone with a stronger more limited interest in something "odd" could feel quite alone in the world.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 12:21:38 am
content: Quote from: james_s on May 31, 2019, 12:12:42 amYep, very likely that, it must be more than balancing out.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 12:48:24 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2019, 11:59:26 pmmaybe it is my choice of subscriptions, but it seems to me quite a few of the youtubers I'm subscribed to have been posting videos of being depressed burned out, or worse lately

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:09:14 am
content: I'd be interested to know if any of you who suffered depression got tested for Vitamin B12 deficiency ?

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:29:23 am
content: Wow I figured the rates were higher tbh.And sad to hear of another taking his own life. I wonder if this is the thing of people relying solely on Youtube for their main income, making it stressful. It is hard work, and there is that constant anxiety that the next video won't do as good, or gets demonetized, etc. Not only are you living pay cheque to pay cheque, but your pay directly relies on your constant work. Not like a job where you go in, put your time, and leave. I guess these days there is still the anxiety of being laid off though. So many companies do mass layoffs these days. You think your safe, then bam, 500 employees laid off in a day at the drop of a hat.But it does seem lot of Youtubers end up going into burn out. Guess it comes to show as fun as it is being your own boss and doing your own thing, it's still hard work and can still be stressful. I'm new at it myself and only a part timer but I can definitely appreciate the work that goes into it especially daily, or even weekly uploaders. I was trying to do weekly myself for a while but it's hard. Don't always have the time. It's more than just making a video, it's doing the work itself that you're filming, and then also editing. I have a bad habit of sitting on footage and editing it like a week later because I get lazy and/or busy with other stuff like work, or things that have to be done around the house, etc.

author: bsfeechannel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:30:07 am
content: Quote from: james_s on May 31, 2019, 12:12:42 amYou have no idea.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:35:20 am
content: Quote from: langwadt on May 31, 2019, 12:48:24 amIt's not you, it's a big trend on youtube and many big Youtubers are either affected by it or talking about other big Youtubers being affected by ithttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+youtube+burnoutI even referenced it my 10year video.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:45:53 am
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on May 31, 2019, 01:29:23 amI remember being laid off from Keycorp (1/3 the company was axed).I wasn't there the afternoon it happened so didn't get a chance to say goodbye to anyone (they were all marched out the door after being told, IT actually went around and took their computers whilst they weer in the meeting room being told, lest anyone go postal and delete the server or something) so I went to the "counselling" session a few days later the company payed for to see everyone.It was the saddest sight I had ever seen, everyone crying their eyes out and so emotional about it all.I remember the counsellor going around the room asking people how they felt etc and it came to me and I said "I'm fine, doesn't worry me, just laughing and smiling like I normally do" or some such, and the counselor was adamant that I was just in a state of shock and it hadn't sunk in yet. No amount of trying to convince her otherwise worked, she insisted I needed further counselling sessions.I was shocked that I seemed to be the odd one out that didn't really care, I didn't understand what the big deal was. I expected some people to be upset, but noteveryone. But I guess that it was a biased result because it was a voluntary counselling session after all, and probably only those who felt they needed it went.Same thing at Altium though, I was told later that I was the only one that took the news well.Strange world...

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 02:05:30 am
content: Dave, just wondering, when you got laid off, did you feel any anxiety or uncertainty about the your future? If not, why not? I realise these are personal questions, but I do wonder how one stays positive during events like these. The reason why I'm asking is because by adopting a trait like yours could be a useful tool for others to cope in times of stress.

author: bloguetronica
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 02:18:59 am
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on May 31, 2019, 01:29:23 amYou've hit the nail in the head. When YouTube is your only income, it can turn into a disastrous situation. A change in the algorithm, a bunch a SJWs complaining and your videos getting demonetized as a result, you name it. And it happens a lot. You just can't trust Google, or Facebook for that matter. It is more unreliable than having a boss dependent job, and it is an illusion that you are the boss of your own, because you still largely depend on others and on the decisions of to get your income.In essence, IMHO, YouTube is a good solution as a backup income plan, but not as the main one. When youtubers say "I'm ready to leave my full-time job to dedicate myself to YouTube.", I think "Oh, boy!". I really fear for those people. You should always have a backup plan: Patreon, e-Bay, freelancing, whatever. Actually, in that sense, it it better to have more than one. Plus, those tasks don't have to be necessarily interfering with each other, and can even complement. You can do a business on freelancing and talk about your freelancing projects on YouTube, for example.Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

author: cepwin
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 02:23:57 am
content: It's not just spending money. The individual has to decide to get help or have people in there life that intervene and make them get help. If that doesn't happen no amount of government expenditure will help. As you said, there seems to be a lot more mental health issues especially with young men then there have been in the past. I don't know why it's happening. I do agree that youtube as a primary income could be stressful and uncertain. Much better to do it as a hobby or secondary income stream.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 02:32:12 am
content: Quote from: james_s on May 31, 2019, 12:12:42 amThe diagram shows that the rate is increasing for the USA. But it is decreasing for example in China and India, where 2.7 billion people live (seehere, and click "Change Country" at the bottom of the diagram), and so it outweighs other countries with lower population like the USA with 327 million people, if you look at the world rate.I've downloaded the raw data. I was surprised to see that Greenland has the highest suicide rate (followed by Russia, which is not that surprising). There is aWikipedia articleabout it.I wrote aPython scriptto see how the suicide rate changed from 1990 to 2017, and then sorted it by this factor, which you can seehere, sorted by the factor. The range is from 0.4 for Denmark up to 3.2 for Armenia, which suggests that external factors have a strong influence, otherwise there wouldn't be so much variation. So for the world it is dropping, but it is very different for individual countries.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 02:43:25 am
content: The Wikipedia article you linked tells the second most suicidal place is Lithuania and makes no mentioning of Russia.

author: FrankBuss
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 02:49:39 am
content: Quote from: Bud on May 31, 2019, 02:43:25 amYou are right, here is the complete data, sorted by suicide rate in 2017:http://www.sharecsv.com/s/3f2cd0c936bdb0631224d316c431d00f/increase.csvLooks like Greenland has improved a lot since 1990.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 03:14:09 am
content: Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on May 31, 2019, 02:05:30 amNo, because:a) As mentioned in one of my job interview tips series videos, I always have a "screw you" cash buffer for such eventualities, or simply getting fed up with your job and quitting without having lined up another job. Or your boss threatens you with your job, which you should never accept, quit immediately if they do that.b) I know that I have the talent and enthusiasm to get another job. Could take a few months to get a decent job again, but that's what the cash buffer is for. I recommend building up to a 6 month living expenses cash buffer.c) I also know that I have the ability to make money on the side, selling kits, buying and reselling on ebay, or any one of a number of other things I could think of.d) I never let my job define my life or dictate it, it's a just a job, they are dime a dozen. This is often simply a state of mind thing.And for those who say they can't build up a cash buffer, then you are doing something wrong.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 03:18:11 am
content: Quote from: cepwin on May 31, 2019, 02:23:57 amIn the case of Aussie50 he was probably making about $30-$40 a day at best from Youtube, so not even close to being a substantial income.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 03:43:35 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 31, 2019, 03:14:09 amBrilliant advice to live by.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 04:17:12 am
content: Getting laid off is a fact of life in the corporate world, I've been through it a couple times in my career and I'm sure it will happen again. It's a rough experience, much like breaking up from any kind of relationship and you cope with it similarly. Remind yourself that generally speaking you were let go as a business decision, not because you suck. It's a temporary situation, spend the time working on your skillset and polishing up the resume and start looking, it may take a while but something will come up. Get outside, exercise, get a good night's sleep and take some time out for hobbies to keep your brain sharp. Contact friends and former coworkers, meet for lunch, have a beer, network network network. Each time I was laid off I ended up finding a better job either making more money, enjoying the work more or both.Just like breaking up with a girl/guy/whatever, it can feel like the ground has been pulled out from under you but it's not the end of the world, take a breather then get back on your feet, it's just life. Sometimes life sucks, it doesn't have to stay that way.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 04:29:25 am
content: I have seen one episode where Dave called it "screw you money" and I think he was pointing his finger for when your employer gets rid off you.There is always what if you can no longer get work even for your interests and hobbies and boredom comes into play and you don't want to find something else.Quote from: cepwin on May 31, 2019, 02:23:57 amI thought he did it as a hobby.Assumption:I was thinking he was in debt and was going to loose quite a lot of things.

author: Dundarave
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 05:01:10 am
content: With respect to having a “screw you” money buffer, there’s a huge psychic difference between thinking you “simply can’t” leave/lose a job vs knowing that “if things get really bad”, you actually can walk if you get pushed too far.Having the option available, even if it means some temporary hardship, can go a long way to tolerating a sub-optimal situation. Not having that option available can cause a bad job situation to fester, resulting in frustration, anger, and the feeling of being trapped & unable to control events.If only for one’s sanity as well as the general mental health of you and your loved ones, everyone needs an operational “Plan B”, as far as I’m concerned.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 06:53:26 am
content: I don't know and won't speculate on what may have caused this fellow to take his own life, I also don't know what his living arrangements were but living in the same state as him I am fully aware that housing affordability and maintaining a roof over your head is a major concern to many people.This relates not just to the purchase of a home but also the rental market where it's now common to see two or three dozen people lined up for a ten minute inspection of an available rental property. Estate agents are guilty of giving preference to those who can pay many months in advance even though this is in breach of the residential tenancies act.There are many people who simply don't have that kind of money and unless they can call on support from friends or family then they are at risk of becoming homeless. Even with a secure job and favourable rental history it is now extremely difficult to have a rental application accepted in order to secure somewhere to live.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 07:06:05 am
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on May 31, 2019, 06:53:26 amThat reminded me of the video with the dog:Curie knows when to wake upOn looking again at the video that might show a clue on his living arrangements. The room looks small and packed. What I thought was a couch in a house has quilt cover over it and there is sleeping bag in the background in 1.11 of the video with all clothes scattered on it and a metal pipe on the wall to the left where the television is.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 07:06:30 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 31, 2019, 03:14:09 amAdding to this excellent advice,e) Learn to widen your comfort zone. It's OK to have a high standard of living when you have stable income to support that, but if something surprising happens, the only sustainable way is to drop your living standards, sometimes quickly, and by a great amount if necessary. Actually this relieves mental stress, since it's extremely stressful trying to maintain a high living standard on debt, knowing deep inside that you can't afford your own lifestyle. Dropping your expenses from, say, $3000/month to $1000/month, means that your 3-month buffer becomes a 9-month buffer!Recognize your biggest two expenses. If they areanythingelse than housing, and actual food, you are doing something very, very wrong. (Visiting coffee houses is not "food", even if you eat there.) Housing is indeed expensive, and hardest to optimize quickly, but many people who think they are broke actually have large expenses that are completely unnecessary and they don't even realize it.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 07:14:03 am
content: While I was registering on the forum, I promised myself I will try to keep it mostly technical and never personal. It seems I am breaking the promise.“Each year approximately one million people die from suicide”; “every 40 seconds one death”Think about that, while you are reading this thread. One registered user, who was on the forum while I was writing this post, will die from a suicide. 250 current forum members will or already did — that’s more thanDunbar’s number. This is the scale of the phenomenon.Don’t make guesses about what were his reasons, unless you have some reliable traces. It’s pointless. I doubt it was MDD, as he was active to the end. But that’s all. Do not assume, that people are having any kind of depressive mood if they are “sounding sad”. Neither make the opposite assumption: people in such condition do not need to look sad(1). In fact people with dysthymia may seem extremely happy and successful. There are many reasons people commit suicide, some not even directly caused by mood-related issues; as a simple example someone may kill oneself to avoid dealing with problems in the near future.Do not judge. People going through any type of depression are not of “weak character”. MDD is a natural reaction to stress, completely independent of person’s will, background or character. It’s pure chemistry over which you have no control. The same goes for dysthymia, which may be caused by biological factors. Do not think about depressive mood disorders as anything else than, let’s say, diabetes.Since the causes are usually chemical/biological, it can be treated just like any other disease. If you fracture your bone, you do not walk around hoping it will fix itself. Neither one should make such an assumption with MDD.(2)If you have hormonal problems, you take drugs — perhaps to the end of the life — to regain balance. And dysthymia is not different. In the worst case you may ask for a different therapy or refuse it — check your local regulations, but I never heard of a modern country in which someone would force pills down your throat.If a cure is effective and safe is a different issue. As a person, who refused taking antidepressants, I have no right to suggest doing that. But this is not the only option! Depending on situation one may consider psychotherapy (which has no undesired side effects), a psychiatrist being a mediator between a patient and other doctors (to remove underlying conditions), minor changes in lifestyle or something as simple as… a lamp. Do not avoid consulting a psychiatrist just because you imagine you will leave with a box of Prozac. On the other hand, you must be assertive — there is no way around asking the doctor about alternatives.And psychiatrists are yet another problem. Not only them, but also people trying to “help”. More often than not both groups are trying to “fix” a person instead of caring for the actual needs. It’s often about “making itnormalagain”, where “normal” means “like an average person”. And making it quick. I guess this is the major reason people avoid getting help. If any form of lowered mood is consideredwrongand the affected person is expecting to face extreme, potentially harmful and ineffective measures, I do not blame them for not seeking professional care. If you see a depressed person and want to help them, first get your motivation right. And respect that person — they still want some autonomy. Otherwise the outcome may be opposite to what you expect. An evening spent with someone, who is willing to meet with you, may be more important than anything medicine has to offer to them.If you wish to commit a suicide: consider not doing that. The problem is that most attempts are ending in a failure. Even those, which seem “certain”: throwing yourself under a train, a truck, jumping from a bridge, hanging etc. Worse than that: if you survive, you have considerable chances of ending as a disabled person. Not the smartest idea.Note: I am not a professional psychiatrist. The above is based on my own experiences and those of my friends and acquaintances.____(1) Except for a developed MDD, but then visible sadness is not the only symptom.(2) Right, ribs are the exception. So are some cases of MDD. But a rib should be seen by a specialist, and similar check may be a good idea with the latter.

author: IceXcube84
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 08:06:36 am
content: R.I.P Edward Jones (Aussie50) you will be missed foreverI did speak with him for some years ago on steam. Very nice bloke for sure.After i heard the bad news about his suicide from BigClive on Youtube it did make me sad that he decide to end his lifeI have been trying to get out from that hole i have been stuck in last 8 months from depression. I do see the light and not darkness in my life.Not first time i have to deal with depression in my life.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 08:35:05 am
content: Quote from: golden_labels on May 31, 2019, 07:14:03 amI know someone who was promised help that they should have rightfully have due to their condition. I knew the college was dodgy as I use to challenge them in meetings, they really wanted me just to sign up there and refused to go there. I did pratical work that was offered before I found somewhere private and decent. All the students bunked off their courses at that institute as I warned them what might happen and they were prescribing anti depressents to my friend at the time who was attending there rather than getting the help that he rightfully needed and was promised do the courses, he struggled through the work and all they were pleased about him keeping up to their targets and talk about their league table. I warned him that the medication can make him suicidal and the side effects as the very same drug he was prescribed was on the news on suicide rates. He took it and eventually became rude, dropped all of his subjects, disappeared for a while, came back better but left with nothing. He had good family so I think that helped a lot.I see it is good to to prepare and protect yourself as I did in that situation but I suppose there are many others that I'll fail at without help.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 10:17:23 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2019, 11:59:26 pmThis happened in December last year. It was a great loss for the Spanish/Portuguese electronics world, especially the audio aficionados. His website has lots of excellent tutorials and projects, all written in a very clear and easy way.http://www.videorockola.com/proyectos-electronicos/Quote from: EEVblog on May 31, 2019, 01:35:20 amI think it is a natural consequence of more and more people jumping into a "new" bandwagon - a percentage will always be overworked, especially in a very high exposure gig such as Youtube.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 10:51:03 am
content: Quote from: Dundarave on May 31, 2019, 05:01:10 amThat was effectively part C of my list, having a hobby you can turn into an income if need be, or at least some skills and/or knowledge in some particular area.e.g. one of my hobbies was (and kinda still is) buying test equipment on ebay cheap from overseas, doing them up and then reselling locally, often for double or triple what I paid for it. In a pinch I could have made that an income source to pay the bills if I really worked at it.But the easiest and most foolproof way for most to do that is to save up that cash buffer. Money solves all your worry issues. You work to earn money, so if you have the money you don't need to work (for a while). It can take years to save that buffer, and it takes some discipline to not touch it, but it's not that hard if you automate that.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 11:10:34 am
content: money is not the only factor...i never heard rich nor poor people killing themselves around here. only people (usually middle class in urban city) that i believe who not hold on to the real answer is, usually with relationship or debt problem. but even that its very very seldomly heard.

author: orion242
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 11:13:58 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 31, 2019, 01:45:53 amLike asking a car salesman if you need a new car.Life is what you make of it. Some people always see positive, others for whatever reason only see negative. Only above the ground for a finite time. Never will understand why some spend that time only focused on the negative.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 12:25:54 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on May 31, 2019, 11:10:34 amOf course, but most people work for a living in order to pay for things they need to survive and live comfortably, that's how the world works. Take that away and people's lives turn upside down in an instant.This is why people live in fear of losing their job, and they often take abuse from an employer when they shouldn't have to.This is why losing your job can be devastating to some because they didn't think about saving money, or about having any sort of backup plan in terms of alternative income sources or skills they can turn into alternative income sources if required. But because backup income plans can fail, the easiest and guaranteed reliable solution for most people is just having cash savings they can fall back on for a while if needed. I seriously recommend it to everyone.

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 12:51:52 pm
content: I can tell you from experience that having money or a rainy day stash counts for nothing if your health, mental or otherwise suddenly fails. Being well has a value worth more than most will ever know until it's too late.

author: orion242
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 12:56:47 pm
content: Being broke sure doesn't equal stress free happiness either.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:23:44 pm
content: partly due to how economical system is designed/fashioned esp in the city imho, one simple example is house mortgage. paying the loan can be a lifetime liability/burden. so there's study about "Riba". there used to be time when people can build house without this kind of nonsense. Land was abundant and actually still is, its just some people/organization/government made it seems like limited (or "controlled"). similar with food. technologies are developed to confine people in the smallest area possible instead of utilizing the vast area of the blue planet, well thats just a small examples. giving away to needy people and smile can give some relief, sometime realization to the purpose and worthiness of life. sometime its amazing and make wonder how these poor people can survive without any shelter protecting them. jobs are everywhere its also amazing how most people are too picky... expectation and rank class in the society etc etc. fwiw ymmv.

author: m98
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:29:33 pm
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on May 31, 2019, 12:51:52 pmBut having no or not enough money usually makes the latter problems even worse. It's just about finding a healthy attitude about one's financial security and attainable life standard.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:36:04 pm
content: Depression is a disease and it can happen to anyone, although some people are more at risk (like with any disease). It completely changes how you perceive the world, it's really tragic. It happens to a lot of people at some point in life.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:47:34 pm
content: Quote from: Muttley Snickers on May 31, 2019, 12:51:52 pmActually, money can help for rainy day medical (inc mental) problems too.But yes, maintain good financial savings, maintain good health, and maintain a sense of humor in life.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:51:25 pm
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on May 31, 2019, 01:23:44 pmJust like I said those who say they can't save, you are doing something wrong. If you get a loan that is a "lifetime liability" then you are also doing something wrong, try not to do that.I see young kids all the time on the news in sensational news stories saying "The average price of a Sydney house is $1M, how will I ever afford that?". They are impractical entitled fools who don't even consider that there is a perfectly valid and sensible "below average" option that could cut 20 years off their mortgage.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 01:58:42 pm
content: It's very demanding for lower middle class people who think they are upper middle class and want to pretend such way for their whole life. This is paid by taking excessive debt, for excessive housing, cars, and pure luxury status items, all on debt money. The system is carefully crafted to extract as much money out of these poor people as possible, and many live with absolutely zero reserve for any expenses, even when they are working and paid well. Being laid off is a complete and instant disaster, even though we have a totally unfair system in place where you may be able to receive a massive compensation from taxpayer money, just designed to allow you to keep up your lifestyle - but even that isn't enough.The best way to get out of this situation is to accept your own class and decide not to give a shit about the whole social class status thing. Adjust the lifestyle to something you can actually afford, and the problem goes away - and so does the stress.Of course, there are limits what you can do, and there are people who are actually very poor. But middle class poverty and "social manipulation/abuse" by financing companies is very real. Anyone can opt out by using their own brain and being brave, it's basically very close to an abusive relationship and how to get out of it.Here, murdering the whole family (surprisingly equally by the mothers and fathers, by the way), then suicide, is a real thing that's almost exclusive to the "lower middle class pretending to be upper middle class" segment. It's very stressful to work hard all day, yet fear for your life that the debt collector comes to your door, your neighbor sees it, and your fabricated Facebook life is busted. Very sad news stories.

author: bsfeechannel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 03:33:47 pm
content: Depression is like a circuit breaker that trips and never rearms again.It has nothing to do with getting emotional about being laid off. Depression can happen when you're active making big money and have lots of cash.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 05:13:38 pm
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on May 31, 2019, 01:58:42 pmIt reminds me of this article:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5095170/Millionaire-businessman-Christopher-Foster-killed-wife-and-daughter-to-avoid-degrading-change-in-lifestyle.htmlQuoteThat's why I refuse to do things that require me to owe money. I read a story of some young music artists that were doing very well, then they buy a big music studio with money they borrowed and they loose interest and go bankrupt. So they loose the motivation and interest and they got in debt over it.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 05:19:39 pm
content: Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 31, 2019, 03:33:47 pmAgree, but a bad turn of events can be a trigger sometimes.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 06:10:08 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on May 31, 2019, 05:13:38 pmIt pays to be careful, and I too hate owing money but there are times when it's the sensible thing to do. Buying a home is a very good investment for many people but in most cases if you try to save up enough money to buy it with cash you will never catch up to rising property values and inflation. If I had not bought mine when I did, I would not be able to afford to live in this area anymore, the rental up the street costs more per month than my 15 year mortgage and I have just a few years to go before it's paid off.I never borrow to buy non-essentials though, even things like cars I've always paid cash though I also prefer older cars and enjoy tinkering with them so transportation is fairly cheap for me. I know a shocking number of people who buy furniture, appliances, toys, all manner of stuff on credit and I've never understood the mentality. There are people who are poor and struggling through no real fault of their own, but there are also a huge number of people who are poor because they are extremely foolish with money. A good friend of mine that I've known since highschool has pretty consistently earned about double what I have throughout our careers however I've consistently had much more to show for it. He's always struggled with debt trying to live beyond his means while I've always had plenty of money to pay for anything I really need. I watch people piss away huge sums just on all the little things, 5 bucks here, 10 bucks there, $15 eating out for lunch each day, $6 for a morning coffee, doesn't sound like much but it adds up and pretty soon you're talking real money.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 09:53:20 pm
content: Quote from: apis on May 31, 2019, 05:19:39 pmYep, that's the point I'm trying to make.Being prepared can take help take away those triggers, but it can never solve everything.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 09:55:24 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on May 31, 2019, 06:10:08 pmOr owning services. This is why I don't take back-orders on my website.It was out of comfort zone to do those Kickstarters.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 11:25:46 pm
content: I guess it could just be simplified to "owing". I hate being in debt to anyone, for any reason. Occasionally there are situations where a calculated risk can pay off but generally speaking it's something to be avoided.I see a lot of people fall into the trap with small loans, buy now, pay later, no interest until xxx date, payday loans, etc that that has always baffled me. I operate under the assumption that I'll have equal or less disposable income next month, not more. I never, ever bank on being able to afford something tomorrow that I cannot afford today.

author: cepwin
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 11:26:36 pm
content: Agree 100%....not having to depend on your employer gives you freedom...freedom from abuse and freedom from fear that your world will crumble if you lose your job. In addition to savings (as you say, very important) there are two other things....a skill that you know people will always need (ever hear about an out of work electrician or plummer for example or a skill you can always freelance) and if your financial situation permits, investments that provide an income stream (real estate, a business, etc.)

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2019, 11:35:50 pm
content: The biggest issue in the USA in that regard is probably healthcare. A huge number of people depend on their employer for health insurance, and if you quit your job rather than getting let go involuntarily you normally can't take advantage of the safety nets like unemployment insurance. This was especially bad back when health insurers could refuse to cover pre-existing conditions, which is something certain people and groups have been trying hard to roll back to. If you had a serious health condition and lost your job, forcing a change in insurance you could be royally screwed. Get into a situation like that where you might need mental health help and suddenly you don't have access to that or any other form of healthcare. It's an insane mess that I don't even want to get started on.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 12:01:05 am
content: I'm the same way too I hate owing money. My only debt is my mortgage and I'm paying that as fast as I can. I pay $650 bi-weekly when my minimum is $400. I cannot justify a new car, always bought used. I just think of all the things I can do with the money that a new car costs. Things that last longer, like perhaps a solar setup on my roof, or maybe even buying a property in the bush for a camp.My only source of passive stress is the idea of losing my job though, costs of living keep going up, there is little to no money left to save, and any amount I DO save is paltry. Reality is if I lost my job, I'd have to put my house on the market the same day, and start doing arrangements to live with my parents so I can cancel all the utilities. I would really hate having to do that, and also give up all the things I own (would not have room for that at my parent's). Basically I'd need to do a giant yard sale and sell all my stuff. If I could not sell the house within a month the city would take it as I would not be able to afford the taxes. That is one of the bigger expenses I have. I try not to worry too much about it though, if it happens, it happens. A clean slate in life is not always a bad thing.I have a long term plan to remedy that though so hoping the job sticks around for at least that long. I want to buy off grid land in the general area (within 1 hour) in an unorganized township and build a cabin/house and eventually live there. Cost of living will be super cheap as I won't have any utility bills and the taxes will be much lower. It would serve as a camp until I get it to a point where everything works year round. Ex: water. Water/sewage would probably be the hardest things to get right but it's doable.There's not lot of tech jobs in my area, at least not ones that pay as good as mine, so I would not count on finding more work. It's not even a skill thing, it's a job availability thing. Most of the good jobs are down south and I have absolutely zero interest in living there. It's also super cut throat, just not my thing. A proper living situation and being close to family takes higher priority to me.I try not to dwell on it too much though, our department keeps gaining more work, I think we'll be fine.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 01:06:53 am
content: It is not everywhere that jobs are a dime and a dozen. The job market varies wildly from place to place, and to be employed in a place that allows you to do something you like can be very rare. If you can join this with a decent salary, you are in a very envious place. That was certainly the case in my home country (Brasil), where the job market has a deficit in openings and candidates are usually squeezed to be employed. Put that together with a scenario of economic instability and inflation and you can get out of "screw you" money pretty quickly.Here in the US the situation is improved by an absolute huge margin, but I still see the ghosts of healthcare (as james_s pointed out) and ageism in some places - 50/60yo friends that were laid off had a very hard time finding a new position.Obviously that you can always have an escape plan and diversify your activities, but life is truly unpredictable and we are usually one step away from an upside down situation.

author: bsfeechannel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 03:26:37 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 31, 2019, 09:53:20 pmWell. I've seen cases where people were prepared, but that didn't make any difference. The thing is that depression is adiseaseand no advice for financial prudence or positive attitude to life can prevent it or cure it, especially for people with a predisposition to it. (Don't ask me how I know this.)And since it is a (devastating) disease, you should see a doctor and treat it.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 05:46:27 am
content: If you have the option to live with your parents and it comes to that you don't have to put your house on the market, rent it out, you should get close to enough if not more than the mortgage payment and then you still have the appreciating asset.

author: ve2mrx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 05:55:27 am
content: Depression does not care about money. Financial issues are only ONE possible trigger. Relationships are another possible trigger.Sure, if this world wasn't such a mess, the rate would be lower.Abuse in any form can be a trigger.Stop trying to find excuses or who's fault it is, just be there for your friend who shows you help is welcome.Let the folks in the medical community do their job and don't improvise yourself as a psychologist or psychiatrist.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 06:05:42 am
content: A job is an important part of ones life, associated with providing existential needs, a standard of living and all that, that´s for sure. But its not the end of the world.Depression however could be described as the feeling of helplessness (which does not mean you are in fact helpless and of course the feeling is up to a varying degree for anyone), the inability to break out of a circle of thoughts not leading out there, looking into a dark pit.I kind of understand that an event like losing the job, mourning, recap or bad news can start such a spiral of thoughts.It is not as if you have much choice to have it or not, when it hits you, you are in there and mostly it is too late for whatever good advice there is - actually too much advice from people that do not understand the problem (anyone except you - from what you perceive) or treat this very superficial (a lot of people do that) makes you deaf to anything.Not forgetting to mention that as a social being your environment has more or less been set by people around you - and that also led to this point. In a healthy environment you would not need to feel helpless all the time, you accept facts or make decisions, it is obviously harder when being alone, or in an unhealthy environment.So there are no magic words to be spoken to make it go away - at the same time you would need to accept help while feeling helpless, which feeds a second conflict or roots back to the initial one.What i would like to point out is that not all suicides are the result of a depression, but depression also does not have to end in suicide. Recognizing, that when things can change suddenly from usual to bad, it also means that it can go in the other direction, requires some distance from oneselfs thinking.I mean some people approach this as if it was only caused by the wrong expectations and that might partially be true, at least unrealistically high expectations are not helpful when trying to sort out what really matters to you.Having a viable alternative plan is usually a good idea and taking life as a constant origin of problems that need to be solved might help too, even if things not turn out ideal.Burnout is however a different thing and if your schedules depend on the suggestion algorithm on youtube too much it might mean that you need to have more reliable channels to direct viewers to your videos. Back when websites with their own domain were the norm, the amount of links between them defined popularity and therefore search rank - and of course amount of visitors and therefore ad value. But youtube became it´s own ecosystem and everyone complains to be dependent on that.

author: TerraHertz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 06:52:18 am
content: That's sad. I hadn't watched more than a couple of his videos, and that was long ago. Just now I watched hisFun with cars, dogs and machine tools.From a month ago. And I can feel it between the lines; he had a state of hopelessness and futility and tiredness with it all.Something I'm sensitive to, because I'm prone to it myself due to difficult external circumstances. One definitely needs strong coping methods. A few good friends, going on adventures, peaceful days in the bush to re-connect with base reality and the beautiful world, lots of vitamin C and D3, a sense of humor, every now and then getting a nice project finished...Oh, and music!The last time I felt that from someone's web postings, was years ago. A blog by a girl in the USA who went by the pen name Hiromi. She had a beautiful, creative mind, very literate, and didn't look bad either. But had some psychological difficulties. Don't _all_ the creative people? Anyway, one day I read her latest post. Merely about a meal she'd just cooked, that didn't work out well. The post seemed bland, but it made the hairs on back of my neck stand up. I thought, I know that feeling. That's when you've decided there's no more point to anything. I dithered a few hours (do I trust my intuition? No not really) then emailed someone in the US I knew was a friend of hers. Warned him I thought she was in danger. Later I read he'd driven to her place (long distance) and found her unconscious from a sedatives OD. Got her to hospital, she survived, but posted she felt she had a little brain damage. Didn't feel as sharp. She stopped posting, moved interstate, her blog disappeared. I never heard anything more. Don't know if it was my email that prompted him to drive over, or if things might have been better if I didn't dither.You know, when one is lonely (due to stupidly complicated and f-ed up circumstance) it is quite possible to fall in love with someone you never met and likely never will.Edit to add: Look at all the machine tools and space he had. I'm jealous, and he still offed himself. It's a weird world.My condolences to everyone who knew and misses him.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 06:57:54 am
content: I agree with the idea that you shouldn't owe anything to anyone. No debt at all would be ideal. It's also idealistic, and often non-realistic.First, if you are in debt for anything else than housing, you are likely doing it wrong. Don't ever make the mistake of buying a car on loan, it's just pure craziness. You can literally get a working car for less than $500, no less reliable than a $50000 car, also cheaper to maintain. If you mentally can't buy a $500 car, then you are just buying status symbols or high standard of living. It's all OK, but doing that on debt is a fake life, and very dangerous.Housing is different. It's expensive no matter what you do (it's almost always #1 expense, and hardest to optimize), and you need to have a roof on the top of your head to be safe from the elements. (Actually there are ways out of this idea, but they are too "ghetto" for most, so let's not discuss that idea further.)So how much mortgage loan is sustainable and "safe"?At least here, banks are required to assess your ability to pay back your mortgage before they give you a loan, but they use a calculation method based on yourcurrent pay on your current job, assuming it goes on indefinitely, which is a ridiculously stupid and dangerous assumption. What if you lose your job? What if you were hired when things were really good in economy? What if your field of work is collapsing globally, and your single skill is not needed?I propose two alternative, better ways:1) Reference comparison based on the fact that youneeda home. Find the smallest apartment you can findfor rent. Anything will do, don't kid yourself into thinking you need to be in a nice city centre next to a nice café, or need so and so many square meters. Look for the absolute cheapest that can technically support you from dying in cold weather, or from being murdered on street. Accept moving away from your neighborhood or city. This will be yourreference rent, the acceptable minimum amount of money you just need to earnin any case. If you don't have this level of income, you end up homeless, regardless of the ownership.Now, for each house you want to buy with a mortgage loan, calculate for the worst-case monthly payment (assume higher interest than initially to add some safety margin). If this sum is in the same ballpark, or smaller than the reference "cheap rent", there is absolutely nothing wrong in being in debt, it's no worse than not having debt. If the sum is considerably smaller, you are better off being in debt, as the actual chances of losing your home will be smaller. After all, the consequence of missing rent or mortgage payments is approximately the same.If you can't find a house for sale that meets this condition, then sorry, buying a house is not for you. In the meantime, actually rent your cheapest "reference" apartment and work ways to make more money.Method 2) involves more risk, but still a lot less than what the "official" assessment methods do. Basically, instead of looking at your ability to pay back using yourcurrentpaycheck, you do a thorough analysis of your skills, job market, your ability to get employed if you lose your job, and your possible skills of bootstrapping an enterpreneurship quickly.Prove to yourself very concrete and actual ways to make money (just like Dave showed above, about buying and reselling stuff on Ebay). Use these projected income numbers to define the maximum monthly payment of your mortgage, instead of how much you happen to get paidnow. So you need to prove yourself that you have plan B, but also plan C, D, E, F and preferably even G. Also, you need to prove yourself these plans are realistic, and calculate how much you can earn on them. By doing this, you may be able to "prove" yourself a higher standard of living than with method #1, but the risk is that you are overly confident. Don't kid yourself.In any case, this line of thinking gives you a mental buffer against the lurking fear of "getting fired and losing everything".Finally, you need to be able to early and quickly detect a lurking financial issue, andquicklyenter a "save" mode where you drop literally everything else except rent/mortgage, water, electricity, and some very basic food (should be less than $100/month/person). A lot of financial stress is caused by failing to recognize a bad situation before it's too late.

author: philpem
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 10:36:10 am
content: Quote from: cepwin on May 31, 2019, 02:23:57 amAnd what do you do if the local health services turn round to you, when you ask for help, and say you're "too broken for this (privatised) service, we only deal in minor cases"?What if the service they referred you to then turns round and says "oh, you need the minor issues MH support service" -- the one which just turned you away?And the only advice anyone has for you is "keep trying"?And your friends don't know what to do with you, so they subconsciously push you away, stop inviting you to things, making you feel even more isolated than you already were?And in the end - you wonder... does it even matter?Someone tried to jump from a railway bridge near here the other day - and while everyone around me in the station was grumbling about how they wished the guy would hurry up and jump... I felt like I was the only person in the room who was thinking "I wish the medical and MH support services were good enough that the guy on the bridge didn't have to do this to get help".And that's the sad state of the world, or at least the UK.

author: sokoloff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 12:45:38 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 31, 2019, 01:51:25 pmBut Dave, how could they possibly live in anything other thanthe best?Those interested in the personal finance branch of this topic might be interested in a couple of classic blog posts from Mr Money Moustache.The shockingly simple math behind early retirement.A decent semi-intro jumping off blog post from MMM.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 01:05:32 pm
content: Quote from: sokoloff on June 01, 2019, 12:45:38 pmhttps://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BriefingBook45p/HousingAffordabilityQuotenot sure right now. but the way i understand, if any "normal" australian ever live in "social housing" in our place, i think many more will go away. not being particular to australia, but this thing can happen anywhere. keyword: "the (one eye) new world order"

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 04:40:13 pm
content: https://www.patreon.com/posts/connection-to-16046103QuoteI see his workshop was at risk.Looking at the last videos I see clips from were he worked on machining metal and it looked discrete. They weren't very long or is it that they didn't want him to fill there.QuoteIn that video in October last year he said he was working 4 to 5 days fulltime and he will have more money to spend on a full time income.

author: stevelup
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 06:51:42 pm
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on June 01, 2019, 06:57:54 amI like nice cars. I get a lot of enjoyment from them, and I sit in mine for several hours every day commuting.I can't afford a £50k car, but I can comfortably afford the lease payments on a £50k car. I don't really see what the problem is to be honest. I would be undoubtedly be better off if I bought a £500 car, but I would be immensely less satisfied with it. You have to look at the bigger picture sometimes.

author: ve2mrx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 06:54:04 pm
content: PLEASE tell me what is the connection about loans, cars and Aussie50?

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 07:48:35 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2019, 09:18:28 amNo offense, but as someone who battles with depression (and whose dad is a psychiatrist): bullshit. "Sticks and stones" is actually anextremelyharmful approach, as a) someone with depressiondoesn't have the tools to just grin and bear it, and b) it sends the message to bullies that their behavior is OK since it's not "really" harmful. (In fact, telling boys to "man up" and bottle up their emotions is the reason why males are vastly more likely to commit suicide than women -- 3.5x as likely. So advocating formoreof this is insane.)I respectfully request that you refrain from pontificating on these matters, with which you have no expertise or experience.As apis correctly stated (below), depression changes how your brain perceives things, robbing you of theabilityto feel joy in things, even if thewillingnessand desire to feel joy is there. When somebody says something nice about you, the depression tells you they're lying. Or that it's insignificant compared to your shortcomings. (And this even if your logical brain is fully aware that neither is true!!!) It robs you of the joy in things that should give you joy, like spending time with people, doing things you like, etc. This is the insidious thing about depression -- even knowing that it's there doesn't loosen its grip over you.Quote from: apis on May 31, 2019, 01:36:04 pmI also notice that much of the discussion here is focused on triggers. But it's important to remember thatwith clinical depression no triggers are necessary. Yes, a triggercantrigger a worsening of symptoms, but it can also happen without any kind of trigger whatsoever.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 08:14:35 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on June 01, 2019, 07:48:35 pmIt's calledanhedonia.For me being depressed is just having no interest in life or anything whatsoever. Thinking I do not want to do anything because what difference will it make? None.Waking up in the morning and thinking, oh, no, brand new day, same old shit. Not leaving the house for weeks until all I have to eat are a few cookies left over. And it takes supreme effort to get out of the house and get some groceries.Not going to the doctor or dentist unless it is really serious and cannot wait. Just procrastinating with everything. If it waited until today it can wait one more day. Absolutely no interest in doing or achieving anything. Nothing.Just trying not to think about reality and trying to evade it. I now understand people's addictions to drugs or alcohol. Many could not get by if not for that.Anyone who has not been there cannot understand.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 08:26:21 pm
content: ^^^ truth

author: IceXcube84
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 08:42:49 pm
content: Quote from: soldar on June 01, 2019, 08:14:35 pmThank you for explaining something that i can't explain myself. That is how my life has been for a very long time.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 09:33:19 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on May 31, 2019, 07:14:03 amThat's a dangerous slippery slope, in the end it's all just chemistry. The shared concept of our responsibility to our fellows is part of what gives meaning to our lives, waving that away and calling someone's lack of ability to live up to the responsibility as just chemistry might well push someone over the edge too.Nihilism and physical determinism are not philosophies which help with suicide prevention.

author: windsmurf
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 09:44:02 pm
content: Quote from: IceXcube84 on June 01, 2019, 08:42:49 pmI'd recommend "The Power of Now"https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-power-of-now-a-guide-to-spiritual-enlightenment-e60365106.htmlhttps://www.amazon.com/Power-Now-Guide-Spiritual-Enlightenment/dp/1577314808

author: ve2mrx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 09:47:23 pm
content: The Butterfly effect at its best!How much freedom do we really have over our lives? It's more illusion than fact when you look at the big picture. So most don't.Unless everyone rejects the current path and fights against the abuse, it will continue. In our society, we constantly get abused and given flowers afterwards.Society does not want this to change, so it doesn't. We borrow the future of our children and their children. And we are happy to give them our garbage.Maybe depression is a symptom of how messed it's become?Don't do to others what you wouldn't want be done to you.

author: IceXcube84
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 09:59:06 pm
content: Quote from: windsmurf on June 01, 2019, 09:44:02 pmI will check them out for sure tomorrow. Iam off to the bed now. Time here is: 23:58 been wake since 8 in the morning.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 10:19:55 pm
content: Quote from: soldar on June 01, 2019, 08:14:35 pmTell me this isn't simply trueRead about paperclip maximization and mouse utopia and you will understand where the world is going.

author: chris_leyson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2019, 11:48:40 pm
content: Thank Tooki, apis, soldar, IceXcube84, BigClive and all of the others I've forgotten to mention. Anhedonia, it happens from time to time, but yeah, what is the point, different day same shit etc. but eventually you get over it somehow, and that "somehow" is where we should focus. My younger brother once said to me "suicide is a selfifsh act" and I've thought about this and I think in some ways he was right. I never got to ask why he had that opinion because he died in a car crash a few months later.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 12:52:20 am
content: Quote from: soldar on June 01, 2019, 08:14:35 pmdo mice develop LGBT?for me what i believe, people commited suicide for whatever reason, in the end because:1) they think there is no afterlife, everythings go black, all record cleared.2) there is better life in the after life (from wherever delusion they got it from)well if they are right, i have no concern, i should be happy then because whatever i do here will end me up at either (1) or (2) but... if they are wrong, they are screwed and my responsibility is to ensure not to screw up like them.suicide is selfish because it leave people behind in pain, mourn and waste time to do tribute videos. wife and children will have to find new support etc.

author: ve2mrx
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 01:38:37 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on June 02, 2019, 12:52:20 amWhat are you saying? That it's better to suffer because it's inconvenient for the survivors?So, if I follow your logic, someone suffering from bullying should let the bully continue because it's inconvenient for the bully?Or someone getting abused should not get law enforcement involved because it's an inconvenience to society?It's all about stopping the suffering. When you had enough and you haven't found another way, it's as good a way as another.As for the magical super guy, if he did nothing to stop your suffering, it's because he's OK with the consequences. The repercussions are part of "his plan".

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 02:24:47 am
content: Quote from: soldar on June 01, 2019, 08:14:35 pmThat describes exactly how I felt when I had depression, except add sadness and anxiety on top of it. TBH I still somewhat procrastinate or just feel unmotivated sometimes, but I know now I have to fight it. If I don't, it does eventually turn into depression. My worse weakness is when I have more than one thing that needs to be done, I absolutely want to get one of them done even though I'm not in the mood, so I'll refuse to work on the other thing, even though I feel more like it. Then I end up not doing either one. I try to avoid that now, if I think of doing something, I just do it, I don't think about it, and once it's done I feel accomplished. I had 2 weeks off work and had stuff I wanted to do... didn't end up doing it, BUT I ended up doing a whole bunch of other stuff that still had to be done anyway, so I still felt accomplished anyway and actually was productive.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 02:25:03 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on June 02, 2019, 12:52:20 amI don't know if there's an afterlife or not and neither does anyone else despite what they might claim. What I do know is that there is life here right now and I'm going to make sure to enjoy it rather than worry about what if anything might come later.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 03:29:34 am
content: Quote from: Marco on June 01, 2019, 09:33:19 pmI agree, saying "it's just chemistry" is, at it's most generous, not helping anything.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 03:35:33 am
content: Quote from: tooki on June 01, 2019, 07:48:35 pmNo. You do not get to dictate what my opinion is on anything, or whether not not I should express that opinion, ever.Heck, if I wasn't more "stick and stones" resilient, then I might just take that comment from a point of view of being, oh, I don't know, a victim perhaps, in which case I might think of it as some form ofmicro aggression...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 06:22:38 am
content: Quote from: james_s on May 31, 2019, 11:35:50 pmThe US health care system is just completely nuts. It unfortunately must lead to an increased suicide rate for those in that circumstance, not to mention simply dying from not being able to afford the care they need to keep them alive. Terrible

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 06:29:41 am
content: Quote from: bsfeechannel on June 01, 2019, 03:26:37 amOf course, that's why I said "can help" ("can take help" was typo), and I specifically said it can't solve everything. It unfortunately may not helpat allin many circumstances.But I'm sure there is no one that would seriously argue that having some financial saving is anything but a potentially good thing.I think people here seem to be thinking that somehow my advice here is going to prevent suicide, that is grossly far from what I intended, it's just some general life advice that may help with, and may, just may, in some situations potentially help prevent one where financial loss of job was a trigger for example, which is what I think makes it relevant here.QuoteThat goes without saying.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 06:42:25 am
content: Quote from: ve2mrx on June 01, 2019, 06:54:04 pmTopic of depression. HOPE THIS HELPS!1

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 06:42:31 am
content: Quote from: stevelup on June 01, 2019, 06:51:42 pmAnd therein lies the problem. You just took on financialriskfor something you didn't have to do, but just because you wanted it to feel nice. Which is fair enough, your choice.Ok, so you don't like a £500 car, fair enough, but what about a £20k car? Why did it have to be a £50k car?With this extra risk did you factor in losing your job?, or a downturn in the economy?, or both? or more?So many people don't analyse the risk of things going downhill, and it can cause them come-a-gutsa.When we bought our home the bank was willing to loan us over $1M without even haggling (two professionals, no kids), and we could have easily afforded the repayments, it would have gotten us somethingvery nice. But were weren't dumb enough to take that money, instead we borrowed only 1/3rd of that and bought within our means factoring in the freedom afforded by paying it off early, one of us, or both of us losing our job, the economy turning south, interest rates skyrocketing etc etc. The result down the track? I don't have to worry about Youtube taking away my monetisation, or all my advertertiser leaving, or Mrs EEVblog losing her job, we'll still get along ok.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 07:02:07 am
content: While I did drive a $500 car for 17 years, it was an unusual situation and when I bought it the seller thought there was something wrong it that wasn't so it should have been considerably more expensive. You can get lucky but generally speaking any car *that* cheap is going to need a pile of work done so it's only a sensible choice if you're mechanically inclined and want a project. At least that's the case here, I've heard that used cars are substantially cheaper in some other parts of the world, possibly areas where cars rust.That said, you can get a heck of a nice car for $4k-$8k which is a whole load cheaper than $40k+.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 am
content: Quote from: tooki on June 01, 2019, 07:48:35 pmThis is true, but as someone who has battled with depression (and whose mom was a psychologist): I think you might be missing the point. (And to be fair, I think Dave didn't say it very well.)No one's saying "grin and bear it", this is a complete strawman argument.There's a massive difference being a victim in your actual social circle, and actively looking for things to victimize in. In the former case, it's hard to get out of the situation (possibly, because the abuser is manipulating you into the social tie, or due to the fear that you lose whatever you have if you try to leave).Opposite example, if you find that someone disagrees with you in politics on Twitter, instead of calling hate crime, just ignore the stranger.Having seen some cases close, I know very well that many of the "victims" are actually strong sociopaths who have found victimization as a mean to have power, and manipulate their environment.So "victim" is a very problematic concept as it's almost always not black-and-white, good and bad situation.Be very careful not to mix these things up. And please do a favor and try to be extra objective whenever the words "victim" and "abuser" are involved. It's often not as perceived on the first glance.As a survivor from a fairly deep (although never suicidal) depression myself, a big part of my healing process was to recognize whenever I was victimizing myself. Even when I had a good reason to be a victim, it didn't help me the slightest. Real abuse is real abuse, yes, but there is a massive gray area. The idea of "getting over it" was a big part for my healing, and my councellor helped me on this. I was very lucky to find a good psychologist; it's not totally uncommon to have someone who "helps" by keeping up the victimization, since it's so easy and natural way to do if you feel empathetic. Worst case, but not unseen, the "victim" is just manipulating their empathetic councellor.Councelling can helpdealwith external world, but can only work frominsidethe person. Victimization is exactly a classic textbook example of a defense system, and if you are depressed, you need to analyze and work out these defenses in order to heal.All this doesn't mean real abuse doesn't exist. But, almost always, the right conclusion is still to get out of these situations. "Fight or flight" wisely. Look at Dave's intention: he describes, in a different post, that you should not allowanyabuse from your boss. It's a wise advice given with pride, and his means of coping with it (have a money buffer and proudly say "fuck it"), is a very pragmatic one, and a real solution to a real problem.

author: HardwareDude
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 08:20:16 am
content: I first stumbled upon Aussie50’s videos over 5 years ago. Fascinating stuff as I was also a tinkerer myself, albeit more electronics focused. In recent years I gravitated more towards bigclivedotcom and it was through his channel that I discovered the bad news.Lots of people here are harping on about loans, debt and living beyond one’s means. I’m not entirely convinced this was the only reason why Ed did what he did.Someone earlier commented on Ed’s living conditions in a video featuring Curie. In that video Ed said “who needs a hot water bottle when you got a dog.” I’m inferring Ed didn’t bother running expensive heating which saved a lot of money. In other videos of his, you can see he resides in a very modest weatherboard house, so it’s not like he is taking on a huge loan (or paying high rent) to live there.In terms of living beyond one’s means, it is pretty clear that Ed was not the type who bought flashy new things. It looks like most of his technical items were scavenged or salvaged. He seems to only spend money on tools and equipment when it is a necessity.Yes, he did drive a 2000 Merc ML270, but this was obviously secondhand and he did all the repairs and maintenance himself. The running costs would be far less than if the average person owned the same car and took it to a mechanic for servicing. Who said you needed wads of cash (or big loans) to own status symbols?In his last Christmas update video, he mentioned the situation with Patreon and social media giants being more oppressive with censorship of certain topics (i.e. politically correct, weapons/ammunition, etc). Oppression by government is one thing as people can vent their frustrations using free speech, often online. But when social media giants themselves are oppressing their users, one cannot simply vent their spleen online because they have already been blocked by social media giants! The likes of Google and Facebook are starting to become a law unto their own, and people such as Aussie50 are beginning to feel the pinch. If you have ever been banned by Facebook, you’ll know how devastating it can be mentally. Ed spent a decade making Youtube videos for monetisation. Imagine if a ‘Youtube law’ effectively caused all his videos to be demonetised, it would be a severe blow to one’s self esteem.Starting a new job after a period of unemployment can also cause frustrations. Even working in his area of expertise, for him to be performing work under management direction with time limits can be uninspiring. Yes, he would be earning a wage, but when you are a natural tinkerer and are forced to work under strict conditions, you would feel very constrained and unhappy. He even mentioned he barely had time to continue making videos because looking after Curie was already taking up most of his spare time.Seasonal changes might also have been a catalyst. About two weeks ago we had an unseasonably warm streak of fine days in Melbourne, then all of a sudden things became wintry and bleary. It’s only the start of winter, but don’t discount Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD).I see a number of factors at play and it is unfortunate they have all coalesced into the perfect storm for depression.RIP Aussie50, you will be sorely missed.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 08:23:56 am
content: Quote from: ve2mrx on June 02, 2019, 01:38:37 amyou got it wrong. bully or other criminals like rape or anything that make other people feel bad should get reported and punished if necessary to avoid from happening again. this is human intelligent to act accordingly, no need super super thing to manage it for us or intervene. dont be like kid expecting to get spoon feed at the armchair. brain is given so use it wisely. in school we have teacher to support bully victim, outside we have families and friends etc etc. i was talking pain and suffering that will be experienced by families, friends, wife, children etc that are left behind, i was not talking about suffering of the bully. if you cant convey your problem to others properly, then its you who have the problem. if others cant support or recognize problem, its their problem. all these comes down to education about "the way of life", to all people the victim, families, friends and the even to criminal. if education is right and all people play their role, not all these nonsense happening.Quote from: ve2mrx on June 02, 2019, 01:38:37 amtypical...Quote from: Mechatrommer on May 30, 2019, 10:40:08 pmwhat if i tell you the lesson is given, but is not taken, because brain is not utilized properly. you are given hands and legs for what? you are given brain for what? we want a solution thats only desirable to us, but then it wont solve anything anyway. if you expect a glowing hand comes down from the sky solving anything while you sit in the house, then you are delusional. that why we dont really encourage people to listen to songs or watching movies up to a point got affected by its lyrics, poems etc. we tell our kids what is real and what is fantasy, and how to deal with reality appropriately. so when they grown up they have strong foundation, however hard they are going through however funny things will come across their mind... if anything fails, there is the final and last standing backup... it has something to do with...Quote from: Mechatrommer on June 02, 2019, 12:52:20 am"some" people said we are designed to be connected to our creator, i wont say more. if you like, just call it plainly a bullshit, no need keyboard warriors providing links or long materials to disprove. i dont need any proof to prove my point, only this thread.btw sorry if this sound harsh, but sometime soft soft talk will not be able to solve this anyway... cheers.Quote from: HardwareDude on June 02, 2019, 08:20:16 amyou cannot judge people from his surrounding. this is heart problem, expectation, desire etc, these things cannot be seen.

author: Chris2019
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 01:01:42 pm
content: I've only joined to say just how crushed I am at this news. I started watching Ed's videos in 2009 and I never imagined something this awful ever happening.Ed sacrificed in his personal life and his comfort so that he could pursue the hobbies that actually brought him joy. I don't know what happened along the way, but I can only imagine something truly devastating must have come about.We all need to take better care of each other.Chris

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 02:32:56 pm
content: Quote from: HardwareDude on June 02, 2019, 08:20:16 amI saw that and I wonder what is politically incorrect on the things that he does in his videos?Showing us things and blowing up stuff.Earning revenue on all your videos and one day for it to stop sounds devastating and I think I watched a video last year about that happening to a comedian named Bart Baker. He said in it that he can no longer make as much videos as he use to as they were not cheap to make and said something about Youtube classing it as not family friendly and loosing his monetising.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 03:06:53 pm
content: Many Youtubers have had to face the risk of demonetization of their videos on really unfair and arbitrary decisions. This guyhttps://www.youtube.com/user/historichunter/videostests mousetraps and he cannot show the mousetrap killing a mouse or rat. Many of his videos were flagged and demonetized so he would put a link to the video in his own site but now he cannot do even that. It is totally ridiculous.https://youtu.be/5V5-cGrwrAc?t=1He has had to tread very carefully and adapt his videos to work around the censors.In the meanwhile you can still see videos proposing dangerous stunts or dangerous experiments like "get free energy by disconnecting the neutral wire and connecting it to a water pipe" type of thing. Those are OK but dog forbid we see how a mouse trap in action.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 03:37:10 pm
content: What we need is a P2P content distribution system that's immune to that sort of problem - it already exists as Bittorrent. Something a lot harder is how to find the good content out of all the junk, but I suppose one way would be to have centralized systems upvote/downvote content as it does now (with a reason attached to the points) and leave it up to the users what points to use and what to ignore. Then the scoring system would have to reject actual junk but not interfere with good content too often, as the latter would cause the points to be ignored.

author: sokoloff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 03:53:39 pm
content: P2P distribution as a replacement for YouTube ignores the fundamental issue: advertisers want to advertise on a centralized platform that compiles information about the viewers and allows them to do demographic targeting.It's not that we can't find other ways to move thebits; the crucial element is how to move themoney.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 04:06:22 pm
content: What % of the ad revenue on Youtube actually goes towards the creators? I recall it's not that much, hence the rise of Patreon and then competing services like Subscribestar.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 07:10:26 pm
content: What the reason for Aussie50´s suicide was so far, remains speculation. People tend to maintain an online persona for practical reasons, so trying to guess things from there is highly speculative.Quote from: NiHaoMike on June 02, 2019, 03:37:10 pmWhen people used to provide their own webservers this could be seen similar in case, but the payment processing alone was not there, also it would require skills to run a webserver, so that got outrun (in terms of registered users, upload quantity and time/attention spent) by huge platforms that solved those problems for content creators. What they also solved was enabling monetization for content that was otherwise hardly monetizable (especially bits of education and entertainment), by positioning themselves and the content creators into the value creation stream of advertisement (or at least pulling it in their direction).I don´t think it would cheer many people up when they only get to see any content after paying or only see a single type of content. Which means it would not solve the problem of content creators trying to live from that. There are niches of course, like tutoring and actual qualification, but thats a different kind of relation between customer and service provider.Anyhow, the call for completely unregulated content distribution is a problem in itself, because any copycat could try to distribute your content, trying to get paid for the freeloading. So actually you want some form of control, should you also want to have a financial benefit from it.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 07:59:38 pm
content: What's to stop creators using services like Subscribestar as they do now but with Bittorrent for content distribution? In fact, Bittorrent is likely the most economical choice for full bitrate "master quality" 4K video.

author: ResR
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 08:13:12 pm
content: I never would have guessed him to have depression, Ed seemed such a fun loving guy with lots of talent and resources. His flaming washing machine was legendary. R.I.P.

author: Vell
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 08:20:44 pm
content: Being a newbie to this wonder of a forum, I knew nothing of Ed, but any suicide is tragic. I'm quite sorry to learn about another.Fellow named Simon Lapinbleu on an obscure blog that has been my online "home" for years* died too soon. He was a thoroughly amazing guy, and went, too young. *Howthingswork@Yahoogroups.com

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 09:48:10 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 02, 2019, 03:29:34 amI would like to point out, that the sentence was used in a much longer paragraph. There is no point in commenting phrases taken out of context.tl;dr: the paragraph is about judging people with depression. The primary reason people avoid seeking help — with obvious consequences. And the whole post is quite opposite of what Marco has presented it as.Quote from: EEVblog on June 02, 2019, 03:35:33 amI am pretty sure that was a request to learn before expressing an opinion, not about not having an opinion.However, I don’t see a reason why tooki should be dictated, if they can express their opinions about expressing opinions.In particular if they react to myths about depression being spread. Behaviour, that is directly causing hundreds thousand deaths every year. Not the health care system(1), not loans, not banks, not children being not taught “proper <whatever>”, not any scapegoat which people try to find in this thread — recklessness in expressing thoughts is exactly the thing that seals the fate of most suiciders.____(1) Except for countries with no decent health care at all, mostly what is known as “third world countries”.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 10:37:09 pm
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 amMaybe I am, but I don't think so.Quote from: Siwastaja on June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 amNo, not in the slightest.If you look at thehistory of the saying, it was literally used to teach victims to not retaliate. If that's not telling the victims to "grin and bear it", I don't know what is!!!The full saying is "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me". It literally is taught to kids as a way to teach them that verbal abuse isn't "real" abuse, that words can't injure. That promotes the myth that psychological harm isn't harm, since it's not physical. Teachers tell it to the victims of bullying, which not only invalidates their suffering, but also teaches the bullies that it's OK since it's not "real" harm. It also sends the message that victims who are unable to just "let it go" have something wrong with them for being unable to get over it.Quote from: Siwastaja on June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 amI am very much opposed to professional victims and SJWs, since they diluterealcases of abuse or victimization, and confuse and embolden people who can't tell the difference.Quote from: Siwastaja on June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 amFor sure. There are victims and there are "victims".Quote from: Siwastaja on June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 amSure, especially when confusing victims and "victims".Quote from: Siwastaja on June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 amAs someone who was bullied terribly as a kid, and who abhors fake victims, I'm acutely aware of the difference. I'm notentirelysure that Dave does.Quote from: Siwastaja on June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 amI kinda alluded to part of this when I mentioned how one canfeelbadeven while your intellectual brain knows it's not true.Quote from: Siwastaja on June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 amA lot of people who have very strong personalities (like Dave) struggle to understand the nature of mental illness, and often end up perceiving it as mental "weakness" (a character flaw) and subject to influence. They're the ones who tell us to "pull ourselves together" and stop wallowing, because they simply do not understand how depression, etc. work since they've never had their mind work against them...Regardless, not everyone with mental illness has the strength to say "fuck it". On the contrary, depending on the type of condition, the lack of mental strength may be the core issue.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 10:46:21 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on June 02, 2019, 09:48:10 pmWhile that might be true for people far down that path, it's easier to find out why the small group with severe suicidal thoughts avoid human contact than why the much larger group of people with depressive thoughts never got to that point. Can you say that there is not a doubt in your mind that always treating suicide in a morality free manner won't push that much larger group towards it? Because I think it will.You shouldn't kill yourself and spread misery to innocent people in the process ... it's wrong.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 11:06:07 pm
content: Quote from: Marco on June 02, 2019, 10:46:21 pmOne reason people avoid seeking help is because of the stigma attached to a mental health diagnosis. As I mention above, many strong-willed people do not understand it, and see people with mental illness as having weak characters (as in, they think wechooseto be ill).Quote from: Marco on June 02, 2019, 10:46:21 pmIn anearlier reply of mine, I mention how "When somebody says something nice about you, the depression tells you they're lying." So even if family and friends tell you how important you are to them, the depression tells you that it's not sincere. As such, far be it from suicide being "selfish", to the suicidal person, they feel they're a burden and that others will be better off without them. They don't think that their suicide would "spread misery to innocent people", but actuallyeliminatea source of it! A suicidal person is both tired of being miserable, and is tired of seeing the trouble their misery causes.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 11:14:36 pm
content: Quote

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 11:47:30 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on June 02, 2019, 03:37:10 pmhttps://www.bitchute.com/eevblog/

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 02, 2019, 11:50:28 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on June 02, 2019, 04:06:22 pmYoutube is a 50/50 split.Youtubers don't complain about that, never have.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 12:05:15 am
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on June 02, 2019, 07:20:53 amCorrect, I'm not exactly a scholar.What I mean by learning "sticks and stones" isobviouslynot just turning a blind eye to abuse and just always "suck it up".As Siwastaja pointed out, I specially tell peoplenotto take abuse.What learning stick'n'stones is all about is teaching kids there are options they can take when dealing with this stuff. It adds to your toolkit of options when dealing with problems in life.Sometimes it is appropriate to just ignore someone and/or their comment, other times you might tell them to F-off, other times you might make fun of them and/or the situation and laugh it off, other time you might turn the tables on them, other times you might try and discuss it and reason with them, in extreme cases you might take it physical and punch the bully in the face, and other times you might indeed want to report it and get someone else's help to resolve the issue.The problem with the modern "victim culture" is that it is not teaching kids there is an option to just ignore someone or some comment you find "offensive" or "abusive" or a "micro aggression". And that the the only / best way to deal with it is to take offense and feel "victimised" or whatever and try to get someone else or the system to protect you, maybe providing a "safe space" where it supposedly can't happen to begin with. This is terrible approach and it's now spreading like a cancer on society, often destroying people's lives, destroying companies and institutions etc.Twitter is FULL of people acting like victims at every single comment they find offensive, so step in Jack to save their blue checkmarked arse.

author: HardwareDude
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 03:15:42 am
content: Quote from: tooki on June 02, 2019, 10:37:09 pmYes, true. We tinkerers, engineers, technicians, coders and scientists tend to almost always have a solution for most technical problems. But when mental issues arise, we have no DIY solution and tend to keep it to ourselves. As we are seen as experts in our technical field, it would be perceived to be ‘weak’ to seek external assistance for mental issues. Many are too ‘proud’ to seek help, and this mentality must be broken.I will also re-iterate the issue of social media giants being partly responsible.Whilst Dave has gone to the effort of setting up a semi-pro home studio, Aussie50 is doing it literally in true backyard style, in his garage workshop. They are at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of outlay to support their ‘hobby’, although each is remunerated accordingly.The major difference is Dave chooses to make semi-pro content that tends to be more politically correct. This content is suitable for affiliation (e.g. Amazon) in addition to standard Youtube monetisation. Aussie50’s style is radically different, and many potential sponsors obviously wouldn’t put their name to footage featuring blatant equipment destruction and carnage (even though it is thoroughly entertaining to many viewers). Aussie50 doesn’t review products like Dave, so affiliation and sponsorship wouldn’t work there. Patreon seemed like the ideal solution at the time, but when it started leaning towards political correctness, it unintentionally harmed the likes of Aussie50.The real issue here is the corporate online giants are unfairly discriminating against content makers such as Aussie50. Both Dave and Aussie50’s videos have their merits, but unfortunately the powers-that-be have decided to favour one over another in the name of ‘social acceptance’. I find it disturbing that non-governmental organisations are increasingly trying to push their own social and political policies without approval from the general public, unlike an election where people can actually have their say (voting).The changing agendas of big social media giants are to blame for despair and depression in content makers. Despite starting a new job, I think Aussie50 much preferred making videos for an income, and that is the thing that is slowly being taken away from him. When Google and Patreon effectively disapproved of him partaking in his favourite (paid) hobby of entertaining others, some of life's purposes are effectively removed.I hazard to guess if Patreon and Youtube didn’t take action akin to clipping Aussie50’s wings, he would have been a much happier person. And so would countless others in his situation.

author: bloguetronica
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 03:32:15 am
content: Quote from: HardwareDude on June 03, 2019, 03:15:42 amYou have a point there. The pervasiveness of the PC culture is quite depressing. Quora is there too, to the point that anyone that answers to controversial subjects might get flagged, and ultimately banned. This will eventually be my doom, if Blogger decides to follow suit (although I don't write frequently about political subjects on my blog - my blog is mainly about electronics, but I already vented there once or twice). The PC culture is not creating diversity, but destroying it, along with free speech. It will eventually destroy freedom of though, if nothing is done about it.It is this ingratitude, this kind of callousness, this rejection of one's life work, that leads to despair. An Orwellian scenario is perhaps the next step. And burning books.Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 03:44:04 am
content: Quote from: HardwareDude on June 03, 2019, 03:15:42 amErr, what action did Patreon take? He had an active Patreon page:https://www.patreon.com/aussie50And is there any evidence of Youtube demonetisation or shaddow banning of Aussie50's channel?https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/aussie50/monthlyThere was a decline in his views around April 2018, but this could be due to a natural drop in his own content or other factors? (my channel show the same drop around the same time BTW)It actually picked up recently, and he was not wanting for subscriber growth with continual sub growth that never looks to have slowed down.Sorry but I can't see any blame by Youtube or Patreon here in the slightest.And there seems to be a common view these days that a Youtube channel not being popular is somehow due "the algorithm" or "shadow banning" or some other thing (those things are real BTW, don't want to say they aren't) when there are many factors like general channel appeal, change in content, type of content, frequency of content, style of presentation, growth of competing channels, shift in algorithm that has nothing to do with actual type of content etc etc. Dozens of factors.Heck, my channel hasdroppedfrom being ranked around 5,000th in the world to around 20,000 in the world now.QuoteThere is zero evidence for that. The advertisers don't give a rats arse about channels like mine and Aussie50's, they only care when some blue checkmark twitter SJW kicks up a stink and targets them.And Google Adwords does not work like that. Advertisers target keywords and demographics and Youtube does the magic to put the ads on the appropriate content.For Aussie50's videos to have been blocked, Youtube would have to had put a manual block on it, or advertisers would have had to have put a manual exclude on his channels.I'm sure that Aussie50 would have been getting similar CPM ad revenue to me, it's just that his channel is smaller (for dozens of reasons), and hence gets less views and correspondingly less revenue.QuoteIf you are talking about the drop in revenue due to the Patreon Sagon banning scandal then the general consensus among non-politically affiliated channels like our is that the drop was only fairly minor, and most recovered after a while.Looking at his Patreon, yes there was a sudden drop, but then there also a gradual decline, and that other channels didn't see that, it was just the one drop at the time. So that decline was due to other factors. Perhaps he made less videos, or less appealing videos over time?UPDATE: That drop is not correspond with the Patreon scandal which was Dec 2018.Also, he only has one post on Patreon, from Dec 2017, so he made no effort to post early video or any other posts on Patreon. Not surprising it slowly dropped off.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 07:48:42 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 03, 2019, 12:05:15 amThe measured, case by case approach you describe in detail is absolutely sensible. But as I said, the sticks and stones rhyme isliterally a teaching tool against retaliation. So choosing that as your shorthand for “just say no to victim culture” is completely off the mark, and my taking it to mean “grin and bear it” is absolutely reasonable.That said, depression has little to do with the “victim culture” we all abhor (though if you ask me, it’s not nearly as big a real-world problem as twitter and tumblr — the home of the worst kind of SJWs — would lead us to believe). Yes, victim culture can exacerbate the problem in people already suffering from some issues, but it’s not going to cause depression in anyone who doesn’t already have it.

author: sokoloff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 08:27:23 am
content: Quote from: tooki on June 03, 2019, 07:48:42 amI view it as a teaching tool fordirectly"not giving a %#&@ if/what someone else name-calls you" which thenindirectlyprevents retaliation. Once you ignore it, there's nothing left to bear.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 08:42:40 am
content: Quote from: tooki on June 03, 2019, 07:48:42 amYes I totally agree, it's not going to cause it. But, I do have a feeling that it can substantially prevent healing and getting forward in your life, once you are depressed for whatever reason.By the way, I'm a strong believer in the classical, analytical notion that depression is often fundamentally caused by (fairly early) childhood ties, especially with mother, and early childhood events. Because it's the safety and caring youfeelin childhood which gives you ability to feel safe, and care (both about yourself, and others) as well.Also, most cases of depression pop up later in life. While it's true that saying "deal with it"to a depressed personis atrocious and totally unhelpful, I don't think Dave or anyone else suggested that. It's a completely different matter when taught as a coping tool for a mentally healthy kid. Then, it's one of the many tools they can use to cope later. Of course, you need to be careful not to teach them to be bullies (and proud of it), so context and the big picture is everything.

author: Siwastaja
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 08:56:40 am
content: Quote from: tooki on June 02, 2019, 10:37:09 pmBe careful with this assumption.For example, if you take a look at some of my posts, you'll find some very strong, assertive, almost aggressive posts, and a lot of confidence. I was even worse before I started writing here. I have had people around me who have (incorrectly) assumed that this aspect of my communication means that I'm unemphatetic, or psychopathic, or worst, a "free target" for them to release their bad energy. This has led to some not-so-nice flame wars, IRL and online. Actually, while the "opponents" won't see it, I do feel quite strongly and emotionally, and I usually don't feel too proud after using strong words or being part of such discussions, feeling bad afterwards could go on for days. So these things took a real toll on me and fed the depression.Dave's probably very different, but it can be very hard to see on the outside. How do you know? How do you verify your claim?

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 09:20:05 am
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on June 03, 2019, 08:42:40 amI think it reeeealllly depends on the situation.Quote from: Siwastaja on June 03, 2019, 08:42:40 amI think you're confusing trauma (as in PTSD) with depression. Clinical depression, while it can beaffectedby triggers, does not come about from outside forces. If something triggers one's depression, anxiety, etc., then the condition wasalready therebefore the trigger.Quote from: Siwastaja on June 03, 2019, 08:42:40 amWhat makes you get that idea?!? I don't think that's trueat all. Depression is extremely common in teenagers, and often, people who are diagnosed with depression (or other disorders) as adults are able to look back and recall having the symptoms as kids, just without knowing what they were.Quote from: Siwastaja on June 03, 2019, 08:42:40 amWell, how do you (as a teacher, for example) know which kids are mentally healthy enough to use it as a tool, and which are not able to? There are, IMHO, better coping mechanisms than this. First and foremost, "deal with it" dismisses the victim's feelings, which is never, ever helpful. (Any shrink will tell you that acknowledging that feelings and their effectsarereal, even if those feelings are logically unjustified, is a necessary step to moving forward. Modern psychotherapy frequently uses a method called Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, in which a person learns to identify problem behaviors and learn methods to intervene. But the first step in this is to learn to accurately identify the feelings that lead up to an unwanted behavior, so that your logical brain can intervene and say "oh, we are entering X situation, let's apply coping mechanism Y now before it gets too bad".)When working at the fruit stand (computer store), they taught a number of superb tools for dealing with problem customers, and the one that we employees lovingly referred to as the "jedi mind trick" is the "three A's" for dealing with an upset customer, which is "acknowledge, align, and assure". It goes like this:1. Acknowledge that the customer is upset: "I can see that you are angry".2. Align yourself with their position: "I'd be upset, too, if that had happened to me."3. Assure them that you will get the problem resolved: "Don't worry, I will get this solved for you."(Unlisted step 4: Solve the problem.)The first A works like magic, because people go into such situations expecting to not be taken seriously and to be told to "calm down" (which only makes people angrier). Being told that you see their anger psychologically means you seethem, and this is astoundingly important, and it lets all the wind out of their sails. It shows that you aren't dismissing them.When you have a kid being bullied, the last thing one should be doing is telling the victim that they're wrong for feeling upset at being bullied. But that's exactly what "sticks and stones", "boys will be boys" and other such sayings do. They absolve the bullies and the teachers, who think they're helping and that this concludes their responsibility. Combined with policies that punish victims equally for defending themselves (never mind actual bona fide retaliation), and you create a situation where victims of bullying are supposed to take the bullying in silence, with no material support from anyone, while the bullies themselves get off scot-free.(And yes, I've been suspended for defending myself from bullies. My mom told me to enjoy those free vacation days...)Anyhow, though, I still don't think that depression, anxiety, and related disorders stem from abuse as such. They just... are. They're in you already, if you have them. AndAnyhow, though, none of this changes the fact that modern SJW-style victim culture has nothing to do with mental illness, IMHO. Does it produce whiney crybabies? Possibly. (We do know that helicopter parenting causes issues later on.) But above all, it's just another venue for bullies to do their bullying, just under the guise of sensitivity. Do we really think SJWs think about the things they rant about? No. It's just virtue signaling to boost their egos and a way to oppress others. So I'm vehemently against this, I just don't want this being used as a justification for enabling bullying, which is what encouraging "sticks and stones" is IMHO, and that's what Dave was suggesting.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 09:25:55 am
content: Quote from: Siwastaja on June 03, 2019, 08:56:40 amWell, I did say "a lot", not "all".But your point is fair. I come across to a lot of people as confident and aloof, assertive to the point of often being seen as hurtful or aggressive (even when this is absolutely unintended), yet I am deeply unconfident on the inside. And as someone who is sensitive and kind, it hurts me when I unintentionally hurt others, so I totally know what you are saying.I guess the people I'm thinking of are the ones who not only exhibit strong personalities in general, but also hint at being dismissive of mental illness. (Or, as in the case of my last boss, are outright dismissive of it and say that they think people should just man up. I am so glad I never have to work for her again...)

author: Jimmy
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 10:47:07 am
content: Sadly I have experienced the same thoughts when I was about 35. Instead of suicide I chose to speak to my Dr about it. Best thing I ever did. Yes I did end up in hospital and they wouldn't let me leave for a while but I did. Everything in the hospital made it worse for me. Sit in this room and listen to music if you feel angry made me furious.In the end you just have to pick your place in society. Know that everyone else's life is a clusterfuck. Goto a physiatrist in Aus you doc can refer you for a couple of free sessions.If a friend comes to you about it never joke about it. Get them help immediately like while you can see them.https://www.ruok.org.au/

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 11:46:41 am
content: Quote from: tooki on June 03, 2019, 07:48:42 amSure is. Glad you agree. End of discussion.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 11:58:30 am
content: It would be nice, Dave, if you'd actuallyattemptto understand what I said (from my first comment on), instead of doubling down on "la la la see i was right all along". Are you replying to understand and discuss, or just to see others burn? So no, discussion not over, since I'm agreeing to what you said much later, not what you originally said.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 02:04:45 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on June 03, 2019, 11:58:30 amYes, it is. It takes two and I'm not interested any more. Continue with someone else if you want.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 02:07:25 pm
content: Quote from: Jimmy on June 03, 2019, 10:47:07 amYes, that's a fairly high profile campaign here in Oz, plastered all over the national media. Even my local gym had RUok T-Shirts and balloons etc.I wonder if anyone asked Aussie50?Do other countries have something similar?

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 02:31:50 pm
content: I dont think anyone posted this already.Dave with the screw you money suggest to strengthen the "safety needs" layer. Very good advice, I live by it myself, I've used it myself. When a company successfully destroyed my "self-realisation layer", and started hurting my "self esteem". I realized what is happening, and went somewhere else.If the youtube algorithm is messing with you, it attacks you on several layers at the same time. If you said something by accident, upsetting some people, who attack you personally, and youtube kicks out you from your channel, you lose Safety (income is gone), Esteem (personally attacked) and Self realisation (since you did that through your videos). Very very hard, I can totally see how it would drag someone down

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 02:41:57 pm
content: QuoteI think it strengthens the Esteem layer too. It gives you a sense of "freedom" and "(financial) strength", and often gets you "respect" and "status" too. More than once when I haven't bent over at work and taken it, and told them along the lines of "I don'tneedthis job", I suddenly have gotten a bit more respect. Maybe not from the boss, who secretly doesn't respect you, but just shuts up to stop you leaving and making their life harder. But from the other employees along the lines of "Geeze, Dave doesn't take any shit!".Quote from: NANDBlog on June 03, 2019, 02:31:50 pmIt should be noted that this didn't apply to Aussie50 (AFAIK)

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 03:11:09 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 29, 2019, 11:17:05 pmJust spotted this thread and was an avid watcher of his for a few years (oddly enough when I was going through my own really dark time).Don't be too sure it wasn't a lack of resources. Yes, he'd have to want to seek out help, but then there's a pretty damn tight limit as to how much he'd be able to access and whether that would do any good before he reached the limit.The Aussie system gives you only a limited amount of support (10 rebate-able sessions per year). I have several friends who are pretty hard up, and they get their yearly quota of support and then they're on their own for the next 9 months. Heck, when I was bad those 10 sessions would have had me out the door in just over a month, and I'd still be looking for a bus to lie under. One of my mates took 5 visits just to find someone he could talk to ( took me 3 ). Psychologists are like shoes, sometimes you have to try on quite a few before you find one that fits comfortably.I don't know where that 9 billion is going, but I'm positive a load of it is getting siphoned off somewhere. Making the emotive and completely irrationally naive comparison, that's roughly 2 sessions per Australian per year. Let's say I know 50 people in my immediate contact. 3 of those are seeking out mental health services right now. If you break that up as a proportion of our greater population that'd be 28 sessions a year for those that seek out help. Yes I know these numbers are stupid and meaningless, but so is suicide.Me? I'm lucky I can afford to seek out quality support, although I'm pretty sure over the last 10 years I've bought my psychologist a new house. I'm still here to pay the bill.I've become a firm believer in the fact (from where I sit anyway) that a person who hasn't been through it can't truly understand it. Very much to their credit I've seen plenty try and fail. Just raising awareness is a good thing, and anyone can do that. Best thing I ever did was sit down with my GP and ask for help.Terribly sad news.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 03:26:06 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on June 03, 2019, 09:20:05 am.Quote

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 03:41:57 pm
content: The way the system responds it's no wonder people go to lengths to hide it. Who wants to be imprisoned in a hospital? Just the thought of that is depressing.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 04:23:49 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on June 03, 2019, 09:20:05 amTo expand on this, depression, sadness, trauma are different things. The opposite of depression is not happiness. The opposite of depression is vitality, desire to live and experience living. The opposite of sadness is happiness. The opposite of trauma is ... I can't think of a word but let us say "no trauma", "being whole". The three things are usually related but they are different things on different scales.Depression is not a yes/no thing but a range. Depression can be triggered or worsened by circumstances and can also be ameliorated by circumstances.Just like happiness can be made better or worse by circumstances.And trauma can be made better or worse by circumstances.All three things are related more or less strongly. A person with a certain risk of depression can live a relatively normal life if things go well while another person with the same risk or amount of depression can be much more depressed if subjected to sad or traumatic events.Depression is hereditary. A woman I dated when I was young, her mother was so depressed she spent most of her days in bed as she could not even find the will to get out of bed. Now, 40 years later, my friend has retired after a successful career as a doctor, a successful marriage and having raised two daughters. But she is very depressive and has to manage that very carefully. She makes sure she is busy every single minute of the day. She does not allow herself a single minute to sit down and ponder about life because she knows where that leads. She has a very strict regime of exercise and meals. And she manages all these things in her life with absolute discipline.She is lucky that she can do it and being in a good financial situation helps a lot. Another person with the same depressive tendency but without family support, without financial security, might have thrown in the towel. Every person is a whole, entirely different world.Quote

author: sokoloff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 05:01:48 pm
content: Quote from: soldar on June 03, 2019, 04:23:49 pmThe actual Thoreau quote is:QuoteThough I find the substitution of "quite" to be amusing as well...

author: japasetelagoas
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 05:35:24 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 03, 2019, 02:07:25 pmBrazil recently adopted a phone line to assist people with depression and suicidal thoughts.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 06:30:28 pm
content: I know that there's a suicide hotline in the US, I have no idea what happens if you call it though. If I were feeling gloomy the last thing I'd want to do is call up some stranger on the phone but I guess it appeals to some people.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 06:53:45 pm
content: I believe it's just so you can talk to SOMEONE without feeling embarrassed. I believe they can also summon further help for you. Never called one but that's usually how hotlines like that work.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 09:54:08 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on June 03, 2019, 02:07:25 pmThere is a suicide prevention hotline, i´ve seen ads for it. Might be a very good option to talk to people instead of going the full circus.Victim culture is somewhat like the overreaction that remains after leaving an abusive environment or when exposed to similar behavior afterwards. Victims exist, abusive environments exist, but there are also narcissists playing the victim role loud and publicly. If you are in an abusive environment you usually do not want this exposed and pulling yourself together is what you do any day anyway except it lead to a nervous breakdown (not sure if that makes people post on twitter, probably not) - it is not as if saying this would push people over the edge, but it does not change much and might be the wrong reaction for someone asking for advice or help (the right kind of help, not some excuse or secondary problem).When i was very young, I´ve seen a classmate being bullied a lot, his grades dropped (being bullied is not helpful with that), so he had to go to another school, then the same guys tried with me. I learned a lot during this time, especially how that gray zone works and that narcissists and psychopaths can not leave things, they have to escalate and turn things into shit. The only way to get along is like ignoring them, which leads to more escalation. Unfortunately you can not save up money and go to a different school - if you are a bit stubborn you would not even want to, because why would you bear the disadvantages for other people´s behavior.It gets interesting if you are accused of/asserted mental illnesses you don´t have - by people that take whatever advantage of doing so - and i am not talking about living in denial here.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 03, 2019, 11:12:11 pm
content: Quote from: SparkyFX on June 03, 2019, 09:54:08 pmI've had almost exactly this happen to me. An entire clique/friend group decided to target me, I don't know why, and I ended up being expelled from school and sent to an institution with actual... troubled individuals. I only got stuck there for a few days since nothing was actually wrong with me but I still was forced into home schooling. When I returned to school everybody who remembered me had stories about me and so I decided to test out ASAP instead of dealing with that for 4 years.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 12:07:17 am
content: That's tricky because great numbers of mentally ill people think that they are fine and the rest of the world is crazy. Just look at all the nutty conspiracy theorists out there, is bet that the vast majority view themselves as perfectly sane and rational.

author: ptricks
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 12:09:15 am
content: I have had depression for now 30+ years , a few things I learned that helped me the most:CBT - cognitive behavioral therapy , basically you are what you think. I was a black and white thinker, all good or bad, didn't see the gray areas. People that do this tend to use words like never or always when bad things happen. I "never" do things right. Well that isn't true, you might fail sometimes, but never is very absolute and if you say it enough you will start to think it is true.Beware of thinking too much, depressed people tend to dwell on things. If you have to , set a timer and allow yourself 5 minutes to think about things, at the end of the 5 minutes go for a walk, play with a dog, do something that doesn't allow you to just sit and think.Go around other people, depressed people usually hate to be around people and like to isolate which makes things worse. You don't have to go to a party, just get out of the house for a few minutes at a time.Environment is a big one. If you are depressed and living in a situation where you are constantly being stressed by people or conditions you need to change your environment. I have never heard of a single depressed person getting better when their environment was stressed by abuse , drugs , alcohol, other people.Take one day at a time.Don't get caught up in worrying about tomorrow and forget to live for today.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 12:25:22 am
content: I've always had difficulty dealing with black & white absolute thinkers. To me nothing is purely black or white, everything is shades of gray. Even Hitler had some redeeming qualities and positive accomplishments, that doesn't even remotely mean he was a good person, simply that nothing is absolute. Even the best and most noble and admired people have negative aspects.

author: Quarlo Klobrigney
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 01:05:52 am
content: I just hope he didn't take his dog with him.All the signs were there, now that I look at his videos.I never heard of him before. Some good videos there.Sad tale of a "man in a box" that he couldn't get out of, at least alone.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 02:12:06 am
content: Quote from: Quarlo Klobrigney on June 04, 2019, 01:05:52 amHe didn't, the dog is safe with family.

author: Tangent_Tracker
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 08:20:11 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2019, 01:07:20 amIt is a void that few understand. I think people think they do, but they don't. You realise this when they suggest not to worry, or just get on with it... I think people often confuse sadness with depression and while a sad person can feel depressed for a short period of time, it is not the same thing. RIP fella.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 11:17:43 am
content: Quote from: james_s on June 04, 2019, 12:07:17 amYes, and there is a simple distinction between an actual diagnosis and accusations/assertions - it is not brought up as topic by perpetrators themselves and kept in circulation by them. Even if it was the naked truth (next to indiscreetness on medical data), or at least reasonable, in itself such things are more or less a tragedy, but not a justification for whatever assault comes next. Of course people talk... all kinds of gossip, but only some try to use such an accusation and the associated stigma like a weapon, hence in their favor.The nutty storytellers are surely a part of the whole spectrum, i assume psychological extreme situations do make some neurons misfire and draw outlandish conclusions and actually believe strange stuff. That would not even be unusual in the face of drug use and abuse, which probably causes plenty of these problems by itself - actually drug induced psychosis is a thing - i don´t know, i never did, i don´t even drink much.Logical reasoning and unmistakable communication skills however are a whole different story... probably next to start writing manifestos, but we´re heading right into off-topic land here.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 06:42:26 pm
content: But how does one get an actual diagnosis if they believe they are completely sane? It requires those around them to identify the possible mental illness and push them to consult with a professional, unless they commit a crime and are forced into diagnosis/treatment through that route.I'd never heard of people banding up to falsely accuse someone of mental illness, I'm not saying it doesn't or didn't happen but that's certainly an odd occurrence.I do have a former friend who spiraled into paranoid schizophrenia, as of the last time I encountered him he was firmly convinced that his friends and family were all involved in some kind of big conspiracy out to get him. He was behaving very erratically and doing things like just randomly showing up at my house on a weeknight wanting to hang out, talking about weird things, just all around acting odd and kind of creepy. In his head though I'm sure he thinks that he's sane and everyone else has gone crazy and is accusing him of being ill.

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 06:53:49 pm
content: I think it's fairly complicated, maybe that's obvious since it's the human brain, but I've had friends of friends who were diagnosed with disorders and they were aware that they had a problem but that didn't help them, overall, feel any differently. As for using accusations as weapons I don't know if people are just paranoid or they hate others but it definitely happens as I've experienced. I think in my case nobody questioned the accusers they acted like they were victims (I had been friends with the people 3 years prior and we just moved apart over time). So administrators said ok believe them call the cops. Cops said ok believe them he's out of here. You want to know what their damning evidence was? I had a graphing calculator(I was in honors program) and I had drawn the first episode of family guy like a comic.Edit: This is part of why I really dislike when people make unqualified accusations about the president. You're free to feel how you want but it's an accusation to discredit someone when you have no argument and absolutely no way to judge him. Baseless accusations are a huge part of society now and I think it's pathetic.

author: edy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 08:34:41 pm
content: Read most of the thread, and saddened as well to hear about this tragic event. I haven't watched Aussie50's videos but he seems like he had a fantastic channel and I might start watching some videos to see if it fits my interests.I think everyone goes through times when things are bad and especially when it starts to form a negative feedback loop it will sink your mood down a rabbit hole faster and faster, creating a vicious circle. A social support network helps (whether it is family, friends, religious group, etc) as they may recognize a change in your behavior and be able to pull you out early or find help, but even that is no guarantee of escape. It is even more difficult when you are alone, withdrawn or isolated socially.Sadly there is no easy solution and we have to be on the lookout to help those around us, just like they would be there to help us. No matter how successful you are, there will be times when stress levels will be higher than you can handle (whatever the cause may be, whether financial, relationship, etc), feelings of hopelessness and apathy and eventual motivational paralysis sets in.... you just see an insurmountable task and challenge and don't even bother starting.Let us hope that if any good was to come out of this tragedy, it is that more people are talking about it and that will help us all recognize and help others, to prevent this from occurring in the future. Condolences to Aussie50's family and friends.

author: SparkyFX
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 04, 2019, 11:31:18 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on June 04, 2019, 06:42:26 pmTrue, such constellations do exist, but erratic behavior is in the end just that: erratic behavior and it´s consequences, people might suffer from that. I mean a reasonable person might approach this privately one on one, not publicly by making it gossip. Maybe the point here is if we are talking introvert or extrovert issues and maybe a misconception about typically associated mental illnesses.As soon as there are questions of evidence and what independent observers saw or some form of reputation you have, if all you got is accusations and hearsay why should you need to prove the opposite. Turns out that accusations and hearsay do not require any evidence at all to cause a lot of stress on anyone being accused, neither is this helpful. Then there is this ambiguity that you need some form of stubbornness in such environments, but that might backfire. Some people intentionally redefine the stubbornness they cause as being the symptom of whatever you are accused of, which requires you to ignore them, which serves them as "proof", brought to you by horrible logical skills and a self fulfilling prophecy.As these are not cases of falsely accusing someone of a crime, which would be outright illegal, this means the best outcome for you is not being treated legally as insane/no bad or unjust things happening to you. It is practically a threat on its own, hard to come by legally as this leaves the legal ground covered by law.Of course a professional bears all risks of making the wrong diagnosis, is usually aware of the role of an environment, therefore understands false accusations quite fast as there is a difference between someone stressed and someone behaving erratic. They usually do not come to you for things other than offering a counseling service or the like, you have to go to them.So no need to act the victim culture up, those are simple things to consider. On the bright side of things: these behaviours usually thrive in same age groups (where everyone is "new" to a group), like schools and as such have a limited duration, so this puts a foreseeable date on when the last time will be for you to be around them. In the real world - where you have to work for food - such antics do play a role, but do not make much difference as too many people before already tried the same antics. So this environment is usually hardened and it is actual performance (within boundaries) that counts more - on the same level.

author: RetroSwim
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 05:04:34 am
content: Ed and I had a number of exchanges over time, chatted from time to time on IRC, but we pretty much lost contact when I stopped making Youtube content myself. He was even thoughtful enough to offer me some vintage computer gear for only the cost of shipping, because he knew it'd bring me some joy. I have a lot of respect for him, and enjoyed his content to no end.He was funny, friendly, and brilliant, there aren't enough people like that in the world.Farewell, Aussie50. I'll miss ya mate.It's a timely reminder to reach out to your friends and family, and make sure they're OK. Be there for each other, friends. <3

author: SteveyG
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 06:45:08 am
content: Quote from: ResR on June 02, 2019, 08:13:12 pmI think the point where he got his puppy around a year ago it was quite obvious he was pretty depressed and the dog was there to fill a void.The whole thing is really sad - I watched almost every video for the last 10 years and it was the last 2 years or so you could tell something wasn't right. Not sure what his personal situation was, but if you're somewhat isolated from friends/family/whatever I can see it being a very easy path to end up down. Even if you do have close friends and family you can end up feeling they would be better off without you.There's quite a lot of talk about finances which IMO are completely irrelevant. Sure you can get yourself stressed/depressed over money but it's not going to make you mentally ill. So many people without a financial care in the world still end up with mental issues and have taken their life.Humans like to close the loop - finding a cause for a situation. Many times there is no loop to close and no direct link between any particular situation in life and someone taking their own life.

author: SteveyG
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 06:46:32 am
content: Quote from: edy on June 04, 2019, 08:34:41 pmTechnically, that's a positive feedback loop

author: IceXcube84
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 07:24:58 am
content: For me Ed (Aussie50) was a proud lover of the swedish power metal band Sabaton and he even had some of the t-shirts in his videos.I did speak with him for some years ago but last 1-2 years a have myself been fightning with depression. His death had a big impact on me.It did stress me out even more and a will ask my doctor for help and discuss about Avolition. Thanks god my routines works and my ADHD medication. I know one of my triggers for depression is when a forget to get new recipe for Concerta and get a stop in the medication. I can't stand myself with out that medication. I will be a very annoying and totally unfocused. It has triggered depression more then once. Not taking any chances with that. Before anyone ask, I have no thoughts about suicide or end my life in anyway.I say thanks again to the person that pointed me in the right direction for Anhedonia but found instead Avolition that fit my issues better.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 08:16:42 am
content: In other news, a teenager who was raped by two men died by legal euthanasia in the Netherlands.https://www.euronews.com/2019/06/04/noa-pothoven-raped-girl-17-dies-by-legal-euthanasia-in-the-netherlandsThe 17-year-old detailed her struggles with sexual assault, depression, and anorexia in her award-winning biography "Winning or Learning".She wrote in her book that she was first assaulted at the age of 11 and raped by two men when she was just 14-years-old, facts she hid from her parents because she was ashamed.In her last post on Instagram, the young girl wrote that she had stopped eating and drinking and that her suffering was "unbearable."

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 08:46:28 am
content: Quote from: james_s on June 04, 2019, 06:42:26 pmDisclaimer: I'm not a therapistI think it's important to understand that the concept of "lizard brain" is fair representation. Feelings, emotions take place in the "lizard brain", where thoughts and impulse control take place in the prefrontal cortex. You may have the urge to throw the remote through your TV everytime the SmartTV locks up, but you think the better of it because then you would need to explain what you just did to your housemates, and also buy a new TV. However maybe at some day, with some more stress and being mentally tired, that impulse control feedback is not strong enough and before you can say "no" to yourself, it happened.I think if someone can reflect on events like those, such as anger, anxiety, depression, getting emotional quicker than normal, stress, etc., is areallytime to talk to relatives/friends, or if not available visit a counselor or therapist. Basically what I'm trying to say, the rational person in you can observe that the emotional being is becoming distressed in certain situations. I think to some degree even if you're having a mild form of psychosis or BPD. Of course things get harder if you don't notice these things anymore.Being in therapy does not mean you're crazy, it could just mean you're trying to more actively self reflect with the help of another individual. And that after some sessions and honest reflection, that you may need more help.However actually receiving a diagnosis is hard. I think upon reflection, many people can vaguely connect the dots for themselves, but talking about it in a honest way is not easy. Shame or guilt can also be a part in that. That's why therapy will costs effort, and certainly not why you would find a cup of coffee and some cookies in a therapy session..

author: AntiProtonBoy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 08:57:24 am
content: Quote from: SteveyG on June 05, 2019, 06:45:08 amI think it's quite relevant for some people. Being under financial strain can make your situation worse. Adds to stress and limits your ability to access resources that could whelp you out of depression.

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 09:18:19 am
content: Quote from: SteveyG on June 05, 2019, 06:45:08 amI'm not convinced. As someone myself that went through some dark times, usually the thoughts of an end are nearer in a crisis where some stressors is too much for the big pile and the whole situation seems too much to bare, or seems hopeless. Wishing for an immediate ending is then a way out, but this is case where the short term overshadows the long time "side effects".Money issues can definitely be a contributor. I think it's a well known fact that money does not bring happiness. But deprivation of money or resources brings a lot of tragedy, stress and depression.I also think that everyone can agree that depressionisa mental illness. Depression is not an emotion in it self. It is not healthy for someone to be depressed. Of course everyone goes through their own crap and sorrow at any point in life, but if problems keep dragging along or don't get resolved, it can really become something worse.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 09:44:48 am
content: Depression is a sickness. In more acute cases it will manifest itself without any external triggers. In milder forms it can be triggered by external events. Money problems are just one in a million different causes and there is no point in singling out money as a cause for depression. I would even say it is not the most important by a long shot. I bet much more important are factors like social life and fitting in society. If I had to guess which is the most important factor in triggering depression I would guess social factors like not having a healthy family and social life and loneliness. I would guess that weighs a lot more than money. For most normal people having a family, a social support group around them is much more important than money.

author: ptricks
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 11:23:23 am
content: It all comes down to self-esteem. If you don't have a belief in yourself, that you are somebody that is worthwhile then everything else you do is a temporary fix.I mentioned CBT in another post, I think kids in school should be taught CBT , not just people with mental illness as it can help relationships, careers, life in general.Found a page that gives some good examples of how it works:https://positivepsychologyprogram.com/cbt-cognitive-behavioral-therapy-techniques-worksheets/'No one can make you feel inferior without your consent'- Eleanor Roosevelt

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 04:11:15 pm
content: Quote from: maginnovision on June 04, 2019, 06:53:49 pmI'm not sure why you decided to bring that up, but a friend of mine is an actual practicing doctor of psychology and has stated numerous times that Trump is a textbook case of narcissistic personality disorder, almost certainly a sociopath, pathological liar and some other thing I forget the name of. I think that a psychologist who has been practicing almost as long as I've been alive is qualified to make that "accusation" and I'm not sure that's the example I'd choose to make the point you were trying to make.Now it's arguably a fact that you have to be at least a bit of a narcissist to want to be president in the first place but what we've got now is a rather extreme example. So extreme that it's obvious even to many laymen.

author: Echo88
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 04:33:32 pm
content: So seeing how trump behaves on the political stage and seeing the stuff he posts via Twitter isnt enabling someone to judge him? Even Bush Jr. ensured not as many facepalms, while Trump yells WITNESS ME, like in Mad Max.Anyway: Back to the topic. This threat is interesting in that it gives a slight insight in depression and its forms, since you normally dont witness the affected people. Kudos to the people who speak about it and RIP to Aussie50.

author: Gdayfolks
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 05, 2019, 06:47:28 pm
content: I watched Ed's videos for years. I didn't know him personally but I wish I did because Ed was a top bloke. A really talented, genuine, honest person. One of the good ones. I'm sorry he was feeling so bad and that he couldn't find a way through it. It's a terrible loss that he's gone. I hope his family and friends can get some comfort from that fact that so many people all around the world knew what a great guy he was and cared for him. I'll always remember you Ed.If there’s anyone out there in a dark place or struggling with life know that you’re not alone, you don’t have to carry the load by yourself. I would encourage you to speak to a psychologist. It’s nothing more than a chat with a person who is trained in how to deal with these problems. Speaking about your thoughts can take a great weight off your shoulders and help you create a happier, healthier life for yourself.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2019, 08:22:59 am
content: Quote from: soldar on June 05, 2019, 08:16:42 amStill trusting the media in 2019Have you paused for a moment to consider what this paragraph means?Quote

author: maginnovision
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2019, 08:36:35 am
content: Quote from: magic on June 06, 2019, 08:22:59 amI'm glad to see someone else got the real story. The sources some people use are dubious.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2019, 09:30:27 am
content: Quote from: maginnovision on June 06, 2019, 08:36:35 amIf that's what helps you sleep at nightI think it's a popular concept this days that journalists have a civic duty to spread information which will make the world a better place rather than just information which is true. Similarly to entire branches of science which make no secret of their devotion to changing the world rather than understanding why it is what it is.On a more positive note and back on topic, some may perhaps find this interesting:I'm not a devoted fanboy of those "mental diversity normalization" initiatives, I think there is a risk of everybody going insane by accommodating and adapting too much to those seriously insaneBut I think this woman makes valid points and, frankly, that entire concept of "mental illness" seems sketchy to me. Medical psychiatry exists for maybe a century or two, crazies have existed since times immemorial. Nobody "medicated" them, some were probably criminals, others were philosophers, magicians, prophets and visionaries. I don't know where we would be without them and I wouldn't dare to bet that it would certainly be a better place.

author: bg86
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 06, 2019, 01:24:35 pm
content: I just heard about this sad news in BigClive's last week. I want to offer my condolences to Aussie50. Depression really kills, and I'm extremely mortified and saddened to hear some of the posters in that threadwho are totally insensitive about it. "Snap out of it" and "less caring option" is not a solution to this problem, and yet, these advices kept pounding into everyone's heads. A lot of people do not know what is depression, until he/she faces it. It isnot"feeling lazy" or not "wanting attention" or not "wanting an easy solution out". This illness is not something people can take lightly - and resisting it could give more further damage to the brain.My experiences in major depressive disorder (and a mixture of anxiety and also migraines) wasn't something I could have "forget" about it. Over the years of living under tiger parents and being bullied in school and college, I would say that my mental scars went deeper and deeper every year. On times, I resisted the urge to throw myself out the window, and on a number of occasions I felt extremely tired and bluesy, up to the point I couldn't eat properly. I did not understand my problem pretty well at the earlier stage. I thought I was a bad person, and I should be punished for it since everyone else around me didn't. On times, I felt like I do not have that strength anymore to live.When I went to my local psychiatrist, he had to dispense me medicines, which earlier on I thought I would get hooked on if I didn't continue the prescription. Obviously, as a rigid person, I would follow and not skip any doses, and I must report side effects to him if I have it. My parents would complain about me taking those things, and that is the time I stop listening to them because most of the times, they were borderline abusive and tried to control me as much as possible. I'm over 30, for fuck's sake, and I knew what I was doing. It's not me, it's my chemistry and my hormones which didn't go very well on me, and I have a responsibility to take care of myself.After a year of the prescriptions, I have little to none of these symptoms, but I'm sometimes still a tiny bit edgy and obsessive on things. As usual, I'm advised to do physical exercises and have more relaxation like watching comedies and stupid funny things on Youtube. Nowadays, I feel a lot better and I don't feel too irritable on other things that did irritate me. My specialist might take me off the medication and he required me to do it for another year too. Meanwhile, I am working my personal issues with my therapist too.I should repeat again: Depression kills. It is very dangerous. It hides in your mind and paralyzes you and force you to resist on it. When you run out of mental energy, suicide could happen. Please seek help if you have those - ignoring these even for a short could be very harmful.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2019, 05:36:39 pm
content: Quote from: magic on June 06, 2019, 08:22:59 amI am not sure what childish game of gotcha you are trying to play.The substance of the news is that a teenager was so depressed and found living to be so painful that she decided to put an end to her life and did, in fact, end her life with her family's agreement and support.I find that chilling. In fact, I find it terrifying. And, as far as I know, it is true.You would make light of those facts because they got some other details wrong the first time and then corrected them? They reported her death because she "stopped eating and drinking" and called it "euthanasia". Then they said that while she did indeed die because she stopped eating and drinking they are not calling it euthanasia, which I guess would involve others killing her. So they made a mistake and they corrected it.They corrected a mistake and you find that disqualifies them and all the entire press and media and we shouldn't believe anything we read or hear? Who should we listen to and believe?So if we read a guy went into a building and killed a bunch of people with an AK47 and it is later revealed it was not, in fact, an AK47, does that mean the whole thing never happened? Nobody was killed by an AK47 so we can rest easy?What kind of silly talk is this? Or are you claiming she never died and is alive and well?A teenager was so depressed she killed herself and you want to play silly games of gotcha? Did you check the article for spelling and grammar mistakes? Because that would really invalidate everything, wouldn't it?

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2019, 11:53:31 pm
content: You and your source called it "legal euthanasia", which it certainly was not because no legal process was involved. And if it were, it would be a whole new level of bad story.As for teenagers keeling themselves, yes, it happens. I'm not terrified by it to be honest, maybe it's my sociopathy showing. Was it preventable? No one can really know although I would like to think so, but that could be a massive rant and I wouldn't even know where to begin.

author: HardwareDude
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 07, 2019, 11:19:07 am
content: If you re-visit Aussie50’s 2018 Christmas video (Youtube video ID: Ed6MBevLaf4) he did directly mention Patreon’s intentions of pursuing political correctness. I’m not saying Patreon has taken action yet, but the writing is on the wall. Even the notion of possible oppression by such organisations is enough to send users into desperation. Earlier in the video, he wishes everyone “Happy new years, whatever years come and whatever years don’t,” somewhat implying that at some point things would come to an end.Just over 4 months later in his “Fun with cars, dogs and machine tools” video (ID: ZyiG6BE8Flg early April 2019) he tells viewers to “cancel your Patreon if you want to”. It sounded like he had already lost motivation and almost given up, despite saying there were plenty of future videos that could be made. His original pride and joy, a Mercedes ML270 bought secondhand in 2015 that took months of TLC to fix up, had developed major faults. He said it is “pretty much a worn out piece of junk” and he intends to do some cheap repairs then run it into the ground, retire it and strip it for parts. It demonstrates the sad state of affairs that he let things degrade into. This is all reading between the lines and making some assumptions. Note he did acquire a near new Hyundai ix35 in 2016, which may explain the loss of love for his ML270, however there has been no mention of the Hyundai in recent videos, so maybe he got rid of it?The signs of depression were there (albeit extremely subtle), so you had to be looking very intently to even notice. Making good Youtube videos generally requires showmanship. In these instances your persona is on public display and one would be hesitant to talk about depression or internal weaknesses – after all, you are talking to the world, not sitting in a psychologist’s private consulting room.Whether Aussie50 was able to hide the signs in everyday life as he does in his videos is speculation. In the majority of cases, suicide (or ideation thereof) is considered by the affected individual well in advance, and is not something that is undertaken spontaneously. Possibly being ‘busy’ with a new job meant there was a lack of contact with regular friends and relatives, so the signs went unnoticed by those in his inner circle. Working amongst new colleagues wouldn’t have helped because it takes months to get to know someone well before you are able to notice adverse changes in their behaviour.In the industry I work in (which is not related to my hobbies), there is a variation of the RUOK campaign specific to my industry and is heavily advocated. Unfortunately much of the world has yet to catch up on making suicide awareness a priority. If your workplace offers suicide awareness / mental first aid training, I would highly recommend you take it up - you never know, one day you might save a life.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 15, 2019, 03:36:13 am
content: Quote from: soldar on June 05, 2019, 08:16:42 amWow that is sad, I did not even know assisted suicide for depression was a thing. It feels kinda wrong to me. After going through it myself last year I can KIND of understand... but even when I was experiencing it, I didn't actually want to die, I just felt it was the only way out. I can't say I would want to be euthanized if I had it. I would want actual proper help to make it go away.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 15, 2019, 11:21:49 am
content: And another one falls for itShe wasn't euthanized, she starved herself to death. Apparently her family was OK with it.

author: soldar
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 15, 2019, 01:37:22 pm
content: He said "assisted suicide" and I think that is accurate.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 15, 2019, 06:33:15 pm
content: Quote from: magic on June 15, 2019, 11:21:49 amThat article is confusing, it sounded like they were saying she died of euthanasia at first and not starvation, but I reread it and it sounds like it's the opposite but still not clear. Either way the fact that euthanasia was even on the table and that the family was ok with her dying is what is sad.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 15, 2019, 09:18:52 pm
content: Because they originally fell for Internet rumor that she was legally put to death and later edited parts of the article here and there when truth started to come out from the family and relevant officials.

author: gibbsy81
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 10:02:25 pm
content: Looks like his channel was hacked and now there is a crypto live stream up, Very sad as this is his legacy.Hopefully Jullian can regain access and restore it however I'm currently attempting to archive his videos before they are taken down.

author: steve30
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 10:08:00 pm
content: Quote from: gibbsy81 on April 10, 2025, 10:02:25 pmThat sucks. Good luck with the archiving. I'm subscribed to aussie50's channel so I just looked at it - it says there are 50000 people watching the stream. i wonder who they all are. Possibly subscriber who are wondering WTF?

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 10:12:37 pm
content: Quote from: steve30 on April 10, 2025, 10:08:00 pmMostly bots, inflating the view count so it gets pushed more..

author: steve30
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 10:14:47 pm
content: OK, looks like the channel has disappeared. lets hope it will be back.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 10:34:58 pm
content: Just noticed a video in the Live section with 59k watching with the companies logo.Ripple.comhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_LabsI wonder if they are doing it or someone doing it for them for gain.I found on Trustpilot:https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/ripple.comQuotehttps://old.reddit.com/r/RippleScam/comments/1ae6fld/ripple_just_hijacked_and_took_over_big_youtube/Looks like it is a thing whether they are doing it through bots or other people.QuoteIt appears to me and I suspect that the company maybe behind it.So the scammers complained and his account got terminated.I see it is happening to other channels just now but live scheduled.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 11:16:07 pm
content: Quote from: gibbsy81 on April 10, 2025, 10:02:25 pmThanks for notifying, that really sucks.Channel seems down now?There seems to be an archive on Odysee, with 2107 videos:https://odysee.com/@Aussie50-archive:7

author: Koltin
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 09:30:58 am
content: This is what I managed to save, with comments until YT pulled his channel.The playlists folder does not have comments and the .zip file is quite large 7 gigs almost.https://pixeldrain.com/u/zWhAREkX

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 11:41:04 am
content: getting hijacked and "live" streaming a crypto scam has happpened to a lot of channnels, once YT notices and get complaints they take the channel down. Seems like getting it back up is not a big issue but it requires the owner doing the work to get access backhttps://youtu.be/_tlhOBysXOE?si=KmkaXMxF3SKGCZ8j

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 06:35:10 pm
content: That's a crappy thing to happen, you'd think Google would have brute force protection. It appears his channel is back now but you do see the crypto stuff on the home page of his channel. The regular videos show up under videos. Hopefully there's a way they can set the channel up in a way that it's dormant/locked so no one can ever mess with it.

author: gibbsy81
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: April 12, 2025, 03:58:06 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on April 10, 2025, 11:16:07 pmLooks like his channel is back now with some signs on the home page of what has happened.https://www.youtube.com/@aussie50

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 12, 2025, 04:00:34 am
content: Quote from: gibbsy81 on April 12, 2025, 03:58:06 amThose XRP videos aren't on the channel, they are just playlists to videos on the Ripple channel.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2025, 04:05:10 am
content: Nice to see the channel returned.For what little it was worth I did leave some Youtube feedback at the time about it not expecting anything to happen.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 19, 2025, 02:02:22 pm
content: Mirosław Marks was an amazing Polish accordionist cum Youtuber. I don’t know, what were the exact circumstances, but many years after his death the channel got taken down. Luckily at least some of his work got copied and remains available on a memorial channel.Most are not that lucky. Together with what happens to Aussie50’s channel this is a good reminder to any content creator, who gives away their work to publishers. Consider, what options are available in your locality for passing control over accounts to some trusted parties in case of death. And passing it quickly enough. This is separate from internal procedures a company maygraciouslyoffer, though those may still act as an alternative, backup solution.Mind that usually(1)agreements (including credentials) are not inherited, where they would be it’s hard to apply for agreements with foreign corporations or requires accepting company’s abusive procedures,(2)and — the most important part — the pace at which inheritance procedures go is suitable for passing items of wealth, not relatively short-lived stuff like accounts.In north-west cultures people pretend death never comes. But it’s as sure as taxes and neglecting that topic only brings trouble. Of course we’re no longer here, where the trouble come, but this is a foul legacy to leave behind.Quote from: Red Squirrel on April 11, 2025, 06:35:10 pmNeither Alphabet nor anybody else has such protection. They sell security-as-a-product, but not only its effectiveness has never been well established,(3), it can only affect some attacks. Among attacks it has to be ineffective against are reverse brute force attacks and credentials stuffing, if performed at a relatively low rate. If the adversary is willing to put any real effort and some money into the attack, and scammers certainly do, it also must have a reduced effect.(1)Local regulations may change that for particular situations, and there were court rulings in favor of giving the family access to dead relative’s accounts. But those are rare exceptions, not the norm.(2)There are some minor cracks in that stance. The recent SIN vs Facebook case is a great example. Digital Services Act also offers some provisions.(3)In quantitative sense. Of course in qualitative sense it “does something.”

author: Deodand2014
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 11:48:30 am
content: I just got the shock of my life on YouTube. I'd left my subscription to the Aussie50 channel active and it flagged his channel again. Someone had posted a YouTube Short video entitled '11 June 2025' and it appears to be a reworking of one of his 'brick in a washing machine videos'.Anyone know what's going on?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 12:13:13 pm
content: Quote from: Deodand2014 on June 11, 2025, 11:48:30 amI'd have the assume that his friend(?) that is in control of the channel posted it?

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 03:50:50 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on May 29, 2019, 11:17:05 pmAs a fellow sufferer of severe clinical depression, it is also worth pointing out that psychiatry is an extremely difficult field of medicine (dealing with the brain and its effect on the mind), and it is not unusual that it is unable to help a patient. Some conditions (especially depression) can be extremely treatment-resistant. Many treatments for depression are just a few points above placebo in efficacy. It varies a lot between patients.I don't know the circumstances: maybe he tried but the Australian health care system just couldn't help.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 04:05:13 pm
content: Quote from: bloguetronica on May 30, 2019, 02:58:32 pmI think what you are describing probably applies to only a few people. Speaking for myself, as a sufferer of severe clinical depression, I can say with complete confidence that mine has nothing at all to do with your list or your explanation. One of the worst aspects for many sufferers is that it is NOT caused by anything happening in their lives. Mine literally appears from nowhere and completely unpredictably.The awful thing about this kind of depression is that, as there is no life-related cause, there is nothing the sufferer can do to fix it. That is the fundamental problem: the sufferer feels no hope because nothing they can do will remove what's causing it.For a lot of sufferers it is simply wrong to think that bouts of depression have a cause. At least, any life-related cause. For a lot of sufferers it strikes out of the blue, and that is what makes it so terrifying.Trust me on this: I have dedicated my entire adult life to finding some way of avoiding my awful bouts of depression. I'm afraid I have failed spectacularly.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 04:19:53 pm
content: Quote from: bloguetronica on May 30, 2019, 09:18:13 pmI'm sorry, but I vigorously disagree. It is no help knowing it will pass, because a/ you don't believe it will, and b/ your life is utterly intolerablenow.And actually, yes, it is very likely indeed that some people are just "wired wrong". Lots of mental health problems have a genetic component, demonstrating that some people really are born with a proclivity to depression, or psychosis, or schizophrenia.Quote from: bloguetronica on May 30, 2019, 09:18:13 pmThat is an awful thing to say. You seem to suggest that the sufferer can and should react differently, and "learn the lesson" (whatever that is). In other words, despite your denials, you really are saying that the solution is in the hands of the sufferer: "Think different, learn the lesson".Mate, that is complete bullshit and I don't believe you have ever experienced what you claim to know about. Clinical depression is not about self-pity, it isn't about having the wrong reaction to circumstances, it isn't about needing to learn lessons. It is a terrifying, stealthy monster that sucks at your soul and destroys you from the inside out.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 04:38:12 pm
content: SteveThackery,I think that topic has been beaten to death already, but this being brought up, it must be underlined once again. You did say that, but let me be a bit more blunt.While it may and often is triggered by external factors,depression is body chemistry getting derailed. Everybody should get this into their heads.That might not be the intention, but pointing to factors listed by bloguetronice as the cause often leads to a second conclusion: a person suffering from depression being “not good enough” to deal with those pressures. But it doesn’t work that way. We can’t control body’s processes and there is absolutely nothing the power of our mind can do to affect chemistry working bad. Exactly the same way as “being strong” can’t make cancer disappear or cure diabetes.And similar to like the right attitude can’t prevent a bone being broken when hit with a sledge hammer, we have no control over how events in life affect that chemistry. Some people believe that their “right thinking” will protect them, completely oblivious to the fact that they’re not at the steering wheel of their brain and “right thinking” will be equally affected. It’s like trying to say, that “proper upbringing” can protect one from the effects of 0.3% BAC.Those factors may, however, have a great negative impact on person’s ability to recover and may ramp up the positive feedback deepening depression.I also hope you noticed bloguetronica is banned and the message is 6 years old.If anybody here thinks they may suffer from depression: consult a professional.You may refuse medications, and I am myself pissed off by psychiatrists too often taking the easy route, prescribing antidepressants like sugar pills. But help doesn’t end on meds: you may also take support, get suggestions on lifestyle changes, be walked through the changes that may be necessary, and — above all — get a better picture of your situation. Or learn, that what you thought is a depression, is just a secondary symptom to another illness.There is no harm in learning.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 07:12:43 pm
content: Quote from: golden_labels on June 11, 2025, 04:38:12 pmI agree with that, but actually there is a problem: there is absolutely no evidence to support that assertion. There is no physical or chemical test of any kind for depression. So whilst it may well be some kind of chemical imbalance (I am 99% certain of it), it remains undetectable and therefore is nothing more than a credible sounding guess.

author: voltsandjolts
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 07:28:51 pm
content: Quote from: SteveThackery on June 11, 2025, 07:12:43 pmThere is at least some anecdotal evidence, for example, reports of micro-dosing LSD improving mood in at least some people.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 08:11:14 pm
content: Quote from: voltsandjolts on June 11, 2025, 07:28:51 pmLSD as a psychiatric tool is being properly and seriouslyresearched, with ongoing trials in a few countries around the world. Evenmicrodosing LSD and other psychedelicsis being properly investigated. (Both links to literary reviews at NCBI/NIH.)While there is no proper scientific understanding of exactly why and how it helps with specific psychiatric issues, I do believe it is likely related to how electroconvulsive therapy works (as that is still used for the drug-resistant unipolar depression with suicidal ideation, under sedation), somehow shifting brain activity away from problematic "worn" pathways related to the issues.I can tell you this: At around age 24, I was psychologically tested for stress tolerance and similar, and basically maxed out the tests. Stress did not bother me at all, and I worked just as well under pressure as without. Complete self-control in all situations. I had never panicked, even in dangerous stressful situations, and was interacting well with all sorts of people, in wildly different organizations. Earlier, in high school, I skipped a year simply because I wanted to find out whether I could, and it didn't affect my scores much. Ten years later, I spent three months hiding under a bed, and a couple of years later started having panic attacks too. It looks like I became "allergic" to certain stress hormones, because I get extreme skin rashes (urticaria, later bad psoriasis vulgaris in the last five years or so), that a dermal application of hydrocortisone clears up extremely well. I might have a genetic tendency, yes, but I wasn't "wired this way" from the get go; and I did cause this myself by forcing myself to focuse on working in environments I was utterly unsuited for, even to the eventual exclusion of everything else including any social life. But it wasn't because I wasweak, either: I was toostrong, so much so that nobody saw any signs of it in my performance or behaviour or interaction (other than increased grumpiness), until I utterly crashed.I wish I had learned to rely on others more when I was a teen. To learn how to seek help, immediately when I realized I was in a situation I did not want to be in, rather than simply doubling my efforts to push through.Make of my experience what you will. I have been able to continue learning on my own (this entire electronics and embedded side), but I have not found any way to work around or over the extreme stress reactions (and mental "lockups") I get; and it even looks the autoimmune reactions are now affecting my digestion (rapid extertional nausea that comes quick, goes quick), random pains, et cetera. It isn't Long Covid, either; more like what a decade of stupid stubbornness can cause.Don't be like me, "too strong to need help", because the cost for doing that for any significant period can be way higher than you believe possible.Don't be like Aussie50 either, because things can always get better, and you can always get stronger, more resilient, in dealing with things, via for example cognitive-behavioural therapy and a good therapist as your coach.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2025, 09:39:52 pm
content: Quote from: SteveThackery on June 11, 2025, 07:12:43 pmIf I was pedantic about words, in the most literal sense what I said is a truism.(1)Mea culpa. Even worse, I just repeated what experts say, without making it clear.In my excuse I may only say, that this is becausemy point is not providing an explanation for the mechanism. The point is underlining person’s inability to use their mind to control depressive disorders.As for evidence, there are some issues. The elephant in the room: depression is not one thing. It’s a single diagnosis,(2)but the mechanisms remain mostly unknown and we may be talking about dozens if not hundreds of differrent specific issues. Second is that most psychiatrists… don’t find the brain important. Some neuropsychiatrists are venerable exceptions. But other than that it’sat bestdivination from effects of the medication. I intentionally use word “divination” here.However, there is solid knowledge pointing to the lack of control over depression, related to chemistry. Thanks to MRI scans we do know, that brain’s metabolism changes in an affected human. The effects of lowered levels of e.g. glucose, magnesium, or oxygen on brain in people with no depression are well studied. Many here probably seen a mildly extreme case, presented by SmarterEveryDay.(video:1)Mildly extreme, as it’s not as bad as it can go, but also in typical situations basic faculties are not affected. Instead, the effects may be the brain doing everything to make us do nothing. We also have very well studied cerebral edema and fever, both of which mess up perception of reality. Again, how “strong” one is, is totally meaningless. This distorted perception of reality, even if it has a different underlying mechanism, is the core reason for why depression may become so dangerous and get out of control. We do know well, how brain works under many recreational drugs and, again, that one’s convictions, upbringing, and skills are worth very little.Except the drugs part, I experienced it all many times. While my personal account is(3)useless to others, it will be hard to convince me the above is not true.(1)An entire organism is a complex chemical system, kept in homeostasis by no less complex system of feedbacks. Perhaps ignoring “mechanical” effects of breaks and wounds, everything is “body chemistry getting derailed.” That means there is little value in my statement. It’s the same as saying that an electronic circuit is misbehaving, because “electric field is getting derailed.”(2)To be precise: a few. But a very short list, regardless of who does the classification.(3)Or at least should be in this context!(video:1)“Why You Should Put YOUR MASK On First (My Brain Without Oxygen)” SmarterEveryDay:

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 12, 2025, 09:39:43 am
content: Having lost a friend to depression, take it seriously. "Men get sad too".I seem to recall that the most common cause of death for males between teenage years and roughly 50 years old is suicide.

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 12, 2025, 06:19:12 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on June 12, 2025, 09:39:43 amAnd at risk of being a stuck record, "sad" is not even remotely like clinical depression. It's obviously a tag line written by someone who has never suffered from it (albeit well intentioned).Unfortunately there are no words in the English vocabulary capable of conveying what clinical depression is really like, which is half the problem - people try to relate it to their own experiences and emotions and mistakenly think they can empathise. They can't.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 12, 2025, 07:00:57 pm
content: Quote from: SteveThackery on June 12, 2025, 06:19:12 pmI know what you mean, but anyone can empathise –– to feel empathy towards another. One just cannot know how it feels like, before they suffer from it themselves. It is one of those things.