wtf is this about? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 06:37:52 pm
content: just seen this,see pc,how is issues with delivery companys off topic or just one of the mods acting like spoiled brats throwing there dummy out as per?can see it if it was in the repair section,but in the genral chat how can it be off topic,to me its gniff victimising my posts as he doesent like me!!

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 07:01:15 pm
content: What does shipping issues has to do with electronics at all? Find a shipping forum and complain there.It is called "GeneralTechnicalChat" and the description is pretty clear that it has to be somewhat on topic of electronics. The description specifically asks for it: "so please don't start deliberately off-topic threads." But it seems reading is not your strong suit.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 07:12:37 pm
content: OP, you don't seem to be treating the moderator(s), here with any respect. Any actions they take (even when it is Dave), seem to result in just more thread(s), complaining about the action(s) taken.I think you have been given plenty of warnings, and helpful hints, on how to behave. But it doesn't seem to be sinking in. You just seem to be continually repeating the behaviors, that I think seemed to get you banned on a number of other electronics (or related) forums.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 07:35:27 pm
content: I know that every time somebody picks you up on your lousy typing, you go off into some foaming rant about 'grammar nazis' or whatever, but what you typed in that thread was so poor that I had no confidence that the company name you typed was even correct.QuoteNot bothering to proof read before you post, even for basic typos, doesn't exactly win you friends and attracts the wrong kind of attention. It really wouldn't hurt you to do it.This is intended to be a helpful suggestion by the way, before you go off into a rant!

author: metrologist
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 07:42:33 pm
content: Just makes me wonder, a 6 year old account with more than half a post per day seems to be suddenly rubbing up against the forum.Does recent activity match past MO?

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 07:53:21 pm
content: it seems to me a lot of folks buy gear from ebay here so imagine it will be of interest to a lot of folks who use this forum?,i wanted to point out the hermes name change as once againe i have been messed about with them! on 2 deliverys,they give you dates for delivery with approx times then dont show,then a mail saying its the nest day they will deliver,again no show,finaly turn up on the third day after waiting in for 2 days for deliverys that dont happen,there change of name i guess is due to hermes crappy reputation,seems the name change to evry hasnt improved there performance,i have dealt with a few parcel firms,non have been anywhere as bad and unreliable as this evry/hemes shower of sh1t.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 07:55:13 pm
content: Quote from: metrologist on April 29, 2022, 07:42:33 pmWell the following is a post, from a few years ago. I don't find it easy to read, or especially understandable. I.e. I think it is the SAME person, and their account hasn't been hacked or sold, or something.Quote from: m3vuv on September 23, 2018, 08:29:58 pmI find I can read it (rather slowly, with a degree of difficulty), and largely or fully understand it. But I can well understand, others not liking that style of writing.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 07:56:25 pm
content: Quote from: metrologist on April 29, 2022, 07:42:33 pmits down to me calling gniff or whatever his name is an a hole or similar,he has it in for me!

author: ataradov
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 07:58:29 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on April 29, 2022, 07:56:25 pmFor what its worth, I have no moderation powers, but I'd ban majority of your posts as well. And there is time for self reflection when many people apparently "have it for you".

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 08:01:05 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on April 29, 2022, 07:53:21 pmThe off-topic and political aspects of forums, have been INTENTIONALLY removed (or were never present), on this forum. Because they can lead to arguments and trouble (politics), and/or undesirable threads (off-topic), which can drift things, way off from the subject area of Electronics and related, subject areas (Computers, etc).You seem to have recently created about 20 threads. Many of which seemed to be trivial things which just simply reading the instruction manual and/or googling and/or patiently trying a few things. Would have eliminated any need to create them. So, I'm not at all surprised, that the moderator(s), have started to react to them.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 08:09:45 pm
content: to me locking a thread that may help others because gniff has taken a disslike to me is petty nitpicking as i see it.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 08:15:09 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on April 29, 2022, 08:09:45 pmIf you want the thread to HELP others. Then how about, you create a well written, nicely legible, opening post. Then stick to just that thread, and NOT create various other threads on exactly the same (or similar) subjects. Just because you didn't get any replies, later that day, or don't like the replies, in that thread.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 08:33:25 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on April 29, 2022, 07:53:21 pmI just came across the locked thread and thought I was missing something about these parcels.Now I would have been interested to know what electrical items were being delivered to you, what they were for and how the hold up affected you or your project (if it did or not).

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 08:52:08 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on April 29, 2022, 08:33:25 pmIn fairness to the OP. Electronics related item deliveries, is arguably related to electronics.But in fairness to the moderator(s), the thread in question, has no reference or mention of electronics (specifically) in it at all. Just seeming to mentioning an ebay parcel, which could contain just about anything. As the opening post in a new thread, doesn't seem to give any details.TL;DRTechnically speaking it was off-topic (no mention of electronics). But if it had been worded properly, could of potentially been a worthwhile thread.E.g. Title: "Getting our electronics goods, on time and in one piece. New ebay delivery company"...

author: BrokenYugo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 08:54:00 pm
content: If anybody here with access to the banstick really had it in for you, you'd have found out long ago. Quite frankly, it perplexes me that you still have an account.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 08:58:52 pm
content: Quote from: BrokenYugo on April 29, 2022, 08:54:00 pmWith the bulk of forums, as I understand it. Calling a member of the moderation team a swear word, would result in an instant and permanent ban.

author: m3vuv
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 10:29:18 pm
content: mk14 i understand your point,maybe i could of worded things better,i thought this section was for general chat,i didnt realise it wasnt,i was just trying to point out to ppl thet hermes name change is all it is,its still the same lousy service,sorry if i upset ppl it wasnt meant,73 Paul m3vuv.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 10:32:52 pm
content: Totally reasonable moderation.

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 11:24:02 pm
content: @m3vuv you landed on the watch list because of your arrogant and insulting behaviour. I have tried very hard to work with you to get you to see how your behaviour is not acceptable. You started making duplicate posts which caused even Dave to step in to remove them which you complained about. You again made duplicate posts a few days later ignoring the information and instructions given to you by Dave.Your failure to follow basic instructions, continual insulting nature, and now directly attacking the one moderator here that has been trying to assist you towards becoming a good member of this community is the final straw. You are no longer welcome here.

author: YurkshireLad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 11:25:09 pm
content: Uh-oh, he woke up Dave. Tut-tut..

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 29, 2022, 11:31:09 pm
content: Quote from: m3vuv on April 29, 2022, 10:29:18 pmThe thing is, there are thousands of members here. There is only a handful of moderators, who have relatively little time or resources, to moderate this forum. So you can't create a very large number of problematic posts, which then need lots of moderation. It's not really practicable or possible.Good luck with your (new to you) scope. Try NOT to break it too soon!

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 12:13:53 am
content: Quote from: metrologist on April 29, 2022, 07:42:33 pmm3vuv was banned from other large electronics communities due to the issues we are seeing here also. I can only assume this caused him to have run out of forums/places to spend his time causing an increase in posts to this forum. We became aware of his behaviour after he flew off the rail and started to try to ruin the reputation of an eBay seller who he eventually scammed and stole from.Since then we have seen almost daily moderation reports against this user because of various infractions, from being illegible through to being downright insulting and rude. He was given several warnings which he failed to heed resulting in a partial ban (muted) which Dave lifted after he appealed the ban.Most recently he started to complain about our removal of his duplicate threads/posts, and as evident by this thread, publicly call out the mods for their actions. This pattern reflects the pattern we seen on other forums when searching for "m3vuv", bad behaviour that leads to calling the mods ass-holes, and then a ban.For context:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/ebay-scammers/https://groups.io/g/TekScopes/topic/88363123#189731https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/cleaning-badly-corroded-bncs-(that-my-boss-dont-want-to-know)/msg3909194/#msg3909194

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 12:32:12 am
content: Quote from: MK14 on April 29, 2022, 07:55:13 pmI find it difficult and laborious to read, and therefor can't be bothered to more than skim over it. On the other hand what you've written is very easy to read, I can read it quickly and understand it fully without effort. A few misspelled words are no problem but some attempt at reasonable grammar and punctuation makes a big difference. Punctuation wasn't created as decoration.Psychologically speaking I wonder what's wrong with the guy, I assumed he was a teenager from the txt speak but I don't really know. I could tolerate poor grammar if a person was polite, or I could tolerate occasional rudeness if they wrote eloquently and contributed something useful but I can't tolerate a person that has horrible grammar, is almost always rude and rarely contributes anything of value.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 04:48:54 am
content: Well well well. I'll just file this under most unsurprising event of the week.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 04:54:00 am
content: Ahhh, I've been waiting for this for a while..

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 05:05:29 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on April 30, 2022, 04:54:00 amNow pin the thread as a warning to others.[ducks for cover]

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 06:02:48 am
content: Quote from: gnif on April 29, 2022, 11:24:02 pmAs someone with their own communications problems (abrasiveness, excess verbosity), I can place myself in m3vuv's proverbial shoes. I know that at some point, those problems may make me unwelcome, too. However, I know that that would not be due to my person or my personality, but by my communications. (I did have to start using a pseudonym, Nominal Animal, instead of my real name online, to truly "grok" this, though.)I only hope that before that happens, I will be notified of being close to the line by the moderators or Dave. (Preferably via a private message describing exactly how, because a public post might trigger a premature emotional reaction (feeling being "publicly accosted"); whereas one can read and digest a private message in their own time, and cool down first.)Putting myself in m3vuv's shoes, having taken a look at their last couple of hundred posts (and noting they have mentioned some personal hardship right now): if this was me, I'd have to conclude the ban is fair, for now. (I've had something like this happen to me years ago, when I was, uh, not in the best mental state possible, myself.)Thing is, one must either adjust their communications style so that they contribute more to the discussion than their personal quirks hamper it. If that's not possible, then that's not the place for them. It's not good or bad, it's just how the world is; much like how one is not suitable for every possible job, only some of them.Thus, in my opinion, the best possible outcome would be for m3vuv to work on changing their posting style for the better (seeing as theyarecapable of it, at least have been, elsewhere, years ago), and consider it the "cost" of participating here. If they sort themselves out and decide they'd like to do that, they could contact Dave and set up a new account with some strict boundary conditions. I know for a fact that this has been done before, and it has worked out at least in a couple of cases. Not all, though, obviously; and I know of several who have left exactly because they just didn't feel they "fit".The key is to realize that this is nothing personal; it is only about how we communicate with each other, and somewhatnecessaryto stop the forum for falling into chaos. (And while one could argue philosophically about where that line should lie, just looking at the forum as it is right now, I at least must conclude Dave et al. do a better job at this than I could. I can comment on individual cases, but I definitely don't want to affect the "policy line" Dave sets.)

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 06:06:58 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on April 30, 2022, 06:02:48 amWe always work with offenders privately, things like this only become public if the offender decides to make it public like was done here, or if the offender keeps breaking the rules even after we have attempted to rectify the problem in a private manner first.In this instance m3uvu was given the benefit of the doubt and plenty of rope before taking final action in the hopes that we saw an improvement. I did note that the tone of his posts did settle down quite a lot but only after it got to the point where I started to rebuke him in a public manner for his posts.At the end of the day we spent more time on this matter then honestly I feel we should have. I personally can count on one hand the number of people I have had to ban from this forum (outside of blatant spammers) due to rule breaches, we try very hard to resolve the issues before resorting to a flat out ban.Quote from: Nominal Animal on April 30, 2022, 06:02:48 amDo note that quite a few of his posts/threads were removed due to their content being against the rules, and in some instances they were reported private messages that were abusive, or direct messages to mods/admins that were abusive. There are holes in the picture the public can see due to this.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 06:22:01 am
content: Quote from: gnif on April 30, 2022, 06:06:58 amThanks, that's really good to hear.Having once had quite a "heated exchange" with Simon, and having Dave once conclude I was a troll, I admit I've been wondering whether I personally have already had my "final warning". Again, I do not think it is my personality or anything personal like that; it's just a fact of how I communicate and interact with other members.(Observing it in my own messages is one of my blind spots; I have had to occasionally PM other members to give me honest feedback on that.)So, if I do get close to the boundary, a PM saying so is definitely useful and appreciated.I did not post this and my previous post to make this aboutme, though. I am only using myself as an example of a member that might not fit here now or sometime in the future, and how I'd recommend others to deal with this without going paranoid about people "having it in for them". Sure, personality conflicts do occur sometimes, but really, it is mostly – and in my opinion, here in m3vuv's case – about communications instead.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 06:25:44 am
content: As someone who does say things at the most inappropriate times I can't wait to see look on my doctors face when reviewing the blood test result after all the popcorn I've consumed this week both here and elsewhere.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 05:16:12 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on April 30, 2022, 06:02:48 amI have attempted to help him on many occasions but I was starting to give up. I'm surprised he wasn't banned earlier. I can't figure out whether he's genuinely mentally ill/retarded, or just a troll, but I suppose it doesn't matter. It isn't our responsibility to figure out which it is.

author: Labrat101
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 05:52:44 pm
content: After reading though every thing .. I was wondering how on earth .. Did this subject title "" Re: wtf is this about? ""Ever made 2 complete pages . When the Title alone was asking for a Fight .. ??Surely a couple of well written PM's may have solved his Problem ..

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 06:10:43 pm
content: Quote from: Labrat101 on April 30, 2022, 05:52:44 pmPMs (not by me, so I'm not sure how many, but other(s), mention doing it, so I assume it is many) and posting advise has been tried, on numerous occasions. With little success, although gnif did seem to say earlier, that he (gnif) had noticeably improved the OPs behavior.As other(s) have said. As lenient, as this forum tends to be. It is surprising, they lasted as long as they did.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 06:24:41 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on April 30, 2022, 06:02:48 amI don't find you to be particularly abrasive, but it might just be that I'm equally abrasive so I don't notice. Whatever the case you use punctuation, capitalization and spell most words properly so it is not a laborious task to decipher what you've written. I think what annoys me is when it takes effort to decipher something someone has scrawled and after that effort I find that it was a waste of time.

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2022, 07:11:20 pm
content: @gnif, I find you've handled this admirably and with a lot of patience. I've gone a step too far once or twice and learned from it.The light-handed moderation of this forum is commendable and attests to the fact that almost all users are grown-up professionals.

author: gnif
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 14, 2022, 01:54:17 pm
content: Locked