Any Sugon/Aifen A9 C210/C245/C115 Users? - Page 1
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author: sobakava
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2022, 03:33:11 pm
content: Is there any one using this soldering station? I am considering Aixun T3B since I do microsoldering (0201) too; but I might need larger tips like C245 time to time.This one looks have option for C210 C245 and C115. I just don't know if it is possible to use all three on the same device with no modification. Does firmware recognize all three handles? Or are there different firmware for all variant?Also compared to Aixun T3B, I am curious about the power/performance

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2022, 10:09:35 pm
content: You can buy the same station with 3 handles, so its going to work for all of them:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003311588074.htmlThere was also a Handskit model with two outputs that looks somewhat interesting (115 + 245), cant seem to find it at the moment.

author: eevnoob
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2022, 10:20:52 pm
content: i'd like to find reviews of Aifen's C210/C245/C115 soldering stations. also currently available for sale around the same price are the A9 Pro, A2 and A3 stations. The A2 and A3 in particular look like an excellent value, but who knows if it's safe.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256803925757164.htmlhttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804332568077.htmlhttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804050181951.htmlhere's a Yahua 982 station that claims to support T210 and T245.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256804662520342.htmlhttps://www.yihuatools.com/Product/yihua3_100000470585933.html

author: sobakava
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2022, 12:55:03 pm
content: Quote from: eevnoob on November 07, 2022, 10:20:52 pmWhat do you mean by "safe"? Properly grounded or made to last for a long time?

author: tai
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 01, 2023, 04:49:11 pm
content: I just got my new AIFEN A3 station.I checked the grounding and while tip is grounded, case is not.It may or may not be an issue as case is anodized and its surface is not conductive anyway.Overall, AIFEN A3 is a good buy. It supports all C115/C210/C245 handles/tips in a single model which is quite rare. Its small block shape is good for space-saving setup. I mount it vertically to save even more space.LED display and configuration interface feels old - it would have been better if it came with OLED screen with selectable screen orientation. But what matters most is the soldering experience and it is excellent in that part. High-powered C115 tip is the game changer in my soldering experience - I love it!Update:June 5, 2023Third party (non-JBC, non-AIFEN/MAGMA branded) C210/C245 tips arrived, and they all worked. So this really supports all C115/C210/C245 tips in a single station. Good!OTOH, I found response of larger tip (C245) under low temperature setting to be quite dull.I often use 280degC setting so I won't damage both tip/component, but C245 (C shape tip) was unable to melt a solder for ~30s with this setting.Also, it was awkward to use in practice as it was not reheating fast enough. I had to go 350degC or above for C245 tip to respond smoothly.I was kinda expecting larger tip type to be more actively driven through tip type detection and per-tip-type power driving profile, but I guess I was expecting too much.It'd be nice if anyone with experience in higher-end station (real JBC, etc) can comment on how they behave with large tip/low temperature combination.I'm also interested in how CFW for T12/STM32 "KSGER" station handles this, as it can be modified to handle C245 as well.Another issue I found with A3 is that when C245 was struggling to melt a solder for ~30s, it was showing temperature to be already on 280degC within a few seconds.So actual tip temperature and display seem to be quite off, at least in transient process. Not sure if this is an issue of a tip (maybe TC and heater too decoupled?) or a station, though.Lastly, I also did a quick temperature measurement across tips, and actual temperature reached in the end were similar across all tip types.So while I experienced an issue in transient response, A3 do handle all tip types in stable manner. I guess I will just use C245 for 350degC or above, and use smaller tips for lower temperature.I found an interesting note by C245 tip/cartridge seller that AIFEN/SUGON station is using a nonstandard scheme which causes OSS tip to burn:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005008023832.html?mp=1QuoteHmm, I wish if there's a database of JBC clone tips with resistance value, temperature coefficient, and a tip photo so I can check before making a purchase...

author: tai
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 24, 2023, 09:14:13 pm
content: Further update:I obtained OSS TEAM branded C210 and C245 tips on AliExpress, and while being declared to be AIFEN/SUGON incompatible, both worked with my AIFEN A3 without any issue. In measurement, both are in expected range of registance ohm value and reached to good temperature in (also newly arrived) tip temperature meter.In tip temperature meter, I noticed A3 to reach ~20 degC higher with C210/C115, while it goes ~10 degC lower with C245. It behaved the same across various tips (MAGMA, MECHANIC, OSS TEAM).Now, the surprise - I also ordered 6-pin T12 handle which is supposed to be unsupported in A3 and should only be used with T12-only AIFEN A8 station. After I checked the connection is compatible with (supported) 6-pin C245 handle, I plugged it in, and it works! Tip temperature was almost spot on with this unsupported tip type.C245 tip generally has ~3ohms registance with 40uV/degC sensitivity while T12 tip has 7-8ohms with 20uV/degC sensitivity. So I guess both ends up in similar temperature.AIFEN A3 does not show "current temperature" in its display, so that also helped - you just check power gauge and if it's not actively heating, then you should assume it has reached close enough to the configure temperature. This is good and bad, as tip temperature meter revealed its actual temperature quite varies.Anyway, this makes AIFEN A3 a station with all C115/C210/C245/C470/T12 tip support, although C470 and T12 support are unofficial. Quite impressive.

author: finebyme
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: June 26, 2023, 10:10:20 am
content: dont bother t3b my brand new t3b soldered for a couple evenings lightly , and thought this is fair good for the price ,untill im getting a docking code error that cannot be solved rendering the unit a piece of junk .ive contacted axiun they sent a file that doesent open no suppot /dont suppot mac nothing from there site downloads for me to a functioning level ,i have a windows 8.1 seems nothing works on that either i would not have purchased this if i knew how distant axiun in arfter sales .