Fast internet connection is money - Page 1
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author: gamalot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 03:45:57 pm
content: Fast internet connection is money, and it is also a joke to me.I have just got this email from Freelancer:I'm seeking someone in Melbourne who has NBN on their computer. I really, really need to transfer 40gb of mxf files via the net. Unfortunately I live in an area without NBN. So, if you're in Carlton, Yarraville, Brunswick or some new building in the city, please, offer to help me.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 03:52:02 pm
content: Quote from: gamalot on November 04, 2016, 03:45:57 pmSo he can't find a place for 40GB of video files? I mean I have a few 80GB SATA drives sitting here doing nothing, get one of those...If I missed the point, I honestly didn't get it.

author: gamalot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 03:57:42 pm
content: Quote from: TwoOfFive on November 04, 2016, 03:52:02 pmI guess he/she wants to upload 40GB of video files.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 03:58:49 pm
content: Quote from: gamalot on November 04, 2016, 03:57:42 pmCan't they use something like dropbox and make a couple accounts? Heck, youtube is an option too.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 04:06:41 pm
content: Quote from: TwoOfFive on November 04, 2016, 03:58:49 pmI don't think you're getting it... apparently Australian internet is so slow that transferring 40GB without NBN is inconceivable

author: gamalot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 04:09:34 pm
content: Quote from: TwoOfFive on November 04, 2016, 03:58:49 pmHe/She wants a faster internet connection, not the slow old ADSL connection what most people are using here in Australia.Let me show you the speed test result of my internet connection and you will understand.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 05:01:15 pm
content: Here's my Xfinity speed test in California. We are blessed by pretty reasonable speed. There is a speed grade above this but it gets expensive. 300 Mbps is adequate.Years ago, I had ADSL and it was grim. I had 4 dedicated IP addresses (very cool) but the links were down more than they were up. Once we got cable networking, I ran away from ADSL as fast as I could.

author: RGB255_0_0
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 05:06:24 pm
content: Probably quicker to mail it if you have 1Mbps upload (for example). 90 hours.

author: vodka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 05:22:26 pm
content: Quote from: gamalot on November 04, 2016, 04:09:34 pmSorry, I don't understand , with ADSL from 5 MB of download , he or she can't transfer 40 GB. I don't believe .I downloaded files of 40GB of size, with adsl 6 MB, 3 MB and 1 MB, it could late 1 or 2 days.Now it doesn't compare when before i downloaded 2 or 3GB with a modem 56kbaud, i could pass 2 or three month for finishing the download.

author: RGB255_0_0
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 05:27:31 pm
content: Download is not upload. If you don't have fibre or similar fast upload you're probably on ADSL where you probably have somewhere around 1000Kbps at best.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 05:49:25 pm
content: Send an USB drive over regular mail.https://cloud.google.com/storage/docs/offline-media-import-export

author: gamalot
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 05:54:54 pm
content: Quote from: RGB255_0_0 on November 04, 2016, 05:27:31 pmYes, it will take almost one week if I use my internet connection to upload 40GB files, and the download speed will be unbearable while full speed uploading.

author: JacobPilsen
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 08:31:39 pm
content: Quote from: gamalot on November 04, 2016, 04:09:34 pmBTW: We are massively using Wi-Fi, here in Czech Republic, for last (ten) mile problem, just because ADSL is overpriced.

author: Ampera
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 08:48:29 pm
content: Quote from: JacobPilsen on November 04, 2016, 08:31:39 pmWi-Fi is a local solution, not a wide area solution (WLAN vs WAN)

author: vodka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 08:52:04 pm
content: Quote from: JacobPilsen on November 04, 2016, 08:31:39 pmWith such wifi networks , that is more easiest somebody cadge to neigboursWhat is the ten miles problem?

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:08:35 pm
content: Quote from: vodka on November 04, 2016, 08:52:04 pmNone that I know of. Xfinity (Comcast) claims to have 1 million WiFi hotspots in California alone. These are unencrypted but a password is required.The reason there are so many is that Xfinity has turned residential WiFi routers into public hotspots - often without telling the customer.There have been some battles about this practice but I haven't followed along.http://www.sfgate.com/technology/article/Comcast-Wi-Fi-hotspots-to-count-on-routers-in-5548911.php

author: vodka
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2016, 09:27:56 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on November 04, 2016, 09:08:35 pmSimply is more easiest to resolve than the commission's bank,automatically you go down the wifi contracts.

author: Yansi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 01:39:40 am
content: Well, this is what you can get in central Europe in a city of about 10 000 residents for about 15€ / month. No restrictions, no FuP, no bullshit.Disclaimer: Measures only ~95mbit, bcs the router I have under my desk is only 100BASE. The house is connected using a fiber (as is mostly common in this area) and the actual speed coming in is about 200 to 600mbps (symmetrical, no upload restriction), depending on daytime and overall local network load.So don't be fine with getting ripped off by a suckers from state monopoly companies, you can fight them. We have already done that, it is possible. We are getting connectivity from a small local civic association.//But don't be mistaken, most of the state is still using a shitty DSL. But some improvements are being done, like VDSL and some big companies are also offering cable/fiber connection in some areas for very reasonable prices. It is only problematic in older densly populated areas like bigger cities, where the infrastructure is old, bad, poorly maintained and cannot be easily upgraded or replaced, like in smaller cities, where there is not much of an issue to dig up whole roads and replace all at once (power, phone, internet, city lighting cables,... - thats also why we do have almost none overhead lines in cities)

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 01:55:04 am
content: Quote from: RGB255_0_0 on November 04, 2016, 05:27:31 pmI have cable on a standard service plan, with an upload speed of 1.4Mbps (at the moment). Assuming I could get that consistently, it would take me the best part of 3 days toupload40GBNote - this says my service is faster than 79% of all Australia.

author: Yansi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 02:08:58 am
content: Well, it says me I am faster than 98%, but just wanted to make a point, that it is possible, to overcome the "big players" and create and maintain a great internet infrastructure, that does not cost much at all. There is just only small reasonable profit, that goes for building new and maintaining existing. No-one is doing this to get rich - and thats the biggest difference from the standard companies. As I have said, we are a self contained civic association. And I think it might be possible also elsewhere in the world. Just get some good people into it!

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 02:09:24 am
content: Back in the day, only option better than dialup to my house was ISDN. Of course, web pages weren't filled with video ads and all the junk that makes them load slowly even when you have a 200Mb connection, but I digress. For large downloads, it was almost always faster for me to drive the 20 minutes each way to the office where we had a T3 connection, download on my laptop or to a portable drive, and go back home. On the days I was REALLY smart, I'd first remote into the office, start the download, and then drive over - most things would be finished by the time I got there.

author: boffin
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 03:50:07 am
content: I've got quickish internet at work if I need it

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 04:11:12 am
content: Quote from: boffin on November 05, 2016, 03:50:07 amthat doesn't say anything about peering though. speedtest usually takes the nearest speedtest server.My home connected can push a solid 11Mbps to the telus speedtest server, but that rapidly drops off through hops.My sys/ovh box has 260Mbps to the ovh speedtest server but only 50-60Mbps to shaw's calgary or edmonton speedtest servers.Randomly, I tested to Australia. The box takes a 0.6-2.0s response time to Australia and download/upload speeds of around 10Mbps...China is even worse at 1-2Mbps and insanely inconsistent response times >=0.6s.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 05:11:49 am
content: He should compress a few times until it gets to let's say 10MB and then upload.

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 05:44:11 am
content: Maybe get a laptop and find some McDonalds or some location with free wifi and reasonable upload speed around you ?You could rent some Linux or Windows VPS with enough space for a month just in case free-wifi location limit direct video uploads, and you could split the 40 gig file in 20-50 MB chunks ( use winrar or 7zip to compress with minimal or no actual compression, and option to split archive in chunks) and upload them using ftp to your vps.Then use Remote Desktop connection to connect to your VPS unpack the big file and upload it again to the final destination.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 06:41:18 am
content: Quote from: janekm on November 04, 2016, 04:06:41 pmFor many people in this country, yes it is.Either because it's too sow, or because they have a data cap, and uploads almost always count.A very good 1Mbps ADSL connection would take 88hours to upload 40GB.I used to have to upload my videos at home because I had a 2.4Mbps upload instead of 1Mbps at the lab.

author: Rerouter
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 07:01:47 am
content: Your going to struggle even with NBN users, as they will need to be on a fast upload speed, generally in aus it is only business accounts that have high upload speeds, his best bet may actually be a public library, as last time i used one it had symmetrical 100/100,To others, internet accounts in australia tend to have very crippled upload speeds to discourage people running servers on there connections, though i stopped seeing the point of this when unlimited (not speed capped) data plans started popping up.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 07:12:17 am
content: Quote from: Rerouter on November 05, 2016, 07:01:47 amNot really.http://www.optus.com.au/shop/broadband/nbn/nbn-articles/how-fast-are-nbn-speedshttps://www.whistleout.com.au/Broadband/NBN-speed-tiers-explainedTier 3 is 25M/10MTier 4 is 50M/20MTier 5 is 100M/40MTier 4 is from $60/month, and you'd be crazy to go for Tier 1 whcih is 1Mbps upload because it's hardly any cheaper.I know this is still piss-poor compared to many countries, but for Australia this is pretty darn good.

author: JacobPilsen
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 09:35:35 pm
content: In CZ it was start when someone wants to share (overpriced) dial-up with friend in heighborhood.No problem to place UTP cable between flats in prefab panel building.But for friends living across street, they need something wireless (infrared, laser, microwave).Wi-Fi gets the optimal technology.Later they can establish Voluntary association and rent out some better connection to Internet.Now Wi-Fi is most used to distribution signal inside village and sometimes also from village to village and to nearest city.Association also rent out fibre optics cable between villages or using microwave lines (same GHz, but not exactly Wi-Fi).Quote from: Yansi on November 05, 2016, 01:39:40 amExactly.Quote from: vodka on November 04, 2016, 08:52:04 pmAre You asking: What is "last mile problem" ?

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 05, 2016, 10:49:39 pm
content: I think most if not all cable packages will have crippled upload speeds. Not only to stop people hosting stuff on their private lines, but it also saves bandwidth on the cable. They rather assign channels to more download speed than symmetrical upload, because that is what sells. With fiber a symmetrical line won't cost anything extra in terms of bandwidth, so it would make no sense to cripple it.In the end only a very small proportion of the public needs high upload, and yet smaller needs it to be up 24/7 (business grade by now). I think for content creators it would even suffice to have a 100Mbit upload line for only 4 hours a week, on-demand. You could upload 175GB in 4 hours theoratically, so if careful that's plenty to upload 1 youtube video per day at 10GB a pop. However I guess the hardware on the street is the problem.1Mbit internet in 2016 is ridiculous though. I still do know some people in NL that have ADSL because they live in remote area's, and I feel for them. They can basically only read the news online and hope to watch 1 YT when it's done prebuffering for 15 minutes. Online gaming is only possible when you turn off all other programs that communicate with the internet. I can't imagine basically 80% of the house holds in a country having to deal with that. It just plain sucks. Information is power, and the internet has it.I think the most basic ethernet connection I can get through cable here is 20Mbit/2Mbit from KPN. However that provider is generally very expensive. Most other companies offer 40/4 or 50/5 as their basic package. Costs around 30-40 euro per month. Usually for 5-10 euro's extra you get telephone and television extra.I currently have access to ethernet line from university campus, and get crazy speeds like 820Mbit down and 940Mbit up as of now with reasonably reliability (obviously it's a very stressed network). Don't want to sound like a dick (probably still do), but I will be spoiled when I move out of here back to a 100/10 connection.Yet it is strictly forbidden to appoint any DNS record to my IP, so I can't host anything here unless I get explicit permission that it's for research, college or student life related stuff.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2016, 04:26:50 pm
content: Quote from: hans on November 05, 2016, 10:49:39 pmFiber does not. Although, they're trying to prevent you from getting a symmetric line. New contracts will be 60/6 instead of 100/100.I really like it. I've setup my OwnCloud and am not using any file cloud service anymore. Just mail.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2016, 04:58:12 pm
content: Wish I could get the speed Dave has, at the prices he pays, but here it is not going to happen till they allow LLU, which will likely be the day after the heat death of the Universe. Fibre is coming slowly though, but, despite having 6 cables in the street, and a junction outside the door, it is coming on very slowly.There is a retirement village running it's own VDSL 40M network, using a 400M line, which they get free for the next year from my DSL supplier. I want to retire there!

author: Artlav
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 06, 2016, 10:51:38 pm
content: Gamalot - encrypt the files, put them on a thumbdrive and FedEx it to someone of the people who bragged about their othersideish upload speeds here for them to upload it.Clearly that's why they posted their connection info, right?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 07, 2016, 01:15:46 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on November 06, 2016, 04:58:12 pmYou mean the $400 a month I'm paying for 20M/20M, with a data cap?

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2016, 11:09:14 am
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on November 06, 2016, 04:26:50 pmFiber != Cable I mean.I mean cable like the old coax that shares television signal. It ofcourse has multiple TV channels, but also some frequencies dedicated to uplink and downlink data for phone and internet.From Ziggo I used to see like 8 channels for download with 256 QAM, and only 1 maybe 2 uplink with a less advanced modulation scheme (presumably because the supplied modems are kinda crap).Like this:https://ubeeinteractive.nl/images/Ubee_conf_basic_docsis.jpgOffering fiber packages with no symmetric data is just evil. But I think the unsuspecting average consumer won't notice. They won't give a damn about it anyway, and it's probably an easy way for them to make some extra money to offer one more upgrade in their pricing scheme.And yes indeed, since I've got this Gigabit line I plan to cancel my VPS and move all that stuff onto a NAS/HTPC/server box. Possibly add a 3 euro/month website and mailbox in there, and I'm completely off cloud services.

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2016, 03:34:38 pm
content: I'm very torn between running my own services or not. I used to, but at the time the best available connection I could get was a 144K symmetrical using IDSL (DSL over ISDN). My biggest problem was my meager pipe being clogged with spam - my spam filter kept it out of my mailbox, but it had to get there for my spam filter to discard it. Cloud based spam filters were off in the future. But still there were maintenance tasks to be done periodically. I got to the point where it was just a chore - I do the same sort of thing all day at work and when I get home I kind of just want my computer to work and not mess with it further. For the same reason I rarely open my computer and mess with it any more, I build it and it stays that way unless something fails or I've had it so long that it needs a bt of an upgrade.

author: BBBbbb
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 08, 2016, 04:27:32 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on November 07, 2016, 01:15:46 amWTF?I know Australia is quite vast, making the infrastructure expensive, but come on...I'm paying something like 17 usd for a 30M/30M and an additional 5usd for a static IP.I would rather give up on a few Ms off my DL rather than UL.I'm guessing you're on a "business customer" tariff, with close to zero down time, but even those packages here would go for a 100 to 200 usd max.ISPs capping data here is quite rare for now.

author: Artlav
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2016, 08:02:10 pm
content: Quote from: BBBbbb on November 08, 2016, 04:27:32 pmYep.You can get faster internet for a lot cheaper in the Middle of Nowhere, Russia than in bloody Sydney, Australia.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2016, 05:33:45 am
content: Quote from: Artlav on November 08, 2016, 08:02:10 pmAustralia is abysmally isolated though. Anything that leaves has to be routed through an ocean cable.My 1Gbps box at Leaseweb Singapore only pushes 20Mbps to Sydney speedtest servers.the population is pretty small for a high capital object such as a trenched cable. Wiki says Australia and Shanghai have about the same population.

author: JacobPilsen
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 09, 2016, 05:22:08 pm
content: Quote from: Artlav on November 08, 2016, 08:02:10 pmOver satellite???