Advice to Employers - Page 1
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author: IntegratedValve
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 10:57:26 pm
content: Never higher underage for professional work. This is an advice from someone who survived several workplaces for so long. I mean by underage for professional work is below 30. Yes at least 30 otherwise you are digging your own grave as an employer, risking the healthy work environment. Here's a list of smells many below-30 share:1) Their job will always be a step to another job.2) Cannot stay more than a year3) Disrespectful to others4) Ego-centered5) Low quality work6) Moody7) ArrogantO0

author: 8086
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:00:38 pm
content: Quote from: IntegratedValve on November 25, 2013, 10:57:26 pm1) If it was a good job with good compensation they would stay. Why do you begrudge self-improvement?2) See 1).3) Generalisation fail.4) See 3).5) They may not know all the tricks a more experienced person does, but regardless, see 3).6) See 3).7) See 3).

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:07:27 pm
content: Quote from: IntegratedValve on November 25, 2013, 10:57:26 pmAfter removing the items that are equally common in old farts, we are left with an apt description of "guy who didn't pay attention in school", and I suspect they will be weeded out rather quickly.Next!

author: strangelovemd12
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:07:45 pm
content: If you're in the US or any country with employment discrimination laws, I have a feeling this post will one day be known as "Exhibit A".Also, our music is too loud.

author: Dave
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:18:33 pm
content: So, if I understood correctly, when people turn 30, they settle for their job, they suddenly can stay for more than a year, become respectful, selfless, the quality of their work becomes decent, and they stop being moody and arrogant.I applaud your stupidity.

author: Six_Shooter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:22:27 pm
content: Quote from: Dave on November 25, 2013, 11:18:33 pm

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:24:12 pm
content: Am I the only one who noticed that all but #2 describes all politicians?

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:27:29 pm
content: Actually, when people start to reach the age of 30 they start to behave like adults. Forget stupid artificial legal age limits like 18 or 21. There is a strange trend that people try to prolong their younger days more and more beyond 18/21, and refuse to grow up. When it comes to taking responsibility for their actions, their work, etc., when it comes to stopping to behave stupid and being proud of behaving stupid then around 30 is indeed the mark to look for.

author: strangelovemd12
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:39:01 pm
content: When you're a kid there are certain areas of the brain that are underdeveloped to the point that a toddler can't comprehend that water poured from a short wide glass into a tall skinny one does not increase in volume. Or that if a card is black on one side, and white on the other, the black side must be facing away if the white side is towards them. Most of these things are gone by postpubescence, and once the brain is more or less done growing (early 20s-ish) you've run out of reasons to judge someone based on the number of years they've been alive. But the truth is that I have seen people born 15 years ago that are more adult than people born 30 years ago.In my experience maturity is largely a function of howmuchshit you've waded through, not how long you've been doing it.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:48:40 pm
content: Quote from: Bored@Work on November 25, 2013, 11:27:29 pmThe other side of this coin is that if you continue to treat them like children, you reinforce this trend, possibly screwing yourself in the future.

author: Alana
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:51:37 pm
content: Quote from: strangelovemd12 on November 25, 2013, 11:39:01 pm+1I have professional problem with "25 year old guy behaving like a pre-teen".

author: Six_Shooter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 25, 2013, 11:54:54 pm
content: Quote from: strangelovemd12 on November 25, 2013, 11:39:01 pmQuote from: c4757p on November 25, 2013, 11:48:40 pm

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 12:07:18 am
content: Fire people who use Text Speak in e-mails."R U finished w/ ur project?"FIRED!

author: fcb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 12:15:24 am
content: Quote from: IntegratedValve on November 25, 2013, 10:57:26 pmHow old are you?

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 12:16:21 am
content: They'll work cheap though and can be suckered into doing ridiculously long hours.

author: manticore00
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 12:42:00 am
content: 1 & 2 are interrelated these days. I'm 29 but it became apparent to me early in my career that what the market considered to be my appropriate compensation, position and title rapidly began to differ from what my employer at a given time would offer me and the only way to advance was to change jobs. I've got to a position now where I'm happy where I am and I have an employer with good compensation plans, but I wouldn't have made it here if I hadn't realized that employees as well as employers need to have a mercenary attitude when it comes to the labor market.Unfortunately companies love market forces when it drives down costs or allows them to improve margins, but whenever market forces improve in favor of employees and increases in pay then suddenly they can't find "qualified" workers because they can't find anyone willing to sell their soul for peanuts.

author: GeoffS
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 12:46:32 am
content: I stopped paying attention when the OP used 'higher' instead of 'hire'.As would most employers.

author: Six_Shooter
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 12:52:48 am
content: Quote from: GeoffS on November 26, 2013, 12:46:32 amGood call, for some reason I missed that, and I usually spot the incorrect usage.I'm slipping...

author: RRobot
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 02:24:42 am
content: I'm way past 30, but I work with lots of people in their twenties and have not noticed anything unusually unprofessional about the majority of them.Perhaps your company needs to interview/screen/pay better if these are the types of people that are getting in.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 04:06:52 am
content: Quote from: IntegratedValve on November 25, 2013, 10:57:26 pmJudging by this post you are either still wearing diapers or you are a crufty old fart (in which case diapers may be in order as well)

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 08:49:25 am
content: Quote from: free_electron on November 26, 2013, 04:06:52 amI suspect it's the latter. I also suspect there's some senility there too.I stayed in my first job for five years, and eight in my second. Since then I've spent the next 16 years without staying more than two years in a job. I've known excellent young engineers, full of enthusiasm and a determination to use new tricks and technologies. I've known old farts state that "you can't possibly improve our oscillator product line, we've been using those transistors and assemblies for thirty years and we now know everything there is to know."In general, more experience tells you what not to do, but not what should be done.

author: grumpydoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 10:12:16 am
content: There is some evidence that we're not fully "adult" until 25 or so, but really - what FFS do you expect people to do between leaving university at 21 and 30 when you deem them "fit" for professional employment?Without 9 years of experience (yes, if necessary with different employers) how the <expletive deleted> do you expect them to gain the experience, maturity and stability that you so obviously require?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 10:17:56 am
content: Quote from: grumpydoc on November 26, 2013, 10:12:16 amBy starting with a "good & humble" attitude ?

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 26, 2013, 10:55:52 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on November 26, 2013, 10:17:56 amI don't want humble, I need enthusiasm, energy, vitality and a desire to change outdated views. i do want politeness in how that is expressed.