Wikileaks release the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) IP rights chapter - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2015, 04:28:10 pm
content: https://wikileaks.org/tpp-ip3/WikiLeaks-TPP-IP-Chapter/WikiLeaks-TPP-IP-Chapter-051015.pdf

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2015, 10:21:02 pm
content: How hard will the ISPs really try to block users?

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 11:36:23 am
content: Quote from: Someone on October 09, 2015, 10:21:02 pmDepends on how hard the US government leans on them. Most will roll over and beg with just a threat, and remove the link from their local DNS servers.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 12:38:46 pm
content: I'm lost as English isn't my native, what is this all about ?

author: digsys
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 01:14:08 pm
content: 40 feet deep in lawyer-speak, so you know it's not going to be good news.This section of the TPP seems to deal with IP (Intellectual Property) and Patents. Mostly with pharmaceuticals and technology (and anything tied to it).It's impossible EVER to understand the lawyer talk, but it seems everyone has agreed to honour whatever ownership rights any company submits, without right of challenge.Plus they want ISPs to ban / track / log any individuals / companies that "break" any of these rules. etc etcI know I'm over-simplifying it, but having been following this for a while, it's pretty much what was proposed from the beginning. OZ gets a few export tariffs lifted, on agricultureetc .. big deal. PLUS it's open for more restrictions / penalties later.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 01:51:23 pm
content: Usually I'm not into paranoia but if a treaty cannot be explained to the common people, needs to be discussed behind closed doors then there is something smelly about it. If there needs to be so much secrecy it means the people negotiating don't trust each other to do the right thing. How are we supposed to do business that way? It smells like a few big companies are the driving force behind the treaty hoping they cancircumventconsumer protection andproduct safetylaws.I'd definitely vote against as any person who holds democratic principles high should do.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 02:02:00 pm
content: I can't get two paragraphs in without being offended :QuoteWell thanks for pointing out the bloody obvious I guess.QuoteSoftware patents mandatory.QuoteOhh, something which doesn't suck. (Patent lawyers HATE grace periods, so you know they have to be good ... not being ironic here.)QuoteOf course the only reason for the grace period is because it's American law and now we come to the downsides of exporting American law. Longer patent terms for medicines everywhere. Mickey Mouse extension act was also incorporated.QuoteThis sounds extremely dangerous (ie. they can bankrupt you before you can challenge the patent).The anti-piracy stuff is all really tame, there has to be room for punitive damages in civil law but they are not specified so American type judgements are not exported. Government has a lot of room in how to implement the laws for ISPs as well :QuoteThere is no obligation on the part of ISPs to record information, other than what governments put into law based on the above.QuoteThis won't really change things much for most countries I think.PS. actually the software patents could be avoided throughNew Zealand's method. Although I'd say that would be unlikely to stand up in an ISDS (native judges would be more likely to defer to government on what constitutes an invention in my opinion).

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 05:06:47 pm
content: One strange thing about IP rights is that 70 year thing because some companies don't do anything with the IP that they own. A good example is Walt Disney and it's likely that they will hold the rights to anything to do with Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck for all of eternity. However, how long has it been since Disney released a new movie or even a short cartoon featuring Mickey Mouse? As an experiment I went downstairs and spoke to the neighbor's little girl who's a very active three year old, she couldn't identify Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck and only knew who Pluto was because he's on one of her pyjama tops.Disney may hold the copyright on that little crowd but they are fading from the minds of little boys and girls.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 05:27:12 pm
content: How is the British involvement in these recent trade deals? Since you're?It seems like they got inspired by movies where corporations are more powerful than governments.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 06:03:49 pm
content: Quote from: German_EE on October 10, 2015, 05:06:47 pmSend them to DisneylandAnyway, this deal should not be secret. It reminds me the immortal statement by the ex head of our Congressshttp://youtu.be/hV-05TLiiLU

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 06:48:56 pm
content: That's my point. Send little Hannah to Disneyland and she'll encounter Mickey and Donald for the first time. There is NO new media featuring the old characters and they just seem content to rake in the cash from their latest production. Compare this with Marvel Comics who have a whole universe of movies and DC Comics who have updated the Batman and Superman franchises on a regular basis.Come to think about it, Superman and Mickey Mouse are similar ages. Didn't 'The Man of Steel' start of as a radio series in the 1930's?

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 07:31:07 pm
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on October 10, 2015, 05:27:12 pmOh we already have that shit like 70 year extensions on the death of Cliff Richard for his corporation to carry on milking his Summer Holiday song... I believe singing Happy Birthday used to be illegal in the USA without payment of royalties to some chain of copyright owners going back over a hundred years.Our UK ISP laws suck too. However, copyright infringement is not a criminal offence here but civil and I suspect the same in our former antipodean and canadian colonies. The wording on the copyright crimes is to make sure the jail time is severe - on a par with the Hollywood economics involved in damages claims, so as to send out a message...Also, specific stuff like making a shitty camcording of a movie in a cinema using your mobile phone - now a criminal offence.Sorry, but a trade deal should be some kind of broad agreement, not one with hacked in specifically odd passages that only benefit a certain class of corporation.Anyway, I noticed Dave twittering about TPP and I spotted that release within a few hours of its wiki release and decided to post here.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2015, 08:25:42 pm
content: For what it's worth, TPP only requires infringement for commercial gain to be criminal. The patent part is much more insidious, especially in combination with ISDS.