Sleev - Protect your wires from damage - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 12:40:21 pm
content: They have invented adhesive lined heatshrinkhttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/217809965/sleev-protect-your-wires-from-damage

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 01:05:04 pm
content: You mean I can buy a short precut length of adhesive lined sleeving with a ultra high shrink ratio for only $$FARKHOWMUCH? I have some from RS that I used for cabling, and used a black variety in the military for connectors. Hellerman Tyton also has it in premade variable diameter types with a popular one being a Tee off connection for cabling, along with high voltage ones for cable jointing.I small repackaging for rubes here.

author: sunnyhighway
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 01:26:58 pm
content: They actually could be innovative here.For a regular shrink tube to be effective as a strain relieve you need the lining.At least they got that right.But it still does nothing for the bending problem.The cable would eventually fail just next to the shrink tube, because after shrinking the wall would be thick and stiff on the cable end.Of course you could get some preformed shrink tube, but that won't help you with existing cables.What always baffled me you cannot get shrink tube with a thick wall on one end (connector side) and a thin wall at the other end (cable side).THAT would be innovative.

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 01:54:11 pm
content: They've invented the idea of re-packaging adhesive lined heat shrink as something that can be sold as part of the whole "green" bandwagon. They'll probably get a patent for their 'novel' use of existing tech

author: Noise Floor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 02:05:48 pm
content: The community here should have a contest of which technologies they can repackage and sell.

author: AndyC_772
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 03:40:17 pm
content: Quote from: Noise Floor on February 08, 2015, 02:05:48 pmThe trouble with that, is that the application they've come up with is exactly what the product was for in the first place. I might just as well repackage and sell a pencil as a device for writing shopping lists; it would be no more or less original.

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 09:09:09 pm
content: If I don't just go buy some (expensive) adhesive-lined heatshrink at Jaycar (AUS)OR - I cut tiny slivers of hot glue and stuff them inside regular heatshrink along with the wires or parts I'm locking up --- and believe it or not, heating the regulars sleeving makes the glue melt too... even better than lined tubing. - because it runs in between the conductors as well forming a linear water barrier as well!

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 09:24:43 pm
content: You're all laughing but they've made $6,000 so far...

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 10:12:59 pm
content: Why do they only show Apple cables? It looks like they are aiming for a specific target audience.Those apple cables are actually of reasonable quality surviving about a thousand mating cycles. I've "lost" only 1 cable's isolation in the 3 years of my 4S and the cable still works.It's funny how they've spent "months of work and prototyping", the heatshrink apparently had a long delivery time.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 11:15:50 pm
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on February 08, 2015, 10:12:59 pmI was told that the quality depatment was on vacation when the new "lightning" cable was made. It breaks. ThankGODJOBS that there is a chip inside the cable, and no one can copy their piece of copper. But I'm sure this is like alien technology to most people.

author: PeterFW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2015, 11:23:52 pm
content: I like the detailed camerawork, the actual demonstration of the working product was what sold me on the idea.The close up photos of the applied product on the cable were the icing on the cake.I love how nothing is left for the imagination, that is a astoundingly good documentaion!

author: FrankenPC
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 05:59:25 am
content: I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to re-package post-it notes as a revolutionary analog human memory storage system...on Kickstarter.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 06:53:54 am
content: Quote from: sunnyhighway on February 08, 2015, 01:26:58 pmThats easy to prevent.Multilayer thin shrink sleeve with slightly longer lengths on the cable and shorter on top layer tospreadthe bending moment over a longer section of cable.I can achieve 5-10x the conductor life on a 4 core flex in this manner.

author: Balaur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 03:29:24 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on February 09, 2015, 06:53:54 amThat's a good very good idea. I also like to top it up with a slightly longer piece of sleeve. This way, the finish is nicer, the underlying sections are covered and their ends will not fray as much.

author: nixfu
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 03:32:46 pm
content: Jesus...H...Christ.You mean, people have never heard of heatshrink?

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 04:43:48 pm
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on February 08, 2015, 10:12:59 pmBecause the MicroUSB and 30 Pin iphone cables can be purchased at the dollar store.

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 09, 2015, 10:37:56 pm
content: Is this still alive ?Just go order some here ! ...http://search.jaycar.com.au/search?w=glue%20lining&view=listhttp://www.carroll.com.au/protection-products/heat-shrink-tubing/heavy-wall-adhesive-lined-tubing-lengths-hwl12-5w.htmlhttp://www.heatshrink.com/pc_combined_results.asp?pc_id=92F2FE9EE162419280E075B694253B5F

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 12:48:33 am
content: If anyone is ever concerned about the intellect of "the average consumer", be concerned no more! It's as low as you could imagine, perhaps lower.There really must be a lot of people with a lot more disposable income than brain cells to pre-purchase special heat-shrink on Kickstarter (of all places!) when they could just go to buyheatshrink.com (yes, a real site) and get it cheaper and shipped immediately.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 10:51:25 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on February 09, 2015, 02:22:00 pmHm, one thing I do like about Apple is if you bring your failed Apple cable in to them, they will replace it free of charge...

author: mcinque
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 12:27:54 pm
content: HOW THE HELL THEY COULD RAISE SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS WITH THOSE HEATSHRINK PIECES?!?!?This is quite ridiculous.

author: elgonzo
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 12:37:20 pm
content: Quote from: mcinque on February 10, 2015, 12:27:54 pmSimple: Excellent marketing. Then again, doing a successful marketing campaign is perhaps not that simple.

author: Excavatoree
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2015, 02:12:24 pm
content: See my kickstarter for a tin/lead alloy that melts at (relatively) low temperatures that can be used to make reliable electrical connections.I'll leave it for further innovators to come up with the lead free version.

author: Nerull
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2015, 04:59:01 am
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on February 08, 2015, 10:12:59 pmI've never seen an apple cable that made it more than few months before the insulation failed at the connector. They're notorious for it. The minimalist aesthetic design provides no strain relief whatsoever.

author: mikerj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2015, 03:37:08 pm
content: Quote from: Excavatoree on February 10, 2015, 02:12:24 pmI'm just about to contribute to someone who has invented a novel electricity conduction device using multiple copper strands enveloped in a cylindrical polymer insulating layer, so your invention is very timely

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2015, 04:18:01 pm
content: Quote from: Nerull on February 11, 2015, 04:59:01 amFunny, I've used Apple cables since I got my first iPod in like 2003, and none of my cables have ever failed. I'm pretty sure I still have my original 30-pin iPod cable from >10 years ago, as well as all of the 30-pin and lightning cables since then, again all of which are still in pristine condition.Then again, I treat wires and cables properly. I don't tie them in knots, rip at them from the side, coil them up in 1cm diameter balls, or any other blatant abuse that the average consumer puts their cables through.

author: PeterFW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2015, 05:01:22 pm
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on February 11, 2015, 04:18:01 pmMy guess would be, that you are not the target group.When you charge your device you plug it in and let it sit on the bench till it is fully charged and then disconnect it, right?But now, think of the brainless smartphone zombies.They plug the device in and keep playing with it, putting constant strain of the stress relief of the cable.On top that, they keep the charger with them at all times because they are afraid to run out of battery in the pub.Just think how it would be if they were unable to instragram the fancy cocktail they just ordered.At least those are the people who i hear complaining about the cable quality.

author: vikasbly44
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2015, 08:25:26 am
content: Dear....you can protect to your sleev wire from damage...and thiswire already hasthe followin functionality.....there is minimal chemical reaction between copper and concrete, and the sleeve is meant to protect the area where the ground wires exit the concrete, assuming you seal it up with silicone. Is there any reference material discussing ground wire installation methods in concrete. This is not technically for a Ufer ground, but it is meant to keep all metallic objects at the same potential, including rebar.

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2015, 10:49:21 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on February 17, 2015, 10:43:59 amErr, Apple has had complete wireless management for _years_. You need to plug your phone/pad/pod into iTunes exactly _once_ to authenticate it, then you can do everything wirelessly. No screwing around with ftp, wired/wireless it works exactly the same..As a data point, I've had 2 30 pin cables fail, but both of those were (freakin expensive) 3rd party cables. None of my Apple cables have failed.

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 17, 2015, 05:26:09 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on February 17, 2015, 10:43:59 amQuote from: mojo-chan on February 17, 2015, 10:43:59 amYes it's more expensive than a micro USB, but c'mon...the device comes with one, and they work through all models, all generations, iPhone, iPad, iPod, iWhatever. How many do youreallyneed to buy over the next, say, 5-10 years? 1? 2? At $17 each it's not that bad, you're just being hyperbolic.Frankly, I'm happy to spend $15 moreone time(or two times, or zero times if you're fine with just having one cable) if it means I don't have to deal with micro USB for the next five years, micro USB is horrible.

author: mux
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 08:22:01 am
content: What's wrong with µUSB? It's mechanically very well-designed, it's awesomely compatible with everything, handles power just fine, you can mix&match brands without issue... I mean, if we're comparing all this to Apple's 30-pin and thunderbolt: micro-usb is just objectively better except maybe for design aesthetic? Which I still find very questionable in regards to the 30-pin.The biggest issue I can see is that micro-usb is an open market, so you're bound to have bad examples here and there. But overall.... pretty good.

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 08:39:04 am
content: Quote from: mux on February 18, 2015, 08:22:01 amWhich is all well and good if all you ever want is USB and low power...

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 11:45:19 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on February 18, 2015, 11:11:33 amNo, not really. There are alternatives on a number of operating systems.

author: PeterFW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 02:44:58 pm
content: Quote from: BradC on February 18, 2015, 08:39:04 amThe connector is designed for USB, the next best i could find is rated a 1,8A.Why would you ever want to use a connector that is designed to transmit USB signal for something different.Even at 1A current, nearly all devices designed to use this connector will charge in a acceptable time.The µUSB connector is just fine, you seem to have some irrational hate towards it...

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 04:02:21 pm
content: Quote from: mux on February 18, 2015, 08:22:01 amAdoption has nothing to do with whether or not it's a good connector, so compatibility with various brands is irrelevant. I'm talking about the connector itself, it's shit. Orientation is difficult to figure out (try doing it in the dark), the sharp corners means you can't connect it unless the alignment is perfect, and after ~100 mating cycles the retention is gone and you need to replace the cable. That's pathetic. I despise using µUSB on my devices that require it, and would happily pay 5x the price to get a connector with none of those problems, which it just so happens the Lightning connector is exactly that.

author: Balaur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 04:14:57 pm
content: Quote from: PeterFW on February 18, 2015, 02:44:58 pmI beg to differ. My Nexus 10 has a 9Ah battery. 1A may not charge it fully overnight.

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 04:15:05 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on February 18, 2015, 11:14:50 amHeaven forbid they change the connector TWICE in 11 years to keep up with the times. How many times has Samsung, Motorola, etc. changed the connector on their phones, mp3 players, etc.?Quote from: mojo-chan on February 18, 2015, 11:14:50 amI can't say I've experienced the same. All of the 3rd party accessories I purchased for my iPod 4th gen (click wheel) worked with everything up through the iPhone 4S without issue. All of the ones that were USB-based have continued to work with the Lightning connector as well (DACs and the like).

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 04:15:35 pm
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on February 18, 2015, 04:02:21 pmI can feel the 'up' marker..QuoteI've been using the same cables to charge my devices for four years. The phone goes on every night. Still holds well.

author: PeterFW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 04:53:46 pm
content: Quote from: Balaur on February 18, 2015, 04:14:57 pmI can not see were this makes my statement not true, read again what i wrote...And in addition, a Nexus 10 does not need the µUSB connector.

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 04:57:49 pm
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on February 18, 2015, 04:02:21 pmI agree that the orientation of micro/mini/standard USB is a pain in the pass, but the idea that with micro you get 100 cycles before the retention is gone? That's just nonsense. My Galaxy phone uses a micro connector and I plug it in at least twice a day (at night and at work) and have since I got it in September of 2012 and it locks perfectly fine. And many times I've picked up the phone while it's connected and forgotten and wrenched on the cable, or had it fall off the desk or nightstand onto the wood floor.The newest implementation of USB has a orientation free connector - IIRC. That's really the only problem with the connector now I'd say... should have been orientation neutral from the get-go. An example of engineers being out of touch with what the market wants and doing what is "technically better".

author: suicidaleggroll
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 05:30:28 pm
content: Quote from: Corporate666 on February 18, 2015, 04:57:49 pmThat's been my experience. 6 months to a year of daily or semi-weekly use and the retention is down significantly, to the point where the cable falls out if I bump the device with my elbow and move it an inch while it's charging.Orientation-free would be a huge improvement. Add to that some rounded corners and edges so that it aligns itself like a funnel when you go to plug it in, rather than catching and refusing to mate, and it won't be so terrible.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 06:05:59 pm
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on February 18, 2015, 05:30:28 pmTwo years of daily use, still solid. Odd.Perhaps you should buy well built devices?

author: PeterFW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 06:13:18 pm
content: Quote from: Monkeh on February 18, 2015, 06:05:59 pmThe cable sold with my phone "broke" after 3,5 years of daily use.Thats well over 1260 cycles...

author: Corporate666
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 18, 2015, 10:43:51 pm
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on February 18, 2015, 05:30:28 pmI agree that orientation free is a big step forward.. I'm not sure if you've seen the latest USB-C connector?http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/reversible-tiny-faster-hands-on-with-the-usb-type-c-plug/Not sure when it will start showing up in the wild. One thing is clear... love or hate Apple, they don't often do really stupid things in terms of usability like many others do. I don't know who didn't think "orientation free would be better" when they were coming up with micro USB. It's not like every person ever in the world hadn't dealt with some level of frustration at the polarity needs of type-A and type-B.On the 100 cycles thing... I'd guess it was a shitty cable. I have the original cable from my phone at home and got one of the Amazon branded ones for work... both have hundreds if not >1000 cycles on them and click and hold nicely.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2015, 08:59:57 am
content: Blackberry Bold 9900 from 2011, plug it everyday at least once and the connector and original cable lock just fine. I also hook it to my PC at least once or twice a week to transfer data with the same data cable I use to charge it.

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 19, 2015, 11:33:17 am
content: Quote from: PeterFW on February 18, 2015, 02:44:58 pmPardon? I _never_ said a bad word against the µUSB connector. I simply pointed out that the connectors people are moaning about (the Apple 30 pin and the new Lightning) are not just there to be arbitrarily different or complex, but they are used for far more than just power and usb. If you only want low power and/or usb then the USB standard connectors are fine. 2.1A into the USB connector is pushing the friendship, and I've yet to see one do component video or HDMI.I think you best check who you're replying to before launching off like that.

author: mux
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 21, 2015, 12:24:39 pm
content: Quote from: suicidaleggroll on February 18, 2015, 04:02:21 pmI'm not saying adoption proves the well-designedness, I'm flat out saying the engineering on it is very good. I don't recognize your problems with it at all, even orientation is no problem for me with any of my devices. A good quality connector (on most reasonable brand mobile hardware) will last a lifetime. I'm designing all my own products with µUSB and have had much fewer problems on the technical side as well. This is definitely a step up from basically all combined power/data connectors of the past.That being said, USB 3.x micro-C will improve on the orientation as well as power delivery issues.Every small connector, including custom jobs like Apple's connectors, will have issues in some way or another. Cheap knockoffs will have looser tolerances, bad board design will cause connectors to rip off, badly designed cables will twist and break. The fact that Apple's products are generally at least midrange in build quality doesn't mean fundamentally that their connector design is better, only that their manufacturing tolerances are up to spec.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: February 21, 2015, 10:40:06 pm
content: Quote from: AndyC_772 on February 08, 2015, 03:40:17 pmAnd I can repackage bamboo skewers made for Shish Kabobs as non conducting circuit tracing tools. Skycraft here in central FL sells the same thing for quite a bit cheaper. I have some here that I insulate long phillips screwdrivers with. I don't use them on mains power, low voltage DC only.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2015, 04:26:27 pm
content: Quote from: Monkeh on February 18, 2015, 06:05:59 pmYou mean like the Asus built Google Nexus 7 tablet I have? The cable is literally falling out of the connector with a slightest movement, using the original cable that shipped with it 2 years ago. Pretty much 6 months and the connectors were worn out and the device was getting only light use, spending most of its time plugged in charging.My HTC Desire HD phone had the same problem after a few months too. Changing cable helps only for a short while, until the retention latches wear out and/or the connector in the phone stretches/bends even more from the constant use.It is a mechanically piss-poor weakly designed connector, period. Add to that the usual gripes about how difficult is it to insert the cable in it, especially in the dark or where you cannot see it well. I have never had a mini USB or a standard sized USB connector wear out, but with micro USB it is starting to look like a planned obsolescence already.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2015, 04:52:17 pm
content: Quote from: janoc on February 26, 2015, 04:26:27 pmAsus are not a high end brand, no matter their marketing, and HTC fell out of favour, wonder why.Multiple Samsung phones down the road, many years of abuse.. tight USB sockets still.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2015, 05:00:31 pm
content: I have had both a Samsung Galaxy S2 and S4 with USB problems. The S2 required the port to be cleaned every 2-3 months or it would go into Car Mode occasionally (I'm guessing it's sensing some resistance between lines.) The S4 refused to sync or charge properly unless the cable was bent inwards, so I sent that one back.

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 26, 2015, 07:12:53 pm
content: I'm thinking of a new crowd-funded project for people that need to rework their heat-wrapped cables & connectors.Heatshrink sleevingwithoutadhesive lining.what do you think?Is it worth pursuing...

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2015, 01:56:38 pm
content: Quote from: Monkeh on February 26, 2015, 04:52:17 pmAh, right, I should have realized that!

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2015, 09:42:57 am
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on February 09, 2015, 02:22:00 pmThe weakest part of micro USB is the stupid surface mount PCB mounted connector. Search Ebay for tablets that "Don't Charge Anymore" and you will have a bunch of examples of people breaking the connector off the PCB.

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2015, 02:18:57 pm
content: You know what? It's actually a brilliant idea. They are marketing a product that already exists, but this time catered to the consumer. When this hits the shelves of walmart they are gonna be rich, while you stay poor. Marketing 101. And, no, I still think you won't be able to convince most people that there's a DIY solution called heat shrink. Remember most people are afraid of technology and DIY, for no reason.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2015, 07:20:19 pm
content: OMGOMG!! I just came up with the followup product for these guys...Imagine this.. It's a device for holding two things together....I call it.....SKRUUU!Here is a concept picture!

author: ivan747
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2015, 07:29:06 pm
content: Quote from: Smokey on March 03, 2015, 07:20:19 pmExactly. Now, report to wallmart and tell them about your new invention, release 10 commertials, give product samples and come up with a slogan. You'll be rich.Sarcasm aside, things like this have happened before. Just go to your favorite TV channel at 5 in the morning and look at all the infomertials.

author: Smokey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2015, 11:18:02 pm
content: Quote from: ivan747 on March 04, 2015, 07:29:06 pmWatch out buddy!!! George Foreman totally invented the panini press all by himself!

author: NF6X
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2015, 04:15:31 pm
content: Quote from: ivan747 on March 03, 2015, 02:18:57 pmHowever, they are claiming that theyinventedthe tubing from raw materials and developed prototypes, while it is pretty clear that they took common adhesive-lined heat shrink tubing that has been manufactured for years for this exact purpose, cut off a short piece, and lied about inventing it. That pushes this beyond clever marketing and into the territory of scams.Quote from: ivan747 on March 03, 2015, 02:18:57 pmWalmart wouldn't pay them a single Canadian penny. Walmart would call up a long-established Chinese manufacturer of adhesive-lined heat shrink tubing and say "hey, cut it into 2cm lengths and cram it into bags for us". Then the manufacturer would slide the automatic tubing-cutter's stop block from the 1m position to the 2cm position, or draw another line on the workers' tables, depending on how automated their long-established process is.

author: NF6X
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 07, 2015, 04:20:04 pm
content: P.S.: This is where I buy my "Sleev":http://www.mcmaster.com/#heat-shrink-tubing/=w7gmcgIt's amazing how many specialized varieties of the stuff there are:http://www.mcmaster.com/#heat-shrink-tubing/=w7gn9k