Siglent SDS1104X-E on Amazon US for $399 ($100 off) 28 Oct 2022 - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2022, 02:52:12 pm
content: Amazon US has the Siglent SDS1104X-E on sale for $399 (reg $499)Not sure how long it will last or if there is a similar discount in other countries.https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0771N1ZF9(this is a clean, non-affiliate link)If this kind of post isn't appropriate, let me know (or just delete it if you're a moderator)

author: Old Printer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2022, 03:37:28 pm
content: That is a good deal, that price of 499 has been very stable for some time. I have seen a couple of returns being resold in the mid $400's but that's the best I have seen.BTW I checked it online and I get the same $399. Saelig still has it for $499

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2022, 03:49:18 pm
content: Amazon.es - 508€ Almost the same...https://www.amazon.es/-/pt/dp/B0771N1ZF9/

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 08:10:39 am
content: price of $399.10 is good for me in Amazon-USA. trend is highest is $499 and occasionally dips to $375. The $399.10 is still good.see image, peak is the $499 price. chart for following price I got from honey app, but you can use many other apps that do same thing (however they follow you on Internet, so just know you give up some privacy to use these apps).See the attached image with Price trend on this. I don't know how to make image inside the post

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 09:32:50 pm
content: just bought this scope. pretty excited about the $399 sale price and decided I didn't want to wait until Black friday to see if it would go to $375.I'm new to the forum. is there one place where all the newest hacks for it are kept? where should I start. thanks a bunch.

author: Old Printer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 09:45:51 pm
content: I've had mine a bit over three years and still have not hacked it, just don't need to, so I am not up on the latest info. Still, you will love it, a great hobby scope for sure and a deal at $399. A fellow forum member Tautech will be along. He takes some heat as he is the New Zealand distributor for Siglent, and while he is the first to recommend Siglent to most anyone who will listen (as if he gets a commission from a scope sold in New Jersey) he works hard to help any Siglent users that ask for tech help. He has been a valuable resource for me for sure. Enjoy.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 10:06:10 pm
content: Quote from: river on October 31, 2022, 09:32:50 pmAs OP says you now have a lot of scope to get used to.BTW, what you describe as hacks isn't, it's just installing unofficial option codes generated with a python code which produces the same option codes as if they were official ones.

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 10:32:56 pm
content: yes, I'd like to unlock everything now and just get it all set up so I don't have to worry about that in the future.This is my first oscilloscope.Are there any downsides to unlocking it? if not I think I'd like to just do it all.Amazon is seller + shipper (should be here in 2 days).

author: Muttley Snickers
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 10:37:05 pm
content: This is the EEVblog forum and we don't do hacks here, just enhancements.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 10:38:18 pm
content: QuoteYes, it´s illegal and voiding warranty.But hey, who cares about it..

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 10:49:09 pm
content: then I probably will not unlock/ enhance it at all until after the warranty expires.How long is the warranty on Siglent? I think some of comments in Amazon say 3 years.Do they reimburse you for shipping it to them for reimbursement or do email / phone troubleshooting and send you the parts to self-repair if needed?thanks

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 10:52:53 pm
content: I followed this set of instructions to use the python keygen script:-https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/unlocking-siglent-sds1104x-e-step-by-step/msg4066828/#msg4066828A few suggestions:- use a LAN or WiFi connection to be able to use the web console to enter SCPI commands to activate the keys - it's much less error prone than using the U O on the scope itself. Besides, the only way to activate the 200M Bandwidth key is using SCPI anyway. You can use the WIFI 30 times before you have to activate the license.- the script will generate a couple dozen keys for various options, but as far as I know the only ones that apply to the SDS1104X-E are 200M, AWG, WIFI, and MSO. you might want to also note the 100M key in case you ever want to "revert" the scope for some reason.- unless your scope will be set up permanently on your bench with the LAN connected, do yourself a favor and order theTP-Link TL-WN725N WiFi adapterfrom Amazon for $10. It works great.Siglent provides a 3 year warrantyAs far as the legality goes, I'm pretty sure it's not illegal and you can easily revert the 200M bandwidth key. The other 3 keys won't void a warranty - they are supported features.

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 10:55:58 pm
content: thank you so much.I read something about noisy fan, if I upgrade thefanwould that void the warranty?I assume there are post in here somewhere with recommendations for other fans ( but I will skip that until 3 years if it means void warranty though) I'm assuming there are some Stickers on the unit that if cut then void warranty.Says it includes these items: SDS1104X-E, Quick Start, Calibration Certificate, 4 passive probes, USB cableI am buying the TP-link TL-WN725N also for $10. is there anything else I should get ?

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 11:20:04 pm
content: INAL, but my understanding is that in the US the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it so manufacturers can't refuse warranty service due to a "warranty void if broken" sticker (see section 102(c)). There are two caveats:- if the part that is defective was made so by someone other than the manufacturer, they don't have to honor the warranty for that part- Magnuson-Moss only applies to consumer goods. There's a thread somewhere on eevblog where Keysight is apparently trying to nullify warranties because they claim their products aren't "consumer goods". I'm pretty sure that wouldn't hold up for something sold mass market on Amazon or without condition on the manufacturer's website. But if the dispute got to that point, I'm pretty sure the trouble and hassle of pursuing it wouldn't be worth the $400 you spent.So if you replaced the fan they'd still have to honor the warranty, but not for something that broke when or due to installing the fan (such as the fan caused the unit to overheat to the point of damage).All that said, the fan is definitely audible but I personally don't find it annoying or distracting. Of course, that's a very subjective determination.

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 31, 2022, 11:23:11 pm
content: Quote from: river on October 31, 2022, 10:55:58 pmCoffee. I've been up late messing around with this thing since I got it!

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2022, 12:00:22 am
content: QuoteEverything you change on the scope without a permission is not legal, just saying.QuoteThe "supported" features cost money, you must pay for it to get the keys.Now you avoid the paying by generating the keys inofficial - What do you expect how siglent react if you must send your in such manner modified scope for repair under warranty ?I won´t stop the party and chances are high that siglent won´t reject the warranty in such cases, but it´s not that easy to expect it´s OK if you do it so without paying for it.

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2022, 12:45:22 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 01, 2022, 12:00:22 amI'd expect them to repair/replace if the problem had nothing to do with the keys.But I'd also expect that if they refused I'd be left in a situation where I could raise a stink, but anything too far beyond that would likely be more than $400 worth of trouble.That's the same situation I'd be in if I sent in a non-hacked scope for warranty work and they refused to honor the warranty. I don't know if Siglent would do such a thing (I'm guessing not, then again what do I know?), but in general the practice of refusing to repair/replace for whatever reason or making the warranty process costly or difficult enough for it to be not worth the trouble is not uncommon. Maybe you happened to catch an unhelpful customer service rep? Maybe you called during the wrong phase of the moon? At some point in anyone's life you'll be treated unfairly and fighting it will be more trouble than it's worth.On the other hand, I'll even go so far as to admit that there's the possibility that I'm simply wrong (a very slight possibility)Each person has to gauge their own risk tolerance for such things.But I'll wrap this up with a statement that I'm sure that the "warranty void if removed" sticker is a bogus scare tactic (at least in the US).

author: Old Printer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2022, 01:28:15 am
content: If Siglent really didn’t want you to “unofficially upgrade” their scopes they could make it far more difficult than it is. There has been much speculation that Siglent/Rigol view it as a selling feature to hobbyists and make their money from large buyers like schools who don’t get involved with stuff like that. The fan does not bother me much, YMMV. Personally I would concentrate my energy on the significant task of learning to use it, there is a lot to learn there. Download all of the information to do the hack and save it for later. However unlikely, if something goes wrong and you brick your spiffy new scope you will hate yourself in the morning. Just my 2 cents 😉

author: bomp
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 01, 2022, 02:08:48 am
content: Looks like a great scope. Just ordered mine!bomp

author: Anding
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2022, 02:52:40 am
content: Quite a price drop! New model coming out???

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2022, 03:13:00 am
content: according to Honey app that tracks prices on things, 1104X-E generally stays at $499 but Amazon puts it on sale 20% off regularly enough to $399, i.e. Oct 11-12 Amazon Prime day.The lowest I see it goes is $375 or 25% off on more rare days such as the 2021 Black Friday as a limited "lightning sale."I called Siglent in Ohio, USA last week to ask them if the 1104X-E would also be on black Friday sale this Nov. 2022 year and thus I would wait for that since it's a significant drop. was told that Amazon is the reseller and shipper - the sale is completely controlled by amazon and what they want to offer it for and if they will offer special black friday sale is all up to amazon.It will probably go back to $499 soon, then "perhaps" it might be $375 on Black Friday or not and I did not want to wait for the cycle of $399 to come back around or have to stare at the screen all night Nov 26 black friday waiting for the "lightning sale" of a possible $375.See the Honey chart I posted above or just look at Honey or similar app for the tracking price trend over several months for the item. I'm not saying to get honey since you lose your privacy, it just helped me feel more comfortable spending the $399, since I can see it really only ever goes to at lowest $375 so I'm not going to get much better price.

author: Old Printer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2022, 05:58:40 pm
content: Quote from: river on October 31, 2022, 10:55:58 pmSome 24-36" BNC cables are handy for hooking up to signal sources. You will also want signals of some sort to look at, DC voltage is boringYou might look into an inexpensive wave generator. Ebay is full of older analog gear that can be had cheaply if the shipping is not to great. Amazon or most any electronics surplus type store will have simple signal generators in the $30 range. You can also generate your own with a 555 timer chip or some jellybean components. The internet is loaded with circuits, but I would avoid the temptation of looking at your 120V 60 Hz wall voltage. It can be done safely if you know what you are doing, or it might blow a channel out of your scope if you don't. Our sponsor Dave has an excellent YouTube video titled How Not to Blowup Your Scope which is required watching for new scope users.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2022, 07:11:14 pm
content: An Arduino can generate square waves of various frequencies with a single line of code:tone(pin, frequency);https://www.arduino.cc/reference/en/language/functions/advanced-io/tone/https://github.com/bhagman/Tone#ugly-detailsFor starting out, the compensation signal on the front panel is a source of a signal.

author: bastl_r
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 01, 2022, 11:39:38 pm
content: Quote from: mwb1100 on October 28, 2022, 02:52:12 pmThats a very god price.But why not in germany?bastl_r

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2022, 12:02:34 am
content: Quote from: rstofer on November 01, 2022, 07:11:14 pmIt can generate a variety of (even arbitrary) waveforms with relatively little code. Just don't expect great performance .. but if it's just to get familiar with a scope, it's all good.

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2022, 12:06:23 am
content: Quote from: bastl_r on November 01, 2022, 11:39:38 pmNot here in Canada either. My guess is this is just an effort for Amazon US to reduce inventory. Perhaps they know a permanent or promotional price drop is coming.

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2022, 04:11:17 am
content: Sounds like Keysight is a brand to stay away from if they are claiming their products don't need to have warranties as consumer goods.I see it is sold online and it's very expensive. That sounds terrible that they won't warranty them.thanks for letting me know.

author: mwb1100
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2022, 08:34:30 am
content: This is the thread about people's experiences with Keysight's warranty handling (it seems to be different region by region):https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/keysight-officially-lost-the-plot-dont-buy-if-youre-a-hobbyist/

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 02, 2022, 11:56:19 pm
content: I was looking forward to getting the Siglent last night from Amazon, then I got this email today that it's delayed, no tracking number, nothing, just that it's delayed.called Chat (on Phone), and they don't know where it is or any delivery date , even though it's still in stock and says if I order it now fresh today, it comes in 2 days by Friday.Amazon:"Hello,We're encountering a delay in shipping your order. We'll send a confirmation as soon as it ships and communicate the expected delivery date. We apologize for the inconvenience."

author: Old Printer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2022, 01:05:31 am
content: Disappointing I am sure. The site says sold and fulfilled by Amazon and if ordered today would be here (South Florida) Friday. I have found Amazon very responsive by phone, surprisingly so. Wait til tomorrow so you don’t get transferred to the Far East and give them a call. It says free returns, if things drag on order another one.

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2022, 03:52:00 am
content: Quote from: river on November 02, 2022, 11:56:19 pmMight it be your location?Since Amazon moved away from Canada Post to independent couriers here in Canada deliveries have been generally great. But once in a while, if your package was picked up by someone that needed to pick up their kid from school or a friends hose, your delivery could be delayed. All in all I am pleased with Amazon's efforts to get things to me ASAP. BTW, I am out in the woods so this effort by Amazon is 347.8731% better than what was possible with Canada Post.Full disclosure. I had a mail order business I started in 2012. Canada post pretty much put me out of business. How? I thought you'd never ask. They would deliver stuff from my competitors in China to my customers for next to nothing (literally .. free shipping on $4 items and such) whilst charging me $9 for the same service. Yea, ti's great when your government actively squashes small business. Awesome!So, do me a favor. Whenever you can denigrate Canada Post, please feel free. Do it with abandon .. over and over again .. forever ..

author: YurkshireLad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 03, 2022, 11:26:02 pm
content: No discount on Amazon Canada. Shame.

author: deafen
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2022, 02:30:24 pm
content: I ordered one yesterday, and it's on the truck to be delivered today, so I think this might be a regional issue. I'm in NC.

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2022, 05:26:09 pm
content: Quote from: deafen on November 04, 2022, 02:30:24 pmYes indeed. It is only in the US.

author: colorado.rob
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2022, 07:18:58 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on November 01, 2022, 12:00:22 amWe in the US are actually allowed to do this without anyone's permission.The only law that restricts such behavior here is the DMCA and there is a specific exemption for "Computer Programs—Unlocking". This is considered fair use.https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/10/28/2021-23311/exemption-to-prohibition-on-circumvention-of-copyright-protection-systems-for-access-control#citation-67-p59634

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2022, 10:34:21 pm
content: I finally just ordered a2ndSiglent 1104X-E last night from Amazon-USA since my first order is still delayed, no tracking information and no one knows where or what is happening with it.The 2nd order should arrivetoday(california).If I ever get the first one, I was told I could return it. They gave me $10 for all the trouble with the first one (I did not ask for it, and it might have been because I called in trouble with 2 different other orders as well and they felt bad for me).I think there is some glitch in the system (most likely human glitch in the chain, or new trainees, understandable as long as they take care of issues).NOTE: on my 2nd order from Amazon for same 1104X-E model, on check out they gave me a warning that the Siglent comes in it's own package with no hidden covering and asked me if I wanted it placed into another brown box for free. Yes yes!! of course I do, not only does it hide the Siglent Scope that looks expensive from Porch theives, but it adds another layer of drop protection. I honestly do not recall that option appearing when I checked out on my 1st attempt at ordering the on sale Siglent.Look out for that option if you get stuff from Amazon - always a good idea to have more protection on electronics.

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2022, 10:40:40 pm
content: if you order from USA-Amazon to ship to Germany, maybe it's still a savings in Price?I have a friend in FRance who ordered something else from Amazon-USA, and it was only a few dollars more to get it shipped to france.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2022, 10:45:45 pm
content: Quote from: colorado.rob on November 04, 2022, 07:18:58 pmWell...What to say...better nothing.

author: jasonRF
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 14, 2022, 05:34:14 pm
content: On the US Amazon site today I also see the sds1202x-e for $287 and the sds1104x-u for $319.

author: river
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 15, 2022, 12:47:02 am
content: can't update the siglent 1104x-U only the X-e can do all the update enhancements to 200 and other stuff.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 15, 2022, 12:49:23 am
content: Quote from: river on November 15, 2022, 12:47:02 amCorrect, X-U is a different and only 100 MHz design and with a lesser/more basic feature set.

author: tony3d
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2022, 11:24:23 am
content: My 1104 XE just came a few days ago. It’s a lot of scope to learn. Like some of the interface features like pressing the voltage scale knob switches between course, and fine adjust.

author: simba15
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2022, 01:45:15 pm
content: For those up north, or if the shipping is reasonable to you.https://rcce.com/siglent/siglent-sds1202x-e-super-phosphor-oscilloscope?gclid=Cj0KCQiA4OybBhCzARIsAIcfn9kXZmhz_l4z4NtKzaiETld1wTIORuvkpVONPkdQU-utmayFs3hf46MaAuepEALw_wcB~$340 usd.

author: BillyO
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 22, 2022, 04:50:21 pm
content: RCC shipping is free in Canada. Wow, that's about $180 less than I paid for mine. These scopes are getting insanely cheap!