Recruitment agency fees for electronics  engineers? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: ocset
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2020, 07:20:34 pm
content: HiDoes anyone kindly know what are recruitment agency fees for electronics permanent workers employed through recruitment agencies in UK or elsewhere?If a company employs someone for a permanent job, and then the employee hands in notice after two months/three months/6months/1 year/2 years….do you know what are the agency fees to the employing company in each of these cases?….ie does the employing company have to pay less fees, the less time the worker does before handing in notice?I hear that if a worker hands in notice prior to the three month point then the employing company doesn’t have to pay any fees to the recruitment agency?

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2020, 08:22:36 pm
content: Quote from: treez on May 06, 2020, 07:20:34 pmI don't know about UK, but from my experience, the average is about 20% of the yearly salary. Of course that's possibly negotiated with the agency, especially if the company has hired several people through said agency. But that's the average figure I've noticed.Quote from: treez on May 06, 2020, 07:20:34 pmFrom my experience, nope. Once the employee has accepted the job, the fees are due. There may be additional contract clauses, but usually not like this. One thing that's more common is that if the employee eventually leaves the company in under a given amount of time, the agency will give a significant discount to help find a new employee for the same position.Quote from: treez on May 06, 2020, 07:20:34 pmThat may be true with some agencies, but I've personally never seen that.

author: dmills
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2020, 10:45:59 pm
content: 20 percent or so of salery is ballpark, but you negotiate. In my experience to can generally setup a probationary period aspart of the contract.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 06, 2020, 11:48:19 pm
content: Here in Australia is used to be circa 20% of the first years salary as commission, but only if the person stays for at leas ta certain time, like 6 months or something.That commission is paid for by the company on top of your salary BTW.

author: HwAoRrDk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2020, 09:10:08 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on May 06, 2020, 08:22:36 pmThis is my experience too - that the fee is payable as soon as the employee starts in their permanent position, or in other words, once they are "off the agency books".In a previous job my department once took on an agency guy and we had to pay the agency 15% of his annual salary. IIRC the agency's fee varied according to profession (from 10 to 25%). My boss tried to negotiate the fee, as we thought 15% was a tad high for just an IT support technician position, but they wouldn't budge.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2020, 09:17:03 am
content: Yeah.I'm not sure using a recruitment agency always makes sense, depending on the position.15% or 20% of the yearly salary may still amount to a significant time of a manager. It the manager half knows what they need in terms of resource and how to select them, all the time they'd spend on finding the right person would likely cost less. Agree not all managers are good at this, but I think they should. That's part of their job. Now many companies use agencies to offload the responsibility somewhat.

author: NivagSwerdna
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2020, 10:03:14 am
content: Recruitment agency feeshttps://www.agencycentral.co.uk/articles/2016-10/how-recruitment-agencies-get-paid.htmBut it's really... what they can get away with. Like double glazing.PSLarger companies sometimes have their own hiring presence on LinkedIn so you can avoid extra layer

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 07, 2020, 11:31:48 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on May 07, 2020, 09:17:03 amRecruitment agencies actually vetting technical hires!?Never in my career at both ends of the stick have I encountered such a thing. They are just useless middlemen with a database.I only knew of one that was slightly better, he was an engineer himself, but still the agency "interview" was just a warm fuzzy "you're not a dick" kinda thing. Most agencies didn't even bother to meet you, they just passed on your resume. Biggest rort ever.

author: dmills
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2020, 09:59:48 pm
content: I have never quite figured out where the value proposition was on either end.They are almost universally a pain in the arse to deal with from the perspective of BOTH clients, far better to deal direct if you can.Anyone who has ever used the buggers as a candidate well knows that it is not like they actually READ the CVs, and from the employers perspective they clearly don't actually read the job specs either!We hates them we does, and the 'Conslutants' generally give the vibe of having been kicked out of the used car industry for excessive oilyness.I had one yell at me once because I dared to turn down a job offer after the interview.It does however seem to be the way the game is played...

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2020, 12:01:06 am
content: Quote from: dmills on May 07, 2020, 09:59:48 pmYOU lost their commission, for YOUR selfish reasons!There are good recruiters out there but they are few and far between. Just as the good ones will want to interview you to get a feel for your temperament, do the same with them. No blind CV posting or applications, demand an interview with them before handing over the personal details (the valuable bit for them).

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 08, 2020, 12:40:28 am
content: That happened to me too.When I eventually turned down the offer they didn't yell (ahah they should have dared just to see), but they were "extremely disappointed" and did let me know. Oh, and they also got "annoyed" because I dared to take a whole week before deciding.

author: intmpe
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2020, 06:30:26 pm
content: Its been years since I used a recruiter like this. In my case it was a flat commission fee of 20 or 30k. They don't usually disclose. I had another one get me a job a few year back only to find out he was lying to me about the job descriptionSometimes this is an expense and the company will try to head hunt you directly.In more recent times I am seeing technical service providers popping up with a contract to hire model as work has become less reliable. You become an employee of the service provider and are paid with healthcare from them and then after 6 months the hope is you transfer over to the customer company as a full time employee and the service provider gets a commission. Employers like it because they can phone up and say at any time they dont need you anymore. At the same time some employees prefer it because they get to look inside the company and decide if they can move to a different one if it is shit

author: m98
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2020, 09:19:57 pm
content: They get 20% of one years salary as commission? Wow, I'm in the wrong business.Why would a company even need a recruitment agency? When you employ more than 5 new people in a year, it would pay off to just employ your own HR-person, if you don't already, since someone needs to manage the HR stuff anyways if you employ so many people.And if it's under that, it's already not that big of a task, and you probably won't have the budget for such an expensive service.Maybe it's the fastest way to find senior staff, as they're not actively looking for new jobs?