looking for a machine capable of cutting solid polycarbonate sheets 1-5mm - Page 1
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author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 03:53:31 pm
content: I don't know how feasible it is with a laser cutting machine, nor what laser power is needed.nor how toxic it is to cut polycarbonate with laser (CO2-laser? laser-diode?)I usually work with polycarbonate by hand, with a drill, hacksaw, file and fretsawis a CNC better?I have a budget of 2K euros

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 03:59:35 pm
content: You should not cut PC with laser. Not because of toxic fumes but because the result will be awful. For laser cutting you should use either acrylic or polystyrene sheets.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 04:05:10 pm
content: Others will be better positioned to comment on mechanical machining, waterjet cutting or whatever. But to put your 2 k€ budget into perspective, you probably should mention the required size of work pieces, and ideally also your throughput and precision requirements.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 04:11:58 pm
content: 400x400mm should be enough!

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 04:16:15 pm
content: the gray parts were made by hand, working thickness=5mm solid polycarbonate sheets.It took me about 30 hours totalthe other parts are templates, made of paper and cardboard, preliminary feasibility studyergo, I will also need a 3D scanner, and I am going to buy one.

author: geggi1
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 04:18:54 pm
content: You coud get a little mill CNC to cut the PC there are kits on Ebay and other places on the internet for resonable price.A little bandsaw would also do the job but will most likely give you some more filing and grinding.Then there is also the option of a water jet cutting table if you are able to find something in your price range and size.

author: fourfathom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 04:53:20 pm
content: I've used my Shapeoko CNC mill to cut HDPE, aluminum and wood, and it works well. I assume polycarbonate is more brittle, but that probably won't be an issue. The Shapeoko mills cost a bit over $2000 US.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 05:01:18 pm
content: It seems that a CNC mill is the only plausible option. Laser cutting is not great for polycarbonate (giving discoloured edges, and even large machines are limited to a few mm it seems). Water jet would probably work great, but I am not aware of any solution which is even in the ballpark budget-wise.An affordable CNC mill should do. If you don't intend to machine metal with it, you don't need very high rigidity. So some hobbyist unit from the product class known as "Käse-Fräse" in German should work -- that's "cheese mill" in English, but does not rhyme as nicely.

author: jonpaul
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 06:13:51 pm
content: Your local TAP Plastic can do any cuting and shape with their very large NC machines.Also supply the material.If outdoor use is contemplated avoid polycarbonate instead use acrylic (Lucite)Jon

author: abeyer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 06:34:47 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on April 09, 2024, 05:01:18 pmrofl, I love that

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 07:00:48 pm
content: Part number '1', among others, has a very square transition in the corner. Unless you remount the part vertically, you can't cut that with a mill. Can you stand a 1/16th inch radius of a 1/8" cutter diameter?A simple mill is 2-1/2 D (as opposed to 3D, debatable) in that it locates x and y and cuts down to a depth. A 2D CAD program is adequate with a post processor like CamBam to handle the depth. CAD -> CamBam -> Mach3 (machine control).

author: fourfathom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 07:13:19 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on April 09, 2024, 07:00:48 pmNo reason not to use a 1/16" dia bit (or similar metric size). They are of course more fragile.

author: thm_w
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 08:41:04 pm
content: You might consider getting the 3D scanner and a 3D printer first, then use that to print a prototype part.After you are sure it works, send it out for someone else to make.The cost for someone else to make these parts for you will not be that high, here is a US example, I'm sure there are many in the UK:https://sendcutsend.com/

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 09:27:13 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on April 09, 2024, 07:00:48 pmthey are still raw parts, I have to make a third piece, assemble them on an axis, then chamfer and round furtherI don't have an exact impression of the quarry, only a fuzzy idea, and I'm going by trial that "somehow" fit, with two or three templates, taken in three different pointsin turn, I have to insert a very thin tip inside the hollow (the black piece in the pic), to try to make the excavation as uniform as possible.90% is already ok, just not perfect.it's all hacking work on parts made for a bicycle

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 09:33:39 pm
content: This is instead a piece that I built for a particular computer (not a PC)It has a thickness of 5mm, I drilled it and opened a rectangle to be able to mount a 2x16 character LCDOpening that rectangle was a bloody hell, all done with a small iron file, it took me nine hours!!!

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 09:44:34 pm
content: my pellet stove had pieces of ceramic in the upper part, which broke because they were too fragile and positioned too close to the door where the pellets are insertedI redid them both in polycarbonate, using the ceramic pieces as a template (their fragmented pieces temporarily glued together), then I softened the curves with sandpaperit took 18 hours to make them

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2024, 09:56:40 pm
content: Why use polycarbonate? That is my least favorite plastic to work with. For the pellet stove, why not aluminum? It's easily machined, filed, etc. and colored or coated.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 10:50:02 am
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on April 09, 2024, 09:56:40 pmThe primary reason is that I don't pay a penny(1) for polycarbonate sheetsI have a friend who sends me free polycarbonate sheets classified as "industrial waste" that has been discarded because of defects, but which I can still fully recover.Usually if a whole sheet of polycarbonate is 1000x600mm, with thicknesses ranging from 1mm to 5mm. When a solid sheet is discarded, I manage to recover 70% of its area, in the worst case I obtain many small pieces which can still be used to machine small parts.Many parts of the bicycle are made of aluminium. The brakes, the derailleurs, the wheel rims(3) ... every now and then I file, cut, fix, polish those thingI find it much more difficult to work with aluminium, both because I would have to wear a closed mask(2), and because I have to anodize, de-anodize (in soda caustic), rather than polishing with a brush using the natural aluminum oxide.Furthermore, both the drill bits and the files are different. For polycarbonate I use wood tools, which are not suitable for working with aluminium.(1) in return, I gave my friend about two dozen wheelbarrows of wood, already cut to size for his fireplace(2) aluminium dust is toxic for the nervous system, but is also harmful to the pulmonary alveoli(3) lately I've been using (experimenting?) wooden and resin rims, same concept, but better than the one used in the 1940s

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 10:59:43 am
content: this is the aesthetics of the pellet stove with polycarbonate parts.I would say...not too bad.I showed these stove pieces to basically show some of the things I would like to do with a CNC machinethe goal is to take less time and make 100% reproducible parts

author: jpanhalt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 12:27:42 pm
content: @ Post #18We disagree on the relative risk of debris from machining aluminum. Its particle is usually quite a bit larger than anything that can enter your alveoli. If concerned, mask wearing is sufficient. On the other hand, what about fumes from resins?Anyway, 'free" costs less than per pound surplus aluminum sheet/plate.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 01:33:45 pm
content: Quote from: jpanhalt on April 10, 2024, 12:27:42 pmless exposure time!less than 40 minutes to impregnate the wood of the wooden rims~ ~ ~ vs ~ ~ ~several hours for the processing of the aluminum parts

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 02:41:54 pm
content: Quote from: DiTBho on April 09, 2024, 04:16:15 pmIf you've got templates, what about running around them with a trim router to cut the polycarbonate? The bit type you want is a flush trim bit which is designed for exactly this use.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 04:54:29 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on April 09, 2024, 03:59:35 pmNever used, but ... very interesting, even though I don't really like that they are transparent, I could always cover them with paint

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 04:59:14 pm
content: Quote from: 5U4GB on April 10, 2024, 02:41:54 pmexcellent idea!I've never owned one, I've always wanted oneis there any "micro" trim router?

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 05:09:20 pm
content: I have a column drill, on which I mount abrasive brushes of various diameters and grits, as well as various drill bitsThese are the tools I use for most jobs

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 05:17:23 pm
content: today I completed the third component and smoothed the other twoThey fit perfectly and they are very easy to install in the Ergopower!Next step ... to complete my experiment I will have to prepare a steel ring.This is where things get difficult. We will see ...Anyway, these gray parts were made with the tools in the photos.While the round parts were made with the help of the drill press and a screw.To spin the piece, and use the file to give it a round shape.I used a wooden angle (90 degrees) to help me hold the file perpendicular to the piece.With a (mini-)lathe you could do much, much sooner

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 05:24:44 pm
content: Quote from: thm_w on April 09, 2024, 08:41:04 pmthanks for this idea!I re-think about this, and I think I will use this very service, cutting or laser, or CNC, done by a service.To make the case of a very complicated piece of equipment.Let's see what they ask me for qty=5 pieces!

author: fourfathom
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 06:28:38 pm
content: Let me again mention the Shapeoko CNC mill. Having no serious prior mechanical experience beyond using a drill press and hand tools, It took me a while to get comfortable with it. But now I find it very handy, and use it for all sorts of things -- street-number sign in wood, engraving aluminum, milling aluminum front-panels (holes and recesses), HDPE fixturing to help with other jobs, etc. Once you get it set up you can quickly run off many copies of an item (if you so choose), and even doing one-off work goes pretty quickly. This is an X/Y/Z-axis machine, so some shapes are easier than others.The Shapeoko is a mid-range unit, using belts for X and Y, and a lead-screw for the Z axis. All are driven by servos, and it's rigid enough for my needs. If you are only going to work with plastic you can probably find a less expensive machine.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 10, 2024, 06:42:54 pm
content: Quote from: DiTBho on April 10, 2024, 04:54:29 pmYou can buy any color you want. Also cast acrylic can have matte finish too.

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2024, 08:30:49 am
content: Quote from: DiTBho on April 10, 2024, 04:59:14 pmA standard trim router is about as small as they get, any smaller and you've got something like a Dremel which won't be up to cutting much without risking burning out the motor.When you get one, two things to look for is soft-start so it doesn't kick when you switch it on as all the cheaper ones do, and variable-speed so you don't burn up your workpiece if you're cutting plastic or similar. Most of the cheapies have neither. The go-to one for this is the Makita RT070x series, you can either buy a genuine Makita ($$$) and then get any accessories you want from Aliexpress because this is the one that everyone copies (search "electric trimmer" on Aliexpress and you'll get an awful lot of very Makita-looking routers), or get the entire thing from Aliexpress if you don't want to pay Makita prices. In that case just make sure you get a slightly more expensive one that advertises variable speed and soft-start.If you want to do more than a few pieces with this setup you might consider making a router table which allows you to move the workpiece rather than the router, check out some Youtube videos for how these are used.

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2024, 10:54:30 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on April 09, 2024, 03:59:35 pmHaving tried to do this, I can confirm that the cut edges (which took forever) were browned and nasty.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 14, 2024, 11:09:17 am
content: Filing out a big rectangular hole in plastic is always slow with poor results. I did this in about 30 minutes on a little Proxxon mill. First time I ever used it so I was probably slow. I thought about going back and cleaning it up a bit, but decided the first rough cut was good enough.(click for bigger)

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 14, 2024, 05:12:13 pm
content: Have you tried a nibbler? Or if you want to be cheap a nibbler attachment to a drill.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2024, 11:48:17 am
content: Quote from: rdl on April 14, 2024, 11:09:17 amLikethisone? (MF-70/CNC = MF 70 + steppers)excellent result, as far as I could see.It took me a lot longer with the files for wood.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2024, 11:49:51 am
content: Quote from: tszaboo on April 14, 2024, 05:12:13 pmnot yet, but "I am all ears"

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2024, 11:53:02 am
content: Quote from: ebastler on April 09, 2024, 05:01:18 pmYou can DIY it with a pressure washer and the right crystal/ruby orifices.but you have to hack the safety valve to increase the pressure. It does work though, if you wanted to go that route. Search youtube for pressure washer water jet. Dunno about longevity when running at that pressure, but im sure there are lots of guides online for it.

author: Pinkus
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2024, 12:25:24 pm
content: I am using a cheap Chinese CNC for cutting plastic (e.g. cut-outs in housings). Look for CNC1419 or similar.It is totally fine for this kind of job. Good thing is you can save several often needed jobs on a SD card and then just scroll through the menu and select the one needed now (you need to purchase the option "offline" which just costs $10 extra).e.g.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32985583966.html

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2024, 02:17:41 pm
content: Quote from: DiTBho on April 15, 2024, 11:49:51 amI have no idea if it would work. But sounds plausible, they are made for metal.Let us know if you gave it a try.I also didn't get the joke if there was one.

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2024, 02:41:51 pm
content: QuoteThe very existence of an offline option (as opposed to an online option) is a red flag to me - shows the manufacturers mindset and direction.