Fake Hakko Solder Tips - Page 1
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author: Fat
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2015, 06:10:10 am
content: I have been using a Chinese copy of the Hakko 937 for a few years now. It has worked well for me and I have been happy with it. I recently purchased a real Hakko FX-888D. It has been a great iron. Much easier to solder with and I haven't overrun it's capabilities like I did with the copy of the 937. I'm very happy with it.While cleaning out my collection of tips I notice I had quite a few non-Hakko tips. Some aoyue, a few Plato and some that said "Hakko Made in Japan" on the side. They didn't come in anything that even resembled the proper Hakko packaging, most just came in a small plastic bag.As I sort through them to determine what to keep, I found a "Hakko" tip that was not that old or well used. I tried to clean it up a bit and retin it, but it kept oxidizing in spots. My best guess is this one is a fake. The ones I bought with the iron, clean and then tin right up. So I chucked it. Live and learn, the cheap stuff isn't really that cheap when you factor in solderability and useful life.Has anyone used Plato tips on a genuine Hakko? I know very little about them. Are they keepers (both are still new) or junkers?Thanks,Fat

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2015, 10:10:58 am
content: Never used them, however elsewhere on the net they are reported to work fine. If you look around you can get the genuine Hakko tips for around $5 so unless your chewing through the tips there is not much reason to buy the other couple of brands. Won't hurt to keep those tips as spares.I don't live in the land of cheap Hakko, so I have Hakko tips on clone stations. Most peoples skill lags behind their eagerness to criticize.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 29, 2015, 11:39:25 pm
content: QuoteReal Plato tips are very good. As a matter of fact some of your real Hakko tips are made by Plato,I have used quite a few fake Hakko tips and getting over-oxidized has not been my experience. For me, the fake is just as good as the real one.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 04:15:48 am
content: Quote from: dannyf on March 29, 2015, 11:39:25 pmActual proof? Or just the word of a sales rep?I ask, as all the Plato tips I've ever seen were made in Costa Rica, and all the genuine Hakko's made in Japan.For disclosure, my experiences with Plato tips have been good.

author: cat87
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 06:36:18 am
content: I have had a recent experience with fake Hakko tips so I thought I might share. Having also recently bought an FX-888, I decided to buy from eBay some extra tips. When they came, looked as though they were original i.e. nice packaging with the Hakko name on it. But when I took them out, they looked like crap. I then did some research and found out that although fake and genuine Hakko packages resemble each other, the difference is that the real ones have the blue "Hakko" watermark , where as the fake ones have it with yellow.

author: android
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 07:21:22 am
content: I still have the original ball tip that came with my Hakko 936ESD in 2003 and - 12 years later, with occasional (say weekly) use - it's still as good as the day I bought it. A genuine replacement from Element14, RS Components or Mektronics costs between $8 and $12 AUD. So, for me, that works out at around $1 per year. Even though it seems attractive to by 10 tips for $10 on ebay, I think you'd still be better off getting just one known genuine tip.

author: JoeN
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 07:26:57 am
content: I started with the finest tip I could find that Hakko made and bent / dulled it. Did the same to a second one. Then I figured out that these tips are a bad idea and switched to a Hakko chisel tip and I don't think I have thrown one away yet. I think it was actually Dave who schooled me on that, plus a few other Youtube videos. I am much better at soldering now too. I think the tip geometry matters the most. Use one built like a tank and it will last forever.

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 07:30:36 am
content: Quote from: android on March 30, 2015, 07:21:22 amI've recently replaced the tip that came with my Hakko 926 which I was given new in about 1989 (I was in 10th grade). Genuine tips at $15 seem pretty cheap when you look at how long they actually last.

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 09:00:59 am
content: Quote from: dannyf on March 29, 2015, 11:39:25 pmhello, are you sure Plato makes tips for hakko?I was in Japan last january and visited HAKKO Tip manufacturing building (actually they have two, one in Osaka and one a bit west side)I saw all models production lines.As said in a different thread HAKKO is still making the 900 series and it is still the biggest in volume.I will double check about Plato.

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 04:36:59 pm
content: When looking for Hakko tips 'on the interwebs', what's the minimum price under which one can begin to reasonably suspect that it's about a fake?

author: gmit77
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 05:21:14 pm
content: Quote from: bitwelder on March 30, 2015, 04:36:59 pmIn Italy we say "it is like asking to the wine store owner if the wine is good"We priced T18 around 5 Euro, I guess in such range they are original.

author: cain
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 05:24:51 pm
content: Quote from: Shock on March 29, 2015, 10:10:58 amDo you have a good source for HAKKO tips in Australia?

author: kolonelkadat
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 06:22:43 pm
content: Quote from: bitwelder on March 30, 2015, 04:36:59 pmin USA T18 tips are around $5 from a reputable brick and mortar store. I wouldnt go bargain hunting on some random website. I wouldnt judge "genuineness" of an item by its price either.

author: Fat
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 30, 2015, 07:01:11 pm
content: Quote from: bitwelder on March 30, 2015, 04:36:59 pmI think that's another issue, fake tips being sold as the real deal at Hakko prices. I just bought two ultra fine chisels (T18-D0.from a confirmed Hakko dealer (online) at $9.65 US each, shipped.They arrived in the correct Hakko color bag, I haven't used them yet, but intend to tonight. They appear to be great tips, tinned and symmetrical, and they fit on the wand correctly. I've had "Hakko" no name replacement tips that are either too long or short to fit the wand correctly.Fat

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 12:50:17 am
content: Quote from: cain on March 30, 2015, 05:24:51 pmRS, Farknell, Mektronics..

author: cain
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 03:42:07 am
content: Quote from: BradC on March 31, 2015, 12:50:17 amThanks BradC. I checked out RS but their prices are just ridiculous unless buying in bulk with a trade account. Mektronics seems a bit more reasonable.Cheers!

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 07:02:15 am
content: Quote from: cain on March 31, 2015, 03:42:07 amI have a "trade" account and mostly end up paying whatever the price is in the catalogue (same as on the web site). I used to get upset about this kind of thing, but after 20 years of trying to nickel and dime a couple of dollars here and there I've actually figured out that the free next day delivery is most often worth the extra $$, and I _know_ I'm getting a genuine product that will last the distance.I actually buy more stuff from RS these days than I do from Altronics or Jaycar. I just know what I'm getting with RS (particularly with low ESR or MLCC caps!). Mektronics are good too, and they have pretty worthwhile specials every month or so. They just don't do free next day delivery.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 07:24:24 am
content: I had a friend bring over a few dozen tips from the US, tequipment.net do a forum discount and many of their T18 range are just over $5 US. The exchange rate sucks a little now but that was about the best around.Frys in the US have a small selection, but otherwise reasonably priced. Forget Europe prices unless it's royal mail from UK and without VAT.

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 07:36:47 am
content: Quote from: Shock on March 31, 2015, 07:24:24 amPlease take this in good humour, but what do you do with them? A few dozen? I use mine daily and I'm lucky to damage a genuine Hakko tip in _years_. I probably have 5 or 6 shapes that I swap around and a couple of spare handles with tips I use all the time, but I'd be lucky to buy a replacement for one of them every year or so. Aoyue tips are a different story, but the Genuine Hakko ones just seem to last forever.Same since I switched my Aoyue desoldering gun to Hakko tips and consumables, they just last and last.

author: yami759
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 07:44:42 am
content: Quote from: Fat on March 29, 2015, 06:10:10 amRecently I also finally picked up the FX-888D and purchasedthisPlato tip for it (even more expensive than an actual Hakko!). It is one of those solder-well SMD tips Dave showed off in his soldering tutorial. This kind of tip is not offered in the T18 line of tips (they have one similar with a flat face, without a well - I believe the well is a trademark or something of that sort, and they cannot manufacture them), so i was forced to go 3rd party. In Dave's video, the tip he shows off actually seems different from the other Hakkos, indicating it is also 3rd party. I haven't used this tip very much in particular yet, but so far I have no problem with it, and might even pick up a larger vesion of it (the one I ordered is a lot smaller diameter than I had thought). If anything, the tolerance difference with the tips fitting on the iron is ever,everso slightly more wiggle-ish. Only noticeable if you are actually trying to notice it, as it is hardly anything at all, and is not a problem at all.

author: nanofrog
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 08:29:19 am
content: Quote from: yami759 on March 31, 2015, 07:44:42 amTheHakko 900M-T-3CMcosts more than the Plato (drag tips tend to be run more than more common profiles, such as chisels IME).

author: lpc32
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 10:02:57 am
content: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/fake-hakko-tip-size-and-relative-quality/The fake one I have has bad surface finish, also on the very tip. Checking with a magnet, the material is different from a real Hakko.

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 01:54:40 pm
content: Quote from: BradC on March 31, 2015, 07:36:47 amI have four Yihua 936 soldering stations. I believe total cost was $70 shipped to the door. I have two sets of 10 genuine tips and a few of the expensive oddball ones, a tad more than $100 worth. Combine that with my $10 knockoff Hakko iron thermometer and genuine Hakko brass wool (was on sale).The whole setup ended up cheaper than any Hakko FX888 brought here, and I can repair anything that dies myself. I may use the other set for lead free but otherwise they are spares or for when I have two work spaces.Edit: 639 posts what a coincidence.

author: yami759
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 05:05:06 pm
content: Quote from: nanofrog on March 31, 2015, 08:29:19 am(Noob question) Wait, do the 900M tips fit T18 series irons?

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 31, 2015, 05:21:51 pm
content: Quote from: yami759 on March 31, 2015, 05:05:06 pmYes the 900M series is compatible with the T18 series. But you want to use a T18 tip in both cases if possible, as better thermal recovery.Source:http://www.hakkousa.com/T18-900M_cross.asp