Siglent SHS800/1000X model Handheld Scopemeters - Page 1
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author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2021, 08:22:51 am
content: A refresh of the SHS models with more features.100 and 200 MHz models.Release date April 26 2022SHS800X modelsScope, DMM and Recorder functions.100 and 200 MHz 2ch models.1 GSa/s 12 Mpts100k Wfps5.6” TFT-LCD DisplaySPO capabilityHistory and Sequence modes2mV/div to 100V/divIIC, SPI, UART, CAN, LIN decoding1 Mpt FFTMultimeterTrue RMS60mV-600V rangesCATIII 300Vrms, CATII 600Vrms6000 count25 hours of sampling data with 4 sets recorded6900mAh Li battery for 5.5 hrs runtimeSHS1000X isolated channel models.Website links:https://int.siglent.com/products/handheld_oscilloscopes/https://siglentna.com/handheld-oscilloscopes/https://www.siglenteu.com/handheld-oscilloscopes/Datasheethttps://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SHS800X_SHS1000X_DataSheet_EN01C.pdfPricingSHS800X models $ 979 - $ 1,279SHS1000X models $ 1,899 - $ 2,399Siglent VideoPOI listUSB stick issueshttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-shs820x-usb-flash-drive-port-(white)-only-accepts-usb1-gen-sticks/

author: TrendX
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 23, 2021, 09:06:20 pm
content: There is a chinese product video here:https://www.bilibili.com/s/video/BV1P44y187pKI just recently exchanged my modded SHS810 for a DS1054Z because I needed decoding and triggering on data. Got an Owon HDS for field work but It's just not the same, so I have high hopes for the new 800X!

author: blurpy
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 25, 2021, 09:22:03 am
content: Looks like nice improvements over the old ones!But do they have dark mode? Not a fan of the white background.

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 06:09:58 am
content: No new info?I have been looking at the old 800 for years but had putting off buying it as I never had a situation when it was 100% necessary, until yesterday when I needed it badly.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 07:10:12 am
content: Quote from: implor on April 07, 2022, 06:09:58 amWe were told March release but it is now April.I'll go sniffing.....

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 10:30:52 am
content: Quote from: tautech on April 07, 2022, 07:10:12 amGreat!I also ask my local distributor here in Sweden if they got info. The old model is set as discontinued on Siglent EU website and almost almost all models are sold out here.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 10:51:15 am
content: Quote from: implor on April 07, 2022, 10:30:52 amLate April I am now told.....but as yet no official release date or pricing.

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 11:30:11 am
content: Quote from: tautech on April 07, 2022, 10:51:15 amGuessing the Shutdown-start-shutdown-start due to covid in china is not helping them.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 11:34:45 am
content: Quote from: implor on April 07, 2022, 11:30:11 amAFAIK Shenzhen is all up and running again after a 1 week lockdown but parts supply is an ongoing problem for everyone. Nearly every stock order we place has production lead times these days.

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 12:15:35 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on April 07, 2022, 11:34:45 amyah it's horrible. We had a finished product, EMC tested and everything but then we could not get a DC-DC converter. Redesign of PCB with new DC-DC and full suit of EMC test again. Not a happy camper....

author: rvalente
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 12:49:39 pm
content: They really should throw more rotary encoders, I believe every person who has used portable scopes knows how confusing is to use rubber buttons for time and scale, its terrible.That's why Micsig got it right KNOBS MATTER!. It they got a rugged version out would kill all other players

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 12:57:26 pm
content: Quote from: rvalente on April 07, 2022, 12:49:39 pmI totally agree but I understand you have a limited space and it’s a requirement is that shs800x needs to be fully usable with gloves on. That limit how small knobs you can have.

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 12:59:27 pm
content: Btw is that a cover over the DMM ports?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 07, 2022, 08:53:57 pm
content: Quote from: rvalente on April 07, 2022, 12:49:39 pmThe killer feature would be isolated inputs, in my opinion.Handheld scopes are making a huge "jump" in the price, when they came with isolated inputs.Relatively cheap and with isolated inputs, that would be a big advantage against other brands.

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 08, 2022, 11:31:56 am
content: Got a reply from my local distributor and he said "Soon". Also asked Siglenteu but they got no solid info but guess 1-2 months (they have nothing to do with Siglent, just a distributor).

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2022, 06:58:16 am
content: I did some google kung-fu and found a lot of info but sadly most is in CN (but still interesting).SHS800X quick start guide in CN.http://www.siglent.com.cn/upload_file/document/SHS800X&1000X_QuickStart_CN01A.pdfCombine SHS800X and SHS1000X quick start guide in CN:http://www.siglent.com/upload_file/document/SHS800X&1000X_QuickStart_CN02B.pdfAlso programming guide in English.http://www.siglent.com.cn/upload_file/document/SHS800X_SHS1000X_ProgrammingGuide_EN11A.pdfProduct sheets with all new 2022 products (including SHS800X and SHS1000X comparison tables)https://www.siglent.com/upload_file/document/Siglent%20Products%20Catalog_CN.pdfBig take is 200Mhz on SHS1000X. Old model i max 100Mhz.Edit:Base price is 4000 RMB so around 600 euro for lowest model.

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 15, 2022, 12:34:07 pm
content: Up on taobao now. SHS1102X has 10680rmb so 1550 euro.Guessing it Will start popping up in the west soon.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2022, 04:20:53 am
content: Quote from: implor on April 15, 2022, 12:34:07 pmOfficial release is today, OP updated with English datasheet and links to western websites.

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2022, 05:02:49 am
content: Quote from: implor on April 15, 2022, 12:34:07 pmAre you sure you have looked right price in Taobao. It looks more like SHS1072X price. In Europe, models are SHS1102X and SHS1202X only.It looks more like Taobao price for SHS1102X is 14980 RMB (including taxes inside China). With official BOC account buying rate 1EUR = 6.9869 RMB (just now) this is 2144 euro. (14980 RMB is also Siglent China official domestic price).I found 4 Taobao seller when I just search SHS1102X in Tao, and if I am buyer all these looks more like "stay away" least until mopre deep look. (mostly these kind of things can buy from manufacturer official store and get far better customer protection (inside China).InSiglent own official flagship store in Tmallthere is is only SHS807X and SHS810X models available, not at all SHS1000X models at this time.AlsoSiglent official store in Jingdonghave only SHS800X models, model group SHS1000X is listed but it include 0.So, I do not even believe these Taobao sellers really have SHS1000X models in they own stock ready for immediate shipping/delivery (as they claim).Official SHS1102X price in Europe1399 euro and SHS1202X 1699 eur (prices VAT 0 !)

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2022, 02:23:26 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on April 26, 2022, 04:20:53 amIt looks very good! I wish the pricing was a bit more aggressive, but if they perform as advertised they have nothing to apologize for at $1899 for the SHS1102X.A couple of questions:They list the logging as 'sample logging'. I presume that this means that you can only log measurements (like RMS voltage) from the DMM function? Or can you log calculated measurements from the scope like you can with the SDS1x04X-E?Are the external current shunts included?The SHS800X models are listed as having an "isolated chassis" as opposed to the "isolated channels" of the SHS1000X. Does this mean it is designed to be safely used for measurements where the ground lead would be floating and the only limitation is that the two channels can't be floating independently? Like an old 90-series ScopeMeter?

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2022, 06:26:32 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on April 26, 2022, 02:23:26 pmSHS1000X have full isolation between two oscilloscope channels and multimeter channel power adapter and USB host/device ports.Each channel on SHS1000X is isolated from from chassisground and from each others. Just this make SHS1000X very different compared to SHS800X. It can see also in price 689 euro vs 1399 euro. All other features same except isolation (also 1000X have most sensitive range 5mV/div when 800X have 2mV/div. )And as can easy read from Siglent web side standard accessories include SCD600MA 600mA current measurement adapter and SCD10A, 10A adapter.SHS1000X models include also PB925 250 MHz 10X passive probes (Safe voltage levels: CAT II 1000 V, CAT III 600 V).From User Manual can read more:https://www.siglenteu.com/download/12433/Sample logger and Measure logger starting from page 194.Isolation: Very big difference between SHS800X and SHS1000XLook carefully oscilloscope inputs!.SHS1000X have isolation between channels including also channels GND's.SHS800X do not have isolation between cannels, they have same both same GND.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2022, 07:01:41 pm
content: Quote from: rf-loop on April 26, 2022, 06:26:32 pmYes, I understood the isolation on the SH1000X. Since you posted the manual, which I couldn't find at first, I see the the SH800X series is only nominally isolated and is only rated to allow the grounds to float (together) up to 30V.The logging looks very good. The only thing left to ask for is power analysis!

author: rf-loop
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2022, 07:16:22 pm
content: Quote from: bdunham7 on April 26, 2022, 07:01:41 pmIt doesn't exist...or at least it do not exist over of my detection threshold - laughter.

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 27, 2022, 03:08:18 pm
content: I ordered a SHS810X today. Delivery May 20 if all goes well. Hopefully it can be hacked to 200mhz in the future.Would have been really nice with a 4,5 DMM but in reality the 6000 count meter meets all my requirements. Hopefully it’s pretty fast and responsive.

author: implor
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 31, 2022, 03:33:43 pm
content: Got my unit today and will be returned. All double buttons don’t trigger when pushed in and you feel they are in the bottom. When at the bottom you need to press even harder to register the press.Wheel is very vague and middle button is very easy to press with no click to indicate you pressed something.

author: slugrustle
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 11, 2022, 09:36:07 pm
content: Has anyone else given an SHS800X or SHS1000X a try?

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 04, 2022, 02:50:52 pm
content: I would also be interested in hearing about anyone's experience with the SHS X series.

author: symphonystars
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 06, 2022, 09:53:37 pm
content: Got last month the SHS1202X(was aiming to the 1102X but was out of stock and no eta for restock) to replace my old fluke 105B and so far seems to work quite well.However things i dont really like:-doesn't save your settings(channels scale,timebase,etc) when you turn it off but always loads a default config(can be modified) when powered on-tried to save a csv log into the internal memory but didn't go past "saving 0%" and made the scope completely unresponsive (the clock on the UI didn't freeze tho).I think it tries to warn you about something when you press "save" the first time but only displays an empty dialogue box and if you press "save" again it completely locks up requiring a forced shutdown.-the continuity function in meter mode is very slow and require about half a second to start beeping after you short the probes-when you move the trace with the position buttons it goes from small steps to big steps almost instantaneously

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2022, 10:03:09 pm
content: Quote from: symphonystars on July 06, 2022, 09:53:37 pmWelcome to the forum and thanks for your feedback.We'll have a SHS820X in a few weeks to check these things out also however this is a brand new product and as yet zero firmware updates are available for it.QuoteMany Siglent products have a Power ON = Last setting....is this not working as expected ?

author: symphonystars
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 06, 2022, 10:50:51 pm
content: Hi tautech,Quotei was expecting a behavior like the 2104x-plus but in this case is always Power ON = Default settingFor explample right now my default settings for channel 1 are 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10. If i change them to let's say 500mV/div-AC coupling-BW limit off -Probe x1 and power it off then on the next power on they will go back to 10V/div-DC coupling-BW limit on-Probe x10.

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2022, 11:02:10 pm
content: Quote from: symphonystars on July 06, 2022, 09:53:37 pmThis may be a deal breaker for me. I specifically need that functionalityQuote from: symphonystars on July 06, 2022, 09:53:37 pmI believe the older models had this same problem.One of the previous posts had mentioned problems with the buttons requiring a lot of force. Any thoughts on that matter?

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2022, 11:07:50 pm
content: Quote from: symphonystars on July 06, 2022, 09:53:37 pmThe user manual mentions that saving a CSV file can take a long time. I wonder if the apparent lockup is just the UI freezing while the file is being written. See the attached image. I know that my Rigol scope can take several minutes to save a CSV file.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 06, 2022, 11:17:51 pm
content: Quote from: symphonystars on July 06, 2022, 10:50:51 pmThat is certainly a bug !I'll talk to some ppl.For now you should be able to work around it by using a User Default setting however it won't return last used settings but it should at very least return some settings that are close to how you would normally use the thing.All recent Siglent scopes have a User Default which you can find in the Save/Recall menu.I'd advise to use Factory Default first then make the settings you wish after boot and then save as a User default.Then, after boot hit Default and those settings should be returned.Report how that works for you.

author: symphonystars
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: July 06, 2022, 11:38:35 pm
content: QuoteNo i'm quite sure the lockup was not apparent since nothing changed even after 20-30 min.Also i didn't have any problem saving a 1.2Mpts CSV when a usb pendrive was plugged.QuoteAt least on mine they require a normal amount of force(maybe just a bit more on the double buttons)Quotethanks,i can confirm with that now it boots with the settings i saved as defaultfor now i can live with this bug but i'll be happy if a future firmware will fix it among other fixes/improvements

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2022, 08:49:51 am
content: Quote from: symphonystars on July 06, 2022, 11:38:35 pmFurther, you can save a Setup to be recalled at anytime.See P160https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/22_05_17/SHS800X&SHS1000X_UserManual_EN01B.pdf

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2022, 08:00:16 am
content: SHS820X arrived today andjustin time to be demo'ed to a customer that has need for a portable device.Only had a few minutes to play with it thus far and already see some issues that need taking up with the SHS product manager that we're very lucky to be given direct access to.Those issues....nothing that some FW crafting can't solve and also have a small list of feature requests.The list so far from previous posts: (thanks folks, keep them coming)Last settings not returned at boot < this is a serious bug IMO.Better/faster continuity testerCSV save problems/bugEncoder algorithm improvements needed < saw this first hand today also.A new FW version is apparently in the build and we've asked for a beta to check advances and maybe offer feature requests.

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 29, 2022, 11:33:29 am
content: Mine should be here at the end of August. I already have a bunch of field work queued up for when it arrives.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 30, 2022, 01:16:44 pm
content: Playing with some as yet undocumented stuff......ie, not in the manuals yet !These handhelds have 2 USB connections under a side cover, one USB-A for memory sticks for screenshots and logging and the other a Micro USB I think for connection to a PC and the unit is supplied with this ~1m long cable.New SHS X models connect just fine with EasyScopeX for the various features it offers however some functionality used with the EasyScopeX Virtual panel is not yet working as it should and some of the programming is badly busted !I do like how the virtual encoders can be adjusted with a mouse scroll wheel however I didn't say they worked correctly.Anyways, a snap of the Virtual panel overlaid on the EasyScopeX window from where you launch it....but now very different after the new EasyScopeX version with full SHS X model support.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2022, 11:20:01 am
content: Beta FW and a new version of EasyScopeX has arrived to assess.FW installed and reboot status checked.....last used settings are now returned at boot !Several checks to do and a report to file of findings and possible feature requests.Too late to do more today but it already looks promising.

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2022, 11:29:04 pm
content: My SHS1000X arrived today. Its going to see some immediate use in the lab and field. I will report back soon.

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2022, 08:06:12 am
content: Noticed the first strange behavior tonight while doing some signal integrity analysis. When looking at an underdamped logic edge, I noticed erroneous negative spikes at certain vertical offset levels.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2022, 08:14:21 am
content: Quote from: j_omega on August 12, 2022, 08:06:12 amYou may be overdriving the ADC by exceeding the offset limits, check the datasheet.To avoid being trapped by this again keep the waveform amplitude on the display confines OR use the Vertical Reference setting in the Utility menu.Found a bug in mine today, now reported to the PM.User error.

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2022, 01:39:33 pm
content: Quote from: tautech on August 12, 2022, 08:14:21 amI would not consider this normal behavior by any means. I have used a wide variety of Agilent and Tektronix scopes at work. A input larger than the window range should never result in an erroneous value, even if it is outside of the ADC range.

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2022, 02:05:00 pm
content: I should clarify, the erroneous value is this large negative spike

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2022, 02:47:17 pm
content: Looks like an integer overflow...

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2022, 03:26:33 pm
content: Quote from: tv84 on August 12, 2022, 02:47:17 pmI was thinking the same...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 12, 2022, 10:38:58 pm
content: Some simple Decode tests with the beta firmware and STB-3.Trigger settings only using a timeout to prevent retriggering within a packet.UART and LIN as attached.More later.Quote from: j_omega on August 12, 2022, 03:26:33 pmI'll try to replicate your findings with the beta FW.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 13, 2022, 07:49:35 am
content: Further investigation/learning of the SHS XFFT Max Hold10 KHz 200mV sinewave ex SDG6202X.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2022, 08:17:14 am
content: More SHS X series investigations.Simple I2C decode.

author: oewean
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2022, 11:52:24 am
content: New firmware for SHS800X and SHS1000X series released today: 1.1.20https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/handheld-oscilloscopes/Release notes:1. Optimize power consummation while enable the DMM2. Optimize save/recall user’s interface’3. Optimize ADC interleave noise on SHS1000X models4. Optimize response of the horizontal and vertical position button5. Support remote control by using EasyscopeX version P226. Fixed several bugsa) User’s configuration not saved after power cycle’b) Some display and control bugs under DMMc) Device frozen while saving large CSV files to local memoryd) Some bugs in roll mode

author: tv84
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2022, 06:29:46 pm
content: Quote from: oewean on September 01, 2022, 11:52:24 amProduct_ID = 17501It seems they use the public keygen and the same SCPI commands to process the licensing stuff.As such, a volunteer can try upgrade from 100 to 200 Mhz.Telnet should also be possible.

author: j_omega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 11, 2022, 08:25:13 pm
content: Quote from: tv84 on September 10, 2022, 06:29:46 pmI have the 100 MHz model. I may try that. Are there instructions posted somewhere?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 04, 2022, 08:30:18 am
content: Reduced price promotion for the rest of 2022:SHS810X Save $150SHS820X Save $100https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-64.html

author: symphonystars
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: November 24, 2022, 05:50:14 pm
content: Quote from: tv84 on September 10, 2022, 06:29:46 pmTried this afternoon on a SHS810X and sure enough they can be "enhanced"

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 09:23:55 am
content: Defpom has a look at our SHS820X demo unit:

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 10:20:49 am
content: Quote from: tautech on December 06, 2022, 09:23:55 amTook a quick look.He got a bit confused with logging of DMM data and logging from scope measurements.. It is complicated though, many options there..One thing to note is Alternate composite trigger on these scopes...Display looks really nice..

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 10:29:11 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on December 06, 2022, 10:20:49 amScott had been ill not long before so his head was barely in the right place for new to him instrument reviews but he did a reasonable job and with the illness delay put pressure on him to get 4 instruments reviewed before he was to travel up these ways and get them back to us. The first he did was a SDS1052DL+ and he sounded quite crook, poor chap. That was posted on his channel a couple weeks back so darn easy to find. He reckons it whipped all the other cheap DSO's he gets sent for reviews.

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2022, 10:31:24 am
content: Quote from: tautech on December 06, 2022, 10:29:11 amOh sorry to hear that, hope he gets better soon!It wasn't a critique, more of a comment how sophisticated these instruments are getting...Best,

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2023, 12:53:42 pm
content: Today 2 new SHS1102X arrived.Pics later.In short, the improvements against the old version are significant.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 08, 2023, 08:23:00 pm
content: Pics old/new model...It is almost no longer comparable, wish @siglent:Pls make a 4-ch version (isolated)...

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 24, 2023, 07:41:48 pm
content: New firmware for SHS1000/800X models.Version V1.1.21R311 MBhttps://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SHS800X_SHS1000X_V1.1.21R3_EN.zipRelease notes1. Optimize the response of the universal knob2. Optimize the selection strategy of the universal knob in level adjustment and displacement adjustment3. Optimize the beep response time of the DMM continuity test4. Optimize the response strategy of the shift button in recorder mode5. Fixed several bugsa) The horizontal and vertical displacement keys do not respond when they are short-pressedb) File manager is not updated in time after the U disk is unpluggedc) Bugs under CAN decodingd) Some bugs under the Navigate functione) Offset adjusts the wrong channel bugsf) Multimeter cannot reading small capacitance in the 40nf rangeg) Wrong corner display after repeated version upgradesh) Cannot enter the Meter using the SCPI commandi) Some help information description error

author: maxmatteo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 10:45:55 am
content: any usage update? happy with the device?can't find much new information about them. still insisting to buy the 800X.is the screen changeable to a dark theme?cheers max

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 08, 2023, 10:56:05 pm
content: Quote from: maxmatteo on August 08, 2023, 10:45:55 amWelcome to the forum.Just got mine out and installed the latest FW that I should've done months ago.No dark theme as yet however I have requested it but don't know if it will ever be added.

author: maxmatteo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 07:18:47 am
content: thanks, finally made it hereman would love to have another darker theme... future will tell.i have been looking around for days now,finding a portable battery-powered non-touch(no micsig) scopemeter with proper specs and sophisticated serial decoding capabilities...am i right the siglent shs-x series are the only ones? any alternatives?long time ago there was the WENS-540 Debugmeterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzO1PsscjOI.but that is outdatedmax

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 08:26:28 am
content: "Alternative":https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rohde-Schwarz-RTH1012.html

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 08:47:41 am
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 09, 2023, 08:26:28 amComparison would be SHS1102X but€ 4,420 vs € 1,399

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 09:27:07 am
content: Yepp, this is what I wanted to show..the siglent is unique in this priceclass.We're very confident with the new version.If they would be avaible with 4 isolated channels it would be superb

author: maxmatteo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 09:55:42 am
content: yeah just found the scope rider also,damn with all rohde&schwarz options activated its probably even more than 4kthe siglent shs-x offers table view for decoded uart data.Is that list easily and fast scrollable (without lag) or even searchable?Or will it blow up, once you hit an RX pin of an embedded linux board which spits out lots of kernel boot messages:)thanks max

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 10:40:34 am
content: I can take my batronix demoboard to work and check the decoder behaviour.QuoteThe decoding features are rather sparse at Siglent, I can't imagine that it would be different in this case.I'll find out soon, or you can take a look at the data sheets.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 11:06:13 am
content: Quote from: maxmatteo on August 09, 2023, 09:55:42 amDecode is std with SHS.QuoteScreenshot with simple triggering used however with a Decode trigger you can set the bit to trigger on.Scrolling is certainly possible as you can see in the screenshot only part way through the list.

author: maxmatteo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 09, 2023, 11:15:10 am
content: sure siglent decoder options are included. I meant the rohde&schwarz optionsthanks for the screenshot, so you could easily scroll through hundreds of events using the jog-wheel ?

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2023, 04:31:51 pm
content: Short clip:SHS1000X decoding a spi signal from the batronix demoboard.https://youtube.com/shorts/opUQEqmwSqA?feature=share

author: maxmatteo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2023, 04:39:53 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on August 10, 2023, 04:31:51 pmdanke und gruß aus hamburg

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 10, 2023, 09:08:39 pm
content: You´re welcome.It remains to say that the video shows the model with the isolated channels.This was important for us, because we have the scopes in outdoor use.The normal version has all the same features, except for the isolated channels - and costs only half.And is therefore a best buy tip.However, one should not hide the fact that the operation is not necessarily intuitive.

author: maxmatteo
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2023, 04:47:16 pm
content: thanks again. i just ordered my device at batronix. there is simply no alternative in that price range. battery powered mso/multimeter with decodingcan’t wait to have it in my lab next week.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2023, 08:17:45 pm
content: Today I had tried the uart decoding, works without problems.What is not so great, is the visibility especially that of the list.In the screenshot it looks quite pale, in "real" is challenging to recognize something.Here I would like to see a stronger contrast in one of the next firmware updates, for example in which the characters are displayed in black.Ultimate would be of course the possibility to generally make the background screen switchable, from white to black.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2023, 08:29:22 pm
content: Some settings are wrong Martin.....too many red X's in the decode lines.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 11, 2023, 08:46:02 pm
content: That's right, now that you mention it....But there is not much to adjust.Assignment of the channels, the respective thresholds, baudrate, LSB/MSB, parity, stopbit.For the demoboard signal it must be set as follows:9600 baud, LSB first, 8 databits, 1 stopbit, no parity.I am actually sure that I have set this on the scope, but I can check again on Monday.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 15, 2023, 05:16:29 pm
content: Checked it today, now everything is fine.Additional checked the I2C decoding with no problems(so I´ve tested SPI, I2C, UART on the siglent).The longer the timebase, the more lines you can scroll through, the more data will be saved (csv), @maxmatteo.(changed the .csv to .txt, just rechange it)

author: pezcat19
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2023, 12:23:08 pm
content: Hi all,I was lucky enough to pick up a SHS820X for a price I couldn't refuse. My use case is pretty basic, mostly just radio (RF) and modulation waveform analysis. I am pretty happy so far, it's a decent step up over my Hantek DSO2D15The first thing I went looking for was the non-existent Dark mode. I really think this scope needs the option for the classic Black background, and Yellow/Green trace options. A lot of other Siglent equipment has this theme - my SDG1062X does. Hopefully Siglent will listen and give us a Dark mode in the near future. I emailed them to ask, but I have had no reply.It can be very difficult to read some on-screen information as it is now (see the pics).Other than this, it is working well for my fairly basic requirements. I actually find it nice to use as a benchtop unit, which I was not expecting from a portable scope.Cheers,Pez

author: pezcat19
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 21, 2023, 01:23:33 pm
content: Hi all,FYI, I emailed Siglent and asked them about adding a "dark" display theme mode. They have said that itmightbe added to the next firmware release. (I don't know when this is due). It might also be in the form of a screen "Invert" mode. Either way, this would be be best thing they could do to improve this scope.If you would like to see a dark mode, or screen invert mode, then it might be a good idea to email Siglent and add your 2c!Attached is a screen capture that I inverted to see how this might look...Cheers

author: InvisibleMan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 26, 2023, 05:15:07 pm
content: I've been encountering a strange bug since I got the SHS810X whereby the History list acquisition time had no relation to the RTC. Here's an example screenshot taken a few seconds after the capture:The problem was fixed after I set the timezone to New York and then back again to London. Now the acquisition time is correctly reported.

author: InvisibleMan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: November 29, 2023, 07:18:09 pm
content: I see B&K Precision have now introduced their badged version of the 4 Siglent models:https://www.bkprecision.com/products/oscilloscopes/2511BThey seem identical except for a light coloured front plate and all 4 models have a blue frame (so harder to see if you've picked up the version with non-isolated channels or not).However, they seem to be pricing them much higher than the equivalent Siglent models for some reason.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2024, 03:24:06 pm
content: Hi...We have used the measurement logger function and wanted to copy the previously created folder from internally to a USB stick - this does not work.There are 3 files in this folder, ending with csv, mat and mlg.The csv file is interesting for us, but we just can't get it copied.Then my colleague thought OK, let's connect the scope to the PC and try to access the file.But the scope is not even recognized as a usb device.What else can we try?

author: InvisibleMan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2024, 04:56:27 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on March 26, 2024, 03:24:06 pmI've just tried it on my SHS810X and copying a folder works for me - and it copies the including files with it to the USB stick. You just need to navigate to the folder and then on page 2 is the 'copy' function (F1 key). Then navigate to the USB stick and select paste. I don't think the scope supports USB mass storage mode unfortunately although this would be welcome if it did.I assume you are using the latest firmware version.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2024, 05:14:18 pm
content: Hi,Yes, we also tried the "copy" button - Is there any confirmation message when you do this ?

author: InvisibleMan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2024, 05:21:50 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on March 26, 2024, 05:14:18 pmNo, neither for copy or paste. Obviously, if you had a successful 'copy' action, then you will see the folder appear in the directory when you 'paste'.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2024, 06:09:45 pm
content: OK, my colleague said that wouldn't work, I haven't tried it, I'll do it tomorrow.Woe betide him if that's it...

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2024, 06:34:29 pm
content: It's just like you said, I tried it out.But I don't blame my colleagues, because it's just flying blind.If my usb stick didn't have an indicator led, I wouldn't have known if anything had happened.If you press "copy" there is no feedback, if you press "paste" there is no feedback (except that the LED in the stick flickers), there is no feedback if a file has already been copied in the sense of should it be overwritten....Nothing, nothing at all.This should definitely be changed, @siglent....

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2024, 08:47:25 pm
content: A short video about it, you can see exactly that you can't see anything...If this were my handheld scope for home use, I would hardly have a problem with it, but it is used at work or externally and if the guys then want to pull down data, it should be a bit more obvious, the colleague was a bit desperate on site, time is sometimes money.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qqzWWoQv-54

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2024, 09:33:44 pm
content: Quote from: Martin72 on March 27, 2024, 06:34:29 pmOut comes my SHS1202X .....Saving display screenshots certainly provides feedback of where the PNG file gets saved to, Local or USB if fitted.Copy/Paste to another folder or drive/location OTOH currently doesn't provide a OSD temporary message.In the video you had another file highlighted whereas you only need highlight the drive or folder.A worthy request, to inform the user when ANY file type is saved or transferred in the file system, local or external.Thanks Martin.

author: Martin72
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 27, 2024, 09:52:49 pm
content: QuoteI had placed the field somewhere, because when you switch from local to U-disk, the "field" is in the first position, on "Up" - if you leave it there, nothing is saved.This is also not communicated.But it's good to know that switching to U-disk is enough.QuoteYes, that would be a real improvement.

author: vsilves
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 03:45:09 am
content: New firmware dropped. Hesitant to update. What does "adapts to hardware" mean?SHS800X_Firmware_V1.1.21R6 (Release Date 10.15.24 )1/17/2024 1.1.21R6 1. Adapts to hardware version upgrades

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 06:52:30 am
content: Quote from: vsilves on October 18, 2024, 03:45:09 amWelcome to the forum.Yes, could have been worded better but we've seen this often before, as when HW changes are made for whatever reasons, the SW sometimes needs tweaks to maintain performance.Nothing to worry about and thanks for flagging the FW update.Better get onto updating mine......

author: InvisibleMan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2024, 05:19:00 pm
content: I upgraded my SHS810X to the new firmware today with no problems.However, it seems that the bug I recorded in messagehttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-x-model-siglent-handhelds-coming/msg5135931/#msg5135931is still present (although perhaps not as frequent).

author: TELCO
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 28, 2024, 04:00:36 am
content: I also updated my unit to the new FW version and so far no issues whatsoever. Best regards to all.

author: mahi
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2024, 01:45:19 pm
content: Quote from: j_omega on September 11, 2022, 08:25:13 pmIt's been a few years, so by now you may have figured it out, but for completeness here are the instructions to upgrade the SHS1102X (100MHz) to SHS1202X (200MHz), or SHS810X (100MHz) to SHS820X (200MHz). Since Siglent supplies both SHS1102X and SHS1202X with Stäubli Isoprobe II probes, good for 250 MHz, you don't need new probes. The SHS810X on the other hand comes with 100 MHz probes (PP510). You may need better probes to unlock the full potential of the upgrade to the SHS820X.The instructions were taken fromUnlocking Siglent SDS1104X-E, step by stepand updated for the SHS series. All credits go to the people who originally hacked the Siglent scopes!Download and install theNational Instruments NI-VISA Runtime version 5.4. Downloads on the National Instruments website require an account. A copy can be downloaded from Software Informer without account (link).Download and installSiglent EasyScopeX(direct link to latest version at moment of writing).Connect the SHS800X/SHS1000X to the PC with a USB cable.Power on the instrument and wait for it to start up.Launch EasyScopeX.On the "Scope" tab click "Add Device". The oscilloscope should be listed under "USBTMC". Select it and click "OK" to add the device.Switch to the "Send Commands" tab.In the "Command to send" textbox typeSCOPEID?and send with the Enter key. The device answersSCOPE_ID1234-5678-90ab-cdef(the part in green is the scope ID and important for later).Type command*IDN?and send. The scope replies with its model, serial and firmware version:Siglent Technologies,SHS1102X,SHS1234567890A,1.1.1.1.21R6(the part in red is the serial number and important for later).Copy theSiglent keygen python script(mirror).Paste the script in anonline python compiler(if you have python installed on your computer you can also run it locally).Modify the first lines of the script with the scope ID, serial and correct model:SCOPEID = '1234567890abcdef' # Scope ID without dashes!SN = 'SHS1234567890A'Model = 'SHS1000X'(SHS1000X for the version with isolated channels, and -I assume- SHS800X for the version without isolated channels)Run the script. You will get an output like:25M PK232Q8I8U3DTEBA40M PJHY3NNH5J655X6750M C2EPYX5SM7APKJ7H60M MJZUJC3BCVZUAMMY70M 37QEMKJ6N4GWYDUT100M CZWXQ6PAM3RFK8MI150M AXMBM753I2P93M7M200MHCM88T2STMS2R9PI250M CAEANM5B3VHKF22H300M PFW77UV32U45C33W350M MH6FPUG3XPZWMCPR500M A2D85R6HDJ5M6FGM750M NPK6QIHM5JPMVTZD1000M GKS62W5K9R32SHDMMAX 2XE3Z3BF6MDMMIGVAWG R8Q9B6KA2GA2H3P8WIFI NXP2XPKE8C2M3U2PMSO Z9BCRMVM73HNBJF3FLX 8MQTZ2NVPJN3WVWPCFD UN68IWDW7WYWFT3YI2S K583PVHA7BPCRRNP1553 2Z7333TEHGJ3222QFG JQ7Y23NI272X5MJV16LA UXHDN2HDDAZRI2TCLook for the value of200M(200MHz):HCM88T2STMS2R9PIin the example above. Ignore the other items as they may not apply to SHS series.In EasyScopeX type commandMCBDHCM88T2STMS2R9PIand send. There is no reply from the scope, but if all went well the scope is now updated to the 200MHz version. You can confirm this by sending*IDN?again. The scope will now answerSiglent Technologies,SHS1202X,SHS1234567890A,1.1.1.1.21R6(SHS1102X changed to SHS1202X). This change is also reflected in the "System Status" screen of the oscilloscope.The real proof would be a bandwidth test of course, but I'll leave that up to you...If you want to go back to the original bandwidth, repeat the instructions but use the value of100M(100MHz) generated by the script.

author: vsilves
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2025, 09:59:58 pm
content: Amazon has quite a discount (30% off) on these at the moment and for the last week or so (was 25%, now 30%). Anybody else discounting the SHS810X? Discount/coupon only shows when I'm logged in to amazon.com, otherwise it just shows the regular price $979.00.https://www.amazon.com/Siglent-Technologies-SHS810X-Oscilloscope-Multimeter/dp/B0B5KTGM78/ref=sr_1_32_sspa?crid=10F4WY4BNUU4Y&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.EvHz0pY0gLK1IvZZpDLjxtFwAb_b3vzRik9UJLS5_X1NNfNMnz8VacHkJEEAaPmpAZo9FRv3-lET2yaVt9e8dSnwjqyOjFT1iImMZ71fuEcZvVtiwJIc1BsKdXwHHkUm1IDjMAgqRCHcv5eBECyVSsJzfzBeZBmKLR1YgUoR990ZtNSKqBjRGvQAnt34Orrx.GZ3e7hA5JXEt6_Eo_Vdm29j5NPFlm9L4eZRqmnBAUoE&dib_tag=se&keywords=oscilloscope+probe+10%3A1+fixed&qid=1737064303&sprefix=oscilloscope+probe+10+1+fixed%2Caps%2C133&sr=8-32-spons&xpid=byyjTrZQoYdDE&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9idGY&psc=1

author: Sorama
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 16, 2025, 10:20:03 pm
content: I don’t see a price at all.

author: vsilves
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2025, 12:08:39 am
content: Quote from: Sorama on January 16, 2025, 10:20:03 pmDiscount is still online but it may be US only. Not sure. Just surprised by the magnitude.

author: cncjerry
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 09:30:06 pm
content: I was looking around to see if Siglent is selling them refurbished at all?

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 26, 2025, 09:41:56 pm
content: Quote from: cncjerry on March 26, 2025, 09:30:06 pmNot that I'm aware of and there's none available on the US website Clearance listing.You might like to see if ePay or your fav online shop have any of the previous SHS800 or 1000 models available 2nd hand:https://siglentna.com/handheld-oscilloscopes/shs800-series-handheld-digital-oscilloscopes/

author: cncjerry
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 27, 2025, 08:28:52 pm
content: so, why not two handheld scopes?I looked around for a deal on the 810x, not finding one, for grins, I ordered one of the zoyi zt-703s models to see if I liked the format. And I do, so after playing with the 703s for a few hours, (amazingly accurate meter for the money) I ordered the 810x a few minutes ago. I didn't read to see if it has any of the bode plot functions like on the 1104x, that would be nice. I have the Siglent standalone signal generator that I bought around the time as the 1104x. I had coded an application that drove other signal generators based on code that another person authored, but the bode plot on the 1104x with the Siglent generator didn't require a PC like my code did.Anyway, looking forward to more convenience with the 810x, don't know if I'll upgrade it or not to an 820x.thanksjerry

author: cncjerry
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 28, 2025, 07:32:06 am
content: Given the 810x and others in that line have the correct USB ports needed to control a signal generator like done on the 1104 x model for bode plotting, it would be great if they added that function to this model as well. Mine arrives tomorrow, but I was looking at some videos, and I was shocked to see how large it is.

author: vsilves
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 03, 2025, 04:15:57 pm
content: Messing around with the UART decoding function and I found that decode + zoom worked better for my purposes than decode + table (only shows max 8 values and gets in the way). I can see more context of what is going on, an read the messages flying by. Used normal trigger. Of course still limited, if I zoom out more than shown, the zoomed-in signal will be too broad and the ASCII characters will no longer show (do not fit in their placeholders). However, I can stop and scroll left and right, which is pretty handy. Signal was a wifi router booting up, got a X1 probe on the serial console output and ground.Still image attached. Youtube video link:https://youtu.be/n8tNBlNKbf4

author: vsilves
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2025, 12:43:19 am
content: Christmas is here early. Have not tried yet. Number 2 sounds interesting.SHS800X_Firmware_V1.1.23 (Release Date 04.22.25 ) -https://siglentna.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/handheld-oscilloscopes/#shs800x-series4/21/2025 1.1.231. Support Polish language.2. Support screen inversion.3. Recompile the FPGA version, solve the black screen issue of theSHS1000X display

author: mahi
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2025, 12:44:19 pm
content: I just updated my SHS1000X to the newest firmware!The option to invert the display can be found under [Display/Persist] > Page 3/3 > Screen Normal / Screen Invert.In general I like the new color scheme, but there's one major issue: The waveform intensity and anti-aliasing are still for a white background. This makes waveforms look quite ugly in dark mode and renders intensity grading a bit useless. If you turn down the intensity, the waveform becomes bright white instead of very dim. So, there's still work to do to make it useful. For now, I'm back to the white background.See attached screenshots for an impression.

author: InvisibleMan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 25, 2025, 12:57:11 pm
content: Thanks for this. I was finding the same thing about the aliasing of the waveform. It's also annoying that I find I have to adjust the 'Transparance' value from 80% to 20% to make the values readable in the cursor position boxes etc. They should have inverted the way this adjustment works so that it wasn't necessary to change it when inverting the screen display.

author: vsilves
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2025, 04:57:16 am
content: Wow, that's pretty "ugly" and not usable. I guess they delivered on their promise "Support screen inversion". Never promised a proper dark theme, which is what we want. It is not like they don't have dark themes that work fine on bench oscilloscopes. Definitely hoping they fix it in a future firmware update as I would much prefer a dark theme. Going to install update but I don't think touching that inverted screen with a ten foot pole (except maybe out of curiosity).

author: InvisibleMan
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2025, 08:47:31 am
content: The meter display looks better with the new inverted screen:

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 30, 2025, 03:17:30 am
content: Quote from: InvisibleMan on April 25, 2025, 12:57:11 pmThis is not aliasing but waveform and system noise.Engaging a little Averaging clears the waveform noise.Quote from: InvisibleMan on April 26, 2025, 08:47:31 amIMO this is a bug as any user setting should be returned at next boot.I have reported this to Siglent.What I didn't find time to check was setting if a User Default was set to Inverted display whether or not it would be returned at next boot.If that works it could be a temporary workaround while we wait for a new firmware.All in all I like the new inverted display option which makes these units much nicer to use at the bench rather than the bright background that's better suited to low light conditions a technician might find on job sites.

author: pezcat19
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 09, 2025, 01:39:39 pm
content: It's taken around 1.5 years, but it's good to finally see some progress on the screen theme... The waveform "aliasing" in Inverted mode is a bit unusual (and annoying), but it can be slightly improved with some tweaking of the settings, to some degree. It seems it isnotdoing a pure "inversion".I think the reason the waveform shows this "aliasing" is due to them trying to keep the waveform base color as BLUE, rather than just letting it fully invertallitems on screen, which would naturally change this waveform toyellow... If it were doing a true inversion, it would look more like my manually edited image in "Reply #80 on: September 21, 2023, 01:23:33 pm" in this thread. Also attached here.Very frustratingly, the Inverted mode doesn't stick after a power cycle, and it doesn't stick to saved configs or to the "Default" key... I can use the inverted mode for most things I need to do, but I really hope it gets some more updates to improve it because it is not implemented to the same standard as my other Siglent products with dark themes or inversion options.

author: pezcat19
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2025, 11:54:57 am
content: @mahi,Attached is your normal (not inverted) screen capture from a few posts back, that I have inverted with an image editor. I think that if Siglent did this to the trace at least, it would be a much better result than what we have a the moment, IMO.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2025, 08:29:25 pm
content: Quote from: pezcat19 on May 09, 2025, 01:39:39 pmScrub aliasing from your mind totally, inverted display in these is equivalent to a normal benchtop display and the trace fuzz seen is NORMAL system acquisition noise.Don't believe me ?Engage Averaging and noise disappears.....Remember, this is an 8bit device so traces will never be fine/thin or clean like a 12bit DSO.Unlike benchtop units, when Average is engaged there is zero OSD that it is and I have asked Siglent to add thisandkeep inverted display at next boot when Invert is selected.They have acknowledged and sent these recommendations to R&D to be developed.

author: pezcat19
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 10, 2025, 09:55:47 pm
content: No, that is not what I am saying."aliasing"isn't the issue here, I agree with you... I put it in" "because it's what it was being referred to in this thread. I believe it is a color grading/pallet inversion choice they have made, that would be solved IF they did a complete inversion, and were not trying to keep the trace color BLUE in both Normal and Inverted modes. (The "Noise" is still drawn in white, and shouldn't be). I don't believe what we are seeing has anything to do with the bit depth of the scope or anything other than a color pallet inversion choice, made in the firmware, that they have not got working well so far.If the "noise" (white-ish color areas surrounding the blue trace) you refereed to were also inverted, it would look more like my manually edited image (attached), and it would look like my other 8bit scopes that look fine in dark theme or inverted modes. I am happy to see the noise - but I want it to be drawn in an appropriate color (white is not good on a black background!). Maybe they simply missed this?I don't want to run the averaging modes in my use case (audio and RF analysis), so if they do add your suggestion (which would be good regardless), I still think the original issue can solved by working on the inversion method. Or, even adding it as a 3rd option. Normal / Invert 1 (blue trace) / Invert 2 (true invert with yellow trace as per my image attached - this still includes all the noise but looks much better).Cheers