Pronunciation of "via(s)" - Page 1
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author: Karel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2020, 01:12:39 pm
content: Hi,As you may have noticed (or not), English isn't my mothertongue and I was wondering why, many times, the word "via" is pronounced differently in the context of pcb.What is the correct pronunciation of "via's" when we talk about pcb's?Thanks.

author: Monkeh
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 01:16:07 pm
content: Whatever pronounciation you're used to. Potato potato.

author: TimFox
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 02:20:09 pm
content: In the US, I have heard only the pronunciation "VEE-AH".

author: SpecialK
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 02:22:17 pm
content: Sometimes pronounced "plated through-hole"

author: ledtester
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 02:49:18 pm
content: Either of these ways is fine even in the US:https://youtu.be/gvYxxY43W9Q

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 03:09:45 pm
content: "via" being a latin word, I guess "vee-ah" would be the most "correct" from an etymology standpoint, and that's what I've heard the most too. But occasionally some people (speaking in english) say "v-aɪ-ah".As ledtester showed, the Collins considers that both forms are correct. So, in the end, doesn't matter.

author: tooki
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 06:16:18 pm
content: Quote from: SpecialK on October 15, 2020, 02:22:17 pm"Plated through-hole" and "via" are not synonyms. PTHs are plated holes through which you insert a component lead; vias are plated holes through which component leads arenotplaced.

author: tooki
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 06:18:07 pm
content: Quote from: ledtester on October 15, 2020, 02:49:18 pmGoodness, she's scary. They might have been wiser to just use an audio-only recording!

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2020, 06:30:05 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on October 15, 2020, 06:18:07 pmNo emotion. Is she real, or a bot?Yes, I've heard both pronunciations before.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2020, 06:45:02 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on October 15, 2020, 06:16:18 pmThat's right. Besides, conversely, not *all* vias are PTH. Blind and buried vias are *not* through-holes at all.

author: tooki
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 07:49:18 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on October 15, 2020, 06:30:05 pmI feel like thereisemotion in that death stare!

author: tooki
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 07:51:37 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 15, 2020, 06:45:02 pmI should have remembered that fact, given that just 2 weeks ago, I spun a PCB with hundreds of tented vias (since I needed the silkscreen to be legible for the kids who'll be assembling the kits — on the prior version, the via stitching left the silkscreen looking rather moth-eaten). Altium defaults to open vias, so changing them to tented was an extra step I had to do explicitly.

author: Someone
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 09:47:41 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on October 15, 2020, 06:30:05 pmHair physics too detailed to be a bot....

author: notsob
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timestamp: October 15, 2020, 11:13:59 pm
content: so now pronounce "viaduct"

author: eti
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 12:01:32 am
content: Whilst we're discussing this, let's go for:"GIF": there's no "discussion" for this, it's an acronym of "Graphics Interchange Format" - the first letter of "GIF" is therefore going to be, phonetically sounded as "Guh" and not "Juh", as it's only a moron who thinks that you'd pronounce "Graphics" as "Jraphics"Yeah I know it's very tired, that debate. Logic wins over "opinion" though.There's others, but I've no inclination to digress further.

author: CatalinaWOW
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2020, 12:23:53 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on October 15, 2020, 06:45:02 pmAFAIK they all start out as plated through holes. And then loose the through part when layers are stacked. But from the standpoint of completed PCB usage you are perfectly correct.

author: CatalinaWOW
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 12:25:58 am
content: Quote from: notsob on October 15, 2020, 11:13:59 pmIt just wouldn't be English if spelling or pronunciation were consistent. Even within a regional dialect.

author: Ed.Kloonk
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 01:02:49 am
content: Quote from: Someone on October 15, 2020, 09:47:41 pmHey lady, blink twice if you're being held hostage.

author: vk6zgo
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 01:14:47 am
content: In proper Oz English it is "v-eye-uh".(with the "v" as in "very")No, we don't have the gaps----- they are just to show the pronunciation of the individual elements.

author: pickle9000
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 01:22:15 am
content: Just add an "eh" to the end and everything will work out. At least that's how we do it in Canader eh.

author: Nominal Animal
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 02:16:04 am
content: - How do you pronounce 'y-e-s'?- (answer)- Thanks! How do you pronounce it if you add an e to the front, 'e-y-e-s'?- (confusion)English is odd. That's why I've switched from trying to pronounce things "well" like they taught us in school, to Rally English. Much better.

author: Ed.Kloonk
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 02:17:44 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on October 16, 2020, 02:16:04 amAye.Hai!

author: T3sl4co1l
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 03:04:58 am
content: Same way you pronounce Bob Villa.Tim

author: Karel
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 06:30:18 am
content: Thanks everybody for the clarificationsIt's clear that both pronunciations can be used, at least in practice.Now I have to pick one...

author: Ed.Kloonk
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 06:52:23 am
content: Quote from: Karel on October 16, 2020, 06:30:18 amWanna blow ppl's minds? Use both interchangeably during a single conversation.

author: Zbig
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timestamp: October 16, 2020, 01:43:40 pm
content: Quote from: eti on October 16, 2020, 12:01:32 amThank you

author: GlennSprigg
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timestamp: October 17, 2020, 12:56:37 pm
content: I'm sure 'Tooki' will, (ok, may), comment... (I liked my discussions with him in the past!)...To ME, in English, we tend to pronounce words, in the way theoriginating countrypronounces them.For instance, a German woman friend complained to me why the word 'Esplanade' was not sounded like 'Esplanaid', becausewe have the word 'Lemonade' (sounded 'Lemonaid'). I explained to her that 'Esplanade' is a 'French' word, so we sound itlike 'Esplanaard' out of respect for the French word. And there are numerous other examples!!

author: mag_therm
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timestamp: October 17, 2020, 07:30:36 pm
content: It was always "via" as in viaduct when I was in Australia.How is "router" pronounced?Well, I am so old, I can remember times when we had to rework "vias" by adding thru- leads, soldering on both sides, because thetest guys found in a batch, cracks in through hole plating under the pads.

author: eti
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timestamp: October 17, 2020, 07:42:32 pm
content: One American "English" (hah) pronunciation which REALLY grates is "MulTIMMITUR" when an American means "multimeter". Let's deconstruct the word: "Multi meter" - there's no such thing as a"mul"or a"timmitur"- it's a METER that does MULTIple things

author: TimFox
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timestamp: October 17, 2020, 08:50:45 pm
content: I have lived in the US for lo, these 70 years and have never heard “mul timmitur”. Perhaps you are thinking of “altimeter”?

author: eti
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timestamp: October 17, 2020, 09:32:26 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on October 17, 2020, 08:50:45 pmNope, I heard it 5x in the last week, from Americans on YouTube, and also my "Google Home" virtual assistant pronounces it this way too, in her American accent.

author: bson
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timestamp: October 17, 2020, 09:42:38 pm
content: Quote from: eti on October 16, 2020, 12:01:32 amIf you pronounce it as aninitialism(it's not an acronym at all) it's "gee eye eff". You would never actually pronounce an acronym like that if it were one; those are always pronounced as words. If you pronounce GIF as a word, it's fine to use jif since the G is followed by one of E, I , Y.

author: TimFox
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timestamp: October 17, 2020, 09:47:44 pm
content: Quote from: eti on October 17, 2020, 09:32:26 pmI have successfully avoided these speakers. How do the English pronounce “multiply” and “multiple”, with an “eye” for an “I”? And how do they pronounce “altimeter”?

author: eti
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 12:48:29 am
content: Quote from: TimFox on October 17, 2020, 09:47:44 pmBritish English (Gold standard, national accent - not "RP" speech but the generic, non-geographic English which is more and more prevalent in England now)~~ Phonetically ~~:"Multiply": "Mul tee ply""Multiple": "Mul tipple""Altimeter": (usually) "Al tee mee tuh"Anything else, whilst not the end of the world, is just nonsensical when you deconstruct the word and speak it's component words aloud.

author: TimFox
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 01:50:27 am
content: Now that that is settled, I would never dictate to citizens of another country how they should pronounce their language.

author: Monkeh
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 02:15:43 am
content: Quote from: TimFox on October 18, 2020, 01:50:27 amAnd as soon as you stop calling it English...

author: oPossum
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 02:22:00 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on October 18, 2020, 02:15:43 amYou speak British, Scottish, and IrishWe speak English

author: Monkeh
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 02:34:14 am
content: Quote from: oPossum on October 18, 2020, 02:22:00 amNo love for the Welsh I see. That's okay, they're used to it.

author: VK3DRB
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 02:37:36 am
content: Quote from: TimFox on October 15, 2020, 02:20:09 pmSame here. I use US-centric pronunciations for technology. Some newbies in Australia pronounce them "V-EYE-AHS".Young players new to technology in Australia (especially the media) pronounce the word data as "DARTA", whereas more experienced people here use the US pronunciation "DAYTA". To my knowledge, back in the 1970's and 80's, no-one pronounced data as "DARTA". I suspect the oddball pronunciation was spawned by someone in the media here and newbies knew no better.Same with the word hacker. Twisted by the media and adopted by politicians and unsuspecting newbies - thanks to a stupid 1995 movie called "Hackers". I have been a full-on hacker for 45 years. And will continue to hack.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 02:42:22 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 18, 2020, 02:37:36 amSome 'hackers' were annoyed that the term 'crackers' wasn't used in that context.

author: eti
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 07:23:40 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 18, 2020, 02:37:36 amIt's "day-ta" and when Dave's brother finds out he's been saying his name wrong all these years, he's gonna beam him onto a deserted planet.

author: newbrain
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 08:41:31 am
content: Quote from: eti on October 18, 2020, 07:23:40 amQuote from: GlennSprigg on October 17, 2020, 12:56:37 pm

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 09:14:23 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on October 18, 2020, 02:37:36 amNope! "DARTA" was a common pronunciation back in the 1950s & '60s, & people looked "fish eyed" at you if you used the pronunciation"DAYTA"Those of us of that generation also used "V-eye-uh".This was years before the use for PCBs, & the word was more likely to appear on bus destination boards.Apparently, the "young whippersnappers" in the 1970s & '80s saw fit to change both pronunciations.

author: vk6zgo
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 09:15:55 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on October 18, 2020, 02:34:14 amHow about the Cornish?

author: tooki
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 10:48:46 am
content: Quote from: eti on October 17, 2020, 07:42:32 pmBy “Americans”, I assume you mean Ben Heck? He’s the only person I’veeverheard say it “mul-TIM-iter”. Rest assured, the normal American pronunciation is “multi-meter”, and everything else is wrong!

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 10:51:46 am
content: Quote from: eti on October 17, 2020, 09:32:26 pmAlgorithmic text-to-speech pronunciations are not in any way indicative of correct pronunciation in a non-phonetic (written) language like English! :pRemember the famous “ghoti” example?

author: Ed.Kloonk
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 10:59:39 am
content: What is soddering anyway?Sounds like a prison activity.

author: tooki
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 11:03:34 am
content: Quote from: eti on October 18, 2020, 12:48:29 amI don’t think that’s correct. Not only from my experience (since probably 95% of the English speakers I interact with regularly are British), but also according to the OED, as well as multiple (British human, not text to speech) pronunciation guides on YouTube. It’s “mul-tip-lie” (hyphens inserted not to signify syllable breaks, solely to disambiguate the sound by using actual words where possible).The “i” in multiply is the same sound as the “i” in “is”.In contrast, the “i” (and the first “e”) in multimeter is the same sound as the “e” in “we”.(I studied linguistics at university, so have some practice in careful sound identification — it’s astounding how much our mind plays tricks with us regarding sounds, in that we mentally group slightly different sounds into what we call “phonemes” that are then parsed for meaning. It takes practice to overcome this, and even so is imperfect...)

author: tooki
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 11:05:07 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on October 18, 2020, 10:59:39 amPlease, please, PLEASE let that one go. It’s been discussed to death, and then some, onevery.... damned... soldering.... video...that is posted by an American.(Executive summary for those who don’t know: that is the correct pronunciation in American English, whose pronunciation of that word remains closer to the French word it originated from, and does not represent American laziness or inability to read. There are silent “L”s in all variants of English. We know, it sounds like a dirty word in British. There, I think I’ve addressed all the points anyone has ever made in those discussions. No need to re-hash it.)

author: Ed.Kloonk
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 11:07:00 am
content: Quote from: tooki on October 18, 2020, 11:05:07 am

author: Siwastaja
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 01:03:29 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on October 18, 2020, 11:05:07 amYou should have the URL stored for your post(s) which explained this in detail, then just post a link every time.

author: Syntax Error
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 01:46:56 pm
content: As everyone has an opinion... In British EnglishIn Kicad I use a stitching vee-ah (via), whilst on a train, I journey vie-ahr (via) a railway station. *By the same token, I connect to the internet with a root-er (router) and profile wood with a rowt-ar (router).Welcome to Homographs! For the long suffering student of English:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homograph* Via can be plural on a PCB (lots of vias) but is only ever singular on a journey; I go viasmany stations does not work.++ Of course, we instinctively know when to say row a boat or the kids are making a row, but a speech sythesizer does not.

author: Nominal Animal
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 01:49:25 pm
content: You know, it may not be pronunciation that irritates some people; I think it may often be the about mis-associations certain pronunciations cause instead.Like "sodder" vs. "to sod off", as in "the one who sods off". Or the way scandihoovians often omit the "on one hand", and skip directly to the "on the other hand" part.The pronunciation of "surface" is problematic for me. I know full well that both ways ("sur-fis" and "sur-face") are correct, but whenever I hear the latter, I associate it as "super-face" or "the next face" instead of the surface being talked about. It is somehowjarring, I think. And I agree, it's completely my own problem.But it is also fun to play with. For example, instead of bicycle, say bi-cycle (as in twice per cycle).Stuff like double and triple negations that English allows – "Did you not forget to omit the blerghfagh from the whizbang yesterday?" – are just plain evil, though. Me no grasp properly.Quote from: Syntax Error on October 18, 2020, 01:46:56 pmBut it does sound hilarious, doesn't it?

author: Syntax Error
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 01:57:28 pm
content: What about "soldering"? Brits say SOUL-DERING, but Yanks I've watched on Youtube seem to favour SOD-DERING. Which to Brits means something entirely different. Maybe the Yanks are just buggering up their reflow?

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 02:16:49 pm
content: Quote from: eti on October 18, 2020, 12:48:29 amShall we apply these rules to the pronunciation of "lieutenant"?

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 02:28:32 pm
content: Back to the word "via" in its original use as a preposition: in the US it is normal to say "via air mail" or "via UPS", referring to the method, while other countries tend to restrict the meaning to geography, e.g. "via Berlin" for a railway ticket. The English dictionaries accept both usages.

author: Zero999
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 02:32:05 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on October 18, 2020, 11:05:07 amI think it's good to keep our sense of humour. No one is seriously saying the Americans are thick. Taking the mickey out of other accents is common in all English speaking countries. If we can't laugh at our differences, then we'll end up giving into PC cancel culture and end up in some authoritarian regime!

author: madires
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 03:07:38 pm
content: The plural of 'via' is 'viae'. Just saying.

author: SiliconWizard
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 04:14:05 pm
content: Quote from: madires on October 18, 2020, 03:07:38 pmI'd be curious to hear an american-speaking person say this word.

author: Syntax Error
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 04:44:58 pm
content: "We went viae Paris, Amsterdam and Berlin." Using Latin is just cheating, but perfectly valid.

author: TimFox
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timestamp: October 18, 2020, 04:49:51 pm
content: In that sentence, "via" is a preposition, and prepositions don't have plurals.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2020, 04:55:25 pm
content: Anyway, for a non-chauvinistic encyclopedic treatment of the English language, with all its hybrid vigor, and its spread throughout the world, I recommend the definitive treatment in "The Oxford Companion to the English Language, 2nd Edition", Oxford University Press, 2018 (ISBN-13: 9780199661282)https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199661282.001.0001/acref-9780199661282Be careful: don't drop the book on your foot.

author: tooki
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timestamp: October 19, 2020, 05:14:59 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on October 18, 2020, 01:49:25 pmUmmm... “surface” has only one pronunciation in English, “sur-fis”. “Sur-face” is categorically wrong in all dialects of English. That’s a pronunciation used exclusively by non-native speakers.Quote from: Zero999 on October 18, 2020, 02:32:05 pmHah, if only. I’ve explained this at length in prior threads. Believe me, there are plenty of British who very much hate Americans and think we somehow stole and corrupted “your” language because we’re too dumb and lazy to get it right. I wish this weren’t the case, but it is.Quote from: Syntax Error on October 18, 2020, 01:57:28 pmBit late to the party, huh?Quote from: TimFox on October 18, 2020, 04:55:25 pmIt’s a great book. It’s a source I use when debunking all the various claims of how American English is supposedly corrupted British English, when in fact, it’s just things from... British English. (Like “ain’t” and “aks”.)

author: pickle9000
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timestamp: October 19, 2020, 05:58:17 am
content: And in a thousand years it will be be known as a "sih" and no one will pronounce that correctly either.

author: Nominal Animal
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timestamp: October 19, 2020, 06:02:59 am
content: Quote from: tooki on October 19, 2020, 05:14:59 amGood to know, thanks. Apparently, I still can't decipher IPA correctly (/ˈsɜːfɪs/ vs. /ˈsɝːfəːs/)(The lack of an e-type vowel at the end should have been a clear indicator. See how hard it is when you rarely speak, but often read and write English?)

author: eti
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timestamp: October 20, 2020, 07:12:58 am
content: Quote from: Syntax Error on October 18, 2020, 01:46:56 pmyou pronounce the same word with the same meaning, differently for no reason?¿?¿? A strange thing, not helping we Brits look any less crazy. Whydya think pcb "via" is called that? Because the circuit current travels VIA it; same meaning.

author: Syntax Error
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timestamp: October 20, 2020, 12:17:46 pm
content: @eti Such is the democratic power of the Anglicist tongue. Say it how you want to say it and no anal intellectual can stop you (unlike France).Vee-as are specific to pcbs. But ain't vias just fancy pcb links? Or could that be pcb lynx?

author: RoGeorge
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timestamp: October 20, 2020, 12:35:15 pm
content: Same as you pronounce via in Italian when saying "Via Appia".Since my native language has Latin roots, I prefer the second one from these two British pronunciations:

author: Syntax Error
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2020, 01:50:40 pm
content: "Bella via" sounds so much nicer said in Italian. English is a 'zuppa Inglese' of european languages. Even the word television is a senseless cut and paste of greek and latin. And that's just the organic way it (dis)functions.

author: Zero999
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timestamp: October 20, 2020, 03:06:10 pm
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on October 20, 2020, 12:35:15 pmIt's preference I suppose. I prefer the first, simply because it seems to be the most common pronunciation. I've heard the second, but it seems to be more unusual. Of course this is purely due to the accent/dialect where I live. If I travelled a hundred or so miles, the other pronunciation might be more common.Quote from: tooki on October 19, 2020, 05:14:59 amA small minority of Brits think that and it's difficult to tell whether someone is serious or not, without tone of voice and body language. My view is that US English often sounds strange, sometimes archaic, but not stupid. I also think the same about variants of English spoken in some parts of Britain.

author: Pack34
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timestamp: October 20, 2020, 03:42:20 pm
content: Quote from: tooki on October 15, 2020, 06:16:18 pmTechnically, it is a hole that goes through a board, that's plated.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2020, 05:28:10 pm
content: Quote from: Pack34 on October 20, 2020, 03:42:20 pmBut a via doesn't always go through the board. It can be buried or blind, in which case it just joins two or more layers.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: October 20, 2020, 09:41:07 pm
content: Quote from: Karel on October 15, 2020, 01:12:39 pmNo such thing as "correct".I use both vee-a and vie-a even within the same video.

author: tooki
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2020, 11:46:37 pm
content: Quote from: Pack34 on October 20, 2020, 03:42:20 pmSo? Dissecting terms literally doesn’t help define their real-world meanings. I mean, if you dissect RAM and ROM — random-access memory and read-only memory — you don’t actually get the true meaning of either, because the terms were carried over from older technologies whose competing technologies had different characteristics. Nowadays, a ROM is likely to be rewritable (like Flash or other EEPROM), but above all, all modern storage and memory technologies except for tape are random access, so random access isn’t actually the defining characteristic of RAM any more. But the name stuck, so we use “RAM” when we meanvolatilememory and “ROM” when we mean non-volatile memory.Point is, the word “via” means the holes, covered or not, used for connecting one layer to another,without putting component leads in. Whereas “plated through-hole” is asubtypeof a “through-hole”, which is a holefor a component lead.And yes, you’ll find examples of people using the terminology wrong. Doesn’t change the fact that they’re wrong.

author: newbrain
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timestamp: October 21, 2020, 06:41:12 am
content: Quote from: eti on October 20, 2020, 09:28:10 pmYup, I can agree.As for the blocking, I must apologize, it was involuntary.Now, it definitely isn't.

author: eti
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timestamp: October 21, 2020, 07:57:10 am
content: Quote from: newbrain on October 21, 2020, 06:41:12 amI jumped to a conclusion, sorry mate. Deleting previous post now.

author: IDEngineer
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timestamp: October 22, 2020, 03:08:42 pm
content: The proper pronouciation is "FEEDTHROUGH".Fromhttps://www.thefreedictionary.com/feedthrough:"A conductor connecting two circuits on opposite sides of a printed circuit board." (source: American Heritage Dictionary)"a conductor used to connect two sides of a part, such as a printed circuit board" (source: Collins English Dictionary)I was raised to call them feedthroughs. Everyone called them feedthroughs. There was precisely zero confusion. Then I got away from hardware for ~10 years at one point in my career, and when I circled back around to being involved in PCB's suddenly there were these things called "vias". I had no idea what they were talking about for a while.I suspect, but have no evidence, that "via" showed up about the time that CAD and layout programs replaced hand-taping of PCB's. Maybe the software folks were trying to save screen space, or couldn't come up with an abbreviation for "feedthrough" that they liked, or something.Feedthrough covers every variant:* All interlayer connections are feedthroughs* A subset of those involve at least one outside layer and are thus not "buried"* A subset of those involve both outside layers* A subset of those also accept a lead of a through-hole component...and notice the correlation between "feedthrough" and "through-hole component". The word "via" isn't involved at all. They're not "via components".Throughis the proper verb for both the components and the boards into which they install.Subject settled!

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2020, 04:02:51 pm
content: As long as we’re being pedantic, “through” is not a verb. It can be a preposition, adverb, or adjective.Personally, I use “feedthrough” to mean a discrete component or connector that penetrates a panel, not the hole itself, but you are free to use it for a plated-through hole.“Via” isneverpronounced “feed through”, which was the question. You also mis-spelled “pronunciation”.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2020, 09:53:51 pm
content: Quote from: Karel on October 15, 2020, 01:12:39 pmI think we've settled the pronunciation debate, now for the written English lesson. There's no apostrophe in vias, because it's plural, rather than possessive, or an abbreviation.

author: vk6zgo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2020, 10:55:39 pm
content: Quote from: IDEngineer on October 22, 2020, 03:08:42 pmThat was probably about the same time as "Parts List"became "BOM", & "frequency response sweep" became "Bode Plot" (when I learnt about the latter, they were a purely theoretical thing done on graph paper, showing sharp calculated "breakpoints", not real world, gradual ones).Quote

author: IDEngineer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2020, 01:48:18 am
content: Feedthrough strikes me as still a perfectly good label for them. Not sure why the term suddenly became "unworthy".

author: notsob
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 23, 2020, 02:52:03 am
content: doesn't "feedthrough" translate to macdonalds