DER DE-5000 on eBay for cheap! (US only :( ) - Page 1
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author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 12:57:27 am
content: All,Just bought one of these from this seller for $3 more, but shoot, still an amazing price. LCR Meter, short leads, tweezers, and ground lead for $82 USD. Seller even paid for USPS Priority International (Got to the US West Coast in less than a week from Japan).http://www.ebay.com/itm/261527961316No idea how/why he's selling them for so much less than everyone else on eBay. My unit seems to work great from the testing I've done (which isn't a lot, but enough to know it "works").So, if you need an LCR meter, this one would be REALLY hard to beat for price, or features for that matter.* I am in no way affiliated with the seller. I've just needed an LCR meter, and found him way below everyone else's price, and bought the last one he had last week, now he has more... so, no idea. Maybe he's got some contact with DER's direct sales.

author: JuiceKing
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 01:26:48 am
content: This is a really nice LCR meter, and at this price it's irresistible.Last time I was in Japan I went looking for it in Akihabara, Tokyo's famous electronics district, and it was absolutely nowhere to be found. Bizarre.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 01:32:14 am
content: they don't ship to Canada and won't take messages

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 01:41:50 am
content: Boo! Okay, will edit my post to indicate US only, maybe.Know anyone in the states that would forward to ya?

author: JonnyBoats
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 03:02:45 am
content: I just ordered one of these, thanks for posting the linkFYI:Here is a link to the product sheet:http://www.deree.com.tw/downloadfiles/28-eng%29DE-5000.pdfand here is a link to Dave's tear-down video:which is for the IET DE-5000 LCR Meter. I do knot know what the differences are between the IET and the DER DE are? Is it a simple re-branding?

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 03:13:11 am
content: DER is the OEM for IET, so it's the same.Only think I have against the unit is it seems much bigger than it needs to be. But, whatever. Does what I need, and "easy" to use (actually, it's pretty complex if you have never had something that measures phase angle, dissipation, etc). Not sure if I'm going to now sell my "Blue" ESR meter.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 03:36:41 am
content: Quote from: staze on July 13, 2014, 03:13:11 amI don't think it's too big. with the combination of the screen + buttons + connectivity and that fact that it stands up well. additionally, it's build so damn solidly there's no flex to be had.(I just wanted another one, so no big loss)

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 03:45:50 am
content: It's not too big, it's bigger than it needs to be given what's in it. The buttons are bigger than they need to be, etc. but it's fine, and easy to use at a distance. It's VERY solid. Though, lighter than I was expecting when I first saw it, and picked it up. So really, very solid, just not very dense. :pI went looking for a 9v wall wart for it today, and came home empty. The power jack is a bit of an odd size, and worse, it's deeper than normal. :/ ah well.I did fine a decent storage box for it though. One of these:http://m.target.com/p/sterilite-small-storage-bin-with-clips-set-of-6-green/-/A-13487672Fits well, and keeps the pieces together when not using it.Anyway, hopefully the seller will open up to more than the US.

author: AnarchNark
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 04:11:26 am
content: Thanks man. I proudly picked one up this evening. Can't beat the price by $40-$60.

author: London Lad
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 08:55:58 am
content: He is shipping from Japan. Email him for cost to locations other than USA

author: AnarchNark
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 02:39:24 pm
content: I just noticed that the seller is changing the listing to say that there is more quantity available. Essentially so you feel pressed to buy it and then it turns out there's a thousand of them instead of just the 3 or five the listing says.

author: TerminalJack505
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 02:52:07 pm
content: Quote from: AnarchNark on July 13, 2014, 02:39:24 pmLOL. Yep. About 10 hours ago he showed 2 for sell. Now he shows 5. The price went up $5 too. It is now $87.I'm still tempted to grab one.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 03:46:21 pm
content: They still show as $82 to me. But I do see he's added stock. Still a hard price to beat.

author: TerminalJack505
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 04:05:14 pm
content: Quote from: staze on July 13, 2014, 03:46:21 pmThat's funny. I still had the tab open and it showed $87, 5 available. I refreshed and it now shows $82, 7 available.

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2014, 11:55:40 pm
content: Couldn't resist this price! Killer deal.In for one! I kept putting off buying one of these but at this price its a no brainer.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 12:13:16 am
content: That was my take. Still haven't found a power adapter that fits. Anyone that has the official AC adapter want to measure the length and width of the barrel? Pin size would be awesome too, but probably harder to attain.

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 12:43:57 am
content: Official IET DE-5000 wall wart.Barrel OD = 3.47mmBarrel ID = 1.346mmBarrel length = 12.25mm

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 12:58:47 am
content: Also available from here at a good price of $86.25 + $17 int'l shipping to Europe.http://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-DE-5000-with-TL-21-TL-22-New-japan/191240906102?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D21235%26meid%3D8297238049824352504%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9374%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D261527961316&rt=nc

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 01:03:56 am
content: Quote from: robrenz on July 14, 2014, 12:43:57 amHaha, leave it to Roberenz to give you the values to four sig figs. To be honest, I don't think I would even trust my ability to measure the diameters to that level of accuracy. Mass? Sure. Diameter? Nope.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 02:33:27 am
content: Says the chemist. Kinda hard (and pointless) to measure dimensions of most chemicals. Leave that to crystallography and physists. ;pI'm scared to ask, but roberenz, what machinist tool do you have for the interior of the barrel? I'm assuming to get the exterior to that precision was a micrometer. Though funny you gave mm when I thought you worked in thou's. :p

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 02:46:18 am
content: Quote from: staze on July 14, 2014, 02:33:27 amI have gage pin sets in .001" increments that I put into the hole. A .053" pin fit all the way in and a .054" pin only started in. .053" = 1.3462mm but the pins are only accurate to +0" -.0002" which is .005mm. So including the 3rd digit was silly on my part.

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 03:05:04 am
content: Quote from: staze on July 14, 2014, 02:33:27 amWhile normally true, a lot of what I work on is nanometer scale (I'm a nanomaterials chemist aka materials science chemistry). So it is very easy to measure using a SEM and software like ImageJ.For mass, we have several 5.5 digit scales (can measure reliably down to 100's of ug's on a bad day and 10's of ug's on a good day).Quote from: robrenz on July 14, 2014, 02:46:18 amStill very impressive all the same, hopefully I didn't come off as if I was making fun of you.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 03:13:46 am
content: Quote from: robrenz on July 14, 2014, 02:46:18 amOh, of course. Still. The right tools!That said, makes me wonder how often gauge pins (and for that matter gauge shims) should be replaced due to wear. Guess not often assuming you don't force them and wear off material.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 03:23:53 am
content: Quote from: PedroDaGr8 on July 14, 2014, 03:05:04 amSo, like self assembly, or...? That pad of ochem was a lot of fun. Figures you'd be a materials chemist. Also thought of metallurgy as an exception as well (though, that's into crystallography). SEMs would make that doable. Boy I miss chem. :p

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 04:35:39 am
content: Quote from: staze on July 14, 2014, 03:23:53 amWe exploit methods to "focus" the products into relatively monodisperse populations. Methods like dynamic focusing and Ostwald ripening. It works surprisingly well overall.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 04:01:10 pm
content: Now the seller says local pickup only. Seems like someone is experimenting with eBay, or just got overwhelmed by our demand.

author: mjkuwp
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 05:13:17 pm
content: I was wondering how this would be handled in USA Customs. It is why I did not order one.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 05:14:18 pm
content: Quote from: mjkuwp on July 14, 2014, 05:13:17 pmMine cleared customs easily, and there was no charge for duty or anything. Guess we'll see if he changes back to shipping the items.

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 08:31:55 pm
content: ordered one last night. noticed the changing qty's and prices too. looked at the link and thought it said $82, but when i went back later, it said $87. then i checked it later in the night and it said $82 again, so i figured, wtf, you only live once.searching similar items, i did find a few of them cheaper, but when you factor in all of the accy's this one came with, still looks like the best deal.one question, what are the "tr-21" and "tr-23" that come with it? i was assuming they were ac and dc power adapters, but judging by the previous comments, i no longer assume that.

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 08:35:02 pm
content: ok, on second look (well, 5th or 6th, until i managed to notice it), i see the alligator clip adapter has a tl-21 on it, so im guessing those boxes are empty, with their contents shown, and not additional items.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 08:38:17 pm
content: Quote from: deth502 on July 14, 2014, 08:35:02 pmCorrect. You get the (one of each) DE-5000, TL-21, TL-22, TL-23, and that's it.

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 14, 2014, 10:41:15 pm
content: Quote from: staze on July 14, 2014, 04:01:10 pmIt's kinda funny. Oh well, luckily I impulse purchased. I received my tracking number this morning.

author: sorin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2014, 05:27:05 pm
content: @ Japan this (DE-5000, TL-21, TL-22, TL-23) cost only 65$ (tax included)

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 15, 2014, 05:28:07 pm
content: Quote from: sorin on July 15, 2014, 05:27:05 pmYeah, think I saw that on an Akihabara listing onetime. Still...

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2014, 01:44:24 am
content: Received my device today, exactly as described. Thanks for the awesome deal mate!Board says LCR Rev. 8.

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2014, 01:53:28 am
content: Have already 2 portable and 1 bench LCR, alost pull the trigger few days back to ask someone to get from Japan, price was just too good....but IET site announces a DE 6000 now. More accurate.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2014, 03:07:13 am
content: Re de-6000 :http://www.ittsb.eu/forum/index.php?topic=862.0

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2014, 12:39:45 pm
content: I had wondered where Kiriakos had gone....now I knowHe used to be very active on this forum but disappeared a long time ago.Interesting to read his comments on the DE-6000.Aurora

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2014, 08:00:58 pm
content: Quote from: all_repair on July 20, 2014, 01:53:28 amTHanks to Kirakos post I looked into it more. The new model number is almost COMPLETE marketing BULLSHIT. The only specs that have changed at all are Resistance at 1kHz ( 200, 2k and 20k ohms ranges are now 0.2%+2 instead of 0.3%+2), Capacitance at 1kHz ( 20, 200 and 2000nF ranges are now 0.2%+2 instead of 0.3%+2). It also lists DCR as improved but if you compare the specs in the Der EE DE-5000 datasheet to the DE-6000 specs, there is NO difference.I have a feeling IET Labs was tired of getting its lunch eaten. They realized that since they calibrate their meters they could tighten the specs from 0.3% to 0.2%. Give it a new part number (higher of course so people think its dramatically better) and hope that people think that its some dramatic improvement and buy theirs instead of the DER EE one.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2014, 08:05:22 pm
content: Yup. Especially since it looks the same (save color).Sad they're doing this. Especially since DER could just calibrate a bit more strictly and do the exact same thing.

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2014, 08:14:11 pm
content: Quote from: staze on July 20, 2014, 08:05:22 pmI think more telling is the fact that they could only barely tighten a few limited parameters. It says a lot about how well Der EE is doing on their own their own calibrations. Der EE seems to really know their meter well.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2014, 08:35:59 pm
content: Yeah. And passing that off as a 33% improvement, while true, is a bit... Crappy?

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2014, 06:09:22 am
content: Now you all start my itch again. I would not be so hard on IET. In Asia(non China), we are paying 200-300% of US price on test equipment and soldering gears and the sellers do not even need to rebrand or value-add the product.

author: AnarchNark
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2014, 05:43:23 pm
content: I just received my unit from this seller, and it shipped EXTREMELY fast for coming from Japan. I love the cool asian packaging styles that their packages have. Good deal.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2014, 05:45:57 pm
content: Quote from: AnarchNark on July 21, 2014, 05:43:23 pmYeah, I was pretty impressed. Shipping label on my indicated he spent about 1850¥ on shipping (or about $18.25 USD). Brings the "price" down to really cheap.

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2014, 08:36:06 pm
content: got mine today too. didnt expect it until at least thursday (according to ebays shipping estimate time window)

author: deth502
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timestamp: July 22, 2014, 01:53:56 am
content: fyi, they are back up with free shipping to the us again for $85

author: TerminalJack505
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2014, 02:28:08 am
content: Quote from: deth502 on July 22, 2014, 01:53:56 amThanks for the heads-up. I was kicking myself for not ordering one before they went up to $125.

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2014, 03:08:17 am
content: Quote from: deth502 on July 22, 2014, 01:53:56 amAwesome news! I'll throw a quick link in my teardown thread to give anyone who didn't know a headsup. Thanks for letting us know deth.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2014, 11:27:50 pm
content: Curious, did anyone else get the "Err" message on the first couple power ups?

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2014, 01:34:20 am
content: Quote from: staze on July 22, 2014, 11:27:50 pmDid you have the tweezers or alligator clips installed? I remember something about this being discussed before. I'll see if I can find it.

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2014, 01:36:47 am
content: Quote from: PedroDaGr8 on July 23, 2014, 01:34:20 amYeah, I saw it elsewhere, and no one could pinpoint what it was. I didn't have anything installed at the time. First power up, it just did that and powered off. Did it one other time, but hasn't since. Was just curious. =)

author: deth502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2014, 04:18:44 am
content: i turned it on once, then put the aligator clip lead in once it was on. no error messages. havent gotten to play with it yet.

author: torr032
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2014, 02:57:03 pm
content: I bought mine from this seller:http://www.ebay.com/itm/171260782793?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649Based on my request he has even put a lower price on the box, 40$ and it has clearly passed my country custom, I didn't had to pay no VAT.Just wanted to thank him

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2014, 03:26:01 pm
content: I see $85+$14 shipping, without ground lead, so this is more, but still a good price. I would assume (given the VAT comment) he ships to places other than the US?

author: torr032
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2014, 04:39:15 pm
content: I paid it 84.35 + 14$. He was the only one who agreed to put a lower price the others said "no I can't do it that is illegal". Bit now I see he has removed my country from the countries he ships to, don't know why everything went well in my case.I don't really need a ground wire, I presume it's only for the high resistance measuring, but it's not that hard to make one if needed?

author: staze
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2014, 04:42:39 pm
content: Ah, well given the VAT savings, probably worth it.And yeah, ground lead is like a dollar cost, at most.