First Timer Thermal Camera - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2016, 11:01:07 am
content: So this week we got a new Fire truck for the volunteering I do at RFS in Australia.There was a box with a dermal camera and there it was my first experience with one of these beauty.Ive always wanted to see one or have on but at the time the cheapest was a few thousand and you would only see them on Discovery Mythbusters.So I'm looking to get one for fun and also something I could use in the house, for some of my LED projects (to see how heat is spreading in the heatsink) and outside to spot animals and maybe humans when doing search and rescue.I do have an android phone (Galaxy S7 Edge) so can use the attachable modules.I had my eyes on the Flip C2 as it looks compact and sturdy. Also found a brand new one for $520 usd. Is that a good price?But then after browsing a little bit of this forum i saw that many people have a ThermalExpert Q1. Which i have never head before but the specs seem to be really good, similar to the Therm-app which i would love to own but at $999 its a bit too much for my pocketoh the dream.SO how much are these ThermalExpert Q1? Ive looked online but no place has price!I wanted too spend under 600usd.Thanks in advance.

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2016, 11:45:41 am
content: Prices from a few months ago:T.E. Q1 -> 499$T.E. Q1 Plus -> 599$T.E. Q1 Pro -> 699$T.E. V1 -> 2999$Accessories kit -> $80Shipping 65$-85$.

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2016, 11:51:24 am
content: Thanks for that. And does the T.E. Q1 compare to the Therm-App? What i really like about the therm-app is the ability to see at really far distances and it has a great quality image.

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2016, 12:13:12 pm
content: Sensor has the same resolution and images are really low noise and high in details so I don't see any advantages of Therm-App over TE Q1.See my photos here:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/thermal-imaging-gallery/?allIf you want to see things that are far away then you need lens with long focal length. For therm-app you could get 19mm and 35mm lens.The "longest" lens for TE Q1 are 13mm FL.

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2016, 12:15:44 pm
content: Quote from: frenky on December 02, 2016, 12:13:12 pmCool so that saved me a lot already.Do you think the TE Q1 can see things 20-30 meters ok?Is the TE Q1 still a better option than the Flir C2, when I can get a C2 for $520?

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 02, 2016, 12:24:07 pm
content: TE Q1 is a Bugatti Veyron and Flir C2 is a Kia Picanto.You can't compare images from 384x288 sensor to 80x60 sensor. C2 is just an expensive toy.With 13mm lens you can easily see stuff at 30m.This is castle approx 500m away:And this road is about 1km away:

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 02, 2016, 08:19:25 pm
content: Quote from: frenky on December 02, 2016, 12:24:07 pmWOW. That's impressive! I want one bad now.I assume the 13mm lens is an optional?What about closer distances and seeing things through wall? Any video review of this product? I've looked on YouTube but there are only a few videos and none review it.Also how do we order?

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2016, 01:31:22 am
content: Comparing the Seek compact pro vs the TE Q1? They are similar specs and price. The Seek compact pro is also 15hzSent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

author: encryptededdy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2016, 10:49:45 am
content: The thermal expert is definitely ahead in terms of noise performance and actual usable resolution.While the 15Hz of the Seek is a advantage, depending on what you're using it for more resolution and less noise is probably more important.Also while I haven't used the ThermalExpert software, judging from mike's review thew Seek Pro's app is really shitty.

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 03, 2016, 02:04:22 pm
content: You'll only be able to get close to 15fps on top spec'd phone.But from what I have seen image quality is nowhere near TE Q1.See here:http://blog.ivytools.com/2016/08/11/seek-compact-pro-ff-image-gallery/While "Compact Pro" is a lot better than original Seek it's still noisy as hell...Quote from: Bruno28 on December 02, 2016, 08:19:25 pmYou can buy TE Q1 by filing out this form:http://www.i3-thermalexpert.com/buy-now/I3system will then contact you with instructions for payment with paypal.

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 03, 2016, 02:09:05 pm
content: Camparison of Seek Pro vs TE Q1 for pcb inspection:Seek Compact ProTE Q1:

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 03, 2016, 07:44:21 pm
content: Thanks for all the replies. The TE Q1 does seem to outperform the Seek compact pro. The image is so sharp!Can't wait to order. I hope the price has gone down a bit from $499 now.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

author: Gral
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 05, 2016, 09:29:04 am
content: Someone recently ordered q.e. q1 plus? The price of $ 1100 it is now?

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2016, 10:01:20 am
content: In August it was 600$:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/another-smartphone-thermal-imager-from-i3/msg1001140/#msg1001140Did you contact them and got 1100$ price?Do you know what is the price of basic TE Q1 now?

author: Gral
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: December 05, 2016, 10:41:28 am
content: Quote from: frenky on December 05, 2016, 10:01:20 amToday I received a letter from them.q1-1000$, plus-1100$, pro-1300$.Maybe someone will write to them about the prices?

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 05, 2016, 02:19:26 pm
content: Wow so they added 500$ to old prices...Now it makes more sense to buy Therm-App because it comes with 19mm f/1.1 lens while basic TE Q1 has 6.8mm f/1.3 lens.Or just get Flir E4 and hack it to E8+.SeekThermal guys are probably opening champagnes right now...

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 05, 2016, 09:15:57 pm
content: I contacted them and got the following prices, shipping is so expensive for a small item.1. TE-Q1 (384 x 288 array) Price- T.E – Q1 with default lens (6.8mm lens) : $499* Temperature measurement range : -10°C ~ 150°C* You can use our camera by directly connecting to the smart-phone.- T.E – Q1 Plus with 13mm lens (13mm lens, FOV : 28 , Sensitivity : 50mK) : $599* Temperature measurement range : -10°C ~ 120°C* You can use our camera by directly connecting to the smart-phone.- T.E – Q1 Pro camera with default lens (6.8mm lens) : $699* Temperature measurement range : -10°C ~ 250°C- Accessories kit : $80* You can choose the accessories in order to use our camera with the cradle, tripod and cable.- Option lens (13mm lens) : $180* FOV : 35°, sensitivity : 0.05°C* You can choose the optional lens in order to detect the long distance and get the better sensitivity.* It is interchangeable lens.2. T.E-V1 Price (640x480 pixels)- Thermal Expert camera with default lens (19mm lens, 9Hz) : $2,990* Temperature measurement range : -10°C ~ 120°C* OS : Android, Window (We also provide the Windows software[real time] for our camera.)* You have to use the recent smart-phone.* It includes accessories.- Thermal Expert camera with default lens (19mm lens, 30Hz) : $3,490- Shipping cost : $65

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 06, 2016, 07:45:47 am
content: Yeah shipping is expensive but at least you got the "old?" prices.

author: Bill W
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2016, 03:00:11 pm
content: bruno,Which camera is in the truck ?regardsBill

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2016, 09:14:19 pm
content: Quote from: Bill W on December 06, 2016, 03:00:11 pmHello Bill,I don't get your question. In the truck?Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

author: rich
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2016, 01:09:12 am
content: I think he means in your fire truck...Quote from: Bruno28 on December 02, 2016, 11:01:07 am

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 07, 2016, 07:43:39 am
content: Quote from: rich on December 07, 2016, 01:09:12 amOhhhhhhhhh. It's this oneDräger UCF7000Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

author: IdahoMan
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 02:07:23 am
content: Any way to connect some of these cams to a screen, DVR, or RCA/BNC?

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 14, 2016, 08:13:24 am
content: Flir One V2, SeekThermal, i3 ThemalExpert, Them-App can all work on linux so you could connect them to RaspberryPi model B which has RCA video out.Or just use HDMI out on any RPI.

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 23, 2017, 11:04:10 am
content: So i got my first camera! I was leaning towards the T.E Q1.But then i gave up as i thought $499usd plus $60 shipping was too much for something that would be only for entertainment and would need to remove the case on my phone every time i needed to use the thermal camera.On another note that cost me even more..... I got a Therm-App THPaid $999 ausd for a brand new unit (about $724usd). Which i think is a bargain (even though its a lot of money for me) And I think that if I get bored and don't end up using it anymore, I can always sell for what I got for it or maybe more as they retail for $1999usd (2700ausd here).

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2017, 11:52:41 am
content: Some photos and videos of me playing with it like a kid.https://youtu.be/G7VPPYR09hwGas stoveVeins in armMacBook proGarage wallFlashlightBat flying at nightFridgeMilk (you can see how full it is)Car

author: bowhunter-57
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2017, 01:28:09 pm
content: Hi Bruno, I'm new to this Thermo stuff,I'm looking for a unit I can use to recover game with,what did you get and do you think it has the range I need for game recovery? I'm looking at a range of 100yds.thanks Phil

author: Bruno28
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 07, 2017, 10:24:16 pm
content: Quote from: bowhunter-57 on February 07, 2017, 01:28:09 pmHello.I'm not sure what you mean by game recovery. I suspect by your account name and the 100yards it's something to do with hunting.So this camera that I got is really good resolution. But it has a wide angle of 6.8mm. The smaller the mm on the lens the more of a wide angle it will be snd the higher the mm the more 'zoom' you will get on the location your epointing toYou would want something with less wide angle so that you can see thing closer in the screen. So a lens like 19mm that they sell would be a better option for spotting things at a distance.I'm very new to this too. But it's a lot of fun taking photos and seeing temperature.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk