1Ghz Keysight Pro-Gaming Oscilloscope with Liquid Cooling - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: DEV001
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2021, 09:22:21 pm
content: He starts out with a Keysight MSO-X 3104T and 'enhances' the cosmetics and cooling quite a bit.After watching this my scope is starting to look pretty bland.Summary:Meet the world's first liquid-cooled dual-screen RGB pro-gaming oscilloscope, the MLG-Z 42069.™ It's got TWO windows.Keysight Technologies sent me an $18,000 oscilloscope, and I used my gaming PC case-modding skills to hack in a Raspberry Pi Pico, carve out a window, add a water-cooled Raspberry Pi touchscreen, and taste the rainbow with over six feet of RGB DotStar and NeoPixel LED's. It's our last week before moving to Colorado, and we're going out with a crassly ostentatious bang.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2021, 10:25:38 pm
content: What an idiotic waste of time and equipment.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2021, 10:27:25 pm
content: Seems like a proud vandal.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2021, 10:35:19 pm
content: Like... why? I don't even get why Keysight would sponsor this video with a free scope. Who are they attracting here? Your average 'RGB Gamer Arduino Engineer' isn't going to have the cash for a $2,000 Keysight scope, let alone the $18k top-end 3000 series. And a engineering manager responsible for buying T&M is not going to spec out scopes on the basis of this video here... If anything, it just makes me go, "what a waste of time, money, and RGB LEDs."The only logic I can see is Keysight know each scope really costs very little to make compared to the NREs behind the scope, you're essentially paying for R&D when buying something like this, so even one sale will easily make up for the cost of the scope. But, yeah... it's odd.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2021, 10:44:16 pm
content: QuoteIt's almost as though an oscilloscope is an instrument intended for displaying useful information rather than inducing office wide epileptic seizures.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2021, 10:49:50 pm
content: A 1st of April thing?

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 28, 2021, 11:23:16 pm
content: That is pure vandalism, and horrible waste..Is that how Keysight values their own instrument?It shows lack of respect towards something valuable and good.Why they didn't give it to a school in some country that cannot afford it?Instead give it to an idiot to vandalize it ??Keysight, there is such a thing as bad marketing...Fail.

author: TheSteve
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 12:08:23 am
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on February 28, 2021, 11:23:16 pm+1

author: temperance
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 12:44:23 am
content: Perhaps he can apply for a job at Rigol.

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 02:56:22 am
content: Then again, as they say "there's no such thing as bad publicity"...

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 04:40:54 am
content: What an idiotic waste of time. If I'd been considering a Keysight instrument this would change my mind.

author: Andie
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 08:53:06 am
content: This hurts physically. I had to stop watching after three minutes.

author: Ice-Tea
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 09:18:05 am
content: Reminds me of this:

author: Circlotron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 11:01:30 am
content: Is Carly Fiorina back, now as head of marketing?

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 12:07:19 pm
content: The whole concept is ridiculous, in (my opinion) a VERY bad way, technically speaking.Test equipment (in some environments), is used to carefully take accurate readings, which can be used to make very important manufacturing/design decisions. Incorrect results can (in some cases), lead to production failures (mistakes), which can cost businesses fortunes, or even badly damage the companies image.It might even affect the safety of devices, that are put into production.So, opening up a (presumably/generally) calibrated test instrument, and making internal modifications. Which could affect the reliability/accuracy/warranty and even safety of any measurements made with the equipment. Is a real big NO NO.Their marketing department, may think it is an obvious 'joke', but (at least to me), it looks ridiculous.I can't see how Keysight, expect to be taken seriously as a decent/quality maker of quality/reliable/accurate test equipment, if they make stunts like this.tl;drI'm now seriously worried that the senior technical people at Keysight, don't have the necessary management influence, to produce reliable instruments, if things like that video, get past marketing.I.e. If someone gave me hundreds of millions of dollars, to buy an aircraft, would I choose Boeing, as the suppler of the aircraft ?A brand can be damaged, by poor management.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 12:56:29 pm
content: That's, ermm, yeah, I'll just be over in that corner weeping gently.I'm trying to save up the cash for a reasonable Siglent and he gets to wreck $18K of Keysight, heartbreaking.The guitar thing, from some passing involvement with a few bands and a rather well connected drummer who was married to a colleague*, it's extremely rare that a guitarist will smash up something of value (they do generally actually care about the instruments), they usually smash up the Owon of guitars rather than the Keysight and there's often some poor put upon guitar tech who's tasked with gluing even the cheap ones back together so they can be 'played' and then smashed up again at the next gig.*It's quite something to pop into a tiny, local drum shop to drop off repaired PA gear to find yourself drinking tea and chatting with people you've seen on the front cover of Kerrang or similar publications.

author: newbrain
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 02:18:41 pm
content: I am horrified.I have just PMed Daniel Bogdanoff, pointing at this thread and asking for his PoV.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 02:37:48 pm
content: Oookay.Because of this, I shall not be participating in Keysight University Live this year. I have a strict bullshit filter, and this thing just clogged it.(Not that I would ever win anything, nor is me not participating a negative for Keysight, because I have zero effect on anyone acquiring Keysight products.)

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 02:51:34 pm
content: This is a hit piece like any other over-exaggerated news article out there.Although I think that committing a 1GHz oscilloscope is extremely wasteful and a slap in the face over many folks that would like to have a simple Owon, it is cheap change for Keysight to throw this out there and try to cater to a broader (younger?) audience that is fully on board with computer mods, LEDs, liquid cooling and 3D Printers. Just check the likes/dislikes ratio on the video and several praising comments - the horrified souls are the absolute minority.The caveat: whoever is making the decisionstodayand will bring the $$$ most probably don't care/didn't watch/is not swayed by this stunt.Quote from: newbrain on March 01, 2021, 02:18:41 pmDid you watch the video? Keysight is fully onboard with that. For them it is cheap change to try something new.(edit) And no, before you start throwing tomatoes, I did not appreciate the stunt but maybe I am very jaded with similar things done in the past to completely unrelated/disconnected initiatives.

author: MuhScopeBroke
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 02:52:12 pm
content: Everyone in this thread is so angry, just let him do his thing lol

author: lukier
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 03:01:44 pm
content: Oh wow this is so bad on many levels.First of all why modding like that in the first place, it actually decreases the value of the scope (and I bet the specs). I bet here on the forum there are many much more interesting mods, frontend tweaks, mods for older probes to work with AutoProbe etc.Second, even if we assume there is some value in this gamer-RGB-eye-candy modding well this one isn't very aesthetic at all, more like a crude hacksaw + hot glue gun type of job.Seems like Keysight doesn't take pride in their designs much nowadays to allow such "publicity".

author: newbrain
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 03:08:36 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on March 01, 2021, 02:51:34 pmYep, and that's why I'd like them to comment!

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 03:26:26 pm
content: Quote from: rsjsouza on March 01, 2021, 02:51:34 pmIf this is the case, it is a serious damage to their reputation. They did not learn from awarding a top level scope to a teen's water heater project a few years back, did they.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 03:41:32 pm
content: Quit whining ya'll. You are just jealous you didn't come up with it.There are lots of equipment uphacking threads on this forum.The watercooling system is an interesting idea. There is quite a bit of equipment out there with heatsinks and screeming fans just to cool a few devices. I can do without the LEDs for sure but it could be an interesting idea to get cooling directed at devices which need it the most.I'd say A for effort. Pity that the RGB lit encoder knobs didn't work out. But the guy needs a financial donation to get his glasses fixed.Some people just like to mod stuff. This car probably cost more than $20k and look what someone with a sick mind did to it:

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 05:41:31 pm
content: Quote from: MuhScopeBroke on March 01, 2021, 02:52:12 pmHe can do whatever idiotic thing he can with his own money...Problem is that Keysight donated fully functional 1 GHZ oscilloscope to this retard to destroy it....Instead give it to the kid that won 1 st award on a local physic or electronics high school competition.Morale of the story, let's be idiots...

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 05:44:42 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on March 01, 2021, 03:41:32 pmWell, that's also an idiot..Except Mercedes didn't donate this car to be destroyed. Some weirdo doing this to his own car is different from Mercedes sponsoring it...

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 06:29:37 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on March 01, 2021, 03:41:32 pmNo. I'm stupefied by the uselessification of a wonderful tool.Did they mod the scope to fit in a passively-cooled silent chassis, for anechoic chamber testing? No.Did they mod the scope to reduce its EMI and EMI sensitivity, for EMI chamber testing? No.Not even seeing if adding a grounded ITO layer in front of the display could remove the (little) EMI from the display (although that makes touch screens inoperable)? No.Did they mod the scope to sit nicely in a standard 19" rack, which everybody uses to build transportable test setups and even scientific experiments? No.Did they use the scope as a tool? No, they just wanted eye candy.I just left academia, because while I am a pretty darn good simulator and research software tool developer, at least here nobody is interested in that: it is much easier to just buy more hardware (typically top-tier Nvidia gear for GPU computation), and use the same inefficient software we've had for the last two or three decades. Talk about using a hammer to drive screws in... Like Keysight here, nobody is interested in actually modifying the tools so that they'd be better suited for the task, since it is easier to get funding for more new hardware instead. Everything is measured using oddball metrics (like "views on Youtube", or the number of published papers per employee ignoring whether those papers are correct or need to be retracted later – those are Somebody Elses Problems). Like with the blinged-out scope, it's easy to get attention by doing whatever everyone else is also already doing; at least then you're swimming with the flow, not against it.And it's stupid: waste of an expensive tool, and a tool that many hobbyists like myself cannot afford.(My current "scope" is an Analog Discovery 2 board. I only do low voltage stuff, but I do need differential input in the 0..5 VDC range, for example for measuring gadgets' 5VDC current draw over a shunt resistor; typically the exact value isn't that interesting, as I'm more looking at the spikiness and fluctuation instead. Glitches in the current flow in the 10 Hz - 1 MHz frequency range, really. A proper scope and a differential probe is > 1k€. And if I save up to that, I better save up for a better model, so I can do rough EMI testing – at least comparative testing, to see if the device I'm working on produces less EMI than a known acceptable device. And then I might be ready to get a reflow oven, and consider moving to 4/6-layer boards and BGA components. So yeah, Iamjealous of those who get free expensive tools, because I know how useful good tools are. Seeing them converted to a Raspberry Pi Light Show is, frankly, pretty damn offensive.)

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 07:32:11 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 01, 2021, 06:29:37 pmWell, if you listened carefully to the intro of the video then there are 2 things you should have picked up:1) It is not a new oscilloscope from Keysight but one they use(d) as a prop for their videos. IOW: it is likely faulty/ broken in one or more ways and no longer suitable as lab equipment or even a prop. Note that later on in the video the guy mentions it shuts down every now and then.2) Keysight has sponsored the video to attract more attention & contestants to their annual contest; that is how the project serves their purpose.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 07:44:26 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on March 01, 2021, 07:32:11 pmIt might attract entrants, but does it attract buyers? I'm not sure people want to spend big bucks on exotic instruments sold with the "clown car" vibe.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 08:52:02 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on March 01, 2021, 07:44:26 pmAt some point most people grow up and they will remember the brand. Mercedes has a whole bunch of merchandise for kids:https://www.mercedes-benz-classic-store.com/en/collections/kids/At some point they may want the real thing.If you look more carefull you'll see a lot of brands will try to imprint on people at a young age because that is a cost effective thing to do. Tobacco manufacturers are notorious for this method of advertising.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 09:03:45 pm
content: I once did a practice poster on nanorheometers used in biophysics to study fluid/suspension flows in response to applied forces at the nanometer scale. These are usually commercial atomic force microscopes converted to the purpose; sometimes just a matter of using different software, sometimes rather interesting hacks. (IIRC, my poster had just a couple of examples of use, and focused on the modifications to AFM needed.)I can imagine tons of different ways an expensive scope could be modified to work even better in a particular situation/environment, from clean room (say, hard drive recovery or similar) needs and acoustic/EMI measurement setups onwards.Most manufacturers I've dealt with are horrified about anyone opening their enclosures (the warranty void stickers), and talking about adapting one of their high end devices to fit a specific need even better probably causes heart palpitations to their marketing teams. I can see huge marketing value in doing that sort of a video, based on the interest my practice poster garnered in my fellow students at the time, and because it would be so different to the current industry marketing practices. I still remember that practice poster session, because despite being about as interesting as dirt,the possibilities such a tool hasmade for a surprisingly lively discussion among various physics students, with lots of other "outside the box" ideas on modifying existing equipment voiced out loud.Anyone who is interested in garnering publicity by addingRaspberry Pi RGB lightsto a tool is a tool in my opinion. That sort of stuff just clogs my bullshit filter.Then again, I could be wrong. Perhaps billions of fliesareright, and dung actually does taste excellent.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 09:17:52 pm
content: Yeah well what else would you do with a DSO with only 4 Mpts of memory depth.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 01, 2021, 11:21:09 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 01, 2021, 09:03:45 pmProbably but you'd have to start with a scope which isn't broken.A couple of years ago there was a thread about an Ebay listing showing a Tektronix scope on which all the front panel controls where extended using long plastic rods. Probably the oscilloscope was at danger of carrying high voltages so someone choose to increase the isolation barrier to make it safe for the operator.

author: Someone
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 03:51:38 am
content: How quickly people forget scope on the bbq.

author: tautech
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 04:13:20 am
content: Quote from: Someone on March 02, 2021, 03:51:38 amOr the one on the mud run.

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 07:34:01 am
content: Thanks @newbrain for the PMMy thoughts & admissions of guilt:1. I am 100% and solely the one that is behind this @Keysight2. My personal opinion is that Zack does a great job with his channel and does some spectacular builds. The channel overall is not for everybody, and that's fine. If you don't like it, it's not for you. It has a very clear brand. I also do things with electroBOOM (and Dave, for that matter), and people have the same woes with all these channels.3. I really like the build & the video.- Is the scope as precise as before? Probably not (it's untested). Also he's not going to need the full bandwidth so it's ok if his is a bit detuned.- Do I love it? Yes.- Is 1 GHz overkill? 100% yes, but that's kind of the point. Also, it's what I had lying around so it's what he got.4. Even though Zack may not be doing bleeding edge circuit work, I enjoy the channel for what it is. I know not everyone feels that way, so go support the channels you DO appreciate!Quote from: nctnico on March 01, 2021, 07:32:11 pmYes. I'm always looking for new channels / options, and want to support the community overall. Part of doing this type of thing is that it also allows me to spend budget to get equipment into the hands of the content creators in the community. From a "teach & build up the global community" standpoint, one scope in the hands of Dave is worth 20 scopes in the hands of non-video makers. Channels are working hard to both educate and entertain, and I love that I can use events like this to support those efforts. Of course there's a business perk as well, but that's what pays the bills. I'm here typing this at 12:30 AM because I want the community to be supported and grow, not because I want to push more scopes. That's a 9-5 thing.Quote from: Circlotron on March 01, 2021, 11:01:30 amQuote from: tautech on March 01, 2021, 09:17:52 pmSomebody call the fire departmentQuote from: Someone on March 02, 2021, 03:51:38 amOG. I learned a lot from that! It was not a functional/usable scope so there was no real loss, but I still wouldn't do that again after the community response.Edit: I've gotten more emails from Keysight folks about this video than every other promo video I've worked out, combined. Everyone that reached out to me loved it.

author: Ice-Tea
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 11:09:17 am
content: Cudos to Daniel for replying to what is not a sympathetic crowdThat said, maybe next time give him a 100MHz scope or something. Might hurt a bit less

author: 2N3055
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 11:53:04 am
content: I don't mind crazy and over the top. For instance I like watching Electroboom. And I am really happy Keysight sponsored him with instruments. He is respectful towards what is expensive and good quality stuff...And he shows respect towards Keysight every time he speaks about it..And in addition to that, I wouldn't even speak up about it if this guy made some really cool looking steampunk or something artistic, with real and proper artistic and manufacturing skills. What he did is cheap, below average 3D printing, cheesy colours...etc. It literally looks like it was done by 5 year old. The rest of his projects are alsoThis video of his starts with sentence: "I had one weekend to buildprofessional qualityvideo controller..."Nuff said... In my mind he was not worthy...That's all... I realize it wasn't my choice to make, but, hey free speech and such..

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 12:22:14 pm
content: Quote from: 2N3055 on March 02, 2021, 11:53:04 amSomebody like Bad Dog Designs would make an awesome job of a 'scope but it wouldn't be a weekend's work.https://www.bad-dog-designs.co.uk/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaa3KE2HVH-Y5MTgGfSyxNgKudos to Daniel for replying and explaining as you say but it still burns that $18K of scope was given away to be ruined for clicks when most people and many businesses will *never* be able to afford something like that.

author: Keysight DanielBogdanoff
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 02, 2021, 11:16:37 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on March 02, 2021, 12:22:14 pmI love his stuff! I've been eyeing it on Twitter for a while, that would be a super cool collab.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 05:17:31 am
content: Quote from: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on March 02, 2021, 11:16:37 pmWell he's an approachable guy...

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 10:37:04 am
content: I vote for modding a PSU

author: electr_peter
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 12:04:39 pm
content: I would point out that Dave from EEBblog may have started visual scope modification theme with custom front panel graphics and boot screen image.Everyone has different taste for aesthetics. Personally I am not huge fan of RGB in everything, but modifications attracts attention from broader community.I would say that person forgot to change boot screen image(at least I did not see that)

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 01:33:32 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on March 03, 2021, 10:37:04 amAlready commonly done, but apart from the (relatively) small percentage who do power electronics, that stuff just isn't that interesting. It's usually looked at as part of something more interesting, such as modifying a cheap HP server PSU to use on a CR-10 3D printer, then replacing the heated bed with one of a higher power rating so it doesn't take as long to warm up.

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 04:33:08 pm
content: That's why there are so many pizza variants out there, everybody has a diffeent taste.

author: newbrain
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 04:57:17 pm
content: Quote from: Zucca on March 03, 2021, 04:33:08 pmBut pineapple pizza remains an abomination.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 08:17:45 pm
content: Quote from: newbrain on March 03, 2021, 04:57:17 pmIs pineapple fried rice also an abomination?

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 08:41:49 pm
content: Quote from: newbrain on March 03, 2021, 04:57:17 pmMy favorite kinds of pizza have pineapple on them. I'm not sure why some people find that so vile, or care. Lots of Polynesian foods combine pineapple with meat too.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 08:52:05 pm
content: Quote from: james_s on March 03, 2021, 08:41:49 pmIts not just Polynesian cuisine. Over much of East Asia pineapple is a common ingredient in meals. Its a classic way to soften tough meat, especially pork. An enzyme in pineapple will turn meat to mush given long enough. Is it that softening of the meat that some people dislike?

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 09:52:47 pm
content: I say, if people eatsurströmming,hákarl,smalahove, andmämmi, they can let others eat their pizza with pineapple toppings at peace, too.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2021, 10:14:26 pm
content: Quote from: coppice on March 03, 2021, 08:52:05 pmProbably the taste. I like pineapple both as fruit or part of a warm meal.

author: ANTALIFE
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 04:44:08 am
content: Maaaaan, so many sour grandpas in this thread...

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 08:45:02 am
content: Quote from: james_s on March 03, 2021, 08:41:49 pmI'm completely ambivalent to pineapple on pizza, raises no emotional response with me but I also fail to understand why people get so damned upset when somebody publishes their 'take' on a classic dish.Pineapple goes *great* with all sorts of pork/pig meat, it doesn't seem a terrible combination to put it on a pizza but by the same token I can't remember the last time I ate pizza with pineapple.I reckon it's some sort of manufactured outrage, might even be traceable back to a marketing campaign somewhere.

author: Fred27
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 08:54:18 am
content: I'm not sure the pineapple on pizza analogy is accurate. This is more like putting rat poison on a perfectly good pizza and being surprised that hungry people don't find that entertaining.

author: Refrigerator
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 11:07:05 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 01, 2021, 02:37:48 pmYeah, don't participate in a free event where you get a chance to win huge prizes for barely any effort, that will show Keysight.Guys stop being salty, it's not like you're losing something because a guy wanted to have some fun.Also "how can he be so crude with an 18k dollar scope"? Answer: he didn't know it was an 18k dollar scope.The guy only just became big recently and probably never had any sponsor bigger than nord-shadow-VPN-legends or whatever, he probably didn't expect anyone to send him a scope that's worth any more than 500 bucks.I watched the video, i liked it. The guy produces good content in general.TBH mods can just close this thread already, it's just people arguing and being upset over what someone else did with what they own (because they became successful through their own effort). What a travesty!

author: Terry Bites
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 11:33:42 am
content: I would have steam punked its ass.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 03:59:45 pm
content: Quote from: Refrigerator on March 04, 2021, 11:07:05 amYeah, because having any principles to live by is so outdated. Just get the free stuff, stop being salty, and let the world rot around you in peace.Giving away a scope to be modded was a bold move, something I haven't seen any manufacturer do before. Big kudos to Daniel for that. But choosing to blingify it with Raspberry Pi RGB lights, that's the salty bit; it hurt to see such a good tool converted to a blinkenlights toy.If anything, I'm hoping Daniel Bogdanoff will consider other modding projects in the future, but this time in a way that makes the scope even more useful. (I've already listed those.) It does not matter if it is a bit obscure use case, because people like the build videos, and none of the manufacturers have yet donated devices to be modded – other than now Keysight: if anything, they seem to be actively against anything like that. And scientists and engineers love their tools: seeing how one can be modified effectively isinteresting.

author: Refrigerator
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 05:13:28 pm
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 04, 2021, 03:59:45 pmPrinciples or lack thereof? How does some guy from the internet hurt you so bad?Personally i don't see how something like this would happen to a scope ever again neither do i let it "rot" the world around me.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 06:23:45 pm
content: If Keysight want exposure for their scopes, they should send one to Kardashians. A lot more audience than with some random RGB punk.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 06:27:51 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on March 04, 2021, 06:23:45 pmWell, Kim could use it to test Kanye's bipolar disorder... Bent over darling...

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2021, 11:46:08 pm
content: Quote from: Refrigerator on March 04, 2021, 05:13:28 pm"The world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it."- Albert Einstein, 1953Whatyoudo or tolerate, is up to you and your own conscience. But when you ridicule others for having principles and following their own conscience, you are evil.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 12:06:19 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 04, 2021, 11:46:08 pmI think Albert Einstein didn't aim this particular comment at molesting one physical object which -in the grand scheme of things- doesn't really matter. If you really cared for a better world you should not have used this quote in the context of this thread. Like killing millions of people on an industrial scale is equal to modding a scope with a few LEDs.

author: jh15
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 03:15:24 am
content: If you are homeless or starving, order a Hawaiian pizza for take-out just before closing time, then pick the warm pizza from the dumpster after they close.

author: Alex Eisenhut
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 03:37:09 am
content: About ten years ago something happened in the Tekscopes group that caused it to split into two groups and one of the outcomes was someone painted a 500 series scopes in white with red flames.Or that might have been the liquor. I can't find any pictures of the scope.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 03:37:25 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on March 05, 2021, 12:06:19 amYou think wrong, then. Einstein's point was that it is exactly the small things that humans do that build the world, that they matter more than the mass atrocities we all know. That we need to focus on the things we ourselves can do, instead of "the grand scheme of things", to make the world a better place.I have principles. I abide by them. I do not exploit others. I do not tolerate evil. By this way, I try to avoid putting the world in greater peril.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 03:47:58 am
content: Quote from: jh15 on March 05, 2021, 03:15:24 amIf it's possible to place orders and only pay for them when picking up or on delivery, wouldn't that make it all too easy to DoS them by spamming orders without accepting them?

author: salbayeng
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 10:23:03 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on March 05, 2021, 03:47:58 amA large chain pizza franchise would likely have your phone number or email when you ordered and blacklist you. (or sell your details to the mob!)

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 11:42:55 am
content: Quote from: CJay on March 04, 2021, 08:45:02 amItalians can be fussy about their food. When someone buggers their food, changing it, so it no longer suits their taste, they see it as a kind of cultural appropriation!It's all a load of bollocks. Anyone should be able to incorperate other cultural elements into their food, dress, music etc. without being persecuted. If someone likes pineapple pizza, they should be allowed to enjoy it. If someone else doesn't like it, no one is forcing them to eat it!.

author: newbrain
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 01:11:30 pm
content: Quote from: Zero999 on March 05, 2021, 11:42:55 amPlease feel free to enjoy whatever suits you (I know you don't need my or anyone else's permissions!).And in the same way, please allow me to state that:The combination of sweet + slightly acidic taste of the pineapple with the tomato and mozzarella makes it disgusting*.Of course, this is just my opinion:I won't stop anyone from putting pineapple on top of a good pizza and then eating it.I might try to dissuade them though, as I would do if someone came to me with a nice 18 k$ scope, a Dremel and a bunch of RGB LEDs.In both cases I would remain convinced of their bad taste.But it's true, we Italians are quite protective of our food heritage.Put parmigiano on a fish based pasta, and you'll learn some 'interesting' words, at the same time some regional fish recipes use cheese, e.g. Orate alla pugliese (pecorino romano, even stronger than parmigiano).* In general I like mixing sweet, sour and other contrasting tastes. E.g. I'm a fan of Lingua in dolcefforte. (Sweet and strong tongue: ox tongue cooked with dark chocolate and vinegar). I'll try anything that's considered edible, and I like mostly everything.

author: Fred27
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 01:28:34 pm
content: Maybe this thread needs to be moved to the Cooking section of the forum.Also, why is there a cooking section on an electronics forum? That's about as irrelevant and off-topic as you can get.

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 02:31:29 pm
content: Quote from: Fred27 on March 05, 2021, 01:28:34 pmAh, big discussion on the supporters lounge. I didn't follow, but it ended up being created in the...Off-topicboard.

author: Echo88
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 09:19:27 pm
content: "Someone modded a tool i could have used in a way i dont like, that is evil. Here let me add a famous quote to prove me right. Also i developed nanorheometers to measure the specs of the fluid coming out of my tearducts, as i write this."I also dont like the scope-modding, but the butthurtness-scale in this thread is off the charts.

author: MK14
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 10:21:23 pm
content: Quote from: Echo88 on March 05, 2021, 09:19:27 pmThere use to be "Will It Blend", type of youtube videos. He once did the latest (at the time) iPhone, and got a huge number of dislikes/negatives for the video. Presumably by Apple Fan iPhone addicts/lovers, who were horrified at destroying such a thing of beauty (in their eyes).So, taking an $18,000 quality Oscilloscope, which some of us would love to own. Then heavily modifying it, in such a way, that it is somewhat damaged (or perceived to be damaged). Can cause 'butthurt', in some of us.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 05, 2021, 10:29:13 pm
content: Quote from: Echo88 on March 05, 2021, 09:19:27 pmWhy do you lie? I did not write what you paraphrased; that's just what you claim I had meant, so that your irrational hatred would be justified.I wrote this mod does not pass my bullshit filter, so I withdraw from the related publicity event. I even explicitly said that would not hurt Keysight.Then I explained that I was stupefied by the modding project chosen, because it just basically converted the tool to a blinkenlights, while there are many actual mods that would have made it an amazing project, completely unprecedented in this market segment. I lamented that this is typical: "optics" beat usefulness, because people flock to what is popular.Then I described the reasoning why I believe modding a mixed-signal scope to fit even an oddball rare use case would be a killer move, having made a poster about how other modified a commercial atomic force microscope to a nanorheometer used in biophysics, and seeing it really excite scientists, because they love good tools that can be used to get new results. And, how in comparison, how stupid Blinkenlightification is.I never said the mod was evil, just stupid. The only thing I said was evil was Refrigerator – and now, you, Echo88 – since you are ridiculing someone who stands by their principles and follows their own conscience.Perhaps you really need to examine what effect your "tolerant" attitude has in real life. No, it is not a reasonable "middle ground" at all, because reasonable people do not force others, only the irrational crazy people do, and that leads to your "tolerant" attitude actually supporting the irrational crazy people. That's what Einstein was commenting about. That it is the little things that every individual does that matter; the big things are just the emergence of the results of such.This kind of twisting others words to be able to mock the person, instead of expressing a counterargument to the topic at hand, is what gets my goat. There is not much that Ihate, but that one I do. I do believe it isevilin the true sense of the word. I dislike the fact that I have to point it out (and not just in this thread, butin other threads, too). That, and not admitting to making an error, is unacceptable to me, and I will point it out no matter who does it. Most definitely including myself.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 08:49:14 am
content: hmm, this is a good idea if its quiet enough, the only thing I don't like is that it is a frontline instrument and the input voltage is high, it would need special engineering to be safe. Depends on where its used though, fine in a digital lab. Those fans can be really annoying sometimes.Remember the tektronix waterproof oscilloscope with the girl in scuba gear?looks like keysight needs to shit out paper work and leather shoes to keep the stiffs happyreading this thread makes me feel like i am in a OCP board room listening to talks about features on robocop. it needs a neutral color scheme sowe can continue to suck the life out of peopleprevent 'emotions' from effecting productivity . who authorized the use of pink highlighter on this document review???

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 07, 2021, 09:30:26 am
content: I've finally got round to watching the video.Am I the only person who found this funny? Yes, it's a stupid project, especially removing the shielding, but that just adds to the comedy.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 08, 2021, 12:15:53 pm
content: The water cooling is a good idea, stops it ever reaching its calibrated temperature.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 09, 2021, 05:02:34 am
content: if that was at work I would use it because its loud, i don't really care if its calibrated unless they did