Flemish/Dutch for eletronic related job... - Page 1
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author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2015, 05:28:06 pm
content: I have an interview tomorow for a summer student job:http://www.vdpindustries.be/nl/industrieel-onderhoudThey mostly do tailor made electric motors and/or maintenance.Any specific Dutch vocabulary I'd better use/know (and "verdomme" is not one of them)?

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2015, 06:12:42 pm
content: I worked for a while in the Netherlands and the official company language was English.About the only Dutch words I learnt were taxi, koffie, computer and bier

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2015, 06:43:58 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on July 01, 2015, 06:12:42 pmIn that order?

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2015, 07:18:10 pm
content: Quote from: gildasd on July 01, 2015, 06:43:58 pmI'm sure that bier came first, then a taxi, then coffee. It took me a while to discover that Dutch for computer is computer.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2015, 07:38:56 pm
content: In this section there are quite a few terms not borrowed from English.Cosinus phi, vermogen, spanning, stroom, toerental, windingen.It's actually confusing looking at distributors with a Dutch catalog if you do know the English equivalent because all the Manufacturer product pages are EnglishAre you from the spare-France part of Belgium?

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 01, 2015, 08:26:26 pm
content: In the"we don't give crap about linguistics just to spite the rest of Flanders"part, also known as Gent...So if I speak nicely in Dutch, 99% of people will offer to speak in French or English - and that's ruining my learning of Dutch.As for the "Spare France" part of Belgium, they have one crucial endearing factor over most French people: not being French

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 12:18:03 am
content: Quote from: gildasd on July 01, 2015, 05:28:06 pmklote ('balls') en poepgaai (idiot)

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 06:25:01 am
content: Quote from: KJDS on July 01, 2015, 07:18:10 pmAnd there is also the F-word and the S-word. And 'check' also has seemed to enter the regular vocabulary because it is much shorter than the Dutch word. There are actually grammer rules to Dutchify English words so checking becomes checken.

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 07:02:23 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on July 02, 2015, 06:25:01 amYou have rules for grammar in Holland? In Flanders it seems that each village makes up it own - probably by writing letters on cows and giving them Bier and carefully noting the results and then ignoring them...

author: PA0PBZ
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 10:10:30 am
content: Quote from: free_electron on July 02, 2015, 12:18:03 amI never heard that one, it sounds south African but apparently it is Flemish.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 10:27:44 am
content: Quote from: gildasd on July 01, 2015, 08:26:26 pmOnly the south of Belgium is Spare France. The north is Spare Holland.French being french is a behavour that only gives problems south of Paris. The mentality north of Paris till half Nederland is pretty much the same, it only sounds different.I don't know your taste or style, but if you're staying close to Nazareth, a good tip can be visiting this company:http://www.dirkcousaert.be/

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 05:46:00 pm
content: Quote from: Galenbo on July 02, 2015, 10:27:44 amOooh nice... I'll look into that. Planning to renovate the whole house. This includes counter-tops in waxed concrete.As for the French, I beg to differ. The only Belgian that are half as arrogant as the Parisians are those from Antwerp.Living in Gent compared to Paris is a year long holiday.And as for the job, they told me I'm 99% approved. Pray for me Argentina.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 06:02:09 pm
content: We will pay for you to get some clogs then, so you will have something to wear when you settle down. I can send you some corks to plug the dyke though.....

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 06:23:55 pm
content: Travelling in Europe, I dated a dutch girl for a while. Learned a few words and phrases...I always liked the dutch word lekker. No real english equivalent.Is het lekker? Ja, heel lekker.Not sure that would help in a engineering job interview though....

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 06:26:59 pm
content: Means the same in South Africa, and the closest in English is Very Nice. Context sensitive though.

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 06:33:39 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on July 02, 2015, 06:02:09 pmThe only dykes we have in Gent would beat me to pulp if I tried doing any funny business with corks...

author: CrashO
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 02, 2015, 06:57:53 pm
content: Quote from: mtdoc on July 02, 2015, 06:23:55 pmI still enjoylearning( watching them suffocating in their own tongue whilst they try)foreigners Dutch words with the R and G sounds whenever I come across one at Uni.Some fav's:Raar (strange) pronounced with some extra rolling of the tongue like this guy (anyone care to try)And Geweldig (awesome)

author: gildasd
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timestamp: July 03, 2015, 01:27:44 pm
content: Got the job!Expect me to be a lifelong expert on 3 phase motors in about a week.

author: KedasProbe
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timestamp: July 03, 2015, 02:17:31 pm
content: If you don't understand something you say:Wuk?Outside west-vlaanderen do it on your own risk.http://www.west-vlaanderen.be/overwvl/beleid_bestuur/iedereenwestvlaams/Paginas/besteljestickers.aspx

author: jancumps
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 03, 2015, 02:18:24 pm
content: 'Paljaske'

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2015, 06:17:06 am
content: Quote from: gildasd on July 02, 2015, 05:46:00 pmStereotypes say people from antwerp are arrogant, gent are artists and lazy, bruges is for old men, west-vlaanderen are catholic hard workers, limburg are slow...Brussels agglomeration where I am, I don't know. Could be a combination of all statements above.

author: con-f-use
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timestamp: July 07, 2015, 07:03:55 am
content: I've always been put off by "lekker". Lecker in German means "smakelijk" (tasty) and is only used for food, which is weird when you hear your girlfriend being refered to as "lekker". That's about the only time, when I as a German speaker didn't perceive Dutch as very cute and friendly-sounding version of German.

author: free_electron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2015, 03:58:35 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on July 07, 2015, 07:03:55 amthat is a dutch word , not a 'flemish' ( belgian variant of dutch language ) word.you would refer to your girlfriend ( depending of where you live ) asvriendinne , lief , skeetebeeze or many another word

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 07, 2015, 05:12:00 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on July 07, 2015, 03:58:35 pmI confirm, "leeker"is for ice creams, not women, here in Oost Vlaanderen.But hey, I live in Gent, could be a different story one village over.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2015, 05:40:13 am
content: "lekker" is something that tastes nice, looks nice, feels nice, fits nice (in clothing "zit lekker"). That can include but is not limited to, your ice cream, your girlfriend, your couch or pants.Something does not sound "lekker" for some reason. "lekker" is a very versatile word.But you were hired, did you learn any new words yet?

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2015, 09:27:59 am
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on July 08, 2015, 05:40:13 amThe Dutch word 'lekker' can also be used in a sarcastic setting in which it isn't positive. And lekker can definitely be used for music as well. 'Lekker muziekje'.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2015, 02:40:09 pm
content: Quote from: free_electron on July 07, 2015, 03:58:35 pmIt is a flemish word in the area where I live, but the use in non-food meanings comes from nederland.

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 08, 2015, 05:50:53 pm
content: 1st day on the job!The engines are bigger than "normal". So I get to use comically large copies of common toolsLots of usage of heat to mount or dismount parts, especially bearings.Firstly I took apart a AC asynchronous motor, pretty normal, from the early 60's: the client had set a max work time of 4 hours, it needs at least 7, so it's going to get recycled (the part that holds the bearing on the shaft side is out of true thus needs a new race). The UVW/XYZ was also reversed.The second one comes from a refinery in a tropical place (no idea where), and was build in 1941, rebuilt in 1954, revised in 1983 and now in 2015 and still has 20 or 30 years life in it - electric motors last long!This model, in constant use in a tropical place, only needs it's grease replenished every tens years. And that's it. No other maintenance.Got to use my hobbyist soldering abilities to repair broken heat sensor wire in a weird place that people were trying to get anybody else to do.Pretty cool on the whole,

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2015, 05:10:20 pm
content: How about this one 1930 and still going strong!The only worn piece is the ventilator rotor, that will be changed in 20 or 30 years.Damage is limited to some superficial scrapes on the shaft where some dufus probably forgot the clavette during an Allied bombing raid (made the last part up).With a bit of maintenance these thing a near damn eternal!

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2015, 06:20:33 pm
content: That is the first ( or only) version of that motor they made? New bearings and brushes and it will run for another century with no problems again.

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2015, 06:47:45 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on July 09, 2015, 06:20:33 pmACEC was very big from early 1900's to the late 70's.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ateliers_de_Constructions_Electriques_de_CharleroiIt's very well made with clean simple parts, uses more welding that modern stuff and is quite efficient once started. Even the brush carriers look new after a bit of sand blasting.We corrected some "meh" electrical bolting that was probably done in the 70's - but it would have ran the same if we had left it as is.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2015, 07:37:17 pm
content: Does your company repair commutators of damaged DC drive motors?It still runs, with shocks, parts have to be welded/replaced, they are burned in.

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 09, 2015, 07:57:40 pm
content: I'm pretty sure they do.Coil damage on the stator is the worst failure on motors, commutators are refaced, repaired or changed (but I can't tell you more, I've yet to work in that part of the factory).That part looks ok? Do you have a picture of your damaged motor?If urgent, try to get it in now, August is crazy apparently.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2015, 05:48:28 am
content: In summer you're understaffed due to holidays.I used to repair those commutators once is a while. Cut off uneven material in a lathe, re-cut the grooves (the one showns still has sharp rectangular grooves, so not re-cut yet) and high voltage test the rotor. Takes some time, and you'll need to be careful with the cutting tool, 1 slip and you're going again.

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 10, 2015, 01:13:42 pm
content: Galenbo, I've PM'd you...I don't know if the info is client/company privileged...

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 12, 2015, 07:38:56 pm
content: Clarifying a work doc, i'm not 100% sure of these:"uitlopers"?"Poolschoen"?"Herisoleren"

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2015, 08:32:33 am
content: Quote from: gildasd on July 12, 2015, 07:38:56 pmDefinitely not my expertise and I am dutch but trying to help:"uitlopers" no idea, in which context is it used (sentence)?"Poolschoen" see picture, says more than a lot of words"Herisoleren" means to re-isolate, so remove the old isolation and replace with brandnew isolation or perhaps enforce the existing isolation.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2015, 10:33:50 am
content: Uitlopers, de draden dieuitde statorlopen.Or is this too much dutch?

author: gildasd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 13, 2015, 04:28:33 pm
content: Quote from: Jeroen3 on July 13, 2015, 10:33:50 amIt's the cables that lead out and in my case, specifically the connector on the ends.THanks!