Microsoft srewed up hotmail - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: The Soulman
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 09:58:56 am
content: Just while I was checking my Hotmail I noticed Microsoft has changed a perfectly fine gui to the most ugly one ever!Hope they make a way to return the previous one, pretty mad now.And yes I use w7 not w10 and I have a dislike for touchscreens.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 10:01:34 am
content: hotmail was dead to me 12 years ago.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 10:13:37 am
content: Why were you still usinghotmaillive mailoutlook.com?I moved to google mail a long time ago.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 12:12:04 pm
content: Wasn't hotmail shut down years ago? I had a junk mail account there and it stopped working for some reason I no longer remember. Maybe because they made having a microsoft account mandatory or something. Not a problem, microsoft products are no longer worth the price to me.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 12:52:13 pm
content: If you are still using Hotmail, something is screwed up for sure.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 01:00:53 pm
content: Hotmail still exists?I gave up on it when the spam reached 100 a day, a long long time ago now. Gmail bought that figure down to zero.

author: bitslice
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 01:41:15 pm
content: Microsoft also managed to screw up its calculator under Win10How does a 32Kb app now take two seconds to load even though they've gutted half its functionality?

author: setq
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 01:48:17 pm
content: If you think Outlook.com UI is bad, you want to use the Office 365 one for a couple of weeks. So many bugs and its unusable on a mobile device.

author: StillTrying
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 03:56:50 pm
content: Is there anything that M$ haven't screwed up?

author: setq
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 04:02:50 pm
content: Not that I'm aware of

author: The Soulman
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 04:58:55 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 23, 2016, 01:00:53 pmI have maybe a couple a week that appear nicely in the spam box, nothing in my inbox, so no complaints there.Quote from: setq on August 23, 2016, 01:48:17 pmStill stuck at office 2007, taken a look at 360 when that came out but decided to stick with 2007, so 365 isn't much better huh?

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 05:02:34 pm
content: *DEBATE TRIGGER WARNING*Not as bad as Crapple. Microsoft has made fun of the wormy Apple in their commercials.I'm suprised they still work on Hotmail.Do you also use AOL?

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 05:47:24 pm
content: Calculator on my Windows 10 opens instantly, same as it has in previous versions. My laptop has a dedicate button for it, on my desktop I have the icon pinned to the task bar.I am considering ditching my gmail because it is becoming increasingly poorer and poorer. Performancee even with a 150GB cable connection can be agonizingly slow - using Chrome as the browser! On my iPhone, it constantly locks up the native Mail app (my work Office 365 account - never). On my iPad, the GMail app has the same performance issues. And more and more I find legitimate emails I have received for many many years (mainly newsgroups and similar) are half the time ending up in my spam folder despite repeatedly tagging them as not spam.And thanks so much Google for now dropping Chrome apps unless you are actually using ChromeOS.

author: stj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 05:58:24 pm
content: people shouldnt use gmail, they scan your attachements and block ones they dont personally like.zip an exe and send it to another gmail account to prove the point.go open a freemail account with yandex.com instead.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 06:48:42 pm
content: I think I still have that in my password manager, wonder if it still works......... Don't think I have logged in to it for about 3 years though.I did use a free russian webmail server for a while, easy to spot the spam there, just from the language change.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 07:30:59 pm
content: Quote from: stj on August 23, 2016, 05:58:24 pmAny properly configured mail server will refuse recognizeable executables. And since zip files are simple containers, this poses no additional penalty. Some servers even block unknown attachments from unsigned sources. Most if not all ransomware infections are due to poor mail clients not filtering links and attachments for .jpg.exe or .pdf.exe. Users are idiots, you cannot rely on the user to protect themselves.This is mainly outlook's fault for allowing HTML to be embedded in mail. Use RTF people!Also. When the service is free, you're the product. If you're that worried, get a domain and rent a server.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 07:42:09 pm
content: Yeahhhh can't say I'm a huge fan of Hotmail. Although I still use ICQ from time to time. I still have my very first 7-digit UIN (I *just* missed out on a 6-digit one).Quote from: rrinker on August 23, 2016, 05:47:24 pmI can't say I've noticed performance issues in Gmail, ever. Then again I've turned off most of the fancy pants features and just use a fairly basic UI. As for Chrome, it leaves little to be desired. Chrome is my third choice of browser if all else fails (first two being IE and Firefox). Even Google Earth is not supported by Chrome, it suggests using IE or Firefox (see screenshot).

author: Macbeth
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 07:49:43 pm
content: I must be a glutton for punishment, I run my own mail server (postfix, dovecot, amavis, spamassassin, clamav). I think I should add razor and pyzor as I'm still getting a good spamming.

author: Jeroen3
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 07:53:11 pm
content: Google now also has Inbox. Which is a nice app to do mails. It lets you snooze mails and provides a clean ui.https://www.google.com/inbox/?hl=nlIt's a bit like "Mailbox" that Dropbox took over and discontinued.Are you over yet? ?

author: MadTux
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 08:17:03 pm
content: Just use Thunderbird instead of crappy hotmail WebGUI.

author: Jwalling
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 08:19:13 pm
content: Quote from: StillTrying on August 23, 2016, 03:56:50 pmMS-DOS was pretty good.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 08:33:07 pm
content: Quote from: Jwalling on August 23, 2016, 08:19:13 pmYeah, but theystolebought that.

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 08:35:05 pm
content: Quote from: stj on August 23, 2016, 05:58:24 pmAnd send your documents to Putin's secret service for free. You could have chosen at least some western freemail instead of YandexThe .exe blocking inside of zipfiles is an old trick to prevent spreading of malware which was commonly sent like this to foil virus scanners. If you want to send a legit exe file to someone, simply rename it with a different extension and tell the recipient to rename it back.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 08:53:45 pm
content: Quote from: janoc on August 23, 2016, 08:35:05 pmDoesn't work with Gmail. It looks at the actual file headers. It also rejects encrypted or password protected ZIP files. It can be a pain in the ass, but there are other ways to share files.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 09:35:00 pm
content: Quote from: bitslice on August 23, 2016, 01:41:15 pmI just tried an unscientific test - the Calculator app on my Surface Book loads in about 1/2 second. Basically a blink of an eye! Something else is wrong. Got any horsepower? Mine is a 2.6 GHz Dual Core I7.Something else I noticed: After installing the new 'bash' feature, I can assemble 2000 lines of code as fast as I can get my finger off the Enter key. I haven't done any C programs of substance but Hello World is also compiled and linked in a flash.

author: stj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 09:50:03 pm
content: Quote from: janoc on August 23, 2016, 08:35:05 pmbetter the FSB waste time reading my mail than the NSA, who then hand it to Israel and lot's of other afiliated "terrorist" organisations.the russians wont give a damn about me, they are only interested in russian citizens - just like the chinese government watches chinese citizens and the u.k. government watches u.k. citizens etc.why?because governments have become the enemy - any they see us the same way - they fear us.one day your email may lead to your door getting kicked in at 5am.that's made far more likely if you use your own country's email systems.

author: stj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 09:54:29 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on August 23, 2016, 08:53:45 pmi dont think they just read headers, i think they checksum the files and compare the hash to a database.i know they will bruteforce encrypted zip & rar files like they just opened a regular zip.bastards.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 10:40:18 pm
content: Quote from: stj on August 23, 2016, 09:54:29 pmChecksumming would be useless. Google doesn't have a database of my files or their checksums so there is nothing to compare attachments to. A checksum alone tells you nothing about the type of file or the contents of a file. It just provides a way to see if a file has been modified. It's also possible to have two totally different files with identical checksums.They also don't brute force encryption. It just detects that the archive is locked or encrypted and rejects it without any further scanning. Google or Gmail doesn't have access to the contents of encrypted archives (even if Google has found a way to brute force AES-256 encryption in a timely manner, they would be only ones in the world to have done so.)There's a difference between 'knowing' and 'guessing'.

author: botcrusher
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 11:21:16 pm
content: Quote from: rrinker on August 23, 2016, 05:47:24 pmYou realize the data cap on your package is independent to the speed of your connection?How many cookies you can eat doesn't really affect the speed at which you can shove them down.Unless you use dialup, then you'll never hit 150GB....

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2016, 01:07:58 am
content: There is no data cap on my cable modem.Yes - no data cap. There's a usage bar on my account along with the text that says "usage caps are currently suspended" This is the way it ought to be, as it does not cost the ISP any more if you leave the line idle 90% or the time or keep it utilized 90% of the time. OK maybe a tiny bit more in electricity usage for a router that is active vs one not processing many packets. Amazingly, this is Comcast - the one everyone loves to hate. I've had zero issues with messed up billing or lack of service in nearly 10 years I've been living in their service area.I realize few if any sites can actually feed data that fast (a torrent with LOTS of seeders perhaps) but by having a fast connection at my end means it's certainly no bottleneck to Google's GMail servers. I also don't worry about storing various server and app server ISOs on my machine, because a 4Gb DVD of SQL Server 2014 I can download in a couple of minutes.As for Calculator speed - my laptop is a first gen I5 - so OLD and slow - less than 2GHz. Still launches immediately. This desktop I'm on, uses an E3-1350v2 Xeon, so a few steps behind the times, at 3.3GHz peak turbo. If I click the Calc icon it loads before I can move my mouse to the area, so I really don't know what the deal is with this supposed slow loading. Doesn't matter which mode I set it to, standard, scientific, or programmer, all launch approximately the same.

author: rstofer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2016, 03:00:06 am
content: Quote from: rrinker on August 24, 2016, 01:07:58 amOne reason my Surface Book loads so fast is the solid state drive. That makes a HUGE difference over slow spinning hard drives.

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2016, 04:49:15 am
content: Quote from: Macbeth on August 23, 2016, 07:49:43 pmGrey listing cut our inbound spam by over 90% instantly. Downsides is there are still plenty of broken mail servers that don't retry correctly, so I have a small whitelist of those.

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2016, 06:35:05 am
content: Quote from: stj on August 23, 2016, 09:50:03 pm100% with you on this one, but don't tell anyone lets keep it a secret

author: janoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2016, 12:34:57 pm
content: Quote from: MasterTech on August 24, 2016, 06:35:05 am

author: bitslice
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2016, 12:51:59 pm
content: Quote from: rstofer on August 23, 2016, 09:35:00 pmIt's a known issue apparently, there is a fix to reinstall the old win7 calc onto win10, not as simple as a copy exe though.E8400@3Ghz, it opens a blue background, then a delay, then opens the calc.It's really annoying to not have simple things happen instantly

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2016, 07:53:04 pm
content: Quote from: janoc on August 23, 2016, 08:35:05 pmSo Obama/Hillary's NSA make a free backup of your emails?My behavour, preferences and ideas are more likely to get punished by those western dictatators than by Putin.