New Der EE LCR+DMM - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 07:50:11 pm
content: Der EE just released a new meter DE,-5003/5004. It's a solid mid range DMM with decent safety specs but also has a built in real LCR (selectable frequencies up to 10kHz, can read ESR, phase angle, 0.5V test voltage, etc). Neither part are ground breaking specs wise but it's nice to see an all-in-one that isn't entirely a freaking toy. The LCR specs should be good enough for most hobbyists, not for pros though. I wonder what you guys think about it.http://www.deree.com.tw/prod141001162828.htmMy biggest wonder will be price. Will it be cheaper than buying a solid meter and a DE-5000(which as we all know is damn good) separately.

author: DAIRVINE
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 07:56:26 pm
content: If this is really cat 111 to 600V for LCR that is really good. It would be helpful to have an LCR that could withstand accidents with charged capacitors.

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 07:58:53 pm
content: Just saw on another forum, the slated price is $150 or less. Which actually seems like a smart price point based on the features and specs. It's about a $120 meter with about a $50 LCR. So together it's pretty reasonable. A good price point I think for hobbyists with a bit of savings.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 08:08:40 pm
content: Who distributes these units? The DER website does not have prices.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 08:35:01 pm
content: If it sells for less than $120, then it will quickly become the most recommended meter for those looking for something close to $100 as their first meter for electronics.

author: wiss
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 08:53:52 pm
content: Hummm, I want one!

author: jimon
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 09:36:38 pm
content: Just got DE-5000 a week ago, go figure

author: PedroDaGr8
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 13, 2015, 09:42:16 pm
content: Quote from: jimon on March 13, 2015, 09:36:38 pmRelax, the DE-5000 is a much better LCR. This one though is a capable one for hobbyists, just not nearly as nice as the DE-5000.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 14, 2015, 01:02:07 am
content: It's not that new. It has been on my spreadsheet list for quite a while.Supposedly 6,000 count, but it shows 5 digits on the display (4 1/2 really).

author: dadler
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: March 15, 2015, 10:06:08 pm
content: Quote from: jimon on March 13, 2015, 09:36:38 pmDE-5000 goes to 100kHz

author: pcbroute
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2016, 07:01:11 pm
content: Hi all. Got DE-5004 a few months ago...i think is really good.some photos.

author: pcbroute
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2016, 07:04:06 pm
content: with another LCR...

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 20, 2016, 09:27:17 pm
content: Thanks for the images. This looks like a well built and it might actually meet its CAT ratings. Like I said before, this looks like the perfect meter for electronics.

author: omgfire
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2016, 06:03:30 am
content: ES51930?pcbroute, do you think you could shoot other pcb side, switch and instruction manual?

author: WackyGerman
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2016, 07:35:54 am
content: On the first glance it really looks nice and tidy . But I don t like the design at all . Why did they put the 10 A at the middle right and the small one at the bottom and not the other way roundSo the COM trace on the board for the 10 A range is very long and the shunt is straight over the control circuits of the multimeter . Then I don t like the cheap trimmer pots on the board . It seems that they trimmed the multimeter into the specifications . The fuses are the right choice sofor the fuses . The design is not that good sofor the design . the idea to combine a multimeter with a lcr meter is a good idea. But unfortunaltely this meter is too much built down to the price

author: omgfire
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2016, 08:54:16 am
content: Quote from: WackyGerman on October 21, 2016, 07:35:54 amGossen MetraHit 30Mhas trimmers. Is it also "too much built down to the price"?

author: pcbroute
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2016, 09:50:47 am
content: Quote from: omgfire on October 21, 2016, 06:03:30 amES51930 looks very similar.Sorry, i don't shoot other side, may be a later if i broken it)Here is a user manual, i scan it and make PDF file.DEREE-DE5004.pdf

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2016, 11:48:36 am
content: thinking of buying one sooner or later... already have a deree de5000 but this small meter is cute...

author: omgfire
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2016, 12:21:18 pm
content: Peakmeter PM8246 looks inferior, but with same concept. I wonder how much cheaper it would be.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 24, 2016, 01:11:15 pm
content: the input of the de5004 seems protected to 600v ?on the pcb there are some big resistors, fuses, mov and the input is the same for volt and lcr.on the peak8246 on the contrary there is a separate input for the lcr, there is not far to say that this input is not protected at all ...

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 15, 2016, 07:46:02 pm
content: just received a deree de5004 today, first impression is : really not as good as the deree de 5000 !!!!can be used as an esr meter, will have to check that better but it seems ok for that use.definitely not an lcr meter.

author: rjardina
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 11:26:30 pm
content: Quote from: pcbroute on October 24, 2016, 09:50:47 am

author: rjardina
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 11:45:37 pm
content: I'm probably one of the last people that needs to review this meter, due to my lack of knowledge of using a LCR meter or even really knowing how to use one. That is why I bought this one and the 5000 to learn some more. The Auto on the LCR frequency part is very erratic and never get the same results.

author: 1937
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 02, 2017, 05:47:47 pm
content: For those guys who are interested what is under the display. There is TI MSP430F4371. The same bracket as in some LCR tweezers like AKIP-6107.Has anyone tried to activate an IR optical link with the PC? The 75 leg of MSP430F4371 gives no signs of life.Not found a complete datasheet with schematic for ES51930.May be someone knows, what is purpose of the missing components on DE-5004 board?Think that the resistors RC13, RC14 and op. amp. U3 are responsible for contactless electric field measurement.It would be cool if DER EE implemented all functions.

author: shteii01
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2017, 01:52:20 am
content: If I recall correctly, DMM version does not do pF. That is why I got DE-5000 LCR Meter.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2017, 10:28:15 am
content: Quote

author: 1937
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2017, 07:03:20 pm
content: Quote from: shteii01 on March 03, 2017, 01:52:20 amIf you want to do right LCR measurements by this meter, use this thing.I have compared readings from this device without wirings and readings from LCR meter based on ES51919 with kelvin probes and got very good results.

author: shteii01
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 03, 2017, 10:47:27 pm
content: That Nagant looks familiar. Are you Gunboards.com member?Quote from: 1937 on March 03, 2017, 07:03:20 pm

author: AndersAnd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2021, 05:35:19 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on March 03, 2017, 10:28:15 amActually DER EE DE-5003 and DE-5004 only goes down to 3.0pF with a resolution of 0.1pF (±2.0%+20) and down to 0.3µH with an resolution of 0.1µH (±3.0%+20) according to specifications:https://www.deree.com.tw/de-5004-digital-multimeter-lcr.html#specification_tab

author: AndersAnd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2021, 05:47:10 am
content: Does anybody know where to buy DER EE DE-5004? I can't find it for sale online at eBay or elsewhere.Has it been discontinued?

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 10, 2021, 06:11:56 am
content: may be you can ask directly the manufacturerhttps://www.deree.com.tw/index.php?kw=5004&lang=en&modelid=1&c=content&a=search

author: AndersAnd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2021, 11:53:21 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on June 10, 2021, 06:11:56 amThanks, but I have tried to contact them both via their online contact form and via email, but they don't reply.The only reply I got was an auto reply right after I filled out the online forum, which said "Dear...., We will respond to your inquiry as soon as possible".But since then I have heard nothing and it has been two weeks now. So I also tried to send them an email to deree@deree.com.tw, but they do not reply to that either, not even an auto reply.Completely useless customer support.

author: AVGresponding
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 22, 2021, 12:20:34 pm
content: Quote from: AndersAnd on June 10, 2021, 05:47:10 amTry these:https://www.jredfox.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=902009https://www.taiwantrade.com/product/de-5004-digital-multimeter-lcr-1347664.html(NAWTS)It does seem to be out of stock at a few vendors, the DER EE site doesn't mention if it's discontinued

author: AndersAnd
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2021, 10:38:04 pm
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