Microsoft Pluton Processor inside any AMD/Intel/Qualcom processors from 2022 - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 05:55:22 am
content: Did any of you knew about this?Microsoft convinced PC processor designers to embed a Microsoft Security Processor core, Pluton, inside the hardware of any normal processor. Agreed in 2020, first models of AMD Ryzen 6000 laptops ready in 2022. Updates for Pluton core through Windows Update only. Part of the Microsoft chip-to-cloud, though Windows or not, Microsoft will control any processor.https://www.howtogeek.com/779095/what-is-microsofts-pluton-security-processor/

author: Zoli
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 06:10:44 am
content: Well, the first reports:https://www.semiaccurate.com/2022/01/18/amds-new-cpus-may-be-safe-to-deploy/NOT linked in the previous article; nonetheless, the problem raised in both is serious; personally, I will NOT boy a CPU with Puton.

author: hans
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 08:26:18 am
content: Oh.. this sounds awfully familiar with the Apple Studio device not accepting "SSD" upgrades. Obv they also added a SSD controller inside the M1 chip, but if the (filesystem) encryption keys are stored *inside* the CPU package, then you'll almost likely need a software vulnerability to get them out. It depends if there a possibility to do so. I suppose the keys won't be system exposed, but you can only list, create and delete keys.Sounds like a recipe for disaster for anyone doing data recovery, wants to swap out SSDs with other machines.. all the reasons why you wouldn't use disk encryption tied to a systems keys. And knowing Microsoft, I sincerely hope they play nice with OSS and help them with proper implementations for it.In terms of BIOS I'm not sure how useful this is, because that's part of the chipset. If the remaining vulnerability is sniffing traces on the PCB, then I imagine that's a very limited attack vector that no one should be concerned about. So if TPM protects the BIOS firmware/rootkits, then that should be fine right?

author: PKTKS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 08:38:24 am
content: Frankly .. what does anyone expect from them? This is not newTheir business has always been using the filthiest methods available always imploding better products to force theirsClaiming property of the hardware and forcing whatever to suit their greed no matter consequencesThis is by no means new.. these assholes started this slightly different method to ensure 100% property of the PC.. the same time they love *NIX..TIME TO SAY NO MORE IN LOUD AND CLEAR VISIBLE SOUND..just ditch them in proper placePaul

author: VK3DRB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 10:40:37 am
content: I don't like where this is heading. Remember that Gates character and his monopolistic pursuits with Internet Explorer. Eventually, some CPU variants might only allow you to run the Microsoft O/S and not Linux. Or to run Windows, you must purchase a particular CPU variant - at a premium cost of course.

author: PKTKS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 10:52:34 am
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on May 28, 2022, 10:40:37 amDo not expect nothing new.Their agenda is the very same agenda of always.They will keep force pushing their bundles inside vendors..(which by no means disclose what sort of agreement reached by threats)This time is a hardware push... consumers will be obliged to pay and use their "processors"..by the fallacy of security and others..Eventually they claim property of the x86 PC..and not exclusively x86.. they have an ARM agenda called Volterrahttps://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/05/microsoft-will-boost-windows-on-arm-with-a-new-dev-kit-and-arm-native-visual-studio/Paul

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 05:35:22 pm
content: Sounds nice.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 07:37:51 pm
content: Quote from: VK3DRB on May 28, 2022, 10:40:37 am

author: Benta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 08:26:10 pm
content: Why are you all getting het up?You made your choice yourself by choosing M$ Windows.I switched to Linux/Lubuntu three years ago and never looked back.TPM? Pfft.Pluton? Pfft.Problem solved.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 08:29:14 pm
content: Quote from: evb149 on May 28, 2022, 07:31:46 amI thought the name was appropriate because Pluto is a dog.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 28, 2022, 08:55:56 pm
content: QuoteMost of the time that won't be necessary especially when people are fooled into giving them their passwords and bank details over the phone.https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/01/pluton-microsofts-new-security-chip-will-finally-be-put-to-the-test/QuoteSounds like DRM to me.Just NO!I don't want it.I would want efi/bios options to disable that crap and if not I'll look at buying computers and processor before 2022 or whatever I can without it for a while where I'll have to look at other alternatives many years later.I don't want that to DICTATE to me what I can and can't do with stuff in my possession via remote control to Microsoft anymore than what I have now.Just found this:https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/20/microsoft_amd_pluton_lenovo/QuoteWell that's nice to know... not as bad as I thought.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 29, 2022, 12:54:57 am
content: It doesn'tseem that bad, at least on AMD.QuoteWith a gated clock it's going to do bugger all, that's as turned off as turned off gets.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 29, 2022, 08:09:09 am
content: Will you still be able to dual-boot Windows and Linux?Will you still be able toeasilydual-boot Windows and Linux without having to change BIOS/UEFI/etc settings?Will you still be able to run Windows guest inside a Linux host VM?

author: PKTKS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 29, 2022, 08:14:55 am
content: We will be forced to PAY the chip and the bundles... and if if if.. things will actually work with that crap insideEssentially a NEW MS FEEPaul