Bushing gets sued by Sony? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 03:24:21 am
content: Is this the same "Bushing" of Rigol fame and member here?http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/01/11/hector-martin-winner-of-the-xbox-kinect-bounty-is-being-sued-by-sony/Dave.

author: Myrmidon
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 04:44:31 pm
content: Yep it is, I believe they are going after the whole team.

author: Chasm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 05:51:06 pm
content: So take a look at their presentation from the 27C3 while it is still online.The two RFID presentations from 27C3 are also very educating.Everyonewho lives in a nation that uses Chip and Pin for their ATM and store payment systems should look at the so named talk. It may save you a lot of money if someone misuses your card and you have to go against your bank. I can't stress this enough. Hint: The entering of a pin has been circumvented through a protocol snafu for all but the most sophisticated terminals (usually ATM level), all you now need is the card and $20 worth of equipment. No joke. (No glossywhite, I won't say the A word.).All those talks are very educating should bemandatoryfor everyone that does or maybe will have to implement any kind of trusted system. But especially for decision makers...Btw: The above "breaks" are nothing but the exposure offailedprotocol implementations.If you do not implement a protocol right it will not work as expected.

author: Myrmidon
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 06:40:36 pm
content: I saw the chip and pin one, slightly alarming stuff.Gonna check out the RFID ones.

author: glossywhite
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 07:13:21 pm
content: Fuck Sony, and Fuck the corporate mongs in general. Since when did Sony suddenly adopt a sense of morality, when they're well know for having planted TROJANS in people's audio CDs? You cannot cherry-pick the moral parts of life when it suits you!How is reverse-engineering even immoral? Law is based upon fat fuck profiteers, rarely morality. Reverse engineering is fun and a challenge - and even IF the guy was causing harm to anyone (not really too likely, hmm?) then that is for God to judge, not Phony.Seriously, I cannot say FUCK them and FUCK their hypocrisy, enough!

author: Chasm
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 07:30:38 pm
content: Quote from: Myrmidon on January 12, 2011, 06:40:36 pmThey publicly "broke" the easyCard Payment system used in Taiwan and other parts of Asia. Mostly for public transport, but recently also for most stores. Btw. local universities have warned about this very problem for years but nobody listened.They "broke" a ID system that if you follow the talk is so stupid that nobody should have used it, ever. But that is 20/20 hindsight, IRL the Dutch Army for no apparent reasons posted guards at various installationsveryshortly after the talk. (This was mention in the closing ceremony of the 27c3.)The GSM talks go very much into same direction.Say, look the "Baseband apocalypse" talk, especially the look-out at the end. Then think /very/ hard about it and the problems a particular type of car had. Scary does not even begin to come close.If you are technical minded and a bit into this kind of stuff look at the various talks a from conferences like the 3C, blackhat, defcon and so on that are on the internet. If a talk is not interesting you can easily skip.I have learned a lot of stuff this way.Really, in my opinion the correct implementation of protocols which have been hardened against abuse iseverythingtoday.Nothing else matters as much.

author: Zad
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 07:46:12 pm
content: I hope the Electronic Frontier Foundation people can give them some assistance. I think this decade is going to be one where governments will be forced to change their attitudes to what freedom of information actually is. They won't like it, and they will fight tooth and nail, but it is coming as sure as eggs is eggs.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 07:51:58 pm
content: people get caught yet another generation arise, they wont be able to stop this. only the poor man is the one who misuse the technology.

author: David
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 08:11:19 pm
content: I can't help but think the engineers that designed the security system in the first place probably have quite a bit of respect for the guy. Just the mor*ns "higher-up" that are embarrassed and wanting more money.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2011, 08:35:38 pm
content: Quote from: David on January 12, 2011, 08:11:19 pmthey want more money, yet they give very little to engineers to do their stuffs. designing bulletproof system is not simple and consumes time. you have to think backward, and think like a hacker themselves (merry go round design) which the management wont tolerate, i think. thats why they and their politics are sux! is this a nonsensical post?

author: bushing
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 06:52:36 am
content: Yeah, this wasn't much fun...

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 07:09:04 am
content: Quote from: bushing on May 17, 2011, 06:52:36 amtell us a story!

author: sacherjj
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 01:01:16 pm
content: Who the hell isn't Sony suing these days. Can't wait for the class action over their huge security screw up and loss of 70+ million peoples worth of data on Playstation Network.This brought to you by the folks that installed spyware with their audio cds. Bunch of wankers.

author: Sionyn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 01:28:25 pm
content: that and team over flowthe system was secure but as you guys guessed it was morons higher up buggered itin short the whole system was compromised due to the use a of a non random numberi am sure ive posted it here before

author: Bored@Work
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 05:20:03 pm
content: The irony is Sony Ericsson (Sony owns 50% of that outfit) is now trying to attract people to hack the kernel of some of their Android phones. Of course not all Sony Ericsson Android phones, some are verboten.I think it is predictable what will happen, even on the phones where people are now officially allowed to hack by the grace of Sony Ericsson. The shit will again hit the fan the moment someone touches Sony's DRM system.

author: Sionyn
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 06:42:14 pm
content: yep probably trying to scare people who want control of their own hardware.Nintendo have a different solution,use unauthorised devices and/or modify hardware/softwareand they with criminal permanently brick your device.and i thought this was all sorted out with iphone fiascoImagen a farmer killing the cow you bought off him because you decided to eat it rather milk itbought hardware is your hardware not sony property though it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled the same trick satellite tv providers do with settop boxes

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 17, 2011, 10:06:27 pm
content: Quote from: Sionyn on May 17, 2011, 06:42:14 pmSome people could have a field day with this one... buy unit(s), invoke consumer protection law to get a refund after their unit stops working. Repeat.Having the unit auto-connect to wifi and brick itself, as I understand is what the 3DS can do, may also be illegal in the UK under Computer Misuse act - unauthorised alteration of data on a computer system.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2011, 04:45:34 pm
content: If they want to do this kind of thing, they should start selling people permanent leases rather than the devices outright. That way people would also have to return their equipment at the end of its life for recycling so it should benefit the environment too. Of course this should all be explained to the customer before they buy it.