Guess Dave's Age - Page 1
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author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 02:36:48 am
content: He's 3 years older than I am.That's my estimate.He's 44

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 02:44:12 am
content: He is 2-3 years younger than I am.He's 48

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 02:46:18 am
content: I'll give it a 34 years old guess. A mere puppy.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 03:14:21 am
content: He looks 33 so real age is 43.

author: djacobow
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 03:15:12 am
content: My guess is 42.

author: onlooker
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 03:20:04 am
content: One can try microsoft's "Guess Your Age" (http://how-old.net/#). Then, you want a nice photo from any of the videos.

author: ccs46
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 03:26:16 am
content: 36

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 03:27:17 am
content: Quote from: onlooker on August 29, 2015, 03:20:04 amThat's neat. And then there is Hot or Not. ;-)

author: Towger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 03:29:40 am
content: He once said 1973 was a good vintage. So 42.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 03:32:53 am
content: Quote from: Towger on August 29, 2015, 03:29:40 amDing ding ding, 42 the ultimate answer to everything.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 03:36:11 am
content: Quote from: Towger on August 29, 2015, 03:29:40 amI think he was slightly older than this based on the Back To The Future movie release and some other clues.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 05:59:08 am
content: Well, my son thinks anyone over 18 is ancient, and he calls me coffin dodger, so I say about 42 but then can anyone see any surgical marks behind the ears ?

author: German_EE
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 08:57:34 am
content: 331/3

author: Towger
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 09:02:29 am
content: Quote from: German_EE on August 29, 2015, 08:57:34 amLong play record?

author: Aodhan145
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 09:10:26 am
content: Quote from: onlooker on August 29, 2015, 03:20:04 amTo get a picture of him up you have to type David L Jones not Dave Jones or David Jones. You need the L for some reason.

author: HackedFridgeMagnet
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 12:55:01 pm
content: 46

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 04:10:00 pm
content: 42 or 43, exact answer depends on what his actual date of birth is.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 04:29:46 pm
content: He's in the fourthies, but he does exercise so he's in good fit. He probably has good healthy habits in nutrition and sleep.Despite his cute nerdy voice, he doesn't fit on the geek/nerd stereotypes.Most of us probably fit more in the physical geeky/nerdy stereotypes than him!Dave: How do you manage it? I want to lose weight, improve my body, improve my organization and time management, study a lot and attend my girlfriend. It looks an impossible challenge to me!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:14:49 pm
content: If it's any help, I'm a Great Uncle.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:25:40 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2015, 11:14:49 pmNo help, as a Aussie that could be near any age.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:25:58 pm
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on August 29, 2015, 04:29:46 pmIt's basic physics. Don't consume more calories than you expend.Eat less calories or expend more energy, or both, your choice.There is no secret. Anyone who claims anything else is peddling snake oil.QuoteThat requires exercise.I recommend very high repetition weight work.QuoteI have zero organisation or time management.QuoteLife generally isn't easy.If this helps with the age calculation, someone posted this. NSFW & permanent mental scarring WARNING:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-787-mailbag/?action=dlattach;attach=167796;image

author: AF6LJ
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timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:26:54 pm
content: I was out of High School When Dave was born.Dave is most likely three years unger than Alex E. Jones of Infowars fame.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:30:55 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2015, 11:25:58 pmIt is Never that simple Dave; I walked to work and home every day.The route is just under 10Km (6.0 miles each way) I ate less and my body simply adapted, I ate quality food No junk food, no prepaired frozen crap from the store. I ate fish, lots of fish and kept my iodine level up. I could run 5:50 miles four of them in succession. I still got fat.epigenetics I suppose.Go figure.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:38:13 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 29, 2015, 11:30:55 pmI bet you it's not. You simply weren't doing the calculations accurately enough (granted it's not easy to actually measure and calculate human energy input and input)You don't see any overweight staving people.And BTW, the human body, through evolution, is very efficient at walking. Walking, whilst a good general cardiovascular exercise, is actually quite poor if you want to lose weight due to said high efficiency.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:49:59 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2015, 11:38:13 pmYour painting a complex problem with a very wide brush. Just wait another few years; you wil put on weight trust me.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:50:11 pm
content: The gym. Static muscle, even unused, burns calories constantly. This doesn't mean buff you don't have to be. This is why heavy weight trainers need 3000+ calorie diets just to keep what they have. Yes, you also need to use it too.Cheers,KC3ASEAlso I'm not touching the original post I made. Dave was 14 when he saw Back to The Future (give or take his birth month). I was 11.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:51:07 pm
content: I guess I forgot to mention that I am Female Dave, that I Know has something to do with it.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:53:58 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 29, 2015, 11:49:59 pmWell when that time comes he can just take up smoking.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 29, 2015, 11:56:29 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on August 29, 2015, 11:53:58 pm

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:03:44 am
content: I reckon he is a lot lot older than we think, remember he has a flux capacitor .......

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:05:23 am
content: Quote from: Deathwish on August 30, 2015, 12:03:44 amThe lines in his forehead suggest he is 37-42.Just a slightly tamed wild A$$ guess on my part.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:07:40 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 30, 2015, 12:05:23 amMaybe, but all those references in his lab and other places to BTTF are hints really, he time travels so the wrinkles dont count.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:11:07 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 30, 2015, 12:05:23 amThe biggest clue I got was when he started working. That's still hard to go by but his reference to electronics magazines, getting that first job, saving all his money for his first scope etc I tried to piece it together. He did things that I couldn't have possible have done yet. Probably only someone near his age would know.Dave is 44.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:12:07 am
content: I'm guessing 42 as well.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:17:07 am
content: Quote from: Deathwish on August 30, 2015, 12:07:40 amI thought I was the only one who time traveled, kept going back and picking bills off the Money Tree, until I killed it.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:30:28 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 30, 2015, 12:17:07 amThen of course he tells us about Altium as if he was there in the stone ages, and he keeps finding old kit to tear down, nope, I reckon he is a time traveller. I bet if you check there was a David L Jones in all the states of Australia over the centuries and that is proof.

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:35:52 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 30, 2015, 12:05:23 amMy guess was 48 (I wrote it in white ink on my post), not because the lines in his face since he is in the sun a lot, but the skin in his arms suggests he is close to 50 but I was being polite, so 1966-67.

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:44:38 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 30, 2015, 12:38:28 amwhen your teeth are in a tumbler besides the bed

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:46:01 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on August 30, 2015, 12:35:52 amFunny, I've been monitoring this and I didn't see your white ink and probably many didn't see mine. Worst is I knew to look for white ink, LOL

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:52:46 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on August 30, 2015, 12:38:28 amI never said that

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 12:55:07 am
content: I always thought that life as a one way trip and no one gets out alive, so try and keep happy at whatever age you find yourself at.

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 01:43:11 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on August 29, 2015, 11:25:40 pmNot just Aussies. I was an Uncle at 5 years old as my oldest sister was 18 years older than me. Not a great uncle though as my nephews and niece never had children.

author: BradC
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 01:50:06 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on August 30, 2015, 12:55:07 amLife is a sexually transmitted terminal disease.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 01:52:13 pm
content: Quote from: retrolefty on August 30, 2015, 12:55:07 amThat is a good attitude to have.I tend to believe in Continuity of Consciousness, when this life runs out I'll pick another life to experience.

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 02:06:15 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 30, 2015, 01:52:13 pmNot bad. I think I would choose to come back as a Redwood tree because it has a seasonal clock rate.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 03:05:40 pm
content: I'm guessing the arse end of his 50s.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 04:16:37 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 30, 2015, 03:05:40 pmIs it based on look or wisdom?

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 04:21:50 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on August 30, 2015, 04:16:37 pmPurely on his looks and how active he seems to be. I'm guessing because of that he's also got a rather healthy lifestyle in general so would guess he's a young looking 55-58ish.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 04:29:15 pm
content: 14 in 1985 when he was exposed to Michael J Fox and suffered terminal BTTF syndrome. Thus 43, 44 or 45, depending on the release date and his birthday skew.I want my Hoverboard! A Japanese copy is not good enough...............

author: mathsquid
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 04:29:22 pm
content: I'm 40, and based on things that Dave says about when he was a kid, when he was working in the industry, etc, I've always assumed that he is 5 to 10 years older than me. I'm guessing 47.

author: ElektroQuark
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 04:39:02 pm
content: 49-50.

author: rdl
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 06:11:45 pm
content: On one of Dave's many web sites there is what looks like a scan from a newspaper captioned "An article about Nicole and David from the "Hills News", 12th Feb, 2002". The third paragraph in that article reads:Quote

author: Deathwish
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 06:16:44 pm
content: Quote from: rdl on August 30, 2015, 06:11:45 pmSo 42 it is then do those who guessed right get to rummage through his test gear and take a prize home.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 06:48:34 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 29, 2015, 11:30:55 pmYou might find this video interesting, it discusses a common issue people encounter with going on "diets" and their metabolism adapting to the drastic caloric deficit:(obviously I don't know about your individual circumstances and whether you've gone through any crash diets in the past but I know I have and found the video very interesting in terms of explaining why the weight just never stayed off). He's got a lot more videos with more details (this one is also very interesting:).The statistics on losing weight and keeping it off are certainly discouraging but I do know it can be done by managing caloric / nutrient intake carefully combined with appropriate exercise (weight lifting is essential, steady-state cardio is not great as it encourages the body to consume muscle fibre for energy rather than fat). I have recently gone through this myself... I started out just eating more healthily and exercising regularly but I eventually it a definite plateau and only managed to break through that by counting everything I eat, very precisely (I use the app Lifesum which is pretty handy). It's very helpful to actually know with certainty what you do consume / expend every day and what impact that has on weight. Good luck!

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 09:25:48 pm
content: Quote from: janekm on August 30, 2015, 06:48:34 pmThis is all good;I haven't, but will watch the videos later..One of the issues in my life that sets it apart from most every one else; I walk everywhere I go. by necessity.A typical day involves a four mile walk to the post office, add to that once a week the grocery store and anywhere else I need to go within ten miles one way. I have been doing this for going on five decades.I will check out the videos since I haven't seen them before.I haven't given up yet...I am looking forward to the day when I can be the oldest female to complete the Badwater Ultra Marathon./Sue the old woman who everyone sees walking all over SanDiego. Kalifornia.

author: Leiothrix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 10:21:31 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2015, 11:14:49 pmI'm sure you are, no need to boast though.I suppose not many people would admit to being a terrible uncle

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 30, 2015, 11:32:02 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2015, 11:25:58 pmYes that's true but the human body has a nasty habit of adjusting its energy expenditure to compensate for the energy deficit: eat less, and your basil metabolic rate reduces, to counteract the weight loss.Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2015, 11:38:13 pmAnyone who's on a restricted calorie diet is technically starving to some degree irrespective of how fat they may be.Quote from: janekm on August 30, 2015, 06:48:34 pmI haven't watched those videos but I've done enough research on the matter to be pretty sure that it's true. The majority of people simply can't lose weight and keep it off through willpower alone.Restrictive diets also have their risks: vitamin/mineral deficiencies, fatigue, digestive problems, psychological issues (depression, anxiety, eating disorders), future weight gain. I think it's better to just keep fit and eat healthily, even if you don't lose much weight.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 01:51:59 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on August 30, 2015, 11:32:02 pmYou have to be a bit of a nutritionist to make it work.Dave oversimplifies the problem and doesn't consider such things as fat soluble toxins the body had to get rid of if the person in question needs to loose thirty 15 KG or more.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 02:29:07 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 31, 2015, 01:51:59 amBut ultimately that's what it comes down to, fundamental basics of physics.If you consume the same energy you expend (all things accounted for), then youcan'tgain weight, it's impossible.Consume less energy than you expend, you will ultimately loose weight, guaranteed by the laws of physics.The problem is one of system measurement complexity, and the ability to maintain consistency.People are far too quick to blame anythingbutthe amount of calories they consume.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 02:47:30 am
content: Quote from: Hero999 on August 30, 2015, 11:32:02 pmYes, that's true in many people (not all), it's a complex system.That is why you shouldn't just diet, you need to and should exercise.Someone originally asked how/why I look the way I do, it's consistency. I don't overeat (though I do tend to binge on junk food more than I should, I can and do regularly down a 200g block of chocolate in a day), I exercise regularly, and I have done the hard yard to gain substantial muscle mass that burns calories just sitting here typing this.QuoteYes, weight training is the best thing you can possibly do to lose weight and stay healthy.I get asked this all the time at the gym, because if you see how enthusiastic I am on camera, picture the same but in the gym. I'm enthusiastic to the point of embarrassment, I'm the freak that stands out in every class. People either want to avoid me, or want to know what drugs I'm on (not because I'm big, I'm not, but because I'm hyper enthusiastic). People call me a "try hard" all the time and look at me strange because I'm lifting what they consider insane weights in a muscular endurance BodyPump class, or jumping twice the height of everyone else, or punching twice as hard and twice as fast, or accelerating in sprints twice as fast. Girls with their makeup all intact after a class ask me how I'm so fit and energetic, the answer is obvious when I'm standing in front of them having lost 2kg of sweat in the same class they just did.People simply don't put enough effort into it, they think it's easy. It's not, you have to do the hard yards.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 03:18:03 am
content: BTW, I only do 3 hours of exercise a week.But I think an important thing that's always overlooked, is how energetic you are in daily life, all day every day.I walk fast and powerfully everywhere I go, for no reason at all. I've always taken two or three steps at time my entire life, doesn't matter if I'm in a hurry or not. I'm always twitching, moving around, doing isometric stretches etc.Don't know if there are any studies on that, but it's got to make a difference, potentially a big one.

author: DimitriP
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 03:29:46 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 31, 2015, 03:18:03 amHoly crap, over here they have a couple of names for it and also pills to go with it.If you were a kid in the US someone would want to put you on medication to "keep you calm".Most people are half asleep and that has become the "normal".Most people have three speeds. Stationery, slow and slower.Others have two.Stationery and fast!Twitch on!!!!

author: ludzinc
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 04:07:35 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2015, 11:38:13 pmI agree with Dave here 100%.I wanted to lose weight so started walking to / from work (via the train) for 10+ kms each and every day. Cut all crap form my diet too. Didn't do Jack.6 months ago joined up with a Cross-fit group, and shedded 14 kilos in that time. Didn't change my diet.Cross-fit is know for both Cardio and Weight (strength) training. And I'm not the exception - there's a holf dozen members who have made similar losses in the time I've been there.

author: ccs46
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 04:33:53 am
content: Quote from: Aodhan145 on August 29, 2015, 09:10:26 amSo I was correct!

author: ccs46
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 04:39:27 am
content: Quote from: Deathwish on August 30, 2015, 12:30:28 amHe could be a time lord... and Sagan is his next reincarnation, Huxley will be after Sagan. I think that right there is the meaning of life.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 06:51:42 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on August 31, 2015, 03:29:46 amWhat the fuck! I only have two speed modes because I'm not a neurotypical, unfortunately my lie mood makes me very inactive. Fortunately, I'm becoming more active again.Vyvanse makes me less tired, but also more focused and not have lazy-crazy states, but more in the active way. Sertraline seems okay.Anyway, insomnia is a shit to me. I need to relax my mind and Valium isn't enough to me. It seems my brain is tricky and get bored of drugs too. Insomnia destroys my stamina.Quote from: ludzinc on August 31, 2015, 04:07:35 amHoly fuck! You're saying the contrary than most people say to me! I often walked more than that guy in the Kung Fu series that died while making some wicked pleasure philia stuff, and always got fatty.I like boxing (I was expulsed from schools tons of times because if fighting stupid kids that humiliated me and want able to manage it in other way) and moving heavy things, not sure about the second. I often wear heavy things from others in a impulsive way and not just because helping them. But it makes me feel physically better.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 09:09:04 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 31, 2015, 02:47:30 amExercise is good but it increases your energy deficit so you need to be more careful about what you eat, i.e. make sure you're not eating too little and are getting enough protein and salts to maintain your electrolyte levels. You also need a caloric surplus if you want to build muscle tissue.QuoteBinging is not necessary a bad thing. It's merely your body's survival mechanism kicking in, protecting your from malnutrition and making you eat more when you really need to. Try eating more carbohydrates.Oh and read the Minnesota starvation experiment. You may not look thin but many of the symptoms of starvation show, long before you lose too much fat.http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/6/1347.full

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 09:29:24 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 29, 2015, 11:38:13 pmTrue, but things changes quickly in case there is a altitude difference in your walk path. If you know your weight you can also get easily the Joule you need to do it:Energy needed = Mass *g* Height.Of course the upper number is the low limit, since your body has an high efficiency but surely far away from 100%.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 09:47:26 am
content: Quote from: DimitriP on August 31, 2015, 03:29:46 amIt's sad.I actually get people in my classes (seriously) telling me to stop jumping and dancing between tracks, because that's not part of the routine, and everyone else is sitting around puffing and panting, so it's not "normal" and they find it disturbing. Guess my response...And jogging and dancing around keeping my heart rate up during the breaks in a cardio classes is apparently a crime against humanity.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 09:54:21 am
content: Quote from: ludzinc on August 31, 2015, 04:07:35 amYes, cross-fit and their ilk like boot camp are very popular now because they work.But as with everything, you do still have to put in the hard yards.High repetition weight work like BodyPump is the best way to do weights to get fit.I did Pump 7 days a week for about 8 years, well over 3000 classes now. I'm now down to two a week.

author: steve30
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 11:25:24 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 31, 2015, 09:47:26 amNot surprising. Sounds similar to how people can't understand how I managed to walk/cycle anywhere.Just wondering Dave, how do you travel to the gym? When I went to a gym, part of my 'workout' would be just getting there and back. It always worries me when I see people moan about a gym's lack of car parking.Perhaps Dave should do a short video series on fitness for electronics hobbyists.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 11:35:11 am
content: Quote from: steve30 on August 31, 2015, 11:25:24 amUsed to ride my bike there a lot, but these days it's simply a matter of time and convenience so I take the carQuoteHere you go:

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 11:58:58 am
content: Anyone got any tips ongainingand maintaining weight healthily? I can only seem to keep an healthy weight on for a couple of weeks and can lose 10s of kilos in a couple of weeks at times.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 12:17:04 pm
content: Quote from: steve30 on August 31, 2015, 11:25:24 amAm I the only one who hates gyms?I find them very boring. Running machines are probably the worst as I suffer from motion sickness after being on a treadmill for more than a few minutes.I used to run a lot outdoors but damaged my knees so had to quit.Now I just cycle to work which is about 4 miles (just over 6k) at a reasonable pace and it's uphill which helps with my fitness.I no longer diet or restrict what I eat, as I've been there, done that and it only made me ill in the past.Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 31, 2015, 11:58:58 amHave you always been thin?Have you recently increased your exercise level or changed your diet with the intention of being more healthy?If the answer to the above is no, then go and see a doctor, especially if you've suddenly started loosing weight which could be a sign of a serious illness.If you've always been thin then there's little you can do about it, other than do some weight training, in order to build muscle mass.If you've recently become more active or adopted a new diet then reverse those changes: do less and eat more high fat, high carbohydrate food.

author: Mechanical Menace
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 12:33:47 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on August 31, 2015, 12:17:04 pmI've always had a slimmish frame but the main problem is I've always fluctuated wildly. I can go from 260lbs* to 160lbs** in weeks and vice versa without changing my diet or activity. I've got to be honest though and say I've never seriously thought of seeing a doctor about it. With the problems a lot of people have loosing weight who try to live a much healthier life style than me it seems like whining about nothing.*I'm tall enough to carry it well **but too tall to carry that offlol

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 12:40:19 pm
content: Quote from: Mechanical Menace on August 31, 2015, 11:58:58 amI'd say you have a serious issue you should probably see a doctor about. That is not normal.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 12:43:18 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on August 31, 2015, 12:17:04 pmGoing to a gym to just run on a treadmill is rather silly.Take a group class, they are much more motivating.QuoteNo need to run to get cardio vascular exercise. Power walking is proven to be just as good.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 01:23:57 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 31, 2015, 03:18:03 amYes, in fact there have been recent studies on this effect, and it does make a huge difference! The effect falls under the umbrella of what's now called "NEAT" (Non-exercise activity thermogenesis), an umbrella term for non-exercise, non-basal energy expenditure, basically. That's made up of both activity from job and leisure activities and from the effect you mentioned, being more/less active throughout the day. Here's a nice introductory article:http://www.mayoclinic.org/documents/mc5810-0307-pdf/doc-20079082Amongst interesting points in the article, the difference from NEAT can account for up to 2000 calories per day (!) , and lean people tend to spend up to 2 hours more per day standing and walking.NEAT is also a major component of "metabolic adaptation", that is if you consume fewer calories, your body will reduce your activity level to preserve energy balance.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 07:01:50 pm
content: Some more observations about exercise / nutrition / diet:Energy In = Energy Out (like Dave said)Energy In = Energy you extract from food + Energy you extract from your own fat & muscleEnergy Out = Basal Metabolic Rate + Thermogenic effects of food (energy you use to extract calories from food) + NEAT + energy expended on exercise = total daily energy expenditure (TDEE)Having more muscle leads to higher BMR and can lead to higher NEATThe goal of "weight loss" should be to reduce fat mass while preserving (or increasing) muscle ("lean body") massOverly restrictive diets (both in terms of calories or food options) are a terrible idea as they can not be followed for extended (multiple year!) periods of time. A sensible diet (for weight loss) combines a small caloric deficit (aiming for no more than 0.5kg weight loss per week, at the most!) with a good balance of protein, carbohydrates, and fat, and flexibility in food choicesMuscle is more heavy than fat. "Scale weight" is a poor indicator of fat loss in the context of a good nutrition + exercise program. However, it is useful to monitor as you want change in weight (averaged over a week) to stay fairly constant during a weight loss regime. Drastic changes in weight are an indicator that the program should be adjusted.The body tries to preserve energy stores (fat) through a number of interlocking mechanisms. One of these is signals (through hormones such as leptin) sent from empty fat cells, another is hormonal changes. If a severely restrictive diet is followed by a non-restrictive diet, more than the original weight loss is gained back in fat! (In studies, this is observed in about 95% of subjects)Gaining fat results in the creation of additional fat cells. If fat gain is followed by a restrictive diet, the additional fat cells will amplify the above effect at the conclusion of that dietConsequently, a restrictive diet should not be stopped suddenly. Some recommend performing a "reverse diet" by gradually increasing calories week by week to allow the metabolism to gradually adjust to the higher intake. AFAIK there haven't been any studies confirming this protocol yet though (but it's not like we have any better ideas either)Weighted exercises are useful because they promote muscle growth and especially because they allow monitoring of muscle strength. If the ability to lift weight is maintained or increased, it stands to reason that muscle mass was maintained or increased. The aim is to increase the weight lifted week by week ("progressive overload"). "StrongLifts 5×5" is a popular program for this, though with heavy compound lifts like those it would be a good idea to get competent advice while starting out. 5x5 refers to 5 sets of 5 repetitions of each exercise. A more conventional approach would be 3 sets in the 8-10 repetition rangeSometimes women voice concern that performing weighted exercise would lead to "bulky" looking muscles, but this basically doesn't happen (female bodybuilders with huge muscles are definitely taking steroids). Case in point, here's what a female bodybuilder performing 162lbs deadlifts looks like without steroids:Long stretches of "steady state" (constant speed) cardio exercises are not recommended as they interfere with muscle synthesis ( Interesting article, reasonably well referenced:http://www.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/1138/Does_Cardio_Make_You_Fat.aspx)Instead, "high intensity interval training" is commonly recommended today. This type of training is excellent at promoting cardiovascular health and ability while preserving lean muscle mass. Duration of training would be comparatively short (10-20m of very high intensity exercise)It's a good idea to keep protein intake relatively high (2g / kg is a common recommendation), both to preserve / gain lean muscle mass but also because protein promotes satiety

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 11:06:27 pm
content: Quote from: janekm on August 31, 2015, 07:01:50 pmjWhat a wonderfully simplistic view of a complex problem.Obviouisly a male who has never been fat a day in his life. (for now anyway.)

author: Balaur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 11:21:40 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 31, 2015, 11:06:27 pmI rather subscribe to his point of view.In support, I can show you 2+ years of personal spreadsheets where I have tracked my food income (to the gram and Kcal), my activities, and my bio measures (weight, body fat % using an Omron BF tool, muscle mass, physical performance - cardio (running/biking), weight lifting) and so on.The system worked with a mathematical precision. Spreadsheet data and predictions fitted very well with the actual measurements.Well, your mileage may vary, of course, but I've remained with a rather deterministic view on this kind of stuff.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 31, 2015, 11:39:40 pm
content: Quote from: Balaur on August 31, 2015, 11:21:40 pmAnd you are Female, Right?Biological sex and age does play a role in how easy someone can loose weight, add to that enviroment and stress. Have you ever heard of a hormone called Cotrisol?Cortisol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

author: Balaur
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 12:19:07 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 31, 2015, 11:39:40 pmNope, I'm a 40 year old male.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 01:01:15 am
content: Quote from: janekm on August 31, 2015, 07:01:50 pmYes, that's a myth. Don't know how many times I've had to explain this to girls at the gym.

author: apis
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 01:39:33 am
content: I used to have the opposite problem, 0% body fat and impossible to gain any weight, turned out I had some problem with the pancreas.My mother has been overweight for a long time and she has tried exercising and is very active but it didn't do much of a difference on her weight. Now she's in a group where a dietitian is helping people change their diet to something more healthy while at the same time keeping the energy intake lower than the energy used each day and she's finally loosing weight. The trick is to eat enough (and to get all important nutrients etc) so that the body doesn't go into "starvation mode", because then it begins to try to conserve energy instead. One also want to avoid sweets since the sweet taste makes the brain want to hoard, so you eat more before you feel full.But in the end it comes down to thermodynamics 101: you have to eat less energy than you use.

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 02:41:03 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 31, 2015, 09:47:26 amI get that feeling all day.It's difficult for me to mine at medium speed, I'm slow or absurdly fast.I'm too bad at "routines", I do something if I have the impulse to do it. Discipline causes me a bit of allergy.I hate to get bored and I often get bored. Most movies I don't choose bore me (TV is toxic for me, except some occasional twisted cartoons I don't understand how children can watch them) not me so I think about my shit or use my phone.Absurd rules frustrate and unmotivate me a lot. I have problems with authority and illogical procedures, but I get inhibited in relatively large groups, but I'm improving at my social anxiety. The only exception is my "boss", aka girlfriendI hear music (mostly chiptunes or fast rhythmic electronic music, "horrible noise" as my gf says!) most of the time to concentrate and do stuff at home library or classroom.* As usual, I was bragging music at the lab while using CadSoft Eagle and writing a boring report. The task was individual. One of the teachers asked other if it was against school norms and said yes. It was pathetic and absurd.Quote from: EEVblog on August 31, 2015, 11:35:11 amNice! Hehehe.There's missing parts:- Oscilloscopes or broken TVs for lifting.- Old cables for jumping with them ( I don't remember the name).- Entering a full room can help improve psychomotor skills too, I suppose.- Massive repairing of stuff that involves force in the workshop/lab?....Quote from: Hero999 on August 31, 2015, 12:17:04 pmIt happens the same to me. Too much people gives me stress, alone makes me bored. Reproduce stuff bores me unless additional simulation is provided.I'd you lose weight that way, please get checked ASAP. There's a possibility, chron disease, but the issue can be whatever.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 10:11:20 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on August 31, 2015, 11:06:27 pmYes, absolutely, it is an extremely simplistic version, intentionally so. There's a big tendency (especially in the main-stream media) to focus on little details that are just not that important in the big picture. Does green tea increase energy expenditure? Maybe, but nobody is fat because they're not drinking enough tea. For what it's worth, male, 37 years old, but have definitely been fat, been through my share of over-restrictive diets (mainly of the Atkins / low carb style) which worked great in the short-run but led to even more fat gain down the line. I'm currently 8 months into a program based on the principles I mentioned, which has been very successful for me (from 97kg down to 85kg with considerable muscle gain, and I'm in the best physical shape of my life, by far). I'll be the first to grant that you should ask me in two years time whether the weight stayed off, that's the hard part.It's also true that all that was preceded by making significant changes to my lifestyle, and putting a much higher emphasis on my own health over deadlines, work pressures etc. It probably would have been impossible otherwise.The one thing I think would make sense to any engineer is that if an individual can motivate themselves (and it's a huge if, of course) to keep good track of their energy intake and expenditure, and make measured changes to these, they will be in a much better position to work out whether or not they are moving in the right direction or not. And certainly to notice very quickly what their metabolism is actually like. There's an excellent spreadsheet from someone on Reddit that works out TDEE:https://www.reddit.com/r/fitness/comments/3bx3rl/a_tool_i_made_to_help_find_your_actual_tdee_and/which is a great tool for working out just what your metabolism is actually like.For myself it's been extremely useful to monitor... I only started out monitoring body weight and measurements, and making "sensible" changes to my diet (cutting out sweets, increasing fruit & vegetable intake) and exercise. That took me a long way, and I was able to see when I had reached a plateau. At that point I started monitoring my actual nutritional intake and making a few changes to that (small reduction in overall calorie intake, increase in protein), and made it through that plateau fairly easily. It's very empowering from a motivational point of view to have those tools available. I now have a much better idea of how my body and metabolism react to different inputs.What's the alternative? Stabbing in the dark, trying this, trying that, with no way of really knowing what's actually working? One thing that is completely non-controversial from a scientific point of view is that overly restrictive diets lead to terrible results down the line.

author: Zucca
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 01:09:43 pm
content: ...and 6 pages later nodoby knows how old is he.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 01:39:18 pm
content: Quote from: janekm on August 31, 2015, 07:01:50 pm*snip*QuoteThere is a fair amount of evidence to suggest that it makes very little difference how slowly the weight is lost. The body will still adjust its BMR and reduce NEAT in order to compensate for the weight loss. This is because the body's adaptation to starvation is not only based on the energy deficit but the leptin level.The interesting thing is that it works in reverse. Overfeeding naturally lean people doesn't result in the expected amount weight gain as the BMR increases to compensate and any weight gain is temporary.http://dm5migu4zj3pb.cloudfront.net/manuscripts/106000/106570/JCI71106570.pdfThe human body is quite good at regulating its weight around a certain set point. Obviously this isn't perfect as people do gain weight but it's not purely down to overeating and inactivity: something else needs to happen inside the body which is not fully understood.Quote from: janekm on September 01, 2015, 10:11:20 amSorry, it's still a restrictive diet. It may not be as bad as the one's you've done in the past but based on your rate of weight loss, it's still a caloric deficit of around 380kCal per day which is a lot and is certainly not sustainable over the long term.QuoteEating healthily is good but if you're not careful you could become obsessed with it, which becomes more likely the longer you keep it up. If you find yourself obsessing about food, experiencing cravings for high carb/fat food, binging or will not even allow the occasional treat then it's a sign off starvation, regardless of how many extra pounds you may be carrying.You're probably better off just trying to maintain a stable weight now and focusing on fitness rather than attempting to lose any more. It will certainly be easier and have a higher chance of being sustainable in the long run.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 02:25:02 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on September 01, 2015, 01:39:18 pmThat of course is an area of a huge amount of debate within the scientific community (at least based on what I've read). Some argue it's due to reduced NEAT (due to increase of chair based work, for example), some think it's due to changes in dietary composition, some think it's due to changes inside the body as you suggest, and many other theories. I favour the simpler explanations (changes in NEAT behaviours combined with dietary changes). For myself, yes I can attribute my higher bodyweight directly to inactivity and overeating. Of course you can argue that my body should have been able to regulate that, but I would argue that I didn't give it much of a chance (chair-based work for long hours every day, combined with stress-eating of highly caloric foods).QuoteThat's certainly true. My point was intended to be more that a cabbage soup (or Atkins, or whatever) diet followed by a beer & pizza diet is a recipe for disaster. In terms of the diet I am following now, it's not an unreasonable diet to follow with the caloric intake gradually adjusted back to maintenance levels.QuoteVery true indeed. I'd easily be at risk of that (I have obsessive tendencies and these were pronounced under low-carb diets). I've not got anything off the menu per se; It's more a set of nutritional goals per day (x g protein, x g carb, x g fat). So I'm still eating burgers and pizza and the occasional sweet treat, no worries, just in moderationQuoteThat's also true, and I am trailing off the weight loss part now... As I mentioned I am quite concerned about gaining back the weight (as you mentioned it's difficult to re-set the body's setpoint and I am certainly below my usual setpoint now). The plan is to gradually increase the calories now back to maintenance levels. There's only anecdotal evidence that this is a workable protocol but fingers crossed

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 02:57:09 pm
content: Quote from: janekm on September 01, 2015, 10:11:20 amFair enough, allthough I avoid fruit due to its sugar content.When given a choice between an apple and a couple of shots of Wheat grass juice, the Wheat grass juice wins hands down.

author: Leiothrix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 09:59:18 pm
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 01, 2015, 02:57:09 pmWhy? The apple should fill you up due to its fiber content, and the fiber also slows down absorption of sugar so you don't "spike".The wheatgrass juice won't fill you up at all, though the taste might turn you off eating.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 01, 2015, 10:33:10 pm
content: Quote from: Leiothrix on September 01, 2015, 09:59:18 pmThat is quite correct, I avoid fruit out of preference I'm not really into the whole sweetness thing.No Wheat grass won't fillyou up, celery will.Like I said it is a preference. A few dried Bananna chips every now and again are nice.

author: nuno
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 02, 2015, 02:29:08 am
content: 43 -/+0.5

author: timofonic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 03, 2015, 12:12:32 am
content: Quote from: AF6LJ on September 01, 2015, 10:33:10 pmI'm a weird vegan. I have problems eating fruit and crude vegetables, there's exceptions if it's of really good flavor.These days I avoid sugar and use artificial sweeteners. I'm considering to make my own homemade stevia extract with nearly pure alcohol and some procedure to remove most of the alcohol (but really you only need one it two drops, stevia is a very powerful sweetener).I love spicy food in an insane way. I would eat spicy stuff all day, even for breakfast. I don't do it, with the exception of pepper. I did read scientific discoveries about spicy stuff isn't so bad and even has positive properties. Is that true?Some related articleshttp://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/21/garden/eating-spicy-food-what-are-the-effects.htmlhttp://healthyeating.sfgate.com/can-eating-extremely-spicy-food-harmful-health-2660.htmlhttp://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/09/27/why-eat-spicy-food.aspxhttp://www.livestrong.com/article/480587-why-do-some-spicy-foods-cause-diarrhea/http://www.livescience.com/16556-spicy-food-fatal-chili-peppers.htmlhttp://abc7.com/archive/9326321/http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/digestive/spicy-food-ulcers.htmRelated scientific papersSnitker, S., Fujishima, Y., Shen, H., Ott, S., Pi-Sunyer, X., Furuhata, Y., ... & Takahashi, M. (2009). Effects of novel capsinoid treatment on fatness and energy metabolism in humans: possible pharmacogenetic implications.The American journal of clinical nutrition, 89(1), 45-50.Yoneshiro, T., Aita, S., Kawai, Y., Iwanaga, T., & Saito, M. (2012). Nonpungent capsaicin analogs (capsinoids) increase energy expenditure through the activation of brown adipose tissue in humans. The American journal of clinical nutrition, 95(4), 845-850.Luo, X. J., Peng, J., & Li, Y. J. (2011). Recent advances in the study on capsaicinoids and capsinoids. European journal of pharmacology, 650(1), 1-7.Whiting, S., Derbyshire, E., & Tiwari, B. K. (2012). Capsaicinoids and capsinoids. A potential role for weight management? A systematic review of the evidence. Appetite, 59(2), 341-348.Ludy, M. J., Moore, G. E., & Mattes, R. D. (2011). The effects of capsaicin and capsiate on energy balance: critical review and meta-analyses of studies in humans. Chemical senses, bjr100.

author: Ysjoelfir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2015, 07:53:27 am
content: Dave should be 43 if I calculated corectly. I am on a mission to watch every video he made so far, and I recently watched #54, where he looks at the 200 in 1 electronic project kit. While looking at the manual he says:"If I check the actual date, it is copyright 1981! So there you go! That puts me in about nine years old." So 1981 - 9 = Born in 1972. Depending on his day of birth he should be around 43 years old.

author: janekm
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 04, 2015, 09:33:57 am
content: Quote from: Circuiteromalaguito on September 03, 2015, 12:12:32 amIf you enjoy spicy food, I can't see a good reason to avoid it unless you have some known intestinal disorders... There's plenty of population groups around the world which eat considerable quantities of spicy food, much beyond what any North American would do. Though there is some anecdotal evidence at least that there is an acclimatisation effect and if you indulge in a huge portion of spicy food irregularly, you will have unpleasant side effects, so I'd aim for moderate quantities more regularlyAs regards the weight management benefits, the abstract from the last review article you posted puts it well: "The magnitude of these effects is small. Purposeful inclusion of these compounds in the diet may aid weight management, albeit modestly." (If spicy food were a weight-loss miracle, everyone in India would be lean, right?)Get the basics right first, then worry about minor tweaks once the basics get hard. BTW Examine.com is generally an excellent resource evaluating the scientific evidence on various supplements and nutrition-related topics:http://examine.com/supplements/capsaicin/(They've got a bit of a hard sell going on for some of the "information packs" they sell to make money... just ignore that)

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 04, 2015, 09:03:00 pm
content: Quote from: Ysjoelfir on September 04, 2015, 07:53:27 amI always thought he was a couple of years older than I am (I'm 40), and yeah, this vid confirms it (to me, at least). It also means he started working at a pretty young age. His LinkedIn profile has his first job listed in January 1990, so at the age of 18. I didn't start to work full time until I was 23 or so.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 04, 2015, 09:16:14 pm
content: Quote from: jitter on September 04, 2015, 09:03:00 pmThat puts me out of the running.If he was eighteen in 1990 he would be 43 now. If he started his first job at 16 that would make him 41.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 04, 2015, 11:10:54 pm
content: My first job at Pacific Communications was in late 1989 IIRC, repairing and testing Z80 based CCTV equipment and misc military and comms stuff.

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 04, 2015, 11:52:04 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 04, 2015, 11:10:54 pmDon't know about there...In the US you could have been sixteen at that time.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 06, 2015, 10:51:47 pm
content: Quote from: janekm on September 01, 2015, 02:25:02 pmIs it even possible to reset your set point?http://www.dana.org/Cerebrum/Default.aspx?id=39307Leptin replacement seems to be promising though.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2840850/

author: Quarlo Klobrigney
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 09:58:15 am
content: Born 1972. You gave a tell in a mailbag Dave when you said and I paraphrase: "1972 was a good year"Do I win?

author: isaiahA
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 07, 2015, 03:29:04 pm
content: my guess is 36

author: jitter
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 08:28:40 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 04, 2015, 11:10:54 pmAnd you were 17 back then (another clue in EEVblog #580, Q&A)...

author: AF6LJ
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 09, 2015, 09:50:46 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 04, 2015, 11:10:54 pm/Sue looks around in awe at all the gear she owns that is older than Dave.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 11:23:07 am
content: Quote from: isaiahA on September 07, 2015, 03:29:04 pmWinner!Where should I ship your prize?

author: retrolefty
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 12:49:14 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 10, 2015, 11:23:07 amDarn, off by twoQuote

author: Gribo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 10, 2015, 04:14:28 pm
content: 36 in hex, maybe