Audiophool Solid Silver Fuses - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 09, 2025, 10:15:50 am
content: I think we have seen some Audiophool fuses here in the past, which looked like traditional glass or ceramic fuses but had various "supreme" or "quantum" specifications.The other day when looking for some items on AliExpress I came across some rather surprising fuses specifically aimed at use on tube amplifiers: "Grey Knight high fidelity pure silver fuse".https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005006464907661.htmlThey are listed as either solid sterling silver rod or hollow sterling silver tubes, in either 20x5mm or 25x6mm sizes, and can be optionally plated with rhodium and platinum.I wonder what the breaking currents are, as nothing is specified!Of course someone has left a 5-star review.

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2025, 11:16:47 am
content: These are only from the Grey Knight.Unless they are from the Black Knight, I would never consider these to be any good.Honestly, just use a nail, if you want to disable the component fuses...

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2025, 11:19:27 am
content: their from the scam friar , portrayed by porky pig

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2025, 11:38:14 am
content: I note that the store also sellselectronic black holes. I hope they're fairly well-contained, my cousin was swallowed up by one a few years ago and we haven't seen him since.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 09, 2025, 12:00:55 pm
content: Quote from: 5U4GB on April 09, 2025, 11:38:14 amHaha, good find! I wonder if those are better for grounding than the usual plastic bag of dirt.Also, I am so glad that they take extra precautions with shipping.QuoteI've heard that collisions involving black holes can be problematic when claiming on insurance. I do hope your cousin reappears soon.

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2025, 12:19:25 pm
content: I think it's for replacing a fuse with something that doesn't act like a fuse anymore. In the name of audio quality.They also didn't burn-in the fuses, so that's up to the user to do. I personally like to burn-in my fuse replacement with some very specific music, it makes it more open and airy.I wouldn't trust these, as everyone knows that these should be used directionally, and they are not marked.Oh and  because Poe's law.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 09, 2025, 12:48:22 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on April 09, 2025, 12:19:25 pmYeah, they reallycut cornerswhen manufacturing these cylinders.

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2025, 04:51:18 pm
content: Quote from: tszaboo on April 09, 2025, 12:19:25 pmIsn't that Poo's law, applied to a lot of chinese products in the development and manufacturing phase?

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 09, 2025, 11:17:45 pm
content: Quote from: 5U4GB on April 09, 2025, 11:38:14 amOK, I'll bite: what are those spozed to do?I mean, what does the audiophoolthinkthey do?Bring more clarity to their "soundstage"?

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 04:21:06 am
content: I'll never forget this one:Quote from: EEVblog on November 23, 2018, 09:34:59 amBeeswax.QuoteGives them something to fiddle around with.I remember in 2001 one day this old 1990's Murphy Richards kettle (I think this particular one had this a large on/off button with a light in there that glowed orange) caught fire from theIEC connector plugoops actually no, even thought it melted a bit it was from the socket, just remembered it being replaced later that day.Curious as to why the fuse never blew and it turned to be a round piece of metal shaped as a fuse.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 05:06:23 am
content: Goddamnit, I'm in the wrong business.

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 05:13:58 am
content: Quote from: tszaboo on April 09, 2025, 12:19:25 pmThey also didn't dip them in liquid nitrogen as you do with solid silver audio cables. I found this upset the balance, as if the third second-violin from the back was holding his bow wrong.

author: JMK
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 05:21:34 am
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on April 09, 2025, 11:17:45 pmSwallows random noise of courseThis is my favorite Phool site; quite an array of qualityrubbishmerchandise.https://www.synergisticresearch.com/

author: Haenk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 08:21:40 am
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on April 10, 2025, 04:21:06 amDoesn't that make the sound a bit sticky? I like airy, radiant sound much better - so maybe they could even further improve the fuse by using a combination of Radium fill and Plutonium fuse wire instead of wax?

author: SteveThackery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 02:03:30 pm
content: Quote from: JMK on April 10, 2025, 05:21:34 amWow, that's a brilliant place!

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 02:08:30 pm
content: So great that sets your sound on fire.

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 02:14:08 pm
content: Quote from: JMK on April 10, 2025, 05:21:34 amhttps://www.synergisticresearch.com/pc/powercell-14/PowerCell 14$13995 / $14495Whilst listening carefully "to find the perfect sound" wouldn't that flashing in their appliance distract and annoy the audiophool?

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 02:25:00 pm
content: ^95% of budget has gone to RGB lights and rewrapping capacitors with custom printed heatshrink.

author: wraper
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 02:33:13 pm
content: I like this product more. How to sell a piece of copper busbar for $8k.

author: DavidAlfa
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 02:47:41 pm
content: Damn it, I always wonder why I was born without the scam software bits...I would be a scammer, but a very rich one, I could cry while driving my Ferrari.

author: UnijunctionTransistor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 03:10:02 pm
content: Quote from: 5U4GB on April 10, 2025, 05:13:58 amLN2 cooling is sooooo old technology.Nowadays, you have to subject the audiophool components to an ultra strong magnetic field such that the electrons are realigned and the sound won’t be constrained.I have heard that audiophool labs have been purchasing old MRI equipment for this purpose.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 03:42:35 pm
content: Quotenot if you buy the upgraded oxygen free version

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 05:28:36 pm
content: Quote from: wraper on April 10, 2025, 02:33:13 pmThey could rename it "phools gold".https://uk.trustpilot.com/reviews/603cabb9f85d750b98a3ab81Only one Trust Pilot view but:Quotehttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/covetousQuoteSo the owner has an inordinate desire to for other people's wealth into luring them with their ridiculous claims into buying their grossly over priced things.Didn't know a model up from that box of flashing lights was 64 thousand dollars like four times of the other.https://synergisticresearch.com/pc/srx-powercell/Quote

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 07:23:08 pm
content: https://synergisticresearch.com/isolation/accessories/quantum-ground-lifter/Quotehttps://www.andersonlumbercompany.com/shop/electrical/cords-outlets-and-accessories/outlet-taps-adapters-and-cords/grounding-cube-tap/leviton-15a-125v-gray-grounding-cube-tap-outlet-adapter?SKU=504010Quoteso$45/$1.19=37.815quantatitvetimes they marked it up.

author: themadhippy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 08:11:57 pm
content: yea lets lift the ground on our equipment so the fault current has to travel down the audio interconnects instead.

author: bdunham7
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 08:23:38 pm
content: Quote from: MrMobodies on April 10, 2025, 07:23:08 pmThis guy actually has a Tesla coil with which he claims to "treat" various products with "a million volts".More power to him. The dolts that buy his stuff are his lawful prey or something like that.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 10, 2025, 09:46:31 pm
content: I figured out what its for.If you really believe a fuse is causing a problem, you would need to desolder the fuse holder and jumper it.If you replace it with a silver pipe, then its like the fuse is not there.But I don't understand why its not a solid copper rod, which would beat up a silver pipe in any audio frequency range.Its like some kind ofextremelyritzy alternative to just putting a 20 amp fuse in the thing when it keeps blowing and you wanna just kill the part (or smoke the transformer like a dumbass)Making a solid copper fuse with a little insulated pull handle on it almost sounds useful for some repair work, maybe combined with a dim bulb limiter or whatever, just because its easier to remove later then having to extract a fuse with a tool. Perhaps I will just put a zip tie or two on a 20 amp ceramic fuse to make a ez-pull fuse jumper.....(I don't actually care what happens if you can get the resistance under the resistance of a 20 amp fuse lol)

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 04:49:21 am
content: Quote from: wraper on April 10, 2025, 02:33:13 pmWhat's the go with that power lead? It's as thin as anything!

author: amyk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 06:08:25 am
content: It's what doubles as the fuse

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 07:47:13 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on April 11, 2025, 04:49:21 amThat's by design, it's acting as an electron filter so only the most determined electrons will get through, the ones that provide the best audio quality at the other end.

author: JMK
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 07:47:34 am
content: I'm pleased you all like that site.Bookmark that site, so when you feel down and out; open it, read a couple of pages, then reach for a handkerchief to wipe away the tears of laughter.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 08:29:06 am
content: Actually the tube idea with a normal fuse holder works great because you can put a zip tie THROUGH the tube to make a ez pull fuse jumperI am gonna make one with one of my brass tubes after I silver plate it and leave it with the other esoteric tools like potentiometer adjuster and weird specialty probes and shuntswhich gave me another idea, to make a EZ-pull shunt fuse jumper kit, so you can have a assortment of different shunt values to measure current through the fuse holder with a nice wire that connects to some header pins soldered to two brass tube segments with a shunt in the middle and some header pins soldered on. I like shunts more then using the amps mode on a DMM personally, because it can be connected to a differential probe. If I had a kit of those laying around, I might actually be assed to gather inrush current data on equipment I test, otherwise its just too much workI actually kind of like the products in that shop lol, I like silver. At least they look niceDid anyone ever find a table that shows what cryo treating does to copper BTW? Is it even 0.1% better then IACS?Anyone wanna do a before and after impedance measurement for a copper sample after some liquid nitrogen dipping? (it does do something to steel, IDK if it does anything to copper). Cryo treating steel adjusts the toughness. Copper does best at maximum ductility for electronics. What happens to the atomic structure of copper if its been frozen for a long time?https://cryoplus.com/applications-welding.phpThey claim the resistance is lowered"Cryogenic processing delays the initial cracking and reduces the resistivity of the part. "Since it reduces cracking, it might also be a useful treatment for copper alloy connector fingers to increase their cycle life and durability.https://cryoplus.com/pdf/practical-welding-today.pdfIt would be interesting for something like primo grade bus barsSilver contacts are nice, so long its done with pure silver, not some BS jewlery shop runoffand if you actually read the article, there are two effects, one for chrome and nickel in copper alloy, and another effect in the copper. I imagine one day all of our wire will be cryo treated if the process becomes cheap enough some how and people will be saying the old wire and connectors suck.(it even improves bond adhesion of the plating)

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 11:46:06 am
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on April 11, 2025, 08:29:06 amI looked it up back when I first heard about liquid-nitrogen-dipped silver cables and was unable to find anything evidence-based about it. It was something that every audiofool inherently knew was a good thing without having to explain why.

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 11:48:51 am
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on April 11, 2025, 08:29:06 amThis is true, but you have to use liquid helium and then keep it at that temperature. Maybe they're relying on the metal having memory of the supercooling, like homeopathic water.I've been unable to find anything more on the topic beyond the articles by CryoPlus, entirely free of any kind of references to actual studies or research. There's a lot on cryogenic welding, and some on cryogenic processing of ferrous materials, but that seems to be about it.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 12:06:24 pm
content: Anyone want to buy the fuse that came with my HOPI? It's genuine copper and I've cryogenically treated it (honest), I can't vouch for the solder though. Special discount for EEVBLOG members!P.S. Hand crafted in China. You won't be able to afford workmanship like this anytime soon!

author: xrunner
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 12:29:22 pm
content: Key audiofool words and phrases to use if you want to write up product descriptions -contaminantscomprehensive redesignholographicSchumann ResonanceUltra Low-Frequency RF24k Goldlaid-back midrangeConvincingly portraysoundstagingelectromagnetically voiceddirectivity of the electromagnetic fieldsclarifying effectmusical balancegreater liquiditylow mechanical resonance chassisaircraft aluminumimmersivepure silver Air String geometriesnovel long-duration multi-channel high-frequency conditioning processflesh out rich harmonicssweeping frequency plotholographic realism and timbrel accuracyExample using the above phrases in a random fashion -We did a comprehensive redesign of our holographic Schumann Resonance Ultra Low-Frequency RF mainboard. The clarifying effect, musical balance, and greater liquidity affords you listening pleasure like no other. Aircraft aluminum and immersive pure silver Air String geometries gather musical force to flesh out rich harmonics.All for $22,350 for a limited time.See how easy you can use our writing system for audiofool products!

author: UnijunctionTransistor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 02:55:32 pm
content: In your comprehensive list you missed the oxygen-free copper.How could you have missed it!As punishment for your dastardly deed, you are condemned to listen to Rap music through some earbuds for a full day.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 04:09:49 pm
content: Quote from: UnijunctionTransistor on April 11, 2025, 02:55:32 pmPlease note that there are many legitimate uses for OFHC wire in electronic equipment, due to its mechanical properties.An informal test for OFHC vs ETP (normal) copper: take a rectangular strip of the copper, about 1/8" thick, and clamp it in a vise.Using a Vise-GripTM, bend the copper back and forth: the ETP will break in just a few cycles, due to work-hardening, while the OFHC will survive many cycles.

author: Kean
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 04:36:32 pm
content: Quote from: Halcyon on April 11, 2025, 04:49:21 amI gather it is just an earth connection, not a power lead. But the rather thin wire seems to negate any potential value of those expensive copper or silver busbars.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 07:56:08 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on April 11, 2025, 04:09:49 pmFor those (like me) who had no clue:OFHC = oxygen-free high thermal conductivityA "on unexplained acronym patrol" K

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 08:10:11 pm
content: OFHC is an abbreviation, not an acronym.ETP is the abbreviation for "electrolytic tough pitch".

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 09:58:17 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on April 11, 2025, 08:10:11 pmAre you sure it's not an initialism instead?Let's see how finely we can split that hair.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 11, 2025, 11:54:54 pm
content: liquid copper is like water and O2 is like CO2 and it behaves like seltzer. It needs to be vacuum processed to prevent O2 from being absorbed into it during casting. IDK about how it works from electrolytic deposition, but my experiments with thick electroformed copper make me feel that its not like proper copper sheet at all and generally had a 'expensive bon-bon wrapper' type feel to it and has a 'perforated' feel to it when you tear it while conventional copper is extremely gummy/sticky in comparison (like cutting gel sheet vs cutting crinkled foil).As far as gold, the general view of connector people is1) how to make it last long2) how to make it as thin as possible (cheap)3) needs to be compatible with conveyor belt processing for cheap shit (fast plate)They DO want a harder gold for sliding contacts, meaning nickel inclusion, but it also depends on how you deposit it (what chemicals, how nasty they are). 24k gold plating is soften and you start to need to combine it with lube (as a spec) to make it last similar to harder gold. Unless you make the soft gold (pure) really thick, then its probobly better lolThick gold has benefits as usual, for instance if you accidentally spark a connection (energized plug in). Thin gold might get vaporized, thick gold might survive. When you consider the engineering factors that people don't want to ever happen, it starts looking smarter...Someone should do cryo copper experiments because I am worried its a real process that does work thats getting involved in some gang war that I hardly care about

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2025, 05:51:25 am
content: Quote from: Analog Kid on April 11, 2025, 09:58:17 pmNo need to split hairs. Initialisms and acronyms are different kinds of abbreviations. Acronyms, by definition, are pronounceable.

author: 5U4GB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2025, 11:06:41 am
content: Quote from: TimFox on April 12, 2025, 05:51:25 amExcept for INTERCAL, which stands for Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym.

author: TimFox
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 12, 2025, 02:44:30 pm
content: Quote from: 5U4GB on April 12, 2025, 11:06:41 amIn other words, an oxymoron.An obsolete language I encountered once, with a self-referential name, is XINU: “XINU is not UNIX”.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2025, 01:53:07 pm
content: Quote from: coppercone2 on April 10, 2025, 09:46:31 pmReally?

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2025, 05:19:24 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 13, 2025, 01:53:07 pmI am still tired of them dragging possibly useful technologies like cryo treated nonferrous metals into the 'fray'. Its like dealing with parasites by exterminating a species

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 13, 2025, 08:14:17 pm
content: Quote from: TimFox on April 12, 2025, 02:44:30 pmWhereas GNU is recursive?"GNU's Not Unix"

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 14, 2025, 02:10:20 am
content: These silver fuses have some very interesting physical properties, which must be the key to their operation!Look closely at the picture. You can tell the blown fuses: their reflections are missing cores!

author: MrMobodies
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 24, 2025, 07:58:17 pm
content: https://www.kempelektroniksshop.com/synergistic-research-uef-performance-enhancer-ethernet-filter/QuoteQuoteOther Performance Enhancers also avalaible: USB, mains (EU Schuko and US mains plug), XLR male, XLR female and RCA.QuoteYes, when you are delusional and sick into believing this rubbish that every plug or connector "has" to be terminated with a ** capacitor and filter to give you a better "experience".

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: April 26, 2025, 08:37:06 pm
content: My friend, you're aware that you're picking low-hanging fruit here, yes?