Rishabh -  Rugged Digital Autoranging Multimeters [ From India ] - Page 1
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author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2013, 06:56:46 pm
content: Hi ,This thread will contain deals from us for " rishabh brand " multimeters proudly " made in india " .The " Rishabh India " Digital Autoranging Multimeter [ Rish Max 10 ]Pricing @ Rs : 1715/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :75/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 28/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download HereThe " Rishabh India " Autoranging Digital Multimeter [ Rish Max 14 TRMS ]Pricing @ Rs : 3670/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :75/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 60/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download HereThe " Rishabh India " Rugged Multimeter [ Rish Multi 11 ]Pricing @ Rs : 2905/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :125/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 46/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download Here!!! Where To Pitch This Multimeter !!!This is purely my way of thinking .If you have a good multimeter with all the fancy stuff in your business/profession/hobby and are looking around for a multimeter "thats rugged to toss around " look no further then the " rishabh muti 11 " .This multimeter gives you most basic measurement functions like voltage ac ,voltage dc , diode junction test , continuity and ohm range .The ampere range selector switch options are nulled out and the female sockets are protected with covers .Take a typical scenario like my office .I have a table in the middle of two tables with all fancy gadgets .The two tables on the both sides are for two " repair technicians " who only work "without a heart " and care two hoots for my gadgets and tools .This type of multimeter in thier hands can work for years they can try anything but they will not be able to destroy it .Typical example is shoving high ac/dc to ohm range etc .The " Rishabh India " Rugged Multimeter [ Rish Multi 12S ]Pricing @ Rs : 3305/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :125/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 54/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download HereThe " Rishabh India " Rugged Multimeter [ Rish Multi 13S ]Pricing @ Rs : 3570/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :125/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 57/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download HereThe " Rishabh India " Rugged Multimeter [ Rish Multi 14S ]Pricing @ Rs : 3700/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :125/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 60/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download HereThe " Rishabh India " - Rugged Digital Multimeter [ Rish Multi 15S ]Pricing @ Rs : 4955/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :125/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 81/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download HereThe " Rishabh India " - Rugged Autoranging Digital Multimeter [ Rish Multi 16S ]Pricing @ Rs : 8070/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :125/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 131/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download HereThe " Rishabh India " - Rugged Digital Multimeter [ Rish Multi 18S-ir ]Pricing @ Rs : 12840/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :125/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 208/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download HereNote :There are two models 18S And 18S-ir " Indian Railways Approved " ,I have no idea whats the difference yet .I am finding this info "Have emailed " .The 18S-ir model is ready stock thoughThe " Rishabh India " - Digital Multimeter [ Rish Multi 20 ]Pricing @ Rs : 15865/- + Taxes 5% + Shipping Rs :125/- [ All India ]Buy Now @ Ebay India ->Click Here To Buy" Approx Rate Is : USD 257/- + Shipping "Datasheet For Technical Specs ->Please Download HereDetailed Teardown + Review Coming Soon !!!

author: mianchen
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2013, 09:16:31 pm
content: MetraHIT knock off?

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2013, 10:11:13 pm
content: Quote from: mianchen on October 02, 2013, 09:16:31 pmWellYou possibly did not research on the forum we have discussed it earlier too . I have these in stock and will be adding 1 model daily till the 5 5/4 digit rishabh 20

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2013, 10:12:44 pm
content: This Is Genuinely Hard For Me To Read.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 02, 2013, 10:14:23 pm
content: Quote from: c4757p on October 02, 2013, 10:12:44 pmSir ,You can download the datasheet .link is there in the post

author: Dave
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 02:47:19 am
content: Quote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 02, 2013, 10:14:23 pmHe is referring to the fact that you capitalized every single word in that post.Please take the time to readthis.Quote

author: grenert
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 02:58:58 am
content: Quote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 02, 2013, 10:11:13 pmAll we've heard from you are vague claims from Rishabh about "German partners" but no evidence from the German side of that partnership that such a relationship ever existed. Also, we've never seen the insides of one of these Rishabh meters to see if they resemble a Gossen on the inside.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 03:25:11 am
content: It certainly looks very close to a genuine Gossen.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 04:53:14 am
content: Quote from: grenert on October 03, 2013, 02:58:58 amWellThey are lined up for a review you will see everything soon .btw its crazy to be a dealer and post on eevblog fake news/stuff .i for sure do not have the balls for that .dave is right these are older gossens i will add 1 new product daily for sale and when all of these are lined up here i will do a teardown for you guys but i can give you pictures before too no issues

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 05:37:28 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 03, 2013, 03:25:11 amDave ,Most of The Models They Have Share the same pcb layout and circuit kinda .Some of them are limited in one way then the other .There are TRMS models also .Most of Them Are 3¾ 3100 counts ,But We Also Have 4¾ digit 31000 count and 1 Model Thats 5¾ 309999 counts High Precision Multimeter.Each And Every Model Is In stock And i am trying to source the RS232 communication modules and also Accessories .

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 05:47:08 am
content: Quote from: Dave on October 03, 2013, 02:47:19 amPlease?The caps hurt our sensitive eyes. AlsoIfYouInsistOnWritingThatWaySomePeopleJustMightSkipYourPostsWhichisProbablyNotAGoodThingForTheBusinessSideOfThings. Thank you for your consideration.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 05:52:18 am
content: Quote from: grenert on October 03, 2013, 02:58:58 amI have asked Gossen, lets see what they say...

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 06:06:13 am
content: Quote from: mrflibble on October 03, 2013, 05:47:08 amI guess this is sort of Indian's cultural thingy, they seems to love making "eye catchy" post.Save your breath, he had been told for ages here in this forum, likethisorthis here... and too many others as well.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 06:59:46 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 03, 2013, 06:06:13 amSir ,Your Concern That i Write In Title Case Is Not Wrong .Apologies If You Find My Posts Not Readable .This is The Way I Write .You Can Check My Blog And My Website Most of It Is Title Case .Regarding The Second Thing "Where You Are Posting A Shit Chinese Multimeter " And Comparing It To Fluke Is Offending " .I Sure Am Not That Regular With Posting Here But i Know What Is What .Rishabh Is Not a " Knockoff " .Rishabh Multimeters Are The Backbone Of Repair And Maintenance Industry In My Country Approved By All Government ,Millitary And Other Departments Like Railways "Infact They Have Two Models 18S And 18IR "IR Here Stands For Indian Railways Approved For Maintenance " . Before You Post Such Rubbish You Should Do Some Research And Then Post .Please Check This Page And Have a Look At Some Of The Testings Done By Certain Labs Here in India ->http://rishabh.co.in/index.php/downloads.Each Country Has Its Own Set Standards And Its Own Way Of Calibrating Stuff .For Your Info Each Multimeter With The Exception Of Max 10 And Max 14 You Get Proper "Certified And Signed " Calibration Certificate .The Max 10 And Max 14 Also You Can Get Calibration Certificate "On Demand /After Payment/Testing " .To Know More About Calibration Procedure Of Rishabh Please Read This ->http://rishabh.co.in/index.php/support/view/6.If My eyes Serve Me Correct The Rishabh Multimeters Are Calibrated Using " Fluke 5500A " .Before A Wise Man Comments " Oh Fluke Calibration Equiptment " Lol Please Read And Research They Have Virtually Purchased Every Good Calibration Company Out There .Even Agilent Calibrates Using Fluke Stuff ,That Does Not Make Agilent a Useless Brand .I Was Thinking I Will Post All The Goodness I Am Collecting For You People At Night Time everyday After i Have Spend My Day In Office "Making My Bread And Butter " .But i Now Will Do It Right Away To Prove This Man Wrong .Please Check Some Pictures In Real Life Of The Collection Of Stuff Lined For Sale And Review/Teardown .Might Be You Will Learn To Calm Down Do Some Research And Then Post .I Appreciate The Knowledge You Have But i Do Not Appreciate The Way You Responded To This .Apologies The Way i Write Though .@ Everyone Else " Gimme Some Time I Have Collected Some DMM Testing Products From Voltage Standard Etc And i Will Do The Best I Can For a Real Teardown Review Of This Product " . Useless Products Should Not Be Sold And Good Products Should Be Given Some Attention They Deserve "I Believe As Such Cos I Am Also Into Repairs Myself And Know/Have Experienced Such T&M Equipment ,But i Am Not Bill Gates With All The Money And Speed " .Here Are Some Of The Pictures .In This Entire Picture The Max 10 Is Missing Cos Its Sold Out And Replacements Are Coming .The Entire Line Of Rish Max And Rish Multi Multimeters

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 07:04:05 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 03, 2013, 05:52:18 amDave ,Thats Great Love To Get Some Input From You On This .BTW i Am Just About To Open a Rish Multi 20 Inside Out For You And Specially For Our Mate " Bravo V " Who Possibly Had a Fight With Someone in The Morning And Flushed It Unleashed it On My Poor Soul HereOn EEvblog And Post Here Briefly But i Will Do a Complete Teardown/Review Slowly "Who Knows Better Then You It Takes Time ".Cheers Mate

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 07:04:28 am
content: In my experience, India doesn't really copy western products, like China has been doing. The country prefers to buy the rights to manufacture old technology of interest, like Honda's old motorbike engines, for instance.It is very likely that Gossen sold the original DMM molds and technology to Rishabh, on the understanding that the meters wouldn't be sold outside India.

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 07:08:30 am
content: QuoteGod damn it. You're writing to a worldwide audience, not to Indian only viewers.Have some respect. If I were the owner of this forum I honestly would have banned you already, regardless of how good your contributions are. Saying "that's how I do it in my country" or "that's how I was educated" is no excuse.If you're really that stuck on writing like that, type your message, then copy it and paste it in a site ConvertCase :http://www.convertcase.net/which will instantly fix your uppercase problems.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 07:10:16 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 03, 2013, 07:04:28 amWell,You Nailed Is Correctly .But There Is a Twist In This One .If i Can Recall Those Days They Had Partnership " Even They Had The Same Models " .I Think After The Partnership was terminated/Dissolved " God Knows What They Moved To Newer Versions Of The Multimeters .Dave Wanted Some Internal Pics .I Am Doing It Right Now .I Also Owe a Cup Of Cold Coffee To My MAte Bravo Here Seriously Man Why Was He So Fumed On My Posts

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 07:12:09 am
content: Quote from: mariush on October 03, 2013, 07:08:30 amMaurish ,I will try my best .While replying i already did .Will try and also ammend the posts .I will try that site too you recommended .Now let me hop on the saddle and click some picturesEdit : awesome website " just solved my problem

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 08:10:10 am
content: Hi Guys ,Please find a brief teardown of the Rish Multi 20 from my side .Pictures and brief details of the same would be posted .The proper review will take time .Some Of The Specs Of This Multimeter Are As FollowingBrief Specs5¾ 309999 counts High Precision Multimeter ( V A Ohm Hz F °C Diode) Direct Amp. measurement upto 10A, Triple display of V, Hz or V and Min/Max. RMS with distorted wave, Continuity, Dutycycle, DataHold, Auto/Manual range, °C(PT100/1000), overload warning, Auto off. Cat III/IV "The Box Packing Of The Rishabh Rish Multi 20The box itself is of good hard cardboard but without any kind of internal packing protection .That i think is must but i have never seen any kinda damage whatsoever .The protective cover that feels so awesome has spare fuses " 2 units " ,belt for the rubber holster " that i have not figured out how to use lol .The cell " that i had already put inside the multimeter " it was a duracell pro series but i have no idea if its always duracell .The manual , the calibration certificate and the warranty card "it has 3 years warranty .The Sticker On The Box PackingThe box itself has a sticker that gives you the company information and also some other details .Might be the product code is similiar to some models of gossen " i am just thinking not sure though " .The Inside Guts Of Packing And ContentsThe inside of the rish multi 20 packing has the following stuff multimeter , the rubber holster "i bet this one is gonna be one of the best you ever see ,gossen users might shed some light here " , the belt " which i have no clue to to attach to the rubber holster " , two fuses , cell " that was installed already as explained " , warranty leaflet , manual of multimeter , calibration certificate [ recommended recalibration is 1 year after put to use ] , mutlimeter probe .As you see most of the contents are inside the hollow area of the rubber holster and the multimeter has its face up with the manuals , warranty leaflet and calibration certificate .This make damage very impossible though things do happen .The Calibration Certificate " Traceable To NABL National/International StandardsThis message if for bravov " boss garbage stuff does not provide national/international calibration certificates " in thier packing's .Next time you jump up on your chair with a stick in your hand trying to thrash someone "use your anger for something constructive " .Guys rishabh recommends you recalibrate the multimeter after putting to use every 1 year .The Manly Beast In My Hands "Yup It Feels Great "This multimeter feels very solid in your hands .You will love the manly solid feel of the same .Texture is matt type . The rotatory knob feels great and is a very unique design .The lcd on the top is clear "but becomes more clearer in certain angles " that are provided by the rubber holster .There are 4 buttons on the top with different functions .More about those in detailed review / teardown .This model is true rms and the red female hole protection covers are on the milli amp and amp ranges .They slide to other hole when you select milli and normal amps .So no more issues with fitting the probe in the wrong place and busting the multimeter .Some people in the olden times had commented that the images of the posts were doctered "that time i was not selling these now i am and this is a live instrument in my hand .The Rish Multi 20 Multimeters BacksideThere is nothing fancy out there but it does have marking of many functions like backlight on/off , switching auto off mode off ,zeroing some ranges etc etc .Even if you do not plan to use the rubber holster its a solid chunk of plastic no issuesUnder Update ...

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 09:35:11 am
content: Apologies ,Have so much pending work at office will continue with the pictures and posting @ night today .Its 3:05 Afternoon here in india .

author: nukie
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 03, 2013, 10:13:13 pm
content: They clearly and proudly state that its a technology replicated from Gossen. Its all over the internet. Do you think that the Germans would sit and do nothing? They are not newly wed couples, they actually started working together on analog meters in the early 90s.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2013, 04:26:48 am
content: Quote from: nukie on October 03, 2013, 10:13:13 pmBoss ,Some members jump to conclusions much too faster .Sure its from gossen " technology transfer " .Its just that no dealer member earlier has done anything constructive to let the worlds audience know " rishabh " is there .Anyway today i will complete the brief teardown that i started on the rish multi 20 and also update post no 1 with few more models that are up for sale on my ebay store in india .International customers can pm me for sales request " i regret that i will not be able to fulfill all international purchase requests " .Testing all the models with my " voltage standard " pentaref and dmm check plus yields good results .If anyone is interested in something specific they can ask me in this thread

author: ddavidebor
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2013, 04:58:22 am
content: Quote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 03, 2013, 08:10:10 amHow much $$?

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2013, 07:38:19 am
content: @ddavidebor ,The same Is Rs :15865/- " Approx USD 258/- " .Where are you from ? . Let me know so that i could give you shipping estimate .If you need the datasheet of this model the same is ->here.Material is ready stock with me for this model and i can do the shipping within 3 days of payment .I also wanted to show you the digit count in DC Voltage an also how the multimeter looks actually once shoved into its rubber holster .Please check these two PICS " Let me know if you need a picture with probes inside the multimeter too "The Multimeter Rish Multi 20 in its Rubber HolsterThe Rishmulti 20's DC Voltage " 5¾ Digit 309999 Count "

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2013, 08:28:24 am
content: The price is quite high for an old technology meter made in India. When you add shipping and insurance costs, not to mention the difficulty of having it repaired under warranty, international interest will wane rapidly.You are now in Sanwa PC7000, Amprobe AM140 and Brymen territory, with modern meters.http://www.ebay.com/itm/Greenlee-DM-860A-Industrial-500-000-Count-Digital-Multimeter-NEW-FREE-S-H-/200965989558?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eca81a4b6http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amprobe-AM-140-A-TRMS-Digital-Multimeter-/190914204675?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c735f9403http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sanwa-PC7000-Digital-Multimeter-/321160676954?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item4ac6ab065aAre you going to show us the PCB and internal construction?

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2013, 08:37:56 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 04, 2013, 08:28:24 amSure ,I know that would like to tell all international friends out there that if anyone is importing " Multimeter " in india the custom import duty is approx 26% + Shipping he has to pay .So when you talk of greenlees Aka brymens etc they are very very expensive in india .For people who are in better places then india can enjoy such pricing but this is not like that in india .For us Rishabh is a better choice cos service is excellent .This theory depends on location of the person .I hope you agree on this .You also need to consider the fact that there are other multimeters also we have though not listed here starting USD 46/- " Thats not a bad choice at all " .I still have to list lots of stuffEDit : Sorry did not see that last line you wrote " You wanted to see internal PCB " .The Rishabh Rish Multi 20 " Internal PCB Layout "The Rishabh Rish Multi 20 " Protection Section "

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2013, 08:39:02 am
content: Quote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 03, 2013, 08:10:10 amOk, my apology, this one definitely far more "convincing" compared to those "Fukes", I withdraw my accusation, again, sorry, my mistake.Now, impress us by doing a "proper teardown" with "tons" of macro/close up photoshots at the circuit board so we can see the components in detail and even better read the components label clearly.Not sure if your iphone camera capable to do that kind of close up shot, you should use/borrow better camera and the most important thing is to use tripod when shooting, this is needed in order to show the level of details needed especially at component's label. You don't need DSLR, a good point & shoot camera should be enough. I don't claim mine is the best, but this exampleHEREshould be a hint on how to do a decent teardown at least for me, and how to do close-up shots of a DMM in detail.PS : I can see you've stopped using cap at every word, good, please stop that, otherwise that are very-very annoying to read for non Indian like most of us, really. As a sales person, the last thing to do is to annoy your potential customers, you do agree right ?Quote from: Wytnucls on October 04, 2013, 08:28:24 am+1, agree with Wytnucls on the price, its a bit too high for this class of 5.X digits DMM at the international market. Not sure in India.Now do your homework to impress us by showing detail teardown photoshoots, if it impresses me and the price is "right", I may order one from you.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2013, 08:50:25 am
content: QuoteOk, my apology, this one definitely far more "convincing" compared to those "Fukes", I withdraw my accusation, again, sorry, my mistake.Now, impress us by doing a "proper teardown" with "tons" of macro/close up photoshots at the circuit board so we can see the components in detail and even better read the components label clearly. If sparks my interest, I may order one from you directly.Not sure if about your iphone camera capable to do that kind of close up shot, you should use/borrow better camera and the most important thing is to use tripod when shooting, this is needed in order to show the level of details needed especially at component's label. You don't need DSLR, a good point & shoot camera should be enough. I don't claim mine is the best, but this exampleHEREshould be a hint on how to do a decent teardown at least for me, and how to do close-up shots of a DMM in detail.PS : I can see you've stopped using cap at every word, good, please stop that, otherwise that are very-very annoying to read for non Indian like most of us, really. As a sales person, the last thing to do is to annoy your potential customers, you do agree right ?Quote from: Wytnucls on October 04, 2013, 08:28:24 am+1, agree with Wytnucls on the price, its a bit too high for this class of 5.X digits DMM at the international market. Not sure in India.Now do your homework to impress us by showing detail teardown photoshoots, if it impresses me and the price is "right", I may order one from you.Hi ,Thats kind of you bossie .I have a " Video Camera " that would be in my hands next week .I also have " USB Microscope " from "Intel made by Maddel USA " And also a good Benq camera that i am sure will do the needful .i would still like to say that the "Rishabh Multi 11 " is a great product for all of you who have already one good Multimeter like the brymens Etc .Why ? - cos its very nicely priced USD 46 is a joke for this .Anyway i have all what you need from me for a proper review .Just need need a calm day like a sunday ,folks from eevblog online on my laptop and a cup of coffee

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 04, 2013, 05:36:17 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on October 04, 2013, 11:20:24 amNo offense but i think being with dave and the crew here has atleast given me onething " be truthful do not bullshit " . I am a electronic buff first and a salesmen second when i review i will be truthful

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 05, 2013, 04:05:07 pm
content: This car is very cherry, only driven by an old lady to church on Sundays.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 09:07:04 am
content: Thanks for the PCB pictures. It would be interesting to compare it to the original equivalent Gossen. One thing that worries me is the 10A current shunt. It looks like a piece of ordinary wire strung across the PCB. All the Gossen meters I have seen, have a proper current shunt installed.

author: georgedone
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 02:17:02 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on October 07, 2013, 08:52:53 amI doubt even a small percentage on this forum would consider buying one of those DMM without Dave dissecting one. They are not that cheap to take a risk with it, especially looking at alternatives available in the same price range.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 02:45:47 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 07, 2013, 09:07:04 amHi ,Remember there are older gossens and the newer once .This technilogy is basically the older one .Would like to inform everyone that i had to go out of station for two days due to death of my best friends dad .So please expect some teardown and review by this weekend .@ mojo-chan : One day he also did not have credentials then he worked hard and made them .So please let me too make a review and if you are not satisfied we will give it a though .@ georgedone : The idea is to let you people know that such kind of meter is there in india .There is great sales of this product in india .I am not too keen in international sales as i have clearly stated in my opening posting .India is a hard country as far as imports/exports are concerned .

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 03:51:15 pm
content: QuoteSir ,I never said anything i am yet to review/teardown .I also never disagreed with your viewpoint all i am saying is that i am on the job .BTW @ All : I have added the " Rish Max " series also to the opening post with pricing .I am now adding other models in the "Rish Multi " series .If i have the energy i will finish the posting of all the models with pricing .

author: jadew
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 04:50:12 pm
content: They look decent on the inside, I don't know why you guys are giving him such a hard time.As for the current shunt, it's possible they are able to calibrate it from the amplification stage and don't need the shunt to have an exact value. It wouldn't be surprising that that's how it was done in the original meters as well.Anyway, best way to know for sure is to take an older (original one) apart and compare, however I tend to trust his claims.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 04:58:30 pm
content: The shunt wire doesn't need to have an exact value, but it would need to have a low tempco to serve any useful purpose. Waiting to see if the original Gossen was built like that too, before passing judgment.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 07, 2013, 05:16:32 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 07, 2013, 04:58:30 pmWell,The Rishabh multimeters can be calibrated "Fine Tuned " using some software/hardware interface @ rishabh factory in nasik in india .This is different from the calibration they do with the fluke stuff later on .The later on stage they check if the tuning was within specs .May i know whats your reservation on the current shunt ? .@ All,I have added all the models i have and possibly they have in multimeters .Each and every multimeter is in stock with me and i can get replacement supplies ASAP within 3 to 7 days if i am outstocked .Please check post no 1 for more details and let me know if you indeed find some issues somewhere in the posting .To error is human and i will correct it .

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 11:06:46 am
content: I have an official response from Gossen about this, and I will quote them:QuoteThere you go, these meters are NOT legit!

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 11:36:32 am
content: Quote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 02, 2013, 06:56:46 pmAmarbir, I guess its time to edit out those highlighted words above and this thread title after reading the official statement from Gossen, otherwise it will be an embarrassment, at least for your advertisement here."Assuming" you didn't make these up yourself, you should file an official complain back to Rishabh demanding an answer, don't you think ?Expecting to hear the reply from Rishabh, hope you can quote them here once you received it.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 12:17:23 pm
content: QuoteBravoV ,Let me come back from the bank will check and edit .But i think "Lot of stuff should be same " .This teardown is gonna be awesome .Now how many of you here have the series 10 multimeters gossen sold out here on eevblog .@ Dave :Dave if its a redesign of something they made ages ago no one can say its not legit .Of course its legit as its there design now i think so .As saying to BravoV this teardown is gonna be awesome .Sure the technology initially was totally german "With there assistance " .Rishabh is not affliated to gossen for sure these days . Some other pointsQuoteWell,This clearly shows that it was there design .But once the processor became EOL and they parted ways they used most of the stuff " I am assuming that " and used a new processor and coded the mcu to fit and be used in this multimeter .Hence technology definately is/was german .Though we should not use the gossen word in the thread for sure .Once i do the teardown and if we have someone who had the series 10 multimeter we can easily find out whats what .BTW if we see the externals its more or less the same .What are you comments on this dave .Note :Will edit the words mentioning gossen from the thread once back from the bank .If the germans want to say its not german technology then be it lets see what juice these multimeters have when we review tear these down .

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 12:25:04 pm
content: Well you basically got busted. Send Dave one to review, and we'll see if they are any good. No one is going to belief your teardown now after the reply from Gossen, sorry. If you are serious you should let someone independent review it.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 01:14:48 pm
content: Quote from: con-f-use on October 08, 2013, 12:25:04 pmLol ,Busted ? how come .One company in india is making them ,Most government organisations in india use them "The multimeters are " approved by them " .They have tonns of international distributors .The only thing gossen is saying thatQuoteAccording to what dave is saying i can only get the following info " The rish max and rish multi " multimeters are not series 10 gossens right ? .lets see that when we do a teardown .Instead of writing posts like this help your friend here by providing more details of the multimeter series they are talking about .I am quite sure someone will surely have them ,they have sold them in tonns .BTW when gossen actually had the technical understanding they talk about with rishabh "that time rishabh was producing exactly the same series 10 IMHO " . Its about time this week we Find out whats what ? .

author: tehmeme
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 01:28:35 pm
content: Amarbir,Talk about tenacious!In case you're not getting the message, let me summarise:- I think you should give up the sales pitch, get rid of any "German technology" claims so you don't get legally spanked if you try to export as you are doing now.- Stop trying to convince people that "it is based on", "modified", "redesigned" or otherwise,you've already lost people's trust!- Get it independently reviewed based on it's own merit(s) by someone your prospective clientele trusts (like Dave or the few other good reviewers out there). Your own tear-down and claims won't help since you've a vested interest.- Revise your price point, possibly look into a tax refund for exports purposes? Even if the DMM is good, there is no way you will compete against what is already internationally available- Stop annoying people by quarrelling and quibbling about what they say, this is an EE forum,listento your prospective clientele.The hard sell only works when you have already established trust!Only after you do all of that and a little more (since you already pissed people off) will you get trust back and possibly a customer or 2.Edit: The initial issue was the company's (and generally India's electronics) preconceived negative image with exaggerated claims safety etc. Instead of remedying this you only confirmed that image.

author: mamalala
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 01:47:20 pm
content: Quote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 08, 2013, 01:14:48 pmThat is _not_ what Gossen says in the quote. What they say is that they gave them a license to build the series 10, but the thing was then redesigned by Rishabh since the used processor was EOL. So in the end, what Rishabh produced was never a series 10 unit, contrary to what they licensed:".. thus their series 10 multimeters are not the same as those they bought the license for .."And note that the license agreement seems to be only for the series 10 anyways. While claiming that their series 10 is based on Gossen's or German technology is already borderline to fraudulent, claiming the same for anything else _is_ fraudulent.Or in short: They are lying.Greetings,Chris

author: mamalala
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 02:02:41 pm
content: Oh, and there might be a chance that their stuff will be blocked at the German border by the "Zoll" here, in case Gossen files (or already filed) a complaint with the authorities against that manufacturer. That means that given the actual facts, there is some risk in trying to get these to Germany (and maybe other countries as well, whi knows...)Greetings,Chris

author: tehmeme
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 02:23:24 pm
content: Quote from: mamalala on October 08, 2013, 02:02:41 pmThis would be EU wide & not restricted to Germany. It depends how rigorously the respective border agencies comply with EU cooperation directives. The UKBA is pretty good like that.

author: mamalala
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 02:32:36 pm
content: Quote from: tehmeme on October 08, 2013, 02:23:24 pmThat's quite possible, of course. I was just referring to the german Zoll because i know that they have their own department that handles such cases, but i don't know if they would escalate it up to the EU level or if the complaining company has to do that. That's the silly part about the EU. While there are tons of EU wide regulations, there are also tons of exceptions for the member nations where they apply local law instead.Greetings,Chris

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 03:14:58 pm
content: QuoteBoss ,Noted this has already been removed from the initial post .Rest you me and everyone can find out once the teardown follows simple ..QuoteBoss ,I am now assuming people do not read the entire thread they read portions what either make the party look " at fault " or "ok " .Let me say this again i am selling and was selling " Rishabh India " multimeters and not "Gossen " .Whether the multimeters have "traces of gossens technology " can only be seen when there is a detailed teardown/review .I wish Dave should have let me do a tearndown/review before writing ,but no problem i will do that anyway .I am not posting this to win people's trust .I am doing this because i am selling "Rishabh India " products in routine in my area and indiawide .QuoteWell,Until and unless there is a teardown posted by me and a review posted you cannot say that cos you have no idea what i will say in the teardown or the review .So in this case i would say please reserve your judgement and have patience till sunday evening .QuoteSir ,Did you read some of my older posts .I was clear enough that i am not interested in international sales too much myself due to the fact that india has very strict export laws .I will repeat this again .Some people will say why post it then .The answer would be " We have many EEVBLOG indians like me on this forum " .QuoteSir ,i have not fought with anyone .If you see the entire thread you will notice the only thing i am saying is that we have something interesting " Made in india " and i would like a opportunity to test/review it .QuoteSir ,No comments ,i have already made a point that i wanted to in all the posts i have made here .Trust me wait till sunday .QuoteWell,Once we test the same we will subject the multimeters to all the tortures you can think of .If you folks can do it so can we .The only mistake i have made in this entire episode " I think is that i should have done a teardown/review beforehand ,so that i could save myself from such posts and we could collectively see the merits/demerits of these multimeters .

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 03:29:35 pm
content: QuoteChris ,They are saying thisQuoteSo the question is straight forward1 : Is the Rishabh Still using gossen technology ?2 : If " Rishabh " is having a Circuit solution totally different then "gossen" does this multimeter have anything good/bad/great in it .How does it fare against current competition .3 : Is it rugged enough as i have been talking about ? .4 : And might be a few more questions that we mutually might come to

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 03:41:59 pm
content: @ All,Some of the very senior members of our forum long time back had a feeling that the images of the Rish Multi 20 were doctored .Please read this thread ->https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/rishabh-multimeters-from-india-(-open-house-discussion-)/.Please find below the pictures of real Rishabh " Rish Multi 20 " .Note :Robnez sir ,Free Electron sir " If you need some more pictures of the "Rish Multi 20 " series let me know .I can even click those dual display type LCD images if you like to .Would like to tell everyone that i have collected everything now for me to start the teardown/review

author: mamalala
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 04:12:40 pm
content: Quote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 08, 2013, 03:29:35 pmOne must wonder what your reeason is for stating "they are saying this" and then quote yourself instead of what they actually wrote in their reply to Dave. Admitted, english is not my first language, so maybe a native speaker will correct me here. So, _this_ is what they actually said:Quote.Unless i have some problems understanding those rather simple sentences, they are saying the following:- Rishabh has nothing to do with Gossen- Rishabh got cease and desist letters for claiming what they claim- Rishabh got a license to manufature the series 10 multimeters many years ago- Rishabh got that license for India _only_- Rishabh redesigned the series 10 before Gossen phased them out- Due to the redesign, their series 10 meters are not what they got a license for- Gossen continues telling them to stop bullshiting around about German technologySo, they _only_ have a license for the old series 10, and _only_ in India. However, the series 10 they sell is _not_ what they got the license for. For everything else that resembles Gossen meters: they don't have any license for that at all, so it's bordering (at least) on counterfeiting Gossen products.Now, initially you claimed their meters were the result of licensing from / cooperation with Gossen, and that they use German technology. This is obviously wrong, as showed above by what Gossen has to say about it. This leaves exactly two possibilities:Rishabh is still lying to people that their meters are the result of a cooperation/licensing with Gossen, despite the cease and desist letters they got and still get from Gossen. Consequently, they told you the same, and you in turn perpetrated that lie without checking.-OR-You made that part up on your own.Neither of these two possibilities put you in a good light here. The first one means that you can be fooled far too easily and thus lack the capacity to do simple checks on your own, the second one means that you have no problems with lying to people just to increase your sales.You choose...Greetings,ChrisEdit: Forgot to mention: It's questionable if they even have a valid license to the series 10 meters anymore. By the looks of it they messed up the deal, and thus Gossen could be in a aposition to revoke that license.

author: con-f-use
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 04:14:49 pm
content: At this point there is nothing further to say. I'd advise to let this thread die.

author: Attorney
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 05:53:24 pm
content: Am I the only one here who detests auto-ranging DMMs? Compared with many slow-ranging DMMs, I find troubleshooting goes faster when I select my own range. Of course, that requires some knowledge about the expected range of values to select but comes with time and experience. Even the manual override button on many auto-ranging DMMs seems too cumbersome. Give me an old Fluke 8060A over any auto-ranging DMM.Paul

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 06:13:46 pm
content: Quote from: Attorney on October 08, 2013, 05:53:24 pmPaulMany people prefer manual ranging multimeters .I am myself a hardcore fan of Analog multimeters that are manual ranging but in digital once i like autoranging cos i myself use a protek 608 and its a fast multimeter .In these rishabs i find the resistance autoranging much slower then my protek but i am yet to experiment with the manual ranges if selected .The rishabhs can go from auto to manual ranges also

author: Stonent
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 08, 2013, 07:32:14 pm
content: He may have a perfectly good multimeter, but given his deception, I'll never buy it.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 03:02:45 am
content: Quote from: Stonent on October 08, 2013, 07:32:14 pmWellI have said all what we are told .I am not the manufacturer of these just a seller.Initially few months back it was said that images are doctured . I added real life photos now in the thread .no offence but people who said they are doctored did not comment why so ?.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 03:26:51 am
content: Quote from: Attorney on October 08, 2013, 05:53:24 pmHave you used any high-end meters with fast auto-ranging like the successor to the old Fluke 8060A (Fluke 87)? Or is this comment based on some crappy low-end DMMs? Didn't the 8060A have an undocumented auto-ranging mode for DCV only, or am I confusing it with another high-end Fluke handheld from that era?Quote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 09, 2013, 03:02:45 amYour picture proves their point. The digits from the datasheet picture do not match your picture (compare the zeros), so the picture in the datasheet is clearly fake/manipulated. If they can't even get this picture right, then that does not instill confidence in the accuracy of their datasheet.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 04:04:47 am
content: I would give Amarbir a break here. His first language is not English and his culture is not the same as much of the world. With this in mind it is easy to see how problems with communication can happen. Of course this doesn't mean that anyone should buy these unknown meters but give the guy a bit of a break.I am intrigued with these meters but I don't feel like gambling any money on them myself.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 05:03:58 am
content: Amarbir, do you still planning to post those close-up shots as you promised ?

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 05:11:17 am
content: I don't quite get the chronology of events here.Facts:Gossen sold the rights to Rishabh to manufacture the series 10 meters for the Indian market only.The main processor became unavailable after the agreement between the companies.Questions:When did the agreement come into effect? How long was it valid for?When did the processor reach end-of-life manufacture?When did Gossen stop the sale of series 10 DMMs?When did Rishabh start to modify original PCB layouts?Did Gossen and Rishabh know the main IC had a time-limited availability at the time of the deal?It seems to me that there may have been a dispute when Gossen modified their series 10 DMMs to accommodate the new IC and Rishabh decided for a cheaper solution and installed their own IC instead, in effect creating a different multimeter, contrary to the original agreement.

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 05:16:44 am
content: Amarbir:I have an idea and has been said before, send a meter to Dave, or me, or Martin Lorton for a review. Or get Rishabh to send one. Without an impartial review you have almost zero chance of anyone buying one of these here. The price is not so low that people will take chance.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 05:24:23 am
content: I think he emphasized this repeatedly that he is not interested on selling these DMM out side of India, hence, no review unit for external (international) parties. At least this is my impression, correct me if I'm wrong.Btw, does this forum have many members from India ?

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 05:34:33 am
content: I thought you were from India, Bravo...

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 05:34:55 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on October 09, 2013, 05:16:44 amWith Gossen's statement, I don't think Rishabh has the ball to do this "officially" by sending their DMM directly to external parties across India's border, especially this means it will generate a potential commercial transactions across countries.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 05:37:59 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 09, 2013, 05:34:33 amGeen my vriend, jy raai dit verkeerd. Eintlik is sy baie ver van dit.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 05:47:50 am
content: I don't think anybody would be interested in an overpriced Rishabh-designed PCB, even if it sits in a Gossen Metrahit enclosure.The meters of interest, to me at least, would be the old ones, made according to the original Gossen blueprint.

author: pickle9000
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 06:00:37 am
content: This is a very interesting thread. I wonder how much information about the original design was shared? Did they train staff for the company from India? Did the engineers from India get training or access to Gossen EE's? For any company to get access to that kind of info could really get your foot in the door. As for redesign, changing a processor and rewriting the software that's nothing. It's what's around the the thing in this case that makes the difference. Gossen says it's different meter because of a processor change? Maybe that's a good way to handle it.I am not on either side (so far) but it's a really good story.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 09:10:54 am
content: QuoteAlm Sir ,Regards i did not get the point sir ? . The image says 0.00048 and my image says 0.00001 .After the decimal there are 5 digits to the right in both images .Are you talking about the digitals elsewhere ? .I could not get it

author: poorchava
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 09:41:47 am
content: I think getting one of those maters could cause some problems in EU, is Gossen filed appropriate papers. Rishabh has only India-wide licence for series 10. Series 10, whether redesigned or not is still series 10 as long as it's marketed as such or resembles it closely enough.There might be also some patent infringement involved. By getting licence for one product line and one country, Rishabh got right to use Gossen's pattented technologies in that one product line in that one country. Using the same patented technologies in other product lines and other countries still may constitute patent infringement in some countries.So even if the new meters are not Gossen's design (which may very well be true), they still might contain some techniques that Rishabh engineers learned from Gossen's products and which are still patented.If I were Rishabh and wanted to enter worldwide market, I'd first check my designs against patents owned by larger companies (Fluke, Agilent, etc) that are pertinent to each design and check whether that product is infringing any patent or not.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 10:01:14 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on October 09, 2013, 05:16:44 amNo offense ,Were have you been lightages " they have been whipping me left and right ".Once you see my review and incase you still feel i will give that a shot .Remember i am a seller not distributor .This stuff sells well in india hence no tension of international sales much as stated before .

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 01:28:44 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on October 09, 2013, 12:56:48 pmMojo-chan ,Why are you so bothered about this ? . I know you have said more then 5 times you do not trust me and all of that .I am not a kid and i do not get provoked by stuff like this .If you are talking about trust here you go ->http://feedback.ebay.in/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=lynx-india&ftab=AllFeedback.I would like to tell you that the ebay order count is 980++ .This means out of 980 orders executed 651 have left a feedback [ positive ] and the rest have not left any feedback and i assume its positive too .I openly challenge you to come to india start a ebay store and show me ZERO " Neutral/Negative " feedbacks in 1 Years time frame .Have you seen the user comments so please stop this nonesense and let me write a non partial review .Why bother with you boring lecture again and again "Sorry but you are getting on my nerves " .You can also check my youtube channel here ->https://www.youtube.com/user/lynxgroupblog/videos.

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 01:34:21 pm
content: International sales don't make sense, so there is no incentive to spend money to send a meter for evaluation.Amarbir, like all of us, was unaware of the dispute going on between Gossen and Rishabh. So, cut him some slack.It seems that Gossen hasn't bothered taking the dispute to court in India yet.Gossen doesn't look good here either, with their bait and switch contract with Rishabh, if they knew the processor would become unavailable shortly after signature.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 09, 2013, 01:50:03 pm
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 09, 2013, 01:34:21 pmBoss ,I have a brochure that says "German Technology " .I will scan and post it here ,people are rasing fingers on me for no reason .I am very very sure after the teardown/review we can judge better " Whats What " .Plus dave and everyone else would be interested too .Atleast we come to know " Whats What " .

author: Lightages
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 10, 2013, 01:55:31 am
content: Now I wonder what is the point of this thread with prices, shipping references to places outside of India, etc? If you do not have any intention to sell outside of India then you are spending a whole bunch of time pretending to want to. Do you want to sell outside of India or not? If not, then stop pushing prices and advertising products to an international audience.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2013, 05:39:32 am
content: Quote from: Lightages on October 10, 2013, 01:55:31 amSir ,The point is that i only visit eevblog forum and nothing else .Hence to sell to my target indian audience i advertise here also .Not only that off and on i participate in discussions and also i do a little bit of my bit of contributions .FYI rishabh multimeters can be sold to any country .No one can stop me from that cos i am selling rishabh not gossen .If gossen or for that matter anyone has a issue they will sort out with gossen/rishabh and not me .BTW have you people seen how many international distributors they have .Most of them carry Rish multi and rish max stock .As you seen to have posted this may i know if you are interested to buy cos i have been saying this "I am not very keen for international sales " .I have never said i cannot do it "i can to some selected areas and audience " .Like we are the first people in india to launch " Fluke 101 ,Fluke 106 and 107 " multimeters online and also on ebay india store .In fluke they say for india only "Hence i would not be able to sell those outside india " .But hey many chinese online sellers do that and many of the people here buy that to .Talk about morals ? " Where are those lightages " .So as i want to tell everyone that if they are indians they can buy those multimeters from me .I want to create a thread for the same " Is making one a crime " .EEVblog forums are created by dave for worldwide audience .Sometimes its a item that has export restrictions ,in that case we cannot sell it outside .Note : Check My 1st post in this thread ,i just have USD prices due to the fact that many people refer to USD prices and not Indian Rupee as currency .Infact i removed the reference that "International People can PM me For Sales " due to the fact that my major target customer is in india .I hope i and my intention is clear from my posting .Infact i have repeated this several times since its come to my light that gossen/rishabh has some issues going on when dave posted which i was not aware of

author: Attorney
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2013, 09:52:43 pm
content: Maybe I missed it in the specs, but do any of the Rish models measure dBm in the AC volts ranges AND have the RELative ability to zero the dBm display?Paul

author: mamalala
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 15, 2013, 09:26:11 pm
content: Quote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 08, 2013, 03:14:58 pmQuote from: Amarbir[Lynx-India] on October 08, 2013, 03:41:59 pmHmmmm ....Greetings,Chris

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 15, 2013, 11:30:53 pm
content: What teardown? I haven't seen any teardown.

author: fluxcapacitor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 12:33:44 am
content: Quote from: Attorney on October 10, 2013, 09:52:43 pmYou can download the datasheets from rishabh .http://rishabh.co.in/index.php/downloads

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 02:53:26 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on October 16, 2013, 02:37:23 pmLol ,You never replied to the comment i gave you on the top .So i though might be the guy has realised something .The review is in progress and the following sections are being covered .Multimeter Review1 : UnboxingExplain All The Parts " Included in the box of each model "Explain The Differences " Between Models "Roughness/Toughness " General Built Quality/Others "2 : TestingDC Voltage TestingAC Voltage TestingResistanceContinuityDC AmperesAC AmperesRugedness " Subjected To High Voltage/Other Methods "Comparision " Explain Misc Functions In Some Models "3 : TeardownDisassembly / AssemblyCircuit AnalysisConclusionNote : I have Precision reference resistances that doug from voltagestandard has checked and send me .I have two of his products now the Pentaref and the DMM Check Plus . I am also in possession of that Chinese Voltage Reference Source thats selling on ebay .Not only this i have all the other gadgets thats are required for the testing of the products .As i am not doing this 24x7 for my livelyhood its in process and section of the review are already done .Once the entire testing is done i will upload on youtube and you guys can check the same .I plan to have triple language in the review " English ,Hindi And Punjabi " .I will appreciate people commenting on the things i am planning to cover and suggest better ways to do stuff or ask me a question regarding the same and help me improve the review .BTW mojo-chan if some stuff in this multimeter is shitty it will remain shitty come what may i try .Hence there is no point to fool the public cos once i sell this to someone saying this is a lollipop and he gets just the lolli and not the pop then its a issue on the way i did the review ;-) But if you want the pop before the lolli " Then its not possibly "

author: fluxcapacitor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 03:06:15 pm
content: suck it and see

author: mariush
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 03:11:00 pm
content: Don't you get it that no matter what tools you use and no matter how much information you give, your word can not be trusted in this case?It's not that we think you may cheat or lie, it's simply the case that since you sell this multimeter and promote it, you may be BIASED.Often people do it without even realizing, due to being proud about selling the product, due to being a fan of a product line or a brand, due to lots of things. People need to have a product reviewed by someone who has nothing to gain directly by reviewing the multimeter.The best thing to remove all doubts from people's heads is to send a multimeter for review to Dave or someone else with good reputation here . I'm sure Dave would do it - he gets to make a couple of videos with it and some money from Youtube ads and views, you get your stuff advertised on EEVBlog for the price of shipping a multimeter to Dave.If it's about money (and I could understand that, since those multimeters are a bit expensive compared to an Indian's average monthly pay), you can ask Dave to send it back after he's done with it, I'm sure he would be willing to do that. Then your only loss is the money to ship it to Dave and to ship it back to you.ps. I stayed away from this thread on purpose because I don't care about all that "german technology" thing. Some may think you were lying about it, I just think it's a communication issue, as in what you're saying by that is interpreted by people here in another way. It can happen when dealing with people from different continents, with different languages and all that.

author: Amarbir[Lynx-India]
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 03:27:55 pm
content: Quote from: mariush on October 16, 2013, 03:11:00 pmNoted ,There are two things .One its extremely hard for me to sell this outside india " Too much hassel " .Secondly i am not here to to say "Oh i sell this product " hence to sell it i need to review it in a positive manner so that people buy it .This multimeter has few issues like every other product is concerned and i will definately talk / demonstrate the same .Some of the questions " i would say 75% ++ " are being raised due to the fact that there is no review of this multimeter .Hence the international community does not know more about it .The worst part is that i created a selling thread before i reviewed the product .Might be if i had done that there were less questions/issues .I am not saying i have a issue in sending samples to people for review all i am saying is that "I am a seller " .Sorry i cannot afford to do that "To much legal bullshit to export and reimport " .What i can do is that i can try to review this to the best of my ability .People have this issue with thier personalities that they never acknowledge stuff i openly say that i have learned a lot of interesting stuff regarding multimeters and thier testing here on eevblog and martins youtube channel .Let me give this a try no one is asking anyone to buy anything .Atleast you folks know how much the stuff sells for and hopefully after the review you will know where it stands in the market in comparision to other multimetersPS : There is no point for me to comment on anypost from now on .The only thing i will do is i will post the review and then hopefully answer some questions and have the teardown photographically as you guys want .I am fully aware that many people have this idea that a seller is biased about the product he sells .I will try to prove this theory wrong hopefully with almighties grace .

author: DL8RI
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2013, 03:31:37 pm
content: Hi,I don't think a review or anything else is needed here. These products are rip offs of products from another company.As for my point of view, there is no motivation for me to support a company or a seller who does this.I would never ever buy such a thing or anything from this seller here, just because of this fact. I don't care how good or bad they are... And I can only emphasize (correct word? Not sure) anyone to do the same.

author: Dave
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 17, 2013, 07:06:01 pm
content: I wonder if his unbiased review will be anything likehis eBay ad."aAmazing3¾ Digit 3100 CountsAnalog" Why Analog ? Will Explain Later " Digital Multimeter""The Probes AreJust Waooooo Long,Strong With Lantern Cover And Plastic Cover On The Tips "Pure Bliss" ."" The Protective Holster IsReally Protective" Once You Have It In Your Hand You Will Realise What Your Friend Here Is Talking About " .""You Cannot Mess This Up Even The Dial Does Not Move To The Milli Amps And Amps Section If The Probes Are In Wrong AreaWooo Woo Great"Yup, clearly unbiased and without a single trace of bullshit.The punctuation makes me want to scoop my eyes out with a rusty spoon.

author: alex77
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 04:28:41 pm
content: well, it looks that rishabh is about to introduce a new range of multimeters with new design.

author: mianchen
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 07:42:18 pm
content: Quote from: alex77 on October 19, 2013, 04:28:41 pmWhat technology is it this time? Chinese or German?

author: fluxcapacitor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 08:01:59 pm
content: Quote from: mianchen on October 19, 2013, 07:42:18 pmProbably polish .http://rishabh.co.in/index.php/company/view/3

author: echen1024
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 20, 2013, 04:42:01 am
content: This time it is the latest in advanced, precise multimeters, made with 100% Micronesian technology.. But seriously. I highly doubt the objectivity of his review. Just look at his eBay ads as Dave points out. It just smells like a big, warm, heap of bullshit..And also, offering a "heart to heart lecture!"QuoteAnd this is in no world an analog meter.

author: ErikTheNorwegian
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 10:00:52 pm
content: Truly a story you only read about in the papers... shure some lawyers are buisy now!

author: GreyWoolfe
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 10:58:12 pm
content: Amarbir, to me, you still haven't answered the basic question. If you can only sell in India and have no desire or legal ability to sell outside of India, why did you start this thread with such a lengthy post? I am sure that there are blogs more targeted in an to your country. Unfortunately, I agree that you seem to be biased as you sell the product and are unwilling/unable to provide samples for test/teardown to someone outside your country. A a side point, I was a salesman for 20 years before going back to school, getting an AS in EET and doing field service work for the past 15 years. The salesman in me wants to tell you that you have lost the sale and it is time to move on. If you can't gain the trust of the client in the first few minutes of your presentation, anything that comes after is a waste of everyone's time, including your own. I would respectively submit that you gracefully back out of this thread and stop trying to push products that you won't be able to sell outside of India. Even if you could, unless you to submit to independent testing/teardown, your lost credibility will never be able to be recovered. I am in agreement that this thread should simply fade away. The dead horse has long been kicked to the point of of being bloody unrecognizable.Tom

author: mrflibble
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 22, 2013, 11:35:03 pm
content: Quote from: GreyWoolfe on October 22, 2013, 10:58:12 pmAgreed. The OP said he will not post anything before teardown. And I suspect a teardown by the OP will not be received as unbiased. All we're going to get is more posts pointing out that some things are full of shit. There, I just implied that as well just now, because, well....Unbiased review by sellers is just not going to happen with regular humans. And if a sellerthinkshe/she can do so, it will be doubly biasedand there is a nice opportunity to learn new stuff by reading a psychology book or two.Might as well lock it and be done with it. Either that, or some more of that horse tartare.But on the bright side: Amarbir has tried and more or less succeeded in NotPostingLikeThisAnymore. So progress!Edit: Or given the low amount of moderation of this forum (yay! for that BTW) this thread will just have to die aslow and painfulgraceful death.In that case, sorry for posting this post.

author: poorchava
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: November 07, 2013, 08:52:37 am
content: Quote from: fluxcapacitor on October 19, 2013, 08:01:59 pmI don't think so. Lumel deals mainly in automation, I guess clocest what they manufacture and that would be closest to a multimeter, are ac/dc voltage and current meters. They also do contract die casting and machining. Haven't heard of them doing anything in multimeter field.

author: fluxcapacitor
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: November 08, 2013, 07:05:18 am
content: Quote from: poorchava on November 07, 2013, 08:52:37 amIt wouldnt surprise me at all if they did start making them/rebadging them.Time will tell .

author: nukie
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 06, 2013, 11:18:32 pm
content: Wait a minute, I thought German cars are prone to electrical failures? Hmm I drive them I know. I stick to my yellow devices.)

author: ralphrmartin
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: April 20, 2017, 04:57:41 pm
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 09, 2013, 05:37:59 amIts now obvious. He's double dutch!