Filtering out AI or low quality content when researching... - Page 1
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author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 09:18:20 am
content: Hi,i wonder, if there is a plugin for a browser, that would warn, if a page has AI generated content, or is flagged by other users (for bad content). Something like a review system?Has someone made up some tactics, to effective filter out bad content? Maybe we can collect some links here of bad pages?

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 09:29:09 am
content: Quote from: eTobey on January 18, 2025, 09:18:20 amI'm building such a filter using AI.When done I will licence it to the AI companies, so they can avoid training their LLMs on LLM output from other companies. I should become as rich as Croesus.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 09:32:10 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on January 18, 2025, 09:29:09 amMore likely it will be licensed to AI companies so they can train their AI to generate AI content that doesn't get flagged as AI content

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 09:50:53 am
content: What will happen when AI generated content becomes the overwhelming majority of content on the internet and the AI systems start eating their own tails in the quest for more and more training? Will it lead to a form of inbreeding from the incestuous consumption of learning from their own generated content?It seems to me those who will benefit most from an AI filter is the AI companies themselves.In the meantime the first thing I look for is a byline showing a human author. It might not be completely reliable but it is a quick easy first check.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 09:54:57 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on January 18, 2025, 09:29:09 amI'm building an AI filter which will help AI companies tweak the output so that it's not recognizable by AI filters.

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 10:29:53 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on January 18, 2025, 09:29:09 amJokes aside, there actually ARE AI-based tools to detect AI-generated content already, for text, images and even music.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 10:40:11 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 18, 2025, 10:29:53 amAnd they're not very good - many false positives. One recently was tested on the Declaration of Independence and it said it was AI generated. Make of that what you will.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 11:58:41 am
content: Quote from: magic on January 18, 2025, 09:54:57 amMy magic will be better than your magic.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 01:13:25 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on January 18, 2025, 09:50:53 amThat's exactly what happens.https://www.sciencealert.com/digital-equivalent-of-inbreeding-could-cause-ai-to-collapse-on-itself

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 01:41:43 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on January 18, 2025, 11:58:41 amAnd both will be better than any browser plugin because AI companies are made of moneyAnd if somebody hypothetically makes an effective plugin for Chrome, Google is an AI company too so they will simply block it.Resistance is futile.

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 02:01:43 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on January 18, 2025, 01:13:25 pmHmmm. "regurgitive training" is a good name for it. I hadn't read about it but I'm glad someone is thinking about it. AI might have some use for distilling information but I never thought it would become anything more than a derivative facsimile of human creativity. Not even as good as an infinite number of monkeys that might through random chance write Shakespeare.I will know AI has succeeded when an AI machine can play the stock market and get fabulously wealthy. Then everyone will do it and no-one will be better off.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 02:10:10 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on January 18, 2025, 02:01:43 pmNah.The first to do it will become rich, and the rest will be left wallowing in the mud. That's how "high frequency trading" works.Besides, all that matters is thatIhave more cowrie shells thanyou. That's the attitude of Zuckerberg, Musk, other tech bros, and everybody in control in the financial sector.

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 04:37:45 pm
content: First thing that came to mind, reading the intro, was the whole 'Mis-Dis-information' (BS).That, in my recollection, started being a media 'meme' useful to ramp up opposition to Trump, right around 2017, as a sort of 'pre-innoculation', supposedly to combat 'lies' before they are issued.It's a weird and ironic, yet totally stupid when under scrutiny. I mean; declaring your opponent's statements to be false (disinformation).The folks doing this can't help themselves, to expand on the hype, even by making up new language terms! THAT, by the way, is one of my favorite (political and human affairs) my interest, in human 'creativity'.Now, we've witnessed further mangled language, as media pundits expand into:'Mis-dis-information'... An actual quote.Hmmm, tempting to sarcastic expansion of that....- RICK

author: eTobey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 10:30:49 pm
content: I remember, i have actually made a small list of pages that just copy other pages content, or are rubbish in another way:Mostly coding sites.I will NOT take any responsibilty, if you visit those links! Visit them at your own risk!it-swarm.com.deprogrammersought.comcodota.comcodegrepper.comcpp.hotexamples.comtabnine.compretagteam.comqastack.com.deadoclib.comnewbedev.comprogramcreek.comadoclib.comprogrammierfrage.commosg-portal.comscience19.comjpralves.netlocalcoder.orgtabnine.comwinfaults.netcopyprogramming.comprogrammingsimplified.comhotexamples.comkynix.com

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 11:17:34 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on January 18, 2025, 10:40:11 amWell, maybe it was actually AI-generated.Jokes aside again, that makes sense. The same types of models can't possibly be better at detecting than they are at generating.Yes, there are many cases of teachers using these tools to spot AI-generated homework and while they do spot a sizable fraction of them, there are false positives which make the kids who do real work very angry.

author: abeyer
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2025, 11:37:57 pm
content: Quote from: tom66 on January 18, 2025, 10:40:11 amThomas Jefferson was actually one of@artbyrobot's inventions sent back from the future to write it?

author: RJSV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 01:50:34 am
content: One possible suggestion, for teachers screening homework submissions, (for AI written assignments), would be how about if the student actually claims the work is AI sourced, plus that student would be compelled, in the total essay, to insert a lengthy description, of what the AI generatedThen, at least, the student is engaged in the subject, and did some study and written discourse.

author: Analog Kid
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 04:00:12 am
content: Quote from: eTobey on January 18, 2025, 10:30:49 pmWell, to be fair (and accurate), we should keep in mind that there are AI sites, and then there web scrapers who copy all their content from someone else. The most notorious of these are all those sites which have reformatted Wikipedia pages with frozen content from some Wiki article that is now hopelessly out of date due to subsequent editing.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 09:35:21 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 18, 2025, 11:17:34 pmAnd they can't see how this will long-term lead to themselves being replaced with AI?

author: NE666
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 09:50:30 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on January 18, 2025, 02:01:43 pmWhat a frighteningly accurate description of the current state of cinema and contemporary music.

author: iMo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 09:51:20 am
content: The best "AI" filter is (and will be) your "IQ"..

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 10:29:10 am
content: Quote from: iMo on January 19, 2025, 09:51:20 am50% of people have below average IQ (or whatever other measure is used).The IQ median point is a variable quantity.Even back in the 80s, a standard topic of discussion was comparing Artificial Intelligence and Natural Stupidity. And back then AI was based on eliciting rules from highly experienced experts (exception: WISARD, which demonstrated the problems that modern ML would make mainstream).

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 11:04:15 am
content: Very difficult to detect AI output for essays and homework. I would argue an in-person viva is the best method, you ask the student individual questions on their work, and ask them to justify their points they have made in more detail. This is undoubtedly very time consuming, hence looking for quick solutions like a scanning tool, but the reality is these tools are too unreliable. Schools are still using them, though, and implicating genuine students, it's a real mess.

author: mendip_discovery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 11:47:07 am
content: Quote from: iMo on January 19, 2025, 09:51:20 amThe AI fakes will catch us more and more. Much like the phishing stuff its some of it is obviously wrong but there will be ones that will stop and make you think. I cam envisage a time where more things we used have some trust for may well be made useless sources of information.Not much point worrying about it. I will just carry on like normal and just try to avoid becoming a victim.

author: ebastler
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 11:54:25 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on January 19, 2025, 10:29:10 amI'm not so sure about that. 50% of people have belowmedianIQ.But the difference between median and average should be rather small... [nitpicking mode off]

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2025, 12:36:28 pm
content: Quote from: ebastler on January 19, 2025, 11:54:25 amMedian is one of the common averages. Others are arithmetic mean, geometric mean, modeMedian is the correct average in this case.