The Autodesk Eagle edition - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: KoningTosti
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 12, 2017, 10:02:28 am
content: Hi all,I just noticed something interresting on the EAGLE wbsite. Look at the attachment. Autodesk is doing a "huge" update on EAGLE. Probably some Fusion 360 integration as was mentioned in an earlier thread. I was just in the market for a new CAD package and this could be interesting. Originally looking at circuitstudio, but in our small company one of the employees is using Linux. This could be an interesting option.What do you think? Will this release change the way we should look at EAGLE? If the new routing is good, it will be a massive improvement over the previous version of EAGLE.

author: vinicius.jlantunes
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2017, 10:51:54 am
content: In the thread where the Autodesk acquisition of Eagle was discussed we had Matt (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=121542) who was (still is?) from Autodesk and was answering questions. Perhaps if you can engage him in this conversation you may get interesting information.There might even be some information on that thread (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/autodesk-buys-eagle/) but I haven't read it in a while.

author: jgarc063
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2017, 04:46:35 pm
content: You guys have no idea the awesome that is about to drop.That screenshot only shows a few of the new things coming, there's even more that isn't shown on that screen.Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to say much. I do encourage everyone to join the Hack-chat happening tomorrow on hackaday.http://hackaday.com/2017/01/11/friday-hack-chat-eagle-pcb-design-with-matt-berggrenMatt and I will be available to answer questions and discuss.Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.Best Regards,Jorge GarciaAutodeskProduct Support Specialist for EAGLE

author: technotronix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2017, 01:56:51 pm
content: I am really waiting for this EAGLE update.

author: cdev
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2017, 02:25:20 pm
content: will the small board user still get the use of the product for free?

author: Fred27
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 17, 2017, 02:45:07 pm
content: And will hobbyists like myself that paid for the Make edition have an appropriate upgraded version?

author: Karel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2017, 03:32:18 pm
content: Consider this:http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/49854/cd18344752fa135d4190b59a5e6a95f9/QuoteGuess what? Autodesk & Cadsoft haven't learned their lesson and they will introduce again a license management system.This means that you can't use Eagle anymore without internet connection

author: tszaboo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2017, 03:41:41 pm
content: I guess they will change the default colors for the layers, they might even make some new icons for stuff. Maybe even a new menu bar. And different fonts. There will be big changes with eagle,now it will be a usable software.

author: JPortici
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2017, 08:21:57 pm
content: Quote from: KoningTosti on January 12, 2017, 10:02:28 amor or or or or or... use diptrace.or or or or kicad.won't touch that POS eagle unless they redesign the UI from scratch

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 17, 2017, 08:50:35 pm
content: To be fair, the total number of people "boycotting" EAGLE are probably now known, their existing user base will more than likely be happy to upgrade, I switched from EAGLE to KiCAD, purely for the fact that KiCAD did everything EAGLE did (that I needed) and it was completely free and OS.If the changes to the new software are legible enough for "flown" users to come back to it then they make expand their user base.Nevertheless, it's nice to know that it is still in active development, I was a happy EAGLE user for many years, and would have no real issue going back to use it tomorrow (apart from price when using it for personal use, can't beat free and unrestricted!).

author: KoningTosti
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: January 18, 2017, 09:35:07 am
content: Quote from: JPortici on January 17, 2017, 08:21:57 pmI used Diptrace, liked it, but only for simple boards where strict rule checking and polygon accuracy don't matter. Routing isn't much better in Diptrace than in Eagle.KiCAD is something I haven't looked at, but I heard the library management was crippled. I have installed it and take it for a spin.About the licensing. Read the hackchat:https://hackaday.io/event/19355-eagle-hack-chat/log/51826-read-the-chat-hereI thought they mentioned something like 20 days per online lease.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2017, 10:35:21 am
content: Is there an ETA for this release?

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2017, 11:28:29 am
content: Quote from: KoningTosti on January 18, 2017, 09:35:07 amAbsolutely unacceptable. The issue isn't whether you have to sign in every 2 hours, every 2 days, or every 200 days. The issue is, I want my toolchain to work 10 years from now, after Autodesk has stopped maintaining the servers.As a Professional licensee since 4.1, it looks like 7.x is where I get off the EAGLE train.

author: Karel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2017, 12:17:21 pm
content: Have a look here:http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/52901/90be6616cc619dc651e072c006dec854/and scroll down to read how existing users think about it...

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2017, 01:40:39 pm
content: I fully agree with the posters on the Eagle forum. Any licensing scheme which requires an internet connection is an absolute no-go for me. If you want to know why that method is a big fail you just need to look at computer games. I've hoped things will improve with Autodesk, but it becomes worse

author: ReneK
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2017, 06:17:16 pm
content: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/autodesk-buys-eagle/126/Quote from reply #126: "...it's not going subscription..."This was a lie, thank you very much. And Jorge added: "Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position isnon-negotiable."Source:http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/mv/msg/52901/168331/b5952d433f9890c005408768aefd061d/#msg_168331And it's getting even better: "You need to have an Autodesk account, even to use the freeware."Source:http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/mv/msg/52901/168329/b5952d433f9890c005408768aefd061d/#msg_168329I really wonder if someone seriously considers upgrading?

author: H.O
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2017, 08:21:35 pm
content: WTF!?What they specifically said wouldn't happen is ALREADY happening? Subscription, really?That TOTALLY kills it for me.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 18, 2017, 10:09:06 pm
content: Hmm, the subscription model is bloody expensive!£400 odd quid for the pro per year, so it costs as much (more in fact) in 3 years than buying a lifetime license for a version?I just installed V8, tried to run it, then it promptly complained about a missing file and closed...If you have to connect to the internet to use it (albeit every 14 days) you may as well use circuit maker, or DipTrace.I must have missed this "awesomeness" that has dropped.

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2017, 02:03:58 am
content: Um, DipTrace doesn't require an internet connection... I've been running it in a VM with no internet access for over a year, no issues.

author: Wilksey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2017, 10:42:43 am
content: Yeah, I wrote it wrong, I meant use Circuit Maker. Alternatively use DipTrace (in comparison for price etc).It only requires an internet connection to download itOr KiCAD, but not everyone gets on with it.

author: XFDDesign
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2017, 02:45:24 pm
content: I just got an email update.Apparently Eagle is now Subscriptionware. Now we can all buy the program on a monthly basis. Continuously.I guess I'll be keeping multiple backup copies of my v6 handy,as I've already paid for it.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2017, 03:01:51 pm
content: Great! So Autodesk is ruining Eagle completely. Well done!

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2017, 03:12:11 pm
content: OMG that what I found so nice about Eagle that you can buy a version as hobbieist and use it for a couple of years than buy a new version if it has more versions is now a milking cow scheme, and guess what I am not giving them my milk. I will cherish my v6 version and use it till the end. Mooooooh uh Booooooh

author: XFDDesign
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2017, 03:19:17 pm
content: The biggest pain now, is not just learning KiCad, but recreatingallof my libraries made over the last 4+ years.

author: Stupid Beard
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 19, 2017, 03:31:31 pm
content: I just got the email from Autodesk. The changes to Eagle actually sounded great and much needed.Then I saw the subscription thingI would have considered paying an upgrade fee for a perpetual license if there was a discount for existing licenses. But they can shove subscriptions, always online and requiring an account where the sun doesn't shine.Oh well. Time to give KiCad another go.Quote from: XFDDesign on January 19, 2017, 03:19:17 pmThere are ULP scripts around somewhere to convert Eagle parts to KiCad, so converting libraries should not be too difficult as long as you double check everything before you use it.