DE-5000 LCR Meter OEM? - Page 1
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author: skipjackrc4
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 12:35:44 am
content: I was looking for a DE-5000 from IET on eBay, and came across this, from "Der EE":http://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-with-TL-21-TL-22-New-Japan/161104294237?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D261%26meid%3D1663703848927734370%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D1088%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D151122560024%26Does anybody know if this is the same meter? It looks identical, and the manual is similar to the one from IET.

author: Wytnucls
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timestamp: October 01, 2013, 12:43:16 am
content: It is,South KoreanTaiwanese company.

author: skipjackrc4
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 12:48:41 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 01, 2013, 12:43:16 amNice. It's a lot cheaper than the IET.

author: Wytnucls
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timestamp: October 01, 2013, 12:53:05 am
content: Very good price, with free shipping. Almost too good to be true. Double check everything before you commit yourself.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 12:57:40 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 01, 2013, 12:53:05 amditto. price is amazing. but it does lack all the extras.

author: Wytnucls
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timestamp: October 01, 2013, 01:05:24 am
content: Yes, I don't see the AC module and the RS232 USB cable and adapter.

author: skipjackrc4
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 01:08:23 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 01, 2013, 01:05:24 amI don't care about the USB cable, and I have plenty of isolated AC adapters laying around. I'm thinking I will pull the trigger on this--everything seems to match up from what I can tell.

author: Fsck
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 01:10:27 am
content: Quote from: skipjackrc4 on October 01, 2013, 01:08:23 amdo you have your own optical interface? like many handheld meters, the output from the meter is optical before it is converted into a different format (rs232/usb/smoke signals etc)

author: skipjackrc4
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 01:21:50 am
content: Quote from: Fsck on October 01, 2013, 01:10:27 amI don't, but I'm really not concerned with the connectivity features. I suppose it would be nice to have, but I'd wager that I'll never miss it. I can't see any need real need for mepersonallyto have computer data logging on an LCR meter. A 6.5 digit DVM on the other hand...

author: skipjackrc4
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 01:43:27 am
content: Here is a post in the classifieds section of this forum:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/der-ee-de-5000-lcr-meter/The pictures he has look identical to the IET version that Dave did the teardown on, including the packaging. As long as the eBay version isn't a complete counterfeit, this looks legit. And, frankly, if you were going to counterfeit an LCR meter, why choose a brand name that nobody has heard of?

author: Noize
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 02:20:26 am
content: Quote from: Fsck on October 01, 2013, 01:10:27 amI think you can just use a IR photo diode in series with a 4.7k resistor and make a cheap ftdi cable from a ca-42 nokia data cable:http://fabacademy.org/content/tutorials/09_Embedded_Programming/diyftdicable.htmlI downloaded IET's software and run it and it scans the com ports.I had just bought this one for £80http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231064538566?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649and if customs picks it up I will only have to pay only little bit extra. A bargain O0

author: skipjackrc4
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timestamp: October 01, 2013, 02:27:12 am
content: Quote from: Noize on October 01, 2013, 02:20:26 amYep, I just bought one. It will be here by November.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 02:56:47 am
content: Quote from: skipjackrc4 on October 01, 2013, 02:27:12 amNovember ? Shipment from Japan to US ? Thats one month !The price is so tempting, but I have busted my electronic hobbyist's budget.

author: skipjackrc4
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timestamp: October 01, 2013, 02:57:53 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on October 01, 2013, 02:56:47 amYep, but the shipping was free

author: Wytnucls
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 03:10:07 am
content: It's not a fake. Those Cyrustek chips are not available to shady operators.

author: eurofox
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 06:46:11 am
content: I got yesterday one shipped from Japan.eurofox

author: Nermash
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 01, 2013, 07:25:55 am
content: I also got one, it is the genuine DER EE model DE5000. IET rebrands them for their own sales. Last I saw on ebay you could get them for 120 USD shipped, with tweezers and crocs. Funny thing is that you can get them at Akhibara for arround 45 € or 60 $!http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/g/gM-06264/

author: chibiace
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 10, 2013, 10:55:18 pm
content: Quote from: Nermash on October 01, 2013, 07:25:55 amis it possible to get the akizukidenshi price shipped around the world?

author: andtfoot
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 10, 2013, 11:40:22 pm
content: Quote from: chibiace on October 10, 2013, 10:55:18 pmAccording to a Google Translate of the FAQ, here is the answer:QuoteMake of that what you will...

author: chibiace
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timestamp: October 10, 2013, 11:50:41 pm
content: i had pretty bad trouble translating the pages, even that sentence you said lol.

author: Dave
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timestamp: October 11, 2013, 03:37:04 am
content: I also bought a DER EE DE-5000 from some Japanese seller on eBay. Paid about 120€ for everything (including shipping). So far it has proven to be a pretty good meter.I would only wish that I could get a USB adapter for it.

author: iloveelectronics
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 04:04:43 am
content: Quote from: Wytnucls on October 01, 2013, 12:43:16 amNo, DER EE is Taiwanese.

author: iloveelectronics
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 04:08:21 am
content: Quote from: skipjackrc4 on October 01, 2013, 01:43:27 amI still have a couple of those DE-5000 full packages in stock in case anyone is after the complete set with power adapter, Optical-USB cable and software, hard plastic case, etc. Price-wise I don't think I stand a chance against those Japanese sellers on eBay anymore, but they don't offer the full package.

author: casinada
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timestamp: October 11, 2013, 05:30:42 pm
content: Here is the complete one without case:http://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-TL-21-TL-22-TL-23-USB-CD-ful-set-/161102706848?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25827838a0$209.97

author: chibiace
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timestamp: October 11, 2013, 07:22:22 pm
content: seems to be no where to buy the leads from either.

author: mos6502
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timestamp: October 11, 2013, 07:38:21 pm
content: Thanks for the thread guys, I was about to waste a load of cash on an Agilent U1733C.I bought the kit with the TL-21 and TL-22 from akibashipping for $118.90. The good thing is that this seller offers EMS shipping for $5 more. The last time I ordered something from Japan it took two months to arrive, so no more economy shipping for me.

author: icpart
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 07:58:47 pm
content: Hi guys I want to buy some LCR meter but I can not choose which one to buy. One of these DE-500 from Japan or maybe MS5308? For me with import taxes and duties the final price will be the same. I can buy from my country MS5308 for about 115EUR with 1 year warranty. Just wondering which of these meters is better from yours perspective?Actually I don't like MS5308 very much because it is a little bulky. So any advice would be useful for me.

author: chibiace
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timestamp: October 11, 2013, 08:17:06 pm
content: Quote from: icpart on October 11, 2013, 07:58:47 pmfrom what i have read is that they both have the same chipset so should perform the same, the iet does look alot better.

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 08:19:28 pm
content: IF these DE 500 have the same specs as the IET DE-5000 I would definitely chose it over the MS5308. I have the IET unit and it is very accurate at low ohms and ESR. PA4TIM has done some testing with his and found the capacitance and inductance well in spec also.

author: xbb
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 08:25:02 pm
content: I got one yesterday, bought it from the auction linked in the opening post. After...I noticed the seller has also the full kit

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 08:26:46 pm
content: The model number is DE-5000. There is no DE-500. DE-500 is a typo.The eBay sellers have pictures of opened units and they look identical to the one in the EEVblog #229 teardown.

author: staxquad
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 08:29:22 pm
content: Quote from: robrenz on October 11, 2013, 08:19:28 pmPA4TIM doesn't have a MS5308. It takes two to compare. If I remember correctly he said that because it cost more it must be better, no a b comparison necessary.The DE 5000 is lower priced, has a smaller form factor, and maybe doesn't have the battery and charger issues that MS5308 has (worked around, so not an issue anymore if you are aware), so if someone doesn't need the extras, it seems like a good deal. MS5308 using 7xAA batteries will run longer than DE 5000 with a 9v battery though.

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 11, 2013, 08:54:52 pm
content: The DE-5000 has generally better specs than the MS5308 on paper. The specs from the manual from DER are the same as the specs shown in the IET manual. So the only thing you are getting for the extra $200.00 for the IET version is the nice plastic storage case. That is one expensive case

author: casinada
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timestamp: October 12, 2013, 06:07:31 am
content: Well, the case would be only $125 as the whole set without case goes for $210

author: kripton2035
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timestamp: October 12, 2013, 07:55:08 am
content: I bought one "der ee", let's see how it works in a few weeks.by the way, I prefer put one battery in a meter instead of 7, even it it lasts longer.if it needs so much energy, then put a lithium battery in it but please not 7 batteries !

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 02:02:56 pm
content: These apply 0.5Vrms according to the specs are they suitable for in circuit testing?http://akizukidenshi.com/download/ds/deree/DE-5000_manu_en2p.pdf

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 02:14:35 pm
content: Can't remember where, but I've read that the output voltage is around 0.63 volts at 100kHz. So no in circuit testing with this one.Not a problem really, because in circuit testing doesn't work well in reality. A lot of the time, there's stuff in parallel: other caps, resistors ... to be really sure, you've got to desolder the cap anyway.

author: Unknown
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 03:06:14 pm
content: The exception is ESR. Components in parallel will only reduce the ESR, so an ESR reading of 10 Ohm across a fairly large cap is generally a good indication that that cap is bad. In troubleshooting you generally only care about order of magnitudes change in ESR. LCR meters (not just this model) are generally not the best tool for in-circuit ESR measurement. Dedicated ESR meters like the Bob Parker design tend to do a better job for in-circuit measurements.

author: staxquad
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timestamp: October 12, 2013, 06:06:03 pm
content: Quote from: robrenz on October 11, 2013, 08:54:52 pmon what paper?ES51919/ES51920 chipset on paper:http://www.cyrustek.com.tw/spec/ES51920.pdfor marketing paper?

author: PA4TIM
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 12, 2013, 06:45:36 pm
content: Quote from: alm on October 12, 2013, 03:06:14 pmYes, you are right but that is not the problem. If there is a low impedance in parallel then you measure a low ESR. So a low reading is not a guaranty that the cap is indeed good. Most dedicated ESR meters do not measure ESR but impedance.I have done alot of comparing in circuit and out circuit measurements and I think in situ measuring just is a waist of time. I only use it for some quick checks if a cap is hard to desolder.For good in situ use he output must be < 0,3V because switchers are stuffed with shottky diodes. Bridges can alsop measure C and DF in situ because amplitude is adjustable. DF is a better parameter as ESR because ESR an sigh is meaningless.I have a IET DE-5000 and I compared it to standard capacitors and inductors and measurements made with a Boonton 63H (200 pH resolution) and a GR-1620 ( aF resolution) , scope measurements and VNA measurements (RF-IV mode). I never compared it to the mastech and I do not think it is better because it is more expensive. But you pay for the name IET and therefor you know it will be good. They do not want to mess up their reputation.The chipset alone is just a part of the meter. That does not guarantee it is good. The external components (jacks, resistors, pcb quality, testleads) can be garbage, de pcb design bad, the psu not good (or kill your meter) , the soldering done by amateurs etc, You can be sure this will be good if you buy the IET.And what you buy is up to you. A Ferrari engine in a Kia does not make it the same car as a testa rosa

author: robrenz
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timestamp: October 13, 2013, 02:22:16 am
content: Quote from: staxquad on October 12, 2013, 06:06:03 pmThe specs from the respective user manuals.

author: staxquad
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timestamp: October 13, 2013, 04:46:05 am
content: Quote from: robrenz on October 13, 2013, 02:22:16 amDave always harps on the electrical characteristics of the chipset being ultimate and everything else to be taken with a grain of salt.

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2013, 02:24:04 pm
content: Sure, if they have the same chipset, the performance will be similar. Theoretically.But, it's entirely possible for an incompetent designer to mess up everything. I haven't seen the MS-5308's PCB, but the DE-5000 has a good layout with proper separate grounds, etc.Considering the MS-5308's debacle with the power supply, I wouldn't put much trust in it. Add to that the ugly, clunky, ridiculously large enclosure of the MS-5308 and the lower price of the DE-5000 and the choice is pretty clear.

author: staxquad
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timestamp: October 13, 2013, 04:37:40 pm
content: Quote from: mos6502 on October 13, 2013, 02:24:04 pmThe power supply was contracted out and they didn't QC it correctly. How much intelligence does it take to trash the AC and get a new one for less than $10, or just use batteries?Have the professionalism to actually test something before pronouncing it worse than something else. All I see here are opinions.And at $170 for data logging, tweezers, kelvin clips, soft case, and the same performance (same chipset) as the IET for a third of the price, it was a bargain. It's still cheaper than the full DER DE-5000 kit.seems like my test came out tighter than PA4TIM's, but just ignore that, you're all emotionalhttps://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/iet-de-5000-lcr-meter-in-uk/msg197357/#msg197357

author: mos6502
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timestamp: October 13, 2013, 05:01:28 pm
content: Quote from: staxquad on October 13, 2013, 04:37:40 pmHuh. Dunno. How much intelligence does it take to ship your product with a defective power supply, that will FRY your device. Because that's what happened in a lot of cases.So either Mastech are dumbasses, or they don't give a shit, or both. In any case, it doesn't make me want to buy their stuff.Quote from: staxquad on October 13, 2013, 04:37:40 pmI have the professionalism to not buy a product that's being made by unprofessional people.Oh, and you're surprised to find OPINIONS in an internet forum? Unbelievable! Shocking! I bet some of them were even unsubstantiated!Quote from: staxquad on October 13, 2013, 04:37:40 pmWhat parallel universe are your prices from? I bought a DE-5000, including the croc clip module and SMD tweezers, for 90 Eurobucks from Japan. Including EMS shipping.The cheapest MS5308 on eBay is 147 Euros from the US.Quote from: staxquad on October 13, 2013, 04:37:40 pmYeah, so the best case is, the DE-5000 and the MS5308 are equivalent. In that case, I still prefer the DE-5000 because it's cheaper and it actually looks like a proper meter and not like a clunky abortion from the Mattel factory.

author: iloveelectronics
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timestamp: October 13, 2013, 05:13:50 pm
content: Quote from: mos6502 on October 13, 2013, 05:01:28 pmWithout getting into the debate of which LCR meter is better, I just wanted to clarify on your pricing question. I used to sell on this forum the Mastech MS5308 for $170, worldwide shipped. It was the full package including the USB cable, software, and the carrying case. In a previous post by another member the full set of the DE-5000 from Japan is selling for about $210, but that doesn't include the hard plastic carrying case. I sell the full DE-5000 set including the hard case for $349 on this forum, which I know is comparatively very expensive now but it was a bargain comparing to the IET branded version before the Japanese sellers came into the scene...

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 13, 2013, 05:34:43 pm
content: I bought from Frankie, and knew about the PSU problem so did a quick destruction of the supplied PSU when it arrived and tossed it and replaced it with a linear one, just reusing the cable it came with. Must admit it rarely is used on the mains, it is very portable. The lead sets are very nice to use as well.

author: staxquad
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timestamp: October 14, 2013, 06:28:06 am
content: Quote from: mos6502 on October 13, 2013, 05:01:28 pmomitting shippingdisingenuousopinions, everybody's got themhow's this for performance, spot on for 3 different resistances:it's the chipset stupidusing resistance standards 1k ohms, 10 ohms from the Leeds and Northrup and .005 ohms (2 x .0025 ohms in series) Shalltronix Test Standardsmy Fluke 87 III measures .9999 kohms and 10.03 ohms for the first two.my GE double bridge measures .0025 ohms exactly for both .0025 ohm standard resistorsawaiting for more unsubstantiated opinion.050 value x .05 scale = .0025 ohmsand the other.050 value x .05 scale = .0025 ohms

author: robrenz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2013, 11:56:23 am
content: Nice tests, glad to see it performs like the DE-5000 on resistance.

author: saturation
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timestamp: October 14, 2013, 03:06:06 pm
content: Great job staxquad. BTW if anyone is looking for a case to match the IET version check these:http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=85020&catid=802They are called 'merchant cases' and per piece are about $7, add another $7 for DIY cutout foam.Its not molded to fit parts but add cut out foam and you're set.With S&H about $20.Also sold as Flambeau.http://www.flambeau-cases.com/merchant-6782.htm

author: casinada
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timestamp: October 14, 2013, 04:49:42 pm
content: Saturation,You beat me in price to the cheapest caseI was going to post:http://www.ebay.com/itm/251355654643?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649but you found a cheaper case:http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=85020&catid=802These don't say if they come with foam.The manufacturer has the one with foam for less than $8 as you pointed out:https://www.flambeaucases.com/index.php/site/details/6772TFand the shipping costs more than the casebut is still cheapIt is a nice idea to present a finished product on one of this cases instead of a regular cardboard box. I'm sure Mike could use some of this cases for his equipment instead of the big ones they come with the equipmentFor the DE-5000 from Japan and the plastic case, you could get the whole kit for around $225

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 14, 2013, 06:39:29 pm
content: Thanks Casinada, I didn't realize they made gun cases for multiple pistols; so you have more flexibility is sizing.http://www.amazon.com/Plano-Protector-Four-Pistol-Case/dp/B000P3WPKK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1381774715&sr=8-3&keywords=plano+gun+caseI think the $17 is a better price as these Plano one's are made more robust and come with the foam. Add Amazon free shipping once you get over $25, and its a good deal.Note overall, you save ~$100 over the IET version, but in the USA, you get warranty but not with the DE version in the USA, FWIW. You may not have much option not to get the accessories because they are not easily available elsewhere piecemeal; DIY to make the accessories can easily exceed the asking price of ~ $20 each, and not look as slick.

author: true
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timestamp: October 15, 2013, 01:47:29 am
content: Those Plano cases really aren't that great - I use them for air pistols that I don't care much about. The foam is meh but it could probably be cut to hold a meter. Quite big though for this use case.They typically go for about $10 in Wal-Mart.

author: casinada
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timestamp: October 15, 2013, 08:34:12 am
content: I saw some nice cases for about $20 at Fry's electronics over the Weekend. The Pelican cases are nice too but much more expensive. For the LCR Meter the $10 would work just fine. The Foam insert provides more protection than Hard molded plastic.

author: EEVblog
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timestamp: October 16, 2013, 12:15:03 pm
content: US$80 from a UK seller:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-from-Japan-/251356392257?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a86022b41Surely a bargain if it's the same OEM as the IET one.

author: iloveelectronics
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timestamp: October 16, 2013, 12:22:24 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on October 16, 2013, 12:15:03 pmIt's a Japanese seller. And it looks like this one doesn't come with any leads or accessories at all, it's just the meter.

author: TMM
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timestamp: October 16, 2013, 12:42:14 pm
content: The seller in the OP has the meter alone for $93US with free shipping. The deal in the OP seems like the best value - tweezers and 4 wire croc clips for $27 extra. It's another $100 if you want the guard lead, USB cable and CD - not really worth it.I bought one. I always thought the IET meter was decent but they were having a laugh with the price given it was single chipset solution. This is the price it should have been.

author: icpart
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 05:33:58 pm
content: Quote from: SeanB on October 13, 2013, 05:34:43 pmThanks of all of you.Maybe I will go with MS5308 for about 150USD with included 1 year warranty and full PC interface in my country for that little price. For me accuracy is better choice for buying something. Seems MS5308 have similar performance compare to other LCR meters. If anyone is interested I saw that in store where they sell MS5308 unit it is without included DC power supply any more, instead there are included 8 AA battery.

author: mos6502
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timestamp: October 16, 2013, 06:47:20 pm
content: I bought this one:http://cgi.ebay.com/131021394870Seemed like the best deal to me because the upgrade to EMS shipping is only 5 bucks. So 123 USD total including both adapters and EMS shipping. Seems like a good seller, too. He sent me a message ahead of time that the shipping would be delayed a few days because of Japanese holidays.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 16, 2013, 08:15:24 pm
content: An IR-USB adapter converter is ~+$45 extra, to go with the CD and cables. Although one can build all of its accessories and download the software for free, will your final build fit nicely and how much tweaking will you need to remove your design's parasitics? Will it be worth the $$ savings ?Most vendor don't sell any of its accessories alone. If you find one, please post a link, other than IET.Sample of other sellers:Taobao for China:http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.Jx9DZE&id=24578460900Taiwan:http://www.myday.com.tw/a_myday/category.php?api=usa_ebay&search_option=1&keywords_q=de-5000&keywords=de-5000

author: mos6502
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timestamp: October 16, 2013, 09:48:47 pm
content: Quote from: saturation on October 16, 2013, 08:15:24 pmThe eBay seller I bought it from (akibashipping) actually asked me if I needed anything else from Japan, so I'm sure if you message him, he can get you all the accessories.

author: casinada
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timestamp: October 16, 2013, 09:58:28 pm
content: It looks like there is more competition for this unit. The complete set :http://www.ebay.com/itm/DE-5000-LCR-Meter-FULL-SET-With-TL-21-TL-22-TL-23-IR-to-USB-case-AC-DC-adaptor-/231064528944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35cc84e830for around $198 shipped + Choose your case as discussed above.We can keep doing this forever until everybody has one

author: Shock
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2013, 04:26:18 pm
content: Just for your info.The DE-5000 can be brought for about $50+shipping (USD) locally in JapanThe accessories and power supply are about $10 each, banana jack is roughly $2.http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/g/gM-06264/

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 18, 2013, 05:31:34 pm
content: Thanks Shock, that's a helpful link. The seller's website says they don't ship outside of Japan. Not sure how the other eBay seller's arrange for it but even with 100% mark up the DE-5000 and its accessories, is a good bang for buck.http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/contents2/buy.aspxBased on your link, the whole DE-5000 kit, including all accessories shipped with the IET kit except the case, is Y 10960, before taxes and other Japanese related gov't costs. That's about $US120. The Japanese eBayer price is $185, or $65 profit before taxes and all.Quote from: Shock on October 18, 2013, 04:26:18 pm

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 19, 2013, 12:39:45 am
content: You also have to factor in the 9% eBay fee. In any case, they're still making way less profit than IETThere's fromjapan.co.jp. That's a service where you can order stuff from Japanese sites. The goods are delivered to them and they send it on to you. I've used it once to buy some stuff from Yahoo Auctions (which is way bigger in Japan than eBay) and it worked well. But if you add their fees, you probably won't save anything over the eBay offers.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 05:53:29 pm
content: Given all the good reviews of this unit from the archives and the superb price point from Japan [ as I don't need another LCR meter] I ordered one of these on Oct 13th, 2013, EDT. It arrived Oct 18, 2013 from Japan on my door 6pm EDT, faster than most US sellers. The packaging was superb, its one solid box of cushion, and excellent customs documentation; no duties. My experiences with Japanese packaging is it always tend to be both functional and very aesthetic relative to US standards. Based on the postage, this cost about $24 to ship. Kudos to the seller.

author: korlatos
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2013, 10:30:00 pm
content: Quote from: saturation on October 16, 2013, 08:15:24 pmTranscat sells TL-22 SMD Tweezers, USB adapter and the power supply here in the USA:http://www.transcat.com/catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=TL-22http://www.transcat.com/catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=DE-5000-DTKhttp://www.transcat.com/catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=DE-5000-AC

author: TMM
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 07:29:32 am
content: I got mine today - 2 days to get to Australia and 12 days to be delivered by AusPost. My unit is consistent with other pics of the DE-5000 on the 'net. Compared to the IET in Dave's teardown there is now a 4007 diode to protect against incorrect polarity at the DC jack, though their preference is to short out the supply rather than place it inline.There are 7 places for 1206 capacitor unpopulated around the meter IC (presumably all supply decoupling), the display IC is custom labeled DM5000-1C and the meter IC is labeled DM5000-2C.

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 09:09:23 am
content: Similar story with me. 2 days from Japan to Germany, and then German customs sit on it for 7 days.Mine is V8 compared to Dave's V5. Looks like it's constantly being updated. Mine has the diode on the DC jack as well.Funny thing, when I first got it and was pressing buttons more or less randomlyI got it to crash. The display showed "ErO1" or "Er01" and it turned off. This happened twice, but now I've been using it for a week and I wasn't able to reproduce it. Strange.Anyway, it's working excellently and it's very accurate.PS Did you notice that the plastic case seems to have metallic particles embedded in it? Maybe that's some kind of shielding.

author: TMM
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 12:40:31 pm
content: I've managed to get an error like that as well. I can't remember what i was doing to cause it but it hasn't happened since.edit: yep the plastic is slightly metallic looking on mine as well. It doesn't seem to be conductive (at least on the outside) so it's probably just cosmetic.

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: October 30, 2013, 01:40:52 pm
content: OK, it could be just cosmetic, but ... if you look closely, you'll see that the folding leg does not have these shiny embedded particles. Why would they use two different kinds of plastic? Wouldn't that drive up the cost? Also, by the looks of the whole thing, I don't think they cared about cosmetics.Since the case is non-conductive and non-magnetic, maybe it's not metal at all, but rather something like glass powder. I just found this:http://www.sljol.info/index.php/JNSFSL/article/download/3657/2948Apparently adding glass powder makes plastic more impact resistant and also makes it heavier.Anyway, it's pretty strange. Never seen a plastic like that ...Regarding that error/crash, I just remembered that I did a failed calibration once right at the beginning, so it could be connected to that.

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2014, 08:55:47 pm
content: I just received my DE-5000 from Japan 96Euro (+27.6Euro import tax)(fromhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-TL-23-New-/151133823417?)Just to let you know that I also got the error message when I pressed the power button the first time (nothing connected yet, no other buttons pressed) I haven't seen the error again.The PCB is also version 8.

author: PA4TIM
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 04, 2014, 10:23:18 pm
content: I compared that photo to the IET one in EEVblog 229 and I see a lot of difference.The DER DE-5000 has a lot of components less (look above the bottom chip) as the IET one. Also there is are some parts that seem to go to the inputs that IET does not have. (left side of meter)The chipset has a print that is not from Cyrus tek. Other LCR meters that use this chipset have it covered like IET or you see the Cyrus label. Is der DE firma so big that Cyrus makes custom printed chipsets for them , or could it be an other chipset ? This chip is well known for quality so why cover it ? (if your brandname is not as sound and to trust as IET is) ?

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 08:51:38 am
content: did anyone conclude on this meter?, is it the same as the IET?

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 09:16:05 am
content: Quote from: neslekkim on February 06, 2014, 08:51:38 amI assume the only difference is the calibration sticker/certificate and cal. data in case of IET.

author: z01z
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 10:13:01 am
content: Quote from: PA4TIM on February 04, 2014, 10:23:18 pmMe too, however for me the two looks almost the same (apart from component values, which I couldn't compare)QuoteThe missing components look like tantalum filter caps, I wonder how much did they save by omitting them?QuoteYes, that looks like a reverse protection for the external power. Maybe it is due to the version difference.QuoteIn the IET from Dave's teardown the chips are potted, so we can't be sure what's used there.

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 11:29:44 am
content: We need a version 8 from IET to see what is brand specific and what is PCB version specific. But I assume the same.

author: PA4TIM
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 11:52:12 am
content: You think or you hopeAssumtion is the mother of....

author: neslekkim
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:26:58 pm
content: Quote from: PA4TIM on February 06, 2014, 11:52:12 amcorrectI wanted to see if anyone actually have tested and compared these.. Or if someone have tested this one to see how good it actually is.

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:39:31 pm
content: There is a review herehttp://www.ittsb.eu/de-5000.html(maybe he still has a version 5 that can be used to compare with IET)

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 06, 2014, 12:51:37 pm
content: Quote from: PA4TIM on February 06, 2014, 11:52:12 amAssumption means assumption, the future will tell.

author: KedasProbe
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2014, 06:15:29 pm
content: Quote from: KedasProbe on February 06, 2014, 12:39:31 pmI asked him, and yes he has a DER EE revision 5 and the layout and components are the same like in Daves video of the IET. (also including the extra caps that are gone in revision 8 )Only one difference was the IC number was removed and not covered up like in Daves video.But it's possible they switched method during production then it's not a difference between DER EE and IET.

author: ot1
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: February 10, 2014, 08:17:16 pm
content: Who would service the der ee unit? Neither the der ee or DE-5000 have input protection so it would seem, unlike the Agilent 1733 which does. Is there any warranty at all on the DER EE ? Although the GenRad DE-5000 has only 1 year as opposed to an Agilent 1733 which has 3 years but the 1733 sadly doesn't incorporate a 4wire design although it has everything else going for it (but the price)!

author: WVL_KsZeN
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2014, 02:54:37 pm
content: Quote from: KedasProbe on February 04, 2014, 08:55:47 pmMine just arrived and looks exactly like yours, the diode position to protect for uncorrect polarity of external power is unpopulated (also like yours). How come it's there for others?It does feel weird in the hand, being quite large, pretty lightweight and still sturdy. Given the size and weight you'd expect it to be a lot more flimsy.

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 22, 2014, 03:46:41 pm
content: I think the error on first turn on is due to a missing checksum because the EEPROM is still empty. Or something along those lines. I've used mine for over half a year now (went through five 9V batteries) and haven't seen it since.I really don't get why people complain about input protection. It's not a multimeter that you hook up to random wires sticking out of a wall. It's an instrument for testingpassive components.From what I've read the Agilent would be a far worse choice: measurements jumping all over ther place, firmware bugs, defects, bad service. I haven't even heard of a defective DE 5000. Another little detail: the Agilent (wait, it's Keyhole now or something, right?) has printing on the rubber buttons that will eventually wear off, while the DE 5000 has the printing on the panel, under a clear plastic layer. Nice little detail IMHO.

author: metalphreak
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 03:27:18 pm
content: Just got mine today. For $120 with tweezers and alligator clip accessories, I couldn't say no, as I didn't currently have a proper LCR meter.

author: SArepairman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 06:29:40 pm
content: Quote from: mos6502 on February 22, 2014, 03:46:41 pmI hate to impose but sometimes you can be careless with electrolytic capacitors, for instance because of their soakage. I had ebay capacitors come in charged at 35V.... I know enough to short out electrolytic before testing on my LCR meter but its an easy mistake to make and fry your expensive equipment.

author: markce
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: March 04, 2014, 11:51:43 pm
content: Got mine, it's cheap! Does look very serious like the IET.Look up Der EE company. They make all kind of measurement equipment.Checked the meter with various 0.5% cap's. It's spot-on.One thing, the alligator clips are junk (worn out in a week) ...Already done a lot of work with it. It's a really useful tool.

author: Electro Fan
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 03:30:11 am
content: A couple questions:Are the eBay purchasers still happy with your units?Anyone have any thoughts or recommendations on how useful the IR/USB PC interface might be?Thanks

author: georges80
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 04:23:32 am
content: Quote from: Electro Fan on March 15, 2014, 03:30:11 amHappy with mine, have had it for 3 or so months, bought from the same seller as the OP's URL (1st post).Tweezers are fine (though you have to be careful to not squeeze/shoot a loose SMD cap etc into a higher dimension).I've used the croc clips a few times for the odd leaded component I may be using to prototype something, seem fine, easy enough to replace with better clips if need be.The unit itself seems well built, good accuracy and good repeatability. For my use it was a well spent few $. One of my least expensive pieces of test equipment.I have no use for the IR/USB interface since I'm not production testing components or sorting them.cheers,george.

author: kripton2035
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 08:24:29 am
content: Quote from: Electro Fan on March 15, 2014, 03:30:11 ambought one from japan in october, still happy with itI only bought the tweezers and croc clips because I have no use of the ir/usb cable.

author: mos6502
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: March 15, 2014, 10:36:50 pm
content: I don't really see a need for the USB functionality, unless maybe if you have to record a large number of measurements, like in a production environment. Or, possibly, something like evaluating a capacitive sensor.You could easily whip up your own USB adapter by punching a hole in the appropriate spot in the foam cover, sticking an IR phototransistor in there and hooking it up to the RxD input of a $2 TTL Serial to USB converter.

author: AutomationDude
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: March 19, 2014, 12:44:44 am
content: Quote from: kripton2035 on March 15, 2014, 08:24:29 amBought one for myself two weeks ago. Works great, no complaints. Perfect for the hobbyist or even on a Production Test Bench (which is where I intend to put one next).

author: JustSquareEnough
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 26, 2017, 01:19:19 am
content: just picked this meter up today.looked through this thread for a link to an english version of the manual since the one that ships with it of course is not. IET has their manual hosted, here's a link:http://www.ietlabs.com/pdf/Manuals/DE_5000_im.pdfI tried attaching it but it is to big.Also, looks like there is a seller on amazon now so you can get it via prime rather than a long ship time via international ebay.