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author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 20, 2012, 05:59:55 am
content: Greetings EEVBees:--A high speed camera has been employed to photograph goverment types moving the old walnut shells around, and guess what? There does not seem to be a pea under any of them. Oh well just keep tugging on those boot straps. In America, we Yanks like to think we have different and better ways of being stupid, for instance Goverment Motors, formerly General Motors, is loosing $50,000 dollars on every Chevy Volt it produces. Yep, if you are the government and you build an inferior mousetrap, every nanny state yahoo on the globe will beat a path to your door, yammering about how it may not catch more mice but look at the idea behind it, and we need more goverment subsidized inferior mousetraps, not less.http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2012/09/14/queensland_force_solar_owners_to_be_retail_customers/Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people."William Claude Dukenfield, W. C. Fields 1880 1946Best RegardsClear Ether

author: poptones
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2012, 08:49:03 am
content: I'm not so sure you're getting the right numbers on that. GM has said that 50K number is grossly exaggerated. It's like the "low demand" some press likes to talk about regarding the volt as well (upwards of 1200 units a month) but we don't hear similar arguments about the Escalade, which sells in similar numbers (about 1200 units a month) - a vehicle which, btw, makes mad profits for the company.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 20, 2012, 08:54:51 am
content: What's so wrong with early electric cars? Gasoline isn't going to be around forever. Gotta move on.

author: johnboxall
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 20, 2012, 12:21:29 pm
content: Quote from: SgtRock on September 20, 2012, 05:59:55 amIt's only a proposal. However knowing Campbell Newman (Premier of Qld) I wouldn't put it past him. Once it looks good on the balance sheet they'll most likely sell it.

author: SgtRock
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 20, 2012, 05:39:58 pm
content: Greetings EEVBees:--Tom66 has said "What's so wrong with early electric cars? Gasoline isn't going to be around forever. Gotta move on." It is kind of reminiscent of "we need more goverment subsidized inferior mousetraps, not less." is it not. It would not make a difference if the Volt was loosing 10 times as much taxpayer money. The same for UK wind catastrophe, or the Spanish, Italian, German, Australian, and other PV debacles. These scams are always sold by the governments on the cheap, then when they turn out to be dead losers, they are defended as "progress" and the defenders set about laying about the head and shoulders of stupid villagers who think 2 plus 2 equals 4."The only relevant test of the validity of a hypothesis is comparison of prediction with experience. "Milton Friedman 1912 - 2006Best RegardsClear Ether

author: kd7eir
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 21, 2012, 12:09:25 am
content: RE: Volt $50,000 per unit loss:The issue with Reuters’ math, though, is that it only takes into account the 21,500 Volts sold so far, as if GM would never sell another one. If that is taken to be true, then each Volt sold has cost GM around $55,000 in development costs. However, each Volt sold spreads out the development costs incrementally, pushing down the R&D cost per unit. GM has acknowledged that it has not yet sold enough Volts to break even, but it suspects that it will reach the break-even point by the time the second- generation Volt is introduced onto the market in about three years’ time.In a related news item, I heard that Ford has delivered the first dozen C-Max hybrids, and it cost the company about $500 million to develop the program, and therefore Ford is losing $41,666,667 on every copy they sell.