New products from FLIR at CES 2017 - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: encryptededdy
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 07:39:02 am
content: See:http://www.flir.com/ces2017/FLIR DuoAction Cam shaped thermal imager for use with Drones. 160x120 Thermal Camera (assume Lepton 3) and 1920x1080 visual camera. Supports MSX.$999 for Standard and $1299 for Radiometric.FLIR C3Like a C2 but with WiFi. Still 80x60 (wtf??)$699FLIR One G3Downgraded to 80x60, but only $199.New 1440x1080 visual camera (up from VGA)New USB-C connector versionFLIR One Pro160x120, $399.New 1440x1080 visual camera (up from VGA)New "VividIR" Image ProcessorNew USB-C connector version

author: Chanc3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 09:11:19 am
content: Just got the press release also. Looks like the FLIR One G3 also has an adjustable height connector (at last!)Full press release:Quote

author: tomas123
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 09:46:03 am
content: http://www.flir.com/home/news/details/?ID=81824Quotea Lepton sensor with320x240pixel???I think they mean "four times the resolution" versus first generation of FLIR ONE 80x60 (=> 160x120)

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 12:27:03 pm
content: QuoteThis is wrong 100%!Perhaps the sentence should go like this:The new FLIR ONE Pro features our Lepton thermal sensor and visible camera, which has four times the resolution of the standard third generation FLIR ONE.(640x480 -> 1440x1080 )

author: tomas123
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 12:27:59 pm
content: I answer myself, there are two new Flir Ones:http://www.flir.com/flirone/flironegen3/Quotehttp://www.flir.com/flirone/flironepro/Quote

author: frenky
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 12:32:07 pm
content: I see it now...It does have 4 times the resolution of their (basic) 3rd gen Flir one which has only 80x60.Well this is one way to make a marketing department happy.I guess they did not want to write: "It has the same resolution as previous generation Flir One".

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 07:36:49 pm
content: It would have been nice if the PRO contained the planned 320 x 240 but AFAIK it is not ready yet. The lower resolution STANDARD model is a bit of a joke really. A retrograde step but as some have noted, likely a marketing move. IMHO FLIR should set their resolution baseline at 160 x 120 where the resolution is generally satisfactory for many tasks.The PRO version does not appear to be that much more advanced than the F1G2 but the proof will be in the side by side testing of the two generations. It still uses a standard LEPTON 3 core so only image processing is open to improvement.I wonder if the new APP provides the full 160 x 120 resolution, T span, T centre and MSX disable ?Fraser

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2017, 08:11:00 pm
content: I'm curious as to why Flir are continuing with the 80x60 sensor at all now they have the higher res version. I wonder if they are having yield issues.I have a 160x120 Lepton in the teardown pile so will be interesting to compare die area once I get round to it

author: paradigmic
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 07:28:51 am
content: Do they have any example footage from the action cam? I feel like $1k is going to be a tough sell considering even the most expensive GoPro is like half that, and even then they are having a lot of trouble competing with all the really cheap Chinese action cams. The thermal camera on the FLIR is still < 9Hz and 160x120 too, so I can't imagine it's going to look very good paired with the visible light camera.

author: Chanc3
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2017, 10:09:44 am
content: I suspect that still have a shed load if the Gen1 Lepton cores left so are using those up before releasing the higher res version - standard FLIR!On a side note, we've had an email saying FLIR are dropping their prices of cameras, which leads me to believe that a new wave of pro cameras are on their way!

author: nowlan
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timestamp: January 05, 2017, 10:24:40 am
content: What is the story with radiometric?Google keeps talking about dating rocks.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 07, 2017, 01:48:51 pm
content: Hmmm we may see the prices of used F1G2 cameras starting g to climb if FLIR delete that model from their range. The F1G2 offers 160 x 120 resolution at a cheaper price than the F1G3 PRO.The drone application for these new cameras is interesting. I have already seen a drone for sale that is equipped with the F1G2. No idea how it is interfaced to the mobile phone but still pretty neat. I can see applications for such low cost thermal camera equipped drones as the flight platform is far more stable than other rotary and fixed wing airframes. In the hover even an F1G2 could reveal areas of higher temperature worthy of further detailed investigation with a visible light camera. Wildlife spotting and fire detection comes to mind. Aerial home surveys is another possibility. Sure the thermal image will not be wonderful but maybe adequate. Consider S&R duties searching for lost or injured climbers. On,y the heat spot is needed, not a detailed thermal image. From altitude a search team gets to cover an area far more effectively and quickly. Drones can carry out automated search patterns as well. A wonderful S&R tool.Regarding competition with the Go-Pro........ Hmmmm not sure that we should even compare such. Apples and Oranges, and all thatThe Go-Pro is a superb product for visible light work. The FLIR offering is not trying to compete in the same market. It is a thermal camera with visible light camera providing context and additional target detail. You could use a thermal camera scout to track down a target and a Go-Pro to capture decent video of it. Expecting FLIR to produce a Go-Pro standard camera with added Lepton 3 is a big ask. Go-Pro have had years to develop their product.As I had hoped, the consumer thermal camera market continues to evolve. I am hoping for another major leap in the technology soon in the form of a Lepton 4 equipped with 320 x 240 microbolometer plus user selectable lenses, and a development platform for custom designs. I can but hopeSadly FLIR will likely continue development of the Lepton with integration into their own products a priority rather than 3rd party development of host platforms.2017 could still be an interesting year though.Imagine thermal camera technology becoming so affordable that every firefighter in the UK or similar country having one for personal safety and S&R work. Most mariners being able to afford one for 'man overboard' searches and. Mountain rescue teams having them for S&R duties. There is much good that can be done with an affordable thermal camera that has decent resolution plus a good lens. I would love to be in a position to provide such a product to such worthy causes.Fraser

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2017, 11:25:54 pm
content: I'm glad I put in an order for a new F1G2 before the end of the year. However, TEquipment pushed the ship date out twice, so far. First to February. Now to July.I wonder if they'll really be able to get them anymore. If not, I'll take a One Pro in lieu of it.

author: RGB255_0_0
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 12, 2017, 11:30:42 pm
content: I was waiting for a Type-C version but opted for the micro G2 before these were announced and glad I didn't wait.Be interesting to see whether the camera module in the G2 could be "updated" though.