Seek Hakko Fr-410 and Fr-400 comments - Page 1
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author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2017, 05:44:16 am
content: Are they complementary to each other, or is FR-400 is the super set of FR-410?If they are complementary, I am thinking to get the FR-410 first. Otherwise, I shall jump straight to FR-400.

author: simone.pignatti
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timestamp: February 11, 2017, 09:16:37 am
content: Hello! Both FR-400 and FR-410 use the new system to reduce solder clogging. FR-400 is 300W and FR-410 is 140W.FR-410 offers a wide range of nozzles which will help you on a variety of desoldering works.We have shipped several of both and customers are happy, no quality issue.Please feel free to ask more.

author: RayRay
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 11, 2017, 10:20:34 pm
content: Are you being serious on this?From a brief check I've made, the Hakko FR-400 costs 3.6k on Amazon, and $1650 on eBay, while the FR-410 is $950 on Amazon, and $1295 on eBay. Spending that much money on a desoldering gun is just crazy IMO.You could just get the Chinese S-993A for $100, it'd work just as well, and would save you HUGE amounts of money!I have nothing against Hakko products, but their prices are beyond outrageous.If they were a monopoly that's one thing, but they're not!There are other companies making the same kind of products (and selling em at far more reasonable prices)Nothing justifies their pricing, nothing at all. It's pure greed!

author: eKretz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2017, 12:23:14 am
content: I would recommend checking out the Metcal MX-DS1 too. I ended up with a full setup for pretty cheap by trolling eBay and being patient. I think all in I have maybe $160 invested. You do need a shop air source though.

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2017, 01:39:37 am
content: I have a Hakko 474, 808 and quite a number of Chinese clones. I use and like the Chinese hot-air machine, BGA rework station, soldering irons, but for the desoldering tool, the slight difference in the suction power can make a lot of differences in able to cleanly desolder or not.Metcal one sounds better, I can tell it is providing the type of burst suction that is best for desoldering. Quiet compressed air source is a problem. Didn't know can get it that cheap, shall track it. THANKS.

author: eKretz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2017, 01:45:39 am
content: I made a virtually silent compressor from a couple old refrigerator compressors running in parallel. It is literally as quiet as a fridge and keeps up with the MX-DS1 just fine. If you try this just make sure you have a drier/filter on the output side or you'll get a lot of oil vapor. Also, add a little oil now and again to the intake tube of the compressors (I use plain odorless mineral oil) to replace any that the filter takes out.

author: LaurentR
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2017, 07:59:34 am
content: MX-DS1 user here too.I am a very occasional user and I am using paintball CO2 botttles with a 80psi regulator. No compressor.If you want a cheap compressor, grab a big shop compressor at Harbor Freight.If you want a small, inexpensive compressor, grab one of the better paintbrush compressors. You can get good ones ofr $100, but they will provide somewhat less than 80psi.If you want a basically silent compressor, the state of the art is SilentAire SuperSilent serieshttp://www.silentaire.com/silentaire/supersilent.aspThe 20-A is the entry level model and would work just fine (but it may provide slightly below 80psi). For a solid 80psi, the DR 150. Pricey but astonishingly quiet (my wife has a 20-A and it's the industry standard for silent compressors in her neck of the woods).

author: eKretz
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: February 12, 2017, 08:36:57 am
content: Those Silent Aire compressors are pretty clearly based on fridge style compressors. They will definitely be very quiet also. I run a 5 gallon tank on my setup though. High pressure air tank might be an interesting idea if you already have one too (I actually do - I've got a 4500psi 88CF'er for refilling my air gun). What did the 85psi regulator cost?