playing with Microsoft's Recall: TotalRecall - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 01:52:59 pm
content: TotalRecall:https://github.com/xaitax/TotalRecallQuote

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 10:12:41 pm
content: Very nice idea.

author: 3roomlab
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: June 05, 2024, 10:22:28 pm
content: this just blew my mindQuote

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 09:10:23 am
content: Another day in Big TechQuote

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 07:10:04 pm
content: Quote from: 3roomlab on June 05, 2024, 10:22:28 pmI don't understand the above statement. Isn't Azure a cloud service, and so is Azure AI? How can it be "running on your device"?

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 06, 2024, 08:35:13 pm
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on June 06, 2024, 07:10:04 pmShh! The Train is leaving the Station, and you're gonna be left behind if you ask questions. Better just hop on board!

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 05:16:40 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 06, 2024, 08:35:13 pmNo problem, I prefer flying anyway.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 08:18:19 am
content: Google is working on something similar, not because of the imagined nefarious reasons, but because it's a great idea.Once the dust has settled, Apple will do it too. They will have some extra sham encryption on disk with keys hidden from the owner, for PR reasons after learning from Microsoft, because in a world where it's necessary to bash Microsoft keeping the data on the computer you own slightly hidden from you the owner is supposedly good. Of course data will be unencrypted in memory (they aren't complete DRM machines yet either, so there is no alternative) but no one will bother extracting it.Yes admins can get all your shit, like they can do any way. Yes if you get hacked and the hacker has admin rights that includes them. Yes, it's still a great idea. Recall is local and has got little to do with Azure.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 04:43:46 pm
content: Quote from: Marco on June 07, 2024, 08:18:19 amPretty small-minded response from you on this, I have to admit.Some of us consider their business model, making their users' information and behaviour the product they sell, the nefarious bit. As that is clearly expressed in their business statements, it is not "imagined" at all.Fortunately, Microsoft, Apple, and Google/Alphabet, are not the only sources of operating systems one can choose from nowadays.I for one am very happy that there is the GNU project, the FreeBSD and OpenBSD projects, and a few other smaller OS projects of all sorts. It is all about end user options and freedom of choice, to implement whatever workflow suits their needs best.

author: DiTBho
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 07, 2024, 04:59:07 pm
content: Microsoft - that's what I got from their talks - is investing in A.I. as the want to integrate "chatgpt" into Windows.

author: madires
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 01:13:56 pm
content: After "listening to their customers" Microsoft will change Recall from opt-out to opt-in: Update on the Recall preview feature for Copilot+ PCs (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2024/06/07/update-on-the-recall-preview-feature-for-copilot-pcs/).I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft will try other means to push Recall or revert it back to opt-out after the dust has settled.BTW, Adobe are also facing a shitstorm after changing their terms and conditions to scan their customer's content stored in their cloud platform. Customers fear that Adobe will use that content to train their AI. The scanning could be just for illegal content, but the wording seems to leave a backdoor for more.Edit:Microsoft improves AI feature Recall and adds "security measures" – is that enough? (https://borncity.com/win/2024/06/08/microsoft-improves-ai-function-recall-and-adds-security-measures-is-that-enough/, adblocker recommended)

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 03:34:46 pm
content: How many years till Clippy pops up and shows you affiliate links to order things you looked at?There has to be some purpose to it, right?

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 04:08:14 pm
content: lmfao trench coat clippy and warez. that little hustler has cheap viagra. he wants to sell some to that neighbor you let write a letter on your computer.give me 500 bucks and ill go away you degenerate prick-Clippy Spilotro

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 08:32:37 pm
content: Quote from: madires on June 08, 2024, 01:13:56 pmTo be clear, the security being complained about was people being able to see the data as admin ... cause that's somehow outrageous, you'd almost think the admin can't trivially screenscrape users to begin with ...

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 09:49:40 pm
content: Normally admin access isn't enough to see your past.With Recall you will need to constanty act as if somebody is looking at your screen, because at any point in any distant future you may leave the machine unattended and unlocked or get hacked and then somebody actually will. No "unhiding" passwords, no watching things you wouldn't want your wife to know you watched (think eBay offers), and so on. This thing has absolutely no concept of what should or shouldn't be remembered, it just saves everything indiscriminately and stores it forever.

author: Marco
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 08, 2024, 11:40:10 pm
content: Except for your non deleted browser history and email, together with stored passwords and form autofill. Afterwards they can leave surveillance behind, you're screwed regardless.

author: golden_labels
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2024, 12:19:49 am
content: Quote from: Nominal Animal on June 07, 2024, 04:43:46 pmLet me remind you, that lawmakers and authorities are completely oblivious to this concept of freedom.

author: Nominal Animal
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2024, 01:05:34 am
content: Quote from: golden_labels on June 09, 2024, 12:19:49 amNot exactly so. We do still have parts in the government that pushes for open standards, transparency in governance, and so on –– even though they are losing, and the "everyone (except me) must be tracked 24/7" crowd is winning.I wonder if the Recall feature includes a mouse tracker and a keylogger?

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 09, 2024, 06:22:45 am
content: Anything of value exist regardless of or despite "lawmakers and government", not because of them, so who cares what they think