Rigol releases DS4000, an over $3000 scope - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: Storeinfinity
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 02:20:17 am
content: Interestingly it is only on Chinese site of Rigol.http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/DS4000/(makesure you click the region as China)I tried the google translate for the site of DS4000 but somehow failedanyway here are some specs from the site in Chinese, if you also have troubles auto translating via google, let me know so that I can translate the whole page.Bandwidth ranges from 100MHz,200MHz,350MHz to 500MHz4G Sa/s sample rate140Mpts memory2/4 channels110,000 per second wave captureBest rigardsMischa Khaulan

author: Storeinfinity
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 02:39:07 am
content: Here are some imagesjust in case you can't open the site with ur IP address

author: Storeinfinity
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 02:41:12 am
content: Here comes more!And I will write the explaination in English soon.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 07:37:21 am
content: Interesting! Definitely not the look alike clones we've since since the 1052e. In one pdf:http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/DS4000/document/?act=view&itemid=683

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 08:21:20 am
content: Quote from: Storeinfinity on September 29, 2011, 02:20:17 ami see a 1GHz scope. dont reply, i'm from Nyquist School

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 08:59:07 am
content: Probably based on their high performance 6000 series scopes.Amazing what you can get for the money these days.I wonder if the front end is the same across all scopes, Agilent couldn't manage it for the price.Dave.

author: Mechatrommer
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 10:32:07 am
content: aesthetically, agilent is better imo. the monitor looks smallish in this rigol. i wonder what size it is.

author: ejeffrey
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 10:43:42 am
content: Has anyone used these? How is the firmware? If I am paying for a high end scope I don't want to be constantly fighting with the user interface in order to take advantage of its features.

author: Storeinfinity
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 10:55:58 am
content: Well, I tried to add some comments on the pdf of DS4000, translating Chinese to English.Here I attach two split files from the previous Chinese only pdfDownload them and read the English partYou are more than welcome to challenge my translationAll you need is clicking on the yellowish Chinese characters and comments pop out.I did this with my Mac lion, acrobat mac and it looks ok. Hopefully it works elsewhere.I did not finish the whole spec reckoning folks here do understand a lotif you have trouble guessing what it says on page seven let me knowI will do that page as well upon request.Btw, Chinese mainland National day is coming on the first of Oct.That's golden week we call. Most Chinese have at least 5 days off and some smart combine their deposite day offs to make a sweet long vacation before the cold Spring festival in Feb.Cheersbtw, the attachment limits are pain in the ass but I do understand the pain in server's ass. So I will try to upload them soonOk, I managed to uploaded here:http://www.storeinfinity.com/media/DS4000.pdfciao

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 11:15:36 am
content: Quote from: Mechatrommer on September 29, 2011, 10:32:07 am9" with 800x480 resolution

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 11:58:48 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on September 29, 2011, 08:59:07 amWill you contact them for a review?Alexander.

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 02:24:31 pm
content: Good job translating.These scopes look like a whole new class of low end scopes, a lot now depends on what they price it. It appears better than many of the scopes reviewed on eevblog except the Agilent Infinivisions.Just for an idea, what is the list price of the top model DS4054?And the lowest end 2-ch 4012?Quote from: Storeinfinity on September 29, 2011, 10:55:58 am

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 02:50:47 pm
content: Quote from: saturation on September 29, 2011, 02:24:31 pmyou can already guess, when you look on the DS6000 series, the 1Ghz 2ch model costs the same as 4ch 600MHz.So the DS4000 top model will probably costs the same as 600MHz DS6000 (6500USD).Now the 200Mhz will costs half the price and 100MHz model again the half, so something(at least!)about 1200-1800USD for 100Mhz two channel DS4000 and 4ch 100MHz 2000-2400USD.But of course that's only a guess, you never know how much price difference is in real to sample at 4 instead of 5GSs,nor how much cheaper (if any) is the bit lower wfrm/s rate nor what Rigol calculated as bottom price.More important would be to know the price list for protocol options, this might be additional win/no winNow the topic says "over 3k USD", which is for me as just over ... so let's imagine this is press price forlowest model with all options which then back calculated can be really around 1200-1800USD for lowest model.Aynway, we will know it soon.oh well, the price is on the website, starting from 19800CNY, that's 3000USD.So good night Hameg ...

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 03:55:53 pm
content: Yes, couldn't decipher it from laziness, thanks tinhead. If it starts at $3k, that's a bit tough compared to Agilent, as we need to factor in Rigol's reputation for tech support and the many quality variations we see for various products of theirs made on the forum.Quote from: tinhead on September 29, 2011, 02:50:47 pm

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 04:20:22 pm
content: Quote from: saturation on September 29, 2011, 03:55:53 pmwell, twice the sample rate, twice wfrm/s, 1400x memory depth might be a reason to pay twice the Agilent price

author: ToBeFrank
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 06:06:30 pm
content: Quote from: tinhead on September 29, 2011, 04:20:22 pmYou're comparing it to the Agilent 2000X. That's apples and oranges. At that price point the direct comparison would be the 3000X. We end up with:Sample rate: sameUpdate rate: Agilent 10x moreMemory depth: Rigol 70x more

author: saturation
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 08:23:06 pm
content: Thanks for the update 2bFrank, I was just reading the Agilent line up and was about to mention that. At Rigol's priced range [ the street price could be less once its released ], one has to weigh using more memory as it reduces the update rate more relative to each sweep speed.For more details [ keep in mind its Agilent's app notes so its not entirely unbiased]http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5989-5732EN.pdfhttp://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5989-7885EN.pdfQuote from: ToBeFrank on September 29, 2011, 06:06:30 pm

author: tinhead
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: September 29, 2011, 10:19:55 pm
content: Quote from: ToBeFrank on September 29, 2011, 06:06:30 pmactually with both, the low specs DS4000 models are more relevant to DSOX2000 where high spec (and as well DS6000)are in DSOX3000 class. However, we don't know anything about included options in that price nor final option price,and definitely nothing about what the firmware really can, so not a time for real compare.Just from specs i would say worth money. Now with these DS6xxx and DS4xxx a very bright product range has beencovered by Rigol, te question is when the DS2xxx for 1k USD class will follow. I just can't imagine that Rigol will sellfor years these outdated E/D series. Sure CA is nice on paper, but i just can't believe that Rigol will continue with these series.

author: Storeinfinity
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: October 21, 2011, 09:33:32 am
content: Quote from: saturation on September 29, 2011, 02:24:31 pm