Youtube videos and sycophants... - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 10:04:45 am
content: I've just had to delete several comments I wrote but didn't post on a youtube video that's so full of whiney ranting and possibly actionable statements from a content creator I used to respect...Showed them up in a whole new light and absolutely destroyed my opinion of them.What's surprised me even more is that the comments left by the fans have universally failed to pull him up on any of the inaccuracies or flaws in any of his arguments, I know I'd have been savaged if I'd pointed out any of the flaws I saw.And yes, I'm posting this here more as a way of just making sense of my thoughts.Makes you realise just how valuable content creators like Dave really are.

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 10:09:00 am
content: Name the creator, and most importantly the comments you find objectionable.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 10:13:04 am
content: Quote from: TheAmmoniacal on July 19, 2017, 10:09:00 amNope, I don't want to get into the flame war that'd start.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 10:16:12 am
content: Humans succumb to bandwagoning, more tonight at 9:00.Tim

author: TheAmmoniacal
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 10:18:41 am
content: People take offense so easily these days, the most benign things.. facts..

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 10:19:15 am
content: Quote from: T3sl4co1l on July 19, 2017, 10:16:12 amI know, it's human nature but the flaws are so obvious it's almost embarrassing to watch, he even shows evidence which contradicts some of his arguments when he's trying to prove another point so the comments are just laughable.

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 10:23:35 am
content: Sounds like the guy doesn't deserve your respect anyway.The average human is completely incompetent at constructing a rational argument, at thinking critically. That conflicting arguments are seen as supporting the whole, should come as no surprise. I mean, just look at US politics this year, or, really, any year, or really, anywhere...Embarrassing, yes.Tim

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 11:38:43 am
content: Quote from: CJay on July 19, 2017, 10:04:45 amCan you elaborate more?Was it someone in our engineering space?Was it something they said in response to you?, or someone else?, or just off-the-bat in the video?What form did the "actionable statement" take?etcJust an aside, I'll say it'sreallyhard being a content creator and reading all the comments.Sometimes viewer will see a creator respond to a comment or whatever in a way that might seems harsh or not warranted etc. And from the viewers perspective that might be true, but what often don't see or understand is the often dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of times a content producer has to see the same type of comment etc. That can really get to you.It's practically impossible to not "lose it" sometimes and vent in frustration.Sometime I really want to tell people to just, well, you know, *insert expletive*, but I have to often restrain myself.It's practically a daily battle with yourself.The bigger you channel gets, the more views you get, and the worse it gets.It's why many creators either disable comments entirely or simply don't read them.I like to take the approach of reading as many as I can and responding were possible, and trying to help people understand the point of view of the content producer. But often that is an entirely fruitless exercise.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 11:53:35 am
content: Oops, just realised you implied it was a statement in the video.If you think someone has said something demonstrably wrong in a video, then say so in the comment. Let the argument speak for itself.As a content producer, if it's just your opinion instead of a demonstrably fact, then the content producer might prefer that you didn't post that, becauseeveryonehas an opinionOf course, that's what a comment section is for, but (talking generally now) don't expect a content producer to care what you think.It is impossible to please everyone with your video/opinion/statements etc, and there will always be people in your position that have found a straw that ultimately breaks their respect or whatever for you.For me that can be as simple as telling a dead cat joke and a flood of email comes in telling me why they are unsubscribing

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 19, 2017, 12:27:16 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on July 19, 2017, 11:38:43 amI have no involvement other than as a viewer, I got a notification they'd posted a new video and went to watch it, I no longer subscribe.The channel owner has screwed up and is trying desperately to shuffle the blame onto someone else, they claim dishonesty and fraud by the other party as well as naming and shaming them, it's not an accusation I'd want put out there with my name on it unless I was damn sure of my ground.It's not a debunk, it's just a downright attack because the creator feels butthurt.The comments are pure kiss arse and I get the feeling anyone who points out the obvious flaws would be attacked mercilessly.It's someone in the engineering field so I don't want to bring an argument here, indeed, there isn't one as far as I can see unless I name and shame or comment.Quote from: EEVblog on July 19, 2017, 11:38:43 amI'm not at all surprised it's difficult dealing with comments, you'll never please everyone and there are some spectacularly unpleasant/stupid people out there who take great pleasure in trying to start fights or derail a debate.I appreciate anyone who provides good content and is willing to take on well thought out criticism or the time to explain why things are as they are and has the patience to put up with or ignore the idiots who want a fight.Doesn't mean to say that I don't sometimes sit screaming at the scream when I see you miss something on a repair though.

author: dexters_lab
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 20, 2017, 12:26:52 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on July 19, 2017, 10:04:45 amdone that myself a few times... wrote a comment and then discarded it before posting because i don't want to start some long winded debate!

author: brucehoult
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 20, 2017, 01:37:38 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on July 19, 2017, 10:04:45 amDoes this whiney ranter add a parenthetic "personal opinion" or "honest opinion" to otherwise possibly actionable statements on a regular basis?

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 21, 2017, 07:40:10 pm
content: Does the video involve power tools?

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 21, 2017, 10:22:26 pm
content: Quote from: deflicted on July 21, 2017, 07:40:10 pmIs someone threatening to attack poor AvE?Or was it a flat-earther?If it was...DESTROY THEM

author: deflicted
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 21, 2017, 10:43:52 pm
content: Quote from: Cyberdragon on July 21, 2017, 10:22:26 pmWell, not sure if it has anything at all to do with whatever OP is talking about, but evidently there was a bit of controversy over AvE calling out another tool reviewer for using fraudulent test methods and being a paid shill. He doesn't call out the other reviewer by name, but I guess if you follow these sorts of channels, you probably know who he's talking about.Here's the AvE video in question. Skip to the 20:05 mark to see the start of his rant.https://youtu.be/WG8KU_ln77kEdit: I'm just a casual observer here with no skin in the game, and no opinion on who's right and who's wrong. I don't know nearly enough about how impact guns work to even form an opinion. Just relating what I've seen on YT. A couple other YouTubers even made a whole video discussing the controversy, and for all I know there are half a dozen similar videos by now.

author: CJay
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2017, 08:40:34 am
content: Sorry guys, I've vented my spleen now and I'm not going to name or give any clues as to who it was, like i said, I don't want to get into a fight over this.My opinion was and still is that the video was grossly unfair and some of the comments made were potentially actionable, certainly deserving of an apology.Nobody here has named the creator.Other than that, no further comment.

author: RGB255_0_0
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2017, 09:21:06 am
content: By backing off I feel as though you've cowardly backed off and allowed the creator to get away with it because you're afraid of some mean replies to your comment?People do make mistakes, but from the tone you believe it's almost deliberate?

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2017, 09:39:18 am
content: When AvE states that a tool or its usage is"good enough for the women he hangs out with"it's always worth a look

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2017, 01:51:45 pm
content: Must be a Kanuckistan thing, i understand him perfectly, and I am definitely not Canadian. Do not even Parle Voux Francaise.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: July 22, 2017, 04:19:37 pm
content: Much to my own surprise, I also found that I followed his unique expressions with ease. Sometimes they even raised a grin.Interesting character.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2017, 04:51:09 pm
content: Quote from: CJay on July 22, 2017, 08:40:34 amThen what's the point of this thread? If you're not going to give a link to the video then why make a thread about it?

author: T3sl4co1l
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2017, 08:04:15 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on July 22, 2017, 04:51:09 pmWe can't discuss human psychology here?Tim

author: Kjelt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 22, 2017, 08:21:59 pm
content: I don't know what is being discussed here without some concrete link or material to discuss over but it certainly is not psychology.

author: Electro Detective
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 23, 2017, 12:45:53 am
content: Looks like the end of the line then for the post?oh well, back to the bench..

author: rsjsouza
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: July 26, 2017, 11:05:09 am
content: Quote from: cleaningOut on July 23, 2017, 04:41:21 amHahaha!!! Perhaps this has to do with this week's Youtube meltdown between Sargon of Akkad and him...