Looking for a house camera system what will run local. Do you have any? - Page 1
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author: Miyuki
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2023, 10:04:57 am
content: Hi folks.I want to ask if some of you have experience with some security camera system, that will run locally, have some motion detection, allow to have video doorbell integrated, and can be connected from phones (on wifi).Nothing huge, just a few cameras and a few days of footage with motion detection to keep track.

author: Miyuki
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2023, 10:29:28 am
content: I'm going more toward the NVR solution, Reolink looks to have a complete system and even doorbell can cooperate with itSD cards in cameras are a pain and you need to have cable anyway so why not record it centralized. It is much more convenient

author: mendip_discovery
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 02, 2023, 11:17:29 am
content: [jacket="Flameproof"]I did a dual thing. I have a Ubiquity dream machine, that records cameras in 4k. These record 24/7 and I can access the machine from my phone to look at stuff. Often used to see if somone was messing about with the locks etc.I also have some Blink cameras in locations that doesn't get footfall unless they break a gate down. This is used a motion detector that pings my phone that there has been movement.

author: EPAIII
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2023, 09:37:00 am
content: Can you say, "coax"?Seems to me that all the security camera systems were "local" before the internet came along. Of course they cost more.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2023, 09:38:21 am
content: I have an inexpensive ANNKE system that can run entirely local up to 4 x 1080p cameras (technically the horizontal resolution is 1440 so not true 1080p). Cameras are analog and work over coax. It can work over a network if you want it to, but I'm not going to do that until I have a proper VLAN setup supporting it. To get 'app' integration you would use some kind of RTP service running on your phone, there are a few available, but it would only work locally if you had a VLAN setup. You can get it to broadcast on the internet but that sounds like a bad idea to me!

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2023, 01:15:25 pm
content: Coincidentally I'm upgrading our CCTV right now (partly prompted by some walker whose dog savaged one of our hens).We already have five analogue cameras so the new setup needs to be able to handle those. However, they are dead in the water nowadays and IP cameras are the future, so somehow I need to allow for those as replacements. Don't need (or want) offsite access but do need remote display, PC display and mobile (but restricted to LAN).I've just installed a Dahua XVR (a just obsolete model, so reasonably cheap at £80 without storage) which has notionally 16 channels but can go up to 24 if you make 17+ IP cameras (and lose IVS). Any combination of analogue/IP with the only restriction that they are all bunched together, with analogue first. So you could have cams 1-4 analogue, 5-16 IP. Or 1-13 analogue, 12-16 IP. Etc.Display is either VGA or HDMI. The previous setup had VGA locally and coax to the remote screen, but that was over UTP. With the new one I could use HDMI locally and VGA over UTP to the remote display. But instead I picked up an old IC-Stream64 which is essentially an NVR without storage and intended for exactly this purpose.The Dahua handles both types of camera very well. With IP cameras it can do PTZ if the camera has it built in. Talking ONVIF seems to be best, but it's picky - an old Keekon which can be views with many ONVIF utils isn't seen by the Dahua.So far as Internet access goes, none is required. Even the official Dahua mobile app can work entirely locally. The NVR has a built-in firewall so you can ensure only local addresses are allowed (although, given the source, I wouldn't trust it not to do a google and allow certain parent addresses on the sly). There is a P2P mode which sounds dodgy, but so far as I can make out it allows remote access without having port forwarding. The NVR and remote station contact a central server which connects them together and then gets out the way, so it's not P2P as you might imagine file sharing, nor is it cloud like Netvue. Still potential for some third party to sneak in if your password is rubbish, although you aren't allowed to use a stupidly simple password.Just also noticed that because it talks ONVIF it can be embedded in Home Assistant (although the frame rate is about 10s/frame, unsurprisingly).For a startup system I would be inclined to go all IP from the start, but IP cameras with decent lenses (that is, zoomable for use over more than 10') seem to be rare or expensive. You can still get the analogue ones with 270x zoom (27x optical) quite cheap, so a mixed system might be preferred.