"well educated" fools - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 01:36:59 am
content: I raised the observation awhile back that education doesn't mean intelligence, as evidenced by the countless "well educated" fools I have seen in my life.The latest example is in a boston.com report where a Harvard professor was trying to shake down a small restaurant owner for a few dollars. The professor ended up issuing an apology, and in the process getting his reputation and potentially lucrative consulting contracts ruined.If you read up on the professor, he seems quite extraordinary in that he graduated two years with a PhD out of Harvard, among others (Harvard undergrate, Harvard Law and HBS professorship, etc.).He threw away so much for so little.Amazing.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 01:41:30 am
content: And this is on the heels of the Gruber story, for an equally gifted guy, from MIT Econ (every bit as prestigious as HBS). At least Gruber's sin is telling the 'inconvenient' truth - actually, I think he said the undesirable but obvious, for millions of dollars, versus the Harvard guy who did it for a few dollars.Both are so smart that they are stupid.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 01:43:03 am
content: Here is the Boston.com story:http://www.boston.com/food-dining/restaurants/2014/12/09/harvard-business-school-professor-goes-war-over-worth-chinese-food/KfMaEhab6uUY1COCnTbrXP/story.html

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 02:33:13 am
content: Breaking: Assholes exist.More at 11.

author: FrankenPC
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 04:01:51 am
content: There's ego driven genius's like Steve Jobs. And there's OC disorder genius artists like Wozniak. I prefer the OC genius. Ego genius's can be a terrible assholes.

author: calexanian
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 05:58:01 am
content: Ego geniuses works until he can make you believe he is right. OC geniuses works until he is right.

author: Paul Moir
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 07:57:15 am
content: I think the big difference isn't due to intelligence (by whatever dubious metric) but actually being insulated from the rest of society. They simply do not know that the person they're dealing with is a human being just like them.Back when I used to work construction, we avoided professors and medical doctors like the plague. At best they were troublesome clients and at the worst they were litigious. Engineers, lawyers, etc, no problem at all. And I should say for the exception that a psychiatry PhD was one of the best, but he did have a practice with actual clients.

author: george graves
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 10:03:50 am
content: Quote from: FrankenPC on December 11, 2014, 04:01:51 amQuote from: calexanian on December 11, 2014, 05:58:01 amAm I the only one that find it odd that this forum seems to celebrate mental disorders like OC (OCD), and asperger's. In some threads people almost seem to brag about it.Don't kill the messenger - I'm just pointing out an observation.Online Aspergers syndrome test. (Read 5068 times)https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/online-aspergers-syndrome-test/Topic: Du you got aspergers, and does it explane your intrest in electronics? (Read 3636 times)https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/du-you-got-aspergers-and-does-it-explane-your-intrest-in-electronics/

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 10:14:58 am
content: There is significant inverse correlation between intelligence and common sense. I've yet to meet a PhD with much in the way of nous

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 10:23:05 am
content: Quote from: KJDS on December 11, 2014, 10:14:58 amI think inverse correlation is the wrong perspective. There are a lot of PhDs who achieve a depth of understanding by the total abandonment of breadth.

author: coppice
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 10:24:18 am
content: Closer to electronics, William Shockley was a Nobel winner with a seriously nasty attitude about mankind.

author: scatha
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 11:22:55 am
content: Brian Josephson was another Nobel laureate who subsequently became a bit of a weirdo.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 12:14:13 pm
content: QuoteQuite a few of such examples.As to "racist", well, that's more of a tool used by some to push their agenda.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 01:36:21 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on December 11, 2014, 10:14:58 amI've met many PhDs with nous - more than without nous, in fact.Don't pidgeon-hole people: that way lies racism, sexism, and all sorts of other undesirable attitudes.

author: Yago
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 01:40:55 pm
content: When you look at all those weird people listed (Shockley etc), The Big Bang Theory could have been a whole lot different show!That said, the doctors I met (Phd!) have all been of good sense and wide ranging abilities.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 02:57:28 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on December 11, 2014, 01:36:21 pmIt's called eduphobia. noun. dislike of or prejudice against people with higher education.It's very common in these forums and the moderators seem to be ok with it.

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 03:03:48 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on December 11, 2014, 02:57:28 pmGiven that I have a Masters degree I'm very unlikely to suffer from eduphobia.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 04:15:04 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on December 11, 2014, 03:03:48 pmWell, your earlier expression of eduphobia "I've yet to meet a PhD with much in the way of nous" was against people with degrees higher than yours so it's a perfect match. ;-)

author: KJDS
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 04:21:12 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on December 11, 2014, 04:15:04 pmI'm not scared of education, or of those with a higher degree than mine. I was just stating what I've found in life.

author: Richard Crowley
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 04:32:09 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on December 11, 2014, 10:13:00 amOr Charles Darwin. It is no longer Politically Correct to quote the ENTIRE title of his famous book: "The Origin of Species by Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life". And there are whole segments of his philosophy that are hidden on the back shelf as "unenightened".As others have observed, if highly-educated and focused people were generally well-rounded, TV sitcom shows like "Big Bang Theory" would never have been proposed, much less produced and become so popular.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 04:38:41 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on December 11, 2014, 04:21:12 pmIf have have a Masters degrees you probably met many phds and professors at the university. I doubt that none of them had nous as you claim.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 04:42:25 pm
content: It's hilarious that you people think educated people lack common sense or tend to have improper views. Have you metnormalpeople? Not a hell of a lot more of it there...

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 04:43:08 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on December 11, 2014, 04:32:09 pmHere is one counter anecdote

author: _Sin
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 04:50:05 pm
content: Quote from: Richard Crowley on December 11, 2014, 04:32:09 pmPolitical correctness? Or just correctness? The title of the book is "On the Origin of Species", and has been since the sixth (and largely definitive) edition was published in 1872.Not that there's anything politically *incorrect* about Darwin's original sub-title, unless you completely misunderstand what it means.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 05:12:39 pm
content: Quote from: _Sin on December 11, 2014, 04:50:05 pm

author: magetoo
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 05:14:14 pm
content: Quote from: george graves link=topic=40080.msg566322#msg566322What's not to celebrate? Haven't read the topics you linked, but if you're an outlier and that makes you good at what you do, might as well take pride in it.But mostly I guess it's just people being sloppy with language. (Which is something people do all the time.)Quote from: _Sin on December 11, 2014, 04:50:05 pmIn case anyone is too lazy to look it up. From 'pedia:Quote from: Wikipedia

author: PlainName
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 05:33:06 pm
content: I must remember this thread next time someone complains about Ebay scammersI don't doubt that the restaurant website prices were a mistake and not intentional. But this is how scams succeed: each scammed person figures it's too much trouble to do anything about the few dollars/pounds/euros they are out, so either give up or accept a refund for an honest mistake. But many many instances of same adds up to a lot of wonga.There are companies here which do this sort of thing as a matter of course, and then rely on the 'honest mistake' approach to get away with it. Once, I was browsing a shop for a PC case and saw a real nice one at a reasonable price, took the sealed box from under the shelf and got home to find there was no PSU. Back to the shop and sure enough the case on display had the PSU in it. Salesman says it's just for show... Scam, pure and simple, but the return on my time for grassing them would be like this professor chap here.Under other circumstances this would be a classic bait and switch but, hey, it's OK for them to do it because... well, why? Because the professor is a dork? There are laws about this for good reason, you know. But it's OK: so long as it's not you being scammed or the sums are 'just a few dollars and not worth anyone's time' it doesn't count.

author: mtdoc
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 05:34:23 pm
content: Of course intelligence and education are two different things. Who says otherwise?A few of the smartest people I know do not have college degrees and I also know PhDs and MDs who seem pretty average.But just because there is not a perfect correlation does not mean there is no relationship. It's fallacious reasoning to suggest otherwise:All apples aren't red so therefore knowing a fruit is red tells me nothing about its probability of being an apple?-or-All experts on electronics are not EEs so knowing someone is an EE tells me nothing about the likelyhood they're an expert in electronics?To suggest this kind of reasoning is correct would not be very intelligent....

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 05:40:57 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on December 11, 2014, 04:21:12 pmSo, why do you "pick" on PhDs, not masters, not first degrees etc?I can say I have met:idiotic people with PhDs/mastersidiotic people without PhDs/mastersnous-full people with PhDs/mastersnous-full people without PhDs/mastersand I think the common features are obvious.There aren't many "pearls of wisdom" that are worth passing on, but one is (and you should say this in a "middle-European" accent) "Mensch ist mensch".

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 06:26:42 pm
content: I always liked - there's nothing so rare as common sense.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 07:17:56 pm
content: Quote from: dunkemhigh on December 11, 2014, 05:33:06 pmA guy reviews a restaurant check and sees an item he doesn't recognize 'worked: $10. He asks the restaurant owner which strikes the item and writes instead 'didn't work'.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 07:25:12 pm
content: QuoteSomething like that would be too politically incorrect to exist today.

author: Galenbo
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 08:31:35 pm
content: Quote from: KJDS on December 11, 2014, 03:03:48 pmPlease, when referring to someone with "a masters degree" of "a Phd", please specify if it's a STEM master, a master lying (law), a master thief (economics) or something useless (women rights, art, socilogy, antropology etc.)There is absolutely nothing common between these degrees.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 11, 2014, 10:16:57 pm
content: Quote from: Dave Turner on December 11, 2014, 06:26:42 pmOr, more tersely, "common sense isn't".

author: Leiothrix
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 12:39:55 am
content: Quote from: tggzzz on December 11, 2014, 10:16:57 pmI like that, because it expands to common sense is neither common, nor sensical.What most people think of being "common sense" is total rubbish. And everyone has their own version of it.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 12:52:41 am
content: Quote from: Leiothrix on December 12, 2014, 12:39:55 amIt also has the advantage of (sometimes) making people pause and think about what you've said.In the same vein, I also say "Bristol city centre isn't" .

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 12:55:31 am
content: QuoteThat's the problem of "common sense".That's also the beauty of "common sense" - it is so common that it is not common at all.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 12:06:00 pm
content: I agree that most well educated people have plenty of common sense and are well rounded.The problem is some of them have become institutionalised: they spend all their time at university, conducting research and writing papers and have no experience of working for a real company; they're cut-off from the rest of the world.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 12:14:44 pm
content: Apparently the Harvard professor has apologized.Hopefully not via email,

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 12:16:16 pm
content: It would be really nice if one of his students takes this approach to the professor: the academia is known to list numerous sessions in the syllabus without actually teaching them - a gross violation of "truth-in-advertising".

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 12:40:26 pm
content: Expert in one field sometime forget that they are not expert in all fields. Likewise, it is not fair to expect the "educated" has to be also be educated in the field that they are not educated

author: timb
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 01:30:38 pm
content: Jack of all trades, master of none, but certainly better than a master of one!Sent from my Tablet

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 02:21:13 pm
content: Quote from: Hero999 on December 12, 2014, 12:06:00 pmTrue, but you could equally well say "... all their time in a company, repeating whatever magic incantation worked when they were young, cut off from theoretical limits and improvements in technology" or similar.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 03:06:01 pm
content: QuoteAbsolutely. That's why I think that it is stupid to call other people stupid just because they don't understand some concepts in electronics, however simple they may be.

author: tom66
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 03:16:53 pm
content: Quote from: dannyf on December 12, 2014, 03:06:01 pmAnd yet a few weeks ago you were arguing that everyone needed an engineering degree, so they could evaluate product specifications and build quality?

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 05:58:58 pm
content: Quote from: tggzzz on December 12, 2014, 02:21:13 pmThat's probably true with those who end up working for the same company all of their life but very few people do that.

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 08:17:08 pm
content: One can learn more and more about less and less until one knows everything about nothing.An extreme case of the law of diminishing returns?

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 12, 2014, 11:53:27 pm
content: Quote from: Paul Moir on December 11, 2014, 07:57:15 amAnd this can be quite challenging to them.They vaccilate between 'correcting' the other person (like 'Sheldon Cooper'), and leaving 'well enough alone'. Their conflict is that their predisposition is to 'make the world a better place' through innovation and/or understanding - in the same way as some religions do through ideology.Letting it go would beallowing the lowest common denominator to guide society, or taking the high ground isappearing boorish and self-important.It's not perfectionism exactly, but a close OCD/ASD parallel. Interesting!

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 01:17:11 am
content: Quote from: Dave Turner on December 12, 2014, 08:17:08 pmThese are the people that produce the real breakthroughs. Some problems are just too difficult for the causal practitioner.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 01:27:38 am
content: QuoteSounds like those tree huggers,

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 01:31:27 am
content: ...I'll just leave this here...

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 01:48:57 am
content: Long words. sigh.

author: tggzzz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 09:10:20 am
content: Quote from: zapta on December 13, 2014, 01:17:11 amPrecisely.Both routes (expert vs generalist) are valid career options, with different risk/reward tradeoffs. It is up to the individual to make the choice which suits them.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 09:03:51 pm
content: QuoteAs if to further cement their reputation for extreme stupidity, this week some tree huggers decided that they wanted to put their footprint, literally, on the sacred Peruvian landscape.When you think no one can be this stupid, they always manage to surprise you,

author: Dave Turner
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 09:15:35 pm
content: zapta & tggzzz - I tend to agree with you both.One problem is that to validate possible breakthroughs costs oodles; so who would fund 'crazy' research?Conspiracy theories aside I wonder just how many potential breakthroughs may have been lost due to generic adherence to the perceived doctrine and political/financial considerations. I believe "not many" - BUT?

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 10:32:23 pm
content: QuoteThis is the first time you have demonstrated excellent self-awareness.

author: c4757p
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 10:55:35 pm
content: They're both in here! Someone, quick, shut the door before they get out!

author: SL4P
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 11:10:59 pm
content: STOP!Before the door is closed... was the metaphorical door put there: to stop bad things getting in, or to contain bad things - preventing escape to the wider ether?

author: miguelvp
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 13, 2014, 11:33:28 pm
content: I like it when adults get playful like kids, it's refreshing to see we still have that kid in us.

author: all_repair
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2014, 02:06:22 pm
content: Quote from: mojo-chan on December 13, 2014, 10:28:55 pmOccupational disease.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2014, 02:18:09 pm
content: -Unless you meant to imply that I'm a machine.-No, I didn't - machines have to follow a set of logic. Any bayesian observer, after a short period of time, would likely conclude, with a high degree of confidence, that the probability of your being a machine is exceedingly low.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2014, 02:41:58 pm
content: This thread made an interesting read. Thank you.I have personal experience of working with highly qualified scientists. over the years it has been apparent that the scientists are VERY clever people but some (not all) live in a sort of bubble where they control all variables and any deviation is not acceptable. I recall a very clever scientist trying to meet a tight specification on run time for a piece of battery powered equipment. I was working with him as the intelligent customer on the project. He discovered that the run time was not being met with the intended batteries so he made the decision to use larger capacity cells instead. I checked his work and commented that he had solved the run time issue but he had not taken into account the effect on the tight charging time spec as the charger was current limited for the original cells. It therefore failed spec on charging time. This very clever scientist went into meltdown as he realised his basic error. These chaps are sometimes so clever that they miss the obvious. They are still very clever though. They just need another, more practical and worldly wise tech to help them with some of the issues such as ergonomics and practicalities of design.I am just about to take early retirement. I DO NOT hold a Degree and was trained as a Merchant Marine Radio Officer. An R.O. had to support and maintain everything electronic on a ship from the Radio kit to the telephone exchange, steering/bow thruster controllers, Radars, kitchens and even the ships crew TV ! I was also trained in mechanical engineering and fabrication skills. My role over the lat 27 years has been on land but very technical and specialist (read highly interesting and enjoyable). I have had a very good life travelling the world and changing roles many times to progress to middle management. I repeat... I do not have a degree, just very high quality practical training in electronics, communications, IT, and mechanical engineering. Who would you rather have on a desert Island if shipwrecked.... the highly qualified, but less practical, 'Genius' Scientist or someone like me who actually knows how the real world works and gets things done ? Common sense and good communications skills will serve you well in the real worldIts not all about letters after you name unless you like to brag or an employer is so short sighted to believe that such mean more than they actually do. I am in the UK and saw Clark's shoe factory collapse when the management decided it needed clever people with lots of letters after their names instead of the 'old boys' who were without Degrees and trained on the jog over many years. I don't think I need to explain what happened. Bright ideas with no way to make them real is a recipe for disaster.Aurora

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2014, 02:50:01 pm
content: I would second your view on degrees.Easy and selfish for me to do as a highschool dropout.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2014, 03:03:31 pm
content: Just to be clear on my views though. I have met and worked with some superb techs and true engineers who are both highly qualified and have great common sense combined with practical skills. I don't want my comments to be seen as a general view of ALL persons who pursue great knowledge through education. It is a symbiotic relationship in many cases anyway....the ideas people and those who make it happen in the real world.This Forum is proof of the very clever and practical people that are around. Some are more tolerant of less qualified individuals than others but that is just normal I supposeFor me the bottom line is that I have had a truly enjoyable and exciting career with a single employer who looked after me very well. If you can find such a job and employer then you will hopefully have a similar experience and do well no matter whether you have a Degree or not. My employer does not require its techs to have a degree, they look more at the person and practical abilities, combined with common sense and good verbal communication skills.Aurora

author: zapta
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timestamp: December 14, 2014, 03:07:46 pm
content: Quote from: miguelvp on December 13, 2014, 11:33:28 pmI like you positive attitude.

author: zapta
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2014, 03:37:44 pm
content: Quote from: Aurora on December 14, 2014, 02:41:58 pmThis was my dream job when I was a kid. I played with electronics, was impressed with explorers such as Cook, da Gama and Columbus and loved to sail so this seemed to be a natural choice. After high school I spent a few years operating and fixing electronic equipment above and below water but didn't pursue a commercial marine career. Life has it turns but I achieved the same goals in a different way.Would be interesting to share with us, in a separate thread, about the life of a Merchant Marine Radio Officer.

author: Refrigerator
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timestamp: December 14, 2014, 07:09:07 pm
content: Common sence is so rare these days it should be considered a superpower !

author: zapta
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timestamp: December 14, 2014, 07:12:58 pm
content: Quote from: Refrigerator on December 14, 2014, 07:09:07 pm... which reminds this movie...

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 14, 2014, 08:07:33 pm
content: @Zapta,Sadly the British Merchant marine industry was in decline when I completed my training. R.O.s were replaced with 'technicians' who just changed equipment, modules or boards. No specialist skills neededNo 'old sea salt' stories I am afraid. A fellow R.O. did go to sea on a tramp steamer and his first transmission upon leaving port was to call MAYDAY to the Coastguard as the ship was taking on water and eventually sank ! Not a great start to a career ! Others found themselves being used and abused by their employers so bailed out and took shore jobs. The life at sea in the late 1980's was no fun for many R.O's. The hey days were the 1950's to late 1970's. Cruise ships were pretty good fun if you could get on one. No R.O's on big vessels these days. Not needed in the age of adaptive HF radio and satellite comms. Sparkies do the heavy electrical work and 'technicians' do equipment swap outs etc.I was quickly recruited by my present employer as I was skilled in HF radio maintenance and high speed Morse Code. When HF communications ceased and we moved over to satellite and PSTN comms I moved into a different technical role. That is the great thing about my employer. You can spend 3 years in a role and then move onto something different. You can move every 3 years or stay in a role for longer if it suits the management. I spent 7 years in one specialist role and 5 years as a Technical Instructor to pass on my knowledge. Employers like mine are rare, but gems if you can join them. They invest in their staff yet allow mobility between specialisms. You become a very versatile officer over time.Aurora

author: magetoo
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timestamp: December 14, 2014, 09:05:04 pm
content: Quote from: Aurora on December 14, 2014, 02:41:58 pmI'll take the scientist, as long as I can make it a botanist! Getting something to eat comes first. :-)Then again, I think Rough Science is one of the best things ever to be shown on TV. (Scientists working together to complete various tasks in desert island type settings basically. And every one very far from the egghead stereotype.)

author: zapta
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timestamp: December 14, 2014, 09:21:51 pm
content: Quote from: magetoo on December 14, 2014, 09:05:04 pmThe real question is Ginger or Mary Ann?

author: miguelvp
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timestamp: December 14, 2014, 09:31:55 pm
content: Quote from: zapta on December 14, 2014, 09:21:51 pmboth

author: GreyWoolfe
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timestamp: December 15, 2014, 02:04:10 am
content: Quote from: miguelvp on December 14, 2014, 09:31:55 pmAnd teice on Sundays

author: Stonent
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timestamp: December 15, 2014, 03:55:51 am
content: Quote from: dannyf on December 11, 2014, 01:36:59 amNever confuse education with wisdom.