Trumpf ZnSe lenses - Large diameter long focal length  - Page 1
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author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 09:17:44 am
content: In case anyone is interested, I found a seller of used Trumpf ZnSe laser focussing lenses on eBay. They are listed at £3 and £4 eachThese lenses are nice and large, very high transmission and professional grade. They are available in two types.1.5” diameter with 7.5” FL and 50mm diameter with 250mm FL. These are used lenses so some may have small burns in them, but the ones I received were in great condition. These were all removed from service on Trumpf high powered CO2 cutting lasers when they failed routine inspection. It appears that absolutely no degradation is permissible in these lenses due to the high powers being used so they get removed before they get badly burnt.I bought ten of each for experimentation. These are scary expensive new but of course these are used inspection rejects so bear this in mind. They are certainly large lumps of high quality AR coated ZnSe and the diameters plus focal lengths are greater than most cheap Chinese ZnSe CO2 laser lenses.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Trumpf-CO2-Laser-250-Focusing-Lens/254574634319?hash=item3b45d4a54f:g:WS8AAOSwZgheIy46I have no connection to the seller or the items being sold. This is just a ‘public service’ announcementFraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 09:36:20 am
content: Pictures of my lenses. I initially bought 2 of each to check quality so now have 12 of each for experimentationSpecified absorbance is better than 0.23%Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 09:56:37 am
content: As a side note, the seller uses these inspection rejects in his ‘SteamPunk’ designsHe knows about the safety issues if they are drilled or broken apart though so he is not daft with them. He seems to have plenty of stock.Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 10:12:48 am
content: With regard to what these lenses may be used for, they are a little high on the focal length front for close-up lenses but would make interesting objective lenses for thermal telescopesI like working with ZnSe lenses as you can experiment with them using visible light to see the effect of changes in your design without the need for a thermal camera. Focus distances are, of course, slightly different when setting the lens assembly for Thermal imaging.In case anyone is interested, these lenses are around £400+VAT each new.Fraser

author: Vipitis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 10:34:54 am
content: Thanks for this tip. I have contacted the seller to see if shipping to Germany is an option; for the given prices I will try to pick up two of each to add to my lens element collection, I got nothing particular planned but might come in useful for something.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 10:38:45 am
content: Vipitis,You are most welcomeThese lenses caught my eye because they are unusually large diameter and long focal length. Anything different from the common CO2 laser lenses we see on eBay is normally very expensive.Make sure you ask the seller for lenses that are not obviously blemished as he is a really friendly chap and selected nice examples for me. He said they are all pretty good though so no burned up lensesFraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 10:55:30 am
content: For those unaware of the failures that can occur in high powered laser focus lenses made of ZnSe (and likely other materials too). The lens must be very high transmission to prevent self heating that will destroy the lens. If a lens gets dirty it will heat up very quickly. These lenses are considered consumables in the Trumpf high powered laser cutting machines. They are inspected for defects and degradation regularly and any that are showing signs of stress are removed from service. A lens can be described as ‘stressed’ after inspection but look perfect to the human eye. The lens likely has stress marks that show up under specific tests designed to highlight such. The lenses appear to work fine in the thermal imaging role however. Some lenses will have tiny ‘poc’ marks in the AR coating. I do not know what causes this but it could be just lens contamination with dirt causing localised heating or some off axis component of the laser beam causing a hot spot ? The spots are often very small and can often be ignored or tolerated considering the low cost of these inspection rejects.A ZnSe lens can fail in a more spectacular way in a high powered laser cutting system when it actually starts to absorb too much laser energy inside itself due to internal stress damage. The lens literally burns up and you get a large ‘bullseye’ in its centre. Such a lens is total scrap and not recommended for handling due to health concerns. You will see high power ZnSe lenses that appear to have a ‘bloom’ or rainbow effect on their surface. These are usually another form of inspection reject that has just come to the end of its operational life and started to overheat but was removed from service before the laser fried it completely. None of the lenses I have received from the above detailed auction look in any way fried or bloomed. In fact they look to be in very good condition considering they were coping with multi KW laser powers. The original user of these lasers clearly has regular lens inspections.If you want absolutely perfect lenses of this specification, you will need to buy a new one. These are, however, perfect for lens experimentation and should be fine for thermal camera applications. Buyers are not risking much money here anywayHigh powered lasers are not tolerant of poor quality optics so these will likely be far superior to cheap low powered ZnSe lense that we buy for less than $30 on eBay.Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 11:13:59 am
content: An interesting article on laser cutter lens damage. I might add that none of the lenses I received look anything like those shown here, as can be seen in my pictures. The Trumpf lenses are protected from dirt and spatter by a window that sits between the ZnSe lens and the material being cut.https://www.mate.com/co2-lens-failure-causes-part-1-lens-build-up/Note the comment about thermal runaway ! As ZnSe gets hotter it can reach a point of reducing transmission and so thermal runaway begins. Such thermal runaway can only end badly for the lens

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 11:57:45 am
content: Another interesting page detailing the ugly damage that can occur to a ZnSe lens used in high power laser cutter applications. Again, none of the ones I received looked like the examples shown so fear nothttps://www.ophiropt.com/co2-lasers-optics/focusing-lens/knowledge-center/lens-failureFraser

author: RBsonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 05:43:30 pm
content: Can this lens be used for inspection of small smd componnents?

author: SeanB
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timestamp: May 01, 2020, 06:23:47 pm
content: Sadly does not ship to me though.....

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 06:54:49 pm
content: SeanB,Have you asked him as he seems a really friendly chapIf so did you tell him you are from the EEVBlog as he is aware that I have mentioned his lenses here. It may help ? The lenses are not very heavy or bulky and if you accept risk of loss he might come to the party.Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 06:58:17 pm
content: RBsonic.No, the focus point is too far away for SMD use. You need something with an FL of 100mm or less. Lots of Chinese ZnSe lenses available cheaply for that taskFraser

author: Vipitis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 07:43:59 pm
content: it looks like I ended up getting 1 lens for 4GBP + 4 shipping as I had a little trouble around the eBay buy now interface and requesting a shipping price. We'll see what quality mine ends up as the other listing is gone.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 11:15:27 pm
content: Vipitis,The seller lists individual lenses but you can ask him to quote for more than one with combined shipping and he will create a custom listing for you. That is how I bought 10 of each.If you contact the seller and tell him what you want, he will likely help you.Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 01, 2020, 11:53:50 pm
content: I have checked all my lenses and they are all in nice condition. Some do have the odd tiny black spot that I previously mentioned, but nothing terrible. I checked the lenses using the crossed polariser technique and they all have some evidence of stress. When tested on a FLIR E60+ as a close-up lens, there was no issue with the images produced and the transmission loss was very low, as expected. I suspect that these lenses were removed from service due to the evidence of internal stress revealed by the crossed polariser test.From what I can see, these lenses are more than adequate for thermal camera telescope or other optical experimentsAs a side note. I thought the seller might have some 5” FL 1.5” diameter lenses and asked that he include some in my order if possible. He sent me four as part of my order for 10 of the 1.5” diameter lensesI do not know if he has any more of the 5” FL lenses.Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 10:29:53 am
content: The lens auctions are active again. For some reason the seller is not providing a multiple item listing. If you want more than one lens, contact him and ask for a custom listing.

author: RBsonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 05:18:43 pm
content: Can you some thermal fotos with and without lens?

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 06:26:42 pm
content: It is not a close-up lens. It is best used as part of an optical system such as a Keplerian or Galileo telescope. An image through the single lens element would not reveal very much as the whole lens surface is not being used by my E60+ cameras FOV at close quarters and transmission is already known to be excellent. What are you trying to find out from a picture please ?Fraser

author: RBsonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 08:05:24 pm
content: I just want to see quality of image through lens.

author: _Wim_
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 08:16:31 pm
content: Quote from: Vipitis on May 01, 2020, 10:34:54 amDone exactly the same. Thanks for the great tip Fraser!

author: winternight69
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 08:26:14 pm
content: Hi, I am a seller from eBay for Trumpf lenses.I have some numbers in my stock,most was collected for my hobby as steampunk artist. I do provide some links to my YouTube channel to see as a different aspects for using this lenses. Thank you for watching.

author: KE5FX
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 08:34:02 pm
content: Quote from: Fraser on May 01, 2020, 10:55:30 amI thought this was interesting, and did some Googling. Contrary to my impression, these lenses aren't just chunks of plastic that have been doped with zinc selenide. They actuallyarezinc selenide. So there's quite a bit of selenium that can be liberated under the right (wrong) conditions.It would certainly be smart to wear a good respirator if you ever need to grind or machine one of these. I didn't see any specific references to dust hazards, but they definitely need to be kept well out of reach of infants and small children. If swallowed, they can generate H2Se gas in the stomach, which is described as being even more toxic than H2S. One of those things that gets a '4' on the hazmat diamond for both health and flammability.They look a little too much like candy for me to be entirely comfortable using them as decorations.

author: _Wim_
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 08:35:53 pm
content: Quote from: winternight69 on May 02, 2020, 08:26:14 pmWelcome to the forum. Incredible builds!Complete different use of ZnSe lenses as we typically would use them. Much more beautiful!

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 09:23:00 pm
content: Winternight69,Welcome to the forumI love the Steampunk ArtFraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 09:35:33 pm
content: RBSonic,I will see what I can do but not sure how good the results will be just looking through the lens with the E60+. No time to make a decent Keplerian telescope at the moment.Fraser

author: winternight69
author_rank: Newbie
timestamp: May 02, 2020, 11:19:56 pm
content: Thanks a lot to everyone! As I am a guest here if someone need to contact me about lenses use my Ebay account. I try to do as much as can. If someone needs to ship it outside the Europe will not be a problem, but postage fees could be different. I'll try to find the best options for you. I have two type of lenses, they are taking out of service from machine and placed in original packaging straight away. Most of them in quiet good conditions. I am not keeping burned or damaged lenses, may have some small imperfection and maybe some needs proper clean, which is set up a special procedure to avoid for scratching them. I am not providing a cleaning . Any questions I do answer from my Ebay account.Best regards

author: _Wim_
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2020, 05:46:53 am
content: winternight69, as a transition from Steampunk art to our electronics hobby, a nixie tube clock project looks ideal for you:https://www.eevblog.com/2016/11/26/eevblog-948-nixie-tube-display-project-part-1/

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2020, 12:13:06 pm
content: Winternight69,I must say, I love the Steampunk fishClose study reveals the complexity of the build. Most impressive. I am thinking the spine of the Fisk is made from laser cutter copper output nozzles. It is great to see industrial ‘scrap’ turned into something beautifulI can imagine that steampunk fish exploring the depths of an ocean on a far off world where life is an organic/machine hybrid rather than purely organicWonderful art, simply wonderful. I had not spent much time looking at Steampunk art.... I shall have to study it some more. I definitely prefer Steampunk ‘animals’, likely because I love organic animals.Fraser

author: NiallxD
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 03, 2020, 08:22:06 pm
content: Fraser,Cheers for highlighting these for me, I bought some a while back and they were far too small for my use so sent them back to Amazon. Bought the 38 & 50mm lenses from Winternight69,Looking forward to doing some tinkering. I've got some kind of thermal telescope in mind, so if anything pops to mind let me know. You are significantly more experienced in all this than I am,Cheers again!Niall

author: ArsenioDev
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 05, 2020, 10:05:07 pm
content: Darn, JUST missed these lenses available.Was hoping to snag some to do telescope work but alas

author: eliocor
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 05, 2020, 11:54:23 pm
content: @ArsenioDev:it seems to me they are yet available:https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/winternight69/m.html

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 06, 2020, 03:15:50 am
content: @ArsenioDev,If you contact the seller via ebay and let him know how many of each type you want, he will create a special auction for you with the appropriate postage shown.Fraser

author: ArsenioDev
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2020, 04:38:51 pm
content: OH, hrm. When I checked his page it showed no items listed. Will run some numbers later today on which ones I need. Thanks for the heads up

author: Miek
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2020, 08:14:01 pm
content: Thanks for sharing this Fraser. I now have a couple of each size on the way

author: NiallxD
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: May 07, 2020, 09:10:36 pm
content: @Winternight95Thanks for the lenses! Time to have some fun!Niall!

author: Vipitis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 12, 2020, 11:00:20 am
content: I got my first lens today, it looks pristine and transmission looks fairly well. Next order is placed already, got the 2 pack. Will eventually put all my lens elements together and see what I can make, maybe replace the broken element - getting my 3D printer operational again would be a good start.Thanks for the listing and pointer!

author: _Wim_
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 18, 2020, 06:07:40 pm
content: Quote from: _Wim_ on May 02, 2020, 08:16:31 pmMy set of lenses arrived also today. They look fantastic. Thanks winternight69 & Fraser for making this possible!

author: Vipitis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2020, 12:29:17 pm
content: my set of 4 lenses arrived today, definitely not as pristine of a condition as the first one I got. But as I ordered later I must have been a little ways down the chain of quality picks. Still very much good enough for imaging and experiments. I set them aside for now as I got a other things to do and can't put much time towards working on my camera systems. Will update when I made use of the elements.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2020, 04:27:45 pm
content: All we need now is an affordable source of Plano Concave, bi-concave or Negative meniscus lenses and we have the basics of a supplemental mount Galilean telescopeFraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 19, 2020, 04:31:35 pm
content: Vipitis,What issues do your lenses have ? It is not unusual to have a tiny black dot laser burn but none of my lenses have anything really bad wrong with them. Small blemishes on an Objective lens are not in focus and will hopefully not be visible at the resolutions that we work at.Fraser

author: Miek
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2020, 06:25:50 pm
content: They also work rather well as close-up lenses

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2020, 06:45:39 pm
content: Mike,InterestingI see you have a 3D print design for a lens mount on the PM seriesWould you be willing to share that mount design please ? I need one and have just not had the time to concentrate on it.Fraser

author: Miek
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2020, 07:13:22 pm
content: Sure! I've attached some sketches of the critical dimensions, and a zip of the STLs & SolveSpace project files.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 22, 2020, 10:17:06 pm
content: Thanks MiekGreat workThat design will help me with developing other lens adapters for my PM series cameras.Thank you for sharing your hard work.Fraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 23, 2020, 11:09:32 pm
content: Miek,I just completed the printing of the two PM series lens mounts in ABSThey are excellentThanks again for sharing.Picture attached.Fraser

author: RBsonic
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2020, 07:09:43 pm
content: Quote from: Fraser on May 23, 2020, 11:09:32 pmCan you post some thermal photos with lens and without?

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2020, 07:51:58 pm
content: No PM series cameras to hand at the moment. Regret I cannot help but Miek may be able to help. He has already provided some examples in this threadFraser

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 24, 2020, 07:57:02 pm
content: RBSonic,Please also remember that I do not recommend these lenses for PCB work as 7.5 Inches is a little too far away for detailed SMD work. 100mm/4 inches is better as a general PCB close-up lenses. Miek's pictures tell you something about the lenses though. No nasty image distortion visible.Fraser

author: Miek
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 12:29:37 pm
content: Quote from: Fraser on May 23, 2020, 11:09:32 pmNice!Quote from: Fraser on May 24, 2020, 07:51:58 pmYep, in pictures I posted above 'far' is no supplementary lens, 'close' is with the 50mm diameter lens, and 'closer' is the 1.5" diameter lens.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 12:35:25 pm
content: It is also worth noting that amongst the ten 1.5” diameter lenses I purchased, there were four 5” FL lensesIn the original purchase that I made of these lenses, to check condition, I saw that the plastic box that my 1.5” diameter lens was in had 5” FL written on it. The actual lens in the box was 7.5” FL but that hinted that there might also be some 5” FL lenses in the stockI was correctSadly the lenses are not marked in any way to differentiate between the 7.5” and 5” FL versions. I checked them using my thermal camera and a ruler whilst operating them in Close-up supplemental lens mode in my Exx series camera.The larger 50mm lenses are all the same 250mm FL.Fraser

author: Miek
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 01:20:32 pm
content: Ah, good to know! I spotted some markings on the side of my two 1.5" dia lenses. Looks like I have one of each & the 5.0" FL was used in the pic above.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 02:04:46 pm
content: Mike,Well spotted SirI will go and check my lenses again. I must get my eyes checkedFraser

author: Vipitis
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 02:11:44 pm
content: I chekced the markings on my lenses and all three of my big lenses are 250(mm) and the two small ones are 7.5".I also got some detail shots of my lenses to highlight the imperfections they got. It's nothing too bad and I don't believe it will end up impacting any imaging I hope to do with them.

author: _Wim_
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 06:29:08 pm
content: The two large lenses I have are also 250, 1 of the small lenses is 250mm, and the other small lens 5". So it seems the smaller lenser were available in 5",7.5" and 250.

author: _Wim_
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 06:32:43 pm
content: Quote from: Vipitis on May 25, 2020, 02:11:44 pmMy lenses have simular small issues as seen in the first four lenses in your post.

author: Hydron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 09:05:51 pm
content: My small one is 7.5" FL, large is 250mm. 5" would have probably been more useful than 7.5", but I can't complain given I also have a good collection of germanium elements (though no other ZnSe, which is why I gave in and bought a pair of these!).Attached is a pic of what I suspect is the defect that caused my large lens to be retired - is some sort of internal crack which seems to have started at the flat bit on the edge. Looks pretty strange, and stops just shy of the surface, which still appears completely intact. No other obvious damage.The small one has a very small chip out of an edge and some scratches on the coating in the middle, but nothing too dramatic (would have zero impact in imaging use).What I did find interesting is the weight of the lenses - significantly heavier than what glass would weigh, much more similar to germanium.

author: Fraser
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 09:18:11 pm
content: Very sorry to see the defects in the lenses that Vipitis received. Those are worse than I expected, especially the first and last images. The lens shown in the last image is effectively ‘dead’ for optical work. It has suffered overheating and thermal runaway that has damaged its structure. It is sadly of little use for anything optical related nowI bought my lenses when the seller likely had a greater number to select from for me and I explained I needed relatively unblemished lenses for my thermal camera work. I suspect the choice of lenses with minor imperfections may have been reduced with recent sales. I bought a total of 11 of the 50mm and 11 of the 1.5” sizes and all are in excellent condition. One of the “50mm” diameter lenses is different to the others and is both thicker and slightly larger diameter. It looks in lovely condition and appears to still be 250mm FL.If anyone has a small black ‘puck’ in the side of their lenses, it is an RFID tag for identification purposes. Not all the lenses have this fitted.Fraser

author: richnormand
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 10:06:17 pm
content: "If anyone has a small black ‘puck’ in the side of their lenses, it is an RFID tag for identification purposes."I noted the two 50mm lens had a round black area on the side. I was wondering if it was a soft pad for a set screw (not to crack the lens). That is interesting about the RFID, so each lens could have, in effect, a serial number or other manufacturing data perhapsNone of the 1.5" seem to have that. The 50mm lenses also have a flat on the side too, I assume for orientation?Minor visual defects but nothing serious for a Keplerian or Galilean telescope application.Just noted that small negative concave lenses are pretty expensive though!Thanks for initially pointing out the link Fraser.

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 10:30:46 pm
content: I have one smaller lens and one larger. Two more of each on the way. Both the first two seem undamaged - it appears from comments above that I may not be so lucky with the later purchases.The larger lens has numbering stamped on the edge and the black dot Fraser mentions. It also has some lettering scratched by hand : I think it reads 'v 9.8" men'I can't see any machine marking on the smaller lens, but I think it also reads 'v 5" men'

author: Hydron
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 10:46:34 pm
content: Hah, sure enough my NFC phone managed to read the little black dot. NXP tag info didn't seem to give anything other than an ID, but I guess that's enough for production tracking etc.And yes, is a shame about the lack of negative lenses out there - I have a number of positive ones to play with, but the only negative one I have has a fairly low optical power (though it is a nice size at ~45mm dia.)

author: artag
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: May 25, 2020, 10:51:46 pm
content: I noticed various comments about the dangers of grinding ZnSe.What are the options if we use these as blanks ? And what's needed to do it safely ?update :I can answer my own question to some extent : seehttps://www.crystran.co.uk/userfiles/files/zinc-selenide-znse-msds.pdfThat site has plenty of other useful and interesting papers on IR and other opticshttps://www.crystran.co.uk/optical-materials/zinc-selenide-znse

author: conmega
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: June 12, 2020, 03:45:23 am
content: I got 4 sets of each size of lens awhile ago. Been busy integrating my Autoliv2 controller to try them out extensively and look at them.All of the small ones appear to be 7.5", one is labeled and holding them up side by side to the light the "focusing point" when I get the smallest point of light below them all appears to be the same distance. The larger ones all appear to have the same focal point as-well. But I have no labels on any of them. 3 of them have the RFID puck but I don't know if I have an RFID reader for them handy.The small ones work GREAT for getting an extremely close focal point on the Autoliv2, I had previously screwed out the lens a bit to get it to about 2~ft but you end up with distortion from the way the lens is in the Autoliv... Without setting that back and just throwing the lens in front it really clears it up and just yea wow. You can see below how far I had it from my board and what it looked like on video. (this is with histogram and an iron palette mind you, this is not what cames straight out of the camera) Frankly I didn't have the focus perfect... Trying to take a photo of what I was doing while holding it was a bit difficult. Will eventually try to 3D print an adapter for the Autoliv2. I will note I am not keeping all 8 lenses... 4 of them are going off to friends, I made a bulk order to the US to help save on shipping for us all.I will say these look clearer on video than the germanium protective covers that come on the Autolivs. Really nice lenses especially for the price.All of my lenses appear in great shape. With only a few minor spots on some of the smaller lenses and the large ones look almost perfect.

author: Ultrapurple
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: June 19, 2020, 09:48:45 am
content: I now have a few of these lenses and mine are all essentially 'as-new'. Only one has any damage - slight scratches - and that was down to me not realising justhowsoft the lens (or at least the coating) actually is. I was wearing new white cotton gloves to handle the lenses andthatwas enough to cause scratches when I absent-mindedly tried to remove a speck of dustStill, the scratches are only superficial and (as they say in all the eBay ads for lenses) "don't affect image quality..."