Youtube Targetting Cryptocurrency Channels? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / general

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 04:14:49 am
content: Chris Dunn and others crypto related channels have been targeted, with video removed and strikes.For "Harmful and dangerous content"Makes me scared to release this video I have uploaded:

author: Berni
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 06:08:29 am
content: What the hell?I could understand science channels getting wacked by the algorithm for containing fire and all that, but how the hell does it connect cryptocurrencies with something dangerous.Okay you can buy a service of murdering someone on the dark web using bitcoins, but you can do that with real money too, so should any video about money be banned then?

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 07:16:08 am
content: It's likely just the AI learning that there's a link between cryptocurrency and illegal activity.Google will probably have to manually white-list cryptocurrency, then it will all go away.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 08:19:30 am
content: Quote from: Psi on December 24, 2019, 07:16:08 amUnless this was deliberate, I wouldn't rule that out.

author: Paul Ed
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 09:18:05 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 24, 2019, 08:19:30 amOuch! Good point, but oohh so bad if so.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 09:21:40 am
content: Quote from: Psi on December 24, 2019, 07:16:08 amLooks like it, as the free inputs/complaints will be feed back to the AI, and then it will re-learn again.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 09:24:58 am
content: Might be some moral crusaders mass reporting videos because crypto is gambling / pyramid schemeOr the above combined with somebody at YT deciding that they are right.

author: Psi
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 24, 2019, 09:33:47 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 24, 2019, 08:19:30 ami very much doubt Google have anything against cryptocurrency.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2019, 01:29:00 am
content: Quote from: Psi on December 24, 2019, 07:16:08 amCurrently there are lots of scams regarding crypto currency. Due to a ruling in the Netherlands Facebook is obliged to remove ads which promote purchase of Bitcoins. I guess this has awakened the people from Youtube as well.

author: chickenHeadKnob
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2019, 01:46:10 am
content: Quote from: Psi on December 24, 2019, 09:33:47 amFacebook banned crypto adds for a while, claiming there were too many scams promoted. Now they will allow if you pass muster of their scrutiny. I can openly wonder what that means for people who want to compete directly against Facebook's own crypto. Look for one of the Google/Alphabet companies to release their own crypto offering in the near future.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 25, 2019, 03:46:02 am
content: Quote from: Psi on December 24, 2019, 09:33:47 amCould be some law they are preempting or following, like coppa

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2019, 05:53:55 am
content: maybe an advertisement robot got scared and did not know what to recommend as a commercial interest for a channel recommending you save money and invest to get rich. (burglary machine malfunctioned).these people... wont buy anything... shut it down immediately...stick a Wix or Squarespace in there and you will be alright (needs to be something monthly so they think persistent cash flow). As usual, things do not work smoothly without kickbacks and grease. Throw some hip shoes into your mailbag to stay safe!

author: blacksheeplogic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2019, 06:42:59 am
content: There was a time when the written word was banded and books burnt unless they happened to support the church.Now the word of the church has been reincarnated though a few companies that deem it their role to decide what can or cannot be written or said. We have to protect the children, the good from evil, the minority from the majority, and punish all those because a few abuse. It's wonderful to see how the age of information is being used to limit and control that information as every minority finds something to whine about and the majority sits silent.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 25, 2019, 01:49:29 pm
content: I guess they want us to give to creators using the "join" button instead of crypto. Let's give them the opposite - not only do we use crypto to give to creators, we have the creators using Bittorrent to distribute their content!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 25, 2019, 11:56:28 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 25, 2019, 01:49:29 pmThat's basically what LBRY does.https://lbry.tv/@eevblog:7

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 12:20:16 am
content: Quote from: blacksheeplogic on December 25, 2019, 06:42:59 amNot quite. There is a sh*tload of mis-information floating around on the internet. Up to the point where vaccinations which haven proven themselves for decades are being questioned and people let their children die unnecessarily because people fall for the mis-information. The 2010's probably go into the history books as the 'internet FUD years'. It used to be the task of the impartial journalists to seperate facts from fiction and that void needs to be filled again.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 12:43:42 am
content: Well it's been a few days now and the situation just seems to be getting worse.Looks like my crypto video will have to be my first non-youtube exclusive.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 12:52:15 am
content: Youtube are looking into it it seems.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 01:54:43 am
content: It seems that Youtube warned creators about this last month:I can't see how this is anything but deliberate and intended now.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 06:58:52 am
content: Of course it is intentional. The platform treats it's (non CNN) creators like dirt.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 07:03:37 am
content: As an aside, the big tell was the failure of Zuck's attempt to introduce crypto to Facebook.Creators on y/t are told they are not monetised. So they get paid via crypto. Y/t not getting a slice. Tantrum. Accounts deleted.Waaa.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 07:04:06 am
content: QuoteI somehow doubt that this is Youtube's individual thing and not some widespread campaign or government pressure.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 07:04:31 am
content: Dave, I know you already upload to other services apart from YouTube, but perhaps now would be a good time to test out using non-YouTube content and see what the uptake/viewer rate is like. Previously it would "suicide" for a content creator, but perhaps YouTube should be a secondary (and incomplete source) of your valuable content.I know I've said it before but I'll say it again, I'd prefer not to use YouTube. I already block all their ads (including their pre-roll content) and I don't sign in because I have no intention of using any of their features. When I want to watch a particular channel, I'll manually go to their page.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 08:38:19 am
content: better give youtube some commission on the mailbagsend them some game boys and a calculator

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 08:38:43 am
content: I been thinking about this in the last few weeks as I watch content from y/t.Too many content creators are saying in their videos that either the party's over or about to be.The run time of content that I am subscribed to has dropped 50%. Most of that is complaining about the algorithm.The funny thing is, years ago, on this forum, I sledged Dave for dropping the xml/rss stuff which I downloaded directly in favour of the wanky youtube ecosystem. Back in those days, my connection to the information super highway was insufficient to watch youtube in a resolution I could tolerate. The podcatcher was my subscription feed.Now, I'm not blaming content creators or casting aspersions because on the whole, Y/T has been very good for Eevblog. But now, the company seems to be erratic or perhaps even rudderless in assuring creators and their viewers of a future on the platform despite some marvellous previous achievements by what Y/T would have you believe were partners.It's been suggested that Y/T are doing a Myspace. I'm not so sure about that. Myspace failed because they failed to keep users from being drawn to a shiny new object. Youtube is kicking off creators, without any regard to any previous promises of financial utopia for creators. This course of action can only cause angst for the users at best and class action at worst.Youtubers that have already been demonetised for (((hate speech))) have mostly prospered by reaching out directly to retailers and advertisers who aren't so skittish about the content they are associated with. And this is the thing: fringe content providers have achieved what Google, with all the clever internet smarts, can't do, connect advertisers to buyers. It's all Google was ever built for and they have failed at it.The bottom line is if you have a vested interest in Google and/or Youtube, realise you need to sever the relationship before they do.If you have a Youtube subscription list, download it to a file on you harddrive. That way, you have the control to re-find the content in which you enjoyed as it vanishes.Gmail accounts. Download all your email to a drive now, if you haven't already. Alphabet has a habit of killing things off and once youtube is dead, they will come after Gmail. Don't get caught.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 10:12:38 am
content: Re GMail: goes without saying. I haven't logged in to their web UI in ages, using only an IMAP client which downloads everything to disk. In fact, multiple IMAP clients on multiple machines downloading to multiple disks. They can still lock you out of receiving new mail, though.Quote from: nctnico on December 26, 2019, 12:20:16 amYou are right but you are wrong tooThe truth is that people really are not what they used to be. Maybe it's not autism and maybe it's not because of vaccines, fluorides or 5G, but it is here. People are becoming increasingly passive losers and wimps, and moreover they want everyone to join in their wimphood because they are genuinely scared of anyone who isn't a wimp yetThere is no impartial journalism. Journalism had been taken over by nerds and is wielded as a weapon in their great crusade against anything they consider bullying, it's been that way for a long time. Power corrupts and you want the institutions of science and journalism to have power; it seems your wish had been granted, in full.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 10:24:46 am
content: Quote from: magic on December 26, 2019, 10:12:38 amWhich institutes of science and journalism have power nowadays? Journalism has been declining for decades and science never had much to say to begin with. If only science and journalism had a bigger effect on what people would perceive as what is true amidst all the nonsense.

author: mikeselectricstuff
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 10:24:59 am
content: Also cat videos...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 10:30:37 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 26, 2019, 10:24:46 amI can remember the day when scientists like Carl Sagan had huge influence.Now people like Neil Tyson et.al are drowned out in the sea of information overload.

author: langwadt
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 11:21:48 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 26, 2019, 07:03:37 amyoutube is not getting a slice of patreon money or sponsored videos either..I suspect Youtube just doesn't want to be seen as part of the many scams with crypto, and they don't want to sort between good and bad because it could easily be seen as endorsement

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 11:32:36 am
content: Quote from: mikeselectricstuff on December 26, 2019, 10:24:59 amNow that is how to draw attention to the problem. Not the endless whining other youtube creators seems to want to bombard their viewers with.I wonder if it is a New York thing.That was one mean looking discontented cat.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 12:32:38 pm
content: Quote from: wilfred on December 26, 2019, 11:32:36 amThat Clinton sure looks dangerous alright.And Louis Rossman didn't kill himself.

author: Syntax Error
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 01:09:19 pm
content: How YouTube goes about striking content is up for debate, in what can seem an arbitary way, but in defense of YouTube, they are right to target Cryptocurrency channels. Why? The crypto space is a minefield of scammers offering no more than get-poor-quick ponzi schemes. Hence YouTube has a duty of care to the millions of subscribers who use the platform as their principle source of information on crypto-currencies.BitConnect, OneCoin, Bitfinex and the QuadrigaCX exchange, are just some examples of huge scamsallegedthat have summoned the attention of financial regulators, the FBI and class action lawyers.All of these products were all placing content on YouTube, either in the form of their official channel or via the myriad of wannabe YouTube stars who set themselves up asCryptoExperts. Experts who were most willing to front theirlivin-la-crypto-locolifestyles, whilst remaining clueless to even what a blockchain was... Oh look, another video featuring a Ferrari, tropical beach, Learjet, Dubai skyline... Seriously, would you takelifeadvice from a teenager in his bedroom? So why you taking investment advice then? Oh yes, teenagers know about computers and cryptos are computers... What did happen toCryptoNick?Seriously, these fraudsters are taking vast sums of real 'fiat' money from hard working people, giving them no more than hopelessness in a smart-wallet, and exploit YouTube to legitimise their snake oil scams. Worse, they undermine the reputation ofallYouTubers.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 01:35:09 pm
content: This aussie channel is one strike away from being deleted.This is going to be HUGE, bigger than anything Youtube have done before.Dozens of channels now, just the ones I have heard about, maybe even into the hundreds by now.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 01:39:03 pm
content: Quote from: Syntax Error on December 26, 2019, 01:09:19 pmBullshit. There are and have been countless investment channels over the years, crypto is no different.QuoteYou clearly haven't looked at the channels and videos being taken down.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 01:40:55 pm
content: Quote from: Syntax Error on December 26, 2019, 01:09:19 pmThat makes youtube apublisherinstead ofplatform. There are HUGE legal implications in this.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 02:03:08 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 26, 2019, 01:40:55 pmI think that Youtube is already deemed to be a publisher and not just a platform. Just look at the many copyright infringement cases over the past decades. Altavista, Google, etc could not get away with claiming they where just a platform which allows to search websites. By gathering and presenting the information they are helping to facilitate the copyright infringement in the cases of copyright infringement. More recent court cases show that 'platforms' like Facebook, Youtube, etc are responsible for the content they publish on their website. Unregulated 'internet' (or better put: generic WWW) has ceased to exist a long time ago (and IMHO for good reasons).

author: thinkfat
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 03:16:38 pm
content: Louis Rossmann got two strikes for cat videos. Go figure, YouTube is not targeting anyone in particular, just their stupid AI is going bonkers.

author: coppercone2
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 03:19:19 pm
content: Quote from: thinkfat on December 26, 2019, 03:16:38 pmbut googles sister unit works fine!

author: Syntax Error
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 03:52:11 pm
content: @EEVBlog : Dude, harshUnlike regular investments or investment channels, the crypto market is wholey unregulated. With the collective magnitude of losses from those who put their life savings into these crypto-scams, after thoroughly researching their investments on YouTube, the class action lawyers will be looking to the largest and lowest hanging fruit - which is Alphabet, aka Google. Google is not exactly flavour of the month with governments, so beating the Big Greedy also looks good.But why would Alphabet's board of Directors - Sorry team YouTube - go to war on crypto content over the holiday period? Did they think no-one would notice because we're all partying in Boca Raton (other Trump resorts are available).Maybe this is an algorithm gone rogue? Or there's aboiler roomofcontent censorsin south east somewhere? Censors who lack the necessary understanding of the nuances of the English language. "Harmfull and dangerous" just means, "that what we click johnny!"How does the State of California, where most 'internet law' is upheld, define dangerous? Reading around this this afternoon, for something to be "dangerous" there has to beevidenceit is so or, there is a proven propensity for it to be so. If the video is harmful or dangerous, then the publisher (not YT) would benegligent? More low hanging fruit anyone?Thinks: Is this purge affecting XRP, Ethereum, Tether, Dash and BitcoinCash content? Because as this purge has impacted the Bitcoin price, has anyone been trading BTC over the holiday period?@EEVBlog: Don't mess with the middle, reach for the top. Why not Tweet Alphabet's board members for an answer? Alphabet has, "... a timeless mission, enduring values, and a culture of collaboration...".https://blog.google/inside-google/alphabet/letter-from-larry-and-sergey

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 04:00:22 pm
content: That happened right after Larry/Sergey left their CEO roles at Alphabet, didn't it.

author: daqq
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 04:51:28 pm
content: All in all, youtube is going down the shitter.QuoteCurrent day journalism and news are sadly lacking in scientific reporting. Unfortunately, science is simply difficult to make entertaining for the masses, as such there's little profit to be had. On the other hand, pseudoscientific bullshit, regurgitation of marketing statements from scammy 'companies', crap like horoscopes and similar is at an all time high.When serious research is done and published, unless it's an absolutely revolutionary groundbreaking thing, it doesn't get much, if any, screen time. When some nutjob claims to have invented the perpetual motion machine, there's a TV crew with a scientifically illiterate moron at the helm.

author: Syntax Error
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 05:21:04 pm
content: Quote from: Bud on December 26, 2019, 04:00:22 pmWhat an interesting conicidence... I'm sure taking charge of tricky situations is somewhere in the small print of Sundar Pichai's golden directorship deal. Either way, he should have YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki on speed dial - or Alexa does.Inside the head of the YouTube Head: "YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki | Full interview | Code 2019"[ difficult audience question at 33m30s ]

author: Kilrah
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 05:26:09 pm
content: The AI is just going on wild streaks regularly, and YT relies so much on it they probably don't have the staffing to check what it's doing and detect/fix its mess in a timely manner anymore.A couple of months ago it did the same to robot combat channels, suddently deciding it was "animal cruelty".Believe it got fixed after a couple of weeks.Then there was that livestream where the host ran some kind of contest or something and having people vote with emojis, and with the lot of them the AI decided it was spam and banned everyone, even locking them out of their Google accounts...

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 06:37:19 pm
content: There is no real AI only algorithms and data sets it manipulates to look as if it was AI.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 06:53:15 pm
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 26, 2019, 10:24:46 amJournalism and TV did have a lot of influence. They were the ones to tell everyone who is the good guys and who is the bad guys, after the Church went out of vogue. I mean, just look at one of the largest American newspaper's website with their big banner saying "democracy dies in darkness". Do they look to you like people who report impartially about events or like influencers? What do you think they think about themselves and their job? And it's hardly an isolated incident; IME many journalists have similar attitude.There is no denying that journalists tend to be biased towards certain political options and so are many or possibly even most in the academia. In fact, the ability to influence masses was what brought some of them to journalism and education in the first place. At the same time, many people don't like many things about modern society and all those "elites" simply have no answer to such people so the idiots among them do what idiots do best and come up with idiotic theories. No amount of "journalists" and "scientists" will convince them to change their mind because neither side cares to give up certain positions.I say that this is a consequence of wanting science, journalism and educated population to replace government. And it kinda is; the moment you have people whose job is telling the masses what's true and false, that moment you are going to have power freaks trying to get those jobs. You can imagine that these days I am quite cynical about the whole concept.

author: blacksheeplogic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 11:01:34 pm
content: Quote from: magic on December 26, 2019, 06:53:15 pmThere's the argument that was put forward some posts above that their has to be some restraint with he example given 'Vaccines' and the harm created by the anti-vac's. However, the problem is who decides, it was for a time the church, then the government, and now it's the likes of Google & Facebook.There's really no way to oppose this because of the high entry barrier to create the infrastructure and build a viable alternative is almost insurmountable. I don't particularly favor government control either but I feel we are getting to a point where some intervention is needed to break up these giants in a manner similar to what the US did with AT&T. For example should the carriers be the service providers?Don't really know what the right answer is but there's too much control in too few with little accountability. My 2c.

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 26, 2019, 11:44:48 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 26, 2019, 01:39:03 pmCrypto most certainly is different. It is unregulated. It needs to be regulated.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 12:00:45 am
content: Quote from: blacksheeplogic on December 26, 2019, 11:01:34 pmIn the end a balanced democracy (where there isn't a concentration of power in one person) should be the answer. But this will only work if the voters are educated well enough not to fall for BS stories. That is a though call but in the end the responsibility is with the people.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 12:31:19 am
content: After watching some more videos overnight, including Louis Rossmann's latest, I've decided to make a positive move away from Youtube. As consumers, we largely dictate the market. There is no point in banging on about alternatives if no one uses them... so I'm starting now.I have downloaded both the LBRY and Vimeo applications on to my phone (which is what I use for most of my viewing) and whilst both aren't quite as polished as YouTube, they offer numerous advantages. Firstly, you don't need to sign up for an account to view any of the content, you can just skip that stage. Secondly, no advertising! I can even follow my favourite channels on LBRY without an account or signing in to anything.For those content creators that I follow and use these other platforms, I will exclusively only watch them using either LBRY or Vimeo from now on.If after almost 30 years of using Microsoft Windows, I can completely ditch it in favour of Linux, I'm sure I can do this too.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 01:05:53 am
content: Everyone can relax, it was just an "error"Coincidentally just as the purge news had hit Forbes and other big news sites...

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 01:10:34 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 27, 2019, 12:31:19 amA couple of videos about LBRY from me coming up...*cough* *cough*I'm up to 1500 subs on LBRY now, and the daily subs growth on LBRY is approaching that of my Youtube channel!Hence why I've been pushing this the last handful of videos, and that will continue.As for Vimeo, sadly that's not hugely viable for creators. Not only is there no audience there (Bitchute and LBRY have larger existing audiences), there is no ability to auto-sync content from Youtube.So that means creators have to not only manually upload to Vimeo, but also the title, description, thumbnail, etc, all manually. This is a real PITA and is why I don't bother. I just batch upload to Vimeo occasionally by just dragging the files over. Hence the title defaults to the filename, and there is no description.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 01:25:54 am
content: Quote from: Syntax Error on December 26, 2019, 03:52:11 pmGoogle is legally protected because it's a PLATFORM and NOT a PUBLISHER. These are very specific legal protections under US law.Once Youtube start moderating content thinking they have a "duty of care" as you put it, they risk becoming a PUBLISHER, and they are no longer legally protected.I highly recommend you go and research this.

author: Red Squirrel
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 07:55:41 am
content: The US has too many laws and regulations about every little thing when it comes to the internet, which is what forces Youtube to be so ridiculous, though YT is still at fault too because they do everything with a shot gun approach which perhaps they don't need to, and lot of people get screwed. Either way, there really needs to be a competing platform, and it needs to be based in a country that has friendlier internet related laws. Like just look at the whole coppa thing, it's ridiculous.LBRY does look interesting, I created an account, just not sure how scalable something like that is. Blockchain is an interesting tech but I don't think it's the end all be all of decentralizing stuff.I have two Youtube videos related to me giving away Ethereum. One is the announcement that I'm giving it away and the other is me announcing the winner. I'll be curious to see if these eventually get deleted. So far they have not been hit. The videos don't mean anything at this point though, it's about a contest that's now over. Maybe because I'm not really specifically talking about crypto they flew under the radar.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 08:31:07 am
content: Quote from: Red Squirrel on December 27, 2019, 07:55:41 amFixed it for you.

author: I wanted a rude username
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 08:33:13 am
content: Quote from: legacy on December 26, 2019, 03:11:03 pmYouTube's algorithms may have misidentified her as a child. Giventheir problems with child-directed content, the algorithms may be overly trigger-happy upon detecting the combination of child plus horror.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 08:55:50 am
content: Quote from: nctnico on December 27, 2019, 12:00:45 amA rather convoluted way of saying "never"And really, BS stories from the Internet are not even all of that, quite educated people routinely fall for BS stories from politicians and the media too. You people really are going after low hanging fruit by picking on antivaxers and flat earthers.

author: Kilrah
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 09:19:00 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 27, 2019, 12:31:19 amThere has never been a need for an account to watch youtube videos either.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 09:45:17 am
content: Quote from: Halcyon on December 27, 2019, 12:31:19 amAnonymity favorites anonymous shit, hence this is not an advantage, while if you get banned on Youtube, you stay banned even on other Google's services.Quote from: Halcyon on December 27, 2019, 12:31:19 amYeah, whimpers have to complain how annoying it is to see the video stopped for advertising, like when you are in your car, and you complain that the traffic light gets red and you have to wait for it becoming green, or you have to stop and wait at the level crossing because a train is there about to pass.Life is something like that. With semaphores.I am not an expert on digital marketing, but talking about TVs I have some experience with a local TV station where no advertising apparently seemed a good idea, but in the end, it meant the management had to find a way to get money, and ... things went even worse without advertising.Life is something like that. Nobody does things really for free, and even a smile hides advertising.Now Youtube now has some problem with its algorithms, ok, hope this can be fixed somehow ... but at the moment I wonder ... has it ever asked you a single penny for all the hours of news, entertainment, and business opportunities it has given you?

author: Cubdriver
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 09:48:53 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 27, 2019, 01:05:53 amSeems they make a lot of those. Ready, fire, aim!-Pat

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 09:50:47 am
content: Quote from: Kilrah on December 27, 2019, 09:19:00 amAn account is required only toto vote I like/disliketo commentto chat (usually used in a live streaming)to receive notifications about new pubblished videosto receive replies (from the author, or from other users) to your comments

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 10:10:16 am
content: Quote from: legacy on December 27, 2019, 09:45:17 amYoutube didn't create that news and entertainment, the content creators did.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 11:05:08 am
content: Quote from: I wanted a rude username on December 27, 2019, 08:33:13 amSomething like that. Titles with "horror stories" triggered something, and she had to edit, especially when she talks about murders, suicides, cannibalism, aliens, and all the funny stories used in a movie, e.g. American Horror Stories, and the funny was ... she also had to edit a video talking about Charlie's Angels, why?!? Because she usually dresses "a crown of eyeballs over her head", with the background color polarization that "tends to be red", and this is wrongly perceived by the AI as "dangerous" content(1)edit:(1) AI bugged? or intentionally, as an excuse for demonetizing the video? who knows ...

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 11:12:37 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 27, 2019, 10:10:16 amYoutube allows Youtubers (content creators) to show their content. I meant. And (if I have understood it correctly) it also gives direct (1) indirect (2) ways to make business on this.In the end, it's not perfect, but it doesn't look so bad(1) Youtube pays an average of 50 cent per 1000 visualizations(2) Youtube allows affiliations; you post a video, you link Amazon's products in the "infobox" section of your video, visitors click on the link and buy stuff on Amazon, and Amazon pays you. Youtube allows you to do that without asking you a penny.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 11:32:39 am
content: @EEVblogyou have an italian clone-something: "MVVblog" is there, and sometimes this dude quotes youFound yesterday, when I was looking for a review about a router.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 12:17:25 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 27, 2019, 11:32:39 am

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 12:21:33 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 27, 2019, 11:12:37 amSure, but it's a symbiotic relationship, Youtube would not exist if there were no content creators, that's why it's calledYOUtube.But they seem to forgot this and take it for granted, and do everything possible to piss off those content creators.

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 12:56:54 pm
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 27, 2019, 12:21:33 pmah, ok, I get your point. Well, I hope this is just a temporary problem caused by the new emerging artificial intelligence technology. I am personally investing a lot of my time in Erlang, Prolog, and Tensorflow. The first two are well known and don't usually give you bad surprises (except, like in my case, if your skills at programming do suck), but Tensorflow is something new and ... sometimes it tends to piss-off users and even super expert devs because its reactions are completely unexpected, and because there are too many hidden variables to consider during the process.This girl is known as "Naomi 'SexyCyborg' Wu", she is a Chinese girl, and ... well. I am surprised that YT hasn't issued a warning due to her weird format. This girl is ... well. I am surprised YT hasn't issued a warning due to her --- emm emm --- "visual format". She talks about 3d printers and technology, but look at how she talks about that. I know a couple of cosplay actress got a warning (kind of "your content should be for adult only") because they appeared semi-naked in a video, while they weren't naked because they wore a pink-body-dress under the costume as showgirls do.Dunno how the artificial intelligence can understand if a body is naked or not naked, hence ok for a certain kind of audience or not. What does it consider? Dunno, anyway Naomi's format seems approved.Perhaps, she is just lucky

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 01:41:26 pm
content: Probably because "girls dressed sexy" includes a lot of content, just that she stands out because the intersection with "DIY electronics" is incredibly tiny. Also, some entertainment companies are getting away with that sort of content, which individual content creators aren't too happy about:

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 03:05:09 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 27, 2019, 01:41:26 pmI'll be back in a few moments...

author: Syntax Error
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 03:32:50 pm
content: Guys, that's just too muchweird science.No wonder there's so few women in engineering.@EEVBlog : In Europe,is Google/YouTube a tech platform or an unregulated publisher, is a big debate. (Especially for regulators who grandstand in front of their own committees). The platform model certainly worked when YouTube was kids posting VGA quality cat videos or being America's idiot of the week on a skateboard; but with millions of hours of HD content and an infrastructure to insurelegal compliance(moderation), is it still aplatformfor free speech? YouTube is a de facto BROADCASTER. They store content from producers, broadcast innumerable channels across multiple territories, then sell metrics and airtime to advertisers. This generates income for content producers who make more content for more revenue. YouTube effectively commissions production by offering a monetization path. So for unregulated publisher read unregulated broadcaster. It will be interesting to hear their explanation why their crypto crackdown turned into such a clusterf*k? Publish and be damned.@legacy : are they saying her content is dangerous, orsheis dangerous? A valid observation or adefamatorystatement from a corporation that's too big to sue?

author: legacy
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 04:37:34 pm
content: Quote from: Syntax Error on December 27, 2019, 03:32:50 pmmy humor for the word "dangerous content", like if having a red-polarization could make a video "dangerous", etc. When it's perceived this way, it's clearly a bug in the AI.She is not dangerous, and her videos are not dangerous. She is simply talking about movies, and she is a degree in film-criticism, but Youtube has several times demonetized (= hasn't paid for) any visualization of some of her videos. Why does it happen? Because for the algorithm (aka the artificial intelligence) there are non-conformities probably due to her visual format.It can be fixed, and she can for sure unlock the pending payment, but I think she has to manually contact some human being in the YT team to sort it out.

author: Syntax Error
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 05:24:31 pm
content: Quote from: legacy on December 27, 2019, 04:37:34 pmYouTube isNOTa publisher, but withholds payments to a content creator for violations? Sounds rather like the behaviour of a publisher to me. As for deciding ifred is the new dead, it's actually a building of messed-in-the-head college kids who are forced to watch everything the A.I. system flags up. Maybe the guy who developed this sacred A.I. algorithm had previoulsy coded flight control systems at Boeing in South Carolina?

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 27, 2019, 10:36:53 pm
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 27, 2019, 01:41:26 pmIt's not how she dresses or commercial vs individual, but the fact that unlike the others her sole purpose appears to be getting men off.You know, there are other sites for that kind of shows

author: SiliconWizard
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2019, 12:01:06 am
content: Quote from: Syntax Error on December 27, 2019, 05:24:31 pmYeah, this point is very tricky, and a real mess.The mere fact that Youtube can decide which content can stay on the "platform" and which can't makes it have prerogatives of a publisher. The fact it can withhold payments as well. As long as it has a say in the contents themselves, it's a publisher IMO. But they are probably working around that, at least for the pure censoring. They just say videos are censored when they are against the law. That in itself doesn't make them publishers, but just respecting laws... as to demonetizing, I don't know which category it falls in... they are probably just following their customers' wishes (the companies that pay for advertising). This doesn't make them publishers per se, but some sort of agent between the companies and the content creators.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 28, 2019, 12:56:08 am
content: If this thread doesn't get back on track I'm going to have to clean it the thread.I don't want this to turn into another NiHaoMike wank fest.

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2019, 01:05:19 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 28, 2019, 12:01:06 amWhat if we responded to demonetization with our own demonetization? In other words, use adblock.

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2019, 01:24:34 am
content: Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 28, 2019, 12:01:06 amWell, Youtube is at least balancing somewhere between platform and publisher trying to be on the side which gets them most money for least effort. Is Youtube making money anyway? Last time I heard they where still making a loss.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2019, 05:15:41 am
content: Is it just me or is Rossmann now the go-to channel for cat videos?

author: nali
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2019, 11:09:44 am
content: Looks like YT have now admitted their mistake...YouTube admits error over Bitcoin video purgehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50924494Quote

author: nctnico
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2019, 11:12:05 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 27, 2019, 01:41:26 pmThat comparison is not going to fly. Music videos and other 'commercial' content has already been censored / rated and thus can be assumed to be safe.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 28, 2019, 11:21:17 am
content: Quote from: nali on December 28, 2019, 11:09:44 amThere are so many lies in their statement it's not funny.

author: Bud
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 12:32:29 am
content: "Making the wrong call" and "mistakenly remove" are not the same thing, aren't they.

author: Halcyon
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 02:23:15 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 28, 2019, 05:15:41 amNo, I think Mike Jeavons still is the authority.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 05:00:56 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 28, 2019, 11:21:17 amThey still don't saywhattriggered this targeted purge of crypto content.That leaves us to ponder that it's either:1) AI that has gone beserk on it's own with no input from humans. If so, why and how did it do so?2) AI that has gone beserk based on some form of input or change from humans. If so, the question still remains why target crypto?3) It was a high up policy decision made either internally, or forced on them by external actors. Cue the conspiracy theory music. If this is the case then my guess would be that external actors want pressure put on crypto and Youtube said "We'll try it and see what the backlash is". Once they saw the extreme heat, they backed down.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 05:05:41 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 29, 2019, 05:00:56 amOn the AI going berserk, I cannot accept that a company the size of youtube and the dollars involved that an AI would be permitted to, and for such a sustained period, delete so many vids and channels without intervention during the process.

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 08:33:27 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 29, 2019, 05:05:41 amThe other side of the coin, Youtube has grown so big and basically own the market, that they can simply say ... "DONT LIKE US ? TAKE A HIKE !!" ... as simple as that.

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 08:51:42 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 29, 2019, 05:05:41 amI doubt it too and several of the people linked here complained that they appealed their strikes and haven't received an answer from humans for weeks. I take it was "wrong call" rather than "mistake", i.e. some not quite thought through internal policy change, perhaps under external pressure on "inspiration" or simply a test to see how much they can get away with in controlling this particular genreEither that or Youtube has reached AI singularity and computers are running the show now while humans can only try to save face and hide their lack of control behind doublespeak excuses

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 08:59:29 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 29, 2019, 05:05:41 amYep, I'm being very generous by even suggesting that's a possibility.Of coursesomeone fiddled with the controls behind the curtain here. The question is who and why.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 09:00:39 am
content: Quote from: BravoV on December 29, 2019, 08:33:27 amBut they still keep up the appearance and give lip service to caring. Watch any of Susan Alphabet's recent "interviews" with creators.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 09:02:28 am
content: Quote from: magic on December 29, 2019, 08:51:42 amAnd that's therealinteresting bit. Why was crypto targeted?, and under who's instruction?

author: BravoV
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 09:08:53 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 29, 2019, 09:00:39 amOf course, those are the real message that Google wants to convey, that whatever you (content creator) do, you will have the blessing from Google, as long you obey to what ever they want & say, don't even dare to ask why, let alone challenge them.Isn't that clear enough ?

author: magic
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 09:11:51 am
content: If I were the AI, or even a Youtube employee, I would quickly realize that BTC speculation can be much more profitable than hosting cat videos for free so the obvious thing to do appears to be using Youtube's influence to manipulate the market and insider trade on thateditNVM, I thought you were responding to the part about AI taking over

author: wilfred
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 11:08:47 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 29, 2019, 09:02:28 amBut at least some (that I checked) of Chris Dunn's videos you tweeted about are back online on YT now. If there were instructions to delete crypto then why even bother to restore access to them? As far as I can see these videos are likely to encourage people ignorant of the risks to get into into crypto investing that they'd be safer staying away from.And the response of going to LBRY where the creators have set aside 10% of the pool of LBRY credits for themselves seems highly questionable and massively ironic.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 11:30:46 am
content: Quote from: wilfred on December 29, 2019, 11:08:47 am*insert conspiracy theory*QuoteCompletely fair. They have worked hard on this for years.And you conveniently forgot to mention the part about them taking no cut at all of the LBRY trade from consumer to creator, and them only raising a paltry $500k in seed funding.

author: firewalker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 11:49:04 am
content: Could it be related with facebook's crypto currency and the news from Switzerland?Alexexander.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 29, 2019, 07:06:09 pm
content: YouTube is a publisher because it hosts and distributes content.There is loads of misleading crap on YouTube which I'd love to be deleted such as the dangerous climate change and new ice age conspiracy theory channels. Lots of them seem to do very well and receive lots of money in sponsorship from companies with vested interests in it. I accept there is a valid argument of leaving all of that rubbish, in the spirit of free speech, but people are often too ignorant to distinguish between real and pseudoscience.Cryptocurrencies are frequently used by criminals and scammers because they can't be traced. I've seen videos about scammers tricking people into opening cryptocurrency accounts to pay money into. Of course this doesn't mean that all crypto currency content is a scam, but YouTube's AI can't tell the difference. The problem is AI can't explain the reasoning behind its decisions which are the result of training. People will have reported scams involving cryptocurrencies and the AI would have learned to associate cryptocurrency with scams, hence the warnings.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 30, 2019, 02:59:43 am
content: My video I held off releasing:

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 30, 2019, 03:07:27 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 26, 2019, 08:38:43 amI still have the 720p podcast RSS version to this day 10 years later, hosting on my own server.I'm the only creator I know that still does this.QuotePatreon is the thing that saved many of them, but they ironically ended up doing a similar thing that Youtube have done.QuoteAny Youtuber who isn't automatically backing up their videos to at least LBRY and Bitchute is a fool. I've been saying this for years.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2019, 03:19:31 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on December 30, 2019, 02:59:43 amur banned!

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 30, 2019, 03:42:14 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 30, 2019, 03:19:31 amNot yet. It's a science experiment...

author: NiHaoMike
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2019, 02:36:53 pm
content: What I would like to see with LBRY is 4K (and beyond!) support and an easy to set up "cache node" based on a low power computer like a Raspberry Pi.

author: Ed.Kloonk
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: December 30, 2019, 10:51:01 pm
content: Was there a re-upload?

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 31, 2019, 12:26:39 am
content: Quote from: NiHaoMike on December 30, 2019, 02:36:53 pmI guess 4k will come, but 1080p is plenty for almost everyone at present to get Youtubers to start using it.Bitchute on the other hand is still 480p.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: December 31, 2019, 12:27:41 am
content: Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 30, 2019, 10:51:01 pmMy video?Technically there was, but nobody saw the original uploaded on the 21st anyway.

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: May 07, 2020, 11:29:30 pm
content: Quote from: Nobility on May 07, 2020, 09:45:07 pmThere is more to being a Youtuber than making money.