Not a Fluke I say - what say you? - Page 1
Forum section: electronics / testgear

author: mzacharias
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2019, 06:17:49 pm
content: https://www.ebay.com/itm/183655101030?ul_noapp=true

author: med6753
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2019, 06:24:16 pm
content: Agreed. Not a Fluke.

author: Gyro
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2019, 06:33:56 pm
content: Not with a thermocouple socket sitting next to the dial! That wouldn't meet a significant Cat rating

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2019, 06:47:21 pm
content: NOT a Fluke in a thousand years, they never used the meter jacks like theses.a rip off, unless the seller think its a Fluke or try to scam some one, it will never be a fluke lollReported to Ebay, well see .......Reported yesterday a BK Precision 5491b who was sold under 2 different ebay numbers, and the seller name was different, But upon checking the location, the name was almost identical with a written fault to divert attention ..... 1 of the two sales dissapeared loll

author: Cnoob
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2019, 06:57:19 pm
content: not even the Fluke logo above and left side of display, current selection wrong side.

author: AlfBaz
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2019, 08:12:07 pm
content: it would be a fluke if it handles a catIII event

author: helius
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 27, 2019, 10:44:21 pm
content: The instrument in question is obviously not a Fluke (although it has the yellow boot trade dress that Fluke litigiously defended).Whether it meets CAT standards is not definitive, since Fluke were making handheld meters before the standards existed; notably, they reduced the voltage range of the 8060A to meet the standards after their adoption. In a way this is annoying.

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 02:49:55 am
content: Unless the yellow jacket protector is a Fluke part put on this meter

author: blacksheeplogic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 03:45:23 am
content: I'm pretty sure I would remember that meter if it existed. The boards labeled 187 which did not exist in 93 and Fluke made their meters in the US. It's possible that there was some local Fluke version made for the Asian market made by a sub-contractor since this one's labeled made in Korea but the photo's look deceiving to me (pics of different meters).Edit: Where except in the listing does the meter have Fluke on it? None of the labeling say's fluke. All Fluke meters of that time period will be John Fluke.Confused listing or thinks listing it as Fluke will attract more interest.

author: ct1bxt
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 03:53:02 am
content: It´s from FINE company, Korea. Can see it in the last picture.Almost FLUKE ah ah ahRodrigo

author: coromonadalix
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 11:51:36 am
content: It's still a misleading title sale ... to bring traffic

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 11:53:00 am
content: Quote from: coromonadalix on January 28, 2019, 11:51:36 amIf you're going to report every eBay listing that puts "Fluke" in the title to attract sales then you're going to be very busy.Just search for "Fluke multimeter" and sort by lowest price. There's hundreds of them.Some of them aren't even yellow:https://www.ebay.com/itm/282823767636

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 11:59:14 am
content: Here's somebody selling a brand new Fluke 117 for $31"Fluke 117 Electricians True RMS Multimeter"https://www.ebay.com/itm/303014179520Now look closer...The only advice for buying on eBay is "Caveat Emptor"

author: FransW
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 12:09:28 pm
content: mzacharias:It is only the carrying case. Look at the description.

author: totalnoob
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 12:38:28 pm
content: Quote from: Fungus on January 28, 2019, 11:53:00 amFrom what I have seen when searching for name brand equipment, whether it is a Fluke Multimeter or a Devilbiss spray gun or whatever, most sellers who sell similar items don't outright misrepresent what they are selling. They'll put in the description or title "Not (insert brand here)" so that if you are searching for "Fluke" it pulls up those listings that say "Fluke" and those that say "Not Fluke". I assume this gives the seller a way out to say that they did not mislead anyone since they explicitly stated it wasn't a (insert name brand here). Not too many that I have run across outright claim to be something they are not, but then I'm not a heavy Ebay user.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 01:05:20 pm
content: Quote from: totalnoob on January 28, 2019, 12:38:28 pmThe one I linked above also claims to be a "clamp"andit can measure Watts (apparently).

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 01:05:53 pm
content: LOL classic case of using the "Fluke" as a generic term like Xerox or something.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 01:06:41 pm
content: Quote from: FransW on January 28, 2019, 12:09:28 pmCorrect, but with a title "Fluke 117 Electricians True RMS Multimeter" it's pretty and seemingly intentionally misleading.

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 01:11:43 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on January 28, 2019, 01:06:41 pm

author: tsman
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 02:15:13 pm
content: Quote from: blacksheeplogic on January 28, 2019, 03:45:23 amThey appear to think it is a Fluke with the claim they ordered it personally from the Fluke catalog...Quote

author: Miti
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 03:13:02 pm
content: It looks pretty much like my Hung Chang HC-81. It is built around NJU9210.

author: bitwelder
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 03:25:48 pm
content: QuoteBummer!

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 03:50:48 pm
content: At least it's not a genuine Fuke!

author: bc888
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 04:25:13 pm
content: "Fine Instruments Corp" is a Korean company. So this addition seller added to the listing appears to be wildly incorrect:"----Update--- Since posting I've received some questions as to the originality of this Fluke. I've added pictures. It was purchased by ME personally in 1993. No internet back then so I ordered out of the fluke catalog. "

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 04:30:29 pm
content: It really does seem the seller is convinced of the origins of the meter, so I'm curious about the actual story.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 04:34:15 pm
content: Well it goes like this: He's a fucking wally

author: Fungus
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 06:13:38 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on January 28, 2019, 04:30:29 pmSimple: He's mistaken.Maybe he bought it from a "catalogue" that had Flukes listed on the same page. You'd think that fact that it doesn't say "Fluke" on the front would be a clue, but... itisyellow.OTOH $40+shipping for a 25-year old non-Fluke, non-working multimeter? Me? I'll pass.

author: med6753
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 06:19:35 pm
content: Now that he's been found out his response is simply trying to cover the issue with bullshit.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 06:26:33 pm
content: Quote from: med6753 on January 28, 2019, 06:19:35 pmWhat's the gain, though? Any buyer will simply leave a bad review and gets refunded.

author: mzacharias
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 08:50:18 pm
content: OK, new message from seller:"My apologies. After several messages I decided to hunt for the manual and found it. I guess my memory faded since 1993. You are right I was wrong. The manual and therefore the device is not a Fluke. I posted the manual and revised the listing. Thanks for pointing out. After all this, I wish I just threw it away which was my first impulse."At this point I would say it's resolved.Thanks to the guys here on the forum, I'm not an eBay cop, but I felt justified.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 09:09:03 pm
content: Quote from: mzacharias on January 28, 2019, 08:50:18 pmMemories are fickle. Evolutionary it's sensible to be very sure of them, but empirically they turn out to be rather terrible. We just bend out perception of truth until it all makes sense again. It's scares me to think we're essentially nothing but a curated collection of memories, and most of them are probably twisted or flat out wrong.

author: bd139
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 09:11:16 pm
content: That’s true up to the point that it becomes dishonesty by incompetence.

author: blacksheeplogic
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 09:14:21 pm
content: Quote from: Mr. Scram on January 28, 2019, 09:09:03 pmThe fact that branding on the meter strongly supported a brand other than Fluke - yea lets chalk it up to his memory, it's not like he could have been out to make a quick extra buck right?

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 09:16:47 pm
content: Quote from: bd139 on January 28, 2019, 09:11:16 pmThere are very interesting books out there on how the human mind is woefully terrible. Not just occasionally, but consistently. We're just masters at lying to ourselves about it.

author: Mr. Scram
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 09:19:02 pm
content: Quote from: blacksheeplogic on January 28, 2019, 09:14:21 pmNever attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Although I don't think it's stupidity either, see my previous posts. If you'd try to pull the wool over people's eyes you simply wouldn't respond to any messages and hope for some fool not visiting these forums to wander by.

author: gnavigator1007
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: January 28, 2019, 09:54:12 pm
content: Looks like the seller has removed Fluke from the listing. Suspect they were honestly mistaken. The meter was listed as for parts not working anyway. One would hope that anybody looking for a genuine 'for parts' Fluke would have noticed the mistake. I did find listings from a few years ago for Fluke RCC 470 meters used on eBay, so they are not the first ones to be confused. Can totally understand how someone not too familiar with this stuff could get confused, especially with the "Fluke" yellow. Some might even reason that it has to be a Fluke if it's yellow. After all , US CBP would have seized it on import if it wasn't legithttps://www.sparkfun.com/news/1428Another Fine 187 was discussed and repaired here back in 2014:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/tillquist-dt-447-true-rms-model-187-fine-instruments-corp/