Voltage too high - Page 1
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author: volyaire
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 03, 2018, 11:02:24 pm
content: I have built a voltage boost circuit using the LMR64010 chip. With 7.5v input it gives 18.5v output at no load which is correct, but when I add a 390 ohm load the voltage doubles to 36v. Why?

author: jim_griff
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2018, 12:31:41 am
content: Could you post a picture of the schematic? Might help diagnose it.

author: volyaire
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2018, 05:33:46 pm
content: Here is the circuit. It is built on a piece of veroboard 1.5" x 0.5"

author: Cyberdragon
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2018, 07:29:26 pm
content: What's your layout? This circuit is sensative being high frequency.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2018, 08:15:59 pm
content: Building high frequency circuits on perfboard is tricky. I would suggest trying deadbug or island construction on blank copper PCB for prototyping, it's likely to work much better. Study the datasheet for the IC carefully paying particular attention to layout guidelines.

author: volyaire
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2018, 11:43:19 pm
content: I've tried several different layouts and at worst it went up to 57v! It should be 18v. Can anyone suggest a similar chip to boost 7.5v to 20v but at a lower frequency like 100kHz?

author: fable
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 04, 2018, 11:52:32 pm
content: MC34063

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 12:37:34 am
content: The chip you have will work fine if you get the layout right. The fact that you've tried several different layouts doesn't mean you've got it right. You can also get ready made modules both buck and boost types very cheaply from Chinese sellers. Most of the ones I've tried work fine.

author: volyaire
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 12:58:50 am
content: OK. If I increased the 120p capacitor would the frequency drop?

author: eblc1388
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 01:00:45 am
content: Quote from: volyaire on January 04, 2018, 11:43:19 pmI would eliminate the possibility that the meter is not given me the correct reading, by using another meter.

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 01:08:37 am
content: Can you put a closeup picture of it (with load included)?

author: volyaire
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 02:13:25 am
content: Quote from: james_s on January 05, 2018, 12:37:34 amCan you give me a link? Thanks.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 08:17:25 am
content: https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-Boost-Step-up-Conversion-Module-MicroUSB-2V-24V-to-5V-28V-9V-12V-24V-KW/162740255290?https://www.ebay.com/itm/MT3608-DC-DC-Step-Up-Power-Apply-Module-Booster-Power-Module-for-Arduino-WF/371715292300?https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-Boost-Regulator-3V-35V-5V-12V-to-5V-35V-24V-Step-up-Power-supply-Module/112335746696?

author: volyaire
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 04:12:47 pm
content: Thanks for those links. I'll probably have one more go at re-arranging it before I give up. My meter is OK. Here is the picture of the layout. Is the inductor too big? It is 10uH.

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 04:44:52 pm
content: You'd have to look at the datasheet regarding the inductor, but those long spindly leads going to the IC are likely a big part of the problem. You need to have short relatively thick connections for the switching side. Stick the IC onto the board and run the wires across to it, might be easiest to stick it to the bottom.

author: volyaire
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 04:48:58 pm
content: Thanks

author: RoGeorge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 05:24:52 pm
content: Sometimes I cut a perfboard pad in half in order to accommodate cases with pitch smaller than 0.1 inch, something like this:https://hackaday.io/project/7574-the-devil-is-in-the-details/log/26074-diy-breadboard-friendly-soic-breakout-boards

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 05:49:59 pm
content: I usually cut strips of polyamide tape to insulate under pins I want to isolate, there are a variety of different methods though. For prototyping don't be afraid to bend a pin up or down to clear other things.

author: Zero999
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 05, 2018, 08:34:17 pm
content: Quote from: RoGeorge on January 05, 2018, 05:24:52 pmI don the same thing with stripboard, except I often don't bother with a breakout board. I cut the strips in half, all around the IC. It works quite well.

author: jim_griff
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: January 06, 2018, 05:06:43 pm
content: Quote from: volyaire on January 05, 2018, 04:12:47 pmDefinitely parasitic inductance judging by the relatively large inductor and the long leads soldered to the chip.I've been lucky enough in the past to have built RF circuits upwards of 400MHz on breadboard/perfboard, but usually anything above a few hundred kHz can get wonky quite easily. Some circuit configurations may work perfectly for a while then suddenly stop working. With HF in the circuit, it's all about getting the layout right.Short lead lengths andstarground configurations (if you don't have a solid ground plane) can help when prototyping. Manhattan style is quick and useful for prototyping if you're using leaded components (although mostly used for RF circuits).

author: volyaire
author_rank: Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2018, 07:38:47 pm
content: I redesigned the layout roughly copying the data sheet and using a much smaller 10uH inductor (see picture) and now it works well

author: james_s
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: January 11, 2018, 10:05:39 pm
content: Good to hear. This is an excellent example of the importance of layout when dealing with high frequency circuits. Seemingly tiny amounts of inductance and capacitance that would be irrelevant at low frequencies can have huge effects.