Landing a A380 on an aircraft carrier - Page 1
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author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2016, 09:33:00 pm
content: For funany plane simulator fans here ?

author: Homer J Simpson
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 22, 2016, 11:08:12 pm
content: Saw that the other day.Here is a real flight that's pretty cool. I believe these are for sale.MIG 29 to 15000 m / 52000 ft +

author: EEVblog
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 12:07:47 am
content: Quote from: Homer J Simpson on August 22, 2016, 11:08:12 pmYep, I almost went on one way back in the early 90's, it was about US$10kOne of the things I regret not going through with

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 12:15:12 am
content: Quote from: Homer J Simpson on August 22, 2016, 11:08:12 pm16,500 eurohttp://fly-mig29.com/programms.htmlNice to have money to burn

author: SkyMaster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 01:24:35 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on August 23, 2016, 12:11:39 amA barrel roll was done with the 707 demonstrator. It was done to impress potential customers. In all fairness the roll was done with positive G; the 707 didn't knew it was inverted. But the Captain was told to never do that ever again.Somebody rolled a 747 intentionally?

author: SkyMaster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 01:48:56 am
content: Quote from: blueskull on August 23, 2016, 01:32:52 amI read the book, the title is "Hijacked".The aircraft was a DC-10 (three engines). I am not sure that the pilot intentionally rolled the aircraft. At some point, both pilots and the Flight Engineer were fighting with the hijacker in the back of the aircraft; nobody was at the control, the autopilot was disconnected.The captain was able to regain control of the aircraft and bring the aircraft on the ground, but at that point the aircraft was bent and could not be flown anymore.If I remember correctly, due to the injuries following the attack, both pilot and the Flight Enginner lost their medical certificate and never flew again. They received a gold medal for heroism though.The hijacker was another Fedex pilot who was about to loose his job.A crazy story

author: strangersound
author_rank: Regular Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 01:56:23 am
content: Quote from: Homer J Simpson on August 22, 2016, 11:08:12 pmCool video.Sidenote: Goes to watch video, gets distracted by round vs flat Earth debates. Holy cow.I'm not sure what troubles me more, the flat Earth crowd or all the people who used the video to call them out. I left this comment even though I really didn't care to get into it. I'm not sure if it will do any good...the flat Earth crowd will just take the video I posted and run with it to fuel their nonsense (Go figure...the video of the weather balloon footage has comments disabled...I can only hazard a guess why.) But the people who were calling them out are obviously just as ignorant, just a different type.Quote

author: sleemanj
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:07:22 am
content: Quote from: ez24 on August 22, 2016, 09:33:00 pmI used to spend a lot of time in FlightGear, and before that TRI Fly & FlyII, MSFS all the way back to DOS days, although my interests were never heavy iron - low, slow, stick and rudder, STOL and rotary wing was my thing.I'm not sure I'd call GTA an aircraft simulator though... I kinda suspect the physics are somewhat lacking :-/

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:11:53 am
content: Quote from: SkyMaster on August 23, 2016, 01:48:56 amN306FE last took off just 50 minutes ago and should land at Memphis in an hour.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:19:10 am
content: Quote from: strangersound on August 23, 2016, 01:56:23 amI, too, am amazed at how vehement some people are about photographic 'evidence' without having some basic knowledge.One pedantic point - in my understanding, spherical aberration is more a 'deviation from the ideal' in lenses. It isn't really a factor in the observable curvature of an image. That just comes from the physics of short focal length lenses.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:22:03 am
content: Quote from: sleemanj on August 23, 2016, 02:07:22 amYes. The deceleration on the deck of the carrier was just plain wrong.It's not as if the aircraft had a hook it could snag on one of the arresting wires.

author: SkyMaster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:23:45 am
content: Quote from: Monkeh on August 23, 2016, 02:11:53 amAlright alright. The DC-10, if it is the same, must have received heavy repairs. From the book, the horizontal stabilizer was visibly bent and fuel was leaking from the wings, among other things.Anything can be repaired if you throw enough money at it.

author: SkyMaster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:26:37 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on August 23, 2016, 02:22:03 amMaybe the wind was blowing at 125 knots

author: SkyMaster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:28:40 am
content: In the 60's, a C-130 Hercules did land (and took off) from an aircraft carrier

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:29:18 am
content: Quote from: SkyMaster on August 23, 2016, 02:23:45 amI don't know how accurate the book is, but yes, the aircraft suffered a great deal of damage. FedEx claimed over $800,000 in property damage. Tough old birds, those DC-10s. Rocky start, but they didn't half come good.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:29:39 am
content: Quote from: SkyMaster on August 23, 2016, 02:23:45 amIf it was retired from service, it would have likely been from a combination of 'Not economically repairable' and not knowing what had been damaged. Such a major strain on the airframe could have dozens of imperceptible effects that could lead to catastrophic failure - and in flight, you can't just pull over to the side of the road.

author: Monkeh
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:32:24 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on August 23, 2016, 02:29:39 amIt was, however, not retired! Literally flying right now, just coming up to Hoover, Alabama.Remarkable, really, planes have been retired for a lot less than flying inverted with a load and going transsonic.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:35:46 am
content: Quote from: SkyMaster on August 23, 2016, 02:26:37 amMake it 150 knots - and then maybe we could try some VTOL exercises!

author: SkyMaster
author_rank: Frequent Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 02:40:43 am
content: Quote from: Brumby on August 23, 2016, 02:29:39 amAbout 10 years ago, two pilots from Pinnacle Airlines tried an unauthorized, and improperly performed, stunt with a CRJ-200. It was a ferry flight, they climbed to 41,000 feet (FL410) without following the proper procedures. They seized both engines. They didn't declare an emergency until it was too late. They tried to put it down on a road. It didn't work out for them.

author: Skimask
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 04:30:59 am
content: Holy shit some people are stupid.

author: ez24
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 04:33:51 am
content: Quote from: SkyMaster on August 23, 2016, 02:40:43 amThe pilots made the Darwin list:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Airlines_Flight_3701

author: PartialDischarge
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 05:49:49 am
content: Quote from: EEVblog on August 23, 2016, 12:07:47 amNot quite the same thing, but try flying paramotor with an instructor, orders of magnitude cheaper, and really fun

author: MT
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 11:42:47 am
content: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 12:01:27 pm
content: "round vs flat Earth debates."I have been to 45 to 47kft and the earth curvature is noticeable to naked eyes.Putting aside optical distortion (which is easy to detect), a wide angle lens can only exaggerates the curvature (which is what you observe in the edge of space videos) but it cannot create the curvature.So yes, it is a valid evidence of round earth.

author: dannyf
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 12:04:19 pm
content: "If it was not the exact condition with equally well trained crew, it could well be another 911."Absolutely. The altitude at which the bird strike took place was highly unusual. And the water procedure wasn't followed properly. If were not for the quick evacuation and rescue, there likely would have been loss of life that day.

author: Brumby
author_rank: Unknown
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 01:39:15 pm
content: Quote from: dannyf on August 23, 2016, 12:01:27 pmCredibility fail.Utterly.Completely.Irrevocably.

author: rrinker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 04:30:58 pm
content: That Pinnacle thing - reading what happened to the engines, the machine shop I used to work for, we made those honeycomb bits for GE turbines, though not that particular model engine.I keep skipping the opportunity to fly on a B-17 when they come around every year for the WWII Weekend they run at the local airfield, once of these days I will just pony up the money and do it.Back in the day with MS Flight Simulator I was able to land the DC-3 on the aircraft carrier outside of SF. Not enough room to move back to place to attempt a takeoff. If I started out on the carrier, I could get it in the air - barely. The landings required a stall onto the stern, since there were no arrestor wires.

author: SeanB
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 23, 2016, 06:33:40 pm
content: Quick ones from when I was in the air force.When an apprentice I was helping to swing the compasses ( compensate for the ferrous metal in the airframe) on a Super Frelon, and, after the obligatory 3 hours in the middle of the swamp ( the compass swing bay was a tarred circle that was 50m off the main runway of the airport, literally if you went off the tar, you would sink knee deep in the ground. Altitude zero feet above mean sea level, and with a plane landing or taking off every 10 minutes) we were finished, and the pilots asked who wanted to go for a relaxing de-stressing ( for them) flight, seeing as they had been sitting in the cockpit for 3 hours, in the sun, with the engines running at near full power, with my boss lying inside the rear of the cabin up inside the access panel ( and losing around 2l per hour as sweat there) turning the little adjustment compensator magnets on the fluxgate compass, and with my other boss outside in the sun with the theodolite and compass to get the reference.I was the gofor, running around and relaying the instructions from one to another. Turning the chopper was a tow tractor, who had to get the bird in the right orientation, then get unhooked and drive onto the access road, so the big 16 ton metal mass would not interfere, then come and move it 90 degrees, and rinse and repeat. We had started with full tanks, but at the end were down to under a half tank, so there was a hour of fuel minimum left. So, loaded the stuff on the tractor, and let the AC fitter drive it back, along with the one, who was feeling very dehydrated ( 30C and 100% RH, like any summers day) from his time in the toaster oven, while the rest of use went for a flight.Super Frelon is not designed for negative G at all, but you can do positive G rolls and barrel rolls, which were very nice to enjoy, sitting in the open door, with my feet dangling out, and belted to the frame. Looking up and seeing the sea, and down to see the sky. Lucky they did not drop me off on the top of the water tower on the Radar installation, which was a famous thing they did at times.

author: Skimask
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 24, 2016, 02:44:39 am
content: Quote from: SeanB on August 23, 2016, 06:33:40 pmCompass swings...had to do a couple on the B-52G. No APU. Can't do it with engines running. Had to use a power unit right off the nose as far as the power cord would stretch. Same thing...turn 30 degrees, write down the numbers, turn 30 degrees, etc.etc.etc., wash, lather, rinse, repeat. Only difference was I never did one in hot weather...maybe 80F was the hottest.

author: bitseeker
author_rank: Super Contributor
timestamp: August 25, 2016, 01:08:06 am
content: Quote from: sleemanj on August 23, 2016, 02:07:22 amSame here. The Flight Unlimited series too. Bush flying!