Lists of Nintendo characters : While at one time the list of, well, lists was far more expansive, things have gradually cut down over time.  Additionally we also have categories and an organized template that provide the exact same function.  It also ends up a weird outlier: we don't do this for any other franchise (for example there's not a Lists of Square Enix characters ) I don't see sunsetting this as a controversial take.  Kung Fu Man ( talk ) 11:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Addendum: To better clarify, my argument is the list itself is so out of the way while at the same time specialized, that it doesn't work as either a navigation directory or disambiguation unlike other List of Lists articles, and instead add another layer of bookkeeping it has clearly failed at given how out of date it is at the time of this AfD. -- Kung Fu Man ( talk ) 15:47, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games .  Kung Fu Man ( talk ) 11:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions .  Hey man im josh ( talk ) 11:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete The list does not serve a good navigational purpose or meet LISTN.  QuicoleJR ( talk ) 12:19, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I have realized that there is a navigational purpose for this list.  Keep .  QuicoleJR ( talk ) 14:23, 4 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Seems like a valid navigational list for characters from Nintendo franchises.  OTHERSTUFF(doesn't)EXIST is not an argument for the deletion of a page, and I feel like a list of lists for Square Enix characters wouldn't be a bad idea either.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ ) 14:12, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Over the template that's on each of those pages though Zx?  I mean keep in mind I didn't notice this list even existed until I started working on character lists.  It's a bit out of sight, out of mind.  And not even up to date. -- Kung Fu Man ( talk ) 14:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] IMO, lists and templates can exist alongside each other.  One does not remove the need for the other.  You can't search for a template.  Lists of lists are a standard thing, nothing to see here.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ ) 14:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy Keep per criterion 3: no accurate deletion rationale presented.  See WP:Lists of lists .  Jclemens ( talk ) 15:35, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - Appears to be a pretty valid "List of Lists" for navigational purposes.  Rorshacma ( talk ) 17:07, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - it's long enough that I feel it's useful for navigational purposes, coexisting with the template already on some of those pages - especially since some of the lists aren't on that template but are in the list of lists article (such as Characters of Fire Emblem Fates and the lists for Pokemon characters in every generation [instead of just in the series as a whole]).  Suntooooth , it/he ( talk / contribs ) 18:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Suntooooth : yeah I fixed it up after this clearly seemed to be snowballing.  I can't withdraw but I figured if it was going to stick around may as well. -- Kung Fu Man ( talk ) 19:28, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Perfectly valid navigation list.  D r e a m Focus 20:08, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Agreeing with editors on this list of lists, but mainly with Jclemens in that the nom didn't provide proper rationale.  My guess is that it's WP:NLIST ?  Regardless, it provides useful navigation to the many lists of Nintendo-centric characters.  Conyo14 ( talk ) 20:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , this appears to be a useful list of lists.  Utopes ( talk / cont ) 06:32, 2 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep