Frank Mann (artist): When checking the sources, I found that every single museum collection and every award and honor failed verification; those have been removed but are in article history.  The current sources consist of: his own website, PR and press releases such as "PRdistribution" and "24-7 Press Release Newswire", other sources are user-submitted content such as Saatchi Art (which is not the same as Saatchi Gallery), an Artsy bio, Artavita, or are churnalism or native advertising .  It seems like WP:PROMO and possibly WP:UPE .  Netherzone ( talk ) 01:16, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators , Artists , Visual arts ,  and New York .  Netherzone ( talk ) 01:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete , I've removed a few sources that are deceptive seo/"guest posting" blogs.  The rest range from primary sources to simple labeled press releases.  Sam Kuru (talk) 01:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment: I've just watched this YouTube video , "Frank Mann honored member of IAOTP" (International Association of Top Professionals) and many of the sentences are word-for-word the exactly the same as those in the article.  The thing is, the video was uploaded three months ago, but the article was just created yesterday.  Wierd!  Could this be an AI generated article?  Netherzone ( talk ) 02:00, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] From what I can gather, the IATP seems very much like an organization where, for a fee, you can get awards, go to galas, etc. e.g. Please state below if you are interested in having a customized professional video, need a website built, customize press release, exposure on NBC, Fox, ABC, CBS etc.  SEO for websites to have a higher rank on Google and other search engines.  They don't seem to exist outside of the world of PR.  Think I'll go see how many articles mention this fluff... — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .  The only thing in the article that looked like a claim to artistic notability was a statement that his works were included as part of an exhibit at the 2019 Venice Biennale.  After some confusion with years, I found the web site for the exhibit [19] which does list him among many many other artists.  I don't think a small and otherwise unremarked part of a single high-profile large group exhibit is enough.  — David Eppstein ( talk ) 04:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The Art Newspaper has a 2022 article on "‘Pay-to-play’ galleries" which features a photo captioned "The European Cultural Centre charges artists between €12,000 and €15,000 to exhibit—shown here is its 2019 show in Venice Personal Structures: Identities 2019 at the Palazzo Bembo." .  AllyD ( talk ) 08:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Ok, then that definitely does not count towards WP:ARTIST .  Thanks for finding this.  — David Eppstein ( talk ) 19:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - Fails WP:ARTIST .  Not in any notable museums or collections.  Agree with nominator that this is Churnalism .  WomenArtistUpdates ( talk ) 17:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - Fails WP:ARTIST .  Nothing in terms of coverage or exhibits that he didn't pay for.  Best, GPL93 ( talk ) 20:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : I tried various searches seeking a fresh angle but did not find the substantial, independent coverage needed to demonstrate attained notability .  AllyD ( talk ) 07:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete -- not close to WP:ARTIST or WP:PROF criteria.  Pay-to-play (except for reasonable competition fees, etc.) doesn't count.  -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 20:57, 17 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete