Yang Bing-yi: MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Taiwan .  Shellwood ( talk ) 09:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources .  The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria , which says: People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable , intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject .  If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.  Sources Wang, Mei 王梅 (2001-01-01).  "楊秉彝開創「鼎泰豐」傳奇" [Yang Bingyi created the "Din Tai Fung" legend].  Global Views Monthly [ zh ] (in Chinese).  Archived from the original on 2023-05-18 .  Retrieved 2023-05-18 .  The article notes from Google Translate: "Yang Bingyi, the founder of "Din Tai Fung", was born in 1927, and his hometown is in Nao County, Shanxi Province, 240 miles away from Taiyuan City. At the age of thirteen, his hometown was occupied by the Japanese. Three years later, the Japanese surrendered. Bingyi went to the county seat to study a little. Not long after, the Communist Party came again, and the war broke out again. The Kuomintang and the Communist Party launched a fierce struggle, and the days were restless. Bingyi lived under bayonets and bullets all day long, and was terrified, worried that someday he would somehow get into trouble with his upper body? In the end, under the pretext of "going to Taiwan to study", he applied for leave to the army, left his hometown alone, and planned to go to Taiwan to join his uncle. That year, he was twenty-one years old."  The article further notes from Google Translate: "Bingyi delivered oil during the day and part-time at night. Boss Wang's younger brother was in the business of importing Shaoxing wine, and Bingyi also helped deliver the goods everywhere. Bing Yi came back from delivering the goods every day, and he helped wash them in the store. Boss Wang thinks that this young man is not bad, he is very diligent in his work, and he really keeps his duty. After two years, he was promoted to be the counter and responsible for checking the accounts. and manage in-store purchases."  May, Tiffany (2023-03-29).  "Yang Bing-yi, Who Brought Soup Dumplings to the World, Dies at 96. Starting with a modest shop in Taiwan in 1958, he built Din Tai Fung into a global dumpling and noodle empire, earning a Michelin star along the way" .  The New York Times .  Archived from the original on 2023-05-18 .  Retrieved 2023-05-18 .  The article notes: "Yang Bing-yi, the founder of Din Tai Fung, the Michelin-starred Taiwanese restaurant chain whose signature soup dumplings have attracted crowds around the world, has died at 96. ... Born in 1927 in Shanxi Province, China, Mr. Yang fled to Taiwan in the summer of 1948, when civil war erupted on the mainland. In Taiwan he found work as a deliveryman for Heng Tai Fung, a small shop that sold cooking oil. He later took charge of the shop’s accounts and inventory. When he was 28, he married Ms. Lai, a co-worker. The couple worked together until the shop closed, then opened Din Tai Fung as a cooking oil shop."  Smith, Harrison (2023-03-29).  "Yang Bing-yi, who built a soup-dumpling empire, dies at 96" .  The Washington Post .  Archived from the original on 2023-03-30 .  Retrieved 2023-05-18 .  The article notes: "Mr. Yang was born in 1927 in the North China province of Shanxi. According to historian Haiming Liu’s book “From Canton Restaurant to Panda Express: A History of Chinese Food in the United States,” he served “in a local warlord army” before deciding he was poorly suited to military life. In 1948, he moved to Taiwan, seeking new opportunities with help from an uncle who lived on the island. ... Mr. Yang started out as a delivery man at a cooking-oil company, rising to oversee the books. His colleagues included Lai, who he soon married; after the business went bankrupt, they started their own oil company in 1958. Its name, Din Tai Fung, combined the names of Mr. Yang’s old employer and new oil supplier."  Hagerty, James R. (2023-03-31).  "Taiwan Dumpling King Steamed His Way to Global Renown: Yang Bing-Yi, who has died at 96, founded the Din Tai Fung restaurant chain" .  The Wall Street Journal .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-02 .  Retrieved 2023-05-18 .  The article notes: "Mr. Yang was born in China’s Shanxi province in 1927. In the 1940s, he enlisted in the army of one of the warlords who then ruled parts of China, according to a history of Chinese food, “From Canton Restaurant to Panda Express,” by Haiming Liu."  Feng, Emily; Cao, Aowen (2023-03-29).  "Yang Bing-Yi, patriarch of Taiwan's soup dumpling empire, has died" .  NPR .  Archived from the original on 2023-05-18 .  Retrieved 2023-05-18 .  The article notes: "Yang went by boat to Taiwan at the age of 21 — as company legend has it, with only $20 in his pocket — to join his uncle, who was already on the island. They were part of a massive exodus of up to 2 million Chinese refugees who fled the mainland for Taiwan during the end of the Chinese civil war. ... In Taipei, Yang met Lai, who would become his wife. They dated in secret for years before marrying. Like many mainland migrants who came to Taiwan in the 1940s and 1950s, Yang was already married — but with all exchanges cut off between China and Taiwan, he was unsure if he would ever see his first wife again or be able to confirm if she was even alive."  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yang Bing-yi ( traditional Chinese : 楊秉彝 ; simplified Chinese : 杨秉彝 ) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline , which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".  Cunard ( talk ) 11:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The WP:INHERITED essay says: The fact of having a famous relative is not, in and of itself, sufficient to justify an independent article .   Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG .    Newborn babies are not notable except for an heir to a throne or similar.  The essay says, that a person "can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG ".  This applies to Yang Bing-yi.  He is known solely for founding Din Tai Fung , but because he passes WP:GNG , he can have an independent article.  Cunard ( talk ) 11:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I totally agree with keep but I think it would help if you could improve formatting.  Just link to the sources, you don't need to have 6 paragraphs of quotations that no one is going to read (and may also be potentially a violation of copyright).  AncientWalrus ( talk ) 16:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per User:Cunard .  — Mx.  Granger ( talk · contribs ) 13:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep WP:SIGCOV exists Lightburst ( talk ) 14:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Taiwanese businessman got extensive obituaries by CNN and NPR .  That should be more than enough for WP:BASIC .  AncientWalrus ( talk ) 16:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Multiple international news sources reported his death; Global Views article [8] talks about him at length, and more.  Hard to see how notability can seriously be called into question.  Oblivy ( talk ) 01:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  Coverage is sufficient to pass BASIC.  Rupples ( talk ) 00:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per above.  The person who loves reading ( talk ) 02:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep