Miss America 2024 : Was already redirected once and was contested twice, so I'm expecting a PROD to also be contested, hence skipping that step.  Taking Out The Trash ( talk ) 17:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep I don't really think it's too soon, it's basically in less than a year from now.  Barring some terrible thing happening, it will more than likely take place.  A few decent sources already in the article as well.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 17:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Beauty pageants and United States of America .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:50, 30 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Miss America until date and venue are confirmed.  Nate • ( chatter ) 17:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep.   There are already 4 contestants crowned, with a bunch more coming up in the next few weeks.   I don't think its too soon for this article.  Karalott84 ( talk ) 18:11, 30 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per Oaktree b , seeing as how there have been ninety five previous iterations it's somewhat likely the 96th will occur.  Although the article's wording implies the pageant has already taken place "Miss America 2024 was the 96th edition of the Miss America pageant" , I think the likelihood that it will occur later this year and the valid sources outweigh reasons to remove.  It is a good faith entry in the encyclopedia and if we remove it now, it will only reappear later this year.  WhichUserAmI ( talk ) 18:11, 30 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment The redirect is intended temporarily; we need a confirmed venue and date before an article is created, and this has been consistent for any article, pageant or not (and the continued pageant project/ANI drama makes draftspace a no-go).  Nate • ( chatter ) 01:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ MrSchimpf I'm curious if you have some easy links to discussions/similar coming to that consensus.  I don't recall seeing that requirement for future events when there's sufficient other coverage and it is likely enough to happen.  Thanks.  Skynxnex ( talk ) 20:06, 31 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Skynxnex - The pageant project has been dead for a while anyway, so I don't see what weight something that doesn't exist holds.  KatoKungLee ( talk ) 15:40, 3 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per Oaktree b, the fact that there are contests being crowned who will compete, and we're at the point if somehow it doesn't happen (or is moved to next year, say), we'd still want an article about it and this is a decent place to start.  Looking at WP:CRYSTAL again: for #1, it almost surely will happen and the event is notable; for the amount that this fits within #2, we know more than generic information, so this article passes since #3 through #5 are not relevant.  Skynxnex ( talk ) 19:09, 30 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - I'm voting to keep this due to the fact that we already know that various people are qualified for it and that makes it part of the competition.  I'd vote against it if Miss America 2025 was posted today.  KatoKungLee ( talk ) 15:39, 3 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep