Alan Filion: Fram ( talk ) 17:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People , Crime ,  and Florida .  Fram ( talk ) 17:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions .  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I did not make this article but I was going to make one on the same topic at Draft:Torswats , but alas I am extremely lazy and was beaten to the punch.  Would that still be okay?  I agree the one as is has problems.  Shouldn't be focused on him, should be on the service PARAKANYAA ( talk ) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] FWIW Torswats itself is 100% notable.  Gotta be careful about the BLP stuff until he's convicted though.  Also he was charged as an adult.  PARAKANYAA ( talk ) 17:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Fram any issue with an article on Torswats (the swatting service) and not Filion?  PARAKANYAA ( talk ) 17:52, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] If there isn't an issue, I can write the Torswats article fast and then redirect his name into it without mentioning it until he's convicted.  Relatively few of the sources name him anyway.  PARAKANYAA ( talk ) 18:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Draft : Would more than likely be notable once convicted, but until then, not really much for notability.  Perhaps TOOSOON Oaktree b ( talk ) 20:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Even then, from what the sources say he is not the only person behind "Torswats", he is the main one.  It is implied he had affiliates.  PARAKANYAA ( talk ) 20:47, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] also I agree with draftify if my proposal above isn't accepted.  PARAKANYAA ( talk ) 21:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment: I agree.  But I would consider @ PARAKANYAA 's request and redirect "Alan Filion" to Torswats if it is ever moved to articlespace.  Best, Danzigmusicfan1 ( talk ) 21:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete If an article is to be created about the pay-for-swatting incidents it should not be a BLP of a previously unknown minor with his mugshot before conviction.  The current article raises ethical issues and it should not be a BLP.  See WP:BLP1E .  Per WP:BLPCRIME 'Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction.  For individuals who are not public figures...editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured. " AusLondonder ( talk ) 11:54, 25 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete the only sources we have for the subject being Torswats all fail BLPCRIME, and if the subject isn't Torswats they are a non-notable minor.  -- LCU A ctively D isinterested « @ » ° ∆t ° 20:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete