Jabhat Ansar Al Sham: A draft already exists.  Significa liberdade ( talk ) 14:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Islam and Syria .  Kpg jhp jm 16:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : Article is very poorly written .  a quick search brings up some mentions of groups of the same name and ones related to it but no real WP:SIGCOV .  Kpg jhp jm 16:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] If this was 2015-2017 you could find on there website but in these times the world wws focused on isis not new rebel groups fighting against assad Libya345433 ( talk ) 18:21, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete: Bit of an unsourced, atrociously written trainwreck.  Even if this group exists, and a page supported with reliable sources could be produced, this is so from what that would look like that it's an obvious case of WP:TNT .  Iskandar323 ( talk ) 16:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] for 1 they do exist 2 its my first edit Libya345433 ( talk ) 18:19, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] the draft i made is unfinished unlike the page i made Libya345433 ( talk ) 18:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] For future reference, when a draft is ready to be published to the mainspace, you'll want to use Wikipedia's Move feature (see WP:Drafts#Moving drafts to mainspace .  If moved, the draft will automatically be deleted.  In a situation like this, having that draft deleted means we would be able to move the current article back into the draft space instead of deleting it.  Significa liberdade ( talk ) 20:25, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] so the jabhat Ansar Al Sham page isnt getting deleted?  Libya345433 ( talk ) 20:50, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] That is yet to be decided.  At present, the article is being proposed for deletion for not meeting the standards of a Wikipedia article.  If the present article is deleted, the draft would still exist.  While the discussion is occurring, you can continue to make changes to the article to improve it and prove it is worthwhile to exist as a Wikipedia article.  Significa liberdade ( talk ) 22:37, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : Unsourced, filled with BLP violations, as written it would be more work to fix than to start over, agree with TNT suggestion.  // Timothy :: talk 21:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] i would rather try to fix than to start over Libya345433 ( talk ) 22:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] and its perfect the way it is people can edit to make it better but its correct the way i did it wnd why put my other page (Islamic front in aleppo) as a draft that was perfect to i wish people would stop messing around with my stuff Libya345433 ( talk ) 22:07, 30 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Libya345433 : As others have noted here and on your talk page, these articles are not perfect.  The biggest issue right now is that this page, as well as your Islamic front in aleppo page, are completely unsourced.  Without sources, the pages run into multiple issues, most of which would mean the pages do not belong on Wikipedia.  For instance, without references, the information on the page cannot be verified as true, and the topic cannot be confirmed as notable (important).  If the page does not meet these two basic criteria, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia.  Further, please note that Wikipedia is not yours.  It belongs to people all over the world and is intended to be used as a free, valuable, and importantly, credible resource.  Again, without references, Wikipedia loses its value and credibility.  I hope you can understand this.  Moving/deleting your pages is not a personal attack on you.  We encourage you to continue editing your pages in the draft space, then submitting them for review before publishing them in the mainspace.  Significa liberdade ( talk ) 20:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment : Another very similar article from this author with the same issues here Islamic front in aleppo .  // Timothy :: talk 01:00, 31 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions .  Curbon7 ( talk ) 02:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete Is an absolute trainwreck.  Even if there was a shred of notability, it would have to be blown up .  JML1148 ( talk | contribs ) 10:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] This is my first one at least leave it be dont have it deleted please Libya345433 ( talk ) 04:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete