Eugene Petramale: Does not pass WP:GNG .  Unable to find any WP:SIGCOV during a WP:BEFORE check.  Let'srun ( talk ) 14:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople , Football , Softball ,  and Illinois .  Hey man im josh ( talk ) 14:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] There's SIGCOV already in the article: see here .  There should be more that exists, considering he was inducted into the 16-Inch Softball Hall of Fame, Illinois Soccer Hall of Fame, and played for the United States national team.  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 15:16, 7 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football 's list of association football-related deletions.  Giant Snowman 10:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - no evidence of notability.  If sources are found please ping me.  Giant Snowman 10:35, 8 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - In two hall of fames, played for US national team, both in pre internet era, clearly significant figure in Illinois sports, Article needs improvement not deletion.  Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk ) 15:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - Article comprehensively fails WP:GNG ; minor sports figure with no SIGCOV.  Jogurney ( talk ) 17:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] What about the 300+ word biography I linked above?  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 18:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The problem is the nature of the source.  This "hall of fame" appears to be a volunteer organization that maintains a park and issues the awards; that doesn't make it a reliable source for purposes of determining notability.  Ideally, a local news organization like the Chicago Tribune or Sun-Times would have covered this individual if he were notable (as they do for actually notable local Chicago sports figures).  Jogurney ( talk ) 17:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment - @ BeanieFan11 - Beanie, I found a quick mention here of him - https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/image/54204225/? terms=%22Petramale%22%20bobcats&match=1 KatoKungLee ( talk ) 21:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I had found a few brief mentions on Newspapers.com as well - I contacted the 16 Inch Softball Hall of Fame to see if they could find any more coverage.  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 22:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] BeanieFan11 - No joke, I was actually going to recommend trying that.  KatoKungLee ( talk ) 22:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  18:12, 14 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete No hits in the LOC newspaper database, that goes to about 1963 [7] .  Appears to be a purely local hero.  Not much in the sources above.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 19:58, 14 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] He appears to have attended a BBQ on July 4, 1961 at a friend's house [8] , nothing at all found for this fellow.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 02:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete