Jean Claude Saclag: Passing mentions and event results are not sufficient to meet WP:GNG .  Lekkha Moun ( talk ) 14:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople , Martial arts ,  and Philippines .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep According to WP:WPMA/N , I believe he meets criteria 3 & 4.  #3 because he is a former world champion (2014 Sanda World Cup Champion) and #4 because he has won multiple medals from tournaments such as the Asian Games and the Southeast Asian Games .  D-Flo27 ( talk ) 07:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The Asian Games, SEA Games and "Wushu Championships" do not constitute enough weight in martial arts to warrant a wiki page.  We have to rely on WP:GNG and subject needs to have significant coverage in independent and reliable media outlet.  Lekkha Moun ( talk ) 06:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Really?  The Asian Games and the SEA Games are the biggest tournaments in their regions.  There are other Asian martial artists who have claimed notability through these tournaments such as Agatha Wong , Sun Peiyuan , Naorem Roshibina Devi , and a lot more.  D-Flo27 ( talk ) 03:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] If you read on the top of WP:WPMA/N , it states that this is " an essay on notability".  It is not a formal Wikipedia policy or guidelines and in no way supersedes WP:BIO .  Therefore as of right now, their discipline "Wushu" do not have established notability guidelines.  I have not taken a look at the three other subjects you mentioned, but the only way for them to have a stand alone article is by meeting WP:GNG .  As for Jean Claude Saclag, routine coverage of events and lack of WP:SIGCOV , I don't see indication that we have the type of coverage required to meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO .  Best regards.  Lekkha Moun ( talk ) 07:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Desertarun ( talk ) 16:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak Delete He's definitely had some success, but I don't think enough to show he's WP notable.   Coverage basically consists of results reporting and coverage of him wanting to turn pro--all of which seems fairly typical.   His three SEA gold medals in kickboxing were apparently as an amateur and WP:NKICK specifically states "Kickboxers who have an amateur background exclusively are not notable unless the person has been the subject examined in detail (more than a single paragraph) in several reliable third-party sources (at least four), excluding local publications."  Saclag appears to fail that criteria.   The fact that others have articles with similar achievements falls under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS .   His bronze at the wushu world championships is good, but the Sanda World Cup is an invitational event for 8 fighters per division and carries less weight (at least to me).   I've held off voting because I was hoping other references might come to light, but right now I'm just not seeing him meet WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG .  Papaursa ( talk ) 02:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no!  01:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: no consensus