Sơn Tinh (liquor) : I believe this artice cannot be further improved without heavily truncating this article to a stub or maybe even shorter, and I've found little discussion or information about this company/product outside of store pages.  Reserve scav ( talk ) 08:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Food and drink , Companies ,  and Vietnam .  Shellwood ( talk ) 09:54, 4 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak keep with massive cleanup, or speedy delete per WP:G11 and WP:TNT .  The WP:NOTWINE essay has some guidance about notability of individual wines in the context of competitions, and this product seems to have participated in some notable ones, if sources can be found to verify what is claimed in the article.  If kept, the article needs to be pared down drastically and rewritten.  I wouldn't object to draftification for incubation or improvement.  ~ Anachronist ( talk ) 16:12, 4 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I've looked through the list of awards, and some of them does appear to actually hold up (the 2019 SWSC awards and SFWSC 2013 awards) but so far they are the only ones I've found with readily available records.  I'm in the process of looking for more but if I do then I'll close this proposal and work on a draft rewrite of the article.  Reserve scav ( talk ) 02:21, 5 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Hi there, Son Tinh is the first Vietnamese traditional liquor that has been internationally awarded.  The awards are by renowned tasting/competition industry organisations.  For Vietnamese standards this is exceptional and a first step to introduce Vietnamese liquor internationally.  Also, in a fast-changing, developing country like Vietnam the perseverance of a (liquor) brand over many years is a very rare/unique fact.  I am the owner of the brand and can confirm all information is accurate.  Markusmadeja ( talk ) 06:32, 5 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Thank you for your reply, and I understand your concern.  However, many of the awards referenced in your writing either does not lead to an award listing  or a list of winners for that competition, or is blocked behind a paywall (see Asian Spirits Master 2014 ).  In addition, I found some of the sections a bit irrelevant and hard to get its purpose in the article, such as the drinking style and category branding.  It may just be just a me thing, but as Anachronist said above, the article is in need of heavy rewriting, and I'd be glad to assist you in coming up with a new draft.  Reserve scav ( talk ) 16:49, 5 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to the Ruronep, the rice wine article.  Seems promotional otherwise.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 15:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete