Ciaphas Cain: Di (they-them) ( talk ) 05:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements , Science fiction and fantasy ,  and Literature .  Di (they-them) ( talk ) 05:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:FANCRUFT , the previous AfD in 2008 was closed by a non-admin as no consensus because of a WP:WP:SOURCESEXIST vote, after only one relist?  Not sure what happened there, but anyway.  JML1148 ( Talk | Contribs ) 07:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Alex Stewart (writer) .  Not disagreeing that the original deletion close was crap (pretty standard for the time actually), but Ciaphas Cain is a popular character in the 40k fandom and one of Stewart’s most famous creations and thus a logical search term.  Dronebogus ( talk ) 10:30, 16 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect per Dronebogus, although I border on weak keep as well.  Not only is Cain one of Stewart's most popular characters, it's also one of the few humorous series to emerge from the 40k setting.  Intothat darkness 14:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] It’s cool that it’s an official comedy series from 40k but that doesn’t make it notable Dronebogus ( talk ) 10:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] It does in the context of 40k, which has been noted in reviews of the series.  Intothat darkness 13:38, 17 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Can you find any reviews?  Dronebogus ( talk ) 16:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Here's one .  And another one .  And this has a link to two reviews.  That's just a quick Google search, and I don't know how many of those would necessarily be considered RS.  But they all remark on how Cain stands out from the normal 40k fare.  Intothat darkness 16:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels#Ciaphas Cain where he is mentioned.  Obvious search target, although does not seem to have reliable sources.  No objection to recreation if sources are found.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ ) 12:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Relisting to come to some agreement on redirect target which seems to be the consensus view.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  05:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to List of Warhammer 40,000 novels#Ciaphas Cain .  Fails GNG, this seems like a more plausible redirect target.  There is already a main article hatnote and the author is mentioned.  Schminnte ( talk • contribs ) 12:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete article doesn't have reliable sources, but a redirect is an easy compromise.  Shooterwalker ( talk ) Redirect to list of 40k novels.  Better that than to have it disappear entirely, since Cain is rather unique in the 40k setting as noted in the reviews I linked above.  Intothat darkness 13:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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