Sangmin: Totally unsourced, original research, before finds nothing.  Theroadislong ( talk ) 07:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions .  Theroadislong ( talk ) 07:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , notable sources in the Korean language.  [58] in Encyclopedia of Korean Culture , [59] [60] (Parts of e-books on a history website maintained by the Academy of Korean Studies ) , academic paper [61] .  I mentioned this in edit comment on the article, but we focus on notability first and foremost, and then look at article quality.  And I agree, the article isn't great.  This was an entire social class for centuries, and has been written about extensively in Korea.  Lmk if you'd like me to dig up more sources.  104.232.119.107 ( talk ) 08:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, ✗ plicit 13:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, CycloneYoris talk!  09:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Draftify – To receive the necessary improvements of the respective in Korean.  Svartner ( talk ) 05:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] For an article this old (>10 years), wouldn't draftifying reduce the likelihood further that an article would reappear in near future or be improved?  Who would be made responsible for improving the draft before it's fully deleted?  If it really comes down to delete or draftify, I can take a shot at redoing this article, but I'd prefer not to in near future.  In my previous account and on this ip I've rescued several dozen unsourced articles similar to this, but this article isn't tickling my nerdy niche interests atm.  104.232.119.107 ( talk ) 08:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Obviously notable.  it is laughable that we're trying to erase an entire class of people based on 'not enough sources displayed' anyone with spare time and knowledge on its hand, can find obvious traces and sources about it.  so politely i want to say- Sangmin class is an integral part of Korean history, which should not be erased based on the lack of immediately available sources.  —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 ( talk ) 17:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Sakura emad It is clearly not "obviously notable" when the article has zero sources.  You could add sources if you know of them or list them here and I will add them.  Theroadislong ( talk ) 18:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I found an English-language source if you're interested in incorporating it into the article.  Note that "yangin" is a synonym for "sangmin".  Both terms just refer to commoners.  The paper itself is also on a fascinating topic; I may read it myself later.  104.232.119.107 ( talk ) 21:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] We will need a source for yangin being a synonym for "sangmin" and perhaps the article name needs to be changed?  Theroadislong ( talk ) 06:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Ok after some more reading I think it's more complicated than synonym.  Argh an explanation is complicated enough that I may as well just fix up the article.  104.232.119.107 ( talk ) 07:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Done with quick rewrite.  Hopefully this is satisfactory to prevent deletion now.  104.232.119.107 ( talk ) 07:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: no consensus