Glaskönigin: Pepper Beast (talk) 18:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions .  Pepper Beast (talk) 18:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge to Zwiesel , probably either the economy or history section is the best place to accommodate the information without keeping a separate article.  - Indefensible ( talk ) 21:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  The Zwiesel area of Bavaria is internationally famous for its glass products and so the person chosen to represent the industry is definitely notable.  The article is already well referenced, but has been subjected to drive-by tagging; for example, the list of Glass Queens is clearly given at the site listed under "External links"; I have now corrected that and also added links from other articles.  So the article is valid; it just needs further expansion and improvement.  Bermicourt ( talk ) 08:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] P.S. It ought to be moved to Glass Queen or Zwiesel Glass Queen in line with e.g. German Wine Queen .  Bermicourt ( talk ) 09:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED .  Pepper Beast (talk) 11:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] That might apply to random glassworkers or even individual Glass Queens, but not to the role itself to which women are appointed in order to champion an internationally respected industry and a regionally important historical and cultural tradition.  Your proposal gave WP:NOREASON as to why the article "appeared" not to be notable.  I agree it did need improvement, but I've since dealt with the citation and orphan issues.  Bermicourt ( talk ) 12:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] It applies.  Either the role of Glass Queen is notable in its own right, or it isn't.  The assertion that the Zweisel glass industry is well-known therefore the Glass Queen role is notable isn't valid, as notability is not inherited.  The article appears not to be notable because the topic lacks WP:SIGCOV and I don't think it fulfils WP:GNG .  Pepper Beast (talk) 12:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I agree that the article should be notable in its own right and I'm not claiming "inherited notability".  However, there is clearly a linkage between a role and what the role represents: the post of the Chancellor of Germany is notable because it represents a country.  The post of mayor of Diddly Squat village is not notable because Diddly Squat has six inhabitants.  Meanwhile the topic has pages of coverage online – you just haven't searched for it – and that coverage is way more than "a trivial mention" (to cite the policy), so it easily passes SIGCOV and GNG.  Bermicourt ( talk ) 07:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, ArcAngel (talk) 21:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak keep based on the German Gnews sources, I can't comment on the quality, but it's too long to be BS and seems to exist.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 23:00, 4 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  23:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: no consensus