British Rail Class 51 : It should be a redirect to one sentence at List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes .  Trainsandotherthings ( talk ) 20:15, 21 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and United Kingdom .  Trainsandotherthings ( talk ) 20:15, 21 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep (first preference) or merge .  The existence of three independent sources on the article rather suggests that this is actually notable.  I don't have access to those sources, but I have no reason not to assume good faith about them, nor have I looked for additional sources.  The issue with merging is that there are multiple equally good targets List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes , British Rail Class 55 , English Electric diesel engines and possibly others, and any such merge is likely to result in the removal of sourced encyclopaedic information for no good reason.  Thryduulf ( talk ) 10:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Normally I would AGF, but this was authored by the community-banned Australian railroad IP, who is known for misrepresentation of sources and creating articles on non-notable subjects.  I don't have access to the sources myself, but I would imagine more than this could be said about the proposed locomotive class if it were independently notable.  Trainsandotherthings ( talk ) 13:32, 22 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I have two of the four (not three) sources, and have given my opinion of them at Talk:British Rail Class 51#Sources .  -- Red rose64 🌹 ( talk ) 10:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge The pertinent information could be merged to, say, British Rail , since this was a proposed locomotive class for BR.  TH1980 ( talk ) 23:37, 23 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] British Rail is a very poor merge target when List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes exists.  British Rail is far too general of a subject matter for this to be merged there, it would be out of scope.  Trainsandotherthings ( talk ) 23:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Daniel ( talk ) 04:05, 29 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect per nom.  XtraJovial ( talk • contribs ) 03:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Relisting as there are several different Merge/Redirect target articles suggested.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  02:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] merge selectively to Napier Deltic#Railway_use where the designs could be summarized as an unexecuted project.  It's the Deltic engine that really gives these any notability at all.  Mangoe ( talk ) 05:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I could also go with a redirect to List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes .  Mangoe ( talk ) 23:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Final relist.  Looking over the discussion it now looks like there are 4 different Redirect/Merge target articles being suggested.  If there is no agreement on the horizon this will likely close as No consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  05:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge with British Rail Class 50 : using the same chassis as the Class 50 and a modified body makes it a better merge target than the somewhat different Class 55, I believe.  (I know; sorry, Liz...)  Owen× ☎ 22:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge to List of British Rail unbuilt locomotive classes ; somewhat against merging to Class 50 as above; purely on the premise of lack of sourcing, apart from using chassis/body I see no reason to merge to there.  Its like merging HS4000 and Class 47 together.  Night fury 21:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: merge