Boudewijn de Geer: BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions ) 12:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople , Football ,  and Netherlands .  BlakeIsHereStudios ( talk | contributions ) 12:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football 's list of association football-related deletions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - once again (see also the AfD about his son ), this is a poor nomination where there has clearly been no attempt to search for sources.  A very quick Google search brings up so many sources, see 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 (I could go on and on).  Clearly a notable figure.  Giant Snowman 13:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] It feels a little disingenuous to claim notability is clearly established based on a number of references which primarily relate to his recent death, rather than asserting a notable playing career.  I suspect you would have been more challenged to find that quantity quickly prior to the last day or so.  That said, multiple posthumous coverage may point to someone who was notable, otherwise why would multiple outlets report it, although I'm not quite as comfortable searching historic non-English media to know this confidently.  Bungle ( talk • contribs ) 13:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] His recent death is making it hard to find other sources, but his death has been covered in seemingly every major Dutch newspaper, there were sources present before his death, and this is somebody who was a professional player in the Netherlands, Norway, Spain and Australia, who later also became a coach.  As I said - clearly notable, and this and the simultaneous AFD about his son (another notable sports figure) shows a lack of knowledge or effort from the nominator.  WP:BEFORE was obviously not followed.  Giant Snowman 13:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I'm not suggesting you're wrong about notability, I just felt you could have offered some context when declaring that "google search brings up so many sources", as there is a very obvious reason that's now the case.  But like I said before, usually multiple media outlets reporting the death of a sportsperson would indicate that person is notable.  In my opinion, you can't reasonably assert this as being clear or obvious, as you did, just from death news reports within 48hrs of said passing.  Bungle ( talk • contribs ) 15:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I've also found and added multiple pre-death sources.  As I said - the nominator patently did not attempt any form of search before rushing to AFD.  Giant Snowman 15:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  Unclear why this article was nominated.  Neither fails SPORTCRIT or the GNG.  The nomination does fail NEXIST and BEFORE.  gidonb ( talk ) 14:14, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  There are articles for every other minor, forgettable sports thick.  Why not this one?  Kelisi ( talk ) 14:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS .  This is not a reason to keep an article.  Giant Snowman 17:17, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep – Per @ GiantSnowman .  Svartner ( talk ) 16:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Withdraw : This nomination was meaningless.  The page does pass WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT and research proves his notability.  Duke of New Gwynedd ( talk | contrib. ) 17:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: speedy keep