Ko'asek (Co'wasuck) Traditional Band of the Sovereign Abenaki Nation : Most of the references aren't about this group, but about Abenaki history in New Hampshire and further afield, which could usefully be merged to Abenaki along with a paragraph on this group, but it's not yet notable enough for a separate article.  Wikishovel ( talk ) 08:24, 6 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and New Hampshire .  Wikishovel ( talk ) 08:24, 6 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Please help me improve the article.  Coverage by the states largest media and land acquisition indicate that this tribe has influence in tribal affairs in NH, the only state lacking any tribal recognition.  I am rusty with Wikipedia citations format from inactivity.  The only copyright issues were of the tribes own site with permission.  I think CC 1.0 is the correct classification for the flag, but please let me know if I am wrong.  I am seeking more independent articles.  Specific missing citations will be added next week.   Bottom line- indigenous people have continually had a presence in New Hampshire for millennia but ethnic and cultural genocide has taken its toll.  This small group claims and shows actions for a unifying connection role in New Hampshire and appears to add value.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksherin ( talk • contribs ) Hello, the copyright problem will be fixed by an admin shortly, so don't worry about that, and I'm sure it was just an honest mistake.  I make em all day long.  The problem is WP:Notability for this present day group.  I did have a dig before nominating this for deletion, and haven't been able to find enough significant coverage in secondary sources , but maybe some will be found.  So far the article only shows that indigenous people were there up until the colonial era.  Even if we could prove continuity, that on its own might not be sufficient: we need to show how this present day group is notable enough for a separate article.  Wikishovel ( talk ) 13:32, 6 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I believe this indigenous band is noteworthy for its historic presence, ties to the land, indigenous cultural preservation efforts in New Hampshire, actual land acquisition, intent to build a cultural center and quality genealogical efforts.   Abenaki bands in New England are criticized for poor quality evidence for tribal membership and inclusion.  See various NPR reports on the subject not cited in this article.  Finally New Hampshire offers no tribal recognition, hence this band is not eligible for state recognition.  The flag copyright issue appears resolved.  I acknowledge mis steps in working on this article and am learning.  Various references which appear to offer independent content are added.  These are my preliminary thoughts on why the article should be maintained and not deleted.  In conclusion, Native indigenous people, and descendants in New Hampshire have literally hidden or otherwise been deleted for far too long.  User: Ksherin October 07, 2023.  3:59 UTC @ Ksherin : , I asked at your user talk page, and you thanked me but didn't reply: what's your connection with the group?  Wikishovel ( talk ) 15:08, 7 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] {{Hello.  You asked about my connection to this article about the Traditional Cowasuck band of the Sovereign Abenaki Nation.  I am trying to help the recognition of indigenous groups in New Hampshire, a state that lacks formal indigenous recognition, after attending a pow wow of the Cowasuck traditional group in June, and I have indigenous roots myself.  I have applied for membership in several Abenaki groups including Missisquoi and this one, so I am familliar with some of the processes to a limited extent.  I also have begun to study the western Abenaki language with a group in NY state.  Ndakkina center.  .  I offered to write and help post this piece to Wikipedia as I have some experience with Wikipedia mostly related to history connected to my home town of Uxbridge, Massachusetts.  You can see my previous efforts.  I have the email contact info of the chief Paul Bunnell and he gave me permission to post the flag on Wikipedia commons for the article about the Cowasuck traditional band which I am trying to write.  The flag image is from the Koasekabenakination.com website itself.  KoasekAbenakiNationFlag.Jpg was then uploaded to Wikipedia commons several days ago by me and then added to the article about the traditional band.  Url= https://en.m. wikipedia.org/wiki/Ko%27asek_(Co%27wasuck)_Traditional_Band_of_the_Sovereign_Abenaki_Nation I emailed Paul Bunnell with the copyright creation request that followed.  He has asked me to respond about the flag content which was made in Rhode Island 8 years ago.  The Symbol is the official logo and flag of this group.  It keynotes roots in the New Hampshire woodlands, mountains, a canoe and 2 paddles, trees, a bird, fish, corn and the full name Koasek Cowasuck traditional band of the sovereign Abenaki nation.  Paul Bunnell sent you info about the designer, the copyright  and he did not request this article.  It is my own initiative.  If you need more info don’t hesitate to contact me.  }}.  User:Kherin UTC:6:40 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksherin ( talk • contribs ) As you have been editing on behalf of the group, both at the article and in the copyright discussion at your talk page, you have a conflict of interest on the subject, regardless of whether or not you're getting paid for it.  Please read WP:Conflict of interest to familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's policy and guidelines about this, thanks.  Wikishovel ( talk ) 19:12, 7 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Star Mississippi 13:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : This is all I can find [26] , [27] , simply a record of events they were involved in, nothing for sigcov.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 13:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete