Elias Huizar : Lettlre ( talk ) 19:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People , Crime , Police , Education ,  and Washington .  Lettlre ( talk ) 19:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy Delete/Convert - I feel like the shooter himself doesn't meet notability guidelines, but the event does, I feel like the article should be converted into something similar to 2014 Isla Vista killings , where the event itself is published, but not focused on the perp.  Gonzafer001 ( talk ) 21:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] That's plausible Red Slash 16:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I concur, we should move the page to focus less on the perp, and more on the actual story.  Gonzafer001 ( talk ) 03:21, 26 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy delete - WP:NOTNEWS , WP:BLP .  Suspected murderer on the run, not yet captured by authorities.   Also,  the image of the suspect is not licensed for our use.  — Maile ( talk ) 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy delete G10/A7.  Mccapra ( talk ) 20:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Not a speedy .  The copyrighted image can be removed.  This article is not "entirely negative in tone and unsourced." (emphasis mine).  It may be entirely inappropriate for Wikipedia, but CNN has covered it, so it's unreasonable to argue it's A7.  Jclemens ( talk ) 22:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I've removed the speedy tag and added a link to the CNN coverage.  That doesn't mean I think this should be kept: it means I don't think any of our speedy deletion criteria apply.  Jclemens ( talk ) 03:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete/speedy delete per WP:NOTNEWS LegalSmeagolian ( talk ) 00:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy keep - this neither is WP:OR (did you... read the references??), nor does it fail the WP:GNG based on the substantial news coverage.  Red Slash 01:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The main source is a self-described zine that basically makes a bunch of allegations on a non-convicted individual.  That's what I mean by OR.  Lettlre ( talk ) 17:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] This is not the only source--it's been covered by national news and extensively covered by local news.  Even so, that "zine" article is extensively sourced with interviews from people directly involved, like Elias's former boss at the police department.  Red Slash 17:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete To the above user, this article and its tone is wholly inappropriate for Wikipedia ( WP:BLPBALANCE ) and inappropriately POV, incredibly violating WP:PERP ; as the subject has been caught there's no use for the article as-is currently.  The picture has been removed due to a poor licensing rationale and as the image involves children in no way involved with the subject or the story, and a BLPBALANCE-violating title in itself.  Nate • ( chatter ) 02:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy delete as a WP:BLP violation.  The article is almost completely unsourced contentious claims about a living person.  Jfire ( talk ) 02:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The BLP issues have been resolved, but this still fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRIME .  Coverage is unlikely to be WP:SUSTAINED .  Jfire ( talk ) 04:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] It is completely sourced.  Red Slash 16:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment This is all over the news in the Northwest.  He was tracked down and committed suicide.   It's being presented on the news as factual including interviews with people he worked with.  He isn't a living person but a recently deceased person so I realize BLP still applies.  The name of the minor victim has not been included here or mentioned in the news but they spoke with her family.  L iz Read!  Talk!  03:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Rename to 2024 Yakima murder and child abduction case , or something similar.  They issued an Amber Alert about this case in the middle of the night, and it has certainly been heavily covered, but I agree that naming the article after Huizar doesn't entirely make sense since nothing about him is notable except for his crimes.  See WP:BLP1E (although he is dead it is still relevant).  LonelyBoy2012 ( talk ) 07:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The fact that you named the wrong city speaks to the fact that he actually was notable for multiple crimes across Eastern Washington.  His rape of a 13-year-old at his middle school took place in Yakima; his double murder happened in West Richland, an hour southeast.  Because of this, it feels awkward to me to name an article about several different, interconnected crimes, afte just one of them... the one thing they all have in common is Elias.  Red Slash 16:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete