Isabel Hodgson: - UtherSRG (talk) 13:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People , Women , Football ,  and Australia .  UtherSRG (talk) 13:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football 's list of association football-related deletions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Question What is the reason the article was restored?  That could give a good start for this discussion.  Pinging @ Primefac : who refunded the article.  -- SuperJew ( talk ) 17:13, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Because someone asked ? Primefac ( talk ) 17:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Thanks Primefac ! Yes, I assumed it was a request by someone, but wasn't sure who or how to find it (previous cases I've seen have linked the request in the refund edit summary). I thought that there needs to be a stronger reason to undelete an article, but if I understand correctly, that would be only for an article which had gone through AfD and would then need a full undeletion review. -- SuperJew ( talk ) 19:07, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Correct, which is why I mentioned the PROD, as that allows just a simple request for restoration.  - UtherSRG (talk) 19:13, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - no evidence of notability.  If sources are found please ping me.  Giant Snowman 18:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per sources below which show notability.  Giant Snowman 19:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Captains a club for which she has made almost 100 apperances in Australia's (11th place world ranking) professional highest level league.  Has also played 78 games in US (3rd place world ranking) college system (the most notable college system in the world).  Also this and this are great sources discussing her and her career at length which satisfy WP:SIGCOV .  -- SuperJew ( talk ) 19:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] First source possibly not independent, second source is good - anything else?  I noticed the number of apps and so I'm looking for reasons to keep tbh...  Giant Snowman 19:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Why do you reckon FIFPRO isn't independent?  It's a worldwide representative organisation for professional footballers.  -- SuperJew ( talk ) 19:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Why isn't a representative body independent? Perhaps because they are representative? TarnishedPath talk 04:52, 27 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Not of her directly, but of the PFA . -- SuperJew ( talk ) 16:58, 28 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] To me it's no different to an article by FIFA/her team etc.  Giant Snowman 19:12, 30 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment : this source makes a few passing mentions.  ––– GMH Melbourne ( talk ) 07:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : Fails GNG.  FIFPRO isn't independent of it's members.  The article contains zero independent coverage and is just a lengthy quote from her.  Beyond90 contains 3 lines specifically on Hodgson.  Dougal18 ( talk ) 12:59, 27 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I agree with this comment.  This Adelaide Now article contains a few sentences about her so that, with the Beyond90 article, seem to be the best sources that anyone has found thus far.  I feel that it's one good source away from GNG.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:56, 29 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment - is anyone able to access this Adelaide Now source?  Does it contain SIGCOV?  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:57, 27 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] You can read it on WebArchive -- SuperJew ( talk ) 16:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak keep - although I am concerned with the fact that Hodgson herself seems to be the person that has requested this article be restored , there is just enough to pass GNG, in my view.  Beyond90 has a few sentences as does the Adelaide Now article linked above.  Impetus Football also has a few articles on her.  From the one I've linked just now, we have some non-routine bits of coverage on her such as Hodgson is a popular player amongst the Adelaide faithful.  She is a skilful and tenacious fullback who is also capable of driving upfield and setting up goals.  In the last match of the 2020/21 season she was thrust into an attacking role as The Reds needed to increase their goal difference.  She responded with a sensational goal in front of a record crowd.  There are quite a few more sentences written about her as well so I would say this just about scrapes GNG.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - @ GiantSnowman : , See Spiderone's analysis below.  Per SuperJew and Spiderone.  Player with ongoing pro career.  Article needs imporvemen,t not deletion.  Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk ) 07:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : BLP, fails GNG and NBIO.  Single source in article is a player profile.  This [2] and this [3] from above are interviews and fails WP:IS, not even close to sourced properly for a standard article and this is a BLP.  BEFORE found database entries and mentions in game recaps, nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth from WP:IS WP:RS.  // Timothy :: talk 20:36, 31 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Hey man im josh ( talk ) 14:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep There's some decent sources mentioned above.  Nfitz ( talk ) 23:49, 5 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, CycloneYoris talk!  19:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak Keep per Spiderone.  TarnishedPath talk 02:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per WP:BASIC which allows us to stitch together parts of different articles, even where Hodgson is not necessarily the main focus.  She may not have been notable in the Wikipedia sense when this article was first created, but easily satisfies the basic criteria for notability now.  Her main problem is that she gives so many interviews and is quoted a lot...so we need to look for objective coverage / analysis / facts outside of any direct quotes.  But the good news is that more than enough secondary sources have now been added to the article which has been expanded significantly (per WP:HEY ).  Some of the best secondary sources include "A fine 50 for United captain" , a feature article about Hodgson's achievement of 50 matches in The Advertiser in Adelaide, which has covered her very regularly over the years (helping her to satisfy the WP:SUSTAINED requirement), in addition to the Beyond90 and Impetus articles mentioned above, plus all the other pieces which discuss her as a person which are now cited in the article.  Cielquiparle ( talk ) 11:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep