Gavin Koppel: Marked for notability for 12 years, and none of the sources used in the article seem reliable or uniquely refer to Incubus.  Broc ( talk ) 07:18, 15 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions .  Broc ( talk ) 07:18, 15 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and United States of America .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 11:45, 15 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Dead links have been deleted from the page.   New, active links have now been added, page has been cleaned up, and new information regarding this living, active artist, are contuing to be added to the page with proper sources cited LyonCruz ( talk ) 05:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Gavin Koppel is extremely significant in the development of the band Incubus.   He is an original member of the band who is the predecessor of DJ Kilmore.   This wikipedia page has served as an important talking point and information page regarding his legacy.   He is still active as an artist and musician.  He is still a royalty recipient of Sony for his works with Incubus.   Deletion of this page will serve no purpose other than vandalizing this wikipedia page.   It seems that this editor Broc is simply angry because he cannot control what is written regarding this artist, and possibly Broc is a current band member of Incubus who wants to delete the page for personal reasons.   The idea of deleting this page has come suddenly after some unfounded lies about Gavin were recently deleted from this page.   No other editor has ever attempted to delete the page and it seems to be requested out of spite.  24.205.63.99 ( talk ) 03:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .  Koppel did not attract any media interest except with regard to the band Incubus.  The legal stuff that was reported was still about the band, not describing Koppel's life or career.  The media praised his DJ skills early on, but after he was fired they only describe his threats and being slapped with a restraining order.  [22] [23] Not once has the media decided he was worthy of a short biographical piece.  Binksternet ( talk ) 05:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] "media interest" is not the sole, nor a determining guideline to a biography of a living artist on Wikipedia.   Through the trials and tribulations, including the media blitz on TMZ, and the numerous print magazines throughout the early 2000s (as DJ 1987), party flyers concert listings... filmmaking career, and current status on social media as Mr. 1987.. .  Koppel is most definitely a "remarkable" artist and personality.  The recent kickstarter campaign, rerelease of his vinyl record, mixtape, and merchandise definitely overqualified as "media interest" .   The fact that he still sells his own music and art, as well as collecting significant royalty checks from Incubus, underlines the importance of this page.  He is also a father and a successful business owner.  He has recently created a successful new brand "Cruiseline" and his son is and AYSO champ, attending a gifted magnet school in Los Angeles Unified School District.  LyonCruz ( talk ) 08:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I would again like to point out the fact that you have made no attempt to delete this page until 3 days ago when defamatory remarks about Koppel were removed.   You are clearly doing this out of a dislike for Koppel and making an attempt to "Cancel" Koppel and demean his legacy.  LyonCruz ( talk ) 08:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Chris Kilmore and Alex Katunich also have pages connected to the Incubus page.   They also have no notoriety outside of Incubus.   Are you interested in deleting their pages?  or are you obsessed with Koppel for personal reasons?  LyonCruz ( talk ) 19:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Playing the victim doesn't work with me.  Alex's biography has several sources discussing his life and career.  Chris Kilmore does not have that stuff, so his biography would likely be deleted just like this one.  Feel free to nominate it for deletion.  Binksternet ( talk ) 20:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Nobody is playing anything.  I'm addressing the fact that you seem to have a personal dislike of Koppel.   You've made no attempt to delete other similar pages of Incubus members past or present.   Kilmore, Koppel, and Katunich are all relevant and worthy of the Wikipedia articles which were created for them, but those articles all contain outdated sources which can be nitpicked for notoriety and value.   We are addressing the issue and you seem to be jumping on a bandwagon of anti Koppel sentiments.   You twice reverted improperly cited sources of defamatory and assumptive remarks regarding Koppel on the incubus band page.  You knew that the cited source was a tabloid containing information inconsistent with the opinionated statements made.  That is a clear violation of the guidelines and it's the exact same thing Broc has done.   Seems as though that's why you are now "jumping on the bandwagon" to delete a page for personal reasons.   Broc nominated the page stating "DJ does not seem independently notable from his original band Incubus . ... none of the sources used in the article seem reliable or uniquely refer to Incubus".  Once those issues were addressed and corrected, you and Broc are still persisting.  Now you're adding your opinion that the media isn't interested in Koppel, even though cited sources show his recent music releases are independently selling to the Incubus fanbase.  It seems as though your and Broc's concerns regarding the quality of the page are disingenuous.  LyonCruz ( talk ) 04:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I won't be nominating anything for deletion.   It's counter productive and serves as vandalism.  I'm here to add and build articles, not "cancel" and delete them.  I periodically visit those pages myself, as those people are some of my favorite musicians.  LyonCruz ( talk ) 05:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Please see this independently sourced news article regarding Koppel's recent release with many other well known recording artists in the Nu Metal genre.   It's all been updated on Koppel's page.   Thank you and I hope this helps https://nzmusic.org.nz/news/artist/ill-nino-one-minute-silence-and-incubus-members-co/ LyonCruz ( talk ) 20:53, 21 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] From the recent news article dated January 11, 2024.  This regards Koppel as DJ Lyfe.  This independently sourced news page reads: "DJ Lyfe was one of, if not the first DJ to join a rock band as a full-time contributing member in 1995. He was fundamental in shaping the cross-pollination of hip-hop with metal. DJ Lyfe scratches unused samples on Over This that he created for Incubus’ sophomore and critically acclaimed album S.C.I.E.N.C.E."  LyonCruz ( talk ) 21:36, 21 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Incubus (band)#Band members as a plausible search term.  I was unable to find any reliable independent coverage that directly discusses Koppel in-depth as an individual musician.  Left guide ( talk ) 09:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Incubus (band)#Band members .  Per Left guide's reasoning.  Best, GPL93 ( talk ) 18:43, 21 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect as described above.  The sources available, including NZ and PRP, are insufficient in their depth to form the basis of a biography.  VQuakr ( talk ) 21:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect as above.  There is news like this about his alleged death threat to his replacement but that can be covered in the band article.  duffbeerforme ( talk ) 00:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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