List of dirt track ovals in the United States: Each fails NLIST , NOTCATALOG / NOTDIRECTORY .  The lists are almost entirely comprised of non-cited entries, some have external links to their own website.  Few entries are even bluelinks.  The only sources are a few non- independent online directories ( [30] [31] [32] ) from which these lists were compiled ( WP:NOTMIRROR ).  Grorp ( talk ) 04:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions .  Grorp ( talk ) 04:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY -- TheInsatiableOne ( talk ) 11:12, 12 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Motorsport , South Africa , United Kingdom , Australia , Canada ,  and United States of America .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] How exactly does this fail LISTN and NOTDIRECTORY?  It seems like a valid way to display information about tracks which are not notable enough for their own article, even if the article can be cleaned up.  SportingFlyer T · C 13:23, 12 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep perfectly valid lists under our notability guideline.  Deletion is not cleanup.  SportingFlyer T · C 11:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Strong keep - Most of the nominator's concerns can be fixed by actually working on the article.  AfD is not cleanup .  The Speedways Online source mentioned by nominator appears to be both independent and has a journalistic structure.  I was also able to find an article from Motor Trend which satisfies LISTN.  [33] .  ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 15:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete most .  With the exception List of dirt track ovals in the United States per WP:NOTDIRECTORY .  Keep the United States article but truncate it to the list of notable ones (with articles).  Or consider renaming it to List of dirt track ovals and including notable ones from other countries.  Ajf773 ( talk ) 20:31, 12 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Why would be treat the United States differently considering the content is similar across these pages?  These are all valid lists of non-bluelinked tracks per LISTN, no one has accurately stated why NOTDIRECTORY implies instead considering contextual information exists for all these tracks.  SportingFlyer T · C 20:49, 12 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The United States list has a section of notable entries that fit the definition of a Dirt Track Oval, I've scrolled through the lists and for most cannot conclude they fit the definition of a dirt track oval.  The large amount of unsourced material as well as the use of external links supports the claim of NOTDIRECTORY.  Since there are probably at least 10-20 that are indeed notable, there is no harm including only those in a one-off article.  Ajf773 ( talk ) 08:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Ajf773, I was drafting my long reply (below) when your above comment came in.  I would suggest putting a short list of any real dirt track ovals with bluelinks into its main article, for example into Dirt track racing in the United States rather than creating a List of dirt track ovals (for the whole world).  However, each entry in a list still needs a citation (which might be hard to get, or even lead to yet more articles being AfD'd because they don't have any citations.) Grorp ( talk ) 08:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] That's a cleanup issue, though, not a notability issue.  SportingFlyer T · C 11:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep all per Ghost of Daniel Gurney.  The articles presented by this user appear to pass NLIST as the topics listed receive coverage as a group.  Carson Wentz ( talk ) 01:53, 17 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment (from nominator): These lists are purely directories — a compiled mirror site of other online directories.  None of the commenters above have explained how the subject has been "discussed as a group" in any way that isn't merely a directory itself .

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