Joshua Kelley (sailor): Despite a flurry of media coverage in May 2023, I have concerns on the notability of this individual.  Cssiitcic ( talk ) 07:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Military .  Cssiitcic ( talk ) 07:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge .  Kelley can be mentioned in the US Navy article, or possibly in an article about non-binary members of the military.  I don't' think they need their own article.  Cortador ( talk ) 09:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge.  Perhaps this article on gender identity in the US military might be a good fit.  However, if this article were expanded upon to discuss Kelley's drag queen performances, and the ensuing controversy and coverage, it could possibly meet notability guidelines.  Jdweikler ( talk ) 09:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep (as article creator).  Media coverage throughout at least May through August 2023 is already established by article sources.  Notability is not contingent on the current status of the article, so if this article were expanded …, it could possibly meet notability guidelines is a non sequitur.  Meets NBIO based on sustained, personal media note, and expansion is not a valid deletion or keep criterion nor contingency.  Additional sources, not currently included in the article, embrace two articles in Stripes [77] [78] ; one in The Independent [79] ; one in NewsNation [80] ; one in Newsweek [81] ; and several by the New York Daily News [82] , The New York Post [83] , the Washington Examiner [84] , and by conservative opinion outlets [85] [86] .  I would not use the latter for the article, but they do help to establish notability.  BTW these are all on the first two pages of a widely used search engine on the terms "Joshua Kelly sailor" so I wonder if WP:BEFORE has been attempted.  ☆ Bri ( talk ) 15:56, 16 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk ) 02:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  Reliable sources ( The Independent , Stars and Stripes , Military Times , Daily News ) in this discussion and in the article indicate WP:BASIC , WP:SUSTAINED coverage May though September of this year.  Note that I am not considering WP:IBTIMES , WP:NYPOST , Washington Examiner or Newsweek as RS.  Alternatively, a merge to Sexual orientation and gender identity in the United States military could be a better option.  — siro χ o 04:34, 21 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep ; the extant sources plus User:Bri's sources here meet the threshold for WP:N .   — Fourthords | =Λ= | 12:07, 21 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I'd also like to share: the article's fully-sourced prose has now been expanded 16.6 times since the deletion nomination, the number of sources has doubled (and spans 4.68 years), and there are a further four reliable sources on the talk page (in a {{ refideas }} I've yet to mine & incorporate into the article.   — Fourthords | =Λ= | 02:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep