Jackie Senyonjo : Vanderwaalforces ( talk ) 21:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People , Bands and musicians ,  and Uganda .  Vanderwaalforces ( talk ) 21:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:34, 24 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment: I'm not ready to vote Keep yet but I want to question why this Ugandan singer's article has been nominated for deletion.  I looked at the refs and there were two dead links but the others worked and they all backed up the list of three music awards.  The nominator said they were unreliable sources.  Why are they unreliable?  Is it because they were Ugandan magazines, Ugandan Christian music magazines?  Please point me to where they are blacklisted as reliable sources.  Secondly, I wonder about western editors claiming non-notability for an African musician.  Maybe we sometimes just don't have enough knowledge of a country's history or pop culture?  LPascal ( talk ) 10:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Hi there, you probably didn't check well.  I am, as a matter of fact, a Nigerian based in Nigeria, a country in Africa, particularly West Africa.  I did not want to do a source assessment as it'd be a waste of time, I think it is now necessary so that you could grasp how unreliable these sources are, IMO.  Find it collapsed below; Source assessment table: Source Independent?  Reliable?  Significant coverage?  Count source toward GNG ?  https://observer.ug/component/content/article? id=22565:-ssenyonjo-owes-her-success-to-god ( Archive ) ~ Very interview-ish, suspicious 404 ~ This is 404 already which tells the whole story ~ Partial https://www.newvision.co.ug/articledetails/undefined 404 error 404 error 404 error ✘ No https://www.musicinafrica.net/directory/jackie-ssenyonjo "Music In Africa provides a platform for musicians and contributors to embed music and videos solely for promotional purposes." "Music In Africa provides a platform for musicians and contributors to embed music and videos solely for promotional purposes." ✘ No https://www.monitor.co.ug/uganda/business/auto/my-wheels-jackie-senyonjo-choir-leader-1535934 Interview piece Interview piece, I wonder why the prestigious Monitor will publish this ✘ No https://ugamusic.ug/artists/jackie-senyonjo Blogs like this are promotional and unreliable Single line isn't SIGCOV ✘ No https://www.thegmp.biz/jackie-senyonjo Promotional puff Site's about says it all "GMP (Gospel Music Promoter) is a Gospel Music promotion platform..." https://www.thegmp.biz/jackie-senyonjo/biography ✘ No https://www.howwe.ug/JackieSenyonjo/music Ditto unreliable blog Dittor There's literally nothing of use here ✘ No https://www.observer.ug/lifestyle/entertainment/21982-gospel-awards-to-fill-pam-awards-void Another suspicious and alarming 404 error Ditto Ditto ✘ No https://uggospellife.wordpress.com/2016/07/11/hit-awards-2016-the-unexpected-happened-winners-walked-away-with-accolades-full-list/ Free webhost, that is also non-notable award ✘ No https://www.ugchristiannews.com/full-list-of-the-hit-awards-2016-winners/ No byline ✘ No https://www.ugandanbuzz.com/kansanga-pastor-weds-another-mans-wife/ Another unreliable blog ~ ✘ No This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor.  Created using {{ source assess table }} .  -- Vanderwaalforces ( talk ) 11:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] No comment on anything else, but offline sources ( i.e. dead links/404 errors) are perfectly acceptable if they meet the other criteria.  Phil Bridger ( talk ) 11:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Well, these ones still obviously do not meet.  Vanderwaalforces ( talk ) 17:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Hi as the editor who wrote this article, I can attest that she is notable! .  The Observer, The Daily Monitor and New Vision are notional media publication companies and they are independent and reliable sources!  Micheal Kaluba ( talk ) 12:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per WP:NBAND , WP:NOTWEBHOST , and WP:SIGCOV .  Saying over and over again that someone is notable doesn't make it so; in 2006 a new editor could make this argument without evidence , but in 2024, everybody in the whole world knows we are not a free web host or social media website like MySpace for musicians.  The forgoing analysis by fellow Africans leads me to believe that there is in fact no significant coverage in reliable sources.  Blogs are not reliable sources .  This consensus has developed over the past 18 years to limit articles to notable musicians.  Bearian ( talk ) 19:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, ✗ plicit 23:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete Typical celebrity articles and many religious ones about how God has helped this person or their followers, are what I can find.  I tend to agree with the source table, Source 1 is likely the best one, but it's not enough to keep the article.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 00:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete