Carlos Pesina: Natg 19 ( talk ) 22:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People , Video games , Martial arts ,  and United States of America .  Natg 19 ( talk ) 22:45, 6 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete My search didn't turn up the significant independent coverage in reliable sources that are required by WP:GNG .   I also don't believe he is notable as a martial artist or actor.  Papaursa ( talk ) 23:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep I find sources which discuss the person.  1 and 2 and 3 .  There may be enough for WP:BASIC .  Lightburst ( talk ) 14:35, 13 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I have some concerns about these sources.   The Encyclopedia of Bohemian and Czech Americans is from a publish your own book company (authorhouse.com) so I'm not sure that it qualifies as a reliable source.   I admittedly have no idea if superjumpmagazine.com is a reliable source for WP.   The SMH mentions Pesina as one of the lead developers of Mortal Combat, so that may be a valid source, though he's mentioned only in one paragraph of the article.   There may be a case for WP notability, but I'm not yet convinced.   I am however, open to being convinced.  Papaursa ( talk ) 23:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  Passes WP:SIGCOV per Lightburst.  I note that the first ref given above is an entry in a specialist encyclopedia which on its own indicates notability.  Per WP:5P1 , we should include all content found in specialized encyclopedias.  4meter4 ( talk ) 15:27, 13 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] WP:5P1 does not say that appearing in a specialist encyclopedia grants WP notability.   It says "Wikipedia combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers" which is not the same as saying those automatically indicate notability or that all content from those sources must be included in WP.  Papaursa ( talk ) 23:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 01:59, 14 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per Lightburst Questions?  four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:01, 14 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete Fails WP:BASIC .  Only the Sydney Herald is a reliable source and I wouldn't count that as significant coverage, he is mentioned in passing.  Like previously said AuthorHouse is a self-publishing company, not an acceptable source per WP:RSSELF .  Super Jump Magazine is another self-published source, and is another passing mention of the person.  -- Mika1h ( talk ) 08:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Mika1h : How about a newspaper article? Statesman Journal . Or an article ? Or another article ? Or the Phoenix News Times interview with his brother discussing Carlos. Taken together don't all of these sources add up to Basic? Lightburst ( talk ) 01:23, 17 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] So that's 3 passing mentions in reliable sources (Sydney, Statesman, Phoenix), not enough to pass in my book. -- Mika1h ( talk ) 16:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Not to mention that interviews, especially with his brother, do not generally count as significant independent coverage.  Papaursa ( talk ) 11:57, 18 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, CycloneYoris talk!  08:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: no consensus