XIX International Chopin Piano Competition: This is still about a year and a half away, so we obviously don't know who the prize winners or even the competitors are -- literally the only thing we can say about it at this point is basic competiton rules sourced to the competition's own self-published website about itself, which is not a notability-building source.  Obviously no prejudice against recreation next year if and when there's actually reliably sourceable stuff to say about it, but we don't already need a boilerplate placeholder article to exist now .  Bearcat ( talk ) 15:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Poland .  Bearcat ( talk ) 15:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 16:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : I have now added numerous sources and expanded the article.  The competition will begin on 23 April 2025, which is less than a year.  The Chopin Competition is the most important musical event in Poland and one of the most significant events in classical music.  Creating an article at this point, also considering that the rules have changed considerably for this edition, which is surely of interest to the reader, seems to be justified.  As more verified information becomes available closer to the event date, the article can be further expanded.  I believe having a well-sourced preliminary article now is preferable to waiting until the last minute.  intforce ( talk ) 20:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The time for an article about an event is not "a year out", it's "when there's substantive things to say about it beyond just 'this is a thing that will happen'".  Bearcat ( talk ) 20:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment .  Meh.  This is crystallbalish but useful, and there are already some sources about the upcoming program.  Yes, technically we might be justfied with dratifying this for a while, but seriously, this is make-work that is pointless.  We know this event will be notable.  Why waste time moving it out from mainspace and back?  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 12:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge and redirect to International Chopin Piano Competition .  Doesn't need a seperate article, IMO. — Iadmc ♫ talk 12:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Further comment anything could happen to stop the competition from taking place!  WP:NOTCRYSTAL .  I do note that the other events have their own articles but they are full of information after the fact.  Draftify is another option — Iadmc ♫ talk 12:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] anything could happen to stop the competition from taking place is not what WP:NOTCRYSTAL implies.  The competition is just as likely to take place as the next Olympics or the next World Cup, all of which are events which fulfil WP:NOTCRYSTAL criteria: the event is notable, almost certain to take place, and preparations are in progress.  intforce ( talk ) 12:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The competition is certainly notable.  Previous competitions have been won by very notable performers.  The fact that is going to take place all else being equal and is in preparation is not in doubt.  My worry is that this is just a place holder for the event to come which is notable only for being the 100th anniversary.  I still vote merge and create the article when the Competition is over — Iadmc ♫ talk 12:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak keep – looks like 3/4 reliable independent sources exist discussing it.  Sources will only ramp up in the future.  Seems useful to have a solid starting ground for a quick-moving event like this.  Aza24 (talk) 18:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  00:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: no consensus