PianobyG: ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 15:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Oklahoma .  ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 15:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] So if an artist is associated with Columbia, AWAL/Orchard, has a significant presence online in terms of LA Weekly, Lyrical Lemonade, and Genius (which I checked and multiple contributors added to those pages on genius), there is no clear way to tell if LA Weekly was paid for, that is just “hearsay” at this point.  I believe if an artist is associated with those labels(Columbia, AWAL) they are a notable musician.  A publishing deal with a major label is a big deal.  I also believe that him being verified on YouTube and having millions of streams and charting in 40 plus countries on 4 platforms is a big deal.  I believe PianobyG is noteworthy and deserves to have a page Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] PianobyG has much more of a presence from notable sources and the labels versus someone like DaisyxDaisy Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 16:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 16:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] We'll review them for possible deletion as well, thank you for pointing them out.  Feel free to nominate any articles you feel aren't up to notability standards as well.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 14:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete declined at WP:AFC repeatedly moved to main space without improvement, fails WP:GNG , WP:NBIO and WP:NMUSICIAN .  Theroadislong ( talk ) 15:09, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] There is no football article mentioned.  Lyrical Lemonade and La Weekly are not irrelevant seeing as how they have pages here on this domain.  Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I think User:Eejit43 probably meant baseball signings.  Theroadislong ( talk ) 15:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I did mean baseball, yes.  Thanks!  ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 15:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Okay, thank you for clarification.  They are independent news sites that add to the story of PianobyG.  He was an athlete before music.  Strong sources, Lyrical Lemonade, strong source.  LA Weekly, strong source.  Releasing through Columbia, AWAL, and Orchard?  Strong argument for notable musician.  Also, Orchard distributes for AWAL so by releasing through AWAL, he is releasing through Orchard.  Just to clear any confusion Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] PianobyG (Jase Mann) also headlined The Oklahoman https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2019/05/11/atoka-marlow-to-meet-in-state-championship/60456439007/ as an athlete.  He shows musical and athletic notoriety and while I agree neither of which could stand on their own, combined together, he for sure deserves to have his place on Wikipedia .  Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 16:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] So AWAL isn’t notable?  As well as Columbia Records?  I don’t see how those are not notable.  As well as him being in multiple high public blogs.  Blogs that have wiki pages.  Delete .  Having a Wikipedia page doesn't make something a reliable source, e.g. Wikipedia has a Wikipedia page.  Things like the Genius pages or the paid-for LA Weekly page (basically a press release) are not reliable sources.  Fram ( talk ) 15:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Lyrical Lemonade is still a reliable source.  How can anyone tell if La Weekly was paid for?  As well as him releasing through The Orchard, I can post the YouTube autogenerated video that states “Distributed by The Orchard Enterprises” As well as him getting media coverage from sports, independent news sites.  I believe if an artist releases with Columbia Records and AWAL, they are notable.  Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] No sign of him here https://www.sonymusic.co.uk/roster/ ?  Theroadislong ( talk ) 15:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Again, that is Sony music.  Columbia is a subsidiary of Sony.  The song is being distributed by Orchard, which is Sony.  Just because an artist releases with a label does not entail they are signed on a roster.  Hence, publishing deals!  Another Love (Piano) - Single by PianobyG https://music.apple.com/us/album/another-love-piano-single/1732680838 Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Label rosters are only for signed artists, a publishing deal does not include this, hence why he is not mentioned there.  If you would like, you can wait until his song comes out at 11PM/EST and see that it is distributed by The Orchard which is Sony Musics main distributor as well as being put out under publishing rights with Columbia.  Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] https://jaxsta.com/release/547f9441-c283-5504-8ddd-803a763bf503/f710e9f1-ca5e-591a-9e87-8a19fece6265/overview Proof of The Orchard distribution: make a free account and view the distributor for his song “golden hour” Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 17:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Nothing here https://www.columbiarecords.com either?  Delete : Nothing in RS found, the La Weekly and Genius sources are marked orange/yellow per Cite Highlighter, so of dubious notability.  If we had at least one RS about this person, it might be a weak keep.  Not notable otherwise and PROMO.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 15:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Check Lyrical Lemonade Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] That's also an iffy source for reliability.  We still need more Oaktree b ( talk ) 14:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] As well as the artist being associated with Columbia, AWAL, and The Orchard Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete Probably the best source is lyricallemonade.com .  Others look like press releases and LA Weekly is advertorial.  Maxcreator ( talk ) 21:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] You have no way of knowing if it’s press release.  Also, as I have stated the individual is associated with Sony musics AWAL,  Orchard and Columbia Records.  I believe this entails as notable.  As well as the 4 news articles he has as an athlete before he started making music Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 21:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] To be clear being "associated with Sony musics AWAL,  Orchard and Columbia Records." confers zero notability.  Theroadislong ( talk ) 21:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Individual passes WP:BAND .  As he shows multiple reliable sources, that are not advertisement, are not reprinted, and speak about the individual in more than a blurb.  This goes for his baseball, military, and musical career.  As well as releasing through very notable music labels and distributors.  Very confused on how you or anyone can even deem most of those sources as paid advertisement when all you’re doing is guessing.  I feel as if nobody wants to see these points I am bringing up.  Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 22:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Being in the army and playing college baseball aren't notable.  The rest is as explained above.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 14:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] True, but when you say there are no RS about him, when there are multiple news articles, one is from The Oklahoman, and then the musical articles and his song just came out and was published by Columbia.  I think you need to do more research or at least learn about the music industry :/ Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Then you should do more research into them; "Amir Bakian: Social Media Marketing agent with 6 years of sales experience. I work really hard to get my clients the best representation to further their businesses."  The articles are all written "in association with Amir Bakian" who's pushed these articles out to various media outlets on the web and who clearly states he's a social media marketing person, this is what PR looks like.  Hence PROMO.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 14:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Lyrical lemonade is for sure reliable and even if the La Weekly article isn’t, the other sources are.  The girl who wrote the article about him has interviewed A-list celebrities.  Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] And not all the articles are written in association with him!  That’s a lie.  Only one author from the 15 sources are written by him.  Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 15:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] To add to what you said, “Criteria for musicians and ensembles”, individual passes sections 1,5, and 7.  Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 17:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment User:Davidnorco86 has commented on my talk page that "Again, I’m not trying to be rude or be mean. I just don’t think you possess the skills or knowledge to contribute anything to musical artist discussions" So I will recuse myself from further comment here.  Theroadislong ( talk ) 18:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] There was no personal attack lol.  I stated I was not trying to be rude or anything at all.  I apologize if you took it that way but again, the way you speak about music just seems from an uninformed perspective.  Davidnorco86 ( talk ) 18:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Additional comment Hello, Theroadislong , just FYI, Davidnorco86 has been indefinitely blocked.  L iz Read!  Talk!  07:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Socks always come out to play.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 00:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] just as a note @ Oaktree b it does not appear they were socking.  still either a highly disruptive editor at best and/or COI.  She was a fairy 14:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Oops, my bad.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 14:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : no actual reliable sources with actual significant coverage.  lyrical lemonade seems to be a blog, its reliability is probably marginal.  She was a fairy 14:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete