China Navigation Company: Draftifying seems the best next step.  - UtherSRG (talk) 12:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies , China ,  and Singapore .  UtherSRG (talk) 12:51, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] My name is Robert Jennings.  I am the Head of Group Archives for John Swire & Sons Ltd. (JS&S) I do not believe that there have been any breaches of copyright in the content of the page for the China Navigation Company.  If any allegations of copyright infringement by a puported copyright holder have been made then I would dispute such allegations.  I believe that the page can and should be returned to its previous condition.  It certainly shouldn't be deleted.  CNCo celebrated its 150th anniversary in 2022 - an extraordinary achievement for a shipping company, made even more extraordinary by the fact that it is still in the hands of its original owners.  I can confirm that Swire Shipping and Swire Bulk are wholly owned operating subsidiaries of the China Navigation Company Ltd. (CNCo).  CNCo is a holding company and is a wholly owned subsidiary of JS&S.   I can confirm that any written history of CNCo that is the copyright of JSS, CNCo or either Swire Shipping or Swire Bulk can be used freely and without specific permission from JSS.  The history text (flagged for copyright violation) contained within the description of the CNCo physical archives (owned by JSS and held in the archive collection of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS)) and shared on ‘Archives Hub’ https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/ea5125cd-1825-31be-b41a-142a903c5ede? component=e8bf8d21-b4a5-3546-ac96-9bc57cfc7319 has been reproduced (with minor edits to bring it up to date) from the introduction to the JSS collection at SOAS written by Elizabeth Hook and published originally in 1977.  The copyright to this text is owned by SOAS but permission to use the text feely for non-commercial purposes is explicitly given.  The link to the digitised version of the Elizabeth Hook 1977 catalogue of the JSS collection and to the permission are included below.  https://digital.soas.ac.uk/AA00001363/00001/1x? search=hook https://digital.soas.ac.uk//permissions/ I do hope the above is sufficiently satisfactory to remove any issue.  Please do contact me if there are any further questions.  Tie Coup ( talk ) 15:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Tie Coup/Robert Jennings , The license which Wikipedia ascribes the text and contributions by editors to is Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 4.0 , as stated in the footer of the site.  This license allows the commercial usage of the material, which evidently is incongruent with the permission to use the archive materials freely for non-commercial purposes.  Do see Donating copyrighted materials for more information.  – robertsky ( talk ) 20:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  It was I who removed the copyvio content, and left the page in its present state; unfortunately no rewrite was proposed in the four weeks the page was listed at WP:CP .  I fully agree with UtherSRG that that's far from ideal, but don't think that we can justify deletion: the company has well over a century of significant history and is indisputably notable .  Other options – redirect, merge or rewrite/expansion – are all preferable to deletion.  If the page is kept it should be moved to

Discussion outcome: keep