Hourglass, Kansas : There's no there there, of course, and nothing on the topos.  Mangoe ( talk ) 16:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Kansas .  Eastmain ( talk • contribs ) 16:58, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment .  The nominator should remember to place {{subst:Afdnote|name of article}} on the creator's talk page whenever nominating an article for deletion.  This time, I placed it myself, but it's better for the nominator to place the notice.  Eastmain ( talk • contribs ) 17:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] It's not in Gannett's 1898 Gazetteer.   It's not in the 1912 Blackmar Cyclopedia .   The KHS source in the article says post office and does not support the claim of a town, ghost or otherwise.   I can find merely a second source with it as a dot on the 1887 mail route through Cheyenne County, and a third that is a directory of post offices listing J. Shaw as postmaster in 1883.   Nothing else.   This is another ghost town lie, which Wikipedia has been telling the world for 6 years.  Uncle G ( talk ) 20:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete or merge According to the local paper, Hourglass was a Township, It contained Hourglass ranch and a post office.  Last mentioned 1886, I couldn't find what happened to it.  If someone knows what happened to this township, I support merging per wherever they say.  James.folsom ( talk ) 22:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] That's interesting.   The 1887 map with the dot had "Municipal Township No. 3" in the background.   It's the Fifth Biennial (1886) report by the Kansas State Board of Agriculture, page 124.   Maybe people knew Township No. 3 by its post office.  Blackmar's list of townships is: Alexander, Beaver, Benkelman, Bird City, Calhoun, Cherry Creek, Cleveland Run, Dent, Eureka, Evergreen, Jaqua, Jefferson, Lawn Ridge, Nutty Combe, Orlando, Porter, and Wano.   (c.f. another ghost town lie that was at Jaqua, Kansas and that is still in the Template:Cheyenne County, Kansas navigation box)  Uncle G ( talk ) 02:42, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The local paper says there was a hourglass township in 1887, https://www.newspapers.com/image/225927515/? match=1&clipping_id=139223036 .  I agree with what you say, but I also have no explanation for why the local paper says that township existed.  But, here I will add: Newspapers are being made available online at an exponential rate.  I love it and thrive on it because it's newspapers that tell history, not gazateers James.folsom ( talk ) 06:13, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] That looks official, and is dated 1887.   So I switched from the Fifth Biennal Report to the Sixth Biennial Report of the Kansas State Board of Agriculture, which is 1887–1888.   This has a population breakdown by township on page 65, and it has Beaver, Benkelman, Bird City, Calhoun, Cherry Creek, Cleveland Run, Dent, Eureka, Jaqua, Lawn Ridge, Nuttycombe, Orlando, and Wano.   No Hourglass in sight.  But history books beat newspapers, as do the official reports of the State Board of Agriculture, and the history books say that Cheyenne was run by Rawlins County, Kansas before it got its own county government and wasn't organized until 1886.   Hence the Fifth Report not including townships at all.   The Sixth Report's list is the earliest valid list.  I note that that newspaper report is reporting that the Hourglass account is being emptied by order of the county commissioners.   I wonder whether it was merely a bank account set up for a prospective township that never got organized in the first place.   This was around the time that the county was first being set up, with appointed and not elected commissioners.  Uncle G ( talk ) 14:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] So this clip: https://www.newspapers.com/article/cheyenne-county-rustler-townships-in-che/139244909/ is the earliest mention I can find of the townships, April of 1886.  It gives names and numbers, Hourglass is #3.  I think the names given here are informal names that haven't been ratified.  Because in Dec 1887 this article https://www.newspapers.com/article/cheyenne-county-rustler-beginning-of-a-c/139246147/ reports on the proposals to create those same townships, and hourglass isn't one of them.  My conclusion, is that hourglass ranch was likely in township 3, and because of that this township was known as hourglass.  In late Dec 1887 the official names were put forward, and the hourglass town acct was emptied.  So GNIS picked up the post office named hourglass, which was probably at the ranch and created a town.  For the record I've seen no mention of a town named hourglass anywhere.  And I probably now know more about the history of that county than people who live there.  I think I will add a snippet about the massive voter fraud that happened during the vote for setting the county seat.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by James.folsom ( talk • contribs ) 2024-01-21T18:10:42 (UTC) Delete .  I can't find references to this beyond as an aptly-named post office.  Jbt89 ( talk ) 07:32, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete or redirect to Calhoun Township, Cheyenne County, Kansas This GNIS entry was a ranch and post office named Hourglass.  The location given is in Calhoun township and somebody might read about hourglass and search it.  Then someone could take some of this newspaper material and roll into the county article.  James.folsom ( talk ) 18:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] It sounds like Cheyenne County, Kansas#Townships needs at least a couple of sentences.  Cheyenne County, Kansas#History is where the county seat election is.  Uncle G ( talk ) 06:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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