Yehezkel Mizrahi : Arrested for having an apparently minor role in a militant movement.  The article has been plagiarized from the sources.  Schierbecker ( talk ) 09:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military , Judaism ,  and Israel .  Schierbecker ( talk ) 09:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete, a plagiarism.  Mwinog2777 ( talk ) 19:36, 16 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Don't Delete .  There is absolutely no reason to delete this article.  Sources were provided and the life of that particular person was documented.  It's like any other biography.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by OctoGreeko ( talk • contribs ) 13:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] that's the problem, it's routine stuff, like any other biography.  We need to see why he's deserving of an article here.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 15:56, 23 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment .  Not individually notable but ideally he would be added to the prison photo caption in Kingdom of Israel (group) and redirected.  gidonb ( talk ) 01:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, ✗ plicit 11:08, 23 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : The article isn't really clear as to why he's notable.  He was born.  Ok.  Served in the military, got arrested, got married and had a kid.  End of the article.  All I find is one mention in a court record, that wouldn't seem to pass CRIME notability.  I'm not even sure what this person did to deserve an article...  Oaktree b ( talk ) 15:55, 23 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] He served in the British army, Lehi and the IDF while lying about his age and having serious health problems.  He was involved in the Assasination of Folke Bernadotte and the israeli civil/independence war.  He also was involved in several other activities which I mentioned in the article.  So yes, he is notable.  OctoGreeko ( talk ) 07:50, 24 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Service in the British Army or the IDF, even in wartime, does not make you noteworthy.  You need what we call a credible claim of significance .  Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Read my comment again.  That's not the only thing I said OctoGreeko ( talk ) 13:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete If you are going to write a biographical article, start by telling us in the first sentence why this person deserves to have an article.  A lead that tells you that he was born does not does not make the grade.  Following up by telling us a series of equally mundane details does not help.  Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] It's all in the article.  People just have to read it.  OctoGreeko ( talk ) 07:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] It says in the infobox that he was involved in the assassination of Folke Bernadotte, and if so this should be in the lead sentence as his primary claim to significance.  However, there is no mention of this assertion in the article, the cited sources, or the article on the assassination, and therefore the claim is likely to be removed from the infobox by a passing gnome as unsourced.  That would get you over the first hurdle, but note WP:CRIME : A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .  If you can't say anything except "he was born, became a soldier, married, and then died", then the article is not needed.  Artem.G ( talk ) 21:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] And the same argument again.  How about reading the entire article instead of just typing the same text as others?  OctoGreeko ( talk ) 15:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] To save yourself from this hassle (or a speedy deletion by the New Page Patrol) in the future, a claim to significance should appear in the first sentence.  (See MOS:LEADSENTENCE )  Don't expect the NPP to read the entire article, or check the sources, especially when they are in a foreign language.  Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] the whole article is "he was born, studied, joined the army, was arrested, got married".  As noted by others, if you can't say about a person something other than "he was born" in the first sentence, you have a problem.  The article is also a really close retelling of the second source, from the Lehi website.  Artem.G ( talk ) 10:42, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I rewrote the first part of my page.  I hope that helps OctoGreeko ( talk ) 01:45, 28 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] well, no, you didn't, it's still copyvio.  compare it: second para: article: "He studied in a kuttab, a rigorous cheder, and Sephardic Talmud Torah while simultaneously studying general subjects." - source: "Yehezkel studied in a kuttab, a rigorous cheder, and Sephardic Talmud Torah. Simultaneously, he studied general subjects." "At age thirteen, he joined Beitar, and he soon went to work to support his family." - "At age thirteen, he joined Beitar, and he soon went to work to support his family." "A few years later, at age sixteen, he joined the British armed forces to fight the Nazis while lying about his age. He served in the Royal Navy from 1941 to 1946." - "At age sixteen, he joined the British armed forces to fight the Germans, lying about his age. He served in the Royal Navy from 1941 to 1946." last sentence: "He died on July 29, 1989, leaving his wife Zipporah, a daughter and two sons." - "He fell ill and died on July 29,1989, leaving his wife Zipporah, a daughter and two sons." etc etc etc. please read Wikipedia:Copyright violations .  Artem.G ( talk ) 10:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Well, these parts of his life are important and should be covered in this article.  OctoGreeko ( talk ) 14:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] they are, but you shouldn't copy-paste text from copyrighted sources.  Artem.G ( talk ) 14:51, 28 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Would a "reconstruction" help in this situation?  OctoGreeko ( talk ) 19:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak keep - setting aside the plagiarism accusation, which should be adjudicated separately, he seems notable, he participated in important historical events.  Sources are insufficient and/or OR, but it seems likely that he is discussed in the abundant historical literature on this period of Israel/Palestine history.  Llajwa ( talk ) 21:14, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] it seems likely that he is discussed in the abundant historical literature (emphasis my own).  It seems like it, but you haven't actually gone looking?  Schierbecker ( talk ) 02:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .  Further to my earlier comment.  I haven't gotten to writing the caption.  This is not something the merge team should be burdened with.  Redirect after some work was my optimum.  This can also be done later.  Delete is my default.  gidonb ( talk ) 01:32, 30 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete