Geekom: Almost all the coverage is product reviews in technology/computer press.  Would need more third party coverage like major newspapers to meet WP:CORP .  LibStar ( talk ) 04:15, 4 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies , Products , Computing ,  and Taiwan .  – Laundry Pizza 03 ( d c̄ ) 04:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Perhaps I should not comment as I had a brief email exchange with a Geekom employee and thus a conflict of interest .  I am willing to accept that I misjudged the article-worthiness of Geekom.  They are , however, one of the largest producers of a niche market, which is why I considered and eventually undertook a request to make the article.  If the majority of the participants in this discussion agree that Geekom does not yet have enough coverage to warrant its own article, then I propose a redirect to nettop instead.  I would argue that the company has enough relevance in its own niche to warrant a mention the article of its niche (nettop).  Admittedly, the nettop article itself is also poorly sourced, but I am willing to work on and transform that article while sticking to scholarly and major news sources.  I acknowledge that my conflict of interest may affect the consideration of my comment by other contributors, but I believe that I should at least say something since I was responsible for this article's creation in the first place.  Yue 🌙 06:57, 4 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Wikipedia:Conflict of interest says: Conflict of interest ( COI ) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships.  Any external relationship can trigger a conflict of interest .  If the extent of your interactions with the employee was to request permission to upload File:GEEKOM Mini IT8.jpg , File:GEEKOM Mini IT11.jpg , and File:GEEKOM BookFun 11.jpg , I don't consider having "a brief email exchange with a Geekom employee" to cause you to have a conflict of interest about the company.  If you have a deeper relationship with the company ("yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships"), then you have a conflict of interest.  Otherwise, I think you do not have a conflict of interest.  By the way, per Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials#Granting us permission to copy material already online , I recommend sending an email to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org documenting the permission you received for the photos.  Without documentation, the photos could be deleted as lacking proof that they were released under a free license.  Cunard ( talk ) 08:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Cunard : I will email them when I can to avoid such troubles in the future.  I appreciate the recommendation, thank you!  Yue 🌙 19:10, 4 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep in some form since Geekom's products have received the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources .  The article can be renamed to be "Products of Geekom", "Geekom's products", or "List of Geekom products" to address concerns that the reliable sources focus on Geekom's products instead of Geekom the company.  Sources Geekom IT8 Mini PC reviews: Elliott, Matthew (2022-06-26).  "Geekom IT8 Mini PC Review: An ultracompact desktop that works right out of the box" .  PCMag .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-04 .  Retrieved 2023-04-04 .  The review notes: "The Geekom IT8 Mini is about as far as you can get from a full-tower gaming PC, but its Intel integrated graphics are sufficient for smoothly running Windows 11 and streaming HD video. The scores of the NZXT H1 Mini Plus with its GeForce RTX 3060 GPU show the colossal gap in graphics performance between a game-worthy system and a kiosk or streamer like the Geekom."  Athow, Desire (2022-03-14).  "Geekom IT8 Mini workstation PC review: Small and mighty but with an old processor, is this a mini workstation to remember or forget?" .  TechRadar .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-04 .  Retrieved 2023-04-04 .  The review notes: "The GEEKOM IT8 surprised us by delivering a deftly engineered NUC-like mini PC that will shine as a micro workstation. Businesses will appreciate the presence of Windows 11 Pro and the plethora of ports although the lack of Wi-Fi 6 and solid after sales support network may cause some to stay away from this bargain."  Palmer, Jordan (2022-04-28).  "Geekom Mini IT8 review: Big value in this mini PC: This NUC competitor hits hard" .  Tom's Guide .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-04 .  Retrieved 2023-04-04 .  The review notes: "For a starting price of $439, the Mini IT8 is a great little desktop PC. It’s unassuming, you can mount it to the back of your monitor, and it’s upgradeable. It’s hard to find a better option for this money, especially when the alternative is spending a lot more cash on an expensive mini computer for performance gains you may not even notice. The Geekom Mini IT8 would make a great family PC or low-cost server. With its NVMe drive and 3200MHz RAM, it punches well above its weight."  Geekom BookFun 11 review: Rossman, Jim (2022-04-21).  "Gaming laptop brings understated looks and plenty of speed: Geekom's first laptop model is geared toward the gamer market with fast CPU and graphics — and you can add extra storage and RAM" .  The Dallas Morning News .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-04 .  Retrieved 2023-04-04 .  The review notes: "Pros: Fast CPU and GPU; user upgradable RAM and SSD, Thunderbolt 4. Cons: No touch screen option. Brand is not very well known. Bottom line: I’ve enjoyed my testing of the BookFun 11. Good performance and solid design."  Geekom Mini IT 11 reviews: Rossman, Jim (2022-12-29).  "Geekom Mini PC packs a lot into a very small case: It has some useful features, users can upgrade the RAM and it's so small it practically disappears on your desk" .  The Dallas Morning News .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-04 .  Retrieved 2023-04-04 .  The review notes: "The Geekom IT 11, with its 11th generation Intel CPU and upgradeable RAM and storage should keep this machine viable for a long time."  Pickavance, Mark (2022-12-05).  "Geekom Mini IT11 review: Another polished performer from Geekom" .  TechRadar .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-04 .  Retrieved 2023-04-04 .  The review notes: "Another high-quality design from Geekom offers a good computing platform and GPU combination. Able to cope with tasks that would swamp other NUC designs. The only weakness here is the cheap NVMe drive that comes pre-installed."  Palmer, Jordan (2022-10-26).  "Geekom Mini IT11 review: This little workhorse is ideal for most mini PC needs" .  Tom's Guide .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-04 .  Retrieved 2023-04-04 .  The review notes: "With an 11th-gen Intel processor, the Geekom Mini IT11 is a little workhorse that is perfect for most people who need a mini PC. It’s got solid specs, and like other Geekom machines we've reviewed, you can upgrade the RAM and storage."  Geekom MiniAir 11 Mini PC reviews: Pickavance, Mark (2022-12-01).  "Geekom MiniAir 11 Mini PC: A classy and affordable NUC" .  TechRadar .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-04 .  Retrieved 2023-04-04 .  The review notes: "A finely constructed and easily upgradable NUC design. The only issues with this machine over others are the mediocre performance of the CPU/GPU and that the M.2 slot is only two lanes, limiting speed. For the cost, a decent machine."  Palmer, Jordan (2022-08-11).  "Geekom MiniAir 11 review: The ideal budget mini PC: If you're on a tight budget, the MiniAir 11 is great" .  Tom's Guide .  Archived from the original on 2023-04-04 .  Retrieved 2023-04-04 .  The review notes: "A super affordable mini PC, the Geekom MiniAir 11 gets the job done with just the right amount of horsepower. It won’t win any races, but for light tasks such as web browsing, social media, video watching, and document editing, it’s a great option. It also features user-upgradeable RAM and storage."  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Geekom's products to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria , which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".  Cunard ( talk ) 08:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk ) 06:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] keep or redirect to an article about the products.  COI is ok so long as it's declared and handled correctly.  I'm hoping you'll contribute further to Wikipedia!  Oaktree b ( talk ) 12:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep