Mission Beach USA: Donald D23 talk to me 22:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak keep .  My own WP:BEFORE has thrown up at least a few sources which seem to deal with the subject in some detail.  I've added these to the article and updated the text to reflect.  While not "cut and dried" (as indicated by the previous AfD (s)? ), I'd err towards a keep.  Granted some of the coverage is about the participants in the reality show (rather than the reality show itself), they seem at least contributory...  Guliolopez ( talk ) 19:43, 15 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep -- the implemented article improvements show that it meets the GNG.  matt91486 ( talk ) 14:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : Fails GNG and WP:RPRGM .  Sources in the article are promo and about other toics where the subject is mentioned.  Nothing with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth from IS RS.  Souce eval: Comments Source Promo, not IS, Souce states, "when I was asked if I wanted to work on an RTE Young People's television show called Mission Beach."  1.  "Reality TV's new wave of Irish stars".  The Herald.  21 October 2010.  Article about another series, subject is mentioned, "Rival Media have previously produced ‘Mission Beach USA’ for RTÉ,"  2. ^ Jump up to:a b "RTÉ Surf Series 'Big Wave Bootcamp' In Pre-Production".  iftn.ie.  Irish Film & Television Network.  17 May 2012.  Rival Media have previously produced 'Mission Beach USA' for RTÉ, which [..] has run for two seasons on RTÉ Two Article about another subject, subject is mentioned, "Other new shows include Super Crew, a search for Ireland’s hottest teenage hip hop dancers, and Mission Beach USA, where eight Irish teens undergo junior lifeguard training"  3. ^ "Bye, bye Den after 25 years on the small screen".  Irish Examiner.  14 September 2010.  Other new [TRTÉ] shows include [..] Mission Beach USA, where eight Irish teens undergo junior lifeguard training in Florida  4. ^ "Foxford teen features on RTÉ 2's Mission Beach".  Mayo Advertiser.  14 October 2013.  Mission Beach is produced by Rival Media for RTÉ Promo about another subject involved in the show  5. ^ "TRTÉ » Mission Beach USA Gallery".  RTÉ.  Archived from the original on 11 March 2015.  Retrieved 15 March 2015.  Promo  6. ^ "Swim Stars".  Sligo Champion.  4 November 2010.  progress can be followed every week on the TV program called Mission Beach USA, RTE 2, Mondays at 5pm Press release  7. ^ "BBC Switch announces activity for Autumn 2008" (Press release).  BBC.  21 August 2008.  Retrieved 15 April 2023.  Mission Beach is an eight-part observational documentary [..] lifeguard programme [..] Mission Beach USA is produced by Rival Media Promo Article about another subject, mentions subject  8. ^ "Life's a beach for Limerick rower Dylan".  Limerick Leader.  18 October 2011.  one of eight 16 year olds who [..] was selected from a total of 5,500 applicants to take part in the show Promo Article about another subject, mentions subject  9. ^ Wyman, Scott (10 August 2010).  "Irish Baywatch: TV reality show films Irish youth training as Fort Lauderdale lifeguards".  Sun Sentinel.  Archived from the original on 4 March 2016.  Press release  10. ^ "RTÉjr and TRTÉ".  presspack.rte.ie (Press release).  5 November 2011.  Retrieved 15 April 2023.  Annual report, primary, not about subject  11. ^ RTÉ - Independent Productions - Annual Report - 2011 (PDF) (Report).  RTÉ.  p.  6. Series returning by popular demand included teen reality series Mission Beach USA Routine promo article 12.  ^ "Irish reality show about teen lifeguards returns to Fort Lauderdale".  Sun Sentinel.  21 July 2011.  Archived from the original on 29 June 2021.  A fresh set of eight Irish teens have been in town this month [July 2011] filming "Mission Beach USA" for that country's RTE 2 network BEFORE showed nothing but more promo, mentions such as the above, but nothing from IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk 14:56, 17 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment .  Hi TimothyBlue .  While I'd noted in my own ! vote that some of the sources weren't great, I'm intrigued (in particular) to see the Sun Sentinel articles described as "promo".  And, in the case of the "Irish Baywatch: TV reality show films Irish youth training as Fort Lauderdale lifeguards" [4] article, to see it described as "promo about another subject".  Perhaps this isn't labelled as intended?  Separately, I'm personally unsure as the intent of linking WP:RPRGM - which seems to deal primarily with radio programs.  While RPRGM does link to WP:NTVNATL , that essay suggests that "an individual television program is more likely to be notable if it airs on [..] cable television channel with a broader regional or national audience".  And, while that essay doesn't "trump" GNG/SIGCOV, it is worth noting that RTÉ is a national station and RTÉ2 a national channel.  Anyway, I just wanted to raise as I'm not sure that table is perhaps laid-out fully as intended.  (And, perhaps, a different essay/guideline was also intended?)  Guliolopez ( talk ) 19:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] No real opinion from me, I would say however that almost all TV shows in Ireland will mainly come from promotional material either from press articles or from the broadcaster themselves, it'd be very difficult to write much of anything with out such press regarding any Irish TV programme.  IrishTV ( talk ) 16:40, 17 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] In general I've found the recent trend to label anything that amounts to informing people about things, as opposed to deep analysis, as "promotional" to be an unconvincing reading of PROMO.  Press releases are promotional -- if they are reprinted as is, this applies.  If newspapers independently cover a media release, and write their own copy and have their own byline, it is not PROMO.  matt91486 ( talk ) 05:16, 18 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep :  Seems notable.   By necessity, the coverage albeit in legitimate newspapers, is not going to be in-depth investigative journalism, even if this show had a bar higher than MILF Manor . -- Milowent • has spoken 13:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  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Discussion outcome: keep