Lucy Elliott: Streaming work is not notable.  A WP:BEFORE found nothing better.  The creator removed the PROD nomination but did not add any useful content or references.  Annh07 ( talk ) 08:37, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers , Women ,  and New Zealand .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete' - This emerging actor does not meet notability criteria for WP:NACTOR nor WP:GNG .  An online search reveals user-submitted content, primary sources and social media, but I was unable to find SIGCOV.  Netherzone ( talk ) 10:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Changing my ! vote to Keep - altho it is a weak K**p.  This change is based on Chocmilk03 's improvements per WP:HEY . It's a weak keep because she does not meet NACTOR, however with the improvements she does meet GNG, altho the sources seem more like human interest stories and some are primary sources (interviews) rather than serious analyses of her work itself. Netherzone ( talk ) 13:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Internet . WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 10:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : More than enough coverage in NZ media [30] , [31] which is probably the best, then [32] and this for fun [33] Oaktree b ( talk ) 13:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Thank you for your help in finding additional sources. I have not found any sources that write in-depth about her work or roles in the movies she has participated in. The sources you have provided are just side stories about life, I think that's not enough. She is described as an actress but there are no articles about her acting work. In addition, she has only participated in 2-3 movies. Annh07 ( talk ) 16:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Hi @ Oaktree b , I respect your work on AfDs very much, and thanks for finding those sources. Is Stuff considered a reliable source? It seems a bit tabloid-like, but I'm not really familiar with it. Netherzone ( talk ) 17:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] That's the New Zealand Stuff, I think it is, but I don't see it in the RS list [34] . Seems to be unrelated to the Maxim one we used to see here in North America, almost like a People magazine. I'll keep looking for sources. Oaktree b ( talk ) 18:09, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Ungh, I wondered when I'd run into this "Some results may have been delisted consistent with local laws."  Canada and it seems New Zealand have fought with media aggregators over hosting news, so some have pulled coverage here (facebook doesn't allow Canadian news to be displayed, I guess Google has gotten in on the fun now). This was in NZ Woman's Day [35] . Should at at least be a weak keep with the two newspapers and these other sources. The Woman's Day piece doesn't seem sensational and has a by-line, it's a rather frank talk about her fight with depression. Oaktree b ( talk ) 18:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Netherzone and @ Oaktree b , for what it's worth, and very much despite the name, Stuff is one of New Zealand's two major well-established news websites (the other being The New Zealand Herald ; I would consider them equally reliable). It is absolutely a reliable source, but subject to the guidance at WP:RSEDITORIAL about checking individual articles on a case-by-case basis (e.g. it reprints content from news agencies without checking accuracy, and human interest reporting isn't as reliable). Cheers, Chocmilk03 ( talk ) 20:54, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Thank you, good to know! Netherzone ( talk ) 21:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment : IMDB says she was in 57 episodes of Shortland Street, which is a soap opera, that would probably pass the notability requirements for actors, I think. Oaktree b ( talk ) 18:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I checked the Shortland Street cast list , there are 7 people who have acted in more than 1000 episodes and more than 100 people who have acted in more than 100 episodes, which is a huge difference compared to Lucy Elliott's role. In addition, IMDB is not a reliable source ( WP:IMDB ), we cannot rely entirely on it. Annh07 ( talk ) 19:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] It's more just the fact that it confirms she's an actress, we already have confirmation of her role in the articles above, that just adds colour to it. Oaktree b ( talk ) 19:45, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I'm doubtful if that is enough to meet WP:NACTOR , the criteria states: Such a person may be considered notable if:  1. The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or  2. The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.  It would be helpful if we knew whether her role in Shortland Street was major or minor.  If it was a major role, then that would count towards criteria #1, however the requirement is multiple notable productions.  Netherzone ( talk ) 21:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  I've worked through the sources as part of expanding the article, and though it's borderline, I think I'd err on the side of keep.  Shortland Street is probably New Zealand's most notable television show and the amount of coverage demonstrates that her role was significant.  She doesn't quite meet WP:NACTOR (which requires significant roles in multiple notable productions), but failure to meet this criteria is not conclusive.  She does meet WP:GNG .  Cheers, Chocmilk03 ( talk ) 21:41, 25 October 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: speedy keep