NHL 24: Paul Vaurie ( talk ) 19:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Video games and Ice hockey .  Paul Vaurie ( talk ) 19:24, 14 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep (or Draft) It's certainly early, but articles are coming out today about the cover athlete and a "full reveal" is scheduled for 2 days from now.  It will release in a couple months and will certainly be notable.  Every other NHL game has an article.  TarkusAB talk / contrib 19:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] * Draftify per WP:TOOSOON .  This article can come out the same time as the others.  It could be a couple of days or up to the start of the NHL season.  Conyo14 ( talk ) 19:50, 14 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Draftify: Obvious TOOSOON.   Articles are coming out about Makar being on the cover, but that doesn't provide substantive coverage to the subject: "Cale Makar will be on the cover of NHL24" says nothing about the subject beyond those nine words, and that isn't even sub-stub material.  Ravenswing 21:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The subject is apparently due to be announced in 2 days, might be worth just sitting on and seeing how the article develops.  - Indefensible ( talk ) 22:20, 14 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Draftify.  Nominated for AfD two hours after creation and one hour after initial media coverage of the cover athlete selection ( ESPN , Hockey News , among others).  WP:ATD is policy; WP:ATD-I both allows and suggests that new page reviewers can unilaterally draftify before nominating for deletion.  The nominator was this page's reviewer, and this AfD just wasted people's time instead.  - Socccc ( talk ) 22:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Draftify per Socccc.  - Indefensible ( talk ) 23:20, 14 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep The game is set to be revealed on August 16th.  For some comparison, the reveal trailer for NHL 23 came out on August 25, 2022 and the article was created one day earlier.  I don't believe any harm is done in keeping this article for two days.  IncompA 00:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] It sort of allows to keep a precedence to avoid breaking WP:TOOSOON , even if it's by a day.  Drafting with better sources is better than having an article where none exist yet.  Conyo14 ( talk ) 04:06, 15 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Except that that this AfD can't close until several days after the scheduled full reveal date.  Rlendog ( talk ) 13:37, 15 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] There is something called WP:SNOW .  It can be applied to drafting something clearly to WP:TOOSOON .  Conyo14 ( talk ) 17:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  Yes, it might be TOOSOON, but if the game is revealed in a few days, which will be days before this discussion is closed, this article could have plenty of time to establish itself.  NegativeMP1 ( talk ) 04:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I would have boldly redirected or sent it to draft space rather than use AFD, as there will almost certainly be enough sourcing for an article by the time this AFD closes after 7 days.  Highly doubt this closes anything other than keep.  Sergecross73 msg me 14:10, 15 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per IncompA.  Despite being TOOSOON when created, there's a good chance the game's official reveal happens before this discussion is even closed.  The Kip ( talk ) 17:17, 15 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Normally an appropriate WP:TOOSOON , but since the game has now since been announced, there is no practical reason to delete.  ＶＲＸＣＥＳ ( talk ) 03:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy Keep Striking my original vote now that the trailer is out.  To the nominator, if this happens again, just boldly send it to draft.  WP:TOOSOON can allow for a speedy draft if it's necessary.  Conyo14 ( talk ) 17:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment ; I have now added four sources from reliable sources listed at Wikipedia:VG/S that prove this subjects notability.  I haven't expanded the article beyond stub with them, nor do I plan to, but they should be enough to prove that there is in-fact notability to be found here.  Negative MP1 17:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep