Adam Ross (CSI: NY): Spinixster (chat!) 01:44, 6 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements , Science fiction and fantasy ,  and Television .  Spinixster (chat!) 01:44, 6 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete.  All the current sources are user-generated content.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qcne ( talk • contribs ) 19:57, 6 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep.  Adam Ross is a main character on a television series that has been off the air for ten years.  There would have been limited news about him back then except from entertainment sources.  There is less available now because websites purge old pages.  As for CSI Files, yes it was set up for fans of the CSI franchise allowing them to discuss the episodes, characters, and actors.  That part is fan-generated.  But the site also contains news articles — most pulled from other sites, episode reviews detailing the various characters' situations and behavior, and interviews by freelance writers.  That part is not fan-generated.  Ducky Submarine ( talk ) 20:34, 6 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Ducky Submarine Check out WP:FICT .  Just because a character is the main character in a popular show does not mean that the character is notable.  The article is full of WP:Fancruft and there are no sources that demonstrate notability.  An example of a notable character page similar to Adam Ross would be Ziva David ; as you can see, the article also talks about her influence outside of the show.  If you can't find sources to demonstrate the character's notability outside of CSI: NY, then I'm afraid the character doesn't warrant a page.  Spinixster (chat!) 01:29, 7 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Spinixster The Ziva David article is impressive.  But if that is the standard for character pages few will make the cut.  Not every article qualifies as "first class".  That doesn't mean that they are not full of useful information for readers who are interested.  As for notability outside of CSI: NY , Adam Ross, along with most other television characters, is only notable for what he does inside the actual show.  He is just a character.  Not warranting a New York Times article does not make his page of no value to readers.  Ducky Submarine ( talk ) 20:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Ducky Submarine Then Adam Ross does not warrant a page, per WP:NOTCATALOG .  Again, from WP:FICT : The Wikipedia's general notability guideline is appropriate and sufficient for demonstrating the notability of fictional elements.  Specifically, fictional elements are presumed to be notable if there is significant coverage in independent secondary sources about the fictional element; when a fictional element is presumed notable, a separate article to cover that element is usually acceptable.  I only used the Ziva David article as an example of a character that had an impact outside of the show; I did not say that Ziva David is the ideal character page, the page is honestly a big mess right now.  Spinixster (chat!) 01:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per nom.  Just going over the sources, most are either semi-reliable or unreliable.  CSI Files is a tertiary blog source.  As for notability, I agree with Spinixster's assessment of characters having an impact outside the show.  Conyo14 ( talk ) 22:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to List_of_CSI:_NY_characters .  Not seeing enough to keep this per WP:GNG , just ap lot summary WP:FANCRUFT , but redirects are WP:CHEAP , so why not WP:SOFTDELETE ?  -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 05:06, 12 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Relisting to see if there is support for redirection which is what happens in a lot of AFDs about fictional characters.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  02:47, 13 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per Piotrus.  A lot of this is unsourced or unreliable.  What coverage I can find doesn't seem to be WP:SIGCOV .  A redirect would be fine, and allow later expansion if material is found.  Shooterwalker ( talk ) 22:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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