List of chat websites : Time to go for violating WP:V / WP:LISTN ?  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 07:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Websites and Lists .  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 07:55, 1 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Its a valid navigational list.  Category:Chat websites exist.   Lists are always more useful than categories as they allow more information to be listed.   And WP:LISTN clearly states There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists and Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability .   For years now these sorts of list have always been kept when sent to AFD.  D r e a m Focus 14:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  08:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete: This is a poorly updated and random list.  Some sites closed years ago.  Plenty of other sites are not listed.  Some are miscategorised (eg. Omegle as "adult").  The categories are random and not necessarily helpful.  Finally, it violates WP:NLIST .  WikiMane11 ( talk ) 00:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - At minimum, it's a fine navigational aid/index of articles on chat websites.  The features in the tables need sources, yes, but that seems like a WP:NOTCLEANUP issue, since at worst those can just be removed should someone wish to challenge them.  — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  07:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] KEEP : list needs to be updated not deleted as this is useful for readers as they might search of chat websites here n there, like chat websites in 2012 or 2023 anything this would be helpful.  HarryD ( talk ) 13:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment: Slightly different discussion, but I don't see a difference between Online chat and Instant messaging , and there is already a similar list at Comparison of cross-platform instant messaging clients .  There was a failed merge proposal in 2006 that argued there were differences between online chat and IM, but I can't find evidence that these differences really exist (e.g. IRC is now described as "instant messaging").  Helpful Raccoon ( talk ) 00:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Voice chat and video chat might be part of online chat but not instant messaging, but the articles are very vague about this.  Helpful Raccoon ( talk ) 01:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep