Rotarun Ski Area: Unreferenced since 2011.  * Pppery * it has begun... 18:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Travel and tourism , Sports ,  and Idaho .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 19:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete and salt again for lack of notability, dearth of reliable sources.  Kill this ad.  Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no!  19:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .   Fails GNG due to lack of SIGCOV.   Based on the lack of recent editing and the fact that the article has been tagged for notability since 2011, I strongly oppose salting .   There is little “threat” of recreation for the sake of recreation.  Frank Anchor 22:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Changed to keep per the sources added by Cunard which establish notability.   I maintain my opposition to salting if there is consensus to delete.  Frank Anchor 15:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources .  Rotarun, which reliable sources have described as a "ski hill" and a "a little mountain", falls under Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Scope , which says: For the purpose of this guideline, a geographical feature is any reasonably permanent or historic feature of the Earth , whether natural or artificial.  The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Natural features , which says: Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist.  This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc.  The number of known sources should be considered to ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article.  If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography.  For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river.  Sources Currie, Lori (2023-01-15).  "History of Rotarun" .  Sun Valley Magazine .  Archived from the original on 2024-04-20 .  Retrieved 2024-04-20 .  The article notes: "With its eight named runs and a vertical drop of 441 feet, Rotarun has been responsible for nurturing young talents like Olympic champions Picabo Street and Cristin Cooper and Paralympic medalist Muffy Davis. This humble little mountain has been a testament to community involvement since it sprang into existence in the winter of 1940-41, when three locals—Jim Hurst, Bob Jackson and Bill Mallory—ventured out of Croy Canyon, climbed Rotarun and declared that it would make a nice little ski hill."  Bossick, Karen (2021-01-30).  "A 'Magic' Hill Named Rotarun" .  Eye on Sun Valley .  Archived from the original on 2024-04-20 .  Retrieved 2024-04-20 .  The article notes: "Kathleen Eder knows every dip and rise in the treeless white hill that constitutes Rotarun Ski Area. She spent many hours here watching her daughter Lauren and son Jason take the first turns that launched their ski racing careers. ... Snowmaking, installed this year, has transformed the face of the mountain into a white expanse with none of the wheat-colored bunchgrasses that dot the slopes in lean snow years. Instead, the hill resembled a little factory with a steady stream of pint-sized skiers catching a ride on the Poma lift that ferried them 475 feet up the hill. ... Rotarun sprang into existence as an official ski hill when Bill Mallory, Bob Jackson and Jim Hurst arranged for a tractor-and-pulley rope tow to pull skiers up the 5,895-foot hill. And Jimmy Savaria gave ski lessons for $1 per week."  Bartley, Natalie (2011-02-07).  "Bartley: Small ski hills are the roots of the sport - They're a reminder of when ski hills were run by clubs instead of corporations" .  Idaho Statesman .  Archived from the original on 2024-04-20 .  Retrieved 2024-04-20 .  The article notes: "This is another long-standing small ski hill, which got its name when the local Rotary Club opened the hill in 1947. ... For example, on a busy Friday night in January, 60 people were on the hill. Race days attract 150 racers. Annual winter events include the Snow Box Derby, where people decorate sleds made of paper, tape and cardboard then glide down a course on the sleds, and the ski and snowboard Arkoosh Cup Race. The old Sun Valley heli-ski building was donated and moved and will be remodeled for the Rotarun's ski lodge, snack bar and warming hut."  Seder, Hayden (2020-02-12).  "Night skiing in Sun Valley? You betcha!" .  The Idaho Press .  Archived from the original on 2024-04-20 .  Retrieved 2024-04-20 .  The article notes: "But a small mountain located south of Ketchum in Hailey provides something that Baldy doesn’t — night skiing. Located three miles east of downtown Hailey is Rotarun, known as “the little mountain with a big heart.”  This fun little ski hill has been around for 60 years, serving the local community and providing a close-by, cheaper alternative to Sun Valley’s main ski hill. Rotarun has two lifts that run a little over 400 vertical feet to the top; one is a Poma lift and the other a handle tow lift."  Russell, Betsy Z. (2024-03-30).  "Snowmaking key to future of Idaho skiing" .  The Idaho Press .  ProQuest 3040311940 .  Archived from the original on 2024-04-20 .  Retrieved 2024-04-20 .  The article notes: "Idaho's smallest ski resort - Rotarun in Hailey - more than tripled its annual skier visits from around 3,000 to nearly 12,000 after it installed snowmaking. ... Little Rotarun, which got its name after the local Rotary Club replaced an existing rope tow in 1957, has a platter lift that was installed in 2001 and 441 feet of vertical. It struggled to stay open over the years and serve its community until the Rotarun Ski Club asked the Sun Valley Ski Education Foundation to step in and help operate the mountain starting in 2017. Limburg, a commercial real estate broker who's on the SVSEF board, became president, and the two nonprofits partnered, tapping into SVSEF's much bigger resources and donor base."  Evans, Tony (2016-11-25).  "The history and future of the people's ski hill: Rotarun community is devoted to south-valley winter recreation" .  Idaho Mountain Express .  Archived from the original on 2024-04-20 .  Retrieved 2024-04-20 .  The article notes: "During the winter of 1940-41, Jim Hurst, Bob Jackson and Bill Mallory decided that it was a nice day to go skiing, so they ventured out Croy Canyon, climbed Rotarun and declared that it would be a nice little ski hill. Those ski pioneers used a donated tractor from Wayne Clark and a pulley system to operate a rope tow in the early days. Jay Deering and Charles and Pilar Harris helped with the rope tow and Jimmy Savaria gave ski lessons for $1 per week. Ski racer Ann Janet Winn, who competed in the 1948 Winter Olympics, began teaching local children skiing on a small hill at the Hailey Elementary School and later took her students to Rotarun."  There is extensive coverage of Rotarun in this Newspapers.com search.  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Rotarun to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline , which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".  Cunard ( talk ) 10:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment , while I support keeping this article, the nomination wasn't concerned with notability as much as the article being previously created as Rotarun .  Samoht27 ( talk ) 16:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I would not phrase it that way - the point of these AfDs (of which this is one of dozens, most of which have ended in deletions) is to make sure that recreations of salted articles don't fly under the radar.  Once it's at AfD, especially for entries like this one where the previous title was only speedy deleted not subject to a deletion discussion, it should be evaluated by normal AfD standards, which do include concerns of notability.  And I'm not withdrawing this because I feel like I'm only the messenger here, not the independent agent pushing for deletion, so it would be wrong for me to do so.  * Pppery * it has begun... 16:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , as per Cunard .  Samoht27 ( talk ) 15:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep