WVEB-LD : Mvcg66b3r ( talk ) 23:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television , North Carolina ,  and South Carolina .  Mvcg66b3r ( talk ) 23:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to List of stations owned by Innovate Corp.  : Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV .  Let'srun ( talk ) 23:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to List of stations owned by Innovate Corp.  : Another ground-up run-of-the-mill DTV America/HC2/Innovate station with no real local content that has never received — and probably never will receive — the requisite significant coverage to merit anything more than list entries.  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 00:23, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : The low power station has been consistently updated and has several references to justify its existence.  -- WashuOtaku ( talk ) 00:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Existence is not the same as notability .  The existing references are either databases, which are not regarded as significant coverage (and one ref to the FCC database is automatically generated by the infobox), or are to its listings on the websites of DTV America and HC2 Broadcasting, which as owners of the station do not count as independent coverage (and themselves might fall under "database" as well).  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 01:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I'm confused by what you said.  So by that logic, all HC2 stations should redirect to the list of stations owned by Innovate Corporation/HC2 Broadcasting then?  So then by that account, all stations owned by HC2/DTV America (Innovate Corp.) aren't notable?  Wikipedia:ENN does exist but it feel likes we're using it to delete it like all non major-network affiliates.  It's kinda confusing....  I hope you clear that up because just like how my mother can't understand how WDAF-TV and KSHB-TV changed affiliations in the 1994–1996 United States broadcast television realignment and thought they CHANGED facilities, I wouldn't understand the Notability ≠ Existence thing for HC2 cause then, if we all took it literally (which is what is happening here) then do we just redirect all of them, all of the stations to the Innovate Corp link then?  Even the notable ones??? It just confuses me, that's all.  Mer764Wiki ( talk ) 06:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] We are only pruning stations that have never received the requisite significant coverage in reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline .  Most DTV America/HC2/Innovate stations do not have SIGCOV, especially the ones that went on the air in the 2010s and have had no other owners.  But some (not all, but some) of the stations they acquired from other owners did receive such coverage in the past, and the articles on those stations will be less likely to be deleted or redirected — notability is not temporary .  There is no one-size-fits-all approach here — this is a big reason why a bulk nomination of HC2/Innovate stations failed last year (I forgot my usual note that this article is a survivor of that, as it happens).  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 20:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] That seems to almost explains my point over the notability of some stations, because they might be notable back in the day but now they really are just subchannel farms like WKOB-LD or KCEB meaning they are NOT notable.  Mer764Wiki ( talk ) 23:23, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to List of stations owned by Innovate Corp. as above.  Stuartyeates ( talk ) 04:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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