John Todd Ferrier: No reliable independent sources.  - Altenmann >talk 17:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People , Christianity ,  and Scotland .  Hey man im josh ( talk ) 17:14, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions .  Hey man im josh ( talk ) 17:14, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete about all I can find is this [24] , could be the same person, they'd be about 30 yrs old.  Sources in the article are primary.  Nothing for GNG that I find.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 17:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Oaktree b the "Notes" are primary, but if you scroll down, there seem to be quite a few secondary references in the "References" section?  Jahaza ( talk ) 17:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Ahh ok.  Since the rest are in off-line sources, I'm not going to ! vote as I can't comment on the quality.  I'll change it up above.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 17:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I questioned both independence and relability For example "Professor Peter Atkins; Professor Derek J Oddy; Peter Lummel (28 November 2012). Food and the City in Europe since 1800: contains a short blurb sourced to Ferrier himself, i.e., hardly independent source. - Altenmann >talk 17:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] In Atkins, Oddy, and Lummel I see 2 mentions in the index- one refers to Ferrier's book "On behalf of the Creatures" and the other mentions the Order of the Cross founded by JTF.  Yadsalohcin ( talk ) 11:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Thankyou for this source- as stated, there seems to be little biographical information about this man who had a role in the history of Christian vegetarianism, so this should be a significant help (words along the line of 'an early publication of his works summarised 8 lectures he delivered...') Yadsalohcin ( talk ) 08:36, 12 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep.  Some of the sources are kinda fluffy, but a number of the books are (at least partially) accessible on Google Books/Wayback, and at a quick glance, appear to discuss Ferrier's role in the history Christian vegetarianism.  The lede could use some work; I think the weird capitalization is making it come across as boosterism.  Kalethan ( talk ) 18:18, 11 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Thanks for this- I have started on some clarifications to the lead para...  Yadsalohcin ( talk ) 08:30, 12 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep.  Here is a person who founded an 'informal spiritual communion' which has survived over 100 years and who had a role in the history of Christian vegetarianism.  Extra refs found and added above the pre-existing ones from Melton, Atkins, Grumett and Calvert(x2), which has allowed expansion of the (renamed) 'Biography' section.  Yadsalohcin ( talk ) 08:43, 14 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep in view of the additional relable sources references added to the article that now passes WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk ) 19:24, 16 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep