Lee Bu-ti: Hitro talk 16:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople , Olympics ,  and Taiwan .  Hitro talk 16:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] This modern source mentions him as attending a sporting event and them specifically taking time to mention that he attended the event (with a picture) makes me feel like he was likely a notable gymnast.  This source also mentions him and includes a picture of a Taiwan newspaper clipping talking about that year's Olympics, but I can't read it.  I feel we'd probably find something if we looked in a Taiwanese newspaper archive, but I don't know of one...  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 17:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources .  The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria , which says: People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable , intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject .  If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.  Sources The sources found by BeanieFan11 ( talk · contribs ).  Yang, Wuxun 楊武勳 (1977-11-19).  "高英傑 這樣成為 職業球員？美球探緊迫釘人‧李武智穿針引線" [Is this how Gao Yingjie becomes a professional player? U.S. scouts urgently target someone, Lee Moo-chi leads the way].  United Daily News (in Chinese).  p. 3.  The article notes: "以目前的情形看來，辛辛那提紅人隊在華的聯絡人李武智是最清楚整個事情來龍去脈的人。因為，從高英傑被美國球保看中，到被網羅，乃至與辛辛那提紅人隊簽約，李武智一直居中聯繫。" From Google Translate: "Judging from the current situation, Lee Bu-ti, the contact person of the Cincinnati Reds in China, is the person who knows the ins and outs of the whole matter best. Because, from the time Gao Yingjie was spotted by the American football team, to being recruited, and even signing with the Cincinnati Reds, Li Wuzhi has always been in the middle."  The article notes: "他透過關係認識在台北美國學校擔任體育教師的李武智，聘他為駐華的聯絡人，希望他促成這件事。李武智曾獲選為我國參加墨西哥奧運會的體操選手。他太太是美國人，也在台北美國學校教書。李武智與台北體專棒球隊教練林敏政是師大體育系同班同學，因此又找林敏政幫忙。不過，在事前他未向林敏政表明他與辛辛那提紅人隊的關係。" From Google Translate: "Through his connections, he met Lee Bu-ti, who was a physical education teacher at the American School in Taipei, and hired him as his liaison in China, hoping that he would facilitate this matter. Lee Bu-ti was selected as our country's gymnast to participate in the Mexico Olympics. His wife is American and also teaches at the Taipei American School. Lee Bu-ti and Taipei Sports College baseball team coach Lin Minzheng were classmates in the Physical Education Department of the National Normal University, so he asked Lin Minzheng for help. However, he did not disclose his relationship with the Cincinnati Reds to Lin Minzheng beforehand."  The article notes: "另外，霍森答應由李武智負責給高英傑及李來發補習英語，按月付給李武智補習費。" From Google Translate: "In addition, Huo Sen promised that Lee Bu-ti would be responsible for tutoring Gao Yingjie and Li Laifa in English, and would pay Li Wuzhi tutoring fees on a monthly basis."  Chen, Yingzi 陳英姿 (2003-02-09).  "街舞「小威」 體操明日之星 19歲的他 去年就拿下廿幾面金牌 被視為進軍奧運新秀" [Street Dance "Serena" Gymnastics Rising Star. The 19-year-old won more than 20 gold medals last year and is considered a rising star in the Olympics.].  United Daily News (in Chinese).  p. 9.  The article notes: "當時前體操國手李武智在天母開設兒童體操營，林祥威在兒童體操營從幼稚園大班練到小學一年級，李武智看他有天分，建議他轉學到內湖的三民國小，" From Google Translate: "At that time, former national gymnast Li Wuzhi opened a children's gymnastics camp in Tianmu. Lin Xiangwei practiced at the children's gymnastics camp from kindergarten to first grade. Li Wuzhi saw that he had talent and suggested that he transfer to Sanmin Elementary School in Neihu."  Xu, Ruiyu 許瑞瑜 (1997-10-14).  "鄭為仁迷'網' 李武智願伸援手" [Zheng Weiren is obsessed with the Internet and Lee Bu-ti is willing to lend a helping hand].  Min Sheng Bao (in Chinese).  p. 3.  The article notes: "我國青少年網將鄭為仁缺乏奧援的處境經本報披露之後，昨天得到了迴響，在美國學校任教二十年的李武智表示，願意免費提供鄭為仁英文以及網球技術的指導，讓鄭媽媽感到非常窩心。... 另一方面也將義務指導鄭為仁出國參加得心應手。" From Google Translate: "After the Taiwanese Youth Network disclosed Zheng Weiren's lack of Olympic aid to this newspaper, it received a response yesterday. Lee Bu-ti, who has taught in American schools for 20 years, expressed his willingness to provide free guidance on Zheng Weiren's English and tennis skills, which made Zheng's mother feel very heart-warming. ... On the other hand, he will also be responsible for guiding Zheng Weiren to participate in overseas participation." "洪丹桂 囊括女子體操金牌" [Hong Dangui. Won gold medal in women's gymnastics].  United Daily News (in Chinese).  1962-10-29.  p. 3.  The article notes: "省運男女體操比賽已全部結束。... 男子組個人總成績冠軍則由屏東縣隊的李武智奪得。" From Google Translate: "All the men's and women's gymnastics competitions of the Provincial Games have ended. ... The overall individual championship in the men's group was won by Lee Bu-ti of the Pingtung County team." "世運代表初選 一五二人合格 田徑複選定明年三二九舉行 游泳選手僅蘇金德入圍" [152 people qualified in the primary election for World Games representatives. The track and field reselection will be held on March 29th next year, and only swimmer Su Jinde is shortlisted.].  United Daily News (in Chinese).  1963-11-08.  p. 2.  The article notes: "我國參加十八屆世運的體操第一期選拔合格選手，男選手十八人為： ... 李武智" From Google Translate: "China’s first phase of gymnastics selection for the 18th World Games consists of eighteen male athletes: ... Lee Bu-ti ..." "參加舉重健美比賽 北市選出代表 北部拳賽下月舉行 全省體操賽今結束" [Participate in weightlifting and bodybuilding competitions. Representatives from the northern city are selected. The northern boxing competition will be held next month. The provincial gymnastics competition ends today.].  United Daily News (in Chinese).  1967-03-12.  p. 2.  The article notes: "五十五年全省體操錦標賽，昨(十一)日上午在三重正義國校揭幕，為期二天，... 男子甲、乙二組吊環的規定及自選動作，昨日已全部賽畢，甲組前三名由師大李武智、鄭虎、張明峰包辦" From Google Translate: "The 55th Provincial Gymnastics Championships kicked off yesterday (November) morning at the Sanchong Zhengyi National School and lasted for two days. ... The regulations and optional movements of the men's rings in Groups A and B were completed yesterday. The top three in Group A were taken by Li Wuzhi, Zheng Hu and Zhang Mingfeng of the National Normal University." "全省體操賽 男組師大稱霸 新莊女中膺后" [Provincial gymnastics competition, men's team from Normal University dominates, Xinzhuang Girls' Middle School graduates].  United Daily News (in Chinese).  1967-03-13.  p. 2.  The article notes: "五十五年全省體操錦標賽，昨(十二)日下午五時在三重正義國校閉幕，同時頒發男、女六組團體及個人優勝者獎品。全省體操賽的優勝名單如下：男甲組團體前二名師大、高雄市，個人前三名李武智、鄭虎、張明峰，" From Google Translate: "The 55th Provincial Gymnastics Championships concluded at 5:00 pm yesterday (12th) at the Sanzhongzhengyi National School. Prizes were awarded to the six male and female team and individual winners at the same time. The list of winners of the provincial gymnastics competition is as follows: the top two teams in Men's Group A are from Normal University and Kaohsiung City, and the top three individuals are Lee Bu-ti, Zheng Hu, and Zhang Mingfeng." "奧院研究員 錄取十人" [Olympiad Academy researchers admitted ten people].  United Daily News (in Chinese).  Central News Agency .  1973-02-25.  p. 6.  The article notes: "中華民國奧林匹克委員會，甄選參加第十三屆國際奧林匹克學院研究員，成績業已評定，計錄取簡曜輝、黃賢堅、李武智、" From Google Translate: "The Olympic Committee of the Republic of China has selected researchers to participate in the 13th International Olympic Academy. The results have been evaluated and the candidates are Jian Yaohui, Huang Xianjian, Lee Bu-ti," "奧林匹克學院活動 我九青年赴希參加" [Nine young people from our country went to Greece to participate in Olympic Academy activities].  United Daily News (in Chinese).  Central News Agency .  1973-07-12.  p. 8.  The article notes: "中華民國參加第十三屆奧林匹克學院研究員九人，將於明天上午十時，坐環球公司班機離台北飛雅典，參加十三日至廿九日在那裏舉行的研究活動。... 中華民國今年遴選的九人是李武智、..."  From Google Translate: "Nine researchers from the Academy of Sciences of the Republic of China who participated in the 13th Olympic Games will fly from Taipei to Athens on a Universal flight at 10 a.m. tomorrow to participate in research activities held there from the 13th to the 29th. ... The nine people selected by the Republic of China this year are Lee Bu-ti,..." "奧林匹克研究院 夏季講座已揭幕" [Olympic Institute summer lectures have been launched].  United Daily News (in Chinese).  Central News Agency .  1973-07-20.  p. 8.  The article notes: "國際奧林匹克研究院第十三屆夏季講座，本日在雅典古城隆重舉行揭幕典禮。... 同時，由李武智率領的中華民國十人代表團，為參加本屆講應我國青年代表。" From Google Translate: "The 13th Summer Lecture of the International Olympic Institute was grandly opened today in the ancient city of Athens. ...At the same time, a ten-member delegation from the Republic of China, led by Lee Bu-ti, addressed our country's youth representatives for participating in this session.: "我派團參加 世界體操節" [The country sent a delegation to participate in the World Gymnastics Festival]. United Daily News (in Chinese). Central News Agency . 1975-06-28. p. 4. The article notes: "中華民國體操協會昨天決定派五人代表團前往西柏林，參加七月一日舉行的第六屆世界體操節大會。 我國代表團由體操協會監事陳朝傳領隊，秘書陳慧玲，團員是余思遠、李武智、陳慧穎。 " From Google Translate: "The Gymnastics Association of the Republic of China decided yesterday to send a five-member delegation to West Berlin to participate in the 6th World Gymnastics Festival Conference to be held on 1 July.  The country's delegation is led by Chen Chaochuan, Supervisor of the Gymnastics Association, and Chen Huiling, Secretary.  The members are Yu Siyuan, Lee Bu-ti, and Chen Huiying. " "奧運體操選手明在左營決選" [Olympic gymnast Ming in Zuoying finals]. United Daily News (in Chinese). 1975-12-26. p. 8. The article notes: "我國參加奧運會體操賽最後決選定明日起在左營舉行，將有十四名男女選手參加。 ... 目前，這十四名男女選手在教練李武智和助理教練薛美林指導之下，都有很大的進步，" From Google Translate: "The final selection of my country's participation in the Olympic gymnastics competition will be held in Zuoying from tomorrow, and 14 male and female athletes will participate.  ...  Currently, these fourteen male and female players have made great progress under the guidance of coach Lee Bu-ti and assistant coach Xue Meilin. " "我國柔道體操選手 將分別到日本受訓" [Taiwanese judo gymnasts will go to Japan for training]. United Daily News (in Chinese). 1976-02-22. p. 8. The article notes: "前往南非參加奧會體操會外賽的我國體操代表隊，定明天中午搭機取道香港返國。 ... 我國體操代表隊的名單：領隊董彭年，教練李武智，助理教練薛美林" From Google Translate: "The Taiwanese gymnastics team, which is going to South Africa to participate in the Olympic gymnastics qualifying competition, is scheduled to fly back to China via Hong Kong at noon tomorrow.  ...  List of Chinese gymnastics team: Team leader Dong Pengnian, coach Lee Bu-t, assistant coach Xue Meilin" There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Lee Bu-ti ( Chinese : 李武智 ) to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria , which says "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". Cunard ( talk ) 09:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep . WOW. I have no idea how Cunard finds this stuff, but it appears to demonstrate notability. BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 15:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Cunard : Do you think you might be able to add a few of the sources into the article? Thanks, BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 19:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I do not have time to add sources now but may do so later. Cunard ( talk ) 09:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete . All but one of the sources mentioned above are trivial passing mentions. The one that isn't is still far from the independent, secondary, non-routine SIGCOV required for sportsperson notability. "Through his connections, he met Lee Bu-ti, who was a physical education teacher at the American School in Taipei, and hired him as his liaison in China, hoping that he would facilitate this matter.  Lee Bu-ti was selected as our country's gymnast to participate in the Mexico Olympics.  His wife is American and also teaches at the Taipei American School.  Lee Bu-ti and Taipei Sports College baseball team coach Lin Minzheng were classmates in the Physical Education Department of the National Normal University, so he asked Lin Minzheng for help.  However, he did not disclose his relationship with the Cincinnati Reds to Lin Minzheng beforehand. " JoelleJay ( talk ) 22:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment: Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says: "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability. " The combination of these sources is enough to establish notability under Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria .  Cunard ( talk ) 09:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] And recent global consensus requires sportsperson biographies to cite at least one SIGCOV source in addition to the subject meeting GNG.  Sources in 1 are not significant.  Sources 5-14 are immediately eliminated as purely trivial passing mentions.  Sources 3 and 4 are routine and trivial, amounting to a couple sentences each in transactional news.  That leaves source 2, which is not enough to base a whole article on.  Can you find more sources that actually discuss the accomplishments he's supposed to be notable for in depth?  JoelleJay ( talk ) 08:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep – Per @ Cunard .  It is clear that WP:SIGCOV exists, the question is to translate the content appropriately.  Svartner ( talk ) 12:41, 20 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per references provided by Cunard which provide significant coverage that is far more than simple, routine passing mentions.  Frank Anchor 13:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Frank Anchor , which sources specifically?  JoelleJay ( talk ) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] All references from 2-14 above have multiple sentences of SIGCOV, which, when combined (as explicitly allowed by WP:ANYBIO ) provide enough to get past the GNG bar.   I disagree with JoelleJay's mischaracterizations of these sources as trivial passing mentions .  Frank Anchor 18:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Concur with this analysis.  Let'srun ( talk ) 23:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : Most of the sources per Cunard appear to contain the WP:SIGCOV needed to meet the WP:GNG as a BLP.  Let'srun ( talk ) 23:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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