Liu Chunhua (ice hockey): sourced to a database.  fails general notability guideline .  ltb d l ( talk ) 14:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople , Ice hockey ,  and China .  ltb d l ( talk ) 14:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per WP:NOLY .  China did not win any medal during these Olympics, plus I did not find any sourcing on this very particular character.  There might be a passing mention in the Beijing News, certainly not enough for their own article.  Conyo14 ( talk ) 19:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC) Edit: They didn't win any medal for women's ice hockey.  Conyo14 ( talk ) 23:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Conyo14 ( talk · contribs ) and ltbdl ( talk · contribs ), would you support a redirect to Ice hockey at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Women's team rosters#China per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion ?  Thank you, Cunard ( talk ) 11:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] gladly.  ltb d l ( talk ) 11:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Yeah, that's a better target.  Conyo14 ( talk ) 18:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Thank you both!  Cunard ( talk ) 05:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Olympics-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 20:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Collapsing comment: Extended content Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources .  The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria , which says: People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable , intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject .  If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.  Sources Weiner, Jay (2002-01-12).  "China's Town - Blaine, with its sod farms and soccer fields, is the perfect home for China's Olympic hockey team" .  Star Tribune .  Archived from the original on 2023-11-22 .  Retrieved 2023-11-22 .  The article notes: "Forward Liu Hongmei, the ubiquitous commercial Swoosh on her uniform's shoulder, passes crisply to linemates. ... said Liu Hongmei, China's top scorer, who can speak English. ... Back home in northeast China, it was 4 degrees Fahrenheit, and snowing. ... Captain Liu Hengmei, 29, the daughter of a security guard and a city maintenance worker, spent 2001 in Winnipeg, learning English." "China in tough to keep up with the pack" .  The Hockey News .  2002-02-15.  Archived from the original on 2023-11-22 .  Retrieved 2023-11-22 – via DiscountMags.  The article notes: "Player to Watch: Center Liu Hongmei, 28, is the Chinese women’s team’s answer to Wayne Gretzky. She was named China’s female athlete of the year in 1994 after scoring eight goals in just five games at the World Championship."  Fang, Xuefeng 房学峰 (2015-08-07).  "冬奥史话：冰花的绽放之女子冰球的故事" [Winter Olympics History: The Blooming of Ice Flowers: The Story of Women's Ice Hockey] (in Chinese).  Sina Corporation .  Archived from the original on 2023-11-22 .  Retrieved 2023-11-22 .  The article notes: "1992年，中国女冰首次参加世锦赛，19人的名单是： ... 刘红梅 ... 中国女冰有几位得到国际冰球界高度评价的明星球员，例如在1992年到2002年间效力于国家队的刘红梅，曾代表国家队参赛46场，进球27个、助攻17个，得分是44分" From Google Translate: "In 1992, the Chinese women's ice hockey team participated in the World Championships for the first time. The list of 19 players was: ... Liu Hongmei ... The Chinese women's ice hockey team has several star players who are highly praised by the international ice hockey community. For example, Liu Hongmei, who played for the national team from 1992 to 2002, represented the national team in 46 games, scoring 27 goals, 17 assists, and scoring 44 points."  Wang, Jingyu 王镜宇; Wang, Jianmin 王健民 (2002-02-21).  "遭遇严冬盼春天--从冬奥会透视中国女子冰球现状" [Encountering a harsh winter and looking forward to spring--A look at the current situation of Chinese women's ice hockey from the perspective of the Winter Olympics] (in Chinese).  Sina Corporation .  Xinhua News Agency .  Archived from the original on 2023-11-22 .  Retrieved 2023-11-22 .  The article notes: "昨天下午依靠老将刘红梅的1粒金球2：1艰难战胜哈萨克斯坦队之后，中国女子冰球队以1胜1平3负、排名第七的成绩结束了在盐湖城冬奥会上的旅程。... 老将刘红梅忍着肩伤的疼痛不知疲倦地在对方门前寻觅战机，" From Google Translate: "After defeating Kazakhstan 2:1 with a golden goal from veteran Liu Hongmei yesterday afternoon, the Chinese women's ice hockey team ended its journey at the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics with 1 win, 1 draw and 3 losses, ranking seventh. ... Veteran Liu Hongmei endured the pain of her shoulder injury and worked tirelessly to look for opportunities in front of the opponent's goal." "金球险胜哈萨克斯坦 我女冰获冬奥会第七" [Golden ball narrowly beat Kazakhstan, my female ice skater won seventh place in Winter Olympics].  Tianjin Daily [ zh ] (in Chinese).  Xinhua News Agency .  2002-02-21.  The article notes: "终场前４６秒时，中国队名将刘红梅在裁判漏判对方一次越位的情况下犯规，结果使场上出现中国队以３人对５人的不利局面。... 加时赛一开始，中国队又在以少打多的情况下坚守了１分１４秒。挡住了对方的猛烈进攻后，刚刚从“球监”中被解放出来的刘红梅在加时赛进行到１分３９秒时近距离射门成功，使哈萨克斯坦队“突然死亡”。进球后刘红梅激动地扑倒在冰面上，洒下了热泪。赛后，这位在本届冬奥会上为中国队打入３球的老将说：“我当时的感情很复杂。本来我们不用打加时赛就能取胜。进球之后我想，终于赢了，实在是太不容易了。”" From Google Translate: "With 46 seconds before the end, the Chinese team's star player Liu Chunhua fouled when the referee missed an offside call. As a result, the Chinese team was in an unfavorable situation with 3 players against 5 players. ... At the beginning of the overtime, the Chinese team held on for 1 minute and 14 seconds with less and more. After blocking the opponent's fierce attack, Liu Hongmei, who had just been liberated from the "ball monitor", successfully shot from close range at 1 minute and 39 seconds into the overtime, causing the Kazakhstan team to "suddenly die". After the goal, Liu Hongmei threw herself on the ice in excitement and shed tears. After the game, the veteran who scored 3 goals for the Chinese team in this Winter Olympics said: "I had very complicated feelings at the time.  Originally we could win without overtime.  After scoring the goal, I thought, we finally won.  Yes, it’s really not easy. ”" "Golden Goal Gives China 1st Win and 7th Place in Olympic Ice Hockey.  Veteran forward Liu Hongmei's golden goal in the over-time awarded the Chinese women a 2-1 victory over Kazakhstan and a seventh place finish in the ice hockey competition of the 19th Winter Olympic Games here on Tuesday" . People's Daily . 2002-02-20. Archived from the original on 2023-11-22 . Retrieved 2023-11-22 . The article notes: "Veteran forward Liu Hongmei's golden goal in the over-time awarded the Chinese women a 2-1 victory over Kazakhstan and a seventh place finish in the ice hockey competition of the 19th Winter Olympic Games here on Tuesday.  ...  Liu, who scored twice in China's 5-5 draw with Germany on Saturday, notched her third goal of the games with a quick slap shot amid a scramble before the Kazakhstan goal at 1:39 in the extra time, giving China the first victory in the eight-squad women's ice hockey tournament.  ... the 30-year-old Liu said after the game.  ...  With 46 seconds remaining in the third period and China already short-handed, Liu was sent to the box for hooking ... who tied with Liu as China's top scorer at the Games, ..." "中国女冰急待援兵" [Chinese female ice hockey team urgently awaits reinforcements]. 中国消费者报 [ China Consumer Daily ] (in Chinese). 2003-02-13. The article notes: "盐湖城冬奥会后哈尔滨队中有包括守门员郭宏和锋线杀手刘红梅两位当家主力在内的5名选手退役，致使全队实力受损，" From Google Translate: "After the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics, five players from the Harbin team, including goalkeeper Guo Hong and striker Liu Hongmei, retired, which damaged the team's strength. " There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Liu Hongmei ( simplified Chinese : 刘红梅 ; traditional Chinese : 劉紅梅 ), also known as Liu Chunhua, to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria , which says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". Cunard ( talk ) 10:24, 22 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Withdrawing and collapsing comment. These sources are for a different person, Liu Hongmei . I was confused by this edit , which had incorrectly added "刘红梅" to the lead but had correctly added "刘春华" ( Liu Hongmei ) to the infobox. Cunard ( talk ) 11:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Ice hockey at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Women's team rosters#China (with the history preserved under the redirect) per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion . This is the only source I can find about the subject that provides more than a passing mention: Ci, Xin 慈鑫 (2015-04-13). "中国女子冰球输不掉的队魂" [The unbeatable team spirit of Chinese women’s ice hockey]. China Youth Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-11-23 . Retrieved 2023-11-23 . The article notes: "哈尔滨体育学院女子冰球队教练刘春华向记者表示。 ... 两个多月前，因为带队参加世界大学生冬季运动会，刘春华作为哈尔滨体育学院的教练，与中国女冰的这批年轻队员有过一次朝夕相处的密切接触，加上刘春华也是1998年中国女冰获得冬奥会第四名时的主力队员，她对现在这些年轻队员更有一种天然的亲近感。 " From Google Translate: "Liu Chunhua, coach of the women's ice hockey team of Harbin Institute of Physical Education, told reporters...  More than two months ago, because he led the team to participate in the World University Winter Games, Liu Chunhua, as the coach of Harbin Institute of Physical Education, had a close relationship with the Chinese women's ice hockey team.  These young players on the ice have had close contact with each other day and night.  In addition, Liu Chunhua was also a main player when the Chinese women's ice hockey team won fourth place in the Winter Olympics in 1998.  She has a natural affinity with these young players now. " There is insufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Liu Chunhua ( simplified Chinese : 刘春华 ; traditional Chinese : 劉春華 ) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline , which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".  A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article.  A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future.  Cunard ( talk ) 11:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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