Colm Ó Snodaigh: I don't think the addition was malicious - rather, this article looks like it has been written by someone close to the subject, and is being used more like a Facebook page than a Wikipedia article.  Almost none of the content is sourced, and what sourcing there is is of the 'Wordpress blog' type.  I considered improving the sourcing and stripping it back to a stub that would be compliant with WP:V , but looking for sources I'm coming up rather thin.  This looks like an independent review of his writing, but I'm not seeing a lot else that would point towards independent notability independent of his involvement in the group Kíla .  So, I wanted to get the community's opinion on whether the subject is notable before working on stripping it back.  Girth Summit (blether) 18:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Ireland .  Girth Summit (blether) 18:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep There is an article about him in the Irish Independent .  He is also in this RTE broadcast , but it is in Gaelic so I can't understand what he is saying.  GoldenBootWizard276 ( talk ) 20:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC) Redirect to Kíla Non notable musician.  GoldenBootWizard276 ( talk ) 17:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] That's not an article about him, it's an interview - those are problematic, as set out at WP:INTERVIEW - it's a reliable source, but it's not not really secondary , so it doesn't necessarily help us get very far.  I can't get past the paywall, and I guess it's possible that there's a substantial chunk of text that talks about him in the third person, but if it's all just questions/answers then it doesn't help establish that he's independently notable (in a BANDMEMBER sense).  I'm assuming that the same goes for that short RTE broadcast, but we'd need an Irish Gaelic speaker to comment on that.  Girth Summit (blether) 20:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Girth Summit @ GoldenBootWizard276 .  The radio interview is basically a monologue about soccer.  He talks about dreaming about being scouted by Liverpool, the importance of a support circle, how he knew lads who went pro but burnt out.  He talks about how he got a trial with Shamrock Rovers, and played with them for a while but was ultimately dropped.  Overall it's probably not relevant or notable.  In my opinion speaking on an Irish language radio broadcast isn't massively notable as there aren't that many notable fluent Irish speakers available to fill airtime.  I'll weigh in on the deletion discussion when I've time to go over the article and cited sources.  Boardwalk.Koi ( talk ) 22:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Thanks, Boardwalk.Koi - that's useful context, I appreciate your input.  Girth Summit (blether) 22:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Kíla .  The claims to notability in the article are entirely unsupported (and frankly more than a little questionable - "junior C hurler [with a bad knee]"? "Class 2 tennis player for Sandymount tennis club in the under 19 summer league"? Even if these were supported they almost read like a bit of a joke.) The coverage identified by GoldenBootWizard276 (an interview by the regional Wicklow People (not, I note, the national Irish Independent ) and an interview by Raidió na Gaeltachta ) both relate to his membership of Kíla.  And, even if they were not both WP:INTERVIEWS , would not contribute much/anything to a claim to independent notability.  (Note: Given, frankly, the questionable and unsupported material in the article -indistinguishable from jokes/hoaxes- I have added this title to my watchlist.)  Guliolopez ( talk ) 20:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] A redirect would be an eminently sensible alternative to deletion.  Given the nature of the oversighted content, and the likelihood that the person who has been maintaining and embellishing this page for years would revert the redirect, I would recommend that the redirect be indef ECP protected.  Girth Summit (blether) 21:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Kila .  I think @ Guliolopez said it all really.  No substantiated claim to notability.  Boardwalk.Koi ( talk ) 14:38, 21 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Kila , as not notable distinct from the band.  And yes, a role in a serious band (and Kila are very much notable in these parts) is something, but we have a way to handle that, under which a few lines in the band article could expand on the person, even a whole paragraph.  The publication bit is OK, but these are not clearly notable publications.  Second string sporting activities don't count, and should only appear, if at all, in a full-length bio going deep on the main reasons for notability (min. 8 paragraphs before even considering such near-trivia, I'd say).  The problemmatic past handling of this article in a way highlights the issue - if there'd been better material, it would probably have (been) surfaced by now.  SeoR ( talk ) 15:30, 23 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Kila per above.  Spleodrach ( talk ) 09:09, 26 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: redirect