Starfleet Academy : BEFORE shows nothing but plot summaries and an occasional reference to video games, upcoming TV show or some comic books.  For  now this probably should be a disambig page.  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 13:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements , Science fiction and fantasy ,  and Television .  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 13:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Dabify as per nom.  While the article as it stands is an extremely crufty in-universe-style discussion of a fictional locale, the extensive hatnoting does lend it to being turned into a disambiguation page.  Notably, while the current hatnote simply links to List of Star Trek novels , I can see that being fleshed out into an entire Novels and Novel Series section in a Starfleet Academy dab page.  𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( talk ) 15:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment without looking at the page, Starfleet Academy is a fictional setting in an exceptionally well documented fictional universe.  It appears in, or is referenced by, multiple TV series, movies, novels, and games of various stripes.  While the Star Trek universe doesn't have the ridiculous amount of academic coverage the Buffyverse has, I'm relatively certain that a thorough search will identify enough to build a single, comprehensive article something like Iron Man , with possible other WP:SS children to cover its appearance in particular media when such appearances are themselves worthy of an article.  Jclemens ( talk ) 16:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Ok, now more comments: First, the current state of an article can't "fail the GNG" per NEXIST.  A topic either fails or passes GNG, and the topic clearly passes.  Unfortunately, DUE means that to have an article on Starfleet Academy as a supertopic, most of it is going to have to be about the upcoming TV show(s), because that's what RSes are overwhelmingly covering.  Not particularly happy about that, because I think there's a lot more to it than that.  Our coverage of Kobayashi Maru , for instance, has RS references to officer training at Starfleet Academy, some of which could be integrated into an ideal article on this topic.  Jclemens ( talk ) 21:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] To be clear, the first part of your argument to seems to counter an argument never made.  They never claimed "the current state" isn't notable, or anything violating NEXIST.  They simply stated that the subject, as is right now, is not notable, but that there's hope for future coverage to develop because the franchise is active.  Big difference.  Sergecross73 msg me 16:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment - Undecided so far, but with an endless number of Star Trek article and it easily being a plausible search term, I would think merging and/or redirecting would be the right way to go here over outright deletion.  Sergecross73 msg me 18:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Starfleet#Starfleet Academy .  Minor fancruft, though I would not doubt Starfleet itself is a notable subject.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ ) 19:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Good call.  I don't edit the content area and didn't realize that article existed.  Sergecross73 msg me 20:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Starfleet#Starfleet Academy .  Too little content/coverage to sustain a standalone article, but there is a plausible search term and place to work on improving it too.  Sergecross73 msg me Redirect to Starfleet#Starfleet Academy .  This isn't treated as a separate topic by sources.  I would support a WP:HATNOTE for any additional disambiguation.  Shooterwalker ( talk ) 21:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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