Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association: No WP:SIGCOV found on a WP:BEFORE .  WikiOriginal-9 ( talk ) 03:02, 13 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Arts , Organizations , Business ,  and Hong Kong .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 03:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] comment I've added a bit to the article, not enough to make it across the line.  May have another go later but if other editors want to build on this it's a start.  Note that Chinese wikipedia doesn't seem to have an article.  Oblivy ( talk ) 04:04, 13 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Thank you for your excellent work improving the article, Oblivy ( talk · contribs )!  Cunard ( talk ) 11:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Not finding anything in English that would come close to WPORG needs and it may just be that there isn't enough about them, however flagging for @ Cunard : as if anyone can find Chinese-language sourcing, they can.  Star Mississippi 13:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment: Great to see you, Star Mississippi ( talk · contribs ), and thank you for the ping!  Cunard ( talk ) 11:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources .  Selection of sources: "Arts of Asia article" .  Arts of Asia .  Vol.  37.  2007.  p. 8 .  Retrieved 2023-11-17 – via Google Books .  The article notes: "香港藝術品商會慶祝中華人民共和國成立 57 周年聯警宴會 The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association Limited annual dinner to celebrate China's National day (1st October ). ... When the Association was founded on November 26th, 1968, it had 182 members and its membership has now expanded to over 300. For many years it has made great efforts to strengthen the ties amongst its members, and raising the standards of local dealers in Chinese arts and antiquities. Through the issuance of Certificates of Antiquity, the Association has increased the confidence of local collectors and heightened the interest of overseas buyers of antiques and works of art, thereby helping to establish Hong Kong as the ... Association members and guests stand while China's anthem is played during the National Day banquet dinner at the Metropolitan Restaurant centre of Oriental art and culture. Long, Pat (2022-01-07). "趣淘宝(156)：从同治粉彩"五子夺魁"双囍连盖粉盒看古董收藏" [Taobao (156): Look at the antique collection from the Tongzhi pastel "Five Sons Win the First Prize" double-necked powder box with lid]. Chinese Canadian Voice (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-11-17 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 . The article notes from Google Translate: "When the Hong Kong Art Merchants Association was established in 1968, it decided to set up an Antiques Appraisal Committee (Authentication Committee).  The Appraisal Committee is composed of industry elites and recruits experts and scholars as consultants.  In the 1970s, then-US President Richard Nixon’s visit to China opened a new chapter in the friendly exchanges between China and the United States.  ...  To this day, the appraisal certificate from the Hong Kong Art Merchants Association is still an important document that can be used as evidence in court.  The scope of appraisal includes ceramics, jade, bronze, bamboo, calligraphy and painting, lacquerware, materials, embroidery, stone carvings, snuff bottles, miscellaneous items, etc.  .  Over the past half century, the Hong Kong Art Merchants Association has appraised more than one million pieces of art.  The credibility of the antique appraisal certificates issued by the Appraisal Committee is well-known at home and abroad.  It is an antique certification certificate recognized by many countries’ customs, ministries of commerce, and judicial agencies.  Extremely professional and authoritative. " "【業界精英】翟健民膺香港藝術品商會理事長" [[Industry Elite] William Chak was elected chairman of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association]. Wen Wei Po (in Chinese). 2018-02-07. Archived from the original on 2023-11-17 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 . The article notes from Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Art Merchants Association was established in 1968 and has become a non-profit organisation with hundreds of members.  It has always been aimed at serving the society, promoting the development of the handicraft industry, and promoting Chinese culture, and serves its members and all walks of life.  Members include businesses, factories, associations, auction companies and cultural relic enthusiasts operating or related to the antiques and crafts industry, including many industry elites and famous stores.  The AB Certificate (Antique Appraisal Certificate) issued by the Merchants Association enables fellow goods exported to Europe, America, Japan and other places to enjoy tax-free discounts.  Traders in the industry have also been able to contact their counterparts in the Mainland through merchants associations to facilitate the purchase of goods. " Mak, Mak 麥默 (2018-09-26). Lo, Jing-wan 羅縈韻 (ed.). "【商會大慶】藝術品商會五十周年 服務香港業界半世紀" [[Merchants Association Big Celebration] The 50th Anniversary of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association. It has served the Hong Kong industry for half a century]. Wen Wei Po (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-11-17 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 . The article notes from Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association was established in 1968.  Over the past 50 years, under the leadership of successive heads of the Merchants Association and a group of directors and supervisors, the Merchants Association has always adhered to patriotism and Hong Kong, and has made positive contributions to the country's opening up to the outside world and the prosperity and stability of Hong Kong ...  The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association is a non-profit social organisation whose members come from businesses, factories, societies, auction companies and antique enthusiasts that operate or are related to the antiques and crafts industry.  The Merchants Association is a non-profit association with members from relevant industries.  Fifty years ago, the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association was founded by Tan Pin, Cai Yubai, and Luo Shaoping; the founding members were ...  The successive presidents ..."  Fok, Yeung-yeung 霍揚揚 (2020). 獅子山上的新月: 香港華人穆斯林社群的源流與傳承 [ The Lion Rock's Crescent: The Emergency of the Chinese Muslim community in Hong Kong ] (in Chinese). Taipei: Showwe Information 秀威資訊科技. p. 143. ISBN 978-986-326-843-7 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 . The book notes: "對於聚居在尖沙嘴的北方穆斯林而言,九龍清真寺是一個聯繫社群生活的空間。 由於大部分聚居當地的穆斯林都是從事古玩 玉石生意的商人,他們為了進一步凝聚行業的力量,故在1968年 時成立了「香港藝術品商會」。 該會由穆斯林商人譚品三、蔡毓 伯及羅少平三人發起,並由金寶銳任第一屆理事長。 他自1968 年起擔任該會的理事長直至1983年。 該會以「服務社會,推動古 玩工藝品行業發展,弘揚中華文化。 」為宗旨”。 該會與內地維 持緊密和良好的關係,在創會後便經常籌組赴內地的貿易交流團及到廣州參與中國進出口商品交易會。 " From Google Translate: "For northern Muslims living in Tsim Sha Tsui, the Kowloon Mosque is a space that connects community life.  Since most of the Muslims living in the local area are merchants engaged in the antiques and jade business, in order to further unite the strength of the industry, they established the "Hong Kong Art Merchants Association" in 1968.  The association was initiated by Muslim businessmen Tan Pinsan, Cai Yubo and Luo Shaoping, with Jin Baorui as the first chairman.  He served as the association's president from 1968 until 1983.  The association's purpose is to "serve the society, promote the development of the antiques and handicrafts industry, and promote Chinese culture."  The association maintains a close and good relationship with the mainland.  After its establishment, it often organizes trade exchange groups to the mainland and to Guangzhou.  Participate in the China Import and Export Fair. " Additional sources, including passing mentions and coverage of the association's events: Bielfeldt, Kathrin; Wong, Raymond (2016). 111 Places in Hong Kong that you shouldn't miss: Reiseführer . Cologne: Emons Verlag [ de ] . ISBN 978-3-96041-172-7 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 – via Google Books . The book provides a passing mention. The book notes: "Arch Angel's manager director is a member of the Antique Board of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association, which assesses antiques and issues a certificate of authenticity. " "香港藝術品商會舉辦癸卯年春節聯歡宴會暨第25屆理監事就職典禮" [The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association held the Guimao Spring Festival Gala Banquet and the 25th Inauguration Ceremony of Directors and Supervisors]. Wen Wei Po (in Chinese). 2023-03-28. Archived from the original on 2023-11-17 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 . The article discusses the attendees and events of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association's Spring Festival Gala Banquet. "香港藝術品商會國慶聯歡喜氣洋溢" [Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association's National Day celebration is filled with joy]. Wen Wei Po (in Chinese). 2023-10-11. Archived from the original on 2023-11-17 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 . The article discusses the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association's banquet to celebrate the 74th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China. Tang, Tsun-cheung 鄧傳鏘; Yuen, Lok-man 袁樂雯 (2018-04-05). "【信報月刊】吳繼遠：名家多膺品 便宜莫貪" [[Hong Kong Economic Journal Monthly] Kai-yuen Ng: Famous artists have many pieces that have been faked. Don't cut corners.]. Hong Kong Economic Journal (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-11-17 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 . The article provides a passing mention. The article notes: "In addition to being an old expert in antiques and art trading, Kai-yuen Ng is also a well-known appraisal expert in the industry.  He is currently the vice president of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association and the deputy director of the Antiques Appraisal Committee, helping the merchants association in appraising artworks. " Nguyet, Tuyet (January–February 2007). "Editorial" (PDF) . Arts of Asia . Archived from the original (PDF) on 2007-01-24 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 . The article mentions the association in a caption. The caption notes: "The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association Limited annual dinner to celebrate China’s National day (1st October).  Chairman Chong Chin Sheng Henry in the centre leads the official toast.  The Association’s senior members are Vice Chairmen Wang Chung Chiu James, Chak Kin Man, K.Y. Ng, Lau Wai Nin; Chairmen of the Supervisory Committee Liang Chung Kong, Lo Kwok Kwan, Lan Sin Yan; Vice Chairmen of Boards of Life Directors Chan Hok Chung, Chen Peng Hsiang; and Executive Committee members Lam Shing Chau, Sien Shu Hung, Lam Chun Wing, Fung Ying Chu, Chan Kin Chung and Yung Wai Kwan" Wong, Yuet-san 王玥晨 (2023-05-23). "第13屆香港國際古玩展 細賞中外藝術瑰寶 現場古玩鑑定 茶器講座" [The 13th Hong Kong International Antiques Fair Appreciating Chinese and Foreign Art Treasures On-site Antique Appraisal Tea Ware Lecture] (in Chinese). HK01 . Archived from the original on 2023-11-17 . Retrieved 2023-11-17 . The article notes from Google Translate: "Do you have a family heirloom or personal collection at home and want to identify its authenticity?  You may wish to bring your antiques to the venue on May 27.  At that time, a domestic expert team and the appraisal committee of the Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association will provide you with professional appraisal services.  This is a rare opportunity.  The Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association will provide professional appraisal services on the 27th.  Interested friends can bring antiques for appraisal. " There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Hong Kong Art Craft Merchants Association ( traditional Chinese : 香港藝術品商會有限公司 ; simplified Chinese : 香港艺术品商会有限公司 ) to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria , which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".  Cunard ( talk ) 11:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Can we see a further assessment on recently found sources?  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  04:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep I have added two of the sources above to the article.  These are the Lion Rock's Crescent article which explains the founding, and the Chinese Canadian Voice article.   Both have significant coverage of the organization.  The Wen Wei Po article are lengthy but it seems like they were written based on information from the company.   Arts of Asia is also substantial but very press-release like.   The others are, as @ Cunard says, passing mentions.  Oblivy ( talk ) 14:26, 22 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per the sourcing Cunard identified.  As they noted, not all is in depth, but of what is, it's sufficient for WP:ORG.  (And Cunard, thank you as always!)  Star Mississippi 13:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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