Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election: No opinion polls for the next election have been held since then and are unlikely to be held for a while.  A case of WP:TOO SOON John B123 ( talk ) 08:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and United Kingdom .  John B123 ( talk ) 08:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Given that the UK is a large developed country, the first opinion polls for this topic are bound to be published in less than two weeks.  Castroonthemoon ( talk ) 08:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep I have been viewing these UK opinion polling pages daily for a long time, including periods a long way before a general election.  I am interested in long-term trends and (polling) reactions to events.  For example, I would like to see polling reacions in the first weeks AFTER the general election (now!) to get an idea of the public's reaction to the election result.  Please keep these pages and allow them to be updated as they were up until the general election.  This page is very useful.  Hill Vista ( talk ) 09:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC) — Hill Vista ( talk • contribs ) has made few or no other edits outside this topic [ reply ] Keep If you look at the first polling following the 12th December 2019 General Election, it took place within a month of the election.  It doesn't make any sense to delete this article merely because there haven't been any polls within the first nine days.  There were also several polls within the first month after both 2017 and 2015 elections.  LarryJayCee ( talk ) 20:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : Opinion polling has begun and is on the article (party approval rating and leader approval rating).  If we delete this article now it'll only be recreated in a week or two anyway as wider polling resumes.  I'm not sure I see the point in deleting an article that will inevitably be recreated soon after.   — Czello ( music ) 08:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] At this stage party approval ratings and leader approval ratings are a reflection of peoples opinion of the last election not the next election.  -- John B123 ( talk ) 08:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] This sounds like WP:OR , especially given that the polls took place after the election.  — Czello ( music ) 10:50, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I agree.  Also the sooner that the page is put in place, the better as this will ensure that early opinion polls after the last election are included and therefore any trends in polling from that date will be better defined for viewers looking for the data in a few years time.  Crdent ( talk ) 08:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete clearly doesn't meet WP:GNG , which is what is relevant here.  Traumnovelle ( talk ) 09:18, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] That's a bizarre statement.   There are such articles for every general election going back some time.  2601:5C6:8180:BAD0:D093:4127:6C22:827C ( talk ) 18:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Next United Kingdom general election#Opinion polling for now and recreate article when more polling has been completed and the results published.  Redtree21 ( talk ) 09:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect Per Redtree21 It will take a while before there will be enough data to merit a standalone article, until then it should be merged into Next United Kingdom general election#Opinion polling N1TH Music ( talk ) 10:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , no point in deleting it when it will simply be recreated again in a short while.  G-13114 ( talk ) 14:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Fish and chips condiment if it keeps getting remade WP:TOOSOON ?  This sounds like it shouldn’t be too hard to drum up a draft, and convince a mop to give it the go ahead, when the time and resource is right.  MM (Give me info.) (Victories) 22:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect as suggested above until there are polls to include.  Dclemens1971 ( talk ) 14:50, 13 July 2024 (UTC) Keep now that an election opinion poll has been released and added to the page.  Dclemens1971 ( talk ) 20:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] There are already four polls in there.  — Czello ( music ) 09:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] But none of those are opinion polls for the next election.  As the article clearly states: As of 12 July 2024, no voting intent opinion polls have yet been published since the 2024 general election -- John B123 ( talk ) 09:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The page isn't titled 'voting intention opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election'. Approval rating polls are on the page, since it is a page about polling related to the next election. All of the polls on the page are opinion polls. Benocalla2 ( talk ) 14:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The page is entitled Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election . None of the polls are related to that. -- John B123 ( talk ) 14:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] So then your argument should first be we shouldn't include approval polls (which talk pages would reject, since they are polls relating to opinion), before you argue we delete a page which will be recreated soon after.  Talk pages exist to weed out these debates, you can't just nominate a page for deletion because you disagree with what's included Benocalla2 ( talk ) 17:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I've nominated the page for deletion firstly because there are no opinion polls for the next election yet.  The polls you mention are supplemental to the main subject of the page.  Secondly, as there are no opinion polls for the next election, there can be no references for them to establish WP:GNG (A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject).  Without GNG there can be no article.  The fact that almost certainly there will be polls in the future is irrelevant, at the present time the article does not meet the notability requirements.  John B123 ( talk ) 17:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] On the topic of GNG, as it's been brought up more than once now – on a technical level that could be argued, but realistically it's simply not true.  Yes, opinion polling will always be notable, even if the 'main' opinion polling, (rather than approval ratings) has not begun yet.  It's difficult to argue this fails GNG when we all know the article will be recreated in a week or two anyway.  Deleting it on this technicality seems to run afoul of WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY .   — Czello ( music ) 17:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Benocalla2 Generally, there is a separate article for leadership approval polling.  But that’s besides the main point, there’s all of 4 polls, there is no reason this can’t be merged into the also small article for the general election itself until there are at least a couple dozen voting intent polls.  Its simply easier to manage.  N1TH Music ( talk ) 15:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy redirect For goodness sake, do not create articles that have literally zero content about the actual subject just to have an article.  This belongs in the main article until actually warranted.  Reywas92 Talk 14:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] There is not "literally zero content".  Four polls are already in there.  — Czello ( music ) 09:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] But those 4 polls are not Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election which is the page title, so in relation the the page title "literally zero content" is a fair comment. -- John B123 ( talk ) 14:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , as suggested above by G-13114 , there's very little reason to delete this article when in a matter of days it'll probably have more poll entries on it than your typical NZ election would have in total by the end of their government's 3 year term.  This in addition to the fact that despite not being any post-election voting intention polls as of yet, there already exist a handful of leadership rating polls conducted after the election on the page already.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeahnamate ( talk • contribs ) 15:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : article will obviiously become more important over the next 4-5 years (after which it will becone a historical record) - why delete something that would inevitably have to be created and why waste other editor's time?  Roy Bateman ( talk ) 05:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] • Keep, there's little reason to delete the article since it will be recreated within a week of its deletion.  The article shouldn't have been created before any VI polling was done, however that isn't justification to delete it.  There are still opinion polls on the page (party and leadership approval) and such it still fulfils the title purpose.  This discussion is a waste of time, and it is preventing editors from actually contributing to wikipedia.  Opinion polls aren't just voting intention, they are polls asking for public opinion.  Benocalla2 ( talk ) 14:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Next United Kingdom general election for now and recreate article when more polling has been completed and the results published.  217.79.149.203 ( talk ) 17:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , as it's abundantly clear that it won't be long until this is definitely a justified page to have.   It's not as if there's a chance that there will never be justification for this page.  146.90.4.163 ( talk ) 17:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : Almost certain that this will change within the next fortnight, not to mention other means of polling, if not approval data, listed upon the page; Having acknowledged that there are no apparent documents of official opinion polling as of yet, it is suffice to say further shall become available shortly.  Temporarily deleting the article until recreation after opinion polling is published is simply beyond futile.  TheRevisionary ( talk ) 13:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : this article will be relevant later; there is no point deleting this, as polling will appear within 4 weeks.  This would be better rather than deleting this and creating this again.  Gordonltycall ( talk ) 16:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC) — Gordonltycall ( talk • contribs ) has made few or no other edits outside this topic [ reply ] Keep.  There is now national VI polling and there will be more in the coming weeks.  CipherRephic ( talk ) 17:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment @ Dclemens1971 and CipherRephic : The WeThink poll recently added to the page is a poll on the last election not the next one.  As far as I'm aware there are still no polls for the next election.  Whilst at some stage in the future, when several relevant polls have been carried out, this will be a valid article, at present it fails the WP:GNG notability guidelines.  From WP:CLOSEAFD : Consensus is not based on a tally of votes, but on reasonable, logical, policy-based arguments .  Arguments such as little reason to delete the article since it will be recreated within a week of its deletion are not policy based.  So the work editors have already put into the article is not lost, I would suggest the article is draftified until sufficient polls have been carried out to enable it to pass WP:GNG .  -- John B123 ( talk ) 22:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Scroll down halfway on the WeThink poll.  It was fielded July 11-12 and included a question on future voting intention.  I had no problem with this page existing once polls were available to include on it so I see no reason not to keep now.  And of course the work on the article would not be lost with a redirect, but that expedient is no longer necessary.  Dclemens1971 ( talk ) 23:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The WeThink poll is not, in fact, "a poll on the last election."  The fieldwork was conducted on the 11th and 12th of July, several days after the election, and while it asked some questions on the intricacies of voting behaviour going into the election, the section used by the article - the VI polling - covers the next election.  CipherRephic ( talk ) 23:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Dclemens1971 and CipherRephic : Thanks for the clarification, I only read the first part of the article which is about the last election.  -- John B123 ( talk ) 06:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep.  The first poll has already come out at this point.  If it was deleted, it wouldn't be long before it was recreated anyway.  DarkHorse234 ( talk ) 09:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep there is no reason to delete an article for the small period of time in between the last election and the first poll.  SportingFlyer T · C 10:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Never too soon 82.2.138.124 ( talk ) 21:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep.  As polling companies are starting to conduct opinion polls again, the article is already to take shape.  — Paul1337 ( talk ) 22:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep.  I see no reason for deletion whatsoever 82.33.38.15 ( talk ) 13:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] There has already been one poll conducted and published per BPC rules.  The argument is thusly null and void.  DogTwo ( talk ) 12:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment It's obvious that this isn't going to be deleted, it's just wasting people's time.  Isn't it time to put this to bed now?  This should never have been reopened.  G-13114 ( talk ) 17:57, 18 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Frankly, it is ridiculous to suggest deleting this.  Likewise any other such pages which show op.polls for a national election.  2.68.82.235 ( talk ) 18:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep We already have polling for the next election coming out.  This AFD was TOOSOON.  FOARP ( talk ) 10:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge and Redirect to Next United Kingdom general election .  Both articles are small: "Next United Kingdom general election" is just over 14000 bytes large and "Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election" is just over 13000 bytes.  Compare those to this AfD which prior to my edit stood at 18000 bytes, and infact the AfD would have 1000 more words than the just under 1500 words a combined election and opinion polling article would have, and therefore it would be better for the time being to have one article covering both of these related topics, and there is no reason to WP:SPLIT them (with the words count being less than a quarter of the 6000 suggested as a baseline to start splitting articles based on length), rather it is inconvient to do this because it means we are separating out the two topics.  To my knowledge, there is not enough notable information about either topic that would significantly lengthen either article.  Some editors have commented that other elections have separate opinion poll articles, but WP:Other stuff exists points out this is not a good argument by itself, and the argument fails to recognise that other opinion polling articles have hundreds if not thousands of opinion polls and other surveys described in them, while the one in question has 1 opinion poll and a few surveys.  Another point being made is along the lines of "there's no point deleting it now because it will just be recreated in the future".  This argument seems  a) to suggest it's difficult to recreate articles, which it isn't and  b) to be an argument focused entirely on what will be best in the future, and not what is best now.  So, for the short term, it would be best to have one article with all the verifiable information about the next UK general election, as there is not enough information to merit needing two articles.  This will almost certainly change (although probably not as Czello says in a week or two as only a handful of polls would be published by then most likely), but I'm thinking about the here and now.  To summarise, a list of a handful of opinion polls/surveys does not merit being a separate article.  -- T ed E dwards 16:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep