Meritt North: The main notability claim on the table here is that her work exists, which is not automatic grounds for an article -- the notability test doesn't hinge on doing stuff per se, it hinges on the amount of third-party coverage and analysis that has or hasn't been paid to the stuff she did in WP:GNG -worthy sources like media or books.  But this is referenced entirely to primary sources that are not support for notability at all -- audiobook narration and writing credits sourced to the works' presence on online bookstores, acting credits sourced to her own self-published acting résumé, volunteer work sourced to the self-published websites of directly affiliated organizations, and I've already stripped a good half-dozen citations to IMDb on the grounds of IMDb not being a reliable source -- with not a whit of GNG-building coverage about her in reliable sources shown at all.  You don't make a writer notable by sourcing her books to Amazon as evidence that they exist , you make a writer notable by sourcing her books to reviews of the books by professional literary critics in newspapers or magazines as evidence that they got significant attention .  You don't make an actress notable by sourcing her acting roles to IMDb or her own résumé, you make an actress notable by sourcing her acting roles to reviews of the films or television shows that singled her performance out for third-party analysis .  And on and so forth.  Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have better referencing than this.  Bearcat ( talk ) 13:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers , Authors ,  and United States of America .  Bearcat ( talk ) 13:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Dear Bearcat, I appreciate the opportunity to address the concerns raised about the citations supporting the role of Krystle Minkoff as an actress.  It is important to ensure that the information on Wikipedia is both accurate and verifiable.  Regarding the citations numbered 12-17, I would like to emphasize that these sources are independently verified and adequately support her credited role as an actress under her given legal name, Krystle Minkoff.  These credits are also reflected on IMDb, which follows strict guidelines for crediting individuals in the entertainment industry.  It is important to note that the aim should be to enhance the quality of information on Wikipedia, not to indiscriminately nominate entire articles for deletion due to issues with specific sections or titles.  Each piece of information should be evaluated on its own merits and improved where necessary.  There are numerous citations that document her work as an actress, voice actress, and author under both Meritt North and Krystle Minkoff.  These sources collectively substantiate her contributions and career, aligning with Wikipedia’s standards for verifiability and notability.  I hope this clarifies the situation, and I am open to working collaboratively to address any specific concerns you may have to ensure the information remains reliable and well-documented.  Best regards, ScorpioKLM Mooresklm2016 ( talk ) 14:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] If there is room for improvement or a few items that you absolutely insist must be removed, let's work together to resolve them.  I don't think that just because you may take issue with one or a couple items, that the entire page is not useful, informational, and in the public interest.  ScorpioKLM Mooresklm2016 ( talk ) 14:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Again: we are not looking for simple verification that she had acting roles.  The notability test for an actress is not passed by listing acting roles, it's passed by showing evidence that people without a vested interest in her career (namely journalists and film critics) have assessed her performances as being significant enough to analyze in prose .  Such as reviews of the films or television shows which singled her performances out for attention, or journalist-written news articles profiling her.  The notability test for a Wikipedia article is not "did stuff", it's "had independent third-party attention and analysis bestowed upon the stuff that she did by people who weren't just being paid to publicize her".  So establishing notability as an actress doesn't hinge on her own résumé, or IMDB: it hinges on showing that her work as an actress has made her a subject that journalists cover as newsworthy in sources independent of herself.  Bearcat ( talk ) 14:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete as there isn't any secondary sources which are good enough to make her notable.  OhHaiMark ( talk ) 01:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Ok, Bearcat, how about deleting the title of actress and the acting credits table.
 Would this suit you?
 ScorpioKLM No, that wouldn't "suit" me, because you haven't properly established her notability as a writer or audiobook narrator either .  Those work the same way: her notability for either of those things is not established by citing her work to itself as proof that it exists, and still requires literary critics to establish her books as significant by reviewing them in newspapers, magazines or literary journals.  No matter what occupation a person works in, they always still have to be shown to have WP:GNG -worthy coverage about it in reliable sources independent of their own public relations materials, and you simply haven't used any GNG-worthy sourcing to support this article at all.  So the problem isn't resolved just by taking acting roles out of the article, because you haven't properly sourced her writing or narration work either.  The whole article is badly sourced, not just the acting section alone.  Bearcat ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Extended content Bearcat, I respectfully disagree with your statement that we haven't properly established Krystle Minkoff's notability as a writer or audiobook narrator.  Let me explain why I believe the proof is in the citations provided: Multiple Independent Sources: The citations we’ve included are from multiple independent sources, not just self-references or public relations materials.  These sources include reputable databases, industry publications, and media outlets that adhere to strict verification standards.
 Industry Standards and Recognition: As a writer and audiobook narrator, Krystle Minkoff/Meritt North has received recognition within the industry.  While you emphasize the need for literary critics to review her books, the notability can also be established through awards, nominations, and notable projects she has been a part of.  These are documented in the citations provided.
 Audiobook Narration: The role of an audiobook narrator is inherently significant within the literary and entertainment industries.  Notability in this field is often established through the body of work and collaborations with well-known authors and publishers.  Minkoff/North's work is verifiably documented through these collaborations, which are detailed in the citations.
 WP
 Compliance: We have adhered to Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines (WP
 ).  The sources used to support her notability are reliable, independent, and provide significant coverage about her work.  These are not mere mentions but in-depth articles and features that highlight her contributions and impact.
 Proof in Citations: The citations include reviews, interviews, and articles from established media and literary platforms.  These are GNG-worthy sources that validate her achievements and establish her as a notable figure in both writing and audiobook narration.
 Removing references to her acting roles does not diminish the verifiable and well-documented evidence of her contributions as a writer and audiobook narrator.  The proof is in the detailed and independent citations that have been meticulously provided to support her notability in these fields.
 I believe that a comprehensive evaluation of the sources will reveal that the criteria for notability are indeed met, and Krystle Minkoff's diverse career merits recognition across her various roles.  I highly disagree.  Krystle Minkoff and Meritt North have been cited over 90 times by various websites, online newspapers, journals, and magazines crediting her for all of her audiobook narrations.  However, in order for IMDb to credit officially, it has to be reviewed and approved by IMDb, casting directors, directors, and other actors.  It is up for scrutiny by all and goes through a lengthy period of scrutinization before being attributed a final credit.  There are 3 titles to which Meritt aka Krystle Minkoff and credited by such, has this blue official IMDb credit.  Just a consideration.  Here is the strict incliusion of credits criteria that must be met on IMDb.  https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/imdb-credit-eligibility-faq/GXMWNMB8LQCZYFH8? ref_=helpart_nav_10# What do you mean by "eligible"?
 A. As stated above, the first and most important thing is to have received a credit on the title.  There are a few additional requirements -- we normally only list people who were credited in the original version of a title.  For films, this means we'll only list people credited in the initial original theatrical release; for TV titles, it means people credited when the show first aired.  B. When a title is announced or in production and is added to the database, our editors will normally start accepting credits for it.  These credits, as per the disclaimer on the page, are always subject to change and can be removed at any time.  When the title is actually released (or about to be released) and credits are finalized by the production, our editors routinely compare our listing with the actual on-screen credits and delete any entries that cannot be verified or do not match .  If you used to be listed on a title and your credit has disappeared, it means our editors could not verify its accuracy during one of these routine checks.  C. There are 4 credits that have been verified by IMDb.  2017
 Reelz Murder Made Me Famous | 2 Episodes
 Patron & Mother 2017
 John Gotti | Season 3, Episode 8
 Steak House Patron 2017
 David Koresh | Season 3, Episode 7
 Mother 2016
 Queen of the South (TV series) | 4 episodes
 Campaign Supporter E. The title of "Actress" should remain associated with Krystle Minkoff due to her significant and well-documented career as a Voice Actress.  Here are several key points supporting this stance: Extensive Experience: Krystle Minkoff has an extensive body of work as a Voice Actress, which inherently falls under the broader category of acting.  Voice acting requires a diverse set of skills similar to those needed for on-screen acting, such as character development, emotional expression, and vocal control.  Notable Roles: Her roles as a Voice Actress have been notable and influential within the industry.  These roles contribute to her overall recognition as an actress, as voice acting is a respected and integral part of the entertainment field.  Published Credits: There are numerous publications and sources that document her work as a Voice Actress.  These sources include her credited roles on platforms such as IMDb, which adhere to strict guidelines for verifying the legitimacy of professional credits.  Industry Standards: In the entertainment industry, individuals who perform voice acting are commonly referred to as actors or actresses.  This standard industry terminology reflects the comprehensive nature of their work, encompassing all forms of acting, whether it be on-screen or voice-over.  Verifiability and Notability: The information regarding her career as a Voice Actress is verifiable through multiple independent sources, fulfilling Wikipedia’s criteria for notability.  This substantiates her professional title as an actress, encompassing her voice acting achievements.  Removing the title of "Actress" would not only undermine her substantial contributions to the field of voice acting but also misrepresent the comprehensive nature of her career.  Therefore, it is both accurate and appropriate to maintain the title of "Actress" to reflect her extensive and notable experience in the industry.  Kindly review and advise.
 ScorpioKLM Bearcat, I respectfully disagree with your statement that we haven't properly established Krystle Minkoff's notability as a writer or audiobook narrator.  Let me explain why I believe the proof is in the citations provided: Multiple Independent Sources: The citations we’ve included are from multiple independent sources, not just self-references or public relations materials.  These sources include reputable databases, industry publications, and media outlets that adhere to strict verification standards.
 Industry Standards and Recognition: As a writer and audiobook narrator, Krystle Minkoff has received recognition within the industry.  While you emphasize the need for literary critics to review her books, the notability can also be established through awards, nominations, and notable projects she has been a part of.  These are documented in the citations provided.
 Audiobook Narration: The role of an audiobook narrator is inherently significant within the literary and entertainment industries.  Notability in this field is often established through the body of work and collaborations with well-known authors and publishers.  Minkoff’s work is verifiably documented through these collaborations, which are detailed in the citations.
 WP
 Compliance: We have adhered to Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines (WP
 ).  The sources used to support her notability are reliable, independent, and provide significant coverage about her work.  These are not mere mentions but in-depth articles and features that highlight her contributions and impact.
 Proof in Citations: The citations include reviews, interviews, and articles from established media and literary platforms.  These are GNG-worthy sources that validate her achievements and establish her as a notable figure in both writing and audiobook narration.
 Removing references to her acting roles does not diminish the verifiable and well-documented evidence of her contributions as a writer and audiobook narrator.  The proof is in the detailed and independent citations that have been meticulously provided to support her notability in these fields.
 I believe that a comprehensive evaluation of the sources will reveal that the criteria for notability are indeed met, and Krystle Minkoff's diverse career merits recognition across her various roles.  I highly disagree.  Krystle Minkoff and Meritt North have been cited over 90 times by various websites, online newspapers, journals, and magazines crediting her for all of her audiobook narrations.  In addition: When a title on IMDb is announced or in production and is added to the database, thier editors will normally start accepting credits for it.  These credits, as per the disclaimer on the page, are always subject to change and can be removed at any time.  When the title is actually released (or about to be released) and credits are finalized by the production, our editors routinely compare our listing with the actual on-screen credits and delete any entries that cannot be verified or do not match .  If you used to be listed on a title and your credit has disappeared, it means our editors could not verify its accuracy during one of these routine checks.  D. There are 4 credits that have been verified by IMDb.  2017
 Reelz Murder Made Me Famous | 2 Episodes
 Patron & Mother 2017
 John Gotti | Season 3, Episode 8
 Steak House Patron 2017
 David Koresh | Season 3, Episode 7
 Mother 2016
 Queen of the South (TV series) | 4 episodes
 Campaign Supporter E. The title of "Actress" should remain associated with Krystle Minkoff due to her significant and well-documented career as a Voice Actress.  Here are several key points supporting this stance: Extensive Experience: Krystle Minkoff has an extensive body of work as a Voice Actress, which inherently falls under the broader category of acting.  Voice acting requires a diverse set of skills similar to those needed for on-screen acting, such as character development, emotional expression, and vocal control.  Notable Roles: Her roles as a Voice Actress have been notable and influential within the industry.  These roles contribute to her overall recognition as an actress, as voice acting is a respected and integral part of the entertainment field.  Published Credits: There are numerous publications and sources that document her work as a Voice Actress.  These sources include her credited roles on platforms such as IMDb, which adhere to strict guidelines for verifying the legitimacy of professional credits.  Industry Standards: In the entertainment industry, individuals who perform voice acting are commonly referred to as actors or actresses.  This standard industry terminology reflects the comprehensive nature of their work, encompassing all forms of acting, whether it be on-screen or voice-over.  Verifiability and Notability: The information regarding her career as a Voice Actress is verifiable through multiple independent sources, fulfilling Wikipedia’s criteria for notability.  This substantiates her professional title as an actress, encompassing her voice acting achievements.  Removing the title of "Actress" would not only undermine her substantial contributions to the field of voice acting but also misrepresent the comprehensive nature of her career.  Therefore, it is both accurate and appropriate to maintain the title of "Actress" to reflect her extensive and notable experience in the industry.  Review policy at this URL: https://help.imdb.com/article/contribution/filmography-credits/imdb-credit-eligibility-faq/GXMWNMB8LQCZYFH8? ref_=helpart_nav_10# Kindly review and advise.
 ScorpioKLM Here is a full list of all of platforms her audiobooks are verified published at and credited to her as both Krystle Minkoff and Meritt North.  You cannot dispute her notability as an audiobook narrator.  Cites for Audiobook Narrator: https://www.storytel.com/in/narrators/meritt-north-525444 https://play.google.com/store/audiobooks/details/Murder_to_the_Max_Witches_of_Keyhole_Lake_Book_2? id=AQAAAEBMSh8KQM&hl=en_IN&gl=IN https://www.booktopia.com.au/murder-to-the-max-meritt-north/audiobook/9781987150421.html https://www.kobo.com/us/en/audiobook/moonshine-valentine https://tantor.com/narrator/meritt-north.html https://www.audible.com/author/Meritt-North/B01M3YNGSB https://www.audible.com/search? keywords=meritt+North&skip_spell_correction=true&ref_pageloadid=not_applicable&ref=a_search_t3_noResReversionUrl&pf_rd_p=7a98be95-bbf9-496e-a68c-79ce2c792da5&pf_rd_r=W5AQ8S259PFJWH9HB8CB&pageLoadId=rbqvivlTWdN7xXYc&ref_plink=not_applicable&creativeId=85146ce4-11f8-4d13-a628-fae19c79acaa https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/audiobookindustry/meritt-north/ https://www.audiobooks.com/browse/narrator/290347/browse/bookclubs/13/Sci-Fi-and-Fantasy-Audiobook-Club https://nextory.com/se-en/narrator/meritt-north-776316 https://library2go.overdrive.com/library2go-94-111/content/media/4578862 https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/jarods-heart-elise-manion/1122395364 https://www.overdrive.com/creators/1811412/tegan-maher https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/moonshine-valentine-tegan-maher/1131877202 https://www.kobo.com/us/en/list/mystery-thriller-audiobooks-9-99-or-less/sIjyvZtfms0HgQjU4Thsmg https://libro.fm/audiobooks/9781987192872-cruise-ship-caper https://www.chirpbooks.com/audiobooks/murder-of-the-month-by-tegan-maher https://www.audiobooks.com/audiobook/20-dating-advice-for-women-the-secrets-most-men-dont-want-you-to-know/323130 https://open.spotify.com/show/5sHA37R3rNqqTTCZbKLMyn https://www.storytel.com/tv/books/the-heartsong-cowboy-488808 What part of you do not establish a person's notability by citing her work to itself as proof that it exists, and have to establish notability by citing her work to THIRD-PARTY MEDIA COVERAGE AND ANALYSIS ABOUT IT are you having trouble understanding?  Bearcat ( talk ) 15:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] You are obviously disregarding all of the media formats, platforms, publications, audiobook production companies, websites, and audiobook resellers citations that prove her notability as an established voice actress.  Here are the cites again.  I emplore you to review each one.  Cites for Audiobook Narrator: https://www.storytel.com/in/narrators/meritt-north-525444 https://play.google.com/store/audiobooks/details/Murder_to_the_Max_Witches_of_Keyhole_Lake_Book_2? id=AQAAAEBMSh8KQM&hl=en_IN&gl=IN https://www.booktopia.com.au/murder-to-the-max-meritt-north/audiobook/9781987150421.html https://www.kobo.com/us/en/audiobook/moonshine-valentine https://tantor.com/narrator/meritt-north.html https://www.audible.com/author/Meritt-North/B01M3YNGSB https://www.audible.com/search? keywords=meritt+North&skip_spell_correction=true&ref_pageloadid=not_applicable&ref=a_search_t3_noResReversionUrl&pf_rd_p=7a98be95-bbf9-496e-a68c-79ce2c792da5&pf_rd_r=W5AQ8S259PFJWH9HB8CB&pageLoadId=rbqvivlTWdN7xXYc&ref_plink=not_applicable&creativeId=85146ce4-11f8-4d13-a628-fae19c79acaa https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/audiobookindustry/meritt-north/ https://www.audiobooks.com/browse/narrator/290347/browse/bookclubs/13/Sci-Fi-and-Fantasy-Audiobook-Club https://nextory.com/se-en/narrator/meritt-north-776316 https://library2go.overdrive.com/library2go-94-111/content/media/4578862 https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/jarods-heart-elise-manion/1122395364 https://www.overdrive.com/creators/1811412/tegan-maher https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/moonshine-valentine-tegan-maher/1131877202 https://www.kobo.com/us/en/list/mystery-thriller-audiobooks-9-99-or-less/sIjyvZtfms0HgQjU4Thsmg https://libro.fm/audiobooks/9781987192872-cruise-ship-caper https://www.chirpbooks.com/audiobooks/murder-of-the-month-by-tegan-maher https://www.audiobooks.com/audiobook/20-dating-advice-for-women-the-secrets-most-men-dont-want-you-to-know/323130 https://open.spotify.com/show/5sHA37R3rNqqTTCZbKLMyn https://www.storytel.com/tv/books/the-heartsong-cowboy-488808 ____________________________________________________
 I truly appreciate your dedication to maintaining the high standards of Wikipedia, and I believe the existing citations do indeed establish her notability.  Multiple Independent Sources: The citations provided come from various independent and reputable sources, not just self-references or promotional materials.  These include industry publications, reputable databases, and media outlets known for their strict verification standards.  These sources collectively affirm her contributions and impact in the fields of writing and audiobook narration.  Industry Standards and Recognition: As a writer and audiobook narrator, Krystle Minkoff has received significant recognition within her industry.  Her work has been acknowledged through awards, nominations, and notable projects.  These achievements are documented in the citations provided, demonstrating her industry impact.  Audiobook Narration: The field of audiobook narration is a respected and integral part of the literary and entertainment industries.  Minkoff's collaborations with well-known authors and publishers further establish her credibility.  The citations detail these collaborations and highlight her extensive body of work, which is an essential aspect of her notability.  Compliance with WP We have adhered to Wikipedia’s General Notability Guidelines (WP ).  The sources supporting her notability are reliable, independent, and provide significant coverage of her work.  These sources go beyond mere mentions, offering in-depth articles and features that highlight her contributions and achievements.
 Proof in Citations: The citations include a wide range of reviews  and articles from established media and literary platforms.  These are GNG-worthy sources that validate her achievements and establish her as a notable figure in both writing and audiobook narration.  Removing references to her acting roles does not diminish the well-documented evidence of her contributions as a writer and audiobook narrator.  The detailed and independent citations provided substantiate her notability in these fields.  In addition, IMDb’s rigorous process for verifying credits further supports her legitimacy in these roles.  For example, her verified acting credits include roles in "Murder Made Me Famous," "John Gotti," "David Koresh," and "Queen of the South."  These credits reflect her significant involvement in the industry.  The title of "Actress" should remain associated with Krystle Minkoff due to her extensive and notable career as a Voice Actress.  Voice acting requires a diverse set of skills similar to on-screen acting, and her notable roles have been influential within the industry.  Her work is documented by credible sources, including IMDb, which adheres to strict verification guidelines.  I believe a thorough evaluation of the sources will reveal that Krystle Minkoff's and Meritt North's career merits recognition across her various roles.  Her contributions to the fields of writing and audiobook narration are clearly well documented here and significant.  I invite you to review the comprehensive list of platforms where her audiobooks are verified and credited to her, both as Krystle Minkoff and Meritt North.  These platforms include Barnes & Noble, Storytel, Google Play, Booktopia, Kobo, Tantor Audio, Audible, AudioFile Magazine, and many more.  Each of these sources supports her notability as an audiobook narrator, which cannot be disputed.  Thank you for considering this perspective, and I look forward to your thoughts on how we can further ensure the accuracy and completeness of this article.
 Best regards,
 ScorpioKLM In response to this "establish notability by citing her work to THIRD-PARTY MEDIA COVERAGE AND ANALYSIS ABOUT IT".  I have cited to third-party media coverage and analysis about it.  Please re-review the citations sent above.  Kindest Wishes,
 ScorpioKLM No, you have not cited third-party media coverage and analysis about it, you're citing her own work's presence as titles for sale in online bookstores .  Again: you do not establish a writer's notability by citing her work to its own presence on Amazon or Audible or Kobo or Booktopia or Overdrive; you establish a writer's notability by citing it to journalists and/or literary critics independently reviewing her work in a newspaper, magazine or literary journal .  Bearcat ( talk ) 15:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Poetry , Law , Politics , Medicine ,  and Texas .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 15:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - We can't use literally everything proffered above by ScorpioKLM ( online storefront / connexion to subject ), and the same rationale applies to almost every source in the article itself, with those that aren't merchants/her publishers being content-free profiles or stuff she wrote under the "Krystle Minkoff" moniker.  None of the lot is usable in any way, shape, or form.  ScorpioKLM, we don't cite IMDb because multiple discussions over the years in re their verification and fact-checking (i.e. their editorial oversight) have concluded it's a joke.  — Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete - the article is sourced to primary sources.   I can find no coverage at all to substantiate inclusion of this biography on Wikipedia.  -- Whpq ( talk ) 17:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete Despite the wall of words, notability is not established.  Mccapra ( talk ) 18:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete In addition to the above, there's statements like "Meritt North had a successful 20-year career in sleep medicine prior to her career in the entertainment industry" - her entertainment career began in 2016 when she would have been 33.  One link in her bibliography (Journal of Sleep Disorders & Therapy) is flagged as an unreliable source.  Orange sticker ( talk ) 22:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Admin comment I've p-blocked Mooresklm2016 from here & the article to allow discussion to continue uninterrupted.  They have made a sufficient case for closer to take it on board when assessing the discussion.  Star Mississippi 14:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy delete : per G11.  voorts ( talk / contributions ) 16:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per above comments - obviously promotional and inadequate third-party coverage.  Haruka Amaranth 01:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete does not satisfy the GNG; no SIGCOV RS available.  Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk ) 05:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : Along with everyone else I couldn't find WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS .  WP:GNG isn't met.  Tar nis hed Path talk 06:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment - Timbo's Rule 14.  "Whenever you see multiple stacked footnotes in a lead to document a subject phrase as encyclopedic, it probably isn't." (March 2012) — tim /// Carrite ( talk ) 17:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I endorse that rule!  Bearcat ( talk ) 16:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment .  You might have noticed that the article creator has used the names Krystle Minkoff and Meritt North interchangeably so I'm assuming that they are the same person.  Looking into previous articles by a similarly named account, User:Mooresklm I came across Draft:Krystle Minkoff which was deleted multiple times.  L iz Read!  Talk!  07:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I presumed it was a true name/pseudonym situation (similar to Mary Ann Evans/George Eliot ).  — Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 07:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I looked at the deleted article and Krystle Minkoff's birth name is, surprise!  Krystle Lee'Ann Moores.  L iz Read!  Talk!  07:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete