Apolinar Solórzano : GNG fail Invading Invader ( userpage , talk ) 19:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople , Olympics ,  and Venezuela .  Invading Invader ( userpage , talk ) 19:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I must say, it feels pretty unfair to nominate for deletion NATH passes on athletes from countries like these (Venezuela), considering that all the sources that would have covered the athletes are inaccessible to us.  (I would be stunned if Associated Press or Trove had any coverage of an athlete like this from this era).  If this person was from the U.S. we'd easily be able to find significant coverage.  But we have no access to Venezuelan sources as far as I am aware.  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 19:04, 10 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] WP:RGW Invading Invader ( userpage , talk ) 19:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep ( edit conflict ) Doesn't this meet WP:NTRACK #2?  Winning medals at the South American Championships and Pan American Games should prove notability.  -- NoonIcarus ( talk ) 19:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Per WP:NATH , it says significant coverage is likely to exist , but I could not find SIGCOV. There is no inherent notability for sports figures. If the SIGCOV doesn't exist, then the article per policy should not. Invading Invader ( userpage , talk ) 19:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] ( edit conflict ) The thing is, you can't know that sigcov doesn't exist when you can't look at the sources that could have covered him! BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 19:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I've also found coverage at [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] , which say that Apolinar is also in Venezuela's Athletics Hall of Fame. This, along with the sources used, should allow the article to meet WP:GNG . -- NoonIcarus ( talk ) 19:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Utilizing Command F hits by last name, as well as MacOS safari translator to help with context, (it's common for people to be referred only by their last name), The first is an obituary.  The second mentions him in passing.  The third I couldn't Command F, so I poured through it but it's only a book version of a database.  The fourth is the same thing.  In the fifth he is only mentioned once, so passing mention.  Same with the sixth.  Not too much in terms of sources that directly provide SIGCOV, but at the same time, it could be a good stepping stone.  My opinion however still stands to delete based on what we have so far.  Invading Invader ( userpage , talk ) 21:02, 10 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Many thanks.  Just as a note, Apolinar can be found in page 4 of the third source, under the section "2o grupo" (2nd group).  -- NoonIcarus ( talk ) 00:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , thank you for the nomination. Solorzano has received dedicated news coverage going beyond just mentions, as demonstrated in this broadcast news video . Keep in mind it is astonishing that modern news coverage exists of him at all, considering his primary accomplishments were in the 1950s. Combined with clearly meeting WP:NATH , per WP:SPORTCRIT this demonstrates significant coverage exists. -- Habst ( talk ) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Doesn't seem sufficiently significant enough.  I need some more SIGCOV to flip my vote.  Invading Invader ( userpage , talk ) 16:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , per NoonIcarus and Habst.  It appears that he is notable, especially with induction to his country's national athletics hall of fame (also note that in the broadcast news video, which appears to be a hall of fame induction?, each athlete has a plaque that goes in-depth into their accomplishments. That would be sigcov).  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 18:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to relevant 1956 Olympics page .  We still do not have a source of IRS SIGCOV to cite in the article, which is required to remain in mainspace.  A primary news broadcast of an awards ceremony, posted by some random person on YouTube, is not acceptable as a source.  We also have no evidence that whatever text accompanies the plaque is independent.  None of the other citations mentioned rise above passing mentions.  JoelleJay ( talk ) 22:55, 15 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I don't see why a plaque at the Venezuela Athletics Hall of Fame discussing Solorzano wouldn't be independent?  I also think one could claim that induction into said hall of fame could qualify as the "significant" honor mentioned at WP:ANYBIO .  Also worth noting that he has been discussed in modern day sources as a "Venezuelan athletic legend" - it simply wouldn't make sense that someone considered so highly wouldn't have in-depth coverage from the time period when he competed.  BeanieFan11 ( talk ) 23:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep It is hard not to see the coverage as not passing WP:GNG .  Also, entry into a national hall of fame does suggest a pass of WP:NTRACK (unless there is a reason the SNG should read as only American-centric "Have been inducted into the National Track and Field Hall of Fame or the Road Runners Club of America Hall of Fame.").  -- Enos733 ( talk ) 05:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep , meets WP:SPORTCRIT and not worth grinding over any further.  Geschichte ( talk ) 10:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per above, meets WP:SPORTCRIT especially since he was an Olympian.  Batmanthe8th ( talk ) 19:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep