Ando Masahashi: Zero real-world notability.   Delete as per WP:NOTPLOT .  Onel 5969 TT me 18:09, 17 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Television .  Hey man im josh ( talk ) 18:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] OK, onel5969 , that's just a sub-par nom.  First "real world notability" is a non-sequitur: notability is based on coverage of a topic, so a fictional element that is covered as a fictional element via non-trivial mentions in independent reliable sources is notable.  Second, the issue is a problem with notability for standalone coverage, as anyone with a search engine can see that this character existed, so there's no reason for deletion--rather than enforcing a redirect to a more carefully curated List of Heroes characters .  Let's not start advocating things that aren't even policy-based just as a more extreme position from which one can fall back, shall we?  Jclemens ( talk ) 23:37, 17 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] As far as sources go, in Simmons' Investigating Heroes: Essays on Truth, Justice and Quality TV ISBN 978-0786459360, his name is mentioned on 23 separate pages.  While I can only see the index and 2 trivial mentions in Google Books preview, I suspect that the whole enchilada would amount to non-trivial IRS coverage.  But really, I'm getting a lot of trivial mentions, to include in JSTOR and NYT (each of which yield one), so I'm actually inclined to enforce the redirect unless someone else comes up with better focus on this character rather than as Hiro's friend/sidekick.  Jclemens ( talk ) 23:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Hi, I am the person who un-did the redirect.  I don't have a strong opinion on whether the page itself is kept, but when the redirect was made, no section for Ando was added to List of Heroes characters , which meant that there was essentially no information (not even a paragraph on a much larger list page) on this borderline-notable character.  The act of "redirecting a previously-existing article to some other article that doesn't really contain useful information about that subject" is one of the more insidious ways to hard-core delete content from Wikipedia, and whether or not it was intentional, it left a noticeable gap in coverage.  It's unimportant to me whether the page is kept or a few-paragraph section is made on the relevant list page, but I hope most reasonable people would agree that redirecting it to a page lacking a section on Ando is the worst of the three outcomes.  onel5969 - I would also add that my interaction with you was largely negative, as you ignored the reason for undoing the redirect, cited a nonexistent AfD, and (mostly incorrectly) claimed that the character was already on the list page.  These types of interactions with new people matter , and bad ones feed into the narrative that Wikipedia is unwelcoming to new people.  24.143.106.101 ( talk ) 07:39, 18 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect as suggested seems fine.  This isn't Superman, but one of many characters in the series.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 20:14, 18 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect unless someone adds a reception section showing, well, notability .  PS.  I do fully support summarizing some stuff on the relevant list of characters, so I guess merge is likewise a valid outcome, maybe even better than redirect (but there's nothing stopping folks from getting content from a redirect, as long as there is no hard deletion of content, which I would not endorse).  -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 14:16, 19 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Revert to redirect per all.  It's always fine to make bold edits, but re-creating a page without providing WP:SIGCOV isn't really constructive.  Shooterwalker ( talk ) 22:02, 21 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect per above.  // Timothy :: talk 03:41, 22 April 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: redirect