Heer Da Hero: We need solid coverage to prove GNG, not just trivial mentions or ROTM coverage.  — Saqib ( talk I contribs ) 16:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions .  — Saqib ( talk I contribs ) 16:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions .  Shellwood ( talk ) 16:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to Amar_Khan#As_writer : Coverage including some that contains critical assessment is imv enough to keep this but to avoid long discussions that have taken place during other Afds of Pakistani-related films/actors/series etc, I am suggesting this as alternative to deletion.   - My, oh my!  (Mushy Yank) 17:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep meets WP:GNG .  Coverage in Daily Times ( [2] ) and Dawn ( [3] ) is enough.  Both are staff written articles.  188.29.129.61 ( talk ) 19:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] 188.29.129.61 , I did include both of these coverage in my nomination, and I explained why they weren't sufficient to pass the GNG .  — Saqib ( talk I contribs ) 20:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Thank you for presenting those sources and commenting.  For the record, the article in Dawn , signed by Sadaf Haider , and that contains three paragraphs on the series, including critical appraisal, does not seem churnalism nor to "fall under NEWSORGINDIA"; it contains more than trivial mentions or "ROTM": " This script was written by the lead actress Amar Khan and was initially called JanjalPur. After the teasers, many complained this show might be too loud and filmi for Ramazan, but a strong cast and direction pulls the story together, keeping it entertaining without going over the edge.Imran Ashraf is perfect in the familiar avatar of the action hero, beating up goondas (goons) and maintaining peace in the neighbourhood where his father (Waseem Abbas) lost an election. This year ‘Hero Butt’ will ensure his father wins the seat of the local councillor. The opposition is TikTok star Heer Jatt’s family, her father played by Kashif Abbasi and uncle, a corrupt policeman played by Afzal Khan (Jan Rambo), whose deadpan humour is unmissable.Like most Ramazan shows, the supporting cast of quirky but lovable personalities are essential to the spirit of the show. Amar is fantastic as Heer, funny, tough, determined and somehow vulnerable too. The show also debuts Scottish Pakistani YouTube star Rahim Pardesi (Mohammad Amer) whose hilarious face-off with Hero Butt is the stuff of legend. Despite the simple setting, efforts have been made to keep up the production values, and the wardrobe and lighting giving us a very watchable show. .- My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I didn't refer to the coverage in Dawn as churnalism or even classified it under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. The coverage was in Daily Times, and Dawn's coverage alone is insufficient to meet WP:GNG. Saqib ( talk ) 10:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Ah, OK! Thanks for clarifying. Still, I don't think you can call it "ROTM" (which you do, unless I misunderstood that part too). - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Mushy Yank , But GNG require strong sourcing, something which are unlikely to be challenged or questioned, IMO. — Saqib ( talk ) 20:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L iz Read! Talk! 22:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L iz Read! Talk! 21:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Daily Times article is clearly marked as "Staff Report", so it is reliable - it is not a web desk report.  2A01:E0A:C39:5CB0:AC70:C0B4:482D:B6E8 ( talk ) 22:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] IP - WP:RSNOI clearly states even legitimate Indian (as well Pakistani) news organizations intermingle regular news with sponsored content and press release–based write-ups, often with inadequate or no disclosure.  Paid news is a highly pervasive and deeply integrated practice within Indian (as well Pakistani) news media so requires extra vigilance.  And Daily Times is known for publishing CHURNALISM styled articles as evident in the PROMO tone used .  — Saqib ( talk I contribs ) 22:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note: This page was created by 182.182.100.177

Discussion outcome: keep