List of WHA broadcasters: Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans.  The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN .  Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE .  As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of nothing but YouTube posts, dead links, trivial mentions, WP:PRIMARY , commercial sites, WP:TERTIARY , blogspot, fanpages and primarily on anything but the broadcasting itself; not helping this list to assert notability.  SpacedFarmer ( talk ) 16:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television , Ice hockey ,  and Lists .  SpacedFarmer ( talk ) 16:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 17:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] comment so, if this list is up for deletion, why not include all the other broadcaster lists from other leagues and other sports?  Examples List of current National Hockey League broadcasters , List of Edmonton Oilers broadcasters , Historical NHL over-the-air television broadcasters , List of historical Major League Baseball television broadcasters , and List of historical NBA over-the-air television broadcasters .  There are lots of other similar list artices.  I'm leaning towards keep for this article unless it can be made clear why this article should be deleted and the others kept.  Masterhatch ( talk ) 18:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Arguing that other stuff was not nominated for deletion seems contrary to Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions .  Flibirigit ( talk ) 22:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] After I posted that comment, I had looked at SpacedFarmers edit history and saw that he is in fact nominating multiple similar articles and that he wasn't just picking on some obscure WHA article.  Masterhatch ( talk ) 23:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .  Subjects fails WP:LISTN .  Individual parts might be sourced, but as a whole they fail notability.  Flibirigit ( talk ) 22:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : This fails to meet the criteria set by WP:NLIST as the broadcasters are not discussed as a group in secondary sources.  Let'srun ( talk ) 10:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : The World Hockey Association like the American Basketball Association and the National Basketball Association in professional basketball, is an essential part of the overall history of the National Hockey League .  Like was the case with the prior ABA–NBA merger , four of the WHA's franchises were absorbed into the NHL.  Television and radio media coverage are for better or worse, an essential part of a sports league's history.  The WHA may or may not, have sped up NHL's expansion process.  As the story goes, NHL showed little to no interest in any expansion until it was informed in 1965 that without expansion, it would not receive a network television deal.  So fearing the loss of television revenues and the emergence of a rival league in the WHA, the NHL expanded to twelve teams for the 1967-68 season.  This Sports Illustrated article from June 1973 notes that the WHA in contrast to the NHL's then recent problems, could be have stronger bargaining power in negotiating television contracts.  So all in all, how exactly is it merely and little more than "listcruft" to discuss the WHA's media history ?  It's noted in the article that CBS aired some of the WHA's games for a brief while during the early 1970s.  Meanwhile, this book excerpt , briefly discusses whether or not the New England (later Hartford) Whalers games were blacked out WKBG whenever the Boston Bruins of the NHL were at home.  Also, noteworthy is that the Michigan Stags where unable to secure a television deal (except for a one-off broadcast on WXON Channel 20 in 1974).  Here's an article from The New York Times from 1975 on the Michigan Stags' troubles: W.H.A. Outlook Brighter Despite Stags’ Collapse BornonJune8 ( talk ) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Another key thing to take note is that the World Hockey Association's championship trophy (and their equivalent to the Stanley Cup in the NHL) was the Avco World Trophy , which was named after the Avco Corporation .  Avco also owned the Crosley Broadcasting Corporation during almost the entire duration of the WHA's existence.  BornonJune8 ( talk ) 06:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] But why does it have to be a list then?  Why not a History of WHA tv broadcasts?  Conyo14 ( talk ) 18:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] That is exactly my question as well.  Let'srun ( talk ) 01:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Yeah, turning it into a History of WHA tv broadcasters is a good idea.  Masterhatch ( talk ) 01:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : Per BornonJune8.  I think between the sources and BornonJune8's comments there's enough to demonstrate adequate enough coverage to pass WP:LISTN .  Hey man im josh ( talk ) 18:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  22:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per nom.  ScriptKKiddie ( talk ) 10:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Malinaccier ( talk ) 13:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep but reformat per BornonJune8's comment and the subsequent discussion.  Perhaps draftify, even?  The Kip ( contribs ) 07:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ The Kip : My only concern with draftification is that, when closing discussions, I typically look for someone who's actually volunteers to take on the task if draftified.  Otherwise, we sometimes end up with a delayed (G13) deletion result.  Hey man im josh ( talk ) 12:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep As per BornonJune8's comments.  Certainly this article could be better.  But I think this is a pass of WP:LISTN, and is simply not feasible to include as a section in the WHA article itself.  IceBergYYC ( talk ) 10:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: no consensus