ClanLib: Can anyone save this?  Otherwise we can consider a redirect target, perhaps?  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 04:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions .  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 04:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 04:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment : @ Piotrus : , are you asserting that what the article purports to be full chapters in two different game programming books doesn't amount to SIGCOV?  I don't have access to or know these sources, so maybe you know something not obvious from the description here.  ~ A412 talk!  08:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ A412 I did not realize the second one is a book (dead link, all refs are malformatted and don't suggest they are books).  The third one does link to a book page but I could not verify the contents (it is just publisher page).  I also remain unconvinced that coverage in how-to/textbooks is sufficient to prove something is notable, unless those books are widely used.  There is a lot of low quality spammy how-to/textbooks in the computer sciences field, particularly now in the AI days (although those works are likely old enough to at least not be AI creations).  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 22:50, 3 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : "Game Programming with Python, Lua, and Ruby" does indeed have a chapter on it, although I can't access the full text, unsure about the other one.  There seems to be some decent sources in Google Books and some in Scholar.  StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ StreetcarEnjoyer Is the publisher ( Premier Press )?  Their website suggests they do print-on-demand stuff, so self-publishing.  See [12] or Our work helps you achieve your marketing goals.  .  Assuming this is the right company, this one does a lot of non-book gadget printing??  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | reply here 22:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Alright, Amazon lists pub as Course Technology PTR, a subsiduary of Cengage Group .  Course Technology PTR has Premier Press as an imprint .  While I'm fairly confident who the publisher is, I can't say whether or not there's editorial control.  @ Piotrus I suspect you have an unrelated Premier Press website there, by the looks of it they're not in educational publishing.  ~ A412 talk!  02:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Here's some stuff I found if you'd like to look at it and decide upon its reliability.  [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Just a comment: List of games built with ClanLib: https://web.archive.org/web/20060626025824/http://www.clanlib.org/games.html - all of them seems to be hobby projects or even learning projects.  I doubt that any of that on it's own would have Wikipedia article.  Quickly looking at the list I do not see anything commercial or noteworthy.  Pbm ( talk ) 08:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  04:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: More participation needed.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Shadow311 ( talk ) 14:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Final relist.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Shadow311 ( talk ) 15:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Yeah I would personally delete it.  Looking for useful game engines and this page wasted my time.  24.113.50.192 ( talk ) 09:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] A link to the website perhaps from its entry on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_game_engines since that's how I ended up here.  24.113.50.192 ( talk ) 09:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] WP:NOTUSEFUL .  The article "wasting your time" is irrelevant to the deletion discussion.  What matters is if the books that discuss the subject are independent and contain WP:SIGCOV .  Industrial Insect (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment : Just some thoughts.  I remember ClanLib.  Back in the day, it was a 'big thing' for GNU/Linux users.  At the time, Pingus was one of its showcase projects .  Eventually, late 2007, Pingus switched to SDL .  But early on, both gained popularity as SEUL (-supported) projects.  Pingus still has its website there, and starting 19 July 2003 ClanLib was hosted there .  I agree that ClanLib is not - or, no longer - notable enough to have its own article on Wikipedia, but perhaps it could get a single sentence at Video games and Linux § 1998–2002 .  Then the ClanLib article could redirect there.  -- 62.166.252.25 ( talk ) 17:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: no consensus