Famous Toastery Bowl : Can be suffciently covered in that article and doesn't need its own page.  Esolo5002 ( talk ) 23:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to 2023 Famous Toastery Bowl Duplicative article and creator was warned several times that this individual article about the temporary bowl wasn't and will not be needed.  Nate • ( chatter ) 00:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events , American football ,  and North Carolina .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 00:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to 2023 Famous Toastery Bowl : we don't need two articles on a one-off bowl game, but the article on the "specific" installment (if there is such a concept for a one-off) is a much better and less surprising redirect target than the game it was a "substitute" for.  (Whether or not any combined article actually needs to have "2023" in it is another matter that is probably more suited to a subsequent RM than AfD.)  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 00:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Strongly Opposed, create as new article This is not a one-year name change.   That would imply that there is new sponsorship, but in this case, there is a new location since it's not being played in the Bahamas.   For historical sake, the Montgomery Bowl and Frisco Football Classic were both created this decade as one-year substitutions and they both have their own pages, info, records and logos.   This is a new game with a new primary sponsor, albeit for a year, while the Bahamas Bowl is on hiatus for a year.   And that's if the renovations proceed as planned. .  Roberto221 ( talk ) Pointing out other articles is not a valid argument.   This article must stand or fall on its own merits.  Frank Anchor 11:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Oppose deletion (with caveat) .  The press release here clearly indicates this is a different bowl than the Bahamas Bowl, as the Bahamas Bowl " will not be held ".  While tempting to treat it as a "relocated" Bahamas Bowl, there is no indication that that is the case.  That said, a single article for a substitute bowl (rather than a "bowl" article and a "2023" article) seems reasonable.  If the bowl turns into more than a one-off ( WP:CRYSTAL ) season-specific articles can be structured.  Dmoore5556 ( talk ) 01:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I should clarify that early reports (last month) about the Bahamas Bowl not being played did treat the change of venue as a relocation—example here .  However, ESPN now (mid-November) uses different language, as above.  While we could speculate about why ESPN changed positioning, the latest content shows clear distinction between Bahamas Bowl and Famous Toastery Bowl.  Dmoore5556 ( talk ) 01:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to 2023 Famous Toastery Bowl due to these two articles currently being redundant.  Reliable sources in the article indicate this will be a single game.   If there is a subsequent Famous Toastery Bowl, then the redirect can be removed, but per WP:CRYSTAL , we can not assume this would be the case.   The fact there is no indication that that [being a “relocated” Bahamas Bowl] is the case is not relevant to the fact that there is currently only one Famous Toastery Bowl with no expectation of a future game.  Frank Anchor 11:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Redirect to 2023 Famous Toastery Bowl .  Duplicate article that isn't needed.  If there is a future game with the same title, the redirect can be removed at that time, but no earlier.  Let'srun ( talk ) 16:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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