Genocides Involving the Ottoman Empire : Simply not a topic/article for mainspace creation in its current state.... .should at least be moved to draft because of the contentious nature of the topic that has no sources elevating many items here to genocide.  Article scope is all over the place under a very contentious title that is simple not ready for public viewing in any manner.  Moxy 🍁 05:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I acknowledge that Article Scope requires refinement however I disagree with the notion that it should be deleted as a result.  As mentioned in Talk:Genocides Involving the Ottoman Empire : Everything listed is self-defined on its own page and List of genocides as to whether or not they are (or are not) a genocide.  Wouldn't the contention belong on their individual pages as opposed to this page?  The page in its current state barely provides any raw content of its own and is almost entirely a collection of other pages.  I believe the page should be renamed and turned into a more specifically scoped outline of information collected to provide a jump-off point for the many topics that have existing pages related to the attempted-scope OR potentially merge it with Late Ottoman genocides though the original content-intent of this page was not the same as the latter's.  Frankly, there are a lot of pages about wars, political history, "anti-x sentiment," timeline of events, etc. generally related to this topic and they're outlined in this page because that was the intent, to kinda put them all in one reference page together.  Armeym ( talk ) 06:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime , History , Military ,  and Turkey .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 10:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : some of the items in this list obviously don’t belong (like if we created a list called Genocides Involving the British Empire including the Sinking of the Belgrano ) and others would lead to years of timewasting arguments if the list was kept.  I have no objection if anyone wants to create an “Alleged genocides” category and add that category to articles already in category “xxxxx Empire”.  We already have Genocides_in_history_(before_World_War_I)#Armenians,_Assyrians,_Bulgarians,_Greeks which is enough of a summary I think.  Chidgk1 ( talk ) 13:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : It's an unsourced mess.  The genocides of the Albanians and Circassians are likely irrelevant.  The rest are discussed as part of the late Ottoman genocides .  No prejudice to changing my vote to draftify, but then, I believe this should be rewritten/reorganized/etc.  and moved to List of massacres in the Ottoman Empire as there are already lists with this name and focus such as List of massacres in the Soviet Union .  Aintabli ( talk ) 13:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] >  I believe this should be rewritten/reorganized/etc.  and moved to List of massacres in the Ottoman Empire as there are already lists with this name and focus such as List of massacres in the Soviet Union .  This sounds ideal to me since it's more representative of the original intent.  Thanks Armeym ( talk ) 17:31, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : I don't see how this pseudo-article (a POV fork of Late Ottoman genocides that is full of WP:OR ) could possibly survive in its current, or any other form for that matter.  M.Bitton ( talk ) 14:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete as I explained on talk, this page is partly incurable OR and partly a duplication of persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction and late Ottoman genocides .  ( t · c ) buidhe 16:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per M.Bitton and Buidhe.  RadioactiveBoulevardier ( talk ) 07:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete This page is just a politically charged nonsense mess.  Armenian genocide, Sayfo, Greek genocide are historical facts, we don't reject this massacres.  But this page is against Wikipedia's source citing and page layout rules.  There are already categories like [Category:Turkish war crimes], [Category:Ottoman war crimes], [Category:Massacres in the Ottoman Empire].  And there are already pages like Turkish war crimes , and Late Ottoman genocides .  So why was it necessary to open such a page?  I can understand the good intentions of User:Armeym who opened this page, but my advice to Armeym is that when someone is doing this kind of detailed archive work, it should do a long work and write a detailed text and post it here.  and I have one more little caveat that I don't want anyone to take offense to: **YOU SHOULD NOT PRIORITIZE YOUR OWN POLITICAL VIEWS WHEN OPENING A PAGE ON THE WIKIPEDIA** — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2alp ( talk • contribs ) 09:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete