Ron Thaler: The article states "Many of his personal & professional references are often citations of other self-generated web-pages, & content."  Clarityfiend ( talk ) 13:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Bands and musicians .  Skynxnex ( talk ) 16:36, 4 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 20:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : bad sourcing, individual isn't notable, and this article reads more like a personal attack than something encyclopedic.  Darling ☔ ( talk · contribs ) 20:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] striked for now per Doomsdayer520 's comment. Darling ☔ ( talk · contribs ) 20:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] unstriked per my reply to Doomsdayer520 . article still feels rather promotional to me, and the page creator's fairly obvious connection to the subject doesn't particularly help in my eyes. Darling ☔ ( talk · contribs ) 22:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Clear vandalism by some disgruntled disreputable third-party of unknown origin, and who wishes to hide in the shadows.  This is cancel-culture garbage in the worst of ways. The individual who made the Dec 1 change(s) to this page did not even provide a Wiki account, and flagrantly disregarded many publicly available third-party sources lauding and describing Mr. Thaler's continuing work, credentials, and music industry experience. AllMusic, Discogs, Modern Drummer Magazine, Sticks 'n Skins (hard cover book), L'est Republican newspaper, Sabian, The Sound Collective NYC, SAE Institute, The Future Music Forum, Sync Summit, Monday Magazine, Stuff, ACast, CBC, Fountain.fm, Urban Music Scene, etc etc etc.  There are such a large number of articles dating back to the 90's/2000's available for review that it is comical how inappropriate this vandalism is, or that Wiki does nothing to eject the perpetrator. Further, the edits posted purposely and aggressively defamed Mr. Thaler and others, even in "colloquial" language and terminology, is this common practice at Wiki to allow this?  This article, as you can see, remained on Wiki for at least 10 years without any incident or demonization, only to be attacked multiple times beginning during Covid.  This is reprehensible. HarleyMarcos ( talk ) 04:57, 5 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment - The nomination and first vote above appear to be reactions to some vandalism in the article, committed by an anonymous user on December 1 and later reverted. The obvious personal attacks in the December 1 version were somehow interpreted as poor article quality and non-notability, which I find to be a curious leap in logic. In the article history, you can see that before and after that date we have a pretty typical biography, perhaps with questionable notability but without any bad-faith shenanigans. Mr. Thaler is indeed a known instructional drummer and producer though I'm undecided on notability for the time being. --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( TALK | CONTRIBS ) 13:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I'll strike my vote for now; when I saw this article the first time I was extremely exhausted and it slipped my mind to check the page history. thanks for letting me know. Darling ☔ ( talk · contribs ) 19:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Doomsdayer520 : I'm going to add though, I still feel as if Thaler isn't notable, and the page creator (who replied to this AfD with a long rant about cancel culture) does seem to have a clear personal connection to the subject; this is the singular and only page this user has created, a good portion of their edits have been adding Thaler to other pages, and the only photos they have uploaded to Commons are both only of Thaler and literally the only pictures of Thaler on Commons at all. I still kind of feel like this article is more promotional than encyclopedic, and I have doubts about his notability minus his alleged production on other albums. Darling ☔ ( talk · contribs ) 20:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk ) 16:47, 11 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : Nothing notable, no sources that discuss him at length. Sourcing used now is pulling at straws and this is overly wordy, when it doesn't really say much. It's an extended CV. Oaktree b ( talk ) 17:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Leaning delete . This is a professional profile , I can't see a reasonable path towards what we have here meeting NPOV without stubifying , which is probably not worth it given other editors' assessments of notability.  No prejudice towards recreation of a neutral article if notability is established.  — siro χ o 19:27, 11 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete