Brazil at the 2023 Pan American Games : Per WP:CRYSTALBALL , it's a bit too early; maybe there are some sources about the teams and plans, but they're not in this article.  Per WP:TNT let's delete it.  It could be moved to draft, too, until the event is closer and the content is more viable.  Note that the topic has existed in this state, slowly gaining more empty sections, since June of 2022.  Mikeblas ( talk ) 12:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I am also nominating the following related pages for the same problems.  Really, the best solution is probably to draftify but I don't think there's a direct draftify process: Puerto Rico at the 2023 Pan American Games ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Peru at the 2023 Pan American Games ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Haiti at the 2023 Pan American Games ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Guatemala at the 2023 Pan American Games ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Ecuador at the 2023 Pan American Games ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Barbados at the 2023 Pan American Games ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) El Salvador at the 2023 Pan American Games ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Bolivia at the 2023 Pan American Games ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Dominican Republic at the 2023 Pan American Games ( edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views ) Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports , Barbados , Brazil , Ecuador , El Salvador , Guatemala , Haiti , Peru ,  and Puerto Rico .  Hey man im josh ( talk ) 13:15, 8 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep some, redirect/draft others per WP:ATD .  What a horrible nomination for deletion.  At best these should be redirected to 2023 Pan American Games .  The nominator could have easily redirected as an WP:ATD .  I will try to check for sources later!  I am assuming the nominator has not done a WP:BEFORE based on their nomination rationale.  Sportsfan 1234 ( talk ) 13:20, 8 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I did some preliminary digging and found sources: Brazil: [31] , [32] , [33] , [34] , Puerto Rico: [35] , [36] , [37] .  Peru: [38] , [39] , [40] , [41] , [42] , [43] , [44] Guatemala: [45] , [46] , [47] Ecuador, [48] , [49] , [50] , [51] For Barbados El Salvador, and Haiti, a drafting or redirect at this moment would be the best option.  Sportsfan 1234 ( talk ) 16:46, 8 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete all This is textbook WP:CRYSTALBALL , as are the rest of them.  -- TheInsatiableOne ( talk ) 14:05, 8 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep all We are less than four months away from the 2023 Pan American Games, and most of the items in the articles have updated sources.  I've just had a look at some of the articles and added new sources, so I can't understand why  articles that bring official references from Pan American Sports Federations have to be deleted.  Felipe.moraislima ( talk ) 23:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] premature is premature.  Delete them now, and remake if you want at such a time when there would be sourced content to actually put in them.  TheInsatiableOne ( talk ) 08:19, 9 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] What makes you consider it premature?  I checked again all the articles nominated for deletion.  Here are my impressions: in most of the sports there, we have official qualification lists from each sport governing body, as you can see in the cases of fencing, karate, sailing, racquetball, surfing, weightlifting, taekwondo, archery and cycling.  In team sports, we have articles from credible sources reporting the results of qualifying tournaments.  So, I totally disagree with deleting the articles, since they're verifiable, related to a multi-sport event and are made respecting Wikipedia rules.  Felipe.moraislima ( talk ) 11:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Would you consider moving them to draft space until they're viable?  -- Mikeblas ( talk ) 16:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note :  Added Bolivia and Dominican Republic. -- Mikeblas ( talk ) 12:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:40, 15 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bolivia and Dominican Republic .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:51, 15 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Relisting comment: Relisting to get more clarity on Draftification or Redirection.  If you think there should be different outcomes for all of these articles, please specify what you would prefer to see happen with each one.  I understand this takes more time with 10 articles nominated but it shouldn't be up to the closer to guess which to Keep and which to Redirect.  Thank you.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, L iz Read!  Talk!  20:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Barbados, El Salvador, Haiti, drafting is the best option.  For the rest, keep.  Sportsfan 1234 ( talk ) 20:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep all WP:CRYSTAL does not apply as even though the event hasn't happened yet, the articles are about an event that will almost certainly occur that is only four months away.  There's no need to delete them.  SportingFlyer T · C 23:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] (As an aside, they would have been worth deleting last June.) SportingFlyer T · C 23:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: no consensus