Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center: Iskandar323 ( talk ) 13:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Israel .  Iskandar323 ( talk ) 13:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] keep - It looks like a topic that is likely to expand on the near future, so keep for now pending that.  Irtapil ( talk ) 15:50, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] comment WP:CRYSTALBALL Industrial Insect (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Merge From some quick research the ITIC is part of three loosely related entities with its parent the IICC, and an American "friends of" group the AFIICC.  The meaning of the letters don’t really matter at the moment.  What does is that the three form a quasi-private quasi-military intelligence organization with large resources of money and research and the ability to extend the military intelligence capabilities significantly.  They get overlooked because they’re private, but this means there’s no oversight either.  A Standalone article should be based on the IICC, showing how the other two support it and military intelligence.  The three together have more RS including info critical of them which allows more NPOV.  Short of someone volunteering to take on that article (I can’t) the info here should be merged into one of the Other Israeli intelligence org articles so that the info is there for an enlarged article later.  Ayenaee ( talk ) 21:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I agree with GidonB.  I’ve changed my vote from "merge" to "keep" to avoid confusion from the way I expressed myself.  My waffle 😊 basically meant "keep" so it can be merged into IICC future article.  I have added the new article to my to-do - it just won’t be done quickly.  So any who has more time is welcome to steal 😀 it from me.  Ayenaee ( talk ) 05:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Terrorism .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 20:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge - to ITIC.  ~~ αvírαm | (tαlk) 09:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : Passes GNG per sources already in article.  // Timothy :: talk 02:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  Passes the GNG.  Sorry, I do not understand the merge opinions.  ITIC is just another name for Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center.  That's not a merge.  Also, we CANNOT merge our article into an article that we do not carry.  Yes, the article should absolutely be renamed and rewritten as an IICC article but all that is beyond the scope of AfDs.  Someone should want to actually engage in that.  That person CAN and is encouraged to be bold and just move the article at that time!  Until then, this unit is also notable so keep is the way forward! gidonb ( talk ) 05:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Soft keep given notability but some of these references are dodgy.  Have cleaned up what I could but a lot of the mentions in cited sources are passing mentions, but multiple mentions so.  50/50.  Kazamzam ( talk ) 17:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep