UCCU Crosstown Clash: Let'srun ( talk ) 21:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I disagree that there are not secondary sources that have covered this rivalry, for example: - women's soccer noted as crosstown clash in headline, https://www.deseret.com/2017/9/23/20620085/uvu-soccer-wolverines-drop-uccu-crosstown-clash-to-byu-3-0 noted as crosstown clash in headline, https://www.ksl.com/article/46394883/byu-pressure-too-much-for-wolverines-in-uccu-crosstown-clash noted as crosstown rival in story, https://www.ksl.com/article/50722528/baileys-brace-powers-no-7-byu-womens-soccer-to-6-1-win-over-utah-valley - women's basketball noted as rival in story, https://kslsports.com/507606/byu-womens-basketball-lauren-gustin-utah-valley-game-recap/ - men's basketball noted as rivalry in story, https://www.ksl.com/article/50534753/utah-valley-holds-byu-to-36-shooting-for-2nd-straight-win-over-cougars noted as crosstown clash in headline, https://kslsports.com/473875/utah-valley-upsets-no-12-byu-in-overtime-crosstown-clash/ noted as rivalry in subheadline, https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/against-utah-valley-no-12-byu-faces-second-straight-rivalry-game/ noted as crosstown rival in story, https://www.abc4.com/sports/utah-valley-upsets-byu-again-75-60/ noted as rival school in story, https://news.yahoo.com/former-byu-guard-tanner-toolson-163057123.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeppsna ( talk • contribs ) 03:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports , Baseball , Basketball ,  and Utah .  Let'srun ( talk ) 21:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .  The sources provided by Jeppsna above, in the order given: Local news ( Deseret News , Salt Lake City), uses term "Crosstown Clash", but has nothing about rivalry, and has no in-depth coverage of a rivalry/clash, just highlights from a particular game.  Local news (KSL-5 TV, in SLC), uses term "Crosstown Clash", but has nothing about rivalry, and has no in-depth coverage of a rivalry/clash, just stats on a particular game and lots of quotoids from coach and players.   Local KSL again, does not use "Crosstown Clash", does claim rivalry, but there is no in-depth coverage of rivalry, just stats on a particular game.  Local KSL again, , does not use "Crosstown Clash", does claim rivalry, but there is no in-depth coverage of rivalry, just stats on a particular game, and some discussion of a team's seasonal highlights.  Local KSL again, does not use "Crosstown Clash", does claim rivalry, but there is no in-depth coverage of rivalry, just highlights from one game, and some player and coach interview material; this one is of more interest than the others because it quotes a player saying "rivaly".  Local KSL yet again, uses term "Crosstown Clash", does not mention rivaly, and has no in-depth coverage of clash/rivalry, just highlights from one game.  At last, a non-local source ( CBS Sports ): does not use "Crosstown Clash", does claim rivalry, but there is no in-depth coverage of rivalry, just stats on a particular game, does quote a coach using the term "rivalry".  More local news (ABC4 TV, Provo, Utah), does not use "Crosstown Clash", does claim rivalry, but there is no in-depth coverage of rivalry, just highlights from one game.  Finally, Yahoo! News source that looked like it could have been national, but nope, it's Deseret News again being republished; does not use "Crosstown Clash" and does not mention a sports rivalry, but uses the term "rival" in a different sense (of schools in the same area competing for enrollees).  The other sources already cited in the article are similarly weak.  I can do a run-down of them like the above if anyone really wants it.  The short versions is they are either all local news, or are organizational sites being cited for material unrelated to a rivalry, and none of them provide in-depth coverage of the rivalry as such.  The closest to this is this one , which covers a three-game series.  Another is almost in the ballpark; it's regional coverage and compares the writer's personal experience of two "Clash" games five years apart, but is really about him and the particulars of the two games, not about "the rivalry".  What we can gather from all the source material is this: There is a manufactured "sports rivalry" between these schools, consisting of a series of non-league (exhibition) games sponsored by a local credit union.  Locally it is sometimes (but not consistently) called "Crosstown Clash" (this may actually be an official name provided by the sponsor; that's not really clear).  One national-level source (not using the "Crosstown Clash" name for it), has said there is such a rivalry.  But there is no in-depth coverage of the rivalry, even in the local news.  The near-total lack of any significant national coverage indicates this is a local-interest matter.  Ergo, this is not an encyclopedically WP:Notable topic and cannot have its own article.  Some of the material should probably be merged in WP:SUMMARY style into the school articles under their athletics sections.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete Some info should be included in the school program articles, but given SMcCandlish's analysis the sources don't indicate the notability required for a standalone article.  funplussmart ( talk ) 06:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

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