Word Up! (magazine): QuietHere ( talk | contributions ) 01:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Journalism and Music .  QuietHere ( talk | contributions ) 01:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete per the nomination not seem to full fill the General Notability .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by O chawal ( talk • contribs ) 21:22, November 11, 2023 (UTC) Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Entertainment and United States of America .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 02:45, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak Keep found some books online for sale on amazon & ebay — Preceding unsigned comment added by CAJaganaddamRJY ( talk • contribs ) 06:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ CAJaganaddamRJY could you link these books, preferably from Google Books or elsewhere, so we can see if they're any good as sources?  QuietHere ( talk | contributions ) 15:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Weak Delete It does have some articles that link to it.  It could use some expanding.  Somewhat meets notability standards.  Ktkvtsh ( talk ) 09:05, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Nobody noticed in 2007 that we had two articles on the same subject.   This one even pre-dates the prior AFD discussion.  DGG was right 16 years ago .   That all we have in 16 years is an article sourced to YouTube and some song lyrics, actually confirms what Ashley 2008 , p. 94 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFAshley2008 ( help ) implies: these magazines haven't really been recorded by history.   I can certainly find sources, including that one and Forman 2002 harvnb error: no target: CITEREFForman2002 ( help ) , for an article on Hip-hop magazines ( AFD discussion ), but nothing in-depth about this specific subject.  Delete .  Uncle G ( talk ) 16:40, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Ashley, Jennifer (2008).  "Fanzines".  In Stanley, Tarshia L. (ed.).  Encyclopedia of Hip Hop Literature .  Bloomsbury Publishing.  ISBN 9780313343902 .  Forman, Murray (2002).  "Hip-Hop Media".  The 'Hood Comes First: Race, Space, and Place in Rap and Hip-Hop . Wesleyan University Press. ISBN 9780819563972 . Can anyone see what these books have to say on the subject? Magazines for Libraries by Bill Katz and Linda Sternberg Katz, 1997. Supposedly says something on page 97, based on the Google Books snippet. Encyclopedia of Rap and Hip-Hop Culture by Yvonne Bynoe, 2005. Supposedly says something on page 409, based on the index preview in Amazon. I did find this article about photographer Ernie Paniccioli's work on the magazine. I'd be curious if Cornell could point us toward more information on the magazine itself, since they hold the Ernie Paniccioli Photo Archive . Does a Sotheby's catalog note count toward anything? At least it's evidence of some enduring cultural significance. Zagal e jo ( talk ) 21:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] If anyone in the 2020s still believes that Google Books is uniform, this is yet another counterexample.  I'll take the Bynoe encyclopaedia, which I had to put a full title in to locate, as 1 source.  It's good for some of the basics, although it's pretty short and gets on to the next entry ("WORLD CLASS WRECKIN' CRU") after only a few sentences.   We couldn't really make a whole article from it on its own.   This might be a 1 good source and lots of little one-fact detail sources situation, although I'd personally prefer something a little less superficial than the Bynoe entry, which doesn't even say who the editor was and stuff like that.  Uncle G ( talk ) 00:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : Suprised no one has come across these sources: "Teenagers have new magazine, 'Word Up'" .  New York Amsterdam News .  (August 8, 1987).  Bessman, Jim.  (January 5, 1991).  "The word on new vid magazine 'Word Up' . Billboard . Meara, Paul (August 10, 2023). "Notorious B.I.G. Estate To Relaunch Storied ‘Word Up!’ Magazine" . Black Entertainment Television . This is a hell of a lot better than what most periodicals get. It is also used as a source in many scholarly books and, of course, in Wikipedia, which demonstrates notability outside of direct coverage per WP:NPERIODICAL . Why? I Ask ( talk ) 00:11, 13 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] You shouldn't be.  They have titles "Preview unavailable" and "Document Preview Unavailable" in my part of the planet.   ☺ Uncle G ( talk ) 00:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - I've just added some citations and cleaned the article up a little bit.  I'm surprised they hadn't been linked yet -- there was just a bunch of coverage of the magazine a few months ago because the BIG estate and Budweiser put out two special editions.  I think it gets over the WP:GNG hump.  — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Yeah, this'll do for sure.  Thank you all for finding this coverage; would've been shocked if nothing existed for this.  Easily withdrawn as is.  QuietHere ( talk | contributions ) 22:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep