Mimi Mariani: No real sources beyond a wordpress blog.  Allan Nonymous ( talk ) 00:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers , Bands and musicians , Women ,  and Indonesia .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 01:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment : Why are the other sources cited in the article— pa Siapa Orang Film Indonesia 1926–1978 [ What and Who: Film Figures in Indonesia, 1926–1978 ] ( Sinematek Indonesia , 1979), the national Indonesian newspaper Kompas , and the Indonesian film magazine Film Varia —not real sources ?  Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits ) 08:29, 30 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  Obviously meets WP:NACTOR.  ...- My, oh my!  (Mushy Yank) 11:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  The sources already in the article are "real sources" and establish notability.  Jfire ( talk ) 01:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  Although the article was created by a well-known sockpuppeteer, the individual in question meets the criteria outlined in WP:NACTOR and is genuinely notable.  Ckfasdf ( talk ) 02:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment The nominator tried every type of deletion (CSD, BLPPROD, AFD) to get this article deleted and I don't really understand why.  L iz Read!  Talk!  03:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Liz : It appears that the nominator is actively targeting articles created by Asphonixm, a known sockmaster, due to their history of creating non-notable Indonesian biography articles.  However, some of the articles created by Asphonixm actually feature notable individuals.  Ckfasdf ( talk ) 11:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Yes.  I apologize if I was a bit hasty to characterize sources here, but the sockmaster here has a habit of using rather poor sources or misinterpreting source.  As he has created a lot of articles, I was working with speed in mind here.  Allan Nonymous ( talk ) 17:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Because he isn't trying to nominate a deletion of page based on their notability and rules.  He is trying to delete and revert all of the article/edit that was done by sockpuppet user Asphonixm even though some of the article has notability and was created before the user was blocked.  Like what he did here by put a notability tag [16] ] on Olga Syahputra , the legendary comedian of Indonesia.  And also here when he nominated a deletion for Moesa Pancho due to WP:GNG even though the article has another reliable sources apart from Tempo itself [17] , [18] .  There is also no indication that he did WP:BEFORE before doing the deletion activity [19] .  He always focused on creating a deletion page about Indonesian article even though he himself did not understand the subject or even know the notability of the sources used in the articles [20] [21] .  Based on these two facts, no indication regarding WP:BEFORE and lack of capability to understand the notability of sources used in the article due to language limitations, all of his deletion nominations should be invalid.  202.43.93.9 ( talk ) 03:24, 1 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] — 202.43.93.9 ( talk • contribs ) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  Keep - If this article was targeted for deletion because of the misdeeds of its creator, that is the wrong procedure because a deletion investigation must be focused on the subject of the article.  (See also WP:EASYTARGET .)  Per a Google Books search, the actress is easily found in many histories of Indonesian cinema, and a few of those were already cited before the nominator's dishonest claim about the sources.  The article simply needs to be cleaned up, and could probably be expanded by someone with the skills to investigate old Indonesian books and newspapers.  --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( TALK | CONTRIBS ) 14:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Actually you can target deletion of article due misdeed of its creator provided it qualify for WP:G5 . However it's not the case for this article. Ckfasdf ( talk ) 20:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] You're right and I'm not arguing, but WP:G5 is a speedy delete process, while here we have a full AfD discussion in which a lot more is required from the nominator, including a fully researched analysis of whether the subject is notable . If this nominator is indulging in this process regularly, that might call for an investigation. See the nominator's 31 March admission about "speed" above. --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( TALK | CONTRIBS ) 14:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  The discussion on this page, such as from Doomdsdayer520, demonstrates that there are real sources that do provide sufficient coverage to establish notability.  Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits ) 17:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep - meets WP:NACTOR .  Has had leading roles in film or TV.  Maxcreator ( talk ) 04:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : "Working with speed in mind" is bad practice.  Work with thoughtfulness and care.  Toughpigs ( talk ) 04:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep