Women's roles during the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre : 日期20220626 ( talk ) 05:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women , History , Politics ,  and China .  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep The article is on a viable-looking topic and is well referenced, and can be improved.  Nick-D ( talk ) 10:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge to 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre .  There are a couple of articles that talk about gender in the Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, the Feigon article cited in the artile and there is an article from Radio Free Asia on the forgotten legacy of women and the protests.  I agree with the nominator about how the text does not match the title of the page, and I do not think there is sufficient information for a stand-alone page, especially as the women mentioned in the article all have a stand-alone page, so no information will be lost.  -- Enos733 ( talk ) 18:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk ) 06:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete As per the nominator, the article is more like a compilation of the acts of some individuals rather than discussing the role of women.  The article 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre is already very large hence I would oppose a merge.  I think relevant information not appearing in the stand-alone articles should be copied across, for example the section on Wang Chaohua .  Golem08 ( talk ) 13:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Absolutely fascinating!  Please do not merge with anything else.  People can only read so much before they get bored and look for something else.   Per the "1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre" navbox, there are numerous related articles.   Won't hurt to leave this as is.  — Maile ( talk ) 01:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  Although the article isn't in the best condition with its over-focus on four particular women's participation rather  rather than on summarizing more general academic synthesis of the women's history of the event in general, I find the essay Deletion is not cleanup persuasive in this case.  Deleting an article about a valid topic makes it more difficult to improve later, and even in this non-ideal state the article remains educational and of interest.  Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits ) 08:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I think the challenge once cleanup is completed (deemphasizing the sections on the four women), you are left with the one paragraph opening, containing only one reference.  And much of that prose is unreferenced - (e.g. "many women contributed their opinions and leadership skills to the movement" and "Although women had substantial roles, they had different standpoints regarding the hunger strike movement").  While I agree this is the case, the expectation is that there would be general academic synthesis of the women's history of the event.  But those sources do not seem to be there, even with a Google Scholar search.  - Enos733 ( talk ) 16:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep .  This seems to be a legitimate subject.  Summarizing more general academic synthesis of the women's history of the event would be fine and possible, but we should also include all specific women/examples as they are right now.  No significant removals of text would be needed.  My very best wishes ( talk ) 19:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep