Dear Santa (upcoming film): Existing sources are nowhere than procedural announcements only.  WP:DRAFTIFY should be the better option.  Twinkle1990 ( talk ) 15:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and United States of America .  Twinkle1990 ( talk ) 15:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : has been accepted through AfC.  Filming has started.  Even if this is never released, cast and director are extremely notable and most of all, coverage presented in the page or existing online is sufficient to satisfy the general requirements for notability.  - My, oh my!  (Mushy Yank) 17:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources .  Wikipedia:Notability (films)#Future films, incomplete films, and undistributed films says: Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date.  The assumption should also not be made that because a film is likely to be a high-profile release it will be immune to setbacks—there is no "sure thing" production.  Until the start of principal photography, information on the film might be included in articles about its subject material, if available.  Sources must be used to confirm the start of principal photography after shooting has begun.  ...  Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines .  Similarly, films produced in the past which were either not completed or not distributed should not have their own articles, unless their failure was notable per the guidelines.  The sources verify that the film commenced principal photography in March 2023 in Atlanta, Georgia.  The production is notable per Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline because it has received significant coverage in reliable sources.  Sources Ho, Rodney (2023-03-16).  "Jack Black, Farrelly Brothers reunite for 'Dear Santa' comedy shooting in metro Atlanta" .  The Atlanta Journal-Constitution .  Archived from the original on 2024-07-04 .  Retrieved 2024-07-04 .  The article notes: "Jack Black is back in metro Atlanta to shoot the Farrelly Brothers Christmas-themed comedy “Dear Santa.” ... Black was seen in downtown Decatur last week shooting the film and he posted an Instagram photo from the set teasing the movie’s thematics in what appeared to be a Christmas village. ... Others in the cast include Robert Timothy Smith, Keegan-Michael Key, Brianne Howey, Hayes MacArthur, PJ Byrne, Jaden Carson Baker, Kai Cech and Austin Post."  Kroll, Justin (2023-03-15).  "Jack Black & The Farrelly Brothers Reunite For Christmas Comedy 'Dear Santa' At Paramount" .  Deadline Hollywood .  Archived from the original on 2024-07-04 .  Retrieved 2024-07-04 .  The article notes: "The movie centers on a young boy who, in writing his yearly note to Santa, mixes up the letters and sends it to Satan instead. Black recently teased the project on social media when he posted a photo of him posing with Christmas decorations with no context — it got everyone talking about what it could be."  Couch, Aaron (2023-03-15).  "Jack Black, Farrelly Brothers Team for Paramount's 'Dear Santa' " .  The Hollywood Reporter .  Archived from the original on 2024-07-04 .  Retrieved 2024-07-04 .  Thea article notes: "After more than 20 years, Jack Black is reteaming with his Shallow Hal filmmakers the Farrelly Brothers for the Paramount comedy Dear Santa. The feature centers on a child who intends to write a letter to Santa Claus, but mixes up the letters and sends it to Satan instead. Bobby Farrelly will direct and produce, with brother Peter Farrelly producing along with Jeremy Kramer. The Farrelly brothers penned the script with Ricky Blitt, the writer behind the 2005 Johnny Knoxville feature The Ringer . The story came from an original idea from Dan Ewen, known for the John Cena comedy Playing With Fire ."  Bedard, Mike (2024-06-03).  "Jack Black Is Unrecognizable As Satan For A New Christmas Movie" .  Looper .  Archived from the original on 2024-07-04 .  Retrieved 2024-07-04 .  The article notes: "Following his previous Christmas movie, 2006's "The Holiday" — where he was half of one of the most memorable holiday movie couples ever as Miles — Jack Black is dipping back into the Christmas spirit with a decidedly different project and character. Now fans can see him become unrecognizable as Satan on the set of the upcoming flick, "Dear Santa. "" Hedash, Kara (2024-04-03). "Post Malone's Next Movie Is More Promising After Road House's $85 Million Success" . Screen Rant . Archived from the original on 2024-07-04 . Retrieved 2024-07-04 . The article notes: "Next up, Post Malone will star in the upcoming Christmas comedy Dear Santa alongside Jack Black and Keegan-Michael Key.  It's unclear who Post Malone will be playing in Dear Santa, but the movie's premise will undoubtedly catch attention, considering it follows a young kid who accidentally writes a letter to Satan (Black) instead of Santa ahead of the Christmas holiday.  The movie also reunites Black with the Farrelly Brothers, who collaborated together on 2001's Shallow Hal.  Dear Santa will be another chance for Post Malone to showcase his comedic chops while also trying his hand at a Christmas movie for the first time in his acting career. " There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Dear Santa to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline , which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard ( talk ) 09:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment : both keep votes appear to have missed the films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines part of NFILM. Is the production itself notable? I don't see any evidence that there is, which would make this an improper AfC acceptance and lead to redraftification until we have a release date. -- asilvering ( talk ) 18:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] ??? I don't think Cunard nor myself have missed that part, no. Cunard even quoted it VERBATIM in his !vote. Rather, maybe you missed the part in our !votes when we found it is notable, explained why and/or the evidence presented by Cunard above, present in the page or existing online Thank you. - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Cunard quoted it verbatim, yes, but his sources don't address it at all? All of these quotes he's pulled are basically "this movie is coming up! it's started shooting! here are some guys who are in it!"  That's not the production of the movie being notable. That's simply people saying that the movie is currently being produced. -- asilvering ( talk ) 18:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The sources discuss the film's production ("Jack Black is back in metro Atlanta to shoot the Farrelly Brothers Christmas-themed comedy"), its plot ("The movie centers on a young boy who, in writing his yearly note to Santa, mixes up the letters and sends it to Satan instead."), its director and producers ("Bobby Farrelly will direct and produce, with brother Peter Farrelly producing along with Jeremy Kramer."), who wrote the script ("The Farrelly brothers penned the script with Ricky Blitt"), and background about the script ("The story came from an original idea from Dan Ewen"). There is enough coverage about the film's background to establish notability. Cunard ( talk ) 09:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Cunard , saying "Jack Black is in a place to shoot a film" is not discussing the film's production. For one, it's not discussing , in any sense of the word; it doesn't tell us anything about the film's production other than that it's happening. The "production is notable" part of WP:NFILM allows us to have articles on films that are not out and are not likely to come out, but are nonetheless notable. Like The Man Who Killed Don Quixote , which spent decades in development hell before finally coming out in 2018. The Island of Dr. Moreau (1996 film) is another example - you can see on that article that almost all of the content we have is about the production of the film. These are examples of films where the production is notable, which is completely different from "the movie was mentioned in the press while it was in production".  -- asilvering ( talk ) 20:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Here's an example of one that is still unreleased, as another example: Coyote vs. Acme . -- asilvering ( talk ) 20:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, Star Mississippi 18:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] It might have enoough to pass GNG, but it's simply a news story at this point.  Might never get released.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 19:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC Draft until it's a bit further in the production cycle.  TO9SOON.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 19:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : The production itself meets WP:GNG .  See above sources by Cunard.  C F A 💬 21:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk ) 19:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] weak keep The film has notable individuals attached, including Jack Black and the Farrelly Brothers, and is backed by Paramount Pictures.  However, its current state lacks comprehensive secondary sources that offer in-depth coverage.  Improving the article with more references from reliable sources can bolster its credibility and notability.  Yakov-kobi ( talk ) 00:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] This sounds like it was taken straight from ChatGPT.  Did you write this comment yourself?  C F A 💬 19:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep : I see several Keep and one Draftify ! votes.  Draftifying the article does not seem like a good option to me, as the nominator's rationale is based on TOOSOON.  The article would essentially just sit in draftspace until a release date is announced.  The content of the article would not see a great difference, and I do not see why this wait cannot be done within the mainspace.  The subject film commenced filming last year, satisfying NFF.  Some of the Keep ! votes are based on GNG, but the coverage is a bit weak imv, only covering the basic production details.  However, I agree that the notable cast and crew should be sufficient to meet NFO .  So I believe the film has enough notability to warrant an independent article, and it is never too late to file for an AFD if the film ends up being scrapped.  — Prince of Erebor （ The Book of Mazarbul ） 13:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep