Trenkwalder: Without a notable entity of this name, the article should be deleted.  Chris Troutman ( talk ) 15:01, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions .  Chris Troutman ( talk ) 15:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Chris troutman : This page is an anthroponymy SIA as opposed to a dab: see WP:SIANOTDAB .  There are actually many SIAs without a blue link entry, such as Feraye (name) and Aziory .  NmWTfs85lXusaybq ( talk ) 16:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Except when it was Special:Permalink/801021320 .   ☺ Uncle G ( talk ) 16:29, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Does it matter?  The promotional article has already been overwritten by a dab (which I later converted to a SIA) since 2018.  If necessary, just split the history from the current article.  NmWTfs85lXusaybq ( talk ) 16:57, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Yes, because the administrator deletion tool deletes an entire edit history not an article title.  Uncle G ( talk ) 08:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] @ NmWTfs85lXusaybq : Thanks for pointing that out because I've been here ten years and never saw WP:SIA.  The subject still isn't notable, and the entries in de-wiki are themselves probably not notable.  Chris Troutman ( talk ) 16:32, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment , (1) this article was hijacked from being an article about a company, to which an IP editor took objection, and who converted it into this rather strange list; (2) it doesn't qualify as a SIA as there is no special notability in the set of people sharing this particular name.  In fact it's very rare for a family name to have set-notability unless the people who share the name are related, and a sufficient number of them are individually wiki-notable for people to want to write about them; the whole concept of SIA's doesn't really help family-name articles; (3) and it's all the wrong way round.  Actually I think there's a chance some of these individuals are wikinotable, and this could be a reasonable DAB page, but we write the articles first, and the DAB pages afterwards .  So at the moment, as a DAB page I'd delete it, but are we happy to ignore its history as a genuine article about a largish company that clearly exists/existed?  Which article are we truly aiming to delete, here?  One option might be to restore it as an article about the company, possibly moving to a different title, and permit the recreation of a DAB page if anyone cares to translate the DE articles about the various people of this name.  Elemimele ( talk ) 16:58, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] For a fair discussion about this page, I restored the original dab-page as it was before being redirected and slashed.  The Banner talk 16:53, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Trenkwalder seems to have been bought out by the Droege group, for which there's a German wikipedia article, [7] but we don't have one as a redirect target.  We do have an article about Droege's founder, Walter Droege .  Elemimele ( talk ) 17:03, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] I have again restored the original disambiguation page and reverted hijacking the page by user:NmWTfs85lXusaybq.  He seems very persistent in his attempt to destroy this page.  The Banner talk 17:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The article about the company is the original one and got hijacked by a dab.  Just keep it as it was when the AfD started or restore it to the original one.  NmWTfs85lXusaybq ( talk ) 18:00, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Out of our hands now; I guess you should have left well-enough alone.  Chris Troutman ( talk ) 18:01, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Austria .  NmWTfs85lXusaybq ( talk ) 17:28, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Right, this is ridiculous; we can't discuss a moving target.  Here is my ! vote for the admin who closes this: Restore original version of this article and move to Trenkwalder Group AG , and delete this DAB page (as it's not a SIA), unless sufficient genuine Trenkwalder articles emerge to justify a genuine DAB.  As I write, there are only two links, one of which is tenuous.  It is conceivable that there are other notable Trenkwalders based on the German Wikipedia, but we don't seem to have the articles to disambiguate here, yet.  Elemimele ( talk ) 22:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] So, we had a redirect that was nominated for deletion and after an alternative was offered that RfD was closed as a "procedural close" (what IMHO was incorrect, as the nomination was withdrawn by the nominator).  Then we got a slashed version of the original dab-page, what I corrected to the original dab-page (i.e. the version that got redirected), then an article of a company showed up, then the original dab, then the slashed dab again.  What are we now discussing in this AfD?  The Banner talk 22:57, 23 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] As a point of order which doesn't really help, I was the RfD nominator and I did not withdraw the nomination.  It's here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 23#Trenkwalder .  Shhhnotsoloud ( talk ) 09:03, 24 February 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Given the nature of the deletion tool, I'd say the question is: Is there anything in this edit history, any form of this article, that we want and can justify per policy?  Is the company notable?   Is the list of people with this surname, and potential translations from the German Wikipedia, at various points also including a redlink for the very same company bizarrely inviting editors to write the original article all over again , suitable?  90.253.253.200

Discussion outcome: no consensus