Viva Van: She worked on small independent promotions.  She had a few matches with big promotions, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED .  Most of the sources are just WP:RESULTS with no in-deep coverage of the wrestler HHH Pedrigree ( talk ) 10:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople , Women , Wrestling ,  and California .  Shellwood ( talk ) 11:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : Just not enough in RS to keep the article; this is all I can find [13] , rest are match reports.  Tried using a search listed under Wiki Wrestling [14] , none turn up.  Oaktree b ( talk ) 12:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Stay : Viva Van currently works for Ring of Honor & AEW so that should be enough notability for her page to stay, it could also be in the hopes of her someday capturing a ROH TV Women's title or a AEW Women's or AEW TBS title or even a New Japan Women's or New Japan Strong Women's title or Wonder Ring Stardom Women's title while still in the indy's if given enough time or she could even soon or someday sign with WWE , so I think that that should be enough for her page should stay around.  Because she also is still a very active indy wrestler today.  (She also was trained by Rikishi and probably is apart of the Samoan / Polynesian Heritage / Bloodline . Which could do good if she we're to someday join WWE as well. She was also apart of the ROH TV Women's title tournament, so that should also be enough notability for her page to stay.) 71.65.161.223 ( talk ) 11:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Even that, most of the article are just WP:RESULTS, with no focus on her.  Most of the article looks like wants to present the wrestler as notable by comparation.  "made her debut for Thunder Rosa's Mission Pro Wrestling in May 2021 in a Triple Threat match against Impact Wrestler Masha Slamovich ", "Van was defeated by CMLL Veteran Estrellita." "June 2019, Viva teamed up with WWE wrestler MVP", like namedropping.  Also, Reddit is not a valid source.  -- HHH Pedrigree ( talk ) 22:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] But she has returned to take on Willow Nightingale & Lluvia for the CMLL World Women's Championship it was announced today and she also tried out for WWE in 2020 & in 2022.  Hopefully with those two things now added to her page could change something or could make her page stay.  71.65.161.223 ( talk ) 22:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete : Not seeing enough independent and significant coverage to meet the WP:GNG .  The vast majority of the sources are match results, blogs, interviews, or are non-RS.  Working for a certain promotion does not grant inherent notability.  Let'srun ( talk ) 02:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.  Please add new comments below this notice.  Thanks, ✗ plicit 11:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: delete