Altar (Dutch band): Was kept at AfD back in 2006, when standards were a lot different.  Natg 19 ( talk ) 01:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Netherlands .  Natg 19 ( talk ) 01:45, 26 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep —The rationale behind the 2006 keep was that Altar satisfies criterion 5 of WP:BAND .  Can you show that it doesn't?  (no answer, vote changed to Keep) 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Based on above excellent point - more than two recordings issued on a blue-linked Dutch indy label - "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)" I note from the Displeased Records article that many of the artists on the label's roster are bluelinks.  Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk ) 14:21, 26 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Speedy, procedural keep .  Nominator does not address the overwhelming consensus to keep last time on its merrits.  In addition, this nomination is in blatant disragard of the WP:NEXIST rule.  Moderator intervention requested against this attempt to relitigate without pointing at specific grounds as there are already way too many AfDs also without nominations of this sort! gidonb ( talk ) 00:33, 27 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Undecided, with Comment - A consensus from 2006 is pretty near irrelevant today because of how much the music notability rules have changed over that time.  Just browse the history page at WP:NMUSIC .  The nominator noted this.  Meanwhile, none of the voters above have delivered any reliable sources, even the one who cited WP:NEXIST while accusing the nominator of not doing the same.  I happened to find this without too much trouble, but I'm undecided on the band's notability because the only other things I can find are blog-like album reviews.  --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( TALK | CONTRIBS ) 14:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I quoted WP:NBAND , as did @ Festucalex - that's your notability argument, right there.  Made it, got the t-shirt, wearing it proudly.  Them's the notability rules today , BTW.. .  Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk ) 15:47, 27 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Just to clarify what you think you're arguing about, I said providing sources and not pointing at a policy.  --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( TALK | CONTRIBS ) 18:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] @ Doomsdayer520 : There is enough evidence [44] [45] [46] (albeit from very low-quality sources) that Altar released more than 2 albums with Displeased Records , which would make Altar notable per WP:BAND as pointed out above.  However, I do not believe it difficult to challenge the notability of Displeased Records itself.  If Displeased is struck down, Altar will go down with it in a 3rd AfD.  Until then, it's a keep from me.  〜 Festucalex • talk 19:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] My keep is a procedural keep.  I only noted that this is an improper nomination so no need to tell me what wasn't there.  It shouldn't have been there.  From my perspective, there is nothing wrong with any keep on this page.  Only with the nomination.  gidonb ( talk ) 22:46, 29 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Passes WP:MUSICBIO for having 2 or more albums on major label.  Naomijeans ( talk ) 17:48, 28 July 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep