2023 Guyana Defence Force helicopter crash: Accidental helicopter crash during a political crisis and no armed conflict.  NoonIcarus ( talk ) 11:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military , Aviation , South America ,  and Venezuela .  NoonIcarus ( talk ) 11:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Comment Notifying main article contributors, as well as participants at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Template:Campaignbox 2023 Guayana Esequiba crisis , who discussed the crash: @ Moondragon21 , RandomInfinity17 , User6619018899273 , Super Dromaeosaurus , WMrapids , SamPro910 , WikiCleanerMan ,  and FelipeFritschF : -- NoonIcarus ( talk ) 11:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Note:  This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions .  WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 17:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep: the helicopter was flying near the border because of the crises.  The goverment increased border patrolea.  Due to the crises this helicopter was flying and thus crashed.  LuxembourgLover ( talk ) 17:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .  It seems almost certain that the crash was an accident and unrelated to the actual crisis.  It doesn't affect the crisis itself.  I have also mentioned in the talk page for it that WP:NOTNEWS , and while it's true that the reason it was there was because of the border patrols, that is only incidental to the crash, itself a fatality.  Similarly, a Brazilian army truck full of munitions crashed and exploded near the border as part of reinforcing the region, but that deserves no Wikipedia article, and neither does this.  FelipeFritschF ( talk ) 21:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Delete .  Per longstanding consensus, routine military aviation accidents are not considered notable.  Clarityfiend ( talk ) 23:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] It is already mentioned in 2023 Guayana Esequiba crisis in a "missing" section, which I will update have updated.  Clarityfiend ( talk ) 23:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep: While it can possibly be included in the larger article, it was also one of the deadliest incidents that the Guyanese military experienced since its independence, it resulted with the death of a high-level officer and the notability of the crash itself has received international attention. -- WMrapids ( talk ) 19:07, 18 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep for now then check back after sometime if it ever had WP:LASTING impact or not. Capitals00 ( talk ) 19:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] I would argue it is the other way around. It is WP:TOOSOON to determine lasting impact, and we should come back to this once the time passes. -- NoonIcarus ( talk ) 08:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep the page since the Guyanese Defence Forces PROBABLY were preparing for an invasion from Venezuela, and one of the helicopters prepared had just crashed.  The page may be a WP:NOTNEWS but so is many of the recent aviation accidents in 2023.  71.223.172.140 ( talk ) 00:26, 19 December 2023 (UTC) — 71.223.172.140 ( talk ) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  [ reply ] Keep - I see no rationale that Wikipedia would be made worse for keeping this article, and it has the potential to marginally improve Wikipedia.  I also just read the NOT NEWS bullet points, and could not identify which of them would be used to justify the deletion of this article.  Thanks to all for their contributions.  KConWiki ( talk ) 02:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Merge key details to Guyana Defence Force - we have very little on the air wing there.  Buckshot06 (talk) 21:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Leaning keep , as this appears to be a well-sourced incident.  BD2412 T 02:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] Keep Well sourced incident, notable if it happened in the U.S. Tooncool64 ( talk ) 07:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC) [ reply ] The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review ).  No further edits should be made to this page.

Discussion outcome: keep