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Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Ms. Lori Idlout: Uqaqtittiji , 19,000 Canadians were affected by the Equifax breach, and 600,000 were affected by the Cambridge Analytica breach that was exposed in 2018, yet compensation for Canadians was far less than what it was for Americans. Does the member not think it is time for reform to bring parity and equivalency to citizens on both sides of the border?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mrs. Stephanie Kusie: what we really need to be thinking about is our own citizens and our intentions in the House. That also includes our own doings, not only within the House, but within the businesses we own and run. Before considering others, we absolutely have to consider whether our actions, not only within this House, but also on the periphery of what we are doing just outside of it, could be perceived as negative or a conflict of interest, so I think it is always important to think about ourselves first.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Rick Perkins: the government introduced this bill last June and one of the claims the minister made in his opening speech was that he was protecting children in this 120-page bill, yet the word "minors" appears once in the definitions section. It states that the sensitive information of minors must be protected in the bill, but it does not define what a minor is or sensitive information. I wonder if the member could comment on whether or not that really has any power or validity to protect children, which we all want to do--
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Hon. Robert Oliphant: I would like to thank the member for her thoughtful contribution to this debate. I think she opened a couple of important doors, such as the need for good governance, which is critical, but also the possibility that AI can be used for good if it is governed appropriately. With respect to that, I just want to draw her attention to Mila, the Quebec Artificial Intelligence Institute, which is working with Unesco, not only on good governance but also on how AI can be used for humanitarian and human rights activities. Is there, in her thinking, a way we can get this right, to use AI for good as well making sure it is governed well?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner: I had the opportunity to speak in a large debate, actually with Noam Chomsky, if one can believe it, with the Montreal institute for artificial intelligence, on a similar topic. The reality is that, with AI, the toothpaste is out of the tube. We are not putting it back in. It is incumbent upon humanity to answer that question with a positive outcome that we are putting guardrails around AI so it is developed in the best interest of humanity and propels humanity forward. We need a governance system that allows us to do this. I am not speaking maliciously against AIDA. It was written at a time well before the technological advances that happened, and it is not going to meet the needs of what my colleague opposite is describing. I would encourage him to go back to his caucus to say that we need to take this component of the bill out. The government needs to rethink it and Parliament needs to think in a non-partisan way about how we are going to drive to that outcome, with smart governance.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Rene Villemure: I thank my colleague for her speech. Obviously, artificial intelligence can be put to good or bad use. One thing puzzles me, though. Generative AI, which describes ChatGPT, has recently displayed truly superior ability. It managed to gather a trove of data that would have been unimaginable even a few months ago. However, the legality of how this trove of data was obtained is unclear. In relation to the part of Bill C-27 that deals with personal information and privacy, I would like to ask my colleague if she is concerned about how ChatGPT obtains data.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner: I am so glad we are having this debate. The large language model technology ChatGPT, as well as the Sydney chatbot, is based on these other technologies. It scrapes and uses massive data sets that may or may not be ethical to use, or as my colleague rightly mentions, they may have issues intellectual property ownership. It is the Wild West. There are no rules around this. I would like to draw my colleague's attention on this matter to the fact that, without some sort of international agency preventing the balkanization of rules, and because data privacy is such a global network, unless we are taking that problem and working on it with peer countries, it is going to become even more of an issue. He is absolutely right. Senator Deacon and I are starting a working group on these issues. I hope we can come up with some consensus before we have entrenched partisan positions on this to show that Canada will be a world leader in facilitating a global conversation on this and getting it right.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Don Davies: I would like to ask my hon. colleague about consent rights under this bill. Individuals, under Bill C-27 , would have significantly diminished control over the collection, use and disclosure of their personal data. The new consent provisions ask the public to instill what could be an extraordinary amount of trust in businesses to keep themselves accountable as the bill's exceptions to consent allow organizations to conduct many kinds of activities without even the knowledge of individuals. The flexibility, under this bill, would allow organizations to shape the scope of not only legitimate interests but also what is reasonable, necessary and socially beneficial. Does my hon. colleague share my concerns about the consent rights provisions of this bill, and does she have any suggestions as to what might improve it?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner: my colleague raises an excellent point. I wish I had three hours to address the privacy components of Bill C-27 . I am certainly very keen to follow, should this make it to committee, what happens there. I am of the opinion that this should not make it to committee. There are so many amendments that need to be made on the privacy components, but more importantly because AIDA was tacked on as an afterthought to this bill. They need to be parsed out so due consideration can be given to the issues my colleague just raised. I think this bill is two bills, with half of it being something out of date and obsolete already. The government could have a far better approach. I hope the public servants in the lobby are listening to this and take this consideration to heart.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Kevin Lamoureux: I share many of the concerns and comments members are making with respect to how quickly things are changing. AI, and the impact it is having on society, is quite significant. Where I am inclined to disagree with the member is that the legislation itself at least brings Canada forward, though maybe not to the degree some would like to see. There is the opportunity, after passing it through second reading, to bring it to committee and look at ways in which we can improve the legislation. Could the member provide his thoughts on whether the Conservative Party, even if it does not see this as perfect legislation, at least sees it as a step forward that would be good to go to committee, where potential amendments could be made to make it even stronger legislation if they feel that is necessary?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Marty Morantz: what I find interesting about the member's comments is that it just seems that the Liberals never met an industry they did not try to kill. In Holland 100 years ago, the wooden shoes were called "sabots". When people threw them into the windmill to gum up the gears, that is where the term "sabotage" comes from, which is what this government tries to do in every single industry it meets, including AI. Canada has the expertise, the educated computer scientists and technology experts in this country, to be a world leader in the development of AI, but the bill would create a 5% penalty on worldwide income and give all the power of regulations to the minister. If I were going to invest in AI, I would be--
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Rene Villemure: in his speech, my colleague referred to privacy as a fundamental right. The former privacy commissioner also raised the topic of privacy as a fundamental right before the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics. I would like to know what he means when he uses these words. Does he consider privacy to be a fundamental right?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Marty Morantz: we have, for example, the ruling of Justice La Forest on it 34 years ago. We have section 8 of the charter, which has been interpreted by the courts as protecting privacy rights. Privacy is what this bill should be all about. It is because of concerns over people's personal, private information that this attempt to legislate the issue is in front of us. However, the fact of the matter is that there are so many exceptions to the rule that it really would not at all do what it is supposed to do. In fact, it would really make matters worse.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Brian Masse: there were a lot of good issues that my colleague raised in this context, but I am concerned about where the Conservatives are at this moment, and maybe he can outline the alternative. Right now, if we do not send the bill to committee, we then trust it to go back to the government and basically assume that it might do more consultation, that it might look at other legislation, that it will even bring the bill back and that the House could actually stand around for that process. If we do nothing on it, we then exclude all the commentary and information we should be getting from hundreds of witnesses who want to actually participate in a public debate on this right now. Perhaps the member can lay out his party's vision on how long it will take AI to actually be raised in a responsible manner outside of the controls of the government alone, if the bill does not go to committee and we shut everything down now.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Marty Morantz: the problem with this legislation is that it is just so fundamentally flawed. We just could not deal with all the changes that need to be made in the context of a committee. As just one example, when it comes to protecting the privacy rights of children, there is only one mention in the entire bill. It does not define "minor". It does not define "sensitive information". If this were a serious attempt at legislation, we would have, at the very minimum, hard and fast protections for the privacy rights of children, but the bill just does not do it. That is only one thing out of dozens of things. The bill needs to go back to the drawing board. It needs to be more like what they have done in the European Union and it needs to protect Canadians' privacy.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Kevin Lamoureux: the member started off by talking about the sense of urgency that is there, because of the timing. It has been many years since we have seen the modernization of legislation to deal, in a substantial way, with the issue of privacy on the Internet. There are all forms of data banks and other things that are out there. People want to have the assurance that the national government is in fact acting on the issue. My concern is that the Conservative Party seems to be determined not to see privacy legislation. Even if it disagrees with it, the principles of the legislation are very positive. Why would the Conservative Party not want to see this legislation at least get to the committee stage, where it could be further discussed?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Michael Cooper: to answer the parliamentary secretary to the government House leader, the bill is fundamentally flawed. It is unsupportable on that basis. If it were a matter of a few amendments, it would make sense to send the bill to committee on the basis that the bill was supportable on principle, but that is not the case with the bill. Indeed, with respect to the consent provisions of the bill, the bill arguably would take a step back from the completely inadequate measures that were provided in PIPEDA.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Michael Cooper: what we need with respect to the AI component of the bill is clarity, and we need certainty. What we do not need is the power grab the government has afforded itself, whereby the minister would be afforded enormous powers by way of regulations that would create significant uncertainty. There was a complete lack of consultation. I believe the consultation only began in June, and that underscores why the bill needs to be scrapped and needs to be defeated. The government needs to go back, do its homework, engage in consultation and get this right.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Ms. Lindsay Mathyssen: we have been talking a lot today about, as I have certainly heard clearly from the Conservatives, how the bill is without redemption and cannot be fixed as it is just too flawed. One of the previous speakers for the Conservatives mentioned that maybe it could be split into two because it is so large, and certainly I agree. There are so many things that are the matter with the bill, and this is not the first time we have seen Liberal legislation that is highly flawed and that we must try to spend a great deal of time fixing. However, the parliamentary secretary and my own colleague noted the timing, and going back and taking our time knowing the industry is moving so quickly and the technology is moving so quickly. Are there any recommendations the member could make for when it goes to committee? Maybe splitting the bill into two would be potentially helpful so we can take our time. The bill is out there, so what can we do to make it better?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Michael Cooper: if the bill is passed, given the trend with respect to data practices, the bill will be, for all intents and purposes, already out of date, and that is a problem. However, I would submit that if it is studied at committee, which I expect it will be, it would require significant amendments around protecting the individual privacy rights of Canadians. There are major gaps missing from the legislation that I outlined, including with respect to sensitive information. There is a lack of broad categories, and the fact that this is not defined needs to be worked on. There are a whole lot of other provisions. There are many, in fact, which is why we cannot support the bill.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Kevin Lamoureux: the legislation the member makes reference to is there, in essence, to modernize the broadcasting industry. This has been pointed out. It is there to ensure a more level playing field. It is there to ensure that some of these big worldwide tech firms are contributing to Canadian content. This legislation is there to protect the privacy of Canadians. A lot of this legislation, and there is a substantial amount, is there because there is a need for it. It is needed as the Internet and technology continue to grow, whether it is AI or the many other types of data fields people are worried about. Would the member not agree that we need to change with the times and bring in this type of legislation in order to protect the interests and the--
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mrs. Cheryl Gallant: the member opposite should realize that the Internet is not a form of broadcasting. The Broadcasting Act was brought in to regulate the different bandwidths and the allocations to different stations. We do not need that with the Internet. Instead of regulating technology in the public's interest, they are now regulating speech in the interest of the legacy media. Let us get the privacy bill to committee so that it can be improved and passed.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Rene Villemure: my colleague spoke at length about regulating AI. I wonder if she is aware of the European Union bill called the AI Act that was introduced in November 2021 and is currently being studied for adoption by the European Union. Does she believe we should wait and take guidance from this standard, which is set to become the golden rule internationally anyway?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mrs. Cheryl Gallant: I am not certain that what is good for Europe is necessarily good for Canada. In fact, a lot of things that are decided for Europe are definitely not in the best interest of Canada. That being said, I do not believe we should be rushing into artificial intelligence legislation. We could certainly look at what is generated from the European study without committing to its adoption in Canada. We need to make sure we get it right; gathering as much information as we can about how to get it right is what is important.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Ms. Lori Idlout: Uqaqtittiji , the NDP has been fighting for privacy rights and released a digital bill of rights several years ago. It has been trying to talk about consent provisions for years. Does the member agree that there needs to be strengthened wording regarding valid consent by restoring understanding in the PIPEDA under section 6.1 of the act?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mrs. Cheryl Gallant: a person's data is personal, private property. It is the individual's right to decide who should and should not have it. It should not be some automatic, microscopic text that people need to click on in order to get something they need in a hurry without really understanding the full ramifications of what they are consenting to. Instead of putting consent all through it, what we should do is enshrine what our property rights are when it comes to information that pertains to us individually.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mrs. Cheryl Gallant: I am using Facebook Live right now because it is another way to allow Canadians to know what happens in this chamber. Some of them are on a bus or at school, and they do not have access to a television. However, it is not broadcasting like a TV station. This is something they can access on their own without the need to collect a specific--
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
The Assistant Deputy Speaker: It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for South Okanagan--West Kootenay , Forestry Industry; the hon. member for Spadina--Fort York , The Budget.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Rick Perkins: that was a very interesting speech from my colleague, who is the chair of the industry committee and does great work on that committee. I enjoyed my few short months on the committee serving with him. I have a specific question about the issue of balancing an individual's privacy rights with the expectation that corporations and services actually use the individual's data to give the individual a better experience: In order to have a better legal standing to protect an individual's privacy rights, could the member tell us why the government did not put fundamental privacy as an individual right in clause 5, the purpose of the bill?
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Joel Lightbound: from my understanding, the reason invoked by the government is some jurisdictional issues, but I am unclear, and that is one of the questions I will be more than happy if he asks in committee. If he does not, I will, to understand why it has not been enshrined. In my mind, it would be worthwhile having privacy as a fundamental right, enshrined not only in the preamble of the bill but also in clause 5, because it would give more weight to privacy when courts are asked to interpret this bill, which to me, as I have mentioned in my speech, is a fundamental right and a fundamental aspect of our democratic life.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Rene Villemure: I thank my colleague from Louis-Hebert for his speech. I thought it was open, balanced and reasonable, which is unsurprising coming from someone who refers to Jankelevitch and courage. I would like to know what he thinks about Europe's ongoing efforts to draft the AI act, which could become a global standard, as the General Data Protection Regulation did for privacy protection.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
M. Joel Lightbound: I am following the debate. If we look at Europe, it seems quite complicated to create a framework to govern artificial intelligence. However, I think we should draw inspiration from Europe's efforts. The Standing Committee on Industry and Technology is certainly going to want more information about how the Europeans are going about it. One thing is certain. I think what makes this so difficult is that the technology is evolving so fast. The part of Bill C-27 that deals with AI, as currently proposed, gives the government the freedom to do a lot through regulation, which is not necessarily ideal as far as I am concerned. However, when it comes to AI, I doubt that there is any other option. Today we are talking about ChatGPT, but I can almost guarantee that by next year, if not this summer, we will have moved on to something completely different. The situation is changing so fast that I think we need to be very nimble in dealing with AI. I have heard the Conservative member for Calgary Nose Hill , whom I see eye to eye with on these issues, use the word nimble. What I like about Bill C-27 is that it creates the position of a commissioner who reports to the minister and who will look into these issues. I have long believed that we should have someone to oversee AI, someone to study all the new capabilities and the risks of accidents that this poses--because there are serious risks--and to be able to translate this into terms that the general public, legislators and the House can understand.
Digital Charter Implementation Act, 2022
Date: 2023_04_20
Chamber: HOUSE OF COMMONS
Mr. Gord Johns: I guess there are a few things that I would like to learn from my hon. colleague. We know that since the Liberals came into power, foreign tech giants have more than tripled their lobbying efforts in Ottawa, especially with the Liberal government, and Amazon, Google and Facebook have been a large part of that. I would love to hear his concerns or thoughts around that. Bill C-27 does not explicitly apply to political parties. As we have seen in the past, and we just saw the Green Party have a breach, which was unfortunate, the possibility of privacy breaches and misuse exists in the political arena. Does my colleague agree that the bill should be amended to specifically include political parties?