Hiya sorry if the post to my discussion board Man was not from you I also live in Wigan and dont understand where u find the massive open space between town and Orrell Pem and Orrell are practically the same place the whole area from Orrell through Pem to the town centre is urban you dont drive down country lanes to get to Orrell you do see a bit of green driving from Orrell to the bottom of Billinge The point about Skem is that it is included in something called the Wigan Urban Area not that its in Wigan