WikiportalUkraine   I like it One question you mentioned boards on my talk page where are they  Just look at several windows at the portal In one window at the righthand side you will see new article announcement board and Ukrainerelated Wikipedia notice board Also use Portals own talk page to discuss portal itself Add all these to your watchlist Feel free to update any window and especially current news Finally dont be afraid to screw up Anything can be easily reverted by you or anyone else Regards  July    UTC  See Wikipedia talkWikiportalUkraine re double edit   July   UTC   Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine  I also very well understand what is behind your editings and would like to remind you that Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine Any wrong information should be removed from the articles and be sure it will be removed This my positive contribution to the Wikipedia It improves the quality of the resource because wrong information is much worse than lack of information If you are not agree and would like put the information back please folow the Wikipediaofficialpolicy and cite a cite credible sources Switch yourself to a constructive work it will help you to find mutural understanding with most of Wikipedians including myself   Couldnt agree more   You both must really have guts to say this I mean thats funny whos talking about propaganda machine    Well it simply seems that providing no sources when asked to is nothing uncommon in your modus operandi Or am I wrong BTW no offence intended just a friendly note   Halibutt you may turn this into an ethics dispute if you want I would only welcome you or this fellow to start an RfC against me to expose your unsourced POV pushing and my attempt to resist that to which you respond with personal attacks As for your no offence I take everything you said at the face value and I am capable to figure out your intentions from what you say rather than from what you claim you are saying    I merely pointed to the fact that apparently Im not the only person to ask you for sources  as politely as I could  and not the onbly person you ignored contrary to the good ol WikipediaVerifiability and WikipediaCite sources rules If you take it as an offence  I cant do much about it can I    Halibutt how many times do I have to say that this is not about sources This is about the liberty you take to interprete them and derive conclusions you favor that are just not there And never have I ignored If you refuse to see the answers repeated so many times I cant do much about it can I We can only wait for others to agree or disagree whether the answers to your and my conserns are adequate Those others didnt show up for a while Still no reason to beleive that the dispute was somehow solved by itself  As for your claimed politeness the articles talk page speaks for that But as for offence if I were so easily offended I would not be able to be at Wikipedia We all have seen worse than that It is not for thinskinned to edit history articles You should see AndriyKs language he used and even that didnt make me loose my sleep    Ru Pravda Dear Irpen Sorry if I chose the wrong words for expressing my frustration with AndriyKs behavior I didnt mean to hurt anybodys feelings Its just that Ive seen a lot of stuff done to a few of my articles that deal with Ukraines people or geography in one way or another so I decided to stay away from such topics I appreciate your hard work in the Russian Portal Keep it up and see you there   If it wasnt done by AndriyK lately it was probably done by people who arent on WP for months Were there any recent incidents I would love to see more Russian editors helping at UAportal In fact I called for that repeatedly as well as to Polish boards With a few exceptions we never had serious  conflicts If you can please do contribute to Ukrainian articles      Ukraine related topics   Irpen I would try to support you although my knowledge of Ukrainian history is mostly limited to Soviet schoolbooks and discourse is mostly the imperialistic one I like your edits better thou I am not sure if it is the right way to weed out all the Polish names from the cities that were Polish Would it hurt that much if we would add the third Polish name in the first string if they want it so badly   No it would not always hurt It will help in some and would hurt in some other cases I will explain later have to go now Thanks   I agree with your explanations OK lets go into the edit war   Dear maffiosi I dont think the edit war is a lasting solution Perhaps its time to discuss Andriys disruptive policies at the Administrators notice board During his stint in the Wiki he didnt contribute anything valuable but spelling reverts and personal attacks on other editors May we ask to ban him   We may ask to ban him but as I told him at his talk page I was trying to avoid it as much as I could He violated RR multiple times and I showed it to him warning that he may get banned but I never actually proceeded in listing him for banning Besides after  hour ban he will be back even more aggravated and will continue his crusade with even more rigor He may also find ways to circumvent RR or simply stay just under it and this pain will go on   On the other hand IMO heve done enough for the fullblown arbitration which may result in a longer ban If anyone would want to compile an arbitration case I will comment on it But as of yet I would not start it myself Several people are trying to talk to him and I hope he would listen But if nothing changes he will en up banned for sure    I think your position is fine Just one question is it absolutely positively provent that OUN authorized the Lvov pogrom and it was not a spontaneus action If its not  proven we might add some NPOV hedging like most of the scolars believe etc not just blankly link the pogrom to OUN   I  agree that there are differences of opinions on this The article provides references that support both versions and both should be mentioned I explained that some of the sources brought up by this user are controversial but this is no reason to totally dismiss them What I oppose is that the user simply blanks from the article a sourced version he doesnt like     Discussion on maidanuaorg   Hi Ive read that discussion with some interest Your characterization as User Irpen is a very cunning ingenious and stubborn troll  Irpen        was especially amusing What can I say        Maybe not all of them but a significant proportion for sure   Now you are in danger too  But seriously it just hurts Really I mean you probably saw what was going on in enWiki and had no time to interfere I took it upon myself to deal with this and I am getting all the heat now  And now this slander I tried all I can to talk to user AndriyK I was accused in Ukrayinophobia by someone else who retracted it and we are even having a decent correspondance now But I just dont want to leave something to which I gave so much time Just check my recent edit history to get a clue Well anyway if I stay I might need help If you have time just try to talk to these new people if you cant participate in editing for the lack of time I tried and I am getting this Michael tried too He was not cursed perhaps because he has an orange ribbon on his page  Still he was just ignored I dont know If this goes on we need to engage new editors in productive editing or repell this attack Or leave ourselves But this is the last thing I want to do    I understand it was very offensive But you shouldnt worry too much  there are always crazy people out there  And how do we know he is not paid for what he does It may be a form of an information war strategy Similar to specifically hired participants in popular forums like pravdacomua or inosmiru They often pick an active user and start dumping sht on him You would be quite a natural choice N