Well Agrippa since the primary topic of debate concerns people like myself Which is sort of ironic I always see people complaining about how Creationists or people objecting to Evolution bring up offtopic discussion on this talk page yet now it seems the shoe is on the other foot and it appears nobody objects heavily to Fillls sentiment I think its likely that anything I say has a high risk of being twisted in meaning to fit other peoples preconceived notions that whatever I say must be false and incapable of being debated with since the Christian evangelistscreationists think they are being perfectly moral to try to force their views on others to lie and cheat to get their way I mean I certainly wouldnt try some friendly debate with someone who thinks it is perfectly moral to lie and cheat to get their way how could you possibly trust a person to hold a conversation without hiding important things