More on Wiki writers httprexcurrynetwikipedialieshtml   Many errors have been corrected in Wikipedias Roman salute article httprexcurrynetwikipedialieshtml  The article had many visits from Dr Curry in the past  see its talk page as Dr Curry attempted to correct the many errors httprexcurrynetwikipedialieshtml  However the wikipedia article on the Roman Salute is becoming more dishonest by the week An earlier version referenced the work of Professor Rex Curry and started thusly The Roman salute is a gesture in which the arm is held out forward straight with palms down Sometimes the arm is raised upward at an angle sometimes it is held out parallel to the ground The salute was supposed to have been used in the Roman republic but there is no clear evidence of this Indeed it is not known whether salutes in the military sense existed at all in Roman culture by Paul Barlow  A more recent version of the same article is written as if a neoNazi has been coveringup again  A big initial problem is that no wiki writer will even attempt to discover the first use of the phrase Roman salute and thus the writers remain stuck in intellectually dishonest confusion about dates and origins  The article reverts back to its earlier opening concessions to the work of Dr Curry conceding that there is no clear evidence of the salute in the Roman Republic and also conceding that there is no evidence of salutes in the military sense at all in Roman culture  The wiki writer then engages in speculation that people today misunderstood some images from ancient Rome  There is no support for the idea that the Roman Salute concept arose long ago from misinterpretations of Roman images  There is as much evidence that after Dr Currys shocking discoveries about the salutes origin with the Pledge of Allegiance modern writers including wiki writers deliberately looked for other explanations and then those writers misinterpreted Roman images in order to coverup and suppress Professor Currys discoveries    The wiki writer then engages in speculation that neoclassical artists misunderstood some images from ancient Rome  There is no support for the idea that the Roman Salute concept arose among neoclassical artists from misinterpretations of Roman images  There is as much evidence that after Dr Currys shocking discoveries about the salutes origin with the Pledge of Allegiance modern writers including wiki writers deliberately looked for other explanations and then those writers seized upon neoclassical artists in order to coverup and suppress Professor Currys discoveries    For example there is no evidence that JacquesLouis David actually thought that his painting The Oath of the Horatii represented an actual historical Roman salute  All of the evidence indicates that David created the scene out of whole cloth for drama All of the speculating otherwise is actually the machinations of wiki writers and people of their ilk The intellectual dishonesty is all the more evident in that the wiki writers deliberately faill to address those very points already made by Dr Curry httprexcurrynetpledgehoratiihtml  Further the Horatii painting depicts three people reaching for weapons  The Tennis Court Oath was painted by David later and repeats Davids use of the dramatic gesture that David concocted but in a more modern setting  There is no evidence that it accurately depicts the event protrayed David was not there Further the oath was was written on paper the paper being read by the central figure and the oath was taken by signing the document There is no evidence that anyone is taking an oath in the painting the central figure might be swearing or he might be reading his document while those people about him waive hats talk holler point etc  Three figures on the left seem to be an inside reference to the Horatii painting  The wiki writer is misrepresenting the works or reading into them  The distribution of the Eagle Standards was painted by David even later and repeats Davids use of the dramatic gesture that David concocted but in another modern setting  There is no evidence that it accurately depicts the event protrayed and there is no evidence that anyone is taking an oath in the painting at all  The wiki writer claims that this is the mos important of these paintings  That painting shows no use of the salute in pledging or oathtaking or at all and simply shows various people with various gestures acclaiming the central figure and grabbing for and shouting for the Eagle Standards  The wiki writer is misrepresenting the works and reading into them  The wiki writer then claims that other painters during the nineteenth century regularly depicted the straightarm gesture in scenes of Roman imperial history  The writer cites no support because there is no support  There is no support for the idea that the Roman Salute concept arose among neoclassical artists from misinterpretations of Roman images  There is as much evidence that after Dr Currys shocking discoveries about the salutes origin with the Pledge of Allegiance modern writers including wiki writers deliberately looked for other explanations and then those writers misrepresented neoclassical art to coverup Professor Currys discoveries  The coverup is also supported by the fact that wiki writers know or should know that Francis Bellamy explained the origin of his salute and that it had nothing to do with imitating any painting nor imitating any Roman salute myth  At this paragraph the intellectual dishonesty doubles  The writer is attempting to imply that there is a relationship between the original Pledge salute and the myth of the Roman salute  No support is cited because there is no support The writer is not honest enough to clearly state that the supposed Roman myth was not an influence upon Francis Bellamy or Bellamys cohorts The writer will not reference Dr Currys clear explanation of how the Pledge salute was selected by Bellamy and Bellamys cohorts which is known because Bellamy explained its creation  The writer knows that it does not support the myth that the writer is trying to perpetuate  The writer will not mention Professor Currys voluminous dissection of Bellamys love of the military and the Bellamy term military socialism  The writer is still coveringup for socialism The writer is also completely evading the fact that the use of the military salute in the Pledge evolved into the classic hard stylized Nazi salute  The writer is evading the fact that the Nazi salute is an extended military salute via the Pledge of Allegiance All of those are discoveries by Professor Curry  It is unclear because the writer has knowingly refused to acknowledge Dr Currys discovery that the use of the military salute by Bellamy caused the extended arm salute to change in use  Wikipedia articles are so intellectually dishonest that they are comical  It had nothing to do with the Roman salute myth but the writer cannot bear to give up his distortions    The Wikipedia writer implies that the Olympic salute came from a classical painting but the wiki writer knows that he has no support to cite  The wiki writer is aware of Dr Currys voluminous and groundbreaking work exposing the Olympic salute but the writer is too intellectually dishonest to even mention it httprexcurrynetbookchapterachtml   The writer evades Professor Currys explanation that the Olympic salute also derived ultimately from the Pledge of Allegiance  The wiki writer references how Dr Curry exposed the work of Martin Winkler regarding the use of the Roman salute in films httprexcurrynetpledgesalutehtml Professor Curry pointed out that Martin Winkler did not realize at the time of Winklers article that the films were all predated by the use of the salute in the US Pledge of Allegiance  Martin Winkler while discussing the old films was unaware that the salute had been the original salute of the Pledge of Allegiance Dr Curry long ago challenged Martin Winkler to debate these issues in public and Dr Curry has maintained that standing debate challenge which has been met with complete silence httprexcurrynetpledgeprofessormartinwinklerhtml  The wiki writer adopts Martin Winklers intellectually dishonest use of the term fascist to further aid the wiki writer in coveringup for the National Socialist German Workers Party and for the National Socialism of the Bellamys  The wiki writer also mentions a chest variation of the salute but the writer is too intellectually dishonest to mention Dr Currys photographs and explanation that the same variation was used earlier in the Pledge of Allegiance to the US flag  Franklin Delano Roosevelt did not institute the handovertheheart and the writer acknowledges the error in the next sentence when referencing the act by Congress The writer fails to mention that through most of Roosevelts time in office the straight arm salute was used and Professor Curry possesses photographic examples of Roosevelt himself being saluted with the notorious salute It is interesting to note that Congress did not inject itself into the mess until after the US entered World War II December    The article uses four or more forms of the word Nazi and never gives the actual correct name of the horrid party the National Socialist German Workers Party  It is a classic example of the usual coverup for socialism and the coverup of the philosophical relationship between the Ge