classinfobox widthpx   aligncenter  Archives               Thanks for Bethlehem work   Hi I just wanted to stop by and say thank you for your efforts in copyediting the Bethlehem article Im trying to improve it for GA statusper it being the Collaboration of the Week for WikipediaWikiProject Palestine         Award for your great photographic work    styleborder px solid gray backgroundcolor fdffe rowspan valignmiddle   rowspan  stylefontsize xlarge padding  verticalalign middle height em  The da Vinci Barnstar  styleverticalalign middle bordertop px solid gray  This award is given to  in recognition of all your imaginative and original photographs related to topics about Israel and Judaism as can be seen on your user page In particular I was impressed by how many of these photographs enhance so many articles about people places and things in Israel Mazal Tov and may you be blessed to continue contributing to Wikipedia in this productive fashion for a long time to come See WikipediaBarnstars The da Vinci Barnstar may be awarded to anyone who has enhanced Wikipedia through their technical work and you most certainly deserve it  Sincerely     Thank you Izak for that very heartwarming award That someone has noticed my contributions and sees them as noteworthy makes all the hard work worthwhile   Hi Gila Yes you make beautiful art and I appreciate it as I am sure many others do Best wishes    Hi Gila Its agood idea to have page for awards and barnstars like so  which you can place at the tope of this talk page where others can see it or on your main user page if you wish Thanks again      Armenian Genocide  Peres denial of the genocide should be noted in this article failing to do so makes it more of a hagiography than a biography His shortcomings must also be mentioned in addition to his feats like winning the noble prize Do you think itd fit better in political views In anycase it must and will be mentioned somewhere How about adding this in his political views segment   Peres foreign policy outlook is markedly realist For example to placate Turkey the only significant Muslim country in the region that is friendly towards Israel Peres has explicity denied the Armenian genocide which caused an uproar among genocide scholarscitation     Peres made these statements in  when he was foreign minister Clearly he was caving in to Turkish pressure Israel has very few friends and cannot afford to lose them so basically it is not free to take the position that would seem to mesh with its outlook and history which is to recognize that the Armenians were murdered en mass Now he is president an honorary position not a political one and his views whatever they may have been back then are worth about as much as mine are I have no problem with mentioning this view in the section on his political outlook but a separate section on this one utterance gives it undue importance and distorts the picture      sumac opening sentence   I dont know what the right wording is but do you see the problem with Sumac also Rhus is a genus of approximately  species of flowering plants in the family Anacardiaceae  First of all there is no reason to italicize Sumac  Secondly it is not accurate to say Sumac is a genus because there is no genus called Sumac but there is one called Rhus  I may be too steeped in botanical jargon to easily come up with something which is natural to nonplantpeople  But we need to figure out something which a works whether people get to this page as Sumac or Rhus currently the latter is a redirect to the former policy would have it the other way around and b doesnt mix up scientific names versus common names in a confusing way    I am not a botanist and my reason for reading the article was because of the spice which is used all over the Middle East I was surprised that the spice didnt rate a mention in the lead Sumac needs to be the first word in keeping with Wikipedia norms and the same as the title of the article ie not plural How about Sumac refers to a variety of shrubs or small trees of the genus Rhus as well as the purplish spice that is produced from its dried crushed berries    Looks like  has solved it for us Im happy with his wording  As for first word Wikipedia policy isnt quite that strict earliest natural point in the prose at WikipediaLead sectionBold title and I dont know whether a plural fits under slightly different form or not  Anyway enough wikilawyering  As for why the spice wasnt at the start the plant is very common in North America in the wild roadsides gardens etc but the spice is pretty much unheard of  So giving it greater prominence is probably good although I suspect whatever we do will look slightly strange to some  audience  One last comment Firefox has a hard time editing big pages so it would be convenient if you archived it for example by enabling one of the bots on that page    Oh no all that archiving business is way too complicated for me Is there a simple way to do it while saving the Barnstars for instance in a visible place     Tu Bishvat  Since Im an editor of this article Im bringing in a thirdpary administrator to take a look at this I want to make it clear that my difficulty here isnt with the content you added its with the content you removed As I see it by removing all mention of the contemporary role of Tu Bishvat as a cutoff date for purposes of Orlah you a completely removed all content on including mention of the very existence of a very significat viewpoint that you happen to disagree with this is my primary concern In addition you b rewrite the article from your own point of view when there are muliple points of view which qualify for representation under Wikipedia policies The  Jewish Encyclopedia explained why it called Orthodox Judaism ancient Judaism because it regarded it as a viewpoint with no contemporary relevance which would soon disappear contemporary Orthodox Jews dont take very well to having their contemporary practices mischaracterized as being only ancient history  PS This is also the first time anyones called me a blackhatter Best    Sorry if you dont like my editing of the article You are welcome to add sections that you think are relevant but on the whole it was badly written and organized and overly verbose I did not call YOU a blackhatter The comment about Tu Bishvat customs being an inventions of Zionist heretics spurred that response It seemed to me that you made all the revisions in response to this one persons inane comment Respecting sensibilities of antiZionists is fine but not if it turns an article about a holiday into a mishmash that nobody else but yeshivaeducated people can understand which happens to be incredibly widespread on Wikipedia     Music of Israel   Thank you for your many excellent edits of Music of Israel  They have definitely sharpened up the article  I do however take issue with your excision of the words of Eliphelet  You are wrong in your comment that it is not any more notable than a million others  On the contrary the song has been the subject of quite a bit of discussion and even opposition and epitomizes the melancholy almost pacifistic tendency of some Israeli war songs  I respect your opinion so I am consulting with you before restoring it     Hi Ravpapa thanks for that About Eliphelet m