Well ignoring valid arguments just doesnt fly We will get you to listen to and either repond to or concede the valid points Its just a matter of time And you guys that much needs to be said in all fairness are waisting a lot of our time with what amounts to one big WPIDHT clusterfck What with all the responding to madeup strawmen and the quickarchiving away difficult postings Its ridiculous and Landon is right that we may have to seek wider community input unless a bunch of admins are willing to step in and put and end to this mess