Anachronisms and other reference errors   anachronism   nakrnizm   noun plural noun anachronisms  a thing belonging or appropriate to a period other than that in which it exists especially a thing that is conspicuously oldfashioned everything was as it would have appeared in centuries past apart from one anachronism a bright yellow construction crane an act of attributing a custom event or object  whether or not inappropriately  to a period to which it does not belong Eleanor Roosevelt was the quintessential dyke    Everything in the movie based on the Wikipedia article was as true to the time as it would have appeared to the Council on July th apart from one anachronism the emergence of a black slave named John Punch from the courtroom   In Sparing Ishadrian This discussion has been  transplanted from another users talk page  I have opted to reply to sentences as they appear  My replies are in green Sorry SDWP    I dont know why  and  are spending their time arguing on your talk page Neither Wayne or PresidentitstVB have submitted any strong reliable source that claims Punch wasnt a slave sentenced to slavery or wasnt enslaved  I agree that it is possible Punch could have been made subject to a superstition passion etc and thus enslaved according to the definition of the word at the time  I have stated ad infinitim et nauseum that he was not in any way made a slave when viewed through any lens of the time no matter how many oxymoronic historians state otherwise  Slaves were specifically identified by the edicts of  as slaves to the Colony by the slave traders and most significantly by the slaves themselves especially those who converted to Christianity as slaves on board the early th C ships for the sole person of not being treated as slaves upon their arrival in the new world  Im tired of trying to argue the facts with a brick wall except to ask you  if I were to write what two other reliable sources had considered in publications  Scoobydunk is a brick wall would you be able to find two reliable sources which specifically stated as if to state the obvious for no apparent reason Scoobydunk is not a brick wall  I rest my case  Theyve also failed to provide any reliable source to claim there were slaves recognized and officially documented by a legal institution before Punch  Go ahead  Do what  did at  PM EST on July st  just make that leap of faith and write it over and over again WPOR  After all you have already said you removed it in response to my objections so why should I be surprised looking at the articles history that you wouldnt continue the flip flip flam Wayne thinks this quote from Foner supports his argument but it doesnt because Foner is specifically talking about the institution of slavery and when historians consider the institution to have originated Ive already supplied a quote from a strong reliable source by Vaughan that further substantiates this point  On the first pointthe status of blacks before the passage of the slave lawsthe issue is not whether some were free or some were slave Almost everyone acknowledges the existence of both categories by the s if not from the beginning Alden T Vaughan The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography Vol  No  July  It is well known  that slavery existed long before Punchs case  it was documented in Massachusetts in present day Somerville I think in the Sugar Islands the English colony of Barbados primarily from where a number of our first black immigrants emigrated and most notably on the slave ships departing West Africa from where Punch himself is alleged to have come  So even though historians may differ on when the institution of slavery started Vaughan clarifies that almost everyone recognizes the existence of both slaves and free blacks by  if not from the beginning of the colony Wayne is trying to use his OR interpretation to pretend what Foner says contradicts what numerous historians have said about Punch and it doesnt Hes failed to refute this fact and has repeatedly ignored this point made