Fresh Start  Alright Neil Lets try from the beginning again hopefully with a better result this time The Genseiry Karatedo International Federation article is clearly being vandalized by Mario Roering as he removes links and references from the article with false reasoning Example here  The link clearly shows that the book exist and who the author is Here Mario Roering removes yet another reference even though the reference clearly states that this is the first book ever  Here Mario Roering ads a link to a Taido site with an essay on the history of TAIDO not Genseiryu  thus irrelevant on the issue of Genseiryu This reference has some correct dates some correct information but is at best only a collection of information found on the Internet from various other sources and is as well full of equally incorrect information Mario Roering does not cite any phrase of the essay and he does not provide any reasons for why this reference should be better than the one already included Thus this is not a researched essay or document Also Taido is siding with the WGKF and supporting them as can be seen on many pictures and even the agreement of the establishment of the WGKF At best this reference is a none supported none factual and partial essay And like it says it is an essay on Taido not Genseiryu As a third party reference this is not valid Many of the things Mario Roering has disputed in the great many earlier edits is among others that Kunihiko Tosa president of the GKIF was not the first student of the founder Seiken Shukumine but in this essay it says that he started taking lessons from the founder in  one year prior to the establishment of Genseiryu in  The essays mentions that Kunihiko Tosa published A some book on Genseiryu which is I guess the reason for Mario Roering to include this source Using this argument as a counterargument to my source and claim is the same as leaving it up to me to proof a negative That Kunihiko Tosa wrote and published a book on Genseiryu in  is confirmed in the essay as well as other sources included by me but it does not say that the book is the first ever on Genseiryu As I mentioned above this is like saying that when something is not mentioned it is not so which of course cannot be laid down as fact or support for removing my claim as this book being the first ever on Genseiryu Another point is that if Mario Roering wants to include this essay as a valid reference he must accept all the postulates in the essay also the ones that he has disputed many times before But well I guess that will not happen Thus this reference should be discarded as it is not trustworthy as a reference but merely a collection of information found on the Internet The author is not named could not find it anyway and the sources used in this essay are not listed Here  Mario Roering deletes a valuable link to a reference part of Kunihiko Tosas book written in  In this book the founder of Genseiryu Seiken Shukumine wrote a preface and he coauthored the book as a technical advisor as well as he himself recognized this book as being Genseiryu The reference is thus a valid one but it is my opinion that Mario Roering wants this left out simply because this contradicts his own views and his perception of what is the true Genseiryu In Mario Roerings world he would feel a lot better if this book and the preface by the founder would simply go away like go back in a time machine and make sure it was never published Mario Roering has claimed on more than one occasion that we the GKIF are not doing Genseiryu but only that the WGKF is This book clearly shows that the founder approved and supported Kunihiko Tosa as Genseiryu Thus the contradictions clearly stands out It is obvious that Mario Roering wants it left out simply because it shows that his claims are untrue and impossible to proof and that it is thus easier to simply get this claim removed Here  Mario Roering wants to provoke me by asking for citation It is obvious that this information originates from an interview I had with the author Kunihiko Tosa The information has been put there to counter argue the claims by the WGKF that Kunihiko Tosa named his book  number  because of the book written by the founder Seiken Shukumine in  Shin Karatedo Kyohan was the first one As this is not true the correct information has been included in the GKIF article to set things straight Citations is the author Kunihiko Tosa No further citation should be necessary Here I reverted all the above edits  Nevertheless Mario Roering simply rereverted everything removing my references and putting his essay back in there Here  Mario Roering removes the external links to the copyrighted description of the  kata mentioned and described in the book from  by Kunihiko Tosa This is informative and very relevant for the article as it gives the reader valid information in a language other than Japanese the language of the book In this edit Mario Roering also removes the statement saying that only the GKIF is a recognized organization of Genseiryu and that only the kata of the GKIF is to be considered as Genseiryu The preface by the founder Seiken Shukumine in the book written by Kunihiko Tosa and the official documents from the Japan Karatedo Federation clearly supports this our claim Thus no valid reason for removal of the claim nor the sources to support it exist It is my understanding that it is not acceptable on Wikipedia to remove references and include your own without a valid reason Disputing references can be dealt with on the talk page Am I right Simply deleting them in the manner Mario Roering has done is grounds for an edit war and vandalism as I see it    About the validation and confirmation of facts the following is stated Say where you found the material It is improper to include a reference from an intermediate source in a Wikipedia page without stating so For example on a Web page you might find some information that is attributed to a book Unless you examine the book yourself your reference is then the Web page not the book You should in turn make it clear in the reference that the Web page cited the book Can be read here in full text here  It should be obvious to everyone that Mario Roering cannot comply with this quote as he did not check up on the references himself All his deleting the references already included in the article and replacing them with lesser sources not rechecked by himself is thus a violation of guidelines and conduct here at Wikipedia    It is my clear understanding that Mario Roering has started an edit war and he has engaged himself in vandalism I have thus reverted the edits done by Mario Roering based on the above mentioned grounds