If the Manx are identified as a separate ethnic group then why arent the Channel Islanders  You want so much to believe that the Normans arent related to the English that you omit them from the related groups section but keep the Bretons who arent even part of the British Isles  In fact archaeology confirms that the Bretons left Britain as Salian Franks were among the Nordic invaders when Rome fell  TharkunColl says that the Normans arent related but you say that the Channel Islanders do not constitute a separate ethnic group  Where is the consistency of logic in those assumptions which defies consensus outside of your joint control of this article  Things are much different in the wide world of academia and scholasticism  Well Channel Islanders speak a language closer to English than any Celtic tongue  Why is that a bad thing why does negative POV have to be accepted  Now who is fantasising about the Dark Ages again  Why would the Normans of the Channel be excluded when they are HM the Queens loyal subjects  Remember what they endured for us during WWII which the Celtic nations did not have so bad  When has Brittany declared their loyalty these past  years  At least insular Normandy is still with us and this is a fact that TharkunColl especially hates beyond all doubt since it means that England still has a major toehold of continual ethnic relations with France while Hanover has come and gone  He is upset because he views the French relationship to be unfair to England but has no qualms about that in relation to English oppressive influence on Celtic speakers with special help by German princes  The same POV TharkunColl uses to exclude the French is that which the Irish use to exclude the English  The question is why would you do something to others if you do not want it done to yourself  TharkunColl claims that he is not bound by the Golden Rule since he is not Christian The solution is for English and Irish nationalists to not act this way at the Wikipedia  Wikipedia is not a vehicle for these types of POV these Balkanist notions  When discussing ethnic relatives the Channel Islanders are a mutual bridge between the English and French  This is confirmed by all academics and scholars that you two fringetheorists disagree is of no consequence to the world at large  On this page there are several objections to your dual consensus but TharkunColl calls them fantasy  Why dont we all gang up on you Francophobes together  You keep the French out because of this Hanoverian fringe who says the English are Germans  He supports the errant belief that Hanover is where the English come from as opposed to where Denmarks old sphere of influence was and before the Holy Roman Empire andor Kingdom of Germany existed  German princes have no roots in England at allthey have only been recent and foreign Habsburg OrangeNassau Oldenburg now Mountbatten Hanover and SaxeCoburgGotha now Windsor  When George changed to Windsor it did not conceal the true nature of the monarchyneither did the Bombing of Dresden in Saxony have that effect of integrating these Germans  The more they try so hard to be accepted the further our people have rejected their status as our Sovereigns  There have never been so culturally and socially unpopular royalty in the history of the British Isles yet for some political reasonsothers feel it is necessary to make a stalemate by using a straw man fallacy against the AngloFrench fusion which has been witnessed in posterity by noting that the Germans are an unpopular choice for inclusionall the while saying that Hanover is where the English people are from  Please let historical precedent decide who is a part of the English people vs who is only in governmental or political relationalliance as a result of religious divisions and Parliamentary dictation of Royal affairs ever since the time of colonialism and especially   Henry VIII of England neither liked Martin Luther and his PrussianHanseatic culture nor was Anne of Cleves going to provide an heirby choice of a King desparate for heirs  That was the sentiment of the people whom if Protestant had some CalvinistFrench Huguenot Puritan leanings to the exclusion of others  Wesleys Hanoverian entrance to our religious climate had as much imported spirituality from the Moravians obviously not being part of English dispositioneven if Wyclif and Jan Hus seemed to get along for the sole purpose of dissent they were false friends and allied by circumstance of a mutual enemy  That purported enemy was Rome the Whore of Babylon in some claims  Our cultural traditions tend to be fiercely proud of the Greeks Romans and Franksit is encapsuled in the machinery of our English language  I dont give a shit what the German language is com