Liberals  Btw Dave Liberal means somthing quite different in much of the wolrd than it does in the US and is usually closer to a US centerright conservative The proper insult would be something akin to hardleft labourite or socialist not that many from those countries would think of those terms as an insult   BillCJ talk    I stand corrected   next time I will thinkup a bloody good insult that means the same to the great unwashed but does not get me thrown off wiki