Go away with your CIVIL stuff mate If youd have a sense discussion style youd be able to say excuse me youre right on that instead of ignoring whole arguments on a high horse You may be a longtime editor here but in this particular case my assertion stands As for the argument on GundellGardell likely perhaps but an assumption You cant verify that either unless you are able to verify in the book You did not state wether you verified or not I have to assume you are an authority somehow Great example of how to inject untruth in Wikipedia Next time Wikipedias credibility is of subject somewhere Ill be sure to reference to this case Just to point out the obvious as argument in that it doesnt matter if its true or not since the problem is that it is unclear wether its verified or not