March  UTC  That wasnt an attack ad hominem that was constructive criticism  Theres a difference  Youre an idiot is an ad hominem attack  It is a baseless insult with no constructive intention  Rubbish is an ad hominem attack  There is nothing constructive other than an insult of another contributors work  Telling fiddle they he or she has an arrogant obtuse attitude was constructive with the intention of advice on how to better deal with new posters  Instead of posting rubbish is both an arrogant and insulting statement  It did nothing to help me create a better article OR give reasons why the SKK article was being deleted  Rubbish is not an objective criteria  This article has already been posted  debated is  Of course this fact never was brought up until after the discussion was well out of hand  Second you cannot with any intellectual honesty characterize what I posted as vandalism  My repeated intention was to make a sincere contribution of a topic that I felt is important  I was more than happy to discuss the merits of the article as evidenced by my fruitless attempt to use the hangon tag  I literally barely had time to type a few words before the article was again deleted with absolutely zero discussion or valid justification    I encourage ALL parties to go back and look at how this played out  There was NO discussion other than threats  a dismissive suggestion to go play in your own sandbox  Is this really how you want to run Wiki  It is after all your playground and you get to make the rules  Thats fine with me  Maybe you really have dealt with too many vandals and were quick to lump me in with whatever hooligans you may be used to dealing with  If I really wanted to be a vandal I could easily use an ip proxy to keep posting  causing trouble here  There would be little that you could do about it but that is not who I am  I am an honest contributor who took exception to fiddles arrogant and insulting attitude  We can disagree on that assessment but dont expect me to get on my knees with some gee Im sorry obsequiesness just so I can join the cool kids club  My advice to you is maybe you fiddle  hiber might reconsider your knee jerk reactions  at least assume positive intent see community heading above  try a discussion that does not start with something along the lines of your work is rubbish