Again not that natal women have the same HIV risk as TGTS women but rather that the total number of females contracting HIV is the same as the total number of MSM contracting HIV  Source httpwwwavertorgusastatghtm Looking over the data sorry I correct my statement  Being female who only has risky heterosexual sex has the same HIV contraction rate as being a male drug user  Both total populations are unknown however  Again my assertion stands many TGTS are not males and thus are not MSM  Your own sources state that TGTS groups are only considered alongside MSM not that they actually are MSM  As to Benji my statements were made on my own talk page and were not intended to be neither neutral nor unbiased  If HFarmer wished to discuss the merits of the argument in this talk page I would have been more than civil however she has consistently sought to put me in the worst situation possible and provoke me into an emotional response  My assertion has and always will be I am not male thus I am not MSM by definition of the term  She can argue all she wants until shes blue in the face whether they are included or not in MSM statistics but thats only making a lighter assertion they are included in MSM statistics however her very own source says that they are not considered MSM even though they may be included in MSM statistics  I understand the difficulty in understanding the situation theyre saying theyre not but then treating them as if they are however the fact still remains many if not most TSTG individuals are excluded from MSM by the very definition of the term men who have sex with men