Horologium pardon me for taking this up as well You said above that you would not consent to an unblock barring some change in behavior Im going to take a wild wild guess and say that youd not be the only one to state that kind of condition Since we cant look into each others hearts and since there can be no assessment of behavior until there is behavior the only behavior now is an occasional note on his talk page what is it that you would like to hear from Kiefer And what kinds of restrictions if any do you think can be helpful An Iban with Demiurge is probably a given as is some type of restriction on RfA ANI participation etc FWIW I accept his comments about the offending remark it would have been better if he had swallowed a bit more pride and its clear that Im probably in the minority there but I do accept itI sent Kiefer an email a week or so ago to see how he was doingafter all we both were blessed with a beautiful child around the same time last yearand Im trying to figure out a way to heal some wounds For the record I have had my disagreements with him and I certainly dont approve of everything hes done here Im sure he feels the same way and thats fine I dont wish to be an apologist for any side and excuse everything thats happened but Im trying to find a way forward I wish for instance that he would find it easier to let bygones be bygones I think Im paraphrasing GiantSnowman from an AN thread about a proposed Iban between the two of them and I wish KF had accepted that from GS Anyway this message is longer than I intended it to be and I apologize for that I suppose Im also asking you if or when you can let bygones be bygones Theres no immediate urgency for you to respond if you could ping me when you do if you do Id appreciate itFor the talk page stalkers please lets not turn this into ANI I could have emailed Horologium privately but I prefer to do this here in between the privacy of email and the dramah of a board At some point the community will be involved if this ever gets anywhere for now Im interested in Horologiums response and possibly RegentsParks since he started this thread Or pretend you never read this Thanks