Agreed  We can do this when it gets longer     New additions and POV phrasing   Casaniva thanks for helping out with this page  Some of your edits have been great like mentioning routines patterning and the social robot phenomenon  Some of your other edits I have reverted because they are not written from a neutral point of view which wikipedia requires or because they dont cite sources see the policies on WPNPOV and WPV  I will go through most of these edits specifically  From the part on negs I removed this text They are often used to Kock a woman off her pedestal and swallow up her self confidence eg Did you leave your personality at home today This technique is widely disliked by women It is not pleasent to be Negged  I also removed a description of negs as insults  See the Mystery Method page which claims that they are not supposed to come off as insults  Negs are also not supposed to swallow up her self confidence  If Did you leave your personality at home today is a neg from a specific pickup artist we can mention it but we should cite who it is from  Also who says negs are widely disliked by women I mean this literally because you need to cite a source to make claims like that on wikipedia  If you want to put this claim back in the article then you will need to cite a reference from a reputable secondary source per Wikipedias verifiability policy  Also claims like it is not pleasant to be negged are merely your subjective opinion and consequently not encyclopedic  From the part on CF I removed this  The PickUp Community holds that arrogance is not a bad thing Frequently saying Thank You when accused of it  Actually many pickup artists say that arrogance is not the goal see David DeAngelos explanation of CF on his page   Yes saying thank you when accused of arrogance is a response that many pickup artists would use but we should attribute it to whoever is advocating it before including it on the page in the future we might have a section on shit tests which could mention stuff like that  From the routines part  Many critics say that it is easier just to be oneself  True but we need to cite actual critics instead of using weasel references to many critics Tangentially although just be yourself is often given as advice it isnt particularly useful  Specifically it is so ambiguous as to be almost meaningless  Furthermore the men who would join the seduction community are often lacking in social skills and many have been social isolated for much of their lives so they have learned maladaptive social behaviors and mindsets  Consequently  just be yourself is terrible advice for them insofar as it encourages them to keeping doing what they are already doing What they are already doing hasnt been working which is why they are joining the community in the first place  From the patterns part  designed to manipulate a womans subconcious mind into supplication  First Ive taken out all uses of the word manipulate because it is generally not a neutral term  Also I dont think its true that the purpose of patterning is necessarily to induce supplication though certainly some may have that goal  From the field reports section  Critics point out that this striving for conquest is not necessarily a good thing and that a woman finding herself mentioned on a field report would likely be extremely angry with the pickup artist In some private forums Lounges on the internet pickup artists post up pictures of their conquests like trophies    There are so many problems here First critics which critics  Second you refer to the posting of field reports as striving for conquest  That is merely your valuejudgment on that practice wikipedia is not about pronouncing whether anything is a good thing or not though wikipedia does describe valuejudgments from reputable secondary sources  It happens to correctly describe some pickup artists but not others  Im sure its true that many women would be angry to find field reports about themselves but we need a reference to include that in the article  Also saying that pickup artists post up pictures like trophies is also biased phrasing  Certainly some may hold that motivation but others may not   In short some of your edits have been very helpful and please review the editing policies WPNPOV and WPV for the future