Ive never disputed that youve raised points as I too have raised counterpoints in this debate  I appreciate that you felt the need to clarify your perspective to others but it is not my point of view that is dismissive of your suggestions it is the  pillars of Wikipedia policy that dismiss your rationale  and I provided evidence for those policies to validate my point of view which for the record is not my point of view but the point of view of Wikipedia because the guidance policies state so  If we were to cease using sources from your socalled fansites then this very article would no longer exist  One only needs to look at all the references to see that  of them are from those fansites as you call them  Every article relies on sources from specialist websites that deal with the specialist topic to which Eurovision is a specialised topic  The reports are not speculation but are specialised journalistic reports on countries that are potential returns withdrawals and debuts  As these are news reports regarding the  contest then we would not be providing a neutrally and unbiased written article if we were to decide to not mention them purely because we dislike the content  No facts are being twisted all facts have been covered neutrally within their respective proses  If one of the proses doesnt look grammatically correct then reword it accordingly so that it does address the news reports more factually and by that I mean in regards to Kosovo and Liechtenstein as we have already established that Kazakhstan should be removed  The drop the stick comment was aimed at everyone including you and I  At times your behaviour is rather pedantic and that has been demonstrated above  You start off with a debate and then say if others wish the content to remain then you are OK with that  That implies that youd drop the debate not continue to engage and heat it up even more by disregarding policies that are fundamental to Wikipedia  Although perhaps it is because I am the editor who is participating in this debate and has providing compelling evidence in terms of Wikirules that urges you to be combative  That is how it looks to me right now and if that wasnt your intention then I revoke my feelings