Headline text    classmessagebox standardtalk  WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A FALUN GONG DISCUSSION FORUM Please add new messages pertaining to editing the FLG article at the bottom of this page  It is suggested that new readers of this talk page read the archived discussions below  It is likely that an issue of concern has already been discussed  As a result a wouldbe poster can save the Wikipedian community time and effort spent on otherwise rehashing an issue if this responsbility is undertaken Please remember that this isnt the place to vent our spleens in condemnation or gush praise for Falun Gong itself as much as it is to comment on the actual article content We dont want a puff piece for Falun Gong or Li Hongzhi neither do we want to demonise them If we have an objectively neutral factual article one hopes the truth will speak for itself however we may subjectively perceive it  Archived discussion archive  April    May  Archive  May  to  July  Archive  July  to  January  Archive  January  to  March  Archive  March  to  March  Archive  March  to  April  Archive  April  to  April  Archive  April  to  May    Starting Over take two   This page has rampant repetition  Several paragraphs are repeated  Needs to be unlocked and fixed   I applaud whoever froze this page  It was the right thing to do  Over the weekend there were a series of incremental edits done by FG practitioners and others which had the effect of massively rewriting and reorganizing the article  Dilip was part of that effort but others were as well  In response to this major attack  I gathered together all the critical sections on the FG as quickly as I could because I could see that through clever systematic editing they would all be gone or obscured by new writing here and there I also asked for mediation   I agree with Dilip that the Awards and Recognitions  section was deleted but it was not deleted by either me or Samuel  In order to have a basis for an organizational discussion I ask everyone to check out the version of the article as of Fire Stars   April edit  Youll see that at that point the Critics and controversial teachings section had  sub categories the last one of which was Questionable significance of Falun Gong awards  recognitions  You will notice that Fire Star had put in a link in the Awards and recognitions section to the corresponding Critics and controversial teachings section  In my opinion the only way we are going to resolve some of these contentious issues is to adopt an approach similar to the splitting of sections on the issue of FG awards and recognitions   As an overall strategy  I propose that we first try to reach some agreement on structure by which I mean what sections and subsections we will have  Once weve reached agreement we should all be bound by that structure  In other words no arbitrary deletion of any sections or major rearrangements without extensive discussion on these pages  Once weve agreed to an overall structure and again I propose that we consider splitting the article some high level administrator should be prepared to step in again and freeze the article as was just done What say the rest of you    Comment It all sounds so complicated Tomananda I feel I need to take a breather and do some meditative exercise but the existing schools and systems are all so alien so outr D    Well I agree that the editing the last few days was crazy There were more people chiming in than just the regulars and they were making seemingly random reversions and edits that muddied the already turbulent waters which is why I requested the protection We can propose an outline here and discuss towards a consensus of what we want in the main article and the spinoffs If we can find neutral enough language for the facts in unequivocal public prominence then I think we can get a good intellectually interesting article out of this neither puffpiece advertising or condemnatory We just want people to know more about FLG whether that makes them sign up for it or avoid it is up to them    Strong Support Pretty much exactly what I was thinking UserCovenantDCovena