Now even the discussion attempts to further contextualize and diminish the Red Armys crimes  The Red Armys crimes remain crimes  there is always a context and a reason for any crime committed by anyone  What Wehrmacht or SS soldiers did or did not do in no way justifies or sufficiently contextualizesaway rapes committed against women aged  and lower to  Unfortunately that is what this article in its present form attempts to do On top of that this article about rape gives no voice to the raped and only offers voices of the perpetrators that dismiss the accusations  Its rather perverse misogynistic and revisionist  A more appropriate balanced and meaningful way to tackle this topic would be to give a straightforward account of the widespread rapesviolence by the Red Army including accounts from various Naziwomenvictims  After that backgroundcontext should be given to help understand why this happened but never in a way that implies that crimes do not remain crimes  In addition a section on SovietRussian ways of interpretinghandling on the violencerapes would be informative as well  In its current form this article does Wikipedia a disservice and is yet another example of a biased and amateurish account of history that cements Wikipedias reputation as an unreliable source of information  It is only by tackling these types of issues effectively that the Wikipedia community can prove it can be a viable source of information    Re  profoundly ahistorical suggestion  Contextualizing the supposed crimes as claimed by Udibi is not the same thing as diminishing those acts of punishment inflicted on the Nazis for murdering  people  I find his reference to SS Paramilitary as soldiers to be deeply disturbing ahistorical illinformed and suspicious as SS Paramilitaries were not soldiers and were not even part of the military  While Nazi acts of genocide do not in themselves justify rape they make it very understandable why people who assisted in the worst mass murder in history were punished by the surviving victims  Related the Nazis were very popular and had massive support from the population who in turn offered no resistance to the Nazi regime he who keeps silent consents these women were therefore active supporters of the Holocaust  It would not have been difficult for them to fight against the Nazis in some way and they should not receive sympathy for not doing so and allowing  people to be murdered  I really see no problem of revisionism here  I recommend that other editors be very wary of this proposal to create a self proclaimed more appropriate balanced and meaningful way to tackle this topic as it may lead us to perpetuating the moral equivalency arguments of covert Holocaust deniers  I think we also need to consider whether this is not just a case of hundreds of thousands of German women getting lucky with their liberators a view shared by many Germans described in The Fall of Berlin  and then telling local Nazi leaders or Werewolf members that they were raped in a regime where they could not openly have any sort of relationship with Russians