School kids debate level   Here it is how it went down i caught one of the ppl behind one of their sources in a lie which i wasnt allowed to point out     It has been up before but here it is again Phil Plait claimed in a radio program with Joe Rogan that ALL shuttle astronauts who has ever gone into space has been through the van allen belts at  min httpwwwyoutubecomwatchvtvICQDSnIc  If thats not misleading propaganda i dunno what is his website should be removed as a source  talk   Do you have a reference that says they havent all been through the VAB Canterbury Tail talk    This is beyond pathetic and what wikipedia has become PHIL PLAIT is the one making the claim and you asking ME to prove that the shuttle astronauts DIDNT GO THROUGH the van allen belts OMG  talk   Yup and now its time for you to put up or shut upMcSly talk    Editor is not here to make a genuine improvement to the encyclopaedia they have been blocked for gross incivility personal attacks lack of good faith and disruptive editing which doesnt help their case Canterbury Tail talk     To remove a dishonesty source IS way of improvement to the encyclopaedia but the best excuse they could come up with was to make ME prove that all shuttle astronauts HAVENT gone throught the van allen belts jeeees its a well known concept that the ones claiming something is the ones need to prove it and in this case its a well known fact that the shuttle astronauts DID NOT go into the van allen belts ASK NASA READ THE FLIGHT RECORDS Is this on a school debate level One can only laugh at what wikipedia has become