February  UTC   Well hope the floor didnt hurt But your characterization of my attitude and what I respect and dont is to say the least dubious Did it occur to you that I didnt attend your schools have different experiences different parents and can think for myself There is plenty of room for differences in interpretation as anyone that has mediated flame wars here as I have can tell you One cranky old editor spouting off does NOT make for a battle OTOH similar frank opinions have almost universally in the past resulted in a good working relationship a clear communication and about ths of the time resulted in a new Wikifriend So piffle to WPCIVyoure not looking at the context nor the intent of the context for that guideline Being polite can in fact be counterproductive and a time waste a matter of judgmentmine as the observer Take Quiddity who signed up at page top for example who once demonstrated a unbelievable tendency to prooffer unwarranted judgments and unsolicited advice Ultimately I had to get firm with him and sent this which he threatened to post SO I DID Nothing there to be ashamed of you see Bottom line there are some people in this world that need rapped along side the ear to get their attention There are others that need to have their toes stepped on UNTIL THEY APOLOGIZE Both those types benefit some by being jerked up by the shorthairs Failing all else it makes me feel better and communicates at least one person however crazy they may think me has less than steller appreciation for their actions as they impact othersnormally others time I really dont get excised much here about anything else Endless editing and all that after allSooooo Thanks for the appeal to my vanity but I suggest in the future you counsel people to examine whether a situation is ongoing escalating or one time episode of venting I spent  years here acting as a mediator myself and would never have considered involving myself in an isolated message based case Not sensible Call it justifiable road rage if you likea real world situation here in cyber space and  at least I cleaned up the vulgarity of what I had written in the first three drafts to make my loathing judgment of his lazy rape of hundreds of pages plain THAT is where I put my loyalty and focus NOT on one of thousands of arguable interpretation of various guidelines and policies If your INTERPRETATION of WPCIV prohibits any colorful idiom or addressing a dumbshitthingtodo as a dumbshit act Im definitely done here Im floored that you havent the imagination to understand that save for the hyperbole about kicking ass a deliberate attempt to indicate how poorly I viewed the  hours a day of well over six weeks of effort fixing his rape pogrom allegedly following guidelines  nor the fact that you were all being busybodies making much ado about nothing One of the most reprehensible facts about contributing here is that there is a total insensitivity to the leisure time our contributors make particularly by blithely accepting actions one way or another deleting their hard work and effort which is about as personal an attack as one can make Show me where NPA THE LEAST SENSITIVE to that VERY REAL VERY PERSONAL virtual slap in the face  And fools wonder why we have editor retention rate problems Wake the fuck up THAT IS A REAL WORLD PROBLEM not my slight episode of hitting to administer a lesson in courtesy to others Call me twisted but a single discourtesy to me  administered to make the point is properly due those who exercise the ultimate discourtesies really without due process Making  article pages into redirects without involving the community at large in the decision is to me WPBOLD applied way over the top AFD or MFD should have been invoked at the least Not one talk page and three or four editors without a direct attempt to reinvolve the originator of same articles or their major contributors BOTH THOSE badly need a quorum count provision but I digress the digression Those articles nearly  some were something apparently dozens put up involving hundreds of manhours and were well crafted Oh they needed some cites for a few fannish statements of cause and effect but the necessity of that is itself doubtful in cultural articles about recently produced intellectual efforts WPAGF should be sufficient for such a report making a statement like this is the first last episode characteractorsoandso appeared in and so forth Then theres the whole joke of notability for such pages which is hands down the most destructive guideline Ive seen passed here Its net result because of the plethora of WPNOTE guidelines is weve literally lost thousands of editors by taking away their prime motivations for becoming involved and applying inappropriate measures in an alleged attempt to improve the quality of our offered articlesmerely because some too wedded to the academic world have dictated the anticommonsensical need of quoting a writer about something rather than readily available source material Others agreed because like myself they disdain one media or the other I have no use for rock bands and most TVbut at least I understand my prejudices and felt that such has little place in an educational projectin direct controvention to statements Jimbo has made lauding such breadth of coverage The failure to improve overall article quality in the two years since is manifold and obvious GA FA and BClass articles havent notably increased in either numbers or percentages The manpower drain to such measures of deletionism vice improvement of whatever to a reasonable typestandard has really gone nowhere OTOH ANYONE can access a primary source in a cultural matter like a popular book or television program albeit with some effort required to check a fact cite a quote or check an interpretation or summation synopsis or summary Cultural topic coverage is some of the more entertaining reading we offer after all and those that punch in random article or just hear about someonesomething new is something that attracts readers So who should care that such articles arent to an academic standard They dont need to bethe reader wants information and coverage not null search results  In DIRECT CONTRAST to WPNOTEs focus is the indisputable fact that today many people come to wikipedia FIRST not just via google to get a laydown on a cultural topic My teens were the ones who made this obvious to me They checked things out here first then google in many cases The third party source and so called notability guidelines are frigging idiotic as written for fictional matters  But I get more satisfaction arguing with a wall I guess you picked up some of my disdain for those ramifications and the narrow interpretations by some but do remember IAR trumps them  That those editors apparently had moved on perhaps found the contributory environment here too hostile and werent around to defend those pages became too patently plain if you examine the talk record One idiot lemming behavior one sees over and over here is some young editor from my pov much lacking lifes perspective and experience latches onto the language of some guideline  or guidelines and gets carried away with ittotally discounting the effort of others to build whatever page or trying to make it work Had he accessed some off site materials The scripts are on the web for example incorporated important series evolutionary trivia into the articles and eliminated the fan trivia the pages would have been easy to fix up Instead I saw it on my sickbed queried our coverage an got appalled I did however thank him for his screw up helped me get interested in the show and Im usually disdainful of entertainment media overall if its not between book covers The shows rather well done and enjoyable My first wife may she rest in peace was a wiccan and Ive been quite interested in comparing wiccan depictions these last  years The miracle is not that I went so easy on that SOB nor to some threatened violence but that I bite my tounge for months without saying somethingthen had to spout when he made yet another hamhanded edit creating a slew of doubleredirects without even discussing the matter with me or the other two Ive finally involved in editing the pages WHERES THE RESPECT FOR OUR TIME or the way he impacted our time DISCUSSED IN YOUR Wikiquette discussion OR ANI Wheres the two times his edit crashed my browser as the section edit on the page no longer matched the system software page resulting in a lost hour and a half for the edit got lost sans the systems ability to reestablish page context So excuse me for feeling provoked by his incompetence Not ones ever paid me a penny for giving time here In sum that whole group of people yourself included have the problem backwardslike a cart being pushed by a mule You all wring hands and make tuttutting noises about one well deserved dressing down that was a one on one communication totally oblivious to the fact your jumping of the gun is part of the institutional insanity here that makes it increasingly a less and less satisfying place to contribute and outright hostile most of the damn time In the future try interven