Skol Fir  wowwere actually compromising  I would still argue however that introducing what youve claimed as FACTS are based on original research  Where do we link for those not familiar with the situation  I cant accept what youve proposed as Facts unless you agree to allow additional Facts to be included  that Reid plead guilty for his role in the illegal importation of  tons of marijuana and that the State of NY had a warrant when he left on his trip for his back child support and post departure said they could seize his boat  Those are facts too Skol Fir  Put those in as a compromise  Your desire to leave the OR statement in completely contradicts your use of OR in what you claim as facts   You write  We are debating whether or not to include them in the article not the facts themselves  What are we debating again  What do we expect other editors to base their comments on  The facts which are not to be considered facts for the article but only to be considered facts in consideration of whether they can be mentioned in the articlebut if based on the facts in the discussion it is determined that the facts are accurate those facts cant be included in the article itself because the facts are based on ORread it again  it does make sense     Doane didnt provide references  So what  He and Reid are friends in a COI kind of way  Youre the guy who fights the words alleged and claimed when they are proposed before anything Reid himself says  This is seriously out of control Skol Fir  If you want this to be an autobiography where everything comes straight from Stowe quotes go for it  Might as well just delete all the text and put a link to his website  Or write the article whatever way you want so long as at the end of each statement theres the following  Reid Stowe concurs   The claim that evidence in our extensive discussions is relevant is fallacy  Wheres your evidence that it is relevant  Cite please  Both pro and con have introduced info that isnt sourceabled  I have no intention of introducing OR do you       If you leave it as is with the strikethroughs and without the balance Ive suggested you are loading the deck  That runs counter to what this next exercise is all about    Comments