The information is perfectly reliable  Some other folks have apparently given me some help and added references  The some people claim information you are disputing is all over the internet  You seem to know something about editting wikipedia  perhaps you should have given me a hand rather than arguing with me  The fact you choose to argue rather than help out really makes me and probably others wonder why and weakens your own argument significantly  ps This note was really added more for anyone who may read your page here and wonder how this issue was resolved  for you folks please go see the MSG talk page and youll see the debate is clearly in our favor  Especially see how these guys made citations to argue with another guy that actually prove my original some people claim point  VERY odd