June  UTC  S Paliga also of the Urbian theory which has something to it though is known for or was that file of his that I read was from like  I read it in early  wild claims in his etymologies such as duman deriving from Thracian when it certainly derives from Turkish then from Persian ancient Greek Dusmenes being a cognate to the IndoAryan forms A very different and very careful and scientific fellow is Olteanu  his LTDM site and Im waiting for him to list the attestations of ByzasByzes and whatever  etymologies are considered likely I found mention in a Greek inscription at Olympia Greece of a Byzes of Naxos Island  so I dont even know at the moment whether it can safely be said that the name is Thracian Im a careful researcher again dude that buzunarabuze stuff was Paligas idea If youre an exadmin now thats too bad