Yes but the discusion has been long and UserTbma dosent take any notice from any kind of argument and now he uses  grade sources for ex the book Kantakoski Pekka  Punaiset panssarit  Punaarmeijan panssarijoukot  Red tanks  the Red Armys armoured forces is an exelent book on Red army tank units but it dont cover Battle for TaliIhantal more than a cuple of phrases and its both old and inaccurate on the Soviet OOB newer and better resershed and on a deeper scale is the work of proffesor Otho Manninen who studied Russian archives and Koskimaa this sources is not even considerd by Tbma