We go nowhere like that Comment I dont feel ready to back the one or the other position here For the time being I feel a bit closer to Dhans position but from a different point of view I just want to point out two things According to a Greek historian Paparregopoulos some hellenized Phanariotes families like Ghikas family had lost their Greek identity in the th century This fact seems to justify the use of predominantly since in indicates one thing In the th century not  of the Phanariotes families had a Greek indentity Maybe they were  but even this  justifies the use of predominantly I can live without this word I can also live with the word but if Dhan wants to add it I cannot prevent him at least according to my logic If we accept that  and not  of the Phanariotes were Greeks this does not affect at all the traits of the Greek War of Independence as Miskin has said Ok Not  but maybe  of Phanariotes played a role in this war What does it change Nothing A big fuss for nothing  Id like Dahn to further substantiate and back with additional sources his arguments What about some Googlebooking Everybody could do that in order to reinforce ones arguments In any case I dont think that we can solve this dispute on ourselves The problem is much deeper There are two extreme positions and no intention for a compromise Therefore I think about inviting an objective third party in this discussion I speak about  He is a highly esteemed in  the Wikipedia community historian and an administrator Although I can call him a friend in the Wikipedia society I know that he never sacrifices his consience for the sake of personal feelings or friendships In any disputes he took place he always tried to be objective Most importantly he is coolminded something none of us is If nobody of you wants him to intermediate I want call him in But if at least one of you agrees with this initiative Ill go on with it In any case guys I can say one thing for sure We go nowhere as we are now There is no way out Just a stalemate and further disputes Trivia victories of one or the other side will have no real effect