UTC  Childhood Section  NPOV I feel that the childhood section of this article is biased in favour of Phelps  It is littered with unsourced statements that were obviously added by either Phelps himself or someone else who knows him well such as his familycult members  The information on how his mother used to play piano for the pleasure of the neighbours or how he played cornet in the school band but later switched to bass horn is completely unnecessary and colours the section to sound more like a memoir than a biography  I think this section should be stripped down to include only relevant details about his early life to ensure that the article maintains a neural pointofview    This article is becoming a joke  Its my opinion that Phelps is simply TOO controversial a subject on whom to do an exhaustive encyclopedic biography of a living person  I believe that  of Wikipedians have their hearts in the right places but Im very dismayed at the constant changes in this piece  Nobody knows for sure the motivations of Fred Phelps yet everyone continues to guess at them  This in turn makes the entire article riddled with POV  I propose stripping this article down to the bare minimum  When Phelps has passed on historians will be more likely to ascertain his impact on world culture specifically in the United States  As it stands now nobody knows whether he is a religious zealot grandstander nutcase or any combination thereof  But people keep on guessing and I simply dont believe that makes for a very good encyclopedia article    Disagree with stripping this article down to bare minimum  He is one of the most controversial figures around today and deserves more detailed coverage     Detailed coverage does not mean the same thing as posting opinions  Documented information or peerreviewed critique are the key to preventing POV See WikipediaNeutralpointofview     I have to agree with Alex Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a news service or a celebrity gossip page The article should be stripped down to basic facts which meet the standards of encyclopediac sources This will make it easier to maintain a non point of view perspective There are hundreds at least of other sites only a Google away which can provide juicier bits    Aging Fred Would it be worth mentioning that most of the administration of the church has been taken over by Freds daughter Shirley In Louis Therouxs BBC documentary just screened Fred did nothing but read out prewritten diatribe and seemed to have trouble answering how many children he had when asked httpwwwbbccoukbbctwonoiseidlouistheroux   Only if you can find a reliable source which says that Shirley has taken over daytoday management of the church If you have a source for that statement go for it     Upon watching the documentary I felt that Fred did not have trouble answering how many children he had but was merely expressing irritation at the question indicating that anyone who had done basic research would know not only how many children he had but how many were still in regular contact with Fred Whether that irritation was justified can only be answered by those who were present during Louis Therouxs stays in Topeka John Warburton  I think ORPOV Theroux was trying to establish whether Phelps counted the  dissenting children as his and Phelps saw this and tried to avoid answering either way  In any case I dont consider that the documentary presented any credible evidence loss of faculties though that doesnt mean that hes mentally stable   October