Blueboar you cannot be that naive  I suspect that you have realised that you have stepped over the mark  By even suggesting in a widely read public forum such as this that the GLdF is an irregular Grand Lodge is the vilest and most vicious attack that any Mason can make upon the Grand Master officers and members of any other Masonic jurisdiction and it is unforgiveable  Your Grand Lodge does NOT state anywhere in the public domain that the GLdF is an IRREGULAR Grand Lodge and I challenge you to demonstrate to us where yu say it does  Not your word for it a reliable source ie The Grand Lodge of New York itself  Prove me wrong I wont mind  What is clear is that The Grand Lodge of New York is bound by the policies of The Conference of Grand Masters of Masons of North America which has specifically removed any claim to be the arbiters of Masonic regularity quite rightly and good on them  Take a look at their  and  reports  They are on their website and in print in black and white  Incontrovertable historical evidence  And then you come along  And you arbritrarily vilify The Grand Lodge of France and The Grand Lodge of All England  Bear in mind that I have been and we are in contact with the Conference and its Commission on Information over these very issues  They have graciously received our submissions and their statements have been carefully worded accordingly to include ALL Grand Lodges throughout the world  This is their and your current OFFICIAL policy   It must again be stated that the Commission does not determine the regularity of a Grand Lodge it only evaluates the facts available to determine if the entity meets the standards for recognition as adopted by the Conference of Grand Masters of North America and reports those findings to the member Grand Lodges of this Conference for their use   We must state again that even though a Grand Lodge may practice regular Masonry we only determine whether the Grand Lodge meets all the standards for recognition as established by this Conference  Not our words or the Grand Lodge of Frances words their words  The Conference of Grand Masters of Masons of North America including the Grand Master of The Grand Lodge of New York is NOT the arbiter of Masonic regularity  OFFICIAL POLICY  This is an encyclopedia  There is NO place for personal prejudices and political edicts from any partisan Grand Lodge yours or ours  History rises above that sort of thing  If you want to express political opinions then write a book and publish it under you own name but dont call it history  History is neutral  We can cooperate on the history of Freemasonry on Wikipedia but we must first agree to eliminate partisan politics or it is a complete waste of time  By the way the Antients Grand Lodge properly named The Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons According to the Old Institution is the UGLE  Please read The Charter of Compact  it is quite specific on this matter  Enough said  And in your version of French Masonic history you have completely ommitted to mention our Lodge which was instituted and based in Paris c but certainly no later than   You probably dont know about it but it is this sort of ommission which may be rectified if you calm your passions and your prejudices and get down to the serious business of reporting Masonic history  It is a very big and I believe important subject which is not served by insisting on UGLE political correctness  The UGLE is NOT Masonic history it is a small part of Masonic history and in this case represents a minority of Freemasonry in France  And finally I can assure you that the Grand Lodge of France couldnt give a fig for the opinions of the UGLE  Do you consider even for one second that if they were the least bit concerned about what the UGLE thought of them that they would have entered into a formal Treaty of Amity with the Grand Lodge of All England  You must think about what you are saying before you blindly leap into expressions of baseless opinion  Peter Clatworthy