Naming convention violation part    Tiderolls The guideline WikipediaNaming conventions use English under the section heading Including alternatives states that The body of each article preferably in its first paragraph should list all common names by which its subject is widely known The first sentence of that guideline states The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language as you would find it in reliable sourcesMy emphasis   NCDane I read the naming convention before my previous message to you and I considered Naming convention citations I originally provded to to constitute superseding prima facie authority I think they are worth repeating and I will repeat them  German proper names should be treated with care and attention to English practice  The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language    TR That means an editor must support their position by providing sources that show a common English usage   NCD That is ridiculous because the articles previous authors did not provide citation and the burden should be on them because they were the ones using a letter which does not exist in the English alphabet   Furthermore you know as well as I do that B is not common English usage  I am sure you like me  have NEVER in your life seen it used in ANY Englishlanguage publication EXCEPT for Wikipedia and perhaps the Internet Wiki copycats   But since I am up against unreasonable legalism on this issue  here is the first page of Google ENGLISH LANGUAGE BOOK hits on the name Uli Hoeness   httpbooksgooglecombooksidrQfNyLMsvICpgPAdqulihoenesshleneiIPTYvdGGBgattlDQsaXoibookresultctresultresnumvedCCMQAEwAAvonepagequlihoenessffalse  httpbooksgooglecombooksidrQfNyLMsvICpgPAdqulihoenesshleneiDrMPTdTaLLAbrkvWDgsaXoibookresultctresultresnumvedCDEQAEwAQ  httpbooksgooglecombooksidxmuSdQCpgPAdqulihoenesshleneiDrMPTdTaLLAbrkvWDgsaXoibookresultctresultresnumvedCEYQAEwBQ  httpbooksgooglecombooksidOsTeLLAoCkCpgPAdqulihoenesshleneiDrMPTdTaLLAbrkvWDgsaXoibookresultctresultresnumvedCFMQAEwCA  As you can see Hoeness is the version used  I also googled the next five pages and can confirm no use of B by any other English book source  I also found that the name Uli Hoeness does not occur in encyclopedias Brittanica ColumbiaBartleby and How Stuff Works   However it does occur twice as Hoeness in infoplease  httpwwwinfopleasecomsearchqhoenessinallfriptnxy  And it occurs  times times as Hoeness on the st page of Encyclopdiacom  httpwwwencyclopediacomsearchresultsaspxqulihoeness    TR Did you read the discussion that resulted from your post here Several editors explained how the rendering of an articles subject spelling is determined   NCD No I did not see it Where is it    TR Some of those editors even agreed in that particular instance that the present usage was incorrect Those editors however cited sources to support their position rather than simply stating its obviously incorrect It appears that no consensus to change was reached as the article name remains unchanged I have not seen one editor agree with you that there exists indiscriminate foreign language insinuations  There may be individual instances that need to be addressed with the proper sourcing and discussion but under the present guideline I see no need for wholesale changes There is no authority on this project other than policy and consensus If you wish a review of my position you may contact any editor Additionally if you feel it necessary you can raise the issue at the WPAdministrators noticeboardincidents Tiderolls   NCD I will attempt to post what I have written above at the apprpropiate forum if I can find it