kimi   Note Discussion moved from TalkEmperor Nintoku  Eirikr you have not presented any reasons why okimi would be incorrect and this is even contrary to your promise in the edit summary you yourself wrote We all know that monarchs of that period did not know nor use the title tenno they were known by other titles of which okimi is one and recognized in scholarly works Or did you not know  The preceding unsigned comment was added by        Hello   You beat me to the punch in commenting here   Sorry to butt heads but where have you run across Nintoku kimi     Googling for either Nintoku kimi or Nintoku Okimi results in zero hits  Googling for   yields exactly one hit which in and of itself seems to be a Goofle as it were  the cache link fails out and simply viewing the link itself shows no instances of  with only one  on the page at all but in an entirely different context talking indirectly about the Meiji emperor where we see  but not   Looking up the term  in Shgakukans  edition of the  does list  as the first definition and the    of  shows  as His Majesty both suggesting an indirect address rather than a title  Googling for  yields around  hits but  is again not used as a title  there are no instances of  anywhere I can find  I know that the web in Japan is not as developed as it is here but if the appellation  were common Id expect to find at least one hit   If you have some source showing this use please clue me in here  As it presently stands I find no evidence for Nintoku kimi and have thus removed this from the article text  Cheers      I am asking why okimi would be incorrect It does not necessarily need to be in form Nintoku Okimi some other form showing that title which is more correct than tenno is also acceptable Are you contesting that Nintoku was truly called okimi The ruler of Japan was variously known as  yamato kimi Great King of Yamato  wawakoku King of Wa used externally  amenoshita shiroshimesu kimi or sumera no mikoto Great King who rules all under heaven used internally in Japanese and Chinese sources prior to the th century The first documented use of the title tenn is in the diplomatic letter from Empress Suiko to Emperor Yang of Sui China in  CE Btw my computer does not display Japanese signs thus no need to write them please use transliterations  The preceding unsigned comment was added by        Hm I think Im beginning to understand where youre coming from  The problem for me arises in the way in which kimi was introduced in your edits like this example from the Emperor Nintoku page   Emperor Nintoku  Nintoku Tenn or rather Nintoku okimi    So far as I can tell kimi is not used directly after the name making the usage in this edit apparently incorrect  And regarding more correct as you put it its important to specify in which context  I assume here you mean that tenn was not the term that was used in choose your title Nintokus lifetime which makes perfect sense to me  However what is more conventional in modern writings about the rulers of Japan seems to be the tenn appellation which is why numerous editors have changed this addition back  Perhaps you could word your addition differently  The following note for example might express what you