UTC  Cool I am actually well known for making long posts especially in forums This is just a summary and isnt intended to elaborate on all the main points Its just to give people an idea of what you are writing so they will understand your long rant better And I agree with some of your points especially antielitism I wrote the Google Groups article As an experienced Google Groups user who owns a successful teen chat group and moderates several other large groups I am more than qualified to write the Google Groups article even if I am not the most knowledgable Google Groups user in the world However much of my information was tagged as unsourced This will discourage experts from contributing their knowledge I have also seen complaints about rogue admins abusing their powers    June