bcm versus km Dear Gene Nygaard You said that generally everyone understands km I am not sure about this statement and find this use quite unusual and misleading Could you please give any example in gas industry where km is used maybe just some newspaper article Also if youd could find any article in wikipeedia about gas fileds or pipelines which use km I would like to get a reference    Google natural gas km   hits  Note that Google as far as I know wont search for the  character but this gets those that use either html superscripts or just km and the like  There are other ways to find more of them  You will of course find many using bcm as well  But as I pointed out that may be jargon used within the industry but it is not known outside the industry there might possibly be other little pockets of its usage in other contexts even less known   another search on AltaVista km natural gas  hits   AltaVista appears to treat  and  as synonymous unlike Google You can limit them to gov sites or to edu sites too to see that this isnt newspaper usage but in fact more likely to take place in more serious and professional contexts    BTW if you were arguing about tcf youd maybe have a better case  That is common enough in the industry more so than bcm that it is better known outside the industry too    I am able to use different search engages However could you please give any example of use km  as an unit of capacity of gas pipeline Concerning tcf trillion cubic feet  its used more in the US gas industry while bcm is used mainly in Europe Dont see problem with this If you look the external links of this artcile you will find both tcf and bcm depending of the source   In the petroleum industry the unit systems used are Oilfield and Metric like what was mentoned above all depending on where you are and who you are working with However I have never come across km being used to describe gas field sizes or gas production and if someone was to describe a field or gas production in such a way to someone in the industry it would have no revelace to them it is not a standard of unit It would have to be Bcm Mcm EM Bcf Tcf MMscf Mscf etc     Surely we writing for a general audience not only for people in certain industries  km is standard SI if some people in some industry want to use something else then thats their problem  PS Hello Gene p    Very true Jimp we are writing for a general audience And when i searched some news articles by the likes of Forbes CNN Money etc on Google news in the past month for the phrase km in relation to gasgasfield gas field natural gas it returns one result from Petroleum World However the units tcf bcf bcm return   at least     hits when used with the above phrases And these are from Forbes Reuters CNN Money Globe and mail which i think you would agree are also writing for the General Audience The numbers are in their hundreds of thousands when you do just a general web search for tcf bcf and bcm compared to the  km turns up So its not really just some people in some industry using these terms  Cheers   Sure it is  But thats beside the point we at Wikipedia choose to use standard unit symbols not all the various offthecuff possibilities and km is the standard symbol for  m  It isnt surprising at all that financial magazines are too innumerate when it comes to units of measure to even understand what they are so sure they get passed on unchanged  So what      Sorting on s   Are you quite sure that s should be sorted under o The  is a separate character and is sorted separately in Danish abcyz      Yes its sorted differently in Danish  But this is English Wikipedia and in English we sort by the English alphabet Just look at the navigation tool that appears at the top of many of the larger categories for example   letters sometimes  digits as well This is one of those letters which could alternatively be sorted under oe rather than o in some cases but WikipediaCategorization suggests using the single letter in cases like this  Ill use oe if I see some evidence of actual use of that spelling in English as is the case of the use of Oerst as an abbreviation in biological taxonomy otherwise o and usually wont change it if someone used one or the other     In Danish I wouldnt be surprised to see my name sorted after Nygren  Not in English however     I would think that was more graciously handled in software by making Mediawiki sort s under o That way no information is lost and you can choose to sort it differently if you need to another day      Yes that would probably keep it from being messed up  If that were easily accomplished it probably would have been done long ago  One of the problems is that the same character in different languages is often treated differently Or in the same language should  be sorted as oe or o for example in whatever language The name order part isnt easily automated nor the thing about sorting River Clyde under Clyde in rivers categories The capitalization problems are another unresolved problem  Note that our sorting is just by Unicode number not according to the sorting rules in any language note that if this sorting is used Danes would look like a bunch of Swedes in disguise with  coming before  and before  rather than after  Even punctuation or any other characters are sorted  But the letters a to z all come after A to Z  The letters such as  always come before their own lowercase forms such as   But the uppercase letters with diacritics all follow lowercase az and all but one precede other uppercase letters some of which might be sorted below it in the rules peculiar to any particular language    If that were easily accomplished it probably would have been done long ago I dont subscribe to that There are plenty of relatively easy to accomplish things which are just not done See for example the Wikipedia blocking system which just recently had a bunch of obvious fixes applied such as being able to block only IP edits without blocking registrered accounts Unicode has sorting rules defined as part of the standard with different sorting rules for different languages I am guessing we just need to import the English sorting rules into Mediawiki     Wrong  That doesnt exist  Unicode provides a method of implementing the sorting and there are various implementations in different languages  But there is no official English language implementation  Sorting rules vary not only by language but also by country and also by application to a particular purpose  There is no overall English rule    Well then we just choose a particular implementation for English We would have to do that anyway       Goran Stani   Err no idea what youre talking about They werent redlinks beforehand By the way you need to work on your approach     See WikipediaCheatsheet if you need help in making a redirect  Of course maybe its a nobody who might be deleted on notability grounds cant think of any other reasons youd want to keep this article hidden    Yep hes hidden right there on the St Johnstone page    More relevantly hes hidden right here on my talk page  Goran Stanic  And more importantly yet hes hidden from anybody who puts Goran Stanic in the search box and clicks on Go  Someone who reads about him in an English newspaper or sports magazine for example and wants to see if Wikipedia has anything about him  No guess notthat was a waste of time  Furthermore his article is UE LleidaAll former foreign playershidden