Additional Proofs that Ramdasias are Chamar  Will post to Chamar discussion page after block has expired   Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier Province  By HA Rose IBBETSON Maclagan  httpwwwarchiveorgstreamglossaryoftribesrosepagenmodeup p of the book or P of online book  He states that Just as the Muhammadan Chamar is styled Mochi so that Sikh Chamar is called Ramdasia  Panjab castes by Sir Denzil Ibbetson  httpwwwarchiveorgstreampanjabcastesibbepagenmodeup  On Page  he states Similarly if the Ramdasias do not follow the occupation of Chamars it is no reason to separate them from that castes So if a Ramdasia is Julaha that is a weaver and if he is Bazzaz that is a draper his caste remains unchanged If a Chamar a leatherworker becomes a Sikh and receives pahul today he at once joins the Ramdasias The Ramdasias do receive the daughters in marriage of ordinary Chamars but give them pahul before associating with themThe the Ramdasi is still a Chamar  On page   The Sikh Chamar or Ramdasia  It will be seen from Table VIII A that in the north and centre of the Eastern Plains a very considerable number of Chamiirs have embraced the Sikh religion These men are called Ramdasia after Guiu Ram Das though what connection they have with him I have been unable to discover Perhaps he was the first Guru to admit Chamars to the religion Many perhaps most of the Ramdasia Chamars have abandoned leatherwork for the loom  they do not eat carrion and they occupy a much  higher position than the Hindu Chamars though they are not admitted to religious equality by the other Sikhs The Ramdasia are often confused with the Raidiisi oi Rabdasi Chamars The former are true Sikhs and take the pdhul The latter are Hindus or if Sikhs only Nanakpanthi Sikhs and do not take the pcikul  and are followers of Bhagat Rav Das or Rab Das himself a Chamar They are apparently as true Hindus as any Chamars can be and are wrongly called Sikhs by confusion with the Ranidasias  The Religious Life of India  The Chamars by GW Briggs ISBN  Available on google books On page P the various subcastes of chamars originated due to different occupations Quote The Chandar does not tanning and is the highest of the subcastesThe Ramdasi is a weaverThe Bonas are weavers of blankets who are Sikhs   The Chamar Castes of Punjab  In Punjab the Chamar is known as Adharmi Chamar Jatia Chamar Rehgar Raigar Ramdasia Ravidasi  Source THE CONSTITUTION SCHEDULED CASTES ORDER CO httplawminnicinldsubordruleahtm  SourceList of notified Scheduled Castes httpwwwcensusindiagovinTablesPublishedSCSTSCListspdf  Chamar Castes of Delhi  In Delhi the chamar is known as CHAMAR CHANWAR CHAMAR JATYA OR JATAVCHAMAR MOCHI RAMDASIA RAVIDASI RAIDASIREHGARH OR RAIGAR  SourceLIST OF SCST UNDER GOVT OF NCT OF DELHI httpdcnorthdelhigovtnicinSCListpdf  Chamar Castes of Jammu  Kashmir  Chamar Castes of Jammu  Kashmir  The Chamar is known as Chamar or Ramdasia  SourceThe Constitution  Jammu  Kashmir Scheduled Castes Order  httpwwwcensusindiagovinTablesPublishedSCSTSCListspdf  Dalits and the Emancipatory Sikh Religion Raj Kumar Hans from History department of MS University of Baroda Based on a Draft Paper presented at University of Pennsylvania at the Conference on Dalit Challenges to Academic Knowledge The Great Paradoxes httppunjabpanoramablogspotcomdalitsandemancipatorysikhreligionhtml  Another dalit Naxalite poet Lal Singh Dil was born in a Ramdasia Sikh Chamar family in    On Poet Lal Singh Dil  httpapnaorgcomarticlesnirpuma  Born to a lowcaste Ramdasia Chamar tanner family Dil was the first of his clan to pass Class X while doing his daily labour and go to college   Scheduled Castes in Sikh Community A Historical Perspective by Harish K Puri  httpwwwsikhspectrumcomscheduledpdf  In the customary scheme outcastes such as mazhabis Churah Sikh balmikis and ramdasias chamar Sikhravidasias were not allowed to own land   Perspectives on Sikh Studies by Jagjit Singh  published by Guru Nanak Foundation Near JNU and Qutab Hotal New Delhi   httpwwwglobalsikhstudiesnetpdfpersikhstudiespdf  on Page The Ramdasias or the Sikh Chamars occupt a much higher position than the Hindu Chamars  On page  By changing their name to Ramdasias the Chamar Sikhs could alter positon in the Sikh case hierarchy becoming Sikhs and refusing to marry or interdine with Chamar Hindus   Punjab Government Website Listing steps for getting a scheduled caste certificate   In this website the have listed Chamar Jatia ChamarRehgar RaigarRamdasi of Ravidasi Ramdasia Ramdasia Sikh Ravidasia Ravidasia Sikh under the same bullet point indicating that all members belong to these castes are the same httpindiagovinhowdoservicedetailphpformid  Website httpwwwsikhlinkcomGlossaryhtm lists the following  Ramdasia  The Sikh section of the Chamar caste an outcaste Sikh   httpwwwsikhsangatcomindexphpshowtopicst In the forum post  a member writes   Sikhs who were formerly Hindu chamars but converted to Sikhism are referred to as RAMDASIA Sikhs This is because Sikhism under Guru Ram Das saw the maximum conversion of Hindu Chamars to Sikhism   Website httpwwwambedkartimescompagehtml on Kanshi Ram  Mr Kanshi Ram was born in a Ramdasia  Chamar  low scheduled caste dalit family on  March  in village Khawaspur of Ropar district  Punjab India    Matrimonial Profiles posted on the internet  httpwwwtribuneindiacomclassfhtm  Alliance for RamdasiaChamarAddharmi  girl pursuing BA Part I Computer Chandigarh family    httpwwwmatrimonialsindiacommaindetlphpsl Caste written as RamdasiaChamar