Hey  For your info I am trying to kick off a discussion at Wikipedia talkNotability peopleBeauty pageant contestants for your info I think given the extent of the problem we need some FIRM rules establishing There has been a precedent in the past to consider individuals notable as national titleholders  and given that we have stubs on nonentity sportspeople who were once in a football team in the s and never heard of again I personally dont have a problem with these national titleholders having equivalent stubs although I dont have to LIKE it