Since I wont be around to implement this  do with it as you will   I have written up what I think would be a working compromiseand was going to post it on Mcshitheads talk page but since he has been such an asshole and will never collaborate with another view trouble is he runs the place and is so afraid of me he is shitting his pants with every word I writeLOL and you have had your peepee slapped because McGod is afraid of you too  Anyway here goes   Compromise I can understand almost all the views of most peoples concerns here As a compromise to most I would like to offer a possible solution to address most of those concerns for this otherwise conundrum  Extend Andreasegdes Triangular Diplomacy II solution from  Before  anybody freaksout please read the rest This solution  would continue to promote the usage of pronoun references to band names midsentence while still retaining the ability to occasionally use the bands name or individual member references midsentence Complaints about the usage of all pronouns making boring repetitive prose in the article would be addressed by  adding this addendum to the previous Triangular Diplomacy II solution already observed by many  Midsentence usage of  both The Beatles and the Beatles be permitted occasionally with these caveats Provided an identifying phrase is used to indicate usage   When referring to band members  a lowercase t should be used ie the Beatles  when referring to the band as a corporate whole  an uppercase T should be used ie The Beatles   Some Examples  The Beatles were a rock band of great accomplishment  capitalisation is always used at the beginning of a sentence regardless  Paul became a Beatle  obvious individual nongroup reference no the or identifying phrase needed  Paul became one of the most popular members of The Beatles band  whole group reference with band identifier and also obvious context  Paul became one of most longlived members of The Beatles band  group reference with band identifier and obvious context  George Martin became involved with The Beatles group later  group clarifies corporate group usage meaning  After the event the individual Beatles went separate  ways  individual clarifies individual member context  After the event the Beatles individuals went separate  ways  individuals clarifies  After the event The Beatles members went separate  ways  members clarifies the bandgroup a gotcha  If people have other extreme examples perhaps we can see them in order to fine tune and clarify to satisfy almost all collaborative editors This solution could resolve most of the concerns stated in this medcom proceding Future editing from newer editors may violate these seemingly complicated rules but would be easy to fix with addition of either simple words or cap correction and a references to some posted MOS rules The only arguments I can see that may arise would be whether the band or the individual members are being referred to The simple fix for these disputes would be to return that particular sentence back to the Triangular Diplomacy solution This would appear to be inline with hundreds of other musical articles already observing a similar de facto standard Any violations would be easy to correct and violations would not look outside of most grammar usage anyway I dont really see any other way to satify so many different concepts here Trademarks dont work and the MOS contradicts itself and grammar in many places If this solution is even remotely desired by the majority andor medcom team here this could be fine tuned by controlled input to medcom  mediators Also implementation methods for clarifying to newcomers would need input on how to set up the MoS page possibly Beyond my knowledges This MoS should apply to all musical articles if we can make it work Have a nice life If I am still here in a few hours Iwill drop back in harrass the crap out of you some more ROFL