re  Hi again httpenwikipediaorgwindexphptitleTemplateTemplatecategorycuriddiffoldid Simplify restore basic message without shortsighted and arrogant assumption of types You were warned NAVBOXES cannot be defaulted too many other kinds Why is treating navboxes as if they are a default shortsighted and arrogant Isnt NAVBOXES cannot be defaulted too many other kinds flawed reasoning I didnt realize I was being given a warning only that you were trying to point something out to me Is it okay to discuss the problem youve found Im still wondering why whatever youre trying to do requires fixed numbered parameters If it cant use parameter names perhaps a different more flexible more forwardcompatible approach is needed      Shaking head Why not use Whatlinkshere and SURVEY the many other kinds of categorised by types template pages there are that are NOT Navboxes Infoboxes Typingaid templates etc Wikipedia administration templates the lists go on and on Defaulting to something NOT plain vanilla means instantly those pages are MADE wrong CREATING WORK information confusion AT THE LEAST   The original plain vanilla template did a nice simple message having a single overriding mission This is a Template Category Listing Templatesthats the only mission that template has all else is frills All these tricks you installed are just play on your part SORRY but as an emperor you have no clothes on on this matter  On flexibility WHY What rationale reason can you cite for the time youve already spent on a template whose sole purpose is to alert readers they arent in a wikipedia category but an administrative category of some sort Look at the page history from genesis to last Fallwinter Play with something that will help the project forsooth   Sorry to seem shrill on this but youve invested time in something that in the grand scheme of things really doesnt matter much save for the primary mission and your changes BREAK THAT and install confusion    Adopt this simple rule if tempted to change a widespread template change it solely so it still functions the way it was originally applied See for example the test I did in  several days ago to restore equivalence in here  I wont go into the fact your changes also broke portability needs to templates on other sisters simply because others broke that maxim breaking original functionality and in the later case portability Even commoncss changes do thatsometimes In practice that means you can usually add a parameter and logic to handle the difference that parameter implements but you shouldnt and cant make sweeping changes that make pages WRONG Particularly those that REQUIRE A PAGE TO CORRECTLY DEFINE A PARAMETER to make your changes operate correctly You dont see anything wrong with your logic on that basis God help you if you dont now That by the way is what I meant by arrogant perhaps just ignorant of the big pictiure Hope so Any more questions