[House Hearing, 112 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] HEARING TO REVIEW THE VARIOUS DEFINITIONS OF RURAL APPLIED UNDER PROGRAMS OPERATED BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON RURAL DEVELOPMENT, RESEARCH, BIOTECHNOLOGY, AND FOREIGN AGRICULTURE OF THE COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TWELFTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ FEBRUARY 15, 2011 __________ Serial No. 112-2 Printed for the use of the Committee on Agriculture agriculture.house.gov U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 64-688 WASHINGTON : 2011 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; DC area (202) 512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402-0001 COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE FRANK D. LUCAS, Oklahoma, Chairman BOB GOODLATTE, Virginia, COLLIN C. PETERSON, Minnesota, Vice Chairman Ranking Minority Member TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, Illinois TIM HOLDEN, Pennsylvania STEVE KING, Iowa MIKE McINTYRE, North Carolina RANDY NEUGEBAUER, Texas LEONARD L. BOSWELL, Iowa K. MICHAEL CONAWAY, Texas JOE BACA, California JEFF FORTENBERRY, Nebraska DENNIS A. CARDOZA, California JEAN SCHMIDT, Ohio DAVID SCOTT, Georgia GLENN THOMPSON, Pennsylvania HENRY CUELLAR, Texas THOMAS J. ROONEY, Florida JIM COSTA, California MARLIN A. STUTZMAN, Indiana TIMOTHY J. WALZ, Minnesota BOB GIBBS, Ohio KURT SCHRADER, Oregon AUSTIN SCOTT, Georgia LARRY KISSELL, North Carolina STEPHEN LEE FINCHER, Tennessee WILLIAM L. OWENS, New York SCOTT R. TIPTON, Colorado CHELLIE PINGREE, Maine STEVE SOUTHERLAND II, Florida JOE COURTNEY, Connecticut ERIC A. ``RICK'' CRAWFORD, Arkansas PETER WELCH, Vermont MARTHA ROBY, Alabama MARCIA L. FUDGE, Ohio TIM HUELSKAMP, Kansas GREGORIO KILILI CAMACHO SABLAN, SCOTT DesJARLAIS, Tennessee Northern Mariana Islands RENEE L. ELLMERS, North Carolina TERRI A. SEWELL, Alabama CHRISTOPHER P. GIBSON, New York JAMES P. McGOVERN, Massachusetts RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois VICKY HARTZLER, Missouri ROBERT T. SCHILLING, Illinois REID J. RIBBLE, Wisconsin ______ Professional Staff Nicole Scott, Staff Director Kevin J. Kramp, Chief Counsel Tamara Hinton, Communications Director Robert L. Larew, Minority Staff Director ______ Subcommittee on Rural Development, Research, Biotechnology, and Foreign Agriculture TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, Illinois, Chairman GLENN THOMPSON, Pennsylvania JIM COSTA, California, Ranking MARLIN A. STUTZMAN, Indiana Minority Member AUSTIN SCOTT, Georgia HENRY CUELLAR, Texas RANDY HULTGREN, Illinois PETER WELCH, Vermont VICKY HARTZLER, Missouri TERRI A. SEWELL, Alabama ROBERT T. SCHILLING, Illinois LARRY KISSELL, North Carolina Mike Dunlap, Subcommittee Staff Director (ii) C O N T E N T S ---------- Page Costa, Hon. Jim, a Representative in Congress from California, opening statement.............................................. 3 Prepared statement........................................... 4 Courtney, Hon. Joe, a Representative in Congress from Connecticut, submitted letter.................................. 125 Johnson, Hon. Timothy V., a Representative in Congress from Illinois, opening statement.................................... 1 Prepared statement........................................... 2 Witnesses Cook, Cheryl, Deputy Under Secretary for Rural Development, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Washington, D.C..................... 5 Prepared statement........................................... 7 Submitted questions.......................................... 128 Larson, Hon. Donald, Commissioner, Brookings County, South Dakota; Chairman, Agriculture and Rural Affairs Steering Committee, National Association of Counties, Brookings, SD; on behalf of National Association of Development Organizations.... 82 Prepared statement........................................... 83 Collins, Ph.D., Timothy, Assistant Director, Illinois Institute for Rural Affairs, Western Illinois University, Bushnell, IL... 87 Prepared statement........................................... 89 Fluharty, Charles W., President and CEO, Rural Policy Research Institute, Truman School of Public Affairs, University of Missouri-Columbia, Columbia, MO................................ 97 Prepared statement........................................... 98 Dozier, Mike, Director, Office of Community and Economic Development, California State University, Fresno, Fresno, CA... 103 Prepared statement........................................... 105 HEARING TO REVIEW THE VARIOUS DEFINITIONS OF RURAL APPLIED UNDER PROGRAMS OPERATED BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE ---------- TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 2011 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Rural Development, Research, Biotechnology, and Foreign Agriculture, Committee on Agriculture, Washington, D.C. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:00 a.m., in Room 1300, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Timothy V. Johnson [Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding. Members present: Representatives Johnson, Thompson, Scott, Hultgren, Schilling, Costa, Sewell, Kissell, and Courtney. Staff present: Mike Dunlap, Patricia Barr, Tamara Hinton, Debbie Smith, Scott Kuschmider, Liz Friedlander, and Jamie Mitchell. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM ILLINOIS The Chairman. This hearing of the Subcommittee on Rural Development, Research, Biotechnology, and Foreign Agriculture to review the various definitions of rural applied under the programs operated by the USDA will now come to order. I would ask leave of the Committee that my opening statement be submitted and incorporated in the record rather than taking the Committee's and audience's time reading a relatively lengthy statement verbatim, I would ask leave of the Committee to submit that. The statement is ordered incorporated in the record. As everybody here is aware, both the Members of the Committee and the audience, the purpose of this bill is to deal with questions of rural under relative provisions of Federal law, in particular, the 2008 Farm Bill. There are concerns that have been evidenced and voiced over some period of time that because of too expansive a definition and/or because of failure of various Administration agencies to narrow in and report the underlying purpose of the bill, could be undermined and that spurring rural competitiveness in the global market through infrastructure, investment and business lending and assistance might be impaired, and that is a good part of the reason why we are here. Let me also point out that the gentleman from Connecticut, my friend, Mr. Courtney, not a Member of the Subcommittee, has joined us today. Ranking Member, Mr. Costa, and I have consulted and we are pleased to welcome him to join us in the questioning of witnesses, unless there is any objection. Hearing none, leave is granted. Mr. Courtney, we are pleased to have you with us. [The prepared statement of Mr. Johnson follows:] Prepared Statement of Hon. Timothy V. Johnson, a Representative in Congress from Illinois Good morning, and welcome. In the coming months this Subcommittee will be conducting a full review of the activities under its jurisdiction, including agricultural research, extension services, biotechnology, trade promotion, and our topic today, rural development. We will also be reviewing the status of programs specifically authorized in the 2008 Farm Bill, and how USDA has utilized these authorities. The farm bill provided for a number of programs intended to spur rural economic development. Through infrastructure investments, business lending, and assistance for community facilities, rural development programs are designed with the purpose of helping our rural communities compete in a global market. As the agency responsible for implementing these programs USDA is charged with ensuring rules are written in a timely manner so that rural America can receive the greatest benefit possible. Members of this Subcommittee understand that assisting small, rural communities carries with it a great many challenges. Not the least of which is ensuring that the limited funds available are targeting only rural communities and not diverted to urban areas. While we appreciate the USDA's commitment to bringing assistance to rural communities, there are several areas that concern me and the Subcommittee that the responsibilities laid out by Congress in the 2008 Farm Bill are not being met. Furthermore, after repeated assurances that adequate staff was available to complete work on rural broadband and loan programs, despite an influx of funds from the stimulus, I fear these funds have been administered to the detriment rural communities. I hope that USDA can provide the Subcommittee with solid evidence that rural America will benefit from the program before those authorities expire. It is the purview of Congress to determine how the money entrusted to the Federal Government is spent, and where that money is targeted. Today we will be looking at a key aspect of how funds are targeted through the various rural development programs operated by USDA. In an effort to properly target communities, decision makers rely on the definition of `rural'. However, defining rural continues to be a challenge for policy makers at all levels. It is our understanding that USDA has used their waiver authority under section 6018 of the Farm Bill to fund projects in areas the Under Secretary for Rural Development deemed to be `rural in character.' We look forward to an update on how many of the 146 eligible areas were awarded funds for rural development projects. There are 16 Federal agencies operating 88 rural development programs. Virtually none of these programs have identical definitions of what it means to be rural. In most cases, the definitions reflect the specific nature of the program. With so many agencies and programs targeting rural development, coordination is important. I hope that our witnesses today can provide some insight as to where greater coordination should be sought among the various agencies, and whether efficiencies might be gained. The 2008 Farm Bill required USDA to submit a report to Congress that would review the various definitions of rural, describe the effects that the variations in those definitions have on those programs, make recommendations for ways to better target funds through rural development programs, and determine the effect of the changes to definitions of rural on the level of rural development funding and participation in those programs in each state. Unfortunately, USDA has not yet completed their work due last summer. Today's hearing will provide an opportunity for USDA to update the Committee on how the revised definitions of rural have affected our programs. We hope that USDA will also be able to provide an assurance of when their report will be forthcoming. We are pleased that USDA is with us this morning to give an update on these issues. In addition to USDA's testimony, we are pleased to have a panel of distinguished individuals with tremendous expertise in economic development. We appreciate the time and effort each of them has put into preparing their testimony and traveling to be with us this morning and we look forward to their remarks. Finally, it is clearly within the jurisdiction of the Congress, the full Committee, and this Subcommittee to propose changes in the law that would better address these issues and our overarching goal of serving the needs of rural America. I appreciate the ongoing relationship with USDA and the Subcommittee on Rural Development, and want to work together to achieve mutual goals. However, there should be no question that it is the Congress, and not unelected administrative agencies, who will set the policy for the United States. The Chairman. For his preliminary remarks I would turn the microphone over to my friend, the distinguished Ranking Member from California, Mr. Costa. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. JIM COSTA, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM CALIFORNIA Mr. Costa. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Good morning to all who are here this day, Members of the Subcommittee, on a bipartisan basis. I know we look forward to working together as we deal with many of the challenges of the subject matter that this Subcommittee has jurisdiction over, from rural development to research, biotechnology and foreign agriculture. All of us, in one way or another, are touched by the impacts of our agricultural districts. The importance of agriculture to America's ability not only to maintain its tremendous ability to feed itself, but to export our agricultural products throughout the world. I like to say nobody does it better than we do in terms of food, fiber and the quality and the yield of those food and fibers, and also using cutting-edge technology. Mr. Chairman, today's hearing is very important, and I am pleased that you took the time to focus on this, and to have our testimony from not only the USDA, but also our witnesses on our second panel, the focus on statutory and regulatory definitions of rural as they are applied to the United States Department of Agriculture in the various programs as to whether or not we qualify in our respective states as to that rural definition. Many of us, Chairman Johnson, you and I and others, worked very hard on the 2008 Farm Bill to ensure that it reflected and represented the needs of U.S. agriculture, and on a bipartisan basis we did a pretty good job. It was the only bill--for the new Members--that actually in that Congress followed regular order in both Houses and actually was vetoed by the President. And on a bipartisan basis, we overrode the veto. So, it is important to note the history of the 2008 Farm Bill as we focus on reauthorization in 2012. But this morning's hearing is very important, I believe, and I again want to thank you. We have many areas in the nation, take mine as an example, that are rural, that have tremendous agricultural production, that are in the top ten agricultural counties in the nation, agricultural counties in terms of farm output on the farm gate. In other words, they are what we count in terms of gross receipts. My counties, Fresno County, and Kern County have been number one and number three, respectively, for decades. Fresno County is the largest agricultural county in the nation. Kern County is number three. Tulare County represented by Congressman Nunes is number two, the largest dairy county in the nation, yet none of those counties in the whole region qualify under the rural definition. I would love to invite you. I know my other colleagues would love to invite you to the San Joaquin Valley, the heartland of California's farm breadbasket. We don't fit under the rural definitions, and I would submit to you that having farmed there myself and my family for 3 decades, we are pretty rural, yet under the USDA's definitions we don't qualify. And it is like our tax dollars come here to Washington, but they don't come back to the areas I represent. You will see the maps and our witnesses will demonstrate that in their testimony, there are a host of areas throughout the United States that fall in that same category. I don't know if it is possible to establish a nationwide definition for rural as we continue to deal with the challenges, not only like mine, but elsewhere in the country. But, I think everyone here, the USDA included, would be hard- pressed to come up with a singular definition as to what it means to be rural in each state in the nation. So I am looking forward to the testimony, Mr. Chairman, as we wrestle with this effort, as we try to ensure that our communities throughout the country are able to participate in the farm bill as we hoped and intended it to be when we passed it on a bipartisan basis in 2008. So I thank you, and I look forward to listening to the testimony and I will submit the rest of my comments for the record. [The prepared statement of Mr. Costa follows:] Prepared Statement of Hon. Jim Costa, a Representative in Congress from California Good morning, Chairman Johnson. Thank you for calling today's hearing and I congratulate you on being named Chairman to this Subcommittee for the 112th Congress. I look forward to working with you and all the Members on both sides of the aisle on the many issues under our jurisdiction. I am proud of what this Committee has accomplished in a bipartisan fashion during my time in Congress and I hope we can continue down that road for the next 2 years. Today's hearing is an important one, because the various statutory and regulatory definitions of `rural' applied to USDA Rural Development programs have a significant effect on rural communities in my district and home state. California continues to struggle with eligibility for these programs, whether it is rural housing, health, or essential community facilities, largely because of the criteria used to define rural communities. The use of rural definitions as basic eligibility criteria has created a separate set of problems. On the one hand, the establishment of different criteria for what is rural depending on the program has created a great deal of confusion, even among economic development professionals who in many cases are familiar with RD programs. Another problem is the nationwide application of a given rural definition. I think everyone here, USDA included, would be hard-pressed to come up with a singular definition that accurately portrays what it means to be rural in each and every state. Unfortunately, these definitions do apply and often exclude communities and their residents from financing essential infrastructure like housing, basic utilities, and health facilities. Definitions based on population or distances from urbanized areas also do not take into account other socioeconomic factors that could elevate communities to be ideal candidates for RD programs. Migration flows have caused some cities to grow above the population cutoff without the accompanying increased economic development and diversified economies that many people associate with urban areas. But they are rapidly losing their eligibility for rural programs that aim to meet these goals. The Central Valley of California has seen this play out time and time again. Recent farm bills have made tweaks to the definition of rural, so I look forward to hearing from both panels on whether or not a new approach is needed. It's no secret that Rural Development is under the budget microscope, even with nearly all of their programs being oversubscribed. If more rural communities can be better served with a different set of criteria or a different regionally-based approach to development, then that is something this Committee should consider for the next farm bill. I hope USDA will be able to provide this Committee with some suggestions from the lessons it has learned from the administration of awards not just in annual appropriations, but the Recovery Act funds to certain RD programs that aimed to bolster essential infrastructure. Once again, I welcome today's witnesses and I look forward to their testimony. I yield back my time. The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Costa. I would like to remind Members that after at the conclusion of each panel, that they will be recognized for questioning in the order of seniority for Members who were here at the start of the meeting. That is fairly traditional and common in each Committee. After that, Members will be recognized in order of arrival. I appreciate your understanding and the clerk will be supplying me that list as we progress through the testimony. Our first panel consists of one member. I would like to welcome our first witness to the table, specifically Ms. Cheryl Cook, Deputy Under Secretary for Rural Development, U.S. Department of Agriculture, in Washington. Ms. Cook, please begin when you are ready. I don't want to preempt in any way what you choose to do. If you want to summarize from your statement, which we have in full, we would be more than happy to give you more time to actually respond to questions and articulate the points you want to make, but that is entirely up to you. Proceed. STATEMENT OF CHERYL COOK, DEPUTY UNDER SECRETARY FOR RURAL DEVELOPMENT, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, WASHINGTON, D.C. Ms. Cook. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning to you and to Ranking Member Costa, and to other Members of the Subcommittee. It is my pleasure to be here today to discuss the issue that perhaps more than any other caused me to leave a perfectly good job in the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture that I enjoyed very much to come back to USDA. We simply have to do something about how we account for rural resources. In the interest of time, I would like to just submit my statement for the record, make a few brief opening comments and get right to your questions. My written statement includes a complete listing of all of our statutory definitions with respect to what is an eligible rural area. While there are variations among them, one thing they have in common is that they serve as a basic test of eligibility. They are gates, if you will. If you don't meet the standard, we don't even take your application; a gate does not open. The other thing our several eligibility standards have in common is that they rely almost entirely on the total population as the definition of rural. That leaves out other obvious characteristics of a rural area compared to a metropolitan area, including some that might be of use to this Committee as well as to USDA in targeting resources to the areas of greatest need and best opportunity. Every state and territory has areas that are more rural than others, certainly based on total population, but also based on other factors like population density, the presence of natural assets like lakes and forests, whether zoning exists and the types of land uses that are authorized in that zoning, the prominence of production agriculture, as Congressman Costa was explaining, and the role that agriculture plays in the local domestic product and its workforce. There are many, many definitions, among them, whether the community is large enough to get its own share of Community Development Block Grant funds from HUD, or Community Services Block Grant funds from HHS. Once that basic eligibility is determined, though, and the gate opens, both our several statutes and agency regulations do provide additional tools to USDA Rural Development staff for targeting resources, particularly grant funds to communities that have the smallest population and the lowest median income. USDA's Economic Research Service has done extensive work on how to best target resources to rural areas. And I am pleased to tell you that tomorrow they will be releasing an interactive atlas online that will give all of us a handy tool for mapping the characteristics that I have described, and others, that can help us all literally see where rural America is. As the new Census rolls out, that becomes more important. I am sure ERS would be happy to come do a demonstration of their new atlas tool for Subcommittee Members and staff. The need to apply a single nationwide standard in each program, along with the variety of standards that exist under current law--everything from 10,000 in the case of the Water and Waste Disposal program, to no rural area requirement at all in some other cases--has been challenging for Rural Development staff and exasperating for our customers. I can give you examples of these challenges from my past life as State Director for Rural Development in Pennsylvania. I also know many of you can, and some of you already have, given me examples that you are dealing with every day as your constituents call you in frustration. In addition, it would appear that Congress has some frustration around this too. In 2008, the farm bill did give us some authority for what is called the ``rural in character'' exception to recognize that rapidly urbanizing areas may still contain pockets of communities that are essentially still rural in character. This is a start in flexibility but doesn't quite do the whole job. In addition, every year, Members of Congress add general provisions to our appropriations law declaring that for whatever program a certain community that is otherwise not eligible, because its population is over that single nationwide standard, is nonetheless deemed to be rural until the next decennial Census comes out. Of course, that is going to happen between now and when Congress writes the next farm bill. And so we are going to have communities that think they are safe, because they have had a general provision that no longer will be in effect. We will also have communities as the Census data rolls out that have been eligible and won't be anymore. And finally, we will have some communities that have not been eligible, but due to population loss, will become so. I am reminded of the 2000 Census. The City of Harrisburg, which is the state capital of Pennsylvania, dipped below 50,000 population, and for the first time became eligible for the Business and Industry Loan Guarantee program. This opened up the whole of south central Pennsylvania to that program for the first time. We are often asked in Rural Development, why do you have housing and business and energy programs? Why do you do health clinics? There are whole departments of the Federal Government that do these things, so why do you do them too? And the answer we give is that Rural Development has a unique role in the Federal family. We alone have the field structure, 47 state offices, 500 area offices where our staff can work shoulder to shoulder with rural communities to help them identify all of the resources that are out there, ours and other agencies, get them through the application process and help them succeed. Rural Development also plays a somewhat unique role within USDA. We are not unmindful that we do what we do within the Department of Agriculture. I want to congratulate my fellow Pennsylvanian Congressman Thompson for his Subcommittee chairmanship on the conservation side. The definition we have for eligible rural area in business programs includes every place except communities greater than 50,000 and adjacent urbanized areas. What that does is drive us out of the adjacent urbanized areas into open space and farm land. In states that have been experiencing rapid sprawl---- The Chairman. If the gentlelady could bring your remarks to a close, our time has expired. Ms. Cook. Sure. I would be happy to do that. For states that have experienced urban sprawl, that makes it particularly challenging to balance the priorities of USDA. Finally, Mr. Chairman, there are a few instances in which current law does provide the ability to go into urban areas quite directly. That includes the energy title of the farm bill, it includes programs that can benefit food deserts, and it include renewable energy from the Rural Utilities Service both in rural and non-rural areas. And with that, I will stop and address any questions you have. [The prepared statement of Ms. Cook follows:] Prepared Statement of Cheryl Cook, Deputy Under Secretary for Rural Development, U.S. Department of Agriculture, Washington, D.C. Chairman Johnson, Ranking Member Costa and Members of Subcommittee, it is my pleasure to be with you today to discuss one of the most fundamental, and vexing questions we face in USDA Rural Development-- how ``rural'' is defined, and what role rurality should play in how we function on behalf of the U.S. Department of Agriculture. These are fundamental questions for USDA , as we exist to provide economic and community development to overcome obstacles based on rurality. Rural areas have experienced economic stress from long-term poverty and decades of population decline. Federal assistance from USDA is essential to these communities as they often don't have access to private capital markets and have limited access to assistance from other departments in the Federal Government. Moreover, they do not have the total population to support repayment of a bond to finance critical infrastructure needs or their population is so widespread that such a system would be prohibitively expensive. These questions are vexing because, under current law, rurality is used to determine a project's basic eligibility for most of our programs and is defined almost solely in terms of total population thresholds. As a result, a single standard for program eligibility is applied equally in New Jersey and New Mexico, in Alabama and Alaska, in Virginia and the Virgin Islands. Given that each state has the right to determine its own municipal structures, a single standard that may sound simple in theory can be difficult to apply in practice. For example, Congress added language in the 2002 Farm Bill limiting the universe of eligible applicants for the Water and Waste Disposal program of Rural Utilities Service (RUS) and the Community Facilities program of Rural Housing Service (RHS) to ``cities, towns, and unincorporated areas'' whose populations did not exceed the previously established population limits. Such language does not properly account for the variety of local forms of government including townships, boroughs, and other municipalities that in many states describe the very less-populated municipalities those programs are intended to reach. It also overlooks some of the structural uniqueness of several of the original colonies--in the role of a town and the status of a village, for example--dating back to the original Plymouth settlement in the 17th Century. Further, relying almost solely on total population as the definition of rural leaves out other obvious characteristics of a rural area compared to a metropolitan area. Those characteristics might help direct USDA Rural Development's resources to areas of greatest need and opportunity. Every state and territory have areas that are more rural than others, certainly based on total population, but also based on other factors such as population density, the presence of natural assets like lakes and forests, zoning regulations and land uses that might be covered in local ordinances, the prevalence of production agriculture and its infrastructure in the area's gross domestic product and workforce, whether a community qualifies for its own share of Community Development Block Grant funds from the Department of Housing and Urban Development or Community Services Block Grant funds from the Department of Health and Human Services or has to compete for some of the remainder after urban centers have taken their share, and so forth. USDA's Economic Research Service (ERS) has done extensive work on rurality, as have the other witnesses you will hear from today. Much of ERS' work is available on-line through virtual briefing rooms found at http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/. ERS also is about to release a new interactive atlas looking at many characteristics of rural areas. I believe it will be a very useful tool for Congress, USDA, and our private sector partners in rural economic and community development. Mr. Chairman, I'm sure that my colleagues in ERS would gladly do a demonstration of the new atlas for Subcommittee Members and staff. Applying a single standard to determine rural eligibility along with the variety of standards that exist in current law has been challenging for Rural Development staff and exasperating for applicants and lenders. Apparently, it also has been a source of frustration for Members of Congress. In recognition of the problems created by the rural area definitions, the 2008 Farm Bill provided the Under Secretary with limited authority to determine areas that do not meet the rural area definition as ``rural in character'' and thus an eligible rural area. While helpful, this authority has proven far too limited to fix the problems with the current definitions of rural area. In addition, each year Congress adds a series of general provisions to the agriculture appropriations legislation declaring that a certain municipality is deemed to be rural even though its population exceeds the statutory eligibility standard for that program. Given that those general provisions largely expire with the release of new decennial Census data, the timing of today's hearing is even more important. Many communities that have been eligible by reason of a general provision will not be after the new 2010 Census data is released. Further, the Census data will show that other communities no longer are eligible rural areas for certain programs, while still others that have experienced population loss might become eligible for the first time in decades. Now is an incredibly important time to review rurality and begin determining the best way to achieve our shared objectives of helping to create economic opportunities for rural citizens and helping them improve their quality of life. Mr. Chairman, I congratulate you and the other Members of the Committee for digging into these questions now. USDA Rural Development administers over 40 different programs through its three agencies--Rural Utilities Service, Rural Housing Service, and Rural Business-Cooperative Service--delivered through 47 Rural Development state offices and nearly 500 area offices. These programs were authorized by several different laws. A complete set of all of our statutory ``rural area'' definitions is attached to my testimony as Appendix 1. I would like to focus the balance of my testimony today on three of those laws: the Consolidated Farm and Rural Development Act, or CONACT; the Rural Electrification Act; and the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act, which was amended by the Energy title of the 2008 Farm Bill. Section 343(a)(13) of the CONACT defines ``rural'' and ``rural area'' for programs of USDA Rural Development authorized therein, principally business programs and community-based programs. In general, the Act provides a definition of ``rural'' or ``rural area'' that is, ``any area other than--(i) a city or town that has a population of greater than 50,000 inhabitants; and (ii) any urbanized area contiguous and adjacent to a city or town described in clause (i)''. This definition would act as a default definition for new CONACT programs, and is historically the definition applied to the business programs of Rural Business-Cooperative Service (RBCS). The CONACT provides separate definitions for two additional program areas. For the Water and Waste Disposal direct loans, guaranteed loans, and grants of Rural Utilities Service, the Act defines ``rural'' and ``rural area'' as a, ``city, town, or unincorporated area that has a population of not more than 10,000 inhabitants''. For the Community Facilities direct loans, loan guarantees, and grants of Rural Housing Service, the Act defines ``rural'' and ``rural area'' as a, ``city, town, or unincorporated area that has a population of not more than 20,000 inhabitants''. The Rural Electrification Act's definition of eligible ``rural area'' for Rural Utilities Service's electric loan and loan guarantee programs was changed in the 2008 Farm Bill from ``any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any city, village, or borough having a population exceeding 1,500'', to instead align with the Community Facilities program definition in Rural Housing Service, i.e., municipalities with a total population not more than 20,000. However, those Rural Electric Cooperatives which still had an outstanding loan with RUS at the time and had been eligible under the prior definition retained their eligibility--once rural, always rural. With the exception of Section 9007, the Rural Energy for America Program, the portions of Title IX of Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 assigned to Rural Development do not have a statutory requirement that projects be financed in a rural area. Proposed rules nonetheless including a ``rural area'' eligibility requirement comparable to other business programs were published by Rural Business- Cooperative Service (RBCS) for the Biorefinery Assistance Program ( 9003), the Repowering Assistance Program ( 9004), and the Bioenergy Program for Advanced Biofuels ( 9005) on April 16, 2010 with a 60 day public comment period. Our intent was to have these programs mirror other types of business financing programs available from RBCS. Interim final rules for all three programs have been published. Rural Development staff administering these loans, loan guarantees, and grants must