Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 0.16 2.64 I'dliketohavearollcall,Mr.Silvestri. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2.88 0.80 Mr.Ball? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3.68 0.56 Present. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4.32 0.80 Mr.Lewis? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5.12 0.32 Here. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5.52 2.96 Mr.Berquistwillnotbehere,Mr.Arcuri? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 8.48 0.40 Here. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 8.96 0.88 Mr.Stiegel? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 9.84 0.24 Here. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 10.08 0.88 Mr.Atkinson? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 10.96 0.40 Here. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 11.36 0.32 Mrs. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 11.68 0.48 Merrell? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 12.24 0.56 Present. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 12.80 4.24 WilleveryonepleaseriseandjoinusforthePledgeofAllegiance. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 17.04 15.20 IpledgeallegiancetotheflagoftheUnitedStatesofAmerica,andtotheRepublicforwhichitstands,oneNationunderGod,indivisible,withlibertyandjusticeforall. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 33.92 10.08 FirstitemontheagendaistheapprovaloftheminutesofthereorganizationmeetingofJanuary7th,2013. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 45.04 3.60 TherewasonechangeIthink,oronecorrection. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 48.96 9.44 Itwasinthesection8B.Mr.Ball'sproposedresolutionregardingPeter'srequestingachangeinourassignedsenatorialdistrict. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 58.56 3.04 Firstparagraph,thirdlinefromthebottom. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 62.48 7.28 Mr.Ball,Ithink,thesecondwordtownship,shouldbecountyintheendofthesentence. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 71.20 5.04 So,onpage11oftheminutes,I'msorry,neglectedtosaythat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 80.88 1.36 Doyouagree,Mr.Ball? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 82.24 0.48 That'sfine. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 82.72 2.00 Okay,isthatamotion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 84.80 3.28 Imovethattheminutesbeapprovedwiththatonecorrection. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 88.40 1.52 Isthereasecond? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 90.56 1.52 Reluctantly,yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 92.16 3.36 Okay,isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 95.84 4.80 Youallinfavoroftheapprovaloftheminutesandthemotionthatwasmade,say,aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 100.96 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 101.28 1.20 Opposedsaynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 102.72 1.28 Passessix,zero. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 104.00 3.76 Mr.Silvestri,specialreports,dowehaveany? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 107.84 4.16 No.-Okay,thenextitemisaudiencecomments. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 112.16 13.92 Thisisthetimeforanymemberoftheaudience,whosodesires,cangetuphereanddiscussanon-agendaitemforatleast,fornomorethanfiveminutes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 126.48 0.96 Isthereanybody? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 127.52 2.24 Thereyougo,comeonup. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 130.48 4.32 Nameandaddressandyou'reonyourway. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 135.52 4.40 Hi,mynameisEricRoullard,andIliveonBuffaloRidgeRoad. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 140.08 1.68 Doyouneedtheaddressor... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 141.76 0.64 No,that'sfine. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 142.40 9.60 Okay,andI'mheretotalkabouttheredistricting,andwhyitshouldbeimportantforPetersTownship. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 153.04 2.40 Ifyou'venoticed,we're... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 155.44 5.60 Thewayit'sdesignedandthewaytheSenatedistrictisdrawn,otherpeoplehavetalkedaboutit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 161.12 2.08 Essentially,we'retheoddmanout. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 163.28 4.08 MostofthecountyvotinginthisdistrictisAlleghenyCounty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 167.44 0.96 Theyget... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 168.40 3.28 Theydon'tgetmostoftheattention,Ithinktheygetalltheattention. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 172.16 4.72 HowmanytimeshaveIwantedtodosomething,orescalatesomething? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 176.88 5.68 Andit'sveryhardtogetanythingdone,andI'mnotmunicipaloranything. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 182.64 3.68 I'mjustanordinaryguytryingtodosomepoliticalorganizing. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 186.40 9.52 I'msuredemocratshavethesameproblem,wheretheywannagetsomethingdoneandthentheyhavetosometimeappealtoahigherupandtheycan'tgetanythingdone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 196.48 5.20 So,Ithink,ifwewerewiththerestofWashingtonCounty,wecouldgetacountycommissionertohelpus. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 201.76 3.52 Wecangetanothermunicipalitytohelpus. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 205.92 2.56 Wecouldteamupandgetsomethingmoreeffective. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 208.88 9.12 WhenwehavetoteamupwithAlleghenyCounty,theyfigureifwedon'tgetanything,maybetheygetmore,that's... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 218.40 7.84 It'soneofthosegamesthatneedstobeplayedandwehavetofigureoutwherewewanttobe,andwhowewanttobetoteamupwithtogetthingsdone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 226.40 11.52 AndIbelievewewouldgetthatdonebetterifwewereallincludedinWashingtonCounty,andIbelievethat'sthedistrict,Senatedistrict46. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 238.16 4.08 So,Ithink,thatwouldbeagoodmoveforus. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 242.48 1.52 Okay,thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 244.16 0.56 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 245.28 6.80 Isthereanyoneelsefromtheaudiencewhowouldliketotalkaboutanon-agendaitem? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 252.24 2.00 Ma'am. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 258.32 1.12 Goodevening. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 260.00 1.92 Thisismyfirstvisit,soI'mkindofnervous. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 261.92 2.00 So,I'mjustgonnareadoffmypaper,ifyoudon'tmind. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 264.08 1.12 Wouldyoupleasestateyournameandwhereyoulive. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 265.20 0.64 Certainly. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 266.00 3.12 MynameisAngelaCarrier,andIliveonEastHighlandDrive. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 269.12 0.72 Okay,thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 269.84 0.80 Anddon'tbenervous. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 270.64 1.76 I'mverynervous,mykneesareshaking. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 272.40 3.12 Turnthatmicrophonedownsoyoucanspeak--Canyouhearmenow? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 275.60 0.64 That'sgood. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 277.12 1.44 That'sgood. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 280.56 11.52 I'velivedinPetersTownshipsince1999,andmycommentisalsoinregardstoPetersTownshippotentiallymovingfromSenatedistrict37toSenatedistrict46. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 292.32 5.20 IbelievePetersTownshiphasanaffinityforWashingtonCountyandnotAllegheny. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 297.68 5.92 Overthelast14years,I'vewatchedanamazingamountofdevelopmentofsomanyareasinWashingtonCounty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 303.76 4.00 IfeelthatPetersTownshipnolongergoesnorthforallofitsshopping. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 307.92 4.96 Forexample,thisChristmas,notoncedidIgotoSouthHillsVillagetobuygifts. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 312.96 10.00 ThisyearIshoppedinWashingtonatKohl's,Tangeroutlets,ToysRUs,andseveralotherstoresintheNorthStrabaneandtheTrinityPointareaforeverythingIneeded. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 323.20 8.80 MypointisthatIfeelthattherehasbeenacleardividinglinebetweenBethelParkandPetersTownship,andtherestofwhatisconsideredSouthHillsarea. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 332.16 3.20 Especiallyinregardstoshoppingandpersonalfamilyneeds. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 335.52 4.72 WithsomuchgrowthinPetersTownshipandCanonsburg,Ithink,thetwoaremoreblended. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 340.24 2.80 Excuseme,blendedmorenowthaneverbefore. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 343.20 4.88 Idon'tfeelanyaffinityatallwitheitherBethelParkorMountLebanon,forthatmatter. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 348.24 6.72 WhenthepeopleInetworkwithforbusinessaskmewhereIlive,ItellthemPetersTownshipinWashingtonCounty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 355.12 0.80 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 356.08 1.84 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 359.20 3.60 Anyfurtheraudiencecomment? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 364.00 5.44 Seeingnone,we'llmoveontounfinishedbusiness. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 369.84 7.20 ThefirstsectionthereofistheYouthCommission. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 378.64 5.52 There'sfivepotentialopeningsontheYouthCommissionboardtocountnine. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 384.16 10.40 Currentlytherearefourcouncilsinterviewed,Ibelievenineof10people,andthere'sstillonelefttointerview. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 394.56 2.88 Ididn'tknowifyouwanttoactonanyofthemtonight. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 398.80 20.88 Oh,Iknowpersonally,sincethereweresomanycandidates,Ithink,Iwouldappreciatealittlebitmoretimetothinkaboutthatandtoreviewsomeofthedocumentationthattheysupplied. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 420.16 6.40 Iknowit'sinthedocket,butIpersonallythinkIneedalittlebitmoretime,butIdon'tknowhoweverybodyelsefeels. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 426.96 7.12 Mr.Silvestri,whenthegentlemenwhoapplied,butwasn'tabletocometonight,doweknowwhenhemightbeavailablethisweek? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 435.36 5.60 Ithink,hecouldbeavailablebeforethenextmeeting,thebeginningofthenextmeeting. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 443.12 3.44 Doyouthinkthat--Iknowhe'soutoftown,I'mnotsureifhe'soutoftownallweek. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 447.44 1.60 Iwouldliketo... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 449.60 3.76 Firstofall,Iwouldliketointerviewtheotherperson,andthenIwould... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 453.36 8.88 Ithink,mostmembersofCouncilwouldfindithelpfulifwehadasummaryoftheresumesthatwerepresentedtous. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 462.24 2.56 Sowecangobackandrefreshourminds. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 464.80 7.68 Thisisprobablythebiggestfieldthatwe'vehadforanygroupthatweappoint. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 472.48 6.24 Andthefactthatwe'vehadsomanytrulyqualifiedpeople,makesthechoiceveryhard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 479.36 2.00 There'snobodythatwouldn'tbegood. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 481.76 3.60 Wejustneedtofindwhatwethinkarethebestofthem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 486.32 4.40 Please,ifyoudosomesortofsummary,keepthemintheorderthatweinterviewedthem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 491.60 4.00 AndsomeofthesepeoplegobackDecember3rd,soit'sbeenawhile. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 495.60 4.88 Mm.-I'llmovethatwetableanymotionsuntilweinterviewthefinalcandidate. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 500.80 1.04 Isthereasecond? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 502.32 0.48 Second. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 503.28 1.76 Allinfavorofthemotion,say,aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 505.12 0.40 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 505.84 2.80 Opposed,saynay,six-zero. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 509.04 6.96 ThenextappointmentsweneedtoaddressaretheZoningHearingBoard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 516.64 1.76 Yes,we'retryingto... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 518.40 12.96 There'sacouple,Imean,CouncilhadquestionsaboutattendanceandwespokewithMr.Federline,thechairman,andhesentahistoryofattendance. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 533.76 4.88 Theyhavenothadmanymeetingsinthelastcoupleofyears,wheretherewasatleastthreeboardmembers. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 538.64 3.04 So,theydidhavetoappointahearingofficer. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 543.44 8.48 WedidcontactMs.Noble,she'scurrentlyanalternateandiswillingtobeafullmember. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 552.24 15.20 Mr.Zephrohasaskedifsomeonereplaceshim,hewouldliketoresigncausehisworkschedulemadeitdifficultthroughthisupcomingyeartoattendmeetings. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 568.24 3.28 Mr.FerranandMr.Dicksonwouldbothliketoattend. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 571.68 5.36 Wedoneedtochangesomeofthetermdatessothatitconformswiththeordinance. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 577.04 4.96 Weneverdidgetitallstraightenedout,wewentfromthreetofivemembers. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 583.04 0.40 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 583.52 4.96 AfterIreadyourdissertation,Iwasnotsurewehaditstraightenedoutyet,Michael. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 588.72 1.84 No,Ithinkwewould--Idon'tthinkso. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 590.56 4.40 IfwehaveitthewayIproposeitasfarasterms. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 596.08 8.40 Yeah,IreadwhatMr.SilvestrirecommendedandIwouldmakeanalternaterecommendation. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 606.08 13.44 IthinkthatMs.Noble,whohasagreedtocomeonboardasaregularmembershouldbeappointedforthepositionthatexpiresin2017. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 620.72 1.68 Iwouldmakeamotionforthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 622.40 2.80 Doyouwannadothemallseparately,Mr.Chairman? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 626.56 2.08 Idon'thaveapreference. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 629.60 3.04 Whynotmakeittheonethatexpiresin2018? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 632.72 1.76 Istheresomereasonwhy? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 635.12 8.24 Well,Iwasgoingtorecommendthatweadvertiseforanewappointee,whowouldstartthisyearandhavehisfive,hisorherfiveyeartermendin2018. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 643.36 5.60 Uh.Didyoumakeamotion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 649.12 6.32 I'dliketomakeamotionthatwereclassifyStacyNobletoaregularmemberwiththetermtoexpire2017. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 655.52 1.04 Isecondit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 658.08 1.68 Wehaveasecond. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 660.08 2.24 Wehaveamotionandtwoseconds. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 663.76 1.92 Isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 666.88 13.76 Tothepointoforder,Ithink,youprobablywouldaccepttheresignationofMr.Zephrofirst,sothatatleastthenthere'salreadyavacancyontheboard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 681.60 2.80 Okay,sowewannamakethatmotion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 685.04 9.36 ImovethatweacceptMr.Zephro'sresignationassoonaswefindanalternateregularmember,andaskthatheserveuntilthattime. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 694.72 1.84 I'llsecondit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 696.56 4.32 Wehaveamotioninthe--I'mnottoosurethat'swhatMr.Silvestriwasasking. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 701.12 3.60 Ithoughtyouwantedtoaccepthisresignation. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 704.72 6.40 AndI'lldefertoMr.Johnson,butImeanrightnow,Iguesswe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 711.12 6.56 WeneedtodeterminewhatthestatusofMr.FarronandMr.Dicksonisbeforeanybodycanbeappointed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 717.76 2.32 Well,letmethenstartfromthebeginning. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 720.24 9.44 ImovethatweappointMr.Dicksontoatermasanalternatethroughtheyear2014,withthetermexpiring2014. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 729.84 4.88 Mr.Dicksonwouldbecomingoffofthecommitteeastheregularmember. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 737.52 1.68 Whydon'tItellyouthewholedeal? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 739.20 1.28 Yeah,dothewholedeal. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 740.56 2.16 Well,I'myouknow,I'mrealconfusednow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 742.96 7.28 Mr.Dickson,Iwouldsuggest,becomeanalternatebasedonhisattendance,andhistermwouldexpire2014. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 750.24 5.52 Mr.Farronwouldstayasaregularmemberwithatermthatexpired2014. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 756.24 6.80 IwouldsuggestthatweaskedMr.Federlineifwecouldrevisehistermtoend2015. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 763.28 4.48 WehaveMr.Stasicas2016already,andthatwouldstaythesame. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 767.84 13.52 AndthenStacyNobelwouldbecomearegularmemberwithatermthatended2017,andwewouldsearchforanotherfull-timeregularmembertoreplaceMr.Zephorowhenhecan. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 781.60 5.20 Oncewefindareplacement,thenhewouldresign. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 788.40 3.12 Areyouonboard,Mr.Silvestri? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 791.92 0.88 Idon't... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 792.80 3.04 I'mnotsureIknowwhetherthatworksornot. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 795.84 0.72 So,Mr... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 796.56 2.40 AsIassess,Mr.Zephrowantsoff? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 799.36 0.72 Correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 800.24 4.08 Okay,andhowmanypeopledowehaveontherenow? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 804.48 2.40 Forgetaboutthealternates,justregularpeople. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 807.04 0.48 Five. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 807.68 4.72 Five,soifwetakehimoff,we'llstillhaveenoughtoconductbusiness,right? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 813.44 0.40 Correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 813.84 3.28 Allright,sowhydon'twejustaccepthisresignationwithregrets? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 817.12 7.28 Well,thequestionwasabout,thereasonthisallcameupandwedidn'treappointlastmeetingwasabouttheattendance. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 826.48 1.20 Well,Imean,Idon't... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 827.68 5.28 Iunderstandthat,butImean,ifMr.Zephrowantstoresign,thenIthink,weshouldlethimresign. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 833.28 3.68 Thatwouldbethefirstorderofbusiness. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 837.20 8.08 Allright,andthen,we'llhaveaslottofillandlet'sfillitwithMs.Noble,andthengofromthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 845.36 1.92 Unlessthatdoesn'tsoundlogical. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 847.36 4.32 Idon'tknow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 852.72 0.96 Worksforme. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 853.68 4.48 Well,I'mgonnamakeamotionthatwealreadyhaveamotiononthefloorandasecond. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 858.48 3.44 Wehavetwomotionsonthefloor,though. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 863.60 2.00 Canweaskthe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 865.92 4.88 Right,well,let'smovetowithdrawthepreviousmotionsandstartover? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 871.76 4.08 Iwithdrawmymotionsanddefertothechairmantomakeamotion. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 875.84 6.48 Okay,I'mgonnamakeamotionthatweacceptMr.Zephro'sresignationwithregrets. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 882.64 0.64 Second. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 883.44 2.00 Okay,isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 885.68 2.72 Okay,allinfavor,sayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 888.40 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 888.72 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 889.04 0.48 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 889.52 1.44 Allopposed,saynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 891.12 1.68 Okay,thatpassessix,zero. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 893.20 11.68 Okay,nowI'mgonnamakethemotionthatweappointMs.Nobleto,is... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 905.20 2.96 TotheZoningHearingBoardandnot,nolongerbeanalternate. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 908.16 1.92 She'sanalternatenow,correct? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 910.16 16.16 Okay,andshewouldfillout,Iguess,Mr.Zephro'stermthrough2015,January,2015. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 926.96 2.00 Okay,doesthatsoundright? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 929.04 0.64 Second. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 929.68 1.28 Okay,isthereany... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 930.96 3.20 So,wehaveamotionandasecond,dowehaveanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 935.12 6.64 WejuststillnotreallyaddressingtheconcernthatMr.Silvestrihadwiththeproperstaggeringtermsthatfollowed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 942.80 1.28 Well,ifyoudo... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 944.08 2.00 Okay,okay,Iseewhatyoumean,okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 946.08 11.60 Ifyoudolikenow,ifyouappointMs.Nobleto2015,itstillgivesyoutheoptionofcorrectingtherestofthem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 958.16 7.12 Yeah,butIknowit'sjustnot2015inyourstaggeringlanguage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 967.12 1.20 No.That'strue. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 968.56 1.12 That'strue,correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 969.68 0.88 Dowehavea... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 970.56 1.84 Wehavea14. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 972.96 2.64 Well,Jethro'sa15,Jethro'sa15. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 975.84 1.92 Wehavetoreplacehim,shouldbe2015. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 977.92 1.44 Okay,thatworks. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 979.36 1.20 Thatworks,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 980.64 2.96 Okay,sowehaveamotionandasecond. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 983.92 1.76 Arethereanyfurtherdiscussions? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 986.00 1.60 Allinfavor,sayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 988.08 0.56 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 988.80 1.60 Allopposed,saynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 990.48 3.60 So,thatpassessix,zero. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 994.56 6.00 Now,ifanybodywantstomakeamotionwithrespecttothe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1000.56 3.76 Dickson,orFarron,orIguess,whoelseisleftthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1004.40 3.20 I'dsuggestwejustleavethosethewaytheyareforthetimebeing. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1007.76 3.60 Well,untilwefigureout,Iguess,somebodyisupthoughinJanuary,right? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1011.44 7.04 Actually,technicallyrightnow,bothMr.FarronandMr.Dickson'stermsareup. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1018.64 1.28 So,theywouldneedto... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1019.92 3.12 Youhavetwodatesnowthatareavailable,the7th. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1023.12 6.08 TheonethatwouldenterinJanuary,2017andthen,January,2018. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1032.16 2.64 Butdoweknowwhethertheywannastayon,or? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1034.88 1.52 Farrondoes,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1036.56 7.20 ThenIwouldmovethatwereappointMr.Farrontothe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1043.76 2.48 SecondwehaveFarronandDickson. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1046.32 0.64 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1046.96 4.08 Mr.Farrontothetermexpiring2018. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1051.12 3.52 Mr.Dicksontothetermexpiring2017. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1055.04 5.36 So,thatgivesus14,15,16,17,18. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1060.64 0.72 Well,waitaminute. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1061.36 0.40 Whatabout13? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1061.76 1.44 Thisis13. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1064.32 4.96 Thisis13,January13. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1070.32 3.28 We'reon15,okayexpiring. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1074.24 1.92 So,wehaveamotion,isthereasecond? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1076.16 2.24 Wouldyourepeatyourmotion,Mr.Ball? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1078.72 1.52 It'savery. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1080.48 0.72 Yeah,well. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1081.84 5.20 ImovethatweappointMr.Farrontothetermexpiringin2018. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1087.12 5.12 Mr.Dicksontothetermexpiringin2017. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1092.96 3.28 So,wehaveamotion,dowehaveasecond? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1097.60 0.48 Second. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1098.16 2.88 Okay,isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1102.24 2.48 Allinfavorofthemotionthensay,aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1104.80 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1105.28 1.44 Andallopposedsaynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1106.80 0.48 Nay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1107.28 2.16 Okay,sothat'sfive,one. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1110.08 2.64 So,isthatnowfilled,or... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1112.80 2.24 Butwe'restillshortone,aren'twe? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1115.68 4.88 Youfilledthefullmembers,butthere'sanopportunityforalternate. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1120.64 2.72 Right,okay,butwedon'tknowwhomaybeinterestedinthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1123.44 1.92 We'readvertising. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1125.44 5.04 Okay,soweshouldadvertiseandthenwe'lltrytofillthose,butokay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1130.64 3.44 Weshouldcongratulateourselvesonthemostcomplicatedappointmentyet. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1134.24 0.72 Iknow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1135.44 3.84 NextistheParksandRecreationBoard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1139.76 7.92 WewerewaitingfortheSchoolDistricttocomebackwithadecisiononMrs. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1147.76 4.56 Schwarhaus,andtheboarddidtableaction. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1152.64 12.08 IspokewithMr.Valdic,hissecretary,andtheyseemtobe,Ithink,somewhatconfusedastowhattheirrolewasandtheterms. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1164.72 3.04 Theonethingtheywereaskingwasifthereis... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1167.76 6.72 Butcurrently,thewayit'sstructuredisthere'soneschoolboardrecommendationsinoneyearandtwoinanother. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1174.56 6.96 AndthereasonthathappenedwaswhenCouncilexpandedthesizeoftheboard,theygavethedistricttwoadditionalrecommendations. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1181.52 1.60 So,theybothcameinthatyear. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1183.20 7.28 They'dliketoseeifit'soneeachyearsotheycouldhavewinduptovoteoneveryyear. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1190.56 1.44 Andthentheywere... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1192.00 3.36 Theyweren'tsure,theinteractionwiththeboard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1195.36 3.04 So,Ithink,there'salotofconfusiongoingonbecausethere's... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1198.40 1.76 Therewassomuchchangeinpersonnel. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1200.16 3.92 I'mnotsurewhatthey'reasking. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1204.16 1.84 Whattheywouldbelookingtodo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1206.16 8.16 So,rightnowtheschoolboardhasnotmadearecommendationonthatposition. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1214.32 0.16 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1214.48 5.68 Okay,sowehavetowaittohearfromthembeforewecanapprovetheirappointment. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1220.32 0.56 Correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1220.96 5.92 Andthenthere'ssomeissueabout,theywannastaggerthemnowinsteadofoneandtwo,theywantoneone-on-one. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1227.20 0.48 Right. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1228.08 2.88 Okay,well,Iguess,theball'sintheircourtthen. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1231.28 0.56 Correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1231.92 0.48 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1232.40 7.12 AndthenCounciltabledactiononMrs. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1239.60 5.28 Chevellesappointmentandaskedustoadvertise. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1244.88 3.12 Andwehaveacoupleofcandidates. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1248.00 0.40 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1248.40 4.64 Wewannainterview. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1254.24 8.96 Well,whenIwastheonewhomadethatmotion,becauseIwantedtotrytoseeifwecouldhavesomevarietyasfarasdiversityandrepresentationrightnow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1263.28 5.20 Thoughmostofthepeopleontheboardhavesomeassociationwithsportsassociations. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1268.56 1.92 AndIwashopingasidefromMrs. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1270.48 12.16 Schwarhaus,whonowissortofinlimboalso,washopingthatwewouldgetsomepeoplewhowouldrepresentsomeoftheotherresidentialusersoftherecreationalfacilities. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1282.64 10.64 EndoftheParkandRec--TheParkandRec'sBoard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1293.28 0.96 Ijustwanted... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1294.24 1.36 Myname'sMelissaSigman. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1295.60 1.60 I'montheParksandRecBoard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1297.36 4.32 IliveonFiresideDriveandIjustwantedtomakeacorrectiontothatstatement. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1301.84 3.04 Idon'thaveanychildrenthatareinyouthsports. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1304.96 1.92 Ihaven'tforsixyears. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1307.76 2.72 Andmykidsplayedinlotsofdifferentsports. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1310.72 5.68 Ihadvaryinglevelsofjuststandingonthesideline,beingaparent. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1316.88 8.72 So,Ithink,yourrepresentationthatMs.Schwarhausistheonlypersonwhohasnoaffiliationtotheyouthsportsassociationsisincorrect. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1325.76 8.24 Infact,Ithink,acoupleofothermembersnolongerareonboardsofthesportsassociationsinwhichtheirchildrenparticipate. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1334.40 5.12 AndJoeMaysisalsonotonayouthsportsboardofanykind. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1340.00 2.72 WhyIappreciateyoucorrectingthatforme,thankyou,Melissa. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1342.72 3.68 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1349.52 5.68 So,howmanyapplicationsfortheParkandRecBoarddowehavebesidesMs.Chevelles? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1356.80 0.56 Two. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1357.60 0.48 Two. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1358.08 4.72 So,whydon'twejustinterviewthosetwopeopleandthengofromthere? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1363.28 2.32 ThisisthattheirSchoolBoardinterview. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1365.60 0.48 Wow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1366.40 2.24 Infact,theseareSchoolBoardappointments,right? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1368.64 5.36 No.-Ithinkthisis--OneisCouncil,oneisourSchoolBoard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1374.24 5.52 So,wehavepotentiallythreepeoplethatyouwouldconsiderforouroneappointment. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1379.76 4.16 Andyoudon'tknowwheretheSchoolDistrict'sgoingwhichisanotherevil. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1383.92 4.40 Ishouldn'thavesaidthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1389.04 3.52 Whatwouldprobablybeanothertopicforameeting,Mr.Lewis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1392.56 2.08 Yeah,ifthatisonehalf. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1395.76 3.36 Ican'tanswertothat,Iknowsomeofthepeopledid. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1399.12 9.76 Okay,sowe'retabling,Iguess,anyactionontheSchoolBoard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1409.28 1.28 Right,you'regonnahaveto. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1410.72 6.16 Andonoursuntilwecanappoint,tillwecaninterviewpersonnelcandidates. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1421.28 10.72 Ijustwantedtomakeitclearthatthere'salittlenoteinherethatMs.Chevellesisuncertainastowhyshewasnotappointed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1432.48 8.00 Itwasn'tanything,atleastinmymindthatitwaspersonal,orsomethingthatshedidordidn'tdo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1440.80 19.28 Ijustthinkthatoverthelastyearorso,we'vehaddiscussionsdirectlyandindirectlyinrespecttovariousissuesthathavecomebeforeusabouttheparkandcertainprogramsthatshouldbethere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1460.08 11.92 Andcertainactivitiesthatmaybearen'ttraditionalsportingtypesituationsthatwewantedtotrytoaddress. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1472.00 7.04 AndIjustthinkthathappenstancesisthatthatissuegotraisedinregardstothisappointment. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1479.04 8.00 AndIdon'tknowabouttheothermembers,butIcouldspeakformyselfthatIwouldhavenoproblemwhatsoeverreappointingher. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1487.20 7.92 ButIthinkthatgiventhosediscussions,andthefactthatthisissuewasraised,thatit'dprobablybeagoodideatoatleastinterviewacoupleofcandidates. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1495.12 8.32 Andwemayendupjustbackatsquareoneanyway,butandthatwouldbefine,butIdon'twanthertotakeitthewrongway. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1503.52 3.20 It'snothingpersonalabouther,somethingshedidordidnotdo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1506.80 7.28 Well,Ithink,atleastinmymind,Ithinkit'snicetohavealistofpeopleinourbackpocketincasesomebodydoesneedtostepdown. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1514.16 4.00 So,wehavealistofpeoplethatweknowwe'reinterestedinfillinginallthoseroles. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1518.16 4.64 Right,Ipersonallydidn'tthinkattempt,attackonMrs. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1523.28 1.20 Chevellesatall. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1524.88 2.96 Moresojustseeingwhat'soutthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1528.32 3.12 Okay,allright,movingon. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1532.40 4.72 Iguess,we'reintonewbusiness,that'stheconsentagenda. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1538.32 9.52 Thepurposeoftheconsentagendaistoimprovetheefficiencyofourmeetingsandtoavoidhavingpeoplewaitforitemsthatapparentlyrequirelittle,ornodiscussion. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1548.08 2.48 Thesewillbeactedwithonemotion. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1550.64 7.04 AnyitemcanbetakenoffthisagendaandactedseparatelyifanyCouncilmember,oraudiencememberdesires. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1557.84 9.44 Theitemsontheconsentagendaareone,exoneratePaulLauerandtheGeorgiataxservice2012leanedrealestatetax. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1567.36 6.24 AllunpaidtaxeshavebeenleanedwiththeWashingtonCountyTaxClaimBureauasrequiredbystatelaw. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1573.76 12.16 Two,approvalofresolution010213,approvingthedestructionofobsoleterecordsinaccordancewiththePennsylvaniaRecordsRetentionAct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1586.08 9.92 Andthree,approvalofresolution010413,amendingthepolicepensionplantoeliminatethekilledinserviceprovision. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1596.32 6.08 Confirmingactiontakenin2010asthestatenowprovidesforthisbenefit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1602.88 3.68 Ifanyone... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1606.72 2.96 Doesanyoneherewishtoremoveanitem? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1609.84 5.84 Ifso,we'llhandlethatitemattheendofnewbusiness. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1616.08 4.80 Ifnot,thenIwillentertainamotiontoapprovetheconsentagenda. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1620.88 2.48 I'llmakeamotiontoimprovetheconsentagenda. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1623.52 0.32 Second. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1623.84 0.40 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1624.40 6.08 Myonlycommentwouldbeastheresolutionyouannouncedfornumbertwo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1630.64 1.28 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1632.48 2.80 Mr.Silvestri's--Thatshouldbeonthree,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1635.28 0.48 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1636.08 2.80 Well,itshouldbea10313. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1638.88 3.28 Well,that'snotwhatitsaysonthispieceofpaper,butthat'sokay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1642.96 1.20 We'lldealwiththatamendment. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1644.72 2.64 Iwillmakethemotiontomakethatcorrection. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1647.52 1.76 Itakeitthere'sa--Imeanttosecond. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1649.44 0.96 Second,okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1650.48 1.84 Isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1652.72 2.80 Okay,allinfavoroftheconsentagenda,sayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1655.68 0.40 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1656.32 1.28 Opposedsaynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1657.84 2.72 Passessix,zeroMr.Silvestri. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1661.12 8.16 NextitemisParkandRecreationBoardupdatereport,andwehaveasuitcominguptoit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1670.72 2.32 Goodevening,mynameisJoeMays. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1673.04 4.88 Iliveat251TeepeeRoad,andI'mamemberoftheParksandRecreationBoard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1678.00 7.20 I'dliketothankCouncilfortheopportunitytopresentourquarterlyreportforOctober,November,andDecember. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1685.76 17.20 WhatI'vefound,I'vebeenonalotofdifferentboardswiththeSchoolDistrict,andalsowithWPL.ButI'vefoundthatthisRecreationBoardthathasbeentogetherforquiteafewyears,almosteveryoneofushavebeenthereformorethanoneterm,hasworkedverywelltogether. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1702.96 5.20 Andwehavealotofconfidenceinourrecreationdirector,MicheleHarmel. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1708.16 4.96 Infact,wesentalettertotheCouncilindicatingoursupportandwhatagreatjobshedoes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1713.20 4.16 Notonlyher,butBeckyandtherestofthestaff. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1717.52 3.12 So,we'revery,verysupportiveofthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1720.72 8.16 Wealsorealizewhatourroleisasboardmembersandjustprovidinginput,andrealizingthatshe'sinchargeoftheprogram. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1729.28 3.68 We'vebeenverybusythisentireyear,2012. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1733.04 16.40 AndduringthemonthofOctober,thetennishearttruecourtrenovationprojectwascompleted,andthebubblewasinstalledonceagainforourtownshipresidentsinterestedintennistobeabletousethatduringthewintermonths. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1750.64 13.84 Wealsometwithoneoftheassociations,andwe'reverypleasedattheWrestlingAssociationwithanewpresidenthasreallydoneanoutstandingjobofthingsthatMicheleneededtocontinuetheirprogram. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1765.04 7.28 TheBoardalsodiscussedandapprovedanewflagpolicy,aflagpolepolicyfortheParksandRecreationdepartment. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1772.40 8.00 Andwehadaboostergroupofracketeersproposedtobuyumbrellasandprovideshadeforspectatorsonthehillsideatthetennisbubble. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1780.40 3.68 InNovember,wealsohadanotherproposalfrom... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1784.08 3.84 Toplanttreesatthetenniscentertoserveasawindbarrier. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1788.16 6.56 Andthereweresomeadjustmentsthatweresuggestedbyourmaintenancesupervisor,andtheprojectwasapproved. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1795.12 6.96 We'repleasedthatthefitnesstrailequipment'sarrivedandtheyareworkingonthatduringthewintermonthsinthespring. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1802.08 7.92 Andthenitlookslikethat'sgonnabeabletobeusedduringthelaterinthespringforourresidents. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1810.16 8.00 AndoneoftheissueswedidhavetodealwiththatIthink,cametoyoualsowastheuseofspikesonfieldfive. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1818.24 1.84 Andagain,weaddressedthatissue. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1820.40 2.48 We'velistenedtoallthegroupsthatwereconcerned. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1822.88 6.00 WemadearecommendationtoCounciltoprohibittheuseofthosespikesonfieldfive,withthatartificialturf. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1829.76 9.52 Wealsohaddiscussionsabouthavinganothersportsassociatedboarddinner,andthathasbeenestablishedasthedateofTuesday,February19th. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1839.60 17.12 InDecember,again,theycontinuedtoworkonthefitnesstrail,andalsotheFootballAssociationmadeaproposaltobuildanadditionalstorageupatHofbauerFieldandtheParksandRecreationBoardapprovedthatbuildingaspresented. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1857.20 14.80 Oneoftheotherthingswespentalotoftimeonlastyear,whichIthinkisacriticalcomponentoftherecreationalprogramsisthisvolunteercoachesandhowtheycangettheircriminalhistorychecksandtheirchildabuseclearances. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1872.08 4.24 Michelehasdoneanoutstandingjobthroughouttheyearofgettingthatintoplace. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1876.32 2.48 AndIthink,it'smadeiteasierforourvolunteers. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1878.88 5.92 Andmoreimportantly,ithas,Ibelieve,ishelpingtoprotectthekidsinvolvedinourprograms. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1885.04 6.48 Theotherthingthathappenedthispastfallwasfieldfive,theopeningofthatcomplex. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1891.52 7.12 Andagain,ifyou'vebeenupthere,it'squiteimpressivetoseethenumberofkidsandfamiliesthatarethereintheevening. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1898.96 9.28 Also,ourboard,Ithink,wouldliketocomplimentMicheleandtheathleticdirectorattheSchoolDistrict,astheycontinuetoimproveofthesharingoffacilities. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1908.32 5.04 IthinkthathelpsnotonlytheSchoolDistrict'sactivities,butalso,thecommunityactivities. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1913.36 2.64 Beingabletosharethosefacilities. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1916.16 4.96 Lastyear,IkindoftookyouonabicycletripandI'dliketotrytomentionthatagain. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1921.20 5.28 OneofthethingsthatIdointhefallandalsointhespring,inthesummerisrideArrowheadTrail. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1926.48 1.92 AndIthinkthat'sthejewelofthetownship. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1928.80 6.96 Givesusanopportunity,ifyouevergothroughthatarea,youseeallagegroupsdoingalltypesofhealthyactivities. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1935.92 10.80 Butnow,withthenewsectionoftheparkbeingopenedup,Iaskallofyoutomaybeasagroup,orevenindividualsrideabike,takeawalkupthroughthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1946.80 5.76 Causeinthespringtime,ifyoucomeupthetrail,youseethesoftballkidsinthespringthesummer. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1952.64 13.36 Youseetheminthefall,andthenallofasudden,youmakethatturn,youcomeuptothefieldfiveandtherearehundredsofkids,allageswithparentsandgrandparentswatchingpracticesandgames. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1966.08 2.64 ThenyoumakearightandyougopastHofbauerField. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1968.72 3.52 Inthefall,youseethefootballandthecheerleaders. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1972.48 7.36 Inthespring,youseethelacrosse,thenyougopasttheotherfieldbythe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1979.84 3.44 Letmesee,therestroomsandthen,Ithinkfieldthree,fourwecallit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1983.36 4.88 Andnowyouseetheusageofbaseball,softballusingthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1988.24 2.96 Inthefall,youseeagainthefootballplayers. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1991.28 7.92 Ifyoumakearoundaturnrightabovethereccenter,youlookdowntothebaseballfields,andyouseethosefieldsbeingused. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 1999.20 4.88 Andthenthefieldnexttothereccenteralso,youalsoseethatfieldbeingusedbysoftball,baseball. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2004.08 8.64 ButeverytimeIgopastthereonabicycle,orifI'mwalking,IhaveafeelingofpridethatIhaveasmallpartasbeingamemberoftheRecBoard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2012.80 14.24 ButIalsowannacomplimentyoucausemanyofyouhavebeenhereformany,manyyears,andwithyourforesightandMr.Silvestri'sleadership,youhaveprovidedoutstandingfacilitiesandprogramsforthecommunitymembers. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2027.12 3.44 AndIjustthinkit'sgonnacontinuetoget... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2030.56 5.52 It'sgonnagetbetter,butagain,withoutyourleadership,thesethingswouldn'thappenfortheresidents,orourcommunity. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2036.16 2.88 Thanksverymuchforgivingmetheopportunitytosaythat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2039.04 0.40 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2039.44 0.40 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2039.84 2.40 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2043.92 11.76 Iguess,thenextitemontheundernewbusinessisarequestbytheJuniorFootballAssociationtoconstructabuildingatHofbauerField. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2056.64 6.24 ThisisthisasMr.Maysaid,thiswasapprovedbytheParkandRecreationBoard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2063.04 6.24 AndnowbeforeCounciltodetermineifthere'sanyissueswithit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2069.36 9.20 IfCouncil'sfounditacceptable,wewouldenterintoourstandardfacilityimprovementagreement. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2081.44 4.72 Canyoureiteratewhatthestandardfacilityagreementinvolvesfor? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2086.24 2.64 Well,basically--Associationinthetownship. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2089.04 8.96 Itsetsthetermsthatthefacilityonceconstructedisownedbythetownship. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2098.80 10.32 Providesforrequirementsforinsurances,andthattheassociationisauthorizedtodothework. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2110.56 7.12 Idon'thaveitwithmerightnow,butit'ssomethingweworkedupwithMr.Johnson,weusedwhenwedidtheoriginalbuildingthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2117.68 16.32 Aswellasotherrecreationassociationforotherprojects,butthekeyisthatoncethebuildingisconstructed,it'sownedbythetownshipandwewouldberesponsibleforit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2134.96 3.04 Imight'vemissedit,Michael,whatisitproposedcosttothisthing? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2138.00 1.04 Anyonesaying? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2139.76 5.04 Thecostisjustunder$25,000that'sbeingproposed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2144.80 3.04 WeassessedthenumbersthatwereceivedfromtheFootballAssociation. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2148.00 5.76 TherearerepresentativesfromtheFootballAssociationhereat--What'sourstandardagreementsidethattheyhavetotakecareofit,orwhat? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2155.04 2.72 No,itbecomesthetownship'sproperty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2157.76 2.40 Imean,they'reusingit,butit's... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2160.64 4.16 Wewouldberesponsibleforthebuildingonceit'sconstructedandthenit'sour... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2164.80 1.60 It'saCouncilfacility. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2166.40 14.08 Andwe'regonnahavesomebodylookatthoseplans,andmakesurethatthey'restructurally--Theplanswerealreadyreviewedbythebuildinginspectors,andareinapositionforapermittobeissuedifCouncilapprovesit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2181.04 2.40 Didourtownshipengineerlookatit? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2184.00 1.44 No,hewouldn'tlookatthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2185.76 1.04 Whynot? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2187.36 2.72 Reviewingthoseplans,andImeanthat'sabuildinginspectorissue. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2190.08 1.76 AndIdon'tlookatanyhouseplans,oranythinglikethat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2191.84 2.24 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2196.32 2.32 Whatdidtheoriginalonecost? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2199.44 1.04 Idon'tknowtheandouts. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2200.48 7.84 Idon'tknowifsomeonefromthefootballcananswerthat,or--Actually,yeah,I'mfromfootballandIhavenoideawhattheoriginalcostwas. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2208.56 3.68 ItwasbuiltbeforeIlookedintothat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2214.32 2.16 Ihavetwoquestionsaboutit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2217.12 7.20 Thedesignshowsanexistingdeck,andisthatconnectingthetwobuildings,orareyou... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2224.40 1.84 Canyouwalkunderneaththat? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2226.48 1.68 Isthatwhattheproposalis? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2228.72 1.84 Yes,therewillbespaceunderneaththat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2230.64 8.56 Okay,sothesafetyrequirementsfor--There'salreadyawalkon-Liketheexistingbuilding,ifImoveoverhere,theexistingbuildingishere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2239.52 2.32 Thedeckisabove,there'sagaragedoorhere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2241.84 3.68 So,that'salready,andit'salllikeaslabunderneath. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2245.52 2.64 So,it'salreadybeingwalkedundercurrently. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2248.96 5.68 IntheminutesoftheParkandRecCommittee,orboardmeeting,thereapparentlyweresomeobjections. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2254.72 3.20 Whatweretheobjectionstotheconstructionofthis? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2259.44 2.16 Iwasn'tatthatParksandRecmeeting. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2261.60 2.80 Itwasapparentlybyaparent. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2264.40 6.88 Yes,I'mawareofanobjection,butwevotedasanorganization14totwotopassthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2271.28 1.92 So,thereweretwopeoplethatwereopposed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2273.36 0.48 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2273.84 8.08 ItsaysintheminutesfromthepriorthingwejustdiscussedthattherewasaparentfromtheFootballAssociationtoexpresshisconcern. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2282.08 1.60 Hefeltthemoneycouldbebetter... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2283.68 2.40 Tobetterservethechildreninotherways. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2286.40 0.80 Isthatathing--Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2287.20 0.32 Yeah,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2287.52 7.68 So,hisproposalwastoputthatmoneytowardsturfingthefield,which25,000isalongwayfrom... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2295.20 4.56 So,prettymuchamilliondollarsofturfalmost. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2300.08 1.52 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2301.60 1.04 Thatwasprettymuchit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2302.64 8.00 Whereyougoingtoshow? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2311.28 0.64 Igot... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2311.92 6.16 Ihaveaquestion,dothestructuresthatwebuilt,thattheybuilt,thatwe'reultimatelyresponsiblefor. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2318.24 4.40 Didtheyhavetobehandicappedaccessible,orsomethinglikethat? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2322.64 10.00 CauseImeanthat,itlookslikethere'sjuststepsgoinginthere,andImean,Idon'twannagetinasituationwherewedothisandthensomebodycomplainsthattheycan'tgetuptherecausethey'rehandicapped. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2332.72 4.96 Wedidaddressthatandbecauseofthesquarefootage,itisnotrequired,no. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2338.56 3.44 WedidaddressthatwiththebuildinginspectorwhenImetwithhim. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2342.00 1.84 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2345.36 3.84 Whatarethedimensionsofthis,thesebuildings? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2351.68 7.28 You'vegotanelevationthere,there'snoplanshere,andI'llgetoffthatcake,butthere'sjustnotalotofinformationhere,that'smypoint. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2359.20 3.92 It's10footby... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2363.44 0.40 25. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2364.00 2.48 By20well,24,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2367.52 1.60 240squarefeet. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2369.20 0.32 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2369.60 1.68 Thousanddollarsasquarefoot. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2371.44 0.24 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2371.68 1.04 Thinkaboutit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2373.60 0.80 Thinkaboutit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2374.48 1.68 It'satwostorybuilding. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2376.48 0.48 Pardon. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2377.04 1.12 It'stwostories. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2378.24 4.00 So,itwasproposedforstorage--$1,000asquarefoot. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2382.32 1.92 Correct,it'sforadditionalstorage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2384.32 2.08 Weare... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2386.48 2.40 Currentlywearetappedoutofstorage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2388.96 8.00 Welostsomespacewheneverthelightswentintherebecausethere'ssomegatesthathavethatareablockedoffcurrently. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2397.20 4.56 Andweusedtostoresomestuffonaroute88storage,andwegavethatup. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2401.84 4.32 Itwasjustimpracticalfromcommunitymembers,likemyselfandstuff. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2406.24 7.28 Togetallthewayfromthere,tocarrypadsandequipmentdowntheretostorewhenwecanjustkeepthemrightthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2413.92 10.32 AndthepresidentoftheFootballAssociationindicatedatourmeeting,thatheiscurrentlystoringagooddealofequipmentandsuppliesinhisofficeathome. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2424.24 3.28 Andhesayshe'snotalwaysgoingtohavethatavailable,so. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2427.76 5.76 Look,I'mnotopposedtoit,andIdon'twannabeanobstructionist,butIjustthinkthisisaridiculouslyhighprice. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2433.52 5.04 AndIdon'tknowwhatyou'vedoneinthewayofcheckingforalternatebids,butthat'salotofmoneyforthatstructure. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2438.56 2.64 That'sthewholepointIwastryingtomake,alotofmoney. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2441.36 1.76 Haveyougotanyotherbids? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2443.28 9.12 AndI'mnotsuggesting,I'mnottellingyouhowtospendyourmoneyeither,butIjustthinkit'syourmaybetakinganeasywayouthereandoughttobelookingatsomethingelse. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2454.08 2.08 It'sactually$100asquarefoot. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2456.16 0.72 It'snot1,000. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2456.88 0.88 said1,000. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2457.84 2.48 No,it's100he'ssaying. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2460.64 0.40 100. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2461.68 1.12 Howmanysquarefeet? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2462.96 1.20 240. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2464.88 1.28 Yeah,butit'stwofloors. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2466.24 1.44 Twofloors. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2468.32 2.32 Whateverthatis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2470.72 2.16 Allright,okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2474.32 1.36 Allright. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2475.76 0.72 That'sallright. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2476.56 1.36 Ifeelbetter. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2478.72 2.88 That'syouronemistakeinhere,thatputsyou--It'sallaboutbeing... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2481.60 2.48 It'sallaboutfeelinggood. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2485.20 2.16 Anyotherquestionsforus? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2487.52 3.12 Anybodyhaveanyquestions? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2491.60 2.24 Anybodywannamakeamotion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2494.16 5.12 Well,thisisbeingdonewithouttheexpenditureoftownshipfunds,it'slikenotclear,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2499.28 0.40 Correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2499.92 2.48 Idon'tknowthatitwouldhavebeenthateverybodywhowaslistening. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2502.40 1.92 No,I'mnotopposedtoit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2505.12 0.80 Whatdoyouneed,Mike? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2505.92 1.76 Amotiontoconcurwithus? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2507.68 0.88 I'mgladIdid. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2508.56 7.52 Imovethatweconcurwiththeprojectsubjecttotheexecutionofthestandardfacilityagreement. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2517.12 0.88 Isthereasecond? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2518.00 4.08 Also,canwehaveamotionandasecond,isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2522.32 2.64 Allinfavorofthemotion,say,aye-Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2524.96 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2525.36 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2525.68 1.20 Opposedsaynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2527.20 2.96 Passessix,zeroMr.Silvestri. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2530.80 1.36 Let'ssee. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2532.64 1.84 You'reinthehotseatinthenextone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2534.56 4.16 ThenextoneisaspecialpermitrequestbySaintBenedict. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2538.72 4.88 Theyhaveachurchformultiplesignsfortheirmulti-weekfishfry. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2544.16 6.40 I'mnotsurethatIhadmadeacoupleofphonecallsintothepersonrequestingit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2550.64 2.88 AndI'mnotsureifhe'saroundornot,buthe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2553.52 1.28 Idon'tseehimherethisevening. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2554.80 17.52 Idon'tknowifyouwanttotablethisuntilhehasanopportunitytobehere,Ithink--Ifweweretotableit,Ithink,weneedtodiscouragetheconceptofallthesemultiplesigns,andsuggestthathecomebackwithatleastamorereasonableproposition. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2572.64 1.36 Wheredoeshewantthemtobe? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2574.00 2.24 Causeit's-Didhetellus? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2576.40 10.80 Yeah,it'sinhisletter,Orintheattachment,Iguess. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2588.24 5.44 There's10locations. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2594.72 2.32 Irememberlastyear,didn'twehavea... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2597.04 3.52 Therewasoneuptherenearcenterchurch,andwehadtotellthemtomove. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2602.32 2.08 Wehavethissamediscussioneveryyear. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2604.80 4.00 Well,nah,thisisthefirsttimeSt.Benshascameinandaskedforthem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2608.80 2.00 Oh,thereyougo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2611.76 0.96 Excuseme. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2612.88 3.04 Wealwayshavethesamediscussion,thistimeit'sjustbeforehand. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2615.92 0.48 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2616.72 2.56 Well,IwouldagreewithMr.Lewis'point. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2619.36 11.52 Ithinkthatthere'sdefinitelysignagetheycoulduse,buttheideaofputtingalotofsignsonitinpublicareasiskindofnot... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2630.96 0.80 Notthepoint. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2631.76 9.20 Andifwebegintomaketoobigofagesturetoallowingthis,I'mnotsureitwouldn'tencourageotherpeopletodothesame. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2641.68 2.88 Willhebeabletocomebacktothenext? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2644.88 3.12 Yeah,thefishfrydoesn'tstartuntilthe16th,Ibelieve. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2651.36 5.52 I'msurethey'reattheentrancesignson19. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2657.60 1.44 Thatwouldbearealbaddeal. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2659.04 5.84 Yeah,someofthesearen'treallyobjectionable,atleastinmymind. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2666.32 0.64 Right,there... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2666.96 4.00 Imean,hecertainlycouldaskfortheBridgeandtheValleyBrookBridge. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2671.04 0.32 Allright. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2671.52 1.36 Notattimes,perhaps. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2673.04 4.48 No,Ireallydon'thaveaproblemwithwhatthey'vedonewiththeirresistantchurchsign. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2677.52 0.72 Imean,it'sthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2678.24 2.96 Iftheywannaputabannerinfrontofit,Imean--Right. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2681.28 3.44 Imean,it'sforagoodcause. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2687.28 4.72 Whydon'twejusttableit,andthenmaybetheycancomeinandprovidealittlebitmore? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2692.40 8.48 Maybetheycannarrowtheselocationsdowntosomethingthat'salittlebitmorepalatabletotheboard,theCouncil. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2700.88 3.60 Youwannamotiontotable,I'llmakeamotiontotableifthat'swhatyou'reafter. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2704.96 0.80 Second. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2706.32 1.76 Wehaveamotionandasecond. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2708.32 1.28 Allinfavor,sayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2709.68 0.40 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2710.08 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2710.40 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2710.72 1.12 Opposedsaynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2711.84 2.32 Okay,passessix,zero. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2716.96 7.84 NextoneisfinalplanofAnthonyFarmsplanoflodgeparcelplanforPeter'sTownshiplandCompany. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2724.88 3.92 OndrawingbyJr.GaleandAssociaterevised. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2728.88 5.04 ThedaterevisedonJanuary3rd,2013. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2734.00 8.72 Yeah,Iwasgonnasay,whichoneareyou? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2742.72 2.08 I'mgonnaexplainthisbriefly. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2745.20 9.92 PTLandCompany,developersoftheAnthonyFarmsplanalongwiththeStanleyBAnthonyEstateorfinalists,AnthonyFarmsparcelplan. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2755.20 7.44 It'ssimplyparcelingoffandsplittingparcel300thatwascreatedwhenphaseonewasrecorded. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2762.88 3.68 It'ssplittingthisparcel300intotwopieces. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2767.28 13.44 Thispiecehere,parcel308willbepurchasedbyPTLandCompanyfromtheAnthonyEstate,anditwillbeconsumedbyphasetwolotsandpublicimprovements. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2781.20 14.48 Theplan,inadditiontoparcelingoffparcel300,itestablishesallthenecessaryeasementsandrightsofwaytofacilitatephasetwofrombeingconstructed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2796.08 8.88 It'ssimplyaplanthatparcelsoffthepropertythatPTLandCompanyispurchasingfromtheAnthonyEstate. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2805.12 19.20 PlanningCommissiondidreviewthisattheJanuary10meeting,andapproved,recommendedCouncilapproveitsubjecttofiveconditions,allofwhichhavebeenaddressed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2824.32 4.72 So,thisisbasicallyafinancialagreementbecausethey'rebuyingitinpieces. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2829.36 0.48 Correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2829.92 3.28 Okay,soithastobesubdividedsotheycanbuythenextpiece. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2833.20 0.72 Correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2834.24 21.44 ImovethatweapprovetherequestfordivisionoftheAnthonyFarmsparcel300A,SAA--ThatIhaveaquestiononthatparcel300B,that'sforanticipated,it'sforthenextphase. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2855.76 0.56 Correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2856.48 4.64 Ifthatdidn'tdevelop,thatlot,thatwouldnotbelandlocked,oranythinglikethat,right? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2861.20 1.12 No,itwouldnot. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2862.32 0.64 No,itdoesn't. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2862.96 2.96 Ithink,ithasfrontageontwopublicstreets. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2865.92 5.04 Allright,sowehaveamotionandasecond,isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2871.28 2.08 Allinfavorofthemotion,sayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2873.52 0.80 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2874.32 1.44 Allopposed,saynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2875.84 2.72 Itpassessix,zero. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2879.84 7.04 I'dliketoaskthechairtoconsiderchangingtheagendaheretodealwiththeoff-premisesign. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2886.88 6.08 There'sanumberofpeopleintheaudiencethatareheretodealwithitthatIthink,we'llaccommodatethem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2893.36 1.76 Ihavenoproblemdoingthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2895.28 17.20 IthinkweshouldgetthroughthisFthough,whichisthefinalpointifwewantto-No,weoughttogettofirstpart,Ithink,Ihavenoproblemjumpingaroundtodothat,but--I'msorry,Ithoughtwealreadyconcluded--ThenextitemisthefinalplanoftheAnthonyFarmsplanoflotsphasetwo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2913.12 7.28 PetersTownshipLandCompanyondrawingsGaleandAssociatesrevisedtheonein17,2013. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2921.36 2.00 Thisisareapprovalofthisplan. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2923.44 5.12 CouncildidapprovethisplanbackinApril,2012. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2929.04 7.68 Theplandidnotgetrecordedwithinthe90daysforreasonsmaybePTLandCompanycanexplain. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2937.44 5.68 It'ssimplyre-approvingtheplanthatwasapprovedbackinApril,it's20lots. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2943.20 2.64 Allthelotsarehalf-acreplus. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2946.48 3.84 All18ofthe20lotsusea50footbuildingline. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2950.48 3.36 Councildidapprovetwolotswitha40footbuildinglots. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2954.00 3.92 Lots219and220,Ithinkaretheoneswiththe40foot--Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2958.00 1.84 They'reoffinthecorner,Irememberthem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2960.40 9.12 Alltheotheraspectsoftheplan,dedicationofopenspace,whatwilloccurinphasetwo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2969.76 4.56 There'stwostormwatermanagementfacilitiesthatwillbededicatedtoPeter'sTownship. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2974.48 3.92 Alltherunofffromphasetwogetsdirectedtothosetwofacilities. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2978.64 7.68 There'llbeatrafficimpactfeepaidforeachoneoftheselots,1,100perlotatthetimeofbuildingpermitapproval. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2986.48 8.80 PlanningCommissiondidrecommendtheplanbeapprovedbackinMarchof2012,subjectto18conditions. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 2995.84 4.64 Someofwhichhadbeencompleted,someofwhichhavenotbeencompleted. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3001.92 3.20 Imove,were-approvetheplan. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3005.60 1.36 Isthereasecond? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3006.96 1.28 I'llsecondit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3008.24 1.60 Isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3010.00 2.00 I'djustlikeaclarification. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3012.88 9.04 TherewasaquestiononwhetherornotthedeveloperwasgoingtoattempttosolicitfromPenndot,theabilityforaleftturnin. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3022.16 3.60 Oh,yes,KimGale'sfromJr.GalesandAssociates. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3025.76 1.68 Yeswedid,andweweredenied. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3027.52 1.92 Okay,sothat'scompletelyoffthetable. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3029.44 1.84 It'soffthetable,it'srightinandrightout. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3031.36 5.44 Oneotherquestion,andI'mgonnakeepaskingthisabouttheopenspaceindifferentdevelopments. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3037.68 9.04 Theopenspace,hastherebeenadiscussionaboutwhatthat'sgoingtobe,oristhatbasicallythescrubarea,withreallynousefulpurpose? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3047.60 9.52 Iguess,rightnow,currentlytheonlyopenspaceisbackinhere,longphaseone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3057.28 3.84 Mm-hmm,isanyofitusable? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3061.28 1.84 Theopen--It'swalkable. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3063.12 0.64 Walkable. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3063.76 0.96 It'swalkable. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3064.72 4.96 Theopenspaceinthisplanprovidesabufferbetweenexistingneighborhoodsandthenewneighborhood. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3069.76 1.36 It'snotjustscrub. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3071.20 2.32 Itprovidesanecessarybuffer. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3073.84 1.20 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3075.84 2.32 Isthereanyothercommentorquestion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3078.24 2.48 ShehadtheonequestionIdidaboutthe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3080.72 4.64 Doesthis--Doestheplanproviderightin,rightout? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3085.36 0.24 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3085.60 1.92 Okay,thenthat'swhatwe'reapproving. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3087.60 0.40 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3088.08 3.92 Okay,sowehaveamotionandsecond,isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3092.32 2.40 Seeingnone,allinfavorofthemotionsayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3094.72 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3095.04 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3095.36 1.52 Allopposed,saynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3097.12 1.36 Passessix,zero. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3098.48 0.80 Thankyouverymuch. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3099.44 1.20 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3101.52 28.80 Ithink,unlessmyotherCouncilmembershaveanydifferentopinion,IbelievethatMr.Lewis,hissuggestionthatwejumpedontoitemsevenundercorrespondencetoaddresstheattorneyHaynesistheArlecchino,Arlecchinooffpremisesign. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3130.40 4.16 Ifwecould,thatmightsavesometime. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3135.60 1.76 Mr.Haynes,howareyou,sir? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3137.36 1.60 I'mfine,Sir,andyou? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3139.44 0.88 Good. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3140.96 6.40 Mr.Chairman,I'veaddressedalettertoyoubackinApril,thebeginningofMay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3147.60 10.08 AdiscussionwashadwithCouncilaboutasign,whichwasaskedtobeplacedonpropertybyArlecchino's. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3158.32 10.08 Upuntilthetimethatthatsignwasplaced,therehadbeensignsfortheschoolhouseandArlecchinohadsimplyputthesignonthemselves. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3168.64 4.88 Upuntilthattime,therewasarentalsituationwithit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3174.32 4.16 Therehasbeennoagreementtoanysortofrent. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3179.04 6.40 TheCouncildecidedatthatpointtoallowthemtoputatemporarysignup. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3185.52 4.40 Andthatwasintendedtobeforaperiodofapproximatelysixmonths. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3190.24 5.36 Thesixmonthshavelongpassed,theywouldhavepassedinNovember,orDecember. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3195.68 11.84 AndwehavegivennoticetoCouncilaswellasnoticetotheattorneyforArlecchino'sthatweintendtoremovethesignatthispoint. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3207.68 18.24 ImmediatelyfollowingtheconstructionofthesignonMay3rdof2012,Ididaddressalettertothemrequestingthattheyenterintonegotiationsastotheplacementofthesign. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3226.64 9.76 Theyhavehadanadditionalsevenoreightmonthsinordertospeak,orenterintonegotiationsandnothinghasbeendone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3236.88 7.76 Thisissimplyasituationwheretheyapparentlyfeelthattheycantakethespaceandusethespace. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3245.04 3.68 Togobackwards,thispropertyhasbeenowned. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3249.04 10.88 Thispropertynexttoithasbeenownedforaperiodofatleast60yearsbyMr.Harbison,andhispredecessor,Mr.Niedemeyer. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3260.24 10.72 Theyhaveusedthisandinfact,CouncilPeter'sTownshiphasaddressedthemandaskedthemtomaintainthatpropertyonoccasion,whichtheyhavedone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3271.12 7.36 Theyhaveclearedit,theyhaveconstructedonit,andhavecompletelytreateditastheirown. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3279.12 19.68 Atthispoint,wehavesimplycometoCounciltoadvisethatwearenotgoingtoallowthesigntoremainthereatthispoint,withoutsomesortofcompensationforthesign,oradirectorderfromCounciltellingusthatwehaveto. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3298.80 9.84 Doesyourclientownthatproperty,orasyou'reclaimingit'sbyadverse--Atthispoint,itappearswe'reclaimingitbyadversepossession. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3308.64 1.28 Irememberwhenitwasherebefore. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3310.00 1.76 Itwasunclearastowholike... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3311.92 0.64 Itwaslike... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3312.56 5.20 ThelastrecordownerisapersonbythenameofRobertRoche. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3318.16 4.00 Mr.Rocheownedalargepieceofpropertythere,whichwassplitoff. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3322.24 7.20 Healsoownedthreeorfourpropertiesontheothersideoftheroad,theothersideof19th. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3330.48 6.96 Anditappearsthatthispiecewasaleftoverpieceafterseveralsubdivisions. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3338.08 9.20 Itisasmallpiecethatsitsrightinthejointureoftheroad,anddoesnotappearthatithaseverbeendeededout. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3347.60 19.04 IhavedoneextensivesearchtothepointofIhavepulledallthetaxbooksclearbackintothe1880sforWashingtonCountytoseeifthispiecehaseverbeenactuallypossessedbyanybodyotherthanRobertRoche. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3366.72 2.08 AndIcannotfindanything. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3369.04 16.24 Hisnameappearsonfourdifferentsurveysoftheproperty,butitappearsjusttohavebeenrepeatedeachtime,okaybythesurveyor,andjustaddedtoit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3385.28 1.20 It'snotbeingassessed? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3386.56 0.88 Isitbeingassessed? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3387.44 1.84 Idon'tthinkthatit'sbeingassessed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3389.44 6.00 WhatIactuallythoughtatsomepointwasthatthetownshipmayhavetakenthis,butwehavechecked. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3395.44 16.16 Andit'snotbecauseofthefactthatthatisamajorintersection,andthatthetownshipprobablyatsomepointuseditfortheconstruction,eitherof19,orold19asitwere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3411.76 10.08 ButacheckwithroadsfortheCouncilshowsno,thattheydon'thaveaclaimtoitofanysorteither. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3422.00 21.84 So,wehavemaintainedthispropertyatleast60years,andweintendtoactlikewearetheowneroftheproperty,whichMr.ArcuriandMr.Johnson,ofcourse,willtellyouisnecessaryforouradverseclaim. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3445.76 9.36 Mr.Haynes,lookingatyourletterofJanuary2nd,itmakesreferencetothefactofownershipeitherbyactualdeed,orbypossession. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3455.12 3.20 Butyourpositionnowisit'sbyadversepossession. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3458.32 4.64 Correct,I'venotbeenabletofindanythingthatactuallydeedsit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3463.04 14.40 AsIsaid,atonepoint,Mr.Rocheownedthisproperty,heownedclearovertohere,andthenrealityafterdoingthereviewofthesurveys,Mr.Harbisonactuallyownsoverintohere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3477.68 2.00 So,there'snorecordownerofthatproperty? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3479.68 2.00 Thereisnorecordownerofthisproperty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3481.76 4.00 Hasnotbeensinceatleast1920. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3485.84 9.92 Andtackingyourclient'spossessionandcontroloftheproperty,alongwiththeirpredecessors,it'smorethan60years--It'sinexcessof60years. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3496.16 9.12 Therehasbeennobodyuseaclaim,orpaytaxesonthepropertyforaperiodofatleastthe60years. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3505.52 1.04 Mr.Haynes? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3506.56 0.40 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3507.04 4.88 YousaythattheyHarbison'suseandmaintaintheproperty,whatdotheyuseitfor? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3512.32 10.96 Well,theyhaveuseditonoccasionforstoragevehicles,buttheyaretheonesthathavebeenrequiredtokeepitcut,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3523.92 2.80 TheCouncil's--Itseemsprettysteep,that'swhyIwasasking. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3526.72 3.68 Icouldn'tseehowitwould--No,itissteepinhere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3530.88 5.04 IntheactualportionofthepropertythatisHarbison's,it'sverysteeprighthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3535.92 0.64 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3536.64 1.84 ButthisisHarbison'sproperty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3538.48 1.20 Right,Iunderstandthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3539.68 6.48 Okay,they'vecomeacrossandagain,thisisamuchflatterarea,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3546.40 6.00 Andtheyhavemaintained,theyhavekeptthatcutdownfor60years. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3552.64 3.12 Mr.Harbisondoesn'tusethatforhisownsignage,doeshe? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3555.76 2.08 Idon'tremembereverseeinganything. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3557.84 2.40 No.-Hello,Mr.Harbison. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3560.24 7.76 MikeHarbison,oursignageisrightbehindourbuildingon19. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3568.80 2.24 Actually,ifImay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3571.76 1.28 Rightthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3575.04 1.52 Youcanactuallyseetheshadowoverit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3576.56 0.64 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3577.20 1.52 That'sitrightthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3579.76 16.48 Furthermore,intermsofthequestionastoArlecchinoandraisinganobjection,orputtingasign,thereisabsolutelynowaythattheyhaveanyclaimtothis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3597.28 6.64 Underanadversepossessionquestion,thequestionwouldbe,whoelsemighthaveabetterclaimthanus? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3604.16 3.84 Whoelsemighthavedonesomethingtomaintaintheproperty? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3608.24 5.92 Theyofcourse,areclearoffinthisarea. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3614.24 6.48 Andthere'sabsolutelynowaythattheirrightscomedowntothere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3620.80 5.68 Theydonothaveanytypeofachainoftitlerighttotheproperty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3626.64 9.44 Iunderstand,myrecollectionfromthediscussionwasthattheclassroom,thesignfortheclassroom,whichwasthepriorrestauranthadbeenthereforyears. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3636.32 1.76 Butthatwasunderalease. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3638.40 6.72 I'mnot--TheywerepayingaleasetoMr.Harbison,whichactuallyacknowledgeshispossession. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3645.20 2.40 Doesthatdocument-Doesthatdocumentexist? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3648.00 0.88 Iamassumingitdoes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3648.88 0.80 Asalease. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3649.92 2.16 Mydaddoeshaveasignedagreement. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3652.32 0.40 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3652.72 1.60 Idon'thavethatwithmerightnow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3654.56 4.72 So,whenthepropertywastransferred,thatjustwasomittedfromanyconversation,isthatwhathappened? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3659.36 2.88 Thatthenewownersoftherestaurantdidn'trealizethe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3662.24 1.36 Imean--Thearrangement. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3664.00 1.04 Idon'tknow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3665.04 8.24 Ican'tpossiblytellyouwhatwentonbetweenArlecchinoandtheschoolhouse--Ithinkwe'reabout-Yeah,okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3673.52 4.64 IwasjustgonnaaskyouifyouheardfromMr.Cayman,butIguess,you'veheardfromsomebodyelse. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3678.40 7.28 Well,IamactuallyhereonMr.Caymaninstead,heunfortunatelyhadapriorobligationthisevening,So,wasnotabletoattend. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3685.68 9.92 MynameisRyanWoods,soI'manattorneywiththelawfirm,Goldberg,CaymanandGarvin,andthen,toaddressalotoftheissuesthathadjustbeenraisedbyMr.Harbison'scounsel. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3695.84 10.00 Webelieve,andwe'reinthepositionthattheyhavezerorights,title,interestatallintheproperty,inthearea,inwhereoursignislocated. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3706.00 11.44 Andfurthermore,webelievethatwewouldhaverightstothispropertyforitscontinuedusageoverthepast,Ibelieveit'salmost30yearsorsothatthissignhasexistedthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3717.44 6.40 AndIdohaveacoupleofdocumentsthatI'dliketopassout,orifCouncilwouldpreferthatIjustutilize... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3723.84 0.56 Passthemout. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3724.40 0.72 Yeah,allright. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3725.28 1.36 It'salwaysbettertolookatthem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3726.80 1.28 Thatwasmythoughtaswell. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3728.08 2.32 Ifyoudon'tmindpassingthisdown,thankyouverymuch. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3732.16 7.28 ItmightbegoodtohaveoneforDonand--Itmightbegoodtohaveoneformetoo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3739.52 0.48 Thereyougo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3740.00 8.88 Atthisdeskwe'resittingnexttoone-Ithinktherewas--There'smore--ThisisthefirstI'veheardprobablyinthefivemonths. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3749.76 3.84 ThefirstpicturethatIhaveincluded,andIcanwaittillthosegetdown. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3753.60 1.28 Doeseveryonehaveacopy? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3754.96 0.88 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3755.84 5.84 Thisisjustapictureof--Thisisapicture,exactlyright,thatwasjustplaceduptherefor... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3762.00 2.48 Depictingexactlywhatwe'relookingathere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3764.56 3.44 AsshownthisisCampLaneRoad,thisisMr.Arbison'sproperty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3768.00 4.40 Andhissign'sactuallylocatedupinthisnorthern... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3772.80 6.88 isactuallyoutsideofthistriangle,locatedinthisareathat'sacrossthestreet,andit'slocatedthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3780.08 6.32 ThesecondpicturethatI'veincluded,thisgoesbackintheirchainoftitleofMr.Harbison. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3786.40 6.16 AndthiswasasurveythatwaspreparedforthepropertythatwasinJanuary27th,in1964. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3792.88 13.36 Ifyoulookatthewaythispropertyis,thiswasalsojustrecentlyconfirmedbyMr.Harbison'scounsel,whereitcomestothelowerportion,thatisactuallyontheothersideofroute19there,whichhehadjustshownontheprioroverhead. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3806.40 12.64 Butifyoulookatthispictureinconjunctionwiththefirstactualoverheadaerialview,youcanseethatwherethepropertycomesover,thelineisactuallybrushing,abrushlinerunswelltothenorth. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3819.28 2.48 Thatwouldactuallybetheeastlookingatthe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3821.76 4.96 Thenorthdesignationhere,wherethesign,thesignageislocatedat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3826.72 6.64 Andifyoulookhere,runactuallycomesthroughthepropertythatwe'relocatedon,welloutsideofthattoo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3833.36 6.16 It'swelloutsideofthesurveyareaofthepropertythatisactuallynowcurrentlyownedbyMr.Harbison. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3839.68 17.20 ThenextdocumentIincludedinhereaswellistheactualdeed,whichitwasinApril,of1994,whichwas,whichnowgavetitletoMr.Harbison,includedinhere,andexplainedistheactualpropertythat'sincludedwithinthatsurveyitself. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3856.88 1.36 Itdoesnotincludeanyofthisland. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3858.24 6.40 So,noneofthiswasactuallytraded,providedtohim,whichwouldberequiredbyadeedinordertohaveadversepossession. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3864.64 3.28 Youactuallyhavetoconveythatpropertyunderbeliefthatitisyours. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3868.00 2.08 Thatisnotincludedwithinthisdeeditself. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3870.08 0.88 So,thereforetherewas... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3870.96 2.40 There'sno--Excuseme. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3873.36 1.28 Idoubt... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3874.72 2.00 Lethimhavehissay,Mr.Haynes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3876.80 4.72 AndIwouldalsojustliketogoontothelastdocumentthatwehavethere,12. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3881.60 2.88 ThiswasactuallypreparedforHarbisonaudit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3884.48 3.68 ThiswasdatedFebruary25th,1994. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3888.16 3.44 Andthen,itwasrevisedonMay5th,of1994. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3891.68 9.52 Andagain,thisistheexactsamesurveythatwasincludedinthe19,the1964surveys,exactlythesame. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3901.20 8.32 Again,depictingthesameproperty,andonceagain,moreimportantly,excludingthepropertythathe'snowclaiminghemayhavebyadversepossession. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3909.52 2.00 Again,thisishisownadmission. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3911.52 3.44 In1994,providingthatthisisnothisproperty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3915.04 6.80 Andfurthermore,thatthepropertythat'slocatedwithinthatsurveyitself,iswhatheactuallyowns. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3923.92 11.36 Webelieveinfurthermore,inregardstothediscussionofadversepossession,thisisnottheproperformat,forumtodeterminewhetherornottheymayormaynotownthisbyadversepossession. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3935.84 3.28 Thiswouldactuallyhavetobesomethingthatwouldbeadjudicatedanddeterminedbyacourtoflaw. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3939.12 13.76 Hecannot,thiscannotbeadjudicatedbyCouncilitselftodeterminewhetherornothehasthisbyadversepossession,whetherhe'smetallofthekeyelementsfortackingandfurthermore,thenecessaryrequirements. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3952.88 5.20 So,Idon'tbelievethatheactuallyhasstandingtoraisetheissuewhether,ornotwehavethesignhereornot. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3958.48 1.68 MayIinterruptforasecond? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3960.24 0.32 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3960.80 0.96 Well,no,just... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3961.76 0.72 Justto... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3962.48 2.96 Goahead,Michael. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3965.60 1.52 Refreshyourmemory. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3967.20 18.16 WhenthiscametoCouncillastyear,alotoftheseargumentswerebeingmadeandtherewasatleast,theyseemedlikeitwasthepotentialofanagreement,oranunderstandingthatwouldbemade. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 3985.36 17.92 AndwhatCouncildidbysettingsixmonthstimeperiod,toallowthesignthattherewaseitherforsomeconclusive,someconclusionbysomegroup,eitherthemselvesorthecourttodeterminewhoownedtheproperty,orforsomeagreementtooccur. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4003.52 12.32 Ourpositionis,orourresponsibilityis,whensomeonewantstoputadirectionalsignonacornerproperty,theyhavetohavepermissionfromtheowner. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4016.48 5.28 Asthestaff,wecouldnotconfirmyes,orno,whoownedtheproperty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4021.92 11.04 So,thewholeideawasforCouncil,whetherCouncilhadwastoallowsometimeforittogetworkedout,ortobedetermineddefinitively,andintheinterim,thesignwillbekept. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4033.12 0.80 Andthat'swherewewere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4033.92 13.20 Iremember,andIalsoremember,ifI'mnotmistakenthatinthepast,thepermissionfromthatsignwasfromHarbisonforthe--Harbison,orNiedermeyer,oneofthetwo,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4047.12 0.48 Oneofthetwo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4047.68 1.04 Right,that'strue. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4048.72 8.16 ButImean,IknowMr.Hayneswasalljumpingupanddown,andIunderstandwhatyou'resaying,andIagreewithyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4056.88 2.88 Youdon'tneedadeedforadversepossession. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4060.00 9.52 Andquitefrankly,Imean,thissurveyshowswhatheactuallyasked,butitdoesn'tshowwhathetook,whathemayormaynothavetakenbyadversepossession. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4069.60 1.76 Didyoufileastatementofclaim? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4071.44 1.52 No.-Okay,areyougoingto? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4072.96 0.72 Absolutely. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4073.68 6.88 Okay,thebottomlineisasIseethisandImightbewrong,butwedon'treallyhaveastakeinthis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4080.80 4.80 That'sright,butMr.Silvestri,it'swhatwecallthebackground. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4085.68 5.92 Wedon'tintend,Councilloaded,wedon'thavetheauthoritytoadjudicatethetitleofthisproperty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4092.56 2.24 Mr.Arcuri'salsoright,we'renotthe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4094.80 3.52 Thetitleofthispropertyisnotnecessarilylimitedtothesurvey. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4098.32 6.08 Ifitwasclearinthesurvey,wewouldn'thavethis,wewouldn'tbeinthereatallwithrespecttoadversepossessionclaims. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4104.40 10.96 Butthis,thesignfromitwasawardedtemporarilybecausewedidn't--Well,ImadethemotionandIdiditwastomaintainthestatusquountilwecouldgetmoreinformation. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4115.36 1.92 Imean,itdoesn'tlooklikeweweregonnagetanymoreinformation. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4117.28 10.88 AndIthink,properlyso,becauseitwasasadisputethatweassumedwasgonnaberesolvedbetweenthepropertyowners,whichapparentlyhasn'toccurredatthispoint. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4128.72 4.08 Imean,Ithink,youguysjustdowhatyouwannado. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4132.80 7.04 Imean,itseemstomethatifyouthinkthatyouownthepropertyandyou'regonnatakethesigndown,that'sgonnaforcethisintocourt,andyouguyscan... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4139.84 8.32 Ifyoucan'tcometoanamicableresolutionofit,thensomejudgewillcomewithanamicabledecision. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4148.16 5.84 Imean,I--Sinceyou'vetakenuptime,Ijustwantedanotherquestionasfarasthediscussion. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4154.32 2.48 Hastherebeenadiscussionofpayingalease? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4156.80 1.68 Isthereaproblemwiththenumber? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4158.48 2.08 Isthereaproblemwiththeconcept? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4161.20 2.80 Ihadnotbeeninvolvedinany,anyofthosepriordiscussions. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4164.00 3.04 ItwouldhavebeenJonathanCaymanfrommyofficethatwouldhavehadthosediscussions. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4167.44 8.56 I'mnotsurewherethatis,maybehecanshed--Itseemslikesomethingthatshouldbeabletobeamiablycollated. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4176.24 9.04 Again,onMaythe3rd,Iaddressedtothemalettersaying,"Let'sresolvethismatter. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4185.84 9.76 Wefeelthatweownit,yourpreviouspersonpaid$300permonthinordertobehere,timehaspassed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4195.76 5.12 Itshouldbe350,"whichofcourse,that'scallednegotiation. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4200.96 0.48 $350? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4202.00 1.20 Permonth. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4203.36 2.24 Permonthtoo,yeah,signedthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4205.76 0.56 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4206.48 3.04 Iknowit'scallednegotiation,butthat... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4209.60 2.16 Thatseemslikealotforalittlesign. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4211.92 6.96 Again,Iagree,butthepriorsign,whichwasmoreextensive,okay--Well,Iunderstandthat,andthatwastakendown. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4218.96 9.68 Thatwastakendown,thatwas300,andwewereuptheassumptiontobehonest,thatifsomethingwasworkedout,maybeamorepermanentsignwasgoingtogoup. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4228.64 0.56 Oh,okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4229.20 12.16 Okay,understandingthattheyprobablyalsodidnotwanttoinvestawholebunchofmoneyinasignwhentherewasapossibilitythattheyweregoingtolose,orweweregoingtocutitdown. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4242.08 12.72 ButatthispointIhavereceivedabsolutelynoresponsetonegotiations,notsomuchasaphonecallatallfromMr.Cayman. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4254.96 4.48 Well,itseemstomethattheeconomicsoftheissueoughttobe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4259.44 2.88 Itwouldhavetoberesolvedin--Yeah,Imean,that's... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4262.40 2.08 You'regonnaspendalotmoremoney. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4264.64 1.92 Whichyou'realreadydoingonattorneys. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4266.56 0.72 Well,Idunno. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4267.28 2.00 Well,that'sagoodthing. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4270.24 6.16 It'salwaysagoodthingfortheattorneys,butImean,there'sgottabesomegiveandtakehere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4276.40 4.48 AndImean,there'sanotherstreetthataccessesthatrestaurantrightuptheblock. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4280.96 3.68 Imean,theycanmaybegetasignoffofthatpropertyowner. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4284.88 9.36 So,yougottaworry,350amonthasopposedtozeroamonth,andI--Well,rightnow,we'regettingzeroamonth,so. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4294.32 1.52 Well,andIunderstandthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4295.92 11.04 Imean,theequity'sjust--Ireallythink,Imean,Counciltriedtofacilitatearesolutionsometimeagobysayingfine,putthesignupforsixmonths. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4307.28 3.04 Thathasn'tworked,apparently. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4311.04 3.04 Ithink,atthispoint,we'reprettymuchoutofit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4314.40 8.72 Imean,it'sbetweenyou,betweenthetwopartiesandtome,dowhatyouneedtodo,andhopefullyitgetsresolved. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4323.68 1.36 Iabsolutelyagree. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4325.20 2.80 Ireallysenttheletterasacourtesy. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4328.08 6.40 Okay,sinceyouhadbeenniceenoughtomediateatleastalittlebitthelasttime. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4334.48 10.32 Butthediscussion,sir,wasthatwerecognizeinthisinstanceandinmanyotherinstancesaroundthetownship,theneedofabusinesstoadvertisetheirbusiness. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4344.88 5.52 Andwerecognizethatthatparticularbusinessisnotexactlyrighton19. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4350.48 8.40 So,havingsomedirectionalsignwouldbeadvantageousandtrytofacilitateit,andthat'sreallyaboutallthatwecando. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4358.88 2.88 Imean,Idon'tseeanythingelsethatCouncilcando. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4361.76 10.32 Imeanatthispoint,Ithink,weneedtohanditbacktoyouandsay,pleaseresolveitbetweenyourselves,orsomecourtwillresolveit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4372.56 7.04 Absolutely,asIsaid,andIsenttheletterbecauseitwasactuallyathankyoutotheCouncilforhavingtriedbefore. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4379.60 4.96 AndIthoughtitwasacourtesythatIshouldadvisethatthisiswhereitwasproceeding. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4385.36 2.40 Ithinkyouguys--Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4387.84 1.28 Youguyscanworkitout,I'msure. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4389.12 1.60 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4391.84 10.96 Allright,we'regonnagobacktoundernewbusiness,itemG,awardbidsforliabilityandcasualtyinsurancecoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4403.20 20.48 Okay,wewentoutandsolicitedproposalsforinsurancebidsandMarieMurphy,ariskconsultants,riskresourceswasourconsultanttohandlethisproject,andsheishere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4424.32 6.48 IwouldpointoutthatMariehassaidourcurrentcarrierisnotrenewingourcoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4430.88 7.52 So,weareinapositionthatwemusthaveanewcarrieratthebeginningofthemonth. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4438.96 1.52 Marie,youwannagothroughtheproposal? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4440.96 2.32 Yes,hi,myname'sMarieMurphy. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4443.28 7.60 Iworkforriskmanagementresourcesandusuallyinsuranceisoneofthemoredifficultthingswedo,Ithink,butmaybetonightthat'snotso. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4450.96 2.56 So,we'lltrytomakethisshortandsweet. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4453.68 1.12 Isthatacommentonthemeeting? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4455.20 1.28 Pardonme? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4456.96 1.12 Isthatacommentonthemeeting? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4458.08 0.24 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4458.32 6.08 UsuallyI'mlikeinthebeginningofthemeeting,butanyway,we'lltrytomakeitsimpletonight. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4464.40 7.84 Whatwedid,IwashiredandretainedbyPetersTownshiptomanagetheinsurancerenewalproposalforPetersTownship. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4472.32 6.56 Wedothisonaroutinebasis,usuallyeverythreeyearstoseewhatthemarketwillbear,what'shappeningintheinsurancemarket. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4478.88 2.32 Andtogetcompetitiveproposals. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4481.52 5.44 Thisyearwasdifferent,becauseyourcurrentcarrierdeclinedtorenewyourinsurancecoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4487.12 5.44 Thatcreatedaproblem,becauseyou'vebelongedtothesamecarrier,Ithinksince2007. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4492.80 6.80 Theyprovideduswithverygoodcoverageataverygoodpriceasyoucanseefromtheserenewalpremiumswe'regonnagooverhereshortly. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4499.68 2.96 Andso,itdidpresentabitofaproblematrenewal. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4502.72 8.56 So,ifwecangofirst,causeIknowthatwewannadiscussthedollarthingfirsttoshowyouwhatwefoundwhenwewentoutintothemarket. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4511.36 11.20 AndIthinkthatthisproposalthatyouseeontheinsurancerenewalpremiumproposalsasproposedJanuary,2013,Gallagherwasyourexpiringcarrier. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4522.56 3.20 That'stheonethatisnolongergonnabeprovidingaquote. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4525.92 18.08 Weputanadinthepaper,anybodythatwasinterestedresponded,Ididasetofspecificationsbasedonlastyear'spolicy,becauseIhadbeenworkingwiththose,thatpolicystructuresince2007,anditwasagoodpolicystructure. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4544.08 3.20 Andwegotcompetitiveproposalsagainstthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4547.76 5.92 Whatwefoundwhenwedidthiswasfirstofall,nobodywouldprovideuswhatwehadatthepricewehadit,period. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4553.76 1.60 Thatwasjustnotgonnahappen. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4555.44 5.68 Asyoucanseefromtheproposals,wedidget,they'resortofwithintherealmofeachother. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4561.20 4.48 Okay,ascomparedtoourexpiringpremiumoverhereat$138,000. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4565.68 5.84 So,thatwasthefirstthingwelearnedimmediately,waswhatwehadwasgoneandweweren'tgonnafindthatagain. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4571.92 5.44 Soanyway,wewentthroughandwerequestedthepremiumsforeverything. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4577.52 8.80 Andifwealsowantedtolookatdeductiblestoo,becauseinalotoftheseproposals,whatyouretainyourself,wentupinalotofinstances. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4586.72 11.20 Oneofthemajorcovereddifferencesthattheoldprogramhadthatwedon'thavethisyearisyourlawenforcementliabilitywascoveredunderyourgeneralliabilityinsurance. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4598.00 2.40 Therefore,youdidn'thaveanydeductible. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4600.48 1.52 Now,you'regoinggonnahaveadeductible. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4602.08 2.16 Okay,soIstudiedthiseverywayIcould. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4604.32 4.40 Istudieditfromincreaseddeductibles,premiums,deductibleoptions. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4608.72 5.36 Andthenofcourse,thecoverages,becausewehadn'thadthosecorecoveragesandsortofstartthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4614.24 15.12 Soifyouwouldjustgobrieflytotheriskmanagementresources,actuallymarketingreport,thesearealltheagentsthatwehadapproached,orthatactuallyapproachedusviaarequestthroughthenewspaper. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4629.44 2.16 Andthesearealltheresponseswegot. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4631.60 11.04 Now,youcanseebylookingatthis,wedidgetanicespreadofpeoplethatwereinterestedandtheywereallapproachingquiteavarietyofinsurancecompanies,butwedidgetalotofdeclinations. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4643.44 5.92 So,oncewegotthatdone,wedidcomeupwithseveralproposalsthatwereviable. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4649.44 1.76 Theyallhavedifferentpremiums. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4651.28 7.52 So,atthatpoint,whatmyconcernwastomakesurethatwehadthebestpricematched,excuseme,withthebestcoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4659.68 13.44 Ifyougotothepremiumpageagain,you'llseethatthelowestproposalwasfromtheCampbellAgencywithgreatAmericanInsuranceCompanyandCNA.There'sanotherparttothat,thatIfailedtoputonthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4673.60 3.84 Andtheirpremiumcameinat185,864. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4677.60 7.12 Okay,whichisasubstantialincreaseoveryourexpiring,butitwasthelowestofalltheproposals,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4684.96 3.04 Yeah,whyisthatdollaramountdifferentthanyoutook... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4688.00 1.28 Yousaid180. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4689.76 5.12 185,thatis185,buttheonewhere--Ohyeah,that'sanotherrevision. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4694.88 1.84 Didyougivethemthenewrevisionrevision? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4696.72 1.20 Oh,okay,I'msorry. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4697.92 1.92 Allright,Ididn'tknowyouhadthenewestrevision. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4699.84 1.04 Iwasgonnahandthatoutinaminute. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4700.88 1.04 Okay,soyouhavethe177? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4701.92 0.72 That'scorrect. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4702.64 1.36 Isthatwhatyouhaveupthere? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4704.00 0.16 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4704.16 1.36 Okay,yes,okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4705.52 0.72 So,that'sthe185. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4706.24 2.56 Okay,soyouhave187inyourhand. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4708.80 0.56 No,177. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4709.36 0.40 177. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4709.92 0.96 177,I'msorry. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4710.88 5.12 Yes,that'sthemostlatestrevisionthatIgotpracticallyonmywayhere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4716.96 11.68 Whatwe'vebeentryingtodoiseversincetheseproposalscamein,oncewehadthebidsandweknewwhothelowproposalswere,andwhowecouldworkwith,we'vebeentryingtoworkourwaythroughthistomakesurewehadallthecoveragesweneeded. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4729.36 2.08 Thatwasreallythekeytothis,thistime. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4731.52 2.24 Ican'tforegothecoveragefortheprice. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4733.76 1.92 Let'sjust,wecan'tdothat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4736.24 2.56 So,asIsaid,wehadalotofdeclinations. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4739.60 2.64 Wedidgetalotofpeopleinterested. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4742.56 1.84 Therewereseveralissues. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4744.40 6.16 Now,ifyougobacktotheoriginalinsurance,themajorcoveragecomparisons,I'msorry. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4750.64 1.20 That'saseparatechart. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4751.92 4.64 WhatIdidwasIhonedinonthemajorcoveragepoints,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4756.64 7.60 OnceIhadthepremiumsestablished,thenextthingtodoisokaytomakesurethat,okay,thisisacheapprice,butdoesithavewhatweneed? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4764.32 2.88 So,you'llseefromthissheet--Theydon'thavethatsheet. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4767.20 1.68 Theydon'thavethissheet,ohokay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4768.96 6.64 Basically,whatwedidwasIwentthroughandIactuallydidacomparisonofallthecoverages,andIcameupwithmajorcoveragepoints. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4776.64 5.52 AfterIdidthat,Iendedupwithafewconcerns,andthat'swhatIwannajustdiscusswithyoumomentarily. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4782.56 6.16 Asfarasthepremiumgoes,thegreatAmericanProgramdoesgiveyouwhatyouneedatareasonableprice. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4789.12 6.88 Therearesomethingsthatwedon'thaveanymore,andoneofthosethingswedon'thaveanymoreiscoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4796.24 2.40 Partofthecoveragefortheengineer. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4798.72 4.08 Okay,intheoldprogram,itcoveredMarkfor... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4802.80 7.76 Iknowyouhatetoevensayitoutloud,itcoveredMarkforbodilyinjuryandpropertydamageclaims. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4810.64 4.72 Okay,aswellaspublicofficialsclaims,whichbasicallyisawrongfulact. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4815.44 2.40 Thesamethingthatcoverseverybodyhereontheboard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4817.92 2.80 Okay,thatpolicyyou'llstillcoverMark. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4820.72 2.72 Okay,sowedohavepartialcoverageforhimrightnow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4823.60 4.48 Whatthatmeansis,andI'msureMr.Johnsoncanbackmeuponthis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4828.56 4.24 Coveragetriggerswhatdetermineswhatpolicyrespondstowhatclaim. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4832.88 11.04 Okay,soifsomeonesuesPetersTownshipandMark,forawrongfulact,okay,thatwillbecoveredbythepublicofficialspolicy,becausethat'swhatpublicofficialscovers. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4844.00 10.24 Butiftheresultofthewrongfulactwasbodilyinjury,orpropertydamage,that'spickedupunderadifferentpolicyonthegeneralliabilityside,andthat'swherewelostthecoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4854.32 5.52 Becausethepriorcarrierwassobroadwiththeircoverageform,nobodyincluded,itjustwaslike,theythrewitin. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4859.84 1.68 Iwassortasurprisedwhentheydid. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4861.60 2.32 So,whenwegottothisrenewal,Iwas... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4863.92 16.80 Iwassurprisedthateverybodytoldmeitwascovered,buttheydidn'tunderstandthedifferencebetweentheerrorsandomissionsprofessionalexposurehegivesus,versusaregularBIPD,whichmightbetoomuchdetail,butthebottomlineisweneedtofillthatgap. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4880.96 2.88 MikeandIhavetalkedaboutthemost... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4884.16 3.28 What'stheexposurethatweworryaboutmostwithMark? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4887.76 11.04 Fromabodilyinjuryandpropertydamagestandpoint,wesortofcametotheconclusionitwouldprobablybeiftherewasastormdrainthatwasdesignedimproperly;andifyouwannaaddsomethingtothis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4899.28 6.24 Anditcausedsomebody'shometobecompletelyflooded,thatwouldbeapropertydamageclaim,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4905.60 1.52 Assuminghedesignedit? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4907.28 0.48 Right. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4907.84 4.16 Yes,andthatwaspartofwhatyoudo,correct,the... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4912.00 4.40 Well--Yeah,wedon'tdesignaheckofalotofnewstormstoragesystems. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4916.40 4.32 Itcanoccur,andyou'venoticedthatwe'redoingretrofitsofoldstuff. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4921.44 4.16 So,thenandonceagain,becauseit'svague. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4925.68 5.84 Okay,becausehecould,maybehewouldn't,wehavetonailthatdown,becausewecan'thavehimexposed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4931.52 4.32 Orifwedohavetheexposure,weneedtoknowitandabsorbit,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4935.92 10.24 So,whathappenedwas,likeIsaid,ifhesuedforwrongfulactsspecifically,okay,anditdoesn'tmentionbodilyinjury,orpropertydamage,wehavecoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4946.16 6.64 Butifwegetthatstrangeclaimwheretheydoaskforbodilyinjury,orpropertydamage,that'swherewehavethislittlegap. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4952.88 3.04 So,Iwentinsearchofcoverageforthatgap. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4957.52 4.88 Practically,likeIsaid,onmywayhere,Ifinallygotanumber,whichkindofflooredme,tobehonestwithyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4962.40 1.44 Ididn'tthinkitwasgonnabethathigh. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4964.00 4.80 Itcameinat$10,475,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4969.04 10.08 Andithasa$25,000deductible,whichifyoulookatthat,youhavetohit$35,000,period,beforeitevenpaysforitself. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4979.20 16.96 So,thispartofthecoverage,wecanmoveaheadwiththisinsuranceprogram,andI'mgonnacontinuetoworkwithMikeonthisopenissuebecauseIwasthinking,onmywayhereactually,thatdoyoubelongtoanassociationofanykind? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 4996.48 4.40 Okay,theymaybeabletoprovidehimwithaninsurancequotethatwouldbemorereasonable. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5000.88 1.76 ThisonecameoutofLloyd'sofLondon. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5002.64 5.68 Okay,andLloyd'sisn'tcheap,butitwastheonlyquotethatIwasabletogettoo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5008.40 9.44 So,butIthinkthatitalsohadtodowithpeopletellingmeitwascovering,itwasn'tuntilIreadthecoverageformsIrealizedthatgapwasthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5017.84 5.36 Okay,sothatwassortofwhythatgotdelayedalittlebit,butitcanbesolved. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5023.20 1.52 Ithink,wecansolveit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5025.28 2.48 LikeIsaid,wedohavesomecoverageforMark. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5027.76 8.64 It'sjusttheBIPDportionthatI'mconcernedabout,andIthink,weshouldpursuethisandseeifwecangetabetterpremiumandaquote. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5036.40 13.52 Becausetheothersideofthecoinis,isifCouncil,ifyougiveitsomeseriousthought,andwegetMark'sinput,whatwouldbetheriskcomparedtothe$35,000ayearyou'regonnaspendoninsurance? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5049.92 1.12 Isitreallyworthit? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5051.04 2.00 Howmanyoftheseprojectsdoeshedoayear? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5053.12 1.52 Howoftendoeshedoit? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5054.88 4.96 HowmucharewereallyexposingourselvestothisBIPDrisk? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5059.92 7.68 So,Ithink,thatneedstobediscussedfurtherbecauseIthinkthatmaybeit'snotasbigofarisk,ormaybeit'sabiggerriskthanIrealize. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5068.24 0.80 Idon'tknowthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5069.04 1.60 Itsoundslikealotofwhat... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5070.64 5.36 MarkandIdiscussedwhathedoes,whichiswhyIdidn'treallythinkthatitwasgonnacostthatmuchmoney. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5076.00 6.48 Notthatyoudon'tdoimportantthings,buthe'snotdoingalotofdesign,andthat'susuallywhatcostsallthemoney. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5082.56 2.48 So,thatkindofthreweverythingforaloop. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5085.04 6.64 So,Iwillsaythatwecanmoveaheadwiththerestofthis,butIthinkweneedtocontinuetopursuethat,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5092.88 3.44 ThesecondpointIjustwantedtobringupwastheautoexposure. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5096.40 8.80 Oneofthereasonswhyeverybody,everybodydeclinedyourquotewasbecauseoftheautoproblem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5105.28 0.96 Thatwaspartoftheproblem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5106.24 11.20 Youhaveafrequencyissueandwedidgetacoupleofstandalonequotes,butwewereabletonegotiateapplestoapplesquotesandtheGreatAmericanProgramnowcontainseverythingweneed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5117.52 2.32 Okay,ontheautoportiontoo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5120.40 5.84 Andthat'ssomethingMike'sworkingonrightnow,he'ssigningpeopleupfordrivertrainingcourses. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5126.24 5.28 Unfortunately,hereinPetersTownship,andIcansay,causeIhatedrivingouthereatnight,especiallyintherain. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5131.68 5.52 You'vehadlike17yearsstrikessince2007,andthat'sjust,whatcanyoudo? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5137.28 1.60 Look,it'sveryruralouthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5138.96 1.12 It'sdark,youknow? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5140.16 3.68 So,it'snotreallysomethingyoucancontrolexactly. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5144.80 2.72 TheotherpointIwantedtobringupwasdeductibles. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5147.60 8.64 Ithink,oneofthereasonswhyourlosseslooksobadhereatPetersisbecausewesubmitthingsinthe$500range,inthe$1,000range,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5156.24 3.44 Rightnow,ourautodeductiblesare500comp,500collision. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5159.68 4.88 So,everytimeyouhitadeer,youpaythe500andthen,theinsurancecompanypaystherest. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5164.56 3.28 Well,Ithink,we'vetotaledone,ortwovehiclesalready. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5167.84 5.68 So,whenyoulookatthat,theinsurancecompaniesareeventuallygonnacatchupwiththatandsay,whoa. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5173.60 10.32 So,I'mmakingtherecommendationwedefinitelygetthosedeductiblesupsothatatleastaswemoveforward,thisfrequencythingisn'tshowingupallthetimeonyourlossruns,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5184.00 2.24 AndIthinkweshoulddothesamethingonproperty. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5186.56 2.24 Wecancarry$1,000deductiblerightnow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5188.80 3.04 Ithink,weshouldbumpthatupto5,000. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5192.64 3.52 Wehaven'thadverymanypropertyclaims. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5196.32 5.76 Theoneswe'vehadhavebeenlightningstrikesattheradiotower,andIbelievewe'vehadacouplesnowandicethings. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5202.16 6.88 Okay,so--Onebigonewasthesprinkler--Oh,thesprinklersystem,that'sright. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5209.60 1.52 Iforgotaboutthatone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5211.52 7.28 So,thatpartofit,IthinkthatthePetersTownshiphastheabilitytoabsorbthat$5,000perclaim. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5218.80 4.16 AndIthink,thatbasedonyourlosshistory,that'snotwhereyourproblemshavereallybeen. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5222.96 1.36 It'sbeenontheautoside. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5224.32 4.80 So,Ithinkyoushouldgivethatconsideration,causethere'sothersavingstobehadbytakingthehigherdeductible. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5229.12 6.56 Andsinceyou'relookingatthistransitionyearwhereyou'regoingtoanalmostwhat,$46,000increase? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5236.16 4.40 It'sprobablyagoodtimetotakethatdeductiblesavings. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5242.00 2.88 Thedamexposurewasanotherissue. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5245.20 3.12 That'salwaysbeenastickintheprogram. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5248.64 2.72 We'vealwaysbeenluckyenoughtogetitcovered. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5252.48 5.76 Thisyearwhathappenedthough,wasthere'sonlyoneprogramthat'sofferingusthecatastrophiccoverageonthedam. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5258.32 5.52 AndwhatImeanbythatisyouhavethefirst1million,3milliononyourprimaryinsurance. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5263.92 4.32 Thenthere'ssomethingcalledanumbrellathatgoesoverthat,thatprovidesanother5million. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5268.32 5.04 Inpreviousyears,youhadtheentire$8millionforthedamexposure. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5273.36 3.04 Youhaditontheprimary,andyouhaditontheumbrella. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5276.56 7.12 Noone,butTravelersisofferingthatatthispoint,andtheTravelersProgramisquiteabitmoreexpensive. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5283.92 4.56 So,whenyoulookattherisk,we'vediscussedthisatlengthalso. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5289.76 2.88 Youdomaintainthedamvery,verywell. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5293.28 4.96 There'sanabilitytolowerthewaterifweknowthere'sgonnabeanissuewithflooding. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5298.64 3.68 Wecanopenthevalvesandgetthatwaterpressuredown. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5302.96 3.92 WehadhurricaneIvan,andithandledHurricaneIvan. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5306.88 1.20 So,thatwaswhata... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5308.08 1.84 Wasthat100,or500year? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5309.92 0.64 Iforget. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5310.56 0.32 500. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5310.88 1.04 500yearflood. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5312.00 6.96 So,I'mnotreallytotallyoverlyconcernedaboutthisexcessexposureonthedam. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5319.04 4.64 Ithink,thatthe1million,3millionisprobablysufficient. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5323.84 8.08 Ijustdon'tseethedamcreatingmuchofaproblemthatwewon'tknowaboutbeforeitbecomesacatastrophicfailure,becauseofthewaythatit'smaintained. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5332.16 2.40 Okay,andbecauseofwhathappenedinIvan. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5334.56 4.16 Ithink,ifitwasgonnahaveafailure,that'sprobablywhenitwasgonnahappen,so. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5339.36 10.64 So,basedonallthatinformation,I'mmakingarecommendationthatyouincreasethedeductiblesto5,000,take$1,000deductibleonyourauto,takeallthereductionsthatthey'reofferingyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5350.32 17.52 LetmecontinuetopursuethisgapintheENO,andIwouldrecommendtheCampbellAgencywithGreatAmericanandCNA.-Inthebodyofyourrecommendation,yousaysomethingabouttheautobeingwithadifferentcarrier. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5367.92 4.40 Yes,itiswithGreatAmerican,andit'swithCNAistheauto. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5372.40 4.08 It'sadifferentcarrier,andEriealsoofferedastandalonequote. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5376.72 2.96 Okay,theywerethesamestandalonequote. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5379.76 3.60 So,wewentwithwhatCampbelloriginallygaveus. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5383.76 5.84 Theterrorismcoverage,we'venottakenthatinthepast? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5389.92 4.08 No,andIhaveanexplanationforterrorism. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5394.08 6.48 TheonethingIwouldliketosayaboutitisinmybusiness,theActgoesonforever. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5400.64 8.48 Okay,sotomakeitashortexplanation,thethingthatyouneedtoknowisbeforeyoucancollectanymoney,becausewehaddiscussedthis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5409.12 18.56 Likewhatifsomebodycameintothetownshipandevenifitwasadomesticterroristact,anddidwhatevertheydid,ithastobedeclaredanactofterrorismbytheSecretaryofState,theSecretaryoftheTreasury,andtheAttorneyGeneralbeforeit'sconsideredanactofterrorism. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5427.84 0.88 So,Idon't... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5428.72 5.20 UnlessitinvolvedtheCityofPittsburghandPeter'sTownship,Idon'teverseethathappening. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5434.24 9.44 ItwouldhavetobesomehorriblycatastrophicthingbeforeIthinkthosebodieswouldconsideritaterroristactundertheAct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5444.00 9.92 So,theonlyclientsIhavethatnormallypurchasethatarewaterandsewerauthorities,becausethey'rehighrisktargets,andtheyonlypurchaseitonthepropertynormally. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5454.08 3.20 So,mostofmymunicipalclientsdonotpurchaseit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5457.28 2.72 So,we'venothaditinthepast. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5460.24 1.20 Right. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5461.44 1.28 We'vedeclineditinthepast. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5462.72 2.00 Doesanybodyhaveanyotherquestions? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5465.36 4.24 Thissituationthatyou'retalkingaboutusingtheumbrellacoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5469.68 0.72 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5470.80 8.40 WhyisitthattheissuethatwehavewithMark,isn'tsomethingthatfallsunderthatumbrella? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5480.16 4.24 Well,Markiscoveredundertheumbrella,it'sadifferentcoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5484.40 5.20 Inotherwords,thepublicofficialscoverageistheprimarypartofthecoveragethathe'scoveredunder. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5489.60 2.32 Andit'salsopickedupundertheumbrella. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5491.92 2.08 So,it'sjustadifferentcoverage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5494.40 8.64 Heispickedup,andhe'salsopickedupforbodilyinjuryandasisanybodythatworksforthetownshiphasbodily,injuryandpropertydamage. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5503.12 3.68 Hejustdoesn'thaveitasitrelatestohisengineeringduties. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5506.88 1.52 Hehasitforeverythingelse. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5508.80 8.64 Canyouthinkofanoccasionthatyouhavehadthisissue,asealtoadrawing,oradesignthatyouhavedone? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5517.76 1.92 It'stypicallyinconjunctionwithpermits. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5519.68 7.28 IfIapplytheVPforacertaincrossingpermit,orastreambank. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5526.96 5.52 Yeah,Ithink--SometimesIhavetostandforpermit,they'reonMS4,IhadtostandtheTMDonplannings. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5532.48 5.84 It'sveryrarethatitwouldbeforaprojectthatwedesignedinhouse. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5538.32 15.44 Now,thatdoesn'tmeanthatIcanstilldesignitandoverseeit,but--Tome,thatwouldbeanavenuethatwouldprecludetheabilitytopursueaclaimagainsthimasadesignprofessional. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5554.32 1.76 Well,it'sa... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5556.16 2.88 Whatit'scalledisanerrororomission. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5559.04 3.36 Oh,ma'am,Iknowwellthough,whatyou'retalkingabout--Okay,so--That'smybusiness. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5562.40 7.44 Yeah,okaysowhatI'msayingis,theENOportionoftheclaimunderthegeneralliabilitiesiswhatI'mworriedabout. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5569.84 5.04 Hedoeshavethewrongfulactcoverageuphere,andhehasitontheprimaryandtheumbrella. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5575.04 1.84 It'sthemissingpiece. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5576.88 1.44 It'snotworth10,000bucks. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5578.48 1.28 Well,that'swhatI'msaying. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5579.76 3.92 WeneedtogofurtherwiththatbecauseIdon'tknowthatthere'sreallymuchriskthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5583.68 7.36 Andthen,whenyouaddthepremiumintothedeductible,you'relookingat$35,000beforetheinsuranceresponds,andreally,whatisourriskhere? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5591.04 3.20 He'snotworththat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5594.80 2.16 ButIthink,it'ssomethingthat--Isaidthattongueincheek. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5596.96 8.72 Imean,Ithinkit'ssomethingweshouldpursuealittlefurtherjusttosee,likeIsaid,maybetheassociationhassomething,causeyouknowhowassociationprogramshavespecialratesfortheirmembers. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5605.68 2.24 Andwemightbeabletodosomethingthatway. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5608.08 3.36 Iagreewithyou,Ithinkthatpremium'satrocious,andIdon't... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5611.44 5.28 Idon'tseetheriskthathepresents,thatitdeservesthatkindofpremium. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5617.12 6.08 ThatwasnowherenearwhatIthoughtitwasgonnacost,becausenormally,it'sthedesignportionthatistherisk. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5623.28 5.92 Andhedoesverylittleifanydesign,andthere'salwayssomeoneelseinvolvedtoo,right? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5629.28 2.88 There'salwaysgonnabeasubcontractorandacontractor. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5632.24 8.08 Andalotofotherpartiesthatwillallgetsuedwithus,sowecanallbeintheretogetherandit'llworkitselfouteventually. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5640.32 1.92 Butwewouldn'tbetheonlypersonstandingthere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5642.24 3.04 You'retryingtomakethatsoundlikeapleasantordeal. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5645.52 3.28 Well,Ithink,themorepeopleinvolved,thebetter,let'sputitthatway. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5648.88 3.36 Itgivesmoremoney,ormoremoneyavailabletospreadaround,but... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5652.24 3.68 CanIaskyouaquestionfromtheaudience? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5656.08 0.64 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5656.72 1.12 I'mScottBramrose. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5657.84 1.12 Oh,hi,Scott,howareyou? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5658.96 0.64 Nicetomeetyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5659.60 0.80 Nicetomeetyoutoo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5660.40 7.60 Sorry,,Ijustwantedtoask,whenyouwerereadingmyformandtheliabilityabouttheprofessionalcoverageforengineersandsurveyors. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5668.00 0.64 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5668.64 3.04 Doesitnotcoverhis... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5671.84 8.32 Ithinkitcoveredhis--Well,Ithink,letmeseeonmycoveragecomparisons,becauseIthink,itsaiditwascovered,butit'syourpremiumthatmadeitcostly. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5680.16 6.16 Oh,yeah,Iknowmypremiumishigh--Yeah,butletmeseeifwehave--Ijustwantedtosaythatthatcoveragewasavailableunder--Oh,yeah,letmesee,I'msorry,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5686.40 1.44 That'sthepointyou'retryingtomake. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5688.00 3.36 Yes,hisprogramwithBrittdidincludethatexposure. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5691.36 1.76 Itwasn'tthatitwasn'tavailable. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5693.28 2.96 Thatitwastheprogramcoststhatmadeitcostprohibited. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5696.24 2.00 Well,he'sagoodguy,buthe'sjusttooexpensive. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5698.32 1.92 Yeah,so--Andthiswaswhoagain? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5700.64 3.36 ThiswasSloanAgencythroughtheBrittInsuranceGroup. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5704.00 3.04 Theirpremiumwasat191,742. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5707.36 4.96 Michael,doesyourpositionandrecommendationstandasyouputitoutinyour... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5712.64 2.24 TogowithsoCampbellAgency. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5714.88 0.48 Campbell? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5715.36 0.48 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5716.00 1.36 Onelastclarificationthough. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5717.36 0.64 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5718.00 1.68 Mr.Lewis,Idon'tmeantointerrupt. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5719.68 0.32 Allright. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5720.24 6.80 So,acrossthecolumns,theonethathas,isnotincludedisbesidetheskatepark. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5727.04 3.12 Isthatanomission,oristhat... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5730.24 2.08 Imean,isthat,whatdoesthatmean,I'msorry? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5732.32 0.88 Oh,it'sincluded. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5733.20 2.56 I'msorry,youmeanthereshouldbeawordincluded--Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5735.76 0.88 Yes,itisincluded. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5736.64 1.12 I'msorry,thatwas... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5737.76 0.48 Thatshouldbeincluded. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5738.24 1.92 Allright,causethat's--Causethat'sabigdealtoo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5740.16 2.32 Imean,that'sapotential--Itis,itisabigdeal. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5742.48 1.76 Believeme,theskatepark--So,thatisincluded? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5744.24 2.64 That'sineverybody,andit's--Sorrytointerruptyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5746.96 2.64 Youhavedams,skateparks,youhaveallsortsofthings. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5749.68 2.48 So,itmakesitadifficultrisk. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5752.24 1.20 Isthereanyotherquestions? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5753.52 0.56 Ihaveaquestion. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5754.08 0.64 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5754.72 17.76 Theissuecameuplastyearwhenwewereinvolvedinsomelitigationinvolvinganindividual,whohadsuedthetownshipfederalcourtunderan1983action. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5772.72 6.40 AndCouncilwasvehementlyopposedtopayinganickel. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5779.12 1.04 Iknowwhatyou'retalkingabout. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5780.16 0.88 Towardsthatclaim. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5781.12 0.48 Iknow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5781.60 7.84 Andbecauseofthecoveragethatwehad,wereallydidn'thave,Iguess,it'sahammerclause,orwhatevermy... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5789.44 3.36 Ipracticeinsurance,soIkeepthe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5792.88 6.00 So,ifIsaydon'tsettleonanopracticecasethentheinsurancecarriercan'tdothat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5798.96 0.40 Right. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5799.52 11.52 AndwhenIinquiredaboutthatfromMr.Silvestri,heindicatedtomethatourpolicydoesnotprovideforustosay,we'renotpayinganickel,andyouhavetodefendit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5811.12 3.36 Andifwewantedthat,thatitwouldbemoreexpensive. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5814.96 2.80 I'mnot,Idon'tknowthatit'savailable,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5817.76 14.48 Anyprofessionalperson,adoctor,alawyer,becauseitisaprofessionalperson,theinsurancecompanyextendstheobligate,orthecourtesy,Iwouldsay,ofallowingyoutorefusetosettle. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5832.24 4.24 Andthatwouldbeobviousbecauseifyou'readoctor,yourreputationcouldgetruined. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5836.48 7.04 Andifyoureallyfeelit'sanopinionthing,anditwasn'tamedicalfact,thenyoucangoaheadandrefuseit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5844.16 7.68 TheonlythingI'veeverseeninaninsurancepolicythatgaveyouanykindofcontroloverthatwasawaiverofgovernmentalimmunityclause. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5852.00 4.08 Whereifyouhadimmunity,andyouwantedtowaiveit,okay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5856.16 4.40 Becauseofsomereason,Ihaveawaterauthority,forexample,thathadabadpipeandtheyknewit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5860.56 6.08 Andeverytimeitwouldflood,itfloodedthesamehouse,buttheinsurancepolicywouldnotallowthemtopayit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5866.72 5.28 Theywouldgototheirgovernmentalimmunityclause,andsay,"We'reimmunefromthisliability,andwe'renotpayingit". Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5872.08 4.48 Well,Ifoundapolicy,orwefoundapolicythatdidallowthatwaiver. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5876.64 5.20 I'veseenitgothatway,I'veneverseenitgotheotherway,becausethere'sarightanddutytodefend. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5881.92 8.08 Butwhenyoulookatthepolicyconditions,allthroughthepolicyconditions,ittalksaboutyourobligationsasaninsured,versusaninsurer. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5890.08 3.52 Andyou'reobligatedtodowhattheysay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5894.56 3.92 TheonlytimeIknowthatthat'sdifferent,likeIsaid,isinaprofessionalsituation. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5898.48 1.60 I'veneverseenapolicythat... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5900.08 6.40 AndMr.Lewis,Idon'tknowifyouhaveeither,butI'veneverseenapolicythatwouldallowyoutopay,ortosaydon'tpay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5906.48 5.84 becausebelieveme,therearealotofpeoplefeelthiswaybecausetheclaimssometimesareridiculous. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5912.40 4.08 YouhavetwoIcanthinkof,whichIwon'tspeakofrightnow,thatareabsolutelyridiculous. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5916.56 3.20 Andallyourcostshavebeenindefendingthething. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5919.76 2.00 Youhaven'tpaidapenny,butyou'vebeen... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5921.76 5.76 There'sabigreservessittingtherefordefensiveofanidioticclaim,butthere'snothingyoucando. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5927.52 7.76 Andwhat'llhappenisit'llcometoapointfortheinsurancecompany,wherethey'regonnasay,look,it'scheaperforustopaythisthantokeepfightingthis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5935.36 4.56 Andthat'stheirprivilegetodothat,so. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5939.92 4.00 ButIappreciateyouropinion. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5943.92 0.40 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5944.32 3.04 Anddon'tgettheimpressionIknowanythingatallaboutinsurance. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5947.36 3.76 Oh.-ButIdoknowaboutprofessionalliabilityandengineers,so. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5951.12 0.80 Okay,good. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5951.92 2.16 Well,maybeyoucanhelpuswithMark. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5954.40 4.64 IwouldmovethatweawardtheCampbellInsuranceCompany. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5959.52 6.32 Idon'tknowwhetherit'sexactly,ifit's177,159orifsomeoneelsewouldbelessthanthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5965.84 2.88 Maybeifwecontinue,andgothrough,wecannegotiatethetermsandconditions. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5968.96 4.88 Well,yeah,this'llbethenumberthatwe'llbeusing,andthen--That's177. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5973.84 4.24 Yes,the170,theonethat'snotupthere,the177. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5978.16 4.72 Okay,sowehaveamotionandasecond,isthereanyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5983.44 3.36 Hearingnone,allinfavorofthemotionsayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5986.88 0.40 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5987.36 1.76 Opposedsaynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5989.44 3.04 That'sasix,zero,Mr.Silvestri. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5993.12 1.60 Nextitemonthe--Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5994.80 1.12 Thankyouforyourtime. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5996.00 0.56 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 5996.96 8.00 ThenextitemispetitionreceivedforBarrhillRoadtrafficcalmingstudy. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6005.28 13.28 Yes,therewasapetitionwithsufficientnamestomeettheminimumcriteriatohaveusinvestigate,todetermineifitwouldqualifyforastudy. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6019.04 7.36 Wewouldlookatitfromthestandpointoftheamountofthespeeds,andtheamountoftraffic. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6026.56 8.40 Andthen,ifitdoesqualify,thenitwouldgototheTrafficCalmingCommitteetoreview. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6035.20 2.64 Inaddition,wedohavetwooutstandingones. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6037.84 11.20 Onethatwewillbedoingadditionaltrafficcountsinthespring,whichisSenateChurch,causethatwasn'tabletoafterthestoplightwasin. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6049.12 4.80 Andthenthelastonewas,whichhasbeenhereforawhilehasbeen... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6054.24 0.72 MapleLane. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6055.04 13.44 MapleLaneandwhenwedidtheoriginalstudies,oneportionofMapleLanequalifiedfromaspeedstandpoint,past,goingpastGeorge,andtheotherpartbeforeGeorgedidnot. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6068.64 6.08 Whenwewentoutthereandtookadditionalaccountstoseeifitstilldid,itactuallyflipflopped. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6074.72 6.64 ThesectionbeforeGeorgenowisoverthespeedandthesectionafterGeorgeisunderthespeed. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6081.60 11.12 AndIguess,whatI'dliketodoatleast,isgetaproposalfromTPDtoseewhatthatwouldcosttodoastudythere,andthencomebacktoCouncil. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6093.20 1.44 That'swhatwe'vedoneinthepast. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6094.64 0.32 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6095.12 4.56 Iseenoreasontoalterthat,unlesssomebodyhasone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6099.68 0.64 Isthatokay? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6100.32 0.80 Haveavote. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6101.12 0.88 Ithinkyou'reokay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6102.00 0.96 Doweneedamotion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6102.96 3.84 Well,justtoauthorizeustodothestudy. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6106.80 1.12 Allright,so--Thecounts. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6107.92 2.16 So,youhaveamotion,Mr.Ballsecondedit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6110.56 1.76 Anyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6112.64 1.68 Allinfavorofthemotionsayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6114.32 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6114.64 0.32 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6114.96 1.28 Anyopposed,saynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6116.32 1.52 Passessix,zero. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6118.00 5.20 Ournextitemisresolutionestablishingthatdropatrustfordroppensions. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6123.36 0.32 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6123.68 2.24 Thepolicepensionplan. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6127.12 12.88 WereallysubmittedatrustagreementtoBankanditbasicallyincludedeverythingthat'sinthisagreement,inthisresolution. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6141.12 7.44 Theytookthepositionthatforwhatwasinvolved,theydidn'twanttogetinto,enterintosuchanagreement. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6148.64 7.76 ThenwewentbacktothePNC.ToseeifPNCwaswillingtodosuch,andatthispointwestilldon'thavearesponse. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6156.48 2.48 Theywerelookingatit,butwe're... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6158.96 2.96 Weneedtogetthesethingsestablished. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6162.16 4.96 So,theotheroptionwasforustoadopttheresolutionestablishingthetrust. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6167.12 7.68 Andthenwejustopenedupthestandardtrustagreement,trustaccountswiththebankundertheresolutionhere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6174.88 3.68 Asopposedtohavinganagreementwiththebankforatrust. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6178.96 3.52 Imovethatweadoptresolution10513. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6182.72 1.20 Second. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6184.32 3.28 So,wehaveamotionandasecond,anyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6187.84 2.08 Allinfavorofthemotion,sayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6190.08 0.40 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6190.48 0.40 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6190.88 1.28 Opposedsaynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6192.40 2.72 Six,zero,Mr.Silvestri. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6195.68 1.44 Payrollbills. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6197.28 3.44 I'vereviewedthepayrollandbills,thatlargefileofthem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6200.80 0.96 There'salot. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6201.76 1.68 Yeah,there'sabunchofthemthistime. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6203.84 2.72 Findtheminorderandmovethatwepaythem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6208.56 0.56 Second. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6209.36 1.44 Okay,amotiontosecond. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6210.80 1.36 Anyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6212.48 2.32 Hearingnone,allinfavorofthemotion,sayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6214.88 0.40 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6215.28 1.28 Andopposedsaynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6216.80 2.72 Six,zero,Mr.Silvestri. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6220.08 2.00 CouldIaskaclarifyingquestion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6222.08 0.32 Sure. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6222.48 4.24 Well,Mr.Ball,willyoubedoingthatallthetime,orwereyoujustsubbingforMr.Berkowitz? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6226.72 3.12 No,Mr.Berkowitzwasabsent. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6229.84 0.80 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6232.56 3.84 I'msureifyouwantedtodoitMr.Berkowitzwouldletyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6237.12 1.44 There'safilling. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6238.88 3.36 Yeah,it'sjustpartofthedutiesofthevicechair,that'swhyIwondered. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6242.64 2.24 Icameoffthebench,outofretirement. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6246.08 4.08 Nextsection,sincewedidcorrespondence,wouldbereports. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6250.64 7.28 Giventhelatehour,isthereanythinginthere,Mr.Silvestri,thatyoufeelstronglythatweneedtodiscuss? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6258.40 7.36 No.-Okay,isthereanybodyelseonCouncilthatwouldliketodiscussanythingthatappearsunderthereportsection? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6266.24 1.20 No,therewasn'tanything. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6267.44 0.56 Anybody? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6268.08 5.12 Okiedoke,let'smovetoitemnumbernine,whichismiscellaneous. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6274.80 1.60 It'sRoadTourdate. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6276.40 1.60 Yeah,RoadTourdate. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6278.72 0.88 That'scomingup. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6279.92 4.00 We'rerecommendingMarch2nd,Ithink,wasitthe2nd? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6283.92 1.36 That's--Yeah,March2nd. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6285.28 0.64 That'swhatIheard. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6285.92 5.44 Ican'tdothe9th,Ihaveacubscoutsfieldthetriponthe9th,sir. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6292.00 0.48 What? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6292.48 2.40 Ialwaysthinkyou'rereally--Bringthecubscoutsonafieldtrip. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6294.88 0.80 It'llbesnowing. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6295.84 1.60 Lastyear,wediditonthe3rd. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6297.52 6.08 Allourneighboringcommunitiesdidtheirroadprogrambeforeus,andIhatetobe--Ihopeitsnowsandwecan'tseeathing. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6303.60 0.96 Wedidbetterlastyear. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6304.64 2.64 Well,it'salsoweatherpermitting. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6307.28 2.40 Imean,ifit'ssnowing,wewouldcancel. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6310.40 2.08 Iftheroadsarecovered,wewouldcancel,Imean. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6312.56 2.40 Well,itsoundslikea... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6314.96 1.92 That'sagoodday,Iguess--It'sfine. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6317.44 6.56 I'llshootforthe2nd,andthen--Let'sshootforthe2nd,ifitdoesn'tworkout,we'lljustreschedule,okiedoke. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6324.08 2.80 Theotherpartofitisthe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6326.88 3.60 TheValleyViewDriveculdesac. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6330.88 2.00 AndIwasgonnahaveMark... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6332.88 1.76 Mark,therearesomedrawingsinyourdocket. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6334.64 6.24 Oneofthethingswe'vebeentalkingaboutiswehaveanumberofstreetsthatarelong,deadends. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6340.88 0.64 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6341.52 5.36 Withoutanyadequateturnarounds,ValleyView,LongView,Hammonds. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6348.96 0.48 Elm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6349.52 0.48 Elm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6350.08 5.68 What'stheoneoffthe-Thompsonfield,wewentuptherewhenwewere--Yeah,Algrove. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6355.76 1.20 IsthatAlgrove? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6356.96 19.92 Yeah,andwediscussedthisinhouseandwethoughtthatthebestapproachwouldbetotrytodothemincrementally,oneatatime,andsinceValleyViewisgoingtobepaidthisyear,we'rerecommendingthatwelookatputtinginaturnaroundat65th. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6377.04 11.44 Notthatthecurrentstandardof80feetdiameter,but60feetdiameter,whichwillbeadequateenoughforagarbagetrucktoturn,publicworksvehicles,andanyemergencyvehicles. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6390.08 5.52 Thiswouldnecessitategettingadditionalpropertyoutsideoftherightofwaytodothis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6395.60 8.00 Andwewouldhavetocontactthepropertyowners,anditcouldverywellget,ifwecouldn'tworkitout,whereitmaygettothepointofeminentdomain. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6403.60 6.32 Wherewe'dliketogetpermissiontostarttheprocess,sowecanbeinapositiontoincludethatinthepavingproject. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6411.60 4.32 ThisbeforElmthatyou'redoingthat,it'dbeeasierfortheturn. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6415.92 5.12 Well,Igotonepropertyownerseemamenable,butI'mnotsureabouttheotheroneyet. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6421.04 2.32 Wehaven'thadcontactwith--Weren'ttherethreeofthemthen? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6423.60 0.88 Nah,actuallytwo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6424.48 0.64 It'sactuallytwo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6425.12 4.40 Wecanlayitoutsothatweonlyaffecttwopropertyowners,so. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6429.52 0.88 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6430.40 1.44 nowhaveactuallyhad,what? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6432.24 3.52 Justseeingthepropertyownersandtask,andprobablymentiontheidea. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6435.76 4.08 Butwe'dliketogetCouncil'sauthorizationonit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6440.08 4.72 Ithink,youshouldgo-No,Ithink,youstillneedtodothat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6445.04 6.08 Mark,didIget-DidIgetoutofthisinformationthatyoucandothehammerheadwithoutimpingingonanybody? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6451.12 2.64 Wecould,thatwouldbeplanB.-Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6453.76 3.28 Yeah,ifthepropertyowners--Well,that'safallback,though. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6457.04 1.60 It'safallback--It'slesseffective. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6458.72 3.12 Wecoulddoit,buttheonlyproblemitdoesn'taccommodategarbagetrucks. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6461.92 7.92 Andthat'sreallythebigissueofValleyViewrightnow,isthegarbagetruckseitherhavetobackdown,andpullout,orpullinandbackupthestreet. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6469.84 0.96 It'sjustnotsafe. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6470.80 1.20 So,we'dliketo... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6472.00 4.56 Andthe60footisnotourstandardculdesac,butit'sthesamediameter. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6476.64 6.72 Wejustdiditon,thispartoftheAnthonyFarmsdeal,andthat'sworkingwellforthegarbagecompanies. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6483.36 7.76 So,we'dliketoproposethatit'stheminimumamountthatwecangetagarbagetruckto--That'sgonnacomedowninnumbers. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6491.12 0.32 Yeah,so. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6491.44 4.96 Youweresaying--I'msurprisedagarbagetruckcan'thandlethehammerhead,though,it'snotbigenough,huh? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6496.40 10.32 Well,it'sgota40footrunway,soifwegotoplanBandtrynotaffectthosepropertyowners,we'restillconfinedtothat40feet,it'snota50footrightaway. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6506.72 3.12 So,Ijustdon'tthinkthey'regonnabeabletomakethatturn. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6510.16 0.80 Couldyou... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6510.96 2.00 Doyouknowhowmanyhomesareonthat? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6513.12 6.80 Howmanyotherpeopleareaffectedbylivingonthatroad,andhavingtopotentiallybe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6520.08 3.44 Seethegarbagetruckgoingupanddownbackwards,or... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6523.60 3.92 Well,ifyou--Say13,1,300feet. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6527.76 7.84 Right,sothere'sprobablyabout20--Yeah,25-26,lotsof--So,wecouldn'taskthemtobringtheirgarbageuptothemainintersection,so. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6535.60 1.36 No.-Youshouldseehowsteepitis. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6536.96 2.56 Yeah,Imean--IknowI'mbeingfacetious. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6539.60 1.12 I'mbeingfacetious. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6540.80 0.80 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6542.00 2.96 Yeah,see,thatjustsounds--It'sabout24,ifIunderstand. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6544.96 0.72 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6545.92 0.72 Whatisittoosmallfor. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6546.72 1.20 Andoneattheend. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6547.92 2.80 So,yeah,actually,Ithinkit'sabout28. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6551.52 0.56 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6552.16 1.84 25,20. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6554.08 5.12 Allright,anythingelseundermiscellaneousthatIknowwe'reinsomepolicecars. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6560.16 16.16 Yeah,oneotheritemthat-Iwantedtobringup,oneofthethingsthatwe'vefailedtoincludeinourbudgetprocess,andbutwethinkweneedtodoit,isthepost-retirementbenefitactuarialstudy. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6576.32 21.20 Oneofthethingswe'rerequiredtoincludeinourfinancialreports,aswellasjustforpurposesofbudgeting,isthetheactuarialvalueofourpostretirementbenefits. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6598.40 5.60 We'veactuallybeenbudgetingmoneyannuallytowardsthis,whichalotofmunicipalitieshaven't. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6604.24 5.76 Butwedoneedtogetanappraisal,oranactuarialstudydoneabouteverytwoyears. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6610.00 1.60 Isittwoyears,orthreeyearswedothem? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6611.60 0.72 It'sthreeyears. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6612.40 5.60 Threeyears,andwe'rerecommendingthatwe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6618.00 6.64 WebeauthorizedtoenterintoanagreementwithMockenhoffAssociates,whodidthelasttwo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6624.64 5.60 Theywerethebestpricethelasttimewelookedatthis,tohavethisdone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6630.24 1.52 It'sabout$5,000,Ithink,isn'tit? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6631.76 0.64 Justunderit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6633.12 0.72 Justunderit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6633.84 0.16 Right. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6636.24 1.52 Weneedamotion. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6638.00 0.56 Yes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6639.36 4.88 Weareauthorizedtodotheevaluation. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6644.88 1.36 Isthereasecond? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6646.96 0.96 I'llsecondit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6647.92 2.00 Okay,wehaveamotionandasecond. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6649.92 1.60 Anyfurtherdiscussion? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6652.08 2.32 Hearingnone,allinfavorofthemotionsayaye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6654.64 0.64 Aye. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6655.36 1.12 Opposed,saynay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6656.64 1.60 Passessix,zero. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6658.72 11.76 ThelastitemIwouldraiseistheseeingifthere'sapossibilityofgettingameetingwithPanndotnextweek,eitheronthe4th,5th,or7th. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6670.48 1.68 The4th,or7thisbestforme. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6673.36 1.20 Metoo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6676.48 2.96 At16:00o'clockintheafternoon. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6679.44 0.16 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6680.56 0.48 The4th. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6681.04 2.56 That'snotrealgoodforme. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6683.60 2.40 Ornotgoodformeeither. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6686.40 5.12 Areeitheroftheothertwobetter,oris--The7th-thetime--The7th. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6691.68 0.72 Thursday. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6692.48 0.56 Thursday. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6693.04 3.44 Thatmightbebetterforme,butthat,Imean,youknow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6696.88 17.68 AslongasMr.Atkinson'shere,I'mhappycauseIknow--It'smoreofameetingtobriefyouonwhat'shappeningwiththeproject,thelikelihoodofitoccurringaswellastoupdateyouonthiswholesituationwiththevariousrequests. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6714.56 0.40 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6715.52 1.04 That'llbe... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6716.64 2.80 Well,scheduleit,andifIcancome,I'llbethere. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6719.52 3.76 YougottabecarefulFrank,theremaybedecimalpointsinvolved,andIwouldfail. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6723.44 1.20 Nah,you'ddookay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6724.64 3.92 Mr.Stiegelneverdidlearntododecimals,Icantellyou,neverdid. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6728.88 2.16 Anyway,I'llbethere,Michael,whenever. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6731.12 1.36 Youtellmewhen. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6733.12 2.96 Wellthen,we'relookingatthe4th,isthatwhatwe're... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6736.32 0.64 That'sfine. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6736.96 1.04 That'sokaybyme. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6738.08 1.68 Anybodyelse-Mr.Ball,howaboutyou,or? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6739.76 1.84 4thisokay,5thisnotgood. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6741.60 0.80 5thisnotgoodeither,so. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6742.40 0.56 March4th. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6742.96 1.92 Mr.Stiegel,wouldyoubeavailable,orareyounotsure? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6744.96 0.96 It'sprettyhardduringthedaytodoanything. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6745.92 0.16 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6746.08 0.96 Youcandoit,Barry,comeon. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6747.04 0.32 Comeon. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6753.12 3.36 Youtellmewhenitis,andI'llseewhatIcando. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6757.28 3.36 Anythingelsethatweneedtotalkaboutundermiscellaneous? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6760.64 4.40 Justtopointoutthere,wedidgettheLSAgrant. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6765.12 1.20 Whatwasthat,250? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6766.32 0.40 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6766.80 1.28 Whatdidweaskfor? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6768.16 4.48 Weaskedfor500,alittleover500,butwebudgetedfor250. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6772.88 13.04 Wedidn'ttellthemthat,butIthink,whathappenedwaswehadaprojectin,MontourTrailhadaprojectin,andtheydecidedokay,500,we'llgivehalftoyou,halftoyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6786.24 3.36 BecauseMontourTrailgotthemforlike,600andsomething. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6789.60 4.40 Okay,doesanybodyhaveanythingforthenextagenda. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6794.32 0.48 Ihad. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6794.88 1.52 Oh,please. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6797.12 5.52 Twothings,youhadmentionedinoneofthepriormeetingsaboutthenewperformancereviewsystem. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6802.64 3.04 AndIdidn'tknowifyou'dbepreparedtotalkaboutthatthen. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6807.28 1.12 Youmeanatthenextmeeting? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6808.40 0.64 Mm-hmm. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6809.04 0.40 Yeah,sure. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6809.52 9.20 Andthen,Iexpectedtohaveanexecutivesession,therewasafollowuptoarequestbychief. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6819.04 6.88 Yeah,Iwasn'tsurewhenweweregonnadothat,butyeah,weneedtodothat,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6825.92 1.84 Mr.Stiegel? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6827.76 4.32 Yeah,sothedraftfirestudy,isthat,that'savailable,canwegetacopyofthat? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6832.56 7.60 Yeah,wewerehopingtogetitmorerefined,butmyunderstandingis,IhavenoproblemgivingittoCouncil. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6843.68 4.08 Itwassupposedtobeaninternalreview,butwecanmakeyoucopiesofit. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6847.76 0.88 Pleasedo. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6849.20 2.64 Iaskedacoupleofweeksagoaboutthat. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6851.84 1.92 Yeah,Iknow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6853.76 1.52 Iknow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6855.36 1.76 Theyhaveitaweekfromnow. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6857.20 2.80 Ifitisn'talready. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6860.40 3.76 Mr.SifronaskedifI. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6865.84 2.08 We'llgetthatelectronically,then? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6868.48 0.72 Imayhave... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6869.20 5.52 Idon'tknowifIcan,ornot,I'llhavetosee,causethewayitwassent,I'mnotsureIcandothatelectronically. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6875.36 2.32 Imayhaveto--Howlonghavetheyhadit,Mike? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6877.76 4.24 Ifwecan-Howlonghavetheyhadit,Mike? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6882.24 1.68 I'mnotsure. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6885.12 4.00 Wegotitaboutaweekago,aweekandahalfago. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6890.00 9.04 We'vebeenbombardingthetownshipwithourflyersontheworkshopthatbeginstomorrow,onthecomprehensiveplan. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6899.44 5.68 Tomorrowevening,79righthereinthecouncilchambersissessionnumberone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6905.52 2.88 Wehopetoseeyouthere,Ithink,weputsomethingsonyourdesk. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6908.40 5.44 We'vebeenemailblastingandthenextone'salldayatthelibrary. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6914.08 6.00 Youcanstopinthereifyoucan,andthenthelastone'srightinhereonThursday,January31. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6920.16 4.00 Whenyousayallday,tellpeoplethatit'sliketwohourssessions. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6924.40 4.72 January30sinthelibrary,publiclibrary,multipurposeroom. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6929.20 11.36 It'saworkshopalldaybeginning9:00AM.There'sa9:00AMto11:00AM,a12:00to14:00,a15:00to17:00,anda19:00to21:00session. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6941.28 1.84 Hopetosee--Andthoseareallthesessions? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6943.12 2.40 Attendanceatallisnotrequired,theycanpickone. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6945.60 0.88 Pickoneofthosetimes. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6946.48 0.40 Correct. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6946.88 0.40 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6947.52 8.64 That'swheretheydothechipgame,wheretheygiveyousomeinstructionsandsomebackground,andthentheywould... Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6956.16 10.00 Theyhavetwodifferentoptionstheycanseehowtheywanttoseethetownshipdevelop,andthentheycanputdownchipsastowheretheywanttoseethingshappen. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6966.16 8.16 Andthat'llbethenlookedatbytheconsultanttocomeupwithscenarios,andwillbediscussedatthefollowingmeeting. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6974.80 5.12 So,tomorrownightassomewhatofanoverviewofwhathasalreadybeencompleted. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6980.16 5.44 Thatpluswe'regonnatalkaboutwhatothercommunitiesarefacing,andhowthey'veresolvedsomeissues. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6985.76 6.24 Wetalkabouttraffic,andwe'lltalkaboutthestatusquogrossscenariofindings. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6992.08 3.84 Andthen,talkaboutwhat'sgonnahappenthefollowingtwodays. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6995.92 2.24 So,what'sThursdayspecifically? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6998.24 0.88 Justfindings. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 6999.20 0.72 Wrapup,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 7000.00 0.72 Results. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 7000.80 0.24 Yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 7001.44 3.28 TheJanuary30sessions. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 7004.80 3.92 Wegotanemailtodayfrom,anditsaidthat,yeah. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 7009.28 0.48 Thankyou. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 7009.76 0.56 Okay. Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 7010.48 1.20 Isthereanythingelse? Peters_Township_Council_-_January_28_2013 1 7012.00 2.00 Meeting'sadjourned.